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| 00:01.25 | TriztN900 | time to work |
| 00:04.12 | Pillum | going to bed, bye |
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| 00:11.06 | SpeedEvil | remaining... |
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| 00:30.15 | corecode | is ther the terminus font for maemo? |
| 00:30.20 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 00:30.29 | Arif_ | Ovi store needs Paypal support |
| 00:30.55 | dassu | I have never used ovi store and most likely will never do so |
| 00:31.05 | Arif_ | Angry birds level pack 1! |
| 00:31.07 | dassu | maemo extras is a better solution imho |
| 00:31.09 | dassu | and free |
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| 00:31.25 | Arif_ | and all the burp apps that'll be released |
| 00:31.26 | Arif_ | \o/ |
| 00:31.45 | dassu | :| never cared about mobile gaming |
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| 00:33.52 | Arif_ | oh btw |
| 00:34.14 | Arif_ | I have a %99 feeling that that level pack will be on warez sites within 1 week |
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| 00:34.24 | Arif_ | as it's just a deb file being downloaded :P |
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| 00:48.00 | Wild_Doogy | me again~ can anyone recommend a video converter for Ubuntu? |
| 00:48.19 | Wild_Doogy | That I can encode vidoes for my N900 with |
| 00:49.39 | pupnik_ | handbrake is popular |
| 00:49.51 | pupnik_ | there was also tablet-encode |
| 00:50.02 | Wild_Doogy | will look them up. thanks |
| 00:50.16 | Arif_ | XviDs I downloaded mostly work on the N900 :D |
| 00:50.41 | Wild_Doogy | I have a .mkv |
| 00:50.51 | Wild_Doogy | movie is called Steamboy :-D |
| 00:50.53 | Arif_ | ah, those usually won't |
| 00:51.01 | Arif_ | Steamboy you say? |
| 00:51.10 | Arif_ | XD |
| 00:51.15 | Wild_Doogy | yes awsome movie |
| 00:51.33 | Wild_Doogy | I want to play it for my family via the video cable |
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| 00:51.44 | Wild_Doogy | I hope thats easyer than making a DVD |
| 00:51.49 | Wild_Doogy | cause that didnt work |
| 00:52.04 | Arif_ | plug in the cables and you're good to go |
| 00:52.34 | Wild_Doogy | well yes, that part is easy, its getting it to playon the N900 |
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| 00:53.07 | Arif_ | if it's in your own house upnp is also an option |
| 00:53.14 | Arif_ | but I don't know how to get that to work on Linux desktop :D |
| 00:53.26 | Wild_Doogy | UPNP as in streaming? |
| 00:53.31 | Wild_Doogy | XD |
| 00:53.33 | Arif_ | yea |
| 00:53.39 | Wild_Doogy | that could work! |
| 00:53.52 | Arif_ | is usually too lazy to re-encode :P |
| 00:53.54 | ali1234 | you'd still have to convert it |
| 00:54.04 | ali1234 | upnp just serves the same file over http |
| 00:54.06 | Wild_Doogy | VLC will get it on the network, but how do I catch it with the N900? |
| 00:54.24 | Arif_ | ali1234, there are upnp servers that transcode on the fly |
| 00:54.29 | ali1234 | for linux? |
| 00:54.36 | Arif_ | I don't use linux :P |
| 00:55.03 | Wild_Doogy | Arif_: you have a N900? cause then you do use linux :-D |
| 00:55.04 | Wild_Doogy | lol |
| 00:55.15 | Arif_ | I don't use linux on my desktop ;P |
| 00:55.16 | ali1234 | vlc can convert files too |
| 00:55.24 | ali1234 | but i heard good things about handbrake |
| 00:58.46 | corecode | wow where do all these crappy maemo apps come from, in the ovi store |
| 00:58.46 | pupnik_ | it is simple to use, with decent cropping and dvd reading |
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| 00:59.28 | Saviq | hi all, any way I can get conversations to work with a self-signed certificate? |
| 01:02.13 | Wild_Doogy | Just got tablet-encode |
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| 01:02.24 | Wild_Doogy | seems to be working great |
| 01:03.02 | Wild_Doogy | its encoding < realtime though :-( |
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| 01:07.11 | orbarron | does anyone know where I can find X11-->X.h in maemo5? app is looking for this but not sure where to find it |
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| 01:15.26 | cehteh | hey ... my n900 makes really strange internet connections ... |
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| 01:15.54 | cehteh | Feb 26 02:12:20 starmaster kernel: 'PASS-unknown:'IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.129.20.203 DST=78.55.252.22 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=42471 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=53036 DPT=44326 WINDOW=7766 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=0 |
| 01:15.54 | cehteh | Feb 26 02:12:22 starmaster kernel: 'PASS-unknown:'IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.129.20.203 DST=78.55.252.22 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=42472 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=53036 DPT=44326 WINDOW=7766 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=0 |
| 01:16.14 | pronto | neat, we can hax you now :D |
| 01:16.22 | cehteh | 10.129.20.203 is *NOT* its configured IP |
| 01:16.38 | pronto | i didnt even look at it |
| 01:16.44 | pronto | just being non-useful |
| 01:16.53 | cehteh | one dest is a chat.ovi.com and another some dynip in germany |
| 01:17.09 | cehteh | well thats somewhat fishy |
| 01:17.30 | pupnik_ | hmm i seem to be losing ability to generate screen taps once in a while |
| 01:17.56 | pupnik_ | sometimes requires reboot |
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| 01:19.44 | cehteh | mhm |
| 01:20.23 | kamui | pupnik |
| 01:20.44 | ShadowJK | cehteh, do you use skype? |
| 01:21.47 | cehteh | yes |
| 01:22.00 | cehteh | but that are not skype connections |
| 01:22.07 | ShadowJK | oh? |
| 01:22.28 | cehteh | and why does it grab a random IP? |
| 01:22.32 | cehteh | (source) |
| 01:23.00 | ShadowJK | oh that's a good question :) |
| 01:23.08 | cehteh | its in a 10.40.0.0/16 subnet .. but tries to pretend being 10.129.20.203 |
| 01:23.28 | ShadowJK | ack+fin set.. |
| 01:23.53 | cehteh | well this are firewall blocked packet |
| 01:24.15 | cehteh | sets up his firewall anew, years of bitrot made it a bit unmanageable |
| 01:24.47 | cehteh | well and one dest is chat.ovi.com .. i have a ovi account, is maybe ok (but why the strange source spoofing?) |
| 01:25.18 | cehteh | and the other one is a dynip on a german provider .. i have no friggn ovi contacts i am chatting with! |
| 01:25.40 | ShadowJK | I'd expect a great deal of funny crap from skype's p2p activities, especially the NAT-punching assistance it can do for two unrelated peers |
| 01:25.49 | cehteh | yes |
| 01:25.54 | acidjazz | Michael J Fox just holds his penis to masturbate. |
| 01:25.59 | cehteh | i can clearly see what skype tries |
| 01:26.07 | ShadowJK | nothing visible netstat on device? |
| 01:26.28 | cehteh | didnt tried yet .. just plaing on the firewall |
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| 01:27.55 | cehteh | nothing visible now |
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| 01:28.43 | cehteh | thinks he just cancels his ovi account... i dont use it for chat, sharing doesnt work |
| 01:28.50 | cehteh | servers are often slow |
| 01:30.16 | pupnik_ | There is a US patent 5443036 for exercising a cat by pointing a laser pointer at the floor and wiggling it. |
| 01:30.43 | corecode | genious |
| 01:30.51 | cehteh | lol |
| 01:30.54 | corecode | is there also a patent for scaring crows? |
| 01:31.05 | corecode | works very well |
| 01:31.12 | cehteh | and guiding airline pilots to the ground? |
| 01:31.22 | corecode | point laser next to crow, will fly away |
| 01:31.36 | corecode | didn't try other bird tho |
| 01:31.38 | corecode | s* |
| 01:31.50 | pupnik_ | i could use something to kill moles |
| 01:33.42 | cehteh | test |
| 01:34.03 | pupnik_ | see. the government doesnt have to make rational sense. they just take your money anywy, and create nonsense jobs. |
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| 01:37.55 | crashanddie | and non-sense rules |
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| 01:43.33 | cehteh | grr .. why does openvpn terminate even when there is a fine connection? |
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| 01:48.38 | homeasvs__ | I get an internal error when trying to load 'sharing' part of settings, and it crashes - anyone know what app binary that is so I can debug it, or how settings are stored ? |
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| 01:52.48 | cehteh | homeasvs__: thats is a quite much plugin stuff architecture |
| 01:53.19 | cehteh | did you uinstall some development plugins for sharing/telepathy/accounts whatever? |
| 01:53.36 | homeasvs__ | possibly, not sure, I've been using it for a while now |
| 01:53.56 | cehteh | try desinstalling what you dont need |
| 01:54.16 | homeasvs__ | I prefer to learn the architecture. No idea on the binary names, or where settings are stored ? |
| 01:54.16 | Proteous | deinstalling |
| 01:54.19 | Proteous | heh |
| 01:54.42 | cehteh | .. |
| 01:56.48 | cehteh | . |
| 01:56.59 | cehteh | abusing this channel for vpn tests :P |
| 01:57.21 | Wild_Doogy | haha |
| 01:57.51 | Wild_Doogy | What is vpn used for? I have heard of it, but dont know much avout it |
| 01:58.09 | cehteh | the dots come from the n900 switching between wlan and gsm |
| 01:58.13 | crashanddie | Wild_Doogy: it routes your traffic through an encrypted channel to a network of your choosing |
| 01:58.14 | openstandards | virtual private networking |
| 01:58.22 | cehteh | and me normally talking is my laptop |
| 01:58.30 | Wild_Doogy | so basicaly a proxy? |
| 01:58.47 | Wild_Doogy | but its encrypteds |
| 01:58.54 | cehteh | yes and you can switch between networks without interrupting connections (if all works well) |
| 01:58.56 | crashanddie | Wild_Doogy: in the same spirit, yes, excepted that it usually gives you access to the internal parts of a target network |
| 01:59.01 | Wild_Doogy | but it has encryption possibilitys |
| 01:59.16 | crashanddie | Proxies have encryption abilities too |
| 01:59.20 | cehteh | you can tunnel on layer 2 too .. |
| 01:59.23 | Wild_Doogy | oh so you can ping 192.168.1.1 in a manner of speaking |
| 01:59.47 | cehteh | thats more than that. means you can sniff your home networks from anywhere in the world .. but costs a lot more traffic :P |
| 01:59.51 | ds3 | cehteh: this is the vpnc stuff, right? |
| 01:59.54 | crashanddie | Wild_Doogy: for example, I'm VPN'd in to my work network. it gives me a new network adapter on my laptop (virtual one), which has access to 192.168.200.x in my London office |
| 02:00.03 | cehteh | ds3: i am using openvpn |
| 02:00.08 | ds3 | oh |
| 02:00.21 | ds3 | is it ipsec based or some other version? |
| 02:00.26 | openstandards | you end up with an up in the 10.4..... range isn't it if i remember correctly |
| 02:00.36 | cehteh | the default setup which comes with the n900 is a bit inadequate |
| 02:00.45 | crashanddie | openstandards: not necessarily, depends on the network |
| 02:00.53 | Wild_Doogy | so you can access your printer without port forwarding |
| 02:01.04 | Wild_Doogy | (or servers) |
| 02:01.14 | crashanddie | Wild_Doogy: yup. Print, ssh, email |
| 02:01.25 | cehteh | openvpn runs its own tunneling protocol, mostly tls/openssl |
| 02:01.36 | openstandards | Wild_Doogy, samba share without port forwarding over the net :D |
| 02:01.37 | cehteh | Wild_Doogy: yes |
| 02:01.39 | crashanddie | Wild_Doogy: and people don't see what kind of traffic I use, they just see encrypted data, on one single stream |
| 02:01.50 | Wild_Doogy | ok!! briliant. now I need to do a bunch of researching so I can use if for my robot |
| 02:01.57 | cehteh | and again with port forwarding you cant switch seamless between networks you have to reconnect |
| 02:02.24 | Wild_Doogy | wirless robot that uses a laptop for a brain (working on gettiing my N900 to controll it) |
| 02:02.28 | openstandards | you basically are given local access :) |
| 02:02.30 | cehteh | while newer ssh allows vpn over tun devices .. but it sux somewhat since its only tcp which is not very nice for tunneling |
| 02:02.39 | cehteh | yes |
| 02:02.49 | crashanddie | cehteh: lol... you'd want UDP for tunnelling? |
| 02:03.04 | cehteh | if it works yes |
| 02:03.08 | openstandards | cehteh, i know somewhat about it my bro use to have vpn on his smoothwall :) |
| 02:03.11 | cehteh | (with tcp as fallback) |
| 02:03.25 | cehteh | well i have it working now |
| 02:03.41 | openstandards | cehteh, how does that work then |
| 02:04.00 | cehteh | i guess better than anyone else who uses the stock configs for the n900 |
| 02:04.14 | openstandards | aren't udp ports opened when needed? |
| 02:04.39 | cehteh | what do you mean by that? |
| 02:04.49 | cehteh | on my server (home) side? |
| 02:04.55 | openstandards | server |
| 02:05.29 | cehteh | they are just open server on upd (and another one on tcp) |
| 02:06.42 | openstandards | whats the benefit of udp then i've never quite understood |
| 02:07.47 | cehteh | latency and in this way reliabilty |
| 02:08.05 | cehteh | for a tuneel you would otherwise put tcp into tcp |
| 02:08.26 | cehteh | which is quite bad because of its handshaking and congestion/windowing and stuff |
| 02:08.46 | cehteh | at best you have just bad turnaround |
| 02:08.55 | openstandards | i always thought tcp was designed welll |
| 02:09.13 | cehteh | at worst both tcp stacks start to oscilate and you get very flacky behaviour |
| 02:09.25 | cehteh | tcp is designed well (ok almost) |
| 02:09.34 | Robot101 | its designed to run over unreliable packet based links |
| 02:09.41 | cehteh | but its designed to provide a constant stream of data |
| 02:09.49 | Robot101 | and on top of that, creates a reliable stream based connection |
| 02:09.54 | uhsf | when asking a beautiful girl to say her number or email softly into my n900, what application should i quickly trigger to actually record the said number or email? |
| 02:10.20 | Robot101 | if you put tcp over tcp, stuff like retransmits and flow control make it /worse/ |
| 02:10.32 | cehteh | uhsf: the phone, dial pupnik's number |
| 02:11.30 | openstandards | am i right in thinking that udp would be better for sip? |
| 02:12.53 | Robot101 | for sip actually its shit; having unreliable signalling is a bad idea |
| 02:13.06 | Robot101 | for the actual voice traffic (rtp) its better |
| 02:13.20 | cehteh | . |
| 02:13.26 | Robot101 | you don't want retransmits, late data is useless for real-time |
| 02:13.34 | openstandards | rtp? |
| 02:14.00 | Robot101 | real-time protocol, for streaming audio/video |
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| 02:14.24 | Robot101 | a sip call (and jingle, and h323) uses rtp for the actual media |
| 02:14.29 | Robot101 | ideally over udp |
| 02:14.30 | openstandards | how new is that? |
| 02:14.44 | Robot101 | ancient? |
| 02:14.50 | cehteh | test |
| 02:14.53 | Robot101 | in internet terms anyway :) |
| 02:15.03 | Wild_Doogy | cehteh: working |
| 02:15.07 | Wild_Doogy | lol |
| 02:15.08 | openstandards | i don't remember covering that in college |
| 02:15.32 | cehteh | yeah i had some disconnects changed something on the config now |
| 02:15.45 | openstandards | i remember learning about the 7 layer network stack but thats it |
| 02:15.56 | cehteh | n900 on wlan here now |
| 02:16.10 | openstandards | i never did pay attention to that class thou |
| 02:16.20 | cehteh | friggen awesome .. xchat on laptop and n900 .. both connected to the same irc session |
| 02:16.33 | Wild_Doogy | -want- |
| 02:16.48 | cehteh | i can chat from anywhere .. and you dont know if its my sofa, from the toilet or somewhere else in the world :) |
| 02:17.12 | Wild_Doogy | wait..... you mean the SAME session, as in only using one name? not just same room? |
| 02:17.26 | cehteh | << laptop |
| 02:17.39 | openstandards | cehteh, using certs? :) |
| 02:17.41 | cehteh | < n900 |
| 02:17.49 | Wild_Doogy | haha |
| 02:17.51 | cehteh | openstandards: yes |
| 02:18.08 | cehteh | the n900 is now on gsm .. was on wlan before |
| 02:18.11 | Wild_Doogy | lol its definitly your N900. <s ar hard for the N900 |
| 02:18.27 | cehteh | f sym |
| 02:18.30 | Wild_Doogy | lol |
| 02:18.46 | cehteh | i made only one because i didnt want to tap that twice :P |
| 02:19.09 | Wild_Doogy | yeah, thats how I could tell it was your n900 |
| 02:19.10 | Wild_Doogy | lol |
| 02:19.36 | cehteh | so now lets see if it stays connected and switches back to wlan within 10 minutes |
| 02:20.47 | cehteh | goes on with the rest of the firewall config |
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| 02:21.23 | openstandards | how hard was it to set up? |
| 02:21.54 | cehteh | its was some pita the defaults work but are not as seamless when switching networks |
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| 02:22.22 | cehteh | so i had find out a lot of tweaks and scripting |
| 02:22.40 | cehteh | actually only a few lines but RTFM and trying costs some time |
| 02:23.19 | cehteh | but now it switches networks almost instantly .. no timeouts |
| 02:23.20 | openstandards | would this be consider secure, vpn and then ssh locally into my box? |
| 02:23.32 | cehteh | hehe |
| 02:23.43 | cehteh | vpn is already secure you could telnet into it :P |
| 02:23.48 | Xisdibik | cehteh: so it worked your on wlan again? |
| 02:24.13 | cehteh | not switched back yet .. i wait for the automatic switch |
| 02:24.47 | cehteh | but still working |
| 02:24.51 | openstandards | hehehe i've got more experience with ssh... i once used telnet to delete some mail from a mailbox and thats it |
| 02:25.44 | cehteh | i use ssh too |
| 02:26.00 | Wild_Doogy | ssh = FTW |
| 02:26.13 | openstandards | i like copying files over ssh its sexy |
| 02:26.17 | ds3 | ssh is nice but does the rest of N900 know about SOCKS? |
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| 02:26.29 | Wild_Doogy | telnet and ssh are similar in practice and usage? |
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| 02:26.35 | ds3 | no |
| 02:26.42 | cehteh | ssh port forwarding just always needs some setup and ssh tunneling sux a bit, its just a last resort |
| 02:26.44 | ds3 | ssh does a whole lot more |
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| 02:27.00 | Wild_Doogy | ok, thats what I figured |
| 02:27.05 | ds3 | cehteh: if only the browser et al supported SOCKS |
| 02:27.08 | KamuiN900 | sweet jesus |
| 02:27.13 | cehteh | ds3: yes, depends on the app but the icd framework and a lot stuff knows about all kinds of proxies |
| 02:27.22 | KamuiN900 | my phone has been running a bit slow as of late |
| 02:27.24 | openstandards | can files be copied over telnet? |
| 02:27.36 | ds3 | cehteh: really? |
| 02:27.40 | cehteh | switched back to wlan |
| 02:27.52 | cehteh | ^ that was n900 |
| 02:27.56 | ds3 | a lot of places block things so other VPNswon't work |
| 02:28.08 | ds3 | whereas a SSH session with SOCKS would work |
| 02:28.21 | cehteh | hehe i have vpn over port 443 |
| 02:28.31 | cehteh | (need no https server at home :P) |
| 02:28.38 | ds3 | then you are not using the GRE or the IPsec VPN? |
| 02:28.44 | cehteh | should work pretty well to tunnel out from almost anywhere |
| 02:28.50 | KamuiN900 | dude i pray for flash 10 soon |
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| 02:28.55 | KamuiN900 | flash is so god damn slow |
| 02:29.05 | cehteh | and openvpn can tunnel through a socks and http proxy too |
| 02:29.14 | cehteh | (i didnt configured that yet) |
| 02:29.21 | ds3 | wonder if there is any chance of using IP tables to redirect to through another connection |
| 02:29.36 | ds3 | can OpenVPN do a NULL (do nothing) encryption? |
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| 02:29.42 | cehteh | dunno |
| 02:29.45 | cehteh | dont care |
| 02:29.49 | cehteh | i want encryption :) |
| 02:29.54 | ds3 | you got loads of bw to spare? |
| 02:30.05 | cehteh | prolly yes since its based on openssl and openssl supports that afaik |
| 02:30.11 | ds3 | I'd just let SSH do the encryption and use openvpn to setup the tunnels |
| 02:30.17 | cehteh | encryption doesnt cost bw .. |
| 02:30.34 | cehteh | and it supports (and i enabled it) lzo compression |
| 02:30.34 | ds3 | it does if you add layers of them together |
| 02:31.06 | cehteh | vnc to my wifes desktop over 3g (1920x1080) works! |
| 02:31.16 | ds3 | you got the openvpn stuff in a .deb? |
| 02:31.25 | openstandards | cehteh, say if someone was piggy backing a wifi connection... if the person connected to a vpn you wouldn't know where their traffic would be going would you |
| 02:31.41 | ml-mobile | cehteh: I had it going to my PC over 2.5G |
| 02:32.01 | cehteh | openstandards: exactly |
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| 02:32.24 | openstandards | thats yummy |
| 02:33.11 | cehteh | currently i only tunnel to my home network and not any other traffic .. but i may setup a 2nd vpn on my server for getting any other web traffic |
| 02:33.20 | uhsf | you have x |
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| 02:33.33 | cehteh | then my service provider doesnt even see what i am doing :P |
| 02:33.38 | uhsf | you have xorg via 3g? |
| 02:33.51 | cehteh | vnc is not xorg |
| 02:34.13 | cehteh | its basically compressing tiles and sending them around (in a bit smarter way) |
| 02:34.25 | cehteh | its os independent, just a framebuffer |
| 02:34.42 | cehteh | imo slow for real work but good for support |
| 02:34.51 | uhsf | i will have to try this i find it hard to believe |
| 02:35.10 | uhsf | yes i thought it would lag painfully |
| 02:35.21 | openstandards | cehteh, good for downloading remotely :D |
| 02:35.30 | openstandards | right? |
| 02:35.30 | cehteh | well depends on what you are doing .. certainly not video editing |
| 02:35.45 | cehteh | but if you just click a few icons on the desktop it works |
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| 02:36.05 | cehteh | i didnt used it seriously, just tried to see if it works .. |
| 02:36.19 | cehteh | just when i am not at home my wife can call me and ask for help |
| 02:36.54 | cehteh | she one has the choice, linux with support or windows without .. she choosen linux :P |
| 02:37.05 | cehteh | so now i have to comply with that deal :] |
| 02:37.34 | Wild_Doogy | hahahaha |
| 02:37.48 | Wild_Doogy | interesting choise |
| 02:40.20 | cehteh | so .. tea and then continue with firewall .. this stuff rot since 8 years or so, time to clean it up and rewrite :P |
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| 03:19.40 | dassu | hmm, has anybody got the internal media player to work on Maemo browser? O_o |
| 03:19.49 | dassu | I tried apple trailers |
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| 03:28.59 | dassu | looks for it |
| 03:29.09 | dassu | found mplayer plug-in for maemo 4 |
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| 04:30.43 | qgil | good "morning" |
| 04:31.02 | luke-jr | qgil: lrn2UGT |
| 04:31.30 | luke-jr | http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 04:31.58 | qgil | luke-jr you lost me now |
| 04:33.25 | qgil | funny! I already learned something today |
| 04:33.39 | luke-jr | practical :p |
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| 04:47.10 | dassu | oke, so the mplayerplug-in definitely works but I still have problems with apple trailers |
| 04:48.00 | dassu | Nope it doesn't actually |
| 04:48.02 | dassu | no video |
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| 04:49.53 | Sargun_Screen | when do we get the cool features? |
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| 05:15.07 | crashanddie | classic: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pho/1618117557.html |
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| 05:25.12 | tank-man | he can dream |
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| 05:27.10 | crashanddie | tank-man: if he used to be a pro, how come he didn't go for any specifics? |
| 05:27.28 | crashanddie | tank-man: even if the guy has stopped being a pro 10 years ago, he should still have a favourite manufacturer |
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| 06:47.23 | crashanddie | yo, channel |
| 06:47.31 | crashanddie | can someone give me an nslookup of xkcd.com ? |
| 06:47.45 | crashanddie | The sysadmin is trying to prove he's smarter than m e |
| 06:47.50 | RST38h | he is. |
| 06:47.58 | RST38h | because he is the sysadmin |
| 06:48.05 | crashanddie | doesn't prove anything |
| 06:48.28 | crashanddie | I can own him in ways ten times worse than anything he can do to me :P |
| 06:48.39 | crashanddie | He's not even capable of spotting that I'm chatting on IRC over SSL... |
| 06:48.55 | aziwoqpd | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 06:48.55 | aziwoqpd | Name: xkcd.com |
| 06:48.55 | aziwoqpd | Address: 72.26.203.98 |
| 06:49.00 | crashanddie | thanks |
| 06:49.10 | crashanddie | that better not be the IP or lemonparty |
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| 06:51.20 | RST38h | http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride.php |
| 06:51.25 | crashanddie | aziwoqpd: can you do imgs.xkcd.com as well? |
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| 06:53.59 | RST38h | "The list of people who were blown up or poisoned while trying to do so is impressive" |
| 06:55.26 | RST38h | "I've seen one reference to storing it as a solid at 90 Kelvin for later use" |
| 06:55.40 | RST38h | (and the best part is, it is not from SCP Wiki) |
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| 07:02.05 | lucent | RST38h: nice find. |
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| 07:03.31 | Hukka | "Hydrogen sulfide, for example, reacts with four molecules of FOOF to give sulfur hexafluoride, 2 molecules of HF and four oxygens. . .and 433 kcal" Is there a typo in there? |
| 07:03.38 | Hukka | Like the k in front of the cal? |
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| 07:03.59 | aziwoqpd | maybe that's per mole |
| 07:05.10 | Proteous | kcal == kila calorie |
| 07:05.14 | Hukka | Quite explicitly does say just four molecules... |
| 07:05.17 | aziwoqpd | 433 kcal/mol sounds reasonable |
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| 07:05.34 | Proteous | what channel is this again? :P |
| 07:05.55 | Hukka | Proteous: #werebored |
| 07:05.55 | tekojo | Hukka just don't try that at home |
| 07:05.55 | Proteous | there was the mysterious ... part |
| 07:06.02 | Proteous | you can hide anything in ... |
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| 07:06.16 | Hukka | tekojo: If there's no typo, I can see why it wasn't tried even at lab specialicing in violent explosions |
| 07:06.30 | tekojo | first it stinks like hell and then you have a very potent acid that is used to etch glass |
| 07:06.45 | Hukka | Proteous: It wasn't a quote |
| 07:06.54 | Proteous | quote? |
| 07:06.56 | Hukka | Proteous: It was more like a pause in verbum |
| 07:06.59 | Proteous | ah |
| 07:07.13 | Hukka | Proteous: Yeah, dots mean missing words only in quotations |
| 07:07.14 | tekojo | yes, it looks like it would be a good explosion, and it most likely is per mole |
| 07:08.14 | Hukka | Not sure if I'll be bored enough to check that. I usually don't deal with energies in units other than eV |
| 07:08.45 | tekojo | Hukka where did you find that anyway? |
| 07:09.16 | crashanddie | anyway, leaving work, talk later |
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| 07:11.58 | Hukka | tekojo: RST38h's link a few lines above my comment |
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| 07:23.43 | Hukka | RST38h: That's a great blog, thanks |
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| 07:53.12 | mrmg | o/ |
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| 08:09.55 | Shapeshifter | tiemu hasn't been packaged for the n900, has it... |
| 08:10.09 | Shapeshifter | only ati? I'd love to have a TI89 on the n900... |
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| 08:11.16 | Wolfie | iirc there are two TI-emulators... or there has been, at least |
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| 08:12.06 | Shapeshifter | Wolfie: yeah there's tiemu for OS2008 |
| 08:12.21 | Shapeshifter | I'll try if the deb works on the n900. |
| 08:12.26 | adeus | ati-85 rocks :) |
| 08:12.39 | Wolfie | i might've been looking at the extras-devel |
| 08:12.53 | Wolfie | and, the ones i tried didn't work all too well :) |
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| 08:15.03 | Shapeshifter | oh its in the repo actually |
| 08:15.08 | Shapeshifter | or no it is not |
| 08:15.13 | Shapeshifter | it's just apt being weird again |
| 08:15.19 | Shapeshifter | apt is soo weird. |
| 08:16.01 | Shapeshifter | I downloaded the .deb and did dpkg -i foo.deb. it failed because of lots of missing dependencies, and then I did apt-cache search tiemu2 and now it finds it. But its just the local package. |
| 08:16.09 | Shapeshifter | I don't get the logic behind apt at all. |
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| 08:17.14 | Shapeshifter | and it still keeps repeating that autoremove will uninstall vpnc, although I installed it manually |
| 08:18.59 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: it's not installed properly |
| 08:19.15 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: if it failed on dependencies it's left unconfigured |
| 08:19.36 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: you have to install dependencies for it and configure it |
| 08:22.36 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: tiemu or vpnc? |
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| 08:23.09 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: the one that failed on dependencies |
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| 08:23.33 | Shapeshifter | sure, tiemu got installed half way or so (again apt logic I don't get). But I added the repo now which contains tiemu2, and am trying to install the chinook version. |
| 08:23.39 | Shapeshifter | it even seems to work. |
| 08:23.55 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: apt will install every program |
| 08:24.07 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: and then it will decide if it's configurable or not |
| 08:24.27 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: sure. I just think that makes little sense... |
| 08:24.30 | Shapeshifter | meh. |
| 08:24.31 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: if it's not configurable because of missing dependencies it will stop leaving it in inconfigured state |
| 08:24.35 | Shapeshifter | I can live with that anyway |
| 08:24.44 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: so you can fix your dependencies and configure it |
| 08:24.59 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: I think that's overly complicated |
| 08:25.16 | Shapeshifter | why not just "not install" if there are missing dependencies. why even bother installing it if it wont work anyway |
| 08:25.43 | jacekowski | because you will install it anyways |
| 08:26.06 | jacekowski | after solving dependencies |
| 08:26.11 | villager | Shapeshifter: you can fix deps with "apt-get -f install" without dependencies |
| 08:26.19 | villager | without arguments, I mean |
| 08:26.29 | Shapeshifter | villager: no I can't if I installed the package with dpkg -i |
| 08:26.56 | Shapeshifter | because the dependencies are _missing_ |
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| 08:27.08 | villager | Shapeshifter: so you don't have the deps in any available repo? |
| 08:27.36 | Shapeshifter | villager: I didn't at that point. I now added an external chinook repo and it had the packages needed and it seems like tiemu2 is working more or less |
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| 08:27.56 | villager | Shapeshifter: if they are available, then apt will find them and download them, if you use the -f option like I said |
| 08:28.10 | Shapeshifter | villager: I just installed it from the app manager. |
| 08:28.19 | Shapeshifter | nevermind! there isn't any problem ;) |
| 08:28.21 | villager | -f is basically a "repair" option |
| 08:29.01 | Shapeshifter | Imho, all this makes little sense and could just be left out completeley. keep it simple... |
| 08:29.07 | villager | and you don't need to tell it which package to repair either, "-f install" just repairs any unconfigured package, if it can, regardless of how you installed it |
| 08:29.29 | red | is there any decent sources for N900 desktop backgrounds (the kind that loop 4 desks and not those retarded single desktop images every place is distributing) |
| 08:29.54 | red | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201002/errord/Error.png |
| 08:30.43 | mece | red, http://www.n900wallpapers.com/ |
| 08:31.19 | mece | red, "loopable wallpapers" |
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| 08:39.04 | red | hah, most obvious choice |
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| 08:47.37 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:48.27 | red | hmm, my n900 been running real slow today and now theres 2x documents, camera, images etc in MyDocs |
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| 08:58.31 | tybollt | olrite |
| 08:58.40 | tybollt | git me some of that special 1.2 love now nookla! |
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| 08:58.53 | tybollt | you know you want to |
| 09:00.08 | DangerMaus | lol |
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| 09:10.18 | Stskeeps | morn wazd |
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| 09:16.41 | jacekowski | red: virus |
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| 09:26.31 | hrw | morning |
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| 09:32.18 | mtd | red: more than 32 files in one of those folders. search for stuff like that on bugs.maemo.org. |
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| 09:51.10 | red | mtd: more than 32 files in most of those folders and no probs before |
| 09:51.25 | red | guess ill try resetting the trackerd |
| 09:51.42 | red | will be a pain to re-index ~20GB of stuff but beats having duplicates |
| 09:51.55 | red | somehow I find it odd that this sort of bugs are still in |
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| 09:53.41 | `0660 | i haven't seen a fool proof use of inotify yet |
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| 09:54.50 | `0660 | i wonder if the problem lies in the kernel or the userspace applications |
| 09:55.07 | red | the indexing is a retarded thing in any case |
| 09:55.14 | red | there should be a way to set it on manual |
| 09:55.15 | pupnik_ | red ++++ |
| 09:55.23 | red | sup pupnik_? :p |
| 09:55.39 | pupnik_ | coffee. then going to stomp mole tunnels |
| 09:56.11 | pupnik_ | hmm no first driving off trash |
| 09:56.14 | red | i just mariofied my n900 desktop |
| 09:56.33 | red | looping super mario background, and positioned shortcuts, widgets ands bookmarks so that they would be on the playfield :> |
| 09:56.44 | `0660 | i would prefer a situation in which i would have no idea of the indexing even happening |
| 09:57.15 | red | `0660: well if you are using the phone when indexing happends you will feel it |
| 09:57.25 | red | it's like running vista on a 500mhz pc with 512mb ram |
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| 09:57.44 | `0660 | red, well, i would prefer to not feel it :) |
| 09:57.50 | red | id just like to be able to pick "play this folder & it's subfolders" from the media player :) |
| 09:58.07 | red | mediabox draws too much battery as a substitute player and skips alot |
| 09:58.31 | hrw | ~curse 'headset button' driver |
| 09:58.32 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, 'headset button' driver ! |
| 09:58.34 | red | it could index the id3-tags on play of the file or you could hit index |
| 09:58.47 | red | :D |
| 09:59.13 | red | ~curse native media player and stupid indexing |
| 09:59.13 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, native media player and stupid indexing ! |
| 09:59.22 | hrw | red: in short: |
| 09:59.27 | hrw | ~curse nokia maemo team |
| 09:59.28 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia maemo team ! |
| 09:59.32 | red | :D |
| 09:59.43 | red | now that was a fitting insult! |
| 10:00.16 | red | hrw: as it usually is with "smart" players, they aren't smart enough and lack possibility to turn off those things |
| 10:00.56 | red | only players with smartplaylists I've found decent were iTunes Genius (it really worked!) and XBMC media player where you can make XML based playlists "ignore folders with the word live" style of rules |
| 10:01.06 | `0660 | i think it would be too confusing for end users to have to index files manually |
| 10:01.08 | red | they are nice for not having to add each new piece of music into lists |
| 10:01.18 | red | but instead work on excluding stuff u dont wanna hear on a particular list :) |
| 10:01.58 | red | `0660: for real, you saying on a linux phone it would be hard for a user to make subfolders for like "rock" "pop" "metal" and place their music under those appropriately? |
| 10:02.13 | red | i mean, this phone isn't for the teens wearing pink and giggling at the mall |
| 10:02.18 | `0660 | i would sure like excluding live songs from default playlists somehow |
| 10:02.40 | `0660 | i would rather spend time listening to music than organising it |
| 10:02.42 | red | if they ignore to do so, the default could still be like it works now |
| 10:02.58 | red | id still like a way to set it on folder style play and not how it is |
| 10:02.58 | hrw | red: I have /home/user/MyDocs/Media/Muza with few GB ordered by artists/albums/ and want it to be indexed. nevermind how but indexed |
| 10:03.04 | hrw | too bad that tracker do no index all |
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| 10:03.32 | red | I just put my music into .sounds/Genre/Subgenre/ |
| 10:03.40 | red | and I'd like to be able to play via the "main" genres |
| 10:03.51 | red | cause my I have a vast collection all correctly tagged |
| 10:04.07 | red | so now I can't have a playlist with death metal, melodic death metal, progressive metal, trash metal |
| 10:04.14 | red | gotta pick one of those |
| 10:04.24 | red | even thought they are all under a folder called Metal :) |
| 10:04.41 | viukkis | you misspelled thrash :( |
| 10:04.44 | red | and same thing for Electronic music, and for some Rock with grunge, alternative etc |
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| 10:04.56 | red | viukkis: I do that every time :) |
| 10:05.06 | red | think theres a corroded spot in my brain where that word is stored |
| 10:05.21 | viukkis | makes sense |
| 10:06.23 | red | once again, tracker-processes --hard reset |
| 10:06.48 | red | heres to hoping ill have my library without duplicates for more than a week this time |
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| 10:10.00 | red | estimated time remaining: 4020min 30sec |
| 10:10.07 | red | >_< |
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| 10:13.01 | cpscotti | Someone really knows how to add a screenshot for your app at maemo.org; when the app IS in extras and all.. |
| 10:13.02 | cpscotti | ?? |
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| 10:17.08 | mikkov | cpscotti: go to your product page and the page->edit |
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| 10:33.16 | Khertan | Hello ! |
| 10:33.26 | Khertan | I see that ovistore as now paid content |
| 10:33.35 | Khertan | is it now open to developpers ? |
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| 10:35.54 | lcuk | Khertan, not sure think the process is the same as it was, but you can enquire and find out |
| 10:35.56 | pupnik_ | Khertan: i suggest you spend some time with mame "Space Duel". i think it is the non-plus ultra asteroids style game |
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| 10:36.33 | Khertan | pupnik_: Space Duel ? |
| 10:36.41 | Khertan | non-plus ? |
| 10:36.46 | Khertan | what did you mean ? |
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| 10:36.52 | Khertan | thx lcuk for anssias |
| 10:36.55 | Khertan | thx lcuk for answer |
| 10:36.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:36.59 | pupnik_ | atari, early 80s. coin op |
| 10:37.28 | lcuk | pupnik, arcade joystick console with real coin mech |
| 10:37.34 | pupnik_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Duel |
| 10:37.37 | Khertan | mine is a clone of MineStorm ... on vectrex ... an 82 game :) |
| 10:37.39 | lcuk | bluetooth + big screen |
| 10:38.03 | pupnik_ | and a fine clone it is... |
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| 10:38.39 | Khertan | thx |
| 10:39.53 | pupnik_ | our mame could use a lot of work |
| 10:40.30 | mece | gaah.. Vulture's Eye is hogging my time! |
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| 10:40.55 | pupnik_ | are the new colors better for you mece ? |
| 10:41.42 | pupnik_ | if you didnt notice a change that is good also |
| 10:44.28 | pupnik_ | .. |
| 10:49.48 | mece | are there new colors? |
| 10:50.01 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 10:50.08 | mece | pupnik_, I just recently started playing it, so perhaps I've only seen the new ones. |
| 10:50.14 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 10:50.14 | mece | pupnik_, never played it before. |
| 10:50.39 | pupnik_ | i think it works quite nicely. takes some time to learnm of course |
| 10:51.51 | mece | yeah.. well I've played "some" nethack in my time ;) |
| 10:51.52 | pupnik_ | if you care to, please take notes of ideas to make it easier to play |
| 10:52.13 | mece | pupnik_, do you develop it then? |
| 10:52.46 | pupnik_ | i would consider making some patches |
| 10:53.03 | mece | pupnik_, ok. cool. Hey is there supposed to be sound? |
| 10:53.13 | pupnik_ | dunno |
| 10:53.47 | mece | well there is no sound on my device afaict. |
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| 11:05.41 | xt | Is there any way to send/recieve styles (think colored text) in IM protocols? |
| 11:06.07 | SpeedEvil | hopes not. |
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| 11:06.37 | midas | n900 says no. |
| 11:08.54 | xt | :( |
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| 11:15.10 | w00t | n900 says 'colours make baby jesus weep blood' |
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| 11:23.15 | DangerMaus | hmm |
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| 11:27.45 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so, my mac panic'd trying to use zfs send |
| 11:27.53 | timeless_mbp | it seems that i have corruption on my hdd (surprise!) |
| 11:28.14 | timeless_mbp | is now going to try to run zpool status/scrub from an opensolaris vbox |
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| 11:29.07 | DangerMaus | heh hos you muck up zfs.. lol |
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| 11:30.22 | homeasvs_ | anyone know where I could go look for source code of the facebook-sharing-service deb ? |
| 11:30.31 | timeless_mbp | gets totally confused |
| 11:30.37 | SpeedEvil | apt-get source packagename? |
| 11:32.36 | zaheerm | homeasvs_, not sure it is free.... |
| 11:33.32 | homeasvs_ | zaheerm, me neither, which makes it harder to either fix it or remove the config so I can try again |
| 11:36.41 | zaheerm | homeasvs_, settings, sharing accounts, .... |
| 11:37.00 | zaheerm | allows you to delete your facebook account |
| 11:37.11 | homeasvs_ | zaheerm, yeah, so yesterday that simply crashed settings, now after reinstalling facebook debs, it doesn't crash but it also doesn't show anything when I click facebook |
| 11:37.15 | homeasvs_ | the flickr one does bring up a dialog |
| 11:37.23 | zaheerm | :( |
| 11:37.41 | homeasvs_ | it doesn't look like those sharing plugin settings are stored in gconf either |
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| 11:37.51 | zaheerm | i guess first file a bug in maemo bugzilla and then experiment a little with inspecting the binaries |
| 11:42.10 | homeasvs_ | ok, found some clues, signond is involved |
| 11:42.18 | homeasvs_ | perverse nokia, naming a file .xml and have it be binary ... |
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| 11:53.01 | wazd | heya all |
| 11:56.01 | mece | ooh.. samba in extras-devel. Nice. |
| 11:56.13 | jo-erlend | I'm a bit surprised by Maemos user policy. Why does it use a single user instead of a normal user and group strategy? |
| 11:56.33 | jo-erlend | and "user" seems to have a password set, but I don't know what it is. Is it safe to change it? |
| 11:56.40 | viukkis | it is intended for single user devices |
| 11:56.44 | mece | actually it's even in testing |
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| 11:56.53 | mece | jo-erlend, it has no password, and yes it's safe to set. |
| 11:57.04 | mece | at least I have a password, and no problems. |
| 11:57.48 | jo-erlend | can I set it up for more than one user and via privileges decide who can access 3g and phone, for instance? |
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| 12:04.06 | mece | jo-erlend, yep. |
| 12:04.15 | corecode | i need a mode to silence IM/email during the night |
| 12:04.26 | corecode | nasty to be woken up by mail that arrives at 3:30 am |
| 12:04.44 | corecode | anybody have a solution to that? |
| 12:04.47 | jo-erlend | mece, then I'd get a login screen on bootup, or do I have to install anything special for that also? |
| 12:05.18 | mece | jo-erlend, no login screen. |
| 12:05.22 | Lynoure | corecode: there is Silencer, that ought to set your phone to a silent mode for a specified time |
| 12:05.34 | corecode | Lynoure: yea, but then alarms won't work either |
| 12:05.57 | mece | jo-erlend, the phone will be exactly as before. only remote logins are affected. |
| 12:06.25 | jo-erlend | mece, ah, ok. |
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| 12:06.36 | Lynoure | My N900 keeps asking me to "Select connection" quite a lot, even if I don't choose to do any network stuff, despite me setting Internet connections->Connect automatically to Always ask |
| 12:07.02 | Lynoure | This is not quite what I thought "Always ask" would mean, though it pretty much asks always always (urgh) |
| 12:07.05 | mece | Lynoure, well if you tell it to ask, why would you be surprised if it asks? |
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| 12:07.20 | Lynoure | mece: any way to make it not poll for net all the time? |
| 12:07.34 | SpeedEvil | do you have any widgets on the desktop? |
| 12:07.36 | Lynoure | the battery drain this causes is significant |
| 12:07.38 | mece | Lynoure, by disabling the thing that polls the net |
| 12:07.59 | jo-erlend | hey... In N900, I try calling a number of the form #1234*. Normally, that's sent as a query to the operator. But that doesn't happen in N900. Any ideas? |
| 12:08.07 | Lynoure | mece: no setting for "only poll for net after asking me for an ok?" |
| 12:08.55 | Lynoure | SpeedEvil: yes, weather widget.. which is set for manual update only |
| 12:10.03 | mece | Lynoure, no there is no switch that forbids applications to ask for network access. |
| 12:10.34 | Lynoure | mece: I'm ok with the applications asking... just not the device trying to provide :) |
| 12:11.12 | Lynoure | Is there somewhere a setting for no phone and no wlan? Or for a plane, do I need to turn the device off? |
| 12:11.28 | Lynoure | ah, there, found it. |
| 12:11.44 | mece | on a plane you use offline mode |
| 12:12.03 | SpeedEvil | jo-erlend: it's a bug. Tehre is an app - ussd-widget or something |
| 12:12.08 | Hukka | Also during the night |
| 12:12.18 | Hukka | N900 really doesn't use much power without display or network |
| 12:12.45 | mece | During the night mine is plugged in the charger, so I wouldn't know. |
| 12:12.50 | Lynoure | Hukka: for the night I'd like the no-wlan mode |
| 12:13.09 | Lynoure | Hukka: because I still want to be there if my sister calls with anything urgent |
| 12:13.10 | jo-erlend | SpeedEvil, ussd-widget? |
| 12:13.14 | Hukka | Lynoure: Or perhaps 2g only mode? |
| 12:13.27 | mece | but umm.. |
| 12:13.37 | Lynoure | Hukka: if there were one? |
| 12:13.45 | Hukka | Sure there is |
| 12:13.45 | mece | 3g2gdual switcher and always ask does what you want. |
| 12:13.52 | Hukka | In the settings take dual off |
| 12:14.24 | Hukka | Lynoure: Certainly you have checked the ways your phone can be configured :? |
| 12:14.38 | jo-erlend | SpeedEvil, oh.. USSD is the name for those codes to be sent to the operator? |
| 12:14.48 | Lynoure | Hukka: öh |
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| 12:16.06 | mece | Lynoure, I'm not sure I understand this: "I'm ok with the applications asking... just not the device trying to provide :)" |
| 12:16.09 | Lynoure | Hukka: I went though everything originally... But had a 3G deal with the phone company then. |
| 12:16.32 | Lynoure | mece: you know, on linux there is a difference between e.g. pinging and connecting to a wlan |
| 12:16.43 | Hukka | Lynoure: Well sure, I have too, but forcing 2g only can save battery |
| 12:17.09 | Lynoure | mece: if the application asks to ping, but the system does not provice the wlan connection, it just fails |
| 12:17.10 | Hukka | Quite often the phone is on the brink of dropping from 3g to 2g, and then the constant reconnections can drain the battery |
| 12:17.22 | Hukka | Of course if the 3g is stable, then it just sits on the standby mode |
| 12:17.43 | mece | Lynoure, oh. I see. Ok so we're talking about searching for wlan. There's an option in internet connections search interval. set it to never. |
| 12:17.44 | Lynoure | Hukka: pretty solid 3g for me, so far |
| 12:18.11 | Lynoure | mece: hmm, I have not found it. Where? |
| 12:18.18 | mece | internet connections. |
| 12:18.25 | mece | settings -> internet connections. |
| 12:18.32 | Lynoure | mece: Yes, but not the Connect Automatically? |
| 12:18.33 | mece | the first screen |
| 12:18.52 | mece | if you have always ask, it will not poll. |
| 12:18.56 | Hukka | Sorry for pimping, but all the finns wanting to join netcycler.com and give me points (and save the planet!), I have invites :) |
| 12:18.57 | Lynoure | mece: it does. |
| 12:19.04 | Lynoure | mece: like I said in the beginning. |
| 12:19.10 | mece | how do you know? |
| 12:19.22 | Lynoure | mece: because that's how I have it set :( |
| 12:19.29 | mece | are you monitoring it somehow?? |
| 12:19.52 | Lynoure | mece: I know because it asks me "Select connection" pretty much every time I switch the display on |
| 12:20.06 | Lynoure | that's enough monitor to see it :/ |
| 12:21.41 | mece | Ok, right. So the problem is that you have an application that wants to connect every now and then. or all the time, and when it tries that, the dialogue asks which connection to use, and to do that it has to poll for wlan? |
| 12:22.04 | jo-erlend | really nice to use a/v with google talk, except I think it's a bit heavy for n900. It became completely unresponsive when I minimized it and tried to launch other apps. |
| 12:22.24 | jo-erlend | but it works very nicely. No setup at all :> |
| 12:23.08 | Lynoure | mece: would be nicer if it just asked if I want this activitity to get network automatically. But that's santaclausing |
| 12:23.57 | mece | Lynoure, and then disconnect afterwards or..? |
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| 12:24.08 | mece | Lynoure, I mean always ask means just that. Always ask. |
| 12:24.42 | Lynoure | mece: always ask would be ok too |
| 12:24.59 | Lynoure | mece: always poll for wlans, that's what annoys me |
| 12:24.59 | mece | Lynoure, that's what it does, but you don't want that. |
| 12:25.20 | mece | Lynoure, ok, there's a wlan switcher available somewhere. |
| 12:25.27 | nid0 | its in testing, works fine |
| 12:25.34 | nid0 | disables wlan entirely unless you re-enable it |
| 12:25.52 | nid0 | the connection screen will just give you non-wlan connection options with it disabled |
| 12:26.09 | Lynoure | nid0: ooh :) Can't wait. (or I can, but you get the sentiment...) |
| 12:26.29 | nid0 | its well worth enabling testing to grab it if you want to use it |
| 12:26.46 | nid0 | then vote it up in the qa queue if you're happy with it, to get it into extras for others to use |
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| 12:27.29 | Lynoure | nid0: I do have extras-devel active... what's the thing called? |
| 12:27.38 | mece | nid0, what's it called |
| 12:27.38 | nid0 | its in extras-testing, not devel |
| 12:27.47 | nid0 | Wifi Switcher 0.0.6 |
| 12:27.55 | mece | nid0, he means that he's not afraid of testing, since he already has devel. |
| 12:27.59 | mece | or she? |
| 12:28.10 | nid0 | current version wont (shouldnt) get into extras though, as it has no bugtracker link |
| 12:28.15 | nid0 | and the author's on holiday |
| 12:28.26 | nid0 | but iv been using it a couple of weeks and had 0 problems |
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| 12:29.27 | Lynoure | mece: he or she is fine. Female, but way attached to gender neutral pronouns as that's all my native tongue has. |
| 12:29.43 | nid0 | it? |
| 12:30.13 | mece | hän? |
| 12:30.42 | Lynoure | Seems I can also get the behaviour I want if I make Connect automatically -> Always, then it lets me set Scan interval -> Never, and then Connect always -> Always ask |
| 12:30.46 | Lynoure | mece: hän, yes. |
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| 12:31.28 | Lynoure | s/always/automatically/ |
| 12:31.58 | Lynoure | With this combo network things just fail quietly, but I can manually connect to a wlan if that's what I want |
| 12:32.47 | Lynoure | (or so it seemed with quick testing, hmm, but not with further testing) |
| 12:33.39 | mece | Lynoure, when producing a list of available connections with the always ask options, it then scans, regardless of your interval apparently. |
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| 12:34.53 | Lynoure | mece: makes sense, for that... no sense giving an expired list |
| 12:36.41 | nid0 | still no details on powermat batteries /wrists |
| 12:36.45 | Hukka | It could just ask wether to search at all |
| 12:36.46 | mece | Lynoure, anyway, the wlan switcher disables this battery eating problem, if you consider it a problem. |
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| 12:37.02 | mece | Hukka, yes that would be ideal imo. |
| 12:37.14 | nid0 | using the wlan switcher has made a big difference to me, if it's battery you're trying to improve |
| 12:37.19 | Lynoure | Hukka: that's exactly what I was kind of expecting |
| 12:37.24 | mece | for powersavers btw, this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45053 is pretty sweet |
| 12:37.45 | nid0 | compared to having wifi connected constantly (but idle, with power saving mode enabled, and transmitting at 10mw) disabling wlan entirely has almost doubled my battery life |
| 12:39.22 | Lynoure | mece: thanks |
| 12:40.08 | mece | nid0, well there is naturally a huge difference between being online and not, regardless of wlan enabled or not. |
| 12:41.09 | nid0 | that difference is massive though, other phones iv ever used totally disabling idle wlan over leaving it connected and idle with power saving active is only a 10-20% power saving |
| 12:41.14 | nid0 | rather than 100% |
| 12:42.29 | mece | nid0, did you have the wlan drain bug? |
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| 12:42.49 | nid0 | not that I know, and the difference is the same post 1.1.1 |
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| 12:43.27 | nid0 | with my usage with wifi connected but mostly idle, I get a shade over 24 hours of battery life. using wifi switcher to disable wlan when its not actively used, im at around 48 hours, with nothing else changing |
| 12:44.25 | mece | pretty much as I have experienced every phone with internet options I've had. |
| 12:44.41 | mece | stay offline -> double (or more) batterylife. |
| 12:45.22 | nid0 | certainly coming from an e90 I never had remotely that difference, with it connected to wifi 24 hours a day that phone would last 4-5 days quite happily, with wifi disabled other than when in use it'd add an extra day at best |
| 12:45.26 | mece | I've heard people claim that it only takes 20% more to be connected and idle, but It's bs afaict |
| 12:45.49 | jo-erlend | how do I record phone conversations on n900? I installed "Recorder" and it does record audio, but it doesn't record the actual conversations. Any ideas? |
| 12:45.51 | nid0 | htc's hd2 doesnt seem to have much difference between wifi connected and not either |
| 12:46.08 | hrw | in power use? |
| 12:46.15 | nid0 | yep |
| 12:46.24 | nid0 | jo-erlend - there's an app in extras for recording calls |
| 12:46.32 | hrw | wifi chipsets are better and better |
| 12:46.41 | hrw | 3g gsm takes more power |
| 12:46.52 | nid0 | ah yes and my figures are with 2g only :> |
| 12:46.59 | Lynoure | jo-erlend: try recaller |
| 12:47.13 | Lynoure | jo-erlend: I have it installed, have not given it a try yet |
| 12:47.32 | mece | nid0, but we're talking about wlan, not gprs |
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| 12:48.04 | nid0 | I know, I was just pointing out that my 24/48 hour battery lives with wlan enabled and idle/disabled are all with 2g only |
| 12:48.28 | Arif_ | hands nid0 a 3G tower |
| 12:48.39 | thresh | towel, you mean towel. |
| 12:48.46 | nid0 | got one plenty in range, but <24 hour battery life makes baby nidO cry :( |
| 12:48.47 | mece | nid0, do you know exaclty how "idle" your wlan is then? |
| 12:48.56 | Arif_ | morning, btw :P |
| 12:49.02 | hrw | Arif_: what is a use of 3G when you have wifi in range... |
| 12:49.23 | Arif_ | wasting your battery ? :D |
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| 12:49.35 | nid0 | mece, outside of the times it's being actively used it's doing nothing, I tested it with all auto syncs/fetches disabled |
| 12:49.49 | jo-erlend | nid0, you mean deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ freemandle free non-free? |
| 12:49.58 | jo-erlend | nid0, or should I enable another repo? |
| 12:50.06 | nid0 | so in a 24 hour battery life run it's maybe actively being used for an hour when i'm doing things with the phone, and doing zero for the remaining 23 |
| 12:50.10 | Arif_ | I get about 3 days use with only 3G on when I need it |
| 12:50.15 | Arif_ | =} |
| 12:50.22 | hrw | -> food |
| 12:50.37 | Arif_ | and that's about 3 hours of radio streaming and maybe 1 hour of video streaming a day |
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| 12:50.45 | nid0 | jo-erlend thats the extras repo yeah, it should already be on the device and just need enabling in HAM |
| 12:51.01 | X-Fade | hands jo-erlend a -e |
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| 12:51.15 | X-Fade | jo-erlend: fremantle ;) |
| 12:51.30 | Arif_ | found some old simcards today :D |
| 12:51.44 | jo-erlend | X-Fade, yes, I saw that later. I didn't bother correcting it, as everyone would know which one I was talking about anyway. :) |
| 12:52.13 | jo-erlend | Arif_, they |
| 12:52.22 | jo-erlend | Arif_, they're good for guitar picks! :) |
| 12:52.35 | Arif_ | plays saz :P |
| 12:52.41 | jo-erlend | indeed. :) |
| 12:53.17 | jo-erlend | Arif_, like this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%C4%9Flama |
| 12:53.24 | Arif_ | yes |
| 12:53.27 | Arif_ | that one :D |
| 12:53.34 | Myrtti | sudo make me a cup of tea |
| 12:53.48 | Arif_ | Myrtti, acces denied |
| 12:53.52 | nid0 | app manager <> calculator need to swap places in the menu tbh. |
| 12:54.06 | Myrtti | awwwwwwwwwWWWWWWW |
| 12:54.20 | Arif_ | I have Turkish tea if you want :D |
| 12:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | make: *** No rule to make target `me'. Stop. |
| 12:56.06 | Arif_ | hits DocScrutinizer over the head with a timble |
| 12:57.01 | jo-erlend | Lynoure, I installed it, but I'm not able to add it to the desktop. |
| 12:57.20 | nid0 | if thats recaller, I think it needs a reboot to show up properly |
| 12:58.13 | Lynoure | jo-erlend: I cannot remember how I added it. |
| 12:58.26 | Arif_ | add a widget? |
| 12:58.27 | Arif_ | ;p |
| 12:58.57 | Lynoure | Arif_: I mean after a reboot or no, or as add widget or add launcher (as the thing is tiny) |
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| 12:59.24 | Lynoure | I guess it's widget |
| 12:59.36 | Arif_ | it just appeared on the desktop for me |
| 12:59.45 | Arif_ | and yes, it's a widget |
| 13:00.00 | Lynoure | But, now off to the gym... |
| 13:00.03 | Arif_ | though I have no idea where it saves the recordings and in what format |
| 13:00.06 | Arif_ | it needs settings!' |
| 13:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | added widgets have annoying habit to hide behinde others |
| 13:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | upper left corner a good spot to search for them |
| 13:02.33 | Arif_ | they usually appear wherever's empty |
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| 13:02.52 | Arif_ | and if the desktop is full it jumps to the next screen for some odd reason :P |
| 13:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not for me |
| 13:03.12 | Arif_ | and when you try to move it all widgets dissapear and the desktop edit mode crashes |
| 13:03.13 | Arif_ | :D |
| 13:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | heh, I made my desktop crash loopbooting, when I tried to move foreca to another screen |
| 13:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | had to reflash :-P |
| 13:04.23 | Arif_ | aww |
| 13:04.30 | Arif_ | mine only went blank and I had to readd everything |
| 13:04.43 | Arif_ | oh well |
| 13:04.52 | Arif_ | maybe we'll have a stable OS in Maemo 9 |
| 13:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | most likely not |
| 13:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | as maemo9 won't happen |
| 13:06.00 | tybollt | I'll settles for maemo6, dude ;) |
| 13:06.41 | hrw | Arif_: Turkish tea? I want a cup of it - with sugar |
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| 13:09.43 | Arif_ | DCCs hrw some tea |
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| 13:14.03 | hrw | the good thing in guadec2008 was Turkish tea and coffee |
| 13:16.04 | w00t | today seems like such a quiet day |
| 13:17.03 | hrw | weekend starts soon |
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| 13:17.10 | w00t | :) |
| 13:17.33 | w00t | have I messed up my email, or has maemo-dev been quiet the past day? |
| 13:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | friday afternoon. Feel happy as long as all stays quite |
| 13:17.51 | w00t | ooh, I messed it up |
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| 13:18.12 | Arif_ | hrw, I can do the catering(sp?) if you give me enough money :P |
| 13:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if someone has grabbed the new info on branch instructions he dropped on LED_patterns lately |
| 13:19.12 | wazd | eeehehe |
| 13:19.18 | wazd | symbian ^4 UI :D |
| 13:19.44 | Arif_ | thinks DocScrutinizer should write a GUI application to edit LED patterns |
| 13:19.51 | mece | tmo down? |
| 13:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 13:20.27 | wazd | nooo, seriously |
| 13:20.38 | Arif_ | it is |
| 13:21.44 | hrw|gone | -> off |
| 13:22.26 | mece | up again. |
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| 13:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | Arif_: "A. Command compiler software is available with the evaluation kit." http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-1562.pdf |
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| 13:25.38 | Arif_ | blinks |
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| 13:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | basically I guess a gifted C coder can turn cpp into a LP5523 compiler by definition of 2 dozen macros, in less than 1 hour |
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| 13:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | that's not me though ;-P |
| 13:32.20 | Arif_ | Basically I have no idea what you're talking about ;) |
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| 13:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | I'm talking bout creating a *very* simple macro assembler (this is _no_ compiler after all) |
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| 13:46.56 | rzr | any defect usb owners ? |
| 13:47.20 | rzr | i think it would be helpful to report the build dates on http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Hardware_USB&action=edit |
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| 13:50.54 | rzr | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB |
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| 14:17.11 | Arif_ | wtf |
| 14:17.23 | Arif_ | why is a 3€ product 3$ in the US store |
| 14:17.41 | Stskeeps | cos 3.27 doesn't look pretty |
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| 14:18.15 | Arif_ | it should be at least 4$ there |
| 14:18.35 | Arif_ | or even better |
| 14:18.44 | Arif_ | it should be 2,20€ here |
| 14:18.45 | Arif_ | :D |
| 14:19.21 | cos^ | Stskeeps: 3.30 would be good |
| 14:19.40 | Arif_ | 3 eur=4,06 usd |
| 14:19.45 | Arif_ | 3 usd=2,21 eur |
| 14:19.56 | Arif_ | =P |
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| 14:23.25 | Andy80 | I really don't understand this... |
| 14:23.38 | Andy80 | and I'll never buy at these conditions :P |
| 14:23.50 | Andy80 | price should be the same |
| 14:23.55 | Arif_ | mh |
| 14:23.59 | Arif_ | I can't even buy anything |
| 14:24.01 | Arif_ | I have no CC :D |
| 14:24.13 | Andy80 | and... in particular |
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| 14:24.28 | Andy80 | I know that 1€ = 1,4$ |
| 14:24.29 | Andy80 | but.... |
| 14:25.01 | pupnik_ | Lets try to avoid puting |
| 14:25.02 | Andy80 | the average people here earn 1000€/month, in USA I don't think they earn 1000$/month! |
| 14:25.03 | pupnik_ | every |
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| 14:25.05 | pupnik_ | line |
| 14:25.06 | pupnik_ | on |
| 14:25.08 | pupnik_ | another |
| 14:25.11 | pupnik_ | line |
| 14:25.17 | Andy80 | sorry :) |
| 14:25.39 | Arif_ | throws warez at pupnik_ |
| 14:27.01 | zash | consumer price index! |
| 14:27.25 | pupnik_ | there is a nice channel called ##economics on this network. It is one of my favorite channels. |
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| 14:28.37 | zash | is there also a #economics_is_stupid ? |
| 14:28.49 | Arif_ | doese it have people moaning about prices too? |
| 14:29.31 | KMFDM | does it regularly have socialism vs. laissez-faire capitalism vs. neoliberal capitalism debates? |
| 14:30.00 | Arif_ | communism ftw? |
| 14:30.10 | zash | digital communism ftw! |
| 14:30.23 | Arif_ | :P |
| 14:30.25 | KMFDM | parecon ftw! |
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| 14:35.58 | Andrewfblack_ | Anyone know if a build of nginx has been done for Maemo5? Or if version for Diablo will work? |
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| 14:46.00 | rzr | KMFDM: yea "rip the system" |
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| 14:47.42 | GAN900 | Hey, if you don't want to pay a lot for consumer goods then you shouldn't practice socialism. |
| 14:48.07 | N900evil | or dumpsterism |
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| 14:50.33 | rzr | GAN900: depends what you consider by paying |
| 14:51.09 | rzr | breathing intoxicated air is paying somehow ... |
| 14:51.10 | GAN900 | Ew, why am I getting Hildon Notes for highlights? |
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| 14:52.01 | GAN900 | rzr, and socialism somehow reduces polution? |
| 14:52.05 | rzr | no |
| 14:52.09 | rzr | i didnt say that |
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| 14:52.19 | rzr | but cheap products = waste |
| 14:52.23 | rzr | and waste = pay ! |
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| 14:52.51 | rzr | so dont focus only on money ... |
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| 14:52.55 | GAN900 | lol |
| 14:53.07 | GAN900 | Whatever, it's offtopic |
| 14:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 14:53.20 | rzr | we're 200% agrea on that :) |
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| 14:53.57 | rzr | and who fire first ? |
| 14:56.10 | GAN900 | No idea |
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| 14:58.01 | mtd | any idea if one can somehow make all clicks draw some small, faded-out-over-time indicator on the screen? |
| 14:58.44 | mtd | there are plenty of times I'm sure I've hit the screen appropriately so as to trigger a widget, but it doesn't trigger. I repeat and it behaves as expected. |
| 14:59.20 | ali1234 | i get that too :/ |
| 14:59.55 | nid0 | thats resistive screens for you |
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| 15:00.18 | ali1234 | yeah. it is registering the press because it vibrates |
| 15:00.28 | ali1234 | it just isn't registering the location |
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| 15:08.06 | ptl | what do you guys use for protecting your N900? Like Zagg InvisibleShield™ or Vikuiti? |
| 15:08.24 | nid0 | nothing on my screen, and a leather case to carry it in |
| 15:09.18 | zap_ | anybody knows the equivalent of asm("int $3") on ARM? |
| 15:09.44 | zap_ | I tried asm("bkpt") but for some reason CPU usage goes to 100% but it doesnt break |
| 15:14.05 | Shapeshifter | ptl: vikuity cleartec scratches quickly |
| 15:14.13 | Shapeshifter | but has a good feel |
| 15:14.15 | Shapeshifter | buy a 5 pack |
| 15:16.41 | ShadowJK | sounds same as durasec cleartec then |
| 15:16.45 | ShadowJK | also 5pak :) |
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| 15:18.45 | fcrozat | ptl: Brando ultraclear |
| 15:18.48 | SpeedEvil | ptl: cheap ebay protector |
| 15:19.33 | wazd | fucking e63 headset bug, I hate you |
| 15:19.44 | nid0 | longs for the day screen protectors are no longer needed |
| 15:20.18 | SpeedEvil | longs for the day screens are no longer needed. |
| 15:20.36 | nid0 | my longing's realistic though, crossing fingers for a year or two max |
| 15:22.32 | mtd | ali1234: indeed |
| 15:23.04 | ptl | ok |
| 15:23.10 | ptl | Branco ultraclear? I'll google for it |
| 15:23.41 | fcrozat | ptl: shop.brando.com.hk IIRC |
| 15:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | is there any solution around yet for the problem of ts going to catch random erratic clicks when inbound call activates screen while device in pocket? |
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| 15:26.38 | nid0 | put said device in hard-fronted case is the only current solution, afaik |
| 15:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | this is actually what I have here, still not satisfactory |
| 15:27.38 | nid0 | odd, iv never actually had any keys accidentally pressed with mine living in it's leather case |
| 15:27.46 | ptl | is the turning on and off of the screen linked to the touch sensitive matrix by hardware or by software? |
| 15:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | dialer app really should learn to use sliders rather than apps |
| 15:27.53 | ShadowJK | The benefit of screen protectors seem to be that you can swap them when they get too scratched :-) |
| 15:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | s/than apps/than buttons/ |
| 15:28.25 | nid0 | tbh the call problem seems like it should be really easy to fix though, it doesnt need to be sliders even |
| 15:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you can swap the touchpanel as well :-P |
| 15:28.40 | nid0 | whats wrong with just keeping the screen deactivated when the proximity sensor picks up your pocket |
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| 15:29.00 | nid0 | and only have the screen activate when the proximity reading's gone (ie phone's out of your pocket) |
| 15:29.05 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sure, but the touch window assy is like 60E and lots of tiny fiddly bits |
| 15:29.26 | nid0 | unscratchable glass is the answer |
| 15:29.41 | zap | Also, does anybody know a way to debug Control Panel applets? |
| 15:29.48 | ShadowJK | there's no such thing as uncratchable.. |
| 15:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: brilliant |
| 15:30.04 | nid0 | there is when you mean in all practical senses of the word |
| 15:30.11 | ShadowJK | Or rather, if unscratchable glass exiss, I want it on my car :) |
| 15:30.23 | nid0 | go get your car refitted with gorilla glass |
| 15:30.42 | nid0 | i've played with a sheet of it recently, and you have to *literally* take a knife to it, hard, to scratch it in any way |
| 15:31.33 | ShadowJK | oh like when scraping ice off of it? :-) |
| 15:31.34 | glass | does it take sandstorms |
| 15:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | diamant coating is the answer :-D |
| 15:31.50 | nid0 | shitty plastic ice scaper thing != knife |
| 15:32.07 | glass | DocScrutinizer: full diamond windows |
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| 15:32.29 | frals | Jaffa: had time to patch python-evolution yet? |
| 15:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | (actually done by special carbon vaporization in vacuum) |
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| 15:33.21 | nid0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSinEmsOGKo - take a watch |
| 15:33.57 | zap | Is control panel source code available somewhere? There used to be a public SVN at stage.maemo.org which is now gone |
| 15:34.11 | ShadowJK | is it on maemo.gitorious.org? |
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| 15:35.14 | GAN900 | Offtopic: anybody have some good links for a networked home surveillance system? |
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| 15:35.19 | cbrake | where is the best place to get the n900 kernel source? |
| 15:35.28 | cbrake | I found where it can be downloaded using sdk |
| 15:35.28 | Stskeeps | cbrake: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 |
| 15:36.11 | cbrake | Stskeeps: so no git repo or anything like that? |
| 15:36.24 | zap | ShadowJK: I looked there but I can't find control panel |
| 15:36.29 | Stskeeps | cbrake: correct, sadly |
| 15:36.31 | zap | it was in old SVN though |
| 15:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: homematic.com ? |
| 15:37.02 | Stskeeps | zap: use http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html as a guide |
| 15:37.16 | ptl | just ordered pdair rubber with screen protector |
| 15:37.17 | Andy80 | anyone of you knows how to modify/add webpages in a garage project? I mean... how can I customize http://myproject.garage.maemo.org? |
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| 15:38.18 | X-Fade | Andy80: Put the web pages in the www dir in your svn/git. |
| 15:38.53 | zap | Stskeeps: thank you very much, found it |
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| 15:40.01 | Andrewfblack_ | Stskeeps: I just moved your post about using MADDE to build themes to wiki got tired of googling to find it lol |
| 15:40.12 | Andy80 | X-Fade: just static pages are supported or even dinamic one? |
| 15:40.31 | X-Fade | Andy80: Only static. |
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| 15:40.53 | FIQ | yay N900! :D |
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| 15:41.19 | FIQ | i have xchat, i'm going to download a few emulators, but |
| 15:41.25 | FIQ | is there a ftp-client for maemo? |
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| 15:42.14 | Andrewfblack_ | FIQ: yes |
| 15:42.18 | Andrewfblack_ | atleast 2 I know of |
| 15:42.19 | FIQ | yay |
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| 15:43.22 | tybollt | %!%)"(%)"#(=(!%)= HAM |
| 15:43.38 | tybollt | ask me to update packages and then on update half of the packages "don't exist" wtf? |
| 15:44.53 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, thanks. |
| 15:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 15:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | costs more than gold, but really rigid quality |
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| 15:46.42 | ptl | Can I run JBoss on my N900? |
| 15:47.29 | tybollt | no |
| 15:47.33 | tybollt | bad ptl bad! |
| 15:47.35 | tybollt | stop doing that |
| 15:47.37 | ptl | bad :( |
| 15:47.38 | ptl | ok |
| 15:47.44 | tybollt | ptl: Just kidding. |
| 15:47.53 | ptl | I wonder if I could make a beowulf cluster of N900s! |
| 15:48.17 | tybollt | ptl: I can't for the life of me understand why you would use such a pig on the N900 but if the memmory constraints is not stopinf you - why not? |
| 15:48.44 | tybollt | ptl: Wow how many N900 have you got?? :) |
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| 15:49.17 | ptl | only 1 |
| 15:49.24 | ptl | but |
| 15:49.26 | ptl | I dunno |
| 15:49.32 | ptl | just doing some brainstorm |
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| 15:49.52 | ptl | maybe we find a use for distributed use of mobile devices |
| 15:50.26 | hrw | re |
| 15:50.45 | hrw | ptl: for what? |
| 15:50.59 | hrw | there are better choices for making buildfarm for native builds |
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| 15:51.33 | ptl | I dunno, just exploring with some thought experiments |
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| 15:51.49 | ali1234 | ptl: OBS is all the rage for distributed cross building |
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| 15:51.58 | ali1234 | it's what meego will use |
| 15:52.15 | ptl | Opensuse Build System |
| 15:52.15 | ali1234 | hope you know your way around opensuse though, if you want to use it |
| 15:52.22 | ptl | I don't |
| 15:52.24 | ptl | never used... |
| 15:52.45 | hrw | ali1234: you do not need opensuse to use obs |
| 15:52.46 | mgedmin | is it actually suse-specific? I've heard rumours that it can build packages for distros like Debian too |
| 15:53.03 | ali1234 | hrw: the server can only be installed on opensuse or centos |
| 15:53.05 | mgedmin | I always assumed it was just a branding thing, sort of like Ubuntu One not really being ubuntu-specific |
| 15:53.11 | ali1234 | hrw: unless you build it from source |
| 15:53.57 | hrw | maybe |
| 15:54.08 | ali1234 | you don't need opensuse/centos to run the client, but the client wont operate without a server, so you either need opensuse to run the server, or you need an account on novell's OBS server, in which case you can only build against the distros they have available |
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| 15:54.49 | hrw | oh.. disaster... |
| 15:54.55 | hrw | prefers OpenEmbedded anyway |
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| 16:00.13 | ali1234 | openembedded sucks |
| 16:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | ptl: we at OM considered to build the largest mobile beowulf cluster out of all the FR collecting dust on the shelf ;-) Just a fun idea |
| 16:00.46 | ali1234 | i'd rather just learn opensuse once than be forever writing OM recipes |
| 16:01.07 | ali1234 | i mean OE |
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| 16:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | bkitbake |
| 16:01.48 | ptl | This seems like a revival for suse |
| 16:01.50 | ptl | lol |
| 16:02.08 | ptl | Ok, I can dig into opensuse, but please don't start using mono on Maemo ;) |
| 16:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | MONO, waaaaaahhhh |
| 16:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | windows .net idiots compatibility layer |
| 16:06.23 | tybollt | oh and guys we need NDIS wrapper as well \o/ \o/ \o/ |
| 16:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for explicit speech |
| 16:06.44 | mgedmin | because there are so many different wireless cards you could install in your n900, yeah |
| 16:07.01 | tybollt | mgedmin: ? Usb wifi cards - for sure? :) |
| 16:07.12 | mgedmin | because the n900 supports usb host mode sooo well |
| 16:07.23 | tybollt | it doesn't? |
| 16:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: sure, with the great usb hostmode support N900 got |
| 16:07.40 | tybollt | shrug I never bothered to check actually :) |
| 16:07.45 | tybollt | so it doesn't do usb host? |
| 16:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | nope, as for now |
| 16:08.10 | mgedmin | tybollt, was I on the moon when the n900 host mode support got announced? all I know is people alternately saying "NO" and "maaaaybe, if I could get my hands on a n900 and a soldering iron" |
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| 16:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | rumor has it it lacks hw support for it |
| 16:08.52 | mgedmin | the usb chip supports it but the leads aren't connected or something like that |
| 16:09.16 | pupnik_ | how about learn how to do make something useful for maemo? |
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| 16:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | basically the most important thing is whether it has USB-VBUS power supply, or not |
| 16:10.23 | tybollt | actually http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode |
| 16:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | then it's also unclear if you can switch the PHY chip to hostmode |
| 16:10.32 | tybollt | breaks it down pretty good |
| 16:10.41 | pupnik_ | putting people on ignore helps you reduce scroll-off of useful comments |
| 16:11.05 | ali1234 | does anyone know how n900 etc xorg hides the mouse pointer? |
| 16:11.37 | pupnik_ | ali1234: all pointers are symlinked to a transparent pointer |
| 16:11.45 | ali1234 | hmm |
| 16:11.56 | ali1234 | that's no good for what i need |
| 16:12.31 | pupnik_ | i have visible pointer here with my own pointer substituted for transp |
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| 16:12.51 | ali1234 | say i run vnc on NIT, connect it to vncserver on my desktop |
| 16:13.10 | ali1234 | i will see a mouse pointer from the remote desktop |
| 16:13.21 | ali1234 | but that's pointless and annoying on a touchscreen |
| 16:13.54 | pupnik_ | i like seeing the pointer. helps target links |
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| 16:26.45 | The_Tall1 | Hi there. I just tried to install the pythonlibrary rdflib. But it faild due to the installed gcc. Is there another way to port this python module? |
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| 16:27.03 | The_Tall1 | s/faild/failed |
| 16:27.18 | Andrewfblack_ | Can some people look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964 and give me your option on my idea? |
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| 16:28.43 | c|oneman | wow really, maemo is this popular? |
| 16:30.28 | ptl | is witter optified? |
| 16:30.50 | MohammadAG | ptl afaik yes |
| 16:31.18 | b-man17 | c|oneman: what you see on this channel is only 4% of the community, if that |
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| 16:32.02 | c|oneman | I can't imagine what will happen when more than 1 phone actually runs it |
| 16:32.10 | Andrewfblack_ | their are 35k members on talk so this isn't that much |
| 16:32.24 | MohammadAG | 1.59% b-man17 :p |
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| 16:32.31 | c|oneman | what's talk? |
| 16:32.36 | MohammadAG | talk.maemo.org |
| 16:32.50 | Brendan[BP] | Andrewfblack thats a pretty sweet idea |
| 16:32.59 | Andrewfblack_ | and their are lots that are Mailing lists that don't use talk |
| 16:32.59 | bohciao | hi everybody, anyone from italy? :) |
| 16:33.13 | Andrewfblack_ | Brendan[BP]: I just need a programmer to make it happen |
| 16:33.25 | MohammadAG | c|oneman, well technically the 770, N800, and the N810 ran maemo |
| 16:33.48 | Brendan[BP] | Andrewfblack wish i could help, i only program in F# and to programmingfu isnt fantastic at the moment |
| 16:34.02 | viukkis | 770, N800 and N810 weren't phones though |
| 16:34.18 | Andrewfblack_ | Brendan[BP]: just go learn C++ and QT real quick lol |
| 16:34.24 | Andrewfblack_ | Or python |
| 16:35.18 | Brendan[BP] | Andrewfblack hehehehe im really interested in learning QT, ive got all the stuff to do it on the old pc... :p just actually getting around it it hahah... if only i wasnt capped right now... :( |
| 16:35.25 | ptl | F#? |
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| 16:36.02 | Brendan[BP] | ptl its a functional programming language |
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| 16:36.49 | ptl | oh |
| 16:36.57 | ptl | functional programming languages are weird. |
| 16:37.16 | lcuk | Andrewfblack, no |
| 16:37.18 | Brendan[BP] | hahahha amen to that! |
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| 16:37.29 | Andrewfblack_ | lcuk: don't like the idea? |
| 16:37.34 | Brendan[BP] | lcuk, no?? |
| 16:37.50 | lcuk | thats my first impression anyway |
| 16:37.58 | lcuk | i considered similar for liqbase stuff |
| 16:38.04 | lcuk | its ok if you have data files only |
| 16:38.11 | lcuk | but arent those slider things apps? |
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| 16:38.28 | Andrewfblack_ | lcuk: nope just data files in theme folder |
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| 16:38.44 | lcuk | Andrewfblack, maybe then :P |
| 16:38.45 | Andrewfblack_ | all the stuff I talked about are just files in the theme folder |
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| 16:39.30 | Andrewfblack_ | all the needs to do is list the theme element packages, download the one you want and unpack and over write old files. |
| 16:39.31 | tybollt | does the "show me the money" dance from Jerry Maguire but instead chants "show me the 1.2!" |
| 16:39.43 | tybollt | 1.2 for the people |
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| 16:40.28 | SpeedEvil | is still waiting on the last update |
| 16:42.22 | lcuk | Andrewfblack, and how do you recover after reflashing/restoring |
| 16:42.30 | tybollt | speedy: Huh? No 1.1.1 for you yet? |
| 16:42.57 | Andrewfblack_ | lcuk: how do I recover personally I run my backup or you talking about theme program? |
| 16:43.00 | lcuk | currently dont themes come via HAM and then get enabled |
| 16:43.06 | lcuk | theme |
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| 16:43.33 | Andrewfblack_ | lcuk: after a reflash you just download program again and pick the elements you want again |
| 16:43.51 | Brendan[BP] | thats the only way it would be possible anyway |
| 16:43.52 | Brendan[BP] | :S |
| 16:43.54 | Andrewfblack_ | this program wont can't any default theme it will come with its own custom theme that all changes will be made to |
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| 16:45.50 | Andrewfblack_ | lcuk: I don't see whre a reflash would really hurt anything jsut have to setup what you want again |
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| 16:48.08 | lcuk | Andrewfblack, the problem is reproducability and uber coolness. i like the idea but its implementation would be tricky and non reproduable |
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| 16:48.14 | lcuk | what if, you did like dell |
| 16:48.20 | lcuk | theme-maker style |
| 16:48.27 | lcuk | the website offers basic theme |
| 16:48.30 | lcuk | then you modify it |
| 16:48.37 | lcuk | and at the end you are given url for new theme |
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| 16:50.02 | italian | ma esiste una chat anche per gli italiani? io l'inglese lo so da schifo :( |
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| 16:50.40 | lcuk | Andrewfblack, that could be done without any on device code, and full complete reproduability |
| 16:50.58 | lcuk | because theme_20100226_lcuk was the only one generated by me at that time |
| 16:51.07 | Andrewfblack_ | lcuk: your idea would take masive web scripts to rebuild theme from your choices. I don't understand what is tricky about have a bunch of zip file on webserver that program downloads and unzips into theme folder |
| 16:51.16 | Vanadis | if i pay for the extra levels of angry birds and have to reflash my phone |
| 16:51.28 | Vanadis | can i download the game another time without paying? |
| 16:51.57 | ptl | italian: provare a utilizzare Google Translate per capire cosa dice la gente qui |
| 16:52.41 | italian | ptl: thanks a lot :) |
| 16:52.44 | Vanadis | oh wait, nevermidn |
| 16:52.53 | Vanadis | fuck ovi store -> i don't have a credit card |
| 16:53.14 | Andrewfblack_ | also don't know what you mean by non reproduable if you want to reproduce it jsut redownload the packs you had before |
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| 16:54.36 | lcuk | Andrewfblack, when i need to backup/restore my data, everything comes back as i left it - without having to reselect anything - thats all i mean. |
| 16:54.53 | lcuk | dont worry tho, you are right it would work |
| 16:56.33 | hrw | Vanadis: should be able to |
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| 16:56.46 | Andrewfblack_ | lcuk: that is true but the scripts for the server would be much harder to write and then you would have to install theme with xterm. My idea is much more user friendly |
| 16:56.52 | hrw | anyway I did not passed 1st set of levels |
| 16:57.21 | lcuk | Andrewfblack, i thought themes came in debs and from app manager? |
| 16:57.51 | Brendan[BP] | user friendly is what we want |
| 16:57.52 | Brendan[BP] | :) |
| 16:58.53 | Andrewfblack_ | lcuk: this wont be install a whole new theme each time just part that will over ride the file in the theme included with program. So if you want new text colors this program would download the color.css file and over ride it. |
| 16:59.12 | Andrewfblack_ | Or if you want the pacman lockslider it will only download those files and override them |
| 16:59.36 | Andrewfblack_ | then you select the theme that comes with program and you have just those changes |
| 16:59.58 | w00t | wanders in |
| 17:00.02 | Andrewfblack_ | If you want to go back to programs default on part of it. The program and do that as well because I will have the defaults on server |
| 17:00.48 | Andrewfblack_ | Lunch time we can pick this up after that |
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| 17:07.36 | shinkamui | hey |
| 17:07.42 | shinkamui | what does that F stand for in AndrewFBlack |
| 17:07.42 | Brendan[BP] | hoi |
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| 17:10.37 | w00t | grumbles at gender-neutral names |
| 17:10.55 | lcuk | like "w00t" |
| 17:11.02 | w00t | texrat just called me a she :( |
| 17:11.27 | lcuk | he wasnt far wrng then :p |
| 17:11.32 | w00t | oi |
| 17:11.53 | w00t | i'm going to come to manchester and test my accelerometer by bouncing my n900 off your head in a minute :p |
| 17:12.03 | lcuk | feel free |
| 17:12.06 | lcuk | ive got more ammo than u |
| 17:12.14 | w00t | hahah |
| 17:12.23 | mgedmin | I know many people who would be very happy to have n900s thrown at them |
| 17:12.26 | w00t | I've got a bunch of crappy winmo phones I could throw first :-) |
| 17:12.33 | w00t | (and they'd hurt more, they're heavy) |
| 17:12.33 | mgedmin | provided they could keep the n900 in question afterwards |
| 17:12.35 | lcuk | lol mgedmin a flaw in my plan |
| 17:12.53 | ml-mobile | be sure to start n900fly before throwing |
| 17:13.14 | Brendan[BP] | lol |
| 17:13.16 | lcuk | n900fly doesnt cut it in this instance |
| 17:13.22 | lcuk | not interested in the flight path |
| 17:13.26 | lcuk | its the damage vector |
| 17:13.43 | w00t | hehe |
| 17:13.45 | ml-mobile | accelerometer should be able to measure sudden deceleration |
| 17:13.47 | lcuk | i asked earlier if qt has interfaces to railguns |
| 17:13.51 | lcuk | for n900orbit app |
| 17:13.51 | w00t | ml-mobile: yes! |
| 17:14.01 | lcuk | of course ml-mobile |
| 17:16.43 | ptl | oh, shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiuL4I8qg2s I can't believe someone actually did that. |
| 17:17.34 | MohammadAG | question, if I move a .ko file into /lib/modules/<currentkernel> shouldn't it load on startup? |
| 17:17.54 | ptl | I apologize for the swearing. But if you see the video you'll do the same. |
| 17:18.03 | hrw | have a nice rest of day |
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| 17:18.10 | ptl | MohammadAG: only if the device to which it refers is used |
| 17:18.29 | ptl | or if it is on the automatically loaded modules list |
| 17:18.56 | mgedmin | ptl, the boy would need a bagful of spare batteries to do all that in the forest |
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| 17:19.37 | ptl | mgedmin: I thought that too, lol |
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| 17:20.42 | MohammadAG | ptl kk ty :) |
| 17:21.23 | ptl | is there any midp emulator for maemo? |
| 17:21.26 | ptl | a friend of mine is asking |
| 17:21.27 | ptl | he's thinking about buying a N900 |
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| 17:23.21 | ptl | I just asked your question here. :) |
| 17:23.23 | ptl | hey nfermat |
| 17:23.32 | nfermat | hi ptl |
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| 17:24.04 | mschr | hi all :-D |
| 17:24.22 | ptl | no one knows about midp on maemo? |
| 17:24.30 | greenfly | midp? |
| 17:24.35 | ptl | nfermat: I found that: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31727 |
| 17:24.57 | greenfly | you mean like midpssh? |
| 17:25.04 | Arif_ | burps |
| 17:25.10 | mgedmin | heard of MIDs as a generic term of devices larger than a nokia tablet but smaller than a netbook, but /me doesn't know midp |
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| 17:26.27 | ptl | greenfly: yes, running midp applications |
| 17:26.43 | ptl | mgedmin: not MIDs, midp, Java Micro Edition |
| 17:26.51 | Arif_ | oh |
| 17:26.53 | Arif_ | midp=java crap |
| 17:26.54 | Arif_ | :P |
| 17:26.56 | greenfly | ptl: no java |
| 17:27.17 | greenfly | ptl: but java is less necessary since you can write programs in c, c++, python, or even bash |
| 17:27.33 | ptl | legacy support might be desirable for some people |
| 17:27.56 | Arif_ | yeah we'll get useless apps like on Android :D |
| 17:28.09 | Jaffa | frals: Nope |
| 17:28.20 | ptl | but it's not me who's asking... I don't use midp for a long time. it's my friend nfermat that needs it |
| 17:28.41 | ptl | anyway, yeah, I'd love if the N900 had as much useless apps as the Android |
| 17:28.52 | ptl | this is a great appeal to prospective buyers. |
| 17:29.00 | Arif_ | we need an apple appstore port |
| 17:29.09 | nid0 | some useless apps are also in fact useful! |
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| 17:29.22 | ptl | useless apps are great. I'd love an accelerometer-beer-glass-simulation app |
| 17:29.29 | Arif_ | why? |
| 17:30.03 | ptl | because I can use it to show off to girls, it makes them giggle, and it's a very good start for the kind of conversation that makes me take them to bed. |
| 17:30.08 | ptl | if anything, for that. |
| 17:30.25 | Arif_ | you need a fake beer glass for that? |
| 17:30.30 | w00t | ptl: I think you're in the wrong channel if you're actually getting laid. :P |
| 17:30.30 | Arif_ | says more about you than the girls :D |
| 17:30.31 | ptl | lol |
| 17:30.44 | nfermat | lol |
| 17:30.48 | ptl | if you put it that way, yes. It's not that I need, it's another trick under the sleeve. |
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| 17:30.59 | Arif_ | w00t, :O |
| 17:31.01 | Arif_ | /quit |
| 17:31.45 | Arif_ | but everyone knows about the farting beer glasses now |
| 17:31.49 | Arif_ | so it's not very impressive ;( |
| 17:32.12 | Arif_ | you should show them youtube playing in the browser! |
| 17:32.34 | ptl | it's also too common |
| 17:32.38 | nid0 | that only works if the girl's at least 3/4 as geeky as the n900 owner showing her it |
| 17:32.49 | ptl | I need a bunch of useless apps |
| 17:32.51 | Arif_ | depends on what clip you show |
| 17:32.52 | Arif_ | :D |
| 17:32.56 | ptl | no, no |
| 17:33.06 | ptl | geek girls like usefull apps. |
| 17:33.19 | ptl | *useful |
| 17:33.22 | nid0 | youtube playing smoothly in the browser is sufficiently useful |
| 17:33.32 | Arif_ | you can just show them the XTerminal |
| 17:33.38 | Arif_ | and then get ignored with no phone ;( |
| 17:33.49 | nid0 | yeah baby, heres my top |
| 17:34.03 | Arif_ | MY LOAD IS ABOVE EIGHT THOUSAND =D |
| 17:34.12 | Arif_ | no wait |
| 17:34.16 | Arif_ | it was OVER EIGHT THOUSAND |
| 17:34.31 | Arif_ | Long time ago I watched DBZ... |
| 17:36.29 | ptl | show her your uptime! |
| 17:37.07 | ptl | 'hey, baby, look at that! the phone has been out for three months and my uptime is 101 days!' |
| 17:37.19 | Arif_ | refrains from commenting on that....:) |
| 17:37.56 | ptl | lol |
| 17:38.06 | w00t | headdesks a little |
| 17:38.06 | w00t | :P |
| 17:38.17 | Arif_ | :D:D |
| 17:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | doubts there's such a thing like geek girls |
| 17:39.49 | Arif_ | I sure hope not |
| 17:39.56 | Arif_ | I wouldn't understand them ;( |
| 17:40.01 | ptl | yes, there are |
| 17:40.29 | ptl | however the BALANCED geek girls do not let their geekiness dominate, and worry with life, appearance, and so on |
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| 17:40.46 | Arif_ | good |
| 17:40.48 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 17:40.50 | c|oneman | making them completely out of anyones league? |
| 17:40.53 | ptl | the unbalanced geek girls might even be beautiful, but they use to be weird, ungrasppable entities |
| 17:41.01 | ptl | not really |
| 17:41.22 | Arif_ | ptl has a lot of experience apparently :D |
| 17:41.34 | ptl | I've got some, but it's here in Brazil |
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| 17:41.39 | ptl | it might be different in other countries |
| 17:41.51 | SpeedEvil | ptl: you can convert one to the other using a balun. |
| 17:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: LOL |
| 17:43.06 | ptl | nfermat found http://www.microemu.org/ for the MIDP emulator, but that only postpones the problem, now you need a J2SE to run the J2ME |
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| 17:43.10 | kkito | hello |
| 17:43.30 | Arif_ | hai |
| 17:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | I bet very few recipients know what a balun is |
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| 17:43.50 | Arif_ | DocScrutinizer, something with electric signal thingies? |
| 17:44.09 | kkito | I am programing a game, and after some time of playing it the backlight turns off. do you know how (in freemante) control the screen backlight? |
| 17:44.32 | kkito | fremantle :P |
| 17:44.50 | Arif_ | yay, more games |
| 17:44.53 | ptl | A balun, pronounced /ˈbælən/, is a type of electrical transformer that can convert electrical signals that are balanced about ground (differential) to signals that are unbalanced (single-ended) and vice versa. They are also often used to connect lines of differing impedance. |
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| 17:45.30 | Arif_ | what game is it? :p |
| 17:46.27 | ptl | the equivalent of xset s off does not solve it? |
| 17:46.49 | mschr | anyhow.... |
| 17:47.16 | mschr | who knows of a good application to use as UI task manager? |
| 17:47.27 | mschr | anything available on maemo? |
| 17:47.35 | Arif_ | ctrl+backspace? |
| 17:47.35 | ptl | kkito: maybe the people in #maemo-devel know better |
| 17:48.28 | mschr | arif_: aka dashboard.. there's no info on priority/memusage/cpu-utilization etc |
| 17:48.55 | Arif_ | hasn't come across one in extras+testing |
| 17:49.01 | kkito | ok, i didnt know about this channel, thank you :) |
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| 17:51.50 | rzr | hi, are the mailing list archives online ? |
| 17:52.29 | GAN900 | mschr, htop |
| 17:52.50 | GAN900 | rzr, yes |
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| 17:53.02 | GAN900 | On several websites. |
| 17:53.14 | rzr | err |
| 17:53.20 | rzr | i wanted to ask this in #meego :) |
| 17:53.38 | rzr | :) |
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| 17:57.59 | Andrewfblack_ | shinkamui: I always say its stands for Andrew F***ing Black but really its Franklin |
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| 17:59.26 | Arif_ | you're whatnow? |
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| 18:05.56 | GAN900 | rzr, same answer. |
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| 18:08.57 | mgedmin | gah, I can't remember *again* how to scp my source debs to the extras-devel builder :( |
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| 18:10.07 | mgedmin | what do they mean "not a valid .changes file"??? |
| 18:10.21 | mgedmin | what's wrong with http://pastie.org/844519 ? |
| 18:14.02 | villager | mgedmin: perhaps they only want a source upload, no binaries |
| 18:14.11 | mgedmin | d'oh! |
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| 18:16.47 | mgedmin | villager++ |
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| 18:23.41 | tgalal_ | could someone please help me out with this :( :( :( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45849 |
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| 18:24.27 | Lynoure | I'm trying to run a binary on N900, I have it copied over but for some reason chmod a+x does not seem to stick, and thus run-standalone.sh ./myapp fails |
| 18:24.40 | Lynoure | I'm probably doing something wrong, but what? |
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| 18:24.55 | jgastal | Lynoure: in what partition did you put the executable? |
| 18:25.09 | Lynoure | jgastal: it's in the home directory |
| 18:25.11 | jgastal | Lynoure: some partitions are mounted with noexec |
| 18:25.34 | Lynoure | jgastal: what would be a good place to put stuff for testing |
| 18:25.36 | Lynoure | ? |
| 18:25.45 | Lynoure | (I guess that is noexec then...) |
| 18:25.52 | jgastal | I don't recall if ithas noexec. run mount, to see mount options. |
| 18:26.05 | jgastal | I would say /opt but I'm just guessing |
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| 18:26.50 | villager | Lynoure: are you sure it's in your /home/user and not in /home/user/MyDocs? I can run binaries from /home/user fine... |
| 18:27.22 | Lynoure | villager: ah, thanks for reminding me that there is a difference :) |
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| 18:29.12 | nid0 | hm, extras is getting ~100,000 downloads a day atm? |
| 18:29.21 | nid0 | that aint bad, for 180 apps in it. |
| 18:30.44 | Arif_ | what do they download |
| 18:30.49 | Arif_ | is there a hidden fart app? |
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| 18:33.09 | N900evil | moobox needs a mod |
| 18:33.27 | pupnik | camera app crashed device when i held shutter too long and now last 4 photos are unviewable bookmarks in photoviewer |
| 18:33.43 | Arif_ | lol |
| 18:34.00 | Arif_ | even the camera didn't like what you were making pictures of ;P |
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| 18:36.11 | pupnik | (feature request) after sharing a photo, give url in clipboard or SOMEWHERE! |
| 18:36.43 | slonopotamus | (this isn't a bugtracker) |
| 18:36.51 | slonopotamus | :P |
| 18:36.52 | lcuk | thats a reasonable idea pupnik |
| 18:37.35 | lcuk | i think somewhere i noted that if you select to share image from conversations it should fill in the url into the message box |
| 18:38.05 | pupnik | after rebooting i see photos i have not seen since FOSDEM! |
| 18:38.12 | lcuk | similar idea, but yours is totally global and would be good, even if it was just opening a text file with recent uploads |
| 18:38.34 | Arif_ | I haven't figured out yet how to upload stuff |
| 18:38.36 | Arif_ | :p |
| 18:39.00 | Arif_ | I click share>services>photobucket>I get my photobucket login>I login>I get pixelpope screen |
| 18:39.02 | Arif_ | and then nothing :( |
| 18:39.19 | pupnik | flickr upload works for me |
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| 18:45.11 | cehteh | picture sharing to ovi also never worked for me |
| 18:46.34 | Lynoure | happily looks at maebiGTD version 0.1 on her phone |
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| 18:47.45 | n900maemo | hello |
| 18:48.06 | n900maemo | Anyone free? |
| 18:48.18 | Brendan[BP] | for what? :) |
| 18:48.33 | Arif_ | has a price |
| 18:48.43 | b-man17 | lol |
| 18:50.32 | villager | what if you prefer to exchange favours, is that considered free? |
| 18:51.19 | Arif_ | wouldn't that depend on the favor? ;) |
| 18:51.23 | Lynoure | n900maemo: For what kind of project? *grin* |
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| 18:52.31 | lcuk | Lynoure, pics or it didnt get done |
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| 18:54.43 | n900maemo | Well im having trouble flashing my pre-production device |
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| 18:54.57 | n900maemo | it is saying that i have to supply the X-loader image |
| 18:55.11 | lcuk | n900maemo, and where did your pre production device come from |
| 18:55.17 | n900maemo | Finland |
| 18:55.25 | n900maemo | It came from Nokia R&D |
| 18:55.38 | lcuk | so contact your nokia wrangler and ask for updates |
| 18:55.44 | n900maemo | :/ |
| 18:56.17 | lcuk | afaik the only images available ar ethe official ones |
| 18:56.19 | n900maemo | I have flashed n900's before its just that this one is asking me to supply the x-loader image since its not a production release |
| 18:56.34 | TomaszD | n900maemo, which HWID |
| 18:57.42 | n900maemo | 2001 |
| 18:57.42 | TomaszD | n900maemo, alright, I'll hook you up, msg |
| 18:57.42 | n900maemo | really!? |
| 18:57.46 | n900maemo | is it just the firmware that is causing this issue |
| 18:57.53 | VDVsx | n900maemo, you need a legacy FW |
| 18:58.17 | TomaszD | n900maemo, I've sent you information |
| 18:59.33 | VDVsx | TomaszD, are you sharing these images ? careful with that can upset someone ;) |
| 18:59.52 | TomaszD | VDVsx, I've just sent him a an e-mail address to Daniel |
| 19:00.05 | VDVsx | TomaszD, ah cool ;) |
| 19:00.16 | VDVsx | right thing IMO :) |
| 19:00.31 | n900maemo | how to i retreive your message? |
| 19:00.41 | n900maemo | oh found it! |
| 19:00.46 | TomaszD | alright |
| 19:01.08 | lcuk | ponders searching for the build ids |
| 19:01.35 | Lynoure | lcuk: in a short bit there will be pics. Then, someday soon there ought to be a .deb as well |
| 19:01.56 | Lynoure | Drat, cannot use my N900 to take pics of my N900 |
| 19:01.59 | lcuk | Lynoure, you should mark those on some sort of system |
| 19:02.04 | lcuk | that you can manage your tasks |
| 19:02.17 | Lynoure | lcuk: I do :) |
| 19:02.17 | lcuk | Shift + Ctrl + P |
| 19:02.20 | lcuk | afaik |
| 19:02.27 | lcuk | takes a screenshot |
| 19:02.30 | Lynoure | lcuk: but that could be any screenshot |
| 19:02.45 | Lynoure | No telling it apart from the scratchbox |
| 19:02.48 | lcuk | that took its time to leave |
| 19:02.52 | VDVsx | btw, if someone has app ideas for maemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas#Ideas_List |
| 19:02.57 | lcuk | Lynoure, i just wanna see your gtd app |
| 19:03.02 | slonopotamus | lcuk, that fails to capture video overlay |
| 19:03.03 | lcuk | dont care where its runnin |
| 19:03.09 | lcuk | slonopotamus, dont i know it |
| 19:03.12 | Lynoure | lcuk: it's nothing spectacular yet. |
| 19:03.26 | VDVsx | I'm trying to retrieve some from brainstorm (a bit messy :() |
| 19:03.29 | lcuk | always has ideas VDVsx :P |
| 19:04.03 | lcuk | i just put a spectacular one in #nokia-mdc |
| 19:04.15 | Lynoure | lcuk: just basicly a todo app, very bare bones at that. Will get much better in time. I'm hoping to replace Progect (for Palm) in my GTD use |
| 19:04.30 | lcuk | Lynoure, i just make sketch notes |
| 19:04.34 | lcuk | then convert them into apps |
| 19:05.19 | Lynoure | :) |
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| 19:07.06 | lcuk | jacket potato time, bbl |
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| 19:16.34 | Andrewfblack_ | wazd: What you think about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964? |
| 19:17.54 | N900evil | aww - google-earth cores |
| 19:18.08 | wazd | Andrewfblack: honestly I'm a consistency fan so I'm not very excited bout different theme elements at the same time |
| 19:18.26 | wazd | Andrewfblack: though it can work for downloadable iconsets |
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| 19:19.25 | Andrewfblack_ | wazd: icon sets are going to be a big part of it that is where I got the idea and it grew from their |
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| 19:20.14 | Andrewfblack_ | I think custom lock sliders will be used alot also I lot of people like things like the pacman lockslider |
| 19:21.50 | Andrewfblack_ | isn't their a way for me ot make my regular name disconnect? |
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| 19:26.49 | hrw | re |
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| 19:27.10 | hrw | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/commit/6d2c37e76e46f282a63a635cac5db61100540461 is interesting - Qt/maemo5 released as not supported? |
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| 19:29.08 | wazd | Andrewfblack: again, pacman slider is just one idea |
| 19:29.26 | wazd | Andrewfblack: you can make a package that will replace slider only |
| 19:30.45 | Andrewfblack_ | wazd: thats true what I'm doing could be done with a bunch of packages but alot of theme people are having trouble learning packaging this is going to make it where they just put the files in a folder. tar.gz it and they are good to go. |
| 19:30.58 | N900evil | the screen lock is a bit broken |
| 19:31.16 | N900evil | you get glimpses of what's underneath |
| 19:32.43 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 19:32.51 | Arif_ | I just thought of an idea for a new app |
| 19:32.52 | Arif_ | :D |
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| 19:33.14 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:33.22 | Arif_ | now I wish I knew how to program |
| 19:33.24 | Arif_ | ={ |
| 19:33.39 | johnsq | Arif_: learn it, isn't difficult |
| 19:33.50 | Arif_ | nah |
| 19:33.50 | Vanadis | Arif_, what's your Idea? |
| 19:34.01 | Arif_ | you know the FM transitter sends out the song data? |
| 19:34.04 | Arif_ | take that data |
| 19:34.16 | Arif_ | and send it to the conversations status message thingy |
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| 19:34.45 | Vanadis | okay |
| 19:35.04 | Arif_ | a "now playing" plugin for conversations in short |
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| 19:37.40 | hrw | Arif_: there is not such already? |
| 19:37.50 | Arif_ | there is? |
| 19:37.53 | Stskeeps | lo jebba |
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| 19:41.25 | jebba | heya |
| 19:41.28 | wazd | Andrewfblack: also I think that lockslider is rarely used screen :P |
| 19:41.42 | wazd | Andrewfblack: I actually haven't seen it live ever :) |
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| 19:48.00 | Lynoure | lcuk: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=153291&id=684723529&l=59458fb52b |
| 19:48.22 | Lynoure | lcuk: there's the screenshots |
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| 19:53.27 | Andrewfblack_ | wazd: I use lockscreen for viewing time alot but app will do alot more then just lockscreens |
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| 20:08.14 | manavs | hi |
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| 20:09.34 | Myrtti | oh for gods sake, just tuned into the hockey game to see the Finns fuck it up |
| 20:09.55 | djkrikke | Hi Guys, just wondering if there is a way to auto turn off my wifi if the device is "standby"? |
| 20:10.04 | jaska | good thing i dont watch hockey then |
| 20:11.50 | djkrikke | or can wifi stay on forever with the power saving enabled? |
| 20:12.11 | manavs | yes it can |
| 20:12.17 | SpeedEvil | wifi on and mostly idle leads to a battery life of well over a day |
| 20:12.20 | SpeedEvil | that is - logged in |
| 20:12.24 | djkrikke | allright |
| 20:12.25 | SpeedEvil | with powersave on |
| 20:12.29 | ShadowJK | myrtti: yeah :( had prepared with beer and bowls of chips and all! |
| 20:12.39 | SpeedEvil | routers can vary significantly in their support of powersacing though |
| 20:14.25 | frals | Myrtti: giant mistake by kiprusoff yeah |
| 20:14.34 | manavs | is qt 4.5 optified? |
| 20:15.19 | ShadowJK | man, the pauses for comercials look kinda silly on a tv channel with no ads :) |
| 20:15.21 | djkrikke | what services do you have turned on SpeedEvil |
| 20:16.14 | SpeedEvil | that was a test with just ssh logged into tehr edvice |
| 20:16.15 | RST38h | Shit. |
| 20:16.17 | SpeedEvil | the device |
| 20:16.24 | RST38h | got Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus. |
| 20:16.50 | RST38h | Track #0 is Russian. Track #1 is.... |
| 20:17.00 | RST38h | ...Italian. Shit. Shit. Shit. |
| 20:17.14 | djkrikke | oh allright SpeedEvil |
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| 20:17.21 | SpeedEvil | Nothing for it but to learn Russian. |
| 20:17.26 | SpeedEvil | There are some benefits. |
| 20:17.39 | SpeedEvil | Watch A Fish Called Wanda for a demo. |
| 20:17.42 | RST38h | knows Russian. |
| 20:17.52 | RST38h | The translation sucks though. |
| 20:17.54 | SpeedEvil | oh. |
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| 20:23.02 | Myrtti | so, now that the hockey game is over... |
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| 20:23.09 | pupnik | n900 just fell off my shirt pocket onto a marble floor.. again.. |
| 20:23.49 | toggles_w | pupnik: beats putting it through a washing machine |
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| 20:27.33 | ShadowJK | Myrtti, wtf is this :) |
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| 20:28.03 | b-man17 | hmm, i'm getting "FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor" while runnung apt-get update in the fremantle sdk :\ |
| 20:29.01 | sheepbat | ..did it still work, toggles_w ? |
| 20:29.09 | Andrewfblack_ | Please excuss my spam but Recruiting people for help on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964 |
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| 20:32.46 | lcuk | Lynoure, cool stuff |
| 20:33.26 | wazd | wonders if anyone has camriped Alice premiere :D |
| 20:33.46 | lcuk | for similar ui stuff (and a desktop widget for your app) there is countdown widget application |
| 20:33.51 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 20:33.57 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 20:33.59 | RST38h | wazd: just wait a few weeks |
| 20:34.24 | wazd | RST38h: well, I was thinking of seeing it in 3D in the heatre |
| 20:34.33 | RST38h | 3d is overrated... |
| 20:34.45 | wazd | RST38h: just wondered who can be so desperate to camrip world premiere :D |
| 20:34.46 | Lynoure | lcuk: thanks :) |
| 20:35.13 | RST38h | wazd: camrip it in 3d, with two cams! |
| 20:35.23 | Lynoure | lcuk: I'm not yet sure what kind of desktop widget would work... So that will wait till I have more of the other stuff done |
| 20:35.37 | wazd | RST38h: no, with one huge iMax cam :D |
| 20:35.52 | wazd | RST38h: that's the spirit~ |
| 20:36.01 | lcuk | Lynoure, just install and take a look |
| 20:36.07 | lcuk | your app reminded me muchly of it |
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| 20:36.35 | Myrtti | goes to look at RememberTheMilk documentation |
| 20:36.39 | RST38h | wazd: with quickly rotating mirror |
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| 20:38.47 | Lynoure | lcuk: is countdown wigdet it's name? |
| 20:38.56 | lcuk | thats the name on the widget select |
| 20:39.06 | Lynoure | lcuk: I've been looking at quite many timer apps lately... |
| 20:39.09 | lcuk | i cant remember if its the actual name |
| 20:39.29 | Myrtti | Lynoure: feature request for RememberTheMilk support |
| 20:39.47 | Lynoure | Myrtti: why? |
| 20:40.01 | Lynoure | Myrtti: there are some apps with that already... |
| 20:40.09 | Myrtti | Lynoure: for N900? |
| 20:40.14 | Lynoure | Myrtti: yes |
| 20:40.22 | Myrtti | oh ok. |
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| 20:40.39 | Lynoure | Myrtti: I've never used RTM myself, don't want to hand my life plan to a 3rd party. |
| 20:40.40 | lcuk | "countdown home desktop widget" |
| 20:40.43 | Myrtti | nevermind me then |
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| 20:40.48 | Lynoure | Myrtti: but you could tell me what you like about it? |
| 20:41.18 | Myrtti | eases the synchronization between devices and ability to use it from the browser |
| 20:41.44 | Arif_ | ~hmm |
| 20:41.45 | infobot | hmm... hmm is hidden markov model |
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| 20:41.52 | Arif_ | heh |
| 20:42.13 | Lynoure | Eventually might do some synchronization support. Should not be too complicated |
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| 20:42.33 | Lynoure | probably no browser support, not interested in implementing all the same stuff for browsers. |
| 20:42.49 | lcuk | it harmonises the chemical bonding to ignite synapses for delivery of cow udder juice |
| 20:43.55 | wazd | RST38h: http://i050.radikal.ru/1002/6a/aaf704510c82.png <- what do you think? |
| 20:44.56 | MaikB | Hey guys, I just found out that the accelerometer in the N900 defines a left hand coordinate system. Being a engineer I was surprised by this, since most if not all physics related coordinate system are right hand. Are left hand coordinate system a common thing in electronic devices? |
| 20:45.09 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: err - what? |
| 20:45.14 | MaikB | sorry |
| 20:45.15 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: it has 3 axes. |
| 20:45.22 | MaikB | it has |
| 20:45.27 | Stskeeps | wazd: i'm worried about touch-wise closeness of top thing and back |
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| 20:45.28 | MaikB | x to the left |
| 20:45.30 | MaikB | y up |
| 20:45.31 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: the axes orientation is not specifically chosen. |
| 20:45.32 | MaikB | und z out |
| 20:45.56 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: as nobody cares about it. |
| 20:45.59 | wazd | Stskeeps: oh, that's an old shot, no back there :) |
| 20:46.01 | MaikB | SpeedEvil: I see |
| 20:46.16 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: it's simply what's most convenient to make. |
| 20:46.25 | lcuk | MaikB, can you not just invert the values and forget it ever happened? |
| 20:46.36 | lcuk | it might have just been a drunken day :D |
| 20:46.51 | SpeedEvil | Or more likely - what the person writing up the datasheet decided to call the axes |
| 20:47.09 | MaikB | lcuk: sure, It will just invert the x axis |
| 20:47.45 | MaikB | SpeedEvil: I assumed the for three entries in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord are x-y-z |
| 20:47.55 | MaikB | -for |
| 20:48.05 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: they are completely arbitrary |
| 20:48.22 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: register 34 (for example) might be X |
| 20:48.33 | SpeedEvil | but there is no reason you can't call it Y |
| 20:48.54 | SpeedEvil | and the orientation on the board also changes things. though not the coord system of course |
| 20:49.00 | MaikB | Well well.... I'm a bit shocked about this :P |
| 20:49.20 | SpeedEvil | post to TMO complaining. |
| 20:49.28 | SpeedEvil | It'll make more sense than some other complaints. |
| 20:50.52 | MaikB | I can live with this. |
| 20:51.14 | SpeedEvil | What's more important is for someone to write a nice cal routine. |
| 20:51.19 | MaikB | SpeedEvil: Did you work with other devices that got accelerometers? |
| 20:51.29 | SpeedEvil | The accels have a singificant bias and scale error. |
| 20:51.49 | lcuk | meh its not that significant but yeah, MaikB http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers |
| 20:52.07 | MaikB | lcuk: I did read this site before asking here :D |
| 20:52.13 | SpeedEvil | A simple 'turn it over and over several times' app that maps the accel readings to the surface of a spheroid, and then calculates offsets and biases from the shape of that spheroid... |
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| 20:52.24 | SpeedEvil | s/sphere/elipsoi/ |
| 20:52.25 | manavs | hello all |
| 20:52.36 | Lynoure | I frankly hate the default maemo5 way to select dates |
| 20:52.44 | lcuk | wonders if MaikB is a mole :P reading the wiki, knowledgable, articulate... :p |
| 20:52.46 | SpeedEvil | Lynoure: me too. |
| 20:52.46 | Lynoure | as it does not show weekdays when selecting |
| 20:52.56 | SpeedEvil | Lynoure: utterly broken. |
| 20:53.09 | Lynoure | "hmm, today is Tuesday so next Friday is... hmm..." |
| 20:53.19 | SpeedEvil | Lynoure: even neglecting the fact you can't set intervals of your choice. |
| 20:53.30 | Shapeshifter | Lynoure: you _can_ fix the Qt implementation of this |
| 20:53.49 | Shapeshifter | no idea about the gtk ui element |
| 20:53.57 | Shapeshifter | (if it's open source) |
| 20:54.01 | lcuk | Lynoure, SpeedEvil - agreed to a degree. just how would you make one then |
| 20:54.13 | Jaffa | Evening |
| 20:54.18 | lcuk | hey jaffa |
| 20:54.25 | Shapeshifter | lcuk: I'd make the sunday in a different color (e.g. gray background) |
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| 20:54.39 | Shapeshifter | would be enough orientation for me which weekday a day is. |
| 20:54.49 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: make what? |
| 20:55.00 | lcuk | a better date select |
| 20:55.02 | lcuk | make some mockups |
| 20:55.27 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: well - one way to keep the scrolly goodness would be to add a day scroller. |
| 20:55.46 | lcuk | post about then, dont tell me here they get lost and irc does not communicate meaning well |
| 20:55.50 | MaikB | I wonder if there are specifications about the accuracy of the accelerometer. I bet this is a general issue for embedded devices. And there must be code around to compensate |
| 20:55.53 | Lynoure | Shapeshifter: sounds like a great idea |
| 20:56.15 | SpeedEvil | If you select 'monday' - while leaving 2010 and 'march' selected - all of the dates that are monday in the day selctor are highlighted |
| 20:56.21 | MaikB | reinventing the wheel is fun, but takes a lot of time |
| 20:56.22 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: there are. |
| 20:56.34 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: there aren't general cal routines that I've seen |
| 20:56.43 | MaikB | SpeedEvil: google or garage? |
| 20:56.45 | SpeedEvil | A fit to spheroid code is quite simple. |
| 20:57.02 | SpeedEvil | look on the accel page for docs |
| 20:57.07 | SpeedEvil | or google lis302dl |
| 20:57.28 | Lynoure | lcuk: seems the date select I got without any attention gives me a calendar at doubleclick. Not fingerfriendly but works for me |
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| 20:58.54 | MaikB | SpeedEvil: Thx a ton! |
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| 21:03.45 | greenlion | hi. after one of updates on n900 I have Audio/Video/Documents/Images folders in file browser duplicated. is there any cure for it? |
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| 21:06.49 | wazd | Stskeeps: http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/1002/6f/c78289c1b298.png |
| 21:08.06 | MaikB | is there a dbus explorer for the n900, like qdbusviewer on a linux desktop? |
| 21:08.31 | MaikB | Or is (i)python and "import dbus" the way to go? |
| 21:08.40 | Stskeeps | there's a mdbus thing? |
| 21:08.59 | MaikB | Stskeeps: thx!! |
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| 21:11.32 | SpeedEvil | mdbus2 |
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| 21:13.29 | MaikB | does the job |
| 21:13.47 | Stskeeps | wazd: cool :) |
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| 21:17.08 | Shapeshifter | mh. is there a way to toggle fullscreen in scummvm? |
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| 21:18.32 | Fredrik1994 | hm |
| 21:18.50 | Fredrik1994 | is it possible to change owntext-colors in xchat somehow? :p |
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| 21:18.54 | Fredrik1994 | cannot find in preferences |
| 21:19.55 | ShadowJK | at most I think you can have your own nickname a different colour if you enable coloured nicknames |
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| 21:21.27 | Fredrik1994 | doesn't seems to change anything at all |
| 21:21.35 | Fredrik1994 | the default is hard to read. :< |
| 21:21.53 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 21:22.12 | ShadowJK | I'm not running with the maemo5 default :/ |
| 21:22.41 | Fredrik1994 | you have this color (or even darker) as owntext |
| 21:22.41 | djkrikke | shutting down for example openssh server on the n900, is that the same way as in debian? /etc/init.d/openssh-server stop |
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| 21:23.16 | ShadowJK | n900 uses upstart... and that's all I know |
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| 21:23.26 | djkrikke | ok, thanks for the info ShadowJK |
| 21:24.12 | Fredrik1994 | hm |
| 21:24.20 | Fredrik1994 | changing colors->local colors->30 seems to help |
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| 21:46.32 | Jaffa | offs for the weekend. |
| 21:53.04 | Arif_ | lol, Angry Birds is removed from the ovi store again |
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| 21:53.56 | Oli`` | What is the N900 path of the mass storage device (ie if I copy something to the phone over USB, where does it end up) ? |
| 21:54.17 | Arif_ | home/user/MyDocs? |
| 21:55.03 | Oli`` | Arif_: ah yes - I had checked there but I was still plugged in |
| 21:55.17 | Arif_ | remove the usb cable first ;) |
| 21:56.03 | Arif_ | hm |
| 21:56.06 | Arif_ | I have 300MB left now ;( |
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| 21:56.25 | Arif_ | hooray for microSD |
| 21:57.12 | c|oneman | microSD is the only media I would consider swallowing |
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| 21:57.26 | Arif_ | why the hell would you swallow it |
| 21:57.34 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't want to try find it again when it comes out, though |
| 21:57.41 | lcuk | c|oneman, what if theres some sharp data on it |
| 21:57.48 | Arif_ | your brain doesn't support FAT32 I assume :P |
| 21:58.49 | c|oneman | I mean, if I Needed to keep evidence for later |
| 21:58.52 | c|oneman | and not get caught with it |
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| 21:59.14 | lcuk | omg, the cops, quick hide the ikea catalog? |
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| 22:02.14 | pupnik_ | five more days housework and i'll have new dev studio setup |
| 22:02.29 | Proteous | angry bird levels! |
| 22:03.39 | microlith | :( |
| 22:03.55 | pupnik_ | a good loderunner clone would be fun |
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| 22:06.32 | Proteous | I played the shit out of loadrunner on my old mac plus |
| 22:06.58 | Proteous | that and dark castle |
| 22:08.43 | Arif_ | pupnik_, get a NES emulator :P |
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| 22:20.11 | GAN900 | Ooh |
| 22:20.15 | GAN900 | Dark Castle |
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| 22:29.53 | pupnik_ | Arif_: didnt know loderunner was released for nes |
| 22:30.16 | Arif_ | There's even Lode Runner 2 on NES |
| 22:30.20 | pupnik_ | yeah me or somebody also needs to port the mac emu |
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| 22:31.00 | pupnik_ | the canonical loderunner is for apple 2, which i also have running here |
| 22:31.33 | pupnik_ | nokia needs to kidnap me and put me in a basement somewhere away from internet |
| 22:31.42 | Arif_ | yeah |
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| 22:31.46 | Arif_ | more buggy Nokia software \o/ |
| 22:32.39 | pupnik_ | it isnt so hard to do a basic port. doing a good job takes some skill |
| 22:33.00 | Arif_ | ugh |
| 22:33.09 | Arif_ | have you played SEGA and Sonic Racing on PC? |
| 22:33.18 | pupnik_ | no |
| 22:33.41 | Arif_ | it's such a lazy port that they didn't even bother to let you TYPE your name in the profile creation |
| 22:33.55 | Arif_ | you have to scroll around the letters and enter them one by one :P |
| 22:34.16 | Arif_ | and there's no joystick support ={ |
| 22:34.26 | pupnik_ | that is because thew console game had no keyboard support |
| 22:34.40 | Arif_ | exactly |
| 22:34.47 | Arif_ | they made a lazier than lazy port :P |
| 22:34.58 | Arif_ | you still get the XBOX 360 icons in the tutorial :D |
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| 22:42.33 | pupnik_ | we should be able to do FOSS remakes of the simple classics. screw the warez |
| 22:44.58 | Arif_ | shhh |
| 22:45.13 | Arif_ | we should warez a lot so the emulators get improved! :P |
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| 22:51.11 | luke-jr | Arif_: warez are illegal; therefore, do FOSS remakes for the original platforms |
| 22:53.08 | Arif_ | But if you get one emulator to work good you'll have a lot of games to play in one go :) |
| 22:53.44 | Arif_ | and I doubt companies are still producing/selling NES/SNES/GBA games :O |
| 22:53.53 | satmd | you bet |
| 22:54.10 | satmd | they still claim their copyrights with claws and teeth |
| 22:54.23 | satmd | for stuff that's decades old |
| 22:54.43 | Arif_ | Maybe they're bored ;( |
| 22:55.06 | satmd | well, I've followed this discussions with amiga a500/a1200 emulation |
| 22:55.17 | Arif_ | what was the outcome? |
| 22:55.37 | satmd | "no you can't have the stuff even if we don't care about it anymore" |
| 22:55.52 | satmd | now cloanto is selling a bundle of emulation + games for win |
| 22:56.02 | satmd | so they got the retro fans pay licensing |
| 22:56.08 | satmd | another revenue for them |
| 22:56.23 | Arif_ | oh I remember a company selling a C64 emulator + games |
| 22:56.29 | Arif_ | some of those games had loaders in them :D |
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| 22:59.25 | satmd | listens to the public release of machinae supremacy - the great gianna sisters ;D |
| 22:59.38 | satmd | I'm off for today [23:59 here] |
| 23:03.27 | ShadowJK | satmd, aw, how can you leave without sending that file to me |
| 23:04.20 | redeeman | satmd: theres an unpublic release?! |
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