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| 00:05.12 | crashanddie | sup all |
| 00:06.05 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: last night, as i lay in bed (I know this is starting to sound pretty creepy), I had a very important question to ask you. |
| 00:06.19 | crashanddie | I know johnx came into the whole thing, it was more of an idea to submit to you |
| 00:06.31 | crashanddie | And that choice of words is even worse |
| 00:06.43 | crashanddie | However, this morning I was unable to remember a single thing. |
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| 00:22.05 | SpeedEvil | puts away his flashy pen, in the knowledge of a job well done. |
| 00:22.31 | ds3 | you've put a pen inside a uSD? |
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| 00:23.22 | SpeedEvil | points at crashanddie. |
| 00:24.24 | lcuk | crashanddie, you were thinking of johnxs' wii |
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| 00:25.55 | Mace_N900 | yawn |
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| 00:29.06 | Mace_N900 | batterygraph is qt |
| 00:29.10 | Mace_N900 | :) |
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| 00:36.52 | pupnik_ | has anyone tried checking-in to a flight with a boarding pass displayed as 2Sd barcode on tablet/n900? |
| 00:37.00 | pupnik_ | 2D |
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| 00:41.33 | ptl | puphome: I didn't, but I tried mbarcode with 2D barcodes on my taxes and it did not recognize them. |
| 00:42.00 | puphome | im gonna try tomorrow |
| 00:42.28 | puphome | i heard a finnish company sends 2d barcodes to cellphones for concert tickets |
| 00:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't forget to put your sunglasses on |
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| 00:46.02 | crashanddie | points at SpeedEvil |
| 00:46.07 | crashanddie | lcuk: he wii |
| 00:46.13 | crashanddie | erhm, lemme try that again |
| 00:46.15 | crashanddie | lcuk: his wii? |
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| 00:48.59 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:49.12 | summel | o/ |
| 00:49.27 | crashanddie | ? |
| 00:49.29 | crashanddie | morning Termana, how are you today/ |
| 00:49.57 | Termana | Doing alright thanks crashanddie, how about yourself? |
| 00:50.14 | crashanddie | pretty good, back at work after the long weekend |
| 00:51.32 | Termana | I've never asked - what is your job? (Besides part time IRC nazi :P lol) |
| 00:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | full time doorkeeper |
| 00:52.52 | summel | who else just lost the game? :) |
| 00:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | the keykeeper |
| 00:53.50 | crashanddie | Termana: I'm leaving this job on Friday :) |
| 00:54.01 | crashanddie | Termana: I'm a security expert for banks and governments |
| 00:54.01 | summel | DocScrutinizer: gatekeeper and keymaster? |
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| 00:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | prolly, yes |
| 00:54.43 | Termana | crashanddie: Ah ok, relatively nice job I assume. Why are you leaving your current workplace though? |
| 00:55.00 | crashanddie | Because Australia isn't really working out for me |
| 00:55.22 | crashanddie | My job in London was amazing, this one is pretty meh, so I'm moving back to France |
| 00:55.41 | tgalal | is it possible to launch media player to play a video from terminal ?? |
| 00:56.03 | Termana | Eh, I didn't even know you were here in australia - what state are you in currently? |
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| 00:56.32 | pupnik_ | tgalal: mplayer works good for that |
| 00:56.55 | tgalal | pupnik_, mplayer is available for maemo 5? |
| 00:57.21 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | tgalal: and there's been a thread on tmo, about how to achieve this for mediaplayer by a dbus call |
| 00:57.46 | SpeedEvil | mplayer may be slower or jerkier for some content, as it's not GPU accellerated |
| 00:58.12 | tgalal | so it's not possible with the stock mediaplayer |
| 01:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-media-play |
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| 01:00.49 | SpeedEvil | it must be - zoutube does it |
| 01:00.51 | tgalal | DocScrutinizer thanks ! |
| 01:03.20 | pupnik_ | ~scoobysnack DocScrutinizer |
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| 01:18.27 | tgalal | I want to cancel a yellow notification that requires clicking screen to hide.. but using shell command. |
| 01:18.39 | tgalal | dbus does that too? |
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| 01:35.45 | crashanddie | Termana: QLD |
| 01:36.21 | crashanddie | tgalal: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:"file:///$1" |
| 01:36.43 | crashanddie | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Open_file_in_media_player |
| 01:37.58 | tgalal | crashanddie, yeah got it, thanks a lot |
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| 01:44.18 | tgalal | ok now I need to send a fake screen tap |
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| 01:47.43 | crashanddie | tgalal: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/xresponse/ |
| 01:47.54 | luke-jr | slightly off-topic here, but not sure where a better place to ask is: if I need a dirt cheap cell phone and service, what would you guys suggest? |
| 01:47.58 | crashanddie | google seems to be working pretty well |
| 01:48.13 | crashanddie | luke-jr: country might be important |
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| 01:49.17 | luke-jr | USA |
| 01:49.18 | tgalal | crashanddie, I'm already googling.. But I was only searching on how to do it via dbus. thanks alot |
| 01:49.34 | crashanddie | tgalal: I'm afraid DBUS won't allow for this |
| 01:49.41 | luke-jr | crashanddie: when has Google ever worked for service deals? |
| 01:49.52 | crashanddie | luke-jr: wasn't aimed at you |
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| 02:07.14 | crashanddie | luke-jr: can't help for the US though |
| 02:07.16 | crashanddie | luke-jr: can't you just walk in a shop and get a $20 phone with $10 credit? |
| 02:07.32 | crashanddie | luke-jr: that's what I usually do when I land in a new country |
| 02:12.11 | ds3 | if you can find a $20 no contract phone... |
| 02:12.43 | crashanddie | found it in the UK, Australia, France, Belgium, Italy, Germany, and Ukraine |
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| 02:13.10 | crashanddie | they're usually very low-end sagem or what have you |
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| 02:13.23 | crashanddie | the battery lasts just enough to use up the credit when calling international |
| 02:13.33 | crashanddie | and then you just throw it away |
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| 02:13.53 | ds3 | overhear some carriers want $25 for the SIM! |
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| 02:14.04 | crashanddie | overheard? |
| 02:14.15 | ds3 | overheard or overhead? |
| 02:14.32 | crashanddie | overear? |
| 02:15.33 | luke-jr | crashanddie: I doubt it |
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| 02:19.21 | ds3 | it is $25 to buy the sim and you have to put credits on it |
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| 02:40.20 | crashanddie | luke-jr: t-mobile nokia 1661 prepaid = $19.99 + $10 recharge = $29.99 |
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| 02:46.23 | pupnik_ | the last time my hard drive was completely organized was 1991 |
| 02:48.19 | crashanddie | pupnik_: when it was empty? |
| 02:48.43 | luke-jr | crashanddie: huh? |
| 02:48.58 | luke-jr | oh |
| 02:49.10 | luke-jr | yeah, low up-front, but really expensive per-minute |
| 02:49.29 | crashanddie | well that gives you 30 minutes of credit |
| 02:49.35 | luke-jr | 33 cents per |
| 02:49.37 | crashanddie | so 33c per minute |
| 02:49.50 | luke-jr | looking at Boost Mobile... only 10c ea |
| 02:49.56 | crashanddie | Well, we all know US networks suck anymore :P Don't go there |
| 02:50.09 | pupnik_ | about 200MB of files |
| 02:50.18 | luke-jr | I'm thinking grab a $10 iDEN phone off ebay and use Boost... |
| 02:51.10 | pupnik_ | we need scorched3d on n900 |
| 02:51.43 | luke-jr | there, I bid on a decent-sounding used phone... XD |
| 02:51.52 | luke-jr | if I'm lucky I can tether it to my N810 |
| 02:51.55 | rm_you | why you need a new phone? :P |
| 02:52.02 | rm_you | n900 break? |
| 02:52.07 | luke-jr | rm_you: I never had a N900 |
| 02:52.11 | rm_you | aww :( |
| 02:52.15 | rm_you | sadness |
| 02:52.17 | luke-jr | and it's not worth more than $200 to me |
| 02:52.28 | luke-jr | anyhow, I just need a cheap phone+service for my wife |
| 02:52.30 | rm_you | i'm stuck with G1 now :/ |
| 02:52.54 | luke-jr | if I can pair it with my N810, that's just a nice bonus |
| 02:52.57 | rm_you | it's ok, but slow and the screen is comparatively a joke |
| 02:53.15 | pupnik_ | lower res? |
| 02:54.05 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, so sad for you. |
| 02:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, if the Nexus One sucks as much as I've found it does, I can't imagine how bad the G1 is. :P |
| 02:54.26 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:54.35 | rm_you | pupnik_: yeah much |
| 02:54.45 | rm_you | browsing the internet on it is... |
| 02:54.48 | rm_you | also a joke |
| 02:55.00 | rm_you | whatever you want from the internet, better hope theres an app for it |
| 02:55.02 | rm_you | wikipedia: app |
| 02:55.06 | rm_you | facebook: app |
| 02:55.13 | rm_you | imdb: app |
| 02:55.32 | rm_you | it runs facebook mobile *decent* but is very sad really |
| 02:56.21 | rm_you | spoiled on n900 :( |
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| 02:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 02:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | Nexus One is nigh unusable |
| 02:57.25 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno why people seem to love it. |
| 02:59.15 | rm_you | what's unusable about it in particular? |
| 02:59.32 | rm_you | web browsing slow? |
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| 03:00.05 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the whole Android thing is a bugger |
| 03:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | But the hardware isn't great |
| 03:00.18 | GeneralAntilles | OLED, in particular, makes any extended text viewing impossible for me. |
| 03:00.23 | GeneralAntilles | So, FBReader is right out. |
| 03:00.34 | GeneralAntilles | Capacitive makes me want to break things. |
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| 03:01.47 | rm_you | lol |
| 03:01.52 | pupnik_ | why is oled problematic? |
| 03:02.22 | pupnik_ | for viewing? hi btw GeneralAntilles |
| 03:02.32 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, the pixels seem to be non-square |
| 03:02.39 | GeneralAntilles | Or at least they have the appearance of that |
| 03:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | Which makes font edges really ugly |
| 03:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | Even at high PPI. |
| 03:03.03 | pupnik_ | they do look more pixelated iirc |
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| 03:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's also super oversaturated |
| 03:04.46 | GeneralAntilles | You think maemo.org orange makes your eyes bleed on a desktop LCD |
| 03:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | Just wait until you see it on the Nexus One! |
| 03:05.30 | pupnik_ | saturation we can fix with X |
| 03:05.34 | pupnik_ | i think |
| 03:05.42 | rm_you | lol |
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| 04:09.37 | crashanddie | hey z4chh, howzit going? |
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| 04:15.56 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5524604/real-goddamn-flying-nazi-soldiers-with-jet-packs |
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| 05:05.30 | crashanddie | and there goes tmo |
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| 05:10.49 | Macer | hm |
| 05:12.30 | Macer | where is information on running koffice on the n900? |
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| 05:12.38 | Macer | i'm looking at the kde forums and well.. :) |
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| 05:15.28 | Gh0sty | good ... well morning for me :p |
| 05:15.34 | Gh0sty | evening for most of you i guess? :) |
| 05:15.55 | Macer | seems the koffice project that is in progress is a viewer only |
| 05:15.57 | Macer | :/ |
| 05:16.13 | timeless_mbp | google docs should work today :) |
| 05:16.22 | Gh0sty | lol you want to run a full koffice on the n900? :o |
| 05:16.32 | LuciusMare | Heh, wow, what process takes 100% of cpu and drains the battery from "fully charged" to "can't even turn on" within an hour? |
| 05:16.39 | LuciusMare | *in offline mode* |
| 05:16.45 | Gh0sty | anyone know if theres a solution around syncing with mail for exchange problems? |
| 05:17.01 | Gh0sty | seems after a while my phone cant sync anymore with google calendar |
| 05:17.13 | Gh0sty | and I dont seem to be the only one with the problem |
| 05:17.33 | Gh0sty | some say it's if you add things to the phones calendar that it does not want to sync anymore? :/ |
| 05:18.16 | Macer | timeless_mbp: ugh |
| 05:18.21 | Macer | again with the google docs :) |
| 05:18.28 | Macer | what if i don't want to use google? |
| 05:18.30 | Macer | hides |
| 05:18.33 | timeless_mbp | Macer: hey, i work on one of the best mobile web browsers in the world |
| 05:18.36 | Macer | checks his blinds |
| 05:18.43 | timeless_mbp | well, you could try ms office for the web |
| 05:18.49 | LuciusMare | :o |
| 05:18.50 | Macer | wtf ever happened to quickoffice? it worked great on my n95 :) |
| 05:19.04 | Macer | although.. i wanted something that used opendoc format |
| 05:19.07 | RST38h | Lucius: Tracker? |
| 05:19.09 | Macer | i usually use openoffice |
| 05:19.17 | Macer | doesn't easydebian come with openoffice? :) |
| 05:19.31 | RST38h | Gh0sty: Have you considered using google.com for finding an answer to your question? |
| 05:19.45 | RST38h | Gh0sty: Or maybe searching for "exchange" at talk.maemo.org? |
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| 05:20.01 | Macer | i remember someone saying that you can get openoffice going .. but i'd rather have a portable koffice if it is better for the screen |
| 05:20.18 | Gh0sty | RST38h: I did but found a lot of similar problems but not really a solution ... (yet) |
| 05:20.20 | RST38h | Macer: Koffice is kinda unusable on Maemo |
| 05:20.21 | Macer | but it seems like they are only doing the viewer only thing.. why do i feel androided? :) |
| 05:20.24 | RST38h | Macer: too slow |
| 05:20.45 | Macer | RST38h: the native maemo ver they are working on? |
| 05:20.52 | RST38h | Macer: yea |
| 05:20.58 | Macer | i've been looking around and it seems like it's a viewer only so far :) |
| 05:21.08 | RST38h | Macer: Apparently, it starts swapping and you know what happens next... |
| 05:21.12 | Macer | unless the forums i'm reading are old |
| 05:21.13 | Macer | RST38h: haha |
| 05:21.13 | RST38h | It is a viewer, yes |
| 05:21.23 | Macer | the phone crashes and starts to melt |
| 05:21.24 | timeless_mbp | based on the pictures i've seen internally |
| 05:21.29 | Macer | and the included death ray stops working :) |
| 05:21.31 | timeless_mbp | i don't think it's going to always be a viewer |
| 05:21.31 | RST38h | Macer: Nah, it does not crash |
| 05:21.38 | timeless_mbp | but making a viewer is a reasonable starting point |
| 05:21.42 | timeless_mbp | reducing scope is a good thin |
| 05:21.43 | timeless_mbp | g |
| 05:21.46 | Macer | timeless_mbp: yeah they say they are going to work on making it functional |
| 05:21.48 | RST38h | Macer: But it hangs the system hard, for dozens of seconds at a time |
| 05:21.53 | Macer | is abiword on a repo? |
| 05:21.57 | RST38h | yes |
| 05:22.02 | RST38h | abiword is actually more usable |
| 05:22.09 | Macer | it's a little more lightweight |
| 05:22.17 | Macer | i need a word processor and cups on my phone :) |
| 05:22.17 | Macer | haha |
| 05:22.33 | Macer | but then again. i'm sure most maemo apps wouldn't have cups support :/ |
| 05:22.45 | RST38h | who needs cups support... |
| 05:23.05 | Macer | i remember the only way to get it working on my n810 was to use pb kde 3.5 |
| 05:23.10 | Trizt | RST38h; xprint instead? |
| 05:23.14 | Macer | RST38h: i do :-P |
| 05:23.15 | Macer | haha |
| 05:23.26 | crashanddie | I'd say you need a real document viewer, but hardly a word processor |
| 05:23.28 | Macer | i want to print to my laser printer straight from my phone :) |
| 05:23.36 | crashanddie | but then again, you already have a PDF viewer, which accounts for 90% of what people need to do on the go |
| 05:23.49 | crashanddie | If you are serious about editing .doc files on the go, get a laptop. |
| 05:23.54 | Macer | crashanddie: my n95 had bt printing |
| 05:23.56 | Macer | and quickoffice |
| 05:24.11 | crashanddie | And you can get BT to USB converters |
| 05:24.14 | Macer | i typed an entire term paper using my su8w (hung over) in like an hour |
| 05:24.15 | Macer | haha |
| 05:24.38 | Macer | plus... i'd rather carry a laptop in my pocket instead of in a bag ;) |
| 05:24.49 | crashanddie | Macer: I think that really is an exception rather than the rule |
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| 05:24.53 | Gh0sty | most threads say like syncing works for a while and then stops working but no realy answers to why or how :( |
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| 05:25.06 | Macer | crashanddie: yeah but.. why bother carrying around a netbook when you don't have to? |
| 05:25.07 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: because MfE is broken |
| 05:25.10 | Gh0sty | (and it does not look google calendar specific) |
| 05:25.18 | Macer | i never understood why this wasn't looked into more as far as "smartphones" go |
| 05:25.23 | Macer | the elimination of the netbook :) |
| 05:25.24 | crashanddie | Macer: well, if you have to write documents, that qualifies as "have to" |
| 05:25.24 | RST38h | E70 has bt printing |
| 05:25.41 | Gh0sty | crashanddie: and anyone is looking into that? :/ |
| 05:25.44 | crashanddie | It's already painful on a netbook |
| 05:25.44 | crashanddie | Macer: because writing a real document on a phone is a pain? |
| 05:25.46 | Macer | crashanddie: yeah it worked fine on my n95 .. i could see myself using it day to day |
| 05:25.48 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: PR1.2 hopefully |
| 05:25.55 | Macer | crashanddie: not really |
| 05:25.57 | crashanddie | Macer: I seriously doubt that |
| 05:26.09 | RST38h | some people love pain |
| 05:26.12 | Macer | i'm telling you.. on my n95 using quickoffice and my su8w it was fine |
| 05:26.16 | crashanddie | Macer: I had Doc2Go on my blackberry, and trust me, I would never want to use that really |
| 05:26.28 | Macer | you need the bt folding pocket kb ;) |
| 05:26.35 | Macer | makes it way better |
| 05:26.36 | Macer | heh |
| 05:26.36 | Gh0sty | hm and thats coming out when? :P (as far as i understood from other threads i've been reading 1.2 is going to fix a lot of issues? ) |
| 05:26.39 | RST38h | blackberry. eh. that is what I meant. |
| 05:26.55 | Macer | i'm not saying type whole docs using the phone kb |
| 05:27.02 | RST38h | Gh0sty: Sometime between second coming of Jesus and Armageddon |
| 05:27.25 | Trizt | does koffice/abiword support those standardized document formats used by default in openoffice? |
| 05:27.27 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: what the communist said |
| 05:27.35 | Gh0sty | PR1.2 will be released later in this week |
| 05:27.44 | Macer | crashanddie: i thought using my su8w and my n95 was great |
| 05:27.44 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: you don't know that :) |
| 05:27.45 | Gh0sty | is the last msg in the very large thread say? :p |
| 05:27.47 | Macer | :) |
| 05:28.04 | Gh0sty | or is that just someone making that up? :p |
| 05:28.12 | Macer | i thought using my su8w and koffice then printing with cups on my n810 was even better hehe |
| 05:28.14 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: they've been announcing dates for months now. It's become a bit of a pr1.2-lotto |
| 05:28.21 | Gh0sty | lol |
| 05:28.24 | Macer | i was carrying around a netbook in my pocket :) |
| 05:28.25 | crashanddie | whomever gets the date right gets a free cookie |
| 05:28.25 | Gh0sty | where can we place bets ? :p |
| 05:28.37 | crashanddie | ladbrokes |
| 05:28.41 | Gh0sty | :D |
| 05:28.43 | Macer | well. pockets.. had an n810 in one and su8w in another |
| 05:29.10 | Macer | i think the portable printing office suite has been overlooked :) |
| 05:29.23 | crashanddie | it hasn't |
| 05:29.28 | Macer | especially when you consider that maemo and the hardware can handle it |
| 05:29.32 | crashanddie | it's not even a niche |
| 05:29.34 | crashanddie | because there is no market |
| 05:29.38 | Gh0sty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.40 | Gh0sty | lol :D |
| 05:29.46 | Gh0sty | funny thread :) |
| 05:29.47 | Macer | crashanddie: there is probably no market because you can't do it :) |
| 05:29.59 | Macer | i bet if people started to show others that it could be done then it wouldn't be niche |
| 05:30.02 | crashanddie | it's a niche for the larvae that live in the niche of mobile computing |
| 05:30.06 | Macer | hahaha |
| 05:30.09 | Macer | crashanddie: i disagree |
| 05:30.12 | Macer | then again |
| 05:30.21 | Macer | in teh beginning .. mp3 players were niche :-pP |
| 05:30.26 | crashanddie | True |
| 05:30.27 | Macer | it's ok.. we can wait for apple to do it on an iphone |
| 05:30.33 | Macer | and sell the folding iphone keyboard |
| 05:30.40 | Macer | and see how maemo dropped the ball when it had the chance |
| 05:30.42 | Macer | like palm :) |
| 05:30.45 | crashanddie | except that mobile office has been tried multiple times |
| 05:30.47 | Macer | haha |
| 05:31.00 | crashanddie | palm did it, nokia did it, blackberry did it |
| 05:31.05 | crashanddie | and look where it is now? Nowhere. |
| 05:31.08 | Macer | no they didn't |
| 05:31.21 | Macer | :) |
| 05:31.38 | crashanddie | Maybe it's like the tablet? We need Apple to launch iPrint for iPhone from iWorks |
| 05:32.09 | Macer | i'm telling you.. once apple realizes it .. iphones and ikeyboards will be flying off the shelves |
| 05:32.22 | crashanddie | and then iWill be iHappy and feel so much iJoy about iPrint for iPhone through iWorks that I'll get an iPad for my iLivingRoom |
| 05:32.25 | Macer | and all those macbooks will be replaced with iphones that can use office suites and print al in one :) |
| 05:32.28 | Macer | hahaha |
| 05:32.59 | crashanddie | but until then, it's iFail, and utterly iUseless, and iMNotGoingToHappen |
| 05:32.59 | Macer | they'll make sure there's a huge apple symbol on the cradle that holds the iphone.. hell.. why not use it as a supplement battery as well :) |
| 05:33.16 | Macer | crashanddie: alrighty :) we'll see |
| 05:33.35 | crashanddie | Macer: macbooks are seriously good computers |
| 05:33.49 | Macer | they are also large |
| 05:34.04 | crashanddie | I'm just waiting for Microsoft to release a new version of Office for Mac and I'll be happy -- the old version is becoming quite dated |
| 05:34.10 | Macer | and require a bag to carry |
| 05:34.11 | crashanddie | Well, 13" isn't that big |
| 05:34.16 | Macer | large enough |
| 05:34.28 | crashanddie | I always have a courier bag for my cameras anyway |
| 05:35.00 | crashanddie | Most, if not all business people always have a bag with them too |
| 05:35.12 | crashanddie | If they don't need a bag, they don't need to edit documents -- there is no usecase |
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| 05:35.24 | Macer | well.. personally.. i'd rather go to class with pdf scans of my text books.. and able to bust out a folding keyboard and phone with an office suite.. type whatever i need while using the pdfs as books and print it on the networked univ printers |
| 05:35.35 | Macer | and all i need to do that.. is cups ... and an office suite |
| 05:35.41 | Macer | the rest is already in place :) |
| 05:35.49 | crashanddie | Either you go to a customer for a long period of time warranting the need to edit documents on the go, and then you just take your laptop with you. Or you go lightweight, and the only thing you need is email on your blackberry and taking notes using pen and paper |
| 05:35.56 | Macer | and if you can run kde + cups + koffice on an n810 |
| 05:36.00 | timeless_mbp | Macer: google has a net print solution for you :) |
| 05:36.04 | Macer | then on an n900 it should be rather easy :) |
| 05:36.15 | Macer | timeless_mbp: haha.. screw google :) |
| 05:36.25 | crashanddie | But I can assure you that you can't take notes fast enough in front of a customer, using the N900, so there is no business case |
| 05:36.28 | Macer | looks for the black trucks |
| 05:36.57 | crashanddie | plus you look utterly unprofessional when you do so (face pressed into your keyboard, your tongue sticking out because you're concentrating on getting the right keys) |
| 05:37.09 | Macer | crashanddie: hey. all i know is that in school all i needed was my n95 and my su8w |
| 05:37.11 | crashanddie | Whereas with a laptop, your arms are relaxed, your posture looks good, you can look at the customer, smile and look pretty while touch typing |
| 05:37.12 | Macer | :) |
| 05:37.16 | Macer | haha |
| 05:37.25 | crashanddie | well, wait until you get out of school and start doing real work |
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| 05:37.38 | Macer | crashanddie: i am out of school and doing real work |
| 05:37.46 | Macer | and want to use my n900 and my su8w |
| 05:37.47 | Macer | :) |
| 05:38.04 | crashanddie | What do you do, exactly? |
| 05:38.43 | Macer | IT stuff.. contracted server and client configs usually :) |
| 05:38.53 | timeless_mbp | Macer: but i like google! |
| 05:39.00 | crashanddie | yeah, you're not a business user mate |
| 05:39.04 | crashanddie | you're IT, which means you want a gadget |
| 05:39.15 | crashanddie | so don't pretend to acknowledge the needs of business ;) |
| 05:39.24 | Macer | timeless_mbp: i actually set up a local zimbra server just to avoid using google ;) |
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| 05:39.39 | crashanddie | You don't need to print. You can get slashdot on your n900, and you should be printing your servers/software doco before you leave your desk |
| 05:39.40 | Macer | crashanddie: i do the contracting myself.. i'm self employed / employer with over 20 high paying clients |
| 05:39.44 | timeless_mbp | what a waste of resources! |
| 05:39.46 | Macer | trust me i do plenty of "business" |
| 05:39.47 | Macer | haha |
| 05:40.16 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: what question? |
| 05:40.25 | crashanddie | if you're too fat/lazy to back to your desk to print out some shit or take a laptop, or unorganised to actually think ahead, "not our problem" |
| 05:40.25 | acidjazz | business in qoutes |
| 05:40.28 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: eh? |
| 05:40.29 | acidjazz | definitely sexual favors |
| 05:40.35 | crashanddie | acidjazz: LMAO |
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| 05:41.10 | Macer | and yes. i want my gadget.. i want my records on an n900 and able to print them directly off the phone if i need them ... and type proposals out on my phone and folding bt keyboard that i simply have to pull out of my pocket :) |
| 05:41.32 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: ~5 hours ago you had an important question laying in bed or something |
| 05:41.37 | Macer | realistically an n900 makes a netbook redundant |
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| 05:41.45 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: yeah, can't remember it |
| 05:41.56 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: will come back to me whenever it needs to |
| 05:41.59 | Macer | and redundancy is the opposite of efficiency :) |
| 05:41.59 | Stskeeps | k |
| 05:42.02 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: if not, it means it wasn't important |
| 05:42.16 | crashanddie | Macer: it makes it redundant *for you* |
| 05:42.21 | Macer | anyways. my son won't go to sleep so i think i'm going to hit him over the head with something |
| 05:42.31 | crashanddie | and please note that I talk about laptop, not netbook |
| 05:42.37 | Macer | crashanddie: i would say the typical macbook is a "gadget" ;) |
| 05:42.38 | crashanddie | Macer: JD |
| 05:42.43 | Macer | or a netbook ;) |
| 05:42.51 | crashanddie | Macer: Jack Daniels |
| 05:42.52 | crashanddie | works everytime |
| 05:42.56 | Macer | hahaha |
| 05:43.00 | Macer | and doesn't leave marks? |
| 05:43.01 | Macer | :) |
| 05:43.08 | sulx | jack daniels? serious? |
| 05:43.11 | crashanddie | well, only after 20 years |
| 05:43.12 | sulx | thats just awful |
| 05:43.20 | crashanddie | sulx: that's why you give it to the kids |
| 05:43.34 | Macer | i would figure southern comfort would be easier |
| 05:43.39 | Macer | it's sweeter :) |
| 05:43.45 | sulx | so they won't think drinking never again...good idea |
| 05:43.47 | crashanddie | sod it, just go for absynth |
| 05:43.53 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping |
| 05:43.53 | Macer | HAHAHA |
| 05:43.56 | crashanddie | they love playing with matches and having the sugar melt |
| 05:44.00 | timeless_mbp | where do i get a meego x86 rootfs? |
| 05:44.04 | Macer | crashanddie: hell no. then he'll be rolling around on the floor tripping |
| 05:44.09 | timeless_mbp | i just need something w/ a build toolchain |
| 05:44.11 | timeless_mbp | so i can use rpm |
| 05:44.14 | Macer | anyways. let me go force him to sleep |
| 05:44.17 | timeless_mbp | (or yum, i don't care) |
| 05:44.31 | crashanddie | Macer: I've hardly ever seen anyone trip due to absynth, that's more of a myth than anything else |
| 05:44.34 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment has links for a 'developer' image |
| 05:44.43 | crashanddie | Macer: take care |
| 05:44.44 | Macer | crashanddie: yeah. i've never had it tbh |
| 05:44.45 | Stskeeps | (doesn't boot, just for chroot) |
| 05:44.46 | Macer | :) |
| 05:44.59 | Macer | crashanddie: i'm going to track down a way to get cups working on my n900 |
| 05:45.01 | Macer | :) |
| 05:45.13 | Macer | after i choke my child to sleep |
| 05:45.16 | crashanddie | n-joy |
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| 05:45.27 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: if it does, i'm blind |
| 05:45.32 | timeless_mbp | please help a poor blind man |
| 05:45.39 | crashanddie | heh... name for the new MeeGo device from nokia: nJoy |
| 05:45.57 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: Download MeeGo development images for MeeGo X86 and MeeGo ARM and bzip2 -d them (they are 3GB loopback images) |
| 05:46.06 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: MeeGo nJoy? |
| 05:46.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:46.23 | timeless_mbp | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/ ? |
| 05:46.30 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: no, look at the links in that sentence |
| 05:46.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:46.37 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: nJoy MeeGo? |
| 05:46.48 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: never! |
| 05:46.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:47.01 | timeless_mbp | wonders how to loopback mount w/o being root |
| 05:47.19 | Stskeeps | sigh |
| 05:47.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:47.23 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: nJoy, iFarce and eCock. The 3 new devices from Nokia, Apple and Samsung, proudly supported by Microsoft. |
| 05:47.35 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.52 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: it's a ext3 filesystem, find some way to extract it i guess :P |
| 05:48.03 | Stskeeps | goes get breakfast |
| 05:48.13 | crashanddie | ntmou <-- loopback mount without root |
| 05:48.34 | crashanddie | ntrootmou <-- loopback mount with root |
| 05:48.57 | crashanddie | or otmountro |
| 05:49.24 | crashanddie | or tontmouro |
| 05:49.33 | crashanddie | ~scramble mountroot |
| 05:49.35 | timeless_mbp | are these real? |
| 05:50.01 | timeless_mbp | kicks crashanddie for messing with a blind guy |
| 05:50.22 | crashanddie | :D |
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| 05:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen arif_ |
| 05:52.40 | infobot | arif_ <Arif@95.168.163.235> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 17h 57m 32s ago, saying: 'they're not exactly the same are they?'. |
| 05:52.54 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 05:53.05 | timeless_mbp | for a platform that pretends to believe in tools |
| 05:53.13 | timeless_mbp | *nix doesn't seem to believe in userspace |
| 05:53.27 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i never understood why chroot requires root |
| 05:53.35 | timeless_mbp | there should be an extN to cpio app |
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| 05:53.58 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: the problem is that *nix is stupid |
| 05:54.06 | timeless_mbp | and there's one file system for the entire computer |
| 05:54.11 | timeless_mbp | instead of one file system per user |
| 05:54.23 | timeless_mbp | (by file system, i mean the presentation starting from /) |
| 05:54.34 | timeless_mbp | thus, if you can mount a file system which has an app marked suid |
| 05:54.40 | timeless_mbp | you can run it and you're root |
| 05:54.50 | timeless_mbp | anyway, that's why 'mount' in the most basic form is a root priv |
| 05:54.55 | timeless_mbp | (there are other related issues) |
| 05:55.15 | timeless_mbp | if i could hardlink 'su' into my chroot filesystem |
| 05:55.30 | timeless_mbp | and if 'su' looked at *my* /etc/passwd, instead of the system's /etc/passwd |
| 05:55.38 | timeless_mbp | then i could become root by using 'su' :) |
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| 05:56.28 | Termana | Besides the fact you have to be root to chroot |
| 05:57.08 | Termana | Unless I'm not understanding what your saying correctly :P |
| 05:57.15 | timeless_mbp | Termana: that's kinda a stupid explanation for: |
| 05:57.23 | timeless_mbp | <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: i never understood why chroot requires root |
| 05:57.47 | timeless_mbp | 'you have to be root to chroot because chroot requires root' |
| 05:57.49 | timeless_mbp | no really? |
| 05:57.50 | Termana | Oh i see :P Nevermind me heh |
| 05:58.20 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: perhaps a better example |
| 05:58.30 | timeless_mbp | root user mounts a cdrom with a live cd |
| 05:58.39 | Stskeeps | yeah, i see the flaws :P |
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| 05:58.45 | timeless_mbp | clever user knows the password from the live cd :) |
| 05:59.09 | Corsac | Stskeeps: chroot(2) requires CAP_SYS_CHROOT |
| 05:59.15 | Corsac | which is usually available to root |
| 05:59.21 | Corsac | (on Linux) |
| 05:59.24 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: that doesn't answer the question |
| 05:59.35 | timeless_mbp | none of this justifies not being able to convert a file system into a cpio archive |
| 05:59.37 | Stskeeps | Corsac: my question was -why- |
| 05:59.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:59.44 | timeless_mbp | (w/o 'mount') |
| 06:00.06 | Corsac | I only answered to âwhy does chroot requires rootâ in fact, I didn't scroll up more in the backlog, sorry :) |
| 06:00.29 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: given that Termana already got slapped w/in the last screen] |
| 06:00.34 | timeless_mbp | you deserve a double trouting |
| 06:01.39 | Termana | shh timeless_mbp :P I thought you were planning to try doing what you descibed which is why I said what I said :P |
| 06:01.40 | timeless_mbp | Termana: do what? |
| 06:01.40 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: I love trout at breakfast |
| 06:01.40 | timeless_mbp | i still have a problem |
| 06:01.40 | timeless_mbp | slaps Corsac with a rotting trout |
| 06:01.45 | Corsac | thanks |
| 06:01.45 | timeless_mbp | slaps Corsac with an infected trout |
| 06:02.03 | timeless_mbp | quickly discards both in the helsinki water system |
| 06:02.10 | timeless_mbp | (no one will notice!) |
| 06:02.13 | Termana | timeless_mbp: The whole try to become root by symlinking su to a chrooted system. Which is why I said - "besides the fact you need root to do chroot" |
| 06:03.06 | timeless_mbp | Termana: you should have said that you can't hardlink w/o su :) |
| 06:03.52 | timeless_mbp | besides, my livecd example is better |
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| 06:04.22 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: btw, rpm has a --install-root setting, so you can download it from your normal distribution |
| 06:04.47 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: afaict it doesn't work |
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| 06:05.02 | timeless_mbp | it still requires you to be root |
| 06:05.18 | timeless_mbp | RPM version 4.4.2.3 |
| 06:05.25 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: maybe we should step back and ask what your use case is |
| 06:05.36 | timeless_mbp | 1. i'm *NOT* root |
| 06:05.42 | timeless_mbp | 2. i want to xref meego |
| 06:05.47 | timeless_mbp | 3. see 1 |
| 06:05.49 | Corsac | I don't even have a --install-root on rpm 4.7.2.1 ¬¬ |
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| 06:05.51 | Stskeeps | rpm2cpio X | cpio id |
| 06:05.54 | Stskeeps | rpm2cpio X | cpio -id |
| 06:06.04 | Stskeeps | (extract a rpm package) |
| 06:06.07 | timeless_mbp | 4. i do not have a complete build environment |
| 06:06.10 | Corsac | (yup) |
| 06:06.11 | timeless_mbp | 5. i do not have 'xz' |
| 06:06.24 | Stskeeps | what distribution are you on? |
| 06:06.24 | timeless_mbp | 5 is the current problem, as various rpm's use it for their sources |
| 06:06.37 | timeless_mbp | CentOS release 5.4 (Final) |
| 06:06.55 | Corsac | hmhm, can't you build/install xz from source and put it in a local path? (I know it's a bit ugly, butâ¦) |
| 06:06.56 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i've already used rpmbuild |
| 06:06.57 | Termana | 6. Use a decent distro and you'll be fine |
| 06:07.05 | timeless_mbp | Termana: see 1? |
| 06:07.10 | timeless_mbp | (heck, see 3?) |
| 06:07.27 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: then why are you running it on a machine you don't have root on? :P |
| 06:07.31 | Termana | Yeah, but did YOU see 6? |
| 06:07.32 | Stskeeps | (one more step back..) |
| 06:07.32 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 06:07.39 | Corsac | Stskeeps: see 3, I guess ;p |
| 06:07.40 | timeless_mbp | why the **** |
| 06:07.43 | timeless_mbp | should i have to be root? |
| 06:07.47 | timeless_mbp | i'm a user |
| 06:07.51 | timeless_mbp | i want to index cr*p |
| 06:07.55 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: and there's no way you could ask an admin to install xz for you? |
| 06:07.56 | timeless_mbp | what part of that requires root |
| 06:07.58 | Stskeeps | well, because your local admin isn't doing his job and providing you the tools you need |
| 06:08.02 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: i'd have to find the admin |
| 06:08.11 | timeless_mbp | which is difficult |
| 06:08.17 | timeless_mbp | plus, imagine a box w/ 1000 users |
| 06:08.17 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: afaiui, the only part requiring root is the xz part |
| 06:08.19 | Termana | timeless_mbp: Why not boot from a livecd? |
| 06:08.27 | Termana | err |
| 06:08.27 | timeless_mbp | Termana: the box is in a cloud |
| 06:08.35 | timeless_mbp | where the **** do you expect me to ... |
| 06:08.36 | timeless_mbp | see 3 |
| 06:08.37 | timeless_mbp | see 1 |
| 06:08.42 | Termana | timeless_mbp: why not use a local machine |
| 06:08.51 | timeless_mbp | hrm, because my mac doesn't have enough ram? |
| 06:08.53 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: calm down, it isn't our fault that you have a setup that isn't set up for the purpose you have |
| 06:08.53 | timeless_mbp | or power |
| 06:08.58 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: or maybe you can do the extract part on another box where xz is installed, but that would mean a lot of network traffic if you want to do that regularly |
| 06:09.07 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: i do |
| 06:09.08 | timeless_mbp | obviously |
| 06:09.14 | timeless_mbp | the goal of an indexer is to index things |
| 06:09.22 | timeless_mbp | as regularly as necessary |
| 06:09.25 | Corsac | hmmh, but |
| 06:09.27 | timeless_mbp | preferably in an *automated* fassion |
| 06:09.29 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: get a tar.gz of a fedora filesystem and use fakechroot |
| 06:09.32 | timeless_mbp | without constant admin interaction |
| 06:09.42 | Corsac | currently you âsendâ the rpms automagically ? |
| 06:09.48 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: why can't i convert this stupid ext3 into a tgz? |
| 06:09.51 | Corsac | they are downloaded from the cloud machine? |
| 06:09.59 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: the cloud machine does all the work |
| 06:10.06 | timeless_mbp | it uses a script to calculate the rpm's to get |
| 06:10.06 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: the second option is asking someone nice to make a tar.gz variant for you |
| 06:10.09 | timeless_mbp | it downloads them |
| 06:10.10 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: which is very easy |
| 06:10.16 | Termana | heh :P |
| 06:10.19 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: could i please have a tgz? |
| 06:10.26 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: at the point the image was released, ext3 was the only option |
| 06:10.27 | Corsac | and a pony |
| 06:10.33 | timeless_mbp | i don't need the pony |
| 06:10.37 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if i don't hear any moaning about not being root afterwards, yes :P |
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| 06:10.50 | Stskeeps | goes start a build |
| 06:10.50 | timeless_mbp | but if including a pony in the request then sure, i'll take the pony |
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| 06:11.06 | timeless_mbp | s/then/makes it happen then/ |
| 06:11.18 | timeless_mbp | can always give the pony to someone else |
| 06:11.19 | Mace_N900 | facebook uses jabber? |
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| 06:11.28 | Corsac | yes |
| 06:11.28 | Termana | DENNNNNIIIED - you can't even get a box with root access, how can we trust you to look after a pony |
| 06:11.34 | Mace_N900 | do they do s2s? |
| 06:11.41 | Corsac | don't think so |
| 06:11.45 | Mace_N900 | damn |
| 06:11.48 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i've already built sb2 in this box |
| 06:11.54 | timeless_mbp | which is why i'm at "i need a rootfs" |
| 06:12.08 | Mace_N900 | what would the fb contact look like? |
| 06:12.11 | Stskeeps | devel-ia32 OK, timeless_mbp? |
| 06:12.16 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 06:12.23 | timeless_mbp | presumably that's roughly what i already downloaded? |
| 06:12.25 | Mace_N900 | name@chat.facebook.com? |
| 06:12.38 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: roughly |
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| 06:12.55 | Corsac | Mace_N900: various clients already allow you to âcreateâ a facebook account |
| 06:13.00 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if you did have root, generating such an image would be a matter of: [root@ideapad mic2]# mic-image-creator -f fs -c devel-ia32.ks |
| 06:13.16 | Corsac | (which is just a jabber account connecting to the correct server with the correct username) so you might want to look at them to see it |
| 06:13.17 | Mace_N900 | i dont want one. but i want the s2s xmpp |
| 06:13.17 | timeless_mbp | yeah, but⦠see 1 :) |
| 06:13.33 | Mace_N900 | to chat with fb people |
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| 06:13.44 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: considering to buy a dedi might be useful :P |
| 06:13.44 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i think gnomevfs and gio have claimed they'd "solve" this problem |
| 06:13.55 | Corsac | Mace_N900: I don't think it'll work but if you suceed, keep me posted :) |
| 06:13.58 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: honestly, i don't want to admin a box |
| 06:14.02 | Mace_N900 | haha. ok |
| 06:14.04 | timeless_mbp | i don't want to be responsible for security |
| 06:14.05 | Mace_N900 | will do |
| 06:14.05 | timeless_mbp | or bandwidth |
| 06:14.11 | Mace_N900 | i bet it works |
| 06:14.11 | timeless_mbp | or hardware maintenance |
| 06:14.13 | Corsac | I definitely agree timeless_mbp |
| 06:14.17 | timeless_mbp | i'm a *dev*, not an admin |
| 06:14.25 | Mace_N900 | gtalk s2s works |
| 06:14.28 | timeless_mbp | i should not be able to screw up my host |
| 06:14.34 | timeless_mbp | nor should i be responsible for securing it |
| 06:14.47 | Stskeeps | your case is a bit special, since you want to index, not develop |
| 06:14.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:14.57 | timeless_mbp | so |
| 06:15.02 | timeless_mbp | arguably a dev shouldn't need to be root |
| 06:15.07 | Corsac | definitely |
| 06:15.14 | Corsac | but he should have an admin handy |
| 06:15.16 | timeless_mbp | there's very little distinction between my use case and a dev's |
| 06:15.21 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: um |
| 06:15.27 | timeless_mbp | imagine 10,000 college students on a box |
| 06:15.37 | timeless_mbp | should they have an admin 'handy' |
| 06:15.41 | Mace_N900 | hahaha |
| 06:15.42 | Stskeeps | that setup is actually kinda rare these days |
| 06:15.45 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: I used to work in an IT departement, btw |
| 06:15.45 | timeless_mbp | so they can all pester the admin for buggy tools? |
| 06:15.54 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it wasn't rare when i was in college |
| 06:15.59 | Stskeeps | our uni cluster was largely unused |
| 06:16.08 | Stskeeps | yes, but it wasn't in the times of fast laptops |
| 06:16.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:16.13 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: our clusters were heavily used in 2002 |
| 06:16.23 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: usually the âhandy adminâ is nicely^Whandled with a request tracker or something |
| 06:16.39 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: i'd hope you'd reject most of the requests here |
| 06:16.45 | Corsac | sure |
| 06:16.48 | timeless_mbp | "i want to run mic-image-creator" |
| 06:16.51 | Corsac | but that's only because I'm a bofh |
| 06:17.01 | Corsac | nowadays it's not really processing power but electricy and bandwith which matter most |
| 06:17.04 | timeless_mbp | (mic does loopback mounts, and runs arbitrary code, often) |
| 06:17.17 | timeless_mbp | for me, what matters is: |
| 06:17.21 | timeless_mbp | a. bandwidth |
| 06:17.24 | timeless_mbp | b. ram |
| 06:17.25 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: but I would have accepted to install xz, maybe |
| 06:17.41 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: i'd get tired of bugging you each week that another stupid package requires another stupid tool |
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| 06:17.47 | timeless_mbp | i can build xz myself |
| 06:17.55 | timeless_mbp | after all, i've already built auto* and a few others |
| 06:18.03 | Stskeeps | why didn't you build rpm then? |
| 06:18.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:18.08 | timeless_mbp | i have rpm! |
| 06:18.11 | timeless_mbp | it's a centos box! |
| 06:18.14 | Mace_N900 | ehaha |
| 06:18.16 | Stskeeps | not one with xz support |
| 06:18.22 | Stskeeps | (it looks like) |
| 06:18.27 | timeless_mbp | true |
| 06:18.33 | timeless_mbp | but afaict rpm doesn't do the xz |
| 06:18.36 | timeless_mbp | it contracts out to 'xz' |
| 06:18.38 | Stskeeps | yes it does |
| 06:18.43 | Stskeeps | well, it needs a setup |
| 06:18.48 | Mace_N900 | tell the admin to make you a centos zone in opensolarus |
| 06:18.49 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 06:18.49 | Corsac | xz is lzma, isn't it? |
| 06:19.04 | Corsac | ok, anyway I'm kind of sure that's not timeless_mbp |
| 06:19.05 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 06:19.08 | Corsac | so let's get back to ponies |
| 06:19.21 | crashanddie | OMG PONIES |
| 06:19.28 | Corsac | /_mbp/_mbp's point/ btw |
| 06:20.06 | Shapeshifter | uhm, is the advanced geocaching tool supposed to show anything other then the map? i made an account and put it into the options. but if I go to search geocaches the list is empty no matter if or what I type in. |
| 06:20.34 | Mace_N900 | im pretty sure there is a zone for rhel/centos |
| 06:20.39 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: 219/226 on the image and then i'm uploading |
| 06:20.40 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.41 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: anyway, isn't there a meego/maemo/... community-administred server which would help in your case? (though it wouldn't fix the parts where you need admin rights which you don't want) |
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| 06:20.54 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: doubtful |
| 06:21.06 | timeless_mbp | and i don't want to have to bother them constantly either |
| 06:21.22 | timeless_mbp | it's generally easier for me to run mxr on a box which isn't managed by a network starved system |
| 06:21.32 | timeless_mbp | comparing reliability of mxr.maemo.org w/ *.maemo.org |
| 06:21.39 | timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure mxr.maemo.org worked better |
| 06:21.44 | timeless_mbp | mxr.maemo.org is dreamhost |
| 06:21.48 | timeless_mbp | mxr.moego.org is e2 |
| 06:22.00 | Corsac | maego ? |
| 06:22.01 | timeless_mbp | ec2 |
| 06:22.03 | Termana | moego |
| 06:22.14 | timeless_mbp | moego is a staging name |
| 06:22.21 | timeless_mbp | i'm supposed to get a cname for mxr.meego.com |
| 06:22.26 | Corsac | ok |
| 06:22.31 | timeless_mbp | but i can't remember the person i need to talk to about it |
| 06:23.00 | Corsac | the admin (tm) |
| 06:23.09 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 06:23.14 | Corsac | the Almighty Administrator |
| 06:23.25 | Mace_N900 | cape and tights? |
| 06:23.34 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: so in the end, what you say is that it's easier to work on .deb than on .rpm? |
| 06:23.37 | Corsac | runs |
| 06:23.45 | Stskeeps | well, deb is ar x |
| 06:23.51 | Shapeshifter | moe? heh |
| 06:24.05 | Corsac | Stskeeps: usually you tar xf the data.tar.gz at one point ;p |
| 06:24.14 | Corsac | (or you dpkg --extract if you have dpkg) |
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| 06:24.18 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: not really |
| 06:24.25 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ~20 mins |
| 06:24.29 | timeless_mbp | in theory rpm is going to give me a better source index |
| 06:24.39 | Corsac | (and dpkg is supposed to be able to use bz2/lzma at one point) |
| 06:24.39 | timeless_mbp | w/ debs, i had no way of knowing how to apply patches |
| 06:24.48 | timeless_mbp | in theory rpmbuild will guarantee patch application |
| 06:24.50 | Corsac | well, I think it's already read, the infrastructure is not :) |
| 06:24.52 | timeless_mbp | whereas w/ apt 'forget about it' |
| 06:25.01 | timeless_mbp | and deb is adding some new quilt formats |
| 06:25.09 | timeless_mbp | which is roughly equivalent to rpm adding xz |
| 06:25.13 | k9 | how can i used my 2nd cam on my N900? |
| 06:25.35 | Corsac | yes, new sources format would have helped for the patches, in that case |
| 06:25.36 | timeless_mbp | the rpm bit itself is actually trivial, it's the contained crud that's painful |
| 06:25.51 | crashanddie | k9: I heard that only the pre-production devices had the camera working |
| 06:25.52 | timeless_mbp | deb is the same, the deb bit itself is trivial |
| 06:25.59 | Corsac | well, it's just because they added compression formats too, which are used in meego |
| 06:26.00 | crashanddie | k9: however, having a pre-prod device, I never got it working |
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| 06:26.17 | Corsac | old rpms used gz or bz2 I guess? |
| 06:26.21 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 06:26.24 | timeless_mbp | (both) |
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| 06:26.37 | timeless_mbp | and some used something else |
| 06:26.38 | timeless_mbp | (.Z?) |
| 06:26.45 | ag0ny | Good morning |
| 06:26.51 | Corsac | I guess it's another lzma based one |
| 06:27.10 | crashanddie | k9: try the mirror app |
| 06:27.33 | Mace_N900 | with the kind of use i put on my n900... my G1 would have lasted an hour |
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| 06:29.57 | k9 | crashanddie: tnx men....and also is there a feature where i can put a timer on my camera? |
| 06:30.02 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, building 'xz' requires 'autopoint' |
| 06:30.06 | timeless_mbp | which is a tool i've never heard of |
| 06:30.18 | Corsac | hmmh, it's in cvs iirc |
| 06:30.22 | crashanddie | k9: also, apparently it works if you do a gtalk call from computer to N900 |
| 06:30.29 | k9 | crashanddie: a selftimer feature would be a great apps |
| 06:30.49 | crashanddie | k9: however, the remote computer only works if made from Windows (apparently). I never got it work from OSX |
| 06:30.50 | Corsac | mhmh, not cvs :) |
| 06:31.00 | Corsac | but it does depend on cvs here |
| 06:31.07 | Corsac | Description: The autopoint program from GNU gettext |
| 06:31.28 | crashanddie | k9: what do you mean? |
| 06:31.31 | timeless_mbp | well, that was an obvious package! |
| 06:31.38 | crashanddie | k9: an app that takes pictures on the front-facing camera every x seconds? |
| 06:32.07 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: iirc it was split recently from the cvs package |
| 06:32.10 | Corsac | (in debian I mean) |
| 06:32.25 | k9 | crashanddie: in the back camera i mean, is there a feature a selftimer for the camera |
| 06:32.28 | Corsac | that's why nobody knows it, too |
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| 06:32.45 | crashanddie | k9: not as far as I'm aware |
| 06:32.52 | Corsac | mirror seems to works fine here |
| 06:33.03 | timeless_mbp | to be fair, the rpm has a proper dependency to gettext |
| 06:33.09 | Corsac | there's a strange looking guy in it, at least |
| 06:33.12 | Mace_N900 | hm |
| 06:33.18 | Corsac | he doesn't seem too awake |
| 06:33.30 | timeless_mbp | although, i question the dependency to cvs given that it has a dependency to gettext |
| 06:33.32 | k9 | crashanddie: i hope you guys develop such feature for it....N900 rules! |
| 06:33.34 | Corsac | and he has a trout on the head |
| 06:33.36 | Mace_N900 | nokia must have a different idea about what an alarm to wake up is |
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| 06:33.50 | timeless_mbp | Mace_N900: eh? |
| 06:33.53 | Mace_N900 | their alarm tones would put me into REM |
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| 06:33.59 | timeless_mbp | Mace_N900: if you aren't using my strings, you're in trouble :) |
| 06:34.00 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: not strong enough |
| 06:34.03 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 06:34.09 | k9 | haha |
| 06:34.19 | Mace_N900 | their alarm tones are.... soothing |
| 06:34.31 | sECuRE | yep |
| 06:34.43 | timeless_mbp | goes to update the l10n packages |
| 06:34.45 | Mace_N900 | alarms are meant to be discomforting |
| 06:34.46 | sECuRE | the ringtones too |
| 06:34.51 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572481 if that can help you |
| 06:35.00 | Mace_N900 | ring tones i understand |
| 06:35.04 | Corsac | (sorry I only know about debian sources of information, which might not be helpful) |
| 06:35.05 | crashanddie | Mace_N900: I'm using an alarm app on my mbp, because the N900 doesn't wake me up |
| 06:35.18 | Mace_N900 | but alarms that put you to sleep? |
| 06:35.20 | Mace_N900 | heh |
| 06:35.25 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: interesting |
| 06:35.30 | crashanddie | plus the app actually requires me to do math before it turns it off permanently, |
| 06:35.34 | Mace_N900 | i just used an mp3 |
| 06:35.37 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't look like redhat has switched yet |
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| 06:35.42 | crashanddie | "16 * 4" |
| 06:36.11 | XS3 | can some help me install the maemo 5 sdk? http://pastie.org/936804 |
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| 06:36.18 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: ok so looking at the readme file, the dependency in debian is just for transition |
| 06:36.34 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: because autopoint was provided in the cvs package before, or something (wtf?) |
| 06:37.07 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, the time it takes for me to build any one auto tool is prohibitively expensive |
| 06:37.11 | XS3 | trying to install it on a fedora 12 x65 |
| 06:37.13 | XS3 | *64 |
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| 06:37.22 | timeless_mbp | which is one of the reasons i don't want to build a world on this box |
| 06:37.50 | crashanddie | XS3: specify the user you want to install to |
| 06:38.04 | XS3 | what do you mean,user? |
| 06:38.18 | timeless_mbp | heck, forget building, just running through 'configure' is incredibly slow |
| 06:38.20 | crashanddie | E: User 'None' not found with 'getent passwd None' command. |
| 06:38.40 | XS3 | so how should i execute the python script? |
| 06:38.46 | XS3 | or should i make changes to it? |
| 06:39.16 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
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| 06:39.24 | timeless_mbp | i'm also running a git->hg conversion |
| 06:39.38 | timeless_mbp | it's managed to process 28hrs of data in the last few hours |
| 06:39.46 | k9 | crashanddie: so N900 cannot support video calls |
| 06:39.57 | timeless_mbp | which is well⦠not wonderful, when you consider that it's sitting @july 23, 2009 |
| 06:40.02 | timeless_mbp | and we're somewhere in 2010 |
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| 06:40.15 | crashanddie | k9: not over 3G, but through GTalk it works (when computer initiates call) |
| 06:40.38 | namus | How to continous backtrace using gdb , |
| 06:40.48 | timeless_mbp | namus: eh? |
| 06:40.50 | timeless_mbp | bt 10000 |
| 06:41.09 | timeless_mbp | (w/ a terminal that has 10000 rows) |
| 06:42.14 | Corsac | set logging on trouc.txt might help too :) |
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| 06:42.58 | namus | timeless_mbp,cant we get backtrace ,non-interactively , ie., backtrace to be diplayed along with UI flow |
| 06:43.11 | timeless_mbp | ?????? |
| 06:43.41 | timeless_mbp | if your question can be written in a native language which someone here can speak, perhaps you should find a translator |
| 06:43.49 | timeless_mbp | because your question was garbled in your translation |
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| 06:44.34 | timeless_mbp | perhaps you should start over and describe what you're doing |
| 06:44.45 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: do you speak swedish? |
| 06:44.56 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: no, but frals does :) |
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| 06:45.08 | timeless_mbp | do you want a function call trace, so that you can see each function that's entered/exited while a program runs? |
| 06:45.19 | timeless_mbp | if so, dtrace or a competitor is what you want, not gdb |
| 06:46.16 | timeless_mbp | if you have a core dump from which you want a stack trace, then, yes, gdb can take orders via a commandline argument |
| 06:46.27 | crashanddie | namus: timeless_mbp ar en skitstovel, bara forklara ditt problemme fulut |
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| 06:46.53 | crashanddie | has no idea if that was even close to being correct |
| 06:47.24 | crashanddie | frals: was that good? |
| 06:47.28 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: what makes you think namus speaks swedish? :) |
| 06:47.40 | crashanddie | because his ISP is swedish |
| 06:47.41 | namus | i want to see each function & each thread that's entered/exited while a program runs |
| 06:47.50 | namus | i dont know swedish |
| 06:47.55 | crashanddie | damnit |
| 06:47.59 | crashanddie | do you live in sweden? |
| 06:48.07 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: his language patterns seem to be indian |
| 06:48.12 | timeless_mbp | (unless they're chinese) |
| 06:48.15 | namus | no , iam from India |
| 06:48.20 | Corsac | impressive |
| 06:48.30 | namus | nice guess |
| 06:48.41 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: each group makes a set of errors |
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| 06:48.43 | crashanddie | ah crap, I copied the wrong line when I did the /whois, I looked at dvoid_'s address xd |
| 06:48.58 | timeless_mbp | you can usually distinguish between indian, chinese, and latin american |
| 06:49.07 | timeless_mbp | and russian |
| 06:49.16 | crashanddie | and french/spanish/italian |
| 06:49.23 | crashanddie | who are nearly in the same group as latin american |
| 06:49.27 | timeless_mbp | :) |
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| 06:49.42 | timeless_mbp | germans also make a distinct set of errors fwiw |
| 06:49.55 | timeless_mbp | (as do finns) |
| 06:50.03 | crashanddie | and americans |
| 06:50.17 | timeless_mbp | finns tend to ask "why is your software broken, the iPhone looks better, you should make it look like the iPhone" |
| 06:50.22 | crashanddie | who, along with any native english speakers, are the only ones who manage to mix up affet and effet |
| 06:50.27 | crashanddie | s/effet/effect/ |
| 06:50.32 | timeless_mbp | a finn complained about: http://mxr.moego.org/finnish-banks.html |
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| 06:50.59 | timeless_mbp | with some apologies to some finns here, |
| 06:51.03 | timeless_mbp | Finns are IDIOTS |
| 06:51.13 | Corsac | hmhm, midori doesn't resolve international hostname |
| 06:51.14 | Corsac | crap |
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| 06:51.25 | timeless_mbp | they make American rednecks seem well traveled |
| 06:51.32 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: finns are pretty much the european rednecks |
| 06:51.34 | crashanddie | ahha |
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| 06:51.42 | timeless_mbp | and growing up, being called a redneck was a grave insult |
| 06:52.05 | crashanddie | it still is |
| 06:52.18 | crashanddie | but now we'd rather say hillbilly or billy bob |
| 06:52.19 | timeless_mbp | to me, it's lost its insult value having lived here |
| 06:52.34 | timeless_mbp | it's much more insulting to think "oh, he's a finn" |
| 06:52.53 | timeless_mbp | finns seem to think: |
| 06:53.03 | timeless_mbp | "it's ok to schedule meetings so there's no time for lunch" |
| 06:53.10 | timeless_mbp | "our meeting is more important than anything else in the world" |
| 06:53.23 | timeless_mbp | "it's ok to schedule a meeting in conflict with an *ALL* hands" |
| 06:53.26 | crashanddie | erhm, that's just business, timeless_mbp ;) |
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| 06:53.46 | timeless_mbp | oh, and "it's ok to have multiple distinct ALL hands" |
| 06:53.50 | flux | man, that's one bitter yankee ;( |
| 06:53.53 | timeless_mbp | since after all, "ALL" doesn't mean "ALL" |
| 06:54.00 | timeless_mbp | it means ⦠well, something else, i guess? |
| 06:54.17 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: scandinavian work culture is fun |
| 06:54.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:54.20 | timeless_mbp | flux: sorry, i dealt with two or three idiotic finns between friday and monday |
| 06:54.29 | timeless_mbp | that's 2 more than my weekend quota |
| 06:54.47 | crashanddie | flux: he's jewish, he's still blowing off steam from a few generations ago. |
| 06:54.47 | timeless_mbp | i'm not paid enough to deal with them |
| 06:55.19 | Stskeeps | ponders if this convo is turning a bit toxic |
| 06:55.30 | crashanddie | probably |
| 06:55.52 | timeless_mbp | goes to a meeting |
| 06:55.53 | Corsac | ok, time to get to work then :) |
| 06:55.54 | Stskeeps | back to the business of the day |
| 06:56.34 | Stskeeps | timeless: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/devel-ia32-201004270212.tar.gz |
| 06:56.44 | crashanddie | too late |
| 06:56.45 | crashanddie | he elft |
| 06:57.15 | Stskeeps | his user is still here :P |
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| 07:13.45 | timeless | anyone here know the greasemonkey packager? |
| 07:13.57 | Stskeeps | timeless: got my URL from above |
| 07:13.58 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 07:14.41 | timeless | i'll grab it from the logs when i arrive somewhere |
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| 07:23.38 | RST38h | But NPR reports that this good news may have a surprising downside: cleaner air might actually intensify global warming. One benefit of sulfates is that they've been helpfully blocking sunlight from striking the Earth for many decades, by brightening clouds and expanding their coverage |
| 07:23.51 | RST38h | And good morning to you all. |
| 07:28.30 | Mace_N900 | wtf |
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| 07:29.41 | Mace_N900 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8 |
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| 07:32.13 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: good morning to you too |
| 07:32.23 | timeless_mbp | woke up too early today |
| 07:32.28 | timeless_mbp | morning shouldn't be before noon |
| 07:32.42 | ruskie | good morrow all |
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| 07:36.22 | ofauchon | Hi. I'm looking for screen command line tool. Do the package exists ? I can't find it . Thx |
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| 07:41.10 | RST38h | watches morning sulfates from the panoramic window |
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| 07:44.58 | furunk3l | yes hello |
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| 07:58.50 | mece | I tohught I might make a small application in Qt, but how is it now, can I make Qt apps that can actually be used on the device? |
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| 08:22.24 | tybollt | hmm |
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| 08:24.37 | hrw|gone | morning |
| 08:26.14 | zokier | mece, i'd wait until pr1.2 before trying to get apps to the device |
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| 08:28.46 | chem|st | morning |
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| 08:29.27 | chem|st | mece: if they are compiled against 1.1.1 sure |
| 08:29.33 | hrw | so pr1.1.5 is next unknown? |
| 08:29.52 | chem|st | hrw: something like that ;) |
| 08:30.05 | Scelt | mece: did you get that packaging working for HOMM2? |
| 08:30.27 | tybollt | zokier: Wait for pr 1.2? |
| 08:30.35 | tybollt | that's like waiting for godot - innit? |
| 08:30.37 | chem|st | if your qt dependencies are set to qt4.5 it should work if your program works with qt4.5 |
| 08:30.54 | chem|st | tybollt: hurd |
| 08:30.59 | mece | Scelt, yep |
| 08:31.16 | Scelt | mece: in devel? |
| 08:31.26 | mece | Scelt, yep |
| 08:31.28 | tybollt | I solidly believe DNF will be released prior to PR1.2 |
| 08:31.39 | mece | Scelt, if you don't have data, you can download the demodata package. |
| 08:31.57 | Scelt | mece: yeah. gotta check it at home |
| 08:31.59 | mece | tybollt, I've preordered DNF |
| 08:32.01 | Scelt | mece: awesome work |
| 08:32.02 | chem|st | tybollt: is that a reasonable guess? |
| 08:32.38 | tybollt | mece: :D |
| 08:32.48 | Scelt | mece: what was the package name again? |
| 08:33.10 | Scelt | mece: got it, fheroes2 |
| 08:33.18 | mece | Scelt, it's not without issues. Here's the thread. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50851 The latest should work pretty well though. |
| 08:33.49 | mece | hey howcome some apps' icon become visible right away, while mine demands a reboot, or at least some major event to become visible? |
| 08:34.09 | Scelt | mece: are you from Turku or Maarianhamina? |
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| 08:34.18 | Scelt | mece: I have the same issue, dunno why |
| 08:34.19 | mece | Scelt, Turku. Where'd you get Mariehamn? |
| 08:34.29 | Scelt | mece [~mwikstro@mariehamn.abo.fi] |
| 08:34.31 | Scelt | :) |
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| 08:34.56 | mece | Scelt, lol it's the computer's name. It was used on some åland project before I had it apparently |
| 08:35.14 | chem|st | mece: I dont know if that depends on trackerd, its a 50:50 chance I get a blue box or an icon right away |
| 08:35.33 | Scelt | damn my 3G worked fast |
| 08:35.46 | Scelt | downloaded the 22 Mt fheroes2-data in 20 seconds or so |
| 08:35.52 | Scelt | MB |
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| 08:36.47 | mece | wow |
| 08:37.07 | chem|st | Scelt: simple math 22*800/756~~25 |
| 08:37.48 | mece | chem|st, I tried some gtk-icon-refresh or something like that in the postinst, but it did nothing :/ |
| 08:37.50 | chem|st | my provider is stuck with 352 or something |
| 08:38.09 | Scelt | chem|st: yeah but it's rare that it downloads so fast |
| 08:38.42 | chem|st | Scelt: the speed was never an issue the lag was for me |
| 08:42.32 | chem|st | mece: I guess there is something else to trigger than gtk-update-icon-cache |
| 08:42.52 | Stskeeps | gtk-update-icon-cache is a null-oop |
| 08:42.53 | Stskeeps | op |
| 08:45.43 | chem|st | mece: the wiki says run gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 08:46.25 | chem|st | in your postinst, if that does nothing look for a bug |
| 08:46.52 | Scelt | mece: awesome game! |
| 08:47.00 | hrw | someone remember page with maemosdk squeeze update instructions? |
| 08:49.03 | squidd | umm, wtf happened to my microb :S |
| 08:49.31 | squidd | urlbar only has url, no buttons :O |
| 08:49.39 | jacekowski | that's correct |
| 08:49.40 | chem|st | hrw: whats your problem? |
| 08:49.41 | jacekowski | it's urlbar |
| 08:49.57 | jacekowski | if it was supposed to have buttons it would be called buttonbar |
| 08:50.00 | jacekowski | or urlbuttonbar |
| 08:50.17 | chem|st | hrw: the only issue I had was that xephyr uses different options |
| 08:50.48 | hrw | chem|st: ok, so you do not know what I want |
| 08:52.01 | chem|st | hrw: well... last time I had it running was right after upgrades, and yes Idk ;) |
| 08:52.22 | hrw | chem|st: armel target do not use xephyr at all |
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| 08:53.04 | chem|st | hrw: upgrade on armel ran through without any faults |
| 08:53.09 | squidd | i c |
| 08:53.28 | squidd | no problem anymore, restarting microb made button reappear |
| 08:53.40 | hrw | squidd: I got same today |
| 08:53.47 | chem|st | but somehow I am still missing somthing as some selfcompiled libs do not work properly yet |
| 08:54.28 | squidd | hrw: omg, must be a sign. maybe we will get pr1.2 today :O |
| 08:54.39 | hrw | squidd: pr1.2 will be at 12 november |
| 08:54.51 | squidd | :( |
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| 08:55.14 | hrw | squidd: or we will get pr1.1.5 + bonus time travel to two weeks ago |
| 08:55.25 | squidd | :D |
| 08:55.52 | chem|st | hrw: I thought it was on 01/04.... |
| 08:57.41 | mece | ~seen noobmonk3y |
| 08:57.43 | infobot | noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-50-44.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11h 15m 39s ago, saying: 'healthcheck is back up and working again!'. |
| 08:58.37 | mece | I'm just craptacularly lazy. I think I'll go with pyqt instead. Don't feel like fighting with c++ today. |
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| 08:59.58 | chem|st | hrw: will there be movies on the time travel? |
| 09:01.18 | mece | pyside or pyqt4? |
| 09:04.57 | hrw | I hate sbox |
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| 09:17.15 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 09:19.25 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
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| 09:21.03 | Khertan | Hi ! |
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| 09:21.38 | wazd | Khertan: hey there :) |
| 09:21.46 | raster | meh |
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| 09:22.36 | Khertan | noobmonk3y: app manager read the icon file from the controle file |
| 09:22.51 | RST38h | wazd: Don't drink yourself to death =) |
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| 09:24.07 | wazd | RST38h: well, can't promise anything :P |
| 09:24.09 | tybollt | uhm, drinking yourself to death is kind of implied when living east of helsinki... ;P |
| 09:25.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:25.38 | wazd | Jaffa: heya |
| 09:25.57 | hrw | die maemo die! |
| 09:26.14 | hrw | ~curse sbox for being unusable shit |
| 09:26.15 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sbox for being unusable shit ! |
| 09:26.15 | tybollt | long live maemo! |
| 09:27.49 | Termana | How could you possibly wish that on someone |
| 09:27.52 | Termana | :P |
| 09:29.47 | RST38h | hrw <--- really emotional about sb |
| 09:30.14 | RST38h | hrw: BTW, dpkg crashes in sb2 for unknown reason. Got Karmic with the latest (patched) kernel. Tried both lenny and etch tools |
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| 09:30.34 | Stskeeps | RST38h: test if even simple binaries crash |
| 09:30.42 | RST38h | Sts: No, just dpkg |
| 09:30.55 | RST38h | Sts: I know of the NX bug, but have got the latest Ubuntu kernel |
| 09:31.16 | RST38h | Sts: Actually, dpkg -i crashes, just dpkg is fine =) |
| 09:31.31 | Stskeeps | dpkg is probably a host tool |
| 09:31.52 | hrw | RST38h: I maintained one package for maemo5: mdbus2. today sbox died during rebuilding of newer version |
| 09:33.00 | hrw | and I really do not like to need to run vm just to rebuild small pacakge. and no, I do not want sbox infected host system |
| 09:33.40 | RST38h | hrw: Why not move to sb2 though? |
| 09:35.58 | hrw | RST38h: another ia32 binary only? |
| 09:36.35 | RST38h | hrw: prolly, although I do not know why it bothers you |
| 09:36.56 | RST38h | It installs from a repo like any normal Ubuntu app. Runs transparently, unlike sb1 |
| 09:40.26 | tybollt | tim e less |
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| 09:50.10 | mece | feck |
| 09:50.20 | mece | are all the qt libs removed from extras? |
| 09:53.28 | ccooke | Morning, all |
| 09:53.41 | MohammadAG | morning ccooke |
| 09:57.46 | Khertan | still doesn't understand the concept of qt |
| 09:58.06 | hrw | Khertan: ? |
| 09:58.11 | Khertan | someone maybe can explain me how to implement an auto indent in a qtrichtext |
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| 09:58.30 | Khertan | i mean ... i should trap text change slot |
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| 09:59.16 | Khertan | but i didn't get the change |
| 09:59.24 | Khertan | i just know that changes happen |
| 09:59.33 | Khertan | it s a bit useless for my user |
| 09:59.34 | Khertan | it s a bit useless for my use |
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| 10:03.19 | Khertan | ok ... i understand ... i need to subclass QTextEdit and his method keyPressEvent |
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| 10:13.59 | d14 | morning o/ |
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| 10:18.15 | MohammadAG | morning d14 \o |
| 10:18.45 | d14 | x) |
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| 10:19.20 | d14 | has day off |
| 10:19.27 | d14 | \o/ |
| 10:19.39 | d14 | MohammadAG: whats new? :) |
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| 10:22.27 | chadi | Hi. Please read the last post of this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=629652#post629652 |
| 10:22.37 | chadi | Did I brick my device? |
| 10:24.02 | chadi | The script says this is a safe way :/ |
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| 10:24.38 | SpeedEvil | well - the author wzs probably wrong |
| 10:24.55 | SpeedEvil | reflash the phone in the normal way |
| 10:25.19 | chadi | So my data is lost? |
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| 10:25.59 | SpeedEvil | no, probably not |
| 10:26.16 | SpeedEvil | reflashing the root does not affect your data, which is on the mydocs and home partitions |
| 10:26.19 | chadi | wait, doesn't reflashing clear out all data? |
| 10:26.24 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 10:26.39 | SpeedEvil | it only rewrites the root - unless you use the 'with mmc' flash image |
| 10:27.07 | chadi | and you said "the normal" way. so the other way is the one with emmc? |
| 10:27.30 | SpeedEvil | no - I mean with the flasher tool |
| 10:27.45 | Khertan | lol |
| 10:28.03 | Khertan | i just found that you can download not yet release image on tablets-dev |
| 10:28.04 | Khertan | huhu |
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| 10:28.18 | chadi | By the way, I am not sure which variant I have. Does it matter? |
| 10:28.55 | Khertan | of course it s not real images :) |
| 10:29.04 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 10:29.05 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:29.18 | andre__ | Khertan, uh? at least there's nothing newer than 3.2010.02-8 on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 10:29.40 | MohammadAG | no |
| 10:30.03 | Khertan | andre__: no of course there is nothing in the php list :) |
| 10:30.09 | andre__ | ah. hehe |
| 10:30.11 | MohammadAG | andre__, maybe he digged into the source |
| 10:30.17 | MohammadAG | ooh |
| 10:30.25 | MohammadAG | does a wget -m |
| 10:30.41 | Khertan | andre__: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2010SE_10.2010.16-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 10:30.50 | Khertan | it s look like you got an image |
| 10:30.51 | andre__ | whoah |
| 10:31.02 | Khertan | but it s just an html file content :) |
| 10:31.09 | Arkenoi | quite strange, moveroot.sh worked perfectly well for me (if it is the same script) |
| 10:31.29 | Khertan | andre__: with an error :) |
| 10:31.32 | chadi | :( |
| 10:31.32 | sECuRE | <b>Warning</b>: fopen(/var/tabletsdev/nokia_N900/downloads/RX-51_2010SE_10.2010.16-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin) [<a href='function.fopen'>function.fopen</a>]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in <b>/var/tabletsdev/nokia_N900.php</b> on line <b>175</b><br /> |
| 10:31.44 | andre__ | hmm. looks like you can add any kind of parameter there and always get a download |
| 10:31.59 | andre__ | I also get a download when just entering http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2010SE_10 |
| 10:32.04 | Khertan | andre__: yep |
| 10:32.05 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:32.05 | andre__ | of course it's a html file |
| 10:32.07 | Khertan | exactly |
| 10:32.11 | Khertan | of course |
| 10:32.12 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:32.28 | chadi | so you guys are sure that no data will be lost after reflashing? like contacts, conversations, etc. I do not use an external memory card... |
| 10:32.37 | Stskeeps | Khertan: that one makes me wonder if there's f=/etc/passd |
| 10:32.39 | Stskeeps | passwd |
| 10:32.48 | hrw | you can give anything as "f" value |
| 10:32.51 | Khertan | Stskeeps: already try :) |
| 10:33.13 | RST38h | So, got PR1.2? |
| 10:33.14 | Khertan | i ll not publish a such things if directory changes was possible |
| 10:33.35 | Khertan | i ll warn nokia before for security issue ... but here there isn't :) |
| 10:33.58 | andre__ | errm... so there is no "not yet released image"? or is there? |
| 10:34.10 | Khertan | RST38h: nope ... except if you consider : <b>Warning</b>: fopen(/var/tabletsdev/nokia_N900/downloads/RX-51_2010SE_10.2010.16-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin) [<a href='function.fopen'>function.fopen</a>]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in <b>/var/tabletsdev/nokia_N900.php</b> on line <b>175</b><br /> as a pr 1.2 :) |
| 10:34.15 | Khertan | andre__: nope of course |
| 10:34.21 | andre__ | heh |
| 10:34.25 | andre__ | still, interesting |
| 10:34.32 | Khertan | i think it was when the download start |
| 10:34.33 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:34.39 | andre__ | haha, okay |
| 10:34.49 | Khertan | but when it s end 500kb later ... i understood my errors :) |
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| 10:42.53 | BusterB | Which uses less cpu? Osso-media-server, mplayer, default media player, or somethin else? Just tryin to play xvid encode with mp3 audio avi that will last longer on battery. |
| 10:43.09 | RST38h | defaul tmedia player |
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| 10:43.31 | BusterB | k ty |
| 10:44.58 | RST38h | N8 officially revealed |
| 10:45.39 | RST38h | Looks closer to iPhone, no keyboard, xenon flash and 12mpx camera |
| 10:45.59 | RST38h | Finally, plain black plastic casing, or so it looks |
| 10:46.03 | zokier | symbian :/ |
| 10:46.36 | asj | ah n8 it is :) coo |
| 10:46.37 | asj | l |
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| 10:47.15 | MiXu- | It remains to be seen if Symbian^3 delivers. |
| 10:47.31 | RST38h | MiXu: Delivers exactly the same as previous symbian |
| 10:47.37 | RST38h | No surprises there |
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| 10:47.45 | MiXu- | If the responsiveness and the UX is good enough, I say N8 may even be a good product. |
| 10:47.50 | asj | wow, and they're selling the green one? |
| 10:48.10 | MiXu- | RST38h: What's that comment based on? |
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| 10:50.45 | MiXu- | Even if you've tried the development version, I'd assume the product isn't ready at this point and the UX will change towards the release. |
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| 10:51.00 | BusterB | Whoa is the quad band hspa? |
| 10:51.01 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 10:51.23 | Termana | That comment is based on the fact Symbian is relatively not accepted as great in the mass media. Its probably doubtful this will change it |
| 10:51.44 | Termana | Sorry, I should rephrase that - thats what *I* think the comment is about. |
| 10:51.53 | PhonicUK | Symbian feels very dated to use imo |
| 10:51.55 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how many real megapixels 12 is. |
| 10:52.13 | Termana | That may or may not of been what RST38h meant |
| 10:52.16 | Termana | have* |
| 10:52.24 | MiXu- | Windows is really dated also. |
| 10:52.30 | MiXu- | But hey, look. |
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| 10:52.52 | PhonicUK | MiXu, it doesn't feel dated because Windows 7 has done a reasonably good job at keeping with the times |
| 10:53.00 | PhonicUK | but Symbian feels like its barely changed in 5 years |
| 10:53.09 | Surfa | windows is indeed dated, but win7 is excellent os |
| 10:53.12 | Termana | MiXu-: I'm not sure Windows 7 looks all that dated at all. But that doesn't change the fact its still a sack of crap |
| 10:53.15 | MiXu- | PhonicUK: And if Symbian manages to do the same... why not? |
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| 10:53.27 | zokier | symbian is bit like winxp. it kinda works, but its age begins to feel :) |
| 10:53.30 | PhonicUK | If they manage it then fair enough, I'm talking in the presence tense |
| 10:53.33 | MiXu- | Windows 7 is exellent |
| 10:53.48 | PhonicUK | S60v5 on my N97 feels somewhat clunky to use at the best of times |
| 10:53.55 | MiXu- | I'm not judging S^3 until I see it. |
| 10:54.00 | PhonicUK | only reason I keep my N97 around is for Spotify |
| 10:54.06 | PhonicUK | otherwise I'd sell it xD |
| 10:54.14 | MiXu- | In my opinion N97 was the biggest piece of crap Nokia has released for a while. :D |
| 10:54.23 | MiXu- | At least the PR1.0 |
| 10:54.28 | PhonicUK | I don't regret getting it, I got a lot out of it |
| 10:54.28 | MiXu- | Haven't tried the upgraded onew. |
| 10:54.47 | PhonicUK | I wish they'd stayed with Webkit as the primary web engine with Maemo |
| 10:54.55 | PhonicUK | that was one of the things that Symbian still has going for it |
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| 10:54.59 | asj | PhonicUK: omg why? |
| 10:55.09 | PhonicUK | its faster? |
| 10:55.19 | SpeedEvil | http://n8makemyapp.com/ - vote for meego! :) |
| 10:55.27 | MiXu- | I am cautiously hopeful about Symbian^3 being usable. Unfortunately I won't be surprised if S^3 is as bad as S60 5th. |
| 10:55.52 | asj | PhonicUK: really? it sucks |
| 10:55.56 | RST38h | PhonicUK: 5800 is pretty much ok |
| 10:55.59 | MohammadAG | MiXu-, S60's good, for non touch phones |
| 10:55.59 | PhonicUK | <3 webkit |
| 10:56.09 | MiXu- | MohammadAG: Yes it is |
| 10:56.10 | PhonicUK | 5800 = N97 w/o keyboard and 1/2 as much storage |
| 10:56.11 | RST38h | MiXu: I will be surprised if it is not |
| 10:56.13 | asj | PhonicUK: I'll admit I just want ABP |
| 10:56.16 | PhonicUK | very similar |
| 10:56.19 | PhonicUK | ABP? |
| 10:56.20 | RST38h | PhonicUK: But it works well |
| 10:56.24 | PhonicUK | indeed |
| 10:56.33 | RST38h | PhonicUK: Within the limits of S60 applicability of course |
| 10:56.44 | asj | MohammadAG: I would disagree |
| 10:56.46 | RST38h | i.e. S60-based device is a PHOEN not a computer |
| 10:56.54 | MiXu- | And the good thing about Symbian is the maturity. If you compare a recent Symbian phone to Maemo, there are lots of things that Maemo doesn't do out of the box, but symbian does. |
| 10:57.00 | MiXu- | Like SyncML support for instance. |
| 10:57.17 | MiXu- | And Symbian phones tend to be better as _phones_ than N900 :) |
| 10:57.32 | PhonicUK | MiXu, I can't really say the same for N97 vs N900 |
| 10:57.36 | PhonicUK | my N97 is really unreliable |
| 10:57.40 | RST38h | N900 is an ok phone really |
| 10:57.52 | RST38h | PhonicUK: As I said, get yourself a 5800 |
| 10:57.53 | PhonicUK | The only thing bugging me with the N900 is the portrait mode bug |
| 10:58.01 | asj | MiXu-: symbian prioritizes tasks well, as such the audio doesn't break up, calls can be answered, etc. Maemo needs a lot of work there. |
| 10:58.03 | PhonicUK | Why get a 5800 if I have an N97 and an N900? :P |
| 10:58.04 | MiXu- | Ok, haven't tried N97 lately, so let's compare it to N95, which is old, but reliable. |
| 10:58.12 | k9 | and the camera dont have timer in N900 |
| 10:58.15 | PhonicUK | the N95 was cool |
| 10:58.18 | RST38h | N97 is a bad apple. |
| 10:58.19 | PhonicUK | quake 3 :) |
| 10:58.32 | PhonicUK | Like I said though, only reason I keep my N97 is for spotify |
| 10:58.39 | k9 | N900 internet is faster thatn N97 |
| 10:58.43 | PhonicUK | if we get a Maemo spotify client with offline support, its gone |
| 10:58.58 | PhonicUK | I may even end up writing it myself |
| 10:59.12 | RST38h | "Brazilians ordered to have more sex" |
| 10:59.23 | PhonicUK | you're reading The Register? |
| 10:59.26 | asj | n900 is missing gravity, sports tracker, ovi maps that doesn't suck |
| 10:59.36 | RST38h | is reading The Register |
| 10:59.41 | PhonicUK | :) |
| 10:59.42 | MohammadAG_ | <k9> N900 internet is faster thatn N97 |
| 10:59.51 | MohammadAG_ | everything's faster than the N97 |
| 10:59.55 | MohammadAG_ | that thing's crap |
| 11:00.00 | MohammadAG_ | is talking from experience |
| 11:00.08 | PhonicUK | If the N97 had a GPU ala N95, it would have sold so much better |
| 11:00.12 | PhonicUK | then it would have some decent games |
| 11:00.22 | PhonicUK | that said some of the software renderers ive seen on it are pretty stunning |
| 11:00.49 | w00t_ | even with a GPU, the phrase 'lipstick on a pig' comes to mind |
| 11:00.57 | k9 | MohammadAG_: have you tried comparing the N97 and N900 internet connection? prove it |
| 11:00.59 | chadi | the N97 has an excellent slider, imo |
| 11:01.10 | PhonicUK | I like that the screen comes up at an angle |
| 11:01.19 | PhonicUK | k9, I have an N97 and N900 right in front of me |
| 11:01.19 | MiXu- | good point |
| 11:01.21 | PhonicUK | literally right now |
| 11:01.21 | chadi | but that's the only thing that's better than the N900 |
| 11:01.23 | MohammadAG_ | k9, umm, it is faster |
| 11:01.33 | PhonicUK | trust me the N900 wipes the floor with it |
| 11:01.41 | MiXu- | yes it does |
| 11:01.54 | MohammadAG_ | indeed |
| 11:02.01 | MohammadAG_ | the form factor rocked |
| 11:02.02 | PhonicUK | I'd have to use a Nokia 6650 Fold to make a video tho xD |
| 11:02.07 | MohammadAG_ | but the widgets kill them self |
| 11:02.12 | MohammadAG_ | cause of low RAM |
| 11:02.14 | MohammadAG_ | fail ^ |
| 11:02.17 | PhonicUK | 128MB RAM, woo! |
| 11:02.22 | PhonicUK | It ran quake 2 really well though |
| 11:02.42 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, megadrive at 15fps |
| 11:02.44 | k9 | so N900 sucks? |
| 11:02.53 | k9 | i was even planning to buy |
| 11:02.56 | tybollt | aaaaaagh buggy POS n900 |
| 11:03.17 | deegee_ | loves his N900 :o) |
| 11:03.21 | w00t_ | ^ |
| 11:03.27 | MohammadAG | k9, N900 ftw |
| 11:03.33 | chadi | deegee_++ |
| 11:03.50 | MiXu- | N900 mostly rocks... I'm just hoping they've fixed the major bugs in PR1.2 |
| 11:03.56 | PhonicUK | MohammadAG, Megadrive ran full speed for me |
| 11:03.57 | k9 | ok ill buy iphone instead |
| 11:03.57 | tybollt | mixu++ |
| 11:03.58 | hrw | I would not buy it again |
| 11:04.02 | PhonicUK | so long as I didn't use full screen (1:1 mode) |
| 11:04.04 | tybollt | hrw++ |
| 11:04.06 | MiXu- | last night mine didn't charge at all |
| 11:04.25 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, I used full screen |
| 11:04.27 | Khertan | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/nokia-rolls-out-qt-sdk-for-unified-mobile-developer-experience/ <<< interesting |
| 11:05.16 | tybollt | right now, I entered "add things to the desktop" mode and all of a sudden everything became un-tap-able, couldn't click on anything. However the bgd still scrolled if I made it |
| 11:05.37 | SpeedEvil | hmm. Rundown test - 71h connected to wifi. But that was starting at about 90% charge |
| 11:05.43 | tybollt | (It was right after installing OMW that this behaviour started, go figure) |
| 11:05.54 | SpeedEvil | (and using it for maybe an hour also) |
| 11:06.31 | asj | the more I look at the n8 the more I think it'll be a popular consumer phone, especially when it comes free on a plan |
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| 11:07.10 | SpeedEvil | wonders if the 12MP camera is in the same socket as the n900s... |
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| 11:07.29 | tybollt | speedy: The X6? |
| 11:07.35 | asj | SpeedEvil: you wish ;) |
| 11:07.57 | PhonicUK | It's prolly 6MPx upscaled |
| 11:08.12 | k9 | 5MPx |
| 11:08.17 | tybollt | define 'upscale'? |
| 11:08.23 | SpeedEvil | asj: I doubt it, yeah |
| 11:08.31 | PhonicUK | software upscaled |
| 11:08.35 | tybollt | are there "true" 12MP cams and "upscaled" ones? |
| 11:08.36 | asj | they're advertising the large sensor, I wonder what the noise looks like |
| 11:08.44 | SpeedEvil | The n900 is a 'real' 5MP sensor. |
| 11:08.55 | SpeedEvil | But - due to the lens - and physics - it gets ~2MP |
| 11:09.18 | PhonicUK | A lot of digi cams say "X mpixels" and says "Y mpixel sensor, upscalled to X mpixels" |
| 11:09.25 | PhonicUK | in the small print |
| 11:09.35 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: and still they brag hi and lo about the AWETASTIC!111 carl zeis lens?! |
| 11:10.07 | PhonicUK | hmm, the skin on my hand is peeling off... |
| 11:10.09 | asj | you mean the doublet from 1899? |
| 11:10.17 | MohammadAG | the N8 looks good |
| 11:10.21 | MohammadAG | on paper |
| 11:10.35 | Khertan | MohammadAG: in fact no ... it s doesn't run Maemo :) |
| 11:10.44 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: yes. |
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| 11:11.01 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: nokia for the lose! |
| 11:11.02 | MohammadAG | Khertan, on paper, as in hardware :) |
| 11:11.15 | MohammadAG | I'll pass |
| 11:11.20 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: It's like advertising that you've got a _really_good_ 1cm diameter penis. |
| 11:11.21 | k9 | iphone is the best? dont u think |
| 11:11.42 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: DAMIT TO HELL! How did you know that? :-( |
| 11:11.43 | SpeedEvil | k9: nokia 3330 |
| 11:11.45 | MohammadAG | k9 very wrong channel |
| 11:11.51 | Khertan | MohammadAG: my paper say : Symbian^3 :) |
| 11:12.01 | tybollt | ;) |
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| 11:12.13 | MohammadAG | Khertan, burn it |
| 11:12.27 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:12.37 | k9 | mohammand: why am i in a wrong channel? im only asking if whats the best mobile N series or Iphone |
| 11:12.41 | MohammadAG | let it burn in hell |
| 11:12.58 | MohammadAG | k9, the iPhone still can't properly multitask :) |
| 11:13.00 | ^24seven | k9, depends what you want to do with it, and what you want from it |
| 11:13.11 | k9 | tnx 24seven |
| 11:13.16 | Khertan | Connectors: HDMI, 3.5 mm AV connector <<< funny |
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| 11:13.25 | MohammadAG | Khertan, LOL |
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| 11:13.38 | MohammadAG | for the non HD TVs :) |
| 11:14.06 | Khertan | yep :) |
| 11:14.23 | Khertan | and i don't think that the output is really hd :) |
| 11:15.26 | MohammadAG | Khertan, it's zune "HD" |
| 11:15.31 | hrw | k9: nokia knows how to make big amounts of phones. but they forgot how to make good software for it. |
| 11:15.55 | hrw | k9: I think that there is only one branch of nokia phones which shows where nokia goes: S40 |
| 11:16.00 | MohammadAG | Khertan, no one gives a crap about res *looks at iPhone* |
| 11:16.11 | Khertan | MohammadAG: yep |
| 11:17.47 | MohammadAG | Khertan, it has 256MBs of ram o.o |
| 11:17.54 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:17.59 | MohammadAG | the Omnia HD had that! |
| 11:18.29 | Khertan | it s really important to load this facebook website |
| 11:18.31 | MohammadAG | Khertan, mind typing the symbol between symbian and 3? |
| 11:18.36 | hrw | k9: maemo devices always suffered from lack of interest inside of nokia software teams. you can get apps which will never be finished and forget about good application from outside of nokia. |
| 11:18.48 | MohammadAG | (I broke the Sym char menu) |
| 11:18.59 | Khertan | hrw: hum ... |
| 11:19.25 | Khertan | MohammadAG: use copy / paste :) |
| 11:19.30 | Khertan | ^^^^ |
| 11:19.33 | k9 | hrw: i guess your right, to much apps in maemo but not perfectly done |
| 11:19.34 | MohammadAG | Khertan, I found it lol |
| 11:19.34 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:19.35 | MohammadAG | Symbian^3 |
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| 11:20.36 | MohammadAG | Khertan, copy and paste will work, till I need to copy something else |
| 11:20.43 | hrw | Khertan: I know that there are few good apps in extras. but I will never say that there are many apps for maemo |
| 11:21.08 | mece | is Qt SDK available to the general public? |
| 11:21.20 | Khertan | mece: it seems |
| 11:21.21 | MohammadAG | Qt SDK? |
| 11:21.33 | Khertan | http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtsdk/qt-sdk-win-opensource-2010.02.1.exe |
| 11:21.43 | MohammadAG | oh, that |
| 11:21.48 | Khertan | maybe we didn't talk about the same version |
| 11:21.49 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:21.54 | MohammadAG | Khertan, sure you're not infobot? :p |
| 11:22.06 | Khertan | no i'm just currently downloading it |
| 11:22.07 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:22.13 | MohammadAG | oh lol |
| 11:22.16 | k9 | lol |
| 11:22.20 | mece | Khertan, thanks! |
| 11:22.26 | mece | LOL |
| 11:22.26 | Khertan | nope your welcome |
| 11:22.40 | MiXu- | Oooh! Nokia Qt SDK beta is out <3 |
| 11:22.44 | Khertan | ;) |
| 11:22.47 | MiXu- | at forum nokia |
| 11:22.57 | mece | Man i watched the promo vid and found myself strangely aroused. |
| 11:23.06 | MiXu- | mece: me too |
| 11:23.11 | MohammadAG | aroused o.O |
| 11:23.14 | MiXu- | There was no rally english in it. I'm surprised. |
| 11:23.14 | mece | hahah |
| 11:23.31 | crashanddie_ | Khertan: t'es la? |
| 11:23.32 | mece | well the one guy with 25M downloads from ovi was a bit ralli |
| 11:23.39 | Khertan | crashanddie_: yep |
| 11:23.46 | MiXu- | mece: That wasn't bad at all |
| 11:23.58 | mece | good servers... 4Mb/s |
| 11:24.05 | Khertan | mece: i give you the wrong link |
| 11:24.08 | Khertan | mece: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html |
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| 11:24.14 | Khertan | sorry |
| 11:24.24 | mece | so what did I download? |
| 11:24.30 | MohammadAG | Khertan, tsk tsk tsk, you're downloading it for windows then |
| 11:24.56 | mece | I have windows xp here at work actually, so it was the correct link. I was rather surprised that you knew that though :D |
| 11:25.27 | MiXu- | mece: No it's not the same as the one he pasted later |
| 11:25.45 | MiXu- | qt-sdk-win-opensource-2010.02.1.exe is the old one (the official one) |
| 11:26.20 | MiXu- | Or I don't know which one you're after :) |
| 11:26.33 | MiXu- | But the Nokia Qt SDK Beta was released today. |
| 11:26.43 | MiXu- | And it seems kick ass |
| 11:27.01 | mece | damn, I hope mece @ forum.nokia is me... |
| 11:27.04 | mece | I think it is. |
| 11:27.12 | Khertan | MohammadAG: yes as i'm at work |
| 11:27.13 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:27.28 | mece | well this was Qt SDK 2010.02.1 |
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| 11:27.54 | mece | ok so I want the beta one. |
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| 11:27.56 | Anss| | MiXu-, do you have a link? |
| 11:28.08 | MiXu- | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/nokia-rolls-out-qt-sdk-for-unified-mobile-developer-experience/ |
| 11:28.16 | Anss| | thaanks |
| 11:28.34 | MiXu- | There's also http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ |
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| 11:29.14 | MiXu- | There was some simulator in the video. Could that mean no more scratchbox? <3 |
| 11:29.40 | mece | shit. I think I resetted someone else's password... |
| 11:29.48 | MiXu- | lol |
| 11:33.11 | mece | ok, I'm registered, downloading and ready to fuck things up! |
| 11:33.42 | mece | err.. Apologies for the swearing. Got a little carried away there. This is not twitter after all. |
| 11:34.04 | noobmonk3y | oo khertan is alive |
| 11:34.08 | MohammadAG__ | it isn't? |
| 11:34.13 | noobmonk3y | waves frantically at khertan! |
| 11:34.14 | mece | LOL |
| 11:34.21 | noobmonk3y | bounces up and down |
| 11:34.34 | MohammadAG__ | was looking for the RT button |
| 11:35.05 | mece | hey n00bmonk3y, how do you develop pyqt? or is it pyside? My scratch said there were no qt libs available. |
| 11:35.28 | noobmonk3y | mece i do it in python idle (on win vista/7 pc) then winscp it across and test it on the device |
| 11:35.38 | mece | ok. |
| 11:35.56 | noobmonk3y | initially i used qt designer to give me an idea, found it easier to hand code :P |
| 11:36.08 | *** part/#maemo JamieBen1ett (~JamieBenn@5ac88451.bb.sky.com) |
| 11:36.09 | chadi | hey healthcheck ;) |
| 11:36.16 | mece | ye.. well trying qtsdk now. Let's see how it is. |
| 11:36.18 | noobmonk3y | lol i get called by the application name now lols! |
| 11:36.24 | noobmonk3y | ooo let me know how it goes |
| 11:36.26 | healthcheck | hey chadi |
| 11:36.28 | noobmonk3y | might try a re-install soon! |
| 11:36.31 | noobmonk3y | lol healthcheck |
| 11:36.33 | tybollt | hrrm, I entirely forgot which was the "good" MSN thingy? |
| 11:36.34 | chadi | haha |
| 11:36.39 | tybollt | pecan by any chance? |
| 11:36.47 | noobmonk3y | pecan pie? |
| 11:36.55 | mece | pecan be the good. |
| 11:37.00 | tybollt | ~slap noobmonk3y |
| 11:37.00 | infobot | ACTION slaps noobmonk3y, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 11:37.04 | MohammadAG | makes you haze-y |
| 11:37.05 | noobmonk3y | winks at khertan... |
| 11:37.05 | mece | is pecan in extras btw? I was it was close recently. |
| 11:37.11 | MohammadAG | without being purple |
| 11:37.14 | noobmonk3y | |fondle tybollt |
| 11:37.16 | noobmonk3y | meh |
| 11:37.17 | chadi | noobmonk3y: yea, you healthcheck led to a brick :P |
| 11:37.19 | tybollt | aaaw |
| 11:37.19 | mece | lol |
| 11:37.22 | noobmonk3y | ~fondle tybollt |
| 11:37.28 | mece | wtf? |
| 11:37.32 | noobmonk3y | yay to fecked up keyboard languages |
| 11:37.33 | mece | healtcheck bricked? |
| 11:37.37 | noobmonk3y | nope |
| 11:37.40 | noobmonk3y | healthcheck works for me :D |
| 11:37.41 | chadi | mece nope |
| 11:37.41 | tybollt | yes |
| 11:37.41 | MohammadAG | sues noobmonk3y |
| 11:37.49 | mece | lolwut? |
| 11:38.04 | noobmonk3y | countersue's MohammadAG muhahahahaha |
| 11:38.05 | MohammadAG | demands 100000 slices of bacon |
| 11:38.10 | MohammadAG | crap |
| 11:38.11 | mece | mm bacon |
| 11:38.17 | lcuk | pre ordered the bacon |
| 11:38.22 | chadi | it told me that 95% of rootfs is busy, so i bricked my device after trying to free it :P |
| 11:38.27 | MohammadAG | LOL it really does ping lcuk |
| 11:38.28 | noobmonk3y | anyway who started an evil healthcheck bricking rumour? |
| 11:38.33 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 11:38.33 | mece | lcuk, with a side order of DNF? |
| 11:38.34 | tybollt | IIRC the guy who initially wrote lpurple wrote a drop in client for msn on the n900, not sure if it's pecan or haze :S |
| 11:38.37 | noobmonk3y | blames healthcheck |
| 11:38.46 | RST38h | lcuk: in bulk? |
| 11:38.48 | chadi | sure :P |
| 11:38.54 | MohammadAG | blames the guy who made healthcheck |
| 11:38.57 | mece | pecan is written by a former haze coder. |
| 11:39.00 | noobmonk3y | blames lcuk |
| 11:39.04 | mece | and pecan is the good one. |
| 11:39.11 | MohammadAG | sure let's blame him |
| 11:39.12 | noobmonk3y | needs bacon...... |
| 11:39.15 | tybollt | ~fondle mece's |
| 11:39.18 | tybollt | eeeeew ;) |
| 11:39.18 | noobmonk3y | chadi: is your device ok now? |
| 11:39.20 | mece | blames canada |
| 11:39.32 | MohammadAG | blames the ash cloud |
| 11:39.35 | noobmonk3y | mece: good idea |
| 11:40.04 | chadi | noobmonk3y nope, dowloading the binaries to reflash :P |
| 11:40.10 | chadi | still in coma |
| 11:40.11 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 11:40.12 | mece | mplayer is the only app that has really fracked up my precious. |
| 11:40.19 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: be the ash clouds fault.... that was lcuks fault..... so the world is lcuk 's fault? |
| 11:40.28 | noobmonk3y | eeeeeeeeek's |
| 11:40.29 | noobmonk3y | gl! |
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| 11:40.43 | chadi | thank you =) |
| 11:40.43 | tybollt | gl |
| 11:40.44 | tybollt | gg |
| 11:40.46 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, he taught sharks to shoot lasers |
| 11:40.51 | noobmonk3y | will not install mplayer, as the device media player suits my needs :D |
| 11:41.03 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: naaaa, that was mrs lcuk |
| 11:41.06 | lcuk | you guys doubted it? http://liqbase.net/irc.bacon.png |
| 11:41.26 | chadi | btw, noobmonk3y, i noticed that scrolling sucks; it sometimes moves after i pull out my finger from the screen |
| 11:41.35 | ShadowJK | mece: What did MPlayer do? |
| 11:41.41 | noobmonk3y | chadi: QT scrolling = fail |
| 11:41.44 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 11:41.53 | tybollt | lcuk++ |
| 11:42.02 | noobmonk3y | any knowledgable PR1.2 / SDK people know if QT scrolling in lists is fixed soon? |
| 11:42.03 | chadi | noobmonk3y: QT scrolling or PyQT scrolling? |
| 11:42.16 | mece | ShadowJK, it made my device stop playing media. |
| 11:42.16 | noobmonk3y | chadi: QT i think |
| 11:42.23 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, whats wrong? |
| 11:42.24 | hrw | mplayer... someone know which params (ao/vo) should be used on n900? |
| 11:42.41 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: scrolling in healthcheck list box jumps around as and when it feels |
| 11:42.43 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, http://www.themadhat.com/images/flying-sharks.jpg |
| 11:42.56 | MohammadAG | + lasers, yeah, blame lcuk |
| 11:43.00 | chadi | noobmonk3y; also, i prefer the non-colored theme :P |
| 11:43.01 | noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG ! nice |
| 11:43.02 | mece | hrw, pupnik had some nice ones to bypass pulse.. |
| 11:43.06 | noobmonk3y | chadi: Meh |
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| 11:43.22 | noobmonk3y | healthcheck = green, the governments will never catch on lol |
| 11:43.23 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, hes serious :p |
| 11:43.28 | lcuk | have a way to disable theme ;) |
| 11:43.29 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: i'm always serious :D |
| 11:43.45 | mece | likes his phone black. |
| 11:43.50 | ShadowJK | hrw, -ao pulse -vo xv:ck-method=auto |
| 11:44.10 | chadi | noobmonk3y and one last thing: while loading, it asks me to enable GPS settings, but I have them disabled. That's annoying :D |
| 11:44.25 | Ministeri | Hey. I'm creating few Maemo 5 -themes and I wanted to ask if it's possible to somehow create rounded borders on screen. Like in some earlier Maemo-version themes... |
| 11:44.28 | MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y> lcuk: i'm always serious :D |
| 11:44.30 | noobmonk3y | well... kinda hard not too :( - as it tests the gps settings :| |
| 11:44.30 | MohammadAG | that worries me |
| 11:44.32 | Ministeri | Example pic: http://i43.tinypic.com/m9u7fd.png |
| 11:44.37 | mece | Qt sdk is humongous! |
| 11:45.00 | ShadowJK | mece, I guess either the alsa-plugin-pulse-alsa-audiodevice chain failed, or then X's xv driver wedged itself.. it shouldn't even be possible for MPlayer to cause problems that presist across reboots though :P |
| 11:45.09 | noobmonk3y | will think of a way to test GPS without using GPS one day... but for now, i'm not god :P |
| 11:45.44 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, tie it with 911 |
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| 11:45.51 | noobmonk3y | :| |
| 11:45.52 | chadi | noobmonk3y; not that I don't want it, I jsut don't have it available in my country :P |
| 11:45.55 | MohammadAG | hits GPS test |
| 11:45.59 | noobmonk3y | no gps chadi? |
| 11:46.03 | MohammadAG | "Dialing 911" |
| 11:46.03 | noobmonk3y | eeeeek..... |
| 11:46.03 | mece | ShadowJK, I tried rebooting, uninstalling reinstalling media players codecs and whatnot |
| 11:46.09 | hrw | ShadowJK: thx |
| 11:46.09 | RST38h | Ministeri: What theme is it??? |
| 11:46.16 | mece | ShadowJK, had to flash the fkkr |
| 11:46.19 | noobmonk3y | chadi: since when did you live in atlantis? |
| 11:46.26 | mece | Ministeri, epic theme! What is it? |
| 11:46.33 | ShadowJK | MPlayer doesn't at all touch the default media player, and doesn't replace or use any of the codecs with the default media player |
| 11:46.34 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, seriously, they can check your location using GPS, just ask them if they can |
| 11:46.49 | noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG - you can triangulate on cell towers i spose |
| 11:46.51 | chadi | noobmonk3y i'm in the country where 3G is not available, where 1mbit is the fastest internet connection, etc.. |
| 11:46.54 | mece | ShadowJK, well that's what I installed, and that's what happened. |
| 11:47.03 | noobmonk3y | chadi: sounds very much like the UK to me ;) |
| 11:47.07 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, ask them for an exact location |
| 11:47.16 | MohammadAG | they'll get a bit bored after a while though |
| 11:47.19 | ShadowJK | mece, although if you have a video file on the device that the default media player can't play, then it kills itself :) |
| 11:47.21 | asj | chadi: sucks being in the USA eh? |
| 11:47.27 | noobmonk3y | chadi: - can make you a botched version without GPS if you want? |
| 11:47.32 | Ministeri | Mece, just a mockup. Maybe I will make it later. |
| 11:47.34 | mece | ShadowJK, the media player couldn't play ANYTHING |
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| 11:47.42 | chadi | noobmonk3y hah it's ok :p |
| 11:47.57 | mece | Ministeri, can you make it in obsidian too? I really like the flat buttons. |
| 11:47.57 | ShadowJK | mece, yeah that happens when you have a file it can't play anywhere on teh device :P |
| 11:47.59 | MohammadAG | botched lol |
| 11:47.59 | Ministeri | RST38h, It's not a theme. Just my mockup. |
| 11:48.00 | chadi | asj: yea, lots of tsunamis |
| 11:48.04 | ShadowJK | it's a bug, fixed in PR1.2 maybe |
| 11:48.14 | RST38h | Ministeri: Ah please make it a theme =)~~~ |
| 11:48.14 | mece | ShadowJK, interesting. |
| 11:48.19 | ShadowJK | hey, how come nobody has made "Fixed in PR1.2" t-shirts yet? |
| 11:48.27 | chadi | haha |
| 11:48.27 | MohammadAG | rofl |
| 11:48.35 | asj | ShadowJK: I'll buy one |
| 11:48.36 | mece | ShadowJK, to replace the fixed in fremantle ones? |
| 11:48.42 | ShadowJK | mece, yeah :) |
| 11:48.51 | Stskeeps | i have a FiF tshit |
| 11:48.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:48.54 | Ministeri | Is there somewhere template.png -file of original Maemo5-theme, not SDK? |
| 11:49.00 | noobmonk3y | has a fixed in pr1.2 tatoo on his...... erm... anyone fancy changing subject? |
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| 11:49.22 | asj | noobmonk3y: no |
| 11:49.29 | noobmonk3y | grins |
| 11:49.35 | noobmonk3y | is going for some fresh air brb |
| 11:49.48 | mece | "fresh" air? |
| 11:49.54 | noobmonk3y | oh MohammadAG - got python pong working hehe |
| 11:50.05 | mece | pypong |
| 11:50.06 | lcuk | noobmonk3y pongs |
| 11:50.07 | mece | haha |
| 11:50.12 | noobmonk3y | 's first attempt at pygame |
| 11:50.23 | mece | so,, you're working on a python port of iphoneOS? |
| 11:50.24 | MohammadAG | infobot, ping |
| 11:50.25 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 11:50.51 | noobmonk3y | mece: as supposed to the fake fresh air non smokers breath in |
| 11:51.06 | mece | noobmonk3y, exactly :D |
| 11:51.20 | mece | except opposed not supposed |
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| 11:51.28 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 11:53.10 | chadi | when is the hong kong release of PR1.2? |
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| 11:54.03 | MohammadAG | 29 feb |
| 11:54.20 | MohammadAG | Tue Apr 27 14:54:20 IDT 2010 |
| 11:54.22 | chadi | same day of ubuntu's new LTS |
| 11:54.29 | MohammadAG | o.O |
| 11:54.35 | MohammadAG | 10.04? |
| 11:54.39 | chadi | yeah |
| 11:54.50 | MohammadAG | that broke xephyr for me lol |
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| 11:55.38 | chadi | the beta? |
| 11:55.39 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a trout |
| 11:55.56 | MohammadAG | chadi, yeah |
| 11:56.02 | MohammadAG | but plymouth was ftw |
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| 11:56.17 | chadi | I don't try betas :P |
| 11:58.52 | chadi | 53mbs left for the *.bin! |
| 11:58.58 | ShadowJK | hm, are there any bugs that are fixed in >PR1.2? |
| 11:59.19 | chadi | ShadowJK yeah, PR 1.3 :P |
| 11:59.29 | tybollt | PR 1.3 is a bug? |
| 11:59.32 | noobmonk3y | slaps frals with a dolphin |
| 11:59.40 | tybollt | frals? |
| 11:59.44 | ShadowJK | maybe we can make "fixed in PR1.3" tshirts at the same time then |
| 11:59.46 | tybollt | why are you slaping him? |
| 11:59.48 | chadi | tybollt a virtual one |
| 12:00.38 | frals | why shouldnt i? |
| 12:00.42 | asj | ShadowJK: how about PR2.0? |
| 12:00.48 | noobmonk3y | good point well made frals |
| 12:00.50 | lcuk | frals, \o |
| 12:00.55 | frals | o/ |
| 12:01.08 | noobmonk3y | o/\o |
| 12:01.30 | tybollt | \\o |
| 12:01.31 | tybollt | o// |
| 12:01.57 | ShadowJK | asj, I wouldn't dare assume there'll be a 2.0 :P |
| 12:02.36 | Appiah | We will get Duke Nukeem forever with PR 2.0 |
| 12:02.39 | Appiah | ducks |
| 12:03.08 | MohammadAG | PR2.0 will have a built in PS3 emulator |
| 12:03.11 | RST38h | Shockingly Bowness, now Lady Sinclair, had a Commodore computer as a child, not a ZX Spectrum |
| 12:03.29 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: PR 2.0 will be a PS4 you mean?! lol |
| 12:03.29 | crashanddie_ | Hey guys, how would I go about re-creating the same kind of interface as the SMS conversations? |
| 12:03.33 | crashanddie_ | (pymaemo / gtk) |
| 12:03.43 | RST38h | MohammadAG: And 5 cute little kittens! |
| 12:03.44 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, that's PR2.1 |
| 12:03.46 | noobmonk3y | crashanddie_: ask frals |
| 12:03.52 | crashanddie_ | I want to do it very simply, I'm guessing a pannable area, but how do I create each SMS? |
| 12:03.57 | lcuk | crashanddie_, pyqt would be preferable perhaps |
| 12:04.09 | MohammadAG | RST38h, screw kittens, I want laser shooting penguins |
| 12:04.11 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: nha just want to throw something together without too many dependencies |
| 12:04.23 | noobmonk3y | lthinks a'lotta looping through the sqlite db?! |
| 12:04.24 | auenf | create it as a html page then ;) |
| 12:04.30 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Promised to us by Maemo Devices since Maemo5 |
| 12:04.43 | RST38h | (check #maemo logs for the proof) |
| 12:04.52 | lcuk | what was promised! |
| 12:04.54 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 12:05.07 | noobmonk3y | frikkin laser shooting penguins! |
| 12:05.08 | frals | holds noobmonk3y responsible |
| 12:05.12 | RST38h | lcuk: the laser shooting penguins |
| 12:05.17 | lcuk | oh yeah those |
| 12:05.27 | lcuk | have you ever tried to herd penguins |
| 12:05.34 | lcuk | worse than gerbils |
| 12:05.46 | noobmonk3y | gerbils mating with laser penguins = fecked up! |
| 12:06.00 | lcuk | at least they come out cooked |
| 12:06.10 | mece | hey what's a standard font on N900? |
| 12:06.19 | mece | like the aliases.. |
| 12:06.25 | Anss| | noobmonk3y, you mean tux? :) |
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| 12:06.38 | mece | ther eis monotype.. what is the standard variable width font called? |
| 12:06.57 | MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y> gerbils mating with laser penguins = fecked up! lmao |
| 12:07.13 | crashanddie_ | sometimes the documentation doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 12:07.14 | lcuk | mece, nokia sans afaik |
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| 12:07.24 | crashanddie_ | "Never use <this>, you should use <this>" |
| 12:07.32 | crashanddie_ | (and <this> is the same both times) |
| 12:08.25 | MohammadAG | misses the "The next episode is about to begin" ads |
| 12:08.54 | noobmonk3y | grins |
| 12:09.08 | noobmonk3y | tux is a cross between a gerbil and a frikkin laser shooting penguin? |
| 12:09.08 | noobmonk3y | wow! |
| 12:09.25 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, he shoots fireballs in SuperTux |
| 12:09.45 | tybollt | tux is Linus Torvalds inbred brother |
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| 12:10.55 | jcrawford | hell yea just got the email that my N900 should be here over the next 2 weeks :) |
| 12:10.57 | jcrawford | cannot wait for it |
| 12:11.11 | auenf | email from? |
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| 12:11.33 | tybollt | fast forward two months and jcrawford will be lamenting about the POS that is N900 and no PR1.2 yet in here ;) |
| 12:12.13 | jcrawford | lol what is PR1.2? |
| 12:12.30 | jcrawford | idc if it sux it's free for me so i cannot complain :)( |
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| 12:12.39 | MohammadAG | who doesn't know PR1.2 |
| 12:12.44 | Anss| | legend says that penguin called tux shot linus with freaking lazer at zoo :) |
| 12:12.48 | auenf | ahh, free n900 |
| 12:13.04 | auenf | that explains why the lack of actualy knowledge of the device |
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| 12:13.37 | k9 | jcrawford: im selling my N900 |
| 12:13.48 | k9 | jcrawford: where you from? |
| 12:16.14 | jcrawford | k9, USA |
| 12:16.53 | jcrawford | auenf, sure i have not looked at the device much. I plan to do that once it is in hand. No sense looking into developing without the phone in hand :) |
| 12:17.01 | jcrawford | so seriously what is PR1.2? |
| 12:17.22 | auenf | there is about 500 threads about PR1.2, start researching |
| 12:19.08 | tybollt | auenf: PR1.2 being looked forward to? You don't say! :) |
| 12:19.46 | jcrawford | so there are a lot of issues currently with the N900 firmware? |
| 12:20.04 | lcuk | jcrawford, its the next iteration |
| 12:20.12 | auenf | not really issues |
| 12:20.16 | noobmonk3y | jcrawford: my N900 thinks it is a saheep, i'm told PR1.2 will fix it |
| 12:20.19 | noobmonk3y | sheep* |
| 12:20.22 | noobmonk3y | also can't type |
| 12:20.27 | jcrawford | lol |
| 12:20.31 | auenf | but PR1.2 will add some things that people seem to have trouble waiting for |
| 12:20.52 | noobmonk3y | grumbles |
| 12:20.52 | lcuk | my lego men arrived \o/ |
| 12:21.03 | noobmonk3y | healthcheck had 55k downloads yesterday, today it has 53k......... |
| 12:21.04 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 12:21.05 | frals | lol |
| 12:21.10 | jcrawford | heh funny I work @ Nokia but not in the devices department (which is why i am in the dark on this stuff) |
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| 12:21.27 | MohammadAG | which dep then? |
| 12:21.32 | jcrawford | OviStore |
| 12:21.39 | noobmonk3y | omg |
| 12:21.45 | noobmonk3y | rants at jcrawford |
| 12:21.48 | MohammadAG | do us all a favor and burn it down |
| 12:21.49 | jcrawford | lol i know i know |
| 12:22.00 | noobmonk3y | why the fuckles do they sell media for the n900 that it can't use! |
| 12:22.03 | Scelt | jcrawford: where's ovi maps 3 for n900? |
| 12:22.06 | jcrawford | the current solution sucks, we are hard at work though so you should see it straighten out soon |
| 12:22.12 | noobmonk3y | yay! |
| 12:22.22 | jcrawford | Scelt, i have no idea and even if i did my NDA would restrict me from saying |
| 12:22.25 | noobmonk3y | the last time i've heard nokia and soon in a sentence it had PR1.2 in it |
| 12:22.31 | MohammadAG | jcrawford, may I suggest something? |
| 12:22.34 | Ken-Young | jcrawford, Wow - The OVI store may be the least popular part of Nokia for N900 users. |
| 12:22.36 | Scelt | jcrawford: I think it's in bit space :P |
| 12:22.44 | Stskeeps | jcrawford: that was brave to admit in public |
| 12:22.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 12:22.48 | noobmonk3y | lol :D |
| 12:22.50 | MohammadAG | I doubt it will be taken into account though |
| 12:22.53 | jcrawford | noobmonk3y, that was the way the store was designed, soon you will only see products your device can install |
| 12:22.58 | tybollt | bets a fiver jcrawford is in marketing |
| 12:23.03 | noobmonk3y | lol - strangely i still have no angst against jcrawford .... :P |
| 12:23.09 | chadi | pokes healthcheck |
| 12:23.15 | jcrawford | ;p marketing I think NOT |
| 12:23.16 | MohammadAG | asks again |
| 12:23.17 | noobmonk3y | kicks healthcheck into submission |
| 12:23.18 | MohammadAG | jcrawford, may I suggest something? |
| 12:23.35 | jcrawford | MohammadAG, sure so long as you know i will take it like a grain of salt :) |
| 12:23.37 | noobmonk3y | tweeting "nokia asking for an N8 to test healthcheck on... no answer - hehehe |
| 12:23.39 | MohammadAG | wonders if he's on ignore |
| 12:23.42 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 12:23.50 | jcrawford | if it is a serious suggestion I will make it through the chain of command though |
| 12:23.50 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 12:23.58 | chadi | noobmonk3y M8 is symbian :P |
| 12:24.04 | noobmonk3y | i know chadi |
| 12:24.08 | chadi | no health to check |
| 12:24.15 | noobmonk3y | yeah there is :P |
| 12:24.19 | MohammadAG | jcrawford, make an app that locks a directory, gets debs into it, installs them, then clears the directory and unlocks it |
| 12:24.20 | mece | healthcheck is qt :P |
| 12:24.25 | noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG |
| 12:24.31 | MohammadAG | i'm serious |
| 12:24.31 | noobmonk3y | so mece? |
| 12:24.36 | noobmonk3y | what did nokia release today? |
| 12:24.42 | noobmonk3y | it should work if i faff with the variables |
| 12:24.45 | mece | noobmonk3y, shouldn't that work on n8? |
| 12:24.46 | jcrawford | yes while the current OviStore sucks (for all devices) a new improved version is in the works (no release dates from me though) but know that stuff should get better soon. |
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| 12:24.50 | MohammadAG | jcrawford, basically like the current apt, but with a non user readable directory |
| 12:25.01 | noobmonk3y | mece: the screen etc will - but the specifics to maem owill bomb it out |
| 12:25.07 | jcrawford | MohammadAG, that would be a suggestion for the Maemo team not the OviStore team :) |
| 12:25.07 | chadi | what's with nokia and the release dates? |
| 12:25.18 | mece | jcrawford, it can't suck that bad though. I hear someone is getting their software. |
| 12:25.20 | noobmonk3y | jcrawford: a suggestion for both to talk to each other ;) |
| 12:25.21 | MohammadAG | jcrawford, what's the ovi store team for then? |
| 12:25.21 | auenf | nokia have never had release dates |
| 12:25.22 | jcrawford | I will see if I can dig out some contacts for you though |
| 12:25.26 | MohammadAG | (maemo related) |
| 12:25.36 | MohammadAG | lol noobmonk3y |
| 12:25.46 | jcrawford | MohammadAG, we develop the store which interacts with devices |
| 12:26.00 | jcrawford | you would want to talk to the OviStore Client Development team for Maemo |
| 12:26.04 | Scelt | jcrawford: no you don't, you irc with maemo fans |
| 12:26.09 | noobmonk3y | loves big companies.... it's as though the left hand doesnt know the right hand exists but they can both scratch the same butt cheek and forehead |
| 12:26.11 | MohammadAG | is there a client? |
| 12:26.12 | tybollt | is actually waiting for a blog from Ari... "What PR1.2? We never promised such a thing! Forget it people, it's Harmattan and N910 from this point forward!" |
| 12:26.25 | MohammadAG | LOL noobmonk3y |
| 12:26.38 | jcrawford | MohammadAG, honestly I am not sure how the N900 works yet but yes most phones have a native store client, those who don't use the mobi site |
| 12:26.46 | noobmonk3y | ahhhh :D |
| 12:26.57 | MohammadAG | jcrawford, it uses a mobile site that downloads .install files |
| 12:26.59 | jcrawford | lol noobmonk3y |
| 12:27.02 | MohammadAG | which is... very slow |
| 12:27.07 | noobmonk3y | jcrawford: welcome by the way :D - kinda good to hear from other perspectives |
| 12:27.23 | jcrawford | MohammadAG, I am not sure if that will change or not in the future but I will discuss this with the Mobi team in that case |
| 12:27.27 | MohammadAG | wants someone from Nokia in here |
| 12:27.29 | chadi | why don't we have the maemo source code available so that we fix our own bugs? |
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| 12:27.39 | MohammadAG | chadi, you wish |
| 12:27.47 | jcrawford | MohammadAG, please email me, email coming through now |
| 12:27.48 | MohammadAG | but seriously |
| 12:27.49 | noobmonk3y | chadi: you do, except for the closed source parts |
| 12:27.57 | MohammadAG | ah crap |
| 12:28.04 | andre__ | chadi: what maemo source exactly? |
| 12:28.05 | MohammadAG | infobot, openness |
| 12:28.15 | Stskeeps | ~openness |
| 12:28.27 | noobmonk3y | ~FOSS |
| 12:28.28 | infobot | foss is probably Free and Open Source Software |
| 12:28.29 | noobmonk3y | maybe? |
| 12:28.35 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 12:28.40 | chadi | andre__ like everything, i'd like to take a look |
| 12:28.44 | tybollt | ~scratch butcheek |
| 12:28.45 | infobot | ACTION shreds butcheek's backside |
| 12:28.49 | Stskeeps | infobot, openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html |
| 12:28.50 | infobot | okay, Stskeeps |
| 12:28.50 | noobmonk3y | chadi: most of it is available :D |
| 12:28.56 | MohammadAG | infobot, openness |
| 12:28.56 | infobot | somebody said openness was http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html |
| 12:28.56 | noobmonk3y | lol Stskeeps |
| 12:29.04 | noobmonk3y | 'somebody' |
| 12:29.06 | Stskeeps | chadi: -> that page |
| 12:29.07 | chadi | noobmonk3y fine, i'll google |
| 12:29.12 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, alzeheimer |
| 12:29.15 | chadi | Stskeeps okay thanks |
| 12:29.18 | MohammadAG | corrects typos |
| 12:29.34 | andre__ | chadi: like 80% of everything is available already. |
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| 12:29.54 | MohammadAG | grumbles at SSU |
| 12:29.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell Stskeeps about maemo-obsolete |
| 12:30.06 | chadi | andre__ and can I rebuild what I want? |
| 12:30.14 | MohammadAG | chadi, yes |
| 12:30.23 | Stskeeps | andre__: 80% of the platform, yes :P |
| 12:30.29 | MohammadAG | you can't SSU if you break the metapackage though |
| 12:30.35 | andre__ | Stskeeps, ah, okay :-P |
| 12:30.37 | chadi | andre__ makes me want to fix that annoying skype bug |
| 12:30.48 | MohammadAG | skype's closed |
| 12:30.54 | MohammadAG | as telepathy-spirit |
| 12:30.56 | Stskeeps | andre__: (which is another magic number) |
| 12:31.02 | andre__ | chadi, if you convince Skype to release their code, go ahead ;-) |
| 12:31.05 | chadi | meh |
| 12:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | skype's soooo closed they even crypt the ELF |
| 12:31.24 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 12:31.28 | frals | "someone else should do it i just like to whine" |
| 12:31.36 | frals | ;) |
| 12:31.40 | Shapeshifter | skype is evil |
| 12:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | no kidding |
| 12:32.08 | MohammadAG | skype's good |
| 12:32.23 | chadi | andre__ so what happens exactly when they have a bug? the maemo team asks skype to fix that and skype releases a binary to test? |
| 12:32.38 | andre__ | depends on where exactly the bug is, I'd say. |
| 12:32.38 | Stskeeps | sounds reasonable |
| 12:32.43 | SpeedEvil | chadi: yes |
| 12:32.57 | MiXu- | Is anyone using PC or Ovi Suite with N900? |
| 12:33.01 | MiXu- | Which one is better? |
| 12:33.13 | MohammadAG | neither |
| 12:33.16 | andre__ | :-P |
| 12:33.23 | tybollt | MiXu-: PC Suite _can_ backup the n900 |
| 12:33.27 | noobmonk3y | MiXu-: pcsuite |
| 12:33.29 | andre__ | MiXu-, depends on which OS you're on, I'd say. |
| 12:33.33 | noobmonk3y | ovi suite always fails :( |
| 12:33.39 | tybollt | MiXu-: ovi suite is entirely incompatible at all levels w/ the n900 |
| 12:33.41 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, both fail :P |
| 12:33.46 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: fails |
| 12:33.48 | MohammadAG | even with my N97 they failed |
| 12:33.50 | tybollt | that is the greatest farce there is about the N900 |
| 12:33.51 | noobmonk3y | frals: fails even worse |
| 12:33.57 | MiXu- | tybollt: Ah, I see |
| 12:34.01 | tybollt | it is !compatible w/ everything ovi |
| 12:34.05 | frals | oi shutup noobmonk3y |
| 12:34.06 | nid0 | the fact that 2 pieces of software even exist is the biggest fail |
| 12:34.08 | MohammadAG | does a /cs kickban noobmonk3y how dare you! |
| 12:34.17 | MiXu- | nid0: I agree |
| 12:34.18 | noobmonk3y | ~bitch-slap frals |
| 12:34.25 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 12:34.28 | nid0 | one of the original reasons of the ovi suite was to amalgamate the 54689034680349034 different pieces of pc software nokia have |
| 12:34.29 | noobmonk3y | |hug frals |
| 12:34.33 | noobmonk3y | ~hug frals |
| 12:34.34 | infobot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs frals |
| 12:34.34 | tybollt | in essence... nokia flagship is not compatible (after half a year on the market) w/ their flagship appstore/framework |
| 12:34.35 | noobmonk3y | yay!~ |
| 12:34.35 | frals | ~nuke noobmonk3y |
| 12:34.36 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at noobmonk3y ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 12:34.37 | nid0 | now theres just 54689034680349034 + 12 |
| 12:34.42 | nid0 | +1* |
| 12:34.47 | tybollt | that is so entirely gruesomely pathetic and embarasing |
| 12:34.51 | Stskeeps | where did n900 get stated as a flagship btw? |
| 12:34.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:34.57 | nid0 | nowhere |
| 12:35.00 | noobmonk3y | slight difference between a tackle-hug and a 100 missiles i feel |
| 12:35.00 | Arkenoi | scp'ing media files to n900 sucks |
| 12:35.00 | nid0 | people just assume |
| 12:35.13 | tybollt | Stskeeps: I stand corrected... :) It's a flagshit ;) |
| 12:35.15 | noobmonk3y | Arkenoi: does it? works for me |
| 12:35.24 | Arkenoi | damn indexer tries to pick them up as they go and slows everything down |
| 12:35.42 | nid0 | mass storage mode usb transfers are the way to move lots of media |
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| 12:36.21 | Corsac | current flagship device is N8 according to google |
| 12:36.24 | noobmonk3y | looks at frals......... get of that penguin you sick sick thing :P |
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| 12:36.56 | tybollt | it is as if the n900/maemo is the kid nokia never wish to have given birth to and now they do everything they can to adopt it away. |
| 12:37.06 | MiXu- | Boooo! You can't use the Nokia Qt SDK Beta with a PR1.1.1 :D |
| 12:37.14 | MiXu- | I want that damn PR1.2 already |
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| 12:37.34 | Corsac | pr1.2 is overrated |
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| 12:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | where's the thread on tmo where all the adds spotted out in the wild fot N900 are collected? Flagship? pfff! |
| 12:37.56 | MiXu- | Corsac: It isn't. My app requires it to run. |
| 12:37.58 | SpeedEvil | If you write a sybian Qt app - how muh porting is there to put it on n900? |
| 12:38.18 | MiXu- | Depends on the UI |
| 12:38.41 | MiXu- | Or no. It should scale up just fine. |
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| 12:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | moin SpeedEvil |
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| 12:39.39 | frals | noobmonk3y: not much else to do here in hel! |
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| 12:39.53 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
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| 12:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke indexer & thumbnailer |
| 12:40.34 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at indexer & thumbnailer ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 12:40.55 | MohammadAG | just nuke tracker |
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| 12:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | product of a schizoid wino on crack |
| 12:42.50 | crashanddie_ | holy fucking shit |
| 12:43.00 | crashanddie_ | they're opening up a human dead body, live on australian television |
| 12:43.12 | crashanddie_ | they're actually removing the spinal chord as we speak |
| 12:43.33 | chem|st | crashanddie_: record it pls |
| 12:43.37 | crashanddie_ | in a hotel mate |
| 12:43.38 | auenf | Poll: Problems with N900 USB port becoming broken / loose and resulting warranty & repair issues 1,337 replies |
| 12:43.40 | auenf | bam? |
| 12:43.50 | crashanddie_ | and obviously it's a german doctor |
| 12:43.50 | Stskeeps | meh, our christmas lunches at my previous work had hip surgery videos as entertainment |
| 12:43.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:43.57 | Lynoure | crashanddie_: it's called autopsy. and it's not shockingly new invention =) Unless they use N900 do do it. |
| 12:44.11 | crashanddie_ | Lynoure: the body is held upright by the head |
| 12:44.16 | crashanddie_ | Lynoure: and skinned |
| 12:44.16 | SpeedEvil | auenf: A lot of that is really random crap - not people reporting 'my n900 broke' |
| 12:44.25 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: and alive? |
| 12:44.36 | auenf | crashanddie_, its a repeat |
| 12:44.40 | crashanddie_ | probably |
| 12:44.47 | auenf | Anatomy for Beginners (Movement) |
| 12:44.54 | auenf | Professor Gunther von Hagens performs dissections on real human bodies, laying bare the intricacy of human design. During each episode, von Hagens focuses on a different set of anatomical systems: movement, circulation, digestion and reproduction. In this episode, he dissects a man to explain how the human body moves in great detail. | Documentary, Medical, Documentaries, ScienceNatureTechnology | Repeat | MA n, MA |
| 12:45.06 | SpeedEvil | auenf: it's preople asking - every page - 'how many n900s have this problem' and stating 'the n900 sucks', and ... |
| 12:45.24 | crashanddie_ | auenf: watching it? |
| 12:45.28 | auenf | SpeedEvil, i know the thread, its 1337 repies of crap |
| 12:45.37 | auenf | just noticed the number ;) |
| 12:45.41 | SpeedEvil | auenf: oh |
| 12:45.45 | SpeedEvil | auenf: I missed that. |
| 12:45.53 | auenf | crashanddie_, its a repeat, no need to see it again |
| 12:45.53 | MohammadAG | 1337? xD |
| 12:46.10 | chem|st | MohammadAG: aware of ;) |
| 12:46.11 | SpeedEvil | auenf: I thought you were just commenting ont he apparant unreliuability from over 1000 comments |
| 12:46.33 | auenf | the unreliability of the maemo forums, yes, not the device |
| 12:47.33 | chem|st | that guy did the body worlds exhebitions |
| 12:47.52 | RST38h | imported Chinese corpses for his "art"... |
| 12:48.11 | chem|st | RST38h: its not art its science |
| 12:48.23 | Scelt | http://www.anand-topalov.com/en/live.html |
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| 12:50.03 | frals | fuckin hell my flight not on the board yet |
| 12:50.18 | frals | time to lose the shirt i think |
| 12:50.33 | jcrawford | sorry back |
| 12:50.36 | tybollt | frals: where you at? |
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| 12:51.08 | frals | hel vantta |
| 12:51.10 | crashanddie_ | frals: I spent 17 hours waiting in an airport last time |
| 12:51.22 | jcrawford | time to get to work, be back later :) |
| 12:51.32 | MiXu- | Hmm. The new Qt Simulator is total crap. |
| 12:51.39 | lcuk | frals you will be arrested if you start stripping off lol |
| 12:51.39 | crashanddie_ | frals: after a 26 hour flight around the world |
| 12:52.00 | frals | lol lcuk you speak from experience i recon |
| 12:52.12 | MiXu- | In the simulator my app doesn't look anything like it looks like on the N900. |
| 12:52.16 | frals | crashanddie_: sounds... >< |
| 12:52.19 | lcuk | lol frals yup |
| 12:52.25 | frals | lol |
| 12:52.30 | crashanddie_ | frals: he was in need of bacon |
| 12:52.39 | crashanddie_ | frals: showing his fat wasn't an option though |
| 12:52.43 | frals | :D |
| 12:52.51 | lcuk | crashanddie_, did they let you take the handcuffs off? |
| 12:53.05 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: nha, i'm tongue-typing |
| 12:53.14 | frals | first battery down to 20ish percent hmm |
| 12:53.25 | crashanddie_ | it's weird because for the first few days you taste all the residue in the keyboard |
| 12:53.32 | frals | should get the other one from the bag probably |
| 12:53.32 | crashanddie_ | but after a while you can get pretty good at it |
| 12:53.42 | mece | MiXu-, it didn't work on this computer. Some profile errors. It's a mess :/ |
| 12:53.56 | lcuk | hot swap batteries gunclip style would be beneficial |
| 12:54.09 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I suggested that :P |
| 12:54.16 | MohammadAG | then mod a bullet belt |
| 12:54.21 | MohammadAG | and attach it |
| 12:54.25 | MiXu- | they should've just left the simulator out completely |
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| 12:54.32 | MohammadAG | make it vibrate on each battery changed |
| 12:54.35 | lcuk | mms brings on new meaning |
| 12:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | jcrawford: god to have you around here |
| 12:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | good even |
| 12:54.44 | lcuk | multimedia by munitions service |
| 12:54.58 | tybollt | frals: so there's still that clous BS then? |
| 12:55.43 | tybollt | frals: I don't get it (I just got home by bus, last wednesday) I thought the flights were bussiness as usual? |
| 12:56.04 | frals | they are |
| 12:56.11 | frals | im just early :D |
| 12:56.46 | MohammadAG | who's working on live wallpapers here? |
| 12:56.54 | MohammadAG | has a suggestion :P |
| 12:57.17 | MohammadAG | instead of moving desktops, move widgets, that way the wallpapers run on all 4 "desktops" |
| 12:57.23 | jcrawford | thanks' |
| 12:57.55 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: live wallpapers should work on all desktops. |
| 12:57.56 | mece | MohammadAG, lcuk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSLaggKfkks |
| 12:58.02 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Should not be limited to just one. |
| 12:58.09 | mece | in the movie genre retarded-awesome |
| 12:58.15 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, my suggestion saves battery life |
| 12:58.23 | MohammadAG | instead of running 4 live wallpapers |
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| 12:58.32 | MohammadAG | it's one, for all 4 widget screens |
| 12:58.35 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Nah, everything that is not in sight, is not running. |
| 12:59.15 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, and how would they time them to run without any frame drops while swiping :) |
| 12:59.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1231587/ |
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| 13:00.34 | lcuk | o_O eye tracking, only turn o nthe screen if people are looking at it :D |
| 13:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is a live wallpaper? they didn't kill the trees before gluing them to the wall? |
| 13:01.22 | lcuk | active content on the background layer of desktops |
| 13:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | eeek |
| 13:01.36 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: you mean porn. |
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| 13:01.48 | lcuk | but active may simply be "change wallpaper every 4 hours" |
| 13:01.50 | MiXu- | Live wallpaper has got to be the most useless feature ever. |
| 13:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | you bet |
| 13:02.06 | tybollt | bets |
| 13:02.14 | tybollt | what am I betting on doc? |
| 13:02.26 | lirakis | MiXu- only if its useless wallpaper |
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| 13:02.28 | MohammadAG | mece, seriously? lol |
| 13:02.36 | lcuk | many things in life are folly :) |
| 13:02.38 | MiXu- | What would be a useful wallpaper then? :D |
| 13:02.39 | lirakis | MiXu- if there was a live map that always update your position |
| 13:02.42 | lirakis | ... that would be sweet |
| 13:02.52 | DocScrutinizer | on maximum uselessness always making it on the top |
| 13:03.00 | lirakis | i live in NYC ... that would be a really nice feature to have.... |
| 13:03.17 | lirakis | i know there is a map widget ... but goes to sleep.... and doesnt update unless you tell it to |
| 13:03.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it can be helpful |
| 13:03.18 | lcuk | lirakis, until the widgets ontop cover your street and you get annoyed :p |
| 13:03.23 | MiXu- | That would be useful, yes. But that would mean you'd be able to use the device for 2 hours instead of 4. |
| 13:03.30 | lirakis | lcuk ... for quick reference |
| 13:03.36 | MohammadAG | sets an exam presentation as a live wallpaper |
| 13:03.37 | lcuk | MiXu-, its not forced |
| 13:03.39 | lirakis | MiXu-, if you used coarse location? |
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| 13:03.54 | lcuk | some people sit with devices plugged in and WANT to run supreme quick idle time things |
| 13:04.06 | MiXu- | lirakis: Hmm. Good point. |
| 13:04.08 | mece | MohammadAG, I was thinking reloading batteries. :) |
| 13:04.16 | MiXu- | It would still have to update quite frequently to be useful |
| 13:04.19 | lcuk | lirakis, of course |
| 13:04.27 | MohammadAG | mece, still, seriously? lol |
| 13:04.29 | lirakis | MiXu-, yeah .. every 5 min. or some thing |
| 13:04.33 | MiXu- | yes |
| 13:04.43 | lirakis | i mean.. ive seen it on the nexus one - its pretty sweet |
| 13:04.48 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: I did a 0th cut of that - but I accidentally deelted the script |
| 13:04.51 | mece | MohammadAG, err. no. not seriously. Your gunbelt of batteries talk just reminded me of that. |
| 13:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | ooh f*********ck |
| 13:05.16 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: starting maemo mapper brings up the GPS |
| 13:05.21 | MiXu- | Might be an idea worth developing |
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| 13:05.35 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: then you kill it a little bit later, and read the current possition from gcong |
| 13:05.36 | SpeedEvil | f |
| 13:05.51 | SpeedEvil | getting a couple of tiles from openstreetmap is then quite easy |
| 13:05.53 | lirakis | I do wish there was a good google maps app.... its really, almost pointless to work with ovi ... they are light years behind |
| 13:05.54 | mece | DocScrutinizer, what the f********ck is up? |
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| 13:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | almost as cute as a torchlight app creating a white screen with the help of 42MB libliq |
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| 13:06.31 | MiXu- | lol |
| 13:06.34 | lcuk | oi! |
| 13:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | live wallpapers :-( |
| 13:06.40 | lcuk | i reduced the size, its 41mb now |
| 13:06.42 | MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: Well said :D |
| 13:06.46 | mece | LOOOOL |
| 13:07.05 | wazd | DocScrutinizer: what's wrong with them? |
| 13:07.19 | lirakis | lcuk the widget would be for quick reference, and basically keeping your location up to date - so if you tapped on it, it would load the "real" maps app with your location already populated -hopefully making it start quite quickly since it doesnt have to get a lock |
| 13:07.40 | MohammadAG | wazd, he hates live trees |
| 13:08.05 | wazd | MohammadAG: ah, never mind then :D |
| 13:08.08 | lcuk | lirakis, then that already exists as a widget tho? as a live background sure its feasible tho |
| 13:08.14 | lirakis | basically... if the current maps widget could go full screen on the lowest layer and not sleep.. |
| 13:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | 'while true; do $(( 331 / 113 )); done -> teawarmer app (much better than live wallpaper) |
| 13:09.02 | lcuk | DocScrooge - should we make you a pipe and slippers app? :D |
| 13:09.02 | mece | hee |
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| 13:09.19 | lcuk | (wouldnt be too bad actually) |
| 13:09.28 | mece | DocScrutinizer, I'm so packaging that and putting that in extras devel. |
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| 13:09.40 | cityLights | hi all , can I limit the size the RSS client consumes in the N900? |
| 13:09.54 | cityLights | so it will remove old RSS to make room for new? |
| 13:09.55 | mece | DocScrutinizer, reqrite it so that is requires libliq too :) |
| 13:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | mece: don't forget proper credit ;-P |
| 13:10.57 | mece | Actually, I have an even better idea. I create a random 300 or so Mb file and parse something from that. That way the download size is also epic. |
| 13:11.29 | SpeedEvil | lirakis: that would use a ridiculous amount of power |
| 13:11.40 | lirakis | SpeedEvil: again.. with coarse navigation? |
| 13:11.43 | SpeedEvil | lirakis: you need to poll every few mins |
| 13:11.46 | lirakis | my g1 can do it |
| 13:11.51 | lirakis | not wallpaper ... |
| 13:11.59 | lirakis | but i can leave maps open |
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| 13:12.11 | SpeedEvil | Lira: how often does it update? |
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| 13:12.42 | SpeedEvil | lirakis: polling every 60s - or when movement is sensed - isn't horribly hard |
| 13:12.57 | lirakis | SpeedEvil, not 100% sure, but it seems to look like its polling all the time |
| 13:13.44 | lcuk | hahahahahaha @sjgadsby frals Nothing for 4.5 hours? C'mon, you can crank out a good six or seven new releases of fMMS in that block of time! |
| 13:13.57 | X-Fade | hehe |
| 13:13.58 | SpeedEvil | Some of it involves stuff the modem does. |
| 13:14.05 | lirakis | SpeedEvil, I wish that was built into maemo actually ... a location updater with a system setting that you could specify the frequency of updating coarse, and fine locations |
| 13:14.21 | SpeedEvil | lirakis: this is not controlled by maemo. the phone runs the GPS - which is in some ways annoying |
| 13:14.21 | tybollt | !¤)%("#)=¤)#¤ |
| 13:14.24 | lirakis | So that all apps could just reference the system |
| 13:14.36 | tybollt | "hildon-home is not responding - do you want to close the application" |
| 13:14.43 | SpeedEvil | yes! |
| 13:14.47 | tybollt | what - the - flying - fuck? |
| 13:14.53 | Khertan | yes ! |
| 13:14.54 | MohammadAG | widgets |
| 13:14.54 | tybollt | I never had that before? |
| 13:14.56 | SpeedEvil | hildon-home is the window manager basicallt? |
| 13:15.01 | MohammadAG | err no |
| 13:15.06 | MohammadAG | that's -desktop |
| 13:15.09 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:15.11 | tybollt | yeah |
| 13:15.13 | tybollt | the desktop |
| 13:15.19 | tybollt | but seriously |
| 13:15.23 | tybollt | what the hell |
| 13:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | moans at lirakis |
| 13:15.40 | tybollt | only widget installed == om weather |
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| 13:15.52 | frals | so appearently the security personel didnt appreciate me forgetting my bottle of water in my bag |
| 13:15.53 | tybollt | (yes, I didnät have this problem until I installed omweather today!) |
| 13:16.04 | tybollt | frals: dude |
| 13:16.06 | lirakis | yeah ... having had a G1 and nexus one, maps and location are the biggest wins android has over the n900. |
| 13:16.11 | tybollt | frals: that's is no kidding |
| 13:16.23 | lcuk | o_O frals the security person who passed me through gave me a withering look as i forgot it and then laughed :D |
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| 13:16.47 | lcuk | .helsinki was bad for security tho |
| 13:16.53 | lcuk | having to take big heavy boots off |
| 13:16.54 | frals | they said something which sounded v. rude in finnish first |
| 13:16.59 | lcuk | im surprised the guards didnt have gasmasks |
| 13:17.05 | tybollt | in egypt In egypt two weeks ago it was more like "Got water bottle? I got AK47, you wanna try me?" |
| 13:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API |
| 13:17.23 | frals | when i answered in english they were like "do you have a bottle in there" and i go "opsi, yeah just water, you can have it no worries" |
| 13:17.28 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: the water bottle thing is ridiculous |
| 13:17.43 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: especially given that if you're motivated, you could conceal one. |
| 13:17.45 | frals | she realised i wasnt a bomber i think because after that i got to go :p |
| 13:17.49 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, checking it out |
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| 13:17.54 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: Sir, I do not fuck around w/ an egyptian dude pointing an AK47 at me :-) |
| 13:17.56 | Anss| | lolcation api? |
| 13:18.07 | Anss| | err.. i mean... |
| 13:18.15 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: but yes - I entirely agree w/ you. |
| 13:18.26 | lirakis | its kinda wonky that the core is c and the qt is c++ (shrug) |
| 13:18.53 | frals | also, easy to spot the swedes here |
| 13:19.04 | frals | everyone one with a sony ericsson phone has been speaking swedish :D |
| 13:20.06 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, so i see it "Shares" fixes via a signal - but is there any way to specify update increments? |
| 13:20.18 | lirakis | oops |
| 13:20.24 | lirakis | just needed to keep reading |
| 13:20.28 | lirakis | ... one momnet :P |
| 13:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | yessir |
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| 13:22.43 | lirakis | So, there is no built in location daemon in the system ? |
| 13:23.10 | SpeedEvil | lirakis: yes - it's location proxy - and it shares it by dbus |
| 13:23.30 | SpeedEvil | lirakis: this talks to the cellphone - which runs the GPS |
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| 13:24.03 | lirakis | SpeedEvil, so... why on earth does OVI maps take so long to start up and get a fix? |
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| 13:25.06 | lirakis | and why on earth does it insist on using gps when i have gps disabled in my system settings |
| 13:25.43 | SpeedEvil | lirakis: GPS disabled? |
| 13:25.44 | SpeedEvil | why? |
| 13:26.05 | lirakis | SpeedEvil, b/c i live in NYC and i can never get a gps fix |
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| 13:26.13 | lirakis | ... or rather.. i can rarely |
| 13:26.22 | SpeedEvil | have you tried? |
| 13:26.27 | lirakis | ummm.. yeah |
| 13:26.31 | SpeedEvil | It will get a fix much more easily once it has once |
| 13:26.47 | lirakis | just now i have started ovi maps (well .. 1min30sec. ago) |
| 13:26.55 | tybollt | so you want to get a GPS fix in ovi maps - with the gps turned off? You have an external GPS then? |
| 13:27.05 | lirakis | and its still hasnt gotten a "my location" |
| 13:27.18 | lirakis | tybollt no .. i want ovi to use coordinates provided by coarse location |
| 13:27.24 | SpeedEvil | network positioning isn't that great |
| 13:27.44 | lirakis | SpeedEvil, dude thats not the point |
| 13:27.50 | lirakis | its a lot better than nothing |
| 13:27.53 | Anss| | works for google maps |
| 13:27.54 | tybollt | yes it is pretty piss poor telling from my experimenting w/ googlers |
| 13:27.56 | lirakis | and nothing is waht i get with gps |
| 13:28.08 | tybollt | anssi: define 'works' :) |
| 13:28.10 | lirakis | tybollt i have a g1 and it works fantastic in nyc |
| 13:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: there's a flaw in GPS stored data handling that renders GPS quite useless without assistence over internet |
| 13:28.16 | Anss| | it is faster to have |
| 13:28.17 | lirakis | i get pretty close to 1 block accuracy |
| 13:28.40 | lirakis | i want to get out of a subway... start up maps and have it read a coarse location in 5 seconds and show me where the heck i am |
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| 13:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | works here, with GPRS/3G |
| 13:29.15 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer what works? |
| 13:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | for the A-part in AGPS |
| 13:29.16 | lcuk | lirakis, personally i want location whilst still in subway ;) |
| 13:29.17 | Anss| | lirakis, handy after drinking, day after ;) |
| 13:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: getting first fix in 10 seconds |
| 13:30.13 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, assisted gps = coarse (cell location) ? |
| 13:30.21 | SpeedEvil | For me cell positioning is ~3km off usually |
| 13:30.26 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, healthcheck gets course gps fix in about 10nanoseconds doesnt it? |
| 13:30.28 | lirakis | ACWP ? |
| 13:31.01 | lirakis | SpeedEvil, .. well i live in manhattan where ... its accurate to a few hundred feet, and gps doesnt work in any part of midtown |
| 13:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: Assistance is a couple of different measures called 'A', usually it means to get a coarse position by other means plus the ephem&alm data over internet rather than over sat |
| 13:31.29 | tybollt | lirakis: that's funny, why dun GPS work? |
| 13:31.41 | lcuk | big building fsck with locks |
| 13:31.41 | tybollt | lirakis: all the tall buildings? |
| 13:31.44 | Anss| | cell accuracy depends of the shade areas, it is just triangular calculation. |
| 13:31.45 | lirakis | tybollt, lots of really tall buildings |
| 13:31.50 | zaheerm | a few hundred storey buildings means you can't even see the sky |
| 13:31.50 | tybollt | ja |
| 13:32.04 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, i have 3 g and data |
| 13:32.19 | lirakis | currently ... 3.5 g |
| 13:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: the coarse position needs an accuracy of ~ a few 100km, to give GPS an idea which sats are in vicinity |
| 13:32.36 | lirakis | starting maps now |
| 13:32.50 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, im saying i dont want to use any gps |
| 13:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | so why do you use it then? |
| 13:33.16 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, blarhg! |
| 13:33.18 | SpeedEvil | lirakis: have you tried the gps? And made sure it doesn't in fact get a lock - outside? |
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| 13:33.31 | SpeedEvil | (with cell assistance turned on) |
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| 13:33.41 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, i cant get gps signal ... yes .. i have tried. |
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| 13:34.01 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, on my old POS blacberry 8700 i could go to maps and it would use cell triangualtion to show me where i am |
| 13:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: I really don't get it what's your issue then? want GPS without GPS, or what? |
| 13:34.36 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, do you consider cellular positioning gps? |
| 13:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: there's NO SUCH THING like cell triangulation |
| 13:35.06 | lcuk | sure there is, they use it in CSI all the time |
| 13:35.06 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, android phones, and my old blackberry (which did not even have gps) are able to give me my location |
| 13:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: mompls |
| 13:35.52 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer triangulation was a silly description ... "device is located based on cellular base station to which device is registered" |
| 13:36.09 | lirakis | "Assisted Complementary Wireless Positioning:" |
| 13:36.17 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: yes appx |
| 13:36.25 | lirakis | i want to use that ... ONLY to get a general idea of were the F i am |
| 13:36.29 | lcuk | lirakis, install HealthCheck |
| 13:36.30 | noobmonk3y | the course one is within 2km ish |
| 13:36.37 | lcuk | just see how it does for getting rough position |
| 13:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: I won't repeat myself. Take a pointer instead : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 13:36.50 | noobmonk3y | tested it across the Uk and for me has always been within 500m |
| 13:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: you're probably talking about http://www.skyhookwireless.com/ |
| 13:37.51 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer so what ? are you saying that is not a valid method of providing location? |
| 13:37.59 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, NO I AM NOT |
| 13:38.15 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, have you used a G1 ? |
| 13:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | no such crap here |
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| 13:38.41 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it the positioning the G1 gets is fed to it by the network |
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| 13:38.50 | fragment | lirakis: afaik there is a bug in the current version. you need to have a data connection open or it is nearly impossible to get a fix |
| 13:38.52 | SpeedEvil | As a service. |
| 13:39.02 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, well "such crap" does a far better job at providing location. and it does it without any gps |
| 13:39.12 | lirakis | fragment, i have a data connection |
| 13:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | fragment: I mentione4d that before |
| 13:39.19 | fragment | oh ok |
| 13:39.19 | MohammadAG | when you buy an android, you sell your soul to google |
| 13:39.20 | SpeedEvil | So, without the cooperation of the network - you can't get that sort of fix. |
| 13:39.29 | lirakis | MohammadAG, i had a G1 before the n900 came out |
| 13:39.33 | lirakis | ... now i have an n900 |
| 13:39.38 | lirakis | i had an n810 before my g1 |
| 13:39.43 | MohammadAG | ok... |
| 13:40.14 | lirakis | all im saying is OVI maps, and the n900 are so freakin stone age as far as maps and location goes its disturbing |
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| 13:40.34 | lirakis | not being able to start up a maps app and have an INSTANT fix ... is silly |
| 13:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | worksforme |
| 13:40.46 | MohammadAG | no device gets an instant fix |
| 13:40.49 | MohammadAG | without s |
| 13:40.50 | frals | lol |
| 13:40.52 | lirakis | instant meaning 2/3 seconds or less |
| 13:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | etx |
| 13:40.54 | MohammadAG | a data connection |
| 13:40.57 | ccooke | MohammadAG: it's entirely possible to buy an android phone and not sell your soul to google... my previous phone was an htc magic, and I'm not ruling out buying an android device in the next few months (quite possibly a tablet...) |
| 13:41.19 | MohammadAG | ccooke, they do everything w/o asking you |
| 13:41.31 | MohammadAG | sadly sony's pulling the same stunt on the ps3 |
| 13:41.46 | andre__ | lirakis, in that case you should probably also always have some satellites with you when you want to use the N900's GPS? which existing device can get a fix in 3secs? |
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| 13:41.55 | ccooke | MohammadAG: "Everything" in this case being...? |
| 13:42.01 | MohammadAG | updates |
| 13:42.07 | MohammadAG | location gathering |
| 13:42.08 | MohammadAG | etc... |
| 13:42.10 | lirakis | andre__ the g1 |
| 13:42.17 | MohammadAG | read the privacy policy :) |
| 13:42.18 | lirakis | andre__ using cell bassed location |
| 13:42.18 | chem|st | ccooke: what you are suffering from is called 'stockholm syndrome' |
| 13:42.19 | rlinfati | Hi, how i can create a custom emmc image ? |
| 13:42.23 | nid0 | lirakis: dunno about you, but maps gives me a coarse position within about 3 seconds of loading |
| 13:42.27 | andre__ | hmm. I should borrow the G1 from a friend again it seems then :) |
| 13:42.35 | ccooke | MohammadAG: ... er... all of those explicitly requited consent when *I* was using the phone. |
| 13:42.48 | lirakis | nid0, ill try rebooting this thing ... its not giving me !@#$^ |
| 13:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis: please get your facts sorted before messing up the channel here |
| 13:43.06 | ccooke | chem|st: ... okay, now I have to laugh at you :-) |
| 13:43.06 | MohammadAG | ccooke, how did the droid fix itself? |
| 13:43.21 | MohammadAG | chrome looks different on my laptop each day/week/month |
| 13:43.33 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer, i dont think you can discount properties of a device you have never used |
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| 13:43.49 | ccooke | MohammadAG: I have no idea what you mean by it fixing itself? |
| 13:43.50 | zaheerm | has a g1 also |
| 13:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | I CAN! |
| 13:44.01 | zaheerm | and n900 gets a fix quicker than g1 |
| 13:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | you NEVER get a GPS fix in 2 sec |
| 13:44.09 | chem|st | ccooke: at me? I am not trolling around here stating facts that are proof of missing intelligence |
| 13:44.12 | MohammadAG | ccooke, idk, read about it on engadget |
| 13:44.16 | lirakis | DocScrutinizer holy crap dude |
| 13:44.20 | lirakis | i dont want to use gps |
| 13:44.26 | lirakis | how many times do i have to say that |
| 13:44.28 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: technically, that is not what he requested |
| 13:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | so please STFU |
| 13:44.37 | MohammadAG | gets a lock in 10-15 seconds, with AGPS |
| 13:44.37 | Anss| | cell based location was some years ago forbidden due terrorist threat afaik |
| 13:44.41 | MohammadAG | possibly 30 |
| 13:44.50 | MohammadAG | the other 15 are part of maps loading |
| 13:45.10 | achipa | there could be tricks to improve lock speeds |
| 13:45.11 | ccooke | chem|st: ... so... stating that you don't "sell your soul to google" just because you buy an android phone is... trolling, and proof of missing intelligence? |
| 13:45.18 | tybollt | the problem is when you're abroad |
| 13:45.21 | chem|st | ccooke: but if I have to choose who to sell my soul to and would be forced to pick government or google I would pick google |
| 13:45.25 | tybollt | then using AGPS is too expensive |
| 13:45.42 | achipa | of course, all of them cheating, but still |
| 13:45.48 | lirakis | rebooting phone to see how it works after taht |
| 13:45.54 | ccooke | chem|st: now, if I were to want to put an *entirely unjustified* label onto you, I'd be very happy to label you a victim of Amiga Persecution Syndrome :-) |
| 13:45.59 | chem|st | ccooke: I meant laugh at someone else who does |
| 13:46.13 | tybollt | chem|st: there are rules as to what govt can do w/ your soul. There are no rules for what googles can do w/ it. |
| 13:46.26 | Corsac | ha there, I remember my intent bug report. It's annoying that you can't say âdon't try to connect *any* data connectionâ |
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| 13:47.01 | chem|st | tybollt: true but the government bends the rules... with google I at least know what will run over me |
| 13:47.15 | lirakis | so i rebooted ... started ovi (gps is disabled) and it says downloading data/looking for gps |
| 13:47.43 | chem|st | ccooke: never had an amiga... |
| 13:47.43 | ShadowJK | ovi maps isn't useful for obtaining gps fix, especially not without agps |
| 13:47.45 | frals | (not read all backlog, but someone is expecting a gps fix without using gps?) |
| 13:47.51 | ccooke | There are laws about what Google can do, too. For a start, the UK and Europe have strong data protection laws. |
| 13:47.57 | lirakis | i get no little red dot that shows me "my location" |
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| 13:48.33 | tybollt | chem|st: that google will run you over, break, turn, run you over again, ad inifinitum |
| 13:48.54 | chem|st | frals: I think so... I will try to once I figure out how it works... |
| 13:49.22 | frals | interesting concept to say the least |
| 13:49.27 | lirakis | tybollt, yeah .. i ditched the g1 when they stopped commiting kernel chanegs |
| 13:49.30 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: also - some GPSs can indeed lock in 2s. Not cold - but warm. |
| 13:49.43 | chem|st | tybollt: yes, with the gov I expect the leave me running with a tracking device and a hidden cam in my eye |
| 13:49.46 | tybollt | lirakis: why did they? |
| 13:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: we're talking bout TTFF though |
| 13:49.59 | ccooke | chem|st: An amusing label attached to a bunch of Amiga fans (but could also have been used on some of the OS/2 diehards, who believed that it must have been a *conspiracy* that killed off their beloved platform |
| 13:50.18 | chem|st | ccooke: nice ;) |
| 13:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | and 10..15s for TTFF is roundabout as good as it gets |
| 13:50.31 | achipa | SpeedEvil: it's all the question of how much do you want to cheat with GPS data. Like turning it on once in a while to have your almanach up to date or avoiding the fix to get cold |
| 13:50.38 | ccooke | chem|st: and not, say (in the case of Amiga), Commodore being utterly shite at marketing and the prevalence of pirate games :-) |
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| 13:50.47 | lirakis | tybollt, i think they just maintain their own repository instead of keeping a branch on the kernel tree |
| 13:51.00 | Anss| | ccooke, i think it was just *piracy that killed beloved amiga :) |
| 13:51.23 | ccooke | Anss|: certainly it was the murder weapon ;-) |
| 13:51.27 | chem|st | ccooke: I love those iFans, keep me smiling :) |
| 13:51.35 | ShadowJK | should go outside and see how fast he gets a fix with N900 and no network connectivity |
| 13:51.36 | hrw | Anss|: there was few more reasons |
| 13:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: yes, or use A |
| 13:52.07 | lirakis | any how .. the n900 is definitely not as polished, and i question nokia with the meego thing... im willing to make sacrifices to keep "open" but... you know.. some stuff bugs me... thats all |
| 13:52.09 | ccooke | Anss|: but Commodore's complete... lack of an ability to deal with the market was a big part of it, really. |
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| 13:52.37 | chem|st | ShadowJK: should I try right now? in office? my last fix was about 60km away from here... |
| 13:52.41 | achipa | also, a trick would be to presume last fix, or, even simpler, to start GPS *before* Ovi maps starts loading |
| 13:53.01 | Anss| | ...and they did not put fpu/mmu to a1200 |
| 13:53.03 | achipa | usually I get a fix when I want to geotag in less time than it takes Ovi maps to start up |
| 13:53.22 | chem|st | ShadowJK: maps starting |
| 13:53.24 | ShadowJK | The description of the "Network Positioning" makes it sound like it needs to either have the location in cache, or be able to talk to a server to ask "where abouts is CellID 0xAECD?" |
| 13:53.40 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't try it indoors even with agps ;P |
| 13:54.01 | ccooke | To be more serious: In every case of private information passing from me to google on the Android phone, there was a clear statement of the terms and conditions that I had to accept for the service. Some of those I accepted, some I didn't, but the choice was always there. |
| 13:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | btw alm / ephem (one of both) not needed with really decent GPS chips with a _huge_ number of corellators to scan all possible sats on all possible trajectories same time concurrently. This is what'll give you TTFF of 15s without A |
| 13:54.49 | ccooke | I tend not to mind giving away private information in exchange for something, as long as what I receive is valuable. Possibly this is because I know I have a legal recourse, should I decide to withdraw my consent. |
| 13:54.58 | chem|st | ShadowJK: it downloads the current cache from a stationary gps near by |
| 13:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | as each sat sends it's own orbit data every few seconds |
| 13:55.10 | ShadowJK | wtf @ "stationary gps" |
| 13:55.32 | chem|st | ShadowJK: I had it working without networkconnection last time I checked, right from my desk |
| 13:55.50 | ShadowJK | I guess you were lucky :P |
| 13:55.57 | lcuk | chem|st, do you commute to ISS or just resident there? |
| 13:56.12 | ShadowJK | Or the N900 GPS is really really good getting unassisted fix inside buildings... |
| 13:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | so: scan 512000 possible 'channels' concurrently, download actual position and vector off of 3 of them -> fix in 15sec |
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| 13:56.45 | chem|st | lcuk: still eating my liquid pancakes.... |
| 13:56.47 | ccooke | ShadowJK: it's not bad, you know. Better than most phone gps units I've used, I have to say |
| 13:56.48 | hrw | cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 is fremantle compiler? |
| 13:57.06 | X-Fade | hrw: yes |
| 13:57.35 | ccooke | I remember it was getting the right building almost all the time at wessergasfabrik, which my HTC magic couldn't do at all |
| 13:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | then download athmospheric correction data during next 5 minutes and get a *accurate* fix after 5 min |
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| 13:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm sure there are real cracks for GPS here in this chan, relative noob speaking here |
| 13:59.33 | Corsac | the test location gui is really nice to investigate GPS issues |
| 13:59.45 | tybollt | doc: cracks for GPS? |
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| 14:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: please check http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API -- the last good fix is cached in liblocation |
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| 14:01.44 | smhar | I tested an N900 in a phone shop today and noticed that many things -in the software- are very basic for a smart phone, even and entry level one. for instance there are only 2 profiles, silent and general?! did I miss something? |
| 14:01.47 | hrw | ~curse sbox |
| 14:01.48 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, sbox ! |
| 14:03.01 | MiXu- | smhar: No you didn't. There are only two. |
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| 14:03.01 | nid0 | the main thing you missed is that the n900 is a tablet with really basic phone functionality |
| 14:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: yes, you missed it's not a smartphone. And you missed e.g. tweakr adding profiles |
| 14:03.01 | nid0 | the second thing you missed is the tweakr application that lets you add more profiles |
| 14:03.01 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: or profilesx |
| 14:03.01 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: my last fix is 9 days about 60km from here... |
| 14:03.02 | chem|st | so it might take up to 12 min |
| 14:03.05 | MiXu- | I hate to say it, but tweakr profile adding sucks monkey balls. |
| 14:03.06 | ccooke | nid0: I disagree, actually. It's the nicest touchscreen phone I've used - and yes, that includes several of the obvious ones. |
| 14:03.08 | hrw | smhar: if you want a phone - avoid n900 |
| 14:03.10 | MiXu- | Unless it's changed lately. |
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| 14:03.35 | nid0 | purely as a phone, i'd choose pretty much any phone over an n900 |
| 14:03.36 | chem|st | we will see... the maps app stopped looking again so I stopped and turned the location testing stuff on with gps only |
| 14:03.38 | hrw | smhar: it you want expensive toy with glued phone then consider n900 |
| 14:03.50 | chem|st | fix |
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| 14:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: see ? :-) |
| 14:04.20 | chem|st | see what? |
| 14:04.32 | MiXu- | I can live with two profiles. |
| 14:04.39 | ShadowJK | that was fast for just gps |
| 14:05.01 | chem|st | that was now about 8-9 minutes and that is fair enough |
| 14:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | Agps I suppose |
| 14:05.17 | chem|st | ShadowJK: well fast it might take up to 12 minutes but not longer |
| 14:05.21 | X-Fade | hrw: Did you activate your newly created target? |
| 14:05.24 | ShadowJK | You know the menus for the "profiles" stuff on my previous "smart phones" have been so confusing I've essentially only used "silent" and "not silent" before anyway :/ |
| 14:05.55 | hrw | X-Fade: I edited existing not created new one |
| 14:06.10 | hrw | X-Fade: and after edit I landed in it |
| 14:06.16 | chem|st | I have now 7 satelites at view and 4-5 in use |
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| 14:06.17 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, LOL same here |
| 14:06.20 | ccooke | ShadowJK: I've found the bother of switching profile so annoying I only used the switch to silent, too |
| 14:06.23 | hrw | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/pkg/my-extras/mdbus2-2.0.0] > which dpkg |
| 14:06.23 | hrw | /scratchbox/devkits/debian-squeeze/bin/dpkg |
| 14:06.24 | MiXu- | I'd like to have an easy way to adjust the loudness of ringtones. That's all I'd need. |
| 14:06.30 | hrw | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/pkg/my-extras/mdbus2-2.0.0] > dpkg --version |
| 14:06.30 | hrw | Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.15.5.2 (i386). |
| 14:06.52 | chem|st | ShadowJK: MohammadAG I second that |
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| 14:07.14 | chem|st | my sony had a hotbutton to switch silent and current... |
| 14:07.29 | X-Fade | hrw: and no gcc? |
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| 14:07.32 | MohammadAG | i only used general silent and vibra |
| 14:07.37 | smhar | hrw, ouch |
| 14:07.40 | hrw | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/pkg/my-extras/mdbus2-2.0.0] > gcc --version |
| 14:07.41 | hrw | sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.2.1 |
| 14:07.43 | MohammadAG | the N900 has a tickbox for vibra so... |
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| 14:07.57 | MiXu- | The thing about Tweakr profiles that bothered me was that it essentially adds complexity to managing profiles. |
| 14:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | TTFF after reflashing (virgin fix): ~30sec indoors |
| 14:08.01 | ccooke | I mean, what are the *serious* features missing on the n900? MMS is controversial, but a goodly portion of people have said they don't need it. Voice dialing is... situational dependant, at best. Anything else? |
| 14:08.11 | hrw | smhar: if you want a nokia phone - grab anything with S40 |
| 14:08.16 | MiXu- | instead of two places to change profiles, there are three after installing tweakr |
| 14:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~50m jumpy |
| 14:08.29 | chem|st | ccooke: mms is available |
| 14:08.33 | ag0ny | ccooke: RSap...definately! |
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| 14:08.38 | hrw | ccooke: video call, voice dial, one hand portrait |
| 14:08.43 | ccooke | (I mean, I've been assuming there must *be* missing features, but never been quite sure what they meant) |
| 14:08.50 | ccooke | chem|st: I mentioned that :-) |
| 14:08.53 | MiXu- | ccooke: SyncML is missing natively, but there's an app for it. |
| 14:08.55 | hrw | ccooke: working calendar etc |
| 14:09.11 | chem|st | voice dialing isnt missing for me, no phone did like I wanted it to do so screw voice dialing |
| 14:09.19 | ccooke | video call I'll give you. |
| 14:09.21 | nid0 | ccooke, not really. more than "holy shit it doesnt have a ****" its more "holy shit, the **** on this thing is well basic" |
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| 14:09.26 | ccooke | What's wrong with the calendar? |
| 14:09.28 | chem|st | missing stuff is calDAV |
| 14:09.29 | nid0 | and that applies to pretty much everything phone related |
| 14:09.32 | smhar | hrw, well... I do not think phone requirements are big to satisfy |
| 14:09.35 | nid0 | particularly the shitty calendar |
| 14:09.38 | MiXu- | I've had no problems with the calendar |
| 14:09.45 | Anss| | battery that don't dry out without using |
| 14:09.45 | chem|st | proper syncing of more than one calendar |
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| 14:10.00 | ccooke | I've used the calendar a lot... not had any trouble. |
| 14:10.11 | nid0 | yeah, it works, it's just well basic |
| 14:10.17 | MiXu- | Anss|: Lol. I'd like to see the phone that doesn't have that problem ;) |
| 14:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | now ~<10m to the point |
| 14:10.27 | hrw | ccooke: try to import more advanced calendar entries... |
| 14:10.28 | MiXu- | Or I have. It has a wire that goes to a wall ;) |
| 14:10.34 | hrw | bug 6933 |
| 14:10.39 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong |
| 14:10.40 | chem|st | missing PGP/GPG mime for modest |
| 14:10.44 | nid0 | the only real biggie for me is the lack of a proper office suite |
| 14:10.53 | nid0 | and the shite email client |
| 14:10.54 | hrw | missing LOT of features for modest you mean? |
| 14:11.00 | ccooke | hrw: hmm. Possibly my workplace doesn't use anything so advanced; it's imported all my meetings with no trouble |
| 14:11.01 | chem|st | nid0: true |
| 14:11.02 | MiXu- | nid0: Have you tried the documents to go or whatnot? |
| 14:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | that's been with internet (over wifi) and assistance enabled |
| 14:11.08 | hrw | calendar is joke, mail is joke |
| 14:11.16 | nid0 | yeah, docs to go is just a viewer though, and only a free trial. |
| 14:11.18 | hrw | ccooke: check bug 6933 which I told before |
| 14:11.27 | chem|st | at least a free doc-viewer would help |
| 14:11.56 | ZogG | http://img9.yfrog.com/img9/2096/67622729.png watch the speed and size =) |
| 14:12.00 | nid0 | losing my e90's office suite is kinda annoying for me |
| 14:12.18 | ccooke | hrw: out of interest... what do you *like* about Maemo? |
| 14:12.25 | MohammadAG | 20s lock |
| 14:12.29 | chem|st | hrw: note joke but not what it could be, biggest fault is to put media cal and mail into non-free |
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| 14:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: let's bash all NYC residents claiming GPS doesn't work ;-) |
| 14:13.54 | hrw | chem|st: modest is free |
| 14:14.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm, just disabled all gps, and cold rebooted (not a full reboot), it gets a lock in 13s |
| 14:14.34 | hrw | ccooke: it is one step closer to my dream phone then my previous one |
| 14:14.34 | MohammadAG | give or take a second |
| 14:14.48 | ccooke | hrw: *grin* Good reason |
| 14:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the location data cache won't get void by booting |
| 14:15.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how do I void them :) |
| 14:15.29 | MohammadAG | other than reflashing, plehehehease... |
| 14:15.33 | smhar | hrw, what else -phone wise- is lacking in N900? |
| 14:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ask SpeedEvil - he knows a tool to delete the file/whatever |
| 14:15.40 | hrw | ccooke: I can hack some code for it, it has quite good IM integration (if you avoid twitter and facebook plugins), browser suxx less then s60 one but needs more work to replace opera mini |
| 14:15.50 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, ? |
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| 14:15.57 | MiXu- | Prioritization for phone calls isn't as good as on Symbian. |
| 14:16.07 | hrw | smhar: phone wise as 'phone functionality' or as 'n900 to be used for phone'? |
| 14:16.07 | ccooke | hrw: ugh, I can't stand opera mini. But to each their own :-) |
| 14:16.09 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:16.12 | MiXu- | It can take a long time for call to start if there's heavy loa´d |
| 14:16.20 | chem|st | smhar: nothing, I can call I can fwd I can reject send texts and mms... |
| 14:16.24 | hrw | ccooke: operamini has awesoe reflow of text |
| 14:16.45 | Disconnect | MiXu-: fwiw its still better than g1 when it was equally young. its only recently (1.6) that it could reliably receive calls while doing other things (eg browser or maps) |
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| 14:17.02 | ccooke | hrw: possibly, but every time I've used it I've hated it. Something in the interface just *doesn't click*. |
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| 14:17.09 | hrw | sure |
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| 14:17.14 | smhar | hrw, n900 to be used for phone |
| 14:17.43 | ccooke | smhar: see, the thing is... the n900 is a *massive* improvement *as a phone* over my Android HTC Magic. |
| 14:17.57 | Disconnect | wants a browser that works in portrait. srsly. no weird offscreen grey horiz scroll 'wobble' (when there's no horiz-scroll content, LOCK TO VERTICAL..) and no missing close buttons, no need to say "reflow" on every single window, etc... |
| 14:18.10 | Disconnect | ccooke: what ver was the magic running? see above re phone issues in android :) |
| 14:18.27 | ccooke | Disconnect: 1.5 IIRC |
| 14:18.43 | Disconnect | yah. |
| 14:19.10 | ccooke | hmm. Maybe not. It was cupcake. *goes to check which version number that was* |
| 14:19.38 | Disconnect | ancient |
| 14:19.51 | nid0 | cupcake is 1.5 |
| 14:19.53 | hrw | smhar: missing (compared to 1⬠phones): video calls, voice dialing (especially during car driving), conf calls (or I did not found how to make such in maemo5) |
| 14:19.57 | smhar | ccooke, never tried HTC Magic and did not like the Android |
| 14:20.00 | ccooke | Disconnect: well, yes. I haven't used it since day 1 of the last Maemo summit :-) |
| 14:20.00 | hrw | smhar: thats from pure phone stuff |
| 14:20.06 | Disconnect | ccooke: :) |
| 14:20.15 | ccooke | smhar: I liked the system quite a bit, actually. |
| 14:20.35 | ccooke | but the big problems with it: The dialing pad was slow to react and... just a little unpleasant to use. |
| 14:20.54 | nid0 | i've never even noticed the lack of voice dialling, <3 handsfree in my car |
| 14:20.56 | ccooke | when a phone call was active, bringing up the number pad required effort |
| 14:21.22 | Disconnect | ccooke: you were running stock upstream image? |
| 14:21.27 | ccooke | and the phone kept locking during the call, so sometimes I'd have to unlock to get to the pad, which left my finger over a button, so I ended up pressing a button... |
| 14:21.30 | ccooke | Disconnect: yes. |
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| 14:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: (conf) that's probably because conf calls over gsm are rarely found feature with european carriers |
| 14:22.00 | smhar | ccooke, I have a programmer friend that claimed that to do a simple 'Hello World" in Android he needed pages and pages of Reading AND Coding |
| 14:22.00 | nid0 | they are? |
| 14:22.03 | Disconnect | yah. it got a lot better with 1.6, although realistically it wasn't as convenient as n900 (or iphone or..) until 2.0, and most of that is cuz 2.0 hw comes with proximity sensors |
| 14:22.12 | ccooke | on the n900... the dialing pad is instant. Getting access to the number pad or toggling speaker phone - two of the biggest functions I use when calling - are nice big buttons that react instantly. |
| 14:22.14 | nid0 | multiway calling in the uk hasnt been anything special for years |
| 14:22.24 | Disconnect | smhar: then he lied, the tutorial for hello world is something like 1.5 pages :) |
| 14:22.55 | hrw | awaiting calls suxx on n900 |
| 14:22.58 | Disconnect | smhar: http://d.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html |
| 14:23.13 | ccooke | the interface of the n900 when making a phone call is beautifully streamlined. It does the job and it makes all the important functions easy to access. |
| 14:23.17 | ccooke | That's good design. |
| 14:23.38 | Disconnect | smhar: the issue is when you get into xml layouts. you have to spend a lot of time thinking and pondering, its a real pita. it works (kinda) and scales between devices (kinda) but.. |
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| 14:23.56 | ccooke | hrw: ... how so? It's really rather good. |
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| 14:24.17 | ccooke | I'd say Maemo would be better if it had a persistent message notification like Android has, sure |
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| 14:24.31 | ccooke | but other than that... |
| 14:24.49 | nid0 | a notification all the time when there's messages you havent seen? |
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| 14:25.15 | frals | the task switcher being lit up and the notification led isnt clear enough? |
| 14:25.20 | nid0 | apparently not |
| 14:25.25 | nid0 | to me that works perfectly |
| 14:25.38 | nid0 | but "no message notification on n900" seems a common complaint |
| 14:25.41 | nid0 | never really been sure why |
| 14:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | idiots to be found everywhere |
| 14:26.53 | ccooke | frals: I'd love an icon or two to tell you what sort of things were waiting, how many... |
| 14:26.58 | Disconnect | i really don't understand what maemo's ui team was thinking. (esp browser) landscape - waste tons and tons of space by having a top bar, but don't do anything useful with it. (bonus, when you get a notification in that tiny tiny square you prolly can't find it by clicking it..) portrait, lose the bar and make you rotate back to switch tasks, close windows, etc.. |
| 14:27.03 | ccooke | it could certainly be done easily enough. |
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| 14:27.33 | smhar | hrw, ok.. are the limitation in N900 phone capabilities software related or hardware deficiencies? |
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| 14:27.47 | nid0 | software |
| 14:27.55 | valdyn | smhar: thats a silly question |
| 14:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: nobody needs portrait mode, and it's absolutely no official feature for microb |
| 14:28.03 | Disconnect | nid0: a basic device feature (long before android) is "tell me what I missed/what has happened. let me manage them in random order, and don't lose them until i say so" .. n900 fails that badly.. |
| 14:28.27 | ccooke | Disconnect: how so? They appear nicely in the task list |
| 14:28.31 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: my sarcasm detector is trembling. or are you going to seriously try to tell me that google reader (and other mobile webpages) are better in landscape..? |
| 14:28.47 | smhar | valdyn, well maybe, I am not really sure, but I know that the silliest question is the one not asked :-) |
| 14:28.52 | valdyn | Disconnect: the top bar can be switched off, so why is that a problem? |
| 14:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | google reader - what's that? |
| 14:29.14 | Disconnect | valdyn: because now you can't get out of it without turning it back on. |
| 14:29.25 | valdyn | Disconnect: *I* can |
| 14:29.27 | nid0 | yes you can |
| 14:29.31 | nid0 | but thats beside the point I guess |
| 14:29.35 | valdyn | Disconnect: ctrl-backspace |
| 14:29.38 | Disconnect | ccooke: if you get 2 emails (esp in 2 accounts), the task list says "@ email from {foo bar}" and clicking it (task list -and- notifications in one?? sigh) takes you to a random account. |
| 14:29.59 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer it is, cause it's inside it. and would be official with pr1.2 |
| 14:30.11 | ccooke | Disconnect: ah, that's definitely buggy behaviour |
| 14:30.12 | chem|st | puts a ObamAEd flag on his hat |
| 14:30.56 | smhar | valdyn, I meant if there are software related... no big deal here.. 'enhancement' may appear in the next release, but if there is something in the hardware no able to handle that.. then that is it |
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| 14:31.23 | Disconnect | "What is happening now", "What did I miss" and/or "what is pending" are different tasks. i have a blinking light right now, lets see what it says... (neat, it failed to autolock) ok "@ 18 30 mins ago Tiger Auto Auditor" .. click it.. it shows my list of accounts. |
| 14:31.33 | Disconnect | no indication as to which has new messages, just account and sync time. |
| 14:31.41 | valdyn | smhar: if the n900 had some operating system like amiga os then it would be orders of magnitudes faster in some areas |
| 14:31.50 | valdyn | smhar: but such an os is insanely hard to manage with |
| 14:31.51 | smhar | valdyn, something similar to the usb host thing... as I read once that it is disabled by Nokia at the hardware level.. not sure about this info though |
| 14:31.59 | frals | Disconnect: accounts with new messages are highlighted arent they? |
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| 14:32.23 | Disconnect | frals: both are highlighted. how do i find the message it just showed me..? |
| 14:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: almost (aor probably) all of them are sw |
| 14:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: the modem/phone hw seems kinda ok |
| 14:33.04 | smhar | valdyn, well maybe after all there is hope in meego then :-) |
| 14:33.16 | chem|st | smhar: the usb-host thing seems to be another issue |
| 14:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: It even knows how to transfer data during calls. Few modems know how to do that |
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| 14:33.31 | frals | dunno, ive never had a problem knowing which account got the email judging by the subject so couldnt tell you |
| 14:33.37 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: every tethered gsm phone (w/ 3g) i've ever had can do that :) |
| 14:33.57 | frals | but if both are highlighted you got new messages in both so id assume youd be interested in both and just check |
| 14:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: I'm referring to 2G though |
| 14:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | for 3G it's a mandatory feature iirc |
| 14:34.25 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: i was under the impression that you -can't- transfer data during a voice call on 2g. no matter how fancy it is. |
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| 14:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: nope, incorrect. There's a extension to handle that |
| 14:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | and N900 has that extension |
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| 14:35.33 | cehteh | but carriers dont seem to like it |
| 14:36.03 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: yah does it actually work with real carriers? |
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| 14:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess carriers don't even realize when it's happening |
| 14:36.58 | Disconnect | hmm. got a link to the extension? so far everything i've seen on gsm requires -lots- of carrier support. esp channel allocation. |
| 14:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | as it's mainly a limitation of the modem hw not being able to switch rapidly between channels |
| 14:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: sorry I'm talking out of my ass, never looked into the details |
| 14:38.33 | Disconnect | yah thats what i suspected ;) |
| 14:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | I just got a basic idea about how GSM/GPRS works |
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| 14:40.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: 2G extensions made it possible and that is a feature both need the client and the carrier |
| 14:40.33 | MiXu- | How do I get rid of the MMS APN that fMMS created? :P |
| 14:40.34 | Disconnect | most modems (well, most phones anyway) will drop the data connection as soon as the transfer stops (eg page loads) and don't use keepalives, so they can receive calls/sms/etc between pages. saves some user annoyance ("whenever i open safari my phone stops receiving calls") |
| 14:40.42 | MiXu- | I mean is there a UI way to do it :) |
| 14:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | and my guess is GPRS is allocating a certain number of timeslices/'channels', and voice is using a separate additional one |
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| 14:42.29 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: er, channels and timeslices are different. there is an extension that basically gives half-rate voice and half-rate data, but srsly - half-rate edge data is down in the rfc1149 range... |
| 14:42.44 | hrw | X-Fade: any ideas? |
| 14:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: I know the diff tween channels and timeslices |
| 14:43.17 | frals | MiXu-: no, gconftool would be your friend here |
| 14:43.32 | frals | there are instructions somewhere in the fmms thread |
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| 14:46.56 | valdyn | MiXu-: latest fmmms just hides that apn |
| 14:47.13 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: actually, if this is what you meant by the gsm extension, you're half right. there is an extension (and at least one carrier actually uses it) to piggyback notification flags on the data channel. can't do both, but you can say "hey! stop data for a sec, got something important" - http://mobilesociety.typepad.com/mobile_life/2007/03/deep_inside_the.html |
| 14:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | ⢠⢠Dual Transfer Mode (DTM) support for simultaneous voice and packet data connection in GSM/EDGE |
| 14:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | networks. Simple class A, multi slot class 32, max speed DL/UL: 296/177.6 kbits/s |
| 14:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | ⢠GPRS class A, multi slot class 32 (Max Sum 6), max speed DL/UL= 107/64.2 kbits/s |
| 14:48.27 | Disconnect | anything that says "class a" is using 2 different hardware radios. srsly. you don't want that, esp in a mobile device.. |
| 14:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | (from RX51-L3/4 service manual) |
| 14:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | aha |
| 14:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless we *got* it |
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| 14:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | that's RX51 aka N900 specs, as of Nokia official service manual |
| 14:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | page 18 of 202 |
| 14:50.40 | ZogG | but we lost faith in nokia, i'm gonna write new topic about it =)))))) |
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| 14:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | so now tell me I'm wrong |
| 14:51.07 | crashanddie_ | 'night all |
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| 14:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | n8 crashy |
| 14:51.45 | chem|st | n8 crashanddie |
| 14:51.54 | crashanddie_ | neight? |
| 14:51.57 | crashanddie_ | :P |
| 14:52.05 | crashanddie_ | or is that with the aussie accent? |
| 14:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 14:52.22 | chem|st | with the ozzy accent |
| 14:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | noth bavarian aussie accent ;-) |
| 14:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | north even |
| 14:53.25 | Disconnect | i -really- doubt the n900 has 2 radios. "simple class a" may be code for "half-rate voice and half-rate data" (see above) |
| 14:53.26 | chem|st | I'd say naight like west yorkshire accent |
| 14:53.39 | Disconnect | (sorry, got eaten by life briefly) |
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| 14:54.04 | chem|st | Disconnect: I guess it got 4 at least |
| 14:54.21 | Disconnect | chem|st: 4 gsm radios? srsly? |
| 14:54.33 | Disconnect | would guess that thats kinda a dumbass assumption ;) |
| 14:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: or it's a timesharing scheme as suggested by me before |
| 14:54.58 | chem|st | 2gsm 1wifi 1fm |
| 14:55.30 | Disconnect | chem|st: ok. explain to me what its gonna do with 2 gsm radios. (3g is a superset of edge/etc. so thats one radio. where's the other?) |
| 14:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what 14WAAKH22 might mean in Finland |
| 14:57.09 | Khertan | Ovi Store will be accepting applications created with the Nokia Qt SDK in the near future. Stay tuned for more announcements and instructions on submitting. <<<< interesting ... |
| 14:57.17 | Terje_ | DocScrutinizer, same as everywhere in world? |
| 14:57.18 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: yah. dtm - thats the 'half-rate' thing i was talking about (i got thrown by the "simple a" description) |
| 14:57.29 | chem|st | thought it got two antenas on two radios, but I could be wrong as always |
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| 14:58.27 | Disconnect | chem|st: ok. why? |
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| 14:59.15 | chem|st | thats what I remember from service manual... but it could be another device |
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| 14:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | GSM/UMTS has _one_ antenna |
| 15:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | then there's BT/WiFi, GPS, FM-TX, (fm-rx, well kinda)... |
| 15:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | antennae |
| 15:00.26 | Disconnect | cell antenna, gps antenna, not seeing anything for the wifi or fm but still looking |
| 15:00.27 | X-Fade | hrw: I have this in my sbdmock setup: config_opts['cputransparency-method'] = 'qemu-arm-sb' |
| 15:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | so you got 4 internal plus one plugin antennae |
| 15:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | plugin one aka headset |
| 15:02.29 | hrw | X-Fade: what is sbdmock? |
| 15:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | schematics help a lot ;-P |
| 15:02.50 | X-Fade | hrw: I'll not complicate matters for you by explaining that ;) |
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| 15:05.07 | hrw | X-Fade: I think that I will just gain 15GB by removing maemosdk as it does not work now D: |
| 15:05.51 | X-Fade | hrw: Did you have a working scratchbox setup? |
| 15:06.10 | X-Fade | Then it should really be a one line change and you are done. |
| 15:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: (3G superset of EDGE) really? |
| 15:09.21 | hrw | X-Fade: when I run 'scratchbox' I am inside of it |
| 15:10.04 | hrw | X-Fade: so which change? |
| 15:10.19 | X-Fade | sb-menu |
| 15:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: aiui GSM==TDMA, 3G==WCDMA |
| 15:10.46 | hrw | X-Fade: and? |
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| 15:11.12 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: since you used wikipedia earlier ;) "While the GSM EDGE standard also fulfils the IMT-2000 specification, EDGE phones are typically not branded 3G" |
| 15:11.28 | X-Fade | change the target config, replace debian-etch (or lenny) by debian-squeeze. |
| 15:11.31 | X-Fade | Done. |
| 15:11.38 | hrw | X-Fade: did that 3 times |
| 15:11.52 | X-Fade | Did you actually install it before that? |
| 15:11.58 | X-Fade | Outside scratchbox? |
| 15:12.03 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: err, uhuh |
| 15:12.04 | hrw | X-Fade: I first installed outside sbox |
| 15:12.23 | noobmonk3y | omg's |
| 15:12.28 | X-Fade | hrw: The errors you see have nothing to do with the thing you changed. |
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| 15:12.29 | hrw | X-Fade: and dpkg in fremantle-armel sbox is from squeeze |
| 15:12.31 | noobmonk3y | just saw someone downloading PR1.2! |
| 15:12.41 | noobmonk3y | realises it is not April 1st - http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/25850&vid=185872 |
| 15:12.58 | X-Fade | noobmonk3y: I do that all the time ;) |
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| 15:13.10 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 15:13.15 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution#cite_note-ref1-0 ..yep. even says it right on the cover page. |
| 15:13.42 | Disconnect | IMT-2000: (The ITU definition of 3G Mobile) - IMT-DS (W-CDMA-FDD) - IMT-MC (cdma2000) - IMT-SC (EDGE) - IMT-TC (TD-SCDMA) - (W-CDMA-TDD) - IMT-FT (DECT) |
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| 15:14.14 | MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, PR1.4 too :o |
| 15:14.23 | noobmonk3y | grins yay! |
| 15:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | and how's that related to the question if we need a separate radia for 3G? |
| 15:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | radio |
| 15:15.38 | noobmonk3y | starts the rumour "You need a separate radiator to use the N900" |
| 15:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using 3G as a synonym for UMTS here. I don't care about ITU defs |
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| 15:16.48 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ok we got a wcdma and a gsm receiver |
| 15:16.49 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: every radio module we looked at (few years back unfortunately) that did umts/3g had edge integrated. |
| 15:17.27 | SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y: I installed this, and now my n900 won't boot |
| 15:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | fine. Still EDGE is TDMA |
| 15:17.35 | chem|st | its one chip I guess and one antena |
| 15:18.25 | noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: - you need to wait for PR2.0 :( oh well |
| 15:19.38 | hrw | X-Fade: magic then |
| 15:20.04 | ZogG | Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to talk.maemo.org |
| 15:21.25 | ZogG | forum is down? |
| 15:21.29 | nid0 | yes |
| 15:21.36 | ZogG | who did it? |
| 15:21.38 | Khertan | as usual :) |
| 15:21.38 | ZogG | you? |
| 15:21.44 | ZogG | bad bad boy |
| 15:21.53 | nid0 | whatever gremlins take it down every day, I guess |
| 15:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I told it's one antenna |
| 15:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: it's roundabout 5 chips though |
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| 15:22.48 | ZogG | when you'll get part for phones |
| 15:22.53 | ZogG | like for laptops or desctops? |
| 15:23.02 | achipa | nid0: not gremlins, daemons :) |
| 15:23.19 | achipa | (in all senses of the word) |
| 15:23.53 | ZogG | you come to store and say : hey can i get this cpu for my phone? does my bla-bla-blah motherboard supoorts it? |
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| 15:24.09 | nid0 | not anytime soon |
| 15:24.27 | ZogG | i don't think so |
| 15:24.34 | ZogG | not like i described but anyway |
| 15:24.40 | ZogG | it would be like laptops soon |
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| 15:25.09 | ZogG | when you actually can change parts and have different configurations |
| 15:25.21 | ZogG | and than you get different oses as well =) |
| 15:25.24 | chem|st | its an ASIC with both GSM&WCDMA in it like BTHFM-ASIC has BT and FM |
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| 15:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: yes. |
| 15:26.36 | chem|st | I would call those two asics 4 radios with 3 antenas |
| 15:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: well, I don't see the point in arguing about that |
| 15:27.43 | chem|st | so we got 5 radios plus gps-rx and 4 +headset antenas |
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| 15:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: call it whatever you want. For details refer to the schematics and datasheets |
| 15:27.55 | Milo- | hum, isn't there a way of changing the default view for the calendar? |
| 15:28.14 | Milo- | I don't like the agenda format |
| 15:28.29 | chem|st | nah it was just the 'are you serious that we have 2 gsm' well we got one gsm and one wcdma... |
| 15:28.35 | Milo- | I would like to see a weekly or monthly calendar by default when I open the calendar. |
| 15:28.37 | MohammadAG_ | wtf |
| 15:28.42 | MohammadAG_ | the N8 has OTG |
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| 15:28.56 | zaheerm | says it has |
| 15:29.03 | Milo- | otg? |
| 15:29.11 | MohammadAG_ | USB On The Go |
| 15:29.13 | zaheerm | also it says there is microusb and nokia 2mm charging ports |
| 15:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | the question if a TDMA is implemented in an asic as a separate function block, or they just switch the WCDMA blocks to a different operation mode, that's quite uninetresting |
| 15:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | anyway WCDMA isn't exactly a technical superset of TDMA |
| 15:30.55 | chem|st | why is it a symbian again |
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| 15:32.54 | hrw | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > qemu |
| 15:32.54 | hrw | /scratchbox/tools/bin/qemu: No qemu binary found. |
| 15:32.54 | hrw | Have you installed & selected the CPU transparency devkit? |
| 15:33.04 | hrw | that looks really strange |
| 15:33.21 | X-Fade | hrw: Did you install it in the host? |
| 15:34.17 | chem|st | where do they put all that stuff? |
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| 15:34.28 | X-Fade | hrw: All packages are here: http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 15:34.30 | hrw | X-Fade: I found issue - when I selected squeeze devkit I did not selected qemu one too |
| 15:34.46 | X-Fade | hrw: ok, good. |
| 15:35.24 | hrw | ~curse sbox anyway |
| 15:35.25 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sbox anyway ! |
| 15:37.22 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: for a specification POV it's probably most approriate to consider the device a blackbox and just see how many *independant* RF transmissions aka protocols it can send concurrently |
| 15:37.39 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: true |
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| 15:39.14 | Khertan | bye |
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| 15:41.39 | hrw | newer version uploaded to builder |
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| 15:42.31 | slonopotamus | so |
| 15:42.35 | Stskeeps | wb javispedro |
| 15:42.42 | javispedro | hey |
| 15:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: everything beyond is just a question of the particular hw implementation and the answer largely depends on the question you want to get answered. See e.g WiFi/BT, with coexistence - they share one freq and often one antenna, and it doesn't matter for anything outside the case if BT and WiFi share one transmitter ore are mixed together from two chips on one antenna or even use two antennae |
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| 15:44.07 | Stskeeps | javispedro: does openvg require EGL? |
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| 15:45.00 | javispedro | Stskeeps: theoretically, no. But on the PVR, yes... |
| 15:45.24 | javispedro | (an implementor could make their own EGL-like API -- see Apple) |
| 15:45.31 | slonopotamus | X-Fade: any plans to fix autocleaner? :) |
| 15:45.44 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Should be fixed. |
| 15:45.51 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Can you upload a newer version? |
| 15:45.52 | Stskeeps | javispedro: but it's basically just an API for rendering to a buffer i guess? |
| 15:46.07 | slonopotamus | it strikes again :) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902#c4 |
| 15:46.08 | povbot | Bug 9902: Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel |
| 15:46.17 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Current one is a bit messed up and I don't have time to actually go and remove some things from the db. |
| 15:46.44 | javispedro | Stskeeps: it's basically an API for "setting platform specific stuff up". Getting surfaces to render into, associate those into display devices or windows, ... |
| 15:46.57 | Stskeeps | er, openvg i mean |
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| 15:48.05 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: If you just increase the version number, it should be fine? |
| 15:48.19 | Stskeeps | egl i know what does :P |
| 15:48.37 | javispedro | Stskeeps: yes |
| 15:48.54 | Stskeeps | javispedro: just wondering if there' potential in trying to get qt working on top of the drivers so there's -some- worth :P |
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| 15:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: how would you characterize MIMO? one radio with multiple antennae? or with one multi-element active antenna? or multiple one-antenna radios in one device? |
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| 15:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe just say it's MIMO ;-D |
| 15:50.11 | slonopotamus | X-Fade: will try increasing, ok. |
| 15:50.34 | slonopotamus | X-Fade: that another comment is from 24th april. |
| 15:50.38 | javispedro | Stskeeps: doesn't sound like a bad idea -- http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo/2008-January/012833.html |
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| 15:52.40 | RST38h | moos at javispedro with intent |
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| 15:52.47 | RST38h | ehlo, slonopotamus |
| 15:53.12 | javispedro | hello RST38h |
| 15:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | heh sflphone :-) |
| 15:54.21 | wazd | kinda opened cycling season :) |
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| 15:57.40 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: :P |
| 15:57.47 | slonopotamus | RST38h: hi |
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| 16:00.29 | RST38h | OMG: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/iretrofone-base-iphone.jpg |
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| 16:01.09 | javispedro | No rotary dial. Less weight than a nomad. Lame. |
| 16:01.22 | RST38h | Maybe you are supposed to rotate the iphone? |
| 16:01.44 | RST38h | Hmmm...AllAboutSymbian claims N8 has got 640x360 screen. Lame. |
| 16:02.57 | slonopotamus | definitely likes latest xkcd comics on hdtv |
| 16:03.02 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: "multiple transmit antennas are co-located at one transmitter" |
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| 16:03.52 | slonopotamus | http://xkcd.com/732/ |
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| 16:04.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: the question is if there are 2 transmitters and there are no matter if they use one or two antennas |
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| 16:06.10 | Khertan | someone can explain why return key on n900 isn t equal to QtCore.Qt.Key_Return ? |
| 16:06.24 | chem|st | the transmitters are boxed in ASICs, could be one could be two could be three ASICs doesn't matter |
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| 16:06.32 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: were you asking about broken identifer_strings_appearing_in_the_ui ? |
| 16:06.40 | timeless_mbp | i just hit one today and will try to chase it down |
| 16:06.40 | chem|st | Khertan: it is equal to KP_Enter |
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| 16:06.42 | frals | Khertan: its sending numpad_enter or such |
| 16:06.57 | Khertan | hum .... strange |
| 16:06.57 | Khertan | but thx |
| 16:07.11 | chem|st | Khertan: if you want something recognize it look for KP_Enter |
| 16:07.37 | Khertan | qt the portable framework where everythings need to be refine by plateform ... |
| 16:08.07 | chem|st | Khertan: but be aware that fakekey KP_Enter sends a KEY_Return |
| 16:08.10 | frals | well they are different keys so... :P |
| 16:08.29 | frals | youd prolly be better off matching against both key_return and kp_enter |
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| 16:08.39 | chem|st | frals: true |
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| 16:10.12 | nid0 | huh. |
| 16:10.19 | nid0 | non-removable battery in the n8. |
| 16:10.24 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; yeah, from the skype |
| 16:11.03 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; do you want it once more, the key name? |
| 16:11.05 | uberdisk | I'm trying to build a theme with the "Theming for Dummies" -guide. It builds okay, but files go into the root of "/usr/share/themes"... Not in a folder. What is the problem? :) |
| 16:11.12 | uberdisk | Anyone willing to help? |
| 16:11.28 | chem|st | nid0: "Possibility to use capacitive stylus" I dont care gimme resistive |
| 16:12.01 | Khertan | i m trying to understand how qt works |
| 16:12.10 | MohammadAG_ | <nid0> non-removable battery in the n8. |
| 16:12.12 | MohammadAG_ | huh |
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| 16:12.18 | nid0 | tbh, the n8 is looking like a smashing good phone overall though |
| 16:12.27 | timeless_mbp | i have it in logs |
| 16:12.38 | timeless_mbp | i have a simpler/easier to hit case which i'll use to chase the problem |
| 16:12.43 | chem|st | nid0: yes but missing two essential things |
| 16:12.55 | nid0 | such as? |
| 16:13.04 | Khertan | is there a way to traps return in a QTextEdit without trapping anykeys, test if return then do your method |
| 16:13.27 | Khertan | as it s kinda slow to trap each key |
| 16:13.41 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; good, but I keep the log until I see it's been fixed |
| 16:13.50 | MohammadAG_ | nid0, right, it's a good phone, with a bad OS |
| 16:13.55 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 16:14.07 | nid0 | not really. symbian gets far more stick than it deserves. |
| 16:14.07 | chem|st | nid0: a kbd and a resistive screen... and maemo |
| 16:14.25 | nid0 | it may not be the new shiney thing, but it works, it works really well, and it's simple to use. |
| 16:15.23 | nid0 | chem|st it's aimed as a media phone, keyboard's pointless, and most people want capacitive screens, because theyre generally much nicer as long as the ui's suitable |
| 16:16.23 | lcuk | how do far eastern folks enter text on capacitive screens? |
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| 16:17.15 | Khertan | also how to make a widget similar to hildon.PannableArea in Qt ? |
| 16:17.21 | chem|st | nid0: well if Im not able to sketch properly I dont need it, the hdmi out is nice though, its an xpress-music successor though |
| 16:17.26 | Khertan | what is the widget name ? |
| 16:17.39 | lostinmirkwood | Is there a way to set the current n900 clipboard (copy/paste) through an ssh session? |
| 16:17.50 | lcuk | Khertan, open qt creator and look through the examples |
| 16:17.52 | nid0 | ofc it is, its a £300 phone, at that price it's aimed strictly at midrange and it has an assload of top of the line features nonetheless |
| 16:17.54 | lcuk | theres many ways to skin a cat |
| 16:17.56 | chem|st | lcuk: chinese handwriting recognition.... |
| 16:18.09 | lcuk | chem|st, bit difficult if you are finger painting |
| 16:18.32 | nid0 | i've just seen the gallery from it's camera, and that alone is a very good selling point |
| 16:18.37 | chem|st | lcuk: the kids learn to draw the chinese signs with their fingers first afaik |
| 16:18.45 | lcuk | chem|st, ofc |
| 16:18.52 | lcuk | but then you evolve and use a pen/pencil :) |
| 16:18.57 | lcuk | nid0, it looks very pretty |
| 16:19.08 | lcuk | how would it look with the 1000+ images ive got on my device |
| 16:19.14 | Khertan | lcuk : qtcreator not available on n900 |
| 16:19.24 | nid0 | lcuk: sorry? |
| 16:19.40 | Khertan | and anyway if ki ask is because i ve found example in qtcreator |
| 16:19.44 | nid0 | oh sorry I mean a gallery of images taken by the camera, not the device's image gallery |
| 16:20.12 | lcuk | nid0, the video demo shown hasnt got many photos in it |
| 16:20.30 | nid0 | dunno about a video demo, i just looked at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/first-12-megapixel-sample-photos-shot-on-nokia-n8-untouched/ |
| 16:20.41 | nid0 | it has a selection of full-size images from the camera |
| 16:20.57 | lcuk | cool |
| 16:21.53 | chem|st | this thing looks like the answer to sony's media phones |
| 16:23.05 | MohammadAG_ | meh |
| 16:23.09 | MohammadAG_ | updated my PS3 |
| 16:23.11 | RST38h | Hmmm those N8 photos are pretty damn decent for a cell phone |
| 16:23.12 | MohammadAG_ | :( |
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| 16:23.44 | lcuk | agreed RST38h not bad quality at all |
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| 16:27.34 | nid0 | I wonder what the reasoning is for the nonremovable battery though |
| 16:27.57 | Trizt | more like iphone |
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| 16:28.28 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 16:28.46 | RST38h | N8 battery not removable??? |
| 16:28.48 | Andy80 | I'm trying to use the N900 emulator inside the latest Qt Creator beta, but.... |
| 16:28.51 | javispedro | doesn't think the photos are that great.. |
| 16:28.55 | Andy80 | is it just a dummy picture? |
| 16:29.00 | javispedro | full sunlight and still you can easily tell they're from a camera phone.. |
| 16:29.00 | Andy80 | nothing works |
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| 16:29.14 | MohammadAG_ | lol why is their an uncovered torx scren on the N8 |
| 16:29.20 | MohammadAG_ | screw* |
| 16:29.24 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG_, ! loving noor english ver |
| 16:29.28 | nid0 | I dont recall seeing any other mid-range phones that can match those pictures |
| 16:29.32 | nid0 | so they aint that bad |
| 16:29.34 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.36 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, :) |
| 16:29.39 | Noobmonk3y | 1 suggestion.... bigggggger icons needed |
| 16:29.45 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.48 | MohammadAG_ | updated his PS3, MW2!!!! |
| 16:29.51 | javispedro | RST38h: ofc. |
| 16:29.59 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, will check that, qwerty12 made the smaller I think |
| 16:30.21 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 16:30.22 | RST38h | Of course, I would prefer a bigger sensor and better optics |
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| 16:33.32 | javispedro | 640x360.. hmpf. |
| 16:33.55 | javispedro | 16:9, makes sense from a marketing PoV... |
| 16:35.51 | Veggen | yah...Ukraine is a polictically stable country, sure....(my $BigCorp-employer bought a part of a company there for the cheap labor on basis that it was a "reasonably stable" country) |
| 16:35.54 | PhonicUK | Andy80, Qt Creator 2 alpha doesn't have the emulator yet |
| 16:35.57 | PhonicUK | hence being an Alpha version |
| 16:36.06 | PhonicUK | works fine if you connect to an actual N900 though |
| 16:36.15 | Andy80 | I'm using thr BETA not the alpha |
| 16:36.24 | Andy80 | released today |
| 16:36.28 | PhonicUK | ooooooh! |
| 16:36.47 | PhonicUK | linky? |
| 16:36.53 | RST38h | laughs satanically at the mention of .UA as a "politically stable country" |
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| 16:37.22 | Andy80 | http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ |
| 16:37.24 | RST38h | javispedro: it is much easier, their S60e5 UI is not scalable |
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| 16:38.28 | javispedro | I can see them just bitmap-scaling the screen to the 1080p on HDMI output |
| 16:39.05 | javispedro | hm... http://www.forum.nokia.com/pics/Qt_SDK_Sim_01.png |
| 16:39.20 | PhonicUK | Maemo Hamarattan? :| |
| 16:39.31 | PhonicUK | * Harmattan |
| 16:39.40 | RST38h | javispedro: seen interactive demo of that already |
| 16:40.00 | zaheerm | i am guessing hd video playback will not be scaled down for screen and then rescaled up to 720p/1080i/1080p |
| 16:40.11 | javispedro | yeah, DUI. Though.. device emulator? |
| 16:40.31 | PhonicUK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan |
| 16:40.32 | javispedro | ah, simulator :P |
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| 16:56.13 | kamui | pr 1.2 *sigh sauce* |
| 16:57.46 | andrewfblack | loves how people can't wait for pr 1.2 so they can wait for pr 1.3 so they cant wait for Meego 1.0 so they can wait for Meego 1.2 so they can.... |
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| 17:07.40 | Trizt | thinks his n900 is lagish after running for 9d without reboot |
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| 17:12.14 | Shapeshifter | andrewfblack: though the autobuilder screwup really was fail |
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| 17:13.19 | RST38h | OMG, they *ARE* releasing a successor to E70! |
| 17:13.38 | andrewfblack | Shapeshifter: ?? |
| 17:13.39 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Rejoice! REJOICE! |
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| 17:14.00 | RST38h | Wait. It is 320x240. Bummer. |
| 17:14.54 | ShadowJK | :( |
| 17:15.01 | ShadowJK | standard symbian these days I guess :/ |
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| 17:16.06 | RST38h | Shadow: http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/2699.jpg |
| 17:16.27 | javispedro | what's that? A featurephone? |
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| 17:17.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | now THAT's ugly |
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| 17:18.50 | javispedro | 320x240 is the number of pixels I'd expect on a wrist watch these days. |
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| 17:19.10 | kamui | andrewfblack, I want fixes |
| 17:19.14 | kamui | i want refinement |
| 17:19.20 | kamui | I want every incremental update I can get my hands on |
| 17:19.26 | javispedro | have you built them? |
| 17:19.50 | javispedro | all the open components have their pr1.2 source in gitorious |
| 17:19.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | I want a Pb2Au converter |
| 17:19.56 | javispedro | has installed a few of them |
| 17:20.21 | kamui | javispedro, good idea |
| 17:20.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: you talked to MohammadAG_ ? |
| 17:20.55 | javispedro | about? |
| 17:21.01 | andrewfblack | is only person who doesn't care about Pr 1.2 lol |
| 17:21.03 | Shapeshifter | andrewfblack: autobuilder using pr1.2 way before any release ondevice |
| 17:21.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | PR1.2 components on N900 |
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| 17:21.16 | javispedro | doesn't care about pr1.2 but he's working on a pr1.2 library atm |
| 17:21.27 | javispedro | s/on/with |
| 17:21.38 | andrewfblack | Shapeshifter: thats true but they did same with pr 1.1 maybe not this long out but it was a week or two |
| 17:22.04 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: that should be pretty much fixed now (both Gtk & Qt+) |
| 17:22.06 | Shapeshifter | well this is not a week or two |
| 17:22.22 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: sur but it wssnt for like a monthe |
| 17:22.36 | Shapeshifter | fail typing |
| 17:23.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | really? haven't noticed similar major problems when 1.1 came out |
| 17:23.08 | javispedro | LOL to rant about MWKN not putting enough PR1.2 news |
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| 17:24.07 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, they're holding out on us!!! |
| 17:24.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hello, bergie. |
| 17:24.27 | RST38h | evil, evil |
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| 17:25.45 | bergie | hey GeneralAntilles |
| 17:26.45 | javispedro | ah, sending stories to mkwn requires a twitter account =) |
| 17:26.53 | MohammadAG_ | <DocScrutinizer51> javispedro: you talked to MohammadAG_ ? <- ? |
| 17:27.01 | MohammadAG_ | oh |
| 17:27.11 | javispedro | MohammadAG_: I guess he thinks you're a hardcore PR1.2 fan or something. |
| 17:27.22 | javispedro | is it the case? |
| 17:27.25 | MohammadAG_ | no, but I installed PR1.2 packages yesterday |
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| 17:27.32 | javispedro | a |
| 17:27.34 | MohammadAG_ | just to prove the guy on the forums wrong :P |
| 17:27.57 | MohammadAG_ | javispedro, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=628580&postcount=264 |
| 17:29.14 | javispedro | well, keyboards are usually closed |
| 17:29.27 | mece | LOL |
| 17:29.48 | javispedro | I wonder why nobody tries doing a portrait keyboard, if there's that much demand. |
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| 17:36.33 | nid0 | heh |
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| 17:36.43 | nid0 | nice rip on apple by nokia asking for their n8 prototype back |
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| 17:38.17 | mece | where? |
| 17:38.24 | nid0 | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/one-of-our-children-is-missing/ |
| 17:39.36 | GeneralAntilles | nid0, just like the N900 preview. |
| 17:39.41 | GeneralAntilles | Eldar's kind of an idiot. |
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| 17:39.57 | nid0 | I noticed that very quickly on seeing his posts on tmo |
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| 17:40.53 | MohammadAG_ | lol GeneralAntilles |
| 17:41.07 | florian | re |
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| 17:43.01 | Wolfie | nid0: "culture of openness"? that wasn't the impression i got when I worked over there |
| 17:43.04 | RST38h | Poor Eldar, now he is gonna look like a kidnapper =) |
| 17:43.37 | Wolfie | didn't feel like there was any kind of culture, actually. Other than taking an afternoon coffee at the cantine and looking at the shift change :) |
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| 17:43.53 | nid0 | Wolfie: I didnt write the post, just pointed out the rather blatant scathe on apple's doings and handling of the 4g business in the last paragraph |
| 17:43.58 | Wolfie | yeah, i know |
| 17:44.12 | Wolfie | for some change reason i chose to reply to you nevertheless |
| 17:44.19 | Stskeeps | RST38h: next up is accusing him of abusing one of their children |
| 17:44.24 | Wolfie | "strange", not change |
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| 17:44.40 | nid0 | it's certainly a very different approach to the one apple took though. |
| 17:44.49 | Wolfie | a better one, I'd say |
| 17:45.00 | Wolfie | the milk has already been spilled... |
| 17:45.52 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Of course he had anal sex with that N8 proto! |
| 17:46.04 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I mean, can there be any doubt? =) |
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| 17:48.11 | Stskeeps | how hard can it be anyhow - check all protos are accounted for, the ones which are missing.. |
| 17:48.30 | Stskeeps | except if he has a nokia friend :P |
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| 17:48.52 | javispedro | just remote-enable the gps and fire a icbm |
| 17:48.56 | RST38h | Stskeeps: that friend may be in trouble now |
| 17:49.16 | RST38h | javispedro: detonate the Li battery |
| 17:49.20 | RST38h | remotely |
| 17:49.21 | Stskeeps | RST38h: probably |
| 17:49.29 | javispedro | RST38h: now we know why bme is closed |
| 17:49.36 | RST38h | twue |
| 17:49.58 | RST38h | But I am sure you can find the right /sys file to echo "boom" to |
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| 17:55.29 | m77771111 | Hi. I want to use n810 as portable microphone that can be used on other linux machine as sound input (-; |
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| 17:59.17 | lcuk | m77771111, technically afaik you can use gstreamer and send stuff over the network |
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| 17:59.27 | lcuk | but sure how far or simple to configure it is |
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| 18:00.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf is wrong with xchat now?. |
| 18:00.43 | mece | is there something wrong? |
| 18:01.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | see join-msgs of last few minutes |
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| 18:01.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly a restart might fix it |
| 18:01.42 | javispedro | scrolling back? too much work, no way. |
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| 18:02.46 | lcuk | VDVsx, did you enjoy your kebab |
| 18:02.47 | MohammadAG_ | * DocScrutinizer51 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <-- freenode hates you |
| 18:02.48 | MohammadAG_ | :P |
| 18:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | freggin bad luck |
| 18:03.52 | VDVsx | lcuk, lol |
| 18:03.52 | VDVsx | pizza |
| 18:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | FSSSCK |
| 18:03.52 | lcuk | cool stuff |
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| 18:03.52 | rm_you | I miss Kebab :( |
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| 18:03.52 | rm_you | Europe rules. |
| 18:03.54 | rm_you | if only for Kebab EVERYWHERE |
| 18:04.00 | lcuk | i dont recall you wanting kebab |
| 18:04.12 | lcuk | unless kebab is american for "sleeping on the bathroom floor" |
| 18:04.18 | rm_you | rofl |
| 18:04.26 | rm_you | kebab was my go-to meal for fast food :P |
| 18:04.29 | lcuk | how you doin rm_you |
| 18:04.47 | RST38h | rm_me |
| 18:04.49 | rm_you | for the three weeks or so collectively i've been in europe now (all for maemo) i've had kebab like 40 times |
| 18:04.58 | rm_you | lcuk: still very unemployed |
| 18:05.06 | lcuk | eep thats not very good |
| 18:05.10 | rm_you | wanting to do n900 development but feeling very directionless |
| 18:05.15 | rm_you | ABL isn't really necessary |
| 18:05.17 | lcuk | 40 kebabs in 21 days mmm |
| 18:05.20 | rm_you | hate to say it but i think quim was right |
| 18:05.22 | lcuk | i bet the people on the plane loved you |
| 18:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, lol. |
| 18:05.29 | RST38h | rm_me: In what way? |
| 18:05.30 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, never admit defeat! |
| 18:05.33 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:05.34 | rm_you | well |
| 18:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | We need profiles and shit! |
| 18:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | burps from kebab 10min ago |
| 18:05.46 | GeneralAntilles | Emphasis on the shit! |
| 18:05.49 | rm_you | in the... 5 months or so I used my n900 before it broke |
| 18:06.02 | rm_you | i used qwerty's quick backlight statusbar hack |
| 18:06.02 | javispedro | we need SHIT? |
| 18:06.13 | RST38h | need better shit |
| 18:06.13 | rm_you | and i still only ever changed the backlight level maybe three times |
| 18:06.16 | rm_you | the entire 5 months |
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| 18:06.20 | oli | hello |
| 18:06.24 | m77771111 | lcuk not found "gstreamer" in an application manager ) |
| 18:06.30 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol i' |
| 18:06.34 | lcuk | gstreamer is not an application |
| 18:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | Super Hitech Information Technology |
| 18:06.38 | lcuk | its a framework |
| 18:06.42 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol i'll get right on the "shit" then :P |
| 18:06.51 | javispedro | aha, acronym's day |
| 18:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I change it at least 3 times a day. |
| 18:06.58 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/simple-brightness-applet/ |
| 18:07.27 | rm_you | yes, that |
| 18:07.29 | lcuk | has at least pieces of you rm_you i believe |
| 18:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | is rebooting into Windows 7 to play Stacraft II |
| 18:07.40 | GeneralAntilles | feels dirty. |
| 18:07.51 | rm_you | i mean, qwerty coded that up in like two hours on day three or so |
| 18:07.54 | lcuk | then play other games then GeneralAntilles |
| 18:07.55 | oli | sorry, does anyone have "screen" package for diablo? I can't google it... |
| 18:08.01 | rm_you | and it works fine |
| 18:08.03 | lcuk | you dont have to just play starcraft lol |
| 18:08.09 | rm_you | the rest of ABL isn't really necessary either |
| 18:08.10 | javispedro | yes, he does. |
| 18:08.16 | rm_you | volume and such doesn't need to be compacted |
| 18:08.24 | rm_you | rotation support... well |
| 18:08.29 | oli | or maybe any repository where I can find 'screen' |
| 18:08.35 | javispedro | oli: tools repo |
| 18:08.41 | RST38h | rm_you: ABL is not the only widget that can be useful |
| 18:08.45 | lcuk | i was at someones house last night that has an upside down maemo and ABL wouldv worked |
| 18:08.45 | rm_you | right |
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| 18:08.53 | oli | jacekowski: thank you |
| 18:08.57 | rm_you | RST38h: right, but that's why i said I feel directionless :P |
| 18:09.13 | lcuk | VDVsx, what pizza did u have |
| 18:09.14 | rm_you | no idea what to do now that my main project is basically dead |
| 18:10.01 | lcuk | rm_you, what did you do before abl tho |
| 18:10.03 | RST38h | rm_you: decent message box widget would be nice |
| 18:10.10 | RST38h | rm_you: current one is not even resizable |
| 18:10.19 | rm_you | lcuk: hacked on a2dp support for mplayer on n800 :P |
| 18:10.45 | rm_you | submitted a patch or two to mplayer for fixing it with video |
| 18:10.51 | rm_you | that's about it |
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| 18:11.14 | javispedro | ponders caring about Big Endian platforms or not... |
| 18:11.21 | RST38h | rm_you: then, decent rss reader applet |
| 18:11.28 | rm_you | the backlight thing basically fell into my lap. people were like "we need to change backlight levels" and i was like, k i can do that] |
| 18:11.30 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 18:11.38 | GAN900 | lol |
| 18:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | LOL, my ssh to N900 is still up and running, despite the device been well out of reach of WLAN several times for several hours since I logged in :-D |
| 18:11.48 | rm_you | alright, what RSS readers are available now, and what is wrong with them? |
| 18:12.01 | GAN900 | I hand picked you to implement my master plan, you rube. |
| 18:12.06 | rm_you | lol GAN |
| 18:12.22 | rm_you | I suppose it worked pretty well then :P |
| 18:12.37 | rm_you | an RSS reader seems doable |
| 18:12.41 | GAN900 | jott, however, was just luck |
| 18:12.44 | rm_you | lol |
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| 18:12.53 | rm_you | jott I paid $20 to fix a problem :P |
| 18:12.57 | rm_you | and then he stuck around |
| 18:13.10 | rm_you | which was neat cause he was a cool guy.... wonder what happened to gim |
| 18:13.11 | rm_you | *him |
| 18:13.18 | RST38h | rm_you: well, there are several rss reader apps, but the thing is that there is no decent rss applet, that would show the maximal number of news, be configurable, and would not eat cpu |
| 18:13.26 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 18:13.37 | rm_you | so |
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| 18:13.46 | rm_you | very minimal RSS homescreen applet |
| 18:13.51 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:14.00 | RST38h | configurable, too |
| 18:14.07 | rm_you | when you say configurable |
| 18:14.14 | rm_you | what would you like to be able to configure? |
| 18:14.15 | rm_you | size? |
| 18:14.16 | lcuk | use 2pt font |
| 18:14.21 | lcuk | for maximum density |
| 18:14.25 | rm_you | lol lcuk |
| 18:14.37 | lcuk | or is that too extreme - perhaps 8? |
| 18:14.40 | rm_you | RST38h: i don't use RSS much |
| 18:14.52 | rm_you | so i don't know what a good RSS applet would look like or behave like |
| 18:15.02 | lcuk | thats potentially a good thing |
| 18:15.19 | rm_you | but if you talk me through designing your "dream RSS applet" i can prolly whip up the specs and UML for it and go :P |
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| 18:16.14 | rm_you | all part of that "requirements specification" stage of software design :P |
| 18:16.34 | RST38h | rm_you: ok, let me think of something else |
| 18:17.02 | RST38h | rm_you: how about a *usable* music player that lets you play files rather than tracker db entries? |
| 18:17.09 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:17.22 | rm_you | so, does its own indexing, or just doesn't index at all? |
| 18:17.29 | RST38h | does not index at all |
| 18:17.37 | rm_you | IE, a music player that just traverses the filesystem as you wish? |
| 18:17.41 | lcuk | i keep pondering nice and simple - volcano distance widget |
| 18:17.42 | RST38h | but lets you create and use playlists |
| 18:17.47 | rm_you | lol lcuk |
| 18:18.00 | rm_you | RST38h: aight. gstreamer fine? |
| 18:18.03 | lcuk | "you are 200 miles from nearest active volcano - RUN" |
| 18:18.05 | RST38h | rm_you: Yes. A *simple* music player. Guess so |
| 18:18.20 | RST38h | rm_you: iPod UI simulation a plus =) |
| 18:18.21 | rm_you | i could work out using mplayer as a backend but gstreamer is prolly simpler |
| 18:18.26 | rm_you | lol RST38h |
| 18:18.36 | rm_you | lcuk: like the belltower app? |
| 18:18.40 | RST38h | actually started on this but did not have time to finish |
| 18:18.40 | GAN900 | rm_you, yeah, he idled for, like, 6 months without responding to anything then one day he wasn't idling anymore. |
| 18:18.48 | rm_you | lcuk: i can only assume it is to warn you about possible crazy snipers... |
| 18:19.02 | lcuk | rm_you, yeah, but belltowers dont usually block entire continents |
| 18:19.02 | rm_you | GAN900: yep, i have his phone number |
| 18:19.10 | rm_you | GAN900: thought about calling him |
| 18:19.28 | lcuk | ~seen jott |
| 18:19.30 | infobot | jott <n=j@unaffiliated/jott> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 564d 3h 4m 32s ago, saying: ':)'. |
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| 18:19.36 | rm_you | RST38h: what language were you using? |
| 18:19.42 | GAN900 | rm_you, dooo |
| 18:19.45 | RST38h | rm_you: C, as usual |
| 18:19.53 | rm_you | RST38h: yeah, figured :P |
| 18:20.08 | RST38h | there is another project like that, gimmea moment to find it |
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| 18:20.13 | rm_you | i'm on more of a python kick currently, but it does worry me a bit still performance-wise |
| 18:20.24 | lcuk | rm_you, for regulat apps pyqt is seemingly getting better |
| 18:20.28 | lcuk | regular |
| 18:20.30 | rm_you | then again, it is a lot better than n800 for it |
| 18:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | famous last words :-) |
| 18:20.49 | rm_you | my C is really basic/minimal :P |
| 18:21.27 | rm_you | always a good time to learn i guess, right? :P |
| 18:21.59 | rm_you | it's just, whenever I use C i always feel like I'm going to have memory leaks everywhere T)T |
| 18:22.01 | rm_you | *T_T |
| 18:23.04 | RST38h | rm_you: never use new |
| 18:23.11 | RST38h | or malloc |
| 18:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:23.20 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | or goto? |
| 18:23.48 | rm_you | i know, i'll just call new a bunch and have a conditional goto before the deletes :P |
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| 18:26.09 | javispedro | RST38h: admit it, you want a winamp clone |
| 18:26.35 | javispedro | still uses winamp even under gnu for some reason he believes is related to the "Play folder" menu item |
| 18:27.02 | RST38h | javispedro: yep. |
| 18:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | rm_you: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-04-26.log.html#t2010-04-26T02:15:47 |
| 18:29.06 | RST38h | rm_you: CHeck this one out: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30901 |
| 18:29.07 | javispedro | hah |
| 18:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | rm_you: python is not the best choice for all sorts of projects |
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| 18:29.25 | javispedro | actually .pyo "optimization", last time I looked at it, was just "removing the comments" |
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| 18:29.52 | javispedro | (note that removing comments in python is not trivial -- breaks inline documentation, and some apps actually RELY on that) |
| 18:30.34 | lcuk | javispedro, noobmonk3y saved 20% of his startup by removing comments |
| 18:30.46 | lcuk | i wonder what a reduction in variables would bring too |
| 18:30.54 | javispedro | because to actually strip comments automatically you have to invoke the optimizer manually iirc |
| 18:30.56 | javispedro | with -O |
| 18:30.58 | lcuk | ie "mybloodylongvariablereference" -> "a" |
| 18:31.31 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:32.03 | rm_you | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i know. It's not my OneBigHammer, i'm just sayin' it'd be neat to get to use it once in a while for something :P |
| 18:32.10 | javispedro | actually, I read that they fixed this in whatever python version I have now -- -O strips comments but not docstrings, -O -O strips everything |
| 18:32.45 | frals | a finally back on the ground |
| 18:32.48 | lcuk | javispedro, did you see the python speedup thread |
| 18:33.07 | rm_you | so, media player, maybe not? |
| 18:33.11 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 |
| 18:33.19 | rm_you | back to RSS applet? lol |
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| 18:33.28 | javispedro | lcuk: think so, cause I remember somebody speaking about pros cons of python-launcher recently.. |
| 18:33.35 | lcuk | rm_you, mafw should give backend support? |
| 18:33.45 | satmd | sees |
| 18:33.53 | frals | love when you get off the plane, as you arrive your luggage comes up and you get on the train back to the city and it leaves within a minute |
| 18:33.58 | lcuk | but use your own control to choose songs based on folder etc? |
| 18:34.02 | lcuk | frals, oh hai |
| 18:34.08 | frals | o/ |
| 18:34.19 | lcuk | speak of the devil! lol |
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| 18:34.32 | rm_you | i mean, Quasar looks like what RST wanted, but already complete :P |
| 18:34.45 | lcuk | how many new versions of fmms did you build whilst waiting at airport? |
| 18:34.45 | javispedro | those evil python users! ;) |
| 18:35.14 | frals | none! |
| 18:35.17 | rm_you | RST38h: you seen Quasar? |
| 18:35.24 | frals | almost finished my book thou |
| 18:35.30 | lcuk | :D cool stuff |
| 18:35.36 | lcuk | speaking of book ive got one to finish |
| 18:36.16 | frals | first time in almost a year ive had time to read :) |
| 18:36.21 | lcuk | whats yours frals |
| 18:36.26 | lcuk | planes do that |
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| 18:37.00 | frals | "bones" by jonathan kellerman |
| 18:37.02 | RST38h | rm_you: Yea. it is pretty cool |
| 18:37.04 | lcuk | is just finishing the dreaming void and will start on the next one soon |
| 18:37.09 | andrewfblack | I wander if Qgil would freak out if I sold my N900 lol j/k |
| 18:37.20 | RST38h | rm_you: But it is not complete, not packaged for Maemo5, not being worked on, and uses mplayer |
| 18:37.24 | lcuk | frals, the book of the series? |
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| 18:37.33 | frals | na |
| 18:37.38 | RST38h | rm_you: notice no-finger-scrolling and other problems |
| 18:37.49 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: well, you'd be in breach of a contract :P |
| 18:38.00 | RST38h | rm_you: Adopting it to Maemo *well* and packaging the results would be cool |
| 18:38.36 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: didn't sign a contract mine isn't a Summit one :) Just joking anyways |
| 18:38.46 | rm_you | RST38h: hrmrm |
| 18:39.29 | rm_you | lol, Quim said he gave a new device and my address to his secretary at the end of last month, been 30 days and nothing's shown up, so i guess i give up |
| 18:39.44 | rm_you | and now he's all Volcanoed along with the rest of europe |
| 18:40.18 | andrewfblack | rm_you: email him for the tracking number if its lost in mail he would want to know |
| 18:40.18 | rm_you | i can still do testing tho if i charge my battery in my friend's n810 :P |
| 18:40.28 | rm_you | I did email him, haven't heard back |
| 18:40.34 | rm_you | i think he got volcanoed in |
| 18:40.43 | rm_you | that |
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| 18:40.47 | rm_you | that's what i heard at least |
| 18:41.54 | rm_you | RST38h: i'll look into that. i guess when i glanced at the page it looked like it was for maemo5 but i wasn't paying close attention |
| 18:42.10 | opdf2 | not sure if my slider is loose, but...is the lcd supposed to wiggle a little back and forth when it is midway up? |
| 18:42.15 | rm_you | ah, yeah it's for diablo, k |
| 18:42.31 | rm_you | opdf2: yeah it does that on all of them |
| 18:42.35 | rm_you | a bit scary but "normal" |
| 18:42.48 | opdf2 | rm_you: whew ty |
| 18:42.52 | ech0HTPC | what it do/ |
| 18:43.12 | Arkenoi | wimax terribly sucks today.. it worked just fine a few mothns ago :-( |
| 18:43.39 | rm_you | Arkenoi: are you sure you weren't just like... really stoned a few months ago, and it SEEMED fast/working? :P |
| 18:43.51 | lcuk | when jake gets a hole in his pants |
| 18:44.00 | lcuk | he sticks finder in and shows us |
| 18:44.04 | lcuk | "look a hole" |
| 18:44.11 | lcuk | it starts off about 2mm |
| 18:44.19 | lcuk | and ends up being the size of his knee |
| 18:44.24 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:44.53 | lcuk | i think of that everytime someone says "X wiggles or moves or whatever" |
| 18:44.59 | rm_you | when i get a hole in the knee of my jeans, inevitably i start to put them on, get a toe stuck in it, and RIIIIIIP |
| 18:45.09 | rm_you | and then it's the size of the entire pantsleg |
| 18:45.19 | Arkenoi | rm_you: i am pretty sure |
| 18:45.19 | lcuk | did your toe cause the hole? o_O |
| 18:45.26 | rm_you | not to begin with |
| 18:45.30 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:45.38 | lcuk | cut ur nails to be sure |
| 18:45.43 | Arkenoi | i mean sure i was not ;-) |
| 18:45.43 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:45.48 | yuizy_ | my n900 won't charge, i've used three different chargers and also tried to remove the battery, but there's no orange light |
| 18:45.51 | yuizy_ | any solution? |
| 18:46.03 | rm_you | lol Arkenoi, never had good experience with wimax personally, so |
| 18:46.21 | rm_you | yuizy_: is the USB connector still attached to the device? :P |
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| 18:46.33 | slonopotamus | yuizy_, broken mini-usb port? |
| 18:46.34 | rm_you | yuizy_: or stuck at sort of an odd angle in the usb hole? |
| 18:46.49 | yuizy_ | it seems ok, nothing weird |
| 18:46.56 | rm_you | look REALLY closely |
| 18:47.03 | yuizy_ | i once broke it really bad and got a new device from the shop |
| 18:47.08 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:47.17 | Arkenoi | rm_you: cdma-450 sucks even more, and i have no internet here besides these two |
| 18:47.28 | rm_you | :( |
| 18:48.03 | yuizy_ | hey thanks |
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| 18:48.29 | yuizy_ | i pushed it hard and it started to charge |
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| 18:48.39 | yuizy_ | but it won't probably last long |
| 18:49.40 | rm_you | yuizy_: yeah that's fucked |
| 18:49.45 | rm_you | go get a new device again |
| 18:50.02 | rm_you | and hope the person at the store doesn't look at you weirdly for "breaking" a second one |
| 18:51.05 | slonopotamus | yuizy_, broken usb connector is a warranty case |
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| 18:52.39 | yuizy_ | even if i overclocked the phone? |
| 18:52.59 | rm_you | clock it back and pretend you didn't? O_o |
| 18:53.06 | slonopotamus | no connection between those |
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| 18:54.50 | rm_you | right but try explaining it to a retail drone T_T |
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| 18:56.42 | nid0 | sigh @ users |
| 18:57.29 | slonopotamus | rm_you, i just went to repair service with my n900. |
| 18:58.16 | rm_you | and? |
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| 18:59.27 | slono[n800] | rm_you, and they replaced whole motherboard |
| 18:59.35 | Stskeeps | eep |
| 18:59.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:59.37 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:59.49 | SpeedEvil | wonders what happens to the old motehrboards |
| 18:59.54 | rm_you | qt4-dev-tools: Depends: libqt4-dbus (= 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5) but 4.6.2~git20100310-0maemo1+0m5 is to be installed |
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| 18:59.57 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 19:00.00 | rm_you | using =dep |
| 19:00.04 | slono[n800] | they go to motherboard heaven |
| 19:00.39 | Stskeeps | reused as maemo.org servers |
| 19:00.44 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 19:00.53 | slono[n800] | full of jumpers and various periferal devices ready to be connected |
| 19:01.04 | Stskeeps | motherboard orgies? |
| 19:01.06 | javispedro | envisions a n900 motherboard cluster, matrix style. |
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| 19:01.49 | slono[n800] | Stskeeps, well, they usually have more than one connector :) |
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| 19:03.15 | SpeedEvil | from the POV that I'd like to try to put the n900 in a silly box. |
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| 19:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | burps and reboots a few of the 770 in maemo.org |
| 19:06.25 | SystemParadox | does anyone know anything about the N900 proximity sensor? How does it know not to pay attention when I press the button with my face? More importantly, why is the magnet in my belt case affecting the screen even when key locked? |
| 19:06.54 | slono[n800] | SystemParadox, magnet affects keyboard lock |
| 19:07.12 | slono[n800] | SystemParadox, it thinks yoou slided out kb |
| 19:07.13 | nid0 | re the magent, its because the keyboard slider also uses a magnet. if you hold a magnet anywhere near the bottom right corner of the phone as you look at it in landscape, it thinks the keyboard's been opened |
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| 19:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | SystemParadox: the proximity sensor is an IR-reflective active sensor |
| 19:07.32 | nid0 | if you have a case magnet, it needs to be away from the bottom right |
| 19:07.35 | slono[n800] | nid0, i was faster :P |
| 19:07.43 | nid0 | :< |
| 19:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | also the backlid sensor is a hallsensor that detects the little magnet that holds the kickstand |
| 19:08.50 | SystemParadox | nid0, oh, that makes sense. That explains why it turns off again if I move the magnet away |
| 19:09.26 | SystemParadox | DocScrutinizer, huh? |
| 19:09.37 | GAN900 | lcuk, the aliens are mating! |
| 19:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | SystemParadox: huh what? |
| 19:10.24 | nid0 | SystemParadox: in other words there is a second magnet that does similar near the camera, but certainly with the magnet on my case, itll never trigger the backlid sensor, only ever the keyboard slider |
| 19:10.54 | SystemParadox | it detects the kickstand magnet? Is it supposed to? Does it use this information for anything? Or is this a fault? |
| 19:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | SystemParadox: the magnet is statically fixed to the back cover |
| 19:11.20 | RST38h | Supposed to do it |
| 19:11.21 | nid0 | ofc, its a sensor to detect that the back panel's on |
| 19:11.38 | nid0 | it's there to (primarily) unmount the sd card when the back's off so it can be hot swapped |
| 19:11.42 | nid0 | not sure if it does much else? |
| 19:11.45 | SystemParadox | ah that makes sense |
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| 19:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | SystemParadox: the kickstand has no magnet, just a piece of iron |
| 19:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: first of all it toggles a sysnode |
| 19:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 19:12.27 | SystemParadox | the only thing I could think of was detecting the kickstand, but that would be impressive given that it's not the magnet that moves |
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| 19:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | what the system does on sensing this state change, is another question. For now it's just unmounting the uSD afaik |
| 19:15.02 | SystemParadox | nid0, any ideas how to stop this from happening? It seems to affect it from the back too, though not so much |
| 19:15.22 | nid0 | keep the magnet away from that corner of the phone |
| 19:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | doing a sync;sync and freeze the system would also be nice, to avoid fs corruption on unadvertised battery removal |
| 19:15.31 | nid0 | or buy a new case with a magnet in a better place |
| 19:16.09 | nid0 | I have a landscape case with the magnet in the middle (kind of where the H and N are on the keyboard) and it doesnt trigger the lock |
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| 19:16.27 | rm_you | what's the CPU tag for n900? |
| 19:16.43 | rm_you | like, for n800 it was: mcpu=arm1136jf-s' |
| 19:16.44 | nid0 | ah SystemParadox, you're in the uk? |
| 19:16.48 | rm_you | minus the quote |
| 19:17.02 | SystemParadox | ok thanks very much. My case has two magnets. Yes I'm in the UK |
| 19:17.21 | nid0 | I can thoroughly recommend |
| 19:17.23 | nid0 | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280476080517&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT |
| 19:17.32 | nid0 | dirt cheap, but bloody good |
| 19:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | I have a landscape with 2 magnets, but they are very weak on the inside of thew pouch |
| 19:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | i.e large MU-metal plates inside behind the magnets on outside |
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| 19:18.35 | slono[n800] | rm_you, -mcpu=cortex-a8 |
| 19:18.49 | rm_you | thx |
| 19:18.59 | lcuk | GAN900, eep ? |
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| 19:19.37 | satmd | oO |
| 19:19.42 | satmd | waves at radic |
| 19:19.49 | SystemParadox | I think if I put it in facing away from the magnets it's ok, although I end up trigging it as I bring the phone past the open flap lol |
| 19:20.05 | radic | tach satmd |
| 19:20.11 | satmd | ;) |
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| 19:20.23 | radic | satmd: was machst du hier? |
| 19:20.35 | yuizy_ | rm_you: i wish i could clock it back, it doesn't have any power left |
| 19:20.36 | satmd | radic: na, hab auch ein n900 ;) |
| 19:20.46 | radic | satmd: tauschen wir? |
| 19:20.49 | rm_you | yuizy_: n810? :P |
| 19:20.52 | satmd | wieso? |
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| 19:20.57 | satmd | ;) |
| 19:21.02 | radic | satmd: ich hab nur ein N800 |
| 19:21.06 | satmd | :( |
| 19:21.10 | SpeedEvil | nid0: So you take it out of the case to use it? |
| 19:21.13 | yuizy_ | no, n900 |
| 19:22.12 | nid0 | SpeedEvil yes, I purely have the case to carry it round in |
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| 19:23.25 | yuizy_ | is there any way to get my personal data out of the phone before returning it to shop |
| 19:23.47 | petteri | If I update my n900 abroad will it get some wierd localized firmware version. Asking because on vacation this weekend and would like to update to PR1.2 if it comes :) |
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| 19:24.21 | javispedro | rm_you: you don't need to add a -mcpu setting any more; it's all handled by the toolchain if you use scratchbox. |
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| 19:24.44 | javispedro | (unless you want to play with Neon, since toolchain defaults to VFP) |
| 19:25.42 | MohammadAG_ | any good sites that ship worldwide and sell the BH-214? |
| 19:26.20 | opdf2 | When the n900 says "fully charged" is it still trickle charging, or there is no charging at all? |
| 19:27.24 | chem|st | opdf2: no charging, and it is getting discharged over time |
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| 19:28.45 | chem|st | yuizy_: backup and reflash |
| 19:29.09 | yuizy_ | well, i need to get some power first |
| 19:30.51 | bogie11 | btw.. quick question |
| 19:31.00 | bogie11 | when pr1.2 is coming ;) |
| 19:31.09 | javispedro | 2012 |
| 19:31.16 | bogie11 | unified qt sdk requires it |
| 19:31.26 | bogie11 | for n900 |
| 19:32.28 | bogie11 | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Nokia_Qt_SDK_v1.0_Beta mentions "Maemo tool chain supporting N900 mobile computer to be available together with forthcoming firmware update" |
| 19:32.40 | javispedro | you can also just pull qt 4.6 |
| 19:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | petteri: your special flavour will be retained on firmware update |
| 19:34.02 | petteri | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the info |
| 19:35.27 | rm_you | yuizy_: i meant, do you have an n810? :P |
| 19:35.39 | rm_you | yuizy_: cause you can charge the battery in an n810 and swap it back :P |
| 19:35.48 | rm_you | that's what i've been doing for a month now |
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| 19:37.09 | rm_you | so with the current sdk I don't need this line? |
| 19:37.16 | rm_you | TMAKE_CFLAGS += -O3 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp |
| 19:37.20 | rm_you | other than the -O3 |
| 19:37.47 | microlith | hmm |
| 19:38.12 | microlith | You know things are bad when you have to recommend an iPhone because nothing else works quite as well :/ |
| 19:38.25 | johnsq | rm_you: -mfpu=neon ? |
| 19:39.32 | rm_you | johnsq: i have NO idea, i don't do low-level stuff usually |
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| 19:39.53 | rm_you | i don't know much about the hardware / cpu / floating point unit in the n900 |
| 19:40.00 | rm_you | converting a makefile from n800->n900 |
| 19:40.10 | johnsq | rm_you: i use -march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp -ftree-vectorize for OMAP3440 |
| 19:40.24 | rm_you | johnsq: thanks |
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| 19:43.48 | yuizy_ | rm_you: wow, didn't know that |
| 19:43.49 | yuizy_ | cool |
| 19:44.18 | rm_you | yuizy_: yeah, so, you take the battery, line up the contacts, take out the stylus, and wedge it behind the battery |
| 19:44.22 | rm_you | it will then charge :P |
| 19:44.44 | rm_you | the hilarious part is that the description of how to do that came from Quim :P |
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| 19:46.44 | tripzero | anyone have issues with wifi dropping/loosing connectino? |
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| 19:51.00 | budfive | can somebody answer a question about odd battery behavior on an n900? As I use the phone, I see the reported battery capacity stay at 100% and then after a day's use it all of a sudden jumps down to ~0 and demands that I charge it. The voltages reported by battery-eye and such do fall more steadily throughout the day, but it seems both should work. The phone is brand new |
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| 19:51.28 | budfive | anybody seen anything like this? |
| 19:51.38 | nid0 | original battery? |
| 19:51.56 | tripzero | never seen it |
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| 19:55.45 | budfive | yes. original battery |
| 19:55.46 | MohammadAG_ | I had it, it went from 50-60 to 0 in one go |
| 19:55.52 | budfive | everything brand new. just got it 2 days ago |
| 19:56.14 | budfive | MohammadAG_: always or just once. So far I've only seen this behavior |
| 19:56.28 | MohammadAG_ | once |
| 19:58.39 | yuizy_ | thanks |
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| 19:59.03 | yuizy_ | after 10 minutes of macgyvering it started to charge |
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| 20:04.36 | woglinde | jo |
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| 20:09.20 | rapidsp | re |
| 20:09.43 | rapidsp | whats language? english? |
| 20:09.58 | microlith | best bet :) |
| 20:10.43 | rapidsp | repository.maemo.org is not workable? |
| 20:11.52 | woglinde | ~lart scrathcbox |
| 20:11.52 | infobot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to scrathcbox, and goes postal |
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| 20:14.10 | rapidsp | anybody know about repository.marmo.org troubles? |
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| 20:15.00 | tank-man | rapidsp, check your spelling |
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| 20:15.12 | achipa | is it just me or is planet maemo dead ? |
| 20:15.16 | rapidsp | *maemo |
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| 20:15.39 | tank-man | i mean on your device, just in case you misspelled it there |
| 20:16.38 | rapidsp | i didnt change any settings... |
| 20:17.17 | rapidsp | "Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" |
| 20:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | Oh shit - ovi is such a PITA. Trying to share 4 photos of my pouch - setting up my own host with apache is way easier |
| 20:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | clicking share on N900 viewer I can't create a new album and just select 'all media' for upload location. And there's obviously no way to move those uploaded photos from private allmedia folder to a newly created pouch folder. |
| 20:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | fsck ovi |
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| 20:20.11 | rapidsp | i see nobody havent any problems with repository? my local problem? |
| 20:20.35 | woglinde | rapidsp seems the problem is at your side |
| 20:20.38 | woglinde | maybee akamei |
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| 20:21.09 | rapidsp | woglinde: thanks :) |
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| 20:25.24 | rapidsp | but 'apt-get update' is downloading something from downloads.maemo.nokia.com... very slowly... :) |
| 20:25.41 | woglinde | as I said maybe akamei problem |
| 20:26.00 | woglinde | nokia is using akamei service for world wide distribution |
| 20:27.42 | rapidsp | may be akamai? |
| 20:29.01 | nid0 | I actually found ovi share to be not that bad |
| 20:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: ok, maybe I'm stupid. But how do I move a photo from one album to another? |
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| 20:33.32 | nid0 | via the share site? |
| 20:34.05 | nid0 | if you have the thumbnail view of images, just select the dropdown in the bottom right of image in question, select add, then choose the album to add it to |
| 20:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: err huh? I don't want to send a mail to someone |
| 20:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 20:34.28 | nid0 | or open the individual image, then select "add to an album" at the bottom and select the album |
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| 20:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: thanks mate - seems I need a coffee and a valium ;-) |
| 20:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | though it probably doesn't matter anymore - here's my pouch (5.75EUR) works great despite 2 magnet snappers http://share.ovi.com/album/joerg900.pouch |
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| 20:38.58 | rlinfati | Hi... |
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| 20:39.59 | rlinfati | what happen if i do.... tar zxf fremantle-arm-sysroot-1014-slim.tar.gz -C / on my n900 ? |
| 20:40.20 | woglinde | rlinfati hm maybee the system will hang |
| 20:40.34 | woglinde | and not starting after reboot |
| 20:40.49 | rlinfati | i want pr1.2 :P |
| 20:41.47 | woglinde | pr1.2 is now shipped? |
| 20:41.53 | rlinfati | nop |
| 20:41.56 | tripzero | boo |
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| 20:42.09 | tripzero | pr1.2: fix my wifi!! |
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| 20:42.23 | woglinde | whats wrong with wifi? |
| 20:42.28 | nid0 | DocScrutinizer: ah nifty pouch, I guess those bigass metal clasps do dull the magnets inside the case somewhat :) |
| 20:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 20:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | no problems with slider sensor recognized so far |
| 20:43.05 | rlinfati | my n900 need a re-flash.... but i no want install the pr1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 and a week after re-re-flash to pr1.2... |
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| 20:44.52 | nid0 | whats wrong with doing an ota upgrade to 1.2? |
| 20:45.21 | rlinfati | nothing.. |
| 20:45.55 | nid0 | so why would you need to re-re-flash to 1.2 when it's released |
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| 20:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | btw PR1.2 is just 7:41 away |
| 20:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 20:49.22 | woglinde | dco sure? |
| 20:49.48 | rapidsp | heh... resolved by removing some .Packages :) |
| 20:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, Apr 29. -> HK release of N900-chinese edition with PR1.2 |
| 20:50.50 | budfive | DocScrutinizer: I got the N900 after talking to you about it. Think it was a good decision. Thanks! |
| 20:50.52 | sECuRE | is there an announce for the HK release? |
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| 20:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | budfive: :-D welcome |
| 20:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | therwe is, somebody might still have the URL of the blog |
| 20:51.58 | woglinde | hm thats fake |
| 20:52.04 | woglinde | I truly believe |
| 20:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 20:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 20:52.44 | sECuRE | this url? http://maemoarena.com/2010/04/nokia-n900-pr1-2-expected-to-be-released-in-april-with-n900-honkong-release/ |
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| 20:54.16 | woglinde | Note: We are also expecting release of Nokia N900 in India this month. |
| 20:54.17 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:56.50 | GAN900 | I hate Boxwave |
| 20:57.22 | GAN900 | They release screenprotectors for the N900 the week after I get a massive wear spot on my RX-51. . . . |
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| 21:00.17 | lcuk | GAN900, a wear spot? |
| 21:00.25 | lcuk | and also, what was that thing you said b4 |
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| 21:01.51 | Arkenoi_ | had one microscratch (invisible without really close inpection) on my previous n900 and none on recent one |
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| 21:01.58 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 21:02.04 | Arkenoi_ | s/inpection/inspection/ |
| 21:02.19 | GAN900 | lcuk, dunno what from, but there's a circular wear area on the screen next to the statusbar |
| 21:02.27 | GAN900 | lcuk, stupid old Flickr reference. |
| 21:03.10 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, a bunch of these guys were spawning when I was down at the beach. http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2798380464/ |
| 21:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | I got pictures for you. ;) |
| 21:03.35 | lcuk | haha oh yeahh - now i remember the convo |
| 21:03.44 | lcuk | hiya woglinde |
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| 21:04.06 | lcuk | i must get round to screen protecting my phone |
| 21:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: replace ts? |
| 21:04.18 | lcuk | tracy has scratched hers already playing angrybirds |
| 21:04.30 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, it's a proto, I'll just get another if it comes down to it. |
| 21:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | Since my earpiece is going anyway. |
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| 21:05.12 | woglinde | beagleboard pics |
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| 21:06.43 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the decals on the maemo porsche suit it better than the meego one |
| 21:06.49 | Jaffa | Last N900 I got had 4 dead pixels; stuck on white. So it went back to Nokia. |
| 21:06.50 | lcuk | i like the grey trim |
| 21:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I still need to do the stupid MeeGoites for the MeeGo one. |
| 21:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | That'll pull it together better |
| 21:07.19 | lcuk | yeah will help |
| 21:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | It's really only half finished, so. |
| 21:07.25 | tybollt | msaemo porche? |
| 21:07.40 | lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4263150331/ |
| 21:07.46 | lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4263150331/ |
| 21:08.10 | tybollt | hmm |
| 21:08.14 | tybollt | grey and white |
| 21:08.21 | lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4374755051/ |
| 21:08.23 | tybollt | that's actually good looking |
| 21:08.25 | Jaffa | Should be the company car, provided by Nokia, for the council chair. |
| 21:08.27 | lcuk | paste failed |
| 21:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | could go for a GT2. |
| 21:08.50 | Stskeeps | is tired about all the people who didn't do shit to contribute complain about N8x0 and Mer. |
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| 21:09.20 | woglinde | stskeep what? |
| 21:09.30 | woglinde | contributes to n8x0 |
| 21:09.32 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: The number of people on tmo who think they're the community, but confine themselves to threads I never go near and never interact beyond these ghettos astound me. |
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| 21:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's, like, 2 dozen people at most. |
| 21:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, they're just SUPER VOCAL. :P |
| 21:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | I love the expressions I got from Quim in the photos of his talk at LFSF. |
| 21:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4524299016/sizes/l/ |
| 21:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | I wish that were higher resolution. |
| 21:10.46 | Stskeeps | 'dieeee' |
| 21:10.47 | Stskeeps | ? |
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| 21:12.22 | rm_you | GA: I love that it says "Collaboration" but all you can see is "Aboration", makes me think "Aberration" :P |
| 21:12.45 | FIQ | yay, i somehow got rid of the boot logo |
| 21:12.56 | FIQ | i don't know how i did but i never liked it |
| 21:13.12 | SpeedEvil | the boot logo? |
| 21:13.19 | SpeedEvil | or the boot animation? |
| 21:13.25 | FIQ | but only just for knowing if i want it back for some reason: how to put it back? |
| 21:13.33 | FIQ | the anim |
| 21:13.59 | woglinde | fiq take a hammer |
| 21:14.09 | FIQ | ofc |
| 21:15.22 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Nah, I wandered into the PR1.2 thread. It's like the overclocking one, but without the intelligence. |
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| 21:15.41 | lcuk | theres intelligence in the overclocking? |
| 21:15.50 | lcuk | i suppose theres logical testing |
| 21:15.50 | Jaffa | lcuk: Compared with the PR1.2 one there is. |
| 21:15.56 | lcuk | to some degree |
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| 21:16.00 | lbt | X-Fade: ping... I could do with 3 IPs |
| 21:16.18 | quest_ | abend |
| 21:16.32 | lcuk | jaffa i use the vaispy thing and just get a snapshot every now and then |
| 21:16.42 | lbt | Jaffa: RWG thread ... :) |
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| 21:18.09 | GAN900 | Jaffa, ouch |
| 21:18.14 | FIQ | ARM Debian's package is usually incompatible with Maemo, often due to missing libs... why didn't N900 put those common libs in, or at least, the maemo community in some repository? except for the optifying, it shouldn't be any problems... or? |
| 21:18.25 | FIQ | packages* |
| 21:18.26 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: for example - that's what I'd like some broken n900 motherboards for |
| 21:18.47 | lcuk | ? |
| 21:19.05 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: getting them so they can boot, and locking them on max_volt and 1100MHz - and running folding@home on them |
| 21:19.12 | microlith | FIQ: because ARM Debian is a totally different distribution |
| 21:19.13 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: and see when the first one fails |
| 21:19.15 | FIQ | so i/we easily could add Debians repositories and get thousends applications available from start? |
| 21:19.22 | FIQ | hmm |
| 21:19.36 | quest_ | is someone here who can help me with the app fmms? |
| 21:19.44 | FIQ | they share package manager, but that's the only thing they share? |
| 21:19.46 | microlith | all you'd need is for some upgrade of a core library to screw everything up |
| 21:19.56 | SpeedEvil | FIQ: memory footprint is _important_ |
| 21:20.03 | microlith | FIQ: effectively, yes |
| 21:20.15 | microlith | some filesystem layout, but not much else |
| 21:20.17 | FIQ | ahh |
| 21:20.30 | SpeedEvil | FIQ: you want as few duplicate libs on the device as you can |
| 21:20.43 | lcuk | fiq they share history, but theres maemoisms involved to make a lot of packages (especially those with ui) work |
| 21:20.45 | FIQ | though they had more things they share, but ok |
| 21:20.54 | SpeedEvil | FIQ: Three font renderers for example - supporting different programs in memory - will use a lot of RAM |
| 21:22.38 | woglinde | lumdidum |
| 21:23.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, does the mer being produced for joggler still boot happily on 900? |
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| 21:23.43 | Stskeeps | lcuk: it's not really getting produced, it was just some way to use the codebase |
| 21:23.49 | Stskeeps | but the same OS works on n900 yes |
| 21:25.01 | lcuk | so, you have a cross platform (arm and atom) variation that kinda sorta runs maemo apps - does it have qt in it? |
| 21:25.16 | Stskeeps | qt4.5 |
| 21:25.37 | lcuk | and boots to a desktop? :D |
| 21:25.37 | Stskeeps | otoh, it will run hildon apps better than meego ever will ;) |
| 21:25.45 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:26.02 | lcuk | dare i ask - have you changed the packaging format yet or is it still deb? |
| 21:26.20 | Stskeeps | still deb, naturally |
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| 21:28.36 | SpeedEvil | wishes the joggler had halved, not doubled in price. |
| 21:28.59 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:29.00 | nid0 | it did half in price in january! |
| 21:29.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, is qt just a matter of compilation |
| 21:29.12 | lcuk | within obs |
| 21:30.26 | SpeedEvil | nid0: yeah - I mean halved again |
| 21:31.19 | Stskeeps | lcuk: pretty much |
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| 21:31.26 | Stskeeps | but now i'm off to sleep |
| 21:31.30 | lcuk | gnite |
| 21:34.22 | SpeedEvil | night |
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| 21:35.28 | Jophish_n900 | is there a wiki page about running android on the n900? |
| 21:37.44 | Treibholz | Hmm, I think my n900 is broken. I used it the whole day and the battery still has more than 50%... |
| 21:38.09 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:39.33 | Shapeshifter | mh, btw I was wondering, hyperUI is pretty quick - will "normal" qt apps not written specifically for hyperUI also profit from increased speed or not? |
| 21:39.45 | Shapeshifter | UI-wise speed (smoothness and that) |
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| 21:40.02 | woglinde | hyperUI? |
| 21:40.09 | woglinde | he javispedro |
| 21:40.18 | javispedro | evening woglinde |
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| 21:56.08 | Stskeeps | right, setting myself up for a beating: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=630615 |
| 21:58.19 | javispedro | tries to guess what he missed |
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| 21:58.51 | MohammadAG | javispedro, PR1.2 |
| 21:58.53 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:59.09 | woglinde | javis pr1.2 in honkgong or something |
| 21:59.21 | Treibholz | and secure OverClocking to 2Ghz! |
| 21:59.29 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:59.31 | javispedro | I wasn't exactly thinking that ... |
| 21:59.32 | woglinde | secure |
| 21:59.44 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, what's a distmaster? :) |
| 21:59.45 | Treibholz | safe! |
| 21:59.56 | woglinde | MohammadAG stskeeps is one |
| 21:59.58 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: my signature should help |
| 21:59.59 | woglinde | for mer |
| 22:00.05 | MohammadAG | woglinde, really? :P |
| 22:00.10 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, well check it out |
| 22:00.15 | woglinde | wasnt stskeeps not at sleep? |
| 22:00.45 | woglinde | hm |
| 22:00.47 | woglinde | 23:31 < Stskeeps> but now i'm off to sleep |
| 22:00.48 | javispedro | yes, he's sleeping. this is his dream. |
| 22:00.53 | Shapeshifter | ... so people still think deb packaging is pure awesomeness... I just failed to build a package because I had *one* space between my mail address and the date in debian/changelog, instead of *two* spaces.... |
| 22:00.58 | javispedro | we're all dream people! ohnoes |
| 22:01.19 | woglinde | Shapeshifter where is the problem? |
| 22:01.27 | Stskeeps | or nightmare, depending on perspective |
| 22:01.30 | woglinde | dpkg is telling you that the format is wrong |
| 22:01.35 | Shapeshifter | and of course it can't tell me that this was the mistake, it just says "badly formatted trailer line". |
| 22:01.42 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: vim syntax highlighting helps there |
| 22:01.54 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: well if it knows the format is wrong, then it does know why and where. |
| 22:01.57 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: true |
| 22:01.58 | javispedro | (happened to me like, 100 times) |
| 22:02.06 | woglinde | not to me |
| 22:02.14 | woglinde | I copy the last entr |
| 22:02.15 | woglinde | y |
| 22:02.20 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: you can't be defending this behavior though ;) |
| 22:02.25 | Shapeshifter | it's plain silly |
| 22:02.28 | woglinde | but now you knows |
| 22:02.41 | woglinde | send a patch |
| 22:03.51 | javispedro | woglinde: even the years old esr book |
| 22:03.51 | javispedro | .... has a rule: "whitespace shouldn't matter" |
| 22:03.52 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, actually adhering to a specific syntax - however silly to you - ensures that all tools built to that spec can continue to work |
| 22:03.52 | woglinde | javispedro haha python |
| 22:03.52 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:03.52 | tybollt | hmm |
| 22:03.59 | PR1_2 | :-| |
| 22:04.06 | woglinde | tyboollt honkong? |
| 22:04.12 | Shapeshifter | lcuk: well that is true. it also implies that the tools are outdated and unmaintained |
| 22:04.24 | woglinde | Shapeshifter lol |
| 22:04.41 | lcuk | no, it means that changing them for petty things that so far 30,000++++ packages use the correct format for would be silly |
| 22:04.49 | lcuk | and that you should just suck it and accept |
| 22:05.02 | tybollt | woglinde: heh :) |
| 22:05.03 | woglinde | Shapeshifter real master let the changelog generate erher from svn commits or git commits |
| 22:05.08 | woglinde | either |
| 22:05.10 | javispedro | naaaaaaa. RPM! RPM! RPM! |
| 22:05.27 | lcuk | woglinde, now that is an improvement :) |
| 22:05.42 | Shapeshifter | disagrees and goes back to packaging archlinux packages. |
| 22:05.53 | Shapeshifter | after I've ported curl to the n900. |
| 22:06.03 | lcuk | curl is here isnt it? |
| 22:06.06 | lcuk | or is that libcurl? |
| 22:06.11 | Shapeshifter | only libcurl and the python bindings |
| 22:06.17 | lcuk | ahh k |
| 22:06.24 | lcuk | used libcurl |
| 22:06.31 | lcuk | name rang a blel |
| 22:06.32 | Macer | hello |
| 22:06.34 | lcuk | bell |
| 22:06.51 | javispedro | hi Macer |
| 22:06.57 | woglinde | lcuk sure learn about git-buildpackage or svn-buildpackage |
| 22:07.13 | woglinde | reminds me of putting git-buildpackage into maemo |
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| 22:08.18 | lcuk | woglinde, mirroring changes for each commit into the changelog sounds useful |
| 22:08.42 | lcuk | goes and has a read |
| 22:08.46 | timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ sb2? |
| 22:08.52 | timeless_mbp | can't remember how to set it up |
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| 22:09.03 | the_lord | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.08 | the_lord | sorry |
| 22:09.10 | the_lord | Hi! |
| 22:09.22 | Shapeshifter | Mh, I'm following the wiki in how to port a debian package to maemo and apt-get source curl failed after downloading the package with 'Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x curl_7.20.1-1.dsc' failed. Check if the 'dpkg-dev' package is installed.' I then went on unpacking it manually and doing some changes, but of course it can't build, missing lots of things like such: 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgnutls-dev stunnel ... |
| 22:09.28 | Shapeshifter | ... libkrb5-dev libidn11-dev libdb-dev (>= 4.7) libldap2-dev quilt libssh2-1-dev (>= 1.2) libgcrypt11-dev'. So, I though I might try installing dpkg-dev but this will now uninstall build-essential and like 50 hildon- and other maemo-related packages |
| 22:09.36 | the_lord | is there any way to tell modest to store emails instead of querying to the server each time I access to it? |
| 22:10.12 | woglinde | Shapeshifter I am doing this with lots of packages |
| 22:10.23 | woglinde | firs you have to change compat stuff |
| 22:10.42 | woglinde | for fremantle you can use debhelper7 stuff from extras |
| 22:10.44 | Jaffa | plugs mud, which can help with this stuff. |
| 22:10.49 | woglinde | there is a wiki page about |
| 22:10.59 | lbt | multi-user dungeons? |
| 22:11.12 | woglinde | otherwise you have to change compat and debhelper back to version 5 |
| 22:11.13 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 22:11.40 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: okay thanks I'll look into debhelper |
| 22:12.01 | lcuk | Jaffa, do you foresee still using mud to work on mer/cross platform? or is it specifically tailored around scratchboxisms? |
| 22:12.07 | lcuk | (meego) |
| 22:12.30 | woglinde | but there should be libcurl already |
| 22:12.51 | woglinde | hm mud? |
| 22:13.11 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: yes but not curl, the command line tool |
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| 22:13.24 | woglinde | sure? |
| 22:13.33 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: well I can't find it |
| 22:13.45 | Shapeshifter | apt-cache search curl doesn't reveal it |
| 22:14.00 | woglinde | hm fremantle or diablo? |
| 22:14.09 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: fremantle |
| 22:14.33 | timeless_mbp | $ sb2 -e |
| 22:14.33 | timeless_mbp | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 22:14.33 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.13 | javispedro | you won't survive kernel too old |
| 22:15.21 | javispedro | it's a nightmare. |
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| 22:15.46 | timeless_mbp | yum |
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| 22:16.27 | timeless_mbp | Linux 2.6.16-xenU #1 SMP Mon May 28 03:41:49 SAST 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 22:16.41 | timeless_mbp | why is that too old? |
| 22:16.43 | timeless_mbp | it's only 2007 |
| 22:16.49 | timeless_mbp | i was using linux in 2000! |
| 22:17.05 | Jaffa | lcuk: mud-built packages are, theoretically, abstracted from Scratchbox/deb/RPM |
| 22:17.10 | javispedro | 's server is still using 2.4 |
| 22:17.21 | Jaffa | lcuk: and could help with lbt's dream of "quickly re-package this upstream library for MeeGo" |
| 22:17.43 | lbt | :) |
| 22:18.06 | lcuk | yeah - so its your take on what the autobuilder and obs do? |
| 22:18.09 | Jaffa | 's packaging of python-evolution, for example, says "here's a tarball URL, go to it" |
| 22:18.27 | woglinde | Shapeshifter hm seems the maemo-maintainer cut the package out |
| 22:18.30 | woglinde | dont know why |
| 22:18.35 | javispedro | Jaffa: python-evo uses autoconf, or ... ? |
| 22:18.44 | Jaffa | lcuk: Autobuilder is definitely complementary; but there's a lot of stuff whereby you can script the creation of the packaging specification *and don't need to version control them* |
| 22:18.46 | javispedro | woglinde: space saving reasons. |
| 22:18.57 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: so um |
| 22:19.01 | woglinde | javis????? |
| 22:19.04 | Jaffa | javispedro: Err, think it uses the `python setup.py' pattern. |
| 22:19.10 | woglinde | curl is sperate package |
| 22:19.23 | woglinde | depening of course on libcurl |
| 22:19.53 | lcuk | jaffa, im only thinking from a migration POV - you have a slightly different view on it and obvious experience :) |
| 22:20.05 | woglinde | timeless 2.6.16 is ugly old |
| 22:20.06 | javispedro | Jaffa: interesting, and mud handles creating the entire package automatically when the tarball uses setup.py? |
| 22:20.23 | timeless_mbp | woglinde: it's a perfectly reasonable vintage! |
| 22:20.33 | timeless_mbp | i was even working at nokia at the time! |
| 22:20.33 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: well I love curl, I thought someone with more experience might port it but it's not happening so I'm trying my luck |
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| 22:20.48 | woglinde | shapeshifter its ported |
| 22:20.55 | SpeedEvil | Linux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le (root@rhl) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release/MontaVista)) #5 Ãù 3Ãà 4 13:37:03 CST 2006 is my oldest system that's currently up |
| 22:20.59 | Jaffa | javispedro: Well, it's a *little* bit more than just a URL - but not much |
| 22:21.02 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: where, how? |
| 22:21.06 | woglinde | but with out the curl package |
| 22:21.13 | Shapeshifter | ... |
| 22:21.17 | timeless_mbp | oh brother |
| 22:21.20 | woglinde | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_i386/libcurl3/7.18.2-8maemo5+0m5/ |
| 22:21.22 | timeless_mbp | meego/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped |
| 22:21.24 | Shapeshifter | I'm still talking about the command line tool |
| 22:21.39 | woglinde | ask Aapo Makela why he cut out commandline tool |
| 22:21.42 | timeless_mbp | so apps are built against specific kernel versions? |
| 22:21.50 | timeless_mbp | what kind of insane platform is this? |
| 22:21.51 | javispedro | timeless: when ABI breaks, yes |
| 22:21.58 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 22:22.04 | woglinde | Shapeshifter on debian libcurl and curl packages are build from same src |
| 22:22.21 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: can one cross compile to a specific kernel? |
| 22:22.25 | timeless_mbp | i'm not moving |
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| 22:22.33 | timeless_mbp | at least, not in any near future |
| 22:22.36 | lcuk | Jaffa, that sounds like when david says "obs needs a .tar.gz and a .dsc file" |
| 22:22.37 | Texrat | dudes |
| 22:22.45 | lcuk | Yo! Texrat |
| 22:22.46 | javispedro | timeless: that's the "nightmare" part. |
| 22:22.49 | Texrat | yo ho |
| 22:22.55 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: and you think asking him will get me curl sooner to the n900 then just porting it myself? |
| 22:22.58 | javispedro | 's server is using 2.6.31.5 |
| 22:23.03 | javispedro | er.. |
| 22:23.09 | javispedro | wrong machine :) |
| 22:23.15 | lcuk | server is using pr1.2 ;) |
| 22:23.21 | Texrat | lol |
| 22:23.32 | woglinde | Shapeshifter I would like to see it in a sane way |
| 22:23.36 | Texrat | hey, what about w00t' |
| 22:23.49 | javispedro | timeless: if you can set up a vm with the exact same setup --- way easier. |
| 22:23.51 | lcuk | w00t_ you mean |
| 22:23.53 | Texrat | w00t's theory? the more we mention "it", the more it's delayed |
| 22:23.56 | lcuk | and whats he done this time |
| 22:23.56 | woglinde | Shapeshifter wouldnt be good you compile it only localy for you |
| 22:24.05 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: sorry, i don't have infinite resources |
| 22:24.10 | timeless_mbp | heck, i don't have any resources |
| 22:24.18 | woglinde | hm I should give courses |
| 22:24.22 | w00t_ | nods, sagely |
| 22:24.29 | woglinde | "writing good debian-packages" |
| 22:24.41 | w00t_ | Texrat: it knows you wait it - and plays hard to get as a result |
| 22:24.53 | Texrat | damn the thing! |
| 22:25.09 | Texrat | if that's how it's gonan be I don't want it, sooo... |
| 22:25.10 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: well can't I just do it in a way autobuilder can build it and upload it to the queue? |
| 22:25.14 | lcuk | w00t_, i fixed totally the git problem from last week |
| 22:25.20 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: that's what I was planning |
| 22:25.22 | Texrat | pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 |
| 22:25.23 | lcuk | all the maemo optify boottime patches are nicely on git repo now |
| 22:25.31 | woglinde | Shapeshifter nope |
| 22:25.40 | Texrat | I just delayed it to next year |
| 22:25.44 | microlith | hits Texrat with a stick |
| 22:25.51 | woglinde | Shapeshifter as I said libcurl and curl comes from same source package |
| 22:25.53 | Texrat | ouches |
| 22:25.56 | w00t_ | lcuk: \o/ |
| 22:26.05 | woglinde | you would than have to libcurl packages in the repos |
| 22:26.11 | w00t_ | lcuk: what repo? I might have a nose around sometime |
| 22:26.13 | woglinde | not good and not wanted |
| 22:26.25 | woglinde | args |
| 22:26.29 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: oohkay |
| 22:26.30 | woglinde | s/to/two |
| 22:26.39 | lcuk | w00t_, maemo-optify-boottime on gitorious |
| 22:26.49 | woglinde | lcuk haha |
| 22:26.57 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 22:27.06 | Shapeshifter | so basically they left out this ~111K wonderful piece of software because... |
| 22:27.08 | timeless_mbp | my conversion moved from jul 23 to aug 13 |
| 22:27.09 | lcuk | woglinde, ? |
| 22:27.14 | lcuk | i broke git completely |
| 22:27.17 | timeless_mbp | so it did roughly 20 days in probably 20 hours |
| 22:27.21 | lcuk | driver error |
| 22:27.23 | Texrat | tsg meeting tomorrow bitches |
| 22:27.25 | woglinde | lcuk lol |
| 22:27.29 | lcuk | if it was a car it would be wrapped around a tree |
| 22:27.38 | woglinde | lcuk pointer to the patches? |
| 22:27.47 | timeless_mbp | Texrat: i think i'll be @ an osol ug instead :) |
| 22:27.49 | lcuk | and the tree would fall over and knockdown someone elses farmhouse |
| 22:27.56 | woglinde | lcuk no |
| 22:28.00 | lcuk | woglinde, on the repo |
| 22:28.06 | woglinde | *sigh* |
| 22:28.12 | woglinde | which repo? |
| 22:28.44 | lcuk | gitorious |
| 22:28.51 | lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime |
| 22:28.55 | woglinde | ah |
| 22:30.22 | Shapeshifter | woglinde: whoa... the internets... searching on google for 'Aapo Makela maemo' lists *this* chat we just had on 5th place! http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html also, is this logging done with permission I wonder |
| 22:31.30 | woglinde | Shapeshifter it is |
| 22:31.42 | woglinde | lcuk clean up the rules file |
| 22:31.50 | woglinde | why you need dh_perl? |
| 22:34.04 | lcuk | woglinde, leftovers, if you want to raise a bug so we can put things against and submit a patch it would be easier - im not commiting *any* mods without discussion no matter how trivial |
| 22:34.55 | woglinde | better depend on the tools using in the scripts |
| 22:35.01 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:35.04 | lcuk | nods |
| 22:35.26 | lcuk | its not harming things |
| 22:35.36 | Jaffa | lcuk: The maemo.org autobuilder just needs a .tar.gz and a .dsc file; but the .tar.gz need to contain a debian/ directory containing Makefiles with certain targets etc. |
| 22:36.05 | woglinde | jaffa o.O |
| 22:36.28 | lcuk | woglinde, ill happily run over anything with you tho so if you have questions etc after looking fire away |
| 22:36.47 | lcuk | because its something we obviously dont want problems with |
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| 22:41.07 | woglinde | sorry now time for security analysis |
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| 22:50.11 | javispedro | reads Sts's review thread. |
| 22:50.21 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: so... |
| 22:50.23 | timeless_mbp | i'm screwed? |
| 22:50.27 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 22:51.18 | javispedro | timeless: seems like your problem might be easier than mine, but wrong person to ask then (I don't know what changed between those versions) |
| 22:51.39 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: any idea how i'd figure out the changes? |
| 22:51.48 | timeless_mbp | google for linux abi gives me freebsd linux emulation |
| 22:52.13 | javispedro | years ago there was this .note section in ELF with the ABI version |
| 22:52.22 | javispedro | but I just check my binaries and it's not there. |
| 22:52.26 | javispedro | *-ed. |
| 22:52.32 | javispedro | so, dunno. |
| 22:53.27 | timeless_mbp | sadly i don't have strace or gdb yet |
| 22:54.43 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: whatcha trying to figure out? |
| 22:54.49 | javispedro | ah, here it is. .note.ABI-tag |
| 22:54.58 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: Stskeeps built me a meego tarball |
| 22:55.04 | rm_you | ah, neat |
| 22:55.06 | rm_you | i guess |
| 22:55.07 | timeless_mbp | but it's targetted to a 2.6.25 kernel |
| 22:55.12 | timeless_mbp | and i have 2.6.16 (?) |
| 22:55.30 | timeless_mbp | so nothing runs |
| 22:55.31 | rm_you | is that public-esque? or internal? |
| 22:55.50 | timeless_mbp | the tarball url is in the logs for this channel, i slurped it from here :) |
| 22:55.54 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:55.58 | timeless_mbp | or there, however you want to think about it |
| 22:55.59 | rm_you | so, public-esque :P |
| 22:56.15 | timeless_mbp | but ⦠i want to be able to *use* it... |
| 22:57.18 | rm_you | i've yet to find an rpm distro that i consider "usable" |
| 22:57.25 | rm_you | maybe meego will finally fix that? :/ |
| 22:58.04 | lcuk | gnite woglinde timeless_mbp rm_you rest of maemo etc |
| 22:58.14 | rm_you | nite lcuk |
| 22:58.19 | javispedro | gnite luck |
| 22:58.31 | javispedro | timeless: without rebuilding it? you might need to binary patch it |
| 22:58.33 | lcuk | javispedro \o |
| 22:58.55 | Arkenoi_ | fedora seems quite usable for me. but it is desktop distro. |
| 22:59.12 | javispedro | timeless: and chances are it will fail to find some glibc function or the like |
| 23:00.55 | opdf2 | if the n900 says fully charged and I keep the charger plugged in...does using it use battery or the AC? |
| 23:02.37 | FauxFaux | AC. |
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| 23:04.03 | MohammadAG | <opdf2> if the n900 says fully charged and I keep the charger plugged in...does using it use battery or the AC? |
| 23:04.03 | MohammadAG | <FauxFaux> AC. |
| 23:04.05 | MohammadAG | DC |
| 23:04.15 | MohammadAG | check before you say something ;) |
| 23:04.56 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: i'm ok w/ rebuilding libc (barely) |
| 23:05.07 | timeless_mbp | so long as i don't have to rebuild the whole platform |
| 23:05.33 | timeless_mbp | the charger converts AC to DC, no? :) |
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| 23:05.52 | rm_you | it uses the battery but the use is minimal enough that it recharges almost immediately, IIRC? |
| 23:06.02 | timeless_mbp | but the goal of the question was to ask "is it draining power from the wall or the battery" |
| 23:06.03 | MohammadAG | no |
| 23:06.11 | MohammadAG | it uses the battery and keeps dropping |
| 23:06.24 | MohammadAG | till it gets to some percentage, after which it kicks into charging mode again |
| 23:06.30 | MohammadAG | 85% I think |
| 23:06.31 | rm_you | interesting |
| 23:08.11 | FauxFaux | You sure? I have batterygraph and the charger that charges so slowly that it sometimes doesn't charge at all on my desk at work. |
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| 23:09.04 | timeless_mbp | FauxFaux: are you trickle charging at 0.1 amp instead of service charging at 0.5 amps? |
| 23:09.30 | FauxFaux | I don't know! |
| 23:09.47 | timeless_mbp | does it say 'charging' or 'mass storage' or 'pc suite'? |
| 23:09.56 | FauxFaux | Assumably charging. |
| 23:10.07 | timeless_mbp | charging is bad |
| 23:10.11 | timeless_mbp | it's a terrible translation |
| 23:10.18 | timeless_mbp | it's really "trickle charging" |
| 23:10.51 | FauxFaux | The fast charger says "Charging" too. |
| 23:11.01 | timeless_mbp | yeah well |
| 23:11.30 | timeless_mbp | there's a big difference between 1.2 amps and 0.1 amps! |
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| 23:11.57 | FauxFaux | Iirc the slow charger is 320ma. |
| 23:12.09 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 23:12.29 | timeless_mbp | usb lets devices draw 100ma w/o providing a service |
| 23:12.37 | timeless_mbp | if they provide a service, they can draw up to 500ma |
| 23:12.47 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: weird. never knew that |
| 23:12.55 | timeless_mbp | which? |
| 23:13.01 | FauxFaux | By "slow charger" I mean "the older-style hypodermic charger plugged into the provided convertor block". |
| 23:13.02 | rm_you | so by not putting my n900 in pc suite or something, it charges slower? |
| 23:13.18 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 23:13.21 | rm_you | crazy |
| 23:13.24 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:13.31 | rm_you | i wish i'd known that a long time ago |
| 23:13.35 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: the idea is that it's rude to steal power |
| 23:13.38 | rm_you | while trying to charge my device and failing :P |
| 23:13.41 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:14.07 | FauxFaux | I thought traditionally you got high power as soon as the driver bothered to load. But, then, pc suite is asteaming pile of shit and I haven't even bothered to install it to find out how much it fails. |
| 23:14.34 | timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus describes this stuff |
| 23:14.46 | javispedro | timeless: na, version tag is on every binary, and your dynamic loader is rejecting that (either because it compares it with current kernel or because it has it hardcoded) |
| 23:14.48 | timeless_mbp | FauxFaux: pc suite is basically usb-networking |
| 23:15.00 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: i can use perl to rewrite each binary |
| 23:15.02 | timeless_mbp | that's not a big deal |
| 23:15.13 | FauxFaux | Yet it doesn't work in so many ways. |
| 23:15.29 | timeless_mbp | FauxFaux: you don't need to install pc suite to be able to use pc suite mode |
| 23:15.38 | javispedro | timeless: grab a elf module; you need to edit contents of a section |
| 23:15.39 | timeless_mbp | so you can use pc suite mode and get 500ma |
| 23:15.44 | javispedro | *elf parsing perl module |
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| 23:16.10 | FauxFaux | Well, I have no idea where I put my usb cable and have wireless next to both of my machines so I don't really care. |
| 23:16.41 | PaulAnagrama | hi |
| 23:16.55 | javispedro | '.note.ABI-tag' will end with three uint32s: 2, 6, 25. you can guess what they're for :) |
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| 23:20.11 | javispedro | timeless: btw, note that even if you don't select a service in the n900, when plugged in via usb, it will act as a usb mass storage device (with no disks iirc) and grab 500mA. |
| 23:20.32 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: depends on the version of the maemo package :) |
| 23:20.43 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, some do that :) |
| 23:21.05 | javispedro | wonders what kind of glorified beagle board you have ;) |
| 23:21.41 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: the older system software most definitely didn't do that |
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| 23:21.53 | timeless_mbp | i don't remember if we changed it in time for 1.0 or if we changed it later |
| 23:22.15 | javispedro | ah, I didn't bother to check :P |
| 23:22.33 | javispedro | pretty ironic if "charge only" mode would charge more slowly =) |
| 23:22.49 | timeless_mbp | it really did originally |
| 23:23.16 | timeless_mbp | and unintentional irony is something we're pretty good at |
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| 23:23.32 | timeless_mbp | wonders why nokia is paying for 'nokia comes with music' ads for the finnish tv market |
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| 23:25.54 | woglinde | timeless lol |
| 23:26.32 | SpeedEvil | bjork? |
| 23:27.10 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:28.25 | njsf_ | SpeedEvil: last I checked Bjork was Icelandic not Finnish |
| 23:29.07 | SpeedEvil | Hence the oops. |
| 23:29.09 | SpeedEvil | Oh! |
| 23:29.15 | SpeedEvil | How could I have forgotten Lordi. |
| 23:29.36 | woglinde | hehe |
| 23:30.17 | SpeedEvil | Oh! Darude++ |
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| 23:46.45 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, same here |
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| 23:50.41 | rm_you | Darude is finnish? >_> |
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| 23:52.21 | javispedro | lol at "Whenever you want information on the 'net, don't ask a question; just post a wrong answer.", how true. |
| 23:52.23 | SpeedEvil | So says wikipedia. |
| 23:52.27 | javispedro | goes troll a bit more on tmo |
| 23:52.31 | SpeedEvil | And wikipedia never lies. |
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| 23:56.13 | svanheulen | hello |
| 23:58.40 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, only apple says that |
| 23:58.52 | MohammadAG | they quoted a wrong wikipedia statement when they sued Nokia XD |
| 23:59.33 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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