| 00:02.10 | Disconnect | for first charge/discharge, do i want to let it run all the way down till it bails? need it to be vaguely well calibrated tomorrow and i can take whatever time after that to make it right. i just need to not have it die on me.. |
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| 00:07.44 | SpeedEvil | Disconnect: there is no internal IR reciever |
| 00:07.51 | SpeedEvil | well |
| 00:08.01 | SpeedEvil | there is no internal suitable IR reciver |
| 00:08.13 | loft306 | so it sux? |
| 00:08.36 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 00:09.07 | loft306 | the ir on the n900? |
| 00:09.09 | SpeedEvil | Tehre are many areas of the phone that could have done with another $.50 in parts |
| 00:09.18 | loft306 | heh |
| 00:09.31 | lcuk | loft306, the remote control on tv has no ir recv - does that mean it sucks? |
| 00:09.34 | SpeedEvil | However - this might add up to $20 on the cost, and $40 on the price |
| 00:09.46 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I think you mean transmitter |
| 00:09.48 | loft306 | so anyone other than some of the dev phones loose there usb port? |
| 00:09.57 | lcuk | the remote control can tx ok |
| 00:09.59 | jd4200 | I'm a bit confused as to the file structure on the n900. Within xterm my camera folder is called "DCIM" but from the filemanager its called "Camera"; there are also differences with other folder; any ideas how to change this? |
| 00:10.00 | lcuk | it has no recv tho |
| 00:10.36 | lcuk | its called DCIM because thats what the camera expects |
| 00:10.41 | lcuk | but its got a human name |
| 00:10.42 | Disconnect | SpeedEvil: i mean in general, not on the n900. the link was an issue with "don't know the code".. get the code with irda-tools on something that has an ir receiver |
| 00:11.03 | javispedro | "There are many areas of the phone that could have done with another $.50 in parts"++ so true. unfortunately this is more and more common with consumer electronics everyday. |
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| 00:11.38 | loft306 | yepyep |
| 00:11.42 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:11.44 | jd4200 | lcuk: Is there any way to change this, I like it organised my way. Same with the images folder its called ".images" but "Images" in a file manager...sorry just bugs me. |
| 00:12.08 | lcuk | then look at translation files, afaik the name changes based on country |
| 00:12.21 | lcuk | i dont know how viable such a statement would be ^ |
| 00:12.27 | lcuk | but you may be able to do something |
| 00:12.31 | jd4200 | thx |
| 00:12.36 | javispedro | you'd have to look at hildon-fm package |
| 00:12.41 | javispedro | it's open source, fortunately |
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| 00:12.55 | lcuk | was thinking from a non code method |
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| 00:13.41 | javispedro | hm.. but names of "actual" folders are in the code iirc. |
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| 00:13.55 | javispedro | ofc names of the "virtual" folders are in .po/translation files |
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| 00:14.32 | javispedro | so, to change ".images" name -> edit hildon-fm source, to change "Images" -> edit translation |
| 00:15.58 | lcuk | and have it break after next update to system |
| 00:16.25 | javispedro | yes, so not easy |
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| 00:16.42 | crashanddie | yooo |
| 00:17.00 | crashanddie | wassup guv? |
| 00:17.22 | lcuk | nuffin im on way to bed - i had a late night last night and im not repeating tonight lol |
| 00:17.32 | javispedro | heh, me too. |
| 00:18.13 | javispedro | ah, battery running out -- see you. |
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| 00:51.58 | dotblank | hello |
| 00:52.16 | dotblank | Can anyone help me optify a package I made |
| 00:52.53 | dotblank | maemo-optify-deb creates lots of issues and doesn't properly optify it |
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| 01:05.02 | pupnik | dotblank: go back and take better notes? |
| 01:05.31 | crashanddie_ | pupnik: be helpful, go take your meds. |
| 01:07.24 | crashanddie_ | Microsoft looking at using ARM processors in their data centers |
| 01:08.23 | crashanddie_ | dotblank: can you qualify "creates lots of issues" |
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| 01:12.54 | dotblank | crashanddie_, It only optifies one file |
| 01:13.12 | crashanddie_ | what is the size of the other files? |
| 01:13.37 | dotblank | not large |
| 01:13.58 | dotblank | entire package is 715KB |
| 01:14.26 | crashanddie_ | then it probably doesn't require optification? |
| 01:14.56 | crashanddie_ | I'm not familiar with maemo-optify-deb, but I seem to recall arguments that only files of over 500kB ought to be optified |
| 01:15.15 | dotblank | http://pastebin.com/vEhDteyx |
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| 01:15.33 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, yo. |
| 01:15.52 | crashanddie_ | yo GAN900, wassup? |
| 01:16.27 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, depressed that I'm super jetlagged from a 3-hour time change. |
| 01:16.37 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: that's normal |
| 01:16.51 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: travelling east is always bad, as soon as it's 2 hours or more |
| 01:17.18 | dotblank | I new to packaging and im trying to make sense of optifying. I know why it is needed. I suffer from the no rootfs space problem. I would just like to use this as kinda a learning exercise |
| 01:17.31 | GAN900 | Plus the Yankees fan behind me who kept moving phlegm around his respiratory system didn't help me sleep |
| 01:17.39 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: most people can travel halfway across the world (literaly) west and keep working as normal, but travel 6 hours east and you're lost. |
| 01:17.58 | GAN900 | Thank god for those crappy Bose noise cancelling headphones |
| 01:18.03 | crashanddie_ | haha |
| 01:18.53 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: heard about Microsoft looking into ARM servers? |
| 01:19.38 | crashanddie_ | dotblank: how big is /opt/maemo/usr/share? |
| 01:19.42 | crashanddie_ | dotblank: du -sh /opt/maemo/usr/share |
| 01:20.05 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, orly? |
| 01:20.33 | dotblank | 60K/opt/maemo/usr/share |
| 01:21.21 | crashanddie_ | dotblank: weird |
| 01:21.25 | dotblank | yea I know |
| 01:21.40 | dotblank | let my try changing the path in the makefile and rebuildit |
| 01:22.14 | dotblank | I looked at the source to maemo optify and it seems to exclude optifying certain directories |
| 01:22.28 | dotblank | and it is inclusive as well |
| 01:23.57 | dotblank | the problem is that when I optify it the default config directories get changed and are different from the build time location |
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| 01:52.21 | izzox | hello all |
| 01:53.53 | izzox | i just wonder if the n900's stylus fit in the slot of the n810's |
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| 01:59.06 | izzox | anyone tu help me? |
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| 02:30.01 | luke-jr | did izzox seriously just PM everyone in the channel? |
| 02:30.57 | tank-man | youre the special one. |
| 02:31.26 | crashanddie | luke-jr: what did he say? |
| 02:32.03 | izzox | just wondering wether the n900's stylus fit the n810's slot |
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| 02:32.37 | dmj726 | I don't know, though you could try one of fake's stylii? |
| 02:32.49 | crashanddie | stylii doesn't exist |
| 02:33.00 | crashanddie | stylus |
| 02:33.24 | crashanddie | plural styluses |
| 02:33.39 | dmj726 | stylii is a valid plural form I think. |
| 02:33.48 | crashanddie | no, it isn't |
| 02:34.48 | crashanddie | in latin, the plural would be styli |
| 02:35.16 | crashanddie | plural nominative, second declension |
| 02:35.45 | crashanddie | but considering that you're speaking english, and that the plural of stylus, in english, is styluses, just use the damned word and stop pretending you're smarter than are, which obviously, you're not. |
| 02:35.58 | dmj726 | looked it up...styluses is technically preferred, but stylii is often accepted these days. |
| 02:36.23 | crashanddie | dude, stylii doesn't exist, whether it's in english or latin |
| 02:36.45 | dmj726 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylus |
| 02:36.59 | crashanddie | god you're thick |
| 02:37.07 | crashanddie | even wikipedia shows it's with A SINGLE i |
| 02:37.13 | dmj726 | No need to be a grammar nazi. |
| 02:37.14 | crashanddie | which makes a world of difference |
| 02:37.19 | crashanddie | styli != stylii |
| 02:37.38 | dmj726 | 'The form "styli" or even "stylii" has become acceptable, even among major American manufacturers of styluses and online dictionaries' |
| 02:37.38 | crashanddie | just don't use words you think make you appear smarter, and I won't have to |
| 02:37.57 | dmj726 | Who said I thought it made me appear smarter. |
| 02:38.50 | dmj726 | I used the form that I thought was correct, and looked it up and found that it's considered acceptable, but the form you suggested is better. |
| 02:38.58 | crashanddie | dmj726: that whole paragraph finished with [citation needed], and the last sentence reads: "Use of "stylii" is considered incorrect, as it is based on the nonexistent Latin word "stylius"." |
| 02:39.27 | dmj726 | Then why does the sentence above it say that it is "acceptable"? |
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| 02:39.37 | crashanddie | because it's wikipedia? |
| 02:39.44 | crashanddie | and everyone adds whatever they need to win an argument? |
| 02:40.32 | dmj726 | At any rate, there's not much need to harp on it. |
| 02:40.52 | crashanddie | http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dstilus |
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| 02:40.58 | crashanddie | now there's a real resource ;) |
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| 02:48.08 | Disconnect | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stylus |
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| 04:41.55 | crazyhorss | what is the package that includes whereis |
| 04:42.13 | crazyhorss | whois |
| 04:42.17 | crazyhorss | * |
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| 04:42.36 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 04:42.48 | crazyhorss | and tracert |
| 04:44.49 | crazyhorss | traceroute* |
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| 04:50.32 | swc|666 | [21:41] <crazyhorss> what is the package that includes whereis ... uh, its called whois |
| 04:50.42 | swc|666 | the package name is called whois* |
| 04:51.16 | swc|666 | apt-get install whobe |
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| 04:57.20 | crazyhorss | whobe? |
| 04:57.40 | crazyhorss | closed irssi by accident. |
| 04:58.43 | crazyhorss | can you repeat that info plesse? |
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| 04:59.10 | mece | (07:50:30 AM) swc|666: [21:41] <crazyhorss> what is the package that includes whereis ... uh, its called whois (07:50:41 AM) swc|666: the package name is called whois* (07:51:21 AM) swc|666: apt-get install whobe |
| 04:59.21 | mece | 's all I got. |
| 04:59.59 | crazyhorss | ok, thank you. i'll have a look |
| 05:00.04 | swc|666 | whobe was a joke, sorry |
| 05:00.14 | mece | LOL |
| 05:00.20 | mece | :D |
| 05:00.29 | crazyhorss | ah, i thouht as much |
| 05:00.44 | mece | crazyhorss, what were you really looking for? |
| 05:01.07 | crazyhorss | whois and traceroute |
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| 05:06.14 | RST38h | and apt-get install traceroute did not work? |
| 05:06.53 | RST38h | "School Lunches Deemed A National Security Threat by Retired Military Officers" |
| 05:06.54 | crazyhorss | couldn't find package |
| 05:07.48 | RST38h | "The retired officers are saying that school lunches have helped make the nation's young people so fat that fewer of them can meet the military's physical fitness standards, and recruitment is in jeopardy." |
| 05:08.52 | RST38h | crazy: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49259 |
| 05:09.06 | RST38h | crazy: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/traceroute |
| 05:09.22 | RST38h | crazy: (and yes, I simply typed "traceroute maemo5" into google) |
| 05:10.02 | crazyhorss | thanks, me too i didn't find this link |
| 05:11.06 | mece | fuckn telewell piece of shit! AAarrgh |
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| 05:22.36 | crazyhorss | you just solved 8 problems for me with that RST38h |
| 05:22.47 | crazyhorss | with that link* |
| 05:23.02 | crazyhorss | thank you very much |
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| 06:58.55 | noobmonk3y | screams BACON SANDWICH |
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| 07:00.40 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:00.46 | frals | bastard, now i need breakfast |
| 07:00.53 | noobmonk3y | Morning :D : D:D |
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| 07:01.03 | frals | lo mate |
| 07:01.05 | frals | hows you? |
| 07:02.31 | noobmonk3y | meh... still in bed, not wanting to wake up or goto work :( |
| 07:02.53 | d14 | :) |
| 07:03.31 | d14 | in work :S from 8:10am |
| 07:04.19 | noobmonk3y | hehe |
| 07:04.22 | Stskeeps | noobmonk3y: i have the best combination. able to work from bed ;) |
| 07:04.30 | noobmonk3y | i could be, as work is literally 200metres away :P |
| 07:04.38 | noobmonk3y | Stskeeps, so so sooo unfair.... |
| 07:04.44 | squidd | Stskeeps: thats heating |
| 07:04.50 | squidd | +c |
| 07:05.08 | noobmonk3y | Stskeeps, it does help that you sleep on servers i suppose ;) |
| 07:05.34 | noobmonk3y | wonders if X-Fade opened up room in his server bed? hehehe |
| 07:05.53 | Stskeeps | noobmonk3y: no servers, actually zero electronics except for a lamp and mobile charger in my bedroom :P |
| 07:05.59 | Stskeeps | wife wouldn't have it ;) |
| 07:06.07 | noobmonk3y | woah :| :| :| freaky!! |
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| 07:09.22 | crashanddie | Meh, finally found something I can easily do :) |
| 07:09.26 | crashanddie | Write an SMS exporter :) |
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| 07:10.46 | crashanddie | d14: been at work for 9 hours now :( |
| 07:10.53 | crashanddie | wanna go back to the hotel |
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| 07:16.43 | crashanddie | fuck me |
| 07:17.35 | Stskeeps | no thanks |
| 07:17.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:17.56 | crashanddie | flights from Australia to Europe: $17000 |
| 07:17.59 | crashanddie | (in economy) |
| 07:18.07 | Stskeeps | think everything's a bit insane atm |
| 07:18.09 | frals | O_o |
| 07:18.48 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 07:18.54 | noobmonk3y | frals, made me breakfast yet? :P |
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| 07:19.34 | d14 | crashanddie: get some fastfood ;) and go to bed! :) |
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| 07:20.23 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:20.29 | Stskeeps | ls |
| 07:20.37 | Stskeeps | ERROR: fail user |
| 07:20.38 | noobmonk3y | eats the trout, regurgitates the trout, re-moulds the trout into a trouty-chicken and then slaps Frals around the face with a Trouty-Chicken......... Tadaaaaaaa |
| 07:20.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:21.26 | crashanddie | d14: it's 5:30PM, hardly time for bed xD |
| 07:21.40 | crashanddie | djeez |
| 07:21.41 | noobmonk3y | siesta? :P |
| 07:21.54 | crashanddie | and say that I was pissed because I paid 1000 pounds to fly back |
| 07:22.05 | crashanddie | let's just hope my flight won't be canceled |
| 07:22.20 | noobmonk3y | the missus's mum is trapped in New zealand :P |
| 07:23.30 | frals | well isnt all of uks airspace open now? |
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| 07:28.02 | noobmonk3y | frals, think so, but stil delays getting everyone back to their homes i assume |
| 07:28.11 | noobmonk3y | shit......... gtg to work :( |
| 07:28.14 | noobmonk3y | see ya'll laters |
| 07:28.17 | frals | ciao |
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| 07:31.38 | Stskeeps | ah, the 'smoku' guy is in warsaw ('say no! to a qt-based maemo') guy |
| 07:31.50 | Stskeeps | i wonder if i should arrange a meetup and see if vodka can get him on better thoughts |
| 07:32.35 | tekojo | Stskeeps, but the world needs opinions |
| 07:32.40 | furunk3l | yes hello |
| 07:32.55 | Stskeeps | tekojo: true |
| 07:33.32 | tekojo | Oh, morning all :) |
| 07:33.37 | frals | "In the beginning I was not able to use it because I am not a tech user. With your latest releases this has changed. I was finally able to send and receive MMS problem-free on my N900 without lots of difficult settings." |
| 07:33.41 | frals | VICTORY! |
| 07:34.28 | tekojo | frals, I'll let my wife try it now :) |
| 07:34.32 | crashanddie | frals: sounds exactly like one of those make-me-slim ads |
| 07:34.43 | frals | crashanddie: :D |
| 07:34.46 | joga | ooh...MMS...I think in my lifetime I've sent two or three. are those actually popular somewhere? |
| 07:35.12 | frals | the 130k downloads of fMMS leads me to believe there are a few users out there ;) |
| 07:35.22 | crashanddie | frals: "In the beginning I was not able to lose weight because I am not into sports. With your latest product this has changed. I was finally able to lose weight and maintain my current weight without lots of difficult exercises." |
| 07:35.37 | frals | tekojo: let me know how it goes :) |
| 07:35.45 | crashanddie | Thank you fMMS! |
| 07:35.49 | frals | rofl crashanddie |
| 07:35.51 | korhojoa | frals: well, I use it |
| 07:35.52 | viliny | You guys are making the world a better place - hope it feels good :) |
| 07:36.09 | crashanddie | anyway, going back to the hotel, talk in a bit |
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| 07:38.41 | frals | korhojoa: :) |
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| 07:40.56 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:52.49 | Guinterface | hello |
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| 07:53.26 | Guinterface | hello kmfdm |
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| 07:58.27 | Shapeshifter | btw, is it possible to use maep with a predownloaded version of the openstreetmaps to save traffic and speed up loading? |
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| 08:22.21 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: ping |
| 08:22.35 | timeless_mbp | i've been asked to give a list of improvements in the browser between 1.1 and 1.2 :) |
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| 08:27.33 | hrw | timeless_mbp: 1.2 does not exists |
| 08:29.59 | Surfa | of course it does |
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| 08:30.10 | Surfa | but only for testing purposes |
| 08:30.26 | Surfa | ..for now.. |
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| 08:33.10 | timeless_mbp | hrw: 1.2 images exist |
| 08:33.20 | timeless_mbp | what will actually ship to customers may or may not exist |
| 08:33.36 | timeless_mbp | depending on whether management decides that what exists today is acceptable |
| 08:33.48 | hrw | timeless_mbp: as a user I can say that I do not believe in pr1.2 existance |
| 08:34.05 | timeless_mbp | but for the purposes of the request i received, 1.2 exists sufficiently for me or sp3000 to be able to satisfy it |
| 08:34.13 | timeless_mbp | hrw: you're welcome to do so |
| 08:34.15 | hrw | timeless_mbp: but 12 November may change it |
| 08:34.47 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 08:35.01 | hrw | timeless_mbp: thats my guess for PR1.2 release |
| 08:35.18 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 08:35.55 | hrw | and to follow nokia release dates rules I do not tell a year |
| 08:36.12 | timeless_mbp | s/tell/indicate/ |
| 08:36.23 | hrw | ok |
| 08:37.45 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, who requested changelog, can changelog be shown before release? :-) |
| 08:37.56 | hrw | timeless_mbp: and to tell the true I doubt is it worth waiting for it. whenever it will be released it will be 2-4 months old already |
| 08:38.04 | hrw | ShadowJK: changelog is in wiki |
| 08:38.06 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: a documentation team |
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| 08:38.22 | timeless_mbp | and since all they want is feature highlights, yes, we can give it to them in advance |
| 08:38.42 | sECuRE | hrw: do you have a link? |
| 08:39.14 | ShadowJK | hrw, considering my N900 is perfectly usable as it is, with even older software, I doubt the age makes much difference :) |
| 08:39.21 | hrw | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 |
| 08:39.36 | sECuRE | thanks |
| 08:39.55 | hrw | ShadowJK: in 2021 maemo^wmeego calendar will gain all features of palmos 2.0 datebook |
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| 08:40.36 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 08:40.41 | TigerTael | I just wish sync with google based contacts/calendar worked better. ;/ |
| 08:40.56 | ShadowJK | wonders if the current Calendar fulfills the spec for it ;D |
| 08:40.57 | timeless_mbp | hrw: actually the wiki does have things which are relevant. e.g. webcal: |
| 08:41.01 | timeless_mbp | maybe i should work from that list |
| 08:41.39 | hrw | ShadowJK: my opinion about maemo5 calendar is not something to publish - too much curses, too small amount of other words |
| 08:42.19 | timeless_mbp | ⦠i think the serif font stuff is probably notable |
| 08:42.28 | ShadowJK | Luckily the only defect I've discovered, autolaunch at 4am, seems to be fixed :) |
| 08:42.36 | hrw | but it is better then my opinion on developers which wrote it anyway |
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| 09:06.53 | MohammadAG | mornin' |
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| 09:07.53 | Viliny_n900 | anyone here used the google latitude program? |
| 09:08.21 | Viliny_n900 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:20.31 | MohammadAG | |o noobmonk3y |
| 09:20.37 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 09:20.57 | MohammadAG | lowers noobmonk3y_Work's salary |
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| 09:24.58 | hrw | btw - which version of palmos emulator works with n900? |
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| 09:29.01 | lcuk | raises noobmonk3y_Work's salary - you now get £0.03 a month |
| 09:29.35 | RST38h | Does "J" stand for acorns? |
| 09:30.57 | lcuk | £ you mean? |
| 09:31.09 | lcuk | peanuts are the normal currency |
| 09:31.55 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y_Work around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:33.04 | lcuk | frals, careful he might like that |
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| 09:33.27 | frals | aye is why im doing it ;) |
| 09:33.36 | lcuk | heh |
| 09:34.11 | Arkenoi | could it be that the problem with builtin media player is that it does *not* cache input stream and thus *any* io delays cause it to jerk imeediately? If yes it should be quite easy to fix.. |
| 09:34.46 | auenf | heh, if you see "J", you obviously are using the wrong font, or are missing unicode |
| 09:34.57 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.59 | lcuk | £ is not unicode |
| 09:35.04 | MohammadAG | waves hand |
| 09:35.08 | auenf | it shouldnt be |
| 09:35.13 | auenf | but i cant type it ;) |
| 09:35.17 | FauxFaux | £ is not below 127. |
| 09:35.33 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 09:35.38 | MohammadAG | doesn't voltage go down? |
| 09:35.44 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.00 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: voltage fluctuates |
| 09:36.08 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 09:36.12 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: depending on how much current is being pulled, etc |
| 09:36.25 | MohammadAG | when does it shut down? |
| 09:36.38 | auenf | http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/6614.htm |
| 09:36.55 | auenf | aparently the russians are to blame... |
| 09:37.17 | FauxFaux | Irssi pisses with it too, these days. |
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| 09:37.36 | thresh | wut wut wut |
| 09:37.36 | crashanddie | FauxFaux: no problems here |
| 09:37.42 | thresh | russians are never to blame, it's our govt |
| 09:37.53 | crashanddie | thresh: your government is russian? |
| 09:38.03 | crashanddie | that would make you a russian, thus you are to blame |
| 09:38.08 | FauxFaux | crashanddie: I bet you have "/set recode" on. |
| 09:38.22 | auenf | surely the euro symbol would have a similar issue with cyrillic fonts also ;) |
| 09:38.41 | crashanddie | FauxFaux: I do indeed |
| 09:38.45 | jacekowski | the problem is that there are 2 £ symbols |
| 09:38.49 | jacekowski | depending on encoding |
| 09:38.54 | jacekowski | or even 3 |
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| 09:39.15 | FauxFaux | In FauxFauxencoding17, £ occupies code point 3. |
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| 09:41.50 | dazo | just if you haven't seen it ... http://blog.mjg.im/2010/04/16/theora-on-n900.html ... pretty impressive results with Theora on N900 |
| 09:41.56 | auenf | seems there is a unicode GBP symbol also |
| 09:42.30 | auenf | £ |
| 09:42.53 | crashanddie | dazo: fake results |
| 09:43.06 | crashanddie | dazo: they locked the CPU at 600Mhz; the whole thing is borked. |
| 09:43.21 | crashanddie | dazo: so his "80% idle" claim can go away right awat |
| 09:43.22 | crashanddie | away |
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| 09:44.48 | dazo | crashanddie: true ... but my point is that compared to the oter decoders/methods ... it really shows a good improvement ... "80% idle" is really debatable, but getting proper offloading to DSP and GPU can give good results |
| 09:45.06 | SpeedEvil | dazo: maybe |
| 09:45.13 | crashanddie | dazo: and anyone who understands what a DSP is knows that |
| 09:45.35 | SpeedEvil | dazo: sometimes offloading a task to the dsp is not worth it if you have to keep the dsp awake, and the cpu has to be up anyway |
| 09:45.36 | auenf | why 80% idle, and the fps is lower? |
| 09:45.52 | SpeedEvil | video is probably not in that class generally |
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| 09:47.44 | crashanddie | auenf: because the DSP is doing all the hard work |
| 09:47.55 | crashanddie | auenf: however the DSP has a limited bandwidth |
| 09:48.15 | auenf | so surely its not viable using that method if you're going to lose fps? |
| 09:48.38 | SpeedEvil | auenf: umm - video is fixed fps |
| 09:48.43 | auenf | altho its still above the 24 or 25fps needed for most videos |
| 09:48.44 | X-Fade | It is actually pretty funny the audio part is the most expensive part. |
| 09:48.53 | SpeedEvil | auenf: you don't usually want to play it back at 150fps just because you can |
| 09:48.55 | auenf | just those ntsc ones are going to be dropping frames |
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| 09:50.15 | SpeedEvil | ntsc is usually presented as deinterlaced 30hz |
| 09:50.29 | Arkenoi | definitely needs a solution to make media playback reliable regardless of what is going on in background |
| 09:50.47 | auenf | well, 29.97fps interlaced |
| 09:51.02 | auenf | if its progressive (film) source, it will be 24fps easy |
| 09:51.55 | SpeedEvil | playing back interlaced on a lcd is pointless |
| 09:52.26 | auenf | thats what on the fly deinterlace is for |
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| 09:55.05 | noobmonk3y_Work | farts........... hmmmmmmmm smells of trout! |
| 09:55.12 | frals | :D |
| 09:55.13 | noobmonk3y_Work | blames frals |
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| 09:55.59 | MohammadAG_ | ~curse battery life |
| 09:56.00 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, battery life ! |
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| 09:58.15 | viliny | administers windows xp |
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| 10:03.36 | hrw | viliny: any idea then why laptop after fresh xp home instalation takes ages between selecting 'shutdown' in start menu to appear of shutdown options? |
| 10:03.39 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y_Work with oslab_lowlevel_asm.s |
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| 10:05.28 | viliny | hrw: bad GFX drivers causing stalling on the dim effect? |
| 10:05.33 | viliny | i hate old laptops more than anything |
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| 10:06.24 | SpeedEvil | viliny: Send me all your old laptops! |
| 10:06.29 | SpeedEvil | What do you consider old? |
| 10:07.08 | viliny | bad battery, worn surface, slower than a [Analogy missing] and smells funky. |
| 10:07.33 | viliny | And clit mouse/touchpad worn beyond rape |
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| 10:08.40 | viliny | Reason is, people tend to bring me their 6 year old laptops that are in horrible shape and expect me to do some magic on them so they can suddenly have a working fast machine again. Most of the stuff is beyond help but i'we installed ubuntu on a few as a faster alternative... |
| 10:08.45 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:08.46 | viliny | i just don't plain like them |
| 10:09.37 | hrw | viliny: will check newer catalyst then |
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| 10:10.12 | viliny | hrw: i hope you find a solution |
| 10:10.32 | hrw | SpeedEvil: my wife's toshiba l30 has not existing rlt8139 ethernet (forget that linux will work with it), aging atheros wifi (forget cifs/nfs mounts, only sshfs works) |
| 10:11.21 | noobmonk3y_Work | shudders |
| 10:11.47 | viliny | old laptops fill me with despair |
| 10:12.21 | viliny | especially in these modern times when you can get a device that works 5 times as fast for 400 euros |
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| 10:12.49 | viliny | with the added benefit of it not being a greasy lump of slow plastic but a brand spanking new thing you can show off and not be embarassed to carry around |
| 10:13.06 | SpeedEvil | loves his x60s |
| 10:13.20 | viliny | i holster a Asus G50VT |
| 10:13.28 | SpeedEvil | has a n900 if I want to wave my thing around in public |
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| 10:14.12 | hrw | I have dell d400 with 6% battery |
| 10:14.13 | viliny | SpeedEvil: why the eff does a core duo sport 512 of ram? |
| 10:14.29 | SpeedEvil | viliny: ? |
| 10:14.38 | viliny | x60 specs here |
| 10:14.44 | SpeedEvil | dunno. Got 2 in mine |
| 10:14.54 | SpeedEvil | which it came with |
| 10:15.03 | SpeedEvil | (according to the IBM site - I haven't had it from new) |
| 10:15.05 | viliny | says the screen supports 1024x768 |
| 10:15.12 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:15.21 | SpeedEvil | I would like a higher res screen |
| 10:15.30 | SpeedEvil | but on balance |
| 10:16.00 | hrw | 1366x768 is what I plan |
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| 10:16.43 | viliny | i hate ibm laptops because i can't estimate their age with a quick glance :/ |
| 10:17.10 | hrw | viliny: simple - if it has IBM on it then it is old |
| 10:17.13 | SpeedEvil | I actually would much rather have ~1500*1100 - but that model was rare |
| 10:17.26 | SpeedEvil | (and yes - I want 4:3 |
| 10:17.28 | viliny | hrw: you mean the lenovo thing or? |
| 10:17.33 | hrw | yep |
| 10:17.36 | SpeedEvil | (actually 4:4 - but that's a seperate issue) |
| 10:17.59 | viliny | hrw: well the lenovo thinkpads still seem to look like the +10 year old ibm laptops |
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| 10:19.10 | SpeedEvil | Some have been cheapened. |
| 10:19.38 | viliny | i like my G50VT - sturdy as hell and still looks modern :) |
| 10:19.41 | ShadowJK | 512M of ram and vista, it's the norm ;D |
| 10:20.05 | SpeedEvil | http://blog.dk.sg/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/DSC08723.jpg |
| 10:20.55 | viliny | fugly but seems portable |
| 10:21.05 | viliny | whats the battery life on that? |
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| 10:21.42 | SpeedEvil | honestly - I'm rather shocked that my _really_ old laptop - toshiba portege 3110CT - stacks up quite well in many ways |
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| 10:22.09 | viliny | oh? |
| 10:22.22 | SpeedEvil | ~10h battery life (with fresh recelled battery), nice keyboard, metal case, 1.05kg |
| 10:22.37 | wazd | SpeedEvil: what is it? :) |
| 10:22.39 | SpeedEvil | of course - it diddn't come with wifi, and ... |
| 10:22.40 | viliny | thats not bad at all |
| 10:22.47 | viliny | heh... thats not that good |
| 10:23.08 | SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pc178.com/images/notebook/toshiba/3110ct/toshiba3110ct001.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pc178.com/notebook/toshiba/toshiba3110ct.htm&h=333&w=500&sz=21&tbnid=sa0XzSVjdtP00M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtoshiba%2Bportege%2B3110ct&usg=__tOta5cXP3_hTj9MNxDWgelsuveQ=&ei=-dHOS7SdLJLw0gSovLzpDw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=8&ct=image&ved=0CCcQ9QEwBw |
| 10:23.23 | SpeedEvil | no - for a 10 year old device though |
| 10:23.36 | viliny | ah speaking of the portege |
| 10:23.43 | wazd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.51 | pupnik | nice laptop |
| 10:23.55 | viliny | hehe, p2 :) |
| 10:24.00 | SpeedEvil | stabs Vanjoki. |
| 10:24.09 | SpeedEvil | It's not about the fucking megapixels. |
| 10:24.14 | wazd | I think right after these words Anssi should fire himself |
| 10:24.29 | wazd | and hit with a bat ofcourse |
| 10:24.31 | SpeedEvil | The '5MP' camera in the n900 is 2MP at best |
| 10:24.36 | SpeedEvil | and is shit in low light. |
| 10:24.41 | viliny | i would like to see a phone zoom in on a bird 300 meters away and get a sharp close photo :) just saying |
| 10:24.49 | SpeedEvil | I'd disagree |
| 10:24.52 | SpeedEvil | that is a niche use |
| 10:25.09 | pupnik | hmm not really |
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| 10:25.20 | SpeedEvil | there are plenty of everyday uses where a not-completely-shit point and shoot camera vastly outclasses the n900 |
| 10:25.27 | viliny | i was surprised with the quality of the n900 camera, any chance software could still redeem this mush generator? |
| 10:25.36 | Wolfie | SpeedEvil: like, zooming? |
| 10:26.17 | pupnik | i was surprised how good the camera was |
| 10:26.27 | Wolfie | seriously though, the n900 camera is pretty nice in decent light |
| 10:26.40 | Wolfie | snow caused a bit of purple fringing, but nothing I wouldn't forgive a phone |
| 10:26.41 | lcuk | camera is sweet indeed |
| 10:26.46 | lcuk | its surprisede a lot of people |
| 10:26.53 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: yes - even a 3* optical zoom |
| 10:26.55 | viliny | no it's not sweet, it's very bad right now - will software fix that? |
| 10:27.01 | SpeedEvil | And calling it a 5MP is a flat lie |
| 10:27.18 | Wolfie | it actually works under normal room lighting conditions, which can't be said of all cameras |
| 10:28.05 | lcuk | 35 pages of people posting their favorite pictures |
| 10:28.07 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38660 |
| 10:28.10 | achipa | SpeedEvil: the original in Finnish was probably 'were releasing the N8-00 camera flagship soon' and then passed the thing through google translate |
| 10:28.10 | lcuk | read the comments :) |
| 10:28.10 | viliny | yeah i had a trust discount camera 10 years ago that struggled in indoor lightning but i hardly use that as a standard for modern cameras :/ |
| 10:28.15 | lcuk | viliny, ^ |
| 10:28.26 | viliny | lcuk: which comments? |
| 10:28.31 | viliny | ah sorry, yes will do |
| 10:28.49 | wazd | lcuk: http://thecrayonbox.org/files/pictures/20091219_005.jpg |
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| 10:28.52 | pupnik | it is nice everyone has an opinion. one fact is: the camera on n900 is better than the camera on n810. :) |
| 10:28.52 | Wolfie | viliny: my wife's not-all-too-old ixus can't take a sharp picture inside without flash |
| 10:29.00 | wazd | lcuk: this can be good only for web thumbnail |
| 10:29.02 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: yes - it's good for a phone cam |
| 10:29.34 | pupnik | viliny modern cameras the size of a QUARTER |
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| 10:31.17 | viliny | lcuk: those are some seriously nice pictures - doesn't reflect my experiences so far though... will have to try it some more :) still getting through all the other stuff you can do on the n900 :] |
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| 10:31.44 | wazd | almost nobody shows their pictures fullsized |
| 10:31.51 | lcuk | viliny, do you have any examples of how its gone wrong |
| 10:31.53 | wazd | cause they look noisy and stuff |
| 10:32.21 | N900evil | The optical res is 2mp or so |
| 10:32.25 | lcuk | wazd almost nobody shows pictures fullsized anywhere |
| 10:32.29 | viliny | lcuk: yes, i have a bunch of bad quality photos - have you not experienced this at all? |
| 10:32.29 | N900evil | more is a lie |
| 10:32.36 | wazd | lcuk: you're very wrong |
| 10:32.53 | lcuk | viliny, on the day i got a usable outside capable n900 i took some shots inside a dark club |
| 10:33.22 | lcuk | and i was genuinely surprised - sure its not photophile quality but ive never had a phone camera that worked as well ever |
| 10:33.33 | wazd | I mean, my D70 is 6MPix and n900 is 5, - don't think you'd like to complare the quality even with shitty kit lenses |
| 10:33.47 | viliny | lcuk: i had a n95 before and that thing did better pictures imho |
| 10:33.50 | lcuk | your d70 is a dedicated camera |
| 10:33.57 | lcuk | does it make calls as well as the n900? |
| 10:34.00 | nid0 | I get perfectly good outdoor photos with my device, it's only in indoor situations they get noticeably grainy |
| 10:34.35 | wazd | lcuk: no, but it takes photos, not thumbnails :) |
| 10:34.56 | wazd | lcuk: that can be printed on a larger-than-a-post-card format :) |
| 10:35.27 | N900evil | comparing to a large cam is bullshit. |
| 10:35.46 | N900evil | but so is saying 'nobody needs a large cam' is also |
| 10:35.50 | wazd | and if you're seeing that beauty http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8412&d=1269575937 without having proper cam - you're a loser :) |
| 10:37.07 | wazd | http://img13.imageshack.us/i/officeview1.jpg/ - this is actually nice, but still too noisy for daylight conditions |
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| 10:37.43 | lcuk | wazd is that space pic taken with n900? |
| 10:37.48 | lcuk | if so, how was gps locking? |
| 10:37.54 | wazd | lcuk: I guess so |
| 10:38.29 | wazd | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=582609&postcount=311 |
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| 10:39.29 | asj | that's a great shot of surfers |
| 10:41.13 | N900evil | anyone else has camera not takw pics as it wanted gps lock? |
| 10:41.30 | asj | no |
| 10:41.39 | TigerTael | NOpe |
| 10:42.45 | N900evil | oddly I was gps logging with recordr widget at the time |
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| 10:46.23 | lcuk | wazd i guess the experience of the camera is down to perspective and expectations |
| 10:49.54 | TigerTael | I am fairly happy with the picture quality in normal lighting... |
| 10:50.18 | TigerTael | And the video recording seemed pretty smooth at a decent resolution, although I would've expected the ability to re-focus... |
| 10:51.17 | MiXu- | Talking about Vanjoki saying DSLRs will be unnecessary? :) |
| 10:51.31 | MiXu- | And the 50Mpix thing? :) |
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| 10:52.01 | asj | dslr's aren't about pixel density but rather sensor size |
| 10:52.56 | lcuk | asj, yeah its also the reason why hubble manages to pull off amazing photos yet is only 1mpix |
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| 10:53.53 | MiXu- | I came to think about why it would make a difference if you had a 50Mpix sensor in a mobile phone, and came to the conclusion that you'd have to have some serious image processing. If you take that 50MPix of raw data and create an 8MPix image out of it, you might actually be able to take a huge leap in the picture quality. |
| 10:54.18 | asj | lcuk: well, light gathering kinda helps there :) |
| 10:54.21 | lcuk | yes but then noise in the individual pels would be the problem |
| 10:54.37 | Surfa | who knows, maybe at some point in the future we get rid of huge objectives |
| 10:54.42 | MiXu- | But if you get 50MPix JPEGs out of the camera then it's totally pointless. |
| 10:54.45 | Surfa | i don't think anyone loves the size of them :) |
| 10:54.53 | MiXu- | Surfa: Let's hope so. |
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| 10:55.06 | Surfa | that's pretty much we can do at this point :) |
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| 10:58.55 | TigerTael | *Sigh* just got a picture which is totally green, haha... |
| 10:59.26 | MiXu- | I do see not needing consumer compact cameras in the future. But DSLRs... I'm sceptical :) |
| 10:59.28 | viliny | camera power! |
| 10:59.33 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/ |
| 10:59.50 | TigerTael | MiXu-, I agree... |
| 11:00.05 | TigerTael | I don't see myself attaching a telephoto lense to my N1200 |
| 11:00.32 | noobmonk3y_Work | meh - 3 repo's giving me odd errors today :| |
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| 11:01.17 | jacekowski | just port sunbird to it |
| 11:01.32 | MiXu- | Let's hope this is one of those moments that Vanjoki can remember in 5-10 years and say "They all thought I was crazy, but we showed them" =) |
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| 11:05.14 | pupnik | MiXu-: you described supersampling and filtering |
| 11:05.52 | pupnik | it can reduce some forms of noise |
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| 11:10.37 | frals | noobmonk3y_Work: its because you are odd, its communicating on your terms! |
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| 11:16.13 | smhar | anybody double boot maemo and meego on N900? |
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| 11:17.51 | noobmonk3y_Work | frals - very true! |
| 11:22.15 | X-Fade | smhar: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM#Installing_MeeGo_on_N900 |
| 11:23.00 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: there are serious technical problems. |
| 11:24.03 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: For example. A theoretically noiseless sensor of the dimensions of the n900 sensor would still only have a resolution of ~2mp - due to the size of the lens. |
| 11:24.40 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: you can't easily increase the size of the lens without making the camera thicker, and hence the phone, or making it more awkward to mount |
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| 11:27.03 | SpeedEvil | To get a 'real' 8mp image say - you need at least 8mm lens diameter. This means that you need the optical centre of the lens to be 8mm away from your image sensor to get a 60 degree field of view. This probably means a total optical package of ~11mm or so thickness. then you need a protective glass on top of that, and a PCB and case under it. |
| 11:27.15 | SpeedEvil | (though you may be able to remove the PCB through trickery) |
| 11:27.30 | MiXu- | I see :) |
| 11:27.43 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting optical interferometry, which I'd be surprised to see come into play in my lifetime) |
| 11:27.56 | MiXu- | I was just saying that they _must_ have some solution in mind to make such bold claims. :) |
| 11:28.46 | SpeedEvil | sure. |
| 11:28.52 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't want to be the guy who is on the receiving end of the guy saying 'yes, i just made a claim in public - now make it happen' |
| 11:29.05 | SpeedEvil | You can get not-too-shabby improvements in dark performance by various means |
| 11:29.35 | MiXu- | I wouldn't either :D |
| 11:29.50 | SpeedEvil | and you can probably double the lens size on the n900 camera without impacting the design by doing stuff that would not affect the n900 size. |
| 11:30.17 | SpeedEvil | (put a hole in the PCB, place the cam flush with the other edge, rework the shutter to be a bit thinner) |
| 11:30.38 | MiXu- | N900 is 18mm thick. If it was designed a bit differently, I bet you could fit the camera you described in there. |
| 11:30.54 | MohammadAG | drills a hole in the back cover and assembles a 50mW laser |
| 11:30.57 | SpeedEvil | You can also cheat |
| 11:31.03 | SpeedEvil | Folded optical paths |
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| 11:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: bah, 50mW are lame XP |
| 11:31.27 | SpeedEvil | Imagine say - the camera lens was where the speaker grill was. |
| 11:31.34 | SpeedEvil | it can now be (comparatively) huge |
| 11:31.48 | MohammadAG | takes it out and puts a 50MW laser |
| 11:31.51 | nid0 | nah, thats where the pico projector needs to be |
| 11:31.57 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 11:31.59 | MiXu- | Remember N93? :) |
| 11:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | starts shooting holes into platic bags with his 150mW green laser |
| 11:32.04 | TigerTael | MiXu-, ;/ |
| 11:32.12 | SpeedEvil | nid0: camera on one side, projector on the other = invisible n900! |
| 11:32.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I really want a laser lol |
| 11:32.19 | MiXu- | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 11:32.39 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, or lcd on one side, cam one the other, and it becomes cloaked |
| 11:33.00 | viliny | how did we ever manage to put holes on plastic bags before consumer level hobby lasers :P |
| 11:33.17 | MiXu- | MohammadAG: That sounds familiar. Isn't N900 like that? ;) |
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| 11:33.49 | lcuk | could you switch out the IR led for a laser on the n900 |
| 11:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: blame OM for not building my GTA04 concept - laser included ;-P |
| 11:34.11 | MiXu- | lcuk: that would be cool :) |
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| 11:35.05 | lcuk | tho putting a water tank and a bonsai shark inside the frame would be a bit tough |
| 11:35.15 | SpeedEvil | oh - neat |
| 11:35.21 | SpeedEvil | xkcd - thunderdome |
| 11:35.48 | nid0 | speaking of xkcd + lazorz |
| 11:35.51 | nid0 | http://www.xkcd.com/729/ |
| 11:36.20 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, magic smoke vail is class |
| 11:36.35 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I love the movie reference. |
| 11:36.41 | SpeedEvil | (in the middle) |
| 11:37.29 | pupnik | kitteh dreams http://xckd.com/729/ |
| 11:39.46 | viliny | so 5mw is the most you can use without a license in the us eh? |
| 11:40.05 | viliny | im not a laser hobbyist and i know nothing about them |
| 11:40.08 | mece | wot? Thunderdome? Where? How? |
| 11:41.25 | SpeedEvil | mece: do you know what a diode does? |
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| 11:42.45 | mece | yes. |
| 11:42.54 | mece | aaahaha! |
| 11:42.55 | mece | awesome! |
| 11:43.32 | mece | Missed it. I thought of gladiators, since it's an amphitheatre. |
| 11:44.03 | viliny | i completely lost the thread here |
| 11:44.19 | viliny | shark tanks, lasers, diodes and gladiators |
| 11:45.12 | nid0 | diodes and gladiators, along with magic smoke, refer to http://www.xkcd.com/730/ |
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| 11:48.29 | mece | viliny, think diodes and what these people are saying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk |
| 11:48.32 | mece | :D |
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| 11:50.42 | MohammadAG | thought it was too quiet to be #maemo |
| 11:50.59 | MohammadAG | turns out my N900 switched connections |
| 11:51.15 | noobmonk3y_Work | w00000t's! - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=620886 |
| 11:52.21 | MohammadAG | facepalms and downloads the app |
| 11:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: replacing power IR-LED by a laser module is perfectly feasible iirc |
| 11:53.09 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 11:53.09 | noobmonk3y_Work | lol's |
| 11:53.11 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what will the sharks feed on? |
| 11:53.24 | MohammadAG | laser beams? |
| 11:53.31 | noobmonk3y_Work | DocScrutinizer: you could rebuild the N900 to make it look and feel like an iphone too.......... *facepalm* |
| 11:53.44 | lcuk | the laser unit is situated on sharks head |
| 11:53.57 | MohammadAG | lcuk, attach a mirror |
| 11:53.58 | lcuk | since lasers cannot bend we would need to add a vanity mirror addon to feed the sharks |
| 11:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y_Work: *me* not |
| 11:54.16 | noobmonk3y_Work | lol |
| 11:54.53 | lcuk | noobmonk3y_Work, for comments like that you will be banished :p |
| 11:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I thought you'd be honestly interested in long distance IR control |
| 11:55.17 | noobmonk3y_Work | lcuk: banished to #meego? lol - is that the new dungeon? ;) |
| 11:55.19 | mece | noobmonk3y_Work, what's with the woot? |
| 11:55.26 | lcuk | noobmonk3y_Work, worse. |
| 11:55.27 | noobmonk3y_Work | just likes w0000ting |
| 11:55.41 | TigerTael | I'm going to make the dancing monkey michael jackson look-alike app! |
| 11:55.52 | noobmonk3y_Work | grins - thats the spirit! |
| 11:56.15 | mece | oh right.. |
| 11:56.23 | mece | you misspelled realize. |
| 11:56.25 | mece | :P |
| 11:56.45 | mece | doh |
| 11:56.49 | mece | no you didn't |
| 11:56.53 | mece | sorry |
| 11:57.01 | mece | yes you did! |
| 11:57.07 | mece | ahaa! |
| 11:57.17 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Do you know if the IR range limit is caused by low power led or a bad lens? |
| 11:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I don't think thre's any lens on the aperture. Th eLED looks quite beefy. Probably carrier freq mismatch |
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| 11:59.00 | X-Fade | Yeah, or the lens is actually filtering too much :) |
| 11:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | that'd be an epic fail |
| 11:59.43 | X-Fade | Would be good to test without it ;) |
| 12:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | will do eventually maybe |
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| 12:00.16 | mece | anyone here play sauerbraten? |
| 12:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | *hungry* |
| 12:01.03 | Funnyface | is it just me, or is the N900 limited to 1Mbit as a USB modem? |
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| 12:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | that has to be 'just you' |
| 12:02.38 | Funnyface | when I use speedtest.net I only get 1/1Mbit from the test, while when I am using joikuspot I can achieve 1.5Mbit++ on good days |
| 12:02.59 | Funnyface | also, when I check the reported speed of the modem, it says "1Mbit".. :\ |
| 12:03.32 | Surfa | and what are you expecting? |
| 12:03.52 | frals | lol my labpartner is awesome |
| 12:03.54 | Funnyface | about that |
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| 12:04.25 | Surfa | how fast is your connection? happens it to be 1Mbit? |
| 12:04.49 | frals | im like "check row 210 where its defined" and he opens up the source code in notepad instead of the IDE we were forced to install to do this assignment |
| 12:04.56 | frals | "sec just gonna count the rows" |
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| 12:05.15 | Funnyface | like I said I can get 1.5Mbit or so on a good day, but as a USB modem it seems to be capped at 1Mbit |
| 12:05.37 | Surfa | yes, and what are you expecting to get? |
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| 12:05.49 | Stskeeps | Funnyface: might be a usb1.0 port? :P |
| 12:05.52 | libben | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697 anyone got a workaround on that bug? |
| 12:05.54 | povbot | Bug 8697: Birthdays of synchronized contacs (from gmail) are incorrect |
| 12:06.06 | Funnyface | hehe, nah, shouldn't be :P |
| 12:06.30 | Stskeeps | Funnyface: try to avoid having both usb and device internet on at same time |
| 12:06.35 | Stskeeps | i had difficulties with that |
| 12:06.39 | Funnyface | anyway if I open the task manager in windows, then select the Network tab, it lists the modem as "1Mbit" |
| 12:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
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| 12:10.14 | MohammadAG | thinks the menu in Maemo 5 isn't sensible/smart |
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| 12:10.52 | TomaszD | is there a good reason why bluemaemo doesn't use the physical keyboard of the n900, but only the horribly designed on-screen one? |
| 12:11.18 | MohammadAG | ask VDVsx when he joins |
| 12:11.28 | zash | what? |
| 12:11.36 | zash | it doesn't? |
| 12:11.41 | TomaszD | it doesn't |
| 12:12.00 | TomaszD | and the onscreen one is next to useless |
| 12:12.36 | zash | I was under the impression that it would use the keyboard |
| 12:12.50 | TomaszD | I guess that would make too much sense |
| 12:12.50 | zash | TomaszD: what mode are you using? |
| 12:13.14 | TomaszD | keyboard mode? This whole app only looks good, but once you try using it... aargh :( |
| 12:14.08 | MohammadAG | it's not useless, it's just not very easy to get used to |
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| 12:14.59 | TomaszD | oh come on, I don't need excuses, try typing a few sentences with it, it's like it was never tested by people who use full stops and commas |
| 12:15.28 | TomaszD | not to mention no indication of whether its in caps mode, it looks as though it's always caps |
| 12:16.16 | X-Fade | TomaszD: It is a hobby project, there is a reason why it is not in Extras. |
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| 12:16.55 | TomaszD | X-Fade, I do understand it, but it looks like a lot of effort has gone into making it look good, but not work good |
| 12:16.56 | zash | TomaszD: have you tried pulling out and usingthe keyboard in mouse mode? |
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| 12:18.13 | TomaszD | no |
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| 12:20.45 | hrw | "N900 its like a car before the invention of wheelsâ¦" |
| 12:20.49 | hrw | love it |
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| 12:21.37 | TigerTael | haha |
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| 12:21.42 | florian | :-) |
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| 12:23.03 | TomaszD | hrw, are you happy with your purchase of the n900? |
| 12:23.24 | hrw | TomaszD: maybe not happy but I like it |
| 12:23.34 | TigerTael | hrw, good call. |
| 12:23.56 | TomaszD | hrw, so you're not happy with a likeable product? |
| 12:24.13 | TigerTael | 'Happy' is too ambiguous a term... |
| 12:24.15 | koala_man | what did you have before? |
| 12:24.47 | TomaszD | happy, content, pleased |
| 12:24.59 | TigerTael | Well then, I'm not content with it either... |
| 12:25.10 | Surfa | easy |
| 12:25.11 | TigerTael | I am find using it from day to day, it's nice to use. |
| 12:25.26 | hrw | koala_man: pda: palm m105, clie sj30, zaurus sl-5500/c760 + 5600/6000L/3000. phones: ericsson a2618s, alcatel ot501, nokia 6310i, sony ericsson k750i, nokia e66. tablets: nokia 770, nokia n810 |
| 12:25.27 | Surfa | do you think that phone is worth paying whatever you have paid for it? |
| 12:25.29 | zash | TomaszD: what happens if you go into mouse mode and use the physical keyboard |
| 12:25.43 | TomaszD | there is no phone more expensive than the n900 so switching to another one is a piece of cake |
| 12:25.49 | Surfa | i think that could be definition of happy in this case? |
| 12:25.53 | hrw | Surfa: I paid 250⬠and that was acceptable. would not pay full 600⬠price |
| 12:25.56 | TigerTael | Surfa, I would say yes, but I love open/linux OS'. ;P |
| 12:26.01 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: you're forgetting golden plated n900 ;p |
| 12:26.13 | TomaszD | zash, not sure yet, I'm trying to boot UNE on the joggler, having problems |
| 12:26.25 | koala_man | I would have been ecstatic to replace 14 devices with one |
| 12:26.31 | Surfa | hrw, probably no one has paid full 600 :) |
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| 12:26.35 | TigerTael | lolololol |
| 12:26.37 | Surfa | maybe first buyers.. |
| 12:26.44 | TigerTael | Sorry, koala_man, good call. |
| 12:27.03 | Arkenoi | well, n900 is the the first communicator since 1998 that i really like. The first one was good just because the idea was new, but all future implementation sucked until now. |
| 12:27.05 | hrw | Surfa: for me 250⬠was ~max acceptable price. |
| 12:27.24 | hrw | Arkenoi: s60 ones had working PIM... |
| 12:27.28 | TigerTael | hrw, did you get a new one for that price? |
| 12:27.30 | hrw | Arkenoi: n900 lacks |
| 12:27.35 | hrw | ~ddp |
| 12:27.36 | infobot | it has been said that ddp is the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/ but also Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services, also Device Discount Program by Nokia |
| 12:27.51 | hrw | TigerTael: ddp - last part of definition |
| 12:27.54 | Surfa | well, i must admit that I preferably wouldn't pay one euro for most of the phones |
| 12:28.06 | Surfa | and most of the phones aren't worth 50eur |
| 12:28.11 | Arkenoi | hrw: there are zillion other reasons why s60 sucks. and PIM sucks there as well, it just sucks a bit less. actually the only PIM that did not suck was Agendus on PalmOS |
| 12:28.37 | Surfa | or actually there is no phone that I would myself pay more than 50eur |
| 12:28.53 | hrw | Arkenoi: agendus... I would pay 60$ for maemo5 version right after announcement |
| 12:28.53 | E0x | morning ppl |
| 12:29.17 | Arkenoi | hrw: i would as well |
| 12:29.18 | TigerTael | hrw, aha. |
| 12:29.39 | hrw | Arkenoi: there is maemo5 pim, normal pim and agendus pim |
| 12:29.53 | hrw | in other words: crap, normal, premium |
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| 12:30.54 | Arkenoi | s60 was optimized for numeric keypads and small screens, so it sucked on qwerty devices big time, it even lacked keyboard shortcuts from s80 |
| 12:31.22 | E0x | gtalk from the windows pc where at work can connect trought the proxy fine |
| 12:31.37 | E0x | but the gtalk account from my n900 can't |
| 12:31.53 | MiXu- | S60 sucked no matter how you look at it. |
| 12:32.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I paid >600EUR, incl shipping |
| 12:32.35 | MiXu- | I think I'll end up paying 480EUR |
| 12:32.56 | MiXu- | It's a 2 year deal 20e/month |
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| 12:34.34 | Arkenoi | paid $620 |
| 12:34.52 | mikki-kun | i paid 530⬠|
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| 12:35.06 | Arkenoi | and i later discovered it is a bit too much, there are offers for $500-, dunno if those are for real though |
| 12:36.19 | hrw | TomaszD: so back to your question. n900 nie czyni mnie szczÄÅliwym ale lubiÄ ten telefon mimo jego wad. |
| 12:36.49 | crashanddie | hrw: english please |
| 12:36.59 | hrw | TomaszD: and this does not stop me from complaining a lot. most of my karma points are because of my complains |
| 12:37.16 | TomaszD | so complaining makes you more karma, which makes you happy |
| 12:37.19 | TomaszD | :) |
| 12:37.22 | Stskeeps | i should probably be worried i understood parts of that sentence |
| 12:37.31 | hrw | crashanddie: '< hrw> TomaszD: maybe not happy but I like it' more described in Polish directly |
| 12:37.38 | hrw | TomaszD: I do not care about maemo.org karma |
| 12:38.09 | hrw | TomaszD: I just got n900 discount because of karma - and then I checked what it is at all and how I got enough points |
| 12:38.17 | TomaszD | he said that the n900 doesn't make him happy, but he likes the phone despite its shortcomings |
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| 12:38.54 | hrw | right |
| 12:38.59 | crashanddie | wiem zo to bil polski |
| 12:39.05 | TomaszD | lol |
| 12:39.19 | d14 | lool |
| 12:39.45 | crashanddie | why the laughs? Did I say it wrong? |
| 12:39.56 | TomaszD | yes... |
| 12:40.00 | hrw | crashanddie: quite good said for non-Polish |
| 12:40.05 | d14 | :) |
| 12:40.32 | crashanddie | thanks :) |
| 12:40.50 | d14 | :) |
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| 12:41.02 | d14 | crashanddie: when you learn? |
| 12:41.11 | crashanddie | never |
| 12:41.18 | crashanddie | I just spent a bit of time with polish friends |
| 12:41.52 | hrw | crashanddie: even in .au you can find Polish speaking people |
| 12:42.12 | d14 | :) |
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| 12:44.04 | crashanddie | I don't understand polish |
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| 12:44.15 | crashanddie | And I won't stay here long enough anyway |
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| 12:46.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | polish taking over and messing up everywhere ;-P Just yesterday saw a TV docu about WW2 where polish pilots ruined radio discipline of RAF |
| 12:47.48 | hrw | DocScrutinizer-8: and raf was fine with it cause without them there would be no raf? |
| 12:48.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
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| 12:48.35 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer-8: they forgot to mention that polish division 303 shot the most german aircrafts |
| 12:48.53 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer-8: and they joined 2 months later |
| 12:49.08 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no, they mentioned it |
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| 12:50.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nah, I'm not sure if you're talking bout polish devision of RAF now... |
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| 12:56.36 | hrw | heh... one blog post and one n900 user less |
| 12:56.42 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/#comment-28180 |
| 12:57.45 | Shapeshifter | Is it possible to use downloaded maps with maep? I searched all around but can't find anything |
| 12:58.07 | Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: when you go to an area it caches it |
| 12:58.17 | hrw | btw - someone know linux calendar app other then evolution, dates, korganizer, gpe calendar, kdepim/pi? |
| 12:58.35 | Arkenoi | well, maemo calendar is acceptable as google calendar client ;-) |
| 12:59.24 | hrw | Arkenoi: *if* you use google calendar |
| 12:59.41 | Arkenoi | i do |
| 12:59.58 | Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: well yeah, but isn't it possible to just use a downloaded map? Like, I can download the whole of europe of open streetmaps in like 4gb and then wouldn't need to download any on the fly anymore |
| 13:00.07 | Stskeeps | noone made a tool for it yet |
| 13:00.11 | Arkenoi | but on s60 my "main" calendar was on device and google was in sync just in case as alternative way to access it |
| 13:00.22 | Arkenoi | the situation reversed with n900 |
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| 13:02.00 | rmrfchik | Arkenoi: somewhat usable |
| 13:02.11 | rmrfchik | I do use google calendar with atendee |
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| 13:02.23 | rmrfchik | and complex repeat pattern |
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| 13:02.53 | rmrfchik | all of it is not supported in n900. |
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| 13:03.26 | rmrfchik | It shows "Birthday" but do not allow to call corresponding account. Even don't allow to open it |
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| 13:05.04 | hrw | welcome in 1995 rmrfchik |
| 13:05.20 | rmrfchik | yeah |
| 13:05.26 | rmrfchik | sad, sad panda |
| 13:05.26 | hrw | palmpilot from 1998 had better calendar |
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| 13:05.42 | hrw | with 128KB ram |
| 13:05.45 | rmrfchik | indeed. I remeber by m505/T3... damn, it was brilliant |
| 13:06.12 | hrw | rmrfchik: I was considering buying palmos5 device during last 2 years just for pim |
| 13:06.29 | hrw | garnet vm on n810/n900 is not the same |
| 13:06.35 | rmrfchik | i really did use all those ToDo, Memos, Calendars. Not with modern devices, because they can't handle PIM |
| 13:07.19 | rmrfchik | bunch of separated applications with stupid questions "Open?" "Save?" |
| 13:07.24 | Arkenoi | stock palmOS pim was quite basic |
| 13:07.27 | lcuk | hrw, had the palmpilot calendar been open source we might have been able to use it |
| 13:07.30 | Arkenoi | agendus was great |
| 13:08.04 | hrw | Arkenoi: was basic but also easy to use + quick |
| 13:08.11 | rmrfchik | Arkenoi: and agendus used the same DB for calendar, so you can still use it |
| 13:08.11 | hrw | lcuk: do not think so |
| 13:08.24 | rmrfchik | hrw: it was |
| 13:08.42 | rmrfchik | hrw: SDK contains almost all aplications in source, afair |
| 13:08.43 | Arkenoi | hrw: i did not like it at all, nothing exceptional if compared to other PDAs of that time |
| 13:09.30 | hrw | rmrfchik: sure, but palmos structures etc |
| 13:10.29 | rmrfchik | hrw: huh? database structure was open as hell ;) |
| 13:10.33 | crashanddie | gents, does the XMPP SMS API still work? |
| 13:11.09 | hrw | rmrfchik: I mean - too many changes to make for source - probably faster to write from scratch |
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| 13:12.18 | rmrfchik | I wonder, when access-linux will stop to shop Garnet VM emulator? |
| 13:12.26 | rmrfchik | s/shop/ship |
| 13:12.54 | rmrfchik | seems like all their betas just the same software with moved EOL date |
| 13:12.57 | crashanddie | GAN900: awake? |
| 13:13.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US |
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| 13:15.16 | Stskeeps | ponders idly why that +q was set |
| 13:15.23 | hrw | rmrfchik: and no n900 version |
| 13:15.40 | rmrfchik | hrw: I run latest beta on n900. it works |
| 13:15.41 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Because Doc is playing. |
| 13:16.00 | hrw | rmrfchik: I do same |
| 13:16.10 | hrw | rmrfchik: but display should be 180° reversed |
| 13:16.13 | rmrfchik | it is sad, that I can't control rotation of garnet |
| 13:16.16 | rmrfchik | lol ;) |
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| 13:16.26 | rmrfchik | crazy japs |
| 13:16.35 | marcusmoller | Heya there. |
| 13:16.44 | marcusmoller | Anybody can guide me to a font installation guide for the n900? (: |
| 13:17.10 | marcusmoller | Google'd a lot, but most of them were by replacing the nokia ones. |
| 13:17.15 | hrw | marcusmoller: just copy to /usr/share/fonts or ~/.fonts/ and 'fc-cache -av' |
| 13:17.30 | marcusmoller | hrw: Where do you suggest I'd back it up then? |
| 13:17.35 | rmrfchik | uses stock fonts + droid |
| 13:17.55 | hrw | marcusmoller: you asked for installation not replacing |
| 13:17.56 | rmrfchik | droid fonts ara avail from packages |
| 13:18.22 | marcusmoller | hrw: Aha. You're right, I didn't read it all ;). |
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| 13:18.38 | marcusmoller | hrw: But how would I use them then? |
| 13:18.50 | hrw | thats up to you |
| 13:19.03 | hrw | I instaled only terminus fonts for terminal to make it usable |
| 13:19.31 | andrewfblack | Just learned something neat I didn't know MS Excel would open and save ods format |
| 13:20.08 | Arkenoi | uses droid sans mono for terminal |
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| 13:20.56 | rmrfchik | I wonder, can I change default shell to bash in /etc/passwd for user? |
| 13:21.04 | adeus | I have |
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| 13:21.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | rmrfchik: yes |
| 13:21.34 | hrw | rmrfchik: 'root' then 'chsh user' - more safe |
| 13:21.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | but you might encounter problems on boot |
| 13:22.01 | crashanddie | who here is in the US? |
| 13:22.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | not quite clear yet if it's safe for user |
| 13:22.18 | rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer-8: errr.. that's what i'm asking ;) |
| 13:22.32 | crashanddie | c'mon you yanks, you know you want to tell me you're there |
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| 13:22.35 | rmrfchik | "can I eat those berries?" "yes..... but you will die" |
| 13:22.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway you need bash or whatever in \etc/shells then |
| 13:23.06 | hrw | DocScrutinizer-8: my device did not broke after that |
| 13:23.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hrw |
| 13:23.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hrw: both passwd and shells? |
| 13:24.06 | rmrfchik | ls: /etc/shells: No such file or directory |
| 13:24.16 | sECuRE | nah |
| 13:24.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | i.e. you actually had bash on user login? |
| 13:24.22 | sECuRE | you only need to modify /etc/passwd |
| 13:24.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sECuRE: I heard contrary |
| 13:24.57 | hrw | DocScrutinizer-8: I used chsh only and user@n900 has bash in xterm |
| 13:25.00 | sECuRE | i just did that this morning, it works |
| 13:25.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm. lots of bogus reports around it seems. Thanks for a clear one :-) |
| 13:26.01 | sECuRE | np |
| 13:26.17 | adeus | I edited it with vi |
| 13:26.20 | adeus | made a typo |
| 13:26.21 | adeus | saved |
| 13:26.30 | adeus | and found out undo is not supported |
| 13:26.37 | sECuRE | heh, yes, busybox vi really sucks |
| 13:26.49 | hrw | sECuRE: it does not suxx. it is just limited |
| 13:26.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | busybox * SUCKS |
| 13:27.04 | sECuRE | yes, all cool features are left out. i call that sucking ;) |
| 13:27.05 | hrw | I adore busybox vi on my devices |
| 13:27.17 | hrw | and prefer busybox vi over vim when work on serial console |
| 13:27.40 | hrw | busybox/vi always uses whole screen. vim checks $COLUMNS $LINES and assumes 80x24 |
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| 13:28.00 | sECuRE | i never had that problem with vim, but i donât use it much via serial console |
| 13:28.02 | hrw | which suxx in 200x80 terminals |
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| 13:29.38 | rmrfchik | something suxx when author lame, but busybox limited intentionally |
| 13:29.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway bash is a halfassed approach without coreutils. And those are confirmed to break boot aka initscripts - FAIL :-( |
| 13:30.01 | rmrfchik | moreover, it is bash who suxx when you see from zsh side |
| 13:30.06 | Treibholz | DocScrutinizer-8: you may install gnu-coreutils |
| 13:30.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | of initscripts though |
| 13:30.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Treibholz: yoh |
| 13:30.27 | sECuRE | DocScrutinizer-8: initscripts do not use bash just because you change your login shell |
| 13:31.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sECuRE: yes, but guys changed system shell to bash |
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| 13:31.18 | sECuRE | why would you do that? |
| 13:31.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | dunno... maybe to get rid of friggin messybox? |
| 13:31.50 | sECuRE | i donât see a point in that |
| 13:32.10 | sECuRE | for interactive use a more featureful shell might be useful, but why change a running system without obvious benefits? |
| 13:32.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | why use messyboxisms in initscripts first instance? |
| 13:33.21 | sECuRE | because itâs small and available? *shrug* not my decision, but it seems to work fine so far |
| 13:33.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sECuRE: you missed the point |
| 13:34.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | either messybox is POSIX then bash should work as well. Or it's not and then what other reason do you need to avoid it all together |
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| 13:35.04 | sECuRE | not sure if busybox is posix. chances are the initscripts are not, which is relatively likely |
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| 13:35.14 | sECuRE | OTOH, if they come directly from debian, they are very likely posix |
| 13:35.35 | sECuRE | as debian switched to dash as default shell and had a mass-bugfiling against packages with bashisms in their initscripts a while ago |
| 13:36.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | see, each and every sane system works with posix conformant shell and coreutils. Maemo doesn't |
| 13:36.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I'd call that a bug in its own |
| 13:36.53 | sECuRE | yep, if you want to ensure that, iâd recommend changing /bin/sh to dash and see what breaks ;) |
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| 13:37.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | fsck, I don't need to do such nonsense. Reports of coreutils breaking init cause scripts use busyboxisms are legend |
| 13:38.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so does basj or anything but busybox for sys-shell |
| 13:39.15 | rmrfchik | guys, why you think initscripts are depends on _user_ shell>? |
| 13:39.21 | sECuRE | we donât |
| 13:39.27 | rmrfchik | oh, good |
| 13:39.32 | sECuRE | see 15:31 |
| 13:39.42 | sECuRE | err, 8 minutes ago, whatever time zone you are in |
| 13:39.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and you can't tell me there's a sane rationale to use special borked busyboxisms in init, just because busybox is available |
| 13:39.54 | rmrfchik | +2 ;) |
| 13:40.10 | sECuRE | DocScrutinizer-8: nope, of course thatâs not rational |
| 13:40.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so that's a bug in maemo initscripts |
| 13:43.25 | rmrfchik | debian on PC didn't use bash or zsh or busybox for initscripts. it this is not a question of compatibility |
| 13:43.47 | rmrfchik | yes, they do care about compatibility, but the main reason is speed and efficiency |
| 13:44.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm perfectly ok to replace any sane posix shell by busybox *after* you've checked your initscripts are working in a most general conformant way |
| 13:45.06 | rmrfchik | I can believe that busybox is much faster in initscripts than bash, just because it smaller |
| 13:45.23 | MohammadAG | grumbles |
| 13:46.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no problem, I bet it's faster. But busybox is NOT THAT bad you could not write compatible scripts |
| 13:47.00 | hrw | rmrfchik: ash (busybox sh), dash, bash - thats order of speed for initscripts |
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| 13:47.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sure. busybox is a multicall executable that never needs to load further program text |
| 13:48.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | for sure it's magnitudes faster |
| 13:49.01 | MohammadAG | does anyone know how to use awk? |
| 13:49.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nevertheless it is (or should be) a dropin replacement |
| 13:49.10 | mgedmin | I bet google does |
| 13:49.27 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, I didn't know that... |
| 13:49.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nah, not even google X0 |
| 13:49.36 | mgedmin | MohammadAG, no charge |
| 13:49.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | XP |
| 13:49.39 | supertramp | what linux application is most suitable for meamo calendar sync? |
| 13:50.00 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, now that's what open source is all about! :P |
| 13:50.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: no, that's Creative Commons |
| 13:50.45 | RST38h | moos |
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| 13:51.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | queeks |
| 13:51.12 | MohammadAG | googles Creative Comments |
| 13:51.18 | MohammadAG | common* |
| 13:51.21 | MohammadAG | s* |
| 13:52.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: CC probably is about giving away advice for free :-P |
| 13:52.32 | rmrfchik | MohammadAG: I use awk |
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| 13:54.56 | rmrfchik | MohammadAG: I use awk |
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| 13:55.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer-8, does CC involve crashing N900s? :P |
| 13:55.54 | MohammadAG | rmrfchik, I'll check google first, might as well read about awk, thanks anyways |
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| 14:15.12 | Khertan | Easy personalization for less than the price of a coffee. |
| 14:15.12 | Khertan | Prismic Wallpaper Manager - Only $3.75 |
| 14:15.22 | Khertan | ouch coffeee are high priced in dollars |
| 14:15.23 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:15.38 | Khertan | Hi everyone |
| 14:15.51 | lcuk | Khertan, spamming again? |
| 14:16.39 | Khertan | hum ... why again ? |
| 14:17.29 | lcuk | you take things too seriously :p |
| 14:17.46 | Khertan | i mean why again ? |
| 14:17.55 | Khertan | because ... i'm just spamming as usual |
| 14:17.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:18.41 | Khertan | hum ... maybe it s just one of the reason of iphone OS 1 didn't have the copy / paste |
| 14:18.48 | Khertan | just to avoid spamming on irc :) |
| 14:19.29 | RST38h | thinks the Tentacled One should get medieval on theme makers spamming Extras with dozens of their themes, placed into random categories |
| 14:20.29 | Khertan | ;) |
| 14:20.54 | nid0 | dozens of themes would be all well and good, if only there was a themese category :( |
| 14:20.56 | Khertan | Hum ... i see that there still not interesting post on tmo |
| 14:21.18 | Khertan | nid0, and a preview screenshot :) |
| 14:21.26 | Khertan | in ham |
| 14:21.33 | nid0 | indeed |
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| 14:21.45 | Khertan | like ubuntu did it in them "pseudo" package manager |
| 14:24.15 | Khertan | someone can remember me where ham store his preferences priority on repository and which repository to ignore |
| 14:24.16 | Khertan | ? |
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| 14:28.38 | frals | lcuk: did you keep fmms installed on any of your devices? |
| 14:28.48 | frals | lcuk: if so, did you notice any extra battery drain? :P |
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| 14:30.41 | lcuk | frals, my battery rarely drains unexpectedly and yes ive got it installed on my image |
| 14:33.12 | SpeedEvil | frals: checked right now - short term average is about 15mA - which is about right |
| 14:33.21 | SpeedEvil | frals: for before fmms |
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| 14:33.25 | frals | SpeedEvil, lcuk: cheers |
| 14:33.29 | SpeedEvil | and it's installed. |
| 14:33.45 | SpeedEvil | So, at least here, it's not having a noticable impact when you never use it |
| 14:34.05 | SpeedEvil | Is there any daemon that it runs? |
| 14:34.29 | noobmonk3y_Work | left liqflow running for 3 hours this morning, battery was not a happy bunny........ |
| 14:34.31 | frals | fmmsd.py is started whenever an MMS is received and then stays |
| 14:34.47 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 14:35.06 | lcuk | noobmonk3y_Work, yes its quite an intensive task |
| 14:35.08 | frals | /opt/fmms/fmmsd.py |
| 14:35.28 | SpeedEvil | frals: should starting from the commandline do the same as mms |
| 14:35.29 | lcuk | thing is, i cant find a way to detect if the video out is connected |
| 14:35.37 | lcuk | so i cant just blank on main screen blank |
| 14:35.48 | frals | SpeedEvil: yeah it does the same thing |
| 14:35.55 | noobmonk3y_Work | frals - the naming convention idea, it's genius - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=621045 |
| 14:35.56 | ech0HTPC | mornin everyone |
| 14:35.57 | frals | as the dbus-service command just launches the application that way |
| 14:38.21 | lcuk | noobmonk3y_Work, can i ask where you got the samples for your fart app |
| 14:38.36 | frals | :D |
| 14:38.46 | lcuk | this is one time i am pleased the nasal interface was left off the n900 |
| 14:38.49 | noobmonk3y_Work | not got em yet! |
| 14:38.52 | noobmonk3y_Work | lol |
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| 14:39.32 | lcuk | perhaps *and i hate myself for suggesting this* you should begin a thread and see if you can have collarative fartathon |
| 14:40.02 | lcuk | frals, does fmms have the potential to support sound clips? |
| 14:40.18 | Khertan | with videos !!!! |
| 14:40.20 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:40.22 | Khertan | gurk |
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| 14:41.18 | lcuk | if you get fart notes for the entire musical scale - we could make a midi interface for it |
| 14:41.25 | SpeedEvil | frals: Ok - initial results are that with the daemon running, it uses lots more power. Checking that this isn't false |
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| 14:42.22 | frals | lcuk: it already does, kinda.. it doesnt recode shit but it attaches fine ;) |
| 14:42.44 | lcuk | good :) |
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| 14:42.54 | lcuk | recoding shit would be messy |
| 14:43.15 | frals | SpeedEvil: ta, will take a look what might be the problem then |
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| 14:46.21 | SpeedEvil | frals: I'm unsure - it's not doing it reliably - I need to finish off my battery testing framework |
| 14:46.34 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 14:46.36 | SpeedEvil | ignore |
| 14:46.40 | SpeedEvil | it made the LED flash I think |
| 14:46.43 | SpeedEvil | that'll do it |
| 14:47.30 | frals | uh, it should only flash the LED if you receive an MMS.. |
| 14:47.34 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 14:47.35 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, which app do you use for investigating |
| 14:48.01 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: the bq* script from ShadowJK |
| 14:48.14 | lcuk | ahh so its not graphical yet |
| 14:48.17 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 14:48.38 | lcuk | well, you are the api to detecting power usage atm :D |
| 14:48.55 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, do you stop regular apps |
| 14:49.00 | SpeedEvil | I have a broken trivial thing that I haven't finished off - which starts and stops stuff 20 times over a few minutes, and measures start and stop power |
| 14:49.03 | lcuk | or do you get baseline, then add on the new app |
| 14:49.14 | SpeedEvil | I need to fix it - I was just doing that manually |
| 14:49.29 | lcuk | yeah different apps etc have different methods of startup |
| 14:49.39 | SpeedEvil | it was probably xchat flashed it, and I diddn't kill the notification |
| 14:49.55 | SpeedEvil | that's an issue which makes it harder yes - for commandline it's easy |
| 14:49.59 | SpeedEvil | afk |
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| 14:56.40 | ShadowJK | I'll probably finish it and then rewrite it in proper C before bothering with graphical fluff. |
| 14:57.05 | ShadowJK | Long term plan is bme replacement, not battery-eye/batterygraph replacement ;) |
| 14:58.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | (frals> fmmsd.py is started whenever an MMS is received and then stays) isn't that a quite wrong concept? |
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| 14:59.31 | ShadowJK | what's it doing to cause battery drain? polling instead of sleeping? |
| 14:59.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | esp if it's a power hog |
| 15:00.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah, sounds nasty odd |
| 15:00.32 | lcuk | ShadowJK, if the results are parsable you dont need to make the visuals |
| 15:00.57 | frals | it should be sleeping |
| 15:01.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so top is your friend then, and strace :-P |
| 15:01.53 | ShadowJK | lcuk, yeah they're parseable, I parse it myself with a second script ;) |
| 15:01.56 | lcuk | :) |
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| 15:02.09 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer-8, and powertop |
| 15:02.15 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 15:05.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: how do you read out 27200? Could you do same for 24150 (maybe sigstop bme for 500ms)? and then send output (preferrably commented like 'charger plugged') to me |
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| 15:06.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: apropos - checked the /dev/I2C-* and if they are useful by any means? |
| 15:07.03 | ShadowJK | Yes I could do the same with bq24150 |
| 15:07.13 | hurbu | hi |
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| 15:07.27 | ShadowJK | and the i2cget helper executable is accessing /dev/i2c-2 |
| 15:08.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: aah (helper). (do) a lil RE for BME ;-D |
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| 15:09.19 | hurbu | i'm trying to connect to internet trught usb, and the maemo browser ask me for connection |
| 15:09.35 | hurbu | but with xterm i cant ping evrything |
| 15:09.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: maybe >> interleave a 'tail /var/log/*'? |
| 15:09.45 | hurbu | i *can |
| 15:10.25 | hurbu | any ideas? |
| 15:10.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | DNS? |
| 15:11.07 | hurbu | well i have not configured the resolv.conf |
| 15:11.19 | hurbu | but i ping using the ip |
| 15:11.22 | hurbu | and it work |
| 15:11.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | 0ing working with URL? |
| 15:12.07 | hurbu | ? |
| 15:12.26 | hurbu | if i use wifi connection browser can connect |
| 15:12.31 | hurbu | with put only the ip |
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| 15:12.44 | hurbu | but if i use the usb |
| 15:12.57 | hurbu | browser don't work |
| 15:13.09 | hurbu | but i can ping everything with xterminal |
| 15:13.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | it tries to access unreachable DNServer |
| 15:13.43 | hurbu | ok |
| 15:14.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | try 'ping ct.de' |
| 15:15.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | check in wiki how to correctly mess around with etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:15.58 | hurbu | in this moment |
| 15:16.04 | hurbu | i havent nothing in resolv.conf |
| 15:16.12 | hurbu | but i can resolve ct.de |
| 15:16.17 | hurbu | with xterm |
| 15:16.33 | hurbu | but if i put in the browser |
| 15:16.38 | hurbu | it ask me for a connection |
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| 15:16.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, restart browser? |
| 15:17.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | dunno |
| 15:17.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ask timeless |
| 15:17.29 | hurbu | ok thx |
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| 15:18.24 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you're aware there is a bq27* module? |
| 15:18.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | heh |
| 15:18.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wonders wtf that one does |
| 15:18.55 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: though ATM it reads out only charge %, vbat, and vsense |
| 15:19.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | bah |
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| 15:19.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and doesn't create decent sysfs nodes? |
| 15:19.54 | SpeedEvil | ./2.6.28.10power-omap1/bq27x00_battery.ko |
| 15:20.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm smoking dry here |
| 15:21.15 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.15 | SpeedEvil | capacity device present temp uevent |
| 15:21.15 | SpeedEvil | current_now power subsystem type voltage_now |
| 15:21.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | heh |
| 15:22.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | now we need a bq2415x.ko and correstponding nodes - bye bme |
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| 15:24.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and of course bq27x00.ko should get a bit smarter, exporting all the interesting stuff from gauge chip |
| 15:24.32 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 15:24.41 | SpeedEvil | and not expoerting current as microvolts |
| 15:25.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | errr, microamps would be more sensible, yes |
| 15:26.16 | hurbu | is so strange becouse i'm trying chromium on n900 and it work, but i think all built in maemo application dont work trought usb(in my case) |
| 15:26.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | if only we could bully someone @Nokia to look up value of shunts in BOM |
| 15:27.09 | hrw | DocScrutinizer-8, SpeedEvil: playing with battery info? |
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| 15:27.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | time for playing is over |
| 15:27.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | now it's time for productive results |
| 15:28.09 | hurbu | well found a workaround using the ad-hoc connection(connecting to myself), and it works |
| 15:28.12 | hurbu | dunno why |
| 15:29.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | like >get better capacity estimation >nuke bme closed blob annoyance and put charging straight >enable usb host 5V power |
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| 15:34.22 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yeah the module doesn't interest me |
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| 15:40.15 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/#comment-28194 - nice comment which makes me wonder who is Chuck ;D |
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| 15:44.45 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: why not? |
| 15:45.33 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I mean - surely it's more sane to fix the existing kernel driver to export bq* information, not write your own userspace thingy that will not interoperate with other things touching the bq* |
| 15:47.23 | hrw | you try with maemo kernel or mainline 2.6.34-rc one? |
| 15:47.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | err.ko?!? |
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| 15:48.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | .ko sounds like kernel to me |
| 15:48.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway in a hurry. bbl |
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| 15:49.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | aah, yes. your words |
| 15:49.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | got it wrong |
| 15:50.11 | supertramp | why the airport touch dissapeared from ovi :( |
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| 15:50.22 | supertramp | don't you have a deb for airport touch? :) |
| 15:50.26 | lcuk | supertramp, i dunno but tracy was shouting |
| 15:51.09 | supertramp | tracy? |
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| 15:55.25 | PhonicUK | hey everyone |
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| 15:56.06 | PhonicUK | rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb <- wooo free space on rootfs! xD |
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| 15:56.21 | LuciusMare | Hi, is there a way i can precache the maps? I am going on a holiday, and I dont feel like paying a huge internet bill, so i'd like to do it at home |
| 15:56.30 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, tbh I moved it to /opt |
| 15:56.31 | hrw | LuciusMare: ovi maps? |
| 15:56.35 | LuciusMare | hrw: yes |
| 15:56.40 | PhonicUK | MohammadAG, now why didn't i think of that |
| 15:56.41 | MohammadAG | seems like a better option (easier restores) |
| 15:56.46 | hrw | LuciusMare: you have ms windows available? |
| 15:56.46 | PhonicUK | yah |
| 15:56.59 | PhonicUK | no issues with me moving it to opt and symlinking then? |
| 15:57.05 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 15:57.09 | hrw | PhonicUK: also move /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 15:57.12 | LuciusMare | well, I do, more precisely, a friend of mine does |
| 15:57.13 | LuciusMare | why? |
| 15:57.15 | MohammadAG | as well as /var/lib/dpkg |
| 15:57.17 | PhonicUK | awesome, ill do that when i get home |
| 15:57.23 | hrw | LuciusMare: use Nokia Maps Loader under windows |
| 15:57.26 | PhonicUK | its so much easier to do over an SSH session xD |
| 15:57.49 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, and /var/lib/apt |
| 15:57.54 | MohammadAG | those folders are hefty |
| 15:58.04 | LuciusMare | hrw: have anybody tested it under wien? |
| 15:58.04 | MohammadAG | don't moves the themes btw |
| 15:58.05 | LuciusMare | *wine |
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| 15:58.09 | MohammadAG | it borked my selecor |
| 15:58.14 | hrw | LuciusMare: no idea, I used winxppro |
| 15:58.19 | PhonicUK | themes are used before filesystems are mounted? |
| 15:58.21 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare, highly doubt it would work |
| 15:58.39 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, well no, you can't change your theme if you move the folder |
| 15:58.49 | MohammadAG | the personalisation_app segfauls |
| 15:58.53 | PhonicUK | ah i see |
| 15:58.56 | MohammadAG | (and coredumps) |
| 15:59.00 | MohammadAG | segfaults* |
| 15:59.06 | PhonicUK | cheers for that |
| 15:59.14 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 15:59.19 | PhonicUK | ive got 30MB free with all the repos enabled so its not too bad |
| 15:59.26 | PhonicUK | would be nice to get to 50/60MB though |
| 15:59.26 | MohammadAG | my slider's loose but in a nice smooth way |
| 15:59.35 | PhonicUK | keyboard slider? |
| 15:59.39 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, 58 here |
| 15:59.41 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 15:59.45 | hrw | 52.5MB here |
| 15:59.47 | MohammadAG | but I like it this way |
| 15:59.53 | PhonicUK | yah mines loosend up a bit |
| 16:00.01 | PhonicUK | got t-mobile to refund part of my bill today ^_^ |
| 16:00.03 | MohammadAG | 58 with over 100 apps btw |
| 16:00.09 | PhonicUK | they cocked up a bit when i renewed my contract :\ |
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| 16:00.21 | PhonicUK | resulting in a £58 phone bill |
| 16:00.59 | LuciusMare | AND, related to my first, question, can i enable internetless mode? |
| 16:01.18 | LuciusMare | offline mode does not solve that, i do want gsm |
| 16:01.37 | korhojoa | LuciusMare: internetless how? |
| 16:01.42 | PhonicUK | Lucius, theres an app to disable GPRS/3G while keeping GSM access |
| 16:01.45 | korhojoa | so it doesn't even ask? |
| 16:01.50 | PhonicUK | you can also disconnect the network entirely |
| 16:01.56 | LuciusMare | PhonicUK: great, what is it's name? |
| 16:01.57 | PhonicUK | while still being able to make calls |
| 16:01.59 | PhonicUK | 1 tick |
| 16:02.21 | LuciusMare | korhojoa: no, so it does not download *anything* |
| 16:02.51 | PhonicUK | LuciusMare, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/ |
| 16:03.23 | PhonicUK | also, simply "disconnecting" the active internet connection will stop data access - that said im not sure how much i trust it not to autoconnect to something when an app requests data |
| 16:03.40 | korhojoa | LuciusMare: Uh. I just tell it not to use any connections without me allowing it = nothing gets downloaded |
| 16:03.54 | PhonicUK | "Disable Data Roaming" ^_^ |
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| 16:04.00 | LuciusMare | huh. |
| 16:04.10 | LuciusMare | PhonicUK: you are the winner, but i do not trust it :D |
| 16:04.18 | LuciusMare | thanks for the app |
| 16:04.51 | PhonicUK | btw LuciusMare, got the unit to hand? theres another thing you should do if you're going away |
| 16:04.56 | LuciusMare | uh oh |
| 16:05.04 | PhonicUK | ? |
| 16:05.04 | LuciusMare | i thought... |
| 16:05.15 | LuciusMare | there is the setting - dual/3g/gsm - in the normal settings |
| 16:05.38 | PhonicUK | no, but there is an option in the normal settings to disable roaming for data |
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| 16:06.09 | PhonicUK | if you go Settings -> Phone -> Network -> Data Roaming -> "Always Ask" |
| 16:06.12 | LuciusMare | and how does it know i am roaming? |
| 16:06.16 | PhonicUK | by your network |
| 16:06.23 | PhonicUK | therse also Network Mode -> GSM |
| 16:06.25 | LuciusMare | oo |
| 16:06.29 | PhonicUK | in the same section |
| 16:06.35 | PhonicUK | you're right there is such an option |
| 16:06.46 | LuciusMare | great, great |
| 16:06.48 | PhonicUK | its all in Settings -> Phone -> Networking |
| 16:06.53 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 16:06.57 | PhonicUK | /s/networking/network |
| 16:06.59 | PhonicUK | no worries |
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| 16:08.48 | GAN900 | crashanddie, am now. :P |
| 16:12.02 | corecode_ | wow, no internet connected = battery lasts forever |
| 16:12.19 | oscillik | well, duh :p :) |
| 16:12.32 | SpeedEvil | internet doesn't do much for my battery life |
| 16:12.35 | SpeedEvil | much bad |
| 16:12.37 | SpeedEvil | well - wifi |
| 16:12.40 | hrw | SpeedEvil: over wifi... |
| 16:12.43 | lcuk | corecode_, did you know, if you turn your device off, it lasts longer than if its on |
| 16:12.46 | SpeedEvil | with good powersave |
| 16:12.50 | hrw | make net over 3g and battery will suck |
| 16:12.54 | SpeedEvil | as in under 10% faster discharge |
| 16:13.17 | corecode_ | yea 3g seems to be the problem |
| 16:13.22 | hrw | have a nice rest of day |
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| 16:14.21 | corecode_ | how is the radio being used differently with 3g? |
| 16:14.54 | LuciusMare | eh, what was the name of the app to load maps? |
| 16:15.08 | oscillik | 3G is a powerhog no matter what phone, it's not just the N900 that suffers bad battery life when 3G is used |
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| 16:15.11 | dneary | amigadave about? |
| 16:16.00 | LuciusMare | PhonicUK: ? |
| 16:16.16 | PhonicUK | dunno someone else said it |
| 16:16.25 | PhonicUK | <hrw> LuciusMare: use Nokia Maps Loader under windows |
| 16:16.34 | corecode_ | so is the problem running the radio in 3g mode, or actually sending packets in 3g? |
| 16:16.35 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 16:16.48 | corecode_ | i loaded the maps manually |
| 16:16.52 | corecode_ | the zip files |
| 16:16.55 | corecode_ | works decently |
| 16:17.03 | PhonicUK | took the sim card out of his N97, its been running non stop for nearly a week |
| 16:17.06 | corecode_ | although i think they are not covering everything |
| 16:17.36 | PhonicUK | i wonder how long the N900 would be able to run for with the sim card removed |
| 16:17.53 | PhonicUK | i probably wouldn't even notice, since i mostly use it for skype/internet over WiFi |
| 16:17.58 | lcuk | PhonicUK, could find out |
| 16:18.03 | corecode_ | i have a problem with arriving calls |
| 16:18.06 | lcuk | tracy barely charges hers |
| 16:18.09 | PhonicUK | if its anything like my N97, several days |
| 16:18.16 | corecode_ | when i have the phone in my pocket and a call comes in |
| 16:18.27 | PhonicUK | i left its WiFi and 3G on all the time, charge lasted a little over 1 day |
| 16:18.36 | corecode_ | and i pull out the phone, often i touch the screen area that make the call be rejected |
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| 16:18.41 | corecode_ | anybody else have that? |
| 16:18.46 | PhonicUK | i get that |
| 16:18.52 | corecode_ | ideas on how to work around it? |
| 16:19.02 | corecode_ | except for grabbing the phone differently? |
| 16:19.08 | PhonicUK | put it in your pocket with the back facing outwards |
| 16:19.21 | PhonicUK | i always have the screen facing my body |
| 16:19.40 | PhonicUK | after an accident with an iPaq 1930 where someone backed a chair out into me and broke the screen :\ |
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| 16:20.06 | corecode_ | yes i have it that way |
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| 16:20.18 | PhonicUK | none here then |
| 16:20.24 | PhonicUK | i also get the annoying bug where its stuck in portrait mode after taking/making a call |
| 16:20.38 | PhonicUK | getting it to turn back around is a matter of trial and error :\ |
| 16:20.46 | corecode_ | yes |
| 16:20.58 | lcuk | corecode_, put phone in pocket with screen sensor down |
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| 16:21.08 | lcuk | then when you reach in it doesnt activate until its out of pocket |
| 16:21.11 | lcuk | problem for all devices |
| 16:21.18 | corecode_ | lcuk: speaker down? |
| 16:21.18 | PhonicUK | i usually do it by closing the "Call" app, putting it in portrait with the keyboard out, and starting the call app |
| 16:21.23 | PhonicUK | almost always flips back around |
| 16:21.24 | lcuk | yes |
| 16:21.27 | corecode_ | i do that |
| 16:21.40 | corecode_ | but my thumb is on the "reject" when it comes out of the pocket |
| 16:21.56 | lcuk | ive not done it yet |
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| 16:22.05 | lcuk | never misses a call |
| 16:22.07 | corecode_ | happens to be for basically every call |
| 16:22.08 | PhonicUK | ive done that once |
| 16:22.10 | corecode_ | :/ |
| 16:22.11 | lcuk | unless im sleping |
| 16:22.16 | PhonicUK | i usually grab my phone by the sides |
| 16:22.23 | corecode_ | but i grab is between screen and back |
| 16:22.28 | corecode_ | not by the sides |
| 16:22.29 | PhonicUK | aah |
| 16:22.33 | copumpkin | hey, I was wondering if anyone had any experience sampling from the accelerometer on the n900 at high rates (50Hz or more) |
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| 16:22.53 | lcuk | copumpkin, sure |
| 16:23.04 | lcuk | liqacceltests does it frequently |
| 16:23.07 | lcuk | and onedotzero did |
| 16:23.10 | copumpkin | a friend of mine said he'd done it but that it was a polling-based mechanism and it was eating up all his CPU |
| 16:23.11 | lcuk | and liqflow works at 60fps |
| 16:23.16 | copumpkin | oh? |
| 16:23.21 | PhonicUK | N900 = portable seizmograph! |
| 16:23.22 | lcuk | yeah |
| 16:23.29 | lcuk | install liqflow from extras |
| 16:23.30 | lcuk | :) |
| 16:23.32 | lcuk | works nicely |
| 16:23.36 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 16:23.37 | PhonicUK | or a lie detector for people with a nervous twitch |
| 16:23.56 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 |
| 16:24.01 | lcuk | portable drum machine |
| 16:24.05 | copumpkin | liqflow is sampling from the accelerometer at 60fps, or just drawing graphics at 60fps? |
| 16:24.09 | PhonicUK | nice |
| 16:24.10 | lcuk | multiple n900s on a table detecting drumming |
| 16:24.13 | lcuk | both |
| 16:24.17 | copumpkin | ah, nice |
| 16:24.20 | PhonicUK | whats that device with the funny mask? |
| 16:24.23 | PhonicUK | another N900? |
| 16:24.26 | lcuk | its a proto |
| 16:24.32 | PhonicUK | aah |
| 16:24.32 | LuciusMare | I started ovi maps, connected it with usb to the computer, started map loader, and it keeps blinking "Waiting for phone" |
| 16:24.32 | lcuk | says in the comments |
| 16:24.41 | lcuk | we didnt have enough lol |
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| 16:24.54 | copumpkin | lcuk: any pointers API-wise for doing that? |
| 16:24.55 | PhonicUK | who had a prototype? |
| 16:24.58 | lcuk | liqflow does other things than sitting like that |
| 16:25.01 | lcuk | its very touchable |
| 16:25.07 | lcuk | copumpkin, for doing what? |
| 16:25.12 | lcuk | liqflow itself or the accelerometer |
| 16:25.21 | copumpkin | getting higher sampling rates from the accelerometer and having CPU cycles left over |
| 16:25.25 | PhonicUK | i wonder if i'd get a faster response from the Qt guys by using my nokia internal email address... |
| 16:25.31 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers |
| 16:25.39 | lcuk | smoothed code i use in liqbase (and liqflow) is there |
| 16:25.48 | copumpkin | oh, you made it :) |
| 16:25.51 | copumpkin | looks very nice |
| 16:25.52 | lcuk | yeah |
| 16:25.53 | lcuk | :) |
| 16:26.22 | LuciusMare | Doe anybody here use the nokia map loader with n900? |
| 16:26.32 | corecode_ | does that even work? |
| 16:26.43 | corecode_ | oh do we have 1.2 yet? |
| 16:26.46 | nid0 | sometimes it works okay for some people |
| 16:26.48 | nid0 | mostly not |
| 16:26.59 | corecode_ | LuciusMare: just download the zip files and extract them |
| 16:27.10 | LuciusMare | corecode_: what zip files? |
| 16:27.49 | lcuk | links to maps for different countries > http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html |
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| 16:28.16 | corecode_ | yes yes that one |
| 16:28.28 | corecode_ | but it doesn't contain everything |
| 16:28.38 | corecode_ | sometimes there is just a hole in the map |
| 16:28.44 | corecode_ | and you need internet to fill it up |
| 16:28.46 | PhonicUK | im off home all, later |
| 16:29.03 | lcuk | corecode_, o_O |
| 16:29.24 | corecode_ | lcuk: yes, try going offline and look around the dijon area in france |
| 16:29.39 | lcuk | you paying for tickets? |
| 16:29.44 | lcuk | i wouldnt knwo what im missing otherwise |
| 16:29.56 | corecode_ | no, on the map you dummy :) |
| 16:30.09 | lcuk | well i havent downloaded france |
| 16:30.13 | corecode_ | ah |
| 16:30.14 | lcuk | so maps will show a big hole! |
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| 16:30.24 | corecode_ | well i downloaded the world[tm] |
| 16:30.30 | lcuk | old gps app used to show unknown countries as water |
| 16:30.36 | corecode_ | hehe |
| 16:30.39 | lcuk | downloading the world is very low resolution |
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| 16:30.44 | lcuk | and will not fit on 32g |
| 16:30.50 | corecode_ | huh? |
| 16:31.07 | lcuk | to download the world at street level precision would be an immense download |
| 16:31.12 | lcuk | you need to download regional maps |
| 16:31.17 | lcuk | for high resolution |
| 16:31.18 | corecode_ | you mean the "entire continent" is less precise that the separate country maps? |
| 16:31.23 | lcuk | no wonder its still using internet for oyu |
| 16:31.28 | lcuk | yes |
| 16:31.33 | lcuk | for space reasons |
| 16:31.37 | lcuk | think like a fractal |
| 16:31.47 | lcuk | lots of detail as you zoom in |
| 16:31.53 | corecode_ | sure |
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| 16:32.04 | corecode_ | but the continent zip file is already 1gb |
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| 16:32.16 | lcuk | sure, the continent is big! |
| 16:32.24 | lcuk | think of it like a paper map |
| 16:32.29 | lcuk | get an a-z one |
| 16:32.34 | lcuk | for your town |
| 16:32.36 | corecode_ | that was not clear from the description |
| 16:32.46 | lcuk | and think how big the book would need to be for your country |
| 16:32.56 | lcuk | then think how big the book would need to be for your continent! |
| 16:33.40 | corecode_ | alright then |
| 16:33.44 | corecode_ | downloading the rest as well |
| 16:36.52 | ToJa92 | are there any good sketching apps for the N900? Besides the default one, that is. The two features I'm looking for is being able to resize on a pixel basis, multiple undo levels and when you draw something off screen it should scroll so you can continue to draw.. |
| 16:36.59 | ToJa92 | three* |
| 16:39.27 | corecode_ | Xournal? |
| 16:40.41 | ToJa92 | [corecode_]: I'll have a look at it |
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| 16:40.57 | dmj726 | ToJa92: How about myaint? |
| 16:41.03 | dmj726 | mypaint |
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| 16:41.17 | ToJa92 | I'll test em' both then |
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| 16:43.10 | ToJa92 | mypaint isn't found :( |
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| 16:44.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | lcuk: (60Hz) iirc lis302 has 100 and 400s/s. At least 2 fixed values. And accel-driver usually should not poll lis302 at all, rather the best practice is to set IRQ triggers correctly (relative mode and low threshold usually) and then wait for a hw interrupt signaling any change in acceleration readings |
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| 16:45.09 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer-8, it probably does |
| 16:45.20 | lcuk | but since i can read it when i need i didnt concern with that |
| 16:45.26 | lcuk | as fast as possible was enough |
| 16:46.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | aah, k |
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| 16:54.26 | corecode_ | lcuk: not true wrt maps |
| 16:54.37 | corecode_ | lcuk: i just downloaded all regional german maps |
| 16:54.45 | corecode_ | lcuk: and the big german one |
| 16:54.54 | corecode_ | lcuk: extracted they have the same size |
| 16:55.34 | corecode_ | although... |
| 16:55.39 | corecode_ | some files are different |
| 16:55.54 | corecode_ | and the regional ones contain some files the big one doesn' |
| 16:55.56 | corecode_ | t |
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| 16:58.21 | MohammadAG | seriously, why doesn't IL have maps |
| 16:59.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | points to tangogps with its highly intuitive map downloader |
| 16:59.15 | corecode_ | bomb threats! |
| 16:59.29 | MohammadAG | lol IL isn't that bad... |
| 17:00.09 | MohammadAG | got stopped by a soldier, he wanted an ID, told him I didn't have it on me, problem solved :) |
| 17:01.33 | dmj726 | ToJa92: Mypaint is in another repo right now. |
| 17:01.49 | dmj726 | search for mypaint on talk.maemo.org |
| 17:04.18 | Arkenoi | is there a way to tie a script to events "charger plugged in" and "charger plugged out"? |
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| 17:06.16 | sECuRE | Arkenoi: have you checked if there is a corresponding dbus event? iâd think so |
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| 17:07.37 | ToJa92 | [dmj726]: Oh. |
| 17:07.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Arkenoi: check 'python dbus scripting' |
| 17:08.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Arkenoi: (it's a pkg) |
| 17:08.53 | sECuRE | where can i get some documentation about python-alarm? like a list of all available functions? |
| 17:08.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | with gui even |
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| 17:09.04 | sECuRE | or am i supposed to guess their names based on the reference documentation of libalarm? |
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| 17:09.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sECuRE: check alarmed pkg |
| 17:11.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sECuRE: python iirc, nice gui, and a highly usefull app on top of it |
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| 17:12.39 | Khertan_n900 | Hi again |
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| 17:13.06 | Khertan_n900 | Does there is some docs about qt and autorotation ? |
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| 17:14.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Khertan_n900: nothing in wiki? |
| 17:14.43 | andre__ | Khertan_n900, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-rotation.html ? |
| 17:14.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | oe on trolltech.foo |
| 17:15.10 | Khertan_n900 | Thx ... |
| 17:15.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | aah, s/trolltech/nokia/ of course |
| 17:15.28 | Khertan_n900 | hum 4.6 not available yet so |
| 17:17.06 | frals | gotta love living in sweden.. snowing like crazy outside |
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| 17:18.02 | lcuk | frals, i saw your post earlier |
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| 17:18.11 | lcuk | shocking of course |
| 17:18.45 | frals | :) |
| 17:19.08 | Khertan_n900 | hum next time i should be more precise ... and any documentation for PyQt ? |
| 17:19.08 | frals | fixed the config dialog not showing up if settings are filled in now and also changed to a picker on image resize |
| 17:19.35 | frals | need to see if i can get the other stuff fixed without breaking anything as well |
| 17:20.12 | lcuk | \o/ |
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| 17:26.01 | copumpkin | lcuk: is your liqflow source available? |
| 17:26.11 | lcuk | apt-get source liqflow |
| 17:26.17 | lcuk | or github.com/lcuk |
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| 17:26.23 | copumpkin | aha, nice |
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| 17:26.34 | C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer-8: i like the 8 |
| 17:26.52 | C-S-B-N900 | are you rolling the advanced kernel? |
| 17:26.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | :-) |
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| 17:27.08 | MohammadAG | heard something about kernels |
| 17:27.25 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 17:27.49 | C-S-B-N900 | i eat kernels for breakfast. |
| 17:28.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | C-S-B-N900: ehh? advanced kernel? |
| 17:28.24 | Wolfie | or simply wheat kernels? |
| 17:28.36 | C-S-B-N900 | yeah, with overclocking tunnels etc... |
| 17:28.42 | C-S-B-N900 | in the repo |
| 17:28.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | bah |
| 17:29.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | /version me! |
| 17:29.15 | MohammadAG | popped kernels ftw :P |
| 17:29.23 | C-S-B-N900 | i stuck all the megadrive and snes roms on my phone earlier. :) |
| 17:29.46 | nid0 | brain party works properly now \o/ |
| 17:29.47 | MohammadAG | 8=N8x0? |
| 17:29.50 | C-S-B-N900 | 2.8.4 Linux 2.6.21-omap1 [armv6l] |
| 17:29.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | N810 |
| 17:30.04 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 17:30.24 | C-S-B-N900 | nid0: is that the tuxradar game? |
| 17:30.40 | nid0 | no, its a load of puzzles, basically |
| 17:30.44 | MohammadAG | doesn't have to do with tux |
| 17:30.48 | nid0 | really really well designed though |
| 17:31.05 | MohammadAG | it's like Brain Challenge btw (PSP/PS3/N-Gage etc...) |
| 17:31.06 | C-S-B-N900 | nid0: i thought one of the guys from linux format wrote it |
| 17:31.14 | C-S-B-N900 | paul hudson... |
| 17:31.16 | C-S-B-N900 | i think |
| 17:31.19 | nid0 | yeah he did |
| 17:31.32 | C-S-B-N900 | well he does tuxradar |
| 17:31.35 | C-S-B-N900 | ergo |
| 17:31.38 | C-S-B-N900 | nid0: is that the tuxradar game? |
| 17:31.59 | C-S-B-N900 | :p |
| 17:32.26 | nid0 | in which case I change my answer to yes. first time you said it I read as far as tux and assumed you meant tuxracer |
| 17:32.47 | C-S-B-N900 | its ok nid0, theres no beef. |
| 17:32.54 | C-S-B-N900 | is it in the repo? |
| 17:32.55 | nid0 | beef's nice tho :( |
| 17:32.59 | MohammadAG | grr TypeError: GtkAboutDialog.set_version() argument 1 must be string or None, not module |
| 17:33.00 | nid0 | its in -testing atm |
| 17:33.12 | nid0 | go test it and vote, will be really nice to see it get to extras asap |
| 17:33.22 | C-S-B-N900 | who ported it? |
| 17:33.25 | nid0 | thp |
| 17:33.42 | C-S-B-N900 | i dont know him. |
| 17:33.47 | C-S-B-N900 | :/ |
| 17:33.54 | nid0 | hudzilla's been helping him though, he made a few changes to the original code and is now taking thp's ported code and merging it back upstream to his own |
| 17:34.06 | nid0 | so his will now compile fine directly on just about anything |
| 17:34.30 | _Lucretia_ | which cortex revision is in the n900? |
| 17:34.39 | C-S-B-N900 | a8 |
| 17:34.45 | _Lucretia_ | er yeah |
| 17:35.09 | _Lucretia_ | is looking at the arm site for manuals, there seems to be 8 revisions of the A8 |
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| 17:35.20 | C-S-B-N900 | sorry! |
| 17:35.23 | _Lucretia_ | r1p1, r2p0, etc |
| 17:35.56 | C-S-B-N900 | couldnt the phone theorectically have any of them, if they are in the same package. |
| 17:36.19 | _Lucretia_ | yeah, i spose, but then there shouldn't really be different manuals for them |
| 17:36.55 | _Lucretia_ | as they look like they have same but may have different added features too |
| 17:37.29 | _Lucretia_ | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.subset.swdev.abi/index.html |
| 17:37.54 | _Lucretia_ | ah it's ok, the other manuals are superceded |
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| 17:39.18 | C-S_B-N900 | great, i have a zombie |
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| 17:41.01 | FredrIQ | is there some way to record? :P |
| 17:41.32 | FredrIQ | not an important feature for me, but would be useful atm |
| 17:41.37 | SpeedEvil | record what? |
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| 17:41.59 | FredrIQ | sound |
| 17:42.06 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:42.11 | FredrIQ | yay |
| 17:42.13 | FredrIQ | where? |
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| 17:42.17 | SpeedEvil | there is a sound recorder widget in the repos somewhere |
| 17:42.21 | SpeedEvil | I forget the name |
| 17:42.28 | FIQ | == FredrIQ |
| 17:42.30 | FIQ | ah, ok |
| 17:42.53 | MohammadAG | recaller? |
| 17:43.02 | MohammadAG | or recorder for voice recording |
| 17:43.48 | FIQ | (19:43:03) (MohammadAG) or recorder for voice recording |
| 17:43.56 | FIQ | that one |
| 17:44.11 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 17:44.34 | MohammadAG | it's kind of weird that I hit End instead of answer today |
| 17:44.44 | MohammadAG | got attracted to the big red button |
| 17:44.49 | FIQ | lol |
| 17:45.31 | LuciusMare|away | haha |
| 17:45.32 | nid0 | recaller will also work for voice recording as well |
| 17:45.48 | LuciusMare_ | "oooh, shiny, red button..." *rejects call* |
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| 17:47.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | WAAAAAAAA |
| 17:47.23 | LuciusMare_ | DocScrutinizer seems to be fan of Metallica |
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| 17:47.33 | mece | Metallica how? |
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| 17:47.46 | mece | noticed his metal detector went off ;) |
| 17:47.50 | LuciusMare_ | :P |
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| 17:48.25 | LuciusMare_ | Hm, I wonder, are there somewhere the original files for icons? I mean, for example osso xterm svg... |
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| 17:49.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | suspend to disk -> Wlan dies. Switch off wlan hard, rmmod ath5k, enable wlan, modprobe ath5k -> wlan resurrects but same moment kmixer dies. Then 10 minutes later kde session gets closed unadvertedly |
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| 17:50.36 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 17:51.02 | MohammadAG | moo RST38h |
| 17:51.04 | lcuk | baaaaa RST38h |
| 17:51.09 | LuciusMare_ | woof RST38h |
| 17:51.17 | FIQ | RST38h |
| 17:51.18 | mece | growl RST38h |
| 17:51.20 | RST38h | how are things? pr1.2? =) |
| 17:51.23 | FIQ | where is the confirm on exit buttom? :D |
| 17:51.29 | FIQ | no |
| 17:51.30 | LuciusMare_ | exit bottom? |
| 17:51.31 | lcuk | "#maemo users : completely normal" |
| 17:51.34 | FIQ | er |
| 17:51.36 | FIQ | button* |
| 17:51.37 | MohammadAG | RST38h, you just pinged half the channel |
| 17:51.44 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 17:52.04 | FIQ | in xchat i mean |
| 17:52.10 | RST38h | lcuk: "assorted nuts" |
| 17:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | meegow RST38h |
| 17:52.24 | RST38h | What is confirm on exit? |
| 17:52.31 | RST38h | How should it look? |
| 17:52.46 | FIQ | uh |
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| 17:53.20 | FIQ | a dialog appearing if you tries to exit xchat asking if you're sure |
| 17:53.43 | FIQ | it exists for desktop version, don't find it in preferences |
| 17:53.47 | LuciusMare_ | would need that with xterm |
| 17:53.48 | MohammadAG | FIQ, you removed it |
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| 17:53.56 | FIQ | aw |
| 17:53.57 | MohammadAG | "Don't ask next time" |
| 17:54.01 | FIQ | how to reset it? |
| 17:54.04 | MohammadAG | purge and reinstall |
| 17:54.07 | FIQ | i'm pretty sure i didn't |
| 17:54.16 | FIQ | uhm |
| 17:54.27 | FIQ | isn't there an easier way...? |
| 17:54.51 | MohammadAG | not sure |
| 17:54.59 | MohammadAG | FIQ, type /set |
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| 17:55.06 | LuciusMare_ | of course there |
| 17:55.10 | LuciusMare_ | of course there is, just reflash |
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| 17:57.55 | RST38h | FIQ: I personally have no need for such a dialog. |
| 17:58.09 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yes eventually a kernel module would be sane |
| 17:58.15 | RST38h | If I say "close", I mean "close, don't give me crap" |
| 17:58.23 | RST38h | After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "sexy apps," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not... |
| 17:58.25 | RST38h | ...going to go there." |
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| 17:58.43 | ShadowJK | but right now I don't want a kernel module that reserves these resources and tells the nokia.com bme to fuck off |
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| 17:59.13 | derf | watches everyone on the internet abandon Apple for Android. |
| 17:59.19 | RST38h | Yep |
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| 17:59.44 | RST38h | Porn! El Jobso promised porn on Android! He is God, so he is always right! |
| 18:00.05 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: 0:47 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvRGh2NEjSU |
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| 18:00.16 | nid0 | porn apps for maemo are overdue, thatll get the download numbers looking healthy |
| 18:00.28 | mece | it came with a porn app! |
| 18:00.37 | LuciusMare_ | mece: cat you mean? |
| 18:00.41 | nid0 | a more dedicated one than the browser. |
| 18:00.44 | mece | MicroB |
| 18:00.45 | lcuk | i misread that as a porn map |
| 18:01.12 | lcuk | and wondered what the hotspots would be marked as |
| 18:01.21 | aSIMULAtor | http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/ |
| 18:01.21 | MiXu- | I'm especially looking forward to seeing an boob-app that responds to touch and accelerometer. |
| 18:01.23 | aSIMULAtor | for anyone interested |
| 18:01.24 | LuciusMare_ | haha,er. |
| 18:01.25 | mece | so liek a redtube app or something? |
| 18:01.30 | RST38h | If you mean Ovi Maps on Maemo, that is more like S&M app |
| 18:01.32 | aSIMULAtor | solar dynamics observatory opens in 15 mins |
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| 18:01.48 | lcuk | :D aSIMULAtor cool |
| 18:01.55 | SpeedEvil | I'd love an app to tell me about iridium flares |
| 18:01.56 | lcuk | did you see last nights discussion about fmms btw? |
| 18:02.00 | aSIMULAtor | no |
| 18:02.33 | lcuk | in #maemo-ui - theres a pretty indepth discussion in your scrollback |
| 18:02.59 | lcuk | failing that its been logged |
| 18:03.06 | MiXu- | What's #maemo-ui for? |
| 18:03.26 | lcuk | ui/ux related things |
| 18:03.32 | aSIMULAtor | layout help etc |
| 18:03.46 | MiXu- | It's a dev-channel then? |
| 18:04.02 | lcuk | yes - but not code dev |
| 18:04.05 | lcuk | interface dev |
| 18:04.20 | MiXu- | got it |
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| 18:07.34 | naxu | is fmms user friendly nowadays? |
| 18:07.59 | naxu | or does it still need manual AP fiddling? |
| 18:08.05 | mece | frals, this guy *points at naxu* wants to know if fmms is user friendly! |
| 18:08.13 | lcuk | naxu, frals is, theres some sharp bits if it doesnt go according to plan that we are ironing it out |
| 18:08.31 | mece | Ironing it with a mallet |
| 18:08.37 | lcuk | not at all :) |
| 18:08.44 | naxu | I read that "not quite yet" :) |
| 18:08.45 | mece | a sledgehammer? |
| 18:08.50 | lcuk | frals has done rock solid work - just streamlining it |
| 18:09.24 | frals | naxu: you still need to find the settings and input them yourself im afraid... but im working on that ;) or rather, *we* are working on that |
| 18:09.45 | naxu | it handles image downscale when sending? |
| 18:09.50 | frals | yes |
| 18:09.59 | naxu | to 100kb or 300kb? |
| 18:10.13 | frals | to whatever the user has set resize width to in pixels |
| 18:10.21 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, amusingly it seems several userspace apps can access same dev on i2c simultaneously... or then I've just been lucky and never had bme and bq*.sh clash so far :) |
| 18:10.24 | MohammadAG | frals, I think orange crippled my mms reception, sending to other operators works |
| 18:10.24 | RST38h | lcuk: Any idea on whether we will ever have file transfers, ignore lists, and other advanced features in messaging? |
| 18:10.26 | mece | frals is full of awesome and win! |
| 18:10.29 | ShadowJK | runs it continously |
| 18:10.46 | lcuk | frals, "i" was better :) YOU ar ethe one whos done the hard work, we are merely suggesting things |
| 18:11.04 | frals | MohammadAG: weird, give em a call and yell ;) |
| 18:11.05 | naxu | frals: so user needs to know what image resolution fits in mms limits? |
| 18:11.18 | frals | naxu: it defaults to 240 which *SHOULD* work for everyone |
| 18:11.24 | MohammadAG | frals, I need a hebrew for dummies book |
| 18:11.28 | frals | but not all operators limit the size to 300k |
| 18:11.36 | frals | mine eg doesnt give a shit what size i send it in |
| 18:11.37 | naxu | frals: yeah, it depends on operator |
| 18:11.48 | frals | but if the other handset cant handle it it never gets there |
| 18:11.55 | lcuk | RST38h, unknown by me, not an area i am personally concerned about - sms wouldnt support them anyway |
| 18:12.02 | frals | i sent myself a 5mpix picture by mistake - arrived flawlessly on my other device |
| 18:12.07 | frals | granted it took a while to dl it |
| 18:12.14 | MohammadAG | frals, doesn't mms support file sending now? |
| 18:12.15 | naxu | frals: operator downsamples images if receiving end doesn't know how to open big ones |
| 18:12.16 | RST38h | lcuk: Oh |
| 18:12.24 | frals | naxu: not all does |
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| 18:12.36 | naxu | frals: yeah might be |
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| 18:12.49 | frals | naxu: believe me, i've done some testing on the subject :-) |
| 18:13.01 | naxu | frals: me too :) .. how about receiving? |
| 18:13.26 | frals | what about it? |
| 18:13.38 | naxu | it handles it automatically? |
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| 18:13.48 | frals | as long as settings are good yes |
| 18:14.05 | naxu | nice |
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| 18:15.22 | MohammadAG | http://i39.tinypic.com/a40ois.jpg xD |
| 18:16.55 | lcuk | MohammadAG, how did you manage such a thing |
| 18:18.08 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm not sure, prolly cause of attaching a laser to the back |
| 18:18.20 | lcuk | nods |
| 18:18.27 | lcuk | ok, bug 9994 just got created |
| 18:18.29 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9994 objdump segfaults when specifying a binary BFD |
| 18:18.37 | lcuk | that means that sometime in next 24h someone will get 10k |
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| 18:18.51 | lcuk | i hope its a good one \o/ |
| 18:19.00 | lcuk | one we can close easily lol |
| 18:19.47 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 18:19.48 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:20.27 | Xisdibik | anyone here played freeciv on the n900? |
| 18:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: either I2Ctools and bme lock the device, so bme / tools gets EAGAIN. Or you actually just were lucky. Well, a collision isn't *that* easy to spot either. Results highly unpredictable but odds are it will go unnoticed |
| 18:21.21 | hrw | re |
| 18:21.26 | RST38h | A radical Islamic website is warning the creators of South Park that they could face violent retribution for depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode broadcast on Comedy Central last week. |
| 18:21.34 | hrw | Xisdibik: freeciv on 800x480? must be hard |
| 18:21.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: which is -really- funny considering the episode itself |
| 18:21.48 | mece | hrw, perfectly playable., |
| 18:21.59 | mece | hrw, at year 2050 on mine. |
| 18:22.22 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, bme keeps it open all the time btw :) |
| 18:22.42 | ShadowJK | it does a few accesses per minute, atleast when on charger, iirc |
| 18:22.50 | Xisdibik | hrw: thats what id assume, thats why i wanted to ask |
| 18:22.52 | hrw | mece: I played civ1 on 640x256, then freeciv on 1154x864, then on 1680x1050. so for me 800x480/n900 is too small |
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| 18:22.56 | Xisdibik | mece: can you screen shot the gameplay? |
| 18:23.05 | mece | sure.. |
| 18:23.08 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I mean, if these towelheads actually pull it, they will deserve a solid 7/10 in my book, 8/10 if they blow the whole studio |
| 18:23.14 | Xisdibik | mece: thanks :) |
| 18:23.15 | mece | holdup |
| 18:23.27 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: what if they kill kenny? |
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| 18:23.33 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I haven't been able to snoop bme <-> bq* traffic :( |
| 18:23.39 | Xisdibik | then they are bastards SpeedEvil |
| 18:23.45 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: stub out the i2c libraries? |
| 18:23.45 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Plagiarism is not to be rewarded! |
| 18:23.58 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 18:24.09 | ShadowJK | that's actually what I began with, heh. using gdb to dump core and then trying to find the i2c comm buffer |
| 18:24.17 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, hm? |
| 18:24.37 | Stskeeps | well, the i2c calls |
| 18:24.44 | Stskeeps | like, ltrace and friends |
| 18:24.51 | PhonicUK | its time to update maemo :\ |
| 18:25.01 | PhonicUK | any advice (other than backup) before i do? |
| 18:25.10 | hrw | PhonicUK: update to what? |
| 18:25.23 | PhonicUK | dunno, but theres a update recently become available |
| 18:25.27 | PhonicUK | noticed it on my way home |
| 18:25.56 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, oh, the i2c "library" is a .h file consisting mostly of #define i2c_read(x, y, z) ioctl(x, 0x720, *y, *z) kinda things |
| 18:26.05 | hrw | PhonicUK: if system update then do backup and then update |
| 18:26.13 | hrw | PhonicUK: if apps update then just update |
| 18:26.23 | PhonicUK | its a system update, it told me it has to be done through pc suite |
| 18:26.29 | PhonicUK | will it backup my home directory? |
| 18:26.37 | hrw | it lies about pc suite |
| 18:26.43 | PhonicUK | oh? |
| 18:26.51 | PhonicUK | apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:27.33 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, so I guess LD_PRELOAD would be feasible, but then reboot-loop hits if I get it wrong |
| 18:27.37 | hrw | no - use hildon-app-manager |
| 18:28.01 | PhonicUK | the normal application manager? |
| 18:28.16 | hrw | yep |
| 18:28.23 | PhonicUK | it wouldn't let me |
| 18:28.48 | ShadowJK | or find a way for gdb to dump core right before and right after the relevant ioctl, since bme seems to keep the paramters/bfuffer on the stack, which gets destroyed when it goes back to whatever :/ |
| 18:29.27 | hrw | PhonicUK: strange - allowed me.. sorry then no help from me |
| 18:29.59 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: there is a way to get it to boot into another OS - hold down a key - I forget - and it runs a script |
| 18:30.20 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: copy / to /sd - piviot_root, viola |
| 18:31.00 | PhonicUK | anyone know if the Quake II port uses OpenGL ES |
| 18:31.05 | PhonicUK | or if its a software renderer |
| 18:31.16 | mece | well, is it fast? I haven't tried it. |
| 18:31.28 | PhonicUK | i havent tried yet either xD |
| 18:31.43 | PhonicUK | its more about the quality of the visuals than speed anyway |
| 18:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: well I thought more of just polling whole bq24150 reg set on a regular schedule, and then simply deduce what bme told to bq25150 |
| 18:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-21 20:24:49] <PhonicUK> its time to update maemo :\ --- o.O |
| 18:34.07 | PhonicUK | yah |
| 18:34.20 | PhonicUK | apparently theres a maemo system update, and it insists on using PC Suite to do it |
| 18:34.29 | Milo- | you better not be kidding ._· |
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| 18:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 18:34.40 | PhonicUK | im not |
| 18:34.44 | frals | haha |
| 18:34.52 | frals | so UK is getting 1.1.1 then? ;) |
| 18:34.52 | Milo- | I don't have a pcsuite :( |
| 18:35.05 | hrw | PhonicUK: to 3.2010.02? |
| 18:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | even UK 1.1.1 is weeks ago |
| 18:35.22 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's annoying that you can't write the bq22 registers to reflect the real 'off' voltages - so it could learn |
| 18:35.25 | lcuk | depends if you just recently flashed an image |
| 18:35.30 | lcuk | and if that image needs updating |
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| 18:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 27200? |
| 18:36.21 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 18:36.40 | VDVsx | yawns :0 |
| 18:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | well, you need a learncycle aka battery complete drain |
| 18:36.52 | PhonicUK | I'm currently on 3.2.2010.02-8.203.1 |
| 18:37.04 | PhonicUK | brb desktop restart |
| 18:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | away for schweinebraten. bbl |
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| 18:37.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - which the normal software won't do - as it powers off well before the thresholds programmed into chip |
| 18:37.46 | SpeedEvil | (at least for me) |
| 18:37.52 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: has yours ever learned?> |
| 18:37.56 | PhonicUK | on phone while waiting for reboot |
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| 18:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: then we either need a bat-conditioner app as seen on many laptops. Or we need a reprogramming of 27200 eeprom :-S |
| 18:38.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: which needs a 27v vpp pulse |
| 18:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 18:41.02 | PhonicUK | Update: 3.2010.03.0 |
| 18:41.05 | PhonicUK | wtf |
| 18:41.28 | lcuk | PhonicUK, did you diddle with your packages and remove something you shouldnt have |
| 18:41.32 | PhonicUK | nope |
| 18:41.37 | LuciusMare_ | Hi, i have got there a problem with the shell: "ash /bin/ls" = "/bin/ls: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")", and "bash /bin/ls" = "ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file" |
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| 18:42.25 | PhonicUK | LuciusMare_, whats the line you're trying to run? |
| 18:42.42 | LuciusMare_ | "ash /bin/ls" and "bash /bin/ls" |
| 18:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | 's temped to frisbee his esprimo. Last week got a new fan (20EUR, real bargain), today HDD starts shooting my ears with ultrasonic dangerous level (well, maybe 18KHz) |
| 18:43.55 | PhonicUK | well bash isn't installed by default |
| 18:44.06 | LuciusMare_ | (I have bash installed) |
| 18:44.09 | PhonicUK | ok |
| 18:44.14 | PhonicUK | can you run it on its own? |
| 18:44.18 | mece | sorry who wanted freeciv screenshots? I got caught up in something.. |
| 18:44.51 | LuciusMare_ | PhonicUK: on it's own? Yes. But when i want it to execute another command just right after running (and then exit), it does this |
| 18:45.20 | LuciusMare_ | (And, as a use for this, I want to have a shortcut to root shell, a .desktop file) |
| 18:45.33 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 18:45.40 | noobmonk3y | uk vodafone finally got 1.1.1? |
| 18:46.12 | LuciusMare_ | and apparently, osso-xterm sudo gainroot does not work, so i have to use osso-xterm <shell> sudo gainroot which does not work either... |
| 18:46.55 | hrw | mece: Xisdibik and I |
| 18:46.55 | PhonicUK | didn't realise there where network branded versions of Maemo? |
| 18:47.01 | *** join/#maemo z4chh (~zach@dhcp-128-194-74-177.resnet.tamu.edu) |
| 18:47.01 | noobmonk3y | only that 1 |
| 18:47.12 | noobmonk3y | and not really branded, yet! |
| 18:47.26 | LuciusMare_ | what did they do with the maemo? |
| 18:47.28 | LuciusMare_ | change wallpaper? |
| 18:47.31 | PhonicUK | is on Tmo |
| 18:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare_: this won't work any way |
| 18:47.37 | noobmonk3y | nothing yet |
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| 18:47.44 | LuciusMare_ | DocScrutinizer: aw, why not? |
| 18:47.47 | noobmonk3y | just hold back the poor uk peeps |
| 18:47.52 | mece | hrw, Xisfibik, here: http://twitpic.com/1hc406 |
| 18:48.03 | BCMM | is it possible to stop my phone setting my skype "real name" to my skype username? |
| 18:48.11 | PhonicUK | *cough* debrand *cough* |
| 18:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare_: security considerations should prohibit it |
| 18:48.18 | PhonicUK | BCMM, i would also like to know xD |
| 18:48.25 | hrw | mece: thx |
| 18:48.37 | BCMM | my parents aren't to technical and seem somewhat confused as to who i am when it happens |
| 18:48.41 | BCMM | ^too |
| 18:48.46 | PhonicUK | roffle |
| 18:48.57 | PhonicUK | i think you have to add yourself as a contact |
| 18:48.58 | mece | it's bonkers to look at that pic on my monitor. It's really big :D |
| 18:49.00 | LuciusMare_ | DocScrutinizer: i do not think it is a big security flaw if one can already easily access the root |
| 18:49.03 | PhonicUK | and fill in the "Real Name" field |
| 18:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare_: sudo gainroot is a hack. It's not designed in a way to allow all other brainfuck that's considered "not worse" |
| 18:50.08 | lcuk | collapses in a heap |
| 18:50.18 | lcuk | i need beer infusion |
| 18:50.20 | PhonicUK | 'sudo gainroot' worries me :\ |
| 18:50.25 | frals | lcuk: share the beer! |
| 18:50.29 | PhonicUK | what if some malicious app tried to run it :| |
| 18:51.12 | frals | well .deb (post|pre)(rm|inst) are run as root anyway arent they? :p |
| 18:51.13 | PhonicUK | i wonder if the default SSHd setup is clever enough to not allow incomming connections over the modem and only over WiFi |
| 18:51.26 | LuciusMare_ | PhonicUK: o |
| 18:51.31 | PhonicUK | frals, malicious browser script? |
| 18:51.42 | lcuk | PhonicUK, the default sshd is to not have sshd installed |
| 18:51.47 | PhonicUK | i know :P |
| 18:51.49 | LuciusMare_ | PhonicUK: echo "rm -rf /*"|sudo gainroot == instant disaster |
| 18:52.03 | PhonicUK | i installed sshd though for my convenience :) |
| 18:52.07 | PhonicUK | and development |
| 18:52.11 | LuciusMare_ | (And I hope nobody ever tries to run that) |
| 18:52.18 | lcuk | then put a 255 character password in |
| 18:52.25 | lcuk | or whatever max is |
| 18:52.38 | PhonicUK | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.39 | PhonicUK | works |
| 18:52.40 | lcuk | and maybe setup a routing table thingy |
| 18:52.51 | frals | lcuk: i assume hes worried about the increased traffic over 3g if someone tries to bruteforce him or what not |
| 18:52.54 | PhonicUK | lcuk, im actually going to disable all password authentication over SSH |
| 18:52.54 | lcuk | doesnt the sudo get done after the echo |
| 18:52.59 | lcuk | hence wouldnt deleter |
| 18:53.02 | PhonicUK | and only allow RSA authentication |
| 18:53.08 | lcuk | yeah thats cool too |
| 18:53.12 | LuciusMare_ | DocScrutinizer: so you recommend gaining root, changing password, editing sudoers, and removing "gainroot" ? |
| 18:53.32 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yep, the other day it even completed a learning cycle without shutting down |
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| 18:53.35 | lcuk | frals is right anyway |
| 18:53.50 | lcuk | the act of installing malicious sudo gainroot hacking script is installed as root |
| 18:53.58 | ShadowJK | but I monitored it closely and set offline mode towards the end to keep load, and thus voltage, stable |
| 18:53.59 | PhonicUK | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.08 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yes that's my current plan.. |
| 18:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | I recommend a good book about unix administration, yeah. Prolly such book will quote your procedure somewhere in first chapter |
| 18:54.23 | PhonicUK | isn't there an app somewhere that shows you which apps are the most battery hungry? |
| 18:54.27 | lcuk | so: trusted confirmed apps only from good confirmed repositories |
| 18:54.30 | PhonicUK | CPU time usage * battery decline |
| 18:54.42 | lcuk | how do you split each app apart |
| 18:54.46 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, i started with trying to snoop nut gave up on that |
| 18:54.48 | lcuk | cpu != battery usage |
| 18:54.55 | ShadowJK | (before talking to bq) |
| 18:54.59 | PhonicUK | no but its a good indicator |
| 18:55.00 | LuciusMare_ | DocScrutinizer: i know, but hell i know what happens there, if i am not going to break it by doing so |
| 18:55.19 | PhonicUK | ignoring WiFi/3G/GPS |
| 18:55.49 | PhonicUK | you can also measure data usage by process, and which process is using GPS |
| 18:55.54 | PhonicUK | so you could take those into account |
| 18:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | recommends LuciusMare_ to read about SUID |
| 18:56.10 | *** join/#maemo GuySoft (guy@bzq-79-180-9-104.red.bezeqint.net) |
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| 18:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | and why it won't work for scripts |
| 18:56.43 | MohammadAG | SUID? |
| 18:56.58 | LuciusMare_ | oh, hah. |
| 18:57.01 | LuciusMare_ | i just broke it |
| 18:57.02 | LuciusMare_ | ^^ |
| 18:57.04 | MohammadAG | wants to know why sudo works for him |
| 18:57.11 | PhonicUK | DocScrutinizer, My script ran sudo gainroot and executed a command |
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| 18:57.35 | LuciusMare_ | Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '*' as root on <hostname> |
| 18:57.35 | LuciusMare_ | yay |
| 18:57.36 | PhonicUK | it looked like you where saying a script can't do that |
| 18:57.48 | Xisdibik | mece: i did sorry for late reply |
| 18:58.06 | Xisdibik | mece: im heading off for a n hour tho, or more. have lunch, and then a class |
| 18:58.13 | Xisdibik | mece: so if your around later ill remind u |
| 18:58.13 | mece | Xisdibik, did you get the pic? |
| 18:58.22 | kamui_ | dudes |
| 18:58.23 | Xisdibik | mece: lemme check the logs |
| 18:58.29 | kamui_ | I am in love with this new kernel |
| 18:58.30 | mece | Xisdibik, http://twitpic.com/1hc406 |
| 18:58.34 | PhonicUK | LuciusMare_, what did you try to get that result? |
| 18:58.37 | mece | I misspelt your name ;) |
| 18:58.38 | kamui_ | 850mhz N900 runs perfectly smooth |
| 18:58.52 | PhonicUK | wants to overclock, but doesn't want to void his warranty :( |
| 18:58.55 | PhonicUK | what's a hacker to do |
| 18:58.55 | acidjazz | what kernel |
| 18:58.59 | kamui_ | and I love how it idles down at 250mhz, my battery is great new |
| 18:59.02 | Xisdibik | mece: haha np, thanks for t he pic i might ask u more about it later, gotta run |
| 18:59.02 | kamui_ | now |
| 18:59.03 | frals | and will burst in flames at some point \o/ |
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| 18:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | wants to know if there's any more schweinebraten for dinner over there in the pub |
| 18:59.20 | PhonicUK | i always thought 250mhz was a little high for idling :\ |
| 18:59.21 | PhonicUK | why not lower |
| 18:59.25 | kamui_ | well, if it dies, it dies, its was only 500$, Ill just buy another one. |
| 18:59.30 | LuciusMare_ | PhonicUK: what result? |
| 18:59.33 | kamui_ | chances are a newer maemo device will be out by then :) |
| 18:59.35 | acidjazz | lol |
| 18:59.45 | acidjazz | there will never be a new maemo device |
| 18:59.47 | PhonicUK | <LuciusMare_> Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '*' as root on <hostname> |
| 19:00.01 | LuciusMare_ | yes, i cant do anything anymore as root, i reached it :) |
| 19:00.02 | Kamui | acidjazz, corrected, meego |
| 19:00.12 | PhonicUK | i se |
| 19:00.24 | LuciusMare_ | note reinstalling rootsh fails |
| 19:00.31 | Kamui | anyhoo, PhonicUK unless you're really paranoid, its a night and day difference |
| 19:00.33 | PhonicUK | http://mirror.servut.us/flash/4chan-f/-/zipperroll.swf |
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| 19:00.49 | Kamui | even flash video that was a bit shakey is now smooth |
| 19:00.51 | PhonicUK | Kamui, what is? |
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| 19:01.17 | Kamui | the oc |
| 19:01.19 | Kamui | kernel |
| 19:01.25 | PhonicUK | but i wants my warranty :( |
| 19:01.41 | Kamui | hmm |
| 19:01.56 | Kamui | does the current kernel even idle down the cpu? |
| 19:02.00 | PhonicUK | yes |
| 19:02.04 | PhonicUK | to 250MHz minimum |
| 19:02.10 | PhonicUK | which i always thought was a bit high :\ |
| 19:02.11 | Kamui | there is a lower setting of 125myhz |
| 19:02.14 | Kamui | but it causes issues |
| 19:02.14 | PhonicUK | why not 125 or so |
| 19:02.16 | PhonicUK | oh? |
| 19:02.20 | LuciusMare_ | su root = su: must be suid to work properly |
| 19:02.21 | Kamui | and you can customzie it with this kernel |
| 19:02.21 | LuciusMare_ | what. |
| 19:02.34 | Kamui | successfully runs up to 1.1ghz |
| 19:02.38 | Kamui | though I wouldnt' recommend athat :) |
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| 19:02.50 | Kamui | blender also runs pretty nicely now |
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| 19:03.30 | PhonicUK | nice |
| 19:03.37 | PhonicUK | try http://mirror.servut.us/flash/4chan-f/-/zipperroll.swf overclocked |
| 19:03.55 | PhonicUK | eeh or not |
| 19:03.59 | PhonicUK | it doesnt work ;\ |
| 19:04.00 | lcuk | i remember the THG video showing chips melting and burning without fans on |
| 19:04.05 | PhonicUK | i remember that! |
| 19:04.17 | PhonicUK | P3/P4 and a couple of AMD chips |
| 19:04.24 | lcuk | it was the amd ones |
| 19:04.28 | PhonicUK | they caught fire |
| 19:04.29 | MohammadAG | wow something was causing a memory leak |
| 19:04.33 | lcuk | the p4 underclocked itself nicely |
| 19:04.36 | lcuk | the amd went up in smoke |
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| 19:04.43 | PhonicUK | the P3 underclocked, the P4 hung |
| 19:04.49 | LuciusMare_ | Hm, any ideas how to get out of this situation? |
| 19:05.04 | lcuk | ? LuciusMare_ |
| 19:05.09 | PhonicUK | how can i get flash to capture the 'mouse' cursor? |
| 19:05.15 | PhonicUK | i cant click in this applet |
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| 19:05.27 | frals | enable the mouse cursor and click? |
| 19:05.29 | lcuk | do the ARM chips have similar thermal cutoff |
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| 19:05.43 | lcuk | or would they smoke if you really sent them spinning |
| 19:05.43 | LuciusMare_ | lcuk: i uncommented gainroot in sudoers, and changed user's password in hopes that i wont need to use gainroot anymore, and now i am locked out of root totally: "sorry, user user is not allowed to..." |
| 19:05.44 | PhonicUK | how do you enable the cursor? |
| 19:05.59 | lcuk | ahh well LuciusMare_ |
| 19:06.05 | LuciusMare_ | PhonicUK: slide from left side of the screen |
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| 19:06.20 | LuciusMare_ | lcuk: su root: must be suid |
| 19:06.23 | PhonicUK | aha! |
| 19:06.29 | frals | LuciusMare_: reinstalling rootsh from HAM *MIGHT* revert the config file, if you are lucky :p |
| 19:06.31 | PhonicUK | wow thats slow... |
| 19:06.35 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:06.37 | LuciusMare_ | frals: i am not, it does not work |
| 19:06.42 | PhonicUK | anyone with a OC'd unit care to try that link out? |
| 19:07.08 | LuciusMare_ | I am going to try to get some rootkits... :D |
| 19:07.17 | MohammadAG | just purge it :P |
| 19:07.24 | LuciusMare_ | how, without root? |
| 19:07.32 | MohammadAG | root, purge |
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| 19:07.41 | LuciusMare_ | how, *without root*? |
| 19:07.43 | MohammadAG | you'll still be in a root prompt |
| 19:07.48 | LuciusMare_ | i am not |
| 19:07.52 | MohammadAG | err |
| 19:07.54 | LuciusMare_ | i have no root prompt open |
| 19:07.59 | MohammadAG | ssh to 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:08.03 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 19:08.10 | LuciusMare_ | i have root login disabled |
| 19:08.17 | LuciusMare_ | :< |
| 19:08.21 | MohammadAG | download ssh |
| 19:08.25 | LuciusMare_ | i do have ssh |
| 19:08.28 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 19:08.30 | LuciusMare_ | but i disabled root login in config |
| 19:08.33 | MohammadAG | R&D mode |
| 19:08.36 | LuciusMare_ | pr 1.2 |
| 19:08.42 | MohammadAG | huh |
| 19:08.44 | LuciusMare_ | *pr 1.1 |
| 19:08.54 | MohammadAG | R&D mode, sudo gainroot |
| 19:08.58 | LuciusMare_ | R&D? |
| 19:09.36 | LuciusMare_ | heh |
| 19:09.48 | LuciusMare_ | that will need reflash anyway :P |
| 19:10.36 | LuciusMare_ | hm |
| 19:10.56 | LuciusMare_ | what about running my own repo on my LAN, creating a rescue .deb package which opens xterm with root shell for me? |
| 19:11.06 | BCMM | talking of ssh, do services work in the normal debian way? |
| 19:11.26 | BCMM | i mean, if i want SSH to be off at boot time, how do i set that up? |
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| 19:11.48 | BCMM | (i've installed the status thingy for starting/stopping SSH) |
| 19:12.06 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, no |
| 19:12.08 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: why? |
| 19:12.33 | MohammadAG | it needs flasher, not a reflash |
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| 19:13.02 | LuciusMare_ | so it wont flash my device? |
| 19:13.09 | LuciusMare_ | and can i revert it? |
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| 19:13.30 | MohammadAG | 1 no, 2 yes |
| 19:13.38 | LuciusMare_ | perfect |
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| 19:14.33 | Celesteh | howdy, i want to compile something with a makefile, but make is not in my path. where is it normally? |
| 19:14.55 | noobmonk3y | hmmm can i safely delete most things in /tmp? |
| 19:15.10 | frals | noobmonk3y: /tmp is cleared ond evice reboot |
| 19:15.17 | frals | so most likely |
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| 19:15.19 | noobmonk3y | hmm mmine never seems to be |
| 19:15.26 | noobmonk3y | always same old rubbish |
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| 19:15.35 | frals | well they are probably created on startup ;) |
| 19:15.50 | C-S-B-N900 | enjoying brain party |
| 19:16.12 | noobmonk3y | :P |
| 19:16.32 | C-S-B-N900 | I am a staticion |
| 19:16.35 | Shapeshifter | C-S-B-N900: I cant unlock anyof the secrets |
| 19:16.48 | C-S-B-N900 | urgh, can't spell. |
| 19:17.06 | C-S-B-N900 | Shapeshifter: do you know what triggers an unlock? |
| 19:17.33 | Shapeshifter | "platinum" score, whatever that is. I guess 500. on the forums someone said 450-500 |
| 19:17.58 | Shapeshifter | Also, the more I play baloon blaster, the lower my score gets. I once played extremely fast and well and got 17 points |
| 19:18.01 | Shapeshifter | or fail |
| 19:18.31 | C-S-B-N900 | i thought it was done on weight not scrore... |
| 19:19.03 | Shapeshifter | weight? |
| 19:19.26 | Shapeshifter | in any case, go to "results" and tap on the stars at the bottom |
| 19:19.30 | Shapeshifter | it tells you the triggers |
| 19:21.49 | LuciusMare_ | ooo, so my n900 is in the r&d mode |
| 19:21.49 | LuciusMare_ | now let's see if it helps |
| 19:22.52 | LuciusMare_ | *2001 theme* |
| 19:23.12 | korhojoa | damn. first FIASCO reflash. that is FAST! |
| 19:23.30 | LuciusMare_ | :( |
| 19:23.33 | lcuk | LuciusMare_, if you go wandering off into the jungle iwth your machete you can expect some prickles |
| 19:24.30 | LuciusMare_ | it doesnt help |
| 19:24.44 | MohammadAG | o.o |
| 19:25.36 | LuciusMare_ | sorry, user user is not allowed to execute /usr/bin/gainroot on hostname |
| 19:26.18 | LuciusMare_ | s/bin |
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| 19:26.21 | LuciusMare_ | s/bin/sbin/ |
| 19:26.30 | LuciusMare_ | thanks infobot... |
| 19:26.30 | infobot | LuciusMare_: pas de quoi |
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| 19:26.49 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: any more ideas? |
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| 19:28.12 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, sudo gainroot |
| 19:28.36 | LuciusMare_ | sorry, user user is not allowed to execute /usr/bin/gainroot on hostname |
| 19:28.41 | MohammadAG | sudo su? |
| 19:28.58 | LuciusMare_ | sorry, user user is not allowed to execute /bin/su on hostname |
| 19:29.00 | MohammadAG | u sure it's in R&D mode? |
| 19:29.03 | LuciusMare_ | es |
| 19:29.05 | LuciusMare_ | *yes |
| 19:29.13 | MohammadAG | lock the screen |
| 19:29.16 | MohammadAG | what does the kb do? |
| 19:29.24 | ech0HTPC | wonder if e17/compiz could run decent on the n900 |
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| 19:29.56 | ech0HTPC | is there a way to try out different desktop environments? |
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| 19:30.29 | LuciusMare_ | it is in the rd mode |
| 19:31.22 | LuciusMare_ | it flashes |
| 19:31.44 | LuciusMare_ | which is pretty cool, and i like it, but it flashes also when the keyboard is closed :( |
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| 19:32.22 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, no idea then |
| 19:33.19 | ech0HTPC | can the n900 do a terminal login? and then startx into e17 or even gnome? |
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| 19:33.49 | ShadowJK | ah, off work |
| 19:35.24 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: when I try to uninstall the rootsh package, it tellse me that it cannot be uninstalled |
| 19:35.48 | LuciusMare_ | so by editing the sudoers i probably scerwed it. |
| 19:35.56 | MohammadAG | doesn't rootsh have a broken postrm script? |
| 19:36.04 | LuciusMare_ | i have no idea |
| 19:36.08 | MohammadAG | check the logs |
| 19:36.13 | LuciusMare_ | but it didnt do so untill the r&d |
| 19:36.25 | noobmonk3y | can someone explain to me...... why The PYqt documentation examples are not in python but in C++? (or similar anyway) - http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyQt4/html/qlistwidget.html ?!?! |
| 19:37.08 | frals | noobmonk3y: probably imported and not yet translated |
| 19:37.19 | frals | pymaemo had some of those for a while as well :p |
| 19:37.26 | noobmonk3y | gRrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 19:37.41 | noobmonk3y | :( |
| 19:37.48 | NeXuZ | helloo |
| 19:38.04 | frals | whats the problem? seems pretty straight forward to translate them noobmonk3y :) |
| 19:38.06 | LuciusMare_ | hm, what apps that have influence on system are possible to run with sudo? |
| 19:38.11 | LuciusMare_ | I mean, for example HAM |
| 19:38.16 | frals | theres no real black magic going on from what i can see there atleast |
| 19:38.19 | noobmonk3y | no, just got annoyed it is always in C |
| 19:38.26 | noobmonk3y | not an actual issue with the page |
| 19:38.33 | noobmonk3y | apart from it says PyQT and advertises C |
| 19:38.34 | frals | noobmonk3y: take the hint, change to C ;D |
| 19:38.40 | noobmonk3y | grimaces |
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| 19:39.57 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: can you msg me your sudoers? |
| 19:39.59 | C-S-B-N900 | all languages are pretty much the same. |
| 19:40.13 | C-S-B-N900 | c rules. :) |
| 19:40.13 | noobmonk3y | looks at chinese then at english...... really? |
| 19:40.15 | LuciusMare_ | C-S-B-N900: brainfuck, BASIC, python... |
| 19:40.21 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, how do you plan on editing them? |
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| 19:40.37 | C-S-B-N900 | LuciusMare_: eh? |
| 19:40.41 | MohammadAG | lcuk, got liqflow to get all dots into one dot xD |
| 19:40.48 | LuciusMare_ | i dont, i just want to see if there arent any apps that can be ran under root and can be used to solve my problem |
| 19:40.53 | lcuk | MohammadAG, now, get them apart again ;) |
| 19:40.59 | lcuk | usually its possible |
| 19:41.00 | BCMM | are n900 hardware-related questions offtopic here? |
| 19:41.07 | lcuk | tho sometimes not |
| 19:41.23 | lcuk | BCMM, lots of things are ontopic here :) just ask |
| 19:41.40 | MohammadAG | tries |
| 19:42.18 | NeXuZ | does anyone know why i get the permission denied error when i try to compile a program, at the ./configure command :s |
| 19:42.19 | LuciusMare_ | lcuk, can you do me a favor? |
| 19:42.20 | BCMM | i'm thinking of getting a car charger for my n900, but the nokia DC-10 looks kinda bulky and only powers micro-USB devices |
| 19:42.31 | LuciusMare_ | could you msg me your sudoers? |
| 19:42.33 | BCMM | there are loads of chargers available that just have a USB port on them |
| 19:42.48 | lcuk | nope LuciusMare_ im in a meego meeting atm and my phone is elsewhere |
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| 19:43.07 | BCMM | but they are presumably dumb; will the n900 behave as a low-power USB device since it can't negotiate with them? |
| 19:43.39 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, what's the point |
| 19:43.49 | BCMM | (and therefore charge slowly, if at all) |
| 19:44.05 | sECuRE | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libalarm/ says the source is in the subversion repository dms, subdir alarmd. where can i find that repository? |
| 19:44.11 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: HAM could solve my problems, but i am searching for an easier solution |
| 19:44.11 | MohammadAG | if you can't edit them |
| 19:44.17 | LuciusMare_ | *sigh |
| 19:44.19 | BCMM | hmm i put that kinda long-windedly |
| 19:44.24 | LuciusMare_ | i dont, i just want to see if there arent any apps that can be ran under root and can be used to solve my problem |
| 19:44.27 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, but you can't edit your sudoers |
| 19:44.37 | LuciusMare_ | so what? |
| 19:44.40 | MohammadAG | huh |
| 19:45.02 | LuciusMare_ | You dont understand me, right? |
| 19:45.11 | MohammadAG | no, you're just not making sense :) |
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| 19:45.24 | BCMM | shorter version: will the n900 behave as a low-power (100mA) USB device if i plug it into a completely dumb USB power source? the power source is rated up to 1A (for some reason) |
| 19:45.33 | LuciusMare_ | I *can* run the apps in sudoers under root, but none else, and there is a giant load of apps, and i believe that some of them can be used to get root access |
| 19:45.57 | lcuk | BCMM, not sure if 100ma will give a positive charging result |
| 19:45.59 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, just make a deb package with a postinst script that echos a sudoer file for su |
| 19:45.59 | BCMM | lcuk: yeah, i know |
| 19:46.14 | lcuk | ie undetermined - but if its proper spec usb and the device is certified for it then try it |
| 19:46.18 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: and how would i import it to the n900? |
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| 19:46.42 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, file manager |
| 19:46.45 | BCMM | lcuk: well, i haven't bought the device yet |
| 19:46.59 | lcuk | which the n900? |
| 19:47.03 | LuciusMare_ | you are awesome. |
| 19:47.15 | BCMM | lcuk: i'm worried the n900 will do the technically correct thing and only draw 100mA because the device is not clever enough to be asked nicely before taking more |
| 19:47.49 | lcuk | BCMM, my charger has a usb plug on the end of it |
| 19:48.02 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: short D+ and D- - and you get a USB charger |
| 19:48.05 | lcuk | and it charges faster from the plug than it gets from my laptop |
| 19:48.10 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: that performs to the USB spec |
| 19:48.33 | frals | LuciusMare_: the quick workaround is to rename one of them and replace them with a script doing what you want to be done |
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| 19:48.54 | frals | LuciusMare_: eg restore the sudoers file and reload it - should work i guess? |
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| 19:49.05 | LuciusMare_ | should. |
| 19:49.19 | MohammadAG | frals, he doesn't have root perms to edit the sudoers files |
| 19:49.22 | LuciusMare_ | (I feel kinda weird when i am actually exploiting my own system) |
| 19:49.25 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: but the file maanager has |
| 19:49.26 | MohammadAG | nor update-sudoers |
| 19:49.32 | frals | MohammadAG: he doesnt have to edit the sudoers file |
| 19:49.44 | frals | he needs to rename one of the binaries that are allowed from sudoers.d |
| 19:49.44 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 19:50.05 | MohammadAG | essentially, that's making a deb package :) |
| 19:50.16 | MohammadAG | actually making a deb package is easier :) |
| 19:50.19 | frals | err |
| 19:50.29 | frals | say you got a file in there allowing /usr/bin/bla to run as root |
| 19:50.34 | frals | right nvm |
| 19:50.41 | frals | that is probably owned by root so cant rename it :D |
| 19:51.02 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 19:51.28 | MohammadAG | frals, a postinst script can help |
| 19:51.40 | LuciusMare_ | ah, yes, now i understood frals |
| 19:51.45 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: that's what i am going to do |
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| 19:52.15 | LuciusMare_ | *sigh* |
| 19:52.50 | MohammadAG | echo "user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/su" >> /etc/sudoers.d/su.sudoers |
| 19:52.59 | MohammadAG | then update-sudoers |
| 19:53.13 | LuciusMare_ | i was actually going to try nopasswd: gainroot |
| 19:53.27 | LuciusMare_ | let's do both :) |
| 19:53.35 | MohammadAG | one should be enough |
| 19:53.44 | LuciusMare_ | but, what .deb package? |
| 19:53.45 | MohammadAG | gainroot is sudo su |
| 19:53.52 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, make one... |
| 19:53.56 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: not entirely familiar with USB spec - do you mean there is a dumb, no-negotiation way to tell a device to draw full power? |
| 19:53.58 | sECuRE | are libalarm2 and alarmd actually open-source? they come from the nokia-binaries repository, but in their copyright/readme files they state they are licensed under GPL |
| 19:54.03 | sECuRE | (and i canât find the source) |
| 19:54.11 | nid0 | man |
| 19:54.18 | nid0 | back injuries are not fun :< |
| 19:54.20 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: i have never done anything like this before :< |
| 19:54.35 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: short D+ and D- pins |
| 19:54.41 | BCMM | (well, actually don't know much about USB beyond connecting motherboard headers properly) |
| 19:54.41 | MohammadAG | dh_make |
| 19:54.46 | MohammadAG | make postinst file |
| 19:54.52 | MohammadAG | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:54.57 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: so a device that is supposed to just be a charger probably does that, right? |
| 19:55.04 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:55.13 | SpeedEvil | unless it was made before the standard came about |
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| 19:55.53 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: is that part of the USB standard or the Open Mobile Terminal Platform standard? |
| 19:56.18 | SpeedEvil | https://www.usb.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=14120 |
| 19:56.21 | SpeedEvil | usb standard |
| 19:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: OMAP probably has no thermal auto throttling. And you heard the word 'electromigration', did you? |
| 19:56.54 | BCMM | well, i guess i'll get one of the third-party ones - the nokia one is a bit bulky, and there are 3rd party ones which manage to fit the electronics entirely within the cig lighter plug |
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| 19:57.54 | BCMM | ah! ones advertised as "for the iphone" - which uses a standard charger IIRC |
| 19:58.01 | BCMM | thanks for advice |
| 19:58.18 | sECuRE | for the reference, i finally found the alarmd-sources: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=dsm |
| 20:02.47 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: i am lost, could you please create the package for me? |
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| 20:03.43 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, i'm away from a PC, i'll check if my n900 can do it |
| 20:04.09 | LuciusMare_ | agh |
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| 20:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: there are two standards conforming ways to signal a charger to a gadget: Short D+ and D-. And a more obscure and complicated mode that is using a certain value resistor from USB ID-pin to GND. AFAIK the Nokia charger for N900 is of the simple short-D+- type |
| 20:08.55 | ShadowJK | I don't remember seeing resistor on ID - GND in the USB charging spec :) |
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| 20:09.36 | SpeedEvil | the charger spec only came about moderately receently |
| 20:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: supplement froddlpfrmpft-3.3435.A-foo |
| 20:09.59 | ShadowJK | yeah well, people were doing all sorts of random things before that ;) |
| 20:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | no, ID-R is a USB.org specified way |
| 20:10.49 | ShadowJK | is it in one of these? http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs |
| 20:11.22 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, can you get me a debian/rules file? |
| 20:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: somewhere in OTG |
| 20:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | they even "re"-invented my Y-cable ;-P |
| 20:13.59 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: if i would know what it is... |
| 20:14.26 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, get it from a package like file-roller |
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| 20:14.49 | wizkoder | moin |
| 20:15.12 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: nevermind, thanks |
| 20:15.20 | wizkoder | just installed xchat on the n900. works fine :) |
| 20:15.27 | LuciusMare_ | i think i know... |
| 20:15.36 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, i just need a rules file... |
| 20:16.06 | LuciusMare_ | i do not know what it is... |
| 20:17.38 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/f/file-roller |
| 20:17.47 | MohammadAG | acutally why don't i open that... |
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| 20:20.17 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: this charger standard, does it support higher powers than normal USB? will my phone charge faster on the main charger than on my PC? |
| 20:20.27 | BCMM | ^mains |
| 20:21.24 | korhojoa | yes |
| 20:22.00 | korhojoa | Guys, how much space is there free on the rootfs when fresh flash? |
| 20:22.10 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: how is it going? |
| 20:22.32 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, sec, tar isn't all that fun |
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| 20:22.45 | LuciusMare_ | sure |
| 20:26.08 | korhojoa | a reasonably fresh flash with just a few programs (less than 5mb installed according to the app manager) shows 58M available |
| 20:26.44 | mece | korhojoa, depends on what repositories you have enabled.. |
| 20:26.46 | korhojoa | and apt-get clean just somehow magically made 100kb dissappear |
| 20:26.47 | ShadowJK | has 56M available, never reflashed, a dozen or so programs installed |
| 20:26.57 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 20:27.01 | korhojoa | the repos take up that much space? |
| 20:27.04 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: so? |
| 20:27.08 | MohammadAG | which package is dpkg-buildpackage in? |
| 20:27.10 | mece | testing+ devel is almost 20Mb |
| 20:27.15 | LuciusMare_ | i have no idea |
| 20:27.19 | MohammadAG | build-essentials? |
| 20:27.20 | korhojoa | aand devel is gone! |
| 20:27.26 | MohammadAG | asking everyone not you :P |
| 20:28.25 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: is this the last step? |
| 20:28.30 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 20:28.44 | LuciusMare_ | tar it all up and upload it, i'll do it myself on my machine |
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| 20:33.46 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: where are you uploading it? |
| 20:34.09 | MohammadAG | meh failed |
| 20:34.13 | LuciusMare_ | what? |
| 20:34.16 | MohammadAG | busybox sucks |
| 20:34.24 | LuciusMare_ | it does, so? |
| 20:35.10 | MohammadAG | tar failed |
| 20:35.14 | mece | MohammadAG, dpkg-dev I think btw. |
| 20:35.25 | MohammadAG | mece, yeah using that (-deb) |
| 20:35.44 | mece | tar -czf <directory> works |
| 20:35.47 | MohammadAG | dpkg-deb: subprocess tar -cf returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:35.53 | mece | try z |
| 20:36.04 | mece | oh right. |
| 20:36.17 | mece | tar on maemo needs more magic than tar in other places for some reason. |
| 20:36.22 | mece | different magic |
| 20:37.05 | LuciusMare_ | what is wrong? |
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| 20:37.43 | dima202 | esbox is such a pain in the ass.. couldn't you guys use something simpler? |
| 20:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_1.zip batt_charging_1_1_FINAL.pdf page.20 |
| 20:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | 3.9 |
| 20:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | Resistive Detection Mechanism |
| 20:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | For legacy Portable Devices that do not have the charger detection mechanism described in the previous |
| 20:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | sections, it is possible to use resistors to detect the presence of a Dedicated Charging Port. However, |
| 20:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | detection mechanisms using resistors are not recommended for new designs, for the following reasons: |
| 20:39.22 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 20:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | oops, sorry, 2 lines more than expected |
| 20:39.39 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, switching to pc |
| 20:39.42 | MohammadAG | buh bye |
| 20:39.51 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: are you coming back? :P |
| 20:39.56 | MohammadAG | ye |
| 20:40.02 | LuciusMare_ | ^^ |
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| 20:40.31 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: like a boomerang :P |
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| 20:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: damn, if you need to lookup 5 of their documents a day, you probably won't get done anything really productive |
| 20:41.27 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 20:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | 30 minutes for that shit |
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| 20:42.43 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: so where are you putting it? |
| 20:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | and I had an idea for what to search |
| 20:43.24 | LuciusMare_ | Sorry for being impatient |
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| 20:43.55 | Macer | ok |
| 20:43.57 | Macer | got my n900 |
| 20:44.09 | Macer | now to figure out how to get it to swap over to portrait mode upon rotating it |
| 20:44.11 | Macer | :/ |
| 20:45.15 | ShadowJK | uh. |
| 20:45.31 | mece | omg packaging makes me want to kill myself! |
| 20:45.34 | mece | Arrgh! |
| 20:45.56 | dima202 | :) grats mece |
| 20:45.58 | mece | all the guides make assumptions that don't match my source. |
| 20:46.02 | dima202 | i got my n900 just 6 days ago |
| 20:46.31 | Macer | ShadowJK: heh |
| 20:46.39 | Macer | i just got it like 10 minutes ago |
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| 20:46.44 | Macer | fedex just dropped it off |
| 20:46.57 | mece | well you'll be pleased to know that Free Heroes 2 works quite nicely, but it's not packaged. |
| 20:47.05 | Macer | free heroes? |
| 20:47.12 | ShadowJK | You did know beforehand that only the phone app works in portrait mode, right |
| 20:47.15 | mece | heroes of might and magic 2 |
| 20:47.22 | Macer | ShadowJK: no :) |
| 20:47.25 | ShadowJK | (and the browser, if you press ctrl-shift-o and close the keyboard and rotate it) |
| 20:47.27 | Macer | hey |
| 20:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: this is a nice one: >>If there is a single failure within a device with a Charging Port, then the output voltage on VBUS shall not exceed VCHG_FAIL. A Portable Device is not required to operate or survive either of these voltages on its VBUS pin. However, these voltages shall not cause a Portable Device to fail in such a way as to harm the user.<< Basically says it's ok for a charger to kill the gadget when charger breaks |
| 20:47.29 | Macer | the dialer is in portrait mode |
| 20:47.29 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, wait a bit |
| 20:47.37 | dima202 | Macer: not only phone app.. there aare a few apps which work in portrait mode |
| 20:47.48 | Macer | dima202: what about the desktop |
| 20:47.54 | Macer | it always stays in landscape? |
| 20:47.59 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it's okay to kill the gadget but not the user? :) |
| 20:48.03 | dima202 | Macer: yeah, for now |
| 20:48.13 | ShadowJK | s/for now// |
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| 20:49.07 | dima202 | ShadowJK: I believe I read somewhere that they are working on desktop in portrait mode. please correct me if im mistaken |
| 20:49.11 | Macer | well... :) |
| 20:49.24 | Macer | hopefully soon.. i just got it so let me mess with it |
| 20:49.34 | ShadowJK | dima202, I haven't heard anyone ever say that |
| 20:49.52 | dima202 | Macer: Don't react to it like a phone.. It's a mini-computer that just so happends to be able to make calls =) |
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| 20:50.15 | dima202 | ShadowJK: I'll try to find that refrence |
| 20:50.19 | Macer | dima202: i know |
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| 20:50.22 | ShadowJK | please do :) |
| 20:50.23 | Macer | i used to have an n810 |
| 20:50.28 | LuciusMare_ | dima202: Waiter! There is a phone in my computer! |
| 20:50.31 | Macer | so i think of it as a faster n810 with a 3G modem ;) |
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| 20:50.50 | mece | Macer, then you'll love it :) |
| 20:51.06 | Macer | let's hope ;) |
| 20:51.25 | dima202 | http://kieters.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/how-to-force-the-nokia-n900-into-native-portrait-mode-guide-screenshots/ |
| 20:51.58 | dima202 | Macer: try this out |
| 20:53.51 | dima202 | Macer: It's not a practical solution though |
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| 20:55.10 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/suenabler_0.1-1_all.deb |
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| 20:55.26 | MohammadAG | not responsible for anything that happens |
| 20:55.38 | dima202 | MohammadAG: without easy chroot appt installed couldn't you just do sudo su? |
| 20:56.11 | MohammadAG | package not tested btw |
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| 20:58.12 | MohammadAG | dima202, not on the N900 |
| 20:58.23 | MohammadAG | <dima202> http://kieters.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/how-to-force-the-nokia-n900-into-native-portrait-mode-guide-screenshots/ |
| 20:58.28 | MohammadAG | <dima202> Macer: try this out |
| 20:58.52 | MohammadAG | it's very sad that people copy what you originally find... |
| 20:59.15 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: i am forever in your debt |
| 20:59.34 | dima202 | MohammadAG: I did add that it's not practical |
| 21:00.06 | MohammadAG | http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/32770-how-use-n900-portrait-mode-glitch.html |
| 21:00.24 | MohammadAG | dima202, it isn't, the python .py script is more practical, but both are crippled portrait mode |
| 21:00.41 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, :) |
| 21:01.03 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: hm, i see nothing in postinst that seems to do anything with the sudoers... |
| 21:01.08 | dima202 | btw, Remember I was having problems installing tools repo? Well simply follow this link to install it http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation scroll down to Installation "open this single-click install file" and you get screen, traceroute and much more useful stuff |
| 21:01.09 | LuciusMare_ | so let's hope it will work |
| 21:01.10 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, did it work? |
| 21:01.15 | LuciusMare_ | i am going to test it |
| 21:01.43 | dima202 | MohammadAG: do you use ESbox? |
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| 21:02.38 | MohammadAG | damn freenode |
| 21:03.19 | dima202 | MohammadAG: Can you please write a tutorial which explains how to simply compile a package from source using this application? If you ever get some free time on your hands... I've been at it for days :( |
| 21:03.20 | LuciusMare_ | well, this is it... so let's try it |
| 21:03.48 | LuciusMare_ | holy freak |
| 21:03.49 | MohammadAG | dima202, which application? |
| 21:03.52 | LuciusMare_ | hugs MohammadAG |
| 21:03.57 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 21:04.18 | dima202 | anything at all. I just want to know how to compile using ESbox |
| 21:04.23 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, I'm guessing it worked :P |
| 21:04.28 | ToJa92 | [MohammadAG]: What did you do now lol? |
| 21:04.30 | LuciusMare_ | ^_^ |
| 21:04.48 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, package which enables sudo su |
| 21:04.59 | dima202 | MohammadAG: Just please a small little tutorial would mean a great deal |
| 21:05.05 | LuciusMare_ | ToJa92: i had it disabled |
| 21:05.10 | MohammadAG | dima202, it really is app dependent |
| 21:05.13 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG, thank you so much ^^ |
| 21:05.16 | ToJa92 | [LuciusMare_]: Oh |
| 21:05.20 | MohammadAG | depends if the app has a configure file etc... |
| 21:05.27 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, no probs :) |
| 21:05.42 | MohammadAG | Question for everyone else, should I upload this suenabler to -devel? |
| 21:05.48 | MohammadAG | I doubt anyone needs it though.. |
| 21:05.51 | dima202 | MohammadAG: Yeah, with .config |
| 21:06.02 | MohammadAG | no .config for it |
| 21:06.05 | MohammadAG | it's not a C++ app |
| 21:06.11 | MohammadAG | it doesn't need to be compiled... |
| 21:06.16 | ToJa92 | But why would you use sudo su, isn't that pretty much the same ass sudo gainroot (if you got the proper package installed)? |
| 21:06.27 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, he crippled the proper package lol |
| 21:06.32 | dima202 | ToJa92: because it's less characters? |
| 21:06.34 | MohammadAG | (somehow) |
| 21:06.48 | ToJa92 | [dima202]: If that's the case you can just write 'root' ;) |
| 21:07.09 | MohammadAG | makes a script called R which is root |
| 21:07.16 | MohammadAG | 3 less characters!!! :P |
| 21:07.23 | ToJa92 | [MohammadAG]: Wow, nice accomplishment :) |
| 21:07.24 | dima202 | :) |
| 21:07.44 | dima202 | yeah I guess that would work just stick it in /usr/bin |
| 21:08.03 | LuciusMare_ | One thing i wonder... |
| 21:08.06 | MohammadAG | sudo gainroot is... |
| 21:08.07 | MohammadAG | if [ x$1 = x--use-su ]; then |
| 21:08.07 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.08 | korhojoa | MohammadAG: alias R to root ? |
| 21:08.16 | MohammadAG | it's possible |
| 21:08.16 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: it looks kinda like it replaced the whole sudoers file |
| 21:08.24 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 21:08.37 | LuciusMare_ | for example, my permissions for ping are not there |
| 21:08.42 | ToJa92 | out of curiosity, is it possible to modify the omweather widget? I find it rather large and bulky |
| 21:08.44 | LuciusMare_ | What did exactly the script do? |
| 21:08.45 | MohammadAG | ping needs root |
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| 21:08.48 | LuciusMare_ | yes |
| 21:09.17 | MohammadAG | ping needs root by default |
| 21:09.17 | dima202 | One thing I really don't like is that my name is user and there is no password for user either |
| 21:09.32 | MohammadAG | there is a password, we just don't know it (it can be changed) |
| 21:09.38 | LuciusMare_ | hurr |
| 21:09.55 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: i know ping needs root, that's why i put it in sudoers, and after installing your package, it disappeared |
| 21:10.05 | MohammadAG | no idea then |
| 21:10.09 | MohammadAG | it didn't replace anything... |
| 21:10.15 | LuciusMare_ | then what did it do? :) |
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| 21:10.21 | dima202 | MohammadAG: oh, so I am basically giving everyone root privelage to anyone on the web to my phone?!!! o.O |
| 21:10.25 | MohammadAG | it only copied the sudoers file and updated sudoers |
| 21:10.27 | dima202 | types passwd |
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| 21:10.37 | MohammadAG | dima202, err, how? |
| 21:11.00 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, in case anything bad happens/ed, here's my whole sudoers.d folder Well here's my whole suoders http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/suoders.d.tar.gz |
| 21:11.10 | MohammadAG | oops, wrong link |
| 21:11.16 | dima202 | MohammadAG: well if the user's password is known then anyone can simply login to my box as user and default password |
| 21:11.31 | LuciusMare_ | if you have ssh :P |
| 21:11.31 | dima202 | seems pretty dumb to leave a default password?!! |
| 21:11.33 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/sudoers.d.tar.gz |
| 21:11.44 | MohammadAG | dima202, no one knows it |
| 21:11.47 | MohammadAG | and no one will |
| 21:11.59 | ToJa92 | Probably some guy at nokia who knows it? :P |
| 21:12.01 | dima202 | MohammadAG: I wish I had your optimizm |
| 21:12.13 | dima202 | the password for user cannot be changed |
| 21:12.18 | ToJa92 | so he can take over all N900's and DDOS apples server, lol |
| 21:12.31 | MohammadAG | dima202, you know there are other N900s, I'm sure one of them has more confidential info than yours :P (no offense) |
| 21:12.34 | dima202 | lol, ToJa92 as funny as that soudns its true |
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| 21:12.41 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: so your package added a file to my /etc/sudoers, right? |
| 21:12.44 | lcuk | what would be the attack vector to logging in? |
| 21:12.53 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, yes |
| 21:12.59 | MohammadAG | a su.sudoers file |
| 21:13.05 | MohammadAG | then executed update-sudoers |
| 21:13.18 | dima202 | MohammadAG: I have the most sensetive information on mine ... (encrypted ofcours) |
| 21:13.26 | MohammadAG | then why are you worried lol |
| 21:13.30 | LuciusMare_ | oh, the update-sudoers edited /etc/sudoers, right? |
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| 21:13.49 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, no, it just refreshes the cached list |
| 21:13.59 | MohammadAG | it's /etc/sudoers.d/ btw |
| 21:14.10 | dima202 | MohammadAG: The question is why aren't YOU worried |
| 21:14.20 | MohammadAG | why should I |
| 21:14.25 | LuciusMare_ | Then what the *HECK* is this line: "user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/su" doing in my /etc/sudoers ? O_o |
| 21:15.12 | timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_: probably so that su can run and say "you can't use me" |
| 21:15.13 | frals | hey lcuk ive implemented the 3 concrete things we came up with yesterday! |
| 21:15.16 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, it's in /etc/sudoers.d! |
| 21:15.27 | LuciusMare_ | so this line was already in my sudoers? |
| 21:15.27 | frals | (found yet another bug in my friggin config dialog while doing it) |
| 21:15.28 | lcuk | frals !!! :D |
| 21:15.30 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, actually, he asked me to enable it in a package |
| 21:15.34 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, err, no |
| 21:15.37 | dima202 | well ssh should deny connections if there is no password ... right? |
| 21:15.37 | MohammadAG | I added it... |
| 21:15.42 | lcuk | raises a glass to you |
| 21:15.49 | LuciusMare_ | no, you said you added the file into sudoers.d |
| 21:15.56 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 21:16.01 | frals | raises a bottle of vodka to lcuk |
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| 21:16.11 | MohammadAG | it's /etc/sudoers.d/su.sudoers |
| 21:16.14 | timeless_mbp | dima202: not precisely |
| 21:16.20 | MohammadAG | that's what the package did, period |
| 21:16.23 | lcuk | :) ill try to get one of the guys to pass a bottle to you when you go next week frals :) |
| 21:16.24 | timeless_mbp | if you have an ssh key, sshd should be happy |
| 21:16.29 | MohammadAG | drinks the whole bottle |
| 21:16.33 | LuciusMare_ | yes, but that line *points up* is in my /etc/subversion/ |
| 21:16.36 | LuciusMare_ | ergh |
| 21:16.38 | frals | hehe lcuk |
| 21:16.48 | LuciusMare_ | s/subversion/sudoers/ |
| 21:16.49 | lcuk | infact, timeless_mbp if you see frals could you shout him a bottle of vodka etc |
| 21:16.56 | lcuk | ill return favour when i next see you |
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| 21:17.03 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 21:17.11 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, did you notice what it says... ### Automatically added by update-sudoers |
| 21:17.15 | lcuk | \o/ |
| 21:17.31 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I split the dots :P |
| 21:17.48 | LuciusMare_ | o |
| 21:17.50 | MohammadAG | it worked once though, when i tried it again it didn't work |
| 21:18.07 | opdf2 | is there a quick photo sharing via service plugin? where i can upload a pic and it returns URL for the upload? |
| 21:18.13 | opdf2 | beside using the browser |
| 21:18.28 | MohammadAG | wants that |
| 21:18.30 | MohammadAG | but no |
| 21:18.33 | LuciusMare_ | I blame the late night hours... |
| 21:19.02 | lcuk | opdf2, agreed - a sensible option for sharing plugins would be to "[ ] put finished url onto clipboard" |
| 21:19.07 | MohammadAG | not late at all, it's still 12:19 AM |
| 21:19.15 | LuciusMare_ | hah |
| 21:19.18 | lcuk | but i don tthink it does now |
| 21:19.26 | LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: 11:20 PM |
| 21:19.35 | MohammadAG | lcuk, does the whole sharing thing allow that? |
| 21:19.38 | opdf2 | lcuk: yes. i just want to do a quick screenshot post or camera shot |
| 21:19.41 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 21:19.42 | MohammadAG | stamps "Fixed in Harmattan" |
| 21:19.49 | lcuk | but its something thought of by a few people that ive seen |
| 21:19.57 | LuciusMare_ | anyway, thanks, and bye :) |
| 21:20.04 | lcuk | it would need to be made available |
| 21:20.08 | MohammadAG | you're welcome |
| 21:20.10 | MohammadAG | and cya |
| 21:20.16 | lcuk | and then individual plugins would make use of it |
| 21:20.25 | lcuk | so it couldnt change overnight i doubt |
| 21:20.30 | GAN900 | Hooray for sunshine |
| 21:20.31 | MohammadAG | lcuk, PR1.3 target milestone? :P |
| 21:20.45 | MohammadAG | wants some snow |
| 21:20.46 | lcuk | file a bug about if it there isnt one? |
| 21:20.48 | MohammadAG | or even a cloud |
| 21:20.52 | lcuk | /enhancement |
| 21:21.04 | lcuk | if you get me the number ill track it |
| 21:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: basically there's no such thing like a user without password |
| 21:21.25 | GAN900 | s/like/as/ |
| 21:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: for user the password is a nonexist - i.e you can't enter the correct password |
| 21:22.24 | dima202 | DocScrutinizer: oh I see so security through obscurity |
| 21:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | and that's the 'default' password for user |
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| 21:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: no, you CAN NOT enter the correct password |
| 21:23.07 | dima202 | DocScrutinizer: oh alright. I just hope you are right and this can't be exploited |
| 21:23.19 | GAN900 | lol |
| 21:23.31 | TomaszD | heh, I managed to kill apt-worker |
| 21:23.47 | TomaszD | ham doesn't work now |
| 21:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: It's done this way on almost all unix systems since 1970 |
| 21:24.50 | MohammadAG | TomaszD, restart it, it will work again :) |
| 21:25.09 | TomaszD | yeah, it works niw |
| 21:25.11 | TomaszD | now |
| 21:25.12 | frals | MohammadAG, lcuk: it should be able to do that as you can make the sharing plugin do a lot of things |
| 21:25.37 | frals | (but bastard wont start your command until you have an internet connection for some silly reason :<) |
| 21:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: look to /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow, you see all those 'yxcd:*:...' |
| 21:26.02 | lcuk | frals sure - but it needs to be made into a documented part of the plugin api/specification and individual plugins then need to fill in the fields |
| 21:26.04 | TomaszD | has anyone seen fiferboy lately? |
| 21:26.17 | lcuk | its a low hanging fruit tweak to existing system |
| 21:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: the '*' is what your password had to yield by the encoding algo |
| 21:26.30 | lcuk | that gives one of those nice touches to people who share a lot |
| 21:27.02 | lcuk | TomaszD, he was in #meego earlier |
| 21:27.02 | MohammadAG | lcuk, personally I need it for screenshots |
| 21:27.08 | TomaszD | thx |
| 21:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: there's no password that'll create a '*' by crypt() |
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| 21:28.08 | lcuk | so - find or file me a bug report for it so i can keep an eye on it |
| 21:28.09 | dima202 | i user :!:29999:29999:: |
| 21:28.19 | Macer | ok like |
| 21:28.21 | Macer | no term? |
| 21:28.21 | dima202 | I dont see a * |
| 21:28.22 | Macer | :) |
| 21:28.27 | Macer | i'm looking for it but can't seem to find it |
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| 21:28.55 | MohammadAG | :29999:29999:: here, but loads more before it that I won't paste :) |
| 21:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: '!' is similar |
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| 21:29.34 | dima202 | DocScrutinizer:and i don't see a /etc/shadow |
| 21:29.42 | javispedro | no need to. |
| 21:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: shadow is for multiuser systems |
| 21:30.16 | Macer | wtf |
| 21:30.24 | Macer | do i need to add a repo or something to install a terminal? :) |
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| 21:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | err what?? |
| 21:30.42 | dima202 | Macer: no its in your <more> thing in menu |
| 21:31.00 | Macer | oh |
| 21:31.03 | Macer | oops |
| 21:31.07 | dima202 | :) |
| 21:31.15 | MohammadAG | I wonder how quick the menu will open on PR1.2 |
| 21:31.54 | dima202 | btw, I have seen no need to overclock the device remember I was so pro overclocking? I'm anti-overclocking now |
| 21:32.35 | sECuRE | how comes? |
| 21:32.44 | dima202 | because i see no need for it .. at all |
| 21:33.01 | dima202 | it's so smooth and capable even at stock settings |
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| 21:33.14 | Macer | ok |
| 21:33.21 | Macer | hm. |
| 21:33.35 | Macer | whats the best term font? |
| 21:33.41 | MohammadAG | default |
| 21:33.47 | MohammadAG | I lowered the font size |
| 21:34.20 | Macer | i hate the default |
| 21:34.26 | MohammadAG | Droid Fonts then |
| 21:34.28 | Macer | ;) |
| 21:34.32 | Macer | hahaha |
| 21:34.43 | dima202 | hehe, I like the default, although I might play around with it |
| 21:34.49 | Macer | one of the top ones is pretty good |
| 21:34.59 | MohammadAG | but seriously, terminal doesn't need to look pretty :) |
| 21:35.16 | MohammadAG | as someone suggests in the "Make apps prettier" thread |
| 21:35.22 | MohammadAG | the word pretty is weird too |
| 21:35.23 | mayfairman | dima202: the only time I see a lag is on flash intensive site but hopefully upcoming flash 10 H/W acceleration with GPU will see to that without me needing to overclock |
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| 21:35.55 | dima202 | mayfairman: I just let the flash finish loading and then start watching while I do something else |
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| 21:36.10 | Macer | well |
| 21:36.12 | dima202 | mayfairman: if it loads 100% I see no problems at all |
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| 21:36.21 | Macer | term is pretty good |
| 21:36.27 | Lumpio- | We could make terminal use Comic Sans |
| 21:36.27 | mayfairman | dima202: fair enough ;) |
| 21:36.29 | Lumpio- | That'd be pretty |
| 21:36.32 | Macer | functional at least |
| 21:36.45 | Macer | the kb kind of sucks |
| 21:36.50 | dima202 | Macer: I wish for tabbing on x term |
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| 21:39.29 | Macer | yeah |
| 21:39.39 | Macer | that would be cool |
| 21:39.50 | mayfairman | Tab is on n900 for xterm |
| 21:39.59 | mayfairman | Sym+8 |
| 21:40.02 | Macer | er |
| 21:40.12 | Macer | he means tabbing |
| 21:40.31 | mayfairman | as in window tabs? |
| 21:40.41 | mayfairman | or as in line completes? |
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| 21:41.44 | Macer | window tabs |
| 21:42.08 | mayfairman | ah, lol, ok ;) |
| 21:44.16 | Macer | well |
| 21:44.27 | Macer | let me find skype |
| 21:44.59 | MohammadAG | Conversations > Tap title > Accounts |
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| 21:46.21 | Macer | wow really |
| 21:46.40 | Macer | its integrated in telepathy? |
| 21:46.45 | SpeedEvil1 | lcuk: sharing plugins funal url onto cluipboard ++ |
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| 21:47.00 | andre__ | Macer: yes, as (closed source) telepathy-spirit |
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| 21:47.53 | dima202 | as in simply seeing tabs in x term as a single app |
| 21:48.24 | mayfairman | yeah, my bad dima |
| 21:48.43 | dima202 | but i'm guessing there might be memory issues and if one froze the whole app would freeze |
| 21:48.45 | Macer | ok... |
| 21:49.00 | Macer | how do i make a skype call now? |
| 21:49.04 | MohammadAG | Phone app |
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| 21:49.14 | MohammadAG | Or read the manual :P |
| 21:49.16 | dima202 | skype? pfft.. Use real sip |
| 21:49.18 | Macer | lol |
| 21:49.42 | dima202 | Go to settings> VoIP and IM accounts |
| 21:49.59 | MohammadAG | he already set it up... |
| 21:50.00 | mayfairman | once you have set-up skype will be integrated with contacts |
| 21:50.01 | lcuk | does anyone know if the swedish chef from the muppet could pronounce the name of the volcano? |
| 21:50.07 | lcuk | muppets |
| 21:50.11 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:50.17 | mayfairman | give you option of text, call skype and skype im |
| 21:50.26 | Macer | yeah |
| 21:50.38 | lcuk | me and tracy have just been trying to here and it devolved into impressions of him involving exploding chickens |
| 21:50.50 | Macer | the skype contacts dont go into your contacts? |
| 21:50.58 | MohammadAG | Macer, they do |
| 21:51.00 | MohammadAG | lcuk, XD |
| 21:51.02 | mayfairman | yeah |
| 21:51.08 | Macer | hm |
| 21:51.24 | mayfairman | and you can also call non-skype contacts through skype call from thier contact card |
| 21:51.50 | Macer | MohammadAG: the landline contacts do not |
| 21:51.54 | Macer | only the skype based contacts |
| 21:52.01 | MohammadAG | Macer, umm |
| 21:52.06 | MohammadAG | tap the title bar |
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| 21:52.09 | MohammadAG | select Groups |
| 21:52.12 | MohammadAG | select skype |
| 21:52.17 | MohammadAG | (I noticed this last week) |
| 21:52.21 | MohammadAG | tap the title bar |
| 21:52.22 | Macer | in groups? |
| 21:52.27 | Macer | er.. phone? |
| 21:52.28 | MohammadAG | you'll get skype specific settings |
| 21:52.34 | mayfairman | all contacts have skype call option with me |
| 21:52.36 | MohammadAG | Macer, contacts > tap title > groups |
| 21:52.44 | MohammadAG | then skype and tap the title bar |
| 21:52.50 | MohammadAG | you'll get a lot of skype related stuff |
| 21:52.56 | MohammadAG | (such as searching for contacts) |
| 21:54.20 | Macer | yeah |
| 21:54.22 | Macer | got it.. awesome |
| 21:54.27 | Macer | i can import the contacts through skype :) |
| 21:55.00 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, ping |
| 21:55.06 | Macer | i just hope the portrait stuff starts to get worked on |
| 21:55.15 | Macer | this landscape only for 90% of the stuff kind of sucks |
| 21:55.17 | MohammadAG | it's been confirmed not to come |
| 21:55.26 | mayfairman | check out gpodder for an example of portrait goodness ;) |
| 21:55.26 | MohammadAG | likes it |
| 21:55.53 | MohammadAG | It taught me how to type in portrait using a landscape keyboard (can achieve good speeds) |
| 21:56.16 | Macer | comfirmed not to come? |
| 21:56.20 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 21:56.23 | SpeedEvil | Naah - 1.2 unlocks the secret hinge. |
| 21:56.29 | Macer | wtf? :) that is kind of silly |
| 21:56.32 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, lol, not for all packages |
| 21:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: see 'man crypt' - the password you type is converted to (at least) 12 characters drawn from the set [aâzAâZ0â9./], this crypted string then is stored to /etc/passwd after first ":". You can't enter a password that would result in whatever single char crypted string |
| 21:56.34 | SpeedEvil | The keyboard piviots 90 degrees too |
| 21:56.36 | MohammadAG | Macer, it's not... |
| 21:56.39 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 21:56.42 | Macer | i could understand some things |
| 21:56.45 | Macer | but the desktop :) |
| 21:56.47 | Macer | that sucks heh |
| 21:56.52 | MohammadAG | Macer, it doesn't... |
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| 21:57.17 | MohammadAG | anyways everyone knows it was confirmed not to come |
| 21:58.23 | Macer | MohammadAG: yes it does ;) |
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| 21:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: so no matter if there's :x:, :*:, :!:, or :: - you can't authenticate to this account via password |
| 21:58.34 | MohammadAG | hmm, a nano-2.0.7 package |
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| 21:58.45 | Macer | someone will work on it |
| 21:58.46 | MohammadAG | I wonder what that is |
| 21:58.46 | Macer | i bet |
| 21:58.48 | Macer | heh |
| 21:58.52 | MohammadAG | I doubt it |
| 21:58.56 | Macer | it may not come officially but someone will work on it |
| 21:59.04 | MohammadAG | Not in fremantle |
| 21:59.12 | MohammadAG | at least till some stuff gets opened up |
| 21:59.17 | Macer | heh |
| 21:59.18 | MohammadAG | maybe mer, but not fremantle |
| 21:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: HTH to make you sleep without nightmares ;-D |
| 21:59.42 | MohammadAG | ol |
| 21:59.44 | MohammadAG | lol* |
| 21:59.47 | Macer | well.. i think it's a bad idea to keep it landscape only |
| 22:00.00 | MohammadAG | it's been landscape only since maemo 1 |
| 22:00.21 | MohammadAG | (it wasn't called maemo 1 was it?) |
| 22:00.22 | Macer | yeah but... it is the first time it's on an actual phone |
| 22:00.35 | mayfairman | how does gpodder do it then? |
| 22:00.37 | dima202 | just came back reading |
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| 22:00.44 | Macer | ;) |
| 22:00.49 | MohammadAG | mayfairman, it's developed with portrait support |
| 22:00.56 | opdf2 | is frals around for a quick queston |
| 22:00.59 | MohammadAG | Maemo wasn't developed with portrait support |
| 22:01.17 | Macer | MohammadAG: someone will do it |
| 22:01.17 | mayfairman | OK, cheers |
| 22:01.22 | Macer | i'll be you money ;) |
| 22:01.27 | Macer | bet |
| 22:01.36 | MohammadAG | your bet is in the logs |
| 22:01.45 | mayfairman | my desktop would look honky in portrait anyways |
| 22:01.47 | MohammadAG | yes I'm pessimistic |
| 22:01.51 | dima202 | DocScrutinizer: Alright, thanks Doc. I believe you are correct |
| 22:01.53 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 22:02.28 | Macer | haha |
| 22:02.57 | lcuk | mayfairman, define honky |
| 22:03.27 | mayfairman | lol, nasty and wierd |
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| 22:05.04 | lcuk | which part would be weird |
| 22:05.48 | MohammadAG | qwerty12 wants me to suffer lol |
| 22:05.48 | Macer | lcuk: fix fremantle |
| 22:05.52 | Macer | to go into portrait mode |
| 22:05.54 | Macer | :-P |
| 22:05.55 | mayfairman | well having been used to the iPhone portrait, it took me a while to get used to the landscape mode, but I wouldnt go back now, it seems much more intuitive |
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| 22:06.13 | MohammadAG | downloaded the status menu applet source code and it's in vala |
| 22:06.16 | SpeedEvil | For a few things portrait is clearly better |
| 22:06.16 | Macer | i just think the desktop itself looks wrong |
| 22:06.23 | Macer | being in landscape |
| 22:06.24 | Macer | :) |
| 22:06.42 | Macer | like contacts? |
| 22:06.43 | mayfairman | otherwise would just be another grid list of icons |
| 22:06.57 | Simona | hello. does anyone know if I can install or is there any openOffice version for Maemo 5 - the version for smartphones? |
| 22:07.05 | lcuk | macer this isnt about doing anything, im just wondering which part would be "wrong" |
| 22:07.16 | mayfairman | apps should be able to go portrait, and desktop as an option, defo |
| 22:07.31 | Macer | mayfairman: i agree |
| 22:07.35 | Macer | especially contacts |
| 22:07.36 | Macer | haha |
| 22:07.40 | mayfairman | lol |
| 22:07.43 | Macer | people want to grab a phone |
| 22:07.45 | Macer | and talk |
| 22:07.52 | SpeedEvil | I don't. |
| 22:07.54 | MohammadAG | Macer, open phone and select select a contact |
| 22:07.54 | Macer | they have to hold it sideways.. then fli it |
| 22:07.57 | Macer | flip? :) |
| 22:08.07 | mayfairman | lcuk: I didnt mean wrong as in wrong, just my set-up would not work in portrait in any way from a desktop POV |
| 22:08.13 | MohammadAG | Macer, no, the phone app supports portrait + portrait contacts |
| 22:08.25 | MohammadAG | it's not meant to be a main phone anyways |
| 22:08.28 | Macer | MohammadAG: yeah i see that... but the actual contacts does not :) |
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| 22:08.35 | SpeedEvil | I've spent ~.005% of the time talking on it |
| 22:08.38 | MohammadAG | I bought it since I really don't talk much, and I love linux |
| 22:08.43 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, same :) |
| 22:09.05 | mayfairman | macer: if you set portrait phone mode on, you can go into select contact and they will be portrait |
| 22:09.08 | MohammadAG | well recently I started making convo (conferences) on skype |
| 22:09.13 | MohammadAG | but that's about it |
| 22:09.24 | MohammadAG | mayfairman, didn't I say that a whole back? |
| 22:09.31 | MohammadAG | s/whole/while |
| 22:09.41 | mayfairman | with a nifty alphabetical selector as the KB will not be out, obviously, lol |
| 22:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | bah, portrait mode. Just use rotated-left-90 fontset ;-P |
| 22:10.01 | mayfairman | Sorry, was attending to nagging child |
| 22:10.09 | MohammadAG | ah DocScrutinizer, you've got a solution to everything :P |
| 22:12.15 | MohammadAG | seriously needs a better laptop |
| 22:12.20 | MohammadAG | or a bigger HDD |
| 22:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you've been watching the screen in portrait mode and cursed the missing rotate-left-90 fonts, during those 0.005% of talking? |
| 22:12.54 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no. I was getting over the shock of my internet device making this wierd ringing noise. |
| 22:13.34 | javispedro | damn noise, now it feels even more bad when I feel the urge to smash it when it rings |
| 22:13.36 | Macer | MohammadAG: yeah |
| 22:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | well, I for one have no eyes inside my ears X-P |
| 22:13.45 | Macer | i think it's just the feel of looking at a desktop on a phone |
| 22:13.52 | Macer | and wanting to grab it vertically and see the widgets |
| 22:13.56 | Macer | :) |
| 22:14.09 | Macer | when you pull it out of your pocket it is easier to just stare at it |
| 22:14.32 | Macer | insteda you have to put too much though behind it and sure it only takes a second.. but that's a second of life wasted if you just wanted to check the time or the weather |
| 22:14.42 | mayfairman | lol |
| 22:15.11 | lcuk | Macer, :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q |
| 22:15.20 | mayfairman | right, my Lost is ready, pleasure chatting with you guys |
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| 22:16.41 | Macer | lcuk: that.. is .. awesome |
| 22:16.44 | Macer | is that for maemo or mer? |
| 22:16.50 | Macer | :) |
| 22:16.59 | Macer | now that is something that would make for an awesome desktop |
| 22:17.09 | Macer | always able to be read no matter where the phone is heh |
| 22:17.16 | lcuk | thats liqbase rendering, im trying to work out where and how and what to deal in other places |
| 22:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: this lost second only happens to me when a call comes in and I need to rotate the device to read who's calling :-) |
| 22:17.36 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah that's a bad one too |
| 22:17.41 | MohammadAG | I set it to portrait only |
| 22:17.42 | Macer | i thought that was horrible haha |
| 22:17.54 | MohammadAG | when a call comes I know the orientation :) |
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| 22:18.17 | MohammadAG | I still want the N97 answer screen |
| 22:18.28 | MohammadAG | ------> Answer |
| 22:18.34 | MohammadAG | Unlock <--------- |
| 22:18.39 | Macer | MohammadAG: where do you set that? |
| 22:18.40 | lcuk | Macer, do you have windows pc there? |
| 22:18.48 | Macer | doesn't the phone app auto rotate? |
| 22:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | I want dialer in landscape unconditionally |
| 22:18.55 | MohammadAG | Macer, phone app, settings, set orientation |
| 22:18.57 | Macer | i could have sworn i saw an option for that |
| 22:19.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, open the keyboard :P |
| 22:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | now THAT's annoying when pulling out of the belt pouch |
| 22:19.40 | Macer | i don't see that |
| 22:19.52 | MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTj3d148UI |
| 22:19.54 | lcuk | macer, if you do - i always wanted to fill this with widgets and windows: http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.exe |
| 22:19.59 | Macer | i'm sorry. i just can't go with you on that it's a computer with a phone crap ;) |
| 22:20.04 | Macer | not having the portrait stuff sucks ass |
| 22:20.05 | Macer | haha |
| 22:20.20 | Macer | that is just horrible design and i can't agree with you on that one |
| 22:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | your ass |
| 22:20.28 | Macer | :) no offense |
| 22:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | not mine |
| 22:20.41 | MohammadAG | Macer, tap the title bar, select turning control |
| 22:20.46 | Macer | i did already |
| 22:20.49 | Macer | but i'm talking overall |
| 22:21.05 | Macer | forcing the desktop in landscape saying "this is how a PHONE is going to be" that was a bad idea |
| 22:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm talking underwear |
| 22:21.24 | MohammadAG | it wasn't made to be a phone |
| 22:21.27 | MohammadAG | hence no MMS |
| 22:21.34 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I just made alarmed support presets both in cli and gui. wont release now though because I don't want to have to explain all the new readers of that thread again how to install it atm now that the repos are broken. not sure if that recent fix fixed the pyside packages as well. |
| 22:21.48 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 22:21.53 | Macer | MohammadAG: it wasn't meant to be a phone? :) |
| 22:21.56 | MohammadAG | what would happen if I call myself through skype |
| 22:22.06 | MohammadAG | Macer, it never was meant to be a phone |
| 22:22.30 | Macer | but it is |
| 22:22.39 | Macer | doesn't matter what it was never meant to be |
| 22:22.42 | Macer | :) |
| 22:22.43 | MohammadAG | ok... |
| 22:22.46 | MohammadAG | you bought it |
| 22:22.49 | MohammadAG | your problem :P |
| 22:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: so hold it till jorg's labs are up and functional again, and it got a decent review :-) |
| 22:23.00 | lcuk | well its in our hands now :) |
| 22:23.01 | MohammadAG | subscribes to lcuk's channel |
| 22:23.03 | Macer | sure is.. like i said tho.. eventually i think it will be fixed |
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| 22:23.12 | lcuk | :) MohammadAG |
| 22:23.14 | Macer | because that was a horrible decision by whomever made it |
| 22:23.27 | Macer | it will be a turn off to many consumers |
| 22:23.33 | MohammadAG | moving away from this conversation... |
| 22:23.40 | lcuk | MohammadAG i thought you knew some of the uber things ive done over my time and things ive tested along the way |
| 22:24.02 | MohammadAG | lcuk, sadly, I never was in the community pre-N900 times |
| 22:24.06 | Macer | lcuk: get that liq thing going on the desktop ;) that would be awesome |
| 22:24.10 | MohammadAG | I never knew maemo was linux |
| 22:24.13 | Macer | that rotation app was great |
| 22:24.21 | MohammadAG | actually, I never knew what maemo was |
| 22:24.22 | lcuk | Macer, original n810 version of liqbase has physics view |
| 22:24.25 | Macer | if you can make a desktop do that it would be awesome |
| 22:24.26 | lcuk | all it ever lacked was rotate |
| 22:24.34 | lcuk | it does exactly what that mini app does |
| 22:24.40 | Macer | wow |
| 22:24.42 | lcuk | dragging scaling etc |
| 22:24.44 | MohammadAG | I thought the N810 run a Java OS or something |
| 22:24.54 | MohammadAG | I was blinded by Symbian |
| 22:25.59 | lcuk | now Macer i have just been a bit busy recently - im trying to build nice things using proper tooling and stuff |
| 22:26.02 | Macer | or android? |
| 22:26.15 | Macer | lcuk: well let me know when you get something like that going ;) |
| 22:26.16 | MohammadAG | only things I miss from the N97 are the keyboard hinge thing, and the button on the headset |
| 22:26.21 | MohammadAG | I can live without them |
| 22:26.25 | lcuk | Macer, i think everyone will know :) |
| 22:26.27 | Macer | it would be so nice to have a desktop that can be put in portrait mode without looking retarded |
| 22:27.05 | lcuk | indeed, its something ive discussed quite a bit, but the code is different, work in progress so to speak |
| 22:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hs button?? |
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| 22:27.54 | lcuk | macer that windows exe is built in visual basic! |
| 22:27.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, volume, next prev track, and a pause button |
| 22:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | aaah that one |
| 22:28.05 | lcuk | the liqbase stuff is native raw c |
| 22:28.14 | lcuk | im getting quite fond of pyqt at the moment |
| 22:28.14 | MohammadAG | but again, I can live without them |
| 22:28.28 | MohammadAG | didn't qwerty12 make an app that makes the end button a pause button? |
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| 22:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what I really miss is a decent voicedial&cmd |
| 22:29.26 | MohammadAG | voice dial was kind of useless for me (names aren' |
| 22:29.27 | Macer | lcuk: well.. hopefully someone fixed that landscape only idiocy :) like i said. MohammadAG is entitled to his opinion but as far as a phone goes that is bad business sense.. i can honestly live without it if necessary but if anybody asked me how good an n900 is i would tell them that it doesn't go into portrat mode |
| 22:29.34 | MohammadAG | t clear in english) |
| 22:29.35 | Macer | and i bet money they will not buy it for that fact alone :) |
| 22:29.37 | MohammadAG | damn enter key |
| 22:29.41 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, cmd? |
| 22:29.46 | MohammadAG | ah nvm, voice command |
| 22:29.47 | lcuk | Macer, yes its known |
| 22:29.51 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: it got a review? |
| 22:29.53 | lcuk | but the reasoning MohammadAG gave is sound |
| 22:30.02 | lcuk | the history of the maemo devices is landscape |
| 22:30.10 | Macer | but they weren't actual phones |
| 22:30.12 | Macer | this is |
| 22:30.14 | Macer | it must adapt :) |
| 22:30.23 | MohammadAG | Macer, well when someone asked me if he should get an N900 I told him to get an iPhone |
| 22:30.24 | lcuk | therefore pretty much every app for it is geared for it - there have been long discussions already |
| 22:30.27 | lcuk | of course |
| 22:30.32 | MohammadAG | (not kidding btw) |
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| 22:30.46 | Macer | you can't build an awesome phone with great hardware and an awesome OS that could rival an iphone and make mistakes like that turning it off large demographic |
| 22:30.52 | MohammadAG | problem is, next week he got the N900 and wanted me to add 5 extra desktops |
| 22:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: it'll get one, as soon as my device is back in my shivering hands |
| 22:30.58 | Macer | MohammadAG: yes. i would do the same thing ;) |
| 22:31.10 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ;) |
| 22:31.14 | Shapeshifter | poor bastard |
| 22:31.21 | Macer | i would say "no get an iphone.. this isn't the same thing.." but i would make it a point to show him how it doesn't go into portrait mode and tell them i don't like that about it |
| 22:31.26 | MohammadAG | Macer, btw I didn't say that cause the iPhone is better |
| 22:31.28 | lcuk | Macer, its not turned you off - its a hackers dream device :) |
| 22:31.44 | MohammadAG | it's cause I know he'll annoy me with stuff about it |
| 22:31.49 | Macer | MohammadAG: i don't think the iphone is better tbh ;) |
| 22:31.55 | MohammadAG | it isn't |
| 22:32.00 | MohammadAG | a friend bought one |
| 22:32.05 | MohammadAG | he told me it was over hyped |
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| 22:32.16 | MohammadAG | went into the so called app store |
| 22:32.19 | MohammadAG | most apps are paid |
| 22:32.22 | Macer | it is.. my gf had one a while back and it was meh |
| 22:32.25 | MohammadAG | and 3/4 are fart apps |
| 22:32.34 | Macer | i mean it was nice eye candy and great for people who only read email and browse the web |
| 22:32.37 | lcuk | MohammadAG, come on, its not that bad |
| 22:32.43 | MohammadAG | well 1/4 |
| 22:32.46 | MohammadAG | lcuk, it is |
| 22:32.46 | Macer | but real use is not that good for someone expecting a handheld computer :) |
| 22:32.50 | Macer | n900 is great |
| 22:32.51 | MohammadAG | well at least the IL store |
| 22:32.55 | lcuk | not even that - choice variety |
| 22:32.56 | MohammadAG | not sure about the US/UK ones |
| 22:32.58 | Macer | but that landscape only thing is a major turn off |
| 22:33.00 | Macer | heh |
| 22:33.07 | Macer | anyways. going to tweak it a bit more |
| 22:33.11 | MohammadAG | lcuk, one question, how are 18+ allowed on it? |
| 22:33.11 | Macer | ttyl |
| 22:33.18 | lcuk | ? |
| 22:33.19 | MohammadAG | cya :) |
| 22:33.23 | MohammadAG | lcuk, the app store |
| 22:33.39 | MohammadAG | there are about 10 18+ apps in the top list |
| 22:33.56 | lcuk | ? i dunno |
| 22:34.17 | MohammadAG | I was kind of surprised |
| 22:34.36 | MohammadAG | (not making fun), but a lot of young kids buy iPhones |
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| 22:36.13 | lcuk | a lot of kids lie about hteir age then |
| 22:36.22 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:36.25 | lcuk | i thought apple had strict controls on AO stuff |
| 22:36.28 | lcuk | their |
| 22:36.31 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 22:36.49 | MohammadAG | I guess IL has different policies (w/e they're called) |
| 22:36.58 | MohammadAG | sec lemme get a name of an app |
| 22:38.07 | MohammadAG | found it |
| 22:38.20 | lcuk | MohammadAG, im vanishing |
| 22:38.28 | MohammadAG | to keep logs clean I /noticed it |
| 22:38.50 | MohammadAG | lcuk, off to bed? |
| 22:39.16 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.16 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.16 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.18 | javispedro | knows at least one person to whom he recommended an iphone but got an n900 instead and was impressed by it -- the browser specially |
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| 22:39.25 | lcuk | no wonder its top of the list |
| 22:39.30 | lcuk | but i tohught iphone banned that? |
| 22:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: do me a favour and abandon that portrait topic now! |
| 22:39.40 | MohammadAG | that's what I'm asking about |
| 22:39.42 | javispedro | s/iphone/brand X feature phone |
| 22:40.05 | dima202 | There is no skype with camera support for maemo 5 correct? |
| 22:40.08 | MohammadAG | lcuk, anyone can sign up for the app store |
| 22:40.12 | MohammadAG | dima202, no |
| 22:40.24 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, we had. |
| 22:40.32 | MohammadAG | (but the account needs a windows/mac to PC to be activated) |
| 22:40.35 | lcuk | it had moved onto mature suggestive themes |
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| 22:43.44 | lcuk | anyway, im offski |
| 22:43.54 | lcuk | gnite maemo \o |
| 22:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: but there's *decent* voip with cam support |
| 22:44.00 | MohammadAG | Gnite lcuk |
| 22:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | dima202: called SIP |
| 22:45.33 | dima202 | :) |
| 22:46.15 | dima202 | I have free sip using gvoice with sipsorcery and sipgate |
| 22:46.48 | dima202 | But thats for voice only |
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| 22:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | nah, sipgate etc are only the exchange, you can do video-SIP with virtually every provider, given the far end has a compatible video implementation |
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| 22:50.16 | _hc | hey all, I'm still on a Nokia N810, I was wondering whether anyone knows a way to make it so that new instant messages automatically open up a new window, rather than just putting the alert in the lower left corner |
| 22:50.42 | dima202 | DocScrutinizer: very interesting! |
| 22:50.59 | dima202 | But how can I tell SIP i am making a video call? |
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| 22:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | thought there's been a videocall button in dialer or sth like that? |
| 22:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe it simply always tries to establish a RTP videostream in parallel to the VoIP RTP audio? |
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| 22:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | curses flimsy flat plastic main cable and/or wacky B2B connector |
| 23:00.59 | Macer | t |
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| 23:14.18 | nokeya_ | hi |
| 23:15.48 | nokeya_ | i just bought my n900 and i have stumble already. i cannot see what i type in password boxes. i have done all the latest updates. can i get help here?... thanks |
| 23:17.12 | SpeedEvil | unfortunately, it's a 'feature' - you mean in the browser? |
| 23:17.44 | nokeya_ | yes in the browser the password box only show stars.... thanks |
| 23:18.15 | nokeya_ | i cant log in to im or websites |
| 23:18.49 | microlith | not actually displaying your password is expected behavior, no? |
| 23:19.49 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6598 |
| 23:19.50 | povbot | Bug 6598: Browser should display passwords one character at a time like other applications |
| 23:19.52 | SpeedEvil | see that |
| 23:19.54 | nokeya_ | on my n97 i can see what i type for a brief period then replace by a star but not so on n900 |
| 23:19.59 | microlith | ahh |
| 23:20.00 | SpeedEvil | microlith: yes - but it's broken |
| 23:20.12 | SpeedEvil | microlith: it makes arguable sense on a desktop. Lots less on a phone |
| 23:20.54 | loft306 | nokeya_ mine seems to show passwd as i type it then turns to stars |
| 23:20.55 | SpeedEvil | aha |
| 23:21.05 | SpeedEvil | that bug claims it's fixed in 1.2 |
| 23:21.20 | SpeedEvil | which is coming out real soon now |
| 23:22.05 | yuizy_ | yeah sure |
| 23:22.05 | nokeya_ | hhhmmmmm so that means that i cant login in to nothing till the fix arrives |
| 23:22.25 | nokeya_ | 500 bucks on a phone that cant login to anything |
| 23:22.38 | nokeya_ | man... tell me this is not true |
| 23:22.40 | nokeya_ | please |
| 23:23.22 | microlith | I'd say pebcak, honestly |
| 23:23.27 | yuizy_ | type correctly? |
| 23:24.06 | lcuk | nokeya_, where are you typing password into |
| 23:24.13 | frals | lol what |
| 23:24.19 | nokeya_ | how do you guys login in to stuff like FB, msn, sites ? |
| 23:24.21 | SpeedEvil | nokeya_: I find no great problem typing passwords with numbers, letters, and caps in |
| 23:24.36 | frals | i type my password in, its not rocket science to use the keyboard |
| 23:24.41 | SpeedEvil | nokeya_: it is a bit fiddly, and you do actually have to take care, but it's quite possible |
| 23:24.58 | lcuk | nokeya_, you are more than likely having a problem because the default text input is set to auto capitalize the first letter |
| 23:24.59 | SpeedEvil | nokeya_: what's your facebook password? |
| 23:25.00 | loft306 | geuss i newer noticed an issue then |
| 23:25.01 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 23:25.03 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that |
| 23:25.03 | nokeya_ | thanks speedevil |
| 23:25.06 | SpeedEvil | I mean - what sort |
| 23:25.08 | nokeya_ | ahahahahaha |
| 23:25.10 | nokeya_ | ok |
| 23:25.12 | nokeya_ | sorry |
| 23:25.15 | SpeedEvil | do you have wierd symbols? |
| 23:25.18 | nokeya_ | mix case |
| 23:25.27 | nokeya_ | 10 char¤ long |
| 23:25.37 | nokeya_ | characters |
| 23:25.43 | lcuk | nokeya_, in the Settings, you can set "Auto-capitalization" in the text settings |
| 23:25.49 | loft306 | though the aute cap the first letter drives me nuts sometimes when i forget bout it |
| 23:25.55 | lcuk | it is most likely making you type a capital letter at first |
| 23:25.59 | lcuk | its the default behaviour |
| 23:26.04 | nokeya_ | thnx lcuk |
| 23:26.07 | lcuk | i have it disabled |
| 23:26.12 | lcuk | but other shave it on |
| 23:26.15 | loft306 | i will in a moment |
| 23:26.21 | lcuk | others have |
| 23:26.30 | microlith | I've never hit a mis-typed password due to autocaps |
| 23:27.20 | nokeya_ | u guys must be real good to type passwrod blind...... my e90, n95, n95 spoilt me |
| 23:27.34 | nokeya_ | typo "password" |
| 23:27.42 | microlith | I do it every day on my desktop machines... |
| 23:28.05 | nokeya_ | desktop is not the same though |
| 23:28.28 | microlith | slightly different key order, but essentially the same |
| 23:28.30 | nokeya_ | numbers and letters have their own dedicated keys |
| 23:28.38 | loft306 | its fun with special keys |
| 23:28.44 | lcuk | nokeya_, you seem to have trouble typing anyway |
| 23:28.45 | lcuk | :p |
| 23:28.59 | MohammadAG | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-lightning-the-ultimate-windows-phone-7-device-leaks-out/ |
| 23:29.02 | nokeya_ | hahahahahahahaha thx lcuk |
| 23:29.16 | MohammadAG | shove maemo on it and I'll buy it now |
| 23:29.32 | toresbe | now that |
| 23:29.34 | toresbe | is a bad keyboard |
| 23:30.05 | toresbe | MohammadAG: isn't that basically an N900? |
| 23:30.15 | MohammadAG | with double the RAM :) |
| 23:30.31 | MohammadAG | and a compass (but seriously, do I need one) |
| 23:30.45 | toresbe | yeah, and sans the DSP |
| 23:31.03 | nokeya_ | ok thx for the help guys im gonna go "typing blind training" ................ i love n900 to much be be here with you lot............ till my next problem... peace |
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| 23:31.45 | microlith | I wonder if that thing's OLED is a PenTile display |
| 23:32.01 | lcuk | nokeya_, you could just stick around |
| 23:32.09 | lcuk | and help the next person who comes in typing blind :p |
| 23:33.04 | frals | doh i know what i forgot to add to the ux improvement list |
| 23:33.25 | frals | need button to take the log file and mail it to me from within the ui with one press |
| 23:33.46 | lcuk | "fullscreen photograph of *FAVORITE_CELEB*" |
| 23:33.47 | nokeya_ | no worries i leave it logged in....... ill check in from time to time.....thx again |
| 23:34.10 | lcuk | email not always available - but a sub submission would be practical |
| 23:34.27 | lcuk | or even just do the copy and put it onto clipboard |
| 23:34.51 | frals | could put up a form on my webserver where it can upload it |
| 23:35.01 | frals | and ill just make it upload it from within the app hmm |
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| 23:35.33 | lcuk | frals, its easier to understand users having net access than it is to have mail subsystem configured |
| 23:35.40 | Proteous | when I type in my password all I see is stars |
| 23:35.42 | Proteous | Hunder2 |
| 23:35.45 | Proteous | Hunter2 |
| 23:35.48 | lcuk | afterall - one of the use cases for mms in the first places was - dont like email |
| 23:35.53 | Proteous | see it's just all ******** |
| 23:36.14 | frals | ye lcuk |
| 23:37.25 | lcuk | uses **** as password in some places |
| 23:37.28 | frals | time to figure out how to get something out of strace now then to see what my daemon is doing |
| 23:38.25 | Proteous | http://bash.org/?244321 |
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| 23:44.38 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: did you HL me yesterday? |
| 23:45.14 | frals | so, if strace doesnt print anything, my app should be pretty idle right? |
| 23:46.13 | crashanddie | just means it doesn't make any system calls that strace monitors |
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| 23:50.59 | crashanddie | frals: tried ltrace? |
| 23:51.29 | frals | crashanddie: will do, thanks |
| 23:54.23 | *** join/#maemo Openfree (~df@58.33.76.151) |
| 23:54.56 | crashanddie | bloody hell |
| 23:55.01 | crashanddie | nearly all flights are resuming in Europe |
| 23:55.13 | crashanddie | except for fucking Qantas, who are still not allowing planes to take off |
| 23:55.27 | Macer | hm |
| 23:55.30 | Macer | is ther a video recording app? |
| 23:55.47 | crashanddie | Macer: the camera app records video |
| 23:55.52 | Macer | hm |
| 23:55.58 | Macer | i was looking where you set it but can't find it |
| 23:56.08 | MohammadAG | doesn't the N900 come with a manual? |
| 23:56.10 | MohammadAG | second icon |
| 23:56.11 | Macer | oh |
| 23:56.13 | Macer | found it :) |
| 23:56.25 | Macer | MohammadAG: i got it for $200 without one |
| 23:56.34 | Macer | everything brand new except the manual was gone |
| 23:58.21 | frals | crashanddie: i have a feeling ltrace did not enjoy being attached to a python script |
| 23:58.34 | MohammadAG | Macer, excuses excuses excuses... http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf |
| 23:58.43 | *** part/#maemo timh (~timhardy@93-97-43-161.zone5.bethere.co.uk) |
| 23:59.23 | crashanddie | frals: right |
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