| 00:00.18 | lardman | full of handy utility classes my arse |
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| 00:01.14 | n00bmonk3y | :) |
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| 00:02.18 | fnordianslip | its probably a bazillian times better than using MFC though |
| 00:02.36 | lardman | no doubt, but would be faster to write this in asm |
| 00:03.23 | fnordianslip | my favourite instruction is EIEIO |
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| 00:04.04 | lardman | nothing to do with a farm ;) |
| 00:04.30 | fnordianslip | they must have had the song in mind |
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| 00:05.19 | FIQ | the only thing i miss with the N900 is a N64 emulator |
| 00:05.37 | FIQ | else than that, awesome |
| 00:05.57 | FIQ | anyway |
| 00:06.03 | Wizzup | So if noone uses wpa_supplicant, how do you guys connect to PEAP wireless networks? |
| 00:06.18 | FIQ | MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light 20 |
| 00:06.35 | timeless_mbp | looks around |
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| 00:10.42 | n00bmonk3y | blinks |
| 00:10.51 | lardman | hmm, what is up with the qt-maemo channel, tumbleweeds gallore |
| 00:14.49 | n00bmonk3y | no idea, never been in there :P |
| 00:15.39 | fnordianslip | n00bmonk3y, chav'glish, eh? |
| 00:15.44 | lardman | just a bit quiet when I want to ask some questions |
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| 00:17.36 | Wizzup | wonders what nokia's reasoning was when they made their own wifi stuff rather than using wpa_supplicant |
| 00:17.47 | Wizzup | Normally I wouldn't mind, but it simply doesn't work |
| 00:17.55 | lardman | will wonders never cease! it works! |
| 00:17.58 | lardman | it's alive!! |
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| 00:22.35 | n00bmonk3y | lol fnord |
| 00:22.36 | n00bmonk3y | yeah :) |
| 00:22.41 | n00bmonk3y | sorry too many windows open |
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| 00:27.10 | Wizzup | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 Ah... /me waits impatientienly for next update |
| 00:27.11 | povbot | Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth |
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| 00:40.07 | marmoute | ha eduroam |
| 00:40.32 | lardman | night all |
| 00:40.59 | lcuk | n00bmonk3y, i crashed with last nights again |
| 00:44.07 | Wizzup | eduroam is very useful |
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| 01:20.56 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Please join #meego for MeeGo related questions | http://www.maemoit.org/extra/lapide.jpg | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1 |
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| 01:40.42 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Please join #meego for MeeGo related questions | http://www.maemoit.org/extra/lapide.jpg | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1 |
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| 01:52.38 | Askani | Hello |
| 01:52.54 | Askani | can someone explain to me all the meebo fuzz? |
| 01:52.56 | maher | anyone good with fcron? I' having problems getting it to run /etc/cron.daily/* |
| 01:53.22 | crashanddie | Askani: meego? |
| 01:53.40 | Askani | yep |
| 01:53.43 | Askani | thats it |
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| 01:54.28 | Askani | so? |
| 01:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | More specific question? |
| 01:54.56 | crashanddie | Askani: Intel and Nokia have decided to merge forces and bring a new platform to the world. MeeGo will be taking the better parts of Maemo and Moblin to create a platform that will work seamlessly on phones, mobile devices, netbooks... <insert anything else here> |
| 01:54.56 | maher | Askani: suppose you'd heard you were meant to have a smartphone stragey, but were completely overcome by corporate confusion.... |
| 01:55.21 | Askani | just to be sure |
| 01:55.36 | Askani | I mean, Nokia makes us believe that N97 would be great |
| 01:55.40 | Askani | and it isnt |
| 01:55.49 | Askani | really bad piece of technology |
| 01:56.01 | Askani | and two months later, boom N900 |
| 01:56.08 | maher | Askani: when did a company ever make anything and not tell you it was great? |
| 01:56.10 | Askani | Maemo this, maemo that |
| 01:56.21 | Askani | and then, boom meego |
| 01:56.30 | Askani | just getting lost |
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| 01:57.38 | crashanddie | plonker |
| 01:57.46 | phreck | lol, people are still crying? |
| 01:57.47 | crashanddie | maher: please don't feed the trolls |
| 01:58.05 | phreck | i wish they would contribute instead of cry and run to the fruitphone. |
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| 01:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | I wish Nokia would quit poisoning their community. |
| 01:59.17 | crashanddie | I wish people stopped being narrow-minded twats and calling competitors stupid nicknames |
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| 02:06.53 | maher | ok - i don't get it - why can't calling fcrontab -l (as root) look at /etc/fcron.conf? |
| 02:08.01 | phreck | oh cmon |
| 02:08.05 | phreck | fruitphone is funny. |
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| 02:12.45 | maher | bingo - /etc/fcron.conf must be _exactly_ 644 - 640 doesn't work as must check to see if its 644 |
| 02:13.04 | maher | in spite of what the documentation says... |
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| 02:32.33 | pronto | yay, i got a ps3 controller today, and was using it to play snes games on teh n900 :o |
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| 03:24.09 | crashanddie | ~stats |
| 03:24.10 | infobot | Since Thu Mar 4 01:30:25 2010, there have been 1 modification, 8 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 2 commands. I have been awake for 1h 53m 44s this session, and currently reference 116874 factoids. I'm using about 16348 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 139.82/6.16 child 0.33/0.16 |
| 03:24.33 | crashanddie | ~thanks |
| 03:24.33 | infobot | bitte, crashanddie |
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| 03:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | chanserv got funny ideas, no? |
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| 03:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN |
| 03:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 03:27.49 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
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| 03:29.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~uptime |
| 03:30.19 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I told CS to do that :) |
| 03:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 03:30.48 | crashanddie | ~weather brisbane |
| 03:30.57 | crashanddie | :( |
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| 03:33.10 | crashanddie | ~weather YBBN |
| 03:34.20 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: 27C difference :P |
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| 03:37.59 | ptl | ~weather http://maemos.ru/2009/12/20/java-nokia-n900-maemo-5-opera-mini/ ---> java SE and java ME for N900 |
| 03:38.02 | ptl | oops |
| 03:38.04 | ptl | no ~weather line |
| 03:38.05 | ptl | lol |
| 03:40.57 | crashanddie | ptl: java has been working on the N900 for quite a while now |
| 03:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not in .RU ;-P |
| 03:42.28 | ptl | crashanddie: yes, but that's an unified solution, a single zip file. That helps, don't you think? |
| 03:42.31 | ptl | java SE *and* ME |
| 03:42.41 | crashanddie | well |
| 03:42.47 | crashanddie | people who want to use SE rarely want ME |
| 03:42.51 | crashanddie | and vice versa |
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| 04:21.57 | anotnac | just woke up i had strange dream that there was an firmware update on my n900 when i woke i ran to my n900 and dissapointed myself lol i thought my dream was real |
| 04:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | don't you know dreams are about future, not present? |
| 04:23.42 | ShadowJK | morning |
| 04:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | moin |
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| 04:25.05 | crashanddie | "My mother in law broke up my marriage." "How'd that happen?" "Well, my wife came home from work one night, and found us in bed together." |
| 04:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | Special |
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| 04:35.18 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: admit it, you like it |
| 04:35.31 | arachnist | i like it |
| 04:40.39 | anotnac | lol |
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| 04:51.53 | crashanddie | http://www.vodafone.com.au/personal/mobilebroadband/mobile-broadband-prepaid.htm |
| 04:52.03 | crashanddie | look at the price for 4GB and 6GB |
| 04:52.06 | crashanddie | notice anything weird? |
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| 04:56.59 | ali1234 | crashanddie: but it has a 180 day expiry, so you only have to "top up" every 6 months |
| 04:57.20 | crashanddie | so topping up every 6 months is worth losing 2GB of data? |
| 04:57.47 | ali1234 | consider someone who will use 1GB per month |
| 04:58.01 | ali1234 | the 6GB plan will be cheapest for them |
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| 05:02.19 | crashanddie | ali1234: true |
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| 05:10.10 | johnx | hallo |
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| 05:12.40 | johnx | >_< anyone remember if kernel 2.4.19 had a known memory leak (besides the iptables one)? |
| 05:14.56 | arachnist | 2.4.19? |
| 05:15.09 | arachnist | that was like... over 6 years ago |
| 05:15.15 | johnx | 8 years |
| 05:15.16 | arachnist | 8 maybe even |
| 05:15.18 | arachnist | yeah |
| 05:15.20 | johnx | yeah |
| 05:15.23 | arachnist | ;> |
| 05:15.23 | johnx | work related ... |
| 05:16.03 | johnx | I have a linux-based (though mostly closed) NAS that's been up for 257 days and it's grinding to a halt |
| 05:16.18 | johnx | the RSS of all the processes on the machine don't add up to the amount of memory used |
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| 05:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: don't you think it's silly to ask if somebody can count all the flaws of a 8 year old kernel, from top of his head? |
| 05:18.46 | johnx | nah. more like taking a shot in the dark that someone remembers |
| 05:19.22 | johnx | anyways, I should have probably added a <half-joking> to the front of that :) |
| 05:20.27 | johnx | and I figured someone might get a laugh out of the ancient stuff we're using |
| 05:21.08 | crashanddie | johnx: ask it on #linux |
| 05:21.18 | crashanddie | johnx: might be the funzors |
| 05:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: for the laugh it was a success |
| 05:21.38 | crashanddie | actually, I'll do it |
| 05:23.20 | trip0 | man, android is stupid |
| 05:23.43 | johnx | trip0, but cheap |
| 05:24.00 | johnx | it'd make a good motto actually: "Stupid ... but cheap!" |
| 05:24.20 | trip0 | mobile OS's are like prostitutes. you probably don't want cheap. |
| 05:24.56 | johnx | heh. but if you're dead set on a hooker and you only have $150 that kinda limits your options |
| 05:25.17 | johnx | some people would just tell you to save up and get something nice later, but not everyone has the willpower to hold out |
| 05:25.54 | trip0 | then you wake up the next morning next to your droid and you think "why didn't i just save up for the n900?" |
| 05:26.13 | trip0 | ...probably wishing you were still drunk |
| 05:26.47 | johnx | yeah, or you shell out $500 for the N900 and think: maybe I should have gotten a used G1 and $350 of vodka |
| 05:26.58 | arachnist | lol |
| 05:27.06 | mtnbkr | johnx: lol |
| 05:27.10 | arachnist | i'd get a droid... if it had a better keyboard |
| 05:27.32 | arachnist | its keyboard is almoast as bad as typing on a touchscreen |
| 05:27.54 | johnx | I'm thinking of getting a G1 (and $350 of booze) when I have to return my loaner N900 |
| 05:28.16 | johnx | (not actually getting $350 of booze so much as ... food for the month) |
| 05:29.15 | trip0 | seen the G1... not impressed |
| 05:29.25 | johnx | played with one |
| 05:29.35 | johnx | dunno if I'm $350 more impressed with the N900 |
| 05:29.54 | trip0 | i played with the nexus one for 2 weeks |
| 05:30.15 | trip0 | i was definitely $350 more impressed with the n900 |
| 05:30.36 | arachnist | speaking of food... i have to stop buying things, unless i'm going to learn how to eat air... |
| 05:30.53 | johnx | hmm, I'll have to get my hands on a G1 again and see if my vision of the past is just rose tinted ... |
| 05:31.13 | uhsf | i am ~400$ impressed by my n900, but i paid ~800$ for it |
| 05:31.15 | ptl | only have $150? |
| 05:31.16 | microlith | o_O |
| 05:31.21 | johnx | just furnished an apartment from craigslist :> |
| 05:31.25 | ptl | for a hooker? |
| 05:31.31 | trip0 | lol |
| 05:31.41 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, traitorous thoughts! |
| 05:31.43 | ptl | here you can get a hooker for $20, half an hour |
| 05:32.22 | johnx | ptl, well that's the problem right there: half an hour. that's just getting started ... |
| 05:32.30 | RST38h | moo johnx |
| 05:32.41 | MiXu- | Pfft. 5 minutes is plenty! ;)= |
| 05:32.56 | johnx | RST38h, m00f |
| 05:32.57 | trip0 | MiXu-: +1. after 10minutes, i'm already snoozing |
| 05:33.00 | RST38h | So, lemme see, someone betraying his N900 for a hooker? |
| 05:33.05 | MiXu- | trip0 =D |
| 05:33.13 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, eh, dunno how to justify $500 when there are other things on the budget ... |
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| 05:33.26 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, may be cheaper by the time return time rolls around. |
| 05:33.45 | MiXu- | How much does N900 actually sell for in the US at the moment? |
| 05:33.56 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, $350 cheaper in the next couple weeks? |
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| 05:34.17 | trip0 | MiXu-, i hear 400 on ebay |
| 05:34.25 | trip0 | it's 530 on newegg where i got mine |
| 05:34.29 | MiXu- | Alright. That's so wrong. |
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| 05:34.31 | johnx | MiXu-, google says $500 - $530 new |
| 05:34.35 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, G1 sucks, though. |
| 05:34.45 | MiXu- | In europe it's same numbers, but different currency. |
| 05:35.00 | trip0 | seriously, the G1 is stuck in android 1.5 land |
| 05:35.00 | MiXu- | $530 becomes 530e |
| 05:35.18 | MiXu- | (which is $724) |
| 05:35.22 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, if it shows maps and web pages and lets me make phone calls, text messages and IMs I'm pretty much good |
| 05:35.31 | johnx | MiXu-, seems kinda steep |
| 05:36.09 | RST38h | Wait, you are looking for the CHEAPEST tablet phone? |
| 05:36.27 | MiXu- | When N96 hit the stores back in 2008, the price was about $1300 (1e=1,3$) |
| 05:36.32 | johnx | RST38h, cheapest one with a keyboard and linux, essentially |
| 05:36.41 | MiXu- | But only for like the first week or two though |
| 05:37.57 | RST38h | johnx: ah that limits choices |
| 05:37.58 | trip0 | the G1 doesn't run linux |
| 05:38.17 | RST38h | johnx: Are you sure you want Android "linux", to begin with? |
| 05:38.42 | johnx | RST38h, symbian and winmo drive me up the wall, and I'm stuck on t-mobile USA |
| 05:38.42 | trip0 | android is more like "linooks" than Linux |
| 05:38.51 | johnx | trip0, it's "close enough" in most ways |
| 05:39.11 | MiXu- | iPhone is technically linux too ;) |
| 05:39.17 | RST38h | johnx: N900 then. Or suffer for another 9 months and then the next Maemo. |
| 05:39.20 | RST38h | MiXu: FreeBSD. |
| 05:39.26 | johnx | and who knows, maybe I'll hack it up and try some of the patches that recently have been getting into mainline to make the MSM in it work in "real" linux |
| 05:39.29 | MiXu- | Oh, my bad. |
| 05:39.46 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, you missed the part where I have a better use for $350 |
| 05:39.59 | RST38h | johnx: That I can understand, yes |
| 05:40.28 | trip0 | a man must have his principles |
| 05:40.39 | trip0 | ...so he can toss them out the window for cheap booze and hookers |
| 05:40.46 | RST38h | johnx: but is that better use going to be as much fun? =) |
| 05:40.51 | johnx | trip0, I'll drink to that! |
| 05:41.15 | johnx | RST38h, well part of it is going to food and part is going to an HDTV, sooo I'd have to say yes |
| 05:41.40 | johnx | anyways, I'm not giving up on maemo/meego, just the N900 hardware ;) |
| 05:41.41 | RST38h | johnx: I would screw HDTV off the list |
| 05:41.46 | ptl | is it possible to reformat MyDocs as an ext2/ext3 partition? |
| 05:42.03 | RST38h | johnx: No, really. After considering all the benefits. |
| 05:42.44 | johnx | RST38h, then call it a $150 (used) 36" monitor that I can use for watching movies with my wife |
| 05:43.09 | RST38h | (and, btw, I probably canot insist on N900 specifically, but Droid or Nexus will still be way better than the G1) |
| 05:43.29 | RST38h | johnx: Ah |
| 05:43.31 | RST38h | ok |
| 05:43.53 | johnx | 225lbs of CRT lovin' |
| 05:43.55 | ptl | Droid has its partitions cryptographically signed, you can't change system software |
| 05:44.08 | johnx | ptl, that and being on verizon are a big strike against it |
| 05:44.13 | RST38h | johnx: Which brings up a question of whether N900 et al are available used? |
| 05:44.23 | RST38h | ptl: Oh =( |
| 05:44.24 | microlith | ptl: err, I doubt that's true |
| 05:44.32 | ptl | so instead of the usual half-baked openness of android you'll have a quarter-baked android |
| 05:44.34 | microlith | unless that doesn't apply to the kernel |
| 05:45.13 | johnx | microlith, why? tivo does the same thing... |
| 05:45.14 | ptl | microlith: ok, i confess that I didn't dig deeper into the subject, I trusted a friend who's a technical guy and has a motorola droid |
| 05:45.57 | microlith | because I work with guys who've taken the Droid and installed a custom kernel on it |
| 05:45.58 | ptl | But motorola traditionally locks up their phones tight |
| 05:46.04 | microlith | ptl: aware of that |
| 05:46.29 | ptl | maybe they got some hack to do it, some workaround |
| 05:46.30 | johnx | RST38h, lowest is $465 on fleabay |
| 05:46.44 | microlith | ptl: entirely possible, the Droid has been rooted iirc |
| 05:47.26 | RST38h | tivo...feh |
| 05:47.39 | RST38h | johnx: Have they reenabled ad skipping in tivo? |
| 05:48.21 | johnx | RST38h, I have no idea. I'm pretty disillusioned with them overall though |
| 05:48.45 | ptl | microlith: that was the matter, he told me that due to the encryption, even with root access you couldn't do modifications on the root partition (or something like that) |
| 05:49.07 | microlith | ptl: weird, I'll ask about it tomorrow |
| 05:49.19 | microlith | wouldn't surprise me, and makes me happy I ignored the Droid (and verizon) |
| 05:49.29 | RST38h | Verizon is good |
| 05:49.36 | RST38h | In terms of signal reception |
| 05:49.38 | microlith | sure |
| 05:49.44 | RST38h | The rest is...mhm |
| 05:49.46 | johnx | also good at charging a lot of money |
| 05:49.54 | RST38h | johnx: they are all good at that |
| 05:50.11 | johnx | t-mo US is worse at both :) |
| 05:50.19 | RST38h | johnx: the only solution is to charge your employer a lot of money, preferably on hourly basis |
| 05:50.41 | johnx | working on that :) |
| 05:50.45 | ptl | The Droid is a very good device hardware-wise and Android has some merits too |
| 05:50.52 | ptl | it is really beautiful |
| 05:50.55 | ptl | but |
| 05:51.06 | RST38h | ptl: keyboard does suck a bit |
| 05:51.28 | johnx | RST38h, actually, my employer offered to pay my phone bill, but I have a feeling that comes with certain expectations of being on-call, etc |
| 05:51.31 | ptl | it has problems, I got three friends with Motorola Droid, and it can be a coincidence, but they're all geeks and confessed to be disappointed with the device |
| 05:51.54 | ptl | RST38h: but it has four rows, one row more than the N900, I thought it was good when I tried my friend's droid |
| 05:52.36 | RST38h | johnx: Of course. Besides, the guy may always start analyzing your call logs for private calls no related to work |
| 05:53.00 | johnx | RST38h, nah. I'd have to set that up for him ... |
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| 05:54.00 | RST38h | ptl: Felt like a piece of flat plastic film to me =) But yes, 4 rows at least |
| 05:54.34 | RST38h | hopes Maemo Devices will not make the same mistake twice |
| 05:54.49 | johnx | the mistake of including a keyboard? |
| 05:54.55 | johnx | remember how they fixed the dpad? |
| 05:55.04 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, that's true |
| 05:55.20 | RST38h | johnx: But they did add the arrow buttons, at least for americans, so not all is bad |
| 05:55.50 | johnx | granted, the d-pad was actually bad enough on the N800 that the arrows almost feel like an improvement |
| 05:56.13 | johnx | but really, d-pads are not that hard...the whole situation boggles the mind... |
| 05:56.34 | RST38h | johnx: It is weird how everyone mourns the dpad but nobody notices that the basic operaions (running an app, switching between apps) also became harder |
| 05:57.10 | johnx | I noticed. using the shutter button via camkeyd helps a lot though |
| 05:57.11 | RST38h | johnx: task switch was made with 1 touch in Maemo4, in Maemo5 it is 2 touches + some waiting for task switcher to show up |
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| 05:57.43 | RST38h | johnx: and running an app is 3 touches *and* a slide *and* another touch |
| 05:57.54 | microlith | RST38h: but that required screen real estate, no? |
| 05:58.08 | microlith | (and woe be he that does not put frequently used apps directly on the desktop) |
| 05:58.08 | RST38h | yes |
| 05:59.29 | RST38h | which effectively hides the other apps from me :) |
| 06:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | worst brainfuck is taskswitcher doesn't work via kbd anymore |
| 06:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Er, doesn't? |
| 06:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | Works here |
| 06:02.53 | GeneralAntilles | camkeyd is really useful too |
| 06:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | UHUH! how? |
| 06:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | ctrl-backspace? |
| 06:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | and THEN? |
| 06:03.29 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, push the keyboard back in and tap on the screen. :) |
| 06:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 06:03.50 | johnx | pulls out the marketing book |
| 06:03.54 | johnx | "touchscreens are the future" |
| 06:04.12 | RST38h | capacitive touchscreens! |
| 06:04.15 | RST38h | hehe |
| 06:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | touchscreens are A PITA both to use and to clean |
| 06:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | and NO I *do not* want a c-ts |
| 06:05.16 | johnx | capacitive *buttons* are awesome actually :) my parents' TV set from the 80's (still working) has 13 capacitive channel selector buttons on the front |
| 06:05.22 | johnx | tries to find a pic ... |
| 06:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I hate them |
| 06:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | You can never find the right one. |
| 06:05.57 | GeneralAntilles | Switching inputs on my Samsung 2343bwx is an unholy pain |
| 06:05.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, you've never even *met* my parents. bit harsh O_o; |
| 06:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | I have my mouse charging stand set so the input switching button is just to the right of it |
| 06:06.19 | RST38h | johnx: non-tactile stuff is still kinda problematic :( |
| 06:06.24 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise I hit Auto all the time. |
| 06:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | I hardly use the mouse on my PC. TS is a botch replacement for a mouse. So WTF would I want to use TS? If I got a kbd |
| 06:06.38 | RST38h | looks futuristic like hell but problematic to use |
| 06:06.44 | johnx | RST38h, actually the buttons were raised and had the numbers clearly written next to them |
| 06:06.50 | RST38h | another little details sf writes guessed wrong |
| 06:06.57 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, that changes things |
| 06:07.10 | johnx | basically it looked like 13 little - |
| 06:07.18 | johnx | on the front of the TV to the right of the screen |
| 06:07.18 | RST38h | s/details/details s/writes/writers shit I hate this keyoard |
| 06:07.32 | johnx | you could flip channels like you would slide your finger over a piano |
| 06:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: clearly a great advantage for blind people at least (yes, even blind use TV) |
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| 06:07.50 | RST38h | johnx: Funny, late Soviet color TVs had the same touch selector |
| 06:08.07 | johnx | cool. this one was probably American made though |
| 06:08.26 | RST38h | either copied or somehow oscillated to the same design |
| 06:08.52 | johnx | oh, I took a pic I think... |
| 06:09.48 | johnx | http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/4135486786/sizes/o/ |
| 06:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | c-ts is absolutely optimized to be a replacement for a hw keyboard (like 9 button kbd) |
| 06:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | all the useful aspects of a r-ts are gone with c-ts |
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| 06:12.43 | DocScrutinizer | on N810 I had not to use the ts for a whole day of working with it. N900 you rather can dismiss the kbd than the ts :-( |
| 06:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | epic fail of GUI designers |
| 06:13.42 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 06:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | moi Stskeeps |
| 06:14.11 | johnx | mornin' Stskeeps |
| 06:14.16 | RST38h | ehlo Stskeeps |
| 06:17.20 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles is right again. |
| 06:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, even windoze eventually learnt you might want a kbd shortcut for just everything. Maemo5 ingores that |
| 06:22.06 | ShadowJK | I think windows removed the underlining of letters in menus thing |
| 06:22.11 | RST38h | Doc: Well, file a few bugzilla trackers and show them to konttori |
| 06:22.27 | RST38h | It is not like Maemo5 entirely lacks shortcuts but their use is inconsistent |
| 06:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 06:22.38 | RST38h | Some will be fixed in PR1.2, if I understand correctly |
| 06:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | see ctrl-bs, but then missing arrow keys and space/enter to select a task |
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| 06:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | also a consistent way to invoke menus |
| 06:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | N810 had menu button |
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| 06:24.52 | ml-mobile | ShadowJK: it hides them until you hit the alt key by default |
| 06:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | QT (3?) has an automatism for that (alt shortcuts). I really hope they won't kick that for maemo5 |
| 06:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | anyway even that won't help for the missing menu key/shortcut |
| 06:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | nor for the taskswitcher |
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| 06:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | err s/maemo5/maemo6/ |
| 06:31.17 | Trizt | will there be a 6? |
| 06:31.55 | johnx | Trizt, yes |
| 06:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | well I heard a lot of the maemo taskforce is working on maemo6 already. Whether it's calle maemo or meego in the end, who knows |
| 06:32.36 | Trizt | nods |
| 06:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | who cares! |
| 06:33.21 | Trizt | as long as it begins on an 'm', it's the same ;) |
| 06:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | m*o :-P |
| 06:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | moblin genes were recessive there XP |
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| 06:35.18 | johnx | take one 'o' from maemo and one from moblin and call it 'moo' |
| 06:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | evolution at it's best |
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| 06:46.06 | Stskeeps | did you people catch http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one yet? |
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| 06:51.03 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yes, it tells us absolutely nothing new. |
| 06:51.19 | GeneralAntilles | notes he misspelled Niels. |
| 06:51.28 | ShadowJK | It's a nice summary confirmation of the pieces of puzzle |
| 06:52.49 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: that first port is for N900 is pretty new |
| 06:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, meh. |
| 06:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | Not anything particularly mind boggling. |
| 06:53.45 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you're hard to please :P |
| 06:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | Nor does to do anything for the Harmattan/N900 issue. |
| 06:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, well. |
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| 06:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | well, at least it's been about time some statement was published. Not read to the last line yet, and seems I'll be disappointed |
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| 08:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: hi! welcome back again |
| 08:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: say hi! |
| 08:07.49 | infobot | hi! |
| 08:08.22 | cehteh | *yawn* |
| 08:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~poke cehteh |
| 08:08.54 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cehteh, pokes cehteh repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 08:09.17 | cehteh | ~puke DocScrutinizer |
| 08:09.18 | infobot | ACTION , while sick, attempts to make it to the porcelain god and pukes all over harleypig |
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| 08:10.11 | cehteh | hm .. :P |
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| 08:13.31 | tybollt | ~kill tybollt |
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| 08:13.52 | cehteh | no suicide protection? |
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| 08:22.16 | n00bmonk3y | waves up |
| 08:22.21 | n00bmonk3y | wakes up * |
| 08:22.34 | n00bmonk3y | woah way to early |
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| 08:23.08 | marmoute | ~slap n00bmonk3y |
| 08:23.09 | infobot | ACTION slaps n00bmonk3y, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 08:23.24 | tybollt | ~wake n00bmonk3y |
| 08:23.25 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on n00bmonk3y and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 08:23.41 | n00bmonk3y | blinks |
| 08:24.00 | mece | hmm-. aptitude upgrade over 3g 384kbps might have been a bad idea... |
| 08:24.07 | n00bmonk3y | 2 slaps, a bucket of water and a ~wake? lol! |
| 08:24.17 | n00bmonk3y | lol mece |
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| 08:26.02 | mece | are there any open source office readers for maemo? |
| 08:26.13 | mord | hmm. what's the latest pr build? |
| 08:26.26 | mord | 3.2010.02-8? |
| 08:26.28 | n00bmonk3y | 1.1.1, depends where you are |
| 08:26.42 | n00bmonk3y | doesnt docs on the go that comes on the device count? or do you watn the code? lol |
| 08:27.16 | mece | n00bmonkey3y, it's not free I understand. |
| 08:27.22 | n00bmonk3y | yup mord |
| 08:27.27 | n00bmonk3y | :) |
| 08:27.30 | n00bmonk3y | oh well |
| 08:27.45 | mord | right. ty. |
| 08:28.16 | n00bmonk3y | still depends where you are |
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| 08:28.24 | n00bmonk3y | not released in the UK yet |
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| 08:35.11 | mece | is extras down? |
| 08:35.30 | mece | oh nvrmind |
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| 08:43.32 | The_Tall1 | Hi has anybody compiled rdflib to diablo? |
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| 08:50.18 | n00bmonk3y | the quietness may mean no :P |
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| 08:51.58 | The_Tall1 | or everbody shiffers, cause its scary :( |
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| 08:54.51 | The_Tall1 | the python-egg installation is no problem with gcc-4.3 on i386 but using a cross-compiler ended in "processor doesn't support <assembler code>" or basic stdout.h was missing |
| 08:55.16 | The_Tall1 | Not my kind of fun in scratchbox |
| 08:56.11 | mece | The_Tall1, did you clean it between builds? |
| 08:57.02 | The_Tall1 | no but used different dir for the object files |
| 08:57.39 | mece | fun times. |
| 08:58.07 | The_Tall1 | mece: Between which builds? |
| 08:59.03 | mece | The_Tall1, well i had a similar problem when i compiled something in i386, then the same thing in armel |
| 08:59.12 | mece | "make clean" helped. |
| 08:59.23 | mece | and configure |
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| 09:00.43 | The_Tall1 | mece: thanks for this hint. |
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| 09:05.48 | jacekowski | good morning |
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| 09:27.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:46.47 | The_Tall1 | mece: thanks again got rdflib installed in scratchbox. Now have to build a debian package. Might become interesting |
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| 09:51.35 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:51.42 | Jaffa | Ah, I did that. |
| 09:52.36 | The_Tall1 | Jaffa: Do you have a debian package for armel devices? |
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| 09:57.43 | mece | The_Tall1, cool! |
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| 10:05.02 | Jaffa | The_Tall1: Of? |
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| 10:17.45 | The_Tall1 | no shower |
| 10:18.10 | tybollt | no? |
| 10:18.36 | tybollt | can you atleast use deodorant? You kind of smell :( |
| 10:19.49 | lcuk | Jaffa, going senile i see! good mornin to you |
| 10:20.03 | lcuk | i hope there is going to be a weekly news item about the lardman fix |
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| 10:21.04 | The_Tall1 | Jaffa: No just got back |
| 10:21.18 | homeasvs_ | in wiki.maemo.org, how can I contact an author of a wiki page ? |
| 10:21.29 | homeasvs_ | clicking on his name, or the talk link next to it, just takes me to pages that don't exist |
| 10:21.47 | SpeedEvil | create the page |
| 10:21.59 | SpeedEvil | they may notice |
| 10:22.16 | SpeedEvil | or find the linked talk.maemo.org page and send them a message |
| 10:22.25 | SpeedEvil | or if they're on IRC, ping them |
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| 10:27.25 | pupnik | ~ |
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| 10:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~! |
| 10:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~~ |
| 10:29.23 | infobot | well, ~ is the key |
| 10:30.36 | tybollt | ~slap self |
| 10:30.36 | infobot | ACTION slaps self, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 10:30.36 | Jaffa | The_Tall1: You were asking about Debian armel packages |
| 10:31.03 | The_Tall1 | Jaffa: Yes |
| 10:32.31 | The_Tall1 | Jaffa:Building a package out of the rdflib python-egg |
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| 10:34.25 | The_Tall1 | Jaffa: Is dh_make and fixing rules, control and makefile the only way? |
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| 10:48.34 | V13 | Hello. Is "Attila Csipa" here ? |
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| 10:54.59 | V13 | do you know if pyqt4 is in extras ? |
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| 11:05.27 | lcuk | V13, you can check |
| 11:06.46 | V13 | i did and i found: not |
| 11:07.00 | lcuk | then there is your answer |
| 11:07.22 | V13 | but then again, atilla77 which is the maintainer of pyqt4 asked me if i'm going to promote wifieye to extras which depends on pyqt4 |
| 11:07.30 | lcuk | im not sure what the qt and extras arrangement will be post 1.2, hopefully it will be simpler - X-Fade do you have any idea |
| 11:07.42 | X-Fade | V13: That does no matter, it gets promoted as a dependency. |
| 11:07.56 | V13 | X-Fade: even if we're talking about pyqt4 ? |
| 11:08.08 | V13 | i understand this for all other libraries, but pyqt4 too ? :-) |
| 11:08.10 | X-Fade | V13: Well, there is the PR1.2 thingie ;) |
| 11:08.20 | V13 | hmm.. perhaps i should check qt4 instead of pyqt4 |
| 11:08.24 | V13 | X-Fade: Exactly :-) |
| 11:08.50 | V13 | oh... problem solved. |
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| 11:09.10 | V13 | qt4 4.5.3 comes from nokia, so there is no reason not to promote pyqt4 when needed. |
| 11:09.57 | X-Fade | qt5 4.5.3 is on < PR1.2 devices by default. |
| 11:10.02 | X-Fade | qt4 ;) |
| 11:10.14 | X-Fade | qt4 4.6 on >= PR1.2 |
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| 11:11.17 | V13 | ok then... I bring you pyqt4 in extras then :) |
| 11:11.52 | pupnik | anybody know ehrer microb caches the .flvs? i would like to copy them out of /tmp or wherever |
| 11:11.56 | pupnik | where |
| 11:12.18 | X-Fade | V13: It will also mean that it won't work once PR1.2 is released. |
| 11:12.37 | X-Fade | On PR1.2 devices. |
| 11:12.46 | V13 | x-fade i'd rephrase that as: ... it might not work once PR1.2 is released |
| 11:12.59 | X-Fade | V13: Will. |
| 11:13.02 | V13 | I'm not doing anything 4.5 specific. |
| 11:13.05 | V13 | nor maemo specific. |
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| 11:13.19 | X-Fade | V13: As then you need an updated python2.5-qt4-core too. |
| 11:13.27 | V13 | oh |
| 11:13.37 | V13 | right |
| 11:14.14 | X-Fade | Well, it depends if it that will work. As it has >= 4.5.3 depends. |
| 11:14.18 | V13 | Perhaps the'll reconsider having qt 4.5 available in /opt |
| 11:14.39 | V13 | this qt-thing versioning is very lame. |
| 11:14.45 | X-Fade | Dual install will be quite a pain. |
| 11:14.48 | V13 | not very but lame |
| 11:15.17 | X-Fade | Let's hope that Qt4.6 stays for a while :) |
| 11:15.40 | V13 | they should properly handle library versions instead of using the "product" version for them. |
| 11:15.54 | V13 | I mean, someone should force trolls to read the info page of libtool. |
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| 11:16.25 | ptl | is not from trolltech triggers 'info libtool' right now |
| 11:16.26 | lcuk | V13, are you offering? |
| 11:16.37 | V13 | gets its gun |
| 11:16.42 | V13 | s/its/his |
| 11:16.50 | V13 | computerized |
| 11:16.53 | lcuk | lay down your arms |
| 11:17.05 | lcuk | start a tshirt campaign or something |
| 11:17.31 | w00t | X-Fade: it won't be such a problem in the future |
| 11:17.38 | w00t | X-Fade: API/ABI compatibility |
| 11:17.44 | X-Fade | w00t: Yeah. |
| 11:18.50 | V13 | w00t yeah right.. |
| 11:19.02 | V13 | as far as i remember qt>4.0, it always was... no ? |
| 11:19.07 | pupnik | systemui 977 user mem REG 254,1 29763056 130236 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 11:19.12 | V13 | 4.5 => 4.6 should be 4.5 => 5.0 |
| 11:19.22 | V13 | pupnik yes. |
| 11:19.23 | w00t | V13: I don't understand what you're saying |
| 11:20.02 | V13 | w00t: qt4 always had api and abi breakage between releases |
| 11:20.14 | w00t | V13: no, it doesn't |
| 11:20.26 | w00t | V13: they introduce new API, they don't break old API, and nor do they break ABI |
| 11:20.29 | V13 | ok.. i'm not 100% sure but i remember kde always working on a specific qt version |
| 11:20.35 | w00t | V13: Qt on Maemo was different prior to 4.6 |
| 11:21.08 | V13 | w00t: AFAIK, it's not the maemo additions that make qt 4.6 incompatible with 4.5. KDE 4.2 will not work with qt4.6 for example. |
| 11:21.10 | ptl | Nexus 900, how's that for the name of a phone? |
| 11:21.57 | w00t | V13: it is the Maemo additions, because e.g. kinetic scrolling (on Maemo) changed totally from 4.5 that is there now to 4.6, along with other changes |
| 11:21.58 | V13 | w00t: of course I might be wrong, but that's what I remember. |
| 11:22.33 | V13 | w00t: then python2.5-qt4-core will work both with qt4.5 and qt4.6 ? |
| 11:22.59 | pupnik | 7834245 3666 /home/user/MyDocs/tmp/FlashFYlp2n woooot |
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| 11:23.26 | w00t | I don't definitively know the answer, probably, if it's built for 4.5 and doesn't use any new additions from 4.6 |
| 11:23.28 | V13 | pupnik: are you looking for packages that take up space ? |
| 11:23.49 | V13 | w00t: it currently works with 4.5, so it should be compatible with 4.6 ? |
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| 11:24.17 | V13 | I really hope you're right. |
| 11:24.19 | V13 | :) |
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| 11:26.06 | pupnik | V13: no just a way to archive video from browser |
| 11:26.21 | V13 | oh |
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| 11:28.11 | mece | why-the-frak wont this configure file recognize sdl_mixer having ogg support? |
| 11:28.27 | X-Fade | V13: Actually wifieye runs on pr1.2 with qt4.6 only. |
| 11:28.38 | V13 | ? |
| 11:28.53 | V13 | i didn't get that. you mean it requires 4.6 ? |
| 11:29.04 | V13 | or that is runs if qt is upgraded ? |
| 11:29.12 | X-Fade | No, it runs on PR1.2 where only qt4.6 is available. |
| 11:29.29 | V13 | you've pr1.2 in your hands ? :) |
| 11:30.12 | X-Fade | Can't comment on that, but I'm telling you it works ;) |
| 11:30.19 | V13 | thanks :) |
| 11:30.20 | lcuk | giggles |
| 11:30.37 | V13 | presses the "Thanks" button |
| 11:30.55 | X-Fade | Oh, sweet. More karma ;) |
| 11:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~X-Fade:++ |
| 11:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
| 11:31.34 | V13 | x-fade i suppose you're using python2.5-qt4-* from extras testing. right ? |
| 11:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~X-Fade++ |
| 11:31.57 | X-Fade | V13: Installed wifieye from testing, yes. |
| 11:32.02 | V13 | i mean, not another version, compiled for a different maemo (let's say pr1.2) |
| 11:32.42 | X-Fade | V13: No, python is a community supported runtime. So it is not included in the device by default. |
| 11:33.13 | V13 | yes. i'm aware of that. but you could have re-compiled it yourself. suppose not |
| 11:33.22 | X-Fade | python2.5-qt4-core 4.7-maemo7 |
| 11:33.33 | V13 | yeap... that one :) |
| 11:33.49 | X-Fade | V13: I just clicked from AM, I really don't have time to recompile things ;) |
| 11:35.59 | tybollt | X-Fade could tell you but then he'd have to kill you... |
| 11:37.04 | V13 | Any idea how the screenshots for http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ are generated? |
| 11:37.15 | V13 | I mean... who does it? I don't see a way to add a screenshot for wifieye |
| 11:38.07 | X-Fade | V13: You can do it yourself. |
| 11:38.44 | V13 | hm... how exactly ? |
| 11:38.54 | X-Fade | V13: The entry will be created automatically once the app is in Extras. |
| 11:39.11 | V13 | oh.. good |
| 11:39.12 | X-Fade | V13: And then you can just go to the page and click 'edit' on the floating bar. |
| 11:39.14 | V13 | thanks |
| 11:39.56 | V13 | I suppose you don't mean this one: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/wifieye/0.5.0-1/ |
| 11:40.01 | X-Fade | No |
| 11:40.21 | V13 | k |
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| 11:48.14 | satmd | hi |
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| 11:55.01 | pupnik | it is very nice to watch webvideo with mplayer, letting browser cache it on pause :) |
| 11:56.41 | satmd | is it possible to have an smtp-only mail account in modest which stores sent mail on imap? |
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| 11:59.22 | V13 | satmd: I didn't understand what you said. How is it going to be 'smtp only' if it has access to imap ? |
| 11:59.52 | V13 | you mean, not to fetch mails ? |
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| 12:11.44 | satmd | V13: yes |
| 12:12.04 | satmd | I have one central imap account with getmail integration |
| 12:12.21 | satmd | but for sending mail, I use individual smtp accounts on my desktop |
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| 12:13.24 | V13 | Perhaps you mean identities ? |
| 12:13.41 | andre__ | hmm. my maemo.org karma dropped to nearly half of it. |
| 12:13.53 | timeless_mbp | andre__: i lost a large portion of my karma too :( |
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| 12:14.35 | tybollt | My name is Tim! (ref My name is Earl!) |
| 12:15.05 | satmd | well, if I can use these identities with individual smtp server, fine |
| 12:16.35 | V13 | Since it is not possible to subscribe to folders or exclude from check mail, i guess it is not 100% possible |
| 12:16.47 | V13 | you can have multiple accounts for different identities and use whichever you like |
| 12:17.09 | V13 | you can also make those accounts look at the same server/username but they will slow mail fetching. |
| 12:17.17 | V13 | since they will all retrieve mail. |
| 12:17.39 | satmd | hm, so ONE workaround means to have a dummy pop3 locally |
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| 12:17.43 | V13 | If you disable mail fetching for all of them then it will ok, but at some cases (sending failed) you may need to do a "send&receive" which will most probably cause mails to be fetched |
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| 12:18.21 | V13 | well.. yes.. but storing sent mails on imap... i don't know if it can do that |
| 12:19.01 | satmd | mh |
| 12:19.04 | Arif_ | morning o: |
| 12:19.08 | satmd | I could bcc myself |
| 12:19.19 | satmd | but that's rather uglxy |
| 12:19.20 | satmd | -x |
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| 12:23.13 | lardman | afternoon all |
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| 12:35.32 | corecode | satmd: i have the same problem |
| 12:36.04 | corecode | satmd: there are two solutions: either modify modest/tinymail, or change the smtpd to put sent mails into imap :) |
| 12:37.53 | Arif_ | oo |
| 12:38.00 | Arif_ | nearly 200 apps in Moomo 5 extras |
| 12:38.42 | YoannL | Hi, is there any way to trigger custom vibration on Maemo 5? (except the MCE d-bus interface) |
| 12:40.35 | Termana | Arif_: I didn't realize Nokia put cows on the n900. I thought they put Maemo the OS. Not Moomo the cows. :P |
| 12:40.51 | Arif_ | xD |
| 12:41.01 | Stskeeps | Moomin 5 |
| 12:41.14 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Shut up troll ;) |
| 12:41.28 | range | MooBox in Moomin Extras! Arf, arf! |
| 12:41.32 | Termana | lol |
| 12:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | YoannL: /sys |
| 12:41.40 | Arif_ | meh |
| 12:41.42 | Arif_ | I woke up too early |
| 12:41.48 | Arif_ | I could've slept for 20 more minutes! |
| 12:42.07 | Termana | Whoever said #maemo had NORMAL users? |
| 12:42.16 | Arif_ | norwhat? |
| 12:42.32 | Termana | Exactly. |
| 12:42.33 | Termana | :P |
| 12:42.36 | Arif_ | oo |
| 12:42.43 | Arif_ | Map Loader for Moomo devices is announced... |
| 12:43.19 | tybollt | Arif_: Fuck yeah, do I ever hate that. This morning I woke up like an hour too early and couldn't go back to sleep, grrr |
| 12:43.22 | Stskeeps | you know |
| 12:43.28 | Stskeeps | Moomin would be a lot cooler name for MeeGo. |
| 12:43.39 | tybollt | ++ |
| 12:44.14 | YoannL | DocScrutinizer: what about /sys ? |
| 12:44.17 | Termana | Stskeeps - I think they are trying to market MeeGo to average users and businesses. Not baboons like us. |
| 12:44.24 | Termana | :P |
| 12:44.31 | SpeedEvil | eats a bananna. |
| 12:44.31 | range | MooGoo? |
| 12:44.52 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 12:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | YoannL: there's a vibrator node somewhere, you can 'echo 100 >vib/brightness' |
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| 12:45.07 | Arif_ | thought of some improvements for the media player |
| 12:45.08 | Arif_ | :D |
| 12:45.39 | SpeedEvil | moves Arif_ to brainstorm. |
| 12:45.50 | Arif_ | not that big :P |
| 12:46.07 | Arif_ | just a "delete" and "send" option in the little playlist when you press the album art |
| 12:46.13 | Arif_ | and when you press back ont he upper right |
| 12:46.18 | Arif_ | the current playing song is selected |
| 12:46.24 | Arif_ | instead of just going to the top |
| 12:46.49 | Arif_ | misses that from S60 |
| 12:48.12 | Arif_ | would andre__ hit me with a brick if I added those as enhancement bugs? :P |
| 12:48.49 | andre__ | either that, or brainstorm if it's non-trivial |
| 12:49.20 | Arif_ | if brainstorm is used for these kinds of small things |
| 12:49.24 | Arif_ | I'd open one |
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| 12:51.08 | zaheerm | create a brainstorm: improve media player |
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| 12:51.22 | zaheerm | then add solutions for each of your enhancements |
| 12:52.05 | Arif_ | goes looking for an existing brainstorm |
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| 12:52.38 | silverbullet | hi all |
| 12:54.04 | achipa | X-Fade poke (I broke Extras again (C) ) |
| 12:54.07 | lardman | ot question, nVidia GTX 275 or wait a while for a GTX 260? |
| 12:54.27 | X-Fade | achipa: Tell me more :) |
| 12:54.40 | silverbullet | lardman? |
| 12:55.00 | lardman | silverbullet: I need a graphics card to try some CUDA stuff |
| 12:55.08 | silverbullet | what do u mean *wait for a while* |
| 12:55.17 | silverbullet | why wait |
| 12:55.22 | silverbullet | just grab one |
| 12:55.24 | lardman | the 260 is apparently delayed from the supplier |
| 12:55.31 | silverbullet | aha |
| 12:56.03 | achipa | X-Fade: somebody promoted an app (wifieye) depending on my lib (you-know-which), but the lib did not get promoted from testing -> broken apps in Extras |
| 12:56.07 | silverbullet | 275 has many more cores than 260 so get one if the additional dollars dont bother u much |
| 12:56.19 | lardman | hmm, nice to see the nVidia page doesn't even realise their new gtx260s have 216 cores |
| 12:56.29 | silverbullet | hehe |
| 12:56.32 | X-Fade | achipa: Hmm let me check why it didn't get promoted then. |
| 12:56.33 | achipa | prolly a side-effect of the qt blockade |
| 12:56.37 | silverbullet | go for 275 |
| 12:56.57 | X-Fade | achipa: no, should not. |
| 12:57.07 | X-Fade | achipa: I made sure wifieye worked on PR1.2 |
| 12:57.20 | lardman | silverbullet: 260 is supposed to be a downgraded 280 (due to dodgy cores, etc.), was wondering if the 280/260 arch is better than the 275 |
| 12:57.46 | X-Fade | achipa: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/wifieye/0.5.0-1/ |
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| 12:58.04 | silverbullet | i am pretty sure thats not the case that 260 is going to be better than 275 |
| 12:58.34 | lardman | yeah I wouldn't think so, but was just wondering |
| 12:58.36 | achipa | X-Fade: yep, but the python2.5-qt4-* deps did not get promoted |
| 12:58.49 | X-Fade | achipa: Interface shows them? |
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| 12:59.52 | achipa | X-Fade: ah, I think I see the problem - when I click on the dep, I get the package that was erased from Extras |
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| 13:00.56 | achipa | maybe the dep checker 'accepted' that as a valid package so did not pull in the newer ones currently in testing |
| 13:01.35 | X-Fade | achipa: hmm yeah, need to check if it looks at the 'deleted' status. |
| 13:02.02 | X-Fade | achipa: But let me push the packages into extras manually. |
| 13:03.23 | achipa | X-Fade: ok... just be careful as it's a multi-package... umm... package (so we don't shoot ourselves in the foot when the remaining python2.5-qt4-* packages get promoted) |
| 13:03.30 | X-Fade | achipa: the maemo7 versions work on PR1.2 at least. |
| 13:05.30 | achipa | X-Fade: yay ! :) It might be good to have it *fully* in PR1.1 Extras too, otherwise dep-funk could ensue |
| 13:05.37 | Arif_ | wobbles off to uni |
| 13:05.42 | Shapeshifter | would someone like to activate my extras-devel uploading request ;) Or should I just wait? |
| 13:06.32 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: lol, 2 minutes response time ;) |
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| 13:07.08 | V13 | achipa: that would be me :-) |
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| 13:08.02 | Shapeshifter | X-Fade: :D |
| 13:08.04 | Shapeshifter | thanks |
| 13:09.20 | lardman | bbl |
| 13:10.33 | achipa | V13: hi there :) there is some fallout from my previous 'I borked Extras' episode, but nothing serious :) |
| 13:11.12 | V13 | I also show that pyqt was not promoted but I thought it was just the interface that lagged. |
| 13:11.40 | pupnik | http://wejp.k.vu/category/ben-nanonote cute tiny tiny linux clamshell |
| 13:15.23 | Shapeshifter | this whole build system is well interesting... |
| 13:16.33 | achipa | V13: long story short - there was a version of pyqt in extras that got deleted, but the promotion mechanism might have not be aware (of the deleted status) so it did not promote the version from testing |
| 13:16.57 | V13 | oh... let's shoot the promotion mechanism :-) |
| 13:17.44 | V13 | i guess this is a custom made mechanism, because debian would go the opposite way: wifieye would be promoted when all its dependencies were promoted. |
| 13:18.19 | V13 | btw, isn't there any karma for developing apps ? |
| 13:19.04 | zaheerm | V13, there is i think...but they need to be in extras to get karma |
| 13:19.14 | dregin | Is it possible to force maemo's media player app to re-scan my memory card for music? |
| 13:19.17 | V13 | zaheerm... well.. i don't get :) |
| 13:19.28 | X-Fade | V13: Takes up to 2 days. |
| 13:19.32 | dregin | for some reason it can't see any since I installed the extra decoders |
| 13:19.32 | V13 | oh! |
| 13:19.46 | V13 | x-fade: thanks |
| 13:20.32 | Shapeshifter | mhh. So, why exactly did this fail? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/alarmed_0.1.3-1/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt I made the tar.gz, dsc and .changes files using py2deb. Apart from the gpg issue I don't really see what's wrong. |
| 13:21.29 | V13 | Shapeshifter: missing dependencies? |
| 13:21.44 | Shapeshifter | V13: the dependencies are: python2.5, pyside-qt4-base, pyside-qt4-core, pyside-qt4-maemo5, pyside-qt4-gui |
| 13:21.57 | V13 | build-dep |
| 13:21.59 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: build-depends? |
| 13:23.07 | Shapeshifter | X-Fade: mhh, I followed the Py2deb wikipage. it doesn't say anything about build-depends. And my app doesn't need any, it's python |
| 13:23.32 | jebba | odd the log doesnt show the missing build dep |
| 13:24.16 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: you *NEED* build-depends even for python |
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| 13:24.47 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: they should list dependencies needed for constructing the debian package |
| 13:24.56 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: so you need to at least put "python" there |
| 13:25.01 | X-Fade | achipa: core and gui promoted, now waiting for things to catch up. |
| 13:25.37 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: so, python2.5 is not enough, I also need python in build depends? |
| 13:26.00 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: did you put "Build-Depends: python2.5" ? |
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| 13:26.45 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: no, I used py2deb and it doesn't say anything about that. But I'll find out how to add build-depends using py2deb |
| 13:26.50 | Shapeshifter | thanks |
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| 13:27.27 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: now looking at your source... I don't think this is the case |
| 13:27.40 | achipa | X-Fade: (Y), but there is an indirect dep, too: -common |
| 13:28.40 | X-Fade | achipa: Got auto promoted. |
| 13:28.41 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: I used this thing: http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb#Setup_the_build_myapp.py_code and there I listed the dependencies and stuff. build-depends doesn't appear in the wiki, but I guess there's some p.build_depends or so for it. |
| 13:28.48 | X-Fade | achipa: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python2.5-qt4-common/4.7-maemo7/ |
| 13:28.54 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: now I see... your source package looks buggy |
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| 13:29.20 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: intead of unpacking to a "alarmed-0.1" directory, it unpacks the debian and src directories directly |
| 13:30.02 | achipa | X-Fade: great. What about the other packages ? I guess they won't be promotable either before PR1.2 ? |
| 13:30.02 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: can you pastebin your py2deb configuration ? |
| 13:30.18 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: *note* use something like http://pastebin.com |
| 13:30.21 | X-Fade | achipa: Which ones? |
| 13:31.42 | Tahitibob35 | hi, python-location is in extras-testing, but does not appear in the extras-testing list(http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/) |
| 13:31.42 | Tahitibob35 | So, no tester can see it and vote for it..... |
| 13:31.42 | achipa | the, umm, rest... -network, -gl, -sql, etc etc |
| 13:31.42 | X-Fade | Tahitibob35: That is because it is not a user package. |
| 13:31.46 | Tahitibob35 | ok |
| 13:31.52 | lizardo | Tahitibob35: you shouldn't vote for non user packages |
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| 13:32.11 | Tahitibob35 | thx |
| 13:32.14 | X-Fade | Tahitibob35: non-user packages get promoted automatically with user apps. |
| 13:32.29 | X-Fade | for now ;) |
| 13:33.05 | X-Fade | achipa: It depends, if an app depends on -network ( >= 4.7-maemo7) they will. |
| 13:33.35 | achipa | X-Fade: I already have 2 user/* packages in testing that are just waiting for enough t-ups (the python2.5-qt4 which depends on all, and the -doc which is also a demo) |
| 13:33.59 | achipa | X-Fade: trouble is people often omit versions in the deps |
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| 13:34.26 | X-Fade | achipa: Yeah, but this will be fixed with the maintainer interface anyway. |
| 13:34.49 | X-Fade | achipa: As I committed to for this Sprint. |
| 13:35.09 | achipa | X-Fade: cool |
| 13:35.25 | achipa | ok, so off I go to lobby for testers :) |
| 13:35.59 | X-Fade | achipa: Still not sure if python2.5-qt4 should be a user app. |
| 13:36.27 | X-Fade | achipa: It is ugly and good at the same time ;) |
| 13:36.49 | achipa | X-Fade: it's a borderline case, I admit, but I do think there are more pros than cons |
| 13:37.55 | achipa | X-Fade: BTW have you read my mail to the testingsquad list ? regarding how multi-package promotions can cause dependency hell ? |
| 13:38.34 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: http://pastie.org/853422 this is the build_alarmed.py as I used it for the failed build. I now tried adding p.build_depends but ran into other problems. I'm looking for solutions atm. |
| 13:38.38 | X-Fade | achipa: no, sorry i'm not on that list. Probably should though. |
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| 13:39.01 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: well, build was 1 for the initial release, not 2 as I made it now. |
| 13:39.41 | achipa | X-Fade: okay, in short: wifi eye got maemo7 versions of common, core and gui promoted to extras |
| 13:40.11 | achipa | X-Fade: now, I upload a maemo8 version, and FooApp get promoted, but it uses common, core and network |
| 13:40.31 | X-Fade | achipa: Once the admin interface is there, the maintainer of the lib plans promotion. |
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| 13:41.00 | achipa | X-Fade: ok, If you say it solves this problem, I believe you :) |
| 13:41.06 | X-Fade | achipa: So you can push your versions in at a certain time. And people using your libs need to wait for them to be available. |
| 13:41.14 | mikkov | achipa: send important mails to -developers :) |
| 13:41.35 | achipa | mikkov: okay, okay :) |
| 13:41.59 | X-Fade | achipa: Current setup is just so that most simple promotions work without having a lot of people working on it. |
| 13:42.46 | X-Fade | achipa: Something needed to be in place quickly before fremantle release. Now we can improve on that. |
| 13:43.05 | mikkov | javispedro: could you upload sdlgles to extras-devel |
| 13:43.58 | V13 | achipa: what you mentioned can be solved by making your packages depend on exact versions of each other. This way, if you put maemo8 in testing and an app that depends on that is promoted, then this one will cause other maemo8 packages to be promoted replacing maemo7. No? |
| 13:45.45 | achipa | V13: not with the current scheme (that's the problem, it's not apt), but X-Fade says the new admin UI will solve this, so, fingers crossed :) |
| 13:46.05 | V13 | oh. |
| 13:46.57 | X-Fade | achipa: We now promote minimal dependencies, out of ease. It should be the other way around, but that only works if there are active maintainers for these dependencies. |
| 13:47.36 | X-Fade | achipa: And we don't have that for a large number of dependencies atm. |
| 13:48.28 | achipa | yeah, (py)qt is a bit of an icebreaker in that regard as it's one of the few packages that has an extensive dependency net... |
| 13:48.56 | mikkov | the promoter use about the same logic as Application Manager for updates which is good |
| 13:49.28 | mikkov | the logic is not good though :) |
| 13:49.51 | X-Fade | Most people upload a lib because they need it, but not want to maintain it. |
| 13:49.56 | X-Fade | This is what makes it hard. |
| 13:50.32 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: as I said, I don't think anymore it is related to build-depends |
| 13:50.46 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: it is something to do with the .tar.gz tarball generation |
| 13:52.20 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: mhh. what's missing? |
| 13:52.43 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLsN92YPRDs pretty use of accelerometer in a Nintendo DSi game |
| 13:52.47 | lcuk | X-Fade, a community solution to that problem, like the bugsquad - but a small group of people who watch the community ports might be an idea |
| 13:53.06 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: I think the tarball is slightly broken (not sure if it is py2deb fault or something missing on your py2deb .py file) |
| 13:53.12 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: note that I never used py2deb |
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| 13:53.17 | X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, you need some community maintainers for packages. |
| 13:53.39 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: mhh. |
| 13:53.42 | X-Fade | I hope to create the tools for that. |
| 13:54.10 | lcuk | X-Fade, of course cool |
| 13:55.00 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: hmmm, I think my guess was wrong ... just tried unpack your sources and they unpacked fine |
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| 13:55.46 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: but trying to build it by hand gave: |
| 13:55.47 | lizardo | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 13: continued value line not in field |
| 13:56.15 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: looking at that error line, I see that your package description is broken |
| 13:56.36 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: it has a spuprious newline |
| 13:56.54 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: try removing the \n's from lines 23,24,25 |
| 13:57.18 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: (Python adds those newlines automatically, so you don't need to add them) |
| 13:57.47 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: either that, or put everything under a single line |
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| 13:57.58 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: as used on the Py2Deb documentation |
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| 14:01.51 | Shapeshifter | removing only the \ns didn't work. trying a single line now. |
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| 14:02.23 | fzfq3m | Hi there guys.. |
| 14:03.29 | fzfq3m | I want to Wipe my N900... and I found a Nokia support thread that explain how to do it... it suggest to reflash both: Firmware and 32Gb part... |
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| 14:04.04 | fzfq3m | I'm just confused on what firmware should I pick... the US version or the Global one?? |
| 14:04.33 | mgedmin | well, where are you, fzfq3m? |
| 14:04.45 | mgedmin | since I don't live in the US, I picked the global version |
| 14:04.49 | fzfq3m | My N900 keyboard is us US I guess |
| 14:04.55 | mgedmin | keyboard doesn't matter |
| 14:05.05 | mgedmin | actually I'm not sure what exactly differs between those versions |
| 14:05.16 | fzfq3m | mgedmin: That´s what I'm thinking but I wanted to be sure |
| 14:06.28 | fzfq3m | A last question: Should I Flash firmware image firts and then flash the eMMC content image after, or what? |
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| 14:07.21 | mgedmin | also a good question |
| 14:07.25 | X-Fade | fzfq3m: doesn't matter if you don't boot in between flashes. |
| 14:07.28 | mgedmin | that's what I did |
| 14:07.35 | mgedmin | I even booted between flashes |
| 14:07.40 | mgedmin | but it seemed to turn out all right anyway |
| 14:08.14 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Yes, but if you flash emmc first, boot and then flash firmware. The emmc isn't entirely clean anymore. |
| 14:08.28 | fzfq3m | Thanks guys... I will follow X-Fade suggestion |
| 14:08.29 | X-Fade | It just depends on how factory default you want it ;) |
| 14:09.00 | X-Fade | All asuming you are flashing the same versions you are already runnning. |
| 14:09.12 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: nope, still failing, even with everything on one line without any newlines. |
| 14:09.41 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: tried lintian against the source package? |
| 14:09.47 | Shapeshifter | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/alarmed_0.1.3-1/ http://pastie.org/853468 <- build_alarmed.py |
| 14:09.58 | Shapeshifter | X-Fade: lintian? |
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| 14:11.13 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: it might be failing with something else now |
| 14:11.39 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: but the original error was certainly because of the newlines (as I paste the error for you) |
| 14:11.44 | fzfq3m | X-Fade: I will use RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (Global version), and want to have my N900 completely clean... a mean factory settings |
| 14:11.45 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: okay |
| 14:12.22 | X-Fade | fzfq3m: That is fine, just make sure you flash the emmc too then. |
| 14:12.54 | lizardo | X-Fade: looks like the sbmock is not saving all the errors ... if you look at Shapeshifter's build log, the one marked as FAILED is not what failed actually |
| 14:12.55 | fzfq3m | sure: For that i will use RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Am I right?? |
| 14:13.15 | lizardo | X-Fade: it failing at the very beginning of "dpkg-buildpackage" |
| 14:13.36 | X-Fade | lizardo: I'm thinking missing make or configure or something like that? |
| 14:14.14 | lizardo | X-Fade: no... the first error was a debian/control syntax error, but sbdmock and/or autobuilder scripts didn't pick it up |
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| 14:14.39 | lizardo | X-Fade: instead there was only a "root.FAILED" log wich actually does not contain any error message |
| 14:15.27 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: Last build still had newlines in your control file. |
| 14:15.29 | lizardo | X-Fade: so at some point I understand why Shapeshifter was not noticing the error just by looking at the autobuilder failed logs :) |
| 14:15.56 | X-Fade | lizardo: Yeah, I'm not sure why dpkb-buildpackage doesn't show an error. |
| 14:16.17 | lizardo | X-Fade: running "dpkg-buildpackage" locally returned the error |
| 14:16.20 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: And your bugtracker field is broken too. |
| 14:17.00 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: Are you sure you are using the latest py2deb? Khertan fixed that bug iirc. |
| 14:17.21 | lizardo | X-Fade: my guess: sbdmock first tries to get the build depends assuming the debian/control file syntax is ok |
| 14:17.33 | lizardo | X-Fade: so it in fact ignores the stderr of that command |
| 14:18.02 | X-Fade | lizardo: My guess is that the control file only has 5 lines. |
| 14:18.06 | lizardo | X-Fade: so it is failing between the rootstrap setup and the build dependency installation, and sbdmock does not save logs for that... |
| 14:18.12 | X-Fade | lizardo: As it stops after the \n\n |
| 14:18.38 | lizardo | X-Fade: yes, I know that. I'm just pointing that the autobuilder logs are not recording that |
| 14:19.04 | X-Fade | lizardo: I'd have to ask Ed. |
| 14:19.04 | lizardo | X-Fade: and given that it is all that uncommon to insert syntax errors on debian/control, it would be nice to try to get those errors |
| 14:19.19 | lizardo | "all that" -> "not all that" |
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| 14:22.10 | mmgcs | where (a forum, channel, et cetera) is the best place to ask N900 "user" question (e.g. Is there a way to snap contacts on the desktop to a grid?) |
| 14:22.56 | Corsac | mmgcs: use tweakr |
| 14:27.25 | mgedmin | mmgcs, here, I think |
| 14:28.22 | V13 | achipa: ping |
| 14:28.35 | achipa | V13: pong |
| 14:28.50 | V13 | I've a pyqt related q in case you know... |
| 14:28.58 | V13 | may be qt only though. |
| 14:29.05 | achipa | shoot |
| 14:29.32 | V13 | I've a sample mainwindow and it shows a dialog... now everything is ok, unless I do this for the mainwindow: self.setStyleSheet(""" """). Then the dialog is messed up |
| 14:29.34 | achipa | though, if it's qt, more qt hats in #qt-maemo |
| 14:29.48 | mgedmin | mmgcs, snapping to grid exists, but the grid is 4x4 pixels ... |
| 14:30.12 | Shapeshifter | X-Fade: mhh, it's the newest version apparently. |
| 14:30.15 | achipa | yep, qt thing :) Pyqt just wraps, does not interfere with what qt does |
| 14:30.22 | mgedmin | mmgcs, you can change the grid size by editing (as root) some file somewhere |
| 14:30.24 | V13 | yeah... thanks anyway. |
| 14:31.02 | achipa | recommendation stands: ask in #qt-maemo |
| 14:31.12 | mgedmin | mmgcs, it's described here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5372 |
| 14:31.13 | povbot | Bug 5372: Can't easily align desktop widgets (snap to position) on home screens |
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| 14:31.30 | V13 | achipa: I will |
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| 14:37.21 | SpeedEvil | you can set the right frob in the config file and it works |
| 14:37.26 | SpeedEvil | 40 pix is about right IMO |
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| 14:46.11 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps: Its my time to bug you again |
| 14:46.52 | Stskeeps | ponders idly when his wife comes home |
| 14:47.40 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: going to look at it now, i don't have anything better to do |
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| 14:48.21 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps: I'm sure their is always something better to do but I wont complain about you looking at it :) |
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| 15:02.22 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: right, so theme creation is your theme package together with tools (hildon-theme-tools) and layout package (hildon-theme-layout-5) |
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| 15:03.44 | Stskeeps | or sec.. |
| 15:05.29 | Shapeshifter | lizardo, X-Fade: thanks guys for the help. I guess I did some stupid thing because the file I uploaded didn't have the changes (removed newlines) that I did put in my source file... Anyway, it built OK now :) |
| 15:05.50 | X-Fade | Shapeshifter: Heh, well at least it worked now :) |
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| 15:06.58 | Stskeeps | ok, so you'll need to fork hildon-theme-layout-5, like hildon-theme-layout-5-afb, and alter the rc/base.rc file in there to point to a new gtk-icon-theme-name.. and then ask Meizirkki how he made a icon theme.. that icon theme has to inherit from 'hicolor' |
| 15:07.23 | Stskeeps | and then you point your theme to build-depend on hildon-theme-layout-5-afb instead and depend on your new icon theme |
| 15:07.35 | Stskeeps | that's roughly how you do it |
| 15:08.19 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Sounds easy ;) |
| 15:09.37 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps: ok |
| 15:10.02 | Stskeeps | i hoped i could include it in the theme template but it looks like the original template prevents me from doing so. |
| 15:10.10 | Stskeeps | er, original layout |
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| 15:14.23 | AndrewFBlack | reading all that makes me want to do it like I did it back in the Diablo days and just build package my self after I cut theme apart to just include the icon files in the new package. Keeps from me from making a new layout and template |
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| 15:16.19 | AndrewFBlack | basiclly what I did in daiblo days was to build theme to have template cut apart and all files generated, then I unpacked .deb and added icon files and modified theme files. Then used py2deb to build source package again then upload. |
| 15:17.06 | Stskeeps | yeah, i'm trying to figure out if there's a better way |
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| 15:18.02 | Shapeshifter | Mhh. But for some reason my alarmed.py doesn't have o+x. the one I've put in the package. Do I have to care about file permissions upon packaging? |
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| 15:20.36 | akeripper | should you format your cdcard when it previously have been in a s60(n82)? |
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| 15:21.28 | AndrewFBlack | I still like my idea > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964 that gives you a program that lets you customize your theme one peice at a time. |
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| 15:24.51 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: if you can, try out to make /usr/share/icons/themename/ and mimic the structure in /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
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| 15:26.08 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps: ok |
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| 15:26.43 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: it might actually pick up those icons first |
| 15:27.16 | Stskeeps | if it does, we can do tricks directly in the template |
| 15:27.49 | AndrewFBlack | I don't know about in maemo5 but on diablo it would pick on the in theme named folder first and any missing ones it would revert to /hicolor |
| 15:28.45 | Stskeeps | yeah, let's see if this still exists |
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| 15:29.44 | AndrewFBlack | going to have to wait til I get home don't have network access on my n900 at work to ssh into it. |
| 15:30.44 | AndrewFBlack | stupid company network requires me to enroll my root cert to get on work network so only windows |
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| 15:39.11 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: what's your scheme? EAP-TLS? |
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| 15:40.52 | AndrewFBlack | ptl? |
| 15:41.02 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: ? |
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| 15:43.44 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: for the network in your job, that forces you to enroll |
| 15:43.58 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: not sure what you mean by scheme? |
| 15:45.26 | mmgcs | is there an option in MfE to go back to the Inbox (or source folder) after deleting an email (from the email reading screen) - as opposed to it moving to the next email? |
| 15:45.30 | ptl | authentication schema |
| 15:45.37 | ptl | LEAP, EAP-TLS, PEAP and so on |
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| 15:46.07 | timeless_mbp | mmgcs: MfE isn't a mail app |
| 15:46.10 | timeless_mbp | it's a sync transport |
| 15:46.17 | timeless_mbp | the mail app is modest, it's 100% open source |
| 15:46.22 | timeless_mbp | and if you have issues w/ it, you can write patches |
| 15:46.27 | timeless_mbp | which reminds me, i need to bug the devs |
| 15:46.28 | mmgcs | ok, sorry, the mail app |
| 15:46.50 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: I'm not sure any idea how I find out? |
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| 15:48.29 | timeless_mbp | mmgcs: so, http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/modest/ is the source for the version we shipped in fremantle sales iirc |
| 15:48.29 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: looks like EAP |
| 15:48.51 | mmgcs | timeless_mbp: thanks |
| 15:48.52 | timeless_mbp | i have a cross reference of trunk somewhere too, because i wrote patch for it sometime this year, but i don't remember which xref hosts it |
| 15:48.52 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: it seems to be EAP-TLS, by the need to 'enroll' your certificate. But N900 has support for EAP-TLS, so it should work |
| 15:49.15 | ptl | source for modest? isn't it closed-source? |
| 15:49.25 | SpeedEvil | (03:46:17 PM) timeless_mbp: the mail app is modest, it's 100% open source |
| 15:50.07 | ptl | good, I didn't know that, I thought it followed the ways of the media player |
| 15:50.13 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 15:50.18 | Shapeshifter | So, I still don't understand this. My app, alarmed.py, has 755 permissions on my machine. When I make the package using py2deb and then upload it to autobuilder, it makes the package allright, it goes to extras-devel, but after installation, the user can't launch it because it has 644 permissions... |
| 15:50.24 | timeless_mbp | the mail team managed to get it right for their rewrite |
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| 15:50.30 | timeless_mbp | the browser team tried and failed |
| 15:50.35 | Shapeshifter | Do I have to do something special to give the .py app proper permissions? |
| 15:50.44 | andre__ | ptl: http://gitorious.org/modest |
| 15:50.50 | timeless_mbp | the media player team only tried to get the framework opened for fremantle, and i think they succeeded |
| 15:51.02 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: I think other problem I'm running into when I try to connect it is asking for WEP but I am told to tell device The Key is automatically provided but I don't think n900 has that option |
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| 15:52.33 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: that's because in windows mobile you do it this way... A very stupid way, I think. I still have an old Windows Mobile phone, it took me months to realize that you should tell it that the EAP-TLS is a 'WEP with automatically provided key' and configure the certificate elsewhere. |
| 15:52.49 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: that was one of the less user-friendly interface issues I have ever found |
| 15:52.53 | Shapeshifter | nevermind |
| 15:53.40 | timeless_mbp | AndrewFBlack: that probably means you need to install the key manually first :) |
| 15:54.11 | ptl | no, there's no key at all |
| 15:54.14 | ptl | only the certificate |
| 15:54.23 | timeless_mbp | s/key/cert/ |
| 15:54.24 | ptl | and its password |
| 15:57.42 | Shapeshifter | chmod +x /home/user/MyDocs/alarmed/src/opt/alarmed/alarmed.py; ls -lah /home/user/MyDocs/alarmed/src/opt/alarmed/alarmed.py -> permissions are 644. Can stuff on the MyDocs partition not be +x? |
| 15:58.28 | AndrewFBlack | I installed Cert, setup connection with the SSID for the network, set it up as WPA with EAP and set EAP type as TLS still asks for WEP when I try to connect |
| 15:58.56 | V13 | Shapeshifter: No. It is a vfat partition that doesn't support permissions. |
| 15:59.25 | AndrewFBlack | it does ask for a certificate during setup but none show their |
| 15:59.42 | Shapeshifter | V13: okay. the py2dev tutorial is broken then ;) might fix it once I get this build working. it says I could put stuff in a MyDocs subdir and set permissions |
| 15:59.57 | V13 | Perhaps it was referring to the SDK ? |
| 16:00.37 | V13 | AndrewFBlack: what's the problem ? |
| 16:00.48 | ptl | is it possible to set a file as a block device under MyDocs and format it as ext2/ext3 and mount as a loop device to get more executable stuff into the device? |
| 16:00.53 | Shapeshifter | V13: actually it's quite specifically writte with people in mind who want to build the package on the n900 |
| 16:01.33 | AndrewFBlack | V13: trying to connect n900 to network that requires a root cert to be enrolled first |
| 16:01.43 | V13 | enrolled ? |
| 16:02.08 | V13 | ptl: I believe that's what easydebian does. |
| 16:02.12 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: btw it is EPA/TLS just read that on guide for windows mobile |
| 16:02.37 | ptl | V13: yeah, but without booting into a new OS, just for a few extra executables :) |
| 16:02.47 | V13 | AndrewFBlack: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to do and what is your problem. |
| 16:03.05 | V13 | ptl: I meant: If easydebian does it, then why not you ? |
| 16:03.11 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: my job also supposedly supports EAP/TLS but I never got it to work, from the laptop, mobile or amything |
| 16:03.33 | ptl | and I did get the .p12 certificate and such |
| 16:04.13 | AndrewFBlack | I think one thing is only option on n900 I see for EAP is WPA-with EAP but I need WEP with EAP |
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| 16:04.54 | V13 | I've EAP/TLS working so it can be done... BUT: It seems to have a bug with certificates that don't have a password. I couldn't make that work. |
| 16:05.04 | V13 | WEP with EAP? |
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| 16:06.06 | V13 | I believe there is no such thing. |
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| 16:06.53 | AndrewFBlack | Its the options they tell you use to use on Windows Mobile, trying to use my companys windows guide to connect n900 lol |
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| 16:07.58 | Arif_ | mmm |
| 16:08.00 | Arif_ | pizza |
| 16:08.20 | Stskeeps | just ordered kfc |
| 16:08.21 | Arif_ | and why must busses be so full between 16-18! |
| 16:08.46 | Stskeeps | rush hour :P |
| 16:08.54 | Arif_ | meh |
| 16:08.59 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: never mind about this "WEP" stuff, it's just windows mobile lame way of making that work |
| 16:09.16 | Arif_ | I sat next to someone with loud music |
| 16:09.21 | Arif_ | so I put mine louder than his :D |
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| 16:11.02 | ptl | announcement |
| 16:11.03 | ptl | http://www.nokian900applications.com/meego-will-be-compatible-with-nokia-n900/ |
| 16:11.18 | Arif_ | rumors! |
| 16:11.19 | ptl | Meego will be compatible with the Nokia N900 |
| 16:11.22 | ptl | wow. |
| 16:11.23 | toggles_w | awwww |
| 16:11.38 | Arif_ | damnit |
| 16:11.41 | Arif_ | I so hoped it wouldn't be ;( |
| 16:11.42 | ptl | it seems official |
| 16:11.54 | ptl | lol |
| 16:11.57 | Arif_ | it gave me an excuse to waste money on a new device :D |
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| 16:12.41 | toggles_w | ptl: http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one |
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| 16:14.00 | ptl | that's great news, I don't feel abandoned anymore. |
| 16:14.13 | arnor | Maemo + Moblin = Meego, no? ;] |
| 16:14.27 | Arif_ | pretty much |
| 16:14.41 | arnor | Moblin, is it Debian-based? |
| 16:14.49 | AndrewFBlack | wonder my certificat is not showing up for me to select when setting up connection |
| 16:15.20 | Shapeshifter | of course it will. |
| 16:15.33 | Shapeshifter | arnor: no it is not. |
| 16:15.38 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: was it a .p12 certificate? |
| 16:15.44 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: mine has shown up |
| 16:15.48 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: but the connection didn't work. |
| 16:15.56 | ptl | I don't have the slightest idea why. |
| 16:16.01 | ptl | Everything seemed ok. |
| 16:16.15 | ptl | Anyone knows where can I see the logs for that? /var/log/messages? |
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| 16:17.02 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: name of file is SoCo_Root_Certificate.cer |
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| 16:17.35 | ptl | .cer? |
| 16:18.06 | ptl | I think you need a user certificate, a client certificate and a private key |
| 16:18.17 | ptl | the .p12 file has all three in it |
| 16:18.28 | ptl | .cer is just one certificate, in PEM format if I recall it correctly |
| 16:19.16 | ptl | btw |
| 16:19.19 | ptl | about this meego stuff |
| 16:19.28 | ptl | is there someone here to whom I could say 'THANKS'? |
| 16:19.36 | ptl | :P I am very happy about this. |
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| 16:21.00 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: I think that is purpose of the enroll.exe file for windows mobile I think it gets the other certificates for you from network |
| 16:21.16 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: oh, I see |
| 16:22.55 | AndrewFBlack | I guess I'm stuck getting a Windows Mobile PDA for use at work |
| 16:24.02 | ptl | AndrewFBlack: if you get the three files (maybe from your windows mobile) and get someone who understands openssl and certificates to do it for you, you can generate a .p12 file to use in the N900. |
| 16:25.35 | AndrewFBlack | ptl: ok now just to find a windows mobile device that is overly expensive or a phone lol |
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| 16:32.26 | AndrewFBlack | I wonder if I could get a SmartQ V7 to connect at work on Windows Ce |
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| 16:48.56 | ptl | question |
| 16:49.20 | ptl | if I reformat the N900 to use a larger applications partition and a ext2 MyDocs partition, will it work? |
| 16:49.50 | Arif_ | the camera wont |
| 16:49.54 | cehteh | depends, not out of the box |
| 16:50.05 | cehteh | camera problem can be fixed |
| 16:50.13 | Arif_ | and wind00z wont read it :P |
| 16:50.23 | cehteh | (just permission problem) |
| 16:50.40 | cehteh | reformated everything to ext3 meanwhile |
| 16:50.57 | Arif_ | just leaves it as is :D |
| 16:51.05 | cehteh | tried ext4 .. which is almost double as fast! .. but needs custom kernel which may make problems |
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| 16:51.40 | cehteh | you need to hack some scripts and configs to make reformatting work |
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| 16:57.04 | ptl | what's a goodies developer, kalikiana? |
| 16:57.20 | ptl | cehteh: hack scripts and configs? wouldn't it break on each update? |
| 16:59.55 | Shapeshifter | definetly needs to improve his uploading/testing cycle to extras-devel -.- |
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| 17:00.24 | apol | is it possible to install maps over-the-air using the map application? |
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| 17:00.51 | Shapeshifter | putting the sources into a tar.gz, uploading them, downloading them on the n900, unpacking, running py2deb, uploading the results, downloading them on the laptop, uploading them to autobuilder from there, and installing it from the repo on the n900 after that is *somewhat* suboptimal >.> |
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| 17:03.25 | apol | >.< |
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| 17:06.38 | oilinki | has this Microsoft error reporting system been implemented with Maemo platform yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc4j3pEoMXY |
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| 17:11.30 | cehteh | ptl: not on each, but yes can happen |
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| 17:14.32 | bashee_ | Haha |
| 17:17.39 | kalikiana | ptl, goodies in Xfce are basically additions you may like but which are not needed for a base install |
| 17:18.12 | kalikiana | and you can guess what a goodie developer does :-) |
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| 17:28.44 | ptl | kalikiana: ok :) |
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| 17:34.36 | aep | i wonder if there is an adapter to plug in a 5.5" cable into the microphone input for guitar tuning :D |
| 17:34.56 | aep | i bet it would fry the soundchip |
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| 17:36.34 | SpeedEvil | For tuning - any mic will do |
| 17:38.14 | lucent | aep: impedences are different |
| 17:38.17 | lucent | otherwise it should work |
| 17:38.32 | lucent | you want a "direct box" converter common in guitar live stage setups |
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| 17:38.40 | aep | SpeedEvil: not really. either the tuning app sucks or putting the phone in the same room as the amp is not how it works |
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| 17:39.58 | aep | besides you can't play on an amp on stage while tuning |
| 17:40.38 | n00bmonk3y | hmmmm any pulseaudio experts here? :D |
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| 17:41.47 | aep | lucent: you sure i can plug it into a DI output? oO i though that would be 50 Ohm and with quite some power. |
| 17:42.07 | aep | i rather dont try. heh |
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| 17:45.00 | Khertan | Rahhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!l! This QA Testing process will made me crazy ! |
| 17:45.07 | Arif_ | I let my N900 fall from 20 stairs today... |
| 17:45.10 | Arif_ | o.o |
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| 17:45.15 | Khertan | Something will be made quickly to improve that ! |
| 17:45.22 | Khertan | ? |
| 17:45.29 | Khertan | this is borring ... |
| 17:45.33 | Khertan | harassing ! |
| 17:45.36 | Arif_ | what's wrong with it :P |
| 17:45.40 | Khertan | and is stupid ! |
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| 17:46.11 | Khertan | rules changes everytimes |
| 17:46.11 | Khertan | no one test |
| 17:46.11 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.14-1/ |
| 17:46.12 | Khertan | no vote |
| 17:46.15 | Khertan | this sucks ! really ! |
| 17:46.16 | cehteh | Arif_: better 20 stairs than 20 stories :) |
| 17:46.34 | Arif_ | it seems that nothings wrong with it:D |
| 17:46.45 | Khertan | i i m furious .... |
| 17:47.03 | Khertan | fighting |
| 17:47.12 | Khertan | i tired of fightinh |
| 17:47.17 | Khertan | and will stop to try to make things available in extras ! |
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| 17:47.46 | Khertan | making is own repository is far easier and quicker |
| 17:47.52 | Arif_ | votes for it :P |
| 17:47.56 | Khertan | and putting a link in maemo with an install file is easy |
| 17:48.06 | Stskeeps | Khertan: qa is there for a reason |
| 17:48.19 | Stskeeps | to not let buggy sw get into extras |
| 17:48.45 | Khertan | currently i pass more time trying to publish things than fixing bug |
| 17:48.45 | Khertan | stskeeps: false ! |
| 17:49.11 | Stskeeps | Khertan: no, not false |
| 17:49.23 | cehteh | where is the QA process documented? |
| 17:49.32 | ptl | Arif_: 20 stairs? You mean 20 steps, isn't it? Do you have any kind of protective case? |
| 17:49.39 | cehteh | just doesnt care .. i write what i use myself :P |
| 17:49.43 | Arif_ | yes, and no |
| 17:49.50 | zaheerm | i find it much easier to submit my package to autobuilder |
| 17:50.15 | zaheerm | than to create own repo |
| 17:50.24 | Arif_ | Khertan have you considered Ovi! |
| 17:50.30 | Venomrush | hey guys |
| 17:50.34 | Venomrush | quick qeustion |
| 17:50.39 | ali1234 | setting up a repo is trivial compared to fighting the autobuilder |
| 17:50.48 | ali1234 | and extras process |
| 17:50.53 | Venomrush | if there are contacts in SIM |
| 17:50.59 | Venomrush | does the n900 show them by default? |
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| 17:51.19 | Venomrush | or have an option to only show these SIM contacts? |
| 17:51.33 | cehteh | you can import them to the addressbook .. iirc it doesnt show then, but i am not sure |
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| 17:51.50 | Venomrush | i know you can import them |
| 17:51.56 | Khertan_ | [18:50] <Khertan> currently i pass more time trying to publish things than fixing bugn[18:50] <Khertan> stskeeps: false !n[18:50] <Khertan> it s just here to force dev to create their own repositoryn[18:51] <Khertan> and as i said it doesn t help as the time i pass to pusblish things isn t time use to implement new feature and fix bugs |
| 17:52.05 | cehteh | well i did that once and never cared again :P |
| 17:52.06 | n00bmonk3y | lol khertan, i'm testing it now :) - been using it all day :D |
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| 17:52.07 | Venomrush | just happened when i was abroad i wanted to see just the contacts on the sim |
| 17:52.10 | Venomrush | there was no way |
| 17:52.13 | Venomrush | i had to import |
| 17:52.16 | Venomrush | which took 15 mins :\ |
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| 17:52.49 | Venomrush | the sim was specific to that country, i just wanted to see the contact/number to show credit |
| 17:52.56 | Venomrush | but had to import the entire sim entries |
| 17:53.35 | Khertan_ | Or maybe i should just made one app .... an installer that will download and install my apps ... will be easier and pass this -4_5#6(7 qa test |
| 17:53.57 | ali1234 | submit a package that just adds your repo :) |
| 17:54.28 | Khertan_ | ali1234. yep this is the idea |
| 17:54.30 | ali1234 | i did once consider making a package that would do that |
| 17:54.51 | ali1234 | but since i would have to add first the repo to get my package, it was chicken and egg situation |
| 17:55.06 | KFurious | but with an ui as you can t put package without ui in user/section |
| 17:55.23 | ali1234 | you can if you run your own repo |
| 17:55.27 | KFurious | as elsewhere it will be refuse in qa test |
| 17:55.40 | ali1234 | the state of extras is pretty bad |
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| 17:55.50 | KFurious | clearly ... this sucks |
| 17:55.53 | n00bmonk3y | :) |
| 17:55.59 | ali1234 | there QA process is totally wrong, and so all the good apps are stuck in testing and devel |
| 17:56.16 | n00bmonk3y | lol awww thankee venom for voting up healthcheck - bet it will get rejected due to the bugtracker in the end though :( |
| 17:56.38 | KFurious | now i can understand why sio2interactive cheat on the qa process |
| 17:56.45 | ali1234 | first thing i have to do after reflashing N900 is add a bunch of repos to it |
| 17:58.09 | KFurious | maybe we should do a developper league to vote between us for others app ! |
| 17:58.33 | KFurious | or should we create our own repository ... and publish our app exclusively on it ... forcing users which want usefull app force them to add our repository |
| 18:00.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, what a nice little conversation here. |
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| 18:02.52 | ljp_ | i think that might take jailbreaking your n900 :) |
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| 18:03.27 | kFurious4 | [18:59] <KFurious> maybe we should do a developper league to vote between us for others app !n[19:00] <KFurious> or should we create our own repository ... and publish our app exclusively on it ... forcing users which want usefull app force them to add our repositoryn[19:01] <KFurious> ~ping |
| 18:04.09 | Pillum | what is the shortcut for autocomplete with xchat? |
| 18:04.10 | cehteh | ... still no one pointed me out how QA works .. |
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| 18:04.45 | kFurious4 | ~ping |
| 18:04.46 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:04.48 | cehteh | Pillum: ctrl-space here .. but i think i configured it... |
| 18:05.09 | cehteh | somewhere, forgotten where :) |
| 18:05.09 | Pillum | yeah....seems so |
| 18:05.20 | kFurious4 | grrr since the tempest the 3g network coverage is really bad |
| 18:05.20 | Pillum | for me it is changing input language |
| 18:05.54 | cehteh | Pillum: settings->advacned->.. |
| 18:06.13 | cehteh | yes someone told that to me |
| 18:06.25 | Pillum | it says "tab" |
| 18:06.37 | Pillum | which one is the tabulator? :) |
| 18:06.37 | cehteh | yeah you have no tab key |
| 18:06.58 | cehteh | i remapped the tab to shift space .. bit strangely that didnt worked on xchat |
| 18:07.06 | kFurious4 | So does there is other dev by making/using a common repository ? |
| 18:07.07 | cehteh | (but works in emacs :P) |
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| 18:07.26 | kFurious4 | So does there is other dev interested by making/using a common repository ? |
| 18:07.51 | cehteh | kFurious4: i would if i had useful software to share |
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| 18:08.29 | n00bmonk3y | ooo GeneralAntilles spoke and my mirc died.... odd :| |
| 18:08.37 | Pillum | jumps |
| 18:08.42 | n00bmonk3y | blinks |
| 18:08.54 | Pillum | :( |
| 18:08.58 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
| 18:09.12 | cehteh | Pillum: you can define your favorite shortcut for it |
| 18:09.29 | Pillum | yeah i know |
| 18:09.57 | Pillum | but there was already a preconfigured one |
| 18:09.58 | Pillum | and it worked |
| 18:10.11 | cehteh | yes? |
| 18:10.22 | Pillum | but i dont know it.... |
| 18:11.08 | Pillum | and the keyboard shortcuts dont work either |
| 18:11.09 | pupnik_ | kFurious4: there are a couple out thee |
| 18:14.54 | cehteh | mhm ... works for me |
| 18:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | kFurious4, yeah, it's called Extras. . . . |
| 18:16.04 | cehteh | haha |
| 18:17.21 | kFurious4 | GeneralAntilles it s will be called Extras Plus |
| 18:17.29 | kFurious4 | or Better Extras |
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| 18:17.53 | kFurious4 | or maybe Extras with apps in it |
| 18:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | If you have issues with the QA process, address the QA process. |
| 18:18.07 | cehteh | ExtraExtras :) |
| 18:18.21 | kFurious4 | Hahaha are you serious |
| 18:18.36 | mikkov | QA is all about guarding that all bugtracker links are following thre rules (yes, there is rules) |
| 18:19.19 | kFurious4 | who take the decision on this rules ? |
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| 18:19.36 | cehteh | maybe maemo should attract packagers additionally to developers .. i feel it always pita to package things |
| 18:19.39 | mikkov | who ever happens to write to the wiki page |
| 18:20.17 | nid0 | everyone has a hand in deciding the qa rules, if you want to change them, propose changes. |
| 18:20.48 | kFurious4 | i ve add my think in the discussion of the pagbe |
| 18:20.50 | kFurious4 | s/think/thought |
| 18:20.56 | mikkov | nowadays rules are mostly changes without proposing or agreeing anything |
| 18:20.56 | kFurious4 | cehteh specially when rules changs |
| 18:21.25 | cehteh | kFurious4: i just ignore rules :P |
| 18:21.27 | n00bmonk3y | Hmmm question on bugrtracking.... |
| 18:21.35 | n00bmonk3y | My bugtracker is set as - p.xsbc_bugtracker="http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453" |
| 18:21.37 | kFurious4 | and without any warning |
| 18:21.50 | n00bmonk3y | yest the link is pointing at - xsbc-bugtracker:%20http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 |
| 18:22.17 | kFurious4 | i m just tired |
| 18:22.24 | cehteh | quote from the GPL: "This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful," |
| 18:22.38 | n00bmonk3y | any ideas peeps? |
| 18:22.51 | kFurious4 | and feeling that the "community" is now clearly dislocked |
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| 18:22.52 | cehteh | .. when i write free software then i think it is useful, if others disagree its not my problem |
| 18:23.35 | kFurious4 | cehteh: currently i ll just stop any developpment |
| 18:23.47 | kFurious4 | just doing things for me without publishing it |
| 18:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | n00bmonk3y, sure you don't just want a Bugzilla product? |
| 18:25.04 | n00bmonk3y | Hmmm, to be honest i'm not that thrilled with it, hard enough to learn linux, QT, Python and everything else.... Searched for over an hour on "How to create a bug Tracker" and there isn't one simple guide.... so read the QA process and it said nothing against using a forum post :) - of which i prefer - less logins, and less confusion for me :P |
| 18:25.05 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 18:25.07 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:25.10 | cehteh | kFurious4: well thats bad too .. no way to publish and annonce it at least.. but dont care about the rest? |
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| 18:25.40 | cehteh | put it on some server out there, announce it on tmo .. done |
| 18:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | n00bmonk3y, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products |
| 18:25.56 | Khertan | i ve already stop to read tmo |
| 18:26.10 | Khertan | since the announce of the n900 |
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| 18:26.20 | cehteh | stopping reading it doesnt prevent you from posting there :P |
| 18:26.28 | n00bmonk3y | would help if that was linked on the autobuilder - or actually anywhere lol :P |
| 18:26.34 | n00bmonk3y | thanks though |
| 18:26.58 | n00bmonk3y | lol! - i have to send an email to do it.... |
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| 18:27.01 | Khertan | to create a product in bmo send an email |
| 18:27.06 | n00bmonk3y | thats just an extra annoyancy lol |
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| 18:27.22 | Khertan | to create a new version im the product list send an email |
| 18:27.31 | Khertan | this isn t serious ! |
| 18:27.33 | n00bmonk3y | i'm sure i'm annoying testers, but... aghhhh thats not a well thought out, easy/user friendly process :( |
| 18:27.42 | cehteh | didnt looked into the intended publishing process |
| 18:27.51 | n00bmonk3y | meh, gonna try n fix the forum link i think |
| 18:28.23 | n00bmonk3y | but i'm not gonna be able to stop it pointing at the wrong place am i ? :( |
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| 18:29.01 | Khertan | and of course i think that with meego it ll be worse and more complicated |
| 18:29.23 | cehteh | dunno maybe its even easier |
| 18:29.24 | n00bmonk3y | ooo intruiging... not using a debian control file - using autobuilder |
| 18:29.37 | Khertan | cehteh: with rpm ! |
| 18:29.39 | n00bmonk3y | so this line - p.xsbc_bugtracker="http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453" should work - and it isn't :( |
| 18:29.44 | Khertan | really ! |
| 18:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | n00bmonk3y, it's not difficult. |
| 18:30.04 | cehteh | Khertan: i dont care .. I release software as source and hope for someone packaging it :) |
| 18:30.06 | Khertan | p.xsbc_bugtracker ? are you using pypackager ? |
| 18:30.08 | n00bmonk3y | it is :( |
| 18:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | n00bmonk3y, an email will take you all of 5 minutes |
| 18:30.20 | n00bmonk3y | erm using build_***.py method |
| 18:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | and your users will thank you. |
| 18:30.34 | n00bmonk3y | not really, the testers will |
| 18:30.39 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: are you doing packaging yourself ? |
| 18:30.40 | n00bmonk3y | but thats their prefferred method |
| 18:30.43 | n00bmonk3y | having extra logins etc |
| 18:30.44 | pupnik_ | can i play sound clips to people over phone? |
| 18:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, why is that relevant? I'm talking about adding a product to bugzilla. |
| 18:31.59 | n00bmonk3y | i find myself in an odd position of not wanting to use all the developer tools... (Not really a developer tbh.....) and much prefer the talk.maemo awy of keep up to date, but its just a personal preference |
| 18:32.30 | n00bmonk3y | if it was all simple, with one log in, and done in english, might change my mind... Just way to complicated for Joe-Bloggs the newbie.... |
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| 18:32.42 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 18:32.43 | n00bmonk3y | :) |
| 18:32.45 | n00bmonk3y | hehe |
| 18:32.45 | GeneralAntilles | Development isn't really a simple thing. |
| 18:32.55 | n00bmonk3y | well, the coding bit was easy then the publishing bit ;) |
| 18:32.55 | GeneralAntilles | If you have questions, ask. |
| 18:33.02 | n00bmonk3y | easier* |
| 18:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | People have different skill sets. |
| 18:33.15 | n00bmonk3y | but then i am doing a simple tool i suppose ;) |
| 18:33.22 | n00bmonk3y | i'm good at eating if that helps? lol ;) |
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| 18:33.35 | n00bmonk3y | wb khert |
| 18:34.14 | khertan2 | 19:32] <GeneralAntilles> Khertan, why is that relevant? I'm talking about adding a product to bugzilla.n[19:33] <Khertan> because each time you made new version / package you need to add a new product version in the bugtracker ... so send a email and wait !n[19:34] <Khertan> wait ... wait ... wait ... |
| 18:34.50 | n00bmonk3y | :( if it was automated it would make life alot easier :) |
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| 18:35.03 | n00bmonk3y | autobuilder - add product.... Retruns, your new bug tracker is... xxx |
| 18:35.07 | khertan2 | this is far from the spirit .... release as often possible ... fix it as often possible |
| 18:35.09 | GeneralAntilles | khertan2, or ping me here. |
| 18:35.09 | n00bmonk3y | returns* |
| 18:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | khertan2, unfortunately this is the reality with our old bugzilla install |
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| 18:35.26 | GeneralAntilles | Karsten should have 3.4 up by the end of the month, however. |
| 18:35.32 | n00bmonk3y | which is probably why i'm prefering talk.maemo.org |
| 18:35.41 | n00bmonk3y | which hasn't been discounted by the QA process |
| 18:36.13 | n00bmonk3y | it just wont let me put the link in without adding xsbc-bugtracker: in front of it :( |
| 18:36.22 | khertan2 | n00bmonk3y : not yet |
| 18:36.32 | n00bmonk3y | not yet to which bit? lol |
| 18:36.47 | khertan2 | n00bmonkey are you using pypackager ? |
| 18:36.51 | khertan2 | or py2deb ? |
| 18:37.02 | n00bmonk3y | but the 20 mins i spent talking on here i coulda sorted the problem out... instead i'm strill trying to figure it out lol :P |
| 18:37.18 | n00bmonk3y | erm, the auto builder one that uses build_***.py method lol |
| 18:37.30 | khertan2 | ah ok sorry |
| 18:37.35 | n00bmonk3y | is that the packager? |
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| 18:37.42 | n00bmonk3y | sorry did it a few weeks ago, and just automate it now |
| 18:37.47 | Shapeshifter | n00bmonk3y: py2deb that is. |
| 18:37.53 | n00bmonk3y | ahhh cheers Shapeshifter |
| 18:38.03 | n00bmonk3y | that bit works well :D |
| 18:38.11 | Shapeshifter | used it today the first time |
| 18:38.13 | khertan2 | because there was a bug in previous version of pypackager |
| 18:38.19 | n00bmonk3y | i just edit my code, change the build file and run it :) |
| 18:38.19 | khertan2 | which is now fixed |
| 18:38.32 | n00bmonk3y | ooo maybe i need to update it? will go check |
| 18:38.41 | khertan2 | (and is of course available in extras-devel only) |
| 18:38.46 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
| 18:38.56 | n00bmonk3y | pretty sure mine is up to date |
| 18:39.06 | Shapeshifter | btw, any clues why some apps don't show their proper icon in the app menu right after installation? Some apps seem to, some other dont. |
| 18:39.18 | ali1234 | users won't thank you for using b.m.o as bug tracker |
| 18:39.29 | ali1234 | users will moan about how bugzilla sucks |
| 18:39.33 | khertan2 | shapeshifter it s a bug :) |
| 18:39.34 | SpeedEvil | will. |
| 18:39.35 | Shapeshifter | most of the time, a reboot is required to show the icon |
| 18:39.44 | khertan2 | but wont fix |
| 18:39.51 | Shapeshifter | khertan2: >.> |
| 18:39.55 | cehteh | .. who thinks debians QA is insane didnt seen Maemo yet :> |
| 18:39.57 | khertan2 | as the more menu will disapear in 1.2 |
| 18:39.59 | n00bmonk3y | ali1234 - users, or testers? |
| 18:40.01 | khertan2 | as the more menu will disapear in pr1.2 |
| 18:40.04 | Shapeshifter | khertan2: ahh |
| 18:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | What a fun crowd tonight. |
| 18:40.13 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
| 18:40.17 | n00bmonk3y | we aim to please GeneralAntilles |
| 18:40.20 | ali1234 | n00bmonk3y: users. i don't know what "testers" means |
| 18:40.31 | n00bmonk3y | latest pypackager installed |
| 18:40.36 | nid0 | users wont care what you use as a bugtracker |
| 18:40.38 | ali1234 | does "testers" mean the people who do QA? |
| 18:40.39 | khertan2 | :) |
| 18:41.00 | n00bmonk3y | ali1234 - why will a user not like the tmo approach? - thats as far as most users get.... needing to register for bugzilla is a chore and annoying, and not user friendly |
| 18:41.02 | nid0 | because theyll just post "xxx duznt wurk" on tmo in some irrelevant forum regardless of what bugtracker is used |
| 18:41.05 | n00bmonk3y | yes ali1234 |
| 18:41.17 | ali1234 | n00bmonk3y: because bugzilla is extremely difficult to use for users |
| 18:41.17 | n00bmonk3y | fine by me, i can tidy them up and list them :) |
| 18:41.22 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: why? |
| 18:41.33 | ali1234 | n00bmonk3y: most users would rather post bugs on a forum thread than try to deal with it |
| 18:41.37 | n00bmonk3y | yup ali1234 my point :) - tmo is easier for people to post - granted the posts dont look pretty |
| 18:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, lots of complaining. |
| 18:41.52 | n00bmonk3y | but i prefer it there too :) |
| 18:41.53 | Shapeshifter | mh |
| 18:42.11 | khertan2 | GeneralAntilles : thx to haven t use the word whine |
| 18:42.26 | cehteh | ali1234: which is ok ... i prefer users send me bug reports in simple words (but more than "does not work") instead spamming a bug tracker with noise |
| 18:42.40 | ali1234 | cehteh: everyone prefers that |
| 18:42.51 | khertan2 | specially with that new qa rules |
| 18:42.53 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
| 18:43.02 | cehteh | sometimes i have doubts about that |
| 18:43.04 | khertan2 | which make search in bmo more complicated |
| 18:43.05 | SpeedEvil | bugtracker on 4chan. Everyone wins. |
| 18:43.17 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: haha |
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| 18:44.36 | khertan2 | yep 4chan should be added in the wiki as a validate bug tracker link |
| 18:46.06 | mikkov | javispedro: around? |
| 18:46.37 | n00bmonk3y | how abouts to ease the annoyancey now, when autobuilder goes through it auto-emails for the new bugzilla link? :D - allthough a bit late then i suppose lol |
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| 18:48.15 | ali1234 | i seem to recall a thread on t.m.o where it was stated that "we use bugzilla because it is easy for developers" |
| 18:48.38 | khertan2 | good evening everyone .. and bye |
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| 18:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | We use bugzilla because it's robust, scalable, does what we need it to do and lots of people know how to use it. |
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| 18:49.35 | n00bmonk3y | lol ali1234 - but i'm more of a user then a techy/developer - would much rather things spelt out, in simple order... |
| 18:49.39 | Shapeshifter | whats wrong with bugzilla? |
| 18:49.44 | mece | mikkov, in maemo5 sdk, is the SDL_mixer in i386 not working? I recall you writing something about it somewhere |
| 18:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, it's bugzilla. |
| 18:49.56 | n00bmonk3y | It really is hard enough to learn to code for #maemo without a list of 20 things to do before you can publish |
| 18:50.08 | phreck_ | qt. |
| 18:50.09 | phreck_ | go. |
| 18:50.15 | n00bmonk3y | ? |
| 18:50.18 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: huh... |
| 18:50.23 | ali1234 | Shapeshifter: it is extremely hard to use and doesn't integrate well into the rest of maemo.org, especially the QA process |
| 18:50.26 | Shapeshifter | likes flyspray for that matter |
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| 18:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, people hate bugzilla because it's bugzilla. |
| 18:50.36 | Shapeshifter | ali1234: hard to use?... |
| 18:50.43 | mece | I like bugzilla |
| 18:51.02 | ali1234 | Shapeshifter: yes, hard to use. if i find a bug and try to see if it has already been reported, well, it is almost impossible |
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| 18:51.51 | mece | ali1234, ok, I agree with that one. I'm absolutely clueless as to how I'm supposed see if an issue has been reported. |
| 18:52.17 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi?format=advanced |
| 18:52.19 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 18:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | The quicksearch defaults are idiotic and need changing. |
| 18:52.39 | n00bmonk3y | General - you know what you are doing - what about someone who joined a few weeks ago and wants to help out testing? |
| 18:52.44 | n00bmonk3y | Its not really friendly is it? |
| 18:53.31 | GeneralAntilles | n00bmonk3y, lots of people are around to help |
| 18:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | We all had to start there. |
| 18:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's also my intention to make the process easier |
| 18:53.50 | n00bmonk3y | true, but wouldnt life be easier if the help wasnt needed? and things just worked? |
| 18:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | Part of this comes with the 3.4 upgrade, the rest with some additional work. |
| 18:54.03 | n00bmonk3y | had to remember how to use mirc to get quick help as threads can take a few days... |
| 18:54.05 | GeneralAntilles | n00bmonk3y, yes, utopia is always easier. :) |
| 18:54.22 | n00bmonk3y | GeneralAntilles - i think you are missing the point... if we can make it easier to help, thats a good thing? |
| 18:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | But reality is rarely the same thing. |
| 18:54.30 | GeneralAntilles | n00bmonk3y, sure, and that's what I'm trying to do |
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| 18:54.40 | GeneralAntilles | it doesn't happen overnight, however. :) |
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| 18:55.02 | n00bmonk3y | well i asked a question 40 minutes ago and got no help lol.. just told to use bugtracker which according to the QA process i do not currently have to do...... |
| 18:55.19 | n00bmonk3y | allthough i agree, i know you are trying to help :) |
| 18:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | can see this isn't going anywhere productive. |
| 18:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | will eat lunch instead. |
| 18:55.27 | n00bmonk3y | i'm just a bit pedantic because i'm annoyed :P |
| 18:55.36 | mece | n00bmonk3y, what was the question? |
| 18:55.44 | n00bmonk3y | Lol ty mece :D |
| 18:56.05 | n00bmonk3y | in my build.py file i have the line p.xsbc_bugtracker="http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453" |
| 18:56.19 | mece | have been building lego castles for the last 2 hours, so he hasn't really checked tmo. |
| 18:56.21 | n00bmonk3y | yet the bugtracker link is showing as - xsbc-bugtracker:%20http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 |
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| 18:56.50 | n00bmonk3y | not sure where the beginning bugtracker bit is coming from? |
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| 18:57.56 | n00bmonk3y | but gen is annoyed because i dont want to use bugzilla, because i find it counter productive and prefer to use tmo lol |
| 18:58.52 | mece | %20 means space.. |
| 18:59.08 | mece | so what is the issue? |
| 18:59.13 | n00bmonk3y | lol yup, got that bit ;) |
| 18:59.19 | n00bmonk3y | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/healthcheck/0.5.2-4/ |
| 18:59.26 | n00bmonk3y | look at the bugtracker link on there |
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| 18:59.46 | n00bmonk3y | i cant find out why the link has the beginning bit, when i am only setting it to = the tmo thread link |
| 18:59.51 | mece | ahaa IC |
| 18:59.53 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
| 19:00.41 | n00bmonk3y | the app is being voted down - ok... i probably should get a bugzilla account - but i do not like bugzilla... so.... i'm sticking to something i know :D |
| 19:00.47 | mece | what does the build script look like then? |
| 19:00.49 | mece | pastebin? |
| 19:01.50 | n00bmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/DngiEuzd (Never used pastebin b4, did it work?) |
| 19:02.57 | Aranel | needs help for two buttons - Photoshop. (Maemo related) |
| 19:03.37 | mece | seems to be a py2deb bug (are you using py2deb?) |
| 19:03.43 | mece | I have the same issue with mine.. |
| 19:04.06 | n00bmonk3y | ahhhhh (lol no idea, possibly- i used a method that was easy and worked) one of the two lol |
| 19:04.15 | n00bmonk3y | creates 3 files when run |
| 19:04.19 | n00bmonk3y | i upload them to autobuilder |
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| 19:04.49 | mece | yep. same one. Apparently there's a bug. |
| 19:04.56 | mece | lemme check. |
| 19:05.04 | n00bmonk3y | hmmm so my app could be rejected due to a bug with the uploading lol :P yayness |
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| 19:05.27 | mece | yep. just edit debian/control |
| 19:05.43 | n00bmonk3y | ahhhh, got no files at all in debain folder |
| 19:05.44 | n00bmonk3y | :| |
| 19:05.48 | n00bmonk3y | debian* |
| 19:05.49 | mece | you see the problem right away. |
| 19:05.51 | mece | oh right.. |
| 19:05.54 | n00bmonk3y | :D hehe |
| 19:06.01 | mece | you need to unpack the tar |
| 19:06.02 | n00bmonk3y | so new to coding hadnt had the need to learn that yet |
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| 19:06.21 | mece | too bad khertan left already |
| 19:06.33 | mece | LOL |
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| 19:06.40 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 19:06.41 | mece | that was convenient... |
| 19:06.56 | n00bmonk3y | every time i build it i'ma gonna need to unpack it to edit a file and repack? :( |
| 19:07.00 | ali1234 | mece: khertan had a different problem |
| 19:07.07 | mece | oh? |
| 19:07.10 | n00bmonk3y | pity because i like just doing it on the device, and that just gets complicated :( |
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| 19:07.20 | mece | khertan made py2deb |
| 19:07.24 | n00bmonk3y | :) |
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| 19:07.30 | n00bmonk3y | thinks khertan is clever lol |
| 19:07.33 | khertan | Hi again ... |
| 19:07.35 | mece | khertan! |
| 19:07.36 | n00bmonk3y | Yay! |
| 19:07.37 | mece | right.. |
| 19:07.42 | n00bmonk3y | khertan did i mention i love you? |
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| 19:07.47 | khertan | finally found some time to back again |
| 19:07.58 | ali1234 | mece: oic |
| 19:07.59 | mece | khertan, py2deb makes bugtracker url wrong. |
| 19:08.06 | khertan | n00bmonk3y: ? uhm ... nope didn't remember that |
| 19:08.08 | khertan | mece: ? |
| 19:08.10 | n00bmonk3y | hehehe |
| 19:08.21 | n00bmonk3y | = my build file - http://pastebin.com/DngiEuzd |
| 19:08.32 | n00bmonk3y | check the bug link here - http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/healthcheck/0.5.2-3/ |
| 19:08.36 | mece | khertan, in debian/control, you get this type of problem: XSBC-Bugtracker: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://bugs.maemo.org |
| 19:08.56 | n00bmonk3y | mece described it better and quicker :) |
| 19:09.08 | khertan | XSBC-Bugtracker should be converted by autobuilder |
| 19:09.17 | mece | oh.. hmm. |
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| 19:09.31 | mece | doesn't autobuilder use debian/control? |
| 19:09.40 | khertan | for source only |
| 19:09.54 | khertan | for binary upload with dput it doesn't of course |
| 19:09.58 | mece | khertan, ok, well where does it get the url to bugtracker then? |
| 19:10.12 | khertan | ok ... |
| 19:10.21 | fzfq3m | Hi.. has somebody used the pidgin extra protocols for conversations integration? More specifically with Facebook Account |
| 19:10.22 | khertan | i understand you use py2deb |
| 19:10.24 | mece | since that error in control appeared before autobuilder touched it. |
| 19:10.25 | khertan | not pypackager |
| 19:10.25 | khertan | :) |
| 19:10.28 | mece | yes |
| 19:10.41 | n00bmonk3y | i need to confirm this dont i lol |
| 19:11.04 | khertan | i ve merge recently py2deb and pypackager to pypackager |
| 19:11.13 | khertan | with changes for the new QA rules |
| 19:11.20 | mece | it says "import py2deb" so yea, you use py2deb also, n00bmonk3y |
| 19:11.30 | khertan | let me 5 minutes to convert your script to pypackager |
| 19:11.34 | n00bmonk3y | yay ty mce |
| 19:11.37 | n00bmonk3y | mece* |
| 19:11.41 | mece | np. |
| 19:11.43 | n00bmonk3y | hmmm hold on |
| 19:11.53 | Shapeshifter | khertan: do you have a guide for such a conversion? I got a py2deb script as well, I guess I need to convert it soon as well. |
| 19:11.53 | n00bmonk3y | everytime i build it will be wrong tho? |
| 19:12.14 | mece | khertan, well a sample script would be sufficient for me- |
| 19:12.15 | khertan | Shapeshifter: not yet :) |
| 19:12.22 | n00bmonk3y | just checked - py2deb installed :) |
| 19:13.04 | mece | I guess we'll be getting a sample script in n00bmonk3y script :) |
| 19:13.15 | mece | anyway I've gotta split. the wife is beating me with a stick. |
| 19:13.18 | fzfq3m | Facebook contacts are created just when the user(Friend) get connected to facebook while I connected too!!! is that normal?? |
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| 19:13.39 | khertan | http://pastebin.com/BBLkyS5h <- the script i use for pygtkeditor |
| 19:13.44 | n00bmonk3y | thanks mece |
| 19:13.51 | n00bmonk3y | and lol |
| 19:14.03 | ali1234 | fzfq3m: no, but it probably is dependent on how facebook and the pidgin plugin for it works |
| 19:14.46 | ali1234 | fzfq3m: for most protocols you should get all contacts when you connect, but maybe facebook just doesn't allow that |
| 19:14.49 | mece | oh.. I have a few minutes still heh. |
| 19:15.01 | n00bmonk3y | assume i just need to run it? |
| 19:15.03 | ali1234 | fzfq3m: in particular, pidgin/MSN does not have this problem. i didn't try any others |
| 19:15.14 | fzfq3m | ali1234: It works that way for me... I though I did something wrong and then I reflashed my N900 (Firmware and eMMC) but still the same |
| 19:16.12 | fzfq3m | ali123: yeah.. I also use it with MSN and it works OK... all msn contacts are created at once!!! |
| 19:16.19 | Shapeshifter | I thought facebook went XMPP now. |
| 19:17.21 | user478964415 | n00bmonk3y: http://pastebin.com/fBhAmKAk |
| 19:17.33 | mece | yeah facebook is xmpp |
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| 19:17.38 | mece | that's the correct way to do it. |
| 19:17.38 | user478964415 | n00bmonk3y: should be ok after an apt-get install pypackager :) |
| 19:17.42 | mece | afaik |
| 19:17.52 | mece | hehe nice nick khertan :) |
| 19:18.04 | user478964415 | yep |
| 19:18.11 | user478964415 | this is the bot |
| 19:18.27 | user478964415 | :) |
| 19:18.36 | Shapeshifter | fzfq3m: http://www.facebook.com/sitetour/chat.php just follow this to make yourself an XMPP facebook address and then add it as a jabber service. |
| 19:18.44 | khertan | :) |
| 19:19.07 | khertan | so converting script is easy |
| 19:19.17 | khertan | just take care of some changes in name :) |
| 19:19.24 | fzfq3m | Shapeshifter: yeah... I also tried using jabber account against chat.facebook.com... But I like the way that facebook plugin adds the contact... it just use user id.. something like 549464965 |
| 19:19.40 | khertan | and now you can with the same script generate source package or binary package |
| 19:19.46 | fzfq3m | Shapeshifter: Anyway I will revert back to jabber |
| 19:20.13 | Shapeshifter | fzfq3m: the old facebook chat is an abominations |
| 19:20.19 | khertan | but i didn't think that my packaging tools was usefull to other ... i was thinking i'm the only one to use it |
| 19:20.31 | fzfq3m | Shapeshifter: Why is that?? |
| 19:20.41 | mece | khertan, it's the only way I could get anything done. |
| 19:20.45 | khertan | Shapeshifter: facebook is an abominations |
| 19:20.55 | mece | sure it is. |
| 19:21.06 | khertan | mece: oh ? really ? you are an other onboard developpers like me ? |
| 19:21.27 | khertan | using a netbook in the metro is cleary not possible :) |
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| 19:21.59 | khertan | every apps i do for maemo was writted in the train or in the metro |
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| 19:22.05 | khertan | s/do/write |
| 19:22.15 | Shapeshifter | fzfq3m: total crap protocol and implementation. just forget it ever happened. |
| 19:22.21 | mece | khertan, I write mine on the crapper |
| 19:22.44 | khertan | :) |
| 19:23.05 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
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| 19:23.30 | khertan | n00bmonk3y: does the script works ? |
| 19:23.51 | khertan | there is also : p.display_name as you can see in pypackager |
| 19:24.06 | n00bmonk3y | not tried yet, just had a shower - gotta go out in 10 - trying to run it now :) |
| 19:24.07 | fzfq3m | Shapeshifter: lol .... Then I will use jabber instead |
| 19:24.14 | fzfq3m | Shapeshifter: Thanks |
| 19:24.24 | khertan | maybe one day i should learn wiki syntax to edit wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb |
| 19:24.31 | khertan | hate wiki |
| 19:24.50 | mece | khertan, paste it there raw, and I'll make it look nicer. |
| 19:25.07 | mece | but not right now. gotta go. for reals now. tata. |
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| 19:25.31 | n00bmonk3y | do i just run it on my device? |
| 19:28.50 | mikkov | mece: what's the problem with SDL_mixer? |
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| 19:30.13 | dang_ | hello |
| 19:30.20 | dang_ | can someone tell me what the path is to save wallpapers in? |
| 19:30.56 | n00bmonk3y | mikkov - mece left :( |
| 19:31.08 | caratorn | dang_: I think it's MyDocs/.images/ |
| 19:31.10 | n00bmonk3y | no idea, sorry dang :P |
| 19:31.20 | dang_ | caratorn: thanks a lot! |
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| 19:47.26 | khertan | bye everyone |
| 19:47.48 | khertan | n00bmonk3y: if you have any question just send me a mail at khertan@khertan.net |
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| 19:55.57 | corecode | zsh: segmentation fault ./modest -s |
| 19:56.00 | corecode | gah. |
| 20:01.40 | khertan | Someone have already try android here ? did you can do onboard development with a such OS ? |
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| 20:05.10 | corecode | did you can do? |
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| 20:06.48 | Kirk | listen |
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| 20:07.11 | Stskeeps | ENOWAY |
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| 20:09.03 | khertan | corecode: i mean can you write code on the device ... and run it directly |
| 20:09.18 | corecode | wrong channel i suppose |
| 20:09.21 | khertan | corecode: without needs of a desktop computer to code, build, package |
| 20:09.27 | khertan | corecode: yep ... and not :) |
| 20:09.50 | khertan | just to know if some maemo user have already use / see a android os |
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| 20:10.02 | khertan | for my part ... i never |
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| 20:11.18 | Stskeeps | ponders idly to go on a shopping spree and buying all calvin and hobbes comic books |
| 20:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't they release a collection a few years ago? |
| 20:11.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, just saw it |
| 20:11.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Calvin-Hobbes-v/dp/0740748475 |
| 20:12.16 | GeneralAntilles | Friend of mine has the Far Side collection |
| 20:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's a decent set. |
| 20:12.51 | pupnik_ | stupid philosophers though |
| 20:12.55 | Stskeeps | then again, it would be a bit cliche to start collecting comic books at this age |
| 20:13.03 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 20:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | Calvin and Hobbes aint exactly Spiderman. |
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| 20:15.52 | corecode | great. modest segfaults on my desktop |
| 20:16.04 | corecode | how's that supposed to work on my n900 then |
| 20:16.37 | khertan | does you desktop is an arm cpu ? |
| 20:16.52 | corecode | no |
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| 20:17.04 | khertan | maybe you got your answer :) |
| 20:17.08 | corecode | why |
| 20:17.43 | satmd | well, he assumes you have taken the plain binary and try to run it on the desktop |
| 20:17.48 | corecode | ... |
| 20:17.53 | corecode | that would be plain stupid |
| 20:17.58 | corecode | i compiled it from git |
| 20:18.20 | satmd | thought of X forwarding and qemu |
| 20:18.21 | satmd | ;D |
| 20:18.24 | khertan | i didn't remember if modest is available in the sdk ... but try to run it on scratchbox before, i ll not be surprise if there is some glitches on x86 |
| 20:18.53 | corecode | i didn't have time to look into scratchbox use |
| 20:19.18 | khertan | :) |
| 20:19.28 | khertan | same : |
| 20:19.30 | khertan | :) |
| 20:19.38 | corecode | i installed it |
| 20:19.40 | corecode | but that's all |
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| 20:20.11 | khertan | i didn't finish the install ... too much error due to my 64bits install |
| 20:21.10 | khertan | oh god you cannot made onboard dev on Android OS |
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| 20:21.54 | corecode | strange, i have 64bit as well here |
| 20:21.58 | corecode | and it worked without problems |
| 20:23.46 | Shapeshifter | is not very happy with libalarm |
| 20:26.01 | khertan | corecode: yep but it s maybe due to old ubuntu install ... upgraded ... upgraded ... upgraded ... with custom things on it |
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| 20:26.17 | corecode | ok |
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| 20:26.20 | toggles_w | Shapeshifter: not very intuitive is it |
| 20:26.29 | Shapeshifter | toggles_w: not very |
| 20:26.53 | Shapeshifter | toggles_w: also, the doc is obscure and error reporting isn't that good |
| 20:27.30 | toggles_w | Shapeshifter: yeah, i gave up and used bash ;-) |
| 20:27.39 | Shapeshifter | ^^ |
| 20:27.49 | Shapeshifter | toggles_w: I'm writing a frontend |
| 20:28.35 | toggles_w | Shapeshifter: yeah, i started that too, figured for all i wanted to do a crappy cron script in bash was faster to implement and easier to maintain, plus cross platform... |
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| 20:28.51 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully to be replaced in MeeGo |
| 20:29.02 | Shapeshifter | toggles_w: I just want automatic gprs-data resetting. I got that now |
| 20:29.08 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: D: |
| 20:29.13 | toggles_w | GeneralAntilles: another reason not to bother |
| 20:29.13 | Shapeshifter | then all my work was for nothing |
| 20:29.17 | toggles_w | lol |
| 20:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | Probably still in Harmattan |
| 20:29.39 | mmarc__ | guys, could we put a firewall onto n900? I've got gprs traffic leak with messangers turned off and no usage. |
| 20:29.49 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: they _could_ just use cron imo >.> |
| 20:29.52 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: gprs leak doing what |
| 20:29.57 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: inbound or out? |
| 20:30.02 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: tcpdump! |
| 20:30.37 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, there were a variety of reasons why that wasn't workable back in the day. |
| 20:30.47 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: back in the day? is it old? |
| 20:30.49 | mmarc__ | data counter counted 1.5 megabytes of gprs traffic on idle state, without any usage. I can't stand with this, it's not cheap in my area. |
| 20:30.59 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, i.e., 770/N800 timeframe. |
| 20:31.05 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: mhhh |
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| 20:31.14 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: is it possibly the autoupdate? |
| 20:31.14 | mmarc__ | 1.5 megs just in two last hours |
| 20:31.28 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: I'd first tcpdump it - and see what it is. |
| 20:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | mmarc__, N900 is a data-intensive device. |
| 20:32.18 | SpeedEvil | data intensive device doesn't mean it should do shit without permission. |
| 20:32.23 | SpeedEvil | IMO |
| 20:32.29 | mmarc__ | I'd like all this autocrap to turn on with wifi available only. Thanks, I will try tcpdump |
| 20:33.17 | SpeedEvil | autoupdate or other things ever kicking in over gprs (and not configurable not to) is a bug. |
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| 20:35.18 | mmarc__ | I never have such gprs bills before, as for last few days, if nokia thinks we have gprs for free, it will get its phone back with refund request. |
| 20:35.31 | Shapeshifter | Mhh, this is such a pain. This just raises InvalidEventException, which appens when alarmd_event_add(event.obj) returns 0 as the cookie. No reason given why it wont get added |
| 20:36.16 | Shapeshifter | mh. trial and error showed... some random behaviour. now it worked |
| 20:36.21 | Shapeshifter | goes back pondering |
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| 20:56.06 | Shapeshifter | Mhh. alarmd is just weird. I have this event which is supposed to just ring an alarm once an hour. So I have action_stop.flags |= (alarm.ACTION_WHEN_RESPONDED | alarm.ACTION_TYPE_NOP) and a stop and a snooze button. Now, the first time, it waits until the correct time to ring the alarm the first time. But then, if I hit "Stop", it will ring again every minute. Doesn't matter if I do or do not set recurrence.mask_min |= ... |
| 20:56.12 | Shapeshifter | ... alarm.RECUR_MIN_DONTCARE. I don't even get what this "DONTCARE" is about its so badly documented. |
| 20:56.32 | Shapeshifter | and if I set alarm.ACTION_TYPE_DISABLE instead of NOP, it will be definetely disabled. |
| 20:57.04 | ShadowJK | I expect I will just set gprs to "always ask" when I go travel |
| 20:57.32 | SpeedEvil | always ask is a bit broken though. |
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| 20:57.52 | ShadowJK | how come? |
| 20:58.01 | SpeedEvil | If I open up the web browser to look at a small text page - I don't want something else getting in and deciding it'd like to download a meg. |
| 20:58.13 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 20:58.28 | SpeedEvil | Getting it right is hard though. |
| 20:58.36 | SpeedEvil | you'd want soemthing like quotas. |
| 20:59.25 | ShadowJK | maybe i'll just get a prepaid card with data :) |
| 20:59.30 | ShadowJK | instead of using roaming data |
| 20:59.53 | SpeedEvil | Generally a good plan. |
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| 21:02.45 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: i did that in US |
| 21:02.59 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: and i've used $100 in 20 minutes |
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| 21:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as pre-paid data in the US. |
| 21:04.58 | ShadowJK | I heard there was one |
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| 21:06.25 | burchr | GeneralAntilles: *waves hand* - this is not the paid data you are looking for? :) |
| 21:06.45 | jacekowski | GeneralAntilles: there is |
| 21:06.53 | jacekowski | GeneralAntilles: i had sim from at&t |
| 21:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | jacekowski, from whom? |
| 21:07.22 | jacekowski | it took me a lot of walking from one place to antoher |
| 21:07.25 | jacekowski | another* |
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| 21:09.08 | Shapeshifter | prepaid data is like 20 usd for 1GB for one month in germany ;) |
| 21:09.44 | ShadowJK | "Alditalk's monthly flatrate for ⬠14.99/30 days (eplus network, no HSPA, partial EDGE-coverage, frequent network congestions) " |
| 21:09.57 | ShadowJK | http://prepaid-wireless-internet-access.wetpaint.com/page/Germany ? |
| 21:10.11 | Shapeshifter | yeah stuff like that |
| 21:10.23 | Shapeshifter | it's not _that_ bad. |
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| 21:17.30 | pupnik_ | now that n900 nolonger forwards all my incoming calls to a random stranger, i am happy with tschibo/o2 germany |
| 21:17.59 | pupnik_ | probably pebkac too |
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| 21:21.51 | toggles_w | i hate pebkac |
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| 21:22.33 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 21:25.39 | Arif_ | so |
| 21:25.43 | Arif_ | hi |
| 21:25.44 | Arif_ | :P |
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| 21:29.32 | burchr | hi! |
| 21:29.49 | johnsq | Arif_: what keyboard hi -> so? |
| 21:30.18 | Arif_ | Not any that I used |
| 21:30.19 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:31.47 | rzr | hi are there broken n900 owners around ? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB |
| 21:32.48 | rzr | i was wondering if replacement ones are more reliable, because i plan to get one soon |
| 21:32.59 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 21:33.07 | Arif_ | I keep mine falling around but it still works :D |
| 21:33.30 | zaheerm | people at nokia have said it's a warranty issue and that they should contact nokia care for a replacement |
| 21:34.00 | rzr | yes they said |
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| 21:34.17 | rzr | but is the replacement better ? |
| 21:34.29 | zaheerm | no clue but the replacement would also be under warranty |
| 21:34.43 | Arif_ | will it charge the phone faster :D |
| 21:34.50 | johnsq | the warrenty starts new on this part |
| 21:34.53 | rzr | or redesigned ? |
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| 21:38.00 | opdf2 | is this chan for general n900 talk as well? |
| 21:38.26 | Hoxzer | yes |
| 21:38.58 | Arif_ | as well? |
| 21:39.00 | Arif_ | what else is it for? |
| 21:40.05 | Hoxzer | Arif_: probably n770-N810 too |
| 21:40.13 | Arif_ | aw |
| 21:40.20 | Arif_ | only 4 people have one of those anyway |
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| 21:44.23 | joker_89 | Hello,anyone uses python? |
| 21:44.35 | Khertan_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Bugtracker what to add to a such discussion : http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Bugtracker bye see you on an other plateform ? |
| 21:46.06 | Arif_ | invites Khertan_ to android |
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| 21:47.28 | dregin | Khertan_: you're looking at the aemo bug tracker |
| 21:47.51 | Khertan_ | Arif i m already on #android |
| 21:48.06 | joker_89 | anyone programming with python? |
| 21:48.17 | lcuk | joker_89, ask your question |
| 21:48.51 | joker_89 | i have problems with the pys60, with import urllib.openurl |
| 21:48.54 | joker_89 | says AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'urlopen' |
| 21:49.21 | lcuk | yes im sure some are |
| 21:49.34 | lcuk | excuse me s60? |
| 21:49.57 | joker_89 | yeah |
| 21:51.15 | joker_89 | can i put maemo on a n85? |
| 21:51.34 | lcuk | i dunno, i dont have one |
| 21:51.41 | Khertan_ | http://maemo.org/packages/view/vectormine/ <-- dput the package 1.0.6 this morning ... 12h later still not in extras devel ... |
| 21:51.59 | joker_89 | lcuk you have maemo? |
| 21:52.09 | lcuk | a bit yeah |
| 21:52.20 | joker_89 | waht mobile? |
| 21:52.27 | Khertan_ | im tired all this fucking process sucks ! i m tired ... |
| 21:52.36 | Khertan_ | bye |
| 21:52.38 | lcuk | joker_89, n900 |
| 21:52.48 | lcuk | khertan, thats not good |
| 21:52.51 | joker_89 | n900 to expensive |
| 21:53.09 | Arif_ | blinks |
| 21:53.20 | zaheerm | joker_89, maybe there is a channel #symbian you can go to to ask the python s60 question |
| 21:53.21 | Khertan_ | no more try to push in extras |
| 21:53.32 | Khertan_ | bye maemo .. and no nogo ! |
| 21:53.48 | dregin | nice |
| 21:53.50 | dregin | :P |
| 21:53.51 | Arif_ | aww |
| 21:53.53 | joker_89 | this channel is dead |
| 21:53.56 | Arif_ | he couldn't wait for Moogo |
| 21:54.17 | zaheerm | joker_89, which channel is dead? |
| 21:54.25 | dregin | you came in asking ridiculous questions and pronounce the channel dead? |
| 21:54.29 | dregin | gg |
| 21:54.32 | joker_89 | symbian |
| 21:54.35 | zaheerm | joker_89, bear in mind we are not gods, we know very little about symbian programming |
| 21:54.56 | zaheerm | joker_89, maemo is more different to symbian than windows to mac os x |
| 21:55.07 | dregin | thank god :P |
| 21:55.16 | joker_89 | but there ara few mobiles with maemo |
| 21:55.22 | joker_89 | why this hcannel is full? |
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| 21:55.24 | Shapeshifter | lol |
| 21:55.29 | Shapeshifter | he's a joker. |
| 21:55.29 | dregin | why not? |
| 21:55.39 | zaheerm | joker_89, there is one mobile phone with maemo 5, that is Nokia N900 |
| 21:55.52 | joker_89 | and its to expensive |
| 21:55.53 | zaheerm | joker_89, there are 4 other devices running maemo made by nokia |
| 21:56.04 | Arif_ | wait 4? |
| 21:56.10 | Arif_ | whats the 4th? |
| 21:56.15 | zaheerm | 770, n800, n810, n810 we |
| 21:56.23 | dregin | Nokia 3210 has it I HEARD |
| 21:56.31 | dregin | :P |
| 21:56.43 | Arif_ | with snake! |
| 21:56.50 | joker_89 | mm |
| 21:56.56 | joker_89 | and anyone have symbian? |
| 21:56.59 | lbt | thinks about all the devices Mer went onto... that's essentially maemo |
| 21:57.01 | zaheerm | joker_89, symbian phones are cheaper generally |
| 21:57.17 | Arif_ | I have a gameboy 95 8Bit edition |
| 21:57.18 | zaheerm | joker_89, the people who program symbian are probably sleeping now, go back tomorrow morning |
| 21:57.18 | dregin | why are you in a maemo channel demanding information on a completely different operating system? |
| 21:57.32 | zaheerm | joker_89, go back to #symbian that is |
| 21:57.44 | joker_89 | always ara sleeping |
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| 21:57.49 | joker_89 | what time is it? |
| 21:58.01 | dregin | .... |
| 21:58.09 | zaheerm | joker_89, look at the clock |
| 21:58.30 | opdf2 | i understand that nothing has been official sed on maemo 6, meego on n900, but is the outlook on n900 software support healthy? |
| 21:58.33 | joker_89 | 22:58 |
| 21:58.39 | lcuk | joker_89, perhaps you are expecting too much and not asking the right questions, getting responses out of people in irc is like fishing. you have to have the correct sort of bait |
| 21:58.57 | Shapeshifter | lcuk: wow you're a friendly fellow ;) |
| 21:59.00 | zaheerm | joker_89, also you can propbably use google to find an answer to your question, i hear they do a good search facility for the web |
| 21:59.06 | opdf2 | its the only 1700 wcdma device with qwerty keyboard what is not Tmobile branded, so I'm looking to get one |
| 21:59.07 | lcuk | Shapeshifter :) |
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| 21:59.29 | joker_89 | i search and i dont get information |
| 21:59.35 | joker_89 | and dont work on emulator |
| 21:59.36 | zaheerm | joker_89, well i can help a little |
| 21:59.43 | zaheerm | joker_89, do: import urllib |
| 21:59.48 | joker_89 | i do this |
| 22:00.02 | joker_89 | and then urllib.urlopen |
| 22:00.04 | joker_89 | and says error |
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| 22:00.18 | ShadowJK | there's #pys60 for Python on Symbian S60 |
| 22:00.19 | dregin | #python maybe? |
| 22:00.20 | Shapeshifter | I'm less friendly. I call vampire |
| 22:00.31 | ShadowJK | oh, he's already there. |
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| 22:00.54 | tripzero | so my n900 isn't showing up as an external drive on my ubuntu boxes |
| 22:01.01 | zaheerm | joker_89, where did you get the example urllib.urlopen ? |
| 22:01.23 | joker_89 | from nokia wiki |
| 22:01.49 | zaheerm | joker_89, and has your phone got s60 5th edition or 3rd edition? |
| 22:01.54 | joker_89 | seems very easy but.. dont work, |
| 22:02.01 | joker_89 | 3rd |
| 22:02.14 | zaheerm | joker_89, they probably have an older python version for 3rd edition |
| 22:02.16 | joker_89 | i try with python 1.4.4, 1.4.5 and 2.0.0 from maemo |
| 22:02.22 | zaheerm | joker_89, which may not have urllib.urlopen |
| 22:02.40 | zaheerm | maemo stuff will not usually work on symbian |
| 22:02.42 | joker_89 | i do all with the emulator |
| 22:03.22 | zaheerm | ask in #pys60 |
| 22:03.30 | zaheerm | it is a dedicated channel for python on s60 |
| 22:05.39 | zaheerm | there is also a mailing list you can ask your question in |
| 22:06.43 | zaheerm | http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60 |
| 22:06.54 | zaheerm | read that under "Getting help" |
| 22:08.20 | joker_89 | okk |
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| 22:08.56 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 22:09.04 | Hoxzer | :/ Been noticing huge amount of n900's in my school. Saw 3 today |
| 22:09.07 | Hoxzer | and 2 yesterday |
| 22:09.15 | Arif_ | what school |
| 22:09.24 | Hoxzer | surely they're giving them for free or something. I'm sure |
| 22:09.25 | zaheerm | must be finland |
| 22:09.28 | Hoxzer | zaheerm: yeah |
| 22:09.34 | Shapeshifter | So, for example now I tried setting the minute of this recurrence. I did: recurrence.mask_min = 42 and now the event actually shows "recurrence_tab0.mask_min: 42" in alarm_queue.ini, so it seems like something happened. There's also an hour mask, "ecurrence_tab0.mask_hour: 16777215" which comes from recurrence.mask_hour |= alarm.RECUR_HOUR_ALL. but despite all this, the alarm didn't ring at 42. |
| 22:09.41 | Arif_ | mine flow through half a corridor by accident today |
| 22:09.45 | Arif_ | flew* |
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| 22:09.46 | Arif_ | :D |
| 22:09.49 | Hoxzer | There is at least one project going on for n900 in my school :( |
| 22:09.57 | Hoxzer | something related to ad-hoc networking |
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| 22:10.10 | Hoxzer | They were doing that even before n900 was releasted though |
| 22:10.21 | Arif_ | everyone has a crackberry at my school... |
| 22:10.29 | Hoxzer | :P |
| 22:10.43 | Arif_ | they haven't figured out MSN can be used on mobiles too |
| 22:10.54 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 22:10.58 | Hoxzer | and IRC and email |
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| 22:11.04 | Hoxzer | and skype! |
| 22:11.05 | Arif_ | and facebook |
| 22:11.06 | Arif_ | and twitter |
| 22:11.08 | Arif_ | and voip |
| 22:11.10 | Arif_ | and skype |
| 22:11.12 | Arif_ | and.....and.... |
| 22:11.14 | Hoxzer | skype is awsome default feature in maemo :) |
| 22:11.22 | Tuxprobe | hi, i cant find my unix-box through Media Shares :/ |
| 22:11.29 | Tuxprobe | whats so awfully wrong with my setup?? |
| 22:11.31 | Arif_ | have you set up an upnp server |
| 22:11.35 | lcuk | Hoxzer, great! put your school o nthe map pininthemap.com/maemo |
| 22:11.37 | Hoxzer | especially as I'm almost always able to get wlan connect |
| 22:11.38 | lcuk | and make sure they blog about stuff |
| 22:11.48 | Tuxprobe | arif_ whats that? |
| 22:11.55 | Arif_ | well there you go |
| 22:11.57 | Arif_ | :D |
| 22:12.08 | inz | Hoxzer, yeah, I've noticed N900s-a-plenty too; only saw 3 N810s |
| 22:12.16 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 22:12.17 | Arif_ | you need an UPnP server on your PC |
| 22:12.37 | inz | Hoxzer, the ad-hoc social networking thingie is seeking participants, have you applied?-) |
| 22:12.39 | Tuxprobe | like, why does Windows 7 come with that by default?? |
| 22:13.07 | Arif_ | because it has WMP |
| 22:13.08 | lcuk | Hoxzer, where bouts are you? |
| 22:13.09 | Tuxprobe | gupnp-tools - UPnP Tools? |
| 22:13.14 | Arif_ | and WMP has UPnP :P |
| 22:13.24 | Arif_ | no idea about loonix though |
| 22:13.26 | Arif_ | I don't use that |
| 22:13.55 | Hoxzer | inz: no, not really |
| 22:15.00 | lcuk | does ad-hoc networking |
| 22:16.04 | inz | Hoxzer, I hate those free-form boxes; the pilot seems interesting (and you could win a N900 =) |
| 22:16.58 | inz | I've never owned any tablet :( |
| 22:17.10 | lcuk | o_O inz |
| 22:17.28 | Tuxprobe | noone has samba shares available on the maemo from a nix box? |
| 22:17.52 | inz | I've had plenty in use (4 atm), but owned: none. |
| 22:18.34 | Corsac | Tuxprobe: not sure maemo shares anything? |
| 22:18.40 | Corsac | by default at least |
| 22:19.16 | Hoxzer | Tuxprobe: You can use sshfs as an alternative |
| 22:19.39 | tripzero | mmm, does the n900 have sshfs? |
| 22:19.43 | Tuxprobe | hoxzer ive allready setup a sshfs script just struggling with the permissions now |
| 22:19.59 | Tuxprobe | but would be nice with an on demand auto discovery.. |
| 22:20.35 | Tuxprobe | with sshfs i need to change configuration on the device for each share - with samba the shares are controlled via ui on the laptop ) |
| 22:20.52 | ShadowJK | fuse is an included kernel module so I imagine it'd be possible to install sshfs.. I vaguely recall people are using it |
| 22:21.12 | Hoxzer | Tuxprobe: Have you tried to mount it as a root with -allow_other option? |
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| 22:21.30 | Hoxzer | Tuxprobe: It can be done without root permissions and should be done but that's the quick and dirty way |
| 22:21.44 | Tuxprobe | well, im on it :) |
| 22:21.53 | Hoxzer | Also maemo will change permissions back to default after reboot |
| 22:22.03 | Tuxprobe | was just scouting through sshfs options prior to giving smb a last try |
| 22:22.05 | hurbanza | gulp |
| 22:22.15 | dregin | just looking at scratchbox.org... nothing has happened on it for 4 years. Is it still used for dev? |
| 22:22.27 | lcuk | dregin, yes |
| 22:22.30 | Tuxprobe | dregin yes |
| 22:22.32 | Tuxprobe | :) |
| 22:22.55 | Tuxprobe | and now integrated as plugin with sbrsh into eclipse |
| 22:23.22 | dregin | I see scratchbox2 in ubuntu repos... |
| 22:23.26 | dregin | installs that |
| 22:23.30 | Tuxprobe | 'remote shell' allowing to do -> compile, build dist, run remotely live on device |
| 22:23.30 | inz | dregin, there are news from 2009-12-14, that's less than 4 months. |
| 22:24.02 | inz | And scratchbox2 is quite different from scratchbox, and may not work for what you want. |
| 22:24.14 | inz | If it works, it's somewhat more elegant though =) |
| 22:24.19 | dregin | hmmmm maybe I read 2009 as 2006 |
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| 22:31.44 | inz | Hoxzer, do you know, when did TOASnet stop revealing the full address by ip address? |
| 22:32.22 | lcuk | posted to slashdot |
| 22:32.25 | inz | Hoxzer, nowadays it seems one can only take a guess at the building; and even that needs some additional knowledge. |
| 22:32.28 | lcuk | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1571700&cid=31363800 |
| 22:32.44 | Hoxzer | inz: I guess when they started using dhcp |
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| 22:33.17 | inz | Hoxzer, ah, that would make it, yes =) |
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| 22:34.06 | corecode | finds 64bit bugs in tinymail |
| 22:34.29 | Shapeshifter | So, any hints on my little libalarm issue? |
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| 22:35.07 | inz | Hoxzer, just to make sure my guess isn't all off, you _do_ live in w3, right? |
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| 22:36.10 | Hoxzer | inz: dude, stop yelling my location here. Who knows what type of rapist lurk around here |
| 22:36.23 | Hoxzer | inz: but no I dont but very close |
| 22:36.48 | inz | Hoxzer, well, I'm pretty sure no one can find you even if they know what w3 meant. |
| 22:37.06 | inz | Hoxzer, and if even that is incorrect, then blah =) |
| 22:37.13 | Hoxzer | :) |
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| 22:37.45 | inz | I was just curious what kind of changes they've made since I left the precious fast tube. |
| 22:38.12 | inz | But it seems, then, that they've done some major revamping there. |
| 22:38.27 | villager | Shapeshifter: setting mask to 42 won't make it ring at :42... setting mask to 1 << 42 might |
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| 22:41.57 | ShadowJK | tmo is such a cesspool I don't feel like doing anything except troll the whiners :P |
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| 22:42.15 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, Woo! |
| 22:42.22 | inz | troll, troll, troll your post, gently down the thread |
| 22:42.40 | Xisdibik | liked inz's song so much he wants to hear the next part |
| 22:42.55 | ShadowJK | just implied taht the reason there are "no apps" for n900 is because n900 already does everything one could possibly want it to do |
| 22:43.36 | Xisdibik | ShadowJK, people just need to optify their apps :P |
| 22:43.54 | ShadowJK | oh yes, on that regard I'm in the whiner category |
| 22:44.25 | ShadowJK | installed tcpdump and is down to 50M free on / :( |
| 22:44.49 | corecode | pvanhoof: you there? |
| 22:46.10 | inz | Xisdibik, flames, flames, flames, flames, whiners are upset |
| 22:46.29 | inz | Oh wait, merrily is three syllables, that didn't work out |
| 22:46.46 | burchr | 'flamity' |
| 22:46.49 | Shapeshifter | villager: mhhh thanks I'll try that |
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| 22:47.12 | pvanhoof | corecode, I am, but don't shoot me for something I did wrong :) |
| 22:47.22 | Xisdibik | inz, ill wait, you can fix it :) |
| 22:47.40 | corecode | pvanhoof: tinymail uses GUINT_TO_POINTER(type) in many places |
| 22:48.01 | corecode | pvanhoof: i have the feeling that this chops the type to 32 bits |
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| 22:48.50 | pvanhoof | corecode, hmm, tinymail has been 2 years ago when I last did major coding for that. A better person to ask is sergio on channels like #modest and #tinymail on GIMPNet |
| 22:48.50 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 22:49.11 | pvanhoof | corecode, of course, if im honest, im still tinymail's maintainer ;), but so is sergio now |
| 22:49.14 | corecode | pvanhoof: ah thanks |
| 22:49.33 | pvanhoof | np, enjoy coding |
| 22:49.47 | corecode | pvanhoof: quick question |
| 22:49.51 | pvanhoof | sure |
| 22:50.04 | corecode | pvanhoof: modest doesn't support storing sent mails on imap |
| 22:50.15 | corecode | pvanhoof: is that a tinymail issue, or just missing from modest |
| 22:50.18 | pvanhoof | I know tinymail could easily support this |
| 22:50.33 | pvanhoof | Tinymail doesn't mind about the nature of the sent folder |
| 22:50.42 | pvanhoof | It's just a tny_folder_add |
| 22:50.44 | corecode | so tinymail can imap store |
| 22:50.48 | corecode | okay |
| 22:50.50 | pvanhoof | Yes |
| 22:50.50 | corecode | thanks |
| 22:50.56 | pvanhoof | Adapting modest for this should be easy |
| 22:51.10 | corecode | yea, first i need to get it running here |
| 22:51.25 | corecode | but maybe crosscompiling is as good? |
| 22:51.27 | corecode | i dunno |
| 22:51.28 | pvanhoof | I think they have a custom TnySendQueue or something |
| 22:51.32 | corecode | yea |
| 22:51.38 | corecode | that one just segfaulted :) |
| 22:51.39 | pvanhoof | And there, in that code, they override the get_sent |
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| 22:51.55 | pvanhoof | ok :) |
| 22:51.58 | pvanhoof | That's not good |
| 22:52.02 | lcuk | evening javispedro |
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| 22:52.58 | inz | Xisdibik, flammable, flammable, flammable, flammable, post will stay unread |
| 22:53.12 | javispedro | hi lck |
| 22:53.34 | Xisdibik | lol inz, nice :D |
| 22:53.39 | Xisdibik | keep going if you want, i love it |
| 22:53.52 | inz | There are no more lyrics for the original, are there? |
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| 22:54.07 | joker_89 | anyone know WRT? |
| 22:54.11 | joker_89 | WEB RUNTIME? |
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| 22:54.34 | lardman | evening all |
| 22:54.42 | lcuk | hey lardman \o |
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| 22:54.47 | lcuk | hey lardman \o |
| 22:55.04 | inz | Xisdibik, RhymeZone had a nice suggestion "command overhead" as a 5-syllable phrase rhyming with "thread"; unfortunately it made no sense in this context :( |
| 22:55.08 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 22:55.35 | corecode | Warning |
| 22:55.36 | corecode | YOU MAY NOT STORE POINTERS IN INTEGERS. THIS IS NOT PORTABLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. These macros ONLY allow storing integers in pointers, and only preserve 32 bits of the integer; values outside the range of a 32-bit integer will be mangled. |
| 22:55.40 | corecode | sighs |
| 22:55.51 | corecode | so what am i supposed to do then? |
| 22:55.54 | joker_89 | zaheerm |
| 22:56.00 | joker_89 | you heard about WRT? |
| 22:56.22 | lcuk | joker_89, unless you are 12yo, please stop sounding like one. of course we have heard of many of the technologies |
| 22:56.23 | inz | corecode, don't store pointers in integers. |
| 22:56.28 | toggles_w | lol |
| 22:56.37 | corecode | well |
| 22:56.38 | n00bmonk3y | grumbles |
| 22:56.38 | toggles_w | corecode: what are you looking at? |
| 22:56.44 | corecode | toggles_w: tinymail |
| 22:56.45 | lardman | corecode: it's only a warning after all... ;) |
| 22:56.46 | Xisdibik | inz, haha, yea doesnt fit the context ;( |
| 22:56.53 | corecode | toggles_w: doesn't run on 64bit machines |
| 22:57.02 | lcuk | corecode, well of course |
| 22:57.10 | corecode | of COURSE! |
| 22:57.18 | javispedro | so, tinymail stores integers on pointers? doesn't surprise me :9 |
| 22:57.20 | corecode | it is called TINY! |
| 22:57.47 | lcuk | in one of the legacy systems i maintained for a number of years, original developer used shorts to store database ids |
| 22:57.59 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 22:58.09 | lcuk | everything was fine until someone went over 16k entries |
| 22:58.20 | ShadowJK | How about int_ptr_t |
| 22:58.23 | n00bmonk3y | sounds like y2k planning to me ;) |
| 22:58.35 | lcuk | nahhh n00bmonk3y more like y1k |
| 22:58.39 | n00bmonk3y | haha |
| 22:58.55 | lardman | lcuk: hey, storage was expensive |
| 22:59.05 | lcuk | lardman, this was a windows vb app |
| 22:59.17 | lardman | vb 3.x? |
| 22:59.18 | lcuk | nothing to do with storage |
| 22:59.26 | lcuk | ust using integer around |
| 22:59.34 | javispedro | actually, glib actually has "gintptr". |
| 22:59.36 | corecode | now that's shit |
| 22:59.48 | pupnik_ | please no misuse of ints in non portable ways. that makes pupnik cry |
| 22:59.50 | lcuk | i think i can count on my hand the number of times i actively used "integer" in a declaration |
| 22:59.59 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 23:00.00 | javispedro | pupnik_++ |
| 23:00.19 | lcuk | int pupnik_tears; |
| 23:00.29 | lcuk | omg, you can have negative tears! |
| 23:00.43 | ShadowJK | oh sorry, C has intptr_t |
| 23:00.46 | ShadowJK | one underscore too many |
| 23:00.48 | lardman | and if you square root those they become imaginary |
| 23:00.50 | lcuk | they fall off the ground, roll up your face and get sucked in |
| 23:01.04 | corecode | no, the mo is GType -> gpointer via GUINT_TO_POINTER(type) [all fine]. later, gpointer -> uint -> GType via GPOINTER_TO_UINT(once.retval) [lose 32 bits] |
| 23:01.40 | corecode | nobody can say i didn't try |
| 23:01.45 | frals | pets python <3 |
| 23:02.16 | ShadowJK | change the "unit" to intptr_t :( |
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| 23:03.21 | inz | corecode, is sizeof(GType) 8? |
| 23:03.24 | corecode | well, can't |
| 23:03.31 | corecode | inz: the very least |
| 23:03.32 | corecode | inz: :) |
| 23:03.49 | corecode | inz: looks like an opaque pointer-in-type |
| 23:04.43 | inz | corecode, I think it's just a integer identifier |
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| 23:04.56 | inz | corecode, does GPOINTER_TO_SIZE and GSIZE_TO_POINTER do the trick? |
| 23:05.11 | inz | -es |
| 23:05.49 | inz | GType = gsize (= unsigned long) |
| 23:07.17 | inz | corecode, "GType â A numerical value which represents the unique identifier of a registered type." |
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| 23:07.41 | corecode | yea |
| 23:07.57 | nid0 | can't find any appropriate bugs on this, anyone know if it's intentional that the media player can only display ~50 ish items in any single folder when browsing a upnp server? |
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| 23:13.11 | corecode | inz: but that appears ~ 50 times or so |
| 23:13.19 | corecode | inz: not sure whether i should change all of them |
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| 23:13.35 | corecode | ah no, 164 times |
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| 23:15.59 | inz | corecode, well, you should always check what data is put into the pointer (and read from it) |
| 23:16.03 | burchr | nighty night, maemo |
| 23:16.28 | inz | corecode, if it's GType or gsize, then yes |
| 23:17.37 | inz | corecode, or then you could make it pass g_type_name(...) and change it back using g_type_from_name(); but that would be quite a bit slower, obviously =) |
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| 23:20.00 | corecode | tny-gtk-header-list-model.c:489: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size |
| 23:20.03 | corecode | :/ |
| 23:21.07 | corecode | mm no that's something else |
| 23:22.40 | corecode | \o/ |
| 23:22.41 | corecode | works |
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| 23:23.44 | inz | Wunderbar. |
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| 23:25.54 | n00bmonk3y | khertan: are you alive? :D |
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| 23:34.52 | javispedro | btw |
| 23:35.00 | javispedro | I was today playing with some underclocking and drnoksnes |
| 23:35.25 | javispedro | at 250Mhz the software scaler becomes slower than the GPU assisted scaling |
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| 23:35.39 | javispedro | (at 500Mhz it's still somewhat faster) |
| 23:36.47 | javispedro | it's very much playable at 250Mhz + gpu, just a bit slower than n810 with hardware scaling |
| 23:37.41 | javispedro | but the battery savings seem negligible... |
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| 23:42.29 | pupnik_ | interesting javispedro .. too about about battery savings |
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| 23:44.28 | pupnik_ | too bad about |
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| 23:45.16 | javispedro | I'm pondering adding pbuffer support to SDL_gles.. |
| 23:45.20 | javispedro | or just leave it to the app |
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| 23:45.35 | javispedro | either way using pbuffers is stupid when you can use fbos |
| 23:45.43 | javispedro | so no. |
| 23:45.45 | javispedro | that was quick :P |
| 23:46.34 | pupnik_ | fbos? |
| 23:46.41 | javispedro | framebuffer objects |
| 23:47.25 | pupnik_ | this wondrous thing is what you implemented in drnoksnes in dec? |
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