| 00:00.24 | wazd_e63 | Why ari can't answer to my question bout opera?! |
| 00:00.56 | javispedro | god yet another conspiracy thread! |
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| 00:02.57 | wazd_e63 | turns the lights off and hides under the table |
| 00:04.19 | javispedro | oh no, the conspiracy theorists opened a thread about germs on the n900! |
| 00:04.25 | javispedro | mind control! |
| 00:04.27 | microlith | germs! |
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| 00:05.22 | cehteh | dont you wrap your n900 in tin-foil? |
| 00:05.32 | microlith | not if I want it to work! |
| 00:05.35 | cehteh | (and no, not aluminium foil!) |
| 00:06.30 | javispedro | that is not enough! I just let saint ignucious exorcise my n900. |
| 00:06.52 | microlith | javispedro: I think a floating, spinning N900 could be a feature... |
| 00:07.20 | jacekowski | btw. what's purpose of asterix on n900? |
| 00:07.23 | wazd_e63 | Microlith: in vaacum :) |
| 00:07.52 | javispedro | a "good designed OS"... |
| 00:08.07 | luke-jr | jacekowski: learn to spell Asterisk |
| 00:08.18 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I would presume there are a variety of purposes. |
| 00:08.24 | jacekowski | it's asteirx and obelix |
| 00:08.28 | jacekowski | with ix at the end |
| 00:08.35 | luke-jr | not the very least to send unsolicited calls to the telemarketter torture script |
| 00:08.38 | jacekowski | they misspeled it in |
| 00:08.45 | luke-jr | jacekowski: Asterisk isn't spelled with 'x' in English |
| 00:09.04 | microlith | luke-jr: I believe asterix and obelix are names of software packages...? |
| 00:09.04 | jacekowski | i think you've read different comic books |
| 00:09.07 | wazd_e63 | Asterisk and obelisk :D |
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| 00:09.30 | wazd_e63 | That's a rip off :) |
| 00:09.45 | jacekowski | it's spelled with ix |
| 00:09.54 | javispedro | Ixterisk and Ixobelix? |
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| 00:10.13 | microlith | wait |
| 00:10.17 | microlith | this: http://www.asterisk.org/ ? |
| 00:10.18 | wazd_e63 | No, asterisk, as a software is really "isk" |
| 00:10.23 | jacekowski | close, but not good enough |
| 00:10.55 | luke-jr | jacekowski: Asterisk the software is spelled English too |
| 00:10.58 | microlith | cause anything else is a french animation... |
| 00:10.58 | javispedro | Asterixis is a tremor of the wrist when the wrist is extended sometimes said to resemble a bird flapping its wings. |
| 00:13.01 | N900evil | wazd_e63, http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks |
| 00:13.08 | N900evil | a risk even |
| 00:15.41 | javispedro | preventively unsubscribes from the n900 fud thread |
| 00:16.22 | ds3 | @#%#@$@#$#@$ timing... no active coupons for the N900 :( |
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| 00:21.03 | wazd_e63 | Javispedro: you can't read that fast? :) |
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| 00:21.42 | javispedro | I can today, tomorrow is another story. |
| 00:24.04 | wazd_e63 | I think I still need to get some sleep, cyall guys |
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| 00:29.16 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at the screenful of growl notifications. |
| 00:29.39 | javispedro | you too should try some tmo unsubscribe treatment |
| 00:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, all from IRC. :P |
| 00:31.34 | javispedro | then they're all very important stuff. I hope it doesn't even cross mind your mind to click whatever Growl calls the "discard all" button. |
| 00:31.45 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: hi |
| 00:31.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yo, luke-jr. |
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| 00:49.43 | koupsa | hello all |
| 00:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | Matan is such a wonderful little troll. |
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| 01:28.59 | b-man17 | gah |
| 01:31.20 | adalal | hey, im trying to install easy debian |
| 01:31.30 | adalal | anyone with experience on that? |
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| 01:33.06 | adalal | i wanna know a quicker way for this |
| 01:33.37 | adalal | like manually extracting on a pc |
| 01:35.08 | pupnik | go stick a cucumber in yourself |
| 01:35.37 | adalal | what do you mean? |
| 01:36.19 | ShadowJK | he forgot to take his meds |
| 01:36.55 | crashanddie | pupnik: go to your room |
| 01:37.02 | adalal | lol... |
| 01:37.21 | crashanddie | adalal: what do you mean "quicker way?" |
| 01:37.39 | pupnik | eat the dog dung crashanddie |
| 01:37.55 | crashanddie | pupnik: last warning, stop trolling |
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| 01:38.02 | pupnik | do not engagwe pupnik |
| 01:38.22 | adalal | i mean, instead of running it on my phone for 3 hours, how about quickening things by extracting it on my computer... |
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| 01:38.37 | n00bmonk3y | meh...... |
| 01:38.52 | n00bmonk3y | i blame lcuk.... all his fault lol |
| 01:38.54 | adalal | just need to know how easy debian works |
| 01:38.58 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, lol, I missed your emergency situation last night. :P |
| 01:39.07 | lcuk | n00bmonk3y, !! |
| 01:39.16 | n00bmonk3y | hehe |
| 01:39.32 | n00bmonk3y | its 1:40 am, i swear i should be doing something more important then testing vibrations lol |
| 01:39.33 | crashanddie | adalal: you'll still have to transfer everything, and all the files will need to be created. Honestly I believe the bottleneck is the storage, not the decompression |
| 01:39.34 | lcuk | so whats changed |
| 01:39.39 | lcuk | 138 here |
| 01:39.42 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: eh? |
| 01:39.51 | n00bmonk3y | i gave you vibrationy goodness and it fails for you! |
| 01:39.57 | crashanddie | lcuk & n00bmonk3y: wow, you're two timezone-minutes apart! |
| 01:40.07 | n00bmonk3y | i know ;) tough life living in worthing |
| 01:40.14 | n00bmonk3y | all the old people suck 2 minutes away from your life |
| 01:40.19 | lcuk | :D seb, evening |
| 01:40.21 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, mwkn. |
| 01:40.36 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: heh, yeah |
| 01:40.38 | n00bmonk3y | lcuk - does it seg fault you on load or on vibration test? |
| 01:40.51 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: but then you taunted me about it on your damned N900 |
| 01:41.01 | lcuk | its clicking on the icon |
| 01:41.04 | lcuk | or then from console |
| 01:41.11 | n00bmonk3y | grumbles n swears |
| 01:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yeah, sorry. :P |
| 01:41.15 | lcuk | i ran with -d option to try show more debug |
| 01:41.17 | n00bmonk3y | hmmmmmm |
| 01:41.19 | lcuk | but its python crap |
| 01:41.22 | adalal | crashanddie: i dont quite understand, storage? i thought the 20+ gigs on the partition would be enough :S |
| 01:41.22 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I had assumed there wasn't a lot of effort involved. |
| 01:41.24 | n00bmonk3y | yeah thank you very appreciated |
| 01:41.31 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:41.41 | n00bmonk3y | the only bit that doesnt happen for me, is the seg fault |
| 01:41.46 | n00bmonk3y | the rest has always done it |
| 01:41.52 | lcuk | you know what i mean, i actually read over it thinkin how efficient that is as a language |
| 01:41.56 | lcuk | yet sucky in speed |
| 01:42.46 | n00bmonk3y | wonder if it works for anyone else.... |
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| 01:42.53 | n00bmonk3y | going for a ciggy lol... stress releaver |
| 01:42.56 | lcuk | hold on, ill try download an old version |
| 01:43.30 | pupnik | crashanddie: the giant producer of maemo software |
| 01:43.30 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 01:43.54 | crashanddie | pupnik: go take a cold shower mate, seriously |
| 01:43.56 | pupnik | some humility please |
| 01:44.09 | pupnik | like i have |
| 01:44.36 | adalal | but does anyone know what has to be done with the img.ext2 file after it's been extracted? |
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| 01:47.05 | n00bmonk3y | thats better |
| 01:47.36 | adalal | ? |
| 01:47.51 | n00bmonk3y | sorry i had a ciggie |
| 01:47.54 | n00bmonk3y | feel better lol |
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| 01:49.42 | adalal | :( |
| 01:49.51 | lcuk | n00bmonk3y do you have git? |
| 01:50.01 | lcuk | if so, whats your url |
| 01:50.24 | n00bmonk3y | nope dont think so, |
| 01:50.30 | n00bmonk3y | assume i need to create an account hehe |
| 01:50.34 | lcuk | bah! |
| 01:50.38 | n00bmonk3y | just did a bugs one lol - that was a start |
| 01:50.47 | lcuk | yeah, how do you retain version control :$ |
| 01:50.54 | n00bmonk3y | on my pc :D |
| 01:51.02 | n00bmonk3y | have a folder for every version with notes |
| 01:51.06 | lcuk | ok, its also on maemo.org luckily |
| 01:51.13 | n00bmonk3y | :) |
| 01:51.32 | n00bmonk3y | http://maemo.org/packages/view/healthcheck/ |
| 01:51.34 | n00bmonk3y | to be precise |
| 01:51.52 | n00bmonk3y | 0.5.1-3 should be a working version for you i think |
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| 01:53.41 | lcuk | !!! |
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| 01:53.46 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/healthcheck/0.5.0-3/ |
| 01:53.55 | lcuk | the last version you pushed to devel |
| 01:54.10 | lcuk | the day before i saw it, install it and posted |
| 01:54.11 | n00bmonk3y | ? |
| 01:54.17 | n00bmonk3y | Nope last to get pushed out |
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| 01:54.36 | n00bmonk3y | or was the last you saw? |
| 01:54.37 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 01:54.41 | n00bmonk3y | i push a few daily ;) |
| 01:54.48 | lcuk | healthcheck 0.5.0-3Fremantle Extras-devel free armelOld version cleaned by repository managementSystem2010-02-26 18:40 UTC |
| 01:54.51 | lcuk | yeah i know |
| 01:55.03 | lcuk | that was less than a week ago |
| 01:55.04 | n00bmonk3y | lol twas the last cleaned :P |
| 01:55.20 | lcuk | i cant download that version |
| 01:55.31 | lcuk | i was going to get it and see if it worked |
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| 01:55.36 | n00bmonk3y | dont you want 0.5.1-3? |
| 01:55.40 | lcuk | ie, is it something you changed, or i changed |
| 01:55.43 | dracflamloc_ | so whats the best ftp prog for n900 |
| 01:55.57 | lcuk | n00bmonk3y, no, the version i have indicated |
| 01:56.03 | lcuk | 0.5.0-3 |
| 01:56.06 | n00bmonk3y | i think i may know why though - not closed a few calls |
| 01:56.21 | n00bmonk3y | just closing them now and will re-push it. |
| 01:56.41 | lcuk | heh ok |
| 01:57.05 | n00bmonk3y | calling dbus a few times, could cause a few issues |
| 01:57.28 | lcuk | i prefer dtrain |
| 01:58.24 | n00bmonk3y | ? lol |
| 01:59.00 | n00bmonk3y | ahaaaaaaa |
| 01:59.06 | n00bmonk3y | got an interesting error i can see |
| 01:59.18 | lcuk | pastebin |
| 01:59.25 | n00bmonk3y | dbus-send: Data item "ate" is badly formed |
| 01:59.27 | lcuk | ill make a new py and tell you if it works |
| 01:59.42 | n00bmonk3y | no idea what language you are speaking lols |
| 02:00.35 | lcuk | use pastebin.ca to send new source for /opt/healthcare/healthcare.py ;) |
| 02:00.48 | lcuk | i will test it here |
| 02:01.19 | n00bmonk3y | me, youll need a few py's lol |
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| 02:01.36 | lcuk | oh cripes, when did it spread? |
| 02:01.47 | n00bmonk3y | it got the lurgey and i learnt about being a bit tidier lol |
| 02:02.01 | pupnik | yeah gay ness |
| 02:02.18 | pupnik | we can solve the tatd |
| 02:02.36 | pupnik | takes a bit of money |
| 02:03.11 | n00bmonk3y | hmmm def found the error and its in a dbus call...... |
| 02:03.31 | n00bmonk3y | run-standalone.sh dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:' + "\'PatternTouchscreen\' |
| 02:03.36 | pupnik | takes a bit of money |
| 02:04.08 | n00bmonk3y | sorry remove the "\ 's - as thats just in the code |
| 02:05.39 | cehteh | mhm |
| 02:06.10 | n00bmonk3y | w000ps building a new one :D |
| 02:07.30 | cehteh | what are you trying? my xchat notify plugin has some ad-hoc code for vibrating and blinking the leds |
| 02:07.46 | cehteh | (in C) |
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| 02:07.57 | n00bmonk3y | my healthcheck app - was causing lcuk to have a few minifits lol... should be fine noew :) |
| 02:08.11 | n00bmonk3y | new build gone in, so gotta wait the usual 10 missippissippi's |
| 02:08.22 | n00bmonk3y | mississippi |
| 02:08.24 | n00bmonk3y | even |
| 02:08.25 | n00bmonk3y | lol |
| 02:08.42 | cehteh | you should cancel patterns you started when done with them, else they may shadow other ones (based on priority) |
| 02:08.45 | Mercury | Hrm, is rebooting while trying to charge (but not otherwise) generally a sign of a deadish battery and not other issues? |
| 02:08.49 | n00bmonk3y | yup i do :) |
| 02:08.58 | n00bmonk3y | and the spelling mistake was in the cancel ;) |
| 02:09.04 | cehteh | ok |
| 02:09.13 | n00bmonk3y | had deactiv ate |
| 02:09.22 | n00bmonk3y | wondered why i was getting "ate" errors |
| 02:09.22 | cehteh | didnt followed the coversation |
| 02:09.26 | pupnik | no problem ginocunt. i am in the circle |
| 02:09.44 | n00bmonk3y | i copied the line from a talk.m page, and it had the space in it ;) |
| 02:09.56 | pupnik | ginotwat is silent |
| 02:11.00 | lcuk | checks for updates :P |
| 02:11.00 | pupnik | dont start bitch |
| 02:11.32 | n00bmonk3y | hehehe |
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| 02:11.49 | n00bmonk3y | think it's about 8-10 minutes these days :D |
| 02:12.18 | n00bmonk3y | ooo under 4 hours sleep now, tomorrow will be fun ;) |
| 02:12.19 | pupnik | this chodemuncher needs to be banned |
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| 02:13.31 | n00bmonk3y | is updating :) - new version out already! go autobuilder go! |
| 02:14.42 | n00bmonk3y | meh, works for me again |
| 02:16.36 | n00bmonk3y | aghhhh, now a problem on first tab |
| 02:16.40 | n00bmonk3y | i cant win tonight |
| 02:16.49 | lcuk | lol n00bmonk3y whats your name? |
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| 02:16.59 | n00bmonk3y | now thats a good question ;) |
| 02:17.08 | n00bmonk3y | did the update vibrate bit work for you? |
| 02:17.23 | pupnik | if intel fucks the compouter world again |
| 02:17.28 | lcuk | what version |
| 02:17.39 | n00bmonk3y | 0.5.1-5 |
| 02:17.53 | n00bmonk3y | found the error on tab 1 though |
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| 02:19.38 | n00bmonk3y | right... last build for the night going in... tested all bits and now working! |
| 02:22.07 | n00bmonk3y | actually thankful the autobuilder process is simple'ish now |
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| 02:28.20 | n00bmonk3y | lcuk - ok a working version with no errors in extras devel |
| 02:28.27 | n00bmonk3y | V0.5.1-6 |
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| 02:29.49 | lcuk | thanks n00bmonk3y :D |
| 02:30.39 | n00bmonk3y | :D :D :D |
| 02:31.20 | lcuk | best sleep, gnite [insertname] |
| 02:32.07 | n00bmonk3y | hehe |
| 02:32.10 | n00bmonk3y | night lcuk |
| 02:32.20 | n00bmonk3y | goes to bed too (a different bed i might add! lol) |
| 02:32.52 | crashanddie | n00bmonk3y: the fact you felt you had to specify that is quite worrying |
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| 02:34.07 | dracflamloc_ | wow bluetooth is slow |
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| 02:34.57 | lucent | you think wifi is slow, try transferring a few hundred megabytes over bluetooth link |
| 02:35.25 | lucent | makes me pretend I'm travelling backwards through time to appreciate 802.11b |
| 02:37.03 | pupnik | well who maded you op crashanddie |
| 02:37.33 | crashanddie | pupnik: GA and X fade |
| 02:37.47 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, run, he'll eat your family! |
| 02:38.02 | pupnik | nah hes cool |
| 02:38.35 | pupnik | wel almost |
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| 02:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:54.49 | pupnik | hundreds of #maemo lurkers |
| 02:55.04 | pupnik | and total fail |
| 02:55.19 | pupnik | gigantor fail |
| 02:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | fail on what? |
| 02:55.54 | pupnik | productivity |
| 02:56.20 | pupnik | i could kick all your asses |
| 02:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | productivity like in adding a "lol" comment ? ;-P |
| 02:56.39 | pupnik | and i SUCK |
| 02:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, be still. :P |
| 02:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: go kick my ass - tell me if and how gaia chip can supply VBUS voltage to USB hostmode! |
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| 02:58.45 | pupnik | no i dont understand that sorry. u are right |
| 02:59.28 | pupnik | but there sre a lot of "easy" things |
| 03:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, people have different notion of "productivity". Some even might not give a shit about, at all |
| 03:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | I love scrutinizing electronics docs like schematics. - thus my nick |
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| 03:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | if this doesn't meet your definition of productivity - your problem |
| 03:04.18 | pupnik | i auck |
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| 03:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | hickup? |
| 03:16.08 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: did you moved /usr or /var meanwhile? |
| 03:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | not yet. Had a long sleep() |
| 03:16.39 | cehteh | hehe me too :P |
| 03:16.47 | cehteh | now a big coffee :P |
| 03:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | good idea, could use a second one as well |
| 03:17.17 | cehteh | and working on something else .. |
| 03:17.24 | cehteh | (not n900!) |
| 03:18.31 | cehteh | i didnt recognized that t-tan yesterday is the guy who makes this community kernel .. if he reappears i have to ask him some things |
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| 03:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | like f.e. if he spent a few moke KB for the kernel log buffer? ;-P |
| 03:24.52 | cehteh | .. more about "what do you think about making it in some why that the next time i try it, it doesnt brick my device" ... :P |
| 03:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | damn, another kernel devels' madness at Nokia, to config the kernel in such a way not even a full system boot's kernel log msgs fits into dmesg ringbuffer |
| 03:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: what exactly mad the whole thing fail? any clue? |
| 03:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | madE |
| 03:30.49 | cehteh | no idea ... that morning HAM showed an update and i installed it .. and reboot was neither re nor boot |
| 03:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | what was that update? |
| 03:31.30 | cehteh | and i dont have the knowledge and patience to debug the boot process |
| 03:31.52 | cehteh | the package 'linux-kernel-flasher' or so is its name |
| 03:32.00 | cehteh | that installs a new enhanced kernel |
| 03:32.25 | cehteh | (with ext4 support) |
| 03:32.33 | cehteh | now i am back to the nokia kernel .. |
| 03:33.21 | cehteh | and unless t-tam has a plan how to survive failures with some rescue strategy and how to handle nokia firmware updates i am not going to try it again |
| 03:33.52 | cehteh | i like the idea of community provided kernels .. but you have to be careful not to close the dor behind you for nokia updates |
| 03:34.11 | cehteh | ext4 is already critical .. i doubt that nokia kernels will ever support it |
| 03:34.45 | lucent | I was hoping for luks crypto support. |
| 03:35.13 | cehteh | but i can live with it when a first boot wont be able to access MyDocs and mmc1 ... as long there is some way to get that other kernel in asap |
| 03:35.19 | lucent | on desktop Ubuntu and Windows machines I can mount my USB storage device partition 2 as luks crypto |
| 03:35.24 | lucent | it just pops up asking me for password |
| 03:35.27 | lucent | works awesome |
| 03:35.33 | cehteh | lucent: iirc that kernel has crypto |
| 03:35.53 | lucent | there's a userland component to that problem which I have not seen addressed in Maemo |
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| 03:35.58 | cehteh | but i see problems with the device about usability .. when and how will you unlock it |
| 03:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: another case of different thinking between foss-devels and commercial maintenance of a system |
| 03:36.32 | cehteh | if someone steals your device its likely in a unlocked state so crypto wont help you much .. except for draing battery |
| 03:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I've seen soem of these by now ;-P |
| 03:37.11 | cehteh | note that with only 256MB ram there is no much page cache and it has to decrypt even more |
| 03:37.26 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 03:38.07 | cehteh | as i saied at some point i would like if the community can stand on its own legs .. maintain a up to date kernel and integrating nokias updated blobs |
| 03:38.19 | cehteh | (in some legally workaround way) |
| 03:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | my time with OM obviously changed my thinking a little. I only realized that when you made your comment about the back-cover switch sync idea I had yesterday |
| 03:38.46 | cehteh | the kernel is not tainted, this should be possible |
| 03:39.01 | cehteh | but it needs some work and people |
| 03:40.09 | cehteh | of course .. there are a lot still cosed things where nokia say "we dont need to open them because you dont need it" |
| 03:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | always a very bad reasoning |
| 03:40.44 | cehteh | like MCE .. i thought about DeviceOn Blinking should be in different color depending on battery state ... |
| 03:40.50 | cehteh | but thats impossible to hack |
| 03:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | I usually like to argue against that until everybody is annoyed to death ;-P |
| 03:41.15 | SpeedEvil | Impossible is a strong word. |
| 03:41.20 | cehteh | for changing blinking patterns you have to restart MCE .. which is not practical |
| 03:41.42 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: well not easily and conviniently |
| 03:41.46 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 03:41.48 | cehteh | as with open source |
| 03:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | I posed a /me is pondering a complete MCE RE |
| 03:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | some days ago |
| 03:42.01 | cehteh | RE? |
| 03:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | reverse engineering |
| 03:42.27 | SpeedEvil | I want disk activity on green, CPU on red, and net on blue |
| 03:42.43 | cehteh | well i buyed the n900 and not something else because i dont like this RE, jailbreaking and stuff |
| 03:42.53 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 03:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | heh, you can do all that very easily |
| 03:43.21 | cehteh | i want to support openness .. reverse enginerring is imo the wrong thing to educate hardware creators |
| 03:43.50 | cehteh | of course you can .. but in a ideal way you should not be required to do so |
| 03:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: (change blink patterns) No, you have all you need in LP5523's cmd set, it can even do ADD, MUL, and register indirect (or something like that) |
| 03:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | I referred to your requests for features, not to RE. When I said "easily" |
| 03:45.12 | cehteh | but mce will override it and it has the authority in the system to control it |
| 03:45.22 | cehteh | of course i can poke directly into the registers, i did that |
| 03:45.32 | cehteh | but what i want is a 'offical' way |
| 03:46.24 | cehteh | add DeviceOnBattLowPattern .... and let mce react on a battery low dbus signal switchign to that pattern |
| 03:46.42 | cehteh | if it would be open source it would be trivial |
| 03:47.07 | cehteh | with closed source its just pita |
| 03:47.46 | cehteh | and i dont have *that* much need on it that i desperately reverse enginer mce .. |
| 03:48.13 | cehteh | but open source will add value here even for nokia, getting features back from the community which they never tought about |
| 03:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | there IS an 'official' way at least for changing blink patterns. You load *one* sophisticated pattern, that reads variable A, B, or C to change the pattern. Of course there's no way in static mce.ini to dynamically change value of A, B, C depending on bat charge. You need to implement that via direct access to LP5523 either via sysnodes or directly via I2C |
| 03:48.39 | cehteh | yes |
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| 03:49.00 | cehteh | i know how to do that |
| 03:49.12 | cehteh | but this is a unclean solution |
| 03:49.30 | cehteh | when you poke something into sys mce will override it at any occation |
| 03:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | really? Weird, as afaik the math and indirect cmds of LP5523 are in the nondisclosed datasheet, and the public ds of LP5521 doesn't have these |
| 03:50.30 | cehteh | its documented on the wiki somewhere |
| 03:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: No. MCE will *not* o verride setting of variable contents |
| 03:50.53 | cehteh | well i defined a PatternIRCMessage for the vibrator, and my xchat plugin calls that over mce |
| 03:51.49 | cehteh | i could add a PatternBatteryLow for the led and write a small daemon which watches on dbus battery low warning and does nothing that enable this pattern |
| 03:52.23 | cehteh | (over mce) |
| 03:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I made not clear enough: A,B, and C are hw register variables in LP5523, which you can use in ramp, loop, and set commands instead of direct values |
| 03:53.32 | cehteh | yes ... but what happens if a call comes in and mce want to notify this call? |
| 03:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | so your pattern mce loads to LP5523 never changes, and mce can overwrite as frequently as it likes. |
| 03:53.59 | cehteh | hum? |
| 03:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | You only change the value of A in LP5523 by direct access |
| 03:54.30 | cehteh | but well i dont want to block mce either .. i want its features |
| 03:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | you do not need to blocj mce |
| 03:54.48 | cehteh | the daemon approach above might be the simplest way |
| 03:54.53 | cehteh | eh? |
| 03:54.59 | cehteh | i dont understand you |
| 03:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check for you, moment please |
| 03:55.31 | cehteh | something has to coordinate the access to the controler |
| 03:56.05 | cehteh | thats by definition mce .. i can poke something into it .. but how do i define if my pattern has precedence over what mce thinks? |
| 03:56.48 | cehteh | there are 3 pwm's ... the first one is commonly used, the second is spare and can be used for the blinking patterns and the third controls the keyboard lights |
| 03:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | you use mce to store your pattern to lp5523 |
| 03:57.10 | cehteh | yes |
| 03:57.32 | cehteh | well that exactly like i saied with the 'daemon' approach |
| 03:57.43 | cehteh | i define a new "battery low" pattern for mce |
| 03:58.08 | cehteh | and write a daemon which sends a message to mce to activate it when it gets a battery low message |
| 03:58.20 | DocScrutinizer | 3C : variable: these bits are used to store a global 8-bit variable. Variable can be used to control program flow |
| 03:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | (from LP5523 datasheet) |
| 03:58.50 | cehteh | ? |
| 04:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | ramp(i): 0, prescale[1], stoptime[5], sign[1], # of increments[8] |
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| 04:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | ramp(ii): 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, prescale[1], sign[1], steptime[2], # of increments[2] |
| 04:02.22 | cehteh | mhm .. this led-pattern editor has some bugs still :P |
| 04:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | i: used with direct values. ii: used with variables |
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| 04:05.32 | cehteh | i dont get what you want |
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| 04:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | Programming ramps with variables is very similar to program- |
| 04:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | ming ramps with numerical operands. The only difference is |
| 04:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | that step time and number of increments are captured from |
| 04:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | variable registers, when the instruction execution is started. |
| 04:08.59 | cehteh | ah |
| 04:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you create a invariant pattern using e.g ramp with variable |
| 04:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | you store this pattern via mce |
| 04:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | you set value of variable via direct acces to LP553:3E |
| 04:09.53 | cehteh | and control it by poking the var |
| 04:09.58 | cehteh | ok |
| 04:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 04:10.49 | cehteh | well still means i have to run something which watches the battery |
| 04:11.02 | cehteh | ..reacts on events |
| 04:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | mce won't override the variable (I hope :-P) |
| 04:11.35 | cehteh | and when someone else decides the same it collides |
| 04:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | sure you need your own foo to do this nonstandard battery supervision |
| 04:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | (collisions) that's all times and everywhere |
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| 04:13.05 | cehteh | hehe well defining a battery low pattern in mce.ini and call that from my foo would be clean |
| 04:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | you mustn't use colliding services of any kind. Nowhere :-) |
| 04:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | not if a second service does same, but with different notion of bat low level |
| 04:14.06 | AFBN900 | any webserver ben ported to fremantle yet? |
| 04:14.21 | cehteh | ligthy |
| 04:14.30 | cehteh | since ages |
| 04:15.23 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well that would only collide in config and not in hardware. more sane |
| 04:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | aah, for all the anxious lurkers: |
| 04:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | step time (ii) |
| 04:16.33 | AFBN900 | is it in repos |
| 04:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | 0-3 |
| 04:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | One ramp increment done in (step time) x (prescale). |
| 04:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | Step time is loaded with the value (5 LSB bits) of the variable defined below. |
| 04:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | 0 = local variable A |
| 04:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | 1 = local variable B |
| 04:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | 2 = global variable C |
| 04:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | 3 = register address 3CH variable D value, or register address 42H value. |
| 04:17.04 | cehteh | back off... |
| 04:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | The value of the variable should be from 00001b to 11111b (1d to 31d) for correct operation. |
| 04:17.35 | cehteh | other question are there some scripts triggered in /etc or somewhere when battery goes low or charger is plugged in? |
| 04:17.47 | cehteh | that would make this *really* easy |
| 04:18.02 | cehteh | just dbus-send and done! |
| 04:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart mce |
| 04:18.14 | infobot | beats mce into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 04:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | guess no |
| 04:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | # of increments |
| 04:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | (ii) |
| 04:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | The number of increment/decrement cycles. Value is taken from variable def0 = local variable A |
| 04:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | 1 = local variable B |
| 04:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | 2 = global variable C |
| 04:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | 3 = register address 3CH variable D value, or register address 42H value. |
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| 04:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, missing "0": |
| 04:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | ramp(ii): 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, prescale[1], sign[1], steptime[2], # of increments[8] |
| 04:22.51 | raster | DocScrutinizer: DOCZZZZZZZZZZZZ! |
| 04:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | raster: qwazzup? |
| 04:23.18 | raster | nuffin' - just sayin' hi-ho! |
| 04:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | EHLO! |
| 04:23.34 | cehteh | pf::powerwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail start |
| 04:23.34 | cehteh | pn::powerfailnow:/etc/init.d/powerfail now |
| 04:23.34 | cehteh | po::powerokwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail stop |
| 04:23.34 | cehteh | # |
| 04:23.38 | cehteh | .. inittab |
| 04:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 04:23.47 | cehteh | how much would you bet that these are not used? :) |
| 04:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 04:25.05 | cehteh | /etc/init.d/powerfail doesnt even exist |
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| 04:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | raster: just busy proving you "schem never useful, never disclosed" wrong :-P |
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| 04:26.18 | cehteh | ok lets forget about this .. i have other work to do |
| 04:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: :-D |
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| 04:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | raster: though I fully appreciate, with decent comprehensive commented OSS drivers you rarely ever need them |
| 04:29.37 | raster | DocScrutinizer: you shouldnt need them. |
| 04:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | raster: and obviously without chip datasheets the schem are largely useless |
| 04:29.51 | raster | yup |
| 04:29.55 | raster | thats where i'm comibng from |
| 04:30.11 | raster | if u have datasheets and open soruce drivers - the schem is pretty much not useful |
| 04:30.27 | raster | sure - u might not know if interrupt line from chip a (as datasheet says it has) is wired up |
| 04:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | well, I say "need datasheets? heh, they *are* somewhere on this planet" |
| 04:30.35 | raster | but u'll find out uber-fast when u try :) |
| 04:30.44 | cehteh | rgrep -i battery /usr/include/ |
| 04:30.47 | cehteh | /usr/include/hgw/hgw.h: HGW_DEVICE_STATE_BATTERYLOW = 0x10, |
| 04:30.56 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.02 | cehteh | 8) |
| 04:32.07 | AFBN900 | has php-cgi been ported to maemo cant find the package but lighttpd says you need it for php |
| 04:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | raster: let's agree a driver devel needs sufficient amount of decent accurate info. No matter which form these come |
| 04:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | soure + datasheet fine. Schematics + datasheet also fine |
| 04:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | source + schematics cumbersome |
| 04:33.19 | DocScrutinizer | none of those 3 a real PITA |
| 04:33.52 | crashanddie | It's funny though |
| 04:33.57 | cehteh | hehe only schematics is prolly pita as well |
| 04:33.58 | crashanddie | all those whining little kids on tmo |
| 04:34.07 | crashanddie | yelling at Quim for trying to clear things up |
| 04:34.12 | crashanddie | "Nokia's PR sucks" |
| 04:34.21 | crashanddie | "Nokia are run by communists" |
| 04:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | OMG |
| 04:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | the bloody reds |
| 04:34.48 | cehteh | "GPS thinks im in China .... help! (12)" ... haha |
| 04:34.54 | crashanddie | It's funny to see how having a more open relationship with a community nearly always ends up with that very same community being alienated by any form of communication |
| 04:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
| 04:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: been there |
| 04:37.03 | crashanddie | Nokia was right with how they handled the whole Meego transition |
| 04:37.08 | crashanddie | Maemo's community is crap |
| 04:37.17 | crashanddie | serious and utter horseshit |
| 04:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you can stop a lot of that bitching by real communication instead of dropping announcements. Only if community is reasonably small though |
| 04:37.45 | crashanddie | you get spat in the face for trying to help, kicked in the balls for offering answers |
| 04:37.53 | crashanddie | I say, fuck Maemo as a community |
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| 04:38.02 | raster | DocScrutinizer: schematics unfortunately are mostly useless for driver devel.. if u dont have datasheets. as u said. dastasheets from a software pov cover your bases. i'm a happoy man with datasheets |
| 04:38.04 | crashanddie | the people who matter (and they know who they are) will move on to better things |
| 04:38.12 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: of course, NITs don't have datasheets, schematics, OR source :( |
| 04:38.32 | crashanddie | they'll be able to move past the shit that flies around, while the moaners and the bitchers stay stuck |
| 04:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's why I mentioned this case as "real PITA" |
| 04:39.17 | luke-jr | ah, I see :) |
| 04:39.21 | luke-jr | I read that line wrong |
| 04:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: though now I got semi-decent schematics, plus a number of datasheets (growing all the time) |
| 04:39.55 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: for NITs? |
| 04:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | for N900 |
| 04:40.10 | raster | crashanddie: right now nokia havent handled the mego thing as well as they should imho. |
| 04:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | for 810 I got schem a 6months ago |
| 04:40.18 | luke-jr | including the parts Nokia doesn't include source for? |
| 04:40.31 | raster | as best i know there is no answere on "so what with n900 and meego? will my n900 be supported fully in future?" |
| 04:40.39 | raster | or point me to it... :) |
| 04:40.54 | crashanddie | raster: it's not the right question to ask |
| 04:41.11 | raster | also the whole "lets move to rpm" and people have been busy working on doing debian packaging for maemo - there will be a big hiccup in software infra |
| 04:41.40 | raster | crashanddie: its damned wel the right q to ask - if u bought a n900 and want to know if u were just shafted wrt. to support and future os/software direction |
| 04:41.40 | crashanddie | That's not even going to be the case for MeeGo 1 |
| 04:41.46 | ShadowJK | raster, and Maemo 6 will mostly have deb's still ;) |
| 04:41.51 | ShadowJK | or so they say :D |
| 04:41.58 | luke-jr | raster: that's what Nokia has always done. get used to it. |
| 04:42.00 | crashanddie | raster: you have a full keyboard, use it |
| 04:42.03 | raster | ShadowJK: but maemo6 != meego |
| 04:42.12 | raster | meego as last i heard was going to all be rpm |
| 04:42.12 | crashanddie | raster: Maemo 6 = MeeGo 1.0 |
| 04:42.19 | raster | maemo6 may be a step towards meego |
| 04:42.21 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, I don't think so |
| 04:42.33 | crashanddie | it's API compatible |
| 04:42.36 | ShadowJK | However, I think Maemo 6 will support the Meego 1.0 API! |
| 04:42.41 | raster | luke-jr: i'm not here to flame. so not going there. |
| 04:42.57 | raster | crashanddie: api - yes. hooray. maemo5 is api compatible to ubuntu |
| 04:42.59 | raster | or debian |
| 04:43.00 | raster | or fedora |
| 04:43.03 | raster | or god knows what else |
| 04:43.11 | raster | depends by "how muhc of the api" |
| 04:43.12 | crashanddie | you're already trolling, you might as well flame |
| 04:43.22 | raster | as such packaging structure, formats, standards etc. are all different in the future |
| 04:43.32 | ShadowJK | raster, I think they're going to define a subset, kinda like LSB does, but a useful one... |
| 04:43.36 | raster | crashanddie: i am not trolling. |
| 04:43.45 | crashanddie | sure you are |
| 04:43.51 | raster | crashanddie: i dont troll. i'd like you to rethink your accusation. |
| 04:43.51 | crashanddie | you're not listening to what people say |
| 04:44.02 | raster | crashanddie: i am listening. |
| 04:44.02 | ShadowJK | But yeah, in practice people will just use whatver libs are present and whine about $vendors when stuff only works on one device |
| 04:44.11 | luke-jr | raster: Maemo 5 doesn't support N810. Why would you assume Maemo 6 will support N900? |
| 04:44.20 | luke-jr | let alone MeeGo, an entirely new thing |
| 04:44.30 | cehteh | anyone of you happen to have an almost empty (but not red yet) battery right now? |
| 04:44.42 | crashanddie | people will have to rebuild their apps anyway for new versions of Maemo/Meego, so moving to RPM really isn't such a big deal. We'll still submit sources to a builder, and get the package in the repos, not any different from my point of view |
| 04:44.42 | ShadowJK | Well MeeGo is more like Mer... that'd make it easier to move from device to device :D |
| 04:44.56 | ShadowJK | cehteh, mine's at 37% |
| 04:45.15 | raster | crashanddie: you are deciding to chuck a hissie-fit over it all. i'm being simple and objective. i have an n900 here. and i have yet to hear a nokia communication that tells me that they will port and support future os's on the n900 that are meego once its all merged |
| 04:45.20 | crashanddie | Also, why the fuck do people go "OMG NOKIA ANNOUCED A NEW PLATFORM, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO MY N900????? ZOMG" |
| 04:45.25 | raster | meego is going to have a chunk of pain as its 2 distros merging |
| 04:45.37 | luke-jr | raster: don't expect it. Nokia doesn't do that. |
| 04:45.53 | cehteh | mhm .. bit much .. want someone to dbus-monitor and report the exact signal it sends when the battery low warning comes |
| 04:46.07 | cehteh | with 37% i guess we have to wait some hours |
| 04:46.09 | crashanddie | raster: when you bought your N900, did it have a sticker saying "MeeGo/Maemo 6 compatible"? |
| 04:46.11 | raster | crashanddie: because people who buy the n900 and speak in the community dont see it as a device with a 1-off os. they expect and hope for support with future os's back-ported and working on it so their investment pays off. |
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| 04:46.15 | cehteh | mine is at 100% plugged into charger |
| 04:46.29 | raster | crashanddie: your view of the device and theirs (and mine) differs |
| 04:46.32 | luke-jr | raster: that's a misconception people have |
| 04:46.44 | crashanddie | raster: and if they were smart enough, they'd realise that the OS is open enough for them to maintain themselves |
| 04:46.49 | raster | luke-jr: no - it's an expectation. regardless of guarantees or what nokia do |
| 04:46.52 | luke-jr | raster: Nokia does one-off devices. They might do a few bugfix revisions, but that's about it. |
| 04:46.52 | raster | its an expectation |
| 04:46.52 | ShadowJK | cehteh, actually, the meter changed its mind and is now saying 45% :P |
| 04:47.06 | luke-jr | raster: it's a flawed one, since Nokia never does that |
| 04:47.12 | crashanddie | raster: Nokia won't stop developing on Maemo 5 tomorrow evening, if they have a bunch of people using it it will keep getting bugfixes etc |
| 04:47.26 | raster | its like expecting your microwave will actually heat up your food. |
| 04:47.33 | raster | and will continue to do so. |
| 04:47.40 | raster | even when the food changes. |
| 04:47.51 | crashanddie | dude, that is the worst metafor EVER |
| 04:47.52 | ali1234 | maemo 5 *isn't* open enough for the users to maintain it by themselves |
| 04:47.55 | luke-jr | raster: like it or not, Nokia sucks. :P |
| 04:48.02 | crashanddie | ali1234: yes it is |
| 04:48.07 | ali1234 | unless you don't care that you can't make phone calls on the community port |
| 04:48.17 | luke-jr | we get a one-off OS that can't be maintained by the community. |
| 04:48.23 | crashanddie | ali1234: you can setup repos, you can distribute apps, which is 99% of what is needed anyway |
| 04:48.27 | ShadowJK | ali1234, I think jebba has done it ;) |
| 04:48.29 | raster | crashanddie: dude. nokia have already said no to some of my bug reportsa as they will not fix it on maemo5 - even though they can and its nothing maemo5 specific - they are already moving on. dont tell me otherwise. |
| 04:48.32 | ShadowJK | with ofono.. |
| 04:48.39 | ali1234 | yeah, ofono... which has no GUI |
| 04:48.58 | arachnist | ali1234: GUI is the least of your problems, if everything else works |
| 04:48.58 | cehteh | ShadowJK: be a good boy and watch some pr0n to drain your battery as fast as possible please |
| 04:49.07 | ShadowJK | cehteh, downloading podcasts on 3g |
| 04:49.11 | cehteh | :) |
| 04:49.11 | ShadowJK | unfortunately not that much new |
| 04:49.22 | ShadowJK | I was hoping for 500 megs new or something |
| 04:49.23 | arachnist | crashanddie: you don't want to be stuck with an ancient kernel and ancient xorg for eternity |
| 04:49.25 | crashanddie | raster: well, first of, Nokia didn't say no, Andre did. And no, fixing the size of a button isn't important enough to warrant a development effort -- synch with Exchange however is being worked on as we speak |
| 04:49.47 | crashanddie | arachnist: why not? My N810 still runs whatever the kernel version is, and whatever the graphical server is |
| 04:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | yawns and points to /topic |
| 04:50.03 | crashanddie | it's a NIT for fuck's sake |
| 04:50.04 | luke-jr | crashanddie: and as a result, N810 is quickly becoming unusable |
| 04:50.11 | crashanddie | luke-jr: no it doesn't |
| 04:50.11 | cehteh | ShadowJK: before it goes red please do a 'dbus-monitor --system' and tell me the bme signal for the battery low |
| 04:50.19 | crashanddie | it's perfectly fine, what the hell are you guys on about? |
| 04:50.32 | cehteh | signal sender=:1.25 -> dest=(null destination) serial=78 path=/com/nokia/bme/signal; interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_charging_on |
| 04:50.32 | cehteh | signal sender=:1.25 -> dest=(null destination) serial=79 path=/com/nokia/bme/signal; interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=battery_full |
| 04:50.34 | luke-jr | crashanddie: it lacks the memory for a modern DE, for a start |
| 04:50.34 | arachnist | crashanddie: because, especially with xorg, things are going to get incompatible with current versions sooner or later |
| 04:50.47 | luke-jr | crashanddie: a problem that would be solved by 2.6.33's memory compression |
| 04:50.55 | crashanddie | no it wouldn't |
| 04:50.58 | ali1234 | a good metaphor would be if sony released the ps3 six months after the ps2. people might want to know if there would still be games made for ps2, or if they just spent $500 on an expensive paperweight. |
| 04:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | 1478th meego-kills-maemo whining - and counting |
| 04:51.08 | luke-jr | arachnist: with Linux, too; any recent udev version no longer supports N810's kernel |
| 04:51.10 | cehteh | .. i have these too battery low should be similar i guess it will be exactly 'battery_low' but not sure |
| 04:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: to the rescue! |
| 04:51.24 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, memory compression? |
| 04:51.31 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: yes, ramzswap |
| 04:51.36 | ShadowJK | oh that got merged? |
| 04:51.39 | luke-jr | yes |
| 04:51.41 | raster | crashanddie: wtf? chaning size of a button? where did i mention that? |
| 04:51.53 | cehteh | luke-jr: do you have an package for the n900 for that? |
| 04:51.54 | crashanddie | raster: just giving a random example, I don't know your bug reports by heart |
| 04:51.55 | raster | crashanddie: and what has andre got to do with this? |
| 04:51.59 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, there's thread on tmo with user friendly install for it on N810 btw |
| 04:52.07 | raster | my bug reports are on the opengl-es libs/drivers |
| 04:52.11 | luke-jr | cehteh: a package for what? |
| 04:52.13 | arachnist | ramzswap and memory deduplication might do wonders on embedded devices |
| 04:52.17 | cehteh | i use ramzswap on the laptop .. even with 4GB ram .. |
| 04:52.18 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: ??? |
| 04:52.36 | raster | specifically actual artifacts in rendering, failure to comply with opengl-es specs (those may get fixed) and horrible performance due to grotuitous extra copies |
| 04:52.40 | luke-jr | ramzswap can't be packaged last I checked |
| 04:52.45 | raster | also no vsync swaps - so u cannto get rid of tearing. |
| 04:52.49 | cehteh | duh |
| 04:52.54 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, how come? |
| 04:52.59 | raster | its a generic problem be it in mameo5,6,7, meego ro any other os |
| 04:53.04 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: it touches too much kernel internals |
| 04:53.11 | cehteh | well i didnt checked tried yet |
| 04:53.12 | ShadowJK | hm. |
| 04:53.13 | raster | but.. the last bits (copies/vsync) have been punted off to "not in maemo 5" |
| 04:53.24 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: it also doesn't support over-2-years-old-ancient kernels |
| 04:53.26 | cehteh | luke-jr: huh it doesnt |
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| 04:53.29 | raster | in fact.. i'll quote |
| 04:53.38 | crashanddie | raster: no need |
| 04:53.48 | crashanddie | raster: you're talking to yourself, just point to the bug reports if you want to be specific |
| 04:53.48 | raster | > vsync, tearing and performance. when in fullscreen mode - i get tearing. |
| 04:53.48 | raster | > eglswapbuffers doesnt sync its swaps (should really use triple buffering |
| 04:53.48 | raster | > here and queue a swap for next vsync). |
| 04:53.48 | raster | See bug 5556. Needs newer SGX drivers which will be available only in |
| 04:53.48 | raster | Harmattan. |
| 04:53.50 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5556 when switching desktops, there is some tearing of the image |
| 04:53.52 | cehteh | you dont even need to patch the kernel (there is an optional patch) |
| 04:53.55 | raster | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9320 |
| 04:53.56 | povbot | Bug 9320: opengl-es2 rendering bugs |
| 04:53.59 | cehteh | but it works as external module |
| 04:54.03 | raster | > 2. doing copies in compositor from back to front buffer (not swaps). |
| 04:54.03 | raster | Ditto. |
| 04:54.05 | raster | etc. |
| 04:54.10 | raster | already piunting it off to harmattan |
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| 04:54.18 | *** kick/#maemo [raster!~427eb965@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (I said don't paste) |
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| 04:54.57 | cehteh | bit pedantic today? |
| 04:55.10 | raster | crashanddie: you, sir, are a sad excuse for an erogenous zone. |
| 04:55.18 | raster | so.. you disagree with me and u kick |
| 04:55.19 | raster | yay! |
| 04:55.28 | raster | no wonder the maemo community hates nokia |
| 04:55.29 | ali1234 | classic |
| 04:55.30 | crashanddie | raster: I don't disagree, I don't want you to flood the bloody channel |
| 04:55.44 | crashanddie | raster: talk about it all you like, we have povbot, a link to the bug report is enough |
| 04:55.54 | crashanddie | bug #123 |
| 04:55.55 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar |
| 04:55.58 | raster | bah the pastes are not any more than regular typing. your idea of flood is a bit skewed |
| 04:56.12 | crashanddie | raster: that was 20 fucking lines |
| 04:56.17 | raster | 20? |
| 04:56.18 | raster | 20 |
| 04:56.20 | raster | ???? |
| 04:56.22 | raster | AHAHAHAH |
| 04:56.32 | raster | 3 lines of paste |
| 04:56.32 | cehteh | counts 8 lines |
| 04:56.36 | raster | err sorry |
| 04:56.36 | raster | 4 |
| 04:56.37 | luke-jr | just stfu already -.- |
| 04:56.40 | ShadowJK | hm, can xchat do /ignore with expires? |
| 04:56.45 | raster | and then another 2 lines |
| 04:56.55 | crashanddie | ok, 14, _my bad_ |
| 04:56.55 | cehteh | ShadowJK: with my rxpd plugin .. not ported yet |
| 04:56.59 | raster | please revise your elementary arithmetic skills. |
| 04:57.11 | luke-jr | 4 + 2 = 6 |
| 04:57.12 | raster | PASTE was 4 and 2 |
| 04:57.16 | raster | the rest i typed myself |
| 04:57.20 | mmgcs | newb question -> i can't figure out why i get an error when trying to apt-get update from inside scratchbox -- Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/unknown/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 63.80.138.81 80] |
| 04:57.27 | crashanddie | raster: chill, and take a pill |
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| 04:57.32 | luke-jr | paste limit tends to be 3 |
| 04:57.34 | luke-jr | 6 = 3 * 2 |
| 04:57.34 | arachnist | ShadowJK: "/ignore -all -replies someone_s_nick" doesn't work with xchat? |
| 04:57.46 | raster | if you think that my typing is too fast for youand a flood - well i'm sorry my fingers are faster than your ability to read. my bad. |
| 04:57.46 | ShadowJK | arachnist, "expires" |
| 04:57.53 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: never? |
| 04:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | kindergarden |
| 04:57.56 | bobzer_ | hi everybody |
| 04:58.02 | ShadowJK | mmgcs, the "unknown" part looks kinda fishy |
| 04:58.04 | crashanddie | raster: last warning |
| 04:58.05 | bobzer_ | i have a big problem |
| 04:58.11 | crashanddie | bobzer_: shoot |
| 04:58.14 | bobzer_ | can i get some hellp ? |
| 04:58.20 | crashanddie | bobzer_: just ask mate |
| 04:58.24 | cehteh | ShadowJK: http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/RegexPolicyDaemon/Applications/XChat .. the wiki is a bit broken |
| 04:58.29 | bobzer_ | ok |
| 04:58.35 | bobzer_ | so my phone n900 |
| 04:58.38 | luke-jr | raster: might inquire w/ Nokia Care for a return; just say it's not as advertised, since they claim it's open source |
| 04:58.44 | bobzer_ | don't want to turn on |
| 04:58.56 | bobzer_ | the battery was totally empty |
| 04:59.06 | crashanddie | bobzer_: connect it to the wall charger and leave it |
| 04:59.09 | cehteh | unfortunally the logo doesnt even come up: http://www.pipapo.org/notroll.png :) |
| 04:59.11 | raster | crashanddie: what? me defending myself is reason to get kicked? ytou accuse me of a 20 line paste where there were 2 lots totally 6 lines? |
| 04:59.12 | bobzer_ | i put him to charge |
| 04:59.18 | raster | either way |
| 04:59.24 | ShadowJK | bobzer_, wall charger or usb cable from computer? |
| 04:59.29 | bobzer_ | yes but i don't have the wall charger with me |
| 04:59.32 | luke-jr | raster: there is no difference between 6 and 20 when it comes to a flood |
| 04:59.40 | bobzer_ | i put with the usb charger |
| 04:59.44 | raster | you were spouting falsities. nokia are already ditching support for maemo5 - as above in bug reports. |
| 04:59.45 | bobzer_ | to my computer |
| 04:59.59 | bobzer_ | and i think the battery it's full know |
| 05:00.05 | crashanddie | raster: seriously, please, drop it |
| 05:00.07 | bobzer_ | but when i try ti turn on |
| 05:00.09 | raster | luke-jr: 4 and 2. as i typed manually in between its not a 6 line paste flood |
| 05:00.18 | bobzer_ | sometime that's do strictly nothing |
| 05:00.23 | luke-jr | raster: just stfu and return it |
| 05:00.23 | bobzer_ | and other time |
| 05:00.24 | raster | crashanddie: so you admit they are. ok. |
| 05:00.31 | raster | so the people bitching about nokia have a good point |
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| 05:00.45 | bobzer_ | it begin to load and after a few second it turn off again |
| 05:00.54 | cehteh | raster: my plan is to ingore nokia and convince as much as possible developers to buy a n900 and code for it .. nokia will bite in their own arse when they discover that there are no devs for a successor model |
| 05:00.55 | *** mode/#maemo [+q raster!*@*] by crashanddie |
| 05:01.12 | crashanddie | send me a PM when you've calmed down and you're ready to talk about something else |
| 05:01.18 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 05:01.24 | cehteh | uhm |
| 05:01.54 | crashanddie | or remind me in 10 minutes to remove the ban if I forget |
| 05:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | forget it |
| 05:02.06 | ali1234 | i agree that people bitching about nokia have good grounds for complaint |
| 05:02.12 | cehteh | crashanddie: lemme say that i dont think you improve channel quality with your reactions |
| 05:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | he never again will care |
| 05:02.12 | ShadowJK | bobzer_, that would suggest to me that the battery isn't charged.. and that it isn't charging from PC USB when empty |
| 05:02.14 | arachnist | too bad there's no other non-winmo, non-symbian (i dislike these) phone with a reasonable OS (android, maemo, heck, even iphoneos would do) and a good hardware keyboard (no, motorola droid fails here) |
| 05:02.23 | crashanddie | cehteh: duly noted |
| 05:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: +1 |
| 05:02.51 | bobzer_ | ShadowJK: that's means my phone is empty and i can't charge it ? |
| 05:02.53 | ShadowJK | cehteh++ |
| 05:03.20 | crashanddie | You want me to remove the ban? |
| 05:03.22 | ShadowJK | bobzer_, I only know that in theory it should switch itself on once there's enough power |
| 05:03.37 | cehteh | crashanddie: actually i didnt want you to set it |
| 05:03.44 | bobzer_ | because the orange light is turn on |
| 05:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: forget it. damage done |
| 05:04.11 | crashanddie | cehteh: yeah well, I wanted him to stop bitching about the thing continuously. Indeed DocScrutinizer, damage done. I asked him 2 or 3 times to stop about it |
| 05:04.12 | ali1234 | i think it is kind of sad the way some people will attack dissenters by accusing them of trolling until they get so angry that they *are* trolling |
| 05:04.19 | cehteh | a community channel can tolerate some bitching .. and i left a lot channels because of overreacting ops |
| 05:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | nad rater hardly will ever join here again |
| 05:04.52 | cehteh | no one here was really annoyed or attacked .. |
| 05:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | and raster |
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| 05:07.18 | crashanddie | stupid freenode |
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| 05:07.47 | *** mode/#maemo [-q raster!*@*] by crashanddie |
| 05:07.55 | crashanddie | raster: now? |
| 05:08.24 | raster | thanks |
| 05:08.25 | raster | :) |
| 05:08.29 | raster | let me start again |
| 05:08.34 | crashanddie | why didn't that first one work? |
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| 05:09.24 | cehteh | will the middleware (dbus message for mce, bme, .. ) all change for MeeGo? |
| 05:09.33 | crashanddie | most likely |
| 05:09.44 | ali1234 | nah, i think it is unlikely |
| 05:09.44 | raster | i am not here to troll, i'm here to actualyl do useful stuff |
| 05:09.52 | raster | i write lots of softwre - for embedded |
| 05:09.59 | raster | it runs like a champ on competitors devices |
| 05:10.09 | raster | the n900 - it has troubles with - i submit bug reports |
| 05:10.10 | crashanddie | dunno about M6, but looking at the discussions a lot of people are pushing for the Moblin infrastructure and base |
| 05:10.16 | cehteh | hehe means anything we write will be incompatible .. haha |
| 05:10.16 | raster | i cant send patches - drivers are closed. |
| 05:10.40 | cehteh | well i dont care that much :) .. but that will have interesting implications |
| 05:10.42 | crashanddie | cehteh: well, it's a new framework, so that's to be expected that there will be porting involved |
| 05:10.47 | lpotter | nope. raster is not a troll. he's never worked for trolltech |
| 05:10.47 | raster | but - i also am concerned about the future of the n900 and maemo given that its now not worht me putting effort into debian packaging as i know that in the future that will change |
| 05:11.01 | raster | how much of my stuff will still work in future without a fair amount of work |
| 05:11.01 | crashanddie | lpotter: that one is getting old... |
| 05:11.05 | cehteh | yes but i dont port anything to meego if i dont have a meego device |
| 05:11.07 | crashanddie | lpotter: but still "lol" |
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| 05:11.21 | raster | lpotter: hahahahahah |
| 05:11.22 | crashanddie | cehteh: which I think will be the case for most people |
| 05:11.29 | raster | lpotter: hey hey! ltns! |
| 05:11.30 | ShadowJK | Somehow I suspect that if debian packaging takes significant "effort", something must be wrong with it and it's a good idea to fix it :) |
| 05:11.35 | crashanddie | I didn't do that one |
| 05:11.36 | crashanddie | I promise |
| 05:11.36 | cehteh | exactly |
| 05:11.57 | crashanddie | I barely hit the enter key |
| 05:12.00 | cehteh | and that may put some pressure to nokia to support meego on the n900 |
| 05:12.17 | crashanddie | cehteh: well, a lot of people were developing for M5/N900 before the device was out |
| 05:12.28 | lpotter | i dont think nokia has said one way or another for meego on the n900 |
| 05:12.29 | ali1234 | moblin middleware just isn't that different from maemo, and if anything it is closer to the standard distros |
| 05:12.30 | crashanddie | cehteh: they just need to target a few key developers, people who do very interesting and high-visibility stuff |
| 05:12.33 | cehteh | yes because they planned to buy that device |
| 05:12.51 | ShadowJK | raster, not sure the driver situation is any better on beagleboard either :/ |
| 05:12.51 | crashanddie | cehteh: oh c'mon, Nokia's given away close to 500 devices |
| 05:12.52 | cehteh | but a lot of them certainly dont plan to buy the successor just half an year later |
| 05:13.00 | cehteh | prolly even 1000 |
| 05:13.00 | crashanddie | cehteh: I never paid for mine |
| 05:13.12 | crashanddie | cehteh: I know two dozen of people who didn't pay for theirs |
| 05:13.18 | ShadowJK | Although I heard there some people actually manage to get hold of the drivers occasionally... binaries, that is |
| 05:13.18 | cehteh | i did |
| 05:13.34 | cehteh | lets see |
| 05:14.00 | cehteh | the developers community is far bigger (and should be far bigger) than this 500-1000 people |
| 05:14.08 | crashanddie | sure |
| 05:14.16 | cehteh | even if someone people just to very little things (like me) |
| 05:14.20 | ShadowJK | Well for me the rumoured capacitive display will be a big hit to usability, plus the rumoured same omap3 platform wouldn't be much of an upgrade... so meh :) |
| 05:14.25 | ShadowJK | nevermind the OS, it's fine as it is.. |
| 05:14.37 | crashanddie | ~ShadowJK++ |
| 05:14.42 | raster | ShadowJK: i dont think it is. there's a general upsteram issue and the fact that the base drivers as they come from imgtec need modification to work with x11 - and those mods dont always seems to be done... "optimally" lets say. |
| 05:15.02 | crashanddie | raster: don't the drivers come from TI? |
| 05:15.15 | ShadowJK | i guess they distribute them.. if you're worthy |
| 05:15.38 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: didn't you get updated 3D drivers for the N810? |
| 05:15.40 | cehteh | raster: do you have access to the imgtec drivers (even with NDA) .. |
| 05:15.51 | ShadowJK | I've heard of 3d drivers existing for SmartQ too, but I don't even have any idea where to start looking for them :) |
| 05:16.12 | cehteh | you may try to put some samsung or other driver on the n900 if its not too much pain |
| 05:16.19 | raster | lpotter: btw - that was my pont to crashanddie - people are complaining because they just bought a brand new device with abrand new os then nokia rolls around announcing a "left turn at Albuquerque" with meego and no firm "we will make meego available for n900 users and provide a forwards compatibility path" i think thats what people want to hear. a commitment to support. |
| 05:16.29 | raster | crashanddie: well yes and no. |
| 05:16.42 | cehteh | well .. other things to do .. bbl |
| 05:16.45 | crashanddie | raster: I do realise that |
| 05:16.48 | raster | crashanddie: they come from imgtec, then to ti - nokia somewhere along the way i think get the source and modify them more. |
| 05:17.07 | raster | cehteh: not the n900 ones - but for another soc i do... :) |
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| 05:17.26 | cehteh | there is a dim chance that they are compatible if the soc is close enough? |
| 05:17.30 | lpotter | raster: think big, lumbering beast |
| 05:17.44 | cehteh | of course you can only try privately as proof of concept |
| 05:18.04 | crashanddie | raster: my initial point was, 5 or 6 years ago i bought a samsung phone. it had issues, but I lived with it. People didn't really care too much about it. New version of the OS? It's a phone dude, that doesn't happen. |
| 05:18.09 | raster | cehteh: and they wont work a-sis. sgc540 vs 530, differen fb subsystem as its samsung fb vs omap fb - so i'd have to do a fair bit of fiddling with them to get them to work... not tm mentio also get the xorg we work with thats dri2 based etc. |
| 05:18.16 | crashanddie | Now, Nokia is trying to be open (and for a corporation like nokia that's a very difficult thing to do) |
| 05:18.27 | crashanddie | and the only thing they get for it being yelled at and bitched at |
| 05:18.50 | raster | crashanddie: that is indeed true. but things are changing - phones are less "device" and more "computer than makes calls" and thats why platforms are what its all about now - and a platform lasts for more than 1 device. :) |
| 05:18.51 | crashanddie | my conclusion was thus: no wonder Nokia is dumping the maemo community, considering that most of what they get from it is a lot of shit in their face |
| 05:19.19 | crashanddie | raster: well, it never did in my mind... |
| 05:19.28 | raster | lpotter: lumbering beast... gl-es? |
| 05:19.35 | crashanddie | I knew Maemo 5 would be on Nokia N900 only |
| 05:19.53 | crashanddie | well, most likely, and that Maemo 6 would most probably not be compatible with the N900 |
| 05:20.06 | cehteh | its a pita... TI isnt exactly an open source friendly company, and yet so much OS projects depend on it |
| 05:20.21 | raster | crashanddie: well its a change. look at android, iphoneos even. iphone os works and ans spans multiple generations of hw - even from apple |
| 05:20.22 | cehteh | i guess even nokia cant do much on the contracts they made with TI |
| 05:20.23 | ShadowJK | cehteh, for some things they're friendlier than many ;) |
| 05:20.26 | crashanddie | sure, "I knew about it" isn't a viable argument, I'm just surprised that kind of info didn't circulate more than that |
| 05:20.32 | raster | nokia did do multi-gen suport for n800 and 810 |
| 05:20.35 | raster | 770 to a degree |
| 05:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 |
| 05:20.40 | raster | i think peolpe want more |
| 05:20.43 | luke-jr | cehteh: afaik, TI isn't the problem anymore |
| 05:20.47 | luke-jr | cehteh: it's Nokia and ImgTec |
| 05:20.55 | raster | and yes - u'll have the vocal minority who absolutely must have 100% open everything |
| 05:20.55 | crashanddie | raster: n810 only one OS, n800 two OSs, 770 3 OSs |
| 05:20.56 | cehteh | ShadowJK: there are plenty of cases where TI uses GPL software but doesnt releases the source and so on |
| 05:20.58 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, IVA2 is still closed :) |
| 05:21.00 | raster | its par of the course |
| 05:21.16 | cehteh | luke-jr: for the graphics yes |
| 05:21.21 | crashanddie | cehteh: if they don't modify it do they have to? |
| 05:21.25 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: IVA2? |
| 05:21.33 | luke-jr | cehteh: for something as basic as battery charging |
| 05:21.40 | cehteh | but for other things like the camera firmware, broadband and stuff TI is the problem |
| 05:21.41 | anotnac | there only people who dont care about n900 road map are people who got free or discounted devices. ppl who paid full wack are more vocal |
| 05:22.09 | cehteh | yeah |
| 05:22.16 | raster | crashanddie: anyway - i'm smack bang in the middle of the evolution from an os u "make work" for a device - ship it and forget vs platforms. its a change in thinking - nokia has to adapt. samsung has to. everyone has to. |
| 05:22.23 | crashanddie | anotnac: or people who don't consider £500 "full wack" |
| 05:22.27 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, hardware elements for video decode acceleration. Most likely DCT, MC and that stuff. Building blocks |
| 05:22.29 | cehteh | i paied full and put much more development efforts (man hours) into it than its worth |
| 05:22.52 | cehteh | that gives me the right to bitch about it! |
| 05:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | raster: ack |
| 05:23.26 | crashanddie | I've been saying this way too often: "Opinions are like assholes -- everyone's got one. Now that doesn't mean you should shove your up my face, does it?" |
| 05:23.44 | anotnac | i dont care about getting new OS on mine i just want it to have the future its being promisede, for that we can only wait |
| 05:23.45 | crashanddie | s/your/yours/ |
| 05:23.52 | luke-jr | shoves his opinion down crashanddie's ear. |
| 05:23.55 | ShadowJK | cehteh, SmartQ comes with binary samsung kernel module and a binary patched MPlayer (GPL) for which I've not been able to find source... Not really wanted to ask though, I guess I just like that it works :/ |
| 05:24.10 | crashanddie | luke-jr: You shoved me in the ear! |
| 05:24.24 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, sometimes I'm glad they keep the battery stuff away from lunatics like you ;-) |
| 05:24.25 | crashanddie | luke-jr: why the ear? Oh man |
| 05:24.29 | cehteh | ShadowJK: then beat raster a bit about the issues :P |
| 05:24.33 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: f u |
| 05:24.33 | raster | ShadowJK: gplviolations.org :) |
| 05:24.40 | cehteh | yeah |
| 05:24.47 | raster | cehteh: that kernel didnt come from me :) |
| 05:24.52 | luke-jr | raster: Linux copyright holders don't enforce it ;( |
| 05:24.54 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: play nice |
| 05:25.03 | raster | luke-jr: they should |
| 05:25.05 | cehteh | i saied 'a bit' .. maybe you have a little voice there |
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| 05:25.26 | raster | cehteh: not at all. smartq are the people who do the software. and they deal with samsung lsi |
| 05:25.31 | raster | i work with samsung dmc |
| 05:25.35 | cehteh | ah ok |
| 05:25.38 | raster | and even then just the limo/linu etc. group |
| 05:25.44 | raster | dont ask abaout bada - not my thing |
| 05:25.45 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 05:25.50 | ShadowJK | raster, so is your samsung involved in sponsoring the only kind of sports I watch? |
| 05:26.01 | raster | i cam shape the future of things from this corner |
| 05:26.04 | cehteh | haha bada is the worst thing i seen .. yet another completely propietary platform .. |
| 05:26.18 | raster | and to me - not just following the letter of the license, but the spirit is damned important |
| 05:26.20 | cehteh | wtf did they thought/smoke |
| 05:26.25 | raster | i know i wont get rid of all the closed binary bits |
| 05:26.33 | raster | but - if the license demands it - it must be open |
| 05:26.38 | raster | and if tis the right thing to do |
| 05:26.58 | raster | (bsd or mit-x11 license, but you modified it anyway) you SHOULD publish your soruce |
| 05:27.00 | anotnac | anyone having wifi problems with latest update on n900? just stopping working but being connected? |
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| 05:27.14 | raster | but more important than just source... is actively engaging your community - on a develoepr to developer level |
| 05:27.27 | cehteh | anotnac: iirc such a bug was fixed there |
| 05:27.37 | raster | actually talking with them, answering questions, giving direction etc. |
| 05:27.40 | ShadowJK | anotnac, I had that occasionally (well, two times since december) before the upgrade.. hasn't happend since |
| 05:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | raster: ack |
| 05:28.38 | anotnac | i'm getting it daily since 1.1.1 could it be b/c i restored a old back up made from with shipping firmware 42 |
| 05:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | I know I repeat myself :-P |
| 05:29.01 | cehteh | raster: yeah imo nokia needs to *employ* a community manager on the same level as a CTO .. who actualy has the access to tech stuff and decide if it makes sense to publish it |
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| 05:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | hides |
| 05:29.41 | crashanddie | cehteh: quim doesn't have anything of the level of a CTO |
| 05:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | I thought they actually have such a manager |
| 05:30.00 | crashanddie | they do |
| 05:30.09 | cehteh | there is no (much) point in having people here who work for nokia but dont have any rights and access, not even communication possibilities |
| 05:30.26 | ShadowJK | cehteh, uh. |
| 05:30.30 | ShadowJK | cehteh, that's not true |
| 05:30.45 | cehteh | crashanddie: that what i mean .. a commuminty manager should have enough privileges to do his work |
| 05:31.01 | crashanddie | cehteh: dude, do you realise how high up CTO is in a company as Nokia? |
| 05:31.04 | ShadowJK | You don't really mean to tell everyone else to piss off, do you |
| 05:31.05 | ShadowJK | ;) |
| 05:31.05 | mmgcs | made it past what appears to be an incorrect hildon-application-manager.list but am now getting a GPG error - GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 05:31.29 | cehteh | if he doesnt know whats going on inside nokia and doesnt know whom to ask |
| 05:31.38 | crashanddie | cehteh: hell, even in my company CTO is probably as important as CEO, that person doesn't have time to cuddle community people |
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| 05:32.36 | cehteh | yes i know |
| 05:32.53 | ali1234 | the problem is cuddles don't fix bugs |
| 05:32.59 | ali1234 | i wish they did but they don't |
| 05:33.13 | crashanddie | and neither a community manager nor a CTO will change that |
| 05:33.15 | raster | cehteh: community manager - agree. or cto or whoever needs to take on that role. either way - someoen with the ability to deicde what to say and who knows the directions etc. |
| 05:33.25 | cehteh | yes |
| 05:33.26 | crashanddie | we have that |
| 05:33.27 | anotnac | i've had a few cuddles that spread bugs |
| 05:33.30 | cehteh | thats what i meant |
| 05:33.45 | crashanddie | his name is Quim Gil, and knows more about the platform and future than any of us together |
| 05:33.55 | ShadowJK | i thought they just announced the direction and the direction is "qt 4.6 everywhere, including N900, and even on non-nokia devices" :P |
| 05:34.06 | crashanddie | and thanks to the stupid reactions of the community, that person has just retired from being a moderator on the forums |
| 05:34.15 | crashanddie | so congrats, again, Maemo Community, you've done well |
| 05:34.20 | lpotter | ShadowJK: ++ |
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| 05:34.52 | cehteh | crashanddie: Quim is has such a job, but he is clueless because he has not the contacts and rights to make decisions .. at best he just forwards things to some other monkey |
| 05:35.13 | crashanddie | cehteh: oh please, don't insult him like that |
| 05:35.22 | RST38h | An hello to you all. |
| 05:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | there's a reason OM never had an official forum. Everybody thought clinging with mailing lists would be a sane thing |
| 05:35.29 | cehteh | i dont want to insult him .. he does the best job he can do |
| 05:35.42 | RST38h | So, who has retired, again? Quim? |
| 05:35.54 | crashanddie | cehteh: Quim is very well connected. He didn't join Nokia because he happened to stumble across a job offer |
| 05:35.56 | raster | well no community relations guy who can put to rest speculation on the future of the n900 and meego/maemo - then the speculation will continue and be rife. fud will continue. such a community manager should put to rest such stuff early-on before it grows a life of its own and people actually really believe the fud - and nokia is too late to say otherwise as its not wedged in peoples minds. the fud has filled the position. nokia cant change i |
| 05:35.56 | raster | t anymore :( |
| 05:35.57 | cehteh | i want to insult nokia that they dont give him with enough respect and privileges |
| 05:35.58 | crashanddie | RST38h: from being a mod |
| 05:36.15 | RST38h | crashanddie: Pissed him off one time too many? |
| 05:36.33 | crashanddie | RST38h: people pissing all over him, saying that there was a conflict of interest with him being a mod and working for nokia |
| 05:36.34 | anotnac | quim is in a hard place, if hays too much bosses will be unhappy if he says too little community think nokia are hiding things, its lose lose for him |
| 05:36.44 | cehteh | fro quim its prolly a uphill battle .. demands from the community and fight with nokia bureacracy |
| 05:36.45 | anotnac | *he says |
| 05:36.53 | RST38h | crashanddie: Ah, The Conspiracy again! |
| 05:36.58 | crashanddie | RST38h: oh ja |
| 05:37.40 | lpotter | knows what it feels like to be a community manager |
| 05:37.52 | raster | lpotter: i know you do :) |
| 05:38.11 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 05:38.21 | crashanddie | gotta finish expense reports... |
| 05:38.22 | raster | lpotter: hard place >| you |< rock |
| 05:38.39 | crashanddie | 'later |
| 05:38.43 | raster | ciao |
| 05:38.43 | lpotter | raster: indeed. keyboard. meet head. |
| 05:38.43 | raster | :) |
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| 05:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, me remembers a lot of flames for LJP |
| 05:39.32 | raster | lpotter: it would be easier if u could actually make decisions and change direction - or talk about things "as you see fit" (as opposed to have to get approval for anything you may say :) (beyond a minimal approved subset)) |
| 05:41.08 | lpotter | true. but really, the n900/meego thing I think its a matter of resources. |
| 05:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | everything is, always |
| 05:41.58 | raster | lpotter: the sooner nokia set that baby to rest, the better. |
| 05:42.18 | raster | lpotter: me - i'm just mostly observing. my n900 is a toy... until my own toys are out :) |
| 05:42.24 | lpotter | do we allocate resources for meego on the n900 and possibly make the next device late? |
| 05:42.32 | raster | but i'd like to see all the "linux platforms" play nice |
| 05:42.33 | lpotter | thus costing lots of $$$ |
| 05:42.55 | raster | lpotter: you have that few people? |
| 05:43.39 | RST38h | yawns and points to Stskeeps |
| 05:43.46 | ShadowJK | I wonder how much would be saved on skipping the software "variants" *cough* |
| 05:43.47 | raster | or you commit to back-porting after next device is released - thus postponing the cost |
| 05:43.48 | ShadowJK | users would rejoice :D |
| 05:43.58 | RST38h | Here is your resource, allocated to porting Maemo (and MeeGo I guess) to older devices. |
| 05:44.16 | lpotter | there are also planing timeboxes and such |
| 05:44.16 | RST38h | Given that MeeGo sources are published of course. |
| 05:44.20 | raster | RST38h: sure - pay him for it :) |
| 05:44.30 | raster | that means he's an added resource - and an added cost - like any other employee |
| 05:44.31 | raster | :) |
| 05:44.32 | lpotter | not to mention QA |
| 05:44.34 | RST38h | raster: Guess what? Nokia is paying him for it. |
| 05:44.44 | raster | i thought it was maemo.org stuff? |
| 05:44.54 | ShadowJK | "distmaster" |
| 05:45.02 | RST38h | Ok, maemo.org is paying him for it. A technicality. |
| 05:45.03 | raster | ooh |
| 05:45.18 | raster | well as long as he has acces to the sources to be able to do it |
| 05:45.23 | raster | and the time and reosucres - done |
| 05:45.37 | raster | then why doesnt nokia go "we have Stskeeps on the job of doing that when the time comes" |
| 05:45.41 | raster | people will be happy |
| 05:45.55 | RST38h | people will never be happy |
| 05:46.08 | ShadowJK | raster, he has his own "Don't worry, you're in good hands, and this is why:" thread, not that people read :P |
| 05:46.09 | raster | well- happier. |
| 05:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: raster: ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 |
| 05:46.28 | RST38h | as an example, you can look in the mirror and count the number of lines starting with <raster> in the last 5 minutes at this channel. |
| 05:47.48 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: 98% of nokians know nothing about variants |
| 05:48.01 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, I gathered :D |
| 05:48.01 | ali1234 | in that thread i see Stskeeps asking the same questions everyone else is asking. except you praise him, instead of calling him a troll |
| 05:48.01 | timeless_mbp | they're only looked at by perhaps 10 people worldwide :) |
| 05:48.10 | timeless_mbp | so, i don't think it saves much 'work' |
| 05:48.15 | timeless_mbp | it would save community headaches |
| 05:48.20 | timeless_mbp | but it would create sales headaches |
| 05:48.24 | anotnac | only problem is if you flash you device with non-nokia official images you void warranty i believe so users still stuck what to do |
| 05:48.25 | ShadowJK | oh? |
| 05:48.35 | timeless_mbp | and sales headaches immediately transfer into engineering headaches |
| 05:49.15 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: I'd say 10 is a bit of an understatement |
| 05:49.22 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: maemo.org isn't an actual entity, so, Nokia is paying. |
| 05:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder how flashing a firmware could void the hw waranty |
| 05:49.41 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: i don't think i've met 3 |
| 05:49.52 | timeless_mbp | i know there are perhaps 2 testers |
| 05:49.58 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: companies claim things that aren't legal |
| 05:49.59 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: Someone has to do translation too :) |
| 05:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | I *can* see why Nokia hopes this could be established for a common notion though |
| 05:50.03 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: no |
| 05:50.11 | timeless_mbp | translation has nothing to do w/ variants |
| 05:50.17 | timeless_mbp | and besides, that's not internal |
| 05:50.22 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: (I've been mostly idling here) :) |
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| 05:50.41 | MiXu- | Oh, ok. I thought localization was about the same thing as variants. |
| 05:50.44 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 05:50.47 | timeless_mbp | totally unrelated |
| 05:51.00 | timeless_mbp | variants are about breaking software to satisfy theoretical market constraints |
| 05:51.13 | MiXu- | So, AT&T ? ;) |
| 05:51.20 | timeless_mbp | like "i want to have a link to the Nokia.co.uk privacy policy instead of the Nokia.com policy" |
| 05:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | after all that's the point where even EE has to change thinking to accomodate FOSS requirements |
| 05:51.26 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: or that |
| 05:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | very unusual requirement for EE |
| 05:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | or make that R&D |
| 05:52.30 | ShadowJK | "unbrickable" and indestructible by software? :-) |
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| 05:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 05:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | not even by a flawed batchrg driver |
| 05:53.04 | MiXu- | Fremantle is not quite there yet. lol =) |
| 05:53.18 | ShadowJK | MiXu-, I think it's close |
| 05:53.37 | raster | RST38h: he just asks questions. provides no answers. |
| 05:53.37 | ShadowJK | is there anything else than the warning about running CPU locked to 600MHz? :-) |
| 05:53.40 | raster | and people would like answers |
| 05:53.53 | raster | he asks good questions - Stskeeps is a smaret guya nd knows his stuff |
| 05:53.59 | raster | but desnt solve the problem |
| 05:54.06 | timeless_mbp | wonders who 'he' is |
| 05:54.20 | raster | timeless_mbp: Stskeeps |
| 05:54.28 | timeless_mbp | what problem do we have today? |
| 05:54.31 | MiXu- | Extras-devel has stuff that will more or less break N900 (or at least screw some things up). |
| 05:54.38 | RST38h | raster: What answers do you expect on a project that is nothing more than a web site and a mailing list? |
| 05:54.42 | ShadowJK | MiXu-, sure, but it's recoverable with flashing |
| 05:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: now that I got schem, I guess I can spot a few more :-P |
| 05:54.56 | RST38h | Once the MeeGo sources are published, there will be answers |
| 05:54.56 | raster | RST38h: mer or maemo? |
| 05:55.07 | raster | oh meego |
| 05:55.08 | RST38h | MeeGo |
| 05:55.18 | timeless_mbp | bah. mxr.moego.org :) |
| 05:55.24 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, N8x0 should be easy-ish to explode from software :D |
| 05:55.29 | raster | thats part of the badly executed announcement for meego |
| 05:55.29 | MiXu- | ShadowJK: Oh, ok I guess I misunderstood you then. I figured "indestructible" would mean that it has to be usable no matter what. |
| 05:55.32 | cehteh | RST38h: do you have any new xchat package planned next time? |
| 05:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: lol, really? |
| 05:55.41 | raster | it creates uncertainty with a big blaring trumpet - with no answers. |
| 05:55.45 | raster | thus - the situation at hand |
| 05:55.58 | ali1234 | i totally agree |
| 05:56.05 | RST38h | raster: It creates an uncertainty indeed, but YOU bring YOUR OWN trumptet =) |
| 05:56.08 | ShadowJK | MiXu-, no it means salvageable with a PC/Mac and the included acessories ;) |
| 05:56.29 | RST38h | cehteh: I will probably have to disable clickable notifications, so yes |
| 05:56.30 | MiXu- | alright, then it is in pretty good shape. :) |
| 05:56.37 | RST38h | cehteh; A lot of people are unhappy about these |
| 05:56.42 | raster | if meego was announced along with "and here is the plan fro mameo5 to meego and how it will transition - what products wil be supported that are currently maemo 5 etc. etc." it would have been much quieter and more certain |
| 05:56.49 | ShadowJK | MiXu-, instead of needing to access the pads behind the battery with special equipment and special software when you break it |
| 05:56.59 | RST38h | raster: such a transition has been announced. |
| 05:57.02 | timeless_mbp | raster: err |
| 05:57.04 | cehteh | hehe yes i expected that, you know where to change it? |
| 05:57.07 | timeless_mbp | if meego was announced like that |
| 05:57.09 | RST38h | raster: You just have not read |
| 05:57.10 | raster | RST38h: mwc201 brought a big loudspeaker :) |
| 05:57.16 | timeless_mbp | people would complain "how dare you not consult with us!" |
| 05:57.21 | timeless_mbp | people will complain no matter what |
| 05:57.29 | MiXu- | ShadowJK: Yep. I'm familiar with that stuff. :) |
| 05:57.39 | cehteh | its configureable anyways .. echo "NOTIFY_MODE -d" >.xchat2/maemo_notify.conf |
| 05:57.40 | raster | RST38h: where? where is the bit that involves how the n900 users will be supported? seriously - i want to know. |
| 05:57.49 | RST38h | raster: Harmattan stands Debian, with debs, but gets renamed from Maemo6 to MeeGo |
| 05:58.01 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I almost did it accidentally. Apparently sometimes when the battery daemon decides to abort() (and if I wouldn't have fiddled with R&D mode the device would have reset itself), it does so for a good reason :) |
| 05:58.01 | RST38h | raster: Next devices will be fully MeeGo based |
| 05:58.16 | RST38h | raster: This has been announced by Quim Gil among other people. |
| 05:58.16 | raster | thats a name only. its not really meego as it sstill debian |
| 05:58.23 | RST38h | sighs |
| 05:58.39 | RST38h | cehteh: Needs to be set by default or people get lost. |
| 05:58.48 | cehteh | RST38h: well another thing, i like to have the window title changed having "XChat: nickname @ network #channel" there .. the "XChat: nickname @" part is quite redundant |
| 05:58.49 | timeless_mbp | raster: marketing forced the branding change |
| 05:58.52 | timeless_mbp | that's life |
| 05:58.55 | ShadowJK | I'm not overly optimistic that there will be a unified MeeGo in the sense of a distribution :/ |
| 05:59.09 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i'd expect it to take 18months minimum |
| 05:59.09 | cehteh | RST38h: yes you can just flip a int in the plugin init function |
| 05:59.12 | raster | timeless_mbp: sure. i understand the why behind it |
| 05:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: poor EE performance. Such critical systems have to operate autonomously |
| 05:59.15 | timeless_mbp | it should happen |
| 05:59.29 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Neither do I, knowing how Intel works. |
| 05:59.36 | *** join/#maemo Terje1 (~Terje@esprx02x.nokia.com) |
| 05:59.43 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I'm sure it saved money and complexity for the cheapphones :) |
| 05:59.45 | timeless_mbp | raster: you'd prefer the announcement include "yes, we're idiots, no, you shouldn't buy our first X products, please wait until we run out of cash" ? |
| 06:00.01 | timeless_mbp | that seems like a sound business plan |
| 06:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure it did, but then OTOH cheapfones aren't FOSS |
| 06:00.16 | timeless_mbp | how do i subscribe to your newsletter? |
| 06:00.18 | ali1234 | i'd prefer the announcement contain answers to the questions raised by Stskeeps |
| 06:00.20 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.48 | timeless_mbp | would have preferred announcements to be drafted by competent people and presented by people who can speak coherently |
| 06:00.51 | timeless_mbp | we all have preferences |
| 06:00.59 | timeless_mbp | we're all bound to be disappointed, some more than others |
| 06:01.09 | RST38h | By nude blondes, yes |
| 06:01.23 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: you missed your chance in Sydney earlier this week |
| 06:01.38 | anotnac | a wer meego t-shirt comp to kick it off |
| 06:01.41 | RST38h | cehteh: I am not sure about the window title thing: This is how original XChat does it |
| 06:01.42 | anotnac | wet |
| 06:01.49 | cehteh | RST38h: the window title thing nags me quite much because there is not enough space to read the channel name on my device, can you change that or shall i send you a patch? |
| 06:01.53 | RST38h | cehteh: It also happens to be a valid URI ;) |
| 06:02.02 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, so even though I'd want the sauce to this battery soup myself, the thought of random people fiddling with it on their N8x0's is damn scary :) |
| 06:02.17 | RST38h | cehteh: I can probably change it, trivially, but am hesitant |
| 06:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so it is on N900 |
| 06:02.32 | raster | timeless_mbp: well if the end rsult is the same - peole feel they have been lied to and at the end thats worse than coming clean. but i think in the end the push is "we are your userbase - support us with your future os's (within reason) - and if you choose not to - you can watch us walk away as we feel you have screwed us" |
| 06:02.35 | timeless_mbp | http://news.google.com/news/story?q=sydney+art&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dTKUSkKcE_fIEwMXKGFOVnUiuQKqM&hl=en&ei=1amMS5L1JYz8-AbV4_TjDQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQqgIwAA |
| 06:02.44 | cehteh | uhm i thought about disabling the channel switcher .. but for that one needs the channel name in the title (readable) |
| 06:02.49 | raster | so if nokia wants to keepits loyal fans it needs to try and make them happy |
| 06:02.53 | raster | it can choose not to. |
| 06:02.54 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, quickly looking at it, I thought it looked like there's an actual battery charging chip in there :) |
| 06:02.58 | ShadowJK | like, a hardware one |
| 06:03.00 | raster | but there are consequences. |
| 06:03.01 | raster | :) |
| 06:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 06:03.10 | timeless_mbp | raster: yeah well |
| 06:03.13 | RST38h | cehteh: Channel switcher is pretty decent, in default config |
| 06:03.20 | timeless_mbp | just because nokia does X doesn't mean engineering agrees |
| 06:03.24 | RST38h | no reason to disable it |
| 06:03.34 | timeless_mbp | however |
| 06:03.34 | cehteh | RST38h: this is currently something i really want to change, but maybe configureable and retain the current way ba default |
| 06:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so probably another case of sw-devels not up to par with hw/EE |
| 06:03.41 | timeless_mbp | what lie do you think you were given? |
| 06:03.46 | raster | timeless_mbp: i dont say that enigneering is even at fault. :) |
| 06:03.50 | cehteh | RST38h: its not with many channels |
| 06:03.54 | raster | letalone agrees/condones |
| 06:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: cargo cult programming |
| 06:03.57 | cehteh | (30+) |
| 06:04.01 | timeless_mbp | at no point in time has anyone *promised* maemo6 or some other platform would run on the n900 |
| 06:04.12 | timeless_mbp | there i believe have been promises about service releases for the n900 |
| 06:04.29 | cehteh | scrolling there is very inconvinient and it takes a lot space |
| 06:04.33 | timeless_mbp | and occasional leaks about what might be fixed/included in an upcoming service release |
| 06:04.43 | MiXu- | The last statement that I saw from a nokian said "We don't know" about whether N900 will be supported by Meego. |
| 06:04.47 | raster | timeless_mbp: no lie - yet. community wants a "support the device i just bought from you with your future os's and you've announced a farily radical os change right after shipping this device - i'd like to know you dont plan to abandon me" |
| 06:04.49 | timeless_mbp | (among other things, maps will suck less in the next service release) |
| 06:05.06 | cehteh | and maybe you try it scrolling is very slow when you have the tabs style on either side and not tree or top/bottom |
| 06:05.08 | timeless_mbp | raster: i don't plan to abandon you for many months |
| 06:05.19 | timeless_mbp | that's the best you could possibly get |
| 06:05.25 | cehteh | maybe a bug? .. dunno |
| 06:05.37 | timeless_mbp | each product nokia has shipped has had at least a 1 year shelf life so far |
| 06:05.50 | timeless_mbp | and each product has been relatively useful for another 2 or so years thereafter |
| 06:06.03 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: Do you know if navigation will be introduced? |
| 06:06.04 | timeless_mbp | i don't know of any top of the line phones which actually last 3 years |
| 06:06.09 | raster | timeless_mbp: doesnt say much about the whole meego affair - thats what nokia + intel announced specifically to grab attention - so it'd got mine.. now what? :) |
| 06:06.13 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: what's navigation? |
| 06:06.30 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: Routing + turn-by-turn guidance |
| 06:06.36 | cehteh | timeless: huh .. i expect to use my n900 for the years coming .. |
| 06:06.45 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: the original maps app included routing |
| 06:06.47 | raster | anyway - thats just what the whole thinbg is about - lack of clear direction |
| 06:06.56 | timeless_mbp | raster: i think the goal was to distract attention from competing platforms |
| 06:06.56 | raster | i loook at mameo news |
| 06:07.01 | raster | maemo.nokia.org |
| 06:07.01 | ali1234 | timeless_mbp: my winmo phone had two updates from carrier over the course of 2 years, and the community is still doing cooked roms for it to this day |
| 06:07.02 | cehteh | i mean more than 3 years |
| 06:07.06 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: Yeah, but it's impossible to use while driving because it doesn't do turn-by-turn guidance. |
| 06:07.08 | timeless_mbp | and ask you to join in meego development for the future |
| 06:07.18 | raster | nothing about meego :( |
| 06:07.27 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: ah well, eh, |
| 06:07.36 | timeless_mbp | do i need a car? |
| 06:07.40 | timeless_mbp | because i don't have a license |
| 06:07.40 | MiXu- | I do. :) |
| 06:07.42 | timeless_mbp | (or a car) |
| 06:08.00 | ShadowJK | MiXu-, I think the bigger issue is that it doesn't re-calculate the route when you deviate from it, you have to find your own way back instead of, say, being guided back to the route, or taken on an alternate route since you rejected its proposal with your actions :) |
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| 06:08.20 | MiXu- | ShadowJK: That's a major issue as well |
| 06:08.21 | timeless_mbp | MiXu-: its strings still suck |
| 06:08.27 | timeless_mbp | i can promise you that |
| 06:08.30 | timeless_mbp | is that helpful? :) |
| 06:08.55 | MiXu- | timeless_mbp: Slightly helpful, yes. But it's still not the thing I need. :) |
| 06:09.11 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, can you drop hints to the UI people responsible for ovi maps on maemo that their icons are inexplicably cryptic to decipher? ;D |
| 06:09.24 | MiXu- | Yes they are! |
| 06:09.30 | pwnguin | what's crytpic about a large and small line? |
| 06:09.32 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i literally spelled those hints out months ago |
| 06:09.36 | pwnguin | _-_ |
| 06:09.41 | MiXu- | And the UI logic is pretty cryptic as well |
| 06:09.49 | ShadowJK | timeless, ah okay, plan B: slice of lemon wrapped around a brick |
| 06:09.52 | timeless_mbp | i think i gave them a list of about 100 problems |
| 06:10.01 | ShadowJK | lol, awesome |
| 06:10.02 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: the maps people are in Berlin |
| 06:10.16 | timeless_mbp | most of you are probably closer to them than i am |
| 06:10.25 | timeless_mbp | please feel free to track them down and give them ⦠something |
| 06:10.56 | ShadowJK | finnish beer? |
| 06:11.04 | crashanddie | get another one |
| 06:11.12 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: :) |
| 06:11.20 | crashanddie | and that works for both the misspelling of "finish" and "Finnish" |
| 06:11.27 | RST38h | Hmm...the Buzz buzz has quited down |
| 06:11.35 | RST38h | No more buzzes, or almost none |
| 06:11.52 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 06:11.59 | timeless_mbp | i think i need to shoot them another nastygram |
| 06:12.08 | RST38h | Send pupnik with a Molotov cocktail |
| 06:12.09 | timeless_mbp | they don't quite understand how 'sheets' are supposed to work |
| 06:12.17 | timeless_mbp | they decided to put a sheet *behind* something |
| 06:12.25 | timeless_mbp | shakes head |
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| 06:12.47 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, oh, the blue arrow key (Fn) behaves differently in Maps, it's not sticky |
| 06:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: decent weed |
| 06:12.53 | MiXu- | If someone thinks maps ui is good, they obviously never tried it :D |
| 06:13.02 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: it should behave roughly the same way as in the browser |
| 06:13.13 | timeless_mbp | if it doesn't, there's something even more wrong floating around |
| 06:13.16 | timeless_mbp | brb |
| 06:13.24 | timeless_mbp | goes off to hunt a Finn |
| 06:14.07 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, the implication is that .fi beer is a punishment for them |
| 06:14.42 | SpeedEvil | maps breaks the UI in so many ways |
| 06:14.43 | RST38h | MiXu: Maep UI is good. |
| 06:14.44 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: Finnish beer is generally considered tantamount to piss |
| 06:14.55 | timeless_mbp | Maep ui is awesome |
| 06:15.01 | SpeedEvil | forex - how do I change away from it while it loads. |
| 06:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | make them drive all around brandenburg with their own maps only, and NO beverages until they find home |
| 06:15.19 | MiXu- | :D |
| 06:15.20 | cehteh | haha |
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| 06:15.26 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 06:15.37 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Fn key is not sticky in my apps either. It happens when you access keys below the input plugin |
| 06:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | moin Stskeeps :-D |
| 06:15.42 | MiXu- | Does maep do routing? |
| 06:15.50 | Stskeeps | backlog containing my nick and 'troll', excellent |
| 06:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 06:16.00 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: not worth reading |
| 06:16.00 | RST38h | ShadowJK: In my case, I am processing Gdk Up/Down events |
| 06:16.09 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, nope, can't get press fn, release fn, press something else to work as expected (something else producing the blue symbol from that key).. needs to be done as press and hold fn while simultaneously pressing other key.. |
| 06:16.11 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Glad you like it =) |
| 06:16.16 | cehteh | when i had a finish friend as guest some years ago he hand nothing better to do than getting a map (dead tree variant) and mark any place he drank a beer here :P |
| 06:16.40 | MiXu- | haha, sounds like a finn ;) |
| 06:16.44 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, skip it, it's a better morning that way |
| 06:16.48 | Stskeeps | fwiw i'm not doing official work, it's community work and nokia sponsors a community position :P |
| 06:16.49 | cehteh | today you prolly set waypoints :) |
| 06:16.54 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Now you got him wondering. |
| 06:17.01 | MiXu- | A more practical Finn would also have written down the prices of pints ;) |
| 06:17.17 | ShadowJK | MiXu-, and calculated alcohol per euro |
| 06:17.23 | cehteh | there is not so much variance here |
| 06:17.32 | *** join/#maemo kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) |
| 06:17.42 | cehteh | and prolly all much cheaper than in finland |
| 06:17.45 | Stskeeps | i'm paid to have the community agenda and ask questions in a constructive way and help things :) |
| 06:17.54 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: so did you get answers to those three questions yet? |
| 06:18.02 | MiXu- | ShadowJK: yes :) |
| 06:18.14 | RST38h | Stskeeps: elaborate on the "help things" part =) |
| 06:18.25 | Stskeeps | RST38h: not before coffee |
| 06:19.08 | RST38h | heh |
| 06:19.09 | Stskeeps | ali1234: Quim's LTS support thread on meego-dev is a fork from some of these |
| 06:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: hope you can make a living out of that |
| 06:19.27 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, oh, it works after I tap the input field, but not if I just start typing, because the cursor is in the input field and I assume that it should "just work" since the right hting appears to already have focus.. maybe |
| 06:19.32 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: uh huh. and did he answer any of them? |
| 06:20.41 | Stskeeps | ali1234: my questions are also meant as expectations from community to nokia as a hw vendor in a open project. |
| 06:20.58 | ali1234 | yeah i get that. so where are the answers? |
| 06:21.25 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i'd imagine you could write a browser hosted web page which would suffer the same |
| 06:22.01 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, I think with browser the issue I encounter the most often is that I start typing something and then suddenly it's all in the address bar :) |
| 06:22.33 | Stskeeps | ali1234: so why are you asking me? i'm not a nokia official and frankly happy i am not :) |
| 06:22.37 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: you realize there's a user option for that? |
| 06:22.46 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, really? |
| 06:22.53 | timeless_mbp | uhuh |
| 06:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: WELL DON'T THEY PAY YOU GOOD FOR THE STUFF THAT YOU DO? *"Well, you know, I can' t complain when the checks come through..." <FZ, titties & beer> ;-P |
| 06:23.33 | Stskeeps | ali1234: that post was made cos people were asking in east and west instead of focusing on the core issue. |
| 06:23.41 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: if you're using my strings, it's: tap title bar, tap options, tap options, uncheck 'typing triggers urlbar' |
| 06:23.50 | timeless_mbp | if you aren't using my strings, i'm sorry |
| 06:23.57 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, I'm pretty sure that in 50% of those cases stuff was alreayd appearing in some input box on a web page, and then jumped to the address bar... it's making me doubt my sanity.. possibly I'm already insane ;) |
| 06:24.02 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: well, like the msg said, i am confused why you get 3000+ thanks for asking these questions but raster catches a bunch of flak |
| 06:24.08 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: check the checkbox |
| 06:24.11 | timeless_mbp | if it's checked.... |
| 06:24.34 | Stskeeps | ali1234: raster has an inflammatory personality at times but he's a cool guy? |
| 06:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | s/?// |
| 06:24.56 | ShadowJK | "Auto focus address field"... this sounds like a weird bugfix to one of the top voted diablo browser bugs about ^L not giving focus to address bar by default.. |
| 06:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 06:25.00 | Stskeeps | (i did not read whole backlog) |
| 06:25.20 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, and i think i do a good job too :P |
| 06:25.26 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: our business owner demanded the feature |
| 06:25.29 | timeless_mbp | and demanded it be on by default |
| 06:25.38 | timeless_mbp | we tried to explain just how bad of an idea it was |
| 06:25.44 | ShadowJK | I guess the "autofocus" might activate after device inactivity / screen off, that'd explain the "wtf" experience :) |
| 06:25.46 | timeless_mbp | the best we got is the option to get rid of the behavior |
| 06:26.03 | raster | Stskeeps: crashanddie stood on my tail and called me a troll (said i was trolling). |
| 06:26.04 | raster | :) |
| 06:26.07 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: screen clearing probably removes focus from the web page input field |
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| 06:26.25 | SpeedEvil | raster: you are a troll. Just better informed than most trolls. |
| 06:26.27 | timeless_mbp | which means that if you try typing, you aren't anywhere, and yeah, autofocus would kick in |
| 06:26.31 | raster | crashanddie: hahahahahahhaha |
| 06:26.37 | raster | oops |
| 06:26.41 | raster | SpeedEvil: hahahahahahaha |
| 06:26.47 | RST38h | raster: and you weren't? |
| 06:26.52 | raster | i wasnt |
| 06:26.59 | Stskeeps | what SpeedEvil said ;) |
| 06:27.04 | RST38h | thinks of ducks |
| 06:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | raster: now that little gnome in that appartment in TPE was *you*?! ;-) |
| 06:27.39 | raster | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll |
| 06:27.42 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, I'm usually not that bad at finglish, but nokia is really good at pushing the envelope here... :-) |
| 06:28.07 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: upgrade to my strings |
| 06:28.13 | raster | didnt use ad hominem comments nor did i say anything that doesnt have substance |
| 06:28.30 | raster | didnt do it to cause maximum disruption |
| 06:28.54 | timeless_mbp | raster: you didn't do it to cause maximum disruption? |
| 06:28.59 | timeless_mbp | what result were you expecting? |
| 06:29.04 | raster | actually expressed agreement with other people with an opinion that crashanddie was railing at quite rudely |
| 06:29.07 | timeless_mbp | is the claim that it was minimal disruption because of the time of day? |
| 06:29.57 | raster | ie "I say, fuck Maemo as a community |
| 06:30.11 | RST38h | ok |
| 06:30.20 | raster | timeless_mbp: standing up for the people he was saying "fuck you" to. |
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| 06:30.39 | raster | because they in general have a legitimate concern he happens tonot agree with. |
| 06:30.41 | raster | anyway |
| 06:30.44 | raster | i wasnt trolling |
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| 06:31.03 | Stskeeps | raster: had a bit of sarcasm, sorry :) |
| 06:31.32 | raster | if the result of disagreeing with someopne who has ops is to be labelled a troll - perhaps i should bow out of maemo entirely as it seems people with dissenting opinions are not desired. :) |
| 06:32.00 | Stskeeps | raster: a publically traded can't say meego on X will come when X's ARM port is in bootstrapping phase |
| 06:32.13 | Stskeeps | +company |
| 06:32.36 | Stskeeps | they'll do this when they know they can delivery |
| 06:32.40 | Stskeeps | -y |
| 06:32.44 | ali1234 | fwiw i think community meego on n900 will be a lot easier than what mer project has previously had to deal with |
| 06:32.47 | raster | Stskeeps: at least a statement of intention to do it would help. :) |
| 06:32.51 | raster | anyway. |
| 06:33.21 | raster | its just people want a "there there. it'll be all right. no one's going to hurt you" from nokia - one that feels like it has meaning |
| 06:33.39 | raster | sure - shit happens. they lose people, have delays, things go wrong - things become late. |
| 06:33.46 | Stskeeps | and sue their asses if they were wrong? :P |
| 06:33.51 | raster | as long as there is intent to do good - thats a big plus :) |
| 06:33.54 | Stskeeps | raster: i don't worry cos we have very open channels to get things running |
| 06:34.10 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: These open channels. |
| 06:34.17 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: are they blood gutters? |
| 06:34.35 | Stskeeps | in meego, nokia would be a hw vendor and has to act like a responsible ones |
| 06:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-P |
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| 06:35.17 | ali1234 | i think even if nokia came straight out and said "we will not do it, sorry" that would be less damaging than remaining silent |
| 06:36.01 | Stskeeps | they do that at times. see fremantle alpha sdk |
| 06:36.14 | Stskeeps | er, pre alpha |
| 06:36.46 | raster | thats fair enough |
| 06:36.53 | ali1234 | well, sure, but maemo was a lot smaller back then, and the new hardware actually did new things |
| 06:37.12 | raster | or even saying "we intend to provide the tools to the community to be able to support themselves" |
| 06:37.18 | raster | eg drivers etc. etc. |
| 06:37.23 | ali1234 | adding a phone to the mix is a much bigegr change than just adding a capacitive screen or w/e |
| 06:37.43 | Stskeeps | raster: hence my questions and discussion we need to have |
| 06:38.13 | raster | Stskeeps: go do it! :) seen the q's - i think the community is after answers to just such q's. :) |
| 06:38.48 | raster | and - until there are.. i suspect there is little u can do for people inventing whatever truth they come up with :) (fact of life on this here internets thing) :) |
| 06:38.49 | RST38h | sighs again |
| 06:38.49 | timeless_mbp | raster: um |
| 06:38.57 | Stskeeps | raster: i fully intend to - but noone picked up on LTS thread on meego-dev |
| 06:39.00 | timeless_mbp | didn't nokia eventually get drivers for certain older things? |
| 06:39.29 | raster | timeless_mbp: still no battery driver last i checked for n800? no? yes? am i wrong? |
| 06:39.47 | raster | or well no open one so upgrading kernels is... problematic |
| 06:39.54 | raster | i know wifi came out |
| 06:39.56 | timeless_mbp | sorry |
| 06:39.57 | raster | that was good |
| 06:40.05 | Stskeeps | raster: bme is accessible for distribution (userland) if asked nicely |
| 06:40.05 | timeless_mbp | you want a way to make your n800 into a bomb? |
| 06:40.21 | timeless_mbp | i don't really think nokia needs the press from you doing that |
| 06:40.22 | timeless_mbp | thanks. |
| 06:40.30 | Stskeeps | raster: we have 2.6.33 on n8âx0 |
| 06:40.44 | Stskeeps | wifi was only blocker |
| 06:40.47 | raster | Stskeeps: aaah so u need to sign up an nda basically? |
| 06:40.48 | timeless_mbp | wonders what character set Stskeeps is using |
| 06:41.04 | ShadowJK | timeless, it's just fat fingers |
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| 06:41.38 | ShadowJK | or it looks like that |
| 06:41.43 | Stskeeps | raster: nah, nokia-binaries style eula prolly. noone asked for distribution yet |
| 06:42.42 | Stskeeps | licensing changes queue at http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Licensing_change_requests |
| 06:42.42 | raster | timeless_mbp: so i'm correct. it wasnt made public. justifying it doesnt change that it is problematic for continued community support. |
| 06:43.01 | raster | Stskeeps: hmm ok - but its still a kernel module - right? |
| 06:43.05 | Stskeeps | raster: no |
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| 06:43.27 | crashanddie | raster: if you're going to talk crap about people, try not to highlight them |
| 06:43.27 | Stskeeps | wifi was only closed .ko |
| 06:43.49 | crashanddie | raster: i'm strongly opinionated, please do raise it to me, but don't go talking about me to other people |
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| 06:44.30 | Stskeeps | morning dneary |
| 06:44.40 | dneary | morning |
| 06:44.43 | crashanddie | raster: and don't quote out of context, thank you very much |
| 06:44.57 | raster | crashanddie: ooh so you are off topic. i must ban any mention of you ever? |
| 06:44.57 | dneary | Stskeeps, Not in for long... you around later? |
| 06:45.06 | raster | peolpe can scroll back for that |
| 06:45.12 | raster | you hate pastes |
| 06:45.19 | raster | so i cant quote in context |
| 06:45.20 | raster | :) |
| 06:45.27 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5483255/topeka-kansas-changes-name-in-attempt-to-get-googles-gigabit-fiber |
| 06:45.34 | crashanddie | raster: there's logging on this channel for a reason |
| 06:45.45 | raster | Stskeeps: hmm so there must be some kernel side battery control logic somewhere |
| 06:45.59 | timeless_mbp | starts Mer^2 |
| 06:46.03 | raster | crashanddie: then id doesnt matter if i mention you - you can read the logs. |
| 06:46.18 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: screen size is a bit big |
| 06:46.19 | Stskeeps | dneary: yeah, all day, anything you'd like to discuss? |
| 06:46.21 | RST38h | serial renamers |
| 06:46.25 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah agreed |
| 06:46.36 | Stskeeps | raster: nop, all in bme |
| 06:46.44 | dneary | Stskeeps, It starts with me and ends with go |
| 06:47.01 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: lol, the troll shares your first name |
| 06:47.04 | Stskeeps | dneary: fair enough - poke me before 16 polish time |
| 06:47.14 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: are guest additions installed, or do i get to do that? |
| 06:47.26 | dneary | OK |
| 06:47.48 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: not preinstalled |
| 06:48.25 | raster | Stskeeps: as i said above - the arsehole calls me a troll - without understanding its meaning (and being the one to verbally abuse the community). |
| 06:48.30 | timeless_mbp | hey, there's no /floppy |
| 06:48.38 | timeless_mbp | wanted to mount /dev/cdrom /floppy |
| 06:48.54 | raster | i'm getting the drift that this amemo community is a bit of a sesspit and it's time to leave it to fester on its own. |
| 06:49.12 | crashanddie | raster: finally, you've caught on :) |
| 06:49.14 | Stskeeps | raster: :nod: |
| 06:49.20 | SpeedEvil | Well - poking stuff with sticks doesn't help. |
| 06:49.29 | RST38h | yawns at raster |
| 06:49.30 | SpeedEvil | Whatever the state of that stuff. |
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| 06:49.52 | RST38h | Ah, stop ranting already. Do something useful. |
| 06:49.59 | SpeedEvil | I hope things get less poisonous when there is movement on meego. |
| 06:50.05 | RST38h | ==> work |
| 06:50.07 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: eww, /tmp isn't friendly to guest additions |
| 06:50.23 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 06:50.40 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - doesn't seem likely. |
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| 06:51.50 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: it's fremantle in the good and bad |
| 06:51.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 06:52.06 | bobzer_ | hi |
| 06:52.12 | bobzer_ | it's me again |
| 06:52.15 | timeless_mbp | yeah yeah, TMPDIR is my friend |
| 06:52.21 | bobzer_ | with my problem |
| 06:52.25 | timeless_mbp | goes to find the wiki page that lists the pkg's to install |
| 06:52.55 | bobzer_ | my phone doesn't want to start |
| 06:53.19 | bobzer_ | when i success to turn on it load and stop |
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| 06:53.50 | bobzer_ | to finally turn off and stay with a white screen where it's write nokia |
| 06:53.57 | bobzer_ | and no backlight |
| 06:54.54 | bobzer_ | somebody can help me ? |
| 06:54.56 | bobzer_ | please |
| 06:55.31 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: do i want -common instead of -generic? |
| 06:55.59 | ShadowJK | "load and stop"? |
| 06:56.02 | ali1234 | bobzer_: hold the power button for 10 seconds |
| 06:56.12 | bobzer_ | and ? |
| 06:56.21 | ali1234 | and see what happens |
| 06:56.53 | bobzer_ | strictly nothing |
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| 06:57.26 | ali1234 | hmm. when did this start happening? |
| 06:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: yellow idicator LED? |
| 06:57.50 | bobzer_ | since this morning |
| 06:58.00 | bobzer_ | and yes the indicator is orange |
| 06:58.09 | bobzer_ | and don't blink |
| 06:58.15 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: context please |
| 06:58.20 | timeless_mbp | nope, looks like i want -686 |
| 06:58.25 | timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Installation_in_VirtualBox |
| 06:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | so it's probably just a very drained battery, and needs several hoers to recharge |
| 06:58.32 | timeless_mbp | sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-*kernel-version*-generic |
| 06:58.40 | timeless_mbp | 'generic' should be '686' today |
| 06:58.51 | Stskeeps | think it's 686 |
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| 06:59.07 | timeless_mbp | 686 worked |
| 06:59.16 | timeless_mbp | hrm, 'shutdown -r now' doesn't work |
| 06:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: let it charge for some hours |
| 06:59.40 | bobzer_ | the phone it's plus to my computer |
| 06:59.49 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: not sure which package has that one |
| 06:59.50 | bobzer_ | it charge all the day |
| 07:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: use the wallcharger, not your computer |
| 07:00.26 | bobzer_ | i don't have the wall charger with me |
| 07:00.26 | timeless_mbp | oh, shutdown exists, it just doesn't seem to be helpful |
| 07:00.30 | timeless_mbp | tries shutdown -r +1 |
| 07:01.10 | bobzer_ | i can do nohing without the wall charger ? |
| 07:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so it may have additional problems with your USB host possibly shutting down on suspend |
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| 07:01.19 | bobzer_ | please says me it's possible |
| 07:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: iz |
| 07:01.36 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: not sure 'reboot' is there |
| 07:01.36 | bobzer_ | iz ? |
| 07:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | it should work as well |
| 07:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you PC doesn't suspend |
| 07:02.33 | timeless_mbp | it isn't |
| 07:02.53 | bobzer_ | my phone it's really strange |
| 07:03.00 | bobzer_ | i just unplugged |
| 07:03.50 | bobzer_ | and now the indicator is blinking |
| 07:03.51 | bobzer_ | like if it was in charge |
| 07:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | continuous yellow is a mere hw-indicator running from charger chip to LED |
| 07:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | it overrides whatever the system might do to the LED |
| 07:05.07 | raster | ok |
| 07:05.09 | raster | out of here |
| 07:05.15 | raster | so long and thanks for al the fish |
| 07:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | raster: cya |
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| 07:06.30 | bobzer_ | DocScrutinizer: so why the led is blinking and the phone it's not plug ?? |
| 07:06.34 | raster | this channel is about as appetising as a rotten sardine sandwich thanks to some particular askects of its community |
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| 07:06.53 | ShadowJK | 'd disconnect phone, remove battery for a minute, put battery back in, connect cable, and do nothing for a few hours |
| 07:07.12 | bobzer_ | and the power button do nothing |
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| 07:07.17 | bobzer_ | i can't turn off |
| 07:07.42 | bobzer_ | ShadowJK: i already try this |
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| 07:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: bat too low, system isn't completely booted. Keep it charging until the bat has enough power to boot up |
| 07:08.59 | Stskeeps | morning tekojo! |
| 07:09.23 | crashanddie | bobzer_: which is what we've been telling you for the past couple of hours |
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| 07:09.55 | bobzer_ | but the phone stayed plug to charge since 2pm |
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| 07:10.56 | bobzer_ | what is the meaning of the indicator when the led is orange and not blinking |
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| 07:11.36 | timeless_mbp2 | grumbles |
| 07:11.42 | timeless_mbp2 | adium is not being cooperative |
| 07:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: [2010-03-02 08:04:31] <DocScrutinizer> continuous yellow is a mere hw-indicator running from charger chip to LED |
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| 07:12.43 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i don't entirely agree with that statement |
| 07:12.45 | bobzer_ | but normally when is charging its binking no ? |
| 07:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: so yellow/orange non-blinking is a quite decent indicator it's actually charging |
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| 07:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: not? |
| 07:13.06 | bobzer_ | oh something change |
| 07:13.14 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: as i know, all the magic happens in either nolo, init scripts (see BME event.d script) and BME |
| 07:13.15 | bobzer_ | it turn off itself |
| 07:13.21 | bobzer_ | rumble one time |
| 07:13.28 | bobzer_ | and now it's blinking |
| 07:13.43 | tybollt | blinking means; I'm charging |
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| 07:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I spotted a circuit to switc red+green from charger chip |
| 07:13.53 | bobzer_ | now i see the nokia logo |
| 07:14.03 | timeless_mbp2 | Stskeeps: do i need some magical thing to get the modules loaded? |
| 07:14.14 | tybollt | bobzer_: does it boot up? |
| 07:14.26 | bobzer_ | no |
| 07:14.28 | tybollt | bobzer_: otherwise you don't have enough juice in the phone to run |
| 07:14.42 | bobzer_ | nothing happen when i push the putton power |
| 07:14.49 | tybollt | bobzer_: which means -> leave it to charge for about ten-fifteen minutes and then you're good to go |
| 07:15.05 | bobzer_ | i hope |
| 07:15.14 | tybollt | it's been stated TIME and TIME AGAIN that the charger for N900 is a CHARGER not a PSU. |
| 07:15.28 | bobzer_ | but i really don't think it's true because i already try |
| 07:15.32 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp2: hmm, not sure, it doesn't show up in lsmod? |
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| 07:15.48 | anotnac | he said hes had it on charge for hours already earlier |
| 07:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: V1301, v1302, v1303, N1140 |
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| 07:16.07 | timeless_mbp2 | doesn't seem to, what would it be called? |
| 07:16.22 | tybollt | timeless_mbp2: "shirley" for sure! |
| 07:16.31 | timeless_mbp2 | prefers sue |
| 07:16.36 | tybollt | >:) |
| 07:16.38 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp2: sec |
| 07:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: N1140 *is* a charger chip |
| 07:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | anotnac: aiui that was PC. And even on wallcharger N900 tends to ignore first plug-event and not notice the charger |
| 07:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | anotnac: really annoying, bites me as well sometimes |
| 07:19.18 | mece | agrees. You often have to plug it in twice. |
| 07:19.33 | anotnac | he as no wall charger i think he said too |
| 07:19.38 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i might be wrong of course |
| 07:19.54 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp2: /etc/rcS-modules.conf is a newline seperated list of modules to load on startup |
| 07:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I just deduce from schematics |
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| 07:20.29 | timeless_mbp2 | enosuchfile |
| 07:20.29 | mece | always checks that at least something is blinking after it's plugged in. |
| 07:20.33 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp2: you make it :) |
| 07:20.40 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: sure the charging chip isn't handling LEDs too? |
| 07:20.41 | timeless_mbp2 | what's the name of the module? |
| 07:20.47 | Stskeeps | well, i hoped you'd know :P |
| 07:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: It *is*, as I mentioned above |
| 07:21.17 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ah, we talked past eachother then |
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| 07:21.28 | timeless_mbp2 | modprobe vboxguest failed :( |
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| 07:21.49 | ShadowJK | i thoght it looked like charging chip can only make yellow |
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| 07:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly |
| 07:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | red+green=yellow |
| 07:25.58 | ShadowJK | but led doesnt blink when screen is on, so software can tell the charging chip to do whatever, I guess. |
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| 07:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | It can tell the chip to stop the yellow-signal, yes seems correct |
| 07:26.53 | MiXu- | Is it an RGB-led btw? |
| 07:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 07:27.13 | MiXu- | Ok. I was just wondering because I've never seen it red |
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| 07:28.18 | raster | MiXu-: orange... :) |
| 07:28.27 | raster | (red + some green) :) |
| 07:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | +blue=white ;-) |
| 07:29.17 | MiXu- | Yeah. Well I thought there might be 3 different colored leds. blue+yellow+green. |
| 07:29.26 | MiXu- | It wouldn't have made much sense though |
| 07:29.47 | ShadowJK | mine flickers red when i remove charger |
| 07:29.48 | raster | MiXu-: that could be the case... :) |
| 07:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's 3 LEDs, just they are blue, green, and red |
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| 07:30.09 | MiXu- | right |
| 07:30.11 | raster | dunno - but if ua re going to have 3 colors.. r, g and b let u make any color u like... (well most - lets not talk color specrta/ranges) :) |
| 07:31.10 | mece | it's an rgb led?!?! Awesome! Min is going to be pink tonight! |
| 07:31.15 | mece | mine even |
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| 07:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | actually mirror app should shine the ind.LED red |
| 07:31.41 | DocScrutinizer | it doesn't :-( |
| 07:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | mece, wait a second |
| 07:32.28 | mece | wot? |
| 07:32.31 | bobzer_ | i did nothing and now it come back to a non blinking led and a the logo of nokia |
| 07:33.06 | mece | is waiting a second. |
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| 07:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | nah, to silly. I planned to post you the pattern, but actually I simply changed RGB to RB |
| 07:33.49 | mece | DocScrutinizer, aren't we talking regular rgb patterns? |
| 07:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | for the breating light pattern in mce.init |
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| 07:34.09 | MiXu- | We definitely need an application that cycles through all kinds of colors ;) |
| 07:34.20 | cehteh | to bad that only 2 engines are available for the blinking .. i want a rainbow pattern |
| 07:34.20 | raster | i wonder |
| 07:34.31 | raster | maybe the led should be expoed as another x display |
| 07:34.33 | raster | another screen |
| 07:34.38 | raster | :0.0 and :1.0 |
| 07:34.43 | raster | :1.0 is 1x1 pixel |
| 07:34.46 | MiXu- | haha |
| 07:34.57 | raster | it makes sense tho |
| 07:35.00 | mece | what's an example of the pattern now then? I mean what's the format? |
| 07:35.07 | ShadowJK | wonders if trying to start on empty battery counts towards the too-many-resets counter... |
| 07:35.07 | raster | if you expand the idea that devices may have multiple display areas |
| 07:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I'll come up with a rainbow pattern eventually. It holds for 30min or somesuch, when kbd slider closed |
| 07:35.19 | cehteh | mece there is a 'led-pattern-editor' |
| 07:35.23 | raster | they may have 2nd lcd's on the back or inside/outside |
| 07:35.33 | raster | or even arrays of led's to display images/patterns |
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| 07:35.37 | raster | a lot of japanese phones do that |
| 07:35.45 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: you need all 3 engines for a true rainbow pattern |
| 07:35.54 | raster | korean ones too |
| 07:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I'll use all 3 |
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| 07:36.27 | cehteh | ah yes i can do that too .. but its not valid for mce |
| 07:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart mce |
| 07:36.41 | infobot | raises middle finger to mce |
| 07:36.44 | cehteh | thu shal not use ta 3rd engine |
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| 07:37.12 | cehteh | otherwise sure .. i can programm anything manually |
| 07:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | actually I thought about using SElinux rules to keep mce from messing with 3rd engine |
| 07:37.41 | cehteh | haha |
| 07:37.53 | cehteh | does the kernel have SElinux enabled |
| 07:38.07 | cehteh | hey nokia left already all useful things out |
| 07:38.10 | raster | http://phonewebz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/picture-15.png |
| 07:38.12 | raster | like that |
| 07:38.20 | raster | clocks - messages etc. on the covers |
| 07:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | it's utterly stupid to waste an engine for a simple kbd backlight switching that can be done via sw easily |
| 07:38.29 | raster | so.. why not have the led as a pixel on a screen |
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| 07:38.39 | raster | its a degenerate subset of all the other examples |
| 07:38.40 | raster | :) |
| 07:38.45 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: btw you missed my yesterday morning hack: |
| 07:38.51 | mece | so.. gtkmm is built stripped down for maemo it appears. Or am I missing something? |
| 07:39.02 | cehteh | [10:41] <cehteh> sshfs -o nonempty ct@public.pipapo.org:n900 /media/mmc1/DCIM |
| 07:39.02 | cehteh | [10:41] <cehteh> ... aussm fenster fotographier-test |
| 07:39.02 | cehteh | [10:42] <cehteh> http://public.pipapo.org/ |
| 07:39.32 | mece | cehteh, that was impressive :) |
| 07:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you really think I missed that? |
| 07:40.11 | cehteh | maybe no .. at least you didnt responed i think .. |
| 07:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | no, I didn't |
| 07:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | respond |
| 07:40.30 | cehteh | or i was tired |
| 07:41.25 | cehteh | well *that* is something i'll show off someone with an iphone :P |
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| 07:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | actually I wondered if I could spot the town you're living |
| 07:41.49 | cehteh | Karlsruhe |
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| 07:42.31 | cehteh | when you look close you can read "Rathaus West" on the building :P |
| 07:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 07:43.01 | cehteh | and the pic might be even geotagged if suppl.nokia wasnt down |
| 07:43.01 | gomiam | Guest02344: it's no good manner spamming IRC server addresses through queries :P |
| 07:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | errr? |
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| 07:44.38 | gomiam | that user is sending a message to incoming users advertising some IRC network. |
| 07:45.13 | cehteh | worth a kline .. or a kickban .. where is crashanddie when we need him? :P |
| 07:45.14 | mece | remind me again, why doesnä't n900 ship with ogg |
| 07:45.29 | gomiam | mece: because it's hard to pronounce? :D |
| 07:45.31 | cehteh | mece: installable .. devel or testing or whatever |
| 07:45.53 | mece | cehteh, taht was not my question. It's not something that bothers me, I'm just curious |
| 07:46.07 | mece | obviously I have no problems clicking "install ogg support". |
| 07:46.15 | kulve | mece: legal issues |
| 07:46.18 | cehteh | haha |
| 07:46.26 | Shapeshifter | cehteh: uhm. does that sshfs command mount the DCIM folder online in a folder you're serving via a webserver? As in, everytime you make a picture, it shows up there and if people access it they access your n900? |
| 07:46.42 | kulve | mece: will be "fixed" in the Harmattan |
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| 07:46.45 | mece | kulve, but what legal issues? I mean it's gpl afaik. How could there be legal issues? |
| 07:46.58 | anotnac | i think i read harmattan will get ogg support as a default format |
| 07:47.07 | kulve | (l)gpl doesn't mean there couldn't be patent issues |
| 07:47.11 | cehteh | Shapeshifter: other way around it mounts the webserver on my n900 |
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| 07:47.43 | kulve | for mp3 you can just pay somebody to "get rid of" the patent issues, but you can't do the same with ogg/vorbis |
| 07:47.46 | cehteh | but heh what you suggested would be possible too .. just a bit bad for performance |
| 07:47.56 | bobzer_ | and now it's completely turn off |
| 07:48.05 | bobzer_ | so i think it doesnt charge anymore |
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| 07:48.43 | cehteh | in theory i could setup n900.pipapo.org ... tunnel that through vpn on a webserver on the device :) |
| 07:48.53 | cehteh | but uhm .. i really dont want that |
| 07:49.10 | anotnac | bobzer do you have any other phones |
| 07:49.14 | mece | kulve, ok thanks. |
| 07:49.22 | bobzer_ | i one other yes |
| 07:49.29 | bobzer_ | why ? |
| 07:49.34 | anotnac | what kind |
| 07:49.34 | mece | wtf is up with ftp.gnome.org. Is it always slow? |
| 07:49.49 | cehteh | its hosted on a n900 too :) |
| 07:49.58 | bobzer_ | the other phone is a htc s710 and |
| 07:50.00 | mece | possibly. |
| 07:50.03 | bobzer_ | it's lock |
| 07:50.13 | bobzer_ | i can't use my sim card inside |
| 07:51.14 | bobzer_ | anotnac: what are you thinking ? |
| 07:51.31 | anotnac | if you can get some1 with a 5800 to charge your battery it will as normal after that |
| 07:51.35 | mece | gnome is hosted by the academic computer club of Umeå. |
| 07:52.11 | bobzer_ | a ok but it's not the same battery |
| 07:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: either it charged enough so you could start it now, or your host PC cut power to USB |
| 07:52.56 | bobzer_ | i already charge with my computer |
| 07:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | you shouldn't have to resort to alien charging. After all that's not a Neo Freerunner A5 |
| 07:53.06 | bobzer_ | so i don't think it cut the power |
| 07:53.16 | anotnac | they are same batteries bobzer |
| 07:53.16 | mece | bobzer_, don't you have a wall charger? the computer charging takes years. |
| 07:53.28 | bobzer_ | i'm in vacation |
| 07:53.36 | bobzer_ | and thought i neddn't the wall charger |
| 07:53.45 | mece | bobzer_, right. bummer |
| 07:53.51 | bobzer_ | because i have my computer and the cable |
| 07:54.00 | bobzer_ | and i just try to turn on |
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| 07:54.10 | bobzer_ | stay press the button for more than 10sec |
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| 07:54.17 | bobzer_ | and strictly nothing happens |
| 07:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | there are usb wallchargers for 5 bucks in every second gas station |
| 07:54.32 | mece | bobzer_, there is some problems with charging from a computer and some compiuters' powersaving modes. |
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| 07:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | mece: didn't I say exactly that? |
| 07:55.10 | bobzer_ | it's strange |
| 07:55.20 | bobzer_ | thank's guy to try to help |
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| 07:55.22 | mece | DocScrutinizer, it's possible. I haven't been paying attention :) |
| 07:55.24 | MiXu- | If your battery is completely empty, I think that a PC will only charge at 100mA until N900 can boot. |
| 07:55.36 | bobzer_ | i'am really upset and disapointed by this phone |
| 07:55.38 | MiXu- | -> It'll take a long time until there's enough power to boot. |
| 07:55.39 | Veggen | Wasn't there some problem with USB and generic chargers? I.e., something the charger has to conform to according to the spec, but not everyone does? |
| 07:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: exactly |
| 07:55.47 | bobzer_ | and the worst it's i really really need |
| 07:55.56 | MiXu- | bobzer_: Just let it charge for like 15 minutes in peace |
| 07:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | with steady yellow |
| 07:56.19 | bobzer_ | MiXu-: it's what i tried all the day |
| 07:56.33 | MiXu- | The 100mA chargin is a limitation of USB standard |
| 07:56.35 | bobzer_ | no right now it's like dead |
| 07:56.51 | bobzer_ | led off and nothing append if i press the button |
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| 07:57.24 | MiXu- | How long have you had it plugged in without touching it? |
| 07:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: so remove bat, wait 1min, insert and hook up to charger again |
| 07:57.54 | cehteh | is the battery very cold? |
| 07:58.13 | bobzer_ | the battery is cold yes |
| 07:58.14 | cehteh | dunno if that works with lipo .. but making it handwarm helps with other bats |
| 07:58.25 | ali1234 | does n800 kernel have gadgetfs support? |
| 07:58.32 | cehteh | put it in a pocket for a few minutes |
| 07:58.38 | bobzer_ | MiXu-: i let it charge maybe 3 or 4h without do anything |
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| 07:58.54 | bobzer_ | and more but with trying to o some thing |
| 07:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | with steady yellow? |
| 07:59.34 | MiXu- | Ok. Sounds like some hardware problem then. Try what DocScrutinizer suggested. |
| 07:59.36 | bobzer_ | yes i plug again a now it's yellow |
| 07:59.40 | bobzer_ | but not blnking |
| 07:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | so don't touch for 1h |
| 08:00.06 | bobzer_ | ok |
| 08:00.25 | bobzer_ | but i think it will begin to blink soon |
| 08:00.36 | bobzer_ | and rumble and start it self |
| 08:00.40 | bobzer_ | like before |
| 08:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | that's a good sign actually |
| 08:00.49 | bobzer_ | but when it start |
| 08:00.59 | bobzer_ | it stay at the nokia's logo |
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| 08:01.13 | anotnac | once it starts blinking it means its charging and you'll get white logo with charger symbol |
| 08:01.13 | mece | speaking of batteries, I appear to be dangerously hooked on battery coffeed |
| 08:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | that's a system issue then, I'd guess |
| 08:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | not realted to bat |
| 08:01.52 | bobzer_ | i don't know |
| 08:02.41 | MiXu- | mece: It's awesome! |
| 08:02.42 | mece | my friend whos macbook overdrained his battery went to a phone shop and they did an "emergency charge" on the battery. Has worked fine ever since. |
| 08:02.48 | bobzer_ | i found this befoe ask you i think its the same problem : http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/n900_charging_problems/ |
| 08:02.49 | mece | MiXu-, quite. Dangerously so. |
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| 08:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: whatever happens, keep it charging for one hour |
| 08:03.12 | bobzer_ | ok |
| 08:03.33 | mece | is recompiling gtkmm for maemo, because he got tired of the missing propertiy_ variables. |
| 08:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | even better, keep charging until green light |
| 08:03.59 | bobzer_ | i'm right |
| 08:04.08 | bobzer_ | it just rumble and turn on |
| 08:04.14 | bobzer_ | and now it's blinking |
| 08:04.21 | bobzer_ | with the nokia's logo |
| 08:04.33 | anotnac | leave it now for a hour |
| 08:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | so ok, it's charging regularly I guess |
| 08:04.52 | bobzer_ | yes but i know it will turn off soon |
| 08:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | in 2 hours it should be 100% charged |
| 08:05.14 | bobzer_ | yes but this thing i already do |
| 08:05.21 | mece | bobzer_, I think the problem is that it will try to turn itself on with too little battery, draining it again. |
| 08:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | if the yellow blinking stops then that's probably an issue with your PC |
| 08:05.36 | bobzer_ | mece: it's possible |
| 08:05.52 | bobzer_ | DocScrutinizer: that's also possible |
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| 08:05.58 | bobzer_ | but what can i do ?? |
| 08:06.04 | bobzer_ | except depress |
| 08:06.13 | bobzer_ | i already do this |
| 08:06.27 | mece | bobzer_, well as I said, you can go to a phone shop and ask them to emergency charge the battery. (One that sells nokia phones) |
| 08:06.28 | MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: The 2 hour rule only applies to the wall charger |
| 08:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: yep |
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| 08:07.04 | bobzer_ | mece: i'll try tomorrow if i can't fix tonight |
| 08:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | actually via USB host it's more like 3h |
| 08:07.10 | mece | bobzer_, what kind of computer are you using? |
| 08:07.32 | MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: Yes, _if_ the PC configures the USB connection right and gives full power |
| 08:07.54 | MiXu- | With 100mA (unconfigured USB) it'll take 14 hours or so. |
| 08:07.58 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: I suggest you unplug and replug USB right now |
| 08:08.23 | MiXu- | Another USB port in PC might also help |
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| 08:08.33 | bobzer_ | i have a laptop |
| 08:08.34 | bobzer_ | asus |
| 08:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | give it a minute to settle after unplug |
| 08:08.47 | bobzer_ | and you want i unplug now ? |
| 08:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 08:08.57 | bobzer_ | oh the led change |
| 08:09.01 | anotnac | is it still charging blinking |
| 08:09.03 | slackmagic | w00t! just got my n900 out of its box, charging now |
| 08:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | do not press any button on N900 |
| 08:09.05 | bobzer_ | it's still orange |
| 08:09.08 | bobzer_ | but not blinking |
| 08:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: after unplug?? |
| 08:09.26 | bobzer_ | no |
| 08:09.30 | bobzer_ | before |
| 08:09.36 | bobzer_ | i just unplug |
| 08:09.38 | bobzer_ | and now |
| 08:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | wait until it blinks, then unplug, wait for complete off, then plug again |
| 08:09.54 | bobzer_ | the led is blinking |
| 08:10.21 | bobzer_ | i plugged |
| 08:10.29 | tybollt | bobzer_: You are charging off of your laptop? |
| 08:10.36 | bobzer_ | and the led now it's not blinking |
| 08:10.41 | tybollt | bobzer_: You are charging off of your laptop? |
| 08:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | after replug it should charge normally (blinking) and you should be able to boot after a short while (some 30 moin at max) |
| 08:10.52 | bobzer_ | my laptop it's plug on the wall yes |
| 08:11.07 | tybollt | see that is your problem right there son |
| 08:11.09 | bobzer_ | no the led it's not blinking |
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| 08:11.21 | tybollt | connect the phone to a wall socker charger and you should be fine |
| 08:11.26 | tybollt | socket |
| 08:11.29 | anotnac | it will blink soon it needs more juice first |
| 08:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | bobzer_: so wait until it *is* blinking, the do the replugging, then wait another one hour |
| 08:12.03 | bobzer_ | ok i'll try |
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| 08:12.07 | tybollt | I think he is SOL unless he goes for wall socket - really |
| 08:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: we been there |
| 08:12.15 | tybollt | we have |
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| 08:12.26 | mece | "Blinkin! What are you doing?" - "Guessing... I guess no-one's coming" |
| 08:12.33 | bobzer_ | tybollt: i don't have the wallcharger |
| 08:12.45 | tybollt | SOL mate |
| 08:12.54 | bobzer_ | it's not blinking anymore |
| 08:13.13 | cehteh | Stskeeps: whats your battery state now? :) |
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| 08:16.05 | anotnac | bobzer is there a phone shop near you |
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| 08:17.38 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: |
| 08:17.38 | cehteh | PatternExample=42;1;30;Rgb;9d8040014e084f087f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f000000;9d8040007f007f0040ff42000000 |
| 08:17.47 | cehteh | .. isnt that nice for batt low? |
| 08:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? whatever it is, for sure 7f007f007f007f007f007f007f00 is kinda stupid |
| 08:18.50 | cehteh | its not |
| 08:18.54 | cehteh | look closer |
| 08:19.01 | cehteh | 4001 |
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| 08:19.29 | cehteh | you cant otherwise pause with keeping it lit at constat value |
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| 08:19.56 | cehteh | without the R component thats my normal 'on' pattern |
| 08:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | you can, see my recent addition of branch command |
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| 08:20.08 | bobzer_ | anotnac: no i don't have a shop close to me |
| 08:20.22 | cehteh | where? |
| 08:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | wiki |
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| 08:21.41 | anotnac | bobzer you from london there must be 5800 user or shop with usb charger somewhere |
| 08:21.58 | cehteh | ah |
| 08:22.05 | mece | my boss asked me to take a look at joikuboost. Have any of you tried it or perhaps developed it? |
| 08:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-02 08:54:24] <DocScrutinizer> there are usb wallchargers for 5 bucks in every second gas station |
| 08:22.36 | mece | DocScrutinizer, are there really? I've never seen one. |
| 08:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | so s/gas station/supermarket/ |
| 08:23.09 | bobzer_ | anotnac: why london ? |
| 08:23.22 | bobzer_ | anotnac: i'm french and i'm in toronto |
| 08:23.32 | mece | LOL |
| 08:23.34 | mece | close :D |
| 08:23.46 | anotnac | same queen |
| 08:23.49 | anotnac | lol |
| 08:24.32 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well, using this branch command is a bit tricky :) |
| 08:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 08:25.04 | bobzer_ | lol |
| 08:25.15 | tybollt | how can you have a N900 but no wall charger? |
| 08:25.20 | cehteh | i didnt read the datasheet ... at what 'address' does my program start? |
| 08:25.20 | tybollt | The moose ate it? |
| 08:25.21 | t-tan | cehteh: you have some comments about the community kernel? |
| 08:25.33 | cehteh | ah yes you read log? |
| 08:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I'd hope at 0 |
| 08:25.49 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: thats what i meant with complicated |
| 08:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I admit I haven't checked yet |
| 08:26.24 | cehteh | t-tan: btw i seen your comment on compcache too, i'd like to see that .. well in short (you dont need to read backlog) |
| 08:26.46 | t-tan | cehteh: you saw your comments while flicking through the irclog |
| 08:26.52 | cehteh | the yesterday update bricked my device .. donno why, i repartitioned it to ext4, worked well |
| 08:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: reading the 5523.c source would tell you about absolute address in sram of the different engines, *if* it doesn't start at 0 |
| 08:27.01 | bobzer_ | tybollt: i have the wallcharger but not with me |
| 08:27.06 | bobzer_ | i'm in vacation |
| 08:27.26 | cehteh | i wanted to ask you about a) do you have any plan to recover / secondary safe boot |
| 08:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nevertheless rst means load 0->pc so I'm quite sure it's 0 start pragma for each engine's progspace |
| 08:27.48 | cehteh | and b) how to handle new nokia firmwares which will possibly overwrite the kernel |
| 08:28.01 | t-tan | cehteh: that would be the second time someone bricked his device with this kernel. bad. I need to figure out why it happens |
| 08:28.18 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well i think its just some experimentation .. it wont blow up when something is wrong |
| 08:28.25 | t-tan | cehteh: did you have a previous version of my kernel installed, or did you install the broken version maemo11, not maemo12? |
| 08:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | for sure it won't |
| 08:28.49 | cehteh | i installed it a day before .. dunno what version that was |
| 08:28.49 | mece | cd .. |
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| 08:28.53 | mece | damn. sorry |
| 08:29.28 | cehteh | i just wanted to play with ext4 (which is quite faster than ext3 on the device) |
| 08:29.36 | t-tan | cehteh: it is was the temporary version maemo11, bricking was guaranteed. |
| 08:30.06 | cehteh | well, may i suggest that you release some kind of semistable version? |
| 08:30.08 | t-tan | cehteh: the kernel is independent from the nokia kernel. you only need to --reinstall the package if a Nokia kernel overwrites it |
| 08:30.13 | mece | would my N900 still work if I changed MyDocs to ext3 or 4? |
| 08:30.32 | cehteh | i dont have 2 devices one for use and one for development .. bricking it is quite some pita :P |
| 08:30.43 | t-tan | cehteh: maemo11 was a stupid mistake. the other version are stable and tested on my device first |
| 08:30.46 | cehteh | mece: only with some hacks, but yes |
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| 08:31.16 | cehteh | t-tan: well if i wasnt aware of the risk of a foreign kernel i would be very pissed :) |
| 08:31.19 | t-tan | cehteh: the recovery instructions for bricked devices are in the first psot of the TMO thread |
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| 08:31.34 | cehteh | didnt even read it :) |
| 08:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 08:31.46 | cehteh | did a complete reflash and restore |
| 08:32.03 | cehteh | dont even know that such a thread exists :P |
| 08:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | no sane person would even touch tmo |
| 08:32.18 | t-tan | cehteh: there you would read how to reflash only the kernel |
| 08:32.20 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: heise forums are more worse |
| 08:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | I stoped to read those long ago :-P |
| 08:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | for the very reason |
| 08:32.43 | cehteh | t-tan: it was bricked in a way wich didnt boot anymore |
| 08:33.17 | cehteh | t-tan: do you have a link to that thread? |
| 08:33.25 | t-tan | cehteh: it recovers with the flasher-3.5 on your pc |
| 08:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | thought that's quite obvious |
| 08:33.42 | cehteh | well anyways, i am no with the nokia kernel and ext3 |
| 08:33.43 | t-tan | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420 |
| 08:34.14 | cehteh | my 2 other questions are more important .. not only that i fear that it might be brick again |
| 08:34.44 | mece | ./configure |
| 08:35.01 | cehteh | but when the next nokia firmware comes with a new kernel you (me) need some recovery plan .. or some hack preventing the installation of the kernel image from nokia |
| 08:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | duh, reminds me: t-tan could you also increase the kernel log buffer to a sane size so it can hold at least one fuull boot, please? |
| 08:35.18 | mece | damn. I'm sorry. I forget that virtualbox doesn't take focus just by moving the cursor.. |
| 08:35.32 | t-tan | cehteh: I'll add a big fat warning to the package description |
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| 08:35.43 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: already done (64K) |
| 08:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: cool :-D |
| 08:36.15 | t-tan | cehteh: pretty much impossible and probably not a good idea |
| 08:36.19 | cehteh | well that doesnt really solve the issue, this is not to blame you but i am trying to be brainstorming about a proper solution |
| 08:36.49 | cehteh | for any definition of 'proper' :) |
| 08:36.51 | t-tan | the best solution would be to integrate some of my patches and changes |
| 08:36.58 | t-tan | into the Nokia kernel |
| 08:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan++ |
| 08:37.41 | cehteh | well ok i guess we need a big bat and some plane tickets for visiting finland for that |
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| 08:38.23 | cehteh | t-tan: can you store your kernel aside in /home/ (/opt .. whatever) |
| 08:38.32 | cehteh | and have some rescue boot .. |
| 08:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | you could add a repo holding a rev that overrides any next version of nokia kernel |
| 08:38.53 | cehteh | well yes this are all bandaids arount nokias inept crap |
| 08:39.05 | t-tan | cehteh: the kernel is flashed to initfs on device, which is hidden. |
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| 08:39.25 | cehteh | yes i know .. hence keep a copy of it somewhere for recovery |
| 08:39.43 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: I deliberately renamed the kernel so that it doesnt conflict with Nokia kernel and reverting is easy |
| 08:39.55 | cehteh | and not on MyDocs or mmc1 whcih becomes inaccessible when its not FAT :P |
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| 08:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: reverting also easy by disabling the special repo |
| 08:40.25 | cehteh | i wish nokia would provide some way to boot alternative kernels offically |
| 08:40.29 | t-tan | it could keep the image in /boot and not delete it after flashing |
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| 08:40.50 | cehteh | uhm space constraints? |
| 08:40.51 | t-tan | cehteh: IIRC someone tried kexec |
| 08:41.10 | t-tan | for N8x0 but to no avail |
| 08:41.23 | cehteh | well only works as long nokia enabled that on their kernel |
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| 08:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | really? :-( |
| 08:41.46 | johnx | m00f |
| 08:41.49 | t-tan | N900 might be different. you're welcome to try :) |
| 08:41.49 | Stskeeps | morn johnx |
| 08:41.58 | Termana_n810 | cehteh - doesn't the flasher allow you to load alternative kernels? it does for the n8x0 |
| 08:42.18 | cehteh | kontori suggested me to talk with stephan about kernel issues .. i see him in may on lac .. |
| 08:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | I bet Stskeeps should know better |
| 08:42.28 | cehteh | so lets see beer or bat :) |
| 08:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | lac? |
| 08:42.47 | cehteh | linux audio conference |
| 08:42.55 | cehteh | Utrecht |
| 08:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 08:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | I mustn't join that event |
| 08:43.49 | cehteh | heh |
| 08:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | or something bad might happen :-P |
| 08:44.51 | mece | is there any particular reason why glib is built with --fno-exceptions ? |
| 08:44.52 | cehteh | well he is gst developer dunno how much he is involved with the kernel team |
| 08:45.09 | cehteh | emebedded .. haha |
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| 08:45.57 | t-tan | I hope Nokia adopts my quilt patch system. it make it so much easier to selectively en/disable patches |
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| 08:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nah, but I might run into someone responsible for PA |
| 08:46.46 | cehteh | hihi :) ... |
| 08:47.04 | cehteh | isnt that a one-man-show? :) |
| 08:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | or accidentally listen to a talk stating "*ALL* apps have to switch from ALSA to PA native now" |
| 08:47.14 | cehteh | and no there are the jack guys ... |
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| 08:47.42 | cehteh | if you search for somone cursing over PA then you will find plenty there |
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| 08:48.19 | cehteh | .o(i cant remember anyone ever saied somethnig positive about PA ...) |
| 08:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | so I got a better idea, I'll rush in to SuSE HQ 2500m away, and give them a decent beatup |
| 08:49.17 | johnx | cehteh, the people who have PA working are busy listening to music rather than fighting about *nix audio output |
| 08:49.18 | tybollt | puts some nails in a baseball bat and hands it to doc... there you go at them |
| 08:49.38 | Termana_n810 | DocScrutinizer, sounds like a good idea either way |
| 08:49.39 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: where do you live? |
| 08:49.41 | mece | when I want to build with options, is it in configure I should add the options (fex --enable-api-exceptions=no) |
| 08:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: obviously 2500m away from SuSE HQ |
| 08:50.11 | cehteh | heh |
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| 08:50.53 | cehteh | i dont know where they are |
| 08:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | Now Nuernberg |
| 08:51.18 | cehteh | ah ok |
| 08:51.49 | DocScrutinizer | there's been some KDE meeting a week ago, iirc |
| 08:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | would have been an even better moment to go after them - buy one, get 2 ;-P |
| 08:53.20 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:55.17 | cehteh | t-tan: btw do you try to enable as much as possible in your kernels or whats the goal? |
| 08:55.44 | cehteh | nilfs2 is cool, but unsuitable for flash devices yet, it has a very high write load |
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| 09:01.06 | cehteh | ah .. and your kernel (2 days ago) didnt liked stock ext4 you have to disable ^huge_files missing kernel support (which is of course ok for this device) |
| 09:01.18 | t-tan | cehteh: no, I enable only stuff that makes sense. nifls2 was an experiment. will be disabled in the next version |
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| 09:01.48 | cehteh | yeah o reas through the thread seen it now |
| 09:02.03 | t-tan | cehteh: thanks. I should enable huge file support (didnt check that) |
| 09:02.26 | cehteh | i like nilfs a lot .. its potentially (becoming) the most rock stable fs for linux .. but not for flash devices yet |
| 09:02.41 | mece | is there a mirror to library.gnome.org? |
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| 09:03.07 | cehteh | just put a note into the doc that one should add ^huge_files? .. iirc that flag is for really HUGE files |
| 09:03.08 | zaheerm | cehteh, his irc nick is ensonic and he is in #gstreamer a lot |
| 09:03.12 | cehteh | which never happen on this device |
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| 09:03.30 | cehteh | zaheerm: yes i know he was here some days ago |
| 09:03.52 | t-tan | cehteh: unless you connect to a huge RAID via USB/IP :) |
| 09:03.58 | cehteh | haha |
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| 09:04.36 | cehteh | dunno how much it bloats the kernel |
| 09:04.39 | t-tan | for example, a mobile RAID (a truck) |
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| 09:05.19 | bobzer_ | i have to go sleep now so i'll try out to fix my phone tomorrow |
| 09:05.23 | t-tan | it's probably more convenient than to modify the fs |
| 09:05.28 | cehteh | yeah .. makes sense for compatibility .. but you actually never need huge files accessd on the device .. and i doubt that a multiple TB file makes fun when you go over wlan :) |
| 09:05.30 | bobzer_ | thank's guy for tried to help me |
| 09:05.42 | bobzer_ | bye |
| 09:05.48 | mece | bobzer_, I hope you get it fixed. bye. |
| 09:05.53 | johnx | mobile Raid? http://www.overstockdrugstore.com/product_images/y/046500016608.jpg |
| 09:06.01 | bobzer_ | thank's |
| 09:06.35 | Corsac | hmhm, might not be the best time to ask, but is there some us people which could recommend a non-contract data plan for n900? |
| 09:06.35 | cehteh | t-tan: is that stock ext4 or did you added some patches/fixes? |
| 09:06.36 | t-tan | johnx: that's too small :D |
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| 09:06.58 | johnx | Corsac, the $10 t-mo plan works ok |
| 09:07.08 | t-tan | cehteh: stock ext4, do you know any backports for .28? |
| 09:07.12 | johnx | well, it works for me at least |
| 09:07.38 | cehteh | no .. i just cant remember when the 'no-journal' option became reliable |
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| 09:08.34 | Corsac | johnx: how is it called? can I just enter into a store an pay by cash for a sim? |
| 09:08.42 | cehteh | someone should try to get 2.6.32 to n900-land |
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| 09:09.06 | johnx | Corsac, no idea. I started on a plan and am now month-to-month |
| 09:09.07 | t-tan | jebba already tried |
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| 09:09.27 | cehteh | .32 is LTS or? |
| 09:09.32 | johnx | though I think you can just start with month-to-month voice and add the data plan to it via your account page on their website |
| 09:09.42 | cehteh | iirc i read about that someone of the kernel devs wants to maintain it |
| 09:09.52 | Corsac | cehteh: yes |
| 09:10.51 | Corsac | johnx: and tmo has 3.5g for n900? |
| 09:10.58 | johnx | yup |
| 09:11.04 | johnx | well, where they have coverage |
| 09:11.22 | johnx | their coverage map is not as impressive as verizon, for example |
| 09:11.36 | johnx | but where they have good coverage, they don't tend to drop calls (IME) |
| 09:11.36 | t-tan | cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36445 |
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| 09:12.32 | cehteh | I flashed this successfully, but on reboot it appeared to load but then the screen went bad and it seemed to smell. :O I yanked the battery. |
| 09:12.36 | cehteh | eww |
| 09:13.13 | t-tan | AFAIK that was the stock kernel without Nokia patches. not a good idea |
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| 09:14.15 | cehteh | yeah .. i'd thought abut starting with .28 and then incrementally rebasing that on vanilla hiving the nokia patches over |
| 09:14.56 | cehteh | that will be some tough job .. but when we find some group of developers it may very well worth the benefit |
| 09:14.57 | Stskeeps | cehteh: that is a pretty good argument for nokia to push their patches upstream |
| 09:15.22 | cehteh | yet alone get the nokia patches factored out and in a public git would be close to priceless |
| 09:15.27 | Stskeeps | yeah that too |
| 09:15.50 | joejoe | hi, i have made gstreamer plugin and i have problems with it on n900. I am using folowing pipeline, but i can see only the first frame of camera stream. Is there any common workaround for maemo gstreamer plugins which is different to desktop plugins? gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src device="/dev/video0" ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv, width=160 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! video/x-raw-gray ! abr2 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-rgb, width= |
| 09:15.50 | joejoe | 640 ! ximagesink |
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| 09:22.07 | Shapeshifter | cehteh: soo, when you take a picture, the picture gets saved on the webserver directly? |
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| 09:22.41 | cehteh | Shapeshifter: that was only a fun experiment |
| 09:23.08 | Shapeshifter | quite clever actually |
| 09:23.23 | cehteh | i dont plan to have that enabled |
| 09:23.23 | Shapeshifter | does the camera application wait until the write operation is complete or can it queue? |
| 09:23.39 | Shapeshifter | I would neither ;) But it's an interesting hack |
| 09:23.58 | cehteh | fuse/kernel caches to some extent |
| 09:24.07 | Shapeshifter | mhhh |
| 09:24.36 | cehteh | i guess you can do a lot pics without blocking |
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| 09:26.29 | aboyer | joejoe: you should use the v4l2camsrc element on n900 |
| 09:28.29 | aboyer | also, i think you should be using xvimagesink... |
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| 09:38.11 | hrw | morning |
| 09:40.50 | johnx | hey hrw |
| 09:40.55 | johnx | what are you hacking on these days? |
| 09:41.27 | hrw | johnx: bug-image-production with oe.dev, RI #1162 and few other bugs java related |
| 09:42.04 | johnx | java...can't say I envy you (though I know it has its uses) |
| 09:42.57 | johnx | er, what's RI #1162 (google fails me) |
| 09:43.28 | hrw | johnx: Redmine ticket in BugLabs internal tracker |
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| 09:44.35 | johnx | cool. kinda forgot about buglabs in all the meego news |
| 09:44.57 | johnx | I guess they're about to release their next piece of hardware, huh? |
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| 09:49.27 | trupheenix | hi i want to know how i can download maps into Ovi Maps for use to reduce 3g costs? |
| 09:49.44 | trupheenix | also i want to know how i can update ovi maps |
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| 09:50.00 | johnx | 1) use wifi 2) you can't. sorry |
| 09:50.24 | mece | trupheenix, well it's not that bad. here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38872 |
| 09:51.11 | johnx | there's also a flashable emmc image that has map data in it already I believe (or am I confused?) |
| 09:51.26 | trupheenix | mece, i don't have windows |
| 09:51.33 | trupheenix | mece, neither do i have a mac |
| 09:52.01 | johnx | you're comfortable on the command line, yes? |
| 09:52.33 | trupheenix | johnx very comfortable |
| 09:53.03 | johnx | if I recall (pretty fuzzy on this) one of the flashable emmc images on tablets-dev.nokia.com includes country specific maps |
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| 09:53.11 | johnx | could someone confirm that I'm remembering right? |
| 09:54.13 | dneary | Stskeeps, Ping? |
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| 09:54.38 | mece | i have no idea. I just saw that thread. I haven't bothered trying to download any maps. |
| 09:54.42 | johnx | nevermind. this looks a bit easier: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=428531&postcount=20 |
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| 09:55.03 | mece | ah yes. was looking for that one. |
| 09:55.06 | johnx | seems that some people are having success with it at least, though I haven't tried it |
| 09:55.26 | mece | I did something like that on some other phone.. |
| 09:55.32 | johnx | gotta admit that I just switched to using the google maps mobile website ... |
| 09:55.39 | frals | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c |
| 09:55.43 | frals | thats what i used, worked fine |
| 09:56.10 | mece | nice |
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| 10:04.27 | mece | frals, what's the word on fMMS these days. I've been downloading updates but haven't really tested anything lately. |
| 10:04.56 | frals | its pretty and it works (mostly)... i think? |
| 10:04.57 | frals | ;P |
| 10:06.11 | mece | does it automagically connect these days? |
| 10:08.58 | mece | does this ring a bell: "Aah.. the expectation of a coming battle" |
| 10:09.42 | frals | by setting a gconfkey you can make it try that, but its experimental :p |
| 10:10.00 | mece | frals, ok, I'll pass for now. |
| 10:10.57 | hrw | I fetched maps with nokia map loader. but I have winxp on other machine |
| 10:11.08 | hrw | johnx: yes, bug 2.0 will be omap3 based |
| 10:11.09 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2 Static linking under SDK-PC does not work |
| 10:12.24 | johnx | hrw, yeah, it looks really neat for some rapid prototyping projects. I'll definitely check back when they have the OMAP3 version out |
| 10:13.17 | MiXu- | About deb package version naming conventions: Let's say I have an application xyz, version 0.1 I would name the package xyz_0.1-1_armel.deb Then I realize I did something wrong and fix it -> The new package becomes xyz_0.1-2_armel.deb - Is this correct? |
| 10:13.40 | MiXu- | Or should there be "maemo" also in the package name? |
| 10:14.28 | oly | hi, i have create a widget for my n900 that displays images from xkcd the only problem is the size of some of the image is there a way to stop the desktop scrolling when inside the widgets area ? |
| 10:14.56 | lindi- | MiXu-: binary package would be just "xyz", you are confusing with filename now? |
| 10:15.23 | MiXu- | Possibly yes :) |
| 10:15.45 | MiXu- | But what I'm after is how the filename should be formed |
| 10:16.07 | lindi- | MiXu-: binary-package-name_versionnumber_architecture.deb |
| 10:16.34 | lindi- | MiXu-: so your problem is really what kind of version numbering scheme your are going to use |
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| 10:17.37 | MiXu- | Oh, ok so there isn't a specific unified scheme in Maemo? |
| 10:17.45 | lindi- | MiXu-: i don't know |
| 10:17.58 | MiXu- | Alright. I think that's all I need to know :) |
| 10:18.12 | lindi- | MiXu-: but version numbers should be in increasing order |
| 10:18.19 | lindi- | MiXu-: just keep that in mind |
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| 10:18.45 | MiXu- | Of course :D |
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| 10:20.24 | lindi- | MiXu-: it's not so easy. some people use for example "svn1232" as a version number to mean that it is svn revision 1232. just think what happens when they want to release a "1.0" version without specifying svn anywhere |
| 10:20.50 | lindi- | MiXu-: or what happens when the upstream switches to git :) |
| 10:21.29 | Corsac | one can use ~ in version numbers |
| 10:21.32 | MiXu- | lindi-: Yeah, I'm planning on using 0.1, 0.1.1, 0.2, etc. |
| 10:21.37 | Corsac | though I'm not sure dpkg in maemo supports it :/ |
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| 10:23.42 | lindi- | MiXu-: that's pretty clear yes. the most obscure version number i have seen is this 1:8.11+urwcyr1.0.7~pre44-4 |
| 10:24.06 | Shapeshifter | http://stuff.moritzg.ch/gprsdataresetter Here's a simple script I wrote that resets the gprs data counter. It _should_ set the "last reset date" but for some reason it shows up as "Never" in the settings, if I use this script. Any clues why? If I compare 'gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS' before and after using my script or the "reset" button in the settings, I don't see any difference. The gprs_reset_time I ... |
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| 10:24.12 | Shapeshifter | ... set is valid |
| 10:24.21 | MiXu- | lindi-: Haha :D |
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| 10:32.19 | trupheenix | how do i fix the memory? right now it's read only |
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| 10:32.34 | johnx | trupheenix, N900 or N8x0? |
| 10:32.52 | trupheenix | johnx N900 |
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| 10:34.27 | johnx | interesting. actually I don't know how to have it run a "repair" (or in unix terminology "fsck") from inside the GUI |
| 10:34.57 | cehteh | what filesystem is reaonly the MyDocs ? |
| 10:35.19 | trupheenix | cehteh hmmm |
| 10:35.21 | trupheenix | yea |
| 10:35.34 | trupheenix | cehteh, i downloaded the maps |
| 10:35.46 | trupheenix | now i want to write them onto the Cities/diskcache directory |
| 10:36.04 | cehteh | you have usb connected? |
| 10:36.32 | trupheenix | cehteh, usb connected and i chose mass storage mode |
| 10:36.45 | cehteh | from a windows pc? |
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| 10:39.04 | trupheenix | cehteh, no. debian lenny |
| 10:39.14 | trupheenix | cehteh, no windows |
| 10:39.23 | trupheenix | cehteh, i don't own a copy of windows |
| 10:39.31 | cehteh | heh ok the better |
| 10:39.43 | cehteh | if windows i would be clueless too :P |
| 10:39.54 | Shapeshifter | mhh does someone know a very quick guide for packaging a small python app? It's not really a module (well in python I guess they're all called modules) but it can't be really reused for anything. It's standalone. It's just two files, and I want to make a package. I made a package for a gtk/C app before which I found a nice howto for in the wiki but for python I'm a bit clueless |
| 10:40.14 | cehteh | well you can unmount it on the host computer and run fsck over the usb interface |
| 10:41.35 | cehteh | fsck /dev/sdb1 (or whatever it is .. maybe you need some extra option, see man fsck.msdos) |
| 10:41.55 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok |
| 10:42.01 | trupheenix | cehteh, after i run fsck what happens? |
| 10:42.10 | cehteh | if you have important data on it i suggest a backup |
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| 10:43.07 | cehteh | depends .. on options, moon phase and whatever .. usually it reports if the filesystem is ok and with the proper option it may correct the filesystem when it was damaged |
| 10:43.15 | trupheenix | ok |
| 10:43.19 | cehteh | after that you should be able to mount it readwrite |
| 10:43.30 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok |
| 10:44.03 | cehteh | disclaimer: i recommend a backup, or at least dont blame me when you loose all your data ;P |
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| 10:44.20 | crashanddie | loose? |
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| 10:44.54 | trupheenix | cehteh, there is no data on that volume anyway :) |
| 10:44.58 | johnx | crashanddie, fscking a filesystem can cause data that is tenuously attached to fall off |
| 10:45.02 | trupheenix | cehteh, i just got it and wasn't able to use it since i got it |
| 10:45.13 | crashanddie | johnx: i see |
| 10:45.32 | cehteh | trupheenix: new device? |
| 10:45.57 | cehteh | sounds fishy when the filesystem is damaged then ... |
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| 10:47.15 | trupheenix | cehteh, well ! it's from Nokia. they gave it to me. so i think they might have checked it and given it to me? |
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| 10:47.49 | cehteh | heh dunno |
| 10:51.07 | cehteh | http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N900-TV-mobile-phone-quadband_W0QQitemZ110498867792QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item19ba3eea50 |
| 10:51.21 | cehteh | woot .. fake |
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| 10:53.40 | trupheenix | cehteh, hmmm ok i put a pastebin of my fsck out put |
| 10:54.00 | hrw | cehteh: nice fake |
| 10:54.09 | trupheenix | cehteh, http://pastebin.com/DYRtmYAd |
| 10:54.32 | trupheenix | cehteh, i ran fsck and asked it to correct |
| 10:54.38 | trupheenix | cehteh, but i still get same error |
| 10:54.51 | cehteh | sdb1 ! |
| 10:55.17 | cehteh | or .. lemme check how the device is exported |
| 10:55.28 | trupheenix | i did fdisk -l |
| 10:55.35 | trupheenix | and it listed the N900 as sdb |
| 10:55.42 | trupheenix | and my sd card as sdc |
| 10:55.46 | cehteh | eh no better not .. i reformated to ext3 .. might not like usb storage mode |
| 10:56.02 | cehteh | no sdb1 partition? |
| 10:56.17 | cehteh | well maybe ok .. i dont know |
| 10:57.16 | cehteh | well if it is a new phone you can flash the emmc image and it should be virgin after that |
| 10:58.24 | nid0 | tbh the funniest part of that ebay fake isnt that it's fake, its that theyve actually taken pictures of it with that ludicrously poorly applied screen protector |
| 10:58.54 | cehteh | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware follow the flashing eMMC instructions |
| 10:59.23 | cehteh | but well that erases any customization |
| 10:59.50 | trupheenix | cehteh, basically i get this read only memory thing and it says i need to back up the memory |
| 10:59.53 | cehteh | nid0: maybe thats a protection foil from packaging |
| 11:00.14 | trupheenix | nid0, i agree. the N900 screen protector was of a much better material |
| 11:00.16 | cehteh | trupheenix: well i dont really know what happend and how it became readonly |
| 11:00.31 | trupheenix | cehteh :) |
| 11:00.32 | nid0 | its more the way there are bubbles *all over* the screen under it |
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| 11:01.13 | trupheenix | cehteh, funny i stopped getting that error now. looks like fsck worked. :) |
| 11:01.20 | trupheenix | cehteh, but i am still unable to write :( |
| 11:02.02 | cehteh | how do you mount it? |
| 11:02.18 | cehteh | and what does dmesg and mount say? |
| 11:03.57 | trupheenix | cehteh, i just connect the usb cable. choose mass storage mode and then i mount it from nautilius. |
| 11:03.57 | cehteh | yes become root and type dmesg |
| 11:03.58 | trupheenix | cehteh, basically now i'm getting permissions errors! |
| 11:04.26 | cehteh | huh .. fat has no permissions :P |
| 11:04.26 | trupheenix | cehteh FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb) |
| 11:04.47 | cehteh | you unmounted before you ran fsck? |
| 11:04.48 | trupheenix | cehteh fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
| 11:04.58 | trupheenix | cehteh yea i did unmount |
| 11:05.09 | cehteh | if its a new device i would just flash the emmc |
| 11:05.16 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok |
| 11:05.21 | cehteh | but you may try fsck -a also .. |
| 11:05.27 | Veggen | fikse problemet i A-test før jeg fikser bug, eller fikse scriptet først? |
| 11:05.43 | cehteh | but that may leave some things missing in case the filesystem was corrupted |
| 11:05.44 | Veggen | Hmmf. Fikse problemet i a-test fordrer egentlig et script, ikke faen om jeg gjør det der manuelt. |
| 11:06.16 | cehteh | Veggen: now in chinese please :) |
| 11:06.35 | Veggen | det er satt properties ca. 300 steder, som hver krever en del museklikke for å endre manuelt.... |
| 11:07.21 | Veggen | egentlig skulle det vært straffarbeid for han som laget bugen ;P (men han er på vinterferie, og så lenge kan vi ikke vente) |
| 11:07.28 | trupheenix | cehteh ok |
| 11:07.33 | trupheenix | cehteh, lets try fsck -a |
| 11:07.41 | Veggen | eek! wrong channel :) |
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| 11:08.15 | Veggen | Sorry :) Just frustrating over a bug in a script, that has set a property on around 300 WebSphere application server instances automatically ;P |
| 11:08.26 | cehteh | trupheenix: the problem is that after a fsck -a you might not know what gets lost, the geniue emmc doesnt contain much, but still :) |
| 11:09.09 | trupheenix | cehteh actually before nokia gave the phone to me they did reload the firmware. so i guess that's where some slip up happened. |
| 11:09.10 | trupheenix | :) |
| 11:09.22 | trupheenix | cehteh, anyways i'll fix it can't be a real problem |
| 11:09.22 | cehteh | possibly |
| 11:09.27 | trupheenix | cehteh, it's VFAT |
| 11:09.36 | cehteh | yeah |
| 11:09.39 | trupheenix | cehteh, can i make it ext3/2? i hate vfat |
| 11:09.48 | cehteh | i made mine ext3 |
| 11:10.07 | cehteh | but its not as easy .. you have fo fix certain bits |
| 11:10.26 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok i have experience loading oses onto sd cards. i don't know how one could do it on N900. |
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| 11:10.39 | cehteh | the bootup expects fat filesystems |
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| 11:11.11 | cehteh | there are different instrcutions about reformatting .. i did my own way :P |
| 11:11.15 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok |
| 11:11.22 | ab | RST38h, will you attend the FRUCT conf? |
| 11:11.23 | trupheenix | cehteh, any benefit in using ext3? |
| 11:11.48 | cehteh | symlinks .. stability.. support for sparse files |
| 11:12.11 | cehteh | i tried ext4 too .. wich is much faster but that requires a custom kernel |
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| 11:12.38 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok |
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| 11:14.00 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: still no news from the seller :( |
| 11:14.34 | trupheenix | cehteh, i would like to convert it to ext3. FAT is outdated. |
| 11:14.48 | trupheenix | cehteh, does the N900 use a hard disk inside or is it flash based storage? |
| 11:14.55 | gouverneur | hoi cehteh |
| 11:15.30 | rzr | trupheenix: it use tapes |
| 11:16.00 | trupheenix | rzr, funny very funny :P i used to have a tape based computer when was a kid. |
| 11:16.56 | rzr | i did to |
| 11:17.28 | cehteh | hi gouverneur |
| 11:17.42 | cehteh | trupheenix: flash |
| 11:18.21 | trupheenix | cehteh, hmmm so ext3 isn't exactly good for flash. it reduces the lifetime of it. |
| 11:18.49 | gouverneur | trupheenix: the flash got its own business running regarding its usage |
| 11:19.06 | trupheenix | gouverneur, hmmm own business? |
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| 11:19.59 | nid0 | by the time you can realistically "reduce the lifetime" of a modern flash chip to 0 it and the n900 will long-since have belonged in a museum, tbh |
| 11:20.01 | gouverneur | trupheenix: read somewhere that we have a quiet good write intelligence with the mmc controlers |
| 11:20.29 | cehteh | trupheenix: should make no problems |
| 11:20.39 | cehteh | just to be sure i tweaked some parameters |
| 11:21.00 | trupheenix | cehteh, ah... :) smart. i do the same when use SD cards with ext3. |
| 11:21.07 | gouverneur | nid0: well with a bug you could kill some of it but I think user will interact before 27GB are written 1E10 times |
| 11:21.07 | cehteh | but considering how slow the flash is, it would prolly take years of contingous writes to wear it out :P |
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| 11:21.31 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok |
| 11:21.33 | cehteh | laptop_mode = 600 and filesystem commit interval 600 too here |
| 11:22.00 | cehteh | gouverneur: wall dont overestimate mmc/sd controlers .. advanced ssds are quite good |
| 11:22.17 | lovelyboy | anyone get idea how to use opencv in scratchbox? :) |
| 11:22.25 | cehteh | but the emmc already degrades in speed very much after quite basic usage |
| 11:22.49 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok. |
| 11:22.51 | nid0 | in other words its a controller without trim support |
| 11:22.56 | nid0 | not terribly suprising |
| 11:22.59 | trupheenix | cehteh, that's bad considering its so expensive |
| 11:23.06 | gouverneur | cehteh: recognized it... I'm down to 3MB/s |
| 11:25.57 | cehteh | nid0: trim is way overrated |
| 11:26.10 | cehteh | and only the most expensive and modern controlers support it anyways |
| 11:26.24 | cehteh | you'll never find it in sd and its not really necessary |
| 11:26.31 | nid0 | trim works much better than a lot of people give it credit for |
| 11:27.27 | nid0 | considering most people using a device like an n900 will typically just load it up with media then never carry out any big delete/overwrites though I can fully understand nokia not using a trim-capable controller |
| 11:27.51 | red | I can't |
| 11:28.06 | red | They can't just leave something like that out cause only 10% of people would find it useful. |
| 11:28.45 | nid0 | of course they can, if there doesnt happen to be a suitable ssd at the right price and size that actually has trim support, (and id imagine there arent many) then it's tough either way |
| 11:29.12 | nid0 | and by your logic the phone should do literally everything, and end up costing a billion pounds, because *someone* would find some expensive new feature useful |
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| 11:29.47 | nid0 | i'm rather disappointed mine doesnt have a coffee machine built in, clearly it should have one, even if only 10% of people would use it? |
| 11:31.21 | red | Eh eh, aren't you being a smartass now? I'm just saying since they gave us a lot of space on the device, meaning it's a good device to have podcasts and stuff downloaded to, there will be alot of writing, deleting and overwriting happening, and they overlooked that totally. |
| 11:31.44 | red | But sure, for retards buying the phone to be hip and never installing anything there it's good that it costs 50 bucks less. |
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| 11:32.49 | trupheenix | cehteh, what am i looking to download? vanilla emmc content or the os images? |
| 11:33.02 | red | Just met a guy on the weekend with N900 and asked if I could have a look, he didn't have _1_ app installed from anywhere and he said that he doesn't need those. I was left wondering why he even bought it, guessing to show off :p |
| 11:33.20 | red | Terribad device to use as a phone / sms device only. |
| 11:33.24 | nid0 | well, for the vast majority of usage cases, which is what nokia have to aim the cost point at, the mmc will get written to in sizeable quanity once or twice ever, most likely. besides, this is a device for which the hardware was decided a good year ago if not longer, you could count the number of controllers with trim support back then on a leper's left hand |
| 11:33.39 | hrw | red: phone/sms/email/web/im you mean rather |
| 11:33.44 | cehteh | trupheenix: emmc |
| 11:33.54 | hrw | red: n900 with extra apps is still usable device |
| 11:33.57 | hrw | without |
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| 11:34.18 | red | hrw: he had default desktops etc, it looked like it haven't gotten customized at all |
| 11:34.19 | cehteh | red: its a working phone and a camera |
| 11:34.33 | hrw | red: and? |
| 11:34.34 | nid0 | it's a damned expensive one if thats all you want to use it for though |
| 11:35.00 | red | guy could buy a cheaper phone to do exactly the same things shitloads faster minus the camera :) |
| 11:35.03 | hrw | red: I knew few really good hackers with symbian phones which still have default wallpaper |
| 11:35.16 | nid0 | my mum's £60 samsung piece of crap has a working phone and camera too, and the camera aint far short of the one in my n900 in terms of quality |
| 11:35.22 | hrw | red: did you told it him? |
| 11:35.36 | red | no, not my way of behaving :P |
| 11:35.38 | trupheenix | cehteh, what are the country specific os images for? |
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| 11:35.47 | hrw | 50⬠phones have better front cameras then n900 |
| 11:35.55 | nid0 | trupheenix, shafting people in the uk |
| 11:35.56 | red | I did ask why thought, but he didn't have any cohesive answer |
| 11:35.59 | hrw | red: so do not complain so much about it here ;D |
| 11:36.07 | red | the only place i can! :D |
| 11:36.16 | red | it's hard to explain the guy, you needed to have seen him |
| 11:36.19 | trupheenix | nid0, huh? |
| 11:36.24 | red | but it made me wonder how many others like him there might be |
| 11:36.38 | nid0 | I think it goes a lot the other way as well though |
| 11:36.41 | red | you know, the corporate type who has no clue what their device is cabable of (and not knowhing how to use it) |
| 11:37.02 | cehteh | trupheenix: the device as different memory sections |
| 11:37.13 | trupheenix | cehteh, ok |
| 11:37.22 | trupheenix | cehteh, so i don't need to reload the os. just the emmc |
| 11:37.29 | nid0 | mate of mine's had an iphone then an iphone 3gs for the past several years, picked himself up an n900 in november and the first thing he did was reflash it to global, add in testing and devel, and start having fun trying out all the devel apps for it |
| 11:37.35 | cehteh | emmc is the 32GB user memory (and some other stuff) and then it has 256MB system NAND flash |
| 11:37.40 | cehteh | that are the other images for |
| 11:37.43 | red | nid0: the specs were decided a long time ago yeah, and i hope it's the reason for the thing we talked about aswell. hoping later devices will have it :) |
| 11:37.50 | cehteh | if you bricked the device you flash those |
| 11:38.10 | trupheenix | cehteh ok |
| 11:38.25 | cehteh | you could flash the approbiate os image to to get a virgin device .. but likely no need |
| 11:38.25 | nid0 | hell, the n900's kernel might not even support trim anyway even if the controller did, any clue what kernel version's actually in use? |
| 11:38.26 | trupheenix | cehteh, i bricked lot of openmoko phones and managed to revive them. |
| 11:38.32 | nid0 | my phone's behind me, cba turning round |
| 11:38.34 | red | no idea |
| 11:38.56 | red | mine is in my suit pocket waiting to be shown off at a bar ;) |
| 11:39.34 | trupheenix | cehteh i think i will load the latest global one |
| 11:40.09 | nid0 | ah, 2.6.28 |
| 11:40.15 | nid0 | so no trim support in the os anyway |
| 11:40.31 | cehteh | show me a SD card which supports trim ... |
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| 11:44.33 | trupheenix | cehteh, why do they want me to have a fully charged battery for flashing emmc? :( |
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| 11:46.18 | pablo2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.18 | tybollt | hmm |
| 11:46.26 | tybollt | when is PR1.2 due again? |
| 11:46.43 | MiXu- | I don't think there's a date |
| 11:46.46 | Stskeeps | next time britney spears is on tour and it's a lunar eclipse |
| 11:46.54 | MiXu- | _at the same time_ |
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| 11:49.13 | tybollt | IT WAS A RETHORICAL QUESTION FER CRYING OUT LOUD |
| 11:49.15 | tybollt | ;) |
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| 11:50.28 | zaheerm | if you listen to the crap threads, it's when ovi maps with navigation is ready, skype video calling is ready, flash 10.1 for maemo is ready.... |
| 11:50.44 | zaheerm | :) |
| 11:50.49 | tybollt | hehe |
| 11:51.13 | zaheerm | oh and not to forget full portrait mode |
| 11:51.59 | fabinader_ | Hi, I'm testing my application which interacts with Maemo components via somne specific D-Bus interfaces, and in order to debug it within Scratchbox I would need to emulate some of these Maemo component's D-Bus interfaces, i.e. having "fake" implementations of these just for the purpose of allowing me to test my application... Does anybody knows if there is already some application that can create "fake", static D-Bus method imp |
| 11:52.08 | Myrtti | you got cut off |
| 11:52.11 | Myrtti | method imp |
| 11:52.21 | AntiXpucT | is there any Pidgin users? |
| 11:53.12 | trupheenix | cehteh, is it advisable to try out the PR versions of the OS? or should i just stick with the second release? |
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| 11:53.31 | tybollt | some TMO-thread _do_ have a nice point however... |
| 11:53.57 | tybollt | as soon as geteth I my 1.2 I will come crying for 1.3... :-) |
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| 11:54.38 | cehteh | trupheenix: PR1.1.1 is the actual and the one you should use |
| 11:54.44 | SpeedEvil | AntiXpucT: I tried pidgin beirfly on device. I found xchat worked better for me. |
| 11:54.47 | trupheenix | cehteh ok |
| 11:54.51 | cehteh | either the one for your region or the global one |
| 11:55.21 | trupheenix | cehteh will get that also. i think they tried updating my device but left it halfway :) |
| 11:55.33 | AntiXpucT | SpeedEvil, unfortunately, xchat don't working with jabber ;( |
| 11:56.07 | AntiXpucT | and i've question about jabber support in pidgin ;) |
| 11:57.02 | mece | how does one destroy a gtk::pixmap? |
| 11:57.42 | arachnist | by remove gtk altogether |
| 11:57.46 | arachnist | runs ;) |
| 11:58.27 | mece | arachnist, lol. I've had similar answers to all my questions regarding gtk so far :P |
| 11:59.21 | arachnist | mece: well, many people consider gtk as the inferior toolkit |
| 11:59.49 | mece | well I didn't write this, so I'm stuck. |
| 12:02.03 | zaheerm | mece, unref it |
| 12:02.12 | zaheerm | mece, what language you using? |
| 12:02.45 | Corsac | Jaffa: hmhm, about the ovi maps static downloads, do you know if the files are up to dates? |
| 12:02.52 | Corsac | (they are timestamped apr 2009) |
| 12:02.55 | zaheerm | if c: gtk_object_unref (pixmap); |
| 12:02.58 | mece | c++ |
| 12:03.00 | mece | gdk_object_unref() |
| 12:03.05 | mece | right, thanks |
| 12:03.21 | zaheerm | mece, are you usng gtkmm? |
| 12:03.35 | mece | zaheerm, yes.. unfortunately |
| 12:03.54 | zaheerm | mece, ok hold a sec |
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| 12:04.25 | mece | zaheerm, and, library.gnome.org is down, which doesn't help. |
| 12:05.15 | zaheerm | yes i know |
| 12:05.27 | zaheerm | i told them in #gnome-hackers that it is down |
| 12:05.34 | mece | good. |
| 12:06.05 | mece | zaheerm, anyway there's a pixmap.clear() that doesn't work in the maemo build, so I'm trying to work around that. |
| 12:06.19 | Jaffa | Corsac: i.e. as up-to-date as if Ovi downloaded them or as up-to-date as reality? |
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| 12:06.38 | Corsac | Jaffa: the first |
| 12:06.51 | Corsac | Jaffa: that is, are they the most recent available from nokia :) |
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| 12:12.47 | ptl | quick question, how do I set the phone application to auto-change orientation? It is not changing when I turn it. |
| 12:12.59 | ptl | (of the N900) |
| 12:13.37 | tybollt | ptl: the top bar that says "Phone" |
| 12:13.40 | tybollt | tap it |
| 12:13.45 | tybollt | then tap "turning control" |
| 12:13.55 | crashanddie | djeezus I hate it when ebayers don't say if they've sent the item or not |
| 12:14.25 | tybollt | I skip ebay - fair and simple |
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| 12:15.24 | hrw | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mdbus2/2.0.0-3/ - anyone? |
| 12:15.57 | Jaffa | Corsac: No idea, I'm afraid |
| 12:16.16 | gouverneur | trupheenix: it is adviseable to havve a full battery because powermanagement wont work while flashing and you wont get any charge from usb, or you will drain it faster as it is charging... |
| 12:18.05 | trupheenix | gouverneur, oh this happened to me once two days back. i thought i killed the phone. |
| 12:18.22 | trupheenix | cehteh, how to make the emmc to ext3? |
| 12:18.34 | tybollt | I' |
| 12:18.53 | gouverneur | trupheenix: it wont charge the batt after you killed it while flashing, if flashing wasnt finished just before it died |
| 12:18.57 | tybollt | I'd say... if you don't know how to make your emmc EXT3, you probably want to stay away from it :) |
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| 12:19.40 | gouverneur | trupheenix: u need to get another phone or external charger |
| 12:19.52 | gouverneur | to recharge the batt and start again |
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| 12:20.11 | trupheenix | gouverneur, i face the same problem with OpenMoko :) so i used Nokia batteries |
| 12:20.12 | gouverneur | tybollt: true |
| 12:20.24 | trupheenix | gouverneur, but in this case i don't have a spare battery :D |
| 12:20.41 | trupheenix | gouverneur, ah i do have a spare Xpress Music 5800 phone. could use that |
| 12:20.56 | ptl | tybollt: thanks, that was it, I was lookign at system setting |
| 12:20.59 | ptl | *system settings |
| 12:21.17 | cehteh | trupheenix: i bbl |
| 12:21.21 | gouverneur | trupheenix: what is 'your' benefit from ext3? as you are not able to do it without guidance I expect that you dont need it |
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| 12:22.10 | trupheenix | gouverneur, hmmmm.... i'll figure it out anyway.... |
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| 12:22.32 | Khertan | Hello everyone ! |
| 12:22.38 | tybollt | Hello Dr Nick! |
| 12:22.39 | SpeedEvil | Hello. |
| 12:22.44 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:23.00 | tybollt | (granted, Dr Nick says "everybody") |
| 12:23.18 | Khertan | héhé :) |
| 12:23.43 | SpeedEvil | sighs, and wishes scales diddn't lie. |
| 12:23.48 | Khertan | it s change ... depends of mood :) |
| 12:24.05 | trupheenix | 6 minutes before i flash my N900 |
| 12:24.09 | trupheenix | i have one more q |
| 12:24.09 | Khertan | ? |
| 12:24.12 | madduck | what's up with nokia claiming on page 14 of the n900 manual that username and password may be sent to nokia during email setup? |
| 12:24.20 | Khertan | PR1.2 available? |
| 12:24.41 | trupheenix | my call register call times don't match with the system time. has anyone faced this? |
| 12:25.07 | trupheenix | it's like the calls i made took place in a different time zone than my system time zone. |
| 12:25.10 | X-Fade | madduck: Probably if you use some kind of push email through nokia? |
| 12:25.11 | N900evil | trupheenix, how not? Integer hours off? |
| 12:25.24 | Corsac | Jaffa: ok, thanks :) |
| 12:25.38 | Khertan | Does there is a way to understand on device why an icon for an apps isn't show on the launcher ... ? (no trace of logs in /var/log/) |
| 12:25.49 | trupheenix | N900evil, hmmm no it's few time zones behind. i'm GMT +5:30 and the call register shows me call time as UTC. |
| 12:26.29 | Khertan | No more "more" application menu in PR1.2 |
| 12:26.30 | Khertan | huhu |
| 12:26.37 | madduck | X-Fade: i wasn't aware nokia offered that or that the email client supports that |
| 12:26.51 | gouverneur | Khertan: is 1.2 out? |
| 12:27.07 | Khertan | gouverneur: nope ... |
| 12:28.12 | nid0 | madduck its probably more related to nokia messaging |
| 12:28.15 | Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 <- look the last comment |
| 12:28.16 | povbot | Bug 5343: "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling |
| 12:28.29 | madduck | nid0: it's *scary* |
| 12:28.30 | nid0 | as that requires your external email accounts' usernames and passwords be provided to nokia |
| 12:28.37 | madduck | also, because there seems to be no detailed info about it |
| 12:28.53 | nid0 | well, whole point of nokia messaging is you give them your user/password and their system fetches the mail for you from your various different accts |
| 12:29.01 | nid0 | and displays it to you through your single nokia messaging acct |
| 12:29.26 | madduck | nid0: then it should say all that instead of "may give out your credentials" |
| 12:29.27 | Stskeeps | and does push email, i think |
| 12:29.47 | nid0 | "give out your credentials"? |
| 12:29.58 | madduck | push email is nothing other than IMAP, potentially combined with some SMS triggering. |
| 12:30.24 | gouverneur | madduck: SMS triggering? |
| 12:30.55 | SpeedEvil | SMS triggering may be expensive in some countries |
| 12:31.02 | madduck | gouverneur: blackberry does that afaict, it triggers the IMAP client with a SMS |
| 12:31.28 | madduck | nid0: see page 14. it doesn't tell me that my credentials won't be transmitted if I just set up normal IMAP |
| 12:31.41 | SpeedEvil | Submit a big |
| 12:31.42 | SpeedEvil | bug |
| 12:31.51 | SpeedEvil | that is a very valid concern IMO |
| 12:32.01 | nid0 | no, rather than providing info on the hundreds of different types of network-assisted accounts, it just says the details may be sent |
| 12:32.25 | Khertan | Does there is a way to understand on device why an icon for an apps isn't show on the launcher ... ? (no trace of logs in /var/log/) |
| 12:32.28 | SpeedEvil | And that is a bug. |
| 12:32.32 | nid0 | basically, you add an email account to nokia messaging via your phone, your account's login details are sent to nokia. |
| 12:32.36 | mece | zaheerm, ok I'm not trying to destroy it, but to remove everything from it.. |
| 12:32.37 | SpeedEvil | Khertan: have you rebooted? |
| 12:32.42 | nid0 | I dont see the complication, nokia messaging cant work any other way |
| 12:32.50 | Khertan | SpeedEvil: yes of course :) |
| 12:32.57 | SpeedEvil | nid0: it doesn't specify only nokia messaging |
| 12:33.00 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 12:33.21 | Khertan | SpeedEvil: but as it s the same type of icon than pygtkeditor ... i don't understand why it didn't work for vectormine |
| 12:33.33 | SpeedEvil | Khertan: same size? |
| 12:33.34 | Khertan | the .desktop seems ok too |
| 12:33.35 | zaheerm | mece, i don't think you can do that |
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| 12:33.44 | Khertan | SpeedEvil: i ve try with different size |
| 12:33.48 | nid0 | well to me, network-assisted mail setup = nokia messaging |
| 12:33.49 | Khertan | SpeedEvil: but i ll recheck |
| 12:33.57 | nid0 | simply adding an imap account isnt a network-assisted setup |
| 12:34.02 | zaheerm | mece, why justremove data from it? |
| 12:34.03 | mece | zaheerm, hmm.. perhaps create a new empty one to replace the old one? |
| 12:34.03 | nid0 | its just manually adding the account |
| 12:34.17 | mece | zaheerm, I guess to hide it or something. |
| 12:34.30 | mece | zaheerm, to be able to draw new stuff to it later |
| 12:34.33 | Corsac | Jaffa: I guess someone with a windows or mac stuff should be able to trace urls :) |
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| 12:34.59 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 12:35.11 | Khertan | SpeedEvil: pygtkeditor's icon is 128x132 ... while vectormine is 128x128 |
| 12:35.16 | Stskeeps | danish media article about "Windows Mobile phones will not be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7" |
| 12:35.55 | SpeedEvil | danish media article. King still sitting in sea. |
| 12:36.27 | tybollt | ? |
| 12:36.43 | tybollt | Speedy: Sorry mate, it's Direct Memory Access ;) |
| 12:37.03 | tybollt | is making no sense at all today |
| 12:37.10 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut_the_Great#Ruler_of_the_waves |
| 12:37.59 | zaheerm | mece, delete pixmap; pixmap = new Gtk::Pixmap(); |
| 12:38.14 | gouverneur | madduck: thats blackberry... |
| 12:38.18 | mece | zaheerm, yeah, that's exactly what I'm working on. |
| 12:38.19 | tybollt | Stskeeps: can you link that article please |
| 12:38.21 | zaheerm | mece, and then set the new pixmap |
| 12:38.24 | mece | let's see if it helps. |
| 12:39.03 | Stskeeps | http://ekstrabladet.dk/kup/elektronik/mobil/article1307670.ece |
| 12:39.21 | tybollt | takk |
| 12:39.55 | zaheerm | mece, library.gnome.org is up again btw |
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| 12:45.30 | mece | zaheerm, finally. It's been down since last night |
| 12:45.55 | Khertan | The QT migration problem on PR1.2 make me think that gtk is far better .... maybe someone can explain me in few word why it s necessary to break ABI here ? |
| 12:46.05 | mece | zaheerm, I added the magic of // to the code to solve the problem. I'll attack the problem if I ever get this thing running |
| 12:46.21 | X-Fade | Khertan: To be compatible with Harmattan ;) |
| 12:46.23 | zaheerm | because they introduced some crap in the maemo qt 4.5 port which they didn't want in qt 4.6 maybe |
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| 12:46.41 | X-Fade | Khertan: So there is a smooth upgrade path for developers to go from Fremantle to Harmattan. |
| 12:46.44 | Stskeeps | Khertan: community extensions that qt decided to scrap totally in 4.6 |
| 12:47.01 | Khertan | hum .... |
| 12:47.15 | Khertan | so some things was removed ? |
| 12:47.37 | zaheerm | why it wasn't just deprecated, i don't know |
| 12:47.49 | Khertan | yep ... i found that strange ... |
| 12:48.12 | Khertan | but as i didn't know how qt works (or should be used) ... i didn't have a great |
| 12:48.28 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:51.38 | mece | WOOHOO! it's Glib::RefPtr that has (had) the clear function. it's deprecated, and one should use reset(). |
| 12:52.41 | Khertan | hum ... too many depandencies on gnome to port without too much modification the ubuntuone client |
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| 12:53.05 | mece | Khertan, what kind? |
| 12:53.14 | Khertan | gnomekeyring |
| 12:53.18 | Khertan | nautilus |
| 12:53.18 | mece | Khertan, or are we talking about libraries missing? |
| 12:53.19 | zaheerm | Khertan, you should talk with thomasvs who ported couchdb to maemo 5 |
| 12:53.28 | mece | we have couchdb? |
| 12:53.38 | Khertan | mece: yep |
| 12:53.42 | zaheerm | mece, yep but not in extras |
| 12:54.00 | zaheerm | mece, erlang compiler hangs building it in the qemu on the autobuilder |
| 12:54.11 | Khertan | zaheerm: it s just a small try to run ubuntuone client |
| 12:54.19 | mece | nice. Not that I'm using it right now, but I've been meaning to do try some stuff with it. |
| 12:54.29 | Khertan | about couchdb ... i 'm not sure what was the main purpose |
| 12:54.29 | Khertan | :) |
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| 12:55.37 | zaheerm | Khertan, it will keep all its data in sync with the couchdb setup in ubuntu one |
| 12:55.58 | zaheerm | couchdb has built in master-master replication |
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| 12:57.31 | X-Fade | It does need a serious diet though. |
| 12:57.40 | Khertan | zaheerm: i'm currently reading the website |
| 12:57.48 | Khertan | this look like an oversized things |
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| 12:58.32 | corecode | ubuntu one doesn't work for me |
| 12:58.37 | corecode | in any dimension |
| 12:58.55 | Khertan | works for file sync |
| 12:59.00 | Khertan | for me ... |
| 12:59.15 | corecode | not even that :/ |
| 12:59.23 | Khertan | but i didn't use notes sync as i ve my own client / server / webnotes |
| 12:59.25 | corecode | bookmarks are a fail |
| 12:59.31 | corecode | tomboy notes as well |
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| 12:59.36 | Khertan | (which isn't ready for end user yet ... |
| 12:59.37 | Khertan | ) |
| 12:59.41 | Khertan | i use mnotes :) |
| 12:59.41 | corecode | oh sad |
| 12:59.47 | Khertan | available in extras-devel |
| 12:59.56 | Khertan | but sync can be dangerous sometimes |
| 13:00.04 | Khertan | if you don't know what you do |
| 13:00.08 | corecode | why? |
| 13:00.20 | Khertan | specially when sync more than 2 device |
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| 13:00.32 | Khertan | i ve made some errors in the code that i should fix |
| 13:01.05 | corecode | i'm searching for a usable GTD app |
| 13:01.09 | Khertan | héhé |
| 13:01.14 | Khertan | good luck |
| 13:01.14 | Khertan | :) |
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| 13:01.20 | SpeedEvil | corecode: uninstall angrybirds |
| 13:01.31 | Khertan | apt-get remove vectormine |
| 13:01.42 | corecode | what is angrybirds? |
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| 13:02.45 | SpeedEvil | corecode: It is a very silly game. |
| 13:03.05 | corecode | oh |
| 13:03.08 | corecode | i don't play games |
| 13:03.23 | nid0 | s/silly/entertaining |
| 13:03.52 | Khertan | no no ... silly |
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| 13:07.35 | corecode | anybody have an idea how to integrate group chat with conversations? |
| 13:07.44 | corecode | i'd like to be able to MUC |
| 13:08.09 | cehteh | MUC? |
| 13:08.17 | cehteh | eh ok |
| 13:08.19 | arachnist | multi-user chat |
| 13:08.23 | cehteh | irc? :) |
| 13:08.28 | corecode | no |
| 13:08.31 | corecode | xmpp |
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| 13:08.33 | cehteh | why not? |
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| 13:08.39 | cehteh | well dunno |
| 13:08.55 | corecode | if you have irc integration in conversations, even better |
| 13:09.00 | wazd_e63 | Lo fellas |
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| 13:09.10 | cehteh | the irc plugin there is close to useless |
| 13:09.16 | corecode | oh also i wanted to hack modest to put sent mails on the imap server |
| 13:09.17 | cehteh | i use xchat |
| 13:09.29 | cehteh | it doesnt do that? |
| 13:09.34 | corecode | however, i thought about maybe doing that on the smptd side |
| 13:09.35 | corecode | no! |
| 13:09.38 | corecode | pathetic, right? |
| 13:09.47 | cehteh | modest :) |
| 13:09.50 | corecode | :D |
| 13:09.58 | nid0 | cehteh no, modest basically sucks in terms of imap, pop3, and generally anything to do with email |
| 13:10.00 | cehteh | when you are at it please fix: |
| 13:10.11 | cehteh | 1) imap subscriptions |
| 13:10.15 | corecode | but i'm not yet far in setting up a build/test environment |
| 13:10.16 | cehteh | 2) imap idle |
| 13:10.22 | nid0 | dear god yes please give local imap subscriptions |
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| 13:10.27 | cehteh | 3) notifications only on selected folders |
| 13:10.33 | corecode | what's local imap subscriptions? |
| 13:10.37 | cehteh | 4) threading |
| 13:10.57 | nid0 | ability to unsubscribe to certain folders locally on the device so that it doesnt poll it |
| 13:10.57 | corecode | okay, you do the UI, I do the code |
| 13:10.59 | corecode | deal? |
| 13:11.03 | cehteh | mhm .. prolly more but that are the most urgend things :P |
| 13:11.11 | cehteh | nah opposite |
| 13:11.14 | nid0 | at the moment modest will only take the server side subscription list and poll every folder |
| 13:11.25 | corecode | really? |
| 13:11.28 | nid0 | really |
| 13:11.30 | corecode | it doesn't seem to do here |
| 13:11.40 | cehteh | it doesnt even get that right |
| 13:11.44 | corecode | i only see inbox |
| 13:11.47 | corecode | which is okay for me |
| 13:11.59 | nid0 | you're probably only subscribed to the inbox serverside then |
| 13:12.04 | cehteh | ah i see *all* my folders even the unsubscribed ones which have a dot in front |
| 13:12.12 | nid0 | and other clients you have accessing other folders are using local subscriptions |
| 13:12.33 | cehteh | and there is no ui to subscribe/unsubscribe ... neihter server nor client side |
| 13:12.39 | nid0 | but like cehteh I see all my folders, which is pissing annoying as one of the folders gets upward of 5,000 messages a day that I really have no need to see on my device |
| 13:12.59 | corecode | no |
| 13:13.07 | corecode | i have all folders subscribed |
| 13:13.08 | cehteh | and it polls (ok i disabled it) once every half hour and then notifies only about one mail .. which ususally happens to be in the junk folder |
| 13:13.30 | corecode | haha |
| 13:13.43 | corecode | my junk mails are set to read automatically :D |
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| 13:13.49 | cehteh | so i miss any important mail and get notification about junk ... |
| 13:14.18 | cehteh | maybe i should do that too .. but then it would alert on boring mailinglist |
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| 13:14.33 | corecode | well, weird |
| 13:14.40 | corecode | it only alerts inbox here |
| 13:14.40 | cehteh | i want configure it on which folder it should alert and then it should alert on every mail |
| 13:15.11 | cehteh | and of course imap-idle support to that it alerts when a mail arrives .. one 50 mails every hour at once |
| 13:15.13 | nid0 | basically, just write a whole new imap client that's actually not shit, plx |
| 13:15.17 | bilboed-pi | wants to be able to disable tracker :( |
| 13:15.48 | corecode | well have fun with the mail client |
| 13:15.50 | cehteh | nid0: well i disabled polling and look aktively for mail with modest when i feel for it (once every 2 weeks) |
| 13:16.00 | cehteh | otherwise i use claws on the device |
| 13:16.10 | corecode | the imap part is not hard |
| 13:17.06 | cehteh | i wonder if some things will be fixed in PR1.2 |
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| 13:17.38 | cehteh | some userland software (maybe including modest) will possibly survive the switch to meego |
| 13:17.46 | cehteh | so it makes sense when they fix it |
| 13:17.46 | X-Fade | cehteh: Don't wonder, just look at the code. ;) |
| 13:18.13 | cehteh | X-Fade: i dont .. its not that important for me, and way to much broken to considering to fix it |
| 13:19.22 | X-Fade | cehteh: The shortlog should answer it for you: http://git.maemo.org/git/modest/?p=modest;a=shortlog ;) |
| 13:19.54 | Arif_ | :yawn: |
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| 13:21.18 | tybollt | yes yawn |
| 13:21.25 | cehteh | X-Fade: is that the repository where the nokia guys commit too? |
| 13:21.32 | X-Fade | cehteh: yes |
| 13:22.10 | cehteh | uhm |
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| 13:23.20 | Arif_ | has Maemo 5 disappeared yet? |
| 13:23.34 | nid0 | whats maemo 5? |
| 13:23.56 | SpeedEvil | Maemo 5 was uninstalled from all devices yesterday through an over-the-air update. |
| 13:24.04 | SpeedEvil | And replaces by windows 3.11wg |
| 13:24.09 | Arif_ | \o/ |
| 13:24.17 | pupnik | that explains everything |
| 13:24.21 | Arif_ | now I can play Jazz Jackrabbit 2! |
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| 13:39.19 | wazd_e63 | Pupnik: how's the hangover? :D |
| 13:40.02 | tybollt | is modest |
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| 13:41.35 | pupnik | happy |
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| 13:42.26 | corecode | does anybody have a solution for incoming sip calls from POTS? |
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| 13:42.45 | corecode | here they appear as sip:012345678@sipgate.de |
| 13:42.53 | cehteh | asterisk? |
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| 13:42.58 | corecode | and they are not connected to the address book entry of 012345678 |
| 13:43.12 | corecode | no, direct sip |
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| 13:43.19 | wazd_e63 | Ce |
| 13:43.33 | wazd_e63 | Cehteh: oh no, not again :) |
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| 13:56.47 | w00t | so, who's got a UK mobile provider they want to brag about |
| 13:58.23 | Arif_ | Voda? |
| 13:58.37 | w00t | have horrible coverage in hull, otherwise they'd be an option |
| 13:59.03 | w00t | ponders O2 |
| 13:59.34 | N900evil | Woot |
| 13:59.37 | Arif_ | is on the only Dutch provider that offers unlimited internet |
| 13:59.39 | N900evil | t-mobile |
| 14:00.21 | w00t | N900evil: why are they good? |
| 14:00.24 | N900evil | w00t, payg - 20 quid for 6mo interocitor, and 1g/mo |
| 14:00.32 | N900evil | internet |
| 14:00.42 | Arif_ | 1GB |
| 14:00.45 | Arif_ | that's not a lot :P |
| 14:00.49 | N900evil | well |
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| 14:01.13 | N900evil | if you're not mobile much, but tethered. |
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| 14:01.34 | Arif_ | oops |
| 14:01.44 | Arif_ | I just reset my data counter ;( |
| 14:01.53 | w00t | O2 have unlimited internet (probably with strings attached) as a bolton for £20/mo, one month rolling contract |
| 14:01.57 | N900evil | and download podcasts forex off device |
| 14:02.58 | N900evil | w00t, yeah. this package is great value if you make few calls and texts, and 1g/mo works for you |
| 14:03.18 | w00t | 1g is probably a bit too small tbh. |
| 14:03.24 | mmgcs | newbie question... can anyone help me resolve an error i'm getting while trying to "apt-get update" in scratchbox -> GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 14:03.25 | N900evil | 30 quid for calls and net for 6mo |
| 14:03.53 | Arif_ | 6 months? |
| 14:04.02 | pupnik | tried google mmgcs ? |
| 14:04.04 | N900evil | yes |
| 14:05.48 | Arif_ | hands N900evil some media to stream |
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| 14:06.53 | w00t | You may not use your SIM Card in any device to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content, enable P2P or file sharing or use them in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other O2 customers. If O2 reasonably suspect you are not acting in accordance with this policy O2 reserves the right to impose further charges or disconnect your tariff at any time, having attempted to contact you first. |
| 14:07.01 | w00t | that is hilariously openly worded |
| 14:07.10 | N900evil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/payg/boosters/ |
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| 14:07.42 | pupnik | w00t: what country? |
| 14:08.02 | w00t | pupnik: UK |
| 14:08.23 | N900evil | Arif_, most times I'm out, I am driving, or doing stuff or in wifi range, so... |
| 14:09.11 | w00t | it's a little depressing how much the mobile providers here suck for serious usage |
| 14:09.23 | jiajia | cao ni ma |
| 14:09.49 | N900evil | w00t, getting better thojugh. |
| 14:09.58 | pupnik | i finally found 3g prepaid for 10 eu / mo |
| 14:10.17 | Khertan | it s cheap ... |
| 14:10.53 | Khertan | prepaid here is 1 / Mo ... where in french Mo isn't month... but Mega Octets ... or in english Mega bytes |
| 14:10.54 | Khertan | :) |
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| 14:11.31 | pupnik | ow that would hurt |
| 14:11.49 | pupnik | germany seems quite good |
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| 14:13.13 | w00t | I'm a bit perplexed how O2 manage to have a £3/mb charge for usage "outside your allowance" for an unlimited cap :) |
| 14:13.42 | w00t | looks at tmobile |
| 14:14.08 | pekuja | are you sure it's unlimited? |
| 14:14.17 | w00t | pekuja: that's what they say, yes |
| 14:14.26 | Arif_ | wtfux |
| 14:14.33 | Arif_ | how does the N900 order the bookmarks |
| 14:14.44 | w00t | so there must be a piece of text somewhere saying "unlimited actually means 1gb/mo" |
| 14:14.54 | MiXu- | Arif: I think recently used are at the top |
| 14:15.00 | w00t | Arif_: rand(), as far as I can tell :) |
| 14:15.09 | Arif_ | the bookmark I just visited is in the middle! |
| 14:15.10 | Arif_ | :D |
| 14:15.18 | MiXu- | Oh. Then not I guess =) |
| 14:15.48 | Arif_ | Those weird Finns really should stop using those weird substances when programming |
| 14:15.49 | Arif_ | :p |
| 14:16.48 | fragment | Arif_: you mean these?;) http://www.salmiyuck.com/ |
| 14:17.10 | Arif_ | what the hell is that |
| 14:17.19 | pupnik | salmiak tastes great |
| 14:17.37 | fragment | Arif_: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Souvenir-Potpourri-Salmiak-Attack.aspx |
| 14:18.05 | pupnik | tingles in mouth |
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| 14:18.10 | Arif_ | blinks |
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| 14:18.14 | Arif_ | those cookies are black :O |
| 14:18.40 | Arif_ | runs away |
| 14:20.02 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: You're a very brave man |
| 14:20.26 | Arif_ | he spread rumors about PR1.2? :P |
| 14:20.28 | Stskeeps | what'd GA do now? |
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| 14:21.03 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: See /msg |
| 14:21.10 | Jaffa | The logs may be listening |
| 14:21.27 | Jaffa | But he also took on crashanddie head on ;-) |
| 14:21.32 | Arif_ | feels left out :P |
| 14:22.13 | Jaffa | Arif_: He stripped off and ran through tmo saying "MeeGo rules; Maemo drools" |
| 14:22.20 | javispedro | what? |
| 14:22.22 | tybollt | huuuh |
| 14:22.22 | javispedro | I have to see it. |
| 14:22.30 | Arif_ | lol |
| 14:22.32 | tybollt | http://www.salmiyuck.com/ <--- those cookies... do they exist? |
| 14:22.40 | Jaffa | javispedro: I'm sure if you Google "naked general antilles" you may get *something* ;-) |
| 14:22.40 | Summeli | tybollt: yeah, they do |
| 14:22.41 | tybollt | HAVE... TO.... HAVE... |
| 14:22.51 | tybollt | Summeli: Only exist in Suomi? |
| 14:23.01 | Summeli | you really can't taste the chili on those :( |
| 14:23.06 | Arif_ | tybollt, you want to kill someone? :P |
| 14:23.20 | Summeli | tybollt: I suppose that they wouldn't be a success elsewhere :D |
| 14:23.28 | tybollt | I just want liquorice cookies |
| 14:23.29 | tybollt | really |
| 14:23.45 | tybollt | salmiakki cookies though, not the sweet liquorice kind |
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| 14:23.52 | Arif_ | you probably have them in Dutchland too if you look hard enough |
| 14:23.59 | Arif_ | Dutch like gross stuff apparently |
| 14:24.03 | zaheerm | w00t, nothing is unlimited with o2 |
| 14:24.07 | tybollt | Summeli: the salmiakki market is HUGHE in Sweden |
| 14:24.20 | w00t | zaheerm: of course |
| 14:24.28 | zaheerm | w00t, they have a fair usage policy which if you exceed, they have the right to charge you for the excess use |
| 14:24.32 | w00t | zaheerm: but this didn't even have a * next to it, horribly misleading :) |
| 14:24.33 | Summeli | tybollt: also in finland :) |
| 14:24.34 | Hydroxide | would love to find some vegetarian salmiakki in NYC if anyone knows where to find it. (i.e. not containing gelatin) |
| 14:24.56 | tybollt | Summeli: I don't drink, so I'm not allowed to enter Finland :( |
| 14:24.56 | X-Fade | tybollt: The Dutch like it too. |
| 14:24.58 | w00t | zaheerm: I'm not even after unlimited, I'd just like a better deal than "1gb/mo and if you exceed that we will anally rape you" |
| 14:25.01 | zaheerm | w00t, that is why i'm happy at least vodafone tell you 500MB rather than unlimited in ther marketing |
| 14:25.10 | w00t | zaheerm: but that seems to be a bit too much to ask for over here |
| 14:25.20 | javispedro | those days #maemo is falling even more in the dark ages :) |
| 14:25.38 | tybollt | X-Fade: I think they like the sweet kind not the salty kind |
| 14:25.41 | zaheerm | w00t, although that is a new step for vodafone, i'm pretty sure in december they advertised it as unlimited |
| 14:25.48 | X-Fade | tybollt: No, both. |
| 14:25.51 | tybollt | really? |
| 14:25.59 | w00t | zaheerm: probably, everyone else seems to |
| 14:26.21 | Venomrush | i'm with O2 (UK) |
| 14:26.28 | Venomrush | gone past 200MB limit many times |
| 14:26.31 | w00t | notes virgin do the same thing, "unlimited excluding anything that uses lots of bandwidth, and oh if you go over 1gb/mo we'll charge you a lot." |
| 14:26.33 | Venomrush | haven't got any warning yet :p |
| 14:26.39 | zaheerm | Venomrush, i switched last week from o2 to vodafone |
| 14:26.42 | javispedro | in a few days we'll all be scarifying virgins to keep the meego gods from switching to gentoo specs instead of rpms. |
| 14:26.47 | w00t | how frustrating |
| 14:26.52 | Venomrush | zaheerm, how come? |
| 14:26.56 | zaheerm | Venomrush, price |
| 14:27.01 | Arif_ | We have the same great unlimited internet with most operators |
| 14:27.05 | Venomrush | zaheerm, ? |
| 14:27.08 | Arif_ | "Fair use of 10x the average use" |
| 14:27.20 | Arif_ | which means you get an SMS to gtfo their internet after 200MB :P |
| 14:27.23 | N900evil | w00t, t-mobile are very light touch if you go much over quotta |
| 14:27.24 | zaheerm | Venomrush, i now pay £12 a month for 900 mins, 500MB internet, "unlimited" texts |
| 14:27.42 | zaheerm | Venomrush, with a 12 month commitment |
| 14:27.47 | Venomrush | zaheerm, voda 3g any good? |
| 14:27.48 | jiajia | i am in finland |
| 14:27.58 | Venomrush | zaheerm, ah looks like you're on simfree contract? |
| 14:27.59 | zaheerm | Venomrush, yes at least where i am |
| 14:28.10 | Venomrush | zaheerm, i meant, sim only |
| 14:28.18 | zaheerm | Venomrush, yep sim only |
| 14:28.24 | tybollt | I pay ~6 EUR a month for unlimited no bullshit data on my plan |
| 14:28.26 | jiajia | 24 euros for 3000 phones and textmessage and video call and 5M /s as much as i want |
| 14:28.32 | Venomrush | zaheerm, i thought o2 is really good at retaining customers |
| 14:28.42 | Venomrush | zaheerm, their retention team usually match the deal |
| 14:28.48 | zaheerm | Venomrush, they used to be, i was with o2 for close to 11 years |
| 14:28.49 | tybollt | jiajia: ouch, expensive :( |
| 14:29.02 | jiajia | well 3G what do u expect |
| 14:29.04 | w00t | jiajia: you're in part of the world that isn't trying to keep mobiles in the dark ages, I think |
| 14:29.18 | jiajia | yeah well finland |
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| 14:29.24 | jiajia | u know where nokia from |
| 14:29.36 | Arif_ | has the feeling Turkish 3G is better than most of Europe |
| 14:29.39 | jiajia | it is a great deal for me tho |
| 14:29.58 | tybollt | Arif_: if only turkey had democracy, too... :( |
| 14:30.01 | zaheerm | Venomrush, i have found the 3.5g to be faster with voda than with o2 |
| 14:30.03 | jiajia | hei in finland now it is 3.5G already |
| 14:30.04 | w00t | I'm thinking I'll go with 3 at the moment |
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| 14:30.22 | Arif_ | you get 4GB/month for 30TL(15â¬) at 7.2Mb |
| 14:30.23 | Arif_ | :D |
| 14:30.33 | jiajia | there is no 4G |
| 14:30.39 | Arif_ | tybollt, they don't? :O |
| 14:30.42 | jiajia | not in turkey no way |
| 14:30.43 | Myrtti | jiajia: LTE/WiMAX |
| 14:30.43 | tybollt | jiajia: there is too! |
| 14:30.51 | tybollt | jiajia: 4G ~ LTE |
| 14:30.55 | tybollt | which we have in .se |
| 14:31.10 | Venomrush | zaheerm, depends, o2 is only good in london |
| 14:31.15 | jiajia | that is just bluffing |
| 14:31.15 | w00t | Venomrush: not true |
| 14:31.21 | tybollt | granted - the 4G network is here... no phone as of yet :) |
| 14:31.30 | tybollt | jiajia: bullshit |
| 14:31.30 | w00t | Venomrush: O2 are good where I am at least (hull) |
| 14:31.30 | jiajia | that might be true |
| 14:31.41 | w00t | Venomrush: in terms of coverage/speed |
| 14:31.47 | jiajia | okey tell me where is 4G |
| 14:31.48 | tybollt | jiajia: do not spread .fi lies now :) www.telia.se, check for 4G/LTE |
| 14:31.57 | pupnik | i got a tower practically to myself. totally lucked out |
| 14:32.00 | tybollt | jiajia: sure - STOCKHOLM |
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| 14:32.24 | jiajia | okey u telling me even sweden has but finland does not , that won't be ture |
| 14:32.35 | jiajia | finland is a power of phone |
| 14:32.38 | tybollt | jiajia: of course! |
| 14:32.40 | tybollt | no |
| 14:32.40 | Arif_ | TMobile doesn't work very well in the metro :( |
| 14:32.46 | Arif_ | they should place more towers! |
| 14:32.51 | jiajia | what does sweden has , IKEA |
| 14:32.53 | tybollt | Finland is a power of losing in ice hockey :D |
| 14:32.56 | jiajia | we have nokia |
| 14:32.59 | tybollt | 1-6 that is just embarasing :D |
| 14:33.09 | Myrtti | jiajia: http://www.puhelinvertailu.com/uutiset.cfm/2009/12/17/dna_elisa_ja_teliasonera_saivat_lte_toimiluvansa |
| 14:33.11 | jiajia | yeah i don't care about that people lose sometimes |
| 14:33.21 | w00t | norway kicks all your asses anyway |
| 14:33.23 | juhovh | only thing more embarrassing would be not to be in the match altogether :P |
| 14:33.26 | w00t | dons flameproof underpants |
| 14:33.33 | jiajia | okey so finland has 4G now |
| 14:33.34 | Myrtti | makes popcorn |
| 14:33.35 | jiajia | great |
| 14:33.48 | Arif_ | consumes Myrtti's popcorn |
| 14:33.57 | tybollt | Myrtti: Kiitos! |
| 14:33.59 | jiajia | Myrtti: cool |
| 14:34.11 | jiajia | kaikki pitä puhu suomea |
| 14:34.37 | ptl | just ate a whole chicken |
| 14:34.40 | jiajia | so manuy fins here |
| 14:34.43 | jiajia | great |
| 14:34.53 | Arif_ | is drinking tea |
| 14:34.55 | tybollt | ruotsi > suomi! |
| 14:34.56 | tybollt | :D |
| 14:35.21 | jiajia | paskaa ruotsi kieli |
| 14:35.22 | Myrtti | deb > rpm |
| 14:35.30 | Myrtti | can we move on? |
| 14:35.37 | zash | NEVAH?! |
| 14:35.42 | tybollt | Myrtti: uh oh... you will get Stskeeps started ...' :-| |
| 14:35.44 | Arif_ | tea > coffee |
| 14:35.53 | furunk3l | ... |
| 14:35.54 | zash | Arif_: RAAAAGE! |
| 14:35.59 | Arif_ | lawl |
| 14:36.00 | Arif_ | :D |
| 14:36.00 | furunk3l | dont do this |
| 14:36.09 | Arif_ | iPhone > N900 |
| 14:36.09 | Arif_ | ! |
| 14:36.15 | furunk3l | lame |
| 14:36.15 | Arif_ | runs |
| 14:36.18 | Myrtti | seriously? |
| 14:36.26 | Arif_ | no |
| 14:36.28 | zash | lol |
| 14:36.38 | Arif_ | tea > coffee was serious though |
| 14:36.49 | MohammadAG_ | <Arif_> iPhone > N900 |
| 14:36.56 | ptl | iPhone > N900 (it's bigger) |
| 14:36.58 | MohammadAG_ | what if everyone had +o in here |
| 14:37.05 | MohammadAG_ | ptl, err, no :p |
| 14:37.13 | ptl | well, it's longer |
| 14:37.17 | ptl | but the N900 is thicker |
| 14:37.28 | MohammadAG_ | much thicker |
| 14:37.40 | jiajia | the one multitask is enough to kick iphone ass |
| 14:37.42 | MohammadAG_ | the thickness of the iPhone is too small for me |
| 14:37.45 | ptl | 4 millimeters thicker. |
| 14:37.46 | furunk3l | are we still tlkaing baout phones? |
| 14:37.48 | tybollt | seriously though LTE is about to break big time now |
| 14:37.49 | furunk3l | *about |
| 14:37.53 | luke-jr | jiajia: the only thing that matters is hardware |
| 14:37.57 | tybollt | it'll be everywhere sooner than you think |
| 14:38.00 | tybollt | _the networks_ |
| 14:38.08 | Arif_ | Myrtti, do you still have popcorn? |
| 14:38.09 | tybollt | the phone will not be there just yet |
| 14:38.09 | Arif_ | :D |
| 14:38.13 | Myrtti | Arif_: no |
| 14:38.16 | Arif_ | aw :( |
| 14:38.18 | jiajia | u don't understand how important that is |
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| 14:38.27 | Arif_ | round 2 looks interesting :P |
| 14:38.45 | ptl | tell me |
| 14:38.50 | ptl | I just did a xdpyinfo on the N900 |
| 14:38.55 | ptl | and it said 16 levels |
| 14:39.00 | ptl | that is 65,536 colors |
| 14:39.04 | ptl | not 16 million |
| 14:39.28 | jiajia | iphone is a toy |
| 14:39.31 | ptl | wasn't it supposed to be a 24-bit device? |
| 14:39.44 | Arif_ | maybe its set to 16 bit |
| 14:39.47 | javispedro | ptl: nokia spain also keeps on saying it's a 1 GiB RAM device. |
| 14:39.55 | tybollt | jiajia: what is |
| 14:39.57 | tybollt | ? |
| 14:40.01 | jiajia | iphone |
| 14:40.05 | mgedmin | wikipedia claims nokia usa claims it has 16 M colors |
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| 14:40.19 | javispedro | they can keep whatever they want, nobody cares |
| 14:40.23 | javispedro | s/keep/claim |
| 14:40.33 | ptl | maybe it is capable of 16 million but it isn't the default for X. |
| 14:40.50 | ptl | wonder what would happen if I used xrandr to change the color depth |
| 14:40.59 | ptl | I've already compiled xrandr for it |
| 14:41.00 | javispedro | the entire thing will crash |
| 14:41.13 | javispedro | kill the wm before |
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| 14:41.25 | MohammadAG_ | it will shoot lasers |
| 14:41.28 | mgedmin | can xrandr actually change the color depth on the fly? |
| 14:41.31 | MohammadAG_ | from the microphone |
| 14:42.16 | javispedro | it can't change the color depth indeed in this oldish lenny setup |
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| 14:42.29 | ptl | hmmm |
| 14:42.37 | ptl | I think not, couldn't find such an option |
| 14:43.27 | javispedro | either way, I don't believe the LCD is 24bpp either |
| 14:43.55 | javispedro | it could be 18bpp |
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| 14:44.31 | Khertan | for me it s 4bpp ... it s still doesn't display my vectormine icon :) |
| 14:44.45 | utku | ive a windows ce 5 installed hp ipaq and it is not possible to install maemo on it, is it? |
| 14:44.45 | Khertan | but a big blue square |
| 14:45.03 | javispedro | ptl: if you're going to do any tests I suggest trying to first ensure you can exit out of a xorg crash loop (use custom kernel with console, possibily disable watchdogs, etc.) |
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| 14:45.25 | javispedro | Khertan: rebooted? |
| 14:45.26 | Khertan | or get a usb cable to flash near you :) |
| 14:45.33 | Khertan | javispedro: yep of course |
| 14:45.40 | javispedro | :( |
| 14:45.44 | Khertan | javispedro: seems something wrong in my .desktop file |
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| 14:45.54 | Khertan | but don't know what without any logs |
| 14:46.09 | javispedro | yes, it's a bit of magic science |
| 14:46.15 | ptl | xdpyinfo also says the display has capacity for 24 and 32 bpp |
| 14:46.15 | javispedro | but h-d is open! |
| 14:46.24 | Khertan | h-d ? |
| 14:46.27 | trupheenix | cehteh, i updated my firmware and emmc image |
| 14:46.33 | Khertan | hildon-desktop ... ; |
| 14:46.34 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:46.41 | javispedro | ptl: you mean capacity for 32 bpp visuals I guess |
| 14:46.48 | trupheenix | cehteh, now to check if everything is in order :D |
| 14:46.52 | ptl | root window is 16 planes, but depths (7: 16, 1, 4, 8, 15, 24, 32) |
| 14:46.55 | Khertan | yep it s open ... but doesn't help me as i can't debug it on device :) |
| 14:47.35 | ptl | javispedro: hmm, can you have a 24 bpp visual without real 24 bpp? |
| 14:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'm not even sure. :P |
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| 14:49.12 | trupheenix | cehteh, but now the cities directory in the emmc is missing ! :( |
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| 14:49.28 | AndrewFBlack_ | is php-cgi available for maemo5? |
| 14:50.02 | jiajia | u guys have any idea if there is anyphone better than n900 |
| 14:50.09 | javispedro | ptl: I'd say "yes" but won't put my fineger on it :) |
| 14:50.09 | cehteh | trupheenix: mhm .. maybe ovi maps initializes it when you start it for the first time, dunno |
| 14:50.18 | trupheenix | hmmmm |
| 14:50.21 | trupheenix | hmmmm |
| 14:50.23 | trupheenix | i did that |
| 14:50.34 | tybollt | jiajia: because "better" is not subjective - right? |
| 14:50.50 | cehteh | anyphone [tm] :) |
| 14:50.56 | jiajia | overall |
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| 14:51.29 | jiajia | i have now iphone and n900 thinking but a thired one |
| 14:51.33 | jiajia | which is good u guys thing |
| 14:51.35 | jiajia | think |
| 14:51.44 | villager | ptl: I think yes, Xorg will convert on the fly if the app insists on using them |
| 14:51.45 | pekuja | jiajia: because "overall" is not subjective - right? |
| 14:52.23 | jiajia | it can be |
| 14:54.35 | mece | gtkmm is driving me to do drugs! |
| 14:55.09 | Khertan | ahah ... |
| 14:55.13 | Khertan | use pygtk :) |
| 14:55.28 | Arif_ | stop programming! |
| 14:55.31 | pekuja | are the drugs good? |
| 14:55.42 | mece | unfortunately this crap is written in c++ |
| 14:55.55 | pekuja | use qt? |
| 14:56.04 | mgedmin | which is not written in c++ ;) |
| 14:56.09 | mece | pekuja, well, it's a work int progress. I haven't actually aquired any drugs yet, other than caffeine and alcohol. |
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| 14:56.23 | pekuja | so just the legal stuff |
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| 15:13.42 | Toxs | hello, |
| 15:14.40 | javispedro | hello. |
| 15:15.27 | Toxs | has anyone tried to port picodrive to the n900 yet? |
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| 15:22.35 | pupnik | Toxs: go dor it! |
| 15:22.37 | pupnik | for |
| 15:23.19 | pupnik | sdl or gtk for drawing, alsa sound backend |
| 15:23.45 | Corsac | what's picodrive? |
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| 15:26.00 | pupnik | genesis emulator |
| 15:26.23 | pupnik | writen for gamepark / arm |
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| 15:27.00 | Toxs | pupnik : i wish i had the skills to do such a thing. |
| 15:27.45 | Toxs | just read on the forums that people have failed trying. |
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| 15:28.02 | pupnik | well it shouldnt be that bad really |
| 15:28.43 | Toxs | given that people have ported it to many mobile devices already... |
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| 15:29.52 | Toxs | the one i tried was compiled for the n95 , worked perfectly. |
| 15:31.36 | Arif_ | yawns |
| 15:31.37 | pupnik | it is fun to port stuff but it is probably better to start with something that at least basically runs |
| 15:31.40 | Toxs | anyways i'll give it a shot today, since seems to be the best one to get working on the n900. |
| 15:32.09 | Arif_ | did someone say Genesis emulator? |
| 15:33.32 | pupnik | iirc there is a linux makefile in there |
| 15:33.58 | Toxs | pupnik : most of the time i just look for an alternative when one thing fails to compile in scratchbox :P |
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| 15:41.11 | wazd | oh this nerdy world |
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| 15:41.24 | wazd | Today's topics in maemo-developers: AT command AT+CSMP=1,167,0,8 not possible on N900 (???) |
| 15:42.10 | javispedro | what would you expect? "Today's Lost episode sucked"? |
| 15:42.27 | Stskeeps | javispedro: "N900 is a plot hole in Lost" |
| 15:42.42 | wazd | javispedro: well, yes :D |
| 15:43.23 | javispedro | Lost with a N900 and Ovi Maps, now that's some movie name :D |
| 15:44.04 | Stskeeps | javispedro: i think lbt played in that one |
| 15:44.36 | javispedro | yes, I read his blog post :) |
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| 15:48.50 | Venomrush | Lost rules |
| 15:48.52 | Venomrush | xD |
| 15:49.18 | Venomrush | you know they only meant to do 1 season |
| 15:49.31 | mgedmin | they got lost in the plot? |
| 15:49.33 | Venomrush | got popular |
| 15:49.38 | Venomrush | drags on until now |
| 15:49.50 | Venomrush | starting to make stuff up like time travel |
| 15:50.14 | Venomrush | im sure time travel wasnt in the original plot |
| 15:50.15 | darktears | till-: ping |
| 15:50.25 | mgedmin | "Can the protagonist of an ongoing series whose sales are still solid deal with these challenges?" oh the suspense! |
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| 15:55.44 | therock | 1q/quit |
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| 15:57.47 | Tyrant91101 | Is there any app to use Napster subscription on the N810? |
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| 16:02.12 | pupnik | i compiled lopster but it needs a lot of changes |
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| 16:05.24 | mavhc | trying to fix my infinite reboot n810, enabled r&d mode and disabled watchdog, didn't help, any ideas what to try next? |
| 16:06.46 | zaheerm | lol @ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/02/apple_patent_htc/ |
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| 16:10.34 | Shapeshifter | Uhm, when I type sb-conf se FREMANTLE_X86 it complains "sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first". What is this about? |
| 16:10.42 | Shapeshifter | There's no other scratchbox session, really. |
| 16:11.07 | Stskeeps | sb-conf kill or something |
| 16:11.08 | mgedmin | some background processes perhaps |
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| 16:14.21 | Shapeshifter | thanks, found and killed them with sb-conf list --session |
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| 16:16.07 | gouverneur | Shapeshifter: this happens to me after a switch, somehow the other session remains open |
| 16:17.21 | AndrewFBlack_ | anyone know if php-cgi has been built for maemo5 lighttpd says to install it to get php support but can't find it |
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| 16:19.16 | gouverneur | AndrewFBlack_: its part of the PHP5 package |
| 16:19.23 | gouverneur | fastcgi |
| 16:20.46 | AndrewFBlack_ | gouverneur: what is name of package to install? |
| 16:21.47 | gouverneur | hmw didnt look it up but the port should be there 1 sec |
| 16:21.53 | gouverneur | I look it up |
| 16:23.45 | gouverneur | AndrewFBlack_: ok php package itself has not been ported... whats packed with lighttp? |
| 16:24.19 | Khertan | arg ... ksyslog doesn't record any error for my desktop file and his missing icon |
| 16:24.21 | Khertan | pfff |
| 16:24.36 | Khertan | megabytes of glib warning ... but not my errors |
| 16:25.15 | gouverneur | AndrewFBlack_: thought someone did the package already... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39430 |
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| 16:26.01 | AndrewFBlack_ | havn't been one released guess I need to make some requests to people to do it |
| 16:26.05 | gouverneur | its working, just have to build it from source |
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| 16:28.23 | AndrewFBlack_ | I normally do better with a package to install lol |
| 16:30.04 | gouverneur | AndrewFBlack_: thats not so hard... my server is just shutdown atm so no help from me sry |
| 16:31.38 | AndrewFBlack_ | ok |
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| 16:41.04 | ab_ | hi all |
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| 16:50.29 | Khertan | .desktop file format and validation really sucks !!ll!! |
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| 16:50.57 | Khertan | vectormine icon was show because there was a space after the name of the icon !!! |
| 16:51.17 | Khertan | god !!!! there isn't any check ! |
| 16:51.30 | Corsac | lintian? |
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| 16:51.42 | javispedro | that's why some editors show you line-ending whitespace by default :) |
| 16:51.51 | Khertan | desktop-file-validate did say anything about it ! |
| 16:52.24 | Khertan | lintian isn't available on device ! |
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| 16:52.45 | slonopotamus | javispedro, good editors just strip it off and let you forget. |
| 16:52.54 | Khertan | yeah i ll clearly add a new option in pygtkeditor to hilight space at line end ! |
| 16:53.20 | Khertan | or maybe better to put a option to strip off |
| 16:53.24 | Khertan | will be better |
| 16:53.37 | Khertan | at save |
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| 17:04.03 | arachnist | http://www.reallywarped.com/images/ATT560848.jpg <| OMG! ITSATRAP! (sfw) |
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| 17:10.37 | slonopotamus | MohammadAG, can you boot it improperly? |
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| 17:11.09 | MohammadAG | slonopotamus, I can't boot it in any way :p |
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| 17:11.29 | MohammadAG | N900 keeps shutting down |
| 17:11.34 | n00bmonk3y | w000p lo alls |
| 17:11.40 | n00bmonk3y | is the talk pages stuttering? |
| 17:11.44 | n00bmonk3y | not laoding up for me :( |
| 17:11.48 | n00bmonk3y | loading* |
| 17:12.01 | MohammadAG | not working here atm |
| 17:12.17 | n00bmonk3y | meh :) - life goes on :D |
| 17:12.56 | n00bmonk3y | and it's back |
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| 17:24.53 | jo-erlend | Nokia Suite. I use that connection mode in order to use the phone as a modem for my lappy in Ubuntu. Using the real Nokia Suite, you can also access files on the device while you're using it as a modem, right? Can I do that with Ubuntu? |
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| 17:26.53 | n00bmonk3y | w000psicles - new healthcheck build avail in extras-devel :D |
| 17:28.14 | n00bmonk3y | sorry Jo - not sure :| |
| 17:28.39 | n00bmonk3y | i use joiku as a hotspot and winscp to transfer files - so do it differently :P (and use xp) |
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| 17:29.51 | jo-erlend | does joikuspot run on linux? Thought that was s60 only. |
| 17:30.07 | n00bmonk3y | theres a very early development with bugs that works |
| 17:30.18 | n00bmonk3y | can dload straight from the joiku website |
| 17:30.26 | n00bmonk3y | but warning - it does have bugs :P |
| 17:30.33 | jo-erlend | ok. But, in any case, I want to use a usb cable because that also charges the phone. |
| 17:30.37 | n00bmonk3y | power hungry, and 1st use often reboots |
| 17:30.42 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
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| 17:39.10 | konttori | I discussed about the roadmap today. We are trying to make it happen. Need to turn one more head around, and then it should be ok for me to make the roadmap for you guys (just a status update) |
| 17:40.59 | SpeedEvil | watches the head-spinning scene in the exorcist. |
| 17:41.21 | corecode | installs 3gb of offline maps |
| 17:41.52 | n00bmonk3y | :D |
| 17:42.47 | corecode | wow that vfat flash is fast |
| 17:43.32 | RST38h | konttori: wow! |
| 17:44.50 | n00bmonk3y | blinks |
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| 17:45.37 | jo-erlend | what's the device name for the wireless nic in n900? |
| 17:46.17 | Pillum | can you break the accmeter of your n900 by shaking it too much? |
| 17:46.34 | corecode | huh? |
| 17:46.40 | corecode | i doubt |
| 17:47.12 | Kegetys | the whole device will propably come apart first |
| 17:47.18 | abubakar | how much shaking would that be :) |
| 17:47.28 | jo-erlend | of course you _can_, but that would require an effort. |
| 17:47.42 | Pillum | because my accmeter isnt working anymore |
| 17:47.50 | jo-erlend | g-forces would force the screen to fall of, for instance. |
| 17:48.08 | abubakar | Pillum how much shaking r we talking about? |
| 17:48.39 | Pillum | its stalled on x=-2.3 y=2.3 z=2.3 |
| 17:48.52 | Flyser_ | jo-erlend: wlan0? |
| 17:48.53 | Pillum | i dont know how to describe it :) |
| 17:49.32 | jo-erlend | Flyser_, yes, I found it, thanks. :) |
| 17:50.59 | abubakar | when my n900 was 1 day old, and i went to the beach with it and started running with it in my left pocket, i was worried about how much it was shaking ... i mean as much as the legs r moving during running |
| 17:51.30 | abubakar | but it was nothing :) .. and thats the max my n900 has been shaken |
| 17:51.31 | abubakar | :) |
| 17:51.39 | Pillum | hm... |
| 17:52.06 | abubakar | maybe yours has some software issue |
| 17:53.09 | Pillum | is there an easy way to find out the source of the problem? |
| 17:53.24 | GeneralAntilles | grinds teeth @ MeeGo-community. |
| 17:53.25 | Pillum | cause i dont no what to do now :( |
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| 17:54.26 | Arif_ | offers GeneralAntilles a Meego toaster |
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| 17:54.48 | abubakar | why GeneralAntilles ? :) |
| 17:55.09 | abubakar | Pillum maybe send back for warranty ? |
| 17:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | abubakar, irritating starts to discussions: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-March/000154.html |
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| 17:58.22 | N900evil | the accel is rated to 5000g IIRC |
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| 17:58.29 | javispedro | Midguard! |
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| 17:59.44 | RST38h | The Tentacled One closing in on a blonde: http://www.encspb.ru/image.php?file=big%2f2803986828.jpg |
| 17:59.50 | RST38h | moo javis |
| 18:00.00 | Stskeeps | am i the only one not being happy about relying on one vendor for our CMS needs and development on top? |
| 18:00.00 | javispedro | moo rst |
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| 18:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how do you mean? |
| 18:00.36 | RST38h | is not happy about Midgard specifically |
| 18:00.52 | javispedro | once went thought the "choose a cms" life step. he did not like any single one cms in existence. |
| 18:01.02 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: as in the apps on top of maemo.org is primarily written by midgard authors and x-fade |
| 18:01.10 | Stskeeps | it does not lend itself to community participation that easily |
| 18:01.22 | abubakar | umm i dont know whats cms and whats midguard and whats drupal so dont know whats being discussed |
| 18:01.30 | javispedro | midguard again! |
| 18:01.36 | abubakar | lazy to google right now |
| 18:01.38 | javispedro | en garde! touché! |
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| 18:02.14 | Corsac | hmhm, yet another us question, will an eu n900 have 3.5g on at&t in us? |
| 18:02.17 | RST38h | abubakar: It is ok, just stay quiet for now |
| 18:02.19 | javispedro | midguard = midgard, a cms. cms = content management system. |
| 18:02.24 | RST38h | Corsac: No |
| 18:02.31 | ShadowJK | Corsac, not even US n900 will have 3.5g on at&t afaik? |
| 18:02.40 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: without any technical reasons, i would think drupal would lend itself better to outsiders coming in and contributing features to the community sides |
| 18:02.43 | Stskeeps | site |
| 18:02.44 | Stskeeps | s |
| 18:02.46 | javispedro | content management system = website author retirement service. |
| 18:03.21 | Stskeeps | due to it simply being more known and that any idiot can set it up? :P |
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| 18:03.52 | javispedro | but you HIT the issue! how can meego.com be a special site if anyone can set a similar site up easily? |
| 18:03.53 | jo-erlend | n00bmonk3y, where did you get joikuspot for maemo? I can't find it in the repos and no download link on their site? |
| 18:04.02 | javispedro | we clearly need something über complicated. |
| 18:04.11 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I would say the CMS with the biggest number of users worldwide wins |
| 18:04.18 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Safety in numbers |
| 18:04.23 | javispedro | RST38h: wordpress. |
| 18:04.23 | Stskeeps | RST38h: sharepoint? ;p |
| 18:04.29 | javispedro | ah, touché. |
| 18:04.46 | Corsac | RST38h: thanks |
| 18:04.54 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Oh. No. |
| 18:04.58 | GeneralAntilles | Corsac, there is no difference between N900s. |
| 18:05.03 | Corsac | ok |
| 18:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | Corsac, they're all the same, minus the keyboard. |
| 18:05.05 | Corsac | wasn't sure |
| 18:05.09 | RST38h | WordPress may not be such a bad idea =) |
| 18:05.18 | Stskeeps | i would much like to see more participation from outsiders into the website, as to off-load x-fade and others to focus on higher level things |
| 18:05.18 | Corsac | so it's not a good idea to take an at&t prepaid plan if I want data |
| 18:05.22 | microlith | putts around on AT&T's 2.5G service |
| 18:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | Corsac, does AT&T do data with prepaid? |
| 18:05.38 | Corsac | no idea at all |
| 18:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think any US providers do pre-paid data. |
| 18:05.50 | Corsac | it's just that I'm visiting someone and she has at&t |
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| 18:06.03 | ShadowJK | I don't notice any difference in web browsing speed between edge and 3.5g.. atleast not when browsing tmo.. the massive amounts of css and jabascript take more time |
| 18:06.10 | Corsac | GeneralAntilles: it seems that tmo with flexpay it's possible |
| 18:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | does. |
| 18:07.58 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Isn't maemo.org site (and probably meego.com too) plugging into Nokia's own intranet and thus cannot be maintained/administered by volunteers? |
| 18:08.17 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Blame css/javascript |
| 18:08.18 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i don't think so actually |
| 18:08.44 | RST38h | still does not understand why it is impossible to create an iPhonish UI for tmo with minimum css and js |
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| 18:08.58 | N900evil | nntp |
| 18:09.07 | RST38h | If Google manages to implement such a UI, why not anyone from tmo? |
| 18:09.21 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, LF hosted. |
| 18:09.26 | GeneralAntilles | So, whatever that means. |
| 18:09.34 | javispedro | RST38h: well, vote for drupal, which is skinnable and has much more .. eh... simple gui by default. |
| 18:09.44 | RST38h | javis: where? |
| 18:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | feels enthusiasm slowly seeping away through his pores. |
| 18:10.47 | javispedro | RST38h: if there's ever a poll to decide meego's cms, there :P |
| 18:10.57 | javispedro | s/meego/meego.com |
| 18:11.07 | GeneralAntilles | I think we should hold a poll on Talk. |
| 18:11.12 | ShadowJK | RST38h, oh the minimalist UIs are based on iphone skins |
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| 18:15.22 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Google mobile UIs work very well on N900 |
| 18:15.33 | javispedro | Unfortunately, I do not feel any kind of special attachment to Midgard (which I even flamed before), but only to x-fade's work (like the packages interface). |
| 18:15.35 | RST38h | General: Pools on tmo are useless |
| 18:15.52 | RST38h | General: Polls. It still comes down to whoever holds the actual admin rights' |
| 18:16.08 | javispedro | I am under the impression that those kind of stuff is easier on Midgard than on Drupal, but since I've only played slightly with both... |
| 18:19.23 | RST38h | javispedro: Packages interface is unusable IMHO |
| 18:19.31 | RST38h | not sure why you feel attachment to it |
| 18:19.36 | javispedro | because it's useful. |
| 18:19.45 | javispedro | and it's better than the previous abomination. |
| 18:20.02 | javispedro | which required a 2 GiB machine just to promote a package from -devel to extras |
| 18:20.04 | RST38h | if only that... |
| 18:20.42 | Wolfie | wth... i'm trying to disable voicemail by entering a ##-code. The phone says that it's an invalid number... how do i enter these kinds of operator codes? |
| 18:20.59 | lcuk | package interface is vital to knowing history of actions. its good at what it does even if the interface needs cleasning |
| 18:21.41 | nid0 | Wolfie, install the ussd-widget from extras |
| 18:21.49 | nid0 | the device doesnt natively support ussd codes |
| 18:22.09 | Wolfie | bah |
| 18:22.21 | Wolfie | ah, it seems like my operator supports SMS disabling too... |
| 18:23.21 | N900evil | sms dkisable - why? |
| 18:23.23 | N900evil | oh |
| 18:24.33 | Wolfie | N900evil: disabling via sms, i mean :) |
| 18:25.27 | Arif_ | hmm |
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| 18:25.45 | Arif_ | is there a command to install all apps from the games category? |
| 18:26.12 | sar3th | shit |
| 18:26.23 | sar3th | i was updating a program when my n900 crashed |
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| 18:26.33 | sar3th | now i can't update it anymore, advice? |
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| 18:26.50 | javispedro | uninstall and install latest. |
| 18:27.00 | sar3th | hmk |
| 18:27.02 | Pillum | yay! my accmeter is working again :) |
| 18:27.11 | n00bmonk3y | w0000p |
| 18:27.22 | Arif_ | installing games one by one is tiring |
| 18:27.23 | Arif_ | :o |
| 18:27.44 | Arif_ | there should be a checkbox like thingy on the right |
| 18:27.47 | Arif_ | or a CTRL A option |
| 18:27.53 | sar3th | Arif_: i agree |
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| 18:27.57 | Pillum | download them with your pc and install them all with apt-get |
| 18:28.15 | Arif_ | won't that take just as long? |
| 18:28.41 | Pillum | oh, you're right ;) |
| 18:29.08 | v13 | any idea how to play sounds with qt ? I tried phonon but it looses sounds. |
| 18:29.30 | v13 | (of course, the context is: under maemo) |
| 18:30.14 | sar3th | thanks javispedro, it worked |
| 18:30.21 | Pillum | but you wouldnt have to wait the time until you can install/select the next programm |
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| 18:30.55 | Arif_ | I'll just wait till Meego 5 till they finally implement it |
| 18:30.55 | Arif_ | :D |
| 18:31.15 | Wolfie | weird, no matches are found for "ussd" |
| 18:31.33 | Pillum | v13 : use the gstreamer api |
| 18:32.13 | zaheerm | v13, use gtreamer api directly |
| 18:32.31 | zaheerm | the phonon-gst backend is awful |
| 18:32.35 | v13 | thanks... I'm looking for some examples right now. bb soon. |
| 18:32.59 | v13 | zaheerm: it works well but it is very asynchronous. |
| 18:33.37 | zaheerm | you said it loses sounds |
| 18:33.44 | v13 | yes |
| 18:33.51 | zaheerm | so that's not good :) |
| 18:33.56 | Pillum | or you could use pulseaudio |
| 18:33.58 | v13 | if there is a sound in the queue and you send another one, then the first is lost |
| 18:34.10 | Arif_ | if you lose sound its not very good :P |
| 18:34.26 | v13 | it's the way it works |
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| 18:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what, you didn't sense the dripping sarcasm there? :P |
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| 18:38.02 | v13 | gstreamer requires gtk ? |
| 18:38.38 | zaheerm | v13, no |
| 18:38.47 | zaheerm | gstreamer depends on glib |
| 18:38.56 | zaheerm | just like qt depends on glib |
| 18:38.57 | v13 | that's what i meant |
| 18:39.03 | v13 | it requires glib's loop ? |
| 18:39.10 | zaheerm | no |
| 18:39.10 | v13 | (or how it is called) |
| 18:39.24 | zaheerm | it has stuff that will help you if you have the glib mainloop |
| 18:39.43 | zaheerm | but if you're writing a qt app, qt's mainloop can be told to handle the glib mainloop |
| 18:40.24 | javispedro | and actually is the default in the fremantle qt |
| 18:40.28 | javispedro | since they use gtkstyle |
| 18:41.12 | zaheerm | it's been in qt since qt4.2 |
| 18:42.03 | zaheerm | so that should not stop you from using gstreamer |
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| 18:42.17 | ioeee | hola estoy usando un traductor, tengo un problema con el N900: no tengo espacio en root y no me deja desinstalar nada, no me funciona ni dpkg --configure -a |
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| 18:42.36 | ioeee | Hi I am using a translator, I have a problem with the N900, I have no root space and will not let me uninstall anything, I do not work or dpkg - configure-a |
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| 18:44.36 | v13 | i'm doing this: player=gst.element_factory_make("playbin2", "player") ; player.set_property("uri", "file://" + relative_file_path) ; player.set_state(gst.STATE_PLAYING). |
| 18:44.38 | v13 | should it work ? |
| 18:45.22 | zaheerm | v13, assuming your qt has glib mainloop integration on then you don't need to theoretically do anything more |
| 18:45.54 | zaheerm | it should be absolute file path not relative file path |
| 18:46.00 | v13 | ok.. it worked once by changing the relative path ... |
| 18:46.28 | v13 | ok.. it worked once by changing the relative path ... |
| 18:46.36 | v13 | (oops)... still.. same thing. |
| 18:46.38 | v13 | it looses sounds |
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| 18:46.59 | Wolfie | has the angry birds level pack been withdrawn again? |
| 18:47.08 | zaheerm | v13, what do you mean loses sounds? |
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| 18:47.31 | v13 | it should play a wav when (let's say) i tap my finger |
| 18:47.37 | v13 | if i tap it slowly it's ok |
| 18:47.41 | rzr | someone pinged me ? |
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| 18:48.15 | v13 | if i do it quickly, then it doesn't play for all of them. Adding a "print" before the play function shows that it is called more times than the sound is heard |
| 18:48.40 | zaheerm | it sounds like what is happening is the sound clip ahsn't finished playing when you start the next one |
| 18:48.49 | v13 | well.. it hasn't even started |
| 18:49.03 | v13 | yes... that's it |
| 18:49.19 | zaheerm | so what is your intended behaviour in this case? |
| 18:49.25 | v13 | it is because of me. I have to do a set_state(gst.STATE_NULL) which stops the playing. |
| 18:49.43 | v13 | still.. this function seems slow too. |
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| 18:50.03 | v13 | any way to preload the sound so it doesn't load from disk all the time ? |
| 18:50.39 | zaheerm | you can do it with the pulseaudio api |
| 18:50.59 | v13 | i can't believe that *all* gstreamer-based sounds are loaded on demand |
| 18:51.53 | zaheerm | v13, gstreamer is not a sound server |
| 18:52.14 | v13 | you mean that gstreamer sends the filename to pulse ? |
| 18:52.15 | zaheerm | v13, it is a media framework based on pipelines |
| 18:52.22 | javispedro | v13: the only api that can do this on fremantle is... pulse itself. |
| 18:52.30 | v13 | aaaaaaaaarg |
| 18:52.35 | zaheerm | v13, you can do the caching yourself by loading from disk into memory |
| 18:52.35 | javispedro | v13: and you'd need to implement wav sound loading. |
| 18:52.53 | zaheerm | v13, but you're better off using pulseaudio directly then |
| 18:53.22 | v13 | i don't see python bindings for pulse... |
| 18:53.30 | javispedro | unfortunately canberra will refuse to cache any sounds not in the system sound paths :( |
| 18:54.33 | zaheerm | javispedro, that kinda sucks |
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| 18:55.07 | javispedro | I guess canberra's author had in mind that canberra's target was system sound effects :( |
| 18:55.08 | v13 | what is "playbin2" ? |
| 18:55.13 | zaheerm | javispedro, libcanberra is more for system sound theming, rather than user specified samples |
| 18:55.34 | v13 | ah. found. it .. base plugin. |
| 18:55.40 | zaheerm | v13, it is a helper gstreamer element that plays media from a uri |
| 18:55.51 | v13 | ok... then i don't need that :) |
| 18:55.53 | MohammadAG_ | does Mer boot up with the watchdog enabled? or should I change into R&D mode |
| 18:55.56 | zaheerm | v13, generating the whole pipeline properly and managing it |
| 18:56.09 | javispedro | zaheerm: yes... still, seems like a very easy to use API for sound effects |
| 18:56.37 | javispedro | the alternatives are either gstreamer, or implement your own loader. |
| 18:57.10 | javispedro | and gstreamer feels very heavy for that. |
| 18:57.13 | n00bmonk3y | is going afk - w000p dinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnner |
| 18:57.50 | javispedro | (by "own loader" I mean libwavfile + pulse, sdl, etc.) |
| 18:57.51 | v13 | is there an alternative to playbin2 that loads from memory? or a url handler that indicates memory ? |
| 18:58.31 | zaheerm | v13, http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/pulseaudio/doxygen/ |
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| 18:59.31 | v13 | zaheem: if i see corectly, there are no python bindings for pulse for maemo. |
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| 18:59.56 | zaheerm | v13, you can do a pipeline: appsrc ! decodebin2 ! pulsesink |
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| 19:00.30 | zaheerm | v13, and handle the appsrc callbacks in python and push the whole buffer there |
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| 19:01.28 | v13 | phone |
| 19:02.32 | zaheerm | v13, you can use ctypes... |
| 19:02.45 | zaheerm | http://docs.python.org/library/ctypes.html |
| 19:03.03 | zaheerm | ugly but will work for the one function you want to use in pulseaudio |
| 19:03.18 | v13 | zaheerm: i won't do that :) |
| 19:03.37 | v13 | refuses, like a horse before jumping |
| 19:03.47 | zaheerm | that's probably your easiest option right now |
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| 19:04.59 | zaheerm | other one is to create or port python bindings to pulseaudio |
| 19:04.59 | v13 | I'll consider multiple streams |
| 19:04.59 | v13 | i'll try mean |
| 19:04.59 | v13 | i'll try i mean |
| 19:04.59 | javispedro | or just use alsa, which is what pa's author recommends for streaming audio. |
| 19:04.59 | javispedro | (on fremantle alsa -> pa) |
| 19:04.59 | zaheerm | alsa doesn't cache sounds |
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| 19:05.00 | zaheerm | only thing on maemo that does is pulseaudio |
| 19:05.09 | v13 | i wonder if pygame is any good |
| 19:05.18 | javispedro | but if you're using the PA API, you have to load the sounds yourself. |
| 19:05.28 | javispedro | so you could cache them already. |
| 19:05.37 | javispedro | unless you really want "last mile" caching (aka server side) |
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| 19:05.59 | javispedro | which is not very last mile if you ask me (only one shared memory "copy" less) |
| 19:06.08 | javispedro | ah no, maemo's pa doesn't use shm |
| 19:06.13 | javispedro | shuts |
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| 19:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | Useless javispedro. |
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| 19:13.31 | zaheerm | v13, pygame would be an option for you, yes |
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| 19:16.12 | MohammadAG_ | first nokia, now HTC, Apple Sues HTC over infringment of 20 patents |
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| 19:25.17 | v13 | fyi: pygame is better. |
| 19:25.25 | v13 | it is faster. not 100% ok but a lot faster |
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| 19:29.27 | Vanadis__ | which is better, mymenu or catorise? Is there any comparisation between these applications? |
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| 19:30.31 | mfinkle | can someone point me to how I could tell if my N900 is roaming (via code) |
| 19:30.32 | mfinkle | ? |
| 19:31.03 | GeneralAntilles | prefers Catorise. |
| 19:31.13 | GeneralAntilles | Vanadis__, they kind of offer different solutions. |
| 19:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | MyMenu aims to be completely customizable |
| 19:31.28 | mfinkle | also, how do I tell if I am on wifi or cell (via code)? |
| 19:31.33 | GeneralAntilles | Catorise offers a basic template that will eventually be customizable. |
| 19:32.22 | Vanadis__ | GeneralAntilles, afaik catorise is sorting the apps automatically and mymenu is completely manual, right? |
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| 19:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | As far as I'm aware |
| 19:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | though I've never actually used MyMenu. |
| 19:33.29 | Vanadis__ | k |
| 19:34.34 | Vanadis__ | well, i just want to set the icons as i want them |
| 19:34.52 | Vanadis__ | and not this shitty more |
| 19:35.17 | Vanadis__ | after installing > 9000 Applications it's quite difficult to start them |
| 19:35.30 | Vanadis__ | and terminal isn't a solution |
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| 19:40.59 | CHoSeN | where can i find some basic and vari info about x-terminal (commands) |
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| 19:46.35 | mgedmin | a Unix/Linux book? |
| 19:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | Google? |
| 19:47.13 | mgedmin | that'd teach you the principles of using a shell (quoting, variables, pipes, ...) |
| 19:47.28 | mgedmin | the actual set of commands varies a bit (although there's a common core of cd/ls/find/etc.) |
| 19:48.08 | marmoute | speaking about xterm on N900 any way to set bash as the defaul t? |
| 19:50.22 | v13 | except from changing /etc/passwd ? |
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| 19:51.06 | javispedro | I'm sure you all "where's meego on my n900" lovers are going to get happy with the "tear-free scrolling only in harmattan" bug closures >:) |
| 19:51.26 | lcuk | where |
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| 19:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, who cares anymore? |
| 19:55.39 | javispedro | :) |
| 19:56.01 | javispedro | well, half of tmo |
| 19:56.36 | javispedro | but not even pandora managed to get the pvr working under X :P |
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| 20:05.22 | v13 | Here is a summary: I wanted to have a sound effect so i tested phonon, gst and pygame. The winner if pygame by far, both in speed and simplicity. |
| 20:05.45 | javispedro | pygame uses sdl_mixer I guess? |
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| 20:06.04 | v13 | phonon can only play one sound at a time (it dumps core if you try to have two media sources). Gst is VERY resource intensive. The cpu goes to 100% (!). pygame is very simple and easy |
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| 20:06.57 | RST38h | gst is not for playing your own sound |
| 20:07.01 | RST38h | mostly to play mp3s |
| 20:07.01 | v13 | also, if you leave gst without calling set_state(gst.STATE_NULL), pulse keeps running... I suppose it keeps sending a null stream to pulse. |
| 20:08.26 | v13 | btw, pygame has very easy sound preloading: sound=pygame.mixer.Sound("aa.wav"); sound.play() ; sound.play() ... etc... |
| 20:08.41 | v13 | it is loaded in memory. bad for mp3s, good for sound effects. |
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| 20:10.27 | javispedro | sdl_mixer is it then :) |
| 20:10.35 | v13 | creates a clone of iphone's "slap me" app. |
| 20:11.07 | v13 | javispedro: i can't tell.. most probably :) |
| 20:11.32 | v13 | then again, isn't pygame a wrapper for sdl ? |
| 20:11.58 | v13 | "Pygame adds functionality on top of the excellent SDL library." |
| 20:12.00 | javispedro | yes, but sdlmixer is not actually part of sdl |
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| 20:12.13 | javispedro | but I just saw the dependencies. |
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| 20:26.16 | mece | wow.. easydebian install made my N900 crash.. for the first time ever! |
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| 20:29.19 | mgedmin | lucky you |
| 20:30.13 | mece | yeah. it was strange. I had to remove the battery to get it started again.. |
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| 20:32.23 | Arif_ | aww |
| 20:32.32 | Arif_ | my N900 only crashes its apps! |
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| 20:37.19 | Shapeshifter | So, I still don't get how to package a python file. I looked around, but while there is a complete and very broad python debian packaging guideline, I don't really see why I should read the whole thing :| I once packaged a normal make/make install C/GTK app I wrote which worked fine with the howto in the maemo wiki, but with this python app I can't get anywhere. I don't exactly get what apt even does with everything. I just have one ... |
| 20:37.25 | Shapeshifter | ... .py file and one .sh that I need in conjucntion with the python file. There might be more .sh files in the future. I thought I'd just stick everything in /opt/alarmed and make an ln -s /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py /usr/bin/alarmed (the app is called "alarmed"). But apparently there's even another thing, where you actually put stuff in the usual place (like /usr/share and /usr/bin/) and the optify the deb package. |
| 20:37.55 | Shapeshifter | This is all really confusing. And somewhat inconsistent it seems. Why do apps of a different language have different means of being packaged anyway... |
| 20:37.56 | mece | Shapeshifter. do you want to make a deb or upload to somewhere? |
| 20:38.09 | mece | Shapeshifter, somewhere being extras-devel |
| 20:38.12 | v13 | Shapeshifter: have a look at maegirls. It is in python and the packaging is simple and works well. |
| 20:38.25 | v13 | (apt-get source maegirls) |
| 20:38.51 | v13 | you'll have to look the "setup.py" and the debian/rules |
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| 20:39.52 | Shapeshifter | mece: I never worked with extras-devel, but that I guess would make sense. Is there a guide on how to use extras-devel with python apps? |
| 20:40.04 | Shapeshifter | v13: thanks I'll look at that. |
| 20:40.09 | mece | Shapeshifter, py2deb works. |
| 20:40.30 | adalal | anynews on the pr 1.2 release for maemo5? |
| 20:40.33 | v13 | the setup.py prepares a .tgz that can be distributed. Then you package it as a normal debian package using what is in debian/. |
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| 20:40.53 | Shapeshifter | mece: mhh, I'll look that up |
| 20:41.04 | mece | Shapeshifter, I Shapeshifter, I do it on my n900 |
| 20:41.43 | v13 | mece: I tried py2deb and i found it somehow not very flexible. e.g. it didn't have easy changelog... etc... |
| 20:41.50 | mece | Shapeshifter, you can unpack the tar.gz file, and then run debian/rules in scratchbox to create a deb. |
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| 20:43.21 | Shapeshifter | v13: btw, "This file is part of wifieye." is maegirls part of wifieye or did you just not alter the introduction in setup.py? ^^ |
| 20:43.27 | v13 | oh :) |
| 20:43.29 | v13 | yes :) |
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| 20:44.26 | v13 | ok.. it's fixed in svn now :) |
| 20:45.01 | Shapeshifter | ;) |
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| 20:45.52 | v13 | if you find wifieye or maegirls (or any other app) working ok, don't forget to vote in extras-testing queue |
| 20:46.33 | Shapeshifter | So... basically I write a proper setup.py for my app following the official python docs, and that gives me a tgz. Then, I can use py2deb (on the n900, not scratchbox, not desktop?) which gives me a deb? |
| 20:46.49 | Shapeshifter | v13: I doubt I need either, but sure :) |
| 20:47.05 | v13 | well.. that's why i didn't say "need" :) |
| 20:47.21 | mece | Shapeshifter.. errmaybe. |
| 20:47.22 | v13 | btw, am i the only male that finds a program like maegirls useful? |
| 20:47.34 | Arif_ | maegırls: |
| 20:47.34 | Shapeshifter | v13: condoms are sorta simpler |
| 20:47.36 | Arif_ | ? |
| 20:47.43 | Stskeeps | maegirls is what again? :P |
| 20:47.50 | mece | exactly |
| 20:47.57 | Arif_ | link? :P |
| 20:48.00 | v13 | eer... :) |
| 20:48.05 | Shapeshifter | v13: or do you use it to track several women you meet in your daily life? xD |
| 20:48.09 | mece | is easydebian supposed to mount dbus and pulse? |
| 20:48.20 | v13 | shapeshifteR: that was for the fun of it :) |
| 20:48.29 | v13 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/maegirls/ |
| 20:48.35 | Stskeeps | MaeGirls is a program to monitor women's cylce. This can be helpfull for a number of reasons, both if you are a man or a woman. <- typo |
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| 20:48.47 | Arif_ | just give them all the same perfume, they won't suspect you! |
| 20:49.05 | v13 | Stskeeps: what is the typo? |
| 20:49.08 | v13 | "helpful" ? |
| 20:49.10 | Stskeeps | v13: 'cylce' |
| 20:49.11 | mece | helpfull |
| 20:49.13 | Stskeeps | but yeah, that too |
| 20:49.15 | v13 | oh ! |
| 20:49.55 | v13 | arg.. that's in debian/control and i can't change that from here. |
| 20:50.03 | Arif_ | does it support more than one profile? :P |
| 20:50.09 | v13 | yes :) |
| 20:50.13 | Arif_ | great! |
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| 20:50.44 | v13 | well.. the original did, so i said.. what the heck :) |
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| 20:51.00 | Arif_ | a man made that program I guess |
| 20:51.01 | Arif_ | xD |
| 20:51.07 | v13 | me:) |
| 20:51.17 | Arif_ | well good job |
| 20:51.30 | Arif_ | multiple profiles can come in handy :D |
| 20:51.40 | Arif_ | ....not that I should know but oh well |
| 20:51.44 | v13 | i never used them except from testing, but... :) |
| 20:52.19 | wormsxulla | why are there no screenshots? |
| 20:52.27 | v13 | wormsxulla: ? |
| 20:52.36 | wormsxulla | of maegirls |
| 20:52.47 | v13 | where would screenshots go ? |
| 20:53.00 | wormsxulla | i don't know, somewhere :) |
| 20:53.02 | v13 | in t.m.o ? |
| 20:53.11 | wormsxulla | maybe! |
| 20:53.14 | mikkov | has somebody tested opengles with sdl1.3? |
| 20:53.16 | v13 | well. i'm not going to start an "announce" thread for that app :) |
| 20:53.30 | javispedro | mikkov: I'm just minutes from commiting my sdl 1.2 gles stuff. |
| 20:53.50 | wormsxulla | v13: being a girl, i'm interested in it (i wonder if it could be moded to monitor men's cycle, and stuff ;) ) |
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| 20:54.02 | Arif_ | mens cycle? |
| 20:54.17 | Arif_ | ponders on that one |
| 20:54.19 | v13 | wormsxulla: well... that would be boring... a.k.a. ssdd |
| 20:54.32 | mikkov | javispedro: so we can use GLES with sdl1.2? |
| 20:54.37 | javispedro | yep |
| 20:54.39 | wormsxulla | well, yes, actually.. there is a kind of cycle for men, too :p |
| 20:54.52 | v13 | only for non-single men |
| 20:55.00 | wormsxulla | :) |
| 20:55.04 | mikkov | javispedro: where I can find the sources? (after you've made the commit) |
| 20:55.16 | javispedro | in my sdlhildon garage project |
| 20:55.28 | Arif_ | oh that's why I have no idea what you're on about :P |
| 20:55.47 | mikkov | javispedro: cool, I'll check it out. |
| 20:55.51 | mece | mikkov, what are you porting? |
| 20:56.20 | mikkov | mece: I'll tell you if it works :) |
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| 20:57.11 | mece | mikkov, nice. I've been working on lordsawar btw. could have worked right away if glibmm would not have been crippled... |
| 20:57.13 | v13 | anyone ever used QLCDNumber in maemo? |
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| 21:00.54 | javispedro | mikkov: http://git.maemo.org/git/sdlhildon/?p=sdlhildon;a=blob;f=sdlgles/src/SDL_gles.h |
| 21:01.14 | javispedro | mikkov: the api is designed to resemble 1.3' but work as a 1.2 addon |
| 21:01.31 | javispedro | (only difference is the createcontext/deletecontext calls) |
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| 21:02.09 | javispedro | also it should work with both gles1.1 and gles2.0 (unlike sdl1.3 which is gles1.1 only atm) |
| 21:02.24 | MaikB | Hello! Does anyone know if and how nick completions works with xchat on maemo? |
| 21:03.55 | javispedro | a gles1 http://git.maemo.org/git?p=sdlhildon;a=blob;f=sdlgles/test/gles1.c for example |
| 21:03.59 | Arif_ | hmmm |
| 21:04.01 | javispedro | well, gotta go for a moment. |
| 21:04.02 | MaikB | javispedro: Without know what you're refering to ^^, QPainter should use able gles-2.0 as backend. |
| 21:04.19 | Arif_ | can anyone help me in creating an application shortcut that has a defined icon and opens a defined web address? |
| 21:04.44 | MaikB | ... should be able to use gles-2.0 as a backend... |
| 21:04.46 | MaikB | sry |
| 21:04.57 | mikkov | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.34 | pupnik | irssi cpu use is too high |
| 21:05.55 | RST38h | remoo pupnik |
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| 21:13.43 | spider_ | Hi |
| 21:14.27 | spider_ | Is there somebody who knows how to reset/clean completely the OpenSSH installation on N900? |
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| 21:15.17 | spider_ | please |
| 21:17.51 | Shapeshifter | spider_: well, basically apt-get remove openssh, and delete your ~/.ssh |
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| 21:18.52 | SpeedEvil | And check nothing has set your ~ to 777 permission :/ |
| 21:19.00 | Arif_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=553014#post553014 |
| 21:19.01 | Arif_ | ! :P |
| 21:19.10 | spider_ | Shapeshifter: just done, but if I reinstall it, it doesn't ask me again for password!! How can I solve this problem? |
| 21:19.38 | v13 | the password is set in /etc/passwd |
| 21:19.44 | spider_ | ah |
| 21:19.53 | v13 | the password is set in /etc/passwd |
| 21:19.58 | v13 | (oops) |
| 21:19.58 | spider_ | ok |
| 21:20.50 | spider_ | so removing the corresponding line from passwd file should be enough, right? |
| 21:20.56 | v13 | NO! |
| 21:20.58 | v13 | DON'T! |
| 21:21.09 | nid0 | *facepalm* |
| 21:21.10 | Stskeeps | twitches |
| 21:21.16 | spider_ | :) |
| 21:21.20 | Arif_ | go ahead and do! |
| 21:21.24 | Arif_ | runs |
| 21:21.33 | spider_ | so, what I can do? |
| 21:21.39 | v13 | run "passwd -l user" to lock the user |
| 21:21.44 | v13 | what do you want to do ? |
| 21:22.19 | v13 | i mean: what is your final objective/target ? |
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| 21:22.20 | spider_ | v13: I want to reinstall OpenSSH and make it able to ask me again for a new password |
| 21:22.29 | nid0 | why, exactly? |
| 21:22.31 | v13 | why ask for a password? just to change it ? |
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| 21:22.36 | Stskeeps | passwd root |
| 21:22.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:22.52 | v13 | stskeeps: you mean: user :) |
| 21:22.52 | Shapeshifter | :) |
| 21:23.08 | Shapeshifter | i'm pretty sure it's root |
| 21:23.26 | cehteh | vipw |
| 21:23.35 | v13 | perhaps you should not have a root password until you understand the risks |
| 21:24.14 | Shapeshifter | v13: well, on the n900, with rootsh installed, I don't think it really makes a difference if someone hacks your root pw or your user pw. |
| 21:24.30 | v13 | Shapeshifter: unless it is a bot :) |
| 21:24.37 | Shapeshifter | v13: mhh, right. |
| 21:25.11 | spider_ | v13: why you said before : |
| 21:25.16 | spider_ | [22:20] <v13> NO! |
| 21:25.18 | spider_ | [22:20] <v13> DON'T! |
| 21:25.33 | v13 | because you'd most probably need a reflash after that :) |
| 21:25.37 | nid0 | because deleting the root line from passwd = bricked |
| 21:25.57 | spider_ | but nooo. |
| 21:26.09 | spider_ | of course I'll not delete it |
| 21:26.32 | spider_ | I wanted to delete the line concerning the "SSH daemon" |
| 21:26.46 | v13 | indeed.. there is aline for that |
| 21:26.54 | spider_ | yes :) |
| 21:26.58 | spider_ | it's the last one |
| 21:27.07 | v13 | i suggest userdel, |
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| 21:27.14 | spider_ | added for "sshd" |
| 21:27.17 | mece | wait what is going on? |
| 21:27.44 | spider_ | just done with userdel |
| 21:27.54 | spider_ | not I'll try to reinstall OpenSSH |
| 21:28.05 | v13 | but there will be no good in deleting this line. it is just used for setting sshd's userid for privilege separation i believe |
| 21:28.28 | v13 | there is a group for ssh too |
| 21:28.28 | mece | gah how do I get that stupid lock of dpkg again? |
| 21:28.40 | v13 | mece: close the app manager? |
| 21:28.48 | spider_ | mhhh....I think you are right....so where is stored the password for that user? |
| 21:29.01 | mece | v13, it's easydebian chroot. |
| 21:29.14 | v13 | the root's password it stored in root's line and the user's password is stored in user's line |
| 21:29.19 | v13 | just do "passwd -l user" |
| 21:29.34 | spider_ | :> |
| 21:30.00 | v13 | mece.. oh .. |
| 21:30.10 | mece | nvrmind. I'll just use synaptic |
| 21:30.15 | LiraNuna | woot, N900 bought \:D/ |
| 21:30.33 | mece | LiraNuna, yay! |
| 21:31.50 | spider_ | v13: after typing "passwd -l sshd" it just says "Password changed." <---???? |
| 21:32.01 | v13 | it locks the user |
| 21:32.04 | v13 | arg... not sshd... |
| 21:32.11 | v13 | spider why do you want sshd to ask for the password ? |
| 21:33.06 | Arif_ | forgetting passwords you dont use is easy :D |
| 21:33.09 | spider_ | v13: because I'm not able to login to SSH on N900 form my pc |
| 21:33.24 | spider_ | anymore |
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| 21:33.34 | v13 | write exactly this: passwd user |
| 21:33.41 | v13 | then set a new password |
| 21:33.49 | v13 | then connect with ssh, with username "user" |
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| 21:34.13 | mece | "preparing packages" reminds me of "What are you preparing? You're always preparing! Just go!" |
| 21:34.55 | Arif_ | lol |
| 21:35.08 | Arif_ | wonder who said that....and where |
| 21:35.09 | Arif_ | :) |
| 21:35.13 | mece | feck! the lock is still there! |
| 21:35.57 | mece | Arif_, does this help: http://moronail.net/img/1976_we_aint_found_shit |
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| 21:36.06 | spider_ | v13: ok, I have solved. when you connect from pc to N900 it asks for "root" password, so on N900 you need to change the pass for root user |
| 21:36.16 | v13 | no it doesn't |
| 21:36.27 | v13 | you specify what user you want in your client. |
| 21:36.28 | Arif_ | =p |
| 21:36.34 | v13 | so say you want "user" |
| 21:36.39 | v13 | (in your ssh client) |
| 21:36.57 | spider_ | like: user@192.168.x.x ? |
| 21:37.03 | pupnik | zoutube needs "copy current video url" |
| 21:37.10 | v13 | if you're @ linux/unix then yes |
| 21:37.25 | v13 | if you use putty then it asks at login |
| 21:39.15 | spider_ | v13: last question...is there a way to avoid every time that the client asks for password to connect to N900? |
| 21:39.23 | v13 | yes |
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| 21:39.26 | v13 | :) |
| 21:39.27 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1COcy40b_c&feature=sub Demonstration of instant loading of games from SD card, abiword, pdf, filebrowser, battery life looking to be 10 hours plus (pandora) |
| 21:39.44 | spider_ | v13: ssh-agent? |
| 21:39.49 | mmgcs | newbie question... is there a way to test MfE using the sdk emulator, there aren't any service providers and i assume it has something to do with the operator and country code not be sent?? |
| 21:40.01 | v13 | spider_: either ssh-agent or public-key. I prefer public-key. |
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| 21:40.18 | SpeedEvil | spider_: copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub phone:~/.ssh/authorised_keys |
| 21:40.31 | SpeedEvil | spider_: and ensure authorised_keys has permissions 600 |
| 21:40.32 | mikkov | javispedro: gles1 test program fails for me, gles2 works |
| 21:40.51 | javispedro | mikkov: yes, just noticed that, commited too fast. |
| 21:40.54 | mece | hmm apparently I had to remove /var/lib/dpkg/triggers dir and mkdir it again. then it worked. weird. |
| 21:41.18 | spider_ | ah here is it! it was the permission step I missed! :) |
| 21:41.49 | spider_ | many thx guys! |
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| 21:43.45 | SpeedEvil | spider_: also ~ has to not have group or world write - though this will not usually be a problem. |
| 21:44.19 | javispedro | mikkov: but do you like the general idea? only missing to public API would be a SDL_GL_Set/GetAttribute-like API. |
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| 21:47.42 | Arkenoi | are addressbook and calendar applications opensource? |
| 21:49.38 | Shapeshifter | http://stuff.moritzg.ch/gprsdataresetter Here's a simple script I wrote that resets the gprs data counter. It _should_ set the "last reset date" but for some reason it shows up as "Never" in the settings, if I use this script. Any clues why? If I compare 'gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS' before and after using my script or the "reset" button in the settings, I don't see any difference. The gprs_reset_time I ... |
| 21:49.44 | Shapeshifter | ... set is valid |
| 21:52.06 | mikkov | javispedro: yes, I think this is very good, better than other options |
| 21:52.37 | javispedro | better than bare xlib :) |
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| 21:55.41 | admiral0 | hi |
| 21:55.47 | admiral0 | news about kexec? |
| 21:57.17 | wiretapped | lol @ http://maemo.nokia.com/img/header-discoverthefox.png |
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| 21:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | Through Ovi Store |
| 21:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | Such fail. |
| 21:58.24 | lardman | evening |
| 21:58.28 | javispedro | I guess you did watch this video already? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWz7ChHaXtE |
| 21:58.35 | javispedro | (Discover the Fox - Firefox on Nokia N900) |
| 21:58.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, lardman. |
| 21:59.02 | Shapeshifter | v13: what does this line do? "# $Id: setup.py 2266 2010-02-21 19:33:27Z v13 $" |
| 21:59.05 | lardman | hey GeneralAntilles |
| 21:59.14 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: it's a comment |
| 21:59.21 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: well I know that. ;) |
| 21:59.22 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: at least in most languages |
| 21:59.31 | Shapeshifter | should not have said "does" |
| 21:59.36 | Shapeshifter | rather, "means". |
| 22:00.24 | Shapeshifter | I mean, I also see it's the name of the file, some sort of revision maybe, a date and his name... but why? |
| 22:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, the maemo.org logo in there is a bit ironic. |
| 22:01.04 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: the entire ad is weird. |
| 22:01.11 | v13 | Shapeshifter: It's from the svn. just ignore it. it's useful for knowing what revision is this file from. |
| 22:01.13 | javispedro | I wonder what it tries to .. symbolize. |
| 22:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, apparently Mozilla employees are all moles? |
| 22:01.35 | spider_ | Firefox is still too slow compared to MicroB |
| 22:01.56 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I understood the opposite: that all Nokia employees (and maemo.org) are moles, working underground for the only Mozilla employee. |
| 22:02.07 | Shapeshifter | v13: I see |
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| 22:02.47 | v13 | Shapeshifter: fwiw, it says: setup.py revision 2266 changes 2010-02-21 19:33:27Z by v13 |
| 22:02.50 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, who only does QA? :D |
| 22:03.16 | pupnik | zoutube also cannot accept youtube urls directly |
| 22:03.27 | javispedro | heh, if his paws allow him to do qa :) |
| 22:03.33 | Shapeshifter | v13: mhh |
| 22:04.20 | SpeedEvil | Firefox is often faster than microb I find |
| 22:04.28 | SpeedEvil | even usually, on slower networks |
| 22:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I bet they work great on the capacitive N900+1. :rolleyes: |
| 22:04.44 | javispedro | wonders where is the maemo.org underground mole base |
| 22:04.52 | javispedro | in Finland for sure, since it's all snowy >:) |
| 22:04.58 | spider_ | SpeedEvil: really? faster than MicroB? |
| 22:05.04 | SpeedEvil | spider_: yes. |
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| 22:05.33 | SpeedEvil | spider_: forex ~20%-30% faster at painting www.ebay.com www.slashdot.com |
| 22:05.50 | SpeedEvil | spider_: especially if you kill microb first |
| 22:05.59 | spider_ | mmhh...maybe downloading webpages...but opening windows, options and so on I found it slower |
| 22:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | Only because the Gecko is newer. |
| 22:06.17 | SpeedEvil | spider_: perhaps - in some ways. Tabs is a great speedup for me |
| 22:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | PR1.2 may catch up. |
| 22:06.33 | spider_ | yeah, I agree |
| 22:06.39 | Shapeshifter | uhm |
| 22:06.43 | SpeedEvil | The task manager blows in general - which is the larger problem |
| 22:06.47 | GeneralAntilles | Fennec has a newer, faster engine, MicroB has the faster native UI. |
| 22:06.53 | SpeedEvil | you can't flip between windows. |
| 22:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, somebody has a patched h-d running around somewhere. |
| 22:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, do you have the camera key/proximity daemon installed? |
| 22:07.40 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yes. camkeyd IIRC |
| 22:08.03 | Shapeshifter | so, in which repo is this firefox. I can't seem to find it |
| 22:08.07 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JxD0l2uPo |
| 22:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, Ovi Store :rolleyes: |
| 22:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | Because the Mozilla people are lazy bastards. |
| 22:09.25 | Shapeshifter | pff |
| 22:09.28 | Shapeshifter | :3 |
| 22:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, seriously. |
| 22:10.07 | javispedro | I guess Nokia may have played a part in this. |
| 22:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | They couldn't be bothered to fix their packaging so they decided to distribute through the Ovi Store. |
| 22:10.20 | Shapeshifter | the firefox people should get their whole app structure sorted anyway |
| 22:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | Indeed |
| 22:10.50 | Shapeshifter | what a mess. |
| 22:11.29 | Shapeshifter | is only waiting for chromium to get a frontend to no-script like features (which have finally been implemented for a couple of weeks) to switch away from that lazy fox |
| 22:11.34 | Shapeshifter | (on the desktop) |
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| 22:12.01 | pupnik | what is better than microb Shapeshifter ? |
| 22:12.21 | lcuk | thanks matthew- :) |
| 22:12.29 | lcuk | is there a maemo tunes radio station :p |
| 22:12.48 | pupnik | with javacrap pausing it doesnt chew much cpu usually |
| 22:13.13 | Arif_ | anyone know if you can tell KMPlayer to play a file with a shortcut? |
| 22:13.53 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: mh? I meant, on the desktop, where I'm using firefox, I'm waiting for chromium to get a wee bit better to switch. on the n900, I'm using microb. I don't find it that bad. Tad slow really |
| 22:14.23 | Shapeshifter | which is to be expected |
| 22:15.28 | n00bmonk3y | blinks |
| 22:20.40 | javispedro | you all need to play a bit with a n810. |
| 22:20.44 | javispedro | if you say "microb is slow". |
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| 22:22.14 | javispedro | wonders which wikipedia admin allowed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#PS3_Date_Controversy |
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| 22:24.15 | Stskeeps | wtf |
| 22:25.00 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: guess so. It's still like 5-50 times slower then anything I have on my lap top. I'd still say mobile computing sucks big time. The n900 is actually my first mobile on contract that does more then just SMS... |
| 22:25.06 | pupnik | heh true javispedro |
| 22:25.28 | Shapeshifter | it's pretty decent. Actually, I love it :D Still, it's relatively bad. Or, far away of what I'd like to have |
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| 22:27.20 | ClaesBas | Does anybody here know howto get Ã
ÃÃ to work (UTF-8) with OpenSSH from the N900 to "screen:ed irssi"? |
| 22:27.37 | v13 | javispedro: that article is not locked in any way, so there was no need for "allowing". You can change it yourself :) |
| 22:27.37 | nid0 | the n900's browsing experience is the first i've found that stands up against my archos imt (which is really nice to browse with), so things are at least going in the right direction |
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| 22:28.36 | javispedro | v13: if I delete the entire paragraph (which is the only real solution) the only thing I'm going to create is a flame war. |
| 22:28.42 | javispedro | s/paragraph/section |
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| 22:29.32 | nid0 | I saved you the trouble. |
| 22:29.37 | javispedro | speaking about flames, piracy thread in tmo. |
| 22:29.48 | Arif_ | lol |
| 22:30.03 | v13 | javispedro: I believe it is ok if you delete it and move it in the "discussion" page |
| 22:30.22 | javispedro | nid0: well, thanks :D |
| 22:30.24 | Arif_ | piracy is bad 'mkay |
| 22:30.26 | Arif_ | =P |
| 22:30.54 | luke-jr | yes, please do not kill innocent people while you raid their ships at high seas |
| 22:30.56 | luke-jr | :( |
| 22:32.40 | javispedro | ah, the entire article's been trolled now |
| 22:32.40 | luke-jr | javispedro: why not allow it? |
| 22:32.56 | javispedro | luke-jr: did you really read it? |
| 22:33.00 | luke-jr | javispedro: yeah |
| 22:33.12 | luke-jr | it gets slightly off-topic, but other than that... |
| 22:33.23 | javispedro | "sligthly"? |
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| 22:33.34 | luke-jr | wait |
| 22:33.35 | luke-jr | PS3 |
| 22:33.38 | luke-jr | that isn't ARM... |
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| 22:36.07 | Xisdibik | Heya everyone |
| 22:36.23 | Arif_ | hai |
| 22:36.36 | Xisdibik | hows everyone today? |
| 22:36.44 | Arif_ | productive |
| 22:36.55 | Arif_ | I saved myself a lot of time today :P |
| 22:37.14 | pupnik | http://www.pygame.org/project-Barbie+Seahorse+Adventures-406-.html nice side scroller in pygame |
| 22:37.26 | Xisdibik | Barbie |
| 22:37.27 | Xisdibik | sounds scary |
| 22:37.35 | Arif_ | yes |
| 22:37.38 | Arif_ | port it to maemo! |
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| 22:38.05 | Xisdibik | Arif_: ive been productive today at work too, its 2:30 and im finally eating lunch. Wish i didnt have to be productive today though as its my birthday. |
| 22:38.14 | Arif_ | oh |
| 22:38.16 | Arif_ | I don't work |
| 22:38.31 | Arif_ | oh sorry to hear you got old ;( |
| 22:38.32 | Arif_ | er |
| 22:38.37 | Xisdibik | heh |
| 22:38.39 | Xisdibik | 25 isnt that old! |
| 22:38.45 | SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: yes it is. |
| 22:38.47 | Arif_ | wow |
| 22:38.52 | Arif_ | I'm not even 20! |
| 22:38.57 | Xisdibik | heh |
| 22:39.10 | Xisdibik | you young whippersnappers! |
| 22:39.10 | Arif_ | there you go |
| 22:39.22 | Xisdibik | why i remember when i was young, we had to walk 20 miles in the snow, with no shoes, just to get to school |
| 22:39.38 | Arif_ | good luck finding snow in .nl |
| 22:39.57 | Xisdibik | heh |
| 22:40.04 | Xisdibik | good luck finding snow in Berkeley California :P |
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| 22:40.15 | Xisdibik | theres snow here about once every 50 years |
| 22:40.19 | Arif_ | I walk 100m to the bus stop |
| 22:40.23 | Arif_ | that's far too :( |
| 22:40.35 | Xisdibik | I drive for about 1.5 miles to a subway station |
| 22:40.40 | Xisdibik | and then take the subway for 30-45 minutes to work |
| 22:40.51 | Arif_ | I take the bus for 45 minutes |
| 22:40.56 | Arif_ | then the metro for 10 minutes |
| 22:40.59 | Arif_ | to go to school ;( |
| 22:41.08 | Arif_ | damn uni :P |
| 22:41.11 | Arif_ | it should be closer! |
| 22:41.27 | v13 | pytowerdefense ??? |
| 22:41.28 | SpeedEvil | Arif_: Live in a toilet. |
| 22:41.29 | Xisdibik | to get to school i drive to the subway station, then take the subway for 1 hour, and then take a school shuttle for 15 minutes |
| 22:41.31 | Xisdibik | :) |
| 22:41.34 | v13 | ok.. that's a good one for n900 most probably :) |
| 22:41.44 | Arif_ | shuttle? |
| 22:41.58 | Xisdibik | like a bus, but it only stops at the subway station, and the school |
| 22:42.05 | Arif_ | aw |
| 22:42.06 | v13 | (that one: http://www.pygame.org/project-PyTowerDefense-1332-.html) |
| 22:42.11 | Arif_ | I was imagining you flying around the moon |
| 22:42.11 | pupnik | i think we have a towerdefense clone, no v13 ? |
| 22:42.23 | v13 | ? |
| 22:42.28 | v13 | which is that ? |
| 22:42.40 | v13 | slow |
| 22:42.50 | Xisdibik | fast |
| 22:43.23 | Xisdibik | I would love to seen Bloons Tower Defense 1-4 ported to Maemo |
| 22:43.42 | Arif_ | I'd like to see all games ported |
| 22:43.46 | Arif_ | you can never have enough games |
| 22:44.03 | Xisdibik | i could do without Hello Kitty Island Adventure |
| 22:44.15 | Arif_ | pff |
| 22:44.19 | Arif_ | hello kitty is cute :D |
| 22:44.31 | luke-jr | Arif_: I'll port Armagetron if you get me a N900 ;p |
| 22:44.32 | Xisdibik | I prefer Totoro |
| 22:44.41 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: u still dont have one yet? |
| 22:44.45 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: nope |
| 22:44.52 | Arif_ | luke-jr, it took me 2 months to get my own |
| 22:44.56 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: cant you second mortgage your soul to the devil for one? |
| 22:45.00 | pupnik | impressive number of pygame projects |
| 22:45.01 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: not worth it |
| 22:45.10 | nid0 | sure it is |
| 22:45.16 | Arif_ | at the end I gave up |
| 22:45.23 | Arif_ | and got one 2nd hand |
| 22:45.24 | Arif_ | :P |
| 22:45.40 | nid0 | took me about 2 months to get as well thanks to shitty o2 being shit :< |
| 22:46.06 | luke-jr | why get a device with 256 MB RAM when devices with 1 GB RAM are coming out? |
| 22:46.14 | pupnik | v13: i seem to recall a thread on t.m.o |
| 22:46.15 | luke-jr | especially when it's such a steep price |
| 22:46.23 | Arif_ | because they run javadroid? |
| 22:46.27 | luke-jr | Arif_: and? |
| 22:46.32 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: because i want you to port Armagetron to it so i can play |
| 22:46.33 | nid0 | I hear amount of ram === the only thing needed to make a good phone? |
| 22:46.38 | nid0 | owait. |
| 22:46.39 | Arif_ | they don't like streaming video :* |
| 22:46.47 | luke-jr | Arif_: I would only tolerate Maemo to port Armagetron for you. after that, Maemo gets wiped |
| 22:46.56 | Arif_ | lol |
| 22:46.59 | matthew- | uh my n900 is kinda not usable w/o external headphones or smth |
| 22:46.59 | luke-jr | nid0: nope, but it's a big factor; also, I don't want a phone |
| 22:47.01 | matthew- | :( |
| 22:47.02 | matthew- | sad |
| 22:47.19 | nid0 | phone speaker dead? |
| 22:47.20 | Arif_ | matthew-, because the speakers suck? |
| 22:47.34 | luke-jr | matthew-: I hear Nokia fixes speakers w/ warranty |
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| 22:48.24 | luke-jr | nid0: in any case, RAM is basically the only good thing I see in N900 |
| 22:48.33 | javispedro | RAM? |
| 22:48.48 | javispedro | I was going to say that RAM is the worst part of it.. |
| 22:48.48 | luke-jr | javispedro: yeah, RAM |
| 22:49.01 | Arif_ | I don't need 1GB of RAM to stream TV shows =P |
| 22:49.08 | luke-jr | Arif_: and TV shows are useless |
| 22:49.09 | Arif_ | what I do need is a bigger screen |
| 22:49.23 | nid0 | hd2 is the phone to get then if you want screen size |
| 22:49.25 | luke-jr | Arif_: exactly my point |
| 22:49.32 | luke-jr | N900 screen < N900 RAM |
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| 22:49.40 | javispedro | well, that is true too :) |
| 22:49.43 | Arif_ | I don't want crashdows mobile |
| 22:49.51 | luke-jr | nid0: I want at minimum 512 MB RAM, 4" screen, USABLE keyboard, etc |
| 22:49.56 | nid0 | dont fail at using it and winmo doesnt crash |
| 22:50.00 | luke-jr | Arif_: learn to port Linux |
| 22:50.19 | microlith | nid0: you shouldn't need to be careful with an OS for it to not crash |
| 22:50.25 | Arif_ | maybe I'll get a WP7 phone |
| 22:50.34 | Arif_ | when they port coreplayer |
| 22:50.35 | nid0 | and you dont need to be careful with winmo, you have to utterly fail at it |
| 22:50.38 | luke-jr | I hope Nexus Two is decent |
| 22:50.49 | Arif_ | coreplayer was so awesome ;( |
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| 22:50.54 | javispedro | it will still be capacitive and use android |
| 22:51.16 | luke-jr | javispedro: if it's actually free software for hw support, better than Maemo |
| 22:51.25 | microlith | fat chance of that |
| 22:51.35 | javispedro | oh, who knows. |
| 22:51.38 | nid0 | even my girlfriend's been able to use her hd2 for almost 3 months without so much as a blip from it, and shes the kind of person who technology just tends to break around |
| 22:51.45 | microlith | android has all the same hardware support issues maemo has |
| 22:51.49 | luke-jr | speaking of which, anyone ever confirm N1's actual software status? |
| 22:52.03 | luke-jr | microlith: Android in general, yes. Google's own phone... no? |
| 22:52.19 | microlith | luke-jr: google isn't special, it's just an HTC phone with google's logo |
| 22:52.34 | javispedro | luke-jr: interesting topic nevertheless. if you ever create a report, please post it somewhere :) |
| 22:52.36 | luke-jr | microlith: but Google set the requirements |
| 22:52.40 | microlith | means nothing |
| 22:52.46 | microlith | they spec'd it |
| 22:52.48 | luke-jr | microlith: means quite a bit, from what I see. |
| 22:52.49 | GeneralAntilles | microlith, +3 |
| 22:53.05 | microlith | they can't say "all the drivers will be open" and I suspect they don't care |
| 22:53.15 | luke-jr | Google required users to be able to root it with a documented method |
| 22:53.24 | microlith | for the N1, yes |
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| 22:53.34 | microlith | but that doesn't mean -anything- with respect to drivers |
| 22:53.37 | Arif_ | are there any external media players for android? |
| 22:53.59 | Xisdibik | heya GeneralAntilles |
| 22:54.00 | Arif_ | -external +3rd party |
| 22:54.02 | Xisdibik | how goes things? |
| 22:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, having a nice glass of Cabernet Sauvignon and playing Forza 3. |
| 22:56.50 | Arkenoi | No need to port Tower Defence if we were able to get flash mouse events working properly |
| 22:57.06 | javispedro | hah. |
| 22:57.58 | Arif_ | nah |
| 22:58.04 | Arif_ | flash is too batteryeatingish |
| 22:58.20 | lardman | night all |
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| 23:00.42 | pupnik | agree with Arif_ |
| 23:01.39 | SpeedEvil | The people doing gnash should see if they can get energy efficiency grants. |
| 23:01.56 | SpeedEvil | Cutting flash power use by half has to be worth several powerstations |
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| 23:03.09 | Vanadis__ | how do i manually execute the media player database update |
| 23:03.14 | Vanadis__ | ? |
| 23:03.32 | SpeedEvil | guillotine. |
| 23:03.36 | SpeedEvil | Or firing squad. |
| 23:03.51 | Vanadis__ | -.- |
| 23:04.02 | Corsac | mpf |
| 23:04.07 | xorAxAx | how do i turn on the mouse pointer? |
| 23:04.57 | xorAxAx | i need it for x2x |
| 23:04.57 | SpeedEvil | killing and restarting the tracker daemon should do it - but it has a watchdog - so it will reboot youre device |
| 23:04.57 | Corsac | ca certificates list is weird |
| 23:04.58 | javispedro | Vanadis__: tracker-processes -r then start media player. |
| 23:04.58 | Corsac | timeless_mbp2: do you know where the ca list comes from? (is it the standard nss list, for example?) |
| 23:04.58 | Vanadis__ | kthx |
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| 23:07.30 | Corsac | seems that the list isn't up to date |
| 23:07.40 | n00bmonk3y | hmmm anyone a pyqt person? :D - i R Need help! |
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| 23:10.39 | v13 | bb |
| 23:15.13 | Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: sounds like your having fun, im leaving work 15 minutes early (cuz its mah birthday), and going home to dishes and homework :/ |
| 23:15.54 | SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: Have fun! |
| 23:16.01 | Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: thanks :D |
| 23:16.03 | SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: Put some good tunes on, and wash to the beat. |
| 23:16.10 | Xisdibik | heh |
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| 23:16.17 | Xisdibik | yea |
| 23:16.43 | Arif_ | anyone know if you can hide icons from the menu? |
| 23:16.49 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 23:17.06 | burchr | GeneralAntilles: oh dear.. :P |
| 23:17.28 | GeneralAntilles | burchr, hmm? |
| 23:17.36 | burchr | GeneralAntilles: just saw the ML thread |
| 23:17.54 | GeneralAntilles | burchr, yeah, fun. |
| 23:20.13 | n00bmonk3y | grumbles...... Grrrrr PyQt Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 23:20.32 | w00t | n00bmonk3y: what's up? |
| 23:20.45 | n00bmonk3y | pyqt smells of poo....... want the detail? lol |
| 23:21.27 | n00bmonk3y | all i want is a message box.... (with no buttons)... just like hildon note, but they dont seem to exist in simple ways in qt :( |
| 23:21.37 | n00bmonk3y | so it pops up, whilst loading then goes....... |
| 23:21.50 | n00bmonk3y | or pops up for a second after loading and sys loaded for a second |
| 23:22.14 | n00bmonk3y | i dont see the point in forcing someone to press when i just want to let them know it is done... |
| 23:22.18 | SpeedEvil | make one massive button |
| 23:22.24 | n00bmonk3y | lol ;) |
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| 23:22.32 | n00bmonk3y | would work better then nothing :) |
| 23:22.32 | SpeedEvil | and pop it down after 1s anyway |
| 23:22.55 | acidjazz | when do the nokia nazi zeppelins come across the lands sending out zaps bricking our n900's forcing us to purchase x86 intel n1000's |
| 23:23.13 | n00bmonk3y | just bugs me, hildon and gtk have answers... qt doesnt and thats the 1 we are getting stuck with :( |
| 23:23.33 | n00bmonk3y | ok, tis also the one i started learning, so self inflicted |
| 23:23.51 | n00bmonk3y | slaps lcuck |
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| 23:24.05 | n00bmonk3y | slaps lcuk, after spelling it correctly |
| 23:24.13 | wiretapped | acidjazz: last thursday |
| 23:24.31 | Vanadis__ | good night everyone |
| 23:24.38 | w00t | you probably want a QMaemo5InformationBox |
| 23:24.56 | n00bmonk3y | raises an eyebrow |
| 23:24.57 | w00t | but I don't think PyQt will wrap that yet, as it's a Maemo specific class, and Qt 4.6+ only |
| 23:25.05 | n00bmonk3y | hmmm so wont work? |
| 23:25.25 | n00bmonk3y | i mean, now in my normall app :( |
| 23:25.42 | w00t | PySide will probably wrap it, but PySide isn't as mature as PyQt. I don't know if PyQt plan to wrap stuff like that - you'd need to ask them. |
| 23:25.45 | w00t | http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-maemo-4.6/qmaemo5informationbox.html |
| 23:25.46 | n00bmonk3y | ooo but looking at it, yes!!! |
| 23:25.49 | n00bmonk3y | i want i want! |
| 23:26.08 | n00bmonk3y | cheers woot :( - looks perfect, but still no answer for the now :( |
| 23:26.25 | w00t | no, but you know who to ask :) |
| 23:26.30 | w00t | wanders off to bed, as it's late |
| 23:26.46 | n00bmonk3y | hehe :) |
| 23:26.53 | n00bmonk3y | true i think |
| 23:26.54 | n00bmonk3y | do i? |
| 23:26.56 | n00bmonk3y | lol nite! |
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| 23:27.09 | n00bmonk3y | anyway where is qwery and lcuk |
| 23:27.12 | n00bmonk3y | qwerty* |
| 23:27.24 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12's disappeared. |
| 23:27.39 | SpeedEvil | he's gone for the operation. |
| 23:27.46 | SpeedEvil | He's gonna be azerty when he gets back. |
| 23:28.05 | arachnist | eww. he could at least end up as dvorak |
| 23:28.18 | arachnist | knows how to type on dvorak) |
| 23:28.18 | n00bmonk3y | lols |
| 23:28.22 | arachnist | :> |
| 23:28.32 | n00bmonk3y | i still need to learn how to type lol |
| 23:28.40 | zash | arachnist: :D |
| 23:28.51 | SpeedEvil | I have given up learning to properly type. |
| 23:29.06 | SpeedEvil | I'm at the stage wherre I can go 40wpm under the covers, which is fine for me. |
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| 23:29.25 | SpeedEvil | I want another keyboard though - with a trackpoint. |
| 23:31.57 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: im still lovin my spacesaver II |
| 23:32.27 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IBM-ENHANCED-KEYBOARD-WITH-TRACKPOINT-II-92G7461_W0QQitemZ290292972127QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item4396cf3a5f would be my ideal keyboard. |
| 23:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/ |
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| 23:34.16 | n00bmonk3y | hmmmm assuming you cant use pyside and pyqt at the same time? |
| 23:34.47 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: won't ship to me. Also the usb one has stupid extra keys. |
| 23:35.00 | n00bmonk3y | so this makes me more annoyed, hildon, gtk and pyside have an answer, and effing pyqt cant do it.... |
| 23:36.25 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, ah, too bad. |
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| 23:39.03 | kinetik | is it possible to change (or append to) the kernel boot command line on the n900? |
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| 23:40.24 | pupnik | >the guruguru board will be sweet |
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| 23:40.54 | pupnik | good q kinetik |
| 23:42.31 | kinetik | alternatively, knowing safe start/end memory addresses for the cmemk kernel module with the default kernel would be awesome |
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| 23:43.45 | kinetik | or a way to pass a bc-cat allocated buffer to the dsp for writing so that the machine doesn't crash :-) |
| 23:44.21 | kinetik | would i be better asking in #maemo-devel? |
| 23:44.24 | derf | I would ask felipec, but it doesn't look like he's here now. |
| 23:45.08 | kinetik | good idea |
| 23:45.38 | derf | It _is_ after midnight in Finland. |
| 23:47.12 | Lumpio- | Isn't that when people are most active? |
| 23:47.14 | SpeedEvil | Does he turn into a pumpkin after midnight? |
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