| 00:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | without 'sudo gainroot' gets you some silly comment about RDmode, and no root access |
| 00:00.17 | timothy_ | right I remember I read that somewhere, alright i do that quickly |
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| 00:09.24 | timothy_ | alright that took ages, but I have it now |
| 00:10.20 | timothy_ | what does apt-get check bring me? |
| 00:11.29 | javispedro | lol |
| 00:11.29 | crashanddie | bullet`: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/13/inside-apples-new-macbook-pro/ |
| 00:11.41 | javispedro | i just noted that ipv6 is yet another diablo feature missing in fremantle |
| 00:11.51 | javispedro | I guess ipv6 didn't unroll as planned, eh... ? heheh |
| 00:12.01 | bullet` | hey crashanddie .. yea they r out and ready to buy, with cori5 |
| 00:12.19 | timothy_ | docscrutinizer: are you still there? |
| 00:12.22 | crashanddie | bullet`: so, it really depends what you want to do |
| 00:12.32 | bullet` | yea |
| 00:12.38 | crashanddie | bullet`: the 13" has 10h of uptime, the 15 and 17" 8-9h |
| 00:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm partially |
| 00:12.43 | bullet` | i was just reading it on cnet news |
| 00:13.16 | bullet` | 13" is with a cor2, 15 & 17 offers cori5 |
| 00:13.23 | timothy_ | do you have any suggestions about how to find out why my email app is broken |
| 00:13.28 | bullet` | the base model for 15" is $1800 |
| 00:14.02 | crashanddie | bullet`: The batteries are rated to 1000 charging cycles, so roughly 5 years for most people. You can have it replaced for $130 (which, including the price of the battery isn't that major) |
| 00:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | timothy_: sorry, no really competent advice here |
| 00:14.27 | timothy_ | a'ight, thx though |
| 00:15.02 | bullet` | is it usual that the warrantee for mbps is global, or will i have to ask the place where i buy it from? |
| 00:15.30 | crashanddie | I don't know, I bought it in the US, never had any issues, so never had to bring it in |
| 00:15.52 | bullet` | aha |
| 00:16.41 | crashanddie | "The AppleCare Protection Plan provides global repair coverage, both parts and labor, from Apple-authorized technicians around the world." |
| 00:17.01 | crashanddie | So you get one year of international warranty, that you can extend to 3 years if you pay extra |
| 00:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | timothy_: there should be some pals around here who actually know how to reinstall modest |
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| 00:17.57 | timothy_ | yeah I'd like to get to know some :) |
| 00:18.23 | dmj726 | hmm...I'm finding that clutter isn't showing anything in scratchbox |
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| 00:18.47 | dmj726 | The windows are just transparent |
| 00:18.47 | timothy_ | anybody here who knows how to fix a broken email app on maemo? |
| 00:20.35 | crashanddie | timothy_: call 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3! |
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| 00:21.46 | timothy_ | who's number is that? |
| 00:22.06 | crashanddie | hmm, you don't watch the IT crowd, do you? |
| 00:22.21 | aziwoqpd | it's the new more convenient emergency services number |
| 00:22.26 | timothy_ | sorry no |
| 00:22.30 | timothy_ | hehe |
| 00:23.11 | javispedro | one one eight nine nine nine... |
| 00:23.15 | javispedro | damn tune |
| 00:23.19 | javispedro | must google it |
| 00:23.52 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ |
| 00:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | timothy_: ignore crashanddie, he forgot to take his pills today |
| 00:24.55 | crashanddie | oy! |
| 00:25.01 | crashanddie | It was just some banter! |
| 00:25.10 | crashanddie | even javispedro got it |
| 00:25.15 | timothy_ | I assumed so |
| 00:26.06 | javispedro | three! |
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| 00:26.39 | crashanddie | amazing timothy_, you're already on Google |
| 00:26.59 | timothy_ | so no modest cracks around i guess? |
| 00:27.01 | crashanddie | 13 Apr 2010 ... timothy_, joomster, do you know how to reinstall modest, 02:52. timothy_, (or tinymail), |
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| 00:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | so? |
| 00:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | would like to know as well how to reinstall one of the maemo-basics |
| 00:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | without flashing a fiasco image |
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| 00:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | quoting a question doesnn't really help, it seems to me |
| 00:30.38 | crashanddie | stfw? |
| 00:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | hfzusgg |
| 00:31.26 | timothy_ | i posted it on the board and one reply was a full flash of the eMMC and rootfs |
| 00:31.32 | timothy_ | I actually didn't want to go that far |
| 00:31.58 | javispedro | rofllmaoturriuscunus |
| 00:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | scratch the eMMC part. The flash-rootfs part is the only official method it seems |
| 00:32.41 | javispedro | timothy_: if you don't want to reflash (which is what I suggest), you should start from trying to guess what breaked it |
| 00:33.25 | timothy_ | I might have unintentiously moved it manually |
| 00:33.29 | timothy_ | don't ask me how |
| 00:33.33 | javispedro | what |
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| 00:33.54 | timothy_ | I have a .modest directory on my memory card |
| 00:33.58 | javispedro | aha |
| 00:34.16 | timothy_ | could you tell me where the program is originally located? |
| 00:34.55 | javispedro | what did you move? |
| 00:35.01 | javispedro | also, did you do anything as root? |
| 00:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's actually hard to spot a fishy part, when you don't have a known-good reference |
| 00:35.44 | timothy_ | nothing as root, when i was connected to my laptop |
| 00:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no he didn't, as he had no rootsh |
| 00:36.08 | javispedro | so by definition, reinstalling modest will do NOTHING, so stop asking for it and try to remember what you moved. |
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| 00:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | seems to me you moved some files from your home to the uSD. And accidentally the .modest/ as well |
| 00:37.31 | javispedro | still without that modest shouldn't refuse to boot |
| 00:37.40 | timothy_ | is it true that .modest doesn't actually contain the program but just the mail folders and stuff |
| 00:37.50 | timothy_ | so that's what i basically have moved |
| 00:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest you move .modest back to your ~ |
| 00:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | timothy_: yes |
| 00:38.23 | timothy_ | where is your .modest folder located? |
| 00:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | and modest_the_app won't probably work when this folder is missing |
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| 00:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I got no system here to check |
| 00:38.54 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it should work... |
| 00:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | probably it belongs in your homedir |
| 00:40.01 | timothy_ | also, i reupdated (firmwarewise) my device yesterday and it automatically moved the .modest folder to my memory card |
| 00:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | mv /media/*/.modest ~/.modest |
| 00:40.15 | javispedro | er.. |
| 00:40.18 | javispedro | wait before doing such a thing |
| 00:40.24 | javispedro | modest does not move ~ to memory card |
| 00:40.33 | javispedro | modest CREATES a .modest directory in the memory card on every boot |
| 00:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT?? |
| 00:40.56 | timothy_ | after the flash i was able to restart the mail app, but only for setting up a mail account |
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| 00:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | sighs and heads out for a fresh Pils from fridge |
| 00:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! modest creates folders on my uSD |
| 00:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | what a shit is THAT please? |
| 00:44.35 | javispedro | on maemo two apps do it |
| 00:44.35 | timothy_ | how big are my chances the 1.2pr will help us out? |
| 00:44.39 | javispedro | modest and ham |
| 00:44.54 | javispedro | timothy_: if you reflash, 100%. if you don't reflash, 5%. |
| 00:45.20 | timothy_ | what does it mean: to flash only 5%? |
| 00:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | so what's broken is your setup, not modest! |
| 00:46.21 | javispedro | hm, so did he reflash already? this changes it indeed. |
| 00:46.27 | timothy_ | i mean the initial mail account setup thing, where you state your provider and stuff |
| 00:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | acrually I lost track |
| 00:47.28 | timothy_ | i reflashed to 3.2010... something |
| 00:47.43 | timothy_ | which i already had |
| 00:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | aah a freudian. don't be so crual to me :-P |
| 00:48.21 | timothy_ | what? |
| 00:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | timothy_: sorry, your story is getting to a state of confusion I can't follow ATM |
| 00:49.31 | javispedro | too late and sleepy and too many errors in my own code |
| 00:50.13 | javispedro | is thinking that very profound question "how did this ever work?" |
| 00:50.18 | timothy_ | i stated a post on the board. you might want to read it tomorrow |
| 00:50.27 | dmj726 | maemo-optify won't install... |
| 00:50.31 | timothy_ | called recovering email app |
| 00:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | timothy_: try to locate all .modest folders on your system, check which one has the most and newest files, and copy that one to your homedir |
| 00:50.41 | dmj726 | ...in scratchbox |
| 00:50.48 | dmj726 | Has anyone else had this issue? |
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| 00:52.01 | timothy_ | thank you so far, see you later |
| 00:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | timothy_: or wait, don't you have a backup? |
| 00:54.26 | javispedro | aha |
| 00:54.40 | javispedro | god libicd-network-wpa supplicant working again, on n900 |
| 00:56.06 | javispedro | time to end this hacking session, gnite gentleman |
| 00:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | err, was it broken? |
| 00:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.44 | javispedro | if you think it was not broken I think it's not what you think it is :) |
| 00:56.44 | javispedro | cya |
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| 01:12.14 | crashanddie | tmo down again? |
| 01:13.54 | lcuk | i dunno, watch youtube whilst you wait :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM4ItSg0sFQ |
| 01:14.19 | crashanddie | no youtube at work |
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| 01:23.30 | NTU | is maemo a video game? |
| 01:23.59 | godrik | no |
| 01:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | no, a virus |
| 01:24.13 | NTU | a virus... sweet |
| 01:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | specially designed and only able to survive on heart pacemakers |
| 01:25.17 | Proteous | heh |
| 01:25.55 | NTU | i dont have a pacemaker |
| 01:26.01 | NTU | my heart is fine ;) |
| 01:26.15 | godrik | it is not important. you can get it by touching someone that has a pacemaker |
| 01:26.28 | NTU | what the hell... |
| 01:26.40 | godrik | it is pretty dangerous if you don't have one |
| 01:26.54 | godrik | maybe you should talk to your familly doctor about that |
| 01:27.06 | NTU | oh i see /b/rothers |
| 01:27.09 | NTU | its a joke |
| 01:27.13 | NTU | im 4channing this! |
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| 01:36.46 | Proteous | ... |
| 01:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | now that's been a strange troll |
| 01:41.21 | Proteous | yeah |
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| 01:58.21 | crashanddie | is there a dbus call we could use to replace the content of the clipboard? |
| 01:59.51 | crashanddie | ok, I need to bounce some ideas off someone |
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| 02:03.15 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: around? |
| 02:04.20 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: arounD? |
| 02:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm? |
| 02:05.43 | crashanddie | ok |
| 02:05.45 | crashanddie | keep reading |
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| 02:06.16 | crashanddie | Use-case: I'm using my desktop, browsing some stuff, I want to send it to my N900 because I'm [going to the loo|commuting|whatever] |
| 02:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | . |
| 02:07.05 | crashanddie | There's a small app running on my desktop, I right click on it, and select "Send clipboard to N900" |
| 02:07.11 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, look at synergy |
| 02:07.22 | crashanddie | or, "Send clipboard to N900 clipboard", or "Send clipboard to N900 bookmarks" |
| 02:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | . |
| 02:07.41 | crashanddie | Two way we can have this interaction going |
| 02:07.43 | LiraNuna | synergy |
| 02:08.04 | crashanddie | either through a webserver on the net, both the desktop and the n900 talk to it after having been enrolled |
| 02:08.18 | crashanddie | or directly through local wifi network |
| 02:08.19 | LiraNuna | I love being ignored |
| 02:08.28 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, SY-NER-GY |
| 02:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: just wait until we start debate |
| 02:09.29 | LiraNuna | it's just amazing I spewed the same application name 4 times and he keeps on the user story |
| 02:09.30 | crashanddie | Option a (webserver) has the inconvenience of requiring to be connected to the internet |
| 02:09.34 | LiraNuna | ... |
| 02:09.48 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, do you think he /ignore'd me |
| 02:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
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| 02:10.21 | crashanddie | option b requires some kind of authentication between n900 and desktop/laptop, in case there are multiple n900's on the network |
| 02:10.29 | LiraNuna | .................... |
| 02:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: but I like to hear a comprehensive usecase, before we cut it |
| 02:10.38 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, THAT. PROBLEM. HAD. BEEN. SOLVED |
| 02:10.55 | LiraNuna | http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:11.21 | LiraNuna | why reinvent the wheel? |
| 02:11.29 | crashanddie | Because it's fun? |
| 02:11.38 | crashanddie | and I hate how synergy is implemented? |
| 02:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: if you can't wait, you'll probably really get ignored |
| 02:11.49 | LiraNuna | but it's exactly what you want |
| 02:12.06 | bef0rd | synergy is awesome |
| 02:12.09 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, can't wait for what? I was offering him a solution |
| 02:12.23 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: I wasn't looking for a solution |
| 02:12.30 | bef0rd | if you hate synergy you FAIL. |
| 02:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: the point is, he hadn't any problem for you to offer a solution |
| 02:13.00 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: anyway, yes, there is synergy, however I never looked into it |
| 02:13.18 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: how well is it integrated with desktop OS's, and how well is it integrated with Maemo? |
| 02:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | is leaving the party, someone pooped |
| 02:13.53 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, it's a console application |
| 02:14.02 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, just compile and start synargyc |
| 02:14.15 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: if I take an arbitrary string of text and dump it to the desktop client, can it find an URL in it, and act upon it? |
| 02:14.41 | LiraNuna | no but you can share clipboard |
| 02:14.41 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: as i said in my use-case initially, I want to have a small widget that allows me to easily send it to the device I want, into the funnel I want (clipboard, open browser or bookmarks) |
| 02:15.06 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: also, i want to have the option between server-managed, and local-network managed. |
| 02:15.11 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, you should change the widget to 'open URL from clipboard' then |
| 02:15.18 | LiraNuna | could* |
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| 02:16.27 | crashanddie | also, because of the server-managed option (in case desktop/n900 aren't on the same network), I don't want to have the clipboard being shared automagically and continuously |
| 02:16.47 | crashanddie | so, my questions, considering I now have some people listening: |
| 02:17.06 | crashanddie | desktop widget needs to run on Windows, Mac and Linux, what toolkit do we use? |
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| 02:17.41 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, Qt/GTK |
| 02:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | qt |
| 02:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | though I'm virtually gone |
| 02:18.19 | crashanddie | In case of local-network managed system, who is the server, who is the client? I was thinking of a network broadcast asking for client availability, and have the n900 reply to that -- then do a simple crypto footprint check to make sure we're talking to the right N900 |
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| 02:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | obex-push |
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| 02:21.52 | crashanddie | c'mon guys, more thoughts |
| 02:21.54 | crashanddie | this ain't bouncing |
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| 02:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: package into a plaintext format (similar vcard) so you could send via obex-push via BT, or you sens SMS, or you sent instant msg via SIP (the web based usecase) |
| 02:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | for wlan infrastructure and ad-hoc you'd need to find or implement a similar protocol |
| 02:39.35 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: BT is a battery drain -- however could be used in paralel with a auto-logoff from workstation as soon as N900 isn't within range anymore. SMS costs money, and is hard to do from desktop, SIP would be good, but how do you manage accounts? |
| 02:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | sms from desktop is kinda easy |
| 02:40.20 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: implementing the protocol really isn't a hard thing to do, and the web server side of things is piss-easy as well (just a quick GAE app would do the trick) |
| 02:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | you got both dial-in and web-based services |
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| 02:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | (sms) check yaps |
| 02:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | inbound is a lil bit awkward though |
| 02:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | on desktop |
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| 02:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | for SIP see SIP-INFO (or twinklephone.com istant messaging) for the transfer method. Accounts would be handled like every usual sip-account you have registered to or hold in your contacts |
| 02:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | and then there's also a thing called direct-peer2peer |
| 02:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | sip:joerg@joerg.mydyndns.org |
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| 02:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | this should as well work in WLAN: sip:joerg@192.168.56.78 |
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| 02:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | no need for any account at any SIP registrar |
| 02:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | alas telepathy (or maemo dialer) seems doesn't support it |
| 02:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | nice detail: a lot of SIP providers sport a gateway SIP-INFO_IM<->SMS |
| 02:55.38 | Artek_ | Hello. What's a good IRC app for the N900 ? |
| 02:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | xchat |
| 02:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | some love irssi |
| 02:56.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | not me though |
| 02:56.17 | Artek_ | irssi or xchat? Which one do you recommend? |
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| 02:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using xchat since 2 years now, on maemo |
| 02:56.48 | pronto | i use irssi when at computers, but xchat on the n900 |
| 02:56.58 | Artek_ | ok |
| 03:00.19 | frosty` | it would be nice if that telepathy-idle package was actually useful |
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| 03:23.21 | godrik | Artek_: I use some time irssi over ssh on my n810 and I must say it is quite painful to use. xchat is probably a better choice if you initiate the connexion from your device |
| 03:23.58 | Artek_ | I see. |
| 03:26.33 | filokrunch | my network postioning no longer working |
| 03:26.55 | filokrunch | can anyone tell me where to look to get started on troubleshooting that? |
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| 03:29.46 | godrik | filokrunch: network positioning ? |
| 03:29.58 | filokrunch | yes |
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| 03:30.57 | filokrunch | actually I just got a popup on my n900 right now saying that the user defined network positioning server cannot be contacted, and defaulting to supl.nokia.com |
| 03:31.35 | filokrunch | till now I had it set to supl.google.com and always got a network fix immediately |
| 03:32.56 | filokrunch | now whether I use supl.nokia.com, or supl.google.com no fixes, unless I wait out under the open sky for like 5 min. |
| 03:33.33 | filokrunch | I think the error started when I exited out of sygic during its setup |
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| 03:36.01 | filokrunch | so my question basically is: which system files could sygic have edited/corrupted to cause network connection errors to the network positioning servers? |
| 03:36.33 | opdf2 | how many mA does n900 pull when charging? |
| 03:36.53 | opdf2 | milliamps |
| 03:37.14 | ShadowJK | opdf2, you're asking this why? |
| 03:37.16 | filokrunch | or which files or gconf keys contain the settings for a succsessful connection to a network positioning server? |
| 03:37.39 | ShadowJK | filokrunch, so did supl.nokia.com work before you changed it to google? |
| 03:37.55 | opdf2 | ShadowJK: ive been using several usb car chargers and all but one work |
| 03:38.05 | opdf2 | ShadowJK: ive been using several usb car chargers and all but one *dont work |
| 03:38.26 | ShadowJK | That's more likely a signaling issue I'd think |
| 03:38.30 | filokrunch | I'm not sure, if it did it took too long to get a fix |
| 03:38.32 | opdf2 | and it happens to be the cheapest one |
| 03:39.01 | filokrunch | I've been using supl.google for many months without any issues till now |
| 03:39.02 | ShadowJK | The charger must have D+ and D- pins shorted together (or a small resistor) to tell the N900 that it's a charger and that it's okay to pull power |
| 03:39.36 | ShadowJK | in my experience N900 will say "Charging" even to the most pitifully weak charger :-) |
| 03:39.57 | opdf2 | i see. The spec on the usb car charger that does work is 800 mA output...I'm not sure if that is too much or too lite |
| 03:39.59 | opdf2 | *little |
| 03:40.52 | ShadowJK | Well, my N900 will happily claim "Charging" when I connect my /switched off/ tekkeon :-) |
| 03:40.57 | filokrunch | opdf2: I use the nokia supplied cable with usb car charger and it work ok |
| 03:41.33 | opdf2 | standard usb spec is 500 mA, is it not? |
| 03:41.40 | opdf2 | filokrunch: i see |
| 03:41.51 | ShadowJK | the wall charger is 1200mA |
| 03:42.01 | filokrunch | yes for a computer |
| 03:42.19 | ShadowJK | one of Nokia's two microusb car chargers is around 600-800mA iirc |
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| 03:42.37 | filokrunch | my car charger though says 1000mA, and it charges about twice as fast as my computer |
| 03:42.51 | ShadowJK | I used my old 2mm nokia car charger + the adapter, and that was about 300mA and worked fine |
| 03:43.56 | opdf2 | ShadowJK: you're right. okay i should be fine. This car charger is 5V 800 mA |
| 03:43.57 | filokrunch | i have a wall charger that came with a bluetooth headphones, and it says 300mA, but the n900 never starts charging off of it |
| 03:45.15 | opdf2 | I'm kinda worried about frying the n900 since the only usb car charger i could find it stores that works is only $5 usd |
| 03:45.23 | ShadowJK | If the datalines are unconnected on the charger, N900 will ignore it |
| 03:45.24 | opdf2 | the $20 usb wouldnt work |
| 03:45.27 | ShadowJK | (and not charge) |
| 03:45.44 | filokrunch | oh, thats probably it |
| 03:45.44 | opdf2 | *usd |
| 03:45.55 | ShadowJK | Well the charging chip datasheet says it has input overvoltage protection.. |
| 03:46.16 | ShadowJK | obviously it doesn't extend so far that it'd survive if you took wires and jammed them into an outlet and then into your n900, but.. |
| 03:46.22 | opdf2 | ShadowJK: okay cool |
| 03:46.56 | ShadowJK | I had to open up my tekkeon and solder it before n900 would charge from it |
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| 03:51.16 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: wouldn't the alternating part be more damaging? |
| 03:51.48 | crashanddie | other than the fact that most diodes would fry instantly when in contact with such a massive over voltage |
| 03:52.29 | ShadowJK | specs says maximum 20V |
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| 03:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | beware VBUS is routed to other components as well |
| 03:57.06 | filokrunch | ShadowJK: so can you give me any clues about system files/settings associated with network positioning? |
| 03:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/n900-force_charging_on_usb/ |
| 03:59.15 | filokrunch | ok I found the location in gconf |
| 03:59.45 | filokrunch | its under system/nokia/location |
| 04:00.04 | filokrunch | hers my settings: |
| 04:00.25 | ShadowJK | We could probably go behind the back of bme and enable charging anyway ;-) |
| 04:00.25 | filokrunch | disclaimer-accepted=true |
| 04:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 04:00.50 | filokrunch | gps-disabled=false |
| 04:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: big surprise :-P I found I2C device nodes in /dev |
| 04:02.15 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, /dev/i2c-2 ? |
| 04:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 04:02.22 | ShadowJK | each i2c bus has its own device node :) |
| 04:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 04:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | feels like an idiot |
| 04:05.14 | ShadowJK | eh? |
| 04:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless we for sure want proper synodes, like |
| 04:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # ls -l /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0/ |
| 04:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 14 06:06 alarm |
| 04:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 13 21:48 charge_full |
| 04:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 14 06:06 charge_full_design |
| 04:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 13 21:48 charge_now |
| 04:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | and sme more, esp like the ones on OM |
| 04:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | sys-nodes, not synodes |
| 04:09.23 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: stop flood :P |
| 04:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 04:09.49 | ShadowJK | wtf :-) |
| 04:09.52 | ShadowJK | I've never seen those before |
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| 04:10.32 | ShadowJK | that's like where all the pointless acpi stuff goes on a PC |
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| 04:10.55 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 04:10.55 | ShadowJK | right |
| 04:10.57 | ShadowJK | I missed the line |
| 04:11.07 | ShadowJK | "we for sure want pproper synode, like" |
| 04:11.11 | ShadowJK | and thought it was n900 :) |
| 04:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | not yet :-S |
| 04:11.59 | ShadowJK | I should try bully one of the people who make widgets into making a "Charge now, dammit" widget |
| 04:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | cmdline exec widget ;-P |
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| 04:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idle whether nokia charger unconnects D+/- on mains off |
| 04:14.27 | sheepbat | that seems needlessly complex |
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| 04:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-14 05:40:52] <ShadowJK> Well, my N900 will happily claim "Charging" when I connect my /switched off/ tekkeon :-) |
| 04:15.13 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: you couldn't bully a fly into a jar of vinegar if you tried |
| 04:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia charger doesn't do this |
| 04:16.15 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I think that's just because there's enough energy in capacitors to make it look like 5V :-) |
| 04:16.32 | ShadowJK | and bme seems extremely lazy at checking whether charger has raised error flags |
| 04:17.09 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 04:17.48 | GAN900 | slowly dies of jetlag. |
| 04:18.25 | microlith | GAN900: I take it you are going to be at the workshop thursday? |
| 04:19.09 | GAN900 | microlith, yeppers |
| 04:19.12 | microlith | cool |
| 04:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | workshop? |
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| 04:20.30 | microlith | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/lfcs2010/meego-workgroup |
| 04:20.32 | GAN900 | MeeGo workshop at the LF Summit |
| 04:20.38 | GAN900 | microlith, why, you here? |
| 04:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 04:21.08 | microlith | GAN900: Up in Folsom now, trying to settle some things so I can disappear down to SF on thursday |
| 04:21.14 | microlith | and bum a co-workers invite |
| 04:21.29 | GAN900 | Hehe |
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| 04:23.56 | GAN900 | doesn't get it when companies put big TVs on the wall and hook them up to coax or composite. |
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| 04:24.27 | microlith | probably waiting for the next remodel to upgrade |
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| 04:25.11 | microlith | whee |
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| 04:31.26 | dotblank | What exactly does minigpsd do? |
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| 04:32.34 | ShadowJK | wonders if it has even been tested on n900/maemo5 |
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| 04:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: nobody's looking at it anyway |
| 04:35.43 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, well, specifically I'm talking about this hotel TV. :p |
| 04:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, for those there isn't much of a choice, if you want more than the housechannel |
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| 04:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | actually analog RF or DVB is all you can reasonably use |
| 04:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | none of those yields a particularly bad quality per se |
| 04:41.19 | GAN900 | DVB isn't a thing here. :P |
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| 04:52.40 | slonopotamus | any glib gurus? |
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| 05:01.58 | otubo | Hello everyone, it seems that my N900 is dropping the connection (whatever it is, wifi or 3G) very often. |
| 05:02.34 | otubo | I saw a bug from 2007, but it seems deprecated. |
| 05:02.41 | otubo | Does anyone have a light |
| 05:02.42 | otubo | ? |
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| 05:19.09 | crashanddie | otubo: I doubt that there are any bugs from 2007 that apply to the N900 |
| 05:19.24 | Stskeeps | besides 'no ogg support' |
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| 05:19.33 | Stskeeps | (out of box) |
| 05:19.48 | crashanddie | otubo: you sure you didn't configure the N900 to automatically disconnect after x minutes idle? |
| 05:19.50 | otubo | crashanddie, I found an entry on talk.maemo.org about this issue |
| 05:20.13 | otubo | crashanddie, I didn't configured anything like that. Besides, I didn't know that this was possible |
| 05:20.14 | otubo | :) |
| 05:20.31 | crashanddie | my point exactly, maybe inadvertently? |
| 05:21.13 | otubo | crashanddie, where exactly is this option? |
| 05:21.31 | slonopotamus | http://codepad.org/Ej1KKVRa fails on last assert. any ideas? |
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| 05:23.56 | RST38h | slono: g_match_info_fetch(match_info, 3) does not return '"'? |
| 05:26.03 | RST38h | slono: but really, do you expect "b" to contain quotes? |
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| 05:26.57 | otubo | crashanddie, found it. Let me test |
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| 05:29.02 | slonopotamus | meh, got disconnected |
| 05:30.50 | otubo | crashanddie, no, didn't find it. Where is this settings, jesus? :-) |
| 05:32.12 | RST38h | slono: but really, do you expect "b" to contain quotes? |
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| 05:41.32 | slonopotamus | curses subway for only partial gsm coverage |
| 05:42.16 | slonopotamus | RST38h: i expect third group to be empty string, not null |
| 05:42.46 | RST38h | oh these are "" |
| 05:43.13 | slonopotamus | yep |
| 05:43.36 | slonopotamus | according to docs, NULL from g_match_info_fetch indicates error |
| 05:44.00 | slonopotamus | and empty string is returned when group doesn't match |
| 05:44.50 | RST38h | glib is probably just broken |
| 05:44.55 | slonopotamus | and that happens for first group. but not for the last one. (actually i observe such error for all non-matching groups at the end of line) |
| 05:45.07 | RST38h | but let us entertain it for a bit |
| 05:45.28 | RST38h | replace (c)? with (c{0,1}) |
| 05:45.43 | RST38h | see what happens |
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| 05:46.32 | RST38h | Also, try matching "ab" string with it and see if it makes third group non-null |
| 05:46.55 | slonopotamus | "ab" doesn't |
| 05:47.15 | RST38h | so when matching "ab", the third group is still null? |
| 05:47.21 | slonopotamus | yep |
| 05:47.33 | RST38h | broken glib, no trust in it whatsoever |
| 05:47.35 | slonopotamus | all groups _after_ matched thing are null |
| 05:47.42 | RST38h | try c{0,1} |
| 05:49.13 | slonopotamus | RST38h: with {0,1} it is empty string |
| 05:50.27 | slonopotamus | the funny thing is that pcre doesn't have this bug. it's in glib wrapper. |
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| 05:52.37 | RST38h | ~~ |
| 05:52.38 | infobot | well, ~ is the key |
| 05:52.44 | RST38h | slono: don't use that shit |
| 05:52.55 | RST38h | slono: Use POSIX |
| 05:54.10 | crashanddie | ~define anansie |
| 05:54.11 | infobot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 05:54.16 | crashanddie | ~dict anansie |
| 05:54.30 | crashanddie | ~google define:anansie |
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| 05:54.47 | crashanddie | ~useless |
| 05:54.48 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
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| 06:05.19 | JZA | hi got a question |
| 06:05.31 | JZA | I am trying to get barriosquare but I am not sure if I should use i386 or armel |
| 06:05.35 | JZA | I am on a N900 |
| 06:05.51 | JZA | N810 used armel, but dunno if N900 switch to a different architecture |
| 06:06.13 | luke-jr | N900 certainly isn't i386 |
| 06:06.16 | JZA | anyone can verify me on choosing armel |
| 06:06.18 | Wolfie | n900 is armel too |
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| 06:06.22 | JZA | ok |
| 06:06.25 | luke-jr | heck, I'm not sure *anything* is i386 anymore |
| 06:06.30 | JZA | anyone used barriosquare before? |
| 06:06.44 | JZA | luke-jr: well certainly they still doing builds for i386 |
| 06:06.53 | luke-jr | JZA: I thought even Debian moved to i586 |
| 06:07.09 | crashanddie | JZA: i386 is for the development environment on normal desktop computers -- don't worry about it |
| 06:07.21 | crashanddie | JZA: this being said, where are you getting it from? |
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| 06:08.05 | JZA | http://maemo.org/packages/view/barriosquare/ |
| 06:08.18 | JZA | this package is not on the repo, which I found odd |
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| 06:08.37 | Pforce | does javispedro named guy hang out here |
| 06:08.40 | Pforce | anyone know? |
| 06:08.51 | JZA | maybe I need to enable extras-devel |
| 06:08.52 | crashanddie | Pforce: yup |
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| 06:09.03 | crashanddie | ~seen javispedro |
| 06:09.04 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 12m 20s ago, saying: 'cya'. |
| 06:09.09 | Pforce | crashanddie: yeah just looking at his gles pages there for x86 target |
| 06:09.10 | crashanddie | JZA: only if you want to break your device |
| 06:09.16 | Pforce | could put more detailed stuf to wiki |
| 06:09.25 | Pforce | how to get it going |
| 06:09.49 | Chiku | ptl, oh he doesn't have nick _demands_PR1.2 |
| 06:09.51 | slonopotamus | RST38h, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588217 |
| 06:09.53 | povbot | Bug 588217: was not found. |
| 06:10.03 | JZA | crashanddie: so I should wait till they move that package to extras? |
| 06:10.06 | crashanddie | JZA: extras-devel is seriously broken for everyday use, maybe you could help out by testing this package and voting it up so that it goes to extras-testing and maemo extras |
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| 06:10.09 | slonopotamus | povbot, ... |
| 06:10.12 | povbot | slonopotamus: Error: "..." is not a valid command. |
| 06:10.20 | crashanddie | slonopotamus: failwhale |
| 06:10.25 | crashanddie | povbot: die |
| 06:10.25 | povbot | crashanddie: Error: "die" is not a valid command. |
| 06:10.30 | crashanddie | povbot: leave |
| 06:10.30 | povbot | crashanddie: Error: "leave" is not a valid command. |
| 06:10.31 | JZA | ok well it failed, I dont have qt4 here yet |
| 06:10.36 | slonopotamus | crashanddie, :) |
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| 06:10.37 | povbot | crashanddie: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 06:10.38 | JZA | and dont want to go through the process |
| 06:11.25 | crashanddie | JZA: then it probably depends on PR1.2 |
| 06:11.32 | crashanddie | JZA: you'll have to be patient |
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| 06:32.08 | n900-dk | crashanddie: Hope that I didn't hurt your feelings too much, I'm sorry that I didn't notice the actionpacked #maemo channel ;) The #n900 was already there, and was kind of boring.. |
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| 06:55.52 | MiXu- | What's the issue with tmo? I haven't been able to access it for a month or something like that. |
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| 06:56.08 | Stskeeps | WORKSFORME |
| 06:56.11 | MiXu- | But if I use a proxy, it works fine. |
| 06:56.27 | MiXu- | Can't access it from work or home. |
| 06:56.30 | Kurppa_ | Same here. It works from home, but does not work from the office. |
| 06:58.14 | Stskeeps | traceroute and mail reggie? |
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| 07:17.10 | slonopotamus | what's tana_fi, btw? |
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| 07:43.40 | dmj726 | any point in packaging clutter-box2d and the examples for it? |
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| 07:48.49 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:48.54 | amjad | morning jaffa |
| 07:48.54 | bullet` | morning |
| 07:49.05 | X-Fade | Morning |
| 07:51.05 | TigerTael | hey |
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| 07:54.10 | Dassu | god damn I regret teaching my mom to use skype since there is no answering machine my phone can vibrate 24/7 |
| 07:54.43 | X-Fade | Dassu: You know you can turn it off, right? :) |
| 07:54.50 | X-Fade | Or block your mom :D |
| 07:54.50 | Dassu | yep |
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| 07:54.55 | Dassu | and I did |
| 07:55.10 | X-Fade | But that just seems very wrong. |
| 07:55.18 | Dassu | X-Fade: wait I canblock contacs? :o |
| 07:56.24 | Dassu | hmm Gotta filter those spammers |
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| 08:10.37 | supertramp | guys |
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| 08:11.24 | supertramp | is it possible to define directory (or device) to be shared (exported) as a mass storage device for USB host? |
| 08:11.45 | Stskeeps | device yes, directory no |
| 08:12.19 | supertramp | Stskeeps: my idea is to have pseudo-device (truecrypt) exported as an MSTRG |
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| 08:13.35 | Stskeeps | so a cryptographic usb key, basically? :P |
| 08:13.55 | supertramp | yup - something like that |
| 08:14.07 | Stskeeps | should be possible i gues |
| 08:14.38 | supertramp | Stskeeps: please could you point me to documentation how the export can be made? |
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| 08:15.41 | Stskeeps | supertramp: g_file_storage module |
| 08:15.58 | supertramp | ah great |
| 08:16.01 | supertramp | thanks Stskeeps :) |
| 08:16.53 | Stskeeps | (cool idea, btw) |
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| 08:19.00 | crashanddie | supertramp: mind going into more detail? |
| 08:19.06 | crashanddie | yo spliffy |
| 08:19.11 | crashanddie | shit, tab-pwned |
| 08:19.13 | crashanddie | yo SpeedEvil |
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| 08:19.34 | TeQuillaaaA | hello |
| 08:19.45 | crashanddie | hello TeQuillaaaA |
| 08:19.50 | TeQuillaaaA | how can i install .jar files in easydebian? |
| 08:19.57 | TeQuillaaaA | any commands ? |
| 08:20.03 | TeQuillaaaA | forthe terminal |
| 08:20.04 | crashanddie | you can't install a .jar |
| 08:20.05 | TeQuillaaaA | *for the |
| 08:20.12 | crashanddie | you can run them, at best |
| 08:20.12 | TeQuillaaaA | why |
| 08:20.18 | TeQuillaaaA | okay |
| 08:20.20 | TeQuillaaaA | then run ;) |
| 08:20.21 | crashanddie | did you install java? |
| 08:20.22 | TeQuillaaaA | wait |
| 08:20.32 | TeQuillaaaA | how can i execute .jar files in easydebian? |
| 08:20.33 | TeQuillaaaA | :P |
| 08:20.42 | crashanddie | TeQuillaaaA: perfect, you need to install java first |
| 08:20.49 | TeQuillaaaA | :D |
| 08:20.49 | TeQuillaaaA | :DS |
| 08:20.51 | TeQuillaaaA | wait |
| 08:20.57 | crashanddie | TeQuillaaaA: apt-get install java |
| 08:21.02 | TeQuillaaaA | how can i install java in easydebian? |
| 08:21.04 | TeQuillaaaA | :P |
| 08:21.05 | TeQuillaaaA | ok |
| 08:21.53 | crashanddie | TeQuillaaaA: then, once java is installed, just type: java -jar /path/to/jarfile.jar |
| 08:22.13 | TeQuillaaaA | okay cool |
| 08:22.37 | TeQuillaaaA | i can only work as root with the debian chroot enviroment? |
| 08:22.50 | crashanddie | Don't know, never used easy debian |
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| 08:22.55 | TeQuillaaaA | okay |
| 08:23.02 | TeQuillaaaA | then i try something |
| 08:23.15 | crashanddie | I'm off |
| 08:23.22 | crashanddie | be back in a few minutes, just need to go home |
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| 08:24.56 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 08:26.20 | n900evil | maybe. |
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| 08:26.30 | n900evil | I haven't decided yet. |
| 08:27.17 | TeQuillaaaA | how can i become root on easy debian? |
| 08:27.21 | TeQuillaaaA | su |
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| 08:31.05 | Mece | hmm. is it common that installing mplayer messes up your system? |
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| 08:31.56 | pupnik | you installed additional codecs, didnt you |
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| 08:34.28 | Mece | not now, but before |
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| 08:42.36 | pupnik | that messed up media player for me |
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| 08:55.33 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:56.49 | konttori | morning hrw |
| 08:57.05 | frals | mornin all o/ |
| 08:57.18 | duffer | hi |
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| 09:00.10 | frals | annoying when restoring backup; if you decide not to force install of a package with missing deps the whole reinstalling of packages is aborted |
| 09:00.40 | MohammadAG | that fails :/ |
| 09:01.25 | MohammadAG | if only all packages with non broken packages used a pattern for version numbers |
| 09:01.28 | duffer | mmm not good can you run the backup manager from command line with switches? |
| 09:01.32 | MohammadAG | apt-pinning would help |
| 09:01.39 | frals | "Installation file corrupted" "Yes/No" - wtf? |
| 09:01.50 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 09:02.31 | MohammadAG | xarchiver fixed, again :) |
| 09:02.38 | Treibholz | finally I found a sane icalendar-module for python! Hurray! |
| 09:02.42 | MohammadAG | uninstallation was borked |
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| 09:03.20 | Treibholz | so CalDAV-sync is one step closer! :-) |
| 09:03.34 | mece | pupnik, ping |
| 09:03.54 | mece | pupnik, ping |
| 09:05.09 | duffer | duffer, ping |
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| 09:07.01 | mece | hmm my hildon-status-menu went apeshit after my mplayer fuckup.. |
| 09:07.31 | MohammadAG | killall hildon-status-menu :) |
| 09:07.44 | mece | sounds like a bad idea. |
| 09:08.44 | mece | craap. |
| 09:08.54 | mece | I'm at 100% with nothing running now :/ |
| 09:08.58 | mece | bleh |
| 09:09.11 | mece | hildon-status-menu and pulse run amok |
| 09:09.48 | duffer | reboot? |
| 09:09.56 | mece | done it 100 times already.. |
| 09:10.11 | BCMM | talking of pegging the cpu, anyway to run the app manager nice? |
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| 09:10.33 | pupnik | mece: hello |
| 09:10.39 | duffer | reflash |
| 09:10.41 | BCMM | ^any way |
| 09:10.45 | mece | pupnik, you said something about mplayer and codesc? |
| 09:10.47 | mece | codecs |
| 09:11.05 | pupnik | good point BCMM |
| 09:11.30 | supertramp | is there ntfs-3g support for maemo |
| 09:11.30 | supertramp | ? |
| 09:11.36 | pupnik | i asked whether extra codecs had been installed mece |
| 09:11.37 | BCMM | just installing big packages has made the wm lock up |
| 09:11.44 | mece | pupnik, yes they had. |
| 09:12.12 | BCMM | and it shouldn't be due to disk use on a solid state system |
| 09:12.17 | mece | pupnik, is there a way to fix this? |
| 09:12.18 | pupnik | well they screwed up media player for me. mplayer still works |
| 09:12.25 | mece | pupnik, yeah. |
| 09:12.37 | pupnik | hmm |
| 09:12.39 | mece | pupnik, however I removed just about everything, and it didn't start working again. |
| 09:12.59 | mece | and also, now hildon-status-menu and pulse combined eat 100% cpu constantly. |
| 09:13.02 | BCMM | can one change the environment the gui runs in? then i could insert a wrapper script |
| 09:13.09 | pupnik | owww |
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| 09:13.44 | mece | and now there has appeared some errors on the [x] button in xterm! wow. That's fucked up. |
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| 09:14.23 | duffer | reflash and be done |
| 09:14.37 | mece | I don't have a usb cable right now. |
| 09:14.42 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.00 | BCMM | hmm, apt itself doesn't have a config file to make it nice does it? |
| 09:15.11 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.19 | mece | that's nice. |
| 09:15.35 | pupnik | at 250mhz |
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| 09:18.29 | duffer | 2.9% :-) |
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| 09:20.30 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: stock mplayer? |
| 09:20.37 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: what does playing wavs look like? |
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| 09:23.25 | Scelt | konttori: are you having bad connection? |
| 09:23.53 | konttori | Hmm... perhaps I am. I'm under wlan, but the connection might be flaky. |
| 09:24.50 | Scelt | I see. You have just been reconnecting quite often. Maybe sometimes you just quit normally so it distracts my internal statistics engine |
| 09:25.30 | konttori | well, also, my mac is 'green' so, it's shutting down in 5 minutes if I don't use it (or no download is in progress) |
| 09:25.46 | SpeedEvil | My thinkpad is black. |
| 09:25.51 | konttori | (you know, linux distro, or video podcast on torrent) |
| 09:26.06 | Scelt | sure sure :) |
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| 09:27.26 | Treibholz | is that normal: I get a notification for every mail I get in my activesync Exchange-account, not only for those that reach the inbox, also those in the other folders. |
| 09:28.33 | duffer | my asus 901 is white, big mistake ;-) |
| 09:29.20 | Treibholz | my IdeaPad S10e, too. Very bad idea... |
| 09:30.02 | BCMM | which highlighting text editors are available? |
| 09:30.17 | Treibholz | PyGTKEditor, vim |
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| 09:30.45 | duffer | leafpad |
| 09:31.11 | BCMM | i finally got latex working :) |
| 09:31.22 | duffer | in extras i think |
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| 09:37.38 | duffer | has anybody got sygic? how is it? |
| 09:37.43 | Stskeeps | i like it |
| 09:38.21 | duffer | cool maybe after payday :-) |
| 09:38.52 | duffer | routes sensible? |
| 09:40.10 | jacekowski | i got it from torrent shop |
| 09:40.11 | duffer | hehe |
| 09:40.11 | jacekowski | and i think you can get sygic from sygic website for free |
| 09:40.19 | jacekowski | but you pay for maps |
| 09:40.28 | duffer | oh ok |
| 09:41.11 | jacekowski | well, i'm not going to spend almost 70 quid on piece of software that i'm going to use once a month |
| 09:41.30 | jacekowski | because it works out to be more expensive than normal tomtom gps |
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| 09:42.27 | duffer | i the licence transferable to future meego devices?? |
| 09:43.03 | duffer | is |
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| 09:47.53 | supertramp | is it safe to format /dev/mmcblk0p1 on n900? |
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| 09:57.53 | SpeedEvil | Does modest only do email? |
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| 09:59.24 | Treibholz | SpeedEvil: yes, and not very good... |
| 09:59.31 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 09:59.37 | SpeedEvil | wonders where it's started. |
| 09:59.46 | SpeedEvil | I never actually want to use it, and it's eating my RAM |
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| 10:18.33 | corecode | i don't think maps/gps works at all without network |
| 10:18.51 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: megabits per what? |
| 10:19.00 | Scelt | or actually millibits |
| 10:19.00 | corecode | i was walking around in paris yesterday without network and i did not get a lock |
| 10:20.47 | Anss| | a-gps might need network, gps should not |
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| 10:22.44 | achipa | SpeedEvil: if you ever manage to get Modest to do the laundry, too, let me know ! |
| 10:25.35 | corecode | well, i'd be happy if it would store the sent mails on the server |
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| 10:28.24 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to get a backup state with flasher? |
| 10:28.57 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to backup my current state exactly - to an image on my desktop, that I can then restore if I bork stuff. |
| 10:29.01 | timeless_mbp | eyes Scelt |
| 10:29.26 | Scelt | s/ey/dy/ |
| 10:29.51 | Scelt | "Achtung! Ich bin ein negro" |
| 10:30.04 | Scelt | or which color did you use? |
| 10:30.13 | gouverneur | ? |
| 10:30.14 | SpeedEvil | pink. |
| 10:30.19 | Scelt | damn |
| 10:30.32 | timeless_mbp | Scelt: did you nick complete the wrong person? |
| 10:30.49 | Scelt | I can sing now, but with a bit of feminine voice |
| 10:30.49 | gouverneur | SpeedEvil: inter (looking for it) resting question |
| 10:31.02 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: no. I tried to ask what that mbp stands for |
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| 10:33.37 | riz_ | hello everyone |
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| 10:34.05 | riz_ | trying to us fMMS on n900 with vodafone uk. Get the name or service not known error whatever I do. any ideas? |
| 10:34.15 | riz_ | I'm using the "Vodafone internet gprs" APN. |
| 10:34.38 | timeless_mbp | macbook pro |
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| 10:35.02 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: kewl |
| 10:35.36 | timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?q=mbp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 10:35.42 | timeless_mbp | i'm feeling lucky fwiw :) |
| 10:36.00 | timeless_mbp | heck, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBP - i'm feeling wikipedia :) |
| 10:36.52 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManBearPig |
| 10:37.11 | timeless_mbp | yeah, not that one :) |
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| 10:41.32 | jacekowski | riz_: you have to use mms apn |
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| 10:41.57 | riz_ | jacekowski: any pointers? |
| 10:42.47 | frals | riz_: http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#Vodafone_UK |
| 10:44.16 | sECuRE | hm, do .Xresources get used in maemo? there is no xrdb |
| 10:44.30 | riz_ | frals: how do I create new APN? |
| 10:45.04 | jacekowski | fAPN i think |
| 10:45.37 | riz_ | jacekowski: thanks |
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| 10:48.47 | mece | what's the package for the standard media player? I could try reinstall it.. |
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| 10:50.36 | mece | oh whadya know, it's "mediaplayer" |
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| 11:18.16 | jacekowski | usb port on my laptop is starting to have problems |
| 11:18.58 | SpeedEvil | passes jacekowski a soldering iron. |
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| 11:19.42 | jacekowski | nah, it's mechanical problem |
| 11:20.02 | jacekowski | these small springy bits inside are worn out |
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| 11:20.22 | jacekowski | and any slightest touch in downwards direction makes it lose contact |
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| 11:59.43 | andrewfblack | stumbles in...its do dang early to be awake and at work |
| 12:00.38 | andrewfblack | wow I made http://maemo.org/news/ |
| 12:01.01 | andrewfblack | and my first blog post in 2 weeks with no down votes lol |
| 12:02.43 | lcuk | mmm why are meego screenies downvoted? |
| 12:02.46 | lcuk | on planet |
| 12:02.56 | Ken-Young | andrewfblack, Is there a page somewhere that shows screenshots of all your Maemo 5 themes? |
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| 12:03.26 | andrewfblack | lcuk: because they are intel meego screenies I would say |
| 12:04.01 | andrewfblack | lcuk: I downvoted symbian freak one before just because I wanted to comment and thy make you sign up for forums to comment on blog |
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| 12:05.10 | andrewfblack | Ken-Young: no not really I'm very bad at updating my site. The only offically completed theme I have is maemo-org others are all still in devel. Several because I just havn't moved them over to testing yet. |
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| 12:06.00 | andrewfblack | needs an assistant to keep site updated lol |
| 12:06.05 | lcuk | andrewfblack, thats not the fault of planet tho and you got the info you wanted |
| 12:06.23 | lcuk | "i downvoted you today because the subtle shade of green on your site was reflecting badly in my glasses |
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| 12:06.49 | lcuk | mornin MohammadAG |
| 12:07.10 | MohammadAG | Afternoon lcuk ;) |
| 12:07.25 | E0x | hmmm the fm radio something stop working |
| 12:07.44 | lcuk | MohammadAG, http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 12:07.50 | E0x | and a msg appear in the screen bluetooth on , look like the bluetooth is turn-off |
| 12:07.55 | andrewfblack | lcuk: what you don't like my green :) |
| 12:08.02 | E0x | ( and i think control the FM receiver ) |
| 12:08.15 | lcuk | heh andrewfblack |
| 12:09.21 | MohammadAG | night lcuk |
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| 12:09.32 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 12:09.40 | andrewfblack | lcuk: I can understand people down voting the meego screenies since for one they people really just reposted information that has been posted several places and two because they are screenies released by intel and since each company is going to due their own UI it is not screenshots of Nokia Meego |
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| 12:16.50 | E0x | meego screenshots look like moblin |
| 12:16.52 | E0x | interface |
| 12:16.56 | E0x | but black |
| 12:17.23 | E0x | i mean all black |
| 12:17.31 | E0x | http://static.arstechnica.com/mobbeta1/Screenshot3.png |
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| 12:19.45 | E0x | i guess that clutter app have that lookandfeel |
| 12:20.30 | Lumpio- | Oh wow. |
| 12:20.35 | Lumpio- | Mystery meat navigation ftw |
| 12:20.49 | Lumpio- | I can't tell what half of the icons mean |
| 12:21.21 | Lumpio- | "Holy shit, my ears are speakers", heart monitor, creepy guy behind you, donut, music note, boring statistics, geometric shapes, oOo |
| 12:21.35 | Lumpio- | Out of those, I only really "get" the music note. |
| 12:21.35 | nid0 | availability, status, contacts, cooking hob, music, slice of cake, slice of cake + pie, and the earth with 2 moons? |
| 12:21.45 | mece | can mplayer play nice with mediaplayer if one doesn't have the extra decoders installed? |
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| 12:45.59 | rmrfchik | 108325.607604] FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk1p1) |
| 12:46.02 | rmrfchik | [108325.607635] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
| 12:46.04 | rmrfchik | :(( |
| 12:47.38 | fabinader | Hi all... I'm aving problems compiling my application on Scratchbox for N900, I use #include_next on my personal implementation of netinet/icmp6.h in order to extend /usr/include/netinet/icmp6.h, but when I compile it in Scratchbox I receive an error such that it means gcc didn't "merged" the two icmp6.h files... More, I received a feedback with -v sucha s "ignoring duplicate directory '/usr/include' as it is a non-system directo |
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| 12:57.16 | Ebzzry | If I'm not going to use Ovi maps, is it safe to delete ~/MyDocs/cities/ ? |
| 12:57.40 | TigerTael | What do you fear? |
| 12:57.45 | lcuk | Ebzzry, dunno, just leave it there unless you are in need of space |
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| 12:58.19 | MohammadAG | Ebzzry, it's only map data |
| 12:58.55 | Ebzzry | Maybe needing it later? Maybe it's used by another app? |
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| 12:59.42 | Ebzzry | TigerTael: isn't my question too simple for you to ask what I fear about it? |
| 12:59.58 | TigerTael | Ebzzry, well, it will only delete your map cache? |
| 13:01.07 | Ebzzry | TigerTael: OK |
| 13:01.25 | Ebzzry | TigerTael: that makes up for a better answer. |
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| 13:10.22 | crashanddie | fabinader: not sure I understand what you're trying to achieve |
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| 13:12.40 | crashanddie | fabinader: more specifically, I don't understand the "extend" part. This isn't C++, it's C. Why would you use the same filenames? |
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| 13:15.22 | fabinader | crashanddie: we're extending ICPMv6 options headers, and as such using #include_next <netinet/icmp6.h> in order to "extend" the set of ICMP options... |
| 13:15.52 | javispedro | smells scratchbox breakage |
| 13:16.03 | javispedro | oh, and, morning. |
| 13:16.17 | X-Fade | morning javispedro :) |
| 13:17.33 | javispedro | cloaaaks :) |
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| 13:19.14 | crashanddie | fabinader: #include_next is usually considered bad practise |
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| 13:19.49 | crashanddie | fabinader: you should _not_ use include_next to adapt your program, rather, you should only use include_next when you are fixing a system-wide library. |
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| 13:20.28 | lcuk | thats what hes doing crashanddie - the system provided one is not correct for his needs |
| 13:21.34 | crashanddie | then just include it, and modify what you need after inclusion |
| 13:21.35 | fabinader | crashanddie: OK, the only problem is that we're not the "owners" of teh application we're extending... We're extending a Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6 implementation named UMIP/Nautilus, an open-source project, and it is in their code the #include_next.... |
| 13:21.51 | crashanddie | fabinader: hmm |
| 13:22.30 | fabinader | I can certainly do it as per-file basis, but then I stop being backward-compatible with the open-source project... I don't want to fork forever :p |
| 13:23.13 | crashanddie | fabinader: maybe the upstream open source developers can help out? This is a pretty unique and obscure usage of GCC -- doubt you'll find anyone in #maemo who's comfortable with it. |
| 13:23.19 | crashanddie | fabinader: that or #gcc |
| 13:24.05 | crashanddie | fabinader: this being said, could you put the output of gcc in a pastebin? |
| 13:24.22 | fabinader | crashanddie: Yeap... One sec... |
| 13:25.30 | fabinader | crashanddie: compilation in Linux is http://maemo.pastebin.com/zSG9xDbX |
| 13:26.01 | fabinader | crashanddie: compilation in Scratchbox is http://maemo.pastebin.com/v70zNkvt |
| 13:26.45 | MohammadAG | wants a SIXAXIS attachment for the N900 |
| 13:27.51 | Appiah | MohammadAG: I was thinking about that the other day |
| 13:28.17 | Appiah | hmm |
| 13:28.19 | MohammadAG | i was thinking of a desgin similar to the keypad |
| 13:28.38 | MohammadAG | the official keypad for the sixaxis/DS3 |
| 13:28.52 | Appiah | huh? |
| 13:28.53 | crashanddie | fabinader: first of, scratchbox's gcc is 4.2, whereas your linux's gcc is 4.3 |
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| 13:29.25 | crashanddie | fabinader: second, you get the "as it is a non-system directory that duplicates a system directory" error in both scratchbox and linux |
| 13:29.56 | Treibholz | MohammadAG: isn't there a bluetooth-version? |
| 13:30.09 | MohammadAG | Treibholz, it is bt |
| 13:30.15 | MohammadAG | Appiah, http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sony-ps3-wireless-keypad-1.jpg |
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| 13:30.27 | fabinader | crashanddie: in other words, the "as it is a non-system directory that duplicates a system directory" is probably not the source of the problem, right? |
| 13:30.49 | MohammadAG | steal design + add tilting mechanism + rip keys off = stand |
| 13:30.57 | Appiah | :) |
| 13:31.00 | crashanddie | fabinader: why are you specifying /include as a isystem, but not /usr/include ? |
| 13:31.13 | Appiah | I got 2 sixaxis controllers doing nothing |
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| 13:31.29 | MohammadAG | I have a PS3 |
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| 13:31.38 | MohammadAG | got blocked from psn sadly |
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| 13:31.46 | Appiah | Would be cool to build something like that |
| 13:31.46 | MohammadAG | cause i refused to update |
| 13:31.55 | Chewtoy | Anyone know of a nice foldable bluetooth keybord that works with n810? |
| 13:31.56 | Appiah | umm |
| 13:31.58 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: you're an idiot :P |
| 13:32.09 | Appiah | that update that would brick/ remove install other os? |
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| 13:32.18 | fabinader | crashanddie: that was generated automatically from the open-source project's ./configure we're extending from... That's a good question... |
| 13:32.30 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, is that a compliment? |
| 13:32.32 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:32.56 | MohammadAG | Appiah, it removes Other OS, which in my case is linux |
| 13:33.03 | fabinader | crashanddie: for your information, if I change from -isystem ../include to -I../system, then it works on Scratchbox... I can always change that on Makefile.am, but then I also fork... :( |
| 13:33.30 | MohammadAG | waits for a reply from crashanddie |
| 13:33.56 | crashanddie | fabinader: no no, -isystem defines that the directory specified is a system directory (and is looked into after the initial inclusion path) |
| 13:34.21 | crashanddie | man this doesn't make sense |
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| 13:34.49 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, well you didn't make sense the other day :P |
| 13:35.17 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: no, not a compliment. You're denying yourself the usage of the PSN just in order to keep the benefit of using a barely usable OS |
| 13:35.34 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, err I was using a proxy |
| 13:35.47 | MohammadAG | but it was blocked yesterday |
| 13:35.47 | fabinader | crashanddie: Thanks anyway, I will take the suggestion of removing #include_next issue to the UMIP/Nautilus mailing list... |
| 13:36.23 | crashanddie | fabinader: it could very well be that I don't grasp what they're trying to accomplish -- it may make more sense to an experienced developer |
| 13:36.38 | inkbottle | Hi, I'm totally newbie, i don't even have any kind of smart phone yet; my purpose here is to collect more information: what would you say n900 is better than android? (i precise i'm debian user so far; and also i'm not here for any kind of troll; and i never had any of those two phones in hand) |
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| 13:37.01 | crashanddie | fabinader: before asking them to change it, make a proper request for documentation -- if you're wasting time because of this, they ought to be clarifying it. |
| 13:37.09 | MohammadAG | phone feaures: android |
| 13:37.18 | MohammadAG | linux geek: N900 |
| 13:37.19 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 13:37.39 | DrGrov | Gooood day ya all! |
| 13:37.40 | fabinader | crashanddie: sure, will try this first :) thanks a lot! |
| 13:38.08 | DrGrov | has to ask if PR 1.2 has become available........... |
| 13:38.19 | crashanddie | DrGrov: do you have an update icon? |
| 13:38.27 | frosty` | you dont *have* to DrGov |
| 13:38.48 | crashanddie | inkbottle: it really depends on the kind of usage you want |
| 13:39.04 | DrGrov | crashanddie: no, i haven't an update icon. haven't kept it connected to my home wlan or any other 3g/grps connection in a week or so. |
| 13:39.04 | gouverneur | ~curse DrGrov |
| 13:39.05 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, DrGrov ! |
| 13:39.17 | Treibholz | crashanddie: what do you want to do with it? |
| 13:39.27 | DrGrov | crashanddie: you have an update icon available? |
| 13:40.16 | crashanddie | DrGrov: yes |
| 13:40.16 | Treibholz | ups, sorry |
| 13:40.17 | gouverneur | I got one yesterday |
| 13:40.17 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, there is an update icon even if you're offline :) |
| 13:40.17 | Treibholz | inkbottle: what do you want to do with it? |
| 13:40.17 | MohammadAG | third one in app manager |
| 13:40.18 | inkbottle | MohammadAG, the use i target is the one of a very small computer, so N900; but i wonder if nexus phone hardware is not way ahead; last point: wouldn't android phone have some kind of gadgets i couldn't even bear. |
| 13:40.18 | nid0 | facepalms |
| 13:40.19 | DrGrov | MohammadAG: ah, haven't actually seen any such since it hasn't been connected to wlan or such. |
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| 13:40.24 | crashanddie | inkbottle: if you don't mind spending money on applications, and want a device that offers good usability and don't mind trading privacy for Google's implementation, go for the android |
| 13:40.44 | DrGrov | MohammadAG: so, if I connect to my home WLAN now I should get an update icon for something... ? |
| 13:40.55 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 13:41.08 | DrGrov | I got one update icon a week or so for Pidgin and some other application |
| 13:41.10 | gouverneur | DrGrov: depends |
| 13:41.19 | DrGrov | gouverneur: depends on what? applications I keep installed? |
| 13:41.20 | nid0 | In fairness to the android market, the large majority of android apps are free |
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| 13:42.08 | inkbottle | crashanddie, Treibholz, sorry i'm been long to answer |
| 13:42.11 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, if apps you have installed have been updated |
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| 13:42.29 | DrGrov | MohammadAG: yeah, I had apps updated but nothing major... |
| 13:42.36 | DrGrov | MohammadAG: so still need to wait for PR 1.2? |
| 13:42.37 | gouverneur | DrGrov: I would guess I depends on the love of our gods |
| 13:42.53 | gouverneur | it... |
| 13:42.59 | MohammadAG | err |
| 13:43.00 | crashanddie | inkbottle: if however you want a device that will have some issues, however allows you to almost do whatever you want (only a few bits aren't open source), and you want to have a pretty unique device, want to help the community in building a better OS and framework... go for the n900 |
| 13:43.01 | DrGrov | gouverneur: i agree, it might be a complete fluke .... |
| 13:43.21 | hrw | it is just 6.5 month to November |
| 13:43.33 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, PR1.2 hasn't been released |
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| 13:43.43 | gouverneur | hrw: damn this close again |
| 13:43.52 | gouverneur | runs for christmas shopping |
| 13:43.54 | JakubS_ | does n900 have any api to react to sms arrival? for example to discard it? |
| 13:43.59 | MohammadAG | wonders if PR1.2 pings some people |
| 13:44.20 | gouverneur | ~ping PR1.2 |
| 13:44.20 | infobot | pong PR1.2 |
| 13:44.33 | JakubS_ | damn 1.2. I cannot install qtirreco anymore :-( |
| 13:44.49 | gouverneur | ? |
| 13:44.54 | inkbottle | crashanddie, Treibholz, MohammadAG: now a more specific question: what is the weight of the phone operator, on the device you have in hand, in the case of N900? (i'm not sure i made myself clear) |
| 13:45.02 | gouverneur | damn qtirreco I hav installed.... |
| 13:45.17 | nid0 | inkbottle: if you're asking about customisations from the operator, none |
| 13:45.33 | JakubS_ | gouverneur: probably before they started depending on packages from 1.2 |
| 13:45.53 | MohammadAG | inkbottle, err not sure what you mean |
| 13:45.57 | gouverneur | JakubS_: I have one up to date from testing and no problems |
| 13:46.13 | DrGrov | Damn I need more themes for the N900 |
| 13:46.19 | JakubS_ | huh, let me check again |
| 13:46.21 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, the dependencies depend on PR1.2 stuff |
| 13:46.27 | MohammadAG | qtirreco is broken |
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| 13:46.35 | DrGrov | It looks so dull somehow with the regular two themes.... |
| 13:46.37 | gouverneur | let me check.. |
| 13:46.37 | MohammadAG | (I have it from before though) |
| 13:46.50 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, do an apt-get upgrade in terminal |
| 13:47.05 | MohammadAG | pyside* should be held back |
| 13:47.18 | gouverneur | MohammadAG: I do that once a day in like update upgrade dist-upgrade order |
| 13:47.33 | MohammadAG | err don't do dist-upgrades |
| 13:47.35 | inkbottle | nid0, I think it's what i mean, "they" would had applications, or peaces of software or hardware, that would modify the behavior of the stuff; plus, could i change the software of my phone (eg putting debian instead of maemo, without getting into kinds of troubles.) |
| 13:47.46 | inkbottle | MohammadAG, |
| 13:47.47 | gouverneur | is it just from today? |
| 13:48.11 | nid0 | inkbottle: you cant simply replace maemo with debian, no. you can use easydebian to run debian as chroot from inside maemo though. |
| 13:48.19 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, pyside-qt4-core pyside-qt4-gui should be held back |
| 13:48.28 | JakubS_ | yup, broken. had to reflash the phone so i lost previously installed version |
| 13:48.30 | inkbottle | i think i't so in the case of android. (?) |
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| 13:48.39 | gouverneur | nope |
| 13:48.40 | nid0 | what's so? |
| 13:48.49 | inkbottle | nid0, why? |
| 13:48.56 | nid0 | why what? |
| 13:49.20 | MohammadAG | JakubS_, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip |
| 13:49.36 | MohammadAG | install all packages there then attempt to reinstall qtirreco |
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| 13:49.55 | JakubS_ | thanks. I already got used to controlling tv with n900 :-) |
| 13:50.00 | MohammadAG | inkbottle, you can install a different OS, but it will be limited |
| 13:50.07 | inkbottle | nid0, i think for android, the operators add pieces of customisation. "Why", can't i put debian instead of maemo? |
| 13:50.17 | inkbottle | MohammadAG, |
| 13:50.18 | inkbottle | ok |
| 13:50.29 | JakubS_ | google should add qt to system libs - it would be easy to target both maemo and android at the same time |
| 13:50.34 | nid0 | well you can if you really want to, but youll then have a phone that cant make phone calls any more |
| 13:50.38 | MohammadAG | inkbottle, you can install mer, but it's not accelerated and can't use the modem (no calls) |
| 13:50.42 | inkbottle | MohammadAG, limited because of the adaptation to the hardware? |
| 13:50.54 | inkbottle | i see |
| 13:50.58 | MohammadAG | inkbottle, no because some drivers are closed |
| 13:51.08 | inkbottle | ok |
| 13:51.12 | gouverneur | maybe because I apt-source the sdk aswell... |
| 13:51.42 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, err |
| 13:51.44 | gouverneur | well just tools actualy so a no on this... |
| 13:52.05 | MohammadAG | there's no such thing as apt-source |
| 13:52.05 | inkbottle | nid0, ok |
| 13:52.09 | gouverneur | I have nothin held back |
| 13:52.12 | |R | wow wtf, i just realised the fm radio player puts the volume at the first level above mute and can't be raised with the hardware key.. |
| 13:52.25 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, then you don't have devel enabled |
| 13:52.32 | gouverneur | MohammadAG: I am talking literaly! |
| 13:52.44 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 13:52.48 | JakubS_ | |R: on n900 volume sucks in general :-( |
| 13:53.02 | gouverneur | you cant google do you? (well since its in dictonaries you can but you know what I mean) |
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| 13:53.21 | inkbottle | Now a funny question: had on of you installed gnome3/gnome-shell? |
| 13:53.28 | gouverneur | MohammadAG: as I said from testing |
| 13:53.50 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, packages in devel aren't broken |
| 13:54.21 | gouverneur | no devel over her |
| 13:54.29 | gouverneur | s/her/here/ |
| 13:54.47 | MohammadAG | s/devel/testing/ |
| 13:54.56 | gouverneur | you see |
| 13:55.19 | gouverneur | but it is a known issue since the upgrade of the SDK so why you even try? |
| 13:55.21 | MohammadAG | 10 chat windows, not thinking about what i'm saying so... |
| 13:55.44 | X-Fade | gouverneur: Yes, and we're very close to an solution for this. |
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| 13:56.07 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, cause it works... |
| 13:56.20 | gouverneur | broken != works |
| 13:56.27 | gouverneur | at least on my side of the globe |
| 13:56.30 | MohammadAG | oh for the love of... |
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| 13:56.41 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, download the package and check before you argue |
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| 13:56.45 | javispedro | note though that the Qt breakage is a bit worse |
| 13:56.54 | javispedro | not much can be done about it.. |
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| 13:57.27 | MohammadAG | javispedro, except installing the old packages |
| 13:57.38 | MohammadAG | or rebuilding against the PR1.1.1 SDK |
| 13:58.04 | gouverneur | thats what I am talking about... |
| 13:58.17 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, that's what i did |
| 13:58.23 | gouverneur | hehe |
| 13:58.26 | MohammadAG | gouverneur, read your scroll back |
| 13:58.45 | MohammadAG | i gave him old version of pyside-Qt that aren't broken |
| 13:59.00 | javispedro | qt also theoretically can be put in the device since it's pretty much independent from the rest of the device |
| 13:59.04 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> JakubS_, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip |
| 13:59.18 | gouverneur | ah nice |
| 13:59.19 | MohammadAG | javispedro, xarchiver in extras-devel :) |
| 13:59.34 | javispedro | I saw the thread |
| 13:59.53 | gouverneur | well well bakc to work |
| 14:00.08 | javispedro | so much stuff depends on pyside already? |
| 14:00.16 | MohammadAG | qtirreco does |
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| 14:00.31 | supertramp | guys - how do you manipulate with application menu? |
| 14:00.38 | supertramp | customizing it and so on |
| 14:00.41 | MohammadAG | define manipulate |
| 14:00.47 | Scelt | arrange icons? |
| 14:00.54 | MohammadAG | moving icons? wait for PR1.2 |
| 14:00.58 | Scelt | ;D |
| 14:01.01 | Scelt | PR1.2! |
| 14:01.17 | supertramp | yup - adding own applications to the menu (like script / executables etc) |
| 14:01.29 | supertramp | or removing unwanted |
| 14:01.34 | frosty` | can we get the bot to spit a daily count of the number of times PR1.2 shows up? |
| 14:01.42 | MohammadAG | supertramp, make a .desktop file and place it in /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 14:01.59 | supertramp | kk - thx MohammadAG! |
| 14:01.59 | MohammadAG | frosty`, download logs and count manually :P |
| 14:02.19 | frosty` | MohammadAG: lol, okay. |
| 14:02.24 | MohammadAG | (or just find using an app that shows how many times it's said) |
| 14:02.41 | MohammadAG | or just cat the logs and wc -l them :) |
| 14:03.04 | JakubS_ | just look at huge and pointless thread on talk.maemo.org |
| 14:03.05 | frosty` | MohammadAG: perhaps the bot can just reply with "wait, what? 1.2? where?!" |
| 14:03.26 | nid0 | personally i'd rather see it reply with kicking the person from the channel |
| 14:04.02 | frosty` | nid0: or that =/ |
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| 14:06.20 | MohammadAG | <nid0> personally i'd rather see it reply with kicking the person from the channel |
| 14:06.25 | MohammadAG | chanserv :) |
| 14:06.51 | MohammadAG | we have that on our server, but it kills instead of kicking (not using chanserv obviously) :P |
| 14:08.21 | inkbottle | crashanddie, Treibholz, MohammadAG: okay then, so i'm now on the way to obtain the phone (n900), i was in line with my operator... and it seems the thing is not to be done so easily :) |
| 14:08.57 | MohammadAG | oh about the customizations, they can't be done for now |
| 14:09.17 | inkbottle | however i'm done with questions for now; and many thanks for all of you |
| 14:09.21 | MohammadAG | but there is something about about locking the device to a SIM |
| 14:09.32 | MohammadAG | (in PR1.2) |
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| 14:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | smebody asked for autokick? |
| 14:13.53 | andrewfblack | graph of my site visitors looks like a crasy roller coster. 50 - 70 people everyday except days I post a blog post then I jump to 400 to 1200 |
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| 14:14.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, please? :) |
| 14:14.11 | sivang | has anyone got the note about the developer summit moved to London? |
| 14:14.14 | sivang | such great news! |
| 14:14.20 | autobuilder | :P |
| 14:14.31 | Anss| | andrewfblack, you are almost a famous then :) |
| 14:17.04 | frals | sivang: link? |
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| 14:18.26 | sivang | frals: I got it part of the email from FNC |
| 14:18.37 | sivang | frals: so not sure where the link is, I am sure it is somewhere if you google for it. |
| 14:19.39 | JakubS_ | d |
| 14:20.24 | JakubS_ | why did i even bother with extra packages when "apt-get install qtirreco=0.3.0-1" works |
| 14:20.54 | korhojoa | MohammadAG: since apr 5'th, my logs show 93 entries of PR1.2 |
| 14:20.58 | supertramp | how to restrict maemo autoindexing facilities like automatic search for pictures / music etc. on specific directories? |
| 14:21.06 | JakubS_ | MohammadAG: pyside is not good enough for newest qtirreco because it explicitly depends on libqt4-* > 4.6 |
| 14:21.31 | supertramp | is it possible? |
| 14:22.02 | gouverneur | supertramp: /home/user/.config/tracker |
| 14:22.07 | korhojoa | just do: "head -n1 \#maemo.log && cat \#maemo.log | grep PR1.2 | wc -l" and you should get a nice statistic |
| 14:22.13 | supertramp | gouverneur: thx! |
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| 14:22.36 | sivang | supertramp: alexander ? :) |
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| 14:22.46 | gouverneur | supertramp: copy tracker to tracker.bak before you srew up |
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| 14:23.00 | gouverneur | s/srew/screw/ |
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| 14:23.11 | supertramp | gouverneur: understand :) |
| 14:23.14 | korhojoa | s/test/fail |
| 14:23.31 | supertramp | sivang: my hero :) |
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| 14:27.18 | sivang | supertramp: super apple ? |
| 14:27.41 | zash | sivang: suger apple? |
| 14:27.45 | supertramp | supersonic |
| 14:29.43 | gouverneur | supertramp: what do you want to change? |
| 14:29.51 | GAN900 | Too early in the morning. |
| 14:30.19 | supertramp | gouverneur: myself mostly |
| 14:31.11 | gouverneur | supertramp: first step in the right direction... |
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| 14:33.10 | supertramp | :) |
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| 14:35.28 | supertramp | I'm missing rc.local - if I do script in init.d - link it into the rc2.d - after all - it's ignored during next start (not started) |
| 14:35.39 | supertramp | any idea how to proceed? :) |
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| 14:39.29 | gouverneur | supertramp: what does your script with "$script start" initiated |
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| 14:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: sleep away your jetlag! |
| 14:42.01 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, no time! No time! |
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| 14:43.09 | peetah | gni ? no mpd for N900 ? |
| 14:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you were going west? so dawning in the middle of the night now? |
| 14:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | err east |
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| 14:44.46 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, woke up at 7 local, 10 EDT |
| 14:45.19 | peetah | I can find several clients but no port of the server ... am I blind or has'nt it been ported ? |
| 14:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: 3h - that's nothing pal ;-P |
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| 14:47.11 | supertramp | gouverneur: yup - it has complete 'lifecycle' implemented |
| 14:47.24 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, well, 3 hours last night, 9 hours of flying and Texrat getting in at 11:30 last night. |
| 14:47.32 | GAN900 | er, 3 hours night before. |
| 14:47.42 | supertramp | there must be some maemo trick :) |
| 14:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: anyway, enjoy your time. Fight for a good meego :-) |
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| 14:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | once again for some advertisement :-P |
| 14:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html |
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| 14:55.03 | supertramp | are you guys using devel kernels? |
| 14:55.11 | till- | wants c6 with maemo |
| 14:55.22 | supertramp | what's c6? |
| 14:55.31 | Joonas | new Nokia phone? |
| 14:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | ctrl+backspace behaves like alt-tab on desktop (at least on KDE). While ctrl is pressed, every press of backspace rotates the windows. When ctrl is released, the selected (top left) window is activated. :-)) |
| 14:56.23 | till- | yes new phone with qwerty |
| 14:56.32 | supertramp | nice |
| 14:56.41 | till- | i like the slim design |
| 14:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how much cuter matan has to be, compared to Nokia GUI designers |
| 14:56.53 | hrw | till-: 640x360px rather |
| 14:57.11 | till- | maemomized of course :) |
| 14:57.20 | SpeedEvil | neat! |
| 14:57.21 | BCMM_ | did somebody says the other day that Flashlight ( http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Flashlight&fldAuto=1059&faq=43 ) will kill the flash LED? |
| 14:57.23 | supertramp | c6 will be linux-based? |
| 14:57.29 | hrw | supertramp: no, s60 |
| 14:57.30 | till- | nope, s60 |
| 14:57.34 | peetah | noone about MPD ? |
| 14:57.36 | supertramp | blah |
| 14:57.38 | supertramp | s60 sucks |
| 14:57.44 | till- | but i hope the n900 successor will be something like the c6 |
| 14:57.54 | till- | in terms of design |
| 14:58.01 | nid0 | it wont be |
| 14:58.21 | till- | and with xenon flash |
| 14:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | C6 is a newly invented cpu-suspend state, where the cpu is suspended so deep it even creates power to recharge the battery |
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| 14:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: no, flashlight is considered safe. At least it's been last time I checked |
| 14:59.45 | nid0 | personally I do desperately hope that the C6 is an indication that nokia have realised just how dreadfully awful 3line keyboards are, and have gone back to adding at least one more |
| 14:59.53 | supertramp | ah - maemo is using upstart not init.d |
| 14:59.55 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: good good, looks useful |
| 14:59.56 | till- | http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-77621-galleryV9-cluv.jpg |
| 15:00.44 | BCMM_ | talking of the camera, i'm being a little dense - how do i shoot video? |
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| 15:00.59 | zash | DocScrutinizer: thats nothing, the next-gen C7 state allows a dualcore system to use one CPU to power the other! |
| 15:01.03 | BCMM_ | (i mean, short of just starting mencoder) |
| 15:01.06 | till- | is there any information about a n900 successor? |
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| 15:01.34 | till- | i've only heard something about second half of 2010 |
| 15:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: (3row kbd) ack!! |
| 15:02.07 | nid0 | tbh 4row should be the barest minimum, decent devices deserve 5row |
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| 15:03.30 | BCMM_ | ok i really cannot find the video recording button... |
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| 15:04.09 | MiXu- | The same way you take pictures? |
| 15:04.49 | BCMM_ | ah, it's a mode |
| 15:04.52 | BCMM_ | like macro mode |
| 15:04.56 | BCMM_ | fair enough i suppose |
| 15:05.04 | MiXu- | yup |
| 15:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | you ever checked the N97mini kbd and 'slide' mechanism? though I don't like the haptics of the 'slide' it still has an obvious advantage of potentially freeing more real estate for kbd, And actuall the 3 minutes I checked the N97 kbd I found it to be more useable than N900 kbd |
| 15:05.55 | MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: I agree |
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| 15:06.03 | nid0 | I dont much like the slide system on the n97 - the C6 proves nokia can fit a 4line keyboard into a flat slider, though |
| 15:06.15 | nid0 | with what looks like a decent enough gap for the top row not to be akward |
| 15:06.34 | nid0 | that or they need to go back to communicator-style clamshell, which has tons of room for a big 5line |
| 15:06.37 | javispedro | like on the n810, but i much prefer the n810 keyboard even with the awkard top row |
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| 15:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: I consider this a mayor fail of GUI design. Would like better to have a big selection menu popping up on cam-gui 'start' with 2 buttons [still cam] and [video] |
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| 15:07.07 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: i did think it was rather unintuitive |
| 15:07.10 | vadearlst | hi |
| 15:07.23 | nid0 | I always found the camera mode selection to be obvious as hell |
| 15:07.23 | vadearlst | what's 3+3x3+3? is it 15 or 21? |
| 15:07.28 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: i mean, video isn't really another "mode" like sports and macro |
| 15:07.42 | BCMM_ | then again, reduces the number of things on the screen |
| 15:07.51 | nid0 | having it popup on start would be a pain because 1) it's 1 more button to click than it is now for every time I want to reuse what I did last time |
| 15:08.12 | nid0 | and 2) you'd still need an option on the screen somewhere so you could swap between them without having to close and reopen the camera |
| 15:08.55 | vadearlst | do any of u know if its 21 or 15 |
| 15:09.03 | vadearlst | 3+3x3+3 = 21 or 15? |
| 15:09.48 | n900-dk | vadearlst: 15 |
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| 15:09.55 | nid0 | 3+3x3+3 = 21, 3+(3x3)+3 = 15 |
| 15:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: the point is it's a PITA to start your cam by opening the slider, then have to fiddle clumsy settings to switch to mode you want |
| 15:10.11 | vadearlst | its 21 but |
| 15:10.19 | vadearlst | every1 on this game is sayign its 15 o.O |
| 15:10.27 | nid0 | they need to l2maths |
| 15:10.35 | vadearlst | is matsh different in USA? |
| 15:10.37 | vadearlst | to england? |
| 15:10.41 | vadearlst | maths* |
| 15:10.54 | nid0 | if it is, americans are more stupid than I ever gave them credit for |
| 15:11.02 | vadearlst | lol thx |
| 15:11.02 | nid0 | and I gave them a *lot* of credit for that already |
| 15:11.31 | ormiret | vadearlst: it's 15, x has higher priority than + |
| 15:11.34 | BCMM_ | what is "optification"? |
| 15:11.44 | nid0 | putting stuff in /opt |
| 15:11.49 | X-Fade | ~optification |
| 15:11.50 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs |
| 15:12.09 | BCMM_ | thanks |
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| 15:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~3+3*3+3 |
| 15:12.40 | infobot | 15 |
| 15:12.40 | nid0 | ormiret no it doesnt, equations are linear, thats what brackets exist for |
| 15:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 15:12.49 | nid0 | infobot cant do maths either |
| 15:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | obviously, yeah |
| 15:13.50 | ormiret | nid0: no, different operations have different precedence, http://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/vol7/order_operations.html |
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| 15:16.07 | BCMM_ | can somebody help me identify something in a screenshot? |
| 15:16.33 | BCMM_ | what is the widget here that isn't flashlight? http://my-maemo.com/grafika/flashlight.jpg |
| 15:16.56 | vadearlst | hang on, so 3+3*3+3 = 15 or 21? o.o |
| 15:17.00 | BCMM_ | it looks like it might be a button to let you take photos using the front camera, but i can't find such a program |
| 15:17.14 | BCMM_ | (yes, i know i can probably just use mplayer) |
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| 15:17.26 | n900-dk | vadearlst: Still 15 ;) |
| 15:17.27 | Scelt | vadearlst: 15 |
| 15:17.30 | vadearlst | y though o.O |
| 15:17.43 | Scelt | * first, then + |
| 15:17.50 | vadearlst | how can u do * first |
| 15:17.55 | Scelt | math rules |
| 15:17.59 | vadearlst | are u a maths teacher? -.- |
| 15:18.00 | vadearlst | lol |
| 15:18.04 | Scelt | * and / first, + and - follow |
| 15:18.16 | vadearlst | isnt that on a calctulator.. |
| 15:18.23 | Scelt | what |
| 15:18.23 | ormiret | vadearlst: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations |
| 15:18.34 | n900-dk | vadearlst: Buy a new one |
| 15:18.39 | vadearlst | lol |
| 15:18.44 | vadearlst | im sure its 21! |
| 15:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: I have to admit your objections to my idea with cam are valid. How about that: have 4 applauncher icons - [video] [still] [torch] [selector menu], on clicking one of them the corresponding screen pops up and asks for opening the cam slider. Selector menu is the aforementioned 2 (3?) button screen to select between video, still, and torch. If you open slider without previously hitting one of the icons, it comes up with same mode you |
| 15:18.53 | vadearlst | every1s saying its 15 |
| 15:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | selected via icons last time you used them |
| 15:19.34 | Scelt | vadearlst: it would 21 if it was (3+3)*(3+3) |
| 15:19.40 | zash | vadearlst: it's 36 of course! |
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| 15:19.53 | vadearlst | but |
| 15:19.57 | Scelt | vadearlst: sorry, said wrong :> |
| 15:19.59 | ormiret | Scelt: no, that would be 81 |
| 15:20.04 | zash | Scelt: you mean (((3+3)*3)+3) |
| 15:20.10 | vadearlst | isnt it 3+3 then x 3 then +3? |
| 15:20.11 | Scelt | ormiret: yeah. didn't think it thru |
| 15:20.26 | Scelt | vadearlst: no, 3x3, then 3+, then +3 |
| 15:20.29 | nid0 | DocScrutinizer: I'd think an easier solution might be camera launcher and slider just open into the last used mode as now, but with another button at the bottom next to the geotag option with a picture of whatever mode you're currently in, and clicking it giving you the choice between the three |
| 15:20.37 | vadearlst | but im sure i remember in school |
| 15:20.41 | vadearlst | that some1 said that |
| 15:20.45 | vadearlst | and the teacher said thats wrong |
| 15:20.47 | Scelt | girls have nice tits |
| 15:20.54 | nid0 | that way it's split out from the shoot mode option, and would be plainly obvious as to what the button refers to |
| 15:20.57 | Scelt | that's what you learn in school |
| 15:21.11 | ormiret | Scelt: ah, yes you'd corrected yourself before I did. Must learn to type gaster to be able to feel superior :) |
| 15:21.39 | vadearlst | hhmm |
| 15:21.45 | vadearlst | so ur 100% sure its 15? |
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| 15:22.10 | vadearlst | my brother got a B in maths and i asked him and he said 21 straight away.. |
| 15:22.10 | frals | anyone got a clue why im only getting voicemail when using http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/OssoABookContactChooser.html#osso-abook-contact-chooser-new ? |
| 15:22.29 | frals | B in maths at what level lol |
| 15:22.31 | Scelt | ormiret: yeah. I didn't really think about it, just thought that's the common the error and maybe vadearlst calculated it that way. then I checked it out and realized I was very wrong :P |
| 15:22.42 | vadearlst | wat do u lvl? o.o |
| 15:22.56 | Scelt | vadearlst: it's 15. that's sure |
| 15:23.01 | vadearlst | but |
| 15:23.07 | vadearlst | i just argued with about 50 people on a game |
| 15:23.08 | ormiret | vadearlst: ask google if you don't believe us: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=3%2B3*3%2B3 (note google puts in the brackets in the answer) |
| 15:23.10 | vadearlst | saying its 21 |
| 15:23.11 | vadearlst | lol |
| 15:23.12 | Scelt | vadearlst: at least if you live in this same world |
| 15:23.15 | frals | its 15 |
| 15:23.26 | pupnik | hey i dont like the gamma curve in all lighting situations |
| 15:23.28 | vadearlst | dam ok |
| 15:23.33 | vadearlst | bye |
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| 15:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: this doesn't open up room for nice implementation of things like torch. Also the cam-gui seems to provide no way right now to switch to a particular setting from e.g. a script or the like |
| 15:23.55 | frals | wait he joined this chan to get math help? O_o |
| 15:24.06 | pupnik | will someone write for me an advanced display applet thst uses hardware to adjust gamma: :) |
| 15:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | friggin BS, some of you quite school after 12 months? operator precedence is a topic of 2nd class iirc |
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| 15:25.31 | nid0 | DocScrutinizer: Thats true, but it just seems as though having 2-3+ entirely separate app launcher icons would be cluttering things up a lot |
| 15:25.41 | nid0 | rather than just dealing with it entirely once inside the app |
| 15:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | 3+3*3+3 = 3+(3*3)+3 = 15 PERIOD |
| 15:26.12 | Wolfie | hey guys... if something has a version of 1.2.3-foo, what's that "foo" part called? |
| 15:26.39 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer: but how about pr 1.2? |
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| 15:30.30 | lcuk | overloads some of DocScrutinizer's operators to really futz with him |
| 15:30.54 | achipa | RPN FTW :) |
| 15:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | assert()s |
| 15:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | HP42 FTW |
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| 15:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | Scelt: how about autokicker on regex '.*1\.2.*\?' ? |
| 15:32.09 | Treibholz | bc FTW! |
| 15:32.33 | achipa | had a 48gx back in the days... |
| 15:32.57 | ptl | lcuk: for me the liqbase pictures are not showing up -- http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/ |
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| 15:33.38 | lcuk | i dont think they ever have ptl |
| 15:33.54 | ptl | lcuk: oh, ok :P |
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| 15:34.13 | javispedro | lcuk: hey, that site is nice. any reason you're not using it? =) |
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| 15:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: agree on clutter problem. Anyway now you already got camera and torch icon. You're free to keep any number of icons you feel you want to use, and simply discard the other ones |
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| 15:35.51 | lcuk | javispedro, only editing caps - that + blog would be great for liqbase.net |
| 15:36.05 | javispedro | ah, no php |
| 15:36.28 | BCMM_ | is it possible to make the n900 play the microphone |
| 15:36.48 | frals | god going crazy |
| 15:36.50 | BCMM_ | (as in, output what the mic hears through the speakers or over FM) |
| 15:36.52 | javispedro | parec | paplay |
| 15:37.08 | frals | when i launch fmms from shortcut the osso-abook-contact-chooser-new lists all contacts |
| 15:37.17 | frals | but when launched from share-via service it only shows friggin voicemail |
| 15:37.42 | frals | and the share-via is just a dbus call to launch the application, so it *should* do everything exactly the same as when launched manually |
| 15:38.04 | BCMM_ | javispedro: i don't seem to have those; are they in a non-$PATH directory? |
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| 15:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: main problem with cluttering app launcher though is the lack of decent user-configurable subfolders. And catorize doesn't really do a good job wrt this, as it's a PITA to configure to your own needs, rather it follows braindamaged HAM categories |
| 15:38.43 | nid0 | yar, a fully folderable app launcher would be the proper solution |
| 15:39.37 | nid0 | but then, I also like having a method of swapping between camera modes while already in the camera application, without having to close and relaunch it :> |
| 15:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | agreed, we shouldn't disable that one. Though with the solution I've sketched above I'd be perfectly happy with the way it's done now, inside cam app |
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| 15:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: should be possible (audio->FM) |
| 15:43.13 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: i presumed that javispedro was talking to me when he said parec | paplay |
| 15:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | aah javispedro already answered that |
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| 15:43.32 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: i know general audio can go to fm; wondering about piping the mic to fm |
| 15:43.49 | javispedro | BCMM_: pulseaudio-utils package |
| 15:44.18 | javispedro | through it's not-optified in nokia repo and paplay doesn't seem to want to pipe frm another program (does it expect a sane riff header or what?) |
| 15:44.36 | BCMM_ | javispedro: worked taht out with apt-cache, but i get write() failed: Broken pipe |
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| 15:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | playsound seems a possible alternative to paplay |
| 15:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 15:46.04 | javispedro | ah |
| 15:46.07 | javispedro | pacat -r | pacat -p |
| 15:46.11 | javispedro | seems to work better |
| 15:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 15:46.31 | BCMM_ | hmm |
| 15:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart pulseaudio |
| 15:46.31 | infobot | gives pulseaudio a good seeing to |
| 15:46.36 | BCMM_ | don't even know which microphone |
| 15:46.42 | BCMM_ | (it would use |
| 15:46.43 | javispedro | "which microphone"? |
| 15:46.47 | javispedro | is there more than one? |
| 15:46.53 | BCMM_ | i think so |
| 15:47.05 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: is it so? |
| 15:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | builtin and headset, yes |
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| 15:47.32 | javispedro | ah, external |
| 15:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | though I guess they're mutually exclusive |
| 15:47.52 | BCMM_ | oh, i guess there is only one |
| 15:47.57 | BCMM_ | i had thought there was one on the front |
| 15:48.39 | javispedro | tada, you already have fm karaoke |
| 15:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | (mutex) not on a hw level, but probably in the way alsa/pa handles them |
| 15:49.02 | javispedro | bah, i'm to bored to start fiddling with pa again now |
| 15:49.02 | BCMM_ | hmm don't think that's working |
| 15:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: \o/ LOL |
| 15:49.13 | BCMM_ | well, taht or the mic is really good at avoiding wind noises |
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| 15:49.39 | BCMM_ | ah! |
| 15:49.49 | BCMM_ | the silent profile actually mutes the speakers |
| 15:49.55 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: Alsa seems to thing there are two recording devices: bluetooth i2s and aic32 |
| 15:49.58 | javispedro | er.. aic34 |
| 15:50.16 | korhojoa | this makes a nice looper |
| 15:50.20 | korhojoa | just set the volume right |
| 15:50.24 | korhojoa | and it'll be around forever |
| 15:50.32 | javispedro | yeah, don't do that |
| 15:50.39 | javispedro | it makes kittens cry |
| 15:50.43 | korhojoa | what |
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| 15:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | there's exactly one mic, and they seem to pretend it's on the mini hole lower left (in portrait) - though actually it senses thru the gap between the two device halves |
| 15:50.51 | korhojoa | uniform noise makes kitteis cry? |
| 15:50.57 | korhojoa | s/kitteis/kitties/ |
| 15:51.00 | javispedro | ;) |
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| 15:51.41 | korhojoa | i like the 250 ms delay it induces |
| 15:52.08 | javispedro | the wonders of modern technology |
| 15:52.19 | korhojoa | you can now call yourself on your own phone |
| 15:52.22 | korhojoa | wow, that's awesome |
| 15:52.43 | javispedro | the fm tx is mostly useless |
| 15:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | suggests arecord|aplay -- better configurability of such things like buffer size, thresholds etc pp |
| 15:53.25 | javispedro | without a good external antenna conneted to the headphones plug |
| 15:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 15:54.10 | korhojoa | huh |
| 15:54.13 | korhojoa | mine works fine |
| 15:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | TX is a separate dedicated built in antenna afaik |
| 15:54.18 | korhojoa | even with the default strenght |
| 15:54.21 | javispedro | any cable near the thing will improve signal... |
| 15:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | aah ok |
| 15:55.06 | javispedro | can hear himself type in fm, with delay. spooky. |
| 15:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | though I heard rumours about FM-TX disabled on hs-jackinsert |
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| 15:55.28 | javispedro | it is disabled, but by userspace. a single ioctl is enough to make it work again. |
| 15:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, of course |
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| 15:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | I even succeeded to create a FM OTA feedback loop ;-P |
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| 15:57.03 | korhojoa | can you transmit and recieve fm at the same time? |
| 15:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | that's about all I got to know whether my FM-TX is working :-) |
| 15:57.12 | korhojoa | this would allow hands-free in cars easily |
| 15:57.15 | javispedro | theoretically yes. |
| 15:57.27 | javispedro | you cannot use the mic and fm-radio at the same time afaiu. |
| 15:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: even practically |
| 15:57.36 | korhojoa | why not? |
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| 15:57.51 | korhojoa | does it use the mic input as the antenna? |
| 15:58.18 | javispedro | no, the mixup is at the audio codec level. but I don't remember the exact details at the top of my head, so don't take my word on this. |
| 15:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | must be another userland limitation then |
| 15:59.00 | javispedro | well, you have aic34 datasheet and rx-51 schematics :) |
| 15:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | honestly too lazy to check right now. Audio is awful |
| 15:59.44 | javispedro | i did check a month or so ago |
| 16:00.01 | javispedro | found that there's a fm -> speaker "analog bypass" and asked here why it was not used |
| 16:00.14 | javispedro | answer: breaks speakers :) |
| 16:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | btw I do *not* have AIC34 ds |
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| 16:00.30 | javispedro | iirc it's just two aic32 glued together or sth like that |
| 16:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep it's two of them |
| 16:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | only one is ''really used'' |
| 16:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | the other one just an amp or somesuch |
| 16:01.41 | javispedro | tlv320aic3x this is the exact model per alsa driver |
| 16:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | for earpiece |
| 16:02.52 | javispedro | hey, if it not weren't for the poor range this works pretty well |
| 16:03.03 | javispedro | s/not// |
| 16:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | karaoke? |
| 16:03.27 | javispedro | delay might make it bad |
| 16:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | or what exactly? |
| 16:04.07 | javispedro | dunno, just pointing that :) |
| 16:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: what exactly is working pretty well? |
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| 16:05.38 | javispedro | I can put the thing on the contiguous room and listen |
| 16:05.47 | javispedro | :D |
| 16:06.18 | javispedro | volume is okey |
| 16:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | what setup do you use to do that? fm-karaoke? or parec|paplay? or what? |
| 16:06.38 | javispedro | pacat -r | pacat -p |
| 16:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | aah kk |
| 16:06.55 | zash | parec|pacat |
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| 16:07.08 | wazd | hello there people :) |
| 16:07.13 | javispedro | hello wazd |
| 16:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | howdy |
| 16:08.10 | wazd | Vlad has sent an e-mail to Quim if we can keep single n900 for OMW developement :) |
| 16:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 16:08.42 | javispedro | yawns over fm |
| 16:08.53 | wazd | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49398 |
| 16:09.05 | javispedro | I am like a child with apair of new shoes, as we say :) |
| 16:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | yay, virulence multiplier |
| 16:10.19 | javispedro | to be honest am I using the n900 as tx and pc as rx and the delay is like 0.5 sec |
| 16:10.38 | javispedro | not bad considering audio travels through TWO instances of pulseaudio :) |
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| 16:14.12 | yuizy_ | how can i get root inside scratchbox? |
| 16:14.22 | timeless_mbp | you don't |
| 16:14.24 | timeless_mbp | you use 'fakeroot' |
| 16:16.12 | SpeedEvil | Is there a netpbm or similar package anywhere? |
| 16:17.08 | yuizy_ | ah, thanks |
| 16:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: aiui you're council? |
| 16:17.50 | javispedro | er... yes? |
| 16:18.12 | supertramp | please - could you recommend cpu monitoring widget? not consuming too much resources? |
| 16:18.23 | SpeedEvil | supertramp: the cpu-applet works well |
| 16:18.27 | Shapeshifter | Two people got their HTC desires yesterday and were showing them off to me. The screen has very nice colors, much nicer the the n900 one. On the other hand, it's clearly less sharp and the fonts look fuzzy. But it's quite neat overall. well, for an android phone ;) |
| 16:18.54 | Clickety | well |
| 16:19.03 | Clickety | to be honest the whole physical design of the n900 looks pretty dated |
| 16:19.08 | Clickety | compared to other phones on the market |
| 16:19.09 | supertramp | SpeedEvil: thx |
| 16:19.40 | Clickety | ie. small screen compared to the device size, u cant really use the keyboard with headphones plugged in |
| 16:19.44 | GAN900 | No N900 in the Linux mobile device slide. :( |
| 16:19.46 | timeless_mbp | Clickety: perhaps because it was designed 3 years ago? |
| 16:20.10 | Clickety | it has only been out for like 6 months though |
| 16:20.19 | supertramp | SpeedEvil: this one? cpumem-applet - Show CPU and memory usage in small status-area icon. |
| 16:20.19 | Shapeshifter | Clickety: I agree the usb and phone jacks are two of the major things that annoy me. |
| 16:20.22 | timeless_mbp | yeah, but it wasn't designed yesterday! |
| 16:20.24 | SpeedEvil | supertramp: load-applet even |
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| 16:20.29 | SpeedEvil | supertramp: or that one |
| 16:20.41 | supertramp | ok :) |
| 16:20.58 | ShadowJK | desire's screen is probably the same strange thing as nexus |
| 16:21.03 | Shapeshifter | overall, the one thing that annoys me most is that it's slow. |
| 16:21.06 | Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: yep, identical. |
| 16:21.21 | ShadowJK | where you only have 800x480 green pixels, and less of red and blue |
| 16:21.28 | Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: the colors are very sweet for looking at pictures, but for work/text it sucks. |
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| 16:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: heyho |
| 16:23.51 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: hello chap. |
| 16:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: checked your alarmed app recently? Seems repo version has borked dependencies (I heard) |
| 16:25.01 | Shapeshifter | oh yes it has. pyside was built for pr1.2 and now it's impossible to install alarmed. |
| 16:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | crap! |
| 16:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart pr1.2-autobuilder madness |
| 16:25.39 | infobot | whacks pr1.2-autobuilder madness upside the head |
| 16:25.53 | Shapeshifter | I can't imagine why they switched autobuilder to pr1.2 this early without releasing the update for the device. |
| 16:26.11 | MohammadAG | has the old PySide debs |
| 16:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | actually it was a terribly poor decision |
| 16:26.31 | Wolfie | something to do with communication between left and right extremeties? |
| 16:26.35 | Wolfie | or the lack thereof |
| 16:26.49 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, you made alarmed right? |
| 16:26.54 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: yes. |
| 16:27.05 | slonopotamus | Shapeshifter: because they can? :) |
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| 16:27.13 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, and you can change the control file to use old dependencies, right? |
| 16:27.18 | GAN900 | Don't assume people are stupid. ;) |
| 16:27.26 | MohammadAG | gets to the point |
| 16:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | always thought *-devel and *.testing were for USERS who feel adventurous, NOT for devels to merely check their local build will work same as the autobuilder |
| 16:27.39 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I can?! D: I didn't know. It was my first deb package ever. |
| 16:27.39 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 16:27.53 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, err yes, I was just trying to be a smartass :P |
| 16:28.08 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: let me see... |
| 16:28.12 | MohammadAG | libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16) |
| 16:28.15 | MohammadAG | example ^ |
| 16:28.21 | MohammadAG | change the package name and version |
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| 16:28.31 | javispedro | is that really the issue? |
| 16:28.34 | MohammadAG | (assuming the old debs are there, if not, upload them) |
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| 16:31.56 | GAN900 | Hacked up Jobs video in Zemlin's talk |
| 16:32.05 | GAN900 | Jobs sure love adjectives |
| 16:32.07 | javispedro | wtf |
| 16:32.17 | javispedro | I open the linux foundation video only to see steve jobs talking |
| 16:32.29 | javispedro | *live video |
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| 16:32.31 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 16:32.42 | MohammadAG | javispedro, he reinvented linux |
| 16:33.26 | javispedro | freeeeeedom. *yawns* |
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| 16:33.43 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 16:33.52 | GAN900 | javispedro, +1 |
| 16:34.22 | PhonicUK | anyone know if its possible to run a script when an active internet connection drops? |
| 16:35.32 | timeless_mbp | i believe so |
| 16:35.36 | timeless_mbp | i think the vpn stuff does |
| 16:35.39 | zash | if-down ? |
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| 16:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | wtf an idea of freedom has Steveboy Jobs? |
| 16:36.41 | javispedro | ponders if he tuned to an apple keynote |
| 16:36.50 | zash | PhonicUK: on random linux systems, /etc/network/if-down/ |
| 16:36.56 | javispedro | ah no, no blue over white slides |
| 16:37.03 | javispedro | er.. |
| 16:37.05 | javispedro | nothing. |
| 16:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | link? |
| 16:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | though... nevermind ;-P |
| 16:37.47 | ptl | PhonicUK: /etc/network/if-up.d and /etc/network/if-down.d |
| 16:37.53 | ptl | PhonicUK: look at the examples there |
| 16:38.06 | GAN900 | thinks there's an Intel meeting on. |
| 16:38.09 | ptl | PhonicUK: you can also use dbus, it gets more details than these networkmanager scripts |
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| 16:38.15 | Shapeshifter | I'll never understand deb packaging, apt or why people think it's so effin great |
| 16:38.18 | GAN900 | Every Intel person in the room just shot out the door. |
| 16:38.32 | ptl | what are you guys watching? |
| 16:38.34 | javispedro | fails to see GAN |
| 16:38.54 | GAN900 | I'm waay in the back |
| 16:38.55 | X-Fade | So, feed url known already? |
| 16:38.56 | javispedro | ptl: linux foundation collaboration summit started |
| 16:38.57 | lcuk | GAN900, where did they get their intel from? |
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| 16:39.00 | GAN900 | with Texrat and dneary |
| 16:39.11 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, because it is :) |
| 16:39.13 | Shapeshifter | http://pastie.org/919615 so, it says something was automatically installed, and then it says that it will be newly installed? |
| 16:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | lol, ok please share a link - this seems to be funny |
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| 16:39.30 | n900-dk | Anyone seen something like 'Handy Profiles' on Symbian for maemo? An app that automatically switches profile.. |
| 16:39.31 | ptl | javispedro: ok.. thanks. So I guess there's a really important presentation going on |
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| 16:39.48 | Shapeshifter | pyside-qt4-phonen -> automatically installed and no longer required...... following NEW packages will be installed: pyside-qt4-phonen |
| 16:39.52 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I take back what I said, wtf |
| 16:40.07 | ptl | Shapeshifter: different versions, maybe |
| 16:40.09 | javispedro | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/ |
| 16:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | ta |
| 16:40.28 | GAN900 | javispedro, also: you suck for not being here. |
| 16:40.29 | ptl | thanks again, javispedro |
| 16:40.32 | MohammadAG | ptl, a remove wouldn't upgrade |
| 16:40.33 | X-Fade | Hmm register for a stream ;) |
| 16:40.38 | GAN900 | javispedro, not enough Maemo people. :P |
| 16:40.57 | javispedro | GAN900: take you all your N900s out and blind those intel guys!! |
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| 16:41.14 | GAN900 | javispedro, only brought my RX-51 |
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| 16:41.32 | GAN900 | Really weird that Zemlin didn't put the N900 in his Linux smartphone slide. |
| 16:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | register??? pffft |
| 16:42.07 | javispedro | he had a strong enough reason: the n900 doesn't use RPM ;) |
| 16:42.16 | GAN900 | lol |
| 16:42.20 | GAN900 | Palm was up there |
| 16:42.22 | GAN900 | Android |
| 16:42.31 | petteri | nice attitude :D |
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| 16:42.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: seems they fear to overload the broadcasting server -- I think there's like 120 slots, with only 33 filled so far. |
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| 16:43.09 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/919615 yeah. so it downloaded phonon and installed it, so that I was able to remove it with autoremove again. |
| 16:43.11 | javispedro | GAN900: ok, inexcusable. |
| 16:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | so f***it |
| 16:43.31 | GAN900 | javispedro, yeah, weird. |
| 16:43.52 | GAN900 | IBM guy has terrible slides |
| 16:43.54 | X-Fade | WFt, register twice even. |
| 16:44.04 | MohammadAG | that was weird... |
| 16:44.05 | GAN900 | 10pt font, 500 words a slide. . . . |
| 16:44.10 | GAN900 | Blue on black |
| 16:44.13 | javispedro | X-Fade: yeah. have your paypal account ready... |
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| 16:44.20 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, fixed the control file? |
| 16:44.24 | ShadowJK | javispedro, if only they knew of some company that had experience with internet and cameras. Maybe they could ask cisco ;D |
| 16:44.25 | javispedro | (it won't ask for it but you have to tell it you have one =) ) |
| 16:44.42 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: no I'm still fiddling. I'm kinda slow |
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| 16:45.27 | X-Fade | Damn, really that is a lot of work to see a stream ;) |
| 16:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: lol |
| 16:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | err ShadowJK ^^^ |
| 16:46.00 | X-Fade | Lol, it is just ustream ;) |
| 16:46.28 | Shapeshifter | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/clutter/libclutter-1.0-0_1.0.8-0maemo1_armel.deb Size mismatch |
| 16:46.36 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 16:46.36 | javispedro | uh |
| 16:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: so they can watch you watching your blank screen ? ;-P |
| 16:46.55 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, don't bother, pyside was autocleaned |
| 16:46.57 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, they broadcast through ustream,. |
| 16:47.07 | MohammadAG | Why does the autocleaner run so soon! |
| 16:47.32 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: That one is my bad. Experiment on my part. |
| 16:48.00 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, push the old 0.2.3 version into non-free |
| 16:48.15 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, did you check out what I PM'd you about? |
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| 16:48.57 | MohammadAG | oh nvm, thanks X-Fade |
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| 16:50.57 | X-Fade | Ok, this talk is just ... |
| 16:51.28 | lcuk | at ibm question time, ask if the linux kid got himself a job at ibm :D |
| 16:51.31 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: well I first need to find out which the last working versions were. And how do I push these into non-free? I think I'll just stick to my initial plan of waiting until they release pr1.2 instead of messing around now. Might even get around implementing some long awaited features instead of fiddling with this. |
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| 16:51.57 | javispedro | lcuk: haha, I remember that |
| 16:52.08 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Please hang in there, we are working on a fix now. Filling non-free with crap is not the solution. |
| 16:52.31 | javispedro | note that we are talking about pyside here |
| 16:52.33 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, kk |
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| 16:53.15 | lcuk | wheres the streaming vid for collsumm |
| 16:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: disaster with long term announcement? |
| 16:53.49 | Shapeshifter | mh. where doe maemo keep the downloaded debs? |
| 16:53.55 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, actually pretty sane solution. |
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| 16:54.24 | GAN900 | Shapeshifter, apt or h-a-m |
| 16:54.31 | Shapeshifter | GAN900: both |
| 16:54.38 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, /var/cache/apt/archives for apt |
| 16:54.44 | MohammadAG | HAM discards them |
| 16:55.04 | Shapeshifter | huh. |
| 16:55.05 | MohammadAG | (but while installing they're kept in /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-cache-archives |
| 16:55.15 | MohammadAG | or something similar, lemme check |
| 16:55.19 | Shapeshifter | who would do such a thing. discarding old packages.... |
| 16:55.23 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: yeah they're there |
| 16:55.25 | Shapeshifter | how daft. |
| 16:55.43 | MohammadAG | the folder in MyDocs is discarded at each installation |
| 16:55.49 | MohammadAG | that's why I opted not to use HAM |
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| 16:58.05 | pupnik | anybody got an on-device sdk |
| 16:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how modest can dare to create BS .modest/ folder on *micro-SD* ?! |
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| 16:59.10 | jacekowski | 1.2 relased? |
| 16:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 16:59.24 | petteri | don't think so |
| 16:59.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: kill him! |
| 16:59.26 | frosty` | wait, what? 1.2? WHERE? |
| 16:59.30 | frosty` | grumble. |
| 16:59.33 | cehteh | haha |
| 16:59.35 | frosty` | MohammadAG: see. |
| 16:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: beware of autokicker ;-P |
| 17:00.29 | MohammadAG | frosty`, ? |
| 17:00.32 | cehteh | how to ddos the nokia servers? .. just say 1.2 released in this channel and 558 Drones start polling the server :P |
| 17:00.46 | frosty` | MohammadAG: need the bot to reply to 1.2 stuff, otherwise I have to |
| 17:00.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what autokicker? :P |
| 17:01.00 | MohammadAG | waits for one |
| 17:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: <556 ! |
| 17:01.10 | jacekowski | i've spent whole day trying to debug why chrome has letters in uppercase |
| 17:01.13 | cehteh | :P |
| 17:01.33 | jacekowski | but it looks like keykodes sent to it are correct |
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| 17:01.41 | autokicker | ok im here MohammadAG |
| 17:01.48 | MohammadAG | PR1.2 |
| 17:01.54 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 17:01.56 | autokicker | kicks MohammadAG in the shins |
| 17:02.00 | jacekowski | PR1.2? |
| 17:02.02 | petteri | i don't have that uppercase bug |
| 17:02.04 | jacekowski | is it here? |
| 17:02.06 | Shapeshifter | PR1.3? |
| 17:02.11 | petteri | with chrome |
| 17:02.17 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, no just waiting for the autokicker to kick into action |
| 17:02.20 | jacekowski | petteri: in text fields and etc? |
| 17:02.29 | MohammadAG | it kicked itself :P |
| 17:02.32 | frosty` | lol |
| 17:02.36 | jacekowski | petteri: have you fiddled with hildon-input-methods? |
| 17:02.52 | petteri | jacekowski: let me check one more time |
| 17:02.58 | ptl | refreshes just in case |
| 17:03.35 | jacekowski | petteri: go to google and type something in search box |
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| 17:04.37 | ptl | wow |
| 17:04.45 | jacekowski | wow? |
| 17:04.48 | ptl | if you google PR1.2, all links about maemo |
| 17:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | /kick $USER |
| 17:04.49 | jacekowski | 1.2 relased? |
| 17:04.53 | ptl | no |
| 17:04.54 | ptl | noooo |
| 17:04.57 | ptl | PR1.2 not released |
| 17:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | /kick $USER |
| 17:05.07 | petteri | jacekowski: sorry. I do now have the bug. I have a vague feeling that i did not have it couple of days ago since i managed to log in to gmail |
| 17:05.30 | javispedro | MohammadAG: a question. why does the extras pyside package fail to install on a device? |
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| 17:05.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, sec |
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| 17:06.26 | MohammadAG | javispedro, |
| 17:06.33 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.34 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.45 | MohammadAG | 0723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed |
| 17:06.46 | Shapeshifter | uhm I heard something about rootsh not being the "right" method anymore for gaining root? |
| 17:07.00 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, just use it :) |
| 17:07.39 | MohammadAG | if it's for an app add a .sudoers file then update-sudoers |
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| 17:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: huh? |
| 17:08.58 | javispedro | ponders something |
| 17:09.09 | javispedro | where did I get pyside 0.2.3-1maemo3 from? |
| 17:09.26 | MohammadAG | javispedro, me? |
| 17:09.31 | javispedro | impossible |
| 17:09.39 | MohammadAG | it was in the repos |
| 17:09.49 | javispedro | ah, you uploaded it to nonfree? |
| 17:09.53 | MohammadAG | no |
| 17:09.59 | MohammadAG | the old one was in the repos |
| 17:10.03 | MohammadAG | but I had it cached |
| 17:10.04 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip |
| 17:10.07 | javispedro | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pyside-qt4-core/ |
| 17:10.13 | javispedro | note current version, 0.3.0-1maemo3 |
| 17:10.14 | javispedro | errr |
| 17:10.16 | javispedro | note current version, 0.3.0-1maemo2 |
| 17:10.26 | MohammadAG | Old version cleaned by repository management |
| 17:10.55 | javispedro | ah. |
| 17:10.56 | lizardo | guys , I said yesterday, but in case anyone listened: it is very possible to install libqt4* packages from the PR1.2 SDK repositories by adding the repository to the N900 sources.list (and upgrading *only* libqt4* packages... very hachish, but worked for me :) |
| 17:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | /kick $USER |
| 17:11.12 | MohammadAG | javispedro, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pyside-qt4-core/0.2.3-1maemo3/ |
| 17:11.13 | lizardo | at least for PySide |
| 17:11.16 | javispedro | MohammadAG: touché, going to have a headache. |
| 17:11.27 | MohammadAG | it's in there |
| 17:11.33 | MohammadAG | it wasn't cleaned :D |
| 17:11.57 | frosty` | lol DocScrutinizer |
| 17:11.58 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pyside-qt4-core/0.2.3-1maemo3/ armel |
| 17:12.19 | MohammadAG | pings javispedro |
| 17:12.33 | javispedro | yes yes, I was just having a mental confusion here |
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| 17:14.04 | GAN900 | Loooooong IBM talk |
| 17:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | disables autokicker, before crashanddie decides to kick DocScrutinizer |
| 17:14.24 | MohammadAG | PR1.2 |
| 17:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | /kick $USER |
| 17:14.29 | javispedro | GAN900: I hope you brought enough N900s. |
| 17:14.30 | MohammadAG | damn |
| 17:14.40 | X-Fade | thinks of that large hook you always see in cartoons with stage performances ;) |
| 17:14.43 | GAN900 | javispedro, just the one. |
| 17:14.49 | GAN900 | X-Fade, lol |
| 17:15.05 | javispedro | GAN900: battery won't last through the morning. you'll have to steal texrat's not to die of boredom |
| 17:15.34 | GAN900 | javispedro, stole the battery from my 5800! |
| 17:15.44 | GAN900 | Twice the power, twice the fun. |
| 17:15.52 | javispedro | survival! |
| 17:16.45 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.48 | MohammadAG | fail |
| 17:16.55 | GAN900 | Texrat's a stylus screen poker. :/ |
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| 17:17.05 | n900-dk | I really cant believe that anyone didn't make an automatically profile switcher app already... |
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| 17:17.24 | MohammadAG | n900-dk, silencer |
| 17:17.57 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/silencer/ |
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| 17:18.28 | n900-dk | MohammadAG: But it can only switch between 'silent' and 'general' |
| 17:18.38 | MohammadAG | aren't those the only profiles? |
| 17:18.41 | Shapeshifter | n900-dk: Alarmed can do that. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=610524#post610524 |
| 17:18.51 | Shapeshifter | n900-dk: and it supports tweakr profiles |
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| 17:19.06 | n900-dk | MohammadAG: Yeah, but I made my only with tweakr |
| 17:19.20 | javispedro | buah, they cut the video. |
| 17:19.31 | X-Fade | coffee break. |
| 17:19.36 | javispedro | I pad $0 for this!! they could put some james bond movie for the break. |
| 17:20.00 | X-Fade | Too bad, I wanted to ask GAN900 to step up front and do a little dance ;) |
| 17:20.00 | MohammadAG | wonders why there are 2 users watching him on bugs.maemo.org |
| 17:20.15 | nid0 | likes to stalk bugtracker users! |
| 17:20.34 | javispedro | they're called "keepers": whenever you reach certain level of bugs karma they attach one to you |
| 17:20.47 | n900-dk | Shapeshifter: Thx, maybe alarmed could also watch calendar for meetings, and automatically change profile on these events too |
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| 17:21.54 | lcuk | X-Fade, still get him dancing |
| 17:21.58 | lcuk | you have n900s - use em |
| 17:22.13 | MohammadAG | likes the liqflow app |
| 17:28.46 | jacekowski | X-Fade: i found one issue with autobuilder - it's impossible to submit same version for different architecture |
| 17:29.02 | X-Fade | jacekowski: That is intended behaviour. |
| 17:29.45 | lcuk | jacekowski, thats ocmmon sense |
| 17:29.48 | lcuk | common |
| 17:29.52 | jacekowski | well |
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| 17:30.07 | jacekowski | if i send package with architecture any it will build them for both archs |
| 17:30.21 | jacekowski | and i'll have armel and i386 with same version |
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| 17:30.40 | jacekowski | but if i send armel and while later i386 it will have to be sent with different version |
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| 17:31.43 | paulk_ | Hello ! I've got a question : Is it possible to buy a Nokia N900 on a store in france ? |
| 17:32.01 | jacekowski | i think so |
| 17:32.58 | paulk_ | Is someone french here ? |
| 17:33.17 | jacekowski | i've been in france 3 weeks ago for a week |
| 17:33.22 | jacekowski | so i'm almost like a french |
| 17:33.23 | toresbe | paulk_: You would have to ask for a Nokia Nneufcents |
| 17:33.42 | toresbe | apart from that I think you're set |
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| 17:33.57 | MohammadAG | I take french at school, can't say I'm very good at it though |
| 17:34.12 | jacekowski | i can say 'merde' |
| 17:34.27 | paulk_ | It's not the problem : I'd just like to know if someone has already buy a N900 in france |
| 17:34.33 | paulk_ | jacekowski: great! |
| 17:34.36 | jacekowski | a lot of people |
| 17:34.54 | jacekowski | (i've seen lot of people from france downloading chrome from my server) |
| 17:34.59 | paulk_ | Des français ici ? |
| 17:35.09 | jacekowski | english |
| 17:35.45 | jacekowski | and wow |
| 17:35.49 | jacekowski | he has working unicode |
| 17:36.18 | paulk_ | Ok, so if a french guy could help me, tell me so |
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| 17:37.26 | Shapeshifter | paulk_: http://www.expansys.fr/s.aspx?search=n900&x=0&y=0 |
| 17:37.40 | Treibholz | hmm, I have a mouse-cursor again! |
| 17:37.48 | Treibholz | how do I get rid of it? |
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| 17:39.07 | paulk_ | Shapeshifter: ok, is it the only way to buy it ? (500â¬, it's too much). I'd like to buy it with a subscription |
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| 17:40.28 | n900-dk | Shapeshifter: Looks like something is wrong with the file pyside.zip |
| 17:40.28 | Shapeshifter | paulk_: don't know about subscriptions but why don't you just check out the mobile provider pages |
| 17:40.28 | n900-dk | error [pyside.zip]: missing 364896 bytes in zipfile |
| 17:40.28 | dsster | Damn it, i ordered my n900 on friday and he just shipped it on wednesday at 9pm! Don't they understand how important this is? |
| 17:40.28 | Shapeshifter | n900-dk: I know, I already replaced the link |
| 17:40.29 | Shapeshifter | n900-dk: try the new link (same post) |
| 17:40.40 | paulk_ | Shapeshifter: I didn't found anything on the mobile provider pages. And I visited all the stores is my city. No N900. |
| 17:40.47 | n900-dk | ahh damn, the post was updated in the meantime, thx :) |
| 17:40.50 | paulk_ | in my city* |
| 17:41.30 | Treibholz | jacekowski: what's the URL of your chrome-package? |
| 17:42.18 | jacekowski | it's gone |
| 17:42.25 | Treibholz | oh... |
| 17:42.26 | jacekowski | i moved in into extras-devel repo |
| 17:42.31 | jacekowski | it* |
| 17:43.15 | Treibholz | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free ? |
| 17:43.26 | Treibholz | can't find it with apt-cache search... |
| 17:43.47 | X-Fade | Oh, sound on the stream :) |
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| 17:44.22 | Treibholz | ahh, chromium, not chrome |
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| 17:47.41 | dsster | Can you turn a n900 into a temporary music bridge? |
| 17:47.59 | Treibholz | yes, with an internet-radio and the fm-transmitter! |
| 17:48.24 | GAN900 | X-Fade, the LF police will get me. |
| 17:48.26 | dsster | no i mean like play a move on a pc and broadcast sound to amplifier trhough the n900 realtime |
| 17:48.59 | javispedro | streaming server overloading!! |
| 17:49.21 | X-Fade | Nah, crappy hotel internet ;) |
| 17:49.27 | jacekowski | dsster: PA can do that trick |
| 17:49.32 | dsster | i would need a sound driver on desktop compatible with software on the n900 to act as a music bride |
| 17:49.42 | dsster | PA? |
| 17:49.49 | jacekowski | pulseaudio |
| 17:49.58 | dsster | Oh ok |
| 17:50.00 | GAN900 | was downloading the Fennec update. |
| 17:50.10 | n900-dk | Shapeshifter: pyside-qt4-base depends on libboost-python1.38.0 (>= 1.38.0-1) |
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| 17:50.38 | dsster | I guess I will have to play around with it when i get it |
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| 17:51.57 | GAN900 | had a nice chat with Quim, Roland, Henri, Randall and Dimmitri (Transifex) |
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| 17:52.51 | javispedro | paulk_: weren't you asking for somebody from France? |
| 17:52.53 | Khertan | Heya ! |
| 17:53.03 | paulk_ | javispedro: exactly :) |
| 17:53.12 | lcuk | X-Fade, so where are you on hotel network! |
| 17:53.13 | Shapeshifter | n900-dk: oh dear |
| 17:53.23 | javispedro | paulk_, Khertan: :) |
| 17:53.31 | n900-dk | Shapeshifter: well, apt-get -f install solved it :) |
| 17:53.33 | Khertan | somebody from france <- i m french |
| 17:53.40 | Shapeshifter | n900-dk: ah brilliant |
| 17:53.40 | X-Fade | lcuk: not me, but the stream probably gets out from there. |
| 17:53.44 | paulk_ | Khertan: okay, on peux PM ? |
| 17:53.48 | Khertan | but didn t follow the subject just arrived :) |
| 17:53.54 | Khertan | yep pas de soucis |
| 17:54.15 | Khertan | par contre je suis dans le rer ca risque de deco :) |
| 17:54.52 | Shapeshifter | il'y'a des legumes sur le photo. |
| 17:55.30 | lcuk | it looks like the cloud is not working too well |
| 17:55.33 | lcuk | more like a rusty tap |
| 17:55.39 | GAN900 | had a nice chat with Quim, Roland, Henri, Randall and Dimmitri (Transifex) |
| 17:55.51 | lcuk | deja vu? |
| 17:56.00 | GAN900 | erm |
| 17:56.04 | javispedro | GAN900 is restarting... |
| 17:56.16 | lcuk | GAN001 |
| 17:56.18 | GAN900 | Holy Shit, Fennec actually has non-broken zoomed kerning |
| 17:56.36 | GAN900 | What what my non-send-history contribution was. |
| 17:56.46 | GAN900 | (up key is too close to enter) |
| 17:57.07 | lcuk | gah downloading images while trying to stream fails |
| 17:58.29 | n900-dk | Shapeshifter: Would it be possible to make an 'switch profile'-event triggered by a string in topic of a calendar event? |
| 17:58.39 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 17:58.40 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:00.07 | Shapeshifter | n900-dk: maybe, I don't really have the time for looking into it. If I find a minute I'll implement a couple of the "future features" listed on in the first post. what you're suggesting sounds clever but is rather demanding because it would base on more then just the alarmd daemon. |
| 18:01.13 | n900-dk | Shapeshifter: It would be really nice for meetings and stuff like that |
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| 18:02.19 | Shapeshifter | yeah I can imagine that |
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| 18:03.00 | n900-dk | It's a great app, thanks for making it and telling :) |
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| 18:04.18 | Shapeshifter | n900-dk: thanks |
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| 18:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it's a calendar addon, not exactly an alarmed genuine task |
| 18:13.20 | Shapeshifter | true, it doesn't have anything to do with alarmd. |
| 18:13.29 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, is the autobuilder down? |
| 18:13.48 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: no |
| 18:14.50 | MohammadAG | wonders why there are no errors and it failed |
| 18:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: and we don't really want to go down the road of iPhone, to implement everything function-wise into everything app-wise, no? ;-P |
| 18:15.01 | Treibholz | yeah! I found out where my Mousecursor came from and how to get rid of it! :-) |
| 18:15.24 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: that's true. again a shame that the stupid nokia apps aren't open source |
| 18:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:15.34 | Shapeshifter | by now they would all be awesome |
| 18:15.53 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Check your debian/control file. Is that all ok? |
| 18:16.06 | MohammadAG | Didn't change anything |
| 18:16.08 | Shapeshifter | seriously, with some community help forked versions of the calendar, image viewer, file browser, and most importantly modest would be spectacular by now. |
| 18:16.09 | MohammadAG | I'll check though |
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| 18:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | alas Nokia decided to 'differentiate' - to the inferior side ;-P |
| 18:16.29 | Treibholz | I checked out my .MyConfigs from svn, ran 'make symlinks' and had ~.icons, with my normal mousecursor. |
| 18:16.46 | MohammadAG | thinks he found the problem |
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| 18:16.54 | n900-dk | DocScrutinizer: It is fine by me, if it could be in another app, I'm just missing the task, that I was used to on S60 by the 'Handy Profiles' app |
| 18:16.54 | MohammadAG | Khertan, ping |
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| 18:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | n900-dk: well understood, mate :-) |
| 18:18.10 | n900-dk | Now I'm just disturbing the meetings :) |
| 18:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | bbl - away for dinner |
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| 18:21.14 | javispedro | Jaffa: there? |
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| 18:22.03 | Khertan2 | back |
| 18:22.09 | Khertan2 | connection drop |
| 18:22.52 | lcuk | "cut out your backend" |
| 18:23.07 | lcuk | i suppose that may release a cloud |
| 18:23.22 | Khertan2 | MohammaAG: you ping me ? |
| 18:23.26 | Khertan2 | lcuk: lol |
| 18:23.51 | Khertan2 | i should also ask to the train to not thru tunnels |
| 18:23.51 | Khertan2 | :) |
| 18:24.26 | Khertan2 | ~ping |
| 18:24.27 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:24.32 | MohammadAG | Khertan2, yeah, thought of something for pypackager |
| 18:24.38 | MohammadAG | I added to n |
| 18:24.40 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 18:24.41 | Khertan2 | yep ? |
| 18:24.47 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 18:25.12 | MohammadAG | added two \n-s |
| 18:25.16 | MohammadAG | \n\n |
| 18:25.24 | Khertan2 | (hurry there is an other tunnels in 3 min :) or email me at khertan@khertan.net) |
| 18:25.27 | MohammadAG | So it resulted in an empty line in the description |
| 18:25.37 | MohammadAG | which made the build fail |
| 18:25.39 | Khertan2 | hum strange |
| 18:25.55 | Khertan2 | i should look into the code |
| 18:25.58 | MohammadAG | so I was thinking maybe you could make it echo a . into there where there's an empty line |
| 18:26.03 | MohammadAG | two \n s |
| 18:26.14 | MohammadAG | \n\n |
| 18:26.18 | MohammadAG | fixed by using \n.\n |
| 18:26.30 | Khertan2 | :) |
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| 18:26.38 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, one more question, it doesn't seem to send emails now |
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| 18:26.49 | MohammadAG | Package-name OK/FAILED |
| 18:27.18 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: To you or the list? |
| 18:27.24 | Khertan2 | To all PyGTKEditor users if you want to use the last version it s available on my own repository only |
| 18:27.25 | MohammadAG | to my email address |
| 18:27.32 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: I see it on the list at least. |
| 18:27.36 | Khertan2 | now more on extras |
| 18:27.37 | MohammadAG | yes it's on the list |
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| 18:28.01 | Khertan2 | the link in maemo.org/download |
| 18:28.07 | Khertan2 | point to my repository |
| 18:28.31 | konttori | Khertan2: good idea (to host it yourself) |
| 18:28.45 | javispedro | wonders what he's doing watching some people talk about SaaS |
| 18:28.50 | Khertan2 | but upgrade will not work with ham as ham ignore package from other repository if there are in ham |
| 18:28.52 | FlavioFerreiraBR | someone have been problems with Xb-Maemo-Icon-26 at Debian package creation ? |
| 18:29.00 | FlavioFerreiraBR | in control file |
| 18:29.04 | konttori | I like it much more than people delivering content to actual end users through extras-devel (which is the only other sane option) |
| 18:30.46 | Khertan2 | konttori : i m not sure |
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| 18:31.36 | MohammadAG | FlavioFerreiraBR, nope |
| 18:31.38 | GAN900 | javispedro, I dunno, I'm sitting here watching Texrat tap out twits with his stylus. :P |
| 18:31.41 | Khertan2 | hum but currently there is so few dowload and connection to my repository that i m not sure |
| 18:31.43 | MohammadAG | add a space before each line |
| 18:31.45 | Khertan2 | really |
| 18:31.58 | frals | GAN900: hehe, bet he enjoyed the deb-vs-rpm on twitter |
| 18:32.02 | frals | ;D |
| 18:32.07 | RST38h | mooo khertan |
| 18:32.13 | X-Fade | frals: trol :) |
| 18:32.21 | Khertan2 | hi RST38h |
| 18:32.24 | frals | X-Fade: wasnt me! honest! :D |
| 18:32.31 | X-Fade | frals: suuuuure :) |
| 18:32.38 | GAN900 | Sockpuppets |
| 18:32.52 | javispedro | 231 Watt, 134 bpm, 90 rpm. |
| 18:33.02 | X-Fade | dh7 is the answer! |
| 18:33.08 | lcuk | Khertan2, did you actually work out what happens if someone adopts pygtkeditor and puts it in extras(-devel|testing) ? |
| 18:33.22 | javispedro | bang! first kill |
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| 18:33.33 | FlavioFerreiraBR | MohammadAG, i did it |
| 18:33.42 | MohammadAG | lcuk, the maintainer gets changed |
| 18:34.03 | mece | javispedro, what are you killing? |
| 18:34.07 | FlavioFerreiraBR | MohammadAG, but the result was : |
| 18:34.11 | FlavioFerreiraBR | MohammadAG, dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Maemo-Icon-26' in input data in package's section of control info file |
| 18:34.11 | javispedro | flies |
| 18:34.15 | mece | :D |
| 18:34.27 | Khertan2 | lcuk : nope |
| 18:34.27 | MohammadAG | FlavioFerreiraBR, ignore it |
| 18:34.28 | lcuk | yeah MohammadAG but what happens to maemo downloads page |
| 18:34.31 | X-Fade | FlavioFerreiraBR: Warning, not error. |
| 18:34.31 | mece | FlavioFerreiraBR, that's ok. Still works |
| 18:34.39 | MohammadAG | lcuk, yes the maintainer gets changed |
| 18:34.39 | mece | LOL |
| 18:34.40 | Khertan2 | lcuk : and package are still not remove from extras |
| 18:34.56 | X-Fade | Khertan2: We have people wanting to take over maintainership. |
| 18:35.02 | lcuk | people are still using it! |
| 18:35.07 | MohammadAG | lcuk, http://maemo.org/packages/view/xarchiver |
| 18:35.09 | X-Fade | Khertan2: So that is why I'm waiting. |
| 18:35.26 | MohammadAG | I didn't mean for it to be replaced with my name |
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| 18:35.45 | Khertan2 | X-Fade : ? huh ? who ? |
| 18:35.46 | MohammadAG | proof is that I requested to be a maintainer |
| 18:35.46 | javispedro | GAN900: did Texrat just write "interesting talk"? |
| 18:35.46 | MohammadAG | Pending maintainer requests: |
| 18:35.47 | MohammadAG | Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh |
| 18:35.52 | MohammadAG | no response though |
| 18:36.00 | FlavioFerreiraBR | mece, X-Fade , MohammadAG : yes. Still works , but the icon dont shows at app manages uninstalation |
| 18:36.05 | [DarkGUNMAN] | evening all! |
| 18:36.05 | GAN900 | javispedro, where? |
| 18:36.09 | javispedro | tweeeeter |
| 18:36.10 | GAN900 | javispedro, twitter? |
| 18:36.17 | GAN900 | Dunno |
| 18:36.22 | MohammadAG | FlavioFerreiraBR, did you install the new version? (it happens :P) |
| 18:36.34 | javispedro | it was a rhetorical question :) he did |
| 18:36.40 | [DarkGUNMAN] | anyone here know how to compile on their N900? |
| 18:36.54 | GAN900 | javispedro, ah. :P |
| 18:36.54 | MohammadAG | [DarkGUNMAN], ssh + scratchbox on a PC |
| 18:37.09 | FlavioFerreiraBR | MohammadAG, yes. |
| 18:37.15 | lcuk | does open cloud == open data == no |
| 18:37.28 | javispedro | QUESTION: |
| 18:37.34 | lcuk | lol |
| 18:37.45 | javispedro | #info |
| 18:37.51 | lcuk | maybe we should be on meego-questions |
| 18:37.53 | lcuk | #undo |
| 18:37.54 | lcuk | #undo |
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| 18:38.54 | DrGrov | Why does it seem like the default repositories are not having anything new in them? |
| 18:39.02 | DrGrov | Perhaps I have to change something? |
| 18:39.38 | mece | this channel seems unusually bizarre today. Is everyone drunk? |
| 18:40.00 | DrGrov | i'm sober |
| 18:40.04 | GAN900 | Not yet! |
| 18:40.04 | lcuk | mece? wont turn down free beer tho |
| 18:40.05 | frals | i think we are still recovering from the math mayhem earlier |
| 18:40.10 | GAN900 | Open bar tonight, though! |
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| 18:40.18 | javispedro | that's #info indeed! |
| 18:40.19 | X-Fade | GAN900: Send some our way! :) |
| 18:40.25 | frals | i should be drunk, i got results from my last exam today which i passed \o/ |
| 18:40.36 | mece | cheers frals on |
| 18:40.45 | X-Fade | After days of build insanity, I should be drunk too ;) |
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| 18:40.51 | lcuk | open bar sells wine personally made from scratch by rms |
| 18:40.52 | frals | X-Fade: :D |
| 18:40.52 | javispedro | heehee |
| 18:41.03 | lcuk | he took his sandles off and squashed the grapes himself |
| 18:41.04 | RST38h | lcuk: is it safe? |
| 18:41.11 | GAN900 | javispedro, Texrat wants me to hit you with a trout. |
| 18:41.47 | GAN900 | lcuk, ohgod |
| 18:42.00 | javispedro | must be that I'm sleepy today |
| 18:42.05 | GAN900 | will get the beer, then. |
| 18:42.23 | X-Fade | refreshes -developers |
| 18:42.29 | X-Fade | refreshes -developers again |
| 18:42.34 | X-Fade | Lazy javispedro ;) |
| 18:42.59 | frals | this is pretty interesting, when i introduce an error in my program, the osso_abook_contact_chooser gets the list of contacts everytime... |
| 18:43.18 | RST38h | developers developers developers |
| 18:43.23 | frals | even thou the code i add isnt even executed until the app terminates |
| 18:43.23 | RST38h | throws a stool |
| 18:45.14 | Shapeshifter | that's significantly better then throwing stool |
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| 18:47.07 | javispedro | wishes for a .deb suicide questioner |
| 18:47.53 | GAN900 | javispedro, wait for Ari's talk. :P |
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| 18:50.48 | javispedro | Hour and half? |
| 18:51.07 | javispedro | ah, I see. |
| 18:51.09 | X-Fade | Long lunch break :) |
| 18:51.11 | lcuk | takes longer to eat whilst collaborating |
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| 18:51.26 | lcuk | which is reasonable :) |
| 18:51.31 | javispedro | bah, you should be used to 5 minute lunch breaks already |
| 18:51.39 | javispedro | all while sketching the future |
| 18:51.49 | lcuk | lucky if i get 5mins |
| 18:51.56 | javispedro | that's the spirit :) |
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| 18:54.26 | konttori | any good idea how to create efficient gtk iconview for bigger lists |
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| 18:54.45 | mamalmqv | ping! |
| 18:55.13 | mamalmqv | I'm trying to build Qt for maemo, but I'm getting this error: /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/ld: cannot find -lbootstrap |
| 18:55.42 | mamalmqv | it worked the other day, but not since I pulled the latest source |
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| 18:55.45 | lcuk | konttori, how big - sort of numbers |
| 18:55.54 | lcuk | 10s 100s 1000s ? |
| 18:56.12 | konttori | 1000s only, but iconview sucks even on that small lists |
| 18:56.28 | mamalmqv | can anyone say if it's likely to be due to my environment/config, or the new source code? |
| 18:56.29 | konttori | because by default, it requires pixbufs for all icons. |
| 18:56.51 | Khertan | Lol i can't enter in my house as my wife close the door from inside with key on the lock and go out by the garage door but i can use my wifi :) |
| 18:56.59 | konttori | (in advance) - you cannot provide it with a renderer function like the listviews allow. |
| 18:57.21 | lcuk | konttori, custom renderer |
| 18:57.29 | lcuk | for whole list then |
| 18:57.38 | lcuk | but then you have to deal with caching anyway |
| 18:57.39 | konttori | so, no iconview at all? |
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| 18:57.49 | lcuk | well you just said you tried it |
| 18:57.52 | konttori | I have caching sorted out already for the list solution |
| 18:57.53 | GAN900 | Texrat, yo! |
| 18:58.00 | frals | o/ Texrat |
| 18:58.01 | Khertan | Qt question : does there is component to access to the maemo 5 calendar content ? |
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| 18:58.28 | Texrat | slaps everyone with large catfish |
| 18:58.31 | Treibholz | Khertan: sqlite |
| 18:58.34 | Khertan | an QtEvolution ? |
| 18:58.50 | javispedro | X-Fade: our cloaaaaaaaaaaaks ;P |
| 18:58.54 | Treibholz | Khertan: the Calender has nothing to do with evolution |
| 18:59.00 | Khertan | Treibbholz : oh task and event are stored in a simple sqlite ? |
| 18:59.06 | Treibholz | Khertan: yes. |
| 18:59.12 | X-Fade | Ah yes, let me do that now. |
| 18:59.16 | Khertan | Treibbholz oh i think ... good news |
| 18:59.20 | konttori | Khertan: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb |
| 18:59.22 | Treibholz | Khertan: .calendar/calendardb |
| 18:59.41 | lcuk | konttori, your other window |
| 18:59.42 | Treibholz | is currently playing around with it for CalDAV-sync |
| 18:59.43 | konttori | it's the only sane way to do it. Just open it with the qt sqlite lib. |
| 18:59.44 | Khertan | thx a lot ! |
| 19:00.09 | Khertan | (i ll do my on task ui as i found the nokia one useless for my use) |
| 19:00.33 | Khertan | s/on/own |
| 19:01.00 | Khertan | and it ll be an excuse to lean qt with python |
| 19:01.14 | konttori | Sounds like a good excuse. |
| 19:01.18 | Khertan | :) |
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| 19:01.47 | konttori | I'm having an excuse to write a media consumer player atm on gtk to deepen understanding of gtk before I move along to qt world. |
| 19:01.59 | javispedro | heh |
| 19:02.00 | Khertan | my ui is already working in gtk ... but :) hey ! |
| 19:02.02 | Khertan | :) |
| 19:02.07 | konttori | as I pointed out earlier, atm, I am hating iconview. |
| 19:02.30 | Khertan | :) |
| 19:03.26 | Khertan | other question there is no way to show file extension too in qt file dialog ? |
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| 19:05.03 | unikscm | hello~ |
| 19:05.16 | unikscm | plz melp me.. |
| 19:05.28 | unikscm | i have a problem.. |
| 19:05.58 | unikscm | i use maemo5 SDK |
| 19:06.07 | unikscm | maemo@maemo-desktop:~$ /scratchbox/login after |
| 19:06.46 | unikscm | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install python2.5 libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-dev libidl-dev <===== this command |
| 19:07.22 | unikscm | qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting <========== i met this error.. |
| 19:07.33 | unikscm | what's problem~?? |
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| 19:10.54 | noobmonk3y | yawns |
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| 19:14.48 | MohammadAG | matchers.cc:4293: warning: 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher' has a field 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher::<anonymous>' whose type uses the anonymous namespace |
| 19:14.54 | MohammadAG | any ideas? |
| 19:15.28 | Shapeshifter | btw, does anyone else have brighter spots on the screen? very noticable when looking at a white screen (e.g. loading page) |
| 19:15.58 | Shapeshifter | I have four scattered accross the right side of the screen |
| 19:16.00 | X-Fade | councilmen, you should get your cloaks now. |
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| 19:20.09 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 19:20.21 | noobmonk3y | hey hey |
| 19:20.37 | Aranel_ | heard that it is now possible to use animated/live wallpapers on Maemo 5 desktop? Anybody know how? |
| 19:20.54 | trumee | guys, is it possible to disable vibration for IM but have them enabled for phone calls? |
| 19:20.58 | X-Fade | Aranel_: With PR1.2 you are able to do that, yes. |
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| 19:21.21 | noobmonk3y | X-Fade, he is now gonna ask you where to get PR1.2 ;) |
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| 19:21.26 | noobmonk3y | grins |
| 19:21.41 | X-Fade | Aranel_: Check the live-wallpaper package in extras-devel as an example. |
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| 19:21.53 | Aranel_ | nope, you re wrong noobmonk3y :) I know its not out yet. |
| 19:21.53 | X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Should work in SDK too :) |
| 19:21.58 | noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 19:22.05 | noobmonk3y | doesnt use the SDK :( |
| 19:22.24 | X-Fade | vlad is doing something cool with it at least. |
| 19:22.33 | noobmonk3y | yeah it does look good :D |
| 19:22.50 | X-Fade | Right now it became night on my desktop ;) |
| 19:22.52 | lcuk | looks at noobmonk3y sideways |
| 19:23.01 | Aranel_ | X-Fade: hmm. I saw this: http://www.maxicep.com/nokia-maemo-uygulama/n900-canli-hareketli-duvar-kagidi-336854.html |
| 19:23.04 | X-Fade | And the tram crosses the screen underneath my icons ;) |
| 19:23.10 | Aranel_ | X-Fade: do you know if its commercial or free? |
| 19:23.16 | MohammadAG | looks at the broken live-wallpaper package on his PR1.1.1 device |
| 19:23.17 | noobmonk3y | tilts his head straight |
| 19:23.31 | lcuk | MohammadAG, tell me whats actually broken with it |
| 19:23.36 | X-Fade | Aranel_: That is live-wallpaper, which is free. |
| 19:23.58 | Aranel_ | Thanks ^^ |
| 19:24.00 | MohammadAG | lcuk, when the background blurs (status menu and the like) the actual background is shown (in my case, water1) |
| 19:24.19 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: It has some issues with the background on PR1.2 too. |
| 19:24.33 | X-Fade | Some redraw/damage issues it seems. |
| 19:24.46 | MohammadAG | fires up the SDK GUI to check |
| 19:25.40 | X-Fade | Especially under the calendar widget it seems. |
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| 19:25.56 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, same with the facebook widget here |
| 19:26.07 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, is it only shown on one desktop? |
| 19:26.35 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, although the moving cloud goes a bit to the left and right desktop too. |
| 19:26.48 | MohammadAG | but not all 4 |
| 19:26.48 | X-Fade | So it should be possible to write on more desktops. |
| 19:27.02 | MohammadAG | ok so these aren't PR1.1.1. issues |
| 19:27.05 | MohammadAG | PR1.1.1* |
| 19:27.19 | X-Fade | No, probably just coded that way. |
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| 19:29.04 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: You should even be able to use video. |
| 19:29.08 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, err, how di I enable it? |
| 19:29.10 | MohammadAG | do* |
| 19:29.19 | X-Fade | add widget |
| 19:29.24 | MohammadAG | When I installed it on my device it got auto enabled |
| 19:29.24 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 19:29.31 | frals | that live-wallpaper looks pretty cool |
| 19:29.55 | MohammadAG | oh it uses the time too |
| 19:29.57 | MohammadAG | nice! |
| 19:29.57 | X-Fade | frals: adapts to clock too. |
| 19:30.05 | frals | yeah :) |
| 19:30.23 | SpeedEvil | plays with his not-quite-live wallpaper package. |
| 19:30.26 | MohammadAG | there's a settings part for the widget, never noticed that |
| 19:30.39 | SpeedEvil | command-line-widget + wget + gconf to set the background |
| 19:30.43 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: New since 0.2, I think ;) |
| 19:31.23 | X-Fade | I actually tested the PR1.2 dependency generation with that app on the test builder ;) |
| 19:31.37 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, swipe the desktop slowly to the right (move to the left hand desktop) |
| 19:31.46 | MohammadAG | you'll see the train without the background |
| 19:31.55 | frals | would be pretty cool to get a postal worker on your homescreen walking about when you get a new mail |
| 19:32.14 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Same for the cloud. |
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| 19:33.23 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 19:33.38 | MohammadAG | I thought it was only broken for PR1.1.1 |
| 19:34.08 | X-Fade | No, I guess that is just the way the widget is coded. Not really a limitation or bug in the desktop. |
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| 19:36.28 | Gh0sty | voila |
| 19:36.39 | Gh0sty | my force recharge cable for my n900 is built :) |
| 19:36.45 | Gh0sty | some soldering fun :P |
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| 19:37.38 | FredrIQ | hm |
| 19:37.38 | RST38h | wants sheep |
| 19:37.43 | RST38h | really wants sheep |
| 19:37.44 | FredrIQ | is there no SDK for windows? |
| 19:38.24 | MohammadAG | there's'a virtual machine image |
| 19:38.29 | MohammadAG | but no, no native SDK |
| 19:38.40 | FredrIQ | if not, i will download and install wubi as tmp solution until i feel like buy a microSD |
| 19:38.43 | FredrIQ | hm |
| 19:38.46 | FredrIQ | ok |
| 19:39.08 | RST38h | Can we have desktop sheep please? =) |
| 19:39.20 | lcuk | :) RST38h |
| 19:39.46 | lcuk | theres lots of things which this opens up |
| 19:40.08 | noobmonk3y | oooo |
| 19:40.10 | noobmonk3y | desktop sheep! |
| 19:40.16 | noobmonk3y | i want a desktop monkey butler! |
| 19:40.23 | Shapeshifter | mhh. this live-wallpaper is cute |
| 19:40.25 | RST38h | is dead serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep |
| 19:40.29 | Shapeshifter | wonder how much more battery it will eat |
| 19:40.32 | noobmonk3y | was serious too! |
| 19:40.43 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, does it matter when sat at home |
| 19:40.48 | noobmonk3y | Shapeshifter, monkey butlers don't eat batteries, they eat bannanas!! :D |
| 19:40.51 | lcuk | i think sensible would be power option |
| 19:41.03 | lcuk | [full,whencharging,restricted,slow]] |
| 19:41.09 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: Stops when not on top. |
| 19:41.45 | X-Fade | And my guess is that you don't sit and watch your desktop for hours on end. |
| 19:41.53 | frals | RST38h: ESheep is awesome |
| 19:41.55 | lcuk | X-Fade, some do! |
| 19:42.00 | lcuk | live feeds trickling in |
| 19:42.01 | Shapeshifter | X-Fade: :) |
| 19:42.04 | lcuk | next to your big pooter |
| 19:42.18 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: or a webcam of the real world |
| 19:42.19 | lcuk | entirely practical tbh :) |
| 19:42.40 | lcuk | now you are going to far SpeedEvil |
| 19:42.44 | lcuk | thats cgi |
| 19:44.03 | mece | I'm on an 80ies B-movie spree. Should I go Fantasy, Post-apoc or Ninja today? |
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| 19:44.30 | mece | err.. meant to tweet that. |
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| 19:45.48 | RST38h | javispedro: here? |
| 19:46.42 | opdf2 | are there any real high capacity batteries out yet for n900? |
| 19:46.50 | nid0 | mugen do one |
| 19:47.00 | nid0 | and it makes your device go from big to brick |
| 19:47.01 | opdf2 | oh besides the fatty |
| 19:48.42 | X-Fade | opdf2: Just buy 2? |
| 19:49.00 | flux | it's only a couple millimeters thicker than nokia 9500 ;) |
| 19:49.15 | luke-jr | X-Fade: then charging the backup is inconvenient? |
| 19:49.27 | luke-jr | and you can't swap it without a reboot |
| 19:49.32 | nid0 | just buy a powermonkey, so much easier solution |
| 19:49.32 | X-Fade | luke-jr: Big deal? |
| 19:49.35 | luke-jr | unless you have AC and don't need it in the first place |
| 19:50.00 | RST38h | notices how n900 makes people carry power supplies with them |
| 19:50.11 | X-Fade | When I go away and don't have power for a while the batteries suffice. And then when I have AC, I just charge them? |
| 19:50.21 | RST38h | Will the wall wart become a fashion accessory eventually? =) |
| 19:50.50 | X-Fade | *cough* Or put them in another N900 to charge. *cough* ;) |
| 19:51.11 | Scelt | X-Fade: ipad deal? |
| 19:51.11 | Aranel_ | X-Fade: cannot install Live Wallpaper. libhildon1 missing. |
| 19:51.37 | X-Fade | Aranel_: Only possible on PR1.2 SDK or device. |
| 19:52.06 | Aranel_ | since PR1.2 is not out yet, its only possible on SDK? |
| 19:52.14 | X-Fade | Aranel_: Yes. |
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| 19:53.08 | opdf2 | X-Fade: maybe i'll do that. i already carry the usb cable around everywhere |
| 19:53.13 | Aranel_ | ok :) |
| 19:53.55 | X-Fade | But it looks and behaves the same in the SDK. |
| 19:53.56 | opdf2 | sooo any reputable shops with legit genuine BL-5J? |
| 19:54.04 | opdf2 | i dont want fake stuff |
| 19:54.10 | Scelt | opdf2: dealextreme.com |
| 19:54.17 | MohammadAG | needs 10 BL-5Js |
| 19:54.22 | X-Fade | Scelt: That is the fake stuff. |
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| 19:54.46 | Scelt | X-Fade: sure, if you say so |
| 19:55.20 | X-Fade | Buy one and find out how bad they are ;) |
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| 19:56.00 | Scelt | just as bad as nokia batteries are |
| 19:56.16 | X-Fade | No, far less capacity. |
| 19:56.23 | Myrtti | X-Fade: was thinking of using my wiki admin rights again... |
| 19:56.32 | X-Fade | Myrtti: Sounds scary. |
| 19:56.53 | Scelt | X-Fade: what you are talking about now? they are genuine nokia batteries. I'm not meaning those 2 $ shit |
| 19:56.53 | Myrtti | X-Fade: I did last weekend, revert and ban. |
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| 19:57.35 | X-Fade | Scelt: Those $2 ones are just scary. |
| 19:57.52 | Scelt | X-Fade: I know. That's why I'm talking about genuine nokia batteries |
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| 20:00.02 | Scelt | opdf2: X-Fade: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ErPFQbezzhsJ:www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32444+dealextreme+bl-5j&cd=2&hl=fi&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera |
| 20:00.21 | Khertan | RST38h i suse a samsung n130 as power supply it s a quite good power supply |
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| 20:00.35 | flashn | how do I bootstrap a nice core/bin-utils environment? |
| 20:01.13 | opdf2 | Scelt: you've bought this from dx? |
| 20:01.48 | Scelt | opdf2: not this particular battery but different genuine nokia batteries yes |
| 20:02.20 | MohammadAG | Khertan, got some questions, do you have some time to help? |
| 20:02.29 | opdf2 | hmm i'll consider this cuz in know dx has one of the cheapest prices around. i do know the shipping takes forever but im okay with that |
| 20:02.35 | RST38h | Somebody should really hurt the D-THEME guy |
| 20:02.47 | Myrtti | meh, dneary isn't online |
| 20:02.58 | Scelt | opdf2: the price is close enough to be worth of genuine battery. shipping to Finland takes around 10 work days |
| 20:03.24 | opdf2 | Scelt: cool ty |
| 20:03.36 | Khertan | 16$ is close ? |
| 20:03.37 | Scelt | opdf2: np pal. happy shopping :) |
| 20:03.44 | Scelt | Khertan: _enough_ |
| 20:03.49 | Khertan | ouch it s 45 Euro in france |
| 20:03.59 | Khertan | more arround 55 $ |
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| 20:04.12 | Scelt | 36 euros in Finland |
| 20:04.13 | X-Fade | Charge $100 for it, then it will be even better ;) |
| 20:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | back from dinner, now Palin on news makes me barf it back up |
| 20:05.15 | Khertan | 36 Euros + french tva + french other tax ... yep so same price than in finland just too highly priced due to tax |
| 20:05.33 | Scelt | X-Fade: I doubt they are bothering to fake those. Too much trouble to copy all those hologram stickers etc. |
| 20:06.10 | Khertan | Scelt: hum there is some really nice done nokia battery copy |
| 20:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | Scelt: faking holos? Those been invented in China ;-P |
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| 20:06.24 | X-Fade | Scelt: No, had nicely faked hologram ones in my hands. |
| 20:07.40 | nid0 | Scelt: there are plenty of fake batteries that're hologrammed and printed exactly the same as genuine nokias |
| 20:08.06 | Scelt | Blaah. etc there. The original package and all. If it's fake, then be. All those batteries sold in Nokia.com are from the China too, and done in same factories. |
| 20:08.31 | Scelt | Welcome to world of globalism |
| 20:08.33 | X-Fade | Scelt: I had one in nice looking original package, with holos. |
| 20:08.54 | Scelt | as I said, done in same factories. Maybe in night shift |
| 20:08.55 | X-Fade | 800mAh at best. |
| 20:09.09 | GAN900 | X-Fade, cool! |
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| 20:09.36 | X-Fade | Only Jaffa is a slacker. |
| 20:09.36 | Scelt | X-Fade: if you were screwed by a turkish saler on a bazar, it doesn't mean we all will fall to the same trap |
| 20:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | actually I give a shit about whether it's faked so far. My flat burned down on failure of original NiCad |
| 20:09.49 | kevloral | Scelt: http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0027YK94O |
| 20:09.57 | X-Fade | Because he hasn't set an email ;) |
| 20:10.19 | Shapeshifter | hasn't dared to try out his hongkong battery yet |
| 20:10.23 | javispedro | meego! meego! meego! fivvvveeeee minutes. |
| 20:10.32 | Shapeshifter | I should get a desktop charger and try it out. |
| 20:10.33 | Scelt | kevloral: I can see the difference there |
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| 20:12.07 | kevloral | Scelt: because you see both the genuine and the fake one, side by side. But if you only saw the fake one, would you realize it is fake? |
| 20:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | chnaces a cheap desktop charger blows a genuine Nokia cell are higher than N900 going boom due to a fake |
| 20:13.00 | MohammadAG | hates how the headset is switched to by a daemon |
| 20:13.06 | MohammadAG | (which sometimes fails) |
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| 20:13.12 | Scelt | kevloral: hard to say :) |
| 20:13.17 | noobmonk3y | punches the daemon in the face |
| 20:13.18 | Scelt | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dW5MsplEx4gJ:www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/BrowseReviews.dx/sku.22691+deal+extreme+nokia+batteries+fake&cd=2&hl=fi&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera |
| 20:13.39 | MohammadAG | thanks noobmonk3y |
| 20:13.44 | noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 20:13.45 | noobmonk3y | np |
| 20:13.45 | Scelt | there's a fake BL-5J. it's even sold us "Nokia Bl-5J compatible" not genuine |
| 20:13.49 | BCMM_ | is it possible to send files over skpe on an n900? |
| 20:14.10 | MohammadAG | why is the media player stuttering gdi |
| 20:14.41 | crs | Hi there. Are you guys using any todo managers with n900? |
| 20:15.39 | MohammadAG | oh track's corrupt |
| 20:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | btw LiIon _cells_ are build by maybe 2 or 3 huge fabs worldwide. You can buy premium grade, or second grade rating cells, but still the fakers use same cells for their fakes |
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| 20:15.56 | noobmonk3y | needs a manager that manages me.... not a todo manager that i need to manage |
| 20:16.06 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 20:16.09 | Scelt | kevloral: http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0027YK94O vs. http://www1.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_32444_1.jpg - which it seems to you? |
| 20:16.24 | javispedro | is deaf |
| 20:16.31 | X-Fade | Loud. |
| 20:16.31 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 20:16.40 | Khertan | s en fout |
| 20:16.43 | Khertan | :) |
| 20:16.48 | GAN900 | Loud indeed |
| 20:16.55 | GAN900 | is deaf now. |
| 20:16.56 | kevloral | Scelt: but how do you know that the picture in the dealextreme page belongs to the battery they are actually selling? |
| 20:17.07 | javispedro | noooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:17.18 | X-Fade | buffering.. |
| 20:17.19 | X-Fade | Grr. |
| 20:17.22 | javispedro | nooooooooooo image |
| 20:17.29 | GAN900 | Zemlin's still introducing |
| 20:17.39 | GAN900 | Ari's coming on stage |
| 20:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | heh, you guys having fun? |
| 20:17.44 | Scelt | kevloral: :D you don't |
| 20:18.01 | javispedro | stop torrenting GAN900 dang it! |
| 20:18.05 | Khertan | GAN900? |
| 20:18.22 | javispedro | he's using all the upstream bandwidth |
| 20:18.23 | Scelt | kevloral: but what is the worst part. you can't even know if you're local Nokia dealer sells fake batteries |
| 20:18.23 | Khertan | hey ? a live streaming where to ? |
| 20:18.31 | GAN900 | Khertan, MeeGo keynote at LF Summit |
| 20:18.44 | Khertan | uh ?! don't know |
| 20:18.46 | javispedro | Khertan: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming (needs registration) |
| 20:19.01 | Khertan | thx |
| 20:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | fuck livestreams that need double-registration |
| 20:19.33 | Khertan | click click click click on the register button |
| 20:19.38 | ptl | bugmenot.com ? |
| 20:19.45 | GAN900 | History of Maemo |
| 20:19.49 | GAN900 | N900 |
| 20:20.18 | GAN900 | Slow start |
| 20:21.00 | GAN900 | Legal and IP are big obstacles |
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| 20:21.41 | Khertan | ah ... email validation |
| 20:22.05 | kevloral | Scelt: actually, I don't even know where there is a nokia dealer nearby. I always buy such things online. |
| 20:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | (legal and IP) BS! |
| 20:22.28 | GAN900 | "understood community participation was important from the beginning" |
| 20:22.30 | Scelt | kevloral: and the risk keeps rising |
| 20:22.33 | GAN900 | Er . . . yeah |
| 20:23.03 | Stskeeps | GAN900: they are acting quite nicely with upstream though |
| 20:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: keep on twittering though :-) |
| 20:23.10 | GAN900 | Product quality was "high on our mind" |
| 20:23.19 | RST38h | GAN: has the word "paradigm" been used already? |
| 20:23.33 | Stskeeps | are you playing bullshit bingo? |
| 20:23.36 | GAN900 | "N900 is the best in terms of quality and end-user acceptance" |
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| 20:23.47 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, no. |
| 20:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you've been faster |
| 20:23.53 | toggles_w | GAN900: ? |
| 20:23.56 | toggles_w | you drunk? |
| 20:24.01 | GAN900 | "N900 exceeding expectations" |
| 20:24.08 | GAN900 | Somebody answer for me. :P |
| 20:24.13 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 20:24.35 | GAN900 | "Focus on developers" "Not happy about how that has been address [so far]" |
| 20:24.38 | kevloral | Scelt: well, I really expect tienda.nokia.es to sell geniune batteries. :-) |
| 20:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: shut up, he's lifetwittering from a talk |
| 20:24.47 | RST38h | GAN: Is it time for a "Yea, right!" chorus? |
| 20:25.10 | GAN900 | toggles_w, Ari's MeeGo keynote at the LF Summit in SF |
| 20:25.54 | GAN900 | N900 used as a developer platform for MeeGo moving forward. |
| 20:26.29 | GAN900 | "What we need to change in that model ... is change the way we develop the product" |
| 20:26.41 | GAN900 | Talking about Sardine |
| 20:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | stinking from head? |
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| 20:26.57 | GAN900 | Trying to do integration and firmware development in the open |
| 20:27.07 | GAN900 | Didn't work well. |
| 20:27.16 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 20:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | tx |
| 20:27.32 | GAN900 | "Now we're going to change that to build the MeeGo platform in the open" |
| 20:27.45 | GAN900 | That's the change they're going through right now. |
| 20:28.01 | GAN900 | slide. "How could we focus better on user experiences? |
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| 20:28.12 | GAN900 | "How could we share more?" |
| 20:28.20 | javispedro | either you type at superhuman speed, or my video feed is lagging :) |
| 20:28.26 | BCMM_ | i'm somewhat unfamiliar with debian, how do i tell which version of a package i have installed? |
| 20:28.32 | Shapeshifter | huh |
| 20:28.33 | GAN900 | javispedro, both! |
| 20:28.43 | RST38h | javispedro: he is guessing those statements ahead of time! |
| 20:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900 is a bot, you should've known |
| 20:28.54 | GAN900 | Lot of analysis on how people use the devices |
| 20:30.06 | Myrtti | do I have an error on my eyes, or has he not changed slides for a while? he talks about statistics and studies, but shows no piecharts |
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| 20:30.17 | GAN900 | Myrtti, yeah. . . . |
| 20:30.19 | javispedro | no piecharts? dealbreaker! |
| 20:30.43 | Myrtti | well there's lots of waffling but no slides |
| 20:30.51 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 20:30.53 | GAN900 | Talking about communication and browsing focus. . . . |
| 20:30.58 | Myrtti | I can't tell is that by purpose or by accident |
| 20:31.02 | Shapeshifter | now he's Jim Zemlin |
| 20:31.10 | javispedro | lol |
| 20:31.22 | Myrtti | oof. |
| 20:31.26 | GAN900 | Focus on a featyre to make it something people really want to use. |
| 20:31.37 | javispedro | small fsckup on the streaming feed ;) |
| 20:31.42 | GAN900 | Focus on user experience for MeeGo |
| 20:31.43 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> TEMPORARY TWITTER ONLY (GAN900) || Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 20:31.53 | Shapeshifter | it's seriously lagging here |
| 20:31.57 | GAN900 | Collaborative to speed up development |
| 20:31.58 | Stskeeps | wonders what about DocScrutinizer |
| 20:32.00 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 20:32.00 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 20:32.21 | josephnexus | hello everyone! |
| 20:32.29 | GAN900 | Want to do it under LF because it gives a platform and environment to do things open |
| 20:32.31 | josephnexus | any news on when the next firmware is to be released? |
| 20:32.45 | GAN900 | Noticing duplication of effort between Intel and Nokia |
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| 20:32.57 | GAN900 | "Why do we develop them separately?" |
| 20:33.05 | javispedro | "How stupid is that?" |
| 20:33.06 | Myrtti | oh crikey, seriously. Atleast I've got a British accent nowdays |
| 20:33.08 | josephnexus | I saw that the SDK was out, but haven't seen the update available for my phone yet |
| 20:33.09 | GAN900 | Competitors can benefit from our work with open |
| 20:33.17 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: btw, GAN900=GeneralAntilles :P |
| 20:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: R |
| 20:33.36 | GAN900 | Balancing business considerations and openness |
| 20:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | too long |
| 20:33.48 | robtaylor | Myrtti: thanks for the hashtag :) |
| 20:33.57 | Myrtti | robtaylor: np |
| 20:34.00 | GAN900 | Palm produced an OMAP3 product using Nokia code before Nokia. |
| 20:34.10 | Khertan | ? |
| 20:34.19 | Shapeshifter | this thing is lagging too much |
| 20:34.30 | javispedro | I used that as an example of the maemo openness not so much time ago :) |
| 20:34.34 | Khertan | the pre ? strange |
| 20:34.36 | Myrtti | robtaylor: there's actually two tags going on |
| 20:34.53 | Myrtti | robtaylor: other is lfcs2010 |
| 20:35.03 | GAN900 | "Boils down to speed and quality and still making something you can compete [with]" |
| 20:35.21 | GAN900 | "Now if we put Moblin and Maemo together is this going to give more advantage to our competitors" |
| 20:35.36 | GAN900 | You can stay in your own proprierary corner, but how long will that work for? |
| 20:35.45 | GAN900 | "So we decided to take the next step" |
| 20:35.45 | Myrtti | GAN900: you da man! |
| 20:35.55 | javispedro | (cue slide with RPM logo) |
| 20:36.09 | Stskeeps | GAN900: i will forever be 'hearing' you with ari jaaksi's voice from now on :/ |
| 20:36.12 | GAN900 | Join forces and bring everyone in under the LF and MeeGo |
| 20:36.17 | GAN900 | Takes too much time to bring in more companies initially |
| 20:36.20 | RST38h | <DEB advocates in the auditory cring and start smoking all over> |
| 20:36.27 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 20:36.28 | javispedro | gstreamer, connman, qt, safari, telepathy, linux, fennec, rpm, gnome, ofono, Xorg. |
| 20:36.33 | GAN900 | So get started with a small group and grow. |
| 20:36.49 | Myrtti | pft. shut up all of you. MeeGo t-shirt heals all wounds |
| 20:36.51 | GAN900 | Merge Moblin and Maemo and do it in an open source way. |
| 20:36.56 | Myrtti | whiners |
| 20:37.08 | Myrtti | :-P |
| 20:37.20 | GAN900 | Repurposed maemo.org architecture venn diagrom with MeeGo on slide. |
| 20:37.37 | javispedro | "#undo" should get converted into an internet meme |
| 20:37.40 | n900-dk | Are there any news on OviMaps3 for maybe-once-upon-a-time-comming PR1.2? |
| 20:37.41 | lcuk | why doesnt ari take part in the meetings occasionally :D |
| 20:37.54 | GAN900 | emails: OMG! Internet is talking about our roadmap online! |
| 20:38.00 | GAN900 | "that's OK" |
| 20:38.06 | lcuk | quim looks somewhat tired! |
| 20:38.13 | RST38h | no shit... |
| 20:38.17 | GAN900 | "It's our duty to, along with the LF, is to keep it open" |
| 20:38.25 | lcuk | i want to photoshop his face on the entire crowd lol |
| 20:38.29 | GAN900 | No code, so what is this thing? |
| 20:38.57 | Myrtti | lcuk: when doesn't he *NOT* look tired? |
| 20:39.07 | GAN900 | "Show our vulnerability from the beginning and invite everybody to participate" |
| 20:39.08 | Stskeeps | i've seen quim not tired. admittedly, it was 8am |
| 20:39.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:39.19 | GAN900 | "It is by design that we are just building it up" |
| 20:39.21 | lcuk | when he has those googly eye things in :D |
| 20:39.32 | GAN900 | "Now is the right time to join the ride" |
| 20:39.32 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Already late for him then ;) |
| 20:39.49 | Myrtti | now is the cue for screaming "RPM to HELL!!!!" |
| 20:39.53 | javispedro | decsisions, decisions. |
| 20:39.56 | lcuk | hundreds of top "nudge" projects |
| 20:39.59 | GAN900 | Taken architecture descisions from Moblin and Maemo |
| 20:40.01 | javispedro | *decisions. |
| 20:40.23 | GAN900 | Ongoing process we invite other to participate in |
| 20:40.31 | RST38h | delusions delusions |
| 20:40.44 | GAN900 | slide: "Designed for multiple device segments" |
| 20:40.51 | GAN900 | (see meego.com . . .) |
| 20:40.53 | lcuk | netbooks tvs handsets ivi media phones |
| 20:40.55 | javispedro | heard an store where you can buy application developers |
| 20:41.22 | javispedro | heh, the Joggler |
| 20:41.31 | Stskeeps | a joggler? |
| 20:41.35 | GAN900 | Arch diagram: Differentiation (Ovi, etc): MeeGo: "Platforms basede multiple hardware arch" |
| 20:41.35 | javispedro | a OpenTablet |
| 20:41.45 | javispedro | in the "Media Phones" category. |
| 20:41.45 | GAN900 | "am |
| 20:42.04 | GAN900 | "Maybe one of the first in the industry to target such a wide range" |
| 20:42.18 | GAN900 | Have compatibility across all of these segments |
| 20:42.23 | javispedro | the codec used by ustream doesn't do ari's face any justice |
| 20:42.31 | GAN900 | "Development needs to be open and target really wide" |
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| 20:42.46 | GAN900 | "We are working on the next MeeGo-based products as we speak" |
| 20:42.52 | javispedro | will have nightmares later on with some of the artifacts |
| 20:43.05 | GAN900 | Bergie will have a summary on his qauku after |
| 20:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | appreciates javispedro's background comments :-) |
| 20:43.20 | GAN900 | How Intel and Nokia completement eachother |
| 20:43.28 | GAN900 | Nokia brings user experience |
| 20:43.42 | GAN900 | Intel brings infra and platform building EX |
| 20:43.49 | GAN900 | XP* |
| 20:43.58 | GAN900 | "For example" |
| 20:44.12 | GAN900 | slide "Bringing together some of the brightest minds" |
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| 20:44.40 | nid0 | I clearly missed something while out, there a webcast on or something? |
| 20:44.46 | GAN900 | "I think that ... Maemo can bring mobile handset experience ... operators ... ARM" |
| 20:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | heard that before |
| 20:44.51 | javispedro | nid0: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming |
| 20:44.56 | nid0 | ta |
| 20:45.07 | GAN900 | "Intel ... kernel ... x11 ... fundamental platform ingredients |
| 20:45.13 | GAN900 | has tired thumbs |
| 20:45.19 | Khertan | hihi |
| 20:45.25 | GAN900 | "Good adition we didn't have in house |
| 20:45.31 | lcuk | thinks GAN900 is doing admirably |
| 20:45.37 | GAN900 | "Now is the time to join the MeeGo project" |
| 20:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you're incredible! struggle on please :-) |
| 20:45.50 | GAN900 | "Turning into a MeeGo commercial" |
| 20:45.54 | javispedro | you'll cause him rsi; believe me he's typing very fast. |
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| 20:46.20 | GAN900 | "This is open ... you can follow where your [contribution] goes." |
| 20:46.42 | lcuk | collabora missing! |
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| 20:46.47 | GAN900 | Maemo Community Council missing from this slide listing companies from the PR release. :( |
| 20:46.51 | javispedro | acer asus bmv cisco careland cs2c devicevm gameloft ea intel kingsoft linpus mandriva metasys montavista neusoft nokia novell pixart red flag tencent turbolinux wind river xandros |
| 20:46.56 | Myrtti | lcuk: there's plenty missing |
| 20:47.01 | GAN900 | Ari blamed the guys who made his slide if there are missing |
| 20:47.02 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.14 | lcuk | Myrtti, i notice some more than others :) |
| 20:47.15 | GAN900 | roadmap |
| 20:47.22 | GAN900 | Too lazy to type it out |
| 20:47.32 | javispedro | 31.03.2010 first code drop of 10.2 |
| 20:47.34 | Stskeeps | 10.2? |
| 20:47.35 | Stskeeps | what |
| 20:47.35 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 20:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | ahh see meego.com |
| 20:47.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:47.39 | lcuk | wasnt someone saying codedrop == bad |
| 20:47.50 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, Mac OS X |
| 20:47.50 | javispedro | q2 code complete of meego 10.2 O.o ? |
| 20:47.55 | lcuk | the ibm guy earlier wasnt it!? |
| 20:48.03 | javispedro | q1 2010 code complete of 10.4 |
| 20:48.26 | GAN900 | "Last thoughts" |
| 20:48.32 | GAN900 | "Todo list for MeeGo" |
| 20:48.39 | GAN900 | Get the code out early |
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| 20:49.00 | GAN900 | "Can see a lot of what we are up to with the code" |
| 20:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | nuke blobs |
| 20:49.05 | GAN900 | If you connect the dots. . . . |
| 20:49.08 | lcuk | missing * develop user applications in the open too. \@/ |
| 20:49.20 | GAN900 | Slide: develop in the open |
| 20:49.27 | GAN900 | maintain quality and focus |
| 20:49.33 | GAN900 | governance simple |
| 20:49.36 | Myrtti | some of Bergies notes already in Qaiku: http://g0.fi/75o |
| 20:49.42 | GAN900 | help others to join |
| 20:49.45 | GAN900 | move fast! |
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| 20:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | heard that too |
| 20:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | before |
| 20:50.13 | GAN900 | Didn't do development in the open with Maemo |
| 20:50.15 | MohammadAG | the autocleaner runs too often now |
| 20:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sshh |
| 20:50.26 | lcuk | agrees with that statement |
| 20:50.35 | MohammadAG | If I upload a new package the old one is immediately deleted |
| 20:50.38 | GAN900 | "Lot of work to finish up product" |
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| 20:50.43 | lcuk | ^ that one |
| 20:50.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ? |
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| 20:51.51 | GAN900 | "At least in the mobile industry ... thinking that can we really trust this open source stuff?" |
| 20:52.00 | GAN900 | "We can't be carried away by new features and innovation before we have this quality" |
| 20:52.40 | GAN900 | "Be part of development and influence the direction." |
| 20:52.40 | GAN900 | "Needs to be very simple for us to maintain the speed" |
| 20:52.43 | PhonicUK | how do i get libhildon 2.2.10 or above for psx4all? |
| 20:53.12 | X-Fade | PhonicUK: Wait 2 days for us to sort things out. |
| 20:53.12 | Khertan | PhonicUK: install Pr1.2 ... |
| 20:53.53 | GAN900 | Other companies asking how they can join |
| 20:53.53 | GAN900 | "Need to be more clear on that" |
| 20:53.53 | GAN900 | "Need to move really fast" |
| 20:53.53 | GAN900 | "MeeGo ... combination of two existing projects ... really vibrant ... keep open ... keep governance simple ... focus on user experience" |
| 20:54.11 | GAN900 | "MeeGo ... combination of two existing projects ... really vibrant ... keep open ... keep governance simple ... focus on user experience" |
| 20:54.14 | Texrat | lol at GAN900 beside me, thumbing his n900 like a madman |
| 20:54.15 | GAN900 | crap |
| 20:54.34 | GAN900 | "Now it's time to participate on meego.com" |
| 20:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | Texrat: and we love him for that |
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| 20:54.44 | GAN900 | "Was that too much of a sales pitch?" |
| 20:55.07 | GAN900 | Question about appstore etc stuff that makes a product sucessful |
| 20:55.25 | GAN900 | Working with Intel to build up tools for app developers |
| 20:55.37 | GAN900 | "We got a lot of things going on on that front" |
| 20:55.48 | Texrat | I preferred Nokia MeeGo 'sales pitch' over IBM 'look how good we are for linux' sales pitch |
| 20:55.50 | GAN900 | "Maybe too much focus in building the firmware, though" |
| 20:56.14 | Myrtti | I've got it on my Flipcam |
| 20:56.30 | GAN900 | "This needs to get out of Intel/Nokia hands into LF and [community] hands" |
| 20:56.42 | GAN900 | question "Do you see a merging with LiMo" |
| 20:56.43 | Texrat | when GAN900 is my age, his thumbs will hate him for this day |
| 20:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | hear hear |
| 20:56.56 | javispedro | I told you he was going to get rsi :) |
| 20:57.10 | GAN900 | and "Both Intel and Nokia have a vetoe ... how does that affect an open community" |
| 20:57.15 | javispedro | considering the average n900 build quality though, the n900 will selfdestroy before that |
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| 20:57.20 | BCMM_ | why does ovi maps have a fullscreen can't get out splash screen? |
| 20:57.28 | BCMM_ | why can't i just use another application while i wait? |
| 20:57.32 | GAN900 | "All of these things are something we will change if they become obstacles." |
| 20:57.34 | BCMM_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.35 | Texrat | lol @ provocative questions |
| 20:57.36 | BCMM_ | (sorry) |
| 20:57.55 | BCMM_ | probably because the rest of the system would be too sluggish |
| 20:57.57 | GAN900 | "It is still an Intel and Nokia game but we are getting more help" |
| 20:58.04 | GAN900 | Will be fixed if they need to be |
| 20:58.18 | GAN900 | question "What will happen with Sym foundation" |
| 20:58.19 | lcuk | hes just vetoed the veto question :D |
| 20:58.22 | javispedro | hah |
| 20:58.23 | GAN900 | "It's another thing" |
| 20:58.50 | GAN900 | Symbian and MeeGo will both be shipped side by side |
| 20:58.55 | GAN900 | S40, too! |
| 20:58.57 | Texrat | just vetoed lcuk |
| 20:59.02 | GAN900 | Doesn't see that changing anytime soon. |
| 20:59.11 | lcuk | vetoes texrats stage dive |
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| 20:59.28 | Texrat | agrees with lcuk |
| 20:59.39 | GAN900 | Stupid question I don't feel like typing about |
| 20:59.42 | javispedro | yeah |
| 20:59.45 | Texrat | world ends |
| 20:59.47 | nid0 | dumb question |
| 20:59.48 | GAN900 | "I don't really have a stron comment about that" |
| 20:59.51 | GAN900 | Ari agrees |
| 20:59.56 | Mek | BCMM_: ctrl+backspace gets you out of the splash screen... |
| 21:00.01 | GAN900 | question "App deployment" |
| 21:00.07 | GAN900 | Another appstore question |
| 21:00.16 | GAN900 | Individual app stores or global |
| 21:00.41 | GAN900 | "Compliance test hosted by LF to use MeeGo brand" |
| 21:00.49 | GAN900 | App store is different question |
| 21:01.02 | GAN900 | per-manufacturer appstore, it sounds like. |
| 21:01.11 | nid0 | crazy tbh |
| 21:01.21 | GAN900 | "It may change in the future, he doesn't know |
| 21:01.26 | lcuk | time for my app store store |
| 21:01.29 | GAN900 | . and done |
| 21:01.30 | lcuk | who wants an app store? |
| 21:01.50 | GAN900 | Gonna rest my thumbs for the panel and prep for Imad later. |
| 21:01.51 | Khertan | lcuk : we can share one ... |
| 21:02.01 | GAN900 | goes in for thumb surgery. |
| 21:02.05 | Khertan | lcuk : paypal paiement is already working |
| 21:02.07 | lcuk | you want an app store store too? |
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| 21:02.27 | Stskeeps | who's the guy on stage atm? |
| 21:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: incredible! thanks a lot! |
| 21:02.37 | javispedro | Jim Zemlim if the subtitle is to be believed. |
| 21:02.47 | Texrat | taking donations for GAN900 thumb surgery. It will be open sourced |
| 21:02.50 | Myrtti | it is indeed |
| 21:02.56 | Khertan | thx GAN900 |
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| 21:03.01 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 21:03.02 | lcuk | Texrat, hes having meetings with nokia |
| 21:03.08 | GAN900 | No problem! |
| 21:03.15 | GAN900 | Thanks for reading. ;) |
| 21:03.18 | lcuk | they will take the pain away |
| 21:03.22 | GAN900 | lwn recommendation |
| 21:03.22 | javispedro | where do you want the karma trucks? front of the house? |
| 21:03.27 | GAN900 | plugs mwkn.net |
| 21:03.34 | lcuk | :) GAN900 nicely done |
| 21:03.41 | lcuk | you were a secretary in a previous life |
| 21:03.56 | BCMM_ | thumb surgery? |
| 21:03.57 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 21:04.03 | BCMM_ | lost the stylus and need smaller thumbs? |
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| 21:04.25 | Texrat | taking applications for GAN900 thumb surgeon. Must be willing to televise and explain procedure |
| 21:04.28 | GeneralAntilles1 | Wee |
| 21:04.32 | GeneralAntilles1 | Exercise my other fingers now. |
| 21:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | hands 'fastest N900 typer ever" award to GeneralAntilles1 |
| 21:04.46 | GeneralAntilles1 | Guy beside me is staring at my OS X Mini 9 |
| 21:04.57 | *** join/#maemo BCMM (~user@unaffiliated/bcmm) |
| 21:05.23 | n900-dk | Could you guys explain to n00bs like me in few words, what was just going on? |
| 21:05.23 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 21:05.27 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles1, hes staring at your super thumbs |
| 21:05.31 | Texrat | prepares to punish Generalantilles1 for netbook blasphemy |
| 21:05.36 | BCMM_ | gah, it's me! |
| 21:05.36 | BCMM_ | i must've started xchat |
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| 21:05.46 | javispedro | Texrat: bring in some ice for gan's thumbs |
| 21:06.02 | javispedro | i'm pretty sure one of those kernel kernel hackers will be able to do some surgery :) |
| 21:06.29 | Texrat | he's making fun of me for stylus use, but at least my stylus doesn't bitch |
| 21:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | n900-dk: + other 'noobs' - gan900 was livetwittering from a talk |
| 21:06.56 | GeneralAntilles1 | Christ |
| 21:06.58 | GeneralAntilles1 | The freaking stylus |
| 21:07.03 | GeneralAntilles1 | This aint the 770 |
| 21:07.12 | GeneralAntilles1 | tap tap tap |
| 21:07.17 | Texrat | eat me, neighbor |
| 21:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles1: get a beer! |
| 21:07.32 | lcuk | he cant |
| 21:07.33 | javispedro | envisions the scene and jiggles |
| 21:07.39 | lcuk | needs opposable thumbs to hold it |
| 21:07.45 | GeneralAntilles1 | DocScrutinizer: open bar in 4 hours!!! |
| 21:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 21:07.53 | GeneralAntilles1 | jiggles? |
| 21:07.55 | GeneralAntilles1 | Gross. |
| 21:08.16 | n900-dk | guess it wasn't a talk with his mum.. |
| 21:08.58 | Myrtti | pwuh |
| 21:09.18 | GeneralAntilles1 | n900-dk: Ari Jaaksi talking about MeeGo at the Linux Foundation Summit in SF |
| 21:09.53 | Texrat | looks forward to open bar |
| 21:10.49 | javispedro | LG to join the Linux Foundation |
| 21:11.14 | MohammadAG | the foundation is doomed :p |
| 21:11.22 | GAN900 | Damn, red batt |
| 21:11.42 | Proteous | and cute/sad beeping |
| 21:11.59 | Texrat | Nokia needs the competition re LG |
| 21:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: time for the spare :-) |
| 21:12.11 | Myrtti | was there honey at the coffee service? I desperately need something antiseptic for my throat. These cough drops with benzocaine just numb... |
| 21:12.41 | X-Fade | Ugh. "Kernal developer" ;) |
| 21:12.48 | X-Fade | Nice typo |
| 21:13.50 | Texrat | Myrtti I am so sorry I did not recognize you when you chewed me out for being antisocial |
| 21:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | blinking anfrily at his LG TV with the abyssmal firmware |
| 21:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | angrily |
| 21:14.07 | javispedro | James must have looked at GAN's mini 9 too. |
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| 21:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | Texrat: GAN900: pizza service? they deliver beverage as well |
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| 21:15.27 | GeneralAntilles1 | Damn |
| 21:15.32 | GeneralAntilles1 | Closed my netbook while changing batts |
| 21:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | huuh? |
| 21:15.50 | GeneralAntilles1 | Er |
| 21:15.53 | GeneralAntilles1 | N900 batteries |
| 21:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 21:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 21:16.05 | Myrtti | Texrat: it happens at every geek community gettogether. Birds of a Feather happens automatically |
| 21:16.31 | Myrtti | people and their comfort zones, keeping company with people you already know |
| 21:16.31 | GeneralAntilles1 | Bleh, N900 is frozen now |
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| 21:16.49 | javispedro | rsi selfprotection, it's forcing you to rest |
| 21:16.57 | javispedro | nokia cares about us |
| 21:17.10 | Texrat | Myrtti I do want to chat with you though |
| 21:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: lol |
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| 21:17.42 | Texrat | I am not worried about comfort zones ;) |
| 21:17.53 | GeneralAntilles1 | Because he's a creeper |
| 21:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: a whole new class of apps - rsi protection, reaction time tests with car ignition blocking... |
| 21:18.36 | RST38h | yawns and goes to sleep |
| 21:18.39 | Texrat | jabs Generalantilles1 with stylus |
| 21:18.45 | n900-dk | How many of you guys are at the summit in SF? |
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| 21:19.08 | Texrat | all of us |
| 21:19.09 | GeneralAntilles1 | About 8 or 10 |
| 21:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | all, but only virtual ;-) |
| 21:19.17 | javispedro | 3. |
| 21:19.32 | Myrtti | I can lend you my N800 kekekekeke |
| 21:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | thanks to rapid reporter GAN900 |
| 21:20.54 | GeneralAntilles1 | If anybody has any issues they want me to bug people about at the workshop tomorrow. . . . |
| 21:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's been an int or an emoticon? |
| 21:21.14 | javispedro | a lie. |
| 21:21.40 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: naa, we prefer you to keep on ircing everything your eyes see >:) |
| 21:22.00 | GeneralAntilles1 | kernel discussion |
| 21:22.03 | GeneralAntilles1 | To lazy |
| 21:22.05 | GeneralAntilles1 | Too |
| 21:22.15 | Khertan | hihi with oc ? |
| 21:22.33 | javispedro | yeah yeah forget about kernel |
| 21:22.38 | javispedro | rest |
| 21:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles1: anyway keep in mind we by no means want any blobs on meego |
| 21:22.42 | GeneralAntilles1 | It's goddamn hot in here |
| 21:22.47 | GeneralAntilles1 | They need to turn on the AC |
| 21:23.01 | GeneralAntilles1 | Too many overclocked N900s in the room. . . . |
| 21:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | "No Sir, that's not been a cigarette" |
| 21:23.46 | javispedro | clearly, the discussion's very hot |
| 21:23.47 | GeneralAntilles1 | "I'm not ducking work. I'm giving other people an opportunity to come into the community" |
| 21:23.57 | GeneralAntilles1 | rpm vs deb!!!!! |
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| 21:24.14 | Texrat | how can I sit next to generalantilles1 and be in a different weather zone? |
| 21:24.31 | X-Fade | Hey is Jamie there too? |
| 21:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | I am community. You're welcome to join me?! |
| 21:24.51 | GeneralAntilles1 | X-Fade, haven't seen him |
| 21:24.57 | GeneralAntilles1 | Henri is sitting in front of me |
| 21:24.59 | javispedro | if we ever implement a karma donating system, and somebody shoots .deb rules!! out loud I will give him all my tmo posts karma </lie> |
| 21:25.03 | GeneralAntilles1 | Myrtti's a few rows back |
| 21:25.06 | X-Fade | Thought I spotted him in the audience. |
| 21:25.09 | GeneralAntilles1 | dneary is floating around somewhere |
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| 21:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | rulez! |
| 21:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | with capital Z |
| 21:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 21:26.54 | Texrat | someone said rpm? drink! |
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| 21:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like 'Life of Brian' |
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| 21:28.35 | javispedro | where to bang in the kernel with a hammer is $999 |
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| 21:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | considers to do some 'real work' and prepare a paper for stskeeps |
| 21:29.58 | Texrat | we old farts have value!!!!! |
| 21:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | anyway something's wrong with my workplace ergonomy. Foot soles shouldn't be higher than keyboard |
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| 21:33.07 | n900-dk | Sounds like a perfect workplace :) |
| 21:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I could licence this to Guantanamo |
| 21:34.40 | javispedro | aha, he must be a university professor |
| 21:34.54 | BCMM_ | anybody know what the other applet in this screenshots is? http://maemocentral.com/2009/12/15/how-to-turn-your-n900-into-a-flashlight/ |
| 21:35.03 | X-Fade | Yeah, typical ;) |
| 21:35.33 | BCMM_ | or indeed if there is a GUI way to take photos from the front webcam? |
| 21:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: which one? |
| 21:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | other applet? |
| 21:36.13 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: the first |
| 21:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | there are several |
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| 21:37.03 | BCMM_ | the one above flashlight in the first screenshot |
| 21:37.14 | BCMM_ | with a picture of a camera and a webcam |
| 21:37.29 | BCMM_ | was wondering if they represented the two cameras in the n900 |
| 21:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | the two small ones are from load applet and create screenshot (right) and allegedly screen stream or sth |
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| 21:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | no cams, both a different flavours of screenshot utilities |
| 21:38.49 | javispedro | he just told him to go fix it himself :) |
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| 21:39.06 | Texrat | n900 battery at 50%... time to leave internet |
| 21:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | webcam never worked for me. screenshot became obsolete with ctrl-p |
| 21:39.29 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: ah; thanks |
| 21:39.45 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 21:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: ""webcam"" which is actually supposed to create a videoclip of your screen in action |
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| 21:41.17 | solrize | n900's have suddenly gotten more expensive :( |
| 21:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | and in fact it creates a video file somewhere, alas it's always been empty or black for me |
| 21:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | solrize: WHAT?? |
| 21:41.59 | GeneralAntilles1 | clapping for Android |
| 21:41.59 | GeneralAntilles1 | booo |
| 21:42.12 | solrize | doc, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205178 |
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| 21:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles1: please invite them here, so I can kickban them ;-P |
| 21:42.43 | javispedro | do it loudly, preferably |
| 21:43.19 | solrize | i think they were almost $100 lower a few weeks ago |
| 21:43.39 | javispedro | they promised us some kernel developers would talk. who are all those kernal [sic] developers? |
| 21:43.52 | GeneralAntilles1 | James Bottomley, Novell |
| 21:43.57 | GeneralAntilles1 | Jon Corbet, LWN.net |
| 21:44.00 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: no need |
| 21:44.01 | GeneralAntilles1 | Christoph Hellwig |
| 21:44.06 | solrize | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49400 hmm, looks like there was a shortage |
| 21:44.06 | javispedro | just joking about the subtitles |
| 21:44.09 | GeneralAntilles1 | Ah |
| 21:44.10 | GeneralAntilles1 | OK |
| 21:44.12 | javispedro | which actually say "Kernal" :) |
| 21:44.18 | GeneralAntilles1 | is tired and helpful! ;) |
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| 21:44.25 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: relax those fingers! |
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| 21:44.50 | javispedro | lol. |
| 21:44.58 | GAN800 | Wee, purty cloak |
| 21:45.21 | X-Fade | Hehe :) |
| 21:45.40 | GAN800 | Only about 2 years later! |
| 21:45.54 | X-Fade | GAN800: Ssssssh! |
| 21:46.06 | X-Fade | Some people do real work, you know :) |
| 21:46.07 | solrize | "I ordered one from Dell USA s they lowered the price to 440USD+tax . I thought Nokia may release an upgrade for N900 on the 13thApril." (from that thread) |
| 21:46.11 | Myrtti | juice box time |
| 21:46.16 | GAN800 | X-Fade, who, Freenode? |
| 21:46.18 | GAN800 | :P |
| 21:46.22 | javispedro | hah, GAN wasn't clapping! |
| 21:46.24 | MohammadAG | GAN = General Antilles, wow, that took me time |
| 21:46.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | heh GAN800 |
| 21:46.40 | solrize | so, symbian is open source now, right? does that mean if i get an e63, i can program it? |
| 21:46.41 | MohammadAG | (a lot of it XD) |
| 21:46.45 | GAN800 | javispedro: kernel sucks! |
| 21:47.03 | GAN800 | solrize: no |
| 21:47.05 | MohammadAG | solrize, there are custom ROMs, but it's not the open source symbian on the E63 |
| 21:47.11 | solrize | ic, thanks |
| 21:47.16 | MohammadAG | which is Symbian^3 |
| 21:47.21 | solrize | there are very cheap e63's on newegg now |
| 21:47.21 | GAN800 | Imad is up |
| 21:47.29 | solrize | seems like a generally nice phone |
| 21:48.47 | javispedro | ok. LOL. |
| 21:49.23 | javispedro | Apple should hire the guys who writes the titles |
| 21:50.00 | Myrtti | uhoh. |
| 21:50.23 | GAN800 | Chart showing company kernel contribution by version |
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| 21:50.40 | GAN800 | Nokia is #5 |
| 21:50.42 | GAN800 | Intel is #2 |
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| 21:51.08 | GAN800 | Big Oracle spike at 2.6.29 |
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| 21:51.59 | GAN800 | Works takes place upstream yadda yadda yadda |
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| 21:54.12 | javispedro | meego! |
| 21:54.46 | javispedro | MeeGo, the best of Mobling and Maemo, fully open source software platform, Common set of APIs across devices |
| 21:55.04 | ptl | ditching deb for rpm,... |
| 21:55.04 | GAN800 | If you want a transcript of this talk, refer to my notes from Ari's talk earlier. |
| 21:55.10 | javispedro | er.... Moblin :) |
| 21:57.15 | Myrtti | er. what are these people in a row before me doing? they're rocking themselves back and forth... |
| 21:57.25 | Myrtti | it's not *THAT* boring talk! |
| 21:57.32 | GAN800 | lol |
| 21:57.36 | SpeedEvil | fa |
| 21:57.39 | SpeedEvil | typing |
| 21:57.55 | Myrtti | (also using Windows XP, IE6 and Outlook) |
| 21:58.11 | GAN800 | Myrtti: hit them. |
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| 22:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | now for real F**K-YOU - how would I cancel a LF registration? |
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| 22:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | Qty 1, Item: livestream - 0$, place in cart and fill form about maiden name of your grandma |
| 22:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart videostreaming webmaster of LF |
| 22:02.49 | infobot | says "boot to the head" and knocks videostreaming webmaster of LF over |
| 22:03.23 | GAN800 | Fast Boot â how to make x86 not suck so much for mobile use |
| 22:03.57 | javispedro | what has x86 do with boot time? :) |
| 22:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | not that much |
| 22:04.36 | javispedro | yeah, ms-dos boots in, like, a nanosecond. |
| 22:04.38 | GAN800 | javispedro: well, setting aside Maemo 5's crippling fail with long uptimes, x86 needs fast bootin/shutdown to save power. :P |
| 22:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | and x86 sucks on mobile use no matter what |
| 22:04.57 | GAN800 | Well, that |
| 22:05.04 | GAN800 | Forgot the sarcasm tags. ;) |
| 22:05.24 | javispedro | touché. |
| 22:05.50 | GAN800 | They dropped 10 from the version |
| 22:06.34 | ShadowJK | wonders how fast swap to local nbd server deadlocks :D |
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| 22:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | GAN800: what's been your internet while twittering? wlan? 3G? |
| 22:08.13 | GAN800 | WLAN |
| 22:08.23 | GAN800 | +1 second ping time |
| 22:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 22:08.32 | GAN800 | lol |
| 22:08.34 | GAN800 | good question |
| 22:08.39 | GAN800 | Here comes the brand fscking confusion |
| 22:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | wondered how you'd manage to type the '2nd' line in less than 1sec |
| 22:09.12 | X-Fade | Who is that guy? |
| 22:09.19 | GAN800 | No idea |
| 22:09.24 | GAN800 | I'm all the way across the room |
| 22:09.30 | X-Fade | He knows his stuff at least ;) |
| 22:09.34 | ShadowJK | is this recorded for later viewing? |
| 22:09.38 | GAN800 | (front left, 4th row, middle) |
| 22:09.41 | GAN800 | ShadowJK: was last year |
| 22:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | GAN800: so make that more like 5..10sec ping worst case |
| 22:10.24 | javispedro | hah |
| 22:10.26 | javispedro | I love that g uy |
| 22:10.32 | ShadowJK | is happy his operator fixed 2g, now I can probably stream music all night :D |
| 22:10.44 | javispedro | poke him so that he asks about .deb |
| 22:10.52 | GAN800 | Haha |
| 22:10.54 | nid0 | why're they fixating on skype and flash instead of just saying "gsm drivers will stay closed" |
| 22:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: hooray |
| 22:11.04 | GAN800 | nid0: because they wont? |
| 22:11.07 | GAN800 | See oFono |
| 22:11.10 | GAN800 | Well, sort of |
| 22:11.26 | X-Fade | ofono still needs the closed drivers :) |
| 22:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | gsm stack will keep closed for a loooong time |
| 22:11.58 | ShadowJK | 128kbit AAC fits nicely in EDGE :) |
| 22:12.40 | javispedro | yes, he should have ran out of the room |
| 22:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be happy with a full fledged 3GPP AT interface though |
| 22:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | pnatd is kinda crappy wrt that |
| 22:14.28 | X-Fade | Ok, time to go to sleep. Long day. |
| 22:14.42 | javispedro | yeah, gnite. |
| 22:14.42 | X-Fade | I'll see the fallout tomorrow ;) |
| 22:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | n8 X-Fade |
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| 22:15.46 | SpeedEvil | First rule of fallout - run at 90 degrees to wind direction. |
| 22:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 22:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | pondering that advice |
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| 22:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | seems like running away under the rain |
| 22:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | well maybe with a car, and sufficient distance to ground zero |
| 22:19.07 | BCMM_ | where on earth is "Video clips" on the real filesystem? |
| 22:19.28 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | in some friggin hidden directory |
| 22:19.45 | BCMM_ | (i've made a nice little video, 10x10 white pixels by one frame, and left it there) |
| 22:19.53 | BCMM_ | (going to replace the hands bootup video) |
| 22:20.03 | BCMM_ | mine has no sound... |
| 22:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | oooooh |
| 22:20.24 | BCMM_ | thanks, didn't think of hidden directories |
| 22:20.30 | SpeedEvil | Well - some videos take quite little cpu to play |
| 22:20.40 | BCMM_ | unless of course there is some "start up silently" option somewhere |
| 22:20.41 | SpeedEvil | So there may be almost no effect on boottime of doing that |
| 22:21.02 | BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: it's the noisemaking that bothers me |
| 22:21.03 | SpeedEvil | the video is kicked off in /etc/* |
| 22:21.07 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:21.19 | BCMM_ | well, bootup is almost all diskbound on machines with disks |
| 22:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of people attribute all kinds of negative notions to this particular video |
| 22:21.36 | BCMM_ | maybe with a 600mhz processor and an SSD that isn't so |
| 22:21.57 | SpeedEvil | BCMM_: quite fast disk - it goes at 13M/s read or so |
| 22:22.02 | BCMM_ | i don't mind it, i just don't want it making any noises till i've had a chance to mute it |
| 22:22.29 | BCMM_ | so the machine definitely isn't waiting for the video then? |
| 22:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | nope, probably not |
| 22:22.52 | BCMM_ | i presumed not |
| 22:22.55 | BCMM_ | hmm |
| 22:22.57 | n900-dk | BCMM_: you can disable the video |
| 22:23.03 | BCMM_ | n900-dk: how? |
| 22:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless it's taking up time to setup the DSP for playback, and it's ugly and eats battery XP |
| 22:23.34 | BCMM_ | at some point i might make a copy of the hands video and strip out the sound |
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| 22:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | make a 'DONT PANIC' video :-D |
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| 22:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | in big friendly letters |
| 22:24.54 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: that is a very brilliant idea |
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| 22:25.15 | BCMM_ | i wonder if there is a lower frame-rate limit on that video |
| 22:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | I know ;-P They appreciated it for OM Freerunner |
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| 22:25.47 | BCMM_ | or whether i could just have a tiny video consisting of two identical "don't panic" frames at 0.2fps |
| 22:25.57 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: eh? |
| 22:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash/dont-panic.splash |
| 22:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | occasionally I recycle my own ideas XP |
| 22:28.37 | n900-dk | BCMM_: The app Powatool will do it for you |
| 22:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash/readme |
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| 22:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: (framerate) anyway for a static content the diff-frames are next to 0, so framerate doesn't matter so much |
| 22:37.05 | BCMM_ | hmm just ned to make it landscape |
| 22:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | heh, evacuate Finland, Volacno attack ;-P |
| 22:37.14 | BCMM_ | how did you do that glowing effect? |
| 22:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | the artwork has been done by dos1 |
| 22:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | /join #openmoko-cdevel and ping him |
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| 22:38.12 | BCMM_ | hmm |
| 22:38.21 | BCMM_ | i'm trying to find a scan of the book cover |
| 22:38.33 | BCMM_ | i'm sure there was an edition that actually had big friendly letters |
| 22:38.39 | BCMM_ | maybe on the back |
| 22:38.54 | BCMM_ | i don't know which book |
| 22:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | actually the png is much better than the book cover (YMMV) |
| 22:39.33 | BCMM_ | the one i'm thinking of had kinda rounded multicoloured ones i think |
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| 22:41.55 | BCMM_ | what is the n900 screen res again? |
| 22:42.52 | till- | 800x480 |
| 22:43.35 | lbt | what's that calendar/PIM suite for Maemo called? |
| 22:44.14 | lbt | nm GPE... |
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| 22:49.55 | ptl | BCMM_: 800x480, 16 bits color depth |
| 22:49.56 | Myrtti | I wouldn't mind if they'd kill the music, it is so much harder to overhear interesting discussions now |
| 22:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUwlSwifHw&feature=related 0:45 .. 1:50!! |
| 22:51.57 | Myrtti | I have a feeling I've seen this talk before |
| 22:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: HTH. :-) Don't forget to give proper credit (to me for the idea ;-P) |
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| 23:00.48 | odin_ | Hmm OVI store app on E72 is really broken for me, we thought Maemo was bad but |
| 23:01.56 | ShadowJK | :) |
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| 23:02.50 | jd4200 | Am I able to change the user name (on my n900) so when I load x-term it does something other than user (any harm in doing so?) |
| 23:02.57 | jd4200 | **shows |
| 23:03.21 | odin_ | yeah maybe thats somethign to lodge a "personalization" process of renaming the "user" account |
| 23:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | noooo dont!! |
| 23:03.37 | odin_ | but sure you can setup another user, but I don't think renaming it would be wise |
| 23:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | user is hardcoded to several apps |
| 23:03.58 | odin_ | several "broken" apps ! |
| 23:04.06 | jd4200 | DocScrutinizer: Ah, that could be why my N900 failed to boot and I had to do a reflash |
| 23:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | the right way would be to 'adduser', the 'su -l newusername' |
| 23:04.30 | odin_ | well adduser is not good either |
| 23:04.34 | jd4200 | How about changing the root password, anyharm in doing so with that? |
| 23:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | no, perfectly safe |
| 23:04.54 | odin_ | it should be an advanced personalization matter |
| 23:05.55 | odin_ | if apps want to hardcode something, then sure hardcode the userid number and do a lookup |
| 23:06.04 | GAN900 | I could watch that air traffic animation all day. |
| 23:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | odin_: yesyesyes |
| 23:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | tell to Nokia |
| 23:06.25 | Myrtti | me too |
| 23:06.29 | SpeedEvil | I want multiple accounts too. |
| 23:06.43 | MohammadAG | I only want root (muhahahaha) |
| 23:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | I want xdm |
| 23:07.01 | SpeedEvil | So I can give a friend my n900 to play games on without them seeing my plans for world dominoation. |
| 23:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 23:07.58 | jd4200 | One other thing, is there a way for when I load x-term is uses bash as the shell? (I miss my .bashrc :( ) |
| 23:08.07 | MohammadAG | hates how wildcards don't work with killall |
| 23:08.11 | MohammadAG | I wanted to killall * |
| 23:08.14 | SpeedEvil | kill 1 |
| 23:08.19 | SpeedEvil | kill -9 1 |
| 23:08.20 | odin_ | yeah... like profiles for different times of day.... one profile for when you are with the mistress... and another for the wife.... |
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| 23:08.57 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.02 | MohammadAG | likes that |
| 23:09.12 | odin_ | complete with their own galleries/contact-lists etc... |
| 23:09.15 | MohammadAG | it doesn't die lol |
| 23:09.26 | odin_ | infact useful for when you have two wives.... |
| 23:09.54 | MohammadAG | odin_, or three! |
| 23:10.10 | odin_ | why yes... you have a whole 32bit user-id space to work through ! |
| 23:11.05 | SpeedEvil | That's about to fail soon. |
| 23:11.13 | SpeedEvil | More than 4 billion females on planet. |
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| 23:18.01 | radic_ | someone the woh wahnt the endsieg |
| 23:18.02 | radic_ | ? |
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| 23:19.44 | odin_ | OVI store is a joke |
| 23:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf, I fail to find sizeof(uid_t) |
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| 23:20.42 | odin_ | its taken me 5 goes to get E72 logged in I browse, pick something, them asked to login again to download |
| 23:20.46 | odin_ | now it doesn't accept my details |
| 23:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | regarding the fact even process ID is 0..2^15 |
| 23:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | i dont think uid has a 32bit |
| 23:21.28 | odin_ | the nagivation is all wonky, the text input cursor does not follow the highlighted focus part |
| 23:21.37 | odin_ | yes there are 32bit UIDs |
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| 23:23.00 | GAN900 | Preventing community |
| 23:23.04 | GAN900 | load the stream! |
| 23:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 23:23.23 | GAN900 | good talk |
| 23:23.27 | odin_ | maybe not veyr relevant to Maemo but Kernel has CONFIG_UID16 option to disable 32bit UIDs |
| 23:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | odin_: I'd be surprised this isn't set for maemo |
| 23:24.42 | Treibholz | yeah! I just imported the first calendars via CalDAV! :-) |
| 23:24.53 | odin_ | even 64bit IA32 Fedora has 16bit UIDs, its just an option that is possible with Linux |
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| 23:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | so what's been wrong with >>[2010-04-15 01:21:14] <DocScrutinizer> i dont think uid has a 32bit<< then? |
| 23:25.46 | GAN900 | community growth causes global warming |
| 23:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | fine! much too frosty here |
| 23:26.23 | odin_ | well 32bit is the maximum, if you want 32bit UIDs you just recompile |
| 23:26.48 | odin_ | (the kernel) all the userspace syscalls are already 32bit wide, that pain is over |
| 23:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | so what? I never said I want 32bit UID |
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| 23:27.45 | odin_ | no you claimed "i dont think uid has a 32bit" and that is untrue.... "yes it is POSSIBLE to have a 32bit uid" its more a configuration preference than anything major |
| 23:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | my point was more like "you can't have users for >32k women on N900" |
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| 23:28.18 | odin_ | I never commented on the matter of "what you want" or "your needs" just on your claim |
| 23:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you make me wonder if I'm starting to brainfail, or it's just you |
| 23:29.08 | odin_ | takes a look at N900 p0rn collection .... |
| 23:29.16 | odin_ | thinks there are more than 32k women there.... |
| 23:29.18 | odin_ | scratches head |
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| 23:30.24 | odin_ | hopes for 48Gb of eMMC in the next one ... grins |
| 23:30.58 | SpeedEvil | hopes for 0GB of eMMC in the next one. |
| 23:31.09 | SpeedEvil | (and a second SD slot) |
| 23:31.51 | odin_ | yeah I'd be all for all storage to be replaceable like that scheme, but I'm not for using OneNAND as rootfs |
| 23:32.10 | odin_ | OneNAND for journal/2nd-level-buffer-cache with rootfs on MMC |
| 23:33.42 | odin_ | also swap-cache, make it a storage/IO resource and find a way to make it take all the write hit and provide faster reads for the data you really want to get at fast, but not for tiny rootfs brokeness |
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| 23:34.45 | zash | a generetic copy-on-read fs! |
| 23:34.58 | odin_ | there is nothing wrong with have block from MMC copied/shadowed into OneNAND for faster access, having the MMC filesystem journal entirely on OneNAND, interfacing the swap file with OneNAND |
| 23:35.37 | odin_ | well it also has a high-write-counter property doesn't it ? |
| 23:36.02 | Arkenoi | hopes widgets will stop crashing alltogether with PR1.2 |
| 23:36.18 | odin_ | so thats good for swap and EXT3 journal, there is no need for the EXT3 journal to sync every 30 seconds it can do it one an hour on an idle device, in that time you can eat all the writes |
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| 23:36.46 | Arkenoi | the most annoying thing with the crash is that crashed state get saved and you cannot get it all back with simple reboot |
| 23:37.13 | odin_ | yeah I've had some widget oddness before now |
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| 23:37.40 | odin_ | also when you reboot the X11 display should contain a shuting down progress indicator and it should kill the widgets and apps before the X11 server |
| 23:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: it's highly unlikely though that widget crash is related to OS version directly |
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| 23:39.10 | Arkenoi | well, maybe not OS version but desktop gets updated as well |
| 23:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | a crashing widget is a process with a bug. That bug won't probably be fixed after a mere PR1.2 update |
| 23:40.03 | MohammadAG | widget crashes happen here too |
| 23:40.07 | MohammadAG | but not very often |
| 23:40.15 | MohammadAG | maybe once every two months |
| 23:40.35 | MohammadAG | or twice every four months :P |
| 23:40.37 | odin_ | yep OVI store wont let me download jack, even through I can sign-in |
| 23:41.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, kick yourself, you said PR1.2 :P |
| 23:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | to fix a ceashing widget you prolly want to update the widget, not the OS or display manager |
| 23:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you'd actually break my expectations when not uttering this comment ;-) |
| 23:42.25 | Arkenoi | crash takes them away by bunches, not by one |
| 23:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | or short: I knew you'd say that |
| 23:42.45 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 23:43.08 | MohammadAG | does a /cs op :P |
| 23:43.15 | MohammadAG | like it works anyways :p |
| 23:43.37 | Arkenoi | say, after a crash i see that some widgets are vanished: conversation inbox, foreca weather, recorder, ussd, command execution and dataplan monitor. media player and calendar may remain meanwhile. |
| 23:44.04 | MohammadAG | everything about the new macbook pros is excellent... except... |
| 23:44.05 | MohammadAG | $2,199. |
| 23:44.46 | Treibholz | MohammadAG: and the Operating-System. |
| 23:44.59 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 23:45.25 | MohammadAG | I think we can all say Windows and Mac OS X suck :) |
| 23:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: so if you actually knew the sequence all the widgets are processed in one thread, you could spot the one that blew chunks and spoiled it for the remaining widgets |
| 23:45.59 | Treibholz | MohammadAG: Linux sucks too, it just sucks less. |
| 23:46.14 | MohammadAG | Treibholz, err.. |
| 23:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: it's either the last one that made it on the screen, or the first one missing |
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| 23:47.22 | Arkenoi | well, how can i know the order? |
| 23:47.28 | godrik | MohammadAG ++ |
| 23:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, good question |
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| 23:48.03 | Arkenoi | does not like Apple LCD displays |
| 23:48.07 | Arkenoi | low DPI |
| 23:48.53 | Arkenoi | and touchpads |
| 23:49.16 | Arkenoi | actually i do not like touchpads at all, ibm/hp clitoris is much better |
| 23:49.35 | MohammadAG | err |
| 23:49.39 | MohammadAG | you sure about that word? |
| 23:49.47 | godrik | Arkenoi: I agree, clitoris are great! |
| 23:50.08 | Arkenoi | well, it is officially named differently but i forgot the word |
| 23:50.12 | Arkenoi | touch-something |
| 23:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | cackles |
| 23:50.18 | Arkenoi | or track-something |
| 23:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | G-point |
| 23:50.45 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 23:51.27 | MohammadAG | wonders what google would call a hotspot service, if they made one |
| 23:51.30 | godrik | Well, it's actually next to G on most keyboards |
| 23:51.44 | MohammadAG | that thing sucks |
| 23:52.14 | MohammadAG | I have 3 input devices alread |
| 23:52.15 | MohammadAG | y |
| 23:52.25 | MohammadAG | a G point would just make them 4 |
| 23:52.27 | Arkenoi | well, the screen issue does matter more for me. i want decent resolution and dpi, which means 1900x1200 for 15" |
| 23:52.51 | MohammadAG | my screen is 1024x768 |
| 23:52.53 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 23:53.09 | satmd | would call his gf a 'device' |
| 23:53.13 | satmd | +not |
| 23:53.27 | Arkenoi | lol |
| 23:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | some blog about fitt's outlaw called trackpoint a torture instrument |
| 23:53.44 | godrik | satmd: depend whether she is robotic or not :) |
| 23:54.02 | satmd | doesn't even call his bot chii like that |
| 23:54.18 | MohammadAG | wants an N810 |
| 23:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | bots are frequently female it seems |
| 23:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~ignore DocScrutinizer-8 |
| 23:55.16 | infobot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, DocScrutinizer-8!" |
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| 23:57.14 | satmd | and they include an off button |
| 23:57.21 | satmd | usually |
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