| 00:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | what's wrong?? you're kidding. they can't be used, as I have to press the blue Fn arrow each time - FOR CURSOR MOVEMENT :-(( |
| 00:00.54 | C-S-B-N900 | can you get away with not using an umlow or does it start making no sense? |
| 00:01.07 | C-S-B-N900 | ouch! can you not remap the key? |
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| 00:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | sure I can. But then I basically end up with a paper to recall the key positions |
| 00:02.38 | C-S-B-N900 | a paper? |
| 00:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | showing the real key mapping |
| 00:03.09 | C-S-B-N900 | I see your need for a new kb. |
| 00:03.24 | C-S-B-N900 | so can you omit an umlow? |
| 00:03.57 | C-S-B-N900 | and have you taken your n900 apart yet? |
| 00:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | I can cope with z and y swapped on german and english kbd. for the special keys that starts to get annoying though to remember where the symbols and punctuation are |
| 00:04.49 | C-S-B-N900 | ill be surprised if i dont at one point. |
| 00:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | I managed to avoid that. mainly due to missing replacement screws |
| 00:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | using new screws is mandatory |
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| 00:07.12 | C-S-B-N900 | do they strip? |
| 00:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | break |
| 00:07.51 | C-S-B-N900 | i read the requirement in the service manual |
| 00:08.20 | C-S-B-N900 | but i didn't realise it would mean they break! i assumed it was a quality decision. |
| 00:08.30 | C-S-B-N900 | how do they break? |
| 00:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | in two parts |
| 00:10.36 | C-S-B-N900 | any need for that, seems a bit odd. |
| 00:11.10 | C-S-B-N900 | i dont understand how they can break and be removed safely. |
| 00:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems they are worn after one machine assembly |
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| 00:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | well, they remove and break when you try to tighten them on reassembly |
| 00:12.28 | C-S-B-N900 | m5s wouldn't do that. :p |
| 00:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 00:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | away |
| 00:17.32 | C-S-B-N900 | after moving a sofa up 3 flights of stairs today, just holding my n900 seems to be a choir. |
| 00:19.01 | C-S-B-N900 | chore. |
| 00:19.05 | C-S-B-N900 | idiot. |
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| 00:36.35 | ptl | still wants PR1.2 |
| 00:38.53 | ptl | is working out at his home gym while he wanders around tmo topics and talks on IRC |
| 00:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | C-S-B-N900, it did make sense, though |
| 00:44.58 | C-S-B-N900 | i hate poor spelling |
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| 00:45.28 | C-S-B-N900 | when is 1.2 being pushed out? |
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| 00:46.09 | C-S-B-N900 | if ive flashed the global image to my uk phone, i should get the update normal time yeah? |
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| 00:49.10 | cehteh | eh is this "bike dashboard" available as open source software? |
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| 00:50.07 | ptl | cehteh: if it's not in the meantime you can use ecoach |
| 00:50.55 | cehteh | i dint seen this bike dashboard live yet, but ecoach isnt what i want |
| 00:51.14 | ptl | The blog post with the example code will be coming in a few days once CTIA 2010 has finished. The three teams of finalists are all busy exhibiting their hacks on the official Nokia booth and we'll have some video going live in a few days. |
| 00:51.20 | ptl | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48145&highlight=bike+dashboard |
| 00:51.49 | cehteh | so it will become a open app |
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| 01:02.17 | Arif_ | oo |
| 01:02.22 | Arif_ | the N900 changed the time by itself |
| 01:03.30 | haltdef | heh |
| 01:03.32 | haltdef | happy 2am |
| 01:03.47 | Arif_ | its 3! |
| 01:03.53 | Butcream | cool |
| 01:04.42 | crashanddie | Man, I'd love it if TMO would stop being such an ego-producing petri dish. |
| 01:04.44 | haltdef | n900 arriving on monday |
| 01:05.20 | crashanddie | I mean, wtf, elite here, conspiracy there, oppressive administrators, nokia apoligisers |
| 01:05.29 | crashanddie | seriously? |
| 01:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US |
| 01:06.15 | crashanddie | So the old-timers' elite is influenced by the council, which in turn is licking the administrators' sicle and telling the apologisers what to do? |
| 01:06.33 | crashanddie | Ctrl Alt Elite mofo! |
| 01:06.53 | cehteh | note for what TALK in talk.maemo.org stands for .. |
| 01:07.24 | javispedro | ponders which of gazillion threads that could potentially match crashanddie's experience he's talking about. |
| 01:07.25 | crashanddie | text and letters, kunt? |
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| 01:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | s/(^.*)/small\1/ |
| 01:07.52 | cehteh | some people believe they change the world by just talking intensive enough |
| 01:08.11 | cehteh | the more they talk, the less they code .. many only talk |
| 01:08.32 | crashanddie | it has been a very, very long time ever since the majority of people on tmo were devs |
| 01:08.43 | crashanddie | and coders-only isn't what we need either |
| 01:08.53 | cehteh | yep |
| 01:09.03 | crashanddie | but jeesus, why the fuck did we have to inherrit all the roswell fanatics? |
| 01:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | pfeew |
| 01:09.06 | cehteh | but still only talking doesnt change much if ever |
| 01:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | it changed crashanddie's mood obviously |
| 01:10.57 | lcuk | crashanddie, so what should tmo be discussing |
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| 01:11.18 | crashanddie | discuss whatever you want |
| 01:11.25 | crashanddie | but stop antagonising blame and moaning |
| 01:11.29 | lcuk | has enjoyed some recent threads |
| 01:11.41 | crashanddie | oh yeah, no, definitely, there is some good stuff in there |
| 01:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | hard to find |
| 01:12.05 | lcuk | how do i make a mouse work on a glass table |
| 01:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | get a better one |
| 01:12.38 | lcuk | tracy would shout, the table was expensive |
| 01:12.45 | lcuk | prefers wooden |
| 01:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | beter mouse would do as well |
| 01:13.15 | lcuk | can they work on glass? |
| 01:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | some claim they can |
| 01:13.32 | lcuk | this is a laser one? |
| 01:13.48 | cehteh | lcuk: some laser mouses work on glass table |
| 01:13.57 | cehteh | and old roller ball mouses work too |
| 01:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | err, not really |
| 01:14.22 | lcuk | :) cehteh indeed |
| 01:14.24 | lcuk | a ball mouse |
| 01:14.25 | cehteh | well you can sand/etch the surface that would help too :P |
| 01:14.36 | lcuk | i would still be using one but i have only got ps2 version |
| 01:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | or take a marker |
| 01:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | trow some dust on it ;-) |
| 01:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | throw even |
| 01:15.07 | lcuk | meh ill just finish setting up my new pooter |
| 01:15.16 | javispedro | or get a ... mouse pad. |
| 01:15.34 | cehteh | hydrofluoric acid (or whatever the english name is) |
| 01:16.02 | cehteh | its a bit nasty to handle .. but well |
| 01:16.26 | DocScrutinizer | some scars might do |
| 01:16.34 | cehteh | (a drop on your skin and you die in pain) |
| 01:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 01:17.25 | lcuk | ms windows clock on the setup fails on touchscreen |
| 01:17.34 | lcuk | widgets are tiny and unfreindly |
| 01:17.44 | lcuk | unfriendly too |
| 01:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | HF isn't exactly healthy, but I don't think it's such toxic |
| 01:17.53 | cehteh | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorwasserstoffs%A4ure#Biologische_Bedeutung |
| 01:17.58 | cehteh | damn xchat |
| 01:18.09 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: its one of the most nasty substances |
| 01:18.22 | cehteh | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorwasserstoffs%C3%A4ure#Biologische_Bedeutung |
| 01:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't die of a single drop, though |
| 01:19.21 | lcuk | depends where the drop is tho |
| 01:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you will have some doctor stick needles into you and inject calcium chloride in multiple painful steps, though |
| 01:19.40 | lcuk | if it dropped on my pants i think i might die in pain |
| 01:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, nasty stuff |
| 01:20.03 | cehteh | well depends on the treatmet you get, if you try to rub it off you worsen it .. if not treated it might be serious to fatal when the acid is concentrated |
| 01:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but a single drop sounds a bit too little for death |
| 01:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but yes... people died of exposure |
| 01:21.06 | cehteh | well want to volunteer in an experiment? :) |
| 01:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, some guy did in ##chemistry and wouldn't go to a doctor |
| 01:22.04 | lcuk | thats like people that carry on ircing |
| 01:22.15 | lcuk | yeah and today we OMG ive been shot" |
| 01:22.23 | lcuk | "its bleeding" |
| 01:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't think so |
| 01:23.20 | lcuk | arghhhh windows ui using touch only is shat |
| 01:23.27 | cehteh | learned a chemistry job actually ... looong ago |
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| 03:19.49 | crashanddie | probably a bit old for some: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqnOqfehJE |
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| 06:57.46 | LuciusMare | Hello, how does one set user's PATH, and does busybox have it's file that's executed on start? |
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| 07:03.13 | LiraNuna | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCx8RfNhhXk |
| 07:03.14 | LiraNuna | oh |
| 07:03.15 | LiraNuna | my |
| 07:03.16 | LiraNuna | god |
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| 07:06.29 | LiraNuna | where can we get those demos?! |
| 07:06.37 | LiraNuna | they look very practical |
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| 07:18.03 | LuciusMare | hm. And will it mess the system if i will change "user"'s default shell to bash? |
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| 07:27.40 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: I guess there's a reason they're demos, and not "Newly released software" |
| 07:28.14 | LiraNuna | are you suggesting something? :) |
| 07:28.53 | LuciusMare | on fremantle |
| 07:29.50 | LiraNuna | LuciusMare, I would love to know that too |
| 07:29.55 | LiraNuna | I find ash annoying |
| 07:30.14 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: me? Suggesting? Never. |
| 07:31.17 | LuciusMare | LiraNuna: k, i will try... |
| 07:31.39 | LuciusMare | but one last thing: does the backup app cover the /home ? |
| 07:32.02 | LuciusMare | or, if i would need to reflash, does it erase the /home? |
| 07:32.53 | LiraNuna | I believe reflashing wipes everything |
| 07:32.58 | LiraNuna | at least it does on N810 |
| 07:33.09 | LiraNuna | everything internal, that is |
| 07:33.15 | LuciusMare | :o |
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| 07:34.25 | LuciusMare | k, MyDocs? |
| 07:34.43 | LiraNuna | / |
| 07:35.01 | LiraNuna | I didn't reflash my N900 yet, but N810, everything goes away |
| 07:35.07 | LuciusMare | wow |
| 07:36.28 | LiraNuna | +in |
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| 07:39.14 | LuciusMare | hm, it seems that mydocs stays there |
| 07:39.55 | LiraNuna | oh that's nice to know |
| 07:40.04 | LiraNuna | I recall everything wipes away on N810 |
| 07:40.24 | LiraNuna | my poor N810 didn't get any attention since I got my n900 |
| 07:40.26 | LiraNuna | goes to pet it |
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| 07:49.24 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: no, the internal memory card wasn't touched during flash either |
| 07:49.36 | crashanddie | even on the n810 |
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| 07:55.24 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, weird, I recall everything wiping away |
| 07:55.42 | crashanddie | that's alsheimer's |
| 07:57.36 | LiraNuna | I forgot how awesome the N810WE keyboard is |
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| 08:39.18 | t_s_o | sometimes its worrying to see 3 year old bugs with patches provied linger in the bug tracker... |
| 08:39.36 | Stskeeps | well, some are getting picked up by lma |
| 08:40.05 | Stskeeps | but honestly, best way to include patches is through maemo.gitorious.org |
| 08:40.24 | t_s_o | maybe now, but was it back then? |
| 08:44.59 | Stskeeps | yeah, i agree it is worrying |
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| 09:08.25 | LuciusMare | okay, so setting bash as default shell works, but not exactly as expected |
| 09:08.48 | LuciusMare | $PS1 is kinda screwed up, and .bashrc is not executed after running |
| 09:10.07 | LuciusMare | but that is xterm's problem, i guess, running bash (again) from the prompt works |
| 09:10.29 | Stskeeps | does rebooting work? |
| 09:10.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:10.40 | LuciusMare | erm. |
| 09:10.49 | LuciusMare | I just rebooted ;) |
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| 09:11.51 | LuciusMare | gah, but it kinda pisses me off :< |
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| 09:13.44 | LuciusMare | I'll make a thread on tmo... |
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| 09:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | hooray for thread o tmo |
| 09:33.24 | Stskeeps | which one? |
| 09:33.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 09:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.58 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: how would you say your ideal development environment for MeeGo would be? |
| 09:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | meego topics after first coffee only - esp on sundays :-P |
| 09:34.44 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 09:34.48 | Stskeeps | brews a cup for DocScrutinizer |
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| 09:43.27 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 09:44.29 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 09:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, my current ideas along the line "eclipse, with integrated qt-designer, linguist, ssh, sftp, and remote gdb" might indicate the coffee needs some time to kick in :-P |
| 09:45.13 | atiti | i needa try mer |
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| 09:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: anyway to me it seems I'd like a client-server architecture for dev environment (where server is either a real device like N900, or an emu on same or different PC than the client), rather than this bizarre chroot setup we got now |
| 09:52.14 | LuciusMare | Hi, i set bash as default shell for user, but there are a few problems, for example .bashrc is not executed and $PS* variables are set differently. I use fremantle |
| 09:52.52 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: would a VM where you can test locally on x86 and then with one command build for arm work too? |
| 09:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: this all is really welknown, not only for maemo (rather for all friggin messybox based systems) |
| 09:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sure, as long as VM is the server part running the target architecture, and I "log in" to it from my usual working environment |
| 09:55.35 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: Too bad, but thanks for answering :) |
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| 09:55.47 | man_in_ltop | i'm wondering if there's a sort of general-purpose hierarchical data storage thingy for maemo |
| 09:56.28 | corecode_ | upstart is completely broken in maemo |
| 09:56.41 | Stskeeps | really? :P |
| 09:58.14 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: also, nothing really wrong with busybox, although it is maybe too "lightweight" for maemo |
| 09:58.45 | Stskeeps | also, it's gplv2 |
| 09:58.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | I *HATE* BUSYBOX |
| 09:59.19 | LuciusMare | Why? |
| 09:59.24 | RST38h | crashed the hildon status bar |
| 09:59.25 | man_in_ltop | pfft, busybox is only marginally less awesome than bourne |
| 09:59.31 | RST38h | how funny is that? |
| 09:59.35 | man_in_ltop | and everyone knows bourne is the most awesome shell in the universe ;) |
| 09:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | and - honestly - I found very little not to be wrong with messybox |
| 09:59.55 | Stskeeps | scratchbox or busybox? |
| 09:59.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | BUSYBOX, I *HATE* BUSYBOX |
| 10:00.36 | LuciusMare | ... |
| 10:00.43 | corecode_ | beep |
| 10:00.46 | corecode_ | upstart, anyone? |
| 10:01.03 | corecode_ | it keeps hanging when i use "start", and doesn't launch on boot |
| 10:01.21 | LuciusMare | busybox is great, but it does not fit into maemo |
| 10:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | less is a crippled more, like almost all cmds are. the whole concept isn't for interactive use |
| 10:01.57 | LuciusMare | well, that's the point |
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| 10:02.53 | LuciusMare | Would you want to have this pile of full-blown gnu utilities... at a router? |
| 10:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | messybox is a script interpreter for non-interactive systems' initscripts - if it's useful for anything at all |
| 10:03.06 | TTilus | my n900 has my timezone wrong, last night we went EET->EEST but if i have "automatical" selected in date/time settings it gives me EET |
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| 10:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | actually for that (executing initscripts) it's not that bad. Good design for this purpose |
| 10:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | for a user login shell it's simply FUBAR |
| 10:05.17 | corecode_ | initscripts don't work! |
| 10:05.23 | corecode_ | at least the upstart ones |
| 10:05.32 | corecode_ | i'd like to have zsh anyhow |
| 10:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: how comes my phone performs remarkably good, without working upstart scripts? ;-P |
| 10:06.42 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: you tell me |
| 10:06.52 | Stskeeps | corecode_: as in /etc/rc?.d ones? :P |
| 10:06.55 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: most scripts are init.d style ones |
| 10:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | I tell you you're wrong |
| 10:06.57 | RST38h | MSI informed the over 97,000 people registered with its support forums that its reps were "fed up" with repeating information easily found in user manuals. The company even went so far as to say that it had installed an "RTFM" chip on its hardware boards to determine whether users had read their manuals and that anyone who hadn't read them would be banned from support. |
| 10:07.03 | corecode_ | Stskeeps: no, as in /etc/event.d ones |
| 10:07.14 | Stskeeps | RST38h: excellent |
| 10:07.18 | RST38h | "...and don't ever write us again, bitch" |
| 10:07.23 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: just try a simple one, it hangs here while starting |
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| 10:08.45 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:08.51 | LuciusMare | hi |
| 10:09.00 | lardman | anyone have a pointer to file selection dialogs in Qt? |
| 10:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: cool, but a month and some days too early |
| 10:09.14 | LuciusMare | and anyway, DocScrutinizer, what does busybox have to do with these problems? I thought that it's just xterm that runs the shell... |
| 10:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: yeah probably |
| 10:09.57 | lardman | is needed for scripts too |
| 10:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | first coffe didn't kick in yet |
| 10:10.27 | lardman | is on the way for another too! :) |
| 10:10.35 | lardman | I'll grab one for you too |
| 10:10.42 | ShadowJK | less is crippled? I thought that was terminfo not busybox issue ;p |
| 10:11.06 | ShadowJK | having to press ctrl-j instead of enter.. |
| 10:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: lol |
| 10:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you ever tried to search text in busybox-less? |
| 10:12.00 | ShadowJK | uh, I have real less installed afaik |
| 10:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | you bet me too |
| 10:12.20 | ShadowJK | and that works except ctrl-j instead of return |
| 10:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | no issue here |
| 10:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 10:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | or I never noticed? |
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| 10:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | but for busybox topic - *all* cmds are totally crippled. Well almost all |
| 10:14.17 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.03 | corecode_ | gives up on plain upstart and creates init.d script |
| 10:15.04 | RST38h | DocScrut: ls works. |
| 10:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | so rather than having messybox PLUS coreutils, binutils, findutils, less, you-name-it, I'd rather prefer a decent bash-based setup, completely messybox free |
| 10:15.27 | corecode_ | bash? |
| 10:15.28 | corecode_ | eek. |
| 10:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: WHAT works? |
| 10:15.40 | RST38h | another BSD user? =) |
| 10:15.43 | ShadowJK | I suspect meego isn't having busybox :) |
| 10:15.55 | RST38h | DocScrut: I can type "ls" in BusyBox and it show me directory listing! |
| 10:15.57 | corecode_ | zsh kplz |
| 10:16.36 | ShadowJK | busybox sh line editing isn't utf8 proof |
| 10:16.43 | ShadowJK | that annoys me the most |
| 10:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: incredible!!1!!!1!! |
| 10:18.51 | ShadowJK | hehe, get this, I was listening to streaming music with default media player over hsdpa 2 bars of signal, and i held hand near antenna too long, phone switched to 2.5g, I removed hand and it went back to 3.5g, without any interruption in music! |
| 10:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: try 'busybox ls --help' vs '/bin/ls --help' |
| 10:21.05 | corecode_ | how come the tools in scratchbox are others than on the device? |
| 10:21.32 | Stskeeps | cos it's scratchbox |
| 10:21.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: see? ^^^ |
| 10:22.14 | Stskeeps | isn't a scratchbox fan but it does some things right |
| 10:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: server-client plz |
| 10:22.24 | Stskeeps | i'm a OBS fan personally :P |
| 10:23.11 | LuciusMare | gah |
| 10:23.26 | LuciusMare | /home/user # apt-get install coreutils |
| 10:23.39 | LuciusMare | busybox is already the newest version. |
| 10:24.10 | LuciusMare | oh, coreutils-gnu >_> |
| 10:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: your one cmdline makes me think you're invoking apt-get as user 'user' |
| 10:24.41 | ShadowJK | installing coreutils replacing busybox used to be guaranteed way to brick device :) |
| 10:24.42 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: see the '#' ? |
| 10:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | ahh |
| 10:24.57 | LuciusMare | ShadowJK: used to be? |
| 10:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 10:25.24 | ShadowJK | hopefully coreutils-gnu thingy puts it in /opt/gnu or something solaris/bsd-like |
| 10:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | as the friggin initscripts rely on messybox bugs to work correctly |
| 10:25.59 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ah yes, run-parts -l for instance :P |
| 10:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | I *HATE* BUSYBOX! |
| 10:26.27 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK, /usr/bin/gnu |
| 10:26.41 | ShadowJK | facepalms |
| 10:26.56 | dottedmag | back to the SunOS |
| 10:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeeeha! |
| 10:27.06 | SpeedEvil | well - which is a symlink to /opt |
| 10:27.33 | dottedmag | /usr/xpg4/bin/sh |
| 10:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | migration SunOS to Solaris was... err, real fun? |
| 10:27.59 | ShadowJK | even /usr/gnu with symlinks would have been less facepalm |
| 10:28.26 | LuciusMare | I do not hate busybox, yet i agree with DocScrutinizer, N900 (or fremantle, if you will) deserves a full blown installation, like this, it is stuck right between power user tool and a clevarphone |
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| 10:29.00 | dottedmag | Well, I recently spotted /usr/share/beep.wav in my (quite small compared to Maemo) embedded system - It's easy to do it wrong without regular review and cleanup. |
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| 10:29.09 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare, wrong. |
| 10:29.27 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare, at least for script use |
| 10:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | BAH |
| 10:29.52 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare, busybox tools are ver nloticable faster and lower RAM |
| 10:30.16 | SpeedEvil | as it' all in ram anyway |
| 10:30.19 | ShadowJK | so are busybox tools posix compliant? ;p |
| 10:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'd happily watch each boot take 5 extra seconds, just to know it's done by a decent shell, rather than messybox |
| 10:30.31 | dottedmag | ShadowJK: it's a bug if not |
| 10:30.48 | dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: it's a religion (or similar brain-damageness) |
| 10:30.48 | ShadowJK | ah, that's fine then |
| 10:30.58 | LuciusMare | for script use, yes. But as ds DS said, not for interactive use |
| 10:31.12 | ShadowJK | because if you stray outside posix you're un unportable-land anyway ;p |
| 10:31.22 | dottedmag | For interactive use I'd install zsh. Rest of tools are quite ok |
| 10:31.39 | dottedmag | And there's bunch of DESKTOP_* config options to enable more useful options. |
| 10:32.09 | dottedmag | So it might have sense to ping virtuoso to enable those in newer busybox as he updates it in maemo. |
| 10:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the 'lower on ram' bit I give a shit as on init we got plenty of ram, and I'd hope messybox frees ram as does bash |
| 10:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for the 'faster' we still need decent figures |
| 10:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | and for regular everyday scripting you want a decent POSIX conformant shell anyway, won't you? |
| 10:34.28 | dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: busybox shell is a decent posix conformant shell. |
| 10:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha |
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| 10:34.53 | dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: prove non-conformance. |
| 10:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | so how comes maemo init breaks on replacing messybox coreutils?? |
| 10:35.18 | dottedmag | Okay, you can't. |
| 10:35.23 | SpeedEvil | lower on ram - start 2 bashes and ashes, and look at pss |
| 10:35.30 | SpeedEvil | of the second |
| 10:36.13 | SpeedEvil | google smem for a good tool to look at PSS |
| 10:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | dottedmag: wouldn't you agree a shell like bash is proven to be POSIX? and coreutils as well? Why can't initscripts run with coreutils installed then? |
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| 10:37.13 | dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: NO |
| 10:37.27 | dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: there are lot of bugs in bash |
| 10:37.43 | LuciusMare | bug free != posix complaint |
| 10:37.52 | dottedmag | oh shit |
| 10:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | ok, show me a case where messybox is right, and bash fails, please |
| 10:38.35 | dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: It's your obligation to prove that busybox ash is wrong, as you started the whining. |
| 10:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | show me a proof for messybox being more POSIX than coreutils |
| 10:38.52 | dottedmag | And stop "more" bullshit. |
| 10:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | dottedmag: I'll simply stop arguing with you, sir |
| 10:39.43 | LuciusMare | heh, funny |
| 10:39.53 | LuciusMare | What is the command to get battery level? |
| 10:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | lshal |
| 10:40.12 | DocScrutinizer | |grep bat |
| 10:40.32 | LuciusMare | My tablet just got reseted because of low battery, I let it charge for ~10 minutes and yet it shows full battery level |
| 10:40.36 | SpeedEvil | smem - look at http://www.mauve.plus.com/memlog |
| 10:40.48 | LuciusMare | for more than five minutes |
| 10:40.51 | SpeedEvil | some are surprisingly light in pss |
| 10:41.42 | SpeedEvil | camkeyd say - 8k |
| 10:42.31 | SpeedEvil | pss is proportional set size. |
| 10:43.04 | SpeedEvil | if 9 progs allocate 1 lib, each gets 1/9th added to its pss |
| 10:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what are you at, mate? |
| 10:43.45 | SpeedEvil | Going out into the garden to dig. |
| 10:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: know 'Blaumilch channel' ? |
| 10:44.20 | SpeedEvil | and commenting on ram use - especially of busybox |
| 10:44.23 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 10:45.08 | SpeedEvil | on another matter - anyone know of a thing that goes beep on low wifi sig? |
| 10:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Blaumilchkanal |
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| 10:50.07 | LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: no, if you will get one, tell me :) |
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| 10:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O2eYMlSBI0 |
| 10:51.33 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: what's that? |
| 10:51.38 | FIQ | ok, i don't know much about linux but wouldn't it be possible to make a symlink to /home/opt from, whatever applications prefer to be installed? |
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| 10:52.46 | dottedmag | FIQ: apps are installed to lot of different directories by default |
| 10:52.59 | FIQ | ah |
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| 11:06.00 | crashanddie | FIQ: linux doesn't work like windows, with a PRogram Files dir |
| 11:06.26 | FIQ | hm |
| 11:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: that's my take on SpeedEvil digging his garden day after day, for weeks |
| 11:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
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| 11:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | "The Big Dig" ;-P |
| 11:07.14 | RST38h | anyone knows why hildon notification bubbles would show up with the broken icon??? |
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| 11:08.29 | RST38h | ! |
| 11:08.47 | RST38h | VDVsx: Have you ever encontered a situation when hildon notification bubbles pop up with a broken image? |
| 11:09.01 | RST38h | (i.e. little broken document image to be exact) |
| 11:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sounds like 1.2 ? |
| 11:09.52 | RST38h | no |
| 11:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | a goat eaten your icon files? |
| 11:11.38 | LuciusMare | huh |
| 11:11.41 | VDVsx | RST38h, no, the yellow notes ? |
| 11:11.49 | LuciusMare | i have gcc-base installed, yet it goes "gcc: command not found" |
| 11:11.51 | RST38h | yes |
| 11:11.56 | RST38h | the LITTLE yellow notes |
| 11:12.01 | Stskeeps | hm, sygic is actually quite good |
| 11:12.08 | RST38h | ones which fly out then fly away |
| 11:12.10 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: gcc-defaults |
| 11:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | suggests strace to RST38h |
| 11:12.54 | RST38h | tried, didn't work |
| 11:13.02 | RST38h | does not find anything meaningful |
| 11:13.20 | RST38h | will try again, for the hell of it though |
| 11:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 11:13.47 | LuciusMare | Stskeeps: package nor command exist... |
| 11:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | if the icon data is linked in (i.e. no file) then that's really strange |
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| 11:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: heh, you made my phone nag me again ;-) |
| 11:15.13 | RST38h | How do I redirect strace output into a file? |
| 11:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: 0.1.8-3 |
| 11:15.49 | RST38h | ah -o |
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| 11:20.51 | RST38h | None of the icon files show up in the strace. Weird |
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| 11:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | statically linked data? |
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| 11:22.25 | LuciusMare | hm, can i compile on my n900? |
| 11:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | or you missed a fstat() or sth before, which decided the app can't find the correct directory |
| 11:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: I heard some brave guys did |
| 11:24.05 | LuciusMare | meh. |
| 11:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | actually N900 has more bang than my CF-27 panasonic toughbook. And I compiled real KDE apps there :-P |
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| 11:25.05 | LuciusMare | ha |
| 11:25.28 | LuciusMare | the only thing that holds me down is the little fact that gcc is not in repos |
| 11:25.50 | crashanddie | it isn't? |
| 11:25.58 | LuciusMare | well |
| 11:26.05 | crashanddie | that's weird, I wonder how everyone manages to compile shit for the n900 then? |
| 11:26.06 | LuciusMare | there is gcc-4.2-base |
| 11:26.14 | LuciusMare | crashanddie: scratchbox? |
| 11:26.22 | crashanddie | and? |
| 11:26.33 | LuciusMare | that's a cross-compiling env |
| 11:26.36 | crashanddie | and? |
| 11:26.45 | LuciusMare | aint it obvious? |
| 11:26.51 | crashanddie | not to you apparently |
| 11:26.54 | MohammadAG | is there a way to clone a repository? |
| 11:27.00 | LuciusMare | :< |
| 11:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: scratchbox isn't exactly a xcompile setup aiui |
| 11:27.32 | LuciusMare | okay, DS said that some brave guys did |
| 11:27.46 | LuciusMare | some brave guys probably didnt code all the apps for maemo |
| 11:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | it's more like a VM with genuine tools for target arch |
| 11:28.49 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: add deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free non-free to your repos, then apt-get install build-essential |
| 11:28.57 | crashanddie | erhm, sorry, that was for LuciusMare |
| 11:28.59 | RST38h | Mhm, real xchat starts via maemo-invoker |
| 11:29.02 | RST38h | Shit |
| 11:29.15 | LuciusMare | wont it eat my rootfs? |
| 11:29.27 | crashanddie | LuciusMare: sure will |
| 11:29.33 | RST38h | How do I strace THAT? |
| 11:29.57 | crashanddie | RST38h: plug JTAG right into your brain |
| 11:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: never even hreard of maemo-invoker |
| 11:30.17 | LuciusMare | crashanddie: sounds great |
| 11:30.18 | dottedmag | RST38h: through strace -f |
| 11:30.19 | crashanddie | some people only feel pain, others can see a brunette, blonde... |
| 11:30.39 | RST38h | dotted: does not work |
| 11:31.01 | dottedmag | RST38h: and what process does the actual fork/exec? just attach to it |
| 11:31.04 | crashanddie | LuciusMare: It's not optimal, but people have been developping on the n800 for quite some time, no reason the same things wouldn't work for n900 |
| 11:31.22 | RST38h | dotted: Probably some dbus crap |
| 11:31.42 | dottedmag | RST38h: dbus crap does not run anything, except services as described in service files. |
| 11:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles "easy debian" |
| 11:31.47 | LuciusMare | crashanddie: MyDocs chroot, maybe? |
| 11:31.53 | dottedmag | And I don't believe xchat is registered as dbus service. |
| 11:32.04 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: i heard something about it, but nothing more |
| 11:32.08 | RST38h | mhm, correct |
| 11:32.18 | RST38h | on the other hand, -f does not help |
| 11:32.52 | LuciusMare | meh |
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| 11:33.12 | LuciusMare | i guess that downloading the whole chroot on this gprs will be... |
| 11:33.16 | LuciusMare | slow. |
| 11:33.44 | dottedmag | RST38h: according to google, maemo-invoker calls maemo-launcher which does the actual work. |
| 11:33.59 | RST38h | makes an attempt to facepalm |
| 11:34.32 | LuciusMare | RST38h: you fail even at facepalming? *facepalms* |
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| 11:35.32 | FIQ | W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Write error - write (28 No space left on device) |
| 11:35.39 | FIQ | sounds nice. :d |
| 11:35.56 | RST38h | Ok, I am totally lost. |
| 11:35.59 | LuciusMare | ha |
| 11:36.03 | LuciusMare | FIQ: df / |
| 11:36.12 | FIQ | 4.4MB |
| 11:36.15 | FIQ | 8 did that |
| 11:36.26 | FIQ | s/8/i/ |
| 11:36.28 | RST38h | The icon in the left top corner of the bubbles shown by libnotify: where the hell does it come from??? |
| 11:36.46 | FIQ | or well, i used -h but w/e |
| 11:36.56 | MohammadAG | FIQ, df /var/lib/dpkg |
| 11:37.04 | LuciusMare | apt-clean |
| 11:37.16 | LuciusMare | s/n/r/ |
| 11:37.23 | FIQ | 4.3M available |
| 11:37.26 | LuciusMare | wait, no, clean :D |
| 11:37.42 | MohammadAG | FIQ, not the same command |
| 11:37.44 | FIQ | after the clean: 10.0M |
| 11:37.49 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 11:37.56 | LuciusMare | i optified mywhole /var/cache |
| 11:37.59 | MohammadAG | du -h /var/lib | grep M |
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| 11:38.42 | LuciusMare | rm -rf / ;P |
| 11:38.51 | LuciusMare | (I hope you dont do that) |
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| 11:39.14 | FIQ | lol, np |
| 11:39.18 | FIQ | i know what it does |
| 11:39.21 | FIQ | :) |
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| 11:39.29 | LuciusMare | i had this case on our local ubuntu forum |
| 11:39.45 | LuciusMare | he got banned for saying that to a noobie |
| 11:39.48 | FIQ | maybe i don't know much linux, but i'm not _that_ stupid. :P |
| 11:39.52 | FIQ | hah |
| 11:40.41 | LuciusMare | i was one of the mods... :/ |
| 11:41.30 | LuciusMare | back to our topic |
| 11:41.51 | LuciusMare | i recommend going through the "uninstall" menu in ham, it shows the size |
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| 11:42.13 | FIQ | hm |
| 11:42.24 | FIQ | can i check what takes spaces on where? |
| 11:42.57 | crashanddie | search tmo |
| 11:43.04 | crashanddie | there's a script by zerojay who does just that |
| 11:43.07 | LuciusMare | du -h /usr :) |
| 11:43.13 | corecode_ | alright |
| 11:43.19 | corecode_ | finally i got it all down |
| 11:43.22 | crashanddie | and also, it allows you to move stuff from the rootfs to the other partition |
| 11:43.33 | crashanddie | corecode_: too many blue pills at once? |
| 11:43.56 | LuciusMare | crashanddie: he took both |
| 11:43.59 | corecode_ | crashanddie: no, the debhelper scripts for maemo are broken |
| 11:44.12 | crashanddie | oh, condoleances |
| 11:44.15 | corecode_ | and upstart is old and undocumented |
| 11:44.37 | crashanddie | upstart? |
| 11:44.38 | corecode_ | = pain |
| 11:44.46 | corecode_ | the init.d replacement |
| 11:44.54 | crashanddie | hm |
| 11:47.28 | crashanddie | A beginner's guide to slashdot: get your karma up to "Excellent" by posting a handful of +5 comments, and then never spend all of your mod points = 5 mod points every day, unlimited karma |
| 11:48.27 | crashanddie | All your comments start with +2 to begin with, which tends to make them rise faster anyway (sheep effect, "oh, someone already modded him up, we need to make sure others can see it") |
| 11:49.18 | SpeedEvil | And there I was trying to clarify poorly understood points for the elucidation of others. |
| 11:49.34 | SpeedEvil | has been doing it wrong. |
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| 11:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | coughs |
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| 11:52.50 | FIQ | hm |
| 11:53.00 | FIQ | my battery died |
| 11:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: where you've been? |
| 11:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: du /usr|sort -n|less |
| 11:53.47 | FIQ | hm |
| 11:53.59 | FIQ | i don't know the syntax but it's wrong |
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| 11:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | nah,if there's anything wrong, then it's MESSYBOX |
| 11:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | I *HATE* BUSYBOX |
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| 11:55.02 | FIQ | eheh |
| 11:55.14 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: /. crowd praises itself to be more technically oriented, and less thick than the people at large because they, by self-classification think they are more critical thinkers and have a deeper understanding of the world |
| 11:55.38 | Ken-Young | Will meego use busybox? |
| 11:55.42 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: truth is, they're as misinformed and thick as the rest of the world |
| 11:55.45 | FIQ | anyway, why does "Maemo 5" showing up at the uninstall thing? |
| 11:56.00 | crashanddie | Ken-Young: saw a thread about that on the mailing lists, can't remember the outcome |
| 11:56.06 | FIQ | i have no plans at uninstalling it, and i'm pretty sure none else too |
| 11:56.50 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie, somewhat |
| 11:57.52 | crashanddie | Ken-Young: thread in question: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-February/000574.html |
| 11:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: btw no problem here, on N900 with busybox |
| 11:58.16 | Ken-Young | crashanddie, Thanks for the pointer! |
| 11:58.53 | FIQ | it maybe should be a pipe somewhere? |
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| 11:58.54 | FIQ | du: invalid option -- n |
| 11:59.18 | crashanddie | FIQ: nobody told you to use -n |
| 11:59.32 | FIQ | /home/user # du /usr sort -n less |
| 11:59.32 | crashanddie | he said | sort -n | less |
| 11:59.37 | crashanddie | PIPE |
| 11:59.52 | FIQ | well, as i though |
| 12:00.07 | crashanddie | see that vertical bar? It's a special character |
| 12:00.11 | FIQ | but i used a pipe to little it seems (i tried a pipe before sort) |
| 12:00.38 | crashanddie | facepalms |
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| 12:00.51 | crashanddie | what use is it to tell people to do stuff if they don't even understand the basic concepts? |
| 12:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | c&p may help |
| 12:02.04 | flux | how would I mount the external mmc, given that the device thinks the back cover is open? |
| 12:02.19 | crashanddie | you can't, iirc |
| 12:02.27 | flux | it's electronically prevented? |
| 12:02.34 | flux | difficult to believe.. |
| 12:02.35 | crashanddie | no, logically |
| 12:02.56 | FIQ | i readed the pipe as a space, i missed that it was a pipe, ok? |
| 12:02.58 | flux | so the limitation would be implemented in the linux kernel or linux user side? |
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| 12:03.23 | FIQ | gosh, your patience suck |
| 12:03.31 | flux | I guess I'll just find a magnet and look what happens |
| 12:04.00 | ech0dish | my n900 will no longer charge off my wall charger only the usb charger... perhaps my wall charger has some how gone bad? |
| 12:04.15 | crashanddie | ech0dish: what wall charger is it? |
| 12:04.28 | crashanddie | ech0dish: one with interchangeable plug-adapters? |
| 12:04.29 | FIQ | less wasn't found anyway |
| 12:04.29 | ech0dish | its the one that was originally shipped with it |
| 12:04.59 | crashanddie | ech0dish: try with another one if you can find one (or ask to us one off your friends) |
| 12:05.10 | crashanddie | s/us/use |
| 12:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: du -x / | sort -n | less; # even better |
| 12:06.12 | ech0dish | i've tried it on a few outlets but i have nothing else to try and charge with it to see if its the adapter.. would suck to buy another one and find out this is some type of conflict with something i've downloaded... |
| 12:06.13 | FIQ | less is still not found |
| 12:06.13 | FIQ | :) |
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| 12:06.55 | FIQ | and i copy/pasted this time to dodge fails |
| 12:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | so use it without " | less" |
| 12:08.13 | FIQ | yeah, did it |
| 12:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | though I seem to remember less was a link to messybox, before I installed decent less :-o |
| 12:08.25 | FIQ | got wall of lines |
| 12:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: the last lines indicate the largest dirs/files on root filesystem |
| 12:09.05 | FIQ | guess it is how much space any dirs take |
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| 12:09.12 | FIQ | yeah |
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| 12:09.38 | flux | bah, indeed it looks like the sensor is used by the mmc block device driver :-o |
| 12:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | facepalms |
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| 12:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | flux: If you reprogram the GPIO used for the reed contact, you might be able to fake a closed backcover by writing a 0 or 1 to that output |
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| 12:13.56 | flux | docscrutinizer, for today, I think I'll just find a tape, though :) |
| 12:14.25 | adalal | is there a way to make your n900 handsfree and use a computer as a speaker and mic, or a control panel? |
| 12:14.42 | flux | actually.. maybe I can poll the gpio pins from /sys to find the pin first.. |
| 12:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | that's easy -> dmesg |
| 12:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | names GPIOxxx in verbatim |
| 12:15.42 | flux | it only talks about slide and kb_lock |
| 12:15.56 | flux | the messages surrounding mmcblk1 activity don't have GPIO-messages nearby |
| 12:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | nah, really. Seems my memory plays jokes on me |
| 12:16.44 | lcuk | isnt there a memcheck app? |
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| 12:17.16 | marcus_ | Expecting my n900 in a few days :3 |
| 12:17.21 | lcuk | :D |
| 12:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | gah, you're right |
| 12:17.35 | flux | /sys/bus/platform/drivers/gpio-switch apperas to have a bunch of already labeled directories, but none of them seem to reflect the mmc switch.. |
| 12:17.44 | Jaffa | 's new N900 is sat with DHL. Not rush to pick it up (until MeeGo day 1, anyway) |
| 12:17.50 | flux | unless cmt os something like that |
| 12:18.03 | lcuk | lardman, qt creator includes a "Standard dialogs" example |
| 12:18.15 | lcuk | i believe you can just use any of those in your code |
| 12:18.29 | lcuk | and they should work as described |
| 12:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | flux: Mar 28 14:16:42 IroN900 ke_recv[1327]: prop_modified:1889: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_hs_0_mmc_host modified button.state.value |
| 12:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | Mar 28 14:16:42 IroN900 ke_recv[1327]: event_in_cover_open:1042: E_CLOSED for ext-MMC |
| 12:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | from syslog -- dunno if that helps |
| 12:24.04 | flux | I thought it would, but hald-addon-gpio doesn't react then I activate the sensor |
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| 12:24.22 | flux | it does react when I slide open the keyboard (by react: issue system calls as per strace) |
| 12:25.59 | lardman | lcuk: Thanks, I found some example code in the end |
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| 12:32.03 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, - hows brum-meetup? |
| 12:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | flux: from schematics, sdcard hotswap sensor is wired to : GPIO_160 T21 McBSP1_CLKS |
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| 12:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | on D4800 OMAP4030 |
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| 12:35.53 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, :D was great, for the half hour or so we made it lol |
| 12:36.12 | lcuk | 2 hours late lost driving around with tracytracy giving directions was "amusing" |
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| 12:36.57 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 12:37.11 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, sorry missed ya pm yesterday - left my irc on idling |
| 12:37.12 | lcuk | then on the way back 2 junctions of m6 were blocked |
| 12:37.22 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, - thats usual though isnt it? |
| 12:37.28 | lcuk | had a great time tho :) me n tracy and no kids for the night was worth it |
| 12:37.43 | noobmonk3y | :D :D |
| 12:37.46 | nidO | oh hey |
| 12:37.47 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, np, i forgot what I wanted to say lol |
| 12:37.50 | nidO | as theres several brits here now |
| 12:37.52 | lcuk | and met some cool ppl |
| 12:37.55 | noobmonk3y | lol, sure it was uber-important ;) |
| 12:38.01 | noobmonk3y | lo nick_fn |
| 12:38.04 | noobmonk3y | nidO, |
| 12:38.05 | noobmonk3y | meh |
| 12:38.05 | nidO | read plus vote plx :D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48497 |
| 12:38.11 | noobmonk3y | auto-tabbing fail...... |
| 12:38.51 | noobmonk3y | voting :D |
| 12:38.52 | nick_fn | Hey anyway noobmonk3y ;-) |
| 12:38.55 | nidO | ta :D |
| 12:38.59 | flux | docscrutinizer, thanks, I'll take a note of it. although my small-piece-of-hard-drive-magnet+duck-tape-solution seems to be working fine.. |
| 12:39.32 | flux | docscrutinizer, although I'm a bit worried if the tape will lose its cohesion resulting possibly in the magnet shorting the sensor permanently :) |
| 12:39.55 | noobmonk3y | lol hi nick_fn - you.... yuo.... ..... first person on the N'list lol |
| 12:40.44 | noobmonk3y | right...... what to do today ...... |
| 12:40.49 | nidO | isnt highlighting fun |
| 12:40.54 | noobmonk3y | nidO, :| |
| 12:41.54 | noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmm i need to give healthcheck a graphics overhall... and it needs to do some threading for constant reading of values i feel |
| 12:41.56 | nidO | i've managed to get that "other platforms" idea as the top voted idea on the national trust's feedback for the iphone app in about 12 hours, hopefully theyll take note of that :D |
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| 12:47.45 | ShadowJK | is reading values taking alot of time? |
| 12:47.56 | ShadowJK | with little cpu use? |
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| 12:55.45 | gouverneur | any news on pr1.2 yet? |
| 12:55.57 | noobmonk3y | its going to be pink....... |
| 12:56.03 | haltdef | yes, it's out but you cannot have it |
| 12:56.03 | haltdef | ! |
| 12:56.07 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 12:56.15 | noobmonk3y | gouverneur, be a bit more specific |
| 12:56.25 | noobmonk3y | 1.2 is available on an adk environment |
| 12:56.30 | noobmonk3y | common sense then asks why on there? |
| 12:56.39 | noobmonk3y | answer - so the developers can confirm apps work :D |
| 12:56.42 | gouverneur | euweick PINK thats a serious show stopper to me, wont buy it though |
| 12:56.55 | haltdef | which reminds me, updates to maemo don't mean reflash+hard reset like on WM devices, right? :x |
| 12:57.01 | noobmonk3y | ahhhh next question - how long to fix an app and get it through extras-testing? minimum 2 weeks ;) |
| 12:57.14 | noobmonk3y | nope haltdef - not yet |
| 12:57.17 | gouverneur | noobmonk3y: what do you want to tell me? |
| 12:57.25 | haltdef | not yet? |
| 12:57.26 | noobmonk3y | gouverneur, nothing, :D |
| 12:57.34 | gouverneur | noobmonk3y: ^^ right |
| 12:57.44 | noobmonk3y | adk - meant sdk |
| 12:57.50 | noobmonk3y | meh meh meh, darn my fat fingers |
| 12:58.04 | gouverneur | noobmonk3y: I am just to lazy to grep from irc... |
| 12:58.08 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 12:58.22 | noobmonk3y | i'm hoping for 1.2 after easter at some point :D |
| 12:58.49 | noobmonk3y | my prediction would be somewhere between 12th - 24th ish |
| 12:58.50 | ech0dish | joikuspot makes my n900 get kinda hot |
| 12:58.55 | noobmonk3y | ech0dish, - mine too |
| 12:58.55 | ech0dish | i don't like that lol |
| 12:58.59 | noobmonk3y | updated version? |
| 12:59.00 | gouverneur | noobmonk3y: that sdk is upgraded I know thats days ago, screwed my sdk again |
| 12:59.02 | noobmonk3y | has been better for me |
| 12:59.06 | ech0dish | i got retail |
| 12:59.16 | noobmonk3y | yeah, i mean the updated retail one? |
| 12:59.20 | noobmonk3y | had an upgrade last week |
| 12:59.27 | ech0dish | i dunno lol |
| 12:59.36 | noobmonk3y | re-enable the joiku repos and see :D |
| 12:59.40 | noobmonk3y | runs a lot better |
| 12:59.43 | noobmonk3y | less battery and heat issues |
| 12:59.46 | ech0dish | aight haha |
| 13:00.13 | ech0dish | i think it might of burned my charger |
| 13:00.18 | noobmonk3y | :| |
| 13:00.22 | ech0dish | i can't use my wall charger no more |
| 13:00.26 | ech0dish | just the usb one.. |
| 13:00.30 | noobmonk3y | right off for lunch, back laters |
| 13:00.33 | ech0dish | i dunno.. it just does nothin |
| 13:00.38 | ech0dish | l8 |
| 13:00.46 | gouverneur | l8 |
| 13:01.34 | gouverneur | damn this freakin fft lib is playing up on me and if I am right I have to integrate it in the program using it if I want it in extras... |
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| 13:01.47 | ech0dish | wonder where he is to be eatin lunch right now |
| 13:01.55 | ech0dish | like 8am here lol |
| 13:02.03 | gouverneur | ech0dish: uk |
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| 13:03.04 | gouverneur | ech0dish: I didnt have breakfast yet but its 3pm... |
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| 13:03.37 | anotnac | ovi publishing is down and ovi store will be down tomorrow, i'm hoping its a sign of better maemo support coming |
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| 13:04.00 | ech0dish | i think maemo's good on its own lol |
| 13:04.10 | ech0dish | my device now does everything i care about it doing |
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| 13:04.52 | anotnac | i want to play some the cool games from the MWC video |
| 13:05.34 | C-S-B-N900 | am i dead? |
| 13:05.42 | ech0dish | no? |
| 13:05.53 | gouverneur | ech0dish: apart of autoconnecting wpa-enterprise, making coffee, connect enterprise-shares (samba or ws) |
| 13:06.12 | gouverneur | C-S-B-N900: you look alike |
| 13:06.17 | C-S-B-N900 | cheers. |
| 13:06.30 | gouverneur | but I guess your not |
| 13:06.47 | gouverneur | have you tried to look in a mirror yet |
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| 13:08.52 | FIQ | "making coffe" - buy some kind of ir/bt-enabled coffe maker, make n900 enabled to communicate with it and done. :D |
| 13:08.53 | FIQ | lol |
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| 13:09.28 | gouverneur | FIQ: it is on its way... |
| 13:10.09 | JLP | hi all, I would like to ask about the idea I have for GSoC |
| 13:10.39 | crashanddie | anyone know what "wtfc TS" means? |
| 13:10.44 | gouverneur | my saeco vienna is currently pulled apart in the kitchen due to heater issues, the hardware looks simple enough to attach it to a bt switch |
| 13:11.06 | gouverneur | crashanddie: was wondering the same |
| 13:11.25 | crashanddie | gouverneur & FIQ: please don't use new ways to make coffee listen to computers, there are very well defined standards for that |
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| 13:11.46 | RST38h | would go for a wireless MIDI sequencer sending electric shocks to the members of a symphony orchestra |
| 13:11.58 | RST38h | Can this qualify for a Google Summer of Code project? |
| 13:12.10 | gouverneur | RST38h: thats sounds int... wait for it |
| 13:12.24 | crashanddie | HTCPCP comes to mind |
| 13:12.45 | gouverneur | my coffeemaker is just to heat up if any bt radio in range is available... |
| 13:12.53 | gouverneur | eresting |
| 13:13.11 | crashanddie | RST38h: not sure that works with the "Do no evil" mantra |
| 13:13.23 | gouverneur | crashanddie: who cares |
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| 13:13.49 | marcus_ | wonders if anybody tried Wine for Maemo |
| 13:13.52 | gouverneur | my chi is that bad that cats follow my way |
| 13:14.04 | LuciusMare | Hi, i want to install the easy debian chroot, and the wiki page tells that the image file is 2gb - i am downloading it externally, and the image is only 278 mb? |
| 13:14.10 | FIQ | "Wine for Maemo" |
| 13:14.19 | FIQ | uh, that seems impossible |
| 13:14.25 | gouverneur | LuciusMare: extracted? |
| 13:14.33 | crashanddie | FIQ: I find that wine /before/ Maemo works a lot better |
| 13:14.41 | crashanddie | or after, depending on your schedule |
| 13:14.45 | marcus_ | :P |
| 13:14.49 | RST38h | "After a networking error first reported on Wednesday last week caused computers in Chile and the US to come under the control of a system that censors the Internet in China, the 'root DNS server associated with the networking problems has been disconnected from the Internet,' writes Robert McMillan." |
| 13:14.49 | FIQ | luciusmare, it's compressed |
| 13:14.55 | LuciusMare | so much? |
| 13:14.55 | gouverneur | LuciusMare: my device says 2.00GB |
| 13:15.28 | LuciusMare | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.28 | RST38h | especially like the first half of this paragraph |
| 13:15.31 | LuciusMare | since it talks about a file |
| 13:15.33 | FIQ | that root server were in sweden? |
| 13:15.49 | FIQ | luciusmare, that confused me too first |
| 13:15.55 | RST38h | Apparently yes |
| 13:15.55 | FIQ | but seems as it's compressed |
| 13:15.56 | gouverneur | LuciusMare: after extracting it |
| 13:16.28 | FIQ | it will be 2GB after the extract though (as others state) |
| 13:16.47 | LuciusMare | great |
| 13:16.48 | JLP | I was thinking about making a MeeGo/Maemo game client for Thousand Parsec games (turn based space empire building) for GSoC |
| 13:17.26 | joga | is there a recommended procedure to backup *all* (relevant parts) of the n900, is using rsync like this ok and can I restore it without problems too? :) http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=446488&postcount=20 |
| 13:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | WinXP in qemu seems has been done before, on maemo, though |
| 13:17.44 | joga | (I don't have -devel enabled but I did install grsync) |
| 13:17.54 | gouverneur | LuciusMare: another pendrive linux is 300MB download with an install script that eats up 2-6GB (user input needed) as it resizes the image after download |
| 13:18.13 | LuciusMare | those compressions... *shakes his head* |
| 13:19.50 | gouverneur | LuciusMare: ? you need it fast and have 3g available, you would blame those people stupid not to compress properly |
| 13:19.55 | thresh | .ÑÑÑн |
| 13:19.58 | thresh | oups |
| 13:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: muhaha |
| 13:20.15 | thresh | moroning |
| 13:20.19 | LuciusMare | hurm |
| 13:20.22 | LuciusMare | nevermind... |
| 13:20.23 | gouverneur | thresh: hey hey |
| 13:21.17 | marcus_ | can't wait till he gets his N900 on monday/tuesday. |
| 13:21.21 | ech0dish | after i use joikuspot, when i try and use my laptop to connect to any other ap it fails and i have to reboot the laptop before i can connect to another ap... |
| 13:21.35 | gouverneur | marcus_: welcome to the jungle ;) |
| 13:21.38 | joga | has been tweaking almost non-stop ever since he got one |
| 13:21.39 | marcus_ | :D |
| 13:21.40 | joga | :) |
| 13:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: great chinese Fwall is a virus? |
| 13:21.50 | gouverneur | joga: so do I |
| 13:22.09 | gouverneur | DocScrutinizer: have you expected other? |
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| 13:23.09 | FIQ | uhm |
| 13:23.12 | FIQ | what the... |
| 13:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | gouverneur: not really. seems it's easy to do really nasty things in DNS |
| 13:23.24 | FIQ | a query msg came into me in xchat |
| 13:23.36 | FIQ | the balloon popped up |
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| 13:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | tzzz |
| 13:24.08 | FIQ | it stated ":<" |
| 13:24.17 | FIQ | i check it out |
| 13:24.27 | FIQ | it was meant to be ":<" |
| 13:24.38 | FIQ | so, here's my question: |
| 13:24.47 | FIQ | WHY did it get htmlescaped..? |
| 13:25.12 | Flyser | some stupid firewall? |
| 13:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 13:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | some stupid string typeconversions back and forth |
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| 13:26.25 | FIQ | it seems reproduceable |
| 13:26.30 | FIQ | xchat fail or maemo fail? |
| 13:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | xchat |
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| 13:27.06 | FIQ | ok |
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| 13:27.15 | FIQ | R3st8h, ^ |
| 13:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | what?? |
| 13:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt his highlighting regexp will catch that |
| 13:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | btw I guess a cehteh: ping is more appropriate |
| 13:29.12 | FIQ | RST38h, ^ |
| 13:29.16 | FIQ | ah |
| 13:29.21 | FIQ | meh |
| 13:29.48 | C-S-B-N900 | marcus_: why have you no n900 now? |
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| 13:30.02 | marcus_ | C-S-B-N900: 'Cause I just ordered it :) |
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| 13:30.24 | C-S-B-N900 | they are friggin great. but promise me that you check the av jack and fm tx straight away. |
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| 13:31.12 | marcus_ | FM TX? |
| 13:31.27 | marcus_ | And how would I check it? (: |
| 13:31.30 | C-S-B-N900 | marcus_: fm transmitter |
| 13:31.49 | C-S-B-N900 | with a radio and the inbuilt mp3s. |
| 13:31.49 | marcus_ | Oh okay, and I just test the AV jack by going over the tv I assume. |
| 13:32.12 | C-S-B-N900 | yeah,or headphones, check for a dropped channel. |
| 13:32.32 | C-S-B-N900 | only because im on my 3rd. |
| 13:32.38 | marcus_ | Srsly? o.o |
| 13:33.09 | C-S-B-N900 | first had a failed fmtx and the second had a dropping channel on the av jack |
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| 13:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | fail to detect headphones is a more common problem for AVcon than missing channel |
| 13:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest to check both headset (incl check for mic working), and AV-video |
| 13:34.59 | C-S-B-N900 | docscrutinizer mine was nothing sw. the headphones were working. |
| 13:35.14 | C-S-B-N900 | it was the contact to the board. |
| 13:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | yeah. so? |
| 13:35.31 | C-S-B-N900 | i needed new hw. |
| 13:36.15 | C-S-B-N900 | im just making sure marcus_ checks everything first so he can get it sorted out as easily as possible. |
| 13:36.22 | DocScrutinizer | fail to detect headset *is* a hw issue |
| 13:36.45 | C-S-B-N900 | true. who mentioned that? im lost :s |
| 13:36.45 | marcus_ | C-S-B-N900: I will check it for sure! Thanks for the advice mate. |
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| 13:37.07 | C-S-B-N900 | np |
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| 13:38.01 | RST38h | FIQ: What? |
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| 13:39.50 | GAN900 | So tired of having to reboot every few days to keep performance up. |
| 13:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: cehteh's notification plugin borks on RTF escapes |
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| 13:40.52 | RST38h | GAN: There is a bug tracker for that? |
| 13:40.54 | RST38h | ! |
| 13:40.57 | RST38h | Actually there is |
| 13:41.02 | Celesteh | today my country switched to daylight savings time, nut my n900 did not. |
| 13:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: <FIQ> the balloon popped up <FIQ> it stated ":<" <FIQ> it was meant to be ":<" |
| 13:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: mine did -> ntpd ;-P |
| 13:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: fix your notification crap! ;-D |
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| 13:43.37 | joppu | Stskeeps: what's different with the new hildon-theme-example-stskeeps? |
| 13:43.49 | Kurppa_ | GAN900: there will be fixes to that in PR1.2 |
| 13:44.03 | Kurppa_ | Or so I hear. |
| 13:44.44 | ShadowJK | I wonder what kind of "fixes"... |
| 13:45.04 | Celesteh | is there away to alert my clock that local time is in daylight time? |
| 13:45.22 | ShadowJK | what alerting do you need.. |
| 13:45.42 | Kurppa_ | Wish I could say more. It's better than before.. :-) |
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| 13:45.56 | Celesteh | local time is listed as GMT, but it should be GMT+1 |
| 13:46.04 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 13:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: install ntpd, or schedule a cmdline event in alarmed :-) |
| 13:46.16 | ShadowJK | well you're BST now aren't you |
| 13:46.25 | ShadowJK | ntpd doesn't care about daylight savings :-) |
| 13:46.37 | GAN900 | Maemo - The Mobile Linux version of Windows. |
| 13:46.51 | Kurppa_ | Windows ME |
| 13:47.11 | b-man|n900 | rofl |
| 13:47.14 | ShadowJK | Swap on emmc/sd degrades in performance over time since it's designed to swap on harddrive not SD :) |
| 13:47.20 | GAN900 | notes MeeGo is a super convenient way for Nokia to shunt away community stuff from their own software. |
| 13:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: whatever, my N900 time switched from 2 to 3 on the point |
| 13:47.24 | Celesteh | yes, bst. when i go to the world clock, it knows that london is gmt+1, but the local time stubbornly is not |
| 13:47.37 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yes, mine too, but that's not because of ntpd |
| 13:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | probably not, you're right |
| 13:48.13 | Celesteh | ps aux does not list ntpd |
| 13:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, sorry cehteh. tab completion error paired with myopia |
| 13:49.02 | ShadowJK | ntpd at most deals with unix time on the system, and unix time doesn't jump back or forward :-) |
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| 13:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | Celesteh: seems you need to correctly set your timezone |
| 13:50.08 | ShadowJK | All I find is "regional settings" ;p |
| 13:50.35 | Celesteh | so when i disable update automatically, it knows i'm gmt+1, but when i re-enable it, it goes back to gmt +0 |
| 13:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | odds are there's a bug setting TZ to GMT/UTC and that one isn't supposed to see any DST |
| 13:52.05 | Celesteh | i think i'm just going to give up on automagical time updates |
| 13:52.08 | ShadowJK | I forget the difference between UTC and GMT... wait.. one has the leap seconds and the other doesn't? And then there's GPS time too, and I don't remember what was different with that either :P |
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| 13:52.50 | Celesteh | thanks fols |
| 13:53.37 | Ken-Young | ShadowJK, Both UTC and GMT have leap seconds. GPS time does not. |
| 13:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | friggin notice there's "auto update" for time. WHY was <me> bothered to install ntpd?? |
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| 13:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | is this a new feature of >1.0, or am I just stupid? |
| 13:54.13 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I think it uses time data from GSM, and lots of operators are incompetent, so there's a use case for ntpd as well ;) |
| 13:54.20 | ShadowJK | iirc it was there since 1.0? |
| 13:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 13:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~spank DocScrutinizer |
| 13:55.09 | infobot | ACTION bends DocScrutinizer over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer's pasty white buttocks. |
| 13:55.09 | haltdef | wobbles ShadowJK |
| 13:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | ponders whether to uninstall ntpd and give "auto update" a try, or just happy along with the perfectly working setup |
| 13:57.24 | nidO | update automatically doesnt work properly for me |
| 13:57.31 | haltdef | you're doing it wrong if you have an n900 and don't mess with it for no reason :D |
| 13:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | k, thanks mate :-) |
| 13:58.00 | nidO | not sure why, but my device just seems to ignore the operator broadcast time entirely |
| 13:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | operator broadcast time is fubar and rotten to the root anyway. Seems every carrier has its own ideas about it |
| 14:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's what I recall from OM and FSO tinkering with it |
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| 14:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | and worst of all: your system time might skip unadvertedly while traveling, or when living close to a border |
| 14:01.47 | ShadowJK | "Some time in the 22nd century, two leap seconds will be required every year. The current use of only the leap second opportunities in June and December will be insufficient, and the March and September options will have to be used. In the 25th century, four leap seconds will be required every year, so the current quarterly options will be insufficient. Thereafter there will need to be the possibility of leap seconds at the end of any month. In about two |
| 14:01.54 | ShadowJK | thousand years even that will become insufficient, and there will have to be leap seconds that are not at the end of a month." |
| 14:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | cooooool |
| 14:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | y3k problem preprogrammed |
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| 14:04.49 | ShadowJK | the table of leapseconds will be megabytes big |
| 14:04.58 | ShadowJK | but then we'll laugh at worrying about measly megabytes |
| 14:05.43 | RST38h | GAN900: bug #6382 |
| 14:05.44 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382 Device becomes sluggish after several days |
| 14:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | methinks we should tune definition of a second / jiffy, rather than use those nasty leap seconds |
| 14:05.53 | RST38h | GAN900: Raise hell, if you still can |
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| 14:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | ooh shit, scratch that. It'll mess all SI units, all astronomy, and even FM radio dials |
| 14:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 14:08.51 | ShadowJK | "n the 1970s, it became clear that the clocks participating in TAI (International Atomic Time) were ticking at different rates due to gravitational time dilation, and the combined TAI scale therefore corresponded to an average of the altitudes of the various clocks." |
| 14:09.03 | ShadowJK | time is fuzzy |
| 14:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | time is relative. That's what Einstein tought us |
| 14:10.08 | SpeedEvil | And the doctor. |
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| 14:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | MOAR gigantic tide powerplants - I want a 30 hours day |
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| 14:28.50 | C-S-B-N900 | Celesteh: what country? |
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| 14:36.35 | nidO | C-S-B-N900: he's gone |
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| 14:43.12 | C-S-B-N900 | like everything in my life :( |
| 14:43.43 | C-S-B-N900 | in case anyone cared, my phone in UK set it self right. |
| 14:48.29 | Clickety | mine did as well |
| 14:48.40 | nidO | my time updated properly as well, but it still doesnt maintain the right time broadcast by o2 |
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| 14:49.23 | nidO | C-S-B-N900: you seem an outdoors-y type right? |
| 14:49.57 | C-S-B-N900 | lol, why? I dont think im that outdoorsy at all. |
| 14:50.22 | nidO | well even if not, any chance of a read + vote here plx? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48497 |
| 14:51.16 | C-S-B-N900 | where are you based nidO ? |
| 14:51.25 | nidO | its a real pet-hate of mine that "non-developer" companies/organisations decide to "get with the times" by releasing only an iphone app as though the other 83% of smartphones dont exist, trying to change that with the national trust at least |
| 14:51.27 | nidO | im in norwich |
| 14:52.46 | C-S-B-N900 | i detest iphone as a result. |
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| 14:53.16 | C-S-B-N900 | im down in bucks. we have some nice areas here also. |
| 14:53.20 | nidO | if i can get the national trust to release that app for maemo, and wagamama to do the same with their online ordering app, ill be happy \o/ |
| 14:54.39 | RST38h | Ah, the revolt in maemo-developers! |
| 14:54.50 | RST38h | Took a while...longer than I thought |
| 14:54.52 | C-S-B-N900 | wagama app would be good, my gf asked me if i could do it on my phone after seeing the iphone ad in the restaurent. |
| 14:55.10 | C-S-B-N900 | they should just have good apis. |
| 14:55.16 | nidO | yeah pisses me off every time me and my girlfriend are there looking at the bigass add plastered on every placemat |
| 14:55.30 | C-S-B-N900 | then the community can make a far better solution than they would. |
| 14:55.35 | Stskeeps | RST38h: which one? |
| 14:55.40 | nidO | her with her winmo phone, and me with maemo, knowing we still have to use their shitty website to order online :< |
| 14:55.51 | C-S-B-N900 | the iphone is clever marketing, as with all apple. |
| 14:55.59 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Khertan decided to fold it and move to his own repo |
| 14:56.13 | nidO | wasnt that a while ago? |
| 14:56.24 | C-S-B-N900 | the website is not that bad when the n900 renders it so well. |
| 14:56.34 | C-S-B-N900 | nido i voted btw. |
| 14:56.40 | nidO | cheers \o/ |
| 14:57.33 | C-S-B-N900 | im sorry to asl you, just interested. |
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| 14:58.22 | nidO | hm, well you already have the s and the l now :) |
| 14:58.32 | nidO | and im 25. |
| 14:59.13 | C-S-B-N900 | im 26 going on 27, linux/win admin. |
| 14:59.37 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ah, yes |
| 14:59.42 | nidO | as of next week im a purely nix admin, we've had a win2003 server for the past couple of years thats finally being shutdown |
| 14:59.46 | nidO | \o/ |
| 14:59.46 | C-S-B-N900 | currently unemployed. :( |
| 15:00.12 | C-S-B-N900 | kill it. |
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| 15:00.25 | C-S-B-N900 | what distro are you rolling? |
| 15:01.11 | C-S-B-N900 | you arent using exchange? i like your company. |
| 15:01.30 | nidO | centos and debian lenny |
| 15:01.52 | nidO | our vps nodes run proxmox (openvz) which runs on debian |
| 15:01.59 | RST38h | Stskeeps: What was the breaking point for him, anyway? Something with autobuilder breaking python packages? |
| 15:02.14 | nidO | and no exchance, we're a nix hosting outfit :> |
| 15:02.17 | nidO | exchange* |
| 15:02.25 | C-S-B-N900 | cool |
| 15:02.46 | C-S-B-N900 | id like to work for your company. |
| 15:03.23 | nidO | if you're still kicking around this channel in a few months, we're likely to have a tech position available :p |
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| 15:03.32 | C-S-B-N900 | may i ask why a nix hosting company even had a win box? |
| 15:04.01 | nidO | we bought out another host a couple of years ago, they had several nix boxes and one win machine as they offered accounts on both |
| 15:04.01 | C-S-B-N900 | bit too far to commute, but i seriously appreciate the info. |
| 15:04.45 | nidO | my commute distance is bedroom <> living room |
| 15:04.49 | nidO | about 10 feet ;) |
| 15:05.03 | C-S-B-N900 | you work remotely? |
| 15:05.14 | nidO | yeah, all our staff work from home |
| 15:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: seems it's more like the alldays changing requirements to push something into extras |
| 15:05.17 | C-S-B-N900 | nice! |
| 15:05.38 | RST38h | Doc: Oh, I can confirm that.... |
| 15:05.47 | C-S-B-N900 | you could work from your n900 and save the trip to the living room. |
| 15:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: khertan was fed up with that aiui |
| 15:06.20 | nidO | well one particularly cold winter 4-5 years ago I did spend a few weeks working from the laptop in bed for most of the morning |
| 15:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | but I think it's better you ask *him* :-) |
| 15:06.41 | RST38h | DocS: He is not the first. |
| 15:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | ooh well, he's not here atm |
| 15:06.46 | C-S-B-N900 | i want your job nido. |
| 15:06.57 | dmj726_n9001 | VDVsx: should students put their ideas in the wiki too? |
| 15:09.26 | VDVsx | dmj726_n9001, if you want, but if you want discussion, better try the MLs or talk.maemo |
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| 15:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | suspects a conspiration wrt N900 successor. Seems gan9001 and dmj726_n9001 know more than us ordinary mortals :-P |
| 15:10.32 | RST38h | ISO9001? |
| 15:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 15:11.46 | dmj726_n9001 | tmobile and my wifi conspired to bring me a device from the future. |
| 15:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | cackles on ISO9001 audited garage business in Istambul, producing fake Addidas |
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| 15:23.54 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9744 Display active while camera lens open and no picture is taken |
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| 15:53.39 | C-S-B-N900 | 's fat sausage finger closed irc. |
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| 16:07.37 | ech0dish | someone do something cool |
| 16:07.44 | haltdef | strips |
| 16:08.09 | satmd | if that's cool, it's bad |
| 16:08.17 | satmd | if it was hot, it was good |
| 16:08.17 | haltdef | :< |
| 16:09.12 | haltdef | stupid dpd not doing anything on weekends |
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| 16:16.57 | LuciusMare | Hi, would anyone mind to lighten up me a few things about easy debian? |
| 16:17.14 | C-S-B-N900 | ive not used it but i can try... |
| 16:17.42 | LuciusMare | When it's a chroot, how come that when i run "debian lxde" from the menu that the / is mounted as usual? |
| 16:19.18 | LuciusMare | I mean, i can access all the things, like my maemo home, mydocs... Like only lxde was running, and the easy debian was layered on my rootfs |
| 16:20.10 | C-S-B-N900 | check /etc/mtab maybe they are mounted seperately for convieniance. |
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| 16:22.53 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 16:23.14 | LuciusMare | seems like only /home is mounted, i thought the whole / was mounted |
| 16:23.41 | satmd | bind mounted /home probably |
| 16:25.19 | C-S-B-N900 | i guess i maybe helped... |
| 16:25.57 | JakubS_ | hello |
| 16:26.52 | C-S-B-N900 | hello |
| 16:28.05 | JakubS_ | while testing n900 wireless i got strange result: ping to router takes 50ms while on laptop (the same network) only 1-2ms. Also when the network is congested ping to 200-500ms (yeah, differences so this high) while on laptop to only 100-150ms |
| 16:28.23 | JakubS_ | is this something with my network router, n900 hardware or maybe wireless driver? |
| 16:29.06 | C-S-B-N900 | power management i bet |
| 16:29.13 | C-S-B-N900 | turn it off and try again. |
| 16:29.17 | JakubS_ | how? |
| 16:29.49 | C-S-B-N900 | in advanced on your connection settings. |
| 16:30.12 | C-S-B-N900 | it will reduce your battery though. ymmv |
| 16:30.18 | sp3000 | knows nothing about networks |
| 16:30.29 | sp3000 | but afaiui a common beacon interval is about 300ms |
| 16:30.49 | sp3000 | so if your avg ping is less than that, something's probably wrong :) |
| 16:31.04 | JakubS_ | C-S-B-N900: thanks |
| 16:31.23 | sp3000 | (something being, power management, indeed) |
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| 16:32.03 | sp3000 | afaiui laptops generally don't bother since they have comparatively infinite energy to waste |
| 16:32.03 | JakubS_ | i am porting video streaming (more like proxying) app to n900 and i am getting very inconsistent speed compared to the laptop. while trying to find the reason i found the problem with latencies. |
| 16:32.35 | C-S-B-N900 | sp3000: i wasn't looking too deeply, just reeling off stuff ive seen happen before. |
| 16:32.51 | JakubS_ | sp3000: so I can just (I hope it is possible) turn off wifi power management when a stream is being proxied, and turn it on later again |
| 16:33.24 | C-S-B-N900 | JakubS_: you could. |
| 16:33.57 | C-S-B-N900 | just check that it is pm first. |
| 16:34.06 | C-S-B-N900 | might be your dodgy port lol. |
| 16:34.40 | JakubS_ | very dodgy :-) it is based on qt, so whole port was just recompile and it works |
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| 16:35.12 | sp3000 | wonders if there's a market for gold-plated air filters for improving wifi performance |
| 16:36.03 | sp3000 | if it works in hifi it must work in wifi right? :P |
| 16:36.58 | JakubS_ | guys selling hifi stuff must make millions |
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| 17:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | beakon not related to pingtime |
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| 17:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | beakon is just used to detect AP |
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| 17:05.01 | Shapeshi1ter | DocScrutinizer: yeah I fixed a major bug; many people couldn't use profile switching and the other script based functions. My mistake was to have a !/bin/bash shebang instead of !/bin/ash D: |
| 17:05.23 | Shapeshi1ter | that's why it worked for you and me and some others but not for many others |
| 17:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | and to some extent to 'allocate' the channel |
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| 17:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: should be #! /bin/sh anyway |
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| 17:23.51 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R |
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| 17:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | seems infobot is an another branch than me |
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| 17:48.22 | Stskeeps | glares at rpm |
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| 17:48.26 | Scelt | any estimates 'bout pr 1.2? |
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| 17:49.55 | haltdef_ | some time between now and 2020 |
| 17:50.04 | haltdef_ | yw |
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| 17:50.42 | Scelt | haltdef_: thanks. very helpful! |
| 17:50.59 | RST38h | moos absent mindedly |
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| 17:51.48 | RST38h | Ah. Arkenoi. |
| 17:53.11 | atiti | hummz |
| 17:53.46 | atiti | would moving /var/cache or /home/user/MyDocs off to the internal memory and symlinking to it cause my os2008 to be stuck in a reboot loop? |
| 17:54.10 | RST38h | yes, and it will rain flying monkeys |
| 17:54.44 | atiti | so i guess thats a no |
| 17:55.42 | RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW, given that Autobuilder has switched to PR1.2, does it mean that any package submitted to it from now on will not run on any of the users' N900s? |
| 17:56.02 | RST38h | (until PR1.2 is released and they upgrade to it that is) |
| 17:57.10 | Chiku|dc | PR1.2 is for next week ? |
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| 17:57.25 | nidO | pr1.2 is for sometime soonish |
| 17:57.42 | Chiku|dc | soonish? today ? |
| 17:57.53 | nidO | ... |
| 17:57.58 | RST38h | rereads his question, searching for the spot where he mentioned PR1.2 release date |
| 17:57.58 | Shapeshifter | Chiku|dc: ask yourself, does it really matter? |
| 17:58.28 | nidO | RST38h you said the word pr1.2, that obviously means you know when its coming. |
| 17:58.29 | nidO | duh |
| 17:58.33 | Ken-Young | Shapeshifter, Yes! |
| 17:58.56 | RST38h | Oh, the new generation of the net users simply reacts to keywords... |
| 17:59.01 | reggna | Hmm.. Does anyone know how to set up the Nokia N900 with a private rsa-key to auto authenticate when using ssh? |
| 17:59.07 | RST38h | all heil the twitter... |
| 17:59.35 | reggna | When I try it says I have to unlock the private key each time I connect. |
| 18:00.31 | SpeedEvil | you mean ssh to the n900? |
| 18:00.45 | SpeedEvil | quack. |
| 18:00.55 | Shapeshifter | reggna: mh? but do you mean, a private rsa-key? you just put the pub key of the box your connecting from into the n900s authorized_hosts file |
| 18:01.01 | Shapeshifter | s/but/what/ |
| 18:01.10 | Shapeshifter | *rolleyes |
| 18:01.14 | Shapeshifter | what a useless bot feature |
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| 18:01.29 | Shapeshifter | humans can parse s/// |
| 18:02.19 | reggna | SpeedEvil: No, the other way around, connecting from the N900 to a server. |
| 18:02.39 | nidO | so just reverse the process |
| 18:02.48 | reggna | Shapeshifter: Yes, but when I do it says I have to unlock the key each time I try to connect to the server. |
| 18:03.23 | Chiku|dc | put your private key on your .ssh folder on n900 and pub key on your remote one |
| 18:03.27 | reggna | Googled it found that ssh-agent needs to be running |
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| 18:04.24 | reggna | But it does not work even with ssh-agent wrapping my terminal. |
| 18:04.49 | reggna | ssh-add -l tells me that my key has been added. |
| 18:05.16 | reggna | Butt I still needs to provide password to unlock the key each time I connect. |
| 18:05.18 | reggna | *-s |
| 18:05.45 | atiti | put the public key in the .ssh/authorized_keys file on the server |
| 18:06.02 | atiti | and put the private key in .ssh/ on your nokia |
| 18:06.10 | atiti | its usually called id_dsa or stmg |
| 18:06.40 | reggna | I've done that, and everything works fine when i try it on my laptop (with the same key). |
| 18:06.58 | reggna | Hmm.. Maby should try to generate a new key from the N900.. |
| 18:07.10 | atiti | did you try it with -i to specify the private key? |
| 18:07.37 | SpeedEvil | I simpl.y copied my laptops ~/.ssh |
| 18:07.52 | SpeedEvil | and it simply worked |
| 18:08.24 | reggna | atiti: Yes, still got the "Enter passphrase for key '.ssh/id_rsa'"-message |
| 18:09.20 | atiti | and you didnt specify a passphrase when you created the pub/priv key? |
| 18:09.33 | RST38h | a1 |
| 18:11.39 | reggna | 20:07:37 < SpeedEvil> I simpl.y copied my laptops ~/.ssh |
| 18:11.43 | reggna | Pretty much what I did too. |
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| 18:12.58 | reggna | atiti: Sure I did, is it even possible to create a key pair without a passphrase? |
| 18:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: humans can also parse s/x/y |
| 18:13.05 | reggna | atiti: Or what do you mean? |
| 18:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | s/humans/apes/ as well |
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| 18:15.05 | reggna | atiti: When I try to connect to my server, it tells me to "Enter passphrase for key '/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa'". |
| 18:15.23 | reggna | atiti: I enter the same passphrase I did when creating the key, and I get logged in. |
| 18:15.37 | reggna | atiti: The next time i try to connect, it does the same thing. |
| 18:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | wtf are you able to make up your mind whether to ssh *into* N900, or *from* N900 *into another server*? |
| 18:16.20 | reggna | Did I say into? |
| 18:16.59 | MiXu- | Hmm. WinSCP send to shell extension is nice with N900 <3 |
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| 18:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | nah, but adding some shit to .ssh/authorized_keys on N900 is for ssh'ing IN |
| 18:17.11 | reggna | DocScrutinizer: Ah, sorry. |
| 18:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | and if you created your key to use a passphrase, then it obviously will ask for that passphrase each time you gonna use it |
| 18:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | create a key without passphrase, to get rid of that |
| 18:20.59 | reggna | Ah, think I get it.. The keyrig on my laptop fooled me.. |
| 18:21.01 | reggna | DocScrutinizer: Tanks. |
| 18:21.04 | reggna | *h |
| 18:21.42 | reggna | 'n |
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| 18:30.34 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no idea, keep in mind extras-devel has a new URL for pr1.2 |
| 18:30.38 | Stskeeps | so they won't even see it |
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| 18:34.31 | dottedmag | reggna: better idea is to start ssh-agent once per session (by putting some script to /etc/X11/Xsession.d) |
| 18:34.39 | dottedmag | So it will ask for key only once. |
| 18:34.41 | FIQ | a new url..? |
| 18:34.50 | FIQ | doesn't seem logical for me |
| 18:34.54 | FIQ | w/e |
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| 18:36.15 | Jaco2k | can that be the reason why I cannot meet the dependencies for some of the latest updates? |
| 18:36.20 | Jaco2k | e.g. Tuner |
| 18:36.52 | Jaco2k | something to do with libhildon1 and libpixman-1-0 |
| 18:37.20 | reggna | dottedmag: That sounded something like what I was looking for. Thank you. :) |
| 18:37.30 | Jaco2k | it is weird because the updates seem to require an older version from these libraries than the one I already have |
| 18:37.34 | Jaco2k | any tips/ideas? |
| 18:37.52 | dottedmag | reggna: let me know if you find/compile GUI dialog for asking for passphrase, I miss it :) |
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| 18:49.08 | Stskeeps | wonders who invented rpmbuild and thinks he needs a lesson with a baseball bat in developer friendliness |
| 18:49.53 | C-S-B-N900 | lol |
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| 18:50.33 | FIQ | hah |
| 18:51.06 | Stskeeps | i like yum/zypper/spec/etc until i got to this piece of shit |
| 18:51.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 19:01.49 | wolf^ | Stskeeps, why? |
| 19:02.36 | Stskeeps | i mean, they have a perfectly sane format for a directory with sources + patches and a .spec.. |
| 19:02.50 | Stskeeps | and then the whole BUILD, BUILDROOT, SRPMS, SPECS, SOURCES etc stuff |
| 19:04.26 | wolf^ | imho it's better to have things separated than to have everything in one bundle, like in dpkg |
| 19:04.52 | Stskeeps | well yes |
| 19:05.13 | Stskeeps | but when a source rpm is a flat directory structure, why doesn't rpmbuild take a nice directory with a spec in it? :P |
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| 19:05.42 | Stskeeps | (i'm not pro or con any certain formats, i'm trying to do something :P) |
| 19:06.29 | wolf^ | so you have problem with SPECS and SOURCES separation |
| 19:06.51 | wolf^ | I'm not sure, but I think we have this fixed in pld |
| 19:06.53 | Stskeeps | right, or rather, the need to set up a bunch of directories |
| 19:07.01 | Stskeeps | and not simply abstracting this way |
| 19:07.02 | Stskeeps | away |
| 19:07.12 | wolf^ | rpm --init-build-tree or something |
| 19:08.14 | Stskeeps | instead of a simple "here's a spec, please build it, resolve Source0/ etc using the directory the spec is in" |
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| 19:10.03 | Stskeeps | wolf^: so, you're good with rpms and such? got some time to give me feedback on some things? |
| 19:10.22 | wolf^ | in pld we have "builder" script |
| 19:10.38 | wolf^ | it automates fetching specs, patches from cvs, and sources from external ftp |
| 19:10.48 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 19:10.56 | pronto | :shake: |
| 19:11.04 | wolf^ | Stskeeps, yes, I'm using it, ask away |
| 19:11.12 | Stskeeps | working on http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment currently |
| 19:11.48 | Stskeeps | eventually it would hopefully be down to a 'osc build' instead of the rpmbuild insanity |
| 19:11.52 | RST38h | Stskeeps: This does not look very easy |
| 19:12.06 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i don't like it either |
| 19:12.07 | ptl | cool |
| 19:12.10 | ptl | my test worked |
| 19:12.16 | ptl | I just got back from the test. |
| 19:12.23 | Stskeeps | what test? :P |
| 19:12.31 | ptl | to get laid by using the N900 |
| 19:12.37 | Stskeeps | excellent |
| 19:12.50 | Ken-Young | How'd that work out? |
| 19:13.01 | RST38h | can see it immediately that he will not be able to set this up on Ubuntu |
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| 19:13.41 | Stskeeps | RST38h: which parts are blocking? |
| 19:13.59 | ptl | went to some disco, talked to some girl, impressed her with some gimmicks (the FM transmissor, her cellphone had FM radio) - accelerometer, photos, I was kind of drunk, don't remember exactly what I showed her |
| 19:14.30 | Stskeeps | RST38h: actually, mic2 is a big one that might cause issues.. |
| 19:15.10 | wolf^ | Stskeeps, "rpmbuild --install-build-tree" prepares the build directory |
| 19:15.50 | wolf^ | Stskeeps, with default rpm scripts it's always ~/rpm |
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| 19:16.24 | Stskeeps | RST38h: either way, this isn't how things should be like :P |
| 19:16.36 | Stskeeps | wolf^: no such option in my rpmbuild for some reason |
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| 19:16.57 | wolf^ | % rpm --version |
| 19:16.57 | wolf^ | RPM version 4.4.9 |
| 19:17.09 | Stskeeps | hrm :P |
| 19:17.27 | MohammadAG | RPM? |
| 19:17.39 | MohammadAG | shouldn't that be in #MeeGo? |
| 19:17.48 | wolf^ | Stskeeps, I think you should be able to just do rpm -i blah.srpm and have spec + patches + sources in SPECS and SOURCES automatically |
| 19:17.56 | wolf^ | but I don't use srpms, so I'm not sure |
| 19:18.05 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: discussion started here, so shush :P |
| 19:18.53 | tools_ | hi.. what's the easiest way to sync kaddressbooks contacts (kde 4.3) with the n900? |
| 19:18.57 | wolf^ | Stskeeps, I wouldn't redefine _topdir, and just kept everything in ~/rpm |
| 19:19.11 | Stskeeps | mmk |
| 19:19.14 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 19:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (from dmesg) [41874.176757] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending LOWSIGNAL |
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| 19:20.12 | Scelt | ptl: hopefully not your private parts. most likely or your hope is gone if you did that |
| 19:20.20 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, sorry :P |
| 19:20.20 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 19:20.21 | wolf^ | Stskeeps, assuming you are doing build based on srpm, you may want to pass -bb (build binary) to rpmbuild, instead of -ba (build all), which also creates srpm |
| 19:20.29 | Scelt | ptl: or -> all |
| 19:20.48 | Stskeeps | wolf^: thanks, will do some rewriting |
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| 19:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hmm? |
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| 19:21.14 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a lil more enthusiasm please :-P |
| 19:21.24 | SpeedEvil | reboots. |
| 19:23.34 | ptl | Scelt: but the test went ok, it was successful. :) |
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| 19:23.56 | ptl | http://patola.org/leticia1.jpg is the "data" I used for this test |
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| 19:25.42 | N900evil | DocScrutinizer, I reserve enthusiasm for days I have moved under 2 tons of soil.. |
| 19:25.42 | Stskeeps | not bad |
| 19:26.06 | ptl | I've just seen now that the thread for this issue has been deleted |
| 19:26.12 | ptl | so I can post the results of my test. |
| 19:26.13 | ptl | too bad |
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| 19:26.25 | ptl | *so I can't |
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| 19:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | heh, there's a way to delete tmo threads? PLEASE, make that available to everybody XP |
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| 19:33.10 | dmj726_n9001 | Wouls anyone find a document reader useful for the n900? |
| 19:33.22 | dmj726_n9001 | *would |
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| 19:34.32 | C-S-B-N900 | dmj726_n900: like word/odf etc? |
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| 19:35.17 | SpeedEvil | reads books using fbreader |
| 19:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | just skimmed about 40 posts in a thread on "fancy bits on N900" or somesuch crap, to find the ONE post that's not about well documented-in-wiki shortcuts. That one was lshal|grep percent - - <facepalm> |
| 19:35.39 | dmj726_n9001 | no, like you take a photo, and it reads the document (ocr, formatting, and text to speech) |
| 19:36.29 | C-S-B-N900 | a bit like a scanner...mmm. |
| 19:36.43 | dmj726_n9001 | yep |
| 19:36.52 | ptl | I read book using FBReader and evince |
| 19:36.54 | C-S-B-N900 | i dont know how often i have printed media i cant get digital. |
| 19:37.02 | ptl | evince is great for reading pdfs and has kinetic scrolling |
| 19:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | phototranslate |
| 19:37.08 | ptl | oh |
| 19:37.17 | C-S-B-N900 | see docscrutinizer |
| 19:37.18 | dmj726_n9001 | A big part of the audience would be blind users |
| 19:37.28 | C-S-B-N900 | thats the only use for ocr. |
| 19:37.32 | C-S-B-N900 | for me. |
| 19:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | wrecks flashlight |
| 19:38.06 | C-S-B-N900 | wrecks fleshlight |
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| 19:39.09 | dmj726_n9001 | but I'm gauging how much sighted people would find this useful. |
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| 19:39.15 | dmj726_n9001 | I can think of a few occasions I would have liked to ocr photos. |
| 19:39.47 | C-S-B-N900 | yeah, it would be novel for a few situations |
| 19:43.02 | dmj726_n9001 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48548 |
| 19:45.52 | GAN900 | When the hell does the election end? |
| 19:47.01 | Stskeeps | good question |
| 19:47.31 | RST38h | GAN: Are you in? =) |
| 19:49.34 | GAN900 | 23:59 UTC March 29th, I think. |
| 19:49.40 | GAN900 | But I have no idea. |
| 19:49.43 | GAN900 | Jaffa? |
| 19:50.15 | Stskeeps | not 23:39 yet for sure :P |
| 19:50.17 | Stskeeps | er, 59 |
| 19:50.33 | GAN900 | Yeah, that I realize. :P |
| 19:50.46 | GAN900 | MWKN |
| 19:51.44 | Jaffa | GAN900: Yeah? |
| 19:52.00 | Jaffa | GAN900: Oh. Hmm. |
| 19:52.17 | Jaffa | Well, it started 00:00 on Wednesday, so it'll finish 23:59 on Tuesday |
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| 19:53.27 | Jaffa | GAN900: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q1_2010 agrees |
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| 20:06.28 | kamui | sup pimps |
| 20:06.31 | kamui | dmj726_n900, |
| 20:06.40 | kamui | how would you like to test my latest blender build |
| 20:06.49 | kamui | I have the lag down in software to under 1 second |
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| 20:08.05 | pupnik | cool |
| 20:08.32 | SpeedEvil | kamui, neat |
| 20:08.33 | pupnik | but that is slow |
| 20:08.53 | kamui | its still slow pupnik |
| 20:08.54 | kamui | yes |
| 20:08.55 | kamui | but |
| 20:09.00 | kamui | it was over 2 seconds before |
| 20:09.31 | kamui | its probably running around 5-8 fps now |
| 20:09.35 | kamui | which is very usable |
| 20:09.54 | kamui | Im still working on the wrapper, but I think at this point the other gles wrappers might be the way to go |
| 20:10.16 | kamui | I would need to completely redo my build environment though, so I've been lazy about doing as much |
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| 20:10.35 | Jaffa | GAN900: Going to take a small break from fleshing out the issue to deal with a couple of site bugs |
| 20:10.40 | kamui | thinking about setting up a new virtual build environemnt in 7 instead of tainting my debian box further |
| 20:10.57 | GAN900 | Jaffa, going to take a small break to eat, momentarily. :P |
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| 20:14.58 | dmj726_n9001 | kamui 5-8 fps for blender, not too bad. |
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| 20:18.59 | haltdef_ | kamui, n900 arriving tomorrow :> |
| 20:19.39 | pupnik | nice kamui :) |
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| 20:24.52 | C-S-B-N900 | haltdef_: woot! |
| 20:25.16 | haltdef_ | I'm hoping I'll be blown away |
| 20:25.39 | dmj726_n900 | What's the best way to get the open windows? |
| 20:25.39 | haltdef_ | coming from an xperia x1, always had windows mobile since I switched from palm OS in 2003 :P |
| 20:26.59 | C-S-B-N900 | open windows? |
| 20:27.30 | dmj726_n900 | yes, to make an alternate task switcher |
| 20:27.34 | C-S-B-N900 | haltdef_: i was blown away, but helps if you are a linux hacker |
| 20:27.54 | haltdef_ | I don't like linux on the desktop but I am familiar with it |
| 20:28.08 | haltdef_ | the idea of linux in my pocket though .. moist |
| 20:28.13 | dmj726_n900 | Yes, anyone who is a fan of desktop linux will love the n900. |
| 20:28.16 | haltdef_ | not android, proper linux :P |
| 20:28.29 | dmj726_n900 | that's what maemo is. |
| 20:28.31 | C-S-B-N900 | why dont you like linux on the desktop |
| 20:28.45 | C-S-B-N900 | its like a desktop pc in your pocket. |
| 20:29.09 | haltdef_ | windows just works, linux needed hackery to get the simplest of things working |
| 20:29.22 | C-S-B-N900 | it really doesn't. |
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| 20:29.29 | C-S-B-N900 | but heck |
| 20:29.31 | haltdef_ | this was a few years ago now |
| 20:29.41 | C-S-B-N900 | point in hand |
| 20:30.00 | dmj726_n900 | linux on the desktop is very different than a few years ago. |
| 20:30.11 | haltdef_ | also I enjoy haxing at video files, all of the tools are on windows :p |
| 20:30.12 | C-S-B-N900 | youd be plesently surprised with ubuntu these days |
| 20:30.42 | dmj726_n900 | For games and video editing windows has better application availability |
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| 20:31.06 | dmj726_n900 | everything else, ubuntu is quite capable |
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| 20:31.47 | C-S-B-N900 | and even video editing ubuntu is now supplying a solution. |
| 20:31.48 | dmj726_n900 | on a side note: n900 + microsd = liveusb |
| 20:32.09 | Shapeshifter | though when you *know* linux, ubuntu is overly annoying. and it's slow. and the only reason most stuff "just works" is because the whole universe is pulled in as a dependency when installing something. |
| 20:32.12 | dmj726_n900 | It's a pretty basic editor, but not broken. |
| 20:32.36 | haltdef_ | I probably won't be using my microsd, that'll be strange |
| 20:32.47 | haltdef_ | all devices I've owned so far have had tiny amounts of internal storage |
| 20:33.01 | C-S-B-N900 | with 32gb onbaord, you dont need to. |
| 20:33.05 | haltdef_ | mm |
| 20:33.11 | haltdef_ | I can't fill 8GB :P |
| 20:33.26 | Shapeshifter | I can hardly fill 8gb on my laptop |
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| 20:33.42 | dmj726_n900 | I can, but you have to leave the camera on for an hour at a time. |
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| 20:34.43 | haltdef_ | heh |
| 20:34.43 | grishnav | any way to hit meta in xterm on the n900? |
| 20:34.57 | C-S-B-N900 | i'm debating packing mine with audio and video. |
| 20:35.15 | haltdef_ | yea that's the plan |
| 20:35.31 | dmj726_n900 | pack it with av stuff, it's handy |
| 20:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | Ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 20:36.05 | C-S-B-N900 | playing vids without renecoding them to a tv |
| 20:36.10 | C-S-B-N900 | is awesome |
| 20:36.42 | haltdef_ | I'm looking forward to that, my x1 just can't do that |
| 20:36.55 | haltdef_ | which is retarded because my much older htc universal can |
| 20:37.49 | dmj726_n900 | n900 can be used as a decently competent media center pc. |
| 20:38.13 | dmj726_n900 | just avoid HD video and you'll be fine. |
| 20:38.19 | Shapeshifter | grishnav: esc often does meta |
| 20:38.25 | Shapeshifter | grishnav: the onscreen esc |
| 20:39.00 | C-S-B-N900 | hd video lol, even the netbook falls at that hurdle. |
| 20:39.01 | grishnav | Shapeshifter: shoulda been more specific... any way to hold it down while pressing a number? :P |
| 20:39.13 | grishnav | Shapeshifter: I'm trying to switch windows in irssi without doing /window <x> |
| 20:39.26 | Shapeshifter | grishnav: esc works |
| 20:39.42 | Shapeshifter | grishnav: it's finger acrobatics but it works |
| 20:40.04 | grishnav | Shapeshifter: cant seem to get it to... |
| 20:40.25 | C-S-B-N900 | xchat uses the volume keys to move between windows |
| 20:40.30 | Shapeshifter | grishnav: actually, do this: |
| 20:40.40 | grishnav | C-S-B-N900: fuck yeah |
| 20:40.47 | Shapeshifter | grishnav: hit esc (and release), then hit the number |
| 20:41.00 | Shapeshifter | grishnav: tried it just now and it works. doesn't work if you keep esc pressed ;) |
| 20:41.05 | grishnav | Shapeshifter: that works too. thanks! |
| 20:41.40 | SpeedEvil | C-S-B-N900, or shifted numbers. (with my bindings) |
| 20:41.57 | C-S-B-N900 | ooooh. :) |
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| 20:43.20 | SpeedEvil | C-S-B-N900, annoyingly - symbol - foo can't be bound. |
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| 21:15.31 | lauri | hey guys |
| 21:15.39 | haltdef_ | hi |
| 21:15.48 | lauri | anybody knows how many slots Maemo got for GSoC? |
| 21:17.30 | noobmonk3y | hmmm does pygst exist on the n900? |
| 21:18.18 | noobmonk3y | hmm ask vdvsx |
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| 21:56.49 | ReadyKilowatt | anyone have the homepage for E-Coach? Does the author have a tip jar? |
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| 22:02.45 | mikkov | http://ecoach.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 22:20.04 | ReadyKilowatt | mikkov - thanks |
| 22:21.46 | Jaffa | GAN900: ping |
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| 22:23.14 | GAN900 | Jaffa, pong. |
| 22:25.10 | Jaffa | GAN900: Getting close to giving up; with 5 left... |
| 22:25.39 | GAN900 | Jaffa, that's fine, I can pick up the rest in the next hour or two. |
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| 22:25.51 | Jaffa | GAN900: Cool, much appreciated. |
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| 22:50.42 | embedded | Hi all |
| 22:51.38 | embedded | Is there someone who uses SDL functions to get keyboard keys with Maemo 5? |
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| 22:53.44 | embedded | No one? |
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