| 00:00.07 | ptl | UndrWater: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2010-March/015794.html |
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| 00:02.35 | mtd | anybody used golang from extras? I can't get it to link a .5 file. |
| 00:03.10 | mtd | ..if it worksforyou I'd love to know. |
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| 00:36.14 | blizzow | Is anyone here having trouble sending an email to their number@tmomail.net and having it arrive as an sms? |
| 00:36.26 | crashanddie | is a pirate |
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| 00:36.40 | crashanddie | I has an eyepatch |
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| 00:39.11 | GAN900 | Cool |
| 00:39.14 | GAN900 | Why? |
| 00:39.53 | crashanddie | GAN900: was attacked by some youth yesterday evening |
| 00:39.55 | crashanddie | for taking pictures |
| 00:40.09 | GAN900 | Haha, that's . . . interesting |
| 00:40.16 | GAN900 | Did they get you in the eye? |
| 00:40.22 | crashanddie | got punched a few times in the face, I have corneal abrasion on my right eye |
| 00:40.22 | corecode | ptl: how is that related? |
| 00:40.29 | GAN900 | Damn |
| 00:40.33 | GAN900 | Pics? :P |
| 00:40.35 | crashanddie | hurts like a motherfucker |
| 00:40.50 | crashanddie | nha, first run was OK, second time (when I had the encounter) I didn't get anything worthwhile |
| 00:40.56 | GAN900 | Why the hell did they take offence to pictures? |
| 00:41.02 | crashanddie | actually, didn't check the pictures yet, but doubt their'll be anything interesting |
| 00:41.13 | crashanddie | s/their/there/ |
| 00:41.16 | GAN900 | and, seriously, what the fuck kind of insane kids do you have down there? |
| 00:41.27 | crashanddie | fucking maori gipsies |
| 00:41.31 | GAN900 | What about a self portrait? :P |
| 00:41.48 | crashanddie | took one, can't find the usb cable and can't be bothered to search |
| 00:41.53 | crashanddie | waiting for the meds to kick in |
| 00:42.04 | crashanddie | actually, I'm just going to sleep |
| 00:42.15 | crashanddie | talk later |
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| 00:43.27 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 00:43.46 | haltdef | hi |
| 00:44.25 | b0unc3 | someone know how to make dbus call my own script on a event ? |
| 00:45.21 | corecode | that works? |
| 00:45.31 | corecode | don't you need to listen to events and then react? |
| 00:45.32 | RST38h | crashanddie: careful, they are cannibals |
| 00:45.44 | corecode | cannibis? |
| 00:45.53 | b0unc3 | corecode, so I must create a daemon for this ? |
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| 00:47.46 | corecode | b0unc3: not sure, but that's what i've seen |
| 00:47.56 | corecode | would be nice if you wouldn't have to |
| 00:48.09 | corecode | or if there was a meta-daemon that calls scrips for you |
| 00:48.40 | b0unc3 | yes, I hope there is a better way than a daemon to do that |
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| 01:00.45 | ptl | corecode: below that initial message, you had lots of discussion about the usb host mode |
| 01:01.56 | corecode | ptl: "[maemo-users] latest OS2008 and alarm"? |
| 01:02.22 | corecode | ah i see |
| 01:02.29 | corecode | somebody hijacked the thread |
| 01:02.58 | SpeedEvil | AFAIK - nobodies come up with definitive answers for the n900 |
| 01:03.33 | corecode | All |
| 01:03.33 | corecode | new cellular phones in the EU must have a micro USB port as a connector |
| 01:03.35 | corecode | for an ac adapter (in the future) |
| 01:03.37 | corecode | what? |
| 01:03.39 | corecode | haha |
| 01:03.46 | corecode | who comes up with these regulations? |
| 01:04.01 | haltdef | standardisation ftw |
| 01:04.07 | marmoute | +1 |
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| 01:12.50 | ptl | how can I get vmstat for the N900? If I try to install it from the repositories it conflicts with the OS itself |
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| 01:19.31 | ptl | fine, I will compile by myself! :( |
| 01:19.39 | microlith | wow, one of our W510s just self destructed |
| 01:20.18 | ptl | what's a W510? |
| 01:20.29 | microlith | oh, Lenovo Thinkpad |
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| 01:29.52 | shinkamui | need some advise |
| 01:29.58 | shinkamui | Im adding 2tb to my NAS |
| 01:30.09 | shinkamui | in a 2tb usb2 external drive |
| 01:30.20 | shinkamui | im breaking it up into 3 partitions, 2 500s and 1tb |
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| 01:30.49 | shinkamui | should I make the 2 500s xfs and the 1tb reiser, or should I just make all 3 xfs |
| 01:31.01 | shinkamui | the 1tb will be mostly for storage, but the 2 500s will be working drives |
| 01:31.08 | kynky | make all ext3 :) |
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| 01:31.42 | shinkamui | ext3? I thought xfs had superior speed for smaller files, and reiser did a better job with large files |
| 01:31.47 | kynky | xfs is best for large files, reiser3.6 is best for lots of small files, ext3 is the all rounder |
| 01:31.51 | shinkamui | lol |
| 01:31.53 | shinkamui | I was backwards |
| 01:33.07 | shinkamui | perhaps I need to do more research |
| 01:33.21 | shinkamui | I appreciate your response though, Ill definately go with ext3 for the two smaller drives then |
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| 01:33.26 | kynky | ext3 is also most mature, and relibility more important than speed, when fs speeds kinda negligable compared to diff spindle speeds diffences etc (afaik) |
| 01:34.26 | kynky | its best to have ups for xfs in case of crash, but most ppl dont do that i bet |
| 01:35.36 | kynky | if you want speed , go for raid1/raid10 instead of fs choice |
| 01:36.01 | kynky | raid 0 etc |
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| 01:45.11 | shinkamui | xfs doesn't recover well from crashes during write? |
| 01:45.14 | shinkamui | thats a big time deal breaker |
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| 02:18.45 | SplasPood | evening all.. Its marginally off topic (maybe) but I was wondering if anyone here had travled with the N900, specifically wondering if it's possible to disable data svcs while still allowing voice since t-mobile is going to charge me a freakin fortune for data svcs in costa rica |
| 02:21.35 | SpeedEvil | You can set data to 'always ask' |
| 02:21.52 | SpeedEvil | this means if you startup anything that wants a data connection, it will ask you if you want to continue. |
| 02:22.25 | SpeedEvil | However - once the connection is up - there isn't an easy way of saying 'I only want to look at one small web page' - without any other app that wants to use it also using it. |
| 02:23.11 | blizzow | Anyone here have issues sending email to their number@tmomail.net from certain providers? I can get email to sms from yahoo, but not gmail or some of my own email servers. |
| 02:24.35 | SpeedEvil | blizzow: usa? |
| 02:24.42 | blizzow | SpeedEvil: yes. |
| 02:24.52 | SpeedEvil | don't think uk tmo does that |
| 02:24.59 | SpeedEvil | so can't help. |
| 02:25.03 | SplasPood | SpeedEvil: hrm.. And that'll take care of background apt-get update and stuff? |
| 02:25.50 | blizzow | I've looked at my t-mobile filters, there are none enabled. I can send email from my desktop to my phone via email, other servers though, t-mobile doesn't like apparently. |
| 02:25.53 | blizzow | grrr. |
| 02:28.05 | SpeedEvil | SplasPood: it does nothing in the background if you have it off. |
| 02:28.18 | SpeedEvil | SplasPood: that is if you've set it to always ask |
| 02:28.19 | SplasPood | SpeedEvil: hrm, I think I can relax then, thank you |
| 02:28.30 | SpeedEvil | also install gprs-data-counter |
| 02:28.34 | SpeedEvil | or whatever it's calleed |
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| 02:30.01 | newbie005 | hi, how can I tether my laptop using my n900's T-mobile account? I've installed the Bluethooth DUN program and paired the device. Now what? |
| 02:30.32 | blizzow | newbie005: what Os? |
| 02:30.34 | blizzow | OS? |
| 02:30.52 | newbie005 | Vista unfortunatly |
| 02:31.10 | blizzow | I think you'll have to create a new network connection in Vista. |
| 02:31.31 | blizzow | I don't have a vista box in front of me, but google will probably help with that. |
| 02:31.58 | newbie005 | I've found some message "..devices shown support Personal Area Network (PAN) services" |
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| 02:32.26 | newbie005 | ok, but your telling me the issue is most likely my OS. so thank you |
| 02:33.07 | blizzow | newbie005, it sounds like you're pretty close to completing the task. I don't think you'll have to much trouble from where you're at. |
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| 04:01.05 | pupnik | <mp3 alsa test - 4hr> continuous mp3 playback through speakers at 80% volume, offline mode -- 95% battery |
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| 04:30.37 | disco_stu | whats up? |
| 04:35.07 | ptl | pupnik: I've seen you talking on the picodrive/dgen thread, doesn't sdlmame emulates sega genesis? |
| 04:39.09 | pupnik | never heard of that |
| 04:39.23 | pupnik | emulating sega genesis |
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| 04:45.18 | ptl | ok |
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| 05:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I humbly doubt your bat reading is correct |
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| 05:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | that'd mean you can get 80h of mp3 playback, via speakers at high volume. Impossible |
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| 05:55.49 | crashanddie | batteries aren't linear |
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| 06:01.14 | Bactius | Wouldn't kit be cool to have fasttracker on N900 :) |
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| 06:03.25 | yigal | the genius that made pianobar I want to wish my thanks upon you |
| 06:04.23 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: not SO much nonlinear |
| 06:05.01 | yigal | how many hours does one get on an n900 with a full charge? |
| 06:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: c'mon - 4h mp3 playback, via *speakers* |
| 06:05.13 | bleeter | hot damn did the n900 release in Australia today when I was asleep?! nokia.com.au's graphic has changed from 'upcoming' to 'available' lol |
| 06:05.18 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: sure, if you consider 40 to 0 in 2 hours linear compared to 100 to 40 in two days |
| 06:05.47 | crashanddie | bleeter: hang on, I thought it was available? |
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| 06:05.51 | Bactius | I'll check out pianobar |
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| 06:06.00 | crashanddie | bleeter: I saw a couple guys with one the other day |
| 06:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | duh, never encountered such nasty. Sure the bat readings are jumpy |
| 06:06.07 | bleeter | crashanddie: people have been importing |
| 06:06.35 | bleeter | there's some debate as to whether the aussie version will be quad-band |
| 06:06.36 | crashanddie | oh right |
| 06:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: and good luck with healing your injury |
| 06:06.55 | crashanddie | ta |
| 06:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: those fsckng bastards |
| 06:07.14 | crashanddie | I have corneal abrasion |
| 06:07.36 | yigal | wow u poor aussies don't have n900 yet |
| 06:07.52 | crashanddie | yigal: had one since october ;) |
| 06:08.02 | yigal | almost as sad as you eating vegemite |
| 06:08.05 | yigal | jk |
| 06:08.42 | crashanddie | that however is painfully true, vegemite is seriously disgusting |
| 06:08.43 | yigal | crashanddie: ah, I'm amrcn and don't have one |
| 06:08.49 | yigal | lol |
| 06:09.10 | crashanddie | yigal: that lazy you can't even spell american? |
| 06:09.36 | yigal | na n amrca it's how eva u wanna spll |
| 06:09.51 | crashanddie | not in here it isn't ;) |
| 06:10.06 | yigal | ah :( |
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| 06:10.20 | yigal | good to hear |
| 06:11.04 | DocScrutinizer | yigal: I guess those *caine pharmaceuticals really help for pain killers, had a severe UV-burn in both eyes (shorted a 10mm^2 400V) when I learnt that |
| 06:11.42 | yigal | DocScrutinizer: sorry to hear, what was the wattage? |
| 06:12.28 | yigal | anyways I can't bring myself to purchase the n900 does openoffice work? |
| 06:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | no idea. Those main fuses should be able to give surges of several 1000A |
| 06:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | lemme put it this way: the bang was like a .45 |
| 06:13.52 | yigal | oh chess game sorry blitz |
| 06:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | btw how come I posted to you? sorry! was addressed to crashanddie |
| 06:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I guess those *caine pharmaceuticals really help for pain killers, had a severe UV-burn in both eyes (shorted a 10mm^2 400V) when I learnt that |
| 06:16.49 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: basically, this morning I woke up and I was blind |
| 06:16.55 | crashanddie | seriously scary |
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| 06:17.10 | crashanddie | I couldn't open my eyes, everytime I tried I was in agonising pain. |
| 06:17.44 | yigal | DocScrutinizer: sorry to hear again, I won by the way :D |
| 06:18.36 | crashanddie | I called my project manager, he came and picked me up at the hotel, brought me to see a doc, she put 2 drops in my eye, and 5 seconds later I could open my eyes |
| 06:18.46 | crashanddie | photophobia was gone, didn't hurt anymore, I could see fine |
| 06:19.22 | crashanddie | I said: "that's good stuff", she replied "opiates have always been" |
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| 06:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | yget those drops, they will last only 2h or somesuch |
| 06:19.26 | yigal | photophobia is that pain with high intensity light? |
| 06:19.40 | yigal | the drops last 6 hours for me, sucks |
| 06:19.41 | crashanddie | yigal: any light |
| 06:19.47 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: 15 minutes |
| 06:20.17 | yigal | I had 1/2 a dose a week ago and it lasted more than double a normal person |
| 06:20.25 | yigal | at my eye exam |
| 06:20.39 | yigal | I have terrible myopia |
| 06:20.54 | yigal | -8 diopter |
| 06:21.17 | crashanddie | she then put some die in my eye, in order to try and find the hole, it's about 1mm from my iris, and I have pretty blury vision from that eye (understandably) |
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| 06:21.59 | yigal | true that, I don't know from my bicycling next to large trucks, smoking cigs, and dope I don't know why I still have healthy eyes but I do |
| 06:22.14 | yigal | crashanddie: sorry to hear this |
| 06:22.25 | yigal | the eye is supposedly the fastest healing organism |
| 06:22.42 | yigal | so hopefully you'lle get past what ever problems are occuring |
| 06:23.11 | crashanddie | the cornea heals very quickly most of the time (part of the body that has the quickest turnaround in terms of cell-life), so by tomorrow I should see a definite improvement |
| 06:23.47 | crashanddie | If not, I might have to go see a propper ophtalmologist and get a healer-lens |
| 06:23.55 | yigal | crashanddie: you're right wow I learned something the tongue is actually the fastest healing organism |
| 06:24.09 | yigal | the cornea is the fastest healing tissue |
| 06:24.22 | crashanddie | well, maybe not the fastest, but up there with the very fast ones |
| 06:24.23 | yigal | learn a little each day, good for me |
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| 06:25.19 | yigal | crashanddie: ya, all the silly wiki this or that are claiming that the cornea is the fastest but you are right one should be conservative |
| 06:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | throws coin whether to get first coffe or another short nap |
| 06:25.47 | crashanddie | coffee first |
| 06:25.59 | crashanddie | it will kick in after 20 minutes, making perfect for a wakeup time |
| 06:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | heh, sounds like a plan |
| 06:26.27 | yigal | mmh refreshed after a nap |
| 06:26.29 | yigal | awesome |
| 06:27.31 | yigal | pianobar is just a great piece of software |
| 06:27.43 | yigal | I'm using it on my netbook running ubuntu |
| 06:27.52 | yigal | cli just the best |
| 06:28.08 | yigal | and it runs on ye old n800 |
| 06:29.17 | yigal | pandora > last.fm, but I love cli programs, mutt, mpc bash scripting, so this little program just made my day |
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| 06:33.28 | yigal | hmm, I killed the convo? :( |
| 06:34.54 | yigal | anyone else RJD2 |
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| 06:36.23 | yigal | what evers |
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| 06:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | no idea bout pianobar |
| 06:38.57 | lcuk | crashanddie, what happened to the thugs who beat you? |
| 06:39.11 | crashanddie | two of 'em got arrested |
| 06:39.21 | crashanddie | 1 got away |
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| 06:40.17 | crashanddie | thugs is a big word though, I'm not sure they're entitled to it yet |
| 06:40.47 | crashanddie | anyone, of any age, shape or form can beat up someone when you're surrounded by 8, and 3 start hitting simultanuously without a warning |
| 06:41.02 | lcuk | i hope this mornings trip to doctors is noted and you updated the police with your actions |
| 06:41.30 | crashanddie | Well, I paid $65 for the doctors this morning, which is covered by my company's inssurance |
| 06:41.38 | lcuk | or did you just want to see a nurse first thing i nthe day to be able to go "hello nurse!" |
| 06:42.02 | crashanddie | I won't have any permanent damange, and if I leave it at that, that's pretty much it. |
| 06:42.42 | lcuk | were the photos worth it in the end |
| 06:42.55 | crashanddie | If however I press charges, I have to go to court, I have to be a witness, my name goes on public record... See, i don't want to start my new life here in oz with a court case |
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| 06:43.33 | crashanddie | and yes, that's also a way of saying I'm scared of retaliation, who wouldn't be? |
| 06:43.49 | crashanddie | If I don't press charges, they get a fine, if I press charges, they get 2 weeks in jail... |
| 06:43.58 | lcuk | its not your choice to press charges though, they have cctv |
| 06:44.33 | crashanddie | well, if say I report that my camera is broken (need a new lens?) or something like that |
| 06:45.00 | crashanddie | then it's not just "The people vs whatever the cunt's name", but "The people led by Sebastian lauwers" |
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| 06:46.42 | GAN900 | crashanddie, that really sucks. :( |
| 06:46.50 | GAN900 | crashanddie, feel better. :) |
| 06:46.55 | GAN900 | sleeps. |
| 06:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | isn't law strictly distinct domains for crime and for inter-personal (sorry not the right term) over there? |
| 06:47.52 | crashanddie | dunno, not really aware of the laws over here |
| 06:47.59 | crashanddie | but can't be all that different from the UK |
| 06:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | here you'd first wait for the crime trial to give them a sentence, then you got after them with a civil lawsuit |
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| 06:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | usually it's pretty clear the agressor has to recompensate the victim for all material and immaterial damage, so civil court trial isn't needed |
| 06:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | once you got them sued for a crime |
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| 07:24.11 | mece | hey any garage admins around? |
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| 07:39.00 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3MSjwUrxT0 , hmmm, this reminds me n900 commercial somehow |
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| 07:52.01 | lcuk | wazd heh |
| 07:52.19 | lcuk | the hand gesture does look more convincing on a device that size |
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| 08:16.29 | rmrfchik | r |
| 08:16.30 | rmrfchik | e |
| 08:16.53 | rmrfchik | If I haven't exchange account, how can I sync my accounts (for backup)? |
| 08:16.57 | rmrfchik | I have linux box |
| 08:18.49 | jacekowski | there is backup in a menu |
| 08:19.11 | rmrfchik | i want to backup to something external ;) |
| 08:19.22 | jacekowski | backup from menu |
| 08:19.24 | rmrfchik | in internetz or to my PC |
| 08:19.24 | jacekowski | connect usb cable |
| 08:19.26 | jacekowski | copy file |
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| 08:21.13 | rmrfchik | it's not handy. no ability to edit, can't be automated |
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| 08:42.33 | tybollt | rmrfchik: automate backup to your sd-card |
| 08:42.54 | tybollt | which you then by hand can pull out and copy the backups off device |
| 08:44.15 | joppu | wazd: "Access the full web and not just a part of it!" I wonder where this is directed at :P |
| 08:44.59 | tybollt | joppu: is that like turning off "safe search" in google? :D |
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| 08:56.02 | benbrown | hi |
| 08:56.11 | benbrown | anyone know how to prompt for a connection using dbus in c? Or should I just use conic? |
| 08:59.25 | furunk3l | good morning |
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| 09:11.24 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:12.50 | mece | Jaffa, Mornin' |
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| 09:15.55 | rmrfchik | hmm... I have "Personal account" in accounts which has skype and gmail records, and have dedicated account with mobile phone and same skype and jabber. How can I make maemo to use later as personal? |
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| 10:26.15 | TigerTael | Hi guys |
| 10:26.46 | mece | hi |
| 10:27.06 | TigerTael | Waiting for my N900 to arrive tomorrow. ;P |
| 10:28.20 | slackmagic | TigerTael: you'll be busy playing with it then tomorrow :D |
| 10:29.20 | TigerTael | I know... |
| 10:29.35 | TigerTael | In a nut shell, what's this stuck-dot problem? |
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| 10:37.38 | pupnik | <mp3 alsa test - 10.5hr> continuous mp3 playback through speakers at 80% volume, offline mode -- 50% battery |
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| 10:38.33 | lcuk | TigerTael, stuck dot? |
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| 10:43.55 | ptl | stupid question of the day, when is Microsoft Backoffice being ported to the N900? |
| 10:44.11 | pupnik | <mp3 alsa test - 10.5hr> continuous mp3 playback through speakers at 80% volume, offline mode -- 50% battery |
| 10:44.21 | Termana_n810 | lcuk - maybe he's talking about this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35195 ? |
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| 10:44.53 | Shapeshifter | I was guessing "stuck pixel" |
| 10:45.02 | Shapeshifter | could be anything ^^ |
| 10:45.32 | slackmagic | anyone here using pidgin on the n900? |
| 10:45.41 | SpeedEvil | I did once |
| 10:45.45 | SpeedEvil | it diddn't work well for me |
| 10:45.56 | Termana_n810 | Shapeshifter, i was just taking a guess myself, as you say - could be anything |
| 10:46.04 | TigerTael | I'm not sure what it is; I've only heard people mentioning it. |
| 10:46.28 | slackmagic | just wondering how well it works to transfer a workstation's pidgin config/settings ($HOME/.purple/) over to the n900 for settings and all |
| 10:47.11 | Termana_n810 | TigerTael, unfortunately that doesn't really help us identify what your talking about, sorry. |
| 10:48.19 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: fun |
| 10:49.40 | TigerTael | Termana_n810, maybe it is stuck at booting. I'll have to ask around and see. |
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| 10:50.48 | benbrown | slackmagic: not tried it but it might work if you tar it up and stick it in /home/user/.purple |
| 10:50.52 | benbrown | YMMV |
| 10:51.10 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: it is the darn clicking irssi irc links that kills my battery |
| 10:51.29 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 10:51.31 | slackmagic | benbrown: yep, i think i might just do that rigth now to see how that works out |
| 10:51.35 | pupnik | http links |
| 10:51.40 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:51.52 | benbrown | I've checked on mine and a quick glance at .purple looks as I'd expect it to |
| 10:52.15 | cehteh | mhm the battery warning level is not configureable or? |
| 10:52.17 | pupnik | maybe i build lynx/links into an irssi window - same terminal |
| 10:52.17 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: what does powertop say about active elements of the chip during mp3? |
| 10:52.46 | ShadowJK | ptl, ask microsoft? |
| 10:52.55 | pupnik | i am doing a rundown test atm, not using n900 at all |
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| 10:54.41 | ptl | ShadowJK: it was a rethorical question (classic dodging) |
| 10:55.05 | pupnik | speedevil i saw 6% percent for mplayer at 250mhz |
| 10:55.38 | pupnik | monophonic spoken 128kb/s |
| 10:56.10 | ShadowJK | are you doing mafw vs mplayer-direct-to-alsa test? |
| 10:56.33 | pupnik | just the latter |
| 10:57.27 | pupnik | then i try to figure why the volume is normally only 10%bvol |
| 10:57.30 | pupnik | vol |
| 10:58.14 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: which codec? |
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| 10:58.24 | SpeedEvil | is the test stereo? |
| 10:58.36 | pupnik | no mono |
| 11:00.11 | pupnik | im sketching controls atm.. applet ftw |
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| 11:01.36 | Wolfie | where are all usability experts in finland? they can't be this scarce... |
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| 11:01.52 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.08 | noobmonk3y | still playing with sounds? :D |
| 11:02.09 | SpeedEvil | wolf: what's anoying you? |
| 11:02.10 | Wolfie | preferably disgruntled or unemployed :) |
| 11:02.18 | Wolfie | SpeedEvil: that there are none to hire... |
| 11:02.42 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
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| 11:03.05 | SpeedEvil | would offer, but is not in finland, and has no experience on the UI front on the other side of the wall. |
| 11:03.34 | SpeedEvil | My contribution in meetings would solely be to say 'are you insane' over and over again I suspect. :) |
| 11:04.10 | corecode | so am i wrong or can't ovi maps work at all without network connectivity? |
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| 11:04.29 | Wolfie | SpeedEvil: heh :) yeah, i guess telecommuting doesn't really come into question. Or at the very minimum, being able to come on-site every once in a while |
| 11:05.11 | SpeedEvil | I hear toyota may have UX experts leaving soon. |
| 11:05.57 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 11:06.34 | burchr | am I a bad person for finding that amusing? |
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| 11:17.23 | ShadowJK | I can induce stuck pedal on my toyota anytime :D |
| 11:17.41 | noobmonk3y | w000p new joiku works a treat :D :D |
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| 11:18.24 | ShadowJK | i just switch on cruise control, and then when I forget about it and car doesn't slow down when I let go of throttle pedal I'm like "wtf", and press the clutch and shortly after there's a "click" as the throttle returns to idle and I suddenly remember I had cruise control on |
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| 11:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | thought cruise control is strictly supposed to switch off on any touch of throttle pedal |
| 11:33.25 | Shrik3 | hey, it's a Toyota |
| 11:33.33 | Shrik3 | the cruise controll shuts off when it damn well pleases to |
| 11:33.36 | Shrik3 | -l |
| 11:33.59 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: just brake |
| 11:34.29 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: some allow small inputs |
| 11:34.40 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: and then fall back to their set speed |
| 11:35.22 | Shrik3 | mine goes off on any pedal except throttle |
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| 11:35.46 | Shrik3 | so you can speed up to pass people with cruise on, but can't shift gears or break or it'll turn off |
| 11:35.48 | lardman | same, and with throttle it will also go off iirc if I give a large input |
| 11:35.48 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably Wolfie should hire me rather than those toyota UX experts ;-P |
| 11:36.18 | lardman | lol |
| 11:36.51 | Shrik3 | UX is easy, just copy apple and avoid what nokia does |
| 11:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrr |
| 11:37.11 | lardman | hmm, I just installed that appinstaller app that X-Fade is talking about, but it doesn't show up.... |
| 11:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | like missing c&p ? :-P |
| 11:37.43 | Bactius | someone thougt cruise control was the same as autopilot |
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| 11:38.12 | lardman | hmm, appinstaller is also broken |
| 11:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | Shrik3: seems you're talking bout marketing, not usability |
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| 11:49.20 | corecode | so? gps only works as a-gps, never standalone? |
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| 11:49.49 | Stskeeps | it works standalone if you are in open space |
| 11:49.53 | JimiDini | corecode: that depends on definition of "works" |
| 11:50.18 | burchr | Stskeeps: even if you're not, it works some/most of the time |
| 11:50.25 | SpeedEvil | works as in gets lock after at worst case 10 mins. |
| 11:50.26 | burchr | (provided it had a fix close by previously) |
| 11:50.29 | SpeedEvil | (in my tests) |
| 11:50.45 | burchr | I usually get a fix inside after about 5-10 minutes |
| 11:50.50 | burchr | outside is usually quicker |
| 11:50.51 | SpeedEvil | After clearing GPS, and having no SIM, and not using GPS at all. |
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| 11:51.12 | JimiDini | without a-gps it is slow as hell (in my experience) and quality of receiver is poor comparing to specialized gps-receivers |
| 11:51.23 | corecode | JimiDini: ovi maps seemed to give up |
| 11:51.24 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 11:51.42 | SpeedEvil | corecode: there is a fix coming in ovi maps |
| 11:51.54 | JimiDini | corecode: that's software problems |
| 11:51.59 | SpeedEvil | also yuou can run any othe rgps thing that doesn't give up, and maps will use the conneciton |
| 11:53.10 | corecode | ah ok |
| 11:54.42 | luke-jr | notes most times when he needs GPS, he needs it *now* and 10 minutes makes it useless :p |
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| 11:55.23 | Shrik3 | why can't the GPS update its position every hour or so |
| 11:55.44 | Shrik3 | since the initial lock-on takes longer the farther the GPS thinks it is from where it actually is |
| 11:55.45 | corecode | yea |
| 11:55.59 | corecode | i'd like to have that happening infrequently |
| 11:56.04 | SpeedEvil | Shrik3: because nobodies done that yet |
| 11:56.15 | Shrik3 | oh wait, The Community is supposed to do that |
| 11:56.20 | Shrik3 | Nokia can't be arsed =) |
| 11:56.32 | corecode | is there a way to find which current cell you're in? |
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| 11:56.59 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:57.03 | SpeedEvil | monitor dbus |
| 11:57.06 | SpeedEvil | there are events |
| 11:57.38 | corecode | so the agps info for a given cell can be cached, or is agps the almanach? |
| 11:57.45 | corecode | could still be cached for some time |
| 11:57.49 | SpeedEvil | teh almanac |
| 11:57.59 | corecode | i c |
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| 11:58.08 | SpeedEvil | it seems to - from performance - only cache at best the ephemiriedes |
| 11:58.32 | corecode | cell info would be sufficient for coarse location |
| 11:58.40 | corecode | i.e. downtown vs work vs home |
| 11:58.48 | corecode | poor man's location-based reminders |
| 11:58.51 | Shrik3 | yeah |
| 11:59.12 | Shrik3 | and it'd be extra super happy fun time if you could input a default location for a given cell |
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| 11:59.32 | Shrik3 | "if I'm at this cell tower, there's a 99% chance that I'm at work and thus sitting exactly here" |
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| 12:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | notes he has seen exactly same issue with NEO FR GPS, and that's been a mere sw problem |
| 12:08.20 | luke-jr | Shrik3: the community *can't* do it. |
| 12:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | so to blame hw receiver for poor sensitivity / whatever is debatable |
| 12:08.50 | luke-jr | Shrik3: Nokia won't give us the code ;) |
| 12:09.00 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the community can do it. |
| 12:09.17 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: it's possible just by turning on the GPS every hour for a minute or until lock. |
| 12:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | corecode: it seems nokias location services lib is doing exactly that, or at least it's planned |
| 12:09.41 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: it may be possible to do it more optimally if you had the GPS code that runs on the phone module, but that's never, ever going to happen |
| 12:09.45 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: minus the fact that GPS doesn't work at all. :) |
| 12:09.52 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: recall I'm still on N810 |
| 12:09.53 | rmrfchik | I use keepassx on desktop to keep passwords. I Wonder, is there something compatible on maemo5? |
| 12:09.59 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: ah - that |
| 12:10.11 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: forgot you had obsolete hardware. |
| 12:10.13 | tybollt | rmrfchik: keepassx is available on the N900 =) |
| 12:10.46 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: using no SIM, using the GPS-state-wipe tool - outside - it took up to 10 mins to lock. |
| 12:10.54 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that is not great performance. |
| 12:11.04 | rmrfchik | tybollt: oh, url? |
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| 12:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: see my comment on sw problem on gta02 |
| 12:11.33 | tybollt | rmrfchik: it's in the repos =) |
| 12:11.37 | tybollt | rmrfchik: hang on |
| 12:12.21 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 12:12.58 | tybollt | rmrfchik: http://maemo.org/packages/view/keepassx/ |
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| 12:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | corecode: Shrik3: ""LOCATION_METHOD_CWP - Complementary Wireless Positioning: ... or coordinates based on currently used GSM base station."" |
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| 12:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 12:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 12:21.22 | infobot | ~pong |
| 12:21.22 | pupnik | cool |
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| 12:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | friggin 3G gives me frequent timeouts on irc |
| 12:22.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | what a shit |
| 12:23.15 | sar3th | :| |
| 12:23.22 | rmrfchik | Nokia-N900-51-1:~# apt-cache search keepass |
| 12:23.23 | rmrfchik | Nokia-N900-51-1:~# |
| 12:23.24 | rmrfchik | :( |
| 12:23.35 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: openvpn ... |
| 12:23.44 | tybollt | RepositoryLatest version |
| 12:23.45 | tybollt | Fremantle Extras-devel free armelkeepassx 0.4.1 |
| 12:23.47 | rmrfchik | ah, it's devel |
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| 12:23.51 | Shrik3 | keep-ass |
| 12:23.52 | tybollt | rmrfchik: do you have devel repo? |
| 12:23.57 | Shrik3 | too bad it's still 1.x only |
| 12:24.04 | rmrfchik | not yet |
| 12:24.06 | Shrik3 | so you can't share databases with a 2.0 desktop client |
| 12:24.07 | rmrfchik | gimme sec |
| 12:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | keep ass what? |
| 12:24.50 | tybollt | whooa |
| 12:24.50 | rmrfchik | x ass |
| 12:25.02 | burchr | blinks |
| 12:25.21 | burchr | I take my eyes off #maemo for *one minute* and I come back to this? |
| 12:25.21 | SpeedEvil | x marks the spot |
| 12:25.34 | lardman | should be keepassxxx really |
| 12:26.51 | tybollt | woot? |
| 12:27.00 | tybollt | really, I couldn't find any of that in there? |
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| 12:34.03 | rmrfchik | finding the right way to transfer files to user on n900 |
| 12:34.30 | rmrfchik | I have root by ssh with password, but can't login with user by public key auth. |
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| 12:35.34 | Shrik3 | well set up pubkey auth then? |
| 12:36.05 | rmrfchik | Shrik3: in sshd_config Pubkey is enabled |
| 12:36.43 | SpeedEvil | check permissions on ~/.ssh/* |
| 12:36.50 | SpeedEvil | should be 600 |
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| 12:37.10 | SpeedEvil | also you need to set a user password |
| 12:37.16 | rmrfchik | drwx------ 2 user users 4096 Mar 9 15:29 /home/user/.ssh |
| 12:37.22 | rmrfchik | -rw------- 1 user users 223 Mar 9 15:29 /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 12:37.31 | SpeedEvil | And ensure your ~ is not a silly mode |
| 12:37.44 | rmrfchik | I've enabled empty passwords in sshd_config and restared sshd |
| 12:37.55 | rmrfchik | SpeedEvil: silly? |
| 12:37.57 | SpeedEvil | 777 |
| 12:38.04 | rmrfchik | drwxr-xr-x |
| 12:38.09 | SpeedEvil | looks ok |
| 12:38.20 | thresh | rmrfchik: subst ! by * in /etc/passwd for user |
| 12:38.21 | rmrfchik | is it safe to set password for user? |
| 12:38.28 | thresh | no need to set it. |
| 12:38.46 | thresh | worksforme (tm) |
| 12:38.46 | SpeedEvil | If you just copy over /root/.ssh to ~user/,ssh does it work - after chown |
| 12:38.54 | thresh | that is not the issue |
| 12:39.07 | rmrfchik | thresh: no help... |
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| 12:39.57 | rmrfchik | thresh: did you hacked sshd_config? |
| 12:40.07 | thresh | i'm using /etc/sshd/authorized_keys2/$username though |
| 12:41.26 | rmrfchik | keys in /etc/ssh? |
| 12:41.28 | rmrfchik | hm |
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| 12:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | anybody? libosso-abook (or relatives) - how ould I get a handle or the full content to/of a contact that matches a certain condition, e.g. contact for inbound number? |
| 12:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | you should think there's a generic method to do such a search |
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| 12:43.29 | thresh | rmrfchik: yeah but that shouldnt be an issue |
| 12:43.37 | rmrfchik | will check later |
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| 12:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: don't do that. it's silly |
| 12:47.17 | rmrfchik | what is silly. I did a lot of things ;) |
| 12:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | keeping authkeys in /etc/ssh is silly, on N900 |
| 12:48.17 | rmrfchik | i'm not going to do this. I will use ~user/.ssh as I always do |
| 12:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | btw pubkey auth for user works like a charm here |
| 12:48.31 | tybollt | yeah |
| 12:48.34 | tybollt | pubkey++ |
| 12:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | all it needed was checking perms for ~, ~/.ssh, and ~/.shh/autorized_keys |
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| 12:50.56 | rmrfchik | lol, my fault. when copy-pasting "ssh-rsa" became "sh-rsa" ;) |
| 12:51.01 | rmrfchik | now works |
| 12:51.38 | TigerTael | heh |
| 12:51.42 | tybollt | dsa>rsa |
| 12:52.07 | rmrfchik | i have rsa from ages |
| 12:52.23 | thresh | dsa is < rsa, actually |
| 12:53.39 | tybollt | of course it depends on implementation but perhaps so :) |
| 12:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | and my safe is made of 50cm steel |
| 12:54.50 | derf | points lardman's welding laser at it. |
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| 12:55.38 | thresh | iirc, rsa is faster in verifying while providing the same level of security |
| 12:56.54 | tybollt | thresh: I'd go ask Schneier but... meh :) |
| 12:56.59 | thresh | :-) |
| 12:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | opens backside wooden door of safe and places a stinky cheese inside the empty thing, so derf will find at least some reward for the effort |
| 12:59.46 | tybollt | mmmh |
| 12:59.48 | tybollt | stinky cheese |
| 12:59.53 | tybollt | is drooling |
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| 13:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | osso-abook anybody? I'm lost :-/ |
| 13:03.58 | mece | hey is there a wiki on how to add your application to bugs.maemo.org? |
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| 13:04.40 | lcuk | yes mece something like the maintainers guide |
| 13:04.54 | noobmonk3y | mece - just email bugzilla team, but yes there is a wiki - will find it |
| 13:04.55 | lcuk | ive read it but cant remember specifically where |
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| 13:07.18 | mece | hmm this perhaps: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products |
| 13:07.35 | noobmonk3y | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products |
| 13:07.39 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 13:07.39 | noobmonk3y | damn u beat me too it |
| 13:07.42 | noobmonk3y | yup tis the one |
| 13:08.02 | noobmonk3y | i sent a basic one, got one done fine |
| 13:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | nm, found osso_abook_aggregator_find_contacts_for_phone_number () |
| 13:09.32 | lardman | hmm, what's the normal number of chars to line wrap at? |
| 13:09.42 | lardman | my email client screws up ml posts quite royally |
| 13:10.00 | thresh | 78 ? |
| 13:10.10 | noobmonk3y | depends on the font size doesnt it? |
| 13:10.11 | derf | 72. |
| 13:10.22 | lardman | noobmonk3y: font size?! |
| 13:10.24 | noobmonk3y | starts noting down lottery numbers... doh too high |
| 13:10.31 | lardman | plain text my boy |
| 13:10.33 | noobmonk3y | well the bigger the font the less characters can fit on |
| 13:10.37 | thresh | yes, 72, my bad |
| 13:10.53 | lardman | derf: that's what I've gone for, may well just be that Outlook is crap at reformatting existing quoted text |
| 13:11.12 | noobmonk3y | plain text? whats that ;) hehe |
| 13:11.57 | derf | lardman: It certainly is that. |
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| 13:12.04 | thresh | first non-wrapped e-mails, then flash-only websites, then they piss over the urinals. |
| 13:12.24 | lardman | I'm bound to it by lots of archived data though |
| 13:12.36 | lardman | however when I get my new PC, I will break the shackles |
| 13:13.00 | crs | Hm. I am gonna ask once again. Sorry. Is there a way to get something like a widget with text field to update facebook statuses? |
| 13:13.32 | noobmonk3y | don't apologise :D |
| 13:13.33 | lardman | you can't iirc have text boxes on the desktop |
| 13:14.24 | noobmonk3y | hmmm a one tap widget and update app (Similar to googlesearch etc) could work :D |
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| 13:14.42 | crs | Why is that? Is there no application like for a iphone so on facebook it says: updated with iphone app or something like that? |
| 13:15.03 | lardman | I don;t have an iPhone, sorry |
| 13:15.06 | noobmonk3y | iphone, whats one of them apples? |
| 13:15.23 | noobmonk3y | hm mmm talk pages going sloooooooooooooooow |
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| 13:15.43 | lardman | I've not looked at TMO for weeks, not much point now |
| 13:15.55 | crs | never used ip. just've seen those updates on fb. |
| 13:15.58 | lardman | as I'll have to sit there for weeks seeing what I've missed |
| 13:16.17 | AndrewFBlack | lardman: you havn't missed much |
| 13:16.20 | lardman | crs: it would probably be possible to write one, assuming the api is open |
| 13:16.25 | lardman | AndrewFBlack: :) |
| 13:16.58 | noobmonk3y | facebook api is actually not too bad... reasonably user friendly |
| 13:18.31 | noobmonk3y | hmmmm who's the best person to harrass if i feel a wiki page needs a few changes and more visibility? |
| 13:19.21 | lardman | you should be able to make changes yourself to most pages |
| 13:19.28 | lardman | otherwise probably dneary |
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| 13:20.25 | noobmonk3y | Hmm i think i want a more open discussion as my views are normally wrong - might add it to a post on tmo when it becomes alive |
| 13:20.30 | crs | lardman: Is there a way I could place a 'demand' for that app? |
| 13:20.38 | noobmonk3y | lol demand? |
| 13:20.41 | noobmonk3y | or request? |
| 13:21.06 | lardman | crs: you could try asking on TMO and see if someone fancies writing something |
| 13:21.20 | noobmonk3y | create a thread in tmo titled [REQUEST] App name... and be decriptive |
| 13:21.28 | lardman | brainstorm perhaps? |
| 13:22.20 | mece | I think the [REQUEST] approach would be better. |
| 13:23.40 | crs | lardman: TMO stands for T⦠maemo.org? |
| 13:27.08 | hrw | task-slugos talk |
| 13:27.12 | hrw | ops |
| 13:27.14 | hrw | crs: talk |
| 13:27.17 | crs | thanks. |
| 13:27.22 | crs | Got another question. |
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| 13:28.29 | crs | I have some linux skills. How could I approach such a problem: I want to disable skype once connected to my home wifi (and work one for example - so there must be a list of wifi's) and enable back it as soon as I connect to mobile internet or wifi which is not on the list. |
| 13:29.21 | crs | s:(back)\ (it):\2 \1: |
| 13:29.44 | MohammadAG | browser controls don't show up in landscape mode :/ |
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| 13:31.37 | lardman | hi hrw |
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| 13:33.39 | lardman | crs: interesting |
| 13:34.09 | crs | lardman: Do you think it is possible/acceptable easy? |
| 13:34.14 | lardman | there is an event framework that you could hook into |
| 13:34.18 | lardman | I think it's possible |
| 13:34.37 | lardman | not sure how you'd be able to disable skype though, but I guess there are ways, just not sure how pretty |
| 13:34.39 | crs | checking in cron seems like one of sollutions |
| 13:35.06 | lardman | nah not cron, there's an event framework in extras*, so you could hook into wifi connection events |
| 13:35.25 | crs | lardman: is there a disconnect event available? |
| 13:35.28 | lardman | but cron-like |
| 13:35.31 | lardman | dunno |
| 13:35.57 | lardman | I've not even tried it, I was originally thinking of achipa's sheperd framework, but not sure where that's got to |
| 13:36.38 | lardman | shepherd of course |
| 13:36.57 | crs | Problem seems to be interesting, indeed. Now, I sit at my desk at home, chatting on skype and for every single msg I am getting notofication on phone as well. |
| 13:37.02 | rmrfchik | is missing aptitude feature which shows "New packages" after updating |
| 13:39.49 | crs | lardman: How is that package called you were talking about? |
| 13:39.54 | hrw | rmrfchik: not only you |
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| 13:41.00 | lardman | crs: good question, not sure, I just saw something with the description event framework when I was browsing the other day |
| 13:41.00 | lardman | sorry, not much help there |
| 13:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | dwimd? |
| 13:44.16 | lardman | is that the framework name? |
| 13:46.14 | crs | nope, does not look like. :) |
| 13:46.18 | Arif_ | yawns |
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| 13:48.14 | pupnik | curses. i somehow jostled display and it turned on. |
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| 13:51.09 | Arif_ | werz ma firmwarz? :( |
| 13:51.43 | rmrfchik | fbreader-page-buttons: Depends: fbreader (= 0.10.7-1) but 0.10.7-10 is to be installed |
| 13:51.47 | rmrfchik | :( |
| 13:52.19 | RST38h | You do not need this package |
| 13:52.34 | RST38h | No idea why it is still there |
| 13:53.29 | tybollt | Arif_++ |
| 13:53.46 | Arif_ | well |
| 13:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | fleas ate it |
| 13:53.57 | Arif_ | they can delay it if they make the media player non sucky |
| 13:53.58 | Arif_ | :p |
| 13:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 13:54.50 | tybollt | yes |
| 13:54.59 | Arif_ | which I doubt |
| 13:55.03 | tybollt | that |
| 13:55.09 | Arif_ | they'll just fix 3 bugs I never had |
| 13:55.09 | Arif_ | ;( |
| 13:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 13:55.40 | RST38h | wonders if it is possible at all to make the media player non sucky |
| 13:55.54 | RST38h | Given the amount of problems |
| 13:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | nothing a complete rewrite can't do |
| 13:56.18 | Arif_ | if they put more than 2 hours of work into it |
| 13:56.20 | Arif_ | :P |
| 13:56.34 | RST38h | DocScrut: In a clean room free of Nokia UX people |
| 13:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrrrrhrrrrr |
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| 13:57.03 | tybollt | wonders if maemo suffers from the same problem freerunner etc did |
| 13:57.17 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: in some ways, yes |
| 13:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | which one of the 500k specifically? |
| 13:57.30 | Arif_ | what are those problems |
| 13:57.32 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:57.33 | tybollt | the people in charge change direction so often the techs do not have enough time to implement something sane |
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| 13:57.44 | SpeedEvil | that's pretty much it. |
| 13:57.51 | tybollt | like... |
| 13:58.06 | SpeedEvil | Though nokia at least puts enough resources in to get a basically functional system at each iteration. |
| 13:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: aaah THAT one |
| 13:58.10 | tybollt | now the developers were focusing on fixing maemo, they all of a sudden find themselves working on meego |
| 13:58.33 | SpeedEvil | Added to no communication between the corporate descisionmaking, and communitu |
| 13:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: jury's still out on that one |
| 13:58.45 | SpeedEvil | which is again familiar |
| 13:58.55 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was meaning more of OMs problems |
| 13:59.01 | RST38h | no reason why corporates SHOULD communicate with you |
| 13:59.11 | RST38h | you are no shareholder |
| 13:59.34 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Indeed - however - if they want apps - they have to communicate to that community |
| 13:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I was meaning the "enough resources to get something" |
| 14:00.06 | RST38h | Speed: They do not want apps. |
| 14:00.14 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: they're acting like it |
| 14:00.31 | RST38h | Speed: Corporate people are completely different from normal technical people. Just look at Ari Jaaksi's blog |
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| 14:00.43 | rmrfchik | built-in contacts is epic fail :( |
| 14:00.49 | RST38h | work for me |
| 14:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | it's a gasbrain |
| 14:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | no custom fields, insane combinatoric explosion if dial-buttons |
| 14:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 14:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | of* |
| 14:02.12 | SpeedEvil | Contacts works fine for me. |
| 14:02.12 | RST38h | Speed: Even if they do at some level of abstraction understand that they want people to use/develop for their platform, the details of this process completely escape them |
| 14:02.18 | SpeedEvil | Of course - I have 4... |
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| 14:02.46 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes, I know. |
| 14:02.51 | RST38h | Speed: It is considered something for the lower-level subordinates to figure out |
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| 14:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | and then osso-abook :-(( |
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| 14:04.12 | RST38h | Speed: As far as my crystal balls are telling me, the main goals for the Nokia corporates are 1) sell more hardware 2) minimize non-essential expenses, such as developing and supporting firmware |
| 14:04.50 | edheldil | nah, it's 1) Make more money |
| 14:04.54 | tybollt | MOAR |
| 14:05.07 | RST38h | Where #2 is done by methods that have not changed for decades (i.e. large unfrequent firmware updates, separate code branch for each device, etc) |
| 14:05.19 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes. |
| 14:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | 2) make more money 3)..10) even MORE |
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| 14:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | and it's ok |
| 14:05.39 | RST38h | Doc: Nothing wrong with wanting to make more money |
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| 14:05.47 | RST38h | Doc: Nokia is a business, it exists for making money |
| 14:06.05 | RST38h | Doc: BTW, nothing wrong with selling more hardware either |
| 14:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | agree, see last line |
| 14:06.31 | RST38h | It is #2 that is starting to develop some cracks, compared to other companies |
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| 14:10.26 | Arif_ | did someone say cracks? :P |
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| 14:11.10 | rmrfchik | beat my shiny metal ass! |
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| 14:11.56 | thresh | "bite" |
| 14:13.19 | lardman | anyone had any dealings with directX? |
| 14:13.37 | lardman | specifically video pipelines, or whatever they call them |
| 14:13.41 | rmrfchik | o_O |
| 14:13.50 | rmrfchik | is checking channel name |
| 14:13.56 | VDVsx | does installing it counts ? :D |
| 14:13.57 | rmrfchik | oh, good, it's still maemo |
| 14:13.59 | VDVsx | hides |
| 14:14.10 | RST38h | lardman: only directdraw here. and it sucks. |
| 14:14.34 | RST38h | thresh: Why, beating also works... |
| 14:14.39 | lardman | hmm, perhaps that's what I want |
| 14:14.41 | AndrewFBlack | whats full location of the MyDocs folder? |
| 14:14.52 | lardman | I need to intercept some video that is being written to file |
| 14:15.02 | RST38h | lardman: No, that is not what you want |
| 14:15.08 | lardman | apparently it's being done using direct-something |
| 14:15.08 | VDVsx | AndrewFBlack, /home/user/MyDocs |
| 14:15.15 | lardman | RST38h: oh, shame, np |
| 14:15.16 | thresh | RST38h: you never watched futurama, did you? |
| 14:15.43 | RST38h | thresh: No, although I am omewhat familiar with the main characters |
| 14:16.03 | AndrewFBlack | VDVsx: ohh yeah forgot it hasn't moved I keep thinking it should be listed as a mmc because its on a card now |
| 14:16.13 | RST38h | almost swallows a spoon: The Independent is now owner by a Russian oligarch |
| 14:16.19 | RST38h | owned |
| 14:16.31 | RST38h | How ironic =) |
| 14:17.14 | VDVsx | ~lart FF |
| 14:17.15 | infobot | beats FF severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
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| 14:18.37 | lardman | hmm, looks like I need to write a DirectX Media Object and replace the one this app uses so I can get access to the raw data |
| 14:18.45 | lardman | drat |
| 14:19.03 | cvandonderen | hello |
| 14:19.14 | cvandonderen | does anybody know how to connect XMing to the N900? |
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| 14:21.57 | lardman | ~curse equipment suppliers unwilling to make small sw modifications to make my life easier |
| 14:21.57 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, equipment suppliers unwilling to make small sw modifications to make my life easier ! |
| 14:22.11 | lardman | infobot: they probably already are, try again |
| 14:23.36 | VDVsx | ehehe |
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| 14:25.40 | rmrfchik | is there keyboard layout indicator in status bar? |
| 14:26.24 | lardman | SpeedEvil: you about? |
| 14:26.32 | lardman | or any other electronics gurus? |
| 14:26.47 | lardman | SPI -> Bluetooth, cheapest way? |
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| 14:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: uh? |
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| 14:31.52 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: just pondering compasses again |
| 14:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 14:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: BT->rs232, with special driver and then bitbanging RTS/CTS/foo/bar should do |
| 14:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | or BT->lpt |
| 14:34.32 | lardman | hmm, sounds like a steep learning curve |
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| 14:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | bt doesn't come for free |
| 14:35.06 | lardman | I know |
| 14:35.52 | thesov | anyone know if the meego os will be available for the n900 |
| 14:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 14:37.45 | thesov | crud |
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| 14:40.25 | cehteh | someone at nokia probably know :) |
| 14:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 14:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 14:40.58 | Hoxzer | >:( I hope they dont break the non-gui compatability |
| 14:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | someone at nokia might think he knows |
| 14:41.03 | cehteh | haha .. well someone at nokia doesnt know that he doesnt know it :) |
| 14:41.23 | cehteh | Hoxzer: they will |
| 14:41.43 | cehteh | the middleware will be replaced in big parts coming from moblin |
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| 14:42.39 | cehteh | wonders if they keep device specific things like bme and mce |
| 14:42.52 | Arif_ | buy a new device! |
| 14:42.57 | cehteh | no |
| 14:43.22 | cehteh | i stay and develop on n900 .. if things dont work on a device i dont own i dont care |
| 14:43.33 | cehteh | and i'd suggest to any devel to do the same :P |
| 14:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 14:44.18 | cehteh | thats progressive and the only thing the community can do to push nokia to provide meego for the n900 |
| 14:44.39 | cehteh | i dont like the ideas telling to abadon nokia, maemo or whatever .. |
| 14:45.11 | Arif_ | port your apps to the new device |
| 14:45.14 | Arif_ | and demand one from Nokia :P |
| 14:45.48 | cehteh | no i dont care .. point |
| 14:46.23 | lcuk | cehteh, i think the intent is to write everything in qt |
| 14:46.31 | lcuk | and the middleware layer problem vanishes |
| 14:47.12 | cehteh | well i am not real maemo developer yet just fixing my own itches .. but if i would, then asking nokia for a device (which they surely give out for serious developers) still leaves customers and not-as serious developers (like i am now) behind |
| 14:47.28 | cehteh | lcuk: meego will support gtk as well |
| 14:47.56 | cehteh | and for myself i dont like qt that much, might make sense as platform for such a device, but i still dont like it |
| 14:48.03 | noobmonk3y | it will? - but lcuck does know all :) (You can find his words of wisdom inside christmas crackers too!) |
| 14:48.13 | noobmonk3y | lcuk even * |
| 14:48.20 | burchr | lcuk's wisdom will be written in email signatures for thousands of yers to come |
| 14:48.47 | cehteh | Qt is certainly the offical route nokia takes and all core apps will be qt |
| 14:48.58 | burchr | s/yers/years/ |
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| 14:51.51 | noobmonk3y | infobot: is on the ball today ;) |
| 14:56.09 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 14:56.13 | Arif_ | I made a mess of my codecs ;( |
| 14:56.45 | tybollt | you made a mess? |
| 14:56.46 | tybollt | awww |
| 14:56.55 | tybollt | here - a fresh diaper for you |
| 14:57.07 | Arif_ | that won't make h264 play... |
| 14:57.16 | noobmonk3y | awww codec diapers! |
| 14:57.19 | Arif_ | hits tybollt with codecs |
| 14:57.34 | noobmonk3y | codec slapping too? wow... this place is going downhill ;) |
| 14:57.37 | Arif_ | why can't people just use one standard, damnit |
| 14:57.38 | Arif_ | :P |
| 14:57.49 | noobmonk3y | pen and paper will sooooon rullle the world i say! |
| 14:58.09 | noobmonk3y | until apple bring out the ifruit pen... then we are all buggered |
| 14:58.28 | Lumpio- | ew |
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| 14:58.57 | noobmonk3y | oh fcuck... they already have - http://www.mikejamesmedia.com/modo_media/modo_wip/ipad_ipen/ipad_ipen_004b.jpg |
| 14:59.07 | noobmonk3y | doom i say, dooooooooooooooooom |
| 15:01.06 | alden | http://nextwebblogs.thenextweb.netdna-cdn.com/shareables/files/2010/02/The-Future-of-Apple.jpg |
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| 15:04.20 | noobmonk3y | loving the imat ;) - iTwister following ;) |
| 15:05.28 | lcuk | cehteh, of course it will |
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| 15:05.34 | Arif_ | oo |
| 15:05.36 | Arif_ | iPaper |
| 15:05.50 | Arif_ | you can only write on with an iPencil |
| 15:05.53 | Arif_ | and it can't be erased |
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| 15:07.00 | noobmonk3y | lol.... invisible iink ;) |
| 15:07.40 | Arif_ | and you can store it in an iMap |
| 15:08.19 | tybollt | these jokes are a tad ... old, no? |
| 15:08.25 | Arif_ | yes |
| 15:08.25 | lcuk | iOld? |
| 15:09.39 | noobmonk3y | oh the genius... |
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| 15:10.00 | noobmonk3y | dont joke the i900 may just be your next paper-based-smart-pad |
| 15:10.13 | Arif_ | Samsung has one :p |
| 15:10.23 | noobmonk3y | :D true, as good as a piece of ipaper too. |
| 15:10.28 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, nahhh |
| 15:10.42 | lcuk | iphone doesnt like using stylus/pen |
| 15:10.55 | lcuk | liqbase on maemo/meego/hp will do that |
| 15:11.12 | Arif_ | iPhone feeds on your money ={ |
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| 15:11.39 | lcuk | iphone users are iBabies, they still do finger painting |
| 15:11.56 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 15:12.01 | Arif_ | no new apps in Ovi yet |
| 15:12.08 | tybollt | ovi store? |
| 15:12.11 | tybollt | yeah... |
| 15:12.12 | Arif_ | checks every day :D |
| 15:12.17 | tybollt | good luck w/ ovi store... :-) |
| 15:12.23 | noobmonk3y | ovi what? that thing still going? |
| 15:12.41 | Arif_ | I can't buy something if they add it anyway |
| 15:12.44 | Arif_ | =} |
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| 15:15.37 | Karlosos | is qt the only programme i can play with to make apps or is there others |
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| 15:18.36 | noobmonk3y | karlosos - by program do you mean IDE? |
| 15:18.49 | noobmonk3y | or programming language? |
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| 15:21.52 | Karlosos | i dont realy know just beginning to learn qt now so maybe i might ask when i know more |
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| 15:23.24 | noobmonk3y | QT is the best ide that i know off, but can depend on a few things, search the developers pages on maemo.org :D will give you some ideas :D |
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| 15:24.42 | Karlosos | cheers i will do but i aint no programmer but am very quick at learning when it comes to pc's |
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| 15:25.14 | noobmonk3y | i didnt have a clue a month ago and now have an app in testing (OK with a lot of help, hehe) |
| 15:25.26 | noobmonk3y | i started from scratch on linux, qt and python (pyQT) |
| 15:25.45 | Karlosos | nice to know i aint by myself lol |
| 15:26.17 | lcuk | is still a noob in some respects and even fired up and made a vb application the other night |
| 15:26.18 | noobmonk3y | hehe there is a fw of us - this channel is a good place to get help too :D |
| 15:26.28 | Karlosos | people keep saying you need to be a programmer to do all this but you have just proved u dont |
| 15:26.43 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, you are a dev in dayjob arent you? |
| 15:26.48 | noobmonk3y | naaa you definitley do not :) - lcuk will prove that i am not a master programmer, he has seen my code lol |
| 15:26.53 | noobmonk3y | i'm an IT advisor lol |
| 15:26.57 | noobmonk3y | but not a coder lol |
| 15:27.03 | lcuk | you still arent |
| 15:27.06 | noobmonk3y | i spend my days writing strategy for the NHS lol |
| 15:27.21 | noobmonk3y | but yes do have experience in flash, vb etc |
| 15:27.29 | noobmonk3y | but very similar to what i have done in pyqt.... |
| 15:27.46 | noobmonk3y | i learn it, use it and then move on, if i need it again i normally relearn |
| 15:27.59 | noobmonk3y | 's brain is a sieve |
| 15:28.25 | noobmonk3y | is going to bit*ch slap the laptop with safeboot on it behind me soon.... fan is going mad! |
| 15:28.42 | Karlosos | when i first started with pc's 6 years ago got taught all the ilegal stuff and within an hour i ws showing the guy who taught me stuff so i can say i do learn quick |
| 15:30.05 | Karlosos | if a comp does ma head in i just do a format cant be arsed messing around cause sometimes messing takes llonger that a format |
| 15:30.11 | noobmonk3y | cool :) - well in the pyqt example... i've ended up coding and testing on the device using pygtk editor (just a notepad that can run the pythong files really).... i only use qt when i want to redesign the gui - saying that it probably isnt the best way :D |
| 15:30.35 | noobmonk3y | hello world will take you a grand total of about 2 minutes to write and run to get something going :D |
| 15:30.52 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, sounds perfectly sensivble if you ask me |
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| 15:31.05 | lcuk | sensible too |
| 15:31.07 | noobmonk3y | hehe - saves me arsing around with ssh (Which does work well to be fair) |
| 15:31.29 | Funnyface | yay my N900 has been shipped, I hope it'll arrive soon :) |
| 15:31.31 | Karlosos | ok so its going to take me a while to have an app made |
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| 15:31.53 | lcuk | Karlosos, you can have an app made in 10 minutes |
| 15:32.01 | noobmonk3y | Funnyface: W000000000p |
| 15:32.05 | lcuk | however you would not understand it for a lot longer |
| 15:32.26 | noobmonk3y | yup you can :D - and published to extras-devel in 45 :D |
| 15:33.15 | Karlosos | nice lcuk i take it your from leicester |
| 15:33.20 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 15:33.34 | noobmonk3y | manc arn't ya? ;) |
| 15:33.53 | Karlosos | i am huddersfield |
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| 15:34.21 | noobmonk3y | darn northeners ;) - technically anything north of the a27 is a northener for me ;) |
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| 15:35.17 | Karlosos | us northerners are a pain but not has bad as you southerners lol |
| 15:35.42 | noobmonk3y | hehe :) - i'm 1/2 aussie - so quite southern at times :D |
| 15:35.52 | burchr | stares at noobmonk3y |
| 15:36.00 | burchr | I thought I was the only one |
| 15:36.01 | burchr | :P |
| 15:36.01 | noobmonk3y | winks at burchr |
| 15:36.13 | noobmonk3y | hehehe |
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| 15:36.41 | burchr | where in aus were you from? |
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| 15:36.42 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: 8 days to go 12/10 thumbs up's :D |
| 15:36.59 | noobmonk3y | Ahhh now this is a looooooong story :D (Adopted, both rents where aussie) |
| 15:37.06 | noobmonk3y | born in london though |
| 15:37.17 | Karlosos | othe only think wrong with this phone is i feel as if i should be in the series 24 catching terrorists lol |
| 15:37.20 | noobmonk3y | but - Bendigo :D |
| 15:37.25 | noobmonk3y | lol Karlosos |
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| 15:39.06 | Karlosos | does anybody else think this type of phone could cause world problems |
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| 15:40.02 | Karlosos | i aint complaining cause i love it but seriously you could do so much damage with this |
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| 15:43.01 | Bactius | many great inventions can be used for both good and evil |
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| 15:44.00 | Karlosos | think of all those we will never get to use |
| 15:45.45 | noobmonk3y | lol :) |
| 15:45.49 | noobmonk3y | world damage sounds fun to me :D |
| 15:45.56 | noobmonk3y | has a nice cup of coffee :D |
| 15:46.38 | Karlosos | can you hack into peoples phones using bluetooth with this |
| 15:46.56 | noobmonk3y | hmmmm ... dont think so easily, but there is a wireless sniffer around |
| 15:47.25 | noobmonk3y | think it sniffs images out of wireless - will test that in a few weeks - when i use joiku for a bit |
| 15:47.39 | Karlosos | lol |
| 15:48.13 | noobmonk3y | How long have you had your device? |
| 15:48.15 | mtd | anybody have microSD card recommendations for the n900? |
| 15:48.28 | noobmonk3y | erm, mine works fine, lol - no idea what it is mtd |
| 15:48.38 | Karlosos | get some homemade pornographic videos lol people beware dont leave homemade images noobmonk3y is going to get ya |
| 15:48.46 | noobmonk3y | hahaha ;) |
| 15:48.55 | Bactius | lol |
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| 15:49.01 | Karlosos | 2 weeks now |
| 15:49.12 | noobmonk3y | cool :) - have you delved into testing or devel yet? |
| 15:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | mtd: don't buy kingston |
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| 15:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 |
| 15:49.58 | Karlosos | yeah but scared to now cause had a theme problem which i uninstalled programmes to get themes working again |
| 15:50.16 | cvandonderen | Is there anywhere where I can enable XDMCP on the N900? |
| 15:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | mtd: I got me a nokia 16BG, reasonable priced and works |
| 15:50.23 | cvandonderen | there is no /etc/X11/xdm or whatever |
| 15:50.27 | noobmonk3y | lol all depends on the problem :D |
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| 15:50.46 | noobmonk3y | Karlosos: my app healthcheck is in testing if you fancy seeing what took me a month to do :) |
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| 15:51.01 | mtd | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 15:51.08 | noobmonk3y | good link DocScrutinizer |
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| 15:51.24 | Karlosos | if i download something and breaks this i aint covered for a new one |
| 15:51.28 | abe3k | hello |
| 15:51.58 | noobmonk3y | hehe, you can always frelash - but i'd recommend you learn and understand the flasher :D |
| 15:52.17 | noobmonk3y | re-flash* |
| 15:52.19 | Karlosos | but i do go in and try so if i does break its my own fault anyway cause they warn you |
| 15:52.57 | noobmonk3y | hehe, rule of thumb in testing is check the package scores first, doesnt auto matically make it safe, but does mean the testers are trying to break it and havnt yet if there are high scores |
| 15:52.59 | Karlosos | i tried reflashing when i had the problem but have read vodafone has put a lock on so you cant |
| 15:53.06 | noobmonk3y | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/healthcheck/0.6.0-5/ |
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| 15:53.13 | noobmonk3y | voda locks things? |
| 15:53.14 | noobmonk3y | really? |
| 15:53.28 | noobmonk3y | i'm UK vodafone (through MPD) - and reflashed to generic firmware last month |
| 15:53.52 | noobmonk3y | doesnt sound right to me |
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| 15:54.07 | noobmonk3y | as far as i am aware there is no supplier software on any of them.........yet |
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| 15:54.29 | m2cm2c | hi guys :) |
| 15:54.31 | Karlosos | it let me get to flasher mode but wouldnt go any further maybe me doing a mistake but i followed to the exact |
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| 15:54.41 | noobmonk3y | hey m2cm2c |
| 15:54.50 | m2cm2c | noobmonk3y, hey :) |
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| 15:55.09 | noobmonk3y | hmmm doesnt sound correct - should work, happy to walk you through it one day as i will prob reflash mine soon :D - nice to start afresh every so often |
| 15:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense |
| 15:55.21 | Karlosos | is the generic one the new firmware only in us |
| 15:55.30 | noobmonk3y | there is a worldwide generic firmware |
| 15:55.42 | Karlosos | whats the difference |
| 15:56.01 | m2cm2c | I'm wondering if any of you guys use my lfocus script on the n900 |
| 15:56.07 | noobmonk3y | none that i can see yet, lots of rumours on t.m.o about it ...... something about UK suppliers having issues blah blah |
| 15:56.14 | noobmonk3y | lfocus? |
| 15:56.18 | noobmonk3y | that the video focus one? |
| 15:56.22 | m2cm2c | yes |
| 15:56.23 | nid0 | the issue you're getting with the flasher will be more down to using win7 x64 or similar rather than it being "locked" - there are no n900's that're locked from reflashing, and afaik that wouldnt be possible even if an operator wanted to |
| 15:56.31 | noobmonk3y | hhh read about it, not used it yet :( sry |
| 15:56.35 | noobmonk3y | ahhhhhh* |
| 15:56.47 | noobmonk3y | good point nid0 |
| 15:56.51 | DocScrutinizer | there's a voda image. But that's probably just some nagware they decided to add |
| 15:56.53 | m2cm2c | cool |
| 15:56.55 | noobmonk3y | brb fresh air break :D |
| 15:57.02 | Karlosos | i am on vista |
| 15:57.18 | nid0 | theres no nagware on the voda image, as far as it's possible to tell 203 variant == 205 variant |
| 15:57.26 | nid0 | and both 203 and 205 basically == global |
| 15:57.38 | Karlosos | when you install the firmware where do u run it or do u need to double click it |
| 15:57.45 | m2cm2c | I was wondering if theres a way to disable the dimming applied on the background when you open up a dialog over the camera app with python |
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| 15:58.03 | Bactius | lol I read V |
| 15:58.16 | Bactius | "vodka image" |
| 15:59.05 | Karlosos | image yes |
| 16:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | btw never claim it's impossible to lock the phone. See what moto did to milestone |
| 16:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | and /me away now, before I get started about N9xx+ with TPM chip and DRM :-((( |
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| 16:02.02 | tybollt | w/ moto? |
| 16:02.10 | tybollt | isn't the whole android thing about lockin? |
| 16:02.14 | noobmonk3y | Karlosos: you run it via the flasher software on your pc (command prompt normally) |
| 16:02.24 | tybollt | isn't that why n900/maemi gained momentum? it was !lockin |
| 16:02.30 | tybollt | was supposed to be |
| 16:02.43 | noobmonk3y | mine was a 203 image, now generic no major change apart from new firmware benefits (supposedly) |
| 16:03.09 | Karlosos | noobmonk3y thanks thats where i made mistake i thought you had to run through command |
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| 16:03.39 | noobmonk3y | :D took about 4 mins to flash and about 1 hour to re-install the apps (Settings where saved in the backup i did prior) |
| 16:04.29 | nid0 | I got the entire process done in ~10 mins when I reflashed from uk generic to global :p |
| 16:04.29 | m2cm2c | noobmonk3y, I always download the apps separately and keep them backed up :D |
| 16:04.34 | Karlosos | i would just start afresh and download all again lol |
| 16:04.35 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 16:04.46 | nid0 | it will download them all again |
| 16:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: HTC is andridiot and still they hack it and have new free OS. Milestone is locktite bootloader |
| 16:04.57 | nid0 | the backup just keeps a list of the apps and the repos theyre in |
| 16:05.00 | noobmonk3y | yeah it tells you what you had and asks you to dload, so be on a wireless and away you go |
| 16:05.06 | nid0 | then when you restore the backup it adds the repos and redownloads them |
| 16:05.26 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 16:05.29 | noobmonk3y | all nice n easy :D |
| 16:05.57 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: aaah you mean like that |
| 16:06.25 | Karlosos | ok i will get off now and give it a go |
| 16:10.01 | m2cm2c | byebye |
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| 16:30.11 | josephnexus | hello everyone! |
| 16:30.23 | josephnexus | i ordered my n900 and am setting up my IMAP server for mail syncing |
| 16:30.31 | josephnexus | does the n900 support offline syncing of IMAP folders? |
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| 16:31.48 | josephnexus | my concern is what happens when I don't have data access (out of range or something) and I need to reference something in an old message |
| 16:34.53 | noobmonk3y | w0000p |
| 16:34.53 | noobmonk3y | lo josephnexus |
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| 16:35.02 | noobmonk3y | erm good question |
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| 16:35.18 | josephnexus | i'd hope I can use somet of that 32GB for email |
| 16:35.25 | josephnexus | i've got like 3GB of mail (after compression) |
| 16:35.30 | josephnexus | so probably 4 or 5 GB of mail |
| 16:35.31 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 16:35.36 | josephnexus | that i'd like to have accessible all of the time |
| 16:35.42 | noobmonk3y | any specific mail supplier or just generic? |
| 16:35.50 | josephnexus | just a generic IMAP server |
| 16:36.03 | nid0 | it sortof does and doesnt |
| 16:36.05 | josephnexus | (IMAP isn't an apple product... :-P) |
| 16:36.14 | josephnexus | I want to use IMAP with my IPad :-P |
| 16:36.15 | josephnexus | jk |
| 16:36.23 | noobmonk3y | nokiamessaging wokrs well for me with imap :D |
| 16:36.24 | josephnexus | bleh.. the "i" this and "i" that bugs me |
| 16:36.24 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 16:36.25 | nid0 | itll allow offline viewing of messages that you've actually synced |
| 16:36.27 | noobmonk3y | using yahoo though |
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| 16:36.37 | josephnexus | what is nokiamessaging? |
| 16:36.46 | nid0 | but by default the mail client will only download headers when syncing, itll only fetch the actual message when you view it |
| 16:36.53 | nid0 | and that message will then be available offline |
| 16:37.08 | josephnexus | nid0, so I can't do a "select all" -> "sync all" type of action? |
| 16:37.09 | andre__ | josephnexus, an email push service |
| 16:37.11 | nid0 | theres no way that I can find to alter the client to sync full messages rather than just headers |
| 16:37.19 | josephnexus | :-( |
| 16:37.42 | josephnexus | is there a bug of feature request open for it on the maemo site? |
| 16:37.46 | josephnexus | that seems kind of essential to me |
| 16:37.47 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 16:38.18 | nid0 | there are various other mail clients in the works though afaik, the built in mail client is pretty shockingly bad as it is |
| 16:38.27 | nid0 | and never know, 1.2 might make it a bit less terribad |
| 16:38.29 | noobmonk3y | nokia messaging =http://email.nokia.com/account/home.action |
| 16:38.45 | noobmonk3y | It allows me to push my yahoo / imap mail to my phone easily - along with other accounts |
| 16:38.56 | josephnexus | i don't like the idea of handing my creds out to another company |
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| 16:40.17 | noobmonk3y | credit cards? |
| 16:40.19 | noobmonk3y | its free lol |
| 16:40.21 | nid0 | on the subject of being insecure about your login details though |
| 16:40.25 | josephnexus | credentials for email |
| 16:40.40 | noobmonk3y | hmmm - true can't say i trust nokia hugely - but does work fine for me |
| 16:40.42 | nid0 | it's worth noting that in either case your imap login details are going to be stored 1) by nokia messaging or 2) on your nokia device. |
| 16:40.57 | josephnexus | yeah... but I can take a hammer to my nokia device |
| 16:41.05 | noobmonk3y | lol ;) - not if it is stolen ;) |
| 16:41.06 | josephnexus | i can't take a hammer to the nokia messaging service |
| 16:41.11 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 16:41.19 | nid0 | not if you lose it, pinching nokia messaging's servers is a damn sight harder |
| 16:41.20 | josephnexus | you know what I mean though |
| 16:41.26 | noobmonk3y | and lol - you could if you took a jcb to the nokia server building |
| 16:41.33 | josephnexus | lol |
| 16:41.42 | noobmonk3y | the hammer might then be a bit irrelevant |
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| 16:42.51 | nid0 | the point I was making though is that if it comes down to not trusting nokia you're pretty screwed either way as you have to give your password either to their service or their device, but out of the two of them i'd imagine their messaging service is a damn sight more secure |
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| 16:43.09 | josephnexus | depends on perspective |
| 16:43.15 | josephnexus | i'll be rigging a thermite pack to my phone! |
| 16:43.16 | josephnexus | woohoo! |
| 16:43.17 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 16:43.31 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 16:43.31 | josephnexus | jk |
| 16:43.34 | josephnexus | i know what you mean |
| 16:43.39 | noobmonk3y | i'll stick with NM for now, as it works :D |
| 16:43.49 | josephnexus | i'm just trying to work out the best strategy so that i can have access to my mail on my workstation |
| 16:43.51 | josephnexus | laptop |
| 16:43.53 | josephnexus | and my new mobile device |
| 16:44.35 | nid0 | just adding the account via imap will work, but youll only have offline viewing of messages you've previously viewed |
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| 16:47.43 | noobmonk3y | back laters alls :D |
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| 16:49.04 | josephnexus | nid0... i might have to spend a night reading and organizing things then |
| 16:49.04 | josephnexus | :-P |
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| 16:49.28 | josephnexus | nid0: does the mail client support occasionally checking for new messages? |
| 16:49.32 | josephnexus | and running in the background? |
| 16:49.38 | josephnexus | or do I need to use nokiamessaging for that? |
| 16:50.12 | nid0 | you can set automatic update intervals of between 5 minutes and 2 hours |
| 16:50.24 | nid0 | and can specify whether to only update when connected to wifi, or do it all the time |
| 16:50.51 | josephnexus | ok |
| 16:50.52 | josephnexus | excellent |
| 16:50.58 | josephnexus | at least we've got that then |
| 16:50.58 | josephnexus | :-p |
| 16:51.19 | josephnexus | does the unread/read status update well via IMAP? |
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| 16:51.41 | josephnexus | or am I going to be showing 90k unread messages when I do my first sync? |
| 16:52.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | josephnexus: use pop3 with "don't delete msgs on server". poll interval can be configured on almost every mail client |
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| 16:54.15 | josephnexus | yes, but that doesn't resolve syncing and folder issues |
| 16:54.24 | josephnexus | these messages will be read across 3 devices |
| 16:54.32 | josephnexus | using pop3 would be exceptionally painful |
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| 16:55.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | uhuh |
| 16:55.54 | nid0 | you're not going to get unread messages when syncing via imap |
| 16:56.09 | nid0 | modest's imap implementation is pretty wank, but it does sync read statuses properly like it should |
| 16:56.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | wait till you get to learn how painfull IMAP is with a wacky connectivity |
| 16:56.41 | josephnexus | that's why I was hoping to offline sync most of my message |
| 16:56.45 | josephnexus | err... messages |
| 16:56.58 | nid0 | though, it wont show deleted messages - again I cant find how to alter the behaviour, but it just doesnt show deleted messages, with no apparent way to display them or purge them from the device |
| 16:57.18 | josephnexus | nid0: wouldn't we expect some sort of autopurge? |
| 16:57.25 | josephnexus | or am I going to be losing space over time? |
| 16:58.28 | nid0 | essentially there's no way to actually fully delete messages from the device |
| 16:58.47 | nid0 | when you delete a message itll get deleted, but theres then no way to purge it without doing so from a proper email client |
| 16:59.23 | josephnexus | ah, you are referring to imap issues |
| 16:59.23 | josephnexus | ok |
| 16:59.28 | josephnexus | that's fine |
| 16:59.36 | josephnexus | my workstation clients will auto-purge on every close |
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| 16:59.48 | josephnexus | so if the message lingers until I get home, that should be fine |
| 16:59.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | omg |
| 16:59.52 | josephnexus | no more than 30-40 messages |
| 17:00.02 | josephnexus | ??? |
| 17:00.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | suggests webmailer |
| 17:00.44 | nid0 | just having a proper mail client on the device would be quite nice tbh :< |
| 17:00.59 | josephnexus | isn't there some work regarding a port of thunderbird? |
| 17:01.57 | nid0 | you could probably install the full desktop tb using easydebian |
| 17:02.10 | nid0 | that'd undoubtedly be impossible to use properly tho |
| 17:03.22 | nid0 | there is also a functioning version of the Claws client in extras-devel, it isnt hildonized though but apparently does work |
| 17:03.39 | josephnexus | has never used claws |
| 17:03.57 | josephnexus | what's the address for the current bugtracker? |
| 17:04.01 | josephnexus | for maemo? |
| 17:04.07 | josephnexus | i'd like to know where to file bug reports and such |
| 17:04.16 | nid0 | https://bugs.maemo.org/ |
| 17:06.05 | josephnexus | looks like a bunch of bugs... but nothing super critical |
| 17:06.58 | lardman | cu later chaps |
| 17:07.11 | josephnexus | how often does nokia push updates out? |
| 17:07.14 | josephnexus | fairly often? |
| 17:07.29 | nid0 | there've been 2 minor and 1 major firmware updates since release |
| 17:07.36 | nid0 | the next major update's expected soon |
| 17:07.40 | josephnexus | ok |
| 17:07.50 | josephnexus | are these closed as they are fixed, or when updates are released for them? |
| 17:08.07 | josephnexus | in other words, can we see what is scheduled to be pushed out because it is already fixed? |
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| 17:09.00 | nid0 | theyre marked as fixed as soon as theyre fixed on internal builds |
| 17:09.21 | nid0 | so you can see whats getting fixed in terms of bugs in the upcoming releases |
| 17:10.23 | josephnexus | ok |
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| 17:10.30 | josephnexus | same with enhancements too I assume? |
| 17:11.45 | nid0 | with minor enhancements that're filed as bugs, yes |
| 17:16.52 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hmm. The MMC pins can all be switched to GPIO. |
| 17:17.21 | josephnexus | also, when maemo6 or meego is released, will it be available for the n900? |
| 17:17.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. yes. So...? |
| 17:17.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: compass, or what ? |
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| 17:21.41 | josephnexus | A lot of these issues are being marked as wontfix, as in... wait for maemo6 |
| 17:22.30 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: whatever. |
| 17:22.42 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: just found it interesting. |
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| 17:23.12 | nid0 | josephnexus most wontfix's that i've found tend to be niggly enhancement requests rather than actual bugs as such |
| 17:23.25 | josephnexus | yeah |
| 17:24.09 | hrw | but remember that FIXED does not mean that you will get it in next firmware update |
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| 17:24.48 | josephnexus | what does it mean then hrw? |
| 17:25.21 | SpeedEvil | fixed means it's fixed in an internal version. |
| 17:25.29 | SpeedEvil | This doesn't mean that it'll ship at any PR |
| 17:25.32 | hrw | josephnexus: it means 'we fixed it internally' |
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| 17:27.18 | josephnexus | hmm... you'd think they want to push updates out to people |
| 17:27.22 | hrw | josephnexus: maemo bugzilla has a bit wrong resolution names. It lacks 'MAYBE_WILL_BE_FIXED_IN_NEXT_OS_ON_OTHER_DEVICE', 'MOVED_TO_BRAINSTORM' (which equals to WONTFIX_BY_NOKIA) etc |
| 17:27.24 | josephnexus | that's one of the big advantages of maemo |
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| 17:27.42 | josephnexus | yeah |
| 17:27.47 | hrw | josephnexus: if you change 'they' by 'community developers' then you are right |
| 17:27.52 | Mece | asdf |
| 17:27.59 | josephnexus | and nokia doesn't want to? |
| 17:28.08 | hrw | josephnexus: but if 'they' you mean 'nokia' then you are not right |
| 17:28.09 | josephnexus | that's why i'm buying this was to support a company that tries to support the community |
| 17:28.25 | nid0 | nokia seems to be happier to stick with old-style release schedules of a small number of big firmware updates occasionally |
| 17:28.27 | hrw | josephnexus: officially nokia does not announce any firmware releases and dates |
| 17:29.10 | hrw | josephnexus: they told that PR1.2 will be released but it can be november 2010 or tomorrow |
| 17:29.10 | josephnexus | ok |
| 17:29.17 | josephnexus | ok |
| 17:29.18 | josephnexus | i see |
| 17:29.26 | SpeedEvil | hrw: also 'You fix it then' |
| 17:29.29 | josephnexus | so they are reserved about dates, but are generally good about updates? |
| 17:29.40 | josephnexus | i'm trying to get a feel for what to expect |
| 17:29.46 | josephnexus | and find out how I can be of help |
| 17:29.56 | hrw | unofficially there were rumours from nokia people about few updates after PR1.2 but that was from devs not managers |
| 17:30.24 | hrw | SpeedEvil: especially on closed stuff? |
| 17:31.03 | Mece | was going to ask something but managed to forget it before he managed to nickserv identify himself. |
| 17:31.22 | Mece | add ftl. |
| 17:31.24 | hrw | josephnexus: expect? I do not expect anything from nokia when it comes to fw updates. |
| 17:31.47 | hrw | josephnexus: I just assume that their software will not get bugs fixed |
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| 17:34.49 | josephnexus | that sounds sad :-( |
| 17:36.30 | luke-jr | josephnexus: Nokia is good at marketting, even indirectly somehow |
| 17:36.57 | josephnexus | what do you mean luke-jr? |
| 17:36.59 | luke-jr | josephnexus: in my case, I know that I didn't get what I thought I was paying for. I know I'm not alone. |
| 17:37.06 | luke-jr | [11:28:09] <josephnexus> that's why i'm buying this was to support a company that tries to support the community |
| 17:37.32 | luke-jr | somehow we get the impression that the company cares about the community, or that the device can be used with free software, etc |
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| 17:38.12 | luke-jr | when in reality, it's just a proprietary OS that exploits free software for the most part |
| 17:38.43 | josephnexus | hmm |
| 17:38.45 | josephnexus | that's sad |
| 17:38.49 | josephnexus | can I load my own OS onto this |
| 17:38.52 | josephnexus | or android or the like? |
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| 17:41.13 | Mece | josephnexus, not everyone share luke-jr's pessimistic view though ;) |
| 17:41.13 | SpeedEvil | ~mer |
| 17:41.13 | infobot | well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
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| 17:41.13 | SpeedEvil | !mer |
| 17:41.18 | luke-jr | josephnexus: not exactly. |
| 17:41.22 | Mece | SpeedEvil, ftw |
| 17:41.24 | hrw | SpeedEvil: even Mer is using maemo components to work |
| 17:41.27 | SpeedEvil | mer sort-of-is an OS at the moment |
| 17:41.30 | SpeedEvil | and yes |
| 17:41.32 | luke-jr | josephnexus: you can load another OS, but you need to retain parts of Maemo to actually use it |
| 17:41.37 | SpeedEvil | there are currently nokia binaries used ATM |
| 17:41.43 | SpeedEvil | some of these can be removed. |
| 17:41.55 | SpeedEvil | If you reverse engineer the protocol - probably fairly easily. |
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| 17:42.05 | SpeedEvil | Some are lots harder. |
| 17:42.09 | hrw | in 2040 when no one will remember what 770/n8x0/n900 were you will still have to use binary blobs |
| 17:42.19 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: it's not merely protocol that needs to be reverse engineered |
| 17:42.23 | luke-jr | also algorithms |
| 17:42.24 | hrw | -> off |
| 17:42.37 | SpeedEvil | hrw: you're perhaps being optimistic. |
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| 17:43.04 | zash | How does tv out work on n900? Could you use it like a "real" external screen |
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| 17:43.25 | SpeedEvil | zash: yes. |
| 17:43.34 | SpeedEvil | zash: I think lcuk was playing with this. |
| 17:43.41 | hrw|gone | SpeedEvil: I am strange because I knew how closed n900 os is and I bought n900 anyway |
| 17:43.53 | Mece | zash, by default it only mirrors though. |
| 17:44.00 | hrw|gone | SpeedEvil: anyway by DDP so just 250⬠not 600⬠|
| 17:44.08 | hrw|gone | bye for real |
| 17:44.54 | josephnexus | well.. here's hoping it's a smartphone that I can stand |
| 17:44.55 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 17:45.03 | zash | SpeedEvil: like, have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse and use it like a desktop |
| 17:45.05 | SpeedEvil | You can't. |
| 17:45.10 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: The stand really sucks. |
| 17:45.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:45.19 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 17:45.24 | josephnexus | let me rephrease |
| 17:45.25 | marmoute | 8any way to chance the color in xterm (not the two main, the colorS) |
| 17:45.31 | dazo | hrw|gone: even despite how closed n900 os is ... it's still far more open experience than with any other mobile devices on the marked .... and I don't count OpenMoko right now |
| 17:45.46 | josephnexus | here's hoping it's a smartphone that I can tolerate and use productively |
| 17:45.46 | Mece | josephnexus, it feels like a linux box more than a smart phone though. |
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| 17:45.51 | SpeedEvil | It's the most open mass market phone. |
| 17:45.59 | SpeedEvil | There are other more open non mass market phones. |
| 17:45.59 | josephnexus | Mece: that's ok, i've got a linux box i'm using right now |
| 17:46.00 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 17:46.01 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 17:46.21 | josephnexus | as long as it works well, i'll be happy |
| 17:46.50 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: My main complaint with the n900 so far is that they only put one stylus in the box. |
| 17:47.01 | Mece | josephnexus, that entirely depends on what you use it for. |
| 17:47.10 | josephnexus | email, web, calling |
| 17:47.15 | josephnexus | i know web is covered well |
| 17:47.20 | SpeedEvil | I personally use it lots with fbreader to read books, and surf when I'm in bed. |
| 17:47.21 | josephnexus | and nokia tends to do calling quite well |
| 17:47.26 | josephnexus | the email is my biggest concern |
| 17:47.34 | Mece | SpeedEvil, I forgot my stylus in my beard once. took hours before I found it... |
| 17:47.46 | SpeedEvil | Mece: yeah - I've done that too |
| 17:47.54 | josephnexus | Mece: epic beard man! |
| 17:47.55 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 17:48.08 | nid0 | simple solution, remove the horrid furry animal growing on your face |
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| 17:48.09 | josephnexus | or... for those of us that like the horror movies... picture this... |
| 17:48.12 | josephnexus | epic beard woman! |
| 17:48.22 | josephnexus | shudders out of fear and disdain... |
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| 17:48.54 | SpeedEvil | If you think of it, most catgirls have beards. |
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| 17:49.22 | Mece | josephnexus, unfortunately the email client isn't very good. it works for me though. |
| 17:49.34 | josephnexus | is it something that is recieving attention? |
| 17:49.54 | SpeedEvil | the email client is open-source - so in principle... |
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| 17:51.00 | josephnexus | hopefully I can help w/ it then |
| 17:51.01 | josephnexus | :-P |
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| 17:53.01 | SpeedEvil | you can also use thunderbird (well, icedove) easily |
| 17:53.08 | SpeedEvil | moderately easily. |
| 17:53.16 | SpeedEvil | (debian chroot thingy, ...) |
| 17:53.26 | josephnexus | lol |
| 17:53.32 | josephnexus | hmm... chroot isn't all that easily |
| 17:53.32 | SpeedEvil | though that's probably not sane, as it's likley to be almost unusably slow |
| 17:53.32 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 17:54.15 | josephnexus | yeah |
| 17:54.16 | Mece | it's very easy in this case. hence the name. easy chroot. |
| 17:54.30 | josephnexus | is there a way to backup everything from the phone? |
| 17:54.39 | josephnexus | in case it gets run over by a tank? |
| 17:55.01 | josephnexus | keep in mind, windows isn't an option for me |
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| 17:57.13 | SpeedEvil | s/could be/is/ |
| 17:57.17 | SpeedEvil | just tried it. |
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| 17:57.26 | KnightStalker | Hello1 |
| 17:57.33 | KnightStalker | !* |
| 17:57.45 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: I rsync ~ to my laptop |
| 17:57.54 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: and rsync my laptop back to the mmc. |
| 17:58.00 | Mece | josephnexus, how about scp -r / username@server:/backup/ :D |
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| 17:58.21 | josephnexus | yes, but is the data accessible on the desktop? |
| 17:58.36 | josephnexus | like if my phone is runover by a tank, can I read the data from my phone that i had previously copied? |
| 17:58.50 | Mece | why wouldn't it be? |
| 17:59.14 | KnightStalker | I have a weird issue with my maemo OS(nokia n900)I tried to install Easy Debian,I downloaded the installer from the application manager and installed it,then it told me that I need to download a big image file,I tried to download it 5 times from my mobile and one time from my comp,but when it completely downloads it says that the file is corrupted but the size seems correct... |
| 17:59.20 | KnightStalker | any one knows how to fix this weird issue? |
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| 18:01.54 | josephnexus | Mece: i mean read and use... like does it use mbox for e-mail storage and such |
| 18:03.20 | Mece | josephnexus, there are some syncing stuff people use. I don't, so I don't know. There's a thread about syncing to linux distros on tmo. |
| 18:03.31 | josephnexus | ok |
| 18:03.42 | josephnexus | well... a lot of my questions shall be answered tomorrow noonish when the phone arrives |
| 18:03.43 | josephnexus | :-D |
| 18:04.21 | josephnexus | i appreciate everyone's patience |
| 18:04.27 | josephnexus | and helping to answer my questions... |
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| 18:05.16 | Mece | josephnexus, np |
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| 18:05.27 | josephnexus | i think i'll be happy with it |
| 18:05.30 | josephnexus | how's the calendar on it? |
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| 18:07.23 | Mece | josephnexus, I like it. People who like something else whine. |
| 18:07.31 | Mece | like with everything on the phone. |
| 18:08.11 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: there are sucky aspects. |
| 18:08.45 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: For example if you want to set an appointment for next wednesday, you click new event, and are presented with a date picker that doesn't give you days |
| 18:08.47 | Arif_ | blinks |
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| 18:09.24 | Arif_ | someone who doesn't complain about the N900? DATS IMPOSIBALL |
| 18:09.25 | SpeedEvil | So, you have to remember todays date, and then work out it's now friday, and next wednesday is going to be in 4 days |
| 18:10.10 | KnightStalker | loves N900 <3 |
| 18:10.49 | SpeedEvil | I have very few complaints about the hardware. |
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| 18:11.03 | Arif_ | me too |
| 18:11.04 | Arif_ | =P |
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| 18:12.55 | josephnexus | speedevil, is the date picker at least arranged like a calendar? |
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| 18:13.24 | josephnexus | nm |
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| 18:13.30 | josephnexus | i'm consulint youtube |
| 18:13.31 | josephnexus | :-p |
| 18:14.01 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: no. It's a scrolly picker that lets you select day/mon/year independantly. |
| 18:14.12 | josephnexus | arg |
| 18:14.15 | josephnexus | that's annoying... |
| 18:14.22 | SpeedEvil | And while it's lovely and kinetic - it fundamentally has logical problems displaying which day it is |
| 18:14.58 | SpeedEvil | If you set month and then year first, in principle, it could then show days along the date picker, but it doesn't |
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| 18:16.36 | josephnexus | at least it tells you after the date is picked |
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| 18:18.09 | josephnexus | is the calendar app open? |
| 18:18.13 | josephnexus | as in, can I help with improving that? |
| 18:18.20 | josephnexus | and maybe implementing what you had described? |
| 18:18.29 | josephnexus | or is it using a system wide date picker that we can't improve? |
| 18:18.50 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:18.51 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:19.30 | josephnexus | hmm... has a request been made to nokia to improve it? |
| 18:19.41 | josephnexus | or have a toggle between fancy slider and calendar? |
| 18:23.33 | josephnexus | it's going to be annoying when i'm told I have a meeting the first wednesday of each month |
| 18:23.33 | josephnexus | :-P |
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| 18:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-09 19:09:25] <SpeedEvil> So, you have to remember todays date, ---- simple: *first* jump to the date in calender view, *then* click "new appointment" |
| 18:25.05 | SpeedEvil | yes, I know. |
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| 18:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | picking time is a PITA |
| 18:25.25 | SpeedEvil | But if I'm in the events list - ... |
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| 18:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | braindead scrolling lists :-( |
| 18:26.18 | josephnexus | well... hopefully I can become a good community member and help polish this up a bit |
| 18:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | also there's no "jump to next appointment" that I knew of |
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| 18:26.41 | SpeedEvil | The date picker, calendar, and events thing are all closed |
| 18:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's actually a real lack of functionality |
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| 18:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | not to mention advanced comodities like "search for events containing >xxx<, in field >yyy<" |
| 18:31.49 | hrw | re |
| 18:32.01 | hrw | basically pim features are missing |
| 18:32.04 | josephnexus | if nokia wants to keep it closed, then we can push them to fix it |
| 18:32.15 | hrw | contacts are great but calendar/notes/todos are disaster |
| 18:32.26 | josephnexus | hrw: more accurately, it looks like basic pim is there, but anything beyond basic is in need of polish |
| 18:32.39 | hrw | josephnexus: and one thing: forget about global search functionality - there is no such thing |
| 18:32.59 | hrw | josephnexus: basic pim was in palmos - nokia does not get even that |
| 18:32.59 | josephnexus | yeah |
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| 18:34.43 | hrw | josephnexus: my opinion is that designer which had to design pim for maemo5 never saw phone/pda other then nokia 5110 |
| 18:35.47 | ShadowJK | would be more interesting to know what the spec was |
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| 18:36.17 | ShadowJK | if the goal was to make it as functional as a Nokia 1610 or what :) |
| 18:36.20 | hrw | ShadowJK: without signing few ndas and giving kidneys for nokia you will not get it |
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| 18:37.55 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 18:38.05 | josephnexus | yeah |
| 18:38.15 | josephnexus | it doesn't seem like the n900 is fundamentally bad |
| 18:38.21 | josephnexus | just appears like it was rushed to market |
| 18:38.30 | VDVsx | I heard that they need livers as well :) |
| 18:39.11 | ShadowJK | well, you'd expect pim on communicator class devices |
| 18:39.24 | ShadowJK | though it has been weak since s80 died.. |
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| 18:39.35 | VDVsx | saw some calendar part at git yesterday |
| 18:39.37 | VDVsx | checks |
| 18:39.48 | Mece | oo |
| 18:39.50 | hcarrega | arg |
| 18:39.54 | hcarrega | hi VDVsx |
| 18:40.01 | Mece | grr argh? |
| 18:40.07 | Mece | mutant enemy |
| 18:40.12 | josephnexus | rawr! |
| 18:40.18 | VDVsx | hcarrega, hey |
| 18:40.23 | josephnexus | must be what follows next |
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| 18:42.58 | Mece | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf69j1U---4 |
| 18:43.11 | josephnexus | that's epic |
| 18:43.17 | josephnexus | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/improving_the_calendar_in_n900/ |
| 18:43.23 | josephnexus | is this where new stuff is decided? |
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| 18:43.34 | josephnexus | or at least put in for consideration? |
| 18:43.36 | Arif_ | that's where people give ideas and get ignored |
| 18:43.36 | Mece | not really. |
| 18:43.43 | Arif_ | :p |
| 18:43.46 | luke-jr | josephnexus: stuff is decided by the entity that does it |
| 18:43.47 | josephnexus | and how do I get a username/password so that I can vote? |
| 18:43.50 | Mece | yes i suppose |
| 18:44.06 | VDVsx | calendar backend is open at least: http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend |
| 18:44.06 | Mece | just register |
| 18:44.16 | luke-jr | josephnexus: for example, Nokia decided to announce a few weeks ago that Maemo is to be discontinued |
| 18:44.26 | luke-jr | and replaced with "MeeGo" |
| 18:44.27 | josephnexus | yes, in favor of meego |
| 18:44.39 | SpeedEvil | The exact roadmap is somewhat unclear. |
| 18:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: contacts are WHAT? |
| 18:44.41 | josephnexus | they share similar roots, so i don't see too much of a problem there |
| 18:45.22 | Stskeeps | takes a deep breath and reads through the mail |
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| 18:46.26 | Arif_ | josephnexus, untill Nokia doesn't release Moogo for the N900 :D |
| 18:46.44 | josephnexus | which would suck |
| 18:46.50 | Stskeeps | Arif_: it's already going to be a reference device? ;; |
| 18:46.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:46.57 | Arif_ | ;p |
| 18:47.00 | josephnexus | and make me not purchase any nokia device again |
| 18:47.08 | Arif_ | oh come on |
| 18:47.09 | josephnexus | i vote with my wallet |
| 18:47.10 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 18:47.11 | ShadowJK | yawn |
| 18:47.13 | Arif_ | s60 is the same either |
| 18:47.19 | Arif_ | -either +too |
| 18:47.25 | Arif_ | you don't get FP updates on older phoens |
| 18:47.29 | VDVsx | Arif_, moogo would be a awesome name ;) |
| 18:47.36 | josephnexus | moogoo would be better |
| 18:47.36 | josephnexus | :-p |
| 18:47.42 | Arif_ | :D |
| 18:47.48 | Mece | sure would |
| 18:48.00 | Arif_ | Lets all call it Moogo |
| 18:48.04 | Stskeeps | moomin |
| 18:48.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:48.10 | Arif_ | maybe they'll change the name xD |
| 18:48.59 | VDVsx | mongo :D |
| 18:49.02 | VDVsx | hides |
| 18:49.04 | KnightStalker | mango! |
| 18:49.05 | KnightStalker | :P |
| 18:49.20 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: meegro? |
| 18:49.26 | Stskeeps | (one step from lawsuit..) |
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| 18:49.41 | jaska | mummo |
| 18:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | (contacts) what a crap is *that*? you can't even search for anything except main name content |
| 18:49.46 | josephnexus | weegro? |
| 18:49.47 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, from whom ? :D |
| 18:49.49 | josephnexus | :-P |
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| 18:51.00 | josephnexus | nokia doesn't know how to target enterprise though... |
| 18:51.07 | josephnexus | the lack of a roadmap makes enterprise nervous |
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| 18:51.46 | ShadowJK | i guess s60 has little roadmap |
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| 18:52.14 | ShadowJK | but still every company exec has E90 even if he only uses it for making calls |
| 18:52.19 | ShadowJK | status symbol ;p |
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| 18:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | (contacts) ever tried to create a contact with photo on the fly? ("please, have another beer on me, I need to edit your contact details and attach a photo. Will only take 15 minutes") |
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| 18:55.11 | Mece | DocScrutinizer, contact photos come automagically from im's. You're doing it wrong. |
| 18:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | fails completely to understand anyone stating "contacts are great" |
| 18:55.41 | Mece | contacts are great. |
| 18:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | Mece: huh?? |
| 18:55.53 | ShadowJK | has never done any of the things you try to do :P |
| 18:56.21 | ShadowJK | but my contacts management has mostly consisted of a sms inbox full of replies from directory services |
| 18:56.38 | ShadowJK | n900's conversations view makes that much more efficient :D |
| 18:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | Mece: maybe *your* private contacts are great. Nokia contact app definitely is crap |
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| 18:58.40 | Mece | DocScrutinizer, I maintain that you're doing it wrong. |
| 18:58.54 | Mece | i think it works very well. |
| 18:59.22 | VDVsx | I like the contacts app, but the search complain is valid, that sucks a bit |
| 18:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | I got a GSM, 2 VoIP, and a SIM "method". Some of my contacts have 5 numbers. Imagine what the contact screen looks like?? :-( |
| 18:59.35 | Mece | which search? |
| 18:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | 4 methods * 5 numbers = 20 buttons - eeeeek |
| 19:00.02 | Mece | DocScrutinizer, what ahould it look like then? |
| 19:00.29 | aep | for once, not duplicate stuff :P |
| 19:00.37 | VDVsx | well, that's normal I guess |
| 19:01.07 | VDVsx | they could write duplicate routine when importing contacts |
| 19:01.24 | VDVsx | hey this guy has the same number/name want to merge ? |
| 19:01.26 | Mece | I don't have any duplicates |
| 19:01.37 | Mece | that would be nice. |
| 19:01.38 | aep | nah i mean "sms" and "call" |
| 19:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | VDVsx: huh? seems you missed my point |
| 19:01.59 | aep | or "chat via jabber" and "make a jabber call" |
| 19:02.00 | VDVsx | DocScrutinizer, probably |
| 19:02.17 | VDVsx | I don't understand the complain about the 20 buttons :) |
| 19:02.20 | Mece | DocScrutinizer, ok but what should it look like? |
| 19:02.21 | aep | if you have 8 different protocols enabled, it fills up the space rather quick |
| 19:02.37 | Arif_ | complains about the virtual keyboard some more |
| 19:02.47 | aep | why are you even using that? :D |
| 19:02.54 | Mece | aep, quite. so if we limit the protocols to 1, it would be better? |
| 19:02.59 | aep | no.. |
| 19:03.07 | Arif_ | I have a hard time using the hardware keyboard |
| 19:03.18 | Mece | Arif_, mine came with a physical keyboard :) |
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| 19:03.35 | Arif_ | I want T9 |
| 19:03.36 | Arif_ | ;D |
| 19:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | WTF??! |
| 19:03.54 | aep | umm seriously? |
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| 19:04.06 | Arif_ | yes |
| 19:04.26 | Arif_ | =P |
| 19:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | Arif_: get a *phone* then! |
| 19:04.51 | Arif_ | no |
| 19:04.52 | aep | actually the problem i have is more due to jabber transports. i have 24 jabber buttons |
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| 19:05.15 | Mece | ouch |
| 19:05.40 | Arif_ | my only choice is WM after this I guess |
| 19:05.44 | Arif_ | and I REALLY don't want that :P |
| 19:05.55 | aep | and none of them supports voice, so its 12 buttons waisted |
| 19:06.08 | sanjoyd | Is there an open-source maemo dc++ client that runs over bluetooth connections? |
| 19:06.22 | VDVsx | t9 works well on my 5800 when in portrait (touch-screen only) |
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| 19:07.33 | Arif_ | N900 needs portrait :P |
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| 19:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | aep: (and Mece though I guess it's useless): obviously for contacts with multiple numbers you need a second-level menu that pops up when hitting one of the numbers of a contact, and you select transport from that 2nd level menu |
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| 19:09.01 | ShadowJK | sanjoyd: are you confusing things here? |
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| 19:09.41 | sanjoyd | ShadowJK: Perhaps. I'll be a little more clear. |
| 19:09.46 | Mece | DocScrutinizer, I suppose that would be an option. |
| 19:09.49 | VDVsx | why use dc++ when you have obex |
| 19:10.06 | VDVsx | and bluetooth is slow to transfer data |
| 19:10.15 | sanjoyd | ShadowJK: I need sharing + searching functionality on an ad-hoc network of devices. |
| 19:10.29 | sanjoyd | ShadowJK: Connected through bluetooth. |
| 19:10.37 | ShadowJK | ah, that does not exist |
| 19:10.41 | Arif_ | wait for BT3.0 |
| 19:10.45 | Arif_ | :> |
| 19:10.56 | Mece | for me ordering the different options would be much better improvement |
| 19:11.02 | sanjoyd | Any idea if it is possible to run TCP/IP over bluetooth? |
| 19:11.11 | ShadowJK | yes, it is |
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| 19:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | sanjoyd: I guess that's called PAN |
| 19:11.33 | ShadowJK | it's called pan |
| 19:11.48 | sanjoyd | ShadowJK: DocScrutinizer: Thanks! I'll have a look. |
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| 19:12.41 | ShadowJK | I guess the advantage of doing it over bluetooth instead of wlan would be power saving... |
| 19:13.10 | arachnist | i used to tether internets on my old se k800i from my pc (yes, not the other way round), back when i didn't have a NIT nor a laptop |
| 19:14.45 | Mece | arachnist, :D |
| 19:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | (contacts) when in portrait mode (real phone-only), you can scroll till your thumb hurts, due to missing letter index to skip to a region of the contacts list [- obviously doesn't apply if you got <20 contacts] |
| 19:15.45 | hrw | re |
| 19:15.54 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: ok, 'great' is wrong word |
| 19:16.12 | ShadowJK | missing/broken scrollbars in maemo5 :( |
| 19:16.38 | arachnist | i wish more of the phone ui would be usable in portrait |
| 19:16.45 | arachnist | *mode |
| 19:16.58 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: but I think that contacts were not written by @nokia.com guys - quality is higher then rest of nokia things. and yes, it lacks lot of things, has lot of other ones broken in nasty ways but it is nice tool |
| 19:17.28 | GAN900 | I don't get the need for portrait |
| 19:17.41 | hrw | GAN900: I do |
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| 19:18.02 | hrw | GAN900: n900 is my first landscape phone |
| 19:18.26 | ShadowJK | n900 is my fourth landscape phone :) |
| 19:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: when I do a *phonecall*, portrait is a natural thing for a candybar formfactor phone |
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| 19:18.50 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, sure, but for the whole OS? |
| 19:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | nah, NEVER |
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| 19:20.14 | hrw | GAN900: what I want in portrait: im (mostly view), images, contacts, rest of pim, mediaplayer |
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| 19:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, im, contacts is arguably part of dialer and thus needs to support portrait |
| 19:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | images needs a "portrait mode" anyway by rotating the image |
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| 19:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | mediaplayer and "rest of pim" is debatable |
| 19:23.23 | ShadowJK | btw, has anyone looked at the n900 speakerholes with microscope before? |
| 19:23.28 | ShadowJK | it's scary |
| 19:23.32 | ShadowJK | atleast on mine |
| 19:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 19:23.46 | hrw | ok, I go off for rest of day now |
| 19:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | lots of bugs? ;-P |
| 19:24.10 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yeah it looks like a nest of evil |
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| 19:24.48 | VDVsx | nice -> "qt mobility will be included in pr1.3" |
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| 19:24.56 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: source |
| 19:24.56 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 19:24.59 | ShadowJK | I should try take a pic and post it in the hypocondriac "how do I disinfect my n900 without dissolving the plastic please help" thread |
| 19:25.07 | VDVsx | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=561617&postcount=4 |
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| 19:25.14 | ShadowJK | (i forget exact name but there was thread like that) |
| 19:25.37 | jaska | infested terran hq? |
| 19:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | can't spot any suspicious sight |
| 19:26.03 | Mece | damn. my adsl modem is dying... |
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| 19:27.07 | ShadowJK | was pretty interesting, n800 speaker holes were pretty clear |
| 19:27.28 | Mece | DocScrutinizer, i guess my messages didn't come true. anyway, I stand corrected. The issues you mentioned are proper issues. Not just issues I have issue with. |
| 19:27.39 | ShadowJK | n810 partially clogged near entrance by what looked like wax-like substance (grease from fingers?) |
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| 19:28.13 | ShadowJK | n900 holes filled deeper in with scary stuff |
| 19:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that "scary stuff" is micro fibre fabric |
| 19:29.28 | ShadowJK | that'd make sense |
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| 19:30.47 | ShadowJK | also something in all 3 that looked like a flat surface with rectangular indentations |
| 19:31.04 | ShadowJK | at the bottom of the holes, I think |
| 19:31.35 | GAN900 | womder why this thing seems incapable of roaming multiple APs with the same SSID nicely. |
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| 19:32.21 | ShadowJK | GAN900, oh I was thinking of changing ssid on my two APs to match |
| 19:32.29 | Noobmonk3y | waves |
| 19:32.46 | ShadowJK | since n900 doesn't seem to automatically switch between them as nicely as n810 does |
| 19:32.52 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, I have 4 APs covering the lot and I get aolsystemsgs all the time. |
| 19:33.10 | GAN900 | I dunno how they managed a regression |
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| 19:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: on N810 I see same microfibre grid on bottom of holes (plus lots of dust above that which collected over the years :-P) |
| 19:33.24 | GAN900 | It even lists them separately in the connection dialog. |
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| 19:34.10 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing n900 tries too hard before it gives up and switches ap |
| 19:34.24 | ShadowJK | I've got 2 APs to cover the house |
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| 19:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | switching APs with identical SSID is a bit tricky. At very least they need same credentials |
| 19:37.09 | Arif_ | I got eduroam working today |
| 19:37.10 | Arif_ | =D |
| 19:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | but actually NM doesn't know how to handle that |
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| 19:37.32 | reggna | Arif_: What uni? |
| 19:37.39 | Arif_ | HvA |
| 19:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | (on desktop) |
| 19:38.01 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh I just naively thought having same ssid would make n900 think it's okay to switch to whatever is strongest :) |
| 19:38.04 | Arif_ | some lame one in Dutchland :p |
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| 19:40.49 | ShadowJK | has issues making NM do stuff right on ethernet even... |
| 19:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: nah, either you want client to do real roaming between APs forming a network with shared DHCP and authentication infra. Or you want client to hop between completely distinct AP entities, in which case a shared SSID is more like begging for trouble than anything else |
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| 19:43.11 | ShadowJK | well dhcp is shared, and wpa key is identical on both |
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| 19:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'm not a 802.11 expert, but I'd think the APs need to support roaming |
| 19:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | I.E they need to talk to each other |
| 19:44.40 | ShadowJK | one is a 20E chinese branded ap that speaks some inter-ap protocol for the enterprisey roaming, I presume... other is a 100E "Linksys by Cisco" router+ap that knows of no such thing as roaming |
| 19:44.53 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 19:45.06 | ShadowJK | Clearly I should buy more chinese "crap" then :)) |
| 19:46.02 | ShadowJK | still, N810 works seamlessly with it |
| 19:46.26 | ShadowJK | n900 doesn't quite realize when it's out of range for useful communication |
| 19:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 19:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | file a bug |
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| 20:03.25 | FIQ | hm |
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| 20:04.28 | FIQ | seems like everything related to KDE is failing @ keyboard focus @ easy debian |
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| 20:04.42 | FIQ | is that KDE's or Debian's fault? |
| 20:05.50 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, by the way, I'm looking at Insteon stuff for HA right now. |
| 20:06.32 | ds3 | is there a site with photos of all 6 sides of the N900? |
| 20:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: err, you lost me. insteon? HA? |
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| 20:07.44 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, sorry, related to the home automation question I asked the other week. |
| 20:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 20:08.00 | GAN900 | ds3, maybe Nokia's press photos? |
| 20:08.16 | GAN900 | ds3, I may be able to answer specific questions, though. |
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| 20:08.55 | ds3 | GAN900: I am trying to see if there is a good place to grip it to mount it in a vehicle |
| 20:09.26 | ds3 | I see stuff all over the top (expected) and left and right sides but donno if the bottom is clear or if there are mounting zones designed in |
| 20:09.35 | nid0 | bottom's empty |
| 20:10.02 | nid0 | top has gaps between the volume rocker on left and power in mid, and power in mid and camera shutter on right |
| 20:10.10 | ds3 | so a triangle shaped grip should work? |
| 20:10.20 | nid0 | the gaps are plenty big enough for a car mount grip positioned right |
| 20:10.23 | GAN900 | Yeah |
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| 20:10.45 | ds3 | are there gaps between the LCD half and the keyboard to bite into? |
| 20:11.06 | nid0 | theres a very very very thin gap you could bite something very thin into |
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| 20:11.30 | nid0 | some cases for the device have a sheet of clear plastic that goes over the keyboard like that between the keyboard and the screen when its closed |
| 20:11.33 | ds3 | foil thin? business card thin or ? |
| 20:12.05 | nid0 | you could just about get a thin business card in there, not a fancy embossed one though! |
| 20:12.24 | ds3 | 'k |
| 20:12.41 | ds3 | so I can probally make a hook with an aluminum tip to grab it |
| 20:13.28 | ds3 | the slide out kb means I can't use my 2 rubber band grip that I have with the 800 |
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| 20:18.48 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts that mounts that exert a splitting force on the case with wedges are a great idea |
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| 20:20.59 | ds3 | it won't be a wedge... something like business card thick sheet alum. L peice screwed onto a peice of plastic |
| 20:21.15 | ds3 | a wedge would be bad, IMO |
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| 20:22.57 | nid0 | dear me |
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| 20:23.05 | nid0 | the first Bada phone's on the way |
| 20:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'd grab the 4 corners of the kbd lower half of the phone, with 4 tetraeder like latches |
| 20:23.12 | nid0 | no multitasking ability. |
| 20:23.15 | nid0 | what is this, 2005? |
| 20:23.39 | jaska | you mean 1985 |
| 20:23.43 | ds3 | DocScrutiinizer: doesn't that run into the jacks on the side? |
| 20:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | if the teraeders are like 10*10*10mm the won't obstruct anything important |
| 20:26.24 | ds3 | what about a rubber thing that with 4 stretchable arms and a hole at the end to grab all 4 corners? |
| 20:26.51 | ds3 | nix that.. that'd block the camera |
| 20:27.15 | ds3 | the pop out camera is so nice on the N800 in this regard |
| 20:28.04 | SpeedEvil | you can pop out the n900 camera |
| 20:28.13 | ds3 | eh? |
| 20:29.10 | SpeedEvil | With the SS100 camera removal tool. |
| 20:29.23 | ds3 | Oh |
| 20:29.35 | SpeedEvil | But, yes. |
| 20:29.40 | ds3 | I thought you meant it springs out like the N800 |
| 20:30.02 | ds3 | other then the CPU, the N900 seems downhill of the N800 :( |
| 20:30.40 | Arif_ | downhill? |
| 20:30.49 | SpeedEvil | speaking personally. |
| 20:30.54 | ds3 | yeah, i.e. inferior to |
| 20:31.03 | SpeedEvil | \I would not have got a n820 - with no network and similar to 900 |
| 20:31.23 | ds3 | the things I loved about the N800 are gone |
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| 20:31.32 | Arif_ | never saw an N800 |
| 20:31.34 | Arif_ | :D |
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| 20:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | N820 should be a N810 with 3G modem, not a N900 without |
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| 20:37.29 | Karlosos | hey guys |
| 20:37.50 | Arif_ | hai |
| 20:37.58 | strcpy | any estimate for next n900 firmware update release ? maemo wiki mentioned "few weeks" but not sure how many weeks means 'few' :) |
| 20:38.11 | Arif_ | Soon |
| 20:38.38 | strcpy | any details on additions? |
| 20:38.47 | MohammadAG | soon = in 2010, hopefully |
| 20:38.47 | Shapeshifter | So we have this Acer beamer in our lounge, and some idiot lost the remote control. What are the chances that I'll get irreco to steer the beamer? It's a pain standing on a chair everytime to turn it on -.- |
| 20:39.11 | strcpy | doh.. I`ll be more relax relaying on wiki estiamte :p |
| 20:39.12 | Shapeshifter | I installed irreco with the lirc backend and apparently everything works, but the beamer of course isn't in the database or anything. |
| 20:39.48 | Hydroxide | strcpy: anyone who actually knows a more specific estimate than is already public is probably not allowed to share it until the appropriate communications/PR people have approved doing so |
| 20:40.04 | Hydroxide | strcpy: that seems to be the way they are operating for this kind of thing |
| 20:40.47 | strcpy | aha , thanks for commenting Hydroxide |
| 20:41.19 | Hydroxide | np |
| 20:41.31 | ShadowJK | I think it's been rumoured some QA people found problems after the "few" weeks was rumoured |
| 20:41.32 | madduck | what is the purpose of the up-left arrow symbol on the n900 x terminal? |
| 20:41.38 | Arif_ | Shapeshifter, as irrecco doesn't work for me good luck with that |
| 20:41.39 | Arif_ | :D |
| 20:41.53 | strcpy | hopefully dev/extra repositories are satisfying enough ,with good speed at fixing bugs through updates |
| 20:42.09 | madduck | it only shows up sporadically |
| 20:42.32 | Hydroxide | strcpy: fyi, I don't work for nokia or any other company that's inside the Maemo/MeeGo NDA world, and so I know roughly none of the inside information :) |
| 20:42.57 | aSIMULAtor | madduck it's to make it full screen |
| 20:43.07 | aSIMULAtor | it's also the icon that you see in the browser |
| 20:43.10 | aSIMULAtor | to make it full screen |
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| 20:43.15 | ShadowJK | madduck, switch between scrolling and marking text for copy |
| 20:43.16 | Karlosos | when i follow instructions on how to flash i go to load flasher file and it pops up with a black command screen and disappears straight away what am i doing wrong |
| 20:43.23 | ShadowJK | madduck, only shows up when there's scrollable content |
| 20:43.30 | ds3 | are the posts about lack of official MMS support still accurate? |
| 20:43.31 | madduck | aSIMULAtor: but nothing happens if i press it but gets crossed out |
| 20:43.35 | aSIMULAtor | oh nm |
| 20:43.38 | aSIMULAtor | i'm smoking crack |
| 20:43.45 | madduck | ShadowJK: thx |
| 20:43.54 | aSIMULAtor | (not really but my answer makes it seems like i am) |
| 20:44.08 | ShadowJK | nah, the fullscreen icon is very similar |
| 20:44.23 | ShadowJK | it's arrow pointing northwest, but inside a box |
| 20:44.26 | strcpy | and another Q over Maemo. I've used all recommendations/scripts from maemo wiki and forums on how to free up more space for installing applications, by removing junks or sym-linking some directories |
| 20:44.53 | strcpy | but I wish I had a clean & easy way to instantly re-size the partition? |
| 20:45.13 | Hydroxide | ShadowJK: interesting, I hadn't noticed that before. |
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| 20:45.21 | Hydroxide | (the scroll/copy toggle icon, that is) |
| 20:45.30 | ShadowJK | strcpy, the partition already spans the entire device |
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| 20:45.30 | Hydroxide | I guess it makes sense as well by analogy to the browser's mouse mode |
| 20:45.32 | djkrikke | Hi guys, looks like some xvids don't have sound on the n900. The default mediaplayer plays sound but is littlebit laggy. Is this a common issue (that mplayer doesn't give sound) |
| 20:45.37 | madduck | ShadowJK: cool, and how does one paste |
| 20:45.41 | madduck | ? |
| 20:45.43 | Hydroxide | but I so rarely have anything scrollable since I usually use screen :) |
| 20:45.43 | ShadowJK | madduck, menu -> paste |
| 20:45.48 | strcpy | so why we`re limited to ~1.5GB ?? |
| 20:46.02 | ShadowJK | strcpy, oh that one |
| 20:46.15 | ShadowJK | I thought you were talking about / |
| 20:46.22 | strcpy | yes, THAT :) sorry for my lame explenation |
| 20:46.39 | ds3 | nevermind, recent posts suggest that is still the cast |
| 20:46.40 | ds3 | case |
| 20:46.45 | madduck | ShadowJK: no such menu item⦠|
| 20:47.24 | ShadowJK | madduck, it helps to have copied something first |
| 20:47.36 | Arif_ | try ctrl c and v :P |
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| 20:48.04 | ShadowJK | strcpy, roughly, it would have been size 0 if they could have gotten away with it (thus maximizing space for music) |
| 20:48.19 | ShadowJK | strcpy, but various things needs posix-compliant filesystem, like the tracker database |
| 20:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: CIR range of N900 is very limited. But you might find a matching emote control def for a TV of same manufacturer |
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| 20:48.37 | ShadowJK | I suspect the size is just about "enough" to store the index of 32+16 gigs of music |
| 20:49.17 | strcpy | ShadowJK, you`re right but not all of n900 owners go for it just cus of it`s multimedia capabilities, you know... :) |
| 20:49.49 | ShadowJK | I don't really remember, but it might have been just 1 gig before someone said that 80 megs is too small for apps... |
| 20:49.56 | strcpy | in my case ,porting and installing some of utilities from linux to n900 quickly eat free space |
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| 20:50.52 | strcpy | honestly I look at n900 almost like my netbook. that maybe the reason I`m too much rude about these limitations |
| 20:50.57 | SpeedEvil | wants an emote control for TMO |
| 20:51.13 | Arif_ | wants irrecco to work |
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| 20:51.44 | strcpy | I've ported many tools, and it`s close to a pocket backTrack now :) |
| 20:52.00 | Arif_ | you can hax wifi now? |
| 20:52.31 | strcpy | Arif_, not if it`s on anything but channel 6 |
| 20:52.42 | strcpy | no problem while using usb wifi though |
| 20:52.50 | Arif_ | why channel 6 |
| 20:53.07 | strcpy | current firmware limits that way |
| 20:53.19 | strcpy | injection is not working on other channels |
| 20:53.56 | strcpy | I hope to see some upgrades over this, to fix the limitation |
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| 20:54.48 | Arif_ | aw |
| 20:55.03 | strcpy | what really disappoint me at the moment, is lack of true bluetooth mouse/kb (based on what I've read in net, not my own experience) |
| 20:55.33 | Arif_ | I'm just unhappy that the app I use the msot is written in 2 hours |
| 20:55.34 | Arif_ | =D |
| 20:55.40 | strcpy | I've seen not a single SUCESS story on that |
| 20:56.04 | strcpy | Arif_, and what`s that? |
| 20:56.08 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mh okay |
| 20:56.13 | Shapeshifter | Arif_: what's not working? |
| 20:56.24 | Arif_ | get one from DX and get it working |
| 20:56.24 | Arif_ | :P |
| 20:56.40 | Arif_ | the media player mostly not works than works :D |
| 20:56.59 | Arif_ | and i can't get irrecco to work |
| 20:57.00 | Arif_ | :( |
| 20:57.12 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: CIR range? as in distance to device? |
| 20:57.25 | Shapeshifter | Arif_: I mean, in irreco, what's the problem |
| 20:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:57.45 | Arif_ | I added the TechnoTrend S2=3200 remote and all buttons |
| 20:57.50 | Shapeshifter | mhh. I'd love to know why they included it anyway. |
| 20:57.50 | Arif_ | but when I poke them nothing happens |
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| 20:58.03 | Shapeshifter | Arif_: and lirc or such is running? |
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| 20:58.38 | Shapeshifter | I mean, did they just have some IR leftover parts and thought they could stick it into the n900 as geeks love MOAR gadgets? |
| 20:58.38 | Arif_ | how do I check :blush: |
| 20:58.52 | Shapeshifter | Arif_: you could run /etc/init.d/lirc restart |
| 20:58.57 | Shapeshifter | as root |
| 20:59.10 | Shapeshifter | as it seems. didn't work for me before I did that manually. |
| 20:59.28 | SpeedEvil | I'd love to know why they diddn't connect the IR to the CIR port of the SoC |
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| 20:59.31 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 20:59.45 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: SoC? |
| 20:59.47 | Arif_ | tries |
| 20:59.54 | SpeedEvil | System on a Chip |
| 20:59.59 | SpeedEvil | The CPU+shizzle. |
| 21:00.09 | josephnexus | for rizzle shizzle dizzle yo |
| 21:00.25 | Noobmonk3y | its official.... wifi is the saviour of crappy 2g areas :) |
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| 21:01.03 | Arif_ | get a better operator! |
| 21:01.06 | SpeedEvil | My 2G is only 1/3 the speed of my DSL at times. |
| 21:01.20 | Arif_ | only? |
| 21:01.25 | Arif_ | your DSL must be slow |
| 21:01.36 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 21:01.45 | ShadowJK | in terms of throughput, my 3g service is rarely slower than twice the speed of my fixed connection... |
| 21:01.47 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 21:01.50 | ShadowJK | sometimes 5 times as fast |
| 21:01.56 | Arif_ | lol |
| 21:01.57 | ShadowJK | but the fixed connection has better latencies.. |
| 21:01.57 | Noobmonk3y | 3.5g is over double my bband speed |
| 21:01.59 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: 100k/s here - 3g |
| 21:02.12 | Arif_ | my 3G is only 1Mbit |
| 21:02.25 | Hoxzer | my fixed is 100Mbps :(. No, 3G is not faster |
| 21:02.26 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, downloaded a podcast at 500kbytes/sec this morning on 3.5g :) |
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| 21:07.50 | Noobmonk3y | in the mine is bigger than yours stakes.... does a gigabit connection at work and via vpn count? tis quite sexy after about 5pm :) |
| 21:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: good question |
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| 21:09.59 | ShadowJK | how is it connected now? |
| 21:10.17 | SpeedEvil | To a PWM unit. |
| 21:10.44 | SpeedEvil | It's odd - as the CIR port is a flexible 'UART' to do CIR signals. And the PWM thing is bitbang. |
| 21:11.01 | ShadowJK | is the PWM unit responsible for modulating the 38khz thing too? |
| 21:11.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:11.23 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 21:11.23 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 21:11.24 | SpeedEvil | it's turned on and off manually |
| 21:11.25 | Arif_ | meh |
| 21:11.36 | ShadowJK | CIR is slow enough |
| 21:11.47 | Arif_ | 'll try again on the next Moogo device |
| 21:13.10 | ShadowJK | once desoldered IR sensor from a a dead VCR and connected it to line-in and wrote software to decode the resulting signal when pressung stuff on the remote contorl, making it control xmms and MPlayer |
| 21:13.32 | ShadowJK | with modular plugins for controlling different programs and a button on the remote to switch from one program to another |
| 21:13.44 | ShadowJK | ... when it was done I learned of the existence of LIRC |
| 21:13.51 | ShadowJK | I was mildly annoyed |
| 21:14.57 | Arif_ | you must've been bored =} |
| 21:14.59 | Hydroxide | heh |
| 21:16.41 | ShadowJK | I had lots of spare time |
| 21:17.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the CIR "port" is actually a IrDA port I guess? |
| 21:17.53 | SpeedEvil | it's got a CIR mode too, it's quite complex |
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| 21:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: probably they couldn't do carier frequency tuning so easily with IrDA port? Nah, not a valid point |
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| 21:18.42 | SpeedEvil | I suspect someone just did it as a PWM without realising it could be done elsewise. |
| 21:18.55 | SpeedEvil | Or the hw engineering side hooked it to a pwm |
| 21:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:18.57 | ShadowJK | If it had been me I'd first connected it to a GPIO or a serial port and discovered it doesn't quite work, and then added PWM ;p |
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| 21:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you make me remember OM nighmares on fighting uphill to exploit functions we could have gotten for free, but "we don't need that. It's not in the specs" |
| 21:20.46 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 21:21.03 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 21:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. line in on hs connector |
| 21:21.08 | SpeedEvil | http://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/mobile_momentum/archive/2009/12/12/flash-10-moves-to-the-mobile-environment.aspx |
| 21:21.09 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:21.11 | SpeedEvil | flash |
| 21:21.22 | SpeedEvil | that would have been nice |
| 21:21.42 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 21:21.54 | ShadowJK | It says flash 9.4 on the box, so it will be 9.4! |
| 21:22.01 | SpeedEvil | I can see the rationale for not including anything that would boost the price - or make it more risky |
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| 21:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | line in is 5ct, 0 risk |
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| 21:24.04 | ShadowJK | Have you guys seen that guy on tmo that is modifying his N810 to add cellular? |
| 21:24.44 | SpeedEvil | pretty easy - if you are willing to make it bulge |
| 21:25.15 | ShadowJK | or use a smaller battery :) |
| 21:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: connecting clk_32k to PWM ext-clk another one, to make AUX/pwr LEDs dim/flash during suspend |
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| 21:25.42 | penguinbait | lcuk? |
| 21:25.57 | ShadowJK | I don't remebmber if he's making it bulge or not |
| 21:26.56 | Noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 21:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: or that incredible V-USB AbsMax 5.5V shit. Of course that's not for free to get at least a 7V conforming OVP. But otoh the risk reduction is well worth the 50ct |
| 21:29.37 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps, yes. |
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| 21:31.38 | ShadowJK | wow, that gprs module he bought is the size of an SD card |
| 21:31.50 | ShadowJK | mini sd |
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| 21:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | nah! |
| 21:32.58 | ShadowJK | he removed the minisd slot and put the gprs module there, and is pondering how to fit in the SIM |
| 21:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | maybe same footprint, yes |
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| 21:33.17 | ShadowJK | "have 1 big problem : space for sim . Probably i will remove all plastic of sim and solder directly. " |
| 21:33.30 | ShadowJK | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=527846&postcount=17 |
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| 21:33.38 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: he did this further down |
| 21:34.32 | ShadowJK | n810 with cellular modem would be awesome :( |
| 21:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | so the size is that of the miniSD *holder* |
| 21:34.40 | lcuk | penguinbait, |
| 21:35.23 | penguinbait | hey lcuk, did you accept your nomination? |
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| 21:37.04 | lcuk | penguinbait, did you manage to bend reality to add some extra time into a month? i did a whole extra week of OT in the last month. unless you find a way to gain some time i am not going to be able to do anything. |
| 21:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | actually even the footprint is quite a bit larger than the miniSD holder. And the whole thing will be an epic fail as you can't operate the module with all the thermal vias up in the air and hoping for the best :-) |
| 21:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | also I wonder what he planned for GSM antenna |
| 21:39.46 | penguinbait | lcuk that is too bad |
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| 21:41.13 | lcuk | indeed penguinbait tis silly season atm :) i have raised this internally ill accept/decline running tomorrow |
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| 21:44.15 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, maybe he'll just get lucky not knowing what he's doing :D |
| 21:45.21 | Arif_ | blinks |
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| 21:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, he could solder the thermal vias to a large heat dissipating plane - if that fits in there somehow. And he could just drill a hole in the case and mount an external GSM ant stub |
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| 22:08.24 | acidjazz | whens the x86 n1000 out? |
| 22:08.35 | Arif_ | tomorrow |
| 22:08.38 | acidjazz | whens my phone ognna be a brick? :/ |
| 22:08.41 | Arif_ | along with PR1.2 |
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| 22:11.15 | acidjazz | PR1.2 really comin out tomorrow? |
| 22:11.41 | Arif_ | yes |
| 22:11.58 | Arif_ | runs |
| 22:12.00 | lcuk | looks at Arif_ curiously |
| 22:12.11 | acidjazz | are ou referring to http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/rumours/1383-nokia-n900-to-get-first-meego-build-later-this-month |
| 22:12.31 | xorAxAx | i heard PR1.2 needs a multitouch display |
| 22:12.31 | Arif_ | no, I'm just telling everyone that asks |
| 22:12.51 | Arif_ | I hear PR1.2 makes the speakers not suck! |
| 22:13.22 | xorAxAx | by employing a gstreamer plugin that does multiband compression |
| 22:13.34 | xorAxAx | or companding even |
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| 22:14.39 | Arif_ | the stereo widening and loudness on older NSeries was nice |
| 22:14.40 | Arif_ | :P |
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| 22:20.39 | Hoxzer | wtf |
| 22:20.51 | Hoxzer | is there a way to make the image fixed the gallery keeps changing the pic |
| 22:23.23 | Klowner | hrm, if I need a daemon that runs in the background, can it also somehow provide a custom item in the preferences config app? |
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| 22:42.15 | Arif_ | moo |
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| 23:00.24 | ds3 | on the N900, is there a UI to switch the USB port between networking, modem, and mass storage? |
| 23:00.43 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:00.55 | SpeedEvil | well - between mass storage and another mode |
| 23:00.57 | Venomrush | actually only for the 1st time |
| 23:01.03 | Venomrush | once you have selected a mode |
| 23:01.05 | SpeedEvil | thatp ops up when you plug in the plug |
| 23:01.08 | Venomrush | you'll need to replug |
| 23:01.23 | Venomrush | to select the other mode |
| 23:01.43 | SpeedEvil | or reboot? |
| 23:02.03 | SpeedEvil | Unless you count the shell as UI |
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| 23:02.46 | orbarron | hi all... anyone knows how to stop my N900 from wanting to update? |
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| 23:04.32 | dregin | which rootstrap does the maemo SDK use for N900 dev? |
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| 23:19.27 | ptl | orbarron: why wouldn't you want that? I guess you'd have to mess with alarmd configuration |
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| 23:21.54 | orbarron | has a hack environment and update is killing my hildon desktop |
| 23:22.21 | SpeedEvil | Tjere os a way to tell the indexer not to touch stuff. |
| 23:22.22 | orbarron | found a solution by increasing the time |
| 23:22.25 | SpeedEvil | look in the config file |
| 23:22.28 | SpeedEvil | ~.config? |
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| 23:24.31 | bartekxyz | Is n900 worth buying? |
| 23:25.19 | T7g | is sex worth the potential of having children spawn from it? |
| 23:25.50 | Xisdibik | thats very women specific T7g |
| 23:25.55 | T7g | As in, it depends what you're into. Some people like missionary, some people like whips and feet |
| 23:26.10 | bartekxyz | T7g: that's not an answer |
| 23:26.20 | Termana_n810 | yes it is |
| 23:26.20 | Xisdibik | bartekxyz: it sort of is |
| 23:26.44 | Termana_n810 | hes basically saying - it depends on what you want/like |
| 23:26.55 | bartekxyz | I need something to replace my old trusty n95 |
| 23:27.11 | Termana_n810 | its not something we can tell you, its not just a yes or no question |
| 23:27.13 | T7g | I myself love anything Linux and so that fanboy part of me probably influenced my decision to buy it |
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| 23:28.21 | Xisdibik | bartekxyz: you experiance may vary but |
| 23:28.35 | Xisdibik | having bought the n900 before it was out and then recieving it, it is the best phone ive ever purchased |
| 23:28.54 | Xisdibik | Ive done more with it than ive done with any previous phone, and the things I could do on both my old phone and htis phone.. this phone does 5x better |
| 23:29.22 | Xisdibik | and with that im off work, bbl |
| 23:29.51 | bartekxyz | It has good os and nice hardware... It's just that well.. Big developers don't give a shit about n900 |
| 23:30.11 | bartekxyz | And i don't want to have only ports of linuxish apps |
| 23:30.47 | bartekxyz | Software is always a second half of a phone |
| 23:31.10 | bartekxyz | And i want big library of quality applications |
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| 23:31.45 | bartekxyz | I can pay for it as quality is more important to me than being freeware |
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| 23:31.54 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:31.59 | SpeedEvil | the apps are limited ATM |
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| 23:32.10 | SpeedEvil | Nokia isn't helping. |
| 23:32.16 | bartekxyz | That's why i have doubts |
| 23:32.40 | jebba | "big developers" will certainly be taking more notice to meego |
| 23:32.55 | haltdef | I don't see a need for big developers |
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| 23:33.05 | haltdef | n900 can do what my WM phone can do and then some as it is |
| 23:33.09 | bartekxyz | It's not a cheap phone and i don't want to be left with unusable brick |
| 23:33.35 | bartekxyz | I se a need of big developers |
| 23:33.39 | bartekxyz | See* |
| 23:33.40 | dregin | bartekxyz: I own an N900 after having had an N96 and N95 before that... N97 was AWFUL. N900 is really great. |
| 23:33.45 | dregin | eh |
| 23:33.51 | ptl | I want PR 1.2 :( |
| 23:34.04 | dregin | eh I owned and N97 not N96 |
| 23:34.05 | haltdef | so easy to port existing and proven linux apps to it |
| 23:34.24 | bartekxyz | Blah blah linux apps |
| 23:34.35 | haltdef | there's quite a lot out there :P |
| 23:34.36 | dregin | ? |
| 23:34.51 | ptl | dozens of thousands |
| 23:34.51 | dregin | define "Blah blah linux apps" |
| 23:34.53 | ptl | indeed |
| 23:34.54 | ptl | it can benefit hugely from that library |
| 23:35.05 | ptl | yeah. What's wrong with linux apps? |
| 23:35.27 | SpeedEvil | bartekxyz: not happening. At the very least mer would continue - even if nokia and intel exploded tomorrow. |
| 23:35.41 | haltdef | the idea of actual xchat or irssi on my phone makes me quite moist |
| 23:35.49 | dregin | weechat tbh |
| 23:36.07 | ptl | haltdef: agreed |
| 23:36.12 | haltdef | can't stand CLI clients :P |
| 23:36.25 | bartekxyz | Let's put it that way: i'm not a linux geek |
| 23:36.28 | haltdef | will try both irssi and xchat anyway though, might be more practical |
| 23:36.35 | haltdef | me either, can't stand linux anywhere but my router |
| 23:36.50 | ptl | bartekxyz: you don't need too, many linux apps are very good and friendly |
| 23:36.51 | dregin | why not? |
| 23:36.59 | ptl | Can't stand? |
| 23:37.11 | ptl | I love the GNU/Linux way⢠|
| 23:37.14 | dregin | eeehhhh the "... anywhere but my router" part |
| 23:37.24 | ptl | I thought moist was a positive world. |
| 23:37.32 | haltdef | .. not the point guys |
| 23:37.32 | ptl | XChat on the N900 is quite nice, irssi too |
| 23:37.57 | dregin | what *is* the point? |
| 23:37.57 | haltdef | point was I can't stand linux but all those linux apps on my phone .. yes please |
| 23:38.08 | haltdef | no need for these big developers when there's those :P |
| 23:38.19 | dregin | you can't just write off every linux app under one blind generalisation. |
| 23:38.45 | dregin | Why can you not stand linux? |
| 23:38.49 | ptl | Why can't you stand linux? |
| 23:38.54 | redeeman | ofcourse what people are talking about as "linux apps" really have very little with linux to do |
| 23:39.02 | haltdef | maybe android would be better for you if you want these big developers |
| 23:39.02 | ptl | I can't stand windows and I almost had to quit a job due to this |
| 23:39.08 | ptl | I struggled with Windows for 4 months |
| 23:39.21 | ptl | its interface is too limitted, to buggy, too closed, too inflexible, too self-centered |
| 23:39.26 | haltdef | never bloody works for me, so much effort to make basic things work |
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| 23:39.34 | ptl | had to change areas within my job |
| 23:39.44 | dregin | android is linux based is it not? |
| 23:39.51 | haltdef | tis |
| 23:39.51 | ptl | then I could use a GNU/Linux desktop and my performance improved many times |
| 23:40.01 | ptl | dregin: it is linux-kernel based, not linux-environment based |
| 23:40.07 | bartekxyz | linux is for people who have time to struggle with every single thing |
| 23:40.08 | ptl | linux uses X, GTK+, QT and such on its applications |
| 23:40.10 | haltdef | mmhmm, no use :P |
| 23:40.22 | ptl | so you can't port applications in a very straightforward way |
| 23:40.36 | ptl | bartekxyz: this is a prejudiced misconception. |
| 23:41.00 | dregin | big time |
| 23:41.00 | ptl | bartekxyz: in fact, most of linux comes configured and preinstalled, including an office package. |
| 23:41.10 | redeeman | bartekxyz: i spend less time doing administrating things on my linux workstations COMBINED than you do on a single winblows |
| 23:41.11 | bartekxyz | I like install and forget type of os |
| 23:41.17 | dregin | I moved my parents PC to ubuntu a while ago and they havent had any issues with it |
| 23:41.37 | ptl | bartekxyz: you're justing echoing ancient myths. |
| 23:41.45 | redeeman | bartekxyz: how many times did you reinstall over the years? im on my installation from 2004-ish when i got an amd64 first |
| 23:41.50 | ptl | they had its time |
| 23:41.55 | dregin | and SSH access leaves is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to manage from where I am without having to have hour long conversations talking them through every little step in windows |
| 23:42.03 | ptl | they have been once true. In 1995, 1996, maybe. |
| 23:42.16 | redeeman | ptl: not really, because back then the competition was even further behind |
| 23:42.25 | ptl | redeeman: good point, lol |
| 23:42.31 | redeeman | consider this |
| 23:42.34 | redeeman | up until late 2007 |
| 23:42.41 | redeeman | you had to use FLOPPIES to get microsofts OS onto a recent computer |
| 23:42.54 | redeeman | how very easy and grand |
| 23:42.58 | ptl | I didn't know that |
| 23:43.06 | haltdef | never needed to feed xp sata drivers before |
| 23:43.08 | dregin | the hard drive issue? |
| 23:43.10 | redeeman | xp didn't have sata drivers or ahci support |
| 23:43.16 | ptl | I don't have any real contact with windows and I'm glad for it |
| 23:43.23 | haltdef | do not miss that OS though :P |
| 23:43.44 | bartekxyz | I use ubuntu in my work but it's 1/10 as functional for end user than win 7 |
| 23:43.48 | ptl | every time they put me on a Windows machine I struggle to find things, to do stuff |
| 23:43.57 | dregin | can one of you tell me what rootstrap I should be using with the maemo SDK for N900 dev? |
| 23:44.01 | redeeman | and winblows still cannot even do proper window management that we have had for more than 15 years |
| 23:44.03 | ptl | bartekxyz: that's a particular opinion and it depends heavily on your user case. |
| 23:44.09 | dregin | bartekxyz: define "functional" |
| 23:44.14 | bartekxyz | And i dont give a fuck about administration things as i am consumer |
| 23:44.22 | ptl | bartekxyz: who said we do? |
| 23:44.26 | redeeman | window management is NOT an administrative thing |
| 23:44.34 | redeeman | its something that actually boosts productivity bigtime |
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| 23:45.07 | dregin | I can't imagine doing dev work on a machine that only has one desktop to work with. |
| 23:45.11 | dregin | They become too cluttered |
| 23:45.33 | redeeman | dregin: its far worse that you have to find the window title bar to move it, or find the corners to resize |
| 23:45.33 | ptl | dregin: I can't imagine doing anything but the most trivial tasks without more than one desktop |
| 23:45.37 | redeeman | like.. wtf, is this 1980?! |
| 23:46.06 | redeeman | or that you cant make rules for how windows gets placed |
| 23:46.14 | redeeman | so antiquated and archaic is winblows |
| 23:46.20 | dregin | oh well |
| 23:46.26 | dregin | I think this has gone waayyy off topic |
| 23:46.35 | dregin | @{ |
| 23:46.37 | dregin | @{ |
| 23:46.40 | dregin | typing fail |
| 23:46.41 | bartekxyz | Gibberish |
| 23:46.42 | dregin | :P |
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| 23:47.08 | dregin | you say you're nothing but an end-user and yet you also have the authority to call this discussion gibberish? |
| 23:47.15 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
| 23:47.15 | dregin | quality loltroll |
| 23:47.21 | redeeman | he has not even tried the good stuff |
| 23:47.22 | SpeedEvil | I want multiple desktops on n900 |
| 23:47.26 | redeeman | he installs ubuntu and talks about linux |
| 23:47.30 | redeeman | when ubuntu has NOTHING to do with it |
| 23:47.46 | redeeman | ubuntu is nowhere near upstream, in quality or otherwise |
| 23:48.22 | ptl | bartekxyz: windows use forces you in a mental state that you intuitively use it as the perfect model for comparison, and in this state of mind, every OS but Windows lose, of course. What you have to understand is that there are other intuitive models of interface and usage, also different applications, and the use of GNU/Linux is a whole new world, different ways to do the same stuff. |
| 23:48.25 | dregin | SpeedEvil: there are multiple desktops on it |
| 23:48.42 | redeeman | another favorite of mine in winblows is how one cannot move the window over the screen top, when you can move it down the bottom, or the the sides - BUT NOT THE TOP! the top is reserved by GOD |
| 23:48.57 | dregin | :D |
| 23:49.04 | ptl | bartekxyz: once you get past this comparison point, you are prepared to understand better how it is to use another OS, not only GNU/Linux. |
| 23:49.27 | ptl | SpeedEvil: you want? You don't have? |
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| 23:50.09 | bjv | i insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko |
| 23:50.13 | bjv | jbd and ext3 |
| 23:50.34 | bartekxyz | Oh,so you think i am windows fanboy petrified by big corp? Brainwashed by commercial shit? |
| 23:50.38 | bjv | but mount fails unhelpfully, while trying to mount my internal flash partition |
| 23:50.50 | bjv | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/external/ failed |
| 23:50.59 | bartekxyz | I am using windows since 2005 |
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| 23:51.25 | bartekxyz | And 15 earlier years i was using AmigaOS |
| 23:51.43 | ptl | bartekxyz: I don't know if you are but from your talk it seems like you're too used to the Windows interface. Anyway I believe I didn't say anything derogatory about your usage, I think. |
| 23:51.48 | lardman | evening all (assuming the last one didn't get through) |
| 23:52.04 | redeeman | bartekxyz: and what did you use in 2004? |
| 23:52.14 | dregin | bartekxyz: you said yourself, you were nothing more than a consumer. Do you have extensive experience with non-windows OS'? |
| 23:52.16 | bartekxyz | Amigaos 3.9 |
| 23:52.43 | SpeedEvil | ptl: I mean wiht an easy way of switching between real virtual desktops - not simply different backgreounds and widget sets |
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| 23:53.03 | bartekxyz | I saim that whole 15 years before 2005 i was using amiga only |
| 23:53.12 | bartekxyz | Said* |
| 23:53.19 | dregin | righteo |
| 23:53.45 | ptl | SpeedEvil: oh, but I wonder how would that integrate in a desktop with a small status bar and all applications maximized |
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| 23:57.23 | lardman | anyone know about gst multiqueue? |
| 23:57.58 | bjv | bad news, i guess: The following packages will be REMOVED: hildon-application-framework-rx34-rx44 hildon-theme-echo* osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked |
| 23:57.58 | bjv | The following packages will be upgraded: dialcentral gpodder kernel-diablo-flasher libdb4.2 libxcomposite1 libxml2 makedev pre-installed-documentation-rx44 tcl8.4 tk8.4 xserver-xomap |
| 23:58.14 | lcuk | lardman, im sure some do |
| 23:58.32 | lardman | lcuk: apparently not on #gstreamer, no suggestions today |
| 23:58.46 | lcuk | thats just bad form then |
| 23:58.49 | lcuk | what is a multiqueue |
| 23:58.57 | lcuk | and why do you need it |
| 23:59.03 | bartekxyz | Find me linux apps which can do more or the same that sony vegas 8,reason 4 and traktor pro with the same comfortable UI and i will switch to linux |
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| 23:59.15 | lardman | dunno, but I'm wondering if it's like an inverted tee, so I can push from more than one source |
| 23:59.17 | lcuk | perhaps the question itself was just too generic to let people jump and assist! |
| 23:59.47 | lcuk | ahh this is wrt your wanting to allow file selection down the pipeline |
| 23:59.57 | bartekxyz | Oh,and i want quality drivers for my radeon video card |
