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| 00:02.58 | Arif_ | http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001MQ8BL6/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new |
| 00:02.59 | Arif_ | hmmm |
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| 00:33.32 | realitygaps | anyone managed to clone n900 to sd and boot? |
| 00:34.40 | SpeedEvil | I cloned my n900, but there was a fly in the chamber too, and I had to kill it. |
| 00:36.24 | zash | SpeedEvil: What have you done!? |
| 00:36.47 | pupnik | realitygaps: i think Stskeeps knows but he hasnt come of his basement for weeks |
| 00:37.17 | pupnik | just tells me to slip a sucer of milk with rum under the door |
| 00:37.25 | realitygaps | pupnik, thx. do you think the n900 would take ota updates off the SD also? |
| 00:38.10 | pupnik | actually it would be fun to get the sdk stuff onto mmc1 |
| 00:38.16 | ds3 | GA: what's going on with those deletions you pointed out? |
| 00:38.28 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, I don't have a clue. :D |
| 00:39.39 | ds3 | GA: oh... I seem to recall that page you pointed to had instructions on sharing the DUN not completely exporting it |
| 00:39.46 | ds3 | but it is all gone :( |
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| 00:43.48 | Arif_ | :( |
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| 01:30.02 | ShadowJK | Ahh, it's so much more fun to hack on something you have no clue about |
| 01:30.44 | SpeedEvil | passes ShadowJK a broken steam sewing machine. |
| 01:30.58 | ShadowJK | my attempt at analying ftd logs on N800 to get an estimate on the battery's internal resistance gave as reliable results as throwing a dice would have :) |
| 01:32.05 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - the intermal measurements seem odd. |
| 01:32.27 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I half-rigged up an external sensor thing - but it diddn't work well. rebuilding it now. |
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| 01:33.33 | ShadowJK | but hey, if I ignore all the results that I don't like, and arbitrarily keep the ones I like, I get a nice number |
| 01:34.19 | shamus | yah seams that most batery meaters in any devise are not that acureat |
| 01:34.20 | SpeedEvil | google impedence spectroscopy |
| 01:34.30 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: |
| 01:35.20 | ShadowJK | oh come on, if I read about it I'll have no fun knowing i'm doomed |
| 01:36.11 | shamus | has taken to ignoring the batery meater on his n800 |
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| 01:37.46 | SpeedEvil | The impedence of the battery - new - is well under 0.3 ohms. |
| 01:38.59 | ShadowJK | the battery management system on N800 has a field for it, claiming 180mohm, iirc |
| 01:39.01 | ShadowJK | 160 on n810 |
| 01:39.14 | ShadowJK | it's never ever updated though |
| 01:39.41 | SpeedEvil | 160 is quite believable. |
| 01:39.46 | SpeedEvil | For a fresh battery. |
| 01:39.54 | SpeedEvil | After a year, that's going to double |
| 01:40.02 | SpeedEvil | typically at least |
| 01:40.18 | shamus | where dose one find that info? |
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| 01:41.03 | ShadowJK | my attempt at measuring it wasn't that successful |
| 01:41.14 | ShadowJK | I mostly get the sign right, 60% of the time ;-) |
| 01:41.36 | SpeedEvil | shamus: the easy way is to hook it up to a battery analyser |
| 01:41.43 | shamus | ahhh |
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| 01:42.11 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Take a load. Apply it, wait, measure volts, turn it off, wait, measure volts. Repeat 50* |
| 01:42.26 | visz | f me sideways |
| 01:42.31 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yep |
| 01:42.39 | shamus | yah not sure if the bat is new or not as i got the n800 oem and well no way of knowing if they replaced the batery or not |
| 01:42.40 | visz | dropped my n900 to toilet bowl |
| 01:42.44 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: the flashlight LEDs might be suitable - for example. Or turn the backlight from brightness 0 to 255 |
| 01:42.49 | SpeedEvil | visz: remove battery |
| 01:42.53 | visz | i did |
| 01:43.02 | SpeedEvil | visz: clean toilet bowl? |
| 01:43.08 | ShadowJK | what leds, N800 has no Leds |
| 01:43.10 | visz | luckily, yeah =) |
| 01:43.19 | shamus | n800 has an led |
| 01:43.22 | ShadowJK | I'm not touching N900, there's no (known) way to access the sensors there |
| 01:43.23 | SpeedEvil | visz: Place in oven at 60C for a day |
| 01:43.25 | visz | now it's 10 hours later and the power button does nothing |
| 01:43.27 | visz | yeah |
| 01:43.33 | visz | good idea |
| 01:43.35 | shamus | but dilblo dose not like letign the led work |
| 01:43.51 | SpeedEvil | visz: do not try to power it up - keeping the battery in for more than moments is a bad plan. |
| 01:44.06 | SpeedEvil | visz: :/ |
| 01:44.08 | ShadowJK | anyway, media player streaming over wlan is like 400mA load.. switch it off and plug in charger, and it's a 1200mA differential |
| 01:44.36 | shamus | yep ass soon as an electron device hits the water you want to rush it to a place to remover the bat and let it air dry |
| 01:45.48 | shamus | has saved an only phone from death by water damager befor |
| 01:45.48 | SpeedEvil | visz: generally my procedure with electronics is to remvoe power ASAP, then possibly dissasemble, wash in hot soapy water, rinse in hot distilled water, then dry in air at 60-80C for a couple of days. If the water is clean, you may get away with not dissasembling if you dry it for a long time |
| 01:45.51 | visz | too bad i didn't get the operators insurance for that |
| 01:47.03 | ShadowJK | I found this energizer paper on internal resistance |
| 01:47.16 | ShadowJK | It uses a 100ms pulse of high load |
| 01:47.24 | ShadowJK | is mostly doing 1-minute "pulses"... |
| 01:47.32 | crashanddie | visz: just remove the battery, leave it on a heater or in front of the airconditioning (anything which will remove humidity), oven only if you can leave the door open |
| 01:48.15 | visz | i left it in sauna |
| 01:48.24 | visz | with low heat |
| 01:48.33 | shamus | but in general the longer you leave power conected the higher the risk of further damage |
| 01:48.40 | visz | my 6110 navigator survived similar accident |
| 01:49.00 | visz | but i don't think this one will make it |
| 01:49.08 | shamus | yes well you got lucky |
| 01:49.12 | visz | just need to get my work to buy me a new one |
| 01:49.17 | crashanddie | visz: sauna is *not* a good idea |
| 01:49.22 | crashanddie | visz: way too much humidity |
| 01:49.22 | visz | yes it is |
| 01:49.25 | visz | no it's not |
| 01:49.28 | SpeedEvil | oops - yeah. Gas oven is bad. |
| 01:49.29 | visz | finnish sauna |
| 01:49.30 | ptl | mobile phones should reproduce, so natural selection would act on them and make them more sturdy for cases like that. |
| 01:49.49 | shamus | most devices dont like the water |
| 01:49.52 | visz | there's no humidity until you pour water on the stove |
| 01:50.11 | visz | ptl, =) |
| 01:51.37 | crashanddie | visz: I thought the whole point of a sauna was to retain humidity? |
| 01:51.43 | crashanddie | visz: anyway, your call |
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| 01:52.24 | ShadowJK | It's finnish sauna he's talking about. The point about finnish sauna is torture |
| 01:52.43 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: lul |
| 01:53.42 | ShadowJK | In the Sauna bathing championships they use 110C temperature :-) |
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| 01:55.44 | ptl | do the champions win by evaporating? |
| 01:56.13 | ShadowJK | the last one to leave wins |
| 01:56.47 | visz | i prefer a bit milder temperatures |
| 01:56.50 | visz | 75C is nice |
| 01:56.53 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Leave alive, or leave? |
| 01:57.00 | ptl | to leave alive, you mean. 110â°C cooks a man. |
| 01:57.33 | SpeedEvil | Over the short term - you can take a lot of heat. |
| 01:57.37 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I don't think there's been anyone yet with enough determination to stay until death |
| 01:57.59 | SpeedEvil | You would die if you're in a bath at 45C for a long time. |
| 01:58.08 | SpeedEvil | But for short periods, it can be nice. |
| 01:58.35 | ShadowJK | Apparently some do stay long enough to get burns |
| 01:58.36 | SpeedEvil | Heating up ~100kg of human takes a lot of energy. |
| 01:58.40 | ptl | when they realize they're in danger of death it might be too late for them too leave - they might be weak |
| 01:58.45 | ds3 | Hmmm there sure is a lot of different opinions on what plans will work with the N900 on TMO |
| 01:58.56 | SpeedEvil | ds3: where are you? |
| 01:59.02 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: US |
| 01:59.10 | ShadowJK | ptl, I'm sure they'd pull them out when they stop screaming :-) |
| 01:59.38 | ptl | what's TMO? |
| 01:59.43 | ds3 | some folks say TMO might block based on IMEI and others says it may just work and yet there is another post on internet3 users not working |
| 01:59.48 | ds3 | TMO == Tmobile |
| 02:00.01 | ShadowJK | or talk.maemo.org |
| 02:00.11 | ds3 | Deuteche Telecom's (sp) mobile phone name |
| 02:00.29 | ds3 | I hope talk.maemo.org won't have the ability to block by IMEI ;) |
| 02:01.21 | ShadowJK | Keep in mind that t-mobile in US is different from t-mobile in UK is different from t-mobile in Germany |
| 02:01.46 | ds3 | most of the posts are from the US side |
| 02:02.59 | crashanddie | wishes for people to learn how to debate |
| 02:03.15 | crashanddie | instead of just going constantly "I didn't say that", "I didn't say that", "I didn't say that" |
| 02:03.33 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't say that. |
| 02:03.55 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: very predictable |
| 02:04.55 | ptl | I didn't say that I didn't say that |
| 02:05.09 | Hoxzer | my tactics are following when it comes to debating: if sure about something -> say the thing -> if he doesn't believe -> grab n900 and google it. If not sure you can be like "Ooh is it so =)" |
| 02:06.12 | Hoxzer | but usually nto all subjects have a clear yes-no answer |
| 02:06.49 | ptl | I find this US habit of buying phones tied to operators very unsettling, I'd never permit myself to be bossed by some corporation while paying to them. |
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| 02:08.06 | Hoxzer | ptl: it kills the competition. When those deals to sell phone+connection as a same package became legal in finland the prices simply stopped dropping |
| 02:09.53 | SpeedEvil | The market in the UK could be a lot worse. |
| 02:10.41 | SpeedEvil | You - as a private individual - simply can't get the same rate as a phone shop who signs you up as a new customer, and uses the kickback from the network to subsidise your phone. |
| 02:10.52 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - there are mostly-sane PAYG deals. |
| 02:10.57 | SpeedEvil | pay as you go |
| 02:11.24 | ptl | freedom is expensive. |
| 02:12.25 | pupnik | what happened to wimax in usa? |
| 02:13.39 | shamus | dead |
| 02:13.45 | shamus | probly |
| 02:13.47 | pupnik | probably the regional govt fiefdoms got in the way |
| 02:15.04 | SpeedEvil | wimax is not magic. |
| 02:15.11 | ds3 | are there PAYG data outside of europe? |
| 02:15.25 | SpeedEvil | Unless you have tight control of bandwidth, it will get killed by those abusing it. |
| 02:16.15 | SpeedEvil | Think of wireless not like the internet, but one big 10base-t network. |
| 02:20.23 | Arkenoi | some local users (here in Russia) got up to 2Tb monthly |
| 02:20.33 | Arkenoi | mostly torrents and shit |
| 02:20.51 | Arkenoi | don't know why does anyone need such huge traffic |
| 02:21.02 | Arkenoi | seems to be extreme case of digital hoarding |
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| 02:45.50 | crashanddie | anyone in Australia have recommendations for a 3g contract? |
| 02:50.47 | crashanddie | and does tethering work with the N900? |
| 02:50.53 | crashanddie | (I realise I never asked myself those questions) |
| 02:51.14 | ali1234 | tethering works over USB, didn' try anything else |
| 02:51.38 | ali1234 | i think someone got it working over bluetooth DUN |
| 02:55.50 | crashanddie | nha, 3g + bluetooth would kill the battery anyway |
| 02:56.22 | crashanddie | I'm actually wondering if a dual sim contract wouldn't be more interesting |
| 02:56.33 | crashanddie | one for a usb dongle and one for the n900 |
| 02:59.07 | crashanddie | thoughts? |
| 03:00.16 | pupnik | pleeze upgrade python-pygame from 1.8.1release-0maemo3 to 1.9 ! kthxbai! |
| 03:01.07 | RST38h | Within moments the room had filled with kittens and they began to exert massive pressures on the surrounding doors before breaking through and began to fill SiteÁÁ. |
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| 03:09.37 | pupnik | :D :D .. :D |
| 03:10.58 | crashanddie | "I'm confused, I'm a pro with Windows but Linux is hard" |
| 03:11.17 | crashanddie | --tmo user, 6th March 2010 |
| 03:15.10 | Hydroxide | hehe |
| 03:16.13 | Hydroxide | it's true enough while still being funny - certainly I'm more convinced at the ability of a professional linux sysadmin to master professional windows sysadmin stuff than the reverse situation, speaking generally of course and realizing that exceptions exist |
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| 03:19.48 | GeneralAntilles | Cultural thing |
| 03:19.48 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, who the hell uses only Linux from the get-go? |
| 03:20.20 | RST38h | why not? |
| 03:21.06 | pupnik | i wouldnt want to drive a car in london if i could avoid it |
| 03:21.28 | Hydroxide | GeneralAntilles: if you are only looking at professional sysadminning and not personal use, many people. if you look at personal use, it's less common, but interestingly people who learn Linux as their first OS sometimes find it easier than windows, and are quite comfortable with the command line. |
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| 03:34.06 | jebba | i use only linux :) |
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| 03:35.44 | xcoimbra | hi |
| 03:35.51 | jo-erlend | How do I delete all contacts that are imported from a sim-card? I lent my n900 to a friend tonight, and I had to import all his contacts in order to look them up, but I'm really not interested in his contacts. |
| 03:36.27 | digitus | hi |
| 03:36.42 | digitus | jo-erlend kill irc.virtualife.com.br |
| 03:37.04 | jo-erlend | hmm? |
| 03:37.15 | digitus | jo-erlend kill irc.virtualife.com.br |
| 03:37.22 | jo-erlend | really. |
| 03:37.23 | digitus | jo-erlend pacote irc.virtualife.com.br |
| 03:38.13 | digitus | bots lag irc.virtualife.com.br |
| 03:38.52 | jo-erlend | I see.. What made you think I'm an oper on that network? :) |
| 03:40.48 | ptl | ???? |
| 03:40.51 | ptl | this is a brazilian IRC network |
| 03:40.57 | ptl | what does it have to do with freenode or maemo at all? |
| 03:41.15 | ptl | pacote means to nuke, to make unavailable |
| 03:41.48 | ptl | it seems he's confusing you with a bot and trying to make you initiate a DDoS to irc.virtualife.com.br |
| 03:41.54 | digitus | you know of someone who lag in the networks? |
| 03:41.57 | ptl | someone must have passed some kind of fake instructions for him to do it. |
| 03:42.47 | ptl | digitus: what's that all about? |
| 03:43.32 | digitus | wanted in a network lag |
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| 03:45.22 | digitus | queria da pacotes com shell |
| 03:45.33 | digitus | wanted the package with shell |
| 03:45.47 | ptl | lol |
| 03:45.49 | ptl | this is not the place |
| 03:46.06 | ptl | digitus: por favor, nao aqui nessa rede. Aqui na freenode nao tem isso, e e' proibido. |
| 03:46.22 | ptl | (sorry, people, for the portuguese) |
| 03:46.59 | digitus | speaks Portuguese |
| 03:47.00 | digitus | ? |
| 03:47.46 | ptl | Yes. I do. |
| 03:47.51 | digitus | claro |
| 03:47.53 | digitus | iai |
| 03:47.54 | digitus | :) |
| 03:49.01 | digitus | ptl |
| 03:49.04 | ptl | We can't speak portuguese on this channel.. and this is about maemo, not nukes |
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| 03:50.16 | digitus | why can not speak Portuguese? .. and on the nukes were playing so |
| 03:51.58 | ptl | because this channel is an international channel, as far as I understand it. |
| 03:54.18 | digitus | they speak English .. your name? |
| 03:57.37 | jo-erlend | How do I delete all contacts that are imported from a sim-card? I lent my n900 to a friend tonight, and I had to import all his contacts in order to look them up, but I'm really not interested in his contacts. |
| 04:00.02 | lcuk | jo-erlend, click on the delete contacts menu |
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| 04:01.23 | jo-erlend | and then manually select each and every one? |
| 04:01.31 | jo-erlend | that'll take forever... |
| 04:01.49 | lcuk | its not exactly a common use case |
| 04:02.05 | jo-erlend | no, but they have to be stored somewhere? |
| 04:02.16 | lcuk | yeah |
| 04:03.20 | lcuk | since you have been asking us for 25 minutes at least , ibet in that time you could have tap tap tapped your way through easily 1000 |
| 04:03.52 | jo-erlend | right, but I still like to know how stuff works. |
| 04:04.22 | jo-erlend | and I haven't asked for twenty minutes. I've asked twice because digitus made such a lot of fuzz about lag on another network. |
| 04:05.09 | ali1234 | i kind of doubt that once you've imported them you'd be able to figure out where they came from |
| 04:05.10 | lcuk | i dunno where the database s ot what format its in unfortunately |
| 04:05.24 | lcuk | is or |
| 04:06.04 | lcuk | sleeps anyway |
| 04:06.21 | jo-erlend | that's not really necessary, I wanted to delete all contacts that weren't from mail or xmpp. |
| 04:06.33 | ali1234 | may be possible then |
| 04:06.54 | jo-erlend | lcuk, thanks anyway. That function actually made it a small process. |
| 04:07.06 | ptl | it is within a sqlite database, I think.... evolution contacts or something |
| 04:07.20 | ptl | there's some stuff about it on maemo.org, if you google for it you'll find |
| 04:07.46 | jo-erlend | oh! Is it stored within e-d-s? |
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| 04:08.52 | jo-erlend | that does make sense, come to think of it. In that case, it's a piece of cake. :) |
| 04:10.11 | jo-erlend | perfect solution; I got the GUI-way and the CLI-way at once. Perfect. Thanks to you both. :) |
| 04:15.53 | ptl | jo-erlend: yw, sorry to take long to respond |
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| 04:37.37 | LiraNuna | in N900, is it possible to browse the web vertically? |
| 04:38.08 | tank-man | "if you build it, ..." |
| 04:38.29 | tank-man | on n800/n810, you can |
| 04:38.55 | LiraNuna | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgG6UY4nxQg |
| 04:38.56 | LiraNuna | sweet |
| 04:38.56 | tank-man | i don't know about n900 |
| 04:41.20 | LiraNuna | there are videos showing how to do that |
| 04:41.28 | LiraNuna | err, that it is possible* |
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| 04:42.40 | SpeedEvil | it is not a supported feature |
| 04:43.21 | LiraNuna | SpeedEvil, will it ever be? |
| 04:43.25 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 04:43.41 | SpeedEvil | I was earlier using firefox in the debian chroot, rotated 90 degrees. |
| 04:43.48 | SpeedEvil | But that's even less of a supported feature :) |
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| 05:18.44 | slackmagic | how do i check if fm transmitter is disabled/enabled? for some odd reason, no matter what I do, fm transmitter doesn't seem to want to work for me. |
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| 05:24.05 | AntiXpucT | LiraNuna, [07:37:59] <LiraNuna> in N900, is it possible to browse the web vertically? |
| 05:24.12 | AntiXpucT | yes, is it |
| 05:24.25 | LiraNuna | how? I only saw videos that said it's a bug |
| 05:24.38 | GeneralAntilles | ctrl-shift-o |
| 05:24.41 | AntiXpucT | press "ctrl+shift+o" |
| 05:24.46 | AntiXpucT | and restart browser |
| 05:25.15 | AntiXpucT | s/yes, is it/yes, it is/ |
| 05:27.09 | LiraNuna | noting |
| 05:27.23 | GeneralAntilles | Close the keyboard, switch to portrait. |
| 05:27.49 | LiraNuna | am I being toyed with |
| 05:28.01 | GeneralAntilles | . . . |
| 05:28.52 | LiraNuna | oh my it works |
| 05:29.01 | LiraNuna | why the weird keyboard shortcut? |
| 05:29.16 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's not yet officially supported. |
| 05:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | Still buggy |
| 05:29.48 | LiraNuna | does that mean it would be made official? |
| 05:31.37 | AntiXpucT | btw, i think, that it shouldn't change orientation, like it did it now. It should did somwthgink like xrandr -o {left,right,normal,inverted} |
| 05:31.56 | AntiXpucT | and turn screen in that way, as you turn device ;) |
| 05:32.53 | GeneralAntilles | That doesn't sound completely obnoxious or anything. |
| 05:32.55 | Proteous | I disliked the rotation on my n97, it always seemed to rotate when you didn't want it too |
| 05:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 05:33.22 | Proteous | hold it at a slightly wrong angle and look, you get to wait for it to rotate between horz and vert |
| 05:33.28 | Proteous | and it's not instant |
| 05:33.47 | AntiXpucT | try xrandr on linux desktop |
| 05:33.53 | AntiXpucT | it is mostly instant ;) |
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| 05:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | AntiXpucT, a mobile device is not a desktop. |
| 05:35.21 | AntiXpucT | and? |
| 05:35.21 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.21 | SpeedEvil | The applications repainting generally isn't. |
| 05:35.31 | AntiXpucT | it using X server like a desktop. And xrandr should work perfectly ;) |
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| 05:35.53 | SpeedEvil | xrandr works. |
| 05:36.08 | AntiXpucT | ^_^ |
| 05:36.09 | SpeedEvil | The applications - many of them - do not support the other aspect ratio. |
| 05:36.20 | SpeedEvil | Either at all, or well, depending on the app. |
| 05:36.27 | AntiXpucT | >_< |
| 05:39.29 | ds3 | speaking of randr, is the S-Video out consider another screen or is it just aa mirror of the LCD? |
| 05:39.41 | SpeedEvil | it's another screen |
| 05:39.49 | SpeedEvil | can have completely different content on it |
| 05:39.54 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody used it as such yet? |
| 05:40.08 | ds3 | howhard is it tosend media player output to it? |
| 05:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, pretty easy if you don't mind the mirroring setup out of the box. ;) |
| 05:40.44 | ds3 | Ohhhh |
| 05:40.51 | ds3 | so by default, it is a mirror |
| 05:41.37 | ds3 | GA: pulled the trigger on the 900 so I am gathering info on how to customize it while i wait |
| 05:42.54 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: lcuk did |
| 05:46.59 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, lol, congrats. ;) |
| 05:48.48 | AntiXpucT | btw... now i've Qt4.5.3 & Qt4.6.2 both installed on my n900 (libqt4-* in /usr/lib/qt4 (4.5.3) and libqt4-maemo5-* in /opt (4.6.2)). Is it any way to uninstall 4.5.3, but don't uninstall all software, that using it (some metapackages, packages with symlink to /opt/qt4-maemo, etc)? |
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| 05:52.40 | slackmagic | arggh! I can't believe it, been trying to get this fm transmitting thing to work for hours and something's just not right. It's not disabled, firmware latest (US version), everything on the device itself seems to do its job, but when it comes to 3 diff cars and 3 diff radios, none of them would pick up any signal. any advice? |
| 05:54.03 | Proteous | hmm |
| 05:54.43 | shamus | pick a less bussy frequency? |
| 05:54.44 | slackmagic | fmtx_client shows all info correctly and that it's disabled/enabled (whenever i turn it off / on) and man, i'm lost here. would have thought it was as easy as turning it on/off |
| 05:54.55 | slackmagic | shamus, tried them all, lowest up to highest |
| 05:55.40 | shamus | ;acks a fm transmiter in his n800 |
| 05:55.47 | shamus | so was a guess |
| 05:56.33 | slackmagic | shamus: it's a good guess, that's usually the problem with fm transmitters since there are so many stations out there, but that unfortunately isn't the reason |
| 05:56.44 | shamus | alltho my reciver is super senstive. far more sensitve then some radios |
| 05:57.27 | shamus | maby your antena is not conected? |
| 05:57.41 | shamus | maby ituses the head phones as and antena |
| 05:57.48 | slackmagic | shamus: tried in 3 different vehicles and 3 different standalone radios |
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| 05:58.28 | shamus | i know i cant recive shit if i do not have my head phones pluged in |
| 05:58.38 | shamus | as it uses them as it's antena |
| 05:59.01 | shamus | maby it uses them as the transmiting antena as well? |
| 05:59.09 | AntiXpucT | no |
| 05:59.25 | slackmagic | based on all the youtube vids etc, no cable/fake antenna is required for this to work |
| 05:59.28 | AntiXpucT | it says "i can't working if any cable plugged in" |
| 05:59.49 | shamus | ahhhh |
| 06:00.21 | shamus | maby it's a hardwhere issue |
| 06:01.09 | AntiXpucT | btw, i get signal from n900 only on distance <=30cm. |
| 06:02.02 | slackmagic | AntiXpucT: you might want to search for fm-boost to increase the strength of signal to like 118 i believe, should give you 2-3m then |
| 06:02.16 | AntiXpucT | i increase it to 120 |
| 06:02.19 | AntiXpucT | ;) |
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| 06:02.39 | slackmagic | AntiXpucT: ah, ok. even better :), but at least yours is working. Mine doesn't transmit crap |
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| 06:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | shamus, no. |
| 06:10.39 | ds3 | anyone know what is the story with IR on the N900? seems some places say there is none, others say it is receive only, and so forth? |
| 06:10.43 | GeneralAntilles | shamus, the 3.5mm jack is the antenna for FM RX. |
| 06:10.52 | GeneralAntilles | shamus, the FM TX uses an internal antenna. |
| 06:11.05 | shamus | ok |
| 06:11.15 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, TX only as far as I'm aware. |
| 06:11.33 | ds3 | GA: what was/is it intended for? |
| 06:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, CIR |
| 06:11.55 | GeneralAntilles | Presumably TV control and such |
| 06:11.59 | ds3 | Ohhhh okay |
| 06:12.07 | ds3 | does it come with remote software? |
| 06:12.10 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody put together a camera shutter remote too. |
| 06:12.28 | ds3 | or even a LiRC driver/support? |
| 06:12.40 | SpeedEvil | lirc, yes |
| 06:12.41 | GeneralAntilles | No, but irreco's in Extras and lirc works great. |
| 06:13.09 | ds3 | so one could record an IR remote on a PC and have the N900 play it back? |
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| 06:13.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 06:13.24 | ds3 | nice |
| 06:13.24 | GeneralAntilles | It also includes a lot of remotes profiles, too. |
| 06:13.49 | ds3 | "It"? eh? didn't you just say it doesn't come with remote software? |
| 06:13.55 | GeneralAntilles | irreco, sorry. |
| 06:14.14 | shamus | the repositories are your friend |
| 06:14.53 | ds3 | oh okay |
| 06:15.15 | ds3 | that explains the range of descriptions |
| 06:15.50 | ds3 | what about armour^H^H^H^H^H^H hard cases? does anyone make one yet? |
| 06:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | diamond... accept no substitutes |
| 06:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | takes a while to grow an artificial diamond into the correct shape, though |
| 06:18.17 | ds3 | heh |
| 06:18.18 | shamus | oh speaking of fm rx is it posable to prevent it from disabling the internal speakers when the headphones are pluged in |
| 06:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... if you have to ask what it costs, you can't afford it |
| 06:19.30 | crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat: how about you take that whole top-of-the-world act and take it outside? |
| 06:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | top-of-the-world? but it's flat! |
| 06:20.26 | SpeedEvil | diamond would not be a great case. |
| 06:20.29 | SpeedEvil | It may shatter |
| 06:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | shamus, toggle the setting in the menu? |
| 06:20.41 | crashanddie | o/ GeneralAntilles |
| 06:20.49 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, crashanddie. |
| 06:20.54 | shamus | has a n800 |
| 06:21.18 | shamus | has yet to find such a seting in the menu |
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| 06:21.46 | crashanddie | shamus: are talking in third person on purpose? |
| 06:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | shamus, ah, well, download pycage's FM Radio application. |
| 06:22.50 | shamus | oops sorry abotu talkign in 3rd persion |
| 06:23.03 | ljp | the menu scrolls |
| 06:23.17 | shamus | was rp ing in another room |
| 06:23.32 | shamus | and frogot to switch tence |
| 06:25.31 | crashanddie | they accept badly spelt English? |
| 06:26.38 | shamus | yah well when you play sl for to long you pick up on typonease |
| 06:27.21 | ds3 | hmmm not much in the way of cases I see |
| 06:27.52 | shamus | my typing is almost as bad as my handwrighting |
| 06:28.05 | crashanddie | shamus: take your time to write, you have a full keyboard. Make an effort, it's a sign of respect towards those you converse with |
| 06:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | SpeedEvil, not eavilly err, easily... it's not very elastic, but having 4 carbon bonds/atom makes it extremely tough at least you can press them in many softer things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardness_test#Microindentation_tests - I'm actually curious how such an object, i.e. case would really behave :) |
| 06:29.21 | shamus | funny thing is my typing is better on the tuch screen. as yah have to slow down and type letter by letter |
| 06:31.41 | crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat: thoughness isn't the issue. I'd rather go with a titanium case than diamond, to be honest |
| 06:31.45 | shamus | needs to slow down somtimes and read what is writen befor hitign enter |
| 06:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | crashanddie, maybe... admittedly a micrometer thick diamond-coating on the teeth would be more useful :) |
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| 06:33.14 | crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat: you have some weird fetishes |
| 06:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | "no more holes" is a fetish? |
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| 06:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, some day growing them artificially will become really cheap - after all it's just carbon |
| 06:36.19 | Proteous | it's a fetish when superglue is involved |
| 06:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | memo to self: never google that |
| 06:37.12 | Proteous | lol |
| 06:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, only the other day... |
| 06:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'll mercifully shut up about it |
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| 07:38.51 | kaie|cebit | hello. I'm going to cebit and to use my n810 for demoing. What's a quick way to reset my device to factory defaults? |
| 07:39.43 | shamus | reflash it? |
| 07:41.18 | kaie|cebit | thought I could do without lowlevel stuff. but I guess I can simply clear all my personal data in the browser |
| 07:42.05 | shamus | ohh you simply want to clear your history? |
| 07:42.54 | shamus | a reflash is not that hard and is a sure fire way to get back to square 1 |
| 07:43.03 | shamus | altho yah better have a backup |
| 07:43.24 | shamus | and rember allways aplay one of the stock theams |
| 07:43.31 | kaie|cebit | yes, made a backup. don't want to reflash. I tought there might be a hidden code like there is *7370# for nokia phones |
| 07:43.34 | shamus | befor backign up |
| 07:44.10 | kaie|cebit | thanks for your advice. I didn't tweak themes. I'll demo fennec |
| 07:44.53 | shamus | but yah there is not reset to stock bution that i know of |
| 07:45.17 | shamus | the reset to stock is hooking up usb and reinstaligj the os |
| 07:45.31 | shamus | it purges all your apps ect |
| 07:45.41 | kaie|cebit | ok thanks! |
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| 08:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: sorry, you've been right with integrated FM-RX/BT |
| 08:22.03 | cehteh | :P |
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| 08:32.54 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 08:33.21 | Khertan | apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain < why ????? (HAM Log) |
| 08:33.29 | Khertan | why i got this error |
| 08:37.25 | Stskeeps | what are you trying to do? :P |
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| 08:40.50 | Khertan | to update a packages which is available in extras |
| 08:41.02 | Khertan | with my own repository |
| 08:41.40 | Khertan | with the more recent one available in my own repository |
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| 08:43.01 | cehteh | maybe your QA failed |
| 08:43.05 | cehteh | runs |
| 08:43.24 | Khertan | QA ? |
| 08:45.15 | cehteh | .. |
| 08:49.27 | Khertan | so two solution if understand modify a fucking file to force my repo to be the master one ... |
| 08:49.49 | Khertan | or ask for trmove of my all package in all maemo repository |
| 08:50.21 | Stskeeps | latter one won't help |
| 08:50.29 | Stskeeps | cos then your users who has your app still won't be able to update :P |
| 08:50.37 | Khertan | hum ... yep true |
| 08:51.33 | Stskeeps | i don't see what your gripe with QA is - if you constantly need bugfixes or updates, there is probably a good reason to run through QA to help you find more and then the final result in Extras will be good |
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| 08:51.45 | n00bmonk3y | feels a bit tender..... |
| 08:53.14 | Stskeeps | hheh |
| 08:54.28 | n00bmonk3y | grrrr pulse-audio smells :( |
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| 08:57.54 | n00bmonk3y | anyone know why adding pulseaudio-utils as a dependency doesnt work? - autobuilder thinks it is fine... But doesnt install it.... :( |
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| 09:03.28 | ptl | what does the word 'maemo' mean? And 'meego'? |
| 09:05.33 | n00bmonk3y | i like the indonesian example said in the forums |
| 09:05.42 | n00bmonk3y | sounds a bit like mi goreng - fried noodles |
| 09:05.47 | n00bmonk3y | i'm sticking by that 1 :D |
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| 09:09.55 | Khertan | Thx stskeeps but my decision is clear ... |
| 09:10.33 | Khertan | bye ... today the work is to refince electrical board in my house :) |
| 09:10.44 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 09:10.46 | n00bmonk3y | sounds fun! |
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| 09:27.10 | n00bmonk3y | so no-one else awake who has had pulse-audio issues? :( |
| 09:27.22 | n00bmonk3y | (Specifically as dependency) |
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| 10:03.56 | FIQ | xterm seems to abort whatever you answer |
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| 10:06.06 | FIQ | or am I doing something wrong? |
| 10:06.09 | FIQ | http://pastebin.com/BseFrc79 |
| 10:07.05 | n00bmonk3y | that is random |
| 10:07.26 | FIQ | hm? |
| 10:07.31 | n00bmonk3y | is it running out of disk space, or saving it to an invalid place? |
| 10:08.02 | n00bmonk3y | hmm have you tried a capital Y? |
| 10:08.08 | n00bmonk3y | it does seem to be asking for one |
| 10:08.11 | n00bmonk3y | which is also random |
| 10:08.25 | FIQ | i've do it before, think i failed then |
| 10:08.29 | FIQ | can try again |
| 10:08.51 | FIQ | nope, failed again |
| 10:09.06 | n00bmonk3y | :| |
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| 10:09.52 | n00bmonk3y | being in home/user isnt going to affect it? - or possibly permissions issues... but sorry really not sure |
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| 10:11.45 | FIQ | the space isn't a problem, df -h says i've 1.6G free for applications (and 45M free on root if the package wouldn't be optified, but J'm sure it is) |
| 10:12.18 | FIQ | hm, guess i'll have to do it through package manager, even if doing it in xterm is easier |
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| 10:14.19 | n00bmonk3y | sounds very odd :( |
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| 10:16.10 | FIQ | would filing a bug report help, or is it just me that seems to have this problem? |
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| 10:18.34 | dregin | Won't know until you try :) |
| 10:19.10 | dregin | tries to re-produce |
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| 10:19.52 | dregin | do ya not have to be in a root shell to install packages using apt-get?? |
| 10:20.00 | FIQ | yes |
| 10:20.03 | dregin | I thought apt-get usually complained straight away otherwise |
| 10:20.12 | FIQ | it does |
| 10:20.16 | dregin | /home/user # apt-get install koffice |
| 10:20.18 | FIQ | but i enabled root |
| 10:20.25 | dregin | ok |
| 10:21.28 | dregin | how did you enable root? |
| 10:21.34 | dregin | add user to a specific group? |
| 10:21.37 | n00bmonk3y | suo gainroot ? :D |
| 10:21.39 | n00bmonk3y | sudo |
| 10:21.43 | n00bmonk3y | omfg i can't type |
| 10:22.28 | FIQ | sudo gainroot is correct |
| 10:22.35 | dregin | k |
| 10:22.46 | dregin | it's not aborting for me when I use a lower-case y |
| 10:22.53 | FIQ | (but you obv need to have rootsh installed too) |
| 10:22.59 | FIQ | hm |
| 10:23.08 | FIQ | odd |
| 10:24.12 | n00bmonk3y | yup odd :( |
| 10:24.22 | dregin | try it with -y to see if intstalls then? |
| 10:28.05 | FIQ | that worked. o_o |
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| 10:28.32 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
| 10:29.48 | dregin | YEOW |
| 10:29.50 | dregin | still though |
| 10:29.57 | dregin | seems like an issue... |
| 10:30.08 | dregin | anything at /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 10:30.33 | FIQ | i can check when the install is done |
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| 10:30.54 | dregin | k |
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| 10:32.22 | dregin | is it possible to have my last few emails displayed on the desktop on the N900? |
| 10:32.23 | FIQ | cat: can't open '/var/log/dpkg.log': No such file or directory |
| 10:32.27 | dregin | ah k |
| 10:32.29 | dregin | same here |
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| 10:32.41 | dregin | thought it may hahve given you something in the circumstances |
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| 11:00.05 | pupnik_ | N900 van |
| 11:00.22 | pupnik_ | N900 can't handle vimeo video :( |
| 11:01.21 | pupnik_ | thank goodnes i can copy the .flv out of temp dir now for later gapless playback in mplayer |
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| 11:09.58 | n00bmonk3y | blinks |
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| 11:11.36 | arachnist | pupnik_: that just proves that flash sucks for not using native system libraries for video decoding |
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| 11:14.37 | Trizt | I have played flv files with the native player, the only problem is that it don't list those files, you need to access the file from the file browser and it will use the default media player to play it |
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| 11:17.01 | hrw|n900 | hi |
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| 11:17.36 | FIQ | hi |
| 11:17.55 | FIQ | *523 other says "hi"* |
| 11:18.04 | Venomrush | hi |
| 11:18.35 | hrw|n900 | :) |
| 11:18.47 | Corsac | hi |
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| 11:19.33 | n00bmonk3y | meh meh meh |
| 11:20.33 | n00bmonk3y | grumbles |
| 11:21.23 | wnd | FIQ, you (probably) could have just pressed enter. capital letter (in this case "y") are only used to indicate default answer. |
| 11:21.41 | wnd | of course that doesn't explain why "y" aborted in the first place |
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| 11:21.58 | FIQ | ok |
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| 11:38.41 | pupnik_ | sure does suck arachnist |
| 11:38.54 | pupnik_ | so why does everybody use POS flash? |
| 11:39.35 | tybollt | pupnik_: cause we're lemmings |
| 11:39.44 | pupnik_ | why do all the media heavy sites use it instead of giving us some reasonably standard encoded video not requiring a browser vm? |
| 11:40.05 | tybollt | Some guy in Espoo says "yxi kaxi kolme" and then we go buy his mobiles en masse |
| 11:41.26 | hrw|n900 | pupnik_: cause they would not have users to display ads for? |
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| 11:41.44 | SpeedEvil | It's like ebay. |
| 11:41.56 | SpeedEvil | It sucks in many ways - but for much, it's the only functional auction. |
| 11:42.08 | hrw|n900 | pupnik_: and browser is the most common platform now. each system has it |
| 11:43.23 | user_ | i got a problem |
| 11:43.25 | hrw|n900 | pupnik_: imagine YT which require you to fetch/install app for using. will it work under xyz os? |
| 11:43.31 | pupnik_ | doesnt each system have .mpg playback? |
| 11:43.55 | pupnik_ | mpeg2 ? |
| 11:44.00 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: it's not only mpeg |
| 11:44.18 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: video delivery is not only what flash does |
| 11:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: HDR on N900? Any ideas? |
| 11:45.36 | pupnik_ | oh they need ads? |
| 11:45.53 | pupnik_ | where are they? i dont see ads here |
| 11:48.02 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: not really looked. |
| 11:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | just heard HDR somewhere, and remembered your auto-shooter |
| 11:48.36 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: there were a couple of threads on the forums IIRC, I didn't pay much attention. I do wish the datashet for the cam was available. |
| 11:49.03 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: oh - not done anything about that - I was at the bottom of the dynamic range :) |
| 11:49.18 | hrw|n900 | food time... |
| 11:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yep. but basically as soon as you can control the cam (exposure time, apperture, etc) via script, I guess you could throw together a first raw POC easily. Then probably need some move-around to compensate the missing tripod |
| 11:51.33 | dregin | anyone using the tear browser? |
| 11:51.41 | SpeedEvil | there is no apature, it's just rolling shutter and gain |
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| 11:58.37 | tarlan | hello agi |
| 11:59.45 | tarlan | ali hell |
| 12:00.05 | tarlan | ali hello |
| 12:00.39 | tarlan | Arif salam |
| 12:01.01 | dregin | Good to see ya out |
| 12:01.03 | dregin | :P |
| 12:01.46 | tarlan | dregin hello |
| 12:01.56 | pupnik_ | i think ari has the coolest rolling shutter pic i have ever seen |
| 12:02.23 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
| 12:02.40 | tarlan | ay am 20 |
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| 12:03.03 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: yes. That ranks along with 'the coolest looking outhouse' |
| 12:03.41 | pupnik_ | airplane propeller |
| 12:03.52 | tarlan | yes speedvil |
| 12:05.43 | tarlan | aep hello |
| 12:06.15 | tarlan | how old are you |
| 12:07.16 | n00bmonk3y | New Healthcheck version in extras devel - with shiny new icon thanks to kopt3 |
| 12:07.33 | pupnik_ | what is healthcheck? |
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| 12:07.48 | n00bmonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 |
| 12:08.24 | tarlan | hello Doclhome |
| 12:09.39 | tarlan | how old are you ? |
| 12:09.49 | n00bmonk3y | ho old is who? |
| 12:10.13 | tarlan | ay am 20 |
| 12:10.38 | tarlan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:18.43 | Milo- | is there a tool in maemo5 for checking available dbus methods/objects? |
| 12:19.18 | n00bmonk3y | ooo yes ish |
| 12:19.23 | n00bmonk3y | downloaded one from extras devel |
| 12:19.37 | n00bmonk3y | not tried it yet - but there is one there |
| 12:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | Milo-: mdbus2 |
| 12:20.06 | Milo- | DocScrutinizer is that in devel? |
| 12:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:20.16 | Milo- | ok |
| 12:20.19 | n00bmonk3y | or qdbusviewer - the one i had i think |
| 12:20.21 | Milo- | better enable devel for while |
| 12:20.36 | n00bmonk3y | (Just loaded it, seems ok, simple though :) ) |
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| 12:21.05 | Milo- | since nokia doesn't like to documentate their dbus features, you will have to guess :P |
| 12:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | yes :-/ |
| 12:22.15 | n00bmonk3y | any particular one you want? :D |
| 12:22.29 | Milo- | yes, /com/nokia/csd/call |
| 12:22.42 | Robot101 | Milo-: you can make calls through telepathy |
| 12:22.51 | Milo- | no I don't want to make cal |
| 12:22.53 | Milo- | calls* |
| 12:23.00 | Milo- | I want to catch those events |
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| 12:24.05 | n00bmonk3y | hmmm |
| 12:24.13 | n00bmonk3y | quite alot on it, but more how to make a call |
| 12:24.15 | n00bmonk3y | how to hangup etc |
| 12:24.38 | Milo- | yes, I want to be able to autoaccept calls from certain people |
| 12:24.43 | Milo- | or autoignore them :) |
| 12:25.03 | n00bmonk3y | http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/22/how-to-block-unwanted-callers-on-the-n900/ ? |
| 12:25.09 | Milo- | I know |
| 12:25.16 | Milo- | that's not exactly what I want |
| 12:25.24 | Milo- | I don't want some hidden daemon somewhere written in python |
| 12:25.27 | n00bmonk3y | oh you awnt the opposit |
| 12:25.29 | n00bmonk3y | e |
| 12:25.43 | Milo- | making my own version using Qt and dbus |
| 12:25.52 | Milo- | so user can actually configure it without touching source code |
| 12:25.56 | Milo- | to make it look a bit more safe |
| 12:27.10 | Milo- | want to try to make a qt desktop widget |
| 12:27.13 | Milo- | heard those are now possible |
| 12:27.24 | n00bmonk3y | sorry dont have a clue :( |
| 12:27.46 | Milo- | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/02/24/qt-for-maemo-5-home-screen-widgets/ |
| 12:29.20 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: naah. command-line-widget, and zenity. Problem solved. :) |
| 12:29.52 | Milo- | :) |
| 12:30.11 | tarlan | milo hello |
| 12:30.17 | Milo- | tarlan hello |
| 12:31.07 | tarlan | how old are you? |
| 12:31.26 | Milo- | like 22 |
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| 12:32.08 | tarlan | like 29 |
| 12:32.46 | tarlan | where are you from ? :) |
| 12:32.52 | hrw|n900 | mdbus2 is also in testing |
| 12:33.10 | hrw|n900 | vote for it to be promoted to extras |
| 12:33.13 | hrw|n900 | food... |
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| 12:33.24 | tarlan | go on milo |
| 12:34.04 | Milo- | hrw|n900 I'll test it first |
| 12:34.10 | Milo- | tarlan finland |
| 12:34.55 | tarlan | ay live in Baku ;) |
| 12:35.13 | n00bmonk3y | goes to play with mbus |
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| 12:35.48 | tarlan | ay live in Azerbaijan 8-) |
| 12:35.53 | n00bmonk3y | ay? |
| 12:36.29 | n00bmonk3y | can't find mbus2? |
| 12:36.36 | n00bmonk3y | mdbus2 even |
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| 12:37.06 | n00bmonk3y | ooo another one called d-feet in there too |
| 12:37.12 | tarlan | glad tomeet you |
| 12:37.26 | Robot101 | Milo-: you can observe calls via telepathy, and then answer them or hang them up |
| 12:37.29 | tarlan | milo go on |
| 12:38.14 | tarlan | milo ..... |
| 12:38.21 | Milo- | huh? |
| 12:38.32 | n00bmonk3y | ? |
| 12:38.40 | n00bmonk3y | tarlon = fruit loop ;) |
| 12:38.42 | Robot101 | Milo-: there's a Telepathy-Qt4 binding |
| 12:38.47 | n00bmonk3y | omg i can't type today |
| 12:39.17 | Milo- | Robot101 I might have to look into that :> |
| 12:39.41 | tarlan | milo my is Tarlan 8-) |
| 12:40.04 | Milo- | tarlan are you asking something? |
| 12:40.07 | Robot101 | Milo-: what you want to do is implement an observer for streamed media channels (what telepathy calls all calls) |
| 12:40.16 | tarlan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.38 | Milo- | Robot101 ah, then it is most likely exactly what I am looking for :) |
| 12:40.45 | pupnik_ | yet another video download that media player chokes on... |
| 12:40.48 | tarlan | milo yes |
| 12:40.54 | Robot101 | Milo-: then you can poke them to answer it or hang it up or whatever |
| 12:41.20 | n00bmonk3y | tarlan - we can not understand what you are on about? you need to speak clearly |
| 12:41.22 | tarlan | milo ay love you |
| 12:41.29 | pupnik_ | from Vimeo. and mplayer can only play it back when bypassing pulseaudio VIDEO: [VP6F] 640x480 0bpp 23.976 fps 539.9 kbps (65.9 kbyte/s) |
| 12:41.29 | n00bmonk3y | laughs |
| 12:41.30 | Milo- | already |
| 12:41.41 | Milo- | I know I am a lovable person, put that is pretty sudden |
| 12:41.50 | crashanddie | tarlan: that's enough |
| 12:41.57 | n00bmonk3y | wants Milo's babies.... i feel a fight coming on lol ;) |
| 12:42.05 | Milo- | n00bmonk3y aww :> |
| 12:42.14 | Arif_ | blinks |
| 12:42.21 | pupnik_ | please take it to a junior high school channel |
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| 12:42.25 | n00bmonk3y | haha |
| 12:42.36 | Arif_ | whos taking whos babies |
| 12:42.39 | Milo- | noone wants to make babies with milo :( |
| 12:42.40 | crashanddie | tarlan: /join #defocus |
| 12:43.09 | Arif_ | Milo-, not if you're looking on IRC :P |
| 12:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: ++ |
| 12:43.52 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 12:43.55 | tarlan | crashanddie thats enough |
| 12:44.06 | pupnik_ | so i can get about 15 seconds of quiet audio playback with pasuspender -- mplayer -fs -nocache -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -vo xv:ck-method=auto -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref -quiet |
| 12:44.13 | n00bmonk3y | lol tarlan telling off crashanddie? random! |
| 12:44.37 | Milo- | Arif_ :P |
| 12:44.42 | pupnik_ | then for some reason audio cuts out |
| 12:44.45 | tarlan | milo ay love you |
| 12:44.51 | Milo- | feel free |
| 12:44.59 | pupnik_ | +o crashanddie |
| 12:45.04 | Arif_ | pupnik_, maybe it got confused from the 5 mile command you gave it :P |
| 12:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | apreciates his ignore list |
| 12:45.33 | Arif_ | adds *!*@* to DocScrutinizer's ignore list |
| 12:45.55 | dregin | DocScrutinizer: lol? |
| 12:46.07 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 12:46.16 | Arif_ | IRC looks so weird when you ahve people on ignore |
| 12:46.17 | Arif_ | :D |
| 12:46.22 | n00bmonk3y | does it? |
| 12:46.26 | dregin | yeah, it gets annoying |
| 12:46.26 | Arif_ | yes |
| 12:46.26 | tarlan | Arif where are you from ? |
| 12:46.34 | dregin | n00bmonk3y: people look like they're talking to themselves :P |
| 12:46.39 | n00bmonk3y | ooo Arif, i think Tarlan wants you now ;) |
| 12:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | not if you take care to get enough of those on it |
| 12:46.45 | dregin | ASL? |
| 12:46.50 | n00bmonk3y | gd point dregin |
| 12:46.53 | Arif_ | I'm not sure |
| 12:46.54 | Arif_ | :O |
| 12:47.05 | n00bmonk3y | omg havnt heard the words asl since i was about 12 |
| 12:47.10 | Arif_ | But I just ordered Head-Direct RE0s |
| 12:47.18 | Arif_ | :D |
| 12:47.19 | crashanddie | n00bmonk3y: and you're 13 now? |
| 12:47.32 | n00bmonk3y | sets out the handbags at ten paces...... |
| 12:47.33 | tarlan | milo |
| 12:47.33 | tarlan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.38 | Milo- | kewl, mdbus2 segfaulted when my phone rang.. |
| 12:47.38 | n00bmonk3y | ;) |
| 12:47.42 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 12:47.43 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 12:47.49 | *** mode/#maemo [+q tarlan!*@*] by crashanddie |
| 12:47.52 | n00bmonk3y | awwww |
| 12:47.56 | Milo- | :P |
| 12:47.57 | n00bmonk3y | the entertainment :( |
| 12:47.58 | Arif_ | is PR1.2 out already? |
| 12:47.59 | Arif_ | :P |
| 12:48.15 | crashanddie | tarlan: please stop disrupting the channel, send me a PM whenever you're ready to make sense |
| 12:48.17 | n00bmonk3y | Arif_ - i think certain people are testing releases of it |
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| 12:48.20 | pupnik_ | ok the alternative to get audible sound on this borderline VP6F video is to drop the pasuspender and enable hard-framedropping |
| 12:48.36 | Arif_ | n00bmonk3y, like who ? :D |
| 12:48.59 | n00bmonk3y | meh read spmeones blog saying he was testing it last night |
| 12:49.04 | n00bmonk3y | someones* |
| 12:49.16 | Arif_ | I want my search fixed, damnit! |
| 12:49.20 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 12:49.32 | Arif_ | it's not fun scrolling through 3000 songs to find something you want |
| 12:49.32 | Arif_ | ! |
| 12:49.43 | n00bmonk3y | yeah tis a pain and i only have 110 |
| 12:50.03 | Arif_ | apparently its fixed....but there's no new FW |
| 12:50.05 | Arif_ | :p |
| 12:50.16 | Arif_ | they should just release all the packages serperately... |
| 12:50.20 | n00bmonk3y | ahhhh we must wait like good little customers |
| 12:50.26 | crashanddie | Arif_: I heard that if you put on random |
| 12:50.40 | Arif_ | and then? |
| 12:50.47 | Arif_ | it plays randomly? :P |
| 12:50.47 | crashanddie | Arif_: and then think of the song you want, the 4th skip will be the right one |
| 12:50.54 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 12:51.02 | Arif_ | now you say that |
| 12:51.06 | Arif_ | I sometimes have that :D |
| 12:51.13 | Arif_ | whenever I think of a song it shows up when I press next |
| 12:51.14 | Arif_ | =P |
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| 12:54.08 | Milo- | Robot101 is there a package for telepathy-qt4 bindings? |
| 12:54.12 | Milo- | or is it installed by default? |
| 12:54.28 | Robot101 | not sure off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure they should be in maemo extras or something |
| 12:54.38 | RST38h | http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2010/03/04/google-kills-bambi/ |
| 12:54.43 | Milo- | meh, again in devel maye |
| 12:54.44 | Milo- | maybe* |
| 12:55.54 | crashanddie | ffs, this internet connection is crap |
| 12:56.06 | crashanddie | 20 seconds to buffer one second worth of video |
| 12:56.12 | crashanddie | and it's not even HD |
| 12:56.33 | Arif_ | 56k \o/ |
| 12:57.01 | Milo- | Robot101 not in devel either |
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| 12:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | who killed bambi? |
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| 12:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUM7jl8S5AU |
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| 12:58.50 | n00bmonk3y | hmmmmm just need to figure out the evil py2deb and bugtracker.... and the the pulseaudio-utils and my app is ready.... :( |
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| 13:04.42 | pupnik_ | is there a way to launch media player from command-line and pass it options or get feedback? |
| 13:05.05 | pupnik_ | right now i am seeing * * * * * ... |
| 13:05.29 | pupnik_ | when launching from file browser |
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| 13:09.28 | gringo | hello |
| 13:11.13 | gringo | :-) |
| 13:16.20 | n00bmonk3y | lo |
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| 13:19.42 | pupnik_ | and there appears no way for mplayer to scan this .flv container and just extract the audio. -vo null still yields overruns cause it is decoding all the video frames |
| 13:19.55 | pupnik_ | underruns |
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| 13:23.58 | cehteh | http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet << what happend to M$? .. sleek design |
| 13:24.36 | RST38h | cehteh: They let Zune people design it |
| 13:24.47 | cehteh | nah exactly opposite |
| 13:25.01 | cehteh | i admit that thing doesnt look bad |
| 13:25.12 | RST38h | Wait, the thing does look bulky |
| 13:25.16 | cehteh | now if it wont be M$ and it would run linux i'd like it even more |
| 13:25.27 | RST38h | Not ugly, this will come later as you get to see and touch faux metal |
| 13:25.35 | cehteh | well lets wait for more technical data about it |
| 13:25.45 | RST38h | has seen Nokia's netbook in a store yesterday |
| 13:26.08 | cehteh | probably .. i wont buy it anyways .. but it looks quite much better than 90% of all other M$ products which makes me wonder |
| 13:26.09 | RST38h | Pretty ugly, but seems to be made of metal which saves it |
| 13:26.31 | cehteh | maybe they outsourced the design :P |
| 13:27.02 | Gadgetoid | cehteh, those are renders.... |
| 13:27.34 | cehteh | yes and? .. the real device will prolly look close to it |
| 13:27.38 | Gadgetoid | The courier is vapourware bullshit that Microsoft are using to try and dent iPad sales whilst they struggle to come up with something real |
| 13:27.41 | cehteh | first n900 pics where also renders |
| 13:27.47 | Gadgetoid | Which will look and behave absolutely nothing like the courier |
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| 13:28.16 | cehteh | hey .. i dont adore M$ .. just the design surprised me thats all |
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| 13:28.30 | Gadgetoid | Yes, it's as bold, rediculous and unlikely as any concept car |
| 13:28.55 | crashanddie | somehow, I think someone should check their website to see if it works before going live |
| 13:28.56 | RST38h | Oh well |
| 13:28.58 | pupnik_ | there is an mplayer with dsp accel from the beagleboard era |
| 13:29.05 | Gadgetoid | But, hey, at least Microsoft are finally eating their own words and admitting that Windows on a tablet is futile |
| 13:29.10 | RST38h | cehteh: Not much interesting in the design, although it does look clean. In a rendering. |
| 13:29.11 | Termana | The video made it look good anyway |
| 13:29.12 | crashanddie | Random Quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson: "[an error occurred while processing this directive]" |
| 13:29.14 | Corsac | funny, hostname is still Nokia-N900-42-11 |
| 13:29.27 | Corsac | will something break if I change the hostname? |
| 13:29.52 | RST38h | Oh, WashPost finally notices it |
| 13:29.56 | RST38h | How cute |
| 13:30.18 | Termana | The software interface part that is |
| 13:30.29 | RST38h | That is a demo. Disregard. |
| 13:30.42 | RST38h | The final device will have Win7 desktop. Or two. :) |
| 13:30.55 | Gadgetoid | RST38h, hahaha, face, meet palm |
| 13:30.57 | cehteh | hehe |
| 13:31.27 | Gadgetoid | Microsoft have a track record of sheer crap in the mobile device arena, and even the Xbox 360 and Xbox are horrible |
| 13:31.40 | Gadgetoid | That said if you don't look at the Xbox 360, it's a good games console |
| 13:32.00 | Gadgetoid | Microsoft rock at Mice/Keyboards though |
| 13:32.11 | RST38h | + they make pregnant keyboard that make my brain boil |
| 13:32.25 | RST38h | absolutely hates having to type on these |
| 13:32.26 | Gadgetoid | Haha, you mean those ergonomic ones? |
| 13:32.35 | Gadgetoid | I hate the bumpy boomerang ergonomic ones |
| 13:32.39 | mikhas | they are great |
| 13:32.44 | cehteh | i already regret starting this talk .. i only wanted to point out that they stopped to make barbie like toy design for that device, not argueing about OS and usability, freedon, usefulness or whatever |
| 13:32.45 | RST38h | yea, these are the pregnant ones |
| 13:32.49 | Gadgetoid | But I have a bluetooth keyboard from them which has the same angle and split, without the bump, it isn't bad |
| 13:32.56 | mikhas | never had any wrist pain with those |
| 13:33.03 | RST38h | cehteh: Teaches you well =) |
| 13:33.24 | Gadgetoid | cehteh, agreed, which makes me think even more that it's vapour |
| 13:33.42 | RST38h | cehteh: At least you have not raised the question of iPad design being cool, imagine the backlash... |
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| 13:33.47 | cehteh | no i dont even want to discuss if its vapor or not :) |
| 13:34.05 | Gadgetoid | Did they actually design the iPad, or put the components together and say "done!" |
| 13:34.38 | cehteh | i'd like the M$ foldable more than the ipad i think .. until some sand coins or something else gets between the displays prolly |
| 13:34.54 | RST38h | cehteh: weight. |
| 13:34.55 | cehteh | Gadgetoid: they just scaled the iphone up :) |
| 13:35.05 | RST38h | Yea, they blew up the iphone |
| 13:35.10 | Gadgetoid | cehteh, and hybridized it with the iMac styling |
| 13:35.14 | RST38h | did not even change the ui |
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| 13:35.51 | Gadgetoid | Technically they did change the UI |
| 13:35.51 | Termana | RST38h: Whats that you say, your going to blow up an iPhone? MAKE SURE YOU FILM IT. :P |
| 13:35.52 | Termana | *cleans out his ears* |
| 13:35.55 | Gadgetoid | I will be grabbing an iPad as soon as I can, only way I'll get to review cases/accessories for it |
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| 13:36.07 | Corsac | hmhm |
| 13:36.17 | Corsac | are repositories down? |
| 13:36.21 | Corsac | 0% [1 python2.5-sip4 15579/85,3kB 18%] 721B/s 47min5s |
| 13:36.54 | cehteh | wake me when they are up :P |
| 13:37.42 | Termana | Gadgetoid: Sounds more like you have an iPad lust and are justifing your polygamy but saying your need to review cases and accessories. |
| 13:37.49 | Termana | by saying* |
| 13:37.53 | Termana | you need* |
| 13:37.56 | Termana | damn it |
| 13:38.40 | Hoxzer | btw |
| 13:38.48 | Gadgetoid | Termana, I don't deny having iPad lust, and am certain I'll buy one, I'm just justifying the early adoption |
| 13:38.56 | Gadgetoid | which I am almost certain I'll be burned for |
| 13:39.22 | cehteh | i am certain that i dont want one |
| 13:39.40 | rzr | ipad doesnt need us :) |
| 13:40.10 | Gadgetoid | I just hope the makers of Settlers add a free play mode and a full resolution port for the iPad |
| 13:40.15 | cehteh | color e-ink is on the horizon ... in a few years you get sunlight readable, foldable. color displays |
| 13:40.59 | Gadgetoid | cehteh e-paper from Caprica (the series) ftw |
| 13:41.00 | _strcpy | anybody else have problem with "desktop command exec widget" too? hildon hangs and crash after loading it... |
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| 13:42.34 | Gadgetoid | cehteh, http://www.littlespringsdesign.com/images/blogimages/caprica-paper/caprica-qt.jpg obligatory crappy picture |
| 13:43.31 | cehteh | doesnt look very usable |
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| 13:43.58 | pupnik_ | _strcpy: havent figured out how to work it - it shows "error" here |
| 13:44.05 | cehteh | take a newspaper and try to press things on it |
| 13:44.21 | RST38h | tried that long time ago |
| 13:44.45 | Gadgetoid | newspaper is pretty poor quality paper |
| 13:45.16 | _strcpy | pupnik_, I don`t get any error. first I managed to config it but later as soon as I add it to desktop , hildon dies |
| 13:46.12 | pupnik_ | i added commands i needed to ~/.profile shortcuts and launch from terminal |
| 13:46.32 | _strcpy | me looking for a trick to get my external IP |
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| 13:50.15 | lbt | _strcpy: http://www.whatismyip.com/ |
| 13:50.45 | _strcpy | lbt, there are lot`s of ways to get it manually , but no quick widget :) |
| 13:51.29 | lbt | well you asked for an 'external' IP |
| 13:51.32 | _strcpy | a mix of wget & grep do the work too , but only if "exec" widget don`t piss of hildon :p |
| 13:52.39 | lbt | I'd start with the homeip widget if I were you |
| 13:52.44 | lbt | it's trivial to edit |
| 13:52.51 | lbt | python |
| 13:52.56 | _strcpy | not work here :/ |
| 13:53.07 | crashanddie | why do you use ` instead of '? |
| 13:53.08 | lbt | what? homeip? |
| 13:53.30 | _strcpy | yea home-ip and few other widgets are NOT added when I add them to desktop. have no idea why |
| 13:53.56 | _strcpy | on latest update/upgraded n900 , just to note |
| 13:54.47 | _strcpy | does it require any modification before first use? |
| 13:54.55 | lbt | worksforme |
| 13:55.29 | _strcpy | over latest firmware/update? |
| 13:55.44 | lbt | yes |
| 13:55.56 | _strcpy | let me remove/re-install it. maybe works.. |
| 13:56.20 | _strcpy | is "desktop command exec" working for you too? |
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| 13:56.38 | lbt | not tried |
| 13:56.48 | _strcpy | can you please give it a try ? |
| 13:56.54 | _strcpy | just install and add it. |
| 13:56.59 | lbt | point me to a wiki page :) |
| 13:58.19 | crashanddie | "Hey, let's execute commands that some guy on IRC tells me to" |
| 13:58.32 | lbt | does that all the time |
| 13:58.40 | lbt | what could possibly go wrong? |
| 13:58.43 | Termana | lol |
| 13:58.58 | mikhas | "I've seen it work in a comic once"? =p |
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| 13:59.05 | lbt | heh :) |
| 13:59.07 | lbt | indeed |
| 13:59.22 | lbt | "Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once..." |
| 13:59.42 | crashanddie | you know how in police shows the geeks always uberkill everything? |
| 13:59.46 | mikhas | you are of course allowed to correct my meta-citation |
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| 14:00.06 | lbt | (I had to check) |
| 14:00.52 | crashanddie | I'd love for once, just once, having the though cop call the geek, and ask "JD [or whatever stupid nickname] there seems to be a two hundred forty eight bits with dual polarity applied to this laptop, can you do anything with it?" |
| 14:01.13 | crashanddie | and the geek go "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" |
| 14:01.34 | crashanddie | I mean, just once |
| 14:02.07 | crashanddie | they can slip "I'll go write a visual basic app and see if I can get an IP address" into the dialogue, surely we, using limited amounts of social engineering can get something like that in NCIS, right? |
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| 14:03.57 | pupnik_ | stop watching idiot tv :) |
| 14:04.07 | pupnik_ | i am going through these economics lectures http://www.fff.org/classroom/libertylecture.html |
| 14:04.30 | pupnik_ | but have to use -vo null |
| 14:06.14 | Gadgetoid | crashanddie, try being a forensic anthropologist and watching bones |
| 14:07.13 | crashanddie | Gadgetoid: oh yeah, I'm sure you must be splitting one when they get the size of the bullet from a fractured skull |
| 14:07.42 | SpeedEvil | bullet from fractured skull isn't _complete_ bullshit. |
| 14:07.54 | crashanddie | Gadgetoid: but then again, Bones' plot is vaguely interesting |
| 14:07.54 | Gadgetoid | Actually I just masturbate every time they use the magical 3d visualizer |
| 14:08.38 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: yeah. Producer: 'I want a holodeck'. Science advisor: <head explodes> |
| 14:08.53 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: maybe not, but any good lawyer could throw that out of a courtroom. |
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| 14:09.14 | Gadgetoid | I like that the show does that, they don't even pretend that anything is based on any real science, they just lark about |
| 14:09.18 | Gadgetoid | And blow shit up! |
| 14:09.35 | crashanddie | mythbusters? |
| 14:09.37 | Termana | And blowing shit up makes up for it all! |
| 14:09.43 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: yes. At least on star-trek - there is - pretty much unashamed admission it's technowank. |
| 14:10.03 | SpeedEvil | And only the hardcorest of fanboys actually care about the (inconsistent) science. |
| 14:10.13 | crashanddie | "So you collected a skull that has been sitting in a pond for two years, re-assembled the pieces, and are able to tell me that it was a 9 mil pistol that was used for the murder? And that links you to my client?" |
| 14:10.22 | Gadgetoid | Better than "six weeks later: we have got the results in, apparently we now have inconclusive evidence that there might possibly may have been trace amounts of unobtainium on his shirt" |
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| 14:11.04 | SpeedEvil | In some ways - well done fantasy shows - say Buffy - can be more self-consistent than CSI. |
| 14:11.05 | crashanddie | Gadgetoid: please don't rip off xkcd :P |
| 14:11.54 | Gadgetoid | Busted! |
| 14:12.11 | SpeedEvil | That's what you go to school for? |
| 14:12.12 | crashanddie | well, after season 3, lesbian-library chick, uber-library-chief-turned-hardcore-magician and spike were the only things that kept me watching it |
| 14:12.14 | RST38h | yawns and suggests watching stuff completely unrelated to reality. Like DrWho. |
| 14:12.43 | crashanddie | oh, and the quote in Buffy: "I've googled till I couldn't google no more" (which in my book, is the first reference to Google as a verb) |
| 14:12.44 | Gadgetoid | Pfff, Buffy's sister ftw! |
| 14:12.49 | RST38h | crashanddie: Just switch to Xena and do away with the librarian and spike |
| 14:13.10 | FIQ | is there any news on the psx emu? |
| 14:13.17 | Gadgetoid | I accidentally googles? |
| 14:13.31 | crashanddie | nha, xena was too difficult to watch, I kept imagining cross-overs with ER after the chick went intern |
| 14:13.43 | crashanddie | the sidekick chick, that is |
| 14:13.53 | pupnik_ | fiq just a december update for iphone. and a slow one running here |
| 14:14.10 | Gadgetoid | FIQ, yeah, it's on the Pandora :D |
| 14:14.14 | Gadgetoid | Which is coming in Two Years |
| 14:14.15 | crashanddie | RST38h: james marsters' performance in torchwood was actually pretty good |
| 14:14.16 | RST38h | pupnik: BTW, is it possible to compile PCSX straight from the source or does it require binary-only 3d plugins? |
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| 14:14.39 | pupnik_ | can cimpile from source. i did a little gtk tweaking |
| 14:14.47 | FIQ | pandora.. |
| 14:14.48 | RST38h | crashanddie: Torchwood shows at inopportune time for me and I do not like it enough to download the torrent |
| 14:14.59 | RST38h | pupnik: Nice =) |
| 14:15.01 | Keegz | New maemo video http://420stars.info/watch?v=AksDp2 |
| 14:15.14 | pupnik_ | what about Keegz |
| 14:15.20 | crashanddie | RST38h: definitely worth it, it gives you the same pace as dr who, but it with a much more adult feel to it |
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| 14:15.38 | RST38h | crashanddie: I watched at least 2/3 of it when itr was showing the last time, on tv |
| 14:15.47 | RST38h | crashanddie; naah, it is no DrWho |
| 14:15.47 | Gadgetoid | crashanddie, and it has gay kissing! |
| 14:15.48 | FIQ | psx-emu + sixais + tv-out = win |
| 14:16.02 | crashanddie | RST38h: said the same pace, not the same |
| 14:16.08 | Gadgetoid | PSX emu on the mythical Pandora = win :D |
| 14:16.19 | crashanddie | Gadgetoid: so? |
| 14:16.44 | Gadgetoid | crashanddie, I'm sure there are some who would watch it for that alone! |
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| 14:17.21 | crashanddie | Gadgetoid: it's the only frikking show where they actually show men kissing, rather than hiding it in subtext so complex that even the actors don't get it, or make it so overly queer that it's not far removed from hollyoaks |
| 14:17.44 | FIQ | hm, there's a ps emulator for ds |
| 14:17.47 | Gadgetoid | crashanddie, it's the only frikking show that has John Barrowman, a man so hot that even straight men want to see him kissing another guy |
| 14:17.48 | RST38h | isn't sure why men kissing is such an attraction |
| 14:18.02 | crashanddie | ~Gadgetoid++ |
| 14:18.19 | FIQ | it playa 7-8 games! |
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| 14:19.08 | Tuxprobe | hiya, how would i fix/recover apt-get / dpkg from doing a bad installation?? something went wrong when i tried installing samba-common |
| 14:19.12 | fnordianslip | just had interesting experience with n900. i'd just started to play a Rocketboom video in mediaplayer, with my bluetooth headphones connected, when things started getting really bogged down, with audio stutters and glitchy video. i switched to the desktop and noticed a missed call notification. the call must have come in just as the video was starting. anyone else seen this? |
| 14:19.19 | RST38h | FIQ: Ok. What do we all have to do with that? |
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| 14:19.34 | FIQ | nothing |
| 14:19.39 | RST38h | fnordianslip: Sounds right |
| 14:19.43 | RST38h | FIQ: Good. Make conclusions. |
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| 14:20.32 | FIQ | anyway |
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| 14:20.51 | FIQ | why is the default font for n900 named some weird chars? |
| 14:20.51 | fnordianslip | RST38h: yeah, the outcome could have been worse, so i can live with it. i'd like to think that some future platform changes might improve this kind of behaviour though. |
| 14:20.55 | RST38h | fnordianslip: Now, if you started experiencing regular audio stuttering and video bog downs, I would say it is bug #6382 |
| 14:21.00 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382 Device becomes sluggish after several days |
| 14:21.00 | FIQ | MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light 20 |
| 14:21.08 | FIQ | "ok" |
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| 14:22.12 | RST38h | A South Korean couple was arrested for starving their baby to death, reportedly only feeding her once a day after marathon sessions at an internet cafe. What was keeping them so busy? Their virtual baby. |
| 14:22.25 | crashanddie | RST38h: because homosexuality (and I'm not talking about the long-term couple relationships between men, just man to man sexuality) has been part of our culture since the beginning of times. The romans accepted it, the greeks accepted it, it was very common during renaissance and highly depicted during 18th century litterature... It's only with the advent of church, religion, and over the last 50 years having "queer" being syno |
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| 14:22.29 | pupnik_ | last i heard was one guy working on getting some derivative of pete's oGL gpu plugin integrated with psx4all, but no news in ages. |
| 14:22.31 | crashanddie | </rant> |
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| 14:23.09 | pupnik_ | we have culture? |
| 14:23.12 | RST38h | crashanddie: Yes, but what is so interesting about it/ |
| 14:23.25 | crashanddie | nothing, it's just refreshing to see it shown naturally |
| 14:23.30 | fnordianslip | RST38h: don't think i have a bug-6382-like issue. in fact, i've just hit 6.5 days uptime which is probably my best yet, since I learned to keep an eye on tonegend and not leave the browser running all day. |
| 14:23.47 | RST38h | crashanddie: If they have shown bestiality or necrophilia, on TV, at prime time, that would get me [morbidly] interested |
| 14:23.47 | crashanddie | and, kinda hot I guess, when depicted correctly |
| 14:24.16 | Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/entelligence-will-android-fragmentation-destroy-the-platform/?s=t5 |
| 14:24.18 | jo-erlend | fnordianslip, that's uptime without restarting? |
| 14:24.25 | RST38h | crashanddie: But guys kissing? So fucking what? I have observed Brezhnev kissing other heads of state for the first 8 years of my life |
| 14:24.26 | fnordianslip | yep |
| 14:24.30 | Stskeeps | and so it begins in android camp |
| 14:24.31 | jo-erlend | fnordianslip, recharging, meant! :) |
| 14:24.37 | fnordianslip | oh no |
| 14:24.58 | crashanddie | RST38h: again, you may be focusing on your own experiences, as you self-centerdly always do. |
| 14:25.06 | Gadgetoid | RST38h, what about two, dead, male horses kissing? |
| 14:25.10 | RST38h | crashanddie: Of course |
| 14:25.28 | RST38h | Gadgetoid: two dead female horses using live kitten as a dildo |
| 14:25.42 | jo-erlend | fnordianslip, then you mean you've been able to keep the phone up for almost a week? That doesn't sound terribly impressive to me.. |
| 14:25.52 | fnordianslip | no way. i seem to get from 9am until 9-12pm without even thinking of recharging it, most days, unless tonegend of the browser has started eating charge. |
| 14:26.28 | RST38h | fnordianslip: Just in case, check how well camera works. If you see long delays when making pictures, you have hit the sluggish bug |
| 14:26.50 | fnordianslip | but that may include 6 hours of music listening over bluetooth. i rarely even remember i have a camera, let alone use it |
| 14:27.00 | FIQ | dejavu sans isn't in the repos? |
| 14:27.07 | RST38h | fnordianslip: same here |
| 14:27.21 | RST38h | But sometimes, when I do remember about it, I am in for an unpleasant surprise =( |
| 14:27.40 | pupnik_ | same RST38h |
| 14:27.44 | fnordianslip | audio stability is pretty poor though |
| 14:28.24 | RST38h | pupnik: Got any POP3 accounts enabled ? |
| 14:28.45 | fnordianslip | i've found killing browser/browserd helps when mine goes all grumpy and unresponsive |
| 14:29.04 | pupnik_ | no. just opened lens cover and waited 22 secdonds to see camera appear. but picture snap worked |
| 14:29.21 | RST38h | pupnik: Oh yes, that is the bug. Please comment / vote on it |
| 14:29.32 | RST38h | pupnik: Reboot makes it quick again, doesn't it? |
| 14:30.13 | pupnik_ | and photo appeared in photos this time - with tracker disabled |
| 14:30.24 | fnordianslip | my camera app opens instantly and snap is normal, so seems ok here |
| 14:30.39 | RST38h | pupnik: Camera may explicitely run the tracker on its own |
| 14:30.40 | pupnik_ | i would need to test more consistently |
| 14:30.46 | pupnik_ | ah ty |
| 14:31.11 | RST38h | pupnik: If you can, try finding out what the difference between freshly rebooted and 7-days-old device is |
| 14:31.28 | RST38h | pupnik: I have not been able to find any differences. All the stats appear to be the same |
| 14:31.38 | fnordianslip | tracker updates during music playing is a bit of a pain. and panucci playback over bluetooth fails and will not resume when email notifications, etc, occur |
| 14:31.43 | RST38h | pupnik: My current suspicion falls onto the swap use |
| 14:33.13 | pupnik_ | got python installed RST38h ? |
| 14:33.29 | fnordianslip | could be. all of my music is on the emmc |
| 14:33.50 | RST38h | pupnik: no |
| 14:34.19 | RST38h | pupnik: Basically, there is only one bottleneck that may cause this without bringing up CPU activity or memory use meters |
| 14:34.24 | fnordianslip | i wonder if shifting swap to the usdhc card might help |
| 14:34.28 | RST38h | pupnik: It is disk activity to the eMMC |
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| 14:35.01 | RST38h | pupnik: Really thin, slow pipe. Any spike in traffic overloads it, swap use included |
| 14:35.39 | fnordianslip | RST38h: ^^^ ? |
| 14:35.49 | RST38h | what? |
| 14:35.57 | fnordianslip | i wonder if shifting swap to the usdhc card might help |
| 14:36.01 | RST38h | No idea, try |
| 14:36.17 | RST38h | is not exactly sure if two eMMC cards have got separate datapaths |
| 14:36.32 | pupnik_ | it does loo like swap. 2nd camera open brought image preview in 1 second |
| 14:38.49 | RST38h | try making pictures - I am getting 15s-30s delays when making a picture |
| 14:40.31 | lcuk | RST38h, have you corrupted your memory card then, or is it a tracker db problem perhaps> |
| 14:40.49 | RST38h | lcuk: My card appears to be ok. Not sure about tracker db. |
| 14:40.58 | pupnik_ | i saw that before RST38h but right now it is only 1.5 seconds |
| 14:41.00 | RST38h | lcuk: The problem occurs after 6-7 days of use. Reboot fixes it. |
| 14:41.05 | crashanddie | you can delete it pretty easily RST38h |
| 14:41.13 | RST38h | crashanddie: how? =) |
| 14:41.37 | RST38h | lcuk: Looks like disabling POP3 account in Modest made it better btw |
| 14:41.55 | crashanddie | RST38h: tracker-processes --hard-reset' |
| 14:42.02 | lcuk | lol RST38h |
| 14:42.02 | crashanddie | er, without the quote at the end |
| 14:42.40 | RST38h | crashanddie: ah cool, making a note, will try it next time slowdown occurs =) |
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| 14:50.15 | lcuk | crashanddie, you dont sleep anymore |
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| 14:50.31 | Otacon22Uni | hi all |
| 14:50.46 | Otacon22Uni | i have some problems on my n900 |
| 14:51.10 | Otacon22Uni | it does not connect to wifi wpa eap networks... |
| 14:51.51 | Otacon22Uni | it says "authentication filed,retry?" |
| 14:52.11 | satmd | I have a wpa eap network |
| 14:52.13 | satmd | works fine |
| 14:52.23 | Otacon22Uni | TLS? |
| 14:52.27 | satmd | yes |
| 14:52.33 | satmd | just using the certificate |
| 14:52.43 | Otacon22Uni | me too |
| 14:52.51 | Otacon22Uni | but it does not work |
| 14:53.03 | satmd | well, your cert needs to be imported to the certificate manager, with a password set |
| 14:53.13 | satmd | it'll ask for that pass again for wifi |
| 14:53.16 | Otacon22Uni | i've seen that there is a ticket about that on maemo site |
| 14:53.28 | Otacon22Uni | i know that |
| 14:53.34 | satmd | the password storage? yes, been fixed |
| 14:53.37 | satmd | in 5.1.1 |
| 14:53.58 | Otacon22Uni | no, about wpa eap tls |
| 14:54.14 | satmd | deletes his connection and sets it up again |
| 14:54.23 | Otacon22Uni | anyway i've installed the certificate (.p12) |
| 14:54.48 | Otacon22Uni | i've setted the password |
| 14:54.56 | riot | how do i find out whats keeping ksoftirqd eating up two of my four cores every few seconds? |
| 14:55.03 | crashanddie | lcuk: not much these days |
| 14:55.14 | riot | oops, wrong chan, sorry :) |
| 14:55.21 | RST38h | hunger? |
| 14:55.36 | riot | (mhmh, maemo-devices with four cores.. yikes ;) |
| 14:55.50 | satmd | I just retried and it worked |
| 14:55.55 | satmd | can you tell me the bug number? |
| 14:56.22 | Otacon22Uni | 7764 |
| 14:56.40 | Otacon22Uni | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7764 |
| 14:56.41 | povbot | Bug 7764: WPA-EAP authentication fails with *any* expired certificate |
| 14:58.14 | satmd | hm |
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| 14:59.48 | satmd | that's a different bug than I expected |
| 14:59.51 | satmd | hm |
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| 15:04.02 | Otacon22Uni | satmd, so i have to wait until the next update of maemo? |
| 15:04.16 | satmd | I dunno |
| 15:04.22 | FIQ | hm |
| 15:04.27 | satmd | that bug says about internal investigation |
| 15:04.44 | satmd | so maybe nokia fixes it in the next release |
| 15:04.57 | Otacon22Uni | i hope |
| 15:05.32 | FIQ | wasn't there a repo somewhere that stored all the bugfixes patches that could be installed with simple "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 15:06.41 | crashanddie | yeah, for debian |
| 15:07.44 | satmd | but btw... I would have expected expired certificates to fail, because that is the POINT of expiry dates |
| 15:07.52 | satmd | so the title of that bug is a little misleading |
| 15:08.38 | crashanddie | certificates should fail for more than expired date |
| 15:08.57 | crashanddie | and the expiry date on certificates has always been more of a management guideline more than a security feature |
| 15:09.21 | Otacon22Uni | my certificate has not expired |
| 15:09.28 | Corsac | hhmhm, i disagree, expiracy isn't there just for management |
| 15:10.05 | satmd | a stolen certificate with limited lifetime can do limited damage |
| 15:10.13 | satmd | not everyone uses crls |
| 15:10.20 | satmd | and not every service actually uses them |
| 15:10.42 | satmd | Otacon22Uni: yeah, your cert probably has not expired... I just said the bug description is misleading |
| 15:10.53 | satmd | (hoping for more people to look at it) |
| 15:10.54 | crashanddie | CRLs and OCSP is what PKI is based on, if not for them, certificates are worthless |
| 15:11.17 | satmd | crashanddie: openssl verify by default does not check them |
| 15:11.27 | satmd | e.g. in scripts |
| 15:12.07 | Otacon22Uni | anyway now i'm not where there is that network,but as soon as possibile i will try to connect by shell with wpa_supplicant |
| 15:12.09 | crashanddie | and? OpenSSL's defaults are hardly anything to write home about |
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| 15:13.47 | satmd | postfix doesn't either - iirc |
| 15:13.48 | crashanddie | lol, Microsoft's CSP is probably more secure than OpenSSL -- when you compare their default settings |
| 15:16.07 | crashanddie | I'd rely on NSS a lot more than OSSL |
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| 15:22.15 | crashanddie | but who am I to talk about PKI, eh? |
| 15:22.27 | Corsac | yes, who are you? |
| 15:22.51 | Corsac | (TLS libs state on linux is pretty much scary anyway) |
| 15:23.04 | Corsac | (libssl, nss, gnutls, all scary) |
| 15:23.09 | crashanddie | aww, I thought my maemo.org profile said it all |
| 15:23.18 | Corsac | polarssl looks good but doesn't have all features |
| 15:23.30 | Corsac | (and isn't used anywhere :) |
| 15:23.31 | satmd | ;) |
| 15:24.16 | Corsac | hmhm, can't reach maemo.org |
| 15:24.48 | Corsac | stops at 62.237.135.53 |
| 15:25.06 | satmd | :) |
| 15:25.46 | satmd | crashanddie: not only libs, but also cert management on a CA scope is pretty scary, too |
| 15:26.13 | satmd | I settled for a Makefile + specialized openssl.cnf |
| 15:26.31 | crashanddie | which is why if you want a serious CA, you go with proprietary |
| 15:26.49 | satmd | :( |
| 15:27.07 | crashanddie | though, I've never seen sufficient requirements inside anything personal/open source to require a commercial CA |
| 15:27.32 | satmd | well, I work in research field (heating/water sector) |
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| 15:27.49 | Corsac | crashanddie: ejbca is based on java crypto api |
| 15:27.51 | satmd | so I went pki to secure our network |
| 15:27.56 | crashanddie | One of the CAs I'm most familiar with is Entrust, and it really is the rolls royce of CAs, works beautifully on Solaris and Windows |
| 15:27.57 | Corsac | (and is open source) |
| 15:28.08 | Corsac | (but it's java) |
| 15:28.16 | crashanddie | Corsac: yeah, EJB is nice too, but sadly widely untrusted as it doesn't have the correct credentials yet |
| 15:28.27 | Corsac | the correct credentials? |
| 15:28.35 | crashanddie | we're actually on a few projects where it's starting to get implemented, so it might have governmental badges pretty soon |
| 15:28.56 | Corsac | crashanddie: it's used by swedish police, french gendarmerie nationale |
| 15:29.07 | crashanddie | yeah, which aren't really industry leaders |
| 15:29.20 | Corsac | sure |
| 15:30.08 | crashanddie | At the moment, in Europe, only the UK police or any european MoD would be considered a "valid" badge that would make it be considered by others |
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| 15:31.08 | Corsac | crashanddie: where do you get that from? |
| 15:31.18 | crashanddie | but considering that UK Police uses cybertrust (or whatever it's called these days, it's the one from verizon, used to be baltimore), which used to be the de facto standard for government agencies all over the world, especially in Europe |
| 15:31.42 | crashanddie | Corsac: I'm a consultant for a company which specialises in credential management |
| 15:31.46 | Corsac | ok |
| 15:33.27 | crashanddie | There's only a few competitors in the commercial CA business. Microsoft CA is the cheapest one (free with most server editions of windows), but its CRL and template management is so basic it's not usable for anyone with more than 20k seats |
| 15:34.11 | crashanddie | Cybertrust historically had most of the governmental agencies, but Verizon isn't really chasing that market anymore, so they mainly do renewals. Entrust is eating away at their market share |
| 15:37.22 | crashanddie | Corsac: my company has been heavily involved in the CAC and PIV deployments in the US. The *only* way (and I kid you not) to get traction on PIV in Europe is through the UK. We fought very hard but finally we're getting more and more UK Police forces joining up on PIV. We even have the NPIA, and that was a big score. Before any of that, European companies/governments would not even consider implementing anything that's used in |
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| 15:38.34 | crashanddie | But as soon as you say "It's being implemented in the UK as we speak, after having seen the benefits in the US", then they listen... Security, sadly, is a sheep market. Nobody wants to set a precedent, but as soon as it's there, everyone jumps in |
| 15:39.36 | Corsac | what's piv? |
| 15:40.57 | crashanddie | Personal Identity Verification. A standard that was implemented by the US DoD (all army/marine personel have a card) which enables them to tell companies/contractors "Implement this standard, so that we can check who you are" |
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| 15:41.33 | Corsac | it's a middleware for smartcard? |
| 15:41.41 | Corsac | well, more like an api |
| 15:42.01 | crashanddie | kinda. It's a smartcard applet definition |
| 15:43.03 | pupnik_ | neat sstuff crashanddie |
| 15:43.44 | crashanddie | http://csrc.nist.gov/drivers/documents/Presidential-Directive-Hspd-12.html |
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| 15:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what the German ID card authetication feature will be - the ID card is supposed to roll out in Q4/2010 |
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| 15:44.13 | Corsac | crashanddie: you might be interested by IAS ECC then |
| 15:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | some kind of RFID |
| 15:44.21 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: german ID or health? |
| 15:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | ID |
| 15:44.40 | pupnik_ | the health card is a giant waste of money |
| 15:45.02 | pupnik_ | but nice if you are recieving the money of course :) |
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| 15:45.12 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: rot12 |
| 15:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 15:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~rot13 SpeedEvil |
| 15:45.36 | infobot | FcrrqRivy |
| 15:45.55 | crashanddie | ~rot13 FCRRQRIVY |
| 15:45.55 | infobot | SPEEDEVIL |
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| 15:47.03 | satmd | hm hm |
| 15:47.04 | SpeedEvil | Cards are easy to screw up if you don't employ people that actually know their shit. |
| 15:47.17 | SpeedEvil | To define the system. |
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| 15:47.33 | SpeedEvil | There are no root certs for the passport system for example. |
| 15:47.34 | crashanddie | ~rot13 bzt fcrrqrivy v yhim lbh!!!! Lbh'er fb njrfbzr. Pna V unf lbhe plobet onovrf? |
| 15:47.34 | infobot | omg speedevil i luvz you!!!! You're so awesome. Can I has your cyborg babies? |
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| 15:48.04 | SpeedEvil | And 'chip and pin' is broken in the implementation. |
| 15:48.15 | crashanddie | details :) |
| 15:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm? |
| 15:49.53 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: it's even worse, the german health system goons forgot to backup the HSM that was holding the reference environment's root private keys |
| 15:50.27 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: there was a power failure, HSM thought it was an attack, deleted all the keys as a safeguard |
| 15:50.37 | pupnik_ | anybody here know any google search terms i could seek to find webserver software that can transcode heavy flash streams and files to something mobile friendly? |
| 15:50.51 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 15:51.21 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: that would never of course happen in a real rolled-out system. |
| 15:51.24 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: it was only the reference environment, so nothing major, but it just goes to show how incompetent some people are |
| 15:51.33 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: you'd be amazed :) |
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| 15:51.40 | SpeedEvil | No, regrettably not. |
| 15:51.54 | crashanddie | I tell this one story, because I just love it so much. |
| 15:52.09 | crashanddie | I was doing a workshop with the main backbone and network provider in the UK |
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| 15:52.39 | crashanddie | I wanted to do a demo on a laptop, so I ask the head of security if I can borrow his smartcard. He had it in a holster around his neck. |
| 15:53.07 | crashanddie | He looks at me, looks at his card, and says "No". I insist, explaining I just need to show a stupid feature which doesn't require anything, bla bla |
| 15:53.21 | crashanddie | He replies "I can't take it out of the holster in public, the PIN is written on the back" |
| 15:53.31 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:53.34 | pupnik_ | good story |
| 15:53.38 | Robot101 | gnnnrngnhashdfh *headdesk* |
| 15:53.43 | Robot101 | but he can say that in public? :P |
| 15:54.05 | Robot101 | http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 15:54.07 | SpeedEvil | Now all you need is a cute MOTAS, and ... |
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| 15:56.11 | crashanddie | Randall is right in his comic about cryptography. You can implement the toughest system, it won't matter a dime if the people who use it (and even worse, administer it) are not properly educated |
| 15:56.43 | SpeedEvil | And if the policies aren't rigourously enforced. |
| 15:57.09 | SpeedEvil | Forex - reporting his violation of the password-writing-down-rule to him should have got him disciplined. |
| 15:57.32 | crashanddie | This has been proven time and time again by social engineering (Kevin Mitnick's "Your passes have expired, we'll send someone to pick them up" is a classic, but oh so remarkable in its simplicity) |
| 15:58.03 | lcuk | crashanddie, education means nothing, if the system is widely used, it just takes one bad day by one person to bring the stack of cards |
| 15:58.05 | crashanddie | and if anyone doesn't know that story, youtube it, search for mitnick and last hope |
| 15:58.17 | SpeedEvil | Combined with 'people in a smart suit and a clipboard can't be up to evil'. |
| 15:58.34 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: <3 social compliance |
| 15:59.32 | crashanddie | lcuk: not really. The whole point about proper security isn't so much in the technology as it is in the processes, as outlined by SpeedEvil. One person shouldn't be able to do everything. If the policies require you to have 3 approvals and 2 different people to execute, that's 5 hurdles you need to overcome as an attacker |
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| 16:00.34 | crashanddie | lcuk: same thing with the "bad day" scenario. If the powers are sufficiently compartementalised ensuring that any one person can't damage anything without other people accepting it, you're seriously limiting the risk factor |
| 16:01.09 | SpeedEvil | s/bad day/blackmail/ |
| 16:01.45 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: actually, that one is referred to as "black day" :P |
| 16:02.43 | crashanddie | blackmail, hack and theft/steal are banned words in our industry, sadly. |
| 16:02.58 | SpeedEvil | It really needs a team of smart people to work out what the worst case use of the data is. And how much this might be worth to certain parties. |
| 16:03.24 | crashanddie | Blackmail is black day, or dark evening; hack is workaround; theft/stealing is unauthorised/illegitimate access. |
| 16:03.59 | SpeedEvil | For example, you can mine health data for rich people on sleeping pills that live alone. |
| 16:05.48 | crashanddie | any given system is flawed. It's the base paradigm of security. The only thing you can attempt is make it more difficult, more expensive, or make attacks more easily reconisable |
| 16:06.14 | SpeedEvil | Or reduce the target. |
| 16:06.30 | SpeedEvil | Compartmentalised databases rather than massive centralisation. |
| 16:06.54 | crashanddie | usually, the lower the security, the more there is a guarantee (all the OSs screaming that they're the most secure OS) of security. The higher the security, the lesser the guarantee, and the more you emphasise on "limiting risk factors" or "reduced loss approach" |
| 16:07.04 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
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| 16:07.47 | SpeedEvil | I did a BOTE design for an ID card that required no central database, other than one very secured point that would only be needed for checking potential dupes at aplication time. |
| 16:08.03 | crashanddie | BOTE? |
| 16:08.11 | SpeedEvil | Back of the envelope. |
| 16:08.24 | SpeedEvil | I was wondering if you could do a national ID card in a secure way. |
| 16:08.34 | SpeedEvil | Where secure = non privacy invasion. |
| 16:08.59 | SpeedEvil | It's really tricky, but possible largely. |
| 16:09.01 | crashanddie | Well, you could |
| 16:09.07 | crashanddie | no-one implemented it, though |
| 16:09.11 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 16:09.26 | SpeedEvil | It's easier and more fun to do one hooked to a massive database. |
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| 16:10.40 | crashanddie | Off the top of my head, I'd see data on the smartcard (as opposed to stored in a database), signed by the certificate on the smartcard, which in turn is signed by the government's CA |
| 16:11.18 | crashanddie | The data is added to the smartcard during smartcard perso (enrollment and activation) |
| 16:11.57 | SpeedEvil | And the card can be presented to a biometric terminal which communiates the biometric to the card, along with 'is this person entitled to foo' and gets a 1 bit answer. |
| 16:12.22 | crashanddie | well, the authorisation should not be handled by the card |
| 16:12.29 | satmd | first thing I'll do to my next id card: microwave |
| 16:13.18 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: if it isn't - it requires a backend database somewhere which can record each access. |
| 16:14.00 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: yeah, but then you're going to have issues with fabricating a card which always answers your "yes" bit |
| 16:14.04 | Trizt | damn, hildon-desktop suddenly too 100% cpu power after a phone call, is that a known bug? |
| 16:14.30 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: at that point the user has the option of authenticating in various manners with the aid of the central db |
| 16:14.45 | crashanddie | Trizt: oh I'm sorry, we weren't formaly introduced, I'm the guy who spends his days memorising the bugzilla database, can I be of any service? |
| 16:15.10 | Trizt | is bug #1 fixed yet? ;) |
| 16:15.11 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it |
| 16:15.52 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: it really depends what you're trying to achieve |
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| 16:16.26 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: if it's just identification, what I said before enables you to prove your identity without the shadow of a doubt -- it even allows you to digitally sign for things when required (and when you agree to) |
| 16:16.48 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: if you want to do authentication, and authorisation processing, I'm not aware of any non-central system that could realisatically be used |
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| 16:17.52 | crashanddie | anyway, it's late |
| 16:17.55 | crashanddie | I need to go to bed |
| 16:18.12 | crashanddie | 240 page document review awaits tomorrow, woohoo |
| 16:18.26 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: thanks for the interesting discussion, as always |
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| 16:19.05 | NoobMonk3y | \me waves |
| 16:19.08 | NoobMonk3y | meh |
| 16:19.13 | NoobMonk3y | waves |
| 16:19.15 | NoobMonk3y | yay |
| 16:19.22 | NoobMonk3y | lo alls |
| 16:20.31 | NoobMonk3y | anyone alive? :) |
| 16:22.21 | Trizt | nah, everyone died |
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| 16:23.46 | NoobMonk3y | wooop |
| 16:25.16 | javispedro | ah, the entire dpkg-gensymbols stuff is broken in scratchbox so it's unusable |
| 16:25.31 | Stskeeps | who is surprised? |
| 16:25.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:25.40 | javispedro | the script itself seems to fail to parse version info from ELFs, |
| 16:25.57 | javispedro | and the dh_makeshlibs one is from an older debian version so they're not compatible |
| 16:26.02 | javispedro | at all. |
| 16:26.17 | Stskeeps | can't wait till we're rid of it |
| 16:26.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:26.27 | javispedro | no wonder nobody in maemo uses .symbols files :) |
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| 16:27.59 | javispedro | I am yet to see what's RPM packaging about |
| 16:28.27 | arachnist | rpm .spec files are very easy to write |
| 16:28.55 | Stskeeps | javispedro: i was sold after seeing how easy it is to bootstrap a system, and specs look sane too :P |
| 16:29.10 | javispedro | I like the one file contains everything approach |
| 16:29.31 | javispedro | how do you put icons in? wait for the upstream tarball to contain them at the appropriate sizes? |
| 16:29.52 | Stskeeps | you can have attachments |
| 16:29.57 | Stskeeps | like patches etc |
| 16:30.08 | Stskeeps | not sure about icons, but there should be a way |
| 16:30.46 | _strcpy | duh , found the root of problem with that damn "external ip" pre-defined command on widget |
| 16:31.17 | _strcpy | if the host wget contact is not reponding by any mean, entire process halts, rather than a simple timeout error |
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| 16:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | _strcpy: err, which problem? |
| 16:50.30 | lcuk | javispedro, |
| 16:50.35 | lcuk | the changes you made for sdl |
| 16:51.06 | lcuk | are they complete, ie do they allow gles apps directly from sdl now |
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| 16:51.18 | javispedro | yes, they work |
| 16:51.44 | lcuk | does normal sdl benefit from it, ie gles blits etc? |
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| 16:51.55 | javispedro | nope |
| 16:52.12 | javispedro | that requires much more work than a single afternoon :) |
| 16:52.49 | lcuk | of course, but the ground support is there and opens a gles context etc? |
| 16:53.18 | javispedro | yes; if you do it, you cannot blit with the SDL functions (like on normal GL SDL 1.2) |
| 16:53.34 | lcuk | pupnik_, have you seen any additional sdl GL ES code lying around anywhere |
| 16:53.41 | javispedro | that was called the "SDL_OPENGLBLIT" flag somewhere. |
| 16:54.11 | lcuk | yeah thats not a real blit is it - it would require creating a texture and laying polygons down |
| 16:54.53 | lcuk | needs to get further than the preface of the book really lol, since i got it ive had too much real work on |
| 16:54.58 | javispedro | what kind of blit you want? :) |
| 16:55.00 | lcuk | even today i am sidetracked |
| 16:55.12 | lcuk | nothin, just curious about how normal sdl works |
| 16:55.28 | lcuk | or rather how much benefit the es bit would be |
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| 16:55.50 | burchr | lcuk: the good kind of sidetracked I hope |
| 16:56.31 | javispedro | the normal sdl had the "non opengl mode" (using xshm for blitting to the screen), the "opengl mode" (where you just use opengl calls, and normal sdl 2d blits don't do anything) and the "opengl blit" mode, where you can use both gl calls and then modify and blit SDL surfaces, but is deprecated and slow. |
| 16:56.37 | lcuk | burchr, the run off feet kind |
| 16:56.46 | burchr | heh :( |
| 16:56.55 | javispedro | my lib only implements the first two |
| 16:57.06 | javispedro | well, the second one only actually :) |
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| 16:58.09 | lcuk | javispedro, so its exploration by you! |
| 16:58.56 | javispedro | i'm porting some iphone game atm (not free unfortunately so won't be able to release it) |
| 16:59.23 | javispedro | the first one I used bare Xlib, plus canberra for sound effects (in place of the SoundEffect iphone framework) |
| 16:59.48 | javispedro | bare Xlib is.. awful; Canberra is nice but does not cache sounds and does not seem designed for this. |
| 16:59.48 | lcuk | cool |
| 17:00.18 | lcuk | doesnt mind closed source, but wishes when it stops being developed it gets opened up |
| 17:00.37 | juhovh | Xlib is pretty raw :P |
| 17:00.39 | RST38h | bare xlib is ok |
| 17:00.54 | lcuk | xlib is perfectly reasonable |
| 17:00.55 | juhovh | it's just a very simple implementation of the protocol |
| 17:00.56 | lcuk | and compatible too |
| 17:01.13 | RST38h | all te crap crazy penguins put on top is kinda frustrating though |
| 17:01.23 | lcuk | lol RST38h |
| 17:01.27 | javispedro | I find it way too much verbosy |
| 17:01.27 | lcuk | how long are you stateside for |
| 17:01.54 | juhovh | I've done raw xlib over a tcp connection initiated using kernel syscalls directly |
| 17:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | _strcpy: maybe you'd like to give this one a try (look into it first, you need to edit URL of STUN server) http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/getownip |
| 17:02.03 | juhovh | with no libc but in C anyway |
| 17:02.06 | javispedro | raw X11 then |
| 17:02.09 | juhovh | that should be compatible as well |
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| 17:02.20 | juhovh | I think the kernel apis don't change much |
| 17:02.37 | juhovh | in gnu systems the libc version compatibility can be a pain |
| 17:03.05 | RST38h | lcuk: two weeks |
| 17:03.45 | lcuk | cool, did you take family or strictly working |
| 17:04.04 | RST38h | lcuk: no, family is back in ru |
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| 17:04.15 | lcuk | nods |
| 17:04.18 | RST38h | lcuk: have to do a few annual chores |
| 17:05.29 | lcuk | reasonable enough, though why you cant just shower in russia is beyond me :p |
| 17:06.47 | RST38h | lcuk: gets more complicated than that, with tax revenue service etc |
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| 17:15.02 | _strcpy | dockane, thanks. I used something alike (wget www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp -O - -q ) |
| 17:15.23 | _strcpy | DocScrutinizer, |
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| 17:29.24 | pupnik_ | RST38h: again now since downloading a 300 MB flash and closing browser i have pegged cpu meter and very very slow (up to 5 minutes) lack of screen response while top shows noting |
| 17:30.18 | pupnik_ | mousepointer moves with tap but windows will not close from app overview |
| 17:30.47 | RST38h | yea |
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| 17:30.55 | RST38h | sounds like our bug |
| 17:31.06 | RST38h | Or, run FireFox Mobile and suffer |
| 17:31.22 | RST38h | You won;t be able to close it, reach task switcher, or even lock the device with the sliding switch |
| 17:31.41 | Stskeeps | isn't that just the video thumbnailer and that stuff? |
| 17:31.54 | NoobMonk3y | this mirc on the go is pretty good and easy. very impressed with XChat! |
| 17:31.57 | RST38h | thumbnailer adds to the problem but does not seem to cause it |
| 17:32.13 | timeless_mbp | slaps NoobMonk3y for abuse of 'mirc' |
| 17:32.15 | lcuk | NoobMonk3y, of course! |
| 17:32.24 | RST38h | Stskeeps: looks like it all comes down to eMMC traffic (swap is there!) |
| 17:32.26 | pupnik_ | thumbnailer is off |
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| 17:32.43 | NoobMonk3y | \me cant remember the me command |
| 17:32.45 | javispedro | yes, I agree with RST |
| 17:32.46 | pupnik_ | can i kill browserd somehow to see if that helps? |
| 17:32.53 | NoobMonk3y | rememembered it |
| 17:33.05 | javispedro | try moving swap to SD card (for example swapon -p 1000 /dev/mmcblk1p*) |
| 17:33.12 | NoobMonk3y | likes a good slapping... |
| 17:33.23 | pupnik_ | phone is off |
| 17:33.32 | javispedro | no no, it doesn't improve. it gets worse. |
| 17:33.33 | NoobMonk3y | tis very colourful tho! |
| 17:33.38 | RST38h | hehe |
| 17:34.03 | NoobMonk3y | lcuk, was the ner version of healthcheck lcuk friendly? |
| 17:34.09 | NoobMonk3y | new* |
| 17:34.24 | lcuk | NoobMonk3y, i have been too busy to look at anything on my device |
| 17:34.25 | javispedro | ah, you're the Healthcheck author. |
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| 17:34.32 | NoobMonk3y | lol |
| 17:34.40 | NoobMonk3y | prepares for another slap |
| 17:34.45 | lcuk | but i shall update it now whilst i am resting |
| 17:34.55 | javispedro | ~chase NoobMonk3y |
| 17:34.56 | infobot | ACTION chases NoobMonk3y |
| 17:35.10 | NoobMonk3y | rides infobot round the room |
| 17:35.15 | lcuk | i nearly reflashed my personal device the other night |
| 17:35.18 | NoobMonk3y | cool lcuk :) |
| 17:35.28 | NoobMonk3y | why? |
| 17:35.33 | lcuk | i had battery out and usb cable in and flasher waiting and everything before i realised it was the wrong one |
| 17:36.21 | javispedro | what do you mean with "lcuk friendly"? I'm curious. |
| 17:36.21 | NoobMonk3y | haha! |
| 17:36.21 | pupnik_ | ok now "web" not responding and closed and cpu use is down |
| 17:36.21 | lcuk | javispedro, i find crashes |
| 17:36.22 | NoobMonk3y | his was acting odd. was vanishing on him. |
| 17:36.22 | lcuk | i have been keeping updated with it |
| 17:36.22 | javispedro | ah |
| 17:36.22 | javispedro | lcuk-n900's friendly. |
| 17:36.34 | lcuk | ooh 94kb |
| 17:36.34 | NoobMonk3y | think it is because i cant code lol. removed threading and that should fix it |
| 17:36.40 | pupnik_ | so in my case i always have gotten back to responsive when browser is fully closed |
| 17:36.42 | lcuk | 0.6.0-2 |
| 17:36.43 | NoobMonk3y | odd it happenned to no one else |
| 17:36.48 | lcuk | not really |
| 17:36.53 | lcuk | my system is a bit special |
| 17:36.58 | NoobMonk3y | awwwww |
| 17:37.01 | lcuk | actually "special" |
| 17:37.15 | NoobMonk3y | new icon too, hehe |
| 17:37.31 | lcuk | noticed |
| 17:37.34 | lcuk | i liked the old one :) |
| 17:37.45 | lcuk | ooooops :P |
| 17:37.52 | NoobMonk3y | and emailed for a bugtracker too, so when that is done, final prob is the audio tools dependency |
| 17:38.00 | lcuk | it has nice stars effect as it closes |
| 17:38.13 | NoobMonk3y | so did i, but someone put effort into the new one, hehe |
| 17:38.22 | lcuk | yeah |
| 17:38.50 | lcuk | did you add some debugging console output |
| 17:38.54 | NoobMonk3y | some reason, the audio tools doesnt install with the app. |
| 17:39.03 | NoobMonk3y | not yet, only had an hour |
| 17:39.22 | NoobMonk3y | missus is currently driving me to a chinese :) |
| 17:40.32 | lcuk | ponders how to check qt |
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| 17:40.46 | NoobMonk3y | should get some free time tomorrow to add it. |
| 17:41.19 | lcuk | i think its the qt on this machine |
| 17:41.34 | NoobMonk3y | hmmmmm thats not good. |
| 17:41.56 | NoobMonk3y | brb 2 mins. need to check map |
| 17:42.11 | lcuk | haha just carry on driving east |
| 17:42.23 | NoobMonk3y | lol! i am scary |
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| 17:43.31 | NoobMonk3y | via a tescos lol |
| 17:44.46 | lcuk | NoobMonk3y, whats odd is that your healthcheck used to work |
| 17:45.33 | NoobMonk3y | lcuk, no idea how to reply to that on xchat... |
| 17:46.09 | lcuk | writes healthcheck healthcheck app |
| 17:46.35 | NoobMonk3y | lol!! |
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| 17:47.54 | NoobMonk3y | will add debugging 2moro. assuming it is still doing it? |
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| 17:49.12 | lcuk | NoobMonk3y, i will triple confirm whether its my machine or extensions to your app by putting older version back on |
| 17:49.19 | lcuk | if you remind me later ill do it then |
| 17:49.43 | NoobMonk3y | do what? |
| 17:50.16 | NoobMonk3y | ive gota bottle or two of wine to get thru so prob wont b in a fit state for much tonight |
| 17:50.55 | lcuk | NoobMonk3y, i will just install a couple of older versions and see which run |
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| 17:52.03 | g0tcha | hey guys, does the N900 support video calls? |
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| 17:53.33 | NoobMonk3y | is trying to hold a conversation, eat a boost and use irc int the car at the same time |
| 17:53.45 | NoobMonk3y | who said men cant multitask |
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| 17:55.57 | Veggen | I once did an rebus rally (the kind of competition where you'll solve tasks and get places, perhaps with practical stuff underway... |
| 17:56.19 | Veggen | ...and one of the tasks was knitting as far as you could during the competition. |
| 17:56.39 | Veggen | the only one who could knit properly (we were all men ;) were the only one with the drivers license. |
| 17:56.50 | Veggen | *that* was multitasking. |
| 17:57.08 | NoobMonk3y | lol |
| 17:57.47 | NoobMonk3y | i'm pretty good at breathing and blinking at the same time. dowes that count? |
| 17:58.03 | lcuk | prove it |
| 17:58.17 | NoobMonk3y | doing it now.... go meeeeeeeee |
| 17:59.40 | lcuk | NoobMonk3y, i just realised |
| 17:59.51 | NoobMonk3y | ? |
| 17:59.52 | lcuk | the console log for your application is... odd |
| 18:00.01 | NoobMonk3y | ooo is it? |
| 18:00.06 | lcuk | it gives a gtk warning |
| 18:00.10 | NoobMonk3y | yeah |
| 18:00.20 | lcuk | arent you using qt |
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| 18:02.39 | lcuk | liq-n900:/home/opt/healthcheck# python healthcheck.py |
| 18:02.39 | lcuk | healthcheck.py:844: GtkWarning: gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 18:02.39 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.39 | lcuk | healthcheck.py:844: GtkWarning: Can't set a parent on a toplevel widget |
| 18:02.39 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.40 | lcuk | Segmentation fault |
| 18:03.03 | maher | where does the email cient modest hide its documentation - in particular where do I find the editor key bindings? |
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| 18:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | More freaking free space on my phone than my boot volume. |
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| 18:11.43 | g0tcha | so the N900 doesnt support video calls? can that be changed with a fw update or something? |
| 18:12.05 | satmd | it works partially it seems |
| 18:12.05 | Arkenoi | looks like i tracked down my traffic eater. rss reader appears to ignore "update via wifi only" setting, which costs me up to $150 so far, i think :-/ |
| 18:12.12 | satmd | software problem, I think |
| 18:12.17 | pupnik_ | ow Arkenoi |
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| 18:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | g0tcha, sure, just about anything can be changed with a software update. |
| 18:12.45 | g0tcha | GeneralAntilles, why is such a common feature not included out of the box?! |
| 18:12.50 | g0tcha | in a phone like the N900 |
| 18:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's a computer before it's a phone? :) |
| 18:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | Many common phone features are not included out of the box |
| 18:13.31 | GeneralAntilles | Because the N900 is a phone behind just about everything else it is. |
| 18:13.33 | g0tcha | weird |
| 18:13.37 | ShadowJK | I think they'd do mms before 3g video calls, 3g video sharing, 3g image sharing, 3g push-to-talk, 3g this and 3g that.. |
| 18:13.38 | GeneralAntilles | Not really |
| 18:13.45 | g0tcha | no software out there that enables this feature? |
| 18:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | Weird, maybe, if you're new to Maemo. |
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| 18:13.56 | g0tcha | i am new to maemo =) |
| 18:14.23 | GeneralAntilles | Well, now you know. |
| 18:14.33 | ShadowJK | I think of there was someone out there making video call software they'd probably do internet video calls first, because it's easier.. |
| 18:14.53 | g0tcha | so what youre saying is its difficult for maemo to do a video call? |
| 18:15.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's difficult for anybody to do a 3G video call. |
| 18:15.18 | g0tcha | ShadowJK, from what i read its possible using google talk on N900 |
| 18:15.19 | pupnik_ | do you know anyone that can receive one g0tcha ? |
| 18:15.27 | Arkenoi | I'm yet to see a person who actually *uses* 3g video calls except for trying once wondering if the thing really works ;-) |
| 18:15.31 | g0tcha | but the N97 for example needs fringe to use google talk and i hate fringe |
| 18:15.36 | g0tcha | or fring* |
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| 18:15.53 | ShadowJK | Well N97 is symbian based |
| 18:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, $10 a month from AT&T |
| 18:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hardly seems worth it. |
| 18:16.25 | GeneralAntilles | Google Talk voice and chat are supported out of the box. |
| 18:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | notes the N900 has exposed a massive Finder.app bug for the 3rd time this year. |
| 18:17.36 | g0tcha | takes notes |
| 18:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | reboots because both Apple and Nokia are incompetent. |
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| 18:25.13 | pupnik_ | what is the proper filename extension for libavformat file format detected. |
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| 18:26.47 | GAN900 | Kernel panic to top off the lovely cake |
| 18:27.51 | GAN900 | hildon-thumbnailer needs to burn |
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| 18:28.48 | pupnik_ | m4v seems to load then stop in media player |
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| 18:30.31 | maher | how do i delete lines in the modest email editor? |
| 18:30.37 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: what did finder do? |
| 18:30.44 | timeless_mbp | i've got some really amusing behavior from finder |
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| 18:30.52 | timeless_mbp | it gets really pissed if $HOME changes |
| 18:31.11 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, error -10810 |
| 18:31.35 | GAN900 | After connecting and trying to browse an N900 eMMC |
| 18:32.01 | GAN900 | The procedure goes something like: |
| 18:32.17 | GAN900 | Plugin, select mass storage, click the N900 in the sidebar |
| 18:32.27 | GAN900 | click the MacOS folder |
| 18:32.35 | GAN900 | SBBoD |
| 18:32.44 | GAN900 | Relaunch Finder |
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| 18:32.57 | GAN900 | Error -10810 when trying to relaunch |
| 18:33.14 | GAN900 | Reboot, kernel panic, reboot again, back to normal. |
| 18:33.28 | SpeedEvil | They go overboard on these verbose error messages don't they. |
| 18:33.28 | arachnist | lol |
| 18:33.29 | jacekowski | use normal os |
| 18:33.31 | GAN900 | Reproducibility is about 3/50 |
| 18:33.31 | jacekowski | like windows |
| 18:33.32 | jacekowski | or linux |
| 18:33.34 | javispedro | bugs.apple.com |
| 18:34.09 | arachnist | jacekowski: OS, by definition, is supposed to help people get stuff done. windows doesn't fit in that definition |
| 18:34.37 | jacekowski | well, it helps me |
| 18:34.39 | arachnist | (at least for me) |
| 18:35.53 | GAN900 | Yeah, wasn't looking for input on my OS choice. :) |
| 18:35.53 | GAN900 | javispedro, likely already been filed a hundred times. |
| 18:36.00 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, very much legacy. But at least they're googleable. Plus you never really see them anymore. |
| 18:36.30 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 18:36.59 | GAN900 | I guess it's slightly more friendly than illegal operation in Windows. |
| 18:37.14 | javispedro | The operation failed: Success. |
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| 18:42.04 | GAN900 | Anyway, I'm off. Later, folks. |
| 18:42.14 | javispedro | bye gan |
| 18:42.41 | SpeedEvil | wave |
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| 18:46.11 | timeless_mbp | 'sbbod'? |
| 18:46.26 | javispedro | spinning beach ball of death I guess |
| 18:46.29 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 18:46.42 | timeless_mbp | http://marbleofdoom.com/ |
| 18:47.57 | javispedro | abuse of flash -- check |
| 18:48.35 | javispedro | and why it does not let one enter "spun for a day"? |
| 18:48.55 | doc|home | because the developers didn't think people were that dumb |
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| 18:52.33 | eichi | hello, is there something similar to connection handler in maemo 5? |
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| 18:53.30 | timeless_mbp | ? icd? |
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| 19:12.07 | Arkenoi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=558070#post558070 |
| 19:13.29 | Stskeeps | nethogs? interesting |
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| 19:15.22 | Stskeeps | Arkenoi: submit a bug and if you're a hacker, it's oss |
| 19:16.16 | wazd | hello people :) |
| 19:16.21 | Stskeeps | lo wazdie |
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| 19:17.07 | simoneb_ | has anyone tried to load maps on the n900 with a ubuntu/linux box? |
| 19:17.09 | SpeedEvil | wazd'up! |
| 19:17.27 | Stskeeps | simoneb_: look for jaffas post on ovi maps precaching |
| 19:18.15 | maher | simoneb_: you can just download them and unpack them n the right place |
| 19:18.21 | Stskeeps | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa , scroll down to you find it |
| 19:19.55 | simoneb_ | should be this one http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c thanks |
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| 19:21.48 | simoneb_ | looks like the map applications is useless anyway without a network connection... |
| 19:23.17 | Stskeeps | there's some bugs around it |
| 19:23.41 | simoneb_ | some bugs that make it useless without a connection? |
| 19:23.50 | Stskeeps | well, there is two sides |
| 19:24.07 | Stskeeps | agps helps it not to take 12 or 24 mins to get a fix |
| 19:24.14 | Stskeeps | agps need a connection |
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| 19:26.47 | simoneb_ | ok i could just wait.. but jaffa's page says you can't search for destinations without an internet connection |
| 19:27.27 | simoneb_ | or should i read "network" as in mobile network? |
| 19:27.34 | Stskeeps | gprs is fine |
| 19:28.05 | Stskeeps | network is anything connecting to internet |
| 19:29.52 | simoneb_ | ok, i mean, i don't have a data plan |
| 19:30.00 | simoneb_ | so, i guess, no navigation for me with the n900 |
| 19:30.19 | simoneb_ | not even if i download the maps |
| 19:30.42 | Stskeeps | n900 is kinda made for a data plan and well worth it |
| 19:31.45 | javispedro | yes, no navigation for you. |
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| 19:32.14 | javispedro | ... unless you buy sygic. |
| 19:33.07 | simoneb_ | ehh, the cheapest dataplan for my operator is in the 80⬠range, i have wifi at home and at work, so it would be really just for the navigation... |
| 19:33.18 | simoneb_ | sygic may be an option at this point |
| 19:33.21 | lcuk | wnats a roamable dataplan |
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| 19:33.42 | lcuk | transfer unlimited local account with you to destination country |
| 19:34.49 | Stskeeps | simoneb_: a small data plan with 250mb or so, or cost of data being in acceptable range |
| 19:35.16 | Stskeeps | gprs usually is contained as a as-you-go cost |
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| 19:35.57 | simoneb_ | pay-as-you-go data plans seems still too advanced for my weird country |
| 19:36.10 | simoneb_ | well, nevermind |
| 19:36.29 | Stskeeps | what country? |
| 19:36.38 | simoneb_ | italy of course! |
| 19:36.56 | Stskeeps | meh, if poland has sane plans.. |
| 19:36.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:38.23 | simoneb_ | poland is maybe the most advanced country in europe regarding internet services |
| 19:38.32 | Stskeeps | doubt it |
| 19:38.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:38.37 | simoneb_ | no, really |
| 19:39.40 | simoneb_ | well, dinner time. thank you. |
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| 19:58.15 | javispedro | oh, SDL doesn't listen to XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent s. |
| 19:58.41 | javispedro | the modes list is generated at startup and never refreshed, so everything crashes on rotation :( |
| 20:08.05 | hrw | hi |
| 20:08.15 | hrw | help I need ;( |
| 20:09.05 | hrw | I use one of Polish sip provider (tlenofon) and maemo5 can login into sip but cannot make any calls. does anyone had similar problem? |
| 20:11.53 | pupnik_ | I have a friend who gie me sip on his box |
| 20:12.01 | pupnik_ | gave |
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| 20:18.03 | hrw | I have public phone number with this account |
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| 20:25.19 | pupnik_ | how bout a POSITIVE LIST for sites which get enabled flash/javascript in micro-b? |
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| 20:29.49 | pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOtENx0QuZM .pnd instant mobile linux software install, and a games/emus collection beyond ours - with no community yet... |
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| 20:47.01 | bnhw | Could someone help me with the LocationAPI? for Maemo 5? I've tried compiling & running the example code on the maemo.org wiki, but it just exits silently when ran. The GPS icon flashes in the control panel, so I assume it's starting gpsd okay. |
| 20:47.44 | jebba | hrw: this is how i did my SIP configuration: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/VoIP |
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| 20:50.03 | sivang | hi all |
| 20:50.05 | sivang | so http://pylauncher.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 20:50.10 | sivang | is actually maemo-launcher ? |
| 20:50.30 | NoobMonk3y | is a fat pig |
| 20:50.42 | mikkov | javispedro: I am uploading tuxracer |
| 20:50.59 | hrw | jebba: will check |
| 20:51.13 | mikkov | gltron should be there |
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| 20:52.26 | jebba | tuxracer? cool. Would be awesome if it used accelerometer :) |
| 20:53.18 | mikkov | it doesn't for now |
| 20:53.54 | lcuk | theres an accel joystick thing isnt there |
| 20:54.05 | lcuk | not sure how integrated with games it will be |
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| 20:56.36 | NoobMonk3y | blinks |
| 20:58.36 | lcuk | NoobMonk3y, still on your way to china? |
| 21:00.03 | NoobMonk3y | lcuk : feel like a chinese man tho! stuffed and at the pub. |
| 21:01.31 | ptl | people |
| 21:01.36 | ptl | tell me |
| 21:01.46 | Corsac | me |
| 21:01.46 | ptl | what's the matter with using a FAT32 partition anyway? |
| 21:01.59 | ptl | it doesn't make windows computers access this partition more easily |
| 21:02.12 | ptl | because Windows doesn't use its block device drivers to access it |
| 21:02.32 | ptl | it access the partition in a higher level, files and directories |
| 21:02.43 | Corsac | ptl: it still accesses a filesystem, you know? |
| 21:02.59 | Corsac | well, it does indeed access a block device |
| 21:03.03 | Corsac | virtual maybe, but still |
| 21:03.07 | Tuxprobe | how the hell do i reset the failed installation of samba?? |
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| 21:05.19 | ptl | Corsac: hmm... via USB Mass storage? |
| 21:07.40 | Corsac | yes |
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| 21:08.05 | cpscotti | Hey.. is there a dummy package for the n900/maemo for installing all the "factory" packages? |
| 21:08.21 | cpscotti | someone here did a VERY bit apt-get remove --purge |
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| 21:11.50 | bnhw | cpscotti: I'm having a look through my package list |
| 21:12.23 | cpscotti | bnhw: thanks.. I look for the package with the biggest list of dependencies in a way |
| 21:15.43 | bnhw | cpscotti: I could give you a complete list of my installed packages |
| 21:15.52 | bnhw | But that might be a bit overkill |
| 21:16.05 | cpscotti | bnhw: I found a "Maemo5" package in app manager |
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| 21:16.16 | cpscotti | (I couldnt find with apt-cache search |
| 21:16.18 | bnhw | Aha. Did it work? |
| 21:16.21 | cpscotti | maybe this is the trick |
| 21:16.22 | cpscotti | dunno |
| 21:16.24 | cpscotti | lets see |
| 21:16.31 | cpscotti | it is installing |
| 21:16.54 | cpscotti | but he's not very happr |
| 21:18.17 | cpscotti | and now its restarting..or everything will be ok or I won't even have a desktop.. |
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| 21:18.57 | bnhw | cpscotti: Well, there's always reflash. |
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| 21:19.17 | cpscotti | ok.. then I have another problem.. is there a flasher tool for 64bit linux? |
| 21:19.27 | cpscotti | vc reflashing was my first idea.. but.. |
| 21:19.39 | bnhw | Yeah, I've flashed from 64-bit Ubuntu |
| 21:19.47 | cpscotti | =]] |
| 21:20.11 | bnhw | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 21:21.05 | bnhw | It's a 32-bit binary, but it works |
| 21:21.44 | cpscotti | (ps: everything seems ok! and usable again.. seems that the "Maemo5" package on the appmanager does the trick) |
| 21:21.49 | cpscotti | thanks bnhw |
| 21:21.54 | cpscotti | I'll have to use it soon |
| 21:22.04 | bnhw | : ) |
| 21:22.18 | cpscotti | ah.. u had to do the "force architecture" trick then.. right? |
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| 21:22.33 | bnhw | No, I just used the .tar.gz |
| 21:23.12 | cpscotti | ahh.. ok then |
| 21:23.20 | cpscotti | thanks ! |
| 21:23.26 | cpscotti | well.. gotta go |
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| 21:26.27 | mmarc__ | hi |
| 21:26.41 | bnhw | 'allo |
| 21:27.26 | mmarc__ | so, reflashing affects only internal 256MB, not the whole flash memory. I'm looking for a way to reset the whole flash memory. Could we format it or whatever? |
| 21:28.47 | bnhw | mmarc__: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 ? |
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| 21:33.33 | mmarc__ | bnhw: well, "Flasing the eMMC resets the MyDocs folder contents to factory settings." - that's not true, both Music and Radio folders I've created in MyDocs were there AFTER REFLASHING, as well as all their contents. Maybe bad reflashing?.. |
| 21:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely |
| 21:34.18 | mmarc__ | absolutely what? |
| 21:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | bad flashing |
| 21:34.47 | bnhw | mmarc__: Well, you could always use dd |
| 21:34.51 | bnhw | ;) |
| 21:35.05 | mmarc__ | I performed sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
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| 21:35.37 | satmd | or the data was on a mmc |
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| 21:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | which exactly flashed your rootfs and kept the eMMC, aiui |
| 21:37.29 | satmd | oh |
| 21:37.36 | satmd | doc is right, me not |
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| 21:37.59 | mmarc__ | now I'm in a loss: wiki doc says MyDocs will be reflashed, now you say rootfs will be, and eMMC kept? What's the difference?.. |
| 21:38.01 | satmd | mmarc__: there's a seperate flash with EMMC in its name, only that one resets the emmc |
| 21:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | check VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin vs _PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 21:38.14 | satmd | and the wiki says so, too |
| 21:39.13 | mmarc__ | damn, I'm pretty blind, sorry |
| 21:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | c&p goes a long way ;-P |
| 21:39.45 | mmarc__ | so, I've flashed only root thing, not MyDocs, ahs |
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| 21:50.01 | pupnik | any cebit visitors here? |
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| 21:59.20 | heoa | can you run nmap, screen, vim and mutt well in n810? I mean if you have installed debian or similar to it? |
| 22:01.00 | heoa | just wondering how easy it is to break n810 eg with nmap, experiences? |
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| 22:05.42 | ShadowJK | i dont think you need debian for nmap, screen and vim |
| 22:05.56 | ShadowJK | has screen on n810 atleast |
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| 22:06.14 | ShadowJK | bindkey -d ^@ stuff ^? |
| 22:06.19 | ShadowJK | put that in ~/.screenrc |
| 22:06.25 | ShadowJK | makes backspace work in screen |
| 22:08.07 | heoa | ShadowJK: you mean, you can really get a real shell, no .. emulation like on droids? |
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| 22:08.55 | ShadowJK | heoa, x-terminal comes installed by default |
| 22:09.05 | ShadowJK | it's a real terminal, although it's busybox sh |
| 22:09.40 | ShadowJK | Once you add the maemo.org extras repository, you can install "rootsh" from the Application Manager, after that you can type "sudo gainroot" to get rootshell. apt-get is installed. |
| 22:10.25 | ShadowJK | I take it you don't have an N810? :-) |
| 22:11.14 | ShadowJK | I don't see mutt in the maemo.org repository, but screen, nmap and vim is there |
| 22:11.43 | ShadowJK | There's also a thing called "easy debian" which lets you run full debian in a chroot |
| 22:12.11 | heoa | ShadowJK: nope but soon have cos many crontabs crawling the internet :P |
| 22:12.28 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 22:13.26 | heoa | ShadowJK: looking for a cheap second hand phone but had to have some fun in automating it, too bored in using the online stores manually :) |
| 22:13.42 | ShadowJK | N810 doesn't have gsm/3g |
| 22:13.52 | ptl | screen, nmap, vim and irssi are there |
| 22:13.57 | ptl | mutt... good point |
| 22:14.22 | ptl | heoa: N900 is a real linux, if you're used to Uuntu you'll feel at home |
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| 22:14.39 | ShadowJK | Well he was asking about N810 earlier :-) |
| 22:14.46 | ptl | oh, sorry |
| 22:15.02 | ShadowJK | 770, N800 and N810 have no GSM/3G. N900 is the newest and has gsm and 3g. |
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| 22:15.21 | pupnik | i would still love the n810 but the pressure point and spacing on n900 keyboard is so much better |
| 22:15.30 | ShadowJK | You can make SIP/VoIP and Skype calls on N810 though |
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| 22:18.00 | heoa | ptl: "real linux"? Does it mean that n810 is some emulation hack or something else? |
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| 22:21.58 | ShadowJK | heoa, N810 is "real linux" too |
| 22:22.20 | heoa | ptl: using Mutt in n810? |
| 22:22.40 | heoa | ShadowJK: have to get it then quickly |
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| 22:23.07 | ptl | heoa: it means that it is linux, just compiled for ARM. Not like e.g. Android that is heavily modified, no X, no GTK+, no QT |
| 22:23.11 | pupnik | it uses an arm cpu so you dont run x86 distros... |
| 22:23.11 | ShadowJK | heoa, you know that N810 isn't a phone, right? :) |
| 22:23.15 | ptl | heoa: I am not using mutt right now, but it wouldn't be a bad idea :) |
| 22:23.24 | ShadowJK | N810 has X and GTK |
| 22:23.29 | ptl | yeah |
| 22:23.33 | ptl | N810 is a real linux |
| 22:24.02 | heoa | ptl: so you can get it just through apt-get? |
| 22:25.09 | ShadowJK | Install rootsh from application manager to get root, open x-terminal, "sudo gainroot", apt-get install screen |
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| 22:26.58 | heoa | ShadowJK: "apt-get install mutt" meant? |
| 22:27.40 | ShadowJK | mutt isn't in the repositories :/ |
| 22:27.59 | heoa | ShadowJK: well can you compile from sources? |
| 22:28.55 | ShadowJK | Well in theory you can install gcc, some have done this |
| 22:29.07 | ShadowJK | but the root filesystem / is a bit small for it, so it's easier to do it with the SDK |
| 22:31.14 | ptl | heoa: yes |
| 22:31.46 | ptl | ShadowJK: it should be easy to compile it |
| 22:32.04 | ptl | hey, what's the best PC Suite replacement in linux? |
| 22:32.30 | lcuk | ssh |
| 22:32.33 | Arkenoi | never used pc suite |
| 22:32.39 | Arkenoi | even with symbian |
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| 22:33.16 | heoa | ptl: $ apt-get source mutt; $ cd dirMutt; $ make ; ready? |
| 22:34.12 | ptl | heoa: apt-get source mutt; cd dirMutt; dpkg-buildpackage ; cd .. ; maemo-optify-deb mutt-xxx-armel.deb. Ready |
| 22:34.45 | ptl | maemo-optify-deb just moves some files around to better integrate in the maemo filesystem hierarchy |
| 22:35.28 | ptl | it's a 79-line shell script, not rocket science... |
| 22:39.18 | heoa | ptl: ShadowJK Thank you. |
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| 22:40.04 | ptl | yw |
| 22:41.40 | ShadowJK | maemo-optify isn't relevant for N810 |
| 22:42.22 | pupnik | nice - adding libavcodec and 52omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti broke media player mp3 playback |
| 22:44.23 | Arkenoi | btw there are "pidgin protocols for contacts and conversations" and "extra protocols for contacts and conversation" which seem to support similar protocol set. Is it safe to delete one of those, and which one? |
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| 22:54.41 | lcuk | hey javispedro \o |
| 22:54.56 | javispedro | hello lcuk |
| 22:55.00 | javispedro | enjoying the gles book? |
| 22:55.01 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:55.13 | lcuk | not have a chance today |
| 22:55.33 | lcuk | i hve the multi texture example running tho |
| 22:55.55 | lcuk | need to learn how it used shaders properly tho |
| 22:55.56 | javispedro | ah, interesting |
| 22:56.36 | bnhw | Just plunged into OpenGL ES 2 myself : ) |
| 22:56.46 | lcuk | wants to see how easy rgb yuv shader based conversion would work |
| 22:57.24 | javispedro | I've now seen it done more than once |
| 22:57.30 | lcuk | yeah me too |
| 22:57.49 | lcuk | would be nice to see how quickly it can be done |
| 22:57.57 | lcuk | and whether it will run on a 1.1 |
| 22:58.14 | javispedro | considering it would eat quite a bunch of bandwidth |
| 22:58.25 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.42 | javispedro | but maybe you get tearfree rendering at least :) |
| 22:58.51 | lcuk | i have it! |
| 22:58.56 | javispedro | with xv, I know |
| 22:58.56 | lcuk | i think |
| 22:59.05 | javispedro | that's why I am saying that :) |
| 22:59.39 | lcuk | im thinking of taking the normal rgb framebuffer and squashing it through |
| 22:59.47 | lcuk | its the job the IVA on the n810 should be used for |
| 22:59.56 | javispedro | ah, the IVA :S |
| 23:00.04 | lcuk | on 900 its less practical because the pvr is in use |
| 23:00.22 | lcuk | and would cause its own bottlenecks to render itself then also render rgb->yuv |
| 23:00.45 | ShadowJK | I think xvideo sneaks past the pvr |
| 23:00.50 | javispedro | it does |
| 23:00.57 | lcuk | just a mind exercise but would like to see how much power is behind the shader calculators |
| 23:00.57 | javispedro | omapfb also does afaiu |
| 23:01.14 | ShadowJK | is there more than one shader? :) |
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| 23:01.40 | javispedro | hm.. I never tried, but I wouldn't assume more than one. |
| 23:01.46 | lcuk | ShadowJK, graphics cards on larger machines have hundreds of shader cells, i dunno how many are on this chip actually |
| 23:01.50 | javispedro | another texture unit... |
| 23:02.03 | javispedro | the iphone had two iirc |
| 23:02.22 | ShadowJK | I think my graphics card in my desktop has 64 |
| 23:02.27 | javispedro | (sorry I am talking from an API/logical PoV, dunno about the real hw) |
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| 23:12.26 | SpeedEvil | whois 74.125.4.25 |
| 23:12.31 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:14.53 | javispedro | god |
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| 23:25.43 | lbt | jebba: ping |
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| 23:28.04 | jebba | lbt: pong |
| 23:28.20 | lbt | you were wondering about builders... |
| 23:28.34 | jebba | si? |
| 23:28.46 | lbt | anything in particular? |
| 23:29.08 | lbt | you have an OBS up and running iirc |
| 23:29.10 | jebba | Well, i know it's OBS. What distro/release are they running it on? And can I have copies of the configs :) |
| 23:29.29 | jebba | And the current rootfs they are using ;) |
| 23:29.47 | lbt | so I can talk about what I'm doing with OBS |
| 23:29.53 | jebba | ok |
| 23:29.58 | lbt | which isn't quite meego |
| 23:30.07 | jebba | mkay |
| 23:30.09 | lbt | but that should get clarified this week |
| 23:30.20 | lbt | it's all converging :) |
| 23:30.30 | lbt | base distro is opensuse 11.2 |
| 23:30.36 | jebba | perhaps writeup to list? Even a short status update about it would be most welcome by many, i assume. :) |
| 23:30.40 | jebba | oh noes, but ok. |
| 23:30.59 | lbt | yeah - so that would be an interesting place to look at porting... |
| 23:31.17 | lbt | and I was going to ask if you were doing anything around that? |
| 23:31.29 | lbt | there's an ubuntu port of the worker |
| 23:32.00 | pupnik | lbt finally something one can think about concretely |
| 23:32.06 | jebba | oh, i dont feel like porting OBS to a .deb, if that's what you're asking. If you mean porting things to OpenSUSE/rpm/thereabouts, i've started a bit already. |
| 23:32.50 | lbt | I did mean that - it's a packaging job and would allow OBS to be easily run on more machines without an 11.2 VM install needed |
| 23:32.58 | jebba | But you have and OBS building arm .rpms at this point? |
| 23:32.59 | lbt | not that many of us need that |
| 23:33.12 | lbt | I don't |
| 23:33.26 | lbt | I'm building x86 rpms and arm .debs |
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| 23:33.42 | lbt | there is ARM work happening but I know nothing :) |
| 23:34.02 | jebba | ya, so at this point i'm mostly in a holding pattern :) |
| 23:34.21 | lbt | pretty much - but you can rely on OBS 1.7 being the builder |
| 23:35.03 | lbt | and as soon as it appears you can see the prjconf |
| 23:35.22 | lbt | I personally don't see any of this yet internally |
| 23:35.43 | jebba | ok, thx nice to know :) |
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| 23:36.21 | lbt | I'm allowed to say I'm the obs architect for the maemo internal obs though |
| 23:36.53 | lbt | so we're developing things like LDAP integration, access control etc |
| 23:37.00 | jebba | cool |
| 23:37.09 | jebba | OBS + openid would be nice |
| 23:37.30 | lbt | sounds like a plan - I'm waiting for the SSO proposal |
| 23:37.35 | lbt | I'm still asking meego.org OBS people about the public obs too |
| 23:37.36 | jebba | i also think OBS+utility computing / cloud computing would be a great combo. |
| 23:37.49 | lbt | <grin> it's interesting |
| 23:37.53 | lbt | I wish I had time |
| 23:37.56 | jebba | gotta have public OBS. |
| 23:38.05 | SpeedEvil | lbt: openntpd is in extras |
| 23:38.06 | lbt | yeah - I want policy on that |
| 23:38.24 | lbt | eg if nokia have a closed api/lib |
| 23:38.34 | lbt | can I build on the meego obs and link it |
| 23:38.48 | lbt | ie is there a finnish quarter ;) |
| 23:38.56 | jebba | heh |
| 23:39.13 | Arif_ | good evening! |
| 23:39.15 | lbt | I mentioned it in the meego meeting - the sub-area comments etc |
| 23:39.49 | lbt | not heard a proper answer |
| 23:39.55 | lbt | o/ Arif_ |
| 23:40.01 | Arif_ | sup \o |
| 23:42.11 | GAN900 | lbt, probably isn't one. ;) |
| 23:42.24 | lbt | true GAN900 |
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| 23:45.21 | GAN900 | lbt, which is half the problem of the whole damn thing, but oh well. |
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| 23:52.57 | wizkoder | UniTrans[14297]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 23:52.57 | wizkoder | UniTrans[14297]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - Can't set a parent on a toplevel widget |
| 23:52.57 | wizkoder | I get this in all my programs. Is it normal? (In scratchbox) |
| 23:53.44 | bnhw | wizkoder: are you prefixing it with 'run-standalone.sh'? |
| 23:53.52 | wizkoder | yes |
| 23:54.40 | wizkoder | my hello world runs but gives out this messages too |
| 23:55.08 | swc|666 | can someone pastebin their /etc/modprobe.d/maemo.conf ? </favor> |
| 23:57.16 | bnhw | swc|666: pastebin.com/2S2Ai40c |
| 23:57.45 | bnhw | swc|666: Uh, first line is missing an 'a' at the start |
| 23:58.15 | swc|666 | bnhw, many thx! |
| 23:58.20 | wizkoder | when I try to run the "qt gui application" the qt creator always creates which does nothing except opening a window. I get. "/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11: 14952 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$@" |
| 23:58.20 | wizkoder | " |
