| 00:00.18 | ptl_demands_PR12 | "but linux"? A closed-down linux system? |
| 00:00.35 | javispedro | custom ui |
| 00:00.40 | javispedro | flash based |
| 00:00.45 | b-man|laptop | well, if it's linux, you can always install something else :) |
| 00:02.04 | ptl_demands_PR12 | hmm |
| 00:02.05 | b-man|laptop | it's kinda creative that it's flash-based, admiringly |
| 00:02.14 | b-man|laptop | **admittingly |
| 00:02.17 | b-man|laptop | gah |
| 00:02.34 | b-man|laptop | needs coffee xD |
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| 00:02.40 | ptl_demands_PR12 | maybe I could use my old HTC Athena - picture at http://images.wmexperts.com/articleimages/2007/_/_media_2007_03_htc-advantage-us.jpg - for such a calendar. nevertheless, based on two reviews I've just read, I didn't find this joggler very useful. |
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| 00:03.13 | javispedro | well, my m130 is starting to .. uh, get old as wall pda :) |
| 00:03.33 | javispedro | screen is pretty dim, touch screen is pretty unsensitive, and battery lasts four or five seconds |
| 00:04.26 | b-man|laptop | wonders why NetBSD refuses to properly support newer arm architectures |
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| 00:12.15 | zappa | @fqhy http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/04/qt-on-maemo-warning.html |
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| 00:15.38 | crashanddie | b-man|laptop: because BSD is going the way of the dodo |
| 00:16.24 | b-man|laptop | lol |
| 00:16.48 | zappa | bsd is being used in other good things like the haiku os |
| 00:17.02 | tgalal | ok app has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository, how long does this usually take? |
| 00:17.04 | crashanddie | I thought you said good things? |
| 00:17.08 | zappa | heh |
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| 00:39.27 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
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| 00:56.16 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 00:56.29 | crashanddie | 53 reports about the fake pr1.2 release |
| 00:57.05 | b-man|laptop | rofl |
| 00:57.35 | lcuk | crashanddie, which part was fake |
| 00:58.16 | crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=598720#post598720 |
| 00:58.40 | MohammadAG | remembers he reported that |
| 00:58.42 | crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=598795#post598795 |
| 00:59.19 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, why don't you delete those? |
| 00:59.22 | MohammadAG | instead of locking |
| 00:59.34 | crashanddie | because, we're not allowed to delete anymore |
| 00:59.43 | crashanddie | anyway, I resigned from my moderator position |
| 00:59.45 | MohammadAG | because apple does it? |
| 00:59.51 | MohammadAG | lol why? |
| 01:00.02 | crashanddie | Too much drama, can't be bothered anymore |
| 01:00.26 | MohammadAG | how many mods does the site have again? |
| 01:00.38 | crashanddie | Some wanker tells people to use extras-devel to absolute noobs, I delete the message, and the guy goes to the council because I'm abusive |
| 01:00.53 | MohammadAG | o.O |
| 01:01.22 | crashanddie | If I don't delete the message, we get 1 report per half hour for the next 2 days |
| 01:01.29 | crashanddie | If I do delete it, I get shit |
| 01:01.36 | crashanddie | If I edit it, I get shit |
| 01:01.37 | MohammadAG | so you're losing either way :/ |
| 01:01.45 | crashanddie | If I warn the guy, I get shit |
| 01:02.02 | crashanddie | If I give him an infraction, I get shit for being abusive, and power-hungry |
| 01:02.10 | MohammadAG | that just sucks |
| 01:02.14 | lcuk | moderation - do not delete - just wipe things below the threshhold of normal users |
| 01:02.43 | corecode | honestly, i think the maemo community is too conservative |
| 01:02.46 | crashanddie | If we move threads around, some people start threads saying that we're abusive, elitist, and shaping the forum in a way only us want to see it |
| 01:02.54 | lcuk | we managed 18pages of potential porn |
| 01:02.56 | corecode | so what, some guy uses the devel repo |
| 01:03.01 | corecode | big deal |
| 01:03.06 | crashanddie | if we don't move them around, we have people complaining that the moderators don't do anything |
| 01:03.23 | MohammadAG | ban those who you think are wrong |
| 01:03.26 | MohammadAG | problem solved |
| 01:03.27 | crashanddie | corecode: so a guy who doesn't even understand how to use skype on his N900 should be using bleeding edge apps? |
| 01:03.34 | corecode | why not? |
| 01:03.36 | corecode | his phone |
| 01:03.37 | MohammadAG | he shouldn't have an N900 |
| 01:03.45 | corecode | no offense, but tmo sucks |
| 01:03.48 | lcuk | why not? |
| 01:03.49 | crashanddie | corecode: because we'll get 10 times the amount of crap once he breaks it? |
| 01:03.52 | corecode | and i don't think it is the moderators |
| 01:03.58 | Ken-Young | crashanddie, Why don't you just do what you think is appropriate, and if the complaints get you removed as a moderator, so be it? |
| 01:03.58 | lcuk | we should be embracing users |
| 01:03.58 | corecode | it is the users |
| 01:04.05 | lcuk | well, not literally |
| 01:04.08 | corecode | every user wants to say something |
| 01:04.19 | crashanddie | Ken-Young: because I have better things to do in life than get yelled at when I'm trying to help? |
| 01:04.25 | MohammadAG | and I thought the site I mod was crap... |
| 01:04.41 | corecode | i can't use tmo |
| 01:04.44 | MohammadAG | never had any mod issues except one or two who'd PM stuff when you give them an infraction |
| 01:04.44 | crashanddie | lcuk: depends which ones, I don't mind embracing female users |
| 01:05.00 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:05.26 | lcuk | be careful, some of those you call female have lunchboxes |
| 01:05.49 | crashanddie | lcuk: I really made an effort on the type of comments I made on tmo ever since I became a mod |
| 01:05.55 | tgalal | how long does it take for a package to appear in extra-devel ? |
| 01:06.28 | Ken-Young | tgalal, If it builds properly, it's almost instantaneous. |
| 01:07.11 | MohammadAG | takes 30 minutes here |
| 01:07.17 | MohammadAG | it's instant when I upload the old version with a new number (just to make me look like an idiot) |
| 01:07.43 | tgalal | it's been an hour, and the build logs show OK |
| 01:08.10 | lcuk | tgalal, this delay gets me everytime i submit to builder |
| 01:08.15 | Ken-Young | tgalal, What's the package name? |
| 01:08.18 | lcuk | because i have to also wait - and it feels like months |
| 01:08.41 | Ken-Young | I've never seen a significant delay. |
| 01:09.00 | tgalal | Ken-Young, retroconv |
| 01:09.04 | lcuk | Ken-Young, i usually upload a library, then apps using that library |
| 01:09.10 | lcuk | they cant go in at same time |
| 01:09.13 | lcuk | its an eternity |
| 01:09.50 | MohammadAG | (if you time it, it's actually less than an hour, but it feels longer :P) |
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| 01:12.09 | tgalal | maybe I screw something up in packaging |
| 01:12.23 | tgalal | I've trying to get it right for like 5 hours |
| 01:13.18 | MohammadAG | tgalal, if it says OK just wait |
| 01:13.51 | Ken-Young | tgalal, There is a warning with your package build. It says the package does not have a proper description. |
| 01:13.59 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/retroconv/0.5.0-1/ |
| 01:14.11 | lcuk | tgalal, to extend what ken just said ^ |
| 01:14.16 | lcuk | read the package page |
| 01:14.55 | lcuk | i wonder, are these faults reported in the cauldron build log sent to email? |
| 01:15.08 | tgalal | Ken-Young, what should a proper description look like |
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| 01:15.43 | lcuk | tgalal, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging |
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| 01:16.32 | tgalal | lcuk, aghh not another guide ! lol |
| 01:16.33 | Ken-Young | tgalal, Do you have a Decription field in your control file?" |
| 01:16.48 | Ken-Young | Description |
| 01:17.03 | tgalal | Ken-Young, yes I do |
| 01:17.53 | crashanddie | I feel like I'm commiting incest |
| 01:18.01 | crashanddie | I'm using grep on Windows. |
| 01:18.06 | Ken-Young | Can you show us (pastebin or something)? |
| 01:18.14 | tgalal | the description is also shown when I try to open with gdebi on ubuntu |
| 01:18.18 | tgalal | ok 1 sec |
| 01:18.29 | crashanddie | Ken-Young: grep " 18:2" iasp-server.2010-03-31.log >> result.log |
| 01:19.08 | Ken-Young | Sorry, crashanddie - I was responding to tgalal , but didn't tag my response. |
| 01:19.26 | crashanddie | Ken-Young: I know, I was being thick on purpose |
| 01:20.04 | tgalal | Ken-Young, http://pastebin.com/vGeFRqFy |
| 01:20.57 | tgalal | follows this the XB-Maemo-Icon-26: section |
| 01:21.24 | Ken-Young | tgalal, Is line 12 all one long line? |
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| 01:21.36 | tgalal | yes |
| 01:22.43 | Ken-Young | tgalal, I don't know if this is the problem, but it may not like the long line. In my package, I have broken the long description into several separate lines. Each of them must start with a space. |
| 01:23.14 | tgalal | Ken-Young, I'll give it a shot, thanks |
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| 01:37.42 | GAN900 | Hooboy |
| 01:37.49 | GAN900 | Gotta love Talk |
| 01:38.33 | GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=600274&postcount=43 |
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| 02:02.31 | ea_suter | howdy |
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| 02:03.24 | corecode | is there something better than the backup app? |
| 02:03.43 | corecode | something to save my ~ off-device? |
| 02:03.49 | timeless_mbp | rsync? |
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| 02:05.14 | corecode | yea, sure |
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| 02:05.33 | corecode | something nicely packaged, only running when i am on certain wifi networks |
| 02:05.35 | corecode | etc. |
| 02:05.50 | corecode | maybe only with wifi and battery plugged in |
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| 02:15.58 | ea_suter | I have a question about GSOC application: if I'de like to apply to work on an idea in the list (or a bunch of them), do I write up my own application and send it to you or do you guys have a template? |
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| 02:22.12 | Ken-Young | ea_suter, There's usually more activity on this channel during the evening hours in Europe. |
| 02:22.21 | ea_suter | right... |
| 02:22.33 | ea_suter | thanks anyhow |
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| 02:28.30 | crashanddie | ea_suter: contact VDVvx |
| 02:28.37 | crashanddie | VDVsx, sorry |
| 02:28.50 | crashanddie | ea_suter: drop him an email, he should be quite responsive from 10AM GMT |
| 02:30.02 | crashanddie | corecode: no app like that, but I'm sure it would have a lot of success. Might even plug-in to the export framewokr |
| 02:30.28 | ea_suter | I did |
| 02:30.53 | ea_suter | but he didn't mention any specifics about applying |
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| 02:31.18 | ea_suter | I guess that if I send him my application it should be alright? |
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| 02:36.46 | crashanddie | ea_suter: did you check the wiki pages? |
| 02:36.52 | crashanddie | ea_suter: the application process is listed there |
| 02:40.26 | ea_suter | ok, thanks |
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| 03:29.34 | godrik | I would like to run some code frequently on my N810 and only when I have an internet access |
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| 03:30.08 | godrik | On a classical linux, I would use cron, but I though there was something better on maemo |
| 03:30.11 | godrik | any comments ? |
| 03:30.38 | Lateralus | godrik: "better"? Is there something you need to do which cron does not allow? |
| 03:31.06 | godrik | well, typically, i don't want to do anything if I don't have an internet access |
| 03:31.23 | godrik | I could just test that at the beginning of my script |
| 03:31.44 | godrik | but I though there might be a system that would run the script as soon as an internet connexion appear in that case |
| 03:32.10 | godrik | omweather does something like that for instance. |
| 03:33.17 | godrik | and I don't recall seeing cron or at by defaut on my n810 |
| 03:34.23 | Lateralus | godrik: may be something you can pull off with dbus in this regard |
| 03:36.44 | godrik | mmm, Iam going to have a look at that |
| 03:36.48 | godrik | thank you |
| 03:37.09 | godrik | did someone ported wget or curl ? |
| 03:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | on maemo5 there's alarmed app |
| 03:39.46 | Ken-Young | godrik, wget is there, if you're talking about Maemo 5. |
| 03:39.59 | godrik | nop, I am talking about diablo |
| 03:40.03 | Ken-Young | Sorry |
| 03:40.13 | godrik | thank you for the info anyway :) |
| 03:41.41 | dotblank | ok |
| 03:42.00 | dotblank | When you set an sms message does it copy it to the root fs? |
| 03:42.11 | dotblank | sms message alert |
| 03:42.40 | dotblank | because I set the sms alert tone to a named pipe and it generates random wav sounds |
| 03:43.09 | dotblank | So far when I receive an sms it is actually the first sound that I put into the pipe |
| 03:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry, can't follow |
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| 03:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | if I make any sense of what you say, I conclude the system creates a .wav backup of the ringtone selected, at the time you actually select the original ringtone. I think I remember to have seen such 'cache' files in some hidden drawer somewhere |
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| 03:55.52 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, I tried searching for files of a similar size none came up |
| 03:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: that might fail as probably it's transcoded to another format, so changes size. Check for new files, or compare a full ls -a >before.txt with after.txt |
| 03:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | btw I think I've seen those cached files somewhere in ~ |
| 04:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | the named-pipe idea is actually intriguing |
| 04:02.05 | dotblank | yea it actually works really weel |
| 04:02.43 | dotblank | well.. like I can select the file from the list and it plays random files each time i play it |
| 04:02.54 | dotblank | just when I get a message seems to have a cache |
| 04:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 04:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | sms alarmtone is different to ringtone? |
| 04:03.36 | dotblank | nah.. I was setting the sms alarm tone |
| 04:05.15 | dotblank | it was really hard to get a named pipe into the MyDocs folder |
| 04:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it was. MyDocs is VFAT |
| 04:06.12 | dotblank | mounted a 1mb loopback ext2 in the vfat |
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| 04:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 04:06.35 | dotblank | also has a symlink to root |
| 04:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | why didn't you create the pipe in ~ simply? |
| 04:07.04 | dotblank | the drop down menu doesn't give you access to it |
| 04:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 04:07.18 | dotblank | only to contents in MyDocs |
| 04:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | I 'fixed' that mega-annoyance by bindmounting / to MyDocs/rootlink |
| 04:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | but I fail to understand why you ned access to the named pipe via this braindead filemanager selector |
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| 04:10.31 | dotblank | to select a named pipe to be usedf as an alert. |
| 04:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah |
| 04:10.44 | dotblank | in the background I have a script piping sound into it |
| 04:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | darn |
| 04:11.02 | dotblank | oh I found the location of the cache |
| 04:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 04:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | where is it? |
| 04:11.14 | dotblank | /home/user/.local/share/sounds |
| 04:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 04:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | toldy it's in ~ |
| 04:11.27 | dotblank | I compared the diffs of my entire FS |
| 04:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | also I remembered it's hidden |
| 04:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | woohaa, my brain has a neuron left that really works :-P |
| 04:12.38 | dotblank | it encodes it to wav |
| 04:12.54 | dotblank | you were right about location and encoding |
| 04:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | 3. point I remembered :-D |
| 04:13.13 | dotblank | brb |
| 04:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | kepp us updated please :-) |
| 04:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: so now you know location of the cache, you don't need fileselector access any more ;-D. Just place your named pipe there |
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| 04:20.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | what OS the joojoo tablet runs on? |
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| 04:24.35 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, not so fast I have to make sure I encode all the files to the same wav format and quality |
| 04:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: you tried playback of the cache file? |
| 04:25.45 | dotblank | im about to just got back |
| 04:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | or a simple 'file <cachefile>' |
| 04:26.15 | dotblank | ok playback worked |
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| 04:26.39 | dotblank | Uncompressed 16-bit PCM audio Mono 48000 Hz |
| 04:26.47 | dotblank | is the fileformat |
| 04:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | amazing |
| 04:27.22 | dotblank | gah |
| 04:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | I would have expected a 24KHz |
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| 04:27.45 | dotblank | my source file has a lower hz |
| 04:27.54 | dotblank | I think it will play ok anyway |
| 04:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | tzzz |
| 04:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | not really. probably they use 48KHz so they don't need to transcode it during playback |
| 04:30.23 | dotblank | ok im testing t |
| 04:30.32 | dotblank | YES!!! |
| 04:30.35 | dotblank | I think it works |
| 04:31.00 | dotblank | Awesoem |
| 04:31.07 | dotblank | I now have a random SMS alert |
| 04:31.38 | dotblank | I took the entire Starcraft unit selection sounds and am now using them as random sms alerts |
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| 04:32.53 | dotblank | now I need to run "hile true; do /usr/bin/gnu/shuf /home/user/MyDocs/SC1S/list.txt | head -n 1 | xargs cat 1>/home/user/.local/share/sounds/Love\ Sounds.mp3.wav; done" as a daemon |
| 04:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, was offline. have I missed a post before that last one? |
| 04:34.09 | dotblank | <dotblank> ok im testing t |
| 04:34.09 | dotblank | <dotblank> YES!!! |
| 04:34.09 | dotblank | <dotblank> I think it works |
| 04:34.09 | dotblank | <dotblank> Awesoem |
| 04:34.09 | dotblank | <dotblank> I now have a random SMS alert |
| 04:34.10 | dotblank | * clicx has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 04:34.12 | dotblank | <dotblank> I took the entire Starcraft unit selection sounds and am now using them as random sms alerts |
| 04:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeeeha! :-D |
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| 04:35.41 | dotblank | now I just need to run the above command at start in the backgound |
| 04:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | hands hacker-of-the-day batch to dotblank |
| 04:36.56 | dotblank | Im going to make a post about this on maemo.org |
| 04:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | great |
| 04:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | you are aware how mad useful this is as well for contact specific ringtones? |
| 04:38.10 | dotblank | hmm.. not too sure.. |
| 04:38.17 | dotblank | I guess what would happen |
| 04:38.31 | dotblank | dbus wopuld send a message about contact info |
| 04:38.39 | dotblank | on incoming call |
| 04:39.00 | dotblank | listen for it and then pipe contact ringtone into named pipe |
| 04:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 04:39.21 | dotblank | do I win anything? |
| 04:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | you won the batch ;-D |
| 04:40.02 | dotblank | ok now to make a simple python script to do this |
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| 04:41.24 | dotblank | brb again |
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| 04:44.13 | dotblank | back |
| 04:46.51 | dotblank | wonder if I can pipe espeak to say aloud the contact's name |
| 04:47.20 | dotblank | I could make it say "call from dotblank" |
| 04:47.29 | dotblank | as the ringtone for that person |
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| 04:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | should work |
| 04:48.27 | dotblank | I don't think any current phone can do that really |
| 04:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | and actually there's a really dirty hack doing this |
| 04:48.41 | naxu | s60 devices can do it |
| 04:49.09 | naxu | it syntesizes caller name on top of normal ringintone |
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| 04:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 04:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | that's nasty |
| 04:50.38 | dotblank | or make it read the sms |
| 04:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's not necessarily coupled to alarm tone playback |
| 04:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | but things like ramp up ringtone volume, contact specific ringtones etc pp - that's really a good concept to implement such things |
| 04:52.59 | dotblank | well I just tested piping espeak and it works |
| 04:53.43 | dotblank | date |
| 04:53.58 | dotblank | ment to type that in a terminal |
| 04:55.27 | Proteous | ls -la /etc/network |
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| 04:59.02 | ptl_demands_PR12 | good morning, crashanddie |
| 04:59.12 | crashanddie | it's 3PM :) |
| 04:59.14 | crashanddie | good morning |
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| 05:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: now if headset pushbutton and voicedial would work, then we really fixed headset usability |
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| 05:04.55 | dotblank | dbus monitor into espeak is hilarious |
| 05:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if there's a GSoC project for a basic speech2txt to implement voice dialing and voice cmds |
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| 05:06.13 | ptl_demands_PR12 | that would be nice |
| 05:06.14 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: isn't there a sister project for asterisk that does that? |
| 05:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | It's kinda embarrasing N9x is brilliant on that, and N900 can't do at all |
| 05:06.36 | ptl_demands_PR12 | and it's something that we need to catch up on the android and iphone fronts |
| 05:06.48 | crashanddie | erhm... the android one sucks donkey balls |
| 05:06.53 | ptl_demands_PR12 | really? |
| 05:06.56 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 05:06.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I have no practice on it |
| 05:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: asterisk? sounds quite unrelated, but well... anyway never heard of it |
| 05:07.10 | ptl_demands_PR12 | nevertheless it's there, and ours isn't |
| 05:07.29 | ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: 3 pm? Where do you live? It's 2 AM here in Brazil |
| 05:07.38 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: as in: say "encule" (roughly translated as asshole in english), and it will pick a contact at random |
| 05:07.41 | dotblank | cmon look at google voice their sppech2text is terrible. If they can't get that right how would android |
| 05:08.00 | crashanddie | dotblank: because they're not based on the same technologies? |
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| 05:08.32 | dotblank | I guess I should never attempt humor in an irc channel |
| 05:08.44 | RST38h | moo all |
| 05:08.54 | crashanddie | well, you can, but if your humour is shit, it doesn't really matter |
| 05:09.00 | dotblank | :( |
| 05:09.02 | MiXu- | The voice commands are shit for Finnish language even on S60 :P |
| 05:09.18 | MiXu- | They "sort of work" |
| 05:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h |
| 05:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: :-D |
| 05:10.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | symbian has speech2text? |
| 05:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | yess |
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| 05:10.37 | ptl_demands_PR12 | and can't they port it to maemo/meego? |
| 05:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | and it works like a charm on german N95 |
| 05:10.47 | RST38h | ah those germans... |
| 05:11.08 | MiXu- | N900 is the first Maemo phone. You can't expect it to have _everything_ that Symbian/S60 has. |
| 05:11.17 | RST38h | By the way, voice commands is not the same thing as speech to text |
| 05:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | even understands names of contacts without any training |
| 05:11.31 | RST38h | Voice commands are way easier to do |
| 05:11.41 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I know |
| 05:11.43 | MiXu- | If they had implemented everything, it would've taken another year or two to get N900 to shops :) |
| 05:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's why I asked for *basic* s2t |
| 05:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: we all know and appreciate that |
| 05:12.45 | MiXu- | Just stating the obvious :) |
| 05:13.18 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: that's because you sound like you're going to kill someone everytime you give an order (germans as a whole) |
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| 05:13.43 | crashanddie | TELEFONIERT SIE HANS, SCHNELL |
| 05:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | but really Nokia could port their S60 speech recog to maemo. I wouldn't even mind if it was closed source |
| 05:13.49 | crashanddie | and the phone replies: Ja Herr General |
| 05:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: hehe |
| 05:14.55 | Kurppa_ | It only responds if you yell loud enough. |
| 05:14.59 | MiXu- | I think the problem in porting is that it's all written in an overly complicated manner since they're stuck with Symbian C++. |
| 05:15.09 | MiXu- | So it would be a complete rewrite. |
| 05:15.17 | crashanddie | The algorithm is the important part |
| 05:15.20 | crashanddie | implementation never is |
| 05:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 05:15.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | it depends, the implementation might have a lot of special cases to deal with and that might be very important |
| 05:15.51 | ptl_demands_PR12 | at least in my experience |
| 05:15.56 | RST38h | DocS: No such thing as basic s2t |
| 05:16.19 | MiXu- | I believe they're better off just using the known algorithm but writing everything else "from scratch". |
| 05:16.23 | RST38h | DocS: You either go the whole way, or it does not work, or you do voice control which does not do any s2t to speak of |
| 05:16.41 | crashanddie | if your algorithm is sound, the language doesn't matter (except for performance) -- you can throw monkeys at it and it'll work; that's what Indian programmers are for |
| 05:16.58 | MiXu- | lol |
| 05:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: well, recognizing spoken contact surnames without training is what I call basic s2t |
| 05:18.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | what's the best open source speech2text engine? |
| 05:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | s2t with a *very* limited dictionary, but one that lacks phonetic transscriptions |
| 05:18.28 | RST38h | throwing monkeys on anything more complicated than a web app is a bad idea |
| 05:19.34 | ptl_demands_PR12 | no |
| 05:19.41 | ptl_demands_PR12 | throwing monkey at a web app is a bad idea |
| 05:19.54 | ptl_demands_PR12 | you've gothe worst piece of software I ever saw |
| 05:20.26 | ptl_demands_PR12 | it was made by indians (MRO Corp.) and sold to IBM in 2005. It's called Maximo. |
| 05:20.26 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: you haven't shared my experience then ;) |
| 05:21.25 | ptl_demands_PR12 | this message from 2008 states that maemo has poorly performed speech2text --> http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124846 |
| 05:21.29 | ptl_demands_PR12 | anyone knows what this guy is talking about? |
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| 05:24.04 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 05:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 05:24.30 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: sphinx is in Java, but open source |
| 05:26.26 | RST38h | "in Java" == "useless" |
| 05:26.50 | Kurppa_ | It's the algorithm that counts. |
| 05:27.49 | crashanddie | Sometimes I wish the chinese didn't get access to the interweb |
| 05:28.02 | crashanddie | you wouldn't have to read crap like this: "the problem is none of HW related, it's just a unfinished work, every HW have this problem. It's not a but, just like XORG." |
| 05:28.07 | MiXu- | crashanddie: They don't really ;) |
| 05:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | It's not a but? |
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| 05:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 05:28.57 | MiXu- | you put buts in buttracker |
| 05:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | butcracker |
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| 05:34.56 | ptl_demands_PR12 | time for a swapoff - a; swapon -a :) |
| 05:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
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| 05:35.40 | MiXu- | ptl_demands_PR12: What for? |
| 05:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | to sweeten the coffee |
| 05:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'm doing that 12 times a day |
| 05:36.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MiXu-: too much tabs open in google chrome, chromium, firefox and akregator, I guess |
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| 05:36.29 | naxu | syntax sugar on java? |
| 05:36.53 | MiXu- | ptl: oh, I thought you meant on N900. |
| 05:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | each of these words is enough on its own to kickban you :-P |
| 05:37.34 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MiXu-: no, I never needed to do that on N900... |
| 05:37.48 | MiXu- | Me neither, which is why I was asking :) |
| 05:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | still I fail to understand how it would help to fix any problem on any platform |
| 05:38.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | but I guess the reason my usage was so bad was due to the flash plugin/nspluginviewer, it was quite large on xrestop |
| 05:39.17 | crashanddie | I just had to wait 3 days for engineering to write a tool |
| 05:39.27 | crashanddie | it's supposed to modify an XML file, in very complicated ways |
| 05:39.29 | ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: I suspect it's memory leak or so, but I don't have the guts to use valgrind or anything else for such a large program |
| 05:39.41 | crashanddie | (35.5k lines in the XML file) |
| 05:39.54 | crashanddie | It changed 10 lines. |
| 05:39.57 | ptl_demands_PR12 | does it use XSLT? |
| 05:40.03 | crashanddie | We waited 3 days for 10 lines. |
| 05:40.17 | crashanddie | fuck xslt, tell me what to change next time |
| 05:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 05:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | sed probably needs 0.005s cpu time to do that |
| 05:40.54 | woodong50_ | a base of maemo is Linux? |
| 05:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | woodong50_: err, yes... |
| 05:41.19 | ptl_demands_PR12 | yeah, and all maemo base are belong to us. |
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| 05:41.26 | woodong50_ | oh thanks |
| 05:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrr |
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| 05:42.26 | ptl_demands_PR12 | woodong50_: maemo is linux, not only the kernel, but the whole infrastructure - dbus, gstream, hal, X, gtk+, qt, networkmanager, upstart |
| 05:42.27 | crashanddie | aboyer: you're from Canada, right? |
| 05:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | upstart is linux? OMG |
| 05:43.05 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: I would've said the exact opposite, but nevermind |
| 05:43.15 | aboyer | crashanddie: yes... and a little surprised that you would know that... |
| 05:43.54 | ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: I meant that upstart makes part of some distros' infrastructure, not that it 'belongs' to linux only. X also runs on other OSs, why the surprise? |
| 05:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~traceroute 130.188.198.109 |
| 05:44.22 | infobot | traceroute to 130.188.198.109 (130.188.198.109), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets |
| 05:44.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: of course, I am not referring to the kernel here, but if I used GNU/Linux I'd only complicate things for woodong50_ |
| 05:44.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: what do you mean? |
| 05:45.03 | woodong50_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.20 | aboyer | crashanddie: why do you ask? |
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| 05:46.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | basically, yes, but that doesn't mean apps from N810 will work out of the box in N900, might need recompilation or even some adaptations to account for changes in the OS libraries. |
| 05:46.14 | crashanddie | aboyer: I just happen to know a Boyer, and he's from Canada, also your first name is Alain, which means you're either french or french canadian |
| 05:46.17 | ptl_demands_PR12 | woodong50_: basically, yes, but that doesn't mean apps from N810 will work out of the box in N900, might need recompilation or even some adaptations to account for changes in the OS libraries. |
| 05:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: well I thought upstart is ubuntu. And for ubuntu see http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 05:46.29 | ptl_demands_PR12 | woodong50_: and this also means that apps written for the N900 will be even more difficult to backport to the N810, generally speaking |
| 05:46.40 | crashanddie | aboyer: I got lucky, nevermind |
| 05:46.43 | woodong50_ | yes |
| 05:46.58 | aboyer | crashanddie: french canadian (from ontario and not quebec...) |
| 05:47.12 | aboyer | you may know the difference... |
| 05:47.17 | ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer-8: maemo uses it and i think fedora does too, isn't it? Many tools are invented for one distribution and become popular in others. |
| 05:47.22 | crashanddie | aboyer: which explains why you're still awake at this time of day :) |
| 05:47.41 | crashanddie | aboyer: en effet, je connais la difference |
| 05:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: just kidding, never mind |
| 05:47.53 | aboyer | crashanddie: well, i'm not living in canada anymore... |
| 05:48.11 | aboyer | it's morning for me... |
| 05:48.17 | ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: sorry for not getting the joke :) |
| 05:49.02 | ptl_demands_PR12 | it's 3 AM here in Brazil but I sleep at day and awake at the night, mostly due to my job (although I am on vacation now) |
| 05:49.16 | crashanddie | aboyer: welcome to Europe |
| 05:49.23 | crashanddie | aboyer: what does a canadian do working for Nokia? |
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| 05:50.05 | aboyer | crashanddie: i'm not working for nokia, although i work with the n900 all day long! |
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| 05:52.03 | crashanddie | aboyer: oh well, you live in Finland and come to #maemo, I had a 2/3 chance you were working for Nokia :p |
| 05:52.39 | Surfa | not really |
| 05:52.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Linus Torvalds should use a N900 |
| 05:52.51 | crashanddie | please, no |
| 05:53.00 | crashanddie | The day torvalds endorses the n900, I sell mine |
| 05:53.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lol |
| 05:53.30 | Surfa | that sound very reasonable, sell device if person x owns it |
| 05:53.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | It's not because of that |
| 05:54.15 | ptl_demands_PR12 | since he's the Linux kernel manager, he'd surely steer the development towards its daily usage |
| 05:54.18 | ptl_demands_PR12 | like, maybe we could get an open-source bme driver |
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| 05:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: go ahead write your own bme. It's not that difficult really |
| 05:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | probably N900 would work and even charge flawlessly (though a lil tad slower and only from wallcharger) even without any BME at all |
| 05:58.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I have some development skills, most of them in userspace. I will not spend my vacation with that, but I thanks for the advice. I've got to spend most of the time working out and nurturing my new relationship. :P |
| 05:58.46 | crashanddie | No, if Linus had an interest in Maemo/Meego (unlikely considering Nokia/Intel are behind it), his arrogant and sorry ass would immediately criticise all of the very good and sound decisions we have made over the years |
| 05:58.46 | ptl_demands_PR12 | s/but I thanks/but I thank you/ |
| 05:59.25 | crashanddie | He wouldn't pay any attention to the "why", rather than the "how", everyone would be low-level junk to him, and the project would die in the burning flames of corporate trolls versus open source zealots |
| 05:59.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | would you be in the side of the corporate trolls? |
| 06:00.02 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I trust more in the open source zealots ;) |
| 06:00.10 | ptl_demands_PR12 | not that I trust too much, tho |
| 06:00.28 | naxu | so one man could ruin the whole community and existing product? |
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| 06:00.32 | crashanddie | To be honest? Yeah, corporate trolls usually have more integrity and loyalty than open source zealots |
| 06:00.50 | crashanddie | naxu: sure, look what he did to Mandriva |
| 06:01.16 | slingr | yummmmmmm |
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| 06:01.22 | mece | mornin maemites |
| 06:01.43 | crashanddie | heh, for aussies: maemomites |
| 06:02.01 | mece | hehee |
| 06:02.13 | naxu | crashanddie: I don't know what happened there.. but I would expect that Meego will be steered from Intel and Nokia |
| 06:02.36 | ptl_demands_PR12 | naxu: yeah, into the hands of the community |
| 06:02.37 | naxu | and they do steering based on business |
| 06:03.40 | MiXu- | in my opinion "into the hands of community" fully happens only after product support ends |
| 06:03.58 | luke-jr | MiXu-: it never really happens ever |
| 06:04.09 | luke-jr | after support ends, the community is just screwed |
| 06:04.15 | naxu | mer ? |
| 06:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | n8 |
| 06:04.37 | MiXu- | Of course community has a huge role in software development, but I wouldn't say that means the whole platform is "in the hands of the community". |
| 06:04.41 | crashanddie | "Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Trois mensonges dans une phrase, ça fait quand meme un peu pitié" |
| 06:04.51 | luke-jr | naxu: Maemo is too closed source |
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| 06:05.13 | Stskeeps | MiXu-: community has next to no sway over maemo, agreed |
| 06:05.18 | luke-jr | the community lacks the code needed to get things working |
| 06:05.20 | Stskeeps | meego's changing that it seems |
| 06:05.20 | Chiku|dc | tout a fait |
| 06:05.21 | MiXu- | Stskeeps: Yes. |
| 06:05.35 | Stskeeps | that said, it is possible to get some things done here and there |
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| 06:08.23 | naxu | I don't know if it is ever possible to totally open maemo/meego. There are liability issues with gsm for example. And IP rights issues with chip manufacturers etc. |
| 06:09.03 | Stskeeps | i don't mind 97%, where shared platform is 100% and hardware may have bits here and there |
| 06:09.34 | luke-jr | naxu: GSM isn't handled by the main processor |
| 06:10.00 | luke-jr | naxu: as with all smartphones, GSM is handled by an independent "phone" CPU running 100% closed software |
| 06:10.25 | luke-jr | naxu: the closed parts tend to be things like GPS and battery charging |
| 06:10.36 | Stskeeps | are you pro or con that btw? if there's open interfaces to gsm chip |
| 06:10.39 | luke-jr | and 3D, but I don't care so much about 3D as there's no practical alternative ;( |
| 06:11.04 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I consider it firmware, so I choose to tolerate it for now. |
| 06:11.10 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 06:11.13 | luke-jr | open firmware is still a long way off |
| 06:11.29 | naxu | luke-jr: battery charging might be also liability issue.. if user messes with charging algoritm and ruins/explodes battery, device manufacturer will be blaimed |
| 06:11.49 | luke-jr | naxu: I can mess with charging algorithm without source. Source just makes it less likely I do something wrong. |
| 06:12.11 | naxu | yeah, true |
| 06:12.12 | luke-jr | therefore, liability is greater with battery charger closed |
| 06:12.25 | luke-jr | they force me to work blind ;) |
| 06:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | naxu: nope that's nonsense |
| 06:12.30 | ptl_demands_PR12 | naxu: anyway, doesn't a disclaimer solve the vendor liability? |
| 06:12.42 | naxu | well might be that algorithms are IP |
| 06:12.56 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: you're aware that the only way to prove that open source is better, is injuring yourself while experimenting with this stuff? |
| 06:12.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:13.03 | naxu | disclaimer is not automatic "get away from jail" card |
| 06:13.25 | Stskeeps | (we danes have a good expression along the lines of 'bodies needs to go on the table before anything is done') |
| 06:13.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:13.29 | luke-jr | naxu: IANAL, but I bet a disclaimer on modifying the algorithm would hold up ;p |
| 06:13.30 | Stskeeps | +dead |
| 06:13.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | **you can not change the algorithm. It's implemented in bq24150* |
| 06:14.06 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Stskeeps: are you descended from vikings? |
| 06:14.07 | naxu | luke-jr: it very much depends on country where "accept" button is pressed |
| 06:14.10 | luke-jr | "my arm got blown off by their device!" "you modified the code to do that, idiot" |
| 06:14.24 | luke-jr | naxu: there is no 'accept' button |
| 06:14.55 | luke-jr | heck, I would expect even *without* a disclaimer, someone who did that would have no legal basis for suing |
| 06:15.02 | naxu | well I guess you get the point? |
| 06:15.04 | Stskeeps | mcdonalds, hot coffee. |
| 06:15.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:15.09 | luke-jr | it's like buying a gun and shooting your foot off |
| 06:15.10 | tekojo | luke-jr you aren't obviously american |
| 06:15.18 | Stskeeps | he is, though |
| 06:15.26 | ptl_demands_PR12 | "I'll sue ya" songs from Weird Al Yankovic holds true now. |
| 06:15.30 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: scaldingly hot coffee; that case actually had *some* merit |
| 06:15.33 | tekojo | oh, then he isn't American |
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| 06:15.40 | tekojo | with a capital A |
| 06:15.49 | luke-jr | tekojo: I try not to be. :p |
| 06:16.05 | tekojo | there is still hope then :) |
| 06:16.16 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: I guess if it was *that* hot, the coffee would evaporate instantaneously :P |
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| 06:16.30 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: why? |
| 06:16.30 | tekojo | but naxu is right on the disclaimers, they don't hold in many places in the world |
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| 06:17.04 | luke-jr | tekojo: disclaimers aside, the liability is greater with closed source since it forces modifiers to work blind |
| 06:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | please take notice you basically CAN NOT explode the battery by any sw tweaking. That's all BS, cargo cult coding, and urban legends |
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| 06:17.27 | Stskeeps | is that a bet? |
| 06:17.33 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: water goes only to 100 degress celsius, is not something like hot oil that can fry you alive, although it can hurt. Besides, people usually wait a few before actually drinking the coffee. |
| 06:17.38 | naxu | DocScrutinizer: "explode == safety vent opens" in my book |
| 06:17.42 | luke-jr | I wouldn't bet, but I think DocScrutinizer is right |
| 06:17.44 | tekojo | luke-jr the hard part of making mass market things is that the assumed buyer is not really tech savvy |
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| 06:18.09 | tekojo | hmmm... coffee... |
| 06:18.11 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: water can burn before it evaporates |
| 06:18.36 | luke-jr | tekojo: someone non-savvy would not modify it, with or without code |
| 06:18.53 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: water from a little cups gets cold quite fast, and the low volume does not allow such harm. |
| 06:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | naxu: so I don't care what's on your book. There's a hardware chip designed to manage battery in a gentle way fully autonomously, and it's quite hard to mess with that chip in a way so battery will go any mad state |
| 06:18.59 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: after someone made youtube videos of how to install meego on a n900, we can no longer assume things like that |
| 06:19.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:19.07 | ptl_demands_PR12 | *little cup |
| 06:19.18 | naxu | luke-jr: what if tech-savvy creates software that breaks things up and then non-savvy uses it without knowing what he is doing and breaks the device? |
| 06:19.24 | tekojo | luke-jr well, reading the talk thread on cpu clocking, there is a bunch of people who do the craziest thing just "cause it said so on the internet" |
| 06:19.27 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: there will always be people telling lesser knowledged (that sounds wrong) how to do advanced things |
| 06:19.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:19.50 | luke-jr | naxu: same with or without source |
| 06:20.16 | tekojo | luke-jr not what the courts think |
| 06:20.17 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I told a bunch of non-tech savvy brazilian guys how to activate smartreflex in a forum |
| 06:20.18 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: 72 C water can do third degree burns in a second. |
| 06:20.44 | naxu | luke-jr: but from manufacturer point of view there is a difference |
| 06:21.12 | luke-jr | tekojo: some ignorant court has come out and said forcing people to work blind reduces liability? |
| 06:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-08 07:56:36] <DocScrutinizer> probably N900 would work and even charge flawlessly (though a lil tad slower and only from wallcharger) even without any BME at all |
| 06:21.41 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: on a sidenote, did you start that maemo-developers@ discussion yet? |
| 06:21.53 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: not a few drops because they exchange temperature with the body water, it has to have some volume. |
| 06:22.01 | tekojo | luke-jr essentially yes |
| 06:22.19 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: I wonder what temperature is enough to affect someone driving. |
| 06:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | not yet, as I don't like to start such a thread without a device to confirm the statements and assumptions I'm going to post there |
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| 06:23.01 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: fair enough - technical basis first |
| 06:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 06:23.21 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: if that person is driving with the cup on his/her lap, I guess the temperature is not what counts here. |
| 06:23.30 | luke-jr | notes if the battery really could be exploded, BME would *need* to be in the kernel anyhow |
| 06:23.33 | mece | wow.. Angstron2 looks so awesome it makes my head explode. |
| 06:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | imagine I yell about 'where's the sysnodes?' and actually there are some |
| 06:23.46 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: I'm thinking taking a sip |
| 06:23.52 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: get shadowjk or someone to give you ssh access? |
| 06:24.10 | luke-jr | someone w/ a N900: killall -s STOP BME |
| 06:24.11 | luke-jr | :) |
| 06:24.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: while driving? isn't that forbidden? The traffic laws here in Brazil forbid such a thing... |
| 06:24.35 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: of course not |
| 06:24.43 | luke-jr | you can't even drink coffee while you're driving in Brazil?? |
| 06:25.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | you can't drink anything while drivin |
| 06:25.08 | ptl_demands_PR12 | &driving |
| 06:25.11 | luke-jr | I regularly use my N810 while driving |
| 06:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: see? yes, BME is a mere 'convenience' thing, for faster charging and/or charging on PC usb hosts at 500, and/or info about capacity |
| 06:25.17 | luke-jr | and every so often eat/drink |
| 06:25.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | or eat anything for that matter |
| 06:25.33 | ptl_demands_PR12 | of course, most people don't obey this law |
| 06:25.36 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: that is quite frankly insane |
| 06:25.59 | luke-jr | I suppose they ban phones too? |
| 06:26.03 | luke-jr | what do they expect people to do while driving? |
| 06:26.07 | ptl_demands_PR12 | yes |
| 06:26.15 | ptl_demands_PR12 | You can't use the phones while you're driving |
| 06:26.15 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that won't pan out (sigstop BME) as then the bq24150 I2C watchdog will shoot |
| 06:26.30 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: the battery has a wd now? |
| 06:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 06:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | 32s |
| 06:27.18 | ptl_demands_PR12 | and you can't use callphones when you're in gas stations (that law was made because some high-ranked politician believed in the urban legend about cellphones blowing up gas stations with sparks) |
| 06:27.20 | luke-jr | so I guess we can be sure it won't explode within 32s |
| 06:27.21 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 06:27.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | s/callphones/cellphones/ |
| 06:27.30 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: what do they expect people to do while driving? |
| 06:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | the bq24150 can either work autonomously which it does quite flawlessly with wallcharger. Or you can control it over I2C and then you need to 'keep alive' it |
| 06:28.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: pay attention to the road. Maximum distraction would be to chat to his/her passengers and listen to the radio or CD. |
| 06:28.11 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if you don't keep-alive, does it kill the power, or just revert to default behaviour? |
| 06:28.21 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: actually there are statistics that prove that this greatly affects driving, speciall cellphones |
| 06:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | even in I2C mode you can't do arbitrary nasties to the battery |
| 06:28.38 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: maybe if you're actively making turns and such |
| 06:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: it reverts to default iirc |
| 06:28.50 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: otherwise driving is entirely passive to me, like breathing |
| 06:29.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: Yeah, but the law doesn't have any good means to discriminate that |
| 06:29.22 | luke-jr | I do recall last week missing my turn 2 or 3 times <.< |
| 06:29.22 | naxu | most drivers think they are better than "average driver" :) |
| 06:29.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | 'you will get a fine for drinking coffe while driving, but only if you are turning or in heavy traffic' |
| 06:29.40 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: even missing turns, however, is not regulation worthy <.< |
| 06:30.12 | luke-jr | especially in heavy traffic, I would be bored without something to do ... |
| 06:30.30 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I agree, but risking lives beats boredom. |
| 06:30.35 | luke-jr | naxu: well, at least 49% are... |
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| 06:30.55 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: I question that lives are at risk |
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| 06:31.19 | luke-jr | the only close calls I've had, I wasn't doing anything other than driving boredly |
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| 06:32.12 | ptl_demands_PR12 | but it's not only about you. The problem is that there are people - many people - who will get affected by this stuff and will risk lifes. And by the laws of statistics, you will get more people injured and dead. |
| 06:32.40 | slingr | i'm so glad i got this n900 |
| 06:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=600466&postcount=673 |
| 06:32.51 | slingr | i had the n810 before and had to sell it cause i was a poor ass student |
| 06:32.53 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: good point |
| 06:33.15 | slingr | just trying to find some fun programs to dl for it now |
| 06:33.23 | slingr | i really wish there was a garmin xt for this |
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| 06:33.47 | ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: www.sygic.com - I think it's 60 euros or so. It's a good Assisted GPS program. |
| 06:34.00 | luke-jr | :o |
| 06:34.08 | ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: you can see videos of it running in N900 in youtube. |
| 06:34.10 | slingr | assisted... meaning it needs data? |
| 06:34.15 | slingr | oi! |
| 06:34.21 | ptl_demands_PR12 | no, means it tells you the directions. |
| 06:34.52 | slingr | nice, thanks |
| 06:35.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | yw |
| 06:36.21 | luke-jr | ptl_demands_PR12: that site is sure slow XD |
| 06:36.44 | slingr | thanks ptl |
| 06:37.22 | korhojoa | hm. what's the fastest anyone's got it to be stable at? |
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| 06:37.34 | crashanddie | korhojoa: sorry? |
| 06:37.38 | ptl_demands_PR12 | korhojoa: 900 MHz, I suppose |
| 06:37.40 | korhojoa | 1.1 for a guy on ircnet |
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| 06:37.56 | korhojoa | crashanddie: the n900 |
| 06:37.57 | crashanddie | I'm tempted to ban overclocking discussions |
| 06:37.58 | poutsi | hey, what (if any) version of GLX does fremantle have? |
| 06:38.16 | korhojoa | sorry. just asking. |
| 06:38.20 | luke-jr | can you overclock the GPU part? |
| 06:38.30 | crashanddie | korhojoa: not about you |
| 06:38.33 | crashanddie | korhojoa: just as a whole |
| 06:38.55 | crashanddie | korhojoa: I really feel like in a couple of weeks we're going to get a bunch of whiners saying that it's our fault they overclocked and it broke |
| 06:39.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | luke-jr: there is one of the kernels from the overclock notice that had an accelerated GPU, I think it was 433 MHz |
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| 06:39.34 | korhojoa | say "baww." then you stick it in the topic |
| 06:39.43 | Wolfie | crashanddie: i think that would be a very bad move. Isn't n900 marketed as the hackable phone? |
| 06:39.59 | korhojoa | i'm not clocking mine for this reason. |
| 06:40.06 | Wolfie | sure, the warranty is void, but see where Intel and AMD are now with their overclocking culture |
| 06:40.09 | crashanddie | Wolfie: I don't care what the N900 is marketed as, this is #maemo, not overclockersforum.com |
| 06:40.10 | slingr | this sygic looks decent |
| 06:40.12 | luke-jr | korhojoa: define 'stable' |
| 06:40.24 | korhojoa | also, a lady next to me just whipped out her n900 |
| 06:40.25 | Wolfie | crashanddie: oh, you meant for this channel only. Nevermind, then :) |
| 06:40.33 | luke-jr | korhojoa: the problem with overclocking isn't during usage, it's the shortened lifespan |
| 06:40.34 | crashanddie | Wolfie: yeah, lol |
| 06:40.41 | ptl_demands_PR12 | It's just information, you should counteract with better information. Like 'overclocking WILL melt your phone, don't be deceived and you will not have an warranty for this' |
| 06:40.55 | korhojoa | luke-jr: well, 24+hrs without problems. no lifetime ideas yet |
| 06:41.07 | crashanddie | Wolfie: or at least keep it within reasonable limits of discussion, not that every noob comes here asking "OMFGZ I want to run Crysis, how do I overclock to 8GHZ??? ZOMG" |
| 06:41.17 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lol |
| 06:41.18 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 06:41.43 | crashanddie | korhojoa: do you feel a difference in performance/usability? |
| 06:41.46 | korhojoa | well. i'd like to try it for one reason: dosbox and action supercross |
| 06:41.53 | crashanddie | korhojoa: has the phone quality changed at all? (voice distortion?) |
| 06:41.56 | korhojoa | crashanddie: not my device. |
| 06:42.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: that is much much better, something that's next to impossible to disagree with. I thought you'd just prevent people from ever saying anything about overclocking. :) |
| 06:42.03 | Wolfie | crashanddie: heh, well, i guess you'd do good to have a short Q&A link that you can refer to which mentions the channel's policies, and the most frequently questioned answers |
| 06:42.24 | luke-jr | I really need to get to bed |
| 06:42.25 | luke-jr | night |
| 06:42.26 | crashanddie | Wolfie: channel policies depend on my mood, really |
| 06:42.30 | ptl_demands_PR12 | bye luke-jr |
| 06:42.37 | crashanddie | and that of DocScrutinizer's |
| 06:42.41 | Wolfie | something in the lined "#maemo is about the platform, not about N900. For more overclocking info, goto urls suchansuch" |
| 06:42.46 | korhojoa | anyone know if it's a good move to run irssi locally instead of over ssh? i mean, do you save any power? |
| 06:42.47 | Wolfie | *lines |
| 06:42.50 | crashanddie | but he's lame, hardly uses the ban hammer in any kind of abusive manner |
| 06:43.02 | luke-jr | so in other words, policy sez not to tell crashanddie how much he sucks |
| 06:43.03 | luke-jr | j/k :) |
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| 06:43.09 | slingr | can anyone recommend any decent, non-stock repo's i should add to my n900? |
| 06:43.12 | crashanddie | luke-jr: pretty much |
| 06:43.36 | luke-jr | Wolfie: a number of people, myself included, consider #Maemo to be about the devices as well |
| 06:43.43 | luke-jr | Wolfie: I run Gentoo on N810. ;) |
| 06:43.57 | Wolfie | luke-jr: well, that's hardly anything to do with maemo anymore, has it? |
| 06:43.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: extras-testing, extras-devel *** WARNING WARNING, IT WILL BRICK YOUR DEVICE *** and qole.org *** WARNING WARNING, IT HAS ALREADY BRICKED YOUR DEVICE, BUY ANOTHER *** |
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| 06:44.04 | korhojoa | i'm still notg as fast on the n900 as i was on the e61, find it harder to type with the greater distances. |
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| 06:44.17 | luke-jr | LOL ptl_demands_PR12 |
| 06:44.19 | korhojoa | ptl_demands_PR12: :D |
| 06:44.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: http://n900.aguilarj.com/?page_id=369 |
| 06:44.31 | crashanddie | korhojoa: if you screen it properly, you don't get disconnected from IRC everytime your N900 loses connectivity |
| 06:44.33 | slingr | thanks a bunch :D |
| 06:44.38 | ptl_demands_PR12 | yw! |
| 06:44.41 | Wolfie | anyways, back to the salt mines (i.e. Eclipse) |
| 06:44.42 | mece | if N810 cpu is arm1136j-s, what is N900 cpu? |
| 06:44.59 | MiXu- | Cortex A8 |
| 06:45.00 | crashanddie | mece: arm1226? |
| 06:45.08 | korhojoa | crashanddie: which one? ssh or local? |
| 06:45.12 | crashanddie | (1136 + 90) |
| 06:45.13 | luke-jr | arm1337zomg |
| 06:45.18 | crashanddie | korhojoa: ssh |
| 06:45.20 | korhojoa | for ssh it doesn't matter |
| 06:45.21 | slingr | lol |
| 06:45.21 | mece | crashanddie, I don't know, that's why I asked.. |
| 06:45.32 | crashanddie | mece: it was a joke |
| 06:45.36 | mece | :) |
| 06:45.46 | korhojoa | ah, you meany on the remote host |
| 06:45.48 | mece | I realize that... now. |
| 06:45.51 | korhojoa | y=t |
| 06:46.11 | crashanddie | korhojoa: yeah, I meant your IRC connection doesn't get interrupted constantly, which can get rather annoying for other users |
| 06:46.13 | korhojoa | crashanddie: of course screen, i thought everyone did that |
| 06:46.42 | crashanddie | korhojoa: ctcp version me |
| 06:46.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | korhojoa: I think using irssi on the remote host is better if you have a good connection to this host |
| 06:47.26 | MiXu- | I agree |
| 06:47.29 | mece | ok, it's armv7-a apparently. |
| 06:47.31 | ptl_demands_PR12 | korhojoa: or, if you are too keen on running irssi locally, you could maybe use a bnc on the remote host so that you can reenact your conversations |
| 06:47.37 | crashanddie | oy, luke-jr, didn't allow you! |
| 06:47.51 | korhojoa | ptl_demands_PR12: i was going to use irssi-proxy |
| 06:47.55 | slingr | I'm using my n900 on Wind Mobile in Canada. I'm getting decent speeds finally :D |
| 06:47.57 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: irssi supports bnc features |
| 06:48.00 | korhojoa | crashanddie: browser? |
| 06:48.05 | crashanddie | korhojoa: sadly, yes |
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| 06:48.28 | korhojoa | how does that compare to cgi:irc |
| 06:48.40 | crashanddie | a lot better than cgi::irc |
| 06:48.43 | crashanddie | not as good as mibbit |
| 06:48.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | korhojoa: irssi-proxy? Never used that. Is it better than BNC? |
| 06:49.04 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I guess I'd use bnc because I sometimes want to use x-chat |
| 06:49.19 | korhojoa | ptl_demands_PR12: well, if you like being able to connect to a already open connection, it works nicely |
| 06:49.30 | korhojoa | oh, it's not like that |
| 06:49.38 | korhojoa | the first irssi becomes the proxy |
| 06:49.44 | korhojoa | you can connect with anything |
| 06:50.04 | korhojoa | ie, it's irssi as a bnc |
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| 06:50.24 | korhojoa | i like it better than miau or psyBNC |
| 06:50.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lemme see. |
| 06:51.38 | korhojoa | dad said not to let strangers touch your bnc. |
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| 06:51.57 | EmpJoe | DCC SEND "поɦÊÉпÉ" 0 0 0 |
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| 06:52.10 | ptl_demands_PR12 | o0 |
| 06:52.13 | ptl_demands_PR12 | what was that? |
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| 06:52.23 | crashanddie | that was someone trying to kill people's connections |
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| 06:52.31 | crashanddie | it says 'fuckyou' upside down |
| 06:52.42 | korhojoa | :D |
| 06:52.46 | crashanddie | some DLINK routers reset their connection when that string is passed through |
| 06:53.01 | crashanddie | expect to see a few ping timeouts in the next few minutes |
| 06:53.05 | korhojoa | his name was EMPjoe :D |
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| 06:54.55 | korhojoa | someone did that in #debian quite some time ago and like 1\5th of the channel dissappeared |
| 06:54.55 | MiXu- | haha |
| 06:55.14 | crashanddie | yeah, I used to do it in #gentoo to prove a point when people were trolling |
| 06:56.06 | korhojoa | "stop fucking around, or this will happen to you." |
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| 07:01.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | trying to use irssi proxy |
| 07:01.09 | mece | hmm |
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| 07:02.06 | mece | for gaming controls, szax would be pretty useful. Works as a dpad, only at a 45 degree angle. |
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| 07:03.15 | korhojoa | mairas: sixaxis ? or what is a szax? |
| 07:03.28 | korhojoa | mece: whoops. wrong nick |
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| 07:04.12 | mece | korhojoa, szax are s, z, a and x on your keyboard. |
| 07:04.24 | mece | s = up, z = down, and so on and so forth. |
| 07:04.32 | korhojoa | ahh |
| 07:04.35 | mece | for one finger controlling. |
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| 07:04.50 | mece | one thumb |
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| 07:04.59 | korhojoa | good idea |
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| 07:05.24 | mece | I'll test it on openarena. |
| 07:06.20 | mece | szax and stylus aiming is pretty accurate for gaming, but still missing the ability to fire. Hmm. |
| 07:07.15 | mece | stylus tap would work I suppose. |
| 07:07.31 | korhojoa | i suggest one finger on another key |
| 07:07.58 | korhojoa | right pinky on right arrow? |
| 07:09.22 | mece | hmm left index finger on proximity! |
| 07:09.29 | mece | hey that might just work |
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| 07:10.24 | korhojoa | ahh |
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| 07:10.25 | korhojoa | clever |
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| 07:12.32 | ptl_demands_PR12 | korhojoa: what type of proxy is irssi-proxy? |
| 07:13.36 | korhojoa | ? |
| 07:13.49 | korhojoa | it's just a irc server, i guess |
| 07:14.07 | korhojoa | you need to have a build compiled with it |
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| 07:14.43 | ptl_demands_PR12 | IRC Server? Oh, I understood it wrong. Ok, I'll try it. |
| 07:16.41 | korhojoa | well, in the same sense a bnc is a irc server |
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| 07:18.33 | korhojoa | seriously, fuck. this drains my battery like hell |
| 07:18.48 | korhojoa | listening to music and using irc over ssh |
| 07:19.20 | Surfa | surprise? :) |
| 07:19.21 | korhojoa | it's down to under 50 in a hour |
| 07:19.36 | korhojoa | the e61 lasted a LOT longer |
| 07:19.49 | Surfa | with ssh and irc? |
| 07:20.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | nice, it seems it worked. |
| 07:20.08 | Surfa | it's not surprise either |
| 07:20.26 | mece | so anyone have a good idea how to remove samba-common? |
| 07:20.34 | mece | I get post removal script error :/ |
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| 07:21.13 | korhojoa | Surfa: what do you mean? |
| 07:21.35 | korhojoa | i'd have expected this to manage power better |
| 07:21.47 | korhojoa | ptl_demands_PR12: got it working? good for you |
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| 07:24.49 | Surfa | korhojoa, you probably have noticed the difference in cpu and screen size/quality.. if you do constantly something, you prevent the device from getting into sleep -> battery draining |
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| 07:25.27 | korhojoa | Surfa: well, yes. this thing has a larger battery though |
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| 07:25.55 | korhojoa | 1300 mAh vs 1100 |
| 07:26.06 | Surfa | sure, but it has been clear for some years now that battery technologies are developing slower than would be appreciated |
| 07:26.33 | Surfa | other technologies are moving a lot faster nowadays.. :( |
| 07:26.53 | korhojoa | yup |
| 07:27.06 | korhojoa | should get me one of them external batteries |
| 07:27.17 | korhojoa | that slim nokia thing looks nice enough |
| 07:29.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | korhojoa: yes, it's nice, very nice. |
| 07:30.01 | korhojoa | you've got it? |
| 07:30.10 | ptl_demands_PR12 | yes |
| 07:30.15 | korhojoa | ah, but does it work? |
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| 07:33.14 | crashanddie | Surfa: word |
| 07:33.35 | ghostcube | hmmm are the missing files for koffice anywhere available ? |
| 07:33.40 | ghostcube | the qt 4.6 libs |
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| 07:34.01 | ghostcube | and frozen bubble 2 isnt installable on meamo5 |
| 07:34.04 | ghostcube | missing packages |
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| 07:34.31 | korhojoa | aww |
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| 07:35.00 | korhojoa | well. got to go now, battery low. need to save some for the rest of the day |
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| 07:44.22 | crashanddie | yo dave |
| 07:44.58 | crashanddie | dneary: comment va? |
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| 07:46.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | korhojoa: yes, I am configuring all my IRC clients to work with it now. Thanks for the tip. :) |
| 07:46.15 | dneary | Morning |
| 07:46.21 | dneary | crashanddie, Bien bien |
| 07:46.26 | dneary | il pleut |
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| 07:49.38 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Hmm, Ubuntu's kvirc is broken |
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| 07:52.03 | mece | ok tested with openarena and yes, it definately works well. |
| 07:52.09 | mece | better than accelerometer controls imo. |
| 07:52.22 | mece | i left the jumping to accelerometer |
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| 08:03.44 | nidO | noobmonk3y_ about or actually working? |
| 08:03.58 | noobmonk3y_ | blinks........ working on a holiday, shocker..... |
| 08:04.10 | noobmonk3y_ | just packing really :( leaving in a few hrs |
| 08:04.16 | nidO | 1.0.0.0 is looking good |
| 08:04.19 | nidO | question though |
| 08:04.20 | noobmonk3y_ | yay! |
| 08:04.24 | noobmonk3y_ | ooo go for it |
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| 08:04.38 | nidO | is there any point atall in the "current cpu freq" check? |
| 08:04.50 | noobmonk3y_ | well... no kinda... yes and no |
| 08:04.56 | nidO | every time I update the system info the cpu always steps up to max anyway |
| 08:04.59 | noobmonk3y_ | 1 you can tell that it is using the cpu |
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| 08:05.00 | nidO | so it always reads 600 :P |
| 08:05.12 | noobmonk3y_ | but i want to see what happens with mohammadAG etc |
| 08:05.15 | noobmonk3y_ | as they have overclocked |
| 08:05.25 | noobmonk3y_ | does it erad the lower or upper values there... |
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| 08:05.32 | noobmonk3y_ | essentially version 2 needs to have polling :D |
| 08:05.52 | nidO | :D |
| 08:06.10 | noobmonk3y_ | so at the moment, it can just sit there looking pretty :P |
| 08:06.32 | noobmonk3y_ | definitley a big old change from the first released version :D |
| 08:06.50 | nidO | yeah :P |
| 08:06.53 | noobmonk3y_ | right quick ciggy before packing continues, brb |
| 08:07.05 | nidO | I hadnt actually checked out the dead pixel check while it was in devel |
| 08:07.32 | ptl_demands_PR12 | HealthCheck is it? |
| 08:07.35 | nidO | was going down the list of different colour modes and at the second one while going down was thinking "I wonder if theres a way to move these buttons to check the pixe... ah!" |
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| 08:10.35 | noobmonk3y_ | :D |
| 08:10.42 | noobmonk3y_ | lol nidO |
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| 08:11.07 | noobmonk3y_ | hehe was thinking of a clever way, but the button was the easiest |
| 08:11.25 | noobmonk3y_ | should probably get that screen to autorotate |
| 08:11.37 | noobmonk3y_ | actually probably need the whole thing to autorotate |
| 08:12.17 | nidO | thatd be nice, I would think recoding the ui to support portrait shouldnt be that troublesome |
| 08:12.49 | noobmonk3y_ | at the mo it is, not go great until 1.2 i think |
| 08:13.00 | noobmonk3y_ | there is a good GTK version but not using gtk :( |
| 08:13.37 | noobmonk3y_ | sorry the recoding bit should be easy, just the detection and auto part lol |
| 08:14.06 | konttori | would wait until pr1.2 before making the portrait support to any app (mostly as it makes things so much easier) |
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| 08:15.38 | m77771111 | How many time nokia n810 can live with bluetooth powered on and running pidgin? (-; |
| 08:16.50 | sejo | hom do I get the terminal on the sdk? |
| 08:17.29 | noobmonk3y_ | same way as normal isnt it? |
| 08:17.42 | sejo | noobmonk3y_: can't find the package :/ |
| 08:18.01 | noobmonk3y_ | :| sorry havnt used the sdk in a while, hopefully someone here will answer though :D |
| 08:18.07 | noobmonk3y_ | is there no walk through on the forums? |
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| 08:24.27 | Appiah | sejo: tried installing it from the app manager? |
| 08:25.04 | ptl_demands_PR12 | sejo: fakeroot apt-get install osso-xterm |
| 08:25.25 | ptl_demands_PR12 | for some reason the updated scratchbox environment took it off |
| 08:25.38 | sejo | ptl_demands_PR12: thanks! |
| 08:25.49 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:26.02 | X-Fade | Morning Jaffa. |
| 08:26.14 | ptl_demands_PR12 | sejo: it's in the sdk repositoryu |
| 08:26.18 | ptl_demands_PR12 | morning |
| 08:26.47 | ghostcube | noobmonk3y_: youre doing the healthcheck :) app |
| 08:26.49 | ghostcube | works fine |
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| 08:28.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | sejo: be prepared, because for some reason the scratchbox terminal only accepts the keypad enter |
| 08:28.24 | noobmonk3y_ | ghostcube, yay! |
| 08:28.28 | noobmonk3y_ | thank you :D :D |
| 08:28.41 | ghostcube | :) updated to 0.90 yesterday :) |
| 08:28.59 | noobmonk3y_ | ahaaaa and v 1.0 last night :D |
| 08:29.04 | ghostcube | :O |
| 08:29.07 | ghostcube | must check |
| 08:29.08 | ptl_demands_PR12 | sejo: for the normal enter to work, you have to highlight "Ctrl" in the lower window part, then press enter, then undo the highlight |
| 08:29.12 | noobmonk3y_ | it is in extras testing now :D |
| 08:29.16 | ghostcube | oh cool |
| 08:29.17 | jacekowski | my chrome build failed miserably |
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| 08:29.26 | jacekowski | with stupid linking errors |
| 08:29.39 | jacekowski | i'm making relase build this time |
| 08:29.46 | sejo | thk now to get dvorak running on it |
| 08:30.51 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: did you try to build it within easy-debian or the maemo environment (scratchbox)? |
| 08:31.10 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: I have tried here but it was stopping on the part that it tried to import a python2.5 lib onto python 2.3 |
| 08:31.35 | ptl_demands_PR12 | forgot the lib right now |
| 08:31.50 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: i'm building it in scratchbox |
| 08:31.58 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 08:32.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: how did you fix that part? |
| 08:32.04 | jacekowski | i had to hack python little bit |
| 08:32.36 | jacekowski | mv /scratchbox/tools/bin/python /scratchbox/tools/bin/python2.3 |
| 08:32.40 | jacekowski | sudo mv /scratchbox/tools/bin/python /scratchbox/tools/bin/python2.3 |
| 08:32.45 | jacekowski | that was one |
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| 08:32.56 | ptl_demands_PR12 | and what about the libgl libraries that chromium tries to use? Did you substitute with libgles or tried to compile it without these libs? |
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| 08:32.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | hmm |
| 08:33.02 | jacekowski | then i had to modify couple files in /scratchbox/tools/bin/ to use /scratchbox/tools/bin/python2.3 instead of /scratchbox/tools/bin/python |
| 08:33.20 | jacekowski | and then i had to do similiar trick with python inside scratchbox |
| 08:33.34 | jacekowski | but that was just matter of changing symlink |
| 08:34.06 | jacekowski | that one - /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/bin/python |
| 08:34.11 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I tried a different approach, I figured it was hardwired to use python 2.5 due to importing that 2.5-only library, so I tried to override python 2.3 with python 2.5 |
| 08:34.13 | jacekowski | lrwxrwxrwx 1 maemo maemo 18 2010-04-06 16:49 /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 08:34.42 | jacekowski | you have to get rid of that python in /scratchbox/tools/bin/ otherwise it will fail |
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| 08:34.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ok... |
| 08:35.00 | jacekowski | because it's earlier in $PATH |
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| 08:35.09 | noobmonk3y_ | right! time for breakfast then a 5 hour drive!!! :D |
| 08:35.12 | jacekowski | and i don't want to modify $PATH |
| 08:35.14 | noobmonk3y_ | See ya'll laters! |
| 08:35.25 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I tried to override by adding other paths to the start of the $PATH variable |
| 08:35.34 | ptl_demands_PR12 | good trip, nomis |
| 08:35.39 | ptl_demands_PR12 | *noobmonk3y |
| 08:36.02 | noobmonk3y_ | lols |
| 08:36.04 | noobmonk3y_ | chars! |
| 08:36.10 | sejo | someone knows whether I can get the dvorak layout working on the n900 |
| 08:36.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | definitely. |
| 08:36.28 | ptl_demands_PR12 | after all, it uses standard X. |
| 08:36.50 | ptl_demands_PR12 | just remap and you'll be set. |
| 08:37.29 | sejo | someone knows whether I can get the dvorak layout working on the sdk? Can't seem to find it on google |
| 08:38.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | never tried it, I don't know if Xephyr accepts remapping the keys within itself |
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| 08:39.30 | ptl_demands_PR12 | but I changed my N900 keybindings to have a few portuguese characters. Changing to dvorak would just involve more time. |
| 08:40.09 | jacekowski | just change keymap |
| 08:40.18 | jacekowski | in whole system |
| 08:40.39 | sejo | jacekowski: ok thx! |
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| 08:51.43 | sejo | jacekowski: sorry but cannot find anywhere how to do that with the sdk, got a hint? |
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| 08:54.48 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone point me to how to overclock - well - underclock - the n900 - how do I set the kernel command line? I tried searching TMO, but my head exploded. |
| 08:55.45 | jacekowski | sejo: same as with normal linux disto |
| 08:55.47 | jacekowski | distro* |
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| 08:56.19 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you want to have it permanently running at low frequency? |
| 08:56.34 | sejo | jacekowski: /62 |
| 08:56.37 | sejo | nvm |
| 08:56.39 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: no - I want the lower frequency available for scaling. |
| 08:57.06 | SpeedEvil | Also - I want to try several freqs and benchmarks for current use with smartreflex on and off - but that's a seperate issue |
| 08:57.14 | jacekowski | i doubt it's possible |
| 08:57.22 | SpeedEvil | what's possible? |
| 08:57.31 | jacekowski | lower frequency |
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| 08:59.09 | nidO | ofc it is, most of the overclocking changes also lower the min freq to 125 |
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| 08:59.17 | nidO | problem is, not all devices are stable that low |
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| 08:59.56 | mece | if I do opengl in Qt does that automagically work with gles? |
| 08:59.59 | mece | hm |
| 09:00.19 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.28 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.31 | MiXu- | Isn't the minimum frequency 125MHz to begin with? :o |
| 09:00.44 | cehteh | no 250 is |
| 09:00.47 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes - that only exposes frequencies that are allowed. |
| 09:00.51 | MiXu- | Oh, ok |
| 09:01.04 | cehteh | 125 is configured but the production units kernels dont allow that |
| 09:01.13 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: note the absence of 125, 900, and 1700MHz |
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| 09:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | moroning |
| 09:03.23 | cehteh | :) |
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| 09:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
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| 09:08.52 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: ~/maemo/kernel-source/drivers/cpufreq |
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| 09:21.17 | jacekowski | N900 is a rx51? |
| 09:21.21 | jacekowski | or rx71? |
| 09:21.24 | MiXu- | rx51 |
| 09:21.25 | nidO | 51 |
| 09:22.15 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 09:23.03 | jacekowski | so what is it that rx71? |
| 09:23.03 | nidO | where? |
| 09:23.03 | MiXu- | something unreleased |
| 09:23.03 | jacekowski | in kernel sources |
| 09:23.17 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.26 | jacekowski | quite old as well |
| 09:24.02 | MiXu- | There's talk about RX-71 in tmo |
| 09:24.05 | MiXu- | too bad it's down |
| 09:24.11 | nidO | its not |
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| 09:24.17 | nidO | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27262 |
| 09:24.21 | MiXu- | It is for me |
| 09:24.23 | nidO | old thread discussing rx71 |
| 09:24.30 | nidO | doesnt really seem to go anywhere tho |
| 09:24.31 | MiXu- | tmo hasn't worked for me in weeks |
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| 09:28.59 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it looks like it's impossible to change that frequency easily |
| 09:29.06 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you would have to recompile kernel |
| 09:30.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | :P° |
| 09:30.20 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: ~/maemo/kernel-source/arch/arm/mach-omap2/omap3-opp.h |
| 09:30.35 | jacekowski | line 29 |
| 09:30.50 | jacekowski | well, it starts in line 24 |
| 09:31.00 | jacekowski | there is whole struct defining all accepted cpu speeds |
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| 09:32.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | does it have 1700? :P |
| 09:32.52 | jacekowski | no |
| 09:33.15 | jacekowski | there is 125 in one of #define |
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| 09:34.24 | jacekowski | but it looks like it's doing some sort of smooth scaling |
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| 09:37.08 | jacekowski | i wouldn't overclock it without having temperature sensor |
| 09:37.57 | ptl_demands_PR12 | does it have? I have seen some N900 screenshot with temperature |
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| 09:39.27 | jacekowski | there is temperature sensor in cpu |
| 09:39.36 | Edheldil | does it really pay off to gain some % of speed with a vastly increased risk of overheating the phone or battery? |
| 09:39.52 | jacekowski | that theoreticly should cut off clock to cpu if it gets too warm |
| 09:40.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Edheldil: The answer is there's no answer to that question, at least not an agreeable answer |
| 09:41.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | or, the answer is a flamewar. |
| 09:41.19 | jacekowski | Edheldil: have you seen datasheet for cpu inside of n900 |
| 09:41.28 | Edheldil | nope |
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| 09:43.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: is it thermically isolated? |
| 09:43.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | apart from temperature, there is the problem of electron migration, people told me here. |
| 09:43.05 | hrw | morning |
| 09:43.05 | marmoute | electromigration. |
| 09:44.59 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 09:45.03 | Edheldil | would not a better option be underclocking to prolong battery life? :) |
| 09:45.05 | jacekowski | i'm trying to find that datasheet |
| 09:45.13 | jacekowski | and i can't find it now |
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| 09:46.52 | nidO | Edheldil: some people have reported success in underclocking the min freq to 125 and getting better battery life when idle, but some devices also become unstable with a min freq that low |
| 09:47.56 | SpeedEvil | Underclocking is not always directly relevant to battery life. |
| 09:48.03 | nidO | additionally, some people are reporting actually getting slightly better battery life by overclocking the max freq as well, if the phone's just used occasionally as processes can race back to idle more quickly |
| 09:48.04 | SpeedEvil | You really, really want it to be always idle |
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| 09:48.47 | nidO | yeah I think theres some crosstalking there, I assume Edheldil's referring to lowering the min freq, not underclocking the max freq |
| 09:49.10 | Edheldil | yep |
| 09:49.11 | nidO | could be wrong tho :) |
| 09:49.20 | Edheldil | thanks for the info |
| 09:49.30 | ptl_demands_PR12 | first link of electromigration (on ars technica) says that electromigration for overclocking is something of a myth in P2's and it is dependent of temperature |
| 09:49.50 | nidO | in p2's? |
| 09:49.50 | Raafat | Hi, all I have submitted a proposal for Pocket Jeeves project in GSOC, I will be pleased if you provide me with your feedback(s) on the proposal, here you are the link for it http://www.4shared.com/file/259640743/fc9804c7/GSOC_Proposal.html |
| 09:49.59 | Edheldil | temperature being dependent on cfrequency :-P |
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| 09:50.46 | jacekowski | i found it |
| 09:50.48 | jacekowski | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf |
| 09:50.51 | ptl_demands_PR12 | link is http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com%2Fcpu%2Foc-myths-2.html&ei=zKW9S_KRGIP8NfH7ldMH&usg=AFQjCNERFeh7EMUnryMdoE8ASio27FPgnA&sig2=ui5sPFAUoQo2LN1Y9Os12w |
| 09:51.31 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you found what? |
| 09:51.36 | jacekowski | datasheet |
| 09:51.40 | ptl_demands_PR12 | N900's datasheet |
| 09:51.49 | ptl_demands_PR12 | N900's CPU |
| 09:51.55 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes. |
| 09:52.20 | jacekowski | ti website just makes me wanna kill myself |
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| 09:54.17 | jacekowski | page 144 |
| 09:54.25 | jacekowski | PLL can only generate up to 720MHz |
| 09:54.48 | jacekowski | (1) OPP6 frequency range is only supported on high-speed grade OMAP3530/25 devices. |
| 09:54.48 | MiXu- | jacekowski: only supported on high-speed grade OMAP3530/25 devices |
| 09:54.51 | jacekowski | (2) Cannot boot in OPP1. If OPP1 is desired, boot in higher OPP then switch to OPP1. |
| 09:55.00 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: that's assuming you use recommended PLL settings. |
| 09:55.13 | nidO | im having a curry tonight with a guy that works at arm, be interesting to find out if he can get hold of any internal testing info on the chip |
| 09:55.34 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: the PLL settings are typically not enforced - there is no '125MHz' PLL setting - you setup the frac-n synth to produce the correct output frequency. |
| 09:55.37 | SpeedEvil | nidO: Interesting. |
| 09:55.40 | lcuk2 | nidO, you having chips with your curry? :D |
| 09:55.40 | jacekowski | it's just about their definition of supported |
| 09:55.42 | SpeedEvil | nidO: what sort of curry. |
| 09:55.51 | nidO | ill probably be going for a lamb balti! |
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| 09:55.58 | SpeedEvil | Good choice. |
| 09:56.00 | nidO | and lcuk2, ew no. |
| 09:56.11 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's DPLL |
| 09:56.23 | SpeedEvil | err yes - been reading too much on frac-n synths |
| 09:56.45 | SpeedEvil | which are cool, but generally overkill for clock gen |
| 09:56.58 | jacekowski | it might just refuse to accept any unsupproted freq |
| 09:57.07 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't. |
| 09:57.11 | SpeedEvil | It just tries to lock them |
| 09:57.32 | SpeedEvil | At least based on experience of several processors |
| 09:57.47 | SpeedEvil | Basically as the datasheet is - at least somewhat - written after the silicon is produced. |
| 09:58.04 | SpeedEvil | So they don't know the best/stablest settings for the pll till they make one |
| 09:58.17 | SpeedEvil | Also interlocks for aceptable freqs would cost area |
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| 09:59.35 | jacekowski | just stick little bit of microcode on it |
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| 10:01.33 | SpeedEvil | There is lottle point trying to user-proof micros, it just confuses people. |
| 10:02.31 | jacekowski | little* |
| 10:02.52 | jacekowski | http://bunnitude.com/misc/files/omap/pdf/sprufa5.pdf |
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| 10:04.25 | ptl_demands_PR12 | what is this pdf, jacekowski? |
| 10:04.59 | jacekowski | It internally generates two main clocks according to the following equations: |
| 10:04.59 | jacekowski | · CLKOUTX2 = (Fref x 2 x M) / (N+1) |
| 10:05.11 | jacekowski | that pd |
| 10:05.12 | jacekowski | f |
| 10:05.13 | jacekowski | OMAP35xx Applications Processor |
| 10:05.14 | jacekowski | Power, Reset, and Clock Management |
| 10:05.22 | jacekowski | only 400 pages |
| 10:05.27 | Noobmonk3y | sounds geeky to me :) |
| 10:05.52 | timeless_mbp | anyone here happen to use Sampo? |
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| 10:08.35 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ~sampo |
| 10:09.11 | MiXu- | I do, but it's probably not the 'sampo' that you mean. |
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| 10:10.26 | ptl_demands_PR12 | In Finnish mythology, the Sampo was a magical artifact of indeterminate type constructed by Ilmarinen that brought good fortune to its holder |
| 10:10.41 | MiXu- | It's also a man's name. |
| 10:10.54 | MiXu- | ...and a bank |
| 10:10.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | and an insurance company |
| 10:10.58 | MiXu- | and whatnot |
| 10:11.11 | MiXu- | ptl_demands_PR12: Actually it's not an insurance company anymore afaik |
| 10:11.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ok |
| 10:12.16 | timeless_mbp | using a man's name sounds crude |
| 10:12.24 | timeless_mbp | assume i'm unfortunate enough to need to use the bank |
| 10:12.26 | shvedsky_ | MiXu-: so the insurance company that bears a name that brings fortune went bankrupt? |
| 10:13.00 | timeless_mbp | technically afaiu, the banking bit got spun off from the other interests |
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| 10:13.03 | MiXu- | shvedsky_: The insurances are now under the brands "If" and "Mandatum Life" |
| 10:13.10 | timeless_mbp | right⦠so... |
| 10:13.34 | timeless_mbp | is the bank name 'Sampo Bank', 'SAMPO PANKKI', or '00075 SAMPO PANKKI'? |
| 10:13.44 | MiXu- | "Sampo pankki" yes |
| 10:14.01 | MiXu- | www.sampopankki.fi |
| 10:14.08 | timeless_mbp | any idea what the heck the 00075 thing is? |
| 10:14.17 | naxu | post number? |
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| 10:14.36 | timeless_mbp | is that roughly "we're so big, we have our own zip code" ? |
| 10:14.58 | MiXu- | many organizations have their own zip code |
| 10:15.25 | MiXu- | Well not many, but some. :) |
| 10:16.20 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: less than 100? :) |
| 10:16.31 | timeless_mbp | since 00100 is a human zip code |
| 10:16.31 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: probably yes |
| 10:16.36 | timeless_mbp | (mine in fact) |
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| 10:16.59 | timeless_mbp | hi konttori |
| 10:17.05 | timeless_mbp | i'm supposed to bug you about something |
| 10:17.09 | timeless_mbp | but first i need to do banking |
| 10:17.20 | timeless_mbp | and then since there aren't many things certain in life, i need to do taxes... |
| 10:17.37 | Stskeeps | i hope your tax forms comes in english versions too :P |
| 10:17.39 | Stskeeps | cos they don't here |
| 10:17.57 | timeless_mbp | oh, this is US taxes |
| 10:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: well to me that sounds like 125MHz is supported, just you can't boot on that |
| 10:18.47 | timeless_mbp | thinks they come in Spanish, French, probably Chinese, Japanese and Korean |
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| 10:19.00 | MiXu- | I'd hope that 600MHz is used on bootup. |
| 10:19.10 | MiXu- | Makes things much faster |
| 10:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: WTF? nope |
| 10:19.27 | MiXu- | Why not? |
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| 10:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | no system ever boots up in a high clock rate. You always set higher clock *during* boot |
| 10:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's sane common sense best practice for all I've learnt so far |
| 10:21.43 | konttori | timeless_mbp: hi |
| 10:21.43 | timeless_mbp | so, to the finns here |
| 10:21.43 | timeless_mbp | how do you burn money you aren't using? |
| 10:21.43 | timeless_mbp | my 'savings' account is earning me 0.04 % |
| 10:21.43 | timeless_mbp | or roughly "absolutely nothing" |
| 10:21.43 | MiXu- | Nice ;) |
| 10:21.43 | MiXu- | Minus taxes |
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| 10:21.44 | timeless_mbp | oh yes |
| 10:21.44 | kirma | you can drink your savings |
| 10:21.44 | timeless_mbp | the taxes part is really cool |
| 10:21.56 | timeless_mbp | one year i think i got ~1 EUR in interest |
| 10:22.04 | MiXu- | Doc: Makes sense. But I was referring to the clock that's used during OS boot. I don't know anything about the low level stuff. |
| 10:22.08 | timeless_mbp | but the taxes were something like 30EURCent |
| 10:22.08 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: They invest it in hard liquor. |
| 10:22.18 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: yeah yeah |
| 10:22.26 | timeless_mbp | but if i don't drink, and want something harder |
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| 10:22.31 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: Yeah, it's 28% tax on interest |
| 10:22.33 | timeless_mbp | with preferably 0.1% interest |
| 10:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: that of course should use highest allowable clockrate |
| 10:22.43 | timeless_mbp | how would i manage that? |
| 10:22.59 | konttori | I put my spare to funds |
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| 10:23.11 | konttori | insurance stock funds mostly |
| 10:23.13 | timeless_mbp | konttori: "how"? |
| 10:23.31 | timeless_mbp | and does it give you 0.08% or 0.1 %? :) |
| 10:23.47 | timeless_mbp | and is it taxed at 60% or 90%? :) |
| 10:23.48 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: I get something like 0,5% at the moment |
| 10:23.52 | konttori | go to bank and setup stock insurance. then agree that you are allowed to transfer funds to that from your usual accounts whenever you please and without comission. |
| 10:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | konttori: Hi! any chance you get a simple value number from hw guys at nokia for us? |
| 10:24.30 | timeless_mbp | "Real-time OMX" ? |
| 10:24.43 | MiXu- | For that 0,5% I need have a savings account with a savings plan. 20e/month currently. :D |
| 10:24.46 | konttori | the 'winning' is taxed at 28% |
| 10:25.20 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: wait is that 0.20 EUR or 20.00 EUR? |
| 10:25.28 | konttori | I'm getting some tens of percents annually, but then again, I'm investing to eastern markets mostly. |
| 10:25.29 | timeless_mbp | hates euro currency notation |
| 10:25.41 | konttori | although, I do have quite global spread |
| 10:25.46 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: 20.00EUR twenty. |
| 10:25.59 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: are you getting more than that in interest each month? |
| 10:26.02 | timeless_mbp | (after taxes) |
| 10:26.42 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: No no no. I put in 20 euros a month. It's my money. I just need to "keep saving" in order to get that interest. |
| 10:26.57 | MiXu- | Even though I can take the money out whenever I want and as often as I want. |
| 10:26.57 | timeless_mbp | oh, it isn't a fee? |
| 10:27.13 | MiXu- | No. I'm not charged for using the account. |
| 10:27.35 | konttori | DocScrutinizer: value, as in what freq to use? Well, I'm on daddy month atm, so cannot ask. I do remember that we were talking about checking possibility to drop the lowest clockrate to 125 for pr1.3, but that was uncertain still at that time. |
| 10:27.45 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: so. I currently have a "Resources Account" |
| 10:27.50 | timeless_mbp | which gives me 0.04 % |
| 10:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | konttori: We would need to know the milliOhms of R1129, R1130, R1140 |
| 10:28.12 | timeless_mbp | there's a "Savings" account which claims to offer 0.2% to 2.00% |
| 10:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | konttori: do you think we could get those values from Nokia EE ? |
| 10:28.14 | konttori | sorry, can't dig those out from my home. |
| 10:28.16 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: But if you're looking for something to put amounts with at least four figures, I'd go with some sort of funds, like konttori said. |
| 10:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | konttori: aah, baby vacation still |
| 10:28.35 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: yeah, we're talking medium 4 figures |
| 10:28.38 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 10:28.43 | crashanddie | 4 figures in a fund? |
| 10:28.46 | crashanddie | Guys, wtf |
| 10:28.57 | MiXu- | Hm? |
| 10:29.01 | crashanddie | 4 to 5 figures should be what you have in your savings account |
| 10:29.07 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: the euro isn't doing well against the usd |
| 10:29.12 | konttori | DocScrutinizer: I would write an email to the devs list. |
| 10:29.20 | MiXu- | I have 208 euros on my savings account at the moment ;) |
| 10:29.20 | timeless_mbp | otherwise i'd send it to the US and pull it into paypal and get better interest |
| 10:30.15 | timeless_mbp | > Savings Account |
| 10:30.19 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 10:30.20 | timeless_mbp | > The account is not suitable for everyday banking because of it's transaction fees. |
| 10:30.34 | crashanddie | nice grammar mistake |
| 10:30.36 | timeless_mbp | The account is not suitable for native speakers because the idiots writing the text can't spell "its" correctly |
| 10:31.53 | crashanddie | I don't understand why banks still bother differentiating between savings and current accounts |
| 10:32.26 | crashanddie | Historically speaking, the high transaction fees existed because the money was physically sent elsewhere, but now it's all digital |
| 10:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | konttori: thanks :-) |
| 10:32.32 | nidO | because they dont want to pay lots of interest to everyone's normal monthly money in-out |
| 10:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^^ |
| 10:32.45 | crashanddie | nidO: nha, bollocks |
| 10:32.47 | timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/713723 |
| 10:32.59 | nidO | oh, its bollocks? you think banks like paying interest? |
| 10:32.59 | timeless_mbp | the only error camino found in the actual agreement is fulfilment |
| 10:33.07 | MiXu- | The money that's on people's normal accounts is basically a free loan for banks |
| 10:33.12 | crashanddie | nidO: on my current account I have 3% interest for everything above 1000 gbp |
| 10:33.13 | nidO | exactly. |
| 10:33.30 | nidO | yes, and only above 1000 gbp, and bugger all banks offer that |
| 10:33.46 | timeless_mbp | nidO: this account won't give me more than 2% ! |
| 10:33.50 | crashanddie | nidO: it used to be from 0, but well, banks getting squashed and all... Still, doesn't change much |
| 10:34.16 | nidO | banks dont want to pay interest unless they have to, so most just stick with the status quo of paying bugger all / nothing to current accounts, so that they have people's £700-2000 wages a month as a free loan to them |
| 10:34.47 | crashanddie | Except it's pretty low-risk for customers |
| 10:37.27 | crashanddie | When you're young, so 20-30, basically every spare penny should go into high-risk, high-payout medium-length investments |
| 10:37.44 | crashanddie | this can be a friend's company, a deal from your bank, or stock |
| 10:38.27 | MiXu- | My next investment will be an apartment. Money well spent. |
| 10:38.33 | timeless_mbp | so⦠a money market? |
| 10:38.36 | nidO | my last investment was an apartment |
| 10:38.42 | nidO | my bank account doesnt like me for it :( |
| 10:38.44 | timeless_mbp | emerging equity market? |
| 10:38.53 | timeless_mbp | nidO: eh, why? |
| 10:38.58 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: a second one? |
| 10:39.04 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: A first one. |
| 10:39.06 | nidO | because its now much sadder than it was before i bought it :P |
| 10:39.13 | MiXu- | I haven't even graduated yet ;) |
| 10:39.22 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: i've already done that part |
| 10:39.29 | timeless_mbp | i'm now at the next stage |
| 10:39.33 | MiXu- | ah, I see |
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| 10:39.44 | timeless_mbp | hence my need to burn money faster |
| 10:40.01 | GAN900 | chuckles at luke-jr's ideas about traffic safety. |
| 10:40.02 | timeless_mbp | in the past, i would give away ~6kEUR to one random person each year |
| 10:40.05 | nidO | a 2nd apartment then! |
| 10:40.10 | MiXu- | I'd go with low-risk funds |
| 10:40.13 | _llll_ | invest in your pension |
| 10:40.19 | timeless_mbp | _llll_: in finland? |
| 10:40.24 | timeless_mbp | do i even *have* a pension? |
| 10:40.51 | _llll_ | oh, foreign :p |
| 10:41.01 | nidO | then setup a pension and invest in it? |
| 10:41.24 | _llll_ | if you dont have a pension then getting one is proabbly the best thing you could do |
| 10:41.25 | timeless_mbp | nidO: in EUR or USD? |
| 10:41.33 | _llll_ | YUAN |
| 10:41.34 | lcuk2 | timeless would rather sip bacardi on the tropical finnish beaches |
| 10:41.40 | nidO | I dont have a private pension yet :< |
| 10:41.41 | timeless_mbp | because atm the EUR is doing badly against the USD |
| 10:41.52 | timeless_mbp | which means now is a bad time for me to buy a USD backed pension |
| 10:42.04 | _llll_ | well a pension is presmably a long-term investment |
| 10:42.11 | _llll_ | so what they are doing now is irrelevant |
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| 10:42.24 | _llll_ | unless you plan on retireing in the next 5 years |
| 10:42.45 | _llll_ | in which case, go for the bacardi option |
| 10:42.56 | nidO | absolutely avoid land banks though |
| 10:43.03 | MiXu- | It's not irrelevant. Because you will likely lose money *now*, if you buy dollars with euros. |
| 10:43.10 | naxu | tropic in Finland needs it more climate change than is currently visible |
| 10:43.22 | naxu | bit more |
| 10:43.48 | GAN900 | 1.2GHz? These people are insane. |
| 10:44.03 | timeless_mbp | since i can sit on my EUR now and buy USD later, there's no reason for me to buy USD now |
| 10:44.07 | lcuk2 | you just have to drive device at 88mph |
| 10:44.20 | timeless_mbp | konttori: what's the smallest unit you'd buy in a fund? |
| 10:44.22 | _llll_ | you could also invest in gold or even wine |
| 10:44.25 | timeless_mbp | 500EUR? |
| 10:44.55 | nidO | gold is a reasonable investment, kinda missed the boat for making a killing out of it tho |
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| 10:45.20 | timeless_mbp | is trying to figure out how T and K funds differ in Sampo's ui |
| 10:46.00 | timeless_mbp | javascript:papirdetaljer('FI0008803986%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20AK%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FI0008803986') EUR 17.55742 07.04.2010 0.00 0.00 % |
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| 10:46.41 | timeless_mbp | javascript:papirdetaljer('FI0008810981%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20AK%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FI0008810981') EUR 1.11622 07.04.2010 0.00 0.00 % |
| 10:46.41 | timeless_mbp | javascript:papirdetaljer('FI0008810999%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20AK%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FI0008810999') EUR 1.28649 07.04.2010 0.00 0.00 % |
| 10:46.50 | timeless_mbp | anyone have any idea what those T and Ks are? |
| 10:47.10 | SpeedEvil | ? |
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| 10:47.23 | konttori | timeless_mbp: well, I have automated couple huldred per month + I sometimes add some thousands on top of that, but I think the smallest possible for those savings / insurance funds was 50 euros. |
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| 10:47.44 | timeless_mbp | i can't even figure out how to create an account |
| 10:48.06 | timeless_mbp | Custody accounts |
| 10:48.06 | timeless_mbp | No custody account for this agreement |
| 10:48.20 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: T and K? |
| 10:48.35 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: see the 4 listed lines above |
| 10:48.49 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I don't see any Ts or Ks |
| 10:49.02 | timeless_mbp | DI India [TK] ... |
| 10:49.05 | konttori | timeless_mbp: go to a bank and ask for advise |
| 10:49.30 | timeless_mbp | arg, it's too close to 2pm |
| 10:49.30 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I just see a bunch of javascript |
| 10:49.35 | konttori | but dont use savings accounts |
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| 10:49.54 | timeless_mbp | konttori: great |
| 10:49.54 | konttori | goes for a walk with Emilia |
| 10:50.08 | timeless_mbp | so i just wasted time creating a useless account and burning account transfers? |
| 10:50.13 | timeless_mbp | hates this stuff |
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| 10:59.22 | mece | WOOOW! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcv6dv_pixels-by-patrick-jean_creation that video made my day! |
| 11:00.38 | ptl_demands_PR12 | loading video |
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| 11:03.32 | Appiah | anyway to send files via bluetooth on the n900? only place I can find send with bluetooth is if I'm looking at pictures |
| 11:03.50 | jacekowski | hehehhehehehe |
| 11:03.50 | ptl_demands_PR12 | use petrovich |
| 11:03.55 | nidO | either install petrovich, or wait for pr1.2 |
| 11:03.55 | jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=116 |
| 11:03.58 | jacekowski | take look |
| 11:04.04 | jacekowski | google chrome running on N900 |
| 11:04.04 | ptl_demands_PR12 | or wait for PR 1.2 |
| 11:04.07 | jacekowski | native build |
| 11:04.11 | ptl_demands_PR12 | wow |
| 11:04.18 | jacekowski | not using any gentoo/debian chroots |
| 11:04.21 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: have the .deb? |
| 11:04.26 | jacekowski | not yet |
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| 11:04.29 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, thumbs up :) |
| 11:04.31 | jacekowski | i have .tar.gz |
| 11:04.32 | ptl_demands_PR12 | congrats |
| 11:04.43 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, would package it for you if you want |
| 11:04.53 | nidO | would not say no to a package of that |
| 11:04.55 | jacekowski | sure |
| 11:05.02 | nidO | hows it compare to microb performance wise? |
| 11:05.02 | MohammadAG | is currently compiling gparted - entering a dependency loop |
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| 11:05.49 | jacekowski | nidO: don't know yet |
| 11:06.08 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, got any links to the tar.gz? If you don't mind |
| 11:06.38 | hrw | MohammadAG: deploop with gparted? |
| 11:07.03 | MohammadAG | hrw, well atm, configure: error: Your version of libreadline is too old to be used. |
| 11:07.11 | ptl_demands_PR12 | is there a guide to solve the dependencies and issues with scratchbox compiling? I am fighting with debhelper now, by trying to compile libwww-curl-perl. |
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| 11:07.34 | MohammadAG | and for some reason I doubt that's upgradable on the N900 |
| 11:07.43 | MohammadAG | at least not without breaking a dependency or two |
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| 11:08.06 | hrw | it is not dep loop |
| 11:08.32 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Yeah, and I can't compile the most recent debhelper because no matter what I do to override PERL5LIB, it always tries to use devkit's paths. |
| 11:08.44 | MohammadAG | gparted > libparted > libreadline > still to be found.... |
| 11:08.59 | crashanddie | one of my favourite time lapse videos: http://vimeo.com/8525356 |
| 11:09.02 | crashanddie | shame the sound is gone |
| 11:09.02 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: i'm making .deb |
| 11:09.13 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, cool :) |
| 11:09.21 | jacekowski | i just need to read up how to do it for maemo |
| 11:09.26 | jacekowski | stuff should go to /opt? |
| 11:09.45 | jacekowski | and i'm not sure what to do with one required library |
| 11:09.53 | jacekowski | which isn't present |
| 11:09.57 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, package the library |
| 11:10.03 | MohammadAG | then package chrome |
| 11:10.13 | MohammadAG | don't worry about /opt since it's a development build |
| 11:10.15 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.22 | jacekowski | it won't fit on / |
| 11:10.29 | MohammadAG | most of the libraries don't work in /opt but you can try |
| 11:10.35 | MohammadAG | how big is it? |
| 11:10.37 | jacekowski | it's almost 50M after unpacking |
| 11:10.51 | MohammadAG | hmm, try moving it into /opt then |
| 11:10.57 | MohammadAG | maemo-optify is the easiest way |
| 11:11.10 | MohammadAG | (maemo-optify-deb if you have a deb file ready) |
| 11:13.47 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: you can use maemo-optify-deb after packaging |
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| 11:14.20 | lardman | morning |
| 11:14.29 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: do you have any idea how can I compile the most recent debhelper to proceed with my libwww-curl-perl compilation? |
| 11:14.30 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, most of the time it doesn't work with libraries |
| 11:14.40 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: I didn't know that... |
| 11:14.53 | MohammadAG | download the .tar.gz, unpack and compile |
| 11:15.01 | MohammadAG | (I make it sound too easy don't I :P) |
| 11:15.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | tried with the source deb package |
| 11:15.10 | MohammadAG | don't use debs |
| 11:15.16 | MohammadAG | always compile the source |
| 11:15.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | yeah, but I entered the source tree and tried dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:15.33 | ptl_demands_PR12 | that should work, shouldn't it? |
| 11:15.38 | _llll_ | what, why not use the deb? |
| 11:15.39 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I have all build dependencies |
| 11:15.42 | mece | crashanddie, that video makes the digger look really cute somehow. |
| 11:15.48 | MohammadAG | Joikuspt updated |
| 11:15.50 | _llll_ | debuild is a good command |
| 11:15.57 | lardman | is TMO down? |
| 11:16.03 | MohammadAG | _llll_, if it's a debian build you'll most likely break dependencies |
| 11:16.12 | crashanddie | mece: yeah, it seems extremely gentle... reminds me of dog in Half Life 2 |
| 11:16.21 | lardman | hmm, I appear to have lost my admin privs too, ah well |
| 11:16.24 | mece | nope |
| 11:16.33 | mece | err.. |
| 11:16.34 | MohammadAG | (which would break mp-fremantle-generic-pr on the N900 - breaking SSU) |
| 11:16.37 | _llll_ | break dependencies? |
| 11:16.41 | mece | lardman, no, it's not down |
| 11:16.52 | nidO | its not right now |
| 11:16.54 | lardman | ah, must be my connection then |
| 11:16.59 | lardman | working again now, thanks |
| 11:17.00 | nidO | but it's been yoyoing up and down for the past hour or two |
| 11:17.07 | MohammadAG | _llll_, if it uses a debian dependency (not one build for maemo), the dependency will be upgraded, breaking SSU |
| 11:17.19 | MohammadAG | if you don't mind breaking SSU, go ahead |
| 11:17.27 | MohammadAG | if you compiled the deb, no problem in using it |
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| 11:17.38 | _llll_ | not following... i thought he wanted to build the debhelper package |
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| 11:18.56 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, did you get the deb from the debian repositories or did you build it? |
| 11:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? 50MB lib?! libboost or what? |
| 11:19.07 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:19.45 | crashanddie | timeless: you still work for Nokia? |
| 11:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | always thought optification is done in a postinstall script |
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| 11:20.24 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: from the ubuntu repositories, apt-get source |
| 11:20.32 | Noobmonk3y | is tmo down again? :( |
| 11:20.32 | crashanddie | A very good read, send this to the Nokia UI crew too: http://fontfeed.com/archives/ipad-typography/ |
| 11:20.35 | crashanddie | timeless: ^ |
| 11:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | I recommend to rename libboost to libbust |
| 11:20.38 | nidO | on holiday 2 hours and on your phone + irc already Noobmonk3y? |
| 11:20.41 | nidO | also, yes |
| 11:20.45 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, then you built the deb? if so, there's no problem when using it |
| 11:20.47 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
| 11:21.00 | timeless | looks up |
| 11:21.07 | Noobmonk3y | lol nidO waiting for a few peeps b4 we leave |
| 11:21.10 | mece | http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/nokia_n900_paasee_kovaan_kayttoon |
| 11:21.15 | timeless | sp... |
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| 11:21.28 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, update joikuspot |
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| 11:21.30 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: no, I couldn't, because when running the debhelper setup, it stops because it seems to use old libraries from the current debhelper |
| 11:21.37 | mece | Noobmonk3y, no, it's just you. |
| 11:21.41 | Noobmonk3y | joiku update today? |
| 11:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | and why would a properly linked lib in opt/ not work? |
| 11:21.44 | timeless | sampo tells me theykhave a savings account that offers 1.5pct instead of 0.2pct |
| 11:21.55 | Noobmonk3y | just on 3g atm |
| 11:21.56 | timeless | they just sell it "under the table" |
| 11:22.09 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, well try using the deb, although I doubt it'll work |
| 11:22.10 | timeless | i'm so glad to discover i bank with a dishonest bank |
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| 11:22.37 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/e1fXx3Va |
| 11:22.43 | ptl_demands_PR12 | using the deb? which deb? |
| 11:22.51 | mece | timeless, which bank is that? |
| 11:22.57 | timeless | sampopankki |
| 11:23.12 | Noobmonk3y | meh arn't all banks useless? |
| 11:23.12 | crashanddie | sounds dodgy |
| 11:23.21 | mece | timeless, ok, not mine then :) Although there's no doubt mine is dishonest too. |
| 11:23.25 | crashanddie | I'm very happy with my bank :) |
| 11:23.34 | crashanddie | There's two kinds of people |
| 11:23.47 | crashanddie | Those who have bank/money problems |
| 11:23.48 | mece | I'm going to a childrens playground with FC Inter, sponsored by my bank today :D |
| 11:23.52 | crashanddie | And those who have tax problems. |
| 11:23.52 | mece | go figure |
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| 11:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | I thought there are 10 kinds of people |
| 11:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | the ones that can read binary, and those who cant |
| 11:24.22 | nidO | there are if you're trying to be funny a decade ago |
| 11:24.22 | crashanddie | there were** |
| 11:24.50 | mece | I thought it was 2 kinds: "Idiots and me" |
| 11:25.03 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, that was poor........ |
| 11:25.41 | crashanddie | timeless: PM |
| 11:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | you didn't like it? so sorry |
| 11:25.52 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 11:25.55 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, luke-jr, DocScrutinizer: I think on N8x0 you can actually do pretty nasty things to the battery. When digging mailing lists I came across almost no info, except someone found the register by which to set the proportion of on/off on the charging PWM, which is basically all the info you need to unleash the device's full go-boom potential... On N900 there is an actual, real, and sensible charger, that apart from implementing the proper charging alg |
| 11:26.02 | ShadowJK | orithm itself, also has overcurrent, overvoltage and bad input voltage protection/rejection.. so I don't see either how you'd make it do anything stupid |
| 11:26.06 | ptl_demands_PR12 | there are 2 kinds of people, people who classify people as two kinds and people who do not (this is from the Murphy's Law book) |
| 11:26.15 | mece | aaaggaa |
| 11:26.19 | mece | er |
| 11:26.22 | mece | aahaha I means |
| 11:26.34 | mece | now itmo is down apparently. |
| 11:26.36 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: thought so |
| 11:26.36 | mece | tmo |
| 11:26.50 | Surfa | ptl_demands_PR12, what if someone classifies people on one day and doesn't on the next? |
| 11:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks. My words though |
| 11:27.03 | Surfa | which group does he belon to? |
| 11:27.07 | Surfa | +g |
| 11:27.09 | nidO | Surfa: people can change. |
| 11:27.23 | Surfa | but on the whole, which group is correct for him? |
| 11:27.39 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Surfa: it just change groups by time, no big deal |
| 11:27.45 | mece | jacekowski, did you modify anything to build chrome? |
| 11:27.52 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: I think you'll find murphy was of the people with tax issues... |
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| 11:28.15 | crashanddie | and btw, you can see that category very easily in here |
| 11:28.24 | crashanddie | there's people with macs |
| 11:28.26 | Surfa | ptl_demands_PR12, well, some logical issues there.. but never mind |
| 11:28.33 | t-tan | ptl_demands_PR12: use the debhelper7 package |
| 11:28.38 | crashanddie | and then there's the tightasses that went for "I'm a PC" |
| 11:28.50 | ShadowJK | So the reason bme is closed right now, for N900, I could guess from the bme charge state reporting and from the leaked schematics... The charge reporting is too different from bq27200's reporting, and it's too good to be based on voltage readings from bq27200... I note that from the leaked schematics, cellmo side gazoo has access to the required information for charge metering... So my guess is that bme talks to the cellphone side of N900, and this is pro |
| 11:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so why not put exactly this statement on devel ML? |
| 11:28.56 | ShadowJK | bably the biggest obstacle? |
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| 11:30.00 | ShadowJK | And then it's an open question what happens if you don't have bme shut down the device in a timely manner, does similar stuff happen on N900 as did on SmartQ? :) |
| 11:30.03 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: doesn't this technically mean that we can make a open bme but with different reading? |
| 11:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | what happened on SmartQ? |
| 11:30.45 | nidO | gotta love battery-eye |
| 11:30.57 | nidO | my n900's battery level has been going up for the past 4 hours according to it |
| 11:30.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | t-tan: wow, that was something I just slipped. Thanks very much. Nevertheless, I'd still like to solve issues like that, do you have a guide or directions? |
| 11:31.48 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, yes, yes it does |
| 11:31.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | make: dh: Command not found |
| 11:32.14 | ptl_demands_PR12 | and I can't install make-dh, no candidate. |
| 11:32.21 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, and it can be implemented in busybox sh script |
| 11:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: btw to all my understanding bq27200 should be better/more accurate than any bme-algo wrt capacity tracking of a standard battery |
| 11:32.44 | ShadowJK | kinda |
| 11:32.53 | ShadowJK | it has some setup issues... |
| 11:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | after a proper learning cycle |
| 11:33.06 | ShadowJK | and we can't afaik tweak the eeprom |
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| 11:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | neh, we can't afaik. As it needs 20V progvoltage |
| 11:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | at least for bq27000 that's the problem iirc |
| 11:34.31 | Stskeeps | so, 'open |
| 11:34.36 | Stskeeps | ' charging on n900 would be safe? |
| 11:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | open what? |
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| 11:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | ticket? |
| 11:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | thread? |
| 11:35.18 | Kurppa_ | Open charging. |
| 11:35.22 | Stskeeps | as in, no matter what instructions you sent to the chips, it would not kill the battery? |
| 11:35.25 | ebzzry | Hi! Using the built-in, sliding, physical keyboard of the N900, how can I input characters like an asterisk? |
| 11:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: yep, almost |
| 11:35.47 | Stskeeps | what's the 'almost'? |
| 11:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | there's exactly one setting that's a bit fishy |
| 11:36.03 | nidO | ebzzry: asterisk is fn a |
| 11:36.22 | ebzzry | nidO: I want to do it in a contact details window, in the number area. |
| 11:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | that's maximum charge voltage which can go as high as 4V4x, which is a bit above the commonly used 4V2 |
| 11:36.53 | nidO | ebzzry: then its just a |
| 11:37.01 | t-tan | ptl_demands_PR12: what is the issue? I just joined the channel |
| 11:37.15 | ebzzry | nidO: Hmm, that did it. Thanks |
| 11:37.34 | ptl_demands_PR12 | t-tan: http://pastebin.com/e1fXx3Va |
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| 11:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | my guess is the cell used in a standard Nokia battery for N900 would stand that voltage for quite a while, but wpould wear rapidly |
| 11:38.57 | t-tan | ptl_demands_PR12: all those issues are solved in debhelper7 |
| 11:39.08 | Stskeeps | so, can you propose a charging algorithm and make a proof of why this will not blow up a battery? :P |
| 11:39.20 | nidO | iv been wondering for a while exactly what design constraint limits the bl-5j to 1320mah :( |
| 11:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | but still you need to set this very intentionally, and no closed source will stop a user from messing with I2C directly to do that, even without noticing maybe |
| 11:39.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | t-tan: I installed it, should I uninstall the regular debhelper? I think it'll try to install maemo-dev or something like that |
| 11:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: we basically got no charging algorithm, and we don't need such an algorithm. It's all in hardware |
| 11:40.43 | t-tan | ptl_demands_PR12: no, they can coexist. you need to add two lines in your rules file to use it (see pkg description) |
| 11:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: and the proof for that is simply the bq24140 datasheet |
| 11:41.14 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ok |
| 11:41.43 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, on N8x0 the charge voltage can spike to 4.4, at around 4.5 bme does abort() and the device reboots.. and since N8x0 hardware is incapable of proper charge current management, a battery with very high internal resistance causes N8x0 to enter reboot loops on charger :) |
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| 11:42.12 | timeless | shadowjk: nice |
| 11:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 11:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | obviously N810 bat mgmt is abyssmal crap |
| 11:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | hw wise |
| 11:42.52 | Khertan | Hi guys ! |
| 11:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's the reason for BME heritage |
| 11:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | (damn I said same words before) |
| 11:43.28 | ShadowJK | So I didn't realize at first why this was happening, I just saw bme dying, so I thought I'll just run it from the shell in a god damn while true; bme ; done ... hour later i discoverd a very hot N810 :) |
| 11:43.35 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: so the charging voltage stuff is public knowledge? |
| 11:43.37 | timeless | can this happen w/ an official nokia battery? |
| 11:43.40 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, yes |
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| 11:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: yes |
| 11:43.46 | Yggdrasill | hello |
| 11:44.06 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 11:44.14 | jacekowski | how to add shortcut to menu? |
| 11:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: (bootloop?) yes |
| 11:44.54 | X-Fade | IR of the lipo will increase over time/cycles. |
| 11:44.58 | Kegetys | I think my N810 is in that state, when its sitting on the charger it randomly reboots |
| 11:45.00 | timeless | jacewoski: power menu? |
| 11:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yikes. The selfdestruct script |
| 11:45.09 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yep :) |
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| 11:45.15 | Kegetys | good to know its probably just the battery :P |
| 11:45.25 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, needless to say, I am no longer using that battery. Ever |
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| 11:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: same here o.O DUH |
| 11:46.17 | jacekowski | timeless: i mean in a .dev |
| 11:46.19 | jacekowski | .deb |
| 11:46.20 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: so, cooking it down, you can make a description of how to charge a n900 battery safely using public information and provide statements why it is safe? |
| 11:46.32 | Stskeeps | and where the pitfalls are and why this is already public info |
| 11:46.33 | timeless | shadowjk: did you send it to nokia? |
| 11:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: yep, I can |
| 11:46.50 | ShadowJK | timeless, the battery? Past its 6 month warranty. |
| 11:46.54 | timeless | jacekowski: what kind of "menu"? and when? |
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| 11:47.26 | jacekowski | hildon menu |
| 11:47.30 | jacekowski | i'm making a package |
| 11:47.36 | jacekowski | and i want app to appear in menu |
| 11:47.46 | timeless | what "menu"? |
| 11:47.58 | Khertan | I ve also got a battery which was hot during charge on my n810 ... the original one ... and it also prevent back cover to be close |
| 11:48.10 | Khertan | as the battery grow in size :) |
| 11:48.14 | timeless | is this the icon view@that ets people run apps like "Web"? |
| 11:48.22 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: might be useful to note that the situation is completely different than in n8x0 |
| 11:48.37 | ShadowJK | Khertan, that is dangerous |
| 11:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | hheget vrid of that pregnant battery - then duck and cover ;-P |
| 11:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | shit |
| 11:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | Khertan: get rid of... |
| 11:49.01 | Khertan | ShadowJK : Clearly ... |
| 11:49.20 | Khertan | I ve return it to a nokia repair shop |
| 11:49.30 | ShadowJK | Pregnant teens, pregnant batteries, I don't know which one is the bigger accident |
| 11:49.38 | Khertan | lol ! |
| 11:49.48 | timeless | if the battery miscaries... |
| 11:50.09 | Khertan | hum pregnant battery could burn ... and fix the pregnant teens issue |
| 11:50.19 | lcuk | hope it doesnt - khertan will be paying paternity to duracell for the rest of his life |
| 11:50.21 | Khertan | before the problem happens |
| 11:50.24 | lcuk | all for one night of passion with a AA |
| 11:50.31 | Khertan | lol |
| 11:50.41 | Khertan | Salut lcuk ! |
| 11:50.51 | lcuk | \o |
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| 11:52.00 | Khertan | is looking at what toppic is hot since one week on t.m.o |
| 11:52.13 | crashanddie | lol: http://revision3.com/oneoff/unboxpornipad |
| 11:52.28 | crashanddie | salut Khertan, yo lcuk |
| 11:52.36 | MiXu- | crashanddie: 404 |
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| 11:52.45 | Khertan | hum .... 1.1 Ghz overclock |
| 11:52.46 | Khertan | lol |
| 11:52.55 | Khertan | Hi crashanddie |
| 11:53.39 | hrw | Khertan: beagleboard kernel has even 1.2GHz step |
| 11:53.44 | Khertan | some didn't fear to not have children with a such overclocked device in the pocket |
| 11:53.50 | crashanddie | MiXu-: sorry: http://revision3.com/unboxingporn |
| 11:54.00 | MiXu- | alright, that works :) |
| 11:54.12 | Khertan | hrw: yep ... but beagleboard doesn t stay in your pocket |
| 11:54.16 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:54.27 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, SmartQ has a Sandisk emmc that autobricks itself if the voltage drops too low. There were some casualties.. |
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| 11:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA |
| 11:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, proper lowvolt emergency shutdown isn't exactly a BME domain anyway |
| 11:56.07 | ShadowJK | I always knew Sandisk were full of shit, but I never quite realized the depths of it :) |
| 11:56.22 | SpeedEvil | wonders on RFI from CPU at 900, and GSM at 900 |
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| 11:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: good point |
| 11:56.51 | timeless | thanks someone for the font-iPad article |
| 11:56.59 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh that's an interesting topic actually, I'm not sure if N900 has a hardware cutoff |
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| 11:57.06 | timeless | will try to pass it on internally |
| 11:57.18 | ShadowJK | L3&L4, iirc, only says Gaia will prevent startup on low voltage |
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| 11:57.54 | SpeedEvil | font-ipad? |
| 11:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: GAIA |
| 11:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | should do that via kernel (probably apmd / acpid) |
| 11:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | CPU should get an IRQ on lowvolt detect, which I guess is GAIA's job |
| 11:59.31 | ShadowJK | Oh wait, it does say GAIA Cutoff voltage 2.7V |
| 11:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:59.53 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: when you have the package ready, please share... I am surely interested :) |
| 12:01.00 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, so when LCD runs on 2.8V, and µSD 1.8-3.0..? :) |
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| 12:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-) the wonders of auto-stepup/down converters |
| 12:01.48 | ShadowJK | this is more of a "No BME at all" territory though |
| 12:02.28 | ShadowJK | oh I didn't know gaia did stepup :) |
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| 12:04.37 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: it's ready |
| 12:04.44 | jacekowski | i'm sending it to my server |
| 12:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure about it, but very probably it does |
| 12:04.49 | jacekowski | and i need somebody to test it |
| 12:05.10 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 12:05.14 | jacekowski | hildon failed me |
| 12:05.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: do you have ARMEL and X86 deb's or only ARMEL? |
| 12:05.50 | jacekowski | only armel |
| 12:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | btw if somebody missed it: very smae bq24150 battery charger chip also *definitely* is able to provide VBUS 5V for a potential USB hostmode |
| 12:06.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | If it's optified, I can test it right now |
| 12:06.10 | ShadowJK | I wonder how long until, or if dsme would at all notice a killall -STOP bme_RX-51 :) |
| 12:06.16 | jacekowski | it's optified |
| 12:06.25 | ptl_demands_PR12 | can you /dcc send it to me? |
| 12:06.27 | jacekowski | i'm not sure why there is no icon in menu |
| 12:06.35 | jacekowski | i can http send it to you |
| 12:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: it's easy to test |
| 12:06.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ok |
| 12:06.47 | ptl_demands_PR12 | not even the blue icon? |
| 12:06.53 | jacekowski | but it has to finish uploading |
| 12:06.54 | jacekowski | no |
| 12:06.55 | ptl_demands_PR12 | there's a bug of icons not updating after installing |
| 12:06.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | oh... |
| 12:07.13 | jacekowski | but it's probably my fault |
| 12:07.43 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh do you have any idea what bme would do with the adc on gaia? afaict gaia's madc driver is open and documented.. I'm just not sure what bme uses it for :) |
| 12:08.13 | ShadowJK | Oh right, battery temperature sensor |
| 12:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: Stskeeps: (hostmode) so for all I can guess USB host mode on N900 actually *is possible* |
| 12:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: EXACTLY |
| 12:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | oops capslock |
| 12:09.51 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, GAIA ADCIN0 --> BTEMP "R1110 10K", GAIA ADCIN4 --> BSI |
| 12:09.53 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 12:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
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| 12:10.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | what? |
| 12:10.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | but isn't it physically impossible? |
| 12:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: huh? |
| 12:10.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I find it weird that it's missing kernel stuff, since hostmode in the beagleboard is working OK afaik? |
| 12:11.06 | ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: isn't USB Host mode dependent on hardware that is not there? |
| 12:11.12 | ShadowJK | just means the battery temp sensor is on-device... probably behind one of those metal springs under the battery |
| 12:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: see above statement - it contains all the info |
| 12:12.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | [09:05:53] <DocScrutinizer> btw if somebody missed it: very smae bq24150 battery charger chip also *definitely* is able to provide VBUS 5V for a potential USB hostmode |
| 12:12.08 | ptl_demands_PR12 | this one? |
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| 12:13.09 | tackat_ | http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=95 < Marble 'N Maemo |
| 12:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: jury still is out on 1707 PHY chip switching the pullup-R for device mode to the pulldowns for hostmode (or was it other way round?), but hostmode *can* work without that switching |
| 12:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: yes, plus this one: [2010-04-08 14:08:15] <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: Stskeeps: (hostmode) so for all I can guess USB host mode on N900 actually *is possible* |
| 12:13.56 | C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: can haz host mode? |
| 12:14.29 | C-S-B-N900 | solder free host mode? |
| 12:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | mere sw issue |
| 12:15.04 | C-S-B-N900 | is fed up of solder after he burnt his little finger jtagging a 360 for someone. |
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| 12:15.28 | C-S-B-N900 | well if it is sw only, what reason is there for nokia not including. |
| 12:15.41 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: jacekowski.org/maemo/ |
| 12:15.46 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: both .debs |
| 12:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | cert. It's not conforming all the mandatory standards |
| 12:15.56 | nidO | woot, archos got returned finally |
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| 12:16.04 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: but i need somebody to tell me why it doesn't like my .desktop file |
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| 12:17.27 | MiXu- | I should solder a bit today |
| 12:17.30 | C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: well good find. :) |
| 12:17.41 | C-S-B-N900 | Ill assume its just a bit flip? |
| 12:17.46 | jacekowski | anybody here familiar with hildon desktop and .desktop files? |
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| 12:17.52 | MiXu- | My car's central locking system probably has some damaged leads that need soldering :P |
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| 12:18.28 | C-S-B-N900 | MiXu-: diy, my finger is in recovery |
| 12:19.02 | nidO | say, hows your job hunt going |
| 12:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: a little bit more than that. You need the proper hostmode kernel drivers, and you need some cruft which probably was planned to go to bme but is missing for same reasons as the kerneldrivers |
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| 12:19.43 | C-S-B-N900 | nidO: havent really pushed much as I have interview tomoz. |
| 12:19.53 | C-S-B-N900 | overpaid wintel support role. |
| 12:20.09 | nidO | overpaid jobs suck when im not doing them :( |
| 12:20.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: thanks! will get |
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| 12:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, USB is basically no directional bus, it can talk and listen to the differential D+/- line in host and device mode in the same way. So it's just a question of the driver to 'talk host' |
| 12:21.28 | C-S-B-N900 | nidO: ukfast never got back to me. |
| 12:21.33 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: don't install it yet |
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| 12:21.40 | nidO | dickheads |
| 12:21.42 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: my hildon desktop just died |
| 12:21.50 | C-S-B-N900 | lol,strong but yeah. |
| 12:21.54 | jacekowski | and i'm not sure if it's related |
| 12:22.09 | C-S-B-N900 | nidO: when is your comapny opening a slot? |
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| 12:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | all above without any waranty. It's just how I understand things work |
| 12:23.04 | C-S-B-N900 | thanks DocScrutinizer, i appreciate the research. |
| 12:23.29 | nidO | C-S-B-N900: no idea on specifics, probably going to be needing more staff inside of 4-6 months though |
| 12:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | away to get a N900 |
| 12:25.07 | C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: a new one? |
| 12:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | yup, need one to play with to bring free bme and hostmode to you, another one for actual phone usage |
| 12:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | s/free bme/bme-free ;-P |
| 12:27.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: ok |
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| 12:27.31 | C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: are ypu rich. |
| 12:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | nope, I'm totally broke |
| 12:28.13 | C-S-B-N900 | as I cant see how, with gay abandon, one can just "get another n900" |
| 12:28.51 | nidO | well if one was inclined, one could buy the one that fake broke, he offered to sell that for next to nothing |
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| 12:29.09 | nidO | works fine other than him smashing the lcd, and thats cheap to replace |
| 12:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, no food, and ultranice guy who's appreciating what I do |
| 12:29.18 | nidO | or just leave as-is, if it's purely a dev device |
| 12:29.55 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: maybe your desktop file is too fancy, you might try to trim it down... or maybe it's not the right location, I see that there aren't many .desktop files in /usr/share/applications |
| 12:30.58 | jacekowski | there is more in /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 12:31.04 | jacekowski | and i moved it there on my phone |
| 12:31.07 | C-S-B-N900 | jacekowski: seems like the kind of person to have a fancy desktop file. |
| 12:31.22 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ok |
| 12:31.40 | jacekowski | i moved it to that hildon subfolder |
| 12:31.44 | jacekowski | and changed it to |
| 12:31.55 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/S0S3Dvgn |
| 12:31.57 | jacekowski | on my phone |
| 12:31.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | by 'too fancy' I mean the translations and such |
| 12:32.00 | jacekowski | and it's still no bo |
| 12:32.02 | jacekowski | no go |
| 12:32.19 | jacekowski | i'll try restarting |
| 12:32.33 | jacekowski | maybe it's just watching for new files |
| 12:32.57 | Stskeeps | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcXtT3rZcqg |
| 12:33.46 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: reference please |
| 12:33.48 | jacekowski | i just gave up |
| 12:33.51 | jacekowski | that's not working |
| 12:33.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | :( |
| 12:34.03 | nidO | DocScrutinizer: to fake's n900? |
| 12:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:34.26 | nidO | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=599483&postcount=597 |
| 12:34.43 | nidO | pictures of the broke phone are at |
| 12:34.44 | nidO | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=598104&postcount=583 |
| 12:37.18 | jacekowski | does anybody have any ideas? |
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| 12:37.37 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I don't. :( |
| 12:37.50 | ptl_demands_PR12 | nidO: I ordered his stands |
| 12:37.56 | nidO | same |
| 12:38.06 | ptl_demands_PR12 | but it takes a long time to get to Brazil |
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| 12:38.21 | nidO | mine got to the uk in 3 days, was well impressed |
| 12:38.54 | nidO | tempted to order some more as he's got non-slip acrylic ones now, and a couple of styli as well |
| 12:39.49 | MohammadAG | openssh-server + 24/7 server + scratchbox = compiling on the go :) |
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| 12:49.15 | ShadowJK | grr |
| 12:50.45 | ShadowJK | was having fun unpacking 2 flags, one 2 bit integer and one signed 4bit integer from a byte in bq27200 eeprom, with busybox sh arithmetic, and nano (on device) segfaulted and ate my code >:-( |
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| 12:51.36 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:51.40 | jacekowski | fun fun fun |
| 12:51.48 | jacekowski | i've tried to rename one of .desktop files |
| 12:51.49 | SpeedEvil | I suggest awk |
| 12:52.08 | jacekowski | and it disappeared from hildin |
| 12:52.12 | jacekowski | after simple rename |
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| 12:53.35 | ptl_demands_PR12 | weird |
| 12:53.58 | timeless_mbp | someone remind me to ask crashanddie about fortezza :) |
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| 13:04.46 | jacekowski | fun fun fun |
| 13:04.51 | jacekowski | i've tried different thing |
| 13:05.30 | jacekowski | i've renamed my chrome-browser.desktop to mc.desktop ( that icon already existed ) |
| 13:05.34 | jacekowski | and it worked |
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| 13:05.37 | jacekowski | mc icon is gone |
| 13:05.41 | jacekowski | and it's replaced by chrome |
| 13:05.48 | jacekowski | so WTF? |
| 13:05.58 | andrewfblack | Morning |
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| 13:11.54 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: isn't there something on the development guide? maybe you have to register your desktop file, or something? |
| 13:12.04 | lardman | hmm, has anyone written a control panel plugin to allow transitions, etc., to be disabled? |
| 13:12.48 | lardman | jacekowski: could be a dbus thing, or does chrome come with a dbus service file too? |
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| 13:13.29 | jacekowski | no |
| 13:13.35 | jacekowski | i think i know where is the problem |
| 13:13.42 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.45 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.52 | jacekowski | there is a list of all .desktop files |
| 13:14.02 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: have you tried installing it |
| 13:14.10 | jacekowski | because i might be catorise problem |
| 13:14.21 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: No, because you said I shouldn't |
| 13:14.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I don't use catorise |
| 13:14.43 | ptl_demands_PR12 | should I install? |
| 13:15.03 | lardman | where's this chrome browser then? |
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| 13:15.44 | jacekowski | jacekowski.org/maemo/ |
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| 13:15.49 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: try |
| 13:16.06 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: sure, just a minute, will transfer to my N900 |
| 13:16.10 | lardman | hmm, big, will have to clear some space this evening |
| 13:16.46 | ptl_demands_PR12 | installing it... |
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| 13:18.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | no icon |
| 13:18.00 | lardman | hm, overclocked N900s, how many have bitten the dust so far then? |
| 13:18.02 | ptl_demands_PR12 | let's try rebooting |
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| 13:18.52 | shvedsky_ | (test) can I talk? |
| 13:18.55 | jacekowski | do you have catorise? |
| 13:19.06 | lardman | shvedsky: we can hear you |
| 13:19.35 | shvedsky_ | thx |
| 13:19.35 | lardman | shvedsky_: or rather you |
| 13:19.38 | lardman | ;) |
| 13:19.57 | shvedsky_ | both me, but one is unregistered |
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| 13:20.02 | lcuk | hey lardman |
| 13:20.13 | lardman | hey lcuk, how's things? |
| 13:20.22 | ptl_demands_PR12 | rebooted, no Icon yet, jacekowski. I don't have catorise |
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| 13:21.25 | jacekowski | hmm ok |
| 13:21.28 | jacekowski | uninstall it |
| 13:21.31 | jacekowski | i have new package |
| 13:21.57 | lardman | jacekowski: how well does it perform? |
| 13:22.02 | jacekowski | uploading it |
| 13:22.06 | jacekowski | lardman: don't know yet |
| 13:22.15 | lardman | ah I see :) |
| 13:22.21 | jacekowski | so far i'm fuc**** around with icon |
| 13:22.55 | lcuk | lardman a little more busy than i expected for easter |
| 13:23.49 | lardman | tell me about it |
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| 13:24.13 | lardman | lcuk: family well I trust? |
| 13:25.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | it works well |
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| 13:25.51 | jacekowski | i see the problem |
| 13:26.04 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, where does chrome install? (binary) |
| 13:26.23 | jacekowski | ok |
| 13:26.24 | lcuk | yeah simon :) everyone cool |
| 13:26.26 | jacekowski | there is new package |
| 13:26.29 | jacekowski | same address |
| 13:26.32 | ptl_demands_PR12 | what was the problem? |
| 13:26.35 | jacekowski | updated version |
| 13:26.36 | jacekowski | uninstall it |
| 13:26.39 | jacekowski | and install again |
| 13:26.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: ok |
| 13:26.47 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: there is an issue |
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| 13:26.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: when you fill some fields, by default it uses uppercase |
| 13:27.00 | jacekowski | catorise watches /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 13:27.16 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop watches that too |
| 13:27.19 | ptl_demands_PR12 | so if you are writing posts, you have to keep pressing shift for lowercase |
| 13:27.40 | jacekowski | and but it's only updated when package is installed |
| 13:27.48 | jacekowski | i mean - catorise is updated |
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| 13:28.08 | MohammadAG | moved the .desktop file |
| 13:28.09 | jacekowski | so just moving file from /usr/share/applications/ /usr/share/applications/hildon/ by hand wouldn't work |
| 13:28.19 | jacekowski | with catorise |
| 13:28.29 | jacekowski | i'm not sure how about clean hildon |
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| 13:29.09 | jacekowski | but anyways |
| 13:29.09 | lardman | jacekowski: catorise uses the same paths |
| 13:29.16 | X-Fade | javispedro: ping |
| 13:29.17 | jacekowski | lardman: i know |
| 13:29.26 | lardman | so yes, your icon is in the wrong place atm |
| 13:29.31 | jacekowski | lardman: but catorise is updating icons cache differently |
| 13:29.43 | jacekowski | only when there is file installed by dpkg to /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 13:29.52 | jacekowski | anywas |
| 13:29.58 | jacekowski | i've got to do some work |
| 13:31.06 | javispedro | X-Fade: pong |
| 13:31.37 | X-Fade | javispedro: I have a symbols package with PR1.0 symbols for the critical libs. |
| 13:32.10 | javispedro | aha |
| 13:32.12 | X-Fade | javispedro: If I install those in the rootstrap before trying to build with debian squeeze devkit against PR1.2 builder, this should help work? |
| 13:32.14 | javispedro | generated somehow? |
| 13:32.15 | jacekowski | 1.0 is useless |
| 13:32.28 | X-Fade | - help ;) |
| 13:32.58 | javispedro | maybe you'd need to edit MINVER, need to check on that, but should work |
| 13:33.12 | javispedro | (so that any non found symbol generates a PR1.2 dep) |
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| 13:33.34 | X-Fade | Hmm yeah, not sure how that will work. |
| 13:33.40 | javispedro | hasn't install the squeeze devkit yet |
| 13:33.47 | jacekowski | how to submit a .deb to maemo-extras-devel? |
| 13:33.50 | X-Fade | I installed it on the builder. |
| 13:33.59 | javispedro | X-Fade: there's a remote but not ignorable chance that just installing it might cause a package not to build |
| 13:34.03 | X-Fade | Can be installed next to the old ones. |
| 13:34.05 | javispedro | X-Fade: ouch |
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| 13:34.45 | X-Fade | javispedro: On the host, sbdmock config hasn't changed for the regular builders of course. |
| 13:34.51 | javispedro | ah, nice |
| 13:35.11 | javispedro | X-Fade: could you distribute the symbols files? I'd like to test the stuff locally too |
| 13:35.56 | hrw | X-Fade: do you plan to update those symbols with 1.1/1.2 versions? |
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| 13:35.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: another issue, I could bring the virtual keyboard for symbols like [] {} only the first time, now it doesn't appear anymore and anyway the first symbol i tried wasn't sent to the field I was writing on |
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| 13:43.35 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: this look very promising though, I hope you upload to extras-devel so we can flaunt this to all our Android-using friends. lol |
| 13:44.21 | lardman | cu later chaps |
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| 13:46.27 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: i'm just reading how to send it |
| 13:47.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: nice :D thanks. |
| 13:50.25 | jacekowski | i've sent a request |
| 13:51.59 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 13:52.05 | jacekowski | i would have to upload it to non free |
| 13:53.16 | X-Fade | hrw: This is just a proof of concept, let's see if we can make that work. |
| 13:53.29 | hrw | would be great |
| 13:54.01 | X-Fade | Would not solve all problems, but at least it would be more sane. |
| 13:54.53 | jacekowski | who approves these requests? |
| 13:54.58 | X-Fade | javispedro: me ;) |
| 13:55.07 | X-Fade | ehm jacekowski ^^^ |
| 13:55.15 | jacekowski | can you approve it |
| 13:55.28 | jacekowski | before i go home |
| 13:56.00 | X-Fade | jacekowski: check your mail. |
| 13:56.35 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: is 1.2 squeeze devkit? |
| 13:56.43 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: no |
| 13:56.50 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That is the hack part ;) |
| 13:57.07 | Stskeeps | cos i've seen funky issues with Breaks: and old dpkg |
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| 13:59.11 | X-Fade | Let's see what happens. I rather have it break in extreme cases then with every regular package. |
| 14:00.02 | javispedro | X-Fade: t-tan suggested creating a temporary sbdmock and throwing most -devel packages (at least a selection of dangerous candidates) to it for a test |
| 14:00.34 | X-Fade | javispedro: Yes, I'm setting up a fremantletest build queue on the builder. |
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| 14:01.34 | X-Fade | Not going to setup a repo at the output, will just put them all in a web dir I guess. |
| 14:02.19 | javispedro | for a start the squeeze devkit tends to throw quite a few more warnings about stuff |
| 14:02.24 | javispedro | s/stuff/shlibdeps stuff |
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| 14:02.31 | javispedro | (even without symbols files) |
| 14:03.06 | javispedro | but are pointing potential problems that were already happening even with the older debian devkit, so no problem there (other than the extra verbosity) |
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| 14:03.50 | jacekowski | i'm confused |
| 14:03.54 | jacekowski | dput -f fremantle-extras-devel-non-free PACKAGE_VERSION_*.changes |
| 14:04.07 | jacekowski | nvm |
| 14:04.09 | jacekowski | i'll rtfm |
| 14:04.34 | Scelt | PR1.2? |
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| 14:06.55 | jacekowski | nah |
| 14:07.16 | jacekowski | what is the content of that *changes file? |
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| 14:08.57 | javispedro | (sigh) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/debtest/1.0.2-1/ |
| 14:09.33 | ptl_demands_PR12 | debtest? |
| 14:09.48 | javispedro | someone upload his hello world to -devel :P |
| 14:09.54 | javispedro | *uploaded |
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| 14:21.37 | Stskeeps | i'm amazed at how many deodorant advertisements there are on hulu |
| 14:21.40 | Stskeeps | must be the season |
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| 14:21.49 | bullet` | hello room |
| 14:21.53 | bullet` | any news about the pr12 |
| 14:21.54 | bullet` | ? |
| 14:22.05 | frosty` | yes, but we can't tell you |
| 14:22.12 | bullet` | hehe |
| 14:22.16 | bullet` | ok |
| 14:22.19 | hrw | bullet`: 12 November |
| 14:22.19 | bullet` | i know that news too that no body knows |
| 14:22.20 | MohammadAG | bullet`, pr12? |
| 14:22.27 | bullet` | hehe |
| 14:22.33 | bullet` | just skipped the dot |
| 14:22.51 | MohammadAG | pr12 is coming in 3012 |
| 14:22.57 | frosty` | lol |
| 14:23.00 | bullet` | hehe |
| 14:23.18 | bullet` | what an amazing time it ll be |
| 14:23.23 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 14:23.35 | MohammadAG | the N900 will be running @15GHz |
| 14:23.38 | bullet` | even my brain will support plug n play !! |
| 14:24.04 | MohammadAG | if you live that long :P |
| 14:24.38 | ptl_demands_PR12 | It is said that people usually die only after they reach some objective in life |
| 14:24.41 | bullet` | 15ghz is nothing, by 3000, science would gone reletavity to the processor level ... quantum all the way |
| 14:24.46 | bullet` | every calculation in no time :p |
| 14:25.03 | bullet` | ok than i'm living till 3k |
| 14:25.05 | bullet` | :) |
| 14:25.06 | ptl_demands_PR12 | PR 1.2 is making us get more longevity by locating this objective too far in time |
| 14:25.49 | Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: pr1.2 \o/ |
| 14:26.17 | bullet` | my n900 is really realy not behaving these days |
| 14:26.27 | bullet` | as it knows it needs 1.2 and now refusing to live with 1.1 |
| 14:26.35 | Scelt | me too |
| 14:26.36 | bullet` | the processor usage is going constantly 100% |
| 14:26.39 | Scelt | battery dying |
| 14:26.42 | bullet` | some osso process |
| 14:26.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | mine too, and I can't update 3 apps because of that |
| 14:26.47 | bullet` | no not the battery |
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| 14:27.23 | bullet` | and than that tracke-indexer process |
| 14:27.31 | bullet` | i dont know what these processes want !!! |
| 14:27.32 | bullet` | y now |
| 14:27.57 | lcuk | blood |
| 14:28.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | And that's not justice and love |
| 14:28.02 | ptl_demands_PR12 | that's PR 1.2 |
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| 14:28.04 | ptl_demands_PR12 | They want the same as we want. |
| 14:28.29 | bullet` | yes |
| 14:28.34 | bullet` | the software has evolved !!! |
| 14:29.02 | MohammadAG | actually i think lcuk is right, the N900 has attacked me a couple of times |
| 14:29.25 | bullet` | looks like while i was sleeping and i leave it connect to internet ... my n900 went to internet , saw the jurrasic park, and somehow *understood* that "life finds its way" |
| 14:29.30 | bullet` | sigh |
| 14:29.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: aim for the heart |
| 14:30.04 | bullet` | is n900 going to take over the world |
| 14:30.12 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, location location location |
| 14:30.12 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: look at the datasheets to see where the CPU is located |
| 14:30.16 | MohammadAG | where is it? |
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| 14:30.22 | lcuk | bullet`, it already has |
| 14:30.27 | lcuk | you just havent noticed yet |
| 14:30.42 | bullet` | i'm just starting to notice all this ! |
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| 14:31.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: http://rs359.rapidshare.com/files/357130766/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf ---> N900 schematics |
| 14:31.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | let's find out |
| 14:32.17 | MohammadAG | i think it's on the left side |
| 14:32.25 | MohammadAG | under the keyboard |
| 14:32.32 | bullet` | btw |
| 14:32.44 | bullet` | how many ppl r dual booting n900 here ? |
| 14:33.09 | MohammadAG | i did it some time ago |
| 14:33.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: er |
| 14:33.11 | ptl_demands_PR12 | LOL |
| 14:33.18 | Scelt | bullet`: I only dual boot my gf |
| 14:33.22 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: there's a message from you on the page where I found this pdf |
| 14:33.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/34175-n900-schematics-now-available.html |
| 14:33.42 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, :) |
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| 14:33.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Scelt: which bootloader did you install on your girlfriend? |
| 14:33.56 | bullet` | what is it like dual booting a gf !! |
| 14:34.06 | MohammadAG | petitboot most probably ptl_demands_PR12 |
| 14:34.13 | bullet` | y oh y .. is it called RX51 ???? |
| 14:34.30 | MohammadAG | cause it's from Area-51 |
| 14:34.33 | bullet` | was it decided in the end that this device will be called n900? |
| 14:34.45 | bullet` | internally was it always rx51 ? |
| 14:34.46 | Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: a small one. called fallos |
| 14:34.57 | bullet` | 20k/s download :( |
| 14:34.58 | MohammadAG | RX is ReX |
| 14:35.10 | bullet` | as in trex ? |
| 14:35.15 | hrw | bullet`: 770 was SU-18, n800 was RX-34, n810 was RX-44, n900 is RX-51 |
| 14:35.21 | MohammadAG | wanted to say that's what she said |
| 14:35.23 | hrw | bullet`: each nokia product has such name |
| 14:35.24 | MohammadAG | but.. |
| 14:35.30 | MohammadAG | decided not to |
| 14:35.32 | Kurppa_ | RX-51 a.k.a. Rover. |
| 14:35.48 | Scelt | Range rover? |
| 14:35.52 | bullet` | another question is that was R always for Rover |
| 14:35.53 | Stskeeps | RX obviously means Rex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex) |
| 14:35.54 | Stskeeps | king of devices |
| 14:35.55 | Stskeeps | :) |
| 14:35.55 | bullet` | whats a rover |
| 14:35.56 | hrw | I love 700KB/s limit on rapidshare |
| 14:36.03 | bullet` | lemme consult a dictionary first |
| 14:36.06 | javispedro | Roverosaurus Rex |
| 14:36.09 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, ha! so I was right |
| 14:36.13 | bullet` | roamer, wandered :) |
| 14:36.14 | bullet` | ok |
| 14:37.08 | bullet` | bur RS is giving me only 18k right now |
| 14:37.19 | bullet` | ahh |
| 14:37.25 | hrw | bullet`: and during prototype phase is was N00 probably too |
| 14:37.27 | bullet` | 100% usage still on my sweetest n900 |
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| 14:37.41 | bullet` | its not ginving me anymore attention :( ... says it needs pr 1.2 baddd !! |
| 14:37.48 | hrw | I used n810 with n00 on it some time ago |
| 14:37.48 | MohammadAG | bullet`, top it |
| 14:37.51 | bullet` | yea |
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| 14:42.19 | bullet` | ok the schematics r downloaded now |
| 14:42.27 | bullet` | should we locate the proc and shoot it ??? |
| 14:42.42 | bullet` | but aftyer that will it be able to work and install or1.2 when its time come !! |
| 14:42.43 | bullet` | > |
| 14:42.44 | bullet` | ? |
| 14:44.03 | javispedro | yes, the nearest gremlin will come and fix it for you |
| 14:44.26 | bullet` | marina harrison !!! |
| 14:44.33 | bullet` | is what i saw on the first page !! |
| 14:44.38 | bullet` | i dont know if she is cool or not |
| 14:44.44 | bullet` | but i want to know that |
| 14:44.48 | bullet` | is she a model ? |
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| 14:49.03 | javispedro | kills developer for mixing tabs and spaces for indentation |
| 14:49.11 | lcuk | bullet`, to help make your mind up if shes cool or not: marina is running pr1.2 |
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| 14:49.34 | bullet` | ok she is the coolest girl in the world |
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| 14:49.41 | bullet` | no one can says anything against that |
| 14:51.34 | bullet` | i dont knpow where marina is right now ... but i'm going to sleep ... alone !! |
| 14:51.35 | bullet` | sigh !! |
| 14:52.02 | lcuk | gnite |
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| 14:55.45 | MohammadAG | zoutube rocks! |
| 14:56.00 | MohammadAG | it uses the media player now (and the dsp) |
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| 14:56.54 | ptl_demands_PR12 | is it working with the new youtube? |
| 14:58.15 | kamui | zoutube is good now? |
| 14:58.16 | kamui | sweet |
| 14:58.29 | SpeedEvil_ | Wacky. First call on n900. |
| 14:58.38 | SpeedEvil_ | (incoming) |
| 14:58.40 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ? |
| 14:58.47 | kamui | anyone use the espeak incoming call plugin? |
| 14:58.50 | Treibholz | hmpf... no cron... |
| 14:58.57 | kamui | for some reason, even though I have named contacts, it only reads off the number |
| 14:58.57 | kamui | ... |
| 14:58.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | kamui: eSpeakCaller? I do |
| 14:59.04 | kamui | yea that ptl_demands_PR12 |
| 14:59.08 | kamui | how does it work for you |
| 14:59.12 | kamui | your names get spoken? |
| 14:59.18 | SpeedEvil_ | kamui: I would if I got more than one call per three months. |
| 14:59.23 | kamui | lols |
| 14:59.26 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I think so, I usually forgot to run it after reboot |
| 14:59.29 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lemme try it. |
| 14:59.37 | kamui | oh man, didn't realize it had to be run after each reboot |
| 14:59.44 | kamui | however, Im on my longest uptime yet |
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| 15:03.47 | tgalal | my app is in python, in control file should I set architecture to all or any? and under scratchbox should I issue dpkg-buildpackage for i386 or armel target? |
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| 15:05.35 | baraujo | tgalal, if your app is pure python (e.g. nothing is compiled) you can use "all" architecture in debian/control |
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| 15:06.43 | tgalal | baraujo, thanks after doing so, the app installed successfully on my N900. In auto builder logs it shows only i386, is this correct or I did something wrong? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/retroconv_0.5.0-1/ |
| 15:06.50 | ptl_demands_PR12 | kamui: it doesn't seem to be working now. Weird. |
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| 15:08.08 | baraujo | tgalal, IHMO it is correct, because you have to build it only once to be able to use on both archs... autobuilder must run a i386 build because it's faster |
| 15:08.48 | tgalal | baraujo, Great! So now I should wait till it appear in extras devel |
| 15:09.25 | kamui | oh well, it was a nice idea |
| 15:09.38 | kamui | I think...I want to buy that battery for the N900 |
| 15:09.42 | baraujo | tgalal, yeah, it shouldn't take long :) |
| 15:09.44 | kamui | it doesn't look as bad as I thought |
| 15:10.06 | kamui | Ill definately be picking it up if I switch over to tmobile, I hear battery life when you have 3G activated is an attrocity |
| 15:10.11 | tgalal | baraujo, ok thanks a lot :) |
| 15:10.22 | kamui | looks at his N900, and a solitary tear rolls down his cheek thinking about his at&t edge connection woes |
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| 15:18.31 | Mece | 'lo maemites! |
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| 15:19.52 | Kurppa_ | kamui: at least for me, switching from 3G to 2G about doubled my battery life. |
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| 15:20.19 | Kurppa_ | It's partly because none of the network operators here support a certain power saving feature in 3G mode. |
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| 15:21.14 | Kurppa_ | The 3G connection does not go idle for 50 seconds after transferring even a single ping packet, so with all my presence accounts online, the 3G data connection never ever sleeps. |
| 15:21.51 | nidO | well half the reason most people's battery lives suffer in 3g mode is because the radio's having to activate and hunt for signal so often in low-reception areas, which are much more common on 3g obviously |
| 15:22.58 | Kurppa_ | Absolutely. I've noticed the same battery drain in optimal 3G conditions as well though. |
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| 15:23.35 | nidO | could really use properly accurate battery level monitors to check exact usage, tbh |
| 15:23.42 | Kurppa_ | Optimal meaning 5 operator antennas in this floor of the building. |
| 15:24.05 | nidO | been keeping an eye on things with battery-eye and had a period of about 4 and a half hours this morning of it reporting my battery level *increasing* |
| 15:24.05 | Kurppa_ | Yeah. battery-eye is not that accurate :-) |
| 15:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | I think main reason for *any* data connection to suck battery is TX, which takes place as well on unsolicited inbound TCP packets |
| 15:25.33 | nidO | I have found out that an obvious way to massively increase my battery life further was to disable the bluetooth connection to my system |
| 15:25.54 | nidO | im used to just leaving BT enabled and connected as on symbian devices it idles well enough to draw essentially no power |
| 15:25.55 | Kurppa_ | Yeah. There's something wrong with BT as far as I can tell. |
| 15:26.32 | Kurppa_ | It also starts to cause weird behavior in my device, after being active for a few hours and connecting to a few different BT accessories. |
| 15:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | visible BT sends baecons |
| 15:26.45 | nidO | I disabled the connection on my pc yesterday (leaving bluetooth actually active on the device but no longer connected to the pc) and from the past 24 hour's level drop according to battery-eye, i've halved the device's idle power draw |
| 15:27.50 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 15:27.53 | jacekowski | Uploading to fremantle-extras-devel-non-free (via scp to drop.maemo.org): |
| 15:27.53 | jacekowski | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 15:27.53 | jacekowski | lost connection |
| 15:28.22 | javispedro | you have to put a public ssh key into garage |
| 15:28.36 | jacekowski | i did |
| 15:29.39 | X-Fade | jacekowski: |
| 15:29.40 | X-Fade | Failed publickey for jacekowski from 109.224.x.x |
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| 15:30.56 | jacekowski | i copied my authorized_keys from my server and pasted it into box |
| 15:31.06 | jacekowski | and i can login to that server |
| 15:31.16 | X-Fade | jacekowski: you need to paste id_rsa.pub |
| 15:31.24 | jacekowski | i don't have id_rsa |
| 15:31.29 | jacekowski | i have id_dsa |
| 15:31.30 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Not your own authorized_keys. |
| 15:31.33 | jacekowski | and id_dsa.pub |
| 15:31.35 | X-Fade | jacekowski: That one then ;) |
| 15:31.40 | X-Fade | the pub one! |
| 15:31.46 | jacekowski | i know |
| 15:31.56 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Ok, just to make sure ;) |
| 15:32.42 | X-Fade | Ah, I see the problem. |
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| 15:33.11 | X-Fade | jacekowski: You pasted 2 keys and one has root@jac* attached to the end. |
| 15:33.50 | jacekowski | yes |
| 15:33.57 | X-Fade | jacekowski: without space. |
| 15:33.59 | jacekowski | and that's one i'm using |
| 15:34.04 | jacekowski | oh |
| 15:34.21 | X-Fade | jacekowski: So I'd advice you to drop it, it is not needed. |
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| 15:36.04 | Mizaku | is back |
| 15:37.07 | jacekowski | that's how it stands in id_dsa.pub http://jacekowski.org/keys.txt |
| 15:37.29 | jacekowski | and that's how it was working for ages |
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| 15:38.31 | Mizaku | that site is weird (O.O) |
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| 15:39.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | which site? |
| 15:39.03 | jacekowski | let me generate rsa keys |
| 15:39.10 | X-Fade | jacekowski: no need. |
| 15:39.28 | X-Fade | jacekowski: just paste the ssh-dss and the key part in the field. Leave out the host. |
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| 15:39.51 | mgedmin | notes that the third bit of an ssh public key is called the comment field, or something like that |
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| 15:39.56 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:39.56 | dotblank | I have a script I would luike to run as a daemon and at phone startup |
| 15:40.07 | dotblank | How would I go about doing that |
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| 15:40.29 | Mizaku | http://jacekowski.org/~blessjah/log/ that's better |
| 15:40.41 | tgalal | Does this mean something has gone wrong ?! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/retroconv/0.5.0-1/ I'm getting fed up with this packaging thing. This is like my 20th attempt :( |
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| 15:40.49 | mgedmin | dotblank, on a N900? write an (old) upstart config file in /etc/event.d/ |
| 15:41.12 | dotblank | mgedmin, yea. Thanks for the info |
| 15:41.23 | nidO | I would say something appears to have gone pretty badly wrong, yes |
| 15:42.20 | jacekowski | Mizaku: that's not mine |
| 15:42.47 | jacekowski | X-Fade: i made new rsa key |
| 15:42.52 | jacekowski | X-Fade: and it's still failing |
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| 15:43.05 | Mizaku | but it begins with your url..? |
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| 15:43.28 | jacekowski | Mizaku: but that's not mine |
| 15:43.35 | jacekowski | somebody has shell account on my server |
| 15:43.58 | Mizaku | Dumdadum.... |
| 15:44.19 | jacekowski | well couple people have shell account there |
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| 15:44.37 | jacekowski | and drop.maemo.org doesn't like my brand new keys |
| 15:45.03 | X-Fade | tgalal: Let me check your package. |
| 15:45.51 | tgalal | X-Fade, thanks! |
| 15:46.11 | jacekowski | X-Fade: are these keys updated straight away? |
| 15:46.23 | jacekowski | or i have to wait? |
| 15:46.24 | X-Fade | jacekowski: no, cron job. |
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| 15:46.51 | jacekowski | that could explain it |
| 15:47.36 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, it took 10 mins yesterday |
| 15:47.46 | MohammadAG | kept saying perm denied (publickey) |
| 15:48.08 | jacekowski | i added new rsa key |
| 15:48.10 | jacekowski | and will wait |
| 15:48.16 | X-Fade | tgalal: Don't use uppercase section names, it is user/desktop |
| 15:48.26 | X-Fade | tgalal: If you change that, it will be fine. |
| 15:48.42 | tgalal | X-Fade, thanks I'll give it a shot |
| 15:49.30 | jacekowski | Successfully uploaded packages. |
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| 15:57.22 | tgalal | X-Fade, still the same problem after going small case letters. I tried to re upload again now it says The same or newer version (retroconv 0.5.0-1) is already in extras-devel |
| 15:57.50 | X-Fade | tgalal: Increase the version number after it has been accepted once. |
| 15:58.17 | X-Fade | tgalal: Also the interface can take up to 30 mins to import the data. |
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| 15:59.30 | jacekowski | X-Fade: does it accept dsa keys? |
| 15:59.42 | X-Fade | jacekowski: should. |
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| 16:06.38 | jacekowski | Successfully uploaded packages. |
| 16:06.39 | jacekowski | ok |
| 16:06.44 | jacekowski | chrome finally uploaded |
| 16:06.58 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: chrome uploaded |
| 16:07.14 | Scelt | jacekowski: WHERE |
| 16:07.16 | tripzero | google chrome? |
| 16:07.29 | tgalal | X-Fade, great!!! I increased the version number, re uploaded and now the description shows. But the file size is still 0, should I wait or what ? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/retroconv/0.5.1-1/ |
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| 16:07.36 | brik | VDVsx: do you mind if I pm about gsoc? |
| 16:07.51 | jacekowski | to maemo-extras-devel |
| 16:08.00 | VDVsx | brik, sure |
| 16:08.27 | Scelt | where I can follow newest devel or garage changes? |
| 16:08.34 | jacekowski | appwatch |
| 16:08.49 | jacekowski | Scelt: it's not in repository yet |
| 16:09.11 | Scelt | jacekowski: appwatch is a bit too simple |
| 16:09.43 | jacekowski | ok |
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| 16:09.47 | jacekowski | chromium is in repo |
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| 16:10.10 | jacekowski | i just hope that dependencies are correct |
| 16:10.30 | jacekowski | well, i'm pretty much sure that they are not |
| 16:10.38 | tgalal | X-Fade, YES FINALLY! Can't thank you enough! sorry it's my first time :) |
| 16:11.09 | lcuk | gets tgalal a cigarette |
| 16:11.16 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lol |
| 16:11.34 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: chrome in repo |
| 16:11.40 | nidO | tgalal: dont forget a bugtracker ;) |
| 16:11.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: cool, |
| 16:11.55 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: lemme refresh to see if I can find it there. Did you upload libxss too? |
| 16:11.59 | jacekowski | yes |
| 16:12.21 | jacekowski | ( it's only package i've got in Depends:) |
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| 16:12.44 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: look under chromium |
| 16:12.48 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: chrome in repo |
| 16:13.02 | nidO | i'm either blind or not seeing it |
| 16:13.09 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, already installed it from your site :) |
| 16:13.09 | jacekowski | let me check |
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| 16:13.22 | MohammadAG | had to move the .desktop file into ./hildon |
| 16:13.23 | tgalal | nidO, I will, but let me enjoy this relief for a while before I mess things up again lol |
| 16:13.28 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ok! I will also post in a brazilian forum where there are some people too keen on trying software, will ask them to report bugs |
| 16:13.29 | MohammadAG | from /usr/share/applications |
| 16:13.48 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, is it optified? |
| 16:14.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | it is |
| 16:15.50 | Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: u talking about google chrome, dat browsah? |
| 16:16.12 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: yes |
| 16:16.19 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Scelt: yes, thanks to jacekowski |
| 16:16.21 | tripzero | so long as it has flickscroll, it'd be quite an awesome mobile browser |
| 16:16.35 | jacekowski | it doesn't |
| 16:16.37 | Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: okay, and where I can find it? from extras-devel? |
| 16:16.38 | jacekowski | at least not now |
| 16:16.43 | tripzero | :( |
| 16:17.07 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Scelt: jacekowski has just uploaded it, I am refreshing to see if I can find it |
| 16:17.40 | jacekowski | X-Fade: what i've done wrong? |
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| 16:17.57 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you were naughty when you were 6? |
| 16:18.35 | SpeedEvil | You can install some addons to regular firefox to make it more usable touch |
| 16:18.42 | SpeedEvil | all-in-one gestures, for example |
| 16:18.56 | Scelt | I don't like FF |
| 16:18.58 | ptl_demands_PR12 | no results on extras-devel |
| 16:19.39 | jacekowski | i see it here |
| 16:19.39 | jacekowski | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/ |
| 16:20.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | maybe the repository index has a cron job to be refreshed too |
| 16:20.20 | jacekowski | possible |
| 16:20.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | why is it non-free? |
| 16:20.40 | SpeedEvil | autobulider down, can only up binaries? |
| 16:20.40 | jacekowski | because i'm to lazy to create proper debian package |
| 16:20.53 | SpeedEvil | well - not down but can't make 1.1.1 binaries |
| 16:20.54 | jacekowski | that would build on autobuilder |
| 16:20.56 | SpeedEvil | or am I confused |
| 16:21.08 | jacekowski | and it would take ages to build |
| 16:21.36 | jacekowski | and i had to hack scratchbox to build it |
| 16:21.36 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, do you have the .tar.gz uploaded somewhere? |
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| 16:21.45 | jacekowski | no |
| 16:22.00 | MohammadAG | so you're not making it open? |
| 16:22.01 | jacekowski | i just finished a package |
| 16:22.34 | jacekowski | probably on saturday when i'll have little bit of time |
| 16:22.41 | jacekowski | to make proper debian package |
| 16:22.51 | MohammadAG | no not a proper one |
| 16:22.59 | MohammadAG | just a .tar.gz of the source |
| 16:23.13 | jacekowski | it will go together |
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| 16:23.25 | Scelt | konttori: Ho ho ho. Merry Christmas? |
| 16:24.24 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 16:24.29 | jacekowski | time to go home |
| 16:24.38 | ptl_demands_PR12 | good rest |
| 16:24.39 | Scelt | well done, son |
| 16:24.43 | Scelt | may the Force be with you |
| 16:24.50 | ptl_demands_PR12 | hakuna matata! |
| 16:25.27 | konttori | Scelt: ho ho, to you too. |
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| 16:27.05 | Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: what's that PR12 you are demanding? |
| 16:27.24 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Scelt: PR 1.2, the mythical update that never comes⢠|
| 16:27.32 | Scelt | ;D |
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| 16:31.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Scelt: many packages on the repositories are currently broken, many bugs in bugzilla are marked fixed by more than a month, PR1.2 packages have been released for the scratchbox environment for almost one month and Nokia still hasn't released this service pack. I am just voicing the opinion of many users about that delay, and I don't get the excuse that it's due to necessary testing. |
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| 16:32.08 | lcuk | ptl_demands_PR12 how do you know its unnecessary? |
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| 16:32.31 | trumee | guys anybody using sip? |
| 16:33.03 | Mece | zchydem's flickr app looks nice.. http://zchydem.enume.net/2010/04/08/my-first-qt-quick-app-quickflickr/ |
| 16:33.10 | trumee | in N95 i could open the addressbook, select a phone number and do "Call using sip" |
| 16:33.41 | trumee | in N90, if i click on any phone number it straight away calls the mobile provider, and there is no way to choose it as a sip call |
| 16:33.47 | Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: I gotcha bro. Even I'm a Finn and very proud of the work of Nokia, I'm still a bit disappointed and sad about the situation in this current world where competitioners take their share from Nokia. For example navigation should have been free from the day one and they shouldn't have waited for the all these years for the touch phones. They are late in everything :( |
| 16:33.48 | trumee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.50 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lcuk: not this flamewar again... I do not "know", because I do know nothing inside Nokia. But this is taking too long and the consequences of the packages being delayed are been felt |
| 16:34.57 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lcuk: daily in this very channel you see just too many issues caused from the delay of PR1.2, from autobuilder problems to packages that can't update due to a lack of updated libs like libhildon1 and conflict of names like qt4-maemo vs. qt4 |
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| 16:36.15 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 16:36.19 | ptl_demands_PR12 | hello |
| 16:36.37 | PhonicUK | hows everyone in maemo land? |
| 16:37.02 | toggles_w | meego home now |
| 16:37.08 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 16:37.14 | Stskeeps | lo toggles_w |
| 16:37.20 | dotblank | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49522 |
| 16:37.26 | dotblank | just got all that to work :) |
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| 16:37.33 | toggles_w | Stskeeps: hello! I'm coming to visit, clean off the couch |
| 16:37.54 | PhonicUK | im pulling 3.3Mbps while on the bus :| |
| 16:38.00 | MohammadAG | operation temporrly disabled due to low memory err |
| 16:38.42 | lcuk | ptl, sure there is an ambiguity between sdk and real machines and i am also sure the devs and everyone involved is doing whatever possible to expidite the release. |
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| 16:40.00 | Lateralus | any suggestions as to how to fix an mmc set to read only? |
| 16:40.18 | Lateralus | or any idea as to what the heck happened to make it so? |
| 16:40.53 | Lateralus | Just noticed my camera app won't take pictures on my N900, "operation failed", and the mmc I added awhile back can't be written to. |
| 16:40.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Lateralus: usually a filesystem is set to read-only when some corruption is detected on it |
| 16:41.10 | VDVsx | ~poke lcuk |
| 16:41.10 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind lcuk, pokes lcuk repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:41.12 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Lateralus: you should umount it, fsck it, then remount it with the errors corrected |
| 16:41.14 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: That's fairly vague? |
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| 16:41.23 | lcuk | ~fsck VDVsx |
| 16:41.24 | infobot | e2fsck /dev/VDVsx : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! |
| 16:41.24 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: I will try |
| 16:41.30 | VDVsx | :D |
| 16:41.35 | javispedro | ~botsnack |
| 16:41.35 | infobot | thanks, javispedro |
| 16:41.44 | javispedro | such a nice bot. |
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| 16:43.06 | Lateralus | bah, device or resource busy -_- |
| 16:44.01 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lololol |
| 16:44.34 | ptl_demands_PR12 | a brazilian n900 blog has a new post about the N900... watching sygic with brazil maps and PR 1.2... |
| 16:45.38 | lcuk | ptl_demands_PR12, links help |
| 16:46.32 | ptl_demands_PR12 | "Meanwhile, in Nokia Headquartes... '- trainee, get me a coffee!' - '- But, sir, I was going to turn the coffee machine off to power up and bring online the server with PR1.2!' - '- The users have waited too long, they can wait a little longer. Get me my coffee!'" |
| 16:46.42 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lcuk: it's in portuguese, but ok... http://n900.aguilarj.com/?p=1124 |
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| 16:47.15 | ptl_demands_PR12 | the blog's owner is the developer of PySafe. |
| 16:47.39 | b-man|laptop | hmm, it looks like repo.meego.com is down.. :P "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to repo.meego.com" |
| 16:47.46 | trumee | guys, is there a cron on N900? my intentions are to mute the volume when i go to bed. |
| 16:47.48 | Stskeeps | b-man|laptop: maintaince |
| 16:47.51 | b-man|laptop | ah |
| 16:48.42 | ptl_demands_PR12 | trumee: there are many crons, you can use fcron that is more cron-like but adds an extra service to the N900, or you can use alarmed which is an alarmd interface - alarmd is a scheduler daemon that comes with the N900 |
| 16:49.11 | b-man|laptop | Stskeeps: were they suppose to be announcing the mobile UX today? |
| 16:49.18 | lcuk | ok ptl thats not a blog post thats another rant |
| 16:49.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | trumee: there is also another interface to alarmd called System Event Scheduler but it seems less mature |
| 16:49.30 | Stskeeps | b-man|laptop: hm? :P |
| 16:50.03 | trumee | ptl_demands_PR12: i guess i can simply use amixer to set volume to 0 using alarmd. |
| 16:50.04 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lcuk: actually it seems more like a joke, that happens when people are just frustrated. They use humour sometimes... |
| 16:50.09 | b-man|laptop | Stskeeps: i saw some people talking about it on irc yesterday |
| 16:50.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Treibholz: and you can use alarmed to configure that |
| 16:50.24 | jacekowski | X-Fade: help |
| 16:50.44 | javispedro | lcuk: it's half rant half news :) |
| 16:50.50 | lcuk | ptl_demands_PR12, speaking of humour, Marina Harisson is on pr1.2 :p |
| 16:51.13 | Lateralus | WTF |
| 16:51.27 | trumee | ptl_demands_PR12: any idea if it reduced the volume of the email/IM notifications. Bloody phone woke me up at 5AM this morning because of email notification. |
| 16:51.34 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lol |
| 16:51.38 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: did that, seemed to be ok, opened the camera lid and the N900 beeped/screeched and won't turn on. |
| 16:51.40 | trumee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.42 | Lateralus | turned off, and now won't turn on. |
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| 16:52.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Lateralus: ???? What did you do? |
| 16:52.14 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: I opened the damn camera lid |
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| 16:52.32 | ptl_demands_PR12 | and this bricked your phone? |
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| 16:52.53 | ptl_demands_PR12 | oh |
| 16:52.54 | jacekowski | trumee: i would go and see specialist |
| 16:52.56 | ptl_demands_PR12 | the filesystem problem |
| 16:53.01 | ptl_demands_PR12 | :/ |
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| 16:53.11 | ptl_demands_PR12 | you remounted the filesystem ok? |
| 16:53.18 | trumee | jacekowski: :) |
| 16:53.20 | jacekowski | trumee: i can set up alarm in n900 and it's not going to wake me up |
| 16:53.38 | jacekowski | e-mail notfication is like - ding |
| 16:53.42 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: after removing the battery and sticking it back in it turned on |
| 16:53.51 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: I was very angry for those few seconds. |
| 16:53.55 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Lateralus: nice, and did it boot properly? is it working? |
| 16:54.07 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: seems to be fine |
| 16:54.12 | ptl_demands_PR12 | cool@ |
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| 16:54.21 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: nome-vfs-daemon keeps crashing. |
| 16:54.25 | Lateralus | gnome* |
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| 16:56.13 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: bah, it's still read-only |
| 16:56.25 | Trizt | is there a "min free space needed" for pr1.2? |
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| 16:57.03 | jacekowski | maybe my .dsc or .changes file is wrong |
| 16:57.49 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Trizt: when it's out we will know |
| 16:58.49 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: fsck just goes through the same steps each time I run it. |
| 16:58.56 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Lateralus: that's weird, because the fstab (the file which lists the filesystems to be mounted) is generated at boot-time, so it could not have been a change in the config files. This means the filesystem is still corrupted. Have your fsck fixed all the problems in the filesystem? Was it MyDocs? If it was, maybe it's not fsck, maybe it's another program to fix that |
| 16:59.07 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MyDocs is a vfat filesystem |
| 16:59.27 | Lateralus | ptl_demands_PR12: no, this is an external card, not related to MyDocs |
| 16:59.28 | ptl_demands_PR12 | hmm |
| 16:59.33 | Lateralus | it's just music, etc |
| 16:59.34 | ptl_demands_PR12 | oh, ok |
| 16:59.45 | javispedro | NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!! SPANK SPANK SPANK!!! lol VDVsx |
| 16:59.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | anyway, I've just verified and fsck supports vfat |
| 16:59.53 | Lateralus | etc being a deb I made of Stellarium, and some tgz file |
| 17:00.54 | ptl_demands_PR12 | maybe you can temporarily copy its contents to another place, reformat it completely and put the contents back again |
| 17:01.19 | Lateralus | yeah, I'm trying that now, thanks |
| 17:01.45 | Lateralus | I'll format the card on a separate computer if this doesn't work |
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| 17:04.51 | konttori | Trizt: it's 30 megs (or 28, can't remember) |
| 17:05.09 | Trizt | in that case I have space enough |
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| 17:05.36 | konttori | actually something like 22 is enough, but we set the limit to 30 (or 28...) |
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| 17:06.33 | Trizt | ods |
| 17:06.36 | Trizt | nods |
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| 17:07.20 | dmj726_n900 | Hmm...trying to decide the best method to distribute a video for my gsoc proposal. |
| 17:07.55 | jogglerspedro | why, oh why. |
| 17:08.34 | SpeedEvil_ | youtube. |
| 17:09.10 | Stskeeps | jogglerspedro: ? |
| 17:09.42 | jogglerspedro | Stskeeps: they made me fall in love with this joggler thingie only to realize they're only shipping UK :( |
| 17:10.14 | jogglerspedro | Stskeeps: oh, you have one too iirc? |
| 17:10.14 | GAN900 | lol |
| 17:10.20 | PhonicUK | how do i find large files on rootfs? |
| 17:10.23 | Stskeeps | jogglerspedro: yes |
| 17:10.30 | GAN900 | jogglerspedro, I'm pretty sure this is unhealthy. :P |
| 17:10.45 | PhonicUK | 23mb free with extras repo disabled |
| 17:10.59 | Stskeeps | jogglerspedro: not living in UK though |
| 17:11.09 | jacekowski | jogglerspedro: i ordered one |
| 17:11.30 | SpeedEvil_ | PhonicUK: /usr/bin/gnu/find / -mount -size +999k -ctime -66 |
| 17:11.42 | Stskeeps | jogglerspedro: find a willing UKian to buy and ship you one |
| 17:11.43 | ptl_demands_PR12 | PhonicUK: it's quite difficult to have a file in rootfs that does not belong to a package. There is a perl script which can tell you the usage on rootfs of each package, let me find it for you |
| 17:11.44 | Stskeeps | if they're not out |
| 17:11.44 | jacekowski | -66? |
| 17:11.57 | VDVsx | jogglerspedro, not my code, blame rasterman, I guess :D |
| 17:12.04 | SpeedEvil_ | jacekowski: younger than 66 days |
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| 17:12.09 | jacekowski | i know that |
| 17:12.14 | jacekowski | what's the point of it |
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| 17:12.24 | trumee | ptl_demands_PR12: cant download alarmed from extras-devel, it has a qt-4.6.2 dependency |
| 17:12.26 | javispedro | VDVsx: excuses :) |
| 17:12.51 | SpeedEvil_ | jacekowski: where 66 is some number of days shorter than the time since the last update |
| 17:13.06 | ptl_demands_PR12 | PhonicUK: the perl scripts are here --> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=500101&postcount=7 |
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| 17:13.15 | PhonicUK | ty |
| 17:13.15 | SpeedEvil_ | jacekowski: so you only find added |
| 17:13.16 | trumee | Stskeeps: is the audio ticking problem resolved for joggler? |
| 17:13.28 | ptl_demands_PR12 | trumee: :( and when I "demand" PR1.2 people flame me... see? We need this update. |
| 17:13.29 | Stskeeps | trumee: not yet |
| 17:13.33 | Stskeeps | trumee: we're investigating still |
| 17:14.22 | ptl_demands_PR12 | trumee: can you get version 0.1.8-3 from its page? I think this version does not depend on qt-4.6.2 |
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| 17:16.25 | trumee | ptl_demands_PR12: cant find its page :( |
| 17:17.17 | trumee | ptl_demands_PR12: its not in garage, and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594&highlight=alarmd doesnt list the url |
| 17:17.23 | javispedro | Stskeeps: here, I found an Ukian: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ukian |
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| 17:17.54 | Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: chrome already in devel? |
| 17:17.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | trumee: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/alarmed/0.1.8-3/ |
| 17:18.43 | trumee | ptl_demands_PR12: cheers |
| 17:18.49 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Scelt: lemme see |
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| 17:21.22 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Scelt: it has not shown up here yet, after updating. |
| 17:21.39 | Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: okthx. later then |
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| 17:22.42 | javispedro | Stskeeps: btw, could I ask you for a boot dmesg of a joggler? |
| 17:22.53 | Stskeeps | javispedro: yes, gladly, give me a couple of seconds |
| 17:23.55 | Stskeeps | javispedro: jogglerhacks.blogspot.com for interesting stuff as well :P |
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| 17:23.56 | javispedro | thanks! |
| 17:23.56 | SpeedEvil_ | joggler url? |
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| 17:24.35 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: a useful one is http://hackthejoggler.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-is-this-hack-joggler-stuff.html |
| 17:24.52 | Stskeeps | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/7gziERzK |
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| 17:25.45 | Stskeeps | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/9SsRrVRs as well |
| 17:26.19 | javispedro | aha, the builtin flash is connected through a sdhci pci card |
| 17:26.44 | Stskeeps | mmc |
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| 17:27.18 | MohammadAG | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/multitasking-comes-to-iphone-os-4-0/ 4 generations to get it right... |
| 17:27.43 | PhonicUK | gah the scripts don't work |
| 17:27.50 | Trizt | thats iphone 4G? |
| 17:27.51 | PhonicUK | syntax errors :\ |
| 17:28.11 | javispedro | MohammadAG: looks like they didn't |
| 17:28.19 | Stskeeps | javispedro: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Joggler |
| 17:28.40 | bergie | javispedro: yeah, seems only some certain services are working while your app is "in the background" |
| 17:29.04 | javispedro | bergie: PalmOS-style multitasking :( |
| 17:29.07 | MohammadAG | javispedro, at least the poor guys got it |
| 17:29.23 | javispedro | *PalmOS5 |
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| 17:31.31 | javispedro | "We're releasing a framework called accelerate -- for hardware accelerated math functions." only jobs could advertise stuff like that. genius. |
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| 17:34.59 | javispedro | Stskeeps: thanks! lack of rtc is disturbing me a bit now |
| 17:34.59 | MohammadAG | javispedro, well the iPad was magical |
| 17:35.00 | RST38h | javispedro: What? Jobs invented math? |
| 17:35.07 | Stskeeps | javispedro: who cares with ntpdate.. |
| 17:35.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:35.21 | javispedro | I had one plausible use for it that assumed rtc :( |
| 17:35.27 | javispedro | but it was geeky anyway |
| 17:35.29 | javispedro | ;) |
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| 17:36.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I assume that to specify whether it was floating-point math or integer math would be too nerdy |
| 17:36.12 | javispedro | math! |
| 17:36.14 | javispedro | just math. |
| 17:36.26 | javispedro | enough to throw confusion into all the expected audience |
| 17:36.41 | javispedro | even better, to throw the entire audience into confusion :) |
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| 17:38.29 | RST38h | javispedro: Has something happened with the apple cult lately? I managed to remove all apple news from gizmodo/engadget feeds, so I am not sure what you are talking about |
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| 17:39.08 | javispedro | RST38h: jobs invented multitasking, hw accelerated math, skype, and is at this moment inventing tomtom |
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| 17:40.27 | RST38h | javispedro: Is he inventing tomtom for free or for a fee? |
| 17:40.49 | javispedro | the latter, of course. |
| 17:40.51 | andrewfblack | iPhone os 4.0 is going to have Custom Wallpapers, Welcome to the 1990s everyone!! |
| 17:40.53 | RST38h | Ah |
| 17:41.05 | javispedro | ^^ and now he's inventing wallpapers |
| 17:41.08 | RST38h | andrewfblack <-- obviously not in the loop |
| 17:41.30 | andrewfblack | javispedro: he also invented Multitasting today |
| 17:41.33 | javispedro | and catorise, he also invented folders in the launcher |
| 17:41.35 | MohammadAG | javispedro, when he announced the iPad, he said you can change your wallpaper |
| 17:41.38 | RST38h | those in the loop know very well that there weren't any wallpapers before iPhone OS 4.0 |
| 17:41.43 | MohammadAG | I thought the iPhone could do that... |
| 17:41.59 | javispedro | MohammadAG: it couldn't. watch the the ministry of truth in action. |
| 17:41.59 | andrewfblack | MohammadAG: just on the lock screen no where else before today |
| 17:42.16 | FIQ | ... |
| 17:42.20 | FIQ | serious? |
| 17:42.38 | furunk3l | pls, someone help. i have this really strange problem with my n900 for the third time now. the touchscreen seems to hang. its not recognzing any input. |
| 17:42.51 | andrewfblack | He also invented something called a Folder I don't know what it is but it sounds cool |
| 17:43.00 | FIQ | even the monochrome phones was able to do that... |
| 17:43.00 | lcuk | furunk3l, what apps are you running |
| 17:43.02 | javispedro | ah, jobs just invented App Store Third-Party Mail Attachment Viewers! |
| 17:43.08 | lcuk | do you get click noises from it when you press |
| 17:43.27 | furunk3l | lcuk, at the time the touchscreen is haning or in general? |
| 17:43.40 | furunk3l | *hanging/not responding |
| 17:43.49 | lcuk | your screen is not responding, what can you see |
| 17:43.57 | lcuk | what happens when you touch it |
| 17:44.01 | RST38h | javispedro: has he invented the instant messaging already or is it coming? |
| 17:44.02 | lcuk | what did you do to break it |
| 17:44.14 | javispedro | RST38h: what's this instant thing you're talking about |
| 17:44.18 | andrewfblack | just noticed steve can't do math they sold 450K ipads but the app Ibook has been downloaded 600k times how is that possible? |
| 17:44.27 | javispedro | ;) |
| 17:44.29 | RST38h | javispedro: you will know when jobs announces it |
| 17:44.36 | furunk3l | lcuk: when i swipe to swipe through the desktops it seems to work, but then it switches back to the desktop i was. |
| 17:44.37 | javispedro | it doesn't exist! never exited! |
| 17:44.39 | lcuk | andrewfblack, easily enough |
| 17:44.41 | andrewfblack | RST38h: he invented MMS last year |
| 17:44.46 | furunk3l | kinetic scrolling is not wokring |
| 17:44.58 | furunk3l | and when i receive a call, i cannot take it |
| 17:45.03 | RST38h | andrewfblack: most hyperactive fans downloaded it twice? |
| 17:45.09 | lcuk | furunk3l, ok, so its not a hardware problem in that its not working - its just funky and not working right |
| 17:45.10 | furunk3l | i press the touchscreen, and it hangs. |
| 17:45.17 | andrewfblack | lcuk: only way would be for 250k people to download twice |
| 17:45.25 | furunk3l | lcuk, exactly |
| 17:45.27 | javispedro | furunk3l: something funky indeed :P did you install anything recently? |
| 17:45.36 | furunk3l | nohing |
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| 17:45.49 | furunk3l | i can fix it with a complete reinstall |
| 17:45.52 | javispedro | furunk3l: put a lot of files in an sd card or the builtin memory? |
| 17:45.54 | furunk3l | and after some time its back |
| 17:46.02 | furunk3l | javispedro, yes. |
| 17:46.11 | furunk3l | loads of music |
| 17:46.14 | javispedro | furunk3l: then leave it alone for a few hours and it might revive |
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| 17:46.28 | furunk3l | its not the trackerd |
| 17:46.32 | lcuk | furunk3l, can you click to open apps |
| 17:46.38 | lcuk | or console via ssh |
| 17:46.44 | furunk3l | lcuk, no. |
| 17:46.53 | javispedro | aha, Free Winnie the Pooh eBook with every iPad. Their target market is crystal clear now. |
| 17:47.02 | lcuk | no because ssh isnt installed or no because ssh isnt working |
| 17:47.07 | furunk3l | when i click, it somethimes gets recognized as a long press |
| 17:47.20 | furunk3l | and opens the contextmenu |
| 17:47.23 | SpeedEvil_ | javispedro: the ipad doesn't need additional poo. |
| 17:47.51 | andrewfblack | WTF no free Winnie the Pooh on N900 thats a Show Stopper for me |
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| 17:48.53 | lcuk | as long as theres a free winnie the pooh theme :p |
| 17:49.01 | andrewfblack | btw I wan to thank everyone who changed their useragent on Nokia Devices ot iphone for their websites you helped apple say this.. "iPhone has a 64% mobile browser use share" |
| 17:49.10 | furunk3l | ssh is not istalled |
| 17:49.14 | andrewfblack | lcuk: don't make me go make a winnie the pooh theme for N900 |
| 17:49.32 | lcuk | furunk3l, what happens if you reboot |
| 17:49.33 | andrewfblack | lcuk: you know I will do it a made a Hello kitty one for Stskeeps |
| 17:49.36 | lcuk | andrewfblack, bet you cant |
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| 17:50.00 | furunk3l | lcuk, when i reboot immediatly i cannot enter the pin for my simcard. |
| 17:50.02 | andrewfblack | Pooh theme will be out this weekend |
| 17:50.10 | javispedro | find the browser screenshot with a huge message box "Do you want to accept invitation to play Winnie the Pooh the Game with random boring contact that is interrupting you constantly while trying to, well, BROWSE the WWW?" hilarious. |
| 17:50.18 | furunk3l | i press randomly on the screen and after some time its working |
| 17:50.25 | lcuk | furunk3l, if you turn off the phone remove battery and let it cooldown for 10mins |
| 17:50.33 | lcuk | plug in and test again |
| 17:50.37 | furunk3l | okay |
| 17:50.49 | lcuk | lets see if its potentially something like that |
| 17:51.00 | lcuk | especially if immediate reboot fails |
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| 17:51.37 | kamui | my penis is affectionally errect |
| 17:51.52 | kamui | that was inappropriate, and I apologize |
| 17:52.40 | lcuk | kamui, i know you are as excited as the rest of us for pr1.2 but you are right,keep it in your pants |
| 17:52.41 | Stskeeps | to winnie the pooh? oh dear |
| 17:52.49 | andrewfblack | I manged to get Dropbox Sync on my N900, using N900, Desktop Computer, Dyndns, ipcheck script, application to sync Dropbox Folder to FTP server, Dropbear running on N900. Now why I would I want an iphone. If the application is made for hte iphone you are just out of luck |
| 17:53.02 | furunk3l | is there word for the pr 1.2 release? |
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| 17:53.14 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: You know you want the winnie the pooh theme |
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| 17:53.16 | javispedro | furunk3l: not really. |
| 17:53.25 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: i can guess some people that do |
| 17:53.56 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: I really did make that Hello Kitty theme I kept saying I would but just never released it |
| 17:54.17 | andrewfblack | is giving up on a N900 LCARS theme not looking right |
| 17:54.41 | lcuk | i see valid reasoning to enforce OMG Ponies! theme upon anyone with "demands_PR12" in their irc nickname |
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| 17:55.50 | andrewfblack | I'm almost to the point of getting in hte the whole lets go crasy on TMO thing. I figure if I post that I have an early release of PR1.2 and do some fake screenshots people will beleave me |
| 17:55.58 | MohammadAG | lol I was just gonna see if noobmonk3y was online |
| 17:56.07 | noobmonk3y | huffs n puffs |
| 17:56.13 | noobmonk3y | 7 hours driving, my legs are achingggggggggg |
| 17:56.21 | lcuk | flintstones car? |
| 17:56.26 | noobmonk3y | ;) not far off |
| 17:56.27 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 17:56.37 | MohammadAG | gives noobmonk3y the massager maemo app |
| 17:56.45 | noobmonk3y | w000000000p |
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| 17:56.52 | javispedro | andrewfblack: you doubt it? |
| 17:57.06 | noobmonk3y | nice relaxing evening with the missus in a bit - so only on for 30 mins :D |
| 17:57.19 | javispedro | andrewfblack: they will. someone even nearly believed the "overclocked to a gazillion ghz" shot |
| 17:57.49 | andrewfblack | javispedro: Well I figure I have a little creditillity in the community to string people along for a while |
| 17:57.53 | MohammadAG | reminds noobmonk3y that a PM window exists |
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| 17:58.47 | noobmonk3y | trust lcuk to post a sensible reply in my oh so sensible healthcheck thread ;) |
| 17:59.06 | lcuk | someone had to :p |
| 17:59.16 | noobmonk3y | lol good point ;) |
| 17:59.27 | andrewfblack | thinks about his if you can't beat them join them post he should do on tmo |
| 17:59.35 | noobmonk3y | thought i did a good job at fending of the "Kill my device " requests |
| 18:00.02 | jacekowski | X-Fade: are you there? |
| 18:00.26 | lcuk | jacekowski, did you put the source to your package anywhere yet |
| 18:01.33 | javispedro | and now jobs just invented ... flash. |
| 18:01.39 | javispedro | but it's not flash. |
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| 18:02.46 | pupnik | what then |
| 18:03.12 | javispedro | html5 advertising! |
| 18:03.52 | andrewfblack | javispedro: looks like be invited Advertising aswell |
| 18:05.13 | andrewfblack | can't talk to much junk about Apple he still steals his old iphone back from while for some mobile gaming every now and then |
| 18:05.37 | GAN900 | iPad is offtopic. :P |
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| 18:06.27 | andrewfblack | GAN900: So is everything on t.m.o :) |
| 18:06.33 | jacekowski | lcuk: it's just chromium from google |
| 18:06.40 | javispedro | GAN900: doesn't matter. it will be base for comparisons for the next year. |
| 18:06.44 | jacekowski | lcuk: with some mods to make it compile |
| 18:06.56 | lcuk | so jacekowski, its open source - and you put it in the closed source section of m.o |
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| 18:07.22 | lcuk | so now anyone who might want to download and tinker cannot |
| 18:07.30 | lcuk | that has bad mojo |
| 18:07.40 | FIQ | hm |
| 18:07.40 | jacekowski | i can move it to free |
| 18:07.47 | FIQ | no pr1.2... |
| 18:07.48 | lcuk | indeed you can |
| 18:07.48 | jacekowski | but i would have to build proper source package |
| 18:07.56 | FIQ | what is happening actually? |
| 18:07.56 | lcuk | indeed you would |
| 18:07.57 | jacekowski | and hack it a lot to build |
| 18:08.03 | lcuk | but being in non-free is not correct |
| 18:08.09 | lcuk | is worse |
| 18:08.19 | FIQ | the 1.1.1 was released over 2 months ago |
| 18:08.20 | lcuk | is against license |
| 18:08.24 | jacekowski | non-free is for people too lazy to build proper package |
| 18:08.38 | lcuk | non-free is for non-free softawre |
| 18:08.43 | lcuk | free software should not be there |
| 18:08.50 | lcuk | lazyness is not a factor in this |
| 18:09.34 | jacekowski | there is some free software in non-free section |
| 18:10.36 | lcuk | please make a list if that is the case (with chromium at the top for now) and they can all be cleaned up then. |
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| 18:11.45 | jacekowski | well it's BSD Licensed |
| 18:11.46 | mgedmin | wait, what? chromium for n900? |
| 18:11.56 | jacekowski | so theoreticely i can relicense it to jacekowski license |
| 18:12.02 | jacekowski | and put it into non-free |
| 18:12.44 | andrewfblack | jacekowski: I like the sound of that I should relicense all my themes to jacekowski License |
| 18:13.59 | jacekowski | mgedmin: yes |
| 18:14.10 | jacekowski | mgedmin: it's in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/chromium/ |
| 18:14.24 | jacekowski | mgedmin: but it's not in Packages |
| 18:14.28 | jacekowski | mgedmin: for some reason |
| 18:14.39 | jacekowski | and i don't know what i've done wrong |
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| 18:16.48 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, looks like packages is down |
| 18:17.05 | MohammadAG | The requested URL /packages/view/ could not be found on this server. |
| 18:17.16 | lcuk | jacekowski, you have removed the bsd attributation from it - effectively wiping out its history |
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| 18:17.41 | RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzbQjd_Oo4Q&feature=player_embedded |
| 18:21.43 | javispedro | ah, they're battling over for the single ipad they brought in for a demo in public tv |
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| 18:24.17 | lcuk | jacekowski, if you had pushed the package and source up, perhaps others could assist you better |
| 18:25.20 | RST38h | javispedro: obnoxious |
| 18:26.12 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Apple just invented multitasking |
| 18:26.30 | javispedro | bangs head repeteadly |
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| 18:26.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Next: The wheel |
| 18:26.40 | MohammadAG | wonders |
| 18:26.46 | MohammadAG | if a package source was edited |
| 18:26.48 | ioeee | salud o/ |
| 18:27.01 | MohammadAG | can I upload the package built into extras-devel non-free? |
| 18:27.06 | MohammadAG | even if it's free? |
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| 18:28.15 | lcuk | MohammadAG, you could until someone who cares speaks up |
| 18:28.25 | lcuk | normally it would be the proper maintainer |
| 18:28.32 | lcuk | if you are replacing their package |
| 18:29.16 | MohammadAG | lcuk, even if the package was never meant for maemo? |
| 18:29.19 | jacekowski | well, it's on jacekowski license now |
| 18:29.26 | jacekowski | and jacekowski license says |
| 18:29.30 | jacekowski | - i don't care |
| 18:29.36 | MohammadAG | s/meant/made/ |
| 18:29.41 | jacekowski | - code will be released when i'll have some time4 |
| 18:29.59 | MohammadAG | uses jacekowski's license and uploads to extras-devel |
| 18:30.12 | lcuk | in that case jacekowski you best get looking at the guidelines for trademark stuff for third party implementors |
| 18:30.13 | lcuk | http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html |
| 18:30.51 | jacekowski | i'm not sure if i can release build anyways |
| 18:31.06 | javispedro | the jacekowski license is incompatible with the bsd either way, my legal team says |
| 18:31.11 | lcuk | MohammadAG, well thats pretty much what jacekowski just did |
| 18:32.10 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski licence is like GPL, but you also have the right to request the code written in hot-sauce? |
| 18:32.10 | jacekowski | javispedro: point 1 of jacekowski license |
| 18:32.25 | lcuk | jacekowski, i have never spoken in this tone with anyone about open source before because ive not seen people do this kind of thing. many folks like chromium and would actively help you bring it to maemo |
| 18:32.32 | lcuk | but thats fro man open community thing |
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| 18:33.13 | SpeedEvil | see the dozens of ripoffs of mplayer and ffmpeg code into non GPL stuff |
| 18:33.22 | MohammadAG | switches back to getting the app to compile |
| 18:33.24 | MohammadAG | I hate non-free |
| 18:33.27 | SpeedEvil | not to mention busybox/linux into every third router |
| 18:33.29 | lcuk | the package as it stands should not be in non-free - i know it was easier- but if you built the package yourself, we can most likely help the autobuilder to create it too |
| 18:33.33 | jacekowski | if you want i can post my ~/chrom/chromium... whatever |
| 18:33.50 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, speaking of ffmpeg - theres a binary inside jacekowski's package |
| 18:34.06 | lcuk | which is lgpl |
| 18:34.20 | jacekowski | source of ffdshow is publicly avaliable |
| 18:34.22 | javispedro | the jacekowski license is incompatible with the gpl, my legal team also says >:) |
| 18:35.07 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, is chromium in the repos (app manager)? |
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| 18:35.19 | MohammadAG | ok, it's in the repos, is it in app manager? |
| 18:35.48 | bigbrovar | Hi guys I am having problem getting my N900 contacts synced with google contacts. If I delete my contacts on the n900 google contacts syncs fine (using mail for exchange) but if I were to edit the synced contacts (by merging dups enteries) I am unable to sync the result with google and I get server not responding error. |
| 18:38.22 | javispedro | jacekowski: now seriously, if you can, you should really consider sending it to free. it will be better for you in the end and for us too (easier to reproduce). if you can't for some reason make it a sane source package, do not hesistate to post your doubts |
| 18:38.41 | jacekowski | seriously |
| 18:38.44 | jacekowski | i'll send it |
| 18:38.48 | javispedro | ok :) |
| 18:38.59 | jacekowski | but i have to diff it 1st to orignal source |
| 18:39.09 | Raafat | Hi all, I have submitted a proposal for Pocket Jeeves project in GSOC, can you please have a look on it and give me your feedback(s) ? thanks http://issuu.com/gsoc/docs/gsoc_proposal1 |
| 18:39.19 | jacekowski | and make it nice |
| 18:39.30 | javispedro | the nice part isn't needed until version2 :) |
| 18:39.50 | javispedro | as someone told me when I was noob around here, "if it compiles and runs, ship it!" is the maemo way :) |
| 18:40.12 | lcuk | the nice part is bringing another open source giant to the platform, the code can be as messy and wiggly as it needs to be |
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| 18:40.39 | lcuk | actually javispedro pr1.2 proves that is not the case :) |
| 18:40.40 | jacekowski | at the moment only thing i can post is my huuuuuuge ~/chrom folder |
| 18:40.47 | jacekowski | that includes everything |
| 18:40.59 | lcuk | git diff |
| 18:41.00 | jacekowski | and it would take day to send on my 512k upload |
| 18:41.12 | javispedro | looks at the time, tries to remove joggler stuff from his mind and tries to go back to work |
| 18:41.19 | Zahra | where is the mamo boot configs? I don't see anything on my /boot directiory |
| 18:41.34 | jacekowski | that's a problem - it's not on git |
| 18:41.57 | lcuk | ok, reextract the tar.gz and diff against that |
| 18:42.09 | jacekowski | i would end up with shitloads of binary files |
| 18:42.12 | jacekowski | in diff |
| 18:42.30 | SpeedEvil_ | Raafat: can't read on n900. |
| 18:42.42 | jacekowski | there is no rush |
| 18:42.55 | jacekowski | i spent 2 days builing it |
| 18:42.59 | lcuk | jacekowski, then why rush to get it in repository |
| 18:43.13 | jacekowski | i'm not rushing it |
| 18:43.20 | jacekowski | i just want to know why it's not there |
| 18:43.56 | SpeedEvil_ | Zahra: /etc |
| 18:44.27 | jacekowski | let me just ssh to work |
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| 18:46.55 | javispedro | Apple already breaking the dream |
| 18:47.04 | javispedro | they won't bring the "full" 4.0 to older devices |
| 18:47.16 | Zahra | SpeedEvil_: & which file in /etc have boot information? |
| 18:47.19 | SpeedEvil_ | I bought apple today. |
| 18:47.23 | javispedro | (i'm sure someone in Nokia is making a sound of relief) |
| 18:47.34 | SpeedEvil_ | Zahra: wht do you mean boot info? |
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| 18:47.46 | SpeedEvil_ | (well, apples) |
| 18:47.48 | jacekowski | i've got an idea |
| 18:47.58 | jacekowski | import orginal source into svn repository |
| 18:48.04 | jacekowski | and then import that huge file |
| 18:48.05 | PhonicUK | hey all, is the cpp-4.2 package just the compiler? |
| 18:48.09 | jacekowski | and then i can possibly diff it |
| 18:48.15 | PhonicUK | and am i ok to remove it |
| 18:48.16 | RST38h | "...and then Apple is going to send all the iPhone users a special knife for cutting the usb connector hole in their iPhones." |
| 18:48.20 | jacekowski | huge folder * |
| 18:48.25 | Zahra | SpeedEvil_: boot configs, for example grub.conf in linux systems, I really don't know what's N900 bootloader |
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| 18:48.55 | SpeedEvil_ | RST38h: I hear this knife is made by bledtek. |
| 18:49.02 | RST38h | iKnife |
| 18:49.32 | SpeedEvil_ | Zahra: nolo? I don't think it's open, or has files like that. |
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| 18:50.03 | dmj726_n900 | so when is the i****? getting expose? |
| 18:50.06 | Raafat | SpeedEvil_ : do you prefer a site to upload it ? |
| 18:50.15 | shvedsky | I request again (and for the last time, so sorry that I'm bugging you). |
| 18:50.21 | shvedsky | Will there be any reply to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=600213&postcount=91 |
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| 18:50.34 | Zahra | SpeedEvil_: ok, btw tnx |
| 18:50.55 | SpeedEvil_ | Raafat: I simply mean I can't read it at the moment due to flash or ... |
| 18:51.49 | Raafat | SpeedEvil_: I understand you, can I copy paste it in the private ? |
| 18:52.04 | SpeedEvil_ | sure |
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| 18:52.32 | javispedro | loling at "Around 1996, when I had AOL users complaining that the articles on my website were "cut off at the bottom of the screen", and I had to explain scrollbars to them, I should have found another career, preferably one that involved frequent use of explosives and heavy earthmoving equipment." |
| 18:53.09 | RST38h | vividly remembers 1996 |
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| 18:54.01 | RST38h | With alt.tasteless discussing various methods of torturing frogs, naturally switching to torturing the French, ending up torturing AOLers |
| 18:54.39 | RST38h | Unlike French or frogs, nobody really felt like defending AOLers. |
| 18:55.21 | lcuk | RST38h, sounds not much different to now |
| 18:55.30 | lcuk | did not get internet at home until 2000 |
| 18:56.15 | RST38h | lcuk: well, lemmings became smarter but more annoying since then |
| 18:56.24 | Veggen | lcuk: not dealiing with end users also rules. |
| 18:56.24 | RST38h | smarter being a relative term of course |
| 18:56.40 | lcuk | Veggen, ive dealt with end users since late 90s |
| 18:57.01 | Veggen | I have 1.5 million end users, but have only ever talked with one *once*, and that was mistake, I shouldn't have. |
| 18:57.03 | lcuk | in an industry built up of 90yo dears who know more about fabrics and sewing than computers |
| 18:57.41 | javispedro | feels a urge to play lemmings |
| 18:57.43 | lcuk | and also small companies of people in first time businesses |
| 18:57.50 | lcuk | lol javispedro |
| 18:58.32 | toggles_w | i see the iphone made it to 1993, finally have multitasking, just like win3.1 when it was release in 93 |
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| 18:59.23 | jacekowski | toggles_w: official software |
| 18:59.25 | lcuk | actually toggles_w its not multitasking as such, just the os has a few predefined threads that apps can hook into |
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| 18:59.54 | toggles_w | neither was 3.1, cooperative ;-) |
| 18:59.56 | lcuk | try multitasking something they dont want you to do! |
| 18:59.57 | jacekowski | toggles_w: with jailbreak you can have multitasking |
| 19:00.21 | lcuk | but anyway |
| 19:00.31 | lcuk | im off, bbl maemo \o |
| 19:00.43 | toggles_w | cya lcuk |
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| 19:01.13 | dmj726_n900 | I don't think people have any trouble with n900 task switching. |
| 19:02.11 | ioeee | resaluda o/ |
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| 19:04.20 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: I do |
| 19:04.26 | dmj726_n900 | More on my gsoc proposal: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48548 |
| 19:04.26 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: it's annoyingly slow |
| 19:04.34 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: there is no way to do alt-tab |
| 19:04.40 | dmj726_n900 | overclock ;) |
| 19:04.40 | SpeedEvil | really goes to sleep. |
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| 19:04.56 | Veggen | something feels not right when I have to jailbreak an OS to get it to do as I want. |
| 19:04.56 | dmj726_n900 | alt tab would be nice actually. |
| 19:05.27 | dmj726_n900 | Veggen: yeah...many here agree with that. |
| 19:05.29 | Veggen | <---isn't going to buy an iPhone, but I do know how slick it looks. |
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| 19:05.53 | MohammadAG | I'd rather go back to symbian than buy an iPhone |
| 19:06.16 | FIQ | well |
| 19:06.30 | FIQ | jailbreak is same idea as rooting (symbian) |
| 19:06.36 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I'd rather not buy and iPhone than buy an iPhone |
| 19:06.50 | MohammadAG | except it's easier on symbian |
| 19:07.02 | FIQ | but well, it's easier to root a symbian device, and a symbian device has less limits unrooted |
| 19:07.07 | dmj726_n900 | would accept a free iphone. |
| 19:07.20 | dmj726_n900 | They can be sold for money. |
| 19:07.21 | MohammadAG | if I got a free iPhone I'd donate it |
| 19:07.23 | FIQ | would as well - and sell it |
| 19:07.25 | FIQ | :D |
| 19:07.41 | MohammadAG | and about 100 bucks because of the evil it carries |
| 19:07.53 | MohammadAG | ok, 100 is a lot |
| 19:07.58 | MohammadAG | takes back what he said |
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| 19:09.14 | dmj726_n900 | since it's $100, and money is the root of all evil, the iphone's evil is over 9,000 |
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| 19:11.21 | dmj726_n900 | $100 = sqrt(iPhone.get_evil()) |
| 19:12.15 | b-man|laptop | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-or-a-task-manager-they-blew-it/ LOLOLOL |
| 19:12.58 | RST38h | Hehe: http://www.alternet.org/rights/146273/ruling_ok%27s_tasering_pregnant_woman_three_times |
| 19:13.35 | b-man|laptop | i think apple's ego has just entered astronomical levels xD |
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| 19:15.41 | RST38h | b-man: So, el Jobso is basically repeating Microsoft's mistake of never exiting apps? |
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| 19:16.36 | SpeedEvil | This actually works - if you can enforce design. |
| 19:16.45 | RST38h | does not work |
| 19:16.58 | RST38h | you always end up with memory getting full |
| 19:16.59 | SpeedEvil | For example 'app must be able to start in x seconds from saved state' |
| 19:17.16 | RST38h | or alternatively you end up with apps exiting when they see fit, taking your work with them |
| 19:17.43 | RST38h | naaah, thsis saved state stuff never worked and probably never will |
| 19:18.24 | RST38h | although I guess they may have tried snapshotting the whole application, all the active memory pages, dumping them to disk for later unfreezing |
| 19:18.26 | mgedmin | worked quite well on PalmOS, actually... |
| 19:18.27 | b-man|laptop | RST38h: you could say that xD |
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| 19:18.45 | RST38h | mgedmin: never worked neither on Symbian nor on WinMo |
| 19:18.50 | b-man|laptop | mgedmin: Palm OS had a _very_ small footprint |
| 19:18.57 | mgedmin | for values of "work" not including applications like a "web browser" |
| 19:19.00 | RST38h | Was particularly obnoxious on WInMo (Symbian did provide an app manager) |
| 19:19.20 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: I want that. |
| 19:19.21 | mgedmin | given the pain that is MicroB's back button I wonder how well that will work |
| 19:19.28 | RST38h | guesses PalmOS is different, as it was never really an OS |
| 19:19.39 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: For firefox - or whatever - to be able to snapshot each tab to non-volatile storage |
| 19:20.00 | dmj726_n900 | ...that's called the session manager. |
| 19:20.06 | Mece | hey, does anyone know if SDL_GetModState() reacts to the fn key in N900? |
| 19:20.10 | SpeedEvil | with _all_ the tab state in disk, not RAM |
| 19:20.18 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: not quite |
| 19:20.21 | b-man|laptop | RST38h: it was more of a microkernel with an application layer |
| 19:20.35 | dmj726_n900 | ah...you want everything. |
| 19:20.36 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: you navigate from a tab, it saves the tab to disk, and deletes the in-ram copy |
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| 19:20.56 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: it loads the - say - 5M of data back in .5s |
| 19:22.00 | dmj726_n900 | ah...why would that be needed? |
| 19:22.19 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: the assumption is that there is not enough RAM for 20 tabs |
| 19:22.56 | dmj726_n900 | Okay, I can't see needing that many on a mobile device. |
| 19:23.07 | SpeedEvil | I often have 6 microb windows open |
| 19:23.11 | dmj726_n900 | though I could find myself wrong. |
| 19:23.18 | dmj726_n900 | so do I. |
| 19:24.23 | Treibholz | WTF? everything is vertical now! |
| 19:27.16 | furunk3l | lcuk, that issue with the touchscreen just happened again. i removed the battery and i will wait for 10 minutes. |
| 19:29.30 | lcuk | furunk3l, did it get better before on its own? |
| 19:29.44 | furunk3l | yes, after some time |
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| 19:30.03 | furunk3l | i sometimes just rapidly touch the screen. and it was fixed. |
| 19:30.10 | lcuk | by leaving the device on, or turned off as i suggested |
| 19:30.24 | furunk3l | i just turned it off as you suggested |
| 19:30.36 | furunk3l | still waiting for the 10 minutes to pass ;) |
| 19:30.44 | lcuk | yeah but you threw more spanner in works by saying it cured itself eventually on its own |
| 19:30.51 | lcuk | or with brute force ;) |
| 19:31.01 | furunk3l | it always did after some time |
| 19:31.18 | furunk3l | strange thing is, that a reboot did not fix it. |
| 19:31.35 | Treibholz | great, everything is vertical now. even my browser |
| 19:31.44 | Treibholz | but how do I get back? |
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| 19:32.22 | Treibholz | without killing my uptime |
| 19:32.31 | mgedmin | Treibholz, how did you go forward? |
| 19:32.44 | Treibholz | mgedmin: i just don't know.... |
| 19:33.12 | Treibholz | I did something with the phone-app |
| 19:33.26 | mgedmin | i.o.w. triggered some bug |
| 19:33.35 | mgedmin | try starting the phone app (again) and exiting it normally |
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| 19:34.40 | Treibholz | ok, i got back with feedinf-it |
| 19:36.07 | b-man|laptop | Treibholz: going for an uptime record, eh? :) |
| 19:36.16 | Treibholz | 2 days! |
| 19:36.45 | Treibholz | that's the best I smartphone ever did here! |
| 19:36.46 | b-man|laptop | the longest i've done is a week |
| 19:36.55 | Treibholz | (except a very old Blackberry) |
| 19:37.26 | dmj726_n900 | I generally can't get more than a couple weeks without accidentally draining the battery. |
| 19:37.54 | b-man|laptop | dmj726_n900: had mine on a charger obviously xD |
| 19:38.07 | dmj726_n900 | (not a single charge for me obviously) |
| 19:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | yay, 18 days on N900. Then rebooted due to some stupid app update requiring it |
| 19:38.27 | b-man|laptop | dmj726_n900: idle? |
| 19:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | >300 days on 6210 |
| 19:38.50 | Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: a 6210 is a phone! |
| 19:38.56 | dmj726_n900 | ...no...meaning I was charging about twice daily. |
| 19:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:39.10 | Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: you can't compare apples and pears! |
| 19:39.14 | b-man|laptop | dmj726_n900: ah lol |
| 19:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | see? phones are better than smartphones ;-P |
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| 19:39.57 | dmj726_n900 | my old phone had much better battery life...and a dead(ish?) microphone |
| 19:40.33 | furunk3l | lcuk, works again. but the phone settings like date and time are reset. |
| 19:41.00 | lcuk | furunk3l, earlier on, you said the problem remained after rebooting |
| 19:41.07 | furunk3l | yes |
| 19:41.11 | lcuk | how often do you encounter it, and is it immediately after rebooting |
| 19:41.21 | lcuk | or just randomly at some point in the future will it occur |
| 19:41.26 | Treibholz | I just found out, that jingle works quite great between two n900 |
| 19:41.35 | konttori | oh man. why did the hildon touchselector have to have different api than gtk treeview. <sigh> |
| 19:41.44 | furunk3l | i encounter it currently once a day. mostly after the phone was some time in standby |
| 19:41.52 | furunk3l | it happens more often when i listen to mp3s |
| 19:42.12 | lcuk | konttori, historical reasons no doubt |
| 19:42.13 | furunk3l | and when i reboot without taking the battery out, the error is still there after the reboot |
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| 19:42.59 | lcuk | ok furunk3l are you doing anything else with the phone - or notice when it doesnt occur |
| 19:43.03 | lcuk | ie, you say "once a day" |
| 19:43.15 | lcuk | does it not happen some days - ie when you arent listening to music or something |
| 19:43.33 | lcuk | damn |
| 19:43.33 | konttori | lcuk: yeah, probably for the philosophical idea of keeping gtk and hildon separate (while I never saw even the point of having hildon as a separate API at all) |
| 19:43.37 | lcuk | apt-get install new-lighter |
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| 19:44.20 | lcuk | konttori, when we finish our time machine, we will go back and right the wrongs in gtk :D |
| 19:44.23 | furunk3l | lcuk, it currently happens when the phone was on standby for a long time |
| 19:44.29 | lcuk | eiter that or just use qt from scratch :D |
| 19:44.51 | konttori | lol, well, qt did it pretty right |
| 19:45.25 | lcuk | in some respects it did yeah. im tinkering with pyqt |
| 19:45.34 | furunk3l | like it takes some time to wake up the hildon stuff or the touchscreen. |
| 19:45.35 | lcuk | and i want it faster |
| 19:45.40 | lcuk | and using a better syntax ;) |
| 19:45.45 | lcuk | possibly like vb :D |
| 19:46.54 | jacekowski | X-Fade: how that builder work? |
| 19:46.57 | nze` | what does the n900 support when it comes to synchronising calendars/tasks? server/protocol wise |
| 19:48.13 | jacekowski | i mean, what if i need library from extras-devel |
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| 19:49.36 | nze | is there only mail for exchange or syncevolution? |
| 19:49.41 | lcuk | konttori, so is the thing you are playing with ukmp2 ? |
| 19:49.49 | lcuk | or just getting comfortable |
| 19:50.56 | konttori | lcuk: no, I would never make ukmp on gtk. But, I'm making a functional video player. So, this time, function over form. |
| 19:51.36 | konttori | And then once I have function that I'm happy with, I'll resort to my usual form over function and start converting the app to qml/qtgraphicsview |
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| 19:53.23 | konttori | I would really like to switch already to qml, but, I think I'll finish the current implementation first, then publish it, then switch to qml. I really love qml. I see no reason to use anything else but either vanilla qt or qml. |
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| 19:54.12 | konttori | really isn't personally a big believer of the new s60 toolkit nor DUI toolkits. |
| 19:55.39 | lcuk | konttori, the toolkits will help some people |
| 19:55.59 | lcuk | but you are right, native simple implementations which just work well are always prefered and are the bread and butter |
| 19:56.51 | lcuk | for round to ordering laser cut stand today :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43593 |
| 19:56.57 | lcuk | got round even |
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| 19:58.19 | silbo | enyone has a good idea for GSoC project? |
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| 19:58.58 | Khertan | Hello ! |
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| 20:00.05 | Khertan | I'm trying to compile some c code for my n900 ... but it s running kinda slow ... as i'm clearly not an expert of c and gcc ... does there is some flags to optimize things a bit ? |
| 20:00.31 | MohammadAG | It depends on the CPU |
| 20:00.36 | lcuk | Khertan, slow to compile, or slow to run? |
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| 20:01.21 | lcuk | and theres some cheapish c flags, but it depends on whether your time is spent in your little loops or within a prebuild linked library |
| 20:01.21 | MohammadAG | lcuk, since he asked about gcc, I'm assume to compile |
| 20:01.44 | lcuk | yeah MohammadAG with khertan im never sure, but "c code for my n900" |
| 20:01.53 | lcuk | the for makes it tough |
| 20:02.00 | lcuk | and optimizing would slow down compilation ondevice |
| 20:02.21 | lcuk | fastest compilation is unoptimised |
| 20:02.55 | lcuk | mmm i wonder if that could be used to advantage for making test builds of qt c++ on device |
| 20:03.05 | lcuk | or if c++ is just that much slower it wouldnt make a diff |
| 20:04.05 | Khertan | lcuk: slow to run |
| 20:04.06 | lcuk | anyway, Khertan in my CFLAGS i use -O3 |
| 20:04.07 | microlith | c++ puts a bigger burden on the preprocessor if templates are used, no? |
| 20:04.16 | lcuk | but it doesnt help without knowing where slowness is |
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| 20:04.28 | lcuk | microlith, it puts a bigger burdon on everything |
| 20:04.42 | MohammadAG | lcuk, lol I was wrong |
| 20:04.42 | SpeedEvil | someone needs to get distcc in extras-devel. |
| 20:04.44 | lcuk | its just much slower to build than flat c code |
| 20:04.50 | SpeedEvil | To enable compiling when plugged into wall. |
| 20:04.58 | SpeedEvil | cloud of n900s. |
| 20:05.06 | Khertan | yep ... the problem is that the n900 is border line |
| 20:05.07 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i keep having a flash of something :) |
| 20:05.14 | Khertan | a bit too slow :) |
| 20:05.16 | lcuk | and it involves n810 too |
| 20:05.31 | lcuk | its fast enough for c building i think |
| 20:05.32 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: as long as it doesn't involve adobe. |
| 20:05.40 | lcuk | lol SpeedEvil of course |
| 20:05.51 | Khertan | lcuk: for building yep ... for running complex things less |
| 20:06.00 | lcuk | but i need to have my code running immediate on all waiting devices as soon as ive started build |
| 20:06.10 | lcuk | so it has to be done on all machines |
| 20:07.06 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i keep wanting to run a micro web server with simplified source code feed - when i save project each device stops what its doing, downloads, compiles, runs and gets back to point it was at |
| 20:07.22 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:07.24 | SpeedEvil | tcc |
| 20:07.41 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 20:07.44 | lcuk | most likely |
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| 20:07.45 | SpeedEvil | So many projects. |
| 20:07.57 | SpeedEvil | I want to do a nice web proxy to reduce bandwidth. |
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| 20:08.35 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i was sat building liqbase routinely on 810 for ages with this in mind |
| 20:08.52 | lcuk | web proxy doesnt interest me much because i dont use net often |
| 20:09.01 | lcuk | but around local zone |
| 20:09.04 | Khertan | is now trying to build opensonic for Maemo |
| 20:10.56 | |R | is it a known bug that with the browser in full screen if you let the device lock itself after the system delay you can't see the pin pad when it shows up, just the title? |
| 20:11.02 | lcuk | Khertan, oooo |
| 20:11.13 | Khertan | ? |
| 20:11.42 | Khertan | hum ... build was fast ... |
| 20:11.51 | Khertan | but s it s a bit too slow |
| 20:12.38 | Khertan | opensource next game :) |
| 20:12.42 | lcuk | speak with the gamers around |
| 20:12.57 | Khertan | i m browsing playdeb.net :) |
| 20:12.58 | SpeedEvil | plays lots of 'blocks'. |
| 20:13.00 | lcuk | javis and rst usually have good implementation ideas |
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| 20:29.14 | jonaskoe1ker | Hi all. I'm trying to add ~ to my osso-xterm bottom bar, as per http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35442 -- I fail; why? I'm saying gconftool-2 -t list --list-type string -s /apps/osso-xterm/keys "[bar,~,Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down]" and $thesame/key_labels "[|,~,Tab,Esc,PgUp,PgDn]". When I press the ~ button, nothing happens. What gives? |
| 20:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | probably it's tilde, not ~. Also it even might be nodeadkey-tilde or sth like that |
| 20:32.50 | grishnav | Anyone here use OpenVPN on their N900? |
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| 20:34.38 | peetah | grishnav: I do |
| 20:34.40 | jonaskoe1ker | DocScrutinizer: a similar amount of nothing happens for "tilde" and "nodeadkey-tilde" |
| 20:34.48 | jonaskoe1ker | DocScrutinizer: where did you get the nodeadkey-tilde name from? |
| 20:35.11 | jonaskoe1ker | DocScrutinizer: some X keysym list? A header file? A GNOME/osso/X/... header file? |
| 20:35.37 | grishnav | peetah: Have you tried to make it run on startup with any luck? |
| 20:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not at all sure about the correct name. Just wild guessing led me to the assumption it's one of the chars that aren't represented by themselves but rather by their name |
| 20:36.19 | peetah | I have no use for it on startup, but you have to create a script in /etc/event.d/ |
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| 20:36.25 | jonaskoe1ker | DocScrutinizer: sure, that seems reasonable; what I'm most puzzled by: where did you grab the "nodeadkey-" part from? |
| 20:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | mere memory |
| 20:36.49 | jonaskoe1ker | ah |
| 20:37.14 | peetah | have a look at /etc/event.d/ssh to have a template |
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| 20:37.57 | peetah | sorry it's /etc/event.d/sshd |
| 20:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | jonaskoe1ker: possibly I'm talking complete BS. Just an idea of the second, no backup by any hard facts or knowledge |
| 20:38.27 | jonaskoe1ker | DocScrutinizer: ah okay. Well, thanks for offering it :) |
| 20:38.30 | peetah | basically, you remove what is between the pre-start script and end script |
| 20:38.42 | jacekowski | lcuk: and besides, |
| 20:38.51 | peetah | and replace what comes after exec by /etc/init.d/openvpn start |
| 20:38.52 | jacekowski | lcuk: i don't believe in community |
| 20:39.34 | jacekowski | lcuk: most community projects fail without corporate support |
| 20:39.52 | peetah | be sure to check the /etc/default/openvpn to be sure that it connects to the desired vpn |
| 20:39.55 | jonaskoe1ker | DocScrutinizer: gaaaah, I found it: asciitilde ^_^ |
| 20:40.02 | grishnav | peetah: I don't see an /etc/event.d/sshd, just rc* scripts |
| 20:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | heh, so I've not been that wrong |
| 20:40.23 | jonaskoe1ker | DocScrutinizer: indeed you have not :) |
| 20:40.39 | grishnav | peetah: ah wait, wrong machine... damn screens |
| 20:40.44 | grishnav | peetah: ok, thanks |
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| 20:41.08 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to strace the i2c bus? Is there a generic i2c-linux way? |
| 20:41.47 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i think there is module that dumps i2c traffic to dmesg |
| 20:41.49 | peetah | grishnav: np |
| 20:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: there's I2Ctools |
| 20:43.39 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 20:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and there's strace ;-P |
| 20:43.51 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes. I know - not quite what I was aiming at. |
| 20:44.43 | dmj726_n900 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOZYGM5sOs |
| 20:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: honestly I have no clue. I'd guess all I2C is via a generic kernel driver. You might implement some debugging to that one |
| 20:44.59 | dmj726_n900 | page reader concept |
| 20:45.29 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 20:45.33 | Khertan | Youhou ! GnuGo Compiled |
| 20:45.38 | Khertan | now rest the UI |
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| 20:47.23 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: neat |
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| 20:48.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I have little energy to do creative stuff - more digging crap in garden today. |
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| 20:48.26 | Khertan | http://pastebin.com/wWvYzNxx <<< ouch a segfault on a compile |
| 20:48.27 | Khertan | huhu |
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| 20:49.29 | dmj726_n900 | Do you think the video would be good in the proposal? |
| 20:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | Khertan: heh, compiler segfaults always are BIG fun |
| 20:50.00 | Khertan | DocScrutinizer: yep ... and ... this on something that are coming from a Armel debian package |
| 20:50.13 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: link it - sure |
| 20:50.19 | Khertan | directly compiled on scratchbox |
| 20:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | Khertan: I reverted to things like redirecting compiler log to printer when I encountered such threat |
| 20:50.59 | dmj726_n900 | okay, wasn't sure the video would help or not. |
| 20:51.00 | SpeedEvil | dmj726_n900: It shoud of course also have a buisness card mode |
| 20:51.15 | dmj726_n900 | business card mode? |
| 20:51.41 | dmj726_n900 | you mean to recognize business cards and add them to contacts. |
| 20:51.44 | SpeedEvil | to OCR them |
| 20:51.48 | SpeedEvil | that sort of thing, yes |
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| 20:54.56 | Khertan | raaahahaha why open sonic is so slow on my N900 !!! |
| 20:55.26 | jacekowski | how to remove something from non-free and resubmit is as free? |
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| 20:55.57 | Khertan | jacekowski: send a email to maemo dev mailing list |
| 20:56.05 | Khertan | be prepare to be blame |
| 21:00.44 | Khertan | and wait at list one month |
| 21:00.44 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 21:00.44 | PhonicUK | Has anyone successfully managed to use their PS3 controller with an N900 using sixaxis-support and sixpair? |
| 21:00.44 | Khertan | at lesat |
| 21:00.44 | Khertan | at least |
| 21:00.45 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, here |
| 21:00.45 | PhonicUK | im having a spot of trouble, i've used sixpair to set it to use my N900s bluetooth address |
| 21:00.45 | PhonicUK | and ive got the sixaxis-support on my N900 with bluetooth on |
| 21:00.46 | PhonicUK | but i press the PS button on the controller and nothing happens |
| 21:00.46 | jacekowski | Khertan: any simpler way? |
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| 21:00.46 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, do you have HID enabled? |
| 21:00.46 | Khertan | jacekowski: pray |
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| 21:00.47 | PhonicUK | on the N900? |
| 21:00.47 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 21:00.47 | PhonicUK | probably not, how do i do that? |
| 21:00.47 | MohammadAG | if yes, disable it |
| 21:00.47 | MohammadAG | guess not then |
| 21:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: just increment the version number and check in to free under the 'new' name? |
| 21:00.48 | PhonicUK | how can i check> |
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| 21:00.50 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, it's off by default, it should stay that way |
| 21:00.50 | PhonicUK | ok |
| 21:00.52 | Khertan | DocScrutinizer: yep but it seems to cause problems on the maemo.org/packages/ interface |
| 21:00.52 | Khertan | :) |
| 21:00.53 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, cat /etc/bluetooth/main.conf |
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| 21:00.54 | MohammadAG | DisablePlugins = network,input,hal |
| 21:00.54 | MohammadAG | if you don't have input there, add it |
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| 21:00.55 | PhonicUK | yup thats what its set to |
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| 21:00.55 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:00.55 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, does the BT icon change into blue? |
| 21:00.56 | PhonicUK | ah its sprung into life! |
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| 21:00.59 | PhonicUK | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh |
| 21:01.07 | PhonicUK | you have to unplug the controller from the USB before it will work xD |
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| 21:01.18 | PhonicUK | roffle |
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| 21:01.51 | slingr | does anyone know of anything like hamachi for the n900... i used to use hamachi but since they upgraded to hamachi2 they don't have a linux client |
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| 21:05.21 | PhonicUK | woooo this is awesome with picodrive :D |
| 21:06.05 | silbo | woo woo |
| 21:06.39 | PhonicUK | now to plug it into my TV... |
| 21:07.34 | PhonicUK | is it me or does the daemon eat a fair amount of CPU time... |
| 21:07.39 | PhonicUK | and causing the emus to run slower |
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| 21:12.46 | PhonicUK | nope just needed a reboot :D |
| 21:12.55 | PhonicUK | playing sonic on my tv, brb - nostalgia trip |
| 21:12.59 | Scelt | can't find chrome from the devel repo |
| 21:13.27 | jacekowski | just get packages from jacekowski.org/maemo/ |
| 21:13.32 | jacekowski | you need both of them |
| 21:13.37 | djkrikke | Hi guys, I'm trying to update "FreOffice" but getting dependency problems, someone could help me understand what's going wrong, so I can fix them myself in the future? http://pastebin.com/GWpdn8gX |
| 21:14.40 | ShadowJK | djkrikke, you're using extras-devel/testing |
| 21:14.55 | Scelt | jacekowski: oknpthx |
| 21:14.59 | ShadowJK | and FreeOffice uses qt |
| 21:15.01 | djkrikke | ShadowJK, that's correct |
| 21:15.26 | ShadowJK | Most qt things in extras-devel and -testing is broken |
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| 21:15.33 | djkrikke | right |
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| 21:15.38 | djkrikke | not a problem at this time |
| 21:15.52 | djkrikke | but this will be automagically fixed in the future I assume? |
| 21:15.57 | jacekowski | what sort of processing power builder have? |
| 21:16.12 | slingr | what is picodrive |
| 21:16.29 | slingr | nevermind |
| 21:16.33 | slingr | _google_ |
| 21:16.47 | Scelt | jacekowski: damn, I haven't yet installed that deb installer. what's the best? that easy deb? |
| 21:17.21 | ShadowJK | djkrikke, yes. extras-devel is getting ready for the next firmware release |
| 21:17.34 | MohammadAG | umm, how do I apply a .diff file to a folder? |
| 21:17.49 | jacekowski | Scelt: you don't need it |
| 21:17.52 | djkrikke | ShadowJK, no problem at all then. Any idea on when the migration will be complete, couple of weeks? |
| 21:17.59 | jacekowski | Scelt: easydebian is just a debian chroot |
| 21:18.08 | jacekowski | Scelt: and these files are native maemo builds |
| 21:18.12 | Scelt | jacekowski: hmph, libxss installation failed but maybe i try again |
| 21:18.17 | jacekowski | Scelt: you just need to insteal them from terminal |
| 21:18.24 | Scelt | jacekowski: oh, okay |
| 21:18.30 | Scelt | jacekowski: basic dpkg -i? |
| 21:18.34 | lcuk | jacekowski, "diff -r dir1 dir2" theres other options for diff which might be required "man diff" |
| 21:18.36 | jacekowski | sudo dpkg -i libxss... |
| 21:18.39 | Scelt | yeah |
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| 21:19.35 | ShadowJK | djkrikke, it's not really a migration... Basically apps in -devel are getting built for the next firmware, and apps incompatible with current release are blocked from reaching extras.. When the new firmware upgrade arrives, your phone will be able to upgrade freoffice too |
| 21:19.55 | Scelt | damn I wish xterm woudl remember more than 15 lines of shell history |
| 21:20.05 | jacekowski | it's not xterm |
| 21:20.10 | jacekowski | it's busybox |
| 21:20.16 | Scelt | it says "X Terminal" bu tokay |
| 21:20.21 | jacekowski | and it can be changed |
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| 21:20.30 | Scelt | that 15? from where? |
| 21:20.38 | MohammadAG | gconf afaik |
| 21:20.45 | jacekowski | i mean, it's not xterm that remembers history |
| 21:20.55 | Scelt | or oh yes |
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| 21:21.18 | jacekowski | export HISTSIZE=1000 |
| 21:21.24 | jacekowski | and add it to .profile |
| 21:21.46 | ShadowJK | It's mostly qt apps that break on crrent firmware, because nokia is bringing us a new qt, same e as MeeGo is going to have, for increased compatibility with MeeGo :) In order to give app devs a head-start, extras-devel was switched to the new stuff recently.. |
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| 21:22.44 | Scelt | jacekowski: no .profile? just create one? |
| 21:22.54 | Scelt | in home |
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| 21:23.04 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:23.07 | jacekowski | or .bashrc |
| 21:23.22 | slingr | touch .bashrc |
| 21:23.24 | Scelt | touch .me |
| 21:23.57 | slingr | i felt so good at school yesterday |
| 21:24.04 | slingr | i'm not even in the security course yet |
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| 21:24.17 | slingr | and i was helping students in 3rd year break into the solaris boxes |
| 21:24.19 | slingr | in the hacker lab |
| 21:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | kick friggin messybox, get a decent real shell |
| 21:25.15 | mgedmin | heh |
| 21:25.19 | mgedmin | I have ash history working, btw |
| 21:25.39 | mgedmin | ... I think |
| 21:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | I had a real bash working |
| 21:25.47 | Scelt | hmph, why I don't see it in env anyhow |
| 21:25.52 | slingr | what would you recommand Doc |
| 21:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install bash |
| 21:26.28 | mgedmin | oh, right! if I close the xterm, ash dies uncleanly and doesn't write the history file; if I ctrl-d in a term, then it saves history |
| 21:26.51 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer: how I make it default? |
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| 21:28.00 | microlith | installing bash is nice, but not having all the associated utilities is meh :/ |
| 21:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | not recommended (at least for user) - rumor has it it will bork your boot. Just change your xterm .desktop to start bash in a terminal |
| 21:28.14 | Scelt | jacekowski: nice job with chromium o/ |
| 21:28.31 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer: okaydokay, thanks! |
| 21:28.53 | jacekowski | Scelt: there is still a lot of work to be done |
| 21:29.24 | Scelt | jacekowski: yeah, sure |
| 21:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | yep, e.g apt-get install findutils |
| 21:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | less |
| 21:30.04 | slingr | will a firmware reinstall wipe my device completely? I got my n900 used and it has 2 previous owners |
| 21:30.06 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer: where do i find .desktops again? |
| 21:30.09 | slingr | i wanna wipe it and start fresh |
| 21:30.20 | jacekowski | Scelt: i'm not sure how much stuff i've broken while trying to make it compile |
| 21:30.28 | Scelt | jacekowski: :] |
| 21:30.28 | mgedmin | slingr, sure, flash the rootfs and the eMMC and it'll be as new |
| 21:30.52 | mgedmin | the only thing remembered after reflashing is the device lock code, I think |
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| 21:31.42 | slingr | should i just use nokia's update software to do this? |
| 21:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | Scelt: forgot, sorry. find / | grep .desktop |
| 21:31.57 | opdf2 | soo, just got my n900, updated it. cant find moka messanger though. I'm on Tmobile USA |
| 21:32.00 | opdf2 | *nokia |
| 21:32.09 | opdf2 | ive heard other people got issues as well |
| 21:32.39 | opdf2 | its new account-> account provider->nokia messanger |
| 21:34.01 | MohammadAG | grr, can't patch a damn .diff |
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| 21:34.57 | lcuk | w00t_, you floating |
| 21:35.13 | lcuk | ? |
| 21:35.43 | javispedro | has hearth attack |
| 21:35.50 | javispedro | while reading a quite depressing tmo post :) |
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| 21:35.51 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer: thx |
| 21:36.04 | javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=601731#post601731 heh. |
| 21:36.28 | javispedro | can i has windows xp no you need ntfs kernel modules |
| 21:36.34 | SpeedEvil | .. |
| 21:37.57 | Scelt | fuck, my phone freezed |
| 21:38.19 | Scelt | I just saved the desktop file :P |
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| 21:40.46 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer: lemme out a little more. Exec="/usr... bash" didn't turn out. what I did wrong? |
| 21:41.16 | Scelt | bye |
| 21:41.34 | slingr | lol |
| 21:41.35 | slingr | he'll be back |
| 21:41.39 | mgedmin | Scelt, pastebin your full desktop file please |
| 21:42.56 | mgedmin | or copy an existing gone, like mc |
| 21:43.08 | mgedmin | which does Exec=osso-xterm -e mc, so I suspect you want Exec=osso-xterm -e bash |
| 21:43.25 | mgedmin | but then again I don't know what you're trying to achieve here, just guessing |
| 21:43.48 | Scelt | i think you're right |
| 21:43.53 | Scelt | with -e |
| 21:44.01 | Scelt | but hey, my phone freezed the second time already |
| 21:44.09 | Scelt | after nano save & close |
| 21:44.18 | MohammadAG | it's /bin/bash not /usr/bash |
| 21:44.47 | Scelt | MohammadAG: I meant /usr/bin/osso-xterm bash |
| 21:44.53 | Scelt | just shortened it |
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| 21:45.13 | Scelt | but now my phone is dead again so waiting for reboot |
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| 21:45.22 | Scelt | what a powerful app that nano is |
| 21:45.36 | MohammadAG | concurs |
| 21:45.48 | MohammadAG | I think the new nano supports syntax highlighting |
| 21:45.59 | Scelt | and killing n900 |
| 21:46.01 | mgedmin | which must be overheating the CPU, clearly |
| 21:46.14 | mgedmin | or maybe filling up all the RAM |
| 21:46.49 | MohammadAG | Scelt, give it time |
| 21:47.00 | MohammadAG | when you save the .desktop file the menu gets regenerated |
| 21:47.00 | jacekowski | Scelt: chrome? |
| 21:47.15 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, nano (editing .desktop file) |
| 21:47.18 | Scelt | jacekowski: didn't open up chrome after first freeze |
| 21:47.30 | Scelt | MohammadAG: oh, okay :D |
| 21:47.35 | jacekowski | i'm running sunspider on it |
| 21:47.36 | Scelt | MohammadAG: that may explain something |
| 21:47.39 | jacekowski | and it's slow |
| 21:48.23 | MohammadAG | solarion, I ask again, how do I patch a folder with a .diff file? |
| 21:48.27 | Scelt | no I saved it again |
| 21:48.35 | mgedmin | Scelt, also, no -e in your Exec line? |
| 21:48.38 | jacekowski | patch -p1 < aaa.diff |
| 21:48.40 | MohammadAG | patch -p1 <.diff> isn't working |
| 21:48.52 | Scelt | mgedmin: Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm -e bash |
| 21:48.55 | MohammadAG | oh, the < |
| 21:48.56 | jacekowski | just one < |
| 21:48.56 | Scelt | mgedmin: that's the line now |
| 21:49.07 | MohammadAG | mine was for reference, I didn't even use it |
| 21:49.14 | MohammadAG | thanks jacekowski |
| 21:49.21 | Scelt | mgedmin: not working |
| 21:49.23 | jacekowski | i know i'm great |
| 21:49.27 | jacekowski | i had quite good week |
| 21:49.29 | mgedmin | hm |
| 21:49.30 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:49.32 | mgedmin | shrugs |
| 21:49.44 | mgedmin | btw what does "not working" mean? |
| 21:49.48 | mgedmin | terminal doesn't open? |
| 21:49.52 | mgedmin | opens with an error message? |
| 21:49.55 | Scelt | it does but no bash |
| 21:49.57 | mgedmin | opens and closes immediatelly? |
| 21:49.59 | Scelt | I tried from terminal now |
| 21:50.02 | mgedmin | opens and has ash running? |
| 21:50.09 | Scelt | /usr/bin/osso-xterm bash |
| 21:50.13 | Scelt | and it worked fine |
| 21:50.15 | Scelt | but |
| 21:50.24 | Scelt | now trying to edit .desktop-file |
| 21:50.31 | Scelt | not working meant opening and running ash |
| 21:50.58 | mgedmin | hm |
| 21:51.08 | Scelt | the freeze really was about menu refresh :P fuck, I'm getting too impatient |
| 21:51.19 | Scelt | and swearing all the time. sorry |
| 21:51.31 | MohammadAG | gets some soap |
| 21:51.50 | Scelt | mgedmin: so I'm editing osso-xterm.desktop to get bash up and running from shortcut |
| 21:52.20 | Scelt | ni /usr/share/applications/hildon/osso-xterm.desktop |
| 21:52.30 | jacekowski | js performance is a disaster |
| 21:52.31 | MohammadAG | ni? |
| 21:52.39 | Scelt | in I meant |
| 21:52.41 | MohammadAG | it's either nano or vi not both lol |
| 21:52.48 | Scelt | ;D |
| 21:52.52 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:53.19 | Scelt | I'm just thinking if that's the right file at all |
| 21:54.00 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:54.08 | jacekowski | i've tested javascript performance |
| 21:54.12 | Scelt | damn, I'm editing the menu shortcut. I think |
| 21:54.14 | jacekowski | on v8 benchmark |
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| 21:54.28 | mgedmin | Scelt, and lauching from a desktop shortcut? |
| 21:54.30 | jacekowski | it's about 3000 on my desktop on opera |
| 21:54.35 | Scelt | mgedmin: yeah |
| 21:54.39 | mgedmin | heh, cool |
| 21:54.47 | mgedmin | plausible answer |
| 21:54.55 | jacekowski | and about 100 on chrome on n900 |
| 21:55.12 | Scelt | mgedmin: but where I can find desktop shortcut then? |
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| 21:55.21 | jacekowski | and about 15 on microb |
| 21:55.22 | lardman | evening chaps |
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| 21:56.26 | mgedmin | Scelt, hm, actually they're the same, AFAICS |
| 21:56.44 | jacekowski | so chrome performance compared to microb is great |
| 21:56.44 | mgedmin | there's a gconf key that lists all the desktop files added as shortcuts to the desktop |
| 21:56.52 | jacekowski | but not even close to desktop performance |
| 21:56.59 | mgedmin | plus some extra keys that detail which desktop and at what coordinates |
| 21:57.24 | jacekowski | Scelt: what are you doing |
| 21:57.29 | Scelt | mgedmin: :( what's wrong then |
| 21:57.35 | jacekowski | Scelt: i had quite a bit of trouble with .desktop files today |
| 21:57.42 | mgedmin | Scelt, perhaps osso-xterm is already running in the background |
| 21:57.46 | Scelt | jacekowski: making the xterm run as bash on startup |
| 21:57.54 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: can you do some other tests? How long does frontpages of slashdot, ebay, ... take to render? |
| 21:57.58 | Scelt | mgedmin: njet |
| 21:58.00 | mgedmin | Scelt, so the desktop file tells it to open a new window instead of starting a new app with the right command line |
| 21:58.23 | mgedmin | or maybe when X-Osso-Service is specified maemo ignores the Exec line altogether? |
| 21:58.28 | Scelt | should it be Exec=... or Exec="..." |
| 21:58.37 | mgedmin | I bet that's it |
| 21:58.51 | Scelt | then I comment it |
| 21:59.00 | mgedmin | or edit /usr/share/dbus-1/services/osso-xterm.service instead |
| 21:59.05 | mgedmin | scary |
| 21:59.07 | Scelt | waaat |
| 21:59.09 | Scelt | maybe not |
| 21:59.20 | Scelt | too afraid |
| 21:59.23 | mgedmin | there's also the chsh option: change your shell in /etc/passwd |
| 21:59.33 | mgedmin | I'm also too scared to accidentally break something by doing that ;) |
| 21:59.37 | mgedmin | so I live with busybox sh |
| 21:59.39 | Scelt | docman said it may cause trouble |
| 21:59.52 | mgedmin | have you got mc installed? |
| 22:00.03 | mgedmin | it has a working desktop file that opens an xterm with mc running inside |
| 22:00.04 | Scelt | I have to ask "mc?" so I bet not |
| 22:00.07 | mgedmin | you could create a bash.desktop doing the same thing |
| 22:00.13 | Scelt | :] |
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| 22:00.17 | MohammadAG | midnight commander |
| 22:00.20 | mgedmin | mc is a fun xterm file manager |
| 22:00.31 | mgedmin | more useful over ssh than from xterm |
| 22:00.32 | MohammadAG | pure xterm is more fun |
| 22:00.38 | Scelt | \o/ |
| 22:00.53 | Scelt | RUUNNNINNNGGG BAAASH |
| 22:00.55 | mgedmin | pure xterm is like navigating a house with your eyes closed: fun, but not quick |
| 22:01.15 | Scelt | mgedmin: #X-osso-service <3 |
| 22:02.03 | mgedmin | curious: if you try to use the xterm launcher more than once, will it open several xterms now? |
| 22:02.15 | mgedmin | ordinarily it would just bring the already-running xterm window to the foreground |
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| 22:02.30 | Scelt | does the same |
| 22:02.38 | Scelt | open the already open |
| 22:02.44 | MohammadAG | <mgedmin> pure xterm is like navigating a house with your eyes closed: fun, but not quick |
| 22:02.44 | Scelt | good english |
| 22:02.49 | MohammadAG | but it's still fun :P |
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| 22:03.48 | mgedmin | has anybody ported any interactive fiction games for maemo? |
| 22:04.07 | b-man|laptop | well, if you know linux like i do - using the raw terminal is just at home as using emelfm2 xD |
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| 22:04.32 | Scelt | mgedmin: thanks for your help! |
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| 22:05.04 | Scelt | irreco would be more useful if the ir wasn't so weak |
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| 22:05.24 | MohammadAG | Scelt, it's not weak, it's directional |
| 22:05.38 | Scelt | MohammadAG: both |
| 22:05.44 | b-man|laptop | and if you know the terminal, it's not like navigating around a house with your eyes closed ;P |
| 22:06.00 | MohammadAG | only works if I'm pointing in a straight line, but it works from a long distance (my trip to the mall proved it) |
| 22:06.40 | Scelt | and lirc daemon doesn't run on it's own |
| 22:06.47 | Scelt | I have to run it from terminal |
| 22:06.57 | Scelt | then I forget to stop it and my battery drains |
| 22:06.57 | lardman | mutters to himself about the general crapness of Ovi Maps |
| 22:07.12 | Scelt | lardman: waiting for the ovi maps 3 |
| 22:07.18 | MohammadAG | tells lardman to go buy sygic |
| 22:07.25 | MohammadAG | Scelt, keep dreaming :P |
| 22:07.34 | lardman | Scelt: no idea, but it's really rubbish now that I've had to use the current version |
| 22:07.55 | lardman | MohammadAG: buy! no chance, I'll write my own |
| 22:07.57 | Scelt | got 3 in my N82. it's great |
| 22:08.33 | MohammadAG | lardman, then buy it for free :P |
| 22:08.41 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:08.55 | lardman | just. need. digital. compass. |
| 22:08.58 | slingr | i really want sygic but its too expensive for me right now |
| 22:09.12 | MohammadAG | lardman, solder one |
| 22:09.23 | lardman | is there a HowTo yet? |
| 22:09.49 | MohammadAG | just rip a hole in the battery cover and solder it |
| 22:09.59 | MohammadAG | oh btw it would be analogue, but should work |
| 22:10.26 | lardman | yeah, but what component and where to solder it and has someone sorted out drivers yet, etc |
| 22:10.59 | MohammadAG | lardman, not really, just buy a compass and solder it |
| 22:11.14 | MohammadAG | then flip the N900 to look at the direction and flip it back to adjust maps |
| 22:11.25 | lardman | lol |
| 22:11.31 | lardman | not quite what I want here |
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| 22:12.02 | lardman | i.e. augmented reality apps |
| 22:12.27 | jacekowski | TomaszD: ty mi powiedz |
| 22:12.42 | mgedmin | b-man|laptop, my point was that in xterm you don't see what files are in $PWD unless you explicitly reach out and fell around you with 'ls' |
| 22:13.06 | jacekowski | TomaszD: co ja zle zrobilem ze paczka jest w http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/source/c/chromium/ a nie ma jej w app managerze |
| 22:13.14 | jacekowski | TomaszD: i w Packages jej nie ma |
| 22:13.32 | b-man|laptop | mgedmin: that's true |
| 22:14.04 | TomaszD | jacekowski, wyglÄ
da OK, nie wiem, może autobuilder siÄ zepsuÅ, a czemu non-free? |
| 22:14.14 | jacekowski | bo to recznie budowalem |
| 22:14.21 | jacekowski | bo nie chcialem przez autobuildera puszczac |
| 22:14.25 | mgedmin | fwiw I rarely bother to launch mc these days, but it's still perfect for a few use cases, like comparing two directories, or diving inside a .deb to have a look |
| 22:14.29 | jacekowski | bo to nijak nie kompatybilne |
| 22:14.38 | jacekowski | wiec na razie taki proof-of-concept ze sie da |
| 22:14.45 | jacekowski | a teraz hakuje porzadna paczke |
| 22:15.12 | TomaszD | jacekowski, nie wiem jak jest z politykÄ
non-free, pytaÅeÅ siÄ admina repo X-Fade ? |
| 22:15.15 | Proteous | or sshing into another box and runing irssi and mutt |
| 22:15.26 | jacekowski | nie ma go |
| 22:15.33 | Proteous | or running nmap |
| 22:15.37 | Proteous | or metasploit |
| 22:15.40 | jacekowski | TomaszD: raczej wydaje mi sie ze popsulem paczke |
| 22:15.47 | TomaszD | no to musisz na niego poczekaÄ :) jak puÅcisz przez autobuilder to siÄ pojawi |
| 22:16.02 | jacekowski | a ty wiesz co to za maszyna jest? |
| 22:16.15 | jacekowski | bo mi sie na dosyc powaznym serwerze 2h ponad budowalo |
| 22:16.24 | TomaszD | o to siÄ nie martw. |
| 22:17.06 | jacekowski | pytanie teraz - jak ja chce paczke to ona musi byc autotoolsowa? |
| 22:17.28 | Proteous | I canmt take seriusly any language that uses that many z's y's and w's |
| 22:17.31 | b-man|laptop | gah, i don't understand a word of this lol |
| 22:17.39 | TomaszD | alright alright... |
| 22:18.03 | TomaszD | jacekowski, I've no idea about autotools being somehow required, I don't think so |
| 22:18.08 | Scelt | polish |
| 22:18.25 | Scelt | czech= |
| 22:18.29 | jacekowski | polish |
| 22:18.34 | javispedro | stop complaining, curiosity won here and I already used google translator :) |
| 22:18.35 | Scelt | yeah \o/ |
| 22:18.57 | jacekowski | google translator fails on something like that |
| 22:19.03 | Scelt | no mieti jos puhuttais suomea. ei kai tästäkään tolkkua saa. osaiskohan googlekaan käännellä? |
| 22:19.03 | jacekowski | well google translator fails on polish |
| 22:19.16 | mgedmin | kaip linksma ir smagu girdÄti daug kalbų! |
| 22:19.33 | javispedro | probably, but there's not enough stuff to criticise about extras to make understanding any discussion a hard exercise >:) |
| 22:19.34 | Scelt | You just went over the line, man. Klingon is prohibited! |
| 22:19.53 | mgedmin | this is going into my signature file |
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| 22:20.07 | Scelt | mgedmin: what language? |
| 22:20.44 | mgedmin | oh, right, my shiny maemo IRC cloak obscures my hostname, which ends in .lt |
| 22:20.47 | b-man|laptop | lol, tÅumacze sÄ
niesamowite! xD |
| 22:20.48 | mgedmin | lithuanian |
| 22:20.55 | Scelt | jacekowski: I visited Poland last year's summer... or maybe it was a year before that. but anyhow, your driving culture is insane! |
| 22:21.02 | mgedmin | although sitting in #ubuntu-lt is a dead giveaway |
| 22:21.19 | Scelt | mgedmin: WHOIS This command could not be completed because it has been used recently, and is rate-limited. |
| 22:21.22 | Scelt | ;P |
| 22:21.24 | mgedmin | drove through Poland twice, it was an unforgettable experience |
| 22:21.49 | Scelt | the taxi drivers are awful |
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| 22:21.57 | b-man|laptop | rofl |
| 22:22.19 | mgedmin | truck drivers are scary, when they're overtaking each other in a narrow two-lane country road |
| 22:22.23 | b-man|laptop | Scelt: what did they do to you? xD |
| 22:22.46 | TomaszD | oh come on, it's not that bad |
| 22:22.52 | Scelt | b-man|laptop: drive too madly. they drive like there's no tomorrow. |
| 22:22.59 | b-man|laptop | LOL |
| 22:23.23 | jacekowski | can anybody with fresh scratchbox show me result of /usr/include/ |
| 22:23.26 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 22:23.27 | b-man|laptop | Scelt: hey, at least they get there fast! xD |
| 22:23.30 | jacekowski | find /usr/include/ |
| 22:23.46 | Scelt | b-man|laptop: yeah, sure. if they get there... |
| 22:23.55 | b-man|laptop | lol |
| 22:24.28 | TomaszD | if you want really bad driving, go to south africa, we're a bit better over here :P |
| 22:24.31 | Scelt | I can take the highspeed and overtakings, but when driver seems to scare too, it's going off the limits |
| 22:24.56 | Scelt | TomaszD: at least they don't go so fast with donkeys :D |
| 22:25.12 | jacekowski | Scelt: the most scarry thing happened to me in UK |
| 22:25.19 | Scelt | jacekowski: tell me more |
| 22:25.23 | jacekowski | Scelt: i was doing steady 90mph |
| 22:25.35 | TomaszD | heh, already illegal, but do go on |
| 22:25.36 | jacekowski | and there was like a hill with a bend |
| 22:25.42 | b-man|laptop | rofl |
| 22:26.00 | b-man|laptop | i see where this is going! :D |
| 22:26.00 | jacekowski | and somebody was overtaking huge lorry |
| 22:26.13 | jacekowski | and he was probably doing another 90mph as well |
| 22:26.19 | Scelt | :-D |
| 22:26.31 | TomaszD | so the scary thing was you not adjusting your speed to road conditions, ok |
| 22:26.45 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:26.49 | TomaszD | and doing way over the limit |
| 22:26.53 | jacekowski | speed limit on that road was 60 |
| 22:26.58 | b-man|laptop | xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 22:27.05 | Scelt | btw, are they really using mph in UK too? I thought only USA and that one african country used them anymore |
| 22:27.05 | jacekowski | so that wouldn't be that much difference |
| 22:27.27 | SpeedEvil_ | speed limits are not recommended speeds. |
| 22:27.29 | jacekowski | Scelt: yep, we are using miles here |
| 22:27.39 | Scelt | jacekowski: you in UK? |
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| 22:27.43 | jacekowski | yes |
| 22:27.50 | Scelt | okay |
| 22:27.56 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil_: i know, it's minimum speed on the road |
| 22:28.20 | Scelt | going 30 miles (~50 kmh) over the speed limit would end up losing the driving card in Finland |
| 22:28.21 | TomaszD | we treat the speed "limits" as vague suggestions over here |
| 22:28.33 | b-man|laptop | hehe |
| 22:28.49 | TomaszD | you have a case in point in the story |
| 22:28.55 | jacekowski | Scelt: here the same |
| 22:28.59 | jacekowski | Scelt: if you get caught |
| 22:29.09 | Scelt | jacekowski: yeah, if :) |
| 22:29.13 | b-man|laptop | "we suggest 30mph, but you can go 60 if you want" LOL |
| 22:29.38 | TomaszD | no, you don't lose your license if you go 50kmh over the speed limit jacekowski, or are you talking about UK? |
| 22:29.50 | jacekowski | UK |
| 22:29.55 | jacekowski | well you don't lose it |
| 22:29.58 | jacekowski | you go to court |
| 22:30.09 | jacekowski | somebody at work did it |
| 22:30.10 | b-man|laptop | same in the US |
| 22:30.11 | Scelt | but still. we Finns drive pretty nicely after all. Going 140 kmh when limit is 120 kmh and stuff like that, when you get away with a general ticket and maximum of 115 euro payment |
| 22:30.29 | jacekowski | but he was doing over 110 mph on a bike |
| 22:30.55 | jacekowski | ( he overtook undercover police car while training pursuit ) |
| 22:31.00 | jacekowski | he got arrested |
| 22:31.03 | jacekowski | went to court |
| 22:31.07 | jacekowski | and left with month ban |
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| 22:32.36 | TomaszD | god damn, I hope you don't speak the same way as you write, because you seem to have a general aversion towards articles, sorry, I can't get over it |
| 22:32.39 | TomaszD | :) |
| 22:32.46 | Scelt | somewhere in Lapland I could drive really over the limits but not here. Police is everywhere and I don't wanna lose my license. it costs too much |
| 22:32.47 | b-man|laptop | jacekowski: where i'm at, if your pulled over for speeding and your under 18, you automatically loose you license until your 18 |
| 22:33.22 | Scelt | b-man|laptop: we also get one year ban for getting one |
| 22:33.39 | b-man|laptop | heh |
| 22:35.27 | SpeedEvil_ | There is the alternative speed regulation of course. |
| 22:35.49 | SpeedEvil_ | Fuel costing 1.20 pounds a litre |
| 22:35.57 | crashanddie | no it doesn't |
| 22:36.15 | crashanddie | it's barely $1 per litre! |
| 22:36.18 | jacekowski | and i still remember when it used to be under 1 pound |
| 22:36.20 | SpeedEvil_ | ($8/us gallon) |
| 22:36.43 | Scelt | jacekowski: we shall thank the yankees for that |
| 22:36.47 | jacekowski | well but our's is 95 and yours is 87 i think |
| 22:36.59 | Scelt | 87 :-D |
| 22:37.01 | jacekowski | that's why us cars use mor fuel |
| 22:37.11 | jacekowski | and it works out at about same price per km |
| 22:37.16 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil_: I suddenly realise how deranged Australia is. Dollars, but litres. |
| 22:37.25 | Scelt | we have 95, 98 and V-POWER WROOM WROOM |
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| 22:37.48 | jacekowski | yeah we have 97 and v-power |
| 22:37.52 | b-man|laptop | wants a smart car |
| 22:37.58 | crashanddie | anyway, if this is going to become an anti-american discussion, I'm off to work |
| 22:38.04 | crashanddie | 'later |
| 22:38.17 | Scelt | we didn't get there yet! |
| 22:38.21 | Scelt | damn |
| 22:38.28 | lardman | hey and bye crashanddie" |
| 22:38.30 | lardman | ! |
| 22:38.31 | Scelt | well, I better get to sleep then |
| 22:38.42 | Scelt | everyone has a place to go |
| 22:38.43 | crashanddie | yo lardman |
| 22:39.09 | Scelt | g'nights you little nerdieboys |
| 22:39.21 | b-man|laptop | blasts his music |
| 22:41.21 | mece | ~seen Cpasjuste |
| 22:41.25 | infobot | cpasjuste <~cpasjuste@mydedibox.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 2h 56m 44s ago, saying: 'actually i'm trying to see why the "flasher" utility do not work from bootmenu.sh script'. |
| 22:41.37 | mece | 22 days ago ey |
| 22:41.38 | mece | damn |
| 22:41.55 | jacekowski | can anybody send me result of find /usr/include in armel scratchbox? |
| 22:43.25 | mece | jacekowski, sure.. but I have lots of stuff installed that isn't there from scratch (pun intended) |
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| 22:46.36 | mece | jacekowski, http://pastebin.com/gh3LtM3A |
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| 22:47.44 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 22:47.55 | jacekowski | i need somebody with virgin scratchbox |
| 22:48.05 | javispedro | may I ask why? |
| 22:48.35 | jacekowski | because i copied lot of files by hand to /usr/include |
| 22:48.39 | jacekowski | to make chrome compile |
| 22:49.36 | mece | I can't believe I actually managed to improve something! |
| 22:49.57 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, just unpack the rootstrap |
| 22:50.01 | MohammadAG | re-unpack |
| 22:50.52 | jacekowski | it will not delete additional files |
| 22:50.52 | MohammadAG | then rm -r /usr/lib and unpack |
| 22:50.52 | jacekowski | that's asking for a disaster |
| 22:50.52 | mece | unpack it somewhere else |
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| 22:50.53 | lardman | night all |
| 22:50.53 | jacekowski | that's what i'm going to do |
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| 22:55.04 | jacekowski | well, there are some files that are not in rootstrap and are not created by me |
| 22:55.45 | djkrikke | is there any way to repeat sms alerts on the n900? |
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| 23:14.29 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R |
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| 23:15.58 | w00t_ | has working comments read support in facebrick now o/ |
| 23:16.40 | MohammadAG | congratulates w00t_ |
| 23:18.43 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:20.35 | MohammadAG | pings X-Fade and asks him to change the maintainer of http://maemo.org/packages/view/facebrick/ |
| 23:21.12 | javispedro | anybody can request being a maintainer of it |
| 23:21.39 | MohammadAG | javispedro, how? |
| 23:21.48 | javispedro | login, visit that page, click "request" |
| 23:21.55 | MohammadAG | w00t_, ^ :) |
| 23:22.08 | w00t_ | does |
| 23:23.16 | MohammadAG | never noticed that button |
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| 23:23.29 | MohammadAG | gets emails |
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| 23:24.32 | MohammadAG | err |
| 23:24.45 | MohammadAG | I wanted to change maintainers not add w00t_ lol |
| 23:25.31 | MohammadAG | w00t_, is there a request to remove me? |
| 23:25.39 | javispedro | doubt it |
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| 23:25.58 | MohammadAG | grins |
| 23:25.59 | w00t_ | looks |
| 23:26.30 | w00t_ | doesn't look like it |
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| 23:27.14 | MohammadAG | requests that he is removed |
| 23:27.22 | MohammadAG | w00t_, there, that's in the logs |
| 23:27.30 | MohammadAG | if you find anyone to fix it :) |
| 23:28.06 | w00t_ | k |
| 23:28.19 | w00t_ | gahh |
| 23:28.22 | w00t_ | kicks n900 wifi |
| 23:28.24 | w00t_ | stay connected |
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| 23:36.25 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: chromium still does not show up, you know what's going on? And btw, did you use 'user/network' instead of 'network' for chromium to appear in HAM? |
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| 23:38.09 | slingr | someone sent me a list of good repositories to add yesterday but i didn't bookmark it |
| 23:38.13 | slingr | anyone have the link? |
| 23:39.03 | GeneralAntilles | slingr, |
| 23:39.04 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 23:39.05 | infobot | extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 23:39.31 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, he used user/network |
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| 23:40.41 | ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: it was me, hold on. |
| 23:40.53 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: i'm making proper package now anyways |
| 23:40.54 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: cool. But why chromium still does not appear? |
| 23:40.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: ok... |
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| 23:41.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: don't forget to bump the version so you can deprecate your old package :) |
| 23:41.38 | jacekowski | that's a little bit of a problem |
| 23:41.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: http://n900.aguilarj.com/?page_id=369 |
| 23:42.18 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, don't give out links to -devel / SDK repos without warnings! |
| 23:42.28 | MohammadAG | oh and no idea :) |
| 23:42.52 | slingr | thanks ptl |
| 23:43.03 | jacekowski | because i've used 5.0.369.2 as version |
| 23:43.10 | jacekowski | which is source chrome version |
| 23:43.20 | slingr | so would i find things liek nano in the maemo tools repo? |
| 23:43.22 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: sorry. :) next time will do |
| 23:43.40 | ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: as MohammadAG said, when you use extra repositories, you risk bricking your device, so take care!! |
| 23:43.47 | MohammadAG | ! |
| 23:43.52 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 23:44.16 | slingr | yeah, i had the n810 for years and i have quite a few years of debian experience.. so i'm not _too_ worried |
| 23:44.27 | MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, extras is defined by default I think |
| 23:44.32 | jacekowski | i forgot about one library that it depends on |
| 23:44.35 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: you should have added a 'package' version, like chromium-5.0.369.2-1 |
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| 23:44.49 | jacekowski | libnss |
| 23:44.50 | ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: ok :) |
| 23:45.02 | ptl_demands_PR12 | libnss? |
| 23:45.02 | jacekowski | that package is just a disaster |
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| 23:45.13 | MohammadAG | 50MBs of it |
| 23:45.14 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 23:45.22 | ptl_demands_PR12 | weird; mine worked without that library, only libxss |
| 23:45.25 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I guess I had to use it if I went to a https page |
| 23:45.27 | bullet` | hello room |
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| 23:45.54 | jacekowski | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libnss3-1d |
| 23:45.58 | jacekowski | something like that |
| 23:46.16 | jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: i know that it was using headers from it |
| 23:46.28 | jacekowski | i think library is installed by default |
| 23:46.54 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: 50M |
| 23:46.55 | jacekowski | ? |
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| 23:47.12 | jacekowski | it's 20 here |
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| 23:47.15 | MohammadAG | you said the library was 50 |
| 23:47.22 | MohammadAG | uncompressed |
| 23:47.34 | jacekowski | that's whole package |
| 23:47.36 | jacekowski | not just library |
| 23:47.47 | jacekowski | nevermind |
| 23:47.52 | jacekowski | it's sleep time |
| 23:47.56 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, before you go |
| 23:48.01 | jacekowski | i've sleept less than 10h in last 3 days |
| 23:48.03 | MohammadAG | the debian/optify file |
| 23:48.14 | MohammadAG | does it need something to be applied? |
| 23:48.21 | ptl_demands_PR12 | good sleep! |
| 23:48.24 | jacekowski | i've got no idea |
| 23:48.27 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 23:48.31 | MohammadAG | night then :) |
| 23:48.40 | jacekowski | i just made it to work off /opt |
| 23:48.48 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 23:48.54 | MohammadAG | manual optification |
| 23:48.57 | MohammadAG | that's a PITA lol |
| 23:49.07 | ptl_demands_PR12 | does anyone use LyX here? |
| 23:50.25 | grishnav | omg |
| 23:50.29 | grishnav | i think i hate upstart |
| 23:51.22 | jacekowski | i hate it as well |
| 23:51.30 | jacekowski | my kubuntu is broken because of it |
| 23:51.41 | grishnav | is there some secret magic to getting upstart to start a daemon on startup? |
| 23:51.49 | grishnav | it simply _will not_ start my VPN |
| 23:52.00 | grishnav | on startup, that is |
| 23:52.09 | jacekowski | yes |
| 23:52.15 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.30 | grishnav | i put a file in there for it |
| 23:52.40 | grishnav | and if i use start openvpn |
| 23:52.42 | grishnav | it works fine |
| 23:52.47 | grishnav | but i want it to happen automatically |
| 23:52.57 | jacekowski | what's a content of your file |
| 23:53.29 | slingr | is maemo's repositories held somewhere different? i see nothing in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:54.00 | MohammadAG | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon(something) |
| 23:54.04 | MohammadAG | use tab |
| 23:54.09 | grishnav | jacekowski: /msg'd |
| 23:54.09 | MohammadAG | it starts with hildon |
| 23:54.11 | slingr | okies |
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| 23:54.18 | ptl_demands_PR12 | grishnav: you have to specify when it's supposed to start... "start on (something)" |
| 23:54.32 | grishnav | ptl_demands_PR12: it is... start on stopped rcS, just like sshd |
| 23:54.36 | slingr | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 23:54.47 | grishnav | i've also tried start on runlevel [2345] and start on startup |
| 23:54.50 | grishnav | and all those together |
| 23:54.56 | ptl_demands_PR12 | runlevels won't work |
| 23:55.48 | grishnav | well what does? there doesn't seem to be a list of events anywhere... |
| 23:56.17 | jacekowski | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ |
| 23:56.39 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, go to bed :P |
| 23:56.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | maybe it starts but bails out since the network is not on yet when you turn on the device, grishnav |
| 23:57.10 | grishnav | openvpn (stop) waiting |
| 23:57.39 | grishnav | ptl_demands_PR12: could be, but it shouldn't. openvpn will just set there and recycle itself in the absence of a network connection |
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| 23:57.43 | grishnav | plus, respawn is on |
| 23:58.09 | jacekowski | good night |
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| 23:58.46 | ptl_demands_PR12 | try start on started hildon-desktop |
| 23:58.57 | grishnav | i tried that one too, but let me try it again |
| 23:59.08 | jacekowski | besides |
| 23:59.13 | grishnav | is there a network even of some sort? |
| 23:59.17 | jacekowski | i really like a way how porn mode works in new opera |
| 23:59.36 | jacekowski | not like firefox that it switches whole browser to porn mode |
| 23:59.42 | jacekowski | it's just specific tabs |
