| 00:00.29 | zappa | MohammadAG: is it in english or arabic or french? |
| 00:00.30 | crashanddie | lcuk: yeah, it's the bathtub system |
| 00:00.39 | lcuk | ? |
| 00:00.40 | lcuk | its wrong |
| 00:00.42 | dima202 | yeah looks like there is no way. I have no problem listening to music at 100% or movies.. but alarm is so quiet... I tried different alarm clocks and they just wont bother my sleep at all |
| 00:00.43 | MohammadAG | zappa, english translation package available |
| 00:00.48 | MohammadAG | also in -testing |
| 00:01.03 | lcuk | dima202, use a sample recorded higher |
| 00:01.15 | lcuk | foghorn1.mp3 |
| 00:01.19 | zappa | @mohammadAG I have a buddy who is Islamic and he could check it out tomoorow perhpas |
| 00:01.20 | lcuk | or something :D |
| 00:01.21 | crashanddie | dima202: same problem here, I overslept quite a few times because I simply don't hear the N900 |
| 00:01.27 | MohammadAG | zappa, thanks :) |
| 00:01.33 | crashanddie | dima202: I had to resort to installing some alam clock app on my mbp -- that one is loud enough. |
| 00:02.13 | dima202 | mac book pro? |
| 00:02.24 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: I thought the dutch translation was pretty dodgy at times |
| 00:02.26 | crashanddie | dima202: yup |
| 00:02.27 | zappa | MohammadAG: suppose I could downlaoad the englosh and check it out just the same though. |
| 00:02.29 | dima202 | got ya |
| 00:02.50 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, you tried it? |
| 00:02.52 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: but then again, I've never used a computer in dutch, so i don't know if those were the standard terms used in computing, but it sounded really awkward. |
| 00:03.09 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: no, I just followed the thread on TMO, and looked at the .po file from the guy who offered the dutch translation |
| 00:03.18 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, so it wasn't really good? |
| 00:03.25 | MohammadAG | I didn't translate it obviously |
| 00:03.35 | crashanddie | well, again, I've never used a dutch computer, so i don't know if the terms are standard |
| 00:03.46 | MohammadAG | neither do I |
| 00:03.49 | crashanddie | but if they are, damn, dutch translators did a really silly job years ago -- however that's too late to change now |
| 00:03.50 | MohammadAG | I just added the .po file |
| 00:04.02 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: it's better than nothing, and you can easily understand what it means |
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| 00:04.05 | MohammadAG | do tell |
| 00:04.28 | GAN900 | iPad makes a nice crossword puzzle machine |
| 00:04.29 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: but yeah, it felt like they had used exact transliterations for most terms |
| 00:04.46 | zappa | Downloading Noor now... Feel like I'm gonna get hassled more at the airport suddenly |
| 00:04.56 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: might be worthwhile asking a native dutch to check it out... (poke X-Fade) |
| 00:04.57 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, so they sounded weird? |
| 00:05.17 | MohammadAG | well you poked him, no point in poking him again :) |
| 00:05.18 | Arkenoi | any ideas how to renice modest forever? |
| 00:05.51 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: not the islamic terms, those were spot on, just the "Go to x" and such |
| 00:06.08 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: he's sleeping now, you'll have to wait for a more decent time |
| 00:06.14 | MohammadAG | ah kk |
| 00:06.26 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: IIRC it's started in /etc/X11/x11.post/* or something |
| 00:06.32 | SpeedEvil | you could just start it under nice |
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| 00:07.52 | Arkenoi | grep -r modest /etc/X11/Xsession.post/ -- nothing :-( |
| 00:08.13 | SpeedEvil | Actually - no |
| 00:08.25 | zappa | MohammadADG my firs recation would be to allow scrolling without the scrollbar. |
| 00:08.31 | SpeedEvil | maybe it's started by the desktop |
| 00:10.07 | zappa | MohammadADG: ack im in full screen and can't get out |
| 00:10.25 | MohammadAG | F |
| 00:10.34 | MohammadAG | zappa, I'm working on scrolling |
| 00:10.48 | MohammadAG | can't find enough pyGTK examples (except pygtkeditor) |
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| 00:10.58 | MohammadAG | zappa, press F (it says that) |
| 00:12.03 | zappa | MohammadAG: thanks. f worked, I dont think the prompt told me aboujt that though. |
| 00:12.24 | MohammadAG | zappa, enter full screen mode again |
| 00:12.27 | MohammadAG | there should be a promt |
| 00:12.28 | crashanddie | dima202: yes, macbook pro |
| 00:12.31 | MohammadAG | prompt* |
| 00:12.38 | zappa | MohammadAG: I think its a neat application and a handy one at that. |
| 00:12.57 | MohammadAG | handy indeed, needed it for school which is why I ported it |
| 00:13.24 | zappa | MohammadAG: my bad it did say F to exit. Those yellow medsages go b so fast though. |
| 00:13.37 | MohammadAG | hildon's fault :P |
| 00:13.41 | zappa | aye |
| 00:14.19 | zappa | MohammadAG: I dunno if theres different parayers that are said 5 times a day but maybe sugest a prayer at a certain time? |
| 00:14.20 | MohammadAG | I can change it to the yellow wide one which shows in the center |
| 00:14.26 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: you can define the duration, or if the user should tap it out |
| 00:14.42 | MohammadAG | zappa, there's already an app for it |
| 00:14.48 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, using dbus-send? |
| 00:14.54 | crashanddie | though, banners should not be used for usability pointers |
| 00:15.29 | MohammadAG | I'm assuming that's a banner? |
| 00:15.49 | zappa | MohammaDG: I gotta eat but I'll have my buddy check it out tomorrow. Keep up the good work. |
| 00:16.01 | MohammadAG | thanks :) |
| 00:16.32 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: yes, that's a banner |
| 00:17.00 | crashanddie | basically, usability pointers should be displayed as part of your application -- not through popups or anything |
| 00:17.16 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, proposed method is? |
| 00:17.26 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: that would be like mplayer loading up a webpage telling you how to pause the video |
| 00:17.41 | crashanddie | overlay is usually a good idea |
| 00:17.45 | MohammadAG | says huh |
| 00:17.48 | crashanddie | Or as part of the "start menu' |
| 00:18.03 | crashanddie | Or make it intuitive xD |
| 00:18.23 | crashanddie | for example up down move the page, left right do the same as page down, page up |
| 00:18.24 | MohammadAG | I swear that word didn't exist/wasn't used till the iPhone came out |
| 00:18.39 | crashanddie | intuitive? |
| 00:18.48 | MohammadAG | ye |
| 00:18.58 | crashanddie | maybe because you never cared about user experience ;) |
| 00:19.13 | MohammadAG | I never care about that :) |
| 00:19.16 | crashanddie | but UX has been on the forefront of the mobile industry for quite some time |
| 00:19.24 | MohammadAG | I was going to uninstall hildon application manager |
| 00:19.33 | MohammadAG | but mp-fremantle-generic-pr needed it |
| 00:19.48 | crashanddie | also, use the backspace key to get back to the main menu |
| 00:19.52 | MohammadAG | (simply because I don't use it, and it's slow) |
| 00:19.58 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, main menu? |
| 00:20.02 | crashanddie | space is page down as well |
| 00:20.15 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: I haven't looked at your app, but I would definitely implement a main menu |
| 00:20.23 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, left/right aren't page up down |
| 00:20.32 | MohammadAG | wait wait wait |
| 00:20.37 | MohammadAG | what are we talking about lol |
| 00:20.44 | MohammadAG | thought you were talking about my app |
| 00:20.48 | crashanddie | I am |
| 00:20.50 | MohammadAG | up/down are up and down |
| 00:20.55 | MohammadAG | left/right aren't |
| 00:21.03 | crashanddie | but I never used it, so I'm just giving general ideas about usability |
| 00:21.04 | MohammadAG | space is down |
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| 00:21.25 | crashanddie | well, implement it: left and right should be up/down, but a lot quicker than up/down |
| 00:21.30 | MohammadAG | well I'm still trying to figure out pygtkeditor's code (it's a pain for newbies lol) |
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| 00:21.42 | MohammadAG | digs through noor's code |
| 00:21.44 | crashanddie | ask Khertan, he'll come online in roughly 6 hours |
| 00:21.55 | crashanddie | or later, 8-9 hours from now |
| 00:21.58 | MohammadAG | wow, you know when users wake up/go to sleep? |
| 00:22.02 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:22.06 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 00:22.18 | MohammadAG | now that's magic :P |
| 00:22.31 | MohammadAG | (less magical than the iPad though) |
| 00:22.32 | crashanddie | I just know where they live ;) |
| 00:22.58 | MohammadAG | does it matter :) |
| 00:23.05 | MohammadAG | it's 3:22 AM here |
| 00:23.13 | crashanddie | for example, dneary should be sleeping, but currently he's stuck in SF, so he might just pop n |
| 00:23.13 | crashanddie | pop in |
| 00:23.27 | dneary | crashanddie, You called? |
| 00:23.34 | crashanddie | see, told you |
| 00:23.35 | dneary | I'm here already |
| 00:23.37 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:23.45 | MohammadAG | SF? |
| 00:23.52 | MohammadAG | only sf I know is symbian-freak |
| 00:24.04 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: think city |
| 00:24.13 | MohammadAG | san fransisco |
| 00:24.16 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: largest asian community outside of asia |
| 00:24.17 | crashanddie | yay! |
| 00:24.27 | MohammadAG | lol it's just uncommon |
| 00:24.34 | MohammadAG | mostly everyone's from europe |
| 00:24.42 | crashanddie | again, uncommon for you |
| 00:24.58 | crashanddie | Think Global (r) |
| 00:25.16 | MohammadAG | uncommon for the interwebs actually :) |
| 00:25.40 | MohammadAG | gulps |
| 00:25.46 | MohammadAG | did I do something wrong? :P |
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| 00:27.59 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, another thing that bugged me in the app was the sura chooser |
| 00:28.06 | MohammadAG | it has black bars surrounding it |
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| 00:34.29 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: as i said, I havent' seen your app as of yet |
| 00:34.48 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, do you know what the arrows are defined as? |
| 00:35.04 | MohammadAG | seems like left and right are defined in the source, but they don't work in the app |
| 00:35.33 | MohammadAG | gtk.keysyms.Down: _next_line, |
| 00:35.44 | MohammadAG | up is _prev_line |
| 00:35.59 | MohammadAG | meaning the up and down keys actually scroll by numbers (not one line at a time) |
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| 01:11.09 | Macer | hm. n900 does support an su8w right? |
| 01:11.16 | Macer | or should i say bt hid? |
| 01:16.42 | acidjazz | that or get a diff phone |
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| 01:17.56 | MohammadAG | Macer, it does |
| 01:18.42 | MohammadAG | Macer, remove input from disabled modules in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf |
| 01:18.49 | Arkenoi | thinks on fresnel zoom lens for n900, Terry Gilliam style |
| 01:18.56 | MohammadAG | (will break the sixaxis support thing) |
| 01:19.00 | MohammadAG | anyways I'm off |
| 01:19.03 | MohammadAG | gnite |
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| 01:36.07 | crashanddie | Arkenoi: lmao |
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| 02:03.42 | crashanddie | Looks like the weed state finally pays for its mistakes: "Burglars break into prison to rob absent inmates; It would make a good gag for a comedy if it weren't actually true: thieves have broken into a Dutch prison to steal the inmates' televisions." |
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| 03:35.53 | KnightStalker | Hello |
| 03:36.07 | KnightStalker | Anyone around who can help me with the weird Easy Debian issue? |
| 03:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | reading backscroll, had a few good laughs on crashanddie's comments, and wonders if the aforementioned changed his medics recently, and if so, then what are the new ones and where to get |
| 03:37.05 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nope, never taken any medics, and hence not stopped |
| 03:37.38 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: though, just feeling a lot more relaxed lately, as I know I'll be going back to the family and Europe in just over a week. |
| 03:40.02 | crashanddie | KnightStalker: nobody can help you if the only information you provide is "weird issue" |
| 03:40.22 | KnightStalker | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50800&goto=newpost |
| 03:40.23 | crashanddie | KnightStalker: I'll admit people in this channel are generally very good, but still; you're asking for a miracle there. |
| 03:40.56 | KnightStalker | Sorry for that,thats because last time that I completely said everything about my issue |
| 03:41.08 | KnightStalker | I was kind of ignored,even by waiting about an hour no one replied to me |
| 03:41.23 | KnightStalker | so this time I just checked if someone is listining to me? |
| 03:41.24 | KnightStalker | :P |
| 03:41.57 | KnightStalker | the problem is that,I downloaded Easy Debian image file more then 10 times and everytime the thing I get is the file is corrupt |
| 03:42.12 | KnightStalker | I did download via download manager of my computer and my mobile |
| 03:42.23 | KnightStalker | and I receive many things via my download manager,they are all fine |
| 03:42.40 | KnightStalker | and in fact,downloading something 10 times makes sure that the problem is from some where else |
| 03:42.46 | crashanddie | qole.org? |
| 03:42.47 | crashanddie | Where are you downloading it from? |
| 03:42.48 | KnightStalker | so,the question is,what the problem is? |
| 03:42.52 | KnightStalker | qole.org |
| 03:42.52 | KnightStalker | yes |
| 03:43.58 | crashanddie | Sadly qole didn't put the hashes on the server |
| 03:44.11 | KnightStalker | :\ |
| 03:44.22 | crashanddie | Could be the image on the server is correct, but that would surprise me considering other people use it without issues |
| 03:44.43 | crashanddie | How are you transferring it to your N900? |
| 03:45.06 | KnightStalker | With USB |
| 03:45.16 | KnightStalker | and also some of the downloads were directly from my mobile |
| 03:45.22 | crashanddie | PC Suite or Mass Storage? |
| 03:45.32 | KnightStalker | Mass Storgae |
| 03:45.35 | KnightStalker | Storage* |
| 03:45.39 | KnightStalker | I don't like PC suite mode... |
| 03:45.45 | KnightStalker | but if its needed why not :P |
| 03:45.54 | crashanddie | No no |
| 03:46.07 | crashanddie | What's the full error message, exactly? |
| 03:46.14 | KnightStalker | wait |
| 03:48.14 | crashanddie | waits |
| 03:48.21 | KnightStalker | "debian 5/6 image with working audo(Main server)seems corrupted" |
| 03:48.41 | KnightStalker | and then click ok to retry and cancel to keep the file |
| 03:48.42 | KnightStalker | :\ |
| 03:48.58 | crashanddie | working audo( |
| 03:49.04 | crashanddie | ? |
| 03:49.14 | KnightStalker | Yes |
| 03:49.20 | KnightStalker | it was exactly what it said |
| 03:50.16 | crashanddie | sure it doesn't say "working audio (Main server) " |
| 03:51.37 | crashanddie | I see a german forum where some guy has the same problem as you |
| 03:51.39 | crashanddie | do you read german? |
| 03:51.45 | KnightStalker | Eh,no |
| 03:51.49 | KnightStalker | but I can use google translate |
| 03:51.51 | crashanddie | http://www.usp-forum.de/nokia-n900-forum/47086-probleme-bei-der-installation-von-easy-debian.html |
| 03:52.07 | crashanddie | Well, i can translate |
| 03:52.21 | crashanddie | they say that if you uncompress the lzma image, you should have a package roughly 2GB in size |
| 03:52.46 | KnightStalker | and? |
| 03:52.57 | crashanddie | Then they say to just run debian, and leave it running for the night |
| 03:52.58 | crashanddie | that what you did? |
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| 03:53.31 | KnightStalker | well,I didn't uncompress the lzma image file |
| 03:53.53 | KnightStalker | they said just run debian,but without that image file it says mount failure |
| 03:53.53 | crashanddie | wanna try it? |
| 03:54.02 | crashanddie | (at this point... you might as well) |
| 03:54.21 | KnightStalker | I will... :P |
| 03:54.38 | KnightStalker | its better then downloading it again </3 |
| 03:55.23 | KnightStalker | how can I extract lzma image files anyway? |
| 03:55.35 | crashanddie | 7z |
| 03:55.39 | crashanddie | or lzma :0 |
| 03:55.43 | KnightStalker | oh okay |
| 03:55.47 | crashanddie | what documentation are you following? |
| 03:56.27 | KnightStalker | I am not following any :P,I am just extracting lzma file as you said |
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| 03:57.08 | KnightStalker | I don't like this freenode country restricted message... |
| 03:59.50 | crashanddie | what message? |
| 03:59.52 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 04:01.18 | KnightStalker | see it yourself |
| 04:01.18 | KnightStalker | http://sourceforge.net/t7.php |
| 04:01.27 | KnightStalker | "Your request is being denied as it appears to be coming from a location banned by our Terms of Use." |
| 04:01.32 | KnightStalker | I used proxy ;) |
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| 04:02.54 | KnightStalker | data error file is broken :o |
| 04:03.44 | crashanddie | not freenode |
| 04:03.47 | crashanddie | that's sourceforge |
| 04:03.59 | KnightStalker | poor me |
| 04:04.08 | KnightStalker | oh,I said freenode :p |
| 04:04.13 | KnightStalker | sourceforge* |
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| 04:36.30 | Trizt | wonder why someone would have mentioned him... but sadly too small history to see it ... |
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| 04:41.35 | petteri | Trizt: room is logged: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 04:42.06 | Trizt | thanks |
| 04:43.31 | dragon900 | was anyone ever able to run java applets in the browser on the n900? |
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| 04:43.36 | Trizt | petteri, do you know which time zone the time is logged for? |
| 04:46.00 | Trizt | dragon900; never tried, but I doubt that there was a java plug-in for the browser... but I can't be wrong |
| 04:46.07 | dragon900 | Trizt: 0:36 EST = 7:36 log time |
| 04:46.31 | dragon900 | DST* |
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| 04:57.29 | RST38h | Hmmmm...Second time during a week, I find the phone in the morning with inoperational networking. Only reboot saves the day. |
| 04:57.33 | RST38h | WTF? And why now? |
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| 04:59.21 | Mace_N900 | good evening |
| 05:00.23 | ds3 | RST38h: I have seen that |
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| 05:01.46 | Trizt | RST38h; you have had bluetooth enabled at the same time? Those cases I have had both network and bluetooth enabled I got similar proplems |
| 05:01.59 | RST38h | EHLO Macer |
| 05:02.06 | Mace_N900 | hey |
| 05:02.14 | RST38h | does have BT enabled, but he had it enable for months now |
| 05:02.42 | Mace_N900 | another night of tinkering with my n900 |
| 05:02.48 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 05:03.39 | Mace_N900 | trying to find out where in xchat you set the color of the txt you type... it is like a dark gray |
| 05:04.04 | RST38h | Macer: It is a fixed color number from the palette |
| 05:04.11 | RST38h | Macer: Something like color 8 |
| 05:04.59 | RST38h | Macer: The gray I selected is more of a compromise color, making it lighter will screw up other things, making it darker will make text addressed to yourself unreadable |
| 05:06.40 | Trizt | shouldn't it work like the none maemo xchat, I have white for both me and all your replies |
| 05:09.47 | Mace_N900 | ah ok |
| 05:09.47 | Mace_N900 | no big deal.. just thought it was a little dark |
| 05:09.47 | Mace_N900 | still crossing the fingers for a portrait desktop ;) |
| 05:09.51 | Mace_N900 | i think the battery life on this thing is great |
| 05:10.10 | Mace_N900 | my g1 would last like 2 hours when heavily used |
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| 05:10.35 | Mace_N900 | although it did have a better qwerty |
| 05:12.25 | Trizt | yesterday I thought my battery had gone bad, when it was time to go home from work the battery was almost empty and I hadn't even been online, but then I noticed that it had been playing music all day |
| 05:12.52 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 05:13.05 | Mace_N900 | yeah.. it lasts a long time |
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| 05:13.15 | Mace_N900 | at least i think it does |
| 05:13.41 | Trizt | I got myself a porportia extra battery |
| 05:14.46 | Mace_N900 | someone here was saying there is a 3500mah for it but you cant use the cam or sd slot |
| 05:14.47 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 05:14.51 | Mace_N900 | wtf? |
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| 05:15.40 | RST38h | you can use the cam |
| 05:15.54 | Mace_N900 | oh? |
| 05:15.54 | RST38h | it looks monstrously though |
| 05:16.00 | Mace_N900 | hahaha |
| 05:16.05 | Mace_N900 | im sure |
| 05:16.17 | RST38h | they basically have a HOLE for the camera |
| 05:16.25 | RST38h | deep hole too |
| 05:19.29 | Trizt | any url ? |
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| 05:20.32 | opdf2 | anyone used to have a sony ericsson k800i or k790i? |
| 05:21.23 | Trizt | a couple of works ago, horrible things those se-phones |
| 05:21.47 | opdf2 | how does the n900 camera compare to them? i used those for awhile. |
| 05:22.06 | opdf2 | nm the xenon flash |
| 05:22.16 | RST38h | moo tekojo |
| 05:22.25 | Trizt | never used them to take photos, just used them to try out mobile solutions |
| 05:23.05 | RST38h | opdf2: n900 camera is obviously better, but still worse than a real point&shoot |
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| 05:23.30 | opdf2 | RST38h: u used a k800 or k790? |
| 05:23.50 | tekojo | Top of the morning to you RST38h! |
| 05:24.05 | RST38h | opdf2: got to fondle k800 |
| 05:24.17 | opdf2 | RST38h: i see |
| 05:24.55 | RST38h | opdf2: standard candy bar, nothing spectacular, standard crappy phone camera |
| 05:25.32 | RST38h | opdf2: N900 camera fares better than that, but do not expect miracles |
| 05:25.56 | opdf2 | RST38h: okay cool i was just wondering. i like the n900 camera |
| 05:27.28 | RST38h | "The primary criteria for the shuttles' location will be the stability of the site and whether the chosen institutions can exhibit them for the next 500 years." |
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| 05:27.48 | RST38h | Mhm...NASA expects US to stick around for the next 500 years... |
| 05:28.41 | naxu | at least someone is doing long term planning |
| 05:29.26 | RST38h | That's more of a wishful thinking thing though. |
| 05:29.43 | RST38h | Given the range :) |
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| 05:32.49 | Trizt | time to get to work :( |
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| 06:02.07 | opdf2 | whats the color depth of n900. gsmarena says 65k. i thought it was 16m |
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| 06:03.11 | opdf2 | nm nokia says 65k |
| 06:04.17 | Corsac | (II) FBDEV(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section |
| 06:04.20 | Corsac | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.23 | Corsac | (==) FBDEV(0): Depth 16, (==) framebuffer bpp 16 |
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| 06:10.25 | pollitishin | Kherton: I noticed in the python optimization thread on TMO you mention 'khteditor' |
| 06:10.58 | pollitishin | is that like PyGtKEditor, just in Qt, or for writing Qt code? |
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| 06:12.50 | pollitishin | Khertan: is 'kheditor' something which is now available for maemo 4/5 ? |
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| 06:19.07 | Stskeeps | wtf @ people 'hey dont distrub me with ur mails yaaaaaaaaaaaa' |
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| 06:21.21 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I wtf'd too |
| 06:22.39 | Stskeeps | especially since it's not first time it has happened |
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| 06:23.27 | crashanddie | At least he didn't top-quote |
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| 06:25.28 | TigerTael | top-quoting is inexcusable. |
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| 06:27.00 | crashanddie | well, the problem is that most corporate mail clients don't support anything else |
| 06:27.12 | crashanddie | Outlook 2003 and 2007: Impossible to not top-quote |
| 06:27.13 | Stskeeps | i'm still wondering if there's a good reply-to thing in gmai |
| 06:27.13 | Stskeeps | l |
| 06:27.31 | crashanddie | Lotus Notes: Impossible to not top-quote (if you want to quote at all) |
| 06:27.56 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: what, you mean setting the RT to another value than the default? |
| 06:28.25 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: well, meego-dev always catches me replying straight to the person instead of to list, when i don't do reply all |
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| 06:28.36 | Stskeeps | there's no Reply-To: header on the lists, so |
| 06:28.45 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: yeah, but that's because of the list crunching the headers |
| 06:28.59 | Stskeeps | while i don't want to go into that insane discussion, some claimed thunderbird etc handles it |
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| 06:29.32 | Stskeeps | so i'm wondering if i am missing a setting |
| 06:29.57 | crashanddie | well, you can set a generic reply-to per email address |
| 06:30.12 | crashanddie | but that means you need to change that setting everytime you reply to meego, and then unset it afterwards |
| 06:30.40 | mece | hey finland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEM41srbrWY |
| 06:30.43 | mece | enough said. |
| 06:31.22 | adeus | yup that sums it up |
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| 06:31.55 | mece | quite a shock to get up this morning. |
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| 06:32.18 | adeus | it snowed |
| 06:33.47 | LiraNuna | what's libGLES_CM ? |
| 06:33.56 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: libglesv1 |
| 06:33.59 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 06:34.04 | Stskeeps | ie, GLES 1.0 |
| 06:34.12 | LiraNuna | I can link to it but can't execute |
| 06:34.17 | LiraNuna | it says it's missing from my device |
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| 06:34.40 | Stskeeps | yeah, not installed by default i think |
| 06:35.59 | LiraNuna | I'm trying to compile one of IT's demo |
| 06:36.07 | LiraNuna | it says it's OGL ES2 but if I link with it it fails |
| 06:36.24 | LiraNuna | (lots of undefined refs) |
| 06:36.30 | LiraNuna | linking with _CM is fine, however |
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| 06:40.58 | Stskeeps | use -lEGL and -lGLESv2 |
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| 06:45.00 | opdf2 | lol i got an update to install ovi suite to only find out n900 is not compatible |
| 06:45.06 | opdf2 | and man that installer eats ram |
| 06:45.07 | LiraNuna | <Stskeeps> use -lEGL and -lGLESv2 |
| 06:45.09 | LiraNuna | tried both |
| 06:45.17 | Stskeeps | hmm, ok |
| 06:45.19 | LiraNuna | link errors with those except _CM |
| 06:46.57 | fragment | LiraNuna: what kind of errors? GLESv1 functions missing? |
| 06:47.07 | LiraNuna | hol don |
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| 06:48.32 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/private/3mr2kd1yttqghzlzg2t7hg |
| 06:49.51 | fragment | LiraNuna: you need both EGL and GLESv2 |
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| 06:50.52 | LiraNuna | fredix, oh |
| 06:50.53 | LiraNuna | I see |
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| 07:01.48 | opdf2 | any tips on getting the Vikuiti dqc-160 on without bubbles? |
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| 07:12.09 | oem | hi |
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| 07:14.10 | oem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.37 | oem | floating point exception core dumped |
| 07:15.00 | oem | can anyone guide me how to solve |
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| 07:22.02 | mece | oem, are you running it in ARMEL mode? |
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| 07:22.53 | dima202 | sorry about that |
| 07:23.17 | jacekowski | morning |
| 07:23.42 | dima202 | morning jacekowski |
| 07:24.13 | dima202 | Have you had any shortcuts dissapear from your desktop after a reboot? |
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| 07:44.44 | Shapeshifter | dima202: not when the shutdown was done properly (device had the chance to save your settings). taking out the battery, it can happen afaik. |
| 07:45.03 | Shapeshifter | (wasn't the 'sync' command for saving these kinds of settings?) |
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| 07:53.11 | Khertan_ | Hi ! |
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| 08:14.33 | mece | you really appreciate the resolution on the N900 when you view screenshots on a big monitor... |
| 08:14.34 | mece | http://twitpic.com/1hpd9l/full |
| 08:16.09 | marmoute | mece: what are you porting |
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| 08:16.37 | Khertan_ | marmoute: look like might and magic 3 :) |
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| 08:17.33 | marmoute | Khertan_: yop. but I supppose MM3 is closed sources an still copyrighted |
| 08:17.42 | mece | marmoute it was this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=618352&postcount=50 |
| 08:17.46 | mece | it's Might and Magic 2 |
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| 08:18.37 | mece | I'm sorta working on getting it to devel but having a hard time packaging it. |
| 08:18.43 | frals | mmm homm, awesome |
| 08:18.44 | Appiah | OH MY GOD |
| 08:18.45 | frals | need to get it |
| 08:18.46 | Appiah | Awesome |
| 08:19.11 | mece | frals, to my surprise it works very well :) |
| 08:19.19 | Khertan_ | mece: packaging is most of the time longer than porting :) |
| 08:19.31 | mece | Khertan_, damn straight. annoying as hell. |
| 08:19.34 | Scelt | mece: HOMM! \o/ |
| 08:20.09 | Khertan_ | mece: yep ... this is one of the reason that i revoke my garage account and stopping upload to extras-* repository and made my own |
| 08:20.28 | mece | You need the original data files btw. You can buy the gold edition for 9 bucks. |
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| 08:21.28 | mece | I can't work on it right now because a friend of mine slept in my computer room, so he turned off the noisy computer, and I forgot to turn it on in the morning. Dammit. |
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| 08:31.28 | oem | hi can anyone help me to solve floating point exception inside scratchbox |
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| 08:33.27 | marmoute | oem: what kind of fpe ? |
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| 08:35.58 | fragment | LiraNuna: did you get the app to link? |
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| 08:36.36 | oem | not able to execute qt application inside scratchbox and the error is Floating point exception(core dumped) |
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| 09:01.42 | yigal | has anyone played with the aigo n500? |
| 09:01.53 | Stskeeps | nop, you? |
| 09:02.33 | yigal | nope, looks pretty good wondering what price in the US it can be obtained for, at all |
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| 09:03.27 | oem | not able to execute qt application inside scratchbox and the error is Floating point exception(core dumped),can anyone help me |
| 09:04.22 | yigal | probably a smartQ would be about the same for me |
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| 09:05.14 | crashanddie | haha, champion runner caught for doing steroids, claims "the steroids were in a penis enlargement product I purchased over the counter" |
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| 09:07.12 | SpeedEvil | contemplates 'ignore the hose connected to the large winch at the finish line - it's just a penis enlarger'. |
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| 09:14.32 | mortal | when will the n900 price go to half the current one |
| 09:15.00 | yigal | and the screen size increase by 125% |
| 09:15.27 | MiXu- | In your opinion, what's the current price of N900? :) |
| 09:15.37 | MiXu- | (or in your area) |
| 09:15.49 | yigal | probably too high |
| 09:15.57 | mortal | 500 eur or so I think |
| 09:16.03 | yigal | yikes |
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| 09:16.20 | MiXu- | At least 1 year |
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| 09:16.40 | mortal | I have currently nokia e90 as my main phone |
| 09:16.51 | mortal | I will switch to the n900 when it becomes affordable |
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| 09:17.05 | achipa | curses at Nokia Messaging being linked to the SIM |
| 09:17.07 | mortal | and nokia n800 also but it is not a phone |
| 09:17.47 | nid0 | in realistic terms, youll never see the n900 at half it's current price |
| 09:18.23 | mortal | used |
| 09:18.43 | Markus23 | or when n1000 comes out :-) |
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| 09:19.07 | nid0 | I find it quite peculiar though that you currently own the most expensive phone nokia have ever made, and are now not buying a new one that's 2/3 the price because its too expensive |
| 09:19.24 | achipa | nid0: that depends on where you live. Looking over from this side of the Atlantic, the N900 costs half price in the US already ;) |
| 09:19.34 | mortal | nid0: I bought it used a while ago |
| 09:20.00 | mortal | the qwerty keyboard is verry nice |
| 09:20.01 | nid0 | you can get them for $300? |
| 09:20.21 | mortal | I paid 250 eur used a year+ ago |
| 09:20.22 | achipa | no, but 300$ is not half of 550 euros, either :) |
| 09:20.22 | mortal | iirc |
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| 09:21.18 | nid0 | $300 is half of what they originally retailed for in the US though afaik? comparing price saving between usd and euro is pointless because theyre more expensive in euros and £ anyway |
| 09:21.55 | achipa | nid0: it was a joke |
| 09:22.16 | nid0 | but yea mortal if the e90's keyboard is your killer feature, you should avoid the n900 anyway |
| 09:22.39 | nid0 | nokia have never reproduced anything close to the keyboard on the e90, and sadly the n900's one doesnt improve things |
| 09:22.41 | yigal | I say why 3.5" and why a brick it makes no sense imo |
| 09:23.00 | MiXu- | N97 mini keyboard is pretty good imo |
| 09:23.05 | mortal | too bad, then I'll stick to my e90 + n800 combo for long |
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| 09:23.38 | MiXu- | N900 kicks E90 ass hands down |
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| 09:23.55 | nid0 | except in quite a few areas |
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| 09:24.12 | FauxFaux | Like, the availability of non-free stuff starting with S. /o\ |
| 09:24.15 | MiXu- | Well yes, there are some things that aren't quite ready yet in Maemo. |
| 09:24.20 | nid0 | e90's more usable as a phone, more usable as a mail client, has an infinitely better screen, and more usable as a defensive weapon |
| 09:24.30 | nid0 | screen = keyboard* |
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| 09:24.42 | MiXu- | lol |
| 09:24.46 | nid0 | and looks nicer. :< |
| 09:25.03 | MiXu- | But S60. :( |
| 09:25.29 | Stskeeps | it would be good if there was a choice between s60 and meego on all nokia phones |
| 09:25.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:25.36 | Stskeeps | well, at least those capable of running |
| 09:25.38 | nid0 | meh, needs must. s80 was nicer but wasnt widely enough used for a decent range of applications |
| 09:25.52 | nid0 | frankly, the e90 could probably handle maemo fairly well |
| 09:26.08 | lcuk | lol Stskeeps thats just repeating same lines ive been saying for ages :p |
| 09:27.15 | nid0 | n900's battery compared to e90 also makes me cry :< |
| 09:27.39 | nid0 | same volume, less powerful in the n900, and drains it several times quicker |
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| 09:28.24 | Torne | desperately resists the urge to comment :) |
| 09:28.29 | MohammadAG | lo #maemo |
| 09:28.55 | yigal | come on it's more functional than the neo freerunner what do you want |
| 09:29.02 | achipa | Stskeeps: how many armv7 nokias ? :P |
| 09:29.06 | pupnik | ;) Torne |
| 09:29.19 | Stskeeps | achipa: actually i don't know if there's any armv7 symbian phones from nokia |
| 09:29.27 | Torne | Stskeeps: there aren't yet, no |
| 09:29.30 | MohammadAG | armv7? |
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| 09:29.43 | MohammadAG | is that the cortex? |
| 09:29.55 | Torne | cortex-A8 is one ARMv7 core, yes |
| 09:30.07 | MohammadAG | nope, none from nokia |
| 09:30.23 | MohammadAG | they're still using the 434MHz ones |
| 09:30.28 | MohammadAG | 11 I think |
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| 09:30.49 | achipa | Stskeeps: plus, 800x480 is in set in concrete... |
| 09:30.57 | MohammadAG | I think the 1st symbian device to use it was the omnia HD |
| 09:31.01 | Stskeeps | achipa: that is true, too |
| 09:31.13 | achipa | MohammadAG: that's ARM11 (v7 is the instruction set) |
| 09:31.13 | SpeedEvil | achipa: that'll make it too heavy. |
| 09:31.28 | pupnik | symbian seemed snappier than maemo |
| 09:31.38 | TigerTael | lol |
| 09:31.39 | yigal | nokia n8x0 arm11 |
| 09:31.42 | MohammadAG | cause there are no transitions |
| 09:31.56 | MohammadAG | speed's good on the N900 |
| 09:32.04 | MohammadAG | much better than the n97 |
| 09:32.19 | SpeedEvil | There is also lack of prefetching. |
| 09:32.23 | yigal | I like beer over speed |
| 09:32.29 | yigal | just a preference |
| 09:32.43 | SpeedEvil | where the absolute amount of data is small - it's rational to eat it as a lump in many cases. |
| 09:32.47 | achipa | Stskeeps: will be fun to see what the stance wrt resolutions will be in the MeeGo ui-s |
| 09:32.57 | achipa | Stskeeps: or harmattan, for that matter |
| 09:32.59 | crashanddie | Khertan_: faut que tu permette aux gens de choisir leur police dans PyGTKEditor ;) |
| 09:33.02 | SpeedEvil | so you don't ever need to load it in where the user may see it |
| 09:33.08 | Stskeeps | achipa: hopefully more flexible due to qt |
| 09:33.57 | achipa | Stskeeps: Not sure it's related to the toolkit... you can make a (sad) fixed-res UI in qt just as easy :P |
| 09:34.05 | Stskeeps | true |
| 09:34.07 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: c'est deja le cas :) |
| 09:34.13 | crashanddie | Khertan_: marche pas |
| 09:34.18 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: menteur |
| 09:34.20 | crashanddie | Khertan_: le bouton OK ne fonctionne pas |
| 09:34.21 | achipa | i.e. I don't see no guarantee there won't be shortcuts taken |
| 09:34.23 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 09:34.24 | Khertan_ | gnié ? |
| 09:34.27 | crashanddie | yep |
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| 09:34.37 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: oh ... ca marche pour moi pourtant |
| 09:34.46 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: une erreur en particulier dans la console ? |
| 09:34.46 | crashanddie | Khertan_: quand je vais dans les preferences, je peux tout modifier, mais le bouton OK ne fait rien... J'suis oblige d'annuler la fenetre |
| 09:34.53 | crashanddie | j'ai pas teste dans la console |
| 09:34.55 | crashanddie | atta |
| 09:34.57 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: quel version ? |
| 09:35.00 | nid0 | -testing needs more resters :< |
| 09:35.04 | nid0 | testers* |
| 09:35.25 | Khertan_ | nid0: testing need propers rules before |
| 09:35.40 | crashanddie | Khertan_: 3.0.14 |
| 09:36.01 | Khertan_ | 2s je regarde si la j'ai corrigé ca en 3.0.15 dans le changelog |
| 09:36.41 | crashanddie | Khertan_: j'ai une erreur |
| 09:36.46 | Khertan_ | ah ? |
| 09:36.51 | crashanddie | dans pge_preferences.py, line 39 |
| 09:37.11 | crashanddie | f = open(os.path.expanduser("~")+"/.pygtkeditor",'w') |
| 09:37.11 | Khertan_ | j'ai modifié deux trois truc dans les prefs en 3.0.15 tu peux tester si cela est toujours le cas ? |
| 09:37.26 | Khertan_ | ah ca sent l'erreur de prefs arg |
| 09:37.31 | crashanddie | IOError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/home/user/.pygtkeditor' |
| 09:37.39 | Khertan_ | hu ? |
| 09:38.24 | Khertan_ | tu as quoi dans le dossier .pygtkeditor ? |
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| 09:38.40 | crashanddie | history |
| 09:39.06 | Khertan_ | tu n'aurais pas recup un home de maemo 4 avec pygtkeditor 2 ? |
| 09:39.20 | crashanddie | Khertan_: euh... non |
| 09:39.24 | Khertan_ | etrange |
| 09:39.36 | Khertan_ | bah tu peux le delete en toute tranquilité |
| 09:39.41 | Khertan_ | installer la 3.0.15 |
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| 09:39.53 | crashanddie | quoique... J'avais installe ta toute premiere version de pyGTKEditor que t'avais release lors du summit |
| 09:39.53 | Khertan_ | et reporter le bugs sur http://khertan.net/flyspray |
| 09:40.04 | Khertan_ | ah ... oui ca vient peut etre de la |
| 09:40.08 | crashanddie | :) |
| 09:40.12 | Khertan_ | ceci dit ... a fixer tout de meme |
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| 09:40.32 | Khertan_ | c'est une hérésie de ma part de ne pas checker avant |
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| 09:40.46 | Khertan_ | et d'avoir foutu un execpt: pass |
| 09:40.57 | Khertan_ | ah non y'a pas d'except |
| 09:41.00 | Khertan_ | c est deja ca :) |
| 09:41.20 | Khertan_ | et tu aurais eu la 3.0.15 tu aurais pu report directement depuis l'appli dans le flyspray l'erreur :) |
| 09:41.30 | crashanddie | voui voui |
| 09:41.37 | Khertan_ | sinon pour la 3.0.15 c'est pas dans les depot maemo bien sur ... |
| 09:41.52 | fcrozat | this is not a french channel |
| 09:41.53 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: http://khertan.net/news_en.php < |
| 09:41.59 | Khertan_ | fcrozat: are you sure ? |
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| 09:42.12 | fcrozat | Khertan_: absolutely.. |
| 09:42.26 | Khertan_ | fcrozat: there is no rules about that in the topic :) |
| 09:42.44 | fcrozat | well, if you prefer to be kicked.. |
| 09:42.51 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 09:42.53 | crashanddie | seriously? |
| 09:42.56 | Khertan_ | rohhh |
| 09:42.58 | crashanddie | you think I'm going to get kicked? |
| 09:43.04 | Khertan_ | lol |
| 09:43.23 | Khertan_ | rohhh ... the so old admin irc kick war game ... |
| 09:43.24 | fcrozat | I think there are more people in english here than in french |
| 09:43.33 | MohammadAG | requests a kick |
| 09:43.36 | Khertan_ | fcrozat: of course ... |
| 09:43.45 | crashanddie | fcrozat: though, point taken, we'll take it in private, however, NEVER, EVER, pretend to have op powers again. |
| 09:43.48 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 09:43.55 | MohammadAG | yay crashanddie took his pills |
| 09:43.57 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 09:44.00 | fcrozat | crashanddie: where did I pretend so ? |
| 09:44.10 | crashanddie | 19:42 < fcrozat> well, if you prefer to be kicked.. |
| 09:44.20 | lcuk | he never said he would be the one to do it |
| 09:44.21 | fcrozat | crashanddie: again, where did I pretend so ? |
| 09:44.26 | nid0 | that reads to me that he was just attempting to predict a likely scenario |
| 09:44.29 | nid0 | rather than do it himself |
| 09:44.33 | lcuk | nods |
| 09:44.35 | Appiah | oh noes.. |
| 09:44.36 | Khertan_ | hop hop ... stop flamming ... we will continue our discussion in private ... |
| 09:44.48 | Khertan_ | anyway it s wake up a bit the channel :) |
| 09:46.13 | MohammadAG | sees a tumbleweed rolling by... |
| 09:47.34 | crashanddie | plays ennio morricone |
| 09:47.42 | Appiah | takes a ride on a tumbleweed |
| 09:47.59 | lcuk | hits MohammadAG on the head with study guide |
| 09:48.31 | MohammadAG | gives lcuk a slice of bacon as thanks |
| 09:49.21 | crashanddie | removes lcuk's battery |
| 09:49.30 | crashanddie | no iron man for you this weekend! |
| 09:49.52 | MohammadAG | takes crashanddie to the vet |
| 09:49.58 | FIQ | places a huge nuke bomb on the channel. Detonates in: 30secs |
| 09:50.14 | MohammadAG | hears the tactical nuke countdown |
| 09:50.21 | MohammadAG | defuses the bomb |
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| 09:51.57 | FIQ | slaps MohammedAG |
| 09:52.06 | Corsac | hmh, yummy, grsec kernel on n900 |
| 09:52.37 | FIQ | s/e/a/ |
| 09:52.59 | frals | slaps lcuk with a pig |
| 09:53.44 | MohammadAG | punches FIQ with a Mugen battery |
| 09:54.35 | FIQ | is taking a rest |
| 09:54.41 | FIQ | *zzzzzzzzzzz* |
| 09:54.47 | MohammadAG | disturbs FIQ |
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| 10:03.52 | MohammadAG | the media player's being annying |
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| 10:11.07 | Markus23 | Is there a kernel with jfs? |
| 10:14.40 | crashanddie | jumps out of MohammadAG's car on the way to the vet |
| 10:14.47 | crashanddie | goes to get dinner |
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| 10:15.19 | crashanddie | fcrozat|lunch: btw, there are no rules in this channel, especially with regards to language, behaviour and stuff like that |
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| 10:15.42 | crashanddie | fcrozat|lunch: if you wish to help, you can always draft some guidelines and submit them for review |
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| 10:18.04 | MohammadAG | grabs crashanddie from his nick |
| 10:18.19 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 10:18.27 | MohammadAG | neck* |
| 10:18.37 | MohammadAG | sorry, used to the word nick :P |
| 10:18.44 | MohammadAG | puts him back in the car |
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| 10:24.35 | Arkenoi | nid0: n900 price in russia is already cut in half. when it was just new, the price was $1K, now you may buy it for $500 or nearly so |
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| 10:30.00 | SpeedEvil | That's promising. |
| 10:30.21 | SpeedEvil | By the end of the year, if that trend continues, it should be $180 or so. |
| 10:31.01 | MohammadAG | Khertan, GPG error: http://khertan.net fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 |
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| 10:32.35 | dubzii | got my n900 since yesterday.... epic! |
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| 10:45.26 | lcuk | RST38h, eep i tried disabling the vibration and stuff but couldnt |
| 10:45.34 | lcuk | can i just remove the notification plugin somehow? |
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| 10:47.22 | MohammadAG | lcuk, remove the .so file |
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| 10:48.10 | MohammadAG | lcuk, /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/xchat_notify.so |
| 10:49.36 | lcuk | thanks MohammadAG |
| 10:49.42 | MohammadAG | np |
| 10:49.44 | lcuk | but that will revert after next update wont it |
| 10:49.48 | MohammadAG | lcuk, enable the pop up |
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| 10:49.55 | MohammadAG | nah, he's removing it |
| 10:50.00 | MohammadAG | I think |
| 10:50.01 | lcuk | its the middle of the night pings that get us |
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| 10:50.17 | lcuk | i wonder if the plugin can access the preference options |
| 10:50.18 | MohammadAG | lcuk, if you're running a fullscreen app it crashes it |
| 10:50.23 | lcuk | to use those to choose whether to buzz |
| 10:50.37 | MohammadAG | i use DocScrutinizer's method |
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| 10:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~buzzfix |
| 10:51.30 | infobot | buzzfix is, like, http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html ff. |
| 10:52.04 | MohammadAG | lcuk, http://pastebin.com/4XGgBE7v © DocScrutinizer |
| 10:52.05 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:53.28 | MohammadAG | i edited the plugin and recompiled it |
| 10:53.38 | MohammadAG | let's say it didn't work out well |
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| 10:56.23 | mece | Grrrrrr aAAAaargh! |
| 10:56.38 | mece | damn you stupid packaging guides and your annoying assumptions! |
| 10:56.44 | mece | ~curse packaging |
| 10:56.45 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, packaging ! |
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| 10:57.56 | amigadave | mece: the wiki guide? what's the problem? i can fix it |
| 10:58.13 | mece | the problem is that I have a Makefile |
| 10:58.15 | mece | that is all. |
| 10:58.23 | mece | it has only make and make clean options. |
| 10:58.46 | mece | I don't have Makefile.ac I dont have Makefile.in I don't have configure.ac I don't have configure.in |
| 10:58.53 | mece | the guides assume I have something like that. |
| 10:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke autotools |
| 10:59.10 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at autotools ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 10:59.27 | amigadave | well, packaging with just a Makefile is even easier if you just have one binary |
| 10:59.37 | MohammadAG | why don't Bâ¢â¢M! those show up |
| 10:59.42 | mece | well when it's done there is just one binary. |
| 10:59.42 | MohammadAG | on the N900 |
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| 10:59.49 | mece | amigadave tell me more. |
| 10:59.51 | MohammadAG | (same problem with my app) |
| 11:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: UTF-8? |
| 11:00.18 | MohammadAG | doesn't xchat support it? |
| 11:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that's probably another codepage |
| 11:00.23 | amigadave | you should able to have a debian/<name-of-binary-package>.install |
| 11:00.25 | zokier | probably the font used in n900 doesn't have those characters |
| 11:00.38 | amigadave | and in that file put "<compiled-binary-name> <destination>" |
| 11:00.43 | mece | amigadave, there is no install script in the Makefile |
| 11:00.46 | amigadave | i will find an example... |
| 11:00.53 | mece | ah ok. |
| 11:00.54 | mece | I see. |
| 11:00.56 | mece | sounds nice |
| 11:01.08 | MohammadAG | mece, check debian/rules |
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| 11:01.29 | mece | MohammadAG, there is no debian, so no debian/rules, naturally. |
| 11:01.39 | mece | I did generate one that didn't work though. |
| 11:01.47 | mece | with some command that generates the debian/ studd. |
| 11:01.48 | mece | stuff |
| 11:02.11 | mece | I think I need that install thing that amigadave was talking about. |
| 11:02.24 | amigadave | well, it is one option |
| 11:02.28 | amigadave | there might be a better one |
| 11:02.38 | MohammadAG | mece, dh_make |
| 11:02.43 | MohammadAG | assuming you used that |
| 11:02.47 | mece | MohammadAG, that's what I did. |
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| 11:03.15 | MohammadAG | it generates a rules file which executes make install |
| 11:03.26 | MohammadAG | so either edit it (or use pypackager) |
| 11:03.51 | mece | MohammadAG, the Makefile doesn't have an install option. |
| 11:04.02 | MohammadAG | then edit it |
| 11:04.06 | MohammadAG | or use pypackager |
| 11:04.14 | MohammadAG | (works for non python apps) |
| 11:04.17 | mece | oo |
| 11:04.19 | mece | ok.. |
| 11:04.20 | mece | waitup |
| 11:04.38 | mece | installing pypackager |
| 11:04.43 | MohammadAG | just put your files in the directories you want to copy to |
| 11:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo Bâ¢â¢M|od -ch |
| 11:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | 0000000 B 342 230 242 342 230 242 M \n |
| 11:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.30 | mece | ok, have pypackager.. |
| 11:06.15 | MohammadAG | mece, if it helps http://pastebin.com/Bxf3kcux |
| 11:08.17 | mece | MohammadAG, thanks |
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| 11:13.21 | amigadave | mece: i had a search and came up with http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-install |
| 11:13.35 | amigadave | but feel free to use whichever technique works for you :) |
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| 11:14.36 | mece | thanks amigadave, I'll check it out. Trying pypackager first. |
| 11:14.58 | mece | MohammadAG, does this pypackager thing still run "make" ? |
| 11:15.09 | MohammadAG | no |
| 11:15.17 | amigadave | alternatively, i would gladly autotoolize your project ;) |
| 11:15.18 | MohammadAG | it copies files under directories |
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| 11:15.32 | MohammadAG | so just put them in a work directory called src |
| 11:15.42 | MohammadAG | and put the files as you want them to be copied |
| 11:15.47 | mece | MohammadAG, but they are c++ source files |
| 11:15.57 | MohammadAG | example: src/usr/bin/app |
| 11:16.00 | MohammadAG | mece, err |
| 11:16.04 | MohammadAG | compile them then |
| 11:16.09 | MohammadAG | compile with make |
| 11:16.12 | mece | MohammadAG, righty. |
| 11:16.20 | MohammadAG | then copy the binaries |
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| 11:16.38 | mece | MohammadAG, wont I miss the source files in the repo then? |
| 11:16.43 | mece | or err.. |
| 11:16.56 | MohammadAG | mece, well, yes lol |
| 11:16.57 | mece | perhaps I'm not getting this correctly. |
| 11:17.04 | MohammadAG | mece, actually |
| 11:17.12 | MohammadAG | just use pypackager to package it |
| 11:17.22 | MohammadAG | then edit the rules file |
| 11:17.25 | mece | righty. |
| 11:17.30 | mece | I'll try it. |
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| 11:19.51 | andre__ | what's the latest hip fashion for MSN on the N900 currently? pecan? pidgin protocols? something else? |
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| 11:20.12 | evilBunny | eya all |
| 11:20.51 | mece | feck. |
| 11:21.01 | mece | cat <binary file> not cool. |
| 11:21.47 | gevaerts | Depends. Did you print something accidentally? |
| 11:21.55 | mece | yep. |
| 11:21.56 | nid0 | andre__ they all do the job, personally I find the pidgin protocols plugin the best just for quick integrated chats with contacts, or amsn for a full-featured msn client |
| 11:21.57 | zash | mece: hexdump! |
| 11:22.07 | andre__ | crazy. okay. |
| 11:22.26 | mece | took a while for it to finish. there were a lot of "bing" sounds. |
| 11:22.32 | gevaerts | remembers the old days when the default xterm configuration and a default printer together had interesting effects on cat <binary file> |
| 11:23.39 | MohammadAG | liqflow would be more epic if it acted as a VU meter :P |
| 11:24.07 | lcuk | MohammadAG, thats easy |
| 11:24.15 | lcuk | play music loud enough and put it on a speaker |
| 11:24.35 | MohammadAG | LOL thought of that, but it's not a good way to pass the night :P |
| 11:24.45 | MohammadAG | (night = at 3 AM) |
| 11:24.57 | lcuk | tho in all seriousness i was playing with audio input and think its really really simple to be able to blow on the mic and have the flow move out from it |
| 11:24.58 | frals | nid0: does anyone of them handle MPOP yet? |
| 11:25.07 | KMFDM | i personally use pidgin protcols for msot things but also use regular pidgin for OTR chats |
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| 11:25.13 | KMFDM | and msn b/c for some reason on my mobile provider |
| 11:25.13 | nid0 | frals no, and it's my biggest annoyance |
| 11:25.19 | MohammadAG | lcuk, i was thinking something like VLC |
| 11:25.26 | KMFDM | msn wont connect via piidgin protcols but will via pidgin itself |
| 11:25.28 | MohammadAG | it has a software VU meter |
| 11:25.29 | nid0 | amsn are working on it, but they havent had any progress recently that i've read |
| 11:25.37 | frals | nid0: doh, only reason im not using it on my device yet |
| 11:25.41 | lcuk | MohammadAG, milkdrop esq? |
| 11:25.41 | MohammadAG | make the max VU reading the biggest bubble |
| 11:25.46 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 11:25.53 | nid0 | frals yeah, its the one thing that keeps me from using it properly |
| 11:25.54 | lcuk | theres a milkdrop thread on tmo |
| 11:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | milkymist? |
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| 11:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.milkymist.org/ |
| 11:27.42 | frals | i wonder who came up with the great idea to £ on the swe/fi keyboard instead of & on the n900 |
| 11:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | frals: bah, need a German layout? ;-P |
| 11:28.17 | mece | frals, someone who types texts instead of code perhaps? |
| 11:28.39 | frals | mece: how often do you use £ over & when texting etc? :D |
| 11:28.47 | frals | DocScrutinizer: ;D |
| 11:28.54 | MohammadAG | lcuk, nah, visualizations are overrated |
| 11:29.02 | mece | frals, everytime I ask a question. |
| 11:29.12 | lcuk | ive got liqmic here |
| 11:29.17 | MohammadAG | lcuk, i was thinking about using the keyboard as a vu meter |
| 11:29.22 | lcuk | tho you have to ask mic if he wants to be licked |
| 11:29.26 | frals | uh, mece i think we have an tect encoding issue |
| 11:29.31 | MohammadAG | (think R&D mode) |
| 11:29.31 | frals | £ is GBP symbol |
| 11:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | no kidding, got me a decent qwerty. If someone needs a German keycaps mat, holler |
| 11:29.34 | lcuk | keyboard? |
| 11:29.40 | frals | text* |
| 11:29.48 | MohammadAG | lcuk, it flickers in R&D mode |
| 11:29.55 | MohammadAG | which gave me the whole VU idea |
| 11:30.02 | mece | frals, whadya mean? |
| 11:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: see wiki. You got LED_KBD:1 .. 6 |
| 11:30.48 | MohammadAG | engine 3 can be bypassed afaik, since stopping mce in R&D mode keeps the keyboard on |
| 11:30.51 | lcuk | MohammadAG, but thats nto a vu meter lol |
| 11:30.57 | lcuk | and how do you know! |
| 11:31.04 | lcuk | are you doing r&d ? |
| 11:31.05 | lcuk | :D |
| 11:31.14 | MohammadAG | I enabled it once |
| 11:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: all engines can be 'bypassed' |
| 11:31.18 | MohammadAG | no wasn't curious |
| 11:31.26 | MohammadAG | needed it for sth :) |
| 11:31.29 | frals | mece: the symbol on they keyboard im talking about is the symbol for brittish pounds |
| 11:31.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, problem isn't the wiki, it's how to detect sound levels |
| 11:31.50 | MohammadAG | without actually using a mic |
| 11:31.51 | frals | mece: or do you commonly put that at the end of every question? |
| 11:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: now THAT's easy, no? |
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| 11:32.23 | mece | frals, LOL ok I see. Yes that is completely useless :D |
| 11:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | for a kickstart give arecord -vvv a try |
| 11:32.31 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I know it's not a VU meter (it's system activity), but it gave me the idea |
| 11:32.50 | frals | seems irssi is molesting my coding |
| 11:32.52 | ebzzry | Hi! Does anybody know if a Scheme (at least R5RS) interpreter exists for Maemo? |
| 11:32.56 | mece | but why not start the trend... what do you think£ |
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| 11:32.59 | mece | hee |
| 11:33.12 | frals | hehe |
| 11:33.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err, weird output lol |
| 11:35.03 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why does it keep outputting with no audio? |
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| 11:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | maybe because it continues to record? Ah, and maybe you shouldn't display the raw audio data to stdout |
| 11:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | so 'arecord -vvv /dev/null' might be a little less weird |
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| 11:36.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so it's using the mic? |
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| 11:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 11:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | try 'arecord -L -l' |
| 11:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | to show the valid and available audio devices for recording |
| 11:37.53 | MohammadAG | yeah using mic with that cmd |
| 11:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's been my weekend sports for last 3 years (maybe 4), so I almost know by heart the source of arecord/aplay |
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| 11:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | and there one sure thing: ALSA *sucks*. And even more certainly PA is even worse |
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| 11:42.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, there seems to be only 1 device, RX51 |
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| 11:42.57 | MohammadAG | card 0: RX51 [RX51], device 0: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0 [] |
| 11:43.46 | nid0 | frals: I was wrong, amsn does now support mpop |
| 11:44.04 | nid0 | but it's basic in the extreme, needs manually enabling, and breaks all p2p stuff on msn |
| 11:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | so try 'arecord -D plughw:0,0 -vvv /dev/null' |
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| 11:47.45 | BCMM_ | anyone know why canola2 is acting weird for me? it doesn't seem to want to take text input |
| 11:48.05 | Mace_N900 | know what would be nice to have... a contact status in the im window |
| 11:48.11 | BCMM_ | i'm trying to give it my last.fm login |
| 11:48.34 | BCMM_ | i can put my cursor in the box, but i can't type |
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| 11:49.18 | Mace_N900 | i need to file a enh req on bugs for it |
| 11:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe you need to enable and level up mic in 'alsamixer --card 0' |
| 11:49.50 | BCMM_ | same when trying to add an internet radip station |
| 11:49.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's still using the mic |
| 11:50.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is there a way to 'pipe' audio into the mic channel? |
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| 11:50.47 | Mace_N900 | and mms |
| 11:50.49 | Mace_N900 | heh |
| 11:51.09 | Mace_N900 | i want to be able to send crappy 3gp video |
| 11:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: record a video in 3GP format (or transcode), the send to wherever you like :-P |
| 11:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | s/, the/, then/ |
| 11:53.25 | frals | nid0: hmm, the p2p stuff being everything except messages right? :D |
| 11:53.53 | nid0 | essentially yeah, you lose file transfers, audio/video sharing, display pictures, custom emotes |
| 11:53.57 | nid0 | and probably some other stuff |
| 11:54.50 | ebzzry | Nvm. I found guile-1.8 on -devel :) |
| 11:55.11 | frals | hmm, i can live without those, need to test amsn then |
| 11:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: maybe password input method that disabled echo? |
| 11:55.50 | frals | wouldve been nice if they used proper libraries like telepathy so it be easy to get it into conversations |
| 11:56.05 | BCMM_ | nah, does same for all text entry |
| 11:56.14 | BCMM_ | found a bug about it |
| 11:56.21 | nid0 | frals: I just tried it out and found it usable with mpop at least, so itll do me for now - you are gonna get spammed when you first login to amsn though, for some reason it sends you an "add contact" request for everyone on your contact and allow lists |
| 11:56.37 | BCMM_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6511 very very weird |
| 11:56.39 | povbot | Bug 6511: Unable to type text in Canola on N900 |
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| 11:56.59 | rsadhu | hi all |
| 11:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, canola really was completely weird when I gave it a try |
| 11:58.21 | BCMM_ | workaround works... |
| 11:58.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what does alsamixer do? |
| 11:58.29 | frals | nid0: doh |
| 11:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: fire it up and you'll see |
| 11:58.52 | rsadhu | can i ask some question here |
| 11:59.08 | DocScrutinizer | rsadhu: you already did |
| 11:59.13 | nid0 | i'm rather impressed though that amsn managed to open like 150 contact request windows and the n900 didnt just say "fuck that" and crash |
| 11:59.16 | BCMM_ | gah canola is generally a bit odd |
| 11:59.28 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lol I did but it didn't work |
| 11:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: my words, no? |
| 11:59.39 | MohammadAG | (extra -, but that didn't work too) |
| 11:59.40 | BCMM_ | anyone here listen to last.fm streams on their n900? |
| 11:59.53 | MohammadAG | wrong -c argument 'ard' |
| 12:00.02 | MohammadAG | BCMM_, used to |
| 12:00.11 | BCMM_ | the website works but is flash so a bit horrid and very cpu intensive |
| 12:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: alsamixer -c 0 |
| 12:00.17 | rsadhu | @DocScrutinizer: hi , I'vent asked anything yet , i just bid hi to all |
| 12:00.33 | MohammadAG | a gui, nice! |
| 12:00.34 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: how? |
| 12:00.47 | MohammadAG | vagulume (or however it's spelt) |
| 12:01.31 | BCMM_ | i couldn't make that stop saying "network connection error" |
| 12:01.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, using headphones, it detects that, can change audio stuff, but still i don't get it lol |
| 12:01.49 | MohammadAG | BCMM_, define settings |
| 12:01.55 | MohammadAG | you need an API key |
| 12:02.01 | MohammadAG | google for the method |
| 12:02.08 | BCMM_ | yeah, got one... |
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| 12:02.19 | mece | MohammadAG, amigadave, It's starting to come along :D |
| 12:02.40 | BCMM_ | i'll try again carefully if you're saying it works |
| 12:03.31 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 12:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | rsadhu: so shoot, we're wakiting :-) |
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| 12:05.36 | mece | err what was the command that updates changes and changes file in debian? |
| 12:05.50 | Jaffa | mece: dch -i ? |
| 12:05.58 | mece | Jaffa, thanks |
| 12:05.59 | MohammadAG | updates changes? |
| 12:06.03 | MohammadAG | i do it manually |
| 12:06.04 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 12:06.17 | mece | Jaffa, what does the -i do? |
| 12:06.26 | mece | iterate the build number? |
| 12:06.30 | Jaffa | mece: Increments the last version... yeah |
| 12:06.37 | mece | k thanks |
| 12:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sorry I can't help much, no reference system here |
| 12:07.56 | MohammadAG | oh you didn't get one? |
| 12:08.05 | frade | uhmmm easy question, how can i start a new wiki page in wiki.maemo.org? |
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| 12:09.03 | rsadhu | @DocScrutnizer: I'm having some prob with my qt test plugin in maemo |
| 12:09.05 | lcuk | frade, do a search |
| 12:09.10 | lcuk | and when results come back |
| 12:09.16 | lcuk | if its not there you get option to make a new one |
| 12:09.30 | rsadhu | Whenever i scroll or click on the plugin window and i'm not getting a event to plugin |
| 12:09.33 | frade | aaah! great |
| 12:09.35 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=hello_frade |
| 12:09.36 | frade | lcuk, thanks |
| 12:09.39 | rsadhu | which basically is sent by X11 |
| 12:10.03 | Jaffa | frade: Of course, if there's a page already there - refactor it rather than creating a new one. |
| 12:10.03 | rsadhu | but same works for symbian , on linux qtlanucher |
| 12:10.04 | frade | lcuk, in this is going to be "i18n python" :) |
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| 12:10.20 | lcuk | oh cool :) |
| 12:10.23 | Jaffa | frade: if it's one you definitely need to create you can also just go to http://wiki.maemo.org/My_new_page and you can create it. |
| 12:11.23 | frade | Jaffa, ok, thanks... my experience in wikis was always "create a link and then follow it to create the page" |
| 12:11.29 | lcuk | frade theres a thread on tmo at the moment requesting ideas code suggestions for python speedups, if you or anyone else has any suggestions to add it would be welcome - we will write them up into some concrete guidelines for py devs http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 |
| 12:13.05 | frade | lcuk, my very modest tricks are on code level, cannot help much in the interpreter itself |
| 12:13.08 | N900evil_ | 'write it in C'? |
| 12:13.10 | frade | but any help from there is welcome :D |
| 12:13.23 | lcuk | frade - code level is find :) |
| 12:13.43 | lcuk | if a young developer reads the resultant thread/pages and gets ideas it will help |
| 12:13.50 | lcuk | N900evil_, bah! not the easiest |
| 12:14.15 | N900evil_ | awk then. |
| 12:14.19 | N900evil_ | :) |
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| 12:16.17 | MohammadAG | dreamt about PR1.2 today xD |
| 12:19.51 | SpeedEvil | Last night, I dreamt of mandlebrot again. |
| 12:19.56 | rsadhu | @DocScruntiizer????????????????????? |
| 12:19.59 | rsadhu | r u there |
| 12:20.43 | naxu | does anyoen have idea which of the 4 msn plugins would be best? |
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| 12:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | HOOOOORAAAAAY - N900 ready for pickup at repair store :-)))) |
| 12:30.20 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 12:30.21 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 12:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | cya guys - have an urgent date at other end of town |
| 12:31.27 | reggna | DocScrutinizer: :D |
| 12:31.47 | Khertan_ | lcuk: hi ... |
| 12:31.53 | Markus23 | My headphones from the n900 were sent back to repair |
| 12:31.54 | Khertan_ | lcuk: you are coding in py now ? |
| 12:31.56 | Markus23 | they did not work anymore |
| 12:32.19 | lcuk | Khertan_, im working now, no code |
| 12:32.33 | lcuk | but python has always appealed, its just not fast enough for the things i want |
| 12:32.58 | lcuk | Khertan_, you have yourself a sketch editor in python dont you |
| 12:33.02 | lcuk | could you do a test for me |
| 12:33.09 | Markus23 | on my n900 the camera lid is a bit broken, it sometimes shows some metal between the plastic |
| 12:33.11 | lcuk | i'd like a screenshot of you writing this: |
| 12:33.19 | Markus23 | but I don't want to send my n900 away just because of this ;( |
| 12:33.20 | Khertan_ | lcuk: in fact i ve both different sketch made for diablo |
| 12:33.37 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: you mean the slidy thing is loose? |
| 12:33.41 | Khertan_ | on with x11lib |
| 12:33.44 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100409_133726.liqtop1.scr.png |
| 12:33.54 | Khertan_ | and one using gtk.DrawingArea |
| 12:33.59 | lcuk | ahh cheating |
| 12:34.09 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 12:34.19 | Khertan_ | the x11 one is really fast :) |
| 12:34.21 | lcuk | khetthe reason why - i did a quick test using entirely pyqt and qpainter.* and got this: |
| 12:34.27 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqmini.qt.Screenshot-20100409-133149.png |
| 12:34.35 | Dassu | I can read that with no problemo |
| 12:34.46 | lcuk | now thats very ugly prototype code, and could obviously be optimised |
| 12:34.52 | Khertan_ | strange as pyqt should not be slower than qt.drawingarea |
| 12:35.04 | lcuk | lots of lines |
| 12:35.06 | Khertan_ | lcuk: if you want i can try to optimize it a bit |
| 12:35.15 | lcuk | theres many of the qpainter.* methods which are sluggish |
| 12:35.21 | lcuk | i noticed it first with colliding mice |
| 12:35.33 | TigerTael | ouch |
| 12:35.36 | lcuk | i took the colliding mice example which is native qt |
| 12:35.41 | lcuk | and bumped the mouse count to 50 |
| 12:35.52 | Khertan_ | to be honest i didn't well know qt as i'm learning it |
| 12:35.54 | lcuk | the blocker *on my desktop* to smooth running was qpainter |
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| 12:36.11 | andi- | anyone can give me a hint on how to capture/record the commands from my remote control with lirc? |
| 12:36.36 | Khertan_ | lcuk: let me 5 min i ll try to found where i put my gtk.drawing code :) |
| 12:36.53 | lcuk | Khertan_, sure, its just a test |
| 12:37.08 | adeus | andi-: irrecord? |
| 12:37.09 | lcuk | i know it works in maepad and in xournal and obviously liqbase |
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| 12:37.16 | andi- | adeus: says mode not supported |
| 12:37.17 | frals | love doing assignments in a basic course when ive already passed the advanced course in the same subject |
| 12:37.22 | lcuk | i think gtk is solid for it |
| 12:37.33 | Khertan_ | yep but it should work in qt too |
| 12:37.41 | Khertan_ | when i see the 2d painting example |
| 12:37.46 | frals | i think im overdoing it a tad by breaking this whole assignment horribly in each step |
| 12:37.53 | Khertan_ | it s seems running well |
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| 12:38.28 | lcuk | Khertan_, it might do i had many other more important things to run around playing with |
| 12:38.36 | lcuk | i just picked up pyqt one night and hacked that in |
| 12:39.08 | lcuk | from a hackability perspective i was pleased but perf was poor and would need more extreme optimizations and changes than i had time to consider |
| 12:39.09 | Khertan_ | but for example |
| 12:39.35 | Khertan_ | i picked up the QHilighterSyntax ... and i m currently making some tests with it |
| 12:39.48 | Khertan_ | and got a py source code editor really faster ... |
| 12:39.56 | lcuk | :D cooool beans |
| 12:40.02 | tackat | I doubt that the speed of QPainter has any real impact on an example like this. |
| 12:40.31 | Khertan_ | and i can imagine implementing code completion ... something that i ve try with gtk ... but require too much optimization to be fast |
| 12:41.11 | lcuk | tackat, actually... |
| 12:41.28 | lcuk | that is entirely qpainter |
| 12:41.36 | lcuk | since it just draws lots of lines |
| 12:41.41 | lcuk | very little processing |
| 12:42.00 | lcuk | the text gets less readable as it spends more time each frame rendering lines |
| 12:42.26 | tackat | "frame" ? :) |
| 12:42.32 | lcuk | its a very dumb test and the code could be optimized to not render everything - but shows effect most clearly |
| 12:42.44 | lcuk | use colliding mice on high spec machine for a much nicer example |
| 12:43.02 | lcuk | a game using qpainter rendering primatives wouldnt work well |
| 12:43.07 | Khertan_ | lcuk: send me the source at khertan@khertan.net ... i ll try to optimize it in the train this afternoon |
| 12:43.07 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 12:43.08 | lcuk | (you want more than 7 mice running) |
| 12:43.36 | Khertan_ | lcuk: a pygame with more than seven sprite is slow too |
| 12:43.40 | tackat | lcuk: well, in Marble we render coastlines, coutry borders and lots of other stuff using QPainter |
| 12:44.28 | Khertan_ | but this is slow because all the screen is refresh |
| 12:44.31 | tackat | lcuk: I don't think your problem is QPainter itself. It's probably something else. |
| 12:44.36 | Khertan_ | which is a really bad idea |
| 12:45.22 | lcuk | tackat, most generic qt widgets use qpainter in their render slot, true? |
| 12:45.23 | tackat | yes, for this example there is no good reason to redraw it all the time. |
| 12:45.31 | tackat | lcuk: yes. |
| 12:45.49 | lcuk | hence, speed up qpainter generic methods and you speed up entire qt |
| 12:45.54 | lcuk | save battery life etc |
| 12:45.56 | phellarv | Argh - despotify is fucked up cause of Spotify making changes in the challenges between server and client. |
| 12:46.34 | lcuk | i am aware there are additional methods in qpainter which can optimize experience |
| 12:46.50 | lcuk | calling a drawpolygon function instead of 10 line calls |
| 12:46.55 | lcuk | but that is not my point |
| 12:47.17 | tackat | lcuk: speed of QPainter will depend on lots of stuff (like what graphicssystem you use and lots of other stuff) |
| 12:47.32 | lcuk | its slow on all platforms that i know |
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| 12:48.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8968699 |
| 12:48.39 | SpeedEvil | gah |
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| 12:50.35 | Markus23 | SpeedEvil: yeah, the slidy thing is loose, sometimes the plastic pops out a milimeter or so and you see a piece of metal below |
| 12:52.47 | tackat | lcuk: try running your app with the command line parameter "-graphicssystem raster " |
| 12:54.00 | lcuk | tackat, i pressed the "play" button in qt |
| 12:54.09 | lcuk | how would i run it differently? |
| 12:54.21 | tackat | ?????? |
| 12:54.38 | tackat | ah |
| 12:54.41 | tackat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.45 | Pforce | :D |
| 12:54.54 | tackat | or whatever IDE you are using :) |
| 12:54.58 | lcuk | yes |
| 12:55.15 | lcuk | load colliding mice, change the constant "MouseCount" to 50, click run |
| 12:55.22 | tackat | lcuk: well a guy with your skills should know how to run the app from a console |
| 12:55.23 | tackat | ;) |
| 12:55.33 | Pforce | if you want to run it outside the ide, just put the needed qt dll:s to the folder of the exe and just run there, not sure why you would like to do that |
| 12:55.38 | Pforce | before deploying |
| 12:55.44 | lcuk | then go into the paint event and strip out most of the painter.* calls and my super fast computer has mice that no longer judder |
| 12:55.53 | Pforce | assuming your in windows |
| 12:56.07 | Pforce | linux the .so:s are in your "path" already |
| 12:56.12 | lcuk | tackat :) i am a visual basic developer |
| 12:56.21 | tackat | I started to figure that |
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| 12:56.23 | Khertan_ | rohhhh ! |
| 12:57.47 | crashanddie | tackat: no need to be condescending |
| 12:58.41 | tackat | crashanddie: ;-) |
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| 12:59.24 | Khertan_ | ouch 10min for syntax hilighting a 5Mb python source code in PyGTKEditor ... 30s to do it in khteditor |
| 12:59.25 | Khertan_ | huhu |
| 12:59.34 | lcuk | lololol |
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| 12:59.44 | lcuk | why have you got a 5mb source file btw |
| 12:59.49 | lcuk | isnt that a bitch even on desktop |
| 12:59.53 | Khertan_ | just for test |
| 12:59.54 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 12:59.55 | MohammadAG | isn't it instant in gedit? :P |
| 13:00.03 | Khertan_ | MohammadAG: nope ... |
| 13:00.09 | lcuk | MohammadAG, for 5mb it wont be instant anywhere afail |
| 13:00.10 | Khertan_ | and less on the n900 |
| 13:00.12 | lcuk | afaik |
| 13:00.19 | MohammadAG | on my i5 it is, I wonder why |
| 13:00.20 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:00.22 | Khertan_ | as gedit isn't available :) |
| 13:00.31 | lcuk | build it and see |
| 13:00.37 | lcuk | its standard gtk isnt it? |
| 13:00.52 | MohammadAG | gedit? yeah, but the spell checker is a pita |
| 13:00.57 | Khertan_ | of course on my desktop it s instant in khteditor |
| 13:00.58 | MohammadAG | might as well just dump it |
| 13:01.08 | MohammadAG | Khertan_, was just jk :P |
| 13:01.25 | Khertan_ | lcuk: the problem of gedit on n900 is the gtksourcebuffer :) |
| 13:01.31 | MohammadAG | 32000MHz > 600MHz (slightly bigger) |
| 13:01.40 | Khertan_ | 32 Ghz |
| 13:01.41 | Khertan_ | ouch |
| 13:01.43 | MohammadAG | more powerfuk |
| 13:01.46 | MohammadAG | err |
| 13:01.49 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 13:01.56 | MohammadAG | -one 0 |
| 13:01.58 | Khertan_ | yeah ... but it s a x86 |
| 13:02.00 | lcuk | now we know MohammadAG is in some super top secret government lab |
| 13:02.03 | MohammadAG | x64 |
| 13:02.06 | crashanddie | Khertan_: is khteditor in your repo? |
| 13:02.08 | Khertan_ | worst :) |
| 13:02.21 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: khteditor is far from being finish |
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| 13:02.31 | MohammadAG | lcuk, i'm with the terrorists :P |
| 13:02.31 | Khertan_ | it s a complete rewrite |
| 13:02.33 | Khertan_ | in qt |
| 13:02.34 | Khertan_ | :) |
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| 13:02.48 | MohammadAG | using maemo to take over the south pole |
| 13:02.56 | Khertan_ | but i currently implementing hook to make plugins |
| 13:03.05 | lcuk | penguins ftw |
| 13:03.08 | Khertan_ | once that done, i ll made surely a first pre-release |
| 13:03.15 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I thought bacon was ftw |
| 13:03.18 | lcuk | on maemo-devel? |
| 13:03.30 | Khertan_ | maemo-what ? |
| 13:03.31 | Khertan_ | nope |
| 13:03.55 | Khertan_ | will be only on Kht Repository |
| 13:03.56 | lcuk | shame |
| 13:04.06 | Khertan_ | do the packaging if you want |
| 13:04.07 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 13:04.17 | lcuk | im sure someone will if they like it |
| 13:04.51 | Khertan_ | i didn't believe in that :) |
| 13:05.09 | MohammadAG | I'll do it if you want :) |
| 13:05.18 | Khertan_ | ok ... |
| 13:05.27 | Khertan_ | but before i need to finish it :) |
| 13:05.36 | MohammadAG | asks for donations |
| 13:05.38 | MohammadAG | jk :P |
| 13:05.39 | phellarv | MohammadAG: You have a good compile environment for making .deb's? |
| 13:05.54 | MohammadAG | phellarv, scratchbox on an i5 |
| 13:05.56 | Khertan_ | you can also begin by packaging PyGTKEditor 3.0.15 if you want |
| 13:06.04 | crashanddie | lol... australian politician "The internet is dangerous. Child pornography is readily available, as are drugs and violence" <-- No you idiot. You get out of it what you put into it. It's not like you ask Google "What is the capital of Mozambique", and suddenly your computer asks "Want to see some tang, old man?" |
| 13:06.07 | Khertan_ | source available on my repository |
| 13:06.34 | phellarv | MohammadAG: Could I be so rude to ask you to make a deb out of the latest svn-commit to despotify? |
| 13:06.37 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: hum ... not so lol ... we have the same sentence from French 1 minister |
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| 13:06.56 | MohammadAG | phellarv, nope |
| 13:06.57 | crashanddie | Khertan_: yeah, but in France they're not talking about implementing a firewall |
| 13:07.03 | MohammadAG | not rude at all... |
| 13:07.11 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: they are |
| 13:07.17 | crashanddie | Khertan_: eh? |
| 13:07.21 | Khertan_ | yep |
| 13:07.23 | MohammadAG | phellarv, does it use PR1.2 stuff? |
| 13:07.25 | phellarv | MohammadAG: Kk |
| 13:07.30 | phellarv | MohammadAG: Nope |
| 13:07.32 | MohammadAG | cause my i5 is a PR1.2 sdk |
| 13:07.34 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: on page 5 of images.google.com you find http://www.carstenbloch.de/Filip/AA_87847_017.jpg |
| 13:07.37 | phellarv | Oh. |
| 13:07.40 | Stskeeps | which is probably what the guy is afraid of |
| 13:07.41 | MohammadAG | ah so it shouldn't matter |
| 13:07.51 | MohammadAG | phellarv, only GTK matters |
| 13:07.55 | MohammadAG | err |
| 13:08.04 | MohammadAG | that was a very wrongly built sentence |
| 13:08.05 | crashanddie | Khertan_: link? |
| 13:08.11 | MohammadAG | only Qt is affected |
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| 13:08.26 | phellarv | MohammadAG: No QT/GTK - ncurses based client for Spotify |
| 13:08.53 | crashanddie | Khertan_: loppsi 2? |
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| 13:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's the problem with all the ignorant assholes. Internet they don't understand and it's 'somehow related' to stuff they pretend to dislike. So let's kill internet -> problem solved. None of these idiots ever suggested to tear down parcel service to stop bombs in packages. Or ask mail delivery service to scan every letter for certain keywords and keep track of origin of all letters they ever process |
| 13:10.16 | Termana | Stskeeps: WTF - Are you sure thats what you were trying to link to? What the hell is that guy doing to himself!? |
| 13:10.32 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: the thing is, I'm not against a system that prevents child porn to be transmitted |
| 13:10.38 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: hell, if it were possible, I'd go for it |
| 13:10.40 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: they don't want to kill it, but control it |
| 13:10.49 | Stskeeps | Termana: images.google.com search for 'What is the capital of Mozambique' |
| 13:10.57 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: which is a sysuphosian task itself |
| 13:11.19 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: ouaip |
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| 13:11.21 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: http://gendarmes-en-colere.forum2discussion.net/gendarmes-et-citoyens-le-forum-principal-f1/la-lopsi-2-aux-oubliettes-en-2009-redemarre-en-2010-t16615.htm |
| 13:11.22 | phellarv | MohammadAG: Nvm - Gonna get my feet wet, and test out this scratchbox-crosscompile-thingydajingy |
| 13:11.22 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: the real problem comes from the fact that control means abuse. How tempting is it for any government to start pressing buttons that will censor things they don't like |
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| 13:12.21 | lcuk | about as simple as you kickbanning things you dont like :p |
| 13:12.25 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: and from what i hear from the senat 's debate ... is a firewall |
| 13:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I have to take the blame for starting to state the obvious |
| 13:12.33 | Termana | crashanddie: DocScrutinizer: They have publicly admitted that they won't be able to track p2p traffic - which is where it "all at" (i suppose). |
| 13:12.40 | Termana | its* |
| 13:13.06 | crashanddie | Termana: no, real hardcore child pornography isn't on public P2P networks |
| 13:13.13 | achipa | the point is it's silly, as they can only fight the medium, not the content |
| 13:13.26 | crashanddie | it's on VPN networks, unknown and impossible to detect from other encrypted data |
| 13:13.34 | achipa | and the content can change distribution channels easily (unlike the tracking/censorship tools) |
| 13:14.07 | Termana | crashanddie: You'll have to excuse me for not being in the know of where the hardcore stuff is suppose to be. I don't intentially try and track where its all at :P |
| 13:14.12 | achipa | crashanddie: now, to wait until someone suggests 'if you have nothing to hide you dont need to encrypt anything' :) |
| 13:14.36 | crashanddie | achipa: bollocks. Everyone is entitled to their privacy |
| 13:14.44 | lcuk | you over estimate the skill level of humans crashanddie, there is plenty of evidence from news of people caught using regular email and websites (wasnt there a facebook group reported at some point?) |
| 13:15.05 | crashanddie | achipa: that would be like banning envelopes from snail mail "Why do you mind people snooping through your mail?" |
| 13:15.11 | achipa | crashanddie: all it takes is a good excuse to make it look less painful when they take it away |
| 13:15.50 | crashanddie | lcuk: yeah, but that's the miniature parts at the top -- the bits the media can get their hands on |
| 13:16.08 | achipa | crashanddie: no, that analogy is wrong, as technically, they ARE allowed to do that on proper grounds |
| 13:16.38 | crashanddie | achipa: no, nobody is allowed to go through my mail unless they have probably cause |
| 13:16.44 | lcuk | i hope the media doesnt get its hands on anything with this subject matter |
| 13:16.55 | lcuk | frankly its wildly offtopic for this channel |
| 13:16.57 | achipa | crashanddie: that's what I meant under proper grounds |
| 13:16.59 | lcuk | but meh |
| 13:17.07 | crashanddie | lcuk: good point |
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| 13:18.07 | Termana | Of course, the bill still has to pass through. And even if it does, we have federal election coming up next april :P |
| 13:18.08 | MohammadAG | <phellarv> MohammadAG: Nvm - Gonna get my feet wet, and test out this scratchbox-crosscompile-thingydajingy |
| 13:18.25 | MohammadAG | it's fairly easy to set it up |
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| 13:18.55 | phellarv | MohammadAG: Mmm - It is pretty straight forward yes |
| 13:20.46 | phellarv | MohammadAG: fremantle5.0minimal_armel? |
| 13:20.58 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 13:21.04 | MohammadAG | use the scripts phellarv |
| 13:21.11 | MohammadAG | (scripts not GUI) |
| 13:21.39 | phellarv | MohammadAG: I use http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html as a HowTo |
| 13:21.49 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 13:22.46 | phellarv | Aha - I skipped the part with the installer-script |
| 13:22.51 | pupnik | information privacy or lack of it must affect what we do as a software community |
| 13:23.29 | phellarv | MohammadAG: I'm old-fashioned - I like to see (and possibly understand) what is done in the process. |
| 13:23.35 | pupnik | unfortunately, we cant ignore lawmakers. much as we would like to |
| 13:23.58 | MohammadAG | phellarv, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 13:24.15 | MohammadAG | phellarv, same, that's why I said use the scripts not the GUI |
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| 13:27.09 | zak_ | hello |
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| 13:36.07 | Khertan_ | Personnaly on ubuntu i ve used the GUI SDK Installer |
| 13:36.12 | Khertan_ | and it s works well |
| 13:36.52 | Khertan_ | ubuntu 10.04 32bits |
| 13:38.24 | zokier | asdf. i just downgraded to 9.10 because gui installer failed |
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| 13:39.39 | MohammadAG | Khertan_, mind if I ask you a question? |
| 13:39.55 | Khertan_ | yep ? |
| 13:40.43 | Khertan_ | is disapointed ... OpenSonic run at 12 fps only :( |
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| 13:41.51 | MohammadAG | Khertan_, I want to use the kinetic scrolling window (like the one in your app) for my app |
| 13:41.54 | MohammadAG | not sure how |
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| 13:42.30 | Khertan_ | which framework are you using ? gtk / qt ? |
| 13:42.37 | Khertan_ | for gtk i can help you ... :) |
| 13:42.40 | Khertan_ | for qt nope :) |
| 13:42.54 | Khertan_ | so for gtk i use hildon.PannableArea() |
| 13:42.59 | MohammadAG | Khertan, pyGTK |
| 13:43.06 | MohammadAG | which is why I'm asking you :) |
| 13:43.10 | Khertan_ | héhé |
| 13:43.18 | phellarv | Uuuh - good thing I have a 30Mbit line... |
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| 13:43.34 | MohammadAG | phellarv, lol |
| 13:43.56 | MohammadAG | reinstalling the SDK is a pain lol |
| 13:44.01 | phellarv | Mhmm |
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| 13:45.42 | MohammadAG | Khertan_, the app's object oriented, which is also a pain |
| 13:45.52 | MohammadAG | not sure which part handles the main window |
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| 13:46.08 | Khertan_ | which apps ? |
| 13:46.18 | MohammadAG | the N900's small screen isn't helping |
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| 13:46.32 | MohammadAG | Khertan_, http://maemo.org/packages/view/noor |
| 13:46.38 | MohammadAG | (source is there) |
| 13:46.39 | phellarv | Do I really need the X86 target? |
| 13:47.03 | MohammadAG | no |
| 13:47.09 | MohammadAG | for testing yes |
| 13:47.12 | phellarv | Nah - did not think so either |
| 13:47.27 | phellarv | I can test on my N900 - ;-P |
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| 13:55.50 | Khertan_ | MohammadAG_: in noorgtk.pyw replace simply the gtk.scrolledwindow by a hildon.PannableArea |
| 13:55.58 | Khertan_ | line 87 :) |
| 13:56.09 | MohammadAG_ | only one word? |
| 13:56.10 | Khertan_ | i ven't test ... but should be enough |
| 13:56.57 | Khertan_ | of course remove also line 83,84,85 |
| 13:57.11 | Khertan_ | ah now sorry it s for the other window |
| 13:57.11 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 13:57.31 | Khertan_ | ah no sorry it s for the other window |
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| 14:01.07 | MohammadAG_ | Khertan_, is there a way to replace that list with a list that's scrollable with a text box |
| 14:01.41 | MohammadAG_ | like the Default language setting in pyGTKeditor |
| 14:02.34 | phellarv | sndqueue.h:10:31: error: vorbis/vorbisfile.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:02.37 | phellarv | Argh |
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| 14:04.28 | phellarv | I'm making dinner for my family, and trying to crosscompile despotify for Maemo5 - who the .... said that men could not multitask.... |
| 14:05.06 | MohammadAG_ | cd dinner-1.0 && ./configure && make |
| 14:05.08 | MohammadAG_ | :p |
| 14:05.57 | Khertan_ | MohammadAG_: probably :) |
| 14:06.10 | Khertan_ | you can look at the pygtkeditor source code |
| 14:06.17 | Khertan_ | it s in pge_preferences.py |
| 14:06.30 | Khertan_ | to look in the code you can just install it on your n900 :) |
| 14:06.39 | Khertan_ | or take it from my own repository |
| 14:06.53 | MohammadAG_ | it is installed lol |
| 14:06.58 | Khertan_ | http://khertan.net/repository/dists/fremantle/user/binary-armel/sources/pygtkeditor_3.0.15-1.tar.gz |
| 14:07.03 | MohammadAG_ | installed |
| 14:07.05 | MohammadAG_ | same version |
| 14:07.19 | Khertan_ | : |
| 14:07.20 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 14:07.30 | MohammadAG_ | use it quite a lot |
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| 14:07.43 | MohammadAG_ | I wanted gedit, but I found pygtkeditor |
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| 14:09.52 | phellarv | YES |
| 14:10.03 | MohammadAG_ | chicken got compiled? |
| 14:11.14 | phellarv | HAHA |
| 14:11.20 | phellarv | Nope - but despotify |
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| 14:12.13 | Mece | hi |
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| 14:13.12 | phellarv | dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. |
| 14:13.15 | phellarv | Wuut? |
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| 14:13.27 | MohammadAG_ | phellarv, compat file in debian/ |
| 14:13.34 | phellarv | aah - kk |
| 14:13.46 | MohammadAG_ | might be 7 in your case |
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| 14:15.16 | pollitishin | Khertan_ : I noticed in the python optimization thread on TMO you mention 'khteditor' |
| 14:15.30 | pollitishin | is that like PyGtKEditor, just in Qt, or for writing Qt code? |
| 14:15.44 | Mece | hi |
| 14:15.50 | MohammadAG_ | hi Mece |
| 14:15.59 | phellarv | dpkg-deb: building package `despotify' in `../despotify_0.0.0-0_armel.deb'. |
| 14:16.02 | phellarv | Bahaha |
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| 14:16.10 | phellarv | Mark the version-number |
| 14:16.15 | phellarv | \o/ |
| 14:16.19 | MohammadAG_ | phellarv, use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:16.22 | Khertan_ | pollitishin: for the moment it s just in the beginning ... but the purpose is to create a full source code editor with the qt framework |
| 14:16.43 | Khertan_ | but what you mean by " or for writing qt" |
| 14:16.44 | pollitishin | Wow! thanks for that! |
| 14:17.02 | Khertan_ | you will be able to write any source code :) |
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| 14:17.14 | pollitishin | for writing Qt source code, with proper syntax highlighting |
| 14:17.41 | Khertan_ | hum ... yes pygtkeditor didn't hilight qt name :) |
| 14:17.44 | pollitishin | nice! keep up the good work. |
| 14:18.08 | Khertan_ | but for the moment i ve just the python syntax hilighter working (and working really faster than on pygtkeditor) |
| 14:18.18 | Khertan_ | and some basic function like open/save |
| 14:18.42 | Khertan_ | i'm working right now on the pluggin arch |
| 14:19.02 | pollitishin | when do you expect an alpha/beta to be made available? |
| 14:19.17 | MohammadAG_ | ~ping |
| 14:19.18 | infobot | ~pong |
| 14:19.20 | Khertan_ | pollitishin: if you want to hilight also qt word in pygtkeditor ... you can edit the python.xml syntax file |
| 14:19.28 | Khertan_ | pollitishin: nothing planned yet |
| 14:19.30 | MohammadAG_ | weird, wifi light just went out on my lappy |
| 14:19.33 | Khertan_ | as i'm learning qt :) |
| 14:19.48 | Khertan_ | and at least it ll not be before pr1.2 |
| 14:20.07 | MohammadAG_ | substitutes never for pr1.2 |
| 14:20.12 | pollitishin | so... as they say better unpolished code, than no code |
| 14:20.23 | RST38h | though pr1.2 was cancelled, no? |
| 14:20.36 | Khertan_ | ok i reformulate ... |
| 14:20.51 | pollitishin | btw its possible to get a lot of parts of 1.2 on the phone itself |
| 14:20.57 | Khertan_ | it ll not be before qt4.6 is available with pyside 0.3.x :) |
| 14:21.02 | Lynoure | badly. |
| 14:21.04 | Lynoure | One of the pr1.2 fixes was the fixing of battery draining bug introduced in pr.1, and I want it :/ |
| 14:21.29 | Khertan_ | is waiting qt 4.6 and pyside binding ... and also mfe fix |
| 14:21.31 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, no, it wasn't canceled, it still has a set target release date of someday |
| 14:21.32 | pollitishin | but a major warning, I installed to many of themz and hads to reflash |
| 14:21.51 | MohammadAG_ | pollitishin, did that two months ago :P |
| 14:22.24 | pollitishin | so do you know which updates are safe, and which ones might cause the endless reboot? |
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| 14:23.18 | pollitishin | right now I have just the updated Qt libs, and its running fine no problems |
| 14:23.56 | pollitishin | I updated the rss,a nd also no problems (also no noticable difference) |
| 14:23.59 | Khertan_ | hum ... interesting |
| 14:24.20 | pollitishin | the question is is it safe to update microb? |
| 14:24.24 | Khertan_ | so i try the evening to install qt 4.6 too :) |
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| 14:24.58 | pollitishin | good luck, just be careful |
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| 14:28.23 | phellarv | MohammadAG_: Where do I set "Provides" in a packages (buildtime) |
| 14:28.37 | MohammadAG_ | ? |
| 14:28.55 | MohammadAG_ | changelog for when the changes were made |
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| 14:30.29 | phellarv | Nah. I want the despotify package to provide bot despotify and libdespotify - for dependencies in other packages |
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| 14:31.26 | MohammadAG_ | Android on the iPhone, something else to keep users from thinking about PR1.2 |
| 14:32.04 | MohammadAG_ | phellarv, not sure what you mean, but I think you need to edit the control file for that |
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| 14:33.05 | phellarv | MohammadAG_: That was my first tought too... but hmmm... |
| 14:34.01 | MohammadAG_ | phellarv, take a look at the frozen bubble source |
| 14:34.13 | MohammadAG_ | it makes two packages, one's for data and one's for the game itself |
| 14:34.17 | MohammadAG_ | hi noobmonk3y |
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| 14:35.00 | noobmonk3y | hey MohammadAG_ :D - how goes the programming guru? :D |
| 14:35.28 | MohammadAG_ | since when am I a guru? |
| 14:35.29 | MohammadAG_ | :P |
| 14:36.03 | noobmonk3y | since allways, you are just teasing me with your supposed need for help :D |
| 14:36.11 | noobmonk3y | gonna help me with pull my finger? |
| 14:36.24 | noobmonk3y | meh brb phone... again :( |
| 14:36.48 | MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, if I can |
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| 14:48.12 | Mece | hey ok so I'd like my debian/rules to create a directory in /home/user/ that is owned by user, and then a symlink pointing to that directory. how would one go about doing that? |
| 14:49.00 | MohammadAG_ | it might be better to use a postinst script to do that |
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| 14:52.59 | Mece | MohammadAG oh righty. |
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| 15:11.11 | Shapeshifter | guys, I remember there was an option to display the current gps location in the status of all IM connections. I forgot where I found it... |
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| 15:12.51 | congerro | it is behind the status-text-input |
| 15:13.16 | congerro | "My location" |
| 15:13.21 | Shapeshifter | ah yes! |
| 15:13.26 | pupnik | ya gotta moo in capslock some days |
| 15:14.08 | Shapeshifter | I wonder if its possible to use network location only ()[Dno gps[C[C[C[C for that |
| 15:14.58 | Shapeshifter | ... sorry about that. funny 2G connection |
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| 15:21.33 | Disconnect | maemo needs to get an air beta going |
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| 15:25.25 | Disconnect | lcuk: sure, send me the flash plugin source and i'll get started. |
| 15:25.42 | MohammadAG_ | Disconnect, ask adobe |
| 15:25.43 | Disconnect | oh, wait, thats right, its all closed source and only the nokia employees here have contacts at adobe to do that.. gee... i forgot.. |
| 15:25.57 | MohammadAG_ | actually, adobe isn't interested |
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| 15:33.06 | MohammadAG_ | damn dbus |
| 15:33.21 | lcuk | damn git |
| 15:33.53 | nid0 | damn back muscles |
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| 15:35.58 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, git's actually pretty good |
| 15:36.19 | lcuk | its not behaving for me |
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| 15:36.36 | MohammadAG_ | slap it with a trout |
| 15:36.46 | lcuk | that leaves a mess on the keyboard |
| 15:36.50 | lcuk | explains problem: |
| 15:37.40 | lcuk | have a project on server A, sequential simple commits. came to update and server A offline. pushed to server B and spent time pushing toserver B for a while. |
| 15:37.50 | lcuk | now i want to push back to server A and keep all the history |
| 15:38.21 | MohammadAG_ | that's not too bad |
| 15:38.39 | lcuk | git tells me i have to kill kittens and stuff |
| 15:38.49 | MohammadAG_ | explains his problems |
| 15:39.01 | MohammadAG_ | I need to get the song that's playing in mafw |
| 15:39.05 | MohammadAG_ | ~ $ mdbus2 com.nokia.mafw-gst-renderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer |
| 15:39.05 | MohammadAG_ | [ERR]: No introspection data at object '/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer' |
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| 15:39.29 | MohammadAG_ | your git problem isn't that bad, wanna swap projects? :P |
| 15:39.46 | lcuk | would be nice for a few days :) |
| 15:40.00 | lcuk | is it warm there also - cos swapping projects involves swapping countries |
| 15:40.11 | Corsac | Stskeeps: hmhm, is bootmenu usable to just boot a different kernel? |
| 15:40.13 | nid0 | hey, its sunny in norfolk! |
| 15:40.23 | MohammadAG_ | it's sunny in the north pole too |
| 15:40.36 | MohammadAG_ | I think it's sunny for about 6 months there |
| 15:40.58 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, there isn't much bacon here :P |
| 15:41.07 | lcuk | thats ok |
| 15:41.09 | lcuk | i can cope |
| 15:41.14 | nid0 | ... |
| 15:41.16 | Stskeeps | Corsac: with kexec, make a /linuxrc file and use ITEM_LINUXRC |
| 15:41.22 | nid0 | how could you move somewhere with no bacon. |
| 15:41.49 | lcuk | nid0, i have bacon in my heart and arteries and kidneys... |
| 15:42.13 | MohammadAG_ | that's not healthy lcuk |
| 15:42.26 | lcuk | very tasty tho |
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| 15:45.08 | nid0 | I would think barring moving to israel and living without bacon, your git problem might be more easily solved by a more reliable server :> |
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| 15:45.39 | lcuk | nid0, server A is gitorious |
| 15:45.42 | lcuk | :) |
| 15:46.01 | marcvs2 | Hi there, got some trouble booting after mv /var /home; ln -s /home/var/ /var |
| 15:46.06 | marcvs2 | Phone is not booting |
| 15:46.07 | nid0 | looks like you're off to israwl then |
| 15:46.09 | marcvs2 | Any hints? |
| 15:46.29 | lcuk | marcvs2, i wouldnt do that if i were you |
| 15:46.32 | nid0 | erm. unless im much mistaken, you're left with reflashing |
| 15:46.37 | nid0 | as your device is now bricked |
| 15:46.45 | lcuk | not bricked, but not healthy |
| 15:47.13 | lcuk | unless you can get a serial connection into it i think you are a bit screwed |
| 15:47.24 | marcvs2 | cool |
| 15:47.39 | MohammadAG_ | cool indeed |
| 15:47.43 | marcvs2 | I saw some guys dual booting into android |
| 15:47.43 | lcuk | isnt /var required before home is mounted |
| 15:47.44 | MohammadAG_ | R&D might help |
| 15:47.50 | Corsac | Stskeeps: hmhm, good point, I could do that too |
| 15:47.53 | MohammadAG_ | adds a not |
| 15:47.55 | nid0 | lcuk yeah basically afaik |
| 15:47.55 | marcvs2 | I was hoping for a boot from sd or so |
| 15:48.02 | Corsac | at least it'll prevent me to run my n900 unbootable :) |
| 15:48.14 | lcuk | marcvs2, generally for that to work you have to pre-prepare |
| 15:48.27 | lcuk | theres a hole for running a script at boot time if oyu have a file on / afaik |
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| 15:48.40 | lcuk | but you have to have it there before you break stuff |
| 15:48.41 | MohammadAG_ | Matan made it iirc |
| 15:48.55 | marcvs2 | lcuk, thx, so I'll get instructions for reflashing... |
| 15:49.14 | nid0 | reflashing's very simple :> |
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| 15:49.20 | MohammadAG_ | he has/user a .co.il domain, so he might company you lcuk |
| 15:49.22 | marcvs2 | Puh, |
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| 15:49.27 | marcvs2 | good |
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| 15:49.30 | MohammadAG_ | ~flashing |
| 15:49.31 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 15:52.57 | marcvs2 | Since here're some experts: I was wondering if there's a good reason for staying with libc6-2.5. This keeps us from using plain debian stable. |
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| 15:55.27 | lcuk | marcvs2, you can try a switcharoo to see for yourself :) |
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| 15:55.36 | lcuk | but might be an idea to keep those flashing instructions handy |
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| 15:56.18 | marcvs2 | ok. |
| 15:57.49 | Disconnect | is there any way to have 2 mail for exchange account syncs? (or any other suggestions for magic gmail contact/calendar sync and an exchange-only email account that has no imap support) |
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| 16:11.59 | mece | ok. made the Fheroes2 deb.. |
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| 16:16.28 | Corsac | Stskeeps: the kernel with kexec is the âenhanced linux kernl for power usersâ ? |
| 16:20.58 | jacekowski | wow |
| 16:21.03 | jacekowski | mece: is it in repository? |
| 16:21.25 | mece | no, i'm still working on how to create the 3 files I need. |
| 16:21.48 | jacekowski | which is? |
| 16:21.50 | mece | it's some easy command but I can't find it right now. |
| 16:22.11 | jacekowski | what's name of that file? |
| 16:22.21 | mece | changes, dsc, tar.gz |
| 16:22.33 | jacekowski | dpkg-buildpkg should do it for you |
| 16:23.34 | mece | yeah. just found it.. |
| 16:23.51 | mece | "unrepresentable changes to source" |
| 16:23.53 | mece | meh |
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| 16:26.25 | wazd | friday night, and I'm at home |
| 16:26.32 | wazd | world gone mad |
| 16:26.33 | mece | what to do? |
| 16:26.39 | mece | grr |
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| 16:31.39 | mece | uh oh.. |
| 16:31.58 | mece | hmm can I create orig out of my existing package? |
| 16:32.08 | mece | if so, then how do I do it? |
| 16:32.20 | MohammadAG_ | --createorig |
| 16:32.43 | Shapeshifter | till-: ping |
| 16:32.46 | mece | on dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 16:32.59 | slonopotamus | mece: you want smth like dpkg-buildpackage -sa |
| 16:33.11 | slonopotamus | mece: it'll create all three. |
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| 16:33.41 | mece | k, thanks |
| 16:33.41 | MohammadAG_ | mece, no, when generating the debian files with dh_make |
| 16:33.56 | MohammadAG_ | try what he said, I don't use .diff.gz |
| 16:33.57 | mece | err I have the debian files done, I don't want to recreate them |
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| 16:34.48 | MohammadAG_ | dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S |
| 16:35.19 | MohammadAG_ | or .sa for .diff.gz |
| 16:35.35 | mece | yay that one made what I needed. |
| 16:35.49 | mece | should I upload to autobiolder? |
| 16:35.54 | mece | extras |
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| 16:38.06 | MohammadAG_ | mece, if you want to... |
| 16:38.07 | MohammadAG_ | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-stylus-su-37 |
| 16:38.28 | MohammadAG_ | ironic that it doesn't say it's supported for the 5800/N900 |
| 16:39.10 | mece | omg the slowness of garage! |
| 16:39.37 | MohammadAG_ | it's quite fast |
| 16:39.45 | mece | ok.. damn it's me then |
| 16:40.49 | andrewblack_ | misses having fifterboy around to help me with small projects |
| 16:41.24 | mece | is uploading Free Heroes 2 to autobuilder |
| 16:41.30 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: he got a job, facebook claims :) |
| 16:41.32 | Stskeeps | (finally) |
| 16:41.35 | MohammadAG_ | mece, go make a cuppa or something |
| 16:41.45 | mece | gotta put the kids to bed. |
| 16:41.47 | Corsac | Stskeeps: hmhm, kexec doesn't seem to work at all :/ (though I'm not yet sure if my kernel is bootable/kexec'able so I'll try with the standard maemo kernel just to be sure |
| 16:41.51 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: thats good for him |
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| 16:42.01 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: so he showed up on irc for first time the other day |
| 16:42.01 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: not as good for me :) |
| 16:42.28 | Corsac | Stskeeps: trying kexec -l maemo-kernel --command-line=$(cat /proc/cmdline) && kexec -e should work, shouldn't it? |
| 16:42.28 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: thats cool the funny thing is when I was out of work in the past I was on irc more lol |
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| 16:43.15 | Stskeeps | Corsac: i'm not the right person to ask :P |
| 16:43.24 | Corsac | grmbl :) |
| 16:43.36 | Corsac | you recommended me kexec, I though you had played with it :) |
| 16:43.36 | Stskeeps | i'm about to dive into same stuff |
| 16:43.38 | MohammadAG_ | "death to all gnubies" LOL |
| 16:44.23 | Corsac | http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=126119434601815&w=2 seems to say that it won't work with maemo kernel, not sure about the power user maemo kernel |
| 16:45.21 | Torne | Corsac: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_kexec_install_on_N900 |
| 16:45.36 | Corsac | yeah, I'm following that too |
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| 16:46.03 | Corsac | hmhm, but maybe I still miss the kernel-flasher-maemo |
| 16:46.04 | Torne | well, it says which kernel package from extras-devel has it.. |
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| 16:46.45 | Corsac | I have the power user kernel, or something, but I guess it's not flashed so it won't boot it and so I'm still using the not-kexec-capable kernel |
| 16:47.11 | Corsac | hmhm, uname replies 2.6.28.10power-omap1 |
| 16:47.13 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; pong |
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| 16:48.40 | Mace_N900 | ugh |
| 16:48.58 | Mace_N900 | waiting on my new sofas to get here |
| 16:49.32 | andrewblack_ | I'm thinking trying to do a Boxee remote for n900 would it be possible to make buttons on Qt ui send commands that urls like http://host:port/xbmcCmds/xbmcHttp?command=<command>(<parameters>) |
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| 16:50.23 | aep | andrewblack_: yes |
| 16:50.44 | Mace_N900 | does the n900 do ir? |
| 16:50.54 | Mace_N900 | that would be awesome |
| 16:50.55 | aep | yes |
| 16:51.09 | Mace_N900 | make an mce remote emulator |
| 16:51.17 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 16:51.34 | Mace_N900 | phone/eharmony |
| 16:51.35 | MohammadAG_ | wonders why the bootmenu now has "boot off hard drive" for the N900 |
| 16:53.16 | Torne | why shouldn't it? :) |
| 16:53.32 | MohammadAG_ | actually, it seems the N810 version got installed |
| 16:53.40 | MohammadAG_ | cause there's an external HDD option |
| 16:53.45 | barisione | Jaffa: hi, are you around? |
| 16:53.56 | MohammadAG_ | why isn't my N900 booting up... |
| 16:54.56 | MohammadAG_ | guess I'm gonna need to reflash |
| 16:55.10 | Jaffa | barisione: Yes, but about to run for a train |
| 16:55.40 | barisione | Jaffa: ok, no problem then. I will ping you again on monday. you are the hermes developer, right? |
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| 16:56.49 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 16:57.05 | barisione | Jaffa: I wanted to ask you if there is any chance that you save the avatars retrieved from facebook in a file on-disk and not encoded in base64 inside the vcard. hermes makes the address book slower and some optimizations I want to implement won't benefit contacts using base64 encoded avatars |
| 16:57.18 | barisione | but I will explain you the details another day and let you catch your train :) |
| 16:57.42 | MohammadAG_ | so... how do I gain access to the serial console? :) |
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| 16:57.57 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: it's under the battery. |
| 16:58.04 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: I don't have which pins it is though |
| 16:58.09 | Corsac | wait, is /boot unmounted usually and mounted when installing a kernel package? |
| 16:58.21 | MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, I'm assuming I need a cable |
| 16:58.28 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: no. |
| 16:58.37 | mece | failed.. |
| 16:58.37 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: you need a nasty spring-loaded custom thing |
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| 16:58.57 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: that supplies power to the phone, and has spring contacts that touch the serial port |
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| 16:59.19 | MohammadAG_ | which means I need something which isn't in the box |
| 16:59.40 | Torne | yes. serial is not a supported feature for users :) |
| 16:59.47 | Torne | it's there to work with a nokia flashing jig |
| 17:00.01 | MohammadAG_ | so I'm assuming this is jtag-like? |
| 17:00.17 | SpeedEvil | no - rs232 |
| 17:00.33 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if jtag is on there - there have been conflicting reports |
| 17:00.53 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, why does it have to be nasty |
| 17:01.18 | SpeedEvil | jtag is required - prettymuch - if your processor supports it - but not another easy method of in-system programming |
| 17:01.27 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: as there isn't a db25 on the back |
| 17:01.36 | mece | zlib.h not found. Perhaps I should have listed build dependencies...? |
| 17:01.56 | mece | I have no idea how autobuilder works. |
| 17:02.14 | jacekowski | you should have |
| 17:02.18 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, ah i thought you meant something else |
| 17:03.14 | MohammadAG_ | short version is, I can't do it without something extra |
| 17:03.21 | MohammadAG_ | which I don't recall making/buying |
| 17:03.24 | frals | hmm |
| 17:03.24 | frals | Daemon running. Samples: 118 Min: -16 Max: -7 Avg: -7.88983050847 |
| 17:03.25 | frals | Daemon NOT running. Samples: 146 Min: -21 Max: -7 Avg: -7.92465753425 |
| 17:03.29 | SpeedEvil | Argh - stupid forums. |
| 17:03.32 | frals | i think those are within error margins |
| 17:03.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:03.47 | MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, request a ban, I'm on the verge of doing that on the forum I moderate |
| 17:04.01 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: It's the structure. |
| 17:04.28 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: For example - I just tried to google 'nokia n900 "serial port" battery test connector' |
| 17:04.40 | SpeedEvil | and got lots of crap coming up from tmo |
| 17:04.44 | SpeedEvil | which was n800 content |
| 17:04.52 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: there has to be jtag |
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| 17:05.04 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: everybody uses it for testing |
| 17:05.07 | SpeedEvil | which happened to have a n900 thread in the 'active topics' |
| 17:05.11 | Disconnect | jacekowski: it may exist, but that doesn't mean it comes off the board. |
| 17:05.15 | Disconnect | esp to an outside connector |
| 17:05.15 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It's likely. There doesn't have to be. |
| 17:05.51 | Torne | SpeedEvil: jtag is on there, but it probably won't let you use it without a magic nokia box. |
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| 17:05.57 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: For example, if the CPU bootloader can boot from serial, and report on stuff - it's not so absolutely required. |
| 17:06.13 | SpeedEvil | Torne: you mean on the test connectors under the battery? |
| 17:06.16 | Torne | SpeedEvil: yes |
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| 17:06.29 | SpeedEvil | Torne: I assume you can't comment on the pinout? :) |
| 17:06.30 | jacekowski | but there is lot of other stuff in there |
| 17:06.35 | MohammadAG_ | The device is now in R&D mode, doubt it will help though |
| 17:06.37 | jacekowski | that has to be tested |
| 17:06.44 | jacekowski | and jtag makes it easy |
| 17:06.47 | Torne | MohammadAG_: the R&D flag is not related |
| 17:07.07 | MohammadAG_ | Torne, not to the serial console yes, to my N900 not booting up, maybe |
| 17:07.21 | MohammadAG_ | I think I f'd up rcS-late |
| 17:07.31 | jacekowski | i've got scope |
| 17:07.43 | jacekowski | so i can play around with these pins |
| 17:07.45 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: jtag is a very nice thing to have. It's not absolutely required though if your device has a CPU supporting serial bootloader. |
| 17:08.04 | SpeedEvil | (having said that - there are a fair few gold pads - so who knows) |
| 17:08.16 | SpeedEvil | err - apart from teh above |
| 17:08.37 | Torne | anyway. the serial pads work if you enable R&D mode with flasher |
| 17:08.42 | Torne | but it's difficult to connect anything to them ;) |
| 17:08.49 | Torne | without weird nokia adapter box |
| 17:08.52 | Disconnect | even if it is there, nothing says it isn't covered by anything up to and including a glue blob. or that some of the pins aren't half a mm or less from neighboring pins, etc.. |
| 17:09.02 | SpeedEvil | passes Torne a soldering iron. |
| 17:09.08 | Torne | the *other* debug/test facilities of the connector are *probably* disabled for mortals, but i don't know for sure |
| 17:09.11 | Disconnect | it depends on how late in the manuf they use it (or if they use it at all) |
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| 17:09.22 | jacekowski | Torne: you can't disable jtag |
| 17:09.29 | SpeedEvil | I don't see a compelling case for disabling stuff. |
| 17:09.34 | Torne | jacekowski: yes you can |
| 17:09.34 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: sure you can |
| 17:09.41 | jacekowski | on some devices |
| 17:09.47 | SpeedEvil | (for nokia) |
| 17:09.49 | Torne | It won't be *disabled*, anyway |
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| 17:09.57 | Torne | It just requires a special sekrit ccertificate |
| 17:09.59 | jacekowski | on cpu in nokia jtag pins are not shared |
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| 17:10.01 | SpeedEvil | at least if the device was designed to have a user-accessible kernel and stuff |
| 17:10.04 | Torne | So it doesn't matter how late in production you need it |
| 17:10.25 | jacekowski | well, these are just theories |
| 17:10.25 | Torne | I don't know for sure on N900, i note |
| 17:10.29 | Torne | but *other* nokia devices work this way |
| 17:10.30 | jacekowski | i'll play around with it tomorrow |
| 17:10.43 | Torne | It's possible the n900 doesn't have the same security |
| 17:10.57 | Torne | but it seems unlikely |
| 17:11.00 | Torne | nokia are pretty consistent about it :) |
| 17:11.01 | lcuk | Torne, if a "sekrit" certificate is required it must be on the device |
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| 17:11.06 | Torne | lcuk: no, why would it be? |
| 17:11.10 | Torne | lcuk: public/private key crypto |
| 17:11.15 | Torne | the private key will be locked up in nokia somewhere. |
| 17:11.16 | lcuk | and accessible early in the boot sequence |
| 17:11.30 | SpeedEvil | Torne: public/private for jtag? |
| 17:11.31 | lcuk | ok, so wheres the pubkey, you have all of / available to peek into |
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| 17:11.34 | Torne | SpeedEvil: Yes |
| 17:11.39 | Torne | lcuk: It's not in the filesystem |
| 17:11.44 | SpeedEvil | Torne: there is a seperate block on teh CPU I guess to do that? |
| 17:11.45 | Torne | it will be in th especial nokia security crap |
| 17:11.49 | Torne | which is probably tied to the baseband |
| 17:11.53 | Torne | No, it's probably done on the baseband processor |
| 17:11.56 | SpeedEvil | oh - right |
| 17:12.07 | MohammadAG_ | where are conversations stored? |
| 17:12.20 | SpeedEvil | And you only get the through-loop to the cpu if you wiggle the right stuff |
| 17:12.25 | Torne | yup |
| 17:12.36 | jacekowski | MohammadAG_: in /home |
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| 17:12.40 | Torne | only the public interface of the security doohickey appears on te bus to start with |
| 17:12.51 | Torne | you have to send it the right supplication before it will let you enumerate anything else |
| 17:12.56 | SpeedEvil | I wish it was possible to open the modem |
| 17:13.00 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 17:13.03 | MohammadAG_ | is thankful that PR1.2 hasn't been released |
| 17:13.09 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: why? |
| 17:13.12 | MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, contacts? |
| 17:13.17 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: why would you play with it |
| 17:13.26 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: For example to be able to tweak 2G-3G thresholds |
| 17:13.37 | jacekowski | you can go to jail for that |
| 17:13.37 | Torne | SpeedEvil: anyway, no, i can't comment on the pinout or anything because i don't know it |
| 17:13.47 | Torne | SpeedEvil: i just know how nokia handset security in general works, in broad strokes :) |
| 17:14.23 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: For example - if my cell provider has set thresholds so that my phone flips 2g/3g dozens of times an hour - in my house - I can twiddle the thresholds a bit. |
| 17:14.24 | MohammadAG_ | sti-console, what the... |
| 17:14.28 | MohammadAG_ | nothing about that in the wiki |
| 17:14.43 | Disconnect | jacekowski: thresholds? that sounds more like "I have bad reception so be more eager to go to 2g and less eager to promote back to 3" .. nothing the fcc cares about. |
| 17:14.47 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Or so that I can pass the 3g side a list of towers in the area from the software side |
| 17:15.01 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: to reduce sync time |
| 17:15.21 | lcuk | apply to be a technical engineer perhaps? |
| 17:15.29 | Disconnect | also, given the amount of radio hackery in the 802.11g world, i still haven't heard of one person even being warned, much less going to jail. |
| 17:15.31 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: there is lots of useful stuff to be done on that side of it. |
| 17:15.40 | Disconnect | so um, you win the FUD flag for the day :) |
| 17:15.57 | jacekowski | Disconnect: i heard |
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| 17:16.15 | jacekowski | i got fined |
| 17:16.19 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/26/wifi_hacker_caught_downloading_child/ |
| 17:16.41 | jacekowski | but i was using 4W booster on wifi |
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| 17:17.10 | jacekowski | i don't know how they managed to find me |
| 17:17.21 | jacekowski | it was in middle of nowhere |
| 17:17.39 | jacekowski | and i was using it for over 2 years |
| 17:17.53 | Torne | SpeedEvil: if you get some pogo pins and do a bit of soldering you can probably make a reasonable device to connect to the serial port and provide the phone with power |
| 17:17.53 | SpeedEvil | Also - there is lots of bad stuff you can do - if you do have access to the modem. |
| 17:18.03 | SpeedEvil | Torne: yeah - I know |
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| 17:18.16 | SpeedEvil | (pogo pins are easily available on ebay) |
| 17:18.18 | Disconnect | jacekowski: ok, so your paranoia is excusable. but srsly. 2 years and a fine :) the jammers are flat out illegal and they are still being -advertised- in some restaurants/theaters in places like nyc.. |
| 17:18.19 | Torne | but other than that or soldering right onto the pads (lol) you are probably out of luck ;) |
| 17:18.28 | MohammadAG_ | so I guess there's no way to recover from an rcS-late f up - other than a reflash |
| 17:18.55 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, not reasonably |
| 17:18.56 | Torne | MohammadAG_: you can download a new kernel/initrd image using flasher |
| 17:19.00 | Torne | and then mount the FS and fix it |
| 17:19.01 | Torne | :) |
| 17:19.07 | Torne | you don't have to actually reflash |
| 17:19.34 | Torne | if you feed it a cramfs image as the initfs and specify root=/dev/ram0 it will boot to the ramdisk, and you can fix a broken rootfs |
| 17:19.35 | MohammadAG_ | Torne, does the kernel have to do with rcS-late? |
| 17:19.46 | Torne | no, but you can change the boot params |
| 17:19.53 | Torne | there are lots of possible ways to fix stuff, is all i'm saying |
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| 17:19.57 | Torne | they're not very convenient |
| 17:19.59 | SpeedEvil | Torne: sure - but there are no rescue kits. |
| 17:20.00 | Torne | but you *can* do it without reflashing :) |
| 17:20.04 | MohammadAG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.04 | SpeedEvil | Torne: at least easy ones |
| 17:20.07 | Torne | SpeedEvil: make one then? |
| 17:20.12 | Torne | :) |
| 17:20.13 | SpeedEvil | Torne: plz do. |
| 17:20.17 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
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| 17:20.40 | MohammadAG_ | I have the bootmenu installed... |
| 17:20.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/22/michigan_wifi_hackers_try/ |
| 17:20.45 | Torne | SpeedEvil: i've only had the device for ~28 hours |
| 17:20.45 | MohammadAG_ | I wonder if I can chroot from mer |
| 17:20.57 | Torne | SpeedEvil: you have to give me a while before you expect me to produce anything :) |
| 17:21.04 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: Sounds like a plan. |
| 17:21.05 | MohammadAG_ | ah crap, deleted the lib/firmware files |
| 17:21.07 | SpeedEvil | Torne: :) |
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| 17:21.42 | Torne | random question, btw: is it reasonable to boot a regular linux distribution on the device? as in, a stock copy of debian or simliar |
| 17:21.49 | Torne | i realise the baseband will not work :) |
| 17:22.00 | Torne | is anything critical missing? |
| 17:22.00 | SpeedEvil | Torne: also battery charging won't work |
| 17:22.02 | MohammadAG_ | Mer is essentailly Ubuntu |
| 17:22.06 | MohammadAG_ | essentially* |
| 17:22.06 | jacekowski | Disconnect: and i suppose they will find you faster if you are doing something in gsm frequencies |
| 17:22.08 | SpeedEvil | which is moderately important |
| 17:22.12 | Torne | charging is important? :) |
| 17:22.19 | MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, wouldn't loading bme in it work? |
| 17:22.20 | BUT5 | hii |
| 17:22.24 | Torne | i can live without chraging |
| 17:22.29 | Torne | er, charging |
| 17:22.31 | lcuk | your n900 cant |
| 17:22.33 | BUT5 | somone have free accont at runescpe??? |
| 17:22.43 | Torne | lcuk: can boot fremantle again to charge, i mean |
| 17:22.44 | MohammadAG_ | wrong channel |
| 17:22.57 | BUT5 | #stats zezima |
| 17:22.59 | MohammadAG_ | Torne, and if you break Fremantle? |
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| 17:23.04 | Torne | MohammadAG_: hm? |
| 17:23.07 | Torne | MohammadAG_: then you reflash it |
| 17:23.16 | MohammadAG_ | Torne, and if the battery's empty? :) |
| 17:23.24 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: the 'worst case' is an open GSM modem - that is widely distributed. Consider a million 12-year-olds running a 'free' data transfer app that lets them do free data transfer or video calls - using a channel but not through the telco. Wipes out dozens of calls for kilometers - potentially emergency calls too |
| 17:23.27 | Torne | then i borrow a battery |
| 17:23.30 | Torne | shrugs |
| 17:23.32 | lcuk | recharges with coffee and food |
| 17:23.35 | lcuk | and bacon |
| 17:23.37 | Torne | I am perfectly competent at recovering from cockups ;) |
| 17:23.40 | MohammadAG_ | and if there isn't any battery to borrow? |
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| 17:23.49 | Torne | i'm just wondering if there's some reason why it's a futile thing to try |
| 17:23.55 | lcuk | its not futile |
| 17:24.04 | lcuk | many have booted stock linux on maemo devices |
| 17:24.23 | SpeedEvil | Torne: no real reason. |
| 17:24.33 | SpeedEvil | Torne: I look forward to your reports on win95. :) |
| 17:24.33 | MohammadAG_ | except getting rid of closed stuff |
| 17:24.41 | lcuk | most ooh and ahh for a few days, bask as one magazine or other posts an article and then flash back to maemo |
| 17:24.43 | andres | lcuk: only because many people do a thing its not a non-futile thing :P |
| 17:25.08 | Torne | lcuk: well, my phone contains no data and has a simcard in it i don't send or receive calls/texts/data with. ;) |
| 17:25.09 | SpeedEvil | Also there is the meego images - which may be a sane base to start from |
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| 17:25.22 | lcuk | yup SpeedEvil |
| 17:25.23 | Torne | lcuk: i have it as a gadget to mess around with |
| 17:25.30 | Torne | usability as a phone/pda is not relevant |
| 17:25.31 | MohammadAG_ | shouldn't ext3 *NOT* get corrupt? |
| 17:25.32 | lcuk | so mess |
| 17:25.40 | lcuk | grab meego base and play |
| 17:25.48 | MohammadAG_ | I hate the N900's battery cover |
| 17:25.49 | Torne | meego doesn't look interesting :) |
| 17:26.04 | valdyn | MohammadAG_: it cannot corrupt unless theres a hardware failure |
| 17:26.16 | valdyn | MohammadAG_: but certain hardware failures arent that uncommon |
| 17:26.18 | frals | steals lcuks bacon |
| 17:26.22 | Torne | haha |
| 17:26.23 | lcuk | Torne, its uncharted territory |
| 17:26.34 | Torne | lcuk: hrm? |
| 17:26.36 | MohammadAG_ | PC's mounting it as read-only |
| 17:26.42 | lcuk | and its planned to incorporate dual booting :) |
| 17:26.58 | MohammadAG_ | huh, weird, I can change stuff as root |
| 17:26.59 | valdyn | MohammadAG_: so fsck -f it |
| 17:27.03 | Torne | yes, i was discussing how to dual boot effectively with Stskeeps :) |
| 17:27.04 | lcuk | at least according to the posting yesterday |
| 17:27.08 | valdyn | MohammadAG_: then its not mounted ro |
| 17:27.23 | Torne | lcuk: i need a lot more than dual booting, i have several other OSes to port to n900 ;) |
| 17:27.26 | Torne | when i get the time :) |
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| 17:27.57 | lcuk | get it right for one and the rest can follow |
| 17:28.29 | Torne | wonders how the little shiny colour change led is hooked up |
| 17:28.47 | lcuk | goes anyway |
| 17:29.06 | lcuk | i have many many beers waiting for me in the fridge and a long weekend to drink them in |
| 17:30.31 | N900evil | Torne: seen the leaked schematic? |
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| 17:30.49 | Torne | N900evil: no, i'm happy with published stuff kthx :) |
| 17:31.08 | Torne | the kernel source is answering my question as we speak ;) |
| 17:31.12 | N900evil | k |
| 17:31.39 | Torne | it is, alas, an LP5523 hooked up over I2C |
| 17:31.54 | Torne | not simple enough to be an easy "did my OS boot" light ;) |
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| 17:34.15 | frals | lcuk: share the beer! |
| 17:35.38 | N900evil | IR led isk very easy |
| 17:35.50 | MohammadAG_ | asks for a kind sole to illegally lend him a copy of lib/firmware |
| 17:35.52 | N900evil | directly hooked to pwm pin |
| 17:36.07 | lcuk | sure thing frals ive already arranged for a bottle for you remember :p |
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| 17:36.19 | N900evil | webcam will easily see the IR |
| 17:36.20 | frals | lcuk: :D |
| 17:36.25 | Torne | N900evil: interesting, that's possible |
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| 17:36.57 | MohammadAG_ | fine, no kind souls in here :P |
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| 17:37.12 | MohammadAG_ | heads to Nokia's RDA and ssh's into the N900 there |
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| 17:41.34 | Torne | N900evil: yeah, the ir transmitter might make a good test, thanks fr the idea |
| 17:41.54 | Torne | N900evil: still has quite a lot of setup though :( |
| 17:42.30 | N900evil | Torne: you mean for uboot or something before linux? |
| 17:42.37 | Torne | N900evil: hm? |
| 17:42.55 | Torne | no.. mostly i mean for pycorn, my OS :) |
| 17:43.02 | N900evil | ah |
| 17:43.27 | Torne | but that'll be a while, since i don't really have much of a driver framework done ;) |
| 17:43.32 | N900evil | ooh - that reminds me. |
| 17:43.48 | gevaerts | thinks that Torne should come with a warning sign saying "Beware of slightly insane person" :) |
| 17:43.49 | N900evil | checks on popcorn maker on ebay. |
| 17:44.12 | loppear | re default calendar alarm, http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=7159650 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46932&highlight=default+calendar+alarm etc, just screwed right? just hooked up to MfE and now I have a daily schedule that interrupts me in the middle of each halfhour with its stupid 15m alarm. |
| 17:44.14 | andrewblack_ | is so lazy when it come to having to learn programming |
| 17:44.52 | Torne | gevaerts: but in the course of pursuing my insanity i occasionally produce things which ar euseful to others |
| 17:45.02 | gevaerts | Torne: oh, I'm not denying that! |
| 17:45.10 | lcuk | new straight jacket designs? |
| 17:45.21 | Torne | lcuk: rockbox code, mostly ;) |
| 17:45.41 | lcuk | almost the same :p |
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| 17:46.40 | gevaerts | Hey! |
| 17:46.46 | GAN900 | LF videos should be up |
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| 17:47.43 | andrewblack_ | I am torn, I can make a boxee remote in no time that would run in web browser, but part of me wants to do it in qt so it looks better being its own app. Then another part of me doens't want to learn to do it in qt lol. Am I only person who is to lazy to learn no progrmaing launguages? |
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| 17:49.10 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: i made a boxee remote for my n800 with rotating screen |
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| 17:49.24 | Stskeeps | it uses the dpad and is a ~50 line python program in pygtk |
| 17:49.49 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: want to share it? |
| 17:49.59 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: sure, sec |
| 17:50.38 | MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, does mer boot without the lib/firmware files? |
| 17:50.46 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: need onscreen dpad now, you never made one for n900? |
| 17:51.15 | MohammadAG_ | yay I found them on my cloud |
| 17:51.26 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: no, but cursor buttons might do the trick |
| 17:51.31 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG_: doubt it |
| 17:51.46 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: k |
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| 17:54.48 | MohammadAG_ | oh crap |
| 17:54.48 | MohammadAG_ | the bootmenu defined the mmc as ext2 not 3 |
| 17:54.48 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: ok, my n800 has to charge first |
| 17:54.54 | Stskeeps | oh dear |
| 17:55.00 | Stskeeps | why is rick astley on polish television |
| 17:55.13 | Stskeeps | wonders why someone is rickrolling polish televison |
| 17:55.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:55.16 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: lol yeah I don't keep my n810 changed all the time anymore either |
| 17:55.29 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: saw my photo of meego codedrop on n810? |
| 17:55.40 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: nope |
| 17:55.47 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/meegoonn810.jpg |
| 17:55.58 | Stskeeps | fascinating UI |
| 17:55.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:56.10 | frals | hmm |
| 17:56.16 | gevaerts | That must be real. It's too easy to fake :) |
| 17:56.26 | frals | updating an application from ham, does the pre/postrm get run? |
| 17:56.55 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: wow want some themes for that UI? Really it is cool |
| 17:57.08 | jacekowski | frals: i think only postinst |
| 17:57.09 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: decorating the windows would be a start |
| 17:57.24 | jacekowski | and preinst |
| 17:57.42 | Stskeeps | man, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624464 was received well |
| 17:57.59 | Arkenoi | which package does contain "normal" ps command? |
| 17:58.06 | Stskeeps | busybox? |
| 17:58.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:58.09 | redeeman | psmisc |
| 17:58.11 | MohammadAG_ | is there any way to mount the N900's rootfs partition? |
| 17:58.14 | redeeman | ? |
| 17:58.15 | MohammadAG_ | I know the risks |
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| 17:58.24 | redeeman | or pstools |
| 17:58.26 | jacekowski | MohammadAG_: it is mounted on / |
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| 17:58.40 | MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, err, let me rephrase |
| 17:58.43 | MohammadAG_ | mount it on my PC |
| 17:58.56 | gevaerts | nfs? |
| 17:58.58 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, surely because they don't get what it actually means. |
| 17:59.08 | MohammadAG_ | without being able to boot up |
| 17:59.20 | Stskeeps | GAN900: got to say A before you say B.. no fun stuff without a proper hardware adaptation |
| 17:59.28 | lcuk | andrewblack_, black on white or for the dangerous crew white on black! |
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| 18:00.10 | andrewblack_ | lcuk: can't be go old school and get some green on well another green |
| 18:00.29 | lcuk | now now |
| 18:00.41 | lcuk | so when will the retro theme be out? :D |
| 18:02.02 | Stskeeps | ah, you're right |
| 18:02.35 | Stskeeps | why didn't we publish meego codedrop with fullscreen green text on black background.. |
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| 18:03.12 | RST38h | Stskeeps: puzzles me too |
| 18:04.50 | mece | ok, so if nothing is heard from the autobuilder in a while, does that mean build succeded? |
| 18:06.47 | MohammadAG_ | damn, the bootmenu is trying to use mmcblk0p2 |
| 18:07.03 | MohammadAG_ | which is, I'm assuming, the internal card on the N8x0 |
| 18:07.07 | mece | woot! byuild succeeded!! |
| 18:07.10 | mece | build too |
| 18:07.15 | Arkenoi | Is there a reason why we do not have ionice? |
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| 18:07.28 | MohammadAG_ | Ah screw this, I'll reflash |
| 18:14.16 | Stskeeps | andrewblack_: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/test.py , http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/curlit , put in /root/ , chmod +x them, and install wget .. replace IP in the script |
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| 18:14.23 | Stskeeps | it's a nasty nasty hack but feel free to improve it |
| 18:14.32 | Stskeeps | you need to have the webserver running on boxee |
| 18:15.05 | andrewblack_ | Stskeeps: thanks |
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| 18:18.43 | valdyn | Arkenoi: "we" ? |
| 18:19.02 | user__ | why went my RAM down to 10M free after a few minutes? |
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| 18:19.05 | user__ | i just booted... |
| 18:19.19 | valdyn | user__: because thats how the linux kernel works |
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| 18:19.43 | user__ | ok, but before, i could use web |
| 18:20.08 | user__ | now it says "Task cancelled due to low memory" or smth (other language) |
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| 18:21.00 | valdyn | user__: how much swap is used / free ? |
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| 18:21.21 | lcuk | user__, you installed something |
| 18:21.25 | lcuk | and now after booting its running |
| 18:21.31 | lcuk | and eating everything |
| 18:21.33 | user__ | 6M used |
| 18:21.35 | Arkenoi | valdyn: it is not in the maemo distribution, so is there a reason for it? |
| 18:21.56 | user__ | and i haven't installed anything since a few days ago |
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| 18:21.59 | valdyn | Arkenoi: the maemo distro doesnt ship many cli tools at all |
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| 18:23.03 | user__ | i could try reboot, but i really have to access internet atm... |
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| 18:23.17 | valdyn | Arkenoi: no one packaged it, thats all I think |
| 18:24.03 | valdyn | user__: maybe that error wasnt even about ram |
| 18:24.08 | lcuk | user__, run top |
| 18:24.11 | lcuk | and see whats doing it |
| 18:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | indexer messing and wanking around after boot |
| 18:24.39 | valdyn | user__: you can use shift-M in top to sort by process size iirc |
| 18:24.56 | valdyn | user__: but I think you should check your disk space too anyway |
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| 18:25.08 | user__ | interesting that conky and "free" gives different info |
| 18:25.23 | user__ | lcuk, sure |
| 18:25.25 | Arkenoi | valdyn, given io to be most likely bottleneck on maemo it is really strange |
| 18:25.45 | RST38h | Arkenoi: why not compile and package it ? |
| 18:26.02 | valdyn | Arkenoi: its neat, but nokia doesnt support power users really |
| 18:26.24 | valdyn | Arkenoi: thats up to volunteers packaging... |
| 18:26.30 | user__ | browser eats 24M |
| 18:26.37 | valdyn | user__: thats not much |
| 18:26.39 | user__ | that's the one eating most of it |
| 18:26.53 | user__ | so there's smth wrong somewhere |
| 18:27.02 | valdyn | user__: ram is not supposed to be free, thats not your primary problem |
| 18:27.08 | user__ | especially as the swap is almost used at all |
| 18:27.13 | user__ | ok |
| 18:27.20 | valdyn | user__: check disk space.. |
| 18:27.36 | user__ | i did |
| 18:28.02 | user__ | same as last time i maded a "check for not filling root", and then i didn't have any problems |
| 18:28.16 | user__ | if you want to know it anyway, shoot |
| 18:28.42 | lcuk | ok whats the busiest couple of processes |
| 18:28.59 | valdyn | i dont know about any process that would mlock |
| 18:29.20 | valdyn | i would probably wait and try again to run that program that didnt work ( webbrowser i guess ) |
| 18:29.43 | user__ | xorg, hildon-desktop, browser - sorted by cpu |
| 18:30.23 | lcuk | deffo odd - does the browser come up then die with mem error or immediately |
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| 18:31.17 | valdyn | typically the n900 will break down and crawl insanely slow before it anything runs oom anyway |
| 18:31.26 | user__ | and nont of them eat cpu/mem extremly |
| 18:31.26 | user__ | none* |
| 18:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | valdyn: ack |
| 18:31.51 | valdyn | user__: do you still get the error when you try again? |
| 18:31.54 | valdyn | DocScrutinizer: why ack? |
| 18:31.56 | MohammadAG_ | guess I'll have to actually flash rootfs |
| 18:31.56 | user__ | yes |
| 18:31.59 | user__ | or well |
| 18:32.04 | user__ | the browser is there |
| 18:32.07 | MohammadAG_ | I wanna know where I f'd up though... |
| 18:32.18 | user__ | but i have a notification that doesn't go away |
| 18:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | valdyn: +1 for oom vs drinding halt |
| 18:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | grinding even |
| 18:32.33 | user__ | about "task temp cancelled due to low mem" |
| 18:32.39 | MohammadAG_ | user__, killall hildon-home, it will reset widgets though |
| 18:32.41 | user__ | and i'm unable to goto any sites |
| 18:32.44 | valdyn | DocScrutinizer: as long as i can kill something myself i prefer crawling |
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| 18:32.52 | dymaxion_ | hi anyone know how to change the SMS message centre number on the N900 i 've googled and can't find it on my menus anywhere |
| 18:33.02 | MohammadAG_ | Oh, Operations temporarily disabled due to low memory |
| 18:33.06 | MohammadAG_ | user__, just reboot |
| 18:33.30 | user__ | k |
| 18:33.36 | dymaxion_ | oh typicall.. just as i give up.. i found the setting ! no worries |
| 18:33.59 | ToJa92 | [dymaxion_]: I was just going to type a instruction for you :P |
| 18:36.09 | mece | Free Heroes 2 is now in extras-devel. under education, LOL. Will upload a version with the proper listing. info: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624831 |
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| 18:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | puts head through wall at bug #9407. |
| 18:42.41 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9407 Browser: Do not show fullscreen button when scrolling with the keyboard |
| 18:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | Spec spec spec |
| 18:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | It like Nokia's sanity-killing tool. |
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| 18:44.04 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:45.32 | pupnik | the problem with the web browser is the web SITES |
| 18:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, not in this case. |
| 18:45.48 | pupnik | ok |
| 18:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | The problem here is, once again, stupid Nokia UI designers. |
| 18:46.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's always stupid Nokia UI designers |
| 18:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | imagines Maemo without Nokia's stupid UI designers. |
| 18:46.35 | pupnik | i see full screen button when scrolling with kbd atm |
| 18:46.40 | mece | soo... what's the license on a game demo? |
| 18:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | fsck, backup's restore set my kbd back to German layout :-S |
| 18:47.20 | mece | can you include data files from a game demo in a mamoe package? |
| 18:48.09 | mece | maemo package. |
| 18:48.50 | pupnik | mece see how duke nukem handles it |
| 18:49.03 | mece | how does it handle it? |
| 18:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: imagine you and me were allowed to proofread & edit the UI specs :-D |
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| 18:50.57 | mece | here's the license included in the package: |
| 18:50.57 | mece | http://paste2.org/p/789701 |
| 18:51.38 | MohammadAG_ | mece, you did optify the package right? |
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| 18:52.23 | mece | MohammadAG, idunno what is right. the package is in opt, a tiny script and the icon and the .desktop file is in rootfs. |
| 18:52.44 | mece | MohammadAG, heh I misread it. Yes. It's optified. |
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| 18:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | is doing a jig dance for the joy of being allowed to use decent up/down arrow keys |
| 18:52.57 | pupnik | i really think 2) lets you redistribute it mece |
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| 18:53.32 | mece | pupnik, so it seems. |
| 18:53.43 | mece | I could make a data package. fheroes2-demodata or something |
| 18:53.44 | mece | optional |
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| 18:54.57 | MohammadAG_ | GRRR |
| 18:55.09 | MohammadAG_ | Is there any way to change the bugtracker link? |
| 18:55.12 | pupnik | mece ther data package would let repo maintainers place the redistibutable bin wherever needed. do that |
| 18:56.12 | mece | pupnik, I have no idea what you just said, apart from the "do that" part :D |
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| 18:58.19 | mece | can you make stuff install to MyDocs? I guess that would be a bad idea actually... |
| 18:58.19 | pupnik | mece: seperate data package has advantages |
| 18:58.25 | mece | pupnik, yep. |
| 18:58.31 | MohammadAG_ | mece, you can, it is |
| 18:59.02 | mece | pupnik, people who has the actual game don't want to download useless demo data. |
| 18:59.17 | pupnik | also true |
| 18:59.18 | MohammadAG_ | MyDocs can be exported over USB, and if users actually deleted /usr since it had too much "useless" stuff would delete game data |
| 18:59.24 | MohammadAG_ | they would* |
| 18:59.36 | pupnik | ((thefinalcutter83:)) According to CNN.com: "Iranian missile may be able to hit U.S. by 2015." |
| 18:59.50 | mece | whoa. pretty slow missile |
| 18:59.53 | pupnik | ((SpaceInvader455:)) That's one slow f*ckin missile. |
| 18:59.57 | pupnik | :) |
| 19:00.04 | mece | haha simple minds think alike |
| 19:00.08 | pupnik | nice |
| 19:00.12 | MohammadAG_ | mece, you'll have a slight issue though, you can't make it a dependency |
| 19:00.30 | mece | no. but I can make fheroes2 a dependency on fheroes2-demodata |
| 19:00.55 | MohammadAG_ | true, but do you actually want the data package visible in the repos? |
| 19:01.01 | mece | why not? |
| 19:01.08 | MohammadAG_ | idk |
| 19:01.19 | mece | I think it would be a good solution to this |
| 19:02.03 | mece | it's only 40 megabytes, so I guess it could go in /opt/ |
| 19:02.28 | MohammadAG_ | I think /opt should've been on a separate 8GB flash |
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| 19:05.18 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, all hell. |
| 19:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
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| 19:06.28 | GAN900 | One good thing about Nokia dropping support is that we don't have to play games working around their insanity. |
| 19:07.10 | SpeedEvil | dropping support for? |
| 19:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 19:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | dropping support? |
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| 19:08.49 | GAN900 | lol |
| 19:08.51 | GAN900 | Anything |
| 19:09.01 | GAN900 | Diable, Fremantle, N900 |
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| 19:09.16 | GAN900 | means the community is free to continue support how they please |
| 19:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | *** [chanserv] is kicking GAN900 for evil trolling |
| 19:09.46 | GAN900 | Muahaha |
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| 19:10.17 | GAN900 | It also tends to stimulate activity. |
| 19:10.28 | SpeedEvil | not the nokia 3330! |
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| 19:20.59 | opdf2 | is it recommended to reboot the n900 after an application installation/update? |
| 19:21.20 | MohammadAG_ | no reason to do it |
| 19:21.25 | opdf2 | k cool |
| 19:21.53 | MohammadAG_ | andre__, just reflashed, and I can confirm that Nokia Messaging is actually visible after reflashing |
| 19:21.58 | MohammadAG_ | so it's an operator issue |
| 19:22.00 | liori | where can i find which parts of fremantle are closed source? |
| 19:22.03 | andre__ | weird. aha. |
| 19:22.18 | MohammadAG_ | liori, wiki |
| 19:22.26 | andre__ | liori, http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ |
| 19:22.43 | andre__ | MohammadAG_, feel free to add a comment to the bug ticket |
| 19:22.49 | liori | andre__: thanks |
| 19:22.52 | Stskeeps | liori: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html for guide for it |
| 19:23.21 | andre__ | Stskeeps, pah! your tables are totally intuitive! :-P |
| 19:23.35 | SpeedEvil | ~xclosed |
| 19:23.38 | SpeedEvil | ~closed |
| 19:23.39 | infobot | somebody said closed was http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 19:23.43 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 19:23.45 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 19:23.47 | SpeedEvil | that too |
| 19:24.08 | SpeedEvil | syhould read to the end of the screen before pressing the buttons. |
| 19:24.49 | liori | ok... i guess i got what i asked, not what i meant :-) |
| 19:25.30 | andre__ | so what can we do you for, young gentleman? :-P |
| 19:26.17 | liori | is it possible to freely interoperate with things like contacts, gps and so on? i don't care if the software managing those is closed, as long as i can get and push user data |
| 19:27.13 | Stskeeps | there's a lot of apis |
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| 19:28.20 | Arkenoi | did anyone try to change io scheduler on builtin memory card? how does it feel? |
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| 19:28.51 | dr_barnowl | Hi there, does maemo cache the SIM details anywhere specific? |
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| 19:29.53 | dr_barnowl | I'm getting "SIM card registration failed" ... confirmed not to be an upstream cause or the SIM ; I've got an RMA envelope coming to me but I thought it might be interesting at least to investigate. |
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| 19:30.55 | liori | Stskeeps: are there any notable exceptions? |
| 19:31.21 | MohammadAG_ | andre__, Venomrush seems to have marked it as a duplicate although the bugs aren't very similar |
| 19:31.41 | andre__ | feel free to reopen then |
| 19:31.45 | MohammadAG_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9613 |
| 19:31.45 | povbot | Bug 9613: Nokia Messaging Service no longer showing up after reinstall |
| 19:31.51 | Stskeeps | liori: see what apis exist in docs |
| 19:31.54 | MohammadAG_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8085 |
| 19:31.55 | povbot | Bug 8085: Nokia Messaging unavailable as an option if SIM card from unsupported region? |
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| 19:32.08 | andre__ | MohammadAG_, please reopen, and elaborate :) |
| 19:32.08 | MohammadAG_ | andre__, it's invalid anyways |
| 19:32.29 | MohammadAG_ | INVALID or WORKSFORME |
| 19:33.37 | andre__ | hehe. pick your poison. :-P |
| 19:33.56 | andre__ | MohammadAG_, I'm getting into weekend mode, don't expect me to make decisions :-P |
| 19:34.05 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 19:34.19 | pupnik | something that can kill performance-sapping web designers |
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| 19:35.14 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Flash. |
| 19:35.38 | SpeedEvil | http://www.uk.pg.com/products/products/flash.html |
| 19:35.51 | dr_barnowl | smirks |
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| 19:36.05 | mece | uploading fheroes2-demodata package to builder :) |
| 19:36.27 | liori | one last question: is smooth video playing possible outside the closed video player? |
| 19:36.42 | pupnik | congrats and thanks mece |
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| 19:36.50 | mece | pupnik, we'll see ... |
| 19:37.10 | pupnik | liori: yes |
| 19:37.12 | andre__ | liori, check for yourself by e.g. using kmplayer from extras repo? or gstreamer? :) |
| 19:37.16 | mece | 20 megs upload this. I hope it works on the first one |
| 19:37.16 | SpeedEvil | liori: mplayer is quite smooth for me |
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| 19:37.30 | liori | andre__: i don't have the device now :-) |
| 19:37.39 | SpeedEvil | (for content where it can adequately decode the video) |
| 19:37.39 | andre__ | ah, okay :) |
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| 19:38.10 | lejonet | Hi everyone, I just bought my N900 today. I love the phone so far but I have found one annoying bug, whenever I have the USB cable in I get an annoying noise similar to coil whine, its a high pitch constant noise that is wailing |
| 19:38.36 | liori | i've got freerunner now and i am disappointed at the quality of software |
| 19:38.46 | lejonet | Anyone know if this is a known issue or if I should just return it to the store I bought it at and get a new one? |
| 19:38.52 | Stskeeps | liori: ah, n900 is heaps better |
| 19:39.00 | Stskeeps | lejonet: is this a usb adaptor to a pin charger? |
| 19:39.05 | Stskeeps | or straight usb |
| 19:39.25 | lejonet | Stskeeps: It is the miniUSB -> USB |
| 19:39.30 | dr_barnowl | lejonet, I've seen reports of the old-charger-to-new-connector whining |
| 19:39.52 | dr_barnowl | lejonet, But mine is silent on the USB charger |
| 19:39.56 | lejonet | dr_barnowl: Well this is USB-> USB |
| 19:39.59 | liori | Stskeeps: i see that now |
| 19:40.02 | lcuk | lejonet, are you over 20? |
| 19:40.03 | liori | thanks for answers |
| 19:40.24 | lejonet | lcuk: why is that important lol? But no I am not |
| 19:40.32 | dr_barnowl | lejonet, I've used the mains charger and the USB charger and not noticed noise on either - it goes on my nightstand on the mains charger and I'd go nuts if it whined |
| 19:40.35 | lejonet | The noise is really annoying :P |
| 19:40.58 | lcuk | lejonet, its of all importance : do you hear high pitched noises from other equipment? |
| 19:41.01 | lejonet | It is sortof the noise made by an audible dog whistle |
| 19:41.05 | OldChap | young people can hear high frequencies |
| 19:41.06 | dr_barnowl | lejonet, He's probably referring to high pitched noises that old'uns can't hear because they lose the acuity at that range |
| 19:41.10 | lcuk | (the age question is because your hearing drops off rapidly with age) |
| 19:41.14 | MohammadAG_ | doesn't mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 mount the MMC? |
| 19:41.15 | lejonet | lcuk: Yes, I have very good hearing according to test :P |
| 19:41.21 | lejonet | s/test/tests/ |
| 19:41.34 | andre__ | so does this also happen with the Nokia-default USB to PC connection cable? |
| 19:41.37 | dr_barnowl | lejonet, But it's not a hard fact - and I can hear those noises, and I'm 35, but I've always had freakishly good high-range hearing |
| 19:41.38 | lejonet | Haha correctional bot? Awesome :P |
| 19:41.47 | lcuk | ok, do other devices bug you like this one, or is it just another bit of buzz |
| 19:42.07 | mece | hehey! http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/fheroes2-demodata/1.0-maemo-1/ |
| 19:42.08 | lcuk | my kids tell me the tv makes same noise |
| 19:42.11 | lcuk | cant hear it |
| 19:42.28 | dr_barnowl | can hear that, but hasn't heard high pitched noises from N900 |
| 19:42.33 | lejonet | dr_barnowl: Well we did a test at my work place with those annoying high freq apps you can get with Nexus one and I heard the noise long before the others did :P |
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| 19:42.35 | Stskeeps | lejonet: is there a same noise when usb-to-computer? |
| 19:42.41 | andre__ | luck: and your kids are damn right I tell ya! :-P |
| 19:42.43 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, lol same here |
| 19:42.44 | _llll_ | high pitch nosies go even as "old" as 25 i believe |
| 19:42.55 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, you are a kid! |
| 19:42.57 | lejonet | lcuk: The noise goes away if I unplug the N900 from the computer |
| 19:43.02 | dr_barnowl | Hah, I'm 35 and I can still hear them |
| 19:43.06 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, same as your kids :P |
| 19:43.08 | lejonet | Stskeeps: It is the USB -> computer one |
| 19:43.14 | MohammadAG_ | parents can't hear it :) |
| 19:43.27 | lcuk | ok lejonet i know it goes away - is the noise coming from 900 or laptop? |
| 19:43.29 | Stskeeps | lejonet: hmm, vendor cable? |
| 19:43.36 | lejonet | Stskeeps: yes |
| 19:43.41 | lejonet | lcuk: The N900 |
| 19:43.50 | Stskeeps | lejonet: does usb charger do the same? |
| 19:44.00 | lejonet | Stskeeps: Havent tried, i'll give it a try |
| 19:44.17 | andre__ | buys some kids that use a high frequency language to each other so they can talk bad stuff without parents noticing it |
| 19:44.34 | dr_barnowl | Heh, teach them morse |
| 19:44.43 | dr_barnowl | And get them a high-freq morse buzzer each |
| 19:45.05 | dr_barnowl | thinks he just invented a new way of cheating in exams |
| 19:45.05 | lcuk | isnt that essentially what sms is :p |
| 19:45.15 | lcuk | silent messages flying through the air |
| 19:45.16 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:45.31 | mece | does this actually work: gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 19:45.32 | lejonet | Stskeeps: The USB charger does not make that sound |
| 19:45.37 | lcuk | only th kds cn undrsnt thm |
| 19:45.40 | mece | to get icons visible after install |
| 19:45.45 | dr_barnowl | Yeah, but you can't get busted for just having an penlight that happens to have a high pitched buzzer in it |
| 19:45.46 | liori | dr_barnowl: invented? pfff, my sister used this techniques for some time already :P |
| 19:46.04 | Stskeeps | lejonet: check another usb cable too |
| 19:46.08 | lejonet | Stskeeps: i'll try with some of the other USB ports on another computer, I have had problems with those USB ports on the computer before |
| 19:46.15 | dr_barnowl | So ; anyone else had the "SIM card registration failed" thing, now that it's lively |
| 19:46.34 | lejonet | Stskeeps: I'll see if I have any other miniUSB cables, I should have a pair |
| 19:46.35 | mece | omg it's already in extras-devel. That went fast. |
| 19:46.37 | andre__ | dr_barnowl, nope. what is it about? |
| 19:46.43 | dr_barnowl | It's not a banned IMEI or bad SIM |
| 19:47.00 | dr_barnowl | andre__, My phone, aint a phone ; it's just a small computer |
| 19:47.17 | dr_barnowl | andre__, It won't log into the cellular network |
| 19:47.20 | andre__ | sounds like you bought an "N900" then. ;-) |
| 19:47.25 | dr_barnowl | The SIM works in my OTHER phone |
| 19:47.43 | lcuk | take it out and reseat it perhaps |
| 19:47.46 | andre__ | dr_barnowl, get a syslog. see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers#Need_a_syslog |
| 19:47.53 | lcuk | make sure the little clip cage hasnt come unclippied |
| 19:48.05 | andre__ | ...and file a bug report in bugs.maemo.org :) |
| 19:48.11 | dr_barnowl | And it worked in the N900 before - I just swapped it out to go on a stag weekend and when I came back it just does "SIM card registration failed" |
| 19:48.13 | mece | fheroes2-demodata downloading... |
| 19:48.36 | dr_barnowl | lcuk, The little cage is fine... it knows the difference between no sim and having a sim |
| 19:48.51 | dr_barnowl | lcuk, Don't get the "no sim" icon with the SIM in, but do with it out |
| 19:49.03 | lcuk | ok |
| 19:49.10 | lejonet | Stskeeps: I have no other miniUSB cables :( Seems the ones I thought arent compatible, just a mm or so too fat :P |
| 19:49.14 | ds3 | what carrier? |
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| 19:49.28 | dr_barnowl | The SIM works in my old phone... and another SIM from my friends phone (same network) doesn't work either. |
| 19:49.35 | dr_barnowl | vodafone |
| 19:49.57 | andre__ | +country? |
| 19:49.59 | ds3 | maybe they blacklisted your IMEI? |
| 19:50.15 | lejonet | Stskeeps, lcuk: Must've been the USB port phew... I added the vendor cable into my laptops USB and no sound |
| 19:50.19 | dr_barnowl | ds3, I was onto vodafone this morning and recited my IMEI twice so I don't think it's that |
| 19:50.40 | dr_barnowl | ds3, They are sending me a "repair pack" postage envelope... 5-7 business days :-( |
| 19:50.48 | lcuk | :) lejonet or your ears have finally collapsed |
| 19:50.53 | ds3 | maybe your sim is worn out from too many changes |
| 19:51.01 | lejonet | lcuk: Haha yeah or that :/ :P |
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| 19:52.03 | dr_barnowl | ds3, Nope, still works in my old phone |
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| 19:52.23 | dr_barnowl | ds3, It is a rather old model SIM, but it worked in the phone before.. |
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| 19:52.29 | lejonet | Well thanks for your help guys ^^ |
| 19:52.53 | lejonet | This is the first smart phone I have ever owned, going to be alot to get used to lol :P |
| 19:52.57 | lcuk | lejonet, what you say? cant hear you sorry. |
| 19:53.25 | mece | Ok wow. everything works! |
| 19:53.29 | lejonet | lcuk: Hahaha :P *turns your hearing aids louder* :P |
| 19:54.16 | lcuk | wonders what to work on in liqbase this weekend |
| 19:54.35 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: A hospital-training program. |
| 19:54.43 | lejonet | Now I just have to find openttd again and this device already owns all other phones regardless :P |
| 19:54.44 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: liqOR. |
| 19:55.02 | lcuk | i was thinking something to show distance from nearest volcano |
| 19:55.54 | lcuk | but it will need ccookes' confrabulator |
| 19:56.12 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 19:56.20 | SpeedEvil | active volcanos? |
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| 19:56.37 | lcuk | yeah isnt it wise to stay away from them! |
| 19:56.51 | SpeedEvil | A bit of spherical geometry, a small db, and you're done. |
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| 19:57.12 | lcuk | nods - was a joke |
| 19:57.38 | SpeedEvil | No! |
| 19:57.46 | SpeedEvil | It's a vital need of the whole community! |
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| 19:57.53 | SpeedEvil | I know I need a volcano warning app. |
| 19:58.15 | SpeedEvil | Can you also include plagues of locusts, and double-glazing-salesmen? |
| 19:58.28 | E0x | hehhehe |
| 19:58.30 | ds3 | Mmm locusts |
| 19:58.56 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, could the locust program work for frogs? |
| 19:59.06 | FredrIQ | volcanowarner... gief that |
| 19:59.06 | lcuk | or would that need a whole new app |
| 20:00.02 | ds3 | but isn't the real question - what is the best notification for the volcanowarner? |
| 20:00.10 | ds3 | should it just vibrate or.... |
| 20:00.42 | lcuk | lol thats earthquakewarner |
| 20:00.56 | lcuk | builtin application |
| 20:01.22 | dr_barnowl | lcuk, Hmmph, have a syslog |
| 20:02.03 | dr_barnowl | lcuk, but not very revealing... lots of SIM_IND messages, which have "cause" codes... things with a cause worry me... but it's followed by a lot of stuff that says "sim ready" |
| 20:02.09 | lcuk | dr_barnowl, i didnt ask for it |
| 20:02.56 | dr_barnowl | lcuk, Just being chatty :-) |
| 20:07.21 | mece | anyone tried fheroes2 yet? I'm curious to know if it works for others. |
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| 20:18.06 | GAN900 | Worst part of watching Talk's decline is all of the incorrect info going uncorrected. . . . |
| 20:18.40 | ccooke | GAN900: you can't make *everyone* right. It is the tragedy of our times. |
| 20:18.51 | GAN900 | ccooke, indeed. |
| 20:19.16 | ccooke | (Evening, all) |
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| 20:20.20 | MohammadAG_ | evening ccooke |
| 20:20.54 | ccooke | is about to vanish again, bah. Spent half an hour trying to get to the internet, now my train's almost in to Manchester :-) |
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| 20:21.43 | ccooke | Time flies, when you're... attempting to make a flaky internet connection damn well work *this* time. |
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| 20:22.19 | BCMM_ | anyone played beneath a steel sky on their n900? i can't seem to work out the keybindings... |
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| 20:33.27 | dr_barnowl | ccooke, Where did you start? |
| 20:33.42 | dr_barnowl | ccooke, If it was Leeds, that line is dreadful for any kind of connectivity |
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| 20:38.30 | MohammadAG | hates these silent moments |
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| 20:40.22 | C-S-B-N900 | htc desire has a good spec! kind of shadows the n900. |
| 20:40.52 | C-S-B-N900 | the mrs is getting it, she would reap the benefits of linux. |
| 20:41.13 | ShadowJK | it's same as nexus one, except htc-android :P |
| 20:41.56 | C-S-B-N900 | anything apart from 32gb that i can claw back with? |
| 20:43.36 | Shapeshifter | C-S-B-N900: the screen is crappy. |
| 20:43.50 | C-S-B-N900 | really? |
| 20:43.51 | Shapeshifter | C-S-B-N900: beautiful colors but ugly fonts |
| 20:44.00 | lcuk | C-S-B-N900, just plug n900 into tv? |
| 20:44.01 | Shapeshifter | and crap in sunshine as well |
| 20:44.04 | SpeedEvil | n900fly |
| 20:44.19 | Shapeshifter | C-S-B-N900: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars |
| 20:44.34 | lcuk | then get a projector and show n900 ui running on the side of a building |
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| 20:44.44 | Shapeshifter | C-S-B-N900: though if I was to get an android phone, it'd probably the desire atm. |
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| 20:44.53 | dr_barnowl | Download the SDK and put it on a 1680x1050 monitor |
| 20:45.23 | Mace_N900 | skype works incredibly well over tmob 3G |
| 20:45.28 | C-S-B-N900 | hw wise, it out perform n900 though? |
| 20:45.43 | Shapeshifter | C-S-B-N900: what good is that when the OS and app base is crap ;) |
| 20:45.56 | C-S-B-N900 | thanks guys! |
| 20:46.44 | C-S-B-N900 | just trying to make myself feel better for chosing the bulky linux phone. |
| 20:46.52 | C-S-B-N900 | geek over chic. |
| 20:47.00 | Shapeshifter | C-S-B-N900: did you read the article. gives some good insights |
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| 20:50.52 | C-S-B-N900 | Shapeshifter: yeah, interesting read. |
| 20:51.12 | Mace_N900 | hm |
| 20:51.30 | Mace_N900 | trying to find where all the skype options are |
| 20:51.47 | C-S-B-N900 | Mace_N900: what options? |
| 20:51.47 | MohammadAG | Contacts > Title Bar > Groups > Skype > Title Bar |
| 20:51.54 | C-S-B-N900 | Mace_N900: what options? |
| 20:52.12 | MohammadAG | C-S-B-N900, those options ^ |
| 20:52.34 | Arkenoi | wonders if *anything* can be done to avoid jerky video playback. caching input stream? mplayer does it, does not really fix the problem. renicing background tasks? helps somehow but not really again. changing io scheduler? |
| 20:52.53 | Mace_N900 | naw.. just wanted to chwck my credit |
| 20:53.02 | MohammadAG | Mace_N900, call some wrong number |
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| 20:53.14 | Mace_N900 | to make sure it wasnt using it when i called |
| 20:53.18 | Mace_N900 | like android |
| 20:53.31 | MohammadAG | it shows credit in a call |
| 20:53.43 | Mace_N900 | yeah.. but outside the call |
| 20:53.48 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 20:53.51 | MohammadAG | I think there's a way |
| 20:53.59 | Mace_N900 | wonder if there is a widget for that |
| 20:54.01 | Mace_N900 | there is |
| 20:54.02 | Stskeeps | Mace_N900: it doesn't 'call a number' like android crap, at least :P |
| 20:54.07 | wall[e] | anyone think, tap-tap-hold then tilt the phone to zoom is a good interface?v |
| 20:54.10 | MohammadAG | Mace_N900, Skype settings in conversations |
| 20:54.16 | Mace_N900 | sts: yeah |
| 20:54.27 | MohammadAG | Conversations > Title Bar > Settings > Skype account > scroll down |
| 20:54.30 | Mace_N900 | that was horrible |
| 20:54.35 | Mace_N900 | i saw it |
| 20:54.39 | Mace_N900 | thanks tho |
| 20:54.58 | Mace_N900 | stskeeps.. tmob forced them to do that |
| 20:55.09 | MohammadAG | Just noticed an option to disable land line calls |
| 20:55.16 | MohammadAG | might be useful, some day |
| 20:55.20 | Mace_N900 | why disable it? |
| 20:55.31 | MohammadAG | when I run out of credit I'll disable it |
| 20:55.41 | MohammadAG | I've had 10 bucks in my Skype for 3 months |
| 20:55.48 | MohammadAG | I just call using my phone |
| 20:55.49 | Mace_N900 | me too |
| 20:56.17 | MohammadAG | cheaper to call neighboring countries using mobile too |
| 20:56.32 | Mace_N900 | they charge $3 month |
| 20:56.39 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 20:56.44 | MohammadAG | Charge are PAYG |
| 20:56.45 | Mace_N900 | for unlimited |
| 20:56.49 | MohammadAG | Skype is* |
| 20:56.55 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 20:57.08 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 20:57.18 | Mace_N900 | better than 30 a month that real phone companies charge |
| 20:57.28 | MohammadAG | I wonder if unlimited supports Israel |
| 20:57.36 | Mace_N900 | i have actual skype phones |
| 20:57.44 | Mace_N900 | with the base |
| 20:57.48 | MohammadAG | Firefox's Awesome bar is awesome |
| 20:57.48 | Mace_N900 | theyre great |
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| 20:57.56 | MohammadAG | I have my N900 for that :) |
| 20:58.05 | Arkenoi | skype sucks |
| 20:58.07 | Arkenoi | sip is better |
| 20:58.21 | Mace_N900 | heh.. says you |
| 20:58.22 | MohammadAG | $5.95 |
| 20:58.27 | MohammadAG | per month |
| 20:58.27 | Mace_N900 | i love skype |
| 20:58.28 | MohammadAG | omg |
| 20:58.38 | Mace_N900 | saved me a lot so far |
| 20:58.44 | wall[e] | anyone think, tap-tap-hold then tilt the phone to zoom is a good interface? |
| 20:58.48 | wall[e] | ooops |
| 20:58.52 | Arkenoi | Mace_N900, why not use SIP? |
| 20:58.54 | MohammadAG | wrong channel? :P |
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| 20:59.08 | Mace_N900 | because i already have skype phones |
| 20:59.10 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: IO scheduler blows. |
| 20:59.12 | Mace_N900 | so why bother? |
| 20:59.25 | Mace_N900 | amd it works great |
| 20:59.26 | MohammadAG | wall[e], too cumbersome imo |
| 20:59.39 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: do scp or app-install, or anything disk heavy. Everything skips/pauses/judders |
| 20:59.42 | wall[e] | ok |
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| 21:00.22 | wall[e] | sorry i dup the line |
| 21:00.49 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, the problem is you do not really have to scp or apt-get to see jerky video. as-daemon or modest will do that for you as well. |
| 21:00.57 | wall[e] | not familair with irc over vnc that much ) |
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| 21:02.06 | sECuRE | i managed to get the profile (general, silent) using the libdbus-lowlevel API. is dbus-glib supposed to support such operations (calling a method, getting a string from the answer) or is it a more high-level thing for gobjects only? |
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| 21:03.01 | Arkenoi | so if i want to watch a movie i have to enable offline mode. otherwise *something* surely will happen affecting playback performance. |
| 21:03.19 | sECuRE | Arkenoi: works for me |
| 21:03.37 | MohammadAG | Merging should be automatic on the N900 :s |
| 21:03.39 | Arkenoi | sECuRE, what exactly? |
| 21:03.51 | sECuRE | Arkenoi: i watched three dr. who episodes (each about 45 min) without being in offline mode and without noticing any slowdowns/hangs/⦠|
| 21:04.26 | Arkenoi | sECuRE, maybe you do not have push email and contact/calendar sync enabled? |
| 21:04.33 | sECuRE | correct |
| 21:04.40 | Arkenoi | ha |
| 21:04.56 | ShadowJK | I noticed that mafw-*gst* grows enormously in size when watching stuff |
| 21:06.48 | pupnik | well it looks like we can see what the chinese are choosing for a tablet OS http://besttabletreview.com/page/2/ |
| 21:07.17 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: check pss, not rss |
| 21:07.18 | SpeedEvil | or uss |
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| 21:07.59 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, well swapfile use went from 300 to 150megs when it crashed ;p |
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| 21:16.44 | Mace_N900 | this thing is still going |
| 21:17.18 | Mace_N900 | i wonder how long the battery lasts if you dont use it... my n810 used to go for almost a week |
| 21:17.33 | nid0 | i can get like 3 days tops out of my n900 |
| 21:17.43 | nid0 | wifi off, bluetooth off, and idle |
| 21:17.47 | zappa | MohammadAG: my Muslim buddy thought your app was the bees knees. |
| 21:18.08 | summel | anyone got the SDK working on kubuntu 10.04 RC? |
| 21:18.30 | Arkenoi | can get 3 days from my n900 with wifi and bt on |
| 21:18.47 | summel | Mace_N900: 2-3 days with wifi and 3g and bt on and using wifi ~ 2-3 hours per day |
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| 21:20.06 | Mace_N900 | wow |
| 21:20.15 | Mace_N900 | it is a beast |
| 21:20.22 | Mace_N900 | i love this thing |
| 21:20.30 | summel | it's perfect |
| 21:20.30 | summel | nearly |
| 21:20.30 | summel | :D |
| 21:20.44 | summel | mine arrives tomorrow \o/ |
| 21:21.08 | Mace_N900 | if the desktop had a portrait mode it would be perfect |
| 21:21.17 | Mace_N900 | hides |
| 21:21.41 | summel | yes most apps dont have a portrait mode :/ |
| 21:21.47 | summel | that would indeed be nice |
| 21:21.51 | Mace_N900 | i dont mind the apps |
| 21:21.53 | Disconnect | if apps in general had portrait mode it'd be nice |
| 21:21.57 | Mace_N900 | but the desktop |
| 21:21.57 | zappa | its far from perfect ut the best thing out there in my mind |
| 21:22.04 | summel | but at least the sonser works better then the one in my E52 >_> |
| 21:22.09 | Mace_N900 | i hate a landscape only desktop |
| 21:22.38 | Disconnect | i'm used to g1, sendo x, etc. portrait with optional landscape. way easier to use, esp one-handed or when you can't set it down |
| 21:22.47 | Mace_N900 | when glancing at the phone it is a pain to rotate your arm around to read it for whatever reason |
| 21:22.47 | MohammadAG | smiles |
| 21:22.56 | MohammadAG | zappa, did he vote for it? :) |
| 21:23.07 | summel | yes support for both modes should be required (excet for games) |
| 21:23.15 | Disconnect | zappa: play with a droid (or milestone). its getting really close to amazingly awesome, esp when its jailbroken |
| 21:23.25 | summel | ewww |
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| 21:23.32 | summel | jailbroken |
| 21:23.34 | Mace_N900 | i hate android |
| 21:23.44 | zappa | MohammadAG: he uses a balckberry, but I will register his vote. |
| 21:23.47 | summel | yes android is strange |
| 21:24.01 | MohammadAG | zappa, wait! Gonna upload a small fix for the bugtacker link :) |
| 21:24.17 | Disconnect | has issues with android, but many of those were solved when we rooted it.. |
| 21:24.35 | zappa | Disconnect: I might try to get andorid on my iphone and see whats up with android these ays. I am very ingnorant of whats going on in Android. |
| 21:24.36 | MohammadAG | rooted? |
| 21:24.49 | MohammadAG | never tried android |
| 21:24.54 | Disconnect | been on the n900 for about 3 days now, and what i miss is apps (but at least 2 of those android apps should be core features, regardless of platform) |
| 21:25.00 | Mace_N900 | i hate android |
| 21:25.02 | MohammadAG | when I was in Germany I saw a G1, someone locked it |
| 21:25.07 | Mace_N900 | oops |
| 21:25.09 | Mace_N900 | i have a g1 with cyanogen on it |
| 21:25.21 | MohammadAG | Mace_N900, it had a blocked SIM :/ |
| 21:25.21 | Mace_N900 | cyanogen made it ok |
| 21:25.31 | MohammadAG | never seen an android after that |
| 21:25.38 | Disconnect | MohammadAG: most devices ship with strong app sandboxes. rooting also provides root access (via popup verifier usually - "such-and-such app wants root access to run: /bin/sh" cuz apps never say what specific command :/ ..) |
| 21:25.39 | MohammadAG | that was in June last year |
| 21:25.53 | zappa | MohammadAG: My buddies one thing was that the arabic was in "old arabic" and he had trouble reading the writing. He grew up in morroco and learned english, french and modern arabic i guess. |
| 21:26.12 | Disconnect | Mace_N900: yah i've got his 2.x beta on my g1 right now, gonna give it to the wife as soon as i find her a replacement sd card |
| 21:26.12 | MohammadAG | zappa, that's how the Quran is :) |
| 21:26.12 | Mace_N900 | i hate that android doesnt have a gnu base |
| 21:26.27 | summel | is there no #maemo-dev? :D |
| 21:26.38 | Mace_N900 | the linux part is just a hcl |
| 21:26.43 | Disconnect | Mace_N900: yah but realistically, thats what caused htc, samsung, etc to pick it up |
| 21:26.55 | MohammadAG | Is android good? |
| 21:27.00 | MohammadAG | better than Symbian? |
| 21:27.04 | summel | no |
| 21:27.05 | summel | maybe |
| 21:27.10 | summel | but symbian is really great |
| 21:27.11 | summel | imho |
| 21:27.16 | summel | multitasking ftw |
| 21:27.20 | summel | qt4 support ftw |
| 21:27.20 | Disconnect | MohammadAG: its getting there. i'd definitely say its better than s80 and getting really close to s60 (but then again, i'm assuming s60 got better since i last used it :) ..) |
| 21:27.20 | zappa | MohammadAG: aye. but maybe when i use the englsih version the names of the suras(sp?) are translated? |
| 21:27.21 | summel | :D |
| 21:27.29 | dockside | qt4 "support" |
| 21:27.40 | summel | dockside: qt4 works great on my e52 |
| 21:27.41 | MohammadAG | zappa, afaik that's not implemented in the PC app |
| 21:27.42 | Disconnect | summel: android manages mt without having to make the user manage it. 98% of the time thats a huge win. |
| 21:27.53 | dockside | tried developing qt4 stuff for s60? |
| 21:27.53 | Disconnect | transparently kill/restore apps.. |
| 21:27.59 | summel | the only thing that annoys me is that most devs wrote the example qt4 apps for touchscreen devices :( |
| 21:28.02 | dockside | whole diffrent story |
| 21:28.04 | MohammadAG | Disconnect, when did you last use S60? |
| 21:28.08 | summel | dockside: no im not a developer yet :( |
| 21:28.09 | Disconnect | MohammadAG: sendo x :) |
| 21:28.16 | summel | i want to develop for my n900 :) |
| 21:28.16 | MohammadAG | huh? lol |
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| 21:28.19 | Disconnect | that was a pretty awesome phone actually |
| 21:28.33 | dockside | dont bother with the with s60 development |
| 21:28.34 | zappa | MohammadAG: wouldn't know anything about that. But he was a blackberry users that was really impressed. |
| 21:28.53 | Disconnect | MohammadAG: it took s60 and made it modern, back in 2003 |
| 21:28.59 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 21:29.07 | Disconnect | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Sendo_X.php |
| 21:29.16 | MohammadAG | Disconnect, S60 had its time, particularly in 2006-2008 |
| 21:29.19 | MohammadAG | N95 times |
| 21:29.27 | summel | dockside: do you develop for maemo? |
| 21:29.29 | Disconnect | yah i never got to mess with it then |
| 21:29.37 | MohammadAG | then it started getting pointless |
| 21:29.45 | MohammadAG | the N95 had the best cam on the market |
| 21:29.52 | MohammadAG | when it was released |
| 21:29.55 | summel | MohammadAG: imho the X6 looks really nice |
| 21:29.57 | Disconnect | ditto sendo :) |
| 21:29.58 | dockside | no but from what i see from the maemo sdk |
| 21:30.03 | MohammadAG | 3 years later, and they're still using the same 5MP cam |
| 21:30.08 | dockside | it seems a lot better |
| 21:30.09 | summel | haven't used it so far but the device looks nice ^^ |
| 21:30.16 | zappa | MohammadAG: its fun cause I was raised Catholic ( now agnostic) and love discussing/learning things with/from him. And its cool cause he can say check out this sura...etc. |
| 21:30.26 | MohammadAG | summel, that's the problem, the N97 looked nice, both have crappy RAM and CPUs |
| 21:30.27 | summel | dockside: i can't get the SDK installed :( |
| 21:30.35 | Disconnect | they took the amiga style of offloading to task-specific chips |
| 21:30.51 | summel | MohammadAG: is the N97 the phone that has the size of a camera and slides up and down? |
| 21:30.59 | summel | or was that the 95? :D |
| 21:31.03 | Disconnect | so it was fast, it was skilled and it was a really awesome device :) with a flash beforephones had one |
| 21:31.08 | MohammadAG | zappa, well, I like discussing stuff with other religions, some people take offense so I don't do it often |
| 21:31.45 | MohammadAG | summel, the N97 has a hinge, it looks like this sideways _/ |
| 21:32.09 | Disconnect | in any case, sounds like about the same era - sendo backported a bunch of stuff for the x, so it was similar to the later phones |
| 21:32.11 | summel | MohammadAG: ewww :D |
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| 21:32.19 | MohammadAG | early prototype http://dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/nokia-n97-hands-002.jpg |
| 21:32.20 | summel | i dont like hinges on phones |
| 21:32.26 | MohammadAG | summel, actually, it looked wonderful |
| 21:32.31 | summel | and i never liked sliding phones either until the n900 :) |
| 21:32.36 | MohammadAG | felt more natural in the hand than the N900 |
| 21:32.42 | summel | ah |
| 21:32.48 | summel | kinda like the E90 |
| 21:32.55 | summel | but cheaper |
| 21:32.57 | summel | oh |
| 21:33.08 | summel | ah |
| 21:33.11 | summel | now i remember |
| 21:33.11 | MohammadAG | The N900 feels kind of cramped (some people's joints get tired after typing a lot) |
| 21:33.13 | MohammadAG | I don't |
| 21:33.20 | Disconnect | i kinda like the g1 slider, strangely enough. took getting used to but it feels way more natural than the straight rails. and its got durability - abused it for a year and a half with no issues. now i have towork to not drop the n900 when slidign it open one-handed |
| 21:33.24 | summel | there is also an E97 mini? |
| 21:33.27 | MohammadAG | I went from the N95 to the N97 |
| 21:33.30 | MohammadAG | N97 mini, yes |
| 21:33.34 | summel | eww |
| 21:33.36 | Disconnect | not a fan of the g1 chin tho :) although hw make/break buttons were nice |
| 21:33.38 | GAN900 | misses the N800's fingerkeyboard. |
| 21:33.41 | summel | it looks and feels so cheap |
| 21:33.41 | MohammadAG | was a huge disappointment |
| 21:33.43 | summel | when open |
| 21:33.53 | MohammadAG | summel, the N97? on the contrary |
| 21:33.54 | Disconnect | GAN900: n900 has it. the full-screen OSK? |
| 21:33.58 | summel | like its really thin plastic and could break anytime |
| 21:34.01 | MohammadAG | it has THE best hinge I've ever seen |
| 21:34.03 | Disconnect | just gotta enable it in settings |
| 21:34.04 | ShadowJK | the split-qwerty phones from Nokia have maybe better typing feel, but N900 rocks for typing |
| 21:34.13 | GAN900 | Disconnect, it's full of both un- and intentional regressions. |
| 21:34.21 | GAN900 | Disconnect, nowhere near as nice. |
| 21:34.28 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, I like the N900, never did a speed test but i get high speeds |
| 21:34.35 | Disconnect | ah ok |
| 21:34.36 | MohammadAG | (can't beat GAN900 though) |
| 21:34.45 | GAN900 | zoom zoom |
| 21:34.46 | summel | but i love the n900 :) have used the one from my freind for a few days now and tomorrow i get my own :) |
| 21:35.11 | GAN900 | I almost hit N800 speeds during Ari's talk, but I paid for it after. |
| 21:35.15 | Disconnect | lol. sendo review: "We're talking lots of memory here. Lots and lots. There's a total of 64mb Flash memory, some of which is used for the Operating System." ... whoa, a whole SIXTY FOUR MEGS!! :) |
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| 21:35.45 | MohammadAG | GAN900, any speed tests for the N900? :) |
| 21:36.25 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | HAH, feeling tired after typing N900-qwerty? I *love* my querty ith the real cursor keys, now that I got rid of the awful ugly German wertzu |
| 21:38.38 | MohammadAG | is maemo.org/packages down? |
| 21:38.46 | summel | DocScrutinizer: yes the german keyboard is strange :/ |
| 21:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | ÃÃÃÃBER-strange |
| 21:39.19 | Disconnect | i keep hitting 'm' instead of space :( |
| 21:39.19 | summel | xD |
| 21:39.27 | summel | hmmm that has not happened to me yet |
| 21:39.35 | Disconnect | and i hate the old-style complete where backspace sometimes means "erase the last letter" and sometimes means "erase the completion" |
| 21:39.39 | summel | but doom and supertux etc do not really work |
| 21:39.46 | summel | because of the missung up & down keys |
| 21:39.47 | MohammadAG | Disconnect, happened to me at first (when I switched from the N97 to the N900) |
| 21:39.48 | summel | :/ |
| 21:40.08 | MohammadAG | N97 > N73 (got depressed, jk :P) > N86 > N900 |
| 21:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | kick completion, it's useless, as is auto-capitals |
| 21:40.40 | Disconnect | combined, i do a lot of "gom over to them barmand check form meloncholy" :) |
| 21:40.59 | summel | DocScrutinizer: at least make it optional :) |
| 21:41.09 | summel | optional is mostly lways better then removing ^^ |
| 21:41.17 | Disconnect | i like completion when its well-behaved (multiple wordlist and select with right-arrow or click, don't affect INPUT) but this just isn't. |
| 21:41.21 | Disconnect | and its got some bizarre ideas |
| 21:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | thank god it *is* optional |
| 21:41.39 | summel | :D |
| 21:41.51 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, any of the web tests should be workable, but I haven't done any, no. |
| 21:42.04 | MohammadAG | cracks his fingers |
| 21:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | eeewww |
| 21:43.07 | GAN900 | Disconnect, there's a bug about the stupid completion backspace behavior. |
| 21:43.27 | GAN900 | Disconnect, as usual, Nokia UI people are thick as bricks. |
| 21:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:43.50 | summel | yes the n900 UI could look soooo much better |
| 21:44.01 | summel | just hire nuno for a few days <3 |
| 21:44.21 | Disconnect | GAN900: there's something they have in common with android. you can't submit any patches upstream that include ui changes because "the ui artists won't approve it because it doesn't match their requirements. which they mostly communicate in random hallway discussions, or not at all." |
| 21:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | starts uttering high screaming vocals |
| 21:45.24 | Disconnect | ok guy at the next table (yay for working-from-home at a bar :) ..) is waving a nexus one around. its -nice-. |
| 21:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | points at OM epic fail when first thing pourred in concrete was GTA03's case |
| 21:46.07 | Disconnect | or at least, its way thinner than i thuought |
| 21:46.14 | greenfly | no keyboard = dealbreaker |
| 21:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack designers |
| 21:46.36 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing designers |
| 21:46.39 | Disconnect | greenfly: if they'd sent me one i'd have stuck with android. but they sent me a droid and i have less than zero desire to go to vzw so i sold it and put the $$ towards n900 |
| 21:46.42 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> eeewww |
| 21:46.43 | MohammadAG | what |
| 21:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | now they are called 'artists' even - OMFG |
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| 21:47.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no F words on #maemo please :P |
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| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | removes keycap between 'D' and 'G' |
| 21:49.14 | MohammadAG | OMFG |
| 21:49.18 | MohammadAG | 58 WPM |
| 21:49.24 | MohammadAG | 56* |
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| 21:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | words per minute? |
| 21:49.49 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 21:50.14 | Disconnect | greenfly: i've heard a lot of kb-only people say the OSK on the n1 is fast enough/accurate enough to replace a hw keyboard. and its not insane like maemo's osk so it even works ;) |
| 21:50.30 | greenfly | Disconnect: touchscreen keyboards suck for interactive shell sessions |
| 21:50.31 | MohammadAG | GAN900, http://www.typingtest.com/ Test instructions, 1 minute |
| 21:50.32 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:50.41 | greenfly | since half your screen or more is taken up w/ a keyboard |
| 21:50.44 | ShadowJK | the biggest problem with osk isn't soeed |
| 21:50.52 | ShadowJK | speed* |
| 21:50.56 | greenfly | and I actually use the terminal on the n900 quite a bit |
| 21:51.01 | N900evil | MohammadAG: on n900? |
| 21:51.05 | Torne | greenfly: that's not even the worst problem; touchscreen keyboards rely on autocorrection mostly, which doesn't work for character based input |
| 21:51.12 | MohammadAG | N900evil, yes |
| 21:51.13 | Disconnect | greenfly: depends on the keyboard and screen res |
| 21:51.16 | ShadowJK | it's the space that could be used for displaying whatever it's your replying to |
| 21:51.17 | N900evil | MohammadAG: I can only hit 28. |
| 21:51.30 | MohammadAG | I'm badass |
| 21:51.31 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:51.36 | greenfly | Disconnect: for anything that'd fit in your pocket, it means a big sacrifice whenever you type |
| 21:51.49 | greenfly | and I use the terminal for irc and mail among other things |
| 21:51.56 | N900evil | MohammadAG: 2 thumbs? |
| 21:51.56 | greenfly | so a touchscreen keyboard is a dealbreaker for me |
| 21:51.57 | MohammadAG | N900evil, well I'm on my PC now, but I did the test on the N900 |
| 21:52.00 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 21:52.08 | N900evil | youtube |
| 21:52.24 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 21:52.34 | Disconnect | i did tons of ssh (and local) hackering on the g1 with both the osk and the hw kb. the res is so bad to begin with, losing some isn't the end of the world. going to the old telnet line-mode crap of n900 -is-, however, the end of the world :) |
| 21:53.09 | microlith | telnet line-mode? |
| 21:53.14 | Disconnect | microlith: the n900 osk |
| 21:53.19 | microlith | oh that |
| 21:53.31 | MohammadAG | waits for G-A-N900's test results |
| 21:53.33 | Disconnect | and lol - http://twitter.com/googleandblog/status/12723661747 |
| 21:53.38 | MohammadAG | -s so as not to ping him |
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| 21:55.33 | Disconnect | ok n900 is -seriously- io-bound. installing maps, copying mp3s, etc all drags the ui to a screeching halt |
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| 21:56.25 | Disconnect | how do i convince the gallery app |
| 21:56.38 | Disconnect | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.33 | Disconnect | ugh. it just ejected the sd card from the pc without prmpting. thats gonna leave a mark. |
| 21:58.08 | GAN900 | Disconnect, N1 is a piece if shit |
| 21:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, 19WPM out of the cold. And my spacekey occasionally makes noises :-/ |
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| 21:59.10 | GAN900 | Disconnect, OLED is way oversaturated, pixels are jagged, Snapdragon is slow in GPU and has no DSP, no hardware keyboard, etc. |
| 21:59.14 | GAN900 | capacitive |
| 21:59.19 | Disconnect | GAN900: haven't played with one. initial impressions of n900 are well below g1 though, and even the droid can stomp the g1 so.. n900 has potential but its so far from there... |
| 21:59.23 | GAN900 | Limited extra hardware features |
| 21:59.28 | GAN900 | oh, and Android. |
| 21:59.38 | GAN900 | Android sucks. |
| 21:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | eeeek, c-ts |
| 21:59.43 | GAN900 | End of story |
| 22:00.07 | GAN900 | As the embarrased owner of a free Nexus One, I can't stand anything about it. ;) |
| 22:00.39 | Disconnect | GAN900: go to exchange.andblogs.net and swap it for a droid or cash.. |
| 22:00.54 | GAN900 | Cash cash cash |
| 22:01.05 | GAN900 | May make its way to one needy friend or another |
| 22:01.22 | GAN900 | But, man, I dunno what people see in this platform. |
| 22:01.27 | MohammadAG | GAN900, so did you do the test? :) |
| 22:01.35 | C-S-B-N900 | is hermes broke? |
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| 22:01.42 | MohammadAG | (that's a challenge btw) |
| 22:01.58 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, not yet. |
| 22:02.00 | Disconnect | GAN900: apps. continuity. performance. |
| 22:02.04 | Disconnect | portrait mode ;) |
| 22:02.08 | GAN900 | is distracted by realword crap |
| 22:02.12 | GAN900 | What performance? |
| 22:02.17 | MohammadAG | itching to find out GAN900's WPM score |
| 22:02.18 | GAN900 | It's freaking Java |
| 22:02.20 | MohammadAG | is* |
| 22:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: so that's what you get from doing heretics |
| 22:02.32 | greenfly | got 32wpm adjusted |
| 22:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | bah, on N900? |
| 22:03.17 | Disconnect | GAN900: ooooh, neat. so you're reasoning from assumptions instead of reality. cool. you're right, "end of story". too many assumptions. |
| 22:03.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you do the test, then say bah :P |
| 22:03.43 | greenfly | Disconnect: yeah |
| 22:03.46 | GAN900 | Android is off-topic anyway |
| 22:03.54 | greenfly | er, DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 22:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2010-04-23 23:58:36] <DocScrutinizer> hmm, 19WPM out of the cold. And my spacekey occasionally makes noises :-/ |
| 22:04.18 | MohammadAG | wonders if DocScrutinizer fired up the N900's browser |
| 22:04.48 | MohammadAG | am I fast, or is the test failing? |
| 22:05.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, put some pressure on the keyboard and move it upwards |
| 22:05.08 | MohammadAG | my shift key used to make noise |
| 22:05.09 | MohammadAG | s |
| 22:05.10 | GAN900 | 48 wpm adjusted |
| 22:05.21 | GAN900 | That felt slow. |
| 22:05.33 | MohammadAG | 56, I hold the fastest score! :P |
| 22:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | ooh friggin freaky shit, had to reinstall apps - now xchat is nagging me with idiotic banners all the time :-((( |
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| 22:06.28 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, rm /usr/lib/xchat/somenotifyplugin.so |
| 22:06.34 | MohammadAG | sec I'll get the filename |
| 22:06.44 | MohammadAG | Oh wait |
| 22:06.47 | MohammadAG | I reflashed :s |
| 22:07.19 | zappa | anyone has a lin to the mafw dbus commands? I'm having a hard time finding it atm. Lost my bookmarks. |
| 22:07.39 | GAN900 | Round two is 61 wpm |
| 22:07.48 | GAN900 | Now my thumbs hurt. . . . |
| 22:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | HEEEEELP!!! I have to click away every single one of those |
| 22:08.04 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: every one of |
| 22:08.07 | MohammadAG | GAH 58 |
| 22:08.10 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: what? |
| 22:08.11 | MohammadAG | you beat me |
| 22:08.12 | N900evil | DocScrutinizer: you mean on pm? |
| 22:08.20 | MohammadAG | rm the .so file! |
| 22:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | xchat |
| 22:08.32 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, my biggest issue is accuracy is all over the place. |
| 22:08.36 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: thats the problem |
| 22:08.44 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: with desktop apps |
| 22:08.50 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: on mobiles ;) |
| 22:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | uhuhh! |
| 22:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | that they occasionally go apeshit? |
| 22:09.58 | Disconnect | (otoh I was in #android when the first irc client was released to the market. it wasn't clear about description and resulted in several hundred users signing in going "a/s/l?" or worse. pretty funny actually.) |
| 22:10.27 | Disconnect | the really funny part is it technically wasn't against the channel rules. it is now tho. |
| 22:11.06 | N900evil | >18,y,scotland |
| 22:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | how can I vote down an app? |
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| 22:12.11 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, XChat? |
| 22:12.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thumbs down |
| 22:12.25 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, is the notification plugin bothering you? |
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| 22:12.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ... <MohammadAG> rm the .so file! |
| 22:13.01 | MohammadAG | need I say it again? :) |
| 22:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | LOOOOOL -best thing is: it (xchat) seems to time out on irc server when you do not click away those idiotic notifier banners immediately |
| 22:13.32 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, works fine here. :P |
| 22:13.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they crash my N900 |
| 22:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: that's impossible to work fine -it's brainfucked by design |
| 22:14.21 | MohammadAG | no f words! :P |
| 22:14.28 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, what's the issue? |
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| 22:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | there's a banner popping up for every highlight in xchat - that's the major part of the issue |
| 22:15.21 | Disconnect | MohammadAG: er, how do i talk about how fine a featureset the flashy fone has without using f words? ;) |
| 22:15.40 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: so if i was to ask how you liked xchat, would you say it was |
| 22:15.45 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: terrible? |
| 22:15.48 | MohammadAG | god fucking damn it, not that f word |
| 22:15.51 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:15.54 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: or is it worth it anyway ;) |
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| 22:16.18 | MohammadAG | Disconnect, XChat is epic, the plugin however... |
| 22:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: it was worth it until I was forced to update today |
| 22:16.37 | Disconnect | heh |
| 22:16.45 | Disconnect | forced is an f word, be careful ;) |
| 22:17.16 | MohammadAG | does a /cs op, and notices the +o on the other server |
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| 22:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | same to you, chaserv op ban kick all have no key-between-D-and-G |
| 22:17.58 | Disconnect | whats wrong with e? |
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| 22:18.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err, huh? lol |
| 22:18.55 | MohammadAG | î KnightStalker (bot22@ |
| 22:19.00 | MohammadAG | I think it's safe to assume that's a bot |
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| 22:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: any issues? |
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| 22:20.18 | MohammadAG | no, but the green-brown text is getting a lot |
| 22:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | green brown text? |
| 22:20.50 | MohammadAG | Join - part |
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| 22:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | are you talking bot join/quit msgs? |
| 22:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 22:21.10 | MohammadAG | î knightstalker_ (knightstal@server-001.fayntic.com) has joined #maemo |
| 22:21.10 | MohammadAG | î knightstalker_ has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 22:21.12 | MohammadAG | these |
| 22:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | none here, I disabled thjem |
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| 22:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | shall I ban him? |
| 22:21.58 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 22:22.01 | MohammadAG | your call |
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| 22:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | *I* don't care. I never even realized |
| 22:22.24 | _llll_ | it's quite usual to set temp bans for people with connection issues |
| 22:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:22.39 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:22.44 | lcuk | beer ftw |
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| 22:22.59 | _llll_ | or sometimes if you force a part it works to stop them rejoining |
| 22:23.44 | Disconnect | lcuk: http://twitpic.com/1huwyq |
| 22:24.04 | lcuk | hahaha Disconnect |
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| 22:24.21 | lcuk | ill use my other account when im back downstairs only came back for a smoke |
| 22:24.36 | Disconnect | literally just posted it |
| 22:24.59 | *** mode/#maemo [+b knightwalker!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 22:26.08 | _llll_ | (that ban wont work) |
| 22:26.21 | Disconnect | lol |
| 22:26.23 | Disconnect | yah |
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| 22:28.57 | summel | oO |
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| 22:30.39 | summel | lol |
| 22:30.52 | summel | dont give up! |
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| 22:31.08 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: you should try |
| 22:31.12 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: your ban |
| 22:31.15 | _llll_ | needs to be e.g., +b knightstalker*!*@* or |
| 22:31.15 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: again.... |
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| 22:31.30 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@server001.fayntic.com] by DocScrutinizer |
| 22:31.45 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*@server001.fayntic.com] by DocScrutinizer |
| 22:31.55 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@server-001.fayntic.com] by DocScrutinizer |
| 22:31.55 | _llll_ | that one was fine too |
| 22:34.20 | Disconnect | ugh. nokia multimedia transfer is claiming its gonna spend 2 hours per 2 minute onion (or howitsmade) video before syncing it. podcast fail |
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| 22:36.41 | summel | is there a up-to-date vmware/virtual box image with maemo5 sdk? the installer always fails :( |
| 22:37.03 | *** mode/#maemo [-b knightwalker!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 22:37.14 | MohammadAG | summel, how does it fail? |
| 22:37.36 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:37.47 | summel | MohammadAG: http://summel.de/m5.log |
| 22:38.16 | MohammadAG | summel, use the scripts |
| 22:38.25 | summel | :O but i like qt4 guis |
| 22:38.25 | summel | :D |
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| 22:38.40 | summel | how do the scripts work? run script a then script b? |
| 22:38.50 | MohammadAG | summel, basically yes |
| 22:38.59 | summel | ok i will try that then |
| 22:39.12 | summel | do i have to run the scripts as the user i want to install the sdk for? |
| 22:39.15 | MohammadAG | then get a token and add it it, then apt-get update && apt-get install nokia-binaries |
| 22:39.15 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 22:39.26 | MohammadAG | summel, there's a wiki entry |
| 22:39.29 | MohammadAG | hey PhonicUK |
| 22:39.39 | PhonicUK | hows it going? |
| 22:39.46 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#VDSO_support |
| 22:39.51 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation * |
| 22:39.55 | summel | thx :) |
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| 22:40.14 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, nm, just browsing the repos |
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| 22:40.23 | PhonicUK | righto |
| 22:40.29 | PhonicUK | hunts for a freenode admin |
| 22:41.29 | Disconnect | PhonicUK: ? |
| 22:41.36 | PhonicUK | I was supposed to get my hostname cloak |
| 22:41.38 | Disconnect | and they're generally available on #freenode with no waiting |
| 22:41.40 | Disconnect | aaah |
| 22:41.41 | PhonicUK | for donating to Freenode |
| 22:42.01 | Disconnect | used to get a free hostname cloak by using ipv6 with 100-char hostnames |
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| 22:42.11 | PhonicUK | i worked out that i donate approx 0.5% of my income each year :) |
| 22:42.24 | PhonicUK | to charities or NPOs |
| 22:42.35 | Disconnect | clearly you need a better job. or a cheaper irc network ;) |
| 22:42.49 | Disconnect | oh. you need a better religion ;) |
| 22:43.00 | PhonicUK | I'm an atheist :P |
| 22:43.08 | PhonicUK | and i work full time for NSN as a software engineer ^_^ |
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| 22:44.17 | summel | National Software Nerds? :o |
| 22:44.26 | PhonicUK | Nokia Siemens Networks |
| 22:44.28 | summel | :D |
| 22:44.48 | summel | i really like nokia but siemens is just fail :o |
| 22:44.52 | d14 | o/ |
| 22:44.58 | summel | o/ |
| 22:45.05 | PhonicUK | yah lol |
| 22:45.08 | d14 | i need sleep! |
| 22:45.16 | PhonicUK | we get discount for siemens stuff but not nokia stuff :\ |
| 22:45.17 | summel | !give sleep |
| 22:45.17 | PhonicUK | which sucks |
| 22:45.23 | summel | :D |
| 22:45.59 | d14 | summel: doest work ;) |
| 22:46.10 | PhonicUK | server.channels("#maemo").getUserByHandle("#d14").sleep(8*60*60,false); |
| 22:46.33 | PhonicUK | \s\#d14\d14 |
| 22:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: (100char) LOL |
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| 22:48.11 | PhonicUK | downloads Visual Studio 2010 and Office 2010 |
| 22:48.12 | d14 | PhonicUK: and some mcd for lunch? :)) |
| 22:48.15 | Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: it was things like "youd.be.cooler.if.you.had.mange.sigkill.net" and ipv4 resolved to various random ips (localhost, goatse.cx, etc) |
| 22:48.18 | PhonicUK | mcd? |
| 22:48.24 | d14 | macdonald ;) |
| 22:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: /stats p |
| 22:48.31 | PhonicUK | i wish :P |
| 22:48.33 | Disconnect | should have ended them with "burmashave" but i only did tha tonce |
| 22:48.34 | d14 | :)) |
| 22:48.40 | PhonicUK | DocScrutinizer, yah i kno :P |
| 22:53.22 | Shapeshifter | mh. this RSS reader that shipped with the n900 is utter crap, I just noticed. Never looked at it before. not finger friendly, looks awful.... |
| 22:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | is going to disable that annoying join/parts again. Holler if some bot or UA is spamming the chan |
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| 22:54.10 | Disconnect | Shapeshifter: the one thing i -really- miss from android is newsrob (google reader client, with offline caching. but most of the time i used it with a nice connection) and the ability to switch/manage windows in portrait mode |
| 22:55.07 | PhonicUK | Anyone tried using Mono on their N900? |
| 22:55.57 | summel | MohammadAG: 2nd script fails at installing sudo and then later a few other packages because sudo is not configured :o |
| 22:56.12 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 22:56.15 | summel | so it fails at the same part the gui installer fails :( |
| 22:56.20 | MohammadAG | try clearing out the targets |
| 22:56.28 | MohammadAG | is it an x64 machine? |
| 22:56.32 | summel | how do i do that? |
| 22:56.36 | summel | no i686 |
| 22:56.43 | summel | atom |
| 22:56.56 | summel | PhonicUK: ewwww mono |
| 22:56.59 | PhonicUK | :P |
| 22:57.09 | summel | use silverlight >_> |
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| 22:57.19 | PhonicUK | I've got a load of .NET code and I don't wanna port it to C++ |
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| 22:57.33 | PhonicUK | eeh Silverlight is a .Net based web app framework |
| 22:57.34 | summel | port it to python :) |
| 22:57.37 | PhonicUK | thats not gna help :P |
| 22:57.40 | summel | i know it was a joke :P |
| 22:57.42 | PhonicUK | :P |
| 22:57.55 | PhonicUK | I want to run my IRC dameon on my device :) |
| 22:57.59 | PhonicUK | tis super awesome |
| 22:58.03 | summel | PhonicUK: use quassel |
| 22:58.09 | PhonicUK | quassel? |
| 22:58.11 | summel | afaik there is a maemo5 client |
| 22:58.16 | summel | quassel irc client/core |
| 22:58.22 | summel | www.quassel-irc.org |
| 22:58.30 | PhonicUK | read more carefully |
| 22:58.32 | PhonicUK | IRC Daemon |
| 22:58.35 | PhonicUK | i use xchat on my device :P |
| 22:58.43 | PhonicUK | as the client |
| 22:58.48 | summel | ewww xchat |
| 22:58.58 | mece | heey! |
| 22:59.02 | PhonicUK | xchat is awesome |
| 22:59.09 | mece | bad channel to dis xchat! |
| 22:59.09 | d14 | hm |
| 22:59.16 | PhonicUK | but yeah ive been writing my own IRC server, and its very cool |
| 22:59.30 | PhonicUK | it can cope with 65000 simultanious users (in theory) |
| 22:59.34 | summel | quassel core is a commandline "client"/db system that runs 24/7 on your server and connects to your networks etc... and then you connect the quassel client (qt4 platform independent) to your core <3 |
| 22:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke xchat |
| 22:59.39 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at xchat ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 22:59.41 | PhonicUK | and thats only because of the 64k port limit |
| 22:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | the *new* xchat |
| 22:59.51 | PhonicUK | and Lua scripting integrated into the server ^_^ |
| 22:59.59 | d14 | i use xchat.. long long time ago, now only irssi ;) |
| 23:00.05 | PhonicUK | summel, sounds a lot like eggdrop |
| 23:00.06 | summel | MohammadAG: how do i clear out the targets? :o |
| 23:00.12 | summel | PhonicUK: its better :) |
| 23:00.19 | MohammadAG | run the script with --help |
| 23:00.22 | summel | thx ^^ |
| 23:00.28 | summel | the 2nd one? :D |
| 23:00.30 | Corsac | too many people in that chan wrote their own irc server |
| 23:00.33 | MohammadAG | see which one clears out the targets |
| 23:00.35 | MohammadAG | hmm, not sure |
| 23:00.40 | Corsac | (but at least that means some of us got laid thanks to them) |
| 23:01.02 | PhonicUK | Corsac, how many IRC servers let you do something like this: |
| 23:01.02 | PhonicUK | http://pastebin.com/DZfxRqhZ |
| 23:01.11 | summel | 2nd one i think |
| 23:01.12 | summel | -y |
| 23:01.13 | summel | ^^ |
| 23:01.41 | MohammadAG | summel, -yYes, force remove of existing targets. |
| 23:01.43 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 23:01.46 | summel | :) |
| 23:01.51 | Corsac | I'm not sure it's the point of an irc server anyway :) |
| 23:02.00 | Corsac | while helping people to get laid sure is |
| 23:02.13 | MohammadAG | i686 is i386? |
| 23:02.18 | PhonicUK | its for giving admins the ability to integrate their server with other services ^_^ |
| 23:02.20 | summel | i guess |
| 23:02.21 | summel | :D |
| 23:02.26 | summel | its 32bit |
| 23:02.28 | summel | xD |
| 23:02.40 | summel | and i686 is compatible to i386 afaik |
| 23:03.59 | summel | (i386 runs on i686 but not the other way around) |
| 23:04.00 | PhonicUK | WinSCP ftw |
| 23:04.13 | summel | :D |
| 23:05.08 | MohammadAG | Nautilus ftw |
| 23:05.08 | PhonicUK | ooh the firefox engine supports some of the CSS3 stuff ^_^ |
| 23:05.12 | PhonicUK | drop shadows et al |
| 23:05.57 | lcukn900 | beer ftw2 |
| 23:06.19 | summel | PhonicUK: yes i already use that stuff |
| 23:06.20 | summel | <3 |
| 23:06.29 | summel | and rounded corners |
| 23:06.31 | PhonicUK | yah |
| 23:06.41 | summel | and png transparency |
| 23:06.41 | summel | <3 |
| 23:06.43 | PhonicUK | i was just testing out my webapp library, works perfectly |
| 23:07.08 | PhonicUK | its for making web apps that are visually indistinquishable (sp?) from desktop ones |
| 23:07.13 | summel | MohammadAG: it still fails at setting up sudo :( |
| 23:07.19 | MohammadAG | grrr |
| 23:07.34 | summel | Updating sudoers |
| 23:07.34 | summel | mmap: Operation not permitted |
| 23:07.34 | summel | /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo changes break sudoers |
| 23:07.34 | summel | dpkg: error processing sudo (--configure): |
| 23:07.35 | summel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.37 | summel | whoops |
| 23:08.06 | mece | :) |
| 23:09.13 | summel | could it be because i use a kubuntu RC? |
| 23:09.38 | MohammadAG | no |
| 23:09.42 | summel | but as far as i can tell the sudo stuff breaks in the scratchbox thingy which has nothing to do with the system im running? |
| 23:09.48 | MohammadAG | it could be because you're not running it as fakeroot/sudo |
| 23:10.18 | summel | yes i am running it as the maemo user like the wiki page said |
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| 23:10.25 | summel | i only did run the 1st one as sudo |
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| 23:13.32 | mece | is it possible to resize the opt and MyDocs paritions without emptying them? |
| 23:14.09 | MohammadAG | might be, if you can export the whole eMMC |
| 23:14.15 | MohammadAG | then you can just gparted it |
| 23:15.20 | SpeedEvil | mece: I tarred up mydocs onto /home - deleted the partition, made a new 4G mydocs - untarred - and created a large ext3 in the remaining space |
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| 23:15.27 | mece | the speed differance of these two partitions are just ridiculous, considering it's the same chip, so I wanted to make more use of home parition. |
| 23:15.44 | mece | SpeedEvil, sounds like a good idea. |
| 23:15.57 | SpeedEvil | mece: then I told the tracker to also index /home/user/data/sounds - and the tunes popped up |
| 23:16.06 | SpeedEvil | speed difference? |
| 23:16.07 | mece | :) |
| 23:16.23 | mece | SpeedEvil, somehow using MyDocs slows the device down, but not using opt. |
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| 23:16.42 | mece | dunno wtf is up, but it seems that way. |
| 23:16.51 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 23:16.56 | SpeedEvil | what using? |
| 23:17.21 | mece | well everything. Disc operations mostly. |
| 23:17.44 | mece | everything seems faster on home than mydocs |
| 23:17.54 | mece | it could have been coincidence though. |
| 23:18.32 | SpeedEvil | depends what you're doing. |
| 23:18.51 | SpeedEvil | some things are ridiculously slower on vfat - as vfat doesn't support sparse files. |
| 23:18.51 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it is theoretically possible to resize MyDocs to use the whole 32GBs (minus the 768 swap), and move /opt to MyDocs right? |
| 23:19.02 | MohammadAG | (USB won't work obviously) |
| 23:19.04 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I have no idea. |
| 23:19.18 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: This was done back when the camera would not save to ext2 |
| 23:19.20 | mece | SpeedEvil, didn't you do just that? |
| 23:19.32 | SpeedEvil | no - mydocs is now 4G |
| 23:19.36 | mece | ah ok., |
| 23:19.48 | mece | yeah I want some mydocs too. I was thinking 8Gb |
| 23:19.56 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, afaik they just swapped partitions (2GB for MyDocs and the rest for /opt) |
| 23:19.59 | mece | oh well.. I don't think I'll du it right now though. |
| 23:20.34 | PhonicUK | my nose hurts |
| 23:21.10 | MohammadAG | hits PhonicUK in the nose with the N900 |
| 23:21.16 | PhonicUK | ow |
| 23:21.26 | PhonicUK | thab hurd |
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| 23:22.13 | mece | hmm I think we have links to some illegal stuff on the heroes 2 thread.. |
| 23:22.27 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, it's as powerful as a brick |
| 23:22.31 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 23:22.32 | MohammadAG | but has other uses |
| 23:22.41 | PhonicUK | 600MHz Brick! |
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| 23:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | MyDocs is VFAT -> no posix permissions |
| 23:25.22 | MohammadAG | unless we ext3 it |
| 23:25.42 | MohammadAG | that would bork the camera, but I rarely use it |
| 23:25.47 | MohammadAG | and I have a MicroSD card |
| 23:26.46 | pupnik | bork bork bork |
| 23:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | you usually can't run ELFs off a VFAT fs |
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| 23:30.36 | MohammadAG | VFAT caused me problems |
| 23:30.42 | MohammadAG | I was trying to run something off of it |
| 23:30.45 | MohammadAG | and it didn't work |
| 23:30.56 | MohammadAG | after an hour or so o I remembered I can't exec from it |
| 23:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I say above, and why I think MyDocs isn't suitable for opt/ |
| 23:37.23 | b-man17 | wonders from a technical perspective why the camera depends on the MyDocs patririon being vfat... |
| 23:37.32 | b-man17 | *partition |
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| 23:37.47 | ds3 | isn't that to maintain that DCIM tree structure like other cameras? |
| 23:38.19 | b-man17 | DCIM tree structure? |
| 23:39.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, but if the whole eMMC was formatted as ext3, and opt was moved to it |
| 23:39.26 | MohammadAG | it would be useful |
| 23:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | sure, except for usb mass storage |
| 23:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | which was the whole point about that MyDocs madness |
| 23:41.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ssh ftw |
| 23:41.21 | MohammadAG | especially over a local network :) |
| 23:41.27 | ds3 | that... pictures are stored under DCIM/something/.... |
| 23:41.38 | MohammadAG | ds3, got a microSD |
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| 23:41.43 | MohammadAG | so I don't care about the cam |
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| 23:41.49 | hellyeah | what the hell |
| 23:41.54 | ds3 | hmm |
| 23:42.00 | ds3 | and is it happy about the microSD? |
| 23:42.29 | ds3 | it didn't like my ext3 formated microSD and complains loudly each time it gets |
| 23:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: IIRC the camera vfat shit was a combined permissions + uc/lc issue |
| 23:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | basically a huge bug |
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| 23:43.37 | ds3 | that is a minor bug compared to the other annoyances |
| 23:44.38 | b-man17 | DocScrutinizer: hope this bug gets fixed - a single 32GB ext3/4 partition would be nice :) |
| 23:44.48 | b-man17 | err |
| 23:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and also IIRC cam won't work even with vfat uSD, if MyDocs is 'borked' |
| 23:44.58 | ds3 | are there reasonably priced 32G microSDs? |
| 23:45.01 | MohammadAG | that's f'd up |
| 23:45.10 | b-man17 | well, you still need a partition for swap ;) |
| 23:45.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, only way to find out is... |
| 23:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | roundabout 80 bucks I think |
| 23:45.37 | MohammadAG | umounts /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 23:46.00 | b-man17 | ~bork |
| 23:46.03 | MohammadAG | oh wait |
| 23:46.11 | MohammadAG | my microSD is ext3 atm |
| 23:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | and a 3rd time IIRC this cam vfat bug was fixed with 1.1.1 |
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| 23:53.45 | PhonicUK | gah |
| 23:53.53 | PhonicUK | i hate installers that mandade restarting part way through ;\ |
| 23:54.03 | PhonicUK | stupid .Net framework 4.0 |
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