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| 07:20.40 | viliny | signal to noise ratio? |
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| 07:21.16 | ShadowJK | Yeah, last time I checked it was A: here's a 900MHz kernel B: thanks! C: thanks! D: help where is the 900 megahurtz kernel I looked EVERYWHERE E: me too! F: yeah why do they have to hide them, so frustrating! nokia sucks! G: look up a few posts ffs H: how do I do that im no computer xpert |
| 07:21.55 | ShadowJK | this repeated atleast 20 times and that was when it was 1,500 posts |
| 07:22.02 | Termana | viliny: Yes, signal to noise ratio. The amount of interesting information vs the amount of shit spewing out of peoples mouth. |
| 07:22.02 | viliny | hehe yeah |
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| 07:22.25 | viliny | Termana: i thought that something along the lines of overclocking distorting phone calls or something... got my head up in tech :) |
| 07:22.41 | Termana | viliny: heh :P |
| 07:22.43 | lupine_85 | someone should release a 2GHz kernel and leave the really daft ones to their smoking hulks of plastic |
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| 07:22.59 | ZogG_N900 | hey everybody |
| 07:23.00 | lupine_85 | ;) |
| 07:23.06 | viliny | Too bad flashed doesn't work on w7 64 though... and FYI running xp in a sunbox virtual machine on that same host doesn't work either. |
| 07:23.11 | viliny | so i ended up going all phone |
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| 07:23.44 | ZogG_N900 | i don't even have windows |
| 07:24.09 | ShadowJK | wonders if there's a rc heli channel on freenode |
| 07:24.30 | viliny | i have like 8 osses on various devices with mint, debian and ubuntu being the majority, and w7 on machines that i expect to provide gaming |
| 07:24.39 | ZogG_N900 | rc heli? |
| 07:24.44 | viliny | radio controlled |
| 07:24.51 | viliny | +copter |
| 07:24.59 | ZogG_N900 | i do not play |
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| 07:25.06 | viliny | i shouldn't either |
| 07:25.08 | ZogG_N900 | almost nolt |
| 07:25.14 | ZogG_N900 | wine is enuf |
| 07:25.26 | ZogG_N900 | and i bought ps3 anyway |
| 07:25.34 | ZogG_N900 | for gow 3 |
| 07:25.34 | ShadowJK | plays flightgear in linux |
| 07:25.39 | viliny | i don't like consoles one bit - preference really |
| 07:26.06 | ZogG_N900 | anyaway i don't like ubuntu either |
| 07:26.23 | ZogG_N900 | is proud gentoo user |
| 07:26.49 | viliny | i tried going gentoo BEFORE i knew jack about unix - that left me scarred to this day :) |
| 07:26.56 | ZogG_N900 | ubuntu is good for bringing attention but sometimes it's too much |
| 07:27.11 | viliny | read the guide now at my older days and still feel like id rather study to be an astronaut as that would be less trouble :P |
| 07:27.28 | ZogG_N900 | viliny gentoo is my first distro :) |
| 07:27.43 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:27.55 | frals | morning Jaffa o/ |
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| 07:28.12 | ZogG_N900 | i annoyed a lot of people that day i decided to switch to linux |
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| 07:28.46 | ZogG_N900 | viliny actually it's not that hard as it seems |
| 07:28.53 | viliny | advantages of gentoo zog? i have my laptop rinsed out from the previous osses as i resetted the unncessery fake raid it had going on for the sake of less mental detoriation when doing grub :) |
| 07:29.26 | ZogG_N900 | wait |
| 07:29.33 | viliny | you pretty much install the whole thing manually and just compile it bit by bit as you go? |
| 07:29.41 | ZogG_N900 | making coffee and switching to desktop |
| 07:29.57 | Appiah | gentoo has a package manager |
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| 07:30.36 | Appiah | downloads source and compiles |
| 07:30.40 | viliny | okay? .deb based distros seem to have the advantage of more available software... right? |
| 07:30.46 | viliny | oh thats cool |
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| 07:35.44 | ZogG | viliny, i'm back here |
| 07:35.51 | viliny | cool, wb :) |
| 07:36.08 | viliny | ah heh, just understood you were on phone |
| 07:36.29 | ZogG | yeah i woke up and was lazy to get out of bed |
| 07:36.43 | ZogG | anyway i'll tell you like that |
| 07:36.56 | ZogG | if you want to learn and you have time - gentoo is good choice |
| 07:37.12 | ZogG | it will help you to understand a lot of things in linux |
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| 07:38.01 | viliny | well im going to be a student again soon so i might have some time for such things :) |
| 07:38.03 | ZogG | and you will have a lot of problems you wouldn't know to solve |
| 07:38.54 | ZogG | but fuinally you'll configurate it and everything you would need - is update once in several days ( you can use cron) and just use it as it is with no problems |
| 07:39.26 | ZogG | i like gentoo very much |
| 07:39.51 | viliny | yes, ok. But what is your sales pitch for ubuntu over the debian based ones? i mean, you get to go down and dirty on the smallest things isn't exactly inviting at this point :) |
| 07:40.00 | viliny | eh sorry ubuntu = gentoo |
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| 07:40.33 | ZogG | sometimes i help people with other os like ubuntu and so on and i find myself lost cause i used to gentoo - so all these friendly UI is bullsh*t - the important thing is what you are used to |
| 07:40.53 | viliny | yeah :) |
| 07:41.07 | ZogG | viliny, let's say - you have on computer exactly what you set up |
| 07:41.09 | viliny | i find myself going under the hood constantly already with the ones i use |
| 07:41.46 | viliny | is it much faster with everything compiled to your machine? |
| 07:41.50 | ZogG | btw gentoo one of the linuxes with bigest docs =) |
| 07:41.57 | viliny | i hear people saying this but is it like... actually worth it? :) |
| 07:41.58 | loft306 | yopyop |
| 07:42.02 | loft306 | yepyep |
| 07:42.11 | ZogG | viliny, i think it is |
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| 07:42.30 | viliny | i have to give it a try... with the amount of machine i have it really shouldn't be a problem experimenting with this |
| 07:42.41 | viliny | maybe even run it in a virtual machine here at work when i get bored :) |
| 07:42.44 | loft306 | and you lear quicker on it .. by force |
| 07:42.45 | koala_man | viliny: no, absolutely not. there are some good reasons for source based package management, but speed isn't one |
| 07:42.48 | loft306 | learn |
| 07:42.49 | viliny | running mint on a vm here to chat as well |
| 07:43.23 | ZogG | i want to switch to Arch on laptop due lack of use of it and proxy that block everything actually when i do use it at work. but desctop only gentoo |
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| 07:43.44 | viliny | i do like doing manual tasks but theres a fine line between having control and terrible inconvinience :/ |
| 07:44.00 | ZogG | viliny, it only looks like that |
| 07:44.03 | ZogG | it's not that hard |
| 07:44.15 | ZogG | i'm really dumb person and even i have it |
| 07:44.24 | viliny | i just remember seeing the guide and going "uh-oh" :) |
| 07:44.29 | loft306 | and it dosse the compiling for you |
| 07:44.52 | loft306 | you just need time or a fast box |
| 07:45.06 | ZogG | viliny, it's only first times - after that you just do it quick and easy as you understand what which command actually does |
| 07:45.13 | viliny | ill read up on it, thanks a lot guys :) |
| 07:45.17 | loft306 | if you h8 waiting |
| 07:45.34 | viliny | i hate waiting but i love watching stuff compile so.... |
| 07:45.42 | ZogG | if you need any help you can ask right away and there are a lot of gentoo chans on freenode |
| 07:46.07 | ZogG | like gentoo-es gentoo-de and so on in any language you speak =) |
| 07:46.29 | viliny | i bet there is - i'll stop hijacking the maemo channel for gentoo now though :) not that anyones using it for that purpose right now but still |
| 07:46.48 | loft306 | stay away from the main gentoo channel... its a zoo |
| 07:46.52 | viliny | in the end, it's all a big family between distros, right? :) |
| 07:47.09 | ZogG | viliny, you don't really wait to much - you can install also binary on gentoo btw but it lose the point |
| 07:47.18 | ZogG | i compile even Oo |
| 07:47.19 | viliny | aye, i don't want that |
| 07:47.38 | viliny | koala said that speed isn't really an advantage here though... thats a pity |
| 07:47.47 | ZogG | speed is |
| 07:48.53 | viliny | heh, flightgear reminds me of old amiga and early pc flight simulators... i played the heck out of A-10 cuba in the days :) |
| 07:49.00 | ZogG | starting with kernel that is built exactly for your machine on your processor |
| 07:49.17 | viliny | aye that really DOES sound it should make it much better |
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| 07:49.30 | ZogG | and package manager is the easiest i think |
| 07:49.51 | ZogG | as you can have local portage with your own ebuild is pretty good =) |
| 07:49.58 | viliny | standard 20-30 hour installation - holy crap... |
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| 07:50.17 | viliny | portage and ebuild don't ring a bell for me |
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| 07:50.43 | ZogG | viliny, it's not - it's like 1-2 hours maybe and than you just leave it compiling X and all packages you want for a night |
| 07:50.58 | viliny | for a night? wow :P |
| 07:50.58 | ZogG | because working machine =! machine with X =) |
| 07:51.05 | viliny | hehe |
| 07:51.11 | ZogG | i do like that |
| 07:51.19 | ZogG | i boot from ubuntu |
| 07:51.28 | ZogG | set partitions |
| 07:51.32 | ZogG | mount them |
| 07:51.37 | ZogG | chroot in them |
| 07:51.40 | loft306 | builds the base system then kernel then boots into its own kernel then build x if needed |
| 07:51.49 | loft306 | *X |
| 07:51.57 | ZogG | loft306, same here |
| 07:52.06 | viliny | chroot? i see that used and have used chroot for various things but im not sure i fully grasp what it's all about |
| 07:52.16 | ZogG | after chroot i download base and portage npack it |
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| 07:52.30 | ZogG | compile the base things and build kernel |
| 07:52.35 | ZogG | that all i need |
| 07:53.01 | loft306 | yeep on mast machines.. then one with x for my eye candy |
| 07:53.02 | ZogG | reboot - voulya and you have ubuntu running in a meantime |
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| 07:53.41 | loft306 | build it on another part from the running ubuntu |
| 07:53.44 | viliny | im already a bit overwhelmed - theres a lot of keywords thrown around here and in the guide that im not really sure about |
| 07:53.50 | ZogG | i'm thinking to try gentoo on n900 as it ported to arm |
| 07:54.04 | viliny | and im not exactly sure what you use ubuntu for here - apart from partitioting |
| 07:54.26 | loft306 | read the gentoo handbook |
| 07:54.36 | ZogG | viliny, there is GUI installion of gentoo but it sucks and never works for me =) |
| 07:54.41 | viliny | hehe |
| 07:54.48 | ZogG | viliny, okay let's help you step by step |
| 07:54.56 | loft306 | stay away from the install cd |
| 07:55.05 | viliny | im at work right now but i'll appear on the gentoo channel once i decide to tackle this one :) |
| 07:55.05 | ZogG | what box you have x64 or x32? |
| 07:55.10 | viliny | x64 intel |
| 07:55.23 | viliny | an asus g50vt was what i had in mind |
| 07:55.32 | ZogG | so you boot from ubuntu x64 |
| 07:55.40 | loft306 | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/?catid=install#doc_chap2 top of the page handbook |
| 07:56.03 | ZogG | at the begining you can use basic make.config with basic keywords |
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| 07:56.19 | ZogG | anytime you change you can recompile whole world |
| 07:56.39 | ZogG | world is packages you have installed |
| 07:56.53 | viliny | ok... |
| 07:56.59 | viliny | so portage is a package manager |
| 07:57.02 | loft306 | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml#doc_chap5 install from an existing linux system << |
| 07:57.04 | ZogG | yes |
| 07:57.06 | Appiah | like BSD |
| 07:57.27 | ZogG | loft306 meh, he needs quick x86 installiton guide |
| 07:57.30 | ZogG | i always use that |
| 07:57.57 | loft306 | i do it from memory |
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| 07:58.41 | loft306 | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml quick ... but change some things up for x86_64 |
| 07:58.55 | loft306 | mainnly the keyword |
| 07:58.59 | viliny | target laptop: http://hothardware.com/Articles/Asus-G50vt-Gaming-Notebook-Video-Spotlight/ |
| 07:59.05 | loft306 | and other in make.conf |
| 07:59.18 | loft306 | breakies time |
| 07:59.21 | ZogG | loft306, i did as i played with it a lot - for now i haven't done it for a year at list |
| 07:59.46 | ZogG | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml 0- from preparing disk is fine |
| 07:59.52 | viliny | i need to head out for lunch for an hour :) |
| 07:59.57 | loft306 | i havent build a new system in so long like 4 years when i put this box together |
| 08:00.08 | ZogG | okay - so anyway you have me and loft306 |
| 08:00.14 | viliny | i'll get back on this in an hour - thanks a lot for the links and advice :) i guestimate i might be running gentoo in a week ^^ |
| 08:00.22 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 08:00.26 | loft306 | though fixed it a few times when i thought it was beyound repair |
| 08:00.27 | viliny | Hello Khertan |
| 08:00.52 | noobmonk3y | w000ps |
| 08:04.20 | ZogG | loft306, last time i did it i merged from 32 to 64 bit system |
| 08:05.15 | ZogG | and i tried to upgrade (u can't upgrade but i tried to still leave all the stuff i had) so i srewed up and i used a hacks =) was missing some packages |
| 08:05.18 | ZogG | it was wierd |
| 08:05.28 | frals | Stskeeps, you ever heard of a bootreason being "Vg_POw38"? |
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| 08:05.40 | ZogG | couldn't compile something that i need to set up other stuff |
| 08:05.45 | ZogG | it was dependies loop |
| 08:06.01 | ZogG | solved it by coping from other box and than recompiling it |
| 08:06.03 | Stskeeps | frals: if i was drunk and had to type sw_rst32 |
| 08:06.41 | ZogG | loft306, what you think about gentoo on n900 ? |
| 08:06.45 | frals | some guy claiming fMMS reboots his device on launch gets that as bootreason i cant find what it means anywhere >_< |
| 08:07.03 | ZogG | new one? |
| 08:07.16 | loft306 | no idea |
| 08:07.46 | ZogG | i'm so tired of people posting threads about pr1.2 |
| 08:07.53 | loft306 | but dont they have ssome prepriatary parts to the software |
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| 08:08.01 | loft306 | that is stock |
| 08:08.11 | loft306 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:08.40 | loft306 | bbr food |
| 08:08.44 | loft306 | bbl |
| 08:09.03 | ZogG | loft306, but can't you just install them as you install nvidia drivers for example? |
| 08:09.13 | noobmonk3y | frals: I've been looking into boot reason, reasons! and never heard of that one! |
| 08:09.30 | loft306 | i dont know im not that deep on maemo |
| 08:09.41 | ZogG | me too |
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| 08:10.10 | frals | cheers noobmonk3y |
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| 08:10.40 | ZogG | installing sc2 via wine |
| 08:10.53 | loft306 | oh damn.. puter parts not getting here till tomarrow and friday |
| 08:10.55 | noobmonk3y | Thats an odfd one - because there isn't a sane list with descriptions anywhere, not to say it doesnt exist, its just never been reported anywhere |
| 08:10.57 | ZogG | had it for a while never tried |
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| 08:18.52 | ZogG | does wallpapers on maemo support gif? |
| 08:19.28 | mece | test it |
| 08:19.40 | ZogG | and i would =P |
| 08:20.54 | noobmonk3y | what OMAP thingy has the N900 got (Processor i assume?) |
| 08:21.01 | timeless_mbp | i'd hope so, although gifs aren't really a good choice for wallpaper |
| 08:21.11 | timeless_mbp | noobmonk3y: have you considered asking wikipedia? :) |
| 08:21.14 | mece | OMAP3? |
| 08:21.18 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 08:21.22 | noobmonk3y | good point |
| 08:21.37 | noobmonk3y | OMAP 3430 ARM Cortex A8 ty |
| 08:22.00 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, gif wallpaper is a cool idea |
| 08:22.15 | lcuk | color cycling fractal backgrounds without wasting cycles :D |
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| 08:22.33 | timeless_mbp | .... |
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| 08:22.46 | timeless_mbp | you're assuming that somehow you can usefully do that |
| 08:22.47 | florian | good morning |
| 08:22.56 | lcuk | :D |
| 08:23.01 | lcuk | indeed timeless_mbp |
| 08:23.04 | lcuk | mornin florian \o |
| 08:23.09 | mece | yes gifs work *tested* |
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| 08:23.22 | ZogG_N900 | did anyone try xchat on maemo? |
| 08:23.23 | lcuk | do they animate |
| 08:23.33 | lcuk | ZogG_N900, yes |
| 08:23.35 | lcuk | lots |
| 08:23.37 | mece | oh. right taht would be cool! |
| 08:23.37 | lcuk | and lots |
| 08:23.40 | ZogG_N900 | tab is not working |
| 08:23.48 | lcuk | wheres the tab key? |
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| 08:23.55 | mece | ctrl-i perhaps? |
| 08:24.04 | mece | or what do you mean? |
| 08:24.11 | ZogG_N900 | lcuk fn+backspace |
| 08:24.11 | frals | shift space or smth in xchat nick completes |
| 08:24.20 | ZogG_N900 | lcuk, oh |
| 08:24.24 | ZogG_N900 | now it woks |
| 08:24.26 | mece | badass |
| 08:24.28 | ZogG_N900 | wierd |
| 08:24.31 | mece | didn't know that. |
| 08:24.35 | lcuk | +1 resolved |
| 08:24.46 | timeless_mbp | at some point, *someone* has to actually apply the colorspace change |
| 08:24.50 | ZogG_N900 | it's easy for autocomplete nicknames |
| 08:24.59 | timeless_mbp | the screen itself isn't a GIF rendering surface |
| 08:25.14 | ZogG_N900 | mece, it's easy in term ans xchat |
| 08:25.22 | ZogG_N900 | easy = usefull |
| 08:26.00 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, yeah |
| 08:26.05 | lcuk | wazd was asking yesterday |
| 08:26.09 | lcuk | he wants matrix characters |
| 08:26.15 | ZogG_N900 | live wallpaper is nice but useless and would end your batteries imo |
| 08:26.30 | lcuk | and changing a palette is less bandwidth than changing the data it was asked if that was possible |
| 08:26.35 | ZogG_N900 | so it would be cool just to have gifs as wallpaper |
| 08:26.46 | lcuk | ZogG_N900, then only run busy ones when charging/sat at desk |
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| 08:26.49 | lcuk | it doesnt make it useless |
| 08:26.51 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: you're assuming there's a palette somewhere... |
| 08:27.07 | timeless_mbp | the rendering surface is not 256-palettized |
| 08:27.16 | mece | antway, it does not animate gifs. |
| 08:27.24 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, gif is paletted - whether the x11 mode supported it was the question |
| 08:27.27 | ZogG_N900 | lcuk, u can always have widget with daytime |
| 08:27.41 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: gif is, but our x11 display is 16bits |
| 08:27.46 | lcuk | ZogG_N900, your live background could potentially just refresh once every hour with some stuff |
| 08:27.51 | lcuk | it doesnt have to be busy live |
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| 08:27.57 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, yup |
| 08:28.01 | timeless_mbp | so someone gets to convert from palettized gif to 'normal' 16 bits |
| 08:28.12 | timeless_mbp | which means you immediately lose your imaginary win |
| 08:28.15 | ZogG_N900 | but it have heavy animation |
| 08:28.29 | ZogG_N900 | it's like to use video as walpaper |
| 08:28.39 | lcuk | ZogG_N900, that one might |
| 08:28.42 | lcuk | but others wont |
| 08:29.03 | lcuk | it could be as simple as not changing the background itself and just interacting with your other widgets |
| 08:29.15 | lcuk | grouping and herding them to the visible desktop :D |
| 08:29.21 | lcuk | making them run away etc |
| 08:29.24 | ZogG_N900 | i'm talking about that live wallpaper from news the russian guy made |
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| 08:29.40 | lcuk | yes you are talking about one specific badly named single example |
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| 08:30.04 | lcuk | live backgrounds in general can be as busy or as conservative as they want |
| 08:30.07 | lcuk | and users can decide |
| 08:30.17 | ZogG_N900 | i'm thinking how to manage portrait mode and widgets on desktop |
| 08:30.31 | lcuk | thats a different issue |
| 08:30.42 | ZogG_N900 | i know |
| 08:30.56 | noobmonk3y | frals - just counted 18 types of rst(reset types) relating to the N900's processor - and it is not in there!! - so it probably isn't the end of the world! - quite a funky, if very techy document though! |
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| 08:31.08 | ZogG_N900 | just thinking if maemo would ever support it - how would they manage it |
| 08:31.09 | frals | noobmonk3y: got a link? |
| 08:31.37 | noobmonk3y | lol just closed it - hold on got a similar one for another OMAP Processor here - http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru678a/spru678a.pdf |
| 08:31.44 | noobmonk3y | will try and find the other one |
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| 08:35.52 | noobmonk3y | frals - http://bunnitude.com/misc/files/omap/pdf/sprufa5.pdf |
| 08:36.07 | frals | ta! |
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| 08:37.55 | noobmonk3y | page 69 onwards was an odd read! |
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| 08:42.20 | noobmonk3y | frals: You've got me wondering if i can pull out any further reset details from the cpu :P maybe from logs |
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| 08:45.00 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, frals - whats this search about |
| 08:45.10 | lcuk | have you healthchecked yourself into oblivion? |
| 08:46.41 | jacekowski | good morning |
| 08:47.03 | jacekowski | pr 1.2? |
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| 08:47.20 | frals | lcuk: trying to dig up anything about that damn bootreason code |
| 08:47.44 | Stskeeps | nolo prolly sets it |
| 08:48.16 | lcuk | ok the bootreason is specifically? and occured at which point and reproduced itself how? |
| 08:48.27 | lcuk | (i closed my windows |
| 08:48.33 | noobmonk3y | :P |
| 08:48.36 | frals | Vg_POw38, occured after starting fMMS, he claims |
| 08:48.45 | frals | reboots each time he launches fmms |
| 08:48.48 | noobmonk3y | yeah - hunted out a few hundred different components boot reasons now |
| 08:48.55 | frals | ive asked him to create a new thread about it but not dice yet! |
| 08:48.57 | noobmonk3y | trying to determine how that comes up with the few we know off |
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| 08:50.25 | frals | would be nice if there was a list of all bootreasons with a oneline describing them somewhere :P |
| 08:50.49 | frals | oneliner* |
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| 08:52.16 | noobmonk3y | ;) yes fralsw, yes it would ;) |
| 08:52.22 | noobmonk3y | but things never seem to be that easy ;) |
| 08:52.39 | lcuk | wipes that ;) off your face |
| 08:53.39 | noobmonk3y | it seems to be kernel related |
| 08:53.48 | noobmonk3y | gets his spade to dig a bit further |
| 08:56.20 | viliny | hi again :) |
| 08:57.34 | noobmonk3y | heya |
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| 09:02.08 | frals | i dont like people who change their User Agent... only sending "Maemo Browser" is kinda mean if you, like me, likes snooping around the server logs |
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| 09:05.00 | viliny | is there any way to flip that back and forth without uninstalling and installing it again |
| 09:06.12 | wazd | lcuk: timeless_mbp: actually I wasn't asking :D |
| 09:06.33 | lcuk | wazd it was pondering |
| 09:06.40 | viliny | frals: ? |
| 09:06.55 | frals | no clue |
| 09:06.59 | viliny | oh and... some sites give you that damn mobile page in stead of real deal with the default user agent |
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| 09:07.39 | wazd | Nokia-Russia wasn't so excited bout Matrix wallpaper btw :) |
| 09:07.47 | Treibholz | mobile sites don't make any sense on a wide screen... |
| 09:08.10 | auenf | sure they do, if you tilt your head sideways |
| 09:08.32 | Treibholz | most of them are optimized for smaller screens. |
| 09:08.42 | hrw | morning |
| 09:08.55 | timeless_mbp | Treibholz: if you use portrait browsing, mobile sites are vaguely usable |
| 09:08.56 | Treibholz | let's just wait for PR1.2 |
| 09:09.08 | jacekowski | somebody said pr.1.2 |
| 09:10.15 | viliny | hehe, lol at the oc thread... 850mhz low end settings :) |
| 09:10.21 | Treibholz | timeless_mbp: that's why we have to wait. |
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| 09:10.49 | Treibholz | but most of the sites ask me if I want the mobile or the normal version. |
| 09:11.49 | noobmonk3y | pr1.2 = lcuk's version 2 of his bacon sandwich :D |
| 09:12.02 | kebax | I got my mobile broadband working by installing ppp via yum and wvdial from fedora 11 |
| 09:12.22 | lcuk | nahhh noobmonk3y you are bringing bacon sandwich to next meet |
| 09:12.40 | noobmonk3y | oooo yeah, cant have one without it ;) |
| 09:12.44 | kebax | I wonder why the 3G is not working on network applet |
| 09:12.48 | noobmonk3y | i had bacon and brie at the last one :D |
| 09:13.02 | lcuk | such a strange combination |
| 09:14.29 | noobmonk3y | but works ;) |
| 09:14.53 | Treibholz | VCF_FILES=$(ping -I usb0 -w 1 -c 1 $MAEMO_IP 2> /dev/null > /dev/null && (scp user@$MAEMO_IP:.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db /tmp/ > /dev/null && ~/bin/dump_n900_addressbook.py > $MAEMO_VCARD) ; echo $MAEMO_VCARD) |
| 09:14.58 | Treibholz | this is so sick... |
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| 09:16.14 | mece | :) |
| 09:16.47 | frals | bastard noobmonk3y now im hungry :( |
| 09:16.48 | mece | too. OM NOM NOM |
| 09:16.52 | noobmonk3y | frals: Foooooooooooooood glorious foooooooooooooooood! |
| 09:16.55 | Treibholz | but the only way I found to have something working to use the addressbook in mutt. |
| 09:16.58 | nid0 | ditto, i got noodles on now! |
| 09:17.11 | timeless_mbp | Treibholz: technically portrait browsing is available in 1.1 |
| 09:17.27 | timeless_mbp | and the reason you have to wait has nothing to do w/ the browser |
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| 09:17.31 | timeless_mbp | we were done over a month ago |
| 09:18.09 | lcuk | lol @ this: |
| 09:18.11 | hrw | Treibholz: 12 November is getting closer each day |
| 09:18.11 | lcuk | Apart from making most applications crash after a while, the plugin works very well. |
| 09:18.12 | lcuk | I'll package it once the bugs are fixed. |
| 09:18.22 | Treibholz | timeless_mbp: yes, once I triggered a bug, that made everything portrait... |
| 09:18.33 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50419 |
| 09:18.36 | Treibholz | timeless_mbp: how can I switch manually? |
| 09:18.42 | frals | ctrl shift o in browser |
| 09:18.44 | hrw | Treibholz: ctrl-shift-o |
| 09:18.45 | frals | and then just turn device |
| 09:19.00 | frals | lol lcuk |
| 09:19.00 | mece | need to close keyboard to if I recall |
| 09:19.04 | mece | correctly |
| 09:19.20 | Treibholz | ahhhhh |
| 09:20.12 | mece | is going to get a footlong subway today. OH YEAAAH! |
| 09:20.44 | Treibholz | great :-) |
| 09:20.47 | Treibholz | is happy. |
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| 09:21.51 | koala_man | nice feature |
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| 09:23.32 | loft306 | ahhh ha found the bt kb |
| 09:23.40 | mece | anyone here have fheroes2 installed and working? |
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| 09:24.49 | inkbottle | Hi, how do i do to install "fennec"? I don't find it in the list of applications (I know i missed something, but i don't yet know what :) ) |
| 09:25.07 | Treibholz | inkbottle: via the ovi-store |
| 09:25.20 | inkbottle | ? |
| 09:25.32 | frals | http://htxt.it/i/q5yo haha |
| 09:25.34 | viliny | nokia ovi-store |
| 09:25.40 | Treibholz | and fennec is called firefox mobile now |
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| 09:27.18 | nid0 | clearly travel's getting serious |
| 09:27.21 | nid0 | Three Royal Navy ships will be drafted to help return Britons stranded abroad as UK airspace remains restricted. |
| 09:27.44 | frals | lol |
| 09:27.51 | viliny | is the situation that bad in the uk? |
| 09:27.53 | nid0 | not small ships either, two of em are aircraft carriers |
| 09:27.54 | crashanddie | Treibholz: brand recognition |
| 09:27.57 | frals | sweden opened its airspace today \o/ |
| 09:28.13 | crashanddie | frals: doesn't help a lot if you can't go anywhere :P |
| 09:28.23 | crashanddie | frals: "Yes, you can fly from Stockholm to Stockholm" |
| 09:28.30 | crashanddie | frals: but they'll still your luggage :P |
| 09:28.38 | crashanddie | s/still/still love/ |
| 09:28.40 | crashanddie | COCK |
| 09:28.43 | crashanddie | lose** |
| 09:28.48 | frals | can go to northern sweden! |
| 09:28.55 | frals | ;D |
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| 09:29.52 | viliny | crashanddie: you hurt my brain :P |
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| 09:30.13 | crashanddie | viliny: as long as it's only your brain I'm hurting |
| 09:30.54 | viliny | yeah, what do i need that for any way :P |
| 09:31.25 | inkbottle | Hum, i don't get yet what is ovi-store; i mean what is the difference between things that are "install software", and those that are "ovi-store"? |
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| 09:31.37 | Treibholz | inkbottle: ask Nokia. |
| 09:31.54 | crashanddie | inkbottle: ovi-store is a commercial front-end to software distribution |
| 09:32.19 | inkbottle | i'd rather like not to use it, if possible |
| 09:32.30 | crashanddie | then don't use it? |
| 09:32.55 | Treibholz | inkbottle: you may also download the deb manually from firefox.com. |
| 09:32.55 | crashanddie | inkbottle: you don't *have* to use anything |
| 09:33.07 | crashanddie | you'll just won't be able to get specific applications or games |
| 09:33.59 | inkbottle | spending more time there might be solutions for installing firefox though |
| 09:34.10 | crashanddie | firefox, sure |
| 09:34.32 | crashanddie | but games like angry birds, no |
| 09:34.33 | Treibholz | anyway, firefox mobile is not really worth installing. |
| 09:34.35 | inkbottle | in fact i was looking for some noscript stuff |
| 09:34.51 | nid0 | I dont see the issue, what exactly do you have against clicking the "ovi" button on your n900 and downloading firefox? |
| 09:34.51 | inkbottle | Treibholz, thanks |
| 09:35.01 | nid0 | how does the fact that ovi's involved hurt you in any way? |
| 09:35.07 | Treibholz | you need an account. |
| 09:35.15 | viliny | i noticed the ovi icon on the device will not work properly with user agent hidden in microb - BTW |
| 09:35.22 | nid0 | wow, a 20 second signup? |
| 09:35.29 | satmd | the latest recaller package seems to want to rm a file that does not exist |
| 09:35.34 | crashanddie | nid0: "OMGZ!!!eleven!!one ovi is going to track what I use... CONSPIRACIE!!!!" |
| 09:35.44 | Treibholz | nid0: just to install software? |
| 09:36.04 | nid0 | so? |
| 09:36.15 | frals | doesnt mozilla have their own repo up if installing from ovi is so inconvenient? |
| 09:36.21 | nid0 | yep |
| 09:36.32 | Treibholz | would prefer to install applications without authentication. |
| 09:36.43 | crashanddie | again, why? |
| 09:36.51 | inkbottle | nid0, no, i dont fear i will be hurt, it's just i don't like the word (or something like that) |
| 09:37.11 | crashanddie | you don't like "the word"? |
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| 09:37.12 | jacekowski | install chromium |
| 09:37.17 | crashanddie | What. The. Fuck? |
| 09:37.29 | jacekowski | fuck? |
| 09:37.29 | frals | lol |
| 09:37.32 | Treibholz | chromium is very slow on the n900 |
| 09:37.38 | Scelt | fuck? |
| 09:37.51 | jacekowski | weoll, it's wip at the moment |
| 09:37.55 | jacekowski | well* |
| 09:37.59 | jacekowski | it will get better |
| 09:38.10 | jacekowski | and js is like 3x faster than microb |
| 09:39.22 | frals | is there any app to track err.. general performance stuff? i got a pm saying fmms is draining his battery 10-15% faster when its installed |
| 09:39.56 | nid0 | well, battery-eye will be able to confirm whether thats actually happening |
| 09:40.02 | nid0 | wont tell you why tho |
| 09:40.40 | inkbottle | does someone know where are man pages? |
| 09:40.53 | inkbottle | and "less" |
| 09:42.16 | frals | google has man pages, less is available in -devel afaik |
| 09:42.50 | viliny | Hey now that i remember, is there any convenient way of extracting archived files such as zip or rar on the n900? |
| 09:42.52 | inkbottle | frals, i give a look |
| 09:43.08 | viliny | i got some command line program and it worked ok but im kinda expecting a program with a gui for this thing |
| 09:46.35 | viliny | like my 95 had as default fex |
| 09:49.15 | lcuk | o_O RT @ D3MS77 "Put 30 billion euros in unmarked bills in a bag by the gate of the Icelandic embassy in London, and well turn off the volcano" |
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| 09:50.41 | SpeedEvil | frals: I like Stskeeps's little script - it logs accurate instantaneous power use every 5s |
| 09:50.46 | Stskeeps | what script |
| 09:50.57 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 09:51.01 | SpeedEvil | do I mean Stskeeps |
| 09:51.10 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: ? |
| 09:51.26 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 09:51.32 | SpeedEvil | just wokr up |
| 09:53.51 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 09:54.14 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, i hope you changed RS to 20, it's at the top |
| 09:54.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 09:54.39 | ShadowJK | ok |
| 09:55.05 | SpeedEvil | link to it for frals? |
| 09:55.07 | SpeedEvil | also - powertop |
| 09:55.11 | SpeedEvil | also - rebooting |
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| 09:58.03 | achipa | does anyone know what the mad-developer thingy is based on ? sbrsh ? or ? |
| 09:58.03 | viliny | lcuk: i can imagine the volcano with several hundred icelandians pouring in anti-acid pills into the fire :P |
| 09:58.30 | lcuk | http://i.imgur.com/flMMU.gif |
| 09:59.55 | ShadowJK | frals, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar - untar somewhere, go to that place as root in a terminal, for a dump do: ./bq27200.sh for continous monitoring do: ./bq27200.sh 5 (5 is the interval, and the chip itself samples current use at 5.12 second intervals) |
| 10:00.18 | frals | thanks |
| 10:00.20 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: what is it doing? |
| 10:00.44 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, well it's a busybox sh script that talks to a hardware chip. What could go wrong |
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| 10:01.26 | ShadowJK | It talks to the bq27200 battery "gas gauge" chip. Real time power use monitoring, for example |
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| 10:01.40 | jacekowski | nice |
| 10:01.56 | jacekowski | how accurate is it? |
| 10:02.10 | ZogG | so google heard about meego |
| 10:02.25 | ZogG | and now announce to put android source back to kernel |
| 10:02.26 | viliny | google heard about it? |
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| 10:02.49 | ZogG | doest it mean android apps on meego? |
| 10:02.51 | viliny | source back to kernel? |
| 10:03.06 | ZogG | cause i think when it happens now maemo would be alive |
| 10:03.20 | ZogG | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/15/android_linux_kernel_reintegration/ |
| 10:03.56 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, I don't remember what the datasheet says, but as far as the charge tracking goes it seems to be within 1% |
| 10:04.11 | ShadowJK | um, I mean +-1% |
| 10:04.13 | ShadowJK | or something |
| 10:04.22 | Treibholz | ZogG: the kernel has absolutelly nothing to do with it. |
| 10:04.34 | ZogG | it's all about java |
| 10:04.41 | ZogG | once again |
| 10:04.43 | ZogG | i hate java |
| 10:04.51 | ShadowJK | In absolute terms it depends on knowing the size of the sense resistor inside the N900. My current guess is 20mOhm |
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| 10:05.09 | Treibholz | android is just a platform on top of linux. |
| 10:05.19 | ShadowJK | and it's not even java |
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| 10:05.33 | ZogG | Treibholz, so even if android and kernel merged back and java ported - there is still no chance? |
| 10:05.45 | Treibholz | it's a java-derivative called dalvik |
| 10:05.57 | ZogG | i heard that many time |
| 10:05.59 | ZogG | times |
| 10:06.00 | ShadowJK | Anyway, by integrating the current consumption/charge over time, it adds up very close to the Nokia battery's capacity when you do a charge-discharge, and it also adds up to the advertised capacity of the extended mugen battery... |
| 10:06.06 | ZogG | just can't understand how it works |
| 10:06.13 | Treibholz | ZogG: the kernel has nothing to do with it. |
| 10:06.21 | Treibholz | you may port dalvik... |
| 10:06.25 | ZogG | i? |
| 10:06.28 | Treibholz | is dalvik opnesource? |
| 10:06.36 | ShadowJK | You need the entire framework on top too |
| 10:06.47 | ShadowJK | and teach it how to talk to the particular hw it's running on, maybe |
| 10:06.56 | ShadowJK | if you want it to like be able to interface with anything |
| 10:07.00 | Treibholz | apache license |
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| 10:07.05 | ZogG | i can't loop my laces |
| 10:07.43 | ZogG | ShadowJK, i think it would be easier to port apps to specific hw |
| 10:07.45 | lcuk | ask your mum |
| 10:07.51 | Treibholz | and I (personally) wouldn't want any android-apps on my n900. |
| 10:08.04 | lcuk | lily allen just said "i can tie my laces" |
| 10:08.08 | N900evil | I personally would. |
| 10:08.11 | lcuk | o_O |
| 10:08.15 | N900evil | And iphone |
| 10:08.16 | ZogG | i would prefer native apps but because of lack of ones... |
| 10:08.34 | nid0 | help get more available then |
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| 10:08.35 | N900evil | and windows 7, and tomtom, and amiga |
| 10:08.47 | ZogG | what about ps3 games? |
| 10:08.54 | N900evil | those too. |
| 10:09.04 | ShadowJK | In the end running android apps on maemo would make everything pretty slow, I'd imagine :-) |
| 10:09.09 | N900evil | some are less practical than others. |
| 10:09.09 | ZogG | okay - i'll work on it |
| 10:09.28 | Treibholz | ZogG: you can't run more than 2 PS3-games at the same time on the n900, maybe more if you overclock it. |
| 10:09.33 | ZogG | N900evil, but you would like gow3? =) |
| 10:09.37 | N900evil | android apps on maemo are completely possible, and not slow other than ram |
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| 10:09.51 | N900evil | ram contention |
| 10:09.57 | ShadowJK | Yes |
| 10:10.07 | ZogG | Treibholz, it makes me said i would like to run at least 5 ps3 games at the same time |
| 10:10.16 | ShadowJK | It'd be pretty dire, squeezing two operating systems into 256megs |
| 10:10.16 | BCMM | is it possible to get an application to display to another X server? |
| 10:10.24 | Treibholz | ZogG: works on Windows Mobile 7 |
| 10:10.27 | N900evil | ram is a hareder topic than it appears |
| 10:10.30 | marmoute | BCMM: Change he DISPLAY var ? |
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| 10:10.41 | ZogG | Treibholz, they don't have multitasking |
| 10:10.57 | BCMM | i've tried logging in with ssh -X, but $DISPLAY is still :0.0 |
| 10:11.00 | ZogG | fcrozat|lunch, bon appetite |
| 10:11.00 | N900evil | you have the RAM use not only of the app, but the whole framewoek |
| 10:11.06 | N900evil | BCMM: wfm |
| 10:11.12 | BCMM | N900evil: wfm? |
| 10:11.26 | N900evil | BCMM: DISPLAY=whereever:0 |
| 10:11.39 | BCMM | N900evil: i'll certainly try that |
| 10:11.49 | BCMM | but nevertheless, any way to make ssh -X work normally? |
| 10:11.55 | N900evil | BCMM: start app, after allowing on other x server |
| 10:12.00 | N900evil | dunno |
| 10:12.10 | N900evil | never bothered chasing it up |
| 10:12.26 | BCMM | i've even tried ssh -X user@192.168.1.10 <command> |
| 10:12.40 | BCMM | to avoid it starting a shell which could change $DISPLAY |
| 10:12.44 | Treibholz | BCMM: debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing |
| 10:13.00 | Treibholz | BCMM: you need to install xauth |
| 10:13.03 | N900evil | BCMM: are you trying to show stuff on n900 display? |
| 10:13.11 | BCMM | N900evil: other way 'round |
| 10:13.17 | BCMM | N900evil: that works fine with ssh |
| 10:13.25 | N900evil | just display works then |
| 10:13.35 | jacekowski | just use DISPLAY=host:display |
| 10:13.35 | N900evil | and auth the other side |
| 10:13.55 | jacekowski | you just have to run xauth on remote side before doing that |
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| 10:14.47 | BCMM | hmm, -X would be preferable because my X server has -nolisten tcp |
| 10:15.03 | Treibholz | BCMM: you need to install xauth |
| 10:15.08 | BCMM | Treibholz: ok |
| 10:15.09 | BCMM | thanks |
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| 10:16.04 | BCMM | that still doesn't explain why DISPLAY was :0.0 instead of unset |
| 10:16.34 | BCMM | yeah, that works now; thanks |
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| 10:17.23 | BCMM | now, is it possible to start the phone app on my desktop's X server? |
| 10:17.35 | BCMM | i don't know how to start it from a terminal |
| 10:18.01 | BCMM | in fact, i'm assuming it's part of the process that does the desktop and so on, since the process count doesn't change when i start it |
| 10:18.22 | Treibholz | osso-addressbook seems not to work |
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| 10:20.47 | N900evil | frals: powertop and strace will say if fmms is keeping stuff awake |
| 10:21.16 | frals | N900evil: cheers, will take a look at those |
| 10:21.40 | lcuk | fmms is keeping frals awake! |
| 10:22.16 | frals | aye no arguing there |
| 10:22.50 | lcuk | tries to install powertop on frals |
| 10:23.04 | lcuk | eep, it says unsupported platform: cpu missing |
| 10:23.07 | lcuk | :p |
| 10:23.21 | SpeedEvil | frals: fmms does what? It has a resident component? |
| 10:23.36 | frals | SpeedEvil: it got a daemon in the background waiting for sms push notifications |
| 10:23.44 | frals | or well, its started on demand by dbus if its not running |
| 10:23.47 | BCMM | well, x over ssh is all fun but a bit fiddly; which VNC server for maemo would you recommend? |
| 10:23.49 | ZogG | xmms2> Tito & Tarantula - Angry Cockroaches ["Tarantism" 1997] |
| 10:23.55 | frals | and then stays running until killed |
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| 10:24.58 | BCMM | also, is there a graphical way to set up USB networking with a linux computer? |
| 10:25.26 | ZogG | what do you mean networking? |
| 10:25.42 | ZogG | to share internet from n900 or to n900? |
| 10:26.53 | SpeedEvil | also - 'linux' varies |
| 10:27.02 | BCMM | ZogG: well, right now i don't mind about sharing 'net |
| 10:27.06 | ZogG | meh - that is the last thing to care |
| 10:27.15 | ZogG | from where to where? |
| 10:27.20 | BCMM | just having a fast way to move data between the machines (taht isn't mass storage) |
| 10:27.34 | ZogG | oh |
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| 10:27.42 | BCMM | but i would also like to know how to let a computer use the 3g internet |
| 10:27.56 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: install 'wifi hotspot' |
| 10:27.59 | BCMM | also, i don't mind about GUI ways to do it on the desktop - teh desktop i can work out for myself |
| 10:28.00 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: as one option |
| 10:28.12 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: It also has WEP encryption! |
| 10:28.13 | mece | BCMM hmm on some distros you can actually get tethering just by plugging it in. |
| 10:28.17 | ZogG | BCMM i dunno if n900 can be recognized as modem or any device sharing the connection but if it is you can use networkmanager |
| 10:28.18 | SpeedEvil | also that |
| 10:28.30 | BCMM | mece: it gets recognised as a USB network device |
| 10:28.40 | ZogG | that has varies guis (knetworkmanager or gnome gtk gui e.g. |
| 10:28.44 | BCMM | but i've had to manually give an ip address to the n900 and to the desktop... |
| 10:29.14 | BCMM | it would make most sense, for tethering, if the n900 offered a DHCP daemon |
| 10:29.21 | ZogG | wait |
| 10:29.39 | BCMM | waits |
| 10:30.26 | ZogG | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G first of all you would liek to see this |
| 10:30.58 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 10:31.05 | SpeedEvil | wonders if powetop is confused |
| 10:31.08 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.08 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.08 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.04 | Chiku | SpeedEvil, areyou overclocking your n900 ? |
| 10:32.09 | BCMM | ZogG: hmm, when i plugged it into an ubuntu box, it came up as a USB network card, but no ip address |
| 10:32.12 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't think I was |
| 10:32.16 | BCMM | i checked the n900; no ip address there either |
| 10:33.12 | frals | so if powertop reports like 99% in C4 and of the pids none is my daemon, its pretty safe to assume its not doing anything bad in regards to waking up the cpu right? |
| 10:33.14 | SpeedEvil | Chiku: however cat cpuinfo_max_freq |
| 10:33.14 | SpeedEvil | 1150000 |
| 10:33.21 | SpeedEvil | frals: pretty much |
| 10:33.33 | SpeedEvil | frals: there are also side-effects |
| 10:33.37 | ZogG | BCMM what do you use for connection? |
| 10:33.46 | Chiku | did you test firefox, does it usable at 1150mhz? |
| 10:33.46 | BCMM | ZogG: ? |
| 10:33.51 | SpeedEvil | frals: like you might be causing the cell modem to wake up and go to sleep |
| 10:34.00 | SpeedEvil | frals: or something - which eats power |
| 10:34.08 | BCMM | ZogG: do you mean what software? |
| 10:34.13 | ZogG | BCMM, ubuntu standart networkmanager? |
| 10:34.18 | BCMM | ZogG: ifconfig... |
| 10:34.20 | frals | SpeedEvil: yeah... but im not interfacing with any of those :) |
| 10:34.21 | Arkenoi | wonders how much cheapest new n900 cost now (worldwide) |
| 10:34.44 | ZogG | BCMM, nope i mean app |
| 10:35.05 | BCMM | ZogG: was wanting ssh to be a little more responsive that it was over wlan; plugged it into usb in pc suite mode |
| 10:35.10 | Surfa | Arkenoi, just checked that finland price is 499,90 |
| 10:35.20 | BCMM | then used ifconfig on the desktop and on the n900 to create the connection... |
| 10:35.23 | Arkenoi | eur? |
| 10:35.26 | Surfa | Arkenoi, euros of course |
| 10:35.44 | SpeedEvil | frals: I also see no extra power use |
| 10:35.51 | Surfa | sorry for being unclear |
| 10:36.02 | ZogG | BCMM, it's a pity i don't have any ubuntu disk - wait |
| 10:36.03 | Arkenoi | well, there are several places in the world where it costs $500- |
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| 10:36.17 | ZogG | i'll turn my laptop on |
| 10:36.17 | BCMM | ZogG: well, it's not actually ubuntu i'm interested in |
| 10:36.39 | BCMM | right now i'm trying to work out which sort of USB network adaptor it was recognised as |
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| 10:36.45 | ZogG | yeah - but you are interested in gui - is that you said at first place? |
| 10:36.45 | Arkenoi | US and middle east |
| 10:36.46 | Surfa | Arkenoi, most likely yes, finland is not the most cheapest country with taxes |
| 10:36.46 | BCMM | i don't have that driver on my gentoo box |
| 10:36.53 | ZogG | other wise you can make scripts |
| 10:37.04 | ZogG | with udev rule to run when n900 is connected |
| 10:37.06 | Arkenoi | i am trying to figure out absolute minimum |
| 10:37.10 | Surfa | Arkenoi, simply vat has a huge effect on prices here :) |
| 10:37.11 | ensi | anyone happen to know if this bug is going to be fixed in near future? |
| 10:37.13 | ensi | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8014 |
| 10:37.14 | povbot | Bug 8014: WPA2-PSK connection dropped after a few minutes (U.S. Robotics Wireless MAXg Access Point USR5451) |
| 10:37.58 | BCMM | ZogG: interested on not having to open the terminal on the n900 to make the connection |
| 10:38.06 | BCMM | on the desktop, i'm sure i can look after myself :) |
| 10:38.13 | Arkenoi | purchased the most recent one for ~$620 |
| 10:38.26 | BCMM | ZogG: actually, i'd kind of like to see dmesg after plugging the n900 in in pc suite mode |
| 10:38.39 | BCMM | i stupidly didn't make note of hte kernel module that ubuntu used when i connected it |
| 10:39.11 | ZogG | i have it like nokia mobile phone |
| 10:39.38 | BCMM | ZogG: oh, found a useful wiki page |
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| 10:39.49 | BCMM | telling me how to automatically execute commands when going into pc suite mode |
| 10:39.52 | BCMM | taht shold do it for me |
| 10:40.21 | Arkenoi | VAT is 18% here |
| 10:40.32 | BCMM | would somebody be so kind as to tell me which kernel module is used for usb0 (on the other computer) when you plug the n900 into a linux machine? |
| 10:41.16 | ZogG | wait - i'm compiling networkmanager =) |
| 10:41.42 | ZogG | though dunno wich plugins shoould to compile with it =) |
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| 10:42.54 | ZogG | BCMM, does your system see the phone in ifconfig as network adapter? |
| 10:43.12 | BCMM | ZogG: well, on the ubuntu machine i used, the phone turned up as usb0 |
| 10:43.31 | BCMM | i don't have the relevant driver on my gentoo box, but i'm just about to build a new kernel |
| 10:43.49 | MohammadAG | Morning :) |
| 10:44.00 | ZogG | oh you have gentoo too? |
| 10:44.31 | ZogG | BCMM what is the module in kernel for that? dfo you know? |
| 10:44.39 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone point me at a sane overview of overclocking/undervolting? |
| 10:44.47 | BCMM | ZogG: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Kernel_Configuration |
| 10:44.50 | BCMM | just found it |
| 10:44.54 | BCMM | building the kernel now |
| 10:44.59 | SpeedEvil | I can't find anything due to the hordes of enthusiasts. |
| 10:45.24 | BCMM | i really don't see why it doesn't provide DHCP for tethering |
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| 10:45.49 | BCMM | in fact, does it even do tethering over USB? |
| 10:46.01 | BCMM | or will i need to play with netfilter to make it happen? |
| 10:46.46 | ZogG | BCMM, WAIT!! |
| 10:46.52 | ZogG | do not built it yet |
| 10:46.55 | BCMM | ZogG: oh? |
| 10:46.58 | ZogG | found something interesting |
| 10:47.15 | ZogG | the phone network protocol |
| 10:47.21 | ZogG | developed by whome? nokia =) |
| 10:47.32 | ZogG | haha qand it's for maemo =) |
| 10:47.34 | ZogG | sweeet |
| 10:48.13 | ZogG | BCMM, set CONFIG_PHONET=m |
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| 10:48.37 | Termana | SpeedEvil - http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking |
| 10:48.49 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:48.57 | SpeedEvil | I was getting distracted by tmo |
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| 10:51.52 | ZogG | BCMM, herE? |
| 10:51.59 | BCMM | yes |
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| 10:53.43 | BCMM | ZogG: i think that option is for use on the n900 |
| 10:54.16 | ZogG | what? |
| 10:56.03 | BCMM | ZogG: as far as i can see, phonet is for doing low-level things to the 2g/3g network |
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| 10:57.28 | BCMM | ZogG: you may be able to use it on a machine that's connected by USB to an n900 to send raw commands the 3g network |
| 10:57.35 | BCMM | ZogG: but i'm more interested in regular TCP |
| 10:57.44 | SpeedEvil | you can't |
| 10:57.54 | SpeedEvil | the modem isolates all stuff |
| 10:58.04 | SpeedEvil | you can only do 'normal' stuff to the network |
| 10:58.12 | Treibholz | what? |
| 10:58.14 | Treibholz | no. |
| 10:58.49 | Treibholz | I can use the modem via Bluetooth, so i t should be possible, to do it lokally, too. |
| 10:59.07 | ZogG | anyway i'm going to shower and work - i'll play around with it later |
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| 11:02.54 | ZogG | BCMM what country are you from? |
| 11:03.00 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, any chance you can get NHS care package (blt) ? |
| 11:03.02 | BCMM | uk, why? |
| 11:03.20 | ZogG | vodafone ? |
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| 11:05.29 | viliny | is there any kind of vnc server available for the n900? |
| 11:05.36 | Treibholz | yes. |
| 11:05.47 | viliny | server |
| 11:05.50 | viliny | ? |
| 11:05.51 | Treibholz | yes |
| 11:05.59 | viliny | cool... repos already or? |
| 11:06.23 | Treibholz | yes. |
| 11:07.17 | Treibholz | x11vnc |
| 11:07.40 | ensi | yes x11vnc, expect crashing if you change between landscape/portrait mode |
| 11:07.52 | viliny | oh, start the phone etc? |
| 11:08.18 | ensi | vnc server crashing |
| 11:08.19 | viliny | wait... is that like a user script or something? i don't recall seeing any options to switch land/port modes? |
| 11:08.33 | ensi | bring phone app full screen |
| 11:08.42 | ensi | and it switches to portrait automatically |
| 11:08.47 | viliny | ah i see |
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| 11:09.05 | viliny | well that sucks, hope they get it working... |
| 11:09.15 | ensi | "they" ? :) |
| 11:09.23 | ensi | you mean "teh community" |
| 11:09.26 | ensi | (; |
| 11:09.28 | Treibholz | viliny: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 11:09.47 | viliny | control my phone from the desktop without wearing the screen with a stylus |
| 11:10.09 | ensi | viliny: it wont work |
| 11:10.12 | frals | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5DyBkYKqnM lol |
| 11:10.17 | viliny | why ensi ? |
| 11:10.19 | lcuk | viliny, doesnt that kindof hamper mobility? |
| 11:10.21 | Treibholz | maybe with dbus? |
| 11:10.22 | MohammadAG | defeating the purpose of portablity |
| 11:10.32 | pupnik | viliny: that is doable. i control n900 with keyboard / mouse from desktop |
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| 11:10.44 | viliny | yes but i am known to use the device at home too |
| 11:10.47 | ensi | viliny: the screen server will switch off and then your vncviewer will not be usable |
| 11:10.52 | ensi | so you'll have to disable screen saver |
| 11:10.58 | ensi | and that will drain the battery |
| 11:11.15 | viliny | and sometimes i dick around with it when etc. inputting lots of terminal commands and junk - i shouldn't really have to explain this :P |
| 11:11.32 | viliny | well if im using a desktop to controll it i might as well put the charger in |
| 11:11.32 | pupnik | try synergy, viliny |
| 11:11.34 | ensi | viliny: easier just so ssh to the phone if you like to use the terminal |
| 11:11.40 | viliny | thank you pupnik |
| 11:11.56 | pupnik | the n800 binary runs on n900 too |
| 11:12.04 | Treibholz | can't you controll the phone via dbus? |
| 11:12.08 | viliny | ensi: im familiar with ssh and all that, im not looking for alternatives - im specifikally asking for a vnc server and if it is available yet |
| 11:12.16 | ensi | Treibholz: you can if you now the magic (; |
| 11:12.23 | ensi | dbus-send etc. |
| 11:12.57 | ensi | viliny: yeah there is a vnc server but like like i said its not without problems, so i was just suggesting that if you just need to input terminal commands then ssh is better than vnc :) |
| 11:13.04 | viliny | pupnik: last i had a glance at synergy they hadn't updated it in a year, is it still under developement? |
| 11:13.21 | viliny | ensi: absolutely, but i also want the full maemo desktop so :) |
| 11:13.26 | Treibholz | should try to port x2x... |
| 11:13.31 | ensi | viliny: fair enough (; |
| 11:14.21 | pupnik | something like that would be nice vili |
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| 11:15.13 | viliny | pupnik: synergy only lists 2000 as the newest OS on their site, getting worried it's not very current :) |
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| 11:16.35 | pupnik | you can build a newer one |
| 11:16.51 | pupnik | oh win2k |
| 11:17.00 | pupnik | nm |
| 11:17.34 | viliny | using win7k on main desktop... might get tricky & sticky |
| 11:17.52 | viliny | newest files are from 2006 |
| 11:17.59 | viliny | thats a pity |
| 11:19.19 | pupnik | yes, your OS is |
| 11:19.42 | viliny | got 2 linux desktops as well |
| 11:20.16 | pupnik | just teasing |
| 11:20.32 | pupnik | they should update their site |
| 11:21.11 | viliny | is it still under developement then? |
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| 11:21.43 | pupnik | dont know sorry |
| 11:22.25 | Appiah | synergy works fine one W7 |
| 11:22.37 | Appiah | and on Vista |
| 11:22.49 | viliny | but it's the same old version? |
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| 11:23.12 | Appiah | ? |
| 11:23.23 | Appiah | still works |
| 11:23.31 | Appiah | is something broken in that release or what? |
| 11:23.37 | Appiah | what's the problem |
| 11:23.59 | viliny | nvm, sorry - i was just put off by the thought that nobody had updated it in 4 years |
| 11:24.30 | Appiah | well you can always try it :) |
| 11:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~stats |
| 11:24.42 | infobot | Since Mon Apr 19 07:15:27 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 7 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 6 commands. I have been awake for 4h 9m 15s this session, and currently reference 116963 factoids. I'm using about 16560 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 343.92/10.92 child 0.07/0.07 |
| 11:24.47 | Appiah | I'm running it on Ubuntu 9.10 , Vista and Win7 right now |
| 11:25.07 | viliny | okay! |
| 11:25.29 | viliny | sounds promising, any quirks? |
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| 11:30.50 | thomasvs | anyone else have maemo mapper start at zoom level 294 ? |
| 11:32.58 | Appiah | viliny: happens maybe after 2-3 weeks that synergy server needs to be restarted |
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| 11:33.26 | Appiah | I think that problem would go away if the Ubuntu computer was running the server :D |
| 11:33.42 | viliny | hehe, yeah :) |
| 11:33.53 | viliny | but i usually lose that uptime for updates or power outages anyway so |
| 11:34.50 | Treibholz | is there a way to get a "back-button" in portrait-mode in the browser? |
| 11:35.23 | thresh | no |
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| 11:38.07 | viliny | Appiah: where'd you get synergy client for the n900? |
| 11:38.29 | Appiah | I didnt say I'm running synergy on n900 >_> |
| 11:38.57 | Appiah | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=508887 |
| 11:39.12 | viliny | sorry, i assumed :) |
| 11:39.15 | viliny | thanks |
| 11:42.01 | MohammadAG | wants nautilus |
| 11:42.59 | frals | "Has anyone else smelled his #N900? I have updated my #kernel to 900Mhz, and i noticed it smells quite new. Burning new." |
| 11:43.02 | frals | >_< |
| 11:43.14 | viliny | ill take a whiff now |
| 11:43.44 | viliny | just smells like plastic and the leather pouch i keep it in |
| 11:43.47 | viliny | :] |
| 11:43.55 | oscillik | frals: who wrote that?! rofl |
| 11:44.07 | frals | dunno saw it on twitter |
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| 11:44.31 | Disconnect | mine has that new-phone smell. mainly cuz its still on a ups truck :) |
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| 11:45.40 | frals | would be nice if you could force ppl to read first post in a thread before posting |
| 11:45.44 | frals | @ tmo that is |
| 11:47.24 | petur | Treibholz: what about swiping from right to left to go back? |
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| 11:51.04 | viliny | Disconnect: Better hope it doesn't double an fish delivery truck :) |
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| 11:51.12 | viliny | double as an* |
| 11:51.24 | Disconnect | heh |
| 11:52.04 | Disconnect | is off to a brilliant start - ordered from newegg, sent it to the office so i wouldn't have it on my porch all day. except i work from home mondays and also most of tomorrow. sigh. |
| 11:52.28 | viliny | drive to work? |
| 11:52.46 | viliny | have a colleague swing by your place on the way home? |
| 11:52.59 | viliny | have to coffee boy deliver it to you :) |
| 11:53.02 | viliny | the* |
| 11:53.31 | Disconnect | yah i'm gonna swing to work around lunch. its one of the catered-lunch days (m-w-f) so maybe i'll stay for food |
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| 11:55.26 | Arkenoi | well, some people are OCing for several weeks now. If it was *that* bad as we are told, we'd see first unlucky guys who toasted their phones. But there are still none ;-) |
| 11:55.51 | viliny | is midnight commander any good? :P |
| 11:56.07 | viliny | sounds like a muscular dude running around in speedos at night... |
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| 11:56.29 | gouverneur | viliny: you know norton commander? |
| 11:56.38 | viliny | no |
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| 11:57.33 | gouverneur | viliny: so you are about 20 and/or started your PC experience with windows? |
| 11:57.57 | viliny | im 23 and i started with DOS yes |
| 11:58.02 | gouverneur | you knwo total commander |
| 11:58.07 | viliny | well, actually sony msx but thats not relevant |
| 11:58.28 | Arkenoi | wow, you are 23 and you started with msx? cool |
| 11:58.42 | viliny | hehe :) |
| 11:58.50 | Arkenoi | i thought msx is for old farts like me ;-) |
| 11:59.25 | viliny | i guess it is :] i think i was 7 or 8 when i programmed graphical stuff on it... heavily copying from the guide but come on, id' just learned to read :P |
| 11:59.43 | gouverneur | Arkenoi: more like his dad had one lying around back from the days... |
| 11:59.56 | viliny | gouverneur: thats actually true |
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| 12:00.01 | gouverneur | hehe |
| 12:00.07 | viliny | i couldn't afford one at that age :P |
| 12:00.23 | viliny | Amiga held me afloat a good bit after that |
| 12:00.32 | gouverneur | we had a C16 till '94 |
| 12:00.38 | viliny | but yeah, only been doing linux for a year now |
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| 12:01.03 | viliny | so whats norton commander? |
| 12:01.10 | crashanddie | all these years, and you still haven't learnt to use Google? |
| 12:01.21 | viliny | using right now actually |
| 12:01.23 | gouverneur | viliny: ok then... midnight commander, total commander norton commander are basicaly all the same |
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| 12:01.34 | viliny | ok, thanks... |
| 12:01.49 | gouverneur | viliny: total commander is a windows gui though |
| 12:02.00 | crashanddie | viliny: remember the windows explorer on windows 3.1? |
| 12:02.03 | viliny | hey wait, i'we used norton commander |
| 12:02.05 | sp3000 | you forgot wing commander |
| 12:02.06 | viliny | heh |
| 12:02.13 | sp3000 | that's, like, almost the same thing right :P |
| 12:02.17 | MohammadAG | GNOME commander is a clone of them :) |
| 12:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: are you sue? |
| 12:02.30 | viliny | :] |
| 12:02.31 | gouverneur | sp3000: usable with a joystick right? |
| 12:02.46 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: no, he's julie |
| 12:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~spank Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC |
| 12:03.02 | infobot | ACTION bends Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC's pasty white buttocks. |
| 12:03.38 | viliny | okay this is all coming back to me now... |
| 12:03.43 | gouverneur | hehe |
| 12:04.11 | viliny | got some qbasic flashbacks im not entirely sure im enjoying :) |
| 12:04.20 | Wolfie | qbasic was the best |
| 12:04.32 | gouverneur | viliny: just a tool to see two directories and move stuff around and do fancy tricks for file handling |
| 12:04.37 | Wolfie | especially the moment when I understood that I actually could write cheats into Nibbler |
| 12:04.38 | viliny | yessir |
| 12:04.57 | viliny | wolfie, i made the ape-game go bananas (pun intended) |
| 12:05.04 | Wolfie | that must've been one of the decisive moments in my life :) |
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| 12:06.07 | BCMM | i don't know how off-topic hardware is |
| 12:06.20 | BCMM | but does nokia make a higher-capacity battery for the n900? |
| 12:06.31 | gouverneur | Wolfie: yeah remember doing Beethoven with a qBase script, output with PCspeaker |
| 12:06.32 | Wolfie | viliny: i don't think I touched it that much |
| 12:06.32 | Wolfie | I was, after all, about 8 years old at the time :) |
| 12:06.32 | viliny | hehe, yeah |
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| 12:06.32 | viliny | wonder if modern youth would challenge them with that sort of stuff now that they don't have to |
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| 12:06.32 | viliny | my guess is no |
| 12:06.32 | lupine_85 | no, but you can get them |
| 12:06.34 | viliny | never saw one for the 95 |
| 12:06.37 | gouverneur | BCMM: never |
| 12:06.56 | BCMM | gouverneur: and the 3rd party ones are given to exploding? |
| 12:06.56 | Wolfie | BCMM: the definite answer would be to go to the nokia store, choose the n900, and see which accessories it suggests for it |
| 12:07.07 | viliny | is the mc i repos for n900? |
| 12:07.14 | Wolfie | but i'm remembering too that there's no official nokia battery |
| 12:07.20 | lupine_85 | http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900.html |
| 12:07.28 | gouverneur | BCMM: I wont touch anything till my warranty is worn out |
| 12:07.32 | viliny | i have one of those mugens arriving in the mail atm |
| 12:07.34 | lupine_85 | I don't actually have one |
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| 12:07.41 | stefan_e | lol they are big as hell |
| 12:07.46 | lupine_85 | meh |
| 12:07.49 | viliny | ShadowJK has a mugen battery and keen on sharing |
| 12:07.58 | lupine_85 | doesn't have problems with the existing battery |
| 12:08.06 | lupine_85 | it lasts all day, what more can one want? |
| 12:08.15 | viliny | think lupine_85 has several original batteries on a belt round his waist |
| 12:08.22 | lupine_85 | nope, just the one |
| 12:08.37 | viliny | yeah im actually not that dissapointed with the original battery either |
| 12:08.37 | BCMM | hang on, are those aftermarket batteries that are so big they come with a replacement rear case? |
| 12:08.40 | gouverneur | the day after that I will get in my companies clean room and disect, replace the kbd, bond the usb... |
| 12:08.56 | viliny | BCMM: yes, if nokia could have made a better battery in the same size they would have done it |
| 12:09.02 | BCMM | fair enough |
| 12:09.11 | gouverneur | BCMM: what are you doing to your device? I got 3 days uptime with always on wifi |
| 12:09.26 | BCMM | gouverneur: i haven't had it long enough to know if i'm bothered by it |
| 12:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | gouverneur: have fun :-/ |
| 12:09.31 | viliny | that sounds great gouverneur, i get around 1,5 with most stuff turned off |
| 12:09.31 | BCMM | gouverneur: just curious so far |
| 12:10.07 | gouverneur | viliny: hmm |
| 12:10.07 | gouverneur | viliny: widgets? |
| 12:10.07 | MiXu- | I've got no problem either. Usually I can use the N900 for two days without charging. |
| 12:10.16 | MiXu- | If I use it alot during the day then it's one day. |
| 12:10.21 | gouverneur | DocScrutinizer: I will have cause I guess I will have a new device then anyway |
| 12:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | gouverneur: to be more constructive... Take damn care of the FPC |
| 12:10.32 | BCMM | gouverneur: does a mobile data connection draw more power than wifi? |
| 12:10.33 | viliny | think i get about 8 hours of constant emulator usage - perhaps 2 days if i don't dick around with it much and 1,5 if use it as a mp3-fm transmitter in the car... which uses surprisingly little battery |
| 12:10.40 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: yes - _lots_ more |
| 12:10.46 | viliny | gouverneur: not many widgets at all |
| 12:10.49 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: for a 1s ping - maybe a hundred times more |
| 12:10.52 | BCMM | oh, i guess that makes a lot of sense actually |
| 12:11.06 | viliny | gouverneur: inactive pedometer and some todo-widgets but nothing that constantly updates |
| 12:11.08 | BCMM | yeah, i flattened it once by forgetting to turn that off |
| 12:11.13 | gouverneur | MiXu-: yeah turning on music and gps gets me down to a day or two (something like 32h I guess) |
| 12:11.17 | MohammadAG | hates how the end key doesn't work in the browser |
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| 12:12.50 | viliny | can't find midnight-commander in repos |
| 12:12.50 | viliny | where'd you get it? |
| 12:12.50 | MohammadAG | mc |
| 12:12.51 | MohammadAG | search for mc |
| 12:12.56 | gouverneur | BCMM: especialy cell-network drains a lot, bad connections like in building keep it active and power up to hold it |
| 12:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | viliny: you noticed the search options in hildon appmanager? |
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| 12:13.54 | mece | FYI: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=617595&postcount=44 |
| 12:13.54 | gouverneur | I turned wifi to 10mW and saved at least 1 day with it |
| 12:14.01 | BCMM | gouverneur: yeah, i know about phones increasing power to reach distant masts |
| 12:14.28 | pupnik | gouverneur: the community additions for cell radio control are great |
| 12:14.31 | mece | does anyone remember if Heroes of Might and Magic use rightclick for something? |
| 12:14.34 | BCMM | gouverneur: my old phone that did only phone calls and texts over GSM would go flat noticably faster on trains |
| 12:14.41 | viliny | DocScrutinizer: yes, Midnight gave me null |
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| 12:14.44 | BCMM | (always moving in and out of range) |
| 12:14.50 | viliny | thanks MohammadAG ! |
| 12:14.53 | gouverneur | PR1.0 about 18hours... tweaking and following PRs made it to those +3days |
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| 12:15.09 | MohammadAG | np :) |
| 12:15.16 | ufa | hi |
| 12:15.17 | pupnik | mece: how about camera button activates right-click? |
| 12:15.25 | ufa | I cannot use my n900 as a modem on fedora |
| 12:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | viliny: probably you've not noticed the "search in name and description" option then, despite you claim you did |
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| 12:15.36 | mece | I was asking if it needs it. not how to modify it. |
| 12:15.41 | ufa | it says: cdc_acm 1-1:1.6: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is not a modem. |
| 12:15.50 | mece | pupnik, ctrl-click is my method though |
| 12:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | or you had a typo in your searchstring |
| 12:16.02 | ufa | it works on debian though |
| 12:16.04 | viliny | i did not claim anything - i just told you that im aware of the search function in the repository |
| 12:16.15 | pupnik | do you set that up in xmodmap mece ? |
| 12:16.21 | viliny | i don't tend to use it a lot though so i had missed the specific searches |
| 12:16.26 | mece | pupnik, no, modify source |
| 12:16.36 | pupnik | ok :) |
| 12:16.38 | gouverneur | BCMM: hehe you know speed is an issue, keeping connections on fast moving vehicles is possible but not expected |
| 12:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | viliny: or you have no *-devel repo enabled |
| 12:16.51 | viliny | i have all repos enabled |
| 12:16.59 | mece | pupnik, I don't know about configs and xmodmaps, so I rather do it in c++. |
| 12:17.05 | viliny | lift me up from the sandbox and onto the swings in your please :P |
| 12:17.10 | viliny | in your mind* |
| 12:17.11 | pupnik | mece same here |
| 12:17.33 | mece | pupnik, anyway, the game is actually pretty smooth |
| 12:17.47 | pupnik | i think other people would appreciate that feature |
| 12:17.57 | mece | pupnik, rightclick? |
| 12:18.06 | pupnik | ayeah |
| 12:18.14 | mece | but does the game use rightclick? |
| 12:18.18 | pupnik | dunno |
| 12:18.35 | mece | if it doesn't I don't want to bother actually modding it, since it works as-is. |
| 12:19.01 | gouverneur | viliny: as far as I am concerned... are you sure about using devel as you seem not to be that experienced with linux?! |
| 12:19.11 | mece | if someone replys to the thread that it's needed, I'll mod it, if I can. |
| 12:19.17 | mece | anyway. gotta go. try the game, it's nice., |
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| 12:19.48 | gouverneur | ufa: I guess the easiest way is to setup usb networking |
| 12:20.03 | gouverneur | so it works in all places the same |
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| 12:20.19 | mece | one more thing |
| 12:20.35 | ufa | but why it works with Network_manager on ubntu and debian |
| 12:20.35 | mece | can I say some semi-legal stuff here without getting maemo into trouble? |
| 12:20.54 | BCMM | is it possible to install Synergy? |
| 12:20.56 | mece | eh better not. |
| 12:20.56 | ufa | just in fedora it doesnt :( |
| 12:20.58 | mece | tata |
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| 12:22.36 | pupnik | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8629609.stm Just fly at 12,500 feet, never cross the ash. Charge passengers for the extra fuel. |
| 12:22.57 | loft306 | duh |
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| 12:29.34 | viliny | gouverneur: well i'we taken some shortcuts here and there but been messing around with linux a lot lately... yes im sure i have all the repos added to the n900 |
| 12:31.44 | gouverneur | viliny: the question is not if it is active but if you are sure you are able to handle a f*** up device without reflashing it all the time you do |
| 12:32.12 | viliny | okay well yeah im pretty confident - lets stop before this gets any more patronizing |
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| 12:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | takes a note a patch xchat & konversation to implement tags to users |
| 12:37.00 | viliny | # Viliny "Newbie" ? :P |
| 12:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | nah, overclocker |
| 12:37.25 | viliny | ah, i see... but what personal gain do you get from that? |
| 12:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | helps me with my rotten old brain |
| 12:38.10 | viliny | okay - first thought was to invalidate my concerns because my device is overclocked :) |
| 12:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | quite to the point :-P |
| 12:38.52 | gouverneur | viliny: its like a group feature, show all ppl with tags 'canada', 'work' and 'booking' |
| 12:39.36 | viliny | yes, got that :) |
| 12:39.45 | gouverneur | there is more than only one useful case for tagging ppl |
| 12:39.59 | viliny | yes.... |
| 12:40.33 | gouverneur | my email alias list is something like $location.$company.$lastname.$firstname |
| 12:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | tags noobmonk3y as premium troll |
| 12:41.00 | viliny | yup |
| 12:41.27 | noobmonk3y | has troll stamped on his forehead |
| 12:41.27 | viliny | useful if you want to list all the employed canadians in the channel i guess |
| 12:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | changes noobmonk3y' tag to 'see forehead' |
| 12:42.01 | noobmonk3y | at least i'm a friendly troll, and not a grumpy fcucker ;) |
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| 12:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | tags DocScrutinizer with 'beware! Old grumpy fart' |
| 12:43.03 | viliny | hehe, mod to change battery indicator icons to doom wounded face... nice |
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| 12:43.58 | noobmonk3y | lol |
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| 12:45.40 | flux | actually what would be nice would be the doom disk icon appear whenever the device is swapping |
| 12:45.58 | flux | but I guess that'd need to be implemented in the kernel so that it'd be responsive and produce little load in itself |
| 12:46.18 | viliny | doom disk icon? |
| 12:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | points to load applet |
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| 12:46.42 | flux | docscrutinizer, it shows paging? |
| 12:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, when memory usage is maxed out, you'd expect it's swapping. But no, it doesn't show the particular page-miss |
| 12:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless it's the natural candidate to implement this extended function |
| 12:49.45 | X-Fade | It seems swapping is done quite agressively though. |
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| 12:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, some guys feeling venturous twiddled with the settings (in /proc ?) for swappiness |
| 12:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | and relatives |
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| 12:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | but I seem to see your point - it's swapping even when memory isn't at 100% usage |
| 12:52.45 | RST38h | yep |
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| 12:53.08 | nid0 | decreasing swappiness should be perfectly safe, I lowered mine a while back |
| 12:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote - my device isn't in Finland. So no delays caused by sending back postponed due to ashes |
| 12:53.37 | RST38h | did it help? |
| 12:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 12:54.50 | nid0 | tbh I cant say there's any visible improvement, but there's also no worsening, and i'm happy knowing the device is swapping less often when it has ram available |
| 12:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | probably hard to answer by a simple yes/no |
| 12:55.14 | Treibholz | hmm, swappiness is set to 100 by default?! |
| 12:55.18 | nid0 | yeah |
| 12:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | yep, think so |
| 12:55.34 | Treibholz | that's higher than on my workstation... |
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| 12:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | tuning such parameters is a high art - its effects are subtle |
| 12:56.47 | Treibholz | tries 50 now. |
| 12:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | while some usecases might be faster, others may slow down |
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| 12:57.05 | nid0 | i've ended up sticking with 60 - some people on tmo are reporting their device being perfectly fine at 30 and getting battery life improvements from it |
| 12:57.24 | nid0 | though unless you're really hammering your device hard, i'm tempted to put any noticeable battery life change down as fud |
| 12:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | and a lot more sensible than messing around with OC ;-P |
| 12:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: the placebo syndrome |
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| 12:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | veeeery common on system tuners |
| 12:58.36 | nid0 | yeah basically |
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| 12:59.26 | Treibholz | as I said before, the CPU is not the problem. |
| 12:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | I usually observed reported results are the better the harder the tweaking had been ;-P |
| 13:00.22 | GAN900 | yawns |
| 13:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | moos at GAN900 |
| 13:00.52 | GAN900 | If anybody's still in SF this morning and looking for time to kill, I'm in the airport area. |
| 13:00.58 | GAN900 | Yo, DocScrutinizer. |
| 13:02.12 | Disconnect | is the maemo community still focussed around forums or have they moved up into the 90s with email lists? :) |
| 13:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: CPU becomes a problem when you learn about electromigration caused by OC the hard way |
| 13:02.46 | Treibholz | Disconnect: unfortunatelly there is to much in forums. |
| 13:02.56 | GAN900 | Disconnect, depends on how you define "community". :) |
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| 13:03.13 | Treibholz | forums are a very, very slow way of communicating and readling subjects. |
| 13:03.16 | GAN900 | Disconnect, there has always been tons of activity on the forums, lists and IRC. |
| 13:03.34 | GAN900 | Disconnect, all three of which have been around since 2005. :) |
| 13:03.43 | Disconnect | GAN900: for example, half of the android 'bleeding edge' stuff is on xda-dev forums. the interesting bits are on mailing lists w/ google groups for web-centric readers.. |
| 13:03.50 | ufa | does anybody here is using n900 as a modem on Fedora? |
| 13:04.05 | Arkenoi | Is there a way to remove "old" profiles applet from menu in favor of profilesX? |
| 13:04.08 | Disconnect | GAN900: yah. just saying. forums are very 1980s-bbs.. you go to this place, you read it in their format with their software, etc. :) |
| 13:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | profilesX? thought that's been tweakr formerly |
| 13:05.19 | Arkenoi | it looks better than tweakr |
| 13:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: couldn't agree more |
| 13:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: aah |
| 13:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: alas it's virtually impossible to tear down a forum once it exists. On openmoko we always refused to install company-driven forum, and eventually when bitching was too annoying we got that freaking js-frontend which my brain refuses to remember the name of it |
| 13:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | (for the ML) |
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| 13:09.32 | Disconnect | yah. i'd -much- rather see a ml with google groups (or MARC, or similar) than "oh its a forum, good luck with that".. if its an ML I can read it on a dozen devices (with push notification ;) ..) plus at least 1 web interface of my choosing (webmail). if its a forum .. ugh. and i have to poll for changes. |
| 13:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | nabble - WAAAAAH |
| 13:10.12 | Disconnect | ok so check this out. i get my n900 later today (yaay!) and I got invited to http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/apr/HQ_M10-057_SDO_1st_Light.html :) :) |
| 13:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: our words - to the point |
| 13:10.41 | Disconnect | BUT that means I have a dilemma. I'm expected to tweet it. do I use the g1 (crappy photos/video but great twitter clients) or do I use the n900 (no idea about clients but takes decent pic/vid) |
| 13:10.58 | Disconnect | oh and the battery has gotta last 6 hours while doing it.. |
| 13:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: battery needs an initial good charging |
| 13:11.58 | RST38h | And you kinda expect us to suggest that you use G1? |
| 13:12.02 | Disconnect | ok i have hopefully 48 hours to do that |
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| 13:12.15 | DocScrutinizer | then use N900 :-D |
| 13:12.48 | Disconnect | RST38h: i expect to get a reasonable answer - i have (effectively) zero time to get up to speed, learn the clients, etc. if thats not feasible, then i'll delay the transition until after the event. |
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| 13:13.11 | Disconnect | i know zero about whats available for tweeting on the n900. esp with video posting (if it was just straight twitter i'd use the browser and be fine) |
| 13:13.23 | RST38h | Oh well, the clients are available from Extras / Extras Testing repositories |
| 13:13.25 | Treibholz | mauku is ok |
| 13:13.46 | RST38h | The battery will last 15h in "normal" operation, 5h under heavy load. |
| 13:14.02 | RST38h | May want to drop power supply into your pocket, just in case. |
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| 13:14.06 | Disconnect | ok cool. probably this'll be closer to 8 hours than 15 but thats more than enough. i can charge at work before/after. |
| 13:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to get a spare battery at your nearest Nokia shop |
| 13:14.22 | Disconnect | yah. they aren't sure about the venue - moved from air&space to newseum, so they don't know about wifi, power points, etc. |
| 13:14.29 | Treibholz | always has the USB-Cable with him. |
| 13:14.35 | Disconnect | the nearest shop was NYC.. yeah.. |
| 13:14.45 | Disconnect | is in wash dc |
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| 13:14.53 | RST38h | Yea |
| 13:15.09 | RST38h | If you have got TMobile SIM, it should work fine in N900 |
| 13:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | USA tzzz |
| 13:15.21 | Disconnect | yah that part i'm not worried about. and 3g coverage downtown is great recently |
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| 13:15.57 | RST38h | The low light performance of the camera is kinda shitty and it has no zoom, keep that in mind |
| 13:16.05 | Disconnect | trust me, its -way- better than the g1. |
| 13:16.23 | RST38h | In perfect conditions though, it is about as good as a low-cost point&shoot |
| 13:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | no zoom? |
| 13:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | no *optical* zoom |
| 13:17.02 | RST38h | no real (i.e. optical) zoom |
| 13:17.09 | RST38h | Digital "zoom" does not count. |
| 13:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes |
| 13:17.26 | Macer | ok |
| 13:17.30 | Macer | i just ordered my n900 |
| 13:17.38 | RST38h | *again*? |
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| 13:17.41 | Macer | i swear if an n910 comes out next week i will be pissed |
| 13:17.50 | Macer | RST38h: heh.. it was messing up earlier |
| 13:17.55 | Macer | i was getting it from dell |
| 13:17.57 | SpeedEvil | Macer: aren'yt you in the EU - I forget |
| 13:18.02 | Macer | no |
| 13:18.05 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:18.06 | Macer | chicago |
| 13:18.08 | Disconnect | digital zoom is called 'cropping' |
| 13:18.17 | SpeedEvil | Honest digital zoom |
| 13:18.26 | crashanddie | Disconnect: depends, not on all cameras |
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| 13:18.42 | Macer | RST38h: i didn't order it a long time ago. i was going to but then i decided against it |
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| 13:18.50 | Disconnect | btw g1 video exampl: http://www.twitvid.com/KXESS it was super bright and loud. note the jello effect when the camera shifts :/ as long as it can beat that its ok :) |
| 13:18.55 | Macer | i learned that mistake from the AI Touchbook |
| 13:19.00 | Macer | always give things a couple of months ;) |
| 13:19.06 | RST38h | Macer: Ah =) |
| 13:19.09 | Macer | haha |
| 13:19.14 | SpeedEvil | wrt camera - light |
| 13:19.16 | RST38h | Hey, you can still order Pandora, it is still coming! |
| 13:19.16 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=481097#post481097 |
| 13:19.20 | Macer | i waited and wanted to see if it sucked |
| 13:19.23 | Macer | RST38h: haha |
| 13:19.28 | Macer | i was all amped up for the touchbook |
| 13:19.30 | RST38h | Engadget says Pandora looks more promising every week! |
| 13:19.39 | Macer | and when i got it.. it was the biggest piece of shit i've ever used |
| 13:19.47 | Disconnect | btw newegg had it for $518 delivered next-business-day (ok cuz i ordered friday :) ..) |
| 13:19.48 | Macer | isn't a pandora like an omap3 gaming unit? |
| 13:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: lol |
| 13:20.17 | pupnik | yes macer |
| 13:20.23 | Macer | why would anybody care about a pandora anymore? |
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| 13:20.33 | Macer | sure 4 years ago when it was announced it was awesome |
| 13:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | gread d-pads |
| 13:20.37 | RST38h | Macer: Out of morbid curiosity? |
| 13:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | great |
| 13:20.47 | Macer | but if it came out now it would just be some omap3 thing |
| 13:20.48 | Macer | :) |
| 13:20.55 | Macer | which everyting is going to be anyways |
| 13:21.18 | Macer | all that i know is that the touchbook was the worst thing i have ever bought .. EVER |
| 13:21.22 | Macer | haha |
| 13:21.25 | pupnik | macer, you are failing to acknowledge what makes pandora unique |
| 13:21.48 | Macer | pupnik: the fact that it has 1,000,000,000 preorders for something that will never be real ? :) |
| 13:21.58 | crashanddie | pupnik: bad timing, worse development and horrendous sales? |
| 13:22.13 | E0x | heh |
| 13:22.17 | RST38h | pupnik: and what makes it unique? |
| 13:22.31 | Disconnect | http://twitpic.com/15pxaj is an example of a well-lit restaurant pic (g1 again). if the n900 can beat that, i'm fine. :) (i really miss my e90 for pics.) |
| 13:22.31 | Macer | can it play DS games? |
| 13:22.34 | Macer | haha |
| 13:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | raster and me planned to cooperate with pandora to build the OM+ (aka rasterphone) based on that. Wonder why it never happened XP |
| 13:22.38 | Disconnect | ugh tmo is not responding |
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| 13:22.47 | Macer | Disconnect: the cam on the g1 sucks ass |
| 13:22.52 | Disconnect | yah |
| 13:22.55 | Macer | the n900 has a camera similar to an n95 |
| 13:23.08 | Macer | which was an awesome phone :) |
| 13:23.12 | E0x | hmm , sometime i get timeout from talk.maemo.org , somebody is happening the same ? |
| 13:23.13 | Macer | i miss my n95 |
| 13:23.14 | crashanddie | Disconnect: that's a seriously crappy pic, yeah, the N900 will beat that hands down |
| 13:23.15 | Macer | but i could do att anymore |
| 13:23.35 | Macer | n95 does h264 dvd quality video too doesn't it? |
| 13:23.38 | Macer | like the n95 did? |
| 13:23.39 | E0x | Macer: n95 not have better quality in video recording ? |
| 13:23.49 | Disconnect | crashanddie: it wasn't floodlit (it does ok with slow motion/still shots in the sun) but it wasn't dark. that looks like "romantic dinner" light, but it was actually "crabshack and bar" bright :) |
| 13:23.51 | Macer | video recording on a g1? |
| 13:24.05 | Macer | my n95 was like a no kidding camcorder haha |
| 13:24.11 | Macer | great video |
| 13:24.15 | crashanddie | Disconnect: that's what I'm saying: that's a seriously crappy picture |
| 13:24.15 | E0x | better that n900 |
| 13:24.17 | Disconnect | Macer: see my twitvid link above for video. and that -was- floodlit. |
| 13:24.22 | Macer | didn't really kill the battery too bad either |
| 13:25.01 | Arkenoi | wonders if 850MHz/1.2V is worse for cpu life than 600MHz/1.35 (stock) and if yes, how can it be ;-) |
| 13:25.07 | E0x | talking about battery , i active 3g in my n900 and damn that thing eat a lot of battery power |
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| 13:25.42 | Arkenoi | e0x: i guess you never seen really nasty 3g networks and do not know how really *bad* looks |
| 13:25.44 | E0x | was the first time i saw the power bar in red in my 3 week of use |
| 13:25.45 | E0x | of n900 |
| 13:25.45 | Macer | E0x: i think 6 hours was what it normally lasts |
| 13:25.56 | Disconnect | Arkenoi: voltage isn't amperage ? :) |
| 13:26.22 | E0x | Arkenoi: true is my first time working with some 3g network |
| 13:26.26 | Arkenoi | complete battery drain in two hours and inability to charge while data transmission is active (phone shows it is charging but actually it is draining) |
| 13:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: for all that matters either 850/1.2 is freaking wacky and instable, or 600/1.35 is a major brainfuck |
| 13:26.40 | Arkenoi | i've seen network spots *that* bad ;-) |
| 13:26.50 | ToJa92 | I have had 3G activated for ~8 hours now, almost full battery bar :D |
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| 13:27.10 | E0x | Arkenoi: so you say that kind of power drain is because nasty 3g network ? |
| 13:27.17 | Disconnect | Arkenoi: g1 can do that - bring the brightness up and use gps+heavy 3g data. or gps+heavy cpu. (eg google navigate) |
| 13:27.40 | E0x | my network switch a lot from 3g to 3.5g is this normal ? |
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| 13:27.47 | Disconnect | doesn't need bad reception, just simple physics - it can only draw about an amp, but it can use about 1.2 or so at full omg -voooom- usage. |
| 13:27.51 | Arkenoi | e0x: yep. i thought my phone is failing first time i seen it. and it was *different* phone that time |
| 13:27.58 | Disconnect | i'd be surprised if the n900 couldn't do that also. lots of devices can. |
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| 13:30.16 | E0x | in another topic , i was doing some research for try to do a app that can control mediaplayer with headset control and i find a thread about some app that do that but was outdated read the whole thread look like n900 dont registre dbus call of headset button |
| 13:30.38 | E0x | only in phone mode , look like driver/kernel things |
| 13:30.42 | E0x | any clue about this ? |
| 13:31.18 | E0x | this is something that you can wait be fixed in PR1.2 ? |
| 13:31.35 | E0x | a least expose in all moment the dbus calls ? |
| 13:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: nevertheless keep in mind the OMAP3xxx has smartreflex autonomous regulator functionblocks that don't care about any core voltage setting and adjust current for some subsystems so it meets the clockfreq requirements |
| 13:32.04 | timeless_mbp | E0x: i doubt it |
| 13:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: so even at 800/1.2 the current in some subsystems may be higher than at 600/1.35 |
| 13:32.57 | E0x | timeless_mbp: could nice if they only make haeadset dbus call be listen all the time |
| 13:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: and as you for sure won't outsmart the TI engineers, I strongly recommend not to try to do so, based on a rather poor understanding of the complex background |
| 13:33.59 | timeless_mbp | E0x: would you like to wait 10 years, or 11 years for the next software update? |
| 13:34.16 | timeless_mbp | every "feature" request someone makes potentially delays shipping the product by 2 months minimum |
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| 13:34.58 | Disconnect | timeless: er, mms was a feature request. istr it didn't delay shipping at all, so the community filled it in :) |
| 13:35.07 | Arkenoi | timeless, and they kill a kitten as well |
| 13:35.11 | E0x | heh |
| 13:35.19 | timeless_mbp | Disconnect: E0x didn't ask the community to do it |
| 13:35.25 | timeless_mbp | he asked nokia to change stuff |
| 13:35.27 | timeless_mbp | which reminds me |
| 13:35.32 | timeless_mbp | owes frals a lookup |
| 13:35.33 | E0x | i ask only expose the dbus call |
| 13:35.36 | Treibholz | who the hell uses mms? |
| 13:35.38 | E0x | and the comunity do the rest |
| 13:35.40 | timeless_mbp | E0x: that's a change in code |
| 13:35.46 | Treibholz | knows nobody |
| 13:35.47 | timeless_mbp | 2 months setback, minimum |
| 13:35.48 | noobmonk3y | Treibholz: I sent another MMS today wohoooooooo |
| 13:35.52 | E0x | 50/50 is fair for me |
| 13:35.53 | E0x | :D |
| 13:35.54 | Disconnect | Treibholz: spoken like a true iphone user ;) ;) |
| 13:35.57 | noobmonk3y | also thinks frals may have sent one or two |
| 13:35.57 | timeless_mbp | i'm asking. do you want to wait 10 years or 11 years for the next service release? |
| 13:36.04 | timeless_mbp | (which is already overdue) |
| 13:36.08 | Treibholz | Disconnect: I never used it on any other phone as well! |
| 13:36.21 | Treibholz | it's just a crappy workaround like color-fax |
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| 13:36.52 | Treibholz | who needs MMS, if you have e-mail? |
| 13:36.56 | noobmonk3y | i have to admit of the instant picture send i quite like it, could live without it, but not everyone has email on their phones, mms is just instant :D |
| 13:36.59 | evilBunny | indeed :) |
| 13:37.04 | Disconnect | Treibholz: most devices (including n900) can't do push email. and you don't always need a 5mp image. so "snap pic, shoot thumbnail to other phone" has a solid use-case |
| 13:37.13 | noobmonk3y | Treibholz: most cheaper fones can mms but not email! |
| 13:37.32 | Treibholz | noobmonk3y: tell them to buy a better device. |
| 13:37.41 | evilBunny | email to mms is a jiffy :) |
| 13:37.47 | Disconnect | yah. "where are you sitting we're totally not finding you in this crowd" "right here" .. "is this the thing you want from the store?" .. "hey, look at all the [food/drink/cats/party hats] we have, you should join us!" |
| 13:37.53 | Treibholz | Disconnect: it's way easier to implement IMAP Idle. |
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| 13:38.50 | Arkenoi | Disconnect, n900 does push email pretty good with NM or MfE |
| 13:39.41 | Disconnect | Treibholz: ok. when you come back with a working imap idle client for the top 10 OSs (s60, s40, sony-ericsson, android, n900, palm, j2me..) -and- get it signed by the carriers (since tmob and at&t tend to lock net access to signed apps on their lowend phones) we can talk about how imap is better than mms. but the fact remains, it already exists on all those devices... |
| 13:39.57 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 13:40.04 | Disconnect | Aranel: good to know, can't wait to check it out ;) |
| 13:40.05 | noobmonk3y | and its a money maker for them all |
| 13:40.19 | noobmonk3y | as i have no mms bundle, 36p per mss! why would they dare get rid of it?! |
| 13:40.25 | noobmonk3y | mms* |
| 13:40.42 | Disconnect | noobmonk3y: disable the auto-retrieve. most carriers let you get them off the web instead |
| 13:40.50 | crashanddie | Disconnect: 3MP is enough for most people |
| 13:40.59 | crashanddie | Disconnect: and I do actually mean 99% of the world population and uses |
| 13:41.31 | noobmonk3y | Disconnect: - yeah thats how i do it normally |
| 13:41.32 | Disconnect | crashanddie: thats my point though, 99% of the time if you are sending a pic to someone's portable device you don't need a full-res version. you just need something that is usable on that device, so mms is perfect for that |
| 13:41.50 | crashanddie | Disconnect: well, even for display on an HDTV, 3MP is enough ;) |
| 13:41.56 | Macer | i think when i get my n900 i am going to run over this g1 with my car |
| 13:41.58 | Treibholz | Disconnect: I say, it's way easier to implement IMAP IDLE than MMS + MMS is prehistoric. |
| 13:42.05 | Macer | just because all the jabber clients suck |
| 13:42.05 | crashanddie | Disconnect: and a 22" monitor, 3MP is enough too |
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| 13:42.32 | Treibholz | Macer: the one in the n900 isn't very good either. |
| 13:42.39 | Treibholz | (compared to PSI) |
| 13:42.41 | crashanddie | Disconnect: so yeah, having a 3000px wide picture on a 800px wide device, is really ridiculous -- pure marketing |
| 13:42.45 | Macer | it uses telepathy doesn't it? |
| 13:42.51 | Treibholz | Macer: yes :-( |
| 13:42.57 | Arkenoi | s40 still does not have email client? |
| 13:42.59 | gouverneur | Treibholz: did you try to port any caldav client yet? |
| 13:42.59 | Macer | i liked telepathy on my n810 ;) |
| 13:43.03 | Arkenoi | i thought it does have |
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| 13:43.16 | Treibholz | gouverneur: I am still playing. |
| 13:43.18 | Disconnect | lesee.. last 4 mms's i sent. pic of the swinging doors @ 'horse you came in on' in baltimore ("where are you?" "[picture]"). went to a cheap flip-phone, no email support. same day, "where are you sitting" [pic of the group on the stairs watching the pirate ship battle] .. hmm. oh. "what are you doing today" [pic of men warehouse cuz i needed a tux for a wedding] |
| 13:43.30 | noobmonk3y | thinks frals should have single handedly put a better front camera in every device whilst he was sorting out the MMS issue - almost as easy as world peace ;) |
| 13:43.31 | Disconnect | so last 3 instead of 4, but still. none of those needed full-frame. |
| 13:43.35 | Disconnect | er, full res i mean |
| 13:44.41 | timeless_mbp | fwiw |
| 13:44.41 | lcuk | crashanddie, limiting photos to such an arbritary value is wrong, you never know - csi might need to enhance the pixles and identify the criminal! |
| 13:44.44 | timeless_mbp | we got a cute bug recently |
| 13:44.51 | timeless_mbp | bug "browser doesn't crash often enough" |
| 13:44.54 | crashanddie | amazing, some criminal is murdered in jail, and half australia is mourning |
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| 13:45.19 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, ? |
| 13:45.21 | crashanddie | lcuk: well, they don't need 10mpx... they can do it from a 480x340 security camera anyway |
| 13:45.25 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: seriously |
| 13:46.11 | timeless_mbp | i think the fix is to add some extra periodic crashes to the browser... |
| 13:46.24 | timeless_mbp | isn't sure if we'll get approval for that |
| 13:46.31 | Disconnect | timeless_mbp: if it doesn't teleport enough goats, it won't crash on time |
| 13:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | curses nonsense in wiki/overclocking stating electromigration is mainly a function of temperature. It's NOT, it is caused by current density, and temperature might come in to make things worse if anything |
| 13:46.42 | marmoute | timeless_mbp: do you have a link to the bug report ? |
| 13:47.01 | timeless_mbp | marmoute: it wasn't provided in the email i received |
| 13:47.07 | Treibholz | gouverneur: basic import is working, but i'm not parsing icalendar correctly, yet. |
| 13:47.08 | timeless_mbp | and i'm not sure i want to generally share it |
| 13:47.17 | timeless_mbp | but lcuk can confirm the general bug description |
| 13:47.31 | marmoute | What was the motivation of this bug ? |
| 13:47.41 | marmoute | (report) |
| 13:48.25 | timeless_mbp | other apps were complaining about running slowly and swapping |
| 13:48.34 | timeless_mbp | they seem to expect the browser to crash more often |
| 13:49.00 | gouverneur | Treibholz: its just useless atm, I keep the N900 calendar clean to sync with stuff as this is the only one which can be synced... |
| 13:49.21 | gouverneur | you cant even subscribe to webcalendar stuff |
| 13:49.23 | lcuk | confirms for timeless_mbp |
| 13:49.28 | Treibholz | gouverneur: i know. |
| 13:49.42 | Treibholz | gouverneur: I just don't have the time. |
| 13:50.01 | gouverneur | Treibholz: what are you looking at atm? |
| 13:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: on the topic - could you implement random crashes on OC-kernels as well please ;-) |
| 13:50.11 | Treibholz | gouverneur: I'm working. |
| 13:50.11 | gouverneur | cal::dav? |
| 13:50.26 | timeless_mbp | OC? |
| 13:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | overclocking |
| 13:51.04 | gouverneur | Treibholz: not exactly now ;) |
| 13:51.50 | Treibholz | gouverneur: I play around with python. |
| 13:52.00 | noobmonk3y | python plays around with me :( |
| 13:52.06 | gouverneur | same here |
| 13:52.11 | gouverneur | both btw |
| 13:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | see, it's like a hype you could use 92 octane fuel on a car designed for 98 octane. You can't buy any used car any more, and eventually the model will shoot to top of all reports about unreliable cars |
| 13:53.07 | Arkenoi | no maps of Russia in Sygic? it sucks (but it sucks anyways, eur 60 for not-so-good navigation program is nonsense) |
| 13:53.24 | gouverneur | and as python still sucks for "background tasks" I guess I will look at some other way to do my stuff |
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| 13:56.51 | DocScrutinizer | "hey! I just filled 1GHz, err 5L gasoil to my N900 tank, and motor runs like before, even muuuuch smoother" >:-( |
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| 13:57.40 | Arkenoi | wonders why modest background task and as-daemon are not reniced ny default |
| 13:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah sucker, it'll probably stand 5L gasoil mixed into the 60L 98 octane, for a short while |
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| 13:58.38 | gouverneur | DocScrutinizer: thats like my car... you can attach a turbo charger but you reduce the overall distance the motor will provide proper service by -100k kms |
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| 13:59.03 | DocScrutinizer | err, *to* 100km |
| 13:59.27 | gouverneur | with proper setup it will last about 100km yes |
| 14:01.14 | gouverneur | top speed of 200km/h is reached in about 10 seconds and the tank seems to leak... |
| 14:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | don't get me wrong, I'm all for clocking N900 @ 1.6GHz, to compensate PA busy adding zeroes at 100% cpu usage |
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| 14:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | X-P |
| 14:01.49 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
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| 14:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | hey, I got another super tubo tweakers idea for the sill^H venturous of you: Charge battery to 4.4V, it will yield 20% higher battery endurance |
| 14:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | turbo even |
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| 14:10.55 | loft306 | lol |
| 14:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | is waiting for "[2010-05-01]<blastercharger>I now operate my battery at 4V4 since 2 weeks -AMAZING, got to 18h of standby. Though recently it drops, have to go to 4V8..." |
| 14:11.54 | gouverneur | DocScrutinizer: well the more they blow the more they buy the more attention the project gets |
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| 14:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | gouverneur: nope, the nore they cry and swear and Nokia gets flooded with warranty RMA and occasionally will consider FOSS devices an epic fail |
| 14:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | s/nore/more |
| 14:13.33 | TigerTael | ;/ |
| 14:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | and though Nokia has the X-Ray and other means to tell a device was killed by overclocking, for sure I don't so I don't want to buy a used N900 anymore - thanks to OC-kernels |
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| 14:19.32 | Surfa | well... |
| 14:19.41 | Surfa | it ain't that easy to tell if it's overclocked or not |
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| 14:21.24 | gouverneur | Surfa: its is ;) |
| 14:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: it's damn easy to tell if it *is*, but it's *impossible* to tell if it had been before, so all the CPU mileage has been eaten up and it will work just as short as another 100h |
| 14:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | you'll learn the hard way when cpu fails, and Nokia tells to you "OC, RMA rejected" |
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| 14:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | "duh, but I bought it just a week ago, used, and the guy swore it's never..." Nokia:"fuck off, it's killed by OC" |
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| 14:24.19 | odin_ | carefully tops up his liquid nitrogen ARM Cortex cooling system |
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| 14:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | WON'T HELP!!!!!! |
| 14:24.47 | odin_ | ah shit! the windscreen is cracking |
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| 14:25.39 | gouverneur | LNFCS? what you gonna try 8GHz? |
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| 14:25.47 | odin_ | oh no the nitrogen tank has leaked into my pocket .... my &$*&%^ is all numb .... I'm going to sue ! |
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| 14:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | odin_: would you fsckng please search backscroll of this very chan for 'electromigration' ! |
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| 14:28.29 | Treibholz | unfortunatelly, there is no python-module for the calendar, only c++. |
| 14:28.46 | Treibholz | gouverneur: I guess, I'll try swig or sip |
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| 14:29.24 | Treibholz | gouverneur: then I could just push an ical in the calendar without understanding ical :-) |
| 14:31.46 | odin_ | DocScrutinizer, will that un-numb my &$*&%^ ? 'electromigration' ? sounds painful ... these portable handset nitrogen kits really are heavy ... I think Nokia should put one inside the next version! |
| 14:33.45 | X-Fade | Unless you chill to 0K, that won't help. |
| 14:33.52 | noobmonk3y | blinks......... since when was i the maemo helpdesk! - suddenly getting loads of questions via email, web forms and t.m.o! |
| 14:33.59 | noobmonk3y | looks for the nearest maemo greeter............ |
| 14:34.21 | timeless | sighs |
| 14:34.23 | lcuk | hands noobmonk3y a mirror |
| 14:34.32 | timeless | this computer's dns entry is missing, which makes reaching it "hard" |
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| 14:34.47 | odin_ | na batter than that, the sales man, says my kit, goes to minus 1 kelvin ! it only cost me $5000 |
| 14:35.27 | noobmonk3y | cries :( |
| 14:36.09 | gouverneur | odin_: I would buy it reverse engineer and get a nobel price or sue the company for $5mil |
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| 14:37.15 | odin_ | na you wouldn't be able to escape the anti-matter vortex to be able to collect your prize ... maybe if they chill it ... it will find you ? |
| 14:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | odin_: I'm well aware you're just kidding. Alas that kind of jokes spreads false assumptions about cooling might make OC any safer |
| 14:38.10 | odin_ | well let the idiots run amok ! they do here <grin> |
| 14:38.36 | frals | ~curse users |
| 14:38.37 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users ! |
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| 14:39.21 | MohammadAG | seconds that for tmo users |
| 14:40.48 | odin_ | Im sure Intel will step in and be fabricating 4GHz ARMs within 18 months ... no wait |
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| 14:43.56 | Khertan | Treibholz: calendar information are store in a sqldatabase |
| 14:44.13 | Khertan | Treibholz: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb |
| 14:44.26 | Khertan | so you can use python-sqlite |
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| 14:44.48 | Treibholz | Khertan: yes, that would be the evil way. |
| 14:45.04 | Treibholz | Khertan: but I prefer to use a clean solution. |
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| 14:45.14 | Treibholz | + I don't want to parse ical myself. |
| 14:45.20 | Treibholz | :-) |
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| 14:45.29 | Antibuddha | hi |
| 14:46.17 | Antibuddha | have you guys ever used mains conditioners for computers? |
| 14:46.52 | Khertan | Treibholz: parse ical is quite easy with python-icalendar |
| 14:46.53 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:47.13 | Treibholz | Khertan: easiER |
| 14:47.22 | Khertan | yep thx ;) |
| 14:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | Antibuddha: UPS? |
| 14:47.58 | Antibuddha | no i mean reduce common, transverse, differential noise |
| 14:48.08 | Antibuddha | i heard people here said cpu might be damaged by emf right? |
| 14:48.10 | Khertan | Treibholz: what did you want to do with the calendar ? |
| 14:48.12 | Disconnect | Antibuddha: years ago. these days most poeple just use a ups instead, since it has mostly hte same result (labs tend to use it for sensitive equipment tho, but thats a whole different workspace) |
| 14:48.19 | Treibholz | Khertan: caldav-sync |
| 14:48.25 | Antibuddha | ok |
| 14:48.41 | Khertan | Treibholz: hum ... reading the calendar will be the easy parts |
| 14:48.41 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:48.57 | Treibholz | Khertan: yes, I get it with urllib2 :-) |
| 14:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | Antibuddha: forget that. All you might want for stationary servers and workstations is a surge protector maybe |
| 14:49.12 | Antibuddha | okay |
| 14:49.19 | Treibholz | writing in the db works, too. |
| 14:49.29 | Antibuddha | my psu is an antec earthwatts and it is supposed to have good psrr |
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| 14:50.17 | Treibholz | Khertan: at the moment, I need to add the adjustment of time with the timezones. |
| 14:50.40 | Khertan | python-dateutil |
| 14:50.41 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | any surges will be eaten by modern switching PSU, and you very rarely damage your CPU by surges via powerline |
| 14:51.26 | Khertan | arg ... python-qt4 not available in moblin repository ! |
| 14:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | the PSU itself may break, but not the CPU |
| 14:51.34 | Khertan | oups wrong window |
| 14:51.51 | nid0 | DocScrutinizer, hes long gone |
| 14:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 14:52.10 | Treibholz | Khertan: currently the only time I have to work at this is half an hour in the morning and half an hour in the evening in the train. And unfortunatelly I don't feel like it every day :-) |
| 14:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | won't convince me to re-enable join/quit msgs |
| 14:52.17 | frals | Treibholz: if you need the time from sqlitedb to local time jsut get the field as datetime(fieldname, 'localtime') |
| 14:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, bye |
| 14:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 14:53.34 | odin_ | more serious comment: without starting any kind of fight, what is the latest on the PR1.2 (isit?) for the major Qt update, SDK is out but whats the gossip? |
| 14:53.59 | frals | i heard PR1.2 is coming out when the volcano goes back to sleep |
| 14:54.19 | hrw | odin_: 12 November |
| 14:54.20 | nid0 | gossip is itll come when it comes, it hasnt come yet, and ppl are fed up of people asking when itll come. |
| 14:55.05 | odin_ | well seeing as I am closest ... I better start rowing, so I can chuck some new ice up on top .... ah great 12th Nov, already released huh :) |
| 14:55.25 | crashanddie | actually, in all serious ness, I have a reliable source ness, that told me ness, that Nokia has stopped working on PSR1.2 ness, and that they are realocating everyone on MeeGo and trying to get a new release out soon ness. |
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| 14:56.25 | odin_ | ok well thats more useful then, so better maybe try to provide some creative input into meego and the new horizon than harping on about a PR1.2 (which I'm not sure I need, and not really what how it will make my life better) |
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| 14:58.03 | pupnik | odin_: the forum has some discussion about what is contained in 1.2 |
| 14:58.03 | lcuk | so crashanddie whats your source then |
| 14:58.09 | lcuk | no point in getting hearsay |
| 14:58.16 | crashanddie | lcuk: lochness |
| 14:58.53 | crashanddie | brb |
| 14:58.56 | lcuk | odin_, you know the content of 1.2 based on the sdk - it will have whichever new qt it should have |
| 14:59.33 | lcuk | so if you have app ideas you can develop using qt |
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| 15:11.30 | lcuk | crashanddie_, whats the point in having a cloak if your account signs in sanscloak first? |
| 15:12.15 | crashanddie | hell if I know |
| 15:12.36 | lcuk | :D |
| 15:12.50 | lcuk | do all clients do it |
| 15:12.54 | crashanddie | no |
| 15:12.59 | crashanddie | it depends on your latency |
| 15:13.12 | crashanddie | and if your client manages to auth you before you start joining channels |
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| 15:13.31 | crashanddie | or you can put username:password in the server password field for Freenode |
| 15:13.42 | crashanddie | should auth you before you even declare your nickname! |
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| 15:13.43 | crashanddie | lemme try |
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| 15:14.31 | lcuk | well my primary doesnt, so thats ok |
| 15:15.10 | odin_ | you should get back the ack from the NickServ login process before doing the /join ? |
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| 15:17.12 | crashanddie | did that work? |
| 15:17.12 | N900evil | yes |
| 15:17.26 | N900evil | crashanddie (~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie) has joined #maemo |
| 15:17.55 | crashanddie | so there you go, for irssi: /server add -auto -network FreeNode irc.freenode.net 6667 <username>:<password> |
| 15:18.50 | crashanddie | anyway, 'night all |
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| 15:23.13 | Flyser | Hi. How can I reset the code to lock my n900? I cant change the code without knowing the old one |
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| 15:24.13 | peetah | Flyser: not sure about that, but the initial one is 12345 |
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| 15:25.25 | Flyser | oh. it worked. thanks |
| 15:25.37 | peetah | pn |
| 15:25.41 | peetah | np* |
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| 15:30.42 | wazd | omg, can't beleive Apple failed at security :D |
| 15:30.53 | wazd | http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone |
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| 15:32.45 | MiXu- | I don't buy that for some reason. |
| 15:32.56 | Treibholz | no keyboard.... |
| 15:34.11 | MiXu- | Although it does look authentic. |
| 15:34.30 | wazd | MiXu-: well, I doubt now that it's fake |
| 15:34.39 | wazd | MiXu-: since it has custom motherboard |
| 15:34.52 | wazd | MiXu-: too much for the fake :) |
| 15:34.59 | MiXu- | True |
| 15:35.05 | frals | so gizmodo is in a redirect loop here |
| 15:35.17 | |R | wazd: I can't believe Giz failed at security too |
| 15:35.17 | frals | but im sure it was a good link! |
| 15:35.35 | |R | wazd: they got it remotely killed by Apple, what were they thinking, don't connect it to the net before you have all the footage you want...! |
| 15:35.39 | wazd | but ofcourse it wasn't lost in the restraunt, just simply sold for 50k bucks or so |
| 15:35.58 | wazd | |R: it was killed before they got it |
| 15:36.10 | |R | wazd: ok, then the guy before is a moron :P |
| 15:36.14 | |R | wazd: someone somewhere is |
| 15:36.22 | MiXu- | I wouldn't be surprised if that was an intentional leak. |
| 15:36.23 | wazd | |R: yeah :) |
| 15:36.25 | lcuk | |r i thought the kill command came over gprs/3g ? |
| 15:36.29 | lcuk | its a phone after all |
| 15:36.34 | wazd | MiXu-: ofcourse it is :) |
| 15:36.36 | MiXu- | That Apple lost it "by accident". "Oops" |
| 15:36.43 | |R | lcuk: well, no SIM and no unfiltered WiFi :) |
| 15:37.01 | |R | drop all in your firewall and then enable on a ip/port one by one for tests... |
| 15:37.02 | wazd | MiXu-: it's like loosing F-35 in the restraunt :D |
| 15:37.11 | wazd | or gaussian gun :) |
| 15:37.12 | |R | haha |
| 15:37.13 | lcuk | phones are lost in places all the time |
| 15:37.31 | lcuk | its actually a reasonable thing to consider - just a bitch it appears to be a proto this time |
| 15:37.34 | MiXu- | wazd: Pretty much yes :D |
| 15:37.47 | wazd | lcuk: phones, not restricted protos |
| 15:38.34 | wazd | lcuk: I care bout $150 E63 all the time even when I meat drunk :) |
| 15:38.39 | lcuk | wazd there should be a period of testing for any device - REAL testing involving having it in your pocket with your keys |
| 15:38.41 | Gizmokid2005 | haha, ya'll are talking about the iphone prototype...that I Just read about on gizmodo.. |
| 15:39.32 | wazd | lcuk: sure, but it's impossible to lose *apple* *prototype* |
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| 15:39.42 | wazd | you're gonna be killed :) |
| 15:39.45 | lcuk | its easy to lose anything |
| 15:39.56 | lcuk | america have lost entire nuclear bombs |
| 15:40.03 | wazd | no if your life depends on that :) |
| 15:40.08 | lcuk | see above |
| 15:40.24 | MohammadAG | wonders what would happn if you put a nuclear bomb in the iceland volcano |
| 15:40.28 | lcuk | and i know which is more important |
| 15:40.30 | Gizmokid2005 | yeah, lcuk is right...US has lost major bombs... |
| 15:40.39 | lcuk | MohammadAG, europe is covered with radioactive ash |
| 15:40.50 | wazd | lcuk: I'm not sure that USA have lost armed nuke |
| 15:40.54 | lcuk | volcano continues unabated |
| 15:40.57 | |R | something like 9 |
| 15:41.00 | wazd | lcuk: and unarmed nuke is harmless |
| 15:41.01 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 15:41.04 | Gizmokid2005 | wazd: it wasn't armed...yet...but it was a fully intact bomb. |
| 15:41.13 | lcuk | wazd yes there are a number of missing nuclear weapons |
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| 15:41.31 | lcuk | :) |
| 15:41.35 | wazd | Gizmokid2005: also you need something to deliver it :) |
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| 15:41.47 | wazd | nuke is not a weapon for terrorism or something |
| 15:41.52 | lcuk | a phone is hardly life threatening |
| 15:42.09 | wazd | lcuk: it's not a phone, it's apple prototype :D |
| 15:42.10 | |R | lcuk: unless you work for Apple :P |
| 15:42.14 | Gizmokid2005 | the point is, /anything/ can be lost. |
| 15:42.20 | frals | whoever lost it probably got had a really bad week :p |
| 15:42.25 | frals | -got |
| 15:42.28 | |R | lcuk: and then Steve finds out who fucked up and faces you |
| 15:42.30 | Gizmokid2005 | just some things require inside people. |
| 15:42.30 | |R | ahha ;) |
| 15:42.41 | |R | Big brother than gets you to room 101 |
| 15:42.47 | |R | and 2+2=5 ! |
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| 15:44.15 | lcuk | principle question i have about iphone is: why isnt maemo running on it yet? |
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| 15:44.53 | lcuk | or mer or meego etc |
| 15:44.54 | Treibholz | well, it's apples marketing concept. No official info, just rumors and uncovered "secrets". |
| 15:45.06 | wazd | lcuk: there is a linux on the iphone project |
| 15:45.17 | Treibholz | lcuk: the iphone isn't good hardware. |
| 15:45.29 | Treibholz | lcuk: no keyboard and not enough ram. |
| 15:45.33 | lcuk | Treibholz, ? confusing its got ~same chip as n900 hasnt it? |
| 15:45.52 | lcuk | n800 was in less capble state then |
| 15:45.55 | Treibholz | lcuk: "power is nothing without controll" |
| 15:45.56 | wazd | anyway, I kinda like the design |
| 15:46.31 | wazd | have some quirks, but it's a step forward |
| 15:46.53 | hrw | Treibholz: n900 do not have enough ram |
| 15:47.12 | Treibholz | hrw: yes, but the iPhone has even less. |
| 15:47.22 | hrw | Treibholz: less then 256MB? |
| 15:47.23 | nid0 | iphone 3gs has 256mb of ram |
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| 15:47.37 | hrw | so same as n900 |
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| 15:48.04 | Treibholz | oh, really? |
| 15:48.11 | nid0 | really |
| 15:48.12 | Treibholz | still not enough :-) |
| 15:48.22 | Treibholz | and still no keyboard |
| 15:48.37 | hrw | but has apps |
| 15:48.47 | evilBunny | still talking about ipownz |
| 15:48.51 | Treibholz | and the display-resolution is to low. |
| 15:49.04 | Treibholz | hrw: I have apt! |
| 15:49.14 | Treibholz | and python |
| 15:49.18 | hrw | Treibholz: oh... apt... python |
| 15:49.25 | lcuk | linux has been ported |
| 15:49.25 | evilBunny | and flash ;) |
| 15:49.28 | lcuk | but not maemo |
| 15:49.30 | hrw | I want *working* calendar |
| 15:49.33 | Treibholz | evilBunny: fuck flash! |
| 15:49.42 | Treibholz | hrw: I'm working on it :-) |
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| 15:49.54 | nid0 | a calendar with some sane way of syncing with remote calendars would do me :( |
| 15:49.59 | hrw | Treibholz: where? why I do not know anything |
| 15:50.05 | hrw | nid0: thats not calendar thing |
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| 15:50.27 | hrw | nid0: syncing is calendar-backed+syncml thing |
| 15:50.40 | hrw | nid0: syncevolution tries to make it working |
| 15:50.50 | Treibholz | hrw: because it's not far enough to release anything. |
| 15:50.57 | Treibholz | syncevolution is crap |
| 15:51.01 | hrw | Treibholz: I can do alpha testing ;D |
| 15:51.05 | nid0 | exactly. the calendar itself doesnt do it, syncevolution tries (badly) to do it |
| 15:51.20 | nid0 | quite how you can say "its not a calendar thing" is beyond me |
| 15:51.21 | Treibholz | hrw: it's kinda pre-pre-alpha now:-) |
| 15:51.33 | hrw | Treibholz: I used palmos, symbian, opie, gpe, kdepim/pi, maemo calendars |
| 15:51.35 | Treibholz | nid0: syncml is crap |
| 15:51.42 | nid0 | i'm fully aware of that |
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| 15:51.55 | Treibholz | syncml is the wrong way. |
| 15:52.10 | nid0 | and does the calendar provide any other way? |
| 15:52.12 | nid0 | no. |
| 15:52.17 | nid0 | so how is it "not a calendar thing"? |
| 15:52.45 | hrw | nid0: calendar is UI for calendar-backend. UI which provides edit/view functions |
| 15:53.06 | hrw | nid0: syncing is work for app which talks to calendar-backend |
| 15:53.27 | nid0 | and are they, or are they not, all-told, ultimately a calendar? |
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| 15:54.08 | nid0 | the fact that theyre different pieces of backend software is immaterial, the n900 calendar doesnt support syncing to anything. that's a limitation of the calendar. |
| 15:54.13 | hrw | syncing tool do not have to have UI |
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| 15:54.28 | pwnguin | the calender does support syncing |
| 15:54.31 | pwnguin | to exchange =( |
| 15:54.49 | hrw | pwnguin: thats not calendar - thats other component rather |
| 15:55.32 | Treibholz | it does. |
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| 15:55.43 | Treibholz | the exchange-sync works great here |
| 15:55.46 | pwnguin | i click on the calendar and exchange appointments appear, does it really matter how the components are arranged to accomplish this? |
| 15:55.54 | pupnik | http://www.google.com/buzz/gerrymoth/WkT1XdcRiny/Is-PR1-2-on-everyones-mind |
| 15:56.05 | pupnik | Pr1.2 on your mind? |
| 15:56.19 | Timbo | if i wanted to set LC_ALL somewhere, where would be the best place to do so? |
| 15:56.21 | Arkenoi | syncs to google, complex repeats are all messed up |
| 15:56.40 | pwnguin | Timbo: /etc/profile? |
| 15:56.43 | slonopotamus | X-Fade: bug 9902. smth is totally broken in repo. |
| 15:56.44 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel |
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| 15:57.07 | Disconnect | its -really- clean |
| 15:57.22 | hrw | bug 8988 |
| 15:57.23 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8988 Support local subscriptions of IMAP folders |
| 15:57.25 | Timbo | pwnguin: is that not going to be fiddled with by the package manager? |
| 15:57.33 | Timbo | (potentially) |
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| 15:58.02 | pwnguin | apt-get should prompt on conffiles |
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| 15:58.14 | pwnguin | dont ask me how nokia's updater affects that |
| 15:58.17 | pwnguin | im guessing poorly |
| 15:58.46 | Timbo | i'd rather use something like ~/.profile |
| 15:58.52 | Timbo | but i'm not sure ash will read that? |
| 15:59.00 | pwnguin | you could install bash |
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| 15:59.04 | pwnguin | and use .bashrc |
| 15:59.17 | Timbo | true |
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| 16:00.14 | Timbo | another unrelated thing, while i'm here... |
| 16:00.30 | Timbo | is it possible to have desktop shortcuts to programs with command line arguments? |
| 16:00.49 | MiXu- | yes |
| 16:00.50 | pwnguin | Timbo: i think you can make a .desktop file |
| 16:00.50 | Timbo | like say i wanted a shortcut to "ssh user@host" |
| 16:01.00 | Timbo | ok |
| 16:01.03 | Timbo | where do those live? |
| 16:01.08 | pwnguin | good question |
| 16:01.17 | pwnguin | i set up an ssh user@host .desktop |
| 16:01.24 | MiXu- | google knows |
| 16:01.26 | pwnguin | but it doesnt work and i dont remember where i put it |
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| 16:04.02 | pwnguin | what i could really go for though, is caldav |
| 16:04.48 | pwnguin | with todo support |
| 16:07.30 | hrw | bug 6933 |
| 16:07.31 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong |
| 16:07.40 | hrw | wontfix I think |
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| 16:11.12 | wazd | RST38h: moo |
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| 16:14.29 | hrw | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildonmm/libhildonmm-dbg_2.1.5-0maemo1_i386.deb Size mismatch |
| 16:14.35 | hrw | someone can fix it? |
| 16:15.24 | hrw | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/g/gst-plugins-ugly-multiverse0.10/gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse_0.10.7-2maemo1_i386.deb Size mismatch |
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| 16:19.22 | GAN900 | Bleh |
| 16:19.23 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 16:19.35 | RST38h | GAN: What is the bleh of today? |
| 16:19.45 | GAN900 | Too much time to kill, not enough to go into the city. |
| 16:20.15 | RST38h | Bejeweed! =) |
| 16:20.30 | GAN900 | FBReader more like. |
| 16:20.33 | RST38h | (and yes, the L key is behaving) |
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| 16:21.11 | RST38h | I added a "Need a ROM" warning when cancelling ROM selection in iNES et al |
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| 16:21.43 | RST38h | In fact, it is trivial to add some simple banner screen there, but someone has to supply artwork and give permission to use it in a closed project. |
| 16:22.56 | _Lucretia_ | anyone know why the facebrik install is 15MB?? |
| 16:23.22 | GAN900 | _Lucretia_, Python or similar? |
| 16:23.38 | _Lucretia_ | c++ n qt by the looks |
| 16:23.42 | RST38h | Lucretia: Maybe it installs locally all the avatar pics for all the facebook users? |
| 16:23.56 | GAN900 | Crappy Tropicana orange never tasted so good . . . |
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| 16:24.08 | GAN900 | . . . after a week of that California crap. |
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| 16:24.26 | _Lucretia_ | tropicana's nice stuff |
| 16:24.41 | GAN900 | lol |
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| 16:24.49 | GAN900 | _Lucretia_, where you from? |
| 16:25.08 | _Lucretia_ | england |
| 16:25.23 | _Lucretia_ | only fruit juice not made from concentrate |
| 16:25.28 | GAN900 | _Lucretia_, well, that would explain it. ;) |
| 16:25.39 | w00t_ | facebrick is 15mb because you need Qt from extras-devel, once PR1.2 is out, you'll already have it installed - so the dependancies will be a lot less |
| 16:25.41 | _Lucretia_ | wel you just agreed |
| 16:25.57 | w00t_ | (if you've any other questions, hilight me, I'm the author :)) |
| 16:26.05 | _Lucretia_ | w00t_: oh that's ok then, was thinking the whole app was 15MB, but the exe is tiny |
| 16:26.06 | GAN900 | _Lucretia_, gotta get to Florida some time and try fresh squeezed roadside. |
| 16:26.10 | _Lucretia_ | w00t_: oh ok |
| 16:26.20 | _Lucretia_ | GAN900: is that roadkill? |
| 16:26.22 | _Lucretia_ | :D |
| 16:26.28 | w00t_ | lol |
| 16:26.37 | GAN900 | _Lucretia_, compared to California orange juice. Which aint saying' much, in my opinion. ;) |
| 16:26.38 | _Lucretia_ | w00t_: you adding friend's lists into facebrick? |
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| 16:26.55 | w00t_ | _Lucretia_: that, and a lot of other things eventually, yeah |
| 16:27.00 | _Lucretia_ | cool |
| 16:27.15 | _Lucretia_ | I can't stand using the web version on the n900, it's too flaky |
| 16:27.18 | hrw | have a nice rest of day |
| 16:27.34 | _Lucretia_ | anyone here built their own toolchain? |
| 16:27.49 | w00t_ | I don't mind it (though clicking some links is absolutely annoying, they just don't seem to pick up the press) |
| 16:28.00 | w00t_ | it's just more convenient to not have to scroll my head all over the place all the time :) |
| 16:28.16 | _Lucretia_ | yup |
| 16:28.19 | lcuk | _Lucretia_, from scratch with bare hands |
| 16:28.27 | _Lucretia_ | lcuk: yeah |
| 16:28.30 | lcuk | making the first compiler by touching bare wires on the silicon was a bit hard |
| 16:29.12 | w00t_ | lol |
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| 16:29.38 | lcuk | _Lucretia_, can get baseline working on device itself with the sdk + tools repositories and build-essential :) |
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| 16:29.44 | lcuk | sort out space problems and its trivial |
| 16:29.48 | _Lucretia_ | jesus no |
| 16:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: nessie :-D |
| 16:30.05 | _Lucretia_ | I'd want if anything to build a compiler on my host machine |
| 16:31.19 | lcuk | nothing stops you |
| 16:31.47 | _Lucretia_ | w00t_: is the login to facebook bit from the fb website? because that is sooo not sensitive to key presses (touchscreen for he "connect" button) |
| 16:31.55 | w00t_ | yes |
| 16:31.59 | _Lucretia_ | lcuk: I'm after some pointers on where to start |
| 16:32.22 | _Lucretia_ | w00t_: pressed about 20 times |
| 16:32.41 | _Lucretia_ | any chance you can get that in the Qt ui rather than website? |
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| 16:34.20 | lcuk | _Lucretia_, theres simply so much more required for a toolchain that not many people start from scratch - on the menu is scratchbox, scratchbox 2, madde and possibly native on device development, take your pick and read up - no1 in irc can give you more than that in a short line |
| 16:35.59 | _Lucretia_ | lcuk: yeah, I've built toolchains before, just not under sb |
| 16:37.42 | _Lucretia_ | so nokia are moving to sb2 then? |
| 16:38.35 | _Lucretia_ | lcuk: do you know which bits of the toolchain are emulated under qemu? |
| 16:38.42 | _Lucretia_ | I mean, in the build process |
| 16:38.51 | _Lucretia_ | the docs are a bit sparse on that |
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| 16:44.19 | khertan | hi ! |
| 16:44.22 | khertan | (again) |
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| 16:45.24 | khertan | if there is some pyqt developers in the rooms, i m trying to make multiple windows but all i got is only one window |
| 16:45.57 | khertan | when i create a first QMainWindow |
| 16:46.29 | khertan | if i create a second one and call the show methode, the second one is never displayed |
| 16:47.08 | khertan | if the second window is a children of the first one i got something like a hildon.StackableWindow |
| 16:47.36 | khertan | but i never have multiple window display at the same time in the task manager |
| 16:48.10 | khertan | everyone claim qt is easier ... but found information about such result is a real pain ! |
| 16:48.44 | khertan | if only the future will be gtk everywhere and not qt ... pouah ! |
| 16:48.50 | khertan | any advice ? |
| 16:48.57 | khertan | pong |
| 16:49.18 | khertan | ~ping |
| 16:49.19 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 16:52.42 | trumee | guys, i installed the maemo sdk today, but it doesnt seem to have Qt |
| 16:53.39 | trumee | where is Qt in the sdk, ls: /usr/bin/qmake*: No such file or directory |
| 16:53.57 | trumee | do i have the right SDK? |
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| 16:54.41 | trumee | or do i need to install Qt separately, my impression was Qt 4.6.2 was installed by default in the sdk |
| 16:54.46 | Khertan | sorry was disconnected |
| 16:55.13 | Khertan | anyone as an idea for my problem ? |
| 16:55.39 | igagis | trumee: fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev |
| 16:55.46 | funpig | trumee: the maemo sdk exclude the qt. you should install it aside |
| 16:56.12 | funpig | agreed with igagis |
| 16:56.19 | trumee | igagis, funpig, thanks |
| 16:56.42 | funpig | welcome |
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| 16:59.48 | ioeee | saluda, que a quien saluda dios le ayuda ^^ |
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| 17:02.01 | igagis | Khertan: check if you have Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow attribute set for your child window, if you have, it will be stackable, otherwise it will appear in task manager |
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| 17:02.44 | Khertan | ok ... i understand ... work on my netbook ... didn't on maemo |
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| 17:02.58 | Khertan | as it s require a fucking resize to be show |
| 17:02.59 | Khertan | grrr |
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| 17:07.38 | Khertan | someone can also explain me why when you create a qt window in a method in python, python destroy it and why when you create it in gtk python destroy the object only when needed ? |
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| 17:16.27 | opdf2 | anyone having trouble authenticating with skype? |
| 17:16.42 | opdf2 | i never changed anything and for some reason it wont authenticate toda |
| 17:17.37 | mtnbkr | opdf2: only problem I have seen is the skype spam IMs I get |
| 17:18.07 | opdf2 | right, if only there was a way to block screen names from n900 |
| 17:18.19 | vasily_pupkin | anybody knows, how to manually activate virtual keyboard on maemo? |
| 17:18.19 | opdf2 | u could put only receive from contacts |
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| 17:20.45 | pupnik | http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/airline-chiefs-attack-flight-ban-over-non-existant-volcano-cloud-reports-der-spiegel/ There's that spiegel report translated. Hard hitting stuff. |
| 17:21.07 | pupnik | reminds channel that he was right |
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| 17:25.41 | Bounce | åòî ÷å çà? |
| 17:26.54 | FauxFaux | Utf-8 please. |
| 17:27.31 | Disconnect | who was saying the n900 needed a solid first charge..? its sitting at the office waiting for me, wondering what i need to do with it today to make sure its rocking a decent battery life on wed |
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| 17:30.35 | Vreag4e5 | ÷å çà ãîðîä |
| 17:30.36 | Vreag4e5 | ? |
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| 17:33.33 | FauxFaux | Vreag4e5: Utf-8 please. |
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| 17:33.57 | ds3 | urgg... 3 reboots in 3 days :( |
| 17:33.57 | Vreag4e5 | made in Rassia? |
| 17:36.17 | Vreag4e5 | you |
| 17:36.19 | Vreag4e5 | ? |
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| 17:36.55 | Vreag4e5 | gfwfys |
| 17:37.01 | tripzero | where is PR1.2???!!!1eleven |
| 17:37.13 | Vreag4e5 | ïàöàíû âû îòóäà |
| 17:37.13 | TomaszD | tomorrow |
| 17:37.19 | Vreag4e5 | àìåðèêàíöû ïàäëû |
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| 17:40.51 | ds3 | http://socghop.appspot.com |
| 17:40.54 | ds3 | bah |
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| 17:49.34 | wazd | ??????? ?? ???????? |
| 17:50.16 | pupnik | Lufthansa said 'there was ânot the slightest scratchâ on the planes, despite their having flown through the âsupposedly critical zone.â' |
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| 17:51.04 | wazd | pupnik: they can be right, cause ash won't scratch the plain, just stop it's engines :) |
| 17:51.39 | pupnik | it does scratch the plane also. see incident report of the flame out |
| 17:51.50 | noobmonk3y | grumbles.... work network is dying a fould death :( grrrrrrrrr |
| 17:52.29 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 17:52.37 | RST38h | pupnik: Were the passengers alive, too? |
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| 17:52.43 | RST38h | [just checking] |
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| 17:53.19 | pupnik | yes |
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| 17:54.41 | Vreag4e5 | âû îòêóäà |
| 17:54.45 | Vreag4e5 | ëþäè |
| 17:54.47 | Vreag4e5 | ? |
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| 17:55.03 | Hibernica | Screen badly in need of calibration, but calibration tool refuses input because it thinks the tapping is in the wrong place. Great. |
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| 17:55.54 | loft306 | bah just fly under it and charge more for the extra fuel... till your clear of it |
| 17:56.47 | Vreag4e5 | ÑëÓõÀåÒ «( System Of A Down - Revenga )»-*-«( 03:21/03:52 )»-*-«( Äðóãîé ñòèëü )» |
| 17:57.04 | RST38h | Vreag: English only please |
| 17:57.04 | pupnik | correct loft306 |
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| 17:57.22 | pupnik | that is called logic. but government stands in the way |
| 17:57.38 | loft306 | :) |
| 17:58.11 | Hibernica | Hard to fly under a descending cloud |
| 17:58.27 | Veggen | pupnik: the problem is that the ash isn't evenly distributed, etc. hard to know, and one sort of lacks empirical data. |
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| 17:59.24 | Veggen | ...so I agree, one should use the chance now to do some studies and trials now. |
| 17:59.31 | pupnik | we have sufficient order-of-magnitude estimation techniques |
| 17:59.42 | RST38h | logic is easy if you are allowed to discard facts that prevent you from making desired conclusions |
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| 18:00.56 | Veggen | pupnik: well. one doesn't really know enough to actually make meaningful calculations yet? |
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| 18:01.00 | Hibernica | If a 747 bodyslams the Alps, 'we had good estimates' won't really cut it |
| 18:01.37 | Veggen | air traffic is, however, known to be paranoid... |
| 18:01.56 | pupnik | veggen yes! i can look through 100km of sky and it has less darkness than 30m of a smoke plume |
| 18:02.06 | Veggen | <---waited one hour while KLM fixed the plane, few weeks ago. What was broken? A red alarm button in a toilet. |
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| 18:02.50 | loft306 | the other thing is the dust can totaly screw up the ability for radar to see the planes |
| 18:03.06 | SpeedEvil | the dust has effectively no radar cross-section |
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| 18:03.14 | SpeedEvil | it cannot be seen on most radars |
| 18:03.19 | Disconnect | guys. seriously. logic and safety has no place in a good conspiracy theory! |
| 18:03.31 | Veggen | true. I guess :) |
| 18:03.50 | RST38h | As I said, this is all an evil plot to prevent us from seeing God's testicles |
| 18:03.55 | loft306 | lunch! |
| 18:03.56 | RST38h | YES, He is out there! |
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| 18:04.38 | Disconnect | (istr when the dust is electrically charged it can mess with both ground-based and plane-based radar units. but i can't quote a source so..) |
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| 18:05.50 | RST38h | + you cannot really fly above the clouds because then you will hit the solid ceiling, and the Secret World Government does not want you to find out it exists. |
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| 18:06.25 | RST38h | They would rather let you think there is "space" |
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| 18:07.01 | Disconnect | ok off to get my n900 |
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| 18:10.51 | trumee | is there no qt3support package for maemo? |
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| 18:14.04 | RST38h | no |
| 18:14.46 | trumee | cant build mythtv under maemo then. it needs qt3support |
| 18:15.26 | trumee | does Qt maemo source has qt3support. can i build qt from source. |
| 18:15.35 | RST38h | wonders if Xournal will ever work properly again |
| 18:16.13 | ds3 | crap, did the last update break xournal? |
| 18:16.18 | opdf2 | so ive made sure my skype name and pw are absolutely correct. What else can cause authentication error on my n900 skype? |
| 18:16.29 | RST38h | Anidel broke Xournal |
| 18:16.38 | RST38h | Never fixed it, just broke it more and more |
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| 18:17.28 | ds3 | guess I ought to revert that update :( |
| 18:17.57 | ds3 | maybe after finding out if it isn't more broken then the rest ofthe system |
| 18:17.57 | Vreag4e5 | ÑëÓõÀåÒ «( Vanessa Mae - Storm )»-*-«( 00:31/03:43 )»-*-«( Äðóãîé ñòèëü )» |
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| 18:21.56 | RST38h | ds3: Color selection does not work. Mode selection does not work. |
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| 18:24.49 | opdf2 | nm for some reason i had to create a new skype account, sign in, sign out, then sign in with my old skype account |
| 18:25.20 | RST38h | Vreag4e5: One more time: Please, only use English here and turn off automated messages. Nobody needs to know what you are listening to. |
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| 18:26.40 | fipu | Vanadis |
| 18:26.53 | Vanadis | ach fuuu |
| 18:27.20 | fipu | WTF |
| 18:27.21 | fipu | ? |
| 18:30.09 | RST38h | http://blog.atnnn.com/p/handwriting-recognition-with-cellwriter-on-the-n900/ !!!!! |
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| 18:30.59 | ds3 | RST38h: I am averaging 1 reboot a day to unwedge the N900... those seem like minor issues |
| 18:31.22 | RST38h | unwedge? |
| 18:31.31 | ds3 | yes, as in it doesn't do squat |
| 18:31.47 | SpeedEvil | ds3: what're you doing? |
| 18:31.59 | ds3 | might be mapper's fault thought but I don't have the time to try all the combos |
| 18:32.05 | SpeedEvil | ds3: I almost never get it that wedged unless I do something silly |
| 18:32.08 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: running mapper while traveling |
| 18:32.19 | trumee | RST38h: the docs mention qt3support in the qt maemo, http://doc.trolltech.com/qt-maemo-4.6/qt3support.html |
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| 18:32.40 | SpeedEvil | ds3: while true;do ps;sleep 60;date >log;done |
| 18:32.45 | SpeedEvil | ds3: to a file somewhere |
| 18:32.54 | trumee | RST38h: does it mean that the source have it but only missing in the binaries. |
| 18:33.04 | ds3 | the first time, it drained the batteries flat at an accelerated pace; the other two times, I had to hold down the power button for a long time before it responsed |
| 18:33.05 | Vreag4e5 | » RST38h » ok |
| 18:33.42 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: I suspect something is pegging the CPU hard so I don't think that'd have time to run |
| 18:33.55 | SpeedEvil | ds3: possibly. |
| 18:34.05 | ds3 | btw, by respond I mean powering off |
| 18:34.12 | RST38h | trumee: Afaik, nobody ever cared to compile this package and place it into a repo |
| 18:34.26 | Vreag4e5 | » RST38h » Where are you from? |
| 18:34.32 | SpeedEvil | ds3: however - such isn't unliekly to be developing for some time before it crashes |
| 18:34.44 | RST38h | Inner Mongolia. You? |
| 18:34.55 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: hmmm... doesn't the 900 have the same watchdogs? |
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| 18:36.18 | ds3 | when that thing works, it is quite nice but the windows of time that it does work is so small :/ |
| 18:36.26 | Vreag4e5 | » RST38h » From Russia |
| 18:37.45 | Vreag4e5 | America? |
| 18:38.38 | ds3 | one good thing is the screen seems to be amazingly scratch resistant |
| 18:38.47 | RST38h | yea, right... |
| 18:38.56 | RST38h | looks at the scratches |
| 18:38.57 | SpeedEvil | ds3: possbly |
| 18:39.13 | ds3 | RST38h: compared to the 800 it is... |
| 18:39.22 | RST38h | ah |
| 18:39.32 | Vreag4e5 | » RST38h » ok |
| 18:39.37 | SpeedEvil | ds3: I have utterly destroyed one screen protector by accidentally placing some seccateurs in the wrong packet, and bending up and down a few hundred times. |
| 18:39.51 | ds3 | I just came back from field use and I am surprised the dust (volcanic ash, ironically) didn't seem to have touched it |
| 18:40.21 | Vreag4e5 | » RST38h » but you have beautiful girls sitting here? |
| 18:40.26 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: I see... to be fair, I kept both the 800 and the 900 in a pouch/sleeve |
| 18:40.34 | wazd | RST38h: stop lying to people, you're from Sirius :D |
| 18:41.07 | RST38h | spits out a mouse head and glares at wazd accusingly |
| 18:41.32 | Vreag4e5 | He liar |
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| 18:42.28 | lcuk | RST38h, which generation have you got |
| 18:42.35 | wazd | RST38h: ok! I surrender! You've already destroyed my planet to honor The Tentacled One! |
| 18:42.40 | wazd | ck* |
| 18:43.02 | Vreag4e5 | You deserve a life to death |
| 18:43.08 | Vreag4e5 | ? |
| 18:43.40 | thresh | mongolia is russia, yeah right |
| 18:44.02 | wazd | thresh: makes sense :) |
| 18:44.04 | RST38h | lcuk: Last one! |
| 18:44.27 | lcuk | when did you get it? |
| 18:44.27 | RST38h | wazd: Destroyed? Why destroy Tentacled's food supply? |
| 18:44.38 | Vreag4e5 | UEFA ebnulsya? |
| 18:44.46 | Vreag4e5 | » thresh » |
| 18:45.01 | thresh | huh? |
| 18:45.11 | RST38h | lcuk: I have no idea, it depends on what you are takling about =) |
| 18:45.36 | lcuk | the device with the wonky screen - which are you talking about |
| 18:45.53 | Vreag4e5 | yes |
| 18:47.21 | Vreag4e5 | you how to feel about vodka? |
| 18:47.46 | Vreag4e5 | ñêîêà âàì ëåò? |
| 18:47.54 | Vreag4e5 | lope old are you? |
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| 18:50.54 | thresh | who let a retard on a channel? |
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| 18:53.04 | GroupingClearSky | not ponel |
| 18:54.55 | GroupingClearSky | here is a girl? |
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| 18:58.24 | noobmonk3y | w00t_, are you alive young sirrrrrrr? :D |
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| 18:59.10 | noobmonk3y | anyone know how to set a font color on a QtGui.QProgressDialog ? :D |
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| 19:00.24 | w00t_ | see QWidget.setPalette docs |
| 19:00.38 | w00t_ | I haven't actually done it myself, but that should help you in the right direction |
| 19:00.48 | w00t_ | bbl make dinner |
| 19:01.17 | wazd | ok, let's talk bout balalaykas, vodka and bears :) |
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| 19:01.53 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, using the setlabel(QLabel*) property cant you pass a pre configured label |
| 19:02.25 | lcuk | since the label itself is a composite widget added within the qprogressdialog |
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| 19:04.04 | noobmonk3y | :| |
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| 19:09.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Is there any utility available for the N900 which will turn off email checking based on time? |
| 19:10.20 | dima202 | Was anyone able to install screen? |
| 19:11.45 | dima202 | apt-get install screen and i get This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:11.48 | dima202 | is only available from another source |
| 19:12.07 | dima202 | I have extras /testing/devel all enabled |
| 19:12.46 | Arkenoi | dunno, installs just fine for me |
| 19:13.01 | dima202 | where from Arkenoi ? |
| 19:13.26 | Arkenoi | Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free screen 4.0.3-0.3osso4+0m5 [595kB] |
| 19:13.26 | Arkenoi | Get:2 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ libncursesw5 5.7+20081213-1.maemo1+0m5 [341kB] |
| 19:13.26 | Arkenoi | Fetched 936kB in 5s (158kB/s) |
| 19:13.32 | dima202 | thatnks |
| 19:13.35 | dima202 | thanks* |
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| 19:18.37 | dima202 | wait which repository is that in |
| 19:19.10 | dima202 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free,deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ fremantle free non-free or deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
| 19:19.42 | Arkenoi | you need tools repository to be enabled as well |
| 19:20.39 | dima202 | What's the locations for the tools repository? |
| 19:20.50 | dima202 | I dont see it in http://repository.maemo.org/ |
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| 19:21.37 | dima202 | oh is it the sdk repo? |
| 19:21.53 | Arkenoi | yes |
| 19:22.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, anyone know the path to the Modest config files? |
| 19:23.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Finding anything on this bloomin' device is needle-in-a-haystack like |
| 19:24.20 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Aha! |
| 19:24.32 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, looking into the setlabeltext - it literally just sets the label text, not colours etc |
| 19:24.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | < l2u find |
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| 19:24.49 | noobmonk3y | oh hold on you said setllabel |
| 19:24.50 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 19:24.54 | noobmonk3y | setlabel* |
| 19:25.22 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, thats not what i said :p |
| 19:25.36 | lcuk | setlabel allows you to pass a complete label in |
| 19:25.37 | noobmonk3y | well, setlabel(QLabel* |
| 19:25.56 | lcuk | yeah - the qlabel widget you pass it is used on the widget |
| 19:26.06 | Gadgetoid_mbp | AHA! |
| 19:26.15 | lcuk | now of course |
| 19:26.24 | lcuk | i dunno how you change the colour of that |
| 19:26.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Aha /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest/%gconf.xml .... I love this phone! |
| 19:27.03 | dima202 | Arkenoi: in SDK i do not see tools |
| 19:27.19 | dima202 | Why does everyone find this tools repository except me!! |
| 19:27.24 | noobmonk3y | lol lcuk |
| 19:27.26 | dima202 | lol :( |
| 19:28.03 | lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle sdk/free sdk/non-free tools/free tools/non-free |
| 19:28.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Now I must learn to use gconftool |
| 19:28.05 | noobmonk3y | hmmm figured that part |
| 19:28.13 | noobmonk3y | but unfortunatley it doesnt set the progress bar color |
| 19:28.15 | noobmonk3y | sooooooooooo |
| 19:28.19 | dima202 | http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/944/angryworker3ve.gif <- how i feel |
| 19:28.22 | noobmonk3y | i set a new progress bar in its place |
| 19:28.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And then learn to schedule gconftool to change the auto update setting of modest |
| 19:28.30 | noobmonk3y | in the same way as qlabel........ nothing appeared ;) |
| 19:28.34 | lcuk | dima202, on repository.maemo.org its missing the fremantle ones, but it includes repository info for diablo |
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| 19:28.47 | lcuk | with a minor wave of magic wand - you can make those work in fremantle |
| 19:29.04 | dima202 | ok, thanks, I will try it |
| 19:29.08 | noobmonk3y | would be ok if the progress bar text didnt vanish at 50% :( |
| 19:29.09 | ToJa92 | nice, I accidentaly opened tvo mIRC so they were fighting with each other... :( |
| 19:29.18 | noobmonk3y | lol ToJa92 |
| 19:29.48 | ToJa92 | well nothing happened the first time so I tried starting another and didn't notice the first one :P |
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| 19:33.27 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, i wanted to put a little app together at weekend |
| 19:33.33 | lcuk | in pyqt |
| 19:33.39 | noobmonk3y | oooo yay! |
| 19:33.44 | noobmonk3y | healthcheck the healthcheck? |
| 19:35.53 | mece | hey |
| 19:36.22 | mece | how do I pipe "find ./ | grep .svn" to rm -rf? |
| 19:36.30 | mece | Am crap att commandline magic. |
| 19:36.41 | dima202 | Is it possible to give more codecs to the default media player |
| 19:36.54 | xea | find . -name ".svn" -exec rm -rf {} \; ? |
| 19:36.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Does the N900 have an active cron daemon? |
| 19:37.10 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, but i couldnt find a qt native method to do what i wanted! |
| 19:37.15 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 19:37.18 | ToJa92 | [dima202]: FLAC and OGG is possible to play after you install a package |
| 19:37.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | gconftool --type bool --set /apps/modest/auto_update false :D awesome |
| 19:37.28 | noobmonk3y | so you will bastardize other methods to fit? :D |
| 19:37.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | overnight super battery life saving |
| 19:37.57 | ToJa92 | [Gadgetoid_mbp]: I don't think so but fcron is available in extras-devel I think |
| 19:38.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ToJa92: cheers, I'll have to have a look |
| 19:38.21 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I got a little suspicious when I could only find an empty cron.daily |
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| 19:38.39 | noobmonk3y | Gadgetoid_mbp, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Alarm_Framework ? |
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| 19:39.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | noobmonk3y: you're my hero of the hour |
| 19:39.31 | ToJa92 | [Gadgetoid_mbp]: Here, have a wiki page about fcron if you're interested: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron |
| 19:39.41 | noobmonk3y | lol :) - tis a pleasure :) |
| 19:39.49 | noobmonk3y | Gadgetoid_mbp, i heard there is possibly 3 methods |
| 19:39.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And you, too, ToJa92 |
| 19:39.51 | mece | xea, what does the {} \; mean? |
| 19:39.53 | noobmonk3y | trying to find the tmo thread |
| 19:39.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Choices are good :D |
| 19:40.02 | ToJa92 | No problem :) |
| 19:40.06 | noobmonk3y | lol 2 should get you started ;) |
| 19:40.10 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm inclined more toward fcron as it's familiar territory |
| 19:40.13 | noobmonk3y | gotta love #maemo ;) |
| 19:40.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But also means I can't package it up, or recommend it for inclusion in Tweakr I guess |
| 19:40.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Scheduling email checking on/off would be an excellent addition to Tweakr |
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| 19:40.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | As the battery life savings are immense |
| 19:41.00 | xea | mece that substitutes the actual path |
| 19:41.26 | ToJa92 | That would be great :D (Although my doesn't seem to check at the specified interval) |
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| 19:41.55 | oscillik | is listening to Linux Outlaws |
| 19:42.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Mine seems to get emails a bit late, even on 5 mins |
| 19:42.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Would be nice to increase the interval when on battery, too, and things of that nature |
| 19:42.24 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Err... decrease |
| 19:42.53 | dima202 | ToJa92: which package to enable flac and ogg? |
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| 19:43.14 | ToJa92 | hang on, checking |
| 19:43.43 | ToJa92 | it's in extras-devel I think though, so usual warnings apply |
| 19:44.09 | mece | xea, worked, thanks a bunch :) |
| 19:44.17 | ToJa92 | It's name is "ogg support" |
| 19:44.23 | dima202 | ok thanks |
| 19:44.34 | opdf2 | what usb transfer speed should i be expecting from n900? |
| 19:44.47 | opdf2 | I'm getting 2.4 megabytes/sec. Is that decent? |
| 19:45.12 | dima202 | I'm curious, my display dims while im using the device and stays dim for a few seconds even though i am usin the device. is this normal? |
| 19:45.55 | xea | mece: you're welcome |
| 19:46.09 | ShadowJK | dima202, there's an ambient light sensor. it bright ambient light hte screen is brighter, in dark it's darker. You probably accidentally covered it |
| 19:46.39 | noobmonk3y | dima - simple brightness app sorts that auto dim rubbish out i think |
| 19:46.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Well, bugger me... I think modest uses alarmd for its incremental updates anyway |
| 19:47.29 | ToJa92 | [opdf2]: I've never checked actual transfer speeds, but I think mine were faster than that... |
| 19:47.31 | ToJa92 | is* |
| 19:48.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Shame I cannae find a for-dummies alarmd command line pokey thingamejigamabob |
| 19:48.28 | dima202 | ogg support is working great :) |
| 19:48.36 | Disconnect | i already miss newsrob :( (http://newsrob.blogspot.com/) i'll get over it tho ;) |
| 19:49.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Oooo, there's a GUI :D HAAII!! |
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| 19:51.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Dear #maemo. I love you. |
| 19:52.11 | mece | ok, fixed rightclick for Heroes of Might and Magic 2 (fheroes2) |
| 19:52.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Wow, at 10.5mb alarmed is heavyweight |
| 19:53.05 | pupnik | hheh |
| 19:53.27 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And whinging about the lack of libqt4, which I'm gonna guess is where the weight is coming from |
| 19:53.32 | mece | it's ctrl-click now. |
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| 19:54.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh jesus, a headache-inducing dependency mess |
| 19:55.09 | mece | is wget and unzip in extras? |
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| 19:57.06 | Disconnect | nice. the stylus was exactly where i expected it to be. the landscape-only thing is annoying tho. |
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| 19:58.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | What, where, stylus, who? |
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| 19:58.39 | GAN900 | doesn't get the portrait fixation. |
| 19:58.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Portrait is good for... err... |
| 19:58.52 | ToJa92 | [mece]: Yes, extras-devel I think |
| 19:58.54 | GAN900 | It's unusable for 90% of stuff |
| 19:58.58 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Really really really narrow web pages? |
| 19:59.06 | GAN900 | and the rest basically already has it. |
| 19:59.09 | tgalal | hey I can't find call with skype.. it disappeared after switching to another skype account ?!!! |
| 19:59.13 | GAN900 | Gadgetoid_mbp, exactly. |
| 19:59.31 | mece | Toja92, ok yes I was wondering if it was in extras. But I guess not. |
| 19:59.33 | tripzero | idk, i'd like portrait for stuff |
| 19:59.35 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I've never missed it, all I want is for the goddamned phone app to fix in landscape so it doesn't do that stupid switching |
| 19:59.35 | Disconnect | Gadgetoid_mbp: scrolling lists of -anything-. contacts. 3 column websites with content in the middle column (ie most of them). one handed use. |
| 19:59.46 | ToJa92 | [mece]: Well you could always try and see :) |
| 19:59.50 | GAN900 | Gadgetoid_mbp, turn the switching off? |
| 19:59.55 | GAN900 | Gadgetoid_mbp, it's a setting. |
| 20:00.34 | mece | Toja92, I have them installed, just wondering wherefrom I got them. Anyway it's no difference. |
| 20:00.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | GAN900: where is it buried? |
| 20:00.53 | ToJa92 | [mece]: Oh |
| 20:01.17 | GAN900 | Gadgetoid_mbp, should be in the menu of the phone application. |
| 20:01.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It does "portrait" or "automatic" |
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| 20:01.51 | GAN900 | What do you want? |
| 20:02.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | A "fuck off you're not an iPhone" option would be nice :D |
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| 20:03.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | "landscape" alas... although "automatic" is okay-ish |
| 20:03.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Doesn't do a jarring forced-switch when you open the app, at least |
| 20:03.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | looks like I've hit a roadblock in my evil plans for email checking domination, alarmed is bust for PR1.1 |
| 20:04.24 | dima202 | why is http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/ "Directory listing is not allowed " |
| 20:04.34 | GAN900 | Gadgetoid_mbp, file an enhancement request? |
| 20:04.46 | GAN900 | (assuming it hasn't already been filed) |
| 20:05.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I imagine it would have... I can't be the only one! |
| 20:06.36 | mece | dima202, go with pool instead if you want listings. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ |
| 20:07.32 | dima202 | mece: ok, thanks i'll check it out |
| 20:08.21 | Macer | well |
| 20:08.25 | Macer | does maemo5 use microb still? |
| 20:08.40 | oscillik | yes |
| 20:08.44 | Macer | i was just curious because from what i hear it works with zimbra's ajax interface |
| 20:08.48 | Macer | which is pretty awesome |
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| 20:12.45 | Wolfie | i simply can't not post this here, and challenge all of you: http://reprog.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/are-you-one-of-the-10-percent/ |
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| 20:17.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 posted |
| 20:17.44 | povbot | Bug 9972: Time sensitive "auto update" functionality |
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| 20:19.44 | noobmonk3y_ | breathes heavily..... aghhhhhhhhh and............... relax |
| 20:20.49 | Timbo | is there a way to get rid of the ctrl soft key in maemo xterm? |
| 20:20.58 | Timbo | it's pretty redundant and i never use it |
| 20:21.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | :D |
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| 20:21.57 | mece | Timbo, yes there is actually. |
| 20:21.59 | mece | umm |
| 20:22.02 | mece | how was it again |
| 20:22.04 | mece | right.. |
| 20:22.07 | mece | there's a thread |
| 20:22.17 | Timbo | you can change the existing soft keys |
| 20:22.25 | mece | yep |
| 20:22.26 | Timbo | but it doesn't seem like there is a way to remove the ctrl key |
| 20:22.31 | mece | no? |
| 20:22.33 | mece | hmm |
| 20:22.44 | Lumpio- | Binary search is hard? >_> |
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| 20:22.59 | Timbo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926 |
| 20:23.29 | mece | oh righty. the ctrl is there anyway. |
| 20:23.44 | mece | well then i don't know. |
| 20:24.04 | Timbo | thanks anyway |
| 20:26.23 | MohammadAG | hmm, does anyone know why running an app as sudo makes it use the non-hildon theme? |
| 20:26.43 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, :| |
| 20:26.53 | noobmonk3y_ | shouldnt do? should it? |
| 20:26.54 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, ? |
| 20:27.07 | MohammadAG | I want it to without sudo |
| 20:27.17 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, install gtktetris to see what I mean |
| 20:27.30 | MohammadAG | hmm, debbie does that too (without the sudo though( |
| 20:27.34 | noobmonk3y_ | will do :D - just faffing with h/c atm |
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| 20:31.03 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, your app doesn't work as root lol |
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| 20:31.17 | noobmonk3y_ | lol should it? |
| 20:31.38 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 20:31.41 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 20:31.44 | noobmonk3y_ | :D |
| 20:31.44 | MohammadAG | it does as root |
| 20:31.48 | noobmonk3y_ | oooo |
| 20:31.48 | MohammadAG | just not with sudo |
| 20:31.54 | MohammadAG | is confused |
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| 20:32.02 | MohammadAG | sudo breaks dbus |
| 20:32.47 | Madsy | I'm using objdump to deassemble a binary stub, and both `objdump`, `arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump` and `arm-linux-objdump` segfaults and dumps core. Anyone else seeing this? |
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| 20:34.12 | Madsy | objcopy -O binary --only-section .text a-binary foo.bin |
| 20:34.14 | Madsy | arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump -D -m armv4t -b binary foo.bin |
| 20:34.39 | Madsy | It only happens with the binary BFD |
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| 20:50.09 | frals | hmm |
| 20:50.26 | frals | "If it was not possible to integrate fmms into conversations in the future, how about a fully integrated media manager where we can browse all files and choose send via email, mms, bluetooth, etc combining a couple of apps into one" |
| 20:50.35 | frals | i hope he doesnt expect me to turn fmms into that o_O |
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| 20:51.35 | thresh | how do i bind kp-enter to enter in mutt? |
| 20:52.38 | thresh | macro generic "<kp-enter>" enter just doesnt work :( |
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| 20:54.44 | frals | http://twitter.com/Eyjafjallajokul rofl |
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| 20:59.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Woo, fcron works ;D |
| 21:00.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | 0 22 * * * gconftool --type bool --set /apps/modest/auto_update false = longer battery life and peace & quiet after 10pm |
| 21:00.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | In theory, anyway |
| 21:01.05 | MohammadAG | halt would make it quiet-er |
| 21:05.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | True, that |
| 21:05.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But wouldn't be much use if I'm trying to podcast myself to sleep |
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| 21:07.03 | MohammadAG | i was jk anyways :) |
| 21:08.07 | lcuk | wow noobmonk3y_ really nice mockup you have been sent |
| 21:08.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But it's true, one of the entries in fcron is a midnight phone reboot, interesting concept for performance/stability |
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| 21:09.10 | noobmonk3y_ | :D :D :D |
| 21:09.14 | noobmonk3y_ | it is quite cool |
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| 21:09.21 | noobmonk3y_ | i've actually kept it black n white for now |
| 21:09.25 | lcuk | noobmonk3y_, i would increase very slightly size and bold (add emphasis) the results text |
| 21:09.26 | noobmonk3y_ | but centralised the tab bars :D |
| 21:09.30 | lcuk | but otherwise very clean |
| 21:09.41 | noobmonk3y_ | css colors (colours!!!!) not playing ball atm |
| 21:09.51 | lcuk | yeah can work on them later obviously |
| 21:10.24 | MohammadAG | if I install a ping package, what would happen when I type ping? |
| 21:10.33 | MohammadAG | (will busybox get confused?) |
| 21:10.40 | lcuk | you will systematically implode |
| 21:10.52 | lcuk | i doubt it |
| 21:11.09 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:11.10 | lcuk | but backup ping binary just in case if you are worried |
| 21:11.18 | SpeedEvil | busybox is by default confused |
| 21:11.27 | SpeedEvil | you can only unconfuse it by removing it. |
| 21:12.10 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, not for a package :) |
| 21:12.26 | MohammadAG | (Although I really want coreutils and bash instead of it) |
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| 21:13.11 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: for non interactive use, busybox is good |
| 21:13.24 | SpeedEvil | it's got lots better performance than coreutils |
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| 21:13.44 | SpeedEvil | simply as you don't need to load a binary into RAM, it's already there |
| 21:14.11 | MohammadAG | makes sense |
| 21:14.12 | noobmonk3y_ | lcuk, MohammadAG - http://www.greg-roberts.com/s.png |
| 21:14.39 | MohammadAG | NICE battery icon! |
| 21:14.40 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 21:14.44 | noobmonk3y_ | :D :D :D |
| 21:14.45 | MohammadAG | likes the changes |
| 21:15.09 | noobmonk3y_ | want to change that top left menu selector icon thingy |
| 21:15.15 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, what's the black bar at the bottom? |
| 21:15.25 | SpeedEvil | I want a battery that indicates charge when charging |
| 21:15.28 | noobmonk3y_ | status bar looks like it is making an appearence! |
| 21:15.38 | noobmonk3y_ | goes to sort that out! |
| 21:15.48 | noobmonk3y_ | oh no, i made some fonts smaller |
| 21:15.51 | noobmonk3y_ | need to extend it |
| 21:16.00 | MohammadAG | LOL I never saw that bar |
| 21:16.30 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, did you sort out text wrap? |
| 21:16.35 | noobmonk3y_ | yup |
| 21:16.39 | noobmonk3y_ | all fixed in this version |
| 21:16.48 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, bar is only in this version too |
| 21:16.50 | SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y_: what is this? |
| 21:16.53 | noobmonk3y_ | (Havnt changed version number yet |
| 21:17.04 | noobmonk3y_ | SpeedEvil, - playing around with CSS for healthcheck |
| 21:17.10 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 21:17.51 | noobmonk3y_ | lol MohammadAG i retract that, no idea what th ebar is |
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| 21:22.19 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, it's for horizontal scrolling |
| 21:22.36 | MohammadAG | the scrollbar |
| 21:22.37 | noobmonk3y_ | nope :( |
| 21:22.56 | noobmonk3y_ | all in line now, no bar :| |
| 21:24.55 | noobmonk3y_ | definitley the style sheet |
| 21:24.59 | noobmonk3y_ | got it down to 2px |
| 21:25.10 | MohammadAG | get it down to -2 :P |
| 21:25.26 | MohammadAG | frals, any MMS from yesterday? |
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| 21:28.42 | MohammadAG | curses his failed build |
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| 21:32.53 | noobmonk3y_ | pats Mo on the head.... life goes on ;) |
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| 21:34.07 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 21:34.17 | noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
| 21:35.11 | noobmonk3y_ | brb |
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| 21:53.31 | noobmonk3y_ | w0000ts |
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| 21:53.43 | MohammadAG | yay he fixed it |
| 21:53.46 | noobmonk3y_ | HealthCheck new version just going into extras devel :D |
| 21:53.58 | noobmonk3y_ | actually no, still got a mini little bottom bar |
| 21:54.08 | noobmonk3y_ | just testing the line you told me about in the desktop file |
| 21:54.12 | MohammadAG | doesn't mind, you fixed something lol |
| 21:54.17 | noobmonk3y_ | hehe yeah |
| 21:55.29 | MohammadAG | Nokia Messaging seems a bit faster |
| 21:55.39 | MohammadAG | it's actually push for all my email accounts now |
| 21:56.16 | noobmonk3y_ | now? |
| 21:56.34 | MohammadAG | well it's push for me now |
| 21:56.44 | noobmonk3y_ | now since.... you turned it to push? :D |
| 21:56.45 | MohammadAG | they might have updated the server side stuff |
| 21:56.59 | noobmonk3y_ | hehe - have to admit nokia messaging has just...... worked for me, quite impressed |
| 21:57.00 | MohammadAG | lol, it used to fetch my ovi mail as push |
| 21:57.04 | MohammadAG | but it pulled my gmail |
| 21:57.14 | noobmonk3y_ | yeah it pushes my yahoo quite well :D |
| 21:57.23 | MohammadAG | very useful for maemo bugs |
| 21:57.30 | MohammadAG | and package comments |
| 21:57.33 | noobmonk3y_ | :P |
| 21:57.54 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure why I have my Junk folder subscribed |
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| 21:59.23 | noobmonk3y_ | :P |
| 21:59.27 | w00t_ | anyone know if there is a way (dbus signal maybe?) to tell when the app switcher is opened/closed? |
| 21:59.54 | w00t_ | from dbus-monitor, it doesn't seem like it, so I'm hoping there's another way |
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| 22:00.21 | MohammadAG | the dashboard? |
| 22:00.34 | w00t_ | the thing that appears with live thumbnails of running apps |
| 22:00.39 | w00t_ | app switcher :p |
| 22:00.48 | noobmonk3y_ | meh icon has vanished from HAM again :( |
| 22:01.10 | noobmonk3y_ | oooooo good question w00t_ |
| 22:01.38 | w00t_ | and a difficult one, as far as I can tell |
| 22:01.48 | w00t_ | cannot find any way to do that, and it's annoying |
| 22:01.54 | MohammadAG | I'm kind of asking myself something |
| 22:02.03 | MohammadAG | if you're in an app it's not in the switcher |
| 22:02.13 | MohammadAG | Oh I can tell why you need it |
| 22:02.28 | MohammadAG | to update facebrick when someone goes into the dashboard |
| 22:02.39 | w00t_ | not quite, no, this isn't facebrick related |
| 22:02.45 | w00t_ | seperate app, cooler one |
| 22:02.47 | noobmonk3y_ | facepalm related? |
| 22:02.55 | MohammadAG | gets excited |
| 22:03.03 | w00t_ | (not ready to talk about it just now :P) |
| 22:03.14 | MohammadAG | loses excitement |
| 22:03.26 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, go to extras devel and download HealthCheck ;) |
| 22:03.30 | noobmonk3y_ | you know you wanna ;) |
| 22:03.51 | MohammadAG | seriously needs a nuclear battery |
| 22:04.04 | noobmonk3y_ | has anyone overclocked her btw? - need to test the cpu frequencies field some more |
| 22:04.25 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, nearly all of the system tabs info update via click now :D |
| 22:04.35 | noobmonk3y_ | added system load too |
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| 22:04.53 | noobmonk3y_ | by her, i meant here* lol |
| 22:05.03 | ds3 | I'll settle for a stable system at this point |
| 22:05.16 | noobmonk3y_ | :D |
| 22:05.16 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, I'm still waiting for DocS and Speed Evil (spaces to not ping them) to start warning about overclocking |
| 22:05.32 | MohammadAG | or arguing :P |
| 22:05.35 | noobmonk3y_ | lol they can warn all they want, i'm just interested in testing |
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| 22:05.49 | noobmonk3y_ | if people want to do it, they can do ti :D - i aint no mother :D |
| 22:05.58 | noobmonk3y_ | it* |
| 22:06.27 | MohammadAG | echos false values into the scaling frequencies file |
| 22:06.32 | MohammadAG | 7000 here I come |
| 22:06.41 | ToJa92 | Lol |
| 22:06.55 | ds3 | put in a faster chip if you want to go faster |
| 22:07.06 | opdf2 | anyone from USA order Vikuiti DQC-160? |
| 22:07.47 | ToJa92 | [noobmonk3y_]: I could try healthcheck out, I have overclocked |
| 22:07.53 | noobmonk3y_ | :P |
| 22:08.04 | noobmonk3y_ | thanks ToJa92 - new version in devel |
| 22:08.11 | noobmonk3y_ | it should force a new line |
| 22:08.17 | noobmonk3y_ | on the frequencies line :D |
| 22:08.39 | ToJa92 | just waiting for fennec to finish updating so I can download it :P |
| 22:08.42 | noobmonk3y_ | beforehand it expanded the list so you had to scroll sideways - was a bit messy |
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| 22:09.43 | noobmonk3y_ | cool :D thanks :D |
| 22:10.17 | ToJa92 | how come some applications can be updated in app manager even though they have 'conflicting packages' ? |
| 22:10.30 | MohammadAG | Oooh new desktop file :D |
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| 22:11.10 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 22:11.13 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, |
| 22:11.17 | MohammadAG | can you increase the top bar a bit? |
| 22:11.23 | noobmonk3y_ | increase? |
| 22:11.38 | MohammadAG | yeah, sec |
| 22:12.02 | noobmonk3y_ | ToJa92, no idea! |
| 22:12.06 | vblazquez | Hi, i'm trying to package an application, i did it succesfully, with dpkg -i application.deb works fine, but with the app manager is not working, is it needed something special? |
| 22:12.14 | noobmonk3y_ | think its a temp fix until pr1.2 |
| 22:12.31 | noobmonk3y_ | what do you mean with the app manager? auto builder? |
| 22:12.38 | noobmonk3y_ | hi by the way :D hehe |
| 22:12.49 | vblazquez | under gui |
| 22:12.55 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, http://i42.tinypic.com/2445iwz.jpg |
| 22:13.11 | noobmonk3y_ | moh, you can scroll it down lol |
| 22:13.17 | noobmonk3y_ | little overlap looks cool i think :( |
| 22:13.19 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, HAM |
| 22:13.24 | noobmonk3y_ | Ham sandwhich? |
| 22:13.31 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, lol I know |
| 22:13.48 | MohammadAG | I meant the black bar behind the 4 buttons |
| 22:13.50 | noobmonk3y_ | so did you mean to remove the overlap? |
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| 22:14.07 | noobmonk3y_ | actually, its the buttons that dangle :) |
| 22:14.24 | MohammadAG | wants MS paint |
| 22:14.31 | noobmonk3y_ | gimp will do? |
| 22:14.41 | noobmonk3y_ | actually tux paint looks good ;) |
| 22:14.43 | noobmonk3y_ | hehe |
| 22:14.43 | MohammadAG | I want a quick way lol |
| 22:14.47 | MohammadAG | don't know all labels |
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| 22:15.15 | noobmonk3y_ | anyway, what you dont like is the way the tab labels appear over the list labels? |
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| 22:15.28 | ToJa92 | is it the CPU frequencies field you want to know the value of? |
| 22:15.41 | noobmonk3y_ | ToJa92, just checking that it doesnt scroll of the screen |
| 22:15.48 | noobmonk3y_ | and that it overlaps, and creates a new line :D |
| 22:15.51 | dneary | Robot101, Ping? |
| 22:15.53 | ToJa92 | oh |
| 22:15.57 | noobmonk3y_ | if there are more than three frequencies |
| 22:16.00 | ToJa92 | well, it does not create a new line |
| 22:16.05 | noobmonk3y_ | :| eeeeeeeek |
| 22:16.09 | ToJa92 | I got like 10 frequencies |
| 22:16.16 | noobmonk3y_ | oh! |
| 22:16.20 | noobmonk3y_ | didnt predict that many! |
| 22:16.23 | ToJa92 | 14 actually |
| 22:16.24 | ToJa92 | :P |
| 22:16.25 | noobmonk3y_ | thought a max of about 8 |
| 22:16.36 | noobmonk3y_ | does it reacreate a second line? |
| 22:16.40 | noobmonk3y_ | then kinda go nuts? |
| 22:17.00 | ToJa92 | nope, the line below it says "Camera shutter state" |
| 22:17.18 | noobmonk3y_ | so you can only see a couple of your frequencies? |
| 22:17.30 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, quick professional edit http://i42.tinypic.com/10h0wwg.jpg |
| 22:17.33 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 22:17.46 | ToJa92 | no, I can see all, the table expands on width instead of new line |
| 22:17.55 | noobmonk3y_ | lol MohammadAG - will remove the dangling |
| 22:17.57 | ToJa92 | so the table is extremely wide right now |
| 22:18.02 | noobmonk3y_ | ToJa92, - will add some new lines :P |
| 22:18.10 | noobmonk3y_ | hmmm it should create a new line after the first three |
| 22:18.14 | noobmonk3y_ | so thats really confusing |
| 22:19.08 | MohammadAG | likes the expanding tables |
| 22:19.24 | noobmonk3y_ | doesn't :( |
| 22:19.26 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, did you change the font? |
| 22:19.30 | MohammadAG | it doesn't look the same |
| 22:19.42 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, yeah , CSS screws it up |
| 22:19.52 | dneary | Any San Franciscans here? |
| 22:19.52 | ToJa92 | [noobmonk3y_]: How about you do like this. You can see the first three values, then you have to click on the item to actually view the rest of them= |
| 22:19.54 | MohammadAG | likes CSS |
| 22:19.54 | ToJa92 | ? |
| 22:20.03 | ToJa92 | CSS is nice |
| 22:20.05 | noobmonk3y_ | ToJa92, sounsd great - hard to do :( |
| 22:20.13 | noobmonk3y_ | CSS Font size is smaller than before ToJa92 |
| 22:20.59 | ToJa92 | strange, after opening healthchecker my reception dropped to nothing :S |
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| 22:21.49 | ToJa92 | anyways, gotta sleep now |
| 22:21.50 | ToJa92 | later |
| 22:21.56 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, the tests look better! |
| 22:21.59 | noobmonk3y_ | thanks ToJa92 :D |
| 22:22.04 | noobmonk3y_ | Yeah MohammadAG ! :D |
| 22:22.07 | noobmonk3y_ | i thought so too :D |
| 22:22.27 | ToJa92 | no problem, you couls /msg me here if you want more testing down.. that would have to wait until tommorow though |
| 22:23.16 | noobmonk3y_ | thanks ToJa92 :D - will update another version tomorrow night ;) |
| 22:23.25 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, Will do another one for you in a minute hehe |
| 22:23.50 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:23.55 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, one more thing |
| 22:24.02 | noobmonk3y_ | oooo yeah |
| 22:24.02 | MohammadAG | does the camera test really check the back cover? |
| 22:24.06 | noobmonk3y_ | yup |
| 22:24.13 | noobmonk3y_ | try fooling it! |
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| 22:24.52 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, I did |
| 22:24.53 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 22:24.57 | noobmonk3y_ | it worked? |
| 22:25.13 | noobmonk3y_ | if it is open, it wont ask you to open it ;) |
| 22:25.32 | MohammadAG | if it's closed it will |
| 22:25.39 | MohammadAG | and if I pick yes it seems to take a pic |
| 22:25.48 | noobmonk3y_ | oh well, its a bit of a faff |
| 22:25.51 | noobmonk3y_ | but it works |
| 22:26.05 | MohammadAG | it does take a pic |
| 22:26.07 | noobmonk3y_ | :D |
| 22:26.12 | MohammadAG | I removed the back cover (it thinks it's closed) |
| 22:26.17 | noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
| 22:26.20 | noobmonk3y_ | random! |
| 22:26.56 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, actually, the mechanism it uses is racist |
| 22:27.07 | noobmonk3y_ | lol!!! |
| 22:27.10 | MohammadAG | camera is open for white surfaces, closed for black ones |
| 22:27.16 | noobmonk3y_ | awwwwww |
| 22:27.45 | MohammadAG | wow, almost broke the clip XD |
| 22:30.55 | noobmonk3y_ | :| |
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| 22:33.10 | noobmonk3y_ | w000ps |
| 22:33.16 | noobmonk3y_ | sent h/c in twice to get built |
| 22:33.19 | noobmonk3y_ | oh well |
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| 22:33.27 | noobmonk3y_ | BACON! |
| 22:33.49 | noobmonk3y_ | wonders if frals smelt that and is a coming a running ;) |
| 22:34.35 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, no worries, one will get rejected |
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| 22:34.38 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:34.40 | noobmonk3y_ | ;) |
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| 22:34.59 | BCMM | thinking of making a replacement startup video for my n900 |
| 22:35.04 | noobmonk3y_ | :D :D |
| 22:35.11 | BCMM | what happens if the video is long? |
| 22:35.24 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, - both suceeded! |
| 22:35.36 | noobmonk3y_ | bcmm - you wait a long time to get into your phone ;) |
| 22:36.00 | noobmonk3y_ | set it as a lord of the rings film then lend it to someone lol |
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| 22:36.29 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, err |
| 22:36.30 | BCMM | noobmonk3y_: yes, but does the GUI start in the background or what? |
| 22:36.40 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, you're gonna bring down the autobuilder!!! |
| 22:36.42 | noobmonk3y_ | BCMM, dont think so |
| 22:36.43 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:36.47 | BCMM | i mean, if the video is much too long, will the GUI load behind the video, or after it finishes? |
| 22:36.54 | noobmonk3y_ | is gonna cause mayhem! wohoooooooo |
| 22:36.58 | noobmonk3y_ | BCMM, I think not |
| 22:37.06 | MohammadAG | # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 1.1.1-1 OK Maemo Extras Builder |
| 22:37.09 | MohammadAG | # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 1.1.1-1 OK Maemo Extras Builder |
| 22:37.09 | MohammadAG | omg |
| 22:37.12 | MohammadAG | they did succeed |
| 22:37.14 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, Sir.... your changes are made! |
| 22:37.18 | noobmonk3y_ | tis in devel! |
| 22:37.21 | noobmonk3y_ | and i know, lol! |
| 22:37.23 | MohammadAG | waits for the downtime |
| 22:37.24 | BCMM | noobmonk3y_: so the gui loads after the video finishes? |
| 22:37.26 | noobmonk3y_ | i didn't lie! |
| 22:37.28 | MohammadAG | thanks noobmonk3y_ |
| 22:37.33 | noobmonk3y_ | BCMM, Yes that should be the order it works |
| 22:37.40 | noobmonk3y_ | i do not think there is a forced limit either |
| 22:37.43 | noobmonk3y_ | just depends on space |
| 22:38.30 | noobmonk3y_ | file corrupted on update |
| 22:38.32 | noobmonk3y_ | lol!!!! |
| 22:38.43 | noobmonk3y_ | laughs |
| 22:38.48 | noobmonk3y_ | killed autobuilder :( |
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| 22:40.55 | MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y_> tis in devel! |
| 22:40.58 | MohammadAG | WHAT |
| 22:41.09 | noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, try and update - i'm getting corrupted file |
| 22:41.18 | MohammadAG | screw that |
| 22:41.21 | MohammadAG | it got imported?!?! |
| 22:41.29 | noobmonk3y_ | and died! |
| 22:41.32 | SpeedEvil | Is anyone aware of a way tyo simplyt copy / to /sd - and to boot onto that using the 'open keyboard and hold a key' feature ? |
| 22:41.40 | noobmonk3y_ | :| |
| 22:41.56 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, damn, the importer fought back and it didn't bring down the system |
| 22:43.34 | noobmonk3y_ | is uploading a new new one |
| 22:44.38 | MohammadAG | damn control file got screwed |
| 22:45.27 | noobmonk3y_ | hehe |
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| 22:46.05 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, why'd you bump the version 2 numbers? |
| 22:46.25 | noobmonk3y_ | cos number 2 got ancy and started biting my ankles |
| 22:46.36 | noobmonk3y_ | built it and made a mistake, so then fixed it and made 3 |
| 22:47.10 | cehteh | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/177219/Palm-WebOS-Hacked-Via-SMS-Messages |
| 22:47.19 | cehteh | bwaha .. sms'o'death |
| 22:47.50 | noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
| 22:49.05 | noobmonk3y_ | it's in extras-devel |
| 22:49.08 | noobmonk3y_ | off for a ciggy, brb |
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| 23:02.58 | noobmonk3y | night alls :D |
| 23:03.05 | MohammadAG | nooooo |
| 23:03.08 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 23:03.11 | MohammadAG | gnite noobmonk3y |
| 23:03.12 | noobmonk3y | mooooooo or nooooooooo? |
| 23:03.20 | MohammadAG | noooooooo |
| 23:03.23 | noobmonk3y | :P |
| 23:03.29 | noobmonk3y | i r tired |
| 23:03.31 | MohammadAG | s/noooooooo/nooooooooooooooooooooooooo/ |
| 23:03.35 | noobmonk3y | isnt it like 3am there? |
| 23:03.42 | MohammadAG | 2:03 |
| 23:03.43 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:03.47 | MohammadAG | I sleep at 5 |
| 23:03.51 | MohammadAG | lmao |
| 23:04.05 | noobmonk3y | eats frals trout |
| 23:04.10 | noobmonk3y | oooo fishhhhhhhhhay |
| 23:04.12 | frals | bastard! |
| 23:04.25 | noobmonk3y | meh, lifes a bitch ;) |
| 23:04.30 | frals | :D |
| 23:04.35 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 23:04.38 | noobmonk3y | frals - healthcheck is getting a very slow makeover! |
| 23:04.51 | frals | cool |
| 23:04.55 | frals | getting a decent ui? ;) |
| 23:04.59 | noobmonk3y | http://www.greg-roberts.com/s.png - changed a bit since then |
| 23:05.04 | noobmonk3y | well, not really |
| 23:05.07 | noobmonk3y | just not so boring |
| 23:05.19 | MohammadAG | frals, it's decent ;) |
| 23:05.27 | MohammadAG | actually I like it, it's very simple |
| 23:05.34 | noobmonk3y | noticed that QT and css dont like each other much |
| 23:05.41 | MohammadAG | but still more complex than an iCrap list |
| 23:06.01 | noobmonk3y | lol true |
| 23:06.21 | MohammadAG | lost his N900 |
| 23:06.35 | noobmonk3y | ate MohammadAG's N900 |
| 23:06.46 | MohammadAG | still in ssh range |
| 23:06.58 | MohammadAG | does a sudo sh explode.sh |
| 23:07.01 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 23:07.05 | noobmonk3y | Sudo fart |
| 23:07.08 | frals | hmm checking my blogstats from yesterday |
| 23:07.13 | frals | 2999 visits |
| 23:07.15 | frals | doh! |
| 23:07.21 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, you killed the system!!! |
| 23:07.26 | MohammadAG | you shouldn't have done it as root |
| 23:07.43 | noobmonk3y | ??!?! lol |
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| 23:07.50 | MohammadAG | sudo fart |
| 23:07.53 | noobmonk3y | evil hell of a fart! |
| 23:08.07 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, your status menu is clean |
| 23:08.41 | noobmonk3y | ? |
| 23:08.47 | MohammadAG | http://i42.tinypic.com/10h0wwg.jpg |
| 23:08.57 | MohammadAG | err, hildon-status-menu |
| 23:09.01 | MohammadAG | the thing with the clock |
| 23:09.21 | noobmonk3y | clean? |
| 23:09.31 | MohammadAG | it's empty |
| 23:09.32 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 23:09.33 | noobmonk3y | oh no extra stuff? |
| 23:09.36 | noobmonk3y | hehe :D |
| 23:09.46 | crashanddie_ | frals: wow, just get that number to be multiplied by 10 and you can have a viable blog |
| 23:09.47 | noobmonk3y | not really modded it much |
| 23:09.57 | MohammadAG | is amazed someone uses the 24h system |
| 23:10.00 | noobmonk3y | frals, i visited twice :D |
| 23:10.17 | MohammadAG | what blog? |
| 23:10.22 | MohammadAG | loves blogs |
| 23:10.26 | MohammadAG | except maybe engadget |
| 23:10.31 | noobmonk3y | frals has a porn blog... maemohamsters.blog.com |
| 23:10.45 | MohammadAG | hamster porn? |
| 23:10.47 | MohammadAG | eww |
| 23:10.53 | frals | crashanddie_: yes, im considering switching to posting about fashin and videologs of myself |
| 23:11.06 | frals | just need to get breast implants and blonde hair |
| 23:11.07 | Arkenoi | Does anyone have digia @scene working? I get "this video was removed" for everything i try there :-/ |
| 23:11.10 | noobmonk3y | lol!!!! |
| 23:11.17 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 23:11.21 | MohammadAG | frals, link? |
| 23:11.23 | Arkenoi | It just started behaving that way a few weeks ago |
| 23:11.25 | crashanddie_ | frals: I've had a few weeks around 50k visits a day |
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| 23:11.48 | crashanddie_ | when I was a heavy poster, haven't written in quite a while |
| 23:12.17 | crazyhorsss | how can i compile on the n900 device itself? |
| 23:12.33 | crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: command it? "I order you to compile" |
| 23:12.48 | crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: now, if you told us what language, we might be able to help :) |
| 23:12.59 | crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: usually it involves install build-essential ;) |
| 23:13.07 | MohammadAG | assumes C/C++ |
| 23:13.15 | frals | MohammadAG: blog.frals.se |
| 23:13.18 | lcuk | wants to go shoot some zombies |
| 23:13.25 | frals | i only post about fmms stuff |
| 23:13.25 | noobmonk3y | http://blog.frals.se/ |
| 23:13.28 | noobmonk3y | meh he beat me |
| 23:13.35 | MohammadAG | lcuk, CoD WaW :P |
| 23:13.46 | frals | l4d2! |
| 23:13.55 | lcuk | just watched zombieland |
| 23:13.55 | MohammadAG | COD! |
| 23:13.58 | rm_you | l4d2 wins :P |
| 23:13.59 | crashanddie_ | HL2? :P |
| 23:14.08 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, zombieland rocks! |
| 23:14.09 | lcuk | hl2 wins |
| 23:14.09 | crashanddie_ | MW2 -- not zombies, still very good. |
| 23:14.11 | MohammadAG | CS :p |
| 23:14.19 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, indeed :) |
| 23:14.26 | rm_you | l4d2 == zombieland |
| 23:14.27 | MohammadAG | is still stuck without online |
| 23:14.34 | MohammadAG | might as well update |
| 23:14.40 | frals | had they just had dedi servers mw2 wouldve been awesome |
| 23:14.47 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, i spotted advert for it b4 and got it on ppv |
| 23:14.50 | crashanddie_ | frals: meh, never noticed anything different |
| 23:15.01 | crashanddie_ | frals: then again, I play on PS3, so used to it |
| 23:15.02 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 23:15.04 | noobmonk3y | ppv? |
| 23:15.06 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, lots of migrating stuff |
| 23:15.12 | lcuk | or ondemand or whatever it is |
| 23:15.15 | frals | crashanddie: that explain it then |
| 23:15.19 | crazyhorsss | what could be the problem.. im trying to open a new console window while running this one, gets me and error Could not open console |
| 23:15.40 | frals | crazyhorsss: limit is 4 open at once |
| 23:15.43 | MohammadAG | Migrating server ... Awaiting connection .. 0 .. 1.. Connecting to server 0 ... Game lobby closed |
| 23:15.45 | frals | unless you change it |
| 23:15.52 | rm_you | grah unemployment blows |
| 23:15.58 | crazyhorsss | i have just 1 open |
| 23:16.22 | MohammadAG | is away for less than 5 minutes |
| 23:16.30 | lcuk | and the world goes to shit |
| 23:16.39 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: really, we don't give a sht |
| 23:17.28 | lcuk | crazyhorsss, do you understand linux |
| 23:17.28 | crazyhorsss | yes |
| 23:17.29 | lcuk | compiling on device is limited |
| 23:17.43 | lcuk | you cannot simply get ./configure, and you cannot simply build packages |
| 23:17.43 | crazyhorsss | not a pro, but avera linux user |
| 23:17.51 | lcuk | but add the maemo sdk and tools repositories |
| 23:17.55 | crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: control shift x |
| 23:18.01 | lcuk | and if you have enough space you can apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:18.19 | lcuk | which gives you "make" and gcc :) |
| 23:18.19 | crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: that opens a new console every time |
| 23:18.25 | noobmonk3y | loves python....... |
| 23:18.29 | noobmonk3y | night alls (again) |
| 23:18.31 | crazyhorsss | how much space? |
| 23:18.34 | crashanddie_ | night noobmonk3y |
| 23:18.36 | lcuk | night noobmonk3y |
| 23:18.38 | noobmonk3y | ciaooooooooooo |
| 23:19.12 | crazyhorsss | crashanddie_: thanks, it works |
| 23:19.12 | lcuk | crazyhorsss, lots - apt-get will tell you and its up to you to sort it - alternative as noobmonk3y suggested is python |
| 23:19.14 | lcuk | much simpler |
| 23:19.18 | lcuk | less heavyweight |
| 23:19.25 | lcuk | pyqt works well |
| 23:19.30 | crashanddie_ | easier to develop on-device |
| 23:19.51 | lcuk | install healthcheck - it will put everything you need for on device hacking of .py files |
| 23:20.09 | lcuk | in console run python file.py and have fun |
| 23:20.15 | lcuk | the rest is fluff |
| 23:20.28 | crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: I was a big anti-python guy, and well, i have to say I like it a lot now. I'm guessing if you need CPU-intensive stuff you can always write it in C and then call it from python -- use python as a glue, and C as your bricks |
| 23:20.30 | crazyhorsss | yeah, great for ,ython |
| 23:21.27 | crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: python will allow you to architecture your application the way you want it, hack it the way you want it, and then if needed, you can develop the C "modules" (subsections that aren't fast enough in python) at home, from the comfort of your PC |
| 23:21.37 | crashanddie_ | that's how I do it now |
| 23:21.41 | Disconnect | sweeet mms worked :) |
| 23:21.53 | crashanddie_ | hack on the go, optimize at home |
| 23:22.00 | crashanddie_ | aaarggghhhh, I die a little inside |
| 23:22.08 | crashanddie_ | s/ize/ise/ |
| 23:22.18 | crazyhorsss | ok, thanks |
| 23:22.42 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: show him a cool video of what you did all in C, on the device :) |
| 23:22.46 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: show him it's possible |
| 23:23.22 | lcuk | crazyhorsss, install liqflow |
| 23:23.30 | lcuk | its the simplest way to show you something different |
| 23:23.54 | crazyhorsss | Ok |
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| 23:24.57 | lcuk | i need on device stuff again soon crashanddie_ |
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| 23:25.17 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: why so? |
| 23:25.17 | lcuk | my desk has got 810s and 900s and pcs |
| 23:25.20 | crazyhorsss | brb |
| 23:25.34 | lcuk | i need to get them all compiling new builds as i make changes |
| 23:25.41 | lcuk | and running them - just like i did on one machine |
| 23:25.48 | lcuk | now on a cluster of different ones |
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| 23:25.53 | lcuk | so i can see the effects |
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| 23:26.21 | lcuk | i wanted to write the communication manager in pyqt |
| 23:26.35 | lcuk | but qt has no native method to do multicast |
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| 23:27.55 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: http://qt.nokia.com/developer/faqs/faq.2007-05-04.3155102847 |
| 23:28.25 | lcuk | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7 |
| 23:28.29 | lcuk | i know of that |
| 23:28.36 | lcuk | but its not cross platform or native qt |
| 23:28.40 | Robot101 | lcuk: use tubes in salut... |
| 23:28.43 | crashanddie_ | ah, yes indeed |
| 23:28.46 | Robot101 | lcuk: it has a multicase protocol already |
| 23:28.46 | lcuk | i have to step out of the qt walled garden to get it |
| 23:28.59 | Robot101 | *multicast |
| 23:29.13 | Robot101 | lcuk: andrunko or smcv or oggis or wjt can help you :) |
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| 23:29.35 | lcuk | Robot101, i was just wanting something quick - none of the machines have any accounts o_O :D but yes i will speak to them |
| 23:29.45 | lcuk | ie - i will have 5 local machines |
| 23:29.48 | lcuk | different profiles |
| 23:29.54 | lcuk | not instant messaging person to person |
| 23:29.57 | lcuk | but machine to machine |
| 23:30.08 | lcuk | individual pieces of my house net |
| 23:30.46 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: couldn't you implement a subscriber design pattern? |
| 23:30.54 | lcuk | is it reasonable to have instant messaging accounts for "home-bedroom-wall" |
| 23:30.56 | crashanddie_ | or maybe you don't want to? |
| 23:31.03 | lcuk | and "gary-n00" |
| 23:31.05 | Robot101 | ehhh |
| 23:31.09 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: eventually that's where we're heading to |
| 23:31.22 | Robot101 | you don't need accounts with a server for salut |
| 23:31.25 | Robot101 | it's the link-local one |
| 23:31.33 | lcuk | Robot101, i know that |
| 23:31.45 | Robot101 | you can just poke accounts and if it's not there, make a salut account for liqbase@thisbox |
| 23:31.47 | lcuk | but they need accounting for and naming |
| 23:31.50 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: though, I imagine it's more likely that such features would be properties of a specific account -- just as now you have a mobile, work and home number for someone, I can't imagine it being that different to have a living room, bedroom or kitchen direct dialing system |
| 23:32.05 | lcuk | Robot101, the table has ~7 handhelds |
| 23:32.08 | lcuk | which one is which |
| 23:32.15 | lcuk | they need accounts and logical names |
| 23:32.30 | lcuk | and if you come to my house |
| 23:32.37 | lcuk | robs-n900 will be on the table too |
| 23:32.54 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: as always, give them science fiction names |
| 23:32.57 | Robot101 | you can probably find the user's name from somewhere too...? |
| 23:33.12 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: may I suggest picard, laforge, data, worf... |
| 23:33.15 | Robot101 | grub around in some modest settings or something :D |
| 23:33.25 | lcuk | Robot101, an account would be simpler - or rather - alias of my account |
| 23:33.42 | lcuk | "on this machine gary is known as "lcuk-n00" |
| 23:33.45 | Robot101 | you can sign in multiple times with telepathy |
| 23:33.48 | Robot101 | er, XMPP |
| 23:33.54 | lcuk | lose recognition |
| 23:34.17 | crashanddie_ | but only one username/status message makes it to the server -- the last one connected IIRC |
| 23:34.18 | Robot101 | but telepathy doesn't distinguish them currently |
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| 23:34.30 | Robot101 | crashanddie_: that's decided by the client, not the server |
| 23:34.33 | lcuk | no i know thats why i thought they would need accounts each |
| 23:34.59 | Robot101 | yeah but... it's just software, we can fix it right :) |
| 23:35.11 | crashanddie_ | Robot101: well, not really -- I seem to remember that during the logon phase, the client needs to confirm the name? |
| 23:35.12 | lcuk | indeedy |
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| 23:36.16 | lcuk | Robot101, how do we handle currently logged in with work computer and n900 |
| 23:36.26 | lcuk | can both be on IM? |
| 23:36.35 | lcuk | at the same time, or is that service specific |
| 23:36.36 | crashanddie_ | yes |
| 23:36.37 | crashanddie_ | both receive the message |
| 23:36.41 | lcuk | ie msn might allow it |
| 23:36.44 | lcuk | other providers wont |
| 23:36.53 | crashanddie_ | ah, don't konw |
| 23:36.59 | crashanddie_ | I've noticed differences per provider though |
| 23:37.15 | crashanddie_ | for example, google chat will send the first message of a conversation to all connected clients |
| 23:37.27 | crashanddie_ | but will only send subsequent messages to the one that replied |
| 23:37.38 | crashanddie_ | skype, on the other hand, echoes messages and responses to all connected clients |
| 23:37.41 | MohammadAG | wonders how noobmonk3y got that host cloak |
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| 23:37.55 | MohammadAG | it's not a freenode cloak afaik |
| 23:38.11 | crashanddie_ | noobit's just a british telecom reverse dns |
| 23:38.20 | crashanddie_ | wtf |
| 23:38.34 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: that's just a british telecom reverse dns |
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| 23:38.51 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: IOW: not a cloak at all |
| 23:39.01 | MohammadAG | didn't notice that |
| 23:39.07 | MohammadAG | just read the btcentralplus part |
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| 23:39.30 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, who ya calling a noob :P |
| 23:40.56 | MohammadAG | daperl's PoRN |
| 23:41.03 | MohammadAG | daperl's Place of Random Notes |
| 23:41.04 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
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| 23:44.48 | Robot101 | MohammadAG: you can get cloaks easily on freenode, just register with nickserv and turn it on iirc |
| 23:45.05 | MohammadAG | I am registered |
| 23:45.11 | Robot101 | so turn on cloaking |
| 23:45.17 | Robot101 | /msg NickServ help |
| 23:45.17 | MohammadAG | I think you have to be an upstanding member of the community |
| 23:45.26 | MohammadAG | I know the commands... |
| 23:45.55 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: I firmly oppose you receiving a cloak |
| 23:46.08 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, I'm not asking for one, and why's that? |
| 23:46.12 | Robot101 | crashanddie_: so with XMPP, what happens is that you sign on and get multiple resources (your JID is user@server/resource) |
| 23:46.15 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: but in case you ignore my veto, just ask X-Fade, he's the maemo account manager. Just ask him for a cloak. |
| 23:46.27 | Robot101 | crashanddie_: each resource has a priority and its own presence & status message |
| 23:46.33 | MohammadAG | No, I don't deserve a free one |
| 23:46.53 | Robot101 | crashanddie_: the server sends incoming messages with no specific resource to all of the resources with the highest priority |
| 23:47.24 | crashanddie_ | Robot101: which when idle is all of the connected resources? |
| 23:47.31 | crashanddie_ | Robot101: and then when resource x replies, its priority is topped up |
| 23:47.45 | Robot101 | crashanddie_: not quite. by default, Telepathy (and Google Talk) sets no priority, so it is 0, so the initial message goes to all of your resources. if you /reply/, a well-behaving client should reply to the resource that replied to it. |
| 23:48.01 | Robot101 | (and if that resource later disconnects, it's equivalent to sending with no resource) |
| 23:48.07 | crashanddie_ | k k |
| 23:48.18 | lcuk | MohammadAG, speak with x-fade on monday |
| 23:48.28 | frals | needs 500 karma |
| 23:48.37 | MohammadAG | lcuk, again, I don't deserve one |
| 23:48.47 | lcuk | why not? |
| 23:48.58 | lcuk | you are active and helpful and communicative and engaged in here |
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| 23:49.00 | MohammadAG | idk, haven't done enough to deserve one imho |
| 23:49.03 | crashanddie_ | X-Fade: Hey buddy, can you give a maemo/contributor/ to MohammadAG? Thanks |
| 23:49.09 | lcuk | +1 |
| 23:49.09 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 23:49.18 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, disregard that one lol |
| 23:49.29 | lcuk | disregard his disregard |
| 23:49.38 | Robot101 | BELAY THAT ORDER!!! |
| 23:49.39 | crashanddie_ | +1 |
| 23:49.43 | lcuk | force one upon him if you can :D |
| 23:49.44 | MohammadAG | disregard him asking you disregard my disregard |
| 23:49.45 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:49.52 | MohammadAG | +to* |
| 23:49.54 | crashanddie_ | Robot101: STAND DOWN OFFICER |
| 23:50.11 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: actually, even without the to, that was grammatically correct |
| 23:50.37 | MohammadAG | lol didn't think about it |
| 23:50.42 | MohammadAG | it sounds better with to ;) |
| 23:51.16 | MohammadAG | wonders if lcuk is typing a long disregard chain :) |
| 23:51.28 | MohammadAG | nah but seriously, I haven't done enough for the community :) |
| 23:51.38 | crashanddie_ | you're active in here mate, and aren't a falling star |
| 23:51.46 | lcuk | no im looking for which enterprise captain uses "BELAY THAT ORDER" most so i can photoshop Robot101 onto it |
| 23:51.58 | MohammadAG | LMAO |
| 23:52.00 | SpeedEvil | Picard I'd say |
| 23:52.00 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: picard |
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| 23:53.02 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, well, I think others deserve it more than I do |
| 23:53.11 | crashanddie_ | dude, it's a free bloody thing |
| 23:53.16 | crashanddie_ | there's no merit attached to it |
| 23:53.19 | toresbe | Yes, we have a very limited supply of cloaks |
| 23:53.23 | crashanddie_ | it's a bloody cloak |
| 23:53.29 | toresbe | they are made individually by natives skilled in their craft |
| 23:53.33 | lcuk | those damned klingons stole them all |
| 23:53.38 | MohammadAG | toresbe, thought so :P |
| 23:53.51 | crashanddie_ | come to think of it |
| 23:53.51 | crashanddie_ | we're running out of lines |
| 23:53.53 | lcuk | MohammadAG, please have mine |
| 23:54.04 | crashanddie_ | I'm taking one for the team guys |
| 23:54.10 | MohammadAG | o.O |
| 23:54.11 | crashanddie_ | or our channel is going to run out of allowed content |
| 23:54.18 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 23:54.29 | toresbe | crashanddie_: You could win a lot by |
| 23:54.33 | toresbe | crashanddie_: using only one line per |
| 23:54.37 | toresbe | crashanddie_: sentence ;) |
| 23:54.52 | toresbe | crashanddie_: this isn't MSN |
| 23:54.56 | toresbe | crashanddie_: enter is not punctuation |
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| 23:55.30 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@simula.gunkies.org] by ChanServ |
| 23:55.42 | lcukn900 | ive never had a cloak on this account |
| 23:55.52 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@simula.gunkies.org] by ChanServ |
| 23:55.55 | lcuk | and so many people pop in uncloaked, giving them something else |
| 23:55.58 | toresbe | Speaking of the cloak, it's way too late |
| 23:56.05 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.12 | toresbe | I've got to set my alarm cloak and go to bed. Night. |
| 23:56.17 | lcuk | gnite |
| 23:56.23 | MohammadAG | night toresbe |
| 23:56.29 | crashanddie_ | night toresbe |
| 23:57.08 | toresbe | at this point, I realize it might be a good idea to turn _off_ the audible hilight notification |
| 23:57.14 | lcuk | :D |
| 23:57.21 | lcuk | and its about time i vanished as well |
| 23:57.30 | lcuk | \o gnite everyone |
| 23:57.37 | MohammadAG | Night lcuk :) |
| 23:57.50 | crashanddie_ | night guv |
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