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| 00:04.34 | C-S-B | looking at the service manual, it's just the sprung connection thats not tense enough in my unit, |
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| 00:04.48 | C-S-B | it will hold but moving it in the opposite direction will break that |
| 00:05.54 | C-S-B | my headphone jack for those not in the know. |
| 00:06.29 | C-S-B | Has the worst luck with N900 and will be talking to Nokia QA |
| 00:08.01 | MrGoose | anyone here who'd be able to answer some gsoc questions? |
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| 00:12.31 | dmj726_n900 | MrGoose: that would be vdvsx |
| 00:13.00 | dmj726_n900 | are you a student? |
| 00:13.11 | MrGoose | dmj726_n900: yes |
| 00:13.26 | dmj726_n900 | me too |
| 00:13.41 | MrGoose | dmj726_n900: well part time anyway. |
| 00:13.43 | dmj726_n900 | what are you looking to do? |
| 00:14.11 | MrGoose | not sure yet but I'd want to know what the proposal should contain |
| 00:14.20 | MrGoose | what about you? |
| 00:14.50 | dmj726_n900 | I have a plan to make the n900 accessible. |
| 00:15.06 | MrGoose | accessible? |
| 00:15.17 | dmj726_n900 | for blind users |
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| 00:15.27 | MrGoose | right! |
| 00:16.05 | MrGoose | sounds like a pretty good idea. |
| 00:16.23 | C-S-B | espeak could be used with a script. sdout all the prompts to it. |
| 00:16.52 | dmj726_n900 | already made a python gui app that uses espeak |
| 00:17.28 | C-S-B | Stephen Hawkins is in my phone |
| 00:17.40 | dmj726_n900 | people find espeak has an annoying voice |
| 00:18.05 | hd1 | dmj726: as opposed to what? |
| 00:18.36 | dmj726_n900 | festival has some more natural sounding ones |
| 00:19.07 | unique_mehdi | what |
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| 00:20.36 | dmj726_n900 | more natural voices |
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| 00:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: still both issues might have a common cause. SpeedEvil mentioned the fm-tx antenna also is pring-contact (though I'm not sure about that). Anyway a spring contact obviously has to be clean to work properly. If they ghad some incident in fab causing poor cleaning of PCB after SMT reflow soldering, or whatever, or if PCB manufacturer was trying savings on the gold plating of the contact pads, you easily might see all sorts of random |
| 00:27.40 | DocScrutinizer | contact issues on a whole batch |
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| 00:29.15 | timeless_mbp | dmj726_n900: hrm |
| 00:29.27 | SpeedEvil | also speaker |
| 00:29.28 | timeless_mbp | how precisely do you expect a blind user to interact with a touchscreen? |
| 00:29.32 | SpeedEvil | which again some people... |
| 00:29.37 | timeless_mbp | a touchscreen w/o haptic feedback |
| 00:29.39 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: braille! |
| 00:29.39 | C-S-B | i dont like it. Im a solder man |
| 00:29.51 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: where? see above :) |
| 00:29.51 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: it has feedback |
| 00:30.03 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: no useful haptic feedback |
| 00:30.10 | SpeedEvil | perhaps. |
| 00:30.14 | hd1 | timeless_mbp: you could do a viavoice type voice interface, depending on how powerful the CPU is |
| 00:30.24 | timeless_mbp | hd1: i'm not doing anything |
| 00:30.25 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: sound feedback and long click might work, somehow, as well |
| 00:30.35 | timeless_mbp | well, perhaps i'm being a devil's advocate |
| 00:30.38 | SpeedEvil | The CPU is certainly fast enough to run voice decoder. |
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| 00:30.47 | C-S-B | Im so tempted to dismantle the unit myself but its not worth my time. |
| 00:30.59 | SpeedEvil | It's lots faster (especially counting the DSP) than 1995 or so PCs with voice recognition were. |
| 00:31.02 | timeless_mbp | Lynoure: again, how do you give useful feedback so that the user can interact with the touch display? |
| 00:31.07 | C-S-B | This issue isnt a game over. I'll swap it over when I get the time. |
| 00:31.12 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:31.28 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: Some people use screen readers insanely fast - ~600wpm |
| 00:31.29 | timeless_mbp | C-S-B: voice recognition doesn't solve much |
| 00:31.34 | C-S-B | its all nice getting a new unit, 3rd one now- but moving the data over and blanking the device is a killer |
| 00:31.40 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: nah, that's fairly standard |
| 00:31.44 | timeless_mbp | but again, fairly useless |
| 00:31.50 | timeless_mbp | i'll give you a screen reader for free |
| 00:31.56 | timeless_mbp | that doesn't solve user interaction w/ a touchscreen |
| 00:32.03 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: Screen reader is - slightly - trivial |
| 00:32.05 | timeless_mbp | _blind_ user |
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| 00:32.33 | SpeedEvil | 9 buttons on screen - quite possible - more would be challenging |
| 00:32.34 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: what about the sound feedback on touch and long click to click? |
| 00:32.48 | timeless_mbp | Lynoure: how is that remotely helpfu? |
| 00:32.55 | timeless_mbp | Lynoure: turn off your n900 |
| 00:32.58 | timeless_mbp | now close your eyes |
| 00:33.00 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: imagine a number pad |
| 00:33.02 | timeless_mbp | try to turn it on |
| 00:33.07 | timeless_mbp | what happens? |
| 00:33.26 | timeless_mbp | how many screens do you have to go through (and when) before you get to the desktop? |
| 00:33.40 | timeless_mbp | once you're at the desktop, how in the world do you interact with it? |
| 00:33.49 | timeless_mbp | how many hot areas are on your desktop? |
| 00:33.52 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: if you have your stylys touching a number, it says the number (e.g. "9"). Keep the stylus there to click. |
| 00:33.56 | timeless_mbp | mine has at least 6 |
| 00:34.29 | SpeedEvil | Lynoure: also - xstroke |
| 00:34.30 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: I'm talking about just how to get touchscreen to work with a blind person, not how to get maemo5 to work with a blind person |
| 00:34.47 | Lynoure | The latter I don't even want to think about |
| 00:34.55 | timeless_mbp | Lynoure: well, that's the subject here |
| 00:35.06 | timeless_mbp | dmj726_n900 specifically indicate gsoc for n900 |
| 00:35.17 | timeless_mbp | i'm suggesting he's biting off more than he should try to chew |
| 00:35.30 | Lumpio_ | Why would you even try to make touch screens usable for a blind person |
| 00:35.33 | timeless_mbp | s/indicate/indicated/ |
| 00:35.35 | Lumpio_ | I mean, they can't even use the "screen" part |
| 00:36.11 | timeless_mbp | Lumpio_: i can actually argue taking the n900 hardware and making it valuable to a blind person |
| 00:36.15 | w00t | heh |
| 00:36.17 | Lynoure | Lumpio_: because there are not many phones with braille screens, maybe |
| 00:36.21 | timeless_mbp | but that's distinct from making the touchscreen usable w/ maemo5 |
| 00:36.28 | Lynoure | I hope there are some. |
| 00:36.40 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it. |
| 00:36.54 | timeless_mbp | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127015.700-vibrating-touch-screen-puts-braille-at-the-fingertips.html |
| 00:36.58 | SpeedEvil | For a phone, you don't need a display |
| 00:37.11 | Lynoure | ooh, Squibble |
| 00:37.12 | timeless_mbp | http://dvice.com/archives/2009/06/b-touch-cell-ph.php |
| 00:37.17 | SpeedEvil | For a smartphone, of course you do |
| 00:37.30 | timeless_mbp | anyway, there seem to be a couple |
| 00:37.32 | SpeedEvil | (where display = means of outputting information to the user) |
| 00:37.38 | Lynoure | http://www.tuvie.com/search/braille+phone |
| 00:38.02 | Lynoure | pity it's just a concept |
| 00:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | for visualy impaired persons a touchscreen is about as useless as a telescope |
| 00:38.38 | SpeedEvil | visually impaired != blind |
| 00:38.47 | Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: the touch part is not necessarily useless |
| 00:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | they'll like a decent keyboard / keypad. preferrably a candybar formfactor |
| 00:39.20 | SpeedEvil | But for blind people, it's a touchpad only. |
| 00:39.45 | SpeedEvil | The n900 could be a good blind persons phone. |
| 00:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | touchpad all the same |
| 00:39.55 | SpeedEvil | But not running stock maemo 5 |
| 00:40.26 | SpeedEvil | Actually - it would be a sucky phone. |
| 00:40.43 | SpeedEvil | It would be good as a smartphone. |
| 00:40.45 | timeless_mbp | again, dmj726_n900 specifically said blind, not impaired |
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| 00:42.15 | citylights2 | need help ith start-stop-deamon |
| 00:42.17 | timeless_mbp | gsoc projects should be _reasonable_ and _achievable_ in the available time |
| 00:42.27 | Lynoure | one problem with the device is that the screen edges cannot be felt |
| 00:42.39 | SpeedEvil | Lynoure: they could if you stuck some on. |
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| 00:42.46 | timeless_mbp | Lynoure: among many |
| 00:42.47 | citylights2 | I am tring to issue a second udhcpc session and use the --pidfile option , yet |
| 00:42.50 | Lynoure | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 00:42.58 | SpeedEvil | oh - not that sort of felt |
| 00:43.00 | citylights2 | I get the error already running. |
| 00:43.24 | SpeedEvil | Doing a blind phone UI is basically a completely new software stack |
| 00:44.08 | Lynoure | With sound feedback I think it would work. Not ideally, but I don't think there are many mobiles that work even that well. Whether that can be done within SOC, dunno. |
| 00:44.17 | GeneralAntilles | It can't. |
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| 00:45.06 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, nokia's windows desktop apps manage to screw up accessibility |
| 00:45.19 | timeless_mbp | they're pretty impressive in that respect, actually |
| 00:45.27 | timeless_mbp | (e.g. pc suite) |
| 00:45.43 | timeless_mbp | yes, i've used NVDA w/ pc suite |
| 00:45.50 | timeless_mbp | and yes i want to strangle someone @nokia |
| 00:46.13 | w00t | you're in a better position to do it than most of us! :p |
| 00:46.18 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 00:46.22 | timeless_mbp | not really |
| 00:46.28 | timeless_mbp | i can't find the right people |
| 00:46.37 | timeless_mbp | i actually encountered people who were probably Board level |
| 00:46.53 | timeless_mbp | and they proceeded to ignore my explanation about how they were hurting our company |
| 00:47.01 | w00t | just pick random people until you find the right ones, they might be a bit more helpful to point you in the right direction once killing starts too |
| 00:47.05 | timeless_mbp | i think one even claimed he'd have someone look into it |
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| 00:48.04 | citylights2 | can anyonr spare a min and tell me if this init script is wrong |
| 00:48.05 | citylights2 | #! /bin/sh |
| 00:48.15 | citylights2 | http://dpaste.com/174154/ |
| 00:49.03 | SpeedEvil | There shouldn't be a space aftwer the bang |
| 00:49.59 | citylights2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.26 | spliffy | in the first line |
| 00:50.32 | SpeedEvil | #!/bin/sh - not #! /bin/sh |
| 00:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | heh, yesterday a sysadmin(!) told me I *missed* this space on my script ;-P |
| 00:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | I think it doesn't matter |
| 00:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | but anyway this script is truncated |
| 00:51.49 | spliffy | i tried it, it seems to matter |
| 00:51.50 | citylights2 | SpeedEvil: wrong paste - is the rest in order? |
| 00:52.36 | SpeedEvil | CutMeOwnThroat: can't see hte paste |
| 00:52.53 | SpeedEvil | citylights2: |
| 00:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | the case isn't closed |
| 00:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | there are obviously missing a couple of lines |
| 00:54.56 | citylights2 | SpeedEv /etc/init.d/udhcpc start |
| 00:55.04 | citylights2 | Starting Openvpn dhcp client for tap0: params: -n -i tap0 -s /etc/openvpn/udhcp.script /sbin/udhcpc already running. |
| 00:55.55 | citylights2 | SpeedEvil: I fixed the first line, when I run /etc/init.d/udhcpc start |
| 00:56.02 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: some ancinent unixes refuse it without the space, linux once (or still?) had problems when the lineending used dos linebreakes \r\n .. |
| 00:56.05 | citylights2 | I get /sbin/udhcpc already running. |
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| 00:56.27 | cehteh | or maybe the other way around .. refuse with space |
| 00:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | citylights2: so what? maybe it's actually already started? |
| 00:58.58 | citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: ps aux |grep udhcp shows only the wlan0 session |
| 00:59.21 | citylights2 | btw how started the wlan0 session icd2 ? how? |
| 00:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | citylights2: as I mentioned 2 times now, the case struct is missing the stop; and restart; entries |
| 00:59.34 | citylights2 | can I also use this mechanizem? |
| 00:59.52 | citylights2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.01 | citylights2 | let me paste all the file |
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| 01:02.27 | citylights2 | http://dpaste.com/174162/ |
| 01:02.40 | citylights2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.11 | citylights2 | thanks |
| 01:07.53 | citylights2 | any idea what I did wrong? |
| 01:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | line 29 the " -- " looks fishy. Just a feeling |
| 01:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | also I'd use ${varA}foo${varB} style, rather than $varAfoo$varB |
| 01:12.11 | citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: to tell openvpn to run a script after connection I need to add --up script |
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| 01:12.49 | citylights2 | how can I use the scriot = /etc/init.d/udhcpc start ? |
| 01:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | I gather "--pidfile=/var/run/$NAME.$DEVICE.pid"" (line 20) is a parameter to start-stop-daemon |
| 01:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | also "-n -i" |
| 01:14.36 | citylights2 | no, it is for udhcc to create a pid file. I also add it to the start-stop-deamon --pidfile pidfile and it seems ok now |
| 01:14.55 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 01:15.03 | SpeedEvil | Take heart! |
| 01:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | usually a syntax like "cmd -a -b -- -c" means -c is NOT a option to cmd |
| 01:15.15 | SpeedEvil | Over in ##electronics, we have an iphone user. |
| 01:15.19 | citylights2 | what? |
| 01:15.30 | SpeedEvil | Who is wondering what parts of his phone he damaged by microwaving it. |
| 01:15.37 | SpeedEvil | (but only for 3 seconds) |
| 01:15.51 | Arif_ | uhm |
| 01:15.55 | Arif_ | the whole phone maybe? |
| 01:15.56 | Arif_ | :D |
| 01:15.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:16.00 | citylights2 | capacitors |
| 01:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | actually the capacitors are the only components to survive |
| 01:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | *maybe* |
| 01:17.03 | citylights2 | they contain oil |
| 01:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | err WHAT? |
| 01:17.21 | Arif_ | I'm sure it won't work |
| 01:17.23 | Arif_ | =D |
| 01:17.31 | GeneralAntilles | bets on the N900 over the microwave. |
| 01:17.40 | timeless_mbp | lol |
| 01:17.56 | Arif_ | I'm not trying it out ;P |
| 01:18.22 | zash | GeneralAntilles: I'll bet on my trusty ol' 3310! |
| 01:18.42 | njsf_ | or on my trusty 6110 |
| 01:19.12 | njsf_ | or was it 6100 ? hmmmm |
| 01:19.18 | njsf_ | I get confused |
| 01:19.36 | njsf_ | it was over 13 years ago |
| 01:19.57 | Arif_ | 6110 is 2 years old |
| 01:19.58 | Arif_ | or 3 |
| 01:20.17 | Arif_ | :D |
| 01:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | or 14 |
| 01:20.55 | citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: assuming the iinit scripot works now, can you tell me how does wlan0 udhcpc is invoked? |
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| 01:21.15 | citylights2 | is this init script alld\ready in my N900? |
| 01:22.12 | njsf_ | yeah I was wrong on both counts,... it was the 6150 |
| 01:22.13 | njsf_ | :) |
| 01:22.20 | njsf_ | the first of the 6000 series |
| 01:22.27 | njsf_ | bought it in 96 :D |
| 01:22.53 | njsf_ | Will still work in Europe and Brazil :D |
| 01:23.56 | njsf_ | That thing was built to last. Can't count the times it hit violently the floor and the battery cover would snap |
| 01:24.07 | njsf_ | yet, no damage to lcd or anything else |
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| 01:24.27 | njsf_ | much like my treo 650... all scratched but still working after 5 years of abuse |
| 01:24.41 | citylights2 | ok, assuming no one knoes the first question |
| 01:24.49 | citylights2 | can anyone help me with the second? |
| 01:25.37 | Arif_ | njsf_, playing 2 player snake over IR \o/ |
| 01:25.42 | citylights2 | ok ok - I promiss I will go away after tis |
| 01:25.50 | citylights2 | this |
| 01:26.39 | njsf_ | Arif_: exchanging vcards with palms over IR too :) |
| 01:26.49 | Arif_ | nobody had a palm here |
| 01:26.49 | Arif_ | ;D |
| 01:27.08 | njsf_ | citylights2: what init are you speaking? the init for boot of N900 ? |
| 01:28.22 | citylights2 | njsf_ : my first question was about what program causes udhcpc to start for wlan0 connection, is it icd2 ? |
| 01:30.16 | citylights2 | second scripting question: I can tell openvpn to run a script by --up script |
| 01:30.51 | citylights2 | but i want the script to have one space so it will run /etc/init.d/udhcpc start = ow? |
| 01:30.55 | citylights2 | how? |
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| 01:37.25 | njsf_ | citylights2: I suspect wlancond |
| 01:37.42 | njsf_ | but you can start manually by /etc/init.d/udhcpd start |
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| 01:40.38 | citylights2 | ls: /etc/init.d/udhcpd: No such file or directory |
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| 01:43.21 | njsf_ | weird, I have it there |
| 01:43.41 | citylights2 | please post it |
| 01:45.47 | citylights2 | FINNALY it works |
| 01:46.06 | citylights2 | well still not totally automatic |
| 01:47.11 | njsf_ | still want it? |
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| 01:47.30 | citylights2 | njsf_: yes please |
| 01:48.55 | njsf_ | http://pastebin.org/119071 |
| 01:51.01 | citylights2 | njsf_:thnaks mate |
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| 01:52.36 | njsf_ | np |
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| 01:56.12 | citylights2 | njsf_: how to fix the space issue? |
| 01:56.33 | citylights2 | I mean --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" works |
| 01:58.07 | njsf_ | not sure I understand your issue |
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| 01:59.14 | citylights2 | in /etc/default/openvpn I need to pass all arguments to openvpn |
| 01:59.50 | citylights2 | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up /etc/init.d/udhcpc start" |
| 02:00.24 | citylights2 | but openvpn complains that I need to put the /etc/init.d/udhcpc start in "" |
| 02:00.29 | citylights2 | how? |
| 02:01.05 | njsf_ | OPTARGS='--script-security 2 --up /etc/init.d/udhcpc start"' |
| 02:01.17 | njsf_ | notice the single quote at start and end |
| 02:01.29 | njsf_ | since you are not doing var expansion in there it will be ok |
| 02:01.48 | citylights2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:02.58 | njsf_ | also note |
| 02:03.06 | njsf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS='--script-security 2 --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start"' |
| 02:03.40 | njsf_ | yep |
| 02:03.44 | citylights2 | I mean I read about the diffrence with " and ' |
| 02:03.53 | citylights2 | ok thanks mate |
| 02:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | or |
| 02:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up '/etc/init.d/udhcpc start'" |
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| 02:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start\"" |
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| 02:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | should also work |
| 02:05.43 | citylights2 | last option looks cool |
| 02:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | it's the orthodox one |
| 02:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | but depending how often you pass it thru the shell parser, you might need multiple \ |
| 02:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | like |
| 02:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \\\"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start\\\"" |
| 02:11.26 | citylights2 | working on it |
| 02:14.28 | njsf_ | ence why I recommended the single quote approach :D |
| 02:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | yep, but it terribly fails with expansion |
| 02:15.44 | citylights2 | but I need OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up \\"/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" --down "/etc/init.d/udhcpc stop\\"" |
| 02:15.47 | citylights2 | damn |
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| 02:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | wn't work |
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| 02:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | OPTARGS="--script-security 2 --up '/etc/init.d/udhcpc start' --down '/etc/init.d/udhcpc stop'" |
| 02:19.52 | citylights2 | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 02:23.30 | citylights2 | /etc/default/openvpn: line 19: syntax error: Unterminated quoted string |
| 02:24.09 | citylights2 | sorry |
| 02:25.04 | citylights2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.12 | citylights2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:34.21 | citylights2 | well good night |
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| 03:04.48 | simula | does anyone know where LSB wants me to install the libs that my app depends on? |
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| 03:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | usr/lib/ ? |
| 03:33.56 | simula | thanks DocScrutinizer. it looks like the recommendations aren't finalized yet... http://proton.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
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| 03:37.01 | njsf_ | simula, AFAIK for maemo they are recommending optification in order to avoid filling up / |
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| 03:37.48 | simula | njsf_, that is the lsb folks recommendations too... to have a shell script call your actual app and move the libs to /opt/foo/lib |
| 03:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | njsf_: that doesn't mean the app could reference the libs via /home/opt |
| 03:38.21 | njsf_ | are the libs specific to your app ? |
| 03:38.39 | njsf_ | if not maybe it is better to have another package for the libs and put that package as dependency |
| 03:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | you still need a symlink from correct location to actual location |
| 03:39.43 | simula | njsf_, my app depends on Qt 4.6 and i'm trying to figure how to get those libs into most debian distros a couple years early :) i shouldn't have to worry about that with maemo though |
| 03:40.39 | njsf_ | My vote would go to package the libs separately and make it a dependency |
| 03:41.20 | simula | sounds about right njsf_, i'll do it that way |
| 03:42.22 | njsf_ | that way you can always depend on ld.so.conf to make the right thing on the distro |
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| 03:49.40 | njsf_ | Andrewfblack: icmp timeout :) |
| 03:50.33 | Andrewfblack | everyone I was wanting to talk to is asleep :) |
| 03:52.08 | njsf_ | hehe |
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| 03:55.32 | Andrewfblack | just added click to unlock to one of my theme no more swiping : ) |
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| 04:04.04 | TheMidnightCoder | hello everyone |
| 04:04.28 | TheMidnightCoder | Does anyone out there use/have a Motorola DROID? |
| 04:04.49 | TheMidnightCoder | If so, what are some apps that you consider to be "must haves"? |
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| 04:28.09 | ptl | 01:04 <TheMidnightCoder> Does anyone out there use/have a Motorola DROID? | If so, what are some apps that you consider to be "must haves"? |
| 04:28.13 | ptl | oh boy. |
| 04:28.21 | ptl | what a notion. |
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| 08:03.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:04.51 | RST38h | mourning Jaffa |
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| 08:22.27 | PARAG | Hi, do you know anybody in the room who can help me signing one symbian application .....ready to donate some money.........urgent :) ...thanks |
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| 08:25.02 | RST38h | No, we do not know anybody in this "room" who can help you signing a symbian application |
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| 08:28.50 | MiXu-_ | Any news on turn-by-turn navigation for N900 Ovi Maps? I see Sygic has released it's software. |
| 08:29.10 | MiXu-_ | And I'm wondering if I should buy, or just wait for Ovi Maps to get better. |
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| 08:32.11 | RST38h | Don't hold your breath |
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| 09:35.31 | RST38h | fixed the power drain in FBReader |
| 09:36.49 | ShadowJK | What was it doing wrong? |
| 09:37.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:37.49 | Corsac | does anyone has an idea how the thumbnailers work? (like, how to make them download stuff eventually)? |
| 09:37.50 | SpeedEvil | 1s update loop IIRC |
| 09:38.51 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Updating clock display once a second |
| 09:39.01 | Corsac | like the google-album-art-downloader |
| 09:39.04 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 09:39.28 | Corsac | there's a dbus service but I'm not sure who's supposed to run it |
| 09:39.30 | RST38h | ShadowJK: changed to 60secs, the side effect of this will be the clock being off by 30sec on the average |
| 09:39.49 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I hope this will not be such a big deal though :) |
| 09:40.15 | Corsac | RST38h: what you can do is to go by the second until the first minute change and then switch to 60s interval |
| 09:40.23 | ShadowJK | Well you could set a wakeup for next time()%60 or something :) |
| 09:40.39 | Corsac | (though it might not be that useful in the end) |
| 09:40.56 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I'd find it slightly handy |
| 09:41.36 | Stskeeps | switching between rpm and deb screws with my head - what was the command in debian for adding something to changelog? |
| 09:41.46 | Corsac | vi debian/changelog ? |
| 09:41.49 | Corsac | dch ? |
| 09:42.03 | Stskeeps | ah, yes |
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| 09:42.39 | RST38h | Stskeeps: pico? |
| 09:42.39 | TomaszD | good day |
| 09:43.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i hate making dates myself |
| 09:43.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:43.39 | RST38h | ShadowJK: well, it is not designed for that, the period is setup when the time updater is created |
| 09:43.48 | RST38h | Stskeeps: copy&paste from the previous record in changes :) |
| 09:44.26 | RST38h | wonders if pupnik or someone else who delat with pcsx is around |
| 09:44.35 | RST38h | Need to figure out where I get "plugins" |
| 09:50.56 | RST38h | s/delat/dealt/ |
| 09:55.29 | RST38h | Any other complaints about FBReader that I can easily fix before pushing this update? |
| 09:55.44 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: the default page pressure? |
| 09:55.47 | SpeedEvil | click pressure |
| 09:56.10 | SpeedEvil | for at least me - it diddn't used to page reliably when you touch the screen |
| 09:56.20 | SpeedEvil | (till I reset the pressures) |
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| 09:59.58 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: what was the url of that article you showed me the other day? |
| 10:00.13 | RST38h | Ah the pressure... |
| 10:00.27 | RST38h | It is much, MUCH more complicated than just the pressure... |
| 10:00.46 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, no idea, wait |
| 10:00.46 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes. I don't care. I reset the thresholds, and it 'just works'. |
| 10:00.49 | RST38h | But yes, I should at least disable "giner touch only" paging |
| 10:00.56 | RST38h | finger |
| 10:01.05 | RST38h | Because there is no finger touch on N900 |
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| 10:01.24 | SpeedEvil | personally, I would also disable the scrollbar from moving the position in the doc |
| 10:01.30 | SpeedEvil | but that's a preference |
| 10:02.02 | SpeedEvil | I have 0 and 6 set - and it works |
| 10:02.11 | SpeedEvil | (fm) |
| 10:02.16 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, can't find it, maybe there's a log? |
| 10:02.52 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:03.24 | SpeedEvil | Scroll indicators on the preference list could be larger - but that's minor |
| 10:03.42 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: ah, found it |
| 10:03.50 | TomaszD | k |
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| 10:06.18 | SpeedEvil | Only other substantive issue is the button to exit fullscreen mode makes it impossible to read in some orientations |
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| 10:08.38 | cityOfLights | hi all |
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| 10:10.07 | cityOfLights | I need help with issuing udhcpu after openvpn |
| 10:10.56 | cityOfLights | I added sleep before issuing the udhcp command - yet the sleep is not obaied |
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| 10:31.39 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: did you notice anything else? if not, I'll release what is done. |
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| 10:38.09 | cityOfLights | hi all |
| 10:38.47 | cityOfLights | why doent my N900 obay sleep 15 in a script? |
| 10:39.08 | cityOfLights | http://pastebin.com/9xrkk68b |
| 10:39.08 | Stskeeps | as in it might sleep longer? |
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| 10:39.56 | cityOfLights | I mean it just issues the next line :start-stop-deamon |
| 10:41.07 | cityOfLights | in my pastebin you see that it issues udhcpc imidiatly |
| 10:41.28 | cityOfLights | but I put a sleep 15 line before it |
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| 10:42.39 | Lumpio_ | I don't see a sleep in your paste |
| 10:42.43 | Lumpio_ | Where's the code |
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| 10:43.42 | cityOfLights | http://pastebin.com/d2CiemGK |
| 10:43.51 | cityOfLights | that is my script |
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| 10:47.46 | cityOfLights | Lumpio_: am I right? |
| 10:48.10 | Lumpio_ | I guess it should sleep |
| 10:52.30 | cityOfLights | haha |
| 10:52.33 | Terje1 | cityOfLights, what makes you think it doesn't sleep? |
| 10:53.27 | cityOfLights | so when I issue openvpn start , then issue udhcpc start it works fine |
| 10:53.44 | cityOfLights | but I want to automate it |
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| 10:55.00 | cityOfLights | Terje1: I am looking at tail -f /var/log/openvpn.log and it doensnt sleep 15 as I see |
| 10:56.14 | Terje1 | cityOfLights, well, according to the log you posted it's impossible to say. It doesn't log a time stamp for line before and after sleep. |
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| 11:05.25 | cityOfLights | Terje1: ok I will add that to th script |
| 11:05.32 | cityOfLights | at nokia |
| 11:05.41 | cityOfLights | taking battary out |
| 11:05.44 | cityOfLights | brb |
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| 11:11.07 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. media player says it has 0 songs; it used tp have 1k. when i load a playlist of songs that used to be there, the songs play just fine... |
| 11:11.38 | jonaskoelker | how do i make the media player rescan the .sounds folder? |
| 11:12.23 | Corsac | hmhm, is there no syslog running? |
| 11:12.41 | Corsac | jonaskoelker: istr something with tracker -r but I'm not sure |
| 11:12.46 | Corsac | that may give you a pointer though |
| 11:12.47 | jonaskoelker | also, when playing the playlist, all songs are named "Information not available" |
| 11:13.07 | lcuk | jonaskoelker, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36145 |
| 11:13.13 | lcuk | sounds about right |
| 11:14.43 | Corsac | (in fact i'd like more something like auth.log, so I can know why is ssh refusing my key when logging in as user |
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| 11:16.53 | jonaskoelker | Thanks, I'm looking into that thread |
| 11:18.26 | jonaskoelker | GNOME software: now with extra smart, and 100% free of technical details (some documentation required) |
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| 11:20.08 | jonaskoelker | lcuk: you a tracker expert? |
| 11:20.27 | jonaskoelker | how might I have hosed the db? |
| 11:21.07 | lcuk | jonaskoelker, no, i just know how to google :) |
| 11:21.22 | jonaskoelker | ah :) |
| 11:21.44 | arachnist | GNOME software: now treating you like a moron, that doesn't know what he wants |
| 11:21.50 | jonaskoelker | I ought to take a class in that some day :D |
| 11:22.18 | jonaskoelker | arachnist: so true... |
| 11:23.15 | jonaskoelker | btw, is there a pod catcher that'll tun in cron and just pop up "got a new thing for you" once in a while? |
| 11:23.56 | Wolfie | my phone is stuck in portrait mode... how can i reset that, since the ui doesn't work all that well that way |
| 11:24.21 | Wolfie | ...although surprisingly well |
| 11:24.35 | technomike | n900 is simply amazing |
| 11:25.11 | haltdef | should be able to order mine on friday :> |
| 11:25.28 | jonaskoelker | N900 ftw :) |
| 11:25.47 | ptl | n900 is meant to be a revolution. Hope the market's 'invisible hand' does not make the revolution fail. |
| 11:25.50 | ptl | market forces are disgusting. |
| 11:26.07 | haltdef | sighs at keyboardless devices |
| 11:26.20 | haltdef | thought it was a stupid fad that'd go away quickly |
| 11:26.22 | haltdef | it hasn't :( |
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| 11:27.06 | jonaskoelker | ptl: I think market forces are awesome, it's just the participants and their (mostly) stupid petty wants that disgust me |
| 11:27.16 | Wolfie | so, any ideas, other than booting? |
| 11:27.46 | ptl | jonaskoelker: if communism worked, I'd prefer that. |
| 11:27.54 | jonaskoelker | Wolfie: smack up the X server? |
| 11:27.59 | ptl | well. No, maybe not. |
| 11:28.31 | Wolfie | oh well, i booted already |
| 11:28.57 | jonaskoelker | wolfie: oh well... |
| 11:29.06 | jonaskoelker | reboot was fixy-fixy? |
| 11:29.23 | Wolfie | yeah |
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| 11:41.46 | ShadowJK | hm... file manager no longer knows how to fsck? |
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| 11:49.57 | lcuk | gah my hard drive is churning like a beast |
| 11:50.45 | lcuk | scheduled scan (which starts at 5am) was still going |
| 11:52.29 | noobmonk3y | ouch! |
| 11:53.04 | lcuk | strange, it found noobmonk3y_w32.exe |
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| 11:55.40 | noobmonk3y | hahaha |
| 11:55.51 | noobmonk3y | thank god it wasn't noobmonkey.jpg i say |
| 11:56.22 | lcuk | indeed that would crack my display :p |
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| 11:57.00 | noobmonk3y | right bbbiab |
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| 12:02.55 | user_ | ok so the sleep is ran. but it still doesnt work |
| 12:03.35 | user_ | can anyone suggest why it works when running manually and not when in script? |
| 12:04.08 | lcuk | user_, i dunno missed the rest if there was some |
| 12:05.28 | citylights2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.44 | citylights2 | I am seeking the pastebin |
| 12:05.53 | citylights2 | issue is simple |
| 12:06.51 | aSIMULAtor | waves |
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| 12:07.03 | citylights2 | after I run openvpn I get tap0 |
| 12:07.23 | lcuk | oh hai aSIMULAtor |
| 12:07.30 | citylights2 | I then issue a dhcp client to ask for an IP addr |
| 12:07.36 | lcuk | waves frantically |
| 12:07.39 | aSIMULAtor | omygash hihihi |
| 12:07.40 | aSIMULAtor | !!!!!!!! |
| 12:08.07 | lcuk | how are you doing |
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| 12:08.18 | aSIMULAtor | i'm good, decided to sit down andcheck out what's going on in here :) |
| 12:08.20 | aSIMULAtor | how are you? |
| 12:08.41 | lcuk | tired! been working flat out |
| 12:09.13 | lcuk | you been busy? |
| 12:09.19 | aSIMULAtor | i'm not surprised you're tired :) |
| 12:09.24 | aSIMULAtor | well, not as much as before hehe |
| 12:09.34 | citylights2 | hmm. ok tell when |
| 12:09.58 | lcuk | should hopefully have time to breath very soon and prepare some things |
| 12:10.29 | aSIMULAtor | in a couple of weeks? |
| 12:10.40 | lcuk | theres rumours around of me travelling your way |
| 12:10.43 | lcuk | yeah hopefully |
| 12:10.53 | aSIMULAtor | cool have to meet up for sure then |
| 12:11.12 | lcuk | has the snow melted yet |
| 12:11.15 | aSIMULAtor | ugh no |
| 12:11.22 | lcuk | or do i need to hire a boat! |
| 12:11.23 | aSIMULAtor | they dont' think the snow will melt even int eh summer |
| 12:11.25 | lcuk | arg lol |
| 12:11.35 | lcuk | yeah theres a lot over there |
| 12:11.42 | lcuk | another 10cm last week or something? |
| 12:11.42 | aSIMULAtor | ijust got my finnish license |
| 12:11.55 | aSIMULAtor | so when you come i can pick u up from where you're at and we can go around |
| 12:11.57 | lcuk | driving? or skiing? |
| 12:12.00 | aSIMULAtor | driving |
| 12:12.12 | lcuk | o_O :D |
| 12:12.18 | aSIMULAtor | funnily enough, the guy who tested me was talking about his n900 |
| 12:12.22 | aSIMULAtor | during the whole test lol |
| 12:12.26 | lcuk | bet thats harder to get than a uk/us license with the different conditions |
| 12:12.33 | lcuk | hah |
| 12:12.53 | aSIMULAtor | i traded my cali license for the finnish one..but still had to take the test since i didn't exchange it 8 months after i first moved here |
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| 12:13.07 | aSIMULAtor | good thing about it, lasts 50 years |
| 12:13.11 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 12:13.15 | lcuk | thats good |
| 12:13.30 | lcuk | btw, you need to add yourself (and work ppl) to pininthemap.com/maemo |
| 12:15.29 | aSIMULAtor | k addin |
| 12:15.30 | aSIMULAtor | g |
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| 12:19.29 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.40 | citylights2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.17 | citylights2 | i told openvpn to run this script: udhcpc with start |
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| 12:21.08 | citylights2 | I used --up "/etc/init.d/udhcpc start" |
| 12:21.49 | citylights2 | it doesnt get an IP address and keeps printing: |
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| 12:22.17 | citylights2 | Sending discover... |
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| 12:23.03 | lcuk | citylights2, thats a bit odd then |
| 12:24.12 | citylights2 | as soon as I run udhcpc stop . then start - all works |
| 12:24.15 | citylights2 | ODD |
| 12:24.26 | citylights2 | why? |
| 12:24.40 | citylights2 | isnt the sleep long? |
| 12:25.14 | lcuk | cos its not workiung |
| 12:25.22 | citylights2 | ending discover... |
| 12:25.30 | citylights2 | sending discover... |
| 12:25.54 | citylights2 | Sending select for 192.168.14.73... |
| 12:26.28 | citylights2 | what is bigging udhcpc then? |
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| 12:28.02 | citylights2 | s/bigging/bugging |
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| 12:29.27 | lcuk | citylights2, ? i havent much experience with all the startup stuff (yet) but is there a chance this is occuring before your net is up? |
| 12:29.45 | lcuk | and failing before it gets to the sleep |
| 12:29.55 | lcuk | try adding logging to the script |
| 12:30.31 | lcuk | echo "blah" >>/var/log/test.log |
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| 12:31.02 | citylights2 | luck: no way. net is up |
| 12:31.10 | citylights2 | I can test it |
| 12:31.27 | lcuk | ok just suggesting things |
| 12:31.44 | citylights2 | thanks |
| 12:31.49 | citylights2 | min pls |
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| 12:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: moo. No further tests been done. Looks good |
| 12:37.35 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah I uploaded it to extras-devel, it's there |
| 12:37.52 | wazd | hello people :) |
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| 12:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: so 1) coffe 2) update ;-D |
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| 12:49.13 | Shapeshifter | lol, updatedb is so utterly broken. I wonder why it's even in the repo. |
| 12:49.50 | Shapeshifter | /usr/bin/gnu/updatedb: line 363: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sort: not found |
| 12:49.58 | Shapeshifter | did he even test it even once? meh. |
| 12:51.38 | xeor | Anyone got firefox/fennoc with weave to work with a custom server? I cant find a box to enter my "secret" encryption key.. |
| 12:54.34 | Shapeshifter | maemo has neither fam or gamin, right? how does it monitor changes to files? |
| 12:56.28 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, inotify |
| 12:57.04 | Shapeshifter | lcuk: thanks |
| 12:58.47 | lcuk | watches movies |
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| 13:05.11 | ptl | trololo song is incredible. |
| 13:05.20 | ptl | someone should make a trololo theme for the N900. |
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| 13:10.58 | xeor | noone using weave here on the n900? |
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| 13:15.49 | Arif_ | :yawn: |
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| 13:16.57 | Shapeshifter | wtf my n900 doesn't wake up from sleep |
| 13:17.05 | Arif_ | winter sleep? |
| 13:17.16 | Shapeshifter | got an email, light is blinking, but doesn't react if I open it or press the unlock button |
| 13:17.24 | Shapeshifter | ah side button worked |
| 13:17.27 | Shapeshifter | the other two didn't |
| 13:17.29 | Shapeshifter | :o |
| 13:17.59 | Arif_ | I always use the slide thingy on the side |
| 13:18.03 | Shapeshifter | I never use it |
| 13:18.53 | Arif_ | its easier then pressing hte power button and then sliding th escreen |
| 13:19.31 | Shapeshifter | Arif_: just sliding the screen doesn't need the button |
| 13:19.53 | Arif_ | you need to press the power button once, don't you :P |
| 13:20.23 | Shapeshifter | no |
| 13:20.37 | Arif_ | just sliding the screen when its locked doesn't work... |
| 13:20.46 | Shapeshifter | yes |
| 13:20.48 | Shapeshifter | it does |
| 13:20.50 | Shapeshifter | at least here >.> |
| 13:20.55 | Shapeshifter | maybe its a setting |
| 13:21.10 | Arif_ | puts his finger somewhere int he middle of the screen and slides it to the right |
| 13:21.12 | Arif_ | aww |
| 13:21.15 | Arif_ | nothing happened :( |
| 13:21.22 | Shapeshifter | no, I mean opening the keyboard |
| 13:21.26 | Shapeshifter | "sliding" it open |
| 13:21.29 | Arif_ | oh |
| 13:21.35 | Arif_ | yeah that works too |
| 13:21.39 | Arif_ | I never use the keyboard though |
| 13:21.43 | Shapeshifter | oha |
| 13:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: inotify?? 8-D |
| 13:21.56 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah lcuk told me :) |
| 13:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I smell another cool feature |
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| 13:22.23 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: nah. I want to apply for gsoc ^^ And I'm thinking about writing the desktop search thing. |
| 13:22.46 | Shapeshifter | so I'm thinking about ways to do it. but inotify doesn't work in this case. |
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| 13:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | it'd work perfectly for the concurrent-access-to ~/.config/alarmed problem though |
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| 13:25.21 | mortal | how do I use the personal menu app on n800? |
| 13:25.26 | mortal | I installed it but I do not see anything |
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| 13:27.24 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: oh you're totally right! I didn't even think of that :D |
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| 13:33.25 | mortal | is 5.2008.43-7 the latest for n800 |
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| 13:41.52 | ShadowJK | yes, sounds right |
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| 14:00.20 | disco_stu | hi |
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| 14:17.08 | FIQ | yay alsa floating point exception |
| 14:19.30 | mtd | is there a way to cause the screen (vague term) to rotate from the command line? (n900/maemo5) |
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| 14:20.45 | Arif_ | I wish |
| 14:20.46 | FIQ | nvm |
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| 14:21.10 | joker_89 | hi |
| 14:21.14 | joker_89 | anyone use syncml? |
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| 14:23.29 | MohammadAG | E: Handler silently failed |
| 14:23.40 | MohammadAG | Nokia crippled apt? |
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| 14:27.49 | zash | How's jingle+video on n900? |
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| 14:32.45 | Arif_ | MohammadAG, silently ? :D |
| 14:32.59 | noobmonk3y | prods lcuk |
| 14:33.15 | lcuk | yo noobster |
| 14:33.18 | lcuk | you sober now? |
| 14:33.25 | noobmonk3y | hey hey i have another QT query :D |
| 14:33.28 | noobmonk3y | kinda |
| 14:33.31 | noobmonk3y | feel a little tender |
| 14:33.56 | lcuk | is trying to think about code also |
| 14:33.58 | noobmonk3y | on listWidget can you set the height on each row to autosize? |
| 14:34.11 | lcuk | i dunno, #qt-maemo is thata way >> |
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| 14:35.03 | marcus_ | Hola |
| 14:35.22 | noobmonk3y | me qt-maemo is silent :( |
| 14:35.34 | MohammadAG | Arif_, ... |
| 14:35.44 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, you dont exactly have much patience :) |
| 14:36.11 | lcuk | why not scour the extremely complete qt documentation on the class |
| 14:36.15 | Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: why not ask #qt |
| 14:36.20 | Shapeshifter | lots of people in there |
| 14:36.26 | lcuk | lots of people in here too lol |
| 14:36.55 | Shapeshifter | yeah sure :P |
| 14:36.58 | MohammadAG | SouBE, apt can't install any apps from ovi |
| 14:37.02 | Shapeshifter | but many qt devs hang out over there. |
| 14:37.16 | MohammadAG | thinking about decrippling apt |
| 14:37.28 | MohammadAG | by building it from the debian source |
| 14:38.17 | noobmonk3y | lcuk - patience with a hangover? |
| 14:38.18 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 14:38.45 | noobmonk3y | allthough i come in these places, so i dont have to wait a week on the forums lol |
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| 14:40.07 | pronto | how do i change the password for when i ssh to the phone? |
| 14:40.28 | ShadowJK | become root |
| 14:40.33 | ShadowJK | passwd root |
| 14:40.36 | ShadowJK | passwd user |
| 14:40.44 | ShadowJK | whichever you ssh in as |
| 14:43.40 | timeless_mbp | don't use password |
| 14:43.45 | timeless_mbp | set up an ssh key and use it |
| 14:44.14 | MohammadAG | I purge ssh and reinstall it |
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| 14:46.35 | mortal | is it possible to install big games on the sd cards |
| 14:49.07 | MohammadAG | No |
| 14:49.35 | MohammadAG | Unless you format it into ext3 and move the files AFTER installation, then symlinking them |
| 14:49.44 | lcuk | it should be possible to setup a custom installer/launcher to do that |
| 14:49.54 | lcuk | doesnt the pandora have something similar |
| 14:50.09 | lcuk | not just for big games, for anything |
| 14:50.21 | lcuk | seems like a reasonable idea to me :) |
| 14:50.30 | rdorsch | Has anybody navit running on the n900 reliably? |
| 14:50.55 | MohammadAG | lcuk, seriously thinking about installing maemo on the 32GB partition |
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| 14:51.37 | MohammadAG | restoring apps using apt-get, screw HAM |
| 14:51.43 | lcuk | MohammadAG, good for you :) share the notes and changes and watch out for /opt strangeness |
| 14:51.50 | lcuk | why screw it? |
| 14:51.55 | lcuk | it integrates with backup |
| 14:51.55 | MohammadAG | installing all packages AFTER downloading them |
| 14:52.00 | lcuk | which is a benefit to most people |
| 14:52.10 | MohammadAG | extracted the package names from the backup |
| 14:52.43 | MohammadAG | /media/mmc1/backups/Backup/Root/var/lib/hilleafpadlication-manager# |
| 14:53.21 | MohammadAG | downloading one package and installing it then doing the same for other packages is slow |
| 14:53.36 | MohammadAG | apt downloads all packages then installs them |
| 14:53.49 | lcuk | meh not really worth breaking the gui for it ;) |
| 14:53.56 | lcuk | but academic for yourself sure |
| 14:54.09 | MohammadAG | didn't break the GUI |
| 14:54.15 | MohammadAG | i just didn't use it :) |
| 14:54.22 | lcuk | yeah but most people do |
| 14:54.28 | MohammadAG | lcuk, /opt should behave correctly |
| 14:54.43 | MohammadAG | if the whole root was moved to the 32GB partition |
| 14:55.26 | MohammadAG | if it's symlinked (/home/opt) it shouldn't really matter since it's sharing the same space |
| 14:57.14 | Stskeeps | so where would you point people wanting to start with qt and maemo? |
| 14:57.54 | lcuk | shouldnt you be the one to tell us? |
| 14:58.45 | MohammadAG | is there a way to stop hildon-desktop? |
| 14:59.20 | SpeedEvil | Most of the core apps have watchdogs |
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| 17:49.02 | cehteh | install the sdk and compile it there |
| 17:49.13 | cehteh | but be prepared that this needs some experience and time |
| 17:49.28 | cehteh | yet alone installing the sdk needs some GB diskspace and some time |
| 17:49.38 | Griggs | hmm out |
| 17:49.42 | Griggs | sounds like im in over my head then |
| 17:49.56 | Griggs | i guess ill just wait for someone with more skills to bother get fish working for N900 |
| 17:50.07 | Griggs | since i have no clue what im doing compiling linux stuff |
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| 17:50.14 | cehteh | well maybe as on t.m.o if anyone else would do it .. i may try later but have no time now |
| 17:50.15 | arachnist | i'm going to try to compile it on my arm toy |
| 17:50.18 | Shapeshifter | Griggs: the shell? |
| 17:50.42 | Shapeshifter | ah "fish encryption"... nvm |
| 17:50.51 | arachnist | (a little bit faster than N900 and already has all of the headers and compilers and whatsoever) |
| 17:51.03 | cehteh | .. compiling it is not that hard when it works and you have the SDK installed |
| 17:51.09 | Griggs | if anyone wants to give it a try the sources for xchat and irssi fish are here http://fish.secure.la/ |
| 17:51.18 | cehteh | but i smell problems with such code and i am not after fixing them :P |
| 17:51.23 | Griggs | either will do |
| 17:51.34 | Griggs | or anything that has a client that works on the N900 tbh |
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| 17:53.22 | arachnist | Griggs: you'll have no luck |
| 17:53.47 | arachnist | Griggs: the miracl encryption library hardcodes x86 asm instruction in its source |
| 17:54.00 | Griggs | okay... |
| 17:54.03 | Griggs | im guessing thats bad? |
| 17:54.13 | C-S-B | you could ssh your traffic to irc? |
| 17:54.36 | spliffy | C-S-B: doesn't help, he needs to decrypt fish (:D) traffic |
| 17:54.39 | Griggs | yeah the point of fish encryption is to hide what you are talking about from nosy ircops |
| 17:54.47 | Griggs | it encrypts the actual text in the channel |
| 17:54.55 | Griggs | so ppl that dont have the password cant see what is being said |
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| 17:55.40 | arachnist | Griggs: that means that a: it is impossible to compile/run it outside of junky x86 hardware |
| 17:55.48 | arachnist | s/a: // |
| 17:55.56 | SpeedEvil | Griggs: well - if it hardcodes a different processors instructions - you need to rewrite that algorithm in eitehr assembler for your new arch - or rewruite a protable library |
| 17:56.10 | SpeedEvil | also - qemu |
| 17:56.22 | Griggs | okay |
| 17:56.29 | Griggs | as i suspected im in way over my head |
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| 17:57.08 | arachnist | there are better solutions to "nosy ircops" problem. for example, running your own network |
| 17:57.10 | SpeedEvil | Or convince someone to do so. |
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| 17:57.53 | spliffy | arachnist: true but there are situations where this isn't possible. reality is an asshole |
| 17:58.06 | Griggs | yeah |
| 17:58.10 | Griggs | its not really up to me |
| 17:58.19 | Griggs | if i want to chat in those channels that use that i have to use it |
| 17:58.24 | Griggs | even tho its stupid |
| 17:58.40 | arachnist | and both the miracl library and the FiSH source make me want to puke :/ |
| 18:00.20 | arachnist | Griggs: you might try running irssi with FiSH enabled on some compatible hardware, load the irssi-proxy module there and connect to that irssi using xchat on the n900 |
| 18:00.40 | arachnist | (irssi-proxy acts like a BNC software, but is just a plugin for irssi) |
| 18:01.36 | Griggs | hmm |
| 18:01.48 | Griggs | so basically i would need a server up 24/7 running irssi with some module? |
| 18:01.59 | arachnist | with 2 modules actually |
| 18:02.09 | Griggs | heh okay |
| 18:02.11 | arachnist | one's the FiSH and the other's irssi-proxy |
| 18:02.44 | Griggs | yeah i guess |
| 18:02.48 | Griggs | sounds like too much work tho |
| 18:02.53 | Griggs | and i dont really have a server |
| 18:03.03 | Griggs | if i did i would probably just vnc to it |
| 18:03.07 | Griggs | from my N900 |
| 18:03.08 | arachnist | and that's assuming that the irssi-proxy will get the decrypted text from FiSH, instead of passing the encrypted stuff to the other client |
| 18:03.29 | Griggs | and run the irc client on the server |
| 18:03.30 | arachnist | vnc? what for. for servers all you need is ssh |
| 18:03.59 | Griggs | can i get a remote desktop that way? |
| 18:04.10 | Griggs | i just figured since there is a vnc client for the n900 |
| 18:04.19 | Griggs | could be a easy way to solve it, if i had a server that is |
| 18:04.23 | arachnist | ssh is a way to run cli apps (like the irssi irc client) over network |
| 18:04.28 | Griggs | remote desktop to the server that runs irc and some other stuff |
| 18:04.32 | spliffy | no, you need vnc/rdp for remote desktop |
| 18:04.43 | ShadowJK | the implication was that one does not have graphical stuff on servers |
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| 18:05.02 | arachnist | and for N900 there are ssh, rdesktop and vnc clients |
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| 18:06.17 | spliffy | basically it's like that: you have a windows server, you use vnc/rdp. linux server -> ssh |
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| 18:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | what a kinky idea nayway to use a protocol and infrastruct like IRC to implement a point-to-point encrypted communication - *uarrghh* |
| 18:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 18:09.36 | arachnist | well, FiSH looks like a bad solution to a nonexistant problem. and badly written at that |
| 18:09.37 | ColdFyre | what? ssl vpn? |
| 18:10.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I recall this sort of thing being in use in ~1990 |
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| 18:12.43 | DocScrutinizer | any sane irc admin will kick those chan off his server without asking |
| 18:13.04 | spliffy | arachnist: you don't see the problem. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
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| 18:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | spliffy: it's like inventing a method to leave encrypted notes for exactly one recipient at the university's blackboard |
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| 18:16.05 | spliffy | DocScrutinizer: it works for a channel not only p2p |
| 18:16.43 | arachnist | well, nosy ircops is not a real problem. you can run your own network which would only permit ssl-encrypted connections using only trusted keys |
| 18:16.51 | arachnist | it's really not that hard |
| 18:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | let me put it that way: If I want to have a private talk to somebody, I won't use a megaphone and think about a kinky code for my words |
| 18:17.20 | arachnist | and oh, it happens to be supported by just about every real irc client |
| 18:18.05 | ShadowJK | ssl irc is decrypted at the server and processed unencrypted |
| 18:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 18:18.37 | arachnist | ShadowJK: who cares, if you're the one running the irc server? |
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| 18:18.49 | spliffy | yeah you could run your own server, but the point is you don't need to |
| 18:18.59 | ShadowJK | it's obviously fine if you trust the server :) |
| 18:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | it's an idiotic concept to bring privacy to a medium designed for public speech |
| 18:20.05 | Arkenoi | there is OTR for irc |
| 18:20.16 | Arkenoi | and iirc it was ported to maemo |
| 18:20.55 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: everyoen knows SSL IRC is just to bypass firewalls |
| 18:21.06 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, a medium favoured for coordination by all the borderline legal and outright illegal groups on the internet ;) |
| 18:21.26 | arachnist | ShadowJK: i alone have at least two boxes which i trust. one's running linux with rsbac patched kernel and only a few people have access to it and the other is a freebsd box, to which only i have access |
| 18:21.26 | Arkenoi | to bypass stupid firewalls. |
| 18:21.43 | ShadowJK | luke-jr: oh I thought it was for avoiding man-in-middle packet sniffing |
| 18:21.59 | spliffy | whatever. i don't use it anymore but i am thankful that it exists |
| 18:22.41 | ShadowJK | but the real secuirty comes from nobody having a clever way to mine out relevant stuff from irc yet ;p |
| 18:22.57 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: yes, I'm going to sniff #Maemo convos rather than /j and lurk |
| 18:23.35 | C-S-B | The SDK installs from the shell scripts on lucid btw guys, the python fails |
| 18:23.40 | arachnist | ShadowJK: you're claiming that there actually is relevant stuff on irc! :> |
| 18:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | spliffy: btw you claim it works for one-to-many as well ("in a channel"). That's virtually impossible to implement correctly, thinking along a line of using a sane PKI |
| 18:24.44 | ShadowJK | luke-jr: it's true that infiltration has been more effective than wiretapping :) |
| 18:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | spliffy: and as soon as you use a shared common sercret, it's doomed (aka flawed) from beginning |
| 18:26.22 | luke-jr | SSL isn't shared secret |
| 18:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: no, I never claimed it is |
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| 18:27.17 | luke-jr | any ideas for my curriculum? http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/chores/table2.html |
| 18:27.39 | luke-jr | note it's by age, not grade level |
| 18:27.42 | ioeee | saluda o/ |
| 18:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: but shared secret is the only way to implement one-to-many encryption in such a scenario |
| 18:30.09 | arachnist | you could, in theory, generate a public/private key pair for every participant and encrypt each message with each pair and send messages encrypted with proper keys to the right people and so on... and then your server crashes under load |
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| 18:30.40 | luke-jr | arachnist: doesn't FreeNode do that more or less? |
| 18:30.50 | luke-jr | if everyone has SSL enabled |
| 18:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | arachnist: [2010-03-21 19:24:26] <DocScrutinizer> spliffy: btw you claim it works for one-to-many as well ("in a channel"). That's virtually impossible to implement correctly, thinking along a line of using a sane PKI |
| 18:31.12 | luke-jr | Sender encrypts to his FN server; the FN server encrypts to each recipient |
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| 18:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: the hub in SSL is the IRC server. The hub in what arachnist sketched is your client |
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| 18:32.24 | Corsac | hmh, does fremantle support smb browsing? |
| 18:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, seem to remember a shout "hooray it even does browsing" |
| 18:33.16 | C-S-B | with the cifs pack |
| 18:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | ...even in the hildon filemanager |
| 18:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | odds are I'm mistaken |
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| 18:35.51 | simoneb_ | is the stuff written on stdout by widgets logged somewhere? |
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| 18:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | usually not |
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| 18:36.52 | simoneb_ | uhm, but can I start it and then see what it prints? |
| 18:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | just start from xterm |
| 18:37.55 | simoneb_ | how do i start a widget that way? |
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| 18:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | X Terminal: 'hildon-application-manager<enter>' |
| 18:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | s/HAM/<your-app> |
| 18:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry. missed the widget part |
| 18:41.36 | simoneb_ | uhhmm... so? it can't be done? |
| 18:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno who's starting the widgets and in which way |
| 18:42.41 | simoneb_ | i'm wondering why the notes application does not trigger my inotify listener ... and i don't have that application in scratchbox |
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| 18:47.25 | lcuk | simoneb_, change your printfs to write to a file |
| 18:47.54 | lcuk | afaik you owuld have to restart the desktop in a visible console to see the debug output |
| 18:48.03 | lcuk | so just write to file |
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| 18:52.11 | simoneb_ | i was too lazy to do that |
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| 18:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | redirect stdout, on startup? |
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| 19:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 19:09.03 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
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| 19:43.04 | Appiah | I'm trying to compile something in the SDK, and I'm stuck at ./configure beacuse it cant find python 2.4 or greater . But I do have python 2.5 found this : http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/FAQ |
| 19:43.55 | Appiah | thats about running your python scripts and debian packaging |
| 19:44.16 | Appiah | but I'm just trying to run configure here, can anyone explain to me? :) |
| 19:44.53 | matthewbpt | hey guys, i just bought an n900 off someone on ebay, he shipped it to me with all his contacts and settings and files still on it. I read that to restore completely to factory settings i can flash the firmware and then the emmc, but it says not to boot back into the n900 between flashing the firmware and the emmc, however i did the firmware flashing and when it finished it has automatically rebooted into the phone, shou |
| 19:45.15 | Stskeeps | matthewbpt: you got cut off at 'shou' |
| 19:45.56 | matthewbpt | should i turn it off and flash the emmc anyway? what to do? |
| 19:46.09 | crashanddie | that would be a very long sentence if you were standing next to us in real life |
| 19:46.13 | ali1234 | it should come up at the configure screen, just reboot it |
| 19:46.41 | ali1234 | nothing bad will happen (eg it wont restore backups from emmc until after you configure it all) |
| 19:46.51 | ali1234 | if backups even exist |
| 19:46.53 | Griggs | hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900? |
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| 19:48.43 | lcuk | matthewbpt, flash emmc first, then the rootfs image :) |
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| 19:50.15 | matthewbpt | cool thanx :) |
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| 19:59.55 | andrei | I'm trying to install the sdk, and the install script dies with: "awk: fatal: could not find groups: Invalid argument" Enyone else encouter this? |
| 20:02.20 | matthewbpt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.26 | matthewbpt | ok weird, on rebooting it its not detecting my simcard anymore |
| 20:08.22 | matthewbpt | it detected it fine befpre |
| 20:08.25 | matthewbpt | before* |
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| 20:09.35 | sp3000 | you got the latest version right? |
| 20:10.54 | matthewbpt | is the week 51 the latest one? |
| 20:11.26 | matthewbpt | whoops i got the wrong one... |
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| 20:12.35 | matthewbpt | ill flash it again with the right one, pr1.1.1 |
| 20:15.09 | Griggs | hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900? |
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| 20:17.34 | marcus_ | HOLA |
| 20:18.05 | hrw | morning |
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| 20:24.50 | MohammadAG | <matthewbpt> ok weird, on rebooting it its not detecting my simcard anymore |
| 20:24.56 | MohammadAG | happens to me, I just readjust the SIM |
| 20:25.10 | MohammadAG | could be a loose sim hatch |
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| 20:29.37 | N900evil | RST38h, did you do something to scrolling on xchat - or I just found it. |
| 20:30.24 | N900evil | (select some text, including the top or bottom of the screen, and it carries omn scrolling. |
| 20:30.36 | MohammadAG | N900evil, was it updated? |
| 20:30.48 | MohammadAG | N900evil, same as in desktop version, nothing new |
| 20:32.43 | SpeedEvil | Aren't sure |
| 20:32.46 | SpeedEvil | Don't think so |
| 20:32.54 | SpeedEvil | I just discovered it |
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| 20:40.58 | hrw | ~curse idealists on meego-dev ML |
| 20:40.59 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, idealists on meego-dev ML ! |
| 20:41.25 | marcus_ | Oh gawd |
| 20:41.36 | marcus_ | I hope I can get the english n900 layout in Denmark. |
| 20:41.55 | marcus_ | The UP key requires Fn on the danish layout |
| 20:42.22 | Shapeshifter | marcus_: same in alsmost any place on the world except uk and netherlands |
| 20:42.44 | marcus_ | Shapeshifter: It's not. We have got the ÆØÅ |
| 20:42.49 | Shapeshifter | marcus_: I thought it was really stupid as well, but now I don't _really_ mind. though you can switch the keyboard loayout without a porblem |
| 20:42.59 | marcus_ | Oh, in that way |
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| 20:43.15 | marcus_ | Are you using the ÆØÅ keyboard? |
| 20:43.16 | Shapeshifter | and you can buy a new hardware keypad if you like. there are few suppliers but they exist |
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| 20:43.24 | Shapeshifter | no, but I have äöü |
| 20:43.31 | marcus_ | Oh I see. So you havent got an up key? |
| 20:43.33 | Shapeshifter | they're all the same, only two directional keys. |
| 20:43.36 | Shapeshifter | yeah |
| 20:43.38 | hrw | bye |
| 20:43.44 | noobmonk3y | lo alls :D |
| 20:44.02 | marcus_ | Shapeshifter: Isnt it annoying? Have you edited it, so the ä is UP? |
| 20:44.03 | noobmonk3y | anyone know why when you test led patterns, only some of them work? (Using dbus) |
| 20:45.05 | Shapeshifter | marcus_: nah as I said I don't really mind. I mind less, then I thought I would before I got it. Also, in games, well, emulators, you'll change the keys anyway. So the only place where I regularly use UP is in the terminal |
| 20:45.11 | Shapeshifter | other than that, I rarely use it. |
| 20:45.25 | marcus_ | Shapeshifter: Yeah, my worry was about the emulators etc |
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| 20:45.51 | Shapeshifter | marcus_: most of them set keys themselves anyway |
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| 20:50.37 | marcus_ | I can use the n900 without 3g, right? |
| 20:50.47 | Shapeshifter | marcus_: sure |
| 20:50.54 | Stskeeps | right, but agps is a bit shitty without |
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| 20:51.54 | Arif_ | oo |
| 20:51.55 | Arif_ | 4 updates |
| 20:52.13 | Arif_ | there should really be changelogs in these things |
| 20:52.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | yo |
| 20:53.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | and a list of files (FQN. size) |
| 20:53.18 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 20:53.21 | noobmonk3y | evenin ;) |
| 20:53.59 | Arif_ | ohai |
| 20:54.00 | Arif_ | :D |
| 20:54.39 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 20:56.09 | Shapeshifter | didn't know about tracker |
| 20:56.23 | Shapeshifter | what a name, even. "tracker". |
| 20:56.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | frecker |
| 20:57.52 | noobmonk3y | doesnt like LED's..... |
| 20:58.10 | Arif_ | LEDs ftw |
| 20:58.15 | Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: heresy! |
| 20:58.22 | noobmonk3y | lol ;) |
| 20:58.34 | noobmonk3y | its not that i hate them, just dislike them when they dont work |
| 20:58.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | outright idiocy. This tracker fregger should be a function of mediaplayer for user to trigger deliberately, with a clearly specified goal/task/path/younameit |
| 21:00.13 | noobmonk3y | fucksocks....... |
| 21:00.17 | noobmonk3y | figure out why.... |
| 21:00.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | bah |
| 21:00.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | ipod nano |
| 21:00.33 | noobmonk3y | some only work when the screen is off...... hmmmm |
| 21:00.42 | noobmonk3y | now how to turn the screen off in pyqt lol |
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| 21:02.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/ipod nano/ such a concept (tracker) might be appropriate for a dedicated MP3player. For sure it's a complete fail on a palmtop linux computer that can play media incidentally |
| 21:03.51 | Arif_ | maybe you play media incidentally |
| 21:03.53 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 21:04.19 | noobmonk3y | ? |
| 21:04.55 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: I was referring to the tracker search indexer on the n900 |
| 21:05.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: me too |
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| 21:05.50 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: are you saying that it's scanning media tags for nothing? |
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| 21:06.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | or is there a beagle/spotlight alike function of tracker as welll? |
| 21:06.02 | Shapeshifter | It's not just for media, if I got this right. |
| 21:06.27 | Shapeshifter | well, it's for anything. there are modules for media metadata but it appears that it's sort of a - yeah, beagle, strigi sort of indexer |
| 21:07.08 | Shapeshifter | would like to participate in gsoc with maemo. And one of the proposals is desktop search. |
| 21:07.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh, so how ould I use those amazing index hits for e.g. a pertnumber of a component? |
| 21:08.26 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: what component? |
| 21:08.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | I honestly doubt indexer doesw anything beyond media file indexing |
| 21:09.52 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/documentation.html |
| 21:10.16 | Shapeshifter | there's even a tracker search tool and gnome "search bar" which uses tracker |
| 21:10.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | gnome.org ??? o.O |
| 21:10.43 | Shapeshifter | yeah |
| 21:10.52 | njsf_1 | tracker is a gnome project |
| 21:11.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | so where's that great searchtool on aemo? |
| 21:11.09 | Shapeshifter | now, I don't like gnome in particular as a DE, but this doesn't seem so bad, imo http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/features.html |
| 21:11.15 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: nowhere. that's the proposal |
| 21:11.26 | Shapeshifter | And I'm kinda hoping I can write it ;) |
| 21:11.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | screw it |
| 21:11.38 | Shapeshifter | lol |
| 21:11.56 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 21:12.09 | Arif_ | I read somewhere the medıa player wıll be open for plugıns ın pr1.2 |
| 21:12.13 | Arif_ | what does this mean for us :D |
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| 21:12.30 | Stskeeps | isn't it already? |
| 21:12.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, for now I keep to be convinced tracker is any good for anything |
| 21:12.55 | TomaszD | there's going to be a UI for it now Stskeeps afaict |
| 21:12.56 | njsf_1 | for additional codecs yes |
| 21:13.02 | njsf_1 | display plugins AFAIK not |
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| 21:13.17 | Arif_ | could this be used to create a "share" option in the media player |
| 21:13.18 | Arif_ | xD |
| 21:13.26 | TomaszD | additional codecs get plugged through gstreamer, not mafw |
| 21:13.45 | TomaszD | this is possibly for some sort of a UI for last.fm, I hope |
| 21:13.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~nuke gnome |
| 21:13.47 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gnome ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 21:14.09 | Shapeshifter | hugs utf8 |
| 21:14.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe xchat fail |
| 21:14.30 | Arif_ | encodes Shapeshifter |
| 21:14.30 | dan2003 | hi guys, am looking to make a mpd client homescreen, widget for it states on the qt4/hildon wiki to use osso, i thought this wasn't required with qt4? or is this special to being a widget? |
| 21:17.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | find / -name 'g*' -exec 'rm -f {}' |
| 21:20.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | gconftool = regedit32's debile younger brother |
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| 21:24.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | gnome philosophy: let's try to be as good as windows - bleeerrrgh |
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| 21:25.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ubuntu : no comment, see XKCD |
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| 21:39.28 | MohammadAG | does it take force to remove the charger (more than the USB cable)? |
| 21:39.33 | MohammadAG | just noticed it |
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| 21:46.56 | njsf_1 | re Hi all |
| 21:48.48 | pupnik | the javises are great :) |
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| 21:51.31 | njsf_1 | pupnik: javises? |
| 21:54.54 | pupnik | two guys from barcelona. made drnoksnes and picodrive for maemo |
| 21:55.24 | kynky | was drnoksnes just ripped from code for pandora port |
| 21:55.26 | kynky | ? |
| 21:59.20 | red | javispedro and who else? |
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| 22:05.24 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah who came up with the idea of gconf anyway >.> |
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| 22:05.33 | Shapeshifter | what's the point. what is wrong with files for gods sake. |
| 22:05.58 | b-man17 | ~seen Archanamiya |
| 22:06.03 | infobot | archanamiya <n=Billy@wikipedia/Archanamiya> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 65d 2h 30m 52s ago, saying: 'bye all'. |
| 22:06.03 | Shapeshifter | XDG ftw |
| 22:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | windoze fanboiz? |
| 22:06.07 | kynky | Shapeshifter, i guess the people that got used to registry |
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| 22:06.31 | b-man17 | hmm |
| 22:06.42 | b-man17 | ~seen xnt14 |
| 22:06.42 | infobot | xnt14 <~xnt@pool-71-251-0-157.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 24d 4h 5m 33s ago, saying: 'how do I stop all hildon-desktop services? /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop doesn't seem to kill widgets and the menubar.'. |
| 22:06.55 | red | well it IS an nifty way to go thru all settings |
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| 22:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | red: duh? |
| 22:09.33 | pupnik | kynky: from the gp2x drpocketsnes. needed new sound backend, graphics rendering and gui |
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| 22:09.47 | pupnik | red, javicq |
| 22:10.02 | kynky | pupnik, thats the one |
| 22:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | red: what the hell is "go thru all settings"? find /etc -name "*.cfg" -exec "less {} ;" ? or what |
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| 22:19.06 | brody | hi |
| 22:19.37 | brody | is this the correct place to ask a couple of questions about the n900? |
| 22:19.46 | brody | i bought one yesterday |
| 22:19.55 | haltdef | yoink |
| 22:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | prolly yes |
| 22:20.47 | brody | who's yoink |
| 22:21.00 | brody | good thx |
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| 22:21.32 | brody | what do i have to do to understand the inner workings of this? |
| 22:21.45 | brody | do i have to install the sdk? |
| 22:21.48 | nidO | thats rather broad |
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| 22:22.56 | brody | well, specifically, for example, i would be interested in filtering some incoming calls so that the number that appears in the screen is not the same that is making the call |
| 22:23.33 | Griggs | hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900? |
| 22:24.03 | nidO | same functionality as in uses dropbox, or syncs content somewhere? |
| 22:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | brody: that's a rather abitioned project |
| 22:24.18 | brody | i would like to do that, but it's not important, i would like to read somewhere what files are in the device, and what do they do |
| 22:24.19 | pupnik | brody: the phone app isnt open source iirc |
| 22:24.32 | brody | oh |
| 22:24.38 | brody | i didn't know that |
| 22:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | yes, thet's the problem with tweaks like that |
| 22:24.51 | pupnik | probably first steps are install openssh |
| 22:25.09 | pupnik | then poke around the system |
| 22:25.19 | nidO | then reflash it when you break it |
| 22:25.35 | pupnik | ok then peek around first :) |
| 22:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | brody: you got general linux knowledge? |
| 22:25.48 | brody | i already have ssh |
| 22:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 22:25.57 | brody | and general linux knowledge, i think |
| 22:26.05 | brody | and i did that chroot thing with debian |
| 22:26.09 | brody | mmm |
| 22:26.13 | brody | easy debian |
| 22:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | brody: wiki seems a good starting point |
| 22:26.22 | brody | to install some debian packages |
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| 22:27.27 | brody | but i don't seem to find in the wiki what files do what things, and how |
| 22:27.33 | brody | i'll read it better |
| 22:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | maybe roundabout there: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/ |
| 22:28.10 | brody | i will poke around, but i will probably break something :) |
| 22:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | no problem |
| 22:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | just reflash a fresh system ;-D |
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| 22:29.37 | brody | yeah, there is a good explanation about that |
| 22:30.20 | brody | so there aren't a manual for geeks yet? |
| 22:30.51 | brody | does installing the sdk open many possibilities? |
| 22:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | brody: many subsystems on maemo are dbus based. pkg mdbus2 is rather convenient to experiment with that. also see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS |
| 22:31.29 | brody | thx thx |
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| 22:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | brody: (manual for geeks) seems there's no O'Reily "Meamo Unleashed" book yet |
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| 22:33.02 | jaska | typoing unleashed |
| 22:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | friggin spellchacker |
| 22:34.46 | brody | maemo in a nutshell neither |
| 22:35.04 | lcuk | "yet" |
| 22:35.16 | lcuk | is anyone over there working on one >>> ? |
| 22:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | let's hope and pray |
| 22:35.59 | brody | who's going to do it if we don't |
| 22:36.01 | Neostrider | I remember seeing something over Amazon about it |
| 22:36.16 | Neostrider | And I also have seen a book that covers IT2006, as well as other platforms |
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| 22:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, "embedded linux", Joachim Schroeder |
| 22:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | best match |
| 22:40.25 | brody | the phone app is not open |
| 22:40.37 | brody | is there anything else that is not open? |
| 22:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | nah, Maemo von Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, und John McBrewster von Alphascript Publishing |
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| 22:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ |
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| 22:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | probably it's not the most recent link |
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| 22:41.59 | brody | cool |
| 22:42.12 | joga | I've installed bash and modified /etc/passwd to have /bin/bash for user and root (well, I did anyway). that didn't work though, I still got sh when starting a terminal. should modifying the login shell be enough to get bash for default? |
| 22:42.46 | joga | and is it safe to add /etc/shells if it doesn't exist? |
| 22:42.50 | ml-mobile | are you sure that you aren't getting bash? |
| 22:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | joga: you *got* bash? |
| 22:43.20 | joga | ml-mobile: yeah it shows the busybox banner |
| 22:43.24 | joga | and doesn't read my bashrc |
| 22:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | joga: I.E bash is busybox, unless you got pkg bash |
| 22:43.34 | joga | DocScrutinizer: I have the package bash |
| 22:43.48 | joga | I can run it from sh and it'll work as expected |
| 22:44.31 | joga | when googling I just saw some stuff where there has been problems when changing the shell so I don't want to mess it up accidentally :) |
| 22:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | no idea then. Rumour has it installing bash for default shell breaks system boot though |
| 22:44.52 | joga | DocScrutinizer: I think it has to do with replacing /bin/sh with bash |
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| 22:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's exactly what will "brick" your system |
| 22:45.37 | joga | I don't think any of the critical system scripts are dependent on the shell the user has chosen |
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| 22:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | I heard they do |
| 22:46.00 | microlith | is the bash pacakge optified? |
| 22:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | nah, of course not THE USER |
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| 22:47.10 | joga | so I'd just to have bash started when I run the terminal, I now have a simple shortcut there that runs bash in osso-xterm |
| 22:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | no idea why chsh wouldn't work. I heard success reports on that bit |
| 22:47.22 | joga | *just like to have |
| 22:47.36 | joga | DocScrutinizer: chsh complains about /bin/bash not being mentioned in /etc/shells, which does not exist |
| 22:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | which might explain a bit |
| 22:47.58 | joga | but if it's ok to create it I can try |
| 22:48.04 | joga | yeah |
| 22:48.17 | joga | I'll try, just a sec :) |
| 22:50.01 | joga | yay, now it starts bash |
| 22:50.25 | joga | I hope it's safe to boot ;) |
| 22:51.12 | joga | ah, perfect. |
| 22:51.36 | joga | I created /etc/shells that has /bin/bash and /bin/sh |
| 22:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | joga: try boot ;-) |
| 22:52.53 | joga | DocScrutinizer: assuming it might fail, how do I recover? ;) |
| 22:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | just to be sure |
| 22:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | reflash |
| 22:53.08 | joga | can I modify the filesystem any other way? |
| 22:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 22:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 22:53.47 | joga | heh I guess it could be possible to add a script somewhere near the beginning of boot that prompts to remove /etc/shells |
| 22:54.11 | joga | but ah well I'll just google a bit to feel more confident ;) |
| 22:54.33 | joga | "I can set it with chsh for root, when i set it for the user then the N900 will no more boot, can anybody confirm this? The only solution is to flash the device." |
| 22:54.36 | joga | doh.. |
| 22:54.47 | joga | "Yes setting shell to anything other than sh will kill the device. " |
| 22:54.49 | joga | ok... |
| 22:54.50 | joga | :D |
| 22:54.58 | joga | this doth not bode well |
| 22:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | toldya |
| 22:55.07 | joga | maybe I'll just fix it back. I wonder why is that |
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| 22:56.06 | joga | there really ought to be a simple way to recover from simple modifications like that.. |
| 22:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | the only way would be to have a rescue system |
| 22:57.00 | joga | yeah, something like that |
| 22:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | so you could mount the original system's / |
| 22:57.12 | joga | a couple of megabytes for that purpose is worth it :) |
| 22:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | patches welcome ;-D |
| 22:58.00 | joga | so I switched with chsh the user's shell back to /bin/sh, then removed /etc/shells and confirmed root also has /bin/sh selected |
| 22:58.06 | joga | I guess it's safe to boot now |
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| 22:58.36 | brody | to change the default shell prevents the device to boot and people doesn't know why? |
| 22:58.41 | brody | wow |
| 22:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | probably some cracks know exactly why |
| 22:59.09 | SpeedEvil | probably some subtly incompatible boot script |
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| 22:59.23 | joga | I can see why the shell would make a difference in some scripts, but the user's shell shouldn't be that relevant |
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| 22:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | joga: well, the desktop is mainly user |
| 23:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | and there's no such thing like a console and a init -s |
| 23:00.37 | joga | DocScrutinizer: ok, I haven't studied it much yet, I've only had the device for a few days |
| 23:02.44 | brody | but with the rootsh package we become root don't we? |
| 23:02.52 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:02.54 | joga | yes |
| 23:02.59 | brody | we could do whatever we wanted, in theory |
| 23:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:03.13 | pupnik | i want irssi in sunglasses |
| 23:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 23:03.34 | brody | i don't agree with the fact that we can't change the shell |
| 23:03.35 | joga | pupnik: heh, get two n900s and duct tape |
| 23:04.56 | brody | is people working on this? |
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| 23:05.13 | pupnik | theres the focal length problem. i dont see how it is possible to get text overlaid on your fov |
| 23:05.13 | brody | i can help writing docs |
| 23:05.32 | brody | or reversing binaries |
| 23:05.54 | Lumpio- | Or get four N900s |
| 23:05.57 | joga | what sort of backups does the n900 make? can these be modified/mounted? |
| 23:05.59 | Lumpio- | Tape them together 2x2 |
| 23:06.05 | Lumpio- | And you have the N900Pad |
| 23:06.12 | Shapeshifter | argh the horror |
| 23:06.54 | pupnik | good question joga |
| 23:08.00 | pupnik | i have to praise nokias testing. n900 seems the stablest tablet yet |
| 23:08.11 | joga | I'm very pleased thus far too |
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| 23:10.42 | joga | I've noticed many small things that just weren't there on the n800 and some things I've thought would be nice, and then some things that I hadn't think of myself than then seem obvious |
| 23:11.02 | joga | *that |
| 23:12.04 | joga | it's like a swiss army knife of teh internets ;) |
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| 23:14.02 | pupnik | mhm |
| 23:14.17 | pupnik | i love the fuzzy targeting to open a url |
| 23:14.26 | pupnik | from terminal |
| 23:14.37 | pupnik | exactly what i asked for |
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| 23:17.29 | nbdarvin | hi to all |
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| 23:22.00 | joga | hey...can the device be used as mass storage if it's turned off and then plugged in? this implies so http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=566432#post566432 |
| 23:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | brody: (chg shell fact) as mentioned before there've been 'done!' reports as well. Strange thing seems for some people it works while others break their boot. Generally there's reluctance in tampering with that stuff |
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| 23:22.13 | joga | and does it expose the root filesystem |
| 23:22.38 | joga | (because that would be awesome) |
| 23:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | joga: seems turning of isn't exactly helpful |
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| 23:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise, yes of course it's a mass storage - and a lot of people curse the implications of that |
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| 23:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | turning off* |
| 23:26.00 | joga | ah, yeah, well, it is a bit of a concern securitywise.. |
| 23:26.27 | joga | if there was some way to tell the device that "yeah it's me, pop the hood" |
| 23:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | and no, it does *not* expose the rootfs, which is the major annoyance in messing around with initscripts etc as well as the cause of all the implications. rootfs is *not* a fat fs |
| 23:27.12 | SpeedEvil | Nor is /hom |
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| 23:30.40 | brody | DocScrutinizer: but there must be people that know how things work somewhere, haven't they written it? |
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| 23:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | sure - lol. |
| 23:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | just I for one don't know who exactly those people are |
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| 23:31.40 | brody | lol |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | my take on that is my favourite saying: >>I *HATE* BUSYBOX!<< |
| 23:33.53 | brody | they are reading us |
| 23:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | messybox is for washing machines, not for users of xterm |
| 23:35.33 | joga | I'll dare it now and reboot.. |
| 23:35.47 | brody | and they're rejecting the idea of sharing their knowledge, because the have better things to do |
| 23:35.51 | brody | i understand |
| 23:35.54 | brody | good luck joga |
| 23:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | joga: the brave ones ;-) |
| 23:36.05 | joga | brody: well, they don't have time for everything |
| 23:36.13 | brody | yeah |
| 23:37.28 | joga | it works as usual now that I rebooted |
| 23:37.32 | joga | *phew* |
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| 23:37.37 | Jinux | hey |
| 23:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | hey?? o.O ?? |
| 23:38.03 | joga | well, it wasn't even that exciting since there should have been no obvious reason why it wouldn't boot if I just reverted my changes |
| 23:38.09 | brody | we are all phewing with you joga |
| 23:38.11 | brody | congratz |
| 23:38.18 | Jinux | lol |
| 23:38.24 | Jinux | guys i has an issue |
| 23:38.30 | Jinux | nice to meet you all |
| 23:38.33 | joga | hi |
| 23:38.36 | LiraNuna | how do I start 'mouse cursor' mode on microB? |
| 23:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | joga: huh, you reverted the changes? |
| 23:38.43 | LiraNuna | For that, you have to get into âmouse cursorâ mode with the device. Sliding your finger to the right from the bottom left corner of the display brings up cursor icon â tap it and youâre now in mouse mode |
| 23:38.47 | LiraNuna | I can't seem to do that |
| 23:39.03 | joga | DocScrutinizer: yeah I mean, I never rebooted it *with* the changes I made with chsh |
| 23:39.14 | joga | I just changed it back |
| 23:39.26 | joga | and removed /etc/shells |
| 23:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | bah, THAT'S lame |
| 23:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 23:39.32 | brody | lol |
| 23:39.33 | joga | yup ;) |
| 23:39.54 | brody | but he said that he had done it |
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| 23:40.03 | joga | I did change /etc/passwd |
| 23:40.15 | joga | but I didn't realize I needed /etc/shells I guess, so it didn't actually use bash |
| 23:40.19 | joga | (I reckon?) |
| 23:40.42 | joga | had I done both I might have hosed it, from what I read |
| 23:41.18 | joga | booting with just changed shells in /etc/passwd didn't have any effect |
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| 23:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | (hosed) or you'd be the hero of Sunday Mar 22 2010 |
| 23:42.04 | Arif_ | hm |
| 23:42.11 | joga | heh |
| 23:42.33 | joga | if I didn't need the phone for daily stuff I'd like to experiment with it more |
| 23:42.36 | Jinux | so - my n900 is having hash sum errors |
| 23:42.39 | Jinux | anyone? |
| 23:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | where? |
| 23:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | when? |
| 23:43.23 | brody | we need articles about the system |
| 23:43.25 | Jinux | i update the app lists and the extras repo fails |
| 23:43.39 | Jinux | 'hash sum mismatch' |
| 23:43.52 | lcuk | ok, remove additional repositories first |
| 23:44.02 | Jinux | yup |
| 23:44.04 | lcuk | devel/testing and any other custom ones |
| 23:44.07 | Jinux | done |
| 23:44.12 | brody | do you want to install any specific application? |
| 23:44.18 | joga | brody: I think we'll get them, in time |
| 23:44.43 | lcuk | Jinux, refresh your cache thingy, does it still have same problem |
| 23:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: it works exactly like described. slide in lower hlaf of left edge of screen from outside to the center horizontally - pointer symbol will appear. Touch that |
| 23:45.12 | lcuk | loves explaining UX to people |
| 23:45.20 | Jinux | lcuk: yeah :( |
| 23:45.24 | lcuk | im so glad gestures exist |
| 23:45.32 | lcuk | rolls eyes |
| 23:45.44 | lcuk | Jinux, bah |
| 23:46.17 | brody | joga: we will, if god listens to my prayers |
| 23:46.21 | Jinux | what now? only had it a day and already borked it xD |
| 23:46.51 | lcuk | ok, close HAM, reboot your machine and try again - just incase something farted |
| 23:47.16 | brody | what filesystem is it? |
| 23:47.16 | Jinux | how do i close HAM? |
| 23:47.18 | lcuk | (plus it gives ppl chance to think :p |
| 23:48.17 | Jinux | ? |
| 23:48.21 | lcuk | Jinux, chances are its not you |
| 23:48.39 | Jinux | :) good to hear |
| 23:48.49 | Jinux | how do i close HAM? |
| 23:49.07 | lcuk | mmm perhaps |
| 23:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: actually (just tested) it doesn't matter where you do that, just slide from left outside of screen into screen |
| 23:49.18 | lcuk | Jinux, have you sussed out how to gain root yet |
| 23:49.59 | Jinux | lcuk, yeah ive got a terminal waiting in the background |
| 23:50.07 | brody | i go to sleep |
| 23:50.16 | brody | see you tomorrow, thx! |
| 23:50.31 | lcuk | Jinux, someone on forums says "apt-get autoclean" cured their problem |
| 23:50.32 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44048 |
| 23:50.42 | lcuk | close the app manager application |
| 23:50.42 | Jinux | ive tried that |
| 23:50.45 | lcuk | with its X |
| 23:50.58 | lcuk | then i dunno |
| 23:51.31 | Jinux | ivd done it again to make sure |
| 23:51.36 | Jinux | lemme try updating |
| 23:52.08 | Jinux | fail |
| 23:52.13 | lcuk | it might just be external sources |
| 23:52.16 | Jinux | ive got an idea |
| 23:52.29 | Jinux | nah my mate updated |
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| 23:52.34 | Jinux | brb a sec |
| 23:52.55 | joga | (he uses the same update server?) |
| 23:53.14 | joga | or, well, repository |
| 23:53.15 | joga | :) |
| 23:53.19 | Jinux | yeah |
| 23:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | Jinux: usually things like checksum errors are a quite commen borked repository |
| 23:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | try again in 60 minutes |
| 23:53.43 | Jinux | mmm i would think so |
| 23:53.56 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, oh that tiny black area |
| 23:53.59 | joga | yeah most of such problems I've had with desktop systems have gone away without action |
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| 23:54.22 | joga | espeak is fun |
| 23:55.00 | pupnik | got espeak running with irssi yet? |
| 23:55.11 | Jinux | surely it must be checking the hash against sm though? |
| 23:55.21 | joga | hmm, does setting the volume of pulseaudio with alsamixer affect anything that has its volume controlled with the volume buttons |
| 23:55.31 | Jinux | cant i get rid of that and then itll work? |
| 23:55.37 | joga | pupnik: heh, I've had that once, not on n900 though ;) |
| 23:56.06 | pupnik | id rather avoid having a big honkin perl module |
| 23:56.29 | pupnik | even a notification bell would suffice |
| 23:57.01 | joga | pupnik: the way I once did it for fun was way more hacky, I logged private messages in my irc shell, then I think I tailed them over ssh to a synth |
| 23:57.49 | joga | but it would be convenient to be able to say /speechon or such and it would read the current channel aloud and so on |
| 23:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: xchat has notification - even since before that notifier bells&whistles bloat crept in |
| 23:57.59 | pupnik | i did it similarly for another client |
| 23:58.04 | joga | well, convenient maybe, fun for sure |
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