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| 00:18.51 | cehteh | dmj726_n900: no code yet, only windows, 20 years old codebase (32 bit, poor smp?), lots of 3rd party licensed stuff which must be removed, looking at their specs a lot things are hardcoded |
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| 01:53.51 | crashanddie | yooooooooo |
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| 02:24.24 | b-man | crashanddie: yo |
| 02:24.31 | _ToArtist_ | ???? |
| 02:24.37 | crashanddie | Hottentottententententoonstellingsmakersopleidingsprogramma |
| 02:24.48 | b-man | O_o |
| 02:25.01 | b-man | crashanddie: you ok? xD |
| 02:25.23 | crashanddie | That's one word, in dutch |
| 02:25.39 | b-man | oh shi- |
| 02:26.27 | _ToArtist_ | ???? |
| 02:26.54 | b-man | _ToArtist_: yup, it's random hour |
| 02:27.22 | yuizy_ | epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydelläänsäkäänköpähän is said to be the longest finnish non-compound word |
| 02:27.29 | _ToArtist_ | How can I slove it |
| 02:27.43 | b-man | anyone herd of Dragon Fruit? :D |
| 02:28.44 | crashanddie | b-man: here's another one: Halfautomatischeautobandenventieldopjesetiketplakmachinehulpreperateur |
| 02:28.48 | b-man | http://img.alibaba.com/img/buyoffer/101623260/Buy_fresh_dragon_fruit_for_the_French_and_European_market.jpg |
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| 02:29.09 | fureddo | Hi |
| 02:29.18 | fureddo | What does PR1.1 means? |
| 02:29.19 | b-man | crashanddie: imagine having a conversation with those words xD |
| 02:29.37 | b-man | PR1.1 is a firmware version |
| 02:29.46 | fureddo | What does PR stands for? |
| 02:29.58 | fureddo | Do you know? |
| 02:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | program release? |
| 02:30.17 | b-man | to be honest, haven't a clue |
| 02:30.40 | b-man | what DocScrutinizer said |
| 02:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | or production release or whatever |
| 02:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | who cares? |
| 02:31.37 | fureddo | Me :-) |
| 02:31.48 | fureddo | I was just curious. Of course, it's not that important. |
| 02:34.00 | crashanddie | production release |
| 02:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | btw composite words of any length are just lame. recursive composite words of virtually infinite length are just slightly more braintickling. yuizy_'s longest non composite is funny actually |
| 02:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | first and second class in Finland must be a hell |
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| 02:47.01 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: stfu |
| 02:47.05 | jacekowski | with me luck |
| 02:47.06 | crashanddie | :P |
| 02:47.10 | jacekowski | i'm going to flash my phone |
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| 02:49.31 | crashanddie | jacekowski: with you luck? |
| 02:52.40 | jacekowski | wish* |
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| 02:55.02 | jacekowski | support for ext3 or reiser on memory card would be nice |
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| 03:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | what's the problem with ext3 now? |
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| 03:04.24 | jacekowski | no support in builtin scripts |
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| 03:09.41 | luke-jr | jacekowski: N8x0 or N900? |
| 03:09.54 | luke-jr | works fine on N8x0 if you run depmod |
| 03:12.21 | ShadowJK | works on n900 too, just no automount and random apps think memory card doesn't exist |
| 03:12.31 | ShadowJK | and camera app outright doesn't work iirc |
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| 03:14.40 | ShadowJK | in other words, there are vfat assumptions built in all over the place :) |
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| 03:19.15 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: automount works on N8x0 |
| 03:20.07 | ShadowJK | iirc the scripts on N900 grep output of fdisk looking specifically for fat partitions, and then try to mount it with -t vfat |
| 03:20.33 | luke-jr | ugly |
| 03:23.20 | Macer | cywin ftw |
| 03:23.21 | Macer | heh |
| 03:23.28 | Macer | makes for a quick win7 x server |
| 03:23.49 | Macer | i should see if it has zsh.. doubtful.. but bash is better than cmd |
| 03:24.16 | luke-jr | smacks Macer |
| 03:28.37 | Gh0sty | hello anyone awake/alive here? |
| 03:29.16 | luke-jr | nop |
| 03:29.20 | luke-jr | I killed them all |
| 03:29.28 | luke-jr | you're the only survivor |
| 03:29.32 | Gh0sty | :) |
| 03:29.45 | Gh0sty | hm just wondering like if the majority here would be european |
| 03:29.52 | Gh0sty | or also a lot of american people |
| 03:30.12 | Gh0sty | it's now 5h30am where I live |
| 03:30.16 | Gh0sty | so not much people from europe will be online now |
| 03:30.22 | Gh0sty | perhaps only the die-hards lets say :p |
| 03:31.14 | Gh0sty | I am going to admit I am not a developer, actually a sysadmin. But I find the phone lacking some really basic functions according to my requirements (and I think according to most peoples requirements) |
| 03:31.15 | ShadowJK | 6.30 where I am :P |
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| 03:31.40 | Gh0sty | is there a nice guide/howto on how to setup a complete development environment (virtual i guess) |
| 03:31.45 | ShadowJK | dude, xterm, ssh, openvpn, rsync.. all a sysadmin needs :D |
| 03:31.47 | Gh0sty | without having the phone itself? |
| 03:32.18 | Gh0sty | I good friend of mine is a very nice developer, one of the top people I know in the country |
| 03:32.32 | Gh0sty | I even told him I want to pay but he wants to do it for free |
| 03:32.47 | Gh0sty | only thing is I'm not going to pay him a phone ofcourse ... :p |
| 03:32.56 | ShadowJK | the easiest path is probably to use the virtual image |
| 03:32.58 | Gh0sty | so how to setup a dev environment for him? |
| 03:33.25 | Gh0sty | he already worked on iphone and other mobile devices before so it's not like he's an amateur :) |
| 03:33.36 | Gh0sty | virtual image where? |
| 03:33.40 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: Maemo is not a phone platform |
| 03:34.03 | Gh0sty | it has phone functionality also |
| 03:34.13 | Gh0sty | so i want it to have at least some nice phone features also :) |
| 03:34.17 | luke-jr | it's a side function |
| 03:34.20 | Gh0sty | i know |
| 03:34.23 | luke-jr | it's not meant to be a phone |
| 03:34.26 | Gh0sty | but my statement goes ... :p |
| 03:34.34 | luke-jr | my NIT does not have phone capabilities |
| 03:34.38 | Gh0sty | its just in the spirit of the open source ... |
| 03:34.39 | luke-jr | at all |
| 03:34.43 | Gh0sty | i want it cause i can :p |
| 03:34.45 | luke-jr | Maemo is not open source |
| 03:34.48 | ShadowJK | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html |
| 03:34.54 | ShadowJK | I guess that's where you download it |
| 03:34.57 | ShadowJK | or start to |
| 03:35.09 | ShadowJK | "Developers wanting to use a Microsoft Windows or Apple Mac environment should visit the Maemo SDK Virtual Image or Maemo Application Development and Debugging Environment (MADDE) projects." |
| 03:35.26 | ShadowJK | uses the Virtual Image on linux too |
| 03:35.41 | ShadowJK | setting up the SDK on Fedora is a daylong royal pain in the ass, i'm told |
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| 03:36.17 | dmj726_n900 | cehteh: it's windows only? |
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| 03:36.39 | ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide |
| 03:36.40 | dmj726_n900 | why are the linux news site going crazy then? |
| 03:38.49 | Gh0sty | ShadowJK: thx a lot |
| 03:38.59 | Gh0sty | we'll do it on debian or mac probably |
| 03:39.12 | Gh0sty | the guy uses a mac at work to develop for rhel also :) |
| 03:39.17 | _ToArtist_ | how to use MADDE |
| 03:39.32 | Gh0sty | but like he writes code his code is portable over multiple platforms normally :) |
| 03:39.47 | Gh0sty | a pitty the guy is leaving the company soon but thats due to management :( |
| 03:39.56 | Gh0sty | can't blame him, thinking to leave myself too |
| 03:40.07 | Gh0sty | things I would ask him to implement first: |
| 03:40.16 | Gh0sty | auto-switcher between 2g and 3g |
| 03:40.21 | ShadowJK | there is one |
| 03:40.37 | Gh0sty | a wifi module audo unloader when wifi is not in use |
| 03:40.41 | Gh0sty | auto* |
| 03:40.58 | Gh0sty | a portrait style unlock screen ... :p |
| 03:41.11 | luke-jr | you're not supposed to unload modules when not in use ... |
| 03:41.17 | Gh0sty | possibility to add messages into the "phone like screen" |
| 03:41.30 | Gh0sty | luke-jr: i now have an applet which does unload it |
| 03:41.42 | Gh0sty | and I've read that this should improve battery life a lot |
| 03:41.49 | luke-jr | shouldn't. |
| 03:41.56 | luke-jr | if it does, there's a real bug somewhere |
| 03:42.02 | Gh0sty | not that I notice much difference but my phone is now only lasting a day |
| 03:42.08 | ShadowJK | There's a bug that makes wifi eat lots of power occasionally |
| 03:42.14 | Gh0sty | luke-jr: thats just my problem |
| 03:42.22 | Gh0sty | If i look at the maemo site ... the community |
| 03:42.23 | ShadowJK | iirc turning off "Switch to wlan when available" fixed it for me |
| 03:42.32 | Gh0sty | you find a ton of "hacks" on how to save power ... |
| 03:42.34 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: N900 is only designed to last 6 hours IIRC |
| 03:42.50 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 03:42.58 | Gh0sty | but none of them are officially supported by the people from nokia it seems :P |
| 03:43.10 | ShadowJK | mine lasts about 16 on the original battery (xchat on 30+ channels online) :P |
| 03:43.12 | Gh0sty | and with officially supported i mean ... "confirmed to work for all" |
| 03:43.26 | Gh0sty | ShadowJK: yes but I want to use it also as a phone ... :p |
| 03:43.42 | Gh0sty | It should last at least a day when used merely as a phone ... |
| 03:43.52 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 03:44.09 | Gh0sty | like say 90% of the time it should be just connected to the phone network in standby |
| 03:44.12 | ShadowJK | My previous phones didn't last more than a day either, so :) |
| 03:44.22 | Gh0sty | 5% should be 3G surfing |
| 03:44.25 | luke-jr | my phone dies in a few hours if I use it constantly |
| 03:44.33 | Gh0sty | and another 5% wifi surfing |
| 03:44.45 | luke-jr | but then, it's 6 years old or so, so that might be why |
| 03:44.55 | Gh0sty | think thats a realistic usage pattern from my point of view |
| 03:45.04 | Gh0sty | you are from nokia? :p |
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| 03:45.18 | Gh0sty | since nobody else can have it for that long :) |
| 03:45.44 | Gh0sty | by any accident none of you guys is the one I spoke to at the UKUUG conference 2 weeks ago? :) |
| 03:45.50 | ShadowJK | oh wait, the "automatic 2g" thing I saw was some stupid thing that switches from 3g to 2g when on wifi... wtf? |
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| 03:46.05 | ShadowJK | luke doesn't have an n900 |
| 03:46.13 | Gh0sty | huh? |
| 03:46.23 | Gh0sty | ah he still has 820 or so? :) |
| 03:46.26 | Gh0sty | or 700? |
| 03:46.33 | Gh0sty | a friend offered me a 700 I think |
| 03:46.40 | Gh0sty | he has laying around his office |
| 03:46.44 | Gh0sty | not using any more |
| 03:46.48 | ShadowJK | He has a N810, and wont get tricked into buying nokia again until they've made an open phone. |
| 03:47.19 | Gh0sty | but can't run much I guess since 700 is not upgradeable to any recent maemo :) |
| 03:47.42 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: 820 doesn't exist |
| 03:47.45 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: neither does 700 |
| 03:47.51 | Gh0sty | what? |
| 03:47.57 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: there's the 770 |
| 03:48.00 | Gh0sty | what do you have |
| 03:48.05 | crashanddie | also n800 and n810 |
| 03:48.12 | crashanddie | I have n800, n810 and n900 |
| 03:48.16 | Gh0sty | ah well then it's a 770 and 810 i wanted to say ... :) |
| 03:48.19 | ShadowJK | has n800, n810 and n900 too :-) |
| 03:48.28 | Gh0sty | lol :) |
| 03:48.35 | Gh0sty | was considering to buy an 810 |
| 03:48.37 | ShadowJK | note that 770 has no N, the others are part of N-series |
| 03:48.44 | Gh0sty | never did it cause it was not a phone |
| 03:48.47 | Gh0sty | now I have :p |
| 03:48.53 | Gh0sty | immediatly the 900 |
| 03:49.17 | Gh0sty | what is the functionallity of the 770 still? |
| 03:49.26 | Gh0sty | can you surf to flash sites for example? |
| 03:49.39 | ShadowJK | with 2008HE maybe.. |
| 03:49.40 | Gh0sty | and how good/open is the sdk there? |
| 03:49.45 | godrik | Gh0sty: Apple made flash obsolete |
| 03:49.47 | godrik | giggles |
| 03:49.58 | ShadowJK | This is the first good thing apple has done! |
| 03:49.59 | ShadowJK | I applaud |
| 03:50.12 | Gh0sty | ShadowJK: i think the guy told me there is the latest firmware on it, even some beta version which never made final or something |
| 03:50.15 | ShadowJK | I dread upgrading my OS, I have crashproof flash setup right now :( |
| 03:50.22 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: did you see my post on tmo about that |
| 03:50.27 | Gh0sty | I know some peole who know some people who work at nokia ... ;) |
| 03:50.30 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, about? |
| 03:50.36 | godrik | ShadowJK: They did something else before. They taught people computer does not have to be ugly and beige :) |
| 03:50.41 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: about how good it is for apple to render flash pointless |
| 03:50.52 | ShadowJK | ah, no |
| 03:50.54 | crashanddie | how good it is for everyone |
| 03:50.56 | Gh0sty | godrik: shut up about apple |
| 03:51.04 | Gh0sty | i'm a linux guy ... :P |
| 03:51.14 | Gh0sty | running 99.9% linux whenever I can :) |
| 03:51.16 | ShadowJK | But yo know, there's enough crap in html5 to bring us back to "agh why is htis so fucking slow still, I have a quad core 3 gigahertz computer!!" |
| 03:51.36 | Gh0sty | but hey |
| 03:51.44 | Gh0sty | a girlfriend of mine still wants the ipad ... :p |
| 03:51.52 | godrik | ShadowJK: that's progress ShadowJK ! |
| 03:51.52 | Gh0sty | can't convince here it's crap right now |
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| 03:52.01 | Gh0sty | but ok she'll find out :) |
| 03:52.04 | godrik | Gh0sty: that's a nice maxipad ! :) |
| 03:52.20 | Gh0sty | I have only an ipod nano which i got from work as a gift once |
| 03:52.22 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=602042&postcount=23 |
| 03:52.28 | Gh0sty | meaning to crash it into a wall |
| 03:52.29 | ShadowJK | I assumed by "auto-switcher" you mean something that switches from 3g to 2g when screen is off, or something, so that you don't kill your battery in 6 hours on SIP/Jabber/MSN/GoogleTalk/IRC/IM/email etc.. |
| 03:52.31 | Gh0sty | from frustration |
| 03:53.03 | Gh0sty | ShadowJK: for example |
| 03:53.07 | Gh0sty | but even better: |
| 03:53.15 | Gh0sty | if there is no browser or shell open anymore |
| 03:53.22 | Gh0sty | and it's into phone mode again |
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| 03:53.25 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: suggest a WePad |
| 03:53.40 | Gh0sty | luke-jr: enough with the giggles ... :P |
| 03:53.45 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: seriously |
| 03:53.50 | luke-jr | or TouchBook |
| 03:53.57 | luke-jr | they're both superior products |
| 03:54.12 | Gh0sty | you can't convince people when they are just plain stuborn |
| 03:54.12 | ShadowJK | I use the 3g/2g/dual mode switch applet/widget (it sits in statusmenu) |
| 03:54.14 | Gh0sty | and its a girl |
| 03:54.20 | Gh0sty | changing girls mind |
| 03:54.23 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: WePad has a webcam. |
| 03:54.25 | Gh0sty | I would need a hammer :p |
| 03:54.35 | luke-jr | TouchBook has a magnet |
| 03:54.37 | Gh0sty | ShadowJK: me too for now |
| 03:54.43 | Gh0sty | but I want something automatic |
| 03:54.49 | Gh0sty | I'm a sysadmin as said |
| 03:54.52 | Gh0sty | and have the idea |
| 03:54.56 | crashanddie | gents, please go discuss this in #apple or #defocus |
| 03:55.00 | Gh0sty | script once, never do again :p |
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| 03:58.02 | Gh0sty | so I want some auto switcher on that |
| 03:58.16 | Gh0sty | also 1 nice feature my E65 had (well added through software) |
| 03:58.25 | Gh0sty | auto-profile switcher |
| 03:58.38 | Gh0sty | based on a) time b) cell location |
| 03:58.59 | ShadowJK | wants lower minimum volume :) |
| 03:59.05 | Gh0sty | however in the e65 it was not possible to combine a and b |
| 03:59.13 | Gh0sty | I want this to be fixed here |
| 03:59.17 | Gh0sty | so for example: |
| 03:59.50 | Gh0sty | when i am at home (location) and it's 10pm (time) go to profile 'silent' or even offline |
| 04:00.08 | Gh0sty | when i'm not at home ... stay on profile general |
| 04:00.27 | Gh0sty | when i'm leaving home switch on bluetooth (i'm probably in the car) |
| 04:00.39 | Gh0sty | when i'm arriving at work switch off bluetooth |
| 04:00.55 | ShadowJK | oh I'd want something that automatically goes to completely silent/novibrate at work where there's an official "no phones" policy :P |
| 04:01.18 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: that has been rejected |
| 04:01.23 | Gh0sty | so in the end: multiple profiles (already have those now sorta with an applet called tweakr) |
| 04:01.29 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: EU asked for it, and it never took, sadly |
| 04:01.56 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: though it would be easily implementable... Just have a BT-like emitor that sends a "No phones here please" signal |
| 04:02.07 | Gh0sty | ah yes and another example which i had setup at my previous phone for example ... |
| 04:02.19 | Gh0sty | i tagged the cells inside the cinema where i go to regularly |
| 04:02.31 | Gh0sty | when i arrive at the cinema my phone goes to vibrate only |
| 04:02.53 | Gh0sty | this is what i mean with the "basic phone functionality" i am looking for |
| 04:03.08 | Gh0sty | thats where i want this device to make a difference for me in my everyday life :) |
| 04:03.31 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, yes well, checking CellID to see if I'm near work, and setting phone to silent/novibrate would do. I just want it to not ring when I have phone in a place where I'm not supposed to have it ;) |
| 04:03.40 | Gh0sty | just automate things a bit so i don't need to bother about it |
| 04:03.49 | Gh0sty | and i even want to pay to get this fixed ... :) |
| 04:03.53 | luke-jr | crashanddie: what would stop me from carrying a "no phones here" transmitter? :P |
| 04:04.08 | crashanddie | luke-jr: nothing, and ought to be your right too, right? |
| 04:04.31 | Gh0sty | hehe the idea alone :) |
| 04:04.36 | crashanddie | luke-jr: if I don't want some jackass to scream HELLLOOOO in my ear while I'm on the train |
| 04:04.43 | Gh0sty | but you think what i put up here is outrageous ? :P |
| 04:04.49 | Gh0sty | this is the stuff i'm looking for :) |
| 04:05.02 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: code it? |
| 04:05.05 | Gh0sty | that the phone lasts for a day and the above few things ... |
| 04:05.16 | Gh0sty | crashanddie: i'm not a coder but as said a friend is willing to help :) |
| 04:05.17 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: Open Source isn't "I WANT >THIS< CODE PLZ" |
| 04:05.35 | luke-jr | crashanddie: I have a right to silence the phones of everyone around me? |
| 04:05.43 | Gh0sty | thats why i asked nicely above how to get the SDK up and running |
| 04:05.47 | crashanddie | luke-jr: in my opinion? Yeah |
| 04:05.49 | Gh0sty | just putting my toughts here |
| 04:05.58 | crashanddie | Open Source is: start working on an idea, "If you build it they will come" |
| 04:06.11 | ShadowJK | Trains here have soundproof booths with a big sign with the picture of a cellphone. You're supposed to go there if you get a call, so you can talk without disturbing the other passengers |
| 04:06.13 | crashanddie | Doesn't necessarily mean code though, can also be framework/architecture |
| 04:06.25 | Gh0sty | crashanddie: but I am actually surprised that for a +500 eur phone i have to 'hire' a guy to have basic functions i would expect from any phone |
| 04:06.52 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: there's your problem "you expect" |
| 04:07.03 | Gh0sty | but as said ... I will fix it |
| 04:07.13 | crashanddie | Commercial products aren't based around "expectations", it's your job to buy whatever you want/need. |
| 04:07.17 | Gh0sty | you have a threatening tone man ... I'm just putting my toughts here ... |
| 04:07.26 | Gh0sty | have some respect please :/ |
| 04:07.38 | luke-jr | [23:03:49] <Gh0sty> and i even want to pay to get this fixed ... :) <-- this is the spirit of open source :) |
| 04:07.55 | ShadowJK | hm... based on a 10 minute current consumption average, I'd get 4 hours of xchat + media player streaming 128kbit AAC over EDGE on N900 :) |
| 04:07.57 | crashanddie | if it says on the box "does this", and it doesn't, then I absolutely agree with you, however, as far as I'm aware, it didn't. |
| 04:08.03 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: again, it's not a phone |
| 04:08.19 | Gh0sty | ok but as i said ... I want to use it as a phone also |
| 04:08.21 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: in the UK it's the other way around, specific cars have a no-phones policy |
| 04:08.34 | Gh0sty | I know it is and can be so much more ... but I expect it also to be my phone :p |
| 04:08.36 | crashanddie | I'd love to use my toaster as a microwave |
| 04:08.47 | Gh0sty | otherwise it's a bit stupid to carry 2 devices around :) |
| 04:08.50 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: fine, but you want to repurpose it. that is your job. |
| 04:09.13 | Gh0sty | as said: I do because I can :p |
| 04:09.14 | luke-jr | it's not "more than a phone". it's a computer that your particular model happens to have phone capabilities |
| 04:09.24 | Gh0sty | also part of the "open source" spirit :p |
| 04:09.24 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 04:09.38 | crashanddie | I know my toaster is a toaster and can be so much more ... but I expect also to be my microwave :P |
| 04:09.44 | Gh0sty | this is my point of view also on linux in general: |
| 04:09.51 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, there's a toaster that runs NetBSD |
| 04:09.53 | Gh0sty | It should do what I want, not what the system wants :) |
| 04:10.00 | Gh0sty | Just because I can :p |
| 04:10.06 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: quite a few microwaves run BSD actually |
| 04:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: take your pills! |
| 04:10.15 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: fine, but you are responsible for making it do it :) |
| 04:10.17 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: god I'd love that |
| 04:10.31 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: though computers still don't have the ability to read minds |
| 04:10.35 | Gh0sty | and I think the device has the potential ... only will have to fix it myself :) |
| 04:10.42 | crashanddie | so in order for it to do what you want, you need to tell it |
| 04:10.50 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, actually, OCZ make a neural sensor |
| 04:10.54 | Gh0sty | crashanddie: well if it comes close enough to what I want I'm happy :p |
| 04:11.03 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: fairy nuff |
| 04:11.11 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: learn python, seriously |
| 04:11.15 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: you'll love it |
| 04:11.20 | luke-jr | ... |
| 04:11.22 | Gh0sty | btw any official nokia people ever visit this channel? :) |
| 04:11.22 | luke-jr | I hate Python |
| 04:11.29 | Gh0sty | supposed to know some of them ... |
| 04:11.32 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: http://xkcd.com/353/ |
| 04:11.35 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: crashanddie is sortof official nokia IIRC |
| 04:11.41 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 04:11.48 | crashanddie | since when? |
| 04:11.51 | crashanddie | I didn't get that memo |
| 04:11.56 | luke-jr | since you have +o ? |
| 04:12.00 | crashanddie | nha |
| 04:12.03 | Gh0sty | crashanddie: i know xkcd and python is on my shortlist on things to learn |
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| 04:12.20 | crashanddie | weee, luke-jr is official nokia now |
| 04:12.23 | Gh0sty | when i have "the time" (the big obscure thing which gets sucked into black holes) |
| 04:12.25 | luke-jr | Perl > Python |
| 04:12.27 | luke-jr | crashanddie: that's cheating |
| 04:12.34 | ShadowJK | Gh0sty, people that work for Nokia visit here |
| 04:12.35 | *** mode/#maemo [-o luke-jr] by ChanServ |
| 04:12.42 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 04:12.48 | luke-jr | I should have kicked Stskeeps while I had the chance |
| 04:12.50 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 04:13.00 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 04:13.01 | ShadowJK | Gh0sty, though rarely "as official Nokia representatives" |
| 04:13.13 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 04:13.13 | infobot | ~pong |
| 04:13.15 | Gh0sty | well there is a guy working there we call him p2 which is one of the developers I hear :) |
| 04:13.23 | Gh0sty | he's also from belgium originally |
| 04:13.26 | crashanddie | wow, 10 seconds ping |
| 04:13.37 | luke-jr | crashanddie: it's on your side |
| 04:13.39 | ShadowJK | And then we have various people who get paid by nokia for various things |
| 04:13.41 | luke-jr | crashanddie: I only saw 2 seconds |
| 04:13.48 | crashanddie | luke-jr: I'm using webchat |
| 04:13.54 | Gh0sty | but ok I will have a look at the sdk |
| 04:13.57 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: you from belgium bru? |
| 04:14.02 | Gh0sty | hope my friend can teach me a bit |
| 04:14.08 | Gh0sty | yes i am from belgium |
| 04:14.11 | Gh0sty | not brussels |
| 04:14.23 | Gh0sty | but rather near gent if that tells you something :p |
| 04:14.32 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: ja, gent ken ik :) |
| 04:14.36 | ShadowJK | "The nia⢠PC Game Controller frees your hands from commonly used game controls to experience true game immersion. By translating facial expressions, eye movements and concentrated brainwave activity into PC game keyboard and mouse controls, nia opens new." |
| 04:14.43 | Gh0sty | lol you from belgium too? :P |
| 04:14.46 | Gh0sty | or what? :) |
| 04:14.48 | ShadowJK | "concentrated brainwave activity" :) |
| 04:15.11 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: yeah, only lived there for 14 years though, then moved to france, uk, and now australia |
| 04:15.27 | Gh0sty | ShadowJK: i'd opt for a matrix style plug in my head (well a bit more fancy for the ladies :P ) |
| 04:15.30 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: http://xkcd.com/728/ |
| 04:15.37 | Gh0sty | woow thats nice crashanddie :P |
| 04:15.45 | Gh0sty | you're a globalist |
| 04:15.52 | Gh0sty | but i really like belgium |
| 04:15.54 | Gh0sty | it's nice :) |
| 04:15.55 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: m'n familie is van vlaanderen (een beetje overal), maar ik ben altijd naar waalse schoolen gegaan |
| 04:16.36 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: dus heb nooit nederlands geleerd, alleen maar door het te praten met familie (dus ik maak verschrikelijk veel fouten wanneer ik nederlands typ ;)) |
| 04:16.36 | Gh0sty | then i should congratulate you, your dutch is better than most people from the french part of belgium and especially after such a long time :) |
| 04:17.03 | Gh0sty | absoluut niet, mijn frans (geschreven althans) is veel slechter dan jouw nederlands |
| 04:17.08 | crashanddie | Wel I usually don't have issues speaking dutch, it's just writing that's a bitch |
| 04:17.18 | crashanddie | especially when it comes to "dt" |
| 04:17.18 | Gh0sty | voor derest ben ik 3 talig (nederlands/frans/engels) |
| 04:17.25 | Gh0sty | haha lol |
| 04:17.39 | crashanddie | but then again, most natives struggle with dt too, so I'm too bothered :P |
| 04:17.45 | Gh0sty | yes that dt rule ... not easy for none native dutch people :) |
| 04:17.53 | crashanddie | s/ too/ not too/ |
| 04:17.54 | Gh0sty | oh well thats not so important :) |
| 04:18.03 | crashanddie | feck, failwhale |
| 04:18.16 | crashanddie | ~useless |
| 04:18.17 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 04:18.17 | Gh0sty | lol |
| 04:18.21 | Gh0sty | i know what you mean :) |
| 04:18.32 | luke-jr | ~botsnack |
| 04:18.32 | infobot | luke-jr: :) |
| 04:18.34 | luke-jr | ~lart crashanddie |
| 04:18.34 | infobot | makes a balloon animal out of crashanddie |
| 04:18.44 | crashanddie | infobot: you need to start reading thoughts |
| 04:19.13 | Gh0sty | but you work for nokia really? |
| 04:19.20 | Gh0sty | or you just a fan ;- |
| 04:19.21 | Gh0sty | 0 |
| 04:19.21 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 04:19.44 | luke-jr | Stskeeps gets paid by Nokia, at least |
| 04:19.51 | Gh0sty | or thats on a need to know basis :P |
| 04:19.52 | luke-jr | but I think he's "officially" not an employee |
| 04:19.58 | crashanddie | he's a contractor |
| 04:20.06 | crashanddie | works for the community |
| 04:20.08 | crashanddie | paid for by nokia |
| 04:20.16 | Gh0sty | thats cool |
| 04:20.23 | Gh0sty | nokia has the right spirit on that :/ |
| 04:20.26 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: lick my shoes, the community wants it. |
| 04:20.30 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 04:20.31 | Gh0sty | wish more companies were like that :/ |
| 04:20.49 | Gh0sty | paying people to develop open source |
| 04:20.53 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, you have to ask the council first |
| 04:21.12 | Gh0sty | I even have trouble sometimes to get documentation validated to be published to the outside world ... |
| 04:21.50 | Gh0sty | its my way of doing something back for the community ... I work in 'secure' environment ... |
| 04:22.00 | Gh0sty | and they like to maintain security by obscurity .... |
| 04:22.29 | Gh0sty | meaning if i publish something it should be done that it's not traceable where it comes from. who created it exactly and so on ... :/ |
| 04:22.45 | Gh0sty | so not getting much credits anywhere but as long as i can ... |
| 04:23.24 | Gh0sty | but ok, since I have insomnia I was awake at 5am local time |
| 04:23.24 | luke-jr | ... |
| 04:23.32 | Gh0sty | now it's 6h20 |
| 04:23.41 | Gh0sty | time to get up, take a shower and go to work ... |
| 04:23.43 | luke-jr | meaning you have a NDA that you've just publicly on record said you're willing to violate |
| 04:24.03 | luke-jr | or the company really just doesn't want credit for their work? |
| 04:24.04 | Gh0sty | to put the time I gain from not sleeping into some good use ... |
| 04:24.24 | Gh0sty | luke-jr: I don't have an NDA |
| 04:24.42 | crashanddie | luke-jr: if only you knew how many documents I sent to wikileaks ;) |
| 04:24.43 | Gh0sty | but in european contracts it says "everything you invent here or create here is owned by the company" |
| 04:24.46 | luke-jr | crashanddie: ... |
| 04:25.00 | Gh0sty | I invent nothing in fact, I just beta/alfa test stuff, document it for the company |
| 04:25.03 | luke-jr | Gh0sty: so just infringing on their copyrights |
| 04:25.13 | crashanddie | luke-jr: note that the statement above is absolutely useless legally. |
| 04:25.21 | Gh0sty | and make a copy of the documentation with no specifics and the company information ofcourse removed ... |
| 04:25.23 | luke-jr | crashanddie: :) |
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| 04:25.31 | Gh0sty | let that get approved by the company head first ... |
| 04:25.37 | Gh0sty | and then publish that online ... |
| 04:25.50 | Gh0sty | usually on the wiki or something of the project in question |
| 04:25.57 | luke-jr | o.O |
| 04:26.07 | Gh0sty | but I usually hand it over to someone else from the project to publish it |
| 04:26.13 | Gh0sty | so it does not come from me officially |
| 04:26.14 | crashanddie | luke-jr: there's also a lot of marketing done by allowing specific details to be leaked |
| 04:26.34 | luke-jr | i c |
| 04:26.39 | crashanddie | luke-jr: Apple is one prime example of that, but Microsoft does the same, BMW, and NASA, to name a few |
| 04:28.02 | crashanddie | luke-jr: usually it's in the form of going to one of the (trusted) employees, giving him a pre-approved list of information, a few untruths, and a few plausible things, and telling him "Why don't you go have lunch with your friend from <insert website/newspaper here>" |
| 04:29.12 | Gh0sty | well not that strict maybe, I don't work for nasa |
| 04:29.17 | Gh0sty | but try to maintain that |
| 04:29.23 | Gh0sty | same goes for my nickname ... |
| 04:29.36 | Gh0sty | try to seperate that completely from my realname as much as possible |
| 04:29.45 | Gh0sty | seen security audits at our company |
| 04:29.58 | Gh0sty | where they start digging through facebook, linkedin, other social sites |
| 04:30.23 | Gh0sty | tracing how much information can we find based on dns records, ripe contacts, things which are on our website |
| 04:30.28 | Gh0sty | it's amazing actually |
| 04:30.45 | crashanddie | Gh0sty: but to answer your question, no, I don't work for Nokia, I'm a security expert (or at least, used to until I resigned last month) specialised in PKI, payment and authentication systems, I'm moving back to Europe in a couple of weeks. |
| 04:30.46 | Gh0sty | they found pictures, names, even schools of the children of our CCO and stuff ... |
| 04:31.03 | Gh0sty | oh really :) |
| 04:31.12 | Gh0sty | security is one of my 'hobbies also' :P |
| 04:31.24 | Gh0sty | and actually then i'm not so far from your job ;) |
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| 04:33.49 | Gh0sty | but anyway gtg |
| 04:33.56 | Gh0sty | get outta bed and do some work |
| 04:34.40 | Gh0sty | be back later maybe from work but due to the amount of workload currently (doing a followup of 5 projects and 30 ongoing things and that does not include daily operations ...) |
| 04:35.08 | Gh0sty | I doubt that I will have much time to get on irc during the day :) |
| 04:35.46 | Gh0sty | rather this evening if i'm not on a terrace (its actually quite nice weather here the last week ... sunny but not too warm, i like it!) |
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| 04:36.56 | crashanddie | luke-jr: The way it works is that a senior exec will come in and say, "We need to release this specific information. John, do you have a trusted friend at a major outlet? If so, call him/her and have a conversation. Idly mention this information and suggest that if it were published, that would be nice. No e-mails!" |
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| 04:37.18 | crashanddie | luke-jr: http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how_apple_does_controlled_leaks/ |
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| 05:13.42 | crashanddie | HELO RST38h |
| 05:13.53 | FIQ | ehlo all |
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| 05:23.31 | RST38h | still getting Facebook invites from unknown people. WTF? Is it some advertising scam from Facebook? |
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| 05:26.36 | crashanddie | RST38h: nope, facebook scrapes email accounts, so if you were on an email chain once, they have your email address and can "send you an invite" |
| 05:28.07 | crashanddie | I predict that the more people use facebook, the more those who don't want to use facebook will receive invite emails (once your email is attached to a facebook account I suspect you don't get those emails anymore), eventually generating more spam from facebook than spam itself |
| 05:29.06 | crashanddie | RST38h: remember that cute girl you gave your email address to? She sent you a few chains, with you and all her buddies (and coincidentally, all the emails of all the guys who tried to pick her up like you) in the "TO" header. |
| 05:29.39 | RST38h | has not given addresses to any cute girls |
| 05:29.50 | crashanddie | I tend to reply: "So, out of all the guys who gave this bitch your email address, how many got some tang?" |
| 05:30.03 | RST38h | But, you are saying it is Facebook itself spamming me from the names of imaginary friends? |
| 05:30.03 | crashanddie | I tend to be removed from the list pretty quickly |
| 05:30.26 | crashanddie | yup, but it's doing it on their behalf, they are asking facebook to do it |
| 05:30.36 | RST38h | Why would they? |
| 05:30.40 | RST38h | to spam me more? |
| 05:30.46 | crashanddie | not you specifically |
| 05:30.56 | crashanddie | they just give their gmail account username and password to facebook |
| 05:31.04 | crashanddie | and say "INVITE/ADD ALL MY CONTACTS" |
| 05:31.12 | RST38h | is not seeing how this works |
| 05:31.14 | RST38h | Ah... |
| 05:31.21 | RST38h | Now I see |
| 05:31.29 | Surfa | you can prevent fb from sedning any emails |
| 05:31.38 | crashanddie | No, they don't respect it. |
| 05:31.40 | Surfa | it's not very difficult if you browse the settings |
| 05:31.46 | Surfa | yes they do |
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| 05:31.53 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 05:31.57 | RST38h | has no Facebook account, hence no setting to browse |
| 05:32.03 | amjad | morning |
| 05:32.03 | RST38h | moorning Stskeeps |
| 05:32.03 | Surfa | fb is simply not generating emails if you have forbidden it |
| 05:32.19 | crashanddie | Surfa: but for that you need to have an account with them |
| 05:32.44 | Corsac | hey there |
| 05:32.57 | crashanddie | Surfa: all the mailing lists keep getting facebook invites, even though a few people have clicked on the "I don't want to receive facebook emails anymore" |
| 05:33.05 | Stskeeps | Corsac: there's no 2.6.32/.33 on TByet is there? |
| 05:33.10 | Surfa | ... |
| 05:33.12 | crashanddie | Surfa: they do it on a per-language base |
| 05:33.30 | Corsac | Stskeeps: they're working on it |
| 05:33.40 | crashanddie | Surfa: if you say "no thank you" to the french facebook, english facebook will still send you spam |
| 05:33.45 | crashanddie | etc, etc |
| 05:34.05 | Corsac | actually I lunched with gregoire tuesday :) |
| 05:34.12 | Surfa | and how many language variants are your friends using? |
| 05:34.21 | Surfa | 100? |
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| 05:34.27 | Corsac | but -pm branch isn't really stable yet afaiui |
| 05:34.29 | crashanddie | Surfa: does it matter? They shouldn't be spamming me ffs |
| 05:34.37 | Surfa | whine whine |
| 05:34.46 | Surfa | hope it makes you feel much better |
| 05:34.51 | crashanddie | Surfa: in case of a mailing list, that can be quite a lot. There's chinese people, russian, english, french, dutch, german, etc |
| 05:35.09 | Surfa | clicking twice instead of once is so huge difference that it must be worth complaining |
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| 05:36.14 | crashanddie | Stop trolling in favour of facebook, thanks |
| 05:36.38 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: are you silencing people opposing your views again? |
| 05:36.49 | RST38h | Fight! Fight! |
| 05:36.50 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@surfa.name] by ChanServ |
| 05:36.51 | crashanddie | sorry |
| 05:36.55 | RST38h | gets some popcorn |
| 05:37.00 | crashanddie | oy, that command didn't work |
| 05:37.01 | crashanddie | ah, there it is |
| 05:37.04 | crashanddie | sorry, lag |
| 05:37.12 | Stskeeps | you -really- have a problem, don't you? :P |
| 05:37.16 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 05:37.17 | Stskeeps | goes do work |
| 05:37.26 | crashanddie | X-Fade: you ought to remove me from the operator list, really |
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| 05:37.48 | slonopotamus | needs coffee |
| 05:37.54 | Stskeeps | i think you can be a good op, just wondering about some of your actions |
| 05:37.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:37.55 | Surfa | \o/ how constructive this is again |
| 05:38.09 | Surfa | how surprising that crashanddie is the one |
| 05:38.24 | crashanddie | I am The One? |
| 05:38.33 | crashanddie | wooohoooo \o/ |
| 05:38.36 | dmj726_n900 | Who would be interested in having glutter-box2d packaged for the n900? |
| 05:38.37 | slonopotamus | The Chosen One? |
| 05:38.44 | crashanddie | slonopotamus: nope, just The One |
| 05:38.45 | Stskeeps | dmj726_n900: what is it's purpose |
| 05:38.46 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 05:38.54 | crashanddie | its |
| 05:39.24 | Stskeeps | true, true |
| 05:39.28 | Stskeeps | needs coffee |
| 05:39.48 | Surfa | "stop trolling in favor of facebook" please.. what kind of comment is that? how about "stop trolling against the facebook" ? |
| 05:39.51 | dmj726_n900 | it is clutter (a graphics library) tied to the box-2d physics engine. |
| 05:39.58 | crashanddie | Surfa: just don't say people whine when they are stating an obvious issue, it's all I'm asking. It may not be a problem to you, but please understand it can be an issue to others |
| 05:40.05 | Surfa | you need to be objective |
| 05:40.32 | crashanddie | well, email costs money, believe it or not |
| 05:40.50 | crashanddie | and just because one service is popular for a couple of years means that everyone should get the noise |
| 05:41.25 | crashanddie | My professional email is riddled with facebook spam, continuously, I'm getting an average of 5-10 facebook emais *a day* |
| 05:41.44 | crashanddie | And yes, I've clicked quite a few times, they just don't respect my wishes |
| 05:41.45 | Stskeeps | well, you are a popular guy :P |
| 05:41.56 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: nha, I just gave my business card to the wrong people :P |
| 05:42.03 | RST38h | crashanddie: that is what procmail is for |
| 05:42.18 | crashanddie | RST38h: I don't control my corporate email |
| 05:42.27 | Surfa | money? ok, how much money do you pay per received email, compared to case if you didn't receive them? |
| 05:42.29 | RST38h | crashanddie: you direct all email from facebook.com to as many facebook corpse addresses as you can find |
| 05:42.53 | crashanddie | corpse addresse? |
| 05:42.56 | crashanddie | that's morbid :P |
| 05:43.03 | RST38h | crashanddie: corporates => corpses |
| 05:43.12 | Surfa | haahaa, just like you didn't understand the corpse word |
| 05:43.22 | RST38h | a handy abbreviation, (C)Peter Watts I suppose |
| 05:43.34 | crashanddie | Surfa: no, it's satire |
| 05:43.52 | Surfa | satire is fun when you're not overusing it |
| 05:44.11 | dmj726_n900 | I ported clutter-box2d but I'm debating wether to package it and submit to extras-devel. |
| 05:44.18 | crashanddie | Surfa: when I'm abroad, roaming? Roughly .2 gbp _per email_. And the time it takes me? Seconds, but multiply that by the whole workforce across the globe, and you get wasted money. |
| 05:45.07 | dmj726_n900 | http://vimeo.com/2899944 |
| 05:45.23 | crashanddie | Surfa: anyway, now you're really becoming a troll, picking on absolutely everything I say, so, first warning before you get a 24h ban, understood? |
| 05:45.36 | Surfa | that's not quite the formula you can use for count the price of an email |
| 05:45.57 | crashanddie | if you wish to yell at me, sure, but please do it in PM |
| 05:46.01 | crashanddie | thanks |
| 05:46.05 | TigerTael | Surfa, it's still annoying and costs actual money? |
| 05:46.22 | TigerTael | Just on principle alone it would annoy me. |
| 05:46.35 | Surfa | crashanddie, just just a way to show you how your behavior appears many other people.. our last discussion was just as productive |
| 05:46.37 | RST38h | throws some popcorn at Surfa, suggestively |
| 05:47.00 | Surfa | but ok, hope you got the point so we can stop this stupid game |
| 05:47.08 | RST38h | Surfa: You should troll a wider audience rather than simply provoke crashanddie |
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| 05:47.34 | Surfa | crashanddie, but honestly, how many emails have you declined and how many do you still receive? |
| 05:47.37 | RST38h | Surfa: Tell us what you think of Apple products or something |
| 05:47.42 | Macer | hm. if i wanted to output to a log file while keeping something outputting to the term would it be command &> output.log |
| 05:47.45 | Macer | ? |
| 05:48.10 | Surfa | crashanddie, fb itself doesn't even have that many language variants so i still find it pretty difficult to believe that it would be remarkable amount of emails |
| 05:48.15 | dmj726_n900 | Stskeeps: ^ |
| 05:48.37 | TigerTael | what? |
| 05:49.04 | Surfa | RST38h, it was discussed earlier.. what do you want to know? :) |
| 05:49.13 | RST38h | Surfa: Ah, anything |
| 05:49.21 | RST38h | Surfa: Everything, even |
| 05:49.47 | RST38h | And then you can move on to overclocking and how eager you are to try PR1.2 |
| 05:49.51 | Surfa | they are ok for some things and missing something.. i'll prefer win7 for desktops and any other phone types |
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| 05:50.30 | Surfa | overclocking is waste of time and pr1.2 is well, who cares, it comes when it's ready |
| 05:50.37 | Surfa | next? :) |
| 05:51.29 | RST38h | Surfa <== not being a good sport |
| 05:52.14 | RST38h | Ok, try something political, palestinians, gay rights, world conspiracy, I dunno... |
| 05:52.46 | bullet` | hi room |
| 05:52.52 | bullet` | whats the discussion :) |
| 05:53.07 | dmj726_n900 | trolls |
| 05:53.07 | TigerTael | Thank you for your mail. We have planned some updates and improvements for the OVI Maps Application in N900 with the next upcoming release of maemo5. Ovi Maps on Nokia N900 will support maps and route search functionality, but does not include voice-guided navigation. |
| 05:53.07 | TigerTael | Best regards, |
| 05:53.16 | TigerTael | Are vhrist... |
| 05:53.34 | Stskeeps | TigerTael: time to buy sygic |
| 05:53.43 | TigerTael | Time to become disgruntled. ;/ |
| 05:53.44 | RST38h | Poor N900 lost all networking overnight =( |
| 05:53.51 | TigerTael | Stskeeps, Sygic doesn't work in my country. |
| 05:53.56 | TigerTael | So, why would I buy that? |
| 05:54.00 | dmj726_n900 | ...I'm also seeing if people are interested in clutter-box2d. |
| 05:54.06 | Surfa | RST38h, politics is quite difficult to talk as we probably lice in different countries, palestinians are too far away that i would care, gays are ok as long as they don't harass me.. how long do you want to continue? |
| 05:54.33 | Surfa | i don't like monologs, give some input to get a discussion |
| 05:54.50 | TigerTael | As it stands, I have no solution for my N900. ;/ |
| 05:54.55 | Stskeeps | TigerTael: what country, btw? |
| 05:54.56 | Surfa | more provocative your input is more provocative i can get |
| 05:55.00 | TigerTael | Stskeeps, South Africa |
| 05:55.02 | RST38h | No, no. definitely not a good sport |
| 05:56.45 | Surfa | RST38h, you already got that if you want to get me angry you need to try something else :P |
| 05:56.45 | Surfa | and to be honest, it's pretty impossible in the irc |
| 05:56.56 | Surfa | i don't really care that much :) |
| 05:57.16 | dmj726_n900 | the noise in here is tremendous! |
| 05:57.58 | RST38h | needs to go to work |
| 05:58.44 | dmj726_n900 | Stskeeps: who's doing game stuff around here? |
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| 05:58.55 | Stskeeps | dmj726_n900: not sure, i'm more on OS side |
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| 05:59.05 | dmj726_n900 | ok. |
| 05:59.45 | dmj726_n900 | looks like a useful thing for that kind of stuff. |
| 06:00.26 | dmj726_n900 | Noticed a lot of packages are stuck in devel |
| 06:01.00 | dmj726_n900 | about 700 actually. |
| 06:01.12 | crashanddie | TigerTael: you have to buy sygic! You need to help a poor company to survive in this cruel and competitive world! |
| 06:01.35 | crashanddie | TigerTael: show that you have good faith, buy the software, even if it doesn't work in your company, and if enough people do it, they will add support for your country! |
| 06:01.46 | TigerTael | crashanddie, bah, I don't believe that. ;/ |
| 06:01.56 | dmj726_n900 | oh woe is Mecorp? |
| 06:01.58 | crashanddie | TigerTael: that, or they may just stop supporting any country in the world, considering that people buy it even if it doesn't work. |
| 06:02.15 | TigerTael | crashanddie, it wouldn't affect me anyways, so why don't you go and buy 5 copies... |
| 06:02.26 | TigerTael | That should help them. |
| 06:02.33 | crashanddie | TigerTael: I buy a copy every day! |
| 06:02.41 | TigerTael | :D |
| 06:02.50 | crashanddie | It's like my newspaper really |
| 06:02.54 | crashanddie | I buy it everytime I use it |
| 06:03.02 | TigerTael | That's pretty good eh. ;] |
| 06:03.08 | crashanddie | So one in the morning, and one in the evening, and a special one on Sunday |
| 06:03.29 | crashanddie | Man, it's a good thing software companies don't work that way |
| 06:04.15 | TigerTael | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.16 | TigerTael | P.S. May I ask from where you have obtained my contact information? |
| 06:04.17 | TigerTael | LOL |
| 06:04.51 | TigerTael | I only saw that part now. |
| 06:05.00 | Stskeeps | TigerTael: probably slightly worried of getting attacked by hordes of unsatisfied t.m.o users |
| 06:05.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:06.09 | TigerTael | Sounds like it! |
| 06:07.39 | TigerTael | This blows man... Google won't enable turn-by-turn navigation here because of licensing issues (maps and hardware works already), Nokia N900 I can't use turn-by-turn because the software doesn't support it. ;/ |
| 06:07.54 | TigerTael | I did have a solution on Android though, NDrive... |
| 06:08.42 | crashanddie | TigerTael: lemme guess, Simone.Leggio@nokia.com ? |
| 06:09.43 | dottedmag | This guy is careful, the only easily obtainable source of his email address in internet is two scientific papers. |
| 06:10.37 | TigerTael | crashanddie, exactly. :D |
| 06:10.41 | Macer | hm |
| 06:10.46 | Macer | anybody here use nget? |
| 06:11.25 | TigerTael | " Results 1 - 10 of about 8,830 for Simone.Leggio@nokia.com." |
| 06:11.58 | dottedmag | TigerTael: only two first results contain the email |
| 06:12.19 | dottedmag | Try quoting it. |
| 06:12.42 | TigerTael | 3 results... BUT... |
| 06:12.46 | TigerTael | crashanddie proved my point. |
| 06:12.52 | TigerTael | name.surname@nokia.com |
| 06:12.53 | dottedmag | Yeah :) |
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| 06:13.07 | dottedmag | Non-security through lack of obscurity :) |
| 06:13.31 | crashanddie | then again, it would fail if it was "deathrow1978@nokia.com" |
| 06:13.36 | TigerTael | hahahaha |
| 06:14.16 | TigerTael | Well I guess I'm just going to give up hope on a native app for turn-by-turn from Nokia. |
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| 06:14.28 | TigerTael | I could consider making my own basing it on Nokia maps if they allow me to. ;/ |
| 06:14.51 | TigerTael | But that sounds like a lot of heart-ache. |
| 06:14.53 | crashanddie | Or my corporate number: 1198626053216@company.com |
| 06:15.04 | TigerTael | crashanddie, drone1198626053216 |
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| 06:15.14 | crashanddie | hey, you have the same code as me? |
| 06:15.15 | crashanddie | Wow |
| 06:15.35 | dottedmag | they should start using UUIDs for email. |
| 06:15.37 | TigerTael | That'd be pretty sweet, but horrible to remember the actual email address. |
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| 06:15.42 | crashanddie | (btw, 1 for male, 1986 for year of birth, 2605 for day and month, 32 for country, and 16 for region) |
| 06:16.22 | TigerTael | How thoughtful. |
| 06:16.49 | crashanddie | though 16 may also be an incremental number based on how many registrants in one da |
| 06:16.55 | crashanddie | day |
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| 06:17.43 | TigerTael | In other news, I'm eager for MeeGo. :3 |
| 06:17.48 | crashanddie | yo wazd! |
| 06:17.57 | TigerTael | Which I'm sure you've heard a bazillion times before. |
| 06:17.59 | crashanddie | TigerTael: you can download it and install it! GO GO GO |
| 06:18.06 | TigerTael | yay yay yay. ;/ |
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| 06:18.35 | TigerTael | I actually need my phone to be able to make and receive calls. |
| 06:19.05 | crashanddie | meh, who needs such rudimentary tools |
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| 06:19.28 | crashanddie | When I was your age, we threw stones at each other as a communication device |
| 06:19.54 | crashanddie | Though long distance usually meant at the other side of the street |
| 06:20.06 | crashanddie | and local meant same room |
| 06:20.21 | TigerTael | How old are you now? |
| 06:20.26 | TigerTael | 1986? |
| 06:20.34 | TigerTael | 24? |
| 06:20.51 | crashanddie | yes, they don't take the - in the corporate drone number |
| 06:21.04 | crashanddie | but really, the first watch I had said "BC" on it |
| 06:21.10 | TigerTael | Nice. |
| 06:21.21 | crashanddie | then some day, we didn't just have to change the hour, we had to start counting backwards! |
| 06:21.29 | crashanddie | AD? Who's he? |
| 06:24.06 | crashanddie | TigerTael: how old are you, for the record? |
| 06:24.48 | TigerTael | Quid pro quo |
| 06:25.13 | crashanddie | In this context that doesn't mean anything, mate |
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| 06:25.48 | TigerTael | In the spirit of openness, I'm 27. |
| 06:26.17 | crashanddie | TigerTael: yeah, well see, I have *never* been that old! |
| 06:26.25 | TigerTael | That's what I was thinking. |
| 06:26.31 | crashanddie | So I am right, it was an infinite amount of time ago! |
| 06:26.49 | TigerTael | Assuming that time is linear. |
| 06:27.18 | crashanddie | stop with your blasphemy |
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| 06:27.32 | crashanddie | Chuck Norris has decided time was linear, so it is |
| 06:27.45 | crashanddie | For his Chuckness has counted to infinity, twice. |
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| 06:48.54 | Anss| | if Chuck would be a teacher, he would know the question for the answer 42. |
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| 07:08.13 | crashanddie | Bloody hell, flying from Brisbane to London is expensive |
| 07:08.19 | crashanddie | And it's going to be a looooong trip. |
| 07:08.24 | Stskeeps | and impossible atm? :P |
| 07:09.00 | crashanddie | Brisbane -> Singapore -> London -> Perpignan. Full 34 hours worth of travel. |
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| 07:09.23 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: it's in two weeks, I reckon the dust will have settled |
| 07:10.12 | adeus | you never know |
| 07:10.13 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: if the volcano keeps going, i wouldn't bet on it :P |
| 07:10.15 | adeus | the last eruption lasted for 2 years :) |
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| 07:10.35 | crashanddie | Meh, we'll find a way around it |
| 07:10.48 | crashanddie | Drop me off in italy, there's no smoke there, right? |
| 07:10.54 | crashanddie | I'll drive from italy to france, np |
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| 07:17.28 | TigerTael | 2 years, haha! |
| 07:18.02 | crashanddie | adeus & Stskeeps: bastards |
| 07:18.06 | Stskeeps | what |
| 07:18.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 07:18.18 | crashanddie | I don't want to be trapped here for two years |
| 07:18.21 | crashanddie | cock |
| 07:18.26 | Stskeeps | in australia or in europe? |
| 07:18.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:18.30 | crashanddie | AUS |
| 07:18.48 | crashanddie | I don't mind being trapped in eu |
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| 07:19.52 | TigerTael | but AUS is terrible? |
| 07:21.45 | Macer | awesome beach landing in the last episode of the pacific |
| 07:22.07 | TigerTael | crashanddie, you could always go by boat... ;p |
| 07:22.13 | Macer | those first 4 episodes kind of totally sucked |
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| 07:22.44 | crashanddie | Macer: STFU |
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| 07:23.49 | Macer | heh |
| 07:24.30 | Macer | you must have seen the 2nd episode where all the americans were impregnating the aussies? |
| 07:24.53 | crashanddie | STFU I said |
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| 07:24.58 | crashanddie | We only had the first episode here |
| 07:25.03 | Macer | oooooh |
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| 07:25.30 | crashanddie | Where at the end they get on board the ship, and the cook goes "Everyone knows about gualdapanal back home, you guys are heroes" |
| 07:25.33 | Macer | well... the americans win :-P |
| 07:25.41 | Macer | in the end |
| 07:25.41 | Macer | haha |
| 07:25.48 | crashanddie | Macer: no, the americans didn't win |
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| 07:25.56 | crashanddie | Macer: nobody won in WW2 |
| 07:26.02 | Macer | if you say so |
| 07:26.11 | crashanddie | some may have lost more than others, but it definitely wasn't a victory |
| 07:26.15 | Macer | i was a Marine.. we go by kill ratio |
| 07:26.26 | Macer | well... i guess am.. but i've been out since 2007 |
| 07:26.32 | Macer | :) |
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| 07:27.08 | crashanddie | Macer: did you do fun stuff? |
| 07:27.12 | crashanddie | Macer: when did you join? |
| 07:27.25 | petteri | i thought the soviets won ww2 |
| 07:27.35 | petteri | got hitler and stuff |
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| 07:27.38 | Macer | i joined in 02 and left for boot camp in 03 |
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| 07:27.53 | crashanddie | so you didn't see any real war? Fail |
| 07:28.05 | Macer | and yes. got to do plenty of "fun" stuff |
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| 07:28.56 | Macer | uhm |
| 07:28.57 | Macer | mmmkay |
| 07:28.57 | Macer | petteri: yeah but we ot to drop abombs :) |
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| 07:29.22 | GAN900 | Bllaaaaargh |
| 07:29.48 | crashanddie | petteri: the war in Europe was officially over when Soviets, US and British troups met in Germany |
| 07:30.07 | crashanddie | petteri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference |
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| 07:34.21 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:34.27 | RST38h | moos |
| 07:34.42 | Jaffa | Another night tonight in Stockholm. And it's started raining |
| 07:34.49 | crashanddie | Though if you really want to get anal, WWII only ended in 1990 |
| 07:34.57 | crashanddie | Jaffa: nice toxic ash rain? |
| 07:34.59 | frals | Jaffa: Dont hate on Stockholm ;) |
| 07:35.11 | crashanddie | Jaffa: like it wouldn't be raining in Rugby ;) |
| 07:35.13 | Jaffa | frals: Stockholm's great. Whether the last few days has been fantastic. |
| 07:35.14 | GAN900 | So, who's going to have MeeGo on their Nexus One first? |
| 07:35.21 | crashanddie | GAN900: you? |
| 07:35.24 | frals | ... at least we had good weather the last few days |
| 07:35.29 | frals | could do without the rain today :P |
| 07:35.32 | Jaffa | frals: Yeah. |
| 07:35.50 | Jaffa | frals: Whereabouts are you in Stockholm; and can you recommend anywhere for the 6 of us to go on a Friday night? |
| 07:36.05 | crashanddie | Jaffa: 6 of you? What are you guys doign? |
| 07:36.08 | RST38h | GAN: You, if you start hacking now |
| 07:36.26 | frals | Jaffa: im in the northern suburbs (Täby)... depends what you are looking for really |
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| 07:36.56 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Implementing our product at a client. First week of ~4,000 day project proper. |
| 07:37.08 | frals | and whereabouts you are, I assume smack down the middle somewhere? |
| 07:37.18 | Zeddy | wtf |
| 07:37.27 | Zeddy | cant open my theme manager on the n900 anymore |
| 07:37.29 | Zeddy | wierd |
| 07:37.44 | Jaffa | frals: Office is on Stora Essingen. We're now in a hotel in Alvik (but were more in the centre on Kungsholmen) |
| 07:38.39 | Zeddy | weird |
| 07:38.50 | Zeddy | i had no idea wierd is actually spellt weird |
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| 07:39.19 | frals | if you just want a 'regular' pub, Bishop Arms or Monks is pretty nice (Bishop Arms is just around the corner from the central station) |
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| 07:40.34 | frals | crap gotta run to the bus |
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| 07:40.51 | TigerTael | goodluck |
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| 07:41.57 | jacekowski | morning |
| 07:42.06 | BenjaminWilk | hi |
| 07:43.34 | Macer | hm. cuda sure does warm up this video card |
| 07:44.03 | jacekowski | allies won WW2 |
| 07:44.24 | jacekowski | petteri: ^ |
| 07:44.27 | jacekowski | crashanddie: ^ |
| 07:44.31 | Macer | haha |
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| 07:45.36 | Macer | wasn't china an ally? |
| 07:45.37 | Macer | :) |
| 07:45.43 | jacekowski | later on |
| 07:46.19 | jacekowski | but in 1939-1940 there were only 3 countries taking part in a war |
| 07:46.20 | Macer | they were always fighting the japanese tho |
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| 07:46.28 | jacekowski | in europe |
| 07:46.31 | marmoute | china was at war with japan. japan was at war with USA, USA was an allies |
| 07:46.46 | Macer | truman was trying to drop the bombs before russia joined the pacific war |
| 07:46.47 | jacekowski | and china vs japan was non related at the time |
| 07:47.03 | Macer | well. i know the japanese were absolutely horrible to the chinese |
| 07:47.07 | Macer | worse than hitler with the jews |
| 07:47.15 | jacekowski | it was only 1942-43 when it became world war |
| 07:47.34 | thresh | everyone knows USSR won it. |
| 07:48.07 | jacekowski | not really |
| 07:48.09 | Zeddy | anyone ever had the problem on n900 where you cant open the theme manager :F |
| 07:48.51 | jacekowski | ussr signed ribentrop-molotov pact before war |
| 07:49.07 | Macer | thresh: i doubt russia would have won if hitler wasn't fighting on two fronts |
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| 07:49.09 | jacekowski | which they did pretty much in hope that war will not reach them |
| 07:49.13 | Macer | hitler's biggest mistake :) |
| 07:49.28 | Macer | not only that but he was so hard pressed to take over england |
| 07:49.31 | jacekowski | well, 1st - resistance was much bigger than they expected |
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| 07:49.42 | Macer | and wasn't expecint such harsh resistance |
| 07:49.47 | Macer | haha yeah |
| 07:49.50 | jacekowski | 2nd - enigma |
| 07:49.52 | toresbe | On the other hand, the USSR could probably not have won without equipment from the USA |
| 07:50.04 | Macer | england probably didn't look like someone who would go all hard core ultimate defense like that |
| 07:50.08 | jacekowski | ( nobody knew that enigma was cracked for another 20 years ) |
| 07:50.14 | Macer | not to mention they had radar :) i'm sure that helped |
| 07:50.30 | jacekowski | well, it was only 50% england |
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| 07:50.52 | Macer | england seriously dug in... i can't believe they lasted as long as they did |
| 07:51.07 | jacekowski | a lot of "english" army/navy/air force was foreign |
| 07:51.14 | marmoute | Macer: we did won at kill count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_War_II_Casualties2.svg |
| 07:52.11 | Macer | marmoute: er... that's death count |
| 07:52.13 | Macer | not kill count |
| 07:52.31 | Macer | and i said kill ratio ;) |
| 07:52.41 | Macer | Marines measure victory by a kill ratio |
| 07:53.25 | marmoute | Macer: and then you drink the blood of you opponent ? |
| 07:53.35 | Macer | i think ww2 in europe... the kill ratio was 1:13 in favor of ze germans :) |
| 07:53.51 | Macer | to russia |
| 07:53.55 | jacekowski | yeah, they wiped small country |
| 07:53.58 | RST38h | Ah hello Macer |
| 07:54.10 | Macer | so for every 1 german killed... they killed 13.. that is a good kill ratio |
| 07:54.24 | RST38h | Did not help them at the end though. |
| 07:54.24 | Macer | RST38h: hey ;) been a while |
| 07:54.30 | Macer | RST38h: no.. sure didn't heh |
| 07:54.44 | jacekowski | Macer: well, they were killing civilians |
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| 07:55.15 | mikki-kun | hi |
| 07:55.34 | mikki-kun | is there actually any good navigation software for the n900 available? |
| 07:55.38 | RST38h | Macer: Actually, according to Wiki, you are away off |
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| 07:56.25 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: sygic |
| 07:56.26 | RST38h | Macer: military losses: Germany: 5533000, USSR: 88000000 to 107000000 |
| 07:56.28 | Macer | they didn't have a 1:13 kill ratio against the russians? |
| 07:56.38 | RST38h | Macer: At most 1:2 |
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| 07:56.47 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: is there turn by turn for that? |
| 07:56.52 | jacekowski | RST38h: seems little bit to high |
| 07:56.55 | marmoute | RST38h: 5533000 on eastern front ? |
| 07:56.56 | Macer | uhm |
| 07:56.57 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: yes |
| 07:57.04 | jacekowski | RST38h: that's way to high |
| 07:57.11 | RST38h | Macer: Which is logical given that both sides had similarly specced arms and neither side used WMDs |
| 07:57.28 | jacekowski | RST38h: russia population was about 200m 100 years ago |
| 07:57.32 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: thanks :) |
| 07:57.33 | Macer | RST38h: that is against russia alone? |
| 07:57.40 | RST38h | Macer: Yes |
| 07:57.44 | jacekowski | RST38h: that would mean that half country was killed |
| 07:57.46 | RST38h | Macer: And no civilians |
| 07:57.49 | Macer | hm |
| 07:57.54 | marmoute | RST38h: you have too much zero in your russia figure |
| 07:58.00 | RST38h | jacekowski: I typed an extra 0, do not be such a wikipedian |
| 07:58.11 | RST38h | Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country |
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| 07:58.51 | jacekowski | that extra zero matters |
| 07:59.16 | Macer | haha |
| 07:59.19 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 07:59.24 | jacekowski | airports still closed |
| 08:00.18 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: was sygic free? |
| 08:00.20 | Macer | wtf |
| 08:00.25 | Macer | 40 million for brazil? |
| 08:00.32 | Macer | mexico was in ww2? :) |
| 08:00.35 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: from torrents |
| 08:00.45 | jacekowski | Macer: that's why it was ww2 |
| 08:00.46 | mikki-kun | hm... any free alternative? |
| 08:00.50 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: no |
| 08:00.54 | Macer | oh... wait.. wrong column |
| 08:00.56 | Macer | haha.. i was about to say |
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| 08:01.20 | jacekowski | Macer: all commonwealth countries were in a war |
| 08:01.32 | mikki-kun | hm ;/ let's see what nokia is then doing out of ovi maps... |
| 08:01.49 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: nothing |
| 08:01.53 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: no turn by turn |
| 08:01.59 | Macer | RST38h: er |
| 08:02.05 | Jaffa | Ovi Maps sucks donkeys' balls. |
| 08:02.29 | Macer | that doesn't separate it by country... german military deaths are lumped together for the entire war and at 4 million |
| 08:02.33 | mikki-kun | well, i won't give up in a way... still having small hopes |
| 08:02.52 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: get sygic |
| 08:02.56 | marmoute | The poland military/civilian death ratio is impressive. But givenit's army hold only two 2 days before collapsing it's easily explainable. |
| 08:02.56 | TigerTael | Thank you for your mail. We have planned some updates and improvements for the OVI Maps Application in N900 with the next upcoming release of maemo5. Ovi Maps on Nokia N900 will support maps and route search functionality, but does not include voice-guided navigation. |
| 08:02.57 | TigerTael | Best regards, |
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| 08:03.41 | Macer | TigerTael: Love, Google |
| 08:03.46 | TigerTael | Love, Nokia. |
| 08:03.51 | Macer | :) |
| 08:04.06 | Macer | TigerTael: everybody knows google runs the world |
| 08:04.15 | TigerTael | Google ftl. ;/ |
| 08:04.30 | Macer | yeah |
| 08:04.37 | Macer | i tried my best to ditch google |
| 08:04.39 | mikki-kun | well, gotta sort that out with myself in a way... didn't want to turn to torrents |
| 08:04.47 | Macer | it's like the blob.. it just keeps getting bigger |
| 08:05.07 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: buy it from sygic then |
| 08:05.24 | TigerTael | Macer, the thing is, other Nokia phones in my country support voice-guided navigation... |
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| 08:05.31 | TigerTael | Only the N900 doesn't. ;/ |
| 08:05.39 | RST38h | TigerTael: Tell us something news. |
| 08:05.40 | Macer | TigerTael: my n95 did but you had to pay extra |
| 08:05.44 | Macer | my G1 did as well |
| 08:05.48 | Macer | does.. i still have it |
| 08:05.51 | mikki-kun | let's see what the price is |
| 08:05.52 | RST38h | 'cause lack of voice navigation in n900 is not news |
| 08:05.52 | TigerTael | Macer, you don't have to pay extra now... |
| 08:06.00 | TigerTael | RST38h, obviously. |
| 08:06.04 | Macer | TigerTael: because google is forcing everybody to make it free ;) |
| 08:06.13 | TigerTael | Macer, which is great! |
| 08:06.25 | mikki-kun | ohhh, not my region avail for the n900? bad |
| 08:06.31 | Macer | TigerTael: until garmin goes bankrupt and nokia loses 50/share |
| 08:06.34 | Macer | :) |
| 08:06.48 | TigerTael | Then maybe they will take their thumbs out of their arses? |
| 08:06.57 | Macer | TigerTael: of course not |
| 08:07.00 | Macer | they will be bought by google |
| 08:07.31 | TigerTael | Linux ftw. |
| 08:07.32 | mikki-kun | ö.ö 60⬠?! |
| 08:07.40 | mikki-kun | i paid for the phone already enough |
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| 08:07.45 | mikki-kun | imo |
| 08:08.08 | Macer | so how is maemo5 working out so far? |
| 08:08.18 | TigerTael | Works quite well. |
| 08:08.21 | Macer | i've heard a lot of rumors that it's rather unstable but i can't go off rumor |
| 08:08.32 | TigerTael | I've never had a reboot on my phone. |
| 08:08.40 | Macer | don't really know what people might consider unstable |
| 08:08.41 | TigerTael | Never had an app crash... |
| 08:08.45 | Macer | TigerTael: lots of apps crashing? |
| 08:08.45 | Macer | ah |
| 08:08.52 | Macer | well... guess that's odd then |
| 08:09.11 | mikki-kun | i had some apps crashing... |
| 08:09.12 | TigerTael | My phone is rock solid. |
| 08:09.21 | mikki-kun | but well, used many from the devel |
| 08:09.31 | mikki-kun | was trying different apps |
| 08:09.37 | TigerTael | Yeah, I don't generally take apps from devel. |
| 08:09.51 | Macer | hm |
| 08:09.55 | Macer | i think i'll buy one tomorrow then |
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| 08:10.00 | mikki-kun | expected that to happen, so after it got really slow and whatever i flashed it and have only selected apps on it |
| 08:10.02 | TigerTael | Macer, N900? |
| 08:10.06 | Macer | yes |
| 08:10.12 | mikki-kun | and it's really fast |
| 08:10.13 | TigerTael | For what reason? |
| 08:10.16 | Macer | i was about to get one when it first came out but i check fired |
| 08:10.18 | TigerTael | What phone do you have now? |
| 08:10.20 | Macer | TigerTael: i loved my n810 ;) |
| 08:10.24 | TigerTael | aha! |
| 08:10.27 | Macer | i still have my G1 and n95 |
| 08:10.28 | TigerTael | Then you should like the N900. |
| 08:10.39 | Macer | still has most of the same apps? |
| 08:10.43 | Macer | like a linux term etc? |
| 08:10.50 | Macer | and the integrated jabber app? :) |
| 08:10.56 | Macer | telepathy? |
| 08:10.56 | TigerTael | ctrl+shift+x goes straight to terminal. |
| 08:11.13 | TigerTael | Dunno about telepathy... |
| 08:11.15 | korhojoa | hurr |
| 08:12.06 | TigerTael | But I use the pidgin plugin for conversations for every other service that the phone doesn't natively support. |
| 08:12.20 | Macer | TigerTael: well. i don't use gtalk.. i use my zimbra server for jabber stuff |
| 08:12.22 | jacekowski | Macer: integrated jabber |
| 08:12.24 | Macer | which can talk to gtalk contacts ;) |
| 08:12.28 | Macer | jacekowski: ah ok awesome |
| 08:12.29 | jacekowski | zimbra jabber sucks |
| 08:12.36 | Macer | jacekowski: it works well enough :-P |
| 08:12.37 | Macer | heh |
| 08:12.42 | jacekowski | well, s2s has problems |
| 08:12.51 | jacekowski | it doesn't read SRV records correctly |
| 08:12.52 | Macer | jacekowski: hm. mine seems to work with gtalk fine |
| 08:13.05 | Macer | which is probably the only one i care about |
| 08:13.15 | Macer | i haven't tried facebook contacts but i don't use facebook |
| 08:13.24 | Macer | that's another thing that i have learned to avoid :) |
| 08:13.24 | jacekowski | i run my own ejabberd2 using zimbra ldap to authenticate |
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| 08:13.35 | Macer | jacekowski: really? that sounds pretty interesting |
| 08:13.43 | jacekowski | with jorge + log_sql for archiving |
| 08:13.43 | Macer | works a lot better? |
| 08:13.49 | jacekowski | yes |
| 08:13.53 | Macer | how do you get the zimbra web client to use it? |
| 08:14.01 | jacekowski | never tried that |
| 08:14.04 | Macer | heh |
| 08:14.09 | Macer | well.. that part is important ;) |
| 08:14.15 | Macer | that's why i didn't swap off the internal one |
| 08:14.16 | jacekowski | but there is a lot of jabber clients |
| 08:14.25 | jacekowski | that can work |
| 08:14.32 | Macer | jacekowski: the clients for android all suck ;) |
| 08:14.41 | Macer | but then again.. i think android kind of sucks in general |
| 08:14.48 | jacekowski | android sucks |
| 08:14.50 | Macer | especially with that self killing thing android does when it runs low on ram |
| 08:14.57 | TigerTael | lol |
| 08:14.57 | Macer | where it just picks and chooses what to kill |
| 08:15.08 | jacekowski | Macer: that's linux thing |
| 08:15.09 | Macer | which is usually a jabber client |
| 08:15.13 | jacekowski | and maemo does the same |
| 08:15.17 | jacekowski | it's called OOM kill |
| 08:15.29 | jacekowski | http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer |
| 08:15.30 | Macer | i never had a problem with my n810 doing it |
| 08:15.32 | Macer | :) |
| 08:15.42 | Macer | in android.. if i run a browser.. everything dies |
| 08:15.51 | jacekowski | well, apps for maemo are more efficient |
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| 08:16.04 | jacekowski | dalvik creates huge memory overhead |
| 08:16.20 | Macer | as long as telepathy has jabber support |
| 08:16.27 | Macer | my main concern is an integrated jabber client |
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| 08:16.55 | Macer | i would rather run integrated included apps for things .. i'm not a big fan of a 3rd party app unless it is required |
| 08:16.55 | jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=42 |
| 08:17.12 | jacekowski | well, there are plugins for im in n900 |
| 08:17.25 | jacekowski | so it integrates nicely with it |
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| 08:17.44 | Macer | i figured jabber support was included |
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| 08:17.48 | Macer | it was in the n810 ;) |
| 08:17.55 | noobmonk3y | overclocked................. his coffee this morning, 1 extra sugar ;) |
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| 08:18.16 | jacekowski | noobmonk3y: your coffee might break because of that |
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| 08:19.22 | noobmonk3y | was prepared and has a second mug awaiting just in case...... in the world of science, a coffee is never safe!! |
| 08:19.31 | korhojoa | noobmonk3y: remember: if you find that it does not have you functioning normally, don't try to RMA it |
| 08:19.43 | noobmonk3y | korhojoa: loL!!! |
| 08:20.34 | jacekowski | that reminds me of my laptop |
| 08:20.36 | korhojoa | "I'm sorry, I can't handle all this sugar..." "you put that sugar in there yourself, sir." "oh." |
| 08:20.36 | jacekowski | i have to RMA it |
| 08:20.50 | noobmonk3y | hehehe! :D |
| 08:20.56 | korhojoa | jacekowski: you should not put sugar in your laptop |
| 08:21.09 | jacekowski | what's the default password for root on n900? |
| 08:21.17 | korhojoa | uh, is there any? |
| 08:21.24 | korhojoa | i thought it was set when you install ssh |
| 08:22.03 | jacekowski | nah, nothing asked me for it |
| 08:22.07 | frals | rootme or smth isnt it |
| 08:22.29 | X-Fade | morning |
| 08:23.04 | Khertan_Home | while testing moblin on my netbook ... i'm discovering yum ... hum ... |
| 08:23.05 | frals | mornin X-Fade |
| 08:23.09 | Khertan_Home | strange managment |
| 08:23.17 | Stskeeps | Khertan_Home: it's supposed to be zypper instead i think |
| 08:23.20 | korhojoa | strange management? |
| 08:23.21 | Macer | wow n97 costs more than an n900? |
| 08:23.22 | Macer | amazing |
| 08:23.29 | korhojoa | Macer: that isn't right |
| 08:23.38 | jacekowski | well, nokia underpriced n900 little bit |
| 08:23.44 | Macer | no wait |
| 08:23.45 | thresh | under??? |
| 08:23.47 | Macer | $50 less |
| 08:23.49 | Macer | :) |
| 08:23.52 | Macer | my bad |
| 08:23.58 | jacekowski | it's still underpriced |
| 08:24.00 | Macer | n97 still run symbian doesn't it? |
| 08:24.04 | jacekowski | Macer: yes |
| 08:24.09 | frals | the 600e i spent begs to differ ;) |
| 08:24.35 | jacekowski | iphone costs more |
| 08:24.49 | Macer | i thought iphones were 400 |
| 08:25.14 | Macer | unlocked iphones are 800+ on amazon |
| 08:25.15 | Macer | heh |
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| 08:26.43 | Macer | WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900 |
| 08:26.45 | Macer | wtf |
| 08:26.57 | Macer | i thought tmob was 1700 |
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| 08:32.48 | Macer | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Phones_with_Carrier_Plan/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=A3076016 |
| 08:32.57 | Macer | is that right? those tech specs don't look right. it has a freq of 1900 |
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| 08:34.50 | ShadowJK | that's a list of gsm frequencies |
| 08:34.56 | ShadowJK | not of wcdma frequencies |
| 08:35.43 | ShadowJK | and yes, N900 pricepoint was about 200euro below N97 at release :) |
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| 08:36.20 | Macer | ah ok |
| 08:37.09 | ShadowJK | and those frequencies are correct for gsm :) |
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| 08:40.55 | Anss| | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/15/no-flash.jpg |
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| 08:43.51 | Zeddy | btw the widget examples are not to be downloaded |
| 08:43.57 | Zeddy | they apparently mess with the system a bit |
| 08:44.18 | Zeddy | i was unable to open theme manager, after uninstalling the widget examples it worked perfectly, and somewhat quicker response time aswel |
| 08:44.34 | Zeddy | wonder what the heck they coders of those examples have been up to :p |
| 08:46.56 | thresh | YEAHHH most useful app for N900 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50089 |
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| 08:47.35 | ShadowJK | openssh? |
| 08:47.45 | ShadowJK | oh, even better! :-) |
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| 08:48.08 | Stskeeps | or keeping track of how many drinks a girl have had |
| 08:48.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:48.17 | thresh | yeahh |
| 08:48.34 | Stskeeps | "her alcohol level is now optimal for flirting" |
| 08:48.37 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 08:49.23 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, you're possibly more creepy than me |
| 08:49.54 | thresh | Stskeeps: exactly. |
| 08:49.56 | Stskeeps | i could have said much worse things. |
| 08:50.47 | jacekowski | have anybody made app package with bash? |
| 08:51.11 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, yeah sure, it's just recognizing the stalker value in it |
| 08:51.13 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 08:51.39 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i'm as surprised as anyone that i'm actually married without the slightest bit of stalkering in it :P |
| 08:51.51 | Macer | haha |
| 08:52.13 | X-Fade | heh |
| 08:52.31 | lcuk | lol |
| 08:53.00 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, admit it, your computer fixes had built-in timebombs so she'd come back for more tech support |
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| 08:53.35 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: no, those were not placed yet at that point ;) |
| 08:54.00 | Stskeeps | yawns and looks at bootmenu |
| 08:54.28 | Macer | Stskeeps: i am sorry. i didn't stick arond long before.. did mer finally get the gl stuff going? |
| 08:54.42 | Macer | you said something about meego or whatever it's called |
| 08:56.19 | Stskeeps | Macer: not in a usable fashion, but that wasn't reall mer's fault |
| 08:56.23 | Stskeeps | and meego is the successor of mer |
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| 08:57.33 | ShadowJK | possibly the more interesting question would be if it's even possible to get it going in a usable fashion ;-) |
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| 08:58.21 | Macer | haha |
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| 08:58.42 | Macer | well. didn't you guys get it going on x86? |
| 08:58.49 | Stskeeps | sure, gl part works |
| 08:58.55 | Macer | just not on n810? |
| 08:58.59 | Stskeeps | but there's a big stretch from that to a mobile device |
| 08:59.48 | Macer | The hardware is now final at shipment. Software is still in beta, probably till the end of 2009. |
| 08:59.55 | Macer | (From AI's touchbook site) |
| 08:59.58 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 09:00.00 | Macer | i wonder if they still tip over |
| 09:00.07 | Macer | :) wow what a let down that thing was |
| 09:00.13 | Macer | Stskeeps: try out an ipad? |
| 09:00.22 | Macer | isn't it just an oversized iphone without the 3G modem? |
| 09:00.26 | Stskeeps | Macer: afaik |
| 09:00.33 | Stskeeps | Macer: i don't like devices i can't hack |
| 09:00.37 | X-Fade | Terribly low res too. |
| 09:00.39 | Macer | they're that locked down? |
| 09:00.46 | Macer | X-Fade: really? what is the res on it? |
| 09:00.48 | X-Fade | I would expect 3000x2000 on that size. |
| 09:00.54 | Macer | it's rather large to have a low res |
| 09:00.59 | X-Fade | 1024x768 or so. |
| 09:01.09 | Macer | oh. that's not too bad for a "pad" |
| 09:01.15 | Stskeeps | Macer: i like devices like the joggler, http://blip.tv/file/3491206?filename=Stskeeps-Mer017testing11OnAJogglerWith3dAcceleration457.flv |
| 09:01.22 | Macer | i can't stand anything that uses on-screen touch keyboads |
| 09:01.27 | X-Fade | Not 260 dpi as we are used to ;) |
| 09:01.27 | Stskeeps | Macer: (there's some flaws due to 16 vs 24 bpp. fixing today) |
| 09:01.38 | ShadowJK | some ipads have 3g modem |
| 09:02.15 | Termana | Some Pads are for hygeine |
| 09:02.29 | Macer | ShadowJK: i thought they were going to release the 3G ipads later |
| 09:02.36 | Macer | like the iphone: now with compass! |
| 09:02.54 | ShadowJK | well they still haven't released ipad anywhere except US |
| 09:03.17 | Macer | and people ate them up |
| 09:03.31 | Macer | i don't know what it is about apple products where people just eat them up |
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| 09:03.42 | Macer | i mean is their marketing just that good? |
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| 09:03.45 | MiXu- | Yes |
| 09:03.50 | mece | iSheep numbers are great in america. |
| 09:03.52 | Macer | i honestly never saw a single ipad commercial |
| 09:04.01 | Macer | how ddi they even know they were coming out? :) |
| 09:04.09 | Macer | then again. i hardly ever watch actual tv |
| 09:04.17 | mece | it's the interwebs |
| 09:05.16 | Macer | ah well |
| 09:05.32 | Macer | amazing that at one point people were thinking apple was going to go bankrupt |
| 09:05.34 | Macer | or get bought out |
| 09:05.36 | Termana | Isn't it a little dangerous to be eating iPads? |
| 09:05.38 | Macer | :) |
| 09:05.48 | Termana | :P |
| 09:05.49 | Macer | i think the ipod and imac saved apple |
| 09:06.23 | mece | well.. ipod. |
| 09:06.45 | Macer | no. the imac helped |
| 09:07.00 | mece | i suppose. |
| 09:07.02 | Macer | it was the "cheap one" with colors |
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| 09:07.07 | ShadowJK | watched tv last christmas |
| 09:07.07 | Macer | i think it was the colors that did it |
| 09:07.14 | ShadowJK | uh, last last.. |
| 09:07.36 | Arkenoi | imac really shocked me back then |
| 09:07.46 | Arkenoi | or to be more precise people shocked me |
| 09:08.24 | Arkenoi | the same old "Quadra" put into transparent plastic bin |
| 09:08.44 | Arkenoi | and people really DID believe it is "revolutionary new computer" |
| 09:08.55 | mece | well, things haven't changed then :) |
| 09:09.13 | Macer | Arkenoi: it used a ppc cpu :) |
| 09:09.17 | Macer | i could give it that much |
| 09:09.18 | Arkenoi | despite the fact there were numerous weird custom computer case designs and market mostly ignored them |
| 09:09.23 | Macer | i miss ppc |
| 09:09.23 | Arkenoi | macer haha |
| 09:09.48 | Arkenoi | ppc macs were available several YEARS before iMac |
| 09:09.53 | Macer | Arkenoi: it was the apple symbol |
| 09:10.09 | Arkenoi | it is the same Quadra packet differently |
| 09:10.12 | Macer | people can relate to apples in most non 3rd world countries |
| 09:10.34 | Macer | they got rid of the rainbow apple look |
| 09:10.49 | ShadowJK | I walked into an apple store once |
| 09:10.55 | Arkenoi | loved old rainbow logo more |
| 09:11.12 | mece | yeah! now they is hating on the gays! |
| 09:11.20 | Macer | hahaha |
| 09:11.20 | mece | or.. |
| 09:11.42 | ShadowJK | I said "I heard Mac OS is like unix now, where's the xterm, does it have a compiler? how do I make stuff?" and the people in the store had no idea what I was talking about ;( |
| 09:11.47 | Macer | they probably got sued by the gays claiming trademark on the rainbow |
| 09:11.56 | ShadowJK | I think that was 2004 or 2005 |
| 09:12.04 | mece | used to be all about the gays, now they're all about the smug. |
| 09:12.10 | Macer | ShadowJK: it isn't that bad |
| 09:12.12 | mece | ok.. sorry about that :) |
| 09:12.18 | mece | ShadowJK, LOL |
| 09:12.20 | Macer | osx that is |
| 09:12.26 | Lumpio- | Actually the gay never went out |
| 09:12.29 | Lumpio- | Now it's about being smug *and* gay. |
| 09:12.35 | Macer | i personally can't stand osx |
| 09:12.40 | mece | But, they removed the rainbow logo!!!! |
| 09:12.40 | Macer | but it's not bad when you get rid of the gui |
| 09:12.57 | Macer | ironically enough i'm running kde on a macbook now |
| 09:12.58 | Macer | hahaha |
| 09:13.02 | N900evil | do not use the word gay like that. |
| 09:13.02 | mece | LOL |
| 09:13.13 | Arkenoi | thinks that rainbows and black leather are NOT gay and does not care gay community claims rights on that things ;-) |
| 09:13.14 | N900evil | the correct term is iSexual. |
| 09:13.40 | mece | err... no. |
| 09:13.48 | Macer | Arkenoi: don't mess with the gays man.. i mean personally i could care less if a man is gay... but... they're dangerous |
| 09:13.51 | Macer | :) |
| 09:14.00 | mece | LOL |
| 09:14.12 | Macer | don't let the treated nails and bleached hair fool you.. they are like a mafia |
| 09:14.22 | Arkenoi | well, i guess you may feel quite safe (if you watch your behind ;-) |
| 09:14.32 | mece | wtf? |
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| 09:14.34 | Macer | and hey. the more gay men there are the less competition for women in the world so that's a + |
| 09:14.52 | Macer | :) but osx totally sucks |
| 09:15.05 | Macer | i'd think otherwise MAYBE if they actually put kernel level zfs in it |
| 09:15.11 | Arkenoi | not "totally" |
| 09:15.12 | mece | I hear it's pretty good. Oh well. wouldn't touch the thing with a six foot pole |
| 09:15.12 | Macer | like they were supposed to |
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| 09:15.17 | Arkenoi | it sucks a bit less than widnows |
| 09:15.23 | Macer | i hate the gui |
| 09:15.25 | Macer | and hfs+ |
| 09:15.29 | Macer | hfs+ most of all |
| 09:15.46 | Macer | but using it headless as a server would be nice to do |
| 09:16.09 | Arkenoi | hates damn ___OSX folders in archives |
| 09:16.16 | mece | I started disliking mac's when I was working tech support, and there was 99% pc and a couple of douches who just had to have macs |
| 09:16.20 | Macer | yup |
| 09:16.21 | Khertan_Home | ok ... moblin isn't for me ... no tomboy sync |
| 09:16.23 | Macer | Arkenoi: there is no way to stop that |
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| 09:16.35 | Macer | not the ._DS_Store ones.. but the other ones |
| 09:16.43 | mece | Khertan, it doesn't sound like something permanent... |
| 09:16.44 | Macer | that you can't stop from popping up without 3rd party software |
| 09:17.09 | Zeddy | anyone know what i should do? When i roam around in my school and walk from one wlan area to the other, it apparently "roams" but after roaming i cannot use the connection |
| 09:17.18 | noobmonk3y | has 1 mac and 7,800 pc's at work to deal with, and damn that mac gives me grief |
| 09:17.18 | Zeddy | i have to manually disconnect and connect for it to work |
| 09:17.29 | jacekowski | it's not phone problem |
| 09:17.32 | jacekowski | it's AP problem |
| 09:17.36 | Arkenoi | why macos archivers just do not have "don't pack os-specific shit" option default? |
| 09:17.44 | jacekowski | most of the doesn't update mac tables correctly |
| 09:17.45 | nid0 | simple solution noobmonk3y, ditch the mac |
| 09:17.47 | Zeddy | jacekowski, you sure? |
| 09:17.52 | nid0 | by force or violence, if need be. |
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| 09:17.59 | jacekowski | yeah, i've spent some time fuc*** around with wifi roaming |
| 09:18.02 | jacekowski | and it's just hopeless |
| 09:18.05 | noobmonk3y | ;) - i've tried coffee spillage, and the darn thing survived |
| 09:18.10 | Zeddy | but it works with my laptop :) |
| 09:18.28 | jacekowski | because laptops advertise itself |
| 09:18.30 | nid0 | but yeah we have the same problem at work, 95% of the "i cant publish my website, help" are tossers using iweb that only works properly with apple's own hosting service |
| 09:18.31 | jacekowski | and arp's get updated |
| 09:18.39 | jacekowski | but that's AP job not STA |
| 09:18.44 | Zeddy | ok.. |
| 09:19.00 | Zeddy | so theres no workaround then |
| 09:19.02 | Zeddy | great |
| 09:19.07 | jacekowski | there is workaround |
| 09:19.12 | Macer | nid0: ahhahah |
| 09:19.24 | Macer | what about entourage? :) |
| 09:19.27 | Zeddy | i cant tell the it administration to fix it.. They most likely even cant :p |
| 09:19.32 | Macer | ever have the fun with those types yet? |
| 09:19.38 | jacekowski | but you should tell them to fix it |
| 09:19.48 | nid0 | actually mac mail does give us a lot of problems as well |
| 09:19.50 | jacekowski | besides, school with public wifi/ |
| 09:19.52 | jacekowski | ? |
| 09:19.55 | jacekowski | where are you |
| 09:19.58 | jacekowski | i want to live there |
| 09:19.59 | nid0 | as the damn thing defaults to port 587 for smtp |
| 09:20.06 | nid0 | whoever's braindead idea that was. |
| 09:20.15 | jacekowski | that's submission port |
| 09:20.20 | jacekowski | and it's correct behaviour |
| 09:20.36 | nid0 | no, its authenticated submission port, and is incorrect behavior for nonauthenticated client smtp. |
| 09:20.37 | jacekowski | 25 is supposed to be only s2s communication |
| 09:20.41 | crashanddie | jacekowski: when I was at school there was free wifi all over the technical area |
| 09:21.19 | jacekowski | here it's ussualy that you can get internet from school equipment ( wpa2 ) |
| 09:21.32 | jacekowski | and pretty much everything is filtered |
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| 09:22.35 | crashanddie | where is "here" again? |
| 09:22.40 | Treibholz | damn... the flash-player is to slow for http://www.dothedaft.com/idaft/ |
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| 09:50.57 | hrw | hi |
| 09:51.22 | hrw | X-Fade: how many people worked on ->squeeze move? |
| 09:52.04 | X-Fade | hrw: about 6 |
| 09:52.41 | hrw | X-Fade: and everybody from maemo community? no one @nokia? |
| 09:52.47 | X-Fade | We've actually been testing for a while now. |
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| 09:52.59 | X-Fade | hrw: Also people from the Nokia sdk team. |
| 09:53.24 | hrw | thx |
| 09:53.41 | X-Fade | hrw: squeeze devkit finally uses sane versions, not deprecated ;) |
| 09:53.56 | hrw | X-Fade: big thanks to all of you for solving this problem |
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| 09:56.59 | jacekowski | squeeze? |
| 09:57.04 | X-Fade | hrw: At least from now on bringing in recent debian packages will be a lot easier too. |
| 09:57.11 | jacekowski | that's debian release name and what else? |
| 09:57.20 | hrw | jacekowski: debian 'testing' |
| 09:57.21 | achipa | jacekowski: character from toy story ? |
| 09:57.40 | jacekowski | i'm not getting relation between debian and maemo |
| 09:57.41 | hrw | jacekowski: all Debian releases are named by characters from toy story movies |
| 09:58.01 | hrw | jacekowski: maemo uses Debian as base but most of packages were altered |
| 09:58.04 | supertramp | is socat replacement for netcat? |
| 09:58.06 | hrw | often in ugly way |
| 09:58.17 | jacekowski | supertramp: no |
| 09:58.39 | supertramp | jacekowski: I can't find netcat package ... then |
| 09:58.42 | supertramp | :( |
| 09:58.46 | supertramp | damn |
| 09:58.51 | jacekowski | try searching for nc |
| 09:59.10 | hrw | jacekowski: there were rumours that when Debian will use all characters from Toy Story 1/2 Pixar will make Toy Story 3 |
| 09:59.10 | supertramp | I think socat extends netcat |
| 09:59.33 | supertramp | is there something the socat cannot comparing to nc? |
| 09:59.39 | hrw | socat can be used as netcat |
| 09:59.44 | supertramp | cannot do |
| 10:00.00 | jacekowski | well, it's like comparing mhm |
| 10:00.09 | jacekowski | tv to radio |
| 10:00.43 | jacekowski | socat purpose is completly different |
| 10:00.53 | supertramp | e? |
| 10:01.14 | hrw | jacekowski: anyway according to Debian description socat can be used as netcat replacement |
| 10:01.26 | jacekowski | well, i'm using both |
| 10:01.32 | jacekowski | and it's completly different program |
| 10:02.18 | Zeddy | http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/15/live-wallpapers-come-to-the-n900/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MaemoCentral+(Maemo+Central) |
| 10:02.19 | Zeddy | cool |
| 10:02.27 | Zeddy | wonder how much battery thats gonna drain lol |
| 10:03.17 | SpeedEvil | not much |
| 10:03.22 | SpeedEvil | less you sit there staring at it |
| 10:03.57 | jacekowski | Zeddy: not a lot |
| 10:04.12 | jacekowski | Zeddy: i doubt it will be moving when you are not looking at it |
| 10:04.21 | jacekowski | btw. google e17 |
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| 10:06.47 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it can do live streaming |
| 10:07.36 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 10:08.51 | NuD1t7 | hmm ... btw .. is there a way for my n900 to find/access my windows workgroup shared folders/files ? |
| 10:09.13 | NuD1t7 | like in ubuntu the mambo/jambo/samba or whatever it was |
| 10:09.30 | NuD1t7 | always forget the name of the thingy |
| 10:09.34 | frals | think there is cifs module |
| 10:10.01 | NuD1t7 | cifs ? |
| 10:10.05 | Arkenoi | does not need live wallpapers, but i'd like to have different themes for daylight and for nighttime |
| 10:10.38 | lcuk | Arkenoi, live wallpapers can be used for that sort of thing |
| 10:10.43 | lcuk | they dont have to be busy active |
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| 10:10.56 | frals | NuD1t7: it should be able to do what you want iirc |
| 10:11.02 | lcuk | it can be as simple as just changing its own wallpaper every now and then |
| 10:11.15 | NuD1t7 | frals ok thx i'll try it out |
| 10:11.36 | frals | i want live wp with a mailman delivering my email |
| 10:11.39 | X-Fade | But live wallpapers can do a lot more if you want ;) |
| 10:12.13 | X-Fade | The wallpaper can actually interact with the icons and widgets on the desktop. |
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| 10:12.36 | Stskeeps | godzilla live wallpaper |
| 10:12.38 | Stskeeps | eating icons |
| 10:12.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:12.53 | X-Fade | hehe |
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| 10:13.55 | frals | need to have a look at that when i get fmms in extras :) |
| 10:14.36 | ccooke | X-Fade: the problem with live wallpaper is it reminds me of Active Desktop in Windows... mainly because that *is* live wallpaper. And I can't help but recall seeing one person's desktop set to the hampsterdance page (hey, it was years ago ;-) |
| 10:14.48 | ccooke | (with the audio, of course) |
| 10:14.55 | X-Fade | ccooke: hehe :) |
| 10:15.11 | lcuk | lol ccooke |
| 10:15.19 | BCMM | is there a package to block flash that isn't also a general ad-blocker? |
| 10:15.22 | frals | todays annoyance: not being able to copypaste from "about product" :P |
| 10:16.22 | frals | BCMM: i saw something on tmo about flashblocker, sounds like it might do what you want |
| 10:16.22 | BCMM | (i try to only block very annoying ads to avoid cutting off a site's revenue and exert a selective pressure) |
| 10:17.13 | BCMM | only thing i've found is also an adblocker |
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| 10:26.33 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: xsnow! |
| 10:26.58 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xsnow |
| 10:27.11 | achipa | wonders whether Debian started to be late again, losing clamav due to EOL from latest stable is not funny |
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| 10:35.42 | agi | xsnow with accelerometer support!! or make your n900 one of those 'NY at winter' things |
| 10:37.40 | agi | achipa: lenny was released ~1year ago, you cannot released every year, for many reasons |
| 10:38.44 | noobmonk3y | frals: i agree tis annoying - what are you trying to copy? |
| 10:39.02 | achipa | agi: they sort of have lenny-updates for exactly this purpose |
| 10:39.55 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: thinking about arranging a london and a Brum meetup in the next few months, would you be up for either? |
| 10:40.15 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, sure thing |
| 10:40.23 | frals | noobmonk3y: was gonna copy version info ;( |
| 10:40.26 | lcuk | i need to sort out finances tho |
| 10:40.35 | agi | achipa: nope, the have volatile for that |
| 10:40.45 | noobmonk3y | :( hmmm i should probably make healthcheck values copyable ;) |
| 10:40.54 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: i can buy you some tap water ;) |
| 10:41.05 | agi | achipa: lenny-updates is for secutiry and important fixes, no new versions |
| 10:41.06 | lcuk | is it cooled? |
| 10:41.13 | achipa | agi: volatile schmolatile, the point is they're late :) |
| 10:41.16 | frals | noobmonk3y: had to restort to using my brain to memorise it.. :) |
| 10:41.17 | noobmonk3y | well, i may be able to strecth to one ice cube ;) |
| 10:41.22 | noobmonk3y | awwwwwww |
| 10:41.34 | noobmonk3y | frals: dont waste too much brain space... hard to come by ;) |
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| 10:41.53 | frals | noobmonk3y: exactly my point! :D |
| 10:41.55 | achipa | agi: also, technically it IS a security fix |
| 10:42.03 | noobmonk3y | i remembered something this morning... but the problem was i remembered something else just after and forgot the first thing..... ;) - i need overclocking |
| 10:42.33 | noobmonk3y | thankfully my warranty has long since expired ;) lol |
| 10:42.44 | frals | you need bigger cache as accesstime to your memory sounds awful ;) |
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| 10:43.01 | noobmonk3y | hahaha |
| 10:43.28 | frals | (just completed assignment on cache memories :P) |
| 10:43.46 | noobmonk3y | frals.... it doesnt matter, i can send mms's my life is complete......... the irony of me having an n900 is that.... initially i said i needed a new phone, and my first thought was, it needs mms .... lol... as i had never used it before, not because i actually needed it ;) |
| 10:43.48 | lcuk | memory leak |
| 10:44.04 | agi | achipa: not IMHO. is a new release, it's not fixing a security bug. And it's more of a uptream caprice than anything |
| 10:44.45 | frals | lol noobmonk3y |
| 10:45.36 | lcuk | lights a big cigar |
| 10:45.50 | noobmonk3y | lights a small cigarette and feels a bit insecure |
| 10:46.05 | nid0 | puffs on a fat joint |
| 10:46.36 | achipa | agi: yes, well, grey area, whether inability to provide updates is (not) a security bug. It's just that the 'fix' never got backported. As for caprice, well, I guess so, but doesn't help neither clamav nor Debian to ship outdated stuff and create a false sense of security |
| 10:46.38 | frals | throws the smokers out.. no smoking during workhours. tis the law |
| 10:46.49 | nid0 | works in his own house, what law? |
| 10:47.09 | noobmonk3y | looks at frals... no smoking on work property during work time, nothing stopping me standing out on the street ;) |
| 10:47.22 | noobmonk3y | nid0: - you are above the law, remember that ;) |
| 10:47.28 | nid0 | quite right :D |
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| 10:47.42 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, on the other hand is a little sideways of the law ;) |
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| 10:47.54 | noobmonk3y | and frals, is the law... lol |
| 10:48.23 | achipa | always thought people who held beer in one hand (inside the pub) and a cigarette in the other (outside the pub) looked funny |
| 10:48.34 | Shapeshifter | I really like the sharing framework on the n900. Although what I really need is missing, the concept itself is nice. |
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| 10:48.44 | Shapeshifter | with all the backgrounding |
| 10:48.49 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, nid0 might be in a permissive country |
| 10:48.50 | frals | lol achipa |
| 10:48.59 | nid0 | << norfolk |
| 10:49.10 | Shapeshifter | this is really nice. |
| 10:49.12 | noobmonk3y | lol - you need a passport to get out of norfolk i hear ;) |
| 10:49.25 | nid0 | theres a fence all the way round it :( |
| 10:49.25 | noobmonk3y | very similar to wales and coventry ;) hehe |
| 10:49.38 | nid0 | keeping the riff-raff out. |
| 10:49.47 | noobmonk3y | lol nido thats what we want you to think ;) |
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| 10:50.47 | achipa | We're permissive here. Friends coming here ofter wonder how 'only' 50% of the population is smoking, especially considering the price of cigarettes |
| 10:50.51 | noobmonk3y | allthough with leicesters ring road.... also similar there, miss one turning and you are on one big ass roundabout |
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| 10:51.14 | noobmonk3y | achipa: how much for a pack of ciggies there? |
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| 10:51.43 | noobmonk3y | £6.20+ per pack here :( well if you smoke a half decent brand........ |
| 10:53.20 | nid0 | blah, freeciv promoted to -testing finally, but broken |
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| 10:53.35 | achipa | noobmonk3y: we start at 0.6-0.7 euros per pack for local brands |
| 10:53.35 | frals | i love when it takes an hour and 10mins instead of 40min to get home... >< |
| 10:53.53 | achipa | are we dirt cheap or what ? |
| 10:54.34 | achipa | noobmonk3y: Marlboro and similar are about 1.3 euros per pack... |
| 10:56.45 | noobmonk3y | wow, i need to come over there! |
| 10:57.07 | Stskeeps | achipa: what country were you in again? |
| 10:57.10 | noobmonk3y | will give you $2 euros a pack to post em, hehehe |
| 10:57.12 | nid0 | how much dyou reckon you can persuade customs is "personal use" when you come back? |
| 10:57.23 | achipa | Stskeeps: Serbia |
| 10:57.55 | Stskeeps | achipa: ah |
| 10:58.08 | achipa | Stskeeps: that explains it, eh ? ;) |
| 10:58.22 | Stskeeps | achipa: eastern european countries are typically cheap in that area :P |
| 10:59.26 | achipa | ditto for booze :) |
| 10:59.44 | Stskeeps | is fairly happy to live in poland in that regard |
| 10:59.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:00.01 | Shapeshifter | smoke stinks |
| 11:00.31 | ccooke | Shapeshifter: cigarettes stink. *tobacco* smells wonderful. (And I have never been a smoker ;-) |
| 11:00.32 | achipa | nid0: I know you can take 2 packs into Hungary, but not sure if that's a local law or EU-wide |
| 11:00.44 | Shapeshifter | ccooke: agreed |
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| 11:01.13 | noobmonk3y | eu-wide is "personal consumption limit" |
| 11:01.16 | ccooke | (I never understood how smoking could have started... until I met a pipe smoker) |
| 11:01.19 | nid0 | heh thatll be local, in the uk you can generally get away with several bags full, as long as you're careful to tell them its for personal use |
| 11:01.30 | nid0 | its when you start taking truckloads in theyll get suspicious |
| 11:01.30 | noobmonk3y | brought 4000*2 back from spain last year |
| 11:01.37 | noobmonk3y | (with the gf) |
| 11:02.28 | noobmonk3y | but yeah Uk, it depends what minute of what day and what the weather is to how they react |
| 11:02.36 | achipa | noobmonk3y: whoa, I just hope you don't plan to use all that up yourself :) |
| 11:02.43 | noobmonk3y | already has ;) |
| 11:03.01 | noobmonk3y | only 200 packs of ciggies lol |
| 11:03.03 | noobmonk3y | each |
| 11:03.21 | Zeddy | http://gizmodo.com/tag/diy-processor/ |
| 11:03.22 | Zeddy | mmm |
| 11:03.25 | Zeddy | oups |
| 11:03.26 | noobmonk3y | right off for lunchies |
| 11:03.34 | achipa | noobmonk3y: ah... thought 4000 *packs* |
| 11:03.38 | nid0 | we need another testing marathon. |
| 11:03.41 | noobmonk3y | lol!!! |
| 11:03.52 | noobmonk3y | nid0: we need maemo branded cigarettes lol |
| 11:03.59 | achipa | that would be a killer concentration, eh ? :) |
| 11:04.16 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 11:04.17 | Zeddy | stop smoking |
| 11:04.23 | noobmonk3y | Zeddy: Start smoking....... |
| 11:04.32 | Zeddy | i stopped 7 months ago |
| 11:04.47 | noobmonk3y | so did i :( - but only for about 45 minutes, was horrible |
| 11:04.48 | Zeddy | its a dying hobby |
| 11:04.52 | Zeddy | haha |
| 11:06.49 | achipa | nid0: we need a fixed autobuilder, THEN we can really start testing again |
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| 11:07.08 | achipa | (technically that has already happened, let's just hope there is no fallout :) ) |
| 11:07.09 | X-Fade | achipa: We have a fixed autobuilder now ;) |
| 11:07.30 | nid0 | well, thats debatable. packages thatre bust havent been getting promoted out of devel in the first place |
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| 11:07.43 | nid0 | all the stuff thats been sitting untested in -testing is working fine |
| 11:07.58 | jacekowski | X-Fade: so how to send something for 1.2 and how for 1.1? |
| 11:08.00 | nid0 | except freeciv :< |
| 11:08.05 | achipa | X-Fade: heh, just said that :) |
| 11:08.06 | lcuk | X-Fade, :) |
| 11:08.12 | lcuk | jacekowski, you dont |
| 11:08.15 | achipa | jacekowski: you don't |
| 11:08.16 | lcuk | you submit to the builder |
| 11:08.17 | achipa | :) |
| 11:08.17 | lcuk | and it knows |
| 11:08.44 | X-Fade | jacekowski: when you use a PR1.2 feature it sets PR1.2 dependency. |
| 11:08.52 | lcuk | X-Fade, http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/12275295376 |
| 11:08.57 | X-Fade | If you don't it will default to the lowest possible dependency. |
| 11:11.33 | ccooke | (Damn it, whenever I see the name "Meego", my brain starts playing this at me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsOIYYedV8 ) |
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| 11:15.19 | lcuk | follows hrw from http://twitter.com/lcuk |
| 11:15.34 | lcuk | its follow friday! who else needs stalking/following |
| 11:16.04 | hrw|gone | needs ipv6_available() informations |
| 11:16.14 | hrw | and also need food so bb in few |
| 11:16.21 | lcuk | hrw, at fosdem there were folks talking about wanting ip6 |
| 11:16.30 | hrw | some app here uses ipv6_available() and fails to link |
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| 11:17.34 | achipa | X-Fade: so now binary stuff is okay, but we're supposed to hund down users of bindings 'manually', right ? |
| 11:17.46 | achipa | s/hund/hunt/ |
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| 11:18.27 | MohammadAG | Morning everyone |
| 11:18.34 | lcuk | morning MohammadAG |
| 11:18.39 | lcuk | and tekojo \o |
| 11:18.59 | tekojo | \o/ |
| 11:19.06 | jacekowski | ( my joggler is almost delivered ) |
| 11:19.10 | MohammadAG | is having a weird weird problem |
| 11:19.15 | jacekowski | if i can get it out of dhl |
| 11:19.23 | MohammadAG | Says device storage is full |
| 11:20.21 | MohammadAG | (no it's not full lol) |
| 11:20.37 | lcuk | MohammadAG, pastebin df |
| 11:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | and pastebin mount ;-P |
| 11:22.43 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/36C6wWGJ |
| 11:23.48 | lcuk | MohammadAG, you filled up /home |
| 11:23.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/Wfdf6xeF |
| 11:23.50 | nid0 | /home looks pretty full |
| 11:24.03 | MohammadAG | didn't check that |
| 11:24.37 | MohammadAG | it's prolly full of xchat logs :P |
| 11:25.17 | X-Fade | Hmm all these people forgetting qmake as Build-Depends. |
| 11:26.11 | X-Fade | I wonder how we can explain that better. And especially where. |
| 11:26.50 | lcuk | X-Fade, do people generally make their own debian packages with qt |
| 11:27.05 | lcuk | ie, should the qmake depend be something automatic from qt side |
| 11:27.11 | X-Fade | lcuk: Yes, but they just do apt-get install qmake once. |
| 11:27.12 | lcuk | or is this for people who use pyqt |
| 11:27.15 | MohammadAG | wow, chromium's cache is about 80MBs |
| 11:27.15 | X-Fade | So then they have qmake. |
| 11:27.29 | lcuk | yes, but what makes the package for them |
| 11:27.37 | lcuk | are qt people still hand building them |
| 11:27.42 | lcuk | or does qt itself generate that lot |
| 11:27.45 | lcuk | madde |
| 11:27.47 | MohammadAG | dpkg-buildpackage afaik |
| 11:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | mooos and checks accesslist |
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| 11:28.01 | MohammadAG | pypackager for pyQt |
| 11:28.15 | MohammadAG | qmake and make for Qt |
| 11:28.30 | MohammadAG | at least that's how facebrick works |
| 11:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~trout qmake |
| 11:29.32 | infobot | ACTION slaps qmake around a bit with a large trout! |
| 11:31.21 | larsivi | did run_standalone.sh disappear? |
| 11:31.36 | MohammadAG | other than awk, is there a way to remove something from output? |
| 11:31.43 | MohammadAG | larsivi, it's - not _ |
| 11:31.49 | MohammadAG | run-standalone.sh |
| 11:33.20 | Jaffa | lcuk: A lot of Qt apps might be being packaged by Qt Creater/MADDE |
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| 11:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: grep -v ? |
| 11:34.08 | larsivi | MohammadAG: eh, seems like bash broke somehow |
| 11:34.24 | lcuk | Jaffa, of course, i dont know how a package is actually defined in qt |
| 11:34.43 | Jaffa | lcuk: me neither |
| 11:35.10 | lcuk | w00t_, noobmonk3y you both have qt apps from different angles, how do you go from code to a debian package and was it an automatic process |
| 11:35.17 | lcuk | or did you have to use the debian toolings |
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| 11:36.24 | Treibholz | http://tmp.uxix.de/Screenshot-20100416-131106.png |
| 11:36.28 | MohammadAG | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 11:36.37 | Treibholz | Ctrl+Shift+O |
| 11:36.39 | MohammadAG | i should read some man-s |
| 11:36.48 | Treibholz | is that meant as a joke? |
| 11:36.53 | w00t_ | lcuk: myself and MohammadAG hacked up the Qt example packaging until it did (most of) my bidding |
| 11:37.20 | MohammadAG | lcuk, may I answer that? |
| 11:37.22 | w00t_ | lcuk: what Jaffa says is pretty correct though, for simple apps, MADDE makes it a lot easier |
| 11:37.58 | lcuk | anyone can, its just to see whether anything in the toolchain needs to be added to ensure qmake is added as a build dependency |
| 11:38.12 | MohammadAG | lcuk, noobmonk3y uses pypackager |
| 11:38.14 | lcuk | based on X-Fade's observation |
| 11:38.18 | w00t_ | no |
| 11:38.28 | w00t_ | well, yes |
| 11:38.40 | w00t_ | (I'm being decisive today, eh?) |
| 11:38.53 | lcuk | MohammadAG, im guessing pypackager doesnt need qmake because the python apps dont use it |
| 11:38.58 | w00t_ | yup |
| 11:39.01 | lcuk | human |
| 11:39.09 | MohammadAG | w00t_, calls the qmake in rules |
| 11:39.25 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 11:39.28 | rmrfchik | can't get sdlquake works with russian keybd layout :( |
| 11:40.33 | MohammadAG | lcuk, nope, it only puts the .py (and the other code stuff) into a tar.gz with the normal .dsc and .changes files |
| 11:40.33 | MohammadAG | there isn't even a makefile |
| 11:40.33 | MohammadAG | ~ping |
| 11:40.34 | infobot | ~pong |
| 11:41.06 | jacekowski | i think i "fixed" that capslock issue in chrome |
| 11:41.06 | lcuk | yeah MohammadAG i know its very minimal with no boiler plate :) |
| 11:41.11 | jacekowski | well, worked around it |
| 11:41.12 | lcuk | likes that aspect of py |
| 11:41.17 | MohammadAG | a minute lag |
| 11:41.22 | MohammadAG | 1* |
| 11:41.31 | lcuk | jacekowski, what was caps issue |
| 11:41.36 | lcuk | and does it also effect numeric entry |
| 11:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on N900? |
| 11:41.54 | lcuk | ie, you are bypassing hildon input method / gtk key routines |
| 11:42.06 | lcuk | because if so, every framework has had to do it |
| 11:42.09 | MohammadAG | lol lcuk |
| 11:42.18 | MohammadAG | meh, tracker's indexes got corrupt |
| 11:42.22 | lcuk | gtk qt liqbase sdl edje |
| 11:42.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, me? yeah |
| 11:42.54 | MohammadAG | (oh and building python programs doesn't even need a PC) |
| 11:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so expect occasional lags |
| 11:43.10 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, psm? |
| 11:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 11:44.04 | MohammadAG | power saver |
| 11:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I guess it's to save power |
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| 11:46.12 | Treibholz | is your n900 getting slower over the uptime, too? |
| 11:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | never noticed on mine, but seems a commonly observed issue |
| 11:47.23 | lcuk | looks puzzled |
| 11:47.35 | lcuk | anyone seen my shoe? |
| 11:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | I ate it |
| 11:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | was tasty |
| 11:48.10 | lcuk | mmmm toe cheese |
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| 11:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~scramble lcuk |
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| 11:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | or was it |
| 11:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~scramble luck |
| 11:52.26 | noobmonk3y | is back from lunch |
| 11:52.28 | noobmonk3y | what did i miss? |
| 11:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | PR1.6 |
| 11:53.02 | MohammadAG | ~curse tracker |
| 11:53.03 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tracker ! |
| 11:53.03 | d14 | :))) |
| 11:53.07 | noobmonk3y | sweeeeeeeeeeeet |
| 11:53.34 | noobmonk3y | ~overclock MohammadAG |
| 11:53.35 | infobot | ACTION overclocks MohammadAG until MohammadAG burns out! |
| 11:55.09 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 11:55.18 | crashanddie | heh, nice way to spam lcuk |
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| 11:55.56 | MohammadAG | wonders who added the ~overclock |
| 11:55.58 | hrw | re |
| 11:56.12 | write_erase | Hi ... I just bought a used N900. How can I reset it (full reset) . Thx |
| 11:56.13 | crashanddie | ~factinfo overclock |
| 11:56.13 | infobot | overclock -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. |
| 11:56.21 | hrw | write_erase: just reflash it |
| 11:56.37 | crashanddie | ~listkeys overclock |
| 11:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal overclock |
| 11:56.48 | infobot | "overclock" is "<REPLY> I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm." |
| 11:56.54 | write_erase | hrw, flashing RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? will remove everything ? |
| 11:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal overclock xx |
| 11:57.08 | infobot | ACTION overclocks xx until xx burns out! |
| 11:57.08 | nid0 | yes |
| 11:57.56 | noobmonk3y | write - yup :D |
| 11:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | write_erase: yes |
| 11:58.07 | noobmonk3y | ~Underclock DocScrutinizer |
| 11:58.16 | noobmonk3y | lol ;) - i confuzzled infobot |
| 11:58.49 | write_erase | Ok .. Thx . I'm in France... is that "Global release" or "Middle East and North Africa release" ? not sure |
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| 11:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | use 'global' |
| 11:59.48 | noobmonk3y | lol!!! - http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sd4aOA0Ur-I/S0pCLseeaPI/AAAAAAAAJfg/6jg-YHKaec8/s1600-h/YRoqC-776238%5B5%5D.jpg |
| 11:59.55 | write_erase | fine . Thx |
| 11:59.57 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 11:59.58 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:00.04 | noobmonk3y | ~flasher |
| 12:00.05 | infobot | [flasher] http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 12:00.21 | noobmonk3y | i dont beleive infobot |
| 12:00.21 | noobmonk3y | i'm sure there is another meaning for flasher |
| 12:00.32 | noobmonk3y | ~Icecream |
| 12:00.33 | infobot | well, icecream is the greatest food in the world, along with a distributed compiler, that distributes not only its compile work, but also the tools as a chrootable tar. |
| 12:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell noobmonk3y about /query |
| 12:01.30 | hrw | ;D |
| 12:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell noobmonk3y about icecream |
| 12:01.35 | noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 12:01.49 | noobmonk3y | seems like fail on toast to me |
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| 12:04.08 | noobmonk3y | docscrutinizer wants you to know: i heard icecream is the greatest food in the world, along with a distributed compiler, that distributes not only its compile work, but also the tools as a chrootable tar. |
| 12:04.12 | noobmonk3y | delayed infobot! |
| 12:04.16 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 12:05.45 | crashanddie | "Hi, I have version string <abc> of my app. I deleted version <abc> from my server. I uploaded version string <abc> to the server. Logs show that version is <abc>. Is there anything wrong? |
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| 12:05.58 | crashanddie | "Yes, you're an idiot. |
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| 12:07.01 | jacekowski | blowjob and icecream in polish translate to same word |
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| 12:08.16 | crashanddie | DBA sees error ("Not enough file handles"). DBA goes to boss, and tells boss to increase handle count. Boss tells DBA to call <product> support. Support goon: "You have an outdated version, I can overnight deliver a CD with the update" DBA: "That's not fast enough" Support goon: "I can fax it" DBA: "What about our FTP" Support goon: "Yes, I can fax it to your FTP, what is the number please?" |
| 12:08.22 | crashanddie | full story at TDWTF |
| 12:09.15 | Arkenoi | oops, having decent contacts merge is WONTFIX for maemo :-/ |
| 12:09.31 | pupnik | and these people... have... JOBS |
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| 12:12.11 | crashanddie | pupnik: I can tell you of people in my company... |
| 12:12.20 | crashanddie | This chick, part of "tech pubs" |
| 12:12.50 | crashanddie | it's basically a department who's sole role is to go through technical documents that we deliver to customers, and ensure that they are up to the same standard |
| 12:13.07 | pupnik | i worked in a similar role |
| 12:13.22 | crashanddie | this means spelling, grammar, Engrish, size of screenshots, fonts, text alignment, templates, the lot |
| 12:13.27 | pupnik | oh |
| 12:13.41 | crashanddie | She has never been able to spell my name right |
| 12:14.09 | crashanddie | I asked her to review a document for customer X |
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| 12:14.44 | crashanddie | She reviewed it, left it in a worse state than I did (I'm extremely anal about templates), botched half the template, and sent it to postmaster@customer.com |
| 12:15.01 | crashanddie | WTF? |
| 12:15.21 | pupnik | nice one |
| 12:16.04 | noobmonk3y | lol i love seeing russian web pages translated by google :) |
| 12:16.21 | Arkenoi | thinks i never seen a company where postmaster mailbox actually gets read for 12 years at least |
| 12:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~scramble crashanddie |
| 12:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | like that? :-P |
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| 12:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | sends cadndrshiae to postmaster@braindead.nul |
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| 12:25.35 | tazz | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/ruby-maemo/nonne/ gives a 404 |
| 12:25.58 | hrw | 2007 == chinook? |
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| 12:26.44 | write_erase | Are there tricks to sync my N900 with ovi contacts ? |
| 12:27.17 | Arkenoi | syncevolution might work |
| 12:27.22 | tazz | ooh my bad, i landed on that 2007 page from google. While searching for maemo+ruby |
| 12:28.41 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
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| 12:30.37 | write_erase | Thx |
| 12:34.14 | ZogG | sup? |
| 12:34.37 | ZogG | feels the breath of PR1.2 in his back |
| 12:34.52 | Surfa | has anyone faced the problem that mfe for m.google.com doesn't work anymore? |
| 12:35.17 | Jaffa | ZogG: Lucky you. How? ;-) |
| 12:35.30 | Surfa | it doesn't seem to get a connection anymore |
| 12:35.33 | Jaffa | Surfa: There are very few people for whom it works reliably. Use a free Nuevasync account as a proxy. |
| 12:35.38 | Surfa | independently on the access connectivity |
| 12:36.06 | Surfa | hmh, it worked very well for a month or two.. :) |
| 12:36.18 | Surfa | now it hasn't been working for two days at all |
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| 12:36.48 | Arkenoi | uses nuevasync. it sucks anyways. |
| 12:38.02 | ZogG | Jaffa i just feel it |
| 12:38.19 | Khertan_Home | Surfa, sometime it s work sometimes it doesn't |
| 12:39.22 | RST38h | moo Arkenoi |
| 12:40.25 | Surfa | Khertan_Home, ok, so is it google or n900 related problem? |
| 12:40.32 | wazd | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/500x_noflashonipad_01.jpg |
| 12:40.42 | wazd | epic :D |
| 12:41.43 | Khertan_Home | Surfa, n900 |
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| 12:42.09 | Arkenoi | moo |
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| 12:43.25 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, does your screen still crackle? |
| 12:43.59 | noobmonk3y | erm, good point, not in the last week or two |
| 12:44.04 | noobmonk3y | looks like it really was temperature |
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| 12:45.02 | Surfa | Khertan_Home, hmh, ok |
| 12:45.27 | Khertan_Home | Surfa, this is the same when trying to send email |
| 12:45.33 | Khertan_Home | sometimes it s works |
| 12:45.47 | Khertan_Home | sometimes it s doesn't during 3, 4 or 5 days |
| 12:46.05 | Khertan_Home | but ... at the same time ... i didn't got any problem with other device on the same account |
| 12:46.55 | nid0 | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sd4aOA0Ur-I/S0pCLseeaPI/AAAAAAAAJfg/6jg-YHKaec8/s1600-h/YRoqC-776238%5B5%5D.jpg |
| 12:48.43 | pupnik | pretty goof |
| 12:48.44 | pupnik | d |
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| 12:51.01 | ZogG | old |
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| 12:51.41 | ZogG | http://500motivators.com/plog-content/thumbs/motivate/me/large/582-linux-windows-mac-choose-your-weapon.jpg |
| 12:51.44 | ZogG | that one is better |
| 12:52.16 | ZogG | and http://420.thrashbarg.net/linux_windows_mac_shawing_electric_razor_bowling_pin.jpg |
| 12:52.31 | ZogG | shawing =)))) fail |
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| 12:53.10 | thresh | who let a douchebag in the channel? |
| 12:53.23 | Wolfie | where's the trollkicker? |
| 12:53.35 | Treibholz | who needs flash? |
| 12:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | huh? who needs a kick? |
| 12:54.12 | lcuk | me, theres some nasty grime on the kitchen worktop |
| 12:54.16 | MohammadAG | me me me! |
| 12:54.18 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 12:54.33 | pronto | you you you! |
| 12:54.35 | Treibholz | flash is a disease, that needs to be cut out of the net |
| 12:54.40 | nid0 | I really could use the motivation to wash up after last night's curry |
| 12:54.41 | ZogG | thresh Wolfie hey, wht's wrong? |
| 12:54.44 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 12:54.59 | Wolfie | ZogG: your flamboyant trolling |
| 12:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | so, what's up now? |
| 12:55.03 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, they meant me |
| 12:55.14 | ZogG | Wolfie, you are boring |
| 12:55.28 | ZogG | and there is trolling to say others are trolling |
| 12:55.28 | Wolfie | that might be, but it's also irrelevant |
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| 12:55.57 | ZogG | just chill out and if you don't like something - just ignore - ok? |
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| 12:56.14 | thresh | ZogG: you pasting stupid links here |
| 12:56.31 | ZogG | if you read log - you'll understand |
| 12:56.37 | ZogG | it was responce |
| 12:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG seemed to answer nid0 |
| 12:56.56 | ZogG | i hate those guys who play srs |
| 12:56.56 | hrw | and forgot to add his nick ;( |
| 12:57.04 | ZogG | but they don't understand what's going on |
| 12:57.10 | ZogG | just learn to talk on IRC |
| 12:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | so stop it now, gentlemen |
| 12:57.32 | ccooke | Hmm. There aren't really enough libs in the repositories to build sensible ruby n900 apps, are there? |
| 12:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | a non-issue |
| 12:57.41 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, if you don't end up kicking anyone kick me, don't want that /cs op to go to waste :P |
| 12:57.53 | Termana | All your base is belong to DocScrutinizer |
| 12:58.03 | Termana | Except mine, because he can't see what I say |
| 12:58.06 | ZogG | you can kick me so MohammadAG will be relaxed =) |
| 12:58.06 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 12:58.14 | MohammadAG | aww |
| 12:58.23 | Termana | So, I guess all my base is belong to crashanddie |
| 12:58.30 | MohammadAG | i had the cyberbullying authority's site open |
| 12:58.30 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 12:58.38 | Termana | MohammadAG: lol |
| 12:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: nah, somebody convinced me I mustn't keep you on my ignore list |
| 12:58.51 | parim | hwy every one, is there a way to video chat on the N810 with Skype? |
| 12:58.57 | ZogG | i'm ready to be sacrificed for all good |
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| 12:59.14 | ccooke | parim: no. Nor can anyone but skype themselves provide a means of doing so |
| 12:59.38 | ZogG | skype is going to be open source don't they |
| 12:59.42 | MohammadAG | wonders how Fring pulled it off on S60 devices |
| 12:59.46 | ZogG | they announced it like months ago |
| 12:59.51 | ZogG | but nothing changed |
| 13:00.02 | parim | cooke: does video chat work with fring? |
| 13:00.05 | ZogG | MohammadAG, magic |
| 13:00.08 | Termana | DocScrutinizer: Ah ok. Well, I'm sorry about the other day anyway, I didn't mean to be so personal and let my feelings of the topic get in the way of the discussion |
| 13:01.04 | nid0 | ZogG: what theyre working on is an open-sourced-ui client for *nix |
| 13:01.10 | nid0 | the protocol itself remains closed |
| 13:01.22 | Treibholz | hmm, where are the contacts stored? |
| 13:01.22 | ccooke | MohammadAG: IIRC they did a deal with skype |
| 13:01.22 | ZogG | but is there api or something? |
| 13:01.41 | ccooke | parim: pass, never tried fring |
| 13:01.52 | parim | thanks ccooke |
| 13:02.06 | ZogG | cause you can make your client to use protocol and than you can get video or what ever for maemo |
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| 13:02.29 | ZogG | i don't know what is fring |
| 13:02.34 | ZogG | i mean i saw the screenies |
| 13:02.39 | ZogG | never tried it |
| 13:02.49 | ZogG | it's useless for me - cause no friends use it |
| 13:02.56 | ZogG | or it can use other protocols? |
| 13:03.01 | Treibholz | .osso-abook/db ... eeeejjkk BerkeleyDB! |
| 13:03.22 | nid0 | fring supports basically everything |
| 13:03.50 | ZogG | oh |
| 13:04.00 | ZogG | does maemo5 have it |
| 13:04.06 | ZogG | i think i saw it on ovi |
| 13:04.12 | ZogG | lamovi =) |
| 13:04.15 | parim | ZogG: fing supports SKype, MSN, gtalk, yahoo, icq, aim, sip, xmpp |
| 13:04.21 | hrw | nid0: but what for fring can be used what is not in contacts already (when plugins installed) |
| 13:04.36 | hrw | parim: I have those already without fring |
| 13:04.38 | ZogG | anyway pidign is enuf |
| 13:04.47 | hrw | but I use only jabber/icq/skype |
| 13:04.49 | nid0 | hrw: for me nothing, I was just telling ZogG what it does. |
| 13:05.08 | nid0 | personally though ill switch immediately to any mobile msn client that finally brings multi location signin |
| 13:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: k, accepted |
| 13:05.23 | ZogG | i need videocalls on maemo and intagrated with contacts (with other protocols than phone also) so i wouldn't use other app |
| 13:05.27 | ccooke | (hmm. Maybe ruby daemons and python for the UI would work...) |
| 13:05.35 | tazz | Hello i seemed to have messed up my repository config for my nokia n900. I tried adding maemo extras-devel repository manually via vim |
| 13:05.43 | parim | hrw: i was just answeing a ZogG`s question |
| 13:06.33 | hrw | ZogG: if you want video calls then maemo is wrong choice |
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| 13:06.38 | tazz | any way for me to restore my repository settings? |
| 13:06.40 | ZogG | parasight, nid0 don't fight guys, i love you both same |
| 13:06.51 | ZogG | hrw, it's not that i need |
| 13:06.54 | hrw | ZogG: maemo5 will rather never get video calls |
| 13:06.56 | ZogG | there is a difference |
| 13:06.58 | ZogG | i want |
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| 13:07.10 | ZogG | i hardly used them on old phone btw |
| 13:07.32 | ZogG | but it would be nice to have camsex on maemo =) |
| 13:07.45 | ZogG | hrw, you can't be sure |
| 13:08.08 | ZogG | as well i think meego will be ported to n900 and maybe it would have it |
| 13:08.40 | mikki-kun | i heard somewhere that meego will be ported to the n900 towards the end of this year |
| 13:08.58 | mikki-kun | *looking* |
| 13:09.06 | ZogG | yes i read it |
| 13:09.11 | ZogG | but it's not like that |
| 13:09.17 | hrw | ZogG: when meego will reach usable state on n900 I will use other phone |
| 13:09.23 | ZogG | the nokia's meego would be developed on n900 |
| 13:09.27 | ZogG | but it's only base |
| 13:09.38 | ZogG | not really full function os as i understand |
| 13:09.52 | ZogG | hrw i hope i wouldn't |
| 13:09.54 | parim | isnt there a dev release of meego for the n900? |
| 13:10.00 | nid0 | yes |
| 13:10.11 | hrw | ZogG: will be developed but then will be released with successor of n900 |
| 13:10.13 | Khertan_Home | just an xterm currently :) |
| 13:10.14 | ZogG | parim, if you want to have terminal and only terminal on phone |
| 13:10.21 | Khertan_Home | but the base is here |
| 13:10.24 | ZogG | hrw that's what i said |
| 13:10.43 | nid0 | n900 + development releases = definitely happening. n900 + community-ported usable meego releases = probably. n900 + fully productised and nokia-supported meego release = maybe/maybe not |
| 13:11.02 | ZogG | nid0 maybe not or not =) |
| 13:12.01 | alterego | So, I'm looking at the Qt 4.6 documentation, and for the QLineEdit there's mention of the placeholderText property, which is obviously a requirement of the UI guidelines. |
| 13:12.15 | alterego | It says "This property was introduced in Qt 4.7" |
| 13:12.38 | alterego | And low and behold, it's not in my dev libararies :( |
| 13:12.41 | ZogG | alterego, oh |
| 13:12.53 | ZogG | are you the one from altergeo.ru? |
| 13:13.01 | alterego | ZogG: nope |
| 13:13.06 | ZogG | or something like that |
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| 15:19.17 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 15:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 15:19.27 | infobot | ~pong |
| 15:19.34 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 15:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo |
| 15:20.11 | infobot | I'm on 43 channels: #debian/965, #maemo/556, #asterisk/252, #wowace/163, #wowuidev/128, #edev/60, #curseforge/49, #norganna/37, #sc2mapster/34, #/26, #openezx/25, #openjtag/24, #brlcad/24, ##kierra/23, ##essy/18, #waruidev/12, ##guleague/12, #arl/11, ##pxe/11, #pegasos.org/10, #debian-bots/10, ##ducleague/9, #botpark/8, #debian-france/6, #arm-netbook/4, #dub/4, ##ols/4, ##bz-inc/4, #ud/3, #linuxfund/3, #saygus/3, ##icf/3, ##bspress/3, ##t42/2, ... |
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| 15:21.03 | lcuk | almost as many as me |
| 15:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | should be >200 |
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| 15:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo |
| 15:23.00 | infobot | I'm on 63 channels: #debian/963, #maemo/559, #kde/413, #gsoc/349, #asterisk/254, #openmoko/189, #wowace/163, #wowuidev/128, #htc-linux/98, #asterisk-dev/64, #edev/60, #bzflag/55, #curseforge/49, #elinux/40, #norganna/37, #gllug/36, #sc2mapster/33, #elive/27, #/26, #openezx/25, #openjtag/24, #asterisk-bugs/24, #brlcad/24, ##kierra/23, #handhelds/23, #bzflag-chat/19, ##essy/18, #asterisk-doc/14, #debianppc/13, #waruidev/12, ##guleague/12, #flyspray/11, ... |
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| 15:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~stats |
| 15:23.12 | infobot | Since Fri Apr 16 15:05:14 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 17m 58s this session, and currently reference 116951 factoids. I'm using about 15908 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 15.56/1.78 child 0.1/0.02 |
| 15:23.51 | noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: stop chatting up infobot |
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| 15:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: stop killing infobot! |
| 15:24.13 | noobmonk3y | meh, fair point |
| 15:24.13 | frals | i heard queries/dcc chats are pretty good for checking up on bots |
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| 15:24.30 | noobmonk3y | frals: dont give him ideas.... he will marry infobot next |
| 15:24.32 | frals | also, misclicking and ending up in a "waiting for pr1.2" thread is pretty depressing |
| 15:24.50 | noobmonk3y | frals: just wait until the waiting for meego 1.0 or 1.1 thread......... :| |
| 15:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | frals: you bet I got a query open to infobot all times |
| 15:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | the ~chat here was to demonstrate it's up since short time, and currently rejoining channels |
| 15:26.11 | noobmonk3y | is gonna go and enjoy the weekend |
| 15:26.31 | frals | noobmonk3y: bastard! |
| 15:26.37 | lcuk | that sounds like a nice idea noobmonk3y |
| 15:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | the first good idea you got since errr.. anyway will do same |
| 15:26.40 | noobmonk3y | interesting that meego.com was down for the same amount of time and at the same time as meamo.org :P |
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| 15:26.46 | lcuk | i have to take eldest and his mates to a concert later |
| 15:26.53 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: what concert? :D |
| 15:26.54 | frals | gah, need to get up and get my other charger, battery low on both devices :< |
| 15:26.55 | lcuk | so i cant start drinking till muuuuuuuuuuuuch more |
| 15:27.08 | lcuk | sunno hes got backstage pass tho |
| 15:27.10 | lcuk | dunno |
| 15:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: and infobot |
| 15:27.11 | noobmonk3y | cool! |
| 15:27.22 | lcuk | yeah they are well excited |
| 15:27.22 | noobmonk3y | ooo its a threesome |
| 15:27.48 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 15:27.50 | noobmonk3y | [16:27] <noobmonk3y> ooo its a threesome [16:27] <lcuk> yeah they are well excited |
| 15:27.55 | frals | lol |
| 15:27.58 | lcuk | lol |
| 15:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: and netsplit here on freenode |
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| 15:29.09 | noobmonk3y | ~seen arif_ |
| 15:29.10 | infobot | arif_ <Arif@95.168.163.235> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 3h 34m 2s ago, saying: 'they're not exactly the same are they?'. |
| 15:29.19 | noobmonk3y | wow..... long time no spam! |
| 15:29.31 | noobmonk3y | ~seen Qwerty12 |
| 15:29.32 | infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 133d 21h 5m 33s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. |
| 15:29.41 | lcuk | ~seen jott |
| 15:29.42 | infobot | jott <n=j@unaffiliated/jott> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 553d 14m 44s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 15:29.58 | noobmonk3y | lol!!! |
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| 15:30.09 | noobmonk3y | who be jott? :| |
| 15:30.13 | lcuk | god |
| 15:30.16 | opdf2 | update file corrupted! maybe PR 1.2 is here lol |
| 15:30.20 | noobmonk3y | fairynuff |
| 15:30.22 | lcuk | :) excremely talented hacker |
| 15:30.23 | Khertan | opdf2, no |
| 15:30.27 | lcuk | extremely |
| 15:30.29 | noobmonk3y | opdf2: - naaa just HAM wind |
| 15:30.40 | FIQ | new 32GB microSDHC cards are being made atm |
| 15:30.43 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: hacked himself into invisibility? |
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| 15:30.45 | FIQ | would they work on N900? |
| 15:30.54 | noobmonk3y | FIQ: should do |
| 15:30.58 | FIQ | ah |
| 15:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: (Arif_) he's online, but not in #maemo. Probably he's thru with shouting and playing fun at him |
| 15:31.09 | noobmonk3y | awwwwwwwww |
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| 15:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: s/made/sold/ |
| 15:33.38 | BCMM | am i missing something, or is it impossible to open multiple PDFs? |
| 15:35.52 | frals | guys quick licensing question |
| 15:36.04 | frals | its ok to distribute my GPL code along with LGPL code right? |
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| 15:37.16 | lcuk | frals, ? you mean use a piece/component which is currently lgpl within/attached to your gpl app |
| 15:37.22 | frals | yeah |
| 15:37.37 | frals | or do i need to convert to lgpl? |
| 15:37.44 | lcuk | is it the whole component |
| 15:37.52 | lcuk | or are you wanting to just rape a function out of it |
| 15:38.03 | frals | its pretty much the whole component |
| 15:38.07 | frals | slightly modified but yeah |
| 15:38.22 | frals | ie the mms library im using is lgpl'd |
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| 15:38.38 | BCMM | am i missing something, or is it impossible to open multiple PDFs? |
| 15:38.43 | frals | so trying to figure out if im breaking the license or not |
| 15:39.05 | lcuk | BCMM, i dont tihnk you can open multiple in the default app |
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| 15:39.27 | lcuk | frals, are you going to be "adopting" this lgpl library into your codebase |
| 15:39.34 | lcuk | and keeping it as a library |
| 15:39.41 | BCMM | there are alternatives, aren't there? |
| 15:39.41 | lcuk | or are you wanting to cherry pick bits from within |
| 15:39.50 | frals | im keeping it as a library |
| 15:39.54 | lcuk | BCMM, i dunno, pdf is somewhat evil |
| 15:40.04 | lcuk | then its a normal lgpl thing |
| 15:40.09 | lcuk | source compliance etc |
| 15:40.19 | BCMM | the format or the maemo program? |
| 15:41.00 | lcuk | BCMM, format is just ugly, but standard - its mostly the players on other platforms i have problem with |
| 15:41.02 | frals | lcuk: so it should be no probs since im distributing the complete source code to everything right? |
| 15:41.28 | lcuk | frals, as far as you have explained, creating a modified version of the library is ok - the ultimate best |
| 15:41.34 | BCMM | hated pdfs till i used okular |
| 15:41.35 | lcuk | would be to push your modifications upstream |
| 15:41.57 | frals | well i cant get a hold of upstream, email bounces as its a 3yr old lib |
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| 15:42.03 | lcuk | wonders where he got nokia pen from |
| 15:42.08 | BCMM | can evince autoreload changed files? |
| 15:42.20 | frals | and my mods are mostly fmms specific anyway :P |
| 15:42.21 | lcuk | dunno bcmm, change one and test |
| 15:42.36 | paul_____ | quick question, this qwbasite requires the following installed add on microsoft visual c++ 2005 sp1, is that avaliable for our phones? |
| 15:42.40 | lcuk | frals, then fork the library to prevent confusion |
| 15:42.45 | BCMM | (i'm writing LaTeX) |
| 15:42.46 | lcuk | keep its license the same |
| 15:43.09 | paul_____ | fmms has anyone got that working as it doesn't like my apn settings on t-mobile uk :( |
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| 15:43.23 | lcuk | paul_____, you are in luck! |
| 15:43.31 | paul_____ | ? |
| 15:43.36 | frals | paul_____: yes, quite a few have got it working ;-) |
| 15:43.50 | paul_____ | any special hacks to make it work then or am i just silly? |
| 15:43.54 | lcuk | paul_____, theres someone here who might be able to help |
| 15:43.56 | frals | what does the log say? |
| 15:43.58 | paul_____ | lcuk, you just finished writing it? |
| 15:44.12 | lcuk | not me |
| 15:44.18 | lcuk | hasnt touched anything of fmms |
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| 15:44.32 | frals | is glad lcuk hasnt touched fmms |
| 15:44.40 | frals | it be full of insane c code everywhere! |
| 15:44.50 | lcuk | "insane" |
| 15:44.50 | lcuk | :| |
| 15:45.00 | frals | in a good way, obviously! |
| 15:45.11 | lcuk | i am perfectly capable of writing insane python code too you know |
| 15:45.15 | lcuk | errr logical python code |
| 15:45.15 | frals | :D |
| 15:45.16 | lcuk | damn you |
| 15:45.20 | paul_____ | name or serivce not known |
| 15:45.29 | paul_____ | c++ who can help me the lcuk ? |
| 15:45.56 | frals | paul_____: Run in x-terminal: cp /tmp/fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 15:46.03 | frals | and then mail me the log |
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| 15:46.47 | frals | i sent you my email in a notice |
| 15:46.59 | BCMM | how do i get evince out of fullscreen mode? |
| 15:47.01 | Khertan | oh the ubuntu 10.04 install system is really nice |
| 15:47.58 | yabba | Khertan, yes it is and lot of updates every day, but that's what you got when choosing beta :) |
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| 15:48.16 | Khertan | yabba, yep of course |
| 15:48.26 | Khertan | i'm trying the ubuntu netbook 10.04 |
| 15:48.33 | Khertan | and the installer is nice |
| 15:49.01 | BCMM | evince reloads! n900 is a surprisingly good latex environment |
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| 15:54.08 | lcuk | \o/ some flights can depart from manchester lol |
| 15:54.15 | paul_____ | oooo :D |
| 15:54.18 | lcuk | most of the country is under a bad egg cloud |
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| 15:54.23 | paul_____ | it's been nice n quiet over here |
| 15:54.33 | paul_____ | on lfight path for heathrow |
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| 15:55.08 | lcuk | yeah for some it will be eery |
| 15:55.50 | paul_____ | oh yer it is strange nothing going over but it's so nice n quiet |
| 15:55.59 | paul_____ | the ozone layer is all good |
| 15:56.15 | paul_____ | pokes frals |
| 15:56.26 | frals | yes? |
| 15:56.31 | paul_____ | see msg i sent u |
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| 16:04.59 | opdf2 | anyone use NoLazy? the n900 app for Remember the Milk? |
| 16:05.30 | opdf2 | i see the due date on no lazy is off by 1 day. But on the RTM website it is correct |
| 16:05.30 | tripzero | not i |
| 16:06.52 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, any estimate on when infobot will be back? |
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| 16:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 16:07.12 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
| 16:07.14 | nid0 | ~lart MohammadAG_ |
| 16:07.15 | infobot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, MohammadAG_!" and lops off MohammadAG_'s head |
| 16:07.25 | MohammadAG_ | errordeveloper, why doesn't it have voice.. |
| 16:07.31 | MohammadAG_ | I always check the top of the list |
| 16:07.38 | MohammadAG_ | WTF |
| 16:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | what for does it need voice? |
| 16:08.05 | MohammadAG_ | why does xchat keep turning on automatic nick completion :/ |
| 16:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | tbh nobody needs voice here :-P |
| 16:08.14 | MohammadAG_ | (without tab) |
| 16:08.25 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, it had voice so.. :) |
| 16:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: (xchat nick completion) you're sure that's not word completion of hildon input method? |
| 16:09.44 | MohammadAG_ | nope |
| 16:09.51 | MohammadAG_ | it's the thing in settings |
| 16:09.58 | MohammadAG_ | like if I say Doc, it autocompletes it |
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| 16:10.03 | MohammadAG_ | without tabbing |
| 16:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: never seen that |
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| 16:10.19 | MohammadAG_ | Input box DocScrutinizer |
| 16:10.28 | MohammadAG_ | turn it on, type Moha, |
| 16:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | next week I hope to do that :-S |
| 16:10.58 | hrw|gone | have a nice weekend |
| 16:11.28 | MohammadAG_ | <MohammadAG_> error dev eloper, why doesn't it have voice.. <-- resulting in embarrassing pings |
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| 16:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 16:12.54 | MohammadAG_ | ? |
| 16:13.00 | MohammadAG_ | what's with the CTCPs |
| 16:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | dumbass here, you need to be more verbose |
| 16:14.28 | MohammadAG_ | ... |
| 16:14.43 | MohammadAG_ | ToJa92, why did you CTCP ping + version me? |
| 16:14.57 | ToJa92 | I was bored I guess :P |
| 16:15.30 | paul_____ | i didn't want to be left out :p |
| 16:15.52 | MohammadAG_ | waits for the third person to explain why he version'd me |
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| 16:15.58 | paul_____ | ^^^^ |
| 16:16.03 | MohammadAG_ | third |
| 16:16.10 | nid0 | my reason's pretty similar to paul_____, and a bit of ToJa92's |
| 16:16.11 | MohammadAG_ | nid0... |
| 16:16.15 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 16:16.19 | paul_____ | :) |
| 16:16.25 | paul_____ | pokes MohammadAG_ |
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| 16:16.38 | paul_____ | ooo like facebook just less words to type |
| 16:16.54 | paul_____ | or buttons to click |
| 16:17.02 | MohammadAG_ | pokes paul_____ |
| 16:17.08 | paul_____ | ouch |
| 16:17.10 | MohammadAG_ | why the ____? |
| 16:17.11 | paul_____ | broken ribbs here |
| 16:17.17 | paul_____ | just what irssi assignedme |
| 16:17.20 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 16:18.22 | MohammadAG_ | Khertan, is there any way to add a Suggests field to the control file using pypackager? |
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| 16:18.47 | MohammadAG_ | tried p.suggests='packagename' |
| 16:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | suggests /msg nickserv ghost to paul______________ |
| 16:19.00 | Khertan | MohammadAG_, currrently no :) |
| 16:19.11 | MohammadAG_ | aww |
| 16:19.18 | MohammadAG_ | untars and adds manually |
| 16:19.47 | Khertan | http://khertan.net/flyspray/index.php?project=3&do=index&switch=1 <<< but you can add your suggestion here ... |
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| 16:19.58 | Khertan | and i ll add it when i ll do a new release |
| 16:21.08 | n900-dk | w00t_: You should have 'about' in the dropdown menu in Facebrick to promote yourself (and with versionnumber) :) |
| 16:21.37 | w00t_ | n900-dk: hehe, I have thought about adding that, yes |
| 16:21.42 | w00t_ | but more important things to finish first :) |
| 16:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | I bricked my face, help PLZZ!! |
| 16:22.15 | ToJa92 | Flash it! |
| 16:22.25 | ToJa92 | Oh wait |
| 16:22.30 | ToJa92 | ... thats not possible right? |
| 16:23.51 | MohammadAG_ | Khertan, added :) |
| 16:24.10 | MohammadAG_ | ToJa92, it is, I just won't detail it |
| 16:24.12 | MohammadAG_ | :P |
| 16:24.31 | jacekowski | i have my joggler |
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| 16:26.18 | ToJa92 | Wow, TMO works again... I couldn't access it like a half-hour ago :( |
| 16:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | \o |
| 16:26.48 | slonopotamus | use google cache then :) |
| 16:27.05 | luke-jr | when did Google cache add posting capabilities? |
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| 16:27.33 | jacekowski | nobody posts on tmo |
| 16:27.35 | jacekowski | it's just bots |
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| 16:28.11 | ToJa92 | If that's the case I would say the bots are pretty advanced :P |
| 16:28.13 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: why care to post to tmo? |
| 16:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | echo "0.0.0.0 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts |
| 16:28.46 | Khertan | MohammadAG_, thx |
| 16:29.37 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 16:30.07 | slonopotamus | deletes tmo by doing wget http://talk.maemo.org/ > /dev/null |
| 16:30.09 | slonopotamus | :P |
| 16:30.29 | jacekowski | slonopotamus: have you made a backup? |
| 16:30.34 | ToJa92 | [slonopotamus]: Dosen't seem to be working... yet |
| 16:30.50 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: wget doesn't work like that |
| 16:31.06 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: meh. need to patch it then. |
| 16:31.13 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: or just use curl |
| 16:31.14 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 16:31.21 | luke-jr | even still, it'd copy, not move |
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| 16:32.56 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: cat /dev/null | <your preferred upload thing > talk.maemo.org :) |
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| 16:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | s/null/random/ |
| 16:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | suggests to poison DNS system though |
| 16:35.15 | nid0 | you dont have long, dnssec going live soon |
| 16:35.34 | slonopotamus | 'soon'? |
| 16:35.40 | nid0 | 5th may |
| 16:35.42 | MohammadAG_ | X-Fade, was the workaround applied? |
| 16:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | better it should |
| 16:35.52 | X-Fade | MohammadAG_: yes. |
| 16:35.54 | MohammadAG_ | lots of updates popped up at once |
| 16:36.40 | X-Fade | Yeah, rebuilds got imported. |
| 16:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | (DNS) see Pakistan and China rogue DNS takeovers |
| 16:36.56 | MohammadAG_ | X-Fade, thanks! |
| 16:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | err s/Pakistan/Iran/ ? |
| 16:38.27 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
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| 16:46.24 | Macer | damnit! |
| 16:46.31 | Macer | i was realigning the gears in a ps3's blue ray |
| 16:46.38 | Macer | and i pulled the rollers a little too far back |
| 16:46.47 | Macer | and didn't realize that the damn things release gears when you do that |
| 16:46.54 | Macer | and now i have no idea how it goes back together |
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| 16:47.17 | lcuk | Macer, i believe you need to say "oops" about now |
| 16:48.50 | frosty` | pretty sure there are better words than oops |
| 16:48.54 | ToJa92 | [lcuk]: He probably already did |
| 16:49.42 | frals | "Size mismatch" on rebuilt packages - something i can do or wait for repo cache to get updated? |
| 16:50.20 | slonopotamus | frals: you can curse the damn thing a couple f times |
| 16:50.40 | slonopotamus | for being nonatomic |
| 16:51.38 | slonopotamus | fails to understand why it is so hard to put deb first and only _after_ that publish package info in Packages file. |
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| 16:52.42 | Macer | lcuk: oops would be too nice of a word :) |
| 16:52.49 | Macer | i'm trying to figure out how the rollers go back together |
| 16:53.42 | slonopotamus | Macer: i'm more than sure your eula prohibits you from doing that kind of stuff. |
| 16:54.32 | Macer | doubtful |
| 16:54.32 | Macer | :) |
| 16:54.44 | Macer | slonopotamus: are the sony police going to come get me for trying to repair a drive? |
| 16:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: reflash! |
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| 16:55.18 | MohammadAG_ | Macer, at least they can be put back together :) |
| 16:55.19 | slonopotamus | Macer: surely no! no warranty in case of eula violation :) |
| 16:55.29 | MohammadAG_ | remembers his long long night when he did that |
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| 16:58.09 | SpeedEvil | http://www.millhouse.nl/eyjafjallajokull06.html - fun |
| 16:58.38 | MohammadAG_ | Macer, here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEN1kk31-zs |
| 16:59.18 | SpeedEvil | http://www.millhouse.nl/eyjafjallajokull2010.html - /me ponders desktop material. |
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| 17:01.19 | luke-jr | silly slono |
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| 17:01.40 | Macer | heh |
| 17:01.46 | PhonicUK | has anyone tried using a normal desktop like xfce on the n900? |
| 17:01.50 | Macer | this thing is over 4 years old ;) |
| 17:01.53 | Macer | it doesn't have a warranty |
| 17:02.09 | Macer | i was able to piece it back together |
| 17:02.14 | Macer | i thought i lost a plastic gear |
| 17:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | get a cutter and some old cheese |
| 17:04.31 | luke-jr | Macer: I meant his talk about EULAs |
| 17:04.40 | luke-jr | as if EULAs have any legal meaning whatsoever |
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| 17:08.35 | Appiah | PhonicUK: check out Debchroot |
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| 17:12.26 | GAN900 | Ah, Friday. |
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| 17:15.48 | rm_you | I. NEED. A. JOB. >_> |
| 17:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you noticed that by reading backscroll and pondering about silly topics? :-D |
| 17:15.57 | rm_you | alright, venting complete. heading to lunch. |
| 17:16.06 | GAN900 | rm_you, go talk to Nokia! |
| 17:16.10 | rm_you | lol |
| 17:16.30 | rm_you | Nokia is hiring people with 5-10+ years of experience in low-level programming or the like |
| 17:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: does same advice apply to me? |
| 17:16.37 | rm_you | I'm a college graduate >_< |
| 17:17.00 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, nah, I'm just happy to not have to get up a 7 AM today to ride the bus to a conference full of Linux geeks. :D |
| 17:17.05 | rm_you | really do need to go Lunch tho :P |
| 17:17.07 | GAN900 | rm_you, try! |
| 17:17.09 | rm_you | lol |
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| 17:17.21 | rm_you | I guess the worst they can do is laugh at me and reject my queries. |
| 17:17.22 | GAN900 | hears somebody in a similar situation was picked up |
| 17:17.30 | GAN900 | Contractors are an option, too. |
| 17:17.53 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, clearly you have too much experience. |
| 17:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | feels like happy as a contractor |
| 17:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: :-(( feck |
| 17:18.35 | GAN900 | mutters evil things about iPhones making data suck for the rest of us. |
| 17:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if Nokia has a policy about keeping avrg experience in their teams below a certain level |
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| 17:21.47 | GAN900 | 201.16 seconds |
| 17:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | average experience? |
| 17:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | well, then for sure I have to ponder carefully which position I might apply for |
| 17:23.01 | GAN900 | ping time |
| 17:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I should apply for Perl development - clearly no experience at all XP |
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| 17:25.45 | luke-jr | GAN900: Nokia interested in people who won't move? :P |
| 17:26.18 | GAN900 | luke-jr, depends on the position, I think |
| 17:26.25 | GAN900 | notes Texrat hasn't had a huge amount of luck there |
| 17:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | perl developers? |
| 17:26.36 | luke-jr | heh |
| 17:26.43 | GAN900 | Will have more luck with Nokia contractors for that. |
| 17:26.46 | luke-jr | not that I want a job |
| 17:26.52 | luke-jr | I just want a good product :/ |
| 17:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | does |
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| 17:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | I just want to participate in building a better product |
| 17:29.40 | a-saint | hello guys while I was updating my n900 I've been having update file corrupt for several of the packages update any idea |
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| 17:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | a-saint: retry tomorrow |
| 17:30.28 | a-saint | how come? |
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| 17:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | autobuilder changes |
| 17:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 17:30.56 | a-saint | hm ok |
| 17:31.01 | X-Fade | a-saint: We're flushing the akamai cache now will take some time. |
| 17:31.19 | a-saint | X ok thanks guys |
| 17:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: everything smooth? |
| 17:32.26 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes, only akamai cache caching debs for 2 days by default ;) |
| 17:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:32.35 | X-Fade | But we flush them out now. |
| 17:32.43 | X-Fade | Normally you would not replace debs. |
| 17:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | not a major problem |
| 17:32.49 | X-Fade | So then it is actually a good thing. |
| 17:32.56 | a-saint | while am here how do I know if am running the latest maemo update and is there a new update soon |
| 17:33.00 | X-Fade | But yeah, slight hack today :) |
| 17:33.03 | Shapeshifter | so, I was sitting down in the train and battery.charge_level.percentage from hal reported 35%. I surfed some 3G for 15 minutes and then it said 22%. I switched trains, sat down again (took me one minute) and then it reported 0%. |
| 17:33.14 | Shapeshifter | but yeah we all know the battery meter is kinda broken. |
| 17:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep, and 3G in train is kinda worst case |
| 17:33.58 | GAN900 | a-saint, update should be coming sometime in the future. |
| 17:34.08 | Shapeshifter | yeah. |
| 17:34.52 | a-saint | GAN900 near future |
| 17:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: how much experience is too much to apply for a job at Nokia? |
| 17:35.43 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Depends on where you want to be ;) |
| 17:35.43 | Shapeshifter | a-saint: within months |
| 17:36.08 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: If you apply as helpdesk guy.... |
| 17:36.53 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, talk to Texrat. |
| 17:36.53 | a-saint | Shapeshifter ok thanks |
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| 17:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'd be more interested in termal management and general low level / hw |
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| 17:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: for the helpdesk job? |
| 17:38.05 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: There are teams in Oulo, Tampere and Helsinki doing that. |
| 17:38.21 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, for jobs at Nokia. |
| 17:38.24 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: The more north you go, the more hardcore it gets, it seems ;) |
| 17:38.34 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, he's got some experience applying. ;) |
| 17:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | eeew :-/ |
| 17:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | (north) |
| 17:39.26 | X-Fade | But it is other people should know more, I'm outside the Nokia firewall. |
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| 17:45.10 | frals | anyone know how id get this http://mms.frals.se/widget.png widget in a gtk.dialog? |
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| 18:00.10 | Vanadis | haha oh wow, transitions.ini mods are great |
| 18:01.09 | nid0 | indeed |
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| 18:04.24 | mrlanrat | When booting vis bootmenu and using usb networking, where do i find the driver for my computer? |
| 18:04.27 | mrlanrat | *via |
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| 18:05.43 | wall[e] | hi, can I boot a gnu/linux pc with n900 like thumbdrive? |
| 18:06.17 | SpeedEvil | yes, in principle. |
| 18:06.22 | SpeedEvil | I've never tried it. |
| 18:06.26 | SpeedEvil | It should work though. |
| 18:06.32 | wall[e] | :) |
| 18:06.44 | wall[e] | and setting up all connection etc automatically |
| 18:06.55 | SpeedEvil | setting up all connection? |
| 18:07.03 | wall[e] | like usb networking |
| 18:07.08 | SpeedEvil | It basically functions like a thumbdrive |
| 18:07.12 | mrlanrat | so, nobody knows where i can get the networking driver to recover via bootmenu? |
| 18:07.28 | SpeedEvil | as I understand it in thumbdrive mode, it does not support usb-net |
| 18:07.37 | SpeedEvil | you'd need to do some magic to get that working |
| 18:07.41 | mrlanrat | im talking bout a n810 with bootmenu |
| 18:07.43 | SpeedEvil | which should be possible |
| 18:07.44 | wall[e] | I see |
| 18:08.05 | wall[e] | boot then eject the device may be |
| 18:08.15 | wall[e] | i don't know |
| 18:08.17 | mrlanrat | it makes the n810 act as a usb network controller so you can ssh/telnet to it to revover it |
| 18:08.33 | mrlanrat | i cant seem to find the windows driver for it anywhere.... |
| 18:09.41 | wall[e] | btw, i am thinking of a 3d like wallpaper, more like using camera mapping technique so when you tilt the phone, wallpaper will change and make it look like the background is actually in 3d |
| 18:10.08 | mrlanrat | well, the page with the driver was once here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworkingwinxp/ |
| 18:10.12 | mrlanrat | :( |
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| 18:10.45 | wall[e] | info are not in new usbnetworking wiki page? |
| 18:11.06 | mrlanrat | huh? |
| 18:11.19 | wall[e] | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 18:11.30 | wall[e] | i am sorry my link is too slow to actually open that |
| 18:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (thumbdrive?) are you talking bout tethering & usb mass storage? |
| 18:12.09 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:12.28 | mrlanrat | ok, im reading that page now. by any chance is there a windows 7 driver or xp only? |
| 18:13.07 | wall[e] | has no idea, never use windows |
| 18:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | aiui in pc network mode (select from popup menu at usb plugin) you get a standard modem or network device |
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| 18:23.12 | mrlanrat | i found a driver that works for windows 7. There was non in the wiki |
| 18:23.22 | mrlanrat | here is it if anyone wants it: http://bug.cmw.me/bugvista64.inf |
| 18:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | edit wiki, please! |
| 18:24.28 | mece | fascinating how much faster transitions are without the background blurring... |
| 18:24.41 | mrlanrat | I will |
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| 18:25.12 | mrlanrat | well, that driver makes windows recognize the device, but it gets an error code 10 (won't start) |
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| 18:28.33 | jacekowski | it's not driver that makes it recognize device |
| 18:28.38 | jacekowski | it's inf file that comes with driver |
| 18:28.50 | jacekowski | that tells windows that driver x will work with device id y |
| 18:29.29 | mrlanrat | does windows (7 x64) have the driver built in? so that an inf can tell it to use the correct built in driver? |
| 18:29.36 | jacekowski | well i'm using jacekowski.org/linux,inf |
| 18:29.45 | jacekowski | jacekowski.org/linux.inf |
| 18:29.58 | jacekowski | that came with maemo kernel sources |
| 18:30.38 | mrlanrat | ok, ill give that one a try |
| 18:31.51 | mrlanrat | nope, did not work for me |
| 18:34.15 | mrlanrat | i found another one that gives me error code 10 |
| 18:35.09 | jacekowski | well it works for me |
| 18:36.43 | RST38h | Repent, fornicators! |
| 18:36.59 | RST38h | ...and now, back to our usual programming: is PR1.2 out? =) |
| 18:37.46 | jacekowski | that's good question |
| 18:37.48 | jacekowski | is it out? |
| 18:38.00 | mrlanrat | brb, gonna reboot |
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| 18:38.25 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:52.20 | N900evil | :) |
| 18:52.33 | N900evil | thought my keyboard slide had jammed |
| 18:52.58 | N900evil | I'd put the top half of a case on upside down. |
| 18:53.11 | N900evil | and it doesn't slide that way |
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| 18:57.23 | RST38h | found Krusell lanyard/stylus in the store today |
| 18:57.34 | RST38h | a minor usability win |
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| 19:03.55 | frals | anyone know how i force a widget to use a specific style in gtk? eg i want my gtk.HBox to use the style |
| 19:03.59 | frals | 'fremantle-button-group' |
| 19:04.25 | mece | frals, |
| 19:04.44 | mece | what language? |
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| 19:04.58 | frals | python preferable, but if you show me c i can probably translate it :) |
| 19:05.13 | mece | heh. python preferred here too. Simplest :) |
| 19:05.21 | mece | err ok. did you get my tweet? |
| 19:05.21 | C-S-B-N900 | alright guys! |
| 19:06.04 | frals | just saw it, gonna have a look |
| 19:06.27 | mece | homogeneous TRUE and spacing 0 should do it. This is a pretty nice document: http://sw.nokia.com/id/a3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf |
| 19:06.54 | mece | frals, page 50 has the toggle buttons |
| 19:06.55 | MohammadAG_ | yay a youtube vid on how to overclock the N900 |
| 19:07.01 | mece | LOL |
| 19:07.03 | MohammadAG_ | and still no vid to show how to flash the device |
| 19:07.08 | mece | heee |
| 19:07.15 | frals | mece: thanks |
| 19:07.19 | mece | well, at least flashing is super easy :) |
| 19:08.07 | MohammadAG_ | mece, flashing helps, overclocking kills |
| 19:08.16 | MohammadAG_ | both are essentially the same (they need flashing) |
| 19:08.48 | mece | meh. |
| 19:08.59 | MohammadAG_ | 37 second boot video |
| 19:09.12 | MohammadAG_ | seriously, who wants to add more boot time to their N900 |
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| 19:09.22 | frals | mece: thanks, seems to be working.. was using hildon_gtk_radio_button_new :P |
| 19:09.29 | mece | cool :D |
| 19:09.31 | frals | according to gtkrc it should be the same but alas no :P |
| 19:09.55 | mece | frals, could you paste me the source for that bit? I could use one of those in the comic widget settings. |
| 19:10.07 | frals | gonna clean it up and ill get you a link |
| 19:10.11 | mece | kthx |
| 19:11.08 | E0x | somebody saw this ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNwGx162O2A |
| 19:11.22 | N900evil | Is there a statusbar wifi signal meter? |
| 19:11.35 | E0x | some italian guy having problem with the n900 , some wired things |
| 19:11.41 | E0x | asking for any help |
| 19:11.52 | E0x | N900evil: i saw something in the repository |
| 19:11.59 | E0x | but not remember |
| 19:12.16 | E0x | hmm but i think was not a status bar |
| 19:12.19 | N900evil | wifi-eye - that's just a lister aiui |
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| 19:14.35 | ToJa92 | [N900evil]: Isn't the wifi-icon changing with strength? |
| 19:14.43 | ToJa92 | Or have I just imagined that o.O |
| 19:15.27 | C-S-B-N900 | ToJa92: i think thats your imagination. wish it did. |
| 19:15.47 | ToJa92 | I barely use Wifi anyway... |
| 19:16.03 | ToJa92 | Only when I want to SSH my N900 |
| 19:16.11 | ToJa92 | otherwise my 3.5G connection is faster |
| 19:16.25 | frals | mece: http://pastebin.com/gEmkRWXR |
| 19:16.34 | C-S-B-N900 | 3.5 is surprisingly fast |
| 19:16.37 | frals | ops, dont need the set_property on hbox |
| 19:16.42 | mece | LOOOL one of my cats is sleeping with her back foot in her mouth, making whistling noises! |
| 19:16.43 | C-S-B-N900 | and you can ssh over it. |
| 19:17.11 | N900evil | I am in the shed - 30m from my ap - through 2 really thick walls. |
| 19:17.15 | ToJa92 | [C-S-B-N900]: I'm too lazy to try it, maybe I should do that.... |
| 19:17.19 | C-S-B-N900 | mece: the win! |
| 19:17.23 | N900evil | watching the sunset |
| 19:17.34 | N900evil | mece: pics! |
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| 19:17.41 | mece | just took one. hold up. |
| 19:18.04 | C-S-B-N900 | ToJa92: you can tunnel through dns to use fon APs for free to. :) |
| 19:18.17 | frals | uh, mece: it should be a gtk.HBox in that pastebin and you dont need the set_property.. but yeah :P |
| 19:18.34 | mece | yeah I got it, thanks. It was pretty simple after all :D |
| 19:19.31 | frals | yeah |
| 19:19.43 | frals | once i got over i couldnt use gtkradiobutton it just worked :P |
| 19:20.39 | C-S-B-N900 | where are the cat pics? |
| 19:20.46 | mece | sorry sorry coming up. |
| 19:20.56 | ToJa92 | [C-S-B-N900]: Can't connect to my N900.... unless I do something wrong :( I guess I just can't connect as usual through SSH? |
| 19:21.12 | C-S-B-N900 | :) |
| 19:21.36 | C-S-B-N900 | ToJa92: try a reverse tunnel? |
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| 19:22.12 | ToJa92 | Don't have a SSH server on my computer unfortunately... :( |
| 19:22.30 | ToJa92 | I run W7 |
| 19:22.36 | E0x | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/surgery.png |
| 19:23.18 | mece | http://share.ovi.com/media/mece.public/mece.10360 |
| 19:24.47 | C-S-B-N900 | mece your cat is awesome. whats his/her name? |
| 19:25.07 | mece | We call her nala but her real name is Karma Chameleon |
| 19:25.11 | MohammadAG_ | a CPU frequency changing app, awesome! |
| 19:25.20 | mece | hahaha |
| 19:25.32 | MohammadAG_ | waits for complaints to Nokia about dead N900s |
| 19:25.35 | ToJa92 | [MohammadAG_]: Sounds awesome indeed |
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| 19:36.27 | chadi | Hi. How do I launch a new terminal window that does a ping? Tried > osso-xterm "ping 1.2.3.4" but it opened a window then closed it |
| 19:37.37 | C-S-B-N900 | chadi: you need to be root for the network tools |
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| 19:38.21 | chadi | fine: > osso-xterm "sudo ping 1.2.3.4" == same behavior |
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| 19:38.36 | chadi | opens a terminal then directly closes it |
| 19:38.38 | C-S-B-N900 | chadi: ctrl+shift+x will load a terminal. |
| 19:39.11 | chadi | I want to do that througha command |
| 19:39.45 | C-S-B-N900 | can you explain differently, i dont understand. |
| 19:39.49 | C-S-B-N900 | sorry |
| 19:39.55 | spliffy_ | sudo doesn't work like you expect |
| 19:40.18 | spliffy | at least on my n900 it does nothing. just exits with code 0 |
| 19:40.32 | spliffy | and looks like it did something |
| 19:41.01 | chadi | C-S-B-N900: the idea is that I'm trying to do what this tutorial suggests: http://www.themaemo.com/howto-launch-a-terminal-app-from-a-shortcut/ |
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| 19:41.51 | johnsq | chadi: "" correct? try without them |
| 19:41.58 | chadi | and the app is specifically a ping, in order to use the SSH server (you know, wifi in power saver mode kind of disconnects the wi-fi |
| 19:42.19 | chadi | johnsq one moment |
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| 19:42.50 | chadi | johnsq: so osso-xterm sudo ping 1.2.3.4 == also fail |
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| 19:43.56 | SpeedEvil | chadi: depends on your AP - works just fine here |
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| 19:44.22 | C-S-B-N900 | chadi screen and background it? |
| 19:44.54 | C-S-B-N900 | sudo ping 1.2.3.4 & |
| 19:45.08 | C-S-B-N900 | you wont see it, but do you need to? |
| 19:45.17 | C-S-B-N900 | or screen sudo ping 1.2.3.4 |
| 19:45.33 | spliffy | chadi: just put it in a script and run the script with osso-xterm |
| 19:45.46 | MohammadAG_ | wonders why sudo works for everything here |
| 19:45.56 | SpeedEvil | Or turn your powersaving mode to 'medium' from 'high' or 'none' from medium |
| 19:46.03 | C-S-B-N900 | MohammadAG_: got root? |
| 19:46.04 | MohammadAG_ | not sure which package enabled it (not rootsh) |
| 19:46.14 | spliffy | chadi: i thried that and it works |
| 19:46.21 | MohammadAG_ | C-S-B-N900, everyone has root... |
| 19:46.34 | C-S-B-N900 | It was a joke... |
| 19:46.40 | C-S-B-N900 | :p |
| 19:46.55 | spliffy | s/thried/tried/ |
| 19:47.51 | MohammadAG_ | http://pastebin.com/4jkYWbqD |
| 19:47.56 | MohammadAG_ | sudo works here ^ |
| 19:47.57 | chadi | spliffy: yea I read the script part in the comments of that page, but I am trying to understand why this doesn't work |
| 19:48.03 | MohammadAG_ | don't ask me how |
| 19:49.11 | spliffy | i don't understand it either. i tried osso-xterm "sleep 5" and that works. must have something to do with permissions? |
| 19:49.12 | lcuk | 146 pages! |
| 19:49.18 | MohammadAG_ | one of these packages enables it http://pastebin.com/3ydt5xZS |
| 19:49.46 | chadi | spliffy yeah exactly; the example suggests top, so osso-xterm top would also work |
| 19:49.51 | GAN900 | Weeee, Oakland boatshow time |
| 19:50.35 | spliffy | MohammadAG_: it works. i see the behaviour i decribed when i'm root already and forgot that |
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| 19:51.02 | spliffy | it's irritating |
| 19:51.07 | MohammadAG_ | spliffy, I ran it as user |
| 19:51.32 | spliffy | like osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" ? |
| 19:51.44 | frals | slaps lcuk with some bacon |
| 19:51.51 | lcuk | giggles |
| 19:52.03 | lcuk | thanks for reminding me once again im bloody hungry |
| 19:52.13 | frals | np! |
| 19:52.20 | frals | someone has to make sure your eating properly |
| 19:52.40 | MohammadAG_ | spliffy, http://pastebin.com/sSzFnyi2 |
| 19:52.45 | opdf2 | is there a simliar "usb port coming off N900 problem" for other nokia products? |
| 19:52.59 | opdf2 | I just got an n97 mini as well for someone and wanna know |
| 19:53.00 | lcuk | frals, tracy tries |
| 19:53.16 | chadi | MohammadAG_: go to your terminal, and there, issue > osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" |
| 19:53.26 | chadi | that's what we're trying to say |
| 19:53.29 | frals | lcuk: i should tell her about slapping you with bacon then ye? |
| 19:53.29 | lcuk | frals, did you eat in NRC cafe? |
| 19:53.33 | spliffy | MohammadAG_: yeah. this is not really the problem. when you combine that call with osso xterm it's not working |
| 19:53.42 | MohammadAG_ | ~ $ osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" |
| 19:53.43 | MohammadAG_ | ~ $ |
| 19:53.44 | infobot | well, $ is a dollar sign |
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| 19:53.47 | frals | cafe? the restaurant downstairs? |
| 19:53.49 | lcuk | her love for me does not extend to making bacon often |
| 19:53.50 | MohammadAG_ | LOL |
| 19:53.53 | lcuk | i have to make it myself |
| 19:53.54 | lcuk | yeah |
| 19:53.56 | frals | yeah |
| 19:54.08 | lcuk | what was main dish on the day you were there? |
| 19:54.16 | frals | err no clue lol |
| 19:54.32 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:54.34 | frals | i played it safe and went where the queue was the longest == burgers |
| 19:54.37 | frals | :D |
| 19:54.43 | lcuk | hehe |
| 19:54.53 | lcuk | i had great food all week |
| 19:54.58 | MohammadAG_ | is tempted http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=614004#post614004 |
| 19:55.06 | lcuk | until the friday when i accidentally a whole fish |
| 19:55.19 | frals | :D |
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| 19:57.03 | chadi | spliffy: I think adding & at the end can make it work without the terminal opening |
| 19:57.15 | lcuk | stops posting |
| 19:57.20 | chadi | it actually sends the ping, but let me try again to confirm |
| 19:58.28 | chadi | no it doesn't |
| 19:58.50 | chadi | how about: sudo gainroot && ping 192.168.1.2 |
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| 19:59.37 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, are you bored? commenting on the mega thread :) |
| 19:59.42 | spliffy | heh |
| 19:59.50 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, which mega thread? |
| 19:59.56 | spliffy | i would use a script |
| 20:00.00 | lcuk | just amused at how big it is |
| 20:00.16 | frals | nice, someone made a 20min walkthrough of fMMS |
| 20:00.19 | Noobmonk3y | 1.2 :) |
| 20:00.23 | chadi | spliffy: it worked :/ osso-xterm "sudo ping -c 5 1.2.3.4" |
| 20:00.23 | lcuk | :) frals |
| 20:00.30 | chadi | I had to add the -c |
| 20:00.34 | frals | and i pushed 5 versions from he started recording it until he was done lol |
| 20:00.46 | lcuk | frals, its a damn sight better than the 4 hour walk through of the original command line version |
| 20:00.52 | frals | lol |
| 20:00.59 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, stop highlighting me |
| 20:01.02 | MohammadAG_ | <Noobmonk3y> 1.2 :) |
| 20:01.04 | MohammadAG_ | :P |
| 20:01.07 | lcuk | haha |
| 20:01.12 | spliffy | chadi: hm, true |
| 20:01.13 | Noobmonk3y | lol!!! |
| 20:01.17 | spliffy | interesting |
| 20:01.19 | Noobmonk3y | highlighting? |
| 20:01.24 | lcuk | twiddles thumbs till luke is done at the concert |
| 20:01.27 | chadi | spliffy I wonder why |
| 20:01.41 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, irc clients allow highlighting certain keywords |
| 20:01.49 | Noobmonk3y | cool |
| 20:01.50 | lcuk | mine flashes red when someone says "bacon" |
| 20:01.55 | Noobmonk3y | on the n900 tho |
| 20:02.03 | lcuk | xchat is xchat |
| 20:02.04 | Noobmonk3y | bacon? lol |
| 20:02.13 | C-S-B-N900 | do we have a date on pr1.2 yw |
| 20:02.17 | C-S-B-N900 | do we have a date on pr1.2 yet? |
| 20:02.20 | MohammadAG_ | bacon |
| 20:02.21 | spliffy | chadi: mabye it depends on some environment variable |
| 20:02.22 | lcuk | i think im gonna have to make an n900 build of classic liqbase |
| 20:02.24 | Noobmonk3y | C-S-B-N900, yes |
| 20:02.36 | MohammadAG_ | liqbase? |
| 20:02.46 | frals | someone should get a screen of a recent release and post in that thread |
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| 20:02.54 | frals | and go "what, it arrived yesterday, didnt you get it?" |
| 20:02.56 | jacekowski | somebody said pr1.2 |
| 20:03.05 | Noobmonk3y | C-S-B-N900, some time, at some point in some yearl..... twas pin the tail on the calendar |
| 20:03.21 | chadi | what happens when PR 1.2 is released? |
| 20:03.28 | frals | world ends |
| 20:03.35 | chadi | you think? |
| 20:03.37 | Noobmonk3y | chadi .... world peace |
| 20:03.37 | frals | see the volcano on iceland is just the beginning |
| 20:03.39 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, :) |
| 20:03.41 | frals | next step is PR1.2 |
| 20:03.44 | frals | then the world ends |
| 20:03.49 | lcuk | liqbase is my first linux app |
| 20:03.49 | chadi | oh |
| 20:03.53 | Noobmonk3y | same as world ends frals ? |
| 20:04.07 | chadi | hi healthcheck maker |
| 20:04.27 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, http://liqbase.net/liqbase_classic.html |
| 20:04.31 | Noobmonk3y | lol!!!! |
| 20:04.33 | lcuk | for the n800 n810 |
| 20:04.35 | Noobmonk3y | hi chadi! |
| 20:04.47 | chadi | spliffy: ping -i 5 -c 5 1.2.3.4 does NOT work :P |
| 20:04.48 | frals | i wanna be famous like Noobmonk3y! |
| 20:04.51 | lcuk | i went on to build libliqbase using the concepts there |
| 20:04.55 | lcuk | and its still i nthe shed |
| 20:05.02 | chadi | frals: sorry, you don't have healthcheck |
| 20:05.10 | frals | :( |
| 20:05.21 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, the video is quite enlightening |
| 20:05.23 | chadi | =( |
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| 20:06.04 | Noobmonk3y | lols frals |
| 20:06.05 | spliffy | chadi: random busybox weirdness :P |
| 20:06.31 | chadi | runs to submit that bug :P |
| 20:06.32 | ptl | PR1.2 is released, the world does not end. It just reboots. |
| 20:06.41 | lcuk | slaps ptl |
| 20:06.52 | chadi | ptl great news! |
| 20:06.58 | ptl | ouch! |
| 20:07.01 | ptl | what for? :( |
| 20:07.19 | Noobmonk3y | bugs? |
| 20:07.22 | Noobmonk3y | eeeeeeek |
| 20:07.23 | ptl | I should have used 'when' in the beginning of my phrase. PR1.2 is not released |
| 20:07.36 | Noobmonk3y | healthcheck is taking over the world, muhahahaha |
| 20:07.42 | chadi | ptl for the world rebooting... that's amazing |
| 20:07.45 | jacekowski | anybody familiar with gtk and hildon? |
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| 20:07.52 | spliffy | where do i get PR1.2? |
| 20:07.58 | ptl | I want to go to N900 conferences like Noobmonk3y and get all the chicks |
| 20:08.02 | Noobmonk3y | frals cant wait to see your download totals when you get it to downloads :) |
| 20:08.14 | ptl | spliffy: first you have to tune your delorean... |
| 20:08.18 | Noobmonk3y | loll ptl where do ya live? |
| 20:08.22 | RST38h | lcuk: have you seen any poultry at the last Maemo Summit? |
| 20:08.31 | spliffy | ptl: cool, i was about to do taht anyway |
| 20:08.31 | ptl | Noobmonk3y: Campinas, Brazil! :) |
| 20:08.49 | Noobmonk3y | anywhere near rio? |
| 20:08.58 | frals | Noobmonk3y: im curious as well :) |
| 20:09.02 | Noobmonk3y | the missus whas there in october :) |
| 20:09.07 | lcuk | RST38h, ?? |
| 20:09.07 | frals | recently hit 10k .deb downloads on garage :) |
| 20:09.17 | Noobmonk3y | wow frals!!! |
| 20:09.17 | lcuk | i saw lots of good friends |
| 20:09.38 | Noobmonk3y | h/c just hit 40k, think you will obliterate that sooon! |
| 20:09.39 | SpeedEvil | frals: how's the blackmail income from the feed of incoming images going? |
| 20:10.06 | frals | SpeedEvil: scch, we werent suppose to tell anyone all MMS's go through my server! |
| 20:10.07 | nid0 | I do think healthcheck wont stand much of a chance once fmms goes to extras ;) |
| 20:10.28 | SpeedEvil | wonders about opera mini. |
| 20:10.34 | Noobmonk3y | nid0, unless i quickly implement picyure messaging this wkend! |
| 20:10.56 | ptl | Noobmonk3y: about 450km from Rio de Janeiro |
| 20:11.00 | chadi | anyone wondered by how much nokia could have saved worldwide bandwidth by announcing a date for PR 1.2? :P |
| 20:11.01 | ptl | Noobmonk3y: are you coming to Brazil? |
| 20:11.07 | Noobmonk3y | tis as easy as that isnt it frals, you are just teasing people |
| 20:11.10 | nid0 | well, judging by the current idiotic trend on the forums, you might just as well bundle an overclockable kernel and flasher for it into healthcheck |
| 20:11.16 | nid0 | probably hit 100k in about 10 mins then |
| 20:11.18 | Noobmonk3y | hopefully next year :) |
| 20:11.37 | frals | Noobmonk3y: ive promised myself to just add this last feature and then promote to -testing |
| 20:11.44 | lcuk | jesus theres an even longer thread |
| 20:11.49 | frals | this last feature depending on PR1.2, but should be done in time |
| 20:11.54 | nid0 | wasnt that the same promise like 50 features ago? :D |
| 20:11.56 | ptl | Cool, let me know when and at the time we make a Meego conference to show off our newly acquired N990's :D |
| 20:12.07 | Noobmonk3y | frals please either add a paypal button or mail me you addy when u do! :) |
| 20:12.14 | nid0 | agreed |
| 20:12.24 | frals | nid0: hehe, nah, this has been the initial plan all along more or less actually |
| 20:12.33 | chadi | Noobmonk3y I didn't try healthcheck yet, by the way :P |
| 20:12.35 | Noobmonk3y | ptl wont it just be an N9? |
| 20:12.49 | frals | ive had this one big point on my todo list ever since one of first packages... "AUTOMATIC MMS APN CONFIGURATION" |
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| 20:12.56 | ptl | or that |
| 20:12.57 | Noobmonk3y | lol chadi! one day left in testing for v1! |
| 20:13.04 | ptl | maybe N9, with Meego 2.1 with android compatibility |
| 20:13.10 | frals | since thats wihtout a doubt the biggest problem |
| 20:13.11 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 20:13.15 | SpeedEvil | frals: is there a big list of mms apns out there? |
| 20:13.26 | frals | SpeedEvil: in 1.2 it will be on device :) |
| 20:13.29 | nid0 | hows the next version doing Noobmonk3y, is that going to testing as soon as 1 hits extras? :P |
| 20:13.34 | Noobmonk3y | frals, easy, ask nokia to fly you ov........ oh they have :) |
| 20:14.00 | Noobmonk3y | nid0, will go in on sunday! other promotes late sat night :) |
| 20:14.01 | frals | (at least its on pr1.2 SDK :P) |
| 20:14.07 | chadi | Noobmonk3y and the version you are currently working on is in devel? |
| 20:14.09 | ds3 | frals: what thread are you refering to on TMO when I select one of the 3 modes in the latest version? |
| 20:14.30 | Noobmonk3y | chadi one in each repo, latest is only on my phone, hehe |
| 20:14.33 | frals | ds3: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39737 aka the huge fMMS thread |
| 20:14.45 | frals | i should probably make that a link at some point |
| 20:14.53 | chadi | heh |
| 20:15.03 | chadi | Noobmonk3y: may I PM you? |
| 20:15.05 | frals | or just throw the browser in the face of the user on first launch |
| 20:15.25 | Noobmonk3y | you may! on my phone so i apologise if i am slow to reply |
| 20:15.30 | ds3 | oh that one |
| 20:15.31 | nid0 | particularly with your healthcheck updates I cant help but wonder again if -testing qa rules about the quarantine time shouldnt be changed... |
| 20:15.40 | SpeedEvil | frals: set to auto-thank you for the release post. |
| 20:15.44 | nid0 | as it doesnt exactly make fast update turnarounds practical |
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| 20:15.57 | frals | SpeedEvil: awesome idea... *evil grin* |
| 20:15.59 | Noobmonk3y | nid0, only because i wouldnt promote if i wasnt sure |
| 20:16.37 | nid0 | but thats exactly my point - you're now waiting to promote 1.0.0.2 ish to -testing for 1.0.0.0 that was checked as fine over a week ago to go up |
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| 20:16.58 | nid0 | and cant promote it before then without wiping out 1.0.0.0 and having to start the 10 days again before anything hits extras |
| 20:16.59 | dmj726_n9001 | I'm also noticing that 2/3rds of the packages are in devel or testing. |
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| 20:20.04 | Noobmonk3y | yeah nid0 ! |
| 20:20.32 | Noobmonk3y | unfortunatley... testing is important and have to stick by the rules for now |
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| 20:21.14 | nid0 | im sorely tempted to bring up a suggestion on the testing ml to drop the quarantine time by quite a way though |
| 20:21.28 | Noobmonk3y | nid0, it has been requested |
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| 20:21.39 | Noobmonk3y | not sure what the consensus is |
| 20:21.51 | nid0 | um, when/where, I havent seen any proposals about it for quite a while |
| 20:22.00 | frals | was a few weeks back |
| 20:22.23 | frals | cant remember if anything was ever decided |
| 20:22.44 | frals | 10 days is a pain if you push updates regularly |
| 20:22.49 | frals | (i can imagine) |
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| 20:22.57 | Noobmonk3y | nid0, gd point, not since my argument about bugtracker have i raised it |
| 20:23.15 | Noobmonk3y | frals, h/c is a drug......... :) |
| 20:23.42 | frals | and off he goes for another shot |
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| 20:24.13 | Noobmonk3y | oooops |
| 20:24.20 | lcuk | h/c is a drug |
| 20:24.21 | Noobmonk3y | closed xchat by accident |
| 20:24.23 | lcuk | hard/check? |
| 20:24.30 | Noobmonk3y | healthcheck lol |
| 20:24.30 | chadi | haha |
| 20:26.10 | Noobmonk3y | ~ping |
| 20:26.11 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:26.25 | Noobmonk3y | did i kill the conversation |
| 20:26.29 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 20:26.31 | lcuk | now i know those with dirty minds |
| 20:26.47 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, stop talking to yourself! |
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| 20:28.24 | lcuk | well i obviously thought it and you and chadi did too : |
| 20:28.25 | lcuk | :p |
| 20:28.43 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 20:29.03 | Noobmonk3y | lol, cyall laters |
| 20:29.07 | Noobmonk3y | gtg! |
| 20:29.18 | chadi | heh |
| 20:29.33 | Noobmonk3y | misses says hi n bye to u all! |
| 20:29.40 | chadi | bye Noobmonk3y |
| 20:29.41 | lcuk | tell her ill see her later |
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| 20:41.23 | supertramp | guys - what is generating fstab in maemo? |
| 20:42.27 | cehteh | init.d/rcS and some glue |
| 20:42.38 | SpeedEvil | grep -r fstab /etc |
| 20:42.40 | cehteh | or was it event.d ... |
| 20:43.07 | cehteh | yeah grep and have fun .. i forgotten since i disabled it and made my own fstab |
| 20:44.12 | supertramp | ah - rcS-late |
| 20:44.14 | supertramp | thx! |
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| 21:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart taleo freegin js crap |
| 21:02.25 | infobot | does a little 'dpkg -P taleo freegin js crap' action |
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| 21:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: hsupa is just a nasty powerhog |
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| 21:08.47 | ShadowJK | I don't htink hsupa is working where I am :/ |
| 21:09.08 | ShadowJK | but I guess I'd need mdma to see how much upstream I'm allowed to use in the first place |
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| 21:09.33 | pupnik | my thing says 3.5 with 5 bars.. and im in the woods here :) |
| 21:09.40 | ptl | mdma? ecstasy? |
| 21:10.30 | ShadowJK | http://www.nerve.org.za/mdma/compat.html "assigned profile" |
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| 21:11.12 | MohammadAG_ | wonders when the next bug day is |
| 21:11.18 | MohammadAG_ | or a testing marathon |
| 21:12.09 | ptl | bug days are irrelevant if the bugfixes ain't released. |
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| 21:14.55 | red | part 5 of using stylus in the dark) pff.. grr.. it wont fit back in.. - and then realizing it probably wont fit in the headphone jack |
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| 21:15.53 | ToJa92 | [red]: Lol |
| 21:17.15 | SpeedEvil | I got really worried that my slide had stuck |
| 21:17.20 | SpeedEvil | keyboard slide |
| 21:17.58 | SpeedEvil | Turned out I'd put the case on the wrong way round - so the 'nokia' logo was at the bottom - and I was consequently holding it upside down |
| 21:18.09 | jacekowski | i found the problem |
| 21:18.15 | jacekowski | i've got no idea how to fix it yet |
| 21:18.33 | red | hah |
| 21:19.41 | jacekowski | i mean - it's a hildon related problem |
| 21:19.47 | jacekowski | and that autocaps on 1st letter |
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| 21:21.43 | red | autocaps can be toggled, right? |
| 21:21.52 | red | iirc |
| 21:22.01 | ToJa92 | yeah |
| 21:22.05 | ToJa92 | you can turn it off |
| 21:23.06 | red | its useful for sms |
| 21:23.15 | red | dreadful in web forma |
| 21:23.20 | red | forms* |
| 21:23.45 | ToJa92 | well, if you write fast I can imagine it's useful... my typing speed is horrible though so I've turned it off |
| 21:23.54 | ToJa92 | it was annoying in web forms, like you said |
| 21:24.21 | ToJa92 | I wish the keyboard were more like my old E71's, it was perfect |
| 21:25.34 | pupnik | in layout or switch form? |
| 21:26.16 | ToJa92 | I mostly liked the size and the fact there were some actual impact distance, and you actually heard a pretty loud click |
| 21:26.24 | ToJa92 | some didn't like the small keyboard though |
| 21:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (autocaps) aiui it's a property bit to be set on the particular readline() or whatever it's called. No idea about hildon desktop though |
| 21:27.12 | pupnik | have you tried an n810 ToJa92 ? |
| 21:27.28 | ToJa92 | nope |
| 21:27.39 | ToJa92 | N900 is my first N-series phone from Nokia actually |
| 21:28.23 | ToJa92 | how come you wonder? |
| 21:28.36 | pupnik | worse pressure point |
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| 21:28.53 | pupnik | i find n900 a significant improvement |
| 21:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | some (like me) think N810 kbd is magnitudes better than N900's |
| 21:29.12 | ToJa92 | oh |
| 21:29.56 | ToJa92 | well, I can't write nearly as fast with my N900 as I could with my E71 |
| 21:30.18 | pupnik | that amazes me DocScrutinizer |
| 21:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: wait another few weeks, I ordered a qwerty keymat |
| 21:31.03 | SpeedEvil | ToJa92: It takes some learning. |
| 21:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | alas even that won't add a 4th row |
| 21:31.25 | SpeedEvil | ToJa92: I was at - maybe - 18wpm - then my laptop was down for a week, and I got to around 28 |
| 21:31.27 | ShadowJK | I like the feel of n900 keyboard better, and it has many useful things as blue symbols that n810 keyboard didn't have, but then I like 4 row better |
| 21:31.47 | SpeedEvil | ToJa92: I think I can hit 35 or so with another weeks practice in principle. |
| 21:32.21 | ToJa92 | Yeah I guess so.. I was hoping the N900 would have more useful keyboard shortcuts such as Wifi toggle, BT toggle and LED toggle though |
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| 21:32.54 | ToJa92 | like the E72 |
| 21:33.32 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, where from? (keymat) |
| 21:34.18 | vanadismobile | hai thar |
| 21:35.06 | vanadismobile | i may asked this before, but how do i update my fennec? Is there a simple solution? |
| 21:35.31 | ToJa92 | you'll need to add a special repository from mozilla |
| 21:35.38 | ToJa92 | I can /msg the details to you |
| 21:35.52 | vanadismobile | yeah, would be cool |
| 21:40.08 | MohammadAG_ | brb |
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| 21:52.56 | ToJa92 | is it just my xterm that sometimes seems to miss-interpret things? for example I wrote leafpad /etc/pmconfig but after I pressed enter it thought I wrote leafpad/etc/pmconfig |
| 21:53.16 | flashn | has anyone successfully replaced busybox with coreutils yet? |
| 21:53.29 | CampHappy | hey prank call this number 6097134734 |
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| 21:54.16 | vanadismobile | CampHappy, reason? |
| 21:54.29 | geneven | I give up. What does HAM stand for? |
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| 21:55.00 | CampHappy | lady is a bitch |
| 21:55.38 | geneven | I see HAM in the overclocking thread a lot. |
| 21:55.39 | SpeedEvil | Hildon Application Manager |
| 21:55.52 | CampHappy | tell her that her son is placing a lawsuit against her |
| 21:56.00 | vanadismobile | lolwut |
| 21:56.08 | CampHappy | fo psycological abuse |
| 21:56.09 | geneven | Thanks, Speedevil! |
| 21:56.16 | CampHappy | lol |
| 21:56.35 | vanadismobile | also, not your personal army |
| 21:56.58 | SpeedEvil | Ask 4chan. |
| 21:57.06 | _llll_ | sounds like her son needs to grow up a bit |
| 21:57.23 | vanadismobile | 4chan isnt your personal army either |
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| 22:01.19 | javispedro | aha, didn't you want a nice eclipse help-like maemo docs page |
| 22:01.25 | javispedro | http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp there you have |
| 22:02.01 | javispedro | woot. impressive. |
| 22:03.31 | frals | just some css tweaks to make it look a bit more like maemo.org and its perfect! ;) |
| 22:04.01 | javispedro | looks pro. will they fool anybody into coding for the platform with it? =) |
| 22:04.50 | flashn | is there a dev channel around? |
| 22:05.08 | javispedro | there's #maemo-devel for a little less off-topic stuff |
| 22:05.10 | frals | #maemo-devel ... but most of us is around in here as well |
| 22:06.14 | javispedro | congratulates himself for managing to skip the entire repo-dns-akamai temporary fiasco =) |
| 22:06.16 | flashn | I just got my n900 and I want to get rid of busybox |
| 22:06.29 | frals | javispedro: ... bastard ;) |
| 22:06.42 | flashn | havent found a real good answer on the internets, would be nice to know before I brick it >;) |
| 22:06.43 | Arkenoi | flashn: short answer: you cannot |
| 22:07.13 | flashn | would like the long version tho >:P |
| 22:07.50 | SpeedEvil | flashn: you basically need to rewrite all the init scripts |
| 22:08.00 | SpeedEvil | flashn: or at least work out which ones bork with bash |
| 22:08.00 | flashn | thats no problem though |
| 22:08.23 | SpeedEvil | flashn: plus - a major issue is that bash has a _MUCH_ larger memory footprint. |
| 22:08.29 | Arkenoi | long answer: you probably can, but it requires damn a lot of work it probably does not worth the effort |
| 22:08.43 | flashn | i didnt say I was gonna use bash |
| 22:08.49 | SpeedEvil | flashn: An instance of bash uses a large slice of a megabyte. An instance of ash uses 10-20k or so |
| 22:09.00 | SpeedEvil | where ash can also be any busybox tool |
| 22:09.18 | SpeedEvil | the memory footprint - and indeed startup time - of a busybox tool - can be very low - as it's already in RAM |
| 22:09.20 | flashn | I already use bash |
| 22:09.39 | SpeedEvil | yuo can install gnu-tools, and set your path so it finds those first |
| 22:09.41 | flashn | but Im more familiar with zsh |
| 22:09.44 | Arkenoi | but i do not see any good reason why we do not have "real" ps |
| 22:09.57 | pupnik | DINGO: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot! She has been setting alight to our beacon, which, I just remembered, is grail-shaped. It's not the first time we've had this problem. |
| 22:10.05 | flashn | thats a ugly way of doing it |
| 22:10.25 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: :) |
| 22:10.39 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: install gnu-utils |
| 22:11.00 | flashn | its in the repo? |
| 22:11.09 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:11.31 | flashn | cool, Ill check it out |
| 22:11.32 | flashn | thanks! |
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| 22:11.50 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/grep-gnu/2.5.4-4maemo3/ |
| 22:11.53 | SpeedEvil | and similar |
| 22:13.49 | javispedro | this library is awesome. *drops devhelp* |
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| 22:16.09 | jacekowski | ok, i think i fixed it |
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| 22:18.41 | jacekowski | OMG |
| 22:18.44 | jacekowski | it's friday today |
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| 22:38.58 | Gizmokid2005 | Wow...21 updates today...and no PR1.2...crazy! |
| 22:39.16 | Gizmokid2005 | that seems like an extraordinary amount of updates for no fw update...hmm |
| 22:39.46 | _llll_ | why would you expect the fw to be related to random packages? |
| 22:40.23 | Gizmokid2005 | I wouldn't. But I update every day, if not checking multiple times per day....for so many updates to come at once, you'd expect a FW update...or maybe for there to have been an issue with the repos. |
| 22:43.03 | ShadowJK | do you have -testing or -devel enabled? |
| 22:43.15 | Gizmokid2005 | both |
| 22:43.26 | javispedro | ShadowJK: they usually have. |
| 22:43.39 | Gizmokid2005 | the people who stop by here at least :) |
| 22:43.53 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.01 | ShadowJK | Right. The autobuilder was enhanced to improve compatibility with PR1.1, so several packages that were PR1.2-only would now install on 1.1 too |
| 22:44.26 | Gizmokid2005 | ShadowJK: aahhh, that would cause it I do suppose. So far, only 2 have failed due to PR1.2 deps... |
| 22:44.50 | Gizmokid2005 | make that 3... |
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| 22:47.18 | _llll_ | random packages and the fw are not really related, still dont see why the surprise |
| 22:48.36 | Gizmokid2005 | because of the major updates in libs in PR1.2, A lot of updates in different apps to update to the deps, just logic flow would lead one to believe a lot of app updates at once would indicate the libs are released (ie - a firmware). |
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| 22:49.35 | javispedro | no longer -- most packages should work across versions. |
| 22:50.10 | Gizmokid2005 | most should...I'm still installing, but so far 3 still won't install because of lib differences. |
| 22:50.25 | javispedro | names? |
| 22:50.44 | Gizmokid2005 | "Extended Call Log", "FreOffice", "Mapper" so far. |
| 22:50.45 | FIQ | (00:44:27) (Gizmokid2005) ShadowJK: aahhh, that would cause it I do suppose. So far, only 2 have failed due to PR1.2 deps... |
| 22:50.58 | FIQ | ukeyboard, sixad |
| 22:51.05 | FIQ | is it those one? |
| 22:51.14 | FIQ | two* |
| 22:52.03 | dima202 | i can't install screen, I get "Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package." what other package? |
| 22:52.17 | javispedro | FreOffice is Qt; Mapper is temporary (fixed one is in temporary autobuilder ... ), |
| 22:52.33 | Gizmokid2005 | Extended Call Log is a hildon update |
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| 22:52.37 | Gizmokid2005 | so is Mapper |
| 22:52.42 | Gizmokid2005 | and I know FreOffice is Qt. |
| 22:52.50 | javispedro | a "hildon update"? |
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| 22:53.06 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 22:53.07 | Gizmokid2005 | yeah, hildon libs have updated which is the lib that the install is failing on. |
| 22:53.32 | jacekowski | i think only way to fix caps issue is to disable autocaps in chrome |
| 22:54.06 | javispedro | Gizmokid2005: according to my records, extcalllog is fixed. |
| 22:54.48 | Gizmokid2005 | javispedro: not sure what to tell you... 0.3 which is in -devel won't update because of librtcom-eventlogger |
| 22:55.01 | javispedro | Gizmokid2005: which is NOT hildon... sigh. |
| 22:55.11 | Gizmokid2005 | Yeah I saw that :( |
| 22:55.16 | jacekowski | hildon problem is fixed |
| 22:55.17 | Gizmokid2005 | that was a mistake on my part :( |
| 22:55.18 | Gizmokid2005 | sorry |
| 22:55.20 | jacekowski | all 1.2 problems are fixed |
| 22:55.35 | Gizmokid2005 | Mapper won't update because of "libhildon1" and "libpixman-1-0" |
| 22:55.47 | javispedro | seems there was API break between PRs in rtcom-eventlogger, they bumped SONAME. |
| 22:56.13 | jacekowski | that's problem with a lot of linux apps |
| 22:56.22 | jacekowski | api is unstable compared to anything else |
| 22:56.28 | Gizmokid2005 | javispedro: not a problem. I'm not complaining, nor worried about the lack of updates. Just stating facts |
| 22:56.32 | Gizmokid2005 | I know it'll be fixed come PR1.2 |
| 22:56.44 | jacekowski | 1.2 is not coming |
| 22:56.45 | tripzero | PR1.2!!!!!11eleven |
| 22:56.55 | tripzero | noooooo!!!! :( :( |
| 22:56.55 | javispedro | Gizmokid2005: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/.fremantletest/maemo-mapper_3.0+beta4/results/ mapper is here. |
| 22:57.03 | Gizmokid2005 | I didn't say it was...just saying it'll be fixed then. |
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| 22:58.27 | Gizmokid2005 | javispedro: 3.0+beta2 is what's in -devel. I'm not that worried about updating it now to do a deb install. |
| 22:58.32 | Gizmokid2005 | like I said, just stating facts. |
| 22:58.46 | javispedro | you're already using -devel. it's as bad as .deb install. |
| 22:58.49 | Gizmokid2005 | oh wait...beta4 is in the reports |
| 22:58.52 | Gizmokid2005 | *repos |
| 22:58.53 | Gizmokid2005 | wow |
| 22:59.18 | Gizmokid2005 | yes I know...but then I have to either navigate to the url on my phone, or send it to my phone...and with my laziness, neither will happen. |
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| 23:07.18 | javispedro | joggler got back to its original price :( |
| 23:07.43 | lcuk | £359.99 ? |
| 23:07.57 | javispedro | :) touché. |
| 23:08.09 | javispedro | £99.99 |
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| 23:13.51 | dima202 | So anyone know in what package I can find screen? |
| 23:14.20 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 23:14.21 | jacekowski | screen |
| 23:14.34 | jacekowski | ( don't tell anyone ) |
| 23:14.53 | _llll_ | is it even packaged? |
| 23:14.57 | dima202 | i can't install screen, I get "Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package." what other package? |
| 23:15.21 | dima202 | jacekowski: I won't tell anyone |
| 23:15.31 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 23:15.33 | jacekowski | it's not packaged |
| 23:15.50 | jacekowski | give 20 minutes |
| 23:15.52 | jacekowski | and i'll fix it |
| 23:15.59 | dima202 | sweet thanks |
| 23:16.04 | lcuk | bactually that sounds like it is? |
| 23:16.21 | _llll_ | sounds like anothr package does "Depends: screen" |
| 23:16.54 | jacekowski | well, maybe little bit more than 20 minutes |
| 23:16.55 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/screen/ |
| 23:16.57 | lcuk | yeah |
| 23:17.07 | lcuk | so why do we also have documentation for it |
| 23:17.12 | javispedro | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/screen/ |
| 23:17.12 | jacekowski | because it will take 20 minutes for me to make chrome package |
| 23:17.24 | javispedro | tools repo. |
| 23:17.48 | _llll_ | woah, there's a tools repo? |
| 23:17.57 | _llll_ | thanks for nothing maemo wiki |
| 23:18.11 | jacekowski | that wiki is useless |
| 23:18.15 | jacekowski | i mean |
| 23:18.18 | javispedro | .. |
| 23:18.21 | jacekowski | there are 5 pages about same thing |
| 23:18.33 | jacekowski | but every each of that pages has something that other pages don't have |
| 23:18.50 | jacekowski | but 50% of text is same |
| 23:19.37 | _llll_ | and all badly written (thanks wikipedia for teaching people how not to write) so you dont want to trust it |
| 23:19.59 | javispedro | all badly written? |
| 23:21.41 | _llll_ | haha, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/screen "this article documents a developer tool" |
| 23:22.05 | javispedro | it's true -- it's on the devel repo. |
| 23:22.08 | javispedro | s/devel/tools |
| 23:22.47 | _llll_ | how is screen a developer tool? |
| 23:23.41 | javispedro | how is it NOT a developer tool, considering that from the Maemo userbase only developers will use it? |
| 23:24.00 | jacekowski | i'm using screen |
| 23:24.02 | _llll_ | wget as well |
| 23:24.05 | jacekowski | for non development purposes |
| 23:24.07 | jacekowski | and wget |
| 23:24.19 | _llll_ | you may as well say firefox is a developer tool |
| 23:24.31 | jacekowski | google is a developer tool |
| 23:24.40 | jacekowski | and porn search engine |
| 23:24.42 | javispedro | have you read the argument I used? |
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| 23:24.49 | _llll_ | i dindt understand your argument |
| 23:24.59 | _llll_ | im not a developer, but i use screen every day |
| 23:25.13 | Arkenoi | is it safe to enable pool repo on the device or there is a chance it will fetch some wrong version that will brick the phone? |
| 23:25.33 | jacekowski | Arkenoi: tool |
| 23:25.36 | jacekowski | Arkenoi: not pool |
| 23:25.39 | javispedro | tools, not pool. stuff there's not optified, btw. |
| 23:25.57 | jacekowski | Arkenoi: well, you can always unbrick it |
| 23:26.36 | javispedro | _llll_: we even have a say for that here: "the exception that proves the rule". |
| 23:26.52 | javispedro | *saying |
| 23:27.29 | jacekowski | besides, optification is evil |
| 23:27.44 | _llll_ | man-db gets asked for a fair bit in here too |
| 23:27.50 | jacekowski | packages should go to /opt/bin with their binaries |
| 23:27.59 | jacekowski | and /opt/bin should be in PATH |
| 23:28.10 | jacekowski | not like it's now that every binary is symlinker |
| 23:28.14 | jacekowski | symlinked* |
| 23:28.21 | javispedro | but it doesn't matter. the idea of the tools repo is to provide the free stuff that Nokia has used for development and testing to third party developers. they somehow used screen, but did not consider it a package fit for the base system repository, thus tools repo. |
| 23:28.46 | _llll_ | basically my point is that it's a confusing name, and the wiki does not direct anyone to its existance |
| 23:28.55 | javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
| 23:29.07 | javispedro | it's not defined enough there? change it then. |
| 23:29.23 | _llll_ | how would anyone have known that page was there? i certainly didny |
| 23:29.37 | javispedro | _llll_: well I found it following the link you gave me minutes ago |
| 23:29.43 | guysoft42 | j #highaltitude |
| 23:29.51 | guysoft42 | ops |
| 23:30.01 | _llll_ | yes, and i only found that when someone mentione d"tools repository" in here |
| 23:30.14 | _llll_ | i dont trhink "tools repository" is mentioned anywhere else |
| 23:30.16 | _llll_ | confusing |
| 23:31.23 | Ken-Young | I am trying to import contacts into my N900. I have an "Outlook format" CSV file called contacts.csv . I can see the file with xterminal. It is world-readable. But the Maemo Contacts app just doesn't list the file when I try to select it. Is there some special name the file must have? Is there some other format I need? |
| 23:32.19 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 23:32.20 | jacekowski | vcard |
| 23:32.47 | javispedro | _llll_: "screen maemo" in google links to that page. |
| 23:32.50 | jacekowski | maemo3 chrome just got uploaded |
| 23:33.10 | Ken-Young | jacekowski, Thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 23:37.46 | Ken-Young | jacekowski, That fixed my problem. Thanks again, that saved a lot of typing. |
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| 23:45.14 | lcuk | frals #maemo-ui is thata way >> |
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| 23:45.27 | frals | lcuk: yeah im there ;) |
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