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| 00:09.07 | njsf_ | re Hi all |
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| 00:14.54 | shinkamui | doods |
| 00:14.58 | shinkamui | I have extras-devel |
| 00:15.01 | shinkamui | but I don't see picodrive |
| 00:15.04 | shinkamui | am I losing my mind |
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| 00:15.12 | shinkamui | or did I just eat too many eggs this morning |
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| 00:15.58 | njsf_ | I never saw picodrive in HAM and I have extras-devel |
| 00:16.08 | njsf_ | then again I never looked for it |
| 00:16.25 | pupnik | 01:15 < IranianDoctor> I don't want this ugly food |
| 00:16.29 | njsf_ | maybe it is not in user category therefore it only installable from apt-get? |
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| 00:28.40 | corecode | ah, 4.1 |
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| 00:51.26 | Texrat | hey hey |
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| 00:51.31 | Texrat | hi mikkov |
| 00:51.41 | Texrat | hey is Pupnik on? |
| 00:52.06 | Texrat | wake upnik pupnik |
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| 00:53.00 | pupnik | huhu |
| 00:53.07 | pupnik | hi Texrat |
| 00:53.14 | Texrat | ha! |
| 00:53.20 | Texrat | man am I glad I caught you |
| 00:53.28 | Texrat | open a separate channel |
| 00:53.36 | pupnik | that is rare to hear |
| 00:53.39 | Texrat | dude |
| 00:53.45 | Texrat | I am always glad to catch you |
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| 00:53.59 | pupnik | texr |
| 00:54.08 | Texrat | you're one of my buds... no Amsterdam pun intended |
| 00:54.17 | pupnik | #texr |
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| 01:16.18 | Texrat | vote for javispedro! |
| 01:16.30 | javispedro | heh |
| 01:16.34 | Texrat | or else! |
| 01:17.03 | javispedro | there's now quite an interesting set of candidates |
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| 01:17.23 | Texrat | agreed |
| 01:17.31 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 01:17.35 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 01:17.41 | RST38h | javis: where is the list btw? |
| 01:18.00 | javispedro | looks up |
| 01:18.12 | javispedro | tmo link: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=569272&postcount=83 |
| 01:18.37 | RST38h | thanks |
| 01:18.45 | javispedro | somewhat outdated already, since GAN and attila77 accepted |
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| 01:19.46 | javispedro | btw. the other day I noticed that the omap dispc scaler works on the n900. the system is using it for the camera app/media player and tv out. |
| 01:20.09 | javispedro | i wonder why we're not using it |
| 01:20.37 | javispedro | there's a free overlay and fb device as long as you don't use both tv out and media |
| 01:20.58 | javispedro | should write some snes test some day |
| 01:21.11 | RST38h | but how does one use it? |
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| 01:21.32 | javispedro | through some sysfs files, then /dev/fb* ioctls |
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| 01:22.19 | RST38h | javis: any examples? =) |
| 01:22.25 | javispedro | the sysfs files are on /sys/devices/platform/omapdss |
| 01:22.30 | Texrat | bailing guys, later |
| 01:22.34 | javispedro | hehe |
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| 01:22.37 | javispedro | cya Texrat |
| 01:23.00 | javispedro | RST38h: no code, I was just pondering that there must be a reason nobody is using nor has suggested it, ever... |
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| 01:23.45 | RST38h | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/arm/OMAP/DSS |
| 01:23.49 | RST38h | salivates |
| 01:24.07 | javispedro | yeah, hehe |
| 01:24.21 | javispedro | btw if you want to see the scaler in action |
| 01:24.24 | javispedro | just open the camera app |
| 01:24.27 | javispedro | and as root |
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| 01:24.43 | javispedro | echo 400,450 > /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay1/output_size |
| 01:24.58 | javispedro | (it will halve the camera overlay width) |
| 01:25.40 | RST38h | maybe I should play with this. |
| 01:25.53 | javispedro | I have no time this week, so please do :) |
| 01:25.59 | RST38h | Already using the fb, this should be easy to add |
| 01:26.05 | javispedro | yep |
| 01:26.12 | RST38h | neither do I, flying back to Moscow on Thursday |
| 01:26.13 | pupnik | yaay picodrive! |
| 01:26.21 | pupnik | :) |
| 01:26.32 | pupnik | was it confusing? |
| 01:27.00 | javispedro | pupnik: yeah, I've been looking at the code. happy to see drnoksnes gui being used by three projects now =) |
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| 01:27.37 | javispedro | pupnik: btw seen the above I was discussing? there IS a hw scaler in the n900, actually, THREE of them. |
| 01:27.38 | RST38h | pupnik: You finally decided to polish picodrive? =) |
| 01:28.04 | lcuk | javispedro, isnt the camera using yuv |
| 01:28.12 | javispedro | lcuk: yes, but it works with rgb surfaces too |
| 01:28.32 | javispedro | lcuk: I tried by redirecting the system fb to an scaled overlay, and it worked |
| 01:28.32 | lcuk | neato - so can the same work on the desktop |
| 01:28.40 | javispedro | yes, I tried that exactly |
| 01:28.52 | lcuk | thats a decent test then :) |
| 01:28.56 | lcuk | nice find |
| 01:29.01 | javispedro | it's longer to type on IRC ;) |
| 01:29.23 | javispedro | the interesting part is to create an extra fb and resize that instead of the whole desktop, |
| 01:29.27 | javispedro | and you get something very nice |
| 01:29.33 | lcuk | of course |
| 01:29.38 | pupnik | isnt that awesome? |
| 01:29.42 | pupnik | i am planting trees RST38h |
| 01:29.48 | lcuk | anyway, sleep for me \o |
| 01:29.52 | javispedro | gnite lcuk |
| 01:30.52 | pupnik | cu |
| 01:31.21 | RST38h | pupnik:better thing to do than a lot others... |
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| 01:31.37 | RST38h | javispedro: I am not sure how you are supposed to create extra fbs |
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| 01:32.19 | javispedro | RST38h: it's not actually creating an extra one (you have 3 already), but setting up for example the third one with a custom res |
| 01:32.32 | javispedro | there's a small cmd line utility for that even, fbctl iirc |
| 01:32.51 | bcgrown | dumb question... I want to run Maemo on my PC using QEMU, but Nokia wants me to enter my serial # to download and I don't have a device yet. Is it only licensed for Nx0 owners? |
| 01:32.51 | javispedro | fbset |
| 01:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | mhm. 34h with wlan, SIP, pop3, plus 2h with UMTS and IRC, maybe 2h of screen bright. Bat down to 19% |
| 01:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | aah, plus a 15min call |
| 01:33.55 | RST38h | javispedro: a corollary appears to be the ability to have different lcd and tv displays |
| 01:34.14 | javispedro | RST38h: and, interesting too, to be able to control the tv out resolution (think snes on tv.... which currently sucks a bit) |
| 01:35.17 | javispedro | well the actual out resolution is hardcoded of course, but how the system scales the 800x480 surface to that res |
| 01:35.35 | javispedro | is not. |
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| 01:35.59 | RST38h | javispedro: I have to try this |
| 01:36.20 | RST38h | javispedro: this is gonna be a huge boost in performance |
| 01:36.21 | javispedro | I suggest playing with how the "state" of the dispc varies when enabling the camera app, and the tvout |
| 01:36.37 | RST38h | javispedro: I can play with it when running the same vgba |
| 01:37.11 | javispedro | yeah, good idea |
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| 01:37.27 | javispedro | you might want to build fbset from debian -- trivial |
| 01:37.46 | javispedro | (through all fbset does is ioctls, so no actual need though) |
| 01:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | is more than happy with 36+h of bat live for that usage pattern |
| 01:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~hug N900 |
| 01:38.04 | infobot | ACTION hugs N900 |
| 01:39.10 | RST38h | -sh: cannot create input_size: Permission denied |
| 01:39.14 | javispedro | root |
| 01:39.16 | RST38h | javispedro: sorry, did not work |
| 01:39.21 | RST38h | Yes, I am root |
| 01:39.24 | javispedro | it's output_size, not input |
| 01:39.31 | javispedro | input is just a a=r file |
| 01:40.06 | RST38h | -sh: cannot create /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay0/input_size: Permission denied |
| 01:40.17 | javispedro | overlay1/output_size |
| 01:41.38 | javispedro | overlay0 can't be resized -- I think that's because it's the "base" one; the other two can. |
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| 01:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | hax0rs, what you are doin there? |
| 01:41.51 | RST38h | whatever I write to overlay0/output_size, kills the picture until I set it back |
| 01:41.57 | RST38h | overlay1 is the camera |
| 01:42.04 | javispedro | RST38h: yep |
| 01:42.41 | javispedro | RST38h: if you want to resize the entire desktop, the way I did is: a) change fb0 to point to overlay1 b) resize overlay1 |
| 01:42.54 | RST38h | oh |
| 01:42.55 | javispedro | resizing the camera is much easier since it's already on overlay1 |
| 01:43.04 | RST38h | and how do I change the fb0? |
| 01:43.38 | javispedro | echo 1 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/overlays |
| 01:44.15 | javispedro | wait, it's in use by fb1 |
| 01:44.33 | javispedro | echo "" > ....... fb1/overlays |
| 01:44.40 | javispedro | then echo 1 > .... fb0/overlays |
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| 01:45.03 | javispedro | screen goes black.. |
| 01:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | freaky |
| 01:45.32 | javispedro | so echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay1/enabled |
| 01:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | don't touch that red button! ;-P |
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| 01:45.46 | javispedro | and the desktop appears :) |
| 01:46.00 | javispedro | at a weird resolution (scaler already doing its work) |
| 01:46.10 | RST38h | javispedro <== screwed things up really hard now |
| 01:46.24 | RST38h | maybe I should just open fb1 instead? |
| 01:47.06 | javispedro | the overlay0 is in front |
| 01:47.33 | javispedro | so you'll have to make a quick app to fill the screen with the transparent color |
| 01:47.42 | javispedro | (or disable it) |
| 01:47.50 | javispedro | (thus getting in the same situation as me hehe) |
| 01:48.08 | njsf_ | re |
| 01:48.44 | javispedro | s/screen/fb0 |
| 01:49.01 | RST38h | is fb1 still in the 16bit rgb format? |
| 01:49.33 | javispedro | I think you can configure that (There has to be a way to set it up for yuv) |
| 01:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's like 5/6/5 what I get on TV |
| 01:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | s/TV/AV-composite out |
| 01:52.12 | javispedro | time to test if a reboot gets things back to normal |
| 01:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, if not you're in real trouble :-P |
| 01:53.09 | javispedro | I have ssh :) |
| 01:53.12 | johnx | Would certainly make for a good virus payload in that case :) |
| 01:54.03 | javispedro | "send $XXX via western union to NNN if you want to get the 400 top lines of your n900's lcd back?" =) |
| 01:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 01:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | nimrod? |
| 01:54.59 | javispedro | back to normal after reboot |
| 01:55.16 | javispedro | ... including camera app |
| 01:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | so you haven't managed to exploit N900's secret persistent storage |
| 01:55.57 | javispedro | I know, I know :) |
| 01:56.17 | javispedro | but you can never be too sure :) |
| 01:56.23 | RST38h | sighs |
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| 02:13.39 | javispedro | seems that the system doesn't use /dev/fb2 even when there are two xv apps active |
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| 02:29.46 | RST38h | probably uses it for the front camera |
| 02:33.20 | pupnik | i imagined a laptop with flatscreen in 1988. i couldnt imagine a N900 |
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| 02:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | nah, n900 alike gadget was my dream of 1975 |
| 02:50.37 | johnx | maybe I'm totally strange, but I still prefer a Zaurus SL-5500 (or similar) form factor |
| 02:53.01 | pupnik | looks too 90s |
| 02:53.09 | pupnik | too practical :) |
| 02:54.05 | pupnik | pretty farsighted DocScrutinizer ! |
| 02:54.11 | johnx | yeah, way to easy to hold or even type one-handed, or to control without looking |
| 02:54.51 | johnx | of course, if you rounded it off and lopped off the d-pad and surrounding buttons you'd have something kind of like a palm pre |
| 02:55.10 | johnx | I still really like devices with full-sized SD card slots though |
| 02:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I admit I only thought of a combination of a CB-walkietalkie with a PDA. There were not even LCDs back when |
| 02:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | at least no devent ones |
| 02:58.21 | pupnik | johnx: i am thinking of a device... ;) |
| 02:58.48 | pupnik | lol. the second ladybug walked up to drink some of the beer puddle |
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| 03:46.59 | ds3 | sigh... they don't provide the N900 style micro USB to old style charger adapters in the box :( |
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| 03:51.22 | johnx | really? interesting. I think they did with the 300 they loaned out .. |
| 03:51.39 | ds3 | not in my factory fresh box |
| 03:51.59 | johnx | bummer |
| 03:52.06 | ds3 | it did come with a microUSB to USB A cable which I assume would let me charge off a cigarette lighter to USB power adapter |
| 03:52.55 | johnx | as long as that charger "does the right thing" in regard to putting a resistance across the data pins of the usb plug |
| 03:53.11 | ds3 | Oh? |
| 03:53.25 | ds3 | that is not good |
| 03:53.31 | johnx | the good news is that I *think* the iPhone has the same requirement |
| 03:53.38 | johnx | it's part of the USB charging spec |
| 03:53.53 | ds3 | so it does away with the whole enumerate for 500mA thing? |
| 03:54.24 | johnx | errr, if it actually gets a real response on the other side, yes, it does the right thing |
| 03:54.45 | johnx | if you just run 5V down the usb power lines it will not be happy |
| 03:55.00 | ds3 | Hmmm I wonder if the el cheap car stereo USB jack will work then |
| 03:55.10 | ds3 | that thing will enumerate mass storage |
| 03:55.33 | johnx | (!) then, yes. I think it's fine |
| 03:55.48 | johnx | the rule of thumb is: Does it work with the iPhone? if yes: you're all set |
| 03:56.11 | ds3 | donno, never tried it |
| 03:56.16 | ds3 | how do I know it is not happy? |
| 03:56.40 | johnx | if it doesn't charge :) |
| 03:56.53 | ds3 | as in the battery icon don't animate? |
| 03:57.17 | johnx | yeah |
| 03:57.38 | johnx | someone had more solid info than me on talk.m.o |
| 03:57.47 | johnx | I'm just repeating what I've heard |
| 03:58.04 | ds3 | the talk.m.o postings seems to be all over the place... apparently one of the official adapters melted |
| 03:58.23 | johnx | fun |
| 03:58.38 | johnx | also, sometimes the usb socket on the N900 can come loose and fall out under normal usage |
| 03:59.05 | ds3 | saw those posts |
| 03:59.26 | johnx | happened to rm_you as well |
| 03:59.32 | ds3 | i really wish they didn't go microusb; that seems to be the entire crux of all my complaints |
| 03:59.40 | ds3 | was rm_you's a preproduction? |
| 03:59.57 | johnx | yeah |
| 04:00.19 | johnx | Did someone actually find a qualitative hardware difference between the pre-prod and the production N900s? |
| 04:00.32 | ds3 | I noticed the pictures from earlier today shows the plastic pins sheared off |
| 04:00.48 | ds3 | some guy posted saying there might be a difference |
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| 04:01.13 | johnx | It was so close to the release of final hardware I just can't imagine it being different |
| 04:01.50 | ds3 | that's one of the reasons i favor through hole connectors |
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| 04:02.35 | johnx | because they stay attached to the *&$%ing device instead of falling out in normal usage? Yeah, I've heard other people say that... :) |
| 04:02.55 | ds3 | solder is not a mechanical connection... it is electrical |
| 04:03.28 | ds3 | so that means you are relying on 2 pins (plastic) and the glue on the copper to hold it in place against something that has a 2-3inch long lever prying it up |
| 04:03.30 | johnx | if they want the mechanical equivalent I think it's welding. That'd hold the connector in their nice n' tight |
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| 04:05.06 | ds3 | nothing to weld to based on the pictures |
| 04:05.17 | ds3 | prehaps a screwthrough theboard with a nut |
| 04:05.27 | johnx | well that's the other problem: case isn't made of stainless steel :> |
| 04:05.43 | johnx | if the thing looks like a brick it might as well weigh like one |
| 04:05.55 | ds3 | make it out of titanium ;) |
| 04:06.20 | ds3 | the way the jack is, there isn't too much in the way of resistance to upward forces besides the glue on the copper foil |
| 04:06.24 | johnx | though I think both of our choices might cause signal interference ... |
| 04:06.30 | ds3 | yep |
| 04:06.41 | ds3 | that thing is a RF nightmare with all the radios |
| 04:06.53 | johnx | so I'd settle for a steel slide-out system board tray |
| 04:07.37 | johnx | but yeah |
| 04:07.40 | ds3 | well, plastic isn't too bad...the collie was reasonably rugged |
| 04:08.10 | johnx | when taken to the beach it *is* susceptible to getting sand under the touchscreen |
| 04:08.14 | johnx | that's about the only fault |
| 04:08.22 | johnx | shame it never had proper support in 2.6 |
| 04:09.16 | ds3 | what was the issue with 2.6 on collie? |
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| 04:10.09 | johnx | it was never finished. kinda flaky SD support, no sound, no touch screen, no APM (AFAIK) |
| 04:10.11 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, it's just as well, the old-style adaptor is slow and prone to heating up. |
| 04:10.47 | johnx | though it's a good source for parts if you want to make your own 5V -> micro-usb charger ;) |
| 04:11.11 | ds3 | GA: I wanted a mobile charger |
| 04:11.35 | GeneralAntilles | Get a new Nokia one? |
| 04:11.42 | ds3 | from johnx's notes about having to do something with the dataline, I can't even use my aux battery |
| 04:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | 3rd party ones have a tendency to mess up the FM transmitter |
| 04:11.57 | ds3 | which is the right one? there are reports of the N95 version melting? |
| 04:12.08 | GeneralAntilles | DC-10, I think. |
| 04:12.18 | GeneralAntilles | No, maybe not. |
| 04:12.29 | johnx | I think a resistor of the right size across the data lines is the right thing |
| 04:12.31 | johnx | easy enough |
| 04:12.39 | GeneralAntilles | DC-6? |
| 04:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 04:13.13 | johnx | http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/n900-charging-from-dumb-charger/ |
| 04:13.59 | ds3 | nothing on amazon |
| 04:14.36 | ds3 | I don't want the 12V adapter, I want the old style to microusb adapter so I can use my aux batteries |
| 04:17.37 | ds3 | any P/N's for the adapter cable? |
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| 04:18.04 | johnx | one sec |
| 04:18.51 | ds3 | thanks for the link... I'll probally build one when I get time... it'll be a secondary route |
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| 04:19.28 | johnx | CA-146C |
| 04:20.33 | ds3 | thanks... the amazon hit looks right |
| 04:21.25 | johnx | actually it's quite neat because it supports the old-old Nokia charger which happens to be a similar size to a lot of other 5V chargers I had lying about |
| 04:21.33 | johnx | not the same size as the zaurus/psp charger though |
| 04:22.22 | ds3 | from an initial feel of it, I think the clam shell Z's felt better |
| 04:22.35 | ds3 | the charge plug definitely gets in the way of hold it |
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| 04:38.16 | ZenoArrow | Hi all. Was wondering if somebody could help me, I'd like to install man pages on my N900, what package will I need? Only advice I've found by searching is regarding installing man pages on Scratchbox, and some assurances it was possible in earlier versions of Maemo. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! : ) |
| 04:40.10 | johnx | you may be out of luck in terms of a ready-to-go package |
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| 04:41.59 | ZenoArrow | thats fine johnx, what steps could I take? |
| 04:42.29 | johnx | how comfortable are you with hacking around in linux? (also, how much effort do you want to spend?) |
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| 04:44.01 | johnx | if you're fairly comfortable, I would just go over to debian and find the source package for their man package and try and get it to put itself together in scratchbox |
| 04:44.08 | ZenoArrow | I've got an okay grasp of the command line and I don't mind learning new stuff. What are you thinking? : ) |
| 04:44.34 | ZenoArrow | Okay, could try that |
| 04:44.56 | johnx | you'll want to optify it so it doesn't soak up the rest of the space on your / partition |
| 04:45.31 | ds3 | why bother with a package? |
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| 04:45.41 | Trigger | ello |
| 04:45.42 | johnx | yeah, that's the other option :) |
| 04:45.45 | ds3 | they are just nroff pages...copy them over; get a copy of groff installed and be done with |
| 04:46.21 | johnx | hmmm. man is just a frontend for groff and $PAGER, huh? |
| 04:46.26 | ds3 | yep |
| 04:46.33 | johnx | haven't really thought about that before |
| 04:46.47 | ds3 | let me see if I canfind my old sources for my own man |
| 04:47.00 | ZenoArrow | Cool, thanks ds3! : ) |
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| 04:47.15 | Trigger | anyone have any tutorials for programming for maemo? |
| 04:47.34 | ds3 | groff -Tandoc foo.1 | less -si |
| 04:47.47 | ds3 | I think that's the call... couldn't find my sources |
| 04:47.48 | johnx | you'll need to package less |
| 04:47.49 | johnx | ducks |
| 04:48.01 | ds3 | what?! busybox didn't include less? |
| 04:48.08 | ds3 | fine. use more :P |
| 04:48.09 | johnx | well it has more ... |
| 04:48.19 | ZenoArrow | Trigger, Maemo is Linux based, as long as you're familiar with a programming language, you'd be better off learning about Qt. |
| 04:48.38 | johnx | the other option is just copy some pre-html'ified man pages |
| 04:48.42 | johnx | and use the browser |
| 04:48.44 | Trigger | To be honest I'm completely new to programming altogether. |
| 04:49.10 | johnx | Trigger, Have you asked google for "tutorial maemo programming" already and are looking for something more basic? |
| 04:49.11 | Trigger | I have learned some of the basic of java thats about it. I was kinda hoping to try a different language to contrast with java. |
| 04:49.14 | ZenoArrow | Start learning some Ruby or Python then. : ) |
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| 04:49.20 | johnx | if it was me I'd suggest python+qt |
| 04:49.30 | ds3 | if it uses inetd, you can shell script a man page to HTML converter in shell script |
| 04:49.33 | johnx | it's very quick to get some results up without a ton of work |
| 04:50.15 | johnx | anyways, time for me to pass out. haven't caught up from daylight "savings" time switch yet. 'night all |
| 04:50.25 | Trigger | i was actually looking for something more along the lines of syntax information |
| 04:50.47 | johnx | like, for which language? |
| 04:50.59 | johnx | C, C++, Python? |
| 04:51.21 | ZenoArrow | Cool, I'm going to investigate alternative ways to get man pages on the N900. TBH, I'd be happier installing it because it's quicker to type man [command] in an X terminal, but there you go! Is this not going to be of use to me? wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/man-db |
| 04:51.31 | Trigger | any really to be honest I understand how java works, what a java compiler is and does and why what is needed in java is needed so to speak |
| 04:51.52 | Trigger | however, when it comes to the maemo os its hard for me to even try and find out where to begin. |
| 04:52.12 | johnx | Trigger, Maemo is Linux |
| 04:52.20 | ZenoArrow | Trigger, what you need to understand is that there isn't syntax specific to Maemo, you want to learn about Linux. |
| 04:52.32 | johnx | Devices that run Maemo Linux tend to have small screens and run off batteries, so you need to take that into consideration |
| 04:53.12 | ZenoArrow | If you use Qt the smaller screen is easy enough to handle though right? |
| 04:53.59 | johnx | yup. I'm just saying it's more *similar* to desktop linux than *different* |
| 04:54.07 | ZenoArrow | Trigger, you'd be better off getting yourself a decent book on programming. I'm currrently working through C++ Primer Plus (5th Edition), highly recommended, you can get it from Amazon if you're interested. |
| 04:54.09 | johnx | The most popular languages used for Maemo programming are: C (with GTK), C++ (with QT), Python (with QT or GTK), and maybe Vala (with GTK and/or ???) |
| 04:54.40 | Trigger | how similar/different would programming in those languages be to developing for the windows enviroment? |
| 04:54.55 | johnx | ZenoArrow, that might do the trick (WRT man-db), but you'll need groff as a dependency and you'll probably want a more comfortable $PAGER than busybox more |
| 04:55.01 | johnx | so you'll need to get less setup |
| 04:55.22 | ZenoArrow | Thanks for the advice johnx, I'll look into it. : ) |
| 04:55.39 | johnx | Trigger, Qt with python or C++ might not be toooo different |
| 04:56.13 | johnx | if you have a windows box, get yourself setup with vmware player (or virtualbox) and a recent version of linux to work in |
| 04:56.15 | ZenoArrow | I wouldn't advise Trigger to start off with Qt though, bit out of his league by the sounds of it, console apps to start with. |
| 04:56.18 | johnx | should make things much simpler |
| 04:57.27 | Trigger | I am open to any suggestions. My biggest problem is usually just finding a starting point. Not gunna deny an obvious lack of experience all around with linux (something I am dying to change >.<) |
| 04:57.28 | johnx | ZenoArrow, Qt designer goes a long way towards dumbing things down enough that even I managed to paint some widgets on the screen ;) But I agree in general |
| 04:57.46 | ZenoArrow | Trigger, download Qt Creator (it's cross-platform, chances are it's available for you to use), it's a great IDE, I use it myself. You'll still need the programming knowledge though, so get reading up on a language! : ) |
| 04:58.21 | ZenoArrow | johnx, Qt Designer might help in designing the UI but you still have to understand the hooks. : ) |
| 04:59.17 | johnx | Trigger, I think ZenoArrow and I concur that Python is a nice way to get up to speed quickly without getting too bogged down in syntax |
| 04:59.40 | ZenoArrow | I prefer Ruby, but yeah, Python is a decent way to start. : ) |
| 04:59.54 | Trigger | Sure I can try that. so python and qt creator? |
| 05:00.18 | Trigger | Would it be benefical to goahead and reload ubuntu to my laptop? or could this be developed from windows? |
| 05:00.19 | johnx | yeah, but start with just python |
| 05:01.10 | johnx | python shouldn't behave *too* differently on windows and linux as long as you're not doing something that really exposes the differences like ... *shrugs* doing low-level file I/O or low-level networking |
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| 05:01.18 | johnx | not much windows experience here though. heh. |
| 05:01.24 | ZenoArrow | Yes, please just start with Python, you can use Qt Creator as your IDE if you wish, though it would be overkill, you'll just need a decent syntax-highlighting text editor. |
| 05:01.49 | ZenoArrow | If you're running Windows I'd say Notepad++ is a better option. |
| 05:02.11 | Trigger | notepad++ is fine by me. |
| 05:02.19 | johnx | in the medium to longer term it might be worth putting ubuntu back on your laptop when you want to start bringing your program to Maemo |
| 05:02.26 | johnx | but another good option is virtualbox/vmware player |
| 05:02.36 | johnx | anyways, really need to sleep now :) |
| 05:02.37 | ZenoArrow | You'll need a Python tutorial too, I'll see if I can find you a decent one, BRB... |
| 05:02.37 | johnx | good luck |
| 05:02.53 | ZenoArrow | good night johnx, thanks for your help earlier. : ) |
| 05:03.31 | Trigger | if I ever get tax return.. I'll go ahead and delete windows 7 from my laptop altogether and dual boot on the new computer, my laptop will just be a linux box. |
| 05:04.46 | ZenoArrow | Trigger, I would recommend keeping Windows around, Linux still has a slight learning curve, doesn't hurt to keep a more familiar environment installed, even just for backup or running games. : ) |
| 05:05.08 | Trigger | Eh. I actually won't say I am *great* with linux |
| 05:05.38 | Trigger | but, when my comp got a virus I had the idea to boot linux and was able to recover all important data from the linux partition. |
| 05:05.51 | Trigger | which wasn't bad for my first time using linux |
| 05:05.59 | ZenoArrow | Back with Python tutorials, I find videos are the most comfortable place to start (I just started learning Lisp from video tutorials on the weekend). Here's a introductory Python one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC5GeZIOZaU |
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| 05:06.30 | Trigger | many thanks for that. |
| 05:07.10 | ZenoArrow | Trigger, that's cool mate, I'm not knocking your Linux skills exactly, all I'm saying is errors happen to everybody, and it's good to have a backup OS, just like you found when you recovered the files from your Windows partition. : ) |
| 05:07.17 | Trigger | and I would still have windows on the desktop (gaming is part of the reason I am buying it) but, my laptop would be for linux/school purposes. I have noticed everything I need to do for school can be done on linux. |
| 05:07.47 | Trigger | eh. From my limited experience with linux.. I have had less problems with its os than windows XD |
| 05:08.38 | Trigger | for several months it was my only means of using my computer.. I wish I woulda known about msdnaa sooner tought >.<; |
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| 05:08.57 | ZenoArrow | That's cool, glad you have, I'm quite the opposite, Windows feels fairly comfortable but I've had enough problems with Linux throughout the years to keep me entertained, ever used ndiswrapper for example? ; ) |
| 05:09.30 | Trigger | can't say I have although gparted has given me the run around XD |
| 05:10.33 | Trigger | and don't get me wrong I'm comfortable on windows. But, if I get rid of it on my laptop, it creates a "learn or die" atmosphere.. which is pretty good for keeping me from going "ok bored time for windows" |
| 05:10.52 | ZenoArrow | Gparted is one of my favourite tools. Ndiswrapper was/is a real git to get working properly, it's for using Windows WiFi drivers in Linux, which until fairly recently was a common thing to need. |
| 05:11.23 | ZenoArrow | Yeah, forces you to learn if you get rid of Windows, good point. : ) |
| 05:11.56 | Trigger | I'm a ferm believer linux is the future. |
| 05:12.04 | Trigger | *firm |
| 05:12.20 | Trigger | whether short term or long. Might as well get use to it now. |
| 05:12.43 | ZenoArrow | Funnily enough I was thinking tonight about what system I should dual boot with XP on my laptop, I've got a broken Slackware install on it now, still thinking about my options. |
| 05:12.46 | Trigger | not sayings it perfect by anymeans but, its a very fascinating topic as a whole. |
| 05:13.22 | ZenoArrow | Personally I'm waiting for the day that Haiku OS is more stable, I can really see that being a strong competitor to Linux on the desktop. |
| 05:13.55 | Trigger | lol. if i had more space I would be happy to have ubuntu dual booting right now on my laptop, but, its only 100 gigs.. so with half of the hdd already being used.. i don't want to take away any more space. |
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| 05:14.36 | Trigger | I personally think its a good thing there is competition in general. Although I must admit it does astound me how people only see 'apple' and 'windows' in the world |
| 05:14.41 | ZenoArrow | Ah, might have some advice for you there buddy, regarding partitions... |
| 05:14.53 | Trigger | I'm open |
| 05:18.27 | ZenoArrow | This is what I think is the ideal partition set up for a dual boot machine (order doesn't matter): operating system 1, operating system 2, linux swap (if applicable), data. Keep the operating system partitions to roughly 10GB each (depending on how many apps you think you'll install), usual rules for linux swap size, and have the rest as a data partition. Important not to map your home... |
| 05:18.29 | ZenoArrow | ...partions to your data partitions, but you can set up symlinks so that it works like a home partition. If you wanted Windows + Linux your data partition should be NTFS. Does this plan make sense to you, or would you like some further detail? |
| 05:19.51 | Trigger | Hm. to be honest the first problem I see (correct me if i'm misunderstanding) is even if win 7 fits on a 10 gig partition.. that leaves no room for expansion. |
| 05:20.04 | Trigger | i mean I'm using up nearly 40 gigs for win 7 alone |
| 05:20.08 | Trigger | no games in stalled |
| 05:20.14 | Trigger | besides guildwars |
| 05:20.32 | Trigger | its a pretty fresh instal actually less than a week |
| 05:20.41 | ZenoArrow | Haha, yeah, I suppose I was treating Windows as XP. Well, how big is your Windows folder? Without installed games and apps? |
| 05:20.54 | Trigger | actually let me check |
| 05:21.03 | ZenoArrow | Okay |
| 05:21.22 | Trigger | 5 gigs and climbing! |
| 05:21.48 | Trigger | 7.86 gigs |
| 05:22.47 | ZenoArrow | 7.68 gigs and climbing, so 10 gigs is fine then. : ) The only thing you really need to leave space for is service packs/updates, you can install your games and apps to the data partition you'd be sharing with Linux. : ) |
| 05:23.40 | Trigger | welllll i just figured out where all the data is being whored |
| 05:23.44 | Trigger | "windows.old" folder |
| 05:23.59 | ZenoArrow | windows.old folder?? |
| 05:24.07 | ZenoArrow | What's in there? |
| 05:24.12 | Trigger | that is 35 gigs by itself |
| 05:24.39 | Trigger | it looks like everything from before i reinstalls win 7 |
| 05:24.57 | ZenoArrow | Did you upgrade it from Vista? |
| 05:25.41 | Trigger | yes and no. |
| 05:25.44 | Trigger | I had vista |
| 05:25.51 | Trigger | but, I did a fresh install and wiped vista. |
| 05:26.05 | Trigger | and then last week i reinstalled again. |
| 05:26.10 | ZenoArrow | Seems like it's still there to me ha! : ) |
| 05:26.21 | Trigger | windows lies!!! |
| 05:26.28 | Trigger | "warning this will erase everything!!!" |
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| 05:26.43 | Trigger | =/= "will put everything saved into a folder called windows.old |
| 05:26.53 | ZenoArrow | Hahaha! |
| 05:27.16 | ZenoArrow | Maybe it's time to break out you're favourite tool (gparted) and do the job properly! ; ) |
| 05:27.39 | ZenoArrow | Could do a lot with 35 gigs. : ) |
| 05:27.45 | Trigger | first thing is first. Saving plants vs zombies! |
| 05:27.52 | ZenoArrow | ??? |
| 05:28.12 | Trigger | its a game I thought I deleted and then later regretted |
| 05:28.20 | Trigger | i thought i lost all my save data for it XD |
| 05:28.43 | ZenoArrow | Every cloud has a silver lining. : ) |
| 05:29.15 | ZenoArrow | What laptop you running there Trigger? |
| 05:29.25 | Trigger | this silver lining is getting 35 gigs of free space XD |
| 05:29.31 | Trigger | hp nc8430 |
| 05:30.21 | Trigger | cost me a pretty penny back in the day. |
| 05:31.08 | ZenoArrow | Just had a look at it on tinternet, nice one, I've got a Thinkpad T61 here, bit of an older model but I really like it. : ) |
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| 05:31.58 | Trigger | When I got mine it was highly recommended. I ended up paying liek 2600$ for it hard to believe it but, it was like 3 years ago.. closer to 4 maybe. |
| 05:33.24 | Trigger | Then again, at the time it could play any game I wanted to and had I played my cards right I'd be out of school.. But, I didn't. so I'll be getting a desktop to replace it as my "power toy". it will be for getting more hands on with linux. |
| 05:33.27 | ZenoArrow | I have no idea how much $2600 would be equivalent too in my currency, but does sound like a lot. : ) Has yours got the pointing stick in the keyboard? |
| 05:33.38 | Trigger | and the touchpad |
| 05:33.45 | Trigger | where are you from? |
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| 05:34.36 | ZenoArrow | From the UK. I really should be in bed right now, it's 5:30am and I've got work in a few hours! What do you find you use more, the touchpad or the pointing stick? |
| 05:34.49 | Trigger | touchpad honestly. |
| 05:35.16 | ZenoArrow | Same here, though I do notice when I use other people's laptops that I miss the pointing stick. : ) |
| 05:35.34 | Trigger | I know what you mean. |
| 05:36.01 | Trigger | then again i miss using a mouse. Not that I don't have one.. its just if I have the touch pad option it seems odd to reach further for the mouse. |
| 05:36.04 | ZenoArrow | Where you from Trigger? US? Canada? |
| 05:36.12 | Trigger | United states |
| 05:36.28 | ZenoArrow | Cool, which part? |
| 05:36.38 | Trigger | The uneducated part! louisiana |
| 05:37.53 | ZenoArrow | To be honest I only really miss having a mouse when it comes to gaming, downloaded Starcraft 1 a few months back (yep, took me that long to try it out!), and the frustrating part was the control felt awkward without a mouse. |
| 05:38.21 | Trigger | lol. I love my mx revolution. |
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| 05:39.19 | Trigger | but, then again I'm about ready for a new comp altogether. My laptop is still great.. but, its only got 2 gigs..of ram which is great for general use.. but, for anything remotely more intense.. it may not "lag" but, the performance degrades enough to bug me. |
| 05:39.29 | GeneralAntilles | Trigger, too bad Logitech killed the newer version. |
| 05:39.47 | Trigger | mine is the older. whats wrong with newer? |
| 05:39.47 | ZenoArrow | Louisiana, don't know enough about it, but I'm sure it's fine. : ) Here's something you might be interested in, I was reading it earlier tonight... http://unix.t-a-y-l-o-r.com/index.html |
| 05:40.31 | ZenoArrow | Anyways, off to bed, see y'all. : ) |
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| 05:40.50 | Trigger | Zeno louisiana is a pretty corrupt state politically, and most people get a degree and leave the state lol. |
| 05:40.56 | Trigger | well nm lol |
| 05:41.46 | Trigger | anyway what happened with the new mx? |
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| 06:19.26 | FIQ | hm |
| 06:19.39 | FIQ | i seems to have 15M free in rootfs |
| 06:19.46 | FIQ | is that bad? |
| 06:19.48 | Stskeeps | better than zero |
| 06:21.55 | FIQ | hm, apt-cget clean maked 15M free |
| 06:22.18 | FIQ | -c |
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| 06:35.02 | naknomik | Just getting started with N900! Downloaded firefox. Is it possible to make it default browser? |
| 06:35.31 | dmj7261 | I think there's an app called browser switchboard |
| 06:36.57 | naknomik | dmj7261: I don't find it in the app manager |
| 06:37.20 | dmj7261 | hmm...I'm not sure if it's in extras, testing, or devel |
| 06:38.03 | MiXu- | Some people seem to be really fond of the Firefox on N900. Could someone enlighten me... Why? |
| 06:38.24 | MiXu- | The one I tried was slow |
| 06:38.39 | dmj7261 | the built in one or the mozilla one? |
| 06:39.03 | MiXu- | Eh... The one that's built in is called MicroB |
| 06:40.07 | MiXu- | The built in browser is pretty good in my opinion. |
| 06:40.40 | dmj7261 | I think the built in one sets a pretty high standard |
| 06:41.15 | MiXu- | yeah |
| 06:42.23 | dmj7261 | nakomik: it's still in extras-devel |
| 06:42.33 | dmj7261 | Do you know what that is? |
| 06:43.38 | naknomik | dmj7261: I know, but don't know how to enable that repository. |
| 06:44.12 | naknomik | dmj7261: I am ubuntu user but Maemo feels different because it's on a phone. |
| 06:44.15 | dmj7261 | You know that applications in extras devel have not been tested and could potentially do very nasty things to your device? |
| 06:45.28 | naknomik | dmj7261: yes, I know that. |
| 06:45.32 | dmj7261 | Okay |
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| 06:45.53 | dmj7261 | in the application manager go to the menu at the top |
| 06:46.03 | dmj7261 | select application catalogs |
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| 06:46.38 | naknomik | dmj7261: so far with you |
| 06:46.46 | dmj7261 | press new |
| 06:47.15 | dmj7261 | catalog name: Maemo Extras Devel |
| 06:47.35 | naknomik | ok |
| 06:47.41 | dmj7261 | Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ |
| 06:47.52 | dmj7261 | Distribution: fremantle |
| 06:48.02 | dmj7261 | Components: free non-free |
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| 06:49.09 | naknomik | ok |
| 06:49.25 | dmj7261 | then save |
| 06:49.33 | dmj7261 | make sure it's not set as disabled |
| 06:50.47 | FIQ | and if you don't want to risking bricking your phone, it's recommended to disable the repo after the install |
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| 06:50.55 | naknomik | the only thing missing in FF compared to MicroB that I have found so far is the Zoom feature with pressing the volume +/- button |
| 06:50.58 | dmj7261 | quite true |
| 06:51.55 | FIQ | i prefer microB, but it's really unstable (for me at least) : < |
| 06:51.58 | MiXu- | is there a zoom gesture in ff? |
| 06:52.04 | MiXu- | except for tapping |
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| 06:57.40 | FIQ | bbttww,, wwhhyy ddoeoess mamaememoo ssoommeettiimmeess dduupplliiccaattee e evveerryytthihinngg ii wwrriittee?? |
| 06:57.43 | FIQ | l |
| 06:57.43 | FIQ | o |
| 06:57.44 | FIQ | l |
| 06:57.45 | FIQ | f |
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| 06:59.23 | MiXu- | Haven't had that problem |
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| 07:00.40 | FIQ | hhmm,, bbrrbb rreebboooott |
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| 07:02.33 | FredrIQ | test |
| 07:02.38 | FredrIQ | yay |
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| 07:36.48 | TigerTael | FredrIQ, I had that happen to me the other day after I exited weirdly from vi in the terminal. |
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| 08:16.20 | mece | awfully quiet here today. Anyone on? |
| 08:16.50 | Shrik3 | nope |
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| 08:19.35 | Khertan | Hello all ! |
| 08:21.27 | mece | figured. |
| 08:21.37 | mece | Hi Khertan! |
| 08:22.20 | FredrIQ | [08:37:04] <TigerTael> FredrIQ, I had that happen to me the other day after I exited weirdly from vi in the terminal. |
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| 08:22.46 | FredrIQ | actually, i did that yesterday, but it also has happened before i even installed that. |
| 08:22.47 | mece | Khertan, hey you probably know about this. I read somewhere a while ago that there are issues with threading in python desktop widgets. Is that still the case? |
| 08:23.17 | Khertan | yes |
| 08:23.27 | mece | Khertan, so you can't do it at all? |
| 08:23.36 | Khertan | and also some bugs in the python hildon launcher |
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| 08:23.55 | Khertan | which make sometimes widget appear or disappear without apparent reason |
| 08:24.03 | Khertan | mece: it seems not |
| 08:24.27 | Khertan | and this is why i didn't port my home widget from diablo to fremantle |
| 08:24.54 | ptl | but can't it be fixed? |
| 08:24.58 | mece | Khertan, hmm well that's rather annoying. |
| 08:25.08 | ptl | is this issue a design thing or just a bug in python? |
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| 08:25.29 | mece | ptl, pymaemo bug afaik |
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| 08:26.23 | Khertan | ptl: don't know |
| 08:26.46 | Khertan | for the bugs i think it s a bug ... but for thread i think it s in design |
| 08:27.08 | ptl | :[ |
| 08:27.45 | mece | ouch.. |
| 08:28.10 | mece | but how do non-python widgets do it? Or do they? |
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| 08:30.22 | ptl | isn't there a workaround? |
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| 08:34.13 | mece | i wonder. |
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| 08:42.33 | mece | ptl, apparently one should use IO callbacks as mentioned in the bugtracker here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7809 |
| 08:42.34 | povbot | Bug 7809: Python widgets can't use threads |
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| 08:42.45 | mece | ~thanks |
| 08:42.45 | infobot | bitte, mece |
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| 09:00.54 | ptl | mece: thanks, I'll read |
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| 09:10.05 | corecode_ | how do you compile sources in scratchbox? |
| 09:10.09 | corecode_ | do you keep them there |
| 09:10.18 | corecode_ | or do you mount your real home dir? |
| 09:10.49 | ptl | I keep them there |
| 09:10.53 | ptl | I dunno about other people tho |
| 09:11.16 | ptl | If I need to import sources from somewhere I just copy it to my home dir in scratchbox |
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| 09:13.59 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping |
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| 09:20.19 | corecode_ | how do you test/build packages? |
| 09:20.24 | corecode_ | debuild + install? |
| 09:20.31 | corecode_ | ./configure && make install? |
| 09:21.27 | corecode_ | E: Build-Depends dependency for modest cannot be satisfied because the package calendar-ui-widgets-0-dev cannot be found |
| 09:21.30 | corecode_ | huh? |
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| 09:29.53 | corecode_ | /usr/bin/make: relocation error: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/libdl.so.2: symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 09:29.58 | corecode_ | anybody had this issue? |
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| 09:32.19 | supertramp | hola :) |
| 09:32.31 | FredrIQ | ¡Hola! |
| 09:32.37 | supertramp | please - is there an mplayer package for N900? |
| 09:32.49 | FredrIQ | hm |
| 09:32.50 | FredrIQ | think so |
| 09:32.57 | thresh | yes there is |
| 09:33.35 | FredrIQ | mplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player, N900 version. |
| 09:33.39 | supertramp | I'm looking for some media player capable of showing subtitles ... |
| 09:34.04 | supertramp | FredrIQ: where did you get that? |
| 09:34.06 | supertramp | :) |
| 09:34.17 | thresh | vlc is ok, too |
| 09:34.19 | FredrIQ | apt-cache search mplayer |
| 09:34.45 | FredrIQ | don't know which repository it is uploaded in though |
| 09:34.54 | thresh | extras-devel, i assume |
| 09:35.04 | supertramp | ok :) I have to find out how to install packages on it |
| 09:35.10 | supertramp | have it only for several hours |
| 09:35.16 | corecode_ | fyi: need to use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 09:36.03 | lupine_85 | supertramp: mplayer is the Way Forward(tm) |
| 09:38.41 | supertramp | I have debian - but don't wanna screw the phone somehow |
| 09:38.57 | supertramp | what is default root passwd? :) |
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| 09:40.56 | corecode_ | install the getroot package |
| 09:40.57 | corecode_ | or so |
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| 09:41.44 | supertramp | I'm going to read some docs |
| 09:41.46 | supertramp | :)) |
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| 10:00.06 | petur | I tried to change the frequency of the update notifier from 1 day to 7 days by changing the value inside var/lib/gconf/apps/hildon/update-notifier/%gconf.xml to 10080, but it still seems to check (and download) every day. And yes, I rebooted and the changed value is still in there. |
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| 10:08.26 | chritto | I'm living in Australia and my N900 just arrived - would you guys suggest I flash the firmware with the "USA variant" or the "Global release"? thanks! |
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| 10:09.31 | Stskeeps | chritto: doesn't matter usually, but global release is usually good |
| 10:09.47 | chritto | thanks Stskeeps, much appreciated! |
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| 10:10.30 | supertramp | is there any sw procedure I can completely destroy the phone? :) |
| 10:10.44 | Stskeeps | yes, overwriting your bootloader |
| 10:10.47 | Stskeeps | which is stupid as hell |
| 10:10.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:10.54 | Stskeeps | or overclocking the device |
| 10:11.42 | supertramp | overwriting bootloader is completely non reversible action? |
| 10:12.09 | X-Fade | supertramp: For end users, yes. You then need special hardware. |
| 10:12.26 | supertramp | what special hw? arm programmer? |
| 10:12.29 | X-Fade | supertramp: But I'm betting you don't manage to do that anway. |
| 10:13.08 | supertramp | where is the bootloader stored in the phone? |
| 10:13.12 | X-Fade | Basically, if you have to ask that, you are not at risk ;) |
| 10:13.31 | supertramp | hmhm - I need more docs |
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| 10:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | supertramp, a serial cable. |
| 10:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pong? |
| 10:15.35 | supertramp | yeah :)) I thought so :) |
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| 10:18.39 | supertramp | anyways - I fallen in love with the N900 - incredible device |
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| 10:21.12 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Was wondering if it was you who removed the table-layout on the candidate page. Two issues I have with the current layout: 1) doesn't easily highlight which candidates haven't yet responded to Q&As; 2) doesn't make it clear that the summary is an extract of the declaration. |
| 10:21.21 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: The latter could be fixed with some ellipsiseseses. |
| 10:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, perhaps, but it's less ugly. |
| 10:21.40 | GeneralAntilles | and consistent with previous summary pages. :P |
| 10:21.55 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: It's not *actually* consistent with the previous summary pages :-p |
| 10:22.03 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: But it is closer to them |
| 10:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | OK, _more_. |
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| 10:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, little better now. |
| 10:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | Though it still lacks a table's glaceability it's at least not so hard on the eyes. ;) |
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| 10:52.04 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Cool. |
| 10:52.16 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I look forward to YoDude linking his answers in. I ain't gonna do it for him |
| 10:52.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 10:59.42 | supertramp | I love Finland! |
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| 11:00.41 | lcuk | supertramp, im sure finland loves you too |
| 11:00.56 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, do you know what time it is? |
| 11:01.22 | lcuk | 11am uk time, or commonly coffee time |
| 11:01.25 | lcuk | thanks for the reminder |
| 11:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | Wrong! |
| 11:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | Bacon time! |
| 11:01.45 | noobmonk3y | did someone say coffee? don't mind if i doo! |
| 11:01.50 | crashanddie | Hammer time! |
| 11:01.51 | lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles 10:14 this moring: |
| 11:01.53 | lcuk | <lcuk> E:TOOMUCHBACON |
| 11:01.53 | lcuk | <lcuk> and egg |
| 11:01.54 | lcuk | <lcuk> and sausage |
| 11:01.54 | lcuk | <lcuk> and beans |
| 11:01.54 | lcuk | <lcuk> and mushrooms |
| 11:01.54 | lcuk | <lcuk> and tomatoes |
| 11:01.54 | noobmonk3y | and ooo bacon.... yay! |
| 11:01.56 | lcuk | <lcuk> and toast |
| 11:01.58 | lcuk | <lcuk> and coffee |
| 11:02.00 | lcuk | <lcuk> and milkshake :$ |
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| 11:02.08 | noobmonk3y | all blended together lcuk ? |
| 11:02.34 | SpeedEvil | Does your milkshake bring all the boys to the yard lcuk? |
| 11:02.48 | lcuk | wasnt to start with, it sure is now! |
| 11:03.10 | lcuk | puts head back into mini-rc |
| 11:04.10 | SpeedEvil | http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/diary/who/SpeedEvil/ |
| 11:04.20 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps the most boring page (for others) ever! |
| 11:05.00 | petur | how can one tell what's using the network connection? The round icon with two arrows (GSM data) is flashing, and the data counter goes up slowly. mail and mfe are not active |
| 11:05.23 | SpeedEvil | tcpdump |
| 11:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, boring indeed. |
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| 11:06.18 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.34 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.34 | ccooke | Morning, all |
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| 11:07.15 | SpeedEvil | (tcpdump all packets up to 9999 bytes long to that file, decoding and presenting as hex and ascii |
| 11:07.43 | thresh | finds it easier to tcpdump to a file and then wireshark it in a nice gui |
| 11:08.52 | SpeedEvil | or there is even wireshark |
| 11:09.02 | SpeedEvil | I never bothered learning wireshark |
| 11:09.18 | petur | not wifi, GSM (gprs)... |
| 11:09.31 | SpeedEvil | petur: same idea then |
| 11:09.38 | SpeedEvil | but chang the device |
| 11:09.41 | petur | what's the device name? |
| 11:10.03 | SpeedEvil | IIRC gprs0 |
| 11:10.09 | SpeedEvil | only when it's up though |
| 11:10.22 | petur | thanks |
| 11:10.59 | SpeedEvil | See /etc/network/if-up.d/00_disable_icmp_echo_reply |
| 11:11.47 | SpeedEvil | Adding stuff after echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all |
| 11:11.48 | petur | meh... of course it stopped now :( but the icon is still blinking |
| 11:11.57 | SpeedEvil | will auto-start it when the network comes up |
| 11:12.15 | SpeedEvil | (usual cautions of editing system files apply) |
| 11:15.09 | TigerTael | Cautions, hah! |
| 11:15.15 | TigerTael | I'm waiting to break my phone so I can re-flash it. |
| 11:15.16 | TigerTael | ;/ |
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| 11:22.56 | wazd_e63 | Heya all |
| 11:25.13 | noobmonk3y | waves |
| 11:25.27 | thresh | anyone here with ipv6? |
| 11:26.34 | marmoute | \o |
| 11:26.38 | wazd_e63 | thinks he needs to create an artwork for picodrive |
| 11:27.12 | thresh | marmoute: could you ping 2001:16d8:ff00:236::2 ? |
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| 11:29.19 | eichi | if maemo (n800) is connected to mobile phone used as modem. someone knows, if there _could_ be a way to use the handy vibration for some notifications? |
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| 11:29.34 | eichi | maybe pidgin or something else |
| 11:30.08 | wazd_e63 | Eichi: no |
| 11:30.56 | eichi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.15 | talmai | I have a problem installing a package from my local repository. If I add it manually in application manager, package install without problems, but with a one click install i get "Unable to install x. Incompatible application package". Can I find details about this problem in some log file? |
| 11:31.27 | eichi | i miss the n900 jabber vibration notif on my n800 ;) |
| 11:32.12 | eichi | but then, the only way would be a external bluetooth vibration device, would be the third then, thats a bit overloaded ;) |
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| 11:32.41 | C-S-B | hello guys |
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| 11:32.57 | C-S-B | For the life of me I cannot get espeak to output any sound. |
| 11:33.08 | C-S-B | can anyone advise me? |
| 11:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | Who the hell sorts alphabetically by first name? |
| 11:34.18 | SpeedEvil | C-S-B: espeak test doesn't work? |
| 11:35.12 | C-S-B | well if i do espeak -ven hello ?I get nothing. |
| 11:36.08 | nidO | you need quotation marks |
| 11:36.15 | C-S-B | even with them, nothing |
| 11:36.22 | C-S-B | Which is baffling |
| 11:36.41 | MohammadAG | Silent profile maybe? |
| 11:36.48 | nidO | beats me, espeak works fine here. speakers switched off? |
| 11:37.04 | C-S-B | is retarded |
| 11:37.12 | C-S-B | I had the profile on silent |
| 11:37.16 | C-S-B | but the volume up |
| 11:37.35 | MohammadAG | some apps don't output sound when the device is in silent mode :) |
| 11:37.40 | C-S-B | thus I assumed that sounds generated by me would play (for example media player will still output) |
| 11:38.07 | C-S-B | anyway of having the terminal output sound while in silent mode? must just be pulse? |
| 11:38.19 | FredrIQ | hm |
| 11:39.10 | FredrIQ | how come supertuxkart fails to start within xterm (debian chroot), but works just fine to start in LXDE? |
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| 11:40.48 | MohammadAG | C-S-B, it might not be the easiest way but you can make a script that changes to general, outputs sound and goes back to silent mode |
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| 11:43.06 | nidO | espeak + ssh + lending n900 to girlfriend to play bubbels is great fun |
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| 11:43.58 | pillar_ | bubbels? |
| 11:44.12 | nidO | game in -testing |
| 11:44.18 | C-S-B | MohammadAG, sounds a bit backward but I see what you mean |
| 11:45.54 | supertramp | cannot open /dev/dsp - wtf ... |
| 11:46.45 | supertramp | ah |
| 11:46.47 | supertramp | profile |
| 11:46.47 | supertramp | ok |
| 11:48.47 | C-S-B | anyone used navit practically |
| 11:48.56 | C-S-B | Looks good if a little unstable |
| 11:49.26 | SpeedEvil | Navit will depend on the data |
| 11:49.33 | SpeedEvil | in some parts of the world, it's mostly OK |
| 11:50.23 | C-S-B | seems fairly cover by osm in my area |
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| 11:50.39 | SpeedEvil | Where are you? |
| 11:50.49 | C-S-B | uk, 40 mins out of london |
| 11:50.50 | SpeedEvil | OSM is basically a rich geekmap |
| 11:51.03 | SpeedEvil | yeah. There it's pretty good generally |
| 11:51.37 | loufoque_ | OSM is terrible |
| 11:51.54 | SpeedEvil | OSM is variable. |
| 11:52.16 | SpeedEvil | In some places, it's better than all commercial maps |
| 11:52.36 | SpeedEvil | In others, there are no roads for hundreds of miles. |
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| 11:53.07 | C-S-B | adds to the exitement of your journey |
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| 11:53.29 | MohammadAG | I think my touch assy is coming loose :( |
| 11:53.32 | SpeedEvil | For most of england it's basically OK |
| 11:54.29 | MohammadAG | any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 11:54.48 | SpeedEvil | Go out and map uncompleted areas. |
| 11:54.49 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 11:55.01 | C-S-B | how does one map accurately? |
| 11:55.06 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: have you looked at the l1/l2 manuual? |
| 11:55.12 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yeah |
| 11:55.31 | SpeedEvil | C-S-B: wander around with GPS, noting details. Enter them into editors. Done. |
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| 11:55.34 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, the touchscreen makes a click sound on the top area |
| 11:56.15 | MohammadAG | and it flexes inwards with a click (not the normal resistive ts flex - I know that) |
| 11:57.02 | C-S-B | hates ear grease on the ts after a call |
| 11:57.15 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ah |
| 11:57.56 | MohammadAG | it happened to me before, near the hildon-status-menu area |
| 11:58.06 | X-Fade | C-S-B: Use a headset ;) |
| 11:58.09 | MohammadAG | now it's on the right side, moving to the middle :( |
| 11:58.15 | SpeedEvil | C-S-B: use soap |
| 11:58.31 | C-S-B | lol |
| 11:58.36 | lcuk | cut off ear |
| 11:58.38 | MohammadAG | C-S-B, shout :p |
| 11:59.26 | C-S-B | I wish the supplied head set had a headphone socket |
| 12:00.41 | TigerTael | I wish the supplied headset could actually do something with the button other than for calls. |
| 12:01.31 | MohammadAG | TigerTael, qwerty12 made a daemon for it, but it doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 12:02.00 | TigerTael | I actually bought bluetooth earphones now. |
| 12:02.16 | TigerTael | So far, works well. |
| 12:02.53 | Arif_ | use the keyboard! |
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| 12:07.25 | hrw | morning |
| 12:07.52 | hrw | can someone tell me where package download stats are present? |
| 12:08.22 | X-Fade | hrw: in Downloads. When an app reaches Extras. |
| 12:08.32 | VDVsx | hrw, here: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ |
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| 12:09.06 | hrw | thx |
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| 12:11.25 | ccooke | prepares for another day of free food and staggeringly huge statistics |
| 12:12.22 | ccooke | (There are comanies out there who do more traffic, sure... but it's quite possible this one will be the largest I ever work for, and this is the most consistently huge week for us) |
| 12:13.07 | timeless_mbp | free food? where? |
| 12:13.10 | timeless_mbp | skipped lunch |
| 12:13.17 | timeless_mbp | has been starving for hours |
| 12:13.25 | noobmonk3y | is hungry :( |
| 12:13.35 | ccooke | this week, they don't want us away from our desks. So they bring in stacks of pizza. And: not yet, they're late. |
| 12:13.47 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 12:13.53 | noobmonk3y | so you are hard at work on irc, nice ;) |
| 12:14.11 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 12:14.20 | timeless_mbp | misses previous employer |
| 12:14.27 | timeless_mbp | when we had a deadline, they brought food for us |
| 12:14.30 | timeless_mbp | and not always pizza |
| 12:14.32 | noobmonk3y | wouldn't miss his current employer.... |
| 12:14.39 | timeless_mbp | we could have thai or malai or ... |
| 12:14.49 | ccooke | noobmonk3y: if all goes well, today is going to be aday of being encouraged to bet on races. |
| 12:14.53 | noobmonk3y | i get cold 2 days old sandwhiches if i am lucky..... |
| 12:14.59 | noobmonk3y | lol ccooke |
| 12:15.04 | ccooke | If anything goes badly, it will be a long day of working out what's up |
| 12:15.13 | ccooke | but hey, we've spent months upgrading the site and servers for this |
| 12:15.18 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 12:15.20 | ccooke | now we find out if it was enough :-) |
| 12:15.47 | timeless_mbp | good luck btw |
| 12:15.50 | ccooke | thanks |
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| 12:16.08 | timeless_mbp | may the cloud shine its face on you :) |
| 12:16.21 | ccooke | yesterday, we broke our RPS record... 47,000 requests per second at peak. |
| 12:16.38 | noobmonk3y | wow... porn site? lol |
| 12:16.51 | ccooke | :-) |
| 12:17.16 | ccooke | nope. Betting exchange (that's people betting against each other; basically a stock exchange for sporting events) |
| 12:17.43 | noobmonk3y | ahhh :D yeah seen a few of those sites advertisedo n tv |
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| 12:18.42 | ccooke | *nod* |
| 12:18.45 | ccooke | I work for Betfair |
| 12:18.48 | VDVsx | wazd, http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ |
| 12:18.58 | noobmonk3y | ahhh that be the one i have heard off |
| 12:19.00 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: did you count typos per line? |
| 12:19.04 | Arif_ | pr0n ads on TV? |
| 12:19.05 | Arif_ | o.o |
| 12:19.26 | noobmonk3y | yup Arif_ :D - but advised you use your imagination to make it look realistic lol |
| 12:19.35 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, where ? :p |
| 12:19.55 | Arif_ | what channels do you watch? :P |
| 12:19.58 | SpeedEvil | ccooke: many automated clients? |
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| 12:20.26 | timeless_mbp | conversations.nokia.com |
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| 12:20.43 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: i only ask because i've read http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/03/02/nokia-c5-unveiled/ |
| 12:21.02 | nidO | my employer never brings me food :< |
| 12:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, that plan sounds awful. |
| 12:21.09 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, lol, I usually only read the titles |
| 12:21.12 | nidO | my kitchen is only 6 feet away though \o/ |
| 12:21.23 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: the content is funnier |
| 12:21.29 | ccooke | SpeedEvil: we have an API. It's pretty extreme. |
| 12:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be money well spent for Nokia to send its employees to English classes. ;) |
| 12:21.41 | timeless_mbp | > It also comes packing free walk and drive navigation |
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| 12:21.49 | ccooke | It's quite possible the web side alone will beat 8 billion page impressions this week |
| 12:21.55 | noobmonk3y | lol nido |
| 12:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, that's an intimidating phone. |
| 12:22.12 | noobmonk3y | my employer will bring you food, but only if you are a customer, or in our case, a patient lol (Health service) |
| 12:22.16 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: well it sure ain't humble |
| 12:22.17 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, or hire natives for certain jobs |
| 12:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah, like copy editing. *g* |
| 12:22.34 | nidO | several of our customers are health services \o/ |
| 12:22.39 | noobmonk3y | what country? :D |
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| 12:22.41 | nidO | uk |
| 12:22.46 | noobmonk3y | ahhh, me = NHS |
| 12:22.56 | noobmonk3y | well not the whole of it, cos then i'd be a fat ass |
| 12:23.00 | nidO | yer, we host a number of NHS websites for various pct's :p |
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| 12:23.07 | noobmonk3y | ahhhh |
| 12:23.19 | noobmonk3y | we use easysite and i'm planning my revenge... erm business case to get of it |
| 12:23.44 | ccooke | (yay, pizza... bbs) |
| 12:23.48 | noobmonk3y | lol ccooke |
| 12:24.04 | nidO | I could recommend a good host various other pct's use and are happy with.. ;) |
| 12:24.18 | noobmonk3y | not really a host at the moment - as i only have 1 web member of staff |
| 12:24.23 | noobmonk3y | its more a cms.... :| |
| 12:24.28 | noobmonk3y | hostings the easy bit :D |
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| 12:24.49 | noobmonk3y | but always happy to get info showing how other people do things :D |
| 12:25.23 | nidO | http://www.ntw.nhs.uk/ < is how decent designers do things |
| 12:25.33 | nidO | http://www.norfolk.nhs.uk/ < is how frontpage designers do things. :< |
| 12:26.08 | noobmonk3y | http://www.sussexpartnership.nhs.uk - this is how 1 person stressed out and in a hurry does things ;) |
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| 12:26.22 | noobmonk3y | lol @ the norfolk one |
| 12:26.32 | nidO | shame that even that site's massively nicer to look at than the norfolk site :< |
| 12:26.41 | noobmonk3y | hehe yeah lol |
| 12:26.45 | Arif_ | refreshes the app manager update screen and gets disappointed |
| 12:26.57 | noobmonk3y | i joined and the comms lead had started out old one, was diabolical, so i had a play :D |
| 12:27.05 | ccooke | (*shudder* you know footage of pirahna devouring stuff? more than 200 geeks and a gigantic stack of pizza...) |
| 12:27.18 | noobmonk3y | but not technically my job :P - so i hired a tech guy to look after it and leave content to the people who should do it :D |
| 12:27.28 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: but why did you call it intimidating? |
| 12:27.48 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, the phrasing makes it sound like it's packing heat. |
| 12:28.24 | noobmonk3y | brb 2 mins |
| 12:28.40 | nidO | hosted by titan, eh |
| 12:28.40 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.44 | timeless_mbp | it's really awesome |
| 12:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, my attention level for the past couple weeks has been low. |
| 12:30.00 | TigerTael | sighs and watches the SDK script installing for the second time. |
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| 12:32.45 | C-S-B | better to install the sdk on local system or use the vm that I've seen mentioned? |
| 12:33.02 | C-S-B | or 3) compile on device. |
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| 12:33.56 | TigerTael | C-S-B, I tried the VM image, wasn't too happy... |
| 12:34.04 | TigerTael | But it was the easiest to pick up and run with. |
| 12:34.33 | TigerTael | esbox installed and all. |
| 12:34.34 | noobmonk3y | whats hosted by titan nido? |
| 12:34.35 | C-S-B | what made you unhappy with it? |
| 12:34.46 | noobmonk3y | (no idea on our site, so many people involved :( ) |
| 12:34.48 | nidO | your site, it seems :P |
| 12:35.03 | TigerTael | C-S-B, old Ubuntu distro, system setup not quite how I like it... some SDK things didn't seem to gel... |
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| 12:35.59 | noobmonk3y | lol easysite host it, we pay a 3rd party NHS it lot... all annoying and costly..... |
| 12:37.00 | ponyofdeath | hi, wondering if the gps on the n900 will work in eastern europe i cant seem to get it to pick up in bulgaria. I have the usa version if that is an issue? Do I have to reflash using international firmware? |
| 12:37.48 | TigerTael | How long have you left it out in an open area? |
| 12:37.51 | ShadowJK | it's weak without data connectivity |
| 12:38.14 | ponyofdeath | TigerTael, ShadowJK I see so it requires an operator |
| 12:38.29 | ShadowJK | and ovi maps gives up after 30 secs, so it's useless for getting a signal without data connectivity |
| 12:38.52 | ShadowJK | it's not required, but it makes it take less timr |
| 12:39.03 | ccooke | Rehi |
| 12:39.19 | ponyofdeath | I see thanks guys I will keep that in mind and try |
| 12:41.10 | ShadowJK | location-test-ui from tools repo, or gpsjinni fron one of thr extras repos is better to get first fix with |
| 12:41.42 | ShadowJK | as I said ovi maps gives up after 30secs and it can take many minutes withiut data connection |
| 12:43.51 | timeless_mbp | ponyofdeath: gps worked for me in Ukraine |
| 12:43.55 | ponyofdeath | ShadowJK: ok i will check those out thanks again |
| 12:43.58 | villager | the way I read the bug report, ovi maps gives up when the screensaver kicks in, so that you could just keep clicking stuff to keep it from giving up... but I could be wrong I suppose |
| 12:44.04 | timeless_mbp | keep in mind that Nokia Maps coverage in Eastern Europe is AWFUL |
| 12:44.13 | timeless_mbp | and if you don't have maps predownloaded and use roaming 3g |
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| 12:44.30 | timeless_mbp | expect to see a VERY HIGH phone bill a month or two later |
| 12:44.58 | ponyofdeath | timeless_mbp: :) yeah just trying to get the gps tag for my photos :) |
| 12:45.32 | timeless_mbp | as long as you only want lat/long, and don't expect particularly useful region names |
| 12:45.42 | timeless_mbp | and again, keep in mind you're still going to get hit by roaming fees |
| 12:45.47 | timeless_mbp | it should be fine |
| 12:46.00 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if i posted any of my photos to show the tagging, but i could... |
| 12:46.32 | timeless_mbp | actually, the region tagging wasn't too bad there, it's just absolutely unhelpful since i can't use the cyrillic to do anything :) |
| 12:46.48 | ShadowJK | didn't know it could fetch tags from gps |
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| 12:47.55 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: the tagging does all or nothing |
| 12:48.16 | timeless_mbp | it grabs a gps fix, then reverse geocodes it, and writes the combination |
| 12:48.30 | tybollt | tim e less! |
| 12:48.54 | villager | and sometimes gets the geocoding wrong, as I recall... |
| 12:49.17 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: laugh, but, i just met Tim Eliss earlier this week |
| 12:49.36 | timeless_mbp | poor guy wanted to go by the nick timeless… collision means he can't :) |
| 12:49.49 | ShadowJK | with the preinstalled software? |
| 12:49.52 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: is it normal for the browser to - at certain special conditions - while loading a page - send the cpu usage flying - hence making the entire device very slow? |
| 12:49.58 | tybollt | microb, this is |
| 12:50.12 | timeless_mbp | doesn't seem unreasonable |
| 12:50.16 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: :-D |
| 12:50.24 | ShadowJK | if it slows down the rest it's more likely to be ram |
| 12:50.31 | ShadowJK | uh, memory |
| 12:50.32 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i'm told that it's actually better to use as much cpu as possible for as little time as required |
| 12:50.37 | timeless_mbp | instead of spreading it out |
| 12:50.49 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: fair enough |
| 12:50.56 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, ShadowJK's probably right |
| 12:51.03 | timeless_mbp | the system is probably swapping to death |
| 12:51.09 | tybollt | Sjk: Hmm could be... |
| 12:51.12 | timeless_mbp | otherwise, the system in theory iiuc should be responsive |
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| 12:51.31 | tybollt | yeah that'd make sense |
| 12:51.32 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, bottlenecks. |
| 12:51.43 | GeneralAntilles | wishes for an ARM-based system without crippling bottlenecks. |
| 12:51.45 | tybollt | ok, I think that'd answer my question - thanks |
| 12:52.04 | villager | the phone should have been equipped with the flash equivalent of those good old HD activity leds |
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| 12:52.13 | ShadowJK | yeah I've had some sites with 2megabytes of jabascript eat 100percent cpu and not noticed anything besides browser windows not doing much |
| 12:52.29 | tybollt | sjk: Uhuh... |
| 12:52.42 | ShadowJK | villager: HP removed those leds from their laptops when vista came |
| 12:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | Fingers crossed for some js engine improvements in PR1.2, I guess. |
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| 12:52.59 | ShadowJK | atleast on the affordable ones.. |
| 12:53.36 | timeless_mbp | prefers the hardware battery led's |
| 12:53.41 | timeless_mbp | especially the ones on mbp's |
| 12:53.59 | GeneralAntilles | Who flips their computer over to check the battery? |
| 12:54.54 | ShadowJK | still has no clue how this alleged automatic geotagging is supposed to work :-) |
| 12:55.20 | ShadowJK | hm, maybe I could try longtapping on random things :D |
| 12:55.21 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: better than turning it on :) |
| 12:55.38 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: got your n900 handy? |
| 12:55.46 | ShadowJK | yep |
| 12:55.49 | timeless_mbp | is it on? |
| 12:55.57 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 12:56.09 | timeless_mbp | is it keyguarded? |
| 12:56.15 | timeless_mbp | (lock screen, whateer) |
| 12:56.19 | timeless_mbp | s/ee/eve/ |
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| 12:56.27 | timeless_mbp | s/eer/ever/ |
| 12:56.31 | ShadowJK | I'm typing this text on it, so no |
| 12:56.37 | timeless_mbp | press the camera button once |
| 12:56.48 | timeless_mbp | open the lens cover |
| 12:56.54 | timeless_mbp | tap the title area |
| 12:56.56 | timeless_mbp | tap geotagging |
| 12:57.10 | timeless_mbp | read the unbearably long and incomprehensible text |
| 12:57.16 | timeless_mbp | check the check box |
| 12:57.22 | timeless_mbp | tap the dismiss button |
| 12:57.35 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 12:57.37 | timeless_mbp | the text is bad |
| 12:57.58 | timeless_mbp | you should now see 2 flashing satellites |
| 12:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, who turns off their laptop? |
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| 12:58.05 | ShadowJK | I read first 4 words and decided it was pointless gibberish :D |
| 12:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | Especially a make. |
| 12:58.08 | GeneralAntilles | erm |
| 12:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | s/make/Mac/ |
| 12:58.16 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i close the screen when i take it out of the office |
| 12:58.17 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.29 | timeless_mbp | i drop enough other devices, i don't need to shatter my mac's screen |
| 12:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, sleep isn't off. :P |
| 12:58.34 | tybollt | sjk :D |
| 12:58.43 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: waking it up from seep is still kinda silly |
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| 12:59.05 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, OK, fair enough. ;) |
| 12:59.26 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: after a while, the indicators should stop blinking |
| 12:59.40 | timeless_mbp | at this point, you can press and hold the camera key for 2 seconds |
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| 12:59.58 | timeless_mbp | the bottom left corner should say something stupid like FINLAND, Helsinki |
| 13:00.15 | timeless_mbp | you can then tap the price tag icon on the far right to open tags |
| 13:00.18 | noobmonk3y | is back |
| 13:00.20 | timeless_mbp | it should say at the bottom: |
| 13:00.21 | timeless_mbp | Geotags |
| 13:00.25 | timeless_mbp | Helsinki, FINLAND |
| 13:00.31 | ShadowJK | thanks, I get it now :) |
| 13:00.37 | timeless_mbp | at which point you should shoot someone |
| 13:00.54 | ShadowJK | it actually made something useful I thought |
| 13:00.55 | timeless_mbp | tapping that bottom button will open a dialog: |
| 13:01.05 | timeless_mbp | Edit Geotags - Finland, Helsinki |
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| 13:01.18 | timeless_mbp | please note how it randomly swaps the country/region order |
| 13:01.28 | timeless_mbp | and how FINLAND became Finland for no particular reason |
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| 13:02.17 | timeless_mbp | when your done, i suggest you trash your picture of a small portion of your macbookpro's screen, no one needs to see huge blury pixels |
| 13:02.25 | ShadowJK | oh second time it actually made different thing |
| 13:02.41 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: How about SUOMI? |
| 13:02.59 | timeless_mbp | finnish doesn't include capital letters, ever ;-) |
| 13:03.11 | ShadowJK | doesn't have phone set to .fi locale anyway |
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| 13:03.18 | ptl | some blog said the theremin application is multitouch |
| 13:03.22 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: It does - typically after about half a bottle of Kosken |
| 13:03.22 | ptl | let's see if it's true |
| 13:03.28 | ptl | installing... |
| 13:04.04 | nidO | I have that installed |
| 13:04.10 | nidO | in what way is it supposedly multitouch? |
| 13:04.24 | ptl | I dunno |
| 13:04.30 | ShadowJK | oh it had actual satellite fix second time. first time must've been network positioning only :) |
| 13:04.31 | ptl | maybe you can press two keys at the same time |
| 13:04.55 | nidO | i think people assume it's multitouch because they dont know how resistive screens work |
| 13:05.13 | nidO | if you touch two points on the theremin keyboard, the note you get is halfway between the two points |
| 13:05.39 | nidO | touch one point still and move a second touch point and you get a sliding note scale halfway between the points you're touching+moving |
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| 13:06.01 | ptl | might be |
| 13:07.02 | nidO | press and hold A = it plays A, press B at the same time it plays A#, drag finger from B to G# while still holding A, it plays from A# to D# |
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| 13:08.07 | TigerTael | Sounds exactly like the tech... |
| 13:08.16 | ptl | just for the reference, the blog that says it's multitouch: http://mmfixed.com/ |
| 13:08.19 | ptl | ooops |
| 13:08.20 | ptl | sorry |
| 13:08.26 | ptl | http://www.nokian900applications.com/theremin-for-nokia-n900/ --> that's the one |
| 13:08.41 | ptl | pasted from the wrong X clipboard |
| 13:08.42 | ptl | :) |
| 13:08.44 | nidO | "with the possibility of pressing two notes at a time" |
| 13:08.45 | nidO | = wrong |
| 13:09.06 | nidO | theyre assuming because the note you get when you press two notes is different to either of them that its playing both at once |
| 13:09.21 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 13:09.21 | nidO | when it's actually just playing the note thats physically halfway between the two on the keypad |
| 13:09.25 | X-Fade | It will just give you the average point between both touches. |
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| 13:09.45 | timeless_mbp | well, some people are musically challenged :) |
| 13:09.50 | TigerTael | ;] |
| 13:10.12 | timeless_mbp | now what was i doing? |
| 13:10.15 | timeless_mbp | other than starving |
| 13:10.18 | Jaffa | grrs at strawman arguments being deployed in the council election already to create a "I'm your representative against *them*" split. |
| 13:10.56 | ccooke | jacekowski: which Them, in this case? |
| 13:11.05 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, who's surprised, though? |
| 13:11.42 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Oh, I'm not surprised. I just hope I don't come across as bullying the village idiot. |
| 13:12.07 | Jaffa | Not, of course, that I'm suggesting my honourable opponents are, in any way, idiots. Or live in villages. |
| 13:12.23 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: but, "it takes a village" |
| 13:12.30 | timeless_mbp | maybe they're children? :) |
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| 13:12.34 | Jaffa | But trying to construct a split that doesn't exist reeks of opportunism. |
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| 13:13.05 | Jaffa | I mean, *every* candidate started off on ITT/tmo before getting involved elsewhere and probably spends more time on TMO than any other single Maemo community medium. |
| 13:13.11 | timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Village in case people missed the reference :) |
| 13:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | Talk is firmly in 3rd place these days behind IRC and the lists. |
| 13:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | Down to just the Community forum. |
| 13:18.10 | derf | Personally I've always avoided Talk like the plague. |
| 13:18.51 | GeneralAntilles | Us vs Them platforms really are the best. |
| 13:19.11 | derf | People are tribal animals. |
| 13:19.22 | derf | It's the kind of narrative they respond to. |
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| 13:20.14 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I skim General, Apps, ... basically the on-topic ones. |
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| 13:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I can't help but read the troll threads there. |
| 13:20.30 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: But checking talk counts as using it, and checking it and not contributing is a big time sink ;-) |
| 13:20.40 | GeneralAntilles | Which does nothing to help my sunny disposition. ;) |
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| 13:28.23 | tybollt | hmm fricken omweather :S |
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| 13:35.54 | Arif_ | throws the weather at tybollt |
| 13:36.08 | timeless_mbp | takes a minute to curse coverity's ui |
| 13:36.18 | timeless_mbp | they stuck a delete button where the run button should have been |
| 13:36.34 | tybollt | oh |
| 13:36.40 | mgedmin | do they have undo? |
| 13:36.44 | tybollt | you're using coverit on the microb codebase? |
| 13:36.48 | tybollt | coverity |
| 13:36.57 | tybollt | o_O |
| 13:36.59 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: no |
| 13:37.02 | timeless_mbp | but my browser has 'back' |
| 13:37.08 | timeless_mbp | which thankfully worked |
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| 13:37.25 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: i have |
| 13:37.31 | timeless_mbp | this is technically not the microb codebase |
| 13:37.36 | timeless_mbp | and i'm only using it on gecko |
| 13:37.39 | timeless_mbp | because "nothing else matters" |
| 13:37.44 | timeless_mbp | (and everything else is a waste of time) |
| 13:38.17 | VDVsx | Jaffa, (only a past candidate) I started first on the MLs, but spent more time at tmo :D |
| 13:38.21 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: well now... :) |
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| 13:39.06 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: the same was generally true when i was doing this for fremantle |
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| 13:39.23 | timeless_mbp | that it happened to eventually improve microb was a side effect |
| 13:40.20 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 13:40.28 | timeless_mbp | i think i'm reviewing something i've already fixed |
| 13:42.18 | supertramp | may I change default user's password without any risk? |
| 13:42.35 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 13:42.41 | timeless_mbp | you are allowed to do anything you like |
| 13:42.49 | timeless_mbp | but doing some things entails an element of risk |
| 13:42.49 | supertramp | really |
| 13:43.11 | supertramp | ok - I know this apparently |
| 13:43.19 | timeless_mbp | i believe that you should ask 'can' |
| 13:43.22 | timeless_mbp | instead of 'may' |
| 13:43.33 | timeless_mbp | and i believe the answer is 'no' |
| 13:43.42 | timeless_mbp | it's also stupid |
| 13:43.45 | Jaffa | VDVsx: You don't count anymore. Old news ;-) |
| 13:44.01 | supertramp | it's definitely *MUST* to do believe in something |
| 13:44.02 | timeless_mbp | if you don't want people to be able to log in as user, then configure ssh so that it doesn't allow log ins |
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| 13:45.10 | supertramp | I want me to login |
| 13:45.57 | supertramp | so once again |
| 13:46.02 | supertramp | can I change default user's password without any risk? |
| 13:46.05 | supertramp | :) |
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| 13:46.11 | timeless_mbp | it won't do what you want |
| 13:46.23 | timeless_mbp | you risk being disappointed |
| 13:46.23 | timeless_mbp | so 'no' |
| 13:47.08 | timeless_mbp | there isn't a gdm lying around just waiting to ask for your password in the incredibly unlikely event that you want to require a password |
| 13:47.14 | timeless_mbp | however, you can set a device lock code |
| 13:47.16 | timeless_mbp | and rely on that |
| 13:47.26 | supertramp | what I want is to protect my ssh without any complexity for forexample wordattacks |
| 13:47.34 | supertramp | s/ssh/sshd |
| 13:47.52 | supertramp | I don't know the default user's password |
| 13:48.04 | alterego | seems my location widget doesn't update because of my phone operator :/ |
| 13:48.08 | timeless_mbp | iirc ssh doesn't allow logins using password auth when there isn't a password set |
| 13:48.12 | timeless_mbp | and there isn't one set for user |
| 13:48.13 | timeless_mbp | iirc |
| 13:48.20 | timeless_mbp | there's a password for root |
| 13:48.24 | FredrIQ | set a root pw |
| 13:48.27 | timeless_mbp | but installing sshd should force you to change it |
| 13:48.32 | FredrIQ | and you're fine |
| 13:48.45 | timeless_mbp | setup an ssh key file for root and disable password logins |
| 13:48.52 | timeless_mbp | all of this is doable w/o wasting time asking about passwords |
| 13:48.59 | supertramp | are you sure sure that there is no password set for user? |
| 13:49.00 | supertramp | :) |
| 13:49.01 | timeless_mbp | (or trying to break the system) |
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| 13:50.43 | supertramp | ok - lemme change the user's password :} |
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| 13:51.13 | TigerTael | go go power ranger. |
| 13:52.20 | supertramp | but before it lemme check the forum ... |
| 13:52.22 | supertramp | :)) |
| 13:52.33 | timeless_mbp | hates users |
| 13:52.41 | timeless_mbp | they're all idiots |
| 13:53.39 | tybollt | fair enough I hate you too timeless_mbp |
| 13:53.39 | timeless_mbp | why do they bother asking questions if they'll go off and do the thing anyway |
| 13:53.39 | tybollt | developer rakastan! |
| 13:53.39 | FredrIQ | hah |
| 13:53.40 | tybollt | ;) |
| 13:53.40 | supertramp | timeless_mbp: I think you should come down dude |
| 13:53.41 | timeless_mbp | supertramp: 'come' as in have sex? |
| 13:53.46 | tybollt | supertramp: "calm down"? :) |
| 13:53.48 | timeless_mbp | because you probably meant 'calm' |
| 13:53.56 | tybollt | timeless_mbp++ |
| 13:54.00 | supertramp | yes |
| 13:54.10 | timeless_mbp | would need to get married first |
| 13:54.11 | supertramp | calm down |
| 13:54.13 | TigerTael | sudo sudo apt-get* <=- lol |
| 13:54.14 | timeless_mbp | which involves finding a wife |
| 13:54.19 | timeless_mbp | so much pressure |
| 13:54.22 | tybollt | although perhaps you meant timeless_mbp should come down from his high horses? :) |
| 13:54.45 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: one high horse isn't enough, i have to have a stable full? |
| 13:55.12 | tybollt | at a very least a stable full worth of. |
| 13:55.28 | tybollt | is a bit grumpy - writing change request is not TEH FUNNEH |
| 13:55.36 | supertramp | tybollt: thanks :) |
| 13:55.36 | tybollt | requests... |
| 13:58.13 | timeless_mbp | Could not acquire a shared read lock on the database. Maintenance may be in progress. |
| 13:58.16 | timeless_mbp | oh that's helpful |
| 13:59.06 | supertramp | ok - there is none |
| 13:59.23 | timeless_mbp | you mean i didn't lie to you? i'm shocked |
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| 13:59.47 | supertramp | timeless_mbp: for how long are you working with maemo? |
| 13:59.56 | timeless_mbp | 4 years |
| 13:59.58 | supertramp | timeless_mbp: me about 8 - 9 hour |
| 13:59.59 | supertramp | s |
| 14:00.20 | timeless_mbp | so, typically it isn't nice to go to a place, ask a question, get an answer, and then actively indicate your intent to ignore the answer you just asked for |
| 14:00.30 | timeless_mbp | it's in fact, incredibly rude |
| 14:00.50 | timeless_mbp | now, if you paid me for advice, and then chose to ignore it, at least, i'd feel like a proper prostitute |
| 14:01.03 | timeless_mbp | but you didn't pay |
| 14:01.15 | timeless_mbp | (with apologies to prostitutes) |
| 14:01.32 | tybollt | awww |
| 14:01.41 | tybollt | hands timeless_mbp a pink pwny |
| 14:01.58 | noobmonk3y | burps |
| 14:01.59 | timeless_mbp | with nice lace or satin? |
| 14:02.43 | supertramp | :) |
| 14:04.57 | VDVsx | Jaffa, :´´) |
| 14:05.26 | VDVsx | buys tickets to vegas with the council money |
| 14:08.25 | Jaffa | VDVsx: The next council better get the scroll back in one piece. |
| 14:08.42 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 14:21.39 | lcuk | Jaffa, you might not want it back if the rumours of its "misuse" are to be believed |
| 14:22.01 | lcuk | and frankly, i dont know how so many of them managed it without at least sustaining serious paper cuts |
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| 14:23.55 | Elvaron | hey guys, anyone know if there is a desktop widget to handle panucci audio book player? |
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| 14:25.10 | noobmonk3y | burps |
| 14:25.50 | Arif_ | sneezes |
| 14:26.39 | Jaffa | lcuk: That's an image I didn't want. |
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| 14:28.59 | lcuk | Jaffa, well they thought you were done with it |
| 14:29.10 | lcuk | they will wipe it clean before returning it |
| 14:29.21 | lcuk | that is why you laminated them isnt it? |
| 14:30.08 | Vratha | oooooooooo, i may lose connection. on the train to grand central |
| 14:30.30 | Vratha | riding through the bronx i think |
| 14:34.10 | TigerTael | Wow, this time, my SDK actually displays things properly. |
| 14:34.23 | TigerTael | word. |
| 14:34.45 | TigerTael | Although, quite a few things are missing. |
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| 14:34.57 | TigerTael | How can I make sure that my SDK isn't missing any packages? |
| 14:35.46 | TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, any advice? |
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| 14:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | not ata all, TigerTael |
| 14:36.26 | TigerTael | :{ |
| 14:36.36 | TigerTael | Seriously, how can I make sure I'm not missing any packages? |
| 14:37.16 | Arif_ | by installing them all? |
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| 14:37.58 | noobmonk3y | Arif_: = legend... tis true |
| 14:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | missing at what? |
| 14:38.19 | noobmonk3y | throws packages at Arif_ |
| 14:38.24 | Arif_ | opens them =D |
| 14:38.31 | noobmonk3y | thinks it may be snowing |
| 14:38.40 | Arif_ | they're all empty |
| 14:38.40 | Arif_ | ={ |
| 14:38.43 | noobmonk3y | w000000p |
| 14:38.52 | noobmonk3y | trust me to get dudd packages |
| 14:38.52 | Arif_ | burries noobmonk3y in empty packaging |
| 14:38.57 | noobmonk3y | ooo you saucey minx |
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| 14:39.02 | noobmonk3y | prods lcuk |
| 14:39.15 | Veggen | snow? getting used to that, we've had snow for three months now. |
| 14:39.35 | Veggen | previous years, we've hardly gotten a week or two in a row. |
| 14:40.16 | Arif_ | rain ftl |
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| 14:42.14 | FlavioFerreiraBR | how application i can use to take a screenshot at n900? Ctrl + Shift + P i know. |
| 14:43.23 | noobmonk3y | FlavioFerreiraBR: ? if you know why do you need to ask? |
| 14:43.43 | Arif_ | o...k |
| 14:43.54 | Arif_ | some people are weird :P |
| 14:44.05 | noobmonk3y | yup.... i know, i apologise for lcuk's weirdness |
| 14:44.26 | FlavioFerreiraBR | bacause this way is bad for me. |
| 14:45.40 | noobmonk3y | There is a system tray application (CPUMEM? maybe) that does it from the system tray |
| 14:46.04 | Arif_ | yeah...it's hard to press ctrl + shift + p |
| 14:46.04 | Arif_ | ;( |
| 14:46.12 | noobmonk3y | arif - it is with no fingers ;) |
| 14:46.19 | FlavioFerreiraBR | at n810 i used the camera key |
| 14:46.24 | Arif_ | or with the keyboard closed! |
| 14:46.30 | FlavioFerreiraBR | i had big fingers |
| 14:46.47 | Arif_ | it's impossible to make a screenshot of the virtual keyboard for example |
| 14:46.50 | Arif_ | =( |
| 14:47.33 | noobmonk3y | FlavioFerreiraBR: just trying to find the name for you |
| 14:48.04 | noobmonk3y | FlavioFerreiraBR: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/load-applet/ |
| 14:48.30 | FlavioFerreiraBR | i have installed |
| 14:48.38 | FlavioFerreiraBR | but i dont can configure |
| 14:48.48 | noobmonk3y | Click your status bar |
| 14:48.54 | noobmonk3y | there is a picture of a camera |
| 14:49.00 | noobmonk3y | Press it |
| 14:49.06 | FlavioFerreiraBR | i know |
| 14:49.11 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 14:49.23 | noobmonk3y | you do know alot for someone who doesnt know what he wants ;) |
| 14:49.50 | FlavioFerreiraBR | my application running in fullscreen mode |
| 14:49.59 | FlavioFerreiraBR | how i take screenshot ? |
| 14:50.09 | Arif_ | take a different phone with camera |
| 14:50.12 | FlavioFerreiraBR | in the past with n810 i used the camera key |
| 14:50.13 | Arif_ | and take a pciture of the N900 |
| 14:50.15 | noobmonk3y | well you have 20 seconds on that tool - open it, load your app, take a screenie? |
| 14:50.32 | noobmonk3y | use a camera? |
| 14:50.37 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 14:50.51 | Arif_ | connect the TV out to a video in |
| 14:50.55 | Arif_ | and record it |
| 14:50.55 | Arif_ | :D |
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| 14:51.31 | Arif_ | so many options =} |
| 14:51.48 | FlavioFerreiraBR | thanks |
| 14:51.52 | FlavioFerreiraBR | for all |
| 14:52.05 | FlavioFerreiraBR | i will try a new application |
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| 14:54.52 | noobmonk3y | farts |
| 14:56.05 | noobmonk3y | (Timed that just as dneary came in..... lol) :D |
| 14:56.17 | dneary | hehe |
| 14:57.21 | noobmonk3y | oh the joys... i eally should be working.... but it feels like a friday |
| 14:57.25 | noobmonk3y | really* |
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| 14:58.49 | odin_ | thats because St Patrik's day always feels like a Friday |
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| 15:01.27 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 15:01.30 | noobmonk3y | paddys day today? |
| 15:02.23 | odin_ | I'll tell you tomorrow ! now get back to work |
| 15:02.51 | noobmonk3y | goes back to work :( |
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| 15:04.58 | dneary | Yeah, Paddy's Day will be a dry day for me this year |
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| 15:06.03 | dneary | Testing IRC highlighting. Can someone ask a question preceded by "QUESTION:" please? |
| 15:06.10 | Shadikka_ | QUESTION: Why? |
| 15:06.33 | odin_ | ANSWER: STFU |
| 15:06.59 | dneary | Shadikka_, I'm testing custom highlighting in X-Chat to try to convince qgil that it's possible to follow just the questions coming from a chatty channel |
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| 15:07.11 | Shadikka | I see :P |
| 15:07.21 | dneary | Shadikka, I have set "QUESTION:" as a custom highlighted phrase in XChat |
| 15:07.32 | mgedmin | that probably works better with nick highlighting turned off |
| 15:07.37 | lupine_85 | QUESTION: can haz forum nao? |
| 15:07.42 | Shadikka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.44 | dneary | mgedmin, It might do |
| 15:07.45 | Shadikka | irssi is phun |
| 15:08.32 | dneary | Shadikka, Edit->Preferences, IRC preferences/Highlighting |
| 15:08.52 | Shadikka | Maybe I'm a bit oldschool, but I prefer non-GUI stuff for a lot of things |
| 15:09.07 | X-Fade | dneary: Just highlighting on a questionmark would probably enough. |
| 15:09.38 | dneary | X-Fade, If the concern is not being able to follow both forums, then that would give too many false positives |
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| 15:10.08 | X-Fade | dneary: Yes, but at least it doesn't force the user to change behavior. |
| 15:10.14 | tybollt | aaah false positives... |
| 15:10.19 | noobmonk3y | giggles... dneary is trying to prove something to qgil lol... will take you a while |
| 15:10.22 | noobmonk3y | goes back to work |
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| 15:10.42 | dneary | X-Fade, The point is to force users to change their behaviour to signal explicitly when they are asking a question for the main meeting & not for the back-channel |
| 15:10.44 | tybollt | those little diddly ones that gets you call outs three in the morning for ... notta... I LOVE YOU false positives... |
| 15:10.54 | tybollt | </disgruntled admin> |
| 15:10.59 | dneary | noobmonk3y, Why do you say that? |
| 15:11.03 | X-Fade | dneary: Isn't that what meeting bots are for? |
| 15:11.41 | noobmonk3y | never seen him on irc :D - allthough granted i have only been on here for 2 months |
| 15:11.45 | dneary | X-Fade, That might be sufficient if every question asked on the back-channel got asked in the main meeting, but that's not the goal either |
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| 15:11.49 | noobmonk3y | X-Fade: good point |
| 15:12.12 | dneary | noobmonk3y, It's good that you recognise that you haven't been around for long |
| 15:12.16 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 15:12.19 | noobmonk3y | I r Newbie :D |
| 15:12.23 | X-Fade | dneary: http://meego.mkdir.name/logs/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-02-24-20.04.html |
| 15:12.26 | supertramp | anyone tried to encrypt the data partition? |
| 15:12.44 | X-Fade | dneary: That was generated out of the last meego meeting automagically. |
| 15:12.47 | noobmonk3y | throws newbies at Arif_ |
| 15:13.21 | dneary | X-Fade, I was there |
| 15:13.32 | dneary | The meeting was very frustrating |
| 15:13.59 | X-Fade | Hehe, try a conference call with 20 people ;) |
| 15:13.59 | dneary | X-Fade, And not at all the same thing as the online TSG meeting on Friday |
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| 15:14.25 | dneary | X-Fade, I used to chair conference calls with 15 people, and I think I did OK |
| 15:14.51 | dneary | X-Fade, The secret is having a good agenda |
| 15:15.18 | dneary | And establishing good flow |
| 15:15.21 | X-Fade | The secret is announcing the meeting in the first place ;) |
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| 15:15.47 | tybollt | dneary: helluva kick to be the one w/ the mute-button, innit? :) |
| 15:16.07 | nickma | you! |
| 15:16.32 | lcuk | "as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. " |
| 15:16.47 | tybollt | >:) |
| 15:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: I fail on setting regex for xchat highlight. Any hints? |
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| 15:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: a working example highly appreciated |
| 15:19.52 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: I didn't try a regex |
| 15:20.04 | dneary | I just added "QUESTION:" as a highlight phrase |
| 15:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | I C :-/ |
| 15:21.59 | MohammadAG | Does anyone use Nokia Messaging with folders? |
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| 15:39.38 | FullPolarFox | Maemo + Maemo = ? |
| 15:40.00 | hrw | how was bugday guys? |
| 15:40.09 | tybollt | FullPolarFox: drunk chix wrestling in corn pudding? |
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| 15:42.19 | FullPolarFox | tybollt Really? Do you have a pictures? |
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| 15:44.23 | MohammadAG | damn, can't change themes, oh well, I'm not reflashing for that |
| 15:45.00 | tybollt | MohammadAG: O_o pr out? |
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| 15:45.15 | MohammadAG | tybollt, err? |
| 15:46.12 | tybollt | why reflash? |
| 15:46.17 | tybollt | is there a new pr out? :) |
| 15:46.27 | MohammadAG | can't change my theme :) |
| 15:46.35 | MohammadAG | didn't mention any new update lol |
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| 15:47.21 | mgedmin | wishlist: the N900's unlock screen ought to show battery info, not just time |
| 15:47.24 | MohammadAG | tybollt, any idea what's the command to open the themes applet/app? |
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| 15:48.09 | tybollt | huh? that' |
| 15:48.13 | tybollt | s in settings??? |
| 15:48.30 | MohammadAG | tybollt, clicking it doesn't do anything |
| 15:48.42 | MohammadAG | neither does the one on hildon-home (the gears thing) |
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| 15:49.34 | tybollt | MohammadAG: -> reboot |
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| 15:50.12 | MohammadAG | tybollt, oh for real? :P |
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| 15:50.53 | MohammadAG | tybollt, I haven't been able to change themes for a while, reflashed, got rid of the problem, got bored of a short menu so I restored my apps :P |
| 15:52.04 | tybollt | MohammadAG: ugh, that's... bad :-| |
| 15:52.45 | Khertan | hum ... ubuntu one notes sync is down :è |
| 15:52.56 | hrw | nice, Qt 4.7 TP packages for maemo5 released |
| 15:53.05 | Corsac | Khertan: that's what you get for relying on the cloud |
| 15:53.08 | hrw | speedup nokia, speedup... |
| 15:53.18 | Khertan | Corsac: yes of course ... |
| 15:53.32 | Khertan | Corsac: but as i just update the new conboy version |
| 15:53.47 | Khertan | the first time i think it was a new bug in conboy :) |
| 15:53.58 | MohammadAG | tybollt, it's not that bad, it's just a theme |
| 15:54.08 | MohammadAG | just tried a hildon-theme-cache |
| 15:54.11 | MohammadAG | didn't work :/ |
| 15:55.02 | hrw | Khertan: you are conboy developer? |
| 15:55.09 | Khertan | nope |
| 15:55.14 | Khertan | just an user :) |
| 15:55.18 | Khertan | which like it :) |
| 15:55.18 | hrw | ah ok |
| 15:55.23 | hrw | I like it too |
| 15:55.44 | Khertan | anyway i ve style my developpment version of mNotes |
| 15:55.46 | MohammadAG | tybollt, can you check something for me? |
| 15:55.50 | Khertan | which is a clone of conboy |
| 15:55.57 | Khertan | with an sync :) |
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| 15:56.21 | Khertan | but i didn't see any interest to release a clone ... |
| 15:56.44 | MohammadAG | is this a full list of the (default) files in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel? http://pastebin.com/Z4ef228N |
| 15:56.47 | Khertan | it was just a turn arround for the time when the conboy sync wasn't implement |
| 15:56.48 | tybollt | MohammadAG: sure |
| 15:57.03 | tybollt | let me |
| 16:03.24 | MohammadAG | tybollt, actually nevermind, found out the app needed but I'm not sure what's wrong |
| 16:03.41 | tybollt | MohammadAG: you seem to have more entries in there than me so :D |
| 16:03.47 | MohammadAG | it's "personlisation_app", it should open the themes area |
| 16:04.14 | MohammadAG | tybollt, could be the LED pattern editor and some installed apps :) |
| 16:04.27 | MohammadAG | oh the Last.fm scrobbler and subtitles support |
| 16:04.42 | MohammadAG | though to be honest I've never used any |
| 16:05.06 | MohammadAG | tybollt, what does personalisation_app do on your N900? |
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| 16:10.41 | mece | asdf people! What is up? |
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| 16:12.37 | mece | wtf did I forget to put on deodorant or what? People are bailing like I'm the plague :P |
| 16:12.46 | Wild_Doogy | haha |
| 16:12.52 | Wild_Doogy | probably getting lunch |
| 16:13.05 | Wild_Doogy | thats my excuse, and I'm sticking to it :D |
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| 16:14.36 | Wild_Doogy | Happy St Patrick's Day all |
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| 16:16.45 | SpeedEvil | celebrates St Patrick's day. |
| 16:16.53 | Wild_Doogy | Anyone know how long you can leave the N900's flash LEDs on before they need to cool? |
| 16:16.54 | tybollt | hmm |
| 16:16.57 | SpeedEvil | gets the rest of the meal cooking to go with the green cabbage. |
| 16:17.16 | SpeedEvil | Wild_Doogy: Speaking from a theoretical POV - 10s should be fine. |
| 16:17.18 | SpeedEvil | SpeedEvil: oh |
| 16:17.21 | SpeedEvil | sighs |
| 16:17.26 | SpeedEvil | is confused! |
| 16:17.32 | SpeedEvil | Must be too much cabbage. |
| 16:17.35 | SpeedEvil | Anyway. |
| 16:17.45 | tybollt | no |
| 16:17.49 | SpeedEvil | the LEDs - in flashlight - not flash - mode - can be left on forever. |
| 16:17.50 | mece | SpeedEvil, perhaps some alcohol would clarify the situation? |
| 16:17.52 | tybollt | cabbage excess leads to gas excess |
| 16:17.55 | Wild_Doogy | St Patrick was English btw..... |
| 16:18.26 | SpeedEvil | I have done some simple testing to confirm this with a luxmeter. |
| 16:18.33 | SpeedEvil | After 1h - they are as bright as after 1 min |
| 16:18.47 | Wild_Doogy | SpeedEvil: oh good, cause I like to use them while working on projects as a lamp |
| 16:18.51 | Tobarja | is there a emulator/vm environment that'll simulate n810? |
| 16:18.53 | Wild_Doogy | thiers so nice and bright :-D |
| 16:19.02 | SpeedEvil | Wild_Doogy: they are. |
| 16:19.09 | mece | SpeedEvil, that's pretty cool. |
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| 16:19.34 | mece | Is there a working flashlight application in the repos? |
| 16:19.48 | SpeedEvil | the one that's there works |
| 16:19.51 | SpeedEvil | for me |
| 16:19.59 | SpeedEvil | it's annoying because of kernel and UI breakage. |
| 16:20.15 | Wild_Doogy | I have one installed, but it might be from extras |
| 16:20.19 | SpeedEvil | The flashlight is a twiddle on the video4linux capture driver. |
| 16:20.37 | SpeedEvil | so you can't turn it on without opening the capture driver - which breaks stuff. |
| 16:21.19 | SpeedEvil | the right - well - apart from integrating into camera - way to do this is to simply do another driver for just the LEDs, and then have the camera driver know it might not be the only one in control |
| 16:21.28 | Wild_Doogy | *** wishes that you didnt have to open the slider, wait for camera, close camera, open menu, to0 turn the flashlight on |
| 16:21.48 | VDVsx | wow: 5031846 dowloads at maemo.org :D |
| 16:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | what to select for lockscreen here: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Maemo Official Platform |
| 16:21.51 | SpeedEvil | Then it's just a matter of drilling a couple of holes in the cover, and plugging them with appropriate plastic |
| 16:22.23 | mece | well extras is one of the repos I mentioned.. |
| 16:22.31 | mece | what is it called? |
| 16:22.34 | X-Fade | Wild_Doogy: Remove the lens cover and glue the magnet to the contact ;) |
| 16:22.37 | SpeedEvil | 'flashlight' |
| 16:22.49 | mece | SpeedEvil, wow. Who knew? |
| 16:23.10 | Wild_Doogy | X-Fade: so it thinks that the slider is always open? |
| 16:23.25 | Wild_Doogy | that sounds like a good idea that doesnt break things..... |
| 16:23.44 | X-Fade | Wild_Doogy: Well, your mileage may vary. |
| 16:24.02 | Wild_Doogy | haha |
| 16:24.13 | Wild_Doogy | looking at it now |
| 16:24.40 | mece | anyone have a good idea how to strip alpha channel from a gdk.pixbuf? |
| 16:24.46 | Wild_Doogy | lens = dirty |
| 16:25.36 | MohammadAG | <Wild_Doogy> *** wishes that you didnt have to open the slider, wait for camera, close camera, open menu, to0 turn the flashlight on |
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| 16:25.42 | MohammadAG | kill the camera-ui! :p |
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| 16:26.01 | Khertan | bye |
| 16:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: cma slider isn't magnet, it's IR-relective sensor |
| 16:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? camera* |
| 16:26.31 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Ah, right. The black/white strip. |
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| 16:27.16 | Wild_Doogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, question, doesn't that take more battery? |
| 16:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: in theory yes. In practice it seems to be some uA avrg |
| 16:27.57 | Wild_Doogy | MohammadAG: Kill the camera as in make it not autostart when the slider is opened? |
| 16:28.07 | MohammadAG | Wild_Doogy, yes |
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| 16:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seems that doesn't help much |
| 16:28.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ah so it's a mater of 5 secs or so from the battery |
| 16:28.39 | Wild_Doogy | I looked into that, but I couldnt find the file I needed to kill |
| 16:28.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why? |
| 16:28.47 | MohammadAG | camera-ui |
| 16:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | omap3-camerad and cameraUI are autostarted aiui |
| 16:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | you also need to fiddle with mce and dsme |
| 16:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | (wild guessing) |
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| 16:32.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui |
| 16:32.42 | MohammadAG | works for me :) |
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| 16:33.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, set it to autostart and there you have it :) |
| 16:33.44 | RST38h | "Let me put it this way, my kids saw the movie, and my kids know I'm a miner, and they didn't say anything to me," said Peter Kukielski, head of mining operations for ArcelorMittal, the world's largest steelmaker. "They didn't say a thing, and they loved the movie. They saw it twice," he told the Reuters Global Mining and Steel Summit in New York this week. |
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| 16:34.32 | mece | RST38h, huh? |
| 16:34.42 | RST38h | mece: his kids saw Avatar =) |
| 16:34.47 | RST38h | cackles |
| 16:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | well, I just repeat my suggestion to replace the camera-ui popup on slider-open by a menu with a slider for torch brightness (while immediately activating the LEDs on selected brightness) plus 2 buttons to start still-cam and video-cam |
| 16:34.55 | mece | oh.. righty. |
| 16:35.04 | mece | well very little mining in that movie. |
| 16:35.24 | RST38h | mece: Plenty of executives though, I assume? |
| 16:35.50 | RST38h | DocS: Probably impossible or very difficult given that this part is proprietary |
| 16:35.51 | mece | RST38h, haha yeas. Eebil corporate execs! |
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| 16:37.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, or that, it is better than 'killing' the UI since it requires 5 seconds to start loading the UI |
| 16:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | always thought the lack of a prominent place to select video vs still is a usability flaw anyway |
| 16:38.16 | Wild_Doogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.24 | Wild_Doogy | but I dont know where to start .... |
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| 16:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | other apps like barcode reader etc might link in to that menu popping up on camslider-open |
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| 16:39.54 | Wild_Doogy | It might be able to use the same framework as all the the other menus such as the notification menu |
| 16:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: well, I'm pretty lost on where to start with this, as well |
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| 16:41.37 | Wild_Doogy | is there any way to find out what commands get activated on -shutter slide-? |
| 16:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | points to mce |
| 16:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | >:-( |
| 16:42.30 | Wild_Doogy | -googles MCE- |
| 16:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | s/google/ps x/ |
| 16:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | machine control entity, probably |
| 16:43.36 | Wild_Doogy | ah |
| 16:43.52 | Wild_Doogy | I see that the notification LED is controlled from mce.ini |
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| 16:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | not camslider though >:-(( |
| 16:44.20 | Wild_Doogy | where is this mystical mce.ini ? |
| 16:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | /etc ? |
| 16:44.48 | Wild_Doogy | I assume you have already looked through it? |
| 16:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 16:44.54 | Wild_Doogy | -looks anyway- |
| 16:44.59 | Wild_Doogy | :-D |
| 16:45.24 | Wild_Doogy | its fun poking around in random files |
| 16:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | ponders poking around randomly in mce binary :-P |
| 16:46.51 | Wild_Doogy | -wonders how to do the triple star thing, and cowers at the thought of poking around in binary.- |
| 16:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | cursing messybox based system, for lack of basic things like 'strings' |
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| 16:47.19 | Wild_Doogy | is that why its called "messybox" ?? |
| 16:47.28 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: or simply if phone pointing down when slider opened - start torch |
| 16:47.45 | SpeedEvil | (with a large button to really start camera) |
| 16:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also a nice idea |
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| 16:48.10 | mece | Wild_Doogy, What triple star thing? You mean "/me does this and that"? |
| 16:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | just make that TWO buttons: stillcam and videocam |
| 16:48.40 | Wild_Doogy | yes the /me does thing |
| 16:48.59 | mece | uses /me to emote :) |
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| 16:49.20 | Wild_Doogy | the camera app fails to open when the flaslight has control |
| 16:49.24 | Wild_Doogy | ......... |
| 16:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | a can of worms |
| 16:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | the system architecture is mere BS |
| 16:50.13 | Wild_Doogy | heh |
| 16:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia never thought of having any other app taking control of the cam thing |
| 16:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 16:50.58 | supertramp | damn where are the fucking manpages :) |
| 16:50.58 | Wild_Doogy | ......... |
| 16:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | YEAH |
| 16:51.15 | VDVsx | begs for a rumors&speculation sub-fora at tmo |
| 16:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | where's the friggin mandb package |
| 16:51.40 | Wild_Doogy | are nokia apps open source? |
| 16:51.48 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 16:51.53 | supertramp | hell no |
| 16:51.53 | SpeedEvil | generally not |
| 16:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | that's the crux |
| 16:52.02 | supertramp | :) |
| 16:52.08 | Wild_Doogy | lol |
| 16:52.18 | Wild_Doogy | that makes lots of sence >_> |
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| 16:53.17 | supertramp | man pages and chm reader |
| 16:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | no source, no specs, no manpages, no dbus introspection... |
| 16:53.40 | supertramp | I *hate* newbies |
| 16:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | shoves a waggonload of *.chm down supertramp's throat |
| 16:55.00 | Wild_Doogy | I hope I have enough knowlege that you dont 'hate' me, I could settle for 'smoldering dislike' |
| 16:56.23 | RST38h | Did you apply the Turing test to Wild_Doogy BTW? |
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| 16:57.04 | RST38h | 'Cause if it fails the Turing test, the Geneva Convention does not apply to it =) |
| 16:58.50 | Wild_Doogy | Harr Harr...... |
| 16:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | smells the #maemo standard hostile mood getting momentum, and waves |
| 17:03.18 | supertramp | ha - fbreader |
| 17:04.36 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 17:04.59 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I think the hostility is all comming from the meego fanboi/astroturfer bunch... (IMHO) |
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| 17:16.29 | MohammadAG | tmo down? |
| 17:17.21 | tybollt | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 17:17.29 | tybollt | It's not just you! http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here. |
| 17:17.29 | tybollt | Check another site? |
| 17:17.51 | Wild_Doogy | Nice site! |
| 17:18.26 | nidO | i'll stick to alertra. :P |
| 17:19.03 | satmd | up for me |
| 17:19.40 | tybollt | satmd: BS :) |
| 17:20.16 | Wild_Doogy | seems up for me as well |
| 17:20.40 | nidO | (tmo is working fine for me as well btw) |
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| 17:21.28 | Khertan | Hello again ! |
| 17:21.46 | tybollt | hrrm |
| 17:21.53 | tybollt | tmo might've come back up then |
| 17:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | DocScrutinizer, where do you shove me? |
| 17:22.27 | Khertan | i'm trying made theme in pygtkeditor but i ve a little probleme with the color of the textview border |
| 17:22.34 | Khertan | i didn t found a way to set it |
| 17:22.51 | Khertan | does it can be set ? |
| 17:23.00 | RichardP | i dont spose anyone has ported Mono to Maemo yet? :) |
| 17:23.32 | nidO | http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo ? |
| 17:23.32 | Khertan | i ve tryed to set base color, bg, fg ... on window, pannablearea, and textview |
| 17:23.38 | Khertan | but without any success |
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| 17:23.55 | Khertan | any other idea ? |
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| 17:24.28 | Khertan | it seems to be specific to the hildon textview |
| 17:24.38 | RichardP | nidO: ok, i love you |
| 17:25.04 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 17:25.04 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:26.05 | Khertan | ok noone know |
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| 17:32.45 | cpasjuste | is it possible to mount the flash partition where the kernel is located to update it on the device ? |
| 17:32.59 | cpasjuste | is it possible to mount the flash partition where the kernel is located to update it on the n900 device ? |
| 17:33.18 | Khertan | someone know an other http/irc client that work on freenode ? |
| 17:33.26 | Khertan | mibbit is black listed |
| 17:33.29 | aep | cpasjuste: nope. |
| 17:33.33 | cpasjuste | aep :x |
| 17:33.44 | cpasjuste | else is there a tool to flash it from the device ? |
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| 17:34.01 | Khertan | and the default webchat on freenode is unstable |
| 17:34.19 | MohammadAG | the kernel can be updated OTA cpasjuste |
| 17:34.23 | cpasjuste | hum i found kernel-flasher |
| 17:34.26 | MohammadAG | XChat Khertan? |
| 17:34.42 | MohammadAG | or PJIRC |
| 17:34.51 | aep | ther is also http://java.freenode.net/ |
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| 17:34.58 | aep | (which differs from webchat.freenode) |
| 17:35.00 | Khertan | something that works throught port 80 |
| 17:35.11 | aep | a vpn does :P |
| 17:35.24 | Khertan | everythings else than http or https is blolcked by my phone isp |
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| 17:35.37 | Khertan | aep : nope vpn is blocked too now |
| 17:35.39 | nidO | sucky isp :< |
| 17:35.42 | aep | ew |
| 17:35.47 | Khertan | yep |
| 17:35.48 | Khertan | sfr |
| 17:35.55 | aep | well vpn works through port80 |
| 17:36.02 | Khertan | nope |
| 17:36.03 | aep | can even pierce a stateful firewall, if you have to |
| 17:36.40 | Khertan | :( |
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| 17:37.00 | Khertan | the proxy analyse things and block it |
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| 17:37.30 | aep | yeah. typical. can be worked around though |
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| 17:37.50 | cehteh | has openvpn on tcp/443 :) |
| 17:38.17 | Khertan | aep ... i ve tryed ... but as they corrupt data randomly |
| 17:38.22 | Khertan | it s a bit diffucult |
| 17:38.35 | cehteh | openvpn can tunnel through http/https that would even cheat firewalls which do packet inspection |
| 17:38.36 | aep | openvpn has a couple of tools |
| 17:38.39 | jaska | sounds awfully national-socialist |
| 17:38.48 | Khertan | http://java.freenode.net/ doesn t work on n900 of course |
| 17:39.20 | Khertan | cehteh : yep but they seems to have a great packet inspection |
| 17:39.23 | aep | you need to have control over a server though to use most of the firewall workarounds |
| 17:39.43 | Khertan | aep : yep i know |
| 17:39.47 | aep | if https is allowed you can always find a way through |
| 17:40.13 | aep | although... get a different isp? |
| 17:40.16 | Khertan | aep : yep install my own web2irc php server |
| 17:40.17 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:40.23 | aep | that'll do |
| 17:40.57 | tybollt | SUDO make me a sandwich |
| 17:41.08 | Khertan | aep : ... it a bit all the same ... or be prepared to paid 89Euros by month for a 3G unlimited (limited to 1Go by month) |
| 17:41.35 | Khertan | yep they call all their data plan unlimited ... |
| 17:41.41 | aep | Khertan: my isp has two dialin servers btw. one of them is unfiltered |
| 17:41.44 | Khertan | but they all limit it |
| 17:42.07 | Khertan | aep: me too ... the unfiltered one cost 1Euro by Mo |
| 17:42.11 | aep | i have unlimited, where 200mb is free and the rest is unlimited expensive :D |
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| 17:42.53 | Khertan | :) |
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| 17:43.02 | aep | 3g remains ripof. best find open wifi |
| 17:43.05 | cehteh | has cheap prepaid and can do anything |
| 17:43.13 | Khertan | phone isp sucks in france |
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| 17:43.31 | Khertan | aep ... a bit difficult in the train anyway :) |
| 17:43.42 | cehteh | uhm i am close to the french border .. i didnt checked what data roaming costs |
| 17:43.45 | tybollt | naw |
| 17:43.53 | tybollt | open wifi doesn't really exist anymore |
| 17:43.57 | tybollt | better just use 3G |
| 17:44.01 | tybollt | 3G++ |
| 17:44.21 | cehteh | openvpn over dns tunnel :) |
| 17:44.33 | cehteh | has to play with that someday |
| 17:44.36 | C-S-B | open wifi? tunnel over dns or accidentally crack wep :) |
| 17:44.40 | C-S-B | I always have web |
| 17:44.42 | Khertan | cehteh the last record made by a orange users is 50 000 Euros in one week |
| 17:44.43 | tybollt | cehteh: openvpn over icmp? :-o |
| 17:44.47 | Khertan | cheap data roaming |
| 17:44.53 | Corsac | Khertan: I pay 55€ I think |
| 17:44.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:45.04 | cehteh | icmp, at least in some parts is often blocked, but dns not |
| 17:45.17 | Corsac | (and it'll be less once I have right to lower my voice plan) |
| 17:45.24 | cehteh | i think i paied less than 20€ since december :P |
| 17:45.31 | C-S-B | cehteh, do you use iodine? |
| 17:45.53 | Khertan | Corsac ? with a french isp data plan ? |
| 17:46.00 | Khertan | hum icmp is block too :) |
| 17:46.03 | Khertan | huhu |
| 17:46.11 | cehteh | C-S-B: i used it once, but a friend told me that there is a tool which opens a tunnel for only one tcp connection which is way more reliable, i'll try that next time |
| 17:46.27 | aep | tybollt: there is enough "open" wifi |
| 17:46.41 | cehteh | if you can ssh or openvpn through it you are done anyways |
| 17:46.44 | tybollt | huhuh? |
| 17:46.48 | C-S-B | cehteh, whats that tool? |
| 17:46.49 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 17:46.49 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:46.54 | tybollt | windows phone 7 w/out cut'n'paste? |
| 17:47.03 | tybollt | what the hell were those asshats thinking? |
| 17:47.07 | Corsac | Khertan: orange yes |
| 17:47.14 | thresh | tybollt: about apple patents? |
| 17:47.14 | cehteh | C-S-B: dunno have to search iirc it has such a simple intuitive name like 'dnstunnel' :) |
| 17:47.16 | aep | tybollt: prevent piracy where you can. |
| 17:47.17 | Corsac | Khertan: origami star plus or something like that |
| 17:47.18 | C-S-B | cehteh, you mean straight forward root@host -p 53 |
| 17:47.42 | nidO | "windows phone 7 without cut'n'paste" or "really early preview that doesnt have that feature yet"? |
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| 17:47.49 | cehteh | dunno i didnt looked at it yet |
| 17:47.58 | tybollt | aep: no in Stockholm/Sweden there are virtually no open wifis anymore |
| 17:48.15 | aep | you didnt get the hint. "open" |
| 17:48.16 | C-S-B | Too many people use WEP. I dont see the point. |
| 17:48.18 | cehteh | neither in my neighborhood, guess why :> |
| 17:48.23 | tybollt | thresh: Gawk... apple owns "cut'n'paste"? :D |
| 17:48.37 | tybollt | aep: meh :) |
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| 17:49.02 | cehteh | thinks about opening his wlan ... but ssh only |
| 17:49.12 | cehteh | who knows how to use it deserves it :) |
| 17:50.40 | Arif_ | haxes cehteh's internet |
| 17:50.52 | cehteh | hehe |
| 17:52.22 | tybollt | not sure how quick cracking a typical wep is |
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| 17:52.34 | tybollt | but WPA, that's still a lot of time, innit? |
| 17:52.35 | nidO | between fuck all and not long |
| 17:52.39 | nidO | wpa takes longer |
| 17:53.56 | cehteh | wep is matter of a minute |
| 17:53.56 | Arif_ | gets his backtrack usb stick |
| 17:53.57 | nidO | tbh it's about time devices started shipping with no wep support |
| 17:54.09 | Arif_ | what about no security by default |
| 17:54.09 | Arif_ | :D |
| 17:54.23 | nidO | well, thats what shipping with wep by default is |
| 17:54.26 | cehteh | web is enough to be safe on the legally side here |
| 17:54.56 | cehteh | if someone cracks it and does something bad he is responsible ... if you have a open wlan then you are responsible for anything people do over it |
| 17:55.30 | Arif_ | The Nintondo DS doesn't support WPA |
| 17:55.31 | Arif_ | :D |
| 17:55.39 | nidO | thats a strange take on law, but it can also sting you the other way round |
| 17:56.15 | tybollt | yeah |
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| 17:56.36 | nidO | most judges know as much about IT security as the bag of crisps I just ate, here at least if your router's "secured" with wep and your connection's used illegally, theyll just believe you did it as the router's "secure" |
| 17:56.41 | tybollt | but then it's pretty widely known that Nintendo only support on their current HW what others supported five years ago |
| 17:57.09 | tybollt | if it wasn't for the absolutely BRILLIANT story tellers are nintendo they'd be bankrupt olready :) |
| 17:58.03 | Arif_ | yeah |
| 17:58.07 | Arif_ | Mario has a great storyline |
| 17:58.08 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 17:58.48 | tybollt | shrug - people pay money for that shit |
| 17:59.07 | Arif_ | (Zelda doesn't sell as well as you might think :D) |
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| 18:01.48 | vanadismobile | test |
| 18:01.57 | Arif_ | moo |
| 18:02.21 | vanadismobile | can anybody please respond to me? |
| 18:02.24 | tybollt | vanadismobile: didn't work, sorry, have to retry |
| 18:02.34 | vanadismobile | tybollt, kthx |
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| 18:03.11 | Arif_ | drives over vanadismobile's N900 |
| 18:03.20 | vanadismobile | had recently some problems with xchat on n900 |
| 18:03.40 | Arif_ | I couldn't find a font size option in XChat |
| 18:04.16 | vanadismobile | settings - preferences |
| 18:04.45 | cehteh | its there .. search harder |
| 18:04.54 | Arif_ | I will! |
| 18:04.56 | Arif_ | someday |
| 18:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | cpasjuste: flasher --local |
| 18:06.16 | cpasjuste | yep thanks :) |
| 18:06.24 | cpasjuste | just discovered that |
| 18:08.51 | cehteh | vanadismobile: such as? |
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| 18:08.57 | cehteh | (problems) |
| 18:09.35 | vanadismobile | cehteh, couldn't post |
| 18:09.52 | vanadismobile | also with umlauts |
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| 18:10.30 | cehteh | ok, not my beer :P |
| 18:10.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, although I'm sure it's not possible, it wouldn't hurt to ask, can I enable R&D mode using flasher --local? |
| 18:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | seems no |
| 18:10.57 | cehteh | got not bug reports for the notification plugin, guess it works :P |
| 18:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: flasher even failed to report current settings |
| 18:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: obviously the --local is a half-ass hack |
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| 18:12.38 | realitygaps | can anyone help me get the volume control back? i have the same problem as http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45444 |
| 18:13.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I see, and it's closed source so that can't be 'fixed' |
| 18:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | as usual |
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| 18:16.13 | Noobmonk3y | blinks |
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| 18:18.31 | ds3 | is there better email client for the N900? |
| 18:18.51 | MiXu- | define better |
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| 18:19.48 | MiXu- | I recall hearing that PR1.2 is bringing some improvements. Can't remember where I heard that though. |
| 18:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | recalls several times claws was mentioned |
| 18:20.20 | ds3 | better as in letting me use multiple From addresses |
| 18:20.31 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: is claws available on the N900? |
| 18:20.45 | ds3 | claws does 95% of what I want (the other 5% is the lack of integration) |
| 18:21.08 | ds3 | didn't see it in the stock repos and I haven't gotten to finding the list of repos and how to add them to the new app mgr |
| 18:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: seems like it is, otherwise people wouldn't mention it as an alternative mailer ? |
| 18:21.38 | valdyn | ds3: its in extras-devel I think |
| 18:21.54 | valdyn | ds3: but beside that you can get anything via easy-debian too |
| 18:22.29 | ds3 | valdyn: how do I add a repo in this UI? previously, I can get to menus with the menu key but I am still lost as to how to do that |
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| 18:23.07 | valdyn | ds3: in the package manager click on the title |
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| 18:23.59 | ds3 | got it |
| 18:24.00 | realitygaps | noone has any ida how i can get the volume control and volume osd back? |
| 18:24.09 | realitygaps | i mean idea .... |
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| 18:48.35 | mece | to moo or ! to moo |
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| 19:17.41 | Arif_ | where's everyone on a wednesday evening :P |
| 19:18.21 | electronicsjar | does anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory? |
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| 19:20.09 | SpeedEvil | Arif_: On the sofa |
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| 19:22.38 | TomaszD_ | one time you to a theatre and the play is late... |
| 19:22.58 | colonelqubit | I just registered for talk.maemo.org, but can't figure out how to PM. Clicking the PMs link in the sidebar gives me "you do not have permission to access this page." Is this an expected error? |
| 19:23.28 | dockside | does any of the maemo folks know if you were accepted to GSoC? |
| 19:23.53 | MohammadAG | colonelqubit, I think you need to have some posts |
| 19:24.03 | MohammadAG | colonelqubit, make sure you confirmed your account |
| 19:24.08 | colonelqubit | MohammadAG: it's confirmed |
| 19:24.19 | electronicsjar | does anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory? |
| 19:24.31 | MohammadAG | could be the posts then, ask a mod on here |
| 19:24.31 | colonelqubit | I mean, I got an auto-email, clicked the link, then got what appeared to be an email reply back. |
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| 19:26.09 | colonelqubit | If I need posts, "you do not have permission to access this page" isn't exactly the error message I would use... :P |
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| 19:29.33 | cpasjuste | hum, latest maemo release do not use g_ether anymore ? |
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| 19:31.16 | timeless_mbp | khertan, webchat.freenode.net should work |
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| 19:41.04 | electronicsjar | does anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory? |
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| 19:42.04 | spliffy | cpasjuste: i used g_ether successfulla a week ago, so if there was no new firmware release today the answer is no |
| 19:42.39 | cpasjuste | hum well the module do not seems to be loader at all, and do not exist in the module dir |
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| 19:43.36 | spliffy | cpasjuste: may i ask what is your background? user? developer/geek? |
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| 19:43.55 | cpasjuste | i would say devel |
| 19:44.08 | spliffy | just so i don't propose developer tools to users :) |
| 19:44.10 | cpasjuste | not the best one tought ;) |
| 19:44.35 | spliffy | there is this one tool .. what's its name again? |
| 19:44.41 | cpasjuste | actually i'm trying to see why the "flasher" utility do not work from bootmenu.sh script |
| 19:44.44 | spliffy | it has a button to load g_ether |
| 19:45.15 | spliffy | i don't know how it does it. maybe it's doing something special. |
| 19:46.50 | spliffy | something like "mad developer" |
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| 19:54.30 | MohammadAG_ | iidkdk hohoww bbuutt ii bbrorokkee tthhee kkeeyybbooaarrdd |
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| 19:55.20 | MohammadAG_ | nvm fixed x.x |
| 19:55.46 | Arif_ | lol |
| 19:55.53 | Arif_ | double the communication! |
| 19:56.37 | MohammadAG_ | kinda weird |
| 19:57.18 | MohammadAG_ | renice-ing the media player to 20 makes it super quick! |
| 19:57.32 | Arif_ | what? |
| 19:57.39 | RST38h | Ahhaha |
| 19:58.10 | RST38h | Mohammad: Does it still play videos jitter free? |
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| 19:58.47 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, lemme check, but audio doesn't stutter at +1.00 load |
| 19:58.55 | MohammadAG_ | with the browser open |
| 19:59.27 | RST38h | considers renicing browser |
| 20:00.43 | Arif_ | the media player works nice for me when it doesn't crash |
| 20:00.45 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, video seems to be the same :( |
| 20:00.54 | Arif_ | it just stutters if I come near the phone |
| 20:00.54 | Arif_ | :P |
| 20:00.58 | MohammadAG_ | never crashes here |
| 20:01.18 | MohammadAG_ | it stutters when i switch apps |
| 20:01.19 | MohammadAG_ | now it doesn't |
| 20:01.36 | Arif_ | oh well |
| 20:01.40 | Arif_ | kmplayer is even worse |
| 20:01.46 | Arif_ | it stutters when unlocking/locking the phone:D |
| 20:02.05 | RST38h | mplayer+SiB ftw |
| 20:02.15 | Arif_ | does sib stream radio/tv? |
| 20:02.25 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, is it better than kmplayer? |
| 20:02.39 | Arif_ | kmplayer needs a "repeat" option |
| 20:02.44 | RST38h | Anything is |
| 20:02.48 | MohammadAG_ | personally i use mplayer itself (yes i like to type stuff to play videos) |
| 20:02.51 | Arif_ | it gets tiring having to press play every 10 minutes |
| 20:02.55 | Arif_ | when it disconnects |
| 20:02.55 | Arif_ | :D |
| 20:03.10 | RST38h | is missing a few features found in the Maemo4 mplayer though |
| 20:03.22 | Arif_ | like? |
| 20:03.26 | MohammadAG_ | like? |
| 20:03.31 | RST38h | It had a nice OSD menu |
| 20:03.35 | MohammadAG_ | i missed 4 complete OSs :( |
| 20:03.38 | RST38h | The new one does not |
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| 20:03.44 | MohammadAG_ | oh |
| 20:03.55 | RST38h | Actually, I would not be against including file selection into that same OSD menu |
| 20:03.59 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, download the diablo source, build it, optify, install |
| 20:04.04 | MohammadAG_ | OSD back :p |
| 20:04.16 | RST38h | Mohammad: I am maintaining too much stuff on Maemo already =( |
| 20:04.35 | MohammadAG_ | never knew you uploaded packages o.O |
| 20:04.46 | RST38h | Mohammad: Basically, if I take on mplayer as well, you will not get updates to XChat or FBReader or something else |
| 20:05.01 | MohammadAG_ | screw mplayer :p |
| 20:05.11 | Arif_ | oh so you made the XChat menu so small |
| 20:05.12 | MohammadAG_ | what's FBreader? |
| 20:05.12 | Arif_ | :P |
| 20:05.14 | RST38h | So, somebody else should have the honour |
| 20:05.30 | RST38h | Arif: Nah, has always been like that |
| 20:05.33 | MohammadAG_ | ebook reader, nvm |
| 20:05.45 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, it's the same as the pc version |
| 20:05.54 | MohammadAG_ | without libsexy (I think) |
| 20:05.57 | Arif_ | I never used the PC version |
| 20:05.59 | RST38h | There appears to be a way to make it bigger, more usable for the fingers |
| 20:06.11 | Arif_ | but I had a hard time poking it with my fingers |
| 20:06.12 | RST38h | libsexy has problems with Hildoninzed GTK+ |
| 20:06.12 | MohammadAG_ | it crashed the settings i think |
| 20:06.22 | RST38h | Yep |
| 20:06.26 | Arif_ | what does libsexy do? |
| 20:06.27 | RST38h | Weeelll... |
| 20:06.31 | MohammadAG_ | i think it's big enough :p |
| 20:06.38 | RST38h | Attaching libsexy to a gtk input widget crashed the whole thing |
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| 20:06.44 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, spell check |
| 20:06.47 | Arif_ | oh |
| 20:06.50 | Arif_ | not important |
| 20:07.06 | Arif_ | me spleel gut :D |
| 20:07.07 | RST38h | More importantly, XChat had a couple of timers that drained n900 battery |
| 20:07.12 | MohammadAG_ | yaeh, woh uese spel chek nyways? |
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| 20:07.24 | Arif_ | moomo has auto complete anyway |
| 20:07.28 | MohammadAG_ | :p |
| 20:07.35 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, timers? |
| 20:07.54 | RST38h | Mohammad: basically, having ticking timers is a bad thing on Maemo |
| 20:07.55 | MohammadAG_ | sometimes i tab normal words :( |
| 20:08.11 | MohammadAG_ | timers for what? |
| 20:08.26 | RST38h | Mohammad: DCC transfer checks, connection check, etc |
| 20:08.31 | MohammadAG_ | hates how killall doesn't support wildcards |
| 20:08.36 | MohammadAG_ | wanted to try killall * |
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| 20:08.50 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, oh |
| 20:09.09 | ds3 | (cd /proc; kill [0-9]*) |
| 20:09.14 | ds3 | anything else? |
| 20:09.33 | MohammadAG_ | ds3, thanks :P |
| 20:09.42 | RST38h | that will probably overload the command line |
| 20:09.47 | MohammadAG_ | will try it when i get to xchat (on my pc) |
| 20:09.52 | RST38h | but there is always xargs -n1 for that =) |
| 20:09.53 | ds3 | FINE |
| 20:10.01 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, eitherwayit will reboot :p |
| 20:10.11 | ds3 | (cd /proc; find . -name '[0-9]*' | xargs kill ) |
| 20:10.17 | MohammadAG_ | + space* |
| 20:10.18 | ds3 | anything ELSE? :D |
| 20:10.26 | RST38h | DESTROY! |
| 20:10.30 | MohammadAG_ | popcorn please |
| 20:10.35 | MohammadAG_ | :p |
| 20:10.48 | MohammadAG_ | oh and a ds3 (dualshock3) :P |
| 20:11.11 | Arif_ | I'd like a sixaxis controller |
| 20:11.14 | Arif_ | to play SNES |
| 20:11.15 | Arif_ | :D |
| 20:11.22 | thresh | oh btw |
| 20:11.24 | thresh | is it possible? |
| 20:11.29 | MohammadAG_ | has 4 |
| 20:11.34 | Arif_ | oh |
| 20:11.34 | MohammadAG_ | oh, make that 5 |
| 20:11.35 | thresh | i mean, to connect sixaxis to n900 |
| 20:11.39 | Arif_ | yes |
| 20:11.41 | pronto | i've dont thatt |
| 20:11.43 | pronto | done* |
| 20:11.47 | Arif_ | apparently it is |
| 20:11.47 | Arif_ | :P |
| 20:11.50 | MohammadAG_ | thresh, to? |
| 20:11.51 | pronto | sixaix + n900 + snes+ tv out = win |
| 20:11.54 | MohammadAG_ | yeah |
| 20:11.58 | thresh | MohammadAG_: uhm? |
| 20:12.03 | MohammadAG_ | use it with picodrive |
| 20:12.06 | Arif_ | anyone have a Weeeemote with a classic controller? |
| 20:12.12 | Arif_ | picodrive? |
| 20:12.13 | RST38h | sixaxis is probably bigger than the n900 |
| 20:12.16 | Arif_ | is it ported to N900? |
| 20:12.20 | MohammadAG_ | and supertux (lost count how many times i've played it) |
| 20:12.24 | pronto | one of my friends was bragging about his iphone, i took out the ps3 controller and tv out, and was like haha! |
| 20:12.27 | pronto | lol |
| 20:12.29 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, megadrive/genesis emulator |
| 20:12.35 | MohammadAG_ | thresh, freenode lags for me |
| 20:12.40 | thresh | ah alright |
| 20:12.42 | Arif_ | but is it on the N900! |
| 20:12.42 | pronto | i really want the n64 emulator on the n900 |
| 20:12.50 | pronto | mupen64 |
| 20:12.56 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, yesterday it was, runs @ 60fps, it's in extras-devel |
| 20:13.03 | Arif_ | sweet |
| 20:13.11 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, again yeah |
| 20:13.18 | Arif_ | runs to rapidshare |
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| 20:13.36 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, run to extras-devel first |
| 20:13.44 | Arif_ | I need roms first |
| 20:13.44 | Arif_ | :D |
| 20:13.50 | MohammadAG_ | usual warnings, but i assume you know that |
| 20:13.58 | Arif_ | yea yea |
| 20:14.07 | Arif_ | my phone'll do a lapdance if I install the right app |
| 20:14.08 | Arif_ | or something |
| 20:14.19 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, multitask, run the install, download the roms |
| 20:14.26 | RST38h | So, has tmo experienced a collective orgasm after PicoDrive went to Extras-Devel? |
| 20:14.31 | Arif_ | yea |
| 20:14.33 | Arif_ | multitasking ftw |
| 20:14.42 | MohammadAG_ | i'm amazed at how quick/fast it runs |
| 20:14.48 | MohammadAG_ | 60fps |
| 20:14.49 | Arif_ | oh please |
| 20:14.52 | Arif_ | it ran fine on the 6600 |
| 20:14.53 | Arif_ | :P |
| 20:14.58 | MohammadAG_ | my n97 ran it at about 20 i think |
| 20:15.11 | MohammadAG_ | half the RES |
| 20:15.19 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, not @ 60fps :) |
| 20:15.37 | Arif_ | maybe 50 |
| 20:15.49 | Arif_ | the N91 ran it fine too |
| 20:15.56 | MohammadAG_ | misses his N97 form factor |
| 20:16.12 | Arif_ | misses his N95 speakers and N91 headphone output |
| 20:16.15 | MohammadAG_ | prefers not to remember eveything else about the N97 |
| 20:16.22 | MohammadAG_ | anything* |
| 20:16.35 | MohammadAG_ | 5800 speakers were better |
| 20:16.46 | MohammadAG_ | but yeah, the N95 had comparable ones |
| 20:16.47 | Arif_ | you're right |
| 20:16.53 | MohammadAG_ | best i've had |
| 20:17.00 | Arif_ | I only used the 5800 for a while though |
| 20:17.04 | MohammadAG_ | never owned a 5800 |
| 20:17.08 | MohammadAG_ | camera was a downgrade |
| 20:17.22 | Arif_ | only thing that stopped me was lack of coreplayer |
| 20:17.28 | RST38h | 5800 is nice |
| 20:17.29 | MohammadAG_ | the X6 has good speakers too i think |
| 20:17.39 | MohammadAG_ | oh screw them, i'll get a stereo and connect it |
| 20:17.58 | Arif_ | I hope Nokia makes a Moogo device with real speakers |
| 20:18.14 | MohammadAG_ | moogo? |
| 20:18.18 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 20:18.32 | Arif_ | yeah |
| 20:18.35 | Arif_ | they should call it moogo :D |
| 20:18.42 | tybollt | mongoo |
| 20:18.57 | RST38h | just call it maeblin |
| 20:19.16 | RST38h | will become an instant hit in .ru |
| 20:20.02 | MohammadAG_ | NooGo |
| 20:20.06 | MohammadAG_ | hate RPM |
| 20:20.14 | MohammadAG_ | lol RST38h |
| 20:20.27 | Arif_ | what does it mean :p |
| 20:20.38 | RST38h | Arif: something like mofucklin |
| 20:20.45 | Arif_ | :D |
| 20:20.54 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, would running a script from a script cause memory issues? |
| 20:21.10 | RST38h | Mohammad: Not unless you do it recursively many times |
| 20:21.22 | RST38h | Every script will start in its own copy of the shell |
| 20:21.33 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, that's what i'm planning to do |
| 20:21.38 | thresh | rpm ftw |
| 20:21.53 | MohammadAG_ | debian! |
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| 20:22.07 | Stskeeps | excellent, vbulletin for meego |
| 20:22.08 | MohammadAG_ | actually, i never tried it extensively |
| 20:22.16 | MohammadAG_ | used fedora for three days |
| 20:22.23 | RST38h | Stskeeps: What is the decision on the CMS? |
| 20:22.46 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no idea |
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| 20:28.24 | Arif_ | whoever ported picodrive |
| 20:28.27 | Arif_ | did some funny stuff :D |
| 20:28.58 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, can you type the pipe symbol? |
| 20:29.07 | Arif_ | | |
| 20:29.08 | MohammadAG_ | broke my Sym 'menu' |
| 20:29.18 | MohammadAG_ | ty :) |
| 20:29.25 | Arif_ | half of the picodrive menu is Turkish |
| 20:29.26 | Arif_ | hehe |
| 20:30.08 | RST38h | looks ok here |
| 20:30.20 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, english here :p |
| 20:30.44 | Arif_ | I have the phone set to Turkish with the fan translation |
| 20:30.54 | Arif_ | guess Picodrive reads some text from that:) |
| 20:31.59 | Arif_ | oo |
| 20:32.04 | Arif_ | 900 megadrive games |
| 20:32.11 | Arif_ | looks around for the cable |
| 20:32.17 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, reniced the browser |
| 20:32.27 | MohammadAG_ | speeds up the engine, slows down the UI |
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| 20:33.04 | RST38h | Mohammad: microb ui, you mean? |
| 20:33.56 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, yeah (scrolling and the like) |
| 20:34.00 | MohammadAG_ | OMG |
| 20:34.20 | MohammadAG_ | reniced the browser itself, scrolling doesn't show checkerboards |
| 20:34.20 | Arif_ | WUT? |
| 20:34.32 | Arif_ | wtf is reniceing |
| 20:34.35 | MohammadAG_ | fast scrolling, even on facebook! |
| 20:34.52 | Stskeeps | probably also takes a bunch of cpu |
| 20:34.55 | Arif_ | and how do I do that myself :P |
| 20:34.55 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, changing the priority of apps |
| 20:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | Arif_: man renice |
| 20:35.11 | MohammadAG_ | processes actually |
| 20:35.32 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 20:35.35 | MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, well yeah, after all you're giving it higher cpu priority |
| 20:36.04 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, man doesn't work on the N900 |
| 20:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | orly |
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| 20:36.40 | MohammadAG_ | sh: man: not found |
| 20:36.44 | MohammadAG_ | yeah really :) |
| 20:37.03 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-17 17:51:19] <DocScrutinizer> where's the friggin mandb package |
| 20:37.16 | Arif_ | lol |
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| 20:37.52 | Stskeeps | no man, takes up too much space |
| 20:37.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:38.01 | DocScrutinizer | muhahahaha |
| 20:38.19 | Arif_ | well, there's 220MB space after all.... |
| 20:38.19 | Wizzup | Yeh, I kinda want man too |
| 20:38.35 | Wizzup | Busybox is also kinda pissing me off, but at least there is bash and some gnu utils |
| 20:38.41 | Arif_ | couldn't they have put it on the 2GB space |
| 20:38.47 | MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, how much is too much? |
| 20:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | points to optification |
| 20:39.06 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG_: i think i rescued a fair bit doing manpurge |
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| 20:39.13 | Noobmonk3y | fucksocks..... |
| 20:39.25 | Noobmonk3y | left my stylus as home.... |
| 20:39.32 | Arif_ | aw |
| 20:39.42 | Arif_ | better than losing it ;) |
| 20:39.43 | Noobmonk3y | feel a bit naked without it.... |
| 20:39.48 | MohammadAG_ | points to putting the whole filesystem on the 32GB nand |
| 20:39.55 | Noobmonk3y | true, got some spares :) |
| 20:39.58 | MohammadAG_ | and keeping /opt as /opt |
| 20:40.05 | Arif_ | wouldn't that slow the phone down |
| 20:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: +100 |
| 20:40.21 | Arif_ | Noobmonk3y, I refuse to pay €7 for a plastic pen :P |
| 20:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 20:40.36 | infobot | from memory, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs |
| 20:40.37 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, slightly, and it would kill USB mass storage, but what the hell, I have scp for that |
| 20:40.39 | Noobmonk3y | ahhh 3 for £2 |
| 20:40.52 | Noobmonk3y | little thinner but fit fine |
| 20:41.02 | Arif_ | from feebay? |
| 20:41.06 | Noobmonk3y | yup |
| 20:41.06 | MohammadAG_ | FUBAR LOL |
| 20:41.09 | Noobmonk3y | china hehe |
| 20:41.17 | ptl | is there a program for the N900 that helps you locate the device if it is stolen? |
| 20:41.20 | Arif_ | scp? |
| 20:41.28 | Arif_ | :P |
| 20:41.34 | Noobmonk3y | moulded the same, but not as hefty, so bend if you press 2 much |
| 20:41.34 | Arif_ | doesn't work in my wlan |
| 20:41.42 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, copying files over the network |
| 20:41.42 | Arif_ | only if I connect over 3G |
| 20:41.46 | MohammadAG_ | uses ssh |
| 20:41.58 | Arif_ | I don't want to transfer files at 100KB/s |
| 20:42.02 | MohammadAG_ | i have to use my external IP |
| 20:42.10 | Arif_ | I tried both |
| 20:42.14 | MohammadAG_ | but it's always the same |
| 20:42.16 | Noobmonk3y | i was thinking of developing a hidden location uploaded. but nothings really hidden |
| 20:42.21 | MohammadAG_ | static IP |
| 20:42.25 | Noobmonk3y | uploader* |
| 20:42.28 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, ports forwarded? |
| 20:42.32 | Arif_ | yea |
| 20:42.44 | Arif_ | shouldn't matter actually |
| 20:42.48 | Arif_ | it's in my lan |
| 20:42.57 | MohammadAG_ | someone started the whole OS on the 32GB NAND thing right? |
| 20:43.20 | tybollt | yeah |
| 20:43.29 | MohammadAG_ | it just need R&D mode, and i kept that on for a week |
| 20:43.31 | tybollt | that's the way to do it |
| 20:43.42 | MohammadAG_ | was testing something and went on holiday |
| 20:43.48 | MohammadAG_ | forgot to change it back |
| 20:44.14 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:44.21 | MohammadAG_ | actually i'm thinking of something now |
| 20:44.32 | MohammadAG_ | 32GB cards have been released |
| 20:45.00 | MohammadAG_ | i'll get one, format it into ext2, make a 50MB vfat partition and put the ext2 driver on it |
| 20:45.00 | Arif_ | they're only 120 € |
| 20:45.17 | MohammadAG_ | (or ext3 if it works with the windows driver) |
| 20:45.33 | MohammadAG_ | and i'll put the OS on the 32GB NAND |
| 20:45.44 | nidO | Noobmonk3y going back up a bit, got a link to the seller of the styli you can get at 3 for £2 that fit into the n900's holder? |
| 20:46.00 | MohammadAG_ | oh yeah, we'll use the 256MB NAND for swap, should be faster |
| 20:46.01 | Arif_ | I wonder if the DS styli will fit |
| 20:46.07 | nidO | they dont |
| 20:46.17 | Noobmonk3y | will link it thru when i get home :) |
| 20:46.22 | Arif_ | would look kinda silly anyway |
| 20:46.23 | nidO | much too fat to get into the holder |
| 20:46.28 | Arif_ | white styli in a black phone :D |
| 20:46.37 | nidO | you can get black ones |
| 20:46.43 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, it's too short |
| 20:46.54 | MohammadAG_ | mine's gray |
| 20:46.59 | MohammadAG_ | 1st DS |
| 20:47.03 | Arif_ | I have the lite |
| 20:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: I suggest to have a swapFILE on NAND, and a lower priority secondary swap on a 500MB partition in eMMC |
| 20:47.11 | Arif_ | I'm thinking of getting the i XL :P |
| 20:47.12 | nidO | I dont have a ds atall, but bought them for my archos :> |
| 20:47.27 | Arif_ | heh |
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| 20:47.58 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, that's all great but 32GBs haven't arrived here, so i'm pretty much planning what i'm saying :) |
| 20:48.08 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmm xchat is not very finger friendly |
| 20:48.13 | MohammadAG_ | oh and knowing israel, it should come out for $210 |
| 20:48.17 | MohammadAG_ | or €s |
| 20:48.40 | Arif_ | Noobmonk3y I though that too :P |
| 20:48.50 | Arif_ | and neither is VNC viewer |
| 20:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: I don't see the need of a 32GB uSD. Should work with 16GB as well |
| 20:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: how come? |
| 20:49.44 | Noobmonk3y | its just not, sidebars etc.... |
| 20:49.45 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, well I have a 16GB one |
| 20:49.52 | MohammadAG_ | will start on this tomorrow |
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| 20:49.57 | Noobmonk3y | the bottom part is fine |
| 20:50.06 | nidO | 2gb at the mo in mine :< |
| 20:50.20 | MohammadAG_ | mer handles the watchdog |
| 20:50.22 | Noobmonk3y | but i do have fat fingers |
| 20:50.27 | MohammadAG_ | i guess i can ask in #mer |
| 20:50.37 | Arif_ | I don't have any microSD in it |
| 20:50.38 | Wild_Doogy | Anyone have an estimation of the N900's bluetooth range? RC project in the works.... |
| 20:50.49 | nidO | in what conditions |
| 20:50.52 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, volume buttons can be used for that part |
| 20:50.53 | Noobmonk3y | bout 6-10m |
| 20:51.03 | Noobmonk3y | oooo sexy! |
| 20:51.08 | Noobmonk3y | ty mohammad |
| 20:51.26 | Noobmonk3y | any idea on a trick to sort name completion? |
| 20:51.27 | Wild_Doogy | Noobmonk3y: Thanks |
| 20:51.34 | MohammadAG_ | RC meh, how about a predator missle or something :p |
| 20:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | friggin relogins on N900 xchat :-/ |
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| 20:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 20:52.12 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, umm |
| 20:52.21 | Noobmonk3y | think it may be poss to boost it.... bit like fm... not sure how tho |
| 20:52.25 | MohammadAG_ | shift + right |
| 20:52.25 | MohammadAG_ | or ctrl + right |
| 20:52.31 | MohammadAG_ | changed the default one, RST38h should know though |
| 20:52.42 | Noobmonk3y | nope |
| 20:52.48 | nidO | Noobmonk3y I dont think that's particularly likely |
| 20:53.04 | Noobmonk3y | and prob not |
| 20:53.08 | nidO | fm tx can be boosted as it's artificially limited to it's current tx power to comply with various laws |
| 20:53.17 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, settings advanced keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: (name compl) on xchat? |
| 20:53.26 | MohammadAG_ | can't type symbols so the last line was messy |
| 20:53.46 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, this DocScrutinizer |
| 20:53.50 | MohammadAG_ | :) |
| 20:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 20:54.13 | Wild_Doogy | Noobmonk3y: That I will look into, and thanks. (I found an arduino Xbee capable of 1 mile. I didn't know Bluetooth could do that.) |
| 20:54.20 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, tab button behaviour |
| 20:54.36 | Noobmonk3y | thanks MohammadAG |
| 20:54.46 | Noobmonk3y | yay to nick auto completion |
| 20:55.01 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, I type Doc then press CTRL + right to complete it to DocScrutinizer |
| 20:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | xchat prefs kbd-shortcuts -> set "complete names" to shift-space |
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| 20:55.37 | Noobmonk3y | ahhh i set mine to ctrl+ right, workin fine |
| 20:55.49 | MohammadAG_ | np Noobmonk3y |
| 20:55.59 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, is a long name to type everytime! |
| 20:56.03 | MohammadAG_ | same here :) |
| 20:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's called "complete nick/command" |
| 20:56.07 | Noobmonk3y | and so is MohammadAG |
| 20:56.08 | MohammadAG_ | shift creaked when i got the device, so i avoided it |
| 20:56.21 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 20:56.26 | MohammadAG_ | and Noobmonk3y |
| 20:56.32 | Noobmonk3y | my screen started clicking a bit recently |
| 20:56.40 | Noobmonk3y | dont notice it too much |
| 20:56.43 | MohammadAG_ | clicking? |
| 20:56.48 | Noobmonk3y | yeah.. |
| 20:56.54 | MohammadAG_ | let me guess |
| 20:56.56 | Noobmonk3y | just in parts, |
| 20:56.58 | MohammadAG_ | top area? |
| 20:57.04 | Noobmonk3y | changes |
| 20:57.08 | Noobmonk3y | middle earlier |
| 20:57.12 | Noobmonk3y | all fine now |
| 20:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | ctrl-right is skip word by default - bad idea to remap it to nick-completion |
| 20:57.18 | MohammadAG_ | meh |
| 20:57.24 | Noobmonk3y | too late DocScrutinizer |
| 20:57.28 | MohammadAG_ | same here |
| 20:57.32 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 20:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 20:57.43 | Noobmonk3y | huh huh? |
| 20:57.43 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, top right area |
| 20:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | you're right, it's too late here |
| 20:57.59 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, middle earlier, changes tho.... |
| 20:57.59 | MohammadAG_ | it clicks inside and makes a sound |
| 20:58.03 | MohammadAG_ | it annoys me - a lot |
| 20:58.15 | MohammadAG_ | pressed hard on it and it seems to be fixed - for now |
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| 20:58.34 | Noobmonk3y | fucksocks |
| 20:58.49 | Noobmonk3y | was testing the top right of the screen! |
| 20:58.55 | Noobmonk3y | hit the x |
| 20:59.08 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, question, was it warmer where you live when the clicking started? |
| 20:59.12 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 20:59.42 | MohammadAG_ | my n900 seems a bit faster today |
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| 21:00.29 | lbt | X-Fade: ping |
| 21:00.30 | Noobmonk3y | erm, nope. been under 8 degrees the whole time |
| 21:00.34 | nidO | mine's just annoying me confounding me at bubbels a little bit more today :< |
| 21:01.46 | Noobmonk3y | mine just seems random and is ignorable |
| 21:01.48 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, ok, thought about putting it in the fridge since the issue doesn't happen in the morning/night |
| 21:01.56 | Noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 21:02.02 | Noobmonk3y | might just be loose |
| 21:02.07 | MohammadAG_ | thought it's cause it's been warmer |
| 21:02.11 | ds3 | okay, this confirm to delete on the N900 mail client is annoying |
| 21:02.13 | MohammadAG_ | (i'm serious) :p |
| 21:02.18 | ds3 | is there a way of disabling that? |
| 21:02.21 | Noobmonk3y | wish i was in a warmer climate |
| 21:02.34 | Noobmonk3y | anyone got a job for an it advisor lol |
| 21:02.37 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, can it be fixed |
| 21:02.45 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, wanna swap? |
| 21:02.45 | Noobmonk3y | no idea, |
| 21:02.48 | Noobmonk3y | haha |
| 21:02.52 | Noobmonk3y | where r u? |
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| 21:03.09 | MohammadAG_ | Jerusalem PS/IL (indifferent) |
| 21:03.13 | Wild_Doogy | Check the pinmap :-D |
| 21:03.43 | MohammadAG_ | you might have to import the N950 when it's released though |
| 21:03.47 | Noobmonk3y | thats effort on the n900 |
| 21:03.47 | MohammadAG_ | @ Noobmonk3y |
| 21:03.59 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 21:04.47 | Noobmonk3y | needs a holiday |
| 21:04.52 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, oh and there aren't any maps for IL |
| 21:05.01 | MohammadAG_ | unless you use the FULL google maps site |
| 21:05.18 | MohammadAG_ | the touch optimized community ones show a blank map |
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| 21:05.24 | Noobmonk3y | still effort looking at maps on here |
| 21:05.28 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, i'd really like one too |
| 21:05.36 | MohammadAG_ | might visit the bermuda triangle |
| 21:06.08 | MohammadAG_ | where you from Noobmonk3y ? |
| 21:06.12 | Noobmonk3y | i'm going to spring harvest in 2 weeks.... might meet up with rev kathy.... wayyyy to much religion for me lol |
| 21:06.28 | Noobmonk3y | i'm on th uk, south coast |
| 21:07.08 | Noobmonk3y | in the* |
| 21:08.01 | Noobmonk3y | started coding "pull my finger" today |
| 21:08.19 | Arif_ | yay |
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| 21:08.24 | Arif_ | the first fart app for the N900! |
| 21:08.27 | MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, you made health check right? |
| 21:08.29 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 21:08.34 | Noobmonk3y | yup :) |
| 21:08.46 | Noobmonk3y | making* to be precise |
| 21:08.52 | MohammadAG_ | love the scrolling in it, is it Qt? |
| 21:09.03 | Noobmonk3y | awww thanks, yeah, pyqt |
| 21:09.12 | Arif_ | I'm like the only person who hasn't written an app for the N900 in htere |
| 21:09.12 | Arif_ | :d |
| 21:09.17 | nidO | heh you're not too far from my company's office, thats in fareham |
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| 21:09.34 | MohammadAG_ | there goes the other me |
| 21:09.35 | Noobmonk3y | 3 weeks from first learning to get it into extras :) |
| 21:09.46 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 21:09.51 | Arif_ | you two should meet up and have a teaparty! |
| 21:09.52 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 21:09.52 | Noobmonk3y | awww arif! |
| 21:10.15 | Noobmonk3y | you can help me with pull my finger hehehe |
| 21:10.21 | nidO | Arif_ sadly though my company's office is the other side of the country to me :p |
| 21:10.21 | N900evil_ | next version is the n9314 - following on from the roots of the n900, and adding UI and styling from the n7600. |
| 21:10.31 | Arif_ | heh |
| 21:10.37 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 21:10.48 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, how old are you, if you don't mind me asking |
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| 21:10.51 | Noobmonk3y | the N90210? |
| 21:10.55 | FIQ | i'm not a developer, but guess i'm going to be some... time |
| 21:10.57 | Noobmonk3y | 29 :) |
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| 21:11.06 | Arif_ | oo |
| 21:11.07 | Arif_ | you're old ;P |
| 21:11.11 | Noobmonk3y | i r old |
| 21:11.35 | MohammadAG | Arif_, you? |
| 21:11.37 | Noobmonk3y | pic of me smally on www.greg-roberts.com |
| 21:11.49 | Arif_ | 18 ={ |
| 21:11.54 | nidO | kids. |
| 21:12.04 | Arif_ | nidO is like 50 |
| 21:12.08 | Arif_ | :o |
| 21:12.18 | nidO | I just meant you though, Noobmonk3y's olllld! |
| 21:12.20 | MohammadAG | 16 here :) |
| 21:12.22 | FIQ | is like 15 |
| 21:12.25 | Arif_ | XD |
| 21:12.26 | Noobmonk3y | i am old lol |
| 21:12.32 | Noobmonk3y | like 15? |
| 21:12.39 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 21:12.42 | Arif_ | "like" |
| 21:12.52 | Arif_ | I hear that from 12 year old girls |
| 21:12.58 | Arif_ | =P |
| 21:13.08 | nidO | I wonder if "hey she was like 16" would work as a defence. |
| 21:13.10 | MohammadAG | but u can code Noobmonk3y :p |
| 21:13.14 | Noobmonk3y | smiles |
| 21:13.18 | FIQ | lol |
| 21:13.19 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:13.21 | Noobmonk3y | can i? lol! |
| 21:13.23 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, means he's 51 |
| 21:13.25 | FIQ | ok, fine, i'm 15 |
| 21:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | Arif_: I have an idea on which situation you hear that ;-P |
| 21:13.41 | FIQ | 16 in 3 months though |
| 21:13.50 | petteri | any news when pr 1.2 is coming? |
| 21:13.51 | Arif_ | I wasn't involved in anything! |
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| 21:14.05 | nidO | "16 in 3 months" = 15. I thought kids were lazy, why make things longer. |
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| 21:14.17 | Noobmonk3y | talking of healthcheck, 12 hours till get gets to maemo.org downloads :) |
| 21:14.24 | N900evil_ | checks again for 1.1.1 |
| 21:14.35 | MohammadAG | i miss my 15 year old self |
| 21:14.36 | Noobmonk3y | slaps petteri |
| 21:14.37 | Arif_ | checks for PR1.4 |
| 21:14.48 | FIQ | nid0, meh |
| 21:15.05 | MohammadAG | Arif_, won't be a PR1.4 |
| 21:15.15 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 21:15.16 | Noobmonk3y | 1.39.5? |
| 21:15.17 | petteri | last week I saw some discussion that it has gone to the certifies and will be hopefully out in a week |
| 21:15.18 | Arif_ | I have the feeling you're right |
| 21:15.18 | Arif_ | :P |
| 21:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~slap Arif_ |
| 21:15.23 | infobot | ACTION slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:15.34 | Arif_ | Moomo will die a silent death |
| 21:15.35 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:15.39 | Noobmonk3y | fondles infobot |
| 21:16.01 | Arif_ | sends hordes of Apple fanboys after DocScrutinizer |
| 21:16.24 | Noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 21:16.29 | MohammadAG | ~curse RPM |
| 21:16.30 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, RPM ! |
| 21:16.37 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 21:16.47 | Arif_ | lol |
| 21:16.52 | Noobmonk3y | has no tilde...... |
| 21:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | goooood |
| 21:17.27 | Arif_ | why not |
| 21:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: botsnack |
| 21:17.28 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 21:17.29 | Noobmonk3y | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 21:17.30 | infobot | ~~~~~~~~~~~ are YOU READY?????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 21:17.40 | Noobmonk3y | wooooooooooop |
| 21:17.58 | MohammadAG | Arif_, poor fanbyos, what did they do to deserve that |
| 21:17.58 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~ignore Noobmonk3y |
| 21:18.00 | infobot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Noobmonk3y!" |
| 21:18.03 | tybollt | ~ |
| 21:18.12 | tybollt | ~~ |
| 21:18.12 | infobot | i heard ~ is the key |
| 21:18.12 | MohammadAG | ~_~ |
| 21:18.21 | tybollt | ~key |
| 21:18.25 | Arif_ | MohammadAG, they use rotten fruit! |
| 21:18.32 | MohammadAG | infobot, is a she? |
| 21:18.34 | Noobmonk3y | ~f9ndle DocScrutinizer |
| 21:18.39 | Noobmonk3y | f9ndle? |
| 21:18.45 | Noobmonk3y | wtf am i on |
| 21:18.46 | ptl | what's that about the ~ ?? |
| 21:18.54 | ptl | ã is even better. Or ñ |
| 21:19.04 | Noobmonk3y | ~curse ptl |
| 21:19.04 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ptl ! |
| 21:19.10 | MohammadAG | Arif_, i hear apple trademarked the words apple and air |
| 21:19.12 | ptl | aaaagh |
| 21:19.13 | ptl | :( |
| 21:19.21 | Noobmonk3y | wohooooo |
| 21:19.30 | Arif_ | air? |
| 21:19.57 | Noobmonk3y | ~ slap Arif_ |
| 21:19.58 | infobot | ACTION slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:20.00 | Arif_ | being a WinXP admin sounds easy enough |
| 21:20.00 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
| 21:20.08 | Arif_ | just reset the server every 3 hours |
| 21:20.08 | Arif_ | :p |
| 21:20.13 | MohammadAG | Arif_, macbook air |
| 21:20.21 | nidO | or administer it properly :< |
| 21:20.26 | Noobmonk3y | ~ fondle MohammadAG |
| 21:20.30 | MohammadAG | net user (user)* |
| 21:20.39 | Arif_ | nidO, lazily>properly |
| 21:20.49 | MohammadAG | changes pass in cmd |
| 21:20.51 | Noobmonk3y | thinks infobot needs some loving |
| 21:20.52 | Arif_ | MohammadAG, who in their right mind buys an apple laptop :P |
| 21:20.54 | nidO | you do it properly once, you can be lazy for years till the day it dies. |
| 21:20.58 | nidO | much easier overall! |
| 21:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | or nuke the whole shit, and get something decent |
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| 21:21.18 | Noobmonk3y | brb |
| 21:21.22 | MohammadAG | Arif_, fanboys? |
| 21:21.38 | Arif_ | bah |
| 21:21.41 | Arif_ | they have too much money |
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| 21:22.11 | MohammadAG | and too little heads |
| 21:22.25 | ptl | all proprietary software is cursed with -1 alignment points, if I get enough I'll become "darth ptl" or something like that |
| 21:22.34 | MohammadAG | brains* |
| 21:22.34 | MohammadAG | ending convo |
| 21:22.34 | MohammadAG | again |
| 21:22.43 | MohammadAG | can't we all just live along :p |
| 21:23.36 | Xisdibik | ptl -1 alightment points in the chaotic or evil direction :P? |
| 21:23.45 | ptl | evil, of course |
| 21:24.03 | Xisdibik | what alighnment did you start out as? |
| 21:24.03 | ptl | I'll become darth ptl, not wacky ptl |
| 21:24.13 | MohammadAG | well, gotta go |
| 21:24.13 | MohammadAG | have to wake up in 6 hours |
| 21:24.13 | MohammadAG | nn everyone |
| 21:24.14 | ptl | 0! neutrl! |
| 21:24.15 | ptl | *neutral |
| 21:24.23 | Arif_ | join the darkside! |
| 21:24.25 | Arif_ | we have cookies! |
| 21:24.26 | ptl | night MohammadAG |
| 21:24.52 | Xisdibik | ptl: then you need some apps that give you +1 lawful. as im sure a sith lord is lawful evil |
| 21:24.52 | Arif_ | nn |
| 21:24.52 | Xisdibik | :p |
| 21:24.57 | Arif_ | I really wonder why you need to get up at 4 |
| 21:24.58 | Arif_ | :P |
| 21:25.02 | realitygaps | will 1.2 be ota upgradeable? lost the usb port on mine already... |
| 21:25.18 | Arif_ | lost the usb port? |
| 21:25.20 | ptl | you too? |
| 21:25.26 | Arif_ | wtf do you DO with your phones? |
| 21:25.27 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:25.27 | ptl | many people have this problem |
| 21:25.29 | realitygaps | yep, prerelease tho |
| 21:25.33 | realitygaps | happened a while ago |
| 21:25.40 | ptl | can't you fix it? |
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| 21:25.55 | Arif_ | I lost my stlyus and neck cord |
| 21:25.55 | realitygaps | ptl: maybe a friend will open it up |
| 21:26.01 | Arif_ | and I dropped it a million times |
| 21:26.03 | realitygaps | but some of the pcb came out with the port |
| 21:26.04 | Arif_ | =} |
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| 21:26.27 | Xisdibik | Arif_: ive not lost mine, not dropped mine, not lost parts of mine, :D |
| 21:26.37 | Arif_ | :D:D |
| 21:26.41 | Xisdibik | Arif_: all parts of mine are in working order |
| 21:26.53 | Xisdibik | Arif_: I just need more people to optify their programs ;) |
| 21:27.22 | Arif_ | heh |
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| 21:27.28 | nidO | mine's in perfect condition as well \o/ |
| 21:27.32 | nidO | sans screen protector, too |
| 21:27.45 | Arif_ | my phone got saved by girls a few times... |
| 21:27.46 | Arif_ | =P |
| 21:28.17 | nidO | my girlfriend almost threw mine across the room the other day] |
| 21:28.23 | ptl | I've got a rubberized case and screen protector |
| 21:28.40 | nidO | startling her with espeak via ssh while she was on the sofa playing bubbels was in retrospect hilariously funny but very risky |
| 21:28.42 | Arif_ | nidO, you should love your gf not the N900 |
| 21:28.43 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:29.36 | Xisdibik | pssh blashpehmy Arif_ |
| 21:29.44 | Veggen | nid0: my gf totally loved mine...after 4 days, she said "my turn!", grabbed it, and didn't give it back for a few hours... |
| 21:30.00 | Arif_ | ilol |
| 21:30.00 | Xisdibik | N900 > family > friends > gf |
| 21:30.02 | nidO | shes always nicking mine to play bubbels |
| 21:30.13 | nidO | bitch beat my high score too, I and cant top it :< |
| 21:30.29 | Xisdibik | i dont have bubbles installed |
| 21:30.29 | Xisdibik | :D |
| 21:30.41 | ptl | do you have a geek girlfriend, Veggen? |
| 21:31.06 | Arif_ | I have most, if not all games from extras installed |
| 21:31.07 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:31.16 | nidO | bubbels is in testing. |
| 21:31.16 | Xisdibik | Arif_: ^^ |
| 21:31.19 | nidO | go test it and vote it up |
| 21:31.20 | Veggen | ptl: sure I do. |
| 21:31.25 | nidO | it deserves to get into extras |
| 21:31.27 | timeless_mbp | Arif_: including the ones that are 200-300mb ? |
| 21:31.32 | Xisdibik | nidO: is it optified > |
| 21:31.35 | nidO | yeah |
| 21:31.36 | Arif_ | yes |
| 21:31.36 | Veggen | ptl: I found mine in the local Linux User Group :) |
| 21:31.36 | timeless_mbp | (wesnoth) |
| 21:31.41 | ptl | Veggen: you lucky bast*rd! :P lol |
| 21:32.02 | Arif_ | girls use linux? |
| 21:32.08 | nidO | I still reckon real genuine geek girlfriends are a myth |
| 21:32.09 | Arif_ | runs off to download some linux distro ;P |
| 21:32.09 | Stskeeps | wouldn't want a coder gf of the sole reason he hates arguing about code with people he really really likes |
| 21:32.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:32.15 | nidO | mine's an evil solicitor :( |
| 21:32.18 | Xisdibik | Arif_: Fembots =/= female.. so no they dont |
| 21:32.24 | Arif_ | aww |
| 21:32.37 | ds3 | arrrgg finger prints all over |
| 21:33.00 | Veggen | granted, she's not as geeky as me. |
| 21:33.09 | Veggen | Which, I guess, is a good thing ;) |
| 21:33.14 | ptl | ds3: that's nice, this way you can know who committed the crime |
| 21:33.15 | nidO | does she secretly despise you for that? |
| 21:33.26 | ds3 | ptl: so the N900 is a crime now? :D |
| 21:33.41 | Arif_ | Veggen, she wouldn't give you any attention :P |
| 21:33.49 | ptl | ds3: I guess it's evidence from the crime scene! |
| 21:33.59 | Veggen | nid0: How should I know? I'm a guy. we're notoriously bad at interpreting womens thoughts :) |
| 21:34.52 | Veggen | being a geek doesn't make *that* part any better :) |
| 21:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | ssometimes denying there are any |
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| 21:35.18 | Arif_ | what are these thoughts you talk about |
| 21:35.19 | Arif_ | :Hmm: |
| 21:35.32 | ds3 | i really need a screen protector :( |
| 21:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 21:36.17 | Veggen | I once misinterpreted a girl who spent her first wage *ever* to come visit me (from Germany to Norway), when she'd only met me once the year before. |
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| 21:36.50 | ds3 | too many finger prints |
| 21:36.52 | Veggen | granted, I might have interpreted it that way had I known at the time and not later that it *was* her first wage she spent on it. |
| 21:36.56 | Veggen | :) |
| 21:36.58 | ds3 | the colors on the N900 makes them show up more then on the N800 |
| 21:37.08 | Xisdibik | lol what Veggen |
| 21:37.19 | Arif_ | aww |
| 21:37.20 | Arif_ | Veggen is mean |
| 21:37.26 | Veggen | Arif: am not. |
| 21:37.26 | Noobmonk3y | back |
| 21:37.35 | Xisdibik | sure Veggen... |
| 21:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | Veggen is a womanizer |
| 21:37.51 | Arif_ | sure you are |
| 21:37.52 | Arif_ | :P |
| 21:37.59 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 21:38.23 | Noobmonk3y | needs a beer |
| 21:38.26 | Xisdibik | thats to a certain artist who i dont like to listen to |
| 21:38.32 | Xisdibik | the first thing i think of when i hear womanizer.. is a woman |
| 21:38.33 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 21:38.36 | Veggen | DocScrutinizer: not at all :) I'm so slow that most girls have given up and moved on before I understand *one thing* about it. |
| 21:38.37 | Xisdibik | thats = thanks |
| 21:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | Veggen: I get it now you're maried and live in Germany ? ;-P |
| 21:38.51 | Veggen | DocScrutinizer: nah. |
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| 21:39.22 | Xisdibik | DocScrutinizer: he lives in norway |
| 21:40.32 | Noobmonk3y | that killed the covnversation |
| 21:40.43 | tybollt | blasted northug :-@ |
| 21:40.44 | Arif_ | Veggen, I usually have the oppsite |
| 21:40.44 | Arif_ | :( |
| 21:40.48 | tybollt | ~kill northug |
| 21:40.49 | infobot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse positrino gun at northug |
| 21:41.03 | Noobmonk3y | ~eat Arif_ |
| 21:41.03 | infobot | ACTION slurps up all the Arif_ available |
| 21:41.04 | Veggen | sports? Am geek, not into it :) |
| 21:41.14 | Noobmonk3y | oooo slurrping |
| 21:41.19 | Arif_ | slurps eh? |
| 21:41.19 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:41.21 | Arif_ | sounds good |
| 21:41.34 | Noobmonk3y | ~poke lcuk |
| 21:41.35 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind lcuk, pokes lcuk repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:41.45 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 21:42.10 | Veggen | tybollt: you swedes can beat him all you want for me... |
| 21:42.25 | Noobmonk3y | ~beat Veggen |
| 21:42.26 | infobot | ACTION beats Veggen with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 21:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: that sucks |
| 21:42.42 | Xisdibik | is this Bubbels game you all speak of "Blubbels"? |
| 21:42.48 | Noobmonk3y | ~suck DocScrutinizer |
| 21:42.49 | infobot | ACTION sucks DocScrutinizer's neck |
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| 21:42.57 | Noobmonk3y | that sucks |
| 21:43.45 | ptl | ...DocScrutinizer's neck! |
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| 21:44.19 | Noobmonk3y | ~blink |
| 21:44.20 | infobot | a perl script that downloads random jpegs and draws them on your X11 display. URL: http://www.techweenie.net/dave/blink.html |
| 21:44.27 | Noobmonk3y | lmfao |
| 21:44.37 | Noobmonk3y | and i thought blinking was simple |
| 21:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | suggests /query infobot , for unlimited fun without spamming the chan |
| 21:45.06 | Noobmonk3y | let the spamming commence |
| 21:45.12 | Noobmonk3y | ~spam Arif_ |
| 21:45.13 | infobot | ACTION subscribes Arif_ to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for Arif_ to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 21:45.16 | Arif_ | mm |
| 21:45.17 | Arif_ | spam |
| 21:45.27 | Arif_ | pff |
| 21:45.29 | Arif_ | my gmail gets more than that |
| 21:45.34 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
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| 21:45.46 | Noobmonk3y | ~uberspam Arif_ |
| 21:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | chanop: could you reduce the noise please? |
| 21:45.52 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 21:46.13 | Arif_ | ~lick Noobmonk3y |
| 21:46.14 | infobot | ACTION licks Noobmonk3y *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 21:46.17 | Xisdibik | ok whats the best game in the repos for my n900? :p |
| 21:46.22 | Noobmonk3y | oooo baby!!! |
| 21:46.26 | nidO | bubbels |
| 21:46.31 | Arif_ | Xisdibik, bubb0lz |
| 21:46.36 | Noobmonk3y | tuxrace? |
| 21:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: spamalert |
| 21:47.19 | Xisdibik | i noticed in devel theres a PSX emulator.. i thought that was far beyond the capabilities of the n900? |
| 21:47.28 | Noobmonk3y | whats psx? |
| 21:47.33 | Xisdibik | Playstation 1 |
| 21:47.38 | Noobmonk3y | cool! |
| 21:48.03 | Arif_ | it runs at 4 fps |
| 21:48.04 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 21:48.09 | Noobmonk3y | ouch |
| 21:48.12 | Xisdibik | i wouldnt doubt it lol |
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| 21:48.23 | Xisdibik | has anyone tried out freeciv on the n900? |
| 21:48.27 | Arif_ | I have more hopes in the N64 emu |
| 21:48.37 | Noobmonk3y | not yet, want to tho |
| 21:48.50 | Xisdibik | I played it a fair bit on my desktop |
| 21:48.58 | Xisdibik | but at 1024x600 it was a bit funky on my netbook |
| 21:49.04 | Xisdibik | so im scared to think how it is on the n900 |
| 21:49.06 | RST38h | watches freeloaders with zoological interest |
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| 21:49.33 | Noobmonk3y | ~hug dneary_ |
| 21:49.34 | infobot | ACTION jumps into dneary_'s lap and huggles and *hugs* dneary_ |
| 21:49.44 | Arif_ | ~prod RST38h |
| 21:49.45 | infobot | ACTION zaps RST38h with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 21:49.51 | Noobmonk3y | ouch |
| 21:50.08 | dneary_ | hi Noobmonk3y |
| 21:50.15 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 21:50.24 | Noobmonk3y | twas all the bots fault.... |
| 21:50.58 | dneary_ | I'm glad that there has been an end put to the forum software discussion |
| 21:51.27 | Noobmonk3y | has there? |
| 21:51.30 | RST38h | dneary: what about CMS though? |
| 21:51.36 | Noobmonk3y | which 1? |
| 21:51.39 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 21:51.45 | Arif_ | I wonder if picodrive plays 32x games |
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| 21:52.16 | dneary_ | RST38h, I have an idea, let's everybody give their preferences for every piece of server software the project's going to need and discuss for weeks the pros and cons |
| 21:52.40 | RST38h | dneary: well it is not the worst idea |
| 21:52.43 | dneary_ | RST38h, The CMS is going to be Drupal, it's more or less final & has been (as far as I can tell) from the start |
| 21:52.44 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 21:52.46 | derf | What software should we use to collect these preferences? |
| 21:52.56 | RST38h | dneary: certainly better than forcing Midgard on everyone =) |
| 21:53.04 | Arif_ | here's a better idea |
| 21:53.06 | RST38h | moos at derf |
| 21:53.08 | Arif_ | just go with whatever's easiest to use |
| 21:53.08 | dneary_ | RST38h, I prefer getting on with it, and having the people who are going to administer choose |
| 21:53.09 | Arif_ | =D |
| 21:53.26 | RST38h | dneary: Drupal should be ok, I am semihappy :) |
| 21:53.33 | dneary_ | (at least, once you have a minimum of features & ease of use & popularity) |
| 21:54.27 | Noobmonk3y | dneary_, that approach can end up with 5different usernames........ |
| 21:54.28 | dneary_ | 5 different usernames? |
| 21:54.31 | Noobmonk3y | ok, slight exaggeration |
| 21:55.07 | Noobmonk3y | but my aim would be to ensure any tools that get aadded, like bugzilla, garage etc can use a single sign on |
| 21:55.31 | Noobmonk3y | causes alot of frustration at the mo |
| 21:55.36 | dneary_ | There is one restraining feature of the whole system, and thatis that you need root on the meego servers to add new software |
| 21:55.48 | dneary_ | So at the end of the day you have to convince root, or root's bosses |
| 21:55.55 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 21:55.56 | dneary_ | sudo make me a sandwich |
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| 21:56.01 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 21:57.05 | timeless_mbp | dneary_: some services don't require auth :) |
| 21:57.15 | timeless_mbp | who was i supposed to talk to about the dns entry? |
| 21:57.23 | timeless_mbp | my brain is fried |
| 21:57.49 | ZogG | if nokia leaves n900 it would be sad, if it would support it it would be good(cause main power anyway would go to meego, and i'm sure it would work on n900 but not fully compative) but the best optuion if nokia leaves n900 to community and opens all the specs/drivers/*modules/everything |
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| 21:57.52 | dneary_ | timeless_mbp, Some services can be installed in userland, sure. You still need a user account on the server |
| 21:58.02 | timeless_mbp | dneary_: i just need a CNAME |
| 21:58.10 | timeless_mbp | i'm not going to run things on your servers :) |
| 21:58.20 | timeless_mbp | too much pain, no benefit |
| 21:58.25 | dneary_ | timeless_mbp, /me is not a DNS sysadmin |
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| 22:01.35 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmm |
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| 22:15.14 | Arif_ | throws megadrive roms at Noobmonk3y |
| 22:15.32 | Arif_ | the picodrive port works great |
| 22:15.33 | Arif_ | \o/ |
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| 22:37.34 | SpeedEvil | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ hmm |
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| 22:40.31 | cehteh | uhm .. |
| 22:40.45 | cehteh | the specs dont turn me on |
| 22:40.49 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 22:41.01 | SpeedEvil | lack of wifi is a regrettable dealbreaker |
| 22:41.02 | Noobmonk3y | ~throw Arif_ |
| 22:41.03 | infobot | ACTION winds up and throws Arif_ over the moon. |
| 22:41.12 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: FAIL :) |
| 22:41.37 | SpeedEvil | SDIO wifi cards are regrettably expensive. |
| 22:41.40 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: formfactor is ok .. but processor, ram, flash, display .. are not |
| 22:42.29 | Noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 22:42.30 | cehteh | double or triple the price and provide decent hardware .. then its ok |
| 22:42.49 | cehteh | (well, i'd take it with decent hardware for $99 too) |
| 22:42.53 | SpeedEvil | processor, RAM, aren't that a big issue for me |
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| 22:43.22 | Noobmonk3y | ~lick lcuk |
| 22:43.23 | infobot | ACTION licks lcuk *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 22:44.12 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: 32MB ram ... it is 2010 ffs :) |
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| 22:44.24 | SpeedEvil | 64 |
| 22:44.35 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: MIPS. |
| 22:44.57 | RST38h | it is gonna be crap all the way from keyboard to cpu |
| 22:45.02 | tybollt | Ingenic's MIPS-compatible 336MHz XBurst Jz4720 processor, 32MB SDRAM, and 2GB NAND flash, and offers a 3-inch, 320 x 240 display. |
| 22:45.11 | Arif_ | what kind of crappy device is that |
| 22:45.12 | Arif_ | :D |
| 22:45.16 | tybollt | ^^^^^^32MB SDRAM |
| 22:45.38 | tybollt | Arif_: it's openmoko involved so... go figure ;) |
| 22:45.47 | RST38h | a generic chinese crapgadget |
| 22:45.51 | Arif_ | I've never heard of that |
| 22:45.53 | cehteh | move along, nothing to see here |
| 22:46.02 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 22:46.15 | Arif_ | whats openmoko and why are they so great/do they suck |
| 22:46.16 | Arif_ | :P |
| 22:46.23 | Noobmonk3y | its the nokia n90210 all over again |
| 22:46.29 | tybollt | ;) |
| 22:46.44 | RST38h | Arif: Google, no? |
| 22:46.52 | Arif_ | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33953 |
| 22:46.56 | Arif_ | N900 ftw |
| 22:47.03 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 22:47.28 | cehteh | waah .. thats the worst clone i seen so far |
| 22:47.54 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: you don't want a n900 mini? |
| 22:47.58 | RST38h | it is an iPhone clone!!!! |
| 22:48.04 | SpeedEvil | Also - it has portrait. |
| 22:48.05 | Arif_ | it has portrait mode |
| 22:48.09 | Arif_ | clone>N900 |
| 22:48.10 | wolf^ | http://www1.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_33953_13.jpg :D |
| 22:48.14 | tybollt | heh |
| 22:48.15 | SpeedEvil | And dual-SIM |
| 22:48.23 | Arif_ | and fm radio out of the box |
| 22:48.25 | Noobmonk3y | meh.... i miss my pager |
| 22:48.30 | cehteh | there are quite better clones |
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| 22:48.48 | Arif_ | wolf^, win! |
| 22:50.00 | RST38h | thinks it can now be safely said that there is a choice of linux based crapgadgets on the market |
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| 22:50.23 | RST38h | You should not necessarily fall for the first one available, like some of the present people have done in the past =) |
| 22:50.34 | SpeedEvil | It is limited. I can see roles where it would be useful. |
| 22:50.49 | cehteh | 2 x 1200mAh lithium ion rechargeable batteries (actual 800mAh) |
| 22:50.56 | cehteh | nice spec .. lmao |
| 22:51.03 | SpeedEvil | For example, a portable IRC terminal, for in the garden. |
| 22:51.06 | cehteh | means 400mAh each prolly? :) |
| 22:51.22 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting the lack of wifi) |
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| 22:51.34 | SpeedEvil | (wifi-sd are half again the price) |
| 22:52.08 | RST38h | RST38bis test |
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| 22:52.56 | anotnac | something crazy is happening everytime i try visit talk.maemo.com i get diverted to microsoft silverlight |
| 22:53.33 | SpeedEvil | Or a node controller for house. |
| 22:53.38 | anotnac | can you guys test it out http://talk.maemo.org/ |
| 22:54.28 | SpeedEvil | wfm |
| 22:54.32 | tybollt | wfm |
| 22:54.37 | nidO | ditto |
| 22:56.57 | anotnac | strange let me clear history and reboot, this is what it diverts to for me http://www.microsoft.com/products/ceip/EN-US/default.mspx |
| 22:57.06 | anotnac | brb |
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| 22:58.53 | RST38h | Scientists have found a 67 million-year-old fossil of a snake coiled around dinosaur eggs and a hatchling. |
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| 22:59.18 | SpeedEvil | Snakes! On a pleisiosaur! |
| 22:59.51 | anotnac | working now i cleared browser data, strange it chose microsoft to mess up with lol |
| 23:00.10 | tybollt | RST38h: wooha, url? |
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| 23:00.42 | Khertan | Hello All ! |
| 23:00.45 | Khertan | again ! |
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| 23:01.13 | Khertan | Ouch the new xchat on fremantle is really nice ! |
| 23:01.17 | RST38h | tybollt: www.dailyrotten.com |
| 23:01.48 | spliffy | Khertan: what is better? the interface? |
| 23:01.55 | spliffy | Khertan: just curious |
| 23:02.07 | Khertan | oh yest ! |
| 23:02.15 | Khertan | yes the interface |
| 23:02.22 | spliffy | nice! nice! nice! |
| 23:02.30 | Khertan | and i like the notification too |
| 23:02.40 | spliffy | got to take a look immediately :-) |
| 23:02.42 | RST38h | is busy switching notifications off at the moment =) |
| 23:02.53 | Khertan | very usefull i found ... |
| 23:02.54 | cehteh | mhm any changes? |
| 23:03.01 | RST38h | cehteh: Naah, not much |
| 23:03.06 | cehteh | ok :) |
| 23:03.15 | Khertan | the last time i try xchat it was on Diablo |
| 23:03.17 | cehteh | would wonder me |
| 23:03.23 | cehteh | no one send me a patch :P |
| 23:03.25 | spliffy | oh ... well |
| 23:03.25 | RST38h | cehteh: Basically, disabling the much despised note thing by default and enabling the standard xchat bubble notifications |
| 23:03.38 | RST38h | cehteh: the "patch" is two characters (changing 1s to 0s) |
| 23:03.45 | cehteh | ;) |
| 23:04.01 | cehteh | lemme update |
| 23:04.04 | RST38h | cehteh: the bubbles do look better and less obtrusive but miss icons. I am fixing icons at the moment. |
| 23:04.24 | cehteh | what are 'bubbles' |
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| 23:04.55 | RST38h | RST38bis test |
| 23:05.54 | cehteh | i mentally reserved the 'n' mode for libnotify, just in case someone (or me) will work on it |
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| 23:06.17 | cehteh | but so far it works well enough for me |
| 23:07.01 | cehteh | btw .. some (long) time ago i had a powersaving problem on the laptop with xchat, turned out that it was caused by the python or tcl plugin (cant remember which one) |
| 23:07.13 | cehteh | in case you want to provide that, keep an eye on it |
| 23:07.14 | RST38h | cehteh: libnotify works |
| 23:07.22 | RST38h | cehteh: by default, in xchat |
| 23:07.31 | cehteh | didnt know |
| 23:07.36 | RST38h | cehteh: I have just enabled it in the default config. Just need to fix the icons |
| 23:07.50 | Khertan | hum i think letting a option too to let user to choose for kinectic scrolling in the window or selexcting |
| 23:08.11 | cehteh | kinetic scrolling conflicts selecting |
| 23:08.16 | RST38h | Khertan: Probably undoable, the window is a custom widget |
| 23:08.29 | cehteh | but the userlist and channellist could be improved by kinetic scrolling |
| 23:08.29 | RST38h | No idea how to add kinetic scrolling to it, although you can try if you would like |
| 23:08.31 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 23:08.49 | Khertan | RST38h ... is it coded in python ? |
| 23:08.53 | RST38h | no, sorry |
| 23:09.00 | RST38h | coded in real programming language :) |
| 23:09.07 | Khertan | pfff :) |
| 23:09.08 | cehteh | context menu on channels in tree-view is broken too |
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| 23:09.25 | noobmonk3y | is back |
| 23:09.42 | RST38h | DIY Steve Jobs Cheese Head |
| 23:09.45 | SpeedEvil | kinetic scrolling is hard. Would hte tophalf of hte chatwindow acting as pgup be hard? |
| 23:09.54 | Arif_ | MM |
| 23:09.55 | Arif_ | CHEESE |
| 23:10.09 | Arif_ | oops |
| 23:10.10 | Arif_ | :D |
| 23:10.10 | Khertan | did you custom widget can be put in a viewport ? |
| 23:10.22 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: You go and implement it, the sources are available |
| 23:10.26 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:10.28 | Khertan | lol |
| 23:10.33 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm busy lawning. |
| 23:11.04 | RST38h | Sorry to hear that =) |
| 23:11.15 | cehteh | is busy raising btrees for a pseudo database, no time either :P |
| 23:11.44 | RST38h | See what happens when someone has to do some real work as opposed to discussing it? =) |
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| 23:12.01 | cehteh | hah .. i did my part! |
| 23:12.11 | RST38h | cehteh: true =) |
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| 23:12.20 | RST38h | RST38bis test |
| 23:13.57 | Khertan | I've some a question with gtk and textview |
| 23:14.13 | Khertan | how i can set the color of the border |
| 23:14.23 | Khertan | exemple : http://picasaweb.google.fr/lh/photo/7bbtmDLKNx_-LPRVXaK8LA?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiNy4OGwo7nZQ&feat=directlink |
| 23:16.55 | Khertan | any idea ? |
| 23:17.21 | RST38h | Khertan: In Maemo5, there may not be a way |
| 23:17.36 | RST38h | had similar problems recently: could not set the color of the input widget |
| 23:18.09 | Khertan | arg not really good |
| 23:18.21 | Khertan | this was always the case in diablo |
| 23:18.27 | RST38h | the standard gtk+ functions are there but they do nothing |
| 23:18.55 | Khertan | as you can see i can set the bg color of the textview |
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| 23:19.22 | Khertan | but not without modify_bg() but with modify_base() |
| 23:19.43 | Khertan | and the border color stay white |
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| 23:19.46 | Khertan | :( |
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| 23:22.17 | ptl | in the example you have shown a pygtkeditor window with that |
| 23:22.24 | ptl | can't you look at the code? |
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| 23:22.41 | ptl | or it was a mockup? |
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| 23:22.49 | Khertan | ? |
| 23:22.51 | cityLights | can anyone assist with network issue |
| 23:22.58 | Khertan | you want too see the code ? |
| 23:23.03 | ptl | no, no |
| 23:23.11 | ptl | you want to change the color of the border, like in http://picasaweb.google.fr/lh/photo/7bbtmDLKNx_-LPRVXaK8LA?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiNy4OGwo7nZQ&feat=directlink |
| 23:23.14 | ptl | right? |
| 23:23.15 | Khertan | it s not a mockup |
| 23:23.25 | Khertan | but a screenshots |
| 23:23.28 | Khertan | rights |
| 23:23.33 | cityLights | My N900 does a dhcp-request , but doenst accept the answer |
| 23:23.41 | ptl | so can't you just look at the code for pygtkeditor and see how the programmer did it? |
| 23:23.43 | Khertan | i want to use the same color as the bg |
| 23:24.03 | Khertan | ah lol :) this is the problem ... |
| 23:24.14 | Khertan | i m the dev of pygtkeditor |
| 23:24.16 | Khertan | :) |
| 23:24.20 | ptl | oh |
| 23:24.40 | ptl | I misunderstood your question then, sorry. And btw congrats for the excellent app |
| 23:24.57 | Khertan | i can set without any problem all colors except the border one |
| 23:25.01 | Khertan | thx |
| 23:25.21 | Khertan | so i m thinking that it s something not possible on maemo5 |
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| 23:25.52 | Khertan | so as you can see i m currently implementing theme :) |
| 23:27.03 | ptl | Yes, I noticed that... |
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| 23:27.52 | Khertan | the one you see is killingeyes.theme |
| 23:28.02 | Khertan | something made just for test :) |
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| 23:28.43 | cityLights | is there anyone here that knows a bit about udhcp? |
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| 23:30.59 | Khertan | i think x-fade will hate me : #9494 |
| 23:31.27 | Khertan | hum no more bot ? |
| 23:31.39 | timeless_mbp | bug 9494 ? |
| 23:31.40 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9494 Old icon is displayed instead of the new one |
| 23:31.55 | Khertan | works better like that :) |
| 23:31.58 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 23:32.05 | Khertan | thx timeless_mbp |
| 23:35.46 | RST38h | FOUND IT |
| 23:36.52 | Khertan | ? |
| 23:41.14 | RST38h | I am soooooo close to fixing XChat bubbles... |
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| 23:42.19 | Khertan | your real language is so difficult to use ? |
| 23:42.25 | Khertan | :) |
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| 23:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | xchat bubbles |
| 23:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head |
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| 23:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I'm scared to install xchat updates for quite some weeks now |
| 23:54.50 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, it's a bit like notifications spam. |
| 23:55.13 | GeneralAntilles | It just needs to send you an email and speak the highlight text to be complete. |
| 23:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | and I hope it'll take 200MB swap to run |
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| 23:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | I don't get the need for the Hildon Note. |
| 23:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | me neither |
| 23:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | The boilerplate strings for the libnotify portion of the plugin just need to be trimmed so you can actually read the content. |
| 23:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | and having the highlights go to a chat window might be a nice option, too. |
| 23:59.00 | ds3 | anyone know what package is needed for AIM support on the 900? |
| 23:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, Telepathy Extras. |
| 23:59.12 | GeneralAntilles | (Or just the Haze portion) |
| 23:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | It works mostly OK |
| 23:59.24 | GeneralAntilles | Except the chat window style is PR1.0 |
| 23:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | a catch-highlights like the catch-URL thingy - yep, been suggested ;-D |
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| 23:59.27 | ds3 | what group is that in? nothing like that under Networking? |
| 23:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | and it sometimes has trouble migrating from connection-to-connection automatically. |
| 23:59.48 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, Extras-devel. |
| 23:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | Should be Networking there. |
