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| 00:04.36 | Psi | is there a samba package atm or do we need to wait for new kernel before it will support it |
| 00:04.58 | microlith | you can install the CIFS module |
| 00:05.44 | Psi | what about running full samba and having shares over wifi |
| 00:06.22 | crashanddie | Psi: why would you want to do that? |
| 00:06.37 | Psi | im just curious what effect it will have on battery life |
| 00:06.42 | Villiny | crashanddie: watching movies from fileserver? |
| 00:06.47 | Psi | if it doesnt have much effect it would be handy to have |
| 00:06.52 | microlith | if wifi is active it will kill it |
| 00:06.57 | microlith | and that was a horrible sentence |
| 00:07.38 | crashanddie | Villiny: you just need a samba client, not server for that |
| 00:07.38 | Psi | wifi is always active, it just uses 802.11e to sleep and wake up every so often to check for any packets waiting |
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| 00:07.44 | Psi | as i understand it anyway |
| 00:07.47 | Villiny | crashanddie: yeah, my bad |
| 00:08.03 | crashanddie | Psi: so wifi isn't always active, it sleeps |
| 00:08.18 | crashanddie | Psi: having to send packets forth and back continuously would kill it pretty quickly |
| 00:08.45 | microlith | hmm, if that's the max powersave mode, I think I might now know why my router hates it... |
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| 00:10.14 | crashanddie | looks at the netsplit, and starts singing "Getting jiggy with it" by Will Smith |
| 00:10.15 | Psi | microlith: if your router doesnt support 'e' then you wont be able to ping the n900 |
| 00:10.40 | crashanddie | reliably |
| 00:10.40 | Psi | or ssh into it, unless the n900 is doing something over wifi at the time |
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| 00:10.50 | Psi | yeah |
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| 00:12.05 | Psi | i had problems with my wrt54g until i flashed it to the latests firmware |
| 00:12.13 | Psi | now its working sweat, can ping n900 any time |
| 00:12.14 | microlith | Psi: basically, it doesn't work for crap if I have powersave on |
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| 00:12.31 | microlith | and I'm running DD-WRT, which may be part of the issue |
| 00:12.46 | crashanddie | lol... fail |
| 00:13.20 | crashanddie | some website published a story "Improving CT scans to speed up lung cancer" |
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| 00:13.27 | crashanddie | when they meant "Improving CT scans to speed up lung cancer diagnosis" |
| 00:13.48 | Psi | microlith: it will always have slowish ping times when you have the n900 wifi set to max/intermediate power savings |
| 00:13.56 | Psi | ie, 50-150ms |
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| 00:14.07 | microlith | I just turned power savings off |
| 00:14.16 | Psi | i pondered doing that |
| 00:14.16 | microlith | only way it would work |
| 00:14.18 | crashanddie | which is why most people use usb for development :) |
| 00:14.24 | Psi | hows your battery last? |
| 00:14.33 | microlith | dies within 2 hours in that state |
| 00:14.38 | Psi | lol |
| 00:14.40 | microlith | wifi =sucks |
| 00:14.56 | microlith | so if I have to use wifi, I plug it in |
| 00:15.34 | crashanddie | <microlith> so if I have to use wifi, I plug it in <-- hard wired wifi :D |
| 00:15.36 | Psi | if my n900 is charged up and i leave it on the bench when i go to bed the battery graph is still full green when i get up |
| 00:16.09 | microlith | Psi: with wifi active? |
| 00:16.10 | Psi | thats on wifipowerssaving=Max and availability=offline |
| 00:16.34 | Psi | yes, i could ping/ssh it any time during the night if i wanted to |
| 00:16.35 | microlith | at work my wifi works fine with max powersave, but it wouldn't last all day |
| 00:17.01 | microlith | just leaves it on 2.5G all the time anyway |
| 00:17.03 | Psi | availability is the other thing that kills the battery |
| 00:17.18 | microlith | yeah, activity will kill it |
| 00:18.16 | Psi | im sure i saw someone recommending ddwrt for people who were having n900 power saving problems |
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| 00:18.25 | Psi | so i dunno why you are having problems |
| 00:19.16 | SpeedEvil | I did some testing |
| 00:19.47 | SpeedEvil | I got ~80 hours with wifi on, and ssh connected, and logging battery every 5s |
| 00:20.12 | SpeedEvil | but that started at ~90% battery, not 100%, and I used it maybe an hour during that |
| 00:20.21 | SpeedEvil | I suspect close to 100h is hittable |
| 00:20.21 | Psi | sounds about what i would have expected |
| 00:21.32 | Psi | its going to be pretty awesome when the coming battery revolution hits |
| 00:22.06 | Psi | be it supercaps or lithium air or whatever |
| 00:22.21 | SpeedEvil | supercaps are _WAY_OFF_ the density of li-ion |
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| 00:22.38 | SpeedEvil | IIRC the power density is something like 1/50th at the moment |
| 00:22.39 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 00:22.43 | SpeedEvil | energy density I mean |
| 00:22.48 | Psi | yeah, well, unless you believe eestor |
| 00:22.52 | SpeedEvil | power density is comparable |
| 00:23.00 | SpeedEvil | wants to believe. |
| 00:23.02 | Psi | same |
| 00:23.05 | SpeedEvil | It's so beautiful. |
| 00:23.10 | Psi | yep |
| 00:23.15 | SpeedEvil | I want one for my house, one for my car. |
| 00:23.20 | Psi | same |
| 00:23.27 | Villiny | what are these apps such as healtcheck and batterygraph etc etc written in? |
| 00:23.48 | SpeedEvil | various |
| 00:23.53 | SpeedEvil | c/gtk/qt? |
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| 00:23.59 | Psi | had a laugh when i saw that app to show how high you can throw your n900 using accel data |
| 00:24.02 | SpeedEvil | I haven't looked closely |
| 00:25.07 | Villiny | which language would you recommend for the sake of future compatibility? |
| 00:25.11 | Psi | heh, i just got duplicate ping packets back from n900 |
| 00:25.21 | Psi | ping came up with (DUP!) |
| 00:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: language is mostly irrelevant |
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| 00:25.48 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: In that it seems likely it's always going to be possible to use most languages. |
| 00:25.54 | Psi | so which repo has this cifs module? |
| 00:25.56 | Villiny | roger that |
| 00:25.59 | SpeedEvil | You probably want to pick one that plays well with Qt |
| 00:26.02 | Villiny | so... basicly C? |
| 00:26.12 | SpeedEvil | C works, C++, python, ... |
| 00:26.25 | Villiny | i had a look at python and really disliked it |
| 00:26.49 | SpeedEvil | even perl |
| 00:27.32 | Villiny | which would be easiest ? :) |
| 00:27.49 | Kegetys | Python :P |
| 00:27.50 | KMFDM | Psi, http://qole.org/files/cifs/ |
| 00:28.08 | Psi | thanks |
| 00:28.11 | KMFDM | en |
| 00:28.13 | KMFDM | er |
| 00:28.18 | KMFDM | they appear to be in extra-stesting now |
| 00:28.23 | microlith | they are |
| 00:28.25 | KMFDM | and devle now so i would not install via that page |
| 00:28.28 | Psi | ok |
| 00:28.38 | Psi | will get from testing |
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| 00:29.12 | Psi | are they going to try and do anything evil, full up / etc.? |
| 00:29.31 | Villiny | maybe im just stupid then, python just seemed bothersome to read and i had a wee bit of trouble finding any good starting sources |
| 00:29.40 | KMFDM | your call that's why it is called testing, but i have them installed and my phone works |
| 00:29.56 | Psi | thanks |
| 00:30.34 | microlith | No real push to get them into extras, I suppose |
| 00:31.16 | Macer | you have to love a good "high" res vnc viewer on a phone :) |
| 00:31.45 | Psi | yeah |
| 00:36.48 | crashanddie | Villiny: there's a lot of things to like about python |
| 00:37.43 | crashanddie | Villiny: very forgiving language, very easy to re-use or implement CPU-intensive bits in C, good object-oriented architecture, and huge availability of libraries (and cross platform to boot!) |
| 00:37.45 | Villiny | yeah well seems to be the general opinnion... guess i have to take another shot :) |
| 00:38.04 | crashanddie | plus the syntax is *very, very* easy |
| 00:38.20 | Villiny | could you explain in very simplistic steps what it takes to take python and write a program with a gui and have it work on maemo? |
| 00:38.41 | crashanddie | I can do better, I can show you |
| 00:38.49 | Villiny | oh ok? |
| 00:39.38 | crashanddie | this is a very quick/dirty code (first time I used GTK with python) |
| 00:39.39 | crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51090 |
| 00:39.40 | crashanddie | check my last message |
| 00:40.11 | crashanddie | the only file you need to look at is base.py (smsParser.py is the data model, so not of interest for GUI) |
| 00:40.55 | Psi | samba-common is giving install errors, anyone know why |
| 00:42.14 | Villiny | thanks crash :) |
| 00:42.24 | Villiny | seems so messy |
| 00:42.39 | Villiny | the first 30% is clear as pie but then it goes south for me |
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| 00:43.58 | crashanddie | Villiny: well, it is messy, as I said, it's very quick/dirty, i hacked it in about 2 hours, and it's the first time that I used GTK |
| 00:44.13 | crashanddie | Villiny: I have a refactored version, but it's on my N900, so no way to upload on the web |
| 00:44.33 | Villiny | yes, but if i were to do this... is there a basic model that i can use for reference? |
| 00:44.33 | crashanddie | Villiny: starts getting hairy with treeview? |
| 00:44.44 | crashanddie | well, there's the docs |
| 00:44.45 | Villiny | yeah a bit :) |
| 00:45.23 | crashanddie | http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UITutorial/Getting_started |
| 00:45.48 | crashanddie | Other bits of the tutorial: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UITutorial |
| 00:45.51 | Villiny | haven't seen python and NOT been heavily sleep deprived yet... it's 4am here and im crosseyed :) |
| 00:45.59 | Villiny | but im starting to warm up |
| 00:46.02 | Villiny | thanks for the push |
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| 00:46.28 | b-man17 | Villiny: not sleeping tonight? xD |
| 00:47.12 | Villiny | hehe... well im layed off from work this week and i really am bad at keeping the sleeping pattern in check if i don't have anything i HAVE to do |
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| 00:48.22 | MohammadAG_ | Villiny, 4AM? |
| 00:48.30 | MohammadAG_ | assumes he's from Finland |
| 00:48.44 | Villiny | oh, the praise finland for linux irc and n900 didn't do it for you? :) |
| 00:48.50 | b-man17 | only 8:438 PM here :) |
| 00:48.50 | MohammadAG_ | only country I know that has the same timezone as us :) |
| 00:49.01 | b-man17 | *****8:48 pm |
| 00:49.01 | MohammadAG_ | Thu Apr 29 03:49:06 IDT 2010 |
| 00:49.14 | MohammadAG_ | /exec -o date ftw |
| 00:49.21 | Villiny | crashanddie: i got a lot of bookmarks, thanks man |
| 00:49.45 | Ken-Young | We in other countries should pay a tax to Finland, as thanks for Linux. |
| 00:49.56 | MohammadAG_ | hmm, new "Compiling ... " steps when installing fmms |
| 00:50.00 | MohammadAG_ | wonder what that's for |
| 00:50.02 | crashanddie | Villiny: other links that are worth mentionning: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/python_hildon_manual/hildonobjects.html http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo and http://library.gnome.org/devel/pygtk/stable/ and |
| 00:50.07 | b-man17 | MohammadAG_: you don't really need exec -o lol |
| 00:50.25 | MohammadAG_ | b-man17, I need some sleep |
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| 00:50.35 | MohammadAG_ | actually, still early XD |
| 00:50.46 | b-man17 | MohammadAG_: get some! xD |
| 00:51.01 | b-man17 | lol |
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| 00:51.56 | crashanddie | MohammadAG_: ukraine, bulgaria, romania, greece, turkey, estonia... Should I keep going? |
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| 00:52.17 | b-man17 | is going CRAZZY trying to get the n900_wd package working in ubuntu-n9x0.. |
| 00:52.34 | MohammadAG_ | crashanddie, <MohammadAG_> only country I know that has the same timezone as us :) |
| 00:52.46 | b-man17 | i get to a login prompt and it reboots xD |
| 00:52.46 | MohammadAG_ | :) |
| 00:54.26 | MohammadAG_ | <crashanddie> Other bits of the tutorial: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UITutorial |
| 00:54.27 | crashanddie | MohammadAG_: I didn't cite your country? |
| 00:54.33 | MohammadAG_ | something to bookmark :D |
| 00:54.43 | MohammadAG_ | crashanddie, nope :) |
| 00:55.04 | MohammadAG_ | Not from the EU btw |
| 00:55.04 | crashanddie | cyprus? |
| 00:55.16 | crashanddie | latvia? |
| 00:55.18 | MohammadAG_ | think to the bottom right |
| 00:55.27 | crashanddie | moldava? |
| 00:55.30 | MohammadAG_ | south east of those |
| 00:55.39 | crashanddie | lithuania? |
| 00:55.44 | crashanddie | belarus? |
| 00:56.00 | MohammadAG_ | LOL |
| 00:56.04 | MohammadAG_ | I said south not north |
| 00:56.29 | crashanddie | hey, I'm in Australia, my north is your south :P |
| 00:56.33 | MohammadAG_ | don't look at my IP |
| 00:56.39 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 00:56.49 | crashanddie | aha, your IP! |
| 00:56.54 | MohammadAG_ | crashanddie, just a hint <MohammadAG_> Not from the EU btw |
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| 00:57.29 | crashanddie | aargh! |
| 00:57.32 | crashanddie | you had a banned ipad! |
| 00:57.43 | MohammadAG_ | ban was lifted :( |
| 00:57.51 | MohammadAG_ | I guess you did look at my IP ;) |
| 00:57.55 | crashanddie | that's a good thing! |
| 00:58.12 | MohammadAG_ | the ban thing? hell no |
| 00:58.14 | MohammadAG_ | I liked it |
| 00:58.26 | MohammadAG_ | less Apple fans in IL |
| 00:59.09 | MohammadAG_ | OrangeBox was banned, when was that rofl |
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| 01:00.34 | b-man17 | i think OrangeBox was one of the biggest trolls in maemo history xDD |
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| 01:01.08 | Villiny | maemo sdk... i can use maemo apps on desktop? |
| 01:01.20 | MohammadAG_ | yes |
| 01:01.29 | MohammadAG_ | well, any linux app for that matter |
| 01:01.50 | b-man17 | and not completely not directly - you still need a nested xserver |
| 01:02.05 | Villiny | nice :9 |
| 01:02.17 | MohammadAG_ | Xephyr-server handles that |
| 01:02.20 | b-man17 | needs coffee xD |
| 01:02.24 | MohammadAG_ | s/X/x |
| 01:02.57 | MohammadAG_ | "HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion" |
| 01:02.58 | b-man17 | s/n/c |
| 01:03.05 | MohammadAG_ | why didn't Oprah buy it XD |
| 01:03.12 | MohammadAG_ | or good ol' bill G |
| 01:03.47 | Villiny | hmmm, on a linux based system - id rather use my main desktop even though i have several unix boxes around |
| 01:03.51 | b-man17 | microsoft would never buy a linux-based os xD |
| 01:04.04 | MohammadAG_ | it's not linux based afaik |
| 01:04.12 | MohammadAG_ | Unix maybe, but surely not linux(?) |
| 01:04.19 | b-man17 | WebOS is linux-based :P |
| 01:04.33 | b-man17 | it uses a linux base system and kernel |
| 01:04.35 | MohammadAG_ | Palm webOS is a mobile operating system running on the Linux kernel with proprietary components developed by Palm. |
| 01:04.43 | MohammadAG_ | meh |
| 01:04.45 | MohammadAG_ | failed |
| 01:04.52 | Villiny | well good for palm |
| 01:06.18 | Villiny | chrome os? |
| 01:06.25 | Villiny | thats news to me |
| 01:06.25 | b-man17 | would like to see a WebOS tablet :) |
| 01:07.18 | SpeedEvil | passes b-man17 a javascript JIT engine. |
| 01:07.43 | b-man17 | Ejscript ;) |
| 01:08.19 | b-man17 | http://www.ejscript.org/ :D |
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| 01:09.02 | SpeedEvil | Clearly the rational solution is a javascript sandbox for apps. |
| 01:09.06 | MohammadAG_ | the iPad costs 260 bucks to make? |
| 01:09.14 | SpeedEvil | http://matt.west.co.tt/spectrum/jsspeccy/ |
| 01:09.17 | SpeedEvil | is a proof of concept |
| 01:09.22 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: sounds a bit high |
| 01:09.36 | MohammadAG_ | lmfao |
| 01:10.00 | b-man17 | SpeedEvil: awesome - saw that earlier today :D |
| 01:10.20 | b-man17 | SpeedEvil: have you tried JSNES? |
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| 01:10.27 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 01:10.47 | b-man17 | http://benfirshman.com/projects/jsnes/ :) |
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| 01:28.42 | Psi | hm.. any ideas where this dpkg error is coming from http://pastebin.com/KMNWXj8m |
| 01:30.23 | microlith | Psi: where'd you get the samba package from? |
| 01:30.34 | Psi | testing |
| 01:30.42 | Psi | installed it by accident |
| 01:31.16 | Psi | now i cant remove it |
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| 01:33.28 | Psi | it didnt install properly either, which is probably why it doesnt want to uninstall |
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| 01:39.50 | MohammadAG_ | Psi, reinstall and uninstall |
| 01:39.53 | MohammadAG_ | I'm off |
| 01:43.57 | Psi | no luck |
| 01:44.36 | Macer | wow |
| 01:44.42 | Macer | those cam LEDs are bright |
| 01:44.49 | Macer | i just used the flashlight app :) |
| 01:45.01 | Macer | i think the space station received my message |
| 01:45.07 | Psi | heh |
| 01:45.22 | SpeedEvil | 20 lux@1m IIRC when I measured it |
| 01:45.59 | SpeedEvil | They are as bright as the sun! (at 1.3cm) |
| 01:46.13 | Macer | haha |
| 01:46.38 | Macer | LEDs don't burn out do they? |
| 01:46.51 | Psi | only if they overheat |
| 01:47.35 | Macer | the flashlight app for my G1 was just some thing that made a bright white screen |
| 01:47.38 | Macer | :) |
| 01:47.50 | Macer | what made it so bad is that there was an update for that |
| 01:47.58 | Macer | as if something like that can be improved upon haha |
| 01:48.05 | Psi | heh |
| 01:48.13 | Macer | "now more white" |
| 01:48.14 | Macer | haha |
| 01:49.50 | crashanddie | Macer: liqbase has had that torchlight feature for quite a while |
| 01:49.51 | Macer | damnit. i keep forgetting to call tmob and see if i can get a duplicate sim |
| 01:50.04 | crashanddie | Macer: also, maybe they were at 255, 255, 255, 128 |
| 01:50.13 | crashanddie | (half alpha-channel :P) |
| 01:50.19 | Macer | torchlight featuer? |
| 01:50.28 | crashanddie | Macer: aye |
| 01:50.34 | Macer | uhm? |
| 01:50.39 | crashanddie | Macer: just search for liqtorch in the repo |
| 01:50.42 | Macer | does that make fire shoot out my n900? |
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| 01:51.05 | Macer | i saw it but i didn't know what it was or if it was something i woudl actually use |
| 01:51.17 | lcuk | crashanddie, liqtorch had a bug |
| 01:51.22 | lcuk | it was released with grey screen |
| 01:51.22 | Macer | i'm still waiting on the liq based desktop :P |
| 01:51.28 | lcuk | wazd noticed it *facepalm* |
| 01:51.37 | crashanddie | see |
| 01:51.37 | lcuk | Macer, thats been around for yonks |
| 01:51.41 | crashanddie | so don't slam the android app |
| 01:51.48 | Macer | lcuk: make liq widgets |
| 01:51.53 | Macer | crashanddie: haha |
| 01:52.06 | crashanddie | liqjet |
| 01:52.12 | lcuk | Macer, been there from the start |
| 01:52.24 | lcuk | every liq* component is a standalone app AND an embeddable widget |
| 01:52.24 | Macer | crashanddie: make a liq clock widget ;) |
| 01:52.30 | Macer | that rotates |
| 01:52.48 | SpeedEvil | I like flipclock |
| 01:52.50 | lcuk | Macer, have you seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q |
| 01:52.50 | SpeedEvil | it's quality |
| 01:52.58 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, flipclock is awesome |
| 01:53.16 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: "it's quality!" or "its quality"? |
| 01:54.43 | SpeedEvil | i want some way to use it as a screensaver if it's plugged in |
| 01:55.03 | crashanddie | "A man who thought he was sailing along the coast of southern England had to be rescued by emergency services after his motor boat ran out of fuel while repeatedly circling a small island in the River Thames estuary." |
| 01:55.31 | SpeedEvil | or more accurately, if it's plugged in, and at the right angle to be on the stand |
| 01:56.06 | crashanddie | lcuk: you should be sleeping mate |
| 01:56.07 | crashanddie | lcuk: gtfo |
| 01:57.00 | lcuk | i was asleep |
| 01:57.05 | lcuk | fishy screensaver bugged me |
| 02:05.00 | Macer | huh? |
| 02:05.01 | Macer | sorry |
| 02:05.05 | Macer | was talking to an ex |
| 02:06.29 | Macer | lcuk: yeah |
| 02:06.30 | Macer | i saw that |
| 02:06.39 | Macer | now make a clock widget that does that for reals.. not stick figures :) haha |
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| 02:19.39 | Macer | lcuk: i'm a little confused |
| 02:20.11 | Macer | is there a goal to your liq apps? :) like is liq going to be integrated into maemo by default for actual use so you can make useful apps or is it just more of a hobbyist thing? |
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| 02:48.17 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 02:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | eerk, moin |
| 02:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | roundaout noon in HK |
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| 03:16.28 | Psi | ok so ive got the cifs module and ntfs modules installed, what package do i need for mount.cifs ? i cant seem to find a package containing it |
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| 03:21.33 | Psi | nevermind, the one in the qole.org folder that KMFDM posted before works fine |
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| 03:40.39 | wazd_e63 | Moaning maemo :) |
| 03:41.56 | Stskeeps | morning wazd |
| 03:41.57 | chark2904 | echo |
| 03:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | c ho ho o |
| 03:43.16 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: already awake? :) |
| 03:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | since an hour :-S |
| 03:43.52 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: driving to denmark |
| 03:44.01 | Stskeeps | left at 4am my time |
| 03:44.12 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: omg :( |
| 03:45.10 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: and I have 2 more hours of my awful trip to spb :) |
| 03:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: enjoy your day. tomorrow ot seems we get a rainy europe |
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| 03:48.01 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i will get the full danish experience too |
| 03:48.12 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: any special reason for spb trip? |
| 03:49.16 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: well, I'm heading to Fruct seminar to meet Jeremiah and Hopbeat mostly :) |
| 03:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 03:50.22 | infobot | [xyawn] nap |
| 03:50.22 | Stskeeps | ah - say hi |
| 03:50.37 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: sure :) |
| 03:52.20 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: also I want to hear myself how could live wallpapers possibly lose the contest |
| 03:52.50 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: cause Tatyana is really upset bout that |
| 03:53.03 | dmj726 | hi parasight |
| 03:53.33 | crashanddie | lol |
| 03:54.03 | crashanddie | Nokia survey: "Do you use the on-screen keyboard?" "No" "You have indicated that you use the on-screen keyboard, how would you rate..." |
| 03:54.38 | Psi | haha |
| 03:54.46 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: "let's imagine you are" :) |
| 03:56.46 | dmj726 | parasight: congrats on gsoc! I'm doing the page reader app. |
| 03:57.08 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: :nod: i dislike competitions myself, doesn't tell enough about your level |
| 03:57.19 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: you're driving and IRCing at the same time? |
| 03:58.14 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: "how would you rate IRC'ing while driving on n900" :D |
| 03:58.34 | dmj726 | maneuvers his car away from Stskeeps. |
| 03:58.43 | dmj726 | :P |
| 03:58.50 | Psi | is there a way to swap the hardware kbd's blue keys for Z and C with other characters? Would be quite useful to have ~ and | instead, as i doubt ill ever use the current ones |
| 03:59.34 | wazd_e63 | Psi: there is layout editor for n900 as I recall |
| 03:59.45 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: and collecting points for running over people in this game i have on my n900, interfacing with airbag sensors |
| 04:01.15 | luke-jr | yay, I'm not the only one here who uses his NIT while driving! |
| 04:01.22 | Stskeeps | (my wife is driving) |
| 04:02.14 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: the best game for you is "Karmageddon" :D |
| 04:02.19 | luke-jr | oh, boo |
| 04:02.53 | crashanddie | "Here is a list of various statements. Please indicate for each one how much you agree or disagree. 1 = strongly disagree - 4 = strongly agree" |
| 04:03.07 | crashanddie | and the rating bars go from 0 to 4 |
| 04:03.12 | crashanddie | so 0 is "infinitely disagree"? |
| 04:03.51 | squidd | id suppose 0 is like "i dont know" |
| 04:03.52 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: 0 = "lolwut?" |
| 04:03.59 | Stskeeps | 0 is "you have to pay me for my opinion" |
| 04:04.39 | crashanddie | they should've spent less time on the design, and more on the function |
| 04:05.53 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: I think they just need to spend more time on function :) Cause design was made by different people :) |
| 04:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: work therapy for the volunteers |
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| 04:08.14 | Psi | crosses fingers and installs mc from extras-devel |
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| 04:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | what, you're bored. Go make a survey on the web! And bring me a coffee |
| 04:08.52 | crashanddie | "Holding this device and looking at it feels enjoyable. " |
| 04:09.07 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: sick |
| 04:09.07 | Psi | heh |
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| 04:09.22 | crashanddie | I cum everytime my eyes flutter across the room and the gods bless me with being allowed to watch it once more |
| 04:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | sacry to think they might actually base future designs on those results |
| 04:11.57 | crashanddie | http://maemo.nokia.com/survey//assets/images/header-userprofile.png |
| 04:12.03 | crashanddie | who the hell has kurt cobain as a profile picture? |
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| 04:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | why not? :-P |
| 04:12.44 | crashanddie | User: I would have fewer friends if I did not have a mobile phone |
| 04:12.49 | crashanddie | What kind of statement is that? |
| 04:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | LOOOL |
| 04:13.05 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: the problem is not so much in level showcase, but in really biased results. Python alarmclock, seriously |
| 04:13.40 | crashanddie | "I spend more and more time taking care of myself, in order to feel good" |
| 04:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | now you're kidding |
| 04:14.00 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: sick^2 |
| 04:14.13 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: well, that was my personal opinion of competitions :) |
| 04:14.34 | slonopotamus | morning |
| 04:14.34 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: I'd ask bout that nokia today :D |
| 04:14.50 | crashanddie | OK, now it's getting ridiculous |
| 04:14.55 | crashanddie | Here is a list of activities. For each one, please indicate how often you engage in it: |
| 04:15.00 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: how much they care bout themselves in order to feel good :D |
| 04:15.07 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.10 | wazd_e63 | Slonopotamus: heya |
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| 04:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you errandly switched from Nokia.com to noksnes-anonymous.org? |
| 04:15.59 | crashanddie | option a: "Everyday, or nearly 1-3 times a week" option b: "1-3 times a week", option c: "1-3 times a month" option d:"less often" option e: "never" |
| 04:16.50 | crashanddie | what happens if you're between 12 times a month, and 3 times a month? |
| 04:16.56 | crashanddie | that's a massive gap |
| 04:17.15 | crashanddie | especially, when you compare the gap between "nearly 1-3 times a week" and "1-3 times a week" |
| 04:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 04:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, this is the result of finding a task for bored volunteers |
| 04:18.36 | wazd_e63 | The main question is "how the hell this is connected with n900" :) |
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| 04:19.08 | wazd_e63 | "how often do you brush your teeth?" |
| 04:19.23 | crashanddie | Well, actually it helps trending the phone... |
| 04:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | your granny been schizoid? |
| 04:19.56 | crashanddie | If everyone who completes the survey says they play video games on a daily basis, and never go out with friends... |
| 04:20.00 | crashanddie | they know they've hit the geek market |
| 04:20.07 | wazd_e63 | Docscrutinizer: tell us more bout your relationships in school |
| 04:20.19 | crashanddie | Additional remarks: "Please define the word "friends"" |
| 04:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | yay, not it starts to get silly |
| 04:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | now* |
| 04:20.49 | Stskeeps | 'my facebook friends' |
| 04:20.58 | crashanddie | Nha, that was my comment :P |
| 04:20.59 | crashanddie | For geeks |
| 04:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 04:21.07 | wazd_e63 | My imagined friends |
| 04:21.16 | wazd_e63 | Aw :( |
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| 04:21.38 | crashanddie | I'd love to hack the system |
| 04:21.46 | crashanddie | and just put questions like "How often do you have your period?" |
| 04:21.51 | crashanddie | "Have you been late recently?" |
| 04:22.08 | crashanddie | "How many sexual partners do you have currently?" |
| 04:22.25 | crashanddie | "Do you believe that the N900 is increasing your sexual performance or appetite?" |
| 04:23.09 | crashanddie | "If you had to choose between snog, screw, mary, what would you select for Quim Gil?" |
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| 04:23.33 | crashanddie | yay DarwinSurvivor! |
| 04:23.43 | crashanddie | DarwinSurvivor: is that the OS or the city? |
| 04:24.06 | DarwinSurvivor | uhhh, actually a reference to Charles Darwin's theory.... |
| 04:24.18 | luke-jr | ... that was obvious -.- |
| 04:24.20 | DarwinSurvivor | or did i just get whooshed? |
| 04:24.22 | luke-jr | crashanddie: go to bed |
| 04:24.32 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: fail :) |
| 04:24.43 | crashanddie | I wooshed the whole channel apparently |
| 04:24.46 | DarwinSurvivor | is confused |
| 04:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | Boss: "I want to know exactly who our customers are, do they like the N900, do they have friends, what do they do for leissure time" - - CR-dude: .oO('I'll give you 'Who they are') Volunteers, here's a job for you! |
| 04:24.56 | luke-jr | DarwinSurvivor: crashanddie is acting manic or something |
| 04:25.03 | crashanddie | I am? |
| 04:25.04 | DarwinSurvivor | ok |
| 04:25.11 | luke-jr | DarwinSurvivor: before you joined, he was talking about the N900 affecting sexual performance... |
| 04:25.23 | DarwinSurvivor | uh huh |
| 04:25.39 | Stskeeps | i would say crashanddie 's just crashanddie :P |
| 04:25.45 | DarwinSurvivor | oh yeah, i've been sleeping/waking my laptop, guess i've signed in/out a *few* times :P |
| 04:26.01 | crashanddie | No, I was talking about how I would like to screw with people taking the Nokia survey |
| 04:26.12 | luke-jr | crashanddie: the thought entered your mind |
| 04:26.14 | crashanddie | luke-jr: please don't misquote |
| 04:26.15 | luke-jr | that alone is enough |
| 04:26.25 | luke-jr | I didn't quote |
| 04:26.28 | luke-jr | I just mentioned the topic :P |
| 04:26.33 | crashanddie | there's a lot more entering my mind |
| 04:26.47 | crashanddie | Be happy those others things aren't being transferred onto IRC |
| 04:26.52 | luke-jr | [23:22:25] <crashanddie> "Do you believe that the N900 is increasing your sexual performance or appetite?" |
| 04:26.56 | luke-jr | that's a quote |
| 04:27.06 | crashanddie | yes, and notice my quotes in that quote ;) |
| 04:27.12 | luke-jr | double quoted! |
| 04:27.14 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 04:27.27 | crashanddie | [] <--- get out |
| 04:27.36 | luke-jr | ..... |
| 04:27.53 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: btw: pizza |
| 04:27.53 | crashanddie | ~... |
| 04:27.54 | infobot | [... = and your point is] or [... = go on] |
| 04:28.11 | crashanddie | ~..... |
| 04:28.11 | infobot | i heard .... is a bong! Filled with one kg! |
| 04:28.16 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 04:28.19 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: i wish |
| 04:28.20 | slonopotamus | o_O |
| 04:28.22 | crashanddie | ~-.- |
| 04:28.36 | slonopotamus | ~o_O |
| 04:28.37 | infobot | from memory, o_o is some fucking creepy-arse eyes. o_O O_o |
| 04:28.42 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 04:28.45 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 04:28.47 | wazd_e63 | ]_[ |
| 04:28.50 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 04:28.53 | Macer | does the n900 actually have an ir transmitter? |
| 04:28.58 | crashanddie | yes |
| 04:29.06 | Macer | i'm trying to figure out how to program this thing as an MCE remote :) |
| 04:29.09 | Macer | that woudl be awesome |
| 04:29.13 | crashanddie | no receiver though |
| 04:29.22 | luke-jr | crashanddie: why not? |
| 04:29.34 | Macer | that's fine.. if i can use it as a remote that was more than i would actually use it for haha |
| 04:29.36 | crashanddie | lolwut? |
| 04:29.44 | Macer | never knwo when you are going to lose a rmote |
| 04:29.46 | Macer | remote |
| 04:29.46 | crashanddie | luke-jr: wut? |
| 04:29.48 | luke-jr | Macer: without a receiver, you need to manually enter the codes |
| 04:29.59 | Macer | luke-jr: they have databases |
| 04:30.03 | luke-jr | Macer: good for them |
| 04:30.05 | luke-jr | I don't |
| 04:30.06 | luke-jr | :p |
| 04:30.10 | Macer | heh |
| 04:30.22 | Macer | it downloads straight into it |
| 04:30.26 | luke-jr | crashanddie: pizza |
| 04:30.27 | Macer | you can just download remote types |
| 04:30.35 | wazd_e63 | Macer: without the receiver you need to manualy change bits in the processor |
| 04:30.46 | wazd_e63 | Macer: with screwdriver :D |
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| 04:30.53 | Macer | wazd_e63: haa |
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| 04:31.20 | Macer | i am just trying to get it to send ir codes in the form of an MCE remote |
| 04:31.23 | Macer | that would be nice |
| 04:31.24 | wazd_e63 | But I still wonder why no receiver |
| 04:31.27 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: having fun flooding? |
| 04:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 04:31.49 | luke-jr | if it had a receiver, you could link with GameBoy Color |
| 04:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not the one who wrote the IRC RFC |
| 04:32.04 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: IRC RFC works fine |
| 04:32.19 | luke-jr | also, FreeNode doesn't comply with it |
| 04:32.27 | wazd_e63 | Luke-jr: and it would be, like, 2 cents more expensive |
| 04:32.28 | luke-jr | neither do you |
| 04:32.53 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: the RFC says nicknames are limited to 11 characters. COMPLY |
| 04:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | Well, I really hope *I* do NOT comply with IRC RFC |
| 04:34.22 | Macer | am i like supposed to turn the ir on or something? :) |
| 04:34.30 | luke-jr | Macer: yes |
| 04:34.37 | luke-jr | and drain your battery |
| 04:34.42 | Macer | qtirreco doesn't seem to be working |
| 04:34.47 | Macer | luke-jr: that's fine |
| 04:34.54 | Macer | just for testing purposes i can deal with a draining battery |
| 04:35.02 | luke-jr | qt ir reco suggests it's for recording |
| 04:35.06 | luke-jr | which requires a receiver |
| 04:35.08 | luke-jr | which N900 lacks |
| 04:35.10 | luke-jr | so you fail |
| 04:35.24 | luke-jr | glares |
| 04:35.53 | Macer | oh? |
| 04:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | wazd_e63: not exactly 2ct. But yes, they *could* have added a receiver |
| 04:36.04 | wazd_e63 | Daaaamn, one more hour of boring trip |
| 04:36.04 | wazd_e63 | Entertain me :) |
| 04:36.04 | Macer | i just figured you used it as an actual remote |
| 04:36.11 | Macer | since it has downloadable remotes already |
| 04:36.19 | luke-jr | wazd_e63: pizza |
| 04:36.22 | Macer | i'm trying an xbox360 using my ms pc receiver |
| 04:36.35 | wazd_e63 | Luke-jr: aaaaaaww |
| 04:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | wazd_e63: google for cheap IrDA dongles! |
| 04:36.56 | Psi | Macer: yeah, i had the same thing happen, qtirreco just stopped working for no reason |
| 04:36.57 | luke-jr | wazd_e63: next time use a teleporter |
| 04:36.58 | wazd_e63 | Docscrutinizer: well, ok, 3 ct. :) |
| 04:37.24 | Psi | scope says its outputting some IR, but its very weak and not anything like a remote code |
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| 04:37.33 | luke-jr | wazd_e63: that's $30k if they sell a million |
| 04:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | wazd_e63: more like 50 - which results in +2bucks on the sales price of the device |
| 04:38.19 | Macer | Psi: that sucks |
| 04:38.19 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it should result in +50c on the sale price :p |
| 04:38.20 | Macer | ah well |
| 04:38.25 | Macer | was one of those things anyways ;) |
| 04:38.27 | wazd_e63 | Luke-jr: well, I wanted to fly to spb, but getting from airport to the city is a really horrible experience |
| 04:38.33 | Macer | like.. remote is across teh room but i have my phone |
| 04:38.34 | Macer | haha |
| 04:38.39 | luke-jr | anyhow, I suspect neither of you are factoring in R&D required to integrate it |
| 04:38.40 | Stskeeps | Macer: there's some irrecco thing |
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| 04:38.48 | Psi | Macer: yeah, im not sure whats going on |
| 04:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nope. You have a factor of ~*2.5..4 between BOM and sales |
| 04:39.25 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I call that scamming |
| 04:39.51 | wazd_e63 | Docscrutinizer: 2 bucks? Ohmygod, it would become 1002! :( |
| 04:39.58 | wazd_e63 | Docscrutinizer: screw that then :) |
| 04:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | I call that overhead for handling, QA, R&D etc |
| 04:40.07 | Macer | Stskeeps: ? |
| 04:40.13 | Macer | some irrecco thing? |
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| 04:40.31 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: adding IR doesn't affect handling, at least :P |
| 04:40.33 | Macer | i'm jjust uninstalling it heh |
| 04:40.33 | crashanddie | YAY o/ GeneralAntilles |
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| 04:40.40 | Stskeeps | wb gan |
| 04:40.48 | GeneralAntilles | off in Windows 7 land playing SCII |
| 04:40.52 | wazd_e63 | Hello gan |
| 04:41.04 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: how dare thee |
| 04:41.09 | microlith | don't zerg us |
| 04:41.13 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: any good? |
| 04:41.23 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, fairly good. |
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| 04:41.34 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: why not play it on your mac? |
| 04:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I lost all of my RTS skills a while ago, though. |
| 04:41.37 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: AI is too smart :) |
| 04:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: sorry I'm not fully awake, so not much humor (if I ever got any) - handling of the additional sourcing, the incrrased nr of components etc pp |
| 04:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, beta for Mac is coming next week, apparently. |
| 04:41.52 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: you should be korean to win :) |
| 04:42.03 | crashanddie | StarCraft 2 beta Mac client out nowâ - Joystiq (blog) |
| 04:42.09 | luke-jr | fail |
| 04:42.14 | luke-jr | glob2 ftw |
| 04:42.25 | Macer | hm |
| 04:42.26 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/29/starcraft-2-beta-mac-client-out-now/ |
| 04:42.37 | Macer | trying to find out how to stop the cam from opening when i open the lens |
| 04:42.38 | luke-jr | anyone ported glob2 to N900? :P |
| 04:42.43 | Macer | i know i saw it somewhere |
| 04:42.54 | luke-jr | Macer: rm /usr/bin/camera ? |
| 04:43.08 | crashanddie | Macer: big-ass magnet |
| 04:43.16 | Macer | crashanddie: haha |
| 04:43.21 | Macer | luke-jr: uhm no |
| 04:43.23 | Psi | anyone happen to know the xkb symbol name for tilde? |
| 04:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, well, shit. |
| 04:43.29 | Macer | luke-jr: did you get an n900 yet? |
| 04:43.36 | luke-jr | Macer: dunno, did you order one for me? |
| 04:43.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray, qgil! |
| 04:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632566#post632566 |
| 04:44.06 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: don't tell me you bought win7 to play SC2 |
| 04:44.09 | Macer | heh. it's ok. i know that lawyer is probably costing quite a bit.. i've been there |
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| 04:44.19 | Macer | anyways. let me keep looking.. i know i saw it somewhere :) |
| 04:44.49 | luke-jr | Macer: I only have to pay the filing fee :) |
| 04:45.03 | Macer | hah |
| 04:45.09 | Macer | we'll see |
| 04:45.10 | GeneralAntilles | Shit, the Mac beta gained about 1.2GB. |
| 04:45.16 | Macer | wait until she gets nasty |
| 04:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | and Blizzard's downloader is just as slow as ever. |
| 04:45.20 | RST38h | "HP set to acquire Palm in $1.2 billion deal" |
| 04:45.27 | luke-jr | Macer: my wife is onboard for the ride |
| 04:45.34 | Macer | and you start tugging at kids' arms |
| 04:45.39 | RST38h | Good, good, that will be the karmic punishment for destroying DIGITAL =) |
| 04:45.42 | Macer | and she starts thinking about surviving off child support :) |
| 04:45.47 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: [:/\/\:] |
| 04:45.48 | Macer | anyways.. i have to find this setting |
| 04:45.50 | Macer | it has to be somewhere |
| 04:45.51 | luke-jr | Macer: she couldn't get child support. I have full custody. |
| 04:45.55 | RST38h | wazd: reHeya |
| 04:45.56 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, who would pay $1.2 billion for Palm? |
| 04:45.58 | luke-jr | if anyone got child support, it'd be me |
| 04:45.59 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: morning :) |
| 04:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | (aside from HP) |
| 04:46.01 | Macer | liar |
| 04:46.09 | RST38h | General: Well....true :) |
| 04:46.20 | luke-jr | ok, full minus her supervised visitation |
| 04:46.47 | wazd_e63 | GeneralAntilles: sony? :) |
| 04:47.58 | rm_you | oh, I think the n900 quim shipped me 30 days ago finally got here |
| 04:48.04 | RST38h | kinda hoped Lenovo would swallow Palm and then belly up, but the post-Fiorina HP should be good enough |
| 04:48.11 | luke-jr | Quim is sending people N900s?? |
| 04:48.20 | rm_you | it was a replacement |
| 04:48.38 | luke-jr | aww |
| 04:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, at 11:49 PM? |
| 04:49.52 | Psi | ok, its working now, if anyone else wants to swap the keys 'sterling' and 'eurosign' for tilde and bar the correct names are asciitilde and bar |
| 04:50.25 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: no, at like noon today |
| 04:50.26 | Psi | in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 file |
| 04:50.27 | rm_you | but i was asleep |
| 04:50.29 | rm_you | so i missed it |
| 04:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 04:50.35 | rm_you | redelivering tomorrow |
| 04:50.46 | rm_you | yep that was it |
| 04:50.51 | rm_you | looked up the tracking number on the slip they left |
| 04:50.52 | GeneralAntilles | got a case of wine today, the UPS driver carded me. :( |
| 04:51.00 | rm_you | Wednesday, April 28, 2010 at 13:00 |
| 04:51.01 | rm_you | Helsinki - Finland - San Antonio, TX - USA |
| 04:51.05 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:51.17 | rm_you | LOL so i guess emailing him was good |
| 04:51.18 | rm_you | cause |
| 04:51.24 | rm_you | they shipped it out two days ago |
| 04:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, fricken told you. :P |
| 04:51.33 | rm_you | not last month |
| 04:51.34 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:51.36 | rm_you | yeah lolol |
| 04:51.42 | rm_you | wonder what happened |
| 04:51.54 | luke-jr | it was pizza |
| 04:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, I had to get him to bring me my Fixed in Fremantle shirt in person |
| 04:52.02 | luke-jr | pizza distracted them |
| 04:52.05 | GeneralAntilles | I think Quim is just afraid of the post office. |
| 04:52.24 | luke-jr | doesn't even know where the post office is |
| 04:52.40 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:52.55 | crashanddie | The last post office I was at is quite a few miles away from me |
| 04:53.37 | rm_you | he said, quote, "I forwarded your details and one replacement device to [ |
| 04:53.37 | rm_you | our assistant]. I'm not the bottleneck anymore!" on the 25th of last month :P |
| 04:53.50 | rm_you | err, weird linebreak |
| 04:53.53 | wazd_e63 | the only t-shirt I have is "penguins" one) |
| 04:54.07 | rm_you | so soon i will actually be able to test |
| 04:54.27 | rm_you | right now still looking at getting Quasar running on Maemo5, inbetween job interviews |
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| 04:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | wazd_e63, weird one. |
| 04:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | I'm slowly increasing my collection. |
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| 04:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | The "Fork You" shirt Chris DiBona nearly hit me in the head with is more of a battle trophy. :P |
| 04:58.32 | Stskeeps | i wonder how quickly we see a n1 meego port |
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| 04:59.29 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: you mean n8? :) |
| 04:59.54 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: or you know what we don't know? :) |
| 05:00.51 | Stskeeps | nexus one |
| 05:01.21 | wazd_e63 | GeneralAntilles: well, at least it has big-ass "MAEMO" label on it :) |
| 05:01.24 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: aaahh |
| 05:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, soon! So I don't have to sell it. |
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| 05:05.02 | RST38h | wazd: http://echo.msk.ru/news/675512-echo.html |
| 05:05.11 | RST38h | rotfls slightly |
| 05:06.38 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: well, it seems reasonable in russia |
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| 05:07.10 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: but AOL is celebrating heavily I'm sure |
| 05:07.19 | RST38h | wazd: Yep. Exactly. |
| 05:07.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | freggles - I seem to have to install a clean system. Since this brick came retour from repair service, xchat ping-timeouts every 5 minutes |
| 05:07.44 | wazd_e63 | rst38h: pool diving, naked chicks, schamp :D |
| 05:07.57 | crashanddie | RST38h: that's a seriously crap website |
| 05:08.11 | RST38h | wazd: money pool diving! |
| 05:08.22 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: yep :) |
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| 05:09.32 | RST38h | In related news: "Because of Kerner's alleged sexual activities with other men and animals, the informant, who had dated the woman, and his Jack Russell terrier both contracted sexually transmitted diseases" |
| 05:09.33 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: agent@mail.ru is kinda popular service btw :) |
| 05:09.40 | rm_you | RST38h: thank god for google chrome's autotranslate <_< |
| 05:09.56 | rm_you | i liked ICQ <_< |
| 05:09.59 | rm_you | then AOL took it over |
| 05:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | nooooo |
| 05:10.07 | RST38h | wazd: no way I am using that one though |
| 05:10.09 | rm_you | how will that work now? since the aol/icq accounts are merged |
| 05:10.19 | rm_you | also, ICQ is entirely russian spammers already |
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| 05:10.23 | RST38h | rm_you: accounts will become unmerged I guess :) |
| 05:10.24 | rm_you | i guess russia can have it |
| 05:10.25 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: well, we're geeks :) |
| 05:10.37 | crashanddie | ICQ used to be seriously fun |
| 05:10.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | that SUCKS |
| 05:10.50 | crashanddie | It was the first IM system i ever used (well, not-counting IRC) |
| 05:10.56 | rm_you | when i sign onto ICQ i get more russian spam in a day than i get legitimate messages in a year |
| 05:10.57 | RST38h | rm_you: I never had an AOL account, just an ICQ one |
| 05:11.07 | RST38h | rm_you: Never used their absolutely horrible client either |
| 05:11.08 | rm_you | yeah, iCQ was my first IM |
| 05:11.10 | rm_you | back YEARS ago |
| 05:11.14 | rm_you | i loved their horrible client :P |
| 05:11.20 | crashanddie | though the number system as username was horrible |
| 05:11.23 | rm_you | i think 13 years ago i started using it |
| 05:11.26 | rm_you | my ICQ is 10902120 |
| 05:11.28 | crashanddie | and the "oh-oh" when you got a new message :P |
| 05:11.30 | rm_you | if that means anything to anyone |
| 05:11.36 | rm_you | still remember it |
| 05:11.44 | RST38h | wazd: mail.ru will sell your email account password to the highest bidder =) |
| 05:11.44 | Trizt | start icq spamming |
| 05:12.03 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: :D |
| 05:12.06 | RST38h | rm_you: Weirdly, I rarely get spammed on ICQ |
| 05:12.09 | crashanddie | However, there was this amazing feature in ICQ, back in the mid-90s, that just blew other IM systems out of the water |
| 05:12.14 | crashanddie | You could leave a message to someone who was offline |
| 05:12.14 | rm_you | odd |
| 05:12.22 | RST38h | Every now and then, but definitely way less than via email |
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| 05:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | frowns at xchat on N900 |
| 05:13.36 | wazd_e63 | I want to move all my friends to jabber but they're too lazy :( |
| 05:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if that's related to any of the xchat changes of the last 3 months |
| 05:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | (the timeouts that is) |
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| 05:14.15 | RST38h | wazd: YOu should pay them! |
| 05:14.40 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: oh :( |
| 05:14.59 | Trizt | DocScrutinizer; I haven't noticed any, but then I'm not usually logged in more than a hour at any time |
| 05:15.13 | wazd_e63 | Woo, 20 minutes left! |
| 05:15.26 | wazd_e63 | Time runs fast in good company :) |
| 05:15.27 | crashanddie | rosiska uchen znakhodyt hroshi na oplatu druziv |
| 05:15.49 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: what the hell was that? :) |
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| 05:16.09 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: simlish? :D |
| 05:16.11 | crashanddie | a failed attempt at ukrainian probably :P |
| 05:16.52 | RST38h | DocS: Yea, I broke it. |
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| 05:17.31 | wazd_e63 | Battery dies fast in good company :) |
| 05:17.33 | crashanddie | wazd_e63: isn't druzya or druzyei friends in ukrainian/russian? |
| 05:17.44 | RST38h | In the meanwhile, Eldar is having another tantrum. What drama! |
| 05:17.51 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: yep |
| 05:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | Trizt: I'll probably try to gather the old version from my backup. Let's see if it's related to a weird fsckng system firmware they installed at repair shop or at Nokia repair center, or it's caused by any of the newer xchat versions which I all avoided due to my dislike of the notification crap |
| 05:17.59 | RST38h | crashanddia: druz'ya |
| 05:18.27 | crashanddie | russki uchenik is "russian student", right? |
| 05:18.37 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: |
| 05:18.43 | wazd_e63 | rst38h: yeah, he's really insane |
| 05:18.59 | crashanddie | wazd_e63: ? |
| 05:19.00 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: not just stupid, but mentally insane |
| 05:19.13 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: not you, Eldar :D |
| 05:19.15 | crashanddie | RST38h: link? |
| 05:19.23 | crashanddie | yeah yeah, I got that |
| 05:19.31 | crashanddie | you just said my name on an empty line :P |
| 05:19.32 | RST38h | wazd: Wants to take Nokia to court because one of Nokia employees "claimed he has an illegally obtain nokia property" |
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| 05:19.53 | RST38h | crashanddie: it's in Russian, and pretty long. |
| 05:19.59 | Stskeeps | well, a proto is property of nokia |
| 05:20.05 | crashanddie | k |
| 05:20.13 | RST38h | Stskeeps: He claims that was libel =) |
| 05:20.57 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: yeah, I've already read that, loled alot |
| 05:20.57 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: in bad russian :D |
| 05:21.30 | crashanddie | wazd_e63: russki uchenik (finds?) sredsta platit druz'ya |
| 05:21.46 | crashanddie | russian/ukrainian is so god damn difficult |
| 05:22.24 | crashanddie | All of that, just for a joke on "[15:14] <RST38h> wazd: YOu should pay them!" |
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| 05:22.39 | RST38h | wonders what kind of mind altering substance Eldar is consuming |
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| 05:23.13 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: btw, isn't he supporting crime when accepting protos form any manufacturer? |
| 05:23.14 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: what are you trying to say?) |
| 05:23.31 | crashanddie | Russian student finds money to pay friends? |
| 05:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | or let's try a decent triage... |
| 05:23.52 | RST38h | Seems to claim that he single-handedly lowered Nokia's shares at the stock xchange |
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| 05:24.08 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: then russkij student @ |
| 05:24.09 | RST38h | wazd: Not really |
| 05:24.20 | RST38h | wazd: Accepting a proto is not a crime :) |
| 05:24.23 | wazd_e63 | oops |
| 05:25.00 | RST38h | wazd: Besides, the legal part is completely irrelevant here, who cares, when the psychiatric aspect is so funny? =) |
| 05:25.04 | Stskeeps | RST38h: but having one without a loan agreement is possibly a crime :P |
| 05:25.05 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: russkij student nahodit den'gi 4toby platit' druz'yam :D |
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| 05:25.23 | RST38h | Stskeeps: There is a plenty of situation where you can end up with one |
| 05:25.25 | crashanddie | aww |
| 05:25.28 | crashanddie | I wasn't that far off :P |
| 05:25.32 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: true :) |
| 05:25.32 | crashanddie | You could've understood :d |
| 05:25.46 | RST38h | Stskeeps: And the loan agreement is not federally enforced, it is simply a paper you sign with the company |
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| 05:26.00 | RST38h | Stskeeps: So, civil lawsuit at best, and even that is questionable |
| 05:26.16 | crashanddie | I moved countries, they can try to sue me :P |
| 05:26.17 | trumee | any signs of pr1.2 in HK? |
| 05:26.18 | crashanddie | first they have to find me :D |
| 05:27.12 | crashanddie | trumee: none whatsoever |
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| 05:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 05:27.38 | trumee | crashanddie: not good. |
| 05:27.48 | Trizt | trumee; you said late last night Friday for HK release and it's still Thursday over there |
| 05:28.33 | crashanddie | is it friday anywhere in the world? |
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| 05:28.52 | trumee | Trizt: i thought it was thursday for HK release? |
| 05:28.55 | crashanddie | Trizt: no need to google, answer is no :P |
| 05:29.05 | crashanddie | trumee: I heard friday |
| 05:29.06 | Trizt | crashanddie; depends on how drunk you have been the past week ;) |
| 05:29.24 | crashanddie | Trizt: hey, I'm not missing friday, it's my last day at work |
| 05:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: were there any changes to the timers or lagometer or any faintly related stuff, on xchat during last 3 or 4 months? |
| 05:29.41 | Trizt | crashanddie; should I congrat you? |
| 05:29.50 | crashanddie | oh yeah |
| 05:30.02 | Trizt | crashanddie; congrats :) |
| 05:30.05 | trumee | crashanddie: my bad then. |
| 05:30.25 | crashanddie | trumee: there's a thread on tmo that documents it |
| 05:30.33 | crashanddie | trumee: some others were expecting it today |
| 05:30.40 | crashanddie | so there may be some wrong info circulating? |
| 05:30.49 | crashanddie | Or it might be today, and Nokia failing again |
| 05:30.51 | crashanddie | (and my info being wrong, etc) |
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| 05:31.37 | crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632555#post632555 |
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| 05:32.21 | wazd_e63 | Woo, I'm in spb :) |
| 05:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | or it's a big hoax |
| 05:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | the 'origina' blog said "Thu 29." |
| 05:34.16 | crashanddie | in Europe? |
| 05:34.20 | crashanddie | in the US? |
| 05:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile it's quite into the afternoon at HK |
| 05:34.26 | Trizt | on Mars |
| 05:34.31 | wazd_e63 | On earth? :) |
| 05:34.32 | crashanddie | I mean, it's still Wed. 28th in the US |
| 05:34.49 | Trizt | DocScrutinizer; it's just half past one |
| 05:34.58 | crashanddie | on mars? |
| 05:34.58 | crashanddie | Sweet |
| 05:35.01 | crashanddie | how's your ping |
| 05:35.02 | crashanddie | ? |
| 05:35.08 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: almost 10 am here :) |
| 05:35.23 | Trizt | crashanddie; ~8min |
| 05:35.33 | crashanddie | wazd_e63: yeah, but you're not in an interesting part of the world |
| 05:36.04 | crashanddie | god I'm so fecking bored |
| 05:36.30 | Trizt | trumee; you can keep an eye on nokia.com.hk if you want to see if they release the phone in HK |
| 05:37.22 | tybollt | phone? |
| 05:37.36 | tybollt | I thought y'all were talking 1.2? |
| 05:37.38 | tybollt | :S |
| 05:37.45 | Surfa | world clock in irc, how handy |
| 05:39.07 | tybollt | trizt: what phone? |
| 05:39.40 | FIQ | hmm... |
| 05:39.52 | tybollt | hmm... |
| 05:39.54 | wazd_e63 | I'm passing by some Half Life 2 decorations... |
| 05:40.13 | wazd_e63 | Hmm... |
| 05:40.16 | FIQ | starts to think PR1.2 will not be released before summer |
| 05:40.46 | wazd_e63 | Fiq: before summer in antarctica :D |
| 05:41.02 | FIQ | ofc |
| 05:41.29 | wazd_e63 | Ok, I'm out, cya later :) |
| 05:42.17 | FIQ | hmm |
| 05:42.28 | FIQ | my DS is broken |
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| 05:42.47 | FIQ | need to get a new handheld console |
| 05:43.02 | FIQ | do you suggest i should wait for 3DS or go for Pandora |
| 05:43.03 | FIQ | ? |
| 05:43.08 | FIQ | -enter |
| 05:43.55 | FIQ | as that thing seems to actually be released soon |
| 05:43.58 | Trizt | tybollt; the n900, trumee thinks the pr1.2 would be released with it |
| 05:44.02 | GeneralAntilles | FIQ, that seems like a very dependent question |
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| 05:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | Do you like polished games and being able to play easily? |
| 05:44.19 | GeneralAntilles | Because the Pandora is likely to offer neither |
| 05:44.32 | FIQ | well |
| 05:44.32 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of emulator stuff that will take a fair bit of effort to use. |
| 05:44.52 | FIQ | hmm |
| 05:44.59 | FIQ | "a fair bit of effort to use." |
| 05:45.40 | FIQ | dl an emulator, optimize settings, download ROM (and eventually some bios if you're going to run for example PS1) |
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| 05:45.58 | FIQ | could not be that hard |
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| 05:46.58 | FIQ | and i'm going for a flash chart @ 3DS anyway so i can run things like GB(A) emu on 3DS or things like that |
| 05:47.28 | FIQ | what will be possible with both of then to play will be the thing I look at |
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| 05:47.49 | FIQ | them* |
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| 05:55.55 | Ikarus[N900] | stupid sites treating microB like a retarded mobile browser |
| 05:56.23 | Ikarus[N900] | and rediricting me to a reduced feature page that is useless |
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| 06:07.10 | GeneralAntilles | boggles at http://kanesstrikeoutcontest.com/contest/index.php |
| 06:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 06:07.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632603#post632603 |
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| 06:11.08 | sheepbat | I had the exact opposite problem today, Ikarus[N900] |
| 06:11.17 | sheepbat | I wanted to go to the mobile site, and was told to go to the regular one |
| 06:11.17 | Ikarus[N900] | oh ? |
| 06:11.21 | Ikarus[N900] | heh |
| 06:11.25 | sheepbat | but that's because I have the user agent thingy |
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| 06:12.39 | Ikarus[N900] | it's stupid for sites to try and auto detect |
| 06:13.06 | sheepbat | agreed |
| 06:13.11 | Ikarus[N900] | esp given there are fscking netbooks running at the same resolution as a N900 |
| 06:13.19 | sheepbat | or at least disallowing you to go to the other site |
| 06:13.49 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I don't get why people are so angry at Stskeeps |
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| 06:13.57 | Ikarus[N900] | cracked.com only works if you add a parameter to each url by hand |
| 06:14.27 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: did any of those people who are disgruntled about Mer ever wrote a single line of code, packaged something, or did anything else than "test" it? |
| 06:14.43 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: if not, why on earth does he feel "burnt"? |
| 06:14.55 | mece1 | I was wondering, do semi-complete but playable games get to extras? |
| 06:15.02 | mece1 | or applications in general |
| 06:15.09 | tekojo | crashanddie expectation management, hardest sport in the world |
| 06:15.50 | crashanddie | How about people stop expecting to have their own expectations managed, and manage their own expectations? |
| 06:15.51 | mece1 | tekojo, sport indeed, LOL |
| 06:16.23 | tekojo | crashanddie in a perfect world :) |
| 06:19.10 | tybollt | grabs his expectations, stuffs them in a handbag and hands it over to crashanddie - there, your problem now - buddy |
| 06:19.40 | crashanddie | you don't want to know where I'm going to stuff your expectations, mate |
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| 06:19.57 | tybollt | :-D |
| 06:20.09 | crashanddie | btw |
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| 06:20.24 | crashanddie | why the fuck do you have a handbag? |
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| 06:20.34 | tekojo | expects coffee now |
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| 06:20.48 | tybollt | crashanddie: good point. Hah! |
| 06:20.54 | crashanddie | tekojo: anything happening? |
| 06:20.56 | BusterB | Kmplayer has osso-media-server. Is that a media player only available in kmplayer? |
| 06:21.18 | Stskeeps | mm, coffee |
| 06:21.27 | Ikarus[N900] | it's the build in one |
| 06:21.38 | crashanddie | built-in |
| 06:21.48 | tekojo | crashanddie I'm still sitting in front of this thing, I'm afraid I need to get up to get coffee. Maybe I can flame someone for that :) |
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| 06:22.09 | BusterB | ohhh osso-media-server is the default media player? I see |
| 06:22.32 | mece | ok, perhaps now I'm visible too.. |
| 06:22.51 | crashanddie | tekojo: I'm actually waiting for tmo to start loading again so i can write "Carsten, seriously, I was expecting Mer to power my coffee machine by now, seriously, you're not being serious!" |
| 06:23.36 | tekojo | Stskeeps are you reading that, it's all your fault me and crashanddie don't have coffee |
| 06:23.58 | Stskeeps | offers coffee |
| 06:24.06 | Corsac | crashanddie: is he announcing a Mer port to netbsd? |
| 06:24.12 | tekojo | gets off his butt and takes the mug |
| 06:24.25 | mece | Is it the official Stskeeps bugging day? |
| 06:24.26 | crashanddie | BusterB: osso his a helper lib for maemo |
| 06:24.41 | Ikarus[N900] | hrm, I can't connect to a ch13 wlan ap ? (europe, so it should work) |
| 06:24.51 | crashanddie | no, it's the official Stskeeps-is-a-wanker-because-he-is-too-good-day |
| 06:24.59 | mece | hehehe |
| 06:25.05 | Stskeeps | mece, rather now than rest of the year ;) |
| 06:25.07 | Ikarus[N900] | any way to force EU/worldwide radio channel rules ? |
| 06:25.46 | crashanddie | Ikarus[N900]: sure, just reverse-engineer the driver for the chipset, hope the chipset supports it, and then also hope the antenna has enough gain for that frequency |
| 06:25.58 | crashanddie | (antenna is long enough) |
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| 06:26.15 | crashanddie | s/(a/(hope the a) |
| 06:26.22 | tybollt | crashanddie: TWSS |
| 06:26.24 | Ikarus[N900] | crashanddie: the chipset and driver support |
| 06:26.27 | Ikarus[N900] | it |
| 06:26.35 | crashanddie | tybollt: eh? |
| 06:26.40 | Ikarus[N900] | it's just enforcing the wrong ruleset |
| 06:27.00 | Corsac | Ikarus[N900]: regulation can be enforced in the kernel, in the firmware or both |
| 06:27.05 | crashanddie | tybollt: do not twss me |
| 06:27.07 | BusterB | crashanddie: I see |
| 06:27.14 | Corsac | my thinkpad won't connect to ch13 either since I bought it from us |
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| 06:27.40 | crashanddie | my macbook connects to ch13 even though I bought it in the US... |
| 06:28.18 | crashanddie | Ikarus[N900]: or you can just use ch12 |
| 06:28.23 | Corsac | for real, nothing prevents you to use ch13, it's just not recommended at all, iirc, because of overlaps, so some people disable them |
| 06:28.36 | Corsac | crashanddie: that's difficult when you don't control the infrastructure |
| 06:28.50 | crashanddie | infrastructure shouldn't use fancy frequencies |
| 06:28.53 | Ikarus[N900] | Corsac: us laws ban it though |
| 06:29.13 | Ikarus[N900] | crashanddie: nothing fancy about ch 13 |
| 06:29.26 | Ikarus[N900] | only 14 JP only is fancy |
| 06:31.12 | crashanddie | Ikarus[N900]: dmesg | grep Reg |
| 06:31.33 | tybollt | crashanddie: :) |
| 06:32.22 | Ikarus[N900] | it's US appaerently |
| 06:32.51 | Ikarus[N900] | and I have had GPS lock and using a European sim, wtf |
| 06:33.06 | Ikarus[N900] | ah well, will force it |
| 06:33.17 | crashanddie | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5699 |
| 06:33.21 | povbot | Bug 5699: WLAN regulatory domain changes to US when no position data available |
| 06:33.23 | Ikarus[N900] | if it is using that infrastructure it's not hard |
| 06:33.44 | crashanddie | "If we cannot determine the location we must default to US since all devices must conform to FCC requirements." |
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| 06:34.48 | Ikarus[N900] | crashanddie: and I say to the FCC, drop dead and die |
| 06:35.06 | Ikarus[N900] | fucking useless US radio morons |
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| 06:36.26 | Ikarus[N900] | (now we uust need to get that made into Nokia policy) |
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| 06:40.11 | Ikarus[N900] | makes a note to hack up a little fix for this |
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| 06:47.11 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 06:49.53 | Corsac | Ikarus[N900]: they are not completely banned, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#endnote_B |
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| 07:09.34 | wazd_e63 | No free wifi here, I'm returning to Moscow :) |
| 07:09.57 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 07:10.38 | wazd_e63 | Dude talking bout something called UbiQ |
| 07:10.52 | wazd_e63 | With logo resembling ubisoft |
| 07:11.38 | mece | grr argh! styling QListWidget makes my head hurt. |
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| 07:11.56 | mece | apparently the default maemo style doesn't obey the style sheets. |
| 07:12.35 | wazd_e63 | Bbiab |
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| 07:14.31 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:16.19 | wazd_e63 | Ok |
| 07:16.38 | wazd_e63 | Main value that shows that maemo community grows fast |
| 07:17.03 | mece | wazd_e63, say whut? |
| 07:17.04 | wazd_e63 | 7 awesome ladies in the hall, instead of 2 year ago |
| 07:17.38 | wazd_e63 | I definitely need to get closer :) |
| 07:18.30 | mece | teehee |
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| 07:19.11 | wazd_e63 | I hope they were not forced to come :) |
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| 07:20.29 | wazd_e63 | Hmmm, I see some retail packed n900's in the hall |
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| 07:21.40 | parasight | dmj726: Hi and congrats to you too. You seem to have an interesting project |
| 07:22.21 | dmj726 | Yep |
| 07:22.50 | dmj726 | Have you thought about your UI and such yet? |
| 07:23.03 | parasight | dmj726: There's a #maemo-gsoc channel for gsoc related stuff |
| 07:23.11 | dmj726 | is there? |
| 07:23.14 | dmj726 | cool |
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| 07:24.35 | mece | Generic argue/rant/troll threads should be in Off-Topic. |
| 07:25.19 | mece | in tmo I mean. |
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| 07:26.02 | dmj726 | tmo is getting really noisy :-/ |
| 07:26.25 | tybollt | 'getting'? |
| 07:26.26 | tybollt | dude |
| 07:27.26 | mece | hahaha |
| 07:28.16 | hrw | tmo became useless after n900 launch |
| 07:28.18 | mece | but the fud/troll threads are pretty easy to spot. I just want them to stay in OT. |
| 07:28.18 | dmj726 | yeah...it's been noisy for a while. |
| 07:28.51 | dmj726 | I wouldn't mind if you could just have the OT posts not show in the "recent threads" list |
| 07:29.18 | mece | dmj726, exactly! I've been asking for that for months now. |
| 07:29.36 | mece | and troll threads be moved to OT asap ;) |
| 07:29.58 | dmj726 | I mostly read tmo to see what people are working on and offer help/advice from time to time. |
| 07:30.08 | mece | hmm what's fireworks? Image editing software? |
| 07:30.21 | dmj726 | something like that. |
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| 07:30.44 | mece | I go to tmo to post about stuff I do, read about stuff I use and help noobs with actual problems. |
| 07:31.09 | dmj726 | Yeah, I haven't made much that's worth posting...yet. |
| 07:31.20 | dmj726 | GSoC should change that. |
| 07:31.30 | mece | dmj726, bug reporting is always welcome tho. |
| 07:31.49 | mece | the stuff I make is so unstable that it needs a lot of support :D |
| 07:31.51 | dmj726 | I like bug reporting, though I've only reported one. |
| 07:32.00 | dmj726 | People beat me to the punch the other times. |
| 07:32.12 | mece | dmj726, well discussing bugs is also welcome, if an application has a thread where such is done. |
| 07:32.31 | dmj726 | Which things have you made, I don't keep track of every project? |
| 07:33.10 | mece | dmj726, well, working on porting fheroes2, wesnoth and did comic-widget |
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| 07:33.26 | dmj726 | Oh, I like Comic widget |
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| 07:33.57 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:34.23 | dmj726 | I've been thinking of playing wesnoth. |
| 07:34.36 | wazd_e63 | Ok, I've located Foster :D |
| 07:35.10 | wazd_e63 | He spoted himself asking questions bout architecture :D |
| 07:36.05 | mece | dmj726, my version is not yet in devel, because I'm still pending on maintainer spot. You can get the deb here though: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=601886&postcount=55 |
| 07:37.01 | wazd_e63 | I like how finns talk english, they like trying to sing :) |
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| 07:37.39 | mece | wazd_e63, you mean ralli-english? |
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| 07:38.02 | frals | :D |
| 07:38.07 | wazd_e63 | Mece: well, all that "moooouuuubile" stuff :) |
| 07:39.08 | mece | haha yeah. Well the nok peeps speak pretty good english. Unlike the rally and f1 drivers. |
| 07:39.13 | dmj726 | hmm...this version will be en -devel soon? |
| 07:39.30 | mece | dmj726, my wesnoth build? |
| 07:40.09 | dmj726 | yeah |
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| 07:42.08 | mece | dmj726, possibly, if I get maintainer status on the package. |
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| 07:42.30 | dmj726 | okay, you should at least submit a patch. |
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| 07:44.45 | mece | thinking of promoting fheroes2 to testing... but perhaps there is no point. |
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| 07:46.22 | dmj726 | If you think it's ready, might as well. |
| 07:46.48 | mece | dmj726, well the upstream isn't ready, so I don't think it ever will be. |
| 07:48.01 | dmj726 | I see. |
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| 07:49.56 | furunk3l | yes hello |
| 07:49.56 | ag0ny | Good morning |
| 07:50.54 | mece | dmj726, but it's mostly stable and working. |
| 07:51.42 | dmj726 | Well, if it's not dangerous and mainly working (at least as far as the desktop version is), I'd promote it. |
| 07:52.00 | dmj726 | ...as long as it's at the point where users would enjoy it. |
| 07:53.07 | mece | dmj726, people seem to enjoy it at least. I tihnk I'll make a new version with all the little bits improved. And a better description. |
| 07:53.28 | dmj726 | Yeah...good descriptions are always appreciated. |
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| 08:21.20 | wazd_e63 | Fuck! |
| 08:21.21 | wazd_e63 | Jeremiah could't come! |
| 08:21.50 | wazd_e63 | What an awesome fail! |
| 08:22.07 | wazd_e63 | And tell me hopbeat's name please :D |
| 08:22.52 | wazd_e63 | Seriously :) |
| 08:23.00 | tybollt | His name is Shirley - has to be |
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| 08:30.18 | crashanddie | evening Termana |
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| 08:35.00 | chem|st | moaning |
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| 08:38.59 | mece | hmm.. I seem to require automake 1.9 and scratch has automake 1.8.5. |
| 08:39.00 | mece | Damn. |
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| 08:41.41 | timeless | trizt: i've pushed an updated 0.1-7 which should give you a message |
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| 08:42.43 | timeless | please see if you can trigger the fault again |
| 08:42.46 | timeless | (update first.) |
| 08:42.59 | frals | (dns backstage.in.nokia.com |
| 08:43.01 | frals | wopsi |
| 08:43.11 | Scelt | backstab.in.nokia.com¨ |
| 08:43.14 | Scelt | hubz! |
| 08:43.32 | Corsac | NXDOMAIN |
| 08:43.35 | frals | i dislike referers i cant check on! |
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| 08:44.15 | mece | wtf is fribidi? |
| 08:44.46 | range | Am I the only one seeing loads of updates (could be from testing or extras) which all fail with broken packages today? |
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| 08:49.11 | mece | range, I had that a few days ago. |
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| 08:50.09 | range | Hmmm. Fun. |
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| 08:52.20 | mece | range, checking if I'm having that issue too today. |
| 08:53.20 | Scelt | fmms always updates :) |
| 08:54.13 | frals | yeah damn that fmms dev and all them updates! get the tar and feathers! |
| 08:54.16 | frals | ;) |
| 08:55.12 | mece | nifty: http://johanneskuhlmann.de/blog/2010/04/28/3d-on-the-nokia-n900-through-head-tracking/ |
| 08:55.37 | mece | frals, get the tar and gzippers! |
| 08:55.47 | frals | :D |
| 09:00.33 | Scelt | frals: ;D |
| 09:00.52 | Jaffa | mece: very nice |
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| 09:06.28 | mece | any quick way to make debian/* files on a source that uses cmake? |
| 09:06.34 | X-Fade | mece: Yes, that is some interesting stuff! |
| 09:07.33 | mece | Jaffa, X-Fade, would be interesting if there was a head-tracking plugin to some 3d engines.. |
| 09:07.44 | chem|st | mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45866 |
| 09:08.12 | X-Fade | With a bit of smoothing, this will work quite nicely for games etc. |
| 09:08.27 | mece | chem|st, yeah I saw that one. Pretty cool. And one of the best named apps on maemo. |
| 09:08.44 | chem|st | In Ya Face |
| 09:09.04 | mece | another aptly named app is facebrick :D |
| 09:09.42 | chem|st | app to brick your device so you can throw it at one's face? |
| 09:10.17 | X-Fade | Anyway, it seems that the front camera is a bit better in a certain unnamed firmware. |
| 09:10.25 | chem|st | I am still concerned that noone is concerned about securing the n900 |
| 09:10.42 | frals | woha \o/ i can make the apn i add not become default in the ui \o/ |
| 09:11.16 | mece | Aaaahahaha! Extras-devil :D:D:D:D |
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| 09:17.08 | SpeedEvil1 | chem|st: It has a lanyard hole. |
| 09:17.21 | SpeedEvil1 | chem|st: open the battery, and poke one through, so it's secure. |
| 09:17.58 | X-Fade | Yep, that is where I have my wrist strap attached through. |
| 09:18.11 | squidd | 3 |
| 09:18.14 | squidd | 2 |
| 09:18.15 | squidd | 1 |
| 09:18.20 | squidd | hmh |
| 09:18.26 | squidd | no pr1.2 :( |
| 09:18.27 | X-Fade | Very handy when letting small kids play Bounce etc ;) |
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| 09:18.55 | X-Fade | The jumping over the bridge part is scary otherwise. |
| 09:19.02 | SpeedEvil1 | X-Fade: Does the un-named firmware come with more bounce levels? |
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| 09:19.29 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil1: Bounce is in ovi, not firmware. |
| 09:19.36 | SpeedEvil1 | I know :) |
| 09:19.40 | SpeedEvil1 | One can hope though. |
| 09:19.54 | crashanddie | hmm, hearing a Belgian guy say "I have the wrist wrap attached, very handy when letting small kids play with it" definitely made me smile |
| 09:19.57 | X-Fade | I gather Bounce is only a tech demo. Not intended to be a real game. |
| 09:20.01 | SpeedEvil1 | damn |
| 09:20.14 | crashanddie | s/wrap/strap/ |
| 09:20.22 | SpeedEvil | Pity |
| 09:20.31 | SpeedEvil | more levels would be great fun |
| 09:20.40 | X-Fade | crashanddie: You always know how to spin words to fix your dirty mind :) |
| 09:20.46 | X-Fade | *fit |
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| 09:21.06 | crashanddie | well, I'm Belgian, I have an excuse :P |
| 09:21.33 | Khertan | Hi ! |
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| 09:24.01 | crashanddie | yo Khertan |
| 09:24.11 | tybollt | hmm |
| 09:24.26 | tybollt | 1.2 |
| 09:25.59 | pupnik | morning :P |
| 09:26.52 | Khertan | 'lo crashanddie |
| 09:27.04 | Khertan | tybollt: hummm no |
| 09:27.12 | Khertan | morning pupnik |
| 09:27.31 | Po0ky | crashanddie, speak for yourself |
| 09:27.45 | crashanddie | oh come on |
| 09:27.52 | Scelt | crashanddie: that's corny |
| 09:27.58 | Scelt | s/that's c/i'm h/ |
| 09:28.01 | Scelt | :D: |
| 09:28.17 | crashanddie | belgians and austrians, the two countries where you can't really trust adults with children |
| 09:28.23 | crashanddie | well, that and the vatican, I guess |
| 09:29.45 | mece | who moderates "general" on tmo? |
| 09:30.02 | chem|st | hides |
| 09:30.27 | crashanddie | mece: some wankers |
| 09:30.36 | crashanddie | though moderating is a generous term :P |
| 09:30.38 | chem|st | crashanddie: wtf |
| 09:30.40 | tybollt | crashanddie: what about the irish then? Granted, it's all about religion there ;) |
| 09:31.05 | crashanddie | chem|st: wut? got a problem, there, I said it, moderators are plonkers! |
| 09:31.10 | crashanddie | aye sir! |
| 09:31.14 | chem|st | crashanddie: it is a general problem in society not in specific countries |
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| 09:31.47 | chem|st | crashanddie: you've been one so you are a retired wanker? |
| 09:31.49 | chantra | lo there, any nokia develloppers that could help me out in understanding some dbus replies :p |
| 09:31.57 | tybollt | chem|st: and you lack humour. |
| 09:32.00 | chem|st | mece: I am mod |
| 09:32.08 | chantra | could not find any resource on the internet to help me out |
| 09:32.21 | chem|st | tybollt: no I lack coffee for now |
| 09:33.04 | crashanddie | chem|st: yes, I'm retired, I'm puffempty |
| 09:33.23 | frals | chantra: best way is to just state the problem and anyone who knows will probably respond |
| 09:33.39 | chantra | frals: yeah, already attempted |
| 09:33.47 | chantra | gimme a sec, I will get some link posted :) |
| 09:33.52 | mece | chem|st, I was wondering, should the pointless threads be moved to off topic? |
| 09:34.00 | chem|st | mece: we are out of mods for now andrew and I just volunteered to super mod as the place gets more messy every day |
| 09:34.05 | tybollt | rSAP in N8900 - any takers? |
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| 09:34.08 | chem|st | mece: link and I get my hands on it |
| 09:34.10 | tybollt | N900 |
| 09:34.18 | mece | chem|st, waitup |
| 09:35.47 | mece | chem|st, here's a couple: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51327 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50807 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51317 |
| 09:35.55 | chem|st | crashanddie: I learned from being admin and mod for years now that you wont get a thank you ever, they will blame you for everything and you need to handle it, so wanking is a good alternative to yelling at them |
| 09:36.36 | crashanddie | I'll try to keep that in mind |
| 09:36.48 | korhojoa | :D |
| 09:36.57 | korhojoa | i log in and this is what i see? |
| 09:37.00 | mece | imo stuff that is completely non constructive can be moved to off topic in general. |
| 09:37.07 | mece | haha |
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| 09:37.34 | mece | -- from general |
| 09:37.41 | mece | and from other places too. |
| 09:37.51 | tybollt | korhojoa: for you catholic batty boys we have a separate pr0n free channel - called #iphone... |
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| 09:38.00 | lpotter | chantra: talk to thiago, he's Mr. QDBus |
| 09:38.00 | mece | LOOOOOL |
| 09:38.06 | chantra | frals: here you go: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/25900 |
| 09:38.17 | korhojoa | tybollt: uhh... |
| 09:38.18 | chantra | lpotter: tks for that :) |
| 09:38.44 | Treibholz | btw.: I heard overclocking will be much easier and safer with PR1.2! |
| 09:39.17 | X-Fade | Treibholz: Yes and frying an egg on the back plate too. |
| 09:39.20 | mece | Treibholz, LOL... MohammadAG, GET HIM! |
| 09:39.32 | chantra | lpotter: well, the thing is not really dbus related, but rather a lack of API doc |
| 09:39.46 | chantra | I have the dbus results, just dont know there meanings |
| 09:39.47 | mece | chantra, which api lacks doc? |
| 09:40.11 | chantra | mece: phone.net dbus api |
| 09:40.17 | mece | k. |
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| 09:40.53 | chantra | mece: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Tools&id=1106&type=g did a real good job |
| 09:41.02 | crashanddie | Treibholz: I heard PR1.2 might help with fertility in women |
| 09:41.04 | tybollt | uhm overclocking N900? good grief |
| 09:41.25 | chantra | but, just missing some "official" API for nokia'specific components |
| 09:41.26 | crashanddie | Treibholz: and I also heard that PR1.2 will have an app that allows us to stream the hidden face of the moon 24/7 |
| 09:41.31 | crashanddie | without wifi nor 3g! |
| 09:41.37 | chem|st | mece: the last two stay there or got merged, I know that its not the best info but at least they got some and we need to keep some threads like those to make them happy |
| 09:41.52 | Treibholz | crashanddie: and has dalvic to run Android-Apps! |
| 09:41.55 | tybollt | crashanddie: joke as you may - missus ctually complained when I bought mine that it did not have the "fertility app" that you canhave on iphone. :-P |
| 09:42.04 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 09:42.09 | crashanddie | goes on troll patrol on tmo |
| 09:42.18 | chem|st | crashanddie: and can do your work and brings you coffee |
| 09:42.20 | crashanddie | chem|st: did you like my "This thread is nuts" joke? |
| 09:42.32 | achipa | crashanddie: that's no patrol... its a dosage |
| 09:42.38 | chem|st | crashanddie: yes! that was realy a good one |
| 09:43.27 | chem|st | crashanddie: you are actualy the right sensed guy for a mod but you get pissed to easily |
| 09:43.49 | crashanddie | yeah, been going through some tough turf lately |
| 09:44.03 | crashanddie | and if you don't have small kids to take it out on, I took the next best thing: tmo users |
| 09:44.19 | chem|st | crashanddie: some deserved it.... |
| 09:44.37 | crashanddie | which is why I quit, amongst other reasons -- I realised I wasn't being productive |
| 09:44.52 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: isn't there one? Femanon or something. |
| 09:44.59 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: maecycle? |
| 09:45.01 | SpeedEvil | forgets |
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| 09:46.00 | mece | and now for something completely different: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/shanghais_expo_nearly_ready.html |
| 09:46.46 | chem|st | bless you |
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| 09:47.42 | achipa | while we are at tmo... how the hell do you change the thread title ? or am I suffering from coffee withdrawal ? |
| 09:47.49 | crashanddie | you can't |
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| 09:47.53 | crashanddie | you have to ask a mod to do it |
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| 09:48.17 | crashanddie | just report your thread, and say: "OP Request: can you change thread title to "..."" |
| 09:48.18 | achipa | Dear mr mod. Please do it. As I have asked in a post in my thread. Oh, you don't read those. :) |
| 09:48.35 | achipa | I know. But reporting myself felt... wrong |
| 09:48.37 | achipa | :D |
| 09:48.59 | crashanddie | No, you would simply make the Spanish Inquisition proud. |
| 09:49.07 | mece | doh.. reporting threads... That's how you're supposed to do it. *bonk self* |
| 09:49.33 | mece | goes on a reporting spree. |
| 09:50.34 | achipa | NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition |
| 09:50.47 | mece | Wow, some of that shanghai expo stuff defies belief. The Seed Cathedral fex. Holy crap! |
| 09:52.09 | SpeedEvil | goes on a polyphonic spree. |
| 09:52.31 | crashanddie | "The seed cathedrals fecks holy crap"? |
| 09:52.33 | crashanddie | Seriously? |
| 09:53.52 | mece | crashanddie, "for example" |
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| 09:54.43 | mece | is it ok to use the report post to ask a thread to be moved to it's proper place? |
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| 09:56.24 | crashanddie | yes |
| 09:56.31 | crashanddie | as long as you say "its proper place" |
| 09:56.34 | crashanddie | rather than "it's" |
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| 10:02.21 | mece | crashanddie, damn. I hate those typos. Hate making them ever more. |
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| 10:04.21 | chem|st | achipa: link pls |
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| 10:06.59 | chem|st | mece: the report this has a 60 seconds cooldown so you are better of with querrying me and post link and need |
| 10:06.59 | achipa | chem|st: already reported myself |
| 10:06.59 | chem|st | ;) |
| 10:06.59 | achipa | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=502617 |
| 10:06.59 | achipa | btw |
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| 10:08.12 | ghostcube | anythng new for 1.2? |
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| 10:08.20 | ghostcube | or still only bullshit dates |
| 10:08.30 | SpeedEvil | bullshit |
| 10:08.37 | ghostcube | thx :D |
| 10:08.44 | jacekowski | released? |
| 10:08.46 | mece | aol sold ICQ sold for almost $200M! |
| 10:09.00 | marmoute | mece: to ? |
| 10:09.05 | jacekowski | is anybody still using icq? |
| 10:10.06 | dottedmag | jacekowski: lot of simpletons do |
| 10:10.12 | mece | marmoute, Digital Sky Technologies |
| 10:10.18 | dottedmag | Now their messages belong to FSB, not to AOL. |
| 10:10.41 | mece | marmoute, a russian company. ICQ is big in russia apparently. |
| 10:14.48 | chem|st | jacekowski I do because of those lazy ppl not using jabber |
| 10:18.17 | frals | is it possible to list all applications on maemo.org/downloads listed by # of downloads? |
| 10:18.33 | X-Fade | frals: replace score with downloads |
| 10:18.41 | frals | thanks! |
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| 10:21.22 | MohammadAG | 29/4 |
| 10:21.27 | MohammadAG | pings tmo |
| 10:21.51 | MohammadAG | receives a pong |
| 10:22.02 | MohammadAG | I guess there's no update xD |
| 10:22.28 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
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| 10:22.50 | tybollt | so the US couldn't accept Iceland had the bigger nature disaster, so they had to create their own to trump it... |
| 10:23.07 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked |
| 10:23.14 | Corsac | tybollt: not really a nature disaster |
| 10:23.25 | tybollt | man created one ;) |
| 10:23.31 | tybollt | but yeah |
| 10:23.40 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer: relax son |
| 10:23.56 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 10:24.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, :( I didn't ask for it |
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| 10:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | I knw :-) |
| 10:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | know |
| 10:25.49 | crashanddie | I love how some websites are biased to create issues |
| 10:25.57 | crashanddie | Comment form, 3 options on other people's comments |
| 10:26.09 | MohammadAG | fremantale <- new typo for fremnatle |
| 10:26.14 | crashanddie | "Reply", "Agree (x)", "Alert moderator" |
| 10:26.18 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:26.31 | crashanddie | x being the number of times the comment has been agreed with |
| 10:26.51 | crashanddie | I wonder how many alerts those mods get |
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| 10:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | none - hose go dev/null |
| 10:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | those |
| 10:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | grrr where's my hoover |
| 10:28.17 | tybollt | when you file a moderator alert -> "bother someone else, we're busy wanking" |
| 10:28.22 | tybollt | or? |
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| 10:29.19 | SpeedEvil | has to repair his hoover. |
| 10:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | yawns violently |
| 10:29.26 | SpeedEvil | I need to order a couple more bearings. |
| 10:29.46 | SpeedEvil | It made lots of noise, then stopped and fuse blew. |
| 10:30.02 | SpeedEvil | When I opened it up, there were loose ball bearings in the bottom |
| 10:30.07 | SpeedEvil | Which is rarely a good sign. |
| 10:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | guess you're talking about sth else than an appliance |
| 10:30.26 | SpeedEvil | nope |
| 10:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | damn weird dream - if you're dreqaming about your bad typing, it's time to fetch the hoover anyway ;-P |
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| 10:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | plus about (c) issues same time :-o |
| 10:34.04 | mece | tybollt, there's a natural disaster in the us? |
| 10:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | the USA *are* the natural desaster, ever been XP |
| 10:34.41 | tybollt | :-D |
| 10:35.09 | SpeedEvil | mece: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/boobquake-breasts-big-on-facebook-as-women-take-on-iran-cleric-20100427-tnlb.html ? |
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| 10:35.15 | crashanddie | pwned: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2882994.htm |
| 10:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | and they really managed to shoot their foot recently |
| 10:35.42 | mece | ah yeah. Heard about boobquake, and liked what I heard. |
| 10:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | 'obama promises cheap gasoil for southern states' |
| 10:37.53 | tybollt | mece: some wankers on an oil rig outside US managed to get it blown to smithereens so now all the oil they were pumping is leaking right out into the ocean, right now about 960 square km are covered w/ raw oil... |
| 10:38.19 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: >:) |
| 10:38.28 | chem|st | tybollt: true |
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| 10:39.52 | mece | tybollt, oh right. I saw the headlines about some oil. |
| 10:40.00 | mece | heh biggest spill in the world by far. Yay. |
| 10:41.30 | frals | 800k litres leaking per day, pretty awesome fail |
| 10:41.49 | mece | oh shit. |
| 10:42.04 | zaheerm | they should make the americans pay what we do for petrol |
| 10:42.06 | mece | yeah could take 3-4 months to stop the flow, says the beeb |
| 10:42.29 | zaheerm | as punishment for fucking up the ocean |
| 10:42.43 | SpeedEvil | zaheerm: They would riot. |
| 10:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | "availability of cheap energy for the northern atlantic shore states depends on working out proper delivering methods. South America already is scheduled for first shipment" |
| 10:43.02 | zaheerm | SpeedEvil, they should buy bycicles ;) |
| 10:43.12 | zaheerm | aargh |
| 10:43.14 | zaheerm | bicycles |
| 10:43.34 | frals | ~curse packaging |
| 10:43.35 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, packaging ! |
| 10:43.49 | mece | frals, LOL. You said my mantra! |
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| 10:44.54 | zaheerm | ~curse dependence on oil |
| 10:44.55 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dependence on oil ! |
| 10:45.03 | Jaffa | Ha. The "maemo.org takeover" of ITT caused Mer to fail! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632937#post632937 |
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| 10:46.10 | pupnik | morning Jaffa :) |
| 10:46.54 | pupnik | ok. irssi. beep on message. |
| 10:46.59 | Jaffa | 'lo pupnik |
| 10:48.38 | zash | pupnik: can you get the beep from irssi â screen â ssh â *term? |
| 10:50.30 | zash | pupnik: and then poke the wm with a _NET_WM_STATE_DEMANDS_ATTENTION |
| 10:50.42 | frals | Jaffa: interesting conclusion.. :D |
| 10:52.00 | tybollt | infobot: let me tell you a thing or two about "camels" |
| 10:52.09 | tybollt | fucking camels |
| 10:53.13 | tybollt | I went to egypt and all I ever saw were Dromedariess... |
| 10:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | International Telegraph & Telephone? o.O Thought they vanished into oblivion some decades ago |
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| 10:55.58 | pupnik | zash: i am running irssi on n900 so no. |
| 10:56.32 | achipa | tybollt: you sure that was not a Perl course ? |
| 10:56.33 | pupnik | what would be the most maemo5 like way to signal user? i was hoping for a ctrl-g (beep) from XTerminal |
| 10:57.14 | tybollt | pupnik: the yellow HILDON popup of course |
| 10:57.25 | tybollt | visible > audible - always |
| 10:57.27 | mece | pupnik, the hildon notify |
| 10:57.38 | mece | pupnik, what tybollt said. |
| 10:57.49 | tybollt | pupnik: what mece said. |
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| 11:00.25 | Jaffa | frals: It's the only logical one |
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| 11:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, OSS, FOSS, then FLOSS, I'm waiting for dental floss |
| 11:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | 'going to Monatana soon, gonna be a mental toss flycoon' |
| 11:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~floss |
| 11:05.25 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, floss is Free, Libre, and Open Source Software |
| 11:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 11:05.39 | MohammadAG | wonders what the .current_usb_mode is for |
| 11:06.05 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: huh? elaborate |
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| 11:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict libre |
| 11:06.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, found it in /tmp, might not be very useful |
| 11:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 11:07.09 | mece | ~dict cuba libre |
| 11:07.10 | MohammadAG | could be for PC suite/mass storage stuff |
| 11:07.31 | mece | ~curse infobot |
| 11:07.32 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! |
| 11:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~tessaurus free |
| 11:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | tautology to make a silly acronym - pfft |
| 11:09.22 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: "Libre" is often used to explain the open source/free software isn't the same as "gratuit". |
| 11:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | fetches his zircon incrusted tweezers gleaming in the moonlight at night |
| 11:09.40 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Similarly, "'free' as in 'speech', not as in 'beer'" |
| 11:09.52 | korhojoa | ~curse you |
| 11:09.52 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, you ! |
| 11:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | FLOOo |
| 11:11.08 | bilboed-pi | lol |
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| 11:12.37 | mece | aahaha Chuck Norris thread with over 2700 posts! |
| 11:12.56 | mece | it should have been renamed to just "Chuck Norris" |
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| 11:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | I wish some moderator moved it to rubish and changed the header of each post so it includes 30 icons each of 50MB size |
| 11:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | answer posts accepted in hex coded UTF-16 only |
| 11:16.30 | tybollt | ROT13 |
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| 11:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | or tmo really needs a account system: each post costs you 10 points, and you get credits = <your karma> + 15 each week |
| 11:17.28 | pupnik | hee hee |
| 11:18.12 | MohammadAG | weird, N900 rebooted on its own |
| 11:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | duh, had this ONE time since Nov 2009, yeah |
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| 11:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | o.O nevertheless |
| 11:19.02 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: that means I get 40 posts each week |
| 11:19.15 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: and I have what, 300 posts in roughly 2 1/2 years? |
| 11:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | karma whore |
| 11:19.23 | tybollt | mmmmh whoooores |
| 11:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | obviously the karma system itself needs a readjustment then ;-P |
| 11:20.24 | crashanddie | oh, wait, karma, I was thinking thanks |
| 11:21.17 | crashanddie | ok, so i get 25 posts each week |
| 11:21.32 | tybollt | how exactly does karma get bumped? |
| 11:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | just bearable ;-P |
| 11:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: ask google |
| 11:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | about their ranking system |
| 11:22.12 | tybollt | jaja |
| 11:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I think it's actually documented somewhere |
| 11:23.30 | tybollt | ok ok |
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| 11:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I don't care |
| 11:28.35 | ghostcube | ok, serious question and maybe anyone has an serious answer. When will 1.2 be out it couldnt be no one knows about an release date. The python updates in apt arent installable cause of lagging qt 4.6 |
| 11:28.44 | MohammadAG | checks his karma |
| 11:28.49 | MohammadAG | 78, bleh |
| 11:28.52 | crashanddie | ghostcube: 20 minutes |
| 11:29.02 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:29.04 | ShadowJK | ghostcube, nobody can give you an answer. Nokia does not announce it in advance |
| 11:29.05 | ghostcube | -.- |
| 11:29.15 | ghostcube | can anyone bump nokia for this |
| 11:29.20 | MohammadAG | no |
| 11:29.23 | ghostcube | damn |
| 11:29.25 | crashanddie | bumps nokia |
| 11:29.32 | ShadowJK | what for, they'll just say they don't announce it in advance |
| 11:29.37 | ghostcube | ok back to ubuntu release party :D |
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| 11:30.30 | tekojo | looks around if the building is moving after a bump |
| 11:30.48 | frals | :D |
| 11:30.57 | andrewfblack | some guy on t.m.o thinks I created Minimalist theme as a work around to the page numbers running off screen on large threads. lol |
| 11:31.26 | ShadowJK | Also images don't fit, and [code] sections don't fit horizontally in normal theme :) |
| 11:31.39 | crashanddie | [code] is useless |
| 11:31.50 | zaheerm | tekojo, the users caused a volcanic eruption a few weeks back, did this bump actually move the building more than that? |
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| 11:32.03 | ShadowJK | is there anything else besides [code] that doesn't fuck up formatting? |
| 11:32.23 | crashanddie | nope |
| 11:32.53 | tekojo | zaheerm: you never know, better to be safe |
| 11:32.56 | crashanddie | but I wouldn't mind some syntax highlighting inside a [code] |
| 11:33.49 | andrewfblack | well you really can't make a website look good on 800x480 and a widescreen desktop resolution |
| 11:34.02 | crashanddie | sure you can |
| 11:34.02 | andrewfblack | chem|st: Ping |
| 11:34.05 | crashanddie | www.google.com |
| 11:34.12 | crashanddie | looks fine on desktop and n900 |
| 11:34.15 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:34.19 | andrewfblack | crashanddie: ok you can't make a vbulletin forum look good |
| 11:34.35 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, just make it scroll to the left/right |
| 11:34.40 | zaheerm | but mail.google.com with multiple inboxes labs feature does not |
| 11:34.52 | MohammadAG | instead of reflowing it for a small screen |
| 11:35.20 | ShadowJK | it'd be cool if the right hand menu was allowed to be outside the width of the screen |
| 11:35.21 | crashanddie | zaheerm: have you tried the iphone interface? |
| 11:35.22 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: I don't even want to go their that would piss even more people off |
| 11:35.28 | ShadowJK | because it results in half the screen being dead whitespace anyway :/ |
| 11:35.49 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, then those people can live with it :) |
| 11:36.06 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, but why? I can't see any reason to piss them off |
| 11:36.14 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: Welcome to my life in theme work for t.m.o someone is always going to have to live with it I fine |
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| 11:37.10 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: one of the reason the minimalist theme was created alot of people complained about itT scrolling left ot right |
| 11:37.13 | chem|st | andrewfblack: pong |
| 11:37.26 | ShadowJK | "normal" crops images, "minimalist" scales them to postage stamp size.. I wonder what the classic ones do :D |
| 11:37.28 | pupnik | wants a clamshell N910 with 5-row kbd :) |
| 11:38.09 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, heh, users will complain about everything |
| 11:38.19 | MohammadAG | I still use the normal maemo.org theme |
| 11:38.44 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: I've learned that right now I have to adjust my minimalist theme because the rest of the web is to small on n900 |
| 11:39.11 | pupnik | andrewfblack: maybe you dont hear this enough but i think t.m.o is very good looking and functional |
| 11:39.12 | ShadowJK | thought minimalist theme had gigantic fonts on n900 |
| 11:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: you've seen the chan-topic? |
| 11:40.40 | MohammadAG | rickroll 1.2 thread, meh |
| 11:40.56 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, lol, that sounds awesome |
| 11:40.59 | MohammadAG | any mods online? it's getting pathetic |
| 11:41.05 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: now as you mentioned |
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| 11:41.37 | ghostcube | but there is no nokia channel to blame in -.- or? |
| 11:41.47 | crashanddie | ghostcube: there is |
| 11:41.49 | ghostcube | :O |
| 11:41.52 | crashanddie | ghostcube: /join #stfu |
| 11:42.00 | ghostcube | crashanddie: youre so funny |
| 11:42.05 | ghostcube | and all so ... YEAH!! |
| 11:42.09 | crashanddie | I try |
| 11:42.24 | Corsac | #stfu,0 ? |
| 11:42.25 | Corsac | :) |
| 11:42.30 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I expected you to tell him to join #nokia,PR |
| 11:42.36 | MohammadAG | Corsac, lol |
| 11:42.39 | Corsac | \o/ |
| 11:42.43 | crashanddie | I'm not that bad |
| 11:42.49 | Scelt | you're too mirc |
| 11:42.52 | MohammadAG | join 0 then |
| 11:43.10 | MohammadAG | nah, works on xchat too :P |
| 11:43.26 | Scelt | not in irssi |
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| 11:43.40 | Scelt | it joins the both channels separately |
| 11:43.41 | MohammadAG | never used it |
| 11:43.50 | wazd_e63 | Omg |
| 11:43.53 | MohammadAG | \o wazd_e63 |
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| 11:44.03 | chem|st | I <3 it, grep /dev/random >> t.m.o. |
| 11:44.07 | wazd_e63 | Meego will support n900 oficially :) |
| 11:44.14 | chem|st | wazd_e63: link pls |
| 11:44.22 | MohammadAG | I swear if that's a rumor... |
| 11:44.24 | ghostcube | havent this been announced already last week? |
| 11:44.43 | crashanddie | chem|st: cat |
| 11:44.47 | tybollt | wazd_e63: how is that not implied by the images on the site??? |
| 11:45.03 | *** mode/#maemo [+o MohammadAG] by ChanServ |
| 11:45.17 | tybollt | zOMG run!111 |
| 11:45.20 | wazd_e63 | Ok, dude is not so sure now :D |
| 11:45.31 | chem|st | crashanddie: right |
| 11:45.38 | *** mode/#maemo [-o MohammadAG] by ChanServ |
| 11:45.40 | wazd_e63 | I'm at the meego app framework keynote now |
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| 11:45.42 | frals | wazd_e63: you at FRUCT? |
| 11:45.49 | wazd_e63 | Frals: yep |
| 11:45.54 | frals | cool |
| 11:46.04 | tybollt | is he a frukt? :) |
| 11:46.05 | andrewfblack | pupnik: lol thanks but I don't do make theme thats Reggie :) |
| 11:46.08 | wazd_e63 | Crazy spanish dude's talking at 5000 wpm |
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| 11:46.44 | MohammadAG | * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MohammadAG |
| 11:46.49 | MohammadAG | what was that about lol |
| 11:46.50 | wazd_e63 | my brain can't keep up with him :) |
| 11:47.01 | tekojo | wazd_e63 who's talking? |
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| 11:47.17 | MohammadAG | thanks DocScrutinizer, but I'm not sure what that was for |
| 11:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 11:47.26 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I would've deopped myself :) |
| 11:47.35 | crashanddie | wazd_e63: that's just under a hundred words a second :P |
| 11:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | <MohammadAG> I swear if that's a rumor.. |
| 11:47.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I wouldn't kick wazd_e63 |
| 11:47.54 | tybollt | Mohammad the enforcer |
| 11:48.09 | wazd_e63 | Tekojo: I guess A. Yanes |
| 11:48.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure about that - just kidding ;-P |
| 11:48.12 | Scelt | if mountain doesn't come to MohammadAG |
| 11:48.24 | wazd_e63 | Tekojo: Foster failed to get to spb :D |
| 11:48.46 | wazd_e63 | Crashanddie: screw you :D |
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| 11:49.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, or maybe I would |
| 11:49.28 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 11:49.53 | crashanddie | let's see if you put your money where your mouth is |
| 11:49.59 | *** mode/#maemo [+o MohammadAG] by ChanServ |
| 11:50.02 | crashanddie | kick or be kicked |
| 11:50.07 | crashanddie | (there's only one right thing to do) |
| 11:50.13 | *** mode/#maemo [-o MohammadAG] by MohammadAG |
| 11:50.19 | crashanddie | failed |
| 11:50.52 | MohammadAG | I'd rather be like the rest of the 541 in here :) |
| 11:51.06 | crashanddie | yeah but you still failed |
| 11:51.11 | crashanddie | you should've made it 540 :P |
| 11:51.12 | MohammadAG | make that 530 |
| 11:51.14 | crashanddie | and kicked me :D |
| 11:51.26 | Corsac | I wouldn't have do that |
| 11:51.42 | Corsac | (facing the same choice ;) |
| 11:51.43 | MohammadAG | yeah, cause you really can't join and kb me back ;) |
| 11:52.00 | crashanddie | 21:50 Irssi: Starting query in FreeNode with DocScrutinizer |
| 11:52.01 | crashanddie | 21:50 <crashanddie> right thing: he should kick me |
| 11:52.01 | crashanddie | 21:50 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe |
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| 11:53.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, kick crashanddie for me :P |
| 11:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha |
| 11:54.31 | MohammadAG | waits for DocScrutinizer to kick crashanddie |
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| 11:54.45 | MohammadAG | I wonder if freenode runs like our server... |
| 11:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | "how high?" |
| 11:54.53 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, type !kick :P |
| 11:54.59 | crashanddie | !kick |
| 11:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | GOOOAAAAAAL |
| 11:55.21 | MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk, guess not |
| 11:55.26 | MohammadAG | lmao |
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| 11:55.48 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, op yourself and type !kick? |
| 11:55.53 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 11:55.57 | crashanddie | !kick |
| 11:56.03 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 11:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | lmao |
| 11:56.09 | MohammadAG | guess not |
| 11:56.15 | ShadowJK | ... |
| 11:56.34 | Villiny | Hey ShadowJK |
| 11:56.34 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> !kick |
| 11:56.36 | MohammadAG | * You have been kicked from #Haxnetwork by HaX (Requested (MohammadAG)) |
| 11:56.37 | wazd_e63 | you're all crazy here :) |
| 11:56.43 | mece | LAaahahaha |
| 11:56.46 | ShadowJK | rofl |
| 11:56.52 | Villiny | Have you found a way to have the phone measure the charge in the mugen battery? |
| 11:56.53 | MohammadAG | ~curse UnrealIRC |
| 11:56.53 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, UnrealIRC ! |
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| 11:57.09 | crashanddie | It's ircd seven |
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| 11:57.23 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, our server is UnrealIRC |
| 11:57.30 | ShadowJK | Villiny, well if you boot it "cold"-ish (20C or so) then the default meter is "usable", in that it moves... |
| 11:57.41 | MohammadAG | "running version Unreal3.2.8.1" |
| 11:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | HTH http://t0x.in/ircfreenode.html |
| 11:58.03 | Villiny | ShadowJK: so no fancy way of getting accurate mah and so forth? |
| 11:58.40 | ShadowJK | Villiny, well there's the bq27200 gas gauge chip, but it's calibrated for a 2000mAh battery (wtf?) by default :) |
| 11:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | really? |
| 11:59.27 | ShadowJK | well 2056mAh ;) |
| 11:59.31 | Villiny | Gas gauge? :P |
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| 11:59.49 | tybollt | fuel cells anyone? |
| 11:59.49 | ShadowJK | fuel gauge/gas gauge... |
| 12:00.19 | Villiny | well thank you and you lost me :) |
| 12:01.09 | ShadowJK | Villiny, basically it's a chip that measures all the current that goes in and out, and calculates mAh.. |
| 12:01.15 | MohammadAG | gives Villiny a GPS device with a compass that points south |
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| 12:01.41 | Villiny | ShadowJK: oh i see, cool... have you used this? |
| 12:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | SINGLE CELL Li-Ion AND Li-Pol BATTERY GAS GAUGE IC FOR PORTABLE |
| 12:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | APPLICATIONS (bqJUNIOR) |
| 12:01.54 | ShadowJK | Villiny, yes I have written a script for accessing it |
| 12:01.59 | MohammadAG | fixes DocScrutinizer's caps key |
| 12:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | call redirected to TI documentation sqad |
| 12:02.26 | ShadowJK | runs in x-terminal so it's obviously not very user friendly for non-linuxy types :) |
| 12:02.43 | Villiny | where can one get the hardware? :) |
| 12:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | ehh? |
| 12:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | buy a N900 |
| 12:03.11 | SpeedEvil | Also - the bq* is set for the wrong end of charge voltage. |
| 12:03.14 | Villiny | oh so the chip is present? |
| 12:03.26 | ShadowJK | yes it's present but it's not used very much for anything |
| 12:03.35 | Villiny | ah cool |
| 12:03.40 | SpeedEvil | The device turns off when the bq% thinks it has 6.25% left |
| 12:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | of FSCK |
| 12:04.03 | Villiny | sorry i just woke up... okay so this script of yours can access the chip and give a more accurate reading? where can i get the script? |
| 12:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | OH even |
| 12:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no kidding? |
| 12:04.37 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so if it's at 100% and it *thinks* it's at 6.25 it shuts down? |
| 12:05.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no |
| 12:05.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: the n900 shuts down at the voltage which the bq* has been configured to expect the battery to be at 6.25% charge |
| 12:05.46 | ShadowJK | villager, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.tar |
| 12:05.48 | ShadowJK | oops |
| 12:05.51 | ShadowJK | Villiny: ^ |
| 12:05.54 | ShadowJK | villager: sorry |
| 12:05.54 | Villiny | :) thanks! |
| 12:06.06 | ShadowJK | Villiny, put it in a directory somewhere. Go there /as root/, ./bq27200.sh |
| 12:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's not how bq27x00 works though |
| 12:06.19 | Villiny | got a 404 |
| 12:06.20 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 12:06.23 | ShadowJK | hm, sec |
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| 12:06.34 | Villiny | i went to folder root |
| 12:06.41 | ShadowJK | bq.tar yeah |
| 12:06.43 | Villiny | it's bq.tar |
| 12:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | bq.tar,gz |
| 12:06.46 | Villiny | yes. |
| 12:06.50 | ShadowJK | no .gz |
| 12:07.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - it is - evdf1 is supposed to be the battery voltage at which the system has 6.25% charge - evdf2 is supposed to be the hard-shutdown voltage |
| 12:07.30 | Villiny | needs i2cget too? |
| 12:07.32 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: howver - it shutsdown at evdf1 - |
| 12:08.16 | ShadowJK | villager, it's in the .tar |
| 12:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: if the capacity counter is reaching 6.25% at a batvoltg of 4.1V, it as well jumps to 0% afaik |
| 12:09.01 | Villiny | ok :) |
| 12:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | we did exactly this HUGE oopsie in FSO for gta02, and ended with standby times of 3h |
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| 12:09.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the n900 shuts down at evdf1 - not below this. It needs to be below this in order that the bq* will learn a new capacity |
| 12:10.00 | SpeedEvil | it never does |
| 12:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | it is WRONG!!! to shutdown system based on bq27x00 estimations of remaining capacity |
| 12:10.04 | SpeedEvil | (at least for me) |
| 12:10.08 | SpeedEvil | I'm not saying it does |
| 12:10.17 | SpeedEvil | I'm saying it shuts down at the same voltage as evdf1 |
| 12:10.29 | SpeedEvil | so the new battery capacity is never learned |
| 12:10.30 | Villiny | getting permission denied here ShadowJK |
| 12:10.47 | ShadowJK | are you root? |
| 12:10.47 | SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/bq.tar is a mirror |
| 12:10.49 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 12:10.52 | SpeedEvil | ignore me |
| 12:10.53 | Villiny | yes im root |
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| 12:11.09 | ShadowJK | Did you save it under MyDocs? |
| 12:11.12 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: do you have the bq27x00_battery module loaded? If so - unload it |
| 12:11.14 | Villiny | i used winscp as root to move it to mydocs |
| 12:11.16 | SpeedEvil | Oh - that too |
| 12:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | chmod a+x ./I2* |
| 12:12.05 | MohammadAG | can MyDocs (VFAT) handle +x? |
| 12:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: vfat fs is mounted noexec |
| 12:12.15 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 12:12.20 | ShadowJK | Yeah it wont work in MyDocs.. move the bq.tar to /home/user/, 'tar -xf bq.tar', './bq27200.sh' for a dump, './bq27200.sh 5' for a periodicly updating statusline |
| 12:12.42 | Villiny | ok |
| 12:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | and never look into it, it's mindboggling script ;-P |
| 12:14.28 | Khertan | lol the topics ! |
| 12:14.30 | Villiny | ah now it works |
| 12:14.35 | Villiny | thanks ShadowJK :) |
| 12:14.40 | ShadowJK | Why, it's perfectly sane to do bitwise shifts and bitwise AND using bash algebra |
| 12:14.48 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone had their bq* learn battery capacity - with a non mugen battery? |
| 12:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | here's a similar one, though needs bash and isn't adapted to work wit I2Ctools: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail |
| 12:14.51 | ShadowJK | villager, hey wanna paste the output of './bq27200.sh' somewhere? |
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| 12:14.58 | Villiny | which value am i interested in? |
| 12:15.13 | ShadowJK | villager, ah, NAC maybe |
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| 12:15.33 | Villiny | okay, whats the most efficient way to copy off the text in the terminal? |
| 12:15.55 | SpeedEvil | Also the mA number - this is the current battery |
| 12:16.06 | SpeedEvil | There is also a kernel module - in the 'power user' kernel. |
| 12:16.12 | SpeedEvil | bq27x00_battery |
| 12:16.20 | ShadowJK | There are two icons with arrows on the x-terminal toolbar. One has a rectangle around it which switches fullscreen/windows. THe other activates a pointer with which you can paint text. Then you can choose copy from the titlebar menu |
| 12:16.37 | SpeedEvil | this only reads out the capacity%, voltage, and instantaneous current thoguh. And temperature |
| 12:16.38 | Villiny | ah right you are |
| 12:16.47 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: setup ssh - ssh into phone |
| 12:16.51 | Villiny | my mA is jumping around |
| 12:16.57 | Villiny | i have ssh |
| 12:17.01 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: it's sampled every 5s |
| 12:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's pretty expected behaviour |
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| 12:17.17 | ShadowJK | "mA" measures the current consumption or charging |
| 12:17.20 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: It will usually jump around unless the device is deeply in standby |
| 12:17.29 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you're assuming rs=20? |
| 12:17.32 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 12:17.58 | ShadowJK | ILMD looked right with RS=30, but everything else looked wrong |
| 12:18.07 | SpeedEvil | Maybe my phone is wierd. |
| 12:18.14 | SpeedEvil | I'm up to 90 cycles with no learn |
| 12:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you never did that probing with constant current? |
| 12:18.28 | Villiny | ShadowJK: any particular time of use before i give you the log or you just interested in the initial output? |
| 12:18.47 | ShadowJK | Villiny, oh the initial output of the "dump" version './bq27200.sh' |
| 12:18.52 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: My soldering iron broke - I need to fix it |
| 12:18.55 | Villiny | roger |
| 12:19.02 | crashanddie | frank |
| 12:19.10 | mece | george |
| 12:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | olaf |
| 12:19.17 | crashanddie | marc |
| 12:19.20 | ShadowJK | Villiny, actually i'm interested in "Last Measured Discharge" and "Cycle Count since learning" lines :P |
| 12:19.25 | tybollt | karl |
| 12:19.37 | Villiny | http://pastebin.com/zazbAihP |
| 12:19.50 | frals | i love when paypal sends me an email "donation received" \o/ |
| 12:20.03 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, see, his N900 has completed a learning cycle :-) |
| 12:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: there's a simpler way: bq | pastebinit - |
| 12:20.26 | Villiny | ShadowJK: third charge - just woke up and disconnected charger and have been listening to last.fm via vagalume via wlan to drain the battery a bit |
| 12:20.54 | Villiny | DocScrutinizer: the device can output it there directly?Ã cool :) |
| 12:20.59 | ShadowJK | 1779 = 2056 (default) - 2056 / 8 (maximum learn-down per learning cycle) |
| 12:21.24 | Villiny | i messed up my irssi |
| 12:21.24 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: http://pastebin.com/hjm7YRw3 |
| 12:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: even: bq | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 12:22.19 | SpeedEvil | vill: you've got a stock battery? |
| 12:22.25 | ShadowJK | Villiny, so if this is the default nokia battery it'll actually go empty at around 30% or so, if it's the mugen battery it'll run for ages after reaching 6.25% |
| 12:22.28 | Villiny | SpeedEvil: no thats the mugen |
| 12:22.31 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 12:22.44 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, but his learning cycle happened before the mugen, if he only did one cycle on mugen |
| 12:22.59 | SpeedEvil | that's a point |
| 12:23.08 | ShadowJK | 1965 = 2056 minus aging algorithm? :) |
| 12:23.11 | Villiny | ShadowJK: should i "learn" it the mugen somehow? |
| 12:23.16 | SpeedEvil | how long after getting the phone did you bigger battery? |
| 12:23.26 | Villiny | 1.5 weeks? |
| 12:23.44 | ShadowJK | Villiny, it's kinda tricky.. it disqualifies "extreme" changes... |
| 12:24.03 | Villiny | oh k |
| 12:24.44 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: of mine - Last Measured Discharge: 1965 mAh - ... |
| 12:24.48 | Villiny | so anything you would recommend me to do? |
| 12:24.49 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: that's with a rs=20 |
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| 12:25.33 | SpeedEvil | has doubts. |
| 12:25.36 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I guess that's 90 cycles and the aging algorithm that drops last measured discharge with time |
| 12:25.52 | SpeedEvil | oh - LMD isn't LMD |
| 12:25.55 | ShadowJK | should extract the aging parameters at some point |
| 12:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | (<ShadowJK> Villiny, so if this is the default nokia battery it'll actually go empty at around 30%) will result in learning cycle and be corrected from there on |
| 12:26.19 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 12:26.38 | SpeedEvil | last 'measured' was 90 cycles ago - right |
| 12:26.48 | SpeedEvil | The others were always disqualified |
| 12:27.30 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, well if you're lucky... The learning threshold voltage is 3248, and it disqualifies "big" changes.. and the shutdown voltage is 3200mV.. It needs to stay below 3248, but above 3200 for several seconds.. If it dips below 3200 and triggers shutdown, the voltage will rise when the N900 is no longer eating power.. |
| 12:27.31 | SpeedEvil | yeah- CI=1 |
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| 12:27.44 | SpeedEvil | I've never had a measurement below 3240 |
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| 12:28.01 | iPeter- | Does any1 know when new update comes 4 maemo 5? |
| 12:28.07 | ShadowJK | Last log you pasted you were at like 350mA consumption rate too :P |
| 12:28.11 | ShadowJK | iPeter-, no. |
| 12:28.16 | iPeter- | :< |
| 12:28.31 | Villiny | ShadowJK: anything else i could do now? im a little confused with everything :) |
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| 12:28.36 | mece | iPeter-, also, you missed 2 and 3 |
| 12:29.00 | iPeter- | mece: ? |
| 12:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the shutdown should have a decent debounce time as welkl |
| 12:29.11 | SpeedEvil | 14:26 3253 36 36 -321 477 477 477 65535 89 292 0 |
| 12:29.11 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.31 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, it drops too fast at that rate ;) |
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| 12:29.44 | ShadowJK | My only successful calibration cycles have been with ~100mA consumption |
| 12:29.54 | mece | nothing, just making fun of the use of numbers. Perhaps "any 1 want 2 know wh3n new update comes 4 maemo 5?" |
| 12:30.21 | iPeter- | mece: Yeah, i dont usually do that, but now i felt i have to be "cool" :D |
| 12:30.28 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: 15:48 3349 35 35 -66 461 461 461 65535 416 290 0 |
| 12:30.28 | SpeedEvil | 15:48 3311 35 35 -111 461 461 461 65535 248 290 0 |
| 12:30.28 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.33 | Psi | iPeter-: to answer your question, yes, someone does know |
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| 12:30.43 | mece | iPeter-, :D |
| 12:30.54 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, there is a way to write a capacity into bq27200... |
| 12:30.55 | Psi | if they are here or not, and if they are going to tell you is another matter |
| 12:30.57 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: the 150ma (I had rs=30 here) spike is due to the battery shutoff scripts running |
| 12:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: reading topic is cool |
| 12:31.03 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: with a vp pulse of 27v |
| 12:31.08 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: No it isnt :< |
| 12:31.18 | iPeter- | OMFG |
| 12:31.24 | iPeter- | Maybe it would be cool |
| 12:31.28 | iPeter- | to read the topic, lol. |
| 12:31.35 | ShadowJK | Villiny, I think you need about 2 or 3 cycles, with luck, to make it calibrate itself.. it's not easy :D |
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| 12:32.06 | gevaerts | Is there a way to record video (or stills) from the front camera on n900? |
| 12:32.12 | ShadowJK | bbl, going to go pick up my rc heli sim :D |
| 12:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so, no there's not |
| 12:32.19 | Villiny | cycles being discharge and charge? |
| 12:32.25 | Psi | ShadowJK: realflight ? |
| 12:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: yep |
| 12:32.33 | ShadowJK | Psi, no :( |
| 12:32.38 | Villiny | ok :) |
| 12:32.44 | X-Fade | Realflight rocks :) |
| 12:32.51 | Psi | yeah |
| 12:33.05 | ShadowJK | Psi, basically I bought the esky sim because I get the controller.. (I have /NO/ rc stuff at all right now) |
| 12:33.25 | iPeter- | Hey, could someone give a link how to complete backup phone, (calendar contacts, softwares etc.) and then reflash it. I think my maemo 5 is messed up. |
| 12:33.35 | crashanddie | ~pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. |
| 12:33.36 | infobot | crashanddie: okay |
| 12:33.37 | ShadowJK | Then I'm planning to get the esky honeybee fp once I can fly sims |
| 12:33.40 | X-Fade | Psi: Saves me 10k a night when trying out new 3d moves :) |
| 12:33.50 | Psi | hah yeah |
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| 12:34.12 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: what volts do you see your shutdowns script kicking in at? |
| 12:34.49 | ShadowJK | iirc I've seen 3210 |
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| 12:35.07 | ShadowJK | but that was probably with device "idle" |
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| 12:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, I hope bq27200 percentage isn't used to shut down system :-( |
| 12:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke bme |
| 12:36.10 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at bme ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
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| 12:36.46 | Psi | damn that topic is long |
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| 12:37.13 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, hah, it's not |
| 12:37.15 | SpeedEvil | ~3300 looks to me |
| 12:37.27 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 12:37.30 | ShadowJK | I've had bq sitting at 0% for half a day |
| 12:37.34 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: was this with the mugen? |
| 12:37.40 | tybollt | ± |
| 12:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: pffft OK |
| 12:37.47 | gevaerts | ah, healthcheck does that |
| 12:37.50 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, no that was with original battery |
| 12:37.58 | ShadowJK | no wait |
| 12:38.01 | ShadowJK | yeah it was with mugen |
| 12:38.04 | MohammadAG | gevaerts, does what? |
| 12:38.21 | SpeedEvil | Instantaneous spike to <3200 maybe? |
| 12:38.23 | gevaerts | MohammadAG: take still images using the front side camera |
| 12:38.32 | MohammadAG | oh |
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| 12:38.56 | ShadowJK | yeah I had better luck in offline mode... |
| 12:38.58 | ShadowJK | less spikes I guess |
| 12:39.29 | SpeedEvil | /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video1 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/fronttest$x$y.png |
| 12:39.35 | SpeedEvil | gevaerts: |
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| 12:39.53 | Psi | takes a note of that line |
| 12:40.12 | Khertan | i've heard last time someone have install qt4.6 on pr1.1.1 ... does he is in the room ? |
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| 12:40.41 | X-Fade | Khertan: qt4-maemo5 in -devel |
| 12:40.43 | achipa | qt4.6 as in libqt4-devel or ? |
| 12:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: you might be interested in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/batlog.txt.odf |
| 12:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | see the comments in the last col of the table |
| 12:41.27 | SpeedEvil | Ok - that seems to be getting a black pic |
| 12:41.42 | SpeedEvil | what's an odf? |
| 12:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | OOo calc |
| 12:41.51 | crashanddie | odd file |
| 12:41.52 | Khertan | X-Fade: it s qt 4.5 in extras-devel, isn't it ? |
| 12:41.53 | tybollt | open document format |
| 12:42.01 | X-Fade | Khertan: no |
| 12:42.02 | tybollt | or sommat? |
| 12:42.10 | Khertan | oh ... thx for the information |
| 12:42.12 | X-Fade | Khertan: 4.6.2 |
| 12:42.13 | mece | Khertan, 4.6.2 |
| 12:42.30 | gevaerts | SpeedEvil: thanks! |
| 12:42.37 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, presumably that's freerunner? |
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| 12:42.52 | Khertan | i think qt4.6 will be release with pr1.2 |
| 12:42.54 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, do you know the EDV1 threshold on that? |
| 12:42.54 | Khertan | thx |
| 12:42.56 | achipa | Khertan: note that 4.6.2 on PR1.1 is not quite the same as 4.6.2 on PR1.2 |
| 12:43.07 | Khertan | ? |
| 12:43.13 | crashanddie | achipa: now how would you know that? :) |
| 12:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: not off top of my head |
| 12:43.28 | Khertan | achipa: ? example ? |
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| 12:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, FR GTA02 battery, bq27000 |
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| 12:44.00 | achipa | crashanddie: because the Trolls said so on the Maemo5 platform specifics page |
| 12:44.01 | achipa | :) |
| 12:44.05 | achipa | Khertan: http://doc.trolltech.com/qt-maemo-4.6/platform-notes-maemo5.html |
| 12:44.11 | achipa | towards the end of the page |
| 12:44.17 | Khertan | achipa: thx |
| 12:44.24 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it looks like bq2700 in fta02 battery has sane parameters in eeprom... :-) |
| 12:44.25 | achipa | mostly styling issues, but might be a catch or two |
| 12:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: somewhat, yes |
| 12:44.49 | javispedro | heh, auto orientation is fixed by the pr1.2 hildon-desktop |
| 12:44.54 | ShadowJK | nokia bq27200 looks a bit clinically insane or just "meh, just use whatever is TI default" |
| 12:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 12:45.22 | Khertan | achipa: mostly not a problem for dev on device. Thx |
| 12:45.34 | ShadowJK | anyway, bbl |
| 12:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | they probably never planned to use the functions that need eeprom presets |
| 12:46.06 | achipa | Khertan: I think the only 'real' issue is the autoorientation one |
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| 12:46.19 | achipa | other than that, I guess you're ok |
| 12:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | runs for another coffee |
| 12:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.2 |
| 12:46.46 | infobot | methinks pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. |
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| 12:47.12 | mece | ~pr1.2 |
| 12:47.12 | infobot | pr1.2 is probably not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. |
| 12:47.17 | mece | bwuahaha. nice one. |
| 12:47.40 | Anss| | asking what? |
| 12:48.16 | Khertan | achipa: i ll implement it when everything else will be done |
| 12:48.35 | Khertan | and as my soft is far from finished ... i think pr1.2 will be release during this time :) |
| 12:48.42 | achipa | :) |
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| 12:50.39 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Surely with the initial discharge set to 2056 - the battery will never actuall learn - with the stock nokia |
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| 12:50.40 | mece | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.04 | SpeedEvil | hopes the handwriting recog can be perverted |
| 12:51.08 | auenf | far east release requires PR1.2 iirc |
| 12:51.36 | mece | apparently so, but still. There seems to be some buzz about it at least. |
| 12:52.17 | auenf | and does .au come under your description of 'far east' ? |
| 12:52.24 | mece | dunno. |
| 12:52.35 | mece | I only heard about hong kong and philippines |
| 12:53.13 | mece | ok there goes a n900 tweet from hong kong :) |
| 12:53.27 | mece | "First tweet from Nokia N900, still can't type Chinese in apps" |
| 12:53.35 | Khertan | hum strange ... i ve some depandancy issues with PyQt :( |
| 12:53.48 | mece | Khertan, yep. It's the pr1.2 |
| 12:53.52 | mece | I fixed it with... |
| 12:53.58 | mece | waitup I'll check how I did it. |
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| 12:54.57 | mece | Khertan, ok it was pyside, but should be same problem for pyqt. |
| 12:55.18 | Khertan | for pyside it s the same |
| 12:55.32 | mece | I did apt-get install pyside-qt4-core=0.2.3-1maemo3 |
| 12:55.36 | mece | it worked. |
| 12:55.40 | E0x | oh , hp buy palm |
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| 12:56.07 | Khertan | prefer pyside but just hope that in 0.3.0 QHightliting is working |
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| 12:57.37 | crashanddie | anyone know where I can download the PyMaemo and PyGTK documentation for offline mode? |
| 12:57.49 | crashanddie | I'm going to be spending 35h on planes, so I might as well be ready |
| 12:58.09 | MohammadAG_ | I use wget -m |
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| 13:00.10 | achipa | Khertan: what issues ? (pyqt) |
| 13:01.33 | Khertan | achipa: using Pyside on QSyntaxHilighting i didn't see any hilighting |
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| 13:01.47 | Khertan | changing the import by PyQt4, it s works |
| 13:01.48 | Khertan | :) |
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| 13:02.45 | achipa | :) |
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| 13:04.36 | namus | I have fremantle platform on N900 ,how can start running qt progs on this one ? |
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| 13:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: >> In the event that some abnormal situation occurs that could cause a significant reduction in learned capacity, the LMD value is restricted to a maximum LMD learn-down during any single learning discharge of LMD/8<< |
| 13:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: IN THE EVENT THAT |
| 13:06.28 | SpeedEvil | But if the capacity is >lmd/8 different - it will never surely learn? |
| 13:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I read this like under normal conditions not disqualifying the learning cycle, it may readjust to larger offsets than LMD*1,125 |
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| 13:08.15 | pronto | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWPNNBepBUw&feature=player_embedded oh awesome \o/ |
| 13:08.25 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - it's unclear. |
| 13:08.51 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Does 'restricted' mean 'cycle disqualified' - or 'will only go down by 1/8' |
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| 13:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | as many of the more internal details of bq27x00 are :-S |
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| 13:09.52 | SpeedEvil | bothers TI about it. |
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| 13:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like a plan |
| 13:14.20 | tybollt | guess speedevil got the pen out olready - cause there's gonna be a whole lota NDA signed :) |
| 13:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | actually it may have 3 meanings: a) on detection of exception condition, LMD may adjust not more than 1/8 b) on LMD adjustment resulting in >1/8 it is limited to 1/8 c) on LMD adjustment resulting in >1/8 the LMD adjsutment is discarded |
| 13:15.04 | tybollt | "Hi, is this TI receptionist?" -Sorry, can't comment - you have to sign an NDA before I can comment any further... |
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| 13:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: nah, chances are they will ignore him. But they won't need a NDA signed to answer if that statement actually means a) b) c) or what else |
| 13:16.06 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: put you money where you mouth is :-) Ten dollars, shall we say? |
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| 13:16.42 | gevaerts | You'll need an NDA before they'll confirm if the question makes sense |
| 13:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | that would imply I deal with TI myself, to make sure the request is polite and reasonable. So, no - to low a wage/h |
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| 13:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | considering the datasheet for bq27x00 is freely available, I really doubt there's any NDA involved for asking a simple question about it |
| 13:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: waaah, and then ask me to create a paypal account so you can send the 10 bucks? NOOOO WAY |
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| 13:26.02 | maddler | hey all |
| 13:26.15 | maddler | anyone on OpenSuse 11.2? |
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| 13:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: >> If EDV1 = 1 occurs when NAC > LMD/16, NAC = LMD/16 will be forced.<< |
| 13:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, on second thought that doesn't help much |
| 13:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
| 13:30.03 | X-Fade | maddler: What do you want to know? |
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| 13:30.27 | SpeedEvil | http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/battery_management/f/180/p/43737/152828.aspx#152828 |
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| 13:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: btw ILMD is (1)Divide by Rs in milliohms to convert µV to mA or µVh to mAh. |
| 13:32.26 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, in practice I noticed with original nokia battery that it learned it in steps of LMD/8 until reaching the right result |
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| 13:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | and R/W, whatever that means for EEPROM |
| 13:32.47 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, hm, do I do something different now? |
| 13:33.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 13:33.55 | SpeedEvil | no, you don't |
| 13:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: dunno, but at least it might be random bogus EEPROM setting, or your assumption of Rs is erroneous |
| 13:34.10 | ShadowJK | ILMD=$(($ILMD * 913920 / $RS / 1000)) |
| 13:34.13 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's not _that_ erroneous |
| 13:34.25 | ShadowJK | At first I set RS so that ILMD came out as 1320.. |
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| 13:35.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I get 850mAh- integrating assuming rs=20 - but that was from ~90% capacity |
| 13:35.24 | SpeedEvil | So 1000mAh is probably not insane |
| 13:35.50 | ShadowJK | I get 2300-2400 integrating mugen battery assuming rs=20 :-) |
| 13:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I don't follow the math in your heads. Just pointing at it |
| 13:36.16 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 13:36.32 | SpeedEvil | And added to the fact that that's terminating at 3.3V, starting at 4.14V even at 100%, and it's 90 cycles in, makes the stated 1250mAh capacity about right |
| 13:37.00 | SpeedEvil | that reminds me, I need to put my spare battery in the freezer |
| 13:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. I have not the slightest idea aBOUT THE RAW VALUES AND WHAT THEY MIGHT INDICATE IN WHICH SITUATION WITH WHICH BATTERY AND rS |
| 13:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | ooops sorry capslock |
| 13:37.33 | ShadowJK | I convert all the raw values to real units |
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| 13:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 13:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | and zhat's my point |
| 13:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | script reports 2056 |
| 13:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | ILMD |
| 13:38.31 | ShadowJK | If you want it to say 1320 change RS to 31 at the top :-) |
| 13:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | and that's after applying a Rs of, err. 20mR? |
| 13:38.50 | Villiny | ah back to battery discussion |
| 13:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: we never left the topic ;-P |
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| 13:39.25 | Villiny | good :) |
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| 13:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | prods SpeedEvil to fix his soldering iron, so we get decent numbers based on tests at last |
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| 13:40.06 | Villiny | my mA shows -200~--500~ in the sh script ShadowJK, what am i supposed to look at to get ANY idea of whats going on? :) |
| 13:40.11 | SpeedEvil | 20mR is the datasheet suggested |
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| 13:40.26 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: 200mA means it will discharge fully in around 6h |
| 13:40.28 | Villiny | thats minus two hundred ish to minus five hundred ish |
| 13:40.40 | SpeedEvil | -500 means it will charge in about 2 hours |
| 13:40.46 | RST38bis | EHLO PUNKS |
| 13:40.46 | ShadowJK | discharge |
| 13:40.51 | SpeedEvil | The battery capacity is around 1.2 amp-hours or so |
| 13:40.52 | javispedro | moo RST38bis |
| 13:40.56 | ShadowJK | unless I reversed the sign.. |
| 13:40.57 | SpeedEvil | 1200mAh |
| 13:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | hi rst-punk |
| 13:41.15 | Villiny | SpeedEvil: but this is the 2400 mugen one, still :) |
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| 13:42.16 | SpeedEvil | It can supply 10mA for 120 hours (deepest standby) or 200mA for 6 hours |
| 13:42.17 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, if RS=30 is at the top of the script, than all calculations will be done with the assumption that the bq27200 sense resistor is 20mOhm |
| 13:42.17 | Villiny | ah so i's the current usage then? |
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| 13:42.17 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you mean 20 |
| 13:42.17 | RST38bis | javispedro: How are things? =) |
| 13:42.17 | ShadowJK | uh yeha |
| 13:42.17 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: yes |
| 13:42.18 | ShadowJK | I mean I haven't hardcoded 20 anywhere |
| 13:42.18 | SpeedEvil | 1272115415 91% 2mA 4016mV 1150000 0 1100000 0 1000000 0 950000 0 900000 0 850000 0 805000 0 750000 0 700000 0 600000 1771500 550000 51827 500000 2184467 250000 30466149 125000 0 |
| 13:42.18 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | needs some UV to build up vitamine D ;-P |
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| 13:43.02 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.03 | SpeedEvil | 13:04 3923 85 85 -148 1123 1120 1120 65535 451 302 0 |
| 13:43.04 | ShadowJK | unix time :-) |
| 13:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah, I scrutinized the script thoroughly |
| 13:44.13 | ShadowJK | Villiny, "NAC" column is estimated remaining capacity in mAh. RSOC/CSOC is estimated remaining battery in percent |
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| 13:44.19 | SpeedEvil | this means that at 13:04 - the battery voltage was 3.923 volts (it varies between about 4.14 fully charged to 3.2 empty), the state of charge was 85% (and the load compensated state of charge was also 85%) - the drain from the battery is 148mA - it will discharge in about 5h |
| 13:44.24 | SpeedEvil | err 8h |
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| 13:44.38 | Villiny | thanks ShadowJK :] |
| 13:44.55 | SpeedEvil | TTF is 65536 indicating it is not charging |
| 13:45.12 | SpeedEvil | and tte time to empty is 451 - meaning it thinks it's 451 minutes till empty. |
| 13:45.22 | SpeedEvil | temp is 302 kelving - about 32c |
| 13:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | RSOC and CSOC never seen to differ |
| 13:45.38 | SpeedEvil | They sometimes do |
| 13:45.44 | SpeedEvil | 13:06 3769 85 84 -531 1114 1103 1103 65535 124 304 0 |
| 13:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | 65535 means NAN |
| 13:45.50 | Villiny | theeeere we go |
| 13:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | so <invalid> |
| 13:46.01 | Villiny | 800 mA usage |
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| 13:46.50 | BCMM | i have seen several packages that cannot be installed because various Qt libs are missing |
| 13:47.06 | BCMM | are those packages that will work with the next version of maemo, or is there a way to install Qt? |
| 13:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | runs away, screaming |
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| 13:47.45 | Villiny | with bounce, vagalume and maps and joikuspot running at the same time i can get the power usage near 900 :) |
| 13:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: alarmed -> qt4.6.2 missing :-/ |
| 13:47.54 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: from me? |
| 13:48.13 | ShadowJK | BCMM, if there are uninstabllable packages in extras, then it's a bug. Otheriwise, well, I guess the disclaimer about extras-testing and extras-devel possibly being broken came true |
| 13:48.14 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: you forgot recording a movie |
| 13:48.27 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, O |
| 13:48.38 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I've seen CSOC and RSOC differ :) |
| 13:48.39 | BCMM | ShadowJK: i'm not too knowledgable about debian... |
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| 13:48.45 | ShadowJK | Need some 600+ mA load for it though |
| 13:48.54 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip |
| 13:48.55 | BCMM | i'm trying to install FreOffice |
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| 13:49.03 | BCMM | it is from extras-devel |
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| 13:49.14 | ShadowJK | BCMM, so basically at this point many things in extras-testing and extras-devel will only work with the next version of the firmware. |
| 13:49.33 | X-Fade | BCMM that is for PR1.2 only. |
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| 13:49.39 | javispedro | RST38bis: moving nicely. you? |
| 13:49.41 | BCMM | it wants libqt4-* >= 4.6.2~git20100224 |
| 13:49.43 | Villiny | okay i got it up to 1050 with the movie SpeedEvil - so thats 1A usage eh? |
| 13:49.51 | X-Fade | BCMM: Especially written for PR1.2 |
| 13:49.58 | BCMM | X-Fade: thanks |
| 13:50.04 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: yes |
| 13:50.09 | BCMM | X-Fade: i don't actually know how that numbering system works |
| 13:50.12 | BCMM | X-Fade: what is PR1.2? |
| 13:50.18 | ShadowJK | Villiny, is that with 3g data on? :-) |
| 13:50.21 | SpeedEvil | Villiny: FM transmitter/bluetooth on too. |
| 13:50.37 | X-Fade | BCMM: Changelog even says just that: " * Upgraded control to require newer library versions." |
| 13:50.47 | ShadowJK | MLI: 1029 mA MLTTE: 74 minutes |
| 13:50.57 | javispedro | BCMM: PR1.2 is the next firmware release; if apps use newer firmware features there's not much to do. |
| 13:51.00 | Villiny | ShadowJK: listening to last.fm with it while it's sharing that 3g via wlan with joikuspot :) |
| 13:51.01 | BCMM | X-Fade: how do you find the changelog? |
| 13:51.05 | ShadowJK | Max Load Current.. it gets adjusted upwards when you break a new record, then it's slowly reduced :) |
| 13:51.16 | BCMM | javispedro: so pr1.2 is not released yet? |
| 13:51.18 | X-Fade | BCMM: Changelog is in the package. |
| 13:51.20 | javispedro | nope. |
| 13:51.37 | X-Fade | BCMM: And visible here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/freoffice/0.2-4/ |
| 13:51.41 | RST38bis | javispedro: Very busy and wishing to kill everyone around. |
| 13:51.59 | javispedro | passes some ammo around |
| 13:52.29 | lcuk | replaces the ammo with bacon |
| 13:52.37 | javispedro | eats the ammo |
| 13:53.03 | BCMM | eats the maemo |
| 13:53.24 | BCMM | so is there a release date for PR1.2, or is it "when it's done"? |
| 13:53.31 | javispedro | 2012 |
| 13:53.48 | X-Fade | Possibly even earlier ;) |
| 13:54.04 | javispedro | and read the topic before DocS notices |
| 13:54.05 | BCMM | when it happens, does one just get it like a normal software update? |
| 13:54.06 | fcrozat | everytime somebody asks for PR 1.2, release date is pushed one day further.. |
| 13:55.26 | gevaerts | Is PR1.1 ready? |
| 13:55.29 | BCMM | what the wiki says "PR 1.1.1 was the preparatory release for PR1.2", do they mean that it's sort of like an RC, or like the last bugfix release to the previous version? |
| 13:55.29 | javispedro | because god kills a pr1.2 developer and tester? |
| 13:56.04 | Villiny | SpeedEvil: isn't there a limit to how much power i want it to drain so that it doesn't damage itself :P |
| 13:56.08 | Villiny | it IS running overclocked... |
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| 13:57.09 | Villiny | heat wise that is |
| 13:57.22 | Villiny | and are the camera leds built to withstand longer periods of being on? |
| 13:57.30 | Villiny | or do they get damaged if they are on constantly? |
| 13:58.03 | kamui | can I have PR 1.2? |
| 13:58.03 | Gizmokid2005 | (hopefully) a simple question. Does anyone know where conversation's SMS messages are stored? |
| 13:58.06 | kamui | :-D |
| 13:58.22 | Gizmokid2005 | kamui: absolutely not. Now we have to wait ANOTHER week because you asked... *sigh* :P |
| 13:58.27 | Villiny | kamui, lucid lynx came out today so go have fun with that for a while :) |
| 13:58.46 | BCMM | so what exactly is a "firmware update" in this context? Like a new minor distro version? |
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| 13:58.53 | Villiny | oh cool, my laptops been running memtest for 20 hours... whoops :/ |
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| 13:59.30 | javispedro | news break: they're planning to skip 1.2 and update straight to PR1.3. Changelog: mana generators in phone application! -- estimated release date: 2048 |
| 13:59.43 | javispedro | (subject to further delays) |
| 13:59.45 | sheepbat | baa? |
| 13:59.50 | BCMM | 2^11 |
| 13:59.57 | RST38bis | PR1.3 WILL BE POWERED BY PONIES |
| 14:00.12 | Villiny | either that or built up suspension |
| 14:01.08 | kamui | Gizmokid2005, first of all, I only extended the release date by 1 DAY |
| 14:01.10 | Villiny | is there any practical difference in charging the battery with the phone "off" and "on" ? |
| 14:01.12 | kamui | :) |
| 14:01.18 | kamui | thats it, I don't have any more points |
| 14:01.34 | Gizmokid2005 | kamui: LIES! |
| 14:01.35 | ToJa92 | [Villiny]: It probably charges faster with the phone "off" |
| 14:01.37 | javispedro | phone off == phone on in usb storage mode |
| 14:01.53 | javispedro | but less chances that you leave a cpu heavy application on |
| 14:01.56 | Villiny | i mean for the battery |
| 14:02.18 | Villiny | does it like... start charging it slightly dumber or something? or is it as big brothered as when charging in the booted os |
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| 14:02.49 | javispedro | it boots the OS -- it doesn't allow you to run applications so as I said less chances you leave a cpu heavy application running |
| 14:03.13 | Villiny | right well, thank you |
| 14:03.43 | Gizmokid2005 | (hopefully) a simple question. Does anyone know where conversation's SMS messages are stored? Bueller? |
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| 14:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: |
| 14:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pyside-qt4-maemo5: |
| 14:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.51 | X-Fade | Gizmokid2005: sqlite db in home dir. |
| 14:05.47 | Gizmokid2005 | X-Fade: apparently not apended with .sqlite? |
| 14:05.50 | Gizmokid2005 | *appended |
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| 14:07.56 | BCMM | is it still possible to install the old version of freoffice? |
| 14:08.27 | Villiny | Gizmokid2005: i found this : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34057 |
| 14:09.00 | Gizmokid2005 | Villiny: Thanks. I just found that file with grep |
| 14:09.11 | Villiny | cool :) |
| 14:09.46 | Gizmokid2005 | I just want to copy it to my desktop and check to see how many SMS I've managed to build up since I last deleted this conversation |
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| 14:10.53 | Gizmokid2005 | I mean, it's /only/ 2MB |
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| 14:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke pr1.2 autobuilder shit |
| 14:14.35 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at pr1.2 autobuilder shit ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 14:14.39 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
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| 14:14.50 | Villiny | can you do a select from both of them and compare the lines amount? |
| 14:15.35 | lcuk | well at least he applied the rules consistently |
| 14:15.57 | javispedro | 's not happy at the mention of pr1.2 autobuilder shit |
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| 14:16.47 | frals | reading http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ |
| 14:16.49 | lcuk | no, you came up with a novel cool idea and helped improve compatability for all updates |
| 14:16.58 | ZogG_N900 | haha |
| 14:17.13 | ZogG_N900 | speculation thread is a total win |
| 14:17.13 | frals | "We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2009, then the second half of 2009, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010. We think it will eventually ship, but were glad we didnt hold our breath." |
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| 14:17.45 | ZogG_N900 | flash is evil |
| 14:17.59 | ZogG_N900 | opensource or f##k of ) |
| 14:18.13 | ZogG_N900 | frals, hey |
| 14:18.25 | ZogG_N900 | i saw ur twit about fmms |
| 14:18.43 | darkneo76 | i think adobe should open source flash |
| 14:18.54 | darkneo76 | that would be right in face of apple |
| 14:18.58 | th3hate | http://www.ipix.lt/images/35939426.jpg |
| 14:19.17 | darkneo76 | not to say improved support for linux |
| 14:19.19 | ZogG_N900 | so does it use extra apn that is not changing default one or it changes setting and than changes it back? |
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| 14:19.55 | frals | it adds a new apn and then makes a switcharoo if it finds itself being the default one ;) |
| 14:20.12 | mikki-kun | hm, does undervolting the CPU actually damage any parts of the pc? |
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| 14:20.46 | Villiny | mikki-kun: i would imagine data corruption would be the only worry |
| 14:21.13 | mikki-kun | in which way? |
| 14:21.37 | Villiny | imagine a guy comes to work and hasn't slept in 2 days... he starts to file papers all around and messes up constantly because of his sleep deprivation |
| 14:21.50 | Villiny | switch out guy with cpu and sleep with voltage |
| 14:22.06 | ZogG_N900 | mikki-kun, it can burn your processor down to pentium 133mmx |
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| 14:22.10 | mikki-kun | ohhh, so now that's something pretty easy to imagine :D |
| 14:22.18 | Villiny | :) |
| 14:22.31 | Villiny | i effs up your files due to underperfoming is how i understood it |
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| 14:23.21 | ZogG_N900 | actually nothing for sure until u test it |
| 14:23.40 | ZogG_N900 | is danielwilms is a nokia spy? |
| 14:23.41 | Villiny | yeah it doesn't necessarily have to happen |
| 14:23.54 | mikki-kun | hm, when was the n900 coming out in HK? |
| 14:24.16 | ZogG_N900 | i don't like that nokia.com in his ip |
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| 14:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: undervolting is a generally bad idea, as there's a well tested range of operation for core voltage. TI did a lot of testing to come up with optimum values, and you won't outsmart the TI engineers on that one |
| 14:24.50 | danielwilms | ZogG_N900 I'm not really a spy :) officially working in the community support :) |
| 14:25.02 | javispedro | a spy! conspiracy! >:) |
| 14:25.16 | danielwilms | :D |
| 14:25.19 | ZogG_N900 | mikki-kun, as i know today is presentation and it would be sold on sat |
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| 14:25.49 | ZogG_N900 | danielwilms, do you really wanna make it to yourself? |
| 14:26.03 | mikki-kun | if it has pr1.2 then i feel kind of treated unfair |
| 14:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: and before you ask: no, undervolting does NOT stop evil damaging effects of overclocking |
| 14:26.41 | ZogG_N900 | mikki-kun, i don't care to wait until i get what i expect |
| 14:26.45 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: rather it adds to the posiible issues you're running into |
| 14:26.47 | danielwilms | ZogG_N900 ?? |
| 14:27.24 | ZogG_N900 | danielwilms, all the pr1.2 question we would ask |
| 14:27.31 | javispedro | noooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:27.42 | ZogG_N900 | oh yes ) |
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| 14:27.45 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: well, i wouldn't have thought this would "help"... OCing is generally not nice |
| 14:27.56 | X-Fade | ZogG_N900: You can ask, don't expect an answer though ;) |
| 14:28.10 | Villiny | not nice? my n900 became a freaking lightning after oc mikki-kun - no problems yet |
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| 14:28.17 | Villiny | knock on plywood |
| 14:28.32 | ZogG_N900 | X-Fade, i would like answer but i know i wouldn't get tit so joking around |
| 14:28.42 | danielwilms | ZogG_N900 :) sorry |
| 14:28.43 | mikki-kun | Villiny: who tells you that it won't burn out in a couple of months? ;) |
| 14:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: undervolt may help to reduce power consumption by a few percent, but it clearly sacrifices reliability of the CPU operations |
| 14:28.59 | Villiny | common sense? mikki-kun ? :P |
| 14:29.17 | lcuk | waves @ danielwilms o |
| 14:29.23 | Villiny | nah i run all my computers overclocked all the time and nothing bad has happened yet... i keep in the safe and working range |
| 14:29.38 | javispedro | btw lcuk, playing with liqopengl ? ;) |
| 14:29.53 | lcuk | i still didnt finish dreaming void! |
| 14:30.03 | mikki-kun | Villiny: how much did you OC your n900? |
| 14:30.06 | lcuk | got a few pages left then the opengl book is my mistress for a while |
| 14:30.09 | Villiny | to 900 |
| 14:30.13 | mikki-kun | lol :D |
| 14:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: and your car became lightning fast after removing the RPM limiter and driving the engine at 11.00 RPM |
| 14:30.23 | danielwilms | lcuk hey :) |
| 14:30.34 | Villiny | DocScrutinizer: don't be a party pooper |
| 14:30.39 | ZogG_N900 | so there are people that know but don't tell - respect. not like other companies with leaking rats |
| 14:30.40 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: huh. was there an update? well in any case, there has been a problem like forever since autobuilder changed to pr1.2 Maybe the pyside guys require 4.6 now, no idea. I posted instructions in the tmo thread a while ago and at the time they worked. |
| 14:30.50 | danielwilms | sorry guys...have to leave now! see you around! |
| 14:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: I got absolutely ZERO humor oin that topic |
| 14:31.02 | Villiny | why is that exactly? |
| 14:31.09 | Villiny | and yeah you seem zealous on the subject |
| 14:31.24 | lcuk | danielwilms, i hear you have become a barefoot believer? |
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| 14:31.39 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 here |
| 14:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: you're free to do crash races with your car, or retrofit N2O injection. But don't ever suggest to anybody else it is safe |
| 14:32.16 | ZogG_N900 | i'm bored at work |
| 14:32.28 | ZogG_N900 | hate guarding minister office |
| 14:32.40 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: the issue with pyside is that the way it is designed, it will always depend on the newest version |
| 14:32.41 | lcuk | ZogG_N900, then go tell your boss you need some action |
| 14:32.42 | Villiny | DocScrutinizer: yes i get your point - im just wondering why you feel so strongly about it |
| 14:32.43 | ShadowJK | now I'm happy I started with sim instead of real RC heli.. |
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| 14:32.52 | javispedro | cause they autogenerate bindings from headers |
| 14:32.58 | peetah | when my N900 is locked and someone call, the screen is not locked anymore: therefore, if my N900 is in my pocket, I can hang up or take the call without willing to do it, simply by trying to get it out of my pocket and touching the screen. |
| 14:33.02 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Tsss, weak ;) |
| 14:33.04 | peetah | how can I avoid this ? |
| 14:33.08 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: Well. then it should be released together with the latest version ;) |
| 14:33.12 | ZogG_N900 | lcuk, i just want to kill some hours and got a beer |
| 14:33.16 | Shapeshifter | and I guess it will be at some point |
| 14:33.20 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, very wise words |
| 14:33.25 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: yes |
| 14:33.25 | oscillik | peetah: didn't you ask this question a few days ago? |
| 14:33.30 | peetah | nope |
| 14:33.41 | oscillik | someone asked the exact same question |
| 14:33.59 | ZogG_N900 | Shapeshifter, don't think so |
| 14:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: because those OC-idiots make Nokia refuse a repair for my device "OC caused, repair rejected" and I can't argue against that. And because I never again will buy a used N900 and feel I did a save buy |
| 14:34.08 | ZogG_N900 | as i know it wouldn't |
| 14:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | safe* |
| 14:34.10 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: do not compare N20 with O/C cause that incites people to try O/C! |
| 14:34.12 | peetah | oscillik: was'nt me |
| 14:34.13 | oscillik | it's common sense really - place the phone in your pocket so that the screen is facing your leg. that way you're unlikely to touch the screen when taking it out of your pocket |
| 14:34.22 | ZogG_N900 | i even think i know the reason |
| 14:34.43 | Villiny | you bought a used n900 that was oc'd? |
| 14:35.06 | javispedro | much like the "Red pill" name incited people to try it... |
| 14:35.24 | Villiny | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 14:35.35 | peetah | that's what I did, but it still happens sometimes, simply because I'm in a hurry to get the call |
| 14:35.38 | Villiny | bought used oc'd phone? |
| 14:35.50 | peetah | and anyway, that's not a real solution |
| 14:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: not yet, but from now on I'll never know |
| 14:36.20 | peetah | real solution would be to be able to configure the phone so that the screen is locked unless I say so |
| 14:36.37 | Villiny | will nokia actually know if a device has been oc'd if you return it to factory state? |
| 14:36.46 | oscillik | peetah: that's funny - i've never inadvertantly cancelled a call by accidentally touching the screen. |
| 14:36.52 | ZogG_N900 | i think people have to learn telekinetics and teleports so we don't need any phones |
| 14:37.02 | ZogG_N900 | telekinez |
| 14:37.02 | peetah | oscillik: well i did |
| 14:37.17 | ZogG_N900 | me either |
| 14:37.18 | lcuk | Villiny, the hole left by the molten core of the cpu dropping out the bottom will be a general indicator |
| 14:37.23 | Villiny | DocScrutinizer: mines oc'd so don't buy mine :) |
| 14:37.24 | peetah | oscillik: and believe me, that's not funny when the cancelled call comes from your boss |
| 14:37.25 | ZogG_N900 | neither* |
| 14:37.31 | oscillik | peetah: then you're not being careful enough? it's very easy to take the phone out of a pocket by gripping the side of the phone |
| 14:37.34 | Villiny | lcuk: way to exaggerate :P |
| 14:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: they will have ways to tell, but those are expensive. So they will go the nasty way and simply assume OC for certain error patterns |
| 14:37.49 | javispedro | peetah: the phone will remain locked if the proximity sensor is blocked |
| 14:37.58 | javispedro | for example by a case |
| 14:37.59 | oscillik | unless you're one of those people that likes to wear skin-tight leather pants? |
| 14:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | Villiny: the point is *I* do NOT have any viable way to proove it's not been OCd |
| 14:38.33 | ZogG_N900 | oscillik, haha |
| 14:38.38 | peetah | oscillik: not a skin tight kind of guy :) |
| 14:38.46 | Villiny | DocScrutinizer: ok i understand your point. |
| 14:38.49 | ZogG_N900 | or u like people that like to wear ... |
| 14:39.03 | peetah | more a sat guy trying to reach his phone in his blue jean's pocket |
| 14:39.21 | Villiny | peetah i'we never accidentally anything on the phone yet |
| 14:39.24 | ZogG_N900 | man u don't really need phone |
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| 14:39.32 | ZogG_N900 | it's your prison |
| 14:39.37 | ZogG_N900 | get rid of it |
| 14:39.52 | peetah | throw N900 in the river |
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| 14:40.01 | peetah | ZogG_N900: thanks I feel much better now :) |
| 14:40.05 | Villiny | mikki-kun: im obliged to tell you that overclocking will kill your warranty and it might not be safe for the hardware |
| 14:40.07 | ZogG_N900 | DocScrutinizer, loved that temp suffix in nick |
| 14:40.16 | Villiny | i hope everyones happy now |
| 14:40.25 | Villiny | i myself prefer to be able to watch flash videos :] |
| 14:40.29 | ZogG_N900 | no i'm not |
| 14:40.38 | ZogG_N900 | i'm never really happy |
| 14:40.48 | mikki-kun | Villiny: well, killing my warranty was known to me |
| 14:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N900: friggin xchat on N900 is joyfully reregistering every 5min lately |
| 14:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 14:41.10 | mikki-kun | but i didn't know wheter is was now in a way safe or not for it |
| 14:41.25 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: why not use irssi on the n900? |
| 14:41.39 | ZogG_N900 | DocScrutinizer, r u from n900? |
| 14:41.45 | Villiny | mikki-kun: as i said, i'we had no trouble and it almost seems as if battery life improved as well... check the OC thread on maemo talk for more info |
| 14:41.46 | ZogG_N900 | i'm too right now |
| 14:41.47 | ShadowJK | X-Fade, I need to make my fingers manipulate these sticks to do what my brain says :) |
| 14:41.49 | Villiny | no burnt units yet |
| 14:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | I'm used to xchat for >2 years now, on N810 |
| 14:42.07 | ShadowJK | X-Fade, I have to think about moving the sticks, which isn't going to work :) Have to practice that away :P |
| 14:42.10 | oscillik | yeah, irssi isn't for everyone mikki-kun |
| 14:42.15 | ZogG_N900 | i love it on desctop |
| 14:42.28 | Villiny | im using irssi on w764 via ssh on my unix server atm, i never use this thing long enough to learn it properly :) |
| 14:42.39 | ZogG_N900 | it's all what u r regular for |
| 14:42.46 | ZogG_N900 | used to* |
| 14:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N900: /whois DocScrutinizer51 |
| 14:42.57 | ZogG_N900 | sorry for my crappy english |
| 14:43.01 | mikki-kun | oscillik: i just recommended a package which works at least on my n900 and is an alternative to xchat2 |
| 14:43.03 | Villiny | mainly because xchat isn't gratis on windows and i can't bare to use mirc |
| 14:43.17 | mikki-kun | there would also be pidgin and this irc-plugin afair |
| 14:43.48 | ZogG_N900 | DocScrutinizer, nothing interesting there |
| 14:44.15 | ZogG_N900 | pidgin is for icq only, maybe jabber |
| 14:44.22 | oscillik | mikki-kun: it's an alternative, yes..but it's a command-line application which, to some, can be difficult to use when you're used to a GUI based program. as far as IRC support in Pidgin, i personally would rather use mIRC than Pidgin for IRC. but that's just me :p |
| 14:44.37 | mikki-kun | Villiny: that is also the way i am connecting to the net.... via ssh to my pc and there using screen -dr irc ^^ |
| 14:44.51 | ZogG_N900 | gajim is much better but i have too many protocols to use different clients for each one of them |
| 14:44.54 | mikki-kun | oscillik: is there mIRC for the n900? |
| 14:45.00 | Appiah | oh my |
| 14:45.07 | Villiny | mikki-kun: :) my main irc window which i miisplaced somewhere is actually "Viliny" running on a irssi screen on my shell provider :) |
| 14:45.10 | ZogG_N900 | mirc is windows think |
| 14:45.18 | ZogG_N900 | and mirc is evil |
| 14:45.20 | oscillik | mikki-kun: nope there isn't, i just meant that even though i hate mIRC, i would still rather use that over using Pidgin IRC |
| 14:45.29 | Appiah | mikki-kun: I recommend you run a linux irc client |
| 14:45.36 | Villiny | mirc is the microsoft paint of irc clients |
| 14:45.50 | ZogG_N900 | ++ |
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| 14:46.08 | mikki-kun | Appiah: isn't irssi a linux irc client? Ã.ö |
| 14:46.16 | ZogG_N900 | it is |
| 14:46.19 | Appiah | mikki-kun: yes it is |
| 14:46.25 | mikki-kun | yeah and that is what i am running |
| 14:46.28 | ZogG_N900 | it's console one |
| 14:46.46 | mikki-kun | i just like to keep my logs in one place |
| 14:46.46 | mikki-kun | therefore i use screen and ssh to connect to this pc here |
| 14:46.50 | ZogG_N900 | mikki-kun, we were talking about mirc |
| 14:46.51 | mikki-kun | from the n900 |
| 14:47.07 | ZogG_N900 | why? |
| 14:47.22 | ZogG_N900 | there is n900 version |
| 14:47.27 | mikki-kun | yeah i know |
| 14:47.28 | ZogG_N900 | just use it |
| 14:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | points at bip and bouncers in general |
| 14:47.47 | ZogG_N900 | my battery is dieing ( |
| 14:47.51 | Villiny | ZogG_N900: are you trying to convert someone from irssi to mirc? P |
| 14:47.52 | oscillik | i think someone hasn't really been following the conversation in here :-/ |
| 14:48.05 | oscillik | more than one person by the look of it |
| 14:48.06 | Appiah | anyways |
| 14:48.15 | Appiah | there's no mirc for n900 |
| 14:48.17 | ZogG_N900 | Villiny, do i look like an idiot? |
| 14:48.36 | Appiah | or linux for that matter, unless you run wine |
| 14:48.56 | ZogG_N900 | as someone mention mirc other jump on him like he is suggesting it |
| 14:49.00 | mikki-kun | ZogG_N900: i am not using that really cause i also have here my IM-service server running |
| 14:49.03 | Appiah | but there's plenty of native irc clients on linux so |
| 14:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N900: photo please ;-P |
| 14:49.26 | Villiny | ZogG_N900: i haven't seen you :P |
| 14:50.21 | ZogG_N900 | DocScrutinizer, oh. it's not fair - than i do look like an idiot |
| 14:50.31 | oscillik | Appiah: you're completely missing the point due to the fact that you haven't followed the conversation properly. i wasn't suggesting using mIRC, i was mocking Pidgin's usefulness as an IRC client by saying that i would rather use mIRC than Pidgin |
| 14:50.54 | oscillik | drops the topic completely due to the unwarranted fallout |
| 14:51.04 | Appiah | oscillik: I was just responding to the question "is there mirc for the n900" |
| 14:51.14 | frals | mIRC is awesome \o/ |
| 14:51.18 | ZogG_N900 | and i was me |
| 14:51.23 | oscillik | frals: :D |
| 14:51.28 | oscillik | :@) |
| 14:51.34 | ZogG_N900 | frals is awesome |
| 14:51.47 | ZogG_N900 | \m/ |
| 14:51.52 | frals | tis been my client of choice the last 10 years or so at least ;) |
| 14:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | me, myself, and I are yawning |
| 14:52.05 | ZogG_N900 | r u srs? |
| 14:52.18 | frals | yepp |
| 14:52.23 | MohammadAG_ | slaps frals with a very large trout |
| 14:52.27 | frals | slaps MohammadAG_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:52.46 | MohammadAG_ | proof that he uses mirc ^ |
| 14:52.52 | ZogG_N900 | frals is NOT awesome* |
| 14:53.02 | mikki-kun | which proof? |
| 14:53.21 | frals | "around a bit with a large trout" |
| 14:53.23 | ZogG_N900 | autoscriptanswerdamnmachine |
| 14:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | slaps MohammadAG_ for dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pyside-qt4-maemo5: |
| 14:53.43 | sECuRE | 16:53 [FreeNode] CTCP VERSION reply from frals: irssi v0.8.15 - running on Linux armv5tel |
| 14:53.47 | sECuRE | hum ;) |
| 14:53.48 | ZogG_N900 | oh i want that script |
| 14:54.07 | frals | irssi proxy |
| 14:54.23 | frals | as i use ssh+screen on my n900 :p |
| 14:54.31 | lcuk | is shocked by frals revelation and banishes him to feed the penguins at the North Pole - WITHOUT internet :p |
| 14:54.37 | frals | slaps lcuk around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:54.42 | frals | ur just jealous! |
| 14:54.43 | lcuk | frozen? |
| 14:54.47 | lcuk | i use windows! |
| 14:54.52 | lcuk | but xchat ftw |
| 14:54.59 | ZogG_N900 | i use gentoo |
| 14:55.04 | lcuk | ur a sadist |
| 14:55.05 | ZogG_N900 | and i hate u all |
| 14:55.06 | MohammadAG_ | already gave DocScrutinizer a solution for that |
| 14:55.24 | frals | steals all lcuks bacon and hides it in C:mIRC |
| 14:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooh sorry, forgot - which one? |
| 14:55.45 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip |
| 14:55.49 | frals | http://www.patentlyapple.com/ |
| 14:55.59 | DocScrutinizer | that IS on installing this pkgs |
| 14:56.02 | MohammadAG_ | gotta love up & enter |
| 14:56.03 | achipa | is shocked to discover he lost 60 thanks when the uber-long pr1.2 thread got moved to off-topic |
| 14:56.17 | achipa | never thought he said so many smart things there |
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| 14:56.36 | lcuk | grrrr @ windows |
| 14:56.39 | ZogG_N900 | oh. do u lost them as the tread is removed ? |
| 14:56.40 | lcuk | frals you just reminded me |
| 14:56.47 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, they should work |
| 14:56.50 | MohammadAG_ | I use them here |
| 14:56.51 | lcuk | on my c: drive i have a single file which i cannot get rid of |
| 14:57.05 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, del C: |
| 14:57.10 | lcuk | i can rename it and move it but i cannot delete it ! |
| 14:57.18 | MohammadAG_ | actually, s/del/format |
| 14:57.19 | lcuk | no i havent reformatted this drive for ages |
| 14:57.23 | ZogG_N900 | format c: |
| 14:57.23 | frals | :D |
| 14:57.23 | achipa | ZogG_N900: well either that or somebody kidnapped them ! |
| 14:57.27 | lcuk | tho its been cloned to a new phsyical drive |
| 14:57.31 | ZogG_N900 | ) |
| 14:57.35 | lcuk | C:\upp\WINDOWSBad\system32\Macromed\Flash\Flash8a++___.ocx |
| 14:57.43 | frals | lcuk: id help you, but im currently at the north pole without internet! |
| 14:57.50 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, omg |
| 14:57.52 | lcuk | thats ok you just reminded me |
| 14:57.59 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, I've been trying to remove that too |
| 14:58.03 | ZogG_N900 | i'm off because of lack of battery |
| 14:58.16 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, i cannot find any way to get rid |
| 14:58.18 | frals | time for some more domino cookies and finish my book \o/ |
| 14:58.20 | lcuk | even console foo wont |
| 14:58.27 | lcuk | i booted from rescue discks and everything |
| 14:58.29 | frals | and wait for fall out of "promoting to -testing within a few days" |
| 14:58.30 | oscillik | lcuk: boot a linux live cd, mount your hard drive, delete the file |
| 14:58.37 | oscillik | problem sorted |
| 14:58.40 | lcuk | oscillik, ^^ |
| 14:58.41 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, even an ubuntu live cd |
| 14:58.45 | MohammadAG_ | err nvm |
| 14:58.47 | MohammadAG_ | xD |
| 14:59.00 | MohammadAG_ | i didn't see what you said oscillik |
| 14:59.01 | lcuk | oscillik, its got some bad mojo! |
| 14:59.01 | frals | ntfs write support is stable enough nowadays? |
| 14:59.19 | oscillik | lcuk: what linux live cd did you try? |
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| 14:59.30 | lcuk | i dunno it was yonks ago |
| 14:59.35 | lcuk | i try not to think of windows |
| 14:59.37 | oscillik | lcuk: so try it again |
| 14:59.40 | lcuk | it was only frals mentioning it lol |
| 14:59.41 | oscillik | with a modern live cd |
| 14:59.42 | lcuk | nahh |
| 14:59.45 | lcuk | its not harming anything |
| 14:59.48 | MohammadAG_ | frals, convert to ext3, delete file, convert to to ntfs |
| 15:00.13 | lcuk | and the time it would take to recover if the drive went is insanely hard to get back |
| 15:00.27 | fabinader | Hi, anyone knows in which package the well-known "ip" command line application is installed? |
| 15:00.30 | mikki-kun | maybe a fsck would also help in removing that file |
| 15:00.39 | lcuk | i have code and apps laid out there from almost 10 years ago |
| 15:00.43 | fabinader | I mean, BusyBox doesn't comes with it... |
| 15:00.45 | mikki-kun | maybe a bad sector in the drive |
| 15:00.54 | lcuk | well its a new physical drive |
| 15:00.58 | lcuk | i cloned it over |
| 15:01.20 | lcuk | this windows partition has lasted almost as long as tracy's |
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| 15:01.34 | MohammadAG_ | I formatted three years ago |
| 15:01.36 | MohammadAG_ | I think |
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| 15:01.46 | MohammadAG_ | my lappy has 118MBs free xD |
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| 15:02.39 | lcuk | C:\VB_LIQ\EyeSpy 2.3_11032002\EyeSpy 2.3\EyeSpy2.3 :D |
| 15:03.40 | lcuk | heh splash screen modified 07/feb/2000 :D |
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| 15:05.26 | microlith | once PR1.2 comes out, can someone lock every pre-release PR1.2 thread? |
| 15:05.58 | MohammadAG_ | i'll personally fly to every user's house and shoot them in the head |
| 15:06.04 | MohammadAG_ | laughs diabolically |
| 15:06.21 | MohammadAG_ | actually, screw shooting in heads |
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| 15:06.27 | MohammadAG_ | pulls out a Javelin |
| 15:07.38 | lcuk | stop with the shooting |
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| 15:07.44 | lcuk | those users are important! |
| 15:07.48 | Khertan | Nuclear strike detected |
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| 15:08.15 | Khertan | (starcraft voice) |
| 15:08.49 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, they raise server loads |
| 15:09.11 | lcuk | good! busy servers mean everything is in place right |
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| 15:10.08 | MohammadAG_ | I want server loads when 1.2 is released xD |
| 15:11.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/battery_management/f/180/p/43737/152828.aspx#152828 well - that was quick |
| 15:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: wooha :-) |
| 15:12.04 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, do you actually do coding as well as building packages? |
| 15:12.08 | lcuk | have you been known to tinker? |
| 15:12.28 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, depends if it's easy to tinker with |
| 15:12.51 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, I never wrote anything from scratch though, except one small basic app for symbian |
| 15:13.03 | MohammadAG_ | and it was in python, which is piss easy imo :P |
| 15:13.25 | lcuk | yeah python is logical and you can brute force solutions in it |
| 15:13.26 | MohammadAG_ | frals, are the compiling steps in your install new? |
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| 15:15.37 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, in postinst? |
| 15:15.49 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, yeah |
| 15:15.52 | andrewfblack | anyone here hate the minimalist bug that doesn't jump to last post? |
| 15:15.54 | MohammadAG_ | iirc |
| 15:16.15 | lcuk | if so, yes it will be based on things mentioned in the speeding up python thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 |
| 15:18.27 | frals | yes MohammadAG_, as lcuk said |
| 15:20.26 | MohammadAG_ | frals, it worked \o/ |
| 15:20.31 | MohammadAG_ | (fmms) |
| 15:20.44 | MohammadAG_ | not sure why you never received my message |
| 15:21.48 | lcuk | hits the update healthcheck+fmms button |
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| 15:23.36 | lcuk | frals, "send and recv mms, hopefully" :D how optimistic of you! :D |
| 15:23.51 | MohammadAG_ | xD |
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| 15:26.09 | MohammadAG_ | I wonder if I can re-enable MMS |
| 15:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: MohammadAG_: http://paste.debian.net/71228/ |
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| 15:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | no luck installing alarmed |
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| 15:31.07 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, force install then apt-get -f install to resolve dependencies |
| 15:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | force install what? |
| 15:31.43 | MohammadAG_ | frals, you might slap me with a large trout but portrait mode "works" in fmms |
| 15:31.55 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, dpkg -i --force-all * |
| 15:32.09 | frals | doesnt the listview get all fucked up? |
| 15:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 :-S |
| 15:32.33 | frals | MohammadAG_: give me a link to the script that forces rotation btw |
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| 15:32.55 | MohammadAG_ | frals, sec |
| 15:33.03 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, LOL I didn't copy them |
| 15:33.21 | MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, did you post those without asking for permission? ;) |
| 15:34.18 | lcuk | ¡ÇɹÇÉ¥Ê ÊÇÉ¥ - slÉÉ¹É |
| 15:34.28 | frals | slaps lcuk around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:34.43 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: I did. Should I have asked? I uploaded it to omploader with the intention of not using your server ressources. |
| 15:34.44 | arachnist | slaps frals with a small, 1-ton, unix-manual |
| 15:34.44 | lcuk | you wanted forced rotation |
| 15:34.50 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: I'm sorry |
| 15:34.51 | frals | lcuk: :D |
| 15:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: thanks mate |
| 15:35.04 | lcuk | holds the door for frals |
| 15:35.15 | MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, lol no worries, I don't care about perms :P |
| 15:35.31 | MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, no bandwidth anyways, ucoz is free :P |
| 15:36.07 | Shapeshifter | ;) |
| 15:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: it fails without --force-all |
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| 15:36.50 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, that's cause you don't have the dependencies |
| 15:37.01 | MohammadAG_ | I had them for facebrick |
| 15:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 15:37.21 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, remember to apt-get -f install |
| 15:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | I thought as much |
| 15:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | yeah I did |
| 15:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | though it didn't anything during this second pass |
| 15:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 15:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. |
| 15:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded. |
| 15:39.40 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: that's the new pyside. maybe it god half way uninstalled because you installed the old one |
| 15:39.51 | Shapeshifter | debian package management doesn't make much sense to me anyway so I'll shut up |
| 15:40.37 | MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, debian packaging is ftw |
| 15:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it works now :-) |
| 15:40.59 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, if no app needs it do an apt-get autoremove |
| 15:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | how could I know? LOL |
| 15:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | just assuming no app except maybe alarmed needs it |
| 15:41.59 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, dependencies are tied together, if an app needs it it won't work |
| 15:42.05 | MohammadAG_ | nah, do an apt-get autoremove |
| 15:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | fine |
| 15:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | bbl, need some UV and fresh air |
| 15:43.43 | MohammadAG_ | gives DocScrutinizer a blu ray drive lens and a fan |
| 15:43.55 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, I thought you were against undervolting, so why are you getting UV? :P I keed I keed |
| 15:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | undervolting just silly, OC really EVIL |
| 15:44.55 | Termana | Don't ruin the UV joke :P |
| 15:45.23 | lcuk | underclocking is awesome |
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| 15:45.30 | SpeedEvil | undervolting is unreliable for all CPUs. For some, it may work OK - working out the errors isn't easy sometimes |
| 15:45.56 | lcuk | i think all developers should work on underclocked hardware - and be whipped to make apps work well with it! |
| 15:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 15:46.12 | lcuk | then when end users get devices they are amazed by how well it runs :D |
| 15:46.16 | javispedro | has done that sometimes |
| 15:46.21 | arachnist | MohammadAG_: creating debian packages is a pita when compared to gentoo ebuilds or writing rpm spec files |
| 15:46.30 | lcuk | i worked on the lowest spec hardware in my old job |
| 15:46.31 | Termana | Argg I think I've let open the flame war flood gates *runs* |
| 15:46.43 | lcuk | purely because i didnt want an unexpected experience |
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| 15:47.00 | MohammadAG_ | arachnist, it's very easy to make .deb files |
| 15:47.04 | lcuk | people would update their machines to latest fancy pants uber stuff |
| 15:47.20 | lcuk | but we knew our customers would be running on old crufty stuff |
| 15:47.21 | guysoft22 | hey all, i have a N810 that is mostly on mute, and i am trying to figure out a way for it to alert me of new calls, is there some way to get it to vibrate? or make my cellphone vibrate? |
| 15:47.28 | khertan_n900 | i need to debug a middleware made by a partner ... run pylint on it : score : -21.18 |
| 15:47.30 | khertan_n900 | ouch |
| 15:47.45 | frals | i think fmms scored -120 or smth in pylint |
| 15:48.01 | khertan_n900 | frals : not possible ! |
| 15:48.01 | MohammadAG_ | 120 what? |
| 15:48.10 | khertan_n900 | i need to debug a middleware made by a partner ... run pylint on it : score : -21.18/10 |
| 15:48.12 | lcuk | whats pylint all about then and what improves degrades score? |
| 15:48.16 | frals | it was - alot at least :P |
| 15:48.19 | lcuk | and is it mentioned on the python thread |
| 15:48.36 | frals | i think it is, otherwise i wouldnt had run it |
| 15:48.43 | javispedro | automated code quality evaluation? sounds evil |
| 15:48.47 | khertan_n900 | and i remove the mixing tab/space warning and pep8 format before |
| 15:48.52 | frals | i was getting - for having lines longer than 80 chars |
| 15:48.57 | lcuk | reasonable enough i started to writeup the ideas in that thread |
| 15:48.57 | frals | and for having tabs instead of spaces |
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| 15:49.10 | khertan_n900 | javispedro : pylint is nice ! |
| 15:49.10 | lcuk | i need to talk with you frals about what worked - but not now my head is still funked |
| 15:49.25 | frals | sure just give me a yell |
| 15:49.42 | frals | need to do some more testing of my workaround for mms apn never becoming default |
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| 15:50.29 | lcuk | sure i gather theres technical assistance available |
| 15:50.55 | frals | also i really need to stop coding on one device and then starting the app on the other |
| 15:51.02 | frals | im like "why the fuck isnt it working..." |
| 15:51.12 | lcuk | :) |
| 15:51.16 | frals | and then after 10minutes realising im actually running old code... >_< |
| 15:51.19 | lcuk | i kept doing that |
| 15:51.31 | lcuk | with me it was sketches on the wrong hardware |
| 15:52.16 | frals | :) |
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| 15:56.27 | RichardP | is meego usable in its current format? is it worth lookking at atm? |
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| 15:56.40 | Stskeeps | if you like xterms |
| 15:56.52 | javispedro | heya Stskeeps |
| 15:57.07 | maddler | RichardP: beside no GUY yet ;) |
| 15:57.11 | maddler | GUI :) |
| 15:57.13 | RichardP | Ive ssen some screen shots, and liked what i saw |
| 15:57.22 | RichardP | maddler: oh, interesting |
| 15:57.28 | RichardP | i wonder wtf the screenshots were then |
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| 15:58.01 | maddler | dev snapshot, perhaps? |
| 15:58.16 | maddler | not yet released to the public |
| 15:58.23 | RichardP | maddler: perhaps - pity, really liked it |
| 15:58.31 | maddler | BTW, yes Meego looks interesting |
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| 15:58.50 | RichardP | really hope it comes to fruition and they still support the N900 |
| 15:59.55 | Termana | RichardP, The n900 is the ARM reference platform for MeeGo |
| 16:00.48 | th3hate | Say Alpha Q as fast as u can |
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| 16:01.18 | Termana | th3hate, will you now? |
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| 16:01.34 | th3hate | wut? |
| 16:01.56 | Termana | th3hate, will you be pha Q'ing me |
| 16:02.08 | th3hate | whats that |
| 16:02.25 | Termana | <th3hate> Say Alpha Q as fast as u can |
| 16:02.33 | th3hate | can't |
| 16:04.01 | th3hate | u spoiled it -_- |
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| 16:04.19 | GAN900 | Termana, yeah, for whatever that actually ends up meaning. ;) |
| 16:05.14 | Termana | :P |
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| 16:07.04 | GAN900 | I frankly doubt it'll ever get any of the proprietary applications that make Maemo usable. |
| 16:07.55 | Stskeeps | A before B, we don't know yet - hardware adaptation comes first |
| 16:07.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:09.47 | luke-jr | coughs. |
| 16:09.50 | luke-jr | Maemo? usable? |
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| 16:10.37 | gevaerts | the terminal works quite well for me! |
| 16:11.29 | GAN900 | luke-jr, you've never used Maemo 5, so hush. |
| 16:11.42 | luke-jr | GAN900: true enough |
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| 16:13.28 | lcuk | GAN900, i ope meego DOESNT have any of the proprietary apps and that all standard system components are fully open |
| 16:13.31 | lcuk | hope |
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| 16:20.57 | chem|st | now ppl start complaining about wtf and bastard all over the place... whats next? |
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| 16:21.46 | GAN900 | lcuk, yeah, well, good luck with that. |
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| 16:21.51 | rm_you | hey, n900 got here |
| 16:21.55 | rm_you | yay Quim :P |
| 16:22.06 | rm_you | now I guess I send the old broken one back somehow |
| 16:22.29 | GAN900 | All of the open source reference apps are going to be super-underfeatures (read: useless), apparently. |
| 16:22.39 | javispedro | or not |
| 16:22.48 | javispedro | they might be unusable feature-ridden monsters |
| 16:22.51 | GAN900 | rm_you, eBay is, apparently, a good way to get things to Helsinki. :P |
| 16:23.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 16:23.06 | rm_you | B0rked |
| 16:23.07 | GAN900 | javispedro, that's what they said at the Summit. |
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| 16:23.16 | javispedro | think half-hildonized-evolution :D |
| 16:23.18 | lcuk | GAN900, if openness was truly one of the items at the top of te list then dogfood should be eaten and some principle apps should be developed fully in the open |
| 16:23.33 | GAN900 | lcuk, well, they wont be |
| 16:23.45 | GAN900 | The whole openness thing is somewhat wishy washy. |
| 16:23.46 | lcuk | "throw it over the wall" |
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| 16:24.03 | GAN900 | Everybody got to have their differentiation. |
| 16:24.13 | dneary | Jaffa: Ping? |
| 16:24.16 | Jaffa | dneary: pong |
| 16:24.26 | dneary | Jaffa, If you were a cynic? |
| 16:24.41 | Jaffa | dneary: Big if. |
| 16:24.48 | Jaffa | dneary: Honest. |
| 16:24.48 | GAN900 | lol |
| 16:25.05 | Stskeeps | who says open apps aren't better than the differentiation ones? |
| 16:25.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:25.12 | Jaffa | "Misanthrope" would be even better. |
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| 16:25.20 | Jaffa | Even *bigger* if. |
| 16:25.35 | lcuk | GAN900, differentiation is over rated - the apps get better with multiple people working |
| 16:25.36 | dneary | Jaffa, You wouldn't buy the usual "my email client starts replies above the previous mail, and only the new stuff is interesting to the guy I'm replying to, and my company requires that you keep the thread intact in the mail for archival purposes, and outlook sucks and it's hard to do otherwise" arguments? |
| 16:25.38 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, I think both Quim and somebody else mentioned that they wouldn't be much. |
| 16:25.39 | lcuk | even forked projects etc |
| 16:25.45 | dneary | It is just easier to top-post |
| 16:25.49 | lcuk | its the developers and teamwork that make apps |
| 16:25.50 | Stskeeps | GAN900: and? patches welcome to improve |
| 16:25.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:25.53 | lcuk | not the fact they are closed |
| 16:25.53 | GAN900 | lcuk, I agree, companies run by dinosaurs do not. |
| 16:25.59 | dneary | And lots of people top-post without seeing anything wrong with it |
| 16:26.07 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, yeah, we've seen how well THAT works. :P |
| 16:26.15 | dneary | And if they started doing otherwise in their companies or projects, people would look side-ways at them |
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| 16:26.21 | Jaffa | dneary: Indeed. And no, I don't buy it. |
| 16:26.31 | dneary | So, meh, tolerance is my thing... go with the flow |
| 16:26.33 | Jaffa | dneary: I *understand* it, but I don't buy it. |
| 16:26.48 | dneary | Be strict about what you write, and lenient about what you read |
| 16:26.58 | dneary | Like file formats |
| 16:27.03 | Jaffa | :) |
| 16:27.10 | GAN900 | Top-posting is jude rude. ;) |
| 16:27.26 | GAN900 | s/jude/just |
| 16:27.37 | GAN900 | and the N900 keyboard kicks my asss |
| 16:27.43 | lcuk | problem with expectin everyone to understand mailing list "rules" is that new people dont know or care and bikeshedding takes the discussion even further off topic ;) |
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| 16:28.13 | dneary | GAN900, You know at the start of Dune (the book) when the desert people come in, take the hands of the spice miners, and spit in their palms? |
| 16:28.41 | Jaffa | 's knowledge of Dune extends to Dune 2 on RISC OS |
| 16:28.55 | dneary | GAN900, Since water is so rare, this was their most intimate welcoming gesture - like hugging in the US, kissing in France, etc |
| 16:29.04 | GAN900 | lcuk/dneary, it's not the new people that bother me. It's the people who insist on continuing to do it wrong to be contrary. |
| 16:29.25 | dneary | And like many gestures to do with culture, it changes from one to another. |
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| 16:29.32 | GAN900 | dneary, yeah, top-posting is hardly equivalent to cultural beliefs. :P |
| 16:29.45 | dneary | GAN900, They're not being rude, and calling it rude is purely confrontational & incendiary |
| 16:30.07 | GAN900 | Some are |
| 16:30.13 | GAN900 | and that's my problem |
| 16:30.14 | lcuk | actually GAN900 moses actually had 11 commandments but the bottom one was lost in time "11: thou shalt not top post" |
| 16:30.29 | dneary | Let me tell ya, I just came back from the US, where hugging is the thing, and I got some strage looks (and felt pretty strange) when I was kissing people on the cheeks |
| 16:30.37 | GAN900 | People who do it because that's how they want to do it and they don't care what the standard is. |
| 16:30.41 | dneary | Had to excuse myself a couple of times - "Sorry, French thing" |
| 16:31.00 | lcuk | :D |
| 16:31.12 | dneary | A real frenchman wouldn't have aplogised, he'd just've said "this is what we do in France", and puckered up |
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| 16:31.30 | dneary | And that's my point, is all. |
| 16:31.57 | dneary | Top-posting isn't a big deal, I can get how it might irk some people, but I cannot get how it might make anyone angry or depressed |
| 16:32.06 | dneary | Get over it, go with the flow, that's my feeling |
| 16:32.16 | lcuk | indeed - i rarely post on the mailing list, i never know whether i should be writing at the top or the bottom or inline or clearing or anything |
| 16:32.18 | dneary | That battle's been lost, the gate is open, the horses have bolted |
| 16:32.27 | dneary | It's like the RIAA trying to ban the internet |
| 16:32.57 | lcuk | i tohught they only wanted to ban 48x dvd burners |
| 16:33.14 | dneary | lcuk, The general rule: include as little of the preceeding mails as possible to establish context, and post response to previous comments underneath the relevant comments |
| 16:33.55 | dneary | But that guideline dates from a time when bandwidth mattered |
| 16:33.57 | frals | thank god for forums eh? |
| 16:34.10 | dneary | And for plain-text emails, it really doesn't any more. |
| 16:34.12 | lcuk | ok, so </snip> for brevity is ok if the general gist is ok then answering the one point etc |
| 16:34.51 | dneary | And personally, I'll top-post if it's a general comment related to the entirity of the preceeding post. Easier to read than a bottom-post leaving the original intact |
| 16:34.54 | lcuk | i tried that with internal thread about something |
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| 16:35.08 | lcuk | but in hindsite if i had left the whole thread there it ould have been used to fwd to someone else |
| 16:35.28 | dneary | lcuk, See my reply to David's post about the packaging guidelines this morning for an example of best practice |
| 16:35.33 | frals | im top posting because most of the mail i get is topposted anyway :D |
| 16:35.57 | dneary | Snip, reply underneath, and if the subject matter's sufficiently different from the subject, change that too (leaving a was: for context) |
| 16:36.00 | lcuk | frals i wouldnt know, ive got a filter on my inbox "if sender==frals" ... :p |
| 16:36.22 | frals | that explains why i havent got my blackmail money yet then! |
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| 16:36.43 | dneary | Jaffa, see frals's comment. This mirrors my experience. Practice creates norms. |
| 16:36.57 | dneary | Anyway, I'm off. Bye |
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| 16:38.27 | javispedro | Just stab him in the back later, he must sacrifice himself to the Ori for top posting! |
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| 16:44.33 | Khertan_n900 | Hi again |
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| 16:45.50 | Khertan_n900 | andrewfblack: what did you think of doing an hand writted style theme for fremantle |
| 16:45.51 | Khertan_n900 | ? |
| 16:46.33 | andrewfblack | Khertan_n900: havn't heard anyone talking about it what would you want the theme to look like? |
| 16:50.25 | Khertan_n900 | andrewfblack : let me some time to found an picture on google :) |
| 16:50.40 | andrewfblack | Khertan_n900: ok |
| 16:51.55 | BCMM | anyone here managed to synchronise calendars with korganizer? |
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| 16:54.10 | Khertan_n900 | andrewfblack:something with the style of the tim samoff website : http://sense-datum.org/tim/tswl.php |
| 16:54.18 | Khertan_n900 | what did you think about it ? |
| 16:56.05 | andrewfblack | Khertan_n900: its a cool idea I can give it a try |
| 16:56.14 | Khertan_n900 | :) |
| 16:56.16 | Khertan_n900 | thx |
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| 16:56.26 | andrewfblack | any idea what font that is? |
| 16:56.51 | Khertan_n900 | noone sorry |
| 16:56.51 | Khertan_n900 | none sorry |
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| 16:56.57 | Khertan_n900 | i think it s hand writted |
| 16:57.03 | johnsq | Hi |
| 16:58.07 | Khertan_n900 | as same characters aren t the same ... look at the S of search and Support for example |
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| 17:00.23 | andrewfblack | Khertan_n900: yeah looks like he just write it himself, I found a few hand written fonts I can try. |
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| 17:10.22 | javispedro | thinks Nokia should create a fake PR1.2 and release it |
| 17:10.41 | johnsq | with virus? |
| 17:10.51 | javispedro | just a placebo |
| 17:11.09 | rm_you | lol |
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| 17:11.26 | MohammadAG | * javispedro thinks Nokia should create a fake PR1.2 and release it |
| 17:11.34 | MohammadAG | unpack image, repack as 1.2, done |
| 17:11.36 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 17:11.48 | MohammadAG | or as 1.3 and bring down the forums |
| 17:11.52 | javispedro | advertise it as having "improved performance and battery life" |
| 17:12.01 | javispedro | and "higher camera quality" |
| 17:12.12 | johnsq | and usb host support |
| 17:12.14 | javispedro | and "clearer sound" |
| 17:12.23 | MohammadAG | "Unlocks the hidden 1GB RAM chip" |
| 17:12.28 | javispedro | johnsq: no, that would be easy to disprove. |
| 17:12.32 | javispedro | and not fun at all. |
| 17:12.35 | frals | so err |
| 17:12.35 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 17:12.38 | frals | "Bravo pour ce boulot énorme, qui nous permet davoir les mms sur notre téléphone. Merci à vous !" |
| 17:12.41 | frals | what does that mean? |
| 17:12.53 | MohammadAG | frals, oui oui, c'est vrai |
| 17:12.57 | Ikarus[N900] | oh, reminds me, need to test that compressed swap patch |
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| 17:13.03 | MohammadAG | French -> translate.google.com |
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| 17:13.21 | MohammadAG | frals bravo for the, idk the rest |
| 17:13.28 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 17:13.50 | frals | mm seems google translate worked fine, i guess... the sentence that came out made sense anyway :D |
| 17:13.50 | MohammadAG | thanks for this wonderful "idk" which allows us to view mms on our "telephones". Thanks to you ! |
| 17:13.54 | MohammadAG | literal translation ^ |
| 17:14.08 | MohammadAG | it's an enormous "idk" btw :P |
| 17:14.10 | frals | "Bravo for this enormous undertaking, which allows us to have mms on our phone. Thank you!" |
| 17:14.16 | Ikarus[N900] | mms meh |
| 17:14.24 | MohammadAG | frals, I did what I could :P |
| 17:14.29 | frals | ye cheers ;) |
| 17:14.34 | rm_you | yay, finally get to install frals fMMS today :P |
| 17:14.38 | frals | i understood bravo... :D |
| 17:14.38 | rm_you | now that i have a working n900 again |
| 17:14.39 | MohammadAG | s/cheers/merci |
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| 17:15.06 | rm_you | is frals fMMS redundant? does the f stand for frals? :P |
| 17:15.21 | frals | not decided yet what the f stands for ;D |
| 17:15.43 | frals | theres plenty of good words on f that makes sense there :D |
| 17:15.44 | rm_you | anyway i guess it'd be: frals' fMMS |
| 17:15.55 | rm_you | Finally, MMS |
| 17:16.02 | rm_you | fu#&ing MMS! |
| 17:16.05 | frals | ^^ |
| 17:16.05 | MohammadAG | freaking MMS |
| 17:16.07 | rm_you | :P |
| 17:16.24 | rm_you | fortuitous MMS |
| 17:16.36 | rm_you | frabjous MMS |
| 17:16.40 | MohammadAG | I like fu#&ing one more |
| 17:16.46 | Ikarus[N900] | mms is obsolete :P |
| 17:16.58 | MohammadAG | ff(mm)s |
| 17:17.02 | rm_you | unless you want to send pictures to the phone of ANYONE in the US |
| 17:17.16 | rm_you | then it's called "necessary" |
| 17:17.32 | MohammadAG | Orange disabled receiving MMS through normal protocols here :( |
| 17:17.40 | MohammadAG | I have to open a web page that comes in an SMS |
| 17:17.41 | frals | Ikarus[N900]: 160k downloads begs to differ :/ |
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| 17:18.01 | frals | MohammadAG: usually just need to give them a call telling them you got a handset capable of mms |
| 17:18.22 | Ikarus[N900] | rm_you: meh upload to blog/sharing site, then mail link or wait for their rss reader to get it |
| 17:18.26 | MohammadAG | frals, got a Hebrew for Dummies book? |
| 17:18.42 | frals | MohammadAG: :D translate.google.com? ;D |
| 17:18.58 | MohammadAG | dials *054 |
| 17:19.18 | MohammadAG | talks in English and finishes the sentence with frals says google it |
| 17:19.32 | Ikarus[N900] | reminds me, I wonder if I can plug in my own sites as sharing site for both pictures and other files |
| 17:19.49 | MohammadAG | that is one f'd up page http://www.orange.co.il/ |
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| 17:21.01 | MohammadAG | oh ffs |
| 17:21.08 | MohammadAG | it needs flash, which is broken on my system |
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| 17:25.52 | MohammadAG | frals, any idea how an operator checks which phone I'm using? |
| 17:26.05 | MohammadAG | rough google translation from their f'd up FAQ 7. In the case of multimedia message delivery device is not support MMS (multimedia messaging), you receive an SMS device turning the recipient into the Web site of the "My Album", where he could see the message sent to him. |
| 17:26.05 | frals | imei is my guess |
| 17:26.37 | MohammadAG | weird, the N86 also receives that MMS |
| 17:26.39 | MohammadAG | SMS* |
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| 17:32.03 | MohammadAG | wow #ubuntu-release-party scrolls fast |
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| 17:37.58 | GeneralAntilles | Shit, my earpiece is almost gone. |
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| 17:39.45 | liori | i am kind of confused--does n900 handle mms? :-) |
| 17:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: depends. Some providers have a config interface of some sort, where you select your phone model. |
| 17:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | liori: aiui fmms app does |
| 17:40.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they still think I'm on a Nokia 6680 |
| 17:40.19 | MohammadAG | which supports MMS |
| 17:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: call their hotline |
| 17:40.42 | frals | haha, checking my statpress for my blog is pretty funny, latest google search term "is fmms working as of april 29" |
| 17:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | or vist trheir website |
| 17:40.57 | liori | DocScrutinizer: is this some non-nokia app that has to be installed manually? |
| 17:41.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, <MohammadAG> f.r.a.l.s, got a Hebrew for Dummies book? |
| 17:41.13 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 17:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | liori: yes |
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| 17:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: huh? |
| 17:42.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Orange customer support is in hebrew |
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| 17:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 17:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | nice |
| 17:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | if they don't provide an english version, I'd really tell them... |
| 17:43.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no english |
| 17:43.23 | MohammadAG | and arabic customer support is = 0 |
| 17:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | I bet |
| 17:43.38 | MohammadAG | (they have arabic customer support, but they're plain idiots) |
| 17:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | selected idiots I guess ;-P |
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| 17:45.08 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they're hand picked I think :P |
| 17:45.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, my ISP isn't better, they told me I was connected to my neighbor's WiFi network :s |
| 17:45.42 | MohammadAG | (just because they couldn't figure out the problem) |
| 17:45.55 | MohammadAG | someone who knew hebrew helped, they solved it in 5 minutes |
| 17:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
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| 17:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | so HK was a hoax, no? |
| 17:48.12 | MohammadAG | ~nuke closet akamai server |
| 17:48.13 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at closet akamai server ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 17:48.25 | MohammadAG | s/closet/closest |
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| 17:48.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it was a damn good one if it was a hoax |
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| 17:49.04 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the entire PR1.2 is a hoax |
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| 17:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: closet was accurate |
| 17:49.35 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 17:50.14 | lcuk | slaps javispedro |
| 17:50.27 | javispedro | dodges |
| 17:50.48 | timoph | they should release it as pr1.3 just mess with people |
| 17:51.05 | frals | steals lcuks bacon and eats it |
| 17:51.15 | javispedro | messing? to mess with people they would have to release it as meego 3.0 |
| 17:51.25 | timoph | :) |
| 17:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: a pointer to fmms for liori ? |
| 17:51.55 | javispedro | there, the n900 will get the same OS version as our 2014 device with 4 cores and 5 minute battery life! |
| 17:52.24 | MohammadAG | I'm sure I can find a car battery to increase that to 6 minutes |
| 17:52.28 | frals | DocScrutinizer: whats with fmms? :) |
| 17:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | aah, sorry. |
| 17:52.59 | javispedro | MohammadAG: does your car run on nuclear power? If it doesn't, I'm afraid you'll find it will only last a few picoseconds... |
| 17:53.16 | timoph | it'll run with uranium pellets |
| 17:53.18 | MohammadAG | javispedro, hell yeah it does |
| 17:53.29 | MohammadAG | lights up a cig near the battery |
| 17:54.52 | inz | Mine generates fusion power from garbage |
| 17:55.26 | liori | DocScrutinizer: i don't care yet, my n900 has yet to be bought ;-) |
| 17:55.52 | javispedro | Mine travels to 1955. |
| 17:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | liori: hurry! you're missing all the fun |
| 17:56.02 | javispedro | 1955 only though :( |
| 17:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | liori: nevertheless - https://garage.maemo.org/projects/fmms |
| 17:58.46 | liori | thank you |
| 17:58.56 | SpeedEvil | wonders how many turing complete cores the n900 has. |
| 17:59.02 | SpeedEvil | I suspect around 9 |
| 17:59.05 | SpeedEvil | maybe 10 |
| 17:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget the three engines in LP5523 |
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| 17:59.43 | SpeedEvil | are those actually general purpose? |
| 17:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | even add, mul, div, sub, reg indirect etc |
| 18:00.15 | SpeedEvil | insane. |
| 18:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 18:01.18 | SpeedEvil | 2 in the phone - CPU - DSP - gfx - bluetooth, wlan, led, gps? |
| 18:02.19 | liori | GSM chip too? |
| 18:02.28 | SpeedEvil | 2 in the phone |
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| 18:09.38 | liori | can n900 be used as flashdrive and ethernet card at the same time? |
| 18:09.39 | mece | hey.. isn't maemo what sheldon calls his grandmother? |
| 18:09.56 | SpeedEvil | liori: In principle yes - I'm unsure if anyone has implemented that though |
| 18:10.03 | liori | mece: yes, we are big fans of sheldon's grandma |
| 18:10.10 | mece | :D |
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| 18:13.51 | mece | "If anything happened to my maemo, I'd be one inconsolable moonpie" |
| 18:16.05 | Chiku|dc | does HK N900 is out ? |
| 18:16.27 | Chiku|dc | someone got one? |
| 18:17.44 | Shapeshifter | Chiku|dc: yes |
| 18:18.31 | Chiku|dc | Shapeshifter, you got one? |
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| 18:18.35 | Shapeshifter | no |
| 18:18.48 | Shapeshifter | I'm just being annoying for a second. |
| 18:19.06 | mece | wait I tweeted someone and asked about version number already... |
| 18:19.22 | Chiku|dc | mece, so? |
| 18:19.31 | Trizt | thought it hadn't, still saying "coming soon" on the website |
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| 18:21.26 | wazd_n900 | guess what?) |
| 18:21.39 | tybollt | PR 1.3? |
| 18:21.53 | Stskeeps | wazd_n900: you don't have a n900? |
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| 18:22.31 | mece | wazd_n900, you found out she was a dude? |
| 18:23.16 | mece | Chiku|dc, what did you want to know about hk n900? |
| 18:23.24 | wazd_n900 | stskeeps: you're both right and wrong :) |
| 18:23.42 | Stskeeps | wazd_n900: well, borrowed one then? |
| 18:24.02 | Ikarus | anyone know if there is a javascript debugger for microB ? I am having some problems with an extension that I can't replicate on plain firefox (even of the same gecko version) |
| 18:24.10 | Surfa | someone knows something and someone doesn't |
| 18:24.55 | Chiku|dc | mece does is out? and which firmware version ? |
| 18:25.00 | mece | Surfa speaks the truth. |
| 18:25.06 | Surfa | pr is coming and hk verion won't make it come any sooner :) |
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| 18:25.18 | VDVsx | wazd_n900, Eldar gave you an n8 ? |
| 18:25.22 | mece | Chiku|dc, well he hasn't answered. |
| 18:25.23 | VDVsx | :P |
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| 18:25.39 | mece | Chiku|dc, but apparently you can't type chinese in apps. |
| 18:25.41 | wazd_n900 | stskeeps: sort off, I'm delivering one to the live wallpapers developer) |
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| 18:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.2 |
| 18:27.03 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. |
| 18:27.23 | timoph | :) |
| 18:27.34 | mece | DocScrutinizer, who's asking about pr1.2? |
| 18:27.38 | Surfa | isn't it? |
| 18:27.39 | wazd_n900 | vdvsx, n80 :) |
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| 18:27.52 | Surfa | i kind of thought it was |
| 18:27.53 | Trizt | does it work for other versions too? |
| 18:28.09 | VDVsx | wazd_n900, that's old |
| 18:28.21 | wazd_n900 | pr 1.2 is delayed |
| 18:28.27 | wazd_n900 | for 2 weeks |
| 18:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | mece: this was a regularly scheduled announcement ;-P |
| 18:28.52 | Surfa | wazd_n900, and that delay did you figure out how? |
| 18:28.54 | wazd_n900 | seriously :) |
| 18:29.22 | wazd_n900 | surfa: nokians told me |
| 18:29.29 | Surfa | and 2weeks from what date do you think it is? |
| 18:29.53 | wazd_n900 | vdvsx: hello from 5 |
| 18:29.58 | wazd_n900 | sht |
| 18:30.17 | wazd_n900 | Turenko :) |
| 18:30.45 | Surfa | kind of nonsense that 2week rumour you're spreading :) sorry |
| 18:30.49 | wazd_n900 | surfa: from today I guess |
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| 18:31.15 | wazd_n900 | surfa: you know other info? |
| 18:31.53 | Surfa | well, it doesn't make any difference if i know or don't know something |
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| 18:32.20 | Surfa | but what i can tell is spreading rumours won't really serve anyone |
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| 18:32.49 | tybollt | oh shut your cookie hole surfa. |
| 18:32.50 | wazd_n900 | that's semi oficcial info |
| 18:32.50 | Surfa | pr1.2 will be out when it's ready :) |
| 18:32.58 | wazd_n900 | if you'd like |
| 18:33.03 | tybollt | I am here because I want the gossip and rumours |
| 18:33.14 | tybollt | so please wazd, go ahead :) |
| 18:33.26 | KnightStalker | Hello =) |
| 18:33.35 | wazd_n900 | meego will support n900 |
| 18:33.43 | wazd_n900 | for real :) |
| 18:33.51 | KnightStalker | how can I install Libqt4 on n900? |
| 18:33.57 | KnightStalker | I mean core and gui and... |
| 18:33.58 | Surfa | tybollt, so nerds can get upset as rumours were again rumours |
| 18:34.01 | tybollt | wazd_n900: wow, did you see one run it? |
| 18:34.21 | Surfa | :D |
| 18:34.32 | Surfa | great information here again |
| 18:34.36 | dmj726 | PR1.2 is delayed worse than the Ubuntu LTS |
| 18:34.52 | wazd_n900 | nope, but it's the real deal |
| 18:34.56 | tybollt | Surfa: the point is, if it's runours, you choose to believe it or not yourself |
| 18:34.56 | KnightStalker | :\ |
| 18:35.22 | Surfa | depends if you need rumours |
| 18:35.27 | tybollt | wazd_n900: is ari there? |
| 18:35.39 | KnightStalker | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/q/qt4-x11/libqt4-core_4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5_armel.deb |
| 18:35.45 | oscillik | news just in: argument breaks out on Internet, more at eleven |
| 18:35.46 | mece | Knightstalker, apt-get install libqt4-core libqt4-gui |
| 18:35.47 | rm_you | i choose to believe wazd usually :P |
| 18:36.02 | rm_you | starts taking bets on who gets compared to Nazis first |
| 18:36.13 | wazd_n900 | tybollt: nope :) |
| 18:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | I consider to +q wazd currently |
| 18:36.28 | tybollt | wazd_n900: ther valhalla must be?! |
| 18:36.34 | Surfa | if like, go ahead.. butg don't take him as source of truth :) |
| 18:36.34 | mece | compares rm_you to the nazis. Finds rm_you more fun. |
| 18:36.34 | wazd_n900 | how to set up clock here? :) |
| 18:36.47 | mtnbkr | just completed the repair request form for his N900 :( bye-bye N900. Hello "backup" Motorola v551... my old friend... |
| 18:36.51 | rm_you | Wir mussen die Juden ausrauchen? >_> |
| 18:37.18 | KnightStalker | mece: it says they are the newest version |
| 18:37.30 | mece | KnightStalker, what are you trying to do? |
| 18:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | Ich muss erst meine ziggi ausrauchen |
| 18:37.38 | KnightStalker | install them? :P |
| 18:37.47 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:37.48 | mece | KnightStalker, they are installed. |
| 18:38.07 | Surfa | i can't still see why rumour telling would be nice as some people take them as promises anyway |
| 18:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 18:38.37 | Surfa | then people get uoset and then we get pr1.2 discussions like now |
| 18:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | KnightStalker: hope you didn't suffer too much from recent ban |
| 18:39.25 | dmj726 | Honestly, I'd rather have official statements along the lines of "Here's the state of things right now. We're planning on releasing on day X, but it might slip if Y." |
| 18:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: ++ |
| 18:40.38 | Surfa | official statements are really difficult to give as things tend to slip from first estimates.. always.. |
| 18:40.56 | dmj726 | Even when projects have delays, I'm generally not that upset as long as it seems like the issue is being resolved and I'm not speculating the worst |
| 18:40.57 | Surfa | so it's safer just not to give anything |
| 18:41.12 | KnightStalker | "hope you didn't suffer too much from recent ban" I was banned? o.O |
| 18:41.15 | KnightStalker | weird? :P |
| 18:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | Nkia does not announce release schedules |
| 18:41.37 | dmj726 | I'm not saying what they do, I'm saying what they should do. |
| 18:41.39 | Surfa | and reason for that i already said :) |
| 18:41.40 | mece | Knightstalker, is there something that isn't working? |
| 18:42.17 | dmj726 | When Ubuntu anounces a delay and the reason for the delay. I think, "Hey, It's good they caught this and fixed it." |
| 18:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | KnightStalker: you had connectivity issues lately, leading to chan spamming join/quit (even worse than DocScrutinizer51 does ;-P) so you were banned for one night |
| 18:42.41 | KnightStalker | grr,BNC issues I see |
| 18:42.43 | KnightStalker | ... |
| 18:42.46 | KnightStalker | </3 |
| 18:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for that |
| 18:43.46 | dmj726 | Heck, give people the Scotty time estimate if you want. |
| 18:43.50 | tybollt | holy shit doc |
| 18:44.00 | tybollt | you 51 yrs old? 8-o |
| 18:44.03 | Surfa | ubuntu is kind of different hing |
| 18:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: so what? |
| 18:44.26 | tybollt | surfa: DNF |
| 18:44.35 | tybollt | doc: Impressive |
| 18:44.37 | KnightStalker | mece: this is not qt lib this time,but Google Translate says I need libhildon1,but apt-get says its already installed |
| 18:44.52 | Surfa | it's developing free of charge sw, whereas nokia needs money to keep up and running |
| 18:45.11 | mece | Knightstalker, are you building? |
| 18:45.12 | gevaerts | Surfa: are you paying for PR1.2? |
| 18:45.31 | KnightStalker | mece,No I am not |
| 18:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: actually that's RX-51, but that doesn't imply any confirmation/denial of your assumption |
| 18:45.42 | KnightStalker | just trying to install an application |
| 18:45.47 | dmj726 | Ubuntu's not exactly the same, but I think most people will appreciate knowing what's going on more than months of seeming delays with no idea why or when something will happen. |
| 18:45.49 | Surfa | no, but people who pay for devices do |
| 18:46.10 | tybollt | no |
| 18:46.27 | Surfa | gevaerts, when you bought the device you simultaneously paid for nokia updates |
| 18:46.32 | tybollt | paying for N900 is paying for having nokia stick theirs up your bum. :) |
| 18:47.02 | KnightStalker | mece,you still there? |
| 18:47.08 | mece | ate |
| 18:47.11 | mece | aye I means |
| 18:47.23 | mtnbkr | will I get ALL apps, contacts photos - EVERYthing when I use the "backup" app? When this thing comes back from repair I'd like to be able to quickly get it back to normal. Anyone have to do this before? |
| 18:47.40 | mtnbkr | s/this thing/N900/ |
| 18:47.41 | KnightStalker | well it says "application list" |
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| 18:48.16 | KnightStalker | so mece,did you find any reasons for this? |
| 18:48.18 | MohammadAG | oh, a how to pirate the angry levels level pack thread |
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| 18:49.08 | mece | KnightStalker, err, ok I'm confused.. and now I have to go. bbl. |
| 18:49.15 | KnightStalker | k |
| 18:49.22 | KnightStalker | bye |
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| 18:49.59 | chadi | ubuntu lucid is out... what about PR 1.2? |
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| 18:51.49 | MohammadAG | chadi, topic |
| 18:52.00 | mtnbkr | KnightStalker: yeah... I just am a little worried. I guess I will just check the zip files after I scp them to my workstation |
| 18:52.04 | dmj726 | lucid is delayed until tomorrow |
| 18:52.06 | MohammadAG | /kick chadi You asked for it :P |
| 18:52.16 | MohammadAG | dmj726, it's available... |
| 18:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | mtnbkr: here. Mostly yes. Though all apps installed via apt-get are lsot, and other apps will get reinstalled with newest possibly broken version |
| 18:52.21 | MohammadAG | party's in #ubuntu-release-party |
| 18:52.26 | chadi | dmj726 lucid was out about 2 hours ago |
| 18:52.39 | chadi | MohammadAG sorry :-) |
| 18:52.40 | dmj726 | oh...must've respun the iso faster than expected |
| 18:52.49 | mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: I have a feeling that this in NOT going to be painless. |
| 18:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly |
| 18:53.20 | dmj726 | I should update from the beta |
| 18:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | probably a decent disk-image will serve better |
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| 18:53.50 | MohammadAG | dmj726, alt+F2, update-manager -d |
| 18:54.09 | dmj726 | hasn't run updates in a few days |
| 18:55.01 | mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: hmmm... well, I will at least manually grab the phots and "recaller" voice recordings and other stuff int he /home/user and /home/user/MyDos dir that dont appear to be in the zip files. |
| 18:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | mtnbkr: I suggest to prepare decent tarballs of root, ~user, and mydocs |
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| 18:56.33 | mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: you might rabbit. You might... :) |
| 18:56.34 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Ha ha ha, he said "balls" |
| 18:57.51 | KnightStalker | Are there any compass for Maemo at this stage? |
| 18:57.56 | KnightStalker | for n900 |
| 18:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | compass??? |
| 18:58.19 | lcuk | KnightStalker, theres a patch of moss on the side of the device |
| 18:58.33 | summel | lol |
| 18:58.44 | Gadgetoid_iMac | KnightStalker: you could glue a magnetic one to it... |
| 18:58.49 | gevaerts | lcuk: but what's the dominant wind direction? |
| 18:58.49 | KnightStalker | lol |
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| 18:59.01 | summel | gevaerts: that depends on the location |
| 18:59.10 | KnightStalker | Gad: then the magnetic one would probably harm the mobile |
| 18:59.14 | KnightStalker | :P |
| 18:59.27 | lcuk | gevaerts, if you slide open the keyboard, a weather vane pops out |
| 18:59.36 | gevaerts | summel: ah, and I do have GPS. I see where you're going :) |
| 18:59.36 | mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: ha! I almost forgot about the 20+GB of music and podcasts etc currently on this thing... |
| 18:59.52 | Gadgetoid_iMac | More like the magnets in the phone would throw off the GPS |
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| 19:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | mtnbkr: well, those are copied easily in mass storage mode |
| 19:00.23 | mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: yep. switching to that now.. |
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| 19:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | basically ;MyDocs is a nobrainer for backup |
| 19:01.00 | Gadgetoid_iMac | The N900 is full of magnets, it makes it run faster by keeping the atoms in the circuit traces properly aligned |
| 19:01.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I can't back up to either MyDocs or the uSD :) |
| 19:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, and I thought taht's called supraconduction and breaks on magnetic fields |
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| 19:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: enjoy ;-P |
| 19:02.34 | Gadgetoid_iMac | No no no! Circuit traces are like a series of tubes... |
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| 19:02.40 | RST38h | Ah shit we have lost DNS |
| 19:02.50 | MAK_ | hi all / ihave aproblem that when iwill install any apllication from application manger igot that msg there are not enougth memory in target location so what ican do plz help me |
| 19:03.14 | RST38h | MAK: It means there is not enough memory in target location |
| 19:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 19:03.38 | Gadgetoid_iMac | MAK_: Not enough minerals, Mine more minerals |
| 19:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | actually that might mean apt-cache is full |
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| 19:04.13 | RST38h | has it got the bung? |
| 19:04.24 | Gadgetoid_iMac | About the most I ever did on my N900 was moving stuff to /opt.. apart from that I don't seem to actually use it |
| 19:04.31 | RST38h | you should be able to pull the bung out and free up the apt-cache |
| 19:04.52 | MAK_ | yah itype df -h in xterminal and the rootfs and the available its 660 kb |
| 19:05.00 | MohammadAG | O_O |
| 19:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 19:05.09 | Gadgetoid_iMac | MAK_: you might want to appraise yourself of an optification script |
| 19:05.26 | MohammadAG | or do an apt-get clean |
| 19:05.38 | MAK_ | i did that mohammad |
| 19:05.39 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I'd be surprised if that helped much |
| 19:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | MAK_: disable all but the basic catalogs in hildon appmanager |
| 19:06.02 | MohammadAG | MAK_, get out of -devel :) |
| 19:06.27 | MAK_ | yah iwill do thnx all for helping |
| 19:06.52 | Gadgetoid_iMac | -devel is where all the good stuff that crashes or fills up your root FS is! |
| 19:07.15 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Real men enable devel and disable extras |
| 19:07.58 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
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| 19:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | MAK_: du -x / | sort -n |
| 19:08.30 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Or use wget and dpkg |
| 19:08.30 | KnightStalker | why apt-get clean doesn't function :O |
| 19:08.37 | gevaerts | refuses to enable devel as long as the system doesn't do PDiffs |
| 19:08.46 | mtnbkr | One last question... is there a handy URL to emo how to erase/default the N900 before I ship it back? |
| 19:08.55 | MohammadAG | KnightStalker, it does, it cleans *.deb from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:09.04 | MohammadAG | mtnbkr, |
| 19:09.07 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 19:09.08 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:09.17 | KnightStalker | but my mob still says,not enough memory in target location |
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| 19:09.24 | mtnbkr | MohammadAG: thanks much |
| 19:09.39 | MohammadAG | KnightStalker, then it's not .debs that are filling your / |
| 19:09.40 | MAK_ | itry all the available solutions // ithink ihave to reflash the device right ? |
| 19:10.07 | KnightStalker | MohammadAG so how to delete other files and free up my / |
| 19:10.15 | gevaerts | MohammadAG: here it cleans /home/apt-cache/archives :) |
| 19:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | MAK_: no. just clean up |
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| 19:11.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell MAK_ about optification |
| 19:11.06 | MAK_ | yah iwill try that thnx again for all |
| 19:11.26 | Gadgetoid_iMac | ~tell Gadgetoid_iMac about the birds and the bees |
| 19:11.36 | KnightStalker | ~tell KnightStalker about rootfs |
| 19:12.03 | MohammadAG | gevaerts, you mean /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache |
| 19:12.10 | KnightStalker | ~tell KnightStalker about cleaning rootfs |
| 19:12.14 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I can't believe the registry office is making me waste 3 CDs on fscking music |
| 19:12.20 | KnightStalker | ... |
| 19:12.27 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Music on CDs!? what sort of dumbass idea is that! |
| 19:13.00 | gevaerts | MohammadAG: actually, no |
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| 19:13.44 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: Do you really want to - as a non-technical person - want to debug why a registrees USB stick/memory card/... won't play? |
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| 19:14.25 | gevaerts | MohammadAG: that probably would have been a good choice too for non-HAM apt use, but I don't like MyDocs and FAT |
| 19:14.33 | KnightStalker | Do anybody know how to clear rootfs if the thing which is filling it is not deb and we cant use apt-get clean? |
| 19:14.42 | SpeedEvil | I suggest Prodigy - Fat of the land. |
| 19:14.58 | Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: can't imagine why it wouldn't... we've had audio format standards forever, yay! |
| 19:14.59 | gevaerts | KnightStalker: figure out what it is, and clean that up |
| 19:15.01 | SpeedEvil | KnightStalker: find out what fills it - remove it |
| 19:15.07 | Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: looks like we're going for Lamb Gorecki and some injan music |
| 19:15.12 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: people bringing in ext2? |
| 19:15.13 | RST38h | waZZZd |
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| 19:15.40 | TeQuillaaaA | hey...i have no libqt4-core |
| 19:15.43 | Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: But that would take a technical person just being a pain in the behind |
| 19:15.49 | TeQuillaaaA | this libary is missing |
| 19:15.55 | TeQuillaaaA | how can i install this file |
| 19:16.17 | TeQuillaaaA | or this libary |
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| 19:16.42 | KnightStalker | sudo apt-get install libqt4-core |
| 19:16.45 | KnightStalker | in xterminal |
| 19:16.56 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Hmm, I best stop complaining and find some blank CDs |
| 19:17.16 | TeQuillaaaA | KnightStalker: then the n900 says, that this file is the newest |
| 19:17.40 | KnightStalker | well,actually I have the same issue... |
| 19:18.09 | TeQuillaaaA | hm |
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| 19:18.57 | Gadgetoid_iMac | And figure out how the hell to create an Audio CD... it's on a par with me trying to put MP3s on vinyl |
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| 19:19.25 | SpeedEvil | man cdrecord |
| 19:20.35 | Gadgetoid_iMac | iTunes ;D |
| 19:21.53 | lcuk | has anyone managed to do sublime: format a vinyl and record mp3s onto it as digital tracks? :D |
| 19:22.37 | KnightStalker | TeQuilliaaaA: atm,I am trying this http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libqt4-maemo5-dev/4.6.2~git20100212-0maemo1/ |
| 19:22.53 | Gadgetoid_iMac | That would be an interesting exercise, I wonder how many mp3s you could fit |
| 19:23.31 | gevaerts | Gadgetoid_iMac: lots |
| 19:23.49 | lcuk | would probably be better as clay cylinders (recordable) afaik aren't vinyls pressed |
| 19:24.08 | lcuk | considers why it hasnt happened |
| 19:24.26 | Gadgetoid_iMac | does a dist upgrade on his netbook |
| 19:24.57 | KnightStalker | deleting all files from rootfs is secure? |
| 19:25.00 | KnightStalker | :P |
| 19:25.07 | KnightStalker | its killing me |
| 19:25.14 | lcuk | sure, nobody else can delete them then |
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| 19:25.27 | KnightStalker | hmm? |
| 19:25.41 | KnightStalker | so its secure right? |
| 19:25.55 | lcuk | define secure |
| 19:25.56 | KnightStalker | feels that he may ruin his mobile :p |
| 19:26.05 | lcuk | you never asked that |
| 19:26.12 | KnightStalker | secure = for the mobile not to get ruined |
| 19:26.25 | lcuk | strangest sense of the term ive heard |
| 19:26.25 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I hooked my N810 up to a Denon sound bar and have officially retired it as a music system |
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| 19:26.35 | johnsu01 | wonders if something changed about the mozilla maemo repo, it's been giving an error the last few days... |
| 19:26.52 | gevaerts | Gadgetoid_iMac: at least 2000 |
| 19:27.00 | Gadgetoid_iMac | gevaerts: wowser! |
| 19:27.12 | KnightStalker | lcuk: you may see stronger sense if I don't get this working :P |
| 19:27.28 | gevaerts | Gadgetoid_iMac: they would be very short and uninteresting mp3s :) |
| 19:27.47 | lcuk | KnightStalker, get what working where? ive been sidetracked with a few things |
| 19:28.02 | KnightStalker | never mind it... |
| 19:28.06 | KnightStalker | ! |
| 19:29.25 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I think Ubuntu is a bit choked up with upgrade traffic at the moment |
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| 19:33.17 | dmj726 | Has anyone tried the ubuntu arm port on an n900? |
| 19:33.22 | Khertan_n900 | Hi again |
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| 19:34.14 | dmj726 | florian: there is a maemo-gsoc channel |
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| 19:34.25 | lcuk | hello Khertan_n900 |
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| 19:36.15 | Khertan_n900 | heya lcuk |
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| 19:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | (<lcuk> has anyone managed to do sublime: format a vinyl and record mp3s) I had an LP with a program for lightshow on ZXspectrum |
| 19:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | lightshow for the audio tracks on the rest of the recors |
| 19:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | record |
| 19:38.54 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Hmm samba support on the n810 |
| 19:39.16 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Trying to work out how to mount my NAS so I can enumerate the music directories in Canola or something of that nature |
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| 19:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: so I guess you actually could stuff one song @ 32Kbps mp3 on one side of a vinyl |
| 19:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | 2400baud FSK |
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| 19:41.34 | gevaerts | DocScrutinizer: people haven't specified the length of these mp3s! |
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| 19:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | partypooper |
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| 19:42.35 | gevaerts | currently has a 625 byte mp3 file |
| 19:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:42.56 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Balls, smbclient wont install! |
| 19:43.00 | gevaerts | Gzip can get that to 122 bytes |
| 19:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | infinite chamber A' |
| 19:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 19:43.26 | gevaerts | one sample :) |
| 19:43.48 | sandstorm | hello while exploring I have recalibrated my screen on N900, I need to know if there is someway to revert it back to the factory calibration, as I am guessing, it is creating a calibration file which has some kind of coordinates and/or calibration data within. How can I reset the screen calibration to the factory defaults? Thanks. |
| 19:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | on MP3 one sample prolly can extend to virtually infinte duration though |
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| 19:44.44 | lcuk | sandstorm, just run the recalibration again? |
| 19:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: settings -> restore factory defaults |
| 19:45.11 | sandstorm | DocScrutinizer: will that reset the calibration data as well, sir ? |
| 19:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: if you manage to hit the buttons |
| 19:45.27 | sandstorm | lcuk: I don't want to recalibrate it, I need to revert it back to the factory defaults. |
| 19:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: I'd really hope so |
| 19:45.46 | sandstorm | DocScrutinizer: yes I can hit the buttons but I am not very confident with the latter results |
| 19:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | or simply reflash |
| 19:46.33 | sandstorm | I thought about reflashing but I supposed it should not be necessary for just making the calibration back to its first state |
| 19:47.03 | sandstorm | in my humble opinion, there should be a conf file which stores that calibration data, I need to replace it with the very first one |
| 19:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: for sure you're right |
| 19:47.27 | gevaerts | sandstorm: there probably is |
| 19:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: alas I have no idea where that file lives and what's its name |
| 19:47.46 | gevaerts | has a look |
| 19:47.58 | sandstorm | who can I consult about this internal information |
| 19:48.15 | sandstorm | I mean I need someone, or some authority who knows about this situation |
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| 19:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | btw odds are this is device-specific and is stored in a separate partition of NAND |
| 19:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: keep on asking here. every once in a while some wizard may notice |
| 19:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: any idea? |
| 19:50.15 | sandstorm | I wonder if somehow I can reach to the developers of that screen calibration app |
| 19:50.16 | Stskeeps | not in nand |
| 19:50.20 | gevaerts | sandstorm: /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi has the calibration data |
| 19:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: that's probably as good as it gets. Nag the devels? no way ;-) |
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| 19:52.43 | gevaerts | sandstorm: the default settings seem to be "200 3910 3761 180 0 0" |
| 19:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is RX-71?? |
| 19:53.23 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: n8? :) |
| 19:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: http://paste.debian.net/71266/ |
| 19:53.59 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:54.03 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27262 |
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| 19:55.42 | sandstorm | sorry, got dc-ed, could not read any reply |
| 19:56.10 | MohammadAG | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 19:56.22 | sandstorm | en-route |
| 19:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: http://paste.debian.net/71266/ |
| 19:57.23 | gevaerts | reboots his phone to get the screen calibrated properly again :) |
| 19:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-29 21:50:20] <gevaerts> sandstorm: /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi has the calibration data |
| 19:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-29 21:51:24] <DocScrutinizer> sandstorm: that's probably as good as it gets. Nag the devels? no way ;-) |
| 19:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-29 21:52:43] <gevaerts> sandstorm: the default settings seem to be "200 3910 3761 180 0 0" |
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| 19:58.30 | sandstorm | thank you very much, examining all that data. |
| 19:58.45 | gevaerts | You probably don't want to re-get the entire file, it also has the keyboard layout |
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| 19:59.07 | sandstorm | oh I see |
| 19:59.14 | sandstorm | I just need the coords actually |
| 19:59.19 | sandstorm | the numbers |
| 19:59.31 | sandstorm | I can manually reset them |
| 19:59.34 | jonne | small question about the n900: my phone company allows me to check how much money i have left on my prepaid card by forming the number #121# |
| 19:59.45 | jonne | but the n900 says it's not a valid number |
| 19:59.54 | jonne | is there a trick to make that work |
| 19:59.55 | jonne | ? |
| 20:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | get USSD pad |
| 20:00.26 | MAK_ | yah ussd pad or ussd widget aldo |
| 20:00.32 | sandstorm | gevaerts: sir, are those the confirmed factory defaults? I mean are you sure with them? |
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| 20:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: mine is from a fresh install that never seen a screen calib (the pastebin) |
| 20:01.39 | sandstorm | DocScrutinizer: thank you very much, sir. |
| 20:01.39 | gevaerts | sandstorm: I deleted the file and reinstalled the xserver-xorg-core package which includes it |
| 20:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: yw |
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| 20:02.28 | sandstorm | I wonder, whenever I update the firmware, is this screen calib conf file get reseted? |
| 20:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | good question |
| 20:02.48 | sandstorm | (guessing it probably is) |
| 20:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 20:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | at flashing a new firmware for sure it is |
| 20:03.27 | gevaerts | Depends on whether it's marked as a conf file. If this were debian, I'd report a bug about configuration in /usr :) |
| 20:03.35 | DocScrutinizer | for SSU I'd expect it to be preserved |
| 20:03.44 | sandstorm | unless the system has not got an ability to preserve these kind of user managed conf datas.. |
| 20:04.01 | sandstorm | gevaerts: agreed with that report. |
| 20:04.33 | sandstorm | since I am a completely stranger to maemo, I am trying to figure out the dynamics |
| 20:04.58 | gevaerts | It's not a conffile, so I suspect it will be overwritten with every new version of xserver-xorg-core |
| 20:05.18 | gevaerts | isn't sure though |
| 20:05.59 | sandstorm | if it isnot marked as a conf file(such as xorg.conf) I suppose it has a greater probability to get freshly created in every firmware update. |
| 20:06.27 | sandstorm | also keeping in mind that it does not reside in a user dir. |
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| 20:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | that seems to have few meaning to maemo ;-) |
| 20:08.18 | sandstorm | that's the point I am struggling at :) |
| 20:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | welcome to the club |
| 20:08.36 | sandstorm | :) |
| 20:08.56 | sandstorm | it feels good to be here |
| 20:09.03 | sandstorm | thanks for the warm welcome |
| 20:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 20:09.21 | Gadgetoid_iMac | HAI!!! |
| 20:09.26 | pupnik | sometimes synergy does weird things for me - spurious characters etc |
| 20:09.32 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Yes, successfully mounted a smb filesystem to my n810 |
| 20:09.38 | Gadgetoid_iMac | and can play mp3s via command line |
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| 20:10.47 | sandstorm | actually, I thought, I can contribute to the community by creating a very simple calib-resetter application :) |
| 20:11.18 | sandstorm | searched google, came up with no resetter solution yet instead of reflashing the whole system. |
| 20:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | well the file is Oct 19 2009 - FWIW |
| 20:13.02 | sandstorm | so that it strenghtens the idea of values are being the native ones. |
| 20:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | actually not anything, as the device has been reflashed completely recently |
| 20:13.17 | gevaerts | At least on the forums reflashing the whole system seems to be the recommended solution for all possible problems |
| 20:13.27 | sandstorm | nods. |
| 20:13.55 | gevaerts | "The number you called is busy. Try reflashing the system" |
| 20:14.13 | sandstorm | but as you appreaciate, people can accidentally re-calibrate the screen and can get unsatisfied with the inprecise results so that it is not very logical to do a whole reflashing |
| 20:14.20 | sandstorm | :))) |
| 20:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | "you moved your mouse. Reboot windows to make the pointer update" |
| 20:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: file a bug class enhancement with subject "touchscreen recalibration app is missing a 'reset to factory default' function" |
| 20:16.12 | sandstorm | I knew that I could brainstorm and figure out the concerning file, values and solution here so I am glad that it did not turned out to be the opposite |
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| 20:16.35 | sandstorm | DocScrutinizer: allright. |
| 20:16.41 | kamui | anyone using live wallpaper |
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| 20:16.58 | kamui | its relatively cool, but doesn't scroll, also, I wonder if you can spawn 4 for all your desktops |
| 20:18.26 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: there's synergy now? |
| 20:18.57 | dockane | hi all. is there any place to find out about fennec plugins? i oftens get stuck with information about pre-n900 releases (like in this case microB addons) and dont anything related to it |
| 20:19.23 | sandstorm | by the way, since I am very new to the system, I would appreciate if you want to name some of useful applications so that I can take a peek to them. |
| 20:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | that's really hard. Load applet is a must |
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| 20:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | torch is nice, though clumsy |
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| 20:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | tweakr |
| 20:21.32 | Shapeshifter | sandstorm: desktop command execution widget and/or queen beecon |
| 20:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | and alarmed ;-) |
| 20:22.21 | sandstorm | checking them, thanks very much |
| 20:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | xchat |
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| 20:22.46 | gevaerts | ssh |
| 20:22.50 | gevaerts | screen |
| 20:22.59 | sandstorm | oh good old screen |
| 20:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | less, bash, rootsh (!) |
| 20:23.22 | sandstorm | bash, lifesaver :) |
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| 20:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | mc |
| 20:24.01 | sandstorm | but I will go with irssi instead xchat I guess :) |
| 20:24.08 | gevaerts | the various gnu tools |
| 20:24.15 | DocScrutinizer | toldya it's hard to tell |
| 20:24.31 | sandstorm | don't worry, it is good to hear thoughts |
| 20:24.45 | gevaerts | I'd say gcc and friends, but they're not optified :\ |
| 20:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | numptyphysics |
| 20:25.43 | sandstorm | that torch is quite useful |
| 20:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | if it's the real one |
| 20:26.10 | MAK_ | hi all iam now reflashing my device wish me luck lool |
| 20:26.16 | sandstorm | hmm, is there an immitation as well ? |
| 20:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | not the liqtorch white screen app with 42MB libliq ;-P |
| 20:26.27 | sandstorm | oh I see |
| 20:26.37 | lcuk | liqbase is much smaller than 42mb! |
| 20:26.46 | frals | :D |
| 20:26.55 | lcuk | and when the next update occurs it will be optified too |
| 20:27.04 | lcuk | now i have a fair idea how to do it! |
| 20:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | hooray :-D |
| 20:27.37 | sandstorm | oh by the way, for GPS navigation, is there anything good instead of nokia maps ? |
| 20:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 20:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | hot topic |
| 20:28.04 | sandstorm | Nokia Maps is good enough but just curiousity |
| 20:28.04 | MAK_ | sandstorm __sygic |
| 20:28.06 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the lib is actually tiny - 300kb |
| 20:28.25 | sandstorm | MAK_: checking that, thanks |
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| 20:28.39 | MAK_ | sandstorm__ur welcome |
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| 20:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I nuked the whitescreen around xmas and never agein looked into it |
| 20:29.33 | lcuk | sure |
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| 20:30.06 | frals | love testing if i messed something up and first tests is fubar because my operators mmsc returns internal server error, and when sending 2nd test message it doesnt get sent because i get an incoming mms the exact same second i press send |
| 20:30.10 | frals | >_< |
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| 20:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:31.32 | summel | time to shoot some developers again! |
| 20:31.35 | summel | >_> |
| 20:32.12 | lcuk | summel, if you shoot developers they come back worse |
| 20:32.18 | lcuk | its like a zombie movie |
| 20:32.26 | summel | now i cant use the build in webbrowser anymore! |
| 20:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | zombie process |
| 20:32.29 | lcuk | only they return from the dead as accountants and lawyers |
| 20:32.29 | summel | wtf! |
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| 20:32.35 | MAK_ | luck___loooool |
| 20:34.02 | MohammadAG | seeding apparently rapes upload speed |
| 20:34.24 | MAK_ | mohammad AG hi |
| 20:34.26 | summel | WHY is my rootfs 95% full? |
| 20:34.28 | summel | ???? |
| 20:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: WTF? |
| 20:34.29 | summel | >_> |
| 20:34.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, seeding Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 20:34.51 | GAN900 | Huh? |
| 20:34.57 | GAN900 | Seeding is uploading? |
| 20:35.09 | MohammadAG | err, yeah, for torrents |
| 20:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG has a nightmare |
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| 20:35.21 | MohammadAG | leeching is downloading without uploading |
| 20:35.22 | javispedro | who'd have known! |
| 20:35.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm perfectly awake :) |
| 20:35.41 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, leeching is downloading more than you upload. |
| 20:36.07 | MohammadAG | badly formed sentence :) |
| 20:36.26 | GAN900 | The protocol generally penalizes you for not uploading. |
| 20:36.47 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 20:36.48 | GAN900 | Now, Comcast makes seeding "rape" upload speed. :P |
| 20:36.58 | javispedro | is tempted of suggesting a +5M⬠place for the 2010 summit |
| 20:37.11 | MohammadAG | lol, I'm getting 5kbps for anything other than the torrent |
| 20:37.13 | GAN900 | Traffic shaping |
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| 20:37.25 | MohammadAG | torrent's uploading @ 80+kbps |
| 20:37.31 | GAN900 | Evil shit that the FCC couldn't manage to strike down. |
| 20:37.41 | GAN900 | javispedro, do it! |
| 20:37.48 | GAN900 | javispedro, Peter will make it happen! |
| 20:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | I just want 1M⬠|
| 20:37.58 | GAN900 | Let's fly everybody to Tokyo! |
| 20:38.11 | javispedro | heh |
| 20:38.24 | MohammadAG | Firefox for mobile Firefox 1.1 Beta 1 for Maemo is out! Read more and get it here: http://bit.ly/balhRm |
| 20:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | 500k? |
| 20:38.30 | MohammadAG | facebook is useful sometimes ^ |
| 20:38.45 | MohammadAG | gives DocScrutinizer 500k |
| 20:39.03 | javispedro | from http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Summit_2010 the budget must be around 500k⬠tops |
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| 20:39.44 | GAN900 | â¬150k |
| 20:39.46 | GAN900 | lol |
| 20:40.16 | javispedro | gah 600 rom |
| 20:40.19 | javispedro | *room. |
| 20:40.28 | javispedro | *person room. |
| 20:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | kk, so I'll ask for a humble 50k |
| 20:40.29 | javispedro | :) |
| 20:40.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: and you'll make the summit in your home? three people per sofa! |
| 20:41.09 | GAN900 | javispedro, we have to make room for all of corporate types. :rolleyes: |
| 20:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, another nice idea |
| 20:41.21 | MohammadAG | asks for 1 |
| 20:41.25 | MohammadAG | just for the hell of it |
| 20:41.26 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 20:41.39 | javispedro | GAN900: oh, corporate types will love the +5M⬠place |
| 20:41.56 | javispedro | They gave me some brochures for some totally unrelated reason |
| 20:42.06 | javispedro | it has even a private golf club |
| 20:42.10 | javispedro | clearly the best choice! |
| 20:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeeeeha |
| 20:42.18 | pupnik | yaay javispedro!!! |
| 20:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | N900-golfing |
| 20:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | "hand me the N900 Iron" |
| 20:43.19 | GAN900 | waits for all of the budget to go to sponsoring journalists |
| 20:43.40 | javispedro | only issue is that the bigger room is only ~150 people. the massaging chairs are that big. |
| 20:43.48 | javispedro | *massage. |
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| 20:44.58 | GAN900 | just passed an Exige. |
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| 20:45.07 | javispedro | dreams for a while then goes back to looking for sub1⬠places =) |
| 20:46.32 | BCMM | how can i prevent sshd being on by default? |
| 20:46.49 | BCMM | i.e. start when i start it, not when my n900 boots up |
| 20:47.38 | javispedro | if you delete /etc/event.d/sshd and /etc/init.d/sshd it won't start |
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| 20:48.17 | BCMM | javispedro: i want to be able to start it manually using /etc/init.d/sshd |
| 20:48.24 | BCMM | i just don't want it to come on at boot time |
| 20:48.51 | javispedro | then delete the /etc/event.d one only, iirc it won't try to start init.d scripts |
| 20:49.10 | BCMM | is the the "proper" way to do it? |
| 20:49.27 | BCMM | i'm looking for the equivalent of rc-update in gentoo or rcconf in ubuntu |
| 20:49.40 | javispedro | no, you won't find that |
| 20:50.02 | javispedro | also note that this is upstart we're talking about. |
| 20:50.54 | BCMM | ah, didn't know that |
| 20:50.56 | BCMM | thanks |
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| 20:56.37 | rm_you | Maemo uses Upstart instead of init.d? |
| 20:56.43 | rm_you | err |
| 20:56.44 | rm_you | rc.d |
| 20:57.38 | BCMM | for some reason update-rc.d is installed |
| 20:57.40 | BCMM | it didn't work |
| 20:59.37 | javispedro | Fremantle uses upstart, yes. |
| 20:59.45 | javispedro | check your /etc/event.d dir |
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| 21:13.28 | BCMM | javispedro: thanks |
| 21:13.39 | BCMM | changed first line to "start on startsshd" |
| 21:13.47 | BCMM | (rather than deleting) |
| 21:13.51 | javispedro | ah |
| 21:13.56 | javispedro | if you were worried about deleting, |
| 21:14.00 | javispedro | you could also chmod a-r |
| 21:14.11 | javispedro | but that will be fine too :) |
| 21:14.42 | BCMM | javispedro: i thought that rm'ing the file might interfere with the status area thing i use to start it |
| 21:15.08 | Djigorifico | <------ say hello to a new (NOOB) developer |
| 21:15.11 | BCMM | now it is off on boot, but the button starts it just fine |
| 21:15.16 | BCMM | Djigorifico: hello |
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| 21:15.19 | javispedro | nice |
| 21:15.59 | BCMM | "SSH Status and Switcher" is the package |
| 21:16.28 | lcuk | Djigorifico, sorry we have filled vanacies for noob developers and monkeys and stuff |
| 21:16.34 | BCMM | maybe at some point i'll get cleverer and have SSH enabled automatically when it detects my wlan |
| 21:17.02 | lbt | lcuk: we got the monkeys..? cool |
| 21:17.18 | lcuk | Djigorifico, but if you know how to make a proper bacon sandwich im sure people will offer you guidance :D |
| 21:17.21 | BCMM | status thingy is clearly pretty well-written; i was kinda expecting it to assume ssh was on at startup |
| 21:17.24 | lcuk | lbt, sure, noobmonk3y |
| 21:19.04 | Djigorifico | lol |
| 21:19.08 | lcuk | lbt your n900 should be flashing with Healthcheck updates all the time as pyqt finds its footing under monk3ys expert hand |
| 21:19.48 | lbt | pyqt... thought that was dead |
| 21:20.11 | lcuk | well its happily being used by healthcheck |
| 21:20.36 | lcuk | code never ides |
| 21:20.42 | lcuk | dies either |
| 21:20.44 | lbt | really needs to redo shopper |
| 21:20.51 | SpeedEvil | beware the ides of code! |
| 21:20.58 | lcuk | slaps SpeedEvil |
| 21:21.20 | lcuk | Djigorifico, you say you are a noob developer - what do you mean, new to linux/maemo or new totally |
| 21:21.43 | frals | smells luck... you dont smell new! |
| 21:21.57 | Djigorifico | lcuk new totally.. |
| 21:22.19 | lbt | so what have you developed? |
| 21:22.23 | lcuk | frals, i failed my own healthcheck - the fragometer exploded when i took my shoes off for measurement |
| 21:22.23 | lbt | if you're a developer? |
| 21:22.24 | Djigorifico | and oh i'm new to irc too |
| 21:22.32 | frals | lcuk: :D |
| 21:23.05 | lcuk | Djigorifico, so what do you do with yourself currently? |
| 21:24.04 | lbt | suggests that Djigorifico learns to type quicker as step #1 to becoming a better developer... |
| 21:24.05 | javispedro | code never dies -- it just bitrots |
| 21:24.14 | lcuk | silicon heaven :'( |
| 21:24.25 | pupnik | be nice to new bees |
| 21:24.36 | Djigorifico | wait wait... IRC question... how do i reply to someone? |
| 21:24.38 | lcuk | is nice to old bees too |
| 21:24.41 | lbt | javispedro: I once wrote to a guy to ask him to opensource a library to "avoid bitrot" |
| 21:24.48 | lcuk | Djigorifico, just type their name? |
| 21:25.00 | lcuk | bitrot occurs in OSS too |
| 21:25.10 | lbt | he, in all seriousness, told me that code didn't rot |
| 21:25.19 | javispedro | hehe |
| 21:25.26 | lbt | and then told me his academic qualifications to prove he was right |
| 21:25.31 | lcuk | same as the mightiest tree in the forest can fall - being open and outside does not stop evolution |
| 21:25.32 | lbt | professor... |
| 21:25.34 | lbt | IT... |
| 21:25.45 | Djigorifico | lcuk I do communication & multimedia design |
| 21:25.54 | lcuk | cool beans |
| 21:25.57 | lbt | need I say, it was java 1.3 code... and it's now f*kn useless |
| 21:26.14 | SpeedEvil | lbt: Dig up old email. reply. |
| 21:26.21 | lcuk | used to maintain a program which has its original roots as a qbasic app |
| 21:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: test your tabkey for nick completion |
| 21:26.22 | javispedro | SpeedEvil++ ;) |
| 21:26.36 | lbt | SpeedEvil: mmm I might :) |
| 21:26.57 | Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer: thank you doc |
| 21:27.29 | Djigorifico | lcuk: so i do webdesign basically |
| 21:27.32 | pupnik | welcome Djigorifico -- hope you dont mind the snarky old men |
| 21:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | who's old??? |
| 21:28.17 | javispedro | pr1.2 |
| 21:28.27 | Djigorifico | pupnik: thank you, nah I'm the new generation |
| 21:28.31 | javispedro | should start an internet meme around pr1.2 |
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| 21:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | pr1.2 actually bitrots |
| 21:28.52 | javispedro | that is true since the day the froze |
| 21:28.56 | javispedro | *they froze |
| 21:29.11 | lcuk | are you sure everything froze tho? |
| 21:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:29.21 | frals | its finland, ofc it froze |
| 21:29.35 | ds3 | fmms is sure changing fast |
| 21:29.48 | frals | *rolleyes* |
| 21:29.58 | lcuk | yeah ds3 it changed from not working, to working! |
| 21:30.08 | ds3 | I get almost one update every few days |
| 21:30.21 | lcuk | really? i would check your config |
| 21:30.25 | javispedro | on finland, you do not start a code freeze -- it starts by itself and you have to code every day for it not to freeze! |
| 21:30.35 | lcuk | fmms updates a few times every day for me lol |
| 21:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | is it changing faster than foreca with compiled in forecast of next 9 days? |
| 21:30.57 | Djigorifico | lcuk: do I fit in with my knowledge? or should i stick to making bacon sandwiches? |
| 21:31.06 | javispedro | bacon! |
| 21:31.16 | ds3 | Hmmm I think i am in trouble with the latest update |
| 21:31.20 | javispedro | you already hit one of the channel keywords in just a few minutes! |
| 21:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm bacon :-) |
| 21:31.26 | ds3 | it lost track of my APN :( |
| 21:31.40 | frals | lost track? |
| 21:31.48 | lcuk | Djigorifico, of course you do! the more the merrier |
| 21:31.56 | Djigorifico | everybody loves bacon |
| 21:31.59 | ds3 | first time I run this new version and Access Point says "Configure" |
| 21:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: of course you'll find ways to 'fit in' |
| 21:32.05 | ds3 | I had one in there already with fAPN |
| 21:32.07 | javispedro | doesn't love bacon |
| 21:32.20 | lcuk | can someone kick javispedro please |
| 21:32.26 | frals | ds3: the whole config apn shebangthingy was rewritten in 0.9.x |
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| 21:32.41 | javispedro | Docs: Don't even think of it |
| 21:32.41 | lcuk | JOKING! |
| 21:32.45 | ds3 | frals: so is there a special clean up I need to do to remove the stuff from fAPN? |
| 21:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | /kick javispedro |
| 21:32.49 | javispedro | prepares for the inevitable kick now |
| 21:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | ooops |
| 21:32.51 | lcuk | :D |
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| 21:32.55 | frals | it shouldve maybe possibly imported your old settings... but it might have failed :P |
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| 21:33.00 | lcuk | hahaha |
| 21:33.17 | javispedro | *sound of relief* |
| 21:33.19 | w00t_ | wanders in |
| 21:33.29 | ds3 | I came across a posting in that 128+ page thread about using gconf to scrub things.. is that what I need ? |
| 21:33.31 | lcuk | hey w00t_ |
| 21:33.32 | lbt | javispedro: SpeedEvil: "Hmm. As a computer science professor specializing in software engineering tools, I can assure you that bits in compiled source code (as compared to bits on optical or magnetic media) do not "rot"... " |
| 21:33.32 | frals | ds3: you can just remove the old one with fAPN, should be no problem i think :P |
| 21:33.35 | w00t_ | taht election debate was a bloody annoying timesink |
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| 21:33.39 | lcuk | Djigorifico, is making bacon butties if you want one |
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| 21:33.41 | w00t_ | where did my evening go >:( |
| 21:33.42 | frals | ds3: yeah do that and then reinstall, best option :) |
| 21:33.47 | *** kick/#maemo [DocScrutinizer51!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (User terminated!) |
| 21:33.55 | ds3 | frals: is fapn needed anymore? |
| 21:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | U suck! |
| 21:34.00 | frals | ds3: nope |
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| 21:34.05 | ds3 | okay |
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| 21:34.24 | lcuk | im flad i dont need to fap to send mms's |
| 21:34.25 | Djigorifico | ok, I want to start developing...problem is.. I don't have a linux system |
| 21:34.26 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.38 | frals | Djigorifico: you dont need one |
| 21:34.47 | lcuk | Djigorifico, investigate MADDE or the new qt sdk |
| 21:34.49 | w00t_ | Djigorifico: ah! you made it then |
| 21:35.05 | frals | Djigorifico: im developing on win7 (or well, directly on device, but ye.. :P) |
| 21:35.11 | Djigorifico | w00t_: yess!! |
| 21:35.18 | w00t_ | frals: and you said lcuk was insane for on-device development (:P) |
| 21:35.25 | javispedro | lbt: so he really understood bitrot in the literal sense? O.o |
| 21:35.37 | Djigorifico | lcuk: i got qt creator |
| 21:35.39 | w00t_ | Djigorifico: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ |
| 21:35.40 | javispedro | I was thiking something else :) |
| 21:35.53 | frals | w00t_: coding python on device is A LOT saner than coding and COMPILING c on device! |
| 21:35.59 | w00t_ | frals: pfft |
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| 21:36.34 | w00t_ | I was actually thinking about how to do distributed on-device compiles the other week, got to put the two n900s we have here to work somehow :) |
| 21:36.43 | Djigorifico | w00t_: I got that too |
| 21:37.05 | frals | i was gonna try that nokia qt sdk, created a hello world app, failed to compile :( |
| 21:37.12 | frals | got sad and went back to coding python on device! |
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| 21:37.53 | w00t_ | it certainly has kinks |
| 21:38.03 | w00t_ | I'm not surprised given it's such early days |
| 21:38.23 | SpeedEvil | w00t_: Gwaaaan. |
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| 21:38.30 | w00t_ | SpeedEvil: mm? |
| 21:38.31 | frals | but up until compiling stage it looked good! |
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| 21:38.34 | SpeedEvil | w00t_: Make distcc in extras-devel |
| 21:38.39 | w00t_ | SpeedEvil: heheh |
| 21:38.43 | ds3 | what's the latest procedure for using fmms? do I still need to disconnect first then download an MMS? |
| 21:38.46 | Djigorifico | Ok so I got the qt creator installed, tried to make a hello world app. but it never made it to my phone |
| 21:38.46 | lcuk | w00t_, i have scripts to do it now, but its a ballache |
| 21:38.49 | SpeedEvil | w00t_: So any compilation is shared over all devices with it installed. |
| 21:38.53 | frals | ds3: depends on connection mode |
| 21:38.57 | lcuk | i want compilation to occur to all members of group |
| 21:39.01 | frals | ds3: (first post of fmms thread is somewhat up to date) |
| 21:39.05 | w00t_ | SpeedEvil: public n900 compile farm? hmm. :P |
| 21:39.22 | javispedro | we have excellent cross compilers, use them! |
| 21:39.29 | w00t_ | javispedro: that takes all the fun out of life |
| 21:39.44 | javispedro | oh, fun was battling compiler bugs back in cs2005 and older toolchain |
| 21:39.50 | javispedro | s. |
| 21:40.02 | ds3 | frals: which thread? the one I been trying to keep up with has 128+ pages |
| 21:40.13 | frals | ds3: the huge one at 151 pages |
| 21:40.58 | ds3 | 151...hehe... I am so far behind |
| 21:41.21 | frals | ds3: but as i said, the first post should be enough ;) |
| 21:42.02 | ds3 | turns out I had it working but for some reason old MMS messages couldn't be downloaded... no biggie |
| 21:42.19 | frals | they probably got deleted from the operators mmsc ;) |
| 21:42.48 | ds3 | it has only been 4 days! |
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| 21:43.00 | frals | hmm :P |
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| 21:43.48 | ds3 | anyways... I like this new version...thanks! |
| 21:43.54 | frals | np! |
| 21:44.19 | ds3 | it seems to have seemless integrated (at least to the level I care about) |
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| 21:52.20 | lcuk | might actually finish the dreaming void tonight |
| 21:52.34 | Djigorifico | anybody got Qt tutorials? and how do i port apps to my phone? |
| 21:52.35 | lcuk | oooh 40 pages left |
| 21:52.57 | SpeedEvil | hamilton++ |
| 21:53.14 | lcuk | with qt, yoo should just be able to change the build configuration to target maemo/meego and copy resulting stuff over |
| 21:53.30 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, yeah but hes very wordy |
| 21:53.33 | asjWrk | Djigorifico: Qt comes with a series of tutorials in the docs |
| 21:53.47 | lcuk | its been hard work remembering all the actors and protagonists etc |
| 21:54.07 | lcuk | especially since ive been uber busy |
| 21:54.32 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I recommend Vernor Vinge - A fire upon the deep. |
| 21:54.35 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I cheat |
| 21:54.43 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I have a hacky awk script |
| 21:55.14 | lcuk | an awk script to read a book? |
| 21:55.24 | javispedro | "Microsoft Confirms Courier Project By Cancelling It" |
| 21:55.25 | Proteous | SpeedEvil: love that book |
| 21:55.35 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: It looks for capitalised words where they should not be (proper names) and if the name has not occurred in the past 50 lines - link back to the first occurrance |
| 21:55.48 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Stupid, but works surprisingly well |
| 21:56.33 | SpeedEvil | Very good for 'cast of thousands' books. |
| 21:57.23 | Proteous | what about cast on long named creatures that arer also rerfered to with various nicknames books? |
| 21:57.35 | Djigorifico | lcuk: where do i change the target? |
| 21:57.58 | SpeedEvil | Proteous: Works OK - it links back to the first mention of the nick - which tends to function the same |
| 21:58.10 | Proteous | heh |
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| 21:58.53 | lcuk | Djigorifico, i dunno ive not had time recently to investigate i did all my qt hacking from command line |
| 21:59.44 | SpeedEvil | http://www.baen.com/library/0671878468/0671878468.htm - somewhat silly. Forth as wizardry. |
| 21:59.54 | asjWrk | pro files don't have a target, you run qmake from the qt on the device you want to run on |
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| 22:01.37 | asjWrk | (well they obviously have a target to create, but not a device) |
| 22:01.51 | Djigorifico | asjWrk: so i just have to qmake it and send it to the device? |
| 22:02.58 | asjWrk | Djigorifico: essentially, of course you have to have all the cross tools, cross compiled qt, etc all installed and working...the nokia qt beta sdk takes care of that I beleive |
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| 22:03.38 | Djigorifico | asjWrk: ok i'll try that brb |
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| 22:18.29 | Mace_N900 | i set a jayz mp3 as my ring tone and i think my phone speakers were popping |
| 22:19.08 | SpeedEvil | filter to remove any content under about 200hz |
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| 22:21.07 | lcuk | hey python peeps - any idea where i can get pyopengl library from? |
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| 22:21.27 | lcuk | i want to use some pyside opengl and the examples need it for something or other |
| 22:21.28 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634141#post634141 |
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| 22:26.24 | Mace_N900 | is there like |
| 22:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: isn't that what the nokia-proprietary PA speaker protector does? |
| 22:26.47 | Mace_N900 | a way to define a certain ringtone per person? |
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| 22:26.53 | maddler | hey all! |
| 22:26.58 | Mace_N900 | i dont see the option in contacts |
| 22:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: not ootb |
| 22:27.12 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 22:27.19 | Mace_N900 | ootb? |
| 22:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: but there are some projects |
| 22:27.26 | maddler | out of the box |
| 22:27.28 | SpeedEvil | Out Of The BVox |
| 22:27.29 | Mace_N900 | oh |
| 22:27.35 | Mace_N900 | damn |
| 22:27.38 | Mace_N900 | that sucks |
| 22:27.43 | maddler | what's going on in here? :) |
| 22:27.48 | maddler | Mace_N900: what's up? |
| 22:27.55 | Mace_N900 | huh? |
| 22:28.10 | Mace_N900 | no way gto define ringtones for contacts |
| 22:28.15 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 22:28.36 | Mace_N900 | some of the maemo options remind me of symbian |
| 22:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: told you there are several projects implementing that |
| 22:28.49 | Mace_N900 | doc.. that are released? |
| 22:28.51 | maddler | indeed, personal ringtones are useful |
| 22:29.01 | Mace_N900 | or on the way? |
| 22:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: projects in FOSS never are 'released', the evolve in public |
| 22:29.38 | Mace_N900 | i didnt notice any on the repos |
| 22:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | seems they got a state of being useable |
| 22:30.08 | lcuk | Mace_N900, in tmo forums the startings of technical solutions etc |
| 22:30.16 | lcuk | first generation hacks to make it work :) |
| 22:30.19 | Mace_N900 | blah |
| 22:30.21 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 22:30.23 | lcuk | can see them evolving quickly |
| 22:30.26 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 22:30.40 | Mace_N900 | so when the N1000 is out |
| 22:30.42 | lcuk | Mace_N900, why laugh, everything starts as a hack |
| 22:30.55 | Mace_N900 | i can have personalizedmcontact ringtones |
| 22:30.55 | maddler | ahhh, evolution! |
| 22:30.56 | maddler | :D |
| 22:30.56 | lcuk | polishing it and making it viable to be integrated is the next (and longer phase) |
| 22:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is N1000? |
| 22:31.06 | Mace_N900 | in maemo 7 |
| 22:31.12 | maddler | DocScrutinizer: N900+100? |
| 22:31.15 | lcuk | Mace_N900, 6 months ago we had no mms |
| 22:31.19 | Mace_N900 | which wont run on a nOPP |
| 22:31.23 | Mace_N900 | n900 |
| 22:31.26 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 22:31.29 | asjWrk | Mace_N900: I still don't ;) |
| 22:31.34 | Mace_N900 | mms? |
| 22:31.41 | Mace_N900 | i have sms.. no mms |
| 22:31.46 | dockane | who cares of mms? |
| 22:31.48 | maddler | well... I actually owned all the internet tablets |
| 22:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | smells trolling |
| 22:31.56 | Mace_N900 | or am missing something? |
| 22:31.59 | lcuk | does too |
| 22:32.13 | asjWrk | Mace_N900: replied to the wrong person, that was for lcuk |
| 22:32.15 | lcuk | Mace_N900, fmms |
| 22:32.18 | *** mode/#maemo [+o lcuk] by ChanServ |
| 22:32.28 | Mace_N900 | fmms? where? |
| 22:32.31 | lcuk | oh, nice |
| 22:32.34 | maddler | 770->800->810->900 |
| 22:32.46 | Mace_N900 | looks |
| 22:32.48 | lcuk | eeny meeny miny mo |
| 22:32.52 | maddler | and things keep evolving... |
| 22:32.56 | lcuk | where should my hammer go |
| 22:33.08 | maddler | lcuk: don't look at me! :) |
| 22:33.10 | *** mode/#maemo [-o lcuk] by lcuk |
| 22:33.16 | dockane | i care of browsing the net .. and still did not get the point of addons for fennec |
| 22:33.35 | lcuk | thanks tho doc |
| 22:33.42 | Mace_N900 | no fmms on repos |
| 22:33.48 | Mace_N900 | blah :) |
| 22:33.52 | summel | now back to the tardis! |
| 22:33.54 | summel | :o |
| 22:33.54 | Mace_N900 | it comes in handy |
| 22:33.55 | summel | scnr |
| 22:33.59 | asjWrk | Mace_N900: install all the repos |
| 22:34.09 | Mace_N900 | where is the list? |
| 22:34.19 | maddler | dockane: adblock is good :) |
| 22:34.19 | lcuk | no, dont |
| 22:34.23 | Mace_N900 | is there a .deb that installs them for you? |
| 22:34.25 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 22:34.27 | maddler | beside you can have it in microb as well :) |
| 22:34.35 | lcuk | mace if you want to wait until its completely ready just hand on |
| 22:34.37 | Mace_N900 | i hate typing all that stuff |
| 22:34.53 | summel | maddler: that did not work for me -_- |
| 22:35.08 | Mace_N900 | lcuk, oh... ok |
| 22:35.10 | lcuk | but for your info, http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ |
| 22:35.14 | asjWrk | lcuk: will fmms make it into extras? |
| 22:35.27 | summel | yes |
| 22:35.33 | summel | 1.0 is near |
| 22:35.39 | maddler | summel: working fine here... strange... |
| 22:35.45 | maddler | fmms is in devel |
| 22:36.02 | summel | maddler: i always get a 404 when trying to opn the page where i an add the subscriptions -_- |
| 22:36.20 | summel | fmms 1.0 sould hit testing soon :) |
| 22:36.20 | maddler | summel: even more strange... |
| 22:36.40 | dockane | maddler: adblock. wow. ok. now what about:config? |
| 22:36.44 | dockane | unusalbe |
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| 22:37.22 | lcuk | summel, when it hits testing it should be tested thoroughly and we have to collectively help frals |
| 22:37.34 | maddler | dockane: never said fennec is perfect :) |
| 22:37.45 | summel | i do not enable testing on my phone! |
| 22:37.54 | summel | i have enough problems with it as it is now :( |
| 22:37.58 | lcuk | summel, ok reasonable enough |
| 22:38.13 | lcuk | whats your principle issue(s) ? |
| 22:38.27 | maddler | dockane: maemo is (yet) far from perfect and (perhaps?) not yet ready for "standard" users |
| 22:38.39 | summel | 1. rootfs is foll and thus microb stopps working avery now and then |
| 22:38.53 | summel | 2. fs on the uSD card always gets corrupted |
| 22:39.02 | summel | 3. i cant rearrange the phone numbers of a contact |
| 22:39.11 | summel | cant remember the rest atm :P |
| 22:39.57 | maddler | summel: video-calls? ;) |
| 22:40.10 | lcuk | ok rootfs is simplest, just remove some extra apps for now, pr1.2 has some additional help in this regard |
| 22:40.25 | lcuk | 2 you live near cern as we sussed the other night, i do find it odd |
| 22:40.29 | SpeedEvil | Also - disable all teh repositories |
| 22:40.29 | summel | maddler: never tested because my provider does not support it and i dont have a contact with a sip account and it does not work over jabber appearantly |
| 22:40.31 | lcuk | 3 is there a bug report? |
| 22:40.32 | dockane | maddler: there is nothing wrong about that. considerable flawless browsing needs basics like flash block imho |
| 22:40.32 | SpeedEvil | and gain some space |
| 22:40.49 | summel | lcuk: but afaik NO app installs in rootfs... they all go in MyDocs? |
| 22:40.53 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, from what summel just said he doesnt run -testing or -devel stuff |
| 22:41.01 | lcuk | summel, false |
| 22:41.16 | summel | lcuk: yes i did not enable ANY additional repository |
| 22:41.23 | lcuk | the maemo-optify to date does not move everything off the rootfs |
| 22:41.24 | SpeedEvil | many apps go in /home |
| 22:41.25 | summel | even if that would fix problem no. 4 |
| 22:41.31 | lcuk | and not everyapp moves everything |
| 22:41.38 | SpeedEvil | summel: how old is your n900? |
| 22:41.45 | summel | SpeedEvil: a few days ... |
| 22:41.46 | maddler | dockane: I agree. That's why, beside being *more than happy* with my N900, I think Maemo needs to keep improving |
| 22:41.52 | summel | tomorrow its a week |
| 22:41.59 | lcuk | summel, reasonable enough sticking with just extras |
| 22:42.02 | maddler | dockane: lot of things "missing", and many to fix |
| 22:42.08 | SpeedEvil | summel: Install gnu-find - find / -ctime -5 |
| 22:42.12 | lcuk | if your app manager is still working |
| 22:42.16 | SpeedEvil | find / -mount |
| 22:42.19 | lcuk | then remove stuff you dont use/like |
| 22:42.22 | SpeedEvil | to show all new files |
| 22:42.26 | SpeedEvil | on rootfs |
| 22:42.49 | summel | SpeedEvil: there is no package gnu-find |
| 22:42.49 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, no point in extra confusion if none required yet - summel did you get device from new? |
| 22:42.52 | lcuk | or second user |
| 22:43.00 | SpeedEvil | summel: settings->about - what is the version? |
| 22:43.08 | SpeedEvil | summel: oops - sorry - it's from extras |
| 22:43.13 | SpeedEvil | or extras-devel |
| 22:43.25 | summel | 3.2010.02-8 |
| 22:43.32 | lcuk | yes SpeedEvil hold off on installing anything, lets just take it easy |
| 22:43.43 | summel | i dont enable -devel or -testing or anything ele |
| 22:43.51 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 22:43.53 | lcuk | summel, if you open app manager can you remove things |
| 22:43.56 | summel | lcuk: yes its a new one |
| 22:43.56 | lcuk | or does it shout at you |
| 22:44.01 | summel | freshly from amazon |
| 22:44.08 | SpeedEvil | summel: by 'full' - what do you mean? |
| 22:44.14 | summel | lcuk: i guess but i did not install a lot of apps and i need most |
| 22:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | kill some of the bloated games |
| 22:44.21 | summel | SpeedEvil: df -h shows 95% |
| 22:44.39 | summel | even after removing firefox |
| 22:44.42 | summel | which sucks btw |
| 22:44.43 | summel | :D |
| 22:44.52 | lcuk | summel, sure it does |
| 22:45.23 | lcuk | its something every developer and nokia are trying hard to ensure you can install everything you want on device :) |
| 22:45.32 | dockane | what makes me a little bit upset is the point that there is a lot of confusion when trying to get documentation |
| 22:45.46 | Mace_N900 | no way to copy txt in the browser? |
| 22:45.54 | summel | then why not simply make 1 32gb / fs? -_- |
| 22:45.58 | lcuk | Mace_N900, use silly swipe gesture |
| 22:46.05 | lcuk | use the getting started widget to show you how |
| 22:46.05 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 22:46.09 | summel | Mace_N900: ctrl + v |
| 22:46.10 | Mace_N900 | omg |
| 22:46.16 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 22:46.16 | lcuk | summel |
| 22:46.26 | lcuk | 32gb file system would not be right either |
| 22:46.32 | summel | Mace_N900: so obvious i also didnÃt notice it xD |
| 22:46.38 | summel | lcuk: but it would work :P |
| 22:46.41 | lcuk | because it would mean reflashing your device would take your photos with it |
| 22:46.56 | lcuk | thats just one use case i wouldnt like |
| 22:47.04 | summel | then save pictures etc on the uSD card per defaut! |
| 22:47.06 | Mace_N900 | summel i cant select the txt tho |
| 22:47.06 | summel | -_- |
| 22:47.16 | Mace_N900 | http://www.apnews.com/ap/db_45577/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Gnt1HKat |
| 22:47.18 | Mace_N900 | oops |
| 22:47.20 | summel | Mace_N900: yeah i guess you cant select text from the browser |
| 22:47.23 | maddler | perhaps someone should consider having more than 256MB as rootfs ;) |
| 22:47.36 | Mace_N900 | summel, there has to be a way heh |
| 22:47.47 | summel | maddler: or start shooting developers like i demand! :P |
| 22:47.50 | frals | swipe from left to right and enable cursor in browser |
| 22:47.52 | summel | exterminate! exterminate! |
| 22:47.58 | maddler | summel: lol :) |
| 22:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | :x |
| 22:48.02 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50473 tmo needs a database nuke |
| 22:48.03 | summel | frals: :O thx! |
| 22:48.10 | lcuk | Mace_N900, really, there is a swipe gesture from the left hand side of the screen |
| 22:48.14 | MohammadAG | back to MW2 |
| 22:48.18 | lcuk | that enables a selection pointer cursor thing |
| 22:48.35 | summel | do i need the package "mozilla-runtime" for microb? |
| 22:48.42 | sECuRE | has anyone got sound working in the maemo sdk? |
| 22:48.56 | sECuRE | the multimedia player says it cannot play every file i select |
| 22:49.02 | sECuRE | but i installed the gstreamer ugly plugins |
| 22:49.03 | summel | sECuRE: no but i have more important issues with the sdk :D |
| 22:49.27 | lcuk | summel, microb is installed by default |
| 22:49.44 | Mace_N900 | ah ok |
| 22:49.45 | Mace_N900 | got it |
| 22:49.49 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 22:49.57 | summel | lcuk: yes... but i installed firfox to test it and removed it and now i have a package mozilla-runtime still installed |
| 22:50.03 | summel | can i remove that or not? :D |
| 22:50.06 | lcuk | mace, i think "these arent the web pages you are looking for" every time i make that swiping gesture |
| 22:50.07 | maddler | summel: I think you can remove it. or at least I did and nothing bad happened... yet :) |
| 22:50.19 | lcuk | summel, if you remove it and it breaks |
| 22:50.22 | lcuk | nothing much is lost |
| 22:50.23 | MohammadAG | sECuRE, the sounds app (or whatever it's called) is removed after installing the nokia-binaries |
| 22:50.29 | lcuk | just reflash and restore your backup |
| 22:50.35 | sECuRE | hum, ok |
| 22:50.46 | summel | why does it net get removed when i remove firefox? -_- |
| 22:51.00 | lcuk | ask firefox people? |
| 22:51.03 | lcuk | file a bug about it |
| 22:51.10 | MohammadAG | sighs at the time needed to upgrade Ubuntu |
| 22:51.19 | lcuk | upgrade? |
| 22:51.36 | lcuk | can i just keep updating normally rather than moving to the aweful inverted window thing |
| 22:52.01 | MohammadAG | lcuk, inverted window? |
| 22:52.15 | summel | just switch to kubuntu :P |
| 22:52.35 | lcuk | i'd rather give birth to a basketball thanks |
| 22:52.40 | summel | :O |
| 22:52.55 | summel | 10.04 really IS a useable kbuntu again! |
| 22:52.55 | opdf2 | anyone using tmobile USA and fmms? I can't seem to send out, but can receive perfectly |
| 22:52.57 | MohammadAG | lcuk, oh, gconf fixes that :) |
| 22:53.16 | lcuk | mmmnf |
| 22:53.22 | MohammadAG | come to think of it 10.04 Beta 2 did break my scratchbox install |
| 22:53.24 | summel | gconf is soooo much fail |
| 22:53.26 | lcuk | i might try it on next machine i install |
| 22:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | buntkuh |
| 22:53.30 | lcuk | but im not changing for the sake of it |
| 22:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | burps |
| 22:53.34 | MohammadAG | gconf > registry |
| 22:54.10 | summel | "uhhh windows is soooo bad and sucks soooo much" "yeah! lets copy the worst part of it and include it in gnome!" |
| 22:54.11 | summel | -_- |
| 22:54.13 | MAK_ | Mohammad iam lara from middle east plz help me law sam7t |
| 22:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on what scale? nastiness? |
| 22:54.30 | Mace_N900 | i thought microb auto rotated |
| 22:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | mem usage |
| 22:54.49 | summel | Mace_N900: in 1.2 |
| 22:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | sucking? |
| 22:54.53 | Mace_N900 | oh |
| 22:54.56 | summel | you still have 1.1 |
| 22:54.57 | Mace_N900 | damn heh |
| 22:55.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not getting corrupt or having problems |
| 22:55.15 | Mace_N900 | 1.2 isnt oficially out yet is it? |
| 22:55.24 | MohammadAG | Mace_N900, title |
| 22:55.29 | MohammadAG | requests +o |
| 22:55.30 | MohammadAG | jk :P |
| 22:55.32 | Mace_N900 | oops |
| 22:55.34 | Mace_N900 | hahahaha |
| 22:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke gconf |
| 22:55.35 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gconf ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 22:55.37 | MohammadAG | topic* |
| 22:55.46 | Mace_N900 | hides |
| 22:56.26 | Mace_N900 | thats kind of harsh isnt it? |
| 22:56.29 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 22:56.34 | javispedro | gconf == registry (but I still think it's not a bad idea) |
| 22:56.57 | MAK_ | MohamasAG_:mohammad plz help me iam lara from middle east plz help me with reflashing my device plz law sam7t |
| 22:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | if gconf is a good idea, then unix is the suckiest thing ever |
| 22:57.33 | MohammadAG | MAK_, keep it english in here, if you want switch to PM |
| 22:57.44 | summel | javispedro: why is it NOT a bad idea? ooOO |
| 22:57.55 | SpeedEvil | How does gconf work - is there a daemon that stores the properties in the files or something? |
| 22:57.56 | MohammadAG | cause it's not a bad idea and it works :) |
| 22:58.09 | summel | ... |
| 22:58.21 | javispedro | why is a universal configuration file format, with detailed specifications, that promotes commenting each and every setting with a brief docstring a bad idea? |
| 22:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | it IS a *bad* idea |
| 22:58.28 | MAK_ | MohammadAG_:sorry mohammad thnx |
| 22:58.33 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: there's a daemon that caches and handles locking |
| 22:58.34 | summel | text files are better :P |
| 22:58.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, elaborate :) |
| 22:58.50 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:58.59 | javispedro | summel: gconf -- it's all text files. |
| 22:59.08 | summel | i dont have to search the whole gconf editor thingy for some cryptic string which COULD do what i want to or not... |
| 22:59.10 | SpeedEvil | text files scale poorly over multiple apps |
| 22:59.40 | summel | why not simply do it like every GOOD app and use .config/ ? |
| 22:59.41 | summel | -_- |
| 22:59.45 | SpeedEvil | If all the gconf strings were listed - perhaps on a nice page on the wiki |
| 22:59.46 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 22:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: unix has clear text config files, always had, and ever will. And everything going to change that is MEGACRAP |
| 23:00.00 | SpeedEvil | summel: because that doesn't work so well if you want 4 apps to access it |
| 23:00.00 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: they are listed -- that's one of the benefits from my PoV. |
| 23:00.05 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: it's called schemas |
| 23:00.10 | summel | SpeedEvil: still bad compared to a weel documented plaintext config file :P |
| 23:00.14 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Listed - and documented |
| 23:00.19 | summel | SpeedEvil: why not? oO it works in kde :) |
| 23:00.20 | javispedro | yes! |
| 23:00.30 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: What key do I need to set - if I want to set the picture of the desktop? |
| 23:00.40 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: they're documented -- and in fact there's even support for i18n |
| 23:00.50 | SpeedEvil | looked for docs and failed. |
| 23:00.57 | SpeedEvil | may just suck at google. |
| 23:00.58 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, how does your app know that i changed a config file from outside? |
| 23:01.06 | SpeedEvil | -HUP |
| 23:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 23:01.14 | lcuk | no need to swear |
| 23:01.18 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: grep wallpaper -r /usr/share/gconf/schemas |
| 23:01.23 | summel | lcuk: theres a deamon... i cant recall the name... -_- |
| 23:01.44 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: And how do I know wallpaper is the magic string? |
| 23:01.53 | lcuk | HUP == http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg%27s_uncertainty_principle |
| 23:02.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, fair enough... |
| 23:02.01 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: it was the first word I tried, honest! :) |
| 23:02.06 | summel | SpeedEvil: exactly... it could be background_image |
| 23:02.07 | summel | :P |
| 23:02.16 | summel | or just bg_file |
| 23:02.23 | javispedro | background also has some hits |
| 23:02.34 | javispedro | I am grepping into HUMAN readable strings, not key names |
| 23:02.35 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, how would you know what the magic string was in a text file? |
| 23:02.53 | summel | lcuk: i would rad the sections starting with a # |
| 23:02.55 | summel | :P |
| 23:02.58 | summel | *read |
| 23:03.00 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# grep wallpaper -r /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ |
| 23:03.00 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# |
| 23:03.00 | javispedro | if you manage not to hit any of the usual keywords they used to document the key .. well, sorry. IA might help there ;) |
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| 23:03.30 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, wow, you never reflashed? |
| 23:03.30 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: do not fish Maemo for examples of good practices, you know the saying ;) |
| 23:04.02 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ? |
| 23:04.03 | javispedro | on a gnome desktop, I get hits even for changing the gnome-terminal background |
| 23:04.27 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: oh. No - OTA |
| 23:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | a central registry daemon is a brainfucked idea from any POV |
| 23:04.37 | MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> Nokia-N900-42-11:~# |
| 23:04.37 | javispedro | gnome-panel, gnometris, glines (background color), ... |
| 23:04.40 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 23:05.05 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Next you'll be complaining about dbus |
| 23:05.08 | asjWrk | DocScrutinizer: I just has someone telling me how the registry should be in the kernel yesterday |
| 23:05.21 | SpeedEvil | (which should be in the kernel) |
| 23:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: dbus is a flavour of IPC, not a perverted config file |
| 23:05.58 | summel | dcop was better imho |
| 23:06.01 | summel | :P |
| 23:06.38 | javispedro | summel: so, if your proposed KDE replacement uses text files in .config and a daemon, what's the difference with text files in .gconf and a daemon again? |
| 23:06.53 | SpeedEvil | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/MyDocs/.images/weather.png |
| 23:06.59 | SpeedEvil | ah - intuitive - of course |
| 23:07.14 | summel | javispedro: no there is only a general deamon that checks every file for changes... afaik... nthing kde specific |
| 23:07.39 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, that's intuitive? |
| 23:07.42 | summel | and in kde nearly everything is configurable through a gui so there is no need to search in some strange gconf tool :P |
| 23:07.43 | MohammadAG | shoots himself in the foot |
| 23:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | feels like beer >> maemo.irc |
| 23:08.15 | summel | MohammadAG: shoot the developers! :D |
| 23:08.26 | MohammadAG | shoots summel *ricochet* |
| 23:08.27 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: as said, Maemo only has short strings... (not that I complain, I too have usually under-documented gconf keys in my apps) |
| 23:08.36 | summel | :( |
| 23:09.15 | SpeedEvil | Oh - on that topic - is there something on the device that can rescale or crop images? |
| 23:09.29 | javispedro | builtin image viewer can crop |
| 23:09.30 | summel | SpeedEvil: buy an iphone for that! :P |
| 23:09.39 | summel | javispedro: oh it can? :D |
| 23:09.42 | summel | hmm true |
| 23:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes. assign an image to a contact |
| 23:09.50 | summel | i cropped my avatar... :o |
| 23:10.17 | asjWrk | hasn't imagemagik or netpbm been ported to the n900 yet? ;) |
| 23:10.28 | summel | gimp |
| 23:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | autocad |
| 23:10.49 | SpeedEvil | I have a crap script. |
| 23:10.52 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/U4FDCY9g |
| 23:11.03 | SpeedEvil | it puts weather on my desktop every 10 mins |
| 23:11.08 | SpeedEvil | 15 |
| 23:11.23 | SpeedEvil | But the pic is the wrong size for the desk, and gets truncated, not squashed |
| 23:11.24 | javispedro | has a half-assed widget made for that |
| 23:11.37 | javispedro | did anyone make a proper live www image widget? |
| 23:11.55 | asjWrk | next you'll want xearth with live clouds |
| 23:12.04 | SpeedEvil | In some ways I'd like a little browser widget, that could take arbitrary html |
| 23:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | there's an app for that :-P |
| 23:12.15 | SpeedEvil | but - in other ways - I like my RAM somewhat empty |
| 23:12.20 | javispedro | exactly :) |
| 23:12.27 | summel | i want to play crysis on my n900 :o |
| 23:12.40 | summel | ok not really |
| 23:12.41 | SpeedEvil | There is 'webcam-viewer' - which sort-of-does that |
| 23:12.44 | summel | but wow would be nice :o |
| 23:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | I want to convert Pb to Au with it |
| 23:12.50 | SpeedEvil | you can set it to poll one site for jpegs |
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| 23:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | so gimme that DESY app |
| 23:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | detects silly hour and waves, wandering off |
| 23:14.51 | javispedro | silly hour. |
| 23:15.45 | summel | these are the intarwebs. there are no silly "hours" :O |
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| 23:17.17 | Djigo | where do I get the PR 1.2 SDK? |
| 23:17.47 | summel | maemo.org |
| 23:17.55 | summel | there is no 1.1 SDK :((((( |
| 23:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | this is ole grumpy DocScrutinizer -> many silly hours |
| 23:18.27 | summel | sar3th|away: you know there is /away ... |
| 23:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | heard there's such thing called RL |
| 23:19.14 | summel | ewww |
| 23:19.18 | summel | thats just a myth |
| 23:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | so what's /away then? apm -s ? |
| 23:21.15 | Djigo | anybody with Nokia QT SDK knowledge? i followed the tutorial but failed to compile |
| 23:21.46 | Djigo | I followed the readme* |
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| 23:23.38 | opdf2 | frals around for a quirky question about fmms? |
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| 23:28.14 | Djigo | DocScrutinizer: what's that? CTCP? |
| 23:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | version request |
| 23:29.12 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: Pb to Au... that would drain the battery... |
| 23:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von Djigo empfangen: qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.1.249.1064 Safari/532.5. |
| 23:30.28 | chem|st | Safari... Safari Carpet Bomb... |
| 23:30.44 | chem|st | of 2 bed |
| 23:31.10 | Djigo | DocScrutinizer: what's that? LOL |
| 23:31.24 | chem|st | Djigo: your client version |
| 23:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | Djigo: just because your /whois also looks a little weird |
| 23:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.08 | chem|st | Djigo: http://tinyurl.com/yklv8nc |
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| 23:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | [Whois] DocScrutinizer ist ~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg) |
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| 23:35.10 | chem|st | l8er |
| 23:36.00 | Djigo | DocScrutinizer: i'm the guy from earlier... Djigorifico |
| 23:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I know |
| 23:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | just a litle *hint* about your appearance |
| 23:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | see above - my real name is "Joerg". Yours seem to be "30-97.kg.ftth.internl.net/82.204.97.30 - http://we" |
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| 23:39.35 | Djigo | DocScrutinizer: i'm using google chrome, if that clears things up |
| 23:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmm yes. I thought as much, from CTCP query. No idea if that has decent ways to config things lke real-name, username etc |
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| 23:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | Djigo: it's no poblem, just doesn't look very nice |
| 23:42.38 | dmj726 | Barring PR1.2, is there a way to update the several apps that seem to rely on it? |
| 23:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 seems to help sometimes |
| 23:45.27 | dmj726 | I don't see how that would solve the QT dependency issues. |
| 23:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | replace dpkg -i pyside... by dpkg -i --force-all pyside... |
| 23:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | it did, for me |
| 23:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | I had some dependencies to fooQT-4.6.2 which made install of alarmed fail |
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| 23:48.14 | Djigo | which IRC client are you guys using? |
| 23:48.23 | dmj726 | pidgin |
| 23:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | xchat on N900, Konversation on PC |
| 23:49.12 | Sho_ | hopefully soon Konversation on N900, too |
| 23:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | with fullblown KDE & compiz |
| 23:49.46 | Sho_ | hehe |
| 23:49.51 | Sho_ | no, a Maemo port with adjusted UI |
| 23:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'd call that xchat |
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| 23:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | looks veeeery similar |
| 23:50.45 | Sho_ | DocScrutinizer: Though Konvi can do things like http://buscher.zxq.net/wp-content/uploads/konvdrawplanet.png which are going to be fun on a touch device |
| 23:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | UGHH - what's *that*? |
| 23:51.39 | asjWrk | it uses dcc, I don't predict that will help much |
| 23:51.39 | Sho_ | collaborative drawing |
| 23:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 23:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) |
| 23:52.43 | SpeedEvil | pidgin here, xchat on n900 |
| 23:53.15 | SpeedEvil | dcc will 'never' work with the source a mobile |
| 23:53.33 | SpeedEvil | (as it relies on the senders port being reachable) |
| 23:53.37 | Sho_ | depends |
| 23:53.49 | Sho_ | Konversation supports passive DCC, so it can shift the burden to the recipient |
| 23:54.15 | Sho_ | it also can negotiate port forwards over UPnP, that'd work in a NAT'd WLAN at least |
| 23:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | well, port it |
| 23:54.29 | Sho_ | but yeah, I agree that DCC is problematic on mobile broadband otherwise |
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| 23:55.58 | Djigorifico | Now on xchat |
| 23:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | much nicer |
| 23:59.26 | asjWrk | Sho_: you can't guarante the receiver can do it ether, working sometimes and not others isn't a good recipe for sucess |
| 23:59.54 | Sho_ | asjWrk: yup |
