| 00:00.23 | RobbieAB | Well, I'm not *quite* confident enough to try and break the kernel just yet. |
| 00:00.41 | ptl | qole and some friends found a way to do NAT in userspace too, but it seems it is really slow and unstable yet |
| 00:00.49 | ptl | they use something called vde2 |
| 00:00.57 | RobbieAB | (nod) |
| 00:01.23 | ptl | I didn't even quite understood what vde2 is. |
| 00:01.28 | ptl | much less how it works |
| 00:01.31 | RobbieAB | Well, I will just have to play around, get something working, and than look at how to improve it. |
| 00:01.42 | ptl | good luck! |
| 00:02.12 | RobbieAB | I have a couple of weeks off work... |
| 00:02.17 | RobbieAB | And am motivated. |
| 00:02.40 | RobbieAB | â¬470 for a toy, and if I can't get it working nicely as a really easy 3G modem for the laptop... |
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| 00:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's a bit lame to ask, but can anybody please explain to me where to learn about the dbus methods offered by https://garage.maemo.org/projects/contactinfos/ pkg |
| 00:19.52 | RobbieAB | Read the code? (Icky way, I know...) |
| 00:20.10 | RobbieAB | Also, is that project still alive? That page seems kinda out of date |
| 00:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | or http://maemo.org/packages/view/contactinfos/ to be more up to date |
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| 00:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | I just can't believe the author of that package hasn't included any kind of 'api' documentation - but I fail to spot anything |
| 00:24.08 | TheNewAndy | hi, I'm trying to compile pulseaudio (I'm wanting the ladspa plugin) |
| 00:24.28 | TheNewAndy | I did an apt-get build-dep pulseaudio and an apt-get source pulseaudio |
| 00:24.48 | TheNewAndy | but when I go to autogen it, it tells me I need a more recent version of autoconf |
| 00:25.02 | TheNewAndy | (version 2.6.something). |
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| 00:26.04 | TheNewAndy | I tried installing it the other night, but the sb_autoconf_wrapper prevents it from being run |
| 00:26.13 | TheNewAndy | is there a clean way to get this to work? |
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| 00:26.38 | javispedro | I wouldn't start a maemo journey by rebuilding pulseaudio.. |
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| 00:28.06 | javispedro | TheNewAndy: also, install package pulseaudio-module-extra |
| 00:28.16 | javispedro | TheAppleMan: it containts ladspa-sink at least |
| 00:28.30 | TheNewAndy | oh awesome, that is exactly what I wanted :) |
| 00:28.57 | eut | is there a way i can download an app on my desktop and install it on my tablet via usb? |
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| 00:48.01 | Corsac | hmhm, Jennifer Granick at cansecwest is talking about TI calculators private keys distribution, legal issues and stuff |
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| 01:47.21 | Tobarja | this is twice today that my n810 has gotten overwhelmed and rebooted itself. is that normal? |
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| 01:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | Tobarja: mine reboots at random |
| 01:48.20 | Tobarja | DocScrutinizer thanks... you've vindicated my wife... :-/ |
| 01:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes 5 times a day, sometines none in 50 days |
| 01:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | i did what? sorry got no webster at hand, and my English is poor, but I'm quite sure I did nothing to your wife |
| 01:52.26 | Tobarja | ha... she was playing with it and it freaked out, stopped responding. when you said yours reboots at random you cleared her of wrongdoing |
| 01:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 01:57.17 | DocScrutinizer | dunno. I got a wacky charger receptacle, and sometimes I got the idea this is related somehow. But then again I wasn't able to trigger reboots by crazy charger plug action. Anyway this wasn't like that from the beginning, rather it started maybe a year ago, maybe 18 months |
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| 02:04.24 | Ken-Young | Within scratchbox, gdb always segfaults for me, if I pass it a core file to analyze. Does anyone know what might be causing that? |
| 02:05.16 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, proved her right. Or not wrong. |
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| 02:15.02 | ponyofde1th | hi, im trying to wipe my nokia n900 before i send it back for an RMA do i flash first with "RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin" then with "RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" ? |
| 02:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | sounds about right |
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| 02:26.20 | leandroal | I'm trying to make a svn up and the svn is return the following: SSL handshake failed: Connection reset by peer (https://vcs.maemo.org). What is going on? |
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| 03:06.53 | dotblank | Is there a module-ladspa-sink built for PA on the n900 |
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| 03:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-26 01:28:06] <javispedro> TheNewAndy: also, install package pulseaudio-module-extra |
| 03:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-26 01:28:15] <javispedro> TheAppleMan: it containts ladspa-sink at least |
| 03:57.30 | TheNewAndy | (poor The AppleMan getting spammed by tab completion :)) |
| 03:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | is wondering what strange TV-show might have created interest in ladspa |
| 03:57.54 | TheNewAndy | javispedro and I are now chatting in #maemo :) |
| 03:58.43 | TheNewAndy | I'm interested because I'm trying to do a demo of some audio processing at work, and ladspa+pulse is the biggest bang for buck |
| 03:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | err, what? |
| 04:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | I wasn't even aware there's a ladspa plugin for friggin PA. For ALSA there's been one since ages |
| 04:00.43 | TheNewAndy | it is a bit limited (single channel only, can't adjust parameters on the fly) |
| 04:01.31 | TheNewAndy | but it is great for my purposes (hacking up a demo on multiple platforms really quickly) |
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| 05:11.26 | LiraNuna | when my N900 receives a call and plays a custom ringtone, there is a pause when it's finished |
| 05:11.34 | LiraNuna | how can I make it loop without the pause? |
| 05:13.30 | crashanddie | Pray Baahl and slit the troath of a 12 year old elf virgin |
| 05:13.56 | jaska | bhaaaaaal |
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| 05:28.50 | MiXu- | afaik it should mount automatically unless something in the phone is using the mmc all the time |
| 05:29.55 | MiXu- | in which case it will complain "MMC is in use" or something like that when you plug it in |
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| 05:45.08 | acidjazz | just launched my 2nd game http://apps.facebook.com/luckyjackpot/ |
| 05:46.54 | crashanddie_ | the next person who promotes his facebook app in here gets banned for life |
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| 06:10.16 | Stskeeps | work mornings are not the time for my laptop to start running a forced fsck. |
| 06:10.26 | Stskeeps | when will linux have ZFS. |
| 06:12.58 | crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: the same year as the year of the Linux desktop! |
| 06:13.04 | simula | heh |
| 06:13.25 | simula | is happy with linux in his pocket |
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| 06:18.02 | Stskeeps | simula: pocket is fine, it doesn't do forced fscks :P |
| 06:19.31 | simula | did you pull the power plug stskeeps? what forced fsck? |
| 06:20.59 | Stskeeps | simula: 41 times without a check |
| 06:21.04 | simula | ahhhh |
| 06:21.16 | Stskeeps | yes, i know i can adjust that |
| 06:21.27 | Stskeeps | but no, i always shut down nicely |
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| 06:45.33 | RST38h | watches the "Screen Colours" thread on tmo. Some people really can't take no for an answer... |
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| 06:48.03 | ColdFyre | link? |
| 06:48.16 | Jaffa | Nooooo... don't look |
| 06:48.39 | RST38h | The stupidity level there rises to previously unknown heights |
| 06:49.25 | Jaffa | hasn't had the good fortune to read that thread. |
| 06:50.07 | ColdFyre | i think i've already seen the stupidest people alive, can't be that bad.. |
| 06:50.12 | RST38h | Jaffa: Let us just say they are accusing javispedro of lying "because nokia usa site claims n900 is 16m colors" |
| 06:50.52 | Jaffa | Oh dear. |
| 06:50.52 | RST38h | And the nokia usa site obviously cannot be wrong :) |
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| 06:51.12 | Jaffa | Marketing's *always* 100% accurate |
| 06:51.13 | ColdFyre | ahh share the link... |
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| 06:52.18 | ColdFyre | Screen Colours / Color Depth: 16 million or 65K? <--- that one? |
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| 06:53.37 | ColdFyre | after seeing page 1, that must be it |
| 06:54.19 | Rabidus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:54.24 | RST38h | Jaffa: So is Wikipedia, although evil javispedro has EDITED it after the fact! Can you believe? |
| 06:55.10 | RST38h | The truth was out there and he killed it! Pure horror. |
| 06:55.16 | RST38h | ==> work |
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| 06:57.49 | Jaffa | Oh dear. |
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| 07:04.04 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm actually not sure if it's a 24bit screen or not |
| 07:04.37 | Stskeeps | i mean, framebuffer is 16, yes, but there can be reasons for that |
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| 07:04.50 | ColdFyre | i am positive it's 24 bit |
| 07:05.20 | ColdFyre | </troll> |
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| 07:41.45 | AdmiralSausage | hi! if I flash a fiasco image but not the mmc, what happens to all my apps in /opt? |
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| 07:46.25 | ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Fusion-Garage-JooJoo/ <-- hmm |
| 07:46.41 | ruskie | AdmiralSausage, those are in /opt which is a symlink to /home which is on the mmc iirc |
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| 07:48.37 | AdmiralSausage | so from what I understand, the apps will remain on the mmc but won't appear to be installed because there is no symlink to them from /usr/share, and they aren't in the apt db. correct? |
| 07:48.51 | ruskie | iirc yes |
| 07:49.15 | AdmiralSausage | does that cause probs when you want to reinstall them? |
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| 07:49.56 | yigal | why would that cause problems? |
| 07:50.10 | yigal | if they are binaries just upgrade, and use the new binary? |
| 07:50.51 | AdmiralSausage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.36 | yigal | if they aren't in the apt db then what's to worry apt about? |
| 07:52.02 | yigal | if the old stuff works and then the new stuff also works then, no harm no foul? |
| 07:53.00 | yigal | just applying basic logic, but I've probably missed something very important |
| 07:53.34 | AdmiralSausage | so if apt is installing something for the first time, and there are already files in the place it wants to write them, it overwrites them? that is fine but not obvious to me |
| 07:55.09 | yigal | yes, that is exactly what apt does |
| 07:55.22 | yigal | as far as I understand, which isn't very much |
| 07:57.03 | AdmiralSausage | excellent, that's all the assurance I needed. off to flash then - thanks a lot |
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| 07:58.06 | yigal | wow that's not very much assurance, but hey glad I could be there for the dude |
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| 08:01.17 | yigal | gnu chess is so hard I can barely beat its easy game :( |
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| 08:02.29 | Shapeshifter | has someone found out how to make VGBA fullscreen? |
| 08:02.29 | Stskeeps | yigal: the on device one? |
| 08:02.31 | yigal | ah socializing by myself again |
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| 08:02.58 | Stskeeps | has heard many stories about that chess game |
| 08:04.20 | Shapeshifter | ptl: there's no wiki page but the first post in the forum thread contains some info, and for the CLI, alarmed.py -h has some info and examples |
| 08:05.29 | yigal | Stskeeps: no just Ubuntu, I use eboard on my n800 to play internet chess, just spraying words |
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| 08:07.43 | Unksi | hmm, my n900 does not indicate if it has low power... is there a way to make it indicate it? |
| 08:10.17 | yigal | man I'm almost to the point where I'm willing to get the n900 despite it being "fat", smaller screen, and not as punchy of a cpu as I would want, the fact that it can run the Gimp, LaTeX, GCC, and that it has a resistive screen are almost enough, but not quite for me to make the plunge |
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| 08:13.33 | d14 | :D |
| 08:13.45 | d14 | ah, wrong window x) |
| 08:13.48 | yigal | the fact that some next gen. smart phones will undoubtedly have e-ink/Pixel Qi like screens allowing for about a full day, 24hours, of video usage before recharge, and of course absolutely perfect to read outside, that is the only thing holding me back |
| 08:13.51 | d14 | morning o/ |
| 08:13.53 | corecode_ | do we have some sort of application ranking? like vim has for the scripts? |
| 08:14.20 | yigal | corecode_: nice analogy |
| 08:14.31 | corecode_ | you know, the script karma |
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| 08:15.00 | yigal | just the fact that you through in vim makes you A+ ok with me |
| 08:15.10 | corecode_ | that would help me find certain things i a) didn't search for or b) searched for but didn't find |
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| 08:16.37 | yigal | what about just http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ ? |
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| 08:17.05 | yigal | it at least gives what is being downloaded, but you're right more relavent statistics would be good |
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| 08:18.41 | yigal | I will never forget how Android has wronged me |
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| 08:20.56 | yigal | oh ya gnu chess I destroyed you in an easy match |
| 08:20.57 | yigal | ha |
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| 08:24.37 | yigal | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=582909#post582909 this is so reasonable |
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| 08:28.50 | yigal | I hope I haven't been \ignored by everyone my apologies for being so garrulous |
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| 08:30.50 | corecode_ | yigal: the downloads doesn't include the maemo apt repos, does it? |
| 08:32.42 | yigal | corecode_: dude, I'm prehistoric with my n800, as far as I remember it used to? |
| 08:35.47 | corecode_ | possibly |
| 08:35.48 | corecode_ | hm |
| 08:36.01 | corecode_ | but downloads != magical ratings |
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| 08:37.39 | yigal | corecode_: true dat |
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| 08:39.21 | Trizt | Could someone tell me a bit about the gps, as it don't seem to work with in maep and ovi maps it seems to always only be calibrating is a-gps is disabled, when a-gps is enabled the location is off with ~2km and showing that I'm out in the sea and the long/lat don't change when moving. Running HealthCare I get long/lat that change by moving. |
| 08:42.08 | Lynoure | What's your favourite password manager for N900? |
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| 08:43.17 | crashanddie | my head |
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| 08:44.49 | Lynoure | crashanddie: how did you get it running in the device? =) |
| 08:45.05 | crashanddie | compiles natively |
| 08:45.14 | Lynoure | But the upload... |
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| 08:46.34 | Lynoure | My memory is too poor for ~100 different passwords that do not follow the same pattern, so encrypted manager would be nice. And there are many, I just have trouble choosing before I input a slew of data |
| 08:46.57 | corecode_ | i just copied my passwords from firefox |
| 08:47.08 | Lynoure | corecode_: to what? |
| 08:47.13 | corecode_ | to microb |
| 08:47.27 | corecode_ | from desktop to n900 |
| 08:47.29 | Lynoure | Not just browser passwords. |
| 08:47.46 | corecode_ | ah there are other passwords? :) |
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| 08:49.17 | Lynoure | corecode_: for recovering sysadmins, yes, long and random ones. |
| 08:49.33 | corecode_ | ah |
| 08:49.40 | corecode_ | i don't use passwords on ssh anymore |
| 08:49.53 | corecode_ | and i don't use passwords for physical login |
| 08:50.09 | corecode_ | in other words, i'm trying to get rid of passwords |
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| 08:50.51 | Khertan | Hi ! |
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| 08:50.55 | Stskeeps | lo Khertan |
| 08:51.00 | Stskeeps | how's it going? |
| 08:51.04 | Khertan | lo Stskeeps |
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| 08:51.25 | Khertan | bit tired ... too much things to do work |
| 08:51.32 | Khertan | bit tired ... too much things to do at work |
| 08:51.32 | Lynoure | corecode_: I'd do too, if there was a way that suited my needs. But not yet. |
| 08:51.39 | Khertan | Stskeeps: and you ? |
| 08:51.50 | Stskeeps | Khertan: same.. got a deadline coming up, testing, hacking, etc |
| 08:52.06 | corecode_ | mm deadlines |
| 08:52.21 | Khertan | the deadline is pass from one month here ... and i m just starting the development |
| 08:52.21 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:54.04 | Khertan | http://picasaweb.google.fr/lh/photo/wh0g6w_jXB-IhyhmoQtuLQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiNy4OGwo7nZQ&feat=directlink <- can you see this picture ? (i'm not sure that it s available for everyone) |
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| 08:55.11 | jjo | Khertan: I can |
| 08:55.18 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:55.19 | Khertan | jjo: thx |
| 08:55.36 | Khertan | morning jaffa |
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| 09:14.30 | timeless | makes flight to ARN |
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| 09:41.11 | noobmonk3y | waves |
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| 09:46.36 | ShadowJK | finda a video that crashes the dsp |
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| 09:50.34 | ptl | been following the porn thread on talk.maemo.org, heh? |
| 09:50.44 | gouverneur | Lynoure: there is only one passwordsafe ui isnt it? |
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| 09:51.02 | ShadowJK | I wonder how to report such crashes :-) |
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| 09:51.17 | ShadowJK | it consistently crashes at about 10 minutes in |
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| 09:53.03 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Is the video freely available on the web? |
| 09:53.22 | ShadowJK | sortof, youtube |
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| 09:53.48 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Are you playing it through flash then? |
| 09:53.52 | ShadowJK | no |
| 09:54.14 | derf | I mean, worse comes to worst, you could use https://forms.cert.org/VulReport/ |
| 09:54.15 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Then the one on youtube is not the file you are playing? :) |
| 09:54.27 | ShadowJK | gpodder can subscribe to youtube channels and download the 480p h264 baseline version |
| 09:54.37 | X-Fade | Ah. |
| 09:54.48 | derf | That ought to get some attention, at least. |
| 09:54.58 | X-Fade | Well, if you can describe what needs to be done to reproduce the bug every time. |
| 09:55.13 | X-Fade | Then it would be appreciated, I'm sure. |
| 09:55.18 | ShadowJK | But whether youtube-dl and similar get the same file I dunno.. |
| 09:55.57 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Doesn't matter. If you say it can be downloaded through gpodder an describe all steps, it should be fine. |
| 09:56.28 | ShadowJK | Well gpodder only sees new files that's in the RSS |
| 09:56.43 | ShadowJK | so it's too late :) |
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| 09:57.42 | ShadowJK | I could try MPlayer's sample archive on it I guess :) |
| 09:58.21 | ShadowJK | and the fuzzer |
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| 10:16.59 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 10:17.17 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 10:17.42 | wazd | RST38h: thank god I'm alive :D |
| 10:17.43 | noobmonk3y | w00t's |
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| 10:18.05 | RST38h | wazd: partied a littl ebit too much yesterday? =) |
| 10:18.25 | wazd | RST38h: well, actually no, but was tired like hell :) |
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| 10:18.38 | wazd | RST38h: crossed moscow like 3 times :) |
| 10:18.41 | RST38h | 2nd act today |
| 10:18.48 | RST38h | wazd: On foot? =) |
| 10:18.57 | wazd | RST38h: :D |
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| 10:20.32 | wazd | RST38h: Vlad is leaving @ 7PM |
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| 10:28.05 | jatt | hi, could someone explain me briefly what is kinetic scrolling? I bought a nokia n900 and I'm having a hard time scrolling the desktop or in the browser. |
| 10:28.46 | nidO | kinetic scrolling = scroll down something really fast then let go and it keeps scrolling for a while |
| 10:28.47 | jatt | it works, but it seems I don't have enough practice |
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| 10:28.55 | jatt | I see |
| 10:28.59 | nidO | non kinetic scrolling = it just stops as soon as you let go |
| 10:29.54 | jatt | could be that my n900 is using no kinetic scrolling? Yesterday I downloaded a maemo upgrade (maemo 5) from February this year I think. |
| 10:30.06 | ptl | Hmm |
| 10:30.18 | ptl | someone just hacked Sygic N900 to use maps from the symbian versions |
| 10:30.22 | jatt | but before the upgrade it was the same |
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| 10:32.52 | noobmonk3y | i find kinectic for me works better with the stylus as i have fat thumbs :D |
| 10:37.19 | ptl | I find everything for me works better with the stylus because my screen gets dirty with fingers...! |
| 10:37.43 | Lynoure | gouverneur: there is at least Keeppass, pysafe, pyring, password safe |
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| 10:38.03 | SpeedEvil | I ordered a pack of 10 screen protectors. |
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| 10:38.26 | SpeedEvil | 'blocks' does _bad_ things to your protector. |
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| 10:38.56 | ptl | Yes, I use a screen protector from PDAir, but it costs a lot of money, US$ 12 |
| 10:39.01 | ptl | (for a screen protector) |
| 10:39.21 | ptl | nevertheless it's very good and clear |
| 10:39.28 | SpeedEvil | $3 for 10 |
| 10:39.35 | SpeedEvil | inc free ship |
| 10:39.42 | SpeedEvil | ebay++ |
| 10:39.52 | ptl | not the same quality, I suppose |
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| 10:40.35 | noobmonk3y | i had one and hated it |
| 10:40.38 | noobmonk3y | ripped it off after a week |
| 10:40.39 | SpeedEvil | maybe not. I question if the $12 one would not scratch with sand + pointer tho |
| 10:40.44 | nidO | i dont have a protector on mine |
| 10:40.45 | ptl | when I take it off the N900, it's practically invisible |
| 10:40.46 | noobmonk3y | was too rubbery and felt odd when i used it |
| 10:40.53 | noobmonk3y | nidO: me neither now...... |
| 10:41.02 | nidO | im happy having a decent looking + feeling screen, and being careful |
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| 10:41.33 | jatt | sooner or later it will scratch :( |
| 10:42.02 | ptl | SpeedEvil: I don't know, I had some screen protectors on my previous phone and this one is clearly different. Besides being very very very very very very very clear, it adheres without any bubbles to the N900 surface and feels really good to the touch, so I don't fear using my fingers on it anymore |
| 10:42.06 | jatt | like everything... glasses, clocks, etc. |
| 10:42.23 | jatt | do you have a link to those screen protectors? |
| 10:42.25 | gouverneur | Lynoure: ok now i get what you mean |
| 10:42.26 | nidO | more people need to start using gorilla glass |
| 10:42.34 | SpeedEvil | nigella for expample, I have over 200 scratches where the blocks come. |
| 10:42.34 | ptl | I'd buy another one anyday |
| 10:42.42 | SpeedEvil | nidO, |
| 10:42.46 | nidO | but tbh if i can get through a year without too badly damaging the screen, ill just replace it |
| 10:42.48 | gouverneur | nidO: I managed to scratch it with latex |
| 10:42.54 | ptl | jatt: pdair.com is where I bought my protector, an expensive one... screen clear protector or something like that is its name |
| 10:43.23 | Lynoure | gouverneur: is Password Safe the one you like? |
| 10:43.29 | gouverneur | nidO: you can barely see the scratch, in normal conditions not visible |
| 10:43.31 | ptl | jatt: but on ebay you buy then a dime a dozen |
| 10:43.56 | nidO | gouverneur whats that, the n900's screen? |
| 10:44.00 | gouverneur | Lynoure: I use password safe as i just wanted a tool to crypt passwords and have a good overview if needed |
| 10:44.09 | gouverneur | nidO: yep |
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| 10:44.12 | lcuk | tracy is singing loudly with her ipod in, is there a way i can remotely disable it? |
| 10:44.31 | ptl | what about pysafe and keepassx? |
| 10:44.46 | nidO | yeah microscratches like that wont really bother me, i've gotten through 2 months so far without any scratches of any kind whatsoever so even a few tiny almost impossible to see ones wont bother me |
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| 10:45.17 | nidO | at this rate I should have no problem getting through a year with the screen still in reasonably decent condition, then id rather just replace it with a new one than suffer a screen protector the whole time |
| 10:46.06 | timeless | hey tybollt |
| 10:46.35 | SpeedEvil | makes a pointer. |
| 10:46.39 | timeless | the plane arrived @arn 10mins before departing hel |
| 10:46.56 | ptl | suffer a screen protector? |
| 10:46.56 | timeless | but couldn't reach the gate for 10mins |
| 10:47.00 | SpeedEvil | from hedgeprunings. |
| 10:47.06 | ptl | mine goes really well |
| 10:47.23 | timeless | and then the idiotic arlanda express rejected my visa card |
| 10:47.53 | timeless | the bank machine offers to speak english but doesn't say which button is "enter" or "backspace" |
| 10:48.13 | timeless | and the ticket machine rejected my third 100 sek bill |
| 10:48.29 | timeless | so i had to break it at the currency exchange |
| 10:48.45 | timeless | but now i'm waiting for the express to depart :) |
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| 10:48.53 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:49.17 | jatt | will meego run on my n900? or it won't be supported? |
| 10:49.27 | MiXu- | jatt: no one knows |
| 10:49.29 | timeless | is trying to remember how to use meego.com to find user profiles |
| 10:49.33 | jatt | I see |
| 10:49.37 | timeless | jatt: totally unannounced |
| 10:49.39 | fgs_ | lcuk: a gunshot should do the trick |
| 10:49.50 | timeless | but each time someone asks, i'm killing a fly |
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| 10:50.11 | lcuk | fgs_, :( |
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| 10:50.32 | jatt | hehe |
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| 10:54.23 | gouverneur | jatt: we do not know what meego looks like yet |
| 10:54.43 | ptl | when will we have talk.meego.com ? |
| 10:55.20 | Anss| | jatt, it should work. |
| 10:55.22 | timeless | when someone wants more headaches |
| 10:55.27 | Anss| | afaik |
| 10:55.28 | gouverneur | ptl: afaik its still on testing and as long as the design topics arent closed it wont go public I guess |
| 10:55.37 | timeless | isn't one headache enought? |
| 10:55.45 | timeless | s/ht/h/ |
| 10:55.48 | gouverneur | timeless: true |
| 10:56.14 | timeless | technically your question belongs in #meego ;) |
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| 10:58.31 | gouverneur | am I looking at the wrong page or didn't they fix the auto-connect issues with EAP? |
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| 10:59.57 | timeless | drops gprs to save money. later all |
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| 11:02.42 | ccooke | Morning, all |
| 11:02.54 | ptl | morning! |
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| 11:08.41 | karlosos | hey guys |
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| 11:09.56 | SpeedEvil | odd. anyone else seen display corruption? |
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| 11:10.06 | RST38h | yes |
| 11:10.13 | SpeedEvil | the icons on the app launcher some are broken |
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| 11:10.21 | RST38h | yes. |
| 11:11.20 | ptl | display corruption? broken icons? Under what circumstantes? |
| 11:11.25 | ptl | s/circumstantes/circumstances/ |
| 11:11.57 | SpeedEvil | screenshots too |
| 11:12.04 | SpeedEvil | just normal use |
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| 11:13.05 | ptl | not in mine |
| 11:13.26 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos |
| 11:13.29 | ptl | the icons in the app launcher are just not updated when you install an application, it's a known bug, fixed in PR1.2 |
| 11:13.31 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:13.35 | ptl | if you reboot they appear |
| 11:13.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4464674308/ |
| 11:13.52 | SpeedEvil | like that |
| 11:14.55 | ptl | no... never seen anything like that on mine |
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| 11:20.54 | Lynoure | gouverneur: thanks. I think I'll give password safe a proper try then first. :) As so far yours is the only recommendation I've gotten. |
| 11:21.06 | ptl | what about pysafe? |
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| 11:24.05 | Khertan | pysafe ? |
| 11:24.08 | Khertan | what is it ? |
| 11:24.34 | Khertan | A program to keep your passwords and personal info safe and always available in your hands. |
| 11:24.36 | Khertan | found :) |
| 11:25.06 | ptl | A brazilian developer who also runs an excellent blog about N900 did it. He's currently converting it to qt. |
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| 11:28.38 | Dassu | Is there a way to sync qtirreco with HTPC's lircd.conf file? |
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| 11:33.32 | Dassu | well, I guess I should start looking for lirc remote archives for matches with qtirreco archive |
| 11:33.38 | Dassu | takes forever but what can you do |
| 11:36.44 | atiti | anyone doing google soc? |
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| 11:39.09 | hrw | morning |
| 11:39.22 | gouverneur | Lynoure: mmh, it has folders what is a ++ for me, as I like to separate work,banking,websites and so on |
| 11:39.37 | gouverneur | hrw: bit late for that dont you think? |
| 11:39.41 | hrw | ~ugt |
| 11:39.42 | infobot | i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 11:39.44 | gouverneur | ;) |
| 11:40.02 | hrw | gouverneur: you never know which timezone I am in.. |
| 11:40.03 | Lynoure | gouverneur: yes, could not do without some categories |
| 11:40.05 | nidO | woah, whats happened to the testing repo this morningh |
| 11:40.09 | gouverneur | hrw: I know! |
| 11:40.12 | Lynoure | mornings are quite subjective things :) |
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| 11:40.21 | X-Fade | nidO: ? |
| 11:40.22 | hrw | gouverneur: I wonder how |
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| 11:40.43 | gouverneur | hrw: I say morning after I wake up that might be in the afternoon... |
| 11:41.04 | nidO | X-Fade: well it suddenly seems to be like twice the size it was 6 hours ago, and theres several versions of practically every piece of software in it |
| 11:41.08 | X-Fade | nidO: Ah, oops :) |
| 11:41.16 | X-Fade | nidO: Need to filter the cleaned ones out.. |
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| 11:41.26 | gouverneur | hrw: I know that I never know as long as I do not ask |
| 11:44.10 | X-Fade | nidO: Should be better now ;) |
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| 11:45.29 | X-Fade | nidO: Didn't filter on the 'old version removed by repository cleaning' status :) |
| 11:45.35 | nidO | ah, much ;) |
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| 11:47.36 | X-Fade | nidO: Thanks for mentioning it. |
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| 11:48.22 | nidO | on the subject of the repos, what would it realistically take to get a new category added for themes to save them being splattered all over the place..? |
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| 11:48.46 | X-Fade | nidO: The problem is that the AM would need to be changed for that. |
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| 11:49.03 | nidO | yeah I figured as much :< |
| 11:49.16 | X-Fade | nidO: And that implies adding icon, translation etc etc. |
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| 11:49.43 | X-Fade | I really wish we thought of that when setting the categories :) |
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| 11:57.55 | Ken-Young | During the night, an app I have in Extras had a huge increase in downloads over the average it had settled down to over the last few weeks. Could that mean that some region got the pr1.2 update, and those folks are reloading apps? |
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| 11:58.22 | Stskeeps | maybe testers |
| 11:58.37 | haltdef | ordered n900~ |
| 11:58.44 | Ken-Young | Stskeeps, 1500 downloads in less than 6 hours... |
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| 11:58.54 | Stskeeps | haltdef: welcome aboard |
| 11:58.57 | ptl | I think that it someone got the PR1.2 update we'd see him immediately bragging about it on tmo |
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| 11:59.25 | ptl | ~tmo |
| 11:59.30 | X-Fade | Ken-Young: Did it get mentioned somewhere? |
| 11:59.37 | ptl | ~ping |
| 11:59.37 | infobot | ~pong |
| 11:59.49 | ptl | infobot should have an entry for tmo |
| 11:59.50 | Ken-Young | X-Fade, I'll have too google, and check for that. |
| 11:59.53 | nidO | whats the app? |
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| 12:00.04 | Ken-Young | nidO, orrery |
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| 12:00.50 | X-Fade | Ken-Young: Did you push a new version? |
| 12:01.18 | Ken-Young | X-Fade, Yes, but it is still languishing in QA. Only six votes so far. |
| 12:01.46 | X-Fade | Yeah, but you got 713 downloads from extras devel yesterday for instance. |
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| 12:02.12 | X-Fade | Ken-Young: For the 3.1.3-1 version |
| 12:02.14 | gouverneur | Ken-Young: for me it was an upgrade shown lately! |
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| 12:02.22 | Ken-Young | X-Fade, Oh - I dodn't know that was included in the count! Thanks X-Fade. Mystery solved. |
| 12:02.38 | X-Fade | Ken-Young: Yeah it is all repos combined. |
| 12:02.43 | gouverneur | ah extras not testing... |
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| 12:03.04 | Ken-Young | gouverneur, Thanks for th info. I didn't know it would show until it got out of QA. |
| 12:03.20 | ptl | If it was night here I'd (re)test orrery immediately |
| 12:03.23 | ptl | so I could cast my vote |
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| 12:03.33 | ptl | I remember having some issues with it |
| 12:03.34 | Ken-Young | ptl, Thanks! |
| 12:03.42 | gouverneur | Ken-Young: have you thought of putting astrologie stuff in it yet? |
| 12:03.56 | ptl | this would turn off most skeptics |
| 12:04.09 | Ken-Young | ptl, What issues? Please enter a bugzilla bug if you run across problems, or want new features. |
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| 12:04.40 | Ken-Young | gouverneur, Uhhhhh, nope! |
| 12:04.50 | gouverneur | good |
| 12:05.03 | ptl | Ken-Young: I do not really remember, I got somewhat lost in its interface. I'll test again anytime, and I'll start from its tutorial. Thanks very much for this very interesting application! |
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| 12:05.43 | Ken-Young | ptl The new version is more "hildonized" and should be easier to navigate. |
| 12:05.44 | gouverneur | read it somewhere and was some kind of glad it isnt in the upgrade |
| 12:06.41 | Ken-Young | gouverneur, Version 4.0 will make random predictions about your future. |
| 12:06.55 | gouverneur | uugh |
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| 12:07.05 | Ken-Young | and flattering remarks about your personality. |
| 12:07.18 | gouverneur | ;) |
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| 12:08.15 | gouverneur | Ken-Young: a POV renderengine would be nice |
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| 12:08.45 | gouverneur | so you can get for example exact coords for a crate on the moon |
| 12:09.21 | gouverneur | but thats way of my league of coding... still trying to get weather simulation on my selfmade globe |
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| 12:09.30 | gouverneur | working |
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| 12:10.17 | Ken-Young | gouverneur, That's a good idea. I'm planning on adding a page for each planet, and I could add that there, for thouse planets which have a visible surface. |
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| 12:11.29 | gouverneur | Ken-Young: yeah thas what I mean |
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| 12:11.56 | ptl | Are you an astronomer, Ken-Young? |
| 12:12.28 | ptl | just curious |
| 12:12.30 | gouverneur | what was the map globe thing called? maybe it has a piece you want to use |
| 12:13.04 | Ken-Young | ptl Yup. |
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| 12:13.43 | gouverneur | Ken-Young: marble it was |
| 12:14.02 | gouverneur | they have mars moon and so on available |
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| 12:14.15 | jwittema | anyone here knows how to create a changelog in packageview on maemo.org ? |
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| 12:14.31 | X-Fade | jwittema: debian/changelog |
| 12:14.49 | Ken-Young | gouverneur, One can also show things like the locations of the Mars rovers, moon landers, etc. |
| 12:14.49 | jwittema | it contains changes, but the don't show up |
| 12:14.56 | X-Fade | jwittema: It gets parsed from the debian/changelog in your package. |
| 12:15.05 | X-Fade | jwittema: Which package is yours? |
| 12:15.16 | jwittema | see http://maemo.org/packages/view/batterygraph/ |
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| 12:17.44 | MiXu- | Have you checked how much BatteryGraph consumes battery? |
| 12:18.17 | jwittema | the background daemon uses less than 4 seconds cpu time per day |
| 12:18.29 | MiXu- | ok, not much then I guess :) |
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| 12:19.00 | X-Fade | jwittema: Ah, non-free. |
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| 12:19.07 | X-Fade | jwittema: Not supported, sorry. |
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| 12:19.45 | jwittema | ah, ok. too bad |
| 12:19.56 | X-Fade | jwittema: It gets parsed in the builder, from the source package. |
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| 12:20.40 | jwittema | and there's no way I manualy can edit this information? |
| 12:21.00 | X-Fade | No, not atm. |
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| 12:21.20 | ptl | and how much memory does it take? (the background daemon) |
| 12:21.31 | ptl | batterygraph is not open source? |
| 12:22.05 | Gizmokid2005 | talk.maemo.org seems to be having problems this morning, no? |
| 12:22.15 | jwittema | don't know how much memory the daemon uses... |
| 12:22.30 | jwittema | batterygraph is not open source (but freeware) |
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| 12:24.44 | ptl | I saw that |
| 12:25.07 | ptl | that's weird, because he asks for donations. But why would I donate to a closed-source program? |
| 12:25.55 | RurouniJones | Because if you use it you should ebenefit from improvements to it |
| 12:26.44 | jwittema | too show your gratitude and inspire me to improve the program |
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| 12:27.00 | Stskeeps | jwittema: you speak directly with BME? |
| 12:27.40 | jwittema | I subscribe to dbus events |
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| 12:27.58 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:28.16 | ShadowJK | wants to speak directly with bq27200 |
| 12:28.20 | Stskeeps | ever saw the bme protocol info i reversee engineered? |
| 12:28.21 | jwittema | htop shows 1.3% memory uses for the background daemon btw |
| 12:28.52 | jwittema | stskeeps: no, don't think so |
| 12:28.56 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, has anyone actually tested if maemo5 bme speaks same protocol? |
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| 12:29.32 | ptl | jwittema: are you the developer? I think you should make it clear that your program is not open source with a license section on your homepage. I've already seem demonstrations of your program, it seem to be of excellent quality, congratulations for that, but I don't see the point in closing the source specially on this case. |
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| 12:30.02 | ptl | jwittema: and even then, by not allowing commercial usage you are forbidding it to be displayed e.g on Nokia showcases, where it would impress the prospective clients... |
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| 12:30.34 | ptl | jwittema: your insights on battery usage could greatly be spreaded to other users/developers if the source were open, and interesting new features could even be added. |
| 12:31.21 | ptl | Stskeeps: do you have a page for your bme findings? |
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| 12:40.42 | ptl | ignored |
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| 12:45.44 | wazd | well, FRUCT conference was awesome :) |
| 12:46.31 | thresh | a lot of people there? |
| 12:46.47 | wazd | but it was hard to keep myself not to say "yeeeeeeeaaaaaaah" when Nokia Marketing guy was telling how nokia cares bout developers and stuff |
| 12:46.53 | wazd | thresh: yeah |
| 12:47.05 | juhovh | wow |
| 12:47.16 | juhovh | you should've put on sunglasses and say a punchline before that though |
| 12:47.24 | juhovh | then it would've been C.S.I. Miami |
| 12:47.51 | thresh | :-)) |
| 12:48.18 | wazd | :D |
| 12:48.32 | thresh | wazd: seriously, was anything interesting other than ab's talk? |
| 12:49.07 | wazd | thresh: lot's of russian community guys there :) |
| 12:49.40 | wazd | thresh: http://abbra.livejournal.com/162061.html btw |
| 12:49.51 | ptl | any practical news for N900 users? |
| 12:50.41 | thresh | wazd: yes i've read his blog post |
| 12:50.46 | thresh | i will probably be there too |
| 12:50.52 | wazd | thresh: cool :) |
| 12:51.11 | thresh | need to check if i has his mobile number thouhg |
| 12:51.14 | thresh | though |
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| 12:54.39 | ptl | Am I being read? That's now 3 things I said that got unanswered. Am I being a jerk or is it that noone can read me? |
| 12:54.58 | nidO | who said that? |
| 12:55.11 | corecode_ | no you're blue like everybody else |
| 12:56.25 | corecode_ | ptl: i guess nobody knows what to tell you |
| 12:56.33 | ptl | oh, ok. |
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| 12:56.56 | ptl | But what means to be blue like everybody else? Is it the color of active nicknames in your IRC client? |
| 12:57.01 | corecode_ | yes |
| 12:57.02 | corecode_ | :) |
| 12:57.11 | corecode_ | you hash to blue |
| 12:57.14 | corecode_ | unfortunately |
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| 12:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: have you tried to speak to bq27200 directly? |
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| 12:58.58 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, nope |
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| 12:59.37 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, there's a driver in linux, but I got stuck trying to figure out what/where/how tells the driver that the device exists |
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| 12:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 12:59.55 | ptl | Stskeeps: I am googling but can't find your reverse-engineering efforts on it, can you lead me to the page? |
| 13:00.17 | ShadowJK | Also, bme is speaking some i2c directly from userspace, but I don't know what device it's speaking with |
| 13:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | orrery is cool |
| 13:00.45 | ShadowJK | orrery? |
| 13:00.45 | ptl | Stskeeps: found your page on maemo.org but there's no mention of the reverse-engineering of bme |
| 13:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: unrelated mumbling |
| 13:01.23 | ptl | The orrery program displays the night (and day!) sky on N900 devices. It displays constellations, and other astronomical information such as moon phase calendars |
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| 13:01.40 | ShadowJK | I should strace bme from boot :) |
| 13:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: just done with processing backscroll |
| 13:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | s/bme/mce ;-) |
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| 13:02.35 | ShadowJK | ptl: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol maybe |
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| 13:02.48 | ShadowJK | but that even says it's not for n900 |
| 13:03.40 | ShadowJK | is in the middle of first charge of mugen's 2400mAh battery |
| 13:04.59 | ptl | you did buy that monster? |
| 13:05.20 | ptl | how does it feel? is it practical to take the phone on the pocket? |
| 13:05.39 | ptl | Now, would SmartReflex⢠work on the mügen power battery? |
| 13:05.49 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:05.56 | Lumpio- | BME? >_> |
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| 13:06.16 | ShadowJK | battery management entity, or something like that |
| 13:06.28 | Lumpio- | k |
| 13:06.28 | SpeedEvil | smartreflex is a cpu thing |
| 13:06.38 | ShadowJK | ptl: it feels practical for my use |
| 13:07.30 | ptl | I'd but it if hadn't already bought a protective case for the N900... |
| 13:08.20 | ptl | ShadowJK: thanks, but maybe it's not this page, because it doesn't have any change by Stskeeps on the history... |
| 13:08.32 | ShadowJK | hm |
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| 13:11.15 | corecode_ | SpeedEvil: how's the usb host situation? |
| 13:11.26 | corecode_ | SpeedEvil: you found some loophole in the errata or specs? |
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| 13:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: there's no need for a loophole. We just need the kernel drivers for usb-host protocol, then we should be fine with manually enabled unpowred hostmode (the mode that needs a powered hub or y-cable) |
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| 13:15.13 | corecode_ | ah |
| 13:15.19 | corecode_ | no way to power the port? |
| 13:15.40 | SpeedEvil | corecode_, I have regrettably had no time. Spending most of my time digging. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ |
| 13:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: if we manage to switch on the GAIA chargepump, and the schematics are somewhat wrong on a missing capacitor, we even might get power |
| 13:16.47 | FIQ | i don't think that google is down so... how to kill the web browser? |
| 13:16.50 | FIQ | completly |
| 13:17.02 | FIQ | not just close some windows |
| 13:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: worst thing to throw stick on our legs is PHY chip not switching between pullup and pulldown resistors |
| 13:17.14 | Jaffa | FIQ: Power menu > close active task? |
| 13:17.17 | corecode_ | SpeedEvil: what are you doing? |
| 13:17.40 | corecode_ | is that house too low or are you filling up the sides |
| 13:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: but that wouldn't be a major showstopper |
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| 13:18.14 | corecode_ | FIQ: xterm + killall browser browserd |
| 13:18.22 | FIQ | ty |
| 13:18.32 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: yea that would suck |
| 13:18.35 | corecode_ | kudos |
| 13:18.42 | FIQ | jaffa: that didn't help at first |
| 13:18.49 | FIQ | did it 2 times |
| 13:18.53 | SpeedEvil | corecode_, I am extedndcing the lawn. |
| 13:18.55 | FIQ | worked now though |
| 13:19.03 | Dassu | =) |
| 13:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: I mean, we got Openmoko Frerunner charging hostmode running, where we seen same problem of pullup/down set wrong |
| 13:19.24 | SpeedEvil | There was much unremoved spoil when digging pond. |
| 13:19.43 | SpeedEvil | FIQ, see dsmetololl |
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| 13:20.04 | SpeedEvil | FIQ, just killing browserd will trigger reboots. |
| 13:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: oh? never seen that |
| 13:21.29 | corecode_ | fyi, those fake nokia CA-101 cables from hong kong for $1 work perfectly |
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| 13:21.41 | corecode_ | finally enough micro-usb cables around |
| 13:22.32 | SpeedEvil | lol. |
| 13:22.48 | SpeedEvil | just got my new screen protectors. |
| 13:22.48 | corecode_ | no, serious |
| 13:23.00 | SpeedEvil | KY screen protectors. |
| 13:23.03 | corecode_ | ah, my screen protector is quite good too |
| 13:23.10 | SpeedEvil | they are _slidy_ |
| 13:23.15 | corecode_ | it is that 3m finnish sounding name |
| 13:23.20 | corecode_ | kiiimotsu or so |
| 13:23.21 | SpeedEvil | (not really) |
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| 13:23.32 | corecode_ | vinntatu? |
| 13:23.38 | corecode_ | something like that |
| 13:24.14 | corecode_ | SpeedEvil: how come the lawn is on the first floor level? |
| 13:24.24 | corecode_ | raised lawn? |
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| 13:24.31 | corecode_ | heated from below? |
| 13:24.38 | SpeedEvil | corecode_, house built on slope. |
| 13:24.46 | corecode_ | ah |
| 13:24.48 | corecode_ | cute |
| 13:24.59 | corecode_ | we have that a lot here |
| 13:25.21 | corecode_ | enter 0, exit 12, both "ground floor" |
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| 13:25.23 | corecode_ | :) |
| 13:25.56 | SpeedEvil | corecode. Only 2m difference. |
| 13:26.13 | ShadowJK | bleh, now dsp video decode stopped working alltogether |
| 13:26.20 | ShadowJK | more fun stuff in dmesg |
| 13:26.24 | SpeedEvil | I should be finishing off toiday, but 6c and rain |
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| 13:26.33 | SpeedEvil | So am back in bed. |
| 13:26.49 | thresh | wazd: yeah i've found his phone |
| 13:26.54 | thresh | not sure i'll be there at 7pm though |
| 13:27.08 | ShadowJK | but the most annoying thing is that the media player is failing silently |
| 13:27.21 | ShadowJK | I want error messages if there's an error! |
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| 13:27.46 | wazd | thresh: cool, I'm heading there right now to meet Vlad, so we'll be wandering around for a while :) |
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| 13:31.51 | thresh | has no idea who Vlad is |
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| 13:32.48 | ptl | Vlad Tepes, of course |
| 13:32.54 | ptl | aka Vlad The Impaler |
| 13:32.59 | ptl | aka Count Dracula. |
| 13:33.12 | MiXu- | Anyone know if there's a way to easily disable prefetching Ovi Maps in bootup? |
| 13:33.37 | MiXu- | I don't use it. It's just eating mah memory. |
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| 13:34.12 | thresh | ptl: ah so he's now in Moscow, neat! |
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| 13:38.37 | MiXu- | Oh wait. It's not even prefetched :o |
| 13:38.41 | MiXu- | Never mind :) |
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| 13:58.17 | Gizmokid2005 | is there any way to add a .ics subscription to the N900 calendar? I know you can import events from an ics file, but is there any way to make it an actual subscription so it gets refreshed? |
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| 14:01.12 | noobmonk3y | sorry Gizmokid2005 - no idea |
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| 14:01.49 | Gizmokid2005 | noobmonk3y: it's not looking promising from what I can tell...it really doesn't make sense, you'd think that would be a simple and logical feature to have. |
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| 14:01.57 | cvandonderen | hi |
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| 14:02.26 | noobmonk3y | hehe, no idea what an ics file is even, but assuming it is a load of apopintments that can be imported to the calendar? |
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| 14:02.37 | noobmonk3y | if so a sync would just be a deamon checking somewhere for updates? |
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| 14:03.48 | Gizmokid2005 | noobmonk3y: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar <-- yeah, basically would just be refreshing the ics based on a specific refresh interval |
| 14:03.53 | Gizmokid2005 | would be considering it a "subscription" |
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| 14:05.15 | noobmonk3y | i would assume it could be done, probably a request thread over at T.M.O? |
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| 14:05.59 | Gizmokid2005 | noobmonk3y: that's what I was thinking, but I figured I'd check to see if maybe I was just dense and missed something that's there... |
| 14:06.09 | noobmonk3y | lol doesnt sound dense at all :D |
| 14:07.22 | Gizmokid2005 | I just find it hard to believe that with so many people this is such an overlooked "feature" |
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| 14:13.34 | thresh | wazd_e63: now who's Vlad? |
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| 14:19.26 | Gizmokid2005 | noobmonk3y: looks like http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/improving_the_calendar_in_n900/ #6 & 7 are what I'm referring to. |
| 14:20.01 | noobmonk3y | wow..... big ol' brainstorm! |
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| 14:20.14 | Gizmokid2005 | Yep! |
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| 14:22.54 | wazd_e63 | Thresh: omweather admin :) |
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| 14:27.30 | pronto | i wonder if anyone is porting chromium to the n900 |
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| 14:28.18 | marcusb | Why all the complexity with /opt and scripts and what not? Any reason one can't just "mv /usr /home; ln -s /home/usr /usr" ?? |
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| 14:29.55 | hrw | marcusb: emmc is fscking slow |
| 14:30.09 | hrw | compared to onenand flash chip |
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| 14:30.39 | marcusb | ok |
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| 14:32.35 | AntiXpucT | [17:13:12] CTCP VERSION оÑÐ²ÐµÑ Ð¾Ñ Skim[n900] [~kvirc@n900.antixpuct.ru]: KVIrc 4.0.0 svn-4222-N900 'Insomnia' 20100125 - build 2010-03-26 12:25:27 UTC - Linux (2.6.28.10maemo-omap1) |
| 14:32.54 | AntiXpucT | (i've ported KVIrc to N900) :) |
| 14:33.54 | hrw | AntiXpucT: I do not trust ctcp version |
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| 14:34.43 | ccooke | marcusb: The other reason is that there are things in /usr needed before /home is available |
| 14:35.01 | AntiXpucT | hrw, then wait some time, while i rebuild it with new paths and optify packages ;) |
| 14:35.08 | hrw | AntiXpucT: today irc clients allows to set anything |
| 14:35.13 | AntiXpucT | and i'll give you a links |
| 14:35.47 | marcusb | ccooke: oops |
| 14:35.54 | AntiXpucT | hrw, but i kill 3 days for porting, and i knew, that it is real version ;) |
| 14:35.57 | hrw | AntiXpucT: client which I normally use is already built for maemo5 but I do not use it |
| 14:37.13 | hrw | AntiXpucT: 15:33 < hrw> AntiXpucT: I do not trust ctcp version |
| 14:37.19 | hrw | Irssi 0.8.14 (20090728) - http://irssi.org/ |
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| 14:42.30 | Vratha_ | i spy on people talking on irc using tcpdump |
| 14:43.26 | corecode_ | what's that "backup" app people keep talking about |
| 14:43.40 | andrewfblack | What is up with some people taking the same theme changing background change hue and calling it a new theme? |
| 14:43.41 | SpeedEvil | dumps on people using tcp. |
| 14:44.00 | corecode_ | oh talking about background |
| 14:44.03 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: open source? |
| 14:44.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:44.09 | Vratha_ | corecode_: ubuntu one. |
| 14:44.11 | corecode_ | http://panorama.epfl.ch/index.php?&width=1920&height=1200 |
| 14:44.13 | petteri | uh.. I was hoping fore pr 1.2 today |
| 14:44.22 | corecode_ | i wanted to use that as background |
| 14:44.25 | corecode_ | dynamically |
| 14:44.39 | Vratha_ | s/\./?/ |
| 14:44.42 | corecode_ | Vratha_: is there a readymade app? |
| 14:44.45 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: I'm not naming a name but their is one theme designer that drives me crasy with his slight mods to the same theme over and over |
| 14:44.56 | Vratha_ | corecode_: on ubuntu there is |
| 14:45.13 | Vratha_ | but i don't use desktop linux |
| 14:45.21 | corecode_ | Vratha_: but people use it for maemo, or so |
| 14:45.26 | corecode_ | also one is suprslo |
| 14:45.30 | Vratha_ | so i haven't used it |
| 14:45.40 | Vratha_ | don't know about maemo |
| 14:46.04 | Vratha_ | thought you meant generally |
| 14:46.42 | andrewfblack | corecode_: what you mean dynamically you want it to move like on website? |
| 14:47.56 | corecode_ | andrewfblack: no, the picture updates every 10 minutes or so |
| 14:47.59 | andrewfblack | needs inkscape on his n900 or thumb drive |
| 14:48.53 | corecode_ | problem is also that the screen is too small |
| 14:49.01 | corecode_ | can't fit the 360 deg panorama |
| 14:49.25 | corecode_ | and i'm only using 2 screens |
| 14:50.04 | corecode_ | anybody set up snowy yet? ubuntu one notes is quite slow |
| 14:51.06 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: got PLA, ta |
| 14:51.50 | andrewfblack | corecode_: Your most likly going to have to wait for PR1.3 I hear we should be getting html backgrounds then and you will be able to do that. Also their is someone working on a 800x480 widget that will cover up your entire background. It will let you do animations and stuff. |
| 14:52.25 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Bubble Bobble will be in extras tonight |
| 14:52.34 | andrewfblack | Theme that is |
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| 14:52.47 | Stskeeps | cool :) |
| 14:52.47 | gameprograma | Hey all. |
| 14:52.51 | jatt | which chat program do you use in your n900? |
| 14:52.53 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: you did see i update the template right? |
| 14:53.03 | jatt | I use x-chat on my laptop is it available for maemo? |
| 14:53.05 | gameprograma | Are there instructions for updating the SDK installation? |
| 14:53.07 | Stskeeps | jatt: yes |
| 14:53.20 | gameprograma | I only see the instructions for installing the SDK from scratch using the GUI installer. |
| 14:53.57 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Yep Thanks |
| 14:54.19 | andrewfblack | wishes everyone could see how many PMs he gets a day about theme design |
| 14:54.59 | andrewfblack | I got several ohh my god I can't build theme PMs when new hildon-theme-layout-5 was updated |
| 14:55.06 | corecode_ | andrewfblack: no, putting a jpg there would be fine |
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| 14:57.28 | gameprograma | Anyone? :( |
| 14:59.10 | thresh | where's wazd when you need him |
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| 14:59.20 | andre__ | gameprograma, URL? |
| 14:59.20 | thresh | gameprograma: IIRC SDK are better reinstalled then updated |
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| 14:59.51 | gameprograma | thresh: That means I'll have to download all of about 1GB or so all over again. :/ |
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| 15:00.15 | gameprograma | andre__: What URL? The SDK installation instructions? |
| 15:00.30 | andre__ | yes. |
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| 15:00.32 | MohammadAG | gameprograma, my SDK works and it was updated |
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| 15:01.08 | MohammadAG | andre__, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation :) |
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| 15:01.52 | gameprograma | andre__: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 15:02.15 | MohammadAG | Need some help optifying a python source for py2deb |
| 15:02.23 | gameprograma | MohammadAG: How carry out the update? Did you use the GUI installer? |
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| 15:02.35 | andre__ | gameprograma: true, not mentioning updating. feel free to file a ticket against Dev Platform > Documentation in bugs.maemo.org |
| 15:02.44 | MohammadAG | gameprograma, it doesn't really matter, to update just use apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:02.54 | gameprograma | Got it. |
| 15:02.59 | MohammadAG | as fakeroot of course |
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| 15:03.38 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, k, np |
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| 15:04.25 | gameprograma | Thanks for the help, guys. |
| 15:04.25 | marcusb | # apt-get install diff => "Note, selecting busybox instead of diff." "busybox is already the newest version." and then: # diff => -sh: diff: not foun |
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| 15:05.30 | andre__ | marcusb, bug 3032 |
| 15:05.33 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032 missing diff utility (required by the GNU Coding Standards) |
| 15:05.34 | marcusb | ok |
| 15:05.36 | marcusb | thanks |
| 15:05.47 | mgedmin | oh, cool |
| 15:05.51 | mgedmin | avahi-daemon also needs that |
| 15:07.05 | hrw | marcusb: thats nokism |
| 15:07.08 | mgedmin | andre__, are you the one to ask about creating a bugzilla product for avahi in the Maemo Extras category? |
| 15:07.50 | andre__ | mgedmin, yes, by email: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products |
| 15:07.55 | mgedmin | thanks! |
| 15:08.01 | andre__ | and bare with me as I just got back from vacation. long backlog :-/ |
| 15:08.05 | andre__ | err bear |
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| 15:10.39 | gouverneur | can anyone help me with sending an sms via cli? |
| 15:11.04 | gouverneur | is there a telepathy interface or something? |
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| 15:11.57 | gouverneur | looking in to opt it looks like noone ever follows a guidline (dont know if there is one) |
| 15:12.38 | marcusb | geez, they can't fix this diff thing in 2 years? *grmbl* |
| 15:13.57 | mgedmin | feels no hurry |
| 15:14.07 | ShadowJK | battery meter is pretty confused by the mugen battery, even after a discharge-charge cycle.. |
| 15:15.25 | corecode_ | how long does it last now? |
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| 15:21.06 | ShadowJK | wow, nexus 1 screen res is "fake" |
| 15:21.10 | ShadowJK | olpc-like |
| 15:21.47 | Corsac | ? |
| 15:21.49 | andrewfblack | I just found my new work phone, where I work we only have access to iDEN network so I have always been stuck with really crappy phones. I just saw the Motorola i1 and even though it wont be replacing my N900 as my primary phone its the best iden phone I have ever seen |
| 15:22.18 | nidO | Corsac essentially the phone doesnt fully utilise the display's supported resolution |
| 15:22.33 | Corsac | sounds like fail |
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| 15:24.27 | microlith | well no |
| 15:24.56 | microlith | it does use the display's supported resolution, the display simply isn't RGB on every pixel |
| 15:25.50 | ShadowJK | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/ |
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| 15:25.55 | MohammadAG | how long does an invitation into extras-devel take? |
| 15:26.19 | ShadowJK | As far as I understand it, it's only 800x480 for green pixels :) |
| 15:26.35 | microlith | pretty much |
| 15:26.40 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: Pretty quick during the week, but weekends are slow, did mine sat morning, got it accepted mon morning |
| 15:27.02 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, oh, so maybe I should stop refreshing my email account :) |
| 15:27.04 | noobmonk3y | done manually |
| 15:27.09 | noobmonk3y | yup ;) |
| 15:27.12 | MohammadAG | yeah I know lol |
| 15:28.57 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, so I just upload the three files and the autobuilder does the rest? |
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| 15:29.52 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8443&stc=1&d=1269617198 |
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| 15:32.33 | MohammadAG | rebooting into linux |
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| 15:36.13 | noobmonk3y | wb |
| 15:36.36 | noobmonk3y | and yes MohammadAG - yes you upload one(Changes file) - it checks and then asks you to upload the other two,.... |
| 15:38.26 | Gizmokid2005 | alright, I feel like an idiot, but I can't find this video, or figure out the name of the feature. In Firefox you can swipe right/left to bring up the menus on those sides, (tabs, etc), and I know there's a way to do it in Qt...but I can't think of the name or find the video that showcases this feature....Help??? |
| 15:38.35 | MohammadAG | ty noobmonk3y :) |
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| 15:47.01 | Arif_ | moo |
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| 15:54.40 | Guest91702 | silahkan masuk Guest91702 silahkan chit-chat dimari.. |
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| 15:54.56 | Guest91702 | silahkan masuk evo silahkan chit-chat dimari.. |
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| 15:56.15 | Guest91702 | silahkan masuk vpoluceno silahkan chit-chat dimari.. |
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| 15:57.27 | wazd_e63 | For those who cares: we're near the monument :) |
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| 15:59.47 | ptl | which monument? |
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| 16:04.40 | Myrtti | ptl: cheesecake |
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| 16:07.53 | FIQ | hm, a question |
| 16:08.03 | FIQ | the opt-thing-idea |
| 16:08.06 | FIQ | why have that? |
| 16:10.28 | rexjack | just one questin how do i restart the musik search in mediaplayer |
| 16:10.36 | aquatix | Myrtti: the cake is a lie |
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| 16:15.29 | corecode_ | what's the dimensions of the backdrop? |
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| 16:18.17 | corecode_ | oh |
| 16:18.26 | corecode_ | i need to cut the image? |
| 16:18.28 | corecode_ | hm |
| 16:20.24 | AntiXpucT | http://antixpuct.ru/maemo/opt/ |
| 16:20.31 | AntiXpucT | it is kvirc for N900 |
| 16:20.34 | ptl | wow |
| 16:20.36 | ptl | really? |
| 16:20.38 | ptl | lemme see |
| 16:21.03 | AntiXpucT | but it is not fully usable |
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| 16:23.07 | MohammadAG | konttori, ping |
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| 16:24.52 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 16:25.05 | ptl | AntiXpucT: why not? what's the problem/ |
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| 16:25.18 | gouverneur | rexjack: search maemo for trackerd |
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| 16:25.23 | aoeu | hello! |
| 16:25.46 | Myrtti | FIQ: you mean optifying? |
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| 16:25.52 | aoeu | is there a package for the n900 that includes the 'screen' utility? |
| 16:26.10 | FIQ | yes |
| 16:26.31 | FIQ | btw, why cannot we install .deb packages not coming from a repo? |
| 16:26.31 | AntiXpucT | ptl, widgets size ;) |
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| 16:26.53 | greenfly | you can (if they are compiled for ARM) but you have to be careful to not fill up the / partition |
| 16:27.14 | greenfly | also there might be dependencies that you have to pull down manually |
| 16:27.22 | noobmonk3y | screen utility? |
| 16:27.24 | Flandry | Are there instructions somewhere for updating the SDK? |
| 16:27.27 | greenfly | having packages in repositories solves this as the dependencies are handled |
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| 16:27.36 | FIQ | yes |
| 16:27.52 | FIQ | so KVirc isn't optified? |
| 16:27.58 | b0unc3 | I just upgraded my SDK and now when I copy the bin on my device I get a dependencies problem with libhildon1 ,I think this issue is related with the upgrade, is there any way to fix ? |
| 16:27.59 | greenfly | dunno |
| 16:28.04 | nidO | it may or may not be |
| 16:28.11 | aoeu | noobmonk3y: yes. http://linux.die.net/man/1/screen |
| 16:28.13 | greenfly | I've been running irssi from a remote screen session for irc for years |
| 16:28.33 | Myrtti | FIQ: the optify thing is because the / is quite small partition and you end up filling it unless you install software to other partitions. Filling the / is in general A Bad Idea⢠as you prolly know |
| 16:28.46 | FIQ | yes |
| 16:28.48 | FIQ | but |
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| 16:28.56 | MohammadAG | why is there a New MMS string rtcom-messaging-ui.mo |
| 16:28.58 | FIQ | then we come to the next thing: |
| 16:29.04 | MohammadAG | +in* |
| 16:29.15 | FIQ | why having a root partition even smaller than the swap? |
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| 16:29.33 | nidO | limitation of the size of nand memory chips |
| 16:29.38 | achipa | FIQ: hardware limit |
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| 16:29.54 | FIQ | ok |
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| 16:30.19 | FIQ | but i would happily spend 10GB of MyDocs to the rootfs (if that would be possible) |
| 16:30.29 | ptl | aoeu: screen is available in the tools repository |
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| 16:30.33 | MohammadAG | it should be |
| 16:30.35 | nidO | technically it might be possible by repartitioning |
| 16:30.37 | noobmonk3y | cheers aoeu - interesting :D |
| 16:30.37 | ptl | aoeu: I have it installed and it works perfectly |
| 16:30.43 | nidO | but youll end up with a device that takes like 5 minutes to boot |
| 16:30.50 | noobmonk3y | Arif_: You are quiet, this is not normal? ;) |
| 16:30.55 | FIQ | meh |
| 16:30.56 | FIQ | ok |
| 16:31.08 | greenfly | there /has/ to be a rootfs / opt faq we can point people to |
| 16:31.10 | nidO | nand = much much much faster than emmc |
| 16:31.15 | greenfly | this question comes up every day |
| 16:31.24 | nidO | its in about 50 places in the wiki |
| 16:31.28 | nidO | and like 5,000 on the forums |
| 16:31.32 | greenfly | that's the problem |
| 16:31.33 | ptl | there is, greenfly |
| 16:31.40 | Flandry | http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem |
| 16:31.41 | greenfly | ptl: then let's use it :) |
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| 16:32.21 | Flandry | Great, now could someone point me to the wiki entry on updating SDK? :P |
| 16:32.42 | nidO | its just apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:32.44 | nidO | as fakeroot |
| 16:32.49 | Flandry | I really borked it when i tried apt-get before :/ |
| 16:32.54 | MohammadAG | Flandry, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:32.57 | MohammadAG | it doesn't need a wiki |
| 16:33.00 | MohammadAG | nidO, beat me to it |
| 16:33.16 | MohammadAG | Flandry, that borks the N900, not the SDK |
| 16:33.17 | Flandry | do you have to disable any repos |
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| 16:33.33 | aoeu | ptl: much appreciated |
| 16:33.35 | Flandry | I'm speaking past tense from experience lol |
| 16:33.48 | Flandry | I'll try on the new image |
| 16:33.54 | Flandry | Just wanted to verify |
| 16:34.09 | MohammadAG | Flandry, I had all repos enabled |
| 16:34.20 | Flandry | ok thanks |
| 16:34.31 | Flandry | Read the changes thread, thanks for that |
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| 16:34.59 | MohammadAG | Flandry, np :) |
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| 16:35.29 | Flandry | oh |
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| 16:35.49 | Flandry | does it need to be done in both targets separately? |
| 16:35.49 | aoeu | noobmonk3y: welcome to the dark side :) |
| 16:35.49 | MohammadAG | I repeat, why is there a new MMS string? |
| 16:36.25 | corecode_ | so what do i use to download a file from http? |
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| 16:36.31 | corecode_ | for scripting purposes |
| 16:36.34 | corecode_ | wget doesn't exist |
| 16:36.35 | Flandry | wget |
| 16:36.39 | Flandry | depend on it |
| 16:38.13 | MohammadAG | Flandry, depends on what you want to do |
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| 16:38.32 | MohammadAG | if it's for programming, yes, if it's for emulation of the UI, X86 |
| 16:38.35 | Flandry | ok, so yes for release |
| 16:39.28 | ptl | Flandry: I updated my maemo5 sdk ok, but I have some repositories on it that sometimes fail and it won't proceed if apt return an error. |
| 16:39.41 | ptl | Flandry: so to run the maemo5 gui I had to disable these repositories |
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| 16:40.00 | ptl | Flandry: but the procedure is just that - you run the gui installer for the maemo5 sdk and all goes well |
| 16:40.01 | noobmonk3y | grins slightly evil'y |
| 16:40.09 | nidO | so how was butlins |
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| 16:40.34 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: New MMS String - as in MMS - as in frals? - possibly something to do with nokia assisting Frals? |
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| 16:41.12 | marcusb | anybody has native packages for libgles2-sgx-img-dev and opengles-sgx-img-common-dev? I want a native libqt4-dev |
| 16:41.13 | b0unc3 | guys, anyone get problems using .debs created after the SDK update ? |
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| 16:48.07 | dotblank | Is there a way to use gpsd? |
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| 16:53.36 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, wouldn't he have said something about it? And I really doubt it since it doesn't follow MMS specs |
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| 16:55.07 | nidO | who knows, nokia on the way to adding it themselves maybe |
| 16:55.21 | ptl | is there an easy way to use gpsd on your ubuntu and connecting to the GPS on the N900? |
| 16:55.45 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: If it is something to do with pr1.2 he would not be allowed to talk about it |
| 16:56.09 | marcusb | is there a calendar app supporting caldavd? |
| 16:56.11 | noobmonk3y | there must be a reason it is not there, and in my head if they are not officially creating it, it must be there to support it |
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| 16:57.11 | noobmonk3y | marcusb: dont think so, but no calendar expert |
| 16:57.17 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, live wallpapers were talked about :) |
| 16:57.28 | noobmonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=22831 |
| 16:57.45 | noobmonk3y | hmm true somethings have been mentioned, but i'm very certain other things have been kept hush hush :D |
| 16:57.54 | petteri | ahh... does live wallpapers work with new sdk |
| 16:58.21 | MohammadAG | petteri, I already pinged konttori, he doesn't seem to be ponging, so I'm assuming he's away |
| 16:58.47 | noobmonk3y | plays ping pong then goes home ;) |
| 16:58.48 | noobmonk3y | ciao alls |
| 16:59.09 | nidO | later |
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| 17:02.06 | dotblank | what repo is bluez-utils-test in? |
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| 17:13.32 | mgedmin | dotblank, try searching on http://maemo.org/packages |
| 17:14.28 | MohammadAG | wonders why qwerty12 never comes on here anymore :( |
| 17:14.50 | Corsac | hmhm, still no news of PR1.2? |
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| 17:15.05 | dotblank | What exactly is the purpose of minigpsd? |
| 17:15.26 | dotblank | does it actually use the gps device? or does it connect to an external one |
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| 17:18.03 | naxxatoe|mbp | dotblank: i wondered the same |
| 17:18.55 | dotblank | Because im trying to use aircrack-ng with it and it has an option to use gpsd |
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| 17:20.50 | dotblank | maybe I can modify the source of airodump-ng to add support for liblocation API |
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| 17:28.29 | ptl | does GPSd allow remote forwarding of GPS data? |
| 17:29.19 | dotblank | I think so but I can't seem to find a wrapper for gpsd in maemo |
| 17:29.32 | dotblank | its been replaced by liblocation |
| 17:30.34 | ptl | there's minigpsd for it |
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| 17:30.36 | ptl | would it work? |
| 17:30.37 | ptl | hmm |
| 17:30.48 | ptl | liblocation reserves the GPS and doesn't allow it to be used? |
| 17:31.48 | gouverneur | b0unc3: have you thought of that devices are still !=PR1.2 before you asked that question? |
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| 17:39.09 | TheOne | hi @all |
| 17:39.17 | aziwoqpd | hi @one |
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| 17:40.06 | TheOne | my new n900 will be deliver tomorrow |
| 17:40.20 | TheOne | is there a tutorial with first steps? |
| 17:40.54 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, just got the invitation :) |
| 17:41.03 | MohammadAG | TheOne, there's a Get started app installed |
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| 17:41.15 | Lumpio- | Put battery in, push button. |
| 17:41.16 | TheOne | ah cool |
| 17:41.16 | MohammadAG | and there are hundreds of videos on youtube |
| 17:41.45 | b0unc3 | gouverneur, yes, but so, if I release a deb (builded with pr1.2, since also autobuilder is updated to 1.2) nobody would be able to test it ? |
| 17:41.46 | disco_stu | me eclipso.. hasta lueguines |
| 17:43.13 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, yay |
| 17:43.26 | TheOne | i am really happy - can't wait to get that device in my fingers ^^ |
| 17:43.34 | ptl | TheOne: there's a quickstart guide with it, but if you really want a manual, you can download the (excellent) manual in PDF format from the Nokia site |
| 17:43.50 | TheOne | ah okay, thx |
| 17:44.30 | TheOne | some of you guys involved with MeeGo? |
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| 17:45.36 | Khertan | hi ! |
| 17:45.57 | ptl | hello again |
| 17:46.09 | ptl | TheOne: join #meego |
| 17:51.10 | Khertan | does there is a dvorak keyboard layout available ? |
| 17:52.28 | hrw | hi |
| 17:52.36 | hrw | Khertan: ukeyboard had one iirc |
| 17:52.59 | hrw | b0unc3: exactly |
| 17:53.14 | Khertan | hi hrw and thx ... i ll take a look at it |
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| 17:56.48 | TheOne | can someone tell me how much internet traffic volume he/she has with the n900 per month? |
| 17:56.57 | TheOne | circa |
| 17:57.10 | TheOne | more than 1GB ? |
| 17:58.53 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, does autobuilder build applications for both i368 and armel? |
| 17:59.13 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, yup think so |
| 17:59.25 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:59.31 | Noobmonk3y | armel always takes longer |
| 18:00.05 | lcuk | finds a quiet little patch in the corner and curls up to go to sleep |
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| 18:00.13 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 18:00.16 | Noobmonk3y | evening |
| 18:00.39 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, me thinks u will like the next healthcheck :) |
| 18:01.04 | Khertan | hrw: ukeyboard is only a virtual keyboard not for mapping the n900 keyboard, isn t it ? |
| 18:01.11 | lcuk | does it check blood pressure and administer amphetamines? |
| 18:01.20 | hrw | Khertan: in n810 times it was both |
| 18:01.33 | lcuk | oh, and prescribe those little matchsticks for eyes |
| 18:01.54 | Khertan | bacon flying to verify lcd dead pixels ? |
| 18:02.02 | dmj726_n9001 | TheOne: it varies hugely from user to user. |
| 18:02.08 | lcuk | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm bacon |
| 18:02.16 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 18:02.18 | lcuk | thanks Khertan for reminding me of the finer things in life |
| 18:02.26 | dmj726_n9001 | some use a couple hundred mb some use several gb |
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| 18:02.29 | Khertan | hrw: maybe that description isn't clear enought |
| 18:02.51 | Khertan | lcu: héhé |
| 18:02.56 | Khertan | lcuk: héhé |
| 18:03.20 | TheOne | dmj726_n9001: i know, but i though someone can tell me some numbers |
| 18:03.43 | Khertan | arg cannot be install package missing :( |
| 18:04.35 | dmj726_n9001 | I think there is a thread in the forums. |
| 18:05.27 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, cause it built the i368 and it's getting pushed to extras-devel, but I haven't received anything about the armel version |
| 18:05.47 | Noobmonk3y | takes an hour at best recently a few more |
| 18:09.14 | summel | can i install maemo on a touchbook? |
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| 18:09.52 | cehteh | mer at best |
| 18:09.57 | Noobmonk3y | well u can get it on an ipad so why not |
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| 18:10.36 | summel | ewww ipad |
| 18:10.49 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
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| 18:12.17 | nidO | summel it's already known to run mer |
| 18:12.30 | summel | how does mer compare to the maemo on trhe n900? |
| 18:12.37 | nidO | maemo support is apparently on the way |
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| 18:12.50 | nidO | and knowing AI, theyll probably find a way to manage it pretty well |
| 18:12.57 | summel | i would use meego if it would be better then moblin |
| 18:13.35 | cehteh | well you cant install nokia binaries on another device, the eula forbids that |
| 18:13.36 | nidO | I dont really know why you'd want either mer or maemo on a touchbook other than to say "oh look it works" |
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| 18:14.04 | summel | nidO: because i love the maemo on the n900 :) |
| 18:14.10 | summel | and i dont want the ai "os" |
| 18:14.33 | nidO | thats because its on an n900. on a full touchbook, the main choices, ai os, ubuntu, and love it or hate it, android, are all much better choices |
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| 18:15.26 | summel | i would rather use gentoo with kde4 then anything else currently availeable :P |
| 18:15.40 | nidO | gentoo works on it as well |
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| 18:15.57 | summel | but compiling takes sooo long :( |
| 18:16.03 | summel | esp on 600 MhZ >_> |
| 18:16.36 | lcuk | how on earth did people cope in days before 600mhz processors? |
| 18:16.50 | lcuk | i remember building apps and stuff on 7mhz amiga in c |
| 18:17.29 | hrw | lcuk: I used AmigaE |
| 18:17.45 | luke-jr | summel: meh, works for me on N810 |
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| 18:18.09 | luke-jr | lcuk: code was less abstracted |
| 18:18.19 | luke-jr | and compiled faster |
| 18:18.23 | lcuk | abstraction should make code faster |
| 18:18.30 | lcuk | its not like functions are a new thing |
| 18:18.36 | luke-jr | abstraction just makes everything slower |
| 18:18.44 | luke-jr | I don't mean functions |
| 18:18.55 | luke-jr | I mean interfaces independent from implementation |
| 18:21.06 | lcuk | luke-jr, ? |
| 18:21.12 | lcuk | you mean like pascal :D |
| 18:21.20 | luke-jr | ... |
| 18:21.26 | luke-jr | I mean APIs ;) |
| 18:21.42 | luke-jr | forward/backward compat |
| 18:22.03 | luke-jr | also, I think compilers are a bit faster if you use -O0 |
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| 18:26.23 | tg | hoi |
| 18:27.14 | tg | anyone knows what's the current status of qt perl bindings? |
| 18:27.24 | tg | i've just seen it listed as a gsoc project idea |
| 18:28.44 | luke-jr | probably non-existent |
| 18:28.53 | MiXu- | I don't see why anyone would want to write qt apps in perl =) |
| 18:29.26 | MiXu- | When there's Python |
| 18:30.31 | SpeedEvil | wonders on qt-awk |
| 18:31.19 | t-tan | if you want perl code, just run the python code through an obfuscator :) |
| 18:34.45 | luke-jr | MiXu-: because Python sucks? |
| 18:35.14 | MiXu- | And Perl doesn't? :) |
| 18:35.22 | MiXu- | Ã've done my share of perl |
| 18:35.28 | luke-jr | Perl is awesome |
| 18:35.38 | luke-jr | but not meant for GUIs, I admit |
| 18:35.44 | MiXu- | Perl is awesome to a point |
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| 18:36.31 | MiXu- | But when you get to a point where you're dealing with thousands of lines of code it stops being cool. |
| 18:36.51 | MiXu- | For small stuff it's very useful |
| 18:37.36 | Kurppa_ | Hi everybody. Maemo newbie here. :-) |
| 18:37.46 | MiXu- | Hi Kurppa. Long time no see. |
| 18:38.33 | Kurppa_ | Oh hi. I remember you :-) |
| 18:38.44 | MiXu- | :D |
| 18:38.48 | luke-jr | finds Perl especially useful for writing compilers |
| 18:39.04 | Arif_ | ~rob Noobmonk3y |
| 18:39.04 | infobot | ACTION strips Noobmonk3y of his nick, title and all rights & privileges and gives them to someone more worthy |
| 18:39.12 | Noobmonk3y | farts |
| 18:39.20 | Arif_ | I waz outside :O |
| 18:39.27 | lcuk | bottles it and releases it back up Noobmonk3y |
| 18:40.24 | Venomrush | just updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 |
| 18:40.28 | red | can't believe i didnt need this earlier |
| 18:40.42 | red | but how on earth do you create a custom group in contacts and apply a different ringtone for those? |
| 18:40.44 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, one more question, when I have an updated package I just upload it again and it puts it in the same directory right? |
| 18:40.56 | Arif_ | Venomrush, so pr1.2 is out? |
| 18:41.06 | Venomrush | more BUGS RESOLVED added |
| 18:41.14 | Arif_ | oh |
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| 18:41.16 | Venomrush | no :\ |
| 18:41.18 | Arif_ | nm then :( |
| 18:41.19 | Venomrush | i didn't say that |
| 18:41.22 | hrw | Venomrush: I do not like your way of fixing bugs |
| 18:41.36 | Venomrush | i don't fix bugs.. |
| 18:41.40 | hrw | bug 6933 for example |
| 18:41.41 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong |
| 18:42.22 | Arif_ | # 7124 media player loses cover art if song changes while screen is locked |
| 18:42.22 | Arif_ | # eo |
| 18:42.22 | Arif_ | # 7353 RDS station name should not contain album (esp. when its unknown) |
| 18:42.23 | red | how important is the full battery before flashing btw? |
| 18:42.24 | Arif_ | huh? |
| 18:42.26 | Venomrush | i wasn't able to reproduce it on my end |
| 18:42.32 | Venomrush | with my N97 |
| 18:42.33 | Venomrush | so |
| 18:42.44 | Arif_ | whats the eo in there? |
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| 18:43.18 | Venomrush | it got truncated |
| 18:43.39 | Arif_ | what was it originally I wonder.. |
| 18:43.41 | hrw | Venomrush: now try to reproduce it again with test event |
| 18:43.50 | Venomrush | then feel free to reopen :) |
| 18:43.58 | hrw | Venomrush: this time I gave nearly 5 years for nokia to fix it |
| 18:44.03 | hrw | Venomrush: it is reopened and confirmed |
| 18:44.09 | Venomrush | cool |
| 18:44.28 | GAN900 | Ah, nice post from achipa. |
| 18:44.29 | Venomrush | think i got most of the stuff from http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Changelog_3.2010.02-8_vs_10.2010.09-3.txt into the PR1.2 wiki |
| 18:45.04 | red | wtf |
| 18:45.07 | red | no contact groups |
| 18:45.15 | red | and this was labeled as a business device :) |
| 18:45.39 | hrw | Venomrush: drop list of pacakges maybe from wiki |
| 18:45.52 | hrw | Venomrush: or move them to end of page |
| 18:46.04 | hrw | Venomrush: most users are interested in new features and fixed bugs rather |
| 18:46.18 | Venomrush | from the version number |
| 18:46.27 | Venomrush | it seems pr1.2 only contain fixes up until week 9 |
| 18:46.34 | Venomrush | so that's first week of march |
| 18:47.49 | hrw | I will add new feature which rather no one found before :D |
| 18:48.59 | Venomrush | i thought pr1.2 will have live wallpaper |
| 18:49.07 | Venomrush | apparently not anymore from the sdk |
| 18:49.46 | hrw | Venomrush: try to make better descriptions in wiki page - check my last changes |
| 18:50.15 | SpeedEvil | what page is this? |
| 18:50.29 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 |
| 18:50.42 | MohammadAG | what else gets talked about other than PR1.2 :) |
| 18:50.49 | Arif_ | Moogo |
| 18:51.12 | hrw | Arif_: PeeGo? |
| 18:52.17 | Venomrush | "* Status area is now reachable in portrait mode" |
| 18:52.21 | hrw | do we want bug numbers to be links? |
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| 18:52.42 | Venomrush | there is no 'portrait mode' you may want to be specific there |
| 18:52.44 | MohammadAG | Venomrush, I noticed that, but I thought it was a bug/forced rotation, who confirmed it? |
| 18:52.45 | Arif_ | status area? |
| 18:53.03 | MohammadAG | Arif_, the thing with the clock/availability etc.. |
| 18:53.11 | hrw | Venomrush: run phone app, rotate phone |
| 18:53.17 | Arif_ | yeah, that's so useful to have in portrait mode.... |
| 18:53.20 | hrw | Venomrush: you will have portrait mode right? |
| 18:53.42 | MohammadAG | Arif_, actually, it is |
| 18:53.42 | hrw | and in PR1.2 you will be able to use status area |
| 18:53.47 | Venomrush | "* Status area is now reachable in portrait mode" - this makes it sound phone support full portrait mode |
| 18:53.58 | Venomrush | *sounds like |
| 18:54.08 | Venomrush | change it to phont/browser specific |
| 18:54.11 | Venomrush | *phone |
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| 18:54.26 | MohammadAG | Venomrush, many apps have portrait support, not just phone/browser |
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| 18:55.14 | Venomrush | the 'official' :p |
| 18:56.15 | zaheerm | blocks :) |
| 18:56.23 | Arif_ | wonders if other official apps will ever get portrait |
| 18:56.25 | hrw | Venomrush: any app can be in portrait mode if is programmed properly |
| 18:56.32 | hrw | Arif_: doubt so |
| 18:56.50 | Arif_ | mhh |
| 18:56.57 | nidO | srsly why would they bother |
| 18:56.58 | Arif_ | I'll buy a Moogo device then :D |
| 18:57.06 | Arif_ | one with real speakers! |
| 18:57.19 | zaheerm | i doubt they are going to spend the time doing the whole lifecycle UI design -> code to get portrait support for apps on maemo 5 |
| 18:57.39 | SpeedEvil | !bug 7160 |
| 18:57.40 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7160 Camera app hardcodes and requires FAT partition |
| 18:57.42 | zaheerm | harmattan will no doubt be where they put effort into getting good portrait uis for apps |
| 18:57.53 | MohammadAG | <Arif_> one with real speakers! |
| 18:58.06 | MohammadAG | I think the EU doesn't allow 5800-like speakers |
| 18:58.19 | MohammadAG | the same EU that forced us to use microUSBs for charging |
| 18:58.20 | Arif_ | they don't have a regulation about speakers |
| 18:58.27 | Arif_ | only headphones |
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| 18:59.08 | TheOne | is there a key list for the channel bot? |
| 18:59.14 | MohammadAG | when a package is built, does it automatically get bumped to the latest version? |
| 19:00.13 | TheOne | for the infobot |
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| 19:00.47 | hrw | ok, updated page a bit and reformatted |
| 19:01.02 | hrw | bye |
| 19:01.08 | hrw|gone | have a nice rest of day and weekend |
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| 19:02.20 | lcuk | hides behind Noobmonk3y |
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| 19:03.09 | Arif_ | yawns at PR1.2 |
| 19:04.24 | MohammadAG | hits Arif_ |
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| 19:04.38 | Arif_ | throws search in media palyer at MohammadAG |
| 19:04.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr ""filemanager is now able to share *ANY* file...""??? |
| 19:04.53 | nidO | hates stupid users |
| 19:05.03 | nidO | any file that it can access yes |
| 19:05.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 19:06.01 | Venomrush | still can't see the extensions |
| 19:06.04 | Venomrush | annoying |
| 19:06.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | so this wording implies a major flaw been fixed while in fact shit remains the same |
| 19:06.30 | nidO | ? |
| 19:06.34 | Venomrush | it's not a proper file manager to me without this |
| 19:06.42 | Venomrush | and changing extensions.. |
| 19:07.01 | Venomrush | could be a settings like windows explorer to show extensions as an advanced option |
| 19:07.21 | nidO | have you tried gpe to see if that shows extensions? |
| 19:07.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | WHF has none if the Nokia devel took a look at his TBP, to get inspiration from finder's "go to" function? |
| 19:07.44 | nidO | in fact, gpe does show extensions |
| 19:07.52 | lcuk | OMG WTF BBQ? |
| 19:08.29 | MohammadAG | Venomrush, well they tried to make it easier and less risky for users to toy with their systems |
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| 19:08.38 | MohammadAG | suppose the filemanager showed / |
| 19:09.13 | MohammadAG | "I found a directory called /usr that contained a ****load files so I deleted it and my N900 doesn't boot up. HELP!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!! \ |
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| 19:09.24 | MohammadAG | I'm disappointed in Nokia with the crap N900" |
| 19:10.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: you know how cute finder handles this? |
| 19:10.48 | joppu | Delete your system32 to make your computer run faster |
| 19:11.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: btw user should lack perms to delete system stuff |
| 19:11.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, knowing nokia, the user would have perms on PR1.0 :p |
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| 19:11.28 | noobmonk3y | waves |
| 19:11.35 | MohammadAG | joppu, just delete the whole windows directory |
| 19:11.44 | noobmonk3y | anyone fancy asking what should be a simple python question for me? |
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| 19:11.58 | nidO | asking it or answering it? |
| 19:12.04 | noobmonk3y | answering lol |
| 19:12.05 | MohammadAG | seems like asking |
| 19:12.13 | noobmonk3y | self.textBrowser.setText ("text") .... sets the text in a textbrowser.... |
| 19:12.29 | noobmonk3y | if i want to add loads of text.... how do i append, so not to create one huuuge line |
| 19:12.32 | C-S-B-N900 | woohoo. maemo just had fit with gpodder. |
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| 19:12.40 | noobmonk3y | lol C-S-B-N900 |
| 19:12.46 | MohammadAG | has no idea what that means |
| 19:12.56 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, could be \? |
| 19:13.07 | noobmonk3y | erm, i get the new line part |
| 19:13.15 | MohammadAG | like in terminal |
| 19:13.15 | andrewfblack_ | would it be wrong to charge people to build their themes for them if they are to lazy to learn to do it them selfs? |
| 19:13.19 | noobmonk3y | but thinking more of splitting the line in the coed? |
| 19:13.27 | noobmonk3y | code* |
| 19:13.31 | lizardo | noobmonk3y: "your " + "long" + "text" , or put it on some file and use open("file").read() |
| 19:13.35 | Arif_ | waits for "share" in media player and falls asleep |
| 19:13.36 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack_, imo, no, since they can build it alone |
| 19:13.37 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, coed? |
| 19:13.42 | noobmonk3y | ooo lizardo - good idea |
| 19:13.44 | noobmonk3y | code* |
| 19:13.48 | noobmonk3y | lcuk - I r Ill |
| 19:13.54 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack_, basically, xchat do it, Windows version is paid, linux one isn't (and it's open source) |
| 19:13.55 | noobmonk3y | and can't type but thats usual |
| 19:13.58 | lcuk | i am tired |
| 19:13.59 | MohammadAG | does* |
| 19:14.07 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:14.09 | noobmonk3y | lcuk - thats cos u dont sleep |
| 19:14.09 | lcuk | Milhouse, :D |
| 19:14.14 | lcuk | i cant type either |
| 19:14.15 | andrewfblack_ | MohammadAG: thas true |
| 19:14.25 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, i sleep occasionally |
| 19:14.35 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack_, do I get half the income for saying yes? :P |
| 19:15.05 | andrewfblack_ | MohammadAG: lol I don't know if I'll do it but I should lol |
| 19:15.27 | lcuk | considers investing in cloning companies |
| 19:15.27 | andrewfblack_ | AndrewFBlack's Theme Build Service lol |
| 19:15.32 | lcuk | but i need money first |
| 19:16.33 | Arif_ | what company would you clone |
| 19:16.48 | lcuk | i would clone myself |
| 19:16.55 | lcuk | so one of me can sleep |
| 19:16.56 | noobmonk3y | eeeeeeks |
| 19:16.58 | lcuk | whilst the other does job |
| 19:17.03 | lcuk | and another can work on liqbase |
| 19:17.05 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack_, if you've got the time why not |
| 19:17.06 | noobmonk3y | takeway - lol ordered it an hour ago, better go get it! |
| 19:17.23 | MohammadAG | andrewfblack_, but I can imagine someone doing it for free just to make your service look bad :p |
| 19:17.54 | andrewfblack_ | MohammadAG: the effect will still be the same |
| 19:18.08 | FIQ | uhm |
| 19:18.38 | andrewfblack_ | has been temped to do some paid themes but is to nice |
| 19:18.57 | FIQ | ok, rhe sms/calling features isn't the most interesting thing in the phone, but it really should be a "Respond" button somewhere at a SMS |
| 19:19.59 | TheOne | bye |
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| 19:20.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, 4h of UMTS seriously drained my bat to some 40% |
| 19:20.37 | lcuk | AndrewFBlack, done cleanly with a decent set of correctly sourced materials i dont think anyone would complain at you :) |
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| 19:20.55 | lcuk | your themes kick ass |
| 19:21.02 | MohammadAG | anyway to uninstall something that was installed from a setup.py file? |
| 19:21.34 | MohammadAG | FIQ, huh? |
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| 19:21.47 | MohammadAG | the SMS feature is the best one I've seen on any device |
| 19:21.47 | andrewfblack_ | lcuk: You talking about my idea to charge people to build their themes or the idea about selling some themes? |
| 19:23.07 | lcuk | mm both |
| 19:23.24 | lcuk | soryr i got distracted looking at laughingstok's photo album |
| 19:23.58 | FIQ | the sms |
| 19:24.06 | FIQ | watching an incoming sms |
| 19:24.14 | FIQ | missing "respond" button |
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| 19:24.29 | FIQ | only delete, copy, forward |
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| 19:27.55 | C-S-B-N900 | any reason lirc doesnt start automatically? |
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| 19:28.21 | MohammadAG | what's /dev/pts? |
| 19:29.04 | MohammadAG | FIQ, err, why do you click on the SMS in the conversation? |
| 19:29.21 | MohammadAG | just type in the white box and click the send (enter) button |
| 19:29.25 | FIQ | i didn't? |
| 19:29.28 | FIQ | uhm |
| 19:29.35 | FIQ | ok, maaaybe i did. :P |
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| 19:31.01 | lcuk | are there any v4l2 examples which people have tested to work with n900 |
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| 19:35.24 | dottedmag | Is there ssh-agent and askpass dialog for Maemo? |
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| 19:37.10 | MohammadAG | any tmo mods online? |
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| 19:41.36 | cehteh | tmo mods? |
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| 19:47.01 | MohammdAG_ | noobmonk3y, err, bugtrackers aren't auto created? |
| 19:47.35 | ptl | <question type="newbie" flavor="troll">Why doesn't maemo support MMS? Why doesn't it have videocall? How about voice guide GPS? When is PR1.2 out? Why doesn't it have a capacitive screen? Why no multitouch? Couldn't it be thinner? How can I assign a ringtone to a contact? How do I do Skype video? How do I run java programs?</question> |
| 19:47.40 | ptl | Did I leave something out? |
| 19:48.21 | |R | troll are very creative, so something is always left out :P |
| 19:48.24 | Kurppa_ | Why does the battery last so short time? |
| 19:48.30 | ptl | Maybe we could do a poll, what's your preferred newbie question? |
| 19:48.34 | ptl | yes, good |
| 19:48.38 | MohammdAG_ | ptl, can we upload porn made on the N900 on tmo? |
| 19:48.47 | Kurppa_ | Why is the UI so slow? |
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| 19:48.55 | Kurppa_ | Why does it leak so much memory? |
| 19:49.04 | Kurppa_ | Why is it so fat? |
| 19:49.05 | MohammdAG_ | why is the N900 called the N900? Why not N850? |
| 19:49.11 | ptl | leak memory? That does not seem like a newbie question |
| 19:49.21 | ptl | lol |
| 19:49.25 | Kurppa_ | Ah, sorry. |
| 19:49.47 | odin_ | Why does my (Symbian / iPhone / Andriod) application not work on it ? |
| 19:49.51 | ptl | that's ok, we just change the type to "averagely informed user" |
| 19:50.28 | Funnyfacemob | probably because they found the GSM/UMTS capabilities significant enough to name it that way |
| 19:50.48 | odin_ | Why does it break when I drop it on the floor ? |
| 19:50.53 | Funnyfacemob | but well model numbers never make any sense anyway |
| 19:51.04 | Funnyfacemob | it's a sales gimmick |
| 19:51.17 | Kurppa_ | Why can't I see the display on sunny weather? |
| 19:51.17 | andrewfblack_ | MohammdAG_: No on the Porn |
| 19:51.17 | andrewfblack_ | < TMO Mod |
| 19:51.37 | ptl | Ok |
| 19:51.42 | Kurppa_ | Why is youtube so slow :( |
| 19:51.46 | ptl | Is there any way for me to post a poll on talk.maemo.org? |
| 19:51.47 | MohammdAG_ | andrewfblack_, just making fun of the thread on TMO ;) |
| 19:51.48 | Funnyfacemob | my nokia 5200 and 6300 are exactly the same devices |
| 19:51.51 | ptl | so that I can post this |
| 19:51.59 | ptl | I'm looking some way to do it. |
| 19:52.10 | MohammdAG_ | andrewfblack_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48336 |
| 19:52.11 | odin_ | Why isn't there going to be a Meego version for my N900 ? |
| 19:52.20 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 19:52.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:52.22 | odin_ | :P |
| 19:52.22 | Kurppa_ | Haha |
| 19:52.52 | andrewfblack_ | MohammdAG_: I was hoping lol did you notice I told him to post a photo of his wife then we would decided if he could post video or not |
| 19:53.19 | MohammdAG_ | haha yeah now I remember, thought you didn't see it ;) |
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| 19:54.16 | odin_ | Where can I get this Angry Bird expansion pack ? ... When can I get ..... ? |
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| 19:54.22 | sivang | hi all |
| 19:54.32 | sivang | how do I sync all my data from N900 to N97 Mini ? |
| 19:54.37 | MohammdAG_ | andrewfblack_, can you please change the title of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44293 [ANNOUNCE]Noor (Quran app) now in extras-devel? |
| 19:54.39 | sivang | how does that syncML thingo works ? |
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| 19:55.50 | andrewfblack_ | MohammdAG_: I only Mod Themes and Design Sections talk to edgar2, Flandry about application section |
| 19:56.11 | MohammdAG_ | I'm assuming you just pinged them? :) |
| 19:56.12 | andrewfblack_ | MohammdAG_: don't ask why we don't have global power only Tim does |
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| 19:56.37 | MohammdAG_ | andrewfblack_, I'm not haha, I mod on a PS3 site and we have the same 'limits' |
| 19:56.59 | odin_ | what was the outcome of the meego meeting the other day, unfortunately I had a late night at the data centre, maybe I should track down the recording |
| 19:57.35 | odin_ | I've been totally out of the loop on anything for the past 2 months, right about the time the announcement came |
| 19:58.09 | Arif_ | we're still waiting for an useful firmware update :P |
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| 21:36.10 | ShadowJK | and there are a ton of them |
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| 21:36.16 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer51] by ChanServ |
| 21:36.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~weather EDDN |
| 21:36.34 | ShadowJK | media player/tracker, gpodder, conversations, email... some of the things I use :) |
| 21:36.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's bitter |
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| 21:37.09 | ShadowJK | like I said earlier, deleting a file in gpodder is a 1.5 sec operation due to the database update :) |
| 21:37.22 | DrGrov | Good evening |
| 21:37.22 | odin_ | ShadowJK, but that is a software issue, for expecting "Winchester disk performance" metric, 512byte sectors, seek time, an IO queue |
| 21:37.53 | ShadowJK | It's not even writing that much, about 1600 bytes.. |
| 21:37.55 | odin_ | ShadowJK, solvable by using a journal based file format on top of a general purpose FS |
| 21:38.11 | ShadowJK | the fdatasync() takes the most time :) |
| 21:38.19 | lcuk | does it take 1..5 seconds to just delete a file? |
| 21:38.31 | lcuk | or a few |
| 21:38.40 | ShadowJK | one point five |
| 21:38.47 | odin_ | ShadowJK, I think that is one issue ext4 tried to address, but another issue is do you really need to use fdatasync() ? |
| 21:38.50 | ShadowJK | plus minus point five ;D |
| 21:38.53 | lcuk | what, every file takes 1.5s? |
| 21:39.02 | DrGrov | I managed to figure out one cool thing today |
| 21:39.04 | ShadowJK | lcuk, i think mass delete is somewhat faster |
| 21:39.13 | lcuk | im on about a specific file |
| 21:39.16 | lcuk | named |
| 21:39.46 | lcuk | or something |
| 21:39.51 | lcuk | /user/home/myanonymouspoddingapp/posts/post20100326 |
| 21:39.51 | ShadowJK | selecting 5 files for download, between tapping download and the UI responding again is like 5 seconds |
| 21:40.27 | ShadowJK | odin_, i'm glad there was fdatasync there, gpodder db survived crash :) |
| 21:40.30 | lcuk | or to rename files |
| 21:40.33 | lcuk | or something |
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| 21:41.01 | ShadowJK | lcuk, it's slow because gpodder updates its own database to remove the file |
| 21:41.09 | odin_ | ShadowJK, ah I remember now the issue with fdatasync() was block allocation on ext3 |
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| 21:41.32 | ShadowJK | odin_, i think it translates into sync() ;) |
| 21:41.36 | odin_ | ShadowJK, if a database pre-allocated new pages for data in the file, then the fdatasync() is faster since there is no requirement to find a new block to allocate |
| 21:41.42 | lcuk | of course it does shadow |
| 21:41.57 | lcuk | i wonder just whats happening |
| 21:42.05 | lcuk | cos dont most databases not fold up the space |
| 21:42.06 | iBob | Hello! |
| 21:42.12 | lcuk | when you delete records |
| 21:42.17 | odin_ | ShadowJK, this is a software design issue that can be fixed/improved by extending the file length when the system is more idle |
| 21:42.35 | DrGrov | I found some extra themes in some other repository, not any of the default ones. How can I access this repo and download the themes? |
| 21:42.41 | DrGrov | Or add it somehow into the repo list? |
| 21:43.09 | ShadowJK | odin_, ok, next issue, when downloading files from internet there's increased latency using apps ;) |
| 21:43.39 | odin_ | ShadowJK, over wireless or 3G/GSM/GPRS ? |
| 21:43.39 | ShadowJK | the page faults take longer to complete from emmc, swap is slower, etc :/ |
| 21:43.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: add the repo to HAM catalogs |
| 21:43.45 | SpeedEvil | or when the tracker runs |
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| 21:43.51 | ShadowJK | odin_, HSPA 5Mbit/s |
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| 21:43.57 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: aha, so how exactly do I know how to add it? |
| 21:44.08 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: HAM catalogs you mean in the Package Manager? |
| 21:44.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 21:44.34 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: ok, so I can manually put other repos there? Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks :) |
| 21:44.36 | odin_ | ShadowJK, when you say downloading... do you mean browsing or saving a file to eMMC ? |
| 21:44.44 | ShadowJK | saving files |
| 21:44.50 | iBob | is w51-1 (PR1.1) the latest firmware update ? |
| 21:44.59 | odin_ | ShadowJK, does the download rate exceed the eMMC max-write speed rate ? |
| 21:45.04 | ShadowJK | no |
| 21:46.21 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: so, can I then later on remove it so it doesn't interfer with the default repos? |
| 21:46.27 | iBob | and is nokia going to keep providing updates after the release meego? |
| 21:46.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: depending on how well the site is done, klicking a link on a website might suffice to add repo and install app |
| 21:46.35 | odin_ | what IO scheduler is in use in the stock kernel ? how does it manage the priority of a page-fault-in verses the download disk-write-out |
| 21:46.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: yes |
| 21:47.14 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: so I can go to that webpage as well and install from there? |
| 21:47.16 | odin_ | certainly under my scheme all writes to eMMC from the ext3 journal now on the OneNAND would be 256Kb wide, which would achieve maximum write performance ? |
| 21:47.23 | ShadowJK | CFQ |
| 21:47.30 | pwnguin | man. i really need my banshee generated playlist =( |
| 21:47.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: depends |
| 21:47.49 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: now just the problem I can't install the damn theme. Can't find it in maemo.org and the downloads section |
| 21:48.04 | odin_ | but there is still a priority allocated in the kernel paging system and IO system there may even be things to tweak on that |
| 21:49.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: hmm, I can't find it either :-P |
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| 21:50.23 | odin_ | where are you writing too ? VFAT /home/user/MyDocs ? |
| 21:50.27 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: damn! :) |
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| 21:50.51 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: nah, I will get it some other day. I have the default Nseries blue which is absolutely beautiful |
| 21:51.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn theme: not found |
| 21:51.40 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: lol |
| 21:51.48 | iBob | theres this update called maemo 5 3.2010.02-8 |
| 21:51.49 | ShadowJK | odin_, yes |
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| 21:52.03 | iBob | is this an upgrade for the OS ? |
| 21:52.56 | odin_ | of course the issue with my scheme is that it only affects ext3 performance, so VFAT is not affected.. however if I go back to my original intent for OneNAND to be a cache, there is no reason not to journal the entire eMMC over UBIFS partition but provide an specific interface for ext3 usage as well |
| 21:52.56 | iBob | i already installed Maemo 5/PR1.1 , do i need to installed this one also ? |
| 21:54.01 | odin_ | FWIW there would be no need for UBIFS compression support since that is not a goal here, mainly to nick the page write counters |
| 21:55.32 | lcuk | iBob, that update 3.2010.02-8 is a minor update to prepare for ovi store stuff afaik. |
| 21:55.42 | lcuk | its not the pr1.2 you may have heard about more recently |
| 21:55.49 | lcuk | its 1.1.1 |
| 21:56.12 | iBob | i have not heard if the pr1.2 |
| 21:56.24 | lcuk | well thats all good then :p |
| 21:56.38 | iBob | i've read some stuff that seem to hint that nokia isnt going to be providing updates |
| 21:56.47 | iBob | because of the deleopment of meego |
| 21:56.50 | lcuk | (i only mentioned it because this last week the pr1.2 sdk was released, but its not a flashable image) |
| 21:57.03 | lcuk | well :) the hints are wrong |
| 21:57.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | iBob: that's nonsense |
| 21:57.19 | iBob | great. |
| 21:57.23 | lcuk | theres fully documented lists around of the massive number of fixes and changes in the pr1.2 :) |
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| 21:57.32 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:57.34 | user_ | hiiii |
| 21:59.03 | user_ | heyy |
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| 22:00.06 | user_ | hi people |
| 22:00.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | user_: hi. Any more intelectual stuff to contribute? |
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| 22:01.23 | iBob | i keep reading stuff regarding disabling the unstable testing repos. after installing software from them |
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| 22:01.36 | iBob | its safe to keep them if i dont apt-get upgrade, right? |
| 22:02.04 | odin_ | well it makes sense to release the 1.2 SDK earlier than the N900 images, due to the breaking ABI changes for Qt |
| 22:02.04 | ShadowJK | Well they'd also give you upgrades to software you've already installed, untested upgrades :) |
| 22:02.16 | adalal | hey, anyone know how to get the gps on the n900 to transfer data over bluetooth serial? |
| 22:02.19 | ShadowJK | and it eats diskspace just to have them enabled |
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| 22:02.35 | Corsac | adalal: I think using mini-gpsd should do the trick |
| 22:02.42 | odin_ | I can only support this action, so by the time the flashable image is ready there is a change all the application space is too |
| 22:02.49 | user_ | i need an information |
| 22:02.53 | lcuk | does that happen |
| 22:02.58 | lcuk | ShadowJK, |
| 22:03.02 | lcuk | if i install app from extras |
| 22:03.06 | lcuk | then enable -devel |
| 22:03.14 | iBob | ShadowJK : i gui package manger shows all the updates but i install them one by one. |
| 22:03.17 | lcuk | and theres a newer/unstable version in -devel |
| 22:03.21 | lcuk | does it offer an upgrade? |
| 22:03.24 | user_ | do u know when can we get the PR1.2 update??? |
| 22:03.35 | iBob | the=i* |
| 22:03.50 | Corsac | user_: when it's ready is the more appropriate answer |
| 22:04.00 | iBob | user_ : when its released. |
| 22:04.15 | user_ | yes but when :( |
| 22:04.28 | adalal | Corsac: oh right |
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| 22:05.15 | iBob | user_ : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42285 |
| 22:05.20 | user_ | one more question.... a java me gui for fremantle??? |
| 22:05.57 | user_ | valid java me i mean not microemu or demos versions |
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| 22:07.49 | c-s-b-n900 | hello docscrutinizer |
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| 22:09.17 | adalal | Corsac: it has missing depencies (bluez-util-test and python2.5-gnome) |
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| 22:10.16 | Corsac | adalal: I have to admit I didn't tested it myself, it was just a random idea |
| 22:10.31 | adalal | right, can gpsd be transferred over bluetooth? |
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| 22:10.50 | ma3mo | people... one more question... will be possible to add 3g videocall features in the n900? maybe in future? what do you think boput it??? |
| 22:11.33 | Corsac | ma3mo: I think it's in PR1.2 |
| 22:11.39 | ShadowJK | I doubt it |
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| 22:12.02 | ShadowJK | I think 1.2 will have Google Talk video calls, and that'll be it :P |
| 22:12.04 | ma3mo | corsac its voip call that |
| 22:12.09 | iBob | fuck it, we dont even have such a service here , hehe |
| 22:12.33 | ma3mo | yes gtalk and more videocall plugins for these servers |
| 22:12.50 | ShadowJK | 3G anything is a big task, because 3g is almost everything that internet does, except it's all different and doesn't work on anything else or anywhere else... lots of effort and code to write from scratch |
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| 22:13.53 | iBob | i'd say they should work on getting the menus a smooth as possible |
| 22:14.11 | iBob | not as good as the iphone , but as good as possible :P |
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| 22:15.06 | ma3mo | ok..... no 3g calls... java support??? when??? |
| 22:15.09 | lbt | wonders why fremantle doesn't use ntp... |
| 22:15.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | that'd imply "good" being an absolute metric |
| 22:15.44 | ShadowJK | 3g voice calls, sure :) |
| 22:15.50 | Corsac | ShadowJK: I already tried jabber calls, and it worked fine, though video failed |
| 22:15.53 | Corsac | (on 1.1) |
| 22:15.59 | ShadowJK | I doubt anyone will do 3g video calls |
| 22:16.11 | ShadowJK | and java will probably never have a user friendly solution... |
| 22:16.18 | Corsac | ShadowJK: why not? |
| 22:16.20 | ShadowJK | that'd require giving Sun.. err... Oracle lots of money |
| 22:16.28 | ma3mo | what a shame of phone |
| 22:16.30 | Corsac | (if the carrier allows it) |
| 22:16.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ma3mo: stop trolling |
| 22:16.55 | ma3mo | i have i stuck pixel one bright spot on display |
| 22:17.03 | iBob | ma3mo : respect y |
| 22:17.05 | ShadowJK | Corsac, mostly because it's behind some 5000-page spec from the 3g consortium.. |
| 22:17.16 | iBob | yourself*! |
| 22:17.16 | Corsac | ShadowJK: eh? |
| 22:17.28 | Corsac | ShadowJK: I meant jabber video call on 3g network |
| 22:17.44 | ma3mo | sorry what isad??? |
| 22:17.48 | Corsac | ShadowJK: were you referring to something else? |
| 22:18.01 | ShadowJK | Corsac, jabber is internet |
| 22:18.06 | ShadowJK | Corsac, I was referring to 3g video calls |
| 22:18.11 | ma3mo | shame couse its a shame device |
| 22:18.18 | ma3mo | i m real not a dreamer |
| 22:18.20 | iBob | ma3mo : would you like some apple pie ? |
| 22:18.21 | Corsac | ShadowJK: 3g usually means data, and inet |
| 22:18.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ma3mo: internal QA rules of Nokia require zero pixel-error screen for N900 |
| 22:18.35 | Corsac | ShadowJK: but yeah I'm not sure we'll see operator-only video stuff |
| 22:18.40 | ShadowJK | Corsac, yes but I specifically meant 3g video calls |
| 22:18.49 | ShadowJK | not internet video calls using 3g for internet connectivity. |
| 22:18.58 | Corsac | yeah, sorry |
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| 22:20.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ma3mo: so instead of crying here you should either get a error free device, or be a little more constructive |
| 22:20.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe both |
| 22:20.54 | ma3mo | i have 1 dead pixel and one bright spot on lcd... no java... no jre... no 3g calls... no irda ftp between devices... no options to take pictures from frontal camera... this is constructive i m real i m talking about this device |
| 22:21.12 | ma3mo | ;) |
| 22:21.26 | iBob | well, i enjoy running aircrack wireshark and lighttpd on my mobile phone |
| 22:21.56 | iBob | still has some bugs? yes. do I give a fuck ? no. |
| 22:21.59 | ShadowJK | ma3mo, java, jre, 3g video calls and irda was never part of the N900 specs :) |
| 22:22.06 | ShadowJK | the n900 doesn't even have the hardware for irda |
| 22:22.13 | ma3mo | it has |
| 22:22.23 | ma3mo | it has irda port |
| 22:22.34 | Myrtti | irda? who the fuck uses irda for anything these days? apart from emulating a Logitech harmony |
| 22:22.34 | ma3mo | disassembly and have a look |
| 22:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | ma3mo: no, you're not constructive. We all *know* there's no java (or we know why you think there isn't), and we know there's no IrDA |
| 22:22.48 | ShadowJK | ma3mo, it's not irda |
| 22:22.56 | ma3mo | what is it??? |
| 22:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | so wtf should we benefit from your wining |
| 22:23.05 | ShadowJK | ma3mo, it's CIR |
| 22:23.08 | ma3mo | shad what is it |
| 22:23.15 | ma3mo | so??? |
| 22:23.22 | ShadowJK | ma3mo, if you disassemble the N900 you'll notice that it has 3 IR emitters :) |
| 22:23.25 | ShadowJK | None of them can do irda |
| 22:23.26 | ma3mo | c??? Infra Red?? |
| 22:23.38 | iBob | ma3mo has to be one of those windows mobile users! |
| 22:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | ma3mo: and no, it has NO irda port |
| 22:23.47 | ma3mo | noooo |
| 22:23.52 | ma3mo | i was symbian |
| 22:23.57 | ma3mo | wm too |
| 22:23.57 | iBob | we dont need an irda port! |
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| 22:24.22 | ShadowJK | ma3mo, one of the emitters at the top can be used to send signals that control televisions and such... with the right apps installed |
| 22:24.26 | iBob | i wana see you guys port wireshark to wm :P |
| 22:24.43 | Kegetys | I wonder if the proximity sensor could be used to receive IR as well :P |
| 22:24.48 | Myrtti | I wana see you guys spit out uncut diamonds at my command |
| 22:24.53 | Myrtti | plz? |
| 22:25.00 | ma3mo | ummmm |
| 22:25.02 | ma3mo | ok |
| 22:25.08 | ma3mo | got it |
| 22:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: too slow probably |
| 22:25.14 | ma3mo | but java???? |
| 22:25.33 | ShadowJK | ma3mo, did you see java support listed on the box? |
| 22:25.38 | ShadowJK | ma3mo, or in the specs? |
| 22:25.59 | ma3mo | nooo i want java :) |
| 22:26.19 | ma3mo | but i see umts |
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| 22:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | ma3mo: if you need java, go and start a project to port it. I mean that's LINUX! you know that OS don't ya? |
| 22:26.35 | iBob | ma3mo : are you sure you dont want some pie ? |
| 22:26.38 | ma3mo | ???? they havre to write umts signal |
| 22:27.03 | iBob | lol |
| 22:27.20 | ShadowJK | ma3mo, it does |
| 22:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | ma3mo: please stop acting like a troll |
| 22:27.28 | ma3mo | i dont want appleeeeeeeeeee i get it couse it was with qwerty etc |
| 22:27.35 | iBob | DocScrutinizer : you want him to port java ? |
| 22:27.46 | iBob | suggest that he reads the specs next time. |
| 22:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | nah, not really |
| 22:28.01 | Shapeshifter | oh noes java. |
| 22:28.16 | ma3mo | be real i spent 600 euros for a brick hahahaha |
| 22:28.22 | iBob | DocScrutinizer : no, its ok- he can try. :P |
| 22:28.53 | iBob | ma3mo : is that in any way our problem ? :P |
| 22:28.58 | Shapeshifter | ma3mo: you DID read the feature list before buying it, right? |
| 22:29.04 | DocScrutinizer | throws a real brick in ma3mo general direction |
| 22:29.13 | ma3mo | i diiiiiid |
| 22:29.30 | ma3mo | i love this device |
| 22:29.40 | iBob | ok then, |
| 22:29.44 | iBob | have a nice day, |
| 22:29.45 | *** part/#maemo iBob (~d4289603@gateway/web/freenode/x-cqseoypfdbbaxjft) |
| 22:29.50 | ma3mo | but it has stupid things inside |
| 22:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | *stop trolling* |
| 22:29.50 | ds3 | Wow... disabling 3G makes a major difference in battery life |
| 22:29.51 | Shapeshifter | ma3mo: and it said "java" and "irda ftp betweent devices" (whatever that exactly is supposed to be)? |
| 22:29.53 | Myrtti | there's plenty of people ready to buy it off your hands if you're not satisfied with it |
| 22:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: he means obex push |
| 22:30.37 | ma3mo | okkk i stop to troll... can u send me a valid link for java??? |
| 22:30.48 | ds3 | anyone remember some of the old bandwidth on demand technologies used with ISDN? |
| 22:30.53 | Myrtti | ma3mo: so when are you going to stop trolling exactly? |
| 22:31.07 | ma3mo | now |
| 22:31.09 | Shapeshifter | ma3mo: java.sun.com? |
| 22:31.11 | Myrtti | coz I didn't see you stop |
| 22:31.13 | ShadowJK | ds3, 3g is bad for IM and such :) |
| 22:31.37 | ma3mo | valid java app for fremantle i mean |
| 22:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | ignore or kick? elections are open |
| 22:31.41 | ShadowJK | There are actually some threads on the forums where people have installed java.. |
| 22:31.43 | ds3 | ShadowJK: right... |
| 22:31.54 | ShadowJK | ds3, it's all about the wake ups :) |
| 22:32.21 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: aw, but he's so much fun |
| 22:32.26 | ds3 | back then, there was ISDN routers that would use the D channesl to main a min. presence then when bandwidth demand goes up, it would add B channels |
| 22:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 22:32.49 | ds3 | why can't we default to 2.5G/2.0G and switch to 3G as bandwidth demand increases automatically? |
| 22:32.53 | ma3mo | not with microemulator. if i m here its couse i yet read all bout that. i hate microemu is just a demo |
| 22:32.53 | ShadowJK | ds3, I saw some script announced on t.m.o. that promised automatic switch between 2g and 3g :) |
| 22:33.03 | ds3 | oooh |
| 22:33.08 | Arif_ | sneezes |
| 22:33.26 | ds3 | 2.5G actually makes the device usable (from a battery life standpoint) |
| 22:33.50 | ml-mobile | doesn't flipping between 2.XG and 3.XG kill connections? |
| 22:33.50 | Arif_ | 2.5G is too slow ={ |
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| 22:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: probably mainly because there's no crystal ball to tell future bandwidth demand |
| 22:34.10 | ma3mo | some help??? |
| 22:34.15 | Shapeshifter | my provider doesn't even do 2.5G :( |
| 22:34.24 | Shapeshifter | only 2,3 and 3.5 |
| 22:34.36 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: that's the same issue with the ISDN stuff and it mostly worked |
| 22:34.42 | ml-mobile | is on 2.5G all the time, damned AT&T |
| 22:34.54 | Arif_ | get TMobile! |
| 22:35.15 | ds3 | depends on what you are used to... the N800 + tetered 2.5G phone was find for my use so... |
| 22:35.17 | ShadowJK | I don't notice any difference in browsing speed between edge and 3g |
| 22:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: ISDN connection establishing ois 10 times as fast as a band switch for cellular |
| 22:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 100 times as fast |
| 22:35.43 | Myrtti | wohey |
| 22:35.44 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: oh..DOH |
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| 22:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, while you're at GPRS you don't keep a list of valid UMTS basestations even |
| 22:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | ther's no defined roaming between GSM and UMTS afaik |
| 22:38.29 | ds3 | Oh... somehow I thought they were the same stations...akin to how EDGE and GPRS is |
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| 22:39.11 | ShadowJK | I think in dual mode it keeps track of both 2g and 3g stations though? |
| 22:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | nah 3G is an entirely new BTS technology, distinct from GSM |
| 22:39.24 | crashanddie_ | hey guys, does MfE now actually work with GMail? |
| 22:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'm not sure but I'd guess no |
| 22:40.00 | ds3 | so based on what you are saying... if I am on a voice call in a 3G area and I travel into a 2.5G area, the call drops? |
| 22:40.15 | crashanddie_ | that's how blackberries behave |
| 22:40.23 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I'd guess yes, because roaming between the two isn't up to the handset itself, and when you move from 3g area to 2g-only area your calls and data packets follow you.. |
| 22:40.41 | ds3 | oh my |
| 22:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | at least there's no such thing like a cell handover from 2G to 3G |
| 22:41.07 | ShadowJK | Although when 3g was newly introduced here, most handsets acted broken when going from 3g to 2g or vice versa... |
| 22:41.20 | ds3 | so 3G is more like a bolting in a second V8 to get a Yugo to go faster w/removing the original Yugo engine? |
| 22:41.37 | crashanddie_ | Vodafone told us that we shouldn't use 3G all the time (If you have 4x4 on your SUV, you don't have it activated the whole time?) |
| 22:41.48 | ShadowJK | Nokia blamed the operator, operator blamed nokia, nokia's left hand blamed nokia's right hand (which then said FU i want a divorce, and became nokia siemens networks)... |
| 22:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sounds about right |
| 22:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | there's no handover criterion in 2G for roaming to 3G. figure |
| 22:42.55 | ShadowJK | But I've definitely maintained IP connectivity driving from 3g to 2g to 3g to 2g to 3g... |
| 22:43.22 | ShadowJK | And dozens of times my E70 has borked on that |
| 22:43.44 | ShadowJK | I can't remember my E75 doing that, and I've only had N900 since December so it's a bit early to tell :) |
| 22:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | well it doesn't work here |
| 22:44.18 | ds3 | makes me wonder more and more on how well the 900 would work in really rural areas |
| 22:44.34 | ShadowJK | I think I'm in "really rural" area :-) |
| 22:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: better than in urban areas, as in rural ones there's no 3G at all |
| 22:44.52 | ShadowJK | the 3g is more sensitive than on E75 atleast |
| 22:45.04 | ds3 | how does it acquire a signal? or does it just happying bounce around depending on how you hold your phone? |
| 22:45.06 | ShadowJK | I get 3g signal at 10 kilometres distance from base station :-) |
| 22:45.26 | ShadowJK | ds3, dont hold hand near right side, that's where antenna is |
| 22:45.30 | ShadowJK | or "bottom" in portrait mode |
| 22:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | actually bottom right |
| 22:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 22:45.59 | ShadowJK | if I keep hand there the N900 instantly loses 3g and switches to the 2g station instead (which is at 400 metres distance instead of 10km for 3g) |
| 22:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
| 22:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | though both 2G and 3G are max 500m away |
| 22:47.03 | ds3 | ShadowJK: and what happens when you keep shifting your hands to cover and on cover that area? |
| 22:47.16 | ShadowJK | uncover? |
| 22:47.37 | ds3 | like if you move your hands over and away from that area |
| 22:47.38 | ShadowJK | Well the signal meter goes up and down, and at some point N900 is like "fuck this I'm going back to the stable strong 2g" |
| 22:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | well here the jump to 2G means connectivity loss |
| 22:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | here==my-provider |
| 22:48.14 | ds3 | but let's say you are doing a long TCP transfer..does it get killed or you get into TCP retry hell? |
| 22:48.16 | ShadowJK | on my provider it's seamless |
| 22:48.41 | ShadowJK | ds3, there's a few seconds where no data is moved, then data starts flowing again |
| 22:48.59 | ShadowJK | obviously that's just with my operator, DocScrutinizer has different experience with his operator |
| 22:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | that's a setup issue with carrier's network |
| 22:49.47 | ShadowJK | My operator is pretty famous for disconnecting connections randomly... |
| 22:50.10 | ShadowJK | My other operator has very solid performance in this regard.. I can stay connected for months nonstop |
| 22:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | see, afaik there's no clear spec how to switch 2G/3G. So carriers take assumptions. Modem builders take assumptions |
| 22:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes the match, sometimes :-/ |
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| 22:54.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, open-source modem fw! :) |
| 22:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | it's almost like in the early day of O2 (viag intercom), back when they used T-Mobile (telekom) for gap fillin. You had to relogin with a different PIN whenever you moved from one coverage area to the other |
| 22:56.12 | ShadowJK | wtf :-) |
| 22:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah!! |
| 22:56.32 | ShadowJK | My operator used to be a full virtual operator... on the website you could click a button to pick which network to use :-) |
| 22:56.37 | ShadowJK | it required powercycle of phone.. |
| 22:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | hehe. so same shit |
| 22:57.55 | ShadowJK | It was mostly an academical excercise anyway. The two biggest operators have nearly identical geographical coverage |
| 22:58.02 | noobmonk3y | prods frals |
| 22:58.28 | ShadowJK | Though one of them has slightly more solar/wind powered byous out in the sea and thus greater coverage offshore |
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| 23:00.35 | noobmonk3y | ~kick Arif_ |
| 23:00.36 | infobot | ACTION kicks Arif_ |
| 23:00.50 | Arif_ | ~rape noobmonk3y |
| 23:00.51 | infobot | ACTION takes noobmonk3y behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 23:01.02 | noobmonk3y | squeals with joy |
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| 23:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | kicks infobot |
| 23:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | no more toy for the kids |
| 23:03.59 | noobmonk3y | poor old infobot |
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| 23:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's all your fault. Told ya "don't mess with infobot" :-P |
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| 23:10.02 | GAN900 | Haha |
| 23:10.07 | GAN900 | Dumbass Engadget |
| 23:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 23:10.19 | GAN900 | "Entelligence" my ass. |
| 23:10.25 | microlith | ain't it? |
| 23:10.35 | GAN900 | "Mobile Multitasking is Mostly a Myth" |
| 23:10.43 | microlith | except when it's not |
| 23:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | and margerine is healthy for you |
| 23:11.21 | GAN900 | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/26/entelligence-mobile-multitasking-is-mostly-a-myth/ |
| 23:11.54 | microlith | actually the biggest killer on my N900 is the background processes |
| 23:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | and in five years we jave implanted multimedia |
| 23:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | have even |
| 23:12.18 | microlith | mail daemon always lets you know, via crippling cpu usage, that a message has arrived |
| 23:12.20 | DrGrov | where the hell do these Engagdet people get there shit? |
| 23:12.25 | GAN900 | Engadget has gone so far downhill since Block left. |
| 23:12.43 | GAN900 | DrGrov, Apple PR department. |
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| 23:12.49 | DrGrov | GAN900: these god damn fuckers |
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| 23:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | whatever they smoke, please do mankind a favour and exinguish it from earth |
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| 23:17.54 | javispedro | ohnoes talk is down |
| 23:18.17 | javispedro | where i'm going to troll now. |
| 23:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | pfff, raw horsepower of PC makes multitasking more important there than it is on smartphones. AHUH! o.O |
| 23:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: how'd you figure? |
| 23:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 23:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | don't tell me you're actually using tmo |
| 23:23.33 | javispedro | I read that on tmo |
| 23:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 23:31.25 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: smartphones are almost always PCs |
| 23:32.02 | DocScrutinizer | don't tell me |
| 23:32.36 | corecode_ | so how do i write a python daemon for maemo? |
| 23:32.41 | corecode_ | where do i look? |
| 23:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: not my words, qiote of Mr Michael Gartenberg |
| 23:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | Multitasking is far more important on the personal computer -- whose windowed UI and raw horsepower make it not just a luxury but a necessity |
| 23:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 23:34.42 | luke-jr | wtf? |
| 23:35.07 | luke-jr | tbh, I think desktop WMs need to support SIGSTOP on minimized windows in some cases |
| 23:35.09 | luke-jr | eg, browsers |
| 23:35.21 | luke-jr | even if the app itself sends the SIGSTOP |
| 23:35.25 | corecode_ | and then do what? |
| 23:35.35 | luke-jr | SIGCONT when it's restored |
| 23:35.35 | corecode_ | how is the WM supposed to find out? |
| 23:35.36 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you're reading iPhone fan club blogs now? |
| 23:35.47 | corecode_ | ah |
| 23:35.48 | luke-jr | corecode_: the same way 'ps' finds out |
| 23:35.51 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, I used to do that with firefox |
| 23:35.57 | corecode_ | luke-jr: running as root? :) |
| 23:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: GAN900 lured me in |
| 23:36.01 | luke-jr | corecode_: no |
| 23:36.07 | javispedro | evil GAN. |
| 23:36.08 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I still do, sometimes |
| 23:36.10 | corecode_ | luke-jr: polling the kernel? |
| 23:36.12 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, but then I bought a quad core computer and 8 gigs of ram.. and now it's barely copying with it, so I'm fine.. |
| 23:36.27 | luke-jr | corecode_: when you restore a window, or it needs an update, check if it's suspended and SIGCONT it |
| 23:36.33 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I should do that :) |
| 23:36.50 | corecode_ | luke-jr: can always cont it |
| 23:36.52 | corecode_ | doesn't hurt |
| 23:36.55 | luke-jr | sure |
| 23:37.03 | GAN900 | cackles |
| 23:37.09 | corecode_ | but what's that good for |
| 23:37.10 | ShadowJK | I tried to sigstop things in maemo4, but it kinda didn't work out that well |
| 23:37.15 | javispedro | tends to CLOSE firefox instead of minimizing it... after a long session it gets way too heavy |
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| 23:37.17 | ShadowJK | far more things than just the app itself hung :) |
| 23:37.20 | luke-jr | corecode_: high-multitasking systems w/o the RAM |
| 23:37.21 | corecode_ | shouldn't the software just block if there is nothing happening? |
| 23:37.40 | corecode_ | stop doesn't swap out the process |
| 23:37.48 | luke-jr | corecode_: unfortunately, I don't think toolkits are that smart |
| 23:37.54 | GAN900 | javispedro, Community forum has come screetching to a halt, so I don't have to read anything. |
| 23:37.59 | luke-jr | STOP prevents it from running |
| 23:38.29 | lcuk | ~seen jebba |
| 23:38.33 | infobot | jebba <~jebba@Ploegsma.cwx.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 1h 21m 46s ago, saying: 'i'm sick of this shit. anyway, good luck.'. |
| 23:38.33 | ShadowJK | corecode_, yeah well, software is so badly written |
| 23:38.33 | SpeedEvil | stop will lead to swapout under memorhy pressure |
| 23:38.33 | corecode_ | but what is it doing? |
| 23:38.38 | corecode_ | ShadowJK: sure |
| 23:38.52 | luke-jr | corecode_: polling crap? "just checking" that it has nothing to do? |
| 23:39.13 | corecode_ | then it would run at 100% |
| 23:39.16 | corecode_ | surely not |
| 23:39.22 | luke-jr | not necessarily |
| 23:39.27 | luke-jr | there's usually a select loop |
| 23:39.33 | javispedro | firefox? collecting garbage |
| 23:39.33 | javispedro | :) |
| 23:40.07 | ShadowJK | Well, xchat was checking every second or something if there was stuff to do :) |
| 23:40.08 | luke-jr | I totally agree that software should be written better than that |
| 23:40.17 | luke-jr | but occasionally I simply need firefox :( |
| 23:40.52 | corecode_ | ShadowJK: "stuff"? |
| 23:41.18 | luke-jr | certain libraires *cough curl cough* make it mandatory |
| 23:41.44 | corecode_ | the magic of non-multithreaded and non-callback programming |
| 23:41.44 | luke-jr | libcurl won't do timeouts unless you run its curl_process or whatever every N seconds |
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| 23:41.57 | nthx | hi.just want to say hello from n900 and test if xchat works.. c u |
| 23:42.00 | corecode_ | can't you run it blocking? |
| 23:42.07 | javispedro | the wonders of not having a proper timing api until this decade. |
| 23:42.16 | SpeedEvil | nthx, it does. |
| 23:42.17 | luke-jr | I submitted a patch to fix it like a year ago, and they were all too worried about it breaking things :/ |
| 23:42.34 | corecode_ | javispedro: yea, and no upcalls |
| 23:42.47 | luke-jr | corecode_: no. even if you could, blocking prevents other things from going |
| 23:43.15 | javispedro | ... now is when you start going down into the wonderful world of threading... |
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| 23:43.53 | luke-jr | threading+blocking makes things so much easier :) |
| 23:44.03 | corecode_ | luke-jr: that's when you create a thread |
| 23:44.06 | luke-jr | wish Linux supported some kind of cooperative multithreading tho |
| 23:44.06 | corecode_ | yea |
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| 23:44.18 | corecode_ | what's that good for? |
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| 23:44.30 | ptl | wow |
| 23:44.35 | luke-jr | avoiding context switching |
| 23:44.37 | ptl | I had a bug storm here |
| 23:44.40 | luke-jr | think 10000 threads |
| 23:44.41 | ptl | everything went down |
| 23:44.47 | ptl | *a big storm |
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| 23:44.53 | corecode_ | luke-jr: you still need to switch contexts |
| 23:45.03 | corecode_ | luke-jr: just not preemptively |
| 23:45.04 | luke-jr | corecode_: not exactly |
| 23:45.08 | corecode_ | of course |
| 23:45.16 | luke-jr | you only switch threads from the main select loop ;) |
| 23:45.31 | luke-jr | and wait until it's done processing whatever and exits back |
| 23:45.37 | luke-jr | then find another thread to run, or wait for data |
| 23:45.40 | corecode_ | and that helps how? |
| 23:45.53 | corecode_ | except for only running uniprocessor |
| 23:45.54 | luke-jr | when you have 10000 threads, the savings becomes significant |
| 23:46.01 | corecode_ | which savings? |
| 23:46.09 | luke-jr | not context switching needlessly |
| 23:46.17 | corecode_ | why would it switch needlessly |
| 23:46.28 | corecode_ | if there is work, it will have to run |
| 23:46.33 | corecode_ | if not, it won't be scheduled |
| 23:46.39 | luke-jr | if thread A is running, there is no benefit to switching to thread B sooner than thread A is done |
| 23:47.38 | luke-jr | why do people write async code? |
| 23:48.02 | luke-jr | if there was no overhead to context switching, everything would be multithreaded blocking |
| 23:48.51 | luke-jr | cooperative multithreading would be the ease of the latter with the performance of the former |
| 23:48.56 | ds3 | luke-jr: aren't you describing old windows with the cooperative multitasking? |
| 23:49.15 | luke-jr | ds3: to an extent |
| 23:49.19 | luke-jr | except that was at an OS level |
| 23:49.34 | corecode_ | you can do that these days as well |
| 23:49.39 | corecode_ | with priorities |
| 23:49.49 | corecode_ | and semaphores or whatever |
| 23:49.51 | luke-jr | priorities only go -19 to 20 :p |
| 23:49.56 | corecode_ | no, that's nice levels |
| 23:50.00 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, those are nice levels |
| 23:50.09 | ShadowJK | real priorities go from 0-99 iirc |
| 23:50.10 | luke-jr | which is effectively the same thing |
| 23:50.16 | corecode_ | ... |
| 23:50.20 | luke-jr | 0-99 isn't much when you're talking 10000 threads |
| 23:50.29 | corecode_ | thanks for making it clear |
| 23:50.44 | corecode_ | you don't really have a lot of threading/scheduler experience, do you |
| 23:50.52 | corecode_ | as in "wrote it" |
| 23:50.57 | luke-jr | in the kernel, no |
| 23:51.06 | corecode_ | the big savings you get |
| 23:51.13 | corecode_ | from coroutines/userland threading |
| 23:51.24 | corecode_ | is reduced stack space in the kernel |
| 23:51.32 | corecode_ | that's the big difference |
| 23:52.13 | luke-jr | userland app stacks aren't in the kernel, are they? O.o |
| 23:52.16 | corecode_ | context switches are not really a big deal |
| 23:52.39 | ptl | I think that when PR1.2 is out I'll shout at my N900. It's taking too damn long. |
| 23:53.22 | luke-jr | IIRC to create a new thread, the userland needs to allocate memory for the new stack |
| 23:53.39 | ShadowJK | yawm |
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| 23:54.50 | corecode_ | no, luke-jr yes, lazily |
| 23:54.58 | corecode_ | that was ambiguous now |
| 23:55.01 | luke-jr | wtf? |
| 23:55.04 | corecode_ | :) |
| 23:55.14 | corecode_ | userland stack is allocated lazily |
| 23:55.24 | luke-jr | ... |
| 23:55.28 | corecode_ | kernel stack isn't |
| 23:55.40 | javispedro | those stupid operating systems with 1:1 threads... |
| 23:55.46 | javispedro | ;) |
| 23:55.54 | luke-jr | oh, you mean the kernel keeps a local stack for syscalls? |
| 23:55.58 | corecode_ | but cooperative multitasking (1:n threading) also needs a userland stack |
| 23:56.03 | corecode_ | yes |
| 23:56.03 | luke-jr | that makes sense I suppose |
| 23:56.29 | luke-jr | whatever the benefit tho, I know avoiding the kernel for the multithreading seems to perform much betters |
| 23:56.45 | corecode_ | i doubt that |
| 23:56.56 | corecode_ | especially not for multi processor systems |
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| 23:57.13 | luke-jr | ponders |
| 23:57.19 | javispedro | with 10000 threads and 2 cores, I can see luke-jr being right |
| 23:57.25 | corecode_ | what? |
| 23:57.31 | corecode_ | are they all runnable? |
| 23:57.34 | corecode_ | or not |
| 23:57.34 | luke-jr | multiprocessor systems are a slightly different scenario |
| 23:57.43 | corecode_ | everythign is multiprocessor |
| 23:57.44 | luke-jr | corecode_: they're all runnable at some point |
| 23:57.50 | corecode_ | either already or in 2 years |
| 23:57.56 | luke-jr | corecode_: I don't have a single multicore system |
| 23:58.12 | corecode_ | that sucks |
| 23:58.13 | corecode_ | i guess |
| 23:58.17 | javispedro | corecode_: same reason you mentioned. on single processor it's faster because it's just less overhead and there's not an extra processor to schedule threads to at all, so using entirely userspace threading works. |
| 23:58.22 | luke-jr | runs fine, except for RAM shortages |
| 23:58.29 | corecode_ | javispedro: indeed |
| 23:58.38 | javispedro | corecode_: with 10000 threads and 2 processors I can see the overhead being greater than 50% |
| 23:58.42 | corecode_ | javispedro: but with 2 cpus, you can get a (theoretical) speedup |
| 23:58.48 | javispedro | and the benefits being much smaller than 50% |
| 23:58.51 | ShadowJK | there was this library that did posix threading without kernel :P |
| 23:58.55 | ShadowJK | it didn't work that well |
| 23:59.11 | corecode_ | you mean "all unices"? |
| 23:59.12 | corecode_ | :D |
| 23:59.18 | luke-jr | ponders if he could abuse setjmp to do a proof of concept |
| 23:59.24 | luke-jr | actually, I already have a semi-POC |
| 23:59.45 | corecode_ | luke-jr: yes, that's what all 1:n threading libs use(d) |
| 23:59.45 | javispedro | userspace threads don't need any more proofs of concept :) |
| 23:59.52 | corecode_ | yea, that's 90ies tech |
| 23:59.52 | luke-jr | corecode_: really? the spec for setjmp doesn't make that possible :P |