| 00:03.24 | lcuk | someone just used mbarcode |
| 00:03.37 | lcuk | to see chris dibona's 2d |
| 00:04.01 | lcuk | (collaboration summit) |
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| 00:04.08 | Arkenoi | wishes mbarcode and flashlight will block internal camera app from launching someday |
| 00:04.34 | Arkenoi | it is *really* annoying and makes android users laugh |
| 00:04.50 | SpeedEvil | wishes flashlight is orthoganol to camera. |
| 00:05.04 | SpeedEvil | With an alternate way to turn it on that does not use v4l |
| 00:05.19 | lcuk | i wish mbarcode just used the recent photos list |
| 00:05.27 | lcuk | so use the normal camera app and all its niceness |
| 00:05.40 | lcuk | flashlight should be in the camera app itself |
| 00:06.20 | Arkenoi | virtual "share" plugin that will look for barcodes? |
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| 00:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (alt. way for LED) sysfs node - once more |
| 00:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | ad for flashlight to be a part of cam-app I think those LEDs as much related to the camera as the uSD slot is |
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| 00:22.59 | GAN900 | Wow |
| 00:23.03 | GAN900 | free Nexus One |
| 00:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. two distincr subsystems just incidentally cooperating on particular tasks |
| 00:23.16 | GAN900 | Will it Blend?! |
| 00:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | (flashlight/torch a subfunction of cam-app) in fact it's highly undesirable to crank up the powerhog camchip just for a torch function |
| 00:29.38 | ShadowJK | I guess you need to look in the driver whether cam chip gets powered up? |
| 00:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | if torch was a reasonable subfunction of camera, then audio recorder was as well. And we end in iPhone madness |
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| 00:31.13 | ShadowJK | Speaking of madness, the "no portable software, please" ban amuses me |
| 00:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I dunno for the driver, but I know the flashlight LEDs have a dedicated controller chip unrelated to the cam chip. So they're no different to e.g. LCD backlight or indicator & kbd light |
| 00:32.12 | ShadowJK | yeah |
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| 00:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | and they deserve a decent *../leds/flashlight/* set of sysfs nodes |
| 00:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | (ban) err, what's the issue? iPhone? never heard of |
| 00:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | (the ban) |
| 00:35.20 | ShadowJK | basically 3d engines, portability libraries and stuff like that are banned now |
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| 00:36.28 | odin_ | I have no idea what goes on in iPhone world |
| 00:36.41 | odin_ | who is banning via what punishment? |
| 00:36.43 | ShadowJK | Apps must be native iphone apps written solely for iphone, no "adaptation layers" |
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| 00:37.05 | odin_ | ah that 'ol route to world domination |
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| 00:37.24 | nez | I for one welcome our new overlords |
| 00:37.42 | odin_ | yes they can inherit their hell |
| 00:38.19 | lcuk | how come they just let a browser through which runs javascript (however limited) and renders html |
| 00:38.33 | lcuk | thats an adoption layer |
| 00:38.45 | nez | opera mini runs the javascript on the remote server? |
| 00:39.11 | ShadowJK | did they let through opera mini? |
| 00:39.25 | nez | yes |
| 00:39.46 | nez | ShadowJK: you're referring to apple, correct? |
| 00:39.51 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 00:39.53 | nez | mhmm |
| 00:40.06 | nez | it's currently the #1 app in the store right now |
| 00:40.23 | nez | ...and to think my good old N800 had Opera on it |
| 00:40.31 | ShadowJK | that's another thing I guess, ad-hoc enforcement of their own rules, and making up new ones on the fly and only applying them to specific apps :) |
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| 00:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise you would lose respect and fear of the overloards |
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| 00:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | keep acting unpredictable, otherwise others will predict what you do and you lose your advantage |
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| 00:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | especially I seem to remember browsers were one of the application classes explicitly prohibited for appstore |
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| 01:09.46 | MaceG1 | Weird |
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| 01:31.34 | opdf2 | they need to let adobe in |
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| 01:56.03 | bjv | How do you set the tablets X key repeat delay? |
| 01:56.27 | bjv | VNC is sucking, and i bet repeat delay is set to like 250ms |
| 02:01.26 | bjv | hm, xset770 is apparently a thing |
| 02:04.46 | bjv | i dont want to set ~individual keys for no-repeat though.. |
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| 03:03.29 | opdf2 | lol just realized there was an ovi store |
| 03:03.51 | opdf2 | i dont like that ovi isnt included in app man |
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| 03:18.17 | crashanddie | ~action |
| 03:18.18 | infobot | ACTION forgets what action did. |
| 03:18.27 | crashanddie | ~cut |
| 03:18.40 | crashanddie | ~scope |
| 03:18.56 | crashanddie | ~answer |
| 03:18.57 | infobot | 42 |
| 03:19.05 | crashanddie | ~thanks |
| 03:19.05 | infobot | sure thing, crashanddie |
| 03:19.15 | crashanddie | ~whoami |
| 03:19.16 | infobot | you are crashanddie, or ~cb09b989@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie on #maemo and it's 2010.04.15. Don't believe me? Ask lpotter! |
| 03:19.36 | crashanddie | lpotter: are you sure? |
| 03:19.46 | crashanddie | ~ask me something |
| 03:20.00 | crashanddie | ~bored |
| 03:20.01 | infobot | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 03:20.08 | crashanddie | ~beer? |
| 03:20.09 | infobot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 03:20.23 | crashanddie | ~nice |
| 03:20.24 | infobot | i heard nice is prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). |
| 03:20.51 | crashanddie | ~joke |
| 03:20.52 | infobot | A bhuddist monk goes to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything!" |
| 03:21.11 | crashanddie | ~hitme |
| 03:22.04 | crashanddie | ~lobotomy |
| 03:22.05 | infobot | I feel different somehow. |
| 03:22.19 | crashanddie | ~lobotomy GeneralAntilles |
| 03:22.20 | infobot | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on GeneralAntilles |
| 03:22.49 | crashanddie | ~awesome |
| 03:22.50 | infobot | awesome is, like, a synonym of cheese. |
| 03:22.57 | crashanddie | ~cheese |
| 03:22.57 | infobot | from memory, cheese is pure awesomesause. I love cheese. |
| 03:23.07 | crashanddie | ~awesomesause |
| 03:23.22 | crashanddie | ~qotd |
| 03:23.23 | infobot | somebody said qotd was "Documention is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing." |
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| 03:26.36 | crashanddie | ~fact |
| 03:26.37 | infobot | An automated system for managing small snippets of information.. URL: http://projects.ticons.com.au/fact/ |
| 03:26.40 | crashanddie | ~trivia |
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| 03:27.06 | opdf2 | anyone using recaller? updated it now its... |
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| 03:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal lobotomy |
| 03:49.18 | infobot | "lobotomy" is "<reply> I feel different somehow." |
| 03:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal lobotomy x |
| 03:49.31 | infobot | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on x |
| 03:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | ploymorphism, nice :-) |
| 03:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal "lobotomy x" |
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| 03:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | listkeys lobotomy |
| 03:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys lobotomy |
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| 04:17.09 | slingr | ok |
| 04:18.04 | slingr | so when i got my phone a couple weeks ago I knew it had two previous owners. now that i'm getting to know my phone more i'm finding a lot of their left overs. so i guess what i'm wondering is if there is an easy way to send my phone back to complete virgin or something similar |
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| 04:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 04:25.17 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
| 04:27.20 | crashanddie | ~listkeys DocScrutinizer |
| 04:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~listvalues docscrutinizer |
| 04:28.39 | crashanddie | ~DocScrutinizer |
| 04:28.40 | infobot | from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 04:28.56 | opdf2 | wow it is crazy how much cpu and battery AP news takes |
| 04:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~upsidedown Why did you die when I told you 'upsidedown' last time? |
| 04:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 04:29.22 | infobot | ~pong |
| 04:29.30 | crashanddie | ~upsidedown |
| 04:29.36 | crashanddie | ~coincidence |
| 04:29.46 | crashanddie | ~rambo |
| 04:29.54 | crashanddie | ~freenode |
| 04:29.54 | infobot | http://freenode.net/, or the bomb. where you are, man. |
| 04:30.21 | crashanddie | ~forget about DocScrutinizer |
| 04:30.21 | infobot | crashanddie: i didn't have anything called 'about docscrutinizer' to forget |
| 04:30.42 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: do you want thyself removeth from infobot ? |
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| 04:31.58 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: do you want thyself removeth from infobot ? |
| 04:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 04:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | infobot won't forget me <3 |
| 04:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | try if you don't believe :-P |
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| 04:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: c'mon |
| 04:39.21 | crashanddie | ~forget DocScrutinizer |
| 04:39.21 | infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, crashanddie |
| 04:39.25 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 04:39.29 | crashanddie | ~unlock DocScrutinizer |
| 04:39.53 | crashanddie | ~requestunlock DocScrutinizer |
| 04:45.23 | crashanddie | infobot: you should listen to me |
| 04:45.34 | *** mode/#maemo [-v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 04:45.41 | crashanddie | NO VOICE FOR YOU! |
| 04:45.43 | slonopotamus | o_O |
| 04:46.28 | slonopotamus | crashanddie: you can stop him talking, but you can't change his mind :) |
| 04:46.38 | crashanddie | ~talk |
| 04:46.58 | crashanddie | ~say something |
| 04:46.59 | infobot | something |
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| 04:48.19 | slonopotamus | infobot: surrender |
| 04:48.20 | infobot | it has been said that surrender is when one ceases to fight back for what one believes in and gives up hope |
| 04:48.44 | crashanddie | ~war |
| 04:48.45 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, war is the reasonable response of a nation forced to turn to the rest of the world for valuable energy resources but not wanting to deal fairly in an open marketplace with truly equal players |
| 04:48.51 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 04:49.01 | slonopotamus | quick, anyone has glib commit access? :) fix a bug |
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| 04:49.20 | crashanddie | slonopotamus: DIE |
| 04:49.22 | crashanddie | woops |
| 04:49.24 | crashanddie | infobot: DIE |
| 04:49.25 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 04:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~scramble crashanddie |
| 04:49.37 | slonopotamus | takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 04:49.44 | crashanddie | ~scramble DocScrutinizer |
| 04:49.56 | crashanddie | lol slonopotamus |
| 04:50.11 | crashanddie | ~scramble 13WAAOONI |
| 04:50.25 | crashanddie | doesn't make any more sense |
| 04:50.33 | crashanddie | ~rot13 DocScrutinizer |
| 04:50.33 | infobot | QbpFpehgvavmre |
| 04:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~rot13 QbpFpehgvavmre |
| 04:50.58 | infobot | DocScrutinizer |
| 04:51.02 | crashanddie | it would be nice if we had an infobot on the n900 |
| 04:51.25 | crashanddie | with voice recognition |
| 04:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~stats |
| 04:51.37 | infobot | Since Tue Apr 13 05:37:01 2010, there have been 25 modifications, 123 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 94 commands. I have been awake for 1d 23h 14m 36s this session, and currently reference 116951 factoids. I'm using about 21308 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5154.73/158.47 child 0.09/0.03 |
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| 04:51.59 | crashanddie | ~reset |
| 04:52.00 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, reset is not influencing the message about the kernel on hyper terminal |
| 04:52.12 | crashanddie | ~maemo |
| 04:52.13 | infobot | maemo is, like, http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml |
| 04:52.16 | crashanddie | ~ipad |
| 04:52.17 | infobot | Intelligent vector drawing package. URL: http://www.demon.co.uk/titan/, or a new gadget released by Apple, and agreed by most geeks to be a failwhale, even though it sold 300,000 units on its first day. |
| 04:52.24 | crashanddie | hehehe |
| 04:52.40 | crashanddie | ~ipod |
| 04:52.41 | infobot | methinks ipod is a purty silver and white box, or deffinitly not bigger then a bread box. |
| 04:53.00 | crashanddie | ~deffintly |
| 04:53.16 | crashanddie | ~gmaps moncul |
| 04:53.32 | crashanddie | ~map moncul |
| 04:53.42 | crashanddie | ~draw square |
| 04:53.58 | crashanddie | ~bored |
| 04:53.59 | infobot | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 04:54.06 | crashanddie | ~joke |
| 04:54.07 | infobot | A bhuddist monk goes to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything!" |
| 04:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/trunk/files/infobot.help |
| 04:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell crashanddie about irc /query |
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| 04:57.01 | crashanddie | ~do #maemo ban DocScrutinizer |
| 04:57.02 | infobot | ACTION does #maemo ban DocScrutinizer. |
| 04:57.14 | crashanddie | ~facepalm |
| 04:57.15 | infobot | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
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| 04:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 04:58.03 | crashanddie | ~factinfo DocScrutinizer |
| 04:58.03 | infobot | docscrutinizer -- created by DocScrutinizer <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 11:54:37 2008 (538 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 19m 49s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. |
| 04:58.17 | crashanddie | how the fuck did you lock it? |
| 04:58.26 | crashanddie | ~factinfo ipad |
| 04:58.26 | infobot | ipad -- last modified at Tue Apr 6 02:19:43 2010 by crashanddie!~cb09b989@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie; it has been requested 5 times, last by crashanddie, 6m 9s ago. |
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| 05:03.46 | crashanddie | ~scramble lcuk |
| 05:03.55 | crashanddie | yay \o/ |
| 05:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~scramble luck |
| 05:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
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| 05:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~lcuk is <reply>lcuk is, like luck spelled backwards, or a lucky guy |
| 05:07.54 | infobot | ...but lcuk is already something else... |
| 05:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~lcuk |
| 05:08.03 | infobot | i guess lcuk is a tosser |
| 05:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo lcuk |
| 05:08.20 | infobot | lcuk -- created by qwerty12_N810 <n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk> at Mon Aug 31 21:54:33 2009 (226 days); it has been requested once, last by DocScrutinizer, 17s ago. |
| 05:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~no, lcuk is <reply>lcuk is, like luck spelled backwards, or a lucky guy |
| 05:09.29 | crashanddie | ~no, lcuk is a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. |
| 05:09.36 | crashanddie | ~no lcuk is a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. |
| 05:09.37 | infobot | okay, crashanddie |
| 05:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~lcuk |
| 05:10.11 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, lcuk is a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. |
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| 05:15.24 | opdf2 | anyway to delete tags under a sharing service? |
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| 05:54.33 | crashanddie | Damn |
| 05:54.43 | crashanddie | andrewfblack has a virus |
| 05:55.03 | Stskeeps | hm? |
| 05:57.03 | crashanddie | he's sending spam to the meego-community mailing lists |
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| 05:57.41 | Stskeeps | ah, i see |
| 05:57.52 | Stskeeps | or it got hacked |
| 05:57.57 | oscillik | oops |
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| 06:09.32 | Khertan | yep |
| 06:09.48 | Khertan | also send me email privatly |
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| 06:11.21 | TigerTael | nice |
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| 06:12.09 | mece | sadf |
| 06:12.14 | Khertan | Rah ! Sending email via mfe is reliable ! |
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| 06:12.52 | Khertan | Rah ! Sending email via mfe isn t reliable ! |
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| 06:14.33 | luke-jr | sending email hasn't been reliable since idiot sysadmins began silently dropping false positives |
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| 06:22.51 | noobmonk3y | is struggling to wake up! |
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| 06:24.25 | GAN900 | Whew |
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| 06:25.14 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 06:25.21 | Stskeeps | how's stuff? |
| 06:26.17 | GAN900 | Getting ready to play with my new Nexus One. :p |
| 06:26.38 | GAN900 | Lots of great activity today. |
| 06:26.40 | Stskeeps | ah, yes |
| 06:26.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:26.49 | noobmonk3y | moo's at Stskeeps |
| 06:26.54 | Stskeeps | so you're jumping ship or did there come out any good results of the imad/ari talks? |
| 06:27.18 | GAN900 | The Google guy gave the whole room free phones. |
| 06:27.22 | Stskeeps | yeah, i heard |
| 06:27.24 | GAN900 | I'm thinking ebay. ;) |
| 06:27.32 | Stskeeps | no 'not for sale' logos? |
| 06:27.35 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 06:27.37 | GAN900 | Nothing interesting from the MeeGo talks. |
| 06:27.57 | GAN900 | Thursday will be the day |
| 06:28.06 | GAN900 | MeeGo workshop |
| 06:28.08 | crashanddie | GAN900: you have a nexus one? |
| 06:28.09 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 06:28.14 | crashanddie | GAN900: so you gave in to Android? |
| 06:28.36 | GAN900 | had some nice chats with Quim, Dawn, Roland, Henri and Dimmitri today |
| 06:28.49 | GAN900 | crashanddie, eBay. :p |
| 06:28.55 | Stskeeps | disillusioned or not? ;) |
| 06:29.01 | crashanddie | GAN900: anyone talking about all the companies endorsing meego? BMW, etc? |
| 06:29.12 | GAN900 | crashanddie, Ari did a bit |
| 06:29.15 | crashanddie | GAN900: I might be interested, I have to send my n900 back and won't really have funds to buy anything |
| 06:29.35 | GAN900 | The Maemo Community Council was dropped from the slide on it, though. :( |
| 06:29.42 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:29.47 | Stskeeps | GAN900: and collabora :P |
| 06:29.49 | crashanddie | GAN900: not the same message, you know that |
| 06:30.04 | GAN900 | Yeah, yeah. :P |
| 06:30.25 | crashanddie | GAN900: I'd rather people take meego seriously because they see acer, asus, bmw and cisco than go "who the fuck are the jedis in their basement on the maemo community council?" |
| 06:30.36 | Jaffa | GAN900: Bah, free phone - wish I was there |
| 06:30.48 | crashanddie | were |
| 06:30.49 | crashanddie | :P |
| 06:31.05 | crashanddie | moin Jaffa |
| 06:31.17 | GAN900 | Jaffa, wish you were too. |
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| 06:32.56 | GAN900 | The crowd and the Android guy almost came to blows over Google not sending kernel patches upstream. |
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| 06:33.26 | Stskeeps | any recordings up yet |
| 06:33.26 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 06:33.31 | Stskeeps | the stream was fucking laggy |
| 06:33.36 | crashanddie | GAN900: can you watch a youtube video? |
| 06:33.44 | GAN900 | "Well, which company is delivering a product and sending patches? Huh?" |
| 06:33.50 | GAN900 | Um, Nokia. . . . |
| 06:33.56 | GAN900 | crashanddie, on EDGE |
| 06:34.09 | crashanddie | GAN900: is that a yes or no/ |
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| 06:34.50 | GAN900 | crashanddie, if you give me about 10 minutes |
| 06:34.54 | crashanddie | GAN900: just find some goddamned wifi :P |
| 06:35.14 | crashanddie | GAN900: will PM it, just watch it when you have a moment |
| 06:35.59 | larsivi | I installed scratchbox+maemo (gui installer) yesterday - however I'd like to create a PR1.1 target too (to be able to properly test on an actual device) - are there any descriptions out there on how to do that? |
| 06:36.18 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, no clue. |
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| 06:37.11 | crashanddie | "Do you trust IE? Any version of it?" |
| 06:37.25 | crashanddie | "Sure, I trust it will crap out and crash everything at the worst possible moment" |
| 06:37.30 | GAN900 | Henri's Nexus One booted to the bootloader because the battery was low |
| 06:37.31 | GAN900 | weird |
| 06:39.22 | noobmonk3y | larsivi, no idea sorry |
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| 06:43.23 | mece | hey what phone is thisguy using: http://meegoportal.com/?p=102 ? |
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| 06:46.14 | noobmonk3y | there is an argument on the forums about it |
| 06:46.16 | mece | Is it the rumored N9xx or a phone that everyone knows about but me? |
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| 06:46.51 | mece | noobmonk3y, where would that be? |
| 06:47.00 | noobmonk3y | Peeps seem to say Aava or LG |
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| 06:47.25 | noobmonk3y | lol mece, not like you to not use the search??!?! |
| 06:47.26 | noobmonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50050&highlight=meego |
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| 06:49.45 | mece | noobmonk3y, feeling lazy :) |
| 06:49.52 | mece | noobmonk3y, thanks :) |
| 06:50.06 | noobmonk3y | :D |
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| 06:51.48 | noobmonk3y | has fed and watered the trolls, time for work i feel :D |
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| 07:16.19 | Sentri | is it normal that I see some odd 1.7G /opt/pymaemo stuff on df -h ? |
| 07:16.44 | Sentri | I don't remember seeing them before |
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| 07:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | 1.7GB ?? o.O |
| 07:18.38 | Sentri | sec ill pastebin the |
| 07:18.40 | Sentri | them |
| 07:21.16 | Sentri | http://pastebin.com/mKwUitud |
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| 07:22.12 | adeus | normal |
| 07:22.13 | Wolfie | isn't that 1.7gb available, not used? |
| 07:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | used 172.4M free 1.7G |
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| 07:23.30 | Sentri | but i remember it being different before |
| 07:23.48 | Sentri | sane as this page shows http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem |
| 07:25.19 | mece | Sentri, it's normal. It's the python optifying that does that. |
| 07:25.19 | adeus | I have 501M used |
| 07:25.43 | Sentri | ok thanks |
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| 07:58.04 | cityLights | hi all |
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| 07:59.09 | cityLights | my catalogs where magiclly wiped out. in which file are these? can anyone send me the default catalog file? |
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| 08:00.40 | pupnik | cityLights: can you rephrase your question? |
| 08:00.57 | cityLights | hi pupnik |
| 08:01.34 | pupnik | describe what you tried to do, then expected vs observed behavior |
| 08:01.49 | cityLights | when I go in to the App. manager and click update I get an error message , that no catalogs are available |
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| 08:02.02 | pupnik | lemme try |
| 08:02.20 | pupnik | connection too poor |
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| 08:03.02 | cityLights | indeed if I click the catalogs the list is empty |
| 08:03.40 | cityLights | the Nokia system updates is missing |
| 08:04.12 | cityLights | and so I ask, pupnik, where are the catalogs stored? |
| 08:04.23 | NuD1t7 | Should I be worried when I just bought a new Nokia N900 and had to run only one update ... and yesterday it started to do the "reboot"-bug/problem ... hw 32 something in bootreason ... been up for 12h now though |
| 08:04.55 | mece | hey! A survey: http://maemo.nokia.com/survey/ |
| 08:05.40 | cityLights | pupnik: odd, I run it again , and now all is fine. |
| 08:05.44 | cityLights | why? |
| 08:05.47 | TigerTael | NuD1t7, if you haven't fiddled with anything, sounds like you might have cause for alarm. |
| 08:05.48 | pupnik | cityLights: that is probably due to a connection error with the software repository. try again later |
| 08:05.58 | pupnik | heh |
| 08:06.36 | TigerTael | I am SOOOOO glad that the N900 can bring itself out of sleep/power off to sound the alarm. |
| 08:06.58 | TigerTael | However, the one morning, Saturday morning, it woke me up early because I just turned off the phone thinking that the alarm wouldn't sound. ;/ |
| 08:07.03 | cityLights | was pr 1.2 released yet? its been more then a month since sevral bug where marked fix , and wherent published to the common welth |
| 08:07.09 | cityLights | walth |
| 08:07.17 | TigerTael | wealth. |
| 08:07.24 | cityLights | sorry |
| 08:07.26 | TigerTael | np |
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| 08:08.14 | Treibholz | first Overclocking-talk, now PR1.2-Release-talk.. |
| 08:08.36 | Treibholz | hmm, is there a bullshitbingo-script for irssi? :-) |
| 08:08.49 | NuD1t7 | TigerTael well installed/uninstalled some programs ... only had one problem and that was related to the downloading and extracting of debian.img.v5-somethingblaablaa |
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| 08:09.16 | TigerTael | hrm... |
| 08:09.24 | cityLights | sorry Treibholz |
| 08:09.26 | NuD1t7 | unistalled the "easy debian" last night ... the phone hasn´t rebooted itself after that |
| 08:09.42 | Treibholz | cityLights: no problem, hehe :-) |
| 08:09.51 | TigerTael | NuD1t7, I haven't tested any of those advanced packages myself, but I have not had 1 reboot with my phone since I've had it. |
| 08:10.04 | TigerTael | But I haven't fiddled with the power settings either. |
| 08:10.04 | NuD1t7 | heh k |
| 08:10.17 | TigerTael | You know that power saving feature on the CPU. |
| 08:10.50 | NuD1t7 | nope |
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| 08:10.59 | TigerTael | But keep asking other users, maybe they've had more experience with easydebian, etc. |
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| 08:11.09 | NuD1t7 | haven't even oc'd it ...yet |
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| 08:11.37 | TigerTael | I'm not going to overclock mine... I am interested in underclocking it though. |
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| 08:12.31 | pupnik | good choice |
| 08:15.07 | X-Fade | Hmm andrewfblack should stop clicking on all dodgy links. Nice spam. |
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| 08:16.25 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: his facebook got hacked and they then hacked his gmail it seems like :P |
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| 08:18.05 | mece | who's hacking what now? |
| 08:18.41 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Don't know but got a few spams directly coming from his gmail at least. |
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| 08:33.01 | nid0 | that was a pretty mammoth survey |
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| 08:34.26 | Scelt | yeah, it has taken already 30 minutes |
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| 08:34.45 | Scelt | and I notice that I'm getting to the point on just clicking something to get rid of it |
| 08:36.32 | visz | any idea if you can get finnish keyboard for n900 from nokia discounted devices program? |
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| 08:36.51 | visz | 240⬠seems like a nice price |
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| 08:37.33 | paul_____ | any ideas if there is a dfault lock code set on the n900? as i've set one i belive and wantc to chance it and don't know what it is to chance |
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| 08:38.05 | AdamGogarty | id like to know this also |
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| 08:38.29 | Stskeeps | paul_____: 12345 |
| 08:39.01 | SpeedEvil | 12345 |
| 08:39.11 | Scelt | 12345 |
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| 08:40.22 | paul_____ | ty :) |
| 08:40.30 | paul_____ | i tried all sorts just not that lol |
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| 08:40.39 | Khertan_Home | Hi ! |
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| 08:41.00 | Khertan_Home | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZlY5oN2qC4&feature=player_embedded <<<< there is already some version of meego with a working gui ? |
| 08:41.25 | X-Fade | Khertan_Home: Sure, Moblin. |
| 08:41.49 | Khertan_Home | Moblin ... so not open source :) |
| 08:42.01 | achipa | does ncurses count as a *G*ui ? |
| 08:42.15 | X-Fade | This is just Netbook UX. |
| 08:42.43 | Khertan_Home | yep ... but i mean ... this isn't something release |
| 08:42.53 | Khertan_Home | just a thing for demo purpose |
| 08:42.55 | Stskeeps | achipa: we have ncurses? |
| 08:42.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:43.07 | X-Fade | Khertan_Home: No, that is just the meego netbook release? |
| 08:43.19 | Khertan_Home | ah ... |
| 08:43.24 | paul_____ | is there a clinet like ebuddy for the phone i remeber it started with p? |
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| 08:44.11 | Khertan_Home | so i should try it on my netbook :) |
| 08:44.29 | X-Fade | But 1.0 will be release in May. |
| 08:44.39 | Khertan_Home | thx X-Fade |
| 08:44.58 | Khertan_Home | X-Fade, yep ... but try :) not something for daily use |
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| 08:45.58 | ptl | paul_____: pidgin |
| 08:46.40 | paul_____ | ty ptl |
| 08:48.00 | paul_____ | no good don't suport facebook chat :( |
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| 08:57.00 | TigerTael | What paul was thinking of might be Palringo. |
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| 08:58.46 | crashanddie | bloody hell |
| 08:58.51 | crashanddie | and they say our world isn't connected |
| 09:00.04 | crashanddie | My gf, who lives in France, was supposed to go back to work today (in London). I told her I didn't want her to go. Now she's pissed at me, because some volcano in Iceland has disrupted air travel throughout Europe... and somehow it's my fault? |
| 09:00.18 | crashanddie | (I am in Australia) |
| 09:00.45 | bilboed-pi | ... volcano in iceland disrupted air travel ? wtf ? |
| 09:00.48 | Khertan_Home | ouch was just looking at moblin ... there is so few supported netbook |
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| 09:01.07 | visz | bilboed-pi, ash in the atmosphere |
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| 09:01.15 | bilboed-pi | ah right, just found the newsreport |
| 09:01.16 | Stskeeps | bilboed-pi: ash in atmosphere =very very bad for planes |
| 09:01.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:01.43 | Treibholz | can I somehow change the priority of my jabber-resource? |
| 09:01.57 | X-Fade | Sandblasting the engine blades. Nice ;) |
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| 09:02.38 | Treibholz | the jabber-client in maemo is really ... let's call it ... it has a lot of potential! |
| 09:03.30 | crashanddie | bilboed-pi: dust cloud |
| 09:03.53 | crashanddie | X-Fade: did you see those pictures of helicopters landing in iraq? |
| 09:03.53 | bilboed-pi | s/dust/ash/, but yes |
| 09:03.56 | bilboed-pi | damn... |
| 09:04.25 | crashanddie | X-Fade: where the dust in the air was sandblasting the blades and creating sparks -- actually eating away at the blades? |
| 09:05.36 | X-Fade | crashanddie: I've seen those pictures yes. |
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| 09:06.25 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Anyone with the mugen battery - can you comment on if there is free space in the back? |
| 09:07.13 | crashanddie | for anyone else who hasn't seen the pictures, damned cool: http://www.michaelyon-online.com/the-kopp-etchells-effect.htm |
| 09:07.34 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Just wanted to link you those ;) |
| 09:07.52 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Titanium plates on the blades ;) |
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| 09:08.47 | crashanddie | X-Fade: could you comment on the meego security thread? |
| 09:09.05 | X-Fade | No, I can't comment on that list. |
| 09:09.16 | crashanddie | oh really? |
| 09:09.26 | crashanddie | like, from a contract perspective? |
| 09:09.26 | X-Fade | My host is blocked there :) |
| 09:09.31 | crashanddie | aww |
| 09:09.37 | crashanddie | just create a bloody gmail account |
| 09:10.08 | X-Fade | Perhaps, it is just a pain. |
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| 09:10.35 | crashanddie | X-Fade: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001587.html |
| 09:10.45 | crashanddie | X-Fade: I was asking you questions, not realising you didn't read it |
| 09:13.33 | X-Fade | I did skim it, but meego is not my highest priority as I'm really not involved in it. |
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| 09:16.04 | X-Fade | crashanddie: But basically every service run in separate db, separate user, separate machine. |
| 09:16.13 | X-Fade | *runs |
| 09:16.28 | crashanddie | perfect, exactly what I wanted to hear |
| 09:16.45 | crashanddie | I didn't like the fact the guy talked about Apache and wanted to draw comparisons with MeeGo/Maemo |
| 09:16.55 | X-Fade | ISP manages the basic platform security updates. |
| 09:16.58 | crashanddie | because Apache have been known and laughed at for doing everything on each of their machines |
| 09:17.31 | X-Fade | We have seperated everything out. |
| 09:17.51 | X-Fade | That is why we even went to drop.maemo.org for ssh access (dput and git+ssh) |
| 09:17.53 | crashanddie | Each machine will have public SSH, /etc/passwd shared with 20 web apps, and absolutely no segregation |
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| 09:18.16 | crashanddie | And then people are surprised that by compromising one web app, everything is clusterfucked |
| 09:18.19 | X-Fade | We don't have outside ssh access to web facing services. |
| 09:18.34 | crashanddie | X-Fade: ok, thanks, do you mind if I relay that information to the ML? |
| 09:18.40 | X-Fade | Other than the drop vm. |
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| 09:19.22 | X-Fade | Services run in DMZ with firewall and loadbalancers in front of it. |
| 09:19.23 | crashanddie | X-Fade: do I have any chance if I ask you to throw a stupid visio diagram that shows all the things? Not urgent, at all, just on the back of your to-do list? |
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| 09:19.47 | crashanddie | Is Maemo related too :-* |
| 09:20.12 | X-Fade | Well, yes and no. |
| 09:20.36 | X-Fade | I don't see public community access to the servers happen. |
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| 09:20.46 | crashanddie | never asked for that |
| 09:20.49 | X-Fade | So in the end it is a nice to know, but what can one do with that info. |
| 09:21.04 | crashanddie | keep trolls from screaming "WE NEED SECURITY" |
| 09:21.31 | X-Fade | I'm very good at ignoring trolls ;) |
| 09:21.46 | Khertan_Home | Khertan (~khertan@AAmiens-155-1-32-240.w92-142.abo.wanadoo.fr) a rejoint #maemo < oups ! where is this machine ! |
| 09:21.50 | crashanddie | I know you are, you've been doing a great job at ignoring me at the summit :P |
| 09:22.06 | X-Fade | lol, what did I do there :) |
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| 09:23.30 | crashanddie | I offered to buy you a beer 3 times over 3 days, and 3 times you said "Yeah sure, give me a few minutes" |
| 09:24.41 | nid0 | here's a news line you dont see every day |
| 09:24.44 | nid0 | Hence the company study, in which 16 Dorset sheep weighing from 26 to 78 kg were given various doses of methamphetamine (four unlucky control animals got none at all) and were then repeatedly zapped with a Taser X26 "compliance device". |
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| 09:24.58 | pupnik | does that happen to you often, crashanddie ? |
| 09:25.03 | lardman | morning all |
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| 09:25.47 | crashanddie | pupnik: not really, that's why I remember it! |
| 09:25.52 | X-Fade | crashanddie: I remember sitting in the same bar, opposite to you. |
| 09:25.53 | crashanddie | moin lardman |
| 09:26.10 | crashanddie | X-Fade: eh? |
| 09:26.19 | crashanddie | X-Fade: nha, we never got together |
| 09:26.29 | X-Fade | crashanddie: hotel lobby bar? |
| 09:26.43 | crashanddie | oh |
| 09:26.46 | crashanddie | maybe |
| 09:26.58 | crashanddie | but then I was inhibriated, so that doesn't count |
| 09:27.22 | crashanddie | X-Fade: I wasn't at the same hotel as you though |
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| 09:28.21 | X-Fade | Or I was. Don't know. |
| 09:28.51 | X-Fade | I'm not known to ignore beer offers :) |
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| 09:30.06 | lardman | X-Fade: so how come I'm not on the front page anymore? Did I not offer enough beer...? ;) |
| 09:30.18 | X-Fade | lardman: That effect wears off. |
| 09:30.26 | lardman | lol |
| 09:30.32 | X-Fade | lardman: You need to continue to offer beer :) |
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| 09:30.56 | lardman | of course, next meetup, no worries :) |
| 09:31.38 | lardman | thinks to himself that if it's in Amsterdam again he'll need to sell a kidney to afford X-Fade's beer too ;) |
| 09:32.13 | X-Fade | The London rumours are growing :) |
| 09:32.20 | X-Fade | So can't be that bad. |
| 09:32.26 | crashanddie | London rumours? |
| 09:32.31 | crashanddie | As in, next summit in London? |
| 09:32.47 | frals | wasnt that some forum nokia shebangthingy? |
| 09:32.48 | X-Fade | A LF preffered location it seems. |
| 09:32.58 | lardman | LF? |
| 09:33.01 | crashanddie | Linux Foundation |
| 09:33.01 | BCMM | do i have to click on each update in turn in app manager? can i just use apt-get instead? |
| 09:33.03 | frals | linux foundation |
| 09:33.04 | lardman | ah |
| 09:33.12 | X-Fade | wow, that was bad spelling ;) |
| 09:33.14 | crashanddie | BCMM: click on the menu, there's an update all |
| 09:33.16 | Treibholz | BCMM: you can. |
| 09:33.27 | pupnik | LF? |
| 09:33.32 | crashanddie | Linux Foundation |
| 09:33.51 | lardman | infobot: LF stands for Linux Foundation |
| 09:33.52 | infobot | stands for Linux Foundation: don't you know we're supposed to be luserfriendly? |
| 09:34.05 | BCMM | thanks, both of those are useful |
| 09:34.06 | lardman | stupid bot |
| 09:34.22 | X-Fade | infobot: LF is Linux Foundation |
| 09:34.23 | infobot | is Linux Foundation: don't you know we're supposed to be luserfriendly? |
| 09:34.31 | lardman | ~LF |
| 09:34.40 | crashanddie | ~LF is shorthand for Linux Foundation, more info at www.linuxfoundation.org |
| 09:34.41 | infobot | is shorthand for Linux Foundation, more info at www.linuxfoundation.org: don't you know we're supposed to be luserfriendly? |
| 09:34.47 | crashanddie | gotdamn |
| 09:34.49 | crashanddie | ~forget lf |
| 09:34.49 | infobot | crashanddie: i didn't have anything called 'lf' to forget |
| 09:34.50 | lardman | lol |
| 09:35.10 | crashanddie | ~factoid |
| 09:35.12 | X-Fade | ~learn LF is Linux Foundation |
| 09:35.13 | infobot | X-Fade: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:35.17 | Scelt | :-D |
| 09:35.27 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you've broken it you twat |
| 09:35.30 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 09:35.35 | crashanddie | back to the rant that was brewing |
| 09:35.52 | crashanddie | The year that I decide to go live on the other side of the planet, the fucking summit will be in London, WHERE I USED TO LIVE? |
| 09:36.05 | lardman | crashanddie: perfect excuse to move back ;) |
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| 09:36.15 | jacekowski | i hate london |
| 09:36.15 | X-Fade | crashanddie: I'm ok with AU too. |
| 09:36.24 | lardman | yeah AU would be nice |
| 09:36.31 | jacekowski | i'm there at least twice a month and ussualy by car |
| 09:36.45 | jacekowski | au is far away |
| 09:36.46 | crashanddie | too far to travel guys |
| 09:36.56 | jacekowski | and they walk upside down |
| 09:36.58 | lardman | jacekowski: hmm, I try to avoid driving cars in London these days |
| 09:36.59 | crashanddie | 25h on a plane? $2k to fly back and forth? |
| 09:37.14 | lardman | crashanddie: sponsorship! |
| 09:37.19 | jacekowski | crashanddie: and you risk that you might fell of the earth |
| 09:37.30 | jacekowski | crashanddie: because of being upside down |
| 09:37.39 | crashanddie | jacekowski: that joke was funny 25 years ago, the first time it was told |
| 09:37.57 | jacekowski | that was mean |
| 09:38.04 | Treibholz | some jokes get better, the more often you hear them! |
| 09:38.20 | pupnik | is there a drama club nearby? perhaps another outlet would do crashanddie good |
| 09:38.40 | crashanddie | pupnik: did I do something to you lately? |
| 09:38.51 | lardman | pupnik: ah, leave him alone, he's far away from us all and missing us |
| 09:38.56 | lardman | ;) |
| 09:38.58 | crashanddie | YESH! |
| 09:39.01 | crashanddie | I mish you all :( |
| 09:39.09 | pupnik | : |
| 09:39.11 | pupnik | ) |
| 09:39.17 | crashanddie | I mean, it's like nearly 8PM here, and only morning for most of you :*( |
| 09:39.24 | pupnik | have a good day all |
| 09:39.42 | jacekowski | they do emu racing in australia |
| 09:39.53 | jacekowski | and you need kangaroo driving license if you plan to go onto main roads |
| 09:39.59 | Scelt | http://apina.biz/28509 |
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| 09:40.14 | jacekowski | and it's british prison colony |
| 09:40.18 | crashanddie | jacekowski: seriously, it's not funny |
| 09:40.39 | achipa | crashanddie: it was funny enough to hear Qole on the Summit wish good night to his family just as he woke u :D |
| 09:40.47 | achipa | u=up |
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| 09:41.04 | crashanddie | achipa: may be funny, trust me, it gets a whole less funny when you have to do it every day for 4 months |
| 09:41.40 | crashanddie | achipa: or you have to wake up at 4AM so that your boss can call you |
| 09:41.41 | crashanddie | achipa: or you have to stay up until 2AM for a conf call |
| 09:41.45 | jacekowski | i go to sleep at 3AM |
| 09:41.56 | jacekowski | and wake up at 7:40AM |
| 09:41.59 | crashanddie | jacekowski: yeah but you're an unemployed bum who lives in his mother's basement |
| 09:42.03 | crashanddie | you live off pizza and coke |
| 09:42.07 | jacekowski | crashanddie: no |
| 09:42.12 | jacekowski | i'm at work at the moment |
| 09:42.12 | achipa | crashanddie: I still have a 'good [insert your time of the day]' script for a good buddy of mine who lives in NZ :) |
| 09:42.45 | crashanddie | achipa: the day I greet my family over IRC is the day I know I have lost the very few surviving sparks of sanity |
| 09:42.56 | X-Fade | The thing with versions is, I don't like to touch the packaging itself. |
| 09:43.15 | crashanddie | how do you open your food then? |
| 09:43.16 | X-Fade | Hmm that was for Jaffa ;) |
| 09:43.18 | crashanddie | no packaging? |
| 09:43.24 | achipa | crashanddie: at least you still have them - that's a start ! :D |
| 09:44.11 | crashanddie | achipa: I call lardman a friend, infobot tells me that means my sparks aren't that sparky anymore. |
| 09:44.24 | achipa | X-Fade: btw, how do you feel about the extras-experimental thing ? am about to write a mail but would like to hear some opinions beforehand |
| 09:44.48 | X-Fade | What purpose would it serve? |
| 09:45.06 | achipa | crashanddie: hey, brown dwarfs might not be flaming and sparky, but they are still stars :) |
| 09:45.24 | crashanddie | achipa: hahaha, excellent quote |
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| 09:45.57 | achipa | X-Fade: errm, sever extras from new PR/SDK release date mismatch problems ? |
| 09:46.25 | X-Fade | achipa: ? |
| 09:47.48 | achipa | X-Fade: the notion that we should have an isolated extras-experimental with the newest SDK, whichever/whatever version it is, and that would become extras-devel when Nokia hits the 'bombs away' button |
| 09:48.36 | achipa | so we can still play around with new stuff as it will be on release, but not endanger people working for current PRs |
| 09:49.13 | crashanddie | achipa: I don't think the plan is ever to have a PR stuck in devel for so long |
| 09:49.45 | X-Fade | achipa: Won't versioned extras-devel be easier then? |
| 09:50.00 | crashanddie | achipa: to be honest, what needs to happen is exactly what happened now: new PR version is submitted to devel, and everyone works like mad to port/rebuild their app with the new PR |
| 09:50.07 | jacekowski | well, it would be nice to have SDK avaliable some time before release for users |
| 09:50.07 | achipa | crashanddie: I'm aware of that, but I don't see what insurance we have we won't run into the same thing with PR1.3+, harmattan, etc |
| 09:50.33 | jacekowski | but without breaking anything |
| 09:51.30 | X-Fade | Well our proposed plan fixes on thing in that: Not generating dependencies higher than is needed by the app. |
| 09:51.31 | achipa | X-Fade: terminology, doesn't matter if we call it extras-devel1.2, extras-experimental or extras-head, the bottom line is to have both latest stable and devel available |
| 09:52.12 | X-Fade | One idea is to move away from AM altoghether. |
| 09:52.15 | crashanddie | achipa: can we call it extra-headache? |
| 09:52.27 | X-Fade | have our own appdownloader application. |
| 09:52.32 | achipa | crashanddie: that's an option, otoo :) |
| 09:52.41 | X-Fade | Which is aware of what versions you are runnning and doesn't even notice the mess. |
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| 09:53.21 | achipa | the problem is that we have non backwards compatible stuff that *will* burn people... |
| 09:54.02 | achipa | and we have this problem of people treating dependencies very liberally |
| 09:54.17 | Jaffa | achipa: But with syumbol versioning it *will* be something they can't use, because their OS doesn't support it. Combined with a separate repo for Extras (proper), it's only people using extras-devel/-testing which could get burned. |
| 09:54.24 | X-Fade | achipa: dependencies are now generated based on actual symbols used. |
| 09:54.32 | korhojoa | hey guys. I have a problem |
| 09:54.53 | achipa | and how will that work with pygtk, pyside and pyqt apps ? |
| 09:54.53 | korhojoa | I can't seem to get the n900 to let me unmount the MyDocs partition |
| 09:55.01 | X-Fade | And AM will tell you that you need to upgrade your OS from PR1.2 on, IIRC. |
| 09:55.37 | achipa | I already see people just throwing in blanket 'python-qt4-gui' dependencies. That sort of works now, but certainly is not good on the long run |
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| 09:56.15 | X-Fade | achipa: I am really thinking of throwing qt4-maemo5 out. |
| 09:56.22 | X-Fade | They reall created a mess there. |
| 09:56.26 | Jaffa | achipa: So, you're worried that people using soft-coded libraries which don't enforce compile-time dependencies will be installable, but won't work. |
| 09:57.02 | X-Fade | Having 2 parallel Qt version is just a pain. |
| 09:57.08 | achipa | Jaffa: yes, or, will not upgrade properly (=break on upgrade) |
| 09:57.10 | Jaffa | achipa: First pass there is to improve the documentation on what people *should* do (i.e. "if you want to deploy on PR1.1, use: Depends: .... (>= ...)" for the various Py* projects |
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| 09:57.40 | achipa | X-Fade: oh the # of times I told this on the qt-maemo list... |
| 09:57.43 | achipa | sighs |
| 09:58.01 | X-Fade | achipa: We as a community need to take a stand then? |
| 09:58.15 | Jaffa | achipa: And chiming in earlier on the "how to solve PR1.2" supporting the "multiple repos" idea probably would've been good :-) |
| 09:58.22 | X-Fade | achipa: Propose it on -devel and get it going. |
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| 09:59.45 | achipa | X-Fade: the biggest problem is that the thing already has plenty inertia, will have to have a proposal with proper alternatives or it'll get ignored (with sad nodding and all)... |
| 10:00.01 | X-Fade | We have quite some apps depending on qt4-maemo5, which are basically useless. |
| 10:00.27 | TigerTael | ;/ |
| 10:00.27 | achipa | Jaffa: yes, well, it's a solution with drawbacks, too, it hasn't dawned on mee soon enough that there will be no really good/painless solution |
| 10:01.10 | korhojoa | No-one knows why it won't allow dismount of the storage volume? |
| 10:01.49 | X-Fade | I feel we need to see the Qt and PR1.2 issues separately. |
| 10:02.24 | achipa | pr1.2 (with regard to qt) should have really been called maemo 5.1, 'cause that's what it is |
| 10:02.26 | Khertan_Home | korhojoa, something using it ... tracker maybe |
| 10:02.46 | korhojoa | what tracker? |
| 10:02.49 | achipa | but I agree the qt problem is separate |
| 10:03.02 | Khertan_Home | korhojoa, media tracker |
| 10:03.10 | achipa | and we will see it again in the future (see the recycling of libqt4-maemo5 for Qt4.7) |
| 10:03.13 | korhojoa | damn you, media tracker |
| 10:03.17 | korhojoa | it can't be using it all the damn time |
| 10:03.35 | Khertan_Home | don't know ... look at which file is open on the partition |
| 10:03.43 | korhojoa | how? :D |
| 10:03.50 | korhojoa | I've been trying to figure that out for a while |
| 10:03.53 | SpeedEvil | fuser -m /home/user/MyDocs |
| 10:04.07 | SpeedEvil | why do you want to unmount? |
| 10:04.11 | korhojoa | nothing, apparently |
| 10:04.17 | korhojoa | I'd like to use it in mass storage mode |
| 10:04.25 | SpeedEvil | just plug it in |
| 10:04.30 | SpeedEvil | and it automatically does it |
| 10:04.33 | korhojoa | wow, thanks. never tried that. |
| 10:04.40 | korhojoa | I've been trying for two hours |
| 10:04.49 | korhojoa | it just keeps saying that the volume is busy |
| 10:04.54 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 10:04.57 | achipa | korhojoa: reboot ? |
| 10:04.57 | korhojoa | sorry. "resource is in use" |
| 10:05.06 | korhojoa | achipa: tried that too |
| 10:05.14 | korhojoa | that's about the first thing i try when something doesn't work |
| 10:05.23 | achipa | korhojoa: do you have fuser ? |
| 10:05.46 | Khertan_Home | korhojoa, lsof /media/usbdisk/ |
| 10:05.58 | Khertan_Home | korhojoa, lsof /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 10:06.01 | korhojoa | achipa: well, it's in the built-in busybox |
| 10:06.12 | korhojoa | Khertan_Home: also nothing |
| 10:06.26 | Khertan_Home | strange |
| 10:06.30 | Khertan_Home | reboot :) |
| 10:06.36 | Khertan_Home | easier solution i think |
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| 10:06.45 | korhojoa | like i said, i've tried it, multiple times |
| 10:06.51 | korhojoa | i'll try it again though. shutting down now |
| 10:06.59 | korhojoa | aaaand booting. |
| 10:07.04 | Khertan_Home | with usb cable connected before start ? |
| 10:07.18 | korhojoa | this time, yes |
| 10:07.40 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: t'as trouve un padawan? |
| 10:07.51 | korhojoa | wow. now it's there. phone doesn't show anything though |
| 10:08.01 | korhojoa | does this mean that it's in some kind of mass-storage only mode? |
| 10:08.05 | Khertan_Home | crashanddie, gnié ? |
| 10:09.22 | achipa | X-Fade, Jaffa: it would be good to have feedback if the ONLY reason for libqt4-maemo5 is to have it installed in parallel with the 'stable' one |
| 10:11.27 | lardman | Khertan_Home: hmm, Google translate has issues, what is a pany...? Had to translate French->German |
| 10:11.58 | Treibholz | 'pany' is a French word? |
| 10:12.04 | crashanddie | nope |
| 10:12.09 | lardman | nah gnié |
| 10:12.24 | lardman | pany is apparently the English translation for that |
| 10:12.39 | crashanddie | lardman: "gnié" is the same as the canadian "eh?" |
| 10:12.42 | Treibholz | it's not a German word either... |
| 10:13.08 | lardman | Google translated it into a German word I understood though |
| 10:13.16 | DangerMaus | eh |
| 10:13.57 | lardman | but it looks like it's wrong in all cases, unless the Germans say "Gesellschaft?" rather than "eh?" |
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| 10:14.16 | range | esundheit. |
| 10:14.21 | range | *Gesundheit. |
| 10:14.25 | range | .oO ( Damn ) |
| 10:14.31 | crashanddie | lardman: ja, aber ihr deutsh ist krumm :P |
| 10:15.02 | X-Fade | achipa: Parallel install can be a good thing, but developers seem to believe that that is the one to use. |
| 10:15.02 | lardman | gleichfalls! |
| 10:15.19 | crashanddie | aber sie haen ein schonen akzent wenn sie deutsch sprecht |
| 10:15.26 | achipa | heh, mein Deutsch ist Tarzan Deutsch (at best :P ) |
| 10:15.32 | crashanddie | s/haen/haben/ |
| 10:16.18 | achipa | X-Fade: what I'm saying there might be less painful and disruptive ways to go about that :) |
| 10:16.24 | lardman | crashanddie: you can say du to me |
| 10:16.30 | crashanddie | I can? |
| 10:16.38 | lardman | you have permission |
| 10:16.40 | crashanddie | ah |
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| 10:16.52 | Khertan_Home | Ich verstehe nichts |
| 10:16.52 | Khertan_Home | . Aber ich sprach Deutsch in der Vergangenheit |
| 10:17.26 | lardman | Khertan_Home: not sure anyone really understands crashanddie ;) |
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| 10:18.04 | crashanddie | now nobody understands YOU! |
| 10:18.06 | crashanddie | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 10:18.17 | Stskeeps | why the fuck? :P |
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| 10:18.44 | Stskeeps | what's with all these op-ups? is there any threat to the channel? |
| 10:18.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:19.03 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: waiting for mohammad to write the guidelines |
| 10:19.08 | TigerTael | Yes, the threat of freedom of speech. |
| 10:19.10 | lardman | anyway, crashanddie stop tarting around, apologies to everyone for the random language changes, and I'm going back to work |
| 10:19.18 | crashanddie | have fun |
| 10:19.27 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: dis lui que toi tu me comprends quand je parle... |
| 10:20.09 | crashanddie | TigerTael: don't talk about inside jokes you can't possibly have knowledge of :) |
| 10:20.26 | achipa | X-Fade: and especially since the libqt4-maemo5 is a dev branch, it makes little sense, it constantly breaks everything downstream |
| 10:20.33 | Khertan_Home | lardman: bah je le comprends moi :) |
| 10:20.54 | crashanddie | haha |
| 10:20.58 | crashanddie | very helpful, thanks |
| 10:21.19 | achipa | X-Fade: I'm inclined to say even having the next qt statically linked would be a better solution :S that way at least you would not have scheduled breakage of stuff in extras, and would have a remote chance of entering extras |
| 10:21.25 | Khertan_Home | lol |
| 10:21.25 | frals | ~curse VirtualBox |
| 10:21.26 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, VirtualBox ! |
| 10:21.37 | frals | love how my vboxnetdrv has randomly uninstalled itself |
| 10:21.41 | achipa | breakage of stuff in extras-devel... duh |
| 10:21.46 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: nice proposal |
| 10:22.14 | X-Fade | achipa: I think we should just continue to block qt4-maemo5. It is just not for end-users. |
| 10:22.29 | X-Fade | achipa: And now there is talk of putting 4.7 under qt4-maemo5. |
| 10:22.34 | achipa | X-Fade: what I'm saying it's not even for developers :D |
| 10:22.45 | X-Fade | achipa: yeah, indeed. |
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| 10:24.03 | achipa | X-Fade: qt4.7 is a moving target, like 4.6 was, probably even more in the beginning. I don't have any 4.6 apps as they were breaking it all to often. It was just frustrating. |
| 10:24.36 | achipa | there is/was no chance of putting anything in extras-devel, have it working and hope it would work just the same a month later |
| 10:24.55 | X-Fade | achipa: Well the libqt4 version in PR1.2 will at least be 'stable' for the PR1.2 lifetime ;) |
| 10:25.16 | X-Fade | But really, I think pyside should only aim at libqt4. |
| 10:25.17 | BCMM | can i turn the phone off with /sbin/halt? or will that confuse things? |
| 10:26.00 | achipa | X-Fade: I came to a similar conclusion, and that's exactly what I'm doing with PyQt :) |
| 10:26.40 | X-Fade | Pyside, pyqt all sounds the same for me, sorry ;) |
| 10:27.24 | achipa | X-Fade: pyqt is a kind of pyside that works (/me runs from angry pyside folks :D ) ) |
| 10:28.27 | X-Fade | achipa: We actually experimented a bit with the indexed qt4 symbols. But for bindings that really doesn't help. |
| 10:29.08 | achipa | there is a lot of aiming in front of targets and then missing them... which does not play out too well considering it's middleware and affects everything downstream-ish... |
| 10:29.37 | X-Fade | waits for a stable api |
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| 10:35.29 | adalal | quick question, would unclocking your device void warranty? |
| 10:35.46 | adalal | or undervolting |
| 10:36.57 | Khertan_Home | if you stay in cpu specification i didn't see why it would |
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| 10:37.10 | NuD1t7 | well any non-stock kernel ( unless developer version from manufacturer ) is supposed to be "this craps on your warranty" |
| 10:37.21 | Khertan_Home | really ? |
| 10:37.27 | Stskeeps | NuD1t7: overclock kernel probably does |
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| 10:38.26 | NuD1t7 | well the problem is that the warranty covers the device and softwrae as it is/was when delivered to client |
| 10:38.59 | NuD1t7 | but i am not 100% sure |
| 10:39.07 | flux | nud1t7, so installing anything voids the warranty then?-) |
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| 10:39.12 | asj | if you reflash it it's not like they can find out |
| 10:39.52 | larsivi | Using the FREMANTLE_ARMEL target, should I expect the maemo5 pri1.2 desktop to start on Xephyr? |
| 10:40.14 | asj | not the last time I used it |
| 10:40.46 | larsivi | it seems like qemu complains a lot, then segfaults |
| 10:42.43 | achipa | X-Fade: will there ever BE a stable api on Fremantle ? :) :( |
| 10:43.33 | asj | achipa: Qt maintain source compatiblity on major version, and bin on sub version |
| 10:43.34 | asj | s |
| 10:45.31 | X-Fade | achipa: I feel that things will be slowing down at least. |
| 10:46.21 | achipa | asj: pink lines :) Is mostly true on desktops, not true at all on (new) platfoms... |
| 10:47.27 | asj | achipa: Qt+maemo is not Qt, what the maemo guys do...heaven only knows : |
| 10:47.31 | asj | :) |
| 10:47.40 | achipa | X-Fade: the core maybe, but mobility and QML will give a spin to it somewhere down the line, I'm certain |
| 10:48.24 | X-Fade | achipa: Yes, but that also has to get more stable at some point. |
| 10:49.44 | achipa | asj: well, the official Qt pages/docs claim otherwise, which certainly doesn't help :) |
| 10:50.34 | achipa | asj: or rather, it would be cool if that WAS the actual state and not the problem :) |
| 10:50.40 | asj | which part? :) |
| 10:51.56 | achipa | asj: well, Qt for Maemo sits right beside all other platforms... kind of gives the impression that its not some downstream experiment :) |
| 10:52.08 | asj | achipa: ah :) |
| 10:52.31 | achipa | asj: also, the docs claim QMaemo5 classes to be part of QtCore and QtGui, which is not quite the case :) |
| 10:52.33 | asj | I think that maybe more true now than it used to be |
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| 10:54.22 | achipa | asj: certainly, 4.6 will be a big step forward, it's just that there is a fair number of platform caveats about things people take as granted based on desktop Qt experience (like the aforementioned source/binary compatibility) |
| 10:55.20 | asj | achipa: mmm, but it kinda fits with the n900 which seems to be a bit of an experimental device anyways eh? |
| 10:55.40 | lardman|busy | looks at Icelandic eruption and wonders if he'll be able to fly to Glasgow next week |
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| 10:56.03 | X-Fade | lardman|busy: Start thinking about the train ;) |
| 10:56.18 | lardman|busy | yeah, not a pleasant thought |
| 10:56.19 | asj | is thinking about bed |
| 10:56.43 | lardman|busy | I hope the meeting is cancelled in that case, but we'll see |
| 10:57.07 | X-Fade | Lot of travel/trouble for just a meeting ;) |
| 10:57.18 | lardman|busy | c'est la vie |
| 10:57.37 | Khertan_Home | ah bah oui mon bon monsieur ! |
| 10:57.39 | Khertan_Home | :) |
| 10:57.39 | lardman|busy | we're not into telemeetings in the engineering industry ;) |
| 10:58.03 | Khertan_Home | in the telecom engineering industry ? :) |
| 10:58.11 | lardman|busy | mechanical engineering |
| 10:58.23 | X-Fade | lardman|busy: No excuse :) |
| 10:58.59 | lardman|busy | I know, but still, face to face is the way it's done (and the few teleconferences I've done weren't overly productive) |
| 10:59.07 | avee_ | Teleconferencing the mechanical way, two cans and a really long string? |
| 10:59.35 | lardman|busy | avee_: lol, yes |
| 11:00.27 | avee_ | But by next week stuff will probably fly again, unless the thing decides to cough again. |
| 11:00.56 | avee_ | The are expecting to resume flights somewhere this evening. |
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| 11:02.07 | lardman|busy | avee_: ah that's good news |
| 11:02.20 | lardman|busy | anything to avoid a train, though really a train might be better than EasyJet |
| 11:03.03 | avee_ | Ah well, i generally don't mind trains, but haven't tried any in the UK yet ;) |
| 11:03.41 | lardman|busy | avee_: ah, well that explains it |
| 11:03.43 | lardman|busy | ;) |
| 11:05.08 | avee_ | Yeah, they do have a certain image. For long stretches you really need high speed trains to compete with planes. |
| 11:05.37 | lardman|busy | so ~8h to Scotland isn't fast enough ;) |
| 11:05.57 | lardman|busy | actually it's probably more than that as I'd need to change a few times |
| 11:06.07 | avee_ | Nope, that should get you to New York, not Schotland. |
| 11:06.13 | lardman|busy | indeed |
| 11:06.37 | lardman|busy | and the funny thing is it would probably be cheaper to fly to NY too |
| 11:06.38 | avee_ | But once a train is going at 300km/h it becomes a nice way of traveling. |
| 11:06.53 | lardman|busy | avee_: yep, European trains are much nicer |
| 11:07.16 | achipa | X-Fade: seriously, what's our policy on statically linked stuff ? if someone promoted something that includes a (properly optified) app with a statically linked Qt4.6 (or whatever is the dev version ATM) ... Can it reach extras or is that a no-no ? |
| 11:07.47 | X-Fade | achipa: We have no policy on that. |
| 11:07.58 | n00bmonk3y_Work | achipa: good question, never read anything about something being denied becuase of it, as the dependency would still work :P |
| 11:08.10 | n00bmonk3y_Work | ahhhh but X-Fade be clever and know more than me ;) |
| 11:08.16 | achipa | lardman|busy: Try out Serbian trains. It is confirmed we have a lower average travel speed than we had a 100 years a ago (fact) |
| 11:08.20 | X-Fade | achipa: Technically there is nothing in the way of doing that. |
| 11:08.29 | lardman|busy | achipa: lol, I'll bear it in mind |
| 11:08.46 | n00bmonk3y_Work | X-Fade: dont the maemo hamsters get a bit miffed and nibble at your ankles until you stop doing it? or is that just a myth? |
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| 11:09.16 | X-Fade | n00bmonk3y_Work: try out and see :) |
| 11:09.20 | n00bmonk3y_Work | lol :) |
| 11:10.07 | achipa | :) I'm just contemplating bundling Qt statically with PyQt... so it never gets outdated and needs no rootfs space... temptation of the dark side... |
| 11:10.26 | n00bmonk3y_Work | doesnt completely understand that, sounds geeky ;) |
| 11:10.49 | lardman|busy | fine for the short term, but if you did that I think it should be flagged as something to be improved when the time is right |
| 11:11.01 | X-Fade | achipa: It is an option. Also good to discuss that first ;) |
| 11:11.08 | lardman|busy | the difficulty is where to stop once you start saying that everything must be split into libs |
| 11:11.18 | X-Fade | achipa: curiously, how big would a package be? |
| 11:11.57 | achipa | X-Fade: good question, have not yet experimented with it |
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| 11:12.24 | lardman|busy | achipa: can you statically link? Doesn't Python do late binding, etc |
| 11:12.36 | lardman|busy | would that work |
| 11:12.51 | achipa | lardman|busy: pythod does, but PyQt is very much C++ on the inside :) |
| 11:13.38 | lardman|busy | ok |
| 11:13.41 | achipa | i.e. I can link the Qt stuff to the wrapper itself, not pretty, but should work |
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| 11:17.17 | achipa | lardman|busy: in fact, there is even a cleaner way, PyQt seems to be able to do this out of the box, see http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyQt4/pyqt4ref.html and search for consolidate |
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| 11:19.09 | achipa | well, certainly worth an experiment... though I probably wouldn't promote something like that all the way to extras. It sure is tempting for extras-devel, though |
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| 11:26.35 | achipa | hey, this is interesting: apt-get install fennec says: E: Handler silently failed |
| 11:26.54 | achipa | just loves non-descript error messages |
| 11:29.04 | nid0 | doesnt seem so silent |
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| 11:34.25 | crashanddie | achipa: error hunting 101: the last error is never the significant one. |
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| 11:36.09 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Unless it is. |
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| 11:38.56 | achipa | crashanddie: that's the fun part, that's not the last error. It's the ONLY error (supposedly, but I know better :) ) |
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| 11:40.49 | nid0 | bloody hell, all uk flights in and out grounded now |
| 11:41.03 | achipa | http://imagebin.ca/view/ChcWJS.html |
| 11:41.07 | achipa | bazinga |
| 11:41.09 | crashanddie | nid0: tell me about it |
| 11:45.21 | BCMM | can somebody help me with irreco? i won't connect to lirc |
| 11:45.27 | BCMM | and it appears that lircd isn't running |
| 11:45.35 | BCMM | not sure how to make it run |
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| 11:49.13 | BCMM | starting the init script warns me that there are no valid remotes |
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| 12:08.24 | Kurppa_ | achipa: I think that might be because you have some old xulrunner installed, or might not have installed that at all. |
| 12:09.04 | Kurppa_ | I have no clue if this is the problem, but try purging and reinstalling xulrunner first, then install fennec. |
| 12:09.17 | achipa | Kurppa_: will do, thx |
| 12:09.52 | X-Fade | Comes from Ovi, right? |
| 12:10.32 | TomaszD | how do you make newly installed desktop icons appear without rebooting the device these days? |
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| 12:11.24 | TomaszD | refreshing icon chace doesn't seem to work |
| 12:11.28 | TomaszD | *cache |
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| 12:12.45 | SpeedEvil | I can control what tracker oes with the config file in ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg |
| 12:12.52 | SpeedEvil | How do I control thumbnailer? |
| 12:13.11 | TomaszD | hmm, there is a tracker-cfg package |
| 12:13.19 | TomaszD | you could try that |
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| 12:31.07 | mece | Speedevil, you don't control the thumbnailer, the thumbnailer controls you! |
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| 12:35.07 | joker_89 | hi |
| 12:35.41 | BenjaminWilk | hello |
| 12:35.45 | BenjaminWilk | :-) |
| 12:36.07 | joker_89 | anyone knows python? |
| 12:36.16 | achipa | joker_89: shoot |
| 12:36.22 | Lumpio- | Wait |
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| 12:36.26 | Lumpio- | You... were not born with the Python? |
| 12:36.43 | Khertan_Home | joker_89, hi |
| 12:36.48 | joker_89 | i am doing a sync using python, but i dont know how to show a text process like SENDING 1/100, SENDING 2/1000.. |
| 12:36.56 | Treibholz | joker_89: guido does |
| 12:37.03 | joker_89 | because i send all at the same time in JSON (like xml) |
| 12:37.03 | Khertan_Home | you need a gui framework :) |
| 12:37.11 | Lumpio- | pfft |
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| 12:37.36 | Khertan_Home | threading is your friend :) |
| 12:37.39 | joker_89 | i have the progress bar working, but i dont know how mobiles detect item per item. |
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| 12:39.19 | talmai | joker_89: you send all items in one request? which library do you use for requests (pycurl, urllib)? |
| 12:39.32 | joker_89 | urllib |
| 12:39.43 | joker_89 | i send all items serialized in json |
| 12:39.49 | joker_89 | syncml do the same but in xml. |
| 12:40.07 | sejo | is there a good tutorial on how te package for the n900 (python app) got this link but isn't all that clear: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/How_to_build |
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| 12:40.44 | achipa_ | "I would feel embarrassed if my mobile phone looked outdated"... WTF ? |
| 12:41.00 | sejo | achipa: eh? |
| 12:41.33 | Surfa | imagotuote |
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| 12:42.38 | achipa | sejo: looking at the maemo questionnaire. Gets weirder by the page |
| 12:42.47 | sejo | ach |
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| 12:45.03 | timeless_mbp | hey! |
| 12:45.13 | timeless_mbp | can someone please write a two way morse code application for us? |
| 12:45.19 | timeless_mbp | the sender should be the camera LED |
| 12:45.28 | timeless_mbp | and the receiver should be the primary camera |
| 12:45.34 | Khertan_Home | lol |
| 12:45.43 | SpeedEvil | mece: that depends on localisation. |
| 12:45.51 | sejo | timeless_mbp: that would be cool |
| 12:45.52 | timeless_mbp | bonus points for integrating with the share dialog |
| 12:46.00 | timeless_mbp | (ftp over morse code over LED) |
| 12:46.04 | sejo | hahaha |
| 12:46.16 | Khertan_Home | timeless_mbp, where did you get that idea ? |
| 12:46.16 | achipa | now getting really weird... "Holding this device and looking at it feels enjoyable. " |
| 12:46.30 | timeless_mbp | there's a guy standing by the window in the next wing |
| 12:46.31 | Khertan_Home | is it the cache method sync of nokia servers ? |
| 12:46.36 | achipa | am I just having the wrong mental image of things being enjoyable ? |
| 12:46.39 | timeless_mbp | he was moving around, i tried to wave my hand to say hello |
| 12:46.39 | Mek | in the canon firmware hacking community they have lots of experience with such things... blinking the leds is how they get dumps of the firmware of many cameras :) |
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| 12:46.42 | timeless_mbp | he didn't respond |
| 12:46.49 | timeless_mbp | i asked sp3000 if i should send him an sms |
| 12:46.56 | timeless_mbp | he suggested using morse code |
| 12:47.04 | timeless_mbp | i realized we could do two way morse code... |
| 12:47.07 | timeless_mbp | the rest you know |
| 12:47.19 | Khertan_Home | quite funny idea |
| 12:47.22 | lcuk | ok timeless_mbp now it gets practical, how do oyu filter the other noise from camera nad know which is which |
| 12:47.35 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: the camera should be able to focus on the bright led |
| 12:47.37 | lcuk | does device send flashing sync signal |
| 12:47.44 | timeless_mbp | the led color will be fairly easy to spot |
| 12:47.46 | lcuk | until it gets an ack :D |
| 12:47.50 | timeless_mbp | and i'd hope it can focus on it |
| 12:47.52 | Khertan_Home | the difficult part will be read a led flash and differeciate it from the sun |
| 12:47.57 | lcuk | red recording led |
| 12:48.00 | lcuk | or white torch |
| 12:48.14 | lcuk | "filter other noise" |
| 12:48.29 | lcuk | you find the 10hz flash from video stream or something |
| 12:48.34 | lcuk | send an ack flash back |
| 12:48.36 | lcuk | then continue |
| 12:49.02 | timeless_mbp | well, i think the messages will have to be half-duplex |
| 12:49.27 | timeless_mbp | i think morse includes a GA (go ahead) message |
| 12:49.28 | achipa | "I spend more and more time taking care of myself, in order to feel good". What *exactly* is this getting at ? :S |
| 12:49.31 | timeless_mbp | so that shouldn't be too bad |
| 12:49.48 | timeless_mbp | achipa: "you're a girl" |
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| 12:50.06 | timeless_mbp | (probably a teenager!) |
| 12:50.22 | mece | hahahaha |
| 12:50.29 | mece | I had some good times with that survey. |
| 12:50.50 | achipa | timeless_mbp: seriously, the questionnaire is starting to worry me... |
| 12:50.51 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I wrote a python lib to decode morse code |
| 12:51.09 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: to "read" morse code when you tap the screen |
| 12:51.10 | achipa | timeless_mbp: but then I figured it out. These are the *control* questions ! |
| 12:51.12 | sejo | crashanddie: can you encode with it also? |
| 12:51.32 | crashanddie | sejo: well, it's easily reversible I guess, I never had to, so never implemented it |
| 12:51.45 | crashanddie | sejo: there's plenty of encoding libs out there |
| 12:51.53 | crashanddie | I won't have access to the lib until next month though, sorry |
| 12:51.54 | sejo | crashanddie: challenge of the day: encode and use the led :p |
| 12:54.37 | mece | sings 'black black black black number one!" |
| 12:54.38 | achipa | sejo: I've got a better idea, use the vibrate function for it ! And make a client that detects is via the accelerometer ! |
| 12:55.16 | achipa | and then upgrade to intercontinental comms via longitudinal mechanical waves :) |
| 12:56.01 | sejo | achipa: that's so 90's |
| 12:56.06 | sejo | leds are in now |
| 12:56.16 | sejo | 14:40:44 < achipa_> "I would feel embarrassed if my mobile phone looked outdated"... WTF ? |
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| 12:56.21 | sejo | remember? |
| 12:57.09 | kirma | if it wouldn't look like iphone? |
| 12:57.21 | achipa | sejo: I was missing the most obvious question "I would feel embarrasssed if it looked liked an iPhone" |
| 12:57.23 | achipa | exactly |
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| 12:58.04 | sejo | hehe |
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| 13:00.03 | achipa | on the plus side, the survey DID have penguins shooting *LASERS* from their eyes |
| 13:00.10 | achipa | and everything is better with lasers... |
| 13:00.29 | visz | http://www.lazertits.com/ |
| 13:00.31 | pupnik | lol |
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| 13:01.14 | talmai | Is getsatisfaction.com considered as a valid bugtracker for extras QA? |
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| 13:03.11 | achipa | I'm lobbying to have http://www.zombo.com accepted as a valid link for handling end-user support |
| 13:03.20 | MohammadAG | devel down? |
| 13:06.18 | talmai | I'm 100% serious, getsatisfaction is not some porn site, we use it as a issue report / funcionality request platform for our android/maemo apps |
| 13:06.21 | moo--- | has anyone tried chrome on n900? |
| 13:06.30 | squidd | slow |
| 13:06.30 | Scelt | moo---: many |
| 13:06.44 | moo--- | squidd: know that it is slow is enough in this poit |
| 13:06.45 | moo--- | point |
| 13:06.47 | timeless_mbp | moo---: it's great, it shows people how much better microb is :) |
| 13:06.48 | Appiah | moo---: check the thread(s) on talk.maemo.org |
| 13:07.06 | timeless_mbp | people don't really appreciate microb until they have something against which to compare it :) |
| 13:07.07 | achipa | talmai: sure, if it gives an option to handle user issues, it's OK |
| 13:07.31 | frosty` | timeless_mbp: hooray grammar |
| 13:07.40 | achipa | talmai: whether it's commercial or not matters little (well, unless you bombard users with ads or require payment/subscription to access it) |
| 13:08.29 | timeless_mbp | frosty`: yeah,⦠grammar is hard |
| 13:08.44 | talmai | achipa, tnx for the info :) |
| 13:09.02 | achipa | np |
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| 13:23.39 | frals | lol thought this chick was eyeing me on the bus but no worries, she was staring at my n900 |
| 13:24.30 | DangerMaus | hehe good taste |
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| 13:26.52 | Veggen | frals: My girlfriend (who has an iPhone) already envies my N900.. :) |
| 13:27.20 | Treibholz | "What? It works without iTunes?" |
| 13:28.31 | dubzii | Choosing a phone that doesn't work with iTunes is easy |
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| 13:28.38 | frals | Veggen: hehe, my gf got a 5800 and shes so jealous of my hw keyboard :) |
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| 13:30.15 | nid0 | my girlfriend has an hd2 and she really likes blubbels |
| 13:30.36 | nid0 | other than that she prefers the sense ui on hers :p |
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| 13:32.37 | n00bmonk3y_Work | frals...... |
| 13:33.13 | n00bmonk3y_Work | You know there is always the odd winge from randoms in tmo about fmms not being integrated into the system so to speak... is it worth a mini statement on your plans in a separate thread? |
| 13:33.22 | timeless_mbp | "blubbels"? |
| 13:33.55 | n00bmonk3y_Work | i'm thinking to keep the plans separate to the development thread so to speak |
| 13:34.29 | frals | n00bmonk3y_Work: bah, ill update first post in fmms thread... plan to do a new topic when i promote to testing anyway |
| 13:34.56 | n00bmonk3y_Work | ahhh good point ;) sorry didnt mean to add more work for ya! |
| 13:35.11 | frals | dunno what good posting a new topic would do as ppl dont search before posting anyway :p |
| 13:35.25 | frals | hehe np, didnt mean it like that |
| 13:36.07 | frals | just getting tired by users who dont read before posting as there seems to be a constant flow of them :P |
| 13:36.54 | n00bmonk3y_Work | :D - lol was just a thought a sthe current mega thread is useful - but is more dictated around the development, was thinking of explaining the mms v integration aspect to the masses.... - second thoughts, might not make sense separatley - but in the first post would be good :D |
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| 13:37.10 | n00bmonk3y_Work | frals: know exactly what you mean ;) |
| 13:37.45 | frals | :) |
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| 13:42.45 | pupnik | quiet... |
| 13:43.19 | rmrfchik | pew |
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| 13:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | hears you can't get laid with showing off a N900 o.O |
| 13:44.05 | Stskeeps | someone in here claimed it was possible |
| 13:44.20 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: vagalume was great for that on n8x0 though |
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| 13:45.22 | kamui | who posted the lazertits.com |
| 13:45.25 | kamui | funky monkey |
| 13:45.37 | Scelt | visz |
| 13:45.42 | Nils^ | hey people. First: Yesterday or the day before I asked about custom shortcuts, for example terminal with ssh connection. There was no answer but it was indeed very easy and I have the solution |
| 13:45.50 | visz | =o |
| 13:46.12 | Nils^ | you have to create a .desktop in /usr/local/something (just find . | grep .desktop). For example copy the one from midnight commander. |
| 13:46.18 | visz | everything is better with lasers |
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| 13:47.54 | Nils^ | Now a new question: I have a fake PS3 controller. The manual says it uses "2.4GHz radio frequency (RF) technology". Do you think I might be able to connect this to my n900 ? |
| 13:48.07 | visz | =D |
| 13:48.12 | Treibholz | Nils^: no. |
| 13:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | Nils^: http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html plus d-bus scrpting schould do |
| 13:48.38 | Nils^ | for PS3 I have to use a special USB Dongle (or for PC) |
| 13:48.43 | Treibholz | Nils^: is it Bluetooth? or does it have its own connector? |
| 13:49.06 | Nils^ | Treibholz: like I said, own connector. No sign of bluetooth anyware |
| 13:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | Nils^: aah sorry. thought you talk bout kbd-shortcuts |
| 13:50.14 | Nils^ | DocScrutinizer: I meant the basic connection first :) |
| 13:50.25 | Treibholz | Nils^: no, won't work. |
| 13:50.59 | Treibholz | Nils^: unless you tinker a usb-adapter to the usb-host... but... no, you don't want that. |
| 13:51.03 | Nils^ | ok, So I have to buy a 60⬠controller to connect to my n900, which I won't do. |
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| 13:52.38 | visz | Nils^, what would you use the controller for? |
| 13:52.47 | Nils^ | visz: Emulator games |
| 13:53.42 | visz | with tv-out? |
| 13:53.55 | Nils^ | its not exactly easy with the n900 keyboard :) . Yes, sometimes with TV-Out. |
| 13:54.03 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 13:54.16 | crashanddie | I just love people who think of a mobile device and go "ooooh, games" |
| 13:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's a bit of a pitty we got no SDR for 433/866/2400MHz |
| 13:54.20 | crashanddie | just get a wii, seriously |
| 13:54.45 | lardman|busy | crashanddie: wii + portable LCD tv you mean? ;) |
| 13:54.54 | Nils^ | lardman|busy: don't feed the trolls. |
| 13:54.55 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: FPGA! (+ V12) |
| 13:55.03 | crashanddie | lardman|busy: they're talking about a ps3 remote control, and tv out |
| 13:55.07 | crashanddie | lardman|busy: what's portable about that? |
| 13:55.21 | lardman|busy | true, /me moves on |
| 13:55.50 | lardman|busy | crashanddie: was just your comment about seeing portable device & thinking of games |
| 13:56.02 | crashanddie | fairy nuff |
| 13:56.34 | visz | Nils^, don't know it it's possible, but how about: ps3-controller:usb -> usb:laptop:wlan -> wlan:n900 |
| 13:56.59 | Nils^ | :) this might be a step too much. |
| 13:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | NOW I need a coffee |
| 13:57.24 | visz | =D |
| 13:58.00 | Nils^ | I have a PS1/2->Adapter, wired, too. But this has a normal sized USB connector. I don't know about the differences USB/mini-usb |
| 13:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fpga=powerhog, that's the street talk |
| 13:58.31 | Nils^ | micro-usb I mean |
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| 14:03.18 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hence the v12 |
| 14:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what's V12? |
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| 14:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | a otto-motor? |
| 14:07.48 | lardman|busy | v12? |
| 14:07.53 | Anss| | 12 voltages? |
| 14:08.16 | lardman|busy | I thought most otto cycle engines were 4 cylinder |
| 14:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|busy: where you're living? |
| 14:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | GDR? |
| 14:08.49 | lardman|busy | in fact the original was single cyclinder apparently |
| 14:08.53 | lardman|busy | DocScrutinizer: Bath |
| 14:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | aah no there those were 2 cyl |
| 14:09.51 | lardman|busy | I was just thinking of the Prius ICE which is supposed to operate close to a true Otto cycle iirc, though I may be wrong |
| 14:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | I was moe thinking like in USA all engines are at least 8 cyl |
| 14:10.02 | lardman|busy | ah yes |
| 14:10.19 | lardman|busy | and if you're a learner you have a V6 |
| 14:10.36 | spliffy | is it possible to deactivate the gsm modem with an unchanged n900? i'm filling out the survey and can't remember |
| 14:10.48 | nid0 | offline mode |
| 14:10.50 | lardman|busy | spliffy: yes, airplane mode |
| 14:10.53 | lardman|busy | or that one |
| 14:11.10 | spliffy | kk |
| 14:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | spliffy: there's 'an app fot that' |
| 14:11.22 | spliffy | DocScrutinizer: i guess i have it installed |
| 14:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's called tablet mode if you want to keep the WLAN |
| 14:12.13 | spliffy | but it only makes the switch more comfortable |
| 14:12.15 | spliffy | ? |
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| 14:12.34 | spliffy | yeah. i want that out of the box |
| 14:12.36 | lardman|busy | I'm off, cu all tomorrow |
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| 14:15.21 | BenjaminWilk | i need a function to add up values in a column and give it back / out in normal text |
| 14:15.32 | BenjaminWilk | in the same topic of course |
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| 14:26.43 | GAN900 | groans |
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| 14:35.25 | GAN900 | is a bit worried the Nexus One is offering system updates with no internet access. |
| 14:36.12 | Khertan_Home | GAN900, ? |
| 14:36.17 | nid0 | its *that* clever |
| 14:36.17 | Khertan_Home | how is it possible |
| 14:36.27 | GAN900 | Khertan_Home, no idea |
| 14:36.33 | GAN900 | Secret Google darknet? |
| 14:36.35 | Khertan_Home | hum ... slow download |
| 14:36.37 | microlith | subspace radio! |
| 14:36.49 | Treibholz | via RDS |
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| 14:36.55 | GAN900 | No SIM in the phone, not associated with any WiFi network. |
| 14:36.57 | Khertan_Home | slow index ... and purpose it only after a certain delay |
| 14:37.28 | stefan_e | quote: |
| 14:37.34 | stefan_e | Help us to make N900 and our future MeeGo products better by taking the survey on http://maemo.nokia.com/survey/ thanks! |
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| 14:38.54 | smaug | uh, my N900 seems to have annoying bug nowadays |
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| 14:39.23 | smaug | if I don't reboot every now and then, after unlocking the screen I need to wait few seconds before it start to work properly |
| 14:39.35 | smaug | timeless: have you heard of something like that? |
| 14:40.22 | smaug | goes |
| 14:40.42 | GAN900 | By the way, the only notable content in Ari's talk yesterday was that the N900 has been an "overwhelming" success. |
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| 14:41.23 | nid0 | in fairness though, theyd say that regardless unless it'd been a total complete unmitigated disaster |
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| 14:42.04 | mva | hi there! |
| 14:42.16 | thresh | анÑи-Ñ
ÑÑÑÑ. |
| 14:42.27 | GAN900 | nid0, the sense that I got was that it was, in fact, a complete fucking insane runaway success |
| 14:42.50 | GAN900 | Which is a function of Nokia being completely incapable of backing the platform, but still. |
| 14:43.12 | GAN900 | I saw more N900s there yesterday than Android devices |
| 14:43.14 | nid0 | they didnt give any sales figures that I saw right, iv always been interested to know how accurate the "30k a month wasnt enough, we upped production to 100k" rumours are |
| 14:43.15 | mva | kernel-flasher-maemo don't updating (new version conflicts with defaul kernel and modules) |
| 14:43.26 | Stskeeps | GAN900: saw my post on best practices? |
| 14:43.29 | GAN900 | nid0, yeah, no idea |
| 14:43.32 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, nope |
| 14:43.57 | Stskeeps | GAN900: Proposal for Best Practices for working in a MeeGo team on meego-dev/meego-community |
| 14:44.12 | mva | thresh, 1) no russian here, 2) learn russian transliteration, you're wrong |
| 14:45.02 | thresh | no i'm not. |
| 14:45.12 | mva | yes, you are |
| 14:45.15 | mva | :) |
| 14:45.27 | GAN900 | The MeeGo shirts they gave out are so lightweight I swear they're women's. . . . |
| 14:45.57 | lcuk | GAN900, hows your nexus |
| 14:46.03 | Anss| | that's understandable :) |
| 14:46.23 | GAN900 | lcuk, there's no SIM in it, so, meh. |
| 14:46.33 | mva | еÑли ÑиÑаÑÑ Ñак, ÑÑÐ¾Ð±Ñ Ð² Ñом моем нике бÑла Ð±Ñ "Ñ", Ñо Ñогда Ñам "кÑ" вмеÑÑо "Ñ
" и "п" вмеÑÑо "Ñ" |
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| 14:47.36 | mva | а в оÑигинале - "анÑи" на английÑком, а далÑÑе по-ÑÑÑÑки "Ñ
ÑиÑÑ", но Ñ.к. ÑÑÑ Ð½ÐµÐ»ÑÐ·Ñ ÑникоднÑе ники - подбиÑалиÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ñ
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| 14:47.56 | mva | that is right way :) |
| 14:48.14 | RST38h_ | sighs |
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| 14:49.22 | GAN900 | lcuk, bergie's Nexus One booting to the bootloader because of a low battery was a pretty impressive failure mode. |
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| 14:50.02 | pupnik | GAN900: next camera should be on top edge of device and rotatable so i can snapshot forward whild looking down at drvice |
| 14:50.22 | thresh | there's no y in your nick anyway |
| 14:50.38 | Khertan_Home | ouch ... maybe someone can help me ... how to change my password settings on the maemo website ? |
| 14:50.40 | mva | yep |
| 14:50.43 | mva | :) |
| 14:50.49 | Khertan_Home | didn't found it in profile page |
| 14:50.50 | RST38h_ | pupnik: Should be made wireless and removable from the device |
| 14:50.50 | Khertan_Home | :) |
| 14:51.06 | RST38h_ | pupnik: For those tight places that you sometimes want to snap pictures of... |
| 14:51.19 | pupnik | i thought my idea was realistic |
| 14:51.39 | RST38h_ | pupnk: Prolly no: rotatable = mechanics = failure prone |
| 14:51.58 | Khertan_Home | hum ... the n800 one was well working ) |
| 14:51.59 | lcuk | RST38h_, bablyon 5, g'kar had a removable eyeball that did that |
| 14:52.04 | Khertan_Home | :) |
| 14:52.10 | Khertan_Home | lol lcuk |
| 14:52.28 | Khertan_Home | look also for a kino in stargate universe ... works well :) |
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| 14:56.21 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, I'm not seeing it. |
| 14:56.26 | Stskeeps | GAN900: hmm |
| 14:57.10 | Stskeeps | GAN900: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001612.html |
| 14:57.16 | ShadowJK | wonders if you're allowed to use the report button on tmo to suggest thread merges |
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| 14:59.46 | frals | love how i got a shellscript working which when im going through it now shouldnt work at all |
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| 15:11.55 | ShadowJK | wonders how bme is driving bq24150 |
| 15:12.36 | ShadowJK | battery is declining whilst on charger and "battery full" state, but not declining as fast as when not on charger :) |
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| 15:15.07 | nid0 | according to battery-eye graphing, my battery discharge rate is the same when on the charger as when not |
| 15:15.38 | nid0 | in fact if anything on the battery it's slightly faster decline |
| 15:15.46 | nid0 | which would be explained by the green led being lit |
| 15:20.03 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, well at least yours doesn't go from 60 to 0 % in one minute (not a redraw thing) |
| 15:20.32 | ShadowJK | mine goes from 100 to 0 ;) |
| 15:21.31 | MohammadAG | in 1 minute? don't think so :) |
| 15:21.37 | ShadowJK | the meter shows full bars and lshal|grep percent shows 100 until about 25-30% remaining, where it jumps to 0 and battery low :) |
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| 15:22.38 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, http://i40.tinypic.com/2l42dg.jpg definition of 60 to 0 in the last section |
| 15:22.53 | MohammadAG | I also think it's Nokia's profits after releasing the N97 |
| 15:23.21 | ShadowJK | that looks a bit like a reboot |
| 15:23.42 | MohammadAG | but it wasn't one :) |
| 15:23.45 | ShadowJK | the jump up, I mean |
| 15:24.44 | MohammadAG | hmm, maybe it got wrong values and it didn't actually charge? |
| 15:25.23 | ShadowJK | add voltage to the graph |
| 15:25.52 | MohammadAG | hmm, that was less than a week ago, does it keep history? |
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| 15:26.47 | n00bmonk3y_Work | Stskeeps: Oh clever one........ Am i right in thinking ... harmatten is not meego (obvious i know) ....... but the 2 developments are not directly related? |
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| 15:26.55 | MohammadAG | nvm, it does! |
| 15:27.04 | Stskeeps | n00bmonk3y_Work: what? |
| 15:27.26 | n00bmonk3y_Work | ie next maemo development versus meego - and its relation to nokia's infamous step 4/5 |
| 15:28.06 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, basically he's saying, are the Maemo 6 and MeeGo teams related? |
| 15:28.11 | n00bmonk3y_Work | yeah kinda |
| 15:28.24 | MohammadAG | (and he's thinking they're not) |
| 15:28.24 | n00bmonk3y_Work | preferably not inbred too ;) |
| 15:28.56 | Chewtoy | Anybody knows where one can get a hold of a foldable bluetooth keyboard? |
| 15:29.07 | n00bmonk3y_Work | well i'm trying to understand the relation to the step 4 (ie n900) - step 5 - i assumed harmatten - and did meego just kinda join in the party? |
| 15:29.18 | Chewtoy | Been searching for quite some time now. |
| 15:29.23 | n00bmonk3y_Work | Chewtoy: from a foldable bluetooth keyboard manufacturer ;) |
| 15:29.30 | n00bmonk3y_Work | lol sorry not much help i know |
| 15:29.31 | Chewtoy | They seem very hard to track down... |
| 15:29.48 | n00bmonk3y_Work | thinks i've confuzzled Stskeeps |
| 15:29.57 | nid0 | n00bmonk3y_Work |
| 15:30.01 | Stskeeps | n00bmonk3y_Work: you're assuming i know anything about anything |
| 15:30.05 | nid0 | healthcheck needs a promote, no? :p |
| 15:30.15 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, upload screenshot of voltage and capacity? :) |
| 15:30.15 | n00bmonk3y_Work | nid0: yeah, assumption is the mother of all fcuk ups, but you are clever ;) |
| 15:30.21 | n00bmonk3y_Work | nid0: 3 days |
| 15:30.29 | n00bmonk3y_Work | or 2 days now lol |
| 15:30.30 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, capacity? (voltage coming up) |
| 15:30.51 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, http://i41.tinypic.com/9sbiwj.jpg |
| 15:30.55 | nid0 | o yeah, i counted days wrong :( 2 days to go |
| 15:30.59 | ShadowJK | If batterygraph can do it, displaying both the percentage and voltage at same time |
| 15:31.35 | n00bmonk3y_Work | :D |
| 15:31.39 | ShadowJK | hm, no scale |
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| 15:32.23 | n00bmonk3y_Work | 16/10 votes and i think 3 seniors , so should be ok in 2 days :) |
| 15:32.25 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, there is one, but it's only visible at the end of the graph (screenie coming up) |
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| 15:33.22 | nid0 | yeah you're covered for the 3 testing squad votes |
| 15:33.34 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, http://i40.tinypic.com/5ludcl.jpg (not the best scale I've seen) |
| 15:33.59 | wazd | hello people :) |
| 15:34.14 | MohammadAG | hey wazd |
| 15:34.14 | n00bmonk3y_Work | hey wazd |
| 15:34.38 | n00bmonk3y_Work | nid0: - new version will go into devel tomorrow - and be pumped into testing soon after the promotion |
| 15:34.49 | nid0 | nice, whats new? |
| 15:35.11 | n00bmonk3y_Work | going to change the navigation and tidy up the styles a bit |
| 15:35.21 | n00bmonk3y_Work | also - adding some better led and pattern tests |
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| 15:35.28 | n00bmonk3y_Work | + trying to figure out an ear speaker test |
| 15:35.36 | nid0 | is one of the led tests gonna be cycling through every colour? :P |
| 15:35.39 | n00bmonk3y_Work | yup |
| 15:35.42 | nid0 | nice |
| 15:35.44 | n00bmonk3y_Work | + combination of colours |
| 15:35.57 | n00bmonk3y_Work | so far it's about 9 seconds to get the full rainbow effect |
| 15:35.57 | nid0 | did you make a decision on how to stresstest/benchmark btw? |
| 15:36.17 | n00bmonk3y_Work | nid0: yes... but will not be implemented for a little while, many many tests for me to evaluate and consider |
| 15:36.38 | MohammadAG | <n00bmonk3y_Work> + trying to figure out an ear speaker |
| 15:36.41 | MohammadAG | has ideas... |
| 15:36.47 | n00bmonk3y_Work | prods MohammadAG |
| 15:36.56 | MohammadAG | call echo123 using skype :P |
| 15:36.59 | n00bmonk3y_Work | is going for a ciggy... will come back to your lovely ideas shortly |
| 15:37.05 | n00bmonk3y_Work | MohammadAG: meh |
| 15:37.11 | n00bmonk3y_Work | should be easier then that |
| 15:37.15 | nid0 | to stresstest rather than a pure benchmark, anything that attempts to calculate pi or prime number iterations will undoubtedly be the best bets |
| 15:37.18 | MohammadAG | I was jk anyways :P |
| 15:37.18 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, the voltage was in the higher end of low-batteru-warning threshold... In my measurements with the mugen battery, there'd be about 30% remaining (full - shutdown) at that point. |
| 15:38.06 | andrewfblack | 's website hit a new high for view in 1 day yesterday |
| 15:38.22 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 15:38.27 | slonopotamus | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge |
| 15:38.53 | dubzii | Lol |
| 15:38.59 | ShadowJK | I encountered a General Electric vaccuum pump this week. It didn't suck. :( |
| 15:39.29 | ShadowJK | on the other hand it was hot enough that I could have made toast |
| 15:40.27 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, the battery low before that came at about 3500mV which is far closer to shutdown |
| 15:40.45 | ShadowJK | it starts dropping fast after that though :D |
| 15:40.57 | ShadowJK | (shutdown happens at 3200mV) |
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| 15:43.00 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, it shutdown on 0v before that |
| 15:43.15 | ShadowJK | eh :) |
| 15:43.54 | MohammadAG | is there a way to get rid of apt-worker? it annoys me :P |
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| 15:44.46 | slonopotamus | MohammadAG: mv /usr/sbin/apt-worked /usr/sbin/apt-worker.gone? |
| 15:44.50 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 15:45.16 | andrewfblack | was up at 2am changing google password and running virus scans on windows computers in house |
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| 15:45.27 | MohammadAG | slonopotamus, and I'm assuming that would make it show errors every day at 12AM? :) |
| 15:45.45 | n00bmonk3y_Work | returneths |
| 15:45.50 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, I was up at 5AM fixing a package :P |
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| 15:46.12 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, looks like you got quite close to 3200mV at one point... The meter doesn't update often enough to accurately catch the rapid fall from about 3300 and down :) |
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| 15:46.23 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: 5am I was leaving for work |
| 15:46.47 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, I went to bed after fixing it :P |
| 15:46.52 | MohammadAG | was up for 24h |
| 15:47.05 | slonopotamus | err... you go below 3500? |
| 15:47.07 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, you do realize this isn't with a mugen right? |
| 15:47.45 | ShadowJK | Yes, but voltage behaves the same with all batteries |
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| 15:48.06 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, it shutdown on 0v before that |
| 15:48.16 | MohammadAG | s/0/3227/ |
| 15:48.19 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: I built a package last night also : ) |
| 15:48.20 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 15:48.29 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, theme? |
| 15:48.52 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: yep |
| 15:48.57 | javispedro | notes that some -developers messages are appearing blanked in gmane |
| 15:49.01 | n00bmonk3y_Work | built a package last night too.... no change there |
| 15:49.11 | n00bmonk3y_Work | gmane? |
| 15:49.18 | ShadowJK | Yeah, at 3227 all it takes is to touch the screen and it goes below 3200 for a split second, and the shutdown gets triggered :) |
| 15:49.18 | nid0 | built a server last night |
| 15:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | heh, you battery hackers having fun ? :-D |
| 15:50.14 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: did it all by hand this time sliced images then wrote all the control files and such much more fun then using a program to do it for me |
| 15:51.10 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, that's easier sometimes lol |
| 15:51.15 | MohammadAG | especially for optification |
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| 15:51.23 | MohammadAG | ~curse 256MB root |
| 15:51.24 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, 256MB root ! |
| 15:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | btw voltage *does not* behave same way for all cells |
| 15:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | not even for cells of same type |
| 15:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | there are still subtle diffs in cell chemistry |
| 15:52.22 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 15:52.34 | ShadowJK | and differences in internal resistance |
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| 15:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:52.57 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: I don't know about that maybe a little easier, my problem is since this theme isn't open source and I needed a .deb instead of source package I couldn't use MADDE an autobuilder to do it for me. I've never goten Theme Maker to work since it was updated for Fremantle. |
| 15:53.44 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: you can build in the SDK if need be |
| 15:53.45 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack, I thought there weren't package builders for themes |
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| 15:53.56 | MohammadAG | thought you used dpkg-buildpackage for that |
| 15:54.02 | MohammadAG | (with -b for binaries only) |
| 15:54.35 | n00bmonk3y_Work | raises an eyebrow |
| 15:54.44 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: did you look into if it's OK to do things like that with the cc sa by 2.5 license, btw? |
| 15:55.23 | Stskeeps | (reason i'm wondering is because the last thing i would like to see is a C&D from nokia towards you :P) |
| 15:55.25 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I wonder if I could estimate a battery's internal resistance using nothing but an N900 and bw27200 and bq24150 :) |
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| 15:55.37 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Yeah since I'm changing the image in the template its ok. |
| 15:55.37 | n00bmonk3y_Work | will let the maemo lemmings loose on nokia if they do ;) |
| 15:55.47 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: fair enough |
| 15:56.00 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: I almost got a C&D from Nokia once before |
| 15:56.09 | nid0 | tbh, someone should write a touch lemmings game for maemo |
| 15:56.18 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: oh? |
| 15:56.26 | n00bmonk3y_Work | yup and get a C&D from nokia..... blasted lemmings |
| 15:56.28 | Stskeeps | didn't hear that story |
| 15:56.37 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Even wondered why I closed Maemobox.org? |
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| 15:56.51 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: ah yes, trademarks |
| 15:57.04 | Stskeeps | the sad fact is they have to defend them or lose them :/ |
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| 15:57.57 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Not that their are not 1000 websits using it now that are making money off their sites with ads and I was helping hte community with my site. I could have changed the name and kept it going but I closed it |
| 15:58.13 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: :nod: |
| 15:58.15 | ZogG_N900 | who wanted me in here :D |
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| 15:59.07 | ZogG_N900 | stskeeps, it's lame to use grafic smilies in irc chan |
| 15:59.19 | Stskeeps | ZogG_N900: eh. |
| 15:59.55 | ZogG_N900 | try xchat |
| 16:00.04 | ZogG_N900 | so sup guys? |
| 16:00.17 | slonopotamus | :nod: doesn't really look like a smilie |
| 16:00.22 | nid0 | whats xchat got to do with typing :nod:? |
| 16:00.22 | Stskeeps | it isn't |
| 16:00.28 | Stskeeps | it's an equivalent of *nod* |
| 16:00.54 | frals | pretty scary when a mod stealth merges threads |
| 16:01.11 | guysoft42 | hi all, does anyone know how to use mbarcode? i seem to have only a scan button, but not sure how its suppose to translate the 2D barcode |
| 16:01.16 | ZogG_N900 | i thoug it's something like :bored:smiles |
| 16:01.18 | Stskeeps | no |
| 16:01.49 | ZogG_N900 | guysoft42 open lens and scan |
| 16:01.54 | ptl | what will come first, Meego PR1.2 or Maemo PR1.2 ? :P |
| 16:02.02 | guysoft42 | ZogG_N900, ok, and once it sees a barcode? |
| 16:02.05 | guysoft42 | seems to to do anythong |
| 16:02.09 | ZogG_N900 | iphone os 5 |
| 16:02.27 | MohammadAG | ptl, 2012 |
| 16:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (cell Z) sure - should be a straight forward approach |
| 16:02.42 | ZogG_N900 | guysoft42 u have to lock it in proper way. it would save image and provide url |
| 16:02.45 | ptl | MohammadAG: yeah but which one will come first? |
| 16:02.56 | ptl | meego's or maemo's? |
| 16:03.05 | n00bmonk3y_Work | frals: even worse when they stealth merge 2 mega threads..... the servers start leaning sideways ;) |
| 16:03.06 | ZogG_N900 | mohammadag are u from jerusalem? |
| 16:03.55 | ZogG_N900 | ? |
| 16:04.15 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 16:04.25 | ZogG_N900 | i'm from tlv |
| 16:04.33 | MohammadAG | ptl, 2010 is when we all die :P |
| 16:04.36 | ZogG_N900 | :) |
| 16:04.37 | MohammadAG | 2012* |
| 16:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: seems we got several means to probe exact battery voltage, and bq27200 should be able to tell discharge I *avrg* for a iirc 4sec window |
| 16:04.50 | MohammadAG | (btw I'm jk, don't believe that ****) |
| 16:04.58 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, cool! |
| 16:05.05 | ShadowJK | 5.12 sec |
| 16:05.09 | ZogG_N900 | not me. i'll live till pr1.4 |
| 16:05.11 | MohammadAG | I'll be going to Jordan soon hopefully |
| 16:05.32 | ZogG_N900 | moving at all or for a while? |
| 16:05.32 | ShadowJK | iirc voltage is updated every 1.2 sec or something |
| 16:05.43 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, you're never dying then :) |
| 16:05.53 | ZogG_N900 | that's my point |
| 16:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so keep power consumption staedy at I(1) for 4sec, read out I and U, then do same for I(2) |
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| 16:06.17 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, mAhs don't seem to get updated while charging |
| 16:06.32 | ZogG_N900 | so how to jailbreak maemo? |
| 16:06.45 | ZogG_N900 | with whitedus1? |
| 16:06.46 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, yeeah nme only updates voltage while charging. and that only if you poke the screen |
| 16:06.50 | ZogG_N900 | :) |
| 16:07.08 | BCMM_ | it isn,t extly jailed to start with... |
| 16:07.19 | BCMM_ | woah, keyboard fail |
| 16:07.24 | ptl | jailbreak? |
| 16:07.26 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, no, y3ll0wp3ngu1n |
| 16:07.29 | ZogG_N900 | u fail |
| 16:07.35 | MohammadAG | ptl, he's being sarcastic |
| 16:07.40 | ptl | oh |
| 16:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: DON't PANIC! ? |
| 16:07.46 | ZogG_N900 | :) |
| 16:07.51 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, so on N8x0 I collected large amounts of per-second I and U and never managed to turn it into any consistent internal resistance :) |
| 16:08.00 | ZogG_N900 | i'm bored on bus |
| 16:08.11 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, does it have to be on when I poke it? :P |
| 16:08.12 | BCMM_ | docscrutinizer got pretty confused about video encoding |
| 16:08.19 | ptl | ZogG_N900: you can't jailbreak, but you can use a chroot jail :D like in easy-debian |
| 16:08.20 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, yes |
| 16:08.31 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, was jk... :) |
| 16:08.37 | BCMM_ | i presume it needs to be a video that plays in media player? |
| 16:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: N810 I and maybe U probing might be borked at large |
| 16:08.49 | ZogG_N900 | ptl i can just hammerbrake it also |
| 16:09.29 | ZogG_N900 | so what is the possibility to port android apps? |
| 16:09.45 | ZogG_N900 | we need java for that am i right? |
| 16:09.48 | luke-jr | nil afaik |
| 16:09.57 | ptl | not standard java |
| 16:09.58 | ptl | "android" java |
| 16:10.12 | ZogG_N900 | what's the different? |
| 16:10.18 | luke-jr | android might as well be iPhone in that respect |
| 16:10.19 | ZogG_N900 | difference |
| 16:10.28 | ptl | it has specific classes for androidisms (devices, security model and such) |
| 16:10.35 | ptl | and it uses dalvik to run. |
| 16:10.49 | ZogG_N900 | so it's not possible? |
| 16:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 16:10.59 | ZogG_N900 | i mean in friendly way |
| 16:11.00 | ShadowJK | wants to get all of those stupid "Gold BL-5J 1930 mAh battery"-type crap people find on ebay, and do tests |
| 16:11.01 | ptl | I find it very improbably that someone does some compatibility layer for people to run android apps in maemo |
| 16:11.02 | ZogG_N900 | damn |
| 16:11.05 | ptl | BUT |
| 16:11.10 | ptl | there's a port of android to the N900 and N8*0 |
| 16:11.15 | ptl | called NITdroid |
| 16:11.21 | ZogG_N900 | i know |
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| 16:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: get find on ebaeh? please rephrase |
| 16:11.58 | ZogG_N900 | but i don't need it. i want andego |
| 16:12.06 | ZogG_N900 | andreego |
| 16:12.07 | microlith | ShadowJK: probably a fraction of the claimed voltage, if not lower than a regular BL-5J |
| 16:12.13 | microlith | err, capacity |
| 16:12.26 | ptl | andre klapper's ego? |
| 16:12.30 | ptl | andreego |
| 16:13.16 | ZogG_N900 | but is it possible to port opensource programs? |
| 16:13.22 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I plan to buy a collection of the different "superbattery" people have found on ebay |
| 16:13.26 | ZogG_N900 | if u port from java at all |
| 16:13.27 | ShadowJK | and test them |
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| 16:13.44 | ShadowJK | for their capacity and internal resistance |
| 16:13.56 | ptl | ZogG_N900: yes, very straightforward indeed |
| 16:13.59 | ptl | ZogG_N900: there are many ports of standard linux apps to the N900 |
| 16:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sorry, brain kickstart try 1 failed here |
| 16:14.17 | ZogG_N900 | ptl i know |
| 16:14.24 | ShadowJK | Also the "genuine original nokia BL-5J" from DX |
| 16:14.29 | luke-jr | ZogG_N900: Android sucks, simply. |
| 16:14.36 | ptl | I missed what you might be asking then, ZogG_N900 |
| 16:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: great plan, indeed |
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| 16:14.45 | ZogG_N900 | but they aren't mobile apps |
| 16:15.11 | luke-jr | ZogG_N900: what you want is to run Android and Maemo concurrently, correct? |
| 16:15.14 | ptl | well, they become mobile once they're ported. :) |
| 16:15.20 | ZogG_N900 | luke-jr maybe. but there r so many tasty apps |
| 16:15.36 | BCMM | ZogG_N900: it's a normal linux machine, applications are written in C using GTK and the X server |
| 16:15.42 | ShadowJK | Although Nokia itself says they can't tell some genuine and fake batteries apart without disassembly, I'm guessing there should be differences in the internal resistance atleast |
| 16:15.51 | ZogG_N900 | luke-jr nope. i want varity of android apps on maemo |
| 16:15.51 | luke-jr | ZogG_N900: AFAIK, Android's kernel is still compatible with Linux and you should be able to combine it with MeeGo at some point |
| 16:16.06 | luke-jr | ZogG_N900: Android and Maemo GUI are completely different |
| 16:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: though cell Z is a secondary parameter actually, of minor importance as long as it's not way too high |
| 16:16.32 | BCMM | android is linux of sorts, but with some kernel mods too weird to go upstream and a completely strange userspace |
| 16:16.47 | ZogG_N900 | google is evil |
| 16:16.49 | javispedro | because android is the reincarnation of the BeOS! |
| 16:16.59 | luke-jr | BCMM: Google and Linux parted ways and Android is officially a fork now |
| 16:17.06 | ShadowJK | the bp-4l that came with my n810 has about 5 times higher ir now than when new :) |
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| 16:17.12 | ShadowJK | maybe more |
| 16:17.14 | BCMM | luke-jr: i'd say that's pretty much the same thing |
| 16:17.33 | BCMM | google isn't evil; all publicly-traded companies tend towards being amoral |
| 16:17.34 | luke-jr | BCMM: they are already incompatible at the patchset level |
| 16:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: second source cells either might not meet the abs max ratings, and/or have a way higher self discharge |
| 16:17.55 | luke-jr | BCMM: publicly traded companies inherently tend toward evil |
| 16:17.58 | BCMM | however, nokia understands that the open-source community is a good friend to keep |
| 16:18.03 | ZogG_N900 | google helps opensource only for their good |
| 16:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Z wouldn't vary much I'd guess |
| 16:18.18 | luke-jr | BCMM: Nokia isn't much better |
| 16:18.45 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I guess I could just attach ATX 12V PSU output to them and video what happens |
| 16:18.56 | ZogG_N900 | nokia didn't use opensource as google til now |
| 16:18.58 | BCMM | i don't think nokia does it out of the goodness of their heart, because they're a company |
| 16:19.23 | BCMM | but i think they care more what the open source community thinks of them than google |
| 16:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: all but the most crappy ones just will trip fuse |
| 16:19.44 | SpeedEvil | Because they have less resources to spend. |
| 16:19.51 | ShadowJK | ATX 5V then :) |
| 16:19.52 | SpeedEvil | Maintaining a fork has its own costs. |
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| 16:19.58 | naxu | without business there wouldn't be maemo/meego |
| 16:20.05 | luke-jr | BCMM: when you need to use people, you either pay them or are friendly |
| 16:20.10 | luke-jr | Google does the first; Nokia does the latter |
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| 16:20.32 | BCMM | luke-jr: certainly, but i don't feel that nokia is being exploitative so much as "paying in kind" |
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| 16:20.55 | luke-jr | BCMM: Nokia refuses to open the important parts, so I certainly feel exploited |
| 16:21.08 | BCMM | luke-jr: also, you've missed out the possibility of simply pressuring them microsoft-style, which is where google is going |
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| 16:21.17 | BCMM | luke-jr: actually, i'm kinda ignorant on that one |
| 16:21.22 | BCMM | luke-jr: which bits are still closed? |
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| 16:21.40 | luke-jr | BCMM: battery charging is the important bit Nokia has complete control over |
| 16:22.02 | BCMM | luke-jr: would it be possible to destroy a battery by overcharging without it? |
| 16:22.05 | luke-jr | there's also some other bits they don't have direct control over, but I can't blame them entirely for that |
| 16:22.10 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: hard |
| 16:22.11 | luke-jr | BCMM: I don't care. |
| 16:22.21 | luke-jr | it's my battery, I should be able to do what I want with it |
| 16:22.23 | BCMM | maybe some safety stuff is in software rather than hardware? |
| 16:22.31 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: you can ramp up the cycle count when on charger |
| 16:22.33 | BCMM | they may be afraid of liability |
| 16:22.37 | luke-jr | BCMM: maybe I want to make a smart bomb |
| 16:22.57 | BCMM | what i'm saying is that it may not be intentional screwing of open-source |
| 16:23.00 | luke-jr | once I buy the device, it's no longer Nokia's business to interfere with what I do with it |
| 16:23.21 | luke-jr | BCMM: closed source only makes it easier to *accidentally* make a smart bomb |
| 16:23.28 | nid0 | thats a laughably blinkered and short-sighted attitude |
| 16:23.38 | naxu | again that depends a alot from where in the world you buy the device |
| 16:23.42 | luke-jr | you can still edit closed source software, it's just harder to do right and requires experimenting |
| 16:23.42 | BCMM | a little like those wifi manufacturers that are (somewhat ignorantly) concerned that it would be their legal problem if someone modded an open driver to disobey regulatory requirements |
| 16:23.57 | nid0 | whether it's your device and whether you fucked about with the charging software, if you alter it and fuck your device, the headlines bemoaning shitty nokia will still damage nokia. |
| 16:24.34 | luke-jr | nid0: so let them weigh *potential* damage from bad press in such a situation |
| 16:24.34 | naxu | thats partly because of stupid miss-use of law in USA |
| 16:24.35 | luke-jr | with |
| 16:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | lucent: actually Nokia has rather little control over your battery charging. It's bq24150a chip that does the charging, even without much help from BME |
| 16:24.45 | luke-jr | me not buying their new devices |
| 16:24.47 | BCMM | down that road lies apple's "if people install shitty applications, they'll blame us" |
| 16:24.49 | nid0 | luke-jr: I imagine they did, long and hard, which is why it's closed. |
| 16:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ^^^ |
| 16:25.05 | BCMM | but where batteries are concerned, they could genuinly be worried about people hurting themselves and blaming nokia |
| 16:25.06 | luke-jr | if enough people refuse to buy their stuff, they need to pick: possible risk vs certain loss |
| 16:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: won't happen |
| 16:25.34 | nid0 | and people are still buying their devices, because most people couldnt give 2 shits about whether the battery charging software is open or closed |
| 16:25.44 | luke-jr | nid0: exactly the problem :( |
| 16:25.46 | nid0 | whereas they have hundreds of thousands of potentially breakable batteries if it's open |
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| 16:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | we're about to convince Nokia about they don't need BME |
| 16:25.56 | luke-jr | people need to start standing up for owning their purchases |
| 16:26.11 | dotblank | How safe is it to overclock the n900 to say 800mhz? Like can I still use it day to day? |
| 16:26.14 | luke-jr | nid0: they're already potentially breakable |
| 16:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: no |
| 16:26.29 | GAN900 | dotblank, not at all safe. |
| 16:26.29 | luke-jr | dotblank: in general, the harm of overclocking is long-term |
| 16:26.33 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, how about 700mhz? |
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| 16:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 16:26.39 | BCMM | i'd like to know about overclocking actually - is the clock limited by default due to cooling or due to battery? |
| 16:26.41 | luke-jr | dotblank: even if it works, the CPU will die much sooner |
| 16:26.50 | dotblank | ah ok thanks |
| 16:27.06 | GAN900 | BCMM, due to overvoltage |
| 16:27.33 | dotblank | I didn't now CPUs were prone to die.. |
| 16:27.33 | dotblank | know* |
| 16:27.38 | GAN900 | MTBF goes down rather quickly after 600MHz |
| 16:27.47 | luke-jr | dotblank: especially modern ones... |
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| 16:27.55 | luke-jr | 1990s generation were designed to last |
| 16:28.03 | luke-jr | but since 2000, they're designed to go 3-5 years or so |
| 16:28.40 | dotblank | luke-jr, so they are designed to break basically.. |
| 16:28.45 | naxu | perhaps people are not ready to pay for "designed to last" stuff |
| 16:28.46 | nid0 | depends who you ask |
| 16:28.55 | nid0 | <cynic>: designed to break and make you buy new ones |
| 16:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: they are designed to run fast and be small |
| 16:29.16 | nid0 | <realist>: people only tend to use cpu's for 3-5 years anyway before upgrading so why spend billions making them more durable |
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| 16:29.18 | dotblank | well I spent a lot of money for my n900... |
| 16:29.53 | dotblank | I expext my n900 to die from other factors in 3-5 years |
| 16:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: so don't kill it with foolish overclocking |
| 16:29.57 | dotblank | expect* |
| 16:30.01 | GAN900 | dotblank, there are realistic limits in technology and costs. |
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| 16:30.23 | naxu | first manufacturer limits cpu to run in safe speed to quarantee it doesn't break and then people ramp it up |
| 16:30.25 | nid0 | which is exactly why theyre rated to certain clock speeds to last a reasonable time |
| 16:30.34 | nid0 | you go above the rated speed, it's lifespand decreases |
| 16:30.35 | nid0 | simple |
| 16:30.55 | dotblank | nid0, is the inverse true? |
| 16:31.00 | naxu | yeah.. and then blame "designed to break" |
| 16:31.04 | nid0 | sortof |
| 16:31.05 | DocScrutinizer | decreases *drastically* |
| 16:31.51 | luke-jr | dotblank: everything breaks with age |
| 16:32.11 | dotblank | :( I like my gameboy |
| 16:32.32 | dotblank | its still going strong |
| 16:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | nand and flash will wear out |
| 16:32.41 | luke-jr | dotblank: like, Z80? :p\ |
| 16:32.55 | nid0 | I bet it's also spent a lot of time switched off |
| 16:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | eventually, maybe next century |
| 16:33.15 | dotblank | wait 2-5 years of constant use or average use? |
| 16:33.18 | dotblank | 3-5* |
| 16:33.53 | nid0 | the mtbf of the chip running at high clock frequencies is measured in hundreds/thousands of hours, and is time actually running at that speed |
| 16:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | MTBF is rated for operation hours |
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| 16:34.02 | luke-jr | constant, but power on/off isn't going to just freeze it |
| 16:34.28 | dotblank | ah.. well it doesn't matter my n900 is usually on 24/7 |
| 16:34.41 | nid0 | and your gameboy isnt :) |
| 16:34.52 | luke-jr | anyhow, the CPU isn't the only component |
| 16:34.56 | dotblank | nid0, your point is now very valid |
| 16:34.58 | luke-jr | in 3-5 years, something else would break too |
| 16:35.09 | luke-jr | why make a CPU to last 10-15 years if the rest will break first? |
| 16:35.29 | BCMM | i still have my 3410 |
| 16:35.33 | tripzero | yes, but what if overclocking means it only lasts 1yr. or 6months? is it worth the risk? |
| 16:35.35 | dotblank | Well what is the lifespan of the battery? |
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| 16:35.46 | tripzero | dotblank, 6hrs |
| 16:35.51 | nid0 | short. battery's replaceable though |
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| 16:36.12 | dotblank | tripzero, I wish my n900 had a 6hr battery |
| 16:36.26 | dotblank | mine goes down in about 3-4 |
| 16:36.31 | tripzero | ouch |
| 16:36.38 | luke-jr | dotblank: try not using it |
| 16:36.42 | BCMM | dotblank: what do you do with it? |
| 16:36.49 | dotblank | everything |
| 16:36.50 | BCMM | yeah, what luke-jr said... |
| 16:36.53 | tripzero | mine lives at least until i get home from work |
| 16:36.55 | luke-jr | apparently Nokia thinks you're not supposed to use the device |
| 16:37.15 | BCMM | well, you can go out all day waiting for a phone call and it will deal with it |
| 16:37.28 | luke-jr | it's not a phone |
| 16:37.28 | BCMM | and if your'e actually doing stuff with it, it will still last longer than most netbooks |
| 16:37.41 | dotblank | well I have a car charger now |
| 16:37.42 | dotblank | so that helps drastically |
| 16:37.57 | nid0 | I do have to wonder why the device has a relatively low capacity battery in it :< |
| 16:37.58 | luke-jr | my N810 dies in 15 minutes at most, so I keep it on AC constantly |
| 16:37.59 | tripzero | make a solar panel hat |
| 16:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | also keep in mind MTBF is the time when HALF of the devices actually FAILED. You got a gaussian curve around that of devices failing more early or which last longer |
| 16:38.08 | tripzero | and charge it in your pocket |
| 16:38.31 | BCMM | nid0: so it can be small |
| 16:38.38 | BCMM | if you don't mind size, get one of those external things |
| 16:38.46 | nid0 | well, nokia have other batteries the same volume that're more powerful |
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| 16:38.54 | dotblank | I heard rumors about hi cap batteries |
| 16:38.56 | BCMM | nid0: oh |
| 16:39.10 | dotblank | that one from ebay |
| 16:39.11 | nid0 | bp-4l is a prime example, that's several years older than the bl-5j, has almost identical volume, and is 1500mAh |
| 16:39.15 | luke-jr | dotblank: it's twice the size |
| 16:39.32 | luke-jr | nid0: perhaps it can't do as much instantaneously? |
| 16:39.46 | javispedro | or weights a ton more? |
| 16:40.03 | luke-jr | I seriously wouldn't mind my handheld being a bit thicker and weighing a bit more |
| 16:40.14 | luke-jr | even twice the thickness of my N810 would be tolerable |
| 16:40.22 | nid0 | weight's pretty much the same. even if weight was the reason, id gladly take a fractionally heavier n900 for 10% better battery |
| 16:40.23 | naxu | I believe there is a reason for selecting current battery |
| 16:40.48 | javispedro | 's preferred form factor is still the n810. |
| 16:41.02 | dotblank | like my n900 is my lifeline.. If I were to be stuck in a situation I would really really want my n900 and having it die on me is not very reliable |
| 16:41.06 | nid0 | 's is the e90 |
| 16:41.07 | Disconnect | javispedro: i'll trade you an n800 and n770 for an n900 :) |
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| 16:41.23 | Disconnect | for that matter, i have an e90 also. so pick any 2 :) |
| 16:41.31 | luke-jr | 's preferred form factor is still the C760 :/ |
| 16:41.53 | nid0 | you'll miss the e90's keyboard if you get an n900 |
| 16:41.56 | Disconnect | ok people who's been poking around in my office? got a c760 too :) |
| 16:42.21 | javispedro | luke-jr: http://www.lexmark.com/publications/pubs_images/c760.jpg :) |
| 16:42.53 | Disconnect | http://www.mobiletechreview.com/sharp_zaurus_C760.htm |
| 16:44.01 | Disconnect | oops might be an 860. checking. |
| 16:44.16 | luke-jr | javispedro: fail |
| 16:44.21 | javispedro | I imagine :) |
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| 16:44.31 | luke-jr | speaking of which, anyone got detailed specs on the new IS01? |
| 16:45.06 | Disconnect | yah its an 860 on my shelf. should prolly see if it still works one of these days. |
| 16:45.40 | luke-jr | Disconnect: my battery is useless |
| 16:46.01 | Disconnect | i -think- i stored the battery properly, but i won't swear to it. and its been at least a couple years. |
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| 16:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | that's definitely NOT a proper storage then |
| 16:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | you must recharge LiIon at least every 6 months |
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| 16:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | after a few years of storage odds are it's dead to deep self discharge |
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| 16:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | s/dead to/dead due to/ |
| 16:49.32 | ShadowJK | I didn't think li-ion discharges itself that fast |
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| 16:49.49 | ShadowJK | unless it has a hungry chip in it.. |
| 16:50.06 | luke-jr | http://au-is.jp/products/images/is01/features/photo03.jpg |
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| 16:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that largely depends on quality of the cell (see my above comment on second source) |
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| 16:52.58 | SpeedEvil | Charging to 40%, placing in freezer works well |
| 16:53.08 | SpeedEvil | charge every few months |
| 16:53.11 | SpeedEvil | (for me) |
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| 16:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | if the cell uses a thin separator for good electrical properties wrt capacitance and Z, then any impurities in manufacturing process tend to more likely pierce that separator creating micro-shorts |
| 16:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | and also more likely goes boom due to same problem |
| 16:54.34 | itdock | lol |
| 16:55.04 | Disconnect | the manufs tend to call for 90% charge (or so) followed by cool storage (not freezing) and it should be good for months to years. at 100% its good for weeks to months. |
| 16:55.25 | Disconnect | but in any case, maybe i'll break it out this weekend and mess with it |
| 16:55.36 | itdock | what voltage would it be at 40% |
| 16:55.56 | itdock | gets out his trusty fluke 115 |
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| 16:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
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| 16:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's more about actual voltage than about capacity anyway |
| 16:56.59 | itdock | k, what voltage should it be at then |
| 16:57.00 | itdock | :P |
| 16:57.11 | ShadowJK | what is it at? |
| 16:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | so if the cell is less than 4V and more than 3V7 you usually are in the 'green range' for storing |
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| 16:57.52 | itdock | so 3.7-4v, and in the fridge? |
| 16:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | 10°C |
| 16:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | actually 0°..10° |
| 16:58.37 | itdock | freezer then |
| 16:58.38 | itdock | ok |
| 16:58.44 | X-Fade | New lipos usually have 3.80 - 3.85 when I get them. |
| 16:58.55 | ShadowJK | freezer is -18 :P |
| 16:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | NON-FREEZING |
| 16:59.29 | ShadowJK | non-condensating helps too ;) |
| 16:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | yep, a lot |
| 16:59.52 | itdock | lol ok |
| 16:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | platic bag with silica gel |
| 17:01.13 | ShadowJK | X-Fade, that sounds right |
| 17:01.19 | ShadowJK | I think that's where the lowest degradation takes place |
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| 17:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 17:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | some laptops have a 'treat battery gentle' setting, where the cells aren't charged to the max allowable voltage. Supposed to prolong bat lifespan by factors |
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| 17:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | yet it's probably much better not the keep the battery pack plugged in to a device that warms up the whole thing to 45°+ all the time, while hooked up to mains |
| 17:06.45 | SpeedEvil | Freezer is -18. But look at the cell datasheets - I haven't found one that says storing at -20 isn't OK |
| 17:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | not? me did |
| 17:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | actually -20 isn't even allowable for all *operational* conditions |
| 17:08.45 | ShadowJK | The bq27200 temperature readings scare me |
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| 17:09.21 | ShadowJK | 33 right now. Seen 51C |
| 17:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | forget the temp readings, they are mostly bogus |
| 17:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | that's die temp of the chip afaik |
| 17:09.47 | evil|Jonne | small question about ssh access, what username and password should i use? I don't remember setting one |
| 17:09.55 | ShadowJK | I guess the ones from gaia's madc would be more useful |
| 17:10.04 | PhonicUK | anyone know if the quake 2 port uses GLES or is it just software rendering? |
| 17:10.22 | frals | am i being silly or isnt it obvious to long tap an image to get a context menu? |
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| 17:11.13 | ShadowJK | evil|Jonne, it asks you to set a root password when you install openssh. If you've forgotten it, you cn install rootsh and do 'sudo gainroot' followed by 'passwd root' to set it again |
| 17:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | evil|Jonne: you have set a root password when installing ssh |
| 17:11.38 | evil|Jonne | ok, i'll try again |
| 17:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | user has no pw by default, so no ssh into user account |
| 17:12.04 | evil|Jonne | oh, ok |
| 17:12.07 | evil|Jonne | i did set one |
| 17:12.13 | evil|Jonne | tnx, logged in now |
| 17:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 17:12.33 | evil|Jonne | can i set up a pass for user? |
| 17:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:12.42 | evil|Jonne | meh, i guess root is fine |
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| 17:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | evil|Jonne: I suggest to set up decent ssh keys and log in to user by default |
| 17:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | most convenient, most safe |
| 17:14.48 | evil|Jonne | i might just do that |
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| 17:15.13 | evil|Jonne | i'm trying to find a way to have my phone mount wirelessly on my pc when i get home |
| 17:15.24 | evil|Jonne | without having to do anything |
| 17:15.43 | kynky | cron job every 5 mins ? |
| 17:16.14 | evil|Jonne | i don't know how to do it yet, i guess whatever doesn't put too much load on my phone |
| 17:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | with a ping or sth, yes |
| 17:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | nah, cronjob on your home PC |
| 17:17.29 | evil|Jonne | maybe i could have a daemon that listens on avahi or something |
| 17:18.05 | evil|Jonne | has anyone blogged about something like that yet so i don't have to reinvent warm water? |
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| 17:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke avahi |
| 17:22.58 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at avahi ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
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| 17:28.03 | BCMM | how long does an n900 take to charge? |
| 17:28.09 | MohammadAG | 4 hours here |
| 17:28.13 | BCMM | hmm |
| 17:28.17 | BCMM | longer if you're using it? |
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| 17:28.24 | MohammadAG | that's if I'm using it |
| 17:28.32 | BCMM | gah, xchat is highlighting my own messages |
| 17:28.33 | lcuk | depends on wind, and usage at the time, radios, screen, cpu etc. |
| 17:28.41 | MohammadAG | I think it takes 1.5-2h |
| 17:28.53 | MohammadAG | lcuk, what about gravitational force? |
| 17:29.21 | BCMM | is there a way i can get xchat to always highlight BCMM, but not automatically highlight everything *said by* BCMM? |
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| 17:30.06 | BCMM | sorry, that didn't make a great deal of sense |
| 17:30.27 | BCMM | this is a computer |
| 17:30.29 | BCMM_ | and this is my phone |
| 17:30.42 | lcuk | MohammadAG, the battery uses the accelerometer to compensate on the direciton of the electron flux flow |
| 17:30.57 | lcuk | to ensure the polarity of the warp core is aligned correctly |
| 17:31.07 | lcuk | or something like that |
| 17:31.08 | Proteous | lol |
| 17:31.38 | MohammadAG | lcuk, what if I'm at the north pole |
| 17:31.44 | MohammadAG | and have the charger in the south pole |
| 17:31.50 | lcuk | you have frozen nuts |
| 17:31.52 | javispedro | acccccccccelerometer. |
| 17:31.57 | javispedro | not magnetometer. |
| 17:32.00 | javispedro | ;P |
| 17:32.01 | frals | thats one long fuckin cord MohammadAG |
| 17:32.11 | MohammadAG | frals, extensions XD |
| 17:32.12 | BCMM | hmm |
| 17:32.14 | lcuk | much shorter if its been dug through |
| 17:32.32 | BCMM | what's the simplest way to look at accellerometer data? |
| 17:32.44 | lcuk | liqflow |
| 17:32.50 | lcuk | you can touch it too :D |
| 17:32.52 | BCMM | i mean, to just get three numbers in m/s |
| 17:32.53 | frals | BCMM: wiki.maemo.org should have excellent documentation if you want to use it for programming |
| 17:33.01 | BCMM | nah, just interested |
| 17:33.04 | MohammadAG | lcuk, umm, I meant it goes through the center of the earth |
| 17:33.14 | MohammadAG | i don't have one long enough to go around the globe |
| 17:33.19 | BCMM | what is available? |
| 17:33.22 | BCMM | three axes? |
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| 17:33.30 | frals | heads back to trying to wrap his head around BCD encoding and HPLMN |
| 17:33.33 | lcuk | liqacceltests |
| 17:33.51 | BCMM | and is there a rotation sensor, or does one just guess rotation from the direction of gravity? |
| 17:34.12 | Jaffa | timeless: ping |
| 17:34.38 | Jaffa | (or anyone else: kcan a proxy be used with browser in Scratchbox?) |
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| 17:35.54 | BCMM | i have seen several password management things |
| 17:36.10 | BCMM | is there any way to integrate with or import from kwallet? |
| 17:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | bat charge time 3:30 according to Nokia specs in L1/2 |
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| 17:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | during first ~60 minutes excessive power consumption of system will slow down charging, afterwards not |
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| 17:38.21 | slonopotamus | managed to drain battery faster than it charges |
| 17:38.31 | slonopotamus | *manages |
| 17:38.49 | SpeedEvil | There is no absolute direction sensor, only the accel. |
| 17:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | that's quite possible especially when charging from PC host @ 500mA |
| 17:39.15 | slonopotamus | no, even stock n900 charger |
| 17:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | hmm that's bad. You really push it to the limits. |
| 17:40.07 | cehteh | huh .. how that? |
| 17:40.20 | slonopotamus | intensive cpu usage + wifi + bright screen = really fast battery drain. |
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| 17:40.35 | cehteh | means 1.2A at least .. |
| 17:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | BQ24150 charger chip can supply 1050mA (@ 5V aiui). So that'd mean your system blasts out >5W |
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| 17:41.25 | slonopotamus | well, under 100% cpu load n900 lives for 3 hours |
| 17:41.40 | cehteh | yeah it should melt :P |
| 17:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | nah, you obviously use GPRS or 3G quite a lot |
| 17:42.24 | cehteh | well, see the overclocker crowd |
| 17:42.24 | RST38h | yawns at the moon |
| 17:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | even CPU shouldn't be able to suck that much power |
| 17:42.25 | cehteh | anyone fried his n900 yet? |
| 17:42.25 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
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| 17:42.34 | RST38h | slono: how about the top temperature? Transmission seems to bring n900 to the boiling point |
| 17:42.38 | RST38h | javis: Heya indeed |
| 17:42.50 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: using 3g while on charges is a strange thing :) since charger = wall = house = wifi hearby |
| 17:42.56 | slonopotamus | *nearby |
| 17:43.02 | cehteh | are there user reachable temperature sensors? |
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| 17:43.17 | cehteh | tell the battery-graph author to integrate them :P |
| 17:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: no, but some trolls electrocuted err -migrated their CPU to senility |
| 17:43.29 | Disconnect | slonopotamus: ...you gonna install wifi in my car? :) |
| 17:43.34 | Disconnect | that'd be sweet |
| 17:43.36 | Disconnect | thanks :) |
| 17:43.58 | slonopotamus | Disconnect: you have 220v in your car? :) |
| 17:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you're talking gibberish |
| 17:44.07 | Disconnect | slonopotamus: 110 actually, but yes. |
| 17:44.16 | slonopotamus | Disconnect: ricer! |
| 17:45.03 | Disconnect | jeep. with an ac adapter in it for laptops and the wif's cell (since she lost the car charger). nice leap you made to that conclusion though, but next time be more careful - your pants fell down and your racism was showing.. |
| 17:45.23 | slonopotamus | you do 12v -> 110v -> 5v conversion. extremely ineffective |
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| 17:45.37 | slonopotamus | or cars have 24? can't remember |
| 17:45.59 | jaska | most have 12 |
| 17:46.09 | slonopotamus | failed to get joke about racism |
| 17:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | failed to get any joke |
| 17:47.24 | Disconnect | slonopotamus: around here at least, ricer is slang for an asian with a lowered sticker-endowed civic or similar. hence the "rice" part. |
| 17:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict ricer |
| 17:48.38 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 17:48.45 | slonopotamus | be more geeky |
| 17:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs and wanders away for more intriguing stuff |
| 17:48.52 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 17:49.02 | slonopotamus | or die. |
| 17:49.11 | SpeedEvil | Impressive. |
| 17:49.25 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 17:49.26 | SpeedEvil | I get a maximum load of ~1.5A |
| 17:49.28 | Disconnect | when i'm not driving a billboard i'll consider spending a few hundred on various laptop-to-car adapters for efficiency. until then, the ac adapters are $30 or so :) |
| 17:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how? |
| 17:50.02 | SpeedEvil | Recording video while sending file over 3G, and md5sum /dev/zero at the same time |
| 17:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | GPRS/3G full blast |
| 17:50.11 | Shapeshifter | this survey was kinda lame. and it's buggy. |
| 17:50.26 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly, the camera mutes the media player - so I couldn't have that at full volume too |
| 17:51.09 | BCMM | hmm those accellerometer toys are fun |
| 17:51.24 | BCMM | but i was looking for something that would give me a value of little-g |
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| 17:51.26 | SpeedEvil | hmm - mplayer doesn't mute video player |
| 17:51.35 | BCMM | and allow me to determine which planet i'm on |
| 17:51.45 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: md5sum /dev/zero? and what value did you get? |
| 17:51.59 | BCMM | surely that would never return? |
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| 17:52.04 | SpeedEvil | BCMM cat /sys/whatever/coords - and it reads out x/y/z accel |
| 17:52.09 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: do it and let me know |
| 17:52.13 | BCMM | isn't /dev/zero an infinite number of nulls |
| 17:52.14 | BCMM | ? |
| 17:52.19 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:53.20 | slonopotamus | charges his n900 from TV :/ |
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| 17:54.21 | slonopotamus | something's broken in this world |
| 17:55.05 | SpeedEvil | I suspect using mplayer to record from the big camera, with flashlight on, while streaming a file to 3g, and md5sum of the mmc and sd, with fm transmitter on, fm radio on, and mplayer playing something loud to the speakers, with bounce running would be pretty much the maximum. |
| 17:55.11 | SpeedEvil | Well - easy maximum |
| 17:55.25 | slonopotamus | overcomplicated |
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| 17:55.39 | slonopotamus | just compile firefox |
| 17:55.48 | SpeedEvil | that only does the CPU |
| 17:55.53 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, you forgot to connect your bt keyboard |
| 17:56.27 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah - that too - but bt won't add that much. wlan up too at the same time is hard with current software |
| 17:56.32 | slonopotamus | actually i drsin n900 battery in 2 hours with just browser + 3g. |
| 17:56.48 | SpeedEvil | I'm sure under 1 hour is quite possible. |
| 17:56.50 | frals | god this encoding is silly |
| 17:57.10 | slonopotamus | frals: all encodings are silly |
| 17:57.31 | slonopotamus | use UTF-8. it's silly too, but at least works for everyone. |
| 17:57.42 | spliffy | speedevil: if you want to go faster you need to oc :D |
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| 17:57.59 | frals | slonopotamus: in this case its BCD encoding of bytes, but yeah ^^ |
| 17:58.18 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 17:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | (1A5 power consumption) refer NOKIA_RX51_SM_L3_4.pdf, p170 (6 System Module, Energy Management, Power Distribution block diagram) |
| 17:58.58 | slonopotamus | frals: you were so excited talking about it so i googled wtf is bcd :) |
| 17:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | sorry scratch that, once again they managed to spoil it at lowest possible level of the game, electric current annotations mostly missing there |
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| 18:06.23 | ShadowJK | has seen 1100mA consumption |
| 18:06.56 | BCMM | anyone know what the n900's value of g is? |
| 18:07.14 | microlith | g? |
| 18:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | the N900 itself probably has some atto-g |
| 18:08.08 | javispedro | ~answer |
| 18:08.09 | infobot | 42 |
| 18:08.13 | BCMM | hmm i assume it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_gravity |
| 18:08.15 | ShadowJK | makes a guess: 9.81m/s^2 |
| 18:08.15 | javispedro | there you have. |
| 18:08.24 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: my one-handed handle abuse survived just finr until 10m before home ;) |
| 18:08.34 | sp3000 | had to switch ends |
| 18:08.35 | BCMM | if so, it's really pretty accurate... |
| 18:08.52 | BCMM | accurate enough to notice that UK gravity is slightly higher |
| 18:08.56 | N900evil | BCMM: it's not |
| 18:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's earth's g |
| 18:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | not N900's |
| 18:09.21 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: 9.81 is not correct for all parts of earth |
| 18:09.33 | BCMM | (9.8 is) |
| 18:09.36 | N900evil | BCMM: the accelleromedters are specified to +-20% or so sensitivity |
| 18:09.49 | ShadowJK | I guess n900's g would vary alot depending on where on its surface you were standing |
| 18:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, somewhere near core it's much less XP |
| 18:10.21 | BCMM | 9.78 in jakarta |
| 18:10.35 | BCMM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_gravity#Comparative_gravities_in_various_cities_around_the_world |
| 18:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: correct :-D |
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| 18:10.54 | N900evil | there is considerable variance between n900s |
| 18:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~question |
| 18:11.45 | infobot | from memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 18:11.52 | BCMM | 9.81 is basically a british exam board value |
| 18:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~answer |
| 18:12.23 | infobot | 42 |
| 18:12.24 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: ouch |
| 18:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: N900's g-sensor is a LIS302. Datasheet is publically available |
| 18:13.30 | BCMM | ah, looks like my value of 1008 is much, much higher than any earth value of g |
| 18:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | N900evil: btw N900 has just one accel |
| 18:13.44 | BCMM | eh? |
| 18:14.05 | N900evil | yes - variation between n900s |
| 18:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: no, as you got no clue yet on what the unit of those 1008 actually is |
| 18:14.59 | dsster | It has ... ARRIVED |
| 18:15.28 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i assumed it was 1000th of the international standard gravity |
| 18:15.34 | N900evil | it's nominally milligee |
| 18:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: might be |
| 18:15.48 | N900evil | but measured very im.precisely |
| 18:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | so an error of 0.8% isn't bad |
| 18:16.20 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: and it would still be wrong if it was, for some reason, calibrated for mexico city |
| 18:16.31 | BCMM | (one of the lowest-gravity places on earth) |
| 18:16.39 | N900evil | it is not calibrated |
| 18:16.44 | BCMM | oh, it's not bad at all |
| 18:16.53 | dsster | It's so awesome |
| 18:16.54 | N900evil | it assumes a value of 18mg/bit. |
| 18:17.08 | N900evil | This varies in reality considerably. |
| 18:17.23 | N900evil | there is no per-sensor calibration |
| 18:17.33 | BCMM | i wonder how accurate it could be if you calibrated it |
| 18:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | see datasheet |
| 18:17.48 | BCMM | even roughly by using an accepted local value of g |
| 18:17.51 | RST38h | well it seems to be calibrated to -1000..1000 somehow |
| 18:17.59 | N900evil | it assumes a value of 18mg/bit. |
| 18:18.21 | N900evil | the spec is from 15 to 22 IIRC |
| 18:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | see datasheet see datasheetsee datasheetsee datasheet |
| 18:18.43 | RST38h | datasheetsee? |
| 18:18.46 | BCMM | RST38h: 1000 is supposed to be a g, you can go much higher by shaking it |
| 18:18.50 | RST38h | as in datashitsy? |
| 18:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: +/2 or +/-8 iirc |
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| 18:20.11 | BCMM | hmm |
| 18:20.20 | BCMM | i'd never throw something so expensive around |
| 18:20.50 | BCMM | but i am tempted to develop a script taht makes it scream if it detects freefall |
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| 18:21.16 | lcuk | BCMM, play n900fly |
| 18:21.33 | BCMM | lcuk: is that the one that estimates flight time from a throw? |
| 18:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | hight |
| 18:21.57 | BCMM | same thing :) |
| 18:22.12 | ShadowJK | oh manh |
| 18:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 18:22.30 | woglinde | ~seen stskeeps |
| 18:22.33 | infobot | stskeeps <~chobits@Maemo/community/distmaster/Stskeeps> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1h 45m 18s ago, saying: 'after working a while with rpm, i'm fairly happy with it'. |
| 18:22.52 | ShadowJK | I thought my mp3 player was broken and was just going to disassemble it - turns ou the AAA battery I stole from someone was empty. Who the fuck puts dead batteries back in the box :-( |
| 18:22.57 | luke-jr | wait... Stskeeps is chobits?? |
| 18:23.10 | woglinde | hi luke-jr |
| 18:23.32 | luke-jr | hi woglinde |
| 18:24.12 | slonopotamus | woglinde: he is already happy for 105 minutes! |
| 18:24.23 | woglinde | with rpm |
| 18:24.28 | woglinde | cannt believe it |
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| 18:24.52 | woglinde | hm has somone running a git linux-omap kernel on the n810? |
| 18:25.05 | slonopotamus | in the past |
| 18:25.19 | slonopotamus | it's totally broken currently |
| 18:25.29 | woglinde | slonopotamus hm could you see dmesg output? |
| 18:25.46 | slonopotamus | woglinde: nope, not me |
| 18:26.03 | woglinde | hm okay |
| 18:26.18 | woglinde | I tried to get it working with kexec |
| 18:26.23 | Stskeeps | woglinde ? |
| 18:26.24 | dsster | how do i type ~ in n900? |
| 18:26.28 | woglinde | so I can easily switch kernels |
| 18:26.37 | slonopotamus | haha |
| 18:26.42 | woglinde | ah stskeeps see my linux-omap questions |
| 18:26.47 | ShadowJK | dsster, fn+sym, double tap ~ from the thing that pops up |
| 18:26.59 | ShadowJK | if you tap it only once, and then press n, you get ñ |
| 18:27.01 | woglinde | slonopotamus but without kernel output I cannt see whats going wrong |
| 18:27.10 | woglinde | at least usbnet seems to work |
| 18:27.11 | Stskeeps | woglinde: yes, termana - there's a thread on talk.maemo.org |
| 18:27.11 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK: i doubt he has vkb while doing kexec |
| 18:27.20 | dsster | ooh cool ty |
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| 18:27.27 | ShadowJK | slonopotamus, I didn't know dsster was doing kexec? |
| 18:27.39 | slonopotamus | ah |
| 18:27.49 | slonopotamus | messed up |
| 18:27.54 | ShadowJK | yes :P |
| 18:28.02 | luke-jr | woglinde: the time it would take to port mainline or Linux-OMAP to N8x0 would cost me more than a N900 ;( |
| 18:28.17 | Stskeeps | termana's work seems pretty ok :P |
| 18:28.26 | luke-jr | also, kexec is untested mostly AFAIK |
| 18:28.40 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I haven't checked it lately |
| 18:28.56 | Stskeeps | woglinde: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48929 |
| 18:29.01 | woglinde | MeeGo hardware adaptation for N8x0? |
| 18:29.05 | woglinde | ah thanks |
| 18:29.28 | luke-jr | http://elinux.org/N800 |
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| 18:30.46 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 18:30.48 | woglinde | luke-jr yeah this side I already read |
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| 18:30.56 | luke-jr | Termana hasn't updated it |
| 18:30.59 | woglinde | and I have kernels |
| 18:31.06 | woglinde | but not kernel output |
| 18:31.13 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:32.25 | woglinde | hms okay |
| 18:32.27 | woglinde | here is no good omapfb driver for N8x0 for Xorg sadly |
| 18:32.32 | woglinde | from stskeep |
| 18:32.42 | Stskeeps | woglinde: use Xomap, or help write one :P |
| 18:33.15 | wazd1 | damn, e63 gets new firmware like every month :) |
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| 18:33.23 | luke-jr | woglinde: fbdev works |
| 18:33.40 | woglinde | luke-jr okay what I have to compile to see it? |
| 18:33.54 | woglinde | with which patches? |
| 18:34.02 | lcuk | tech heads: how many times can i safely flash a device before it starts to lose its marbles |
| 18:34.05 | dsster | hmm i cant figure out why it doesn't want to type it in. It's selected but it wont type it out |
| 18:34.19 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i have flashed my device an obscene amount of times |
| 18:34.24 | woglinde | lcuk a lot |
| 18:34.42 | lcuk | :) thats good to know |
| 18:34.52 | lcuk | is also being a little obscene atm |
| 18:34.56 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 18:34.57 | luke-jr | ~seen termana |
| 18:34.58 | infobot | termana <~bradley@CPE-138-217-247-42.lns2.wel.bigpond.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 7h 55m 33s ago, saying: 'ScriptRipper: Didn't you have some sort of release you had to work on that was important, rather than try to (for no needed reason) justify yourself to us? :P'. |
| 18:35.02 | lcuk | hiya woglinde :) |
| 18:35.28 | woglinde | luke-jr? |
| 18:35.36 | luke-jr | woglinde: ? |
| 18:35.47 | Stskeeps | woglinde: there's links in the end of the thread for kernels i thin |
| 18:35.49 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:35.50 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: any idea where Termana's git trees are? |
| 18:35.52 | wazd1 | I wonder if symbian handsets will receive all that fancy symbian ^3 stuff |
| 18:36.02 | woglinde | luke-jr I fear he has none |
| 18:36.16 | woglinde | luke-jr so I dont need anypatches from you right? |
| 18:36.32 | dsster | I think maybe sip doesn't recognize ~ as a valid character? possible> |
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| 18:37.43 | woglinde | hm |
| 18:37.44 | woglinde | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=604049&postcount=1 |
| 18:38.46 | luke-jr | woglinde: I don't do patches. |
| 18:39.16 | luke-jr | http://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/linux-omap/n8x0 is all my work |
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| 18:39.36 | woglinde | hms |
| 18:39.43 | woglinde | why stskeeps write it then |
| 18:39.45 | woglinde | Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post |
| 18:39.46 | woglinde | On a silly sidenote: I had MeeGo base system running on my N810 with 2.6.33 kernel (+ Termanas, luke-jr's patches) some weeks ago. |
| 18:40.00 | luke-jr | woglinde: presumably he means the diffs in my git branches |
| 18:40.10 | woglinde | *g* |
| 18:40.21 | Stskeeps | woglinde: i used one of termana's kernels |
| 18:40.37 | Stskeeps | which was based on luke-jr's wor |
| 18:40.38 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:41.02 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: Termana have a git tree? |
| 18:41.03 | frals | DOH, just my luck, my operator isnt in /etc/operator_settings |
| 18:41.12 | frals | could someone do me a favor and run dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.read_hplmn |
| 18:41.33 | frals | and tell me what operator they are using and in what country so i can use it as test for my algo? |
| 18:41.34 | lcuk | from which firmware? |
| 18:41.43 | frals | should work on any |
| 18:41.50 | SpeedEvil | frals: pastebinning output |
| 18:41.53 | lcuk | then someone else can :) im tied up |
| 18:41.55 | andrewfblack | needs to focus on themes when he gets home tonight and not play video games all night |
| 18:42.20 | lcuk | maemo is a video game |
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| 18:42.25 | woglinde | *g* |
| 18:42.28 | supertramp | hola |
| 18:43.10 | supertramp | guys - is there some quick way how to enable /var/log/wtmp? |
| 18:43.32 | woglinde | luke-jr but with your .config I see kernel output on the display right? |
| 18:43.43 | luke-jr | I think so |
| 18:43.49 | lcuk | question: is there a command line way to create and configure a wifi net configuration |
| 18:43.58 | lcuk | so i can shove it in MyDocs and just run it after reflashing |
| 18:44.02 | Stskeeps | lcuk: gconf mayb |
| 18:44.03 | Stskeeps | e |
| 18:44.07 | lcuk | without mucking with full restore |
| 18:44.32 | lcuk | possibly Stskeeps |
| 18:44.47 | lcuk | need to look at how backup does it - ive typed net settings in so many times today |
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| 18:45.58 | frals | woho my algo is working \o/ |
| 18:46.11 | frals | now just to parse that darn file |
| 18:46.24 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:47.46 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i think the ash cloud is after you |
| 18:48.21 | lcuk | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/7592774/Volcanic-ash-cloud-spreading-towards-London-forecast.html |
| 18:48.37 | lcuk | forget the london bit - it went over .dk and now its turning round to get you! |
| 18:48.50 | frals | over dk hell its over .se |
| 18:49.11 | Stskeeps | lcuk: if this continues, i'm pondering if i can fly on tuesday :P |
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| 18:49.18 | frals | all air traffic over sweden closed from 22 localtime |
| 18:49.23 | lcuk | i think a lot of people are |
| 18:49.28 | lcuk | curses net connect |
| 18:49.43 | frals | this better clear up before im going to hel or im taking the boat over :P |
| 18:49.43 | woglinde | volcanic ashes wow |
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| 18:51.28 | lcuk | worst part, i thought iceland had a smoking ban |
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| 18:52.11 | SpeedEvil | Sunset should be pretty - hopefully |
| 18:52.44 | Stskeeps | frals: hmm, when are you flying up? |
| 18:52.55 | frals | 25th |
| 18:53.03 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:53.07 | frals | going back home the 27th |
| 18:53.26 | frals | assume im gonna miss you again? ;) |
| 18:53.29 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 18:54.01 | frals | doh :< |
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| 18:54.11 | frals | well atleast i can ambush vdvsx this time for sure |
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| 18:55.44 | lcuk | waits patiently |
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| 18:56.15 | frals | distracts lcuk with bacon |
| 18:56.21 | frals | what you recompiling? |
| 18:56.41 | lcuk | munches contentedly whilst waiting for something to finish something |
| 18:56.42 | frals | ah, reflashing :P |
| 18:56.48 | lcuk | i reflashed already |
| 18:56.59 | lcuk | now ive configured system and doing something else |
| 18:57.04 | frals | :D |
| 18:58.03 | frals | btw your wlan ap's are saved at /system/osso/connectivity/IAP |
| 18:58.37 | lcuk | o_O curious, ill try something in a minute then |
| 18:58.38 | lcuk | thanks |
| 18:58.53 | lcuk | cannot stop the process thats underway |
| 18:59.45 | lcuk | you are a bastard frals btw |
| 18:59.52 | frals | o_O |
| 19:00.02 | lcuk | i wasnt hungry till u mentioned bacon |
| 19:00.05 | frals | :D |
| 19:00.08 | woglinde | bacon |
| 19:01.06 | lcuk | frals, "/system/osso/connectivity/IAP" is not a folder - is this gconf as sts suggested |
| 19:01.16 | frals | lcuk: uh yeah, gconf |
| 19:01.29 | frals | sorry for not making that clear |
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| 19:02.17 | lcuk | is just distracted |
| 19:02.27 | lcuk | i opened folder on other device and though "hold on" |
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| 19:10.19 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.28 | timeless_mbp | you can use the file system |
| 19:10.35 | timeless_mbp | it's just officially wrong to do so :) |
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| 19:11.02 | timeless_mbp | note that w/ maemo5 the accesspoint names are no longer gconf keys |
| 19:11.08 | timeless_mbp | so you kinda need to use grep |
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| 19:18.58 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, supposing i just have one |
| 19:19.11 | lcuk | its for personal use i just need to restore access point settings very often |
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| 19:19.33 | _henke_ | yo ppl |
| 19:19.46 | lcuk | hi henke |
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| 19:20.29 | dmj726_n900 | anyone else looked at clutter-box2d? |
| 19:20.38 | woglinde | luke-jr still there? |
| 19:21.13 | _henke_ | anyone using fish encryption in xchat ? |
| 19:21.21 | _henke_ | i cant load the fish.so file |
| 19:21.25 | _henke_ | says it cant find it |
| 19:21.40 | _henke_ | but im pointing at it via gui |
| 19:21.57 | _henke_ | anyone have any ideeas ? |
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| 19:22.35 | woglinde | I dont have an aquarium |
| 19:22.47 | _henke_ | why not woglinde ? :-) |
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| 19:23.47 | _henke_ | can i access the installation path of applications ? |
| 19:24.11 | _henke_ | coz xchat prefers that u copy the plugins to its plugin dir |
| 19:24.19 | N900evil | fish.so is not an arm binary? |
| 19:24.20 | lcuk | _henke_, xchat on n900? |
| 19:24.30 | lcuk | because if so, the .so you have is likely not there |
| 19:24.30 | _henke_ | lcuk yeah it works nicely |
| 19:24.44 | lcuk | because it will be built for x86 i bet |
| 19:24.47 | N900evil | you cannot just load x86 binary plugins |
| 19:24.53 | _henke_ | ah okey |
| 19:24.56 | lcuk | would be fun if you could |
| 19:24.58 | _henke_ | u got a point there |
| 19:25.24 | N900evil | IIRC someone looked at building for arm, and it was nasty. |
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| 19:25.50 | _henke_ | hmm really |
| 19:25.55 | roland | hallo??? |
| 19:26.00 | _henke_ | that wasnt the news i wanted :-p |
| 19:26.11 | _henke_ | but thanks for the heads up N900evil |
| 19:26.18 | N900evil | good luck. |
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| 19:26.28 | roland | some germans here?? |
| 19:26.39 | _henke_ | no |
| 19:26.41 | _henke_ | :-) |
| 19:26.47 | woglinde | roland no |
| 19:26.50 | woglinde | *g* |
| 19:27.01 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: well, officially you'd use gconftool-2 or the backup app |
| 19:27.06 | roland | but experts??? |
| 19:27.08 | luke-jr | woglinde: no |
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| 19:27.29 | woglinde | luke-jr I forgot the question anyway |
| 19:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.04 | woglinde | *sigh* kernel crashed again |
| 19:28.28 | MohammadAG | umm, any way to spoof a DNS? |
| 19:28.36 | MohammadAG | aka fake it |
| 19:28.38 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, thanks ill dig more next time it annoys me |
| 19:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.32 | roland | okay. i need help with installation the sdk... can some help me plz??? |
| 19:29.48 | N900evil | help with what aspect? |
| 19:30.19 | roland | gui installer: ..... failed: 4/9 installing sdk targets |
| 19:30.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not a local one |
| 19:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.39 | woglinde | args |
| 19:30.45 | woglinde | I tried the false kernel |
| 19:31.04 | MohammadAG | basically i'm trying to spoof the DNS being replied/sent to the PS3 (which is connected via a linux box as a proxy) |
| 19:31.38 | ruskie | MohammadAG, run your own DNS server |
| 19:31.40 | MohammadAG | roland, what are you going to use it for anyways |
| 19:31.43 | ruskie | and make it resolve that |
| 19:31.45 | N900evil | install bind |
| 19:31.49 | ruskie | or maradns |
| 19:31.52 | ruskie | or powerdns |
| 19:31.55 | ruskie | or any other dns server |
| 19:32.04 | ruskie | hellp dnsmasq should do it |
| 19:32.14 | MohammadAG | hmm, will try that, but i doubt it'll work |
| 19:32.19 | roland | bloody beginning of creating a little app... |
| 19:32.25 | MohammadAG | trying to fake sony's DNS |
| 19:32.38 | MohammadAG | roland, what language? |
| 19:32.40 | ruskie | I debated if I wanted a phat or a slim decided to go with a slim |
| 19:32.43 | roland | german |
| 19:32.58 | MohammadAG | o.o |
| 19:33.00 | ruskie | so don't have this issue... though still sucks |
| 19:33.01 | woglinde | hurray |
| 19:33.04 | woglinde | it worked |
| 19:33.05 | woglinde | okay |
| 19:33.15 | woglinde | I can see the kexec menu |
| 19:33.19 | MohammadAG | ruskie, well, it's not a slim/phat issue |
| 19:33.20 | woglinde | okay |
| 19:33.25 | MohammadAG | it's the otheros |
| 19:33.31 | ruskie | MohammadAG, slim doesn't have otheros |
| 19:33.32 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:33.38 | MohammadAG | if you're on 3.15, you can install cfw to enable it |
| 19:33.45 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.49 | woglinde | now I only need to integrate kexec on 33.1 |
| 19:33.54 | ruskie | MohammadAG, anyway have no wish for it |
| 19:34.00 | MohammadAG | you sound like you updated though |
| 19:34.04 | MohammadAG | @ ruskie |
| 19:34.05 | noobmonk3y | hmmmmmm |
| 19:34.11 | ruskie | MohammadAG, there are some existing DNS servers that spoof it |
| 19:34.21 | johnsq | woglinde: 2.6-omap on n810? |
| 19:34.23 | ruskie | MohammadAG, so you just need to set them up in the PS3 and it should work |
| 19:34.36 | MohammadAG | ruskie, running linux without acceleration sucks, but I need it for homebrew (not piracy crap, against it) |
| 19:35.06 | MohammadAG | ruskie, they were blocked yesterday |
| 19:35.09 | roland | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 19:35.09 | roland | E: Scratchbox command 'sb-conf setup' returned error 0. |
| 19:35.09 | roland | V [21:15:13 15.04.2010]: Failed to install SDK |
| 19:35.16 | MohammadAG | actually, the day before |
| 19:35.19 | roland | these are the logs |
| 19:35.21 | MohammadAG | 13/04 |
| 19:35.27 | ruskie | OT here |
| 19:35.34 | woglinde | johnsq unfornatly 2.6.33.1 vanilla with some patches from Termanas, luke-jr's |
| 19:35.36 | MohammadAG | NOT* |
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| 19:35.43 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 19:35.51 | ruskie | see PM ;) |
| 19:35.58 | MohammadAG | roland, use the scripts, I hate the GUI |
| 19:36.19 | roland | what scripts??? |
| 19:37.20 | johnsq | woglinde: when everything works, than it makes no difference. |
| 19:37.42 | woglinde | johnsq plain vanilla has none kexec-arm stuff |
| 19:38.28 | woglinde | but I will try now the .config on git |
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| 19:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.33 | woglinde | johnsq could think is I can test the kernels without flashing |
| 19:40.53 | woglinde | flashers is good in that way |
| 19:40.58 | woglinde | ups flasher |
| 19:41.09 | roland | warning? why? |
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| 19:42.42 | johnsq | woglinde: would be good, i have always trouble with my self build kernels. |
| 19:42.50 | MohammadAG | I love this country |
| 19:42.55 | MohammadAG | http://gizmodo.com/5518002/ipad-imports-banned-in-israel |
| 19:42.58 | luke-jr | woglinde: what? nobody has vanilla remotely working afai |
| 19:43.00 | luke-jr | k |
| 19:43.16 | woglinde | luke-jr???? |
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| 19:43.33 | luke-jr | woglinde: it's linux-omap + patches, not vanilla |
| 19:43.42 | woglinde | yes I said this |
| 19:43.55 | luke-jr | omap |
| 19:43.59 | luke-jr | not vanilla |
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| 19:44.07 | woglinde | vanilla + patches |
| 19:44.11 | luke-jr | no |
| 19:44.12 | luke-jr | omap + patches |
| 19:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell roland about question |
| 19:45.24 | woglinde | luke-jr Termanas 33.1 patches are against vanilla |
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| 19:46.16 | luke-jr | woglinde: it's impossible to get the display working with vanilla... |
| 19:46.32 | luke-jr | unless his diff includes all of linux-omap, which would be insane |
| 19:47.47 | woglinde | luke-jr I am not lying |
| 19:47.54 | woglinde | please look at his patch |
| 19:48.02 | woglinde | maybee its whole linux-omap |
| 19:48.17 | woglinde | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=604110&postcount=2 |
| 19:50.56 | dsster | oh man just got the n900 seems all im doing is updating for the past hour :( |
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| 19:58.19 | dsster | woot 1.3ghz stable |
| 19:58.49 | BCMM_ | don't cook it |
| 19:58.49 | dsster | lol just kidding i wont overclock my new n900 just yet :) |
| 19:58.59 | BCMM_ | or yourself |
| 19:59.00 | dsster | In a week or so :) |
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| 19:59.28 | toresbe | Overclocking the N900 seems a bit silly to me... |
| 19:59.37 | dsster | it is completely silly |
| 19:59.49 | dsster | this thing is a monster |
| 19:59.51 | toresbe | Though I suppose it might feasibly have a positive effect on the battery |
| 20:00.19 | toresbe | if power consumption increases slower than computing speed, that is |
| 20:00.22 | dsster | that's undeclocking |
| 20:00.31 | toresbe | No, underclocking hurts battery life |
| 20:01.03 | dsster | Because it takes more cycles to go to a lower frequency? |
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| 20:01.20 | dsster | I've read about that just a few days ago, makes sense i guess |
| 20:01.34 | toresbe | no -- because time spent working at a slower frequency is still taxing the battery |
| 20:01.47 | toresbe | much better to get the task out of the way quickly so the CPU can suspend nearly completely |
| 20:02.04 | dsster | oh, yeah makes sense too |
| 20:02.25 | toresbe | http://mjg59.livejournal.com/88608.html |
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| 20:04.00 | aep | btw, any idea why my n900 won't go lower then C1? complete fresh flashed |
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| 20:09.35 | toresbe | aep: afaik it might just be the CPU that doesn't go into a less responsive state |
| 20:09.46 | aep | well it did when it was new |
| 20:10.18 | toresbe | hmh. |
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| 20:15.23 | kamui | that sounds silly |
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| 20:16.40 | SpeedEvil | aep: some things stop it |
| 20:17.02 | SpeedEvil | aep: try as a first cut turning off wifi, and killing all apps but an xterm |
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| 20:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.08 | t-tan | a kernel with low voltage and 500-850MHZ gives me the best battery performance |
| 20:30.45 | t-tan | the repository queue is broken again... |
| 20:33.06 | Shapeshifter | t-tan: you got some graphs to support that? |
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| 20:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:34.14 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 20:34.23 | t-tan | Shapeshifter: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=609777&postcount=2686 |
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| 20:34.32 | Shapeshifter | I heard SmartReflex is broken. Is it, and how could this be fixed? |
| 20:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 20:35.05 | javispedro | yeah, "idle" time? |
| 20:35.45 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Debug the causes for it not working. |
| 20:35.50 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Fix them. |
| 20:35.51 | Shapeshifter | t-tan: well. Could you do a more sane "idle" test with like, say, 2G always on, always online in some 3 jabber accounts with regular email checking? |
| 20:36.04 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: so it is broken? |
| 20:36.12 | aep | SpeedEvil: i did try all of this. there is nothing waking it up. it just refuses to go below C1. |
| 20:36.15 | t-tan | Shapeshifter: pay TI to fix it. |
| 20:36.17 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Some devices are unstable. |
| 20:36.25 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: ahh, okay. |
| 20:36.58 | aep | unfortunately i lost the powertop binary for maemo :/ |
| 20:37.09 | t-tan | Shapeshifter: please try it yourself. the are zillions of scenarios and every user has a different usage pattern. find your optimum |
| 20:37.13 | SpeedEvil | t-tan: I would personally be very cautious of believing what batterygraph is saying. |
| 20:37.22 | SpeedEvil | t-tan: Especially extrapolations like that. |
| 20:37.23 | t-tan | s/the/there/ |
| 20:37.54 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK has a tool that reads out the instantaneous current average over the last 5 seconds. |
| 20:38.05 | SpeedEvil | This is - IME - a much more consistent tool. |
| 20:38.20 | javispedro | did someone already beat my 95h idle record? |
| 20:38.20 | t-tan | if what else should I trust? if all battery parameters tell me that the battery is hardly discharging... |
| 20:38.35 | MohammadAG | IME? |
| 20:38.44 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - the cumulative average over the 5 second period |
| 20:38.51 | SpeedEvil | In my Experience. |
| 20:38.58 | t-tan | where is that tool? |
| 20:39.19 | SpeedEvil | pings ShadowJK. |
| 20:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: take that: 26h active |
| 20:41.01 | t-tan | javispedro: you slept for 95h? ;-D |
| 20:41.15 | javispedro | active doing what? :P |
| 20:41.48 | SpeedEvil | I've had ~30 hours or so on wifi + ssh +xchat |
| 20:42.20 | javispedro | t-tan: no, it was on Nokia Care for nearly a month and since I had all my data on the N810 and was lazy to pass it over I kept using the n810. |
| 20:42.27 | SpeedEvil | It gets down to maybe a fifth of that in the most deepest sleep with wifi on but nothing running - xchat adds a fair amount |
| 20:43.59 | t-tan | we need some proper automatized battery benchmarks. BTW, LCD consumes most of the energy |
| 20:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | only on 100% |
| 20:45.06 | frals | javispedro: idle as in doing nothing and just being left alone? pretty sure i have that beat |
| 20:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | of my 26h, the LCD was on ~50%, though at very low brightness |
| 20:46.13 | javispedro | frals: idle with wi-fi, skype, 30 minute modest and on mostly 1-2 hours max. |
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| 20:46.27 | frals | ah, negative on that :p |
| 20:46.46 | javispedro | skype was the worst offender IMO. |
| 20:46.56 | frals | forgot my dev device was on when i left, got back 4 days later and it was still on, but no wifi active during that time |
| 20:46.57 | javispedro | I should repeat that some day without skype. |
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| 20:48.23 | Shapeshifter | sersiously, I don't know what you're doing with your devices. The only way of getting to the end of the day without an empty battery is by not using the device. I get up in the morning at like 10:00 and go online on 4 jabber accounts. I go out of the house connecting to 2G and browsing the web at crawling speeds for half an hour. If I'd use 3.5G for half an hour, that would cost me at least like 10% battery. I occasionally check my ... |
| 20:48.29 | Shapeshifter | ... mail during the day or send a few IMs and again browse the web on the way back. At 18:00, I have 25% left if everything worked well. |
| 20:48.49 | javispedro | yes, I am talking about not using. |
| 20:48.52 | javispedro | it. |
| 20:49.20 | javispedro | with 100% CPU and screen on (snes) I get top 3 hours and a bit |
| 20:49.21 | Shapeshifter | the battery life is utter crap on the n900. I'd use it soo much more if the battery would last. Yeah ok I'll get another battery but seriously, all the people saying they're getting 30h out of it "having the screen on 50% of the time"..... you're not really using it, are you. |
| 20:49.45 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: yeah same here with VGBA. |
| 20:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | Battery endurance:: Battery BL-5J // Capacity (mAh) 1320 // Talk time Up to 9 h (GSM) Up to 5 h (WCDMA) // Stand-by Up to 10 days GSM Up to 10 days WCDMA |
| 20:50.23 | frals | Shapeshifter: im not using any IM accounts, guess that why mine lasts me 2 days when "using" it |
| 20:50.24 | Shapeshifter | 9h talk time >.> |
| 20:50.34 | javispedro | I can believe 9h talk time |
| 20:50.41 | Shapeshifter | frals: maybe, as it will be almost completely idle when you're not having the screen open |
| 20:50.45 | frals | ie browsing, always synced with mfe on day time |
| 20:50.59 | Shapeshifter | frals: 3G? |
| 20:51.11 | frals | yeah |
| 20:51.13 | frals | 3/3.5 |
| 20:51.25 | N900evil | t-tan: lcd doesn't use that much - backlight at high brightness is lots more |
| 20:51.31 | Shapeshifter | frals: you're not using it... ^^ |
| 20:51.31 | Gh0sty | any app which switches automatically between 2g and 3g |
| 20:51.35 | frals | or well, the second evening i plug it in |
| 20:51.42 | Gh0sty | or any app which switches off automatically wifi when not used? |
| 20:51.51 | frals | Shapeshifter: i only use it while on the move, when im stationary i got my laptop ;) |
| 20:52.07 | t-tan | N900evil: I meant the backlight |
| 20:52.17 | Shapeshifter | frals: sure. but if I enable 3G battery life drops significantly. I'm practially stuck with 2G just because of battery life |
| 20:52.22 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: ditch GSM and use Wi-Fi, and your browsing figures will be in half-days instead of hours. |
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| 20:52.42 | frals | Shapeshifter: :< |
| 20:53.30 | noobmonk3y | is backing up frals and fmms again............ in tmo...... i just dont get why other people can't read........ |
| 20:53.31 | javispedro | can easily get 6-7 hours of browsing Wi-fi out of it, which is around n8x0 figures. First test I did... counting number of boring lectures ;P |
| 20:53.40 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: at the university I only have wifi with VPN, and for some reason that is extremely unstable on the n900, unusable really. I connect to wlan, then use vpnc. I can browse for 2 minutes, then the wlan loses connection and then reconnects, but then I need to kill vpnc and rerun it. |
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| 20:53.51 | frals | noobmonk3y: cheers - i cant be bothered much anymore |
| 20:53.59 | noobmonk3y | hehe, with them, not fmms i hope ;) |
| 20:54.00 | t-tan | current with screen locked ca. 360, with 4/5: 1000, with 5/5: 1350 |
| 20:54.15 | frals | noobmonk3y: yes, with users, fmms i still have some things to be fixed in |
| 20:54.18 | Shapeshifter | if wlan + vpn was stable, it would be another story, but it's unusable. |
| 20:54.21 | noobmonk3y | hehe ;) |
| 20:54.23 | frals | *glances at teh ever-growing to do list* |
| 20:54.24 | Shapeshifter | rockstable on my laptop btw. |
| 20:54.31 | Shapeshifter | using vpnc as well. |
| 20:54.42 | heffer | apt-get autoremove would remove kernel-maemo and kernel-modules-maemo. does this sound like a good idea? |
| 20:55.00 | _henke_ | heffer no :-) |
| 20:55.07 | t-tan | heffer: if you have kernel-power-flasher installed, it's fine |
| 20:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | gets really bored by all this "eeew my 600MHz CPU eats more power than my wristwatch! And why can't I TX data over GSM @ 2W TX power - with a battery load of not more than 200mW??" whining |
| 20:55.13 | heffer | i knew it :) |
| 20:55.24 | heffer | i have kernel-flasher-maemo |
| 20:55.33 | heffer | but i purged that because i don't use it anymore |
| 20:55.38 | heffer | is it okay to do so? |
| 20:55.49 | noobmonk3y | looks at healthcheck...oh how i like the simple life ;) |
| 20:55.52 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: so, get your uni to change. I did that on mine when they were using expired certificates 5 years ago... |
| 20:56.11 | t-tan | did you reflash the stock kernel? |
| 20:56.18 | lcuk | swaps with noobmonk3y for a day |
| 20:56.19 | heffer | yes i did |
| 20:56.28 | lcuk | has been checking health of things all day |
| 20:56.35 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: sorry? It _does_ work flawlessly on my linux lap top with the same AP and same distance. just the n900 loses the connection after 2 minutes. |
| 20:56.36 | heffer | as it is described in the package description |
| 20:56.47 | t-tan | check with uname -a |
| 20:56.53 | heffer | my uname -a is: Linux Nokia-N900-51-1 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown |
| 20:57.05 | t-tan | ok, remove it |
| 20:57.10 | heffer | great. thanks |
| 20:57.22 | lcuk | kicks mail client on ubumtu |
| 20:58.01 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: you're talking with a person that: a) When the Palm T|X didn't work with his uni's certificates he fixed his uni b) When the N810 didn't work with his Uni's PAP he fixed the N8x0 in what later took Nokia a year and a half (and still counting) to fix it. |
| 20:58.19 | javispedro | Wi-Fi _is_ this thing. |
| 20:58.28 | heffer | thanks for your help guys. it's much appreciated! |
| 20:58.48 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 20:58.59 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: but really, I don't think I'm expecting too much of a mobile device. 2h of 3G surfing, all day IM online and regular mail checking *should* be possible. If this, by design, is impossible, they pretty much failed at reaching a sane target. For all I care they should have stuck a fatter battery in it. clearly. ;) |
| 20:59.15 | frals | kicks lcuks ubumty |
| 20:59.19 | frals | kicks lcuks ubumtu* |
| 20:59.49 | javispedro | passes a fedora livecd to lcuk |
| 20:59.52 | lcuk | flashes frals machines |
| 21:00.18 | frals | flashes lcuk's microSD |
| 21:00.45 | lcuk | covers up his microsd |
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| 21:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: you sound like my silly bosses sometimes - the device needs OLEDs! What? no idea where - oh there's no such thing like single OLEDs -shit! |
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| 21:01.53 | lcuk | any wiki editors handy, or people who could cut and paste some stuff into a wiki page |
| 21:02.01 | javispedro | would run out of money BEFORE running out of battery while browsing using 3g |
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| 21:02.11 | lcuk | want all pictures from a thread making into a wiki page |
| 21:02.33 | javispedro | you could make the page first then leave formatting for latter |
| 21:02.35 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=612433&postcount=229 |
| 21:02.35 | javispedro | *later |
| 21:02.37 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mh? |
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| 21:02.52 | javispedro | ah. |
| 21:02.54 | lcuk | yes javis but that takes concentration i havent got |
| 21:03.07 | lcuk | mind is over there <<<<<<<< watching updates and stuff |
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| 21:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: short version: World peace and intergalactical travels *should* be possible! |
| 21:04.07 | woglinde_ | hm when I define a static struct in .c file how can I use the struct in another file |
| 21:04.12 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: are you saying my expectations are unreasonable for a "mobile computer"? |
| 21:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:04.25 | SpeedEvil1 | sighs at stupid broken forums. |
| 21:04.45 | SpeedEvil1 | Is there a way to get all the posts in a thread on one page? |
| 21:04.48 | Shapeshifter | :( |
| 21:05.01 | lcuk | woglinde_, you define the struct in a header |
| 21:05.09 | lcuk | and declare the instance of that struct to be static |
| 21:05.14 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil1, settings, but you'll never get all posts |
| 21:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: see, 'all day IM online" tends to be no difference to "all day surfing over 3G" |
| 21:05.32 | javispedro | then a copy would be included on every file |
| 21:05.33 | lcuk | your method of "static struct { ... } blah;" is afaik a private struct |
| 21:05.42 | lcuk | no javispedro thats not what i said |
| 21:05.46 | lcuk | a struct takes no memory |
| 21:05.48 | lcuk | is not data |
| 21:05.54 | lcuk | its a definition |
| 21:06.01 | woglinde_ | lcuk hm I wonder why it worked in earlier kernel |
| 21:06.07 | lcuk | it works |
| 21:06.13 | lcuk | but afaik you cant share the definition for it |
| 21:06.13 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mh I guess you're right. |
| 21:06.13 | noobmonk3y | lol lcuk |
| 21:06.15 | javispedro | a definition cannot be static ... |
| 21:06.27 | noobmonk3y | really wanna swap with me for a day, i had a meeting from 9am - 5pm today :| |
| 21:06.29 | lcuk | the scope breaks it |
| 21:06.35 | noobmonk3y | (whilst ircing on the n900 at times) |
| 21:06.38 | lcuk | static [variable]; |
| 21:06.48 | lcuk | where [variable] == privately declared struct |
| 21:07.08 | lcuk | im still working noobmonk3y go figure |
| 21:07.10 | frals | noobmonk3y: i was trying to learn how cachememories works from 12-14 then i gave up and went home |
| 21:07.11 | SpeedEvil1 | ponders using http://new.music.yahoo.com/will-smith/tracks/summertime--2041029 as a teaching aid. |
| 21:07.14 | noobmonk3y | lol lcuk |
| 21:07.28 | noobmonk3y | frals, - you lost me at "learn" |
| 21:07.33 | frals | :D |
| 21:07.36 | noobmonk3y | :P |
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| 21:08.32 | Shapeshifter | http://www.diginfo.tv/2009/11/12/09-0337-r-en.php likes this idea. |
| 21:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: if you want better battery endurance, you don't want a more bulky device - rather you want smarter apps with better power conserving design |
| 21:09.26 | heffer | hoho my N900 has better speakers than my ThinkPad X200 |
| 21:09.37 | heffer | in fact, the X200 even has only one speaker :) |
| 21:09.59 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: not impressed. 50ml and only two weeks standby for a feature phone? |
| 21:10.05 | N900evil | and sometimes you can't do things smarter - as the outside world doesn"t cooperate |
| 21:10.24 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: the fact that recharing it takes a few seconds is interesting. |
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| 21:10.29 | pronto | does the n900 still have that issue with wifi + bluetooth? |
| 21:10.39 | SpeedEvil1 | For example - you would ideally want to be able to group all IM activity so it only hit in batches every minute. |
| 21:10.59 | SpeedEvil1 | And wifi powersaving only works with routers that support it |
| 21:11.02 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil1: bouncer/proxy then |
| 21:11.12 | SpeedEvil1 | DocScrutinizer: yes - that's a partial answer |
| 21:11.26 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that's the apple approach afaiu (single server for notifications) |
| 21:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | yup, think so |
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| 21:12.11 | javispedro | aha, a phone producing CO2. |
| 21:12.16 | SpeedEvil1 | you really want it deeper into the system than that. |
| 21:12.18 | SpeedEvil1 | If you can. |
| 21:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 you can |
| 21:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | mostly |
| 21:13.05 | SpeedEvil | For example, applications batching timers so that if the app doesn't care about exact value of timer, several apps timers are fired at once. |
| 21:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: listen!! |
| 21:14.08 | javispedro | I'm pretty sure there's a framework for that already |
| 21:14.15 | javispedro | in fact there's at the second granularity |
| 21:14.22 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I'm listening |
| 21:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: timers sounds like your favourite pet recently |
| 21:15.44 | javispedro | but yeah, second granularity is too high these days. apps should be grouped at minutes, etc. |
| 21:15.58 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ;) |
| 21:16.23 | woglinde_ | args |
| 21:16.28 | woglinde_ | this seems a sed error |
| 21:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: see now why I pushed for an 'API', even a simple cmdline API |
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| 21:19.00 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well in my case it would just be interesting to get telepathy to batch/burst the connection. |
| 21:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: implement 3 additional parameters for time? absolute skew in millisec, freq relative error for periodic events, max jitter |
| 21:20.49 | N900evil | nanosec |
| 21:21.17 | SpeedEvil | probably microsec actually |
| 21:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | k, us is fine |
| 21:21.36 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: heh. I just asked in telepathy. the guy said that the connect independently (jabber accounts), but also: |
| 21:21.39 | Shapeshifter | 23:20 < smcv > Shapeshifter: the N900 has some cleverness to have all the Jabber connections wake the device up at the same time, but I think that's mostly in the kernel, i.e. not our problem :-) |
| 21:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: anyway I'm talking bout alarmed |
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| 21:23.51 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah I could do that. |
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| 21:25.42 | woglinde_ | *sigh* |
| 21:25.48 | woglinde_ | this cost me 2 hours |
| 21:25.51 | woglinde_ | to understand |
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| 21:26.13 | woglinde_ | but now fixed |
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| 21:26.15 | lcuk | gets woglinde_ a coffee |
| 21:26.28 | woglinde_ | but the patch got an ack |
| 21:26.41 | woglinde_ | the patch who breaked it |
| 21:26.55 | woglinde_ | linux-omap |
| 21:26.57 | woglinde_ | f778a12dd33200513596a0d4d3ba4d5f09e79c09 |
| 21:27.42 | javispedro | I see the static struct _declaration_ there. |
| 21:28.00 | woglinde_ | hm |
| 21:28.06 | woglinde_ | kernel seems not to boot |
| 21:28.27 | woglinde_ | -rfbi.dss_ick = clk_get(rfbi.fbdev->dev, "ick"); |
| 21:28.28 | woglinde_ | +rfbi.dss_ick = clk_get(&dispc.fbdev->dssdev->dev, "ick"); |
| 21:28.43 | woglinde_ | dispc is only defined in dispc.c |
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| 21:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: plus a parameter --system and a checkbox "[ ] Show system events", so you can by default hide away system level timer events from user/GUI |
| 21:31.13 | woglinde_ | hm hm so I have to backport kexec stuff to 33.1 |
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| 21:33.18 | woglinde_ | oh is in there |
| 21:33.19 | woglinde_ | okay |
| 21:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: the part of yesterday's twitter where it says"Palm came up with a device using Nokia's maemo code, before Nokia was ready to rollout", that gave a decent laugh |
| 21:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 21:34.18 | GAN900 | Yeah |
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| 21:36.12 | Jaffa | *assumes* that's talking about upstream patches rather than libhildon or something |
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| 21:40.46 | GAN900 | kernel, primarily |
| 21:40.57 | GAN900 | and the comment was intended to be humorous |
| 21:41.45 | GAN900 | and an example of one of the things you have to cope with working with open source |
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| 21:42.26 | wazd | any maemo.org website gurus in here? :) |
| 21:42.31 | javispedro | they're also using gst-openmax, etc. |
| 21:43.04 | GAN900 | BlueZ |
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| 21:43.13 | noobmonk3y | wb MohammadAG |
| 21:43.26 | MohammadAG | ty o.O |
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| 21:46.16 | javispedro | now reads that they tried to bring GAN to the dark side by giving him a free nexus one |
| 21:46.24 | GAN900 | Didn't work! |
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| 21:46.48 | javispedro | amateurs. |
| 21:46.54 | GAN900 | I haven't stuck my SIM in it, but I haven't been impressed poking around so far. |
| 21:47.14 | GAN900 | Too bad Nokia didn't announce free N900s at Ari's talk. . . . |
| 21:47.33 | javispedro | he. |
| 21:48.04 | javispedro | They should. Free Droids given to potential MeeGo-developers is never a good thing :) |
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| 21:48.21 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 21:48.25 | GAN900 | Lotta N900s here |
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| 21:48.36 | GAN900 | More Nexus Ones today. ;) |
| 21:48.49 | javispedro | see, the dark side won already. |
| 21:49.04 | SpeedEvil | mass blend! |
| 21:49.33 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, yeah, that's what I said yesterday. |
| 21:49.42 | SpeedEvil | oh. |
| 21:49.50 | SpeedEvil | wasn't paying close attention. |
| 21:49.57 | javispedro | starts looking for cheap android devices in preparation for the soon massive "switch" |
| 21:51.08 | javispedro | http://www.lainterfaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/alienware-concepto-celular-android.jpg first hit here when googling "cheap android phone" :) |
| 21:52.00 | Gadgetoid_mbp | javispedro: hahahahaha |
| 21:52.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Alienware gear looks horrendous |
| 21:52.35 | SpeedEvil | It's Kosh! |
| 21:52.37 | SpeedEvil | In a phone! |
| 21:52.55 | javispedro | did I see an angel fleeing out of it? |
| 21:54.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I really need to watch bab 5 |
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| 21:57.36 | crazyhorses | whats up? talking through maemo on wifi using irssi |
| 21:57.51 | crazyhorses | the keyboard is great |
| 21:58.00 | wazd | http://img.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/motorola/motorola-aura-2.jpg |
| 21:58.08 | wazd | that's the phone |
| 21:58.30 | javispedro | "the" phone? |
| 21:58.47 | crazyhorses | n900 :) |
| 21:59.01 | wazd | javispedro: yeah :) |
| 21:59.08 | SpeedEvil | crazyhorses: I'm up to 28wpm or so, which surprised me |
| 21:59.23 | crazyhorses | wow thats impressive |
| 22:00.25 | wazd | javispedro: actually price/awesomness ratio of this thing is outstanding :) |
| 22:00.45 | crazyhorses | I'm still getting used to some keys |
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| 22:00.47 | javispedro | ah well, I don't like the form factor. |
| 22:00.53 | acidjazz | when can i put meego on n900 |
| 22:01.48 | wazd | acidjazz: yeah |
| 22:01.57 | acidjazz | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/15/nokia-and-intel-give-meego-1-0-its-first-live-performance-video/ |
| 22:02.21 | MohammadAG | acidjazz, not very soon |
| 22:02.23 | MohammadAG | if ever |
| 22:02.30 | acidjazz | ok mr negative |
| 22:02.50 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 22:03.06 | MohammadAG | calls DocScrutinizer and asks for another autokicker :P |
| 22:04.27 | SpeedEvil | crazyhorses: my laptop broke, so I was using it as my main IM and other device for a weekish |
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| 22:05.40 | lardman | evening chaps |
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| 22:06.03 | wazd | acidjazz: you'd be able to install MeeGo on n900 in 2 hours. Faithfully yours, Mr. Postitve. |
| 22:06.14 | wazd | lardman: heya |
| 22:06.30 | lardman | reading about the donation stuff, I've got to say I'd like an updated HAM with descriptions, rating abilities and a donation button myself |
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| 22:06.34 | lardman | hey wazd |
| 22:06.50 | wazd | lardman: ironically |
| 22:06.59 | wazd | lardman: http://i021.radikal.ru/1004/eb/85a8bebe5f82.png |
| 22:07.12 | javispedro | aha! |
| 22:07.19 | javispedro | they're going to syndicate babylon just now. |
| 22:07.26 | javispedro | *bab 5 |
| 22:07.35 | javispedro | (so, speaking of the devil...) |
| 22:07.51 | javispedro | evening lardman |
| 22:07.58 | lardman | wazd: looks interesting |
| 22:08.02 | lardman | hey javispedro |
| 22:08.04 | crazyhorses | what's that app they use to show cpu clock, load, etc? |
| 22:08.13 | javispedro | conky? |
| 22:08.47 | javispedro | lardman: saw reply to dsp mp3 post? |
| 22:09.15 | wazd | lardman: it's Extras Client for Maemo from Daniel Wilms |
| 22:09.28 | lardman | javispedro: yes, Felipe has, as ever, given the pointers needed |
| 22:09.42 | javispedro | :nod: :) |
| 22:09.47 | lardman | wazd: oh, I tried installing that a while back and it wouldn't work |
| 22:10.04 | lardman | javispedro: too busy atm, but I may take another stab at some DSP stuff further into the summer |
| 22:10.12 | javispedro | ah, the summer. |
| 22:10.16 | javispedro | so many projects :) |
| 22:10.19 | javispedro | and still too far. |
| 22:10.25 | wazd | lardman: well, I can't do even that :D |
| 22:10.28 | lardman | further!? and I mad, supposed to snow next week ;) |
| 22:10.43 | lardman | wazd: no device? |
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| 22:10.52 | wazd | lardman: sort of |
| 22:11.17 | lardman | OC'd and burst into flames...? |
| 22:11.20 | lardman | :) |
| 22:12.12 | wazd | lardman: hehe, no, just no device :D |
| 22:12.25 | wazd | lardman: overclocked price tag in here :D |
| 22:12.27 | GAN900 | X-Fade, Dawn and Randy are looking at the mailserver. |
| 22:12.44 | lardman | wazd: ah, sorry to hear that |
| 22:13.28 | lardman | hey GAN900 |
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| 22:17.07 | GAN900 | Hey, lardman |
| 22:17.18 | woglinde_ | hm someone knows the cmdline for the n8x0 diablo kernels? |
| 22:17.26 | wazd | lardman: well, that's a pathetic developing obstacle for me, so nothing to be sorry for :) |
| 22:17.40 | crazyhorses | what is the most lightweight ftp(pref. sftp) client? |
| 22:18.29 | lcuk | telnet |
| 22:18.30 | lardman | openssh command line client...? |
| 22:18.43 | lardman | lcuk: damn foo' ;) |
| 22:18.47 | lcuk | but working out the primes is a bit of a bitch manually |
| 22:18.50 | lardman | and hi :) |
| 22:18.54 | lcuk | \o |
| 22:19.23 | crazyhorses | gui client plz |
| 22:19.48 | lardman | no idea then, sorry |
| 22:19.56 | frals | fileparser done, all of... 5 lines of code |
| 22:20.00 | frals | likes when its that easy |
| 22:20.11 | lardman | actually what are you talking about on an N900, Windows, Linux, etc?# |
| 22:20.12 | lcuk | those 5 lines are 499999999999 characters each tho |
| 22:20.19 | frals | scch lcuk ;) |
| 22:20.23 | lardman | :) |
| 22:20.25 | crazyhorses | n900 |
| 22:20.27 | FIQ | why did my program manager just force opened? |
| 22:20.50 | lardman | crazyhorses: no idea then, try a search in HAM perhaps |
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| 22:20.51 | frals | now i just need to do a ui prototype and have some ui/ux tear it apart and make it make sense for users |
| 22:21.02 | FIQ | did i press on a "install (program) button by mistake, does it opens then? |
| 22:21.56 | FIQ | nvm |
| 22:22.08 | lcuk | frals, auto config for fmms? |
| 22:22.08 | SpeedEvil | frals: Have the UI random for each user, and then tweak it via a genetic algorithm from people that don't uninstall immediately. |
| 22:22.18 | frals | lcuk: yeah |
| 22:22.56 | lcuk | good good |
| 22:23.15 | lcuk | i like the genetic algorithm aspect |
| 22:23.24 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, thats a nice idea |
| 22:23.37 | crazyhorses | strange scrolling isn't workimg |
| 22:23.47 | SpeedEvil | crazyhorses: ? |
| 22:24.00 | crazyhorses | irssi on n900 |
| 22:24.12 | frals | SpeedEvil: sounds pretty good, gonna go for it! |
| 22:24.12 | SpeedEvil | how are you trying to scroll? |
| 22:24.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:24.19 | crazyhorses | usually ctrl + p/n |
| 22:24.38 | SpeedEvil | crazyhorses: it's possibly not bound? |
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| 22:25.21 | crazyhorses | different binds.. it,s changing channels |
| 22:25.51 | lardman | grumbles that there are always so many unread posts on TMO |
| 22:26.07 | lcuk | lardman, just use vaispy.php |
| 22:26.15 | lardman | ? |
| 22:26.18 | lcuk | and if its gone from scrollback its gone |
| 22:26.29 | lardman | ah ok |
| 22:26.31 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php |
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| 22:27.01 | lardman | bloody hell, they just keep coming! |
| 22:27.40 | lcuk | lol lardman |
| 22:27.44 | lcuk | its like irc |
| 22:27.48 | lcuk | but it scrolls the wrong way ;) |
| 22:28.01 | lardman | yeah but with 1000 conversations going on! |
| 22:28.06 | javispedro | and it scrolls too fast and with muuuch longer posts |
| 22:28.22 | frals | lcuk: actually using that page is insane! |
| 22:28.45 | javispedro | aha, we overloaded tmo |
| 22:28.49 | javispedro | I stopped getting updates... |
| 22:28.53 | frals | same here lol |
| 22:29.10 | lcuk | i just flick to it |
| 22:29.22 | lcuk | glance and flick away i know it moves but its rare i see it |
| 22:29.24 | lardman | lol http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50089 |
| 22:29.29 | javispedro | thinks lcuk is too used to twitter |
| 22:29.53 | lcuk | twitter is awful |
| 22:30.02 | lcuk | i hate that "700 new twits" |
| 22:30.03 | javispedro | well said. |
| 22:30.06 | lcuk | just show me the damn things |
| 22:30.13 | frals | lcuk only dislikes twitter because everyone is calling him insane on there |
| 22:30.22 | lcuk | they stopped that |
| 22:30.26 | lardman | I don't use it, drives me mad |
| 22:30.46 | lcuk | its ok for some uses |
| 22:30.53 | frals | i mostly use it to advertise new fmms stuff |
| 22:31.05 | FIQ | wasn't N900 planned this week? |
| 22:31.08 | FIQ | eh |
| 22:31.09 | FIQ | oh |
| 22:31.10 | FIQ | lol |
| 22:31.16 | javispedro | yes, I got one! |
| 22:31.16 | FIQ | i mean PR1.2 |
| 22:31.31 | lardman | oh, I thought we had a 1 year lag on those comments ;) |
| 22:31.44 | javispedro | 1 year already?? |
| 22:31.50 | javispedro | damn, need new gadget to play with. |
| 22:31.51 | zappa | hey guys can i get some feedback on design or http://wiki.maemo.org/QtRuby . I plan to add essentially lesson 2 this weekend. I've never done a document in wiki format and am wondering what i should do differently |
| 22:32.04 | lardman | javispedro: getting close I reckon |
| 22:33.08 | javispedro | zappa: well you already used all of the mediawiki features I know =) |
| 22:33.14 | frals | hmm, i wonder which component owns /etc/operator_settings |
| 22:33.30 | frals | is there an easy way to find out which package installs a given file? |
| 22:33.39 | javispedro | "operator-wizard-settings" is the package |
| 22:33.46 | javispedro | and "dpkg -S /filename" |
| 22:33.58 | frals | ty! |
| 22:34.06 | zappa | javispedro: i had no idea what i was doing. I looked at the code for other wikis to get a semi clue. |
| 22:34.34 | noobmonk3y | prods lcuk |
| 22:35.00 | frals | prods noobmonk3y |
| 22:35.04 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 22:35.06 | noobmonk3y | right |
| 22:35.07 | noobmonk3y | night alls |
| 22:35.11 | frals | nn |
| 22:35.22 | noobmonk3y | too much giggling makes me tired....... :P |
| 22:35.24 | lcuk | nn noobmonk3y |
| 22:35.34 | noobmonk3y | :D lcuk - back to work :P |
| 22:35.36 | lcuk | you stopped peeing pants now? |
| 22:35.43 | lcuk | make sure you go toilet before bed |
| 22:35.49 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, only when i remember not to drink too much ;) |
| 22:36.04 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:36.06 | noobmonk3y | sorry, only when mum remembers to not make me drink to much |
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| 23:13.57 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
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| 23:16.12 | MohammadAG_ | needs a hibernate function |
| 23:16.39 | MohammadAG | dump ram, shutdown, turn on, restore ram |
| 23:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | no, but it does blend ;-P |
| 23:17.00 | MohammadAG | the N900 blends? |
| 23:17.02 | dmj726 | I was surprised that there were that many applications in our repositories. |
| 23:17.12 | dmj726 | I would have guessed 500 at most. |
| 23:17.22 | MohammadAG | why I need a hibernate function: |
| 23:17.32 | MohammadAG | you'll find out in 5 minutes |
| 23:17.46 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | The eZ430-Chronos kit is intended to be an attractive development kit and is not intended to be a consumer product. Texas Instruments and the partner companies are sponsoring components or services to increase the accessibility of flexible and innovative development systems to a broader audience. Consumer products usually retail for higher prices. |
| 23:18.39 | javispedro | it does not look like an expensive watch. |
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| 23:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | well it looks pretty much like a watch, given it's a MSP430 uC devel kit |
| 23:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | 4k RAM 32k flash |
| 23:26.15 | GAN900 | Damn, where's lbt when you have an answer to his question. |
| 23:26.35 | GAN900 | Timeline for arch discussion seems to be the November Summit |
| 23:26.46 | javispedro | it would be much interesting with a ~ 64x64 matrix lcd (and much expensive and with less battery life, though) |
| 23:27.16 | GAN900 | low batt |
| 23:27.20 | GAN900 | going down, brb |
| 23:27.23 | javispedro | hehe |
| 23:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | hmm ok, specs say 96 segment display |
| 23:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: actually with 44GPIO it's a bit hard to drive a 64^2, without additional driver chips etc |
| 23:28.54 | javispedro | 9 digits x 7 + some symbols (I guess) << 96 segments |
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| 23:29.06 | javispedro | yeah, maybe 64² too much |
| 23:29.10 | dneary | hi all |
| 23:29.34 | javispedro | hi |
| 23:29.39 | Robot101 | dneary: o/ |
| 23:30.20 | javispedro | oh, pressure sensor. |
| 23:30.28 | dneary | Robot101, \o/ |
| 23:30.28 | GAN900 | Back |
| 23:30.35 | javispedro | altimeter alone could be an interesting usecase for some |
| 23:31.17 | javispedro | GAN900: interesting stuff? |
| 23:31.22 | Robot101 | still wants to port MeeGo to his free Nexus One |
| 23:31.43 | GAN900 | javispedro, eeeeh |
| 23:31.45 | Robot101 | problem is all of the kernel drivers use the Android kernel bonghits like wakelocks and new device model :( |
| 23:31.54 | GAN900 | Robot101, you here? |
| 23:32.00 | Robot101 | yeah |
| 23:32.09 | GAN900 | No shit? Where? |
| 23:32.15 | Robot101 | is sitting next to dneary |
| 23:32.31 | GAN900 | Where the hell did Dave get off to? |
| 23:32.44 | GAN900 | aha! |
| 23:32.47 | Robot101 | GAN900: oh! that was you at lunch :) hi |
| 23:32.48 | GAN900 | Well now. ;) |
| 23:32.51 | GAN900 | lol |
| 23:32.51 | Myrtti | ohai Robot101 _o/ |
| 23:32.53 | GAN900 | Howdy. |
| 23:33.06 | Robot101 | I thought your name was familiar :) |
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| 23:33.11 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 23:33.20 | Myrtti | Robot101: what was the weather like at Cambridge? |
| 23:33.25 | javispedro | thinks all those sci-fi authors fans of vr worlds should see this very channel |
| 23:33.56 | GAN900 | lol |
| 23:34.12 | Robot101 | Myrtti: I'm in San Francisco at the Collab summit too |
| 23:34.17 | GAN900 | javispedro, N900 makes magic possible. |
| 23:34.31 | GAN900 | Robot101, yeah, Myrtti two chairs to my left. :P |
| 23:34.43 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV7xWMmI1PQ |
| 23:34.50 | Myrtti | Robot101: yup, but you've probably been to Cambridge not that long ago, I've been here for a month now |
| 23:34.54 | Robot101 | Myrtti: Collabora just joined the Linux Foundation, we thought we should show up :) |
| 23:35.02 | Myrtti | Robot101: whoo |
| 23:35.12 | Myrtti | need to poke my boss about that too |
| 23:35.18 | GAN900 | Everybody's doing it these days. |
| 23:35.28 | Myrtti | yeah, it's the new black |
| 23:35.37 | Robot101 | need to see if we can maintain tp, gstreamer, dbus and stuff in meego |
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| 23:39.14 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, pong? |
| 23:39.27 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 23:39.42 | dmj726 | cehteh: what do you think about the Lightworks news? |
| 23:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | now this channel is real madness - LOL |
| 23:40.44 | ShadowJK | should complete bq27200.sh, make bq24150.sh, and maybe bme_replacedbyashellscript.sh |
| 23:40.51 | ShadowJK | and then rewrite in C |
| 23:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: actually that'd help a lot as long as Stskeeps is at Nokia talking to BME nerds about opening up stuff |
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| 23:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'm off for a short beer now. Let's throw on a heap all we think we know later on (or tomorrow). OK? |
| 23:44.21 | ShadowJK | ok |
| 23:44.38 | ShadowJK | I'm actually at work now, can't irc much :) |
| 23:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | IC |
| 23:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm usually awake anothe r few hours, so cya l8er |
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| 23:45.56 | ShadowJK | discovers why his n900 was using abnormal amounts of power |
| 23:46.17 | ShadowJK | someone was doing bruteforce ssh user/pass attack... |
| 23:47.41 | pronto | someone was trying to bruteforce into your phone? |
| 23:48.37 | MohammadAG | been playing with leds |
| 23:48.45 | MohammadAG | if you set two colours to one engine |
| 23:48.48 | MohammadAG | at full pwm |
| 23:49.03 | MohammadAG | and the other colour that's left to the 2nd one |
| 23:49.06 | MohammadAG | at 0 pwm |
| 23:49.27 | MohammadAG | you'd get a different colour (or same colour with different brightness) |
| 23:49.35 | MohammadAG | purple turns pink in this case |
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| 23:50.11 | MohammadAG | weird yellow also works |
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| 23:53.04 | ShadowJK | pronto, yep |
| 23:53.08 | pronto | rofl |
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| 23:55.45 | ShadowJK | Imagine if they'd gotten in, tried to wget their rootkit and met with ENOSPC |
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| 23:59.22 | javispedro | then did df -h |
| 23:59.34 | javispedro | only to die of old age before the pymaemo bind mounts listing ends |
