| 00:00.20 | C-S-B-N900 | is there a guide to getting the n900 nfs ready? |
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| 00:00.56 | jacekowski | there are some modules in maemo-extras |
| 00:01.01 | jacekowski | and utils |
| 00:02.34 | C-S-B-N900 | then i may well have them. i know i have the cifs pack. |
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| 00:05.52 | Ken-Young | Has the promotion of packages from Extras-devel to Extras-testing been disabled? |
| 00:06.52 | javispedro | might be |
| 00:06.52 | javispedro | from today on iirc they will be built for fremantle-1.2 |
| 00:06.53 | nidO | not unless it happened very recently, last package was promoted like 2 hours ago |
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| 00:07.26 | javispedro | yeah well Wednesday arrived just 2 hours ago (UTC) :) |
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| 00:07.42 | pupnik | http://lolfed.com/wp-content/lesko.jpg lol |
| 00:07.43 | nidO | 7 minutes ago* :p |
| 00:07.46 | Ken-Young | nidO, I just uploaded a package, the build succeeded, but there is no "Promote Package" link. |
| 00:08.04 | Ken-Young | nidO, My build completed more than 7 minutes ago. |
| 00:08.17 | javispedro | nidO: touché |
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| 00:08.40 | nidO | well, no clue - if today (weds) is when it's disabled for the current repo then they might have shut down promotion in the past couple of hours |
| 00:09.00 | nidO | but the last package to go to testing hit at 21:45, 2 hours 25 mins ago |
| 00:09.15 | Ken-Young | nidO, Rats - Will it now be impossible to promote packages until whenever pr1.2 appears? |
| 00:09.24 | javispedro | I want to propose to switch the fremantle autobuilder to use the PR1.2 SDK coming Wednesday March 24th, 12:00 UTC. |
| 00:09.27 | javispedro | </quote> |
| 00:09.43 | javispedro | so, dunno. |
| 00:09.56 | Ken-Young | javispedro, Not much of a warning interval. |
| 00:10.13 | nidO | hum |
| 00:10.18 | Ken-Young | javispedro, Not that I'm blaming *you*. |
| 00:10.18 | nidO | 12:00 utc is 12 hours from now |
| 00:10.30 | javispedro | i said "dunno" |
| 00:10.47 | jacekowski | nidO: it was 12h ago |
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| 00:11.03 | noobmonk3y | hmm anyone know how to get the button label text on a QtGui.QPushButton ? |
| 00:11.06 | jacekowski | and 36h ago |
| 00:11.09 | noobmonk3y | .setText to set it |
| 00:11.18 | nidO | 12:00 utc weds 24th is in 11 hours 49 minutes time |
| 00:11.19 | noobmonk3y | but not sure how to retrieve it in pymaemo |
| 00:11.21 | noobmonk3y | pyqt |
| 00:12.31 | jacekowski | or in 365 days and 11h 48 minutes |
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| 00:13.24 | jacekowski | good night |
| 00:13.40 | javispedro | good. |
| 00:13.44 | javispedro | er.. |
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| 00:13.45 | javispedro | gnite. |
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| 00:15.17 | noobmonk3y | :D |
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| 00:23.03 | noobmonk3y | anyone? :D - how to get a buttons text (QtGui.QPushButton) using pyqt? - just trying to see what the current button text is? |
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| 00:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | in 365 days and 11h 48 minutes definitely isn't wednesday 24h |
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| 00:26.58 | noobmonk3y | meh - no panic, sorted, used a global var :D |
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| 00:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | 24th even |
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| 00:30.17 | frals_ | noobmonk3y: try print dir(yourobject), should list a set of methods on it |
| 00:30.22 | frals_ | (not sure if it made it through the last time before i got dc'd) |
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| 00:31.13 | pronto | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/bh8mm/take_action_to_keep_sarah_palin_aerial_wolfkiller/ Take action to keep Sarah Palin, aerial wolf-killer, off Discovery |
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| 00:50.11 | cityLights2 | I am an idiot - can anyone tell me where I can get /etc/init.d/icd2 , I just rm it by mistake |
| 00:53.53 | pupnik | pastbin ok cityLights2 ? |
| 00:54.19 | cityLights2 | yes! |
| 00:54.51 | javispedro | or just doing something like apt-get install --reinstall icd2 |
| 00:55.04 | cityLights2 | I tried it - doesnt work |
| 00:55.37 | javispedro | you tried it with this syntax and it failed how? |
| 00:56.06 | cityLights2 | yes this syntax - file is still missing |
| 00:56.30 | javispedro | ah I see, they made icd2.initd a conffile |
| 00:56.59 | pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/65555/ |
| 00:57.12 | cityLights2 | thanks mate |
| 00:57.17 | pupnik | np |
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| 01:01.39 | cityLights2 | I am seeking the IAP ID |
| 01:01.51 | cityLights2 | so I ran gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP |more |
| 01:02.07 | cityLights2 | but how can I tell which is the ID? |
| 01:03.00 | cityLights2 | I mean , I search for gprs |
| 01:03.07 | cityLights2 | then how can I find the ID? |
| 01:04.03 | cityLights2 | only number I see under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/Internet@32@3G: is sim_imsi number |
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| 01:05.48 | noobmonk3y | is off to bed, night alls |
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| 01:07.42 | SudhirMathane | hi, could someone help me find how do i get opengles-sgx-img-common and opengles-sgx-img-common packages? |
| 01:08.17 | luke-jr | SudhirMathane: you probably don't. |
| 01:09.05 | SudhirMathane | luke-jr: Are these packages missing in repositories? |
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| 01:09.46 | Andrewfblack | any idea when I first install php server and lighttpd on n900 it works fine I restart and start lighttpd but php stops working |
| 01:10.12 | amstan | hey guys, i heard there's a maemo gsoc chan, where is that? |
| 01:10.22 | amstan | nvm, found it |
| 01:10.41 | luke-jr | SudhirMathane: they're not redistributable, afaik |
| 01:11.53 | SudhirMathane | luke-jr: thanks for your help. One last questions --> are these covered under than NOKIA binaries under EULA? |
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| 01:17.07 | crashanddie | SudhirMathane: if they are in the Nokia repositories, they are not redistributable. If they are in the Maemo repository, they are redistributable (and in the free category) |
| 01:18.34 | SudhirMathane | crashanddie: thanks |
| 01:23.14 | crashanddie | They should have licences coming with them anyhoo |
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| 02:42.33 | C-S-B-N900 | whats the intermediate power option like? |
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| 03:07.10 | cehteh | mhm i wondering if i should a very long lasting (30min for example) vibration alarm with very short pulses (little more than the screen tap vibr) and long pause (15-30 sec) for notification .. xchat for example |
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| 03:07.45 | cehteh | eventually one notice it when the device twitches |
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| 03:19.42 | cehteh | .. note: no thats not good |
| 03:20.44 | yigal | for diablo users: has anyone here been succesful in using stereo headphones via a2dp ? |
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| 03:21.10 | yigal | or stereo over bt in general in diablo? |
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| 03:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | failed |
| 03:23.39 | yigal | I see this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp so I imagine it works, or at least it worked on diablo |
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| 04:02.40 | disco_stu | convirtiendo flvs a mp4 |
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| 05:05.56 | LiraNuna | x86_64 is /still/ not supported in maemo sdk? |
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| 05:13.25 | Milo- | I have no issues with x86_64 |
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| 05:26.20 | ptl | 516 nicks in #maemo vs. 322 nicks in android. |
| 05:26.27 | ptl | I mean #android |
| 05:26.50 | ptl | 96 nicks in #iphone |
| 05:33.11 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 05:33.12 | infobot | ~pong |
| 05:33.19 | Stskeeps | ~plonk |
| 05:33.20 | infobot | rumour has it, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
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| 05:34.01 | crashanddie | ptl: IRC activity is hardly any kind of pointer of popularity |
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| 05:34.32 | crashanddie | ptl: Android and iPhoneOS blow Maemo out of the water in terms of numbers, they just target less nerdy types of users |
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| 05:36.05 | Stskeeps | irc activity on freenode, too |
| 05:36.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:36.51 | crashanddie | I'm guessing Freenode is one of the more popular networks these days |
| 05:37.03 | crashanddie | I hardly hear of Quakenet, undernet or Efnet anymore these days |
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| 05:57.11 | LiraNuna | I installed the maemo5 SDK |
| 05:57.15 | LiraNuna | now what? :D |
| 05:58.10 | ankur | I have installed maemo5 too |
| 05:58.12 | LiraNuna | docs show /scratchbox/ but I don't have it in / |
| 06:01.26 | ankur | Regarding application testing is Emulator tool avalibale |
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| 06:03.03 | ptl | crashanddie: don't get me at me for pointing that! :) |
| 06:03.22 | ptl | crashanddie: the activity in talk.maemo.org is also much greater than any of the android forums I've visited so far. |
| 06:03.35 | ptl | *crashanddie: don't get mad at me |
| 06:03.38 | crashanddie | s/activity/noise/ |
| 06:04.24 | ptl | yeah, but the same kind (and percentage) of noise that appears in other forums, so it cancels |
| 06:05.05 | crashanddie | ptl: you're trying to imply the number of Maemo users is greater than the number of Android users? |
| 06:05.13 | crashanddie | I mean, I love the platform, but seriously, we have to be realistic |
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| 06:07.00 | ptl | not really |
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| 06:07.52 | ptl | I am just trying to irritate someone enough so that the irritated person thinks that I think the world is nerdy |
| 06:07.55 | ptl | something like that |
| 06:08.39 | ptl | nevertheless android also has a nerd side |
| 06:08.43 | LiraNuna | why can't I find anything that indicates where the maemo sdk was installed to? |
| 06:09.34 | slonopotamus | what does (nc) in bugzilla mean? |
| 06:09.56 | LiraNuna | no content |
| 06:10.11 | slonopotamus | thx |
| 06:11.19 | ankur | anyone having little time please tell regarding emulator |
| 06:11.51 | MiXu- | ankur: There's scratchbox |
| 06:13.07 | MiXu- | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_GUI_Installer |
| 06:14.09 | ankur | ok thnx sir , |
| 06:14.51 | ankur | Regarding GSoc i need to dicuss over EBook reader project |
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| 06:32.42 | LiraNuna | does the N900's ARM CPU support NEON? |
| 06:34.12 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: no |
| 06:34.13 | Summeli | sure |
| 06:34.23 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: NEON is only available on Cortex IIRC |
| 06:34.33 | LiraNuna | uhm, isn't N900 Cortex A8... |
| 06:34.40 | Summeli | yeah, so it's supported |
| 06:34.54 | Summeli | have fun ^^ |
| 06:35.01 | LiraNuna | awesome, I wanted to have fun with NEON for so long |
| 06:35.40 | crashanddie | is sleepy |
| 06:35.50 | crashanddie | sorry 'bout that |
| 06:36.16 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: yes, there's NEON patches in libjpeg for instance |
| 06:36.26 | LiraNuna | leetness |
| 06:36.35 | LiraNuna | I wanted to play with NEON for so long |
| 06:36.44 | LiraNuna | gonna have fun with a lame google map app |
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| 07:15.41 | Passeli | it seems that in N900 i cannot anymore install local packages by application manager |
| 07:15.54 | Passeli | is the only way to install xterm + rootsh ? |
| 07:16.11 | Passeli | so that it is possible to install local packages? |
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| 07:20.31 | Matros | Hi all! |
| 07:22.07 | rmrfchik | Passeli: dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 07:33.51 | Passeli | rmrfchik: yeah but in order to do that i need to install xterm+rootsh |
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| 07:34.22 | Passeli | i'm asking confirmation that there is no other way to do local packages install |
| 07:34.41 | rmrfchik | hmmm.. |
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| 07:48.28 | Passeli | what does following error mean: Warning: This package does not have the required bugtracker link specified! ? |
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| 07:53.02 | Passeli | find it, it seems that i'm missing bugtracker address at control file |
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| 08:16.16 | LiraNuna | how come I can't set +x on files? |
| 08:16.23 | LiraNuna | on the N900's terminal |
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| 08:16.38 | fragment | LiraNuna: which partition? |
| 08:16.49 | LiraNuna | ~/MyDocs/ |
| 08:16.56 | fragment | that is FAT32 |
| 08:17.03 | LiraNuna | eeew |
| 08:17.15 | mortal | what is the best chess app for n800? |
| 08:17.17 | LiraNuna | how do I execute from FAT32 |
| 08:17.33 | Stskeeps | mortal: comes with one that's kinda difficult |
| 08:18.17 | mortal | Stskeeps: what is it based on? gnuchess? |
| 08:19.04 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 08:19.58 | LiraNuna | hmm |
| 08:20.02 | LiraNuna | /home/user is ext3 |
| 08:20.29 | LiraNuna | I took the OpenVG examples from TI |
| 08:20.39 | Sampppa_ | LiraNuna, put your files under /opt for example |
| 08:20.42 | LiraNuna | it says 'Warning! Using the SOFTWARE renderer' |
| 08:20.46 | tekojo | Morning! |
| 08:20.54 | mortal | I wish I could get a recent crafty and some good ui |
| 08:20.54 | Stskeeps | morning! |
| 08:21.06 | LiraNuna | there's no OpenVG support for N900? |
| 08:21.18 | mortal | could it be possible to get some debian package of crafty and install it? or would it break things |
| 08:22.36 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: not sure, there is for n8x0 :P |
| 08:22.49 | LiraNuna | why does it fallback to the software renderer? :( |
| 08:23.17 | noobmonk3y | meh... tmo down |
| 08:23.24 | mikhas | mortal, last time I tried to compile crafty it came up with a lot of warnings ... havent tried to compile it for arm |
| 08:23.28 | ptl | again! :/ |
| 08:23.33 | noobmonk3y | meh |
| 08:23.45 | noobmonk3y | just as i was pressing submit on a post :( |
| 08:23.54 | LiraNuna | huh |
| 08:24.01 | LiraNuna | even the OGL demos says |
| 08:24.16 | LiraNuna | 'Warning! Using the SOFTWARE renderer' |
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| 08:25.36 | noobmonk3y | Grrrrrr to tmo, got to goto work in a mo |
| 08:26.49 | ptl | it's back |
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| 08:31.02 | LiraNuna | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37966 |
| 08:31.06 | LiraNuna | I'm not the only one |
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| 08:34.27 | noobmonk3y | w000000ps |
| 08:39.18 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/23/sandisk_32gb_microsdhc/ <-- hmm can haz 64gb in a n900 ;) |
| 08:40.43 | pupnik | crazy |
| 08:41.00 | mortal | is there any directory based mp3 player available for n800 |
| 08:41.28 | pupnik | xmms, mplayer |
| 08:41.36 | mortal | thanks |
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| 08:43.41 | noobmonk3y | £133 eeeeeeeek |
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| 08:44.05 | noobmonk3y | blames lcuk for the price of the world....... |
| 08:44.11 | noobmonk3y | right off to work, have a gd day alls |
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| 08:45.42 | ameng | Hi, anybody can help to tell me how to build a deb package from source (automake based)? |
| 08:46.17 | ameng | in scratchbox |
| 08:46.20 | Stskeeps | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 08:46.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:46.22 | noobmonk3y | py2deb/py2packager on the devcie :D |
| 08:46.25 | noobmonk3y | device* |
| 08:46.29 | noobmonk3y | from python anyway |
| 08:47.09 | ameng | Stskeeps: dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 08:47.10 | ameng | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 08:47.35 | Stskeeps | ok, you want to package a automake based software, or build a pre-existing package? |
| 08:48.16 | ameng | Stskeeps: package a automake based software |
| 08:48.47 | Stskeeps | ameng: ok, then go read the nearest packaging guides for debian or contact our debmaster, jeremiah |
| 08:48.56 | Stskeeps | he's hired to help with questions and such regarding things |
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| 08:50.25 | ameng | Stskeeps: thanks , where can i find jeremiah? |
| 08:50.56 | Stskeeps | ameng: jeremiah.foster@pelagicore.com |
| 08:51.09 | Stskeeps | not sure why he's not hanging out here anymore though |
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| 08:51.25 | ameng | Stskeeps: oh |
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| 08:51.35 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 08:51.46 | iryge | hey stskeeps, do you plan on updating your example theme to use hildon-theme-layout-5 0.15.0-1? i don't know how to easily fork nokia's example theme... |
| 08:52.52 | Stskeeps | iryge: yes, it's a matter of pulling down the updated variant example, i will do this later tody |
| 08:53.26 | TigerTael | Wish they'd hurry up with 1.2 already. |
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| 08:54.06 | iryge | stskeeps: yeah i actually tried your try_it_out.sh script with the new variant example, and it gave some error, which i've already forgotten |
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| 08:54.47 | iryge | and their script still requires confml, whatever that is. |
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| 09:08.47 | fluemo | hmm, it seems 1.2 is already out via pc updater? |
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| 09:11.48 | TigerTael | fluemo, is it? |
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| 09:13.23 | nidO | it isnt |
| 09:13.31 | nidO | please read more than the first post in that thread |
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| 09:15.19 | tybollt | nidO: no, I like me reading the first few post and then making premature assumptions about everything said in there, kthxplz |
| 09:15.28 | tybollt | ;) |
| 09:15.42 | nidO | no u :( |
| 09:15.45 | TigerTael | ffs |
| 09:16.31 | Khertan | fluemo: it s pr1.1.1 |
| 09:17.41 | ptl | tmo down again... |
| 09:17.45 | fluemo | yea, i see now, lol.. i didnt even see the thread about it yet |
| 09:18.33 | ptl | well, just ask that guy if he can reorder the menu items. if he can't, it' PR 1.1.1. |
| 09:20.03 | ptl | Nokia is taking so long with PR 1.2 that it must be rock stable now. |
| 09:20.19 | ptl | I was comparing my N900 to a friend's Motorola backflip |
| 09:20.29 | ptl | he had to turn it in to the seller 2 times... It's the third device he gets |
| 09:20.35 | nidO | well, it is a ginormous patch if the monster list of bugfixes is even remotely accurate |
| 09:20.36 | ptl | it just keeps rebooting |
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| 09:21.01 | ptl | and with all my tinkering I have the N900 for almost two months and have had only one freeze. |
| 09:21.06 | ptl | no random reboots. |
| 09:21.14 | Khertan | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <<--- still no 1.2 ... so no ... pr1.2 is definitively not available |
| 09:21.16 | gouverneur | ptl: you come from windows? |
| 09:21.46 | ptl | gouverneur: don't offende me! :P I use solely Linux as my SO since 2001. |
| 09:21.47 | gouverneur | ptl: I had no freeze yet |
| 09:21.50 | FIQ | i've no freeze at all. :D |
| 09:21.50 | ptl | *as my OS |
| 09:21.59 | nidO | windows doesnt freeze.. |
| 09:22.05 | gouverneur | ptl: because you talk like one |
| 09:22.27 | FIQ | SE P1i was a nice phone (my previous phone) but it freezed one time a day |
| 09:22.52 | gouverneur | windows just hangsup |
| 09:22.59 | nidO | it really doesnt |
| 09:22.59 | FIQ | just because of that, it takes me just 10secs to take off and insert the battery in it lol |
| 09:23.14 | FIQ | windows, not freezing? |
| 09:23.26 | nidO | rabid linux fanboys have such a distorted view of windows its laughable |
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| 09:23.57 | ptl | gouverneur: it hang just after I installed Appwatch |
| 09:24.04 | ptl | gouverneur: I talk like one? How it is like? |
| 09:24.06 | tybollt | ptl: OTOH - there are quite a few common build quality issues. |
| 09:24.07 | FIQ | well, it rarely makes a completly freeze (but it happens!) but it tend to require rebooting to solve many strange problems |
| 09:24.08 | ptl | *How is it like |
| 09:24.12 | tybollt | with the n900 |
| 09:24.16 | FIQ | I've never understand why. |
| 09:24.25 | gouverneur | nidO: it is not called fanboys... its called idealists |
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| 09:24.42 | ptl | gouverneur: maybe that's because I am a non-native english speaker. Some of my words might seem not so... unixy? |
| 09:24.48 | gouverneur | ptl: "that it must be rock stable now" |
| 09:24.48 | nidO | no, its fanboys. idealists would have no reason to incorrectly bash an operating system they know dick all about |
| 09:24.55 | FIQ | I would prefer Linux, but windows isn't *that* bad |
| 09:25.10 | tybollt | FFS noobs |
| 09:25.31 | gouverneur | nidO: I know both and still dont like windows... or microsoft at all |
| 09:25.31 | FIQ | love you too, tybollt. :3 |
| 09:25.32 | tybollt | it is "fanboi" :) |
| 09:25.57 | tybollt | now call me by the CORRECT derogatory name, will you please? |
| 09:25.59 | gouverneur | FIQ: have I to remind of Win ME? |
| 09:26.08 | gouverneur | or XP64 |
| 09:26.09 | FIQ | no lol |
| 09:26.13 | gouverneur | or vista |
| 09:26.14 | nidO | i've been using win7 for a year and a half on my workstation, the *only* times its been shutdown or rebooted are when i moved house last july and once every couple of months when the patch tuesday requires a reboot |
| 09:26.19 | FIQ | i have vista |
| 09:26.20 | FIQ | :) |
| 09:26.43 | ptl | what's FFS? |
| 09:26.45 | gouverneur | nidO: so they fixed the constantly rebooting issue? |
| 09:26.46 | FIQ | i hate UAC on it, but the unstableness of it, i havent seen anything of |
| 09:26.47 | nidO | prior to that I used xp for perhaps 5 years on my workstations, I dont even know what the xp bsod screen looks like |
| 09:27.03 | tybollt | (what nid forgets to mention are the 12 or so botnet that silently pwns his Win 7 w/out him knowing it) |
| 09:27.10 | nidO | gouverneur I used the beta, rc1, and now final and i've never seen any constantly rebooting or crashing or anything issues |
| 09:27.15 | FIQ | windows xp logo, loading bar with blue squares going |
| 09:27.17 | FIQ | etc |
| 09:27.19 | ptl | for fuck's sake? |
| 09:27.20 | FIQ | np |
| 09:27.30 | FIQ | correct, ptl |
| 09:27.30 | tybollt | ptl: correct yes |
| 09:28.06 | gouverneur | nidO: no I mean that you have to reboot once a day because of some freaking upgrade, my gamingcomputer got windows xp with turned of upgrades to prevent it from rebooting |
| 09:28.14 | FIQ | rebooting cycle is usually caused of a firmware brick |
| 09:28.35 | nidO | win7 updates require reboots perhaps every 2nd/3rd timer |
| 09:28.37 | nidO | -r* |
| 09:28.39 | ptl | I am windows free and I intend to keep that way. Ok, my previous phone was a windows mobile, I confess, but that's it. :) |
| 09:28.42 | nidO | which equates to once every 2-3 months |
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| 09:28.49 | FIQ | governeur, you really shouldn't turn it off |
| 09:28.56 | nidO | less often than a well maintained nix system would need reboots for kernel updates |
| 09:28.56 | gouverneur | nidO: so it is still there... |
| 09:29.15 | FIQ | and, btw |
| 09:29.20 | FIQ | i use vista SP2 |
| 09:29.24 | FIQ | works fine |
| 09:29.43 | tybollt | Well I use linux, openbsd, windows etc... daily. They are all OSes, they suck in their own very special little way. I love my Windows 7 for what it excels att |
| 09:29.46 | tybollt | at |
| 09:29.47 | gouverneur | nidO: let it become the primary win on the market and you will reboot at least every two days... like any other windwos |
| 09:30.03 | gouverneur | FIQ: turn what off? |
| 09:30.07 | nidO | why would I? and I never did so with xp for 5 years |
| 09:30.07 | ptl | Shoot me, but I use Linux mainly for ethical reasons. |
| 09:30.13 | FIQ | windows updates |
| 09:30.31 | ptl | free software philosophy and the such. |
| 09:30.58 | tybollt | ptl: I love the people that use Linux for "ethical" reasons then they put the latest binary blob from Nvidia on their computer and think they are all ethical and such... what a bunc of crock... |
| 09:31.08 | nidO | hell I used win2000 server back in the day on my workstation machine, I had an uptime of 8 months on that at once point |
| 09:31.12 | gouverneur | nidO: then you dont work with it and you do not do security upgrades |
| 09:31.29 | nidO | read my point re kernels, it seems the same applies to you. |
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| 09:31.53 | gouverneur | my office windows has nearly a constant yellowish shield in systray to tell me to reboot |
| 09:31.54 | ptl | tybollt: there's a compromise to that, I try to keep my non-free-software to the minimum. I use free drivers from intel and such... |
| 09:32.04 | FIQ | here's what I think: Windows is not über bad (if you don't count ME/Vista without any SP), but it has disadventages. I prefer Linux because it's free, virus free, easy to upgrade, and i love the package manager idea |
| 09:32.22 | ptl | tybollt: but you can't really blame them for trying. nvidia blobs are bad, but a whole closed SO is worse. |
| 09:32.23 | lupine_85 | so on my N900, what format should I be transcoding video /to/, in order to get acceptable playback? |
| 09:32.25 | ptl | s/SO/OS/ |
| 09:32.29 | nidO | i'd think perhaps you're doing something wrong then gouverneur. windows update on average updates your machine once a month, thats just a fact. |
| 09:32.31 | FIQ | but i wouldn't count me as a "Linux fanboy" |
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| 09:32.48 | gouverneur | lupine_85: raw? |
| 09:32.52 | tybollt | ptl: then all respect to you... I am too lazy... my TV computer is Win 7 because I couldn't be arsed to tinker for two years before starting to use it :) |
| 09:33.08 | FIQ | nid0, it sends fixes every tuesday iirc |
| 09:33.11 | nidO | no |
| 09:33.12 | lupine_85 | has it got the I/O throughput for that? |
| 09:33.15 | nidO | its one tuesday a month. |
| 09:33.25 | FIQ | except major security holes |
| 09:33.27 | FIQ | hm, ok |
| 09:33.35 | nidO | except for enormously urgent fixes, yes |
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| 09:33.37 | lupine_85 | surely, there must be /one/ codec that "just works" |
| 09:33.38 | nidO | which doesnt happen often |
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| 09:34.01 | FIQ | hm |
| 09:34.12 | FIQ | i will buy a 16GB sd card soon |
| 09:34.44 | ptl | tybollt: one of the main reasons for me to switch to N900 was to keep my closed software to the minimum. I don't mind paying extra for freedom. I even tried to import the freerunner a while ago but couldn't. And I bought my previous phone, with windows mobile, thinking it would be able to run android (there was a video of a very early beta android running on it on youtube). |
| 09:35.10 | FIQ | so i can play easily with alternate OSes for N900 |
| 09:35.15 | FIQ | :d |
| 09:35.17 | gouverneur | lupine_85: just anything you like! the format as long as not propriitary does not matter the size should fit the screen so there is no need to scale |
| 09:35.30 | FIQ | hm, btw |
| 09:35.31 | tybollt | ptl: I do not agree... The point is that graphics has direct access to memory and by that notion it can do whatever the hell it wants to your system, effectively a bug in your graphics driver can expose you to any number of root's. So in that sense - putting custom Nvidia blobs in your linux is about as bad as running Windows... you have NO IDEA what goes on with your machines (oh - same goes for N900 of course :) |
| 09:35.37 | lupine_85 | gouverneur: you miss my point. I get about 5-10fps with h.264 |
| 09:35.40 | FIQ | about the bootloader for N900 |
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| 09:36.00 | FIQ | wouldn't it be theoretical possible to boot from live sessions with it? |
| 09:36.06 | lupine_85 | it's lovely that it tries, but I'd rather have the video and audio in sync, and at the correct speed |
| 09:36.08 | FIQ | for example, from a sd card |
| 09:36.09 | gouverneur | lupine_85: I get about 29.8 fps... |
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| 09:36.28 | lupine_85 | with h.264? what resolution? |
| 09:36.31 | ptl | tybollt: yes, there's many points to it, technically-wise and such. I do consider them also, of course. But I do really matter about freedom and such. There's no use of having a device (computer, mobile phone or whatever) if it doesn't work at all. |
| 09:36.51 | gouverneur | lupine_85: 800x420 |
| 09:37.25 | Mece | what doesn't work now? |
| 09:37.41 | gouverneur | ptl: what is it with you? reflash your damn thing and stop installing devel apps! |
| 09:37.51 | tybollt | ptl: agreed :) |
| 09:37.57 | ptl | gouverneur: ??? |
| 09:37.59 | ptl | lol |
| 09:38.06 | FIQ | question: |
| 09:38.15 | tybollt | mece: discussing OSes. |
| 09:38.26 | ptl | gouverneur: what does this have to do with devel apps? |
| 09:38.26 | FIQ | why does the pacman take years to load? |
| 09:38.29 | gouverneur | ptl: have I overread something and yelling on the wrong guy? |
| 09:38.35 | FIQ | too many enabled repositories? |
| 09:38.39 | ptl | gouverneur: I think so! |
| 09:38.52 | tybollt | hehe poor ptl - everyone's dumping on him =) |
| 09:39.13 | FIQ | everytime i install something, the cache update takes more time than the install itself |
| 09:39.20 | ptl | :( |
| 09:39.32 | gouverneur | ptl: yeah some things do not work out that well for sure, I can easily crash my hildon-desktop with installing OMweather.... |
| 09:39.56 | tybollt | omweather is a biatch... |
| 09:39.58 | lupine_85 | ho de hum |
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| 09:40.07 | tybollt | "please promise to reboot your machine after instal" |
| 09:40.10 | tybollt | what the ...? |
| 09:40.18 | ptl | gouverneur: but i was not saying that my apps or my device don't work, I was talking about a hypothetical generic case... My N900 is very stable indeed. |
| 09:40.22 | FIQ | lol :P |
| 09:40.26 | gouverneur | FIQ: yes, and If you run out of / space you may deavtivate them and clean cache... |
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| 09:40.44 | gouverneur | ptl: ah generic... ok |
| 09:40.48 | gouverneur | ptl: sry |
| 09:41.00 | FIQ | i clean the cache often... |
| 09:41.17 | FIQ | just for preventing rootfs being full |
| 09:41.28 | gouverneur | FIQ: does not matter... the listings stay |
| 09:41.55 | FIQ | meh |
| 09:42.16 | gouverneur | disabling all unneeded repos frees up space you may need if your upgrade is stuck at some point |
| 09:42.52 | FIQ | rootfs 227.9M 192.9M 30.8M 86% / |
| 09:43.12 | FIQ | not that little space free |
| 09:43.44 | gouverneur | I tried to optify themes and stuff but somethings wrong with the setup there, even with all files moved I get another stby slider or background after reboot |
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| 09:44.59 | gouverneur | FIQ: PR1.0 needed +50MB afaik to install |
| 09:45.23 | FIQ | :( |
| 09:45.46 | FIQ | then the PR1.2 update will fail for now (when it get released) |
| 09:46.22 | Mece | FIQ, disabling extras, testing, and devel gives me about 19Mb |
| 09:46.37 | gouverneur | FIQ: you just disable the repos, update database and you should be fine (give it a try and have a look what happens with your free space if you disable all but nokias needed) |
| 09:46.50 | gouverneur | Mece: thats what I am talking about |
| 09:46.57 | FIQ | hm |
| 09:47.01 | FIQ | ok, i will try |
| 09:47.07 | lcuk | FIQ, go into ham manager and disable extras devel and testing and see how much extra space you gain instantly |
| 09:47.11 | Mece | is there an update out? |
| 09:47.20 | lcuk | not that i know of :D |
| 09:47.25 | gouverneur | Mece: nope |
| 09:47.32 | Mece | ok. |
| 09:48.09 | FIQ | uh |
| 09:48.14 | FIQ | O_o |
| 09:48.17 | FIQ | i have devel |
| 09:48.21 | FIQ | but not testing |
| 09:48.21 | gouverneur | but it keeps me showing one in ham with old version number and after apt-get upgrade (nothing installed or upgraded) it is gone |
| 09:49.03 | FIQ | rootfs 227.9M 176.8M 46.9M 79% / |
| 09:49.15 | gouverneur | here we go! |
| 09:49.20 | FIQ | when i disable extras, joikuspot, amsn, mozilla, devel |
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| 09:49.24 | FIQ | disabled* |
| 09:49.59 | gouverneur | amsn mozilla? |
| 09:50.43 | FIQ | amsn for... well, aMSN |
| 09:50.53 | FIQ | mozilla for fennec, i guess |
| 09:51.18 | gouverneur | ok |
| 09:51.49 | gouverneur | cause thats all in the normal repos (well not amsn but the plugins for it) |
| 09:53.32 | gouverneur | will skype get the cam inout? |
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| 10:14.08 | lupine_85 | installs the Qt SDK for a play |
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| 10:17.18 | KelloggsFrosties | hi folks. is this the right place to ask a question concerning programming qt ui for maemo (n900)? |
| 10:19.07 | mikhas | no |
| 10:19.17 | mikhas | but #qt-maemo might be |
| 10:19.32 | KelloggsFrosties | mikhas: thanks a lot! |
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| 10:24.59 | tybollt | mmmh frosties |
| 10:25.15 | tybollt | tilts heads backwards and drools plentifully |
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| 10:49.36 | corecode_ | i didn't find joikuspot |
| 10:49.45 | corecode_ | does it exist for maemo5? |
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| 10:51.31 | tybollt | yes |
| 10:51.52 | tybollt | corecode_: you have to look it up at joikusofts own homepage, it's not ina maemo repos |
| 10:52.37 | ccooke | Morning, all |
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| 10:54.30 | corecode_ | free or $$? |
| 10:54.52 | tybollt | free for now but it is still beta (and the quality is quite beta indeed |
| 10:54.54 | tybollt | ) |
| 10:55.46 | corecode_ | i see |
| 10:55.48 | corecode_ | thanks |
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| 10:57.03 | Khertan | Hi all ! |
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| 11:00.55 | Arif_ | yawns |
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| 11:14.07 | D-Iivil | Someone here who can see what's wrong with extras-devel -repo not putting builded .debs to the pool? |
| 11:14.39 | Sampppa_ | D-Iivil, it will take some time? |
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| 11:15.05 | Stskeeps | D-Iivil: look at the -developers list, there was a announcement re PR1.2 |
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| 11:15.17 | D-Iivil | Sammpa_: yeah, but now it's taking more than usually. Usually debs are appearing http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ here almost as soon as the build is success. |
| 11:15.31 | D-Iivil | Stskeeps, where to look? |
| 11:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | moroning |
| 11:15.44 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping |
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| 11:16.09 | Stskeeps | 2- Maemo 5 PR1.2 will ship with Extras enabled by default but will use |
| 11:16.10 | Stskeeps | distribution: fremantle-1.2 |
| 11:16.10 | Stskeeps | - 'older' devices will continue to fetch from distribution: fremantle |
| 11:16.10 | Stskeeps | - Autobuilder will be updated when PR1.2 is released and promotion will |
| 11:16.10 | Stskeeps | only happen to fremantle-1.2 |
| 11:16.11 | Stskeeps | This will effectively mean that the 'old' Extras will not get any updates. |
| 11:16.20 | hrw | ~curse badly venomrush for being #@%$@%@ - bug 6933 |
| 11:16.21 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, badly venomrush for being #@%$@%@ - bug 6933 ! |
| 11:16.21 | Jaffa | D-Iivil: Ah, hang on this is similar to what I wanted to ask X-Fade about: I've promoted something from -testing to Extras this morning and it's not moved anywhere yet |
| 11:16.22 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong |
| 11:16.27 | Jaffa | http://maemo.org/packages/view/catorise/ |
| 11:17.25 | hrw | can someone with a bit of free time look at bug 6933 and check it on device? |
| 11:18.10 | Jaffa | hrw: One bit of information which *may* be relevant is N900 timezone... |
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| 11:18.59 | Jaffa | hrw: But "TRIGGER;VALUE=DURATION:-PT1H45M" in the vcs seems fairly clear. |
| 11:19.18 | hrw | exactly |
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| 11:21.48 | Jaffa | hrw: What's the date of the event in the ICS? I just imported it and it showed me *no* alarm info at all |
| 11:22.13 | Ken-Young | Stskeeps, I checked a new version of my app (orrery) into Extras-testing last night, but of course I can't promote it to Extras without getting votes and sitting through quaraantine. Will I be able to promote it to Extras for 1.1, or is it already too late for that? |
| 11:22.49 | Stskeeps | no idea, ask X-Fade |
| 11:22.54 | D-Iivil | So at the moment it's not worth to upload anything to extras devel? |
| 11:23.01 | hrw | Jaffa: have to check it |
| 11:23.12 | Jaffa | hrw: found it - 2010-01-15 |
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| 11:25.28 | hrw | shit. in PR1.2 calendar I cannot find 'import' |
| 11:25.48 | X-Fade | Ken-Young: You are just in time if you hit promote now ;) |
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| 11:26.29 | X-Fade | D-Iivil: Sure it is. |
| 11:26.56 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Which package? |
| 11:27.26 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Catorise. 0.7.4 in Extras; promoted 0.8.0 from -Testing this morning, but repo hasn't changed (and so neither has /downloads/) |
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| 11:28.04 | D-Iivil | X-Fade: But packages aren't going to be imported to the pool at the moment? |
| 11:28.09 | Ken-Young | X-Fade, THanks - I hit promote last night, so it went from Devel to Testing, but of course I can't promote out of Testing until I go through QA and quarantine. |
| 11:28.31 | X-Fade | Ken-Young: That doesn't matter. Time of entry matters. |
| 11:28.48 | X-Fade | D-Iivil: They should. Nothing changed there. |
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| 11:29.20 | Ken-Young | X-Fade, Good. I've got some bug fixes in the new version, and I'd hate to have the 1.1 Extras version frozen with bugs. |
| 11:29.22 | D-Iivil | X-Fade: can you check what's wrong with these packages: d-theme-bright-blue, d-theme-bright-green, d-theme-bright-orange, d-theme-bright-pink |
| 11:29.34 | X-Fade | Ah, wait something is holding up the queue. |
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| 11:29.36 | D-Iivil | They got built just fine, but won't appear on extras-devel pool. |
| 11:30.07 | X-Fade | python-beautifulsoup promotion fails. |
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| 11:30.47 | pupnik | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7345/1.html NILFS filesystem for solid state drives. logs, versions, rollbackss |
| 11:31.07 | hrw | Jaffa: looks like I need to create test event for 2015 so it will be still ok before nokia decided to fix |
| 11:31.22 | X-Fade | Hmm again an app which has different version number on the filename from the one in control file. |
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| 11:32.59 | Jaffa | hrw: ;-) |
| 11:33.33 | D-Iivil | Btw does someone know if can update my SDK to 1.2 somehow easily? |
| 11:33.52 | D-Iivil | Would be nice to test out what needs to be changes with themes for PR1.2 |
| 11:33.57 | Jaffa | D-Iivil: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade works according to the release notes |
| 11:33.58 | hrw | D-Iivil: apt-get update/upgrade |
| 11:34.06 | Jaffa | D-Iivil: Obviously, they need to be fakeroot'ed. |
| 11:34.06 | Sampppa_ | with fakeroot |
| 11:34.09 | D-Iivil | Shall give it a try :) |
| 11:34.25 | Jaffa | did it this morning and Catorise doesn't die horribly with the new menu-reordering code |
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| 11:34.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: No, I've been using it for a while. Works fine. |
| 11:34.47 | Stskeeps | D-Iivil: i will need to upgrade the theme template on gitorious, i may have time tonight for doing it |
| 11:34.47 | Chikulinu__ | does PR1.2 released? |
| 11:34.54 | Jaffa | Chikulinu__: SDK is. |
| 11:35.06 | Jaffa | wonders if anyone's taken the ARMEL packages from the SDK and run them on device yet ;-) |
| 11:35.21 | Sampppa_ | i guess some people did already :) |
| 11:35.27 | nidO | MohammedAG tried at least |
| 11:35.27 | D-Iivil | Oh.. what file did I have to edit inside scratchbox to manually enter new network settings (ip, gateway etc)? |
| 11:35.37 | hrw | Jaffa: I did - had to reflash |
| 11:35.45 | Chikulinu__ | about the flash file? |
| 11:35.51 | D-Iivil | We got new router today and gateway changed and my scratchbox won't go online anymore :P |
| 11:36.00 | Chikulinu__ | I want to reflash my n900 |
| 11:36.07 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.14 | D-Iivil | Stskeeps, thanks! |
| 11:36.17 | X-Fade | Jaffa: catorise got through now. |
| 11:36.24 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool, ta |
| 11:36.36 | hrw | Jaffa: catorise 0.8.0 breaks pr1.2 sdk |
| 11:36.41 | Jaffa | hrw: Not IME |
| 11:36.58 | Jaffa | hrw: I tested this morning, reproduction instructions welcome on https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Catorise ;-) |
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| 11:37.16 | hrw | Jaffa: so far I just removed it from sdk - no time for more tests now |
| 11:37.19 | Jaffa | X-Fade: How long does it take for /downloads/ to get updated from the repo? |
| 11:37.27 | Jaffa | hrw: Can you define "break" a bit more then? |
| 11:37.28 | nidO | X-Fade: any idea what happened to libmikmod2, there's a bit of mud slinging going on in the gltron qa comments about it |
| 11:37.38 | Jaffa | hrw: I didn't have Catorise installed before upgrading... |
| 11:37.47 | X-Fade | Jaffa: up to 2x 30 mins. |
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| 11:38.03 | hrw | Jaffa: press tasks to get to list of categories, select 'all' |
| 11:38.08 | X-Fade | nidO: libmikmod2 is violating the packaging policy. |
| 11:38.29 | X-Fade | nidO: The files are named libmikmod and the control file talks about libmikmod2. |
| 11:38.29 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Right. These lags make releasing software really tedious btw, since updating changelog/screenshots has an indeterminate lag. |
| 11:38.34 | Jaffa | hrw: What happened? |
| 11:38.36 | nidO | ah |
| 11:38.41 | hrw | Jaffa: hildon-desktop crashed |
| 11:38.54 | hrw | wants maemo to use lintian... |
| 11:39.15 | Chikulinu__ | the PR1.2 .bin file will enabled to download after or as time PR1.2 wil be released? |
| 11:39.20 | Jaffa | hrw: Ah. |
| 11:39.31 | hrw | ~curse nokia so called developers |
| 11:39.32 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia so called developers ! |
| 11:39.32 | Jaffa | hrw: What apps have you got installed in the SDK? |
| 11:39.45 | hrw | Jaffa: different, strange etc ones |
| 11:39.51 | hrw | Jaffa: will pastebin dpkg -l |
| 11:39.55 | Jaffa | hrw: ta |
| 11:40.02 | X-Fade | Jaffa: There isn't much I can do, the package has to be visible to the world first. |
| 11:40.21 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Otherwise people will try to download the app and get an older version. |
| 11:40.37 | Shapeshifter | mh. has someone developed a desktop widget using python qt bindings before? I see an example qt desktop widget with some stuff in C++ needed to run it. are there even bindings for that stuff? |
| 11:40.51 | hrw | Jaffa: http://hrw.pastebin.com/Pbdju0Zq |
| 11:41.41 | Jaffa | hrw: ta |
| 11:41.42 | X-Fade | quick lunch before switching sdk on builder. |
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| 11:42.26 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed, but one could imagine stuff happening not in a background, scheduled, 30-mins process ;-) |
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| 11:48.17 | hrw | Jaffa: bug 6933 updated - can you check and confirm? |
| 11:48.18 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong |
| 11:48.48 | Jaffa | hrw: Will do |
| 11:48.52 | hrw | thx |
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| 11:50.05 | hrw | 15th January 2015 - nokia maemo5 calendar will still be affected by #6933 and I will have to dig in drawer of obsoleted devices just to update example event |
| 11:51.47 | D-Iivil | Anyone knows how can I pop out the virtual keyboard on SDK PR1.2? |
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| 11:52.23 | Jaffa | hrw: Confirmed. |
| 11:52.23 | D-Iivil | Nevermind, found the settings :) |
| 11:53.48 | hrw | gracias Jaffa |
| 11:54.29 | Jaffa | hrw: np |
| 11:54.38 | Jaffa | is in touting-for-votes mode ;-) |
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| 11:56.12 | hrw | Jaffa: votes where? |
| 11:56.13 | N900evil | with your delicious cakes? |
| 11:56.57 | D-Iivil | Some spammer has made it to talk.maemo.org: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=580093#post580093 |
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| 12:02.45 | D-Iivil | X-Fade: ping |
| 12:04.20 | Jaffa | hrw: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q1_2010 |
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| 12:06.05 | hrw | Jaffa: already voted |
| 12:06.25 | hrw | Jaffa: you were one of 3 people for which I voted |
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| 12:08.04 | Stskeeps | votes |
| 12:08.04 | X-Fade | D-Iivil: pong |
| 12:08.11 | D-Iivil | X-Fade: did you get that extras-devel queue sorted out? |
| 12:09.15 | Jaffa | hrw: ta :) |
| 12:10.30 | Stskeeps | has no idea what he has done to his Boxee but is pretty satisfied that it mutes the sound on hulu advertisements |
| 12:12.14 | Arif_ | adblock? :D |
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| 12:14.06 | X-Fade | D-Iivil: Should be ok now. |
| 12:14.19 | D-Iivil | X-Fade: so it seems, thanks :) |
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| 12:18.40 | odin_ | whois is tri@bcs.org.uk and what is his/her role ? |
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| 12:20.34 | hrw | good question |
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| 12:22.15 | hrw | ~seen venomrush |
| 12:22.16 | infobot | venomrush <~opera@188-221-102-245.zone12.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14d 13h 20m 53s ago, saying: 'to select the other mode'. |
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| 12:23.48 | Arif_ | D-Iivil, are you the one making those livilsteel themes? |
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| 12:25.13 | D-Iivil | Arit_ yes |
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| 12:25.23 | X-Fade | Ok, builder switched to PR1.2 SDK. |
| 12:26.02 | hrw | now half year for pr1.2 on devices |
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| 12:26.45 | X-Fade | Nah, it won't be that long. |
| 12:27.45 | D-Iivil | just voted :) Now it's a cigarette time! |
| 12:27.47 | hrw | no one knows |
| 12:29.21 | hrw | X-Fade: and do not say 'next week' - konttori told that 2 months ago |
| 12:30.04 | lcuk | whats the subject of the voting open email for the election |
| 12:30.06 | X-Fade | The only thing I can say is that SDK and firmware image versions tend to match, draw conclusions from that ;) |
| 12:30.24 | odin_ | is there a good 2 months round up on the state of Maemo ? |
| 12:30.39 | hrw | lcuk: Maemo Community Council election Q1 2010 |
| 12:30.42 | Arif_ | D-Iivil, cool..I really like those themes :D |
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| 12:31.30 | lcuk | thanks hrw |
| 12:31.43 | lcuk | the title on the actual page that requests the token is slightly different |
| 12:31.48 | lcuk | "elections" |
| 12:31.48 | D-Iivil | Arif_: :) I though you were gonna give some bad feedback :D Glad you like 'em. |
| 12:31.54 | lcuk | and gmail didnt find it \@ |
| 12:32.21 | Arif_ | D-Iivil, I don't ALWAYS complain.....just mostly :P |
| 12:32.26 | tybollt | ~seen infobot |
| 12:32.27 | infobot | tybollt: i haven't seen 'infobot' |
| 12:32.32 | D-Iivil | Arif_: good attitude ;) |
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| 12:34.48 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 12:35.04 | RST38h | X-Fade: Judging from the SDK screenshots there have not been many visible changes...True? |
| 12:35.16 | Arif_ | throws milk at RST38h |
| 12:35.34 | hrw | RST38h: yep |
| 12:35.40 | X-Fade | RST38h: No comment ;) |
| 12:36.20 | rmrfchik | as new sdk5 came out, i downloaded vmdk. And know what? It's the same old sdk. damn, 1.6 gig of crap. |
| 12:36.27 | Arif_ | already has an enhancement bug report when pr1.2 comes out :D |
| 12:36.38 | RST38h | X-Fade: At least tell me if the device still lights up when you plug it into the charger |
| 12:36.41 | D-Iivil | rmrfchik: run apt-get update / upgrade |
| 12:36.46 | RST38h | (which is damn annoying) |
| 12:36.46 | D-Iivil | inside the scratchbox |
| 12:36.48 | rmrfchik | full of enchancements |
| 12:36.58 | MiXu- | RST38h: Why is it annoying? |
| 12:37.16 | D-Iivil | rmrfchik: with fakeroot first |
| 12:37.19 | RST38h | MiXu: Because when I have the device locked (with the switch) I expect it to REMAIN locked. |
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| 12:37.26 | MiXu- | oh, that |
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| 12:37.37 | RST38h | MiXu: It should not unlock on its own when plugged in |
| 12:37.45 | MiXu- | true |
| 12:37.50 | X-Fade | RST38h: unlocks |
| 12:38.00 | RST38h | X-Fade: <sigh> :( |
| 12:38.06 | Arif_ | it does |
| 12:38.10 | Arif_ | :D |
| 12:38.26 | Arif_ | apparently they haven't done anything to the media player ={ |
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| 12:38.45 | MiXu- | What's wrong with the Media Player? :D |
| 12:38.49 | nidO | the upnp bug is apparently sorted, thats by *far* the biggest one for me |
| 12:38.56 | X-Fade | Arif_: How would you know? |
| 12:39.01 | D-Iivil | Don't really like the new virtual keyboard layout, but it's nice not to need skin the vkeyboard anymore since it seems to use stylus button style :) |
| 12:39.04 | RST38h | MiXu: Is there something that is RIGHT about it? |
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| 12:39.26 | Arif_ | X-Fade, MohammadAG's thread? |
| 12:39.30 | RST38h | Arif: Well they should have at least enabled the "Remove from playlist" option in the context menu |
| 12:39.40 | RST38h | Arif: If it is still not there.... mhm |
| 12:39.41 | MiXu- | I've been fooling around with it so long that maybe I'm blinded by it already |
| 12:39.50 | X-Fade | Arif_: Mediaplayer is not in SDK? |
| 12:39.55 | RST38h | MiXu: Try removing a song from the playlist. |
| 12:40.04 | RST38h | MiXu: ONCE song |
| 12:40.04 | Arif_ | X-Fade, no? I didn't know that |
| 12:40.07 | MiXu- | I don't use playlists :) |
| 12:40.07 | RST38h | One |
| 12:40.12 | Arif_ | gets hope again :) |
| 12:40.22 | RST38h | MiXu: Try playing a random file (as opposed to whatever Tracker lets you play) |
| 12:40.41 | Arif_ | wants a "search" button in the top menu |
| 12:40.42 | RST38h | MiXu: try invoking the UI while watching a long (>15min) video |
| 12:41.02 | RST38h | MiXU: Try using the desktop media player applet, see if it works after a few days of uptime |
| 12:41.22 | MiXu- | none of the desktop things work after a few days :) |
| 12:41.24 | RST38h | Funny thing is, I can actually continue with these =) |
| 12:41.31 | hrw | try to play album in normal (not random) order |
| 12:41.33 | hrw | etc etc etc |
| 12:41.38 | MiXu- | Even the shortcuts don't work. Or at least there's a horrible latency. |
| 12:41.47 | Arif_ | try repeating one item |
| 12:41.49 | Arif_ | =D |
| 12:41.56 | MiXu- | Why would i want to :) |
| 12:42.13 | Arif_ | no idea =D |
| 12:42.23 | Arif_ | oh and you can't send anything in the media player either |
| 12:42.30 | hrw | because chick which lies with you in bed asked you for it? |
| 12:42.48 | MiXu- | hrw: Then I can just replay it manually :) |
| 12:43.10 | MiXu- | If it's a 3 minute song, it'll be long enough. ;) |
| 12:43.15 | hrw | and agan and again? |
| 12:43.25 | hrw | easier to select one song to play in repeat |
| 12:43.30 | hrw | -> food |
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| 12:47.39 | rmrfchik | hmm, how to open virtual keyboard in "emulator"? |
| 12:48.22 | D-Iivil | rmrfchik: you first need to go to settings and enable it. |
| 12:48.35 | D-Iivil | I was wondering the same thing earlier :) |
| 12:48.45 | rmrfchik | I have only app manager |
| 12:49.03 | D-Iivil | rmrfchik: open menu, then settings and so on. |
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| 12:49.46 | rmrfchik | hmm... no network settings |
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| 13:16.42 | ptl | I wonder if yakuake or guake would compile and run in the N900? |
| 13:16.46 | ptl | How would they behave? |
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| 13:17.28 | Sho_ | yakuake would probably compile and run at this point, whether the window manager works well with it is another question though |
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| 13:20.22 | hrw | rather not |
| 13:20.27 | madduck | what is up with not being able to send contact cards? whether email, sms, or bluetooth, after I get asked about sending the avatar, *nothing* happens |
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| 13:20.32 | madduck | (this is with the n900) |
| 13:20.46 | hrw | mb-wm2 runs all windows as fullscreen ones |
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| 13:21.53 | tremby | hey folks. has anyone tried running MPD (Music Player Daemon) on Maemo? i have an N900. Google searches just turn up a bunch of posts about people having problems getting their N900s from what i assume is a shop or company called MPD... |
| 13:22.32 | bleader | you mean a mpd client or the real deamon ? |
| 13:22.53 | tremby | the daemon |
| 13:23.11 | tremby | i'm hating the music player which comes with it |
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| 13:23.49 | bleader | I haven't tried, just using the n900 with cutempc to control mpd at home |
| 13:24.05 | tremby | ok |
| 13:24.16 | thp | tremby: grab the debian source package and try to compile it in scratchbox |
| 13:24.58 | tremby | thp: any idea how much effort that'll be? to get dependencies and everything |
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| 13:25.52 | madduck | how else could i extract a contact from the n900? |
| 13:26.09 | wizkoder | hy everybody |
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| 13:27.04 | wizkoder | when I use libcrypto++ is there a way to get it running on the N900? Read the lib exists for arm architechture too but I can't find it with apt-get there |
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| 13:28.56 | thp | tremby: don't know - try it out. with some dependencies you can simply choose to disable the feature that depends on it. for other dependencies, you can simply grab them from debian again and recurse |
| 13:29.27 | tremby | yeah it's the recursing that i'm worried about -- i haven't done this before and it sounds like it could be a rabbit hole... |
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| 13:29.53 | tremby | but if i have a spare few hours later maybe i'll give it a go |
| 13:30.13 | tremby | is there a guide somewhere for building things in scratchbox? |
| 13:30.15 | X-Fade | thp: You should now be able to use the sharing-dialogs etc on the builder. |
| 13:30.22 | tybollt | mmmmh rabbit, glazed w/ honey and butter... grilled to perfection in a preheated oven... *drools* |
| 13:30.29 | thp | looking at "apt-cache depends mpd" it does not look so bad. simply disable faad/flac/jack/mikmod/... |
| 13:30.41 | thp | X-Fade: awesome! thanks :) |
| 13:32.59 | tremby | thp: ok, i'll give it a go. thanks. |
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| 13:35.34 | D-Iivil | Anyone having problems with SDK 1.2 browser crashing after typing the address and pressing enter? |
| 13:36.08 | Stskeeps | that's a problem in Xephyr i think.. |
| 13:36.12 | D-Iivil | Actually it seems to crash even when clicking any of the default bookmark. |
| 13:36.13 | Stskeeps | or Xorg |
| 13:36.31 | D-Iivil | Would be nice to see how browser is changed and so on. |
| 13:36.45 | D-Iivil | App manager also won't find anything to install after upgrading the sdk. |
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| 13:38.36 | thp | X-Fade: so the pre-1.2 fremantle autobuilder has already been deactivated, right? |
| 13:38.59 | D-Iivil | thp: not deactivated, it's activated I suppose. |
| 13:39.04 | X-Fade | thp: Yes, it only builds against PR1.2 (update5) now. |
| 13:40.20 | TigerTael | D-Iivil, I don't get this problem. |
| 13:40.32 | hrw | X-Fade: apps which are in extras will get rebuilt and will get version bumped? |
| 13:40.50 | X-Fade | hrw: No. |
| 13:40.51 | D-Iivil | TigerTael: Damn... even restarting the Xephyr didn't fix it for me. |
| 13:41.01 | hrw | X-Fade: so expect apps which do not work in 1.2 |
| 13:41.08 | D-Iivil | X-Fade: but apps in extras are still installable from there? |
| 13:41.10 | X-Fade | hrw: Basically everything runs when going from 1.1 to 1.2 |
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| 13:41.23 | hrw | X-Fade: qt4.5 ones too? |
| 13:41.24 | D-Iivil | X-Fade: I mean what will happen to "old" extras -repo? |
| 13:41.29 | X-Fade | hrw: Yes. |
| 13:41.30 | tekojo | hrw yes |
| 13:41.40 | tekojo | hrw we have tried a bunch of those |
| 13:41.49 | X-Fade | Quite a lot actually ;) |
| 13:41.55 | hrw | ok |
| 13:42.20 | X-Fade | D-Iivil: It will remain there, but static. |
| 13:42.26 | hrw | I had to uninstall many apps when tried to upgrade n900 to 1.2/sdk packages but I have testing+devel apps |
| 13:42.46 | D-Iivil | X-Fade: okay, so it will be visible for end users as it has been now and all the apps etc can be seen via app manager? Cool then :) |
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| 13:43.38 | X-Fade | D-Iivil: yes, only from the point we switch of the promotion for it, it will remain as it is at that point in time. |
| 13:44.09 | X-Fade | We can safely allow promotions for another 9 days ;) |
| 13:44.30 | MohammadAG | <D-Iivil> Actually it seems to crash even when clicking any of the default bookmark. |
| 13:44.34 | MohammadAG | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:44.45 | madduck | this really sucks, I cannot get a contact off my device. |
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| 13:44.53 | MohammadAG | fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade * |
| 13:45.05 | Arif_ | madduck, export and send with petrovich? |
| 13:45.11 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG: thanks, will try it :) |
| 13:45.14 | madduck | how do i export? |
| 13:45.21 | madduck | Arif_: ^ |
| 13:45.24 | MohammadAG | tap menu bar |
| 13:45.29 | MohammadAG | title bar* |
| 13:45.33 | MohammadAG | and export |
| 13:45.35 | Arif_ | should be an option to export contacts |
| 13:45.44 | madduck | oh, all contats |
| 13:45.50 | Arif_ | when you poke the top |
| 13:45.59 | madduck | found it |
| 13:46.04 | madduck | thanks for the pointer |
| 13:47.07 | redeeman | wtf |
| 13:47.13 | redeeman | my N900 just shut off |
| 13:47.26 | Arif_ | turn it back on |
| 13:47.38 | hd1 | mine just spontaneously rebooted as well |
| 13:47.58 | hd1 | wonders if something more sinister is going on |
| 13:47.59 | Arif_ | mine says 14:49 |
| 13:48.01 | redeeman | it won't turn on - it shows the logo, the thingie to progress, then off |
| 13:48.13 | Arif_ | congrats |
| 13:48.15 | Arif_ | you bricked it |
| 13:48.18 | MohammadAG | mine rebooted now |
| 13:48.23 | redeeman | by reading an email? |
| 13:48.33 | hd1 | yay, redeeman! :) |
| 13:48.36 | MohammadAG | (just stirring up a Y2K rumor, ignore that :P) |
| 13:48.53 | Arif_ | redeeman, gotta love Nokia software :D |
| 13:48.55 | hrw | MohammadAG: 1.1.1 or manually forced to 1.2/sdk? |
| 13:49.12 | redeeman | hd1: did yours really reboot? |
| 13:49.18 | hd1 | MohammadAG: oh, no... I was stirring up an evil-eu theory |
| 13:49.26 | hd1 | redeeman: aye |
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| 13:49.44 | hd1 | but, to be perfectly honest, I did force the issue |
| 13:49.58 | redeeman | when it turns off, it fades the led |
| 13:50.20 | Arif_ | has anyone noticed that when the phone turns off the led is less blue then when it turns on? |
| 13:50.22 | MohammadAG | hrw, jk, but I'm on PR1.1.1 |
| 13:50.22 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 13:50.54 | MohammadAG | Arif_, cause it's white |
| 13:51.03 | Arif_ | thats not white |
| 13:51.26 | Arif_ | looks like blue .... |
| 13:52.01 | GuySoft | hi all, is there a way to get SIP going on a nokia n810? whats the best client? |
| 13:52.18 | MohammadAG | PatternPowerOff=10;3;0;rgb;9d80400001ff43ff7f007f00c000;9d800000 Arif_ |
| 13:52.26 | MohammadAG | white |
| 13:52.31 | hrw | GuySoft: internal one is enough |
| 13:52.35 | Arif_ | Nokia has a weird sense of white then |
| 13:52.35 | hd1 | pops the battery out |
| 13:52.44 | hrw | GuySoft: run controlpanel -> accounts and add SIP there |
| 13:52.46 | GuySoft | hrw, i can't seem to get it to make calls |
| 13:52.55 | hd1 | wtf man... now, the bloody thing won't turn on?!? :) |
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| 13:53.03 | Arif_ | lol |
| 13:53.04 | hrw | GuySoft: I have same problem with one operator |
| 13:53.07 | MohammadAG | Arif_, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/RGB_illumination.jpg |
| 13:53.11 | Khertan | Hello again |
| 13:53.32 | TigerTael | hrw, haha, yeah, I remember when I took the battery out with the USB plugged in. |
| 13:53.52 | Arif_ | yeah,but white doesn't look like white on the N900 LED |
| 13:53.55 | redeeman | hd1: i made mien turn on now |
| 13:53.56 | hrw | TigerTael: ? |
| 13:54.02 | redeeman | by inserting to charger |
| 13:54.10 | redeeman | then waited ~4 min |
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| 13:54.14 | hd1 | haha redeeman |
| 13:54.21 | redeeman | but it was not out of power |
| 13:54.26 | TigerTael | hrw, soz I meant hd1. |
| 13:54.26 | redeeman | i had just recharged it this morning |
| 13:54.39 | hd1 | oh i thought it was out of power sorry |
| 13:55.05 | redeeman | well in case it was, it would have used the power in a few hours, and the indicator would have been broken |
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| 13:55.28 | hd1 | Tiger: I'm just a right git, what can i say? |
| 13:55.37 | GuySoft | hrw, nevermind, got it :) |
| 13:55.42 | TigerTael | ah ;/ |
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| 13:56.52 | hd1 | serious query, though, seeing much grumblings about maemo 6, is this a reality yet? |
| 13:57.18 | TigerTael | The grumblings sure are a reality... |
| 13:59.06 | hd1 | Tiger: to be sure, but is maemo 6? |
| 13:59.26 | TigerTael | maemo 6 will be an iteration of Meego. |
| 13:59.41 | TigerTael | And not actually called Maemo 6. |
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| 14:05.42 | MarcusM | Heya |
| 14:07.26 | tigert | hey thp |
| 14:09.37 | X-Fade | t-tan: fiasco-gen only for armel? |
| 14:09.44 | MohammadAG | is upgrading to Ubuntu 10.04 beta |
| 14:10.55 | t-tan | X-Fade: I guess I'll make all packages armel-only. |
| 14:11.01 | Arif_ | runs windows update |
| 14:11.07 | Arif_ | aww..no updates ;( |
| 14:11.16 | MarcusM | wonders when Linux Mint will have 10.04 |
| 14:11.33 | X-Fade | t-tan: Does it actually make sense to make an i386 version? |
| 14:12.19 | t-tan | X-Fade: I don't think so. if someone wants to build kernel modules they can use the Nokia kernel headers |
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| 14:12.58 | X-Fade | t-tan: Yeah, but anyway, device specific modules won't run on i386. |
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| 14:14.30 | t-tan | X-Fade: yep. If at all i386 kernel-headers would only be for convenience, which true kernel hackers don't need... |
| 14:16.36 | MohammadAG | just found out why Joikuspot didn't work for him, custom linux kernel |
| 14:16.44 | MohammadAG | it uses some bouncer.ko file |
| 14:16.47 | hrw | GuySoft: what was wrong? |
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| 14:19.53 | t-tan | MohammadAG: is it some proprietary binary module? |
| 14:20.18 | X-Fade | t-tan: no, source is on their site. |
| 14:20.20 | MohammadAG | kernel module, seems like it |
| 14:20.31 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, where? |
| 14:20.47 | firestorm | i love the n900, got mine on monday and it's brillant :D mates the g1 look crap |
| 14:20.59 | X-Fade | http://www.joikusoft.com/GPL/ |
| 14:21.16 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, thanks |
| 14:21.48 | MarcusM | firestorm: Good to hear that. I'm trying to save up for one. Probably got it within the next month. |
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| 14:26.18 | t-tan | X-Fade: did I just build the first PR1.2 extras package? |
| 14:26.40 | X-Fade | t-tan: Looks like it. |
| 14:26.52 | N900evil | firestorm, yes. |
| 14:27.41 | t-tan | cool. it's always good to start with essential things.. :) |
| 14:27.46 | MohammadAG | t-tan, are you titan? |
| 14:27.56 | firestorm | quick question, installing a file from maemo.org whats best way of installing it on my phone via x term or via the app manager? |
| 14:27.58 | t-tan | MohammadAG: yes |
| 14:28.31 | MohammadAG | t-tan, tsk tsk, looks like I don't need to tell you about joikuspot in the thread |
| 14:28.46 | MohammadAG | stopped writing the reply lol |
| 14:32.42 | GuySoft | hrw, some proxy setting on the sip |
| 14:33.10 | t-tan | MohammadAG: does it work if you copy the module to the custom modules directory? |
| 14:33.42 | MohammadAG | t-tan, I'll check, reflashed my N900 yesterday and was looking for what Joikuspot installs |
| 14:33.49 | firestorm | any one? |
| 14:33.49 | MohammadAG | then found the .ko file |
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| 14:33.55 | MohammadAG | installing the kernel now |
| 14:34.16 | N900evil | hmm |
| 14:34.27 | t-tan | MohammadAG: I could add it to the kernel in the next version... |
| 14:34.45 | N900evil | firefox on device with all-in-one mousegestures works ok. |
| 14:35.03 | N900evil | well - using the device as a displ6 |
| 14:35.06 | N900evil | ay |
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| 14:36.10 | MohammadAG | t-tan, I'll check in a bit, this 18.4kB/s 2min0s isn't helping |
| 14:36.35 | MohammadAG | get about 600 from the Ubuntu repos, not sure why |
| 14:42.31 | toggles_w | n8? |
| 14:43.19 | MohammadAG | t-tan, rebooting |
| 14:43.21 | firestorm | can u download a .install file from command line pakg? |
| 14:43.43 | MohammadAG | t-tan, may I ask why the kernel is in non-free? |
| 14:43.52 | MohammadAG | firestorm, you can use wget to download files in terminal |
| 14:44.12 | MohammadAG | cat to see the contents |
| 14:44.21 | MohammadAG | nano or vi to add the repo, and apt-get to install it |
| 14:44.34 | firestorm | trying to download rootsh throguh app manager and not happening |
| 14:44.38 | t-tan | MohammadAG: it was till today because it depends on non-free sd-fiasco-gen, which was missing on autobuilder |
| 14:44.42 | firestorm | got the .install file on the phone allready |
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| 14:45.50 | MohammadAG | t-tan, so it's in free now? |
| 14:45.52 | X-Fade | t-tan: Shall I remove the non-fre one now? |
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| 14:46.34 | t-tan | X-Fade: please keep it for the < PR1.2 people |
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| 14:46.59 | X-Fade | t-tan: I think it will work on < 1.2 too? |
| 14:47.12 | t-tan | MohammadAG: the latest version 17 is in free, it's the same as version 14 in non-free |
| 14:47.19 | X-Fade | t-tan: fiasco gen was in 1.1 already? |
| 14:47.32 | firestorm | or does it nto work like that MohammadAG ? |
| 14:47.53 | t-tan | X-Fade: yes, it already works. but if it's only in fremantle1.2 some people can't install it, correct? |
| 14:48.09 | MohammadAG | firestorm, what fw you on? |
| 14:48.15 | X-Fade | t-tan: No, extras-devel and testing have no specific repo. |
| 14:48.21 | X-Fade | t-tan: only extras will have one. |
| 14:48.22 | firestorm | latest one :p let me check |
| 14:48.34 | t-tan | X-Fade: but autobuilder was PR1.0, you should know :) |
| 14:48.49 | firestorm | 2.2009.51-1.203.2... |
| 14:49.03 | nidO | srsly. whats the chance of getting a themes category back for the repos? :< |
| 14:49.03 | MohammadAG | that's not the latest one |
| 14:49.05 | X-Fade | t-tan: Yes, but extras-devel is considered unstable anyway. |
| 14:49.28 | t-tan | X-Fade: ok, I see. then please remove it as soon as the free one is imported |
| 14:49.44 | firestorm | ah, the phone did a massive update when i connected to net etc. |
| 14:50.04 | X-Fade | t-tan: free one is already visible in packages. |
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| 14:50.31 | t-tan | X-Fade: ok, I was just checking the webpage |
| 14:50.46 | tybollt | god damn mother f***** |
| 14:50.49 | firestorm | were can i et latest one from? |
| 14:51.08 | tybollt | OOo ate itself after editing a long doco and it managed to corrupt the saved copy |
| 14:51.15 | tybollt | GOD FSCWERIOQFJKIOQIW DAMNIT |
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| 14:51.50 | Stskeeps | vim++ |
| 14:51.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:51.59 | mgedmin | version control too |
| 14:53.00 | tybollt | ja, really, every emacs, LeX and vim user should dance on my grave right now - I deserve it :) |
| 14:53.15 | Stskeeps | LaTeX |
| 14:53.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:53.35 | firestorm | were can i get latest firmware from then |
| 14:54.13 | andrewfblack | thinks some theme designers need to learn Quality over Quantity |
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| 14:54.41 | nidO | MOAR COLOURS! |
| 14:55.43 | MohammadAG | t-tan, the JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko file is in /usr/bin |
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| 14:57.48 | Khertan | firestorm: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 14:58.11 | MohammadAG | or use HAM (app manager) to update |
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| 15:00.07 | firestorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.19 | firestorm | i guess that the latest version? |
| 15:00.23 | Khertan | yep |
| 15:00.25 | tybollt | yes |
| 15:00.29 | tybollt | 1.1.1 |
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| 15:00.56 | MohammadAG | Firehand, |
| 15:01.10 | MohammadAG | umm sorry, meant to highlight firestorm |
| 15:01.12 | firestorm | lets run the good old ap manager n see what it comes up with |
| 15:01.23 | madduck | is it not possible to associate an existing contact with My Information on the n900? |
| 15:01.25 | MohammadAG | that will remove everything except MyDocs |
| 15:01.28 | MohammadAG | be sure to backup |
| 15:01.43 | firestorm | there is nothing on it lol i've not got that far setting it up :p |
| 15:02.32 | firestorm | gutted it don't sync with the ovi website either, would been so easier importnating contacts from g1 |
| 15:02.37 | MohammadAG | this is new |
| 15:02.39 | MohammadAG | NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! |
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| 15:03.30 | andrewfblack | does it make me an A Hole or a Prick for not sharing Bug Fixes for theme with theme designers I don't like? |
| 15:03.41 | Khertan | nope :=) |
| 15:04.01 | andrewfblack | good |
| 15:04.11 | Khertan | and not also to publish your theme on your own repository instead of maemo extras |
| 15:04.12 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:04.22 | Khertan | but noone will like you here |
| 15:04.26 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:04.54 | andrewfblack | Khertan: you hiding stuff in your own repo now? |
| 15:05.00 | hrw | flashing eMMC is only for those who got their n900 in amsterdam |
| 15:05.13 | firestorm | hmm intresting, over wireless it can't find no update but over 3g it does |
| 15:05.25 | firestorm | rated |
| 15:05.27 | Khertan | andrewfblack: yes ... i've created my own repository ... |
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| 15:05.36 | madduck | oh nokia, your N900 cannot sync with the E71 |
| 15:05.46 | Khertan | andrewfblack: i'm just waiting that all my packages are remove from the maemo one |
| 15:05.51 | firestorm | £not enough battery power to install Maemo update. start charingw not and try again" yet i've got half batterty |
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| 15:06.12 | Khertan | as ham ignore application that are in extras ... even if version is newer in external repository |
| 15:06.15 | madduck | all contacts always get copied both ways, leading to exponential growth of your address book |
| 15:06.33 | slackmagic | MohammadAG: ever came across someone purchasing a n900 in the USA and where the fm transmitter didn't work? No matter what I have done, it simply appears it's working but it's not transmitting. Anyways, the n900 is going back for a replacement, hopefully that will fix it but was just wondering :) |
| 15:06.46 | andrewfblack | Khertan: bad Khertan lol how are you getting them removed from extras? |
| 15:06.55 | MohammadAG | slackmagic, I got it from the US |
| 15:07.18 | slackmagic | MohammadAG: and your fm transmitter is working right? |
| 15:07.20 | Khertan | andrewfblack: but i ll finish to implement syntax hilighting theme in pygtkeditor ... but i think i ll stop maemo development after that |
| 15:07.27 | MohammadAG | FMTX works, but even frequencies are blocked (xx.2/4/6/8/0) |
| 15:07.44 | MohammadAG | slackmagic, is it disabled? |
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| 15:07.49 | andrewfblack | Wait you getting out of Maemo development?!!! |
| 15:07.59 | andrewfblack | I thought you were just moving stuff to new repo? |
| 15:08.00 | slackmagic | MohammadAG: that's what I was wondering, but even if it stated it was in enabled mode, it still wouldn't work |
| 15:08.02 | Khertan | andrewfblack: ask to the mailing list ... be blamed for that many and many times .... then ask again ... |
| 15:08.37 | Khertan | then delete your garage account ... as some guys say ... yes but it s a lot of work ... and if you upload package again to extras ? |
| 15:08.54 | slackmagic | wonders on a sidenote what kind of screen protector/case protector to get when the replacement n900 arrives. He might as well just protect it from the get-go |
| 15:09.21 | Khertan | andrewfblack: i don't know yet ... but to be honest ... this story pissing me of ... so i ll probably do development for me |
| 15:09.39 | MohammadAG | slackmagic, I mean disabled from the software side, as in not allowed in your country/state |
| 15:09.44 | firestorm | there was a nice case on the fourms slackmagic lookd nice n leather!!! from china 40 od $ |
| 15:09.44 | Khertan | andrewfblack: but don't know yet if i ll do it available ... |
| 15:10.00 | andrewfblack | Khertan: Some of your things like py2deb have meant alot to me |
| 15:10.16 | Khertan | andrewfblack: thx |
| 15:10.25 | slackmagic | MohammadAG: i read about that, but I flashed, I reflashed, still wasn't working, and since I've read of so many that it should be working when purchased in the US, I figured it's probably just my phone |
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| 15:11.02 | Khertan | andrewfblack: it ll still be available on my own repository ... but there ll be no evolution |
| 15:11.14 | MohammadAG | well if the new one doesn't work download and install fmtx-faker, should enable disabled ones and enable all frequencies for US ones |
| 15:11.17 | slackmagic | firestorm: yes there are some that are really nice. I'm more like interested in those that you put onto your phone like the zagg invisshield, heard good and bad things about it though...perhaps someone might have found a better solution in regards to that |
| 15:11.28 | MohammadAG | hopefully it comes working out of the box :) |
| 15:11.35 | Khertan | andrewfblack: can i suggest you to use pypackager ... this one is still maintained |
| 15:11.48 | slackmagic | MohammadAG: yep, hoping for that. Will ship it off today and go back playing on my G1 rofl |
| 15:11.49 | Khertan | and have some feature that py2deb didn't have |
| 15:12.28 | andrewfblack | Khertan: ok |
| 15:12.54 | Khertan | there isn't many change to migrate script to use pypackager instead of py2deb ... |
| 15:13.07 | Khertan | but i must write a tutorial ... :) |
| 15:13.18 | Khertan | i ll try to found some motivation to do it soon |
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| 15:13.32 | firestorm | yer i'm scared of dropping it or denting it n cracking casing!!!!! in my line of work not the best phone |
| 15:14.04 | tybollt | firestorm: you work as ..? |
| 15:14.22 | firestorm | well i'm in i.t |
| 15:14.22 | andrewfblack | I'm about to go back to using pypackager again because I'm am not happy with having extra building my themes for me, I would rather just upload the already prepared theme. |
| 15:14.31 | firestorm | but i do banger racing so playing with cars all the time etc. etc. |
| 15:14.40 | firestorm | also cracked G1 screen on the go kart track i work at!!!! |
| 15:14.52 | nidO | tip 1: dont take your delicate expensive phone with you when you're banger racing. |
| 15:15.18 | nidO | tip 2: if you have to ignore 1, buy a moto droid |
| 15:15.29 | tybollt | oh? |
| 15:15.36 | tybollt | the moto droid is a sturdy piece then? |
| 15:15.46 | nidO | the screen's made of gorilla glass |
| 15:15.49 | firestorm | it's not that normally put it on roof of car on in the van etc |
| 15:15.57 | tybollt | nidO: gorilla? :S |
| 15:15.57 | nidO | you could utterly destroy the rest of the device before even scratching the screen |
| 15:16.04 | firestorm | will just have to be carefull it's insured :p |
| 15:16.15 | nidO | its essentially indestructable unscratchable glass made by Corning |
| 15:16.46 | tybollt | god knows the N900 glass is not indistructable... I know first hand :D |
| 15:17.01 | N900evil | what did you do? |
| 15:17.02 | nidO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY |
| 15:17.04 | nidO | worth a look |
| 15:17.41 | Khertan | andrewfblack: pypackager can do in his last version create the debian package, create the source package ... or the both :) |
| 15:18.08 | andrewfblack | Khertan: nice |
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| 15:18.12 | [Anti] | hi there |
| 15:18.47 | tybollt | N900evil: oh I slipped on an iceptch w/ the device in my hand. My hand took the bulk of the blow but there was a major scratch on the glass of the phone - though right next to the speaker on the black shitz so not really visible |
| 15:19.07 | N900evil | ah |
| 15:19.13 | [Anti] | what can i do, if ./configure and compilation "freezing" some times in SDK? |
| 15:19.21 | dmj726_n9001 | it is plastic actually |
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| 15:20.29 | firestorm | yaya firmware updated!! |
| 15:20.35 | spectre- | joikuspot is so awesome |
| 15:20.40 | spectre- | totally worth $10 |
| 15:21.00 | Arif_ | isnt it 20$ |
| 15:21.18 | tybollt | dmj726_n9001: no, the screen is glass |
| 15:21.30 | MarcusM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.34 | MohammadAG | Arif_, 7 euros (when I bought it) |
| 15:21.38 | [Anti] | MarcusM, yes |
| 15:21.50 | [Anti] | but i need to finish it ;) |
| 15:22.02 | [Anti] | and i want to know reason of freezing ;) |
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| 15:23.10 | MarcusM | BTW: In general, how is the battery life of the n900 compared to other modern smartphones/normal phones. |
| 15:23.32 | cehteh | is wesnoth useable on the n900? |
| 15:23.33 | Arif_ | below average |
| 15:23.36 | nidO | compared to highend smartphones, reasonably comparable ish |
| 15:23.43 | MohammadAG | MarcusM, one word? crap |
| 15:23.43 | nidO | compared to normal phones, utterly woeful |
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| 15:23.54 | KMFDM | it depends on use |
| 15:23.55 | tybollt | MarcusM: can't compare... but battery life is about a full day, you always charge it overnight, sometimes even intraday. |
| 15:24.00 | MohammadAG | compared to the 5800, not so much |
| 15:24.00 | cehteh | MarcusM: you can suck all juice out in 4 hours .. or it can last 1 week when idle |
| 15:24.09 | KMFDM | if you are on 3g |
| 15:24.11 | MohammadAG | but yeah, ti depends on use |
| 15:24.12 | KMFDM | 7 hours max |
| 15:24.13 | dmj726_n9001 | it's about average as far as smartphones, but way shorter thana dumbphone |
| 15:24.14 | nidO | wish I could see a week :< |
| 15:24.24 | KMFDM | if you are only on wireless network |
| 15:24.24 | MarcusM | cehteh: While idle, would that be with sms? (: |
| 15:24.25 | cehteh | common is anything inbetwen .. means you get a workday of moderate use |
| 15:24.25 | dmj726_n9001 | 6+ hours here |
| 15:24.26 | KMFDM | then a day |
| 15:24.41 | MarcusM | Doesn't the battery get ruined by all that charging? |
| 15:24.43 | MohammadAG | wonders when he'll see nuclear batteries |
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| 15:24.44 | Arif_ | the battery is hit and miss for me |
| 15:24.47 | Arif_ | sometimes it lasts 3 days |
| 15:24.50 | Arif_ | sometimes 10 hours |
| 15:24.51 | Arif_ | :D |
| 15:24.53 | MarcusM | Hah :p |
| 15:24.58 | tybollt | did anyone actually ge that extended battery? |
| 15:25.11 | MohammadAG | it lasts me a school day with 3G on |
| 15:25.12 | cehteh | my battery still does well despite a lot recharges, and the batteries are not that expensive |
| 15:25.16 | tybollt | the silly one w/out the cam door? |
| 15:25.22 | MohammadAG | school day + another 4 hours with 3G off |
| 15:25.22 | nidO | the device really should have a 1500mah battery minimum :< |
| 15:25.25 | pupnik | a non-backlit screen and a 2000mah battery please please nokia |
| 15:25.25 | KMFDM | MohammadAG, i have to charge at school or my battery dies ont he way home |
| 15:25.26 | cehteh | but i'd really liked a battery with 50% more |
| 15:25.44 | MarcusM | KMFDM: So what do you use your phone for? |
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| 15:25.46 | d14_ | MohammadAG: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/07/tiny-nuclear-battery.html |
| 15:25.47 | d14_ | :)) |
| 15:25.49 | tybollt | cehteh: there is that mugen batt, tried it? |
| 15:25.53 | cehteh | pupnik: yeah turning backlight completely off should be an option |
| 15:26.02 | cehteh | tybollt: nah i want standard size |
| 15:26.10 | Arif_ | the N900 already is a brick |
| 15:26.13 | KMFDM | MarcusM, during the day at school my normal use is idling on irc |
| 15:26.16 | Arif_ | Muge doesn't do it any good :D |
| 15:26.18 | pupnik | i was hoping some form of oled with 1/2 the drain cehteh |
| 15:26.19 | MohammadAG | pull the backlight ribbon |
| 15:26.23 | cehteh | the mugen is way too big and expensive, no cam slider, and so on |
| 15:26.26 | KMFDM | and reading powerpoint presentations and pdfs |
| 15:26.32 | KMFDM | from instructors during class |
| 15:26.33 | cehteh | pupnik: oled is crap |
| 15:26.36 | MarcusM | KMFDM: And only that makes it drain the life energy? Hmm. |
| 15:26.45 | KMFDM | MarcusM, yes because im connected to 3g |
| 15:26.53 | KMFDM | the phone doesn't like my school's network |
| 15:26.56 | MarcusM | What if you used Wifi only? |
| 15:26.56 | MohammadAG | I'm not worried about the slider or the price, but camkeyd won't work with the mugen bat |
| 15:27.01 | pupnik | cehteh: the only problem i know is lifespan |
| 15:27.01 | tybollt | cehteh: so do I, guess we will continue dreamin then ;D |
| 15:27.02 | MarcusM | Does that make a difference? |
| 15:27.03 | cehteh | pupnik: since oled must be active and overshine sun and other bright light it means you waste a lot energy |
| 15:27.06 | KMFDM | MarcusM, yes a huge one |
| 15:27.11 | MarcusM | Oh I see. |
| 15:27.14 | KMFDM | battery lasts AT LEAST 3 times as long on wifi |
| 15:27.26 | KMFDM | assuming you don't watch video |
| 15:27.35 | KMFDM | multimedia use drains it pretty quickly too |
| 15:27.37 | cehteh | while the n900 display is transreflexive and works pretty well in sunlight without backlight |
| 15:27.50 | cehteh | gps draws too |
| 15:27.57 | MohammadAG | Wfif lasts me 12 hours |
| 15:27.57 | Arif_ | listening to internet radio lasts quite long suprisingly though |
| 15:28.05 | Arif_ | over 3G that is.. |
| 15:28.33 | Hoxzer_ | :) I prefer fm |
| 15:28.38 | Arif_ | the connection drops an awful lot though, they should fix that |
| 15:28.40 | cehteh | MarcusM: you cant get good estimates, the powersaving works pretty well, and the cpu is quite powerfull when running it extremely much depends on your use |
| 15:28.45 | firestorm | MohammadAG: firmware done now :) |
| 15:28.50 | tybollt | hmmm gorilla glass -nice there :) |
| 15:29.05 | Arif_ | Hoxzer_, no Turkish FM channels in .nl |
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| 15:29.05 | Arif_ | :p |
| 15:29.09 | MarcusM | cehteh: I just guess it's gonna make a _huge_ difference compared to my current w810i which can last a week. |
| 15:29.10 | MarcusM | :P |
| 15:29.13 | tybollt | they had me at the guy wearing a mustache and a set of protective goggles :D |
| 15:29.25 | tybollt | looked real scientistish :D |
| 15:29.40 | Arif_ | MarcusM, worst case scenerio is 6 hours |
| 15:29.40 | MohammadAG | with little/moderate use |
| 15:29.44 | MohammadAG | once I forgot overnight, connected to all IM servers with wifi |
| 15:29.44 | MohammadAG | forgot it* |
| 15:29.44 | MohammadAG | and it had 25% or so when I woke up |
| 15:29.44 | Arif_ | the best is a working day |
| 15:29.45 | Arif_ | :P |
| 15:29.46 | Hoxzer_ | i wish they would improve the fm radio by making it ablr to automatically look for new channrl when old one dies |
| 15:29.51 | cehteh | MarcusM: i keep mine plugged in at home to have it charged when i leave the house |
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| 15:30.05 | MohammadAG | 4* |
| 15:30.07 | ShadowJK | tybollt, my extended battery for n900 arrived just now |
| 15:30.08 | cehteh | and when i really do a lot with it it lasts less than 5 hours |
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| 15:30.15 | tybollt | ShadowJK: mugen? |
| 15:30.20 | Arif_ | Hoxzer_, its called RDS? |
| 15:30.35 | ShadowJK | tybollt, yeah |
| 15:30.35 | Hoxzer_ | Arif_: dunnno what's that called |
| 15:30.36 | cehteh | its really not optimal but barely ok |
| 15:30.41 | tybollt | ShadowJK: pics! |
| 15:30.51 | ShadowJK | tybollt, there's a youtube video you know? |
| 15:30.52 | tybollt | ShadowJK: (not of the missus - the phone/batt) |
| 15:30.52 | Arif_ | if the same channel is on a different frequency |
| 15:30.57 | Arif_ | RDS automagically switches to that |
| 15:31.00 | cehteh | you just have to recharge whenever possible |
| 15:31.01 | MarcusM | cehteh: And how much does a battery cost these days? |
| 15:31.20 | Arif_ | original or Chinese? |
| 15:31.25 | pupnik | so is there any superior display technology available now/soon cehteh ? i see many articles on alternatives |
| 15:31.28 | MarcusM | original :P |
| 15:31.29 | cehteh | there are cheap and crap china batteries for 3Euros .. dont use them they have half the capacity :P |
| 15:31.29 | firestorm | ne other ways to install rootsh ? as don't wanna install via app manager |
| 15:31.32 | tybollt | ShadowJK: of the mugen? No I did not, care to link me? |
| 15:31.34 | Arif_ | about 15euro here |
| 15:31.42 | MarcusM | Hmm, could be manageable. |
| 15:31.57 | cehteh | yeah at 15-20 euro you prolly get a reasonable good battery |
| 15:32.12 | cehteh | well i didnt buyed a 2nd one yet |
| 15:32.15 | Arif_ | firestorm, apt-get? :p |
| 15:32.36 | ShadowJK | tybollt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwqjQrHcWro |
| 15:32.39 | cehteh | and there is battery eye you can watch how much its weared out and how well it behaves |
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| 15:32.55 | nidO | god I cant stand that video |
| 15:33.05 | nidO | her nails just make me want to punch her in the face |
| 15:33.06 | MarcusM | cehteh: On the original as well? |
| 15:33.07 | nidO | no idea why. |
| 15:33.10 | cehteh | yes |
| 15:33.25 | MarcusM | nid0: Hah ;) |
| 15:33.39 | firestorm | apt-get rootsh? |
| 15:33.42 | Arif_ | aww, nidO is in love |
| 15:33.45 | cehteh | i have some hopes that someone releases a 1800mah standard sized battery .. that would be a buy |
| 15:33.49 | Arif_ | apt-get install rootsh |
| 15:33.50 | Arif_ | I guess |
| 15:33.52 | MohammadAG | <firestorm> ne other ways to install rootsh ? as don't wanna install via app manager ? |
| 15:33.53 | MohammadAG | why* |
| 15:33.53 | MohammadAG | Arif_, that won't work without rootsh... |
| 15:34.07 | Arif_ | you can't do that as user? |
| 15:34.14 | nidO | tbh I dont see why a 1500-1800mah battery the same size shouldnt be doable |
| 15:34.17 | MarcusM | damn that extended one makes it look like a brick :p |
| 15:34.26 | Arif_ | it already is a brick |
| 15:34.32 | cehteh | nidO: i think too |
| 15:34.32 | ShadowJK | nidO, you can get any label on the battery you want, even "9000mAh" |
| 15:34.36 | X-Fade | cehteh: Then Nokia would have put it in anyway. They use high qualitiy lipos, there is just nothing better. |
| 15:34.42 | ShadowJK | (if you order in quantity) |
| 15:34.48 | cehteh | ShadowJK: well the n900 can measure it .. :P |
| 15:34.49 | nidO | going by volume at least, the bp-4l is almost identical to the n900's battery |
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| 15:34.57 | nidO | and thats 1) 4 years old and 2) 1500mah |
| 15:35.04 | cehteh | but basically you can balance size, capacity, endurance ... |
| 15:35.08 | ShadowJK | cehteh, the design_capacity value can be faked :) |
| 15:35.25 | cehteh | nope this are not smart batteries |
| 15:35.36 | cehteh | the counter is in the device |
| 15:35.47 | ShadowJK | yeah but design_capacity isn't a counter |
| 15:36.02 | ShadowJK | third pin on the battery is a resistor that signals design_capacity |
| 15:36.08 | Arif_ | if the indicator stays at full and the phone suddenly dies you know its fake |
| 15:36.08 | ShadowJK | change the resistor and another value will show up |
| 15:36.09 | Arif_ | xD |
| 15:36.21 | cehteh | ShadowJK: if someone makes a slightly more expensive, more capacity battery which lasts lets say 30% less it would be doable and quite ok for me |
| 15:36.22 | ShadowJK | Arif_, or that you have an old battery :-) |
| 15:36.28 | pupnik | n900 is a seriously useful device. that is why i churn through battery so much |
| 15:36.44 | ShadowJK | the battery seems surprisingly light |
| 15:36.47 | spectre- | yeah |
| 15:36.49 | furunk3l | wow, the extended battery cover is huge. |
| 15:36.51 | Arif_ | pupnik, orly |
| 15:36.58 | spectre- | i do like 6 things on it at once |
| 15:37.00 | cehteh | ShadowJK: i thing the 3rd pin is a thermistor |
| 15:37.01 | furunk3l | if you fit it under a car, you can change the tires, holy moly |
| 15:37.21 | ShadowJK | cehteh, I think that's on-device.. |
| 15:37.22 | spectre- | 3g connectivity, xchat, joikuspot occasionally, shoutcast radio, etc |
| 15:37.29 | ShadowJK | there's one near the battery anyway |
| 15:37.29 | firestorm | MohammadAG: don't know it just comes up and says failed |
| 15:37.32 | cehteh | well i dont really know |
| 15:37.45 | spectre- | how much extra life do you get outta the extendo model battery? |
| 15:37.53 | spectre- | or supposedly get? |
| 15:37.53 | pupnik | spectre - wish shoutcast client would let me filter by bitrate |
| 15:37.59 | MohammadAG | firestorm, well there's only one way to do it without HAM, you sure you want to do that? |
| 15:38.00 | nidO | theoretically itll almost double battery life |
| 15:38.06 | cehteh | but it should be doable to do a higher capacity battery with the same sizes and less charge cycles |
| 15:38.11 | furunk3l | i just bought a second battery plus an external charger. if one battery is down, i exchange the batteries and load the empty battery in the external charger. |
| 15:38.13 | nidO | frankly though I see absolutely no benefit whatsoever in the mugen battery |
| 15:38.15 | ShadowJK | nidO, the "1800mAh" extended battery for N800 turned out to be 1200mAh :) |
| 15:38.16 | spectre- | yeah amen pupnik |
| 15:38.16 | firestorm | MohammadAG: yer i wanna be nosy and have root and look about lol |
| 15:38.31 | nidO | ShadowJK: I assume hes referring to the 2400mah mugen |
| 15:38.32 | furunk3l | the battery was like 5 euros on amazon and the charger like 6 euros. |
| 15:38.36 | tybollt | I'll take a heavier battery, not a bulkier |
| 15:38.39 | furunk3l | *15 euros for the battery |
| 15:38.55 | tybollt | furunk3l: ??? charger? the mugen requires a separate charger? |
| 15:39.04 | MohammadAG | firestorm, ok, follow the instructions you used to flash the device until you have it in flashing mode (don't type any commands) |
| 15:39.10 | ShadowJK | tybollt, furunk3l is not talking about mugen |
| 15:39.18 | cehteh | considers to build a external battery connected through the micro usb |
| 15:39.27 | nidO | I don't see any point whatsoever in the mugen that makes the device bigger though, just buy a powermonkey external battery or similar, they come in powers from 2000-6000mah, cost less, and you can choose to leave them at home when you want something ligher |
| 15:39.31 | cehteh | prolly worse efficiency .. but easy to do |
| 15:39.42 | spectre- | haha sounds like you'll need a backpack or sling to carry it around |
| 15:39.43 | cehteh | can put that in the backpack and charge the device there |
| 15:39.44 | MohammadAG | I wonder why Mugen didn't make a same size extended battery, like with the N97 |
| 15:40.00 | pupnik | spectre-: is there an easy way to add current station to favorites? i get mostly broken stations when going through shoutcast/xiph lists |
| 15:40.04 | MohammadAG | they made a same size 1800mAh one, and a 3600mAh extended one |
| 15:40.18 | Hoxzer_ | has anybody managed to get ganyremote to work with maemo5? |
| 15:40.32 | RurouniJones | Anyone got the .deb for the freebie (I assume) airport touch game that was on the ovi store? |
| 15:40.33 | cehteh | MohammadAG: well people told that the 1800mah one was crap and didnt last more than the standard one |
| 15:40.38 | MohammadAG | mods his car battery into a backpack with a USB port |
| 15:40.54 | spectre- | not sure, i've manually added all my favs |
| 15:41.02 | Arif_ | blinks |
| 15:41.10 | MohammadAG | cehteh, it did last more, but the difference was hours |
| 15:41.16 | MohammadAG | (2-5 hours) |
| 15:41.28 | firestorm | MohammadAG: is it worth it though? |
| 15:41.32 | MohammadAG | Arif_, sign up on twitter, things like that are better said there ;) |
| 15:41.51 | furunk3l | someone should invent shoes, that recharge the phone while walking. the pressure on the soles produce energy, that while be converted into electricity. |
| 15:41.58 | MohammadAG | firestorm, just do it |
| 15:42.00 | cehteh | well .. i'll go to get a 2.5mm plug .. matching the charge adapter which is in the package |
| 15:42.04 | spectre- | i'd really like a bitrate filter though |
| 15:42.04 | spectre- | cause i'm on shit gprs at the moment |
| 15:42.04 | nidO | nokia are working on something similar already. |
| 15:42.14 | cehteh | and then connect 5 AA batteries to that, done |
| 15:42.15 | MohammadAG | Your weight in mAh |
| 15:42.20 | ShadowJK | nidO, yeah I think I would have used external batteries too if N900 has 2mm charging plug.. but with the musb, it's so difficult to plug it in without looking :/ |
| 15:42.23 | Arif_ | doesn't follow that kind of things on his phone |
| 15:42.24 | Arif_ | =} |
| 15:42.27 | cehteh | charging them in another external charger |
| 15:42.31 | pupnik | spectre-: then it is just as easy for me to add a mplayer alias to my .profile, which is what i do. streamtuner just has too much crap to wade through |
| 15:42.43 | tybollt | sjk: agree agree AGREE |
| 15:42.47 | tybollt | spot-fucking-on |
| 15:42.54 | tybollt | damn I hate the usb-plug :) |
| 15:42.59 | spectre- | good idea |
| 15:43.13 | spectre- | i'm gonna try that |
| 15:43.14 | MohammadAG | same, it killed USB OTG (at least officially) |
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| 15:43.22 | tybollt | sjk: OTOH it's actually EU fault we have the usb plugs :P |
| 15:43.25 | spectre- | what do you use for browsing the shoutcast directory? |
| 15:43.33 | nidO | personally i'm looking forward to getting a powermat battery so I wont have to piss about with the goddamn usb plug any more to charge the thing |
| 15:43.46 | pupnik | i just have a few stations i found over the years |
| 15:43.46 | RurouniJones | USB OTG? |
| 15:43.48 | MohammadAG | spectre-, I use tunewiki-community |
| 15:43.56 | ShadowJK | Well, N900 battery measures 100kOhm, N810 battery 120kOhm, N900 mugen 2.4Ah measures 170kOhm.. so atleast it's signaling higher cap :-) |
| 15:43.57 | RurouniJones | What is the OTG bit? Acting as a usb host? |
| 15:44.02 | cehteh | i was thinking about routing vcc and gnd out and add some charge contacts to the case |
| 15:44.03 | MohammadAG | USB On The Go |
| 15:44.10 | MohammadAG | RurouniJones, yes |
| 15:44.14 | cehteh | building a simple charge cradle |
| 15:44.26 | spectre- | i'll check that out, thx mohammad |
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| 15:44.29 | RurouniJones | Sonova, charging via the USB is what killed that?! |
| 15:44.40 | cehteh | but the pcb contacts are only accessible when you disassemble the device |
| 15:44.55 | MohammadAG | RurouniJones, at least that's what Nokia said |
| 15:45.05 | RurouniJones | mutters darkly |
| 15:45.05 | Arif_ | is there a way to easilly add the PS3 gamepad support? |
| 15:45.20 | Arif_ | I'm not too keen on adding kernel modules and whatnot.... |
| 15:45.20 | ShadowJK | bad news: I see no magnet on the extended cover... memory card functionality might be bad |
| 15:45.28 | nidO | its a shame really, its good that the mobile industry is standardising charging, but it's a shame they had to pick such a consumer unfriendly connector for it |
| 15:45.35 | pupnik | serious congratulations are in order to Nokia for dropping durability! |
| 15:45.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | pupnik: I think Nokia have made the N900 really easy to drop |
| 15:45.55 | RurouniJones | USB - The only connector that required 3 rotations to get right when insterting |
| 15:45.57 | ShadowJK | 3.86V shipping charge |
| 15:45.59 | spectre- | yeah |
| 15:46.02 | MohammadAG | Arif_, install SIXAXIS(TM) Support (which adds the modules for you) |
| 15:46.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I've dropped it more times than I've ever dropped all of my other phones combined... |
| 15:46.10 | MarcusM | Gadgetoid_mbp: Why is that? :P |
| 15:46.12 | spectre- | i've dropped mine from 5ft to concrete |
| 15:46.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Apart from the Sonim XP3, which I dropped on purpose |
| 15:46.16 | spectre- | barely a scratch |
| 15:46.24 | Arif_ | MohammadAG, oo. just that? |
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| 15:46.27 | spectre- | and it landed on a corner |
| 15:46.30 | Arif_ | opens extras |
| 15:46.31 | pupnik | same spectre- |
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| 15:46.46 | pupnik | out of my shirt pocket |
| 15:46.50 | N900evil | RurouniJones, feel for the logo on the top |
| 15:46.50 | tybollt | Gadgetoid_mbp: ooooh you have the sonim? |
| 15:46.53 | tybollt | PM |
| 15:47.02 | MarcusM | messes with Python and some textfile output |
| 15:47.06 | MohammadAG | Arif_, yes, but you'll have to pair using GlovePIE on windows or sth else on linux (not sure) |
| 15:47.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | tybollt: Yeah, it's fun! |
| 15:47.26 | RurouniJones | So, no one got the airport touch deb? Why the hell did Nokia remove it from the ovi store...and why did they leave it on the maemo select site taunting me....feckers |
| 15:47.31 | Arif_ | as long as I don't hav eto mess too much with things... |
| 15:47.36 | Arif_ | thinks of buying a sixaxis |
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| 15:47.46 | ShadowJK | I see no reflector for the camcover detection either :) |
| 15:48.00 | pupnik | lets make an OpenStreetMap racing game :P |
| 15:48.01 | Arif_ | RurouniJones, its boring anyway |
| 15:48.18 | RurouniJones | N900evil: Not so easy when some connectors have embossed logos on both sides (Granted they are different but still annoying for us non-brail readers ;) |
| 15:48.40 | RurouniJones | Arif_: I played the iPhone version in a shop, twas quite fun for train game I thought |
| 15:48.41 | MarcusM | pupnik: Pretty nice idea TBH :P |
| 15:49.04 | MohammadAG | Arif_, I have 5, you want one? |
| 15:49.04 | ShadowJK | battery.reporting.design = 1195 :o |
| 15:49.17 | MohammadAG | 100 bucks without shipping or tax |
| 15:49.18 | pupnik | i heard someone was making such a thing for symbian MarcusM |
| 15:49.29 | ShadowJK | oh, camera works |
| 15:49.47 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, you got the battery? |
| 15:49.50 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 15:49.52 | Arif_ | MohammadAG, yeah sure thats way cheaper than buying a new one =P |
| 15:49.52 | ShadowJK | but flashlight doesn't work |
| 15:49.55 | pupnik | how do you start camera with the mugen ShadowJK ? |
| 15:49.58 | MohammadAG | does shortcutd work? |
| 15:50.20 | MohammadAG | pupnik, press the camera button |
| 15:50.44 | ShadowJK | pupnik, press camera button? |
| 15:50.44 | MohammadAG | (remove the original battery cover and press the camera button, it works) |
| 15:50.48 | ShadowJK | or camera from the menu |
| 15:51.03 | cehteh | camera button is configureable |
| 15:51.13 | cehteh | but i rather wonder if mounting the microsd works |
| 15:51.25 | cehteh | mounting/unmounting |
| 15:51.31 | MohammadAG | that would be a blocker if it doesn't |
| 15:51.45 | cehteh | exactly |
| 15:52.17 | MohammadAG | you'll be getting rid of: the kickstand, the lens cover, and microSD functionality |
| 15:52.18 | ShadowJK | microsd doesn't work |
| 15:52.22 | MohammadAG | as well as shortcutd |
| 15:52.26 | MohammadAG | :O |
| 15:52.35 | MohammadAG | they overlooked it :/ |
| 15:52.35 | Arif_ | and it wont' fit in your pocket |
| 15:52.46 | cehteh | just watches at battery eye .. my battery shows no signs of wear, it even improved slightly |
| 15:52.54 | MohammadAG | Arif_, it would, but yours pants wouldn't be on you |
| 15:53.02 | ShadowJK | goes eat dinner |
| 15:53.14 | ShadowJK | cehteh, I wouldn't trust the measurements anyway :-D |
| 15:53.16 | cehteh | ShadowJK: i really feared that |
| 15:53.27 | Arif_ | N900 is already like 500g |
| 15:53.30 | Arif_ | xD |
| 15:53.34 | cehteh | ShadowJK: well from usage its still as bad as it always was :P |
| 15:54.16 | MohammadAG | cehteh, imo, http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php + soldered USB extender would be a better option |
| 15:54.23 | MohammadAG | it's 99 bucks, but it's 6000mAh |
| 15:54.30 | cehteh | needs some charging otg ... bike hub dynamo, battery pack and so on |
| 15:55.02 | Arif_ | cehteh, solar charging! |
| 15:55.05 | cehteh | better option than what? |
| 15:55.12 | cehteh | Arif_: solar charging sux |
| 15:55.13 | MohammadAG | than the mugen |
| 15:55.16 | nidO | I have a solar external battery + charger |
| 15:55.26 | cehteh | you need a huge panel and a lot of dependable light |
| 15:55.35 | Arif_ | or one of those 3500mAh packs that you can plug the N900 into |
| 15:55.39 | nidO | 2000mah battery, can charge it via usb as well if needed, works pretty well |
| 15:55.57 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Just buy this and change the cells to serial. http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=10895 |
| 15:55.57 | Arif_ | but....you'd need to charge those too |
| 15:56.01 | cehteh | nidO: and pure solar charings takes days or? |
| 15:56.11 | X-Fade | 8x 5800Mah for $100 :) |
| 15:56.31 | cehteh | buying a handfull AA costs 10 euros, actually i have some laying around |
| 15:56.32 | Arif_ | the easiest way is just to take a few spares with you I guess |
| 15:56.43 | cehteh | 50 cents for the 2.5mm connector |
| 15:56.44 | nidO | yeah fully charging it takes days, but it's more than perfect to just charge on usb then leave somewhere in sunlight to ensure it stays charged, or at a pinch to solar charge a bit extra when out and about for a long time |
| 15:56.57 | cehteh | small box for one eur |
| 15:57.05 | X-Fade | 46400mAh lipo, sweet ;) |
| 15:57.12 | cehteh | so i get a 2000mah pack for 11.50Eur .. |
| 15:57.17 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, I actually DO mind carrying 1262g with me |
| 15:57.18 | MohammadAG | and that's without the N900 |
| 15:57.26 | Arif_ | you need to rebuy batteries though! |
| 15:57.40 | cehteh | me? |
| 15:57.46 | cehteh | nimh rechargeables |
| 15:57.50 | cehteh | eneloop |
| 15:58.20 | Arif_ | that could work |
| 15:58.36 | cehteh | that will work |
| 15:58.57 | cehteh | well and i consider buying: http://www.bumm.de/docu/361e.htm |
| 15:58.59 | Arif_ | ponders on getting one of those when going on vacation |
| 15:59.09 | cehteh | prolly because i am to lazy to solder such a thing by myself |
| 15:59.34 | cehteh | (and its not easy to reach that efficency, i am not an EE like DocScrutinizer) |
| 15:59.55 | Arif_ | are the Nokia USB car chargers any good? |
| 16:00.15 | cehteh | only bike here, no car :P |
| 16:00.22 | Arif_ | heh |
| 16:00.26 | Arif_ | I can't use either |
| 16:00.28 | Arif_ | ;( |
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| 16:01.04 | MohammadAG | wonders |
| 16:01.08 | MohammadAG | what if I put the dynamo on the car wheels |
| 16:01.13 | ShadowJK | Arif_, I use the bigger one.. DC-10 I think |
| 16:01.14 | ShadowJK | it's good |
| 16:01.26 | ShadowJK | But it has the annoying blue-led syndrome |
| 16:01.45 | cehteh | MohammadAG: hub dynamo? :) |
| 16:01.58 | cehteh | ShadowJK: eww :P |
| 16:02.23 | cehteh | configures all blue away from the notification led |
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| 16:02.30 | cehteh | configured |
| 16:02.34 | Arif_ | blue led syndrome? |
| 16:02.39 | cehteh | well purple is cool |
| 16:02.42 | MohammadAG | cehteh, yeah, thinking about connecting it to a car and putting it on those test things |
| 16:02.49 | MohammadAG | the ones that you drive on but keep the car still |
| 16:02.50 | ShadowJK | Arif_, it has a ring of blue shine |
| 16:03.03 | Arif_ | hm |
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| 16:03.10 | Arif_ | my 3.5mm charger has a green led |
| 16:03.51 | lcuk | blue leds are like evil alien technologies, they exist outside the visual spectrum, always just a tiny bit out of focus |
| 16:04.04 | Arif_ | http://www.nokia.nl/ontdek-alle-toestellen/accessoires/alle-accessoires/auto/auto-accessoires/nokia-autolader-dc-6 |
| 16:04.10 | Arif_ | I mean this one |
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| 16:08.38 | DrGrov | Good evening everybody |
| 16:08.38 | Arif_ | oh hai thur |
| 16:08.38 | ShadowJK | dc-6 is a weaker car charger |
| 16:08.40 | DrGrov | how is it going in here? :) |
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| 16:08.50 | DrGrov | any news on the much anticipated PR 1.2? :) |
| 16:08.59 | Arif_ | its not out yet ;) |
| 16:09.03 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 16:09.08 | Arif_ | 15 euro vs 35 euro |
| 16:09.10 | Arif_ | ponders |
| 16:09.32 | Arif_ | oh well |
| 16:09.36 | Arif_ | I have too much money anyway =D |
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| 16:10.26 | MohammadAG | Arif_, can I have some? :p |
| 16:10.29 | nidO | you know, you could buy a 15 euro charger for both of us |
| 16:10.44 | firestorm | i'llh have some money aswell if ur offering. |
| 16:10.47 | Arif_ | what makes you think I'm a nice person ? |
| 16:10.49 | Arif_ | =D |
| 16:10.54 | nidO | intuition |
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| 16:11.02 | b0unc3 | hey guys, I can update to the new SDK via apt ? is it safe ? |
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| 16:11.10 | nidO | yes, yes |
| 16:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: 145A discharge cont. I, nice :-D |
| 16:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ...for a 99bucks pack |
| 16:12.54 | MohammadAG | b0unc3, it's the only way to update it |
| 16:13.10 | MohammadAG | fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:13.29 | b0unc3 | MohammadAG, ah ok , thank you |
| 16:13.43 | MohammadAG | np |
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| 16:21.03 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, what pack is that.. |
| 16:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: [2010-03-24 16:55:57] <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Just buy this and change the cells to serial. http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=10895 |
| 16:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | Configuration: 8S1P / 29.6v / 8Cell |
| 16:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | Constant Discharge: 25C |
| 16:22.35 | ShadowJK | sends mail to mugen telling them about the back cover sensor and the camera door sensor.. |
| 16:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | C=5800mAh |
| 16:23.11 | firestorm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:23.47 | DrGrov | mugen? |
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| 16:24.17 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: how expensive would the development of something like the bumm E-Werk like? .. high efficent current and voltage regulator with little loss and proper handling of undervoltage etc |
| 16:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | and weather resistant case |
| 16:24.50 | cehteh | guess you would need a uC for that, and some clever electronics |
| 16:25.01 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: just buy one of those |
| 16:25.13 | DrGrov | damn i get stress of nothing being able to get a invisible shield closer to home... just gotta order one, damn! |
| 16:25.26 | ShadowJK | has vikuiti now |
| 16:25.31 | cehteh | weather resistant isnt really a problem .. last thing i build (simple electronics) is just sealed in hot glue :P |
| 16:26.37 | Jaffa | Anyone know how to integrate HildonLiveSearch into an existing (Python) application? |
| 16:26.39 | cehteh | ShadowJK: they redesigned the back-cover already once .. fail :P |
| 16:27.06 | ShadowJK | should have maybe emailed them earlier :D |
| 16:27.39 | tybollt | vikuiti? |
| 16:27.44 | tybollt | vittukuiti? |
| 16:27.59 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: making a community project for such, maybe selling self made pcbs and kits ... but developing it would prolly need some effort |
| 16:28.07 | DrGrov | tybollt: vittu? :D lol... that is a profanity in Finnish |
| 16:28.34 | tybollt | ja jag vet |
| 16:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: development is easy from a EE POV. marketing and MP isn't |
| 16:28.51 | DrGrov | tybollt: aha, du är svensk. då talar vi samma språk även om jag är från Finland. |
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| 16:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | as is ID/mech/case |
| 16:30.31 | cehteh | nah just small open project, no MP and marketing, make a website with all schemantics and code (avr?), pices list and mostly done, ... people will ask about kits and preproduces pcbs or maybe about assembled device and then do that on a per-order or in little batches as long its fun and they pay some bucks |
| 16:31.06 | cehteh | i am not interested in making a big business from that |
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| 16:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not interested in making any business from that - can't afford, too expensive :-P |
| 16:31.59 | cehteh | hehe ok |
| 16:32.17 | cehteh | well maybe i just buy the e-werk .. while i think its really overpriced :P |
| 16:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's reaonably priced for a low-volume MP device |
| 16:33.17 | DrGrov | bbl |
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| 16:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: see, a mould for a plastic case costs some 50k |
| 16:34.25 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: hey .. pcb, hotglue, shrinkwrap |
| 16:34.44 | cehteh | ah you mean the bumm thing yeah |
| 16:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | for volumes like 50..200 plastic cases built to order you pay ~100 bucks/unit |
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| 16:35.41 | cehteh | i bet they'll rather sell 50k units |
| 16:35.46 | cehteh | (over time) |
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| 16:36.35 | N900evil | shagways can be an alternative for one or two. |
| 16:36.43 | N900evil | shapeways |
| 16:37.24 | ccooke | shapeways are good, yeah |
| 16:37.38 | flux | mohammadag, camkeyd works with mugen battery cover |
| 16:37.54 | N900evil | expensive for all but the smallest vases. |
| 16:37.58 | N900evil | cases. |
| 16:38.06 | N900evil | though vases too. |
| 16:38.17 | ShadowJK | hm, mugen must've spent a lot of money on the N900 back door already with two redesigns |
| 16:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | N900evil: :-D |
| 16:38.24 | ShadowJK | and then the battery itself.. |
| 16:38.29 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't want to be them :D |
| 16:38.57 | flux | actually, now that I think of it, it might not. but it does work with shortcutd. I don't know if they had a different principle in enabling/detecting the camera key. |
| 16:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's not uncommon for a company to sell first batch of hw at a "dumping price" where they *pay*/lose hundereds of $$ per device sold - just to get the momentum |
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| 16:42.39 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: you mean companies who know what they're doing? :) |
| 16:43.13 | tybollt | those does not exist |
| 16:43.14 | tybollt | sorry |
| 16:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 16:44.23 | flux | but indeed sd doesn't seem to be mounted :). I guess a workaround must exist.. |
| 16:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | some have better crystal ball than others |
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| 16:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | flux: workaround for pragmatics is a small magnet and a piece of doublesided sticky |
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| 16:45.34 | flux | docscrutinizer, I meant a software-workaround |
| 16:46.34 | flux | I don't really hotswap my sd-card a lot. infact, I've never taken it out so far :) |
| 16:47.18 | cehteh | flux: throw the ke-recv daemon into the trashbin, write a proper fstab, prevent the startup scripts overwriting the fstab |
| 16:47.21 | cehteh | mount it manually |
| 16:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | this doesn't change the fact mugen did a pertty poor engineering when specifying their replacement cover |
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| 16:47.57 | cehteh | does ke-recv do anything else except mounting? |
| 16:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | nuke it and learn :-P |
| 16:48.51 | cehteh | i did once .. nothing bad happend |
| 16:49.05 | flux | cehteh, what's the /dev entry for the external sd? I guess udevfs removed it as well when I changed the cover.. |
| 16:49.12 | cehteh | but i didnt nuked it completely and rebooted yet :P |
| 16:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 16:49.37 | cehteh | flux: its nokia, they do everything differently |
| 16:50.11 | flux | I think it was /dev/mmcblk1, as I have mmcblk0p1 for ~user/MyDocs. |
| 16:50.12 | cehteh | the ke-recv daemon is responsible for that crap .. i just dont know if it does anything important else |
| 16:50.36 | flux | I guess I could just try mknodin the device and mounting it. or just look what the world looks like with the real cover :) |
| 16:50.57 | cehteh | i mount all my partitions manually from fstab |
| 16:51.08 | cehteh | but it still unmounts it when removing the cover |
| 16:51.39 | cehteh | (i didnt turned that off, fearing to brick the device when the daemon does anything else which might be vital) |
| 16:52.18 | flux | the description in the init script of ke-recv says 'HAL-based automatic mounting etc.' |
| 16:52.23 | flux | sounds like it is its main function |
| 16:52.37 | cehteh | yeah .. and whats 'etc' ? |
| 16:52.41 | flux | unmounting :) |
| 16:52.47 | flux | loading/unloading related drivers etc |
| 16:53.08 | cehteh | ok you try .. remove it from the startup, reboot your device and report to me if it still works |
| 16:53.13 | flux | oh and performing critical flash maintenance, which makes the flash last for longer than a day :P |
| 16:53.31 | cehteh | if yes, i owe you a beer, if not you have to reflash/restore by yourself :P |
| 16:53.39 | flux | first step would be to just /etc/init.d/krecv stop |
| 16:53.45 | flux | ke-recv even |
| 16:53.49 | cehteh | yes that works |
| 16:54.10 | cehteh | tried that .. i just didnt tried the final step removing it so that it doesnt start at reboot |
| 16:54.22 | flux | so it still unmounts stuff even if it's stopped? |
| 16:54.46 | cehteh | prolly its safe .. but i just reflashed my device when i played that stuff and restored all and didnt wanted to brick it again |
| 16:55.00 | cehteh | not it doesnt to anything when stopped |
| 16:55.41 | cehteh | i just wasnt sure if it spreads some fairy dust somewhere else .. manages usb connections and so on |
| 16:56.58 | cehteh | its *very likely* safe to remove .. but i wanted zero risk |
| 16:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | the joy of a missing recovery system |
| 17:00.11 | cehteh | yeah |
| 17:00.29 | cehteh | on a 32GB device ... |
| 17:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 17:01.00 | cehteh | i mean if it had 256MB flash at all .. then i could understand that |
| 17:01.32 | cehteh | but being a fully capable computer with an almost debian like ok .. nokia tried really hard to make it uncomfortable |
| 17:01.49 | cehteh | i hope meego will fix that |
| 17:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'd hope a better NOLO would fix that eventually |
| 17:02.44 | Arif_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48040 |
| 17:02.45 | Arif_ | oh my |
| 17:03.01 | cehteh | could make a safe boot and rescue system in a few days ... but there is no point in that since its incompatible with any nokia firmware update |
| 17:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 17:04.05 | cehteh | well let kernel rescue aside -- just userspace rescue would be a huge improvement |
| 17:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | nolo bootmenu for multiboot would be really nice |
| 17:04.26 | cehteh | yes sure |
| 17:04.45 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: do a bug for NOLO source? ;) |
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| 17:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | "bootmenu" as in "hold '2' for 2nd partiton boot" |
| 17:05.31 | cehteh | there is a rescue boot package in some repo (devel?) |
| 17:05.37 | cehteh | but i dont know what it does |
| 17:05.52 | cehteh | having a minimal kernel and kexec would work too |
| 17:06.12 | cehteh | anything else would be better than the current cruft |
| 17:06.14 | nidO | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/rescue-boot/1.0/ |
| 17:06.46 | flux | cool. does it work?-) |
| 17:06.59 | mgedmin | X-Fade, any idea why http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/avahi/0.6.24-0maemo0/ doesn't show who uploaded that package? |
| 17:07.03 | cehteh | well no bugtracker doesnt nag me .. but no doc what it actually does nags me |
| 17:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: freat description of the whole pkg over there :-S |
| 17:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | Great even |
| 17:08.19 | nidO | package is nothing to do with me :> |
| 17:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | I lknow |
| 17:08.57 | DocScrutinizer | or at least I'd not suppose anything else |
| 17:09.17 | MohammadAG | Ubuntu 10.04 moves the X button (and the rest of the bunch) to the left :/ |
| 17:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | well, me away for enjoying some nice weather and dinner |
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| 17:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | tzz >>Description: Implement rescue boot method.<< |
| 17:15.49 | cehteh | heh ... |
| 17:15.55 | cehteh | i just got the source .. |
| 17:16.04 | cehteh | there is something missing |
| 17:16.16 | cehteh | .. and i think its something vital :) |
| 17:16.42 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, do yo know about bootmenu.sh? |
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| 17:16.54 | ShadowJK | I mean, are you aware of it? :-) |
| 17:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 17:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | the much appreciated new hook Nokia implemented into their system crankup |
| 17:18.02 | cehteh | instead this "missing bugtracker link" insanity there should be a rule "package has to be alive else it will be purged" |
| 17:18.03 | ShadowJK | yeah it's nice |
| 17:18.06 | ShadowJK | it's pretty early too |
| 17:18.26 | cehteh | alive as in either updates every 2 months at least or positive user feedback |
| 17:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: not entirely clear what exactly can be done at that point |
| 17:19.02 | ShadowJK | not even mmc drivers are loaded :) |
| 17:19.11 | ShadowJK | or maybe just udev isn't running so there are no /dev nodes for it :D |
| 17:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | hmm cool |
| 17:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, I'm afk |
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| 17:23.21 | Jaffa | Wow, YoDude seems to have gone into full-blown "I'm the only sane one around here" mode whilst making *no* sense whatsoever. |
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| 17:24.10 | pupnik | link Jaffa ? |
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| 17:27.35 | Jaffa | pupnik: hang on |
| 17:27.59 | Jaffa | pupnik: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=580618#post580618 |
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| 17:28.42 | Jaffa | pupnik: About half-way down when starts quoting GAN900 |
| 17:28.56 | Myrtti | well, I didn't vote for him anyway |
| 17:29.40 | GAN900 | Myrtti, somebody bought you with chocolate, didn't they? ;) |
| 17:29.55 | Myrtti | GAN900: you did, hunny |
| 17:29.58 | pupnik | wow, so much... talk |
| 17:30.04 | Myrtti | sugar and sweet talkin' |
| 17:30.28 | GAN900 | Myrtti, crap, I'm on the hook for a lot aren't I? :D |
| 17:30.40 | GAN900 | pupnik, hey, at least he uses newlines. |
| 17:30.51 | Myrtti | TL;DR |
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| 17:32.02 | pronto | somone ban horm |
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| 17:32.13 | Lumpio- | too late |
| 17:32.24 | pupnik | going forward maemo should look at what is enabling community software, and what makes it difficult |
| 17:33.19 | pupnik | a lot of the talk* is just irrelevant |
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| 17:34.29 | GAN900 | Ah, yes, my secrit plan to administer Talk. |
| 17:35.08 | w00t | got bad vibes about him from day one really |
| 17:35.40 | Jaffa | GAN900: I was going to say "actively involved like any other community member", but thought I'd ignore that part of his inane ranting. |
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| 17:39.11 | Arif_ | sneezes |
| 17:39.14 | GAN900 | w00t, peace, love, and a knife in the kidney |
| 17:39.47 | GAN900 | Platform seems to be "Everything should happen on the forum, and forum people should get more say" |
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| 17:40.30 | GAN900 | ". . . members must go outside this forum to independent blogs and whatnot. Why is that?" |
| 17:40.37 | GAN900 | Boggle inducing. |
| 17:40.40 | w00t | GAN900: i'm all for more connection between the different parts of the community, i'm not happy for giving say to people who aren't willing to work to make things happen |
| 17:40.46 | w00t | and yes, that made me laugh, a great deal |
| 17:40.59 | javispedro | In the forum we trust. |
| 17:41.03 | w00t | ..given that it was posted there when it happened |
| 17:41.25 | Jaffa | javispedro: One forum to rule us. One forum to bind us |
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| 17:41.48 | w00t | don't make it versus the forum, though |
| 17:41.57 | w00t | I'd rather see it versus someone who is clearly out of their mind |
| 17:42.15 | Jaffa | w00t: Oh, indeed. |
| 17:42.25 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 17:42.41 | Jaffa | w00t: As I've pointed out, all of the candidates this time starting contributing on the forum before going anywhere else and are still enormously active there. |
| 17:42.54 | Jaffa | w00t: Which is why the "I'm the pro-forum candidate" pisses me off. |
| 17:43.00 | w00t | Jaffa: mhm |
| 17:43.16 | ali1234 | well maybe that speaks more about the role of counccil members than it does about the forum |
| 17:43.26 | w00t | I just look at texrat's post count and laugh when I see that |
| 17:43.27 | w00t | :P |
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| 17:44.14 | GAN900 | Mr. Hyperactive |
| 17:44.22 | Khertan | Hi again, |
| 17:44.32 | GAN900 | He had double the postcount of the next closest post last time I checked. |
| 17:44.40 | Jaffa | ali1234: Sorry, the "that" is? |
| 17:44.52 | w00t | I need to start posting again |
| 17:45.02 | w00t | I was hyperactive for a few months and then I got a life again.. |
| 17:45.05 | ali1234 | Jaffa: the facct that all people who are standing for council spend so much time posting on the forums |
| 17:45.25 | Khertan | i ve a question about device loaned device given at summit ... someone can scan me the contract for the return adress ? |
| 17:45.44 | Khertan | i didnt found mine |
| 17:45.47 | w00t | ali1234: I spend a great deal of my working life on IRC - are you going to say that implies something about me? :P |
| 17:46.00 | ali1234 | w00t: yes, but that has nothing to do with what i am saying |
| 17:46.03 | Jaffa | ali1234: Ah, OK. I still don't understand your point ;-) |
| 17:46.14 | w00t | in which case, I concur with Jaffa |
| 17:46.38 | w00t | I thought you were trying to imply that council candidates were too busy with making forum posts rather than getting things done |
| 17:46.38 | javispedro | uh oh, the Summit loan endings are soon? |
| 17:46.47 | ali1234 | Jaffa: someone who doesn't post on forums is probably not interested in the community, therefore they will not run for council |
| 17:46.59 | luke-jr | ali1234: bad logic |
| 17:47.05 | luke-jr | forums != community |
| 17:47.05 | Khertan | javispedro : don t know but i ll not use mine |
| 17:47.13 | ali1234 | yes, forums does = community |
| 17:47.17 | Khertan | anymore |
| 17:47.34 | w00t | ali1234: not exclusively so |
| 17:47.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: yeah |
| 17:47.43 | luke-jr | ali1234: forums are just stupid in general; IRC is real community |
| 17:47.44 | ali1234 | it doesn't matter, it is by far the largest part |
| 17:47.51 | Jaffa | javispedro: Supposedly mid/end-April IIRC |
| 17:48.02 | ali1234 | if IRC is the community then the ommunity only has 500 people |
| 17:48.12 | javispedro | nice, I forgot about the return address too :) |
| 17:48.31 | w00t | actually, 572 of them, at this point in time |
| 17:48.38 | w00t | compared with 383 members online on TMO now |
| 17:48.39 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:48.41 | w00t | so, your point? |
| 17:48.53 | Jaffa | ali1234: There are more maemo.org accounts (used for Downloads, News and Garage) than there are active tmo accounts (using terms like "largest" is a bit woolly for my tastes) |
| 17:48.55 | ali1234 | my point is that tmo represents the community |
| 17:48.58 | Jaffa | ali1234: Or that size matters |
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| 17:49.11 | ali1234 | irc represents a very small and vocal elite of the community |
| 17:49.17 | w00t | no one thing can represent the community |
| 17:49.29 | GAN900 | ^ |
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| 17:49.40 | Khertan | ali1234: exactly tmo represent the community ... a full of whining people |
| 17:49.43 | ali1234 | isn't that what the council is supposed to do? represent the community? |
| 17:49.50 | Khertan | which complain for everythings |
| 17:49.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ali1234: I like to disagree |
| 17:50.02 | ali1234 | if the community is full of whiners, then the council should be full of whiners too |
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| 17:50.19 | ali1234 | otherwise it is not representative |
| 17:50.40 | Khertan | ali1234: one advice : the community is dead |
| 17:50.40 | w00t | then the way forward is clear |
| 17:50.41 | javispedro | smells a pandora box opening |
| 17:50.44 | w00t | GAN900 for council |
| 17:50.44 | luke-jr | w00t's point stands. |
| 17:50.47 | w00t | grins |
| 17:50.58 | luke-jr | IRC has more active users than TMO |
| 17:51.14 | Khertan | there isn t no more community just people wanting things free ... fast and quickly |
| 17:51.17 | luke-jr | 500 people cannot be a minority of 300 ;) |
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| 17:51.38 | GAN900 | smells Khertan's burnout. |
| 17:51.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Khertan: not all are like that |
| 17:51.49 | w00t | Khertan: I think you need a break |
| 17:52.03 | Khertan | so noone have anymore the contract of the loan device ? |
| 17:52.03 | lcuk | Khertan, whats your next tech purchase gona be? |
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| 17:52.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | hugs Khertan |
| 17:52.16 | javispedro | Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. |
| 17:52.24 | ali1234 | Khertan: i've got mine |
| 17:52.29 | GAN900 | Khertan, don't worry, it's my favorite fragrance! |
| 17:52.31 | ali1234 | what do you need? |
| 17:52.31 | Khertan | lcuk : don t know yet ... probably none ... |
| 17:52.38 | luke-jr | my next tech purchase is going to be a handheld that meets my minimum requirements, regardless of what company makes it or what OS it ships ;p |
| 17:52.51 | luke-jr | so far no such device has been announced by any company |
| 17:53.00 | Khertan | ali1234: i need the return adress |
| 17:53.01 | lcuk | :) thn enjoy the time with your mrs khertan. and the apps you have written are good. |
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| 17:53.12 | javispedro | luke-jr: so you were in the same situation as me until I decided to call it a day and buy the n810. |
| 17:53.17 | Khertan | could send me a scan of the contract pls ? |
| 17:53.36 | Khertan | lcuk: i enjoy it too ... |
| 17:53.48 | luke-jr | javispedro: except the N810 was the worst tech purchase I have ever made :) |
| 17:53.50 | Khertan | ali1234: khertan@khertan.net |
| 17:53.52 | lcuk | luke-jr, buying things which dont meet your requiremenets is just folly and will make you a grumpy old man |
| 17:54.06 | Jaffa | wonders how many people have posted to more than 3 threads in the last 3 months on tmo |
| 17:54.07 | ali1234 | Khertan: Terhi Nousu P.O. Box 225 FIN-00045 NOKIA GROUP |
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| 17:54.32 | lcuk | Khertan how will people know where to find pygtkeditor? |
| 17:54.37 | javispedro | that doesn't ring a bell, for some reason. |
| 17:54.37 | Khertan | my requirement is quite simple for me ... something i can play with to made application and development onboard |
| 17:54.39 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:54.41 | lcuk | has anyone offered to become a new maintainer |
| 17:54.57 | lcuk | you do it well! |
| 17:55.03 | Khertan | lcuk : i ll try to made some ads for my repository |
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| 17:55.17 | Jaffa | lcuk: Khertan said the maemo.org download will point to his repo. Khertan have you checked with X-Fade that /downloads/ isn't *entirely* driven by Extras? |
| 17:55.20 | Khertan | lcuk : maemo.org download point to my repository |
| 17:55.29 | luke-jr | wants at least 4"-6" display, 512 MB RAM, and usable keyboard :p |
| 17:55.42 | lcuk | how does that work tho? |
| 17:55.52 | lcuk | ithought all your accounts had been closed on your wishes? |
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| 17:56.33 | Khertan | jaffa: you can actually set an install file link |
| 17:56.34 | Khertan | jaffa: but i ven t check for link with extras |
| 17:56.49 | Khertan | lcuk: nope just garage currently |
| 17:57.12 | lcuk | has never browsed downloads fro mdevice |
| 17:57.30 | Khertan | because xfade fear that it work hard for removing apps and i publish it again just after to extras |
| 17:57.44 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 17:57.45 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 17:58.39 | lcuk | o_O |
| 17:58.44 | javispedro | is wary of going back to multiple repos again |
| 17:58.47 | rm_you | T_T |
| 17:58.54 | rm_you | lcuk! |
| 17:58.59 | Khertan | but to be clear i didn t complain against x-fade |
| 17:58.59 | lcuk | ello rm_you :) |
| 17:59.20 | Khertan | just that there is now need anymore of that account |
| 17:59.21 | Jaffa | Khertan: Yeah, in the earlier OSes you could override it. But things like description get overwritten now by Extras and so I wonder if you can have an entry there which isn't backed by an Extras package. |
| 17:59.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | Khertan: maybe just take a day off, to chill? |
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| 18:00.44 | Khertan | DocScrutinizer51 : i ve already take two weeks off |
| 18:00.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 18:01.00 | Khertan | it s not hot reaction |
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| 18:01.11 | rm_you | lcuk: how goes things? been out of the loop since n900 died |
| 18:01.12 | Khertan | i ve setted my own bts |
| 18:01.26 | rm_you | s/n900/*my* n900/ |
| 18:01.31 | lcuk | Khertan, did you write vectormine in pygame? |
| 18:01.41 | Khertan | lcuk: yep |
| 18:01.43 | lcuk | rm_you, i have been excessively busy |
| 18:01.46 | lcuk | http://www.pygame.org/pcr/repository.php |
| 18:01.51 | rm_you | cool |
| 18:01.53 | lcuk | theres some great examples there Khertan |
| 18:02.00 | lcuk | some more fodder for playing |
| 18:02.09 | Khertan | lcuk: why ? |
| 18:02.13 | rm_you | i've been looking for something to do, maybe will write a game for n900 using pygame :P |
| 18:02.20 | rm_you | been meaning to learn pygame anyway |
| 18:02.23 | lcuk | because you might not like maemo, but you still have 3 hours a day on a train |
| 18:02.26 | lcuk | and will get bored |
| 18:02.45 | Khertan | lcuk: :) |
| 18:03.07 | Khertan | currently i m trying to made a package python apps for android |
| 18:03.13 | lcuk | cool |
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| 18:03.18 | lcuk | does python run on android? |
| 18:03.26 | Khertan | yep |
| 18:03.26 | lcuk | i thought it was java |
| 18:03.56 | Khertan | but it s a bit difficult to made 'standart apps' |
| 18:04.03 | lcuk | which device have you got? |
| 18:04.12 | Khertan | none yet |
| 18:04.25 | Khertan | just the emulator on my netbook |
| 18:04.43 | Khertan | i ll try soon to install nitdroid on the n900 |
| 18:04.45 | rm_you | I have a G1 if you need testing |
| 18:04.47 | lcuk | lol rm_you |
| 18:04.52 | lcuk | @ pygame enthusiasm |
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| 18:05.09 | rm_you | better than what i've BEEN doing with 100% of my time |
| 18:05.13 | rm_you | which is, playing L4D2 |
| 18:05.13 | lcuk | Khertan, is there a code editor on the android? |
| 18:05.22 | dmj726_n900 | isn't the android python somewhatm limited? |
| 18:05.50 | ptl | Khertan: you are Benoît, right? |
| 18:06.53 | ptl | I've read and responded your email on the mailing list. |
| 18:07.00 | ptl | It's really a pity that you're androidizing. |
| 18:07.11 | GAN900 | rm_you, L4D2 sucks |
| 18:07.28 | ptl | but, well... Hope PyGTKEditor survives! |
| 18:07.42 | GAN900 | rm_you, they out took all of the soul and enjoyability of 1. |
| 18:08.15 | hrw | have a nice rest of day |
| 18:08.19 | Khertan | lcuk: nope i didnt see any code editor |
| 18:08.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | so, on unrelated topic: anything remarkable happened 7h ago? (i.e. wed 12:00 UTC) ? XP |
| 18:08.43 | lcuk | Khertan, would you now just use your netbook then? |
| 18:09.00 | N900evil | are there SD to sata converters? |
| 18:09.09 | Khertan | ptl: currently i m just looking arround me and playing a bit with android pkg nothing more |
| 18:09.10 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, that would be 13:07 my time, and i was just walking to the toilet |
| 18:09.13 | N900evil | Not the other way round |
| 18:09.17 | lcuk | im not sure i need to go into finer detail |
| 18:09.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: see the -devel mailing list |
| 18:09.24 | N900evil | to p.lug a hd into a sd slot |
| 18:09.34 | Khertan | lcuk : no the netbook is a pain to use in the metro |
| 18:09.47 | lcuk | so whatwill you use? n900->android? |
| 18:09.50 | lcuk | that would be amusing :D |
| 18:10.10 | Khertan | currently i don t know |
| 18:10.19 | Khertan | studying possibilities |
| 18:10.51 | lcuk | i think it should be more than feasible to make a qt based micro ide |
| 18:10.54 | lcuk | for on device dev |
| 18:11.21 | lcuk | pyqteditor :D |
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| 18:12.08 | Khertan_ | so android device could be one solution |
| 18:12.13 | javispedro | qteditor :) |
| 18:12.16 | thopiekar | hey I saw somebody using a N900 in the Regional Bahn 13 from Düsseldorf to Hamm I think playing doom |
| 18:12.22 | thopiekar | are you here? |
| 18:12.33 | pronto | :o nice, i havent seen another n900 in public yet |
| 18:12.34 | Khertan_ | running android on n900 an other |
| 18:12.35 | pronto | only mine |
| 18:12.46 | Khertan_ | but i found that the n900 is a great device for doing onboard dev |
| 18:12.49 | lcuk | Khertan, im not talking about running, im talking about editing |
| 18:12.51 | thopiekar | pronto: :P |
| 18:12.54 | ShadowJK | hasn't seen android in public yet :) |
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| 18:13.05 | javispedro | I've seen two n900s already |
| 18:13.10 | lcuk | isaw a robot in the rain |
| 18:13.12 | pronto | really?, i've seen loads of andriods |
| 18:13.12 | javispedro | ... but a lot of android phones |
| 18:13.14 | lcuk | :( it was all ruted |
| 18:13.17 | lcuk | rusted |
| 18:13.20 | Khertan_ | but i think i ll do the dev on the n900 ... |
| 18:13.26 | pronto | but never a single n900 xD |
| 18:13.34 | ShadowJK | seen lots of winmob though |
| 18:13.36 | lcuk | Khertan, you will need an editor |
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| 18:13.42 | pronto | i'm seeing less and elss win mo |
| 18:13.56 | thopiekar | I would say that he was one of ours, I mean IRC user :P |
| 18:14.11 | Khertan_ | probably with pygtkeditor |
| 18:14.25 | Khertan_ | never seen any mameo device ... or n900 |
| 18:14.25 | Khertan_ | i see many many many iphone in train in france |
| 18:14.30 | Khertan_ | or droid device |
| 18:15.03 | ShadowJK | has never seen an iphone in real life either |
| 18:15.06 | ShadowJK | a few ipods though |
| 18:15.13 | Khertan_ | lcuk: yep i think the first thing will to made an editor :) |
| 18:15.14 | Khertan_ | lcuk: yep i think the first thing will be to made an editor :) |
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| 18:15.21 | javispedro | ShadowJK: where do you live? in Cupertino? :) |
| 18:15.29 | ShadowJK | .fi |
| 18:15.42 | Khertan_ | ouch right now i can count 15 iphone user in the wagon |
| 18:15.46 | Khertan_ | about 40 people |
| 18:15.53 | ShadowJK | saw a Samsung non-android touchscreen |
| 18:15.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | heard eyephone is illegal there XP |
| 18:17.11 | Khertan_ | lcuk: there are nice pygame snippet in the repository |
| 18:17.19 | Khertan_ | well written |
| 18:17.31 | lcuk | which ones, the one i pasted or elsewhere? |
| 18:17.54 | Khertan_ | the one you paste |
| 18:18.32 | lcuk | yeah i know i had a look |
| 18:18.53 | lcuk | what would happen if you signed up for ovi using your employer as company? :) |
| 18:19.16 | Khertan_ | i ve my own company |
| 18:19.19 | javispedro | black helicopters would unleash ninjas |
| 18:19.25 | Khertan_ | but you can sign |
| 18:19.41 | Khertan_ | but cannot still publish for maemo |
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| 18:19.42 | lcuk | javispedro, i mean after the ninjas have left |
| 18:20.58 | Khertan_ | lcuk: ovi store is still not really open |
| 18:21.21 | Khertan_ | this is why i ve made my own registration scheme |
| 18:21.28 | rm_you | GAN900: nah, it's better by quite a buit |
| 18:21.49 | Khertan_ | but vectornine have no success ... too geek i think |
| 18:22.03 | Khertan_ | 3 sell |
| 18:22.30 | Khertan_ | and 2 from the same person which register it for two device |
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| 18:22.43 | GAN900 | rm_you, dunno, I can't stand it. |
| 18:22.53 | GAN900 | rm_you, and we played hours and hours of 1 |
| 18:23.06 | GAN900 | rm_you, it's so bad I went back to Halo Wars. :P |
| 18:23.54 | b0unc3 | guys, how I can set a key shortcut to my application ? (also in code) |
| 18:24.34 | lcuk | all apps have a key combination, just press shift+ctrl+x+name of app+enter |
| 18:24.38 | lcuk | simplicity itself! |
| 18:25.19 | frals | assuming the binary is in PATH, right? ;) |
| 18:25.26 | lcuk | shhh |
| 18:25.31 | lcuk | b0unc3, i dunno how to do it |
| 18:25.39 | lcuk | isnt there some .desktop magic? |
| 18:26.13 | Khertan_ | uHHHH ! send email from mfe with a google account is now working !!! GREAT ! |
| 18:26.40 | b0unc3 | lcuk, boh :) |
| 18:28.27 | javispedro | we need a strong council candidate that will bring us a FINAL FANTASY THEME!! |
| 18:28.39 | javispedro | does no one think of the children^Wfinal fantasy fans? |
| 18:28.51 | GAN900 | javispedro, no! Hello Kitty! |
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| 18:29.18 | Khertan_ | ah hem in fact not the email was sent because now smtp is allowed by my mobile isp |
| 18:29.44 | javispedro | let democracy do its job! hello kitty vs final fantasy theme |
| 18:30.37 | Khertan_ | ~ping |
| 18:30.38 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:30.44 | GAN900 | There can only be one! |
| 18:31.04 | Khertan_ | gan900 : none will be better |
| 18:31.21 | javispedro | there can only be none, then |
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| 18:32.12 | Khertan_ | connection will drop soon |
| 18:32.17 | Khertan_ | bye everyone |
| 18:32.22 | javispedro | cya Khertan_ |
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| 18:32.51 | Khertan_ | and if someone are looking for a python dev in paris ... i m open to any proposition ... |
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| 18:34.14 | wazd | so, who's gonna be tomorrow@fruct? :) |
| 18:36.40 | lcuk | wazd, is it in moscow? |
| 18:37.19 | Khertan_ | hum ... i think PyGTKEditor will got a new name .... so avoid that HAM stupid repository priority |
| 18:37.29 | wazd | lcuk: yep |
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| 18:37.59 | lcuk | i think theres someone i was speaking to today whos goin |
| 18:38.06 | lcuk | are you goin? |
| 18:38.28 | Khertan_ | maybe also a new open source licence the Khertan OSS licence which forbidden to upload it to maemo repository :) |
| 18:38.37 | wazd | lcuk: yep |
| 18:39.02 | wazd | lcuk: at least it's gonna be fun :) |
| 18:39.22 | Khertan_ | hum ... i'm far from any cities ... and still not lost 3G connection |
| 18:39.24 | javispedro | Khertan_: you're evil. |
| 18:39.30 | javispedro | :) |
| 18:39.32 | lcuk | yeah - theres a qt overview/training stuff there too isnt there |
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| 18:42.43 | javispedro | btw lcuk, I have to say that I hadn't yet tried liqflow with "gravity" yet |
| 18:42.56 | lcuk | what do you mean |
| 18:43.05 | javispedro | the one with accelerometer input |
| 18:43.06 | lcuk | ohhh you had an 810 last time |
| 18:43.23 | javispedro | it's pretty nice |
| 18:43.34 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:43.50 | javispedro | I think it adds "the missing touch" that makes liqflow quite entertaining |
| 18:44.13 | javispedro | says that after spending a few minutes glazing at it |
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| 18:44.33 | ptl | Khertan's connections died, it seems |
| 18:44.36 | lcuk | lol javispedro i have been too busy to finish the changes i want with it |
| 18:44.36 | ptl | 8connection |
| 18:44.36 | madduck | why are there applications for which i cannot add a shortcut to the desktop? |
| 18:44.38 | ptl | *connection |
| 18:44.47 | lcuk | tho suffice to say it works with sketches and selectable stuff |
| 18:45.24 | madduck | e.g. wireshark |
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| 18:46.27 | madduck | and is there no way to switch desktops while arranging icons and widgets? |
| 18:47.01 | javispedro | madduck: you can actually drag a widget to a corner |
| 18:47.02 | ptl | yes, there is |
| 18:47.09 | ptl | if you drag it to the corner it changes desktops |
| 18:47.47 | madduck | javispedro: yeah bugt then i cannot go back |
| 18:47.57 | javispedro | drag to the opposite corner :) |
| 18:48.01 | javispedro | ah |
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| 18:48.11 | madduck | so moving 10 to another desktop is PAIN |
| 18:48.18 | javispedro | it works here |
| 18:48.26 | javispedro | you have to drag from the outside of the screen |
| 18:48.29 | madduck | move, exit, switch, enter, move, ⦠|
| 18:48.36 | javispedro | s/drag/pan |
| 18:49.01 | madduck | nice |
| 18:49.05 | madduck | that works |
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| 18:49.19 | madduck | now how do i add a shortcut for wireshark? |
| 18:49.28 | javispedro | ask wireshark maintainer |
| 18:49.37 | javispedro | probably bad desktop file or the like |
| 18:49.39 | madduck | oh dear |
| 18:50.02 | madduck | i thought maemo is debian-based |
| 18:50.33 | lcuk | it is, just like we are likely "ape-based" |
| 18:50.39 | madduck | but debian is known for it just working ;) |
| 18:50.40 | lcuk | doesnt mean i swing from trees every day |
| 18:50.43 | madduck | lcuk: hehe |
| 18:50.52 | javispedro | debian is known for just working O.o? |
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| 18:51.22 | lcuk | goes making some code mods |
| 18:51.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | foreca once 'bricked' my devicce when trying to drag widget to anothher desktop |
| 18:52.12 | lcuk | bricked? |
| 18:52.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | infinite reboot |
| 18:52.21 | ShadowJK | how do they manage that :) |
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| 18:53.05 | lcuk | schrodingers widget |
| 18:53.22 | lcuk | its both active and not active, but you cannot tell until you get to desktop |
| 18:53.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: 'bricked' |
| 18:53.39 | lcuk | i know |
| 18:53.42 | lcuk | did you file a bug? |
| 18:54.12 | lcuk | if not, how do i reproduce it |
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| 18:54.18 | lcuk | i can test it now |
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| 18:55.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | Though I know better, I seem to slowly adopt the common usage pattern for that term |
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| 18:56.50 | javispedro | no! first you start misusing 'bricked', then you end up complaining about pr1.2 not having mms! |
| 18:56.55 | javispedro | it's the road to tmoness. |
| 18:57.59 | w00t | bricks DocScrutinizer |
| 18:58.04 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, it doesn't lack for inertia. ;) |
| 18:58.20 | GAN900 | I dunno, fMMS was damn easy to get working. |
| 18:58.33 | lcuk | fmms ftw |
| 18:58.44 | ShadowJK | Let's call it "barefoot" instead. unbootable, barefoot, get it |
| 18:58.51 | javispedro | unbarefootable? |
| 18:58.53 | wizkoder | What do I do if I need libcrypt++ on the N900 for ma program? |
| 18:59.07 | lcuk | get libcript++ on your n900? |
| 18:59.15 | lcuk | +spelling |
| 19:00.07 | wizkoder | lcuk: Can't find it with apt-cache. Should it be there? |
| 19:00.24 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 19:00.38 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 19:00.42 | lcuk | look for yourself |
| 19:00.49 | lcuk | and if not, you may have to port it |
| 19:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | ok, my device went barefoot on simply dragging the foreca widget from screen1 rightside to screen2. Instant reboot, and bootloop |
| 19:01.39 | wizkoder | lcuk: Its not there then. But the debian page states that an arm version exists. |
| 19:01.54 | javispedro | does one time offer: a pair of shoes for barefoot n900, only $99!!! |
| 19:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | btw, on a sidenote, I have to state 3G is severely borked on constantly losing connection while cell-handover |
| 19:03.40 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, last time mine borked was in january :-) |
| 19:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | broken ever since, or what? ;-P |
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| 19:06.43 | MarcusM | What is mostly used for watching vids on the n900? mp4? |
| 19:06.53 | Stskeeps | i use avi without transcoding :P |
| 19:07.20 | MarcusM | And why that, and not the others? (: |
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| 19:07.24 | MarcusM | Higher quality or? |
| 19:08.05 | nidO | dyou mean container, or codec? |
| 19:08.18 | MarcusM | Uhm, both I guess :P |
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| 19:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | let me put it this way: I click on the file or on the title in mediaplayer. Usually it plays and I don't care about format or codec |
| 19:09.39 | nidO | I have a whole range of media formats, mostly ffmpeg mp4's, xvid mp4's and avi, and h.264 mp4's |
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| 19:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | probably h.264 should be somewhat better supported, aiui, as it has hw acceleration via DSP |
| 19:11.11 | MarcusM | neat :p |
| 19:11.56 | nidO | h.264 can be unreliable actually iirc |
| 19:12.32 | nidO | I dont remember the details but I found a few of my media files wouldnt play, from what I remember theyre all h.264 encoded but I cant remember what was different about them compared to the rest of mine that dont work |
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| 19:12.52 | nidO | i'm yet to come across any divx/xvid/ffmeg mp4/avi's that dont play though |
| 19:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | might choke the DSP and need reboot to recover from broken video playback . that kind of unrelaiable? |
| 19:13.13 | nidO | no, just a few that blankly give an "unsupported media format" error |
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| 19:13.41 | nidO | they might have been in an mkv container for all I remember, ill check later |
| 19:13.54 | LuciusMare | http://pastebin.com/xrimXbQ2 - i guess this is not exactly wanted and expected behaviour... |
| 19:16.48 | MarcusM | loves http://www.uselesspython.com/ |
| 19:17.01 | LuciusMare | I have manually installed libgtkhtml12-0, though it still fails |
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| 19:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | ghtml2 vs libgtkhtml12. maybe 12 vs 2 doen't cut it? dunno |
| 19:20.44 | RST38h | moos at the moon |
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| 19:23.31 | LuciusMare | hah |
| 19:23.33 | konttori | madduck: in pr1.2 you can swipe and it'll pan also in edit mode. |
| 19:23.35 | LuciusMare | I misread it |
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| 19:23.52 | LuciusMare | yeah, i have "gtkhtml2" |
| 19:24.32 | LuciusMare | Nobody here uses anki? :< |
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| 19:24.47 | w00t | konttori: awwwwwesome. |
| 19:26.03 | konttori | well, doesn't really matter much imho. It's such a small pain that that fixes. |
| 19:26.17 | konttori | we should probably not even bothered to fix it. |
| 19:26.58 | w00t | it's a pain, and that means that fixing it is good :p |
| 19:27.09 | w00t | sometimes it's the small annoyances that get noticed |
| 19:27.12 | w00t | and that is one that I have noticed a lot |
| 19:28.45 | lcuk | actually konttori thats quite a nice fix |
| 19:28.49 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:29.13 | pillar | yeah, I agree |
| 19:29.30 | konttori | meh. I setup my widgets / contacts / bookmarks once, then I don't touch them almost at all anymore. |
| 19:30.04 | konttori | has been working on theming improvements and noticed that image-viewer and calendar have the ugliest-ever hardcodings in their gtkrc files. |
| 19:31.23 | lcuk | i thought you werent working! |
| 19:31.28 | lcuk | :p |
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| 19:32.43 | RST38h | konttori: unless the media widget stops working, then you remove it, then you readd it, then all the other widgets crash, then you add them one by one |
| 19:32.51 | RST38h | hides promptly =) |
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| 19:34.49 | javispedro | konttori: in pr1.1 you can also swipe, but only if you start the gesture from outside the screen (much like the browser cursor gesture) |
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| 19:35.02 | LuciusMare | aargh |
| 19:35.10 | LuciusMare | So i tried the qt version of anki |
| 19:35.23 | LuciusMare | ImportError: No module named QtGui |
| 19:35.40 | konttori | javispedro: ah, so, that's the same in 1.2 as well. I get lost in which we had implemented for which release |
| 19:36.45 | javispedro | can see it |
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| 19:37.09 | javispedro | I predict something will happen that will make me have to leave when the meego meeting starts |
| 19:37.47 | MarcusM | noobish question: How do I know if my sim card got 3g? Or isn't it regardless, as it depends on the phone? |
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| 19:38.52 | Myrtti | it's more about the subscription plan attached to that sim card than the sim card itself |
| 19:39.40 | MarcusM | But I would still be able to use the phone _even_ if I was unlucky enough not to have 3g? |
| 19:39.53 | lcuk | konttori, have you come up with any ways to solve those hard coded issues, or is it just something you are pondering |
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| 19:39.59 | Myrtti | MarcusM: probably |
| 19:40.11 | javispedro | harcoding things are the norm in maemo :) |
| 19:40.25 | javispedro | s/are/is |
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| 19:40.48 | konttori | lcuk: I added to theme maker themes to postinst rm <imageviewer gtkrc>. |
| 19:40.50 | mikkov | javispedro: have you tried new version of sgx drivers from sdk on device? |
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| 19:41.22 | javispedro | mikkov: nope. is that even sane? I would have though they would be shims. |
| 19:41.45 | konttori | I haven't yet come up with perfect plan how to 'fix' calendar, but I think I'll just manually create sane gtkrc for it and then add postinst to replace existing one with that. Evil, but what can you do? |
| 19:41.46 | mikkov | I don't know. That's why asked you? :) |
| 19:41.56 | javispedro | then no, I didn't :) |
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| 19:42.21 | konttori | I also worked on the messaging css and html files and fixed those views to support portrait mode. |
| 19:42.22 | andrewfblack | konttori: I'm getting some reports from some people working on themes that their themes are failing due to [2010-03-24 21:30:49] Unable to satisfy build-deps: hildon-theme-layout-5 (< 0.14.0) is that because hildon-theme-layout-5 got updated to 0.15.0-1+0m5 yesterday? |
| 19:42.48 | konttori | it was only a matter of dropping some width settings and changing some widths to max-widths. |
| 19:42.56 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 19:43.00 | Arif_ | wants a DSi XL |
| 19:43.12 | javispedro | nice! |
| 19:43.13 | pupnik | can we block wd.sharethis.com from overwriting the url in microb ??? |
| 19:43.14 | konttori | andrewfblack: probably. No idea though. |
| 19:43.18 | Arif_ | but the colors suck! |
| 19:43.20 | Arif_ | ;( |
| 19:43.58 | Kegetys | argh, is there some way to intercept the IM sound+vibration event and drop it for certain chats? chatter on a skype group chat constantly beeping and whirring the N900 is getting really really annoying |
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| 19:45.33 | lcuk | konttori, nice :) |
| 19:45.55 | LuciusMare | lol |
| 19:46.16 | LuciusMare | I wonder why is the anki in repos, while it can't even start |
| 19:46.28 | lcuk | which repository is it in? |
| 19:46.36 | lcuk | and what does it do |
| 19:46.39 | lcuk | or meant to do |
| 19:46.49 | LuciusMare | lcuk: a flashcard software |
| 19:47.12 | konttori | LuciusMare: by repos, do you mean devel? |
| 19:47.26 | LuciusMare | probably |
| 19:47.30 | LuciusMare | (i know) |
| 19:47.41 | LuciusMare | But one would kinda expect a little problems |
| 19:47.45 | lcuk | then, its sole purpose is being there is to give oyu incentive to fix it |
| 19:47.51 | lcuk | i expect a patch by morning :p |
| 19:48.12 | LuciusMare | oh...oh. |
| 19:48.42 | lcuk | can it accept custom card sets? |
| 19:48.46 | LuciusMare | yes |
| 19:48.49 | lcuk | cool |
| 19:49.00 | LuciusMare | it even can download them from the net |
| 19:49.12 | lcuk | do you need a "how to fix broken apps" flashcard set? |
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| 19:49.23 | LuciusMare | heh |
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| 19:49.52 | lcuk | #meego-meeting starting in 12minutes |
| 19:49.57 | LuciusMare | can't fix any apps |
| 19:50.17 | lcuk | LuciusMare, but you could contact the developer and report it |
| 19:50.30 | lcuk | having users interested in his packages might give incentive for him to cure |
| 19:50.47 | LuciusMare | hm, I will |
| 19:51.10 | lcuk | :) |
| 19:51.35 | LuciusMare | At least it's python |
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| 19:53.27 | LuciusMare | geeze, just the dependencies take 6% of rootfs |
| 19:53.43 | LuciusMare | It looks like a job for... /opt ! |
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| 19:54.50 | LuciusMare | lcuk: yeah, sorry, I didn't notice i didnt turn off the devel |
| 19:55.06 | LuciusMare | i thought it is in "standard" extras |
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| 19:55.29 | lcuk | LuciusMare, no need to apologise :) |
| 19:55.35 | lcuk | just contact the app dev anyway |
| 19:55.39 | lcuk | same reason applies |
| 19:56.26 | lcuk | im goin concentrating on #meego-meeting for a bit anyway |
| 19:56.52 | LuciusMare | yes, but installing an app from -devel and moaning on irc that it does not work is... |
| 19:57.05 | LuciusMare | lcuk: what's going to happen there? |
| 19:57.41 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 19:58.00 | Arif_ | the app manager is awfully slow lately :( |
| 19:58.04 | Arif_ | it needs a rewrite! |
| 19:58.29 | ptl | it keeps spinning, isn't it? |
| 19:58.32 | LuciusMare | Arif_: go ahead |
| 19:58.34 | ptl | it needs to stop spinning, only that |
| 19:58.46 | Arif_ | it takes 5 minutes to open the category list |
| 19:58.51 | Arif_ | and another 20 to open the list of apps |
| 19:58.59 | Arif_ | </exaggerate> |
| 19:59.27 | jacekowski | it's related to it updating package list every time |
| 19:59.31 | jacekowski | and that's what takes a time |
| 19:59.45 | Arif_ | maybe I should disable devel |
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| 20:00.20 | LuciusMare | Arif_: i recommend, it is a breeze |
| 20:00.36 | Arif_ | but all the fun apps that don't work are there ;( |
| 20:00.44 | ptl | is it written in python? |
| 20:01.14 | LuciusMare | Well, yes. The drawback of it is that you lose access to the non-functional apps |
| 20:01.44 | Arif_ | I only added it for drnoksnes anyway |
| 20:01.46 | Arif_ | :D |
| 20:01.50 | LuciusMare | ptl: i assume |
| 20:01.55 | LuciusMare | drnoksnes? |
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| 20:02.02 | javispedro | Arif_: yes no need to remind me the damage I done. |
| 20:02.07 | LuciusMare | oh, SNES |
| 20:02.12 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 20:02.12 | javispedro | fortunately drnoksnes is now on -testing, so disable -devel ALREADY! |
| 20:02.24 | Arif_ | but now picodrive is in devel! |
| 20:02.44 | Arif_ | oh and maybe qtirrecco will be fixed someday |
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| 20:02.54 | LuciusMare | someday |
| 20:03.05 | LuciusMare | someday, you will enable it again |
| 20:03.05 | Arif_ | doubts it |
| 20:03.18 | ptl | recode it in C++ and it will be faster if the algorithm is the same. |
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| 20:03.44 | Arif_ | maybe my IR is broken |
| 20:03.50 | LuciusMare | lol |
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| 20:04.17 | LuciusMare | ohai speed |
| 20:05.07 | Arif_ | aww |
| 20:05.11 | Arif_ | drnoksnes needs one more vote |
| 20:05.25 | LuciusMare | is not voting |
| 20:05.31 | Arif_ | why not |
| 20:05.49 | LuciusMare | First, i have no idea what voting are you talking about ;p |
| 20:06.06 | Arif_ | extras-testing |
| 20:06.14 | LuciusMare | to get there? |
| 20:06.35 | Arif_ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/drnoksnes/1.3.4/ |
| 20:06.39 | lcuk | who is imadsousou |
| 20:06.40 | LuciusMare | and, it's a snes emulator? And is it good? |
| 20:06.49 | Arif_ | yes and yes |
| 20:07.09 | Arif_ | only thing bad about it is the keyboard is too crappy to play properly :P |
| 20:07.20 | Arif_ | +that |
| 20:07.44 | LuciusMare | buy a wiimote :) |
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| 20:09.29 | ptl | I voted for drnoksnes |
| 20:09.38 | ptl | 10 votes |
| 20:09.47 | ptl | I use it regularly and it's pretty stable |
| 20:09.49 | RST38h | just read it as "dorksnes". Oh shit. |
| 20:09.57 | ptl | lol |
| 20:10.03 | ptl | yeah, the name is weird |
| 20:10.15 | javispedro | it has quite a story behind it |
| 20:10.17 | javispedro | well, not. |
| 20:10.19 | ptl | I often change the letter order |
| 20:10.33 | ptl | but it's doctor Nok SNES |
| 20:10.37 | javispedro | yep |
| 20:10.39 | ptl | so, dr. nok snes |
| 20:10.40 | LuciusMare | "Dork's NES" ? |
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| 20:11.19 | javispedro | comes from mixing drpocketsnes and nokiasnes |
| 20:11.20 | ptl | I don't know who is doctor Nok. Is he better than Gregory House? Is he a pediatrician? A neurologist? |
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| 20:11.34 | ptl | oh... |
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| 20:11.37 | LuciusMare | ptl: no way better than drwho |
| 20:11.39 | javispedro | And I didn't made any of the those two names :) |
| 20:11.43 | RST38h | Dr Nok is the Nokia founder |
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| 20:12.08 | Arif_ | ptl, its Alan Harper in disguise! |
| 20:12.16 | RST38h | He used the first Nokian tire to catch the Fish, as shown at the first Nokia logo |
| 20:12.21 | Arif_ | oh btw |
| 20:12.32 | Arif_ | the Wiimote doesn't have enough buttons to use as SNES controller |
| 20:12.41 | Arif_ | unless you can use the classic controller, which I doubt ;9 |
| 20:12.43 | ptl | Imagine if Dr. Nok had married the debian founder. Instead of deb + ian we'd have Nokian GNU/Linux. |
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| 20:13.28 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 20:14.04 | ptl | detects obscure reference to first Nokia logo and will google for it |
| 20:15.01 | LuciusMare | Wasn't nokia first a tire making company? |
| 20:15.05 | ptl | Nokia sold rubber bands? |
| 20:15.08 | RST38h | Rubber products |
| 20:15.08 | ptl | yes |
| 20:15.14 | LuciusMare | erm |
| 20:15.15 | RST38h | Tires, boots, condoms |
| 20:15.19 | ptl | http://www.about-nokia.com/history/logo.php |
| 20:15.21 | LuciusMare | right |
| 20:15.22 | ptl | lol |
| 20:15.26 | lpotter | actually timber |
| 20:15.26 | LuciusMare | "connecting people" |
| 20:15.34 | RST38h | Which kinda makes me wonder why they can't produce a decent body protector... |
| 20:15.43 | ptl | condoms really do connect people |
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| 20:15.53 | LuciusMare | yeah, more like separate |
| 20:15.54 | LuciusMare | :P |
| 20:16.16 | ptl | they isolate, but they help connecting without dire consequences |
| 20:16.22 | ptl | so they help connecting |
| 20:16.31 | ptl | the pope complains about that all the time |
| 20:16.31 | LuciusMare | hm... |
| 20:16.47 | LuciusMare | puts a condom on his ethernet cable going to the internet |
| 20:17.02 | RST38h | ptl: He has probably got spines and needles all over, so he cannot use condoms |
| 20:17.06 | RST38h | Hence complaints. |
| 20:17.28 | Arif_ | they made paper too, right? |
| 20:17.29 | Arif_ | :O |
| 20:17.46 | RST38h | really gnight now |
| 20:17.50 | Arif_ | LuciusMare, it only protects %99 of all attacks! |
| 20:18.25 | LuciusMare | gah |
| 20:19.28 | Arif_ | sends LuciusMare N900 PR1.2 3.2010.09-9 EURO.bin.exe |
| 20:19.57 | condom | filters out the attack |
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| 20:21.07 | Arif_ | turns DMZ on in LuciusMare's router |
| 20:21.19 | ptl | that recalled me of a bug report I opened in ubuntu when my firefox tried to run a virus from a webpage through wine. |
| 20:21.29 | Arif_ | lol |
| 20:21.39 | LuciusMare | hah |
| 20:21.59 | lcuk | i still dont know who valhalla and imadsousou are |
| 20:22.10 | Stskeeps | the two dictators of meego |
| 20:22.18 | lcuk | or even which channel im on |
| 20:22.23 | ptl | that was one of the supidest bugs ever. And they were not finding where to fix it. A simple change in mailcap would do it... |
| 20:22.25 | lcuk | lol |
| 20:22.42 | ptl | well, I'm curious |
| 20:22.49 | ptl | let's see what happened to this bug report |
| 20:22.57 | LuciusMare | ptl: why didnt you tell them? |
| 20:23.06 | ptl | i did |
| 20:23.17 | Arif_ | I reported one bug and I'm still waiting for a fix |
| 20:23.18 | Arif_ | :P |
| 20:23.43 | LuciusMare | I once reported a bug |
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| 20:24.14 | LuciusMare | with a patch |
| 20:24.20 | LuciusMare | took them two months |
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| 20:25.56 | ptl | hmm... didn't find |
| 20:26.03 | LuciusMare | :( |
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| 20:26.15 | Arif_ | yawns at Moomo 5 |
| 20:27.41 | ptl | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/309214 -- I opened it 18 dec. 2008 |
| 20:27.59 | ptl | not resolved yet |
| 20:28.30 | Hoxzer_ | anybody has a lirc configs for irreco? |
| 20:28.51 | ptl | oh |
| 20:28.54 | ptl | fix was committed. |
| 20:29.03 | ptl | there was a duplicate... which has a higher number? |
| 20:29.18 | ptl | Hoxzer_: you have to search the lirc configuration page |
| 20:29.19 | LuciusMare | the later one |
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| 20:30.22 | ptl | LuciusMare: yes, and how can my ticket be a duplicate of a later one? isn't it the opposite? |
| 20:30.27 | ptl | oh well |
| 20:30.28 | ptl | let it be |
| 20:30.37 | ptl | the bug is fixed anway |
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| 20:34.13 | Arif_ | yay for opensource with community input! |
| 20:34.15 | Arif_ | :P |
| 20:34.44 | LuciusMare | yay for. |
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| 20:41.48 | Shapeshifter | is looking forward to the pyside release |
| 20:42.08 | LuciusMare | Oh, and any progress with usb host/serial communication? |
| 20:42.09 | ptl | why the name pyside anyway? |
| 20:42.26 | ptl | it doesn't remind me of qt |
| 20:42.31 | Shapeshifter | ptl: ask #pyside? |
| 20:42.34 | Shapeshifter | ^^ |
| 20:42.37 | ptl | let's see |
| 20:44.06 | ptl | no response |
| 20:44.25 | Shapeshifter | ptl: It's a relatively quiet place |
| 20:44.39 | Shapeshifter | ptl: AND you got an answer just now |
| 20:44.46 | LuciusMare | :D |
| 20:45.03 | LuciusMare | so, ptl? |
| 20:45.03 | Arif_ | I crave roasted sunflower seeds... |
| 20:45.12 | Arif_ | ={ |
| 20:45.22 | Shapeshifter | 21:44 < baraujo > ptl, Py for Python and "Side" is the finnish word for "binding", IIRC |
| 20:45.31 | LuciusMare | ha |
| 20:45.42 | mortal | is it possible to automatically form a radio station list on n800? |
| 20:46.04 | Shapeshifter | which makes sense, because part of the pyside project is general C++ binding generation for python, not just Qt. |
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| 20:46.47 | LuciusMare | any progress with usb host/serial communication? |
| 20:47.01 | acidjazz | i think maemo shoudl get an award for people contributing the most useless apps ever in the history of cell phones |
| 20:47.22 | acidjazz | MRAWviewer is an image viewer for RAW image file formats as those produced by modern DSLRs. |
| 20:47.28 | acidjazz | yea cuz we all need that on our cell phones |
| 20:47.38 | LuciusMare | acidjazz: yeah, it also ran through my mind when seeing such as "daddyhelper" "girlperiodwatch" |
| 20:47.47 | acidjazz | lol |
| 20:47.53 | javispedro | yes yes! we need more fart apps! |
| 20:47.54 | achipa | acidjazz: cuz fart apps are overrated |
| 20:48.01 | Shapeshifter | acidjazz: the point is, if one persone needs it, he can just write it in any language they want, and offer it. if only one other person also uses it, it's already win. |
| 20:48.14 | LuciusMare | well, raw viewer is at least reasonable |
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| 20:48.19 | ptl | is there at least one fart app for the N900? |
| 20:48.28 | achipa | ptl: moobox |
| 20:48.32 | GeneralAntilles | acidjazz: yeah, not iPhone and it's 1001 farts apps or anything. |
| 20:48.38 | Shapeshifter | ptl: cat /usr/share/icons/*/*/* > /dev/dsp? |
| 20:48.43 | LuciusMare | lmao |
| 20:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | acidjazz: just because YOU can't envision a usage for it, doesn't mean other people wont. |
| 20:48.46 | javispedro | and if there isnt i will send you boxed farts by free |
| 20:48.52 | acidjazz | GeneralAntilles: the iphone also has apps that are useful as all hell |
| 20:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, so does Maemo! |
| 20:49.11 | GeneralAntilles | uses FBReader every day. |
| 20:49.16 | LuciusMare | +1 |
| 20:49.17 | ptl | Shapeshifter: lol |
| 20:49.26 | acidjazz | sure it does |
| 20:49.30 | ptl | Shapeshifter: why not vmlinuz? the kernel song! |
| 20:49.55 | GeneralAntilles | acidjazz: so your point is, nothing? |
| 20:49.55 | Shapeshifter | mh. no /dev/dsp :o |
| 20:50.06 | Shapeshifter | ptl: icons music usually has great rythms |
| 20:50.10 | Shapeshifter | but some farts as well. |
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| 20:51.16 | Shapeshifter | btw, some dude in here was right yesterday. turning off skype (just IM, never called anyone) increased my battery life at least 2h over a day. |
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| 20:51.50 | LuciusMare | never turns on im unless he want to contact someone |
| 20:52.06 | javispedro | dont you measure your battery life in weeks then |
| 20:52.24 | LuciusMare | no, i use my n900 as a lightbulb |
| 20:52.27 | acidjazz | GeneralAntilles: we _Dont_ have those useful apps |
| 20:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | acidjazz: bullshit. |
| 20:52.35 | ptl | Shapeshifter: activate SmartReflex!!! :P |
| 20:52.47 | acidjazz | GeneralAntilles: show me shazam .. pandora .. fucking google maps. |
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| 20:53.07 | acidjazz | GeneralAntilles: show me one app we have thats a top 20 or top 50 appf or iphone or android |
| 20:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | We have a browser that doesn't suck which eliminates 90% of the crap you're going to pull up. |
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| 20:53.20 | acidjazz | thats not an app |
| 20:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Right, because having a browser that can actually do stuff means you don't need dedicated applications to do Google searches. . . . |
| 20:54.16 | acidjazz | you're getting off topic |
| 20:54.19 | acidjazz | and you're also wrong |
| 20:54.23 | Shapeshifter | ptl: any downsides? I read there "might" be crashes and stuff |
| 20:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | acidjazz: clearly. |
| 20:54.41 | GeneralAntilles | acidjazz: troll elsewhere. |
| 20:55.19 | ptl | Shapeshifter: I didn't use it, I have no issues with the somewhat short battery life. Everywhere I go there's an outlet. |
| 20:55.22 | ptl | *I don't use it |
| 20:55.25 | LuciusMare | if we dont have them, go ahead and write them |
| 20:55.37 | ptl | but it seems that your mileage may vary wildly |
| 20:55.52 | LuciusMare | mileage ^^ |
| 20:55.54 | ptl | some people on the bug report page report all kinds of reboots and problem... other people report no issues at all |
| 20:56.11 | javispedro | i enabled smartreflex this morning |
| 20:56.32 | javispedro | it seems there is a bit of an improvement when not in idle |
| 20:56.42 | javispedro | but none at all in idle time |
| 20:56.51 | javispedro | (speculation only for now) |
| 20:57.03 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro: wasn't there a stability issue? |
| 20:57.07 | ptl | I translated the recipe to portuguese and posted in a couple brazilian sites. |
| 20:57.08 | konttori | lcuk: I just sent you nuvo 1.08 to your gmail. Have a go while talking on the meego-meeting |
| 20:57.14 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like Igor had something to say about it on -developers. . . |
| 20:57.34 | ptl | with a big red warning, of course... |
| 20:57.59 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: yes I backed up stuff. no problems so far though. |
| 20:58.28 | ptl | shake your phone, see if it reboots. |
| 20:58.37 | javispedro | does |
| 20:58.56 | javispedro | no reboots. |
| 20:59.01 | LuciusMare | what is smartreflex? |
| 20:59.11 | Shapeshifter | LuciusMare: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7633 |
| 20:59.17 | SpeedEvil | varying supply volts |
| 20:59.18 | povbot | Bug 7633: Enable SmartReflex on N900 by default |
| 20:59.19 | ptl | LuciusMare: a hidden feature of the N900 processor that helps extend battery life |
| 20:59.43 | ptl | not really hidden |
| 20:59.46 | ptl | but not advertised |
| 20:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | was just typing that |
| 20:59.52 | ptl | and no enabled by default |
| 20:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | Well, TI advertises it. |
| 21:00.00 | SpeedEvil | so hidden that there are several hundred pages in the datasheet about it. |
| 21:00.04 | javispedro | not really hidden and doesnt improve much :) |
| 21:00.51 | Shapeshifter | what a random mixed bag of experiences with enabling this... |
| 21:01.19 | ptl | yeah, I figured the same. |
| 21:01.22 | ptl | no pattern there |
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| 21:01.48 | LuciusMare | confirming, i will not enable it till someone finds the pattern |
| 21:01.54 | javispedro | because nobody does formal testing |
| 21:01.54 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter: seems a popular trait for OMAP3 features. |
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| 21:03.04 | ptl | what is better: fcron, alarmed or system event scheduler? |
| 21:03.06 | ptl | *which |
| 21:03.14 | Shapeshifter | ptl: alarmed, because I wrote it :P |
| 21:03.23 | LuciusMare | ha |
| 21:03.41 | Shapeshifter | ptl: I haven't actually tried the others ;) fcron seems nice though. alarmed as a gui. |
| 21:03.43 | LuciusMare | i got a call, it ended... but the portrait mode stood |
| 21:03.43 | ptl | Is it stable? I've read in the very beginning that it had some issues (and congrats for theapp) |
| 21:03.51 | LuciusMare | is typing sideways |
| 21:03.52 | javispedro | system, because you can count on it existing |
| 21:04.10 | Shapeshifter | What's this "system event scheduler"? |
| 21:04.11 | javispedro | and it will even power on the handheld for you :) |
| 21:04.14 | javispedro | alarmd |
| 21:04.17 | ptl | huh? no, system event scheduler is a new app |
| 21:04.19 | javispedro | without the e |
| 21:04.23 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: alarmed is a frontend I wrote for alarmd. |
| 21:04.28 | ptl | it's in extras-devel |
| 21:04.28 | Shapeshifter | so it uses alarmd. |
| 21:04.34 | javispedro | ah, good job then |
| 21:04.35 | ptl | http://nokia-n900.com/silent-on-time-system-event-scheduler/ |
| 21:04.47 | LuciusMare | wait, how can it turn on the handheld? |
| 21:05.02 | javispedro | it calls a zombie |
| 21:05.10 | javispedro | which does it for you |
| 21:05.21 | LuciusMare | right, but... nevermind |
| 21:05.35 | ptl | a cron-like daemon that works when the device is off? That would be terrific, lol |
| 21:05.43 | javispedro | it does it like your average pc98 does |
| 21:05.54 | Shapeshifter | ptl: seems like that's something similar to alarmed. but I know that mine got quite a nice set of features including specifying your own commands. |
| 21:05.55 | javispedro | with an rtc and a good power supply. |
| 21:06.08 | LuciusMare | never figured out how does it do that |
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| 21:06.29 | MarcusM | Is it possible to disable _all_ kind of mobile internet and only allow wifi? Curious (: |
| 21:06.32 | ds3 | has anyone tried creating a Maemo4 chroot environment on a N900? |
| 21:06.35 | Shapeshifter | ptl: also, alarmd (and as such the alarmed frontend) does turn the device on indeed. And I can't even implement an option to turn that behavior off because it's missing from the pymaemo bindings -.- |
| 21:07.03 | MarcusM | on n900 that is. |
| 21:07.08 | Shapeshifter | the pymaemo bindings are crippled. and once I reported a bug including fix (very obvious bug that completely brakes dbus event scheduling) and it's not fixed to this day. |
| 21:07.20 | asj_ | hey that's my program, lol |
| 21:07.22 | LuciusMare | define: once |
| 21:07.32 | Arif_ | MarcusM, offline mode? :P |
| 21:07.45 | LuciusMare | Arif_: wifi at offline mode, indeed |
| 21:07.51 | MarcusM | Arif_: That wouldn't exactly allow incoming calls/sms, would it? :P |
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| 21:07.58 | MarcusM | I only meant data etc. |
| 21:08.11 | Arif_ | its hard to allow sms/calls when the network is disabled |
| 21:08.14 | Arif_ | XD |
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| 21:08.34 | nidO | how about just delete your mobile internet apn? |
| 21:08.41 | MarcusM | I mean the web network etc :P All the expensive part (: |
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| 21:08.54 | Arif_ | get a web only sim :P |
| 21:09.32 | Arif_ | I never notice incoming SMS messages |
| 21:09.36 | Arif_ | the sound is so quiet.... |
| 21:09.37 | dneary | VDVsx, Ping? |
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| 21:09.45 | Arif_ | and doesn't play when you're listening to music |
| 21:09.48 | MarcusM | I'm being misunderstood (: I want to temporary only allow the n900 to do calls & sms via my sim. No auto-connect to mobile network. |
| 21:09.51 | VDVsx | dneary, pong |
| 21:09.51 | user__ | hi |
| 21:10.01 | nidO | just turn auto connect off... |
| 21:10.05 | Arif_ | MarcusM, disabled auto connect to internet |
| 21:10.13 | dneary | VDVsx, I don't know if you saw jacktanner's request on "ask the council" - I sent him on to you because the situation is kind of delicate |
| 21:10.15 | Arif_ | it'll always ask, though :P |
| 21:10.18 | MarcusM | nid0: I do not have a n900 yet, so I wouldn't be able to mess with that yet ;) |
| 21:10.21 | asj_ | LuciusMare: the alarm server can turn on the phone if you ask it to. So if you have an alarm set like "time to get dressed" the phone can turn on and give you the alarm |
| 21:10.22 | MarcusM | Arif_: Ah, god. |
| 21:10.23 | MarcusM | good |
| 21:10.34 | Arif_ | but that really annoyed me after 10 minutes |
| 21:10.35 | ptl | Shapeshifter: I misunderstood it, when you said it turned the device on I thought that you meant that it was really off -- powered off, not screen-off. |
| 21:10.47 | Arif_ | now to implement auto disconnect and Nokia's done |
| 21:10.48 | dneary | He missed the account creation date window by 2 weeks for election eligibility, but he's been doing stuff in Maemoi since Christmas. |
| 21:10.55 | dneary | It's a grey zone |
| 21:10.56 | Shapeshifter | ptl: yeah, "really off". |
| 21:11.10 | user__ | i'm on n900 with xchat, what i can do to view the user list? sorry for my english i'm italian. |
| 21:11.12 | Shapeshifter | ptl: btw, cpython is "the" python. the usual python interpreter everyone uses. |
| 21:11.25 | ptl | Shapeshifter: oh |
| 21:11.25 | Shapeshifter | ptl: if you run python, you run cpython (in almost every case). |
| 21:11.29 | ptl | ok |
| 21:11.33 | dneary | So I told him he's not eligible according to the rules, but perhaps you might allow him to vote based on his activity |
| 21:11.38 | ptl | instead of jython, is it? |
| 21:11.42 | VDVsx | dneary, no, I'm with limited Internet these days(mobile only), only saw some mails and I'm attending the meeting now |
| 21:12.19 | dneary | I'm easy either way, but since the rules were established to prevent ballot-stuffing, and this is clearly not ballot stuffing, I'd personally (if the decision were mine) tend towards including him |
| 21:12.26 | ptl | Shapeshifter: there is no way to turn the device on if no software is running... it's powered off! That's what I understood... |
| 21:12.34 | VDVsx | dneary, don't know nothing about him or his activities, but fine by me |
| 21:12.34 | Shapeshifter | ptl: python is just a language, so there are some other interpreters but they're slower and have less features. cpython is the usual one. yeah jython is also another interpreter |
| 21:12.39 | dneary | VDVsx, It's in the "Ask the council" thread on Talk that he made the request |
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| 21:12.51 | Shapeshifter | ptl: no, there's something in the "BIOS" so to speak that can turn the device on |
| 21:13.02 | Shapeshifter | only taking out the battery will completely make it dead |
| 21:13.06 | ptl | Shapeshifter: at a given, programmed time? |
| 21:13.13 | Shapeshifter | ptl: yeah. |
| 21:13.21 | ptl | hmmm, wow. How to do this? |
| 21:13.43 | Shapeshifter | ptl: you can do that with most modern PCs btw in bios. on the n900? well alarmd/libalarm provides that functionality. |
| 21:13.47 | Jaffa | dneary: If we took the "maemo.org" account to mean any account on maemo.org (which we do for talk.maemo.org), then bugs.maemo.org counts similarly, surely? |
| 21:13.51 | nidO | ptl it's worth noting almost all mobile phones since the dawn of time have been able to do this |
| 21:13.54 | nidO | along with all pc's |
| 21:13.55 | VDVsx | dneary, will try to check later, but ok from my side, better send him to council at maemo dot org, if there's need for a more formal clearance |
| 21:13.56 | Jaffa | dneary: AIUI, his bugs.maemo.org account is older |
| 21:14.23 | ptl | nidO: I didn't know that, I've never seen a phone turn on by itself after I have turned it off. |
| 21:14.35 | nidO | in most cases it's just used for the alarms in phones |
| 21:14.36 | jacekowski | ptl: RTC |
| 21:14.37 | Shapeshifter | ptl: until now most of them just did that for alarms |
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| 21:14.41 | nidO | set an alarm, turn the phone off |
| 21:14.42 | jacekowski | ptl: in bios settings |
| 21:14.46 | dneary | Jaffa, By 3 weeks, yes |
| 21:14.50 | nidO | time gets reached, phone switches itself on, alarm goes off |
| 21:14.52 | jacekowski | ptl: you can tell it to wake up pc at specified time |
| 21:14.58 | dneary | Jaffa, Which is why it's a grey area :) |
| 21:15.04 | jacekowski | ptl: because pc never shut's down really |
| 21:15.11 | jacekowski | at least not atx pc |
| 21:15.19 | dneary | VDVsx, He chose to do it in the open, on Talk. <shrug> |
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| 21:15.31 | Jaffa | dneary: But does his bugs.maemo.org account creation date preceded the deadline? If so, it doesn't seem *very* grey to _me_ |
| 21:16.31 | VDVsx | dneary, can't promise anything, but you know my answer now (stupid ISP grrrr) |
| 21:16.54 | MarcusM | ptl: I almost shitted myself when my phone suddenly started alarming while it was turned off. Now I know why. Rofl |
| 21:17.00 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:17.56 | ptl | MarcusM: I've never seen that happen, I'd be alarmed too, I live alone and my cats don't know how to turn on my devices :P |
| 21:18.07 | dneary | Jaffa, Rules is rules |
| 21:18.18 | ptl | VDVsx: you only have to promise PR1.2 gets released now! |
| 21:18.59 | Jaffa | dneary: Indeed, but we parse "maemo.org account" to mean "any account on maemo.org"; including Garage, Talk and - by extension - Bugs. Better to have the discussion than not, of course |
| 21:19.45 | VDVsx | ptl, will be released until the end of the year, my dog promises that :P |
| 21:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | is with Jaffa. |
| 21:20.37 | ptl | VDVsx: THIS year? |
| 21:21.06 | VDVsx | ptl, let me ask |
| 21:21.08 | VDVsx | yes |
| 21:21.23 | ptl | well, something's better than nothing |
| 21:21.59 | VDVsx | I'm joking of course, I don't know nothing about that, neither have a dog :P |
| 21:22.19 | ptl | oh :( |
| 21:22.21 | dneary | Jaffa, And by "we" you mean "I"? |
| 21:22.39 | VDVsx | ptl, sorry :P |
| 21:22.44 | dneary | Jaffa, I parse it by "date of account creation in the Midgard dump I get sent when I ask for it" |
| 21:22.50 | VDVsx | ptl, better ask a Nokian about that :P |
| 21:23.13 | dneary | And to figure out more, I need to go digging - spent half an hour looking to see what Mr. Tanner did to get his karma, and when, this morning |
| 21:23.20 | Jaffa | dneary: And by "we" I mean "we, the community, that you do" |
| 21:23.44 | Jaffa | dneary: The last election definitely, explicitly, included tmo accounts cos I worked with Reggie to give you a list of ones which were 3 weeks or older |
| 21:24.22 | ptl | I thought you were a nokian, VDVsx. Indeed, I thought you were "the" nokian, something like a leader. |
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| 21:25.29 | VDVsx | ptl, lolol, nop only Maemo Community council member for a few more days ;) |
| 21:26.00 | javispedro | lies! |
| 21:26.21 | javispedro | you're planning a coup detat, evil chairman! |
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| 21:26.53 | VDVsx | trip to vegas with the imaginary council money :P |
| 21:27.08 | javispedro | arggh |
| 21:27.49 | dneary | Jaffa, I also included talk accounts this election (got the cut-off date for talk IDs & there were 6 or 7 who had previously existing Talk accounts who made the karma requirement) |
| 21:28.10 | dneary | But for (for example) wikibedia edits or bugzilla bug reports, it's trickier |
| 21:28.28 | dneary | VDVsx, Enjoy your imaginary winnings ! |
| 21:28.44 | Jaffa | dneary: Wikipedia edits, to be signed, require a garage account don't they? |
| 21:28.59 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx: lol. |
| 21:29.03 | Jaffa | s/Wikipedia/wiki/ |
| 21:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx: welcome to the "I thought you were a Nokian" club. :P |
| 21:29.25 | SpeedEvil | Wow. It's amazing how much better sandpapering my touchscreen made it. |
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| 21:29.39 | SpeedEvil | (blocks is bad) |
| 21:29.52 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil: SANDPAPER? |
| 21:30.08 | SpeedEvil | (it was 2um sandpaper) |
| 21:30.29 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ehehe, but everybody knows that you're a undercover Nokian :p |
| 21:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil: texture change? |
| 21:30.37 | SpeedEvil | leaves stuff shiny. |
| 21:31.07 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles, naah - lots of scratches around the block origin point. |
| 21:31.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. |
| 21:32.01 | jacekowski | they could have used capacitive touch screen |
| 21:32.05 | jacekowski | with glass |
| 21:32.10 | SpeedEvil | and pockets with sand in. |
| 21:32.13 | jacekowski | much more resilient |
| 21:32.30 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you are carrying sand in your pockets? |
| 21:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | jacekowski: pfft |
| 21:32.43 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: pants made of sandpaper |
| 21:32.45 | GeneralAntilles | Much more useless, too. |
| 21:33.03 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski, gardening. |
| 21:33.16 | Shapeshifter | firefox is pretty awesome. but it's extremely lame that it's in ovi. |
| 21:33.21 | dneary | Jaffa, Well spotted |
| 21:33.40 | dneary | The tricky ones are blog karma, bugs activity, talk |
| 21:33.58 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski, http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ listening to mp3 doing above. |
| 21:34.20 | jacekowski | btw. |
| 21:34.24 | jacekowski | i lost my headphones |
| 21:34.29 | jacekowski | where i can get a replacement? |
| 21:34.32 | SpeedEvil | was playing with desktop ff using n900 as display |
| 21:34.42 | SpeedEvil | interesting. |
| 21:35.03 | SpeedEvil | all-in-one gestures. |
| 21:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter: too lazy to fix their packaging. |
| 21:36.40 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: well ff generally should fix their whole directory structure and everything |
| 21:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | Emphasis on the everything |
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| 21:39.02 | Guest71122 | hello. what sw can i use to backup my n900? ovi suite 2 tells me that my n900 is not supported |
| 21:39.28 | nidO | try the backup tool on the device named "Backup" in it's menu |
| 21:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 21:40.43 | ds3 | alright... guess I'll try it and see what happens then |
| 21:41.10 | Guest71122 | hm.... i've installed a really old version of the pc suite which supports my phone. i cant believe the n900 isn't supported by ovi |
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| 21:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | ds3: how was week one with the N900, by the way? |
| 21:47.10 | ds3 | GA: mixed... too many apps I couldn't use... short battery life; the pluses are the screen is great... the supplied apps work great with the new UI but they lack features... and I still need to learn about widgets |
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| 21:49.01 | GeneralAntilles | ds3: how short of a battery life? |
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| 21:51.22 | ds3 | GA: barely a day (email only) |
| 21:51.34 | ds3 | the N800 did much better with tethering |
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| 21:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | ds3: yeah, cellular is rather killer |
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| 21:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | ds3: signal strength can be a big one, too |
| 21:54.33 | GeneralAntilles | I get about 10 hours at my parents house thanks to the faraday cage that is plaster and lead paint |
| 21:54.42 | ds3 | *nod* I'm in low coverage areas a lot |
| 21:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | and about 16 at my apartment |
| 21:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | ds3: carry a second battery and call it a day, I guess. |
| 21:55.20 | ds3 | that or I am thinking of that high cap battery but that turns the N900 into a 1" slab |
| 21:56.07 | Proteous | I turn off 3g when I am not webbrowsing and that drasticly increased the battery life |
| 21:56.19 | ds3 | I can probally learn to live with the horrible battery life... it is the apps that is killing me |
| 21:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | ds3: Mugen should be making one. |
| 21:56.39 | ds3 | claws is choking more then it should... GarnetVM is choking |
| 21:56.43 | Proteous | there is a nice 2g/3g toggle app for the pop up control menu |
| 21:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:56.46 | ds3 | GA: that's the one I am looking at |
| 21:57.05 | ds3 | Proteous: I have that installed.... it is on my list of things to try |
| 21:57.08 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: mugen has made one. |
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| 21:57.25 | ds3 | Shapeshifter: has anyone used it? |
| 21:57.45 | Shapeshifter | ds3: the lady in the presentation video xD |
| 21:57.56 | nidO | some people have bought the battery |
| 21:58.03 | nidO | the back case is horribly designed |
| 21:58.15 | ds3 | nid0: in what way? |
| 21:58.56 | nidO | there're no magnets for camera cover or back cover on/off primarily, so various things dont work properly |
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| 21:59.03 | nidO | sd card mounting being a biggie |
| 21:59.21 | Proteous | ouch |
| 22:00.05 | ds3 | ouch indeed |
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| 22:01.55 | ds3 | nid0: is there room to put a piece of magnet tape on it? |
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| 22:02.15 | nidO | probably. I dont have one, just going on reports from earlier |
| 22:02.27 | Shapeshifter | ds3: there's enough wasted space under that cover to fit a small house under it. |
| 22:02.38 | nidO | that back case is so massive you could probably get the earth's entire magnetic core under it. |
| 22:02.48 | ds3 | Shapeshifter: oh... so a even larger battery is possible? |
| 22:03.08 | Shapeshifter | ds3: if you make one? |
| 22:03.26 | nidO | if mugen had utilised all of the space under the cover rather than just a brick the same shape as the original, it'd easily be a 4500mah or so battery |
| 22:03.39 | nidO | and would probably require you drag the device along the floor behind you |
| 22:03.53 | ds3 | Hmmm |
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| 22:04.37 | atiti | anyone knows where to get the mugen stuff in europe? |
| 22:05.05 | nidO | their site probably, I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would buy one though |
| 22:05.10 | cehteh | just a slightly thicker battery with a back cover that has a flat surface instead the produding lens frame would be nice already |
| 22:05.36 | cehteh | with lens slider and magnet for mounting uSD |
| 22:05.41 | ds3 | on a different topic... is there an app that adds basic hand held GPS functionality to the N900? by basic I mean - a button to add a waypoint... a GPS compass, a trail, and direction to a waypoint? |
| 22:05.57 | cehteh | and some people want a better kickstand .. like the n810 |
| 22:06.06 | cehteh | mapper |
| 22:06.10 | RST38h | wants a shocker |
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| 22:06.18 | ds3 | something lighter then mapper |
| 22:06.25 | RST38h | ds3: Maep |
| 22:06.32 | ds3 | something along the lines of an early hand held GPS |
| 22:06.36 | cehteh | maep doesnt let one make waypoints |
| 22:07.01 | ds3 | making waypoints in mapper is painful |
| 22:07.13 | cehteh | well impossible in maep |
| 22:07.24 | cehteh | mapper is slow like molasses too |
| 22:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | shocks RST38h with his patented eletric watergun |
| 22:07.32 | cehteh | eats a lot cpu/battery |
| 22:07.43 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 22:07.44 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:07.48 | ds3 | for road use with a local power source, mapper works...much better then Map |
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| 22:07.58 | ds3 | but I want something that is simple and usable for hiking |
| 22:08.16 | cehteh | yes, nothing but maep or mapper |
| 22:08.18 | ds3 | ideally, it'd also run in portrait mode but that migt just be too much to ask for |
| 22:08.53 | cehteh | hopes mapper improves over time |
| 22:08.57 | cehteh | its on the right way |
| 22:09.20 | cehteh | maybe anyone tries to port viking to maemo5 .. i like it |
| 22:09.29 | ds3 | other then power and lack of a simple way to make waypoints, I love mapper |
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| 22:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: wirelss taser ;-P |
| 22:10.41 | cehteh | my screen protector got a scratch today .. good to have it |
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| 22:12.35 | crashanddie | What is mapper written in? |
| 22:12.40 | crashanddie | C/GTK? |
| 22:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: screen protector is like my oma's sofa blanket. It protects the sofa from getting dirty, so nothing spoils the always hidden splended sight |
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| 22:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | the blanket is ugly like hell, but hey, there's a nice sofa under that |
| 22:13.45 | nidO | I bet she paid extra for the nice upholstry too |
| 22:14.16 | GAN9001 | DocScrutinizer, eh, not with a good quality one. |
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| 22:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | GAN9001: you got the prototype of next N-series? |
| 22:15.43 | cehteh | i have a anti-glare one .. makes it quite useable in the sun |
| 22:16.09 | ds3 | GPSjinni looks close to what I want if it only did some tracking/waypoints |
| 22:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | Now we know it's called N9001 ;-P |
| 22:16.37 | SpeedEvil | osm2go |
| 22:16.44 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, still waiting for my Boxwave protector, though. :( |
| 22:16.47 | SpeedEvil | but probably too heavy |
| 22:16.56 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, lies, all lies! |
| 22:17.01 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: yes, have that installed already |
| 22:17.01 | cehteh | osmtogo is a editor for small areas its not useable for hiking |
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| 22:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, osm.to - need to check that, sounds good |
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| 22:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | tangoGPS? |
| 22:19.09 | cehteh | i miss some functionality from ma old gps .. distance to the next waypoint, estimated arrival time and so on |
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| 22:20.17 | Ken-Young | cehteh, Is anyone working on an N900 Garmin emulator"? |
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| 22:20.41 | Shapeshifter | Ken-Young: navit is supposed to support garmin maps |
| 22:20.46 | cehteh | whats a garmin emulator? |
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| 22:20.55 | pupnik_ | i cant get joystick working in VIcE |
| 22:20.57 | cehteh | ah .. well i dont know |
| 22:21.02 | ptl | it the navit that comes with the N900 compiled with that option? |
| 22:21.05 | cehteh | bbl |
| 22:21.11 | Ken-Young | cehteh, I just meant something that acts like one of the old Garmin GPS units. |
| 22:21.21 | Shapeshifter | ptl: I'm not sure |
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| 22:21.40 | ptl | I'd try if it weren't such a pain in the ass to install maps in navit |
| 22:21.59 | Shapeshifter | ptl: huh. you just wget the map and edit a file |
| 22:22.18 | ptl | garmin maps aren't free, are they? |
| 22:22.20 | ptl | wget? |
| 22:22.43 | Shapeshifter | ptl: oh well, the garmin maps are a different story. but the open streemap ones are excellent for my area |
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| 22:23.17 | ptl | they are bad for my area :( |
| 22:23.19 | Shapeshifter | ptl: so you don't know the pleasures of using the command line :) nevermind. (wget is a tool to download stuff / make http requests) |
| 22:23.26 | ptl | I could try and edit the maps for my neighborhood |
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| 22:23.39 | ptl | but when I needed to go to a new place, I'd be stranded |
| 22:23.48 | ptl | I know wget |
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| 22:24.17 | ptl | I know very well the pleasures of the command line indeed... even taught shell classes |
| 22:24.25 | ptl | I just found it strange to wget garmin maps |
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| 22:28.07 | Shapeshifter | ptl: ohhh xD |
| 22:28.09 | Shapeshifter | sorry then. |
| 22:29.38 | Funnyface | hmm browserd is hogging 100% of my CPU |
| 22:29.47 | Funnyface | or was.. |
| 22:30.03 | Funnyface | I guess that's why my battery died in a few hours today |
| 22:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: now that we have those intl OSS celebrities a ping away, don't you think we could get somewhat better more open docs about the modem? |
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| 22:37.05 | aep | any idea how i can install a different font on the n900? the default one lacks half unicode |
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| 22:40.55 | pupnik | CERN energy to ramp up to record levels march 30. make your peace with God now ;) |
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| 22:42.02 | nidO | "record levels" is a bit defunct though seeing as every time they turn the thing on it's at record levels, theyre just going to exceed their own record level even more :p |
| 22:42.33 | crashanddie | pupnik: God can suck my c... |
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| 22:44.02 | cehteh | .. my favorite theme .. imagine the LHC creates a black hole which sucks the earth into it ... |
| 22:44.13 | cehteh | the poor guys at the ISS :) |
| 22:44.22 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 22:44.25 | jacekowski | they would be sucked in as well |
| 22:44.51 | Shapeshifter | "who turned off the earth"? |
| 22:44.53 | cehteh | nah a physicist explained me they will be grilled in radiation |
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| 22:45.17 | Shapeshifter | good thing that wont happen |
| 22:45.19 | nidO | theyd follow the earth right into the black hole |
| 22:45.27 | cehteh | but still ... funny thing for a novel ... you look out of the iss window and find yourself orbiting a black hole :) |
| 22:45.30 | nidO | radiation would get them if they stayed where they are, but they wouldnt |
| 22:45.42 | jacekowski | cehteh: they woule be sucked in |
| 22:45.57 | jacekowski | cehteh: maybe if they would be couple million kilometers away |
| 22:46.01 | Kegetys | if the earth would turn into a black hole, it would still have the same mass so why would the ISS orbit change in any way? |
| 22:46.18 | cehteh | well a black hole can not have stronger gravity than earth .. and it has a much smaller diameter, i tinhk they will rather be catapulted into space |
| 22:46.47 | jacekowski | well |
| 22:46.51 | dmj726_n9001 | diameter doesn't matter |
| 22:46.53 | jacekowski | you might be right |
| 22:47.00 | cehteh | besides that what the physicist told me that a lot mass is turned into radiation and ejected |
| 22:47.03 | dmj726_n9001 | they would just keeporbiting |
| 22:47.04 | Shapeshifter | afaik, dmj726_n9001 is right. |
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| 22:47.24 | Shapeshifter | in any case, that wont happen. |
| 22:47.27 | Kegetys | and, even if a black hole would be created, why would the earth get sucked into it |
| 22:47.31 | dmj726_n9001 | ...the radiation might be an issue though. |
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| 22:47.36 | cehteh | and if it happens we dont care right? :) |
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| 22:48.01 | Shapeshifter | if it did happen, which it will not, we wouldn't care, that's right. |
| 22:48.03 | Kegetys | the black hole would have the same mass, and therefore the same gravity as the particles that formed it |
| 22:48.14 | dmj726_n9001 | though even without the radiation the people on the iss would starve eventually. |
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| 22:49.30 | Kegetys | the earth's magnetic field provides protection from the interstellar radiation though and I guess that would be gone which would be bad for the ISS people |
| 22:49.38 | cehteh | another theme: seti receives a broadcasts of some foreign civilization 4 lightyears ago which are similar to ours .. turning on a lhc like experiment little earlier ... we do too .. and then discover some day that there is a black hole where their messages came from :) |
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| 22:49.48 | dmj726_n9001 | so it's just a matter of how long it takes to die and how painful it is. |
| 22:50.25 | Shapeshifter | lol 4 lightyears |
| 22:50.49 | cehteh | closest stars are about 4 lightyears away .. but well say 12 |
| 22:50.51 | dmj726_n9001 | they're from alpha centauri |
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| 22:52.16 | cehteh | dmj726_n9001: if the earth collapses into a black hole it would be exponential in speed, when you notice you are already varporized |
| 22:52.53 | javispedro | tries to guess the topic... vi vs emacs? |
| 22:52.59 | cehteh | without hawking radiation the first grow of a black hole might take thousands of years, unnoticed |
| 22:53.44 | cehteh | there are already some theories that the core of the earth may already catched such micro black holes (no i dont believe them) |
| 22:54.51 | Shapeshifter | I believe, micro black holes are the cause of random n900 reboots. |
| 22:55.05 | cehteh | the chances that such a sub-particle sized black hole catches another particle and grow are very very small .. but each time it does it gets a slightly better chance to catch the next one |
| 22:55.10 | Shapeshifter | also, nokia is to blame for that. |
| 22:55.21 | cehteh | possibly :) |
| 22:55.30 | cehteh | well my new device doesnt have the reboot problem |
| 22:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope, actually ISS would simply continue to orbit the singularity |
| 22:56.03 | cehteh | my first one from december had that .. i'D urge anyone who sees even a random reboot once a week to get a exchange |
| 22:56.22 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well .. apart the radiation thing ... |
| 22:57.01 | Shapeshifter | Well I don't know how these super small black holes should work anyway (because they don't, they can't even form, and if they would for some strange reason, they'd disintegrate immediately); like, the smalles known black hole to man is roughly 3.8 times the mass of our sun. |
| 22:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | yup, actually I replied during reading the backscroll - stupid |
| 22:57.21 | Shapeshifter | a black hole with only the mass of earth, or even just the mass of some particles in a collider... |
| 22:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | would desintegrate in nanoseconds |
| 22:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
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| 22:58.32 | cehteh | yeah i saied imagine they wont desintegrate .. |
| 22:58.52 | Shapeshifter | it's just sad that people can be intimidated like this |
| 22:58.54 | cehteh | well nothing to care about .. in either way |
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| 22:59.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, assuming hawking radiation correctly describes black holes. |
| 23:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:00.14 | SpeedEvil | however - natural collisions of similar energy... |
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| 23:00.44 | SpeedEvil | Trivia: A 600 ton black hole evaporates in one second. |
| 23:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | but we have no better explanation for the fact there are actually so *few* of them, despite the fact there's cosmic particles far beyond the energy Cern LHC ever can reach |
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| 23:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | yeah you've been faster on typing "natural collisions" ;-P |
| 23:03.17 | SpeedEvil | I've been using n900 most of today. |
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| 23:03.42 | cehteh | really nothing to worry .. we have the technology to erradiate mankind since 65 years now without much doubt .. the LHC should be our least concern anyways |
| 23:03.44 | SpeedEvil | As I'm backing up my laptop hd prior to RMA. |
| 23:04.05 | SpeedEvil | And mhy typing is getting a bit faster . |
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| 23:04.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I'm going to use it now, in the pub with a nice beer in front of me ;-D |
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| 23:09.38 | Jef91 | is there a way I can have my easy debian use a different window manager other than lxde? |
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| 23:19.38 | noobmonk3y | screams loudly |
| 23:20.46 | javispedro | sshhhtt |
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| 23:22.20 | noobmonk3y | sshhh's |
| 23:24.48 | lcuk | its oh so quiet |
| 23:24.51 | Dyresen | Can I expect to be able to flash my N900 and run meego next week? :) |
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| 23:25.31 | C-S-B-N900 | probably not, but someone will port. |
| 23:25.44 | noobmonk3y | next week, lol |
| 23:25.47 | noobmonk3y | chuckles |
| 23:25.53 | nidO | probably* but dont expect an even remotely working or usable phone |
| 23:26.31 | javispedro | but why not? one of the meego gods told us he used meego daily!!! :'( ;) |
| 23:26.43 | Dyresen | Ok, so no official support of meego for N900? |
| 23:26.53 | C-S-B-N900 | not yet |
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| 23:26.58 | C-S-B-N900 | if ever |
| 23:27.08 | C-S-B-N900 | but community will fill in gap |
| 23:27.09 | nidO | well next week is the very first early development release, so in a word, lolno. |
| 23:27.21 | Dyresen | Ok, gues it's bye bye Nokia for me then. |
| 23:27.25 | noobmonk3y | Dyresen? ... when did they announce meego? |
| 23:27.45 | javispedro | more importantly. |
| 23:27.48 | GAN900 | javispedro, never did get a real answer to what, exactly, that meant. |
| 23:27.49 | javispedro | why do you want MeeGo? |
| 23:28.02 | noobmonk3y | chuckles again |
| 23:28.02 | trip0 | if the n900 won't run meego 5.0, i'm not interested |
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| 23:28.12 | nidO | its "bye nokia" because the very first development meego release that isnt in any way whatsoever intended or ready for production use on anything, wont be on your n900? |
| 23:28.12 | noobmonk3y | chuckles some more |
| 23:28.17 | C-S-B-N900 | because the grass is ALWAYSING greener |
| 23:28.29 | trip0 | i wouldn't want the first meego on my n900 |
| 23:29.01 | nidO | nor would I other than to hack about with when im having a quiet day at work then reflash in the afternoon, im happy with a phone I can use. |
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| 23:29.14 | trip0 | not until it's a stable platform anyway. and my that time, I will have dropped my n900 in the toilet or my kid will have eaten it |
| 23:29.38 | trip0 | s/my/by* |
| 23:29.43 | Dyresen | nidO: No but it will be bye bye if they don't support N900. |
| 23:29.55 | javispedro | GAN900: yeah :( my guess: "only some components of fremantle replace with meego's" |
| 23:30.02 | javispedro | *replaced |
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| 23:30.27 | javispedro | Dyresen: why do you want MeeGo? |
| 23:30.33 | trip0 | i think we know that the n900 will be a dev platform for meego |
| 23:30.42 | noobmonk3y | Dyresen - why do you want meego so much? |
| 23:30.48 | noobmonk3y | doh: ditto to javis |
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| 23:31.27 | C-S-B-N900 | hey doc |
| 23:31.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey |
| 23:31.42 | nidO | more to the point, why do you want meego *right the hell now*? even when it does start hitting the shelves on devices, what makes you think it's going to be any better than maemo 6 months down the line will be, or have a greater app availability? |
| 23:31.43 | pupnik | irssi on n900 has an exploit |
| 23:31.49 | C-S-B-N900 | o rly |
| 23:31.58 | C-S-B-N900 | more info? |
| 23:32.02 | javispedro | quick, dispatch the maemo security team! |
| 23:32.09 | pupnik | just a dos |
| 23:32.10 | javispedro | can hear the black helicopters already |
| 23:32.16 | Dyresen | nidO: I sure hope it will get better app availability |
| 23:32.16 | anotnac | what is this new software coming to n900 what jussi makinen posted on twitter about |
| 23:32.24 | pupnik | 00:25 < Darff> HeLLO ?ADCC SEND |
| 23:32.26 | javispedro | anotnac: PR1.2 |
| 23:32.26 | nidO | from day one? you're whistling in the wind. |
| 23:32.32 | anotnac | no |
| 23:32.39 | anotnac | http://www.pikilipita.com/vj/index.php herrtes link |
| 23:32.41 | Dyresen | nidO: noone said it will have it from day one. |
| 23:32.47 | anotnac | its app or something |
| 23:32.51 | nidO | you seem to be demanding it. |
| 23:33.06 | Dyresen | nidO: no, thats just how you read into it. |
| 23:33.20 | Dyresen | Im just asking of N900 will be suported. |
| 23:33.47 | javispedro | N900 IS supported, there's a Fremantle update coming soon and another in the works. |
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| 23:33.54 | pupnik | hmm i hope that was filtered |
| 23:33.55 | Dyresen | Oki |
| 23:33.57 | anotnac | you read it guys i dont see much details so not sure what it is |
| 23:34.03 | javispedro | But MeeGo--- why |
| 23:34.05 | nidO | well actually your response to whether itll be supported *next week* by the very first alpha development release was "bye nokia" |
| 23:34.31 | javispedro | it won't have MMS, it might not have video calling, etc etc. |
| 23:34.32 | Dyresen | yeah that actually would be the best |
| 23:34.58 | javispedro | while on the other side we know that Fremantle has MMS _now_ and some more video calling in PR1.2. |
| 23:35.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonder if I have to curse 3G in general, r my provider, or N900 or freenode. constant ping timeouts :-( |
| 23:35.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 23:35.26 | infobot | ~pong |
| 23:35.28 | nidO | id go with your provider |
| 23:36.31 | GAN900 | I wish microb could remember http passwords |
| 23:36.41 | javispedro | 401? |
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| 23:36.54 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 23:36.58 | javispedro | heh |
| 23:37.09 | javispedro | remembers that palmos remember ONLY 401 passwords, and ignored html forms |
| 23:37.14 | javispedro | s/palmos/blazer |
| 23:37.14 | trip0 | fremantle has MMS? |
| 23:37.20 | trip0 | i didn't think it was ever going to get it? |
| 23:37.28 | GAN900 | fMMS |
| 23:37.28 | javispedro | in the form of fMMS :) |
| 23:37.36 | GAN900 | It works great |
| 23:37.39 | trip0 | oh |
| 23:37.52 | GAN900 | really wants an Indigo applications. |
| 23:37.58 | trip0 | MMS was one of my buddy's "killer feature" for a phone |
| 23:38.05 | trip0 | i personally think it's a dated tech |
| 23:38.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 23:38.08 | infobot | ~pong |
| 23:38.26 | javispedro | decides to give fmms a try |
| 23:39.10 | javispedro | uh, not in -stable? |
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| 23:40.32 | GAN900 | Not so far as I know |
| 23:40.37 | GAN900 | Some bugs |
| 23:40.45 | GAN900 | Mostly cosmetic |
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| 23:42.01 | openstandards | hi all :) |
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| 23:43.57 | anotnac | hi |
| 23:44.04 | trip0 | what's going on with fennec these days? |
| 23:44.11 | trip0 | is it usable yet? |
| 23:45.13 | dmj726_n9001 | seems usable, though I'm not sure I'd prefer it yet. |
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| 23:46.04 | dmj726_n9001 | I would pick it over an iphone or android browser. |
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| 23:46.48 | dmj726_n9001 | As an aside, they stopped work on the winmo version of fennec. |
| 23:46.49 | openstandards | does anyone do any system administration from their n900 if so do you use any other apps other than ssh? |
| 23:47.32 | SpeedEvil | openstandards, rsync |
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| 23:47.55 | nidO | I have it as a backup option, all I really need for it's ssh and a browser though |
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| 23:49.26 | C-S-B-N900 | whats that nidO i seemed to have just been power magemented out... |
| 23:49.31 | C-S-B-N900 | im intrigued. |
| 23:49.39 | SpeedEvil | someone did an ISO fake cd thing, which would be handy |
| 23:49.40 | nidO | [23:46] <openstandards> does anyone do any system administration from their n900 if so do you use any other apps other than ssh? |
| 23:50.00 | javispedro | fAPN should be a control panel applet, really. |
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| 23:50.30 | openstandards | its lovely being able to ssh in and issue proper commands i love it |
| 23:50.38 | SpeedEvil | someone did an ISO fake cd thing, which would be handy |
| 23:50.42 | C-S-B-N900 | nid0 ssh and rdesktop |
| 23:50.45 | pupnik | anyone here got VIcE working? |
| 23:50.51 | nidO | my e90 was better for system administration though |
| 23:50.59 | nidO | by a long way |
| 23:51.07 | openstandards | nidO, how so |
| 23:51.23 | ds3 | hehe - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33953 |
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| 23:51.33 | nidO | infinitely better keyboard. not just a little bit less akward to use, its not even in the same class. |
| 23:52.23 | nidO | full size proper massive keyboard with character keys, no assing around with fn buttons just to get a forwardslash. |
| 23:52.27 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 23:53.27 | nidO | that, and putty has a version for symbian, so easy to just port all my stored hosts across from my workstation and connect to em directly |
| 23:54.23 | nidO | and its prettier :) |
| 23:54.25 | openstandards | yeah i never got putty working for my e65 |
| 23:54.32 | C-S-B-N900 | .ssh/.config might helpful for storing hosts. |
| 23:54.51 | nidO | sure, its useful to add them, but I have like 90. |
| 23:55.00 | C-S-B-N900 | ignore the swcond . |
| 23:55.20 | nidO | with putty on symbian it's just a copypasta from my desktop rather than having to re-add 90-odd hosts by hand |
| 23:55.23 | C-S-B-N900 | oh christ, your point about the keyboard is being probed |
| 23:55.29 | C-S-B-N900 | *proved |
| 23:55.38 | pupnik | lol |
| 23:55.42 | nidO | heh |
| 23:55.44 | openstandards | is it possible to copy and paste from the browser? |
| 23:55.48 | nidO | e90's keyboard is an absolute dream |
| 23:55.49 | C-S-B-N900 | yes. |
| 23:55.55 | C-S-B-N900 | ctrl+c |
| 23:56.16 | C-S-B-N900 | move your cursor bottom left to get a cursor. |
| 23:56.17 | openstandards | how do you select the yext thou |
| 23:56.31 | C-S-B-N900 | finger even. |
| 23:56.52 | C-S-B-N900 | lol at all the typos! |
| 23:57.08 | openstandards | lol |
| 23:57.41 | C-S-B-N900 | i can see people training there muscles to use the n900 kb. |
| 23:57.51 | C-S-B-N900 | and having fails. |
| 23:58.33 | C-S-B-N900 | openstandards: how you getting on with the cp and paste? |
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| 23:58.53 | nidO | my dream's still that nokia release an e-series meego device with the same form factor as an e90 |
| 23:59.01 | nidO | buy that baby the day it's available |
| 23:59.22 | openstandards | failing :) |
| 23:59.30 | C-S-B-N900 | bit big though? |
| 23:59.45 | ShadowJK | it's supposed to be big to show off |
| 23:59.54 | nidO | its tall yeah, useful for posing though |
