| 00:00.05 | nid0 | you took the effort of ripping off an ultimate license huh |
| 00:00.07 | nid0 | unlucky |
| 00:00.12 | Arif_ | yeah |
| 00:00.19 | Arif_ | it was the easiest to steal |
| 00:00.26 | redeeman | you actually stole it? |
| 00:00.31 | redeeman | or did you just pirate it? |
| 00:00.39 | Arif_ | pirating=stealing |
| 00:00.41 | redeeman | no |
| 00:00.44 | Arif_ | I pirated it |
| 00:00.46 | redeeman | stealing is when you take it from them |
| 00:00.47 | nid0 | cant even see why there is an ultimate edition tbh |
| 00:00.49 | redeeman | they no longer have it then |
| 00:00.52 | nid0 | and piracy != theft |
| 00:00.57 | sar3th | Arif_: who didn't |
| 00:01.09 | Arif_ | people who bought a new PC didn't |
| 00:01.10 | redeeman | people that don't use crap software? :P |
| 00:01.13 | Arif_ | they got home premium |
| 00:01.21 | sar3th | they suck :P |
| 00:01.24 | Arif_ | lol |
| 00:01.26 | cpscotti | lol funny discussion.... even today !! http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/1812244/Use-Open-Source-Then-Youre-a-Pirate |
| 00:01.43 | sar3th | and i was talking about ultimate edition ^^ |
| 00:01.44 | Arif_ | I'd never want loonix on my desktop |
| 00:01.50 | Arif_ | it's too much work getting it to work :P |
| 00:01.53 | redeeman | lol |
| 00:02.06 | SpeedEvil | Can we not do the OS wars thing, it's boring. |
| 00:02.08 | cpscotti | Arif_: you were right.. back in 2005 |
| 00:02.13 | redeeman | i spend less time administrating my system than you do yours :P |
| 00:02.31 | redeeman | 2005? linux has been by far the most friendly since ~2001-ish |
| 00:02.37 | dmj7261 | I use Linux cause it's easier |
| 00:03.21 | cpscotti | dmj7261: me too.. if you try installing both ANY windows and a modern linux distro in a new (virgin) box I'm pretty sure you'll change your opnion |
| 00:03.29 | dmj7261 | I hate spending an hour installing hardware that takes 1 second to install on windows. |
| 00:03.46 | dmj7261 | wait |
| 00:03.57 | cpscotti | just the idea of searching through those crap DVDs/CDs to search for drivers sucks |
| 00:04.03 | nid0 | er |
| 00:04.04 | dmj7261 | I reversed that...1 hour to install on windows 1 second on linux |
| 00:04.05 | nid0 | wat? |
| 00:04.06 | Arif_ | get my tv card working and then tell me loonix is easy |
| 00:04.08 | lcuk | i still prefer the xp window manager over other desktop managers. but whenever im in windows now i long for a decent console |
| 00:04.09 | Arif_ | :* |
| 00:04.09 | cpscotti | dmj7261: ... ueaheuahealol |
| 00:04.10 | cpscotti | lol |
| 00:04.11 | Arif_ | :( |
| 00:04.15 | nid0 | whats the last ms operating system you used, ME? |
| 00:04.20 | redeeman | Arif_: you get my tv card working in winblows |
| 00:04.22 | lcuk | and that as a consolephobe is surprising |
| 00:04.23 | redeeman | which is impossible |
| 00:04.35 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil: btw, if google is building an app for iPhone for the purpose of speech-to-text (voice search) won't they still keep the doors open? |
| 00:04.46 | Arif_ | redeeman which card is that |
| 00:04.47 | Arif_ | :D |
| 00:04.52 | redeeman | noname saa7134 based |
| 00:05.01 | cpscotti | "noname" |
| 00:05.04 | cpscotti | lol |
| 00:05.14 | redeeman | i also have a dvb-t card which only supports mpeg2 stations on winblows |
| 00:05.15 | Arif_ | has a TechnoTrend S2-3200 |
| 00:05.19 | pupnik | gles panning would be nice for exult |
| 00:05.19 | redeeman | but i can tune into mpeg4 stations on linux |
| 00:05.34 | Arif_ | have you tried DVBViewer =P |
| 00:05.39 | redeeman | which isn't really a card, since its usb |
| 00:05.45 | till- | is using a saa7134 card on kubuntu and windows xp |
| 00:05.52 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: maybe. It depends on their buisness case. |
| 00:05.52 | dmj7261 | Also, the n900 is much more painful to tether on windows than linux. |
| 00:06.04 | redeeman | i tried the thing that comes with it, which is grossly inferior to kaffeine on linux |
| 00:06.13 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: they may decide that they don't want to support the n900 platform, only iphone. |
| 00:06.17 | redeeman | till-: yes, my brothers different saa7134 works on winblows, mine does not |
| 00:06.19 | Arif_ | I couldn't get my CI addon to work on linux :( |
| 00:06.31 | Arif_ | then I gave up:D |
| 00:06.51 | till- | my dec-3000s usb dvb-s box only works under winxp |
| 00:06.56 | till- | damn closed source |
| 00:07.09 | Arif_ | hehe |
| 00:07.09 | redeeman | yes... some crap hardware exists |
| 00:07.25 | till- | but the only 12v dvb-s with usb and ci-slot |
| 00:07.28 | redeeman | ofcourse that doesn't change the fact that linux has support for more than twice the devices windows does |
| 00:07.42 | cpscotti | redeeman: =] |
| 00:07.44 | cpscotti | lol |
| 00:07.47 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil: Native systems will anyway suck right, I mean there is no point in optimising sphinx or any of its family members |
| 00:07.48 | Arif_ | Linux is awesome if you bother tinkering with it |
| 00:07.49 | Arif_ | =D |
| 00:07.50 | dmj7261 | I have a tv tuner somewhere that only works under winxp if you can find the driver cd (non online) and nowhere else |
| 00:08.04 | till- | windows may have more drivers available, but the linux ones are mostly build into the kernel |
| 00:08.12 | till- | which i prefer :) |
| 00:08.19 | dmj7261 | I like the fact that linux bundles all the drivers |
| 00:08.24 | Arif_ | till-, have you considered the TT 3650 :O |
| 00:08.26 | dmj7261 | ...means stuff just works |
| 00:08.43 | cpscotti | till-: Yuup! and getting drivers for windows is a crazy-suicide-downloadspyware-nightmare |
| 00:08.51 | dmj7261 | WIndows makes you go looking for random executables |
| 00:09.05 | nid0 | seriously you guys, last windows version you used really was ME wasnt it? |
| 00:09.07 | Arif_ | Windows makes you download drivers from com.tw sites at 500B/s |
| 00:09.12 | till- | Arif_ too expensive for my case :) |
| 00:09.18 | lcuk | linux doesnt, but it makes you sacrifice firstborn by entering 3 pages of mystic runes |
| 00:09.26 | dmj7261 | I've got an xp box |
| 00:09.28 | kakashi_ | the OS wars are never going to end |
| 00:09.31 | kakashi_ | :) |
| 00:09.34 | dmj7261 | ...it's sitting unused |
| 00:09.38 | lcuk | sure they will kakashi_ |
| 00:09.40 | Arif_ | Linux makes you up and downgrade 50 dependancies that don't work |
| 00:09.41 | Arif_ | :p |
| 00:09.41 | cpscotti | nid0: I use vista at work. installing vista without the TWO driver's DVD on my DELL laptop IS impossible |
| 00:09.52 | nid0 | ah so you have an ms operating system thats a mere 8 years old. how hot were linux distros back then? |
| 00:10.07 | redeeman | nid0: still supporting more hardware directly |
| 00:10.08 | till- | apt/dpkg does that for me :) |
| 00:10.19 | dmj7261 | ...and I have access to legit win 7, but it's been sitting there for a long time not installed. |
| 00:10.21 | cpscotti | nid0: vista, OOTB, goes into a 640x480 resolution from the last millennium |
| 00:10.23 | nid0 | really really not |
| 00:10.23 | Arif_ | yeah untill it screws up and refuses to continue |
| 00:10.24 | Arif_ | XD |
| 00:10.24 | redeeman | hell, up until 3 years ago you had to use FLOPPIES or modified cd's to get microsofts OS onto a sata drive |
| 00:11.05 | till- | i use ubuntu and windows xp/7, ubuntu for internet, work, media and win for games |
| 00:11.09 | cpscotti | redeeman: lol!!! those funny truths are really awesome! |
| 00:11.09 | Arif_ | throws the loonix penguin out of the window |
| 00:11.20 | nid0 | vista does that if you have some graphics card thats also from the last millenium sure. both vista (which i dont use) and win7 (which I do) on this system fires up *first boot* with both of my screens at their native 1680x1050 each |
| 00:11.27 | nid0 | damned if I can get any nix distro to do that |
| 00:11.41 | lcuk | amiga workbench will return :) |
| 00:11.45 | dmj7261 | try mine? |
| 00:11.53 | cpscotti | dmj7261: 2x |
| 00:11.54 | lcuk | and you bitches will know its the one true os |
| 00:11.56 | nid0 | I undoubtedly have |
| 00:11.57 | lcuk | :p |
| 00:12.03 | till- | ubuntu fired my screen at 1920x1200 :) |
| 00:12.13 | nid0 | sure, itll fire one screen up at native res |
| 00:12.18 | cpscotti | well.. I feel better now after this whole discussion.. I have some friends.. but ok.. there are two worlds... |
| 00:12.18 | dmj7261 | oh...yeah, I might need to use the gui to activate the second. |
| 00:12.24 | nid0 | and on a base install the 2nd one will sit there black. |
| 00:12.25 | Arif_ | what have I started... :P |
| 00:12.40 | dmj7261 | ...so add about a minute. |
| 00:12.42 | pupnik | lcuk: will you test amiga emu if i get sound working? |
| 00:12.45 | lcuk | Arif_, we shall look back on this day and know |
| 00:12.49 | nid0 | minute more than win7 needs |
| 00:12.56 | till- | both have their pros and cons .. use what suit your needs ... :) |
| 00:13.00 | Arif_ | :) |
| 00:13.04 | till- | done |
| 00:13.15 | Arif_ | OSX FTW |
| 00:13.18 | lcuk | pupnik, if you mke the modifications to what im working on |
| 00:13.26 | pupnik | hey it's till- :) |
| 00:13.29 | Arif_ | it only costs an arm and a leg, and a kidney to upgrade! |
| 00:13.41 | cpscotti | some people think that we use linux because it is free or because it is open source.. today I would say that I use it just because it fits best my needs =] |
| 00:13.45 | pupnik | hey it's till- :) |
| 00:13.49 | pupnik | you got an amiga emu in the works lcuk ? |
| 00:13.50 | dmj7261 | ...yeah, but I don't have to screw with sound card drivers in exchange for that minute. |
| 00:14.02 | nid0 | yet you seem to deride people for whom windows fits better cpscotti. nice attitude |
| 00:14.10 | nid0 | sound card drivers? wtf are they |
| 00:14.18 | dmj7261 | I use it for many reasons, including the FOSSiness, but the fact that it works very well is important |
| 00:14.22 | lcuk | glol pupnik |
| 00:14.25 | lcuk | no |
| 00:14.35 | lcuk | but it would be awesome |
| 00:14.41 | lcuk | to pull back amiga native screens |
| 00:14.41 | Arif_ | sound cards needed drivers back in Win98 :( |
| 00:14.46 | dmj7261 | I wouldn't recommend Linux as the main OS for a gamer or video editor. |
| 00:14.48 | cpscotti | nid0: you are right.. but anyway.. this is IRC.. there is always those moments when you want to feel stupid and nazi |
| 00:14.55 | nid0 | number of drivers needing any form of manual installation on this hardware on first boot win7 = 0 |
| 00:16.02 | Arif_ | hands nid0 a driver cd |
| 00:16.06 | nid0 | nevarh! |
| 00:16.12 | Arif_ | but but |
| 00:16.20 | mtd | anyone having issues with telepathy-haze (specifically AIM / Yahoo) where the account gets disconnected and numeric fields in the account's advanced settings become corrupted (blank or weird huge negative numbers)? |
| 00:16.20 | Arif_ | you need teh tv card driv0rz! |
| 00:16.28 | mtd | (n900) |
| 00:16.35 | nid0 | notrly, i have an actual real proper tv right there < |
| 00:16.54 | Arif_ | my proper TV doesn't have a CI slot |
| 00:16.59 | Arif_ | o.O |
| 00:17.41 | Arif_ | hey wait |
| 00:17.46 | Arif_ | my PC is connected to my TV! |
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| 00:51.11 | pupnik | http://www.geekosystem.com/cryptome-leaks-microsofts-online-surveillance-guide-ms-demands-takedown |
| 00:51.54 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 00:52.28 | Arif_ | I wonder what all those thingies in alsamixer do... |
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| 00:56.47 | nid0 | hm, anyone hot with qtirreco? |
| 00:57.19 | Arif_ | yeah, it doesn't work for me |
| 00:57.19 | Arif_ | :p |
| 00:57.36 | nid0 | kinda ditto, my device doesnt seem to be transmitting an ir signal at all |
| 00:57.39 | nid0 | :\ |
| 00:57.52 | Arif_ | nothing happens when I poke my added buttons |
| 00:58.00 | Arif_ | I tried all 3 remotes available for my device |
| 00:58.06 | pwnguin | every tv ive come across hasnt been in the db =( |
| 00:58.27 | SpeedEvil | Do you have another webcam? |
| 00:58.29 | Arif_ | TechnoTrend S2-3200 has 3 remotes of which all 3 don't work for me :D |
| 00:58.30 | nid0 | there are plenty of similar remotes to mine (though none of my exact ones exist) and I can happily record it |
| 00:58.31 | SpeedEvil | point it at IR device |
| 00:58.41 | nid0 | but I get no output from the n900 atall in the first place |
| 00:59.02 | SpeedEvil | nid0: point camera at n900 you should be able to see IR |
| 00:59.05 | nid0 | did |
| 00:59.06 | nid0 | cant |
| 00:59.16 | nid0 | all other remotes shine a blue light into my camera as expected |
| 00:59.18 | nid0 | n900 = nothing |
| 00:59.28 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 00:59.39 | SpeedEvil | I would suggest learning to juggle. |
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| 00:59.59 | Arif_ | get a real remote ;) |
| 01:00.00 | nid0 | im a pretty good juggler, but a handy touchscreen remote would be nice :( |
| 01:00.15 | dmj7261 | how do you make (qt?)irreco work with non-preconfigured tvs? |
| 01:00.15 | Arif_ | like the logitech harmony |
| 01:00.16 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 01:00.29 | SpeedEvil | Any error messages from the IR? |
| 01:00.34 | SpeedEvil | in dmesg? |
| 01:00.52 | nid0 | dmj7261, either try something similar to your remote, or record a remote with another irda device, or look up the spec sheet of your remote if it exists, then generate a config file based on it |
| 01:01.26 | dmj7261 | n900 itself can't detect other remote's output, can it? |
| 01:02.01 | nid0 | dmesg outputs nothing atall relating to ir when I start up / try to use qtirreco |
| 01:02.12 | nid0 | lircd is running tho |
| 01:02.29 | nid0 | dmj7261 no, you need a device that supports irda and appropriate capture software |
| 01:03.22 | lcuk | cpscotti, first time in london? |
| 01:03.52 | cpscotti | lcuk: second.. |
| 01:03.56 | lcuk | heh |
| 01:04.02 | cpscotti | I went there at the end of jan also |
| 01:04.14 | lcuk | the location you chose is great for a load of people, right between the stations |
| 01:04.28 | lcuk | whether anyone manages to arrive is a different issue |
| 01:04.31 | cpscotti | yep... I imagined.. |
| 01:05.06 | lcuk | shall need to give people a bit more warning |
| 01:05.10 | cpscotti | well.. I picked it also because last time I was there and it was nice |
| 01:05.31 | cpscotti | (and near the hostel I'm staying..) |
| 01:05.42 | cpscotti | well. what kind of warning... any ideas? |
| 01:06.01 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 01:06.13 | lcuk | if you wanted a load of people to travel to centre of london who dont normally |
| 01:07.03 | cpscotti | should we start a new thread at talk? |
| 01:07.10 | ShadowJK | lol, this is pretty awesome, "Created 02/25/10 03:06:15, Source IP: 192.168.42.16" |
| 01:07.20 | ShadowJK | inadvertedly manages to spoof his LAN ip onto maemo.org |
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| 01:08.18 | lcuk | cpscotti, ? |
| 01:08.46 | lcuk | im just saying at least for me getting to london needs more than a days notice ;) |
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| 01:10.03 | cpscotti | ahhaha |
| 01:10.09 | cpscotti | lcuk: yeh yeh.. I imagined that.. |
| 01:10.18 | cpscotti | the prob is that I just got the idea today.. |
| 01:10.29 | lcuk | nods |
| 01:10.32 | lcuk | how long you over for |
| 01:10.44 | cpscotti | only until monday.. |
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| 01:11.02 | lcuk | and if you can get a massive roll of bubble wrap we could thoroughly cover our n900s and have the n900fly competition to beat all |
| 01:11.18 | cpscotti | (my idea is that is some poeple answer there, we do something.. otherwise we just postpone it) |
| 01:11.26 | cpscotti | Lol |
| 01:11.49 | lcuk | i got 3.51m by putting my 900 inside rolled up sleeping bag |
| 01:11.50 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:11.51 | cpscotti | that would be something *wrong* |
| 01:12.01 | cpscotti | really.. I heard about people doing that.. |
| 01:12.05 | cpscotti | it's damn funny |
| 01:12.18 | cpscotti | I just got 1.82 and decided it is enough.. |
| 01:12.24 | lcuk | lol |
| 01:12.35 | lcuk | i stopped natively throwing mine when i banged it on the ceiling |
| 01:12.56 | cpscotti | lol!! rofl! |
| 01:13.04 | lcuk | its a bit trigger happy |
| 01:13.11 | cpscotti | ye.. |
| 01:13.16 | lcuk | most times when i catch it it reacts as if it had a 0.01s flight |
| 01:13.25 | cpscotti | I really think the app could use some "artwork" and all.. for the fun.. |
| 01:13.27 | lcuk | i was doing some tracing with my graphing version |
| 01:13.38 | cpscotti | ahh.. yes.. that is also a problem.. |
| 01:13.47 | lcuk | its quite easy |
| 01:13.52 | cpscotti | it is VERY simple to solve.. |
| 01:13.59 | lcuk | ive got a seismograph that scrolls amazingly well |
| 01:14.45 | cpscotti | I feel a little bit ashamed of that "detail" but I'm always more interested in something else.. loo |
| 01:14.45 | cpscotti | l |
| 01:15.07 | lcuk | yeah |
| 01:15.17 | lcuk | tis ok, the idea is there |
| 01:15.23 | lcuk | and it caught imagination by being daring |
| 01:15.55 | lcuk | we need sound effects |
| 01:16.01 | lcuk | when you catch it |
| 01:16.07 | lcuk | after a long one it should ouch |
| 01:16.30 | cpscotti | yep.. and it should give some warning if the impact was too bad |
| 01:16.37 | lcuk | hah |
| 01:16.40 | cpscotti | takinf pics on the air.. |
| 01:16.44 | lcuk | i think the pieces on the floor will tell you that |
| 01:16.51 | lcuk | yeah i saw the thread |
| 01:17.09 | lcuk | streaming video would be simplest as was noted |
| 01:17.15 | cpscotti | well.. the accelerometer only gets until 2.3 |
| 01:17.55 | cpscotti | we could establish a "too hard but not destructive" windows |
| 01:18.19 | lcuk | n900 juggling would be feasible |
| 01:19.03 | lcuk | anyway, i have stuff to get on with \o |
| 01:19.13 | lcuk | have a safe trip tomorrow, and if people turn up, great |
| 01:19.17 | cpscotti | thnaks.. |
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| 01:19.29 | cpscotti | have fun there |
| 01:19.33 | cpscotti | see ya sometime |
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| 01:25.02 | ptl | microsoft and its evil acts again: http://www.geekosystem.com/cryptome-leaks-microsofts-online-surveillance-guide-ms-demands-takedown |
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| 02:10.35 | Felipe_TS | cpscotti |
| 02:10.41 | Felipe_TS | ping? |
| 02:11.00 | cpscotti | Felipe_TS: ahoy! |
| 02:11.17 | Felipe_TS | que pasa? |
| 02:12.09 | cpscotti | haha... lol |
| 02:12.30 | Felipe_TS | ok |
| 02:12.47 | Felipe_TS | remember when the mirc was a huge hit? |
| 02:12.51 | Felipe_TS | i miss those times |
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| 02:14.03 | cpscotti | well.. it is in fact! a hit for those who see beyond.. |
| 02:14.49 | Felipe_TS | that´s truth |
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| 02:38.23 | Wild_Doogy | Hey, what video format should I convert to for putting a movie on my N900? |
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| 02:55.00 | cehteh | yay ... led pattern editor |
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| 03:52.21 | adalal | is there a calling card software? |
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| 03:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | what's a calling card software? |
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| 03:56.39 | adalal | as in, a software where you can store a calling card details and it automatically dials the combination and the phone number from the address book |
| 03:57.01 | adalal | instead of, either changing every entry, or trying to enter the calling card details everytime |
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| 03:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 03:58.47 | adalal | they had applications (albeit paid) for the symbian os |
| 03:58.56 | adalal | well, there were* |
| 03:59.55 | cehteh | are calling cards still common? i never used one |
| 04:00.17 | adalal | well, to call international destination from your phone would be kind of expensive if you dial directly |
| 04:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | the nasty part is there are a lot of closed bits around addressbook and dialer |
| 04:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 04:00.41 | adalal | ah, |
| 04:00.56 | cehteh | i think you can dial via dbus |
| 04:01.10 | crashanddie_ | adalal: use skype |
| 04:01.22 | adalal | like i have a voip application (which i can use while around wifi) that can call US from the UK for £0.005 a minute |
| 04:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | sure, but how trigger dialing via callcard from e.g. contacts? |
| 04:01.27 | cehteh | and the address book .. well find out if the api offers such else use something else |
| 04:01.33 | adalal | skype is voip |
| 04:01.46 | adalal | what about calling cards that you can buy from stores..? |
| 04:01.48 | cehteh | you can call landline from skype for little fees worldwide |
| 04:02.03 | crashanddie_ | adalal: skype will always be cheaper than calling cards |
| 04:02.20 | crashanddie_ | adalal: just get a 3g network that accepts skype :) |
| 04:02.28 | crashanddie_ | vodafone in the uk does |
| 04:02.31 | adalal | crashanddie_: it actually isn't, i can talk to people in india for 5+ hours and spend only £2 |
| 04:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | skype is for lussers, and for sure won't help when abroad |
| 04:02.52 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: sorry? |
| 04:02.54 | cehteh | heh i didnt tried if my provider allows skype over 3g ... |
| 04:02.57 | adalal | so does O2, 3 and all... they have terms and conditions prohibiting voip application |
| 04:02.59 | cehteh | using it over wlan |
| 04:03.02 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: I travel worldwide and only use skype |
| 04:03.14 | cehteh | and i set up an vpn now .. i could tunnel skype anyways :) |
| 04:03.20 | adalal | i find betamax services very useful and cheap :P |
| 04:03.36 | adalal | although they dont really have any customer service per say |
| 04:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: I'd like to have your worldwide roaming dataplan, prepaid for 5 years :-P |
| 04:03.55 | crashanddie_ | adalal: if you love it so much, develop an app for it, if you don't want to do that, don't complain about it |
| 04:04.00 | cehteh | (i dont like skype, but in lack of worldwide alternatives which are *easy* to use) |
| 04:04.08 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: I'm on average at 800 quid per month... |
| 04:04.19 | adalal | crashanddie_: sorry for sounding naggy lol, i was just wondering if there was an application that was being built :P |
| 04:04.30 | crashanddie_ | the answer is no |
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| 04:04.46 | adalal | 800 quid?! they allow that much credit on UK networks? |
| 04:04.54 | cehteh | emacs has dbus support and bbdb ... go on :) |
| 04:04.57 | crashanddie_ | for all reasons provided previously: nobody uses calling cards from mobiles. In most of the world calling the operator's number (for the calling card access) is overcharged anyway from mobiles |
| 04:05.15 | adalal | i disagree on that :P |
| 04:05.16 | crashanddie_ | adalal: corporate contract |
| 04:05.19 | adalal | fair enough |
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| 04:05.44 | cehteh | i didnt even know that calling cards are usable from mobiles |
| 04:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | sure they are |
| 04:05.56 | leandroal | How can I add a folder in the N900 menu (in More... or in the main menu) through maemo api, so that I can put only my own links to my applications? |
| 04:06.30 | crashanddie_ | leandroal: look into catorise |
| 04:06.31 | cehteh | rtfm/use the source .. there are some apps which do that already |
| 04:06.38 | cehteh | catorize and mymenu |
| 04:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | adalal: if you manage to find someone willing to implement it: an additional service might do the trick (like SIP, IM, etc) |
| 04:08.47 | adalal | shall.. :P, i wanna get into programming for the n900 :P... jus that uni life makes it so much harder |
| 04:12.29 | crashanddie_ | adalal: bollocks. You're at uni which means you have more free time than an unemployed bum |
| 04:13.17 | adalal | crashanddie_: i wish, but being in year 3 with an R&D project does turn things around |
| 04:17.50 | leandroal | crashanddie_, thanks! |
| 04:22.28 | crashanddie_ | adalal: people in uni always think they're working a lot. That opinion changes quickly when they start working -- for real (and I'm talking about a real, 90 hour-week job, not 9 to 5) |
| 04:25.36 | adalal | 18 hour days? |
| 04:26.50 | adalal | legal rules in the UK state 48 hours a week, with certain exceptions... that's almost twice the limit, lol |
| 04:29.41 | derf | 90 hour/week jobs usually involve all 7 days. |
| 04:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | 90h/week jobs usually proove there's a butload of shitty management involved in a project |
| 04:34.26 | cehteh | intentional shitty |
| 04:35.12 | adalal | even then.. . |
| 04:36.39 | adalal | jus less than 12 hours a day, for 7 days a week, unless you signed for an opt-out, and the employer's seriously abusing the agreement |
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| 05:07.37 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: someone working 90 hours a week either has their priorities wrong, or is getting screwed over, or both |
| 05:08.21 | luke-jr | didn't someone do a study and find that beyond X number of hours, there's no benefit? |
| 05:10.39 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: there's definitely a monetary benefit ;) |
| 05:10.53 | ptl | what should I use when programming in python to the N900: PyQt or PySide? |
| 05:10.55 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: so the former option :p |
| 05:11.10 | luke-jr | ptl: PyQt, if you must use Python :/ |
| 05:11.11 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: fair point |
| 05:11.52 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: I suppose unless such a person plans to take a year or two off work (perhaps to bootstrap a startup without funding) |
| 05:11.52 | ptl | if you must use? is python that bad? |
| 05:11.58 | luke-jr | ptl: IMO :)\ |
| 05:12.19 | luke-jr | (and has no family yet) |
| 05:12.22 | ptl | ok, what language do you recommend? C? C++? perl? ruby? |
| 05:12.25 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: sorry, didn't get that |
| 05:13.29 | crashanddie_ | ptl: C++ takes a long time to compile, but offers fast execution and object-oriented programming, C compiles very fast and executes very fast, but doesn't offer object oriented programming, perl is slow unless you're parsing strings, ruby is crap |
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| 05:15.56 | luke-jr | ptl: for a GUI app, native Qt |
| 05:16.27 | ptl | I do program already and know much of these languages (except ruby) |
| 05:16.37 | ptl | but I don't have experience with mobile programming |
| 05:16.45 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: basically, I'm just saying that 90 hrs/wk leaves no time for a PURPOSE to someone's life. work exists to earn a living; living should have a purpose too :) |
| 05:16.55 | ptl | python has object-orientation features that sort of exceed C++'s |
| 05:17.19 | luke-jr | ptl: Qt is a language based on (and to some degree compatible with) C++ |
| 05:17.20 | ptl | and I am still in the planning phase of a shopping list program. |
| 05:17.22 | crashanddie_ | ptl: remember the 90s? |
| 05:17.31 | ptl | luke-jr: I know Qt, moc and such |
| 05:17.36 | ptl | crashanddie_: ? |
| 05:17.41 | luke-jr | ptl: that's what I'd write a GUI in :) |
| 05:17.52 | crashanddie_ | ptl: try to imagine you have CPU from the late 90s |
| 05:17.59 | ptl | luke-jr: yeah, but Qt is not C++ only, it has bindings for a number of languages |
| 05:17.59 | crashanddie_ | ptl: do you really want to use an interpreted language on it? |
| 05:18.23 | crashanddie_ | ptl: are your OO requirements so high that you need Python's 2 extra bits at the cost of performance? |
| 05:18.23 | ptl | crashanddie_: why not? it would make it easier to debug, it would make it faster to add features |
| 05:18.31 | luke-jr | ptl: Qt is a language, based on C++. Other languages have bindings to utilize the features of the language they are lacking in :) |
| 05:19.04 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: agreed -- I've stopped doing 90h weeks since quite recently (a month roughly) |
| 05:19.15 | ptl | crashanddie_: no, of course not, but how could performance be an issue in a shopping list program? in a menu-driven program? |
| 05:19.26 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: much better having a life, no? :) |
| 05:19.43 | crashanddie_ | ptl: hey, I'm just giving arguments, not doing a requirements analysis bro ;) |
| 05:20.00 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: pretty hard to find things to do -- and not go back to working long hours |
| 05:20.02 | ptl | You guys confused me. I was all set to python. |
| 05:20.16 | crashanddie_ | ptl: so if you were all set, why ask? |
| 05:20.34 | crashanddie_ | ptl: just kidding, I know you didn't ask :) Just look at a few apps in C and Python respectively |
| 05:20.43 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: Maemo = work? |
| 05:21.19 | crashanddie_ | ptl: if you notice a difference in usability, make a decision based on that, if you can't notice anything different -- or at least for your use-cases, make a decision as well |
| 05:21.52 | crashanddie_ | ptl: but as the person who's going to be developing it, you should feel comfortable, and apparently you much prefer Python than luke-jr and myself together |
| 05:22.02 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: not at all |
| 05:22.16 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: well, depends if I'm working with the CTO or not |
| 05:22.32 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: when he's around me, I kinda blend work and Maemo together :) |
| 05:23.07 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 05:23.25 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: time to start a family and play catchup to me? <.< |
| 05:23.44 | crashanddie_ | I'm happy with my life mate |
| 05:23.56 | DaveQB | hildon-desktop is pegging my cpu at 100% usage, I have restarted the tracker-process, pulled out memory cards etc. Any ideas? |
| 05:24.27 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: that's why I'm not married yet, maybe I want to be happy for a couple more years :D |
| 05:24.38 | luke-jr | haha |
| 05:24.38 | crashanddie_ | DaveQB: reboot? |
| 05:24.41 | DaveQB | I am going to have to reflash this thing I think |
| 05:24.50 | DaveQB | crashanddie_ oh done then, so many times. |
| 05:24.51 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: if you don't hurry you won't stand a chance though! :p |
| 05:24.57 | luke-jr | I'm already on #4 |
| 05:25.26 | DaveQB | It's PPID is the maemo-launcher |
| 05:25.30 | DaveQB | If that means anything. |
| 05:25.45 | luke-jr | Its* |
| 05:26.27 | DaveQB | hildon-desktop |
| 05:27.22 | crashanddie_ | DaveQB: did you reboot? |
| 05:27.33 | DaveQB | Oh yeah, about 11 times now. |
| 05:27.46 | DaveQB | Pulled battery for a few minutes while it was off too |
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| 05:28.06 | DaveQB | It doesn't seem linked the the tracker and indexing though |
| 05:28.23 | DaveQB | Those processes are actually dying eventually, I guess running out of resources. |
| 05:29.10 | DaveQB | I haven't got strace either, so can't attempt to see what this process is doing... :( |
| 05:29.27 | crashanddie_ | strace would give you way too much information |
| 05:29.30 | crashanddie_ | useless information |
| 05:29.40 | crashanddie_ | check dmesg for the obvious hardware switches in inconsistent states |
| 05:29.45 | MiXu- | DaveQB: I've had the same issue once |
| 05:29.50 | DaveQB | Not really, it would help to get an idea of what on earth this process is doing |
| 05:29.56 | DaveQB | MiXu- oh? |
| 05:30.06 | MiXu- | The device eventually regained it's senses after tons of rebooting :D |
| 05:30.17 | DaveQB | MiXu- define tonnes? ;-) |
| 05:30.25 | DaveQB | I have been at this for 3 hours now |
| 05:30.42 | MiXu- | something like 5 reboots + some waiting time helped |
| 05:30.48 | DaveQB | hmmm |
| 05:31.31 | Shapeshifter | wtf?! I just woke up to find that my n900 had developed some dubios hardware fault: the bezel around the keyboard is not so slightly lifted towards me so that there's some light leakage from below and it looks really bad. and I didnt do anything with it. |
| 05:31.32 | crashanddie_ | that's terrible advice |
| 05:31.58 | DaveQB | Shapeshifter man that sucks!! |
| 05:32.00 | Shapeshifter | and it doesnt let me push it back in, it just comes out again |
| 05:32.01 | crashanddie_ | DaveQB: just reflash and be done with it |
| 05:32.20 | luke-jr | DaveQB: just install Gentoo and ignore Maemo |
| 05:32.20 | DaveQB | crashanddie_ I think I need to, but can't now as I am at work, be a while to I am home. |
| 05:32.21 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 05:32.34 | DaveQB | luke-jr hahaha the GCC screensaver |
| 05:32.52 | luke-jr | my N810 runs Gentoo! |
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| 05:33.06 | DaveQB | luke-jr god damn! That is crazy |
| 05:33.19 | DaveQB | This is my main phone. SO not much tinkering with it for me.. |
| 05:33.27 | luke-jr | pfft |
| 05:33.39 | luke-jr | why spend money on something that's just a dumb phone? :p |
| 05:33.59 | luke-jr | N900 practically requires tinkering, doesn't it? |
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| 05:34.38 | MiXu- | I wouldn't say require, but tinkering with it is very tempting. :) |
| 05:34.56 | DaveQB | I tinker carefully. |
| 05:35.05 | MiXu- | But if you don't tinker, it's a waste. |
| 05:35.06 | luke-jr | on another note, KDE 4.3.5 is a drastic improvement over 4.3.3 |
| 05:35.24 | luke-jr | I actually am not swapping (on my desktop) for once |
| 05:35.47 | luke-jr | before, I was always at least 2 GB into swap |
| 05:36.26 | DaveQB | luke-jr how much RAM? |
| 05:36.40 | luke-jr | DaveQB: 2 GB |
| 05:37.08 | luke-jr | DaveQB: note that I actively use about 20 virtual desktops |
| 05:37.14 | Shapeshifter | luke-jr: i suspect somethings wrong. i have kde on my htpc and it doesnt swap |
| 05:37.20 | Shapeshifter | ohh |
| 05:37.49 | luke-jr | I'm also 64-bit :p |
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| 05:42.19 | DaveQB | luke-jr Oh ok. I see |
| 05:42.27 | DaveQB | Well get some more RAM and all good |
| 05:42.36 | luke-jr | DDR1 RAM is too expensive |
| 05:42.45 | luke-jr | it'll have to wait until I decide to upgrade everything |
| 05:42.52 | dmj7261 | Tinkering isn't required, it's encouraged. |
| 05:42.56 | luke-jr | and besides, as I said, KDE 4.3.5 improves enough that I don't need it :P |
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| 05:48.52 | DaveQB | Ahh ok, got strace installed. |
| 05:49.21 | DaveQB | hildon-desktop is complaining about resource not availabe. Ref FD 11 which is a socket |
| 05:49.24 | DaveQB | Bloody hell. |
| 05:49.29 | DaveQB | Anyone good with sockets? :) |
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| 06:49.18 | johnx | m00f RST38h |
| 06:50.09 | Stskeeps | moo johnx |
| 06:50.19 | johnx | hey Stskeeps |
| 06:50.36 | johnx | looks like I got the debian mobile guys to listen. they can be taught! |
| 06:50.51 | RST38h | johnx: Electric shock? |
| 06:51.05 | johnx | more evil: harsh reality. |
| 06:54.48 | Corsac | johnx: about? |
| 06:55.31 | johnx | about not thinking they can just go and install debian on their N900s then go back and dpkg -i all the Nokia binaries and have something that remotely works. |
| 06:56.18 | Corsac | :) |
| 06:57.17 | thresh | are 'debian mobile guys' any like 'debian embedded guys' ? |
| 06:57.27 | johnx | nope |
| 06:57.49 | johnx | sorry, this is a very specific set of guys on talk.m.o |
| 06:57.54 | johnx | not really associated with debian.org in any way |
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| 06:59.04 | johnx | it was really just a case of them walking in to the party late and not realizing that other people had been trying to do the "simply" thing they just thought up for the last 2 years |
| 07:01.23 | openstandards | does anyone know if we'll ever be able to play videos without KMplayer from the media gallery with extra codecs |
| 07:02.06 | Shapeshifter | this piece of plastic is a heap of junk -.- |
| 07:02.29 | openstandards | what Shapeshifter? |
| 07:02.46 | Shapeshifter | my keyboard bezel starts coming off. |
| 07:02.52 | Shapeshifter | the device is two weeks old |
| 07:03.35 | openstandards | return it and get a new one from the shop |
| 07:03.49 | openstandards | i'm happy with the build quality of mine thou |
| 07:04.22 | Shapeshifter | Yeah I'll go to the shop today most probably |
| 07:05.03 | Shapeshifter | mh. or maybe in a couple of weeks. the shop still has a huge backlog for ordered devices and none in stock |
| 07:05.08 | openstandards | i can't see them having any problem with exchanging it as it is nokia's flagship device its not like its a cheap device |
| 07:06.01 | openstandards | Shapeshifter, report it to them now and get them to ring you when they have one in store |
| 07:06.18 | Shapeshifter | ha, there's no nokia shop in my country ;) |
| 07:06.44 | Shapeshifter | the shop where I bought it can exchange it immediately if they have it in stock. else they'll need to get one first |
| 07:07.47 | openstandards | same like mine, however i'm sure they will want to keep your custom in the future so good custom service will bend over backwards for you |
| 07:08.19 | Shapeshifter | heh. we'll see about that |
| 07:09.02 | openstandards | :) |
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| 07:23.09 | tekojo | Morning lbt! |
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| 07:24.21 | johnx | hey lbt :) |
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| 07:33.36 | timeless_mbp | hello tekojo |
| 07:33.41 | timeless_mbp | broke terminal.app |
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| 07:49.44 | crashanddie | pwned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Uos2fzIJ0 |
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| 07:50.54 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: how the hell d'you that? |
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| 07:51.32 | timeless_mbp | really not sure |
| 07:51.44 | timeless_mbp | i'm wondering if http://pastebin.mozilla.org/704735 is relevant |
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| 07:53.57 | johnx | harddisk on the way out? |
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| 07:57.13 | timeless_mbp | nope, that one left my mbp yesterday night |
| 07:57.16 | timeless_mbp | this is the new one |
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| 07:57.30 | timeless_mbp | i'm running 10.6.2 |
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| 07:58.04 | johnx | "that one left" aka you copied an install over from a dying drive? |
| 07:58.28 | timeless_mbp | nope, we removed it from the mbp and dropped in a new one |
| 07:58.31 | timeless_mbp | installed from scratch |
| 07:58.39 | timeless_mbp | today's adventures should include copying over the data |
| 07:59.24 | johnx | what were the symptoms of your old hd dying? failed SMART status? FS corruption? |
| 07:59.46 | timeless_mbp | disk drive stopped being silent |
| 07:59.52 | timeless_mbp | and system would freeze for a whlie |
| 07:59.55 | johnx | niiiice |
| 07:59.57 | timeless_mbp | plus a panic |
| 08:00.01 | timeless_mbp | the panic was icing |
| 08:00.11 | timeless_mbp | (it blamed the sata controller or something) |
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| 08:00.48 | timeless_mbp | anyway⦠current problem: why won't Terminal.app let me have a shell? |
| 08:01.03 | timeless_mbp | enables sshd and tries to figure out the ip address for this computer |
| 08:01.21 | timeless_mbp | kicks presence |
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| 08:01.32 | timeless_mbp | why does it bother telling me "can't connect to one or more accounts" |
| 08:01.33 | rapha | Hi all! |
| 08:01.36 | timeless_mbp | ⦠there's no network! |
| 08:01.37 | johnx | well, what I was getting to in a round-a-bout sort of way is that I kinda suspect there might be more wrong with your macbook than just the dead hd |
| 08:01.39 | johnx | hey rapha |
| 08:02.24 | timeless_mbp | seems a bit early |
| 08:02.28 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, that could be fun |
| 08:03.10 | rapha | Could somebody take a look at http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/program_manager_not_working_anymore/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1#2c4be664217c11dfb2ce759a3d18e45de45d ? Is the situation really that grim? |
| 08:03.23 | johnx | had an imac g5 that would work for weeks after a clean install, then totally corrupt it's disk beyond repair |
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| 08:05.19 | timeless_mbp | i'm using zfs on both the old and new drives |
| 08:05.33 | timeless_mbp | which i'm suspecting is what saved me from problems in the old one |
| 08:05.42 | johnx | rapha, doesn't recognize the installations? so if you say "apt-cache policy busybox" what does it say? |
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| 08:10.10 | rapha | johnx: i'd have to ask the first poster myself as I don't have the issue. But I know he's not the kind of user that you would want to mess around on the command line like that; that's why I'm concerned... |
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| 08:11.17 | johnx | ah, sorry. I didn't pay attention to who posted what :) |
| 08:11.48 | johnx | Uhm, if dpkg actually lost it's list of installed packages ... that's kind of a hard place to recover from |
| 08:12.21 | timeless_mbp | roughly speaking, "you're hosed" |
| 08:12.31 | timeless_mbp | back up everything, and reinstall from scratch |
| 08:12.51 | johnx | on a server or something, it could be done by trying to bring a debian install up to a similar state then dumping the package selection into your hosed machine |
| 08:13.08 | johnx | then telling apt-get to match that selection |
| 08:13.12 | johnx | (all in theory of course) |
| 08:13.20 | timeless_mbp | well, if you're going to do that, you'd use 'find' to get a file list |
| 08:13.31 | timeless_mbp | and slowly guess packages on your clone until you get a 'good enough' match |
| 08:13.44 | johnx | psssh. let dpkg/apt-get do the work for you |
| 08:14.02 | timeless_mbp | how can they do that if you don't have a package list? |
| 08:14.06 | johnx | I mean, on a server you *know* what you have installed (at least at a high level) |
| 08:14.08 | rapha | omg |
| 08:14.14 | rapha | looks like i poked into a bee's nest |
| 08:14.23 | rapha | how can a "normal" user even mess up the system like that?! |
| 08:14.37 | johnx | I'd guess something got corrupted on flash |
| 08:14.58 | timeless_mbp | but wait |
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| 08:15.05 | timeless_mbp | is this the maemo-users list? |
| 08:15.06 | johnx | maybe running out of battery at a very bad moment? or some kind of a crash or battery pull during a package install |
| 08:15.20 | timeless_mbp | because that just looks like a corrupt repository |
| 08:15.36 | timeless_mbp | and those are normal :) |
| 08:16.11 | rapha | not on the symbian or windows mobile or apple or what-have-you phones i've seen so far |
| 08:16.24 | johnx | the only thing that trips me up is "...it does't recognize the application installations anymore" |
| 08:16.27 | johnx | other than that, I agree with you |
| 08:16.57 | Shapeshifter | does someone know what I need to set for libalarm to have an infinite number of recurrences? I can set event.recurrences_left to something > 0 and it will work fine, for that number of times, but if I set it to 0 it will raise and error "alarm_event_is_sane: recurrence_cnt > 0 and recur_count = 0" |
| 08:17.09 | rapha | hmmm who knows maybe he did do a stupid thing ... then ofc it'd be okay |
| 08:18.26 | johnx | rapha, nah. timeless_mbp is probably right. probably an intermittent problem with the repositories |
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| 08:18.49 | johnx | if it's still happening in Maemo 6 I'll be worried, but the repositories seem to be in a constant state of "growing pains" recently |
| 08:18.50 | timeless_mbp | sorry, i wasn't reading the link, just the chatter w/o context |
| 08:19.20 | timeless_mbp | the link talked about the fremantle ssu repository |
| 08:19.20 | lbt | morning tekojo, johnx :) |
| 08:19.44 | timeless_mbp | afaik, that repository has much less flux than most |
| 08:19.48 | timeless_mbp | but not necessarily none |
| 08:20.30 | timeless_mbp | goes back to wondering why Terminal.app/sshd refuse to provide working shells |
| 08:21.15 | johnx | timeless, does a 3rd party app like iterm work? |
| 08:21.27 | timeless_mbp | well, sshd doesn't |
| 08:21.31 | timeless_mbp | goes to hunt for iterm |
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| 08:23.37 | timeless_mbp | iTerm doesn't work |
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| 08:24.03 | johnx | cool. have you tried switching your preferences to run something else besides bash |
| 08:24.04 | johnx | ? |
| 08:24.13 | johnx | also, did you install something like fink or macports? |
| 08:24.15 | timeless_mbp | "how?" |
| 08:24.33 | timeless_mbp | um, my mac might have come w/ some limited portion of a broken macports |
| 08:25.01 | johnx | what? |
| 08:25.06 | johnx | I thought you did a fresh install? |
| 08:25.14 | timeless_mbp | this was a netboot based install from my employer |
| 08:25.42 | johnx | it's a hosed install. get a snow leopard dvd and reinstall |
| 08:25.52 | johnx | aka "reflash" ;D |
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| 08:26.09 | timeless_mbp | "deploystudio" was the thing that did it |
| 08:26.12 | timeless_mbp | but it was working fine |
| 08:26.18 | timeless_mbp | i was able to use terminal.app for a while |
| 08:26.39 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 08:26.43 | timeless_mbp | frontrow just triggered |
| 08:26.59 | johnx | :D any jokers with mac remotes near you? |
| 08:27.00 | timeless_mbp | tries to remember the magic incantation to make it not do that |
| 08:27.09 | timeless_mbp | i sure hope not |
| 08:27.12 | johnx | thought you would have learned that lesson from copenhagen :D |
| 08:27.17 | timeless_mbp | if they are, they're outside my window |
| 08:27.28 | johnx | well, IR is line of sight ... |
| 08:27.47 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: what are you seeing when you open terminal? |
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| 08:28.21 | timeless_mbp | an empty window w/ a hollow cursor at top left and "Terminal â login â 80x24" |
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| 08:28.46 | Shapeshifter | eww mac. |
| 08:29.10 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: go into preferences |
| 08:29.14 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: stfu |
| 08:29.33 | johnx | Shapeshifter, eh. it's just UNIX with a cut-down UI and a crappy package manager ;) (not as bad as RHEL at least) |
| 08:29.49 | timeless_mbp | fwiw Activity Monitor.app shows that Terminal has one child (login) |
| 08:29.51 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: go to the startup tab, make sure shells open with is selected to default login shell |
| 08:29.52 | Shapeshifter | yeah, it's not _that_ bad ;) |
| 08:29.53 | timeless_mbp | login is running as root |
| 08:29.56 | thresh | package manager? lol |
| 08:30.05 | crashanddie | johnx: what package manager? |
| 08:30.08 | Shapeshifter | it doesn't have one, right |
| 08:30.20 | crashanddie | johnx: I'm using port and am very happy with it |
| 08:30.45 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: the package manager doesn't make the OS |
| 08:30.54 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: you should follow the discussions about MeeGo to realise that |
| 08:30.59 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: this is Terminal.app preferences? |
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| 08:31.07 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: yeah |
| 08:31.16 | timeless_mbp | it says (*) DEfault login shell (/usr/bin/login) |
| 08:31.20 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: what do you mean? Does osx have a package manager? |
| 08:31.55 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: ok, try changing it to /bin/bash |
| 08:31.57 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: I mean, sure it's not about _which_ one, but if one or none |
| 08:32.11 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: you can get package managers for OSX if you really want one |
| 08:32.22 | Shapeshifter | yeah I know. do they work well? |
| 08:32.27 | crashanddie | sure |
| 08:32.34 | crashanddie | I use port and for all the gnu tools it works fine |
| 08:32.36 | Shapeshifter | okay that's nice. |
| 08:32.52 | Shapeshifter | my main problem with mac is the horrible WM |
| 08:32.55 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: no change |
| 08:32.59 | timeless_mbp | it still says login |
| 08:33.11 | thresh | gn00 tools never work fine, you must be mistaken. |
| 08:33.35 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: dunno, have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 08:33.46 | timeless_mbp | not yet |
| 08:33.50 | timeless_mbp | slightly worried :) |
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| 08:34.08 | crashanddie | dude, you just installed it... reinstalling can't be that bad |
| 08:34.17 | crashanddie | plus you still have the old drive |
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| 08:37.29 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: most of my work is network based anyway |
| 08:37.34 | timeless_mbp | irc, gmail, :) |
| 08:38.23 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 08:38.37 | timeless_mbp | there's a gui way to change things that 'defaults write' changes, right? |
| 08:38.40 | timeless_mbp | a plist editor? |
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| 08:42.04 | johnx | timeless_mbp, have you tried having it run /bin/bash instead of login? |
| 08:42.33 | timeless_mbp | http://www.macworld.com/article/51830/2006/07/showallfinder.html let me show all files |
| 08:43.39 | timeless_mbp | johnx: it's still running login |
| 08:44.16 | johnx | is out of ideas |
| 08:44.19 | johnx | also: time to get some sleep |
| 08:45.00 | johnx | 'night all |
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| 08:46.01 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: didn't I tell you to reboot? |
| 08:46.03 | crashanddie | http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=863201 |
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| 08:48.30 | timeless_mbp | ok |
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| 08:59.05 | timeless | ok, i asked my mac to reboot |
| 08:59.22 | timeless | how long should i see the spinner icon? |
| 08:59.34 | cos^ | which directory does microsd card mount into on n900? |
| 09:00.54 | DerSaidin | /media/mmc |
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| 09:04.06 | cos^ | thanks |
| 09:06.26 | timeless | tries to remember how to boot single user mode |
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| 09:16.51 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: you were right, rebooting helped |
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| 09:18.18 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: never doubt me again, bitch :P |
| 09:18.34 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
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| 09:20.06 | timeless_mbp | hey, how does osx manage the icon for folders like '/Developer'? :) |
| 09:20.20 | timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r--@ 1 root admin 0 Feb 25 00:57 /Developer/Icon? |
| 09:20.49 | timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r--@ 1 root admin 0 Jun 5 2009 /Developer/Icon? |
| 09:20.53 | timeless_mbp | the file isn't very big... |
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| 09:23.01 | openstandards | has anyone bothered to sync their n900 up to evolution yet? |
| 09:23.44 | Corsac | I did |
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| 09:23.55 | Corsac | it works kind-of fine with syncevolution on the laptop |
| 09:24.04 | tybollt | so you nokians... Granted we have the meego announcement recently... Will N900 ever be able to use Ovi stuff other than store? |
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| 09:24.22 | Corsac | you need syncevolution 1.0 beta or so, and a fitting config file |
| 09:24.27 | Corsac | maybe I should document that on the wiki |
| 09:24.33 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: you can already use ovi maps |
| 09:24.45 | timeless_mbp | it comes integrated w/ your n900 ;-) |
| 09:24.47 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: meh, I mean the other ovi services |
| 09:24.47 | openstandards | Corsac, kind of fine and is it worth the effort? :) |
| 09:24.48 | Corsac | tybollt: what are âovi stuff other than storeâ? |
| 09:24.59 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: files, music, ... |
| 09:25.05 | tybollt | throws an old Mac 2SE at timeless |
| 09:25.21 | tybollt | timeless_mbp++ |
| 09:25.24 | tybollt | that's the stuff |
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| 09:25.47 | Corsac | openstandards: it worked, but I have dups problems when doing it again later |
| 09:25.52 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: isn't that store too? |
| 09:25.57 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 09:26.06 | tybollt | Corsac: login to ovi.com and you will find out |
| 09:26.07 | timeless_mbp | each is built by its own team in their own castle |
| 09:26.10 | timeless_mbp | with their own moat |
| 09:26.15 | Shapeshifter | what people think of if someone says ovi in this country: http://www.importladen.de/images/products/ovomaltine_drink.jpg |
| 09:26.21 | timeless_mbp | to fix this, you'd first have to *find* their castle |
| 09:26.28 | timeless_mbp | and then you'd have to figure out how to cross their moat |
| 09:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | frowns on ovi |
| 09:26.37 | timeless_mbp | and then you'd have to gain entrance to the castle |
| 09:26.37 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: I care not. I want ovi calendar, MOAR CALENDAR! |
| 09:26.51 | tybollt | ovi calendar is about the ultimate service |
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| 09:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | a decent local calendar was the "ultimate service" :-P |
| 09:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | vcal, ical a nice-to-have |
| 09:29.20 | openstandards | kinda sad that the n900 hasn't got icalendar support out of the box |
| 09:29.42 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: must be the reason why I'm kinf of my castle |
| 09:30.06 | Corsac | king :) |
| 09:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | but pleeeease no "OVIcal" with hardcoded URL or somesuch crap |
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| 09:30.57 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: You want to update your calendar and backup your phonebook on the web, it is awesome |
| 09:31.16 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: of-bloody-course nokia would fuck us over and not let us have that :S |
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| 09:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | so what makes you think I'd wanted to use OVI for that? |
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| 09:32.02 | openstandards | tybollt, better to be able to pick your own calendar service imo |
| 09:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | 100% ack |
| 09:32.22 | tybollt | no |
| 09:32.33 | openstandards | personally i'd rather not have all my details on a cloud somewhere |
| 09:32.37 | tybollt | ovi calendar is one of a myriad of calendar services |
| 09:32.46 | tybollt | use whatever the poop you want |
| 09:32.54 | tybollt | but not having ovi at all is BULLSHIT |
| 09:33.03 | tybollt | every other nokia phone (well...) has that |
| 09:33.16 | openstandards | tybollt, its a new platform |
| 09:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 09:33.43 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: boo :P |
| 09:34.13 | openstandards | tybollt, my e65 has better grouping than the n900.... |
| 09:34.40 | tybollt | openstandards: point in case... |
| 09:34.44 | villemv | lot of juicy packages came through apt-get upgrade (browser, wifi firmware)... |
| 09:34.53 | villemv | new MfE stuff... |
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| 09:35.29 | tybollt | villemv: huh what upgrade? |
| 09:35.33 | tybollt | villemv: is 1.2 out? |
| 09:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | eeeek even more M$ shit |
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| 09:35.50 | villemv | perhaps it's halfway out? :-) |
| 09:35.55 | villemv | it was in repos anyway |
| 09:35.56 | openstandards | tybollt, i understand what you're saying and yes i'm somewhat disappointed however i know its going to get better :) |
| 09:36.00 | Corsac | connects its phone |
| 09:36.14 | villemv | I just ran apt-get upgrade |
| 09:36.26 | openstandards | lol the repos gonna get hit hard now |
| 09:36.33 | villemv | perhaps this was 1.1.1 that I never saw |
| 09:36.44 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 09:36.47 | Corsac | ha |
| 09:36.52 | timeless_mbp | that's probably 1.1.1 |
| 09:36.53 | Corsac | yeah, looks like that |
| 09:37.02 | timeless_mbp | major updates tend to replace virtually all packages |
| 09:37.12 | timeless_mbp | 1.2 will replace essentially all localization pacakges |
| 09:37.15 | timeless_mbp | s/akg/kag/ |
| 09:37.17 | Corsac | looking at the mails, they're trying to release 1.2 sdk one week before the os itself |
| 09:37.37 | timeless_mbp | the sdk is roughly qt4.6 :) |
| 09:37.52 | Corsac | so? |
| 09:38.16 | Corsac | we'll still be warned one week before |
| 09:38.20 | Corsac | well, hopefully |
| 09:38.28 | villemv | posix-locales is 12.6mb |
| 09:38.32 | villemv | not easy on rootfs |
| 09:38.40 | timeless_mbp | posix-locales isn't interesting |
| 09:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | was much more excited about the evolution sync |
| 09:38.53 | timeless_mbp | keep in mind that the rootfs does have some compression |
| 09:39.06 | openstandards | villemv, you're evil you got my hopes up :) |
| 09:39.07 | ptl | new PR? |
| 09:39.10 | petteri | it is interesting why there is no utf-8 locale :) |
| 09:39.12 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I should write a wiki page about that |
| 09:39.13 | ptl | I am updating to see if there's one |
| 09:39.19 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: but I'm not interested with web sync |
| 09:39.23 | villemv | yeah... but not enough for my rootfs right now, cleaning up something... |
| 09:39.29 | Corsac | unless it's caldav for calendars |
| 09:39.36 | villemv | openstandards: sorry about that. just reported what I saw :) |
| 09:39.41 | openstandards | is there a page i can find the roadmap to the updates? |
| 09:39.53 | villemv | openstandards: no such thing exists |
| 09:39.54 | tybollt | heh roadmap to updates? |
| 09:39.58 | tybollt | you gotta be kidding |
| 09:40.02 | timeless_mbp | openstandards: what do you mean? |
| 09:40.13 | timeless_mbp | we are very clear: we do *not* announce dates/schedules |
| 09:40.31 | ptl | cool... new update... "Maemo 5", I guess it's PR 1.2 since I had 1.1.1 installed |
| 09:40.32 | openstandards | what about feature wise? |
| 09:40.37 | timeless_mbp | in general marketing (and reality) prohibit us from announcing features |
| 09:40.44 | timeless_mbp | either marketing wants to announce a feature |
| 09:40.48 | openstandards | :( |
| 09:40.50 | timeless_mbp | or there's a chance the feature will miss a boat |
| 09:40.56 | timeless_mbp | making us look stupid |
| 09:41.05 | Corsac | ptl: look at the version number? |
| 09:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | ptl: big hoax?? |
| 09:41.15 | Corsac | (no updates available) |
| 09:41.23 | ptl | lol |
| 09:41.26 | ptl | just kidding |
| 09:41.28 | ptl | don't kick me :P |
| 09:41.30 | timeless_mbp | ptl: generally if there's a new update available, konttori would be around to comment on it.... |
| 09:41.40 | timeless_mbp | since he owns updates at this point |
| 09:41.47 | tybollt | hmm that _is_ funny |
| 09:41.55 | tybollt | _bunch_ of things to update via apt |
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| 09:42.16 | tybollt | nothing via HAM |
| 09:42.55 | tybollt | yet again we deduct, HAM is apt-get w/ extra heuristic toi fuck the user based on his location ;) |
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| 09:43.26 | ptl | HAM is Application Manager? |
| 09:43.30 | tybollt | yes |
| 09:43.36 | tybollt | Hildon Application Manager |
| 09:43.38 | Corsac | HAM will only upgrade packages in user/ plus dependencies, won't it? |
| 09:43.39 | ptl | Oh |
| 09:44.30 | villemv | I wouldn't have minded seeing 1.1.1 on HAM as well |
| 09:44.46 | thresh | nothing here :( |
| 09:44.56 | thresh | in apt-get, of course |
| 09:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if Friday afternoon is early this week |
| 09:45.38 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: >:D |
| 09:45.45 | tybollt | thresh: no? |
| 09:45.52 | tybollt | thresh: I've a bunch of stuff |
| 09:46.00 | openstandards | why exactly did nokia decide on gecko over webkit as they have done work with webkit in the past... |
| 09:46.06 | thresh | well, no maemo-generic-whatever-whatever |
| 09:46.25 | timeless_mbp | openstandards: your chronology is wrong |
| 09:46.36 | timeless_mbp | we picked gecko before webkit existed |
| 09:46.38 | tybollt | openstandards: why? you dissapointed by microb? I have to say I never used a better mobile browser and I've seen most shitz |
| 09:46.40 | timeless_mbp | (roughly) |
| 09:46.57 | timeless_mbp | another team at nokia happened to be porting webkit to s60 while we were porting gecko to maemo |
| 09:47.07 | timeless_mbp | and it's not like the s60 port was remotely useful |
| 09:47.22 | timeless_mbp | nokia had to later port to s60 *again* |
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| 09:47.54 | openstandards | tybollt, no i'm not its just very unusual as webkit is the chosen browser for most mobiles these days |
| 09:48.15 | tybollt | well |
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| 09:48.43 | timeless_mbp | openstandards: again, your timeline is totally broken |
| 09:48.58 | timeless_mbp | maemo picked gecko long before webkit became the 'generally accepted choice' |
| 09:49.09 | timeless_mbp | heck, we shipped our products before the iPod Touch/iPhone shipped |
| 09:49.21 | Corsac | so what, you should have dropped all that work and follow the trend! |
| 09:49.28 | timeless_mbp | oh, right! |
| 09:49.34 | openstandards | i know timeless_mbp its only a recent thing that webkit has generated interest :) |
| 09:49.41 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 09:49.43 | timeless_mbp | interest? |
| 09:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and next week we will get win7 for N900 :-S |
| 09:49.52 | timeless_mbp | doesn't actually see any *interest* in webkit |
| 09:50.11 | timeless_mbp | it might be used, but it's hardly interesting |
| 09:50.15 | openstandards | webkit is a f |
| 09:50.21 | thresh | gecko's slow. |
| 09:50.36 | thresh | thou shall port chromium to n900. |
| 09:50.43 | villemv | webkit got fast only very recently |
| 09:50.57 | villemv | (or the javascript engine at least) |
| 09:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | and I hear devels making up new swearwords for webkit |
| 09:51.16 | tybollt | head to head, microb vs midori on the n900 - which is better - do tell |
| 09:51.49 | Corsac | tybollt: you're comparing browsers, not engines |
| 09:51.55 | villemv | best thing about webkit is that's it's ready-to-go easily for Qt apps |
| 09:52.07 | Corsac | webkit lacks some features, midori lacks others |
| 09:52.10 | tybollt | Corsac: I'm comparing products made out of each engine |
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| 09:52.26 | Corsac | in the end, midori is my browser of choice on the desktop, but it still lacks important features |
| 09:52.37 | Corsac | (but kalikiana has only 24h a days) |
| 09:52.40 | Corsac | -s |
| 09:52.57 | tybollt | in the end midori is _promising_ at best but it has a decade to go before being usefull on the n900 =) |
| 09:52.58 | villemv | epiphany is as a surprisingly fast dekstop browser |
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| 09:53.13 | villemv | maybe even chrome-grade |
| 09:53.22 | tybollt | fast will NOT cut it for me, I need _compatible_ |
| 09:53.23 | villemv | (now that it's using webkit) |
| 09:53.32 | Corsac | villemv: ânowâ? |
| 09:53.42 | Corsac | ha yes, you're speaking of ephy |
| 09:53.44 | Corsac | I missed that :) |
| 09:53.45 | villemv | Corsac: it used to be slow when it was still on gecko |
| 09:53.57 | Corsac | yeah I really like ephy, even though I don't really use it anymore |
| 09:54.12 | openstandards | tybollt, webkit is more compatible than you think the css3 support is no doubt the best around |
| 09:54.12 | Corsac | (when it first switched, it lacked so many features and was so crashy I preferred to switch to midori) |
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| 09:55.38 | openstandards | plus the html5 qualities do shine look at how the browser on the iphone works |
| 09:56.03 | timeless_mbp | villemv: fwiw, we have Qt bindings for Gecko floating around |
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| 09:57.45 | openstandards | is it just me that loves the sound of charging the n900 |
| 09:57.51 | villemv | timeless_mbp: oh, didn't know about that. are they similar to QtWebkit stuff? |
| 09:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: maybe I asked that before (sorry then): is there a keycode for microb to make it jump to start of page (e.g. ctrl-pageup) ? |
| 09:59.09 | villemv | is missing a keycode to enlarge font... |
| 09:59.38 | Corsac | enlarge your fonts! |
| 09:59.51 | tybollt | enlarge you penis! |
| 09:59.57 | tybollt | oh wait...! |
| 10:00.02 | timeless_mbp | villemv: they're designed to be, yes |
| 10:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | font-enlargement, amazing 5pt in 4 weeks |
| 10:00.16 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: sadly i don't think we have one |
| 10:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: do you have any todo list you could append that, or does it need an enhancement ticket for this? |
| 10:01.17 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: start a brainstorm |
| 10:01.40 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
| 10:01.47 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: so... |
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| 10:02.03 | timeless_mbp | there really aren't many free keystrokes |
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| 10:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: I'd happily remap my kbd for that ;-) |
| 10:02.41 | timeless_mbp | i think you can use something like javascript:void window.scrollTo(0,0) |
| 10:02.50 | timeless_mbp | (wfm in firefox 3.6) |
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| 10:03.06 | timeless_mbp | if you're lucky, you can convince microb to leave that in your typed url history |
| 10:03.26 | timeless_mbp | (you might even be able to save it as a bookmark) |
| 10:03.47 | openstandards | timeless_mbp, since microb is based on firefox will we ever see mozilla weave support? |
| 10:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | makes note about a systemwide (k)hotkeys app |
| 10:04.11 | timeless_mbp | openstandards: will you do yourself a favor and stop spouting nonsense? |
| 10:04.19 | timeless_mbp | microb is based on gecko, not firefox |
| 10:04.39 | timeless_mbp | microb has support for addons |
| 10:04.47 | timeless_mbp | and microb uses places for history |
| 10:04.48 | Shapeshifter | can someone give me a dbus call that does nothing really but can be used for testing purposes? (I'm writing something for libalarm and just want to test if dbus calls work) |
| 10:04.57 | Shapeshifter | like maybe show a banner or so? |
| 10:05.10 | timeless_mbp | however microb does *not* use places for bookmarks (historical deficiency) |
| 10:05.32 | timeless_mbp | in theory, one should be able to port weave to microb today, and get history syncing |
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| 10:05.38 | timeless_mbp | you're welcome to try |
| 10:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: introspect? |
| 10:05.56 | timeless_mbp | i think it should also allow you to sync passwords |
| 10:05.57 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: introspect? |
| 10:06.15 | openstandards | ok sorry for asking silly questions i'm still getting use to mine and i'm just interested in developments its just such an exciting platform and am enjoying owning a maemo device |
| 10:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: each service is supposed to offer introspect method |
| 10:06.34 | timeless_mbp | openstandards: basically your questions are almost ok |
| 10:06.45 | timeless_mbp | but you're putting too many things you 'think you know' into them, which makes them less ok |
| 10:06.52 | Shapeshifter | ah, but that doesn't really have a visual effect does it? I mean, for example to test the exec functionality I just did echo "foo" >> /tmp/foo |
| 10:06.57 | Shapeshifter | something like that |
| 10:07.00 | timeless_mbp | you should have just asked "could weave be added to/for microb" |
| 10:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: you asked for a null function |
| 10:07.54 | timeless_mbp | i have no idea if weave supports syncing certificates, however microb uses a system library to store certificates, so depending on how weave implements certificate syncing (if it does at all), it's quite likely that it woudln't be able to sync them |
| 10:08.07 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: sorry, I wasn't clear. I just need some feedback if it worked. |
| 10:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | do you need a return code after caller's dbus send? or a visual feedback for the user? |
| 10:08.24 | Shapeshifter | like a banner. anyhow, I'm googling how to show a banner using dbus now |
| 10:08.40 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: no just for me, to test if libalarm made the dbus call ;) |
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| 10:08.49 | Shapeshifter | alarmd rather, not libalarm |
| 10:09.20 | mtd | Shapeshifter: dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:'Hello, world!' uint32:0 string:'NAO OK!' |
| 10:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | showing banner should be among the dbus examples to be found on jebba's wiki |
| 10:09.42 | Shapeshifter | mtd: thanks a lot ;) |
| 10:09.57 | mtd | Shapeshifter: np - as DocScrutinizer, that's from jebba's stuff |
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| 10:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: kicking the vib, or flashing the notifyLED should be there as well |
| 10:11.49 | pupnik | maemo has tens of thousands of members and apps can't get ten votes in testing |
| 10:12.01 | pupnik | ............... |
| 10:13.13 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: actually testing apps should have a button to fire up the browser on the vote page |
| 10:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | s/button/menu entry |
| 10:14.02 | villemv | perhaps someone should make an app for testing apps :-) |
| 10:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | heh :-) |
| 10:14.14 | villemv | "these apps need testing. Want to install and try it out?" |
| 10:14.54 | villemv | If we had that, we could ramp up the vote requirement even |
| 10:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | a briliant idea... |
| 10:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | though I'd just include a dependency to apptester app to the tested app pkg, and replace the executable by a wrapper that calls the tester which in turn loads the app to test |
| 10:18.54 | villemv | yeah, that's one way to do it... but I think it would still be nice to see a list of apps that need testing in one place, along with description |
| 10:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 10:19.29 | villemv | that could be a web page |
| 10:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | thought that's simply all apps in testing repo |
| 10:20.07 | villemv | yeah, so an app that lists the packages in testing repo |
| 10:20.21 | villemv | and "invoke install" |
| 10:20.34 | Stskeeps | hmm, a gold edition n97 |
| 10:20.39 | Stskeeps | wonders about gold edition n900 |
| 10:20.43 | villemv | + wrapping to submit vote |
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| 10:23.36 | w00t | Stskeeps: gold as in gold plated? |
| 10:23.39 | w00t | chavs would love it. |
| 10:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I prefer black |
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| 10:23.49 | w00t | (morning all) |
| 10:23.56 | Stskeeps | morn w00teh |
| 10:24.08 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i want my n900 cover to be made of dark matter |
| 10:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, nicely invisible |
| 10:24.50 | w00t | so.. many.. email |
| 10:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | protective effect for barionic interference unclear though |
| 10:27.45 | tybollt | have you tried turning on the flux capacitor? |
| 10:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: first prototypes have an issue: N900 always slips out of the protective hull |
| 10:28.32 | Stskeeps | are we speaking of the pandora or n900? |
| 10:28.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:28.57 | w00t | lols |
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| 10:36.53 | pupnik | for some reason i now get the visible x pointer on boot now |
| 10:36.59 | pupnik | -now |
| 10:37.16 | pupnik | do not have to open browser and start a flash site |
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| 10:54.59 | lovelyboy | after apt-get install ..., i cant see anything on the menu, where can i get the app? |
| 10:54.59 | Stskeeps | use hildon app manager |
| 10:54.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:55.06 | pupnik | the app is there or it isnt |
| 10:55.31 | lovelyboy | check the uninstall? |
| 10:57.24 | lovelyboy | but how could i run the app? |
| 10:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | cmdline? |
| 10:58.07 | villemv | dpkg -L packagename |
| 10:58.12 | villemv | to find out what it installed |
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| 10:58.13 | villemv | then run it |
| 10:58.19 | lovelyboy | since i cant figure out the location where the app is installed by apt-get installl |
| 10:58.29 | villemv | read above lovelyboy |
| 10:58.35 | madduck | can i just install debian armel packages on my n900? |
| 10:58.47 | madduck | or are maemo packages special? |
| 10:58.50 | villemv | you can force anything ;-) |
| 10:58.57 | villemv | but doesn't mean it's a good idea |
| 10:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | the question is: can you run the executable |
| 10:59.18 | madduck | tries with git-core |
| 10:59.38 | lovelyboy | villemv, sorry, i typed too slow :) |
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| 10:59.50 | villemv | madduck: doesn't seem like a good idea |
| 11:00.05 | villemv | madduck: rather try compiling it for maemo |
| 11:00.36 | villemv | madduck: btw, someone may have done the compiling for you already... |
| 11:02.08 | madduck | so armel != armel? |
| 11:02.19 | villemv | madduck: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43188 |
| 11:02.42 | Stskeeps | madduck: maemo has busybox, guess how many postinst scripts break with that |
| 11:02.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 11:03.19 | Corsac | madduck: it works with some packages, but yeah a rebuild is often needed because libs might not be the same, or can not be available |
| 11:03.28 | Corsac | madduck: and remember it's an etch base system :/ |
| 11:03.44 | Corsac | madduck: though I think someone already built git, iirc |
| 11:04.05 | madduck | curious |
| 11:04.06 | Corsac | madduck: but for example, I installed pyhon-scapy directly without a glitch, and had to rebuild iproute |
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| 11:06.19 | petteri | hmm... i downloaded iproute package from debian sid and the binaries just worked fine |
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| 11:07.11 | Corsac | petteri: not the libatm-linked ones :) |
| 11:07.20 | Corsac | petteri: which is why the package won't install for example |
| 11:07.27 | petteri | ok, i just used ip :) |
| 11:07.31 | Corsac | so the only thing I did was to rebuild without it |
| 11:08.21 | petteri | madduck: n900 has tiny root partition, so packages need to be installed to /opt and thus need repackaging |
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| 11:13.00 | madduck | ta |
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| 11:19.50 | GeneralAntilles | tries to catch up. |
| 11:21.32 | Arif_ | yawns |
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| 11:25.31 | Corsac | ⦠|
| 11:26.29 | openstandards | what do you lot use to play music on your n900? |
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| 11:26.45 | Khertan | Hello ! |
| 11:27.58 | pupnik | mediabox, mplayer |
| 11:27.59 | vesa | openstandards: the media player? |
| 11:28.08 | pupnik | no that stinks |
| 11:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:28.34 | vesa | it handles large amounts of files much better than mediabox |
| 11:28.47 | pupnik | mediabox lets me play a directory |
| 11:29.19 | vesa | i couldn't get it to finish loading, much less play anything. |
| 11:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | mediaplayer doesn't allow editing the current playlist :-( |
| 11:29.39 | pupnik | you cant get media player to play a directory |
| 11:29.56 | vesa | yeah the mediaplayer playlists suck balls |
| 11:30.02 | vesa | but other than that it does its job ok |
| 11:31.17 | Arif_ | mediabox barely works :P |
| 11:31.50 | Arif_ | built in player is above average for me |
| 11:32.01 | Arif_ | it just crashes whenever I start typing to search :D |
| 11:32.49 | openstandards | the first impression of mediabox's gui is nice |
| 11:33.01 | Khertan | Ubuntu One currently runs on Amazon EC2 and uses S3 to store files. This will make it easy to scale the capacity up incrementally as new users are added to the beta. Murphy told me that Canonical might eventually host the infrastructure itself on a Eucalyptus cluster. The server software is primarily written in Python, he says, and it uses some components of Twisted, Django, and Zope. |
| 11:33.18 | Khertan | Huhu ... this mean that a port could be possible for maemo |
| 11:33.26 | Arif_ | I also use KMPlayer to stream videos =} |
| 11:33.32 | vesa | canolas ui is nice, media box is pretty bad imo. media player is decent. ui wise that is. |
| 11:33.50 | vesa | canola still doesn't play music from anywhere else than the default directory though which is kind of meh |
| 11:33.54 | Khertan | vesa: it s just a matter of preferences |
| 11:34.06 | vesa | Khertan: ofcourse. just voicing mine =) |
| 11:34.08 | Khertan | i don't like the canola ui |
| 11:34.12 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:34.13 | Arif_ | Khertan, you want to run a server on your phone? |
| 11:34.16 | Arif_ | :D |
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| 11:34.19 | Khertan | Arif_: lol |
| 11:34.27 | Khertan | no ... just only the client |
| 11:34.47 | Khertan | client file sync source is open sourced apparently |
| 11:35.02 | Arif_ | =} |
| 11:35.03 | Khertan | could be a great things ... as dropbox still havent port nothing to maemo |
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| 11:35.12 | tybollt | dropbears? |
| 11:35.48 | Khertan | dropbears ? |
| 11:35.56 | Arif_ | o_o |
| 11:36.07 | openstandards | dropping bears is cruel |
| 11:36.09 | openstandards | :) |
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| 11:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | dropping quotes without any context is as cruel |
| 11:36.41 | Khertan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEQpUY_crc |
| 11:36.43 | Arif_ | wonders if Maemo 5 will ever get a "share" option in media player :) |
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| 11:37.47 | dev | Arif_: have you seen our work on Mirabeau? |
| 11:38.20 | Arif_ | No? |
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| 11:38.21 | Khertan | oh god ... ubuntu one sync daemon is made only of python ! |
| 11:38.26 | Khertan | YOUHOU ! |
| 11:38.28 | Khertan | i ll port it |
| 11:38.30 | Arif_ | sounds too French imo :( |
| 11:38.49 | dev | Arif_: http://base-art.net/Articles/115/ |
| 11:39.09 | Arif_ | reads |
| 11:39.14 | dev | ha, it is a name of a nice bridge |
| 11:39.24 | Arif_ | ooo, upnp |
| 11:39.34 | Arif_ | well, you really should change that |
| 11:39.38 | Arif_ | you'll scare people away :P |
| 11:39.41 | dev | ? |
| 11:39.51 | dev | because of the name? |
| 11:40.02 | Arif_ | just kidding =) |
| 11:41.13 | pupnik | beautiful font and good control balance on that vectormine game khertan |
| 11:41.13 | Khertan | too french ? |
| 11:41.23 | Khertan | thx pupnik |
| 11:42.27 | Khertan | grrr /me hate bazzar |
| 11:42.48 | dev | the thing about Mirabeau is that it automatically shares your media _on the device_ to other UPnP devices in the network (PS3, TVs,...) and can establish a bridge to other home-networks so you can use it as a relay to play e.g. music from your home-nas on the device at your friends lan |
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| 11:43.46 | thresh | now i'm totally lost |
| 11:44.02 | thresh | cant login on my n900 via ssh as user, using public key |
| 11:44.10 | thresh | the same key copied to root, works |
| 11:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | check permissions |
| 11:45.06 | thresh | which ones exactly? |
| 11:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | .ssh and rsa_key should be 600 |
| 11:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | err, allowed_keys |
| 11:45.54 | thresh | i moved the keys to /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u |
| 11:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 11:46.35 | thresh | ? |
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| 11:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | never even heard about that |
| 11:46.58 | thresh | it doesnt really matter actually |
| 11:47.02 | thresh | where they lie at |
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| 11:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 11:47.19 | thresh | /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/user is totally accessible by user |
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| 11:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think I seen this in ssh manpage |
| 11:48.46 | thresh | man sshd_config, if you want |
| 11:49.11 | thresh | AuthorizedKeysSystemFile, if you want |
| 11:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | actually I don't |
| 11:50.09 | thresh | or AuthorizedKeysFile, it varies from version to version |
| 11:50.11 | thresh | still, doesnt work. |
| 11:50.30 | thresh | Yes, in order for the key to be accepted, the user account needs a password set |
| 11:50.32 | thresh | bloody hell |
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| 11:53.11 | DocScrutinizer | thresh: could you give me a hint what's the advantages of keeping the keys in /etc ? |
| 11:53.20 | thresh | on n900, there are none |
| 11:53.32 | thresh | on public machine, it makes sure user cant change their keys |
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| 11:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok :-S |
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| 11:59.42 | crashanddie | thresh: that's a stupid argument |
| 12:00.08 | thresh | which one? |
| 12:00.20 | crashanddie | thresh: moving authorized keys to /etc |
| 12:00.25 | crashanddie | on a multi-user machine, that is |
| 12:00.33 | thresh | hm |
| 12:00.45 | thresh | it depends on how you suppose this machine should work. |
| 12:01.04 | crashanddie | there is _no_ supposition involved, whatsoever |
| 12:01.35 | crashanddie | there is just no benefit |
| 12:01.54 | thresh | yes there is. you can manage user keys using package manager, for instance. |
| 12:01.56 | crashanddie | you move them from one place to another place, which is non-standard, when all that matters are access rights |
| 12:02.08 | thresh | which one is non-standard exacrly? |
| 12:02.10 | thresh | exactly |
| 12:02.14 | strcpy | has anybody verified packet-injection capability for N900 wifi ? |
| 12:02.17 | crashanddie | having them in /etc |
| 12:02.24 | crashanddie | strcpy: not possible |
| 12:02.59 | crashanddie | thresh: you can manage the files through a package manager in /home as well |
| 12:03.21 | thresh | crashanddie: if you do trust your users, yes. |
| 12:03.24 | strcpy | crashanddie: Are you sure about it? I've heard from some sources about some results... (HDM for instance, if you know) |
| 12:03.25 | crashanddie | wtf |
| 12:03.38 | thresh | however it's kind of stupid to manage something in */home* using a PM |
| 12:03.52 | crashanddie | strcpy: I don't, but you ask, I answer, what's the point of asking if you won't trust my answer? |
| 12:04.10 | crashanddie | thresh: you're an imbecile who believes in security through obscurity |
| 12:04.16 | thresh | fuck you |
| 12:04.29 | nid0 | handbags down, ladies |
| 12:04.33 | crashanddie | oy, no need for the f word |
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| 12:04.53 | crashanddie | or take a trip out of the channel |
| 12:05.12 | tybollt | hmm |
| 12:05.33 | tybollt | can you have multiple MFE's in an n900 or will it only allow for the on instance? |
| 12:05.59 | crashanddie | tybollt: only one afaik |
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| 12:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | thresh: anyway I just tested with authorized_keys in ~/.ssh and *without* password |
| 12:08.01 | tybollt | aww |
| 12:08.04 | tybollt | SADFACE |
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| 12:08.20 | thresh | DocScrutinizer: I did try that of course |
| 12:08.26 | thresh | DocScrutinizer: does it work for you? |
| 12:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:08.37 | thresh | weird |
| 12:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | if "no password" means "*" in /etc/passwd |
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| 12:09.04 | thresh | ! is probably disabled |
| 12:09.14 | thresh | been a long time since i read passwd man page |
| 12:09.43 | thresh | yeah, that worked |
| 12:11.31 | nid0 | boom |
| 12:11.31 | crashanddie | can't read manpages and can't formulate an opinion or argument those of his colleagues/mentors |
| 12:11.32 | crashanddie | welcome to linux |
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| 12:15.27 | wazd | tybollt: next time you wanna bet - ask me :D |
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| 12:16.38 | tybollt | wazd: :'( .se got kicked out as well |
| 12:16.41 | tybollt | sigh |
| 12:17.02 | tybollt | wazd: atleast .ru lost again .ca... we lost against... slovakia?!?!?!? |
| 12:17.37 | SpeedEvil | The UK is doing so well at this olympics! |
| 12:17.43 | SpeedEvil | We're only getting gold medals. |
| 12:17.47 | SpeedEvil | No silver or bronze. |
| 12:18.02 | wazd | tybollt: heh :) |
| 12:18.10 | tybollt | you have ... the one gold, eh speedy? |
| 12:18.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:18.32 | SpeedEvil | We don't really invest in winter olympic sports - hence... |
| 12:18.39 | thresh | yeah russia sucked in a game |
| 12:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: EHLO! |
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| 12:20.05 | wazd | thresh: saw it live, seriously, it was beating, not a game :) |
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| 12:22.55 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: then again, we don't have winters |
| 12:23.20 | SpeedEvil | Had a semblance of one this winter. |
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| 12:23.53 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: at best, we get two weeks of mushy snow that halts the trains and empties our salt reserves, but it's not like we have any decent places we can go skiing, boarding, luging, jumping... etc |
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| 12:24.20 | Veggen | SpeedEvil: snow-covered ground for how long? |
| 12:24.30 | Veggen | 66 days and counting here.... |
| 12:24.39 | SpeedEvil | Veggen: here ~30 I suppose |
| 12:25.10 | thresh | you cant beat moscow snow this year |
| 12:25.12 | SpeedEvil | I think it's snow covered at the moment, but I'd have to get out of bed to find out. |
| 12:25.18 | Veggen | should get around to do the ski-to-work plan, one day. |
| 12:25.22 | thresh | almost a meter here |
| 12:25.32 | SpeedEvil | snowmobile! |
| 12:25.33 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:25.43 | Veggen | thresh: ah, not far from a meter here either, I think. |
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| 12:26.29 | Veggen | and we don't really get winter normally, either. |
| 12:26.38 | Veggen | a week now and then, but rarely longer. |
| 12:27.22 | Arif_ | moo |
| 12:27.35 | Arif_ | anyone know how to get 3GP streams to work in KMPlayer? |
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| 12:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | does a dance of joy at 13C, sunshine, and finally all snow gone outside. Heads out for a walk |
| 12:30.05 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: 29C and counting |
| 12:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 12:30.28 | Arif_ | 13? |
| 12:30.29 | Arif_ | cold |
| 12:30.32 | Arif_ | ={ |
| 12:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | sunny half of the ball? |
| 12:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | Arif_, I agree. |
| 12:31.21 | Arif_ | I iprefer 25-30 C :D |
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| 12:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | It's not that I prefer low temp like +13C. Just I don't have the choice |
| 12:32.20 | Arif_ | sure you do |
| 12:32.21 | Arif_ | move!@ |
| 12:33.01 | SpeedEvil | would love 13C. (inside). /me is having cashflow issues. |
| 12:33.09 | Arif_ | aww |
| 12:33.12 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 12:33.18 | Arif_ | KMPlayer doesn't play 3GP streams apparently |
| 12:33.28 | Arif_ | complains some more in his head :P |
| 12:33.32 | thresh | 3gp doesnt refer to "stream" at all |
| 12:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: start the compiler! |
| 12:33.33 | frals | builtin player does, doesnt it? |
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| 12:33.35 | thresh | what's the protocol? |
| 12:33.38 | Arif_ | no |
| 12:33.46 | frals | or wait streams nvm |
| 12:33.56 | frals | only tried it with 3gp files |
| 12:34.04 | Arif_ | rtsp |
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| 12:34.16 | thresh | mplayer can do rtsp, if built with live555 |
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| 12:34.47 | Arif_ | o.o |
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| 12:34.56 | Arif_ | I just got the version from the repositories ;P |
| 12:35.10 | thresh | well check the way it was built then |
| 12:35.16 | thresh | and then file a bug, if it was not |
| 12:35.54 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: and EOS 40d for 350 pounds... should I go for it? |
| 12:36.03 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, do it. |
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| 12:36.11 | crashanddie | I could probably get another one cheaper |
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| 12:36.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7957 instead! |
| 12:37.12 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: no lens, so I'd have to shell out roughly $1000 for a good lens |
| 12:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yeah, but lenses have longevity. |
| 12:37.39 | crashanddie | There's a 30d I could pick up for even less... |
| 12:38.22 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I'd go with the 40D, personally. |
| 12:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | I've handled both in passing and found the bigger screen a really nice addition. |
| 12:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | Plus the automatic sensor cleaning is nice. |
| 12:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | btw, I noticed a significant improvement in maincam macro focus and exposure. Seems this got some fix, no? |
| 12:39.40 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: placed a bid |
| 12:39.58 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: actually, it comes with a lens apparently |
| 12:40.20 | SpeedEvil | ebay? |
| 12:40.27 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, EF-S 18-55mm? :D |
| 12:40.35 | crashanddie | i wish |
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| 12:40.38 | crashanddie | 17-55 |
| 12:40.41 | crashanddie | lol |
| 12:40.53 | crashanddie | guy giving away a 17-55mm USM IS for free :D |
| 12:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | Nice |
| 12:41.14 | crashanddie | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170449883163#ht_500wt_1182 |
| 12:41.20 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: nha, that's what I'd wish for |
| 12:41.29 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 12:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 12:41.47 | X-Fade | crashanddie: 1m to go ;) |
| 12:41.50 | crashanddie | aye |
| 12:42.01 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like a 1.8 50mm? |
| 12:42.04 | X-Fade | crashanddie: But seems a good deal. |
| 12:42.09 | crashanddie | I shouldn't really |
| 12:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's gonna snipe it out from under you |
| 12:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Do it! |
| 12:42.13 | crashanddie | I have plenty of fun with my pana |
| 12:42.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but SLR gives you more options. |
| 12:42.22 | crashanddie | and pay postage from oz? |
| 12:42.24 | aquatix | 40D <3 |
| 12:42.27 | crashanddie | especially with a 40d |
| 12:42.34 | GeneralAntilles | 30 seconds! |
| 12:42.39 | X-Fade | No international shipping ;) |
| 12:42.56 | crashanddie | I went from N900 photography to LX3 prosumer p&s to 40d |
| 12:43.04 | GeneralAntilles | SLR is so much fun |
| 12:43.11 | crashanddie | w00t |
| 12:43.13 | crashanddie | won it |
| 12:43.16 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet |
| 12:43.22 | aquatix | crashanddie: ooh :) |
| 12:43.24 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Not bad. |
| 12:43.41 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Order some batteries, as this one is most likely dead. |
| 12:43.52 | crashanddie | X-Fade: will order in time |
| 12:44.01 | crashanddie | I just got my filters for my lx3 today |
| 12:44.05 | crashanddie | :( |
| 12:44.07 | crashanddie | I'm an idiot |
| 12:44.08 | X-Fade | At least that is what happens with my Canon cams. |
| 12:44.08 | crashanddie | :D |
| 12:44.11 | aquatix | 3rd party batteries are fine |
| 12:44.13 | aquatix | has various |
| 12:44.46 | wazd | wow, titanium iPhone is real in the end |
| 12:46.14 | wazd | this guy has lot's of skills then |
| 12:46.35 | Stskeeps | who? |
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| 12:46.56 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/24/the-titanium-iphone-is-real-really-real-video/ |
| 12:47.20 | wazd | Stskeeps: nokia should hire him for hardware design like now :) |
| 12:47.27 | lovelyboy | apt-get does not work in scratchbox, seems cant connect to the host |
| 12:47.58 | crashanddie | lovelyboy: yes it works |
| 12:48.20 | gouverneur | lovelyboy: what says resolve.conf? are you root or using fakeroot command? |
| 12:48.20 | Stskeeps | lovelyboy: there is a faq on this |
| 12:48.50 | lovelyboy | i shall check that problem |
| 12:49.00 | wazd | Stskeeps: btw, before the proving video my thoughts was "wow, what a render! Someone should hire him as lead 3d modeller or something" :D |
| 12:49.06 | gouverneur | wazd: and what make the n910 worth $900? |
| 12:49.57 | wazd | gouverneur: I think n910 is a piece of crap |
| 12:50.07 | wazd | gouverneur: just look at it's designs |
| 12:50.13 | thresh | whut? n910? |
| 12:50.19 | wazd | thresh: ;) |
| 12:50.26 | thresh | ok |
| 12:50.57 | wazd | gouverneur: thank god they fixed "space" button at last |
| 12:51.00 | matthew- | wazd: the nec n910? |
| 12:51.20 | gouverneur | wazd: I think you are another stockholm syndrom hit |
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| 12:51.45 | wazd | gouverneur: yep, I am :) |
| 12:51.50 | wazd | matthew-: :D |
| 12:52.31 | gouverneur | wazd: so you own at least two apple products and you love them!? |
| 12:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | wishes vBulletin would italicize quotes properly. |
| 12:52.42 | furunk3l | yes hello! |
| 12:52.51 | matthew- | gouverneur: I do! |
| 12:52.56 | matthew- | more than 2 and I love them! |
| 12:53.08 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: css? |
| 12:53.09 | matthew- | 1) OS X |
| 12:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, gonna file a bug right now. |
| 12:53.21 | matthew- | 2) MacBook Pro |
| 12:53.27 | matthew- | 3) Mac Pro |
| 12:53.34 | matthew- | 4) iPod shuffle ! |
| 12:53.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Add a patch or it doesn't count ;) |
| 12:53.38 | matthew- | :) |
| 12:53.44 | wazd | gouverneur: I use only apple products in my life |
| 12:53.55 | wazd | gouverneur: cause Steve Jobs is awesome! |
| 12:53.56 | gouverneur | matthew-: are you an professional artist/designer/musician/historician? |
| 12:54.13 | matthew- | gouverneur: nope |
| 12:54.21 | gouverneur | math? |
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| 12:54.29 | matthew- | nope, finance |
| 12:54.39 | wazd | gouverneur: how apple is connected with professional artists I wonder? :) |
| 12:54.57 | gouverneur | matthew-: you should consider to see a doctor some day soon.... |
| 12:55.06 | wazd | gouverneur: Adobe has it's software for windows for like 15 years already :) |
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| 12:55.37 | gouverneur | wazd: performance of all adobe products sucks within windows env |
| 12:55.44 | wazd | gouverneur: sure |
| 12:55.49 | matthew- | gouverneur: Why? Try Matlab performance. MAC > Windows |
| 12:55.55 | wazd | gouverneur: that's why CS4 PS is 20% faster :P |
| 12:56.25 | matthew- | gouverneur: or try to produce some 3d models of simple functions |
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| 12:56.36 | matthew- | but with a lot of data (like 5y+ back) |
| 12:56.43 | matthew- | and you'll see why finance should use mac'a |
| 12:56.44 | matthew- | mac's |
| 12:57.14 | wazd | matthew-: try to use CUDA |
| 12:57.24 | wazd | matthew-: and you'll be surprised :) |
| 12:57.32 | sar3th | try to play a game |
| 12:57.36 | sar3th | you will be surprised |
| 12:57.38 | gouverneur | matthew-: yeah I understand some use cases for macs but only for work reasons or professional use and not as consumer goods |
| 12:57.41 | sar3th | it don't work on mac :P |
| 12:57.56 | wazd | sar3th: actually you're wrong |
| 12:58.07 | wazd | sar3th: veeery wrong :) |
| 12:58.12 | matthew- | wazd: CUDA? |
| 12:58.15 | sar3th | then come play bioshock 2 with me wazd |
| 12:58.20 | matthew- | sar3th: play WOW |
| 12:58.26 | matthew- | sar3th: and you'll be in shock :) |
| 12:58.30 | sar3th | WOW = fail |
| 12:58.31 | matthew- | or CS2 |
| 12:58.36 | matthew- | SC2* |
| 12:58.51 | sar3th | CUDA, the art of hijacking your GPU to do what you want |
| 12:58.53 | sar3th | :D |
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| 12:59.19 | gouverneur | lets stop this fight... the true fact is that the sentence "you need to jailbreak if you want to do that" points out that all people using and loving mac are some kind of stockholm syndrom deseased |
| 12:59.20 | wazd | sar3th: http://www.macworld.com/article/52176/2006/08/cider.html |
| 12:59.57 | gouverneur | same counts for microsoft at some point |
| 13:00.07 | sar3th | thanks gouverneur, both agreed |
| 13:00.14 | wazd | gouverneur: thaks, doc |
| 13:00.35 | wazd | gouverneur: my life so miserable before you came |
| 13:00.50 | sar3th | but, i have to say 1 more thing: wazd, cider = wine -> performance sucky sucky |
| 13:01.07 | matthew- | gouverneur: Well, the fact is, I use MAC for a reason. And I dont want to do anything more ;-) |
| 13:01.19 | sar3th | software should just be multi-platformed and or opensource |
| 13:01.27 | sar3th | then we are all good and win :) |
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| 13:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
| 13:03.02 | wazd | sar3th: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0GcHwCTVJA - performance looks fine to me |
| 13:04.01 | ali1234 | what is cider? like wine? |
| 13:04.15 | thresh | it is |
| 13:04.19 | sar3th | 15fps? lol |
| 13:04.34 | wazd | anyway |
| 13:04.35 | sar3th | let's drop it now wazd |
| 13:04.52 | sar3th | we both agree that we disagree ;) |
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| 13:05.31 | ali1234 | i find wine works pretty well |
| 13:05.38 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: zfs is my friend |
| 13:05.49 | wazd | I'm not using any apple product, and I was suggesting nokia to hire that guy cause he's a very skilled CADer/prototyper cause titanium is not the best material to use. And there's no n910 btw |
| 13:05.53 | timeless_mbp | i'm booted from my 10.6 mac w/ my 10.6 /Users/timeless |
| 13:06.19 | timeless_mbp | but once i zpool imported my 10.5 disk, it overlayed /Users/timeless from there, so now i'm staring at my 10.5 desktop and my 10.5 apps :) |
| 13:06.48 | wazd | so I gues there's a problem in your head cause you're going out of mind every time someone's mentioning "apple" :D |
| 13:06.49 | GeneralAntilles | I think Apple has a wizard for that. :P |
| 13:07.17 | sar3th | that might indeed be true wazd |
| 13:07.26 | gouverneur | wazd: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone |
| 13:08.09 | sar3th | whanks gouverneur |
| 13:08.14 | sar3th | maddox ftw |
| 13:08.18 | sar3th | *thanks |
| 13:08.39 | wazd | gouverneur: and? |
| 13:08.40 | gouverneur | ;) I love him! |
| 13:08.49 | wazd | gouverneur: what sould I say now? :) |
| 13:09.02 | gouverneur | wazd: nothin... |
| 13:09.41 | wazd | gouverneur: then what's the point? You wanna talk bout your iPhone hatred? :D |
| 13:10.23 | gouverneur | did... I did... it was so painful.. |
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| 13:10.27 | timeless_mbp | (hence colloquy) |
| 13:10.28 | gouverneur | ;) |
| 13:10.42 | sar3th | "Can't do fundamental tasks like copy & paste text:" <-- i was so amazed when i copied stuff on my n900 using ctrl+c :D |
| 13:11.44 | wazd | sar3th: yeah, to copy text from your e-mail you should *forward* it first :D |
| 13:11.58 | wazd | sar3th: amazing |
| 13:12.30 | sar3th | it is, copy some commands from the webbrowser and insert them into xterm->double win + laziness :D |
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| 13:16.05 | fzfq3m | hi guys... |
| 13:16.36 | fzfq3m | A stupid question: Is it possible to change nokia N900 Base bands?? |
| 13:18.18 | frals | is it possible to get download statistics from -devel that are currently available from extras? |
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| 13:19.01 | gouverneur | fzfq3m: what do you mean cell frequencies? wifi? |
| 13:19.29 | fzfq3m | gouverneur:HSDPA bands |
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| 13:19.52 | gouverneur | fzfq3m: how should that be possible? |
| 13:20.07 | fzfq3m | gouverneur:In my country we got three oprators... two working at 1900 and 1 working at 900 |
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| 13:21.16 | gouverneur | fzfq3m: nope, afaik it is hardware limited, at least there is no info and the drivers dont change to other bands than the fixed |
| 13:24.22 | fzfq3m | gouverneur:just asking, Long ago I owned a Motorola C333 and I got it flashed with a firmware different from stock one... that firmware changed the base band of the C333 |
| 13:24.30 | joppu | Andrewfblack: pong |
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| 13:25.17 | fzfq3m | gouverneur: I went like crazy when the c333 started cause it didn´t was able to pickup my operator network :-P |
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| 13:25.42 | SpeedEvil | It may be possible to change to bands that are not supported by the hardware |
| 13:26.51 | fzfq3m | SpeedEvil: but then there will be a penalty right? Due hardware being optimized for specific bands?? |
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| 13:29.27 | alterego | Anyone know if it's possible to keep track of the current home screen being displayeed? |
| 13:29.44 | SpeedEvil | fzfq3m: it may not work at all |
| 13:29.54 | alterego | Couldn't find anything in gconf for it, no dbus event, though I wouldn't have expected that really. |
| 13:29.55 | SpeedEvil | fzfq3m: or it may have a range of some meters from the cell tower |
| 13:33.54 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 13:34.26 | Arif_ | morning |
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| 13:38.49 | TomaszD | guys, please test and vote for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/sitrep/0.4-15/ |
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| 13:40.06 | fzfq3m | Thanks |
| 13:41.26 | SpeedEvil | TomaszD: I'd like to see hooking it to the accel. |
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| 13:41.38 | TomaszD | SpeedEvil, it's amazing right now |
| 13:41.41 | SpeedEvil | TomaszD: so that passing an orientation counts as 'next'. |
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| 13:44.11 | hrw | who I should ask to get changelog view fixed? |
| 13:44.51 | hrw | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mdbus2/ - changelog view is broken a bit |
| 13:44.53 | TomaszD | hrw, X-Fade I think |
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| 13:45.31 | achipa | anyone with a quick point what GPIO/ioctl/etc turns *on* the red led between the white flash ones ? I'd like to make an astronomy friendly version of flashlight... |
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| 13:47.24 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 13:47.32 | Arif_ | shake2control is b0rked |
| 13:47.34 | Arif_ | xD |
| 13:47.45 | X-Fade | hrw: That would be me. |
| 13:48.27 | hrw | X-Fade: nl2br() please on changelog entries |
| 13:49.16 | hrw | btw - did someone wrote really short 'quick introduction to extras-devel->testing->extras queue for developers'? |
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| 13:49.36 | X-Fade | hrw: Did you use * for new entries? |
| 13:50.18 | hrw | not only * |
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| 13:51.48 | lovelyboy | hi, me again. apt-get update still fails after i edit the /sources.list |
| 13:52.05 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.05 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.16 | hrw | thats what Debian policy says about changelogs |
| 13:52.19 | X-Fade | hrw: Indeed. |
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| 13:52.54 | X-Fade | hrw: just need to see of I can be smart about some new lines. |
| 13:53.03 | lovelyboy | i think it's the problem of /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf, but dont know how to fix that |
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| 13:53.16 | X-Fade | hrw: wanted to prevent hard breaks in a fluid div. |
| 13:53.30 | hrw | X-Fade: <pre>entry</pre> would be easier |
| 13:53.41 | hrw | but yes, can break design |
| 13:53.48 | X-Fade | hrw: No pre is the source of all evil ;) |
| 13:54.11 | hrw | X-Fade: so write complex parser ;( |
| 13:54.33 | X-Fade | hrw: I wonder if there is a max line length. |
| 13:54.52 | hrw | anyway looks like I need to dig deep into maemo wiki and infrastructure to understand how extras migration (devel->testing->normal) works |
| 13:54.57 | hrw | X-Fade: assume 80 chars |
| 13:55.36 | X-Fade | hrw: yeah, will try to fix the layout at least. Now it looks weird. |
| 13:56.45 | hrw | ok, so simple question then: I uploaded package (mdbus2) into autobuilder. package is in extras-devel now. will it migrate to extras-testing by its own or should I dig into maemo.org/somewhere and click magic buttons? |
| 13:57.07 | X-Fade | hrw: go to the arm version of the packge. |
| 13:57.12 | X-Fade | hrw: click on promote. |
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| 13:57.55 | hrw | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/mdbus2/2.0.0-2/ lacks such button (and I am logged in) |
| 13:58.04 | X-Fade | hrw: But you seem to be missing: XSBC-Bugtracker: |
| 13:58.31 | hrw | X-Fade: there is no bugtracker for packaging of that app |
| 13:58.42 | hrw | wants lintian on maemo |
| 13:58.44 | X-Fade | hrw: It is one of the requirements for Extras. |
| 13:59.09 | X-Fade | hrw: andre__ can give you one, or you can fill in mailto:youremail. |
| 13:59.19 | hrw | so "XSBC-Bugtracker: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/contact/" will do? |
| 13:59.36 | andre__ | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products |
| 13:59.44 | andre__ | and http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Bugtracker_location |
| 14:00.28 | hrw | thx andre__ |
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| 14:08.38 | Andrewfblack_ | Stskeeps: Ping |
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| 14:09.33 | Andrewfblack_ | hmm guess I'm still online at home hello Andrewfblack |
| 14:10.50 | mgedmin | /msg nickserv ghost Andrewfblack? |
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| 14:14.40 | hrw | no new rumours about PR 1.2? |
| 14:16.10 | nomis | hrw: I could make one up. |
| 14:16.25 | nid0 | ovi maps 4.0 coming in 1.2!!11! |
| 14:16.51 | nomis | nid0: srsly? Oh wow!!1! |
| 14:17.28 | RST38h | moo all |
| 14:17.39 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, why? Which would you like? ;) |
| 14:17.53 | Arif_ | nid0, will it teleport me to my destination? |
| 14:18.02 | RST38h | hrw: There is a hope for the official Ctrl-Shift-I in the browser |
| 14:18.21 | RST38h | hrw: At least romaxa says UX people are *considering* it |
| 14:18.26 | nid0 | not as such, but it does actually fold space for you when you tell it where you want to go, so you can step forwards and you're there |
| 14:18.31 | hrw | ;D |
| 14:18.41 | Arif_ | pff |
| 14:18.45 | Arif_ | it's useless then |
| 14:18.53 | Arif_ | even apple has it! |
| 14:18.58 | mgedmin | fold space? like guild navigators? |
| 14:19.08 | Arif_ | in iPhone OS 3.3! |
| 14:19.18 | nid0 | yep, theres a tiny little reservoir of spice in the battery compartment |
| 14:19.20 | mgedmin | supply your own spice, I bet |
| 14:19.22 | nid0 | unused till now |
| 14:19.37 | RST38h | Finally, a syringe included with the softwareupdate... |
| 14:19.38 | Arif_ | so THAT's why the N900 is so thick! |
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| 14:21.52 | wazd | can anybody please hit me with harmattan UI framework images? |
| 14:21.55 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 14:22.11 | Arif_ | I can just hit you ... |
| 14:22.14 | Stskeeps | wazd: planet.maemo.org a couple of pages back |
| 14:22.25 | Corsac | hits wazd |
| 14:22.27 | wazd | Arif_: bad idea :D |
| 14:22.31 | Corsac | damn |
| 14:22.39 | hrw | X-Fade: "Failed to load component net.nehmer.static: Component not in manifest list." on http://maemo.org/packages/view/mdbus2/ |
| 14:22.51 | wazd | Failed to load component net.nehmer.static: Component not in manifest list. |
| 14:23.16 | wazd | omg, they kileed maemo.org! You bastards! |
| 14:23.21 | X-Fade | hrw: Should be gone now. |
| 14:23.21 | wazd | killed* |
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| 14:23.37 | Arif_ | don't worry, it'll be back the next episode |
| 14:23.37 | wazd | X-Fade: what happened to download stats btw? :) |
| 14:23.41 | X-Fade | hrw: Was during cache flush, changelog should be batter. |
| 14:23.47 | X-Fade | better even. |
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| 14:24.13 | hrw | X-Fade: much better now. thx |
| 14:24.37 | RST38h | wazd: moo indeed! |
| 14:25.08 | VDVsx | moos at RST38h ;) |
| 14:25.18 | X-Fade | wazd: You like? |
| 14:25.33 | wazd | X-Fade: well, they all skyrocketed :) |
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| 14:25.49 | X-Fade | wazd: I now have the actual akamai stats. |
| 14:25.51 | RST38h | VDVsx: How is suffering today? =) |
| 14:26.03 | wazd | X-Fade: great! |
| 14:26.05 | RST38h | ColEm 2.6.0-2 goes into Extras |
| 14:26.26 | Arif_ | has no Coleco vision roms |
| 14:26.26 | VDVsx | RST38h, dunno :D |
| 14:26.31 | wazd | X-Fade: OMWeather gone from hot top at all, but I actually like it :) |
| 14:26.33 | hrw | waits for mdbus 2.0.0-3 in extras-devel... |
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| 14:26.49 | Arif_ | waits for a better GBA emulator |
| 14:26.50 | wazd | X-Fade: that UI design doesn't deserve to be in top :D |
| 14:26.56 | RST38h | VDVsx: Isn't it troubling not knowhing how you are gonna suffer today? =) |
| 14:26.58 | X-Fade | wazd: hehe. |
| 14:27.16 | Arif_ | and someone port a megadrive emu, damnit |
| 14:27.17 | Arif_ | :P |
| 14:27.29 | RST38h | Arif: Do it yourself, why wait? |
| 14:27.30 | VDVsx | RST38h, lol |
| 14:27.31 | wazd | Stskeeps: you demon, I'm tired of hitting "older" link :D |
| 14:27.43 | Arif_ | RST38h, easier said then done |
| 14:27.46 | Arif_ | ;p |
| 14:27.52 | VDVsx | wazd, sec |
| 14:28.33 | VDVsx | wazd, http://www.andreagrandi.it/2010/02/16/maemo-6-harmattan-ui-screenshots/ |
| 14:28.38 | wazd | VDVsx: found it :) |
| 14:28.47 | RST38h | Arif: Good, start toiling. |
| 14:28.51 | wazd | VDVsx: thanks anyway :) |
| 14:29.15 | Arif_ | I'd rather not |
| 14:29.15 | VDVsx | wazd, see, I'm really fast ;) |
| 14:29.16 | Arif_ | :P |
| 14:29.17 | VDVsx | :D |
| 14:29.36 | wazd | VDVsx: you had it bookmarked, cheater :P |
| 14:30.02 | VDVsx | wazd, no no, thunderbird search ;) |
| 14:30.08 | VDVsx | I've the planet feed there |
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| 14:30.45 | wazd | VDVsx: ah :) |
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| 14:31.13 | wazd | VDVsx: I thought you'd try to convice me that you've searched trhu pages :D |
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| 14:31.25 | VDVsx | lol |
| 14:31.58 | wazd | I remembered where I saw that "home" icon |
| 14:32.12 | wazd | http://mobileroar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/maemo1.jpg |
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| 14:33.10 | Arif_ | that person needs to meet someone else |
| 14:33.11 | Arif_ | ;p |
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| 14:35.21 | VDVsx | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/nokias-ovi-maps-headed-to-windows-mobile-and-android/ (eheheh, always making funny rumors) |
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| 14:35.47 | Arif_ | lolwat |
| 14:36.02 | Arif_ | they should make it available on their own phones first |
| 14:36.18 | pillar_ | Arif_: :) |
| 14:36.39 | Arif_ | *cough*N95, N9000*cough* |
| 14:36.44 | hrw | VDVsx: WM and Android have already *working* maps |
| 14:36.59 | Arif_ | but are they free |
| 14:37.10 | Corsac | n9000 ? |
| 14:37.12 | Corsac | new rumor! |
| 14:37.16 | Arif_ | yes! |
| 14:37.19 | pillar_ | Update: Nokia just got back to us with an unsurprising response: "have spoken to Greig and he absolutely didn't make that statement. |
| 14:37.29 | VDVsx | hrw, yes, but you need a data connections, no offline maps |
| 14:37.36 | Arif_ | fotoshops an N90000 |
| 14:38.02 | VDVsx | and Google maps doesn't has turn by turn nor pedestrian outside the US;) |
| 14:38.04 | Arif_ | the title won't fit anymore soon :( |
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| 14:38.40 | hrw | VDVsx: WM has offline maps apps |
| 14:39.04 | hrw | VDVsx: tomtom, automapa, mapamap, easymap, igo and few others are working under wm |
| 14:39.11 | Arif_ | they're not free! |
| 14:39.22 | VDVsx | hrw, same for android |
| 14:39.46 | VDVsx | prices from $99 to $250 |
| 14:39.49 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 14:39.59 | wazd | begs his head to stop generating UI ideas |
| 14:40.03 | Arif_ | There's a Turkish saying: free vinegar tastes better than paid for honey :P |
| 14:40.04 | VDVsx | according to endgadget |
| 14:40.08 | hrw | Arif_: my tomtom 3rd with qvga has better software/hardware then n810/n900 |
| 14:40.47 | Arif_ | really, why would they have so good hardware for just mapping :P |
| 14:41.03 | hrw | Arif_: offline gps fix in seconds instead of years (n810/n900) |
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| 14:41.35 | Arif_ | we have some tomtom one laying around here somewhere |
| 14:41.38 | Arif_ | I don't know what gen :( |
| 14:41.52 | Arif_ | but yeah, phone GPS mostly sucks :P |
| 14:41.56 | hrw | cpu power etc sucks a bit as it is s3c2410/200MHz with 32MB ram but anyway is much faster then any nokia tablet/phone gps |
| 14:42.10 | Arif_ | but I never use GPS |
| 14:42.12 | Arif_ | so I don't care :D |
| 14:42.19 | Arif_ | I care more for the media player to improve |
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| 14:43.00 | hrw | ;) |
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| 14:43.33 | hrw | gps saved me lot of time in Brussels, London, Cambridge and other places where I was for first time |
| 14:43.49 | hrw | -> coffee |
| 14:45.08 | mgedmin | iirc gps never helped me, but maps did |
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| 14:49.17 | Arif_ | by the time you got a gps fix youarrived to your destination? |
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| 15:04.12 | Stskeeps | crashes after a long day and gets around to watching Rebuild of Evangelion |
| 15:06.49 | mgedmin | rebuild? |
| 15:07.38 | Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebuild_of_Evangelion |
| 15:08.51 | mgedmin | thanks |
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| 15:10.04 | Jaffa | bergie: seen VDVsx's request for karma corrections? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=545884#post545884 |
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| 15:11.49 | bergie | Jaffa: nope, missed that. I'll be offline for tomorrow (15h in airplane, fun), but early next week I could probably do any karma calculator changes you guys want |
| 15:11.54 | bergie | just tell me what to do |
| 15:12.21 | Jaffa | bergie: Ask VDVsx ;-) |
| 15:12.46 | Jaffa | The new algorithm (community-agreed, IIRC) obviously needs some further tweaks now it's put into practice. |
| 15:13.47 | VDVsx | Jaffa, well, community-agreed + non-agreed changes ;) |
| 15:14.00 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I was trying to be diplomatic ;-) |
| 15:15.30 | Arif_ | yawns |
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| 15:16.27 | bergie | VDVsx: so yeah, just let me know the concrete changes that need to be made |
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| 15:17.33 | VDVsx | bergie, not really sure about blogs, so far anyone suggested a good formula, perhaps some sqrt again :D |
| 15:18.27 | VDVsx | I'll ask again and send you a email over the weekend |
| 15:18.36 | bergie | ok |
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| 15:20.37 | Shapeshifter | humm humm, no XDG env variables :o |
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| 15:29.55 | crashanddie | Jaffa: replied to your email |
| 15:30.06 | Jaffa | crashanddie: ta |
| 15:30.13 | crashanddie | Jaffa: you woke me up, I actually put an alert on your emails this week on the BB |
| 15:30.16 | crashanddie | I'm off, later |
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| 15:33.34 | corecode | how do i select text in an email? |
| 15:33.49 | Jaffa | corecode: Reply & shift-cursor keys |
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| 15:34.52 | corecode | reply... |
| 15:35.14 | X-Fade | yes, ugly. I think there is a bug for that. |
| 15:35.35 | Arif_ | can't you use hte mouse thingy like in SMS/web browser? |
| 15:35.42 | corecode | no |
| 15:35.46 | corecode | laters |
| 15:35.57 | Arif_ | aw |
| 15:36.05 | Andrewfblack_ | is back from meeting |
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| 15:37.02 | hrw | hi Andrewfblack_ konttori |
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| 15:38.13 | pupnik | aha so N900 wifi does not use sdio |
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| 15:40.01 | konttori | hrw: ho |
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| 15:44.19 | lupine_85 | odd, the n900 doesn't seem to like nxec wifi |
| 15:44.21 | hrw | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mdbus2/2.0.0-3/ - anyone wants to test? |
| 15:45.16 | SpeedEvil | was just using that. |
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| 15:46.41 | hrw | SpeedEvil: mdbus2? |
| 15:46.49 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 15:46.58 | hrw | how do you like it? |
| 15:47.18 | SpeedEvil | it seems to work basically. |
| 15:47.32 | sar3th|away | is it possible to force the media file indexer to re-index? |
| 15:47.39 | SpeedEvil | help text from --help should be available with help in interactive mode maybe |
| 15:47.54 | sar3th|away | nevermind, it just started |
| 15:50.53 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 15:51.04 | SpeedEvil | Cashback from n900 just came through. |
| 15:51.26 | sar3th|away | cashback? |
| 15:51.32 | tybollt | "free cash - click here!" |
| 15:51.37 | Corsac | ha |
| 15:51.40 | Corsac | checks his account |
| 15:51.48 | w00t | SpeedEvil: cool |
| 15:52.05 | SpeedEvil | (topcashback - ordered through nokia.co.uk) |
| 15:54.09 | w00t | woo |
| 15:54.11 | w00t | mine is there too |
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| 15:55.44 | hrw | sar3th|away: "tracker-processes -r" in terminal resets tracker |
| 15:56.28 | SpeedEvil | Takes my n900 down to 208 quid. :) |
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| 15:56.52 | Arif_ | needs a new toy |
| 15:57.29 | SpeedEvil | (eventually) - 255 o far. |
| 15:57.48 | mgedmin | SpeedEvil, where did you buy it? |
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| 15:58.20 | w00t | nokia.co.uk |
| 15:58.28 | w00t | (read up 5 lines, tsk) |
| 15:58.37 | tybollt | w00t |
| 15:58.46 | mgedmin | my coworker is drooling looking at a n900, but one local operator sells it for the equivalent of 650 quid |
| 15:58.46 | w00t | yes! |
| 15:58.51 | mgedmin | the other local operator doesn't have it at all |
| 15:58.58 | w00t | mgedmin: what the hell? |
| 15:59.06 | tybollt | w00t: sorry I just like saying "w00t"! :) |
| 15:59.10 | w00t | it's cheaper *directly* |
| 15:59.13 | w00t | £499, without discounts |
| 15:59.29 | mgedmin | does that include VAT? |
| 15:59.33 | mgedmin | (my quoted price does) |
| 15:59.37 | w00t | yes, it does |
| 15:59.40 | mgedmin | cool |
| 15:59.50 | luke-jr | lol |
| 16:00.04 | tybollt | isn't that the entire point of subsidising phones and why consumer authorities try to outlaw doing so... they can charge (albeit over time) a H U G E premium from the user. |
| 16:00.12 | *** part/#maemo pupnik (~pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik) |
| 16:00.25 | w00t | tybollt: well to be fair, they usually provide contract as well as the phone, so it does end out cheaper |
| 16:00.31 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: i happened to get it when several voucher codes were valid. |
| 16:00.33 | w00t | (though there are definitely bad deals) |
| 16:00.35 | SpeedEvil | w00t: well - it depends. |
| 16:00.39 | w00t | ^ |
| 16:00.42 | tybollt | w00t: no, it really rarely does |
| 16:00.42 | w00t | see my addendum to that :P |
| 16:00.51 | w00t | ok, let me rephrase |
| 16:00.53 | nid0 | it actually does work out cheaper most of the timer |
| 16:00.56 | tybollt | w00t: because often they charge you an amount you "get to call for" |
| 16:01.01 | w00t | it usually ends out cheaper *if you do your homework* |
| 16:01.07 | SpeedEvil | w00t: t-mobile (uk) works for me at the moment. pay-as-you-go. With a 6 month 1G/mo internet package for 20 quid. |
| 16:01.12 | tybollt | w00t: HELL yeah |
| 16:01.18 | w00t | if you're the sort to just take the one with the lowest figure, you're an idiot |
| 16:01.32 | w00t | because it *will* bite you in the ass by e.g. being a 24 month contract at that low figure |
| 16:01.34 | nid0 | in the uk at least, if you have an airtime requirement that would cost you more than about £15 a month for just the sim, you're better off to get the contract that provides the phone as well |
| 16:01.53 | tybollt | w00t: I'm actually an idiot - though I don't take the one w/ the latest figure anyway :) |
| 16:01.58 | w00t | *g* |
| 16:02.09 | tybollt | s/latest/lowest( |
| 16:02.19 | w00t | the problem I have is that some good contracts with good providers have shit coverage in hull |
| 16:02.21 | nid0 | my contract is gonna cost me £660 over 2 years, but theres no way id get all my calls and data usage for £250 in that same period having bought the phone simfree. |
| 16:02.22 | w00t | e.g. vodaphone |
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| 16:05.51 | Arif_ | contracts are always better than simfree :p |
| 16:06.05 | w00t | depends |
| 16:06.11 | w00t | they aren't for me, because my contract is company provided |
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| 16:06.20 | w00t | so paying extra for a contract I wouldn't use would be stupid |
| 16:06.44 | Arif_ | you already have a contract then |
| 16:06.45 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 16:06.57 | w00t | technically |
| 16:07.05 | w00t | it doesn't come out of my pocket, though ;) |
| 16:07.09 | Arif_ | does it have mobile internets? |
| 16:07.18 | w00t | yes |
| 16:07.18 | nid0 | in fairness my o2 contract on this phone isnt all that amazing |
| 16:07.24 | nid0 | shitty CPW :< |
| 16:07.41 | Arif_ | has TMobile NL |
| 16:07.56 | Arif_ | it's the only provider in .nl with no internet limitations |
| 16:08.34 | Arif_ | other providers have 250MB(!) monthly caps :o |
| 16:09.07 | nid0 | uk providers are all between 500mb-2gb ish |
| 16:09.34 | Arif_ | meh |
| 16:09.46 | Arif_ | 256kbit streams ftw :P |
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| 16:11.46 | X-Fade | Arif_: Do you use them on N900? |
| 16:11.53 | Arif_ | yes |
| 16:12.02 | X-Fade | Arif_: Urls? :) |
| 16:12.17 | Arif_ | points at DVBVIewer+Recording Service |
| 16:13.07 | Arif_ | it streams satellite radio without transcoding! :D |
| 16:15.07 | zaheerm | great #5810 is now resolved |
| 16:15.25 | Arif_ | as wontfix? :P |
| 16:16.27 | w00t | One Nokia employee went to London: "Verified that now network time was properly |
| 16:16.28 | w00t | updated also in London." |
| 16:16.42 | w00t | I can't help but think how epic it would be to have a company purchase you a plane ticket for bug testing |
| 16:16.45 | w00t | 8g* |
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| 16:17.12 | Arif_ | I'd gladly help |
| 16:17.21 | Arif_ | Nokia should buy me a plane ticket to Turkey |
| 16:17.21 | Arif_ | :D |
| 16:17.28 | w00t | I concur with this line of thought |
| 16:17.34 | w00t | they can pay my next trip home to australia |
| 16:17.37 | w00t | :-) |
| 16:17.48 | w00t | GMT+0 -> GMT+10 needs testing, after all |
| 16:17.58 | Arif_ | to be sure |
| 16:18.04 | Arif_ | I can fly back and forth every few weeks |
| 16:18.04 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 16:18.12 | tybollt | australia == home? Lucky basterd :D |
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| 16:18.39 | w00t | tybollt: it's where I was born, yes, I don't live there any more |
| 16:18.52 | Corsac | I'll try CET â PST soon |
| 16:18.59 | SpeedEvil | submits bug 9098 - Long pressing on a location on nokia maps does not give you a teleport option. |
| 16:19.00 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9098 Some contacts not syncing to NuevaSync |
| 16:19.09 | tybollt | Sometimes I feel like flying out of this god forsaken snowcovered hell hole that is sweden and never return :) |
| 16:19.12 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: too late :) |
| 16:19.23 | w00t | SpeedEvil: you know, when I was stuck on a 4 hour train journey yesterday, I was thinking "goddammit why don't we have teleports yet." |
| 16:19.52 | w00t | s/4/3 |
| 16:20.30 | aquatix | w00t: and then you remembered Hyperion? |
| 16:20.54 | Corsac | it's in endymion |
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| 16:22.13 | Arif_ | hopes bug 9020 will be fixed :P |
| 16:22.15 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9020 Media player crashes when trying to search in ''All songs'' |
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| 16:22.27 | Arif_ | oo |
| 16:22.28 | Arif_ | handy bot |
| 16:23.23 | Pillum | yay, im online with my n900 ;) |
| 16:23.28 | w00t | aquatix: whatever reference that is is lost to me I'm afraid |
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| 16:23.49 | aquatix | w00t: http://www.mostlyfiction.com/scifi/simmons.htm |
| 16:23.53 | Arif_ | have fun IRC'ing on that awful keyboard :P |
| 16:24.07 | aquatix | w00t: if you're a bit into sci-fi, I can really recommend it |
| 16:24.16 | Pillum | i have fun :D |
| 16:24.20 | aquatix | Pillum: :) |
| 16:24.25 | aquatix | x-chat? |
| 16:24.31 | Pillum | irssi |
| 16:24.40 | aquatix | my other guess :) |
| 16:24.46 | Pillum | hehe :) |
| 16:25.02 | w00t | aquatix: thanks, i'll look into it ;) |
| 16:25.06 | Pillum | for me the keyboard is perfect! |
| 16:25.10 | Arif_ | I have XChat installed but I haven't started it yet :D |
| 16:25.15 | Pillum | lol |
| 16:25.35 | Arif_ | oh a stupid question btw |
| 16:25.42 | Arif_ | how do I use the auto complete |
| 16:25.52 | SpeedEvil | ctrl-i is tab |
| 16:25.54 | Arif_ | sometimes suggestions appear but I don't know how to say "yes, use that" |
| 16:26.10 | Arif_ | sorry, I mean then typing |
| 16:26.11 | aquatix | d-pad maybe? |
| 16:26.16 | aquatix | erm |
| 16:26.20 | aquatix | *headdesk* |
| 16:26.26 | Arif_ | I use the virtual keyboard |
| 16:26.29 | Arif_ | =O |
| 16:26.45 | aquatix | arrow-right? |
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| 16:27.36 | Arif_ | there's no arrow right! |
| 16:27.38 | Sentri | right arrow does indeed accept the auto completion |
| 16:27.56 | Sentri | on physical keyboard |
| 16:27.59 | Arif_ | maybe that's becasue I have ukeyboard and Turkish layout |
| 16:28.03 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 16:28.12 | Markus23 | Is there a normal text editor which can show multiple files on a sidebar? |
| 16:28.13 | Sentri | on virtual you just touch the word |
| 16:28.16 | Markus23 | like kate? |
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| 16:28.43 | Markus23 | I have kate running in easy-debian, but it is using a lots of resources, such simple thing like file editor could be more efficient for n900 |
| 16:28.57 | Arif_ | Sentri, thankst hat works :D |
| 16:29.07 | Markus23 | It must be plain text files, not html or anything else |
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| 16:29.46 | Pillum | that would be easy to code |
| 16:30.08 | Pillum | just add some tabs to leafpad |
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| 16:31.19 | Markus23 | Pillum: so leafpad allows to edit a single plain text file? |
| 16:31.42 | Markus23 | does it at least remember the last file which was opened? |
| 16:32.32 | Pillum | it can edit a single plain text file |
| 16:33.00 | Markus23 | Pillum: yeah, thats a starting point :-) |
| 16:33.06 | Pillum | but it doesnt remembers the last opened file :( |
| 16:33.31 | Markus23 | ugh ;( |
| 16:33.53 | Pillum | it also has some basic text editing functions like search, replace and jump to |
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| 16:42.14 | Texrat | lol... I forgot I stayed logged into this |
| 16:42.28 | w00t | waves at Texrat |
| 16:42.30 | Stskeeps | first allnighter! |
| 16:42.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:42.38 | wazd | somebody kill me please :( |
| 16:42.48 | Texrat | kills wazd |
| 16:42.50 | aquatix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.06 | Arif_ | .me hands wazd an ýPhone |
| 16:43.10 | Arif_ | hands wazd an ýPhone |
| 16:43.20 | Texrat | Arif still having trouble with text :D |
| 16:43.26 | Stskeeps | whyphone? |
| 16:43.28 | aquatix | Arif_: a whyphone? |
| 16:43.29 | wazd | heh, that's how you love me? :D |
| 16:43.34 | aquatix | Stskeeps: gmta :) |
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| 16:43.40 | Stskeeps | passes wazd candy |
| 16:43.48 | aquatix | gone |
| 16:43.50 | Arif_ | that was supposed to be an i with no dot |
| 16:43.50 | Texrat | steals candy from wazd |
| 16:43.53 | Arif_ | get better fonts! |
| 16:44.06 | wazd | cries |
| 16:44.20 | Arif_ | ıPhone |
| 16:44.22 | Arif_ | how about now |
| 16:44.26 | Texrat | better |
| 16:44.37 | Arif_ | different UTF8 settings per channel ftl |
| 16:44.37 | wazd | eyephone ) |
| 16:44.43 | Stskeeps | 8phone |
| 16:44.45 | Texrat | how about a !phone |
| 16:45.17 | Arif_ | what about the Apfel ichHandy |
| 16:45.25 | Texrat | lol |
| 16:45.31 | wazd | seriously, I need to work, but everytime I try to concentrate I just get an awesome UI idea and draw it :( |
| 16:45.39 | Texrat | I hear ya wazd |
| 16:45.41 | wazd | maybe I need a doctor or something :( |
| 16:45.48 | Texrat | it doesn't help that I hate my real job |
| 16:45.49 | Arif_ | I have the opposite |
| 16:45.55 | Arif_ | I have nothing to do :P |
| 16:46.04 | Texrat | wants to make money in MeeGo ecosystem |
| 16:46.09 | Texrat | <-- for hire |
| 16:46.19 | Arif_ | submit apps to Ovi......wait |
| 16:46.23 | Arif_ | you can't ;( |
| 16:46.23 | Texrat | lol |
| 16:47.19 | Arif_ | but don't worry |
| 16:47.24 | Arif_ | they added a Shrek 4 trailer! |
| 16:47.26 | Arif_ | There is hope! |
| 16:47.29 | Texrat | quits worrying |
| 16:47.31 | Markus23 | leafpad works nice |
| 16:47.49 | Markus23 | mmh, how can I change the desktop entry, so that it directly edits a file? |
| 16:47.57 | wazd | my idea to make MeeGo UI video will definitely screw my life completely |
| 16:47.58 | Markus23 | its somewhere in xdg/menus or? |
| 16:48.07 | Markus23 | but where exactly :-) ? |
| 16:49.21 | Arif_ | I hope Maemo 6 will not be on N900 when I think of it |
| 16:49.49 | Arif_ | more reeason for me to buy a phone with thought out port/speaker placement! |
| 16:50.28 | Markus23 | Arif_: do you think support for Maemo 5 will be better when Maemo 6 is not available for N900? |
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| 16:50.48 | Arif_ | No |
| 16:50.55 | Arif_ | they'll just forget the N900 existed :P |
| 16:51.14 | Arif_ | *cough*N96*cough* |
| 16:55.07 | nid0 | rather have better thought out keyboard than speakers tbh :( |
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| 16:58.48 | Arif_ | well you can use the keyboard if you get used to it |
| 16:58.53 | Arif_ | but the speakers are a joke :P |
| 16:58.59 | Khertan | Texrat haha ... you ll not be able to make money on meego ... before need dev, users, devices, .... |
| 16:59.00 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:59.02 | Texrat | is amazed to see Arif cough up an N96 |
| 16:59.15 | Arif_ | also the keycord thingy is placed on the wrong side |
| 16:59.22 | Texrat | Khertan, MeeGo could hire me! |
| 16:59.29 | Khertan | HaHA ! |
| 16:59.30 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:59.40 | Arif_ | if its dangling around your neck the microphone is facing down! |
| 16:59.49 | Texrat | ANY job but the one I currently have |
| 16:59.59 | Arif_ | Nokia should hire a real life tester |
| 17:00.03 | Arif_ | e.g. me |
| 17:00.15 | Arif_ | Texrat, what is your job :P |
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| 17:00.40 | Texrat | Arif: software change amangement-- which is okay, it's actually the boss/employer/work environ |
| 17:00.45 | Khertan | N should ... wait i must shut up ... it s completely in the opposite direction of the meego way |
| 17:00.48 | Texrat | manageemnt* |
| 17:00.50 | Texrat | geez |
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| 17:00.56 | Texrat | MANAGEMENT* |
| 17:01.08 | Arif_ | lal |
| 17:01.23 | Arif_ | Texrat, you should work for Nokia |
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| 17:01.29 | Arif_ | they change software every week or so |
| 17:01.31 | Texrat | Arif: I used to work for Nokia |
| 17:01.36 | VDVsx | hires Texrat as official coffee supplier for the Meego community :D |
| 17:01.37 | Texrat | they eliminated my job |
| 17:01.38 | VDVsx | hides |
| 17:01.41 | Texrat | yay |
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| 17:01.49 | Texrat | loves VDVsx |
| 17:01.55 | Arif_ | hates coffee |
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| 17:02.18 | Texrat | mmmmmm.... coffeeeeeeee... |
| 17:02.25 | Arif_ | I prefer Turkish tea |
| 17:02.26 | VDVsx | Texrat, Where's my coffee ? ??? |
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| 17:02.30 | VDVsx | ehhehe |
| 17:02.34 | Arif_ | and not the painted water crap they have here in Holland |
| 17:02.36 | Texrat | VDVsx: sorry, I drank yours |
| 17:02.40 | VDVsx | :/ |
| 17:02.40 | Texrat | pupnik! |
| 17:02.45 | SystemParadox | uh oh. My N900 USB connector is broken... |
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| 17:03.15 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 17:03.18 | Texrat | SystemParadox: welcome to a growing club :/ |
| 17:03.24 | pupnik | hi Texrat :) |
| 17:03.43 | Texrat | is working from home again, wife is sick |
| 17:03.44 | Arif_ | welcome to one of the minority groups thats ignored by Nokia! |
| 17:03.44 | pupnik | had a lot of thinking to do after our talk |
| 17:03.55 | Texrat | we talked? I missed it :p |
| 17:04.17 | pupnik | couldnt sleep |
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| 17:04.26 | Vanadis | ffffuuu |
| 17:04.30 | Arif_ | feels he's in a channel with a lot of old people o.o |
| 17:04.31 | Texrat | Arif, Nokia not ignoring... the giant is just slow to turn |
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| 17:04.42 | Vanadis | i have a music album which starts with "..." |
| 17:04.58 | Arif_ | Texrat, it's so much more emotional if you call it ignore :( |
| 17:05.07 | wazd | I've resisted! |
| 17:05.10 | Texrat | just had Life cereal for lunch |
| 17:05.11 | Vanadis | it can not be found by the media player, because it's hidden -.- |
| 17:05.20 | Arif_ | lol |
| 17:05.22 | wazd | I turned off my pc! |
| 17:05.36 | Arif_ | I have all my music in one folder |
| 17:05.37 | pupnik | try mediabox Vanadis |
| 17:06.29 | Arif_ | mediabox didn't like my music collection too much |
| 17:06.50 | VDVsx | Texrat, seriously, the community would benefit for sure some paid(full or party time) community workers for key non-teck areas, if it grows as I'm expecting ;) |
| 17:07.02 | wazd | Stskeeps: can you mail me what changes should I make in marina's controol? |
| 17:07.03 | VDVsx | but that's not easy as we know :) |
| 17:07.24 | Arif_ | VDVsx, so we get assured everythings alright? :P |
| 17:07.35 | VDVsx | wazd, I've the solution for all your problems :D |
| 17:08.00 | wazd | Vdvsx: wow) a colt? :D |
| 17:08.12 | VDVsx | wazd, get a job as UI/UX for mobiles |
| 17:08.28 | VDVsx | :P |
| 17:08.36 | wazd | VDVsx: oh, thanks, captain O :D |
| 17:08.40 | VDVsx | eheheh |
| 17:09.15 | Arif_ | sends wazd to Apple |
| 17:09.28 | VDVsx | I think would be the perfect solution, don't you agree ? ;) |
| 17:09.35 | wazd | Vdvsx: be sure I already was looking for a spot in maemo ui team) |
| 17:09.56 | wazd | Vdvsx: but they stay silent I guess :) |
| 17:10.21 | VDVsx | has a contact at Apple Ireland :D |
| 17:10.23 | Stskeeps | wazd: add "Provides: hildon-theme" in second "section" |
| 17:10.49 | Arif_ | VDVsx, ask him when iPhone os will stop sucking |
| 17:11.03 | VDVsx | eheh |
| 17:11.06 | wazd | Sooo I'm making a MeeGo UI showcase video to prove that I'm worth to get a reply :) |
| 17:11.26 | wazd | Stskeeps: oh, ok |
| 17:11.31 | SpeedEvil | wazd: will you be doing this video on a snowboard at 70MPH? |
| 17:12.43 | Arif_ | hmm |
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| 17:12.49 | VDVsx | Arif_, he works in the mobile team, but I don't dare to ask that, I'm a friendly guy :D |
| 17:12.57 | wazd | SpeedEvil: basejumping ,) |
| 17:13.00 | Arif_ | you're a whatnow? |
| 17:14.07 | Arif_ | The weather in Instanbul is being bad again methink |
| 17:14.07 | Arif_ | s |
| 17:14.23 | Arif_ | I'm getting bad reception ={ |
| 17:15.50 | Texrat | wazd: I have seen many openings for UI/UX design in Nokia lately |
| 17:17.04 | Texrat | VDVsx: I have some applications in to Nokia now, but they are IT infrastructure roles... |
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| 17:17.17 | Texrat | I have seen nothing for MeeGo that I could do, yet |
| 17:17.18 | amjaduae | hello |
| 17:17.31 | Arif_ | is still a student :O |
| 17:17.34 | Texrat | some roles available but I cannot relocate to them :( |
| 17:18.26 | pupnik | http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=PALM&t=5d Palm stock taking heavy hits |
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| 17:19.23 | SystemParadox | huh? How is palm still afloat? |
| 17:19.30 | Stskeeps | did anyone analyze nokia stock after meego? |
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| 17:19.43 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 17:19.45 | SpeedEvil | 'blocks' |
| 17:20.07 | Texrat | Stskeeps: no analysis from me, but I have been buying NOK for some time ;) |
| 17:20.17 | Texrat | last time I did I made a very nice profit |
| 17:20.22 | SpeedEvil | It seems to me that the collision detection is broken, and you can sometimes fit a block through openings it shoudln't go through if it can fit in the final position. |
| 17:20.35 | VDVsx | Texrat, really ? |
| 17:20.39 | Texrat | bought around $14 and sold at around $30 USD |
| 17:20.55 | Texrat | NOK will go up again |
| 17:21.16 | VDVsx | Texrat, and if you keep the stocks, do you earn anything ? |
| 17:21.22 | VDVsx | is a stocks noob |
| 17:21.27 | Texrat | VDVSX: yes, dividends |
| 17:21.28 | nid0 | nokia do pay dividents |
| 17:21.43 | Texrat | good dividend too |
| 17:21.45 | 13WAAFQRH | :\ yeh but you hafto pay tax on the profit |
| 17:21.47 | 13WAAFQRH | :( |
| 17:21.59 | Texrat | not in a retirement account you don't |
| 17:22.05 | Texrat | which is where I trade |
| 17:22.10 | VDVsx | lol |
| 17:22.40 | VDVsx | Texrat, you sound like a Portuguese now, always making schemes to no pay taxes :D |
| 17:22.43 | nid0 | blimey, 50 eurocents a share at last dividend date? |
| 17:22.47 | Stskeeps | Texrat: much praise for both having NOK stock and helping the usb plug issue :) |
| 17:23.28 | nid0 | my stock's with barclays |
| 17:23.33 | nid0 | facepalms |
| 17:24.16 | Stskeeps | wackl: you know, one thing i dont like with marina.. the top bar doesmt merge with the black of the devic |
| 17:24.19 | Stskeeps | e |
| 17:24.25 | Stskeeps | er, wazd |
| 17:24.35 | Stskeeps | and he's not here |
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| 17:28.19 | Arif_ | :hmm: |
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| 17:37.06 | hrw|gone | bye all |
| 17:37.11 | Texrat | VDVsx: no scheme, that's the way retirement accounts work in the US ;) |
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| 17:37.40 | Texrat | likes Ststkeeps' new nickname for wazd: wackl |
| 17:37.58 | Texrat | bergie: hey |
| 17:38.15 | VDVsx | Texrat, it's the same here, it seems ;) |
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| 17:38.36 | bergie | hi |
| 17:38.39 | VDVsx | knows a new scheme thanks to Texrat :D |
| 17:39.18 | Texrat | bergie: for Brainstorm I am considering designing a data model as I see the process... would that be useful? |
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| 17:39.25 | Jaffa | Texrat: Long lagged pong, btw |
| 17:39.36 | Texrat | Jaffa: forgot to sign out |
| 17:39.45 | bergie | Texrat: sure... if we're not happy with the existing one |
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| 17:39.55 | Texrat | running very tired lately |
| 17:40.11 | Texrat | wazd: Stskeeps has given you the new nickname wackl |
| 17:40.37 | Texrat | bergie: I have not seen the existing Brainstorm data schema... could I? |
| 17:41.16 | wazd | Stskeeps: I love ya too :P |
| 17:41.25 | Texrat | Jaffa: did you see my in-process presentation for MeeGo user experience framework? |
| 17:41.33 | Stskeeps | wazd: you know, one thing i dont like with marina.. the top bar doesnt merge with the black of the device |
| 17:41.54 | wazd | Stskeeps: should it?) |
| 17:42.24 | Stskeeps | well, doesn't have to |
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| 17:42.38 | Stskeeps | but black is really black on this thing |
| 17:42.49 | Texrat | is about to conclude lunch break and get back to crap work |
| 17:43.06 | Arif_ | mmm, lunch at 18:42 |
| 17:43.10 | Texrat | Jaffa: http://maemo-daemons.org/MeeGo_User_Experience_Framework.pdf |
| 17:43.17 | bergie | Texrat: http://maemo.org/news/__ais/help/org.maemo.brainstorm/mgdschemas/ |
| 17:43.22 | Texrat | Arif: lunch on Texas time ;) |
| 17:43.26 | wazd | Stskeeps: it won't merge anyway cause it's not oan led screen |
| 17:43.26 | wazd | An oled* |
| 17:43.30 | Texrat | bergie: :) |
| 17:43.32 | wazd | Hmmm |
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| 17:43.49 | wazd | stskeeps: can you pm me please?) |
| 17:43.49 | Jaffa | Texrat: Thanks - will look after dinner. |
| 17:44.26 | Vanadis | Anybody knows, if the SDSDQ-016G-E11M (Sandisk microSDHC 16GB) works in N900? |
| 17:44.40 | Arif_ | why shouldn't it |
| 17:45.29 | Texrat | Jaffa: may need your input on further developing app, package and OS metadata |
| 17:45.39 | Vanadis | because, ever when i bought a memory card it didn't work |
| 17:45.47 | Stskeeps | wazd: done |
| 17:45.57 | Vanadis | bought a 128mb for my old Nokia 3650 -> didn't work |
| 17:46.12 | Vanadis | bought a 512mb for my old Nokia 6680 -> didn't work |
| 17:46.21 | Arif_ | lol |
| 17:46.30 | Arif_ | you're one unlucky person ;( |
| 17:47.02 | Vanadis | well, i guess i'm just go to buy one -.- |
| 17:47.07 | Texrat | Jaffa: I referenced your donation attributes suggestion but it will likely need to change for MeeGo |
| 17:47.20 | Arif_ | has a 16GB card working at least |
| 17:48.24 | Vanadis | Arif_, what model do you have? |
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| 17:48.35 | Arif_ | it's a kingston one |
| 17:48.40 | Arif_ | don't know the exact model |
| 17:48.55 | Texrat | I will be updating the content of the user xp presentation a bit later today |
| 17:49.17 | Texrat | got good suggestions yesterday after meego-meeting |
| 17:49.20 | joppu | Is it bad if I attend the Mobile Dev Camp even though I'm really not a programmer? It's like 10 minutes by walk from where I live. |
| 17:49.27 | xnt14 | how do I stop all hildon-destop stuff? |
| 17:49.29 | Texrat | joppu: no |
| 17:49.34 | Texrat | :joppu: do it |
| 17:49.51 | xnt14 | I run /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop, and my widgets are still there |
| 17:50.07 | joppu | Texrat: Thanks, sure will do :) |
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| 17:51.35 | Texrat | joppu: we developers were just users once too ;) |
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| 17:52.37 | jo-erlend | on n900, can I just use dd to backup the entire system like I would with my desktop? |
| 17:52.53 | Arif_ | walk around complaining about their apps :P |
| 17:53.10 | joppu | Well I actually do have released a few themes :D |
| 17:53.24 | jo-erlend | want to experiment a bit, but I need to restore my system later. |
| 17:53.33 | SystemParadox | jo-erlend, um, why would you be using dd on your desktop? |
| 17:53.41 | SystemParadox | seriously- rsync |
| 17:54.26 | Texrat | time to get back to work... later all |
| 17:54.36 | xnt14 | jo-erlend: just rsync your data to your desktop and then do what you want, if you screw up, just reflash and put your data back |
| 17:54.48 | jo-erlend | systemparadox: to dump the content of a hdd to some other storage in case of failure, for instance. |
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| 17:54.58 | SystemParadox | UGH |
| 17:55.05 | SystemParadox | just save the files |
| 17:55.07 | SystemParadox | disk images are silly |
| 17:55.13 | jo-erlend | hmm? |
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| 17:55.19 | Arif_ | stop backing up your pr0n |
| 17:55.41 | SystemParadox | jo-erlend, there is almost never any need to save the partition structure, so why bother? |
| 17:55.45 | jo-erlend | it's alot more work to manually restore everything later... |
| 17:55.53 | SystemParadox | I find the opposite |
| 17:56.02 | jo-erlend | really... |
| 17:56.03 | SystemParadox | often if I'm restoring it'll be to a different disk |
| 17:56.15 | jo-erlend | yes? |
| 17:56.21 | SystemParadox | or I'll have taken the opportunity to resize partitions |
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| 17:56.46 | SystemParadox | in any case, I really really don't recommend dd for embedded devices |
| 17:56.58 | SystemParadox | because the partition table is not something you're supposed to be messing with |
| 17:56.59 | jo-erlend | hmm. ok |
| 17:57.12 | SystemParadox | plus, rsync can do nice fast things like incremental backups |
| 17:57.56 | Arif_ | you have a "backup" button too somewhere... |
| 17:57.57 | Arif_ | :p |
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| 17:58.20 | jo-erlend | yes. I don't know how to restore it when the n900 doesn't have an os though. |
| 17:58.30 | xnt14 | jo-erlend: you can reflash |
| 17:58.42 | pupnik | the pressure sensitive touch screen is magic. how does it survive pockets? |
| 17:58.43 | Arif_ | ~flash |
| 17:58.43 | infobot | flash is, like, For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap |
| 17:58.45 | Arif_ | ! |
| 17:58.49 | evilrob | I have images on my memory card from my other camera. Is there a way to get to those from the UI (for attaching to emails)? They're in /media/mmc1/Images. Do I just have to copy them all to /media/mmc1/DCIM ?? |
| 17:58.54 | Arif_ | ....uhm |
| 17:58.55 | Arif_ | no |
| 17:59.02 | Arif_ | stupid bot |
| 17:59.11 | xnt14 | lol |
| 17:59.20 | Arif_ | ~update |
| 17:59.20 | infobot | dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
| 17:59.21 | Arif_ | ? |
| 17:59.22 | pupnik | evilrob: iirc those should get picked up by tracker |
| 17:59.27 | xnt14 | ... |
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| 17:59.30 | pupnik | stop Arif_ |
| 17:59.36 | ShadowJK | ~flashing |
| 17:59.37 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:59.43 | Arif_ | there you go |
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| 18:00.06 | VDVsx | joppu, you can offer your help as designer to one of the themes ;) |
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| 18:00.47 | evilrob | pupnik: they were viewable in the photos app, but attachment UI browses through a path. can't get to root. and they're both vfat filesystems so I can't symlink |
| 18:01.09 | xnt14 | how do I stop all hildon-desktop services? /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop doesn't seem to kill widgets and the menubar. |
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| 18:02.57 | pupnik | evilrob: i dont know that "UI". You can send via email from photo sharing |
| 18:03.23 | evilrob | email, add attachment |
| 18:03.57 | pupnik | ah sounds like a missing feature. |
| 18:03.59 | joppu | VDVsx: haha, but one of what themes? :P |
| 18:04.27 | VDVsx | joppu, err, I meant team, lolol |
| 18:04.45 | pupnik | perhaps a bug/enhancement report is in order evilrob |
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| 18:05.20 | joppu | VDVsx: :D |
| 18:05.50 | VDVsx | joppu, there's a small IRC channel for the event/contest -> #nokia_mdc |
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| 18:14.29 | AntiXpucT | ÑÑ ÐµÑÑÐºÑ |
| 18:14.35 | AntiXpucT | * hi there |
| 18:14.47 | AntiXpucT | which jabber clients for maemo5 you can recommend? |
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| 18:15.03 | AntiXpucT | (except default and pidgin) |
| 18:15.05 | Stskeeps | maemo5 itself |
| 18:15.20 | AntiXpucT | Stskeeps, maemo is OS, not jabber client ;) |
| 18:15.32 | Stskeeps | yes, but it has built in jabber |
| 18:15.32 | Myrtti | except default and pidgin - I didn't know there actually were other options yet |
| 18:15.36 | jo-erlend | what's wrong with telepathy? |
| 18:15.39 | Lumpio- | ...however it comes with integration for IM |
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| 18:16.15 | Myrtti | and pidgin it self in any platform is kind of half assed stupid bloody... |
| 18:16.23 | Myrtti | huggles bitlbee+irssi |
| 18:16.27 | AntiXpucT | jo-erlend, all is fine, except contact manager doesn't support gruopchats, can't hide offline contacts and can't change "priority" |
| 18:17.06 | Lumpio- | I want to start using bitlbee but I'd need to rethink my window layout |
| 18:17.12 | Lumpio- | And key bindings |
| 18:17.19 | Lumpio- | I don't have space for IM windows D: |
| 18:17.37 | Myrtti | Lumpio-: bitlbee as window 2 and split windows with that window is on the upper split |
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| 18:17.48 | Myrtti | *sigh* |
| 18:17.57 | Lumpio- | >_> |
| 18:17.58 | Myrtti | with that bitlbee channel window |
| 18:18.07 | Lumpio- | Does that really work nicely on a small-ish screen |
| 18:18.20 | Myrtti | sure, do you want me to take a screenshot? |
| 18:18.33 | Myrtti | I don't know if I've got a screenshot tool installed on my n800, let me check |
| 18:18.52 | Lumpio- | I guess that one didn't have a global hotkey for it like the newer ones |
| 18:18.57 | Lumpio- | (Newer as in N900 >_>) |
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| 18:20.32 | Myrtti | humdidum |
| 18:20.56 | Arif_ | aww, no ctrl shift p in the N800? |
| 18:21.26 | Arif_ | you should demand a firmware update to Maemo5 :( |
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| 18:24.50 | lcuk | Arif_, how would that work |
| 18:25.10 | Arif_ | what? |
| 18:25.15 | lcuk | forced update |
| 18:25.24 | lcuk | err not forced |
| 18:25.27 | lcuk | but you know what i mean |
| 18:25.50 | Arif_ | Myrtti should demand an update to maemo 5 on the N800 to use ctrl shift p :P |
| 18:26.11 | lcuk | either that, or just patch the current screenshot tool to support same thing |
| 18:26.15 | lcuk | i do like screenshots |
| 18:26.31 | Arif_ | just like everyone is complaining about Maemo 6 on the N900 |
| 18:26.33 | Arif_ | :) |
| 18:29.40 | Markus23 | Arif_: maybe because Maemo 5 is so great :-) |
| 18:29.49 | Markus23 | Arif_: where do you guys have all the information about Maemo 6? |
| 18:29.50 | Mousey | =) |
| 18:30.14 | Myrtti | *humdidumdidum* |
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| 18:30.30 | ioeee | hi |
| 18:30.33 | lcuk | gets Myrtti a coffee |
| 18:30.38 | Arif_ | what information? |
| 18:30.43 | Arif_ | I just make things up :P |
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| 18:30.54 | Myrtti | Markus23: maemo 6 is made of cheesecake |
| 18:31.36 | lcuk | w00t i got another fp on slash |
| 18:31.36 | Arif_ | I hear they're making a chocolate flavor too |
| 18:31.39 | Markus23 | Arif_: so people complain about Maemo 6 on n900 without having any information about it? |
| 18:31.48 | Arif_ | yes |
| 18:31.50 | Arif_ | exactly |
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| 18:32.30 | Arif_ | complaining is awesome |
| 18:32.32 | Arif_ | you should try it |
| 18:33.02 | Markus23 | I think Nokia could learn something from apple - there are also lots of rumours there, but they are mainly positive :-) |
| 18:33.03 | |R | haha |
| 18:33.29 | Markus23 | Arif_: I am rather looking forward to the next update :-) |
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| 18:33.37 | Arif_ | yeah, but the actual product sucks unlike Nokia's :p |
| 18:33.42 | Myrtti | oh god, the neverending Apple vs. Nokia battle |
| 18:33.47 | Myrtti | gets the popcorn |
| 18:33.57 | Arif_ | steals Myrtti's popcorn |
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| 18:34.07 | lcuk | dips into the popcorn also |
| 18:34.19 | Markus23 | Myrtti: no, I only pointed out that Apple controls the rumours better then Nokia, nothing about the products :-) |
| 18:34.58 | Arif_ | I remember the iPad rumors |
| 18:35.02 | Markus23 | about real products there are no rumours :-) |
| 18:35.04 | luke-jr | so... rumour has it that Apple has superior rumour control than Nokia |
| 18:35.21 | Arif_ | Mediamarkt DE leaked it'd be 500⬠|
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| 18:35.41 | Arif_ | it was 450⬠for the 3Gless 8GB version |
| 18:35.43 | Myrtti | everyone has seen this, right? http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=41296440 |
| 18:35.44 | luke-jr | heh. is that a tautology perhaps? :p |
| 18:35.49 | Arif_ | and the 3G 32GB version was like 900⬠|
| 18:35.49 | Arif_ | lol |
| 18:36.04 | Milo- | anyone here know how to do dh_make on gentoo linux? can't find a package for 'debianizing' my src package :/ |
| 18:36.15 | Markus23 | I heard nothing about n900 before it was released |
| 18:36.19 | Arif_ | Myrtti, does it fly? |
| 18:36.19 | lcuk | Myrtti o_O |
| 18:36.29 | Markus23 | and unfortunately I hear a lot about apple products before they release :-) |
| 18:37.43 | luke-jr | Milo-: say what? |
| 18:38.09 | Milo- | luke-jr reading qt packaging guide for maemo, and it says I have to do dh_make to debianize my package.. |
| 18:38.16 | Milo- | can't find dh_make for gentoo |
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| 18:39.51 | wolf^ | Milo-, find some project that already has debian/* stuff and steal it |
| 18:39.57 | Milo- | :P |
| 18:40.04 | wolf^ | much less pain in the ass |
| 18:41.26 | Milo- | heh |
| 18:41.41 | Milo- | it does say you have to modify it manually anyways :P |
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| 18:41.59 | luke-jr | Milo-: Gentoo isn't Debian |
| 18:42.00 | Myrtti | Lumpio-: the tag is a bit weird, but anyway http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/tags/panucci/ |
| 18:42.05 | Milo- | luke-jr I know |
| 18:42.05 | Milo- | ... |
| 18:42.58 | Lumpio- | oo, hm |
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| 18:43.04 | Lumpio- | I guess that could work |
| 18:43.25 | Lumpio- | Just need to configure the split properly (not really used to them in irssi) |
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| 18:43.33 | Myrtti | /w new split |
| 18:43.39 | Lumpio- | I wonder if bitlbee does file transfers yet |
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| 18:43.48 | Myrtti | then just move the window you want with /window move up to the upper split |
| 18:43.55 | Lumpio- | hmm |
| 18:44.00 | Myrtti | /save and /layout save and tadah |
| 18:44.26 | Myrtti | I also have couple of nifty scripts that put stuff on my statusbar |
| 18:44.49 | Myrtti | but yeah, this is how I roll |
| 18:44.57 | Myrtti | have since 200... er, 2005 |
| 18:45.02 | Myrtti | oh god I feel old |
| 18:45.11 | Arif_ | how old? ;P |
| 18:45.40 | Myrtti | considering it's approximately 14-15 years since I started using IRC... very old |
| 18:45.55 | Arif_ | wow |
| 18:45.55 | Lumpio- | My oldest IRC logs are from 2001 I think... |
| 18:45.56 | dassu | Oh |
| 18:45.58 | Arif_ | you ARE old! |
| 18:46.06 | dassu | Arif_: like 5 years after the release date |
| 18:46.07 | Lumpio- | I wish I was born earlier :( |
| 18:46.08 | dassu | :O |
| 18:46.09 | Myrtti | yeah, I turn 30 this year. |
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| 18:46.22 | dassu | :) Oke |
| 18:46.31 | dassu | Myrtti: Are you going to throw a party or what? |
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| 18:46.51 | andre__ | anybody knows how to debug the fact that my SIM card does not allow data roaming? I can imagine that it's a provider issue, but still... |
| 18:47.00 | Myrtti | dassu: nah, I don't want to get wrinkle cream and I've got plenty of knitting pins and yarn already |
| 18:47.07 | lcuk | Myrtti, which country will you be in on birthday |
| 18:47.13 | Myrtti | lcuk: I have no idea |
| 18:47.15 | lcuk | cos if you are in uk you can have a tea party |
| 18:47.28 | Arif_ | and a weed party in .nl? |
| 18:47.30 | dassu | :D tea party seems gay |
| 18:47.34 | dassu | *sounds |
| 18:47.40 | Myrtti | dassu: and what's wrong with that? |
| 18:47.47 | dassu | But most likely the only parties I will ever attend :( |
| 18:48.00 | dassu | Myrtti: Well. No music and people dancing |
| 18:48.02 | Myrtti | dreams of a nice cup of tea, scones, clotted cream, strawberry jam... |
| 18:48.04 | Myrtti | mmm |
| 18:48.05 | Myrtti | nom |
| 18:48.07 | Arif_ | andre__, my Turkcell sim doesn't even allow cell calls outside Turkey ;o |
| 18:48.08 | Myrtti | tea parties ⥠|
| 18:48.17 | lcuk | dassu, Myrtti is fem |
| 18:48.31 | dassu | orly? |
| 18:48.31 | lcuk | ladies are allowed to have them |
| 18:48.37 | Arif_ | you put jam in your tea? |
| 18:48.42 | Myrtti | Arif_: on the scone |
| 18:48.51 | Myrtti | Arif_: apparently russians put jam in their tea |
| 18:49.03 | Arif_ | I prefer Turkish tea |
| 18:49.07 | Arif_ | o.o |
| 18:49.09 | andre__ | Arif_, uhm :-( Calls mostly work. Still I wonder if I can get some output... currently it simply silently fails... |
| 18:49.16 | andre__ | which is also shitty from a user POV |
| 18:50.00 | Arif_ | some providers here in .nl let you enable/disable roaming, more than that I don't know though :( |
| 18:51.09 | Myrtti | searches for the most cliche screenshot of her collection http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2846509938 |
| 18:51.31 | Myrtti | no, that doesn't have pink bliss in my emacs yet |
| 18:51.34 | Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2856684660 |
| 18:51.37 | Myrtti | there you go |
| 18:52.10 | Arif_ | too much pink :P |
| 18:52.15 | cos^ | lcuk: you should say because instead of cos, cos it's proper english |
| 18:52.32 | cos^ | and doesn't cause highlights |
| 18:53.21 | RST38h | Myrtti: Purple! Ponies! |
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| 18:55.53 | Myrtti | anyway |
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| 18:57.27 | lcuk | lol sorry cos^ |
| 18:57.31 | lcuk | i didnt realise you were lurking |
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| 18:57.59 | Myrtti | was watching #ubuntu the other day and there was a guy that abbreviated bloody everything |
| 18:58.14 | cos^ | :) |
| 18:58.29 | Arif_ | hy hw ru? |
| 18:58.31 | Myrtti | I had to think for three minutes what he meant with s. a. install emacs |
| 18:58.41 | cos^ | i wonder why irssi doesn't require ^ for highlight |
| 18:59.05 | lcuk | cos you probably set cos as a specific highlight |
| 18:59.11 | lcuk | like i have bacon tagged |
| 18:59.17 | Myrtti | I've got pink |
| 18:59.27 | Arif_ | notes this down for later |
| 18:59.38 | lcuk | speaking of which Myrtti i have a pink case |
| 18:59.39 | Arif_ | so if i say pink bacon.... |
| 18:59.40 | Myrtti | a friend of mine has marmite |
| 18:59.43 | lcuk | just nothing to go inside it |
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| 19:02.42 | w00t | lcuk: ...pink? |
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| 19:03.26 | lcuk | w00t, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HOT-PINK-HYBRID-HARD-COVER-RUBBER-CASE-FOR-NOKIA-N900_W0QQitemZ150394071202QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item23042f68a2 |
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| 19:03.34 | lcuk | is for tracy |
| 19:03.44 | w00t | LOL |
| 19:03.49 | w00t | i want one |
| 19:03.51 | lcuk | waiting for something to fill it tho :) |
| 19:03.52 | Arif_ | ehm |
| 19:03.54 | Arif_ | eww |
| 19:04.00 | w00t | will buy one! |
| 19:04.16 | Arif_ | stays away from w00t |
| 19:04.17 | Arif_ | :P |
| 19:04.39 | Myrtti | I'll prolly knit my own |
| 19:04.50 | Myrtti | I've been planning to knit one for my N800 for a year now |
| 19:05.16 | Arif_ | why don't you make a pink case for it instead? |
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| 19:05.40 | Myrtti | Arif_: yarn comes in multiple colours, dear. |
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| 19:06.06 | Arif_ | paint your case different colors! |
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| 19:15.03 | corecode | so there seem to be two adblock plus packages |
| 19:15.15 | corecode | one from browser-extras, one from maemo-extras |
| 19:15.22 | corecode | what's up with that? |
| 19:15.32 | corecode | also only one of them seems to work |
| 19:20.04 | mtd | corecode: which one? |
| 19:20.13 | corecode | if i knew |
| 19:20.20 | corecode | i don't even know how to test |
| 19:20.27 | corecode | which page has ads? |
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| 19:24.11 | shinkamui | jeebus |
| 19:24.14 | shinkamui | my phone is running slow |
| 19:24.32 | corecode | yea |
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| 19:24.54 | corecode | did anybody succeed in sharing passwords between desktop firefox and microb? |
| 19:25.03 | corecode | i copied the sqlite db, but didn't seem to work |
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| 19:30.01 | corecode | oh wow |
| 19:30.11 | corecode | my catalogs just all disappeared :/ |
| 19:30.11 | Myrtti | kicks google mail |
| 19:30.53 | corecode | gah. sources.list is empty |
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| 19:35.30 | ShadowJK | /etc/apt/sources.list is supposed to be empty |
| 19:35.36 | corecode | yea |
| 19:35.38 | corecode | i just noticed |
| 19:35.43 | corecode | did an apt-get update manually |
| 19:35.57 | corecode | somehow the database was corrupted |
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| 19:37.01 | corecode | seems you have to restart browser a couple times |
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| 19:59.55 | Shapeshifter | Where should I report bugs for the libalarm python bindings? |
| 20:00.37 | baraujo | Shapeshifter, https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo |
| 20:00.39 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5477704/when-its-okay-to-pay-for-an-app |
| 20:00.43 | Shapeshifter | baraujo: thanks |
| 20:00.46 | RST38h | What is going on there anyway? |
| 20:00.58 | RST38h | Why is everyone so eager to be present in Apple AppStore? |
| 20:04.23 | Arif_ | RST38h, another fart app? |
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| 20:10.17 | Shapeshifter | poor lizardo |
| 20:10.28 | Shapeshifter | receives so many python bugs |
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| 20:10.54 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: I'm just the default assignee :P (must be a real user...) |
| 20:11.15 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: ;) |
| 20:12.00 | Shapeshifter | Does anyone by any chance know a guide how to generally submit bugs? I think I already know the code problem to this one https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9277 |
| 20:12.01 | povbot | Bug 9277: can't action.set_dbus_args() because of bug in alarm.pyx (line 191) |
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| 20:21.01 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: I didn't understand the question |
| 20:21.40 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: the fix is obvious as you said, so we will fix it ASAP :) |
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| 20:23.18 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: thanks :) I'm having a hard time finding out where on the device alarm.pyx is stored even. It obviously aint /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages. I tried looking in /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib and using find but I can't find it. |
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| 20:23.48 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: it is a source file for cython (a binding generation tool) |
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| 20:24.01 | lizardo | Shapeshifter: you will not find it on the device, only on the sources |
| 20:24.07 | villager | cython is more than a binding generation tool |
| 20:24.09 | Shapeshifter | lizardo: ohh okay. |
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| 20:26.01 | villager | you can write full python extensions in cython, maybe even write your whole program if you want |
| 20:27.01 | lizardo | villager: sure, but in this case it is being used as a binding generatio tool (that's what I meant :) |
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| 20:27.11 | villager | I've used cython to speed up some core parts of one of my python programs |
| 20:32.12 | Shapeshifter | btw; does someone know what I need to set for libalarm to have an infinite number of recurrences? I can set event.recurrences_left to something > 0 and it will work fine for that number of times, but if I set it to 0 it will raise and error "alarm_event_is_sane: recurrence_cnt > 0 and recur_count = 0" |
| 20:32.48 | SpeedEvil | set it to 2^32-1? |
| 20:33.08 | Shapeshifter | I'll certainly live longer than that, har har |
| 20:33.56 | corecode | is there a zsh pkg? |
| 20:34.15 | Shapeshifter | corecode: I think not. |
| 20:34.41 | RST38h | "...shows a high amount of wear with several unidentified teeth marks, presumably made by children." |
| 20:35.14 | SpeedEvil | barbie? |
| 20:37.42 | corecode | hm |
| 20:37.49 | corecode | copying signons.sqlite doesn't seem to work |
| 20:37.52 | corecode | :/ |
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| 20:39.31 | rendar | maemo is debian with X-window system, so a normal application written in Xlib should work in maemo, or not?! |
| 20:39.55 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I thought it was http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology.paleo/browse_thread/thread/51c00ccac90d7905/56108578cd3411d7?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=barbie+hominid#56108578cd3411d7 |
| 20:39.56 | villager | Shapeshifter: I think the official way is to set it to -1 |
| 20:40.07 | villager | Shapeshifter: at least my code does... |
| 20:40.29 | villager | I think I got it from some example |
| 20:42.20 | Shapeshifter | villager: ahh, thanks. |
| 20:42.48 | RST38h | S[eed: oh yeeaaaah |
| 20:43.01 | villager | hmm yes, the libalarm docs do say -1 = infinite |
| 20:43.34 | SpeedEvil | there have been good debrided corpse studies on that |
| 20:43.36 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 20:46.58 | villager | yuck |
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| 20:47.31 | rendar | hey, anyone can reply to me? |
| 20:47.44 | jacekowski | can anybody recommend good small BT keyboard that works with n900 |
| 20:47.45 | shinkamui | rendar |
| 20:47.46 | shinkamui | hi |
| 20:47.50 | jacekowski | i was thinking about mac keyboard |
| 20:47.56 | rendar | hi shinkamui :) |
| 20:48.12 | Arif_ | jacekowski, dealextreme? |
| 20:48.20 | jacekowski | UK |
| 20:48.28 | shinkamui | man, I love me some dealextreme stuff |
| 20:48.29 | Arif_ | dealextreme ships to UK :P |
| 20:48.31 | shinkamui | dirt cheap |
| 20:48.37 | corecode | is armel little or big endian? |
| 20:48.43 | jacekowski | corecode: el |
| 20:48.44 | shinkamui | unfortunately they wont ship lasers into the US |
| 20:48.49 | corecode | what is el? |
| 20:48.51 | shinkamui | we have some gay law about lasers that can cut paper |
| 20:48.51 | jacekowski | corecode: endianess little |
| 20:48.54 | corecode | ah |
| 20:49.01 | corecode | could also mean embedded linux :) |
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| 20:49.27 | Arif_ | I have one of those green lasers that pop balloons |
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| 20:50.42 | corecode | post good dx links |
| 20:50.55 | Arif_ | go browse it :P |
| 20:50.59 | corecode | haha |
| 20:51.00 | corecode | forever |
| 20:51.14 | corecode | yeeeeey! |
| 20:51.14 | shinkamui | I bought a blueray laser that is supposed to be able to burn dark paper |
| 20:51.15 | corecode | it worked |
| 20:51.31 | Arif_ | what did? |
| 20:51.35 | shinkamui | the two cr2 batteries only last about 8 minutes |
| 20:51.45 | corecode | if you copy signons.sqlite and key3.db from .mozilla/firefox/* to maemo's .mozilla/microb |
| 20:51.48 | shinkamui | never burned anything |
| 20:51.49 | corecode | you will have all auth info |
| 20:51.53 | shinkamui | but the beam is visible in daylight |
| 20:51.55 | Arif_ | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16685 |
| 20:51.56 | Arif_ | ! |
| 20:52.35 | ShadowJK | you know maemo5 doesn't support bluetooth keyboards out of the box, right? |
| 20:52.45 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: afaik it does |
| 20:52.47 | Arif_ | now I do |
| 20:52.51 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: it doesn't support apple keyboard |
| 20:52.54 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 20:52.59 | corecode | should i write about this spectacular finding somewhere? |
| 20:53.00 | corecode | talks? |
| 20:53.04 | corecode | is there a better place? |
| 20:53.04 | jacekowski | but standard bluetooth keybaords are supported ootb |
| 20:53.06 | Arif_ | Apple sucks |
| 20:53.08 | ShadowJK | it should be simple to enable it though |
| 20:53.26 | ShadowJK | enable for normal bluetooth keyboards if they arent supported ootb |
| 20:53.42 | jacekowski | it's simple to enable apple keyboards as well |
| 20:53.51 | jacekowski | you just need to add kernel module |
| 20:53.54 | Arif_ | I don't want to buy a 20⬠keyboard for 80⬠with an ugly half eaten apple picture on it |
| 20:53.55 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 20:53.57 | RST38h | oh really? |
| 20:54.04 | RST38h | what kernel module? |
| 20:54.22 | jacekowski | Arif_: apple keyboard have one advantage over other keyboards i've seen, it's more robust and it's smaller |
| 20:54.30 | jacekowski | RST38h: apple-hid |
| 20:54.42 | Arif_ | nothing from DX is robust |
| 20:54.49 | RST38h | how is it different from normal hid btw? |
| 20:55.03 | ml-mobile | Arif_: It's only $20 if there's an equal one for that price... |
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| 20:55.34 | Arif_ | RST38h, it will refuse to work on non apple devices :P |
| 20:55.41 | Arif_ | unless you leethax it |
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| 20:58.19 | RST38h | sighs |
| 20:58.25 | SpeedEvil | is using a screen protector from dx, has a lighter from dx on his keyring, and is typing through a usb-ps2 converter from there. Oh - and the 1G sd in my n900 is from there too. |
| 20:58.40 | RST38h | so, to understand better, still no end-user ready .deb package to make the eivl apple kbd work? |
| 20:59.13 | Arif_ | SpeedEvil, I have serveral card readers, lasers, lighters, flashlights and whatnot from there |
| 20:59.14 | Arif_ | :D |
| 20:59.33 | Arif_ | only bad experience I had was with an FM transmitter which was bad |
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| 21:00.54 | Kegetys | I have quite a bit of dx stuff as well, usb chargers, bluetooth mice, photography stuff, laser, etc. etc. most of it is excelent for the price |
| 21:01.09 | Arif_ | oh right |
| 21:01.14 | Arif_ | I have tons of cables from DX! |
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| 21:01.48 | mrmg | o/ |
| 21:01.57 | Arif_ | too bad it takes 4 years for items to ship XD |
| 21:02.07 | Arif_ | throws DX packaging at mrmg |
| 21:02.47 | HuuGo | does mouse work well with N900? |
| 21:03.25 | mrmg | drops it as he wasn't expecting the pass |
| 21:03.49 | ShadowJK | ime things that are "immediately" ship fairly quickly |
| 21:03.54 | ShadowJK | everything else is pure chance |
| 21:03.56 | pupnik_ | HuuGo: i use pc mouse with n900 via synergy |
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| 21:04.49 | HuuGo | pupnik: someone told me pointer jumps from one edge to another |
| 21:06.28 | Arif_ | how exactly do you use a mouse on the N900? |
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| 21:07.21 | pupnik_ | HuuGo: smooth here |
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| 21:07.59 | pupnik_ | install synergy on pc and n900. set up config. then when you move mouse over edge of screen it appears on n900 |
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| 21:08.33 | Arif_ | no I meant |
| 21:08.35 | Arif_ | what use is it? |
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| 21:08.46 | Arif_ | do you get a pointer on the N900 screen? |
| 21:08.52 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 21:09.15 | mrmg | I didn't get a pointer. :-( |
| 21:09.21 | Arif_ | aw |
| 21:09.30 | Arif_ | you just click randomly untill you get where you are ? :D |
| 21:09.56 | pupnik_ | mrmg: need to swap a real pointer for the n900s blank pointer |
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| 21:10.58 | mrmg | pupnik_: where do I do that? |
| 21:11.43 | pupnik_ | you got synergy set up? |
| 21:11.46 | Take0n | hello, is the source code of maemo which runs in Nokia N900 available somewhere? |
| 21:12.00 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 21:12.29 | Take0n | where? |
| 21:12.32 | mrmg | pupnik_: yeah |
| 21:12.50 | pupnik_ | alright i am cooking .. will find in a bit |
| 21:13.25 | mrmg | ty |
| 21:13.30 | ml-mobile | maemo.gitorious.org |
| 21:15.28 | ShadowJK | Take0n, there open components and closed components |
| 21:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the nasty thing is you obviously can't stop cam from kicking in when slider opens, as that's mce and preloaded cma app, or so I'm told |
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| 21:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | also I have no idea how to "start" cam in still / video mode forced |
| 21:18.00 | Take0n | I read recently about a linux port to Sonyericsson X1 and try to understand how it was done.. I have a nokia N97 which runs symbian but should be able to boot linux, at least without X.. but don't know how it works so wanted to take a look at the source code of maemo :P |
| 21:18.29 | Take0n | hopefully I will still have a phone tomorrow |
| 21:18.29 | Arif_ | You got an N97? |
| 21:18.31 | Arif_ | poor you ;p |
| 21:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | s/cma/cam |
| 21:18.36 | Take0n | yeah I know :P |
| 21:18.54 | ShadowJK | Take0n, on N97 the biggest problem is figuring out how to flash something on there, and how to get the bootloader to load a linux kernel |
| 21:18.54 | Arif_ | S60v5 needs moar coreplayer |
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| 21:18.58 | ShadowJK | So far nobody has figured it out |
| 21:19.29 | Arif_ | you should wait for Symbian^3 and ^4 and play around with the source |
| 21:19.30 | Arif_ | ;p |
| 21:19.44 | ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture <- Even on Maemo Devices, the bootloader (nolo) and flasher are closed source components :) |
| 21:19.52 | corecode | DocScrutinizer: yea, i keep having that issue with mbarcode |
| 21:20.12 | ShadowJK | And on Maemo Devices we've of course got the bootloader setup to boot our kernel, and the flasher (available for both win and lin) knows how to flash a new kernel of our choice.. |
| 21:20.30 | Take0n | but isn't it possible to somehow move the bootloader? :P |
| 21:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | corecode: yup. SpeedEvil and me talkinfg bout flashlight improvement, but same problem basically |
| 21:20.50 | Take0n | I am trying to find tutorials or manuals on how such ports are being done.. |
| 21:21.12 | corecode | DocScrutinizer: although the camera app just closes |
| 21:21.18 | Take0n | Arif_, I know.. I still wait for a 5th ed coreplayer release.. :\ |
| 21:21.23 | Kegetys | is there some way to right click in dosbox on n900 |
| 21:21.37 | Arif_ | Take0n, that was the ONLY reason I held back on buying an N97 |
| 21:22.02 | Arif_ | must listen to internet radio ! |
| 21:22.19 | Take0n | Arif_, I read that it could play HD videos etc so I assumed (how stupid could I be) that it should actually play them.. |
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| 21:22.24 | Take0n | but.. it doesnt |
| 21:22.31 | Arif_ | it does |
| 21:22.42 | Arif_ | on the N95 at least |
| 21:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'm pondering to completely RE that piece of sh** called mce |
| 21:23.32 | pupnik | did you already swap the blank x pointer mrmg |
| 21:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | just too many hardcoded things in there |
| 21:24.01 | Take0n | Kegetys, should be.. I was able to do it with my N95 running win95 |
| 21:24.06 | Take0n | if that's what you mean |
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| 21:24.49 | Take0n | ShadowJK, thanks, at least I know what to look for |
| 21:25.34 | pupnik | mrmg: take a visible x-pointer and swap it in for /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp then open browser and go to a site with flash. x-pointer will appear |
| 21:25.37 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 21:25.39 | Arif_ | I feel stupid again |
| 21:25.44 | Arif_ | I can't find where I can see how much data I've used |
| 21:25.46 | Arif_ | :( |
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| 21:26.16 | jo-erlend_ | du -h? |
| 21:26.38 | pupnik | Arif_: used in communicating over wireless, or used in internal flash? |
| 21:27.07 | Arif_ | over 3G/wifi |
| 21:27.21 | jo-erlend_ | oh. |
| 21:27.45 | Sunkan85 | anyone here that have installed showtime? |
| 21:28.29 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.48 | ShadowJK | Arif_, Settings -> Phone -> Data Counter gives you the 3g figures atleast |
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| 21:29.04 | Arif_ | ha, I was looking in settings>internet connections |
| 21:29.20 | Arif_ | still used to symbian :) |
| 21:29.28 | pupnik | i would like that data counter to reset every month |
| 21:29.30 | Arif_ | thanks guys :D |
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| 21:30.19 | xorAxAx | hmm, any idea why my init.d script is not picked up? |
| 21:30.27 | xorAxAx | it is symlinked in rc2* |
| 21:30.30 | Arif_ | Received: ~5.3GB |
| 21:30.33 | Arif_ | Sentri: 500MB |
| 21:30.39 | Arif_ | Sent* |
| 21:30.50 | Arif_ | not bad for about two weeks |
| 21:31.00 | Arif_ | and that's only over 3G! |
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| 21:31.05 | ShadowJK | I have 17gigs since december.. |
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| 21:31.24 | corecode | woah |
| 21:31.25 | Arif_ | I guess we both use a lot of data =} |
| 21:32.06 | Take0n | how to you pronounce "maemo"? |
| 21:32.18 | pupnik | wow Arif_. My total since november is 550MB |
| 21:32.23 | jo-erlend_ | Mæmo? :) |
| 21:32.33 | Arif_ | pupnik, do you have a cap? |
| 21:32.35 | Take0n | so it is Me i mo ? |
| 21:32.48 | ShadowJK | says it ma e mo |
| 21:32.56 | corecode | mämo |
| 21:33.00 | corecode | i'd say |
| 21:33.03 | Arif_ | moomo? |
| 21:33.03 | jo-erlend_ | mæmo! |
| 21:33.10 | pupnik | MAH-eh-mo |
| 21:33.23 | corecode | 12.5/70.3 MB |
| 21:33.25 | corecode | combined |
| 21:33.25 | pupnik | Arif_: 500MB/month |
| 21:33.25 | Take0n | mE i mo or mA e mo? |
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| 21:33.26 | corecode | that's okay |
| 21:33.27 | Take0n | :P |
| 21:33.31 | corecode | i have a 1GB cap |
| 21:33.42 | jo-erlend_ | Take0n, that. "æ" is pronouced like the a in "that", only longer. |
| 21:33.42 | corecode | tho sip via 3g doesn't seem to work 100% |
| 21:33.43 | Arif_ | I get slowed down after 2GB of use |
| 21:33.49 | corecode | äääää |
| 21:34.05 | corecode | Arif_: where are you? |
| 21:34.09 | Arif_ | but that doesn't stop me from streaming videos and radio :D |
| 21:34.16 | Arif_ | Netherlands |
| 21:34.19 | Take0n | and the "e" like e in "they"? |
| 21:34.53 | Arif_ | There's only one provider here (TMobile) with unlimited data usage |
| 21:34.54 | jo-erlend_ | Take0n, no, the a and e, combined, makes "Ã", which itself is pronouced like the "a" in "that", only longer. |
| 21:34.57 | microlith | mmm |
| 21:35.06 | Take0n | oh ok |
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| 21:35.09 | Take0n | thanks |
| 21:35.13 | jo-erlend_ | Take0n, that is, in Norwegian :> |
| 21:35.30 | Arif_ | jo-erlend_, like a sheep? :P |
| 21:35.30 | jo-erlend_ | how do you pronounce maelstrom? |
| 21:35.35 | microlith | looks like Ovi's billing system shares info with the rest of Nokia's failure of a billing system |
| 21:35.35 | Take0n | which should be almost the same in swedish? :P |
| 21:35.37 | jo-erlend_ | Arif_, pardon? |
| 21:35.45 | Arif_ | the ae symbol |
| 21:35.47 | microlith | always fun to get a "card rejected" notice |
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| 21:35.49 | Arif_ | :) |
| 21:35.50 | jo-erlend_ | Take0n, they don't have that letter, but the sound is similar, yes. |
| 21:36.01 | Take0n | got it |
| 21:36.24 | Take0n | =) |
| 21:36.39 | jo-erlend_ | the swedes uses ä when we use æ. |
| 21:36.55 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 21:37.01 | Arif_ | Ovi put the sharing plugins at the top again |
| 21:37.18 | Arif_ | Add some new apps you lazy Fins! |
| 21:37.47 | jaska | fish have fins |
| 21:38.37 | Arif_ | Finns then? |
| 21:39.24 | juhovh | putting applications to ovi store is a pain in the ass |
| 21:39.28 | juhovh | because of the signing requirement |
| 21:39.45 | Arif_ | Moomo has signing too? |
| 21:40.01 | Arif_ | didn't know that... |
| 21:40.08 | juhovh | hmm, probably didn't :P |
| 21:41.20 | microlith | hmm |
| 21:41.39 | microlith | nokia's cutting out billing quick, not even a temporary charge on my card |
| 21:42.31 | DangerMaus | billing? |
| 21:43.45 | Arif_ | whut? |
| 21:44.19 | ShadowJK | Arif_, DangerMaus: you're observing the results of someone attempting to use ovi store |
| 21:44.34 | dassu | what command do you guys use for the addgroup |
| 21:44.35 | Arif_ | I'd try to use ovi store too |
| 21:44.42 | Arif_ | there's one little problem though |
| 21:45.11 | DangerMaus | ahhh... |
| 21:45.26 | Arif_ | dassu, group? :o |
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| 21:45.53 | dassu | groupadd |
| 21:45.58 | dassu | I c |
| 21:46.11 | dassu | otherway around |
| 21:47.23 | lupine_85 | so is it reasonably easy to flash one's own kernel? |
| 21:47.32 | lupine_85 | i find myself missing ipv6 |
| 21:47.49 | DangerMaus | heh |
| 21:48.57 | ShadowJK | the flashing utility can flash just the kernel |
| 21:49.38 | corecode | anybody have an integrated note-taking/sychronization thing for desktop+maemo? |
| 21:49.38 | pupnik | 'counterintelligence' is an unintended joke, isn't it |
| 21:52.22 | Arif_ | yawns |
| 21:52.23 | lupine_85 | well, i suspect busybox will need recompiling too |
| 21:52.46 | lupine_85 | had the same issue on my adsl modem! |
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| 21:53.47 | lupine_85 | is it so hard for people to provide ipv6 as a module in the default kernel, and compile support into iuserspace? :( |
| 21:54.27 | SpeedEvil | why ipv6? |
| 21:54.43 | jysky | eh? why not? |
| 21:55.03 | dassu | woot got the sshfs to work |
| 21:55.23 | SpeedEvil | I'm just wondering why you're missing it. |
| 21:56.00 | lupine_85 | so one can do mobile ipv6 |
| 21:56.13 | lupine_85 | which is kind of good for a mobile device |
| 21:56.29 | lupine_85 | but ip6 in general is relevant /now/ |
| 21:56.35 | villager | do the telcos support it? |
| 21:57.05 | DaveQB | luke-jr yep, flashing my phone fixed that issue. A damn PITA though |
| 21:57.12 | luke-jr | ..... |
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| 21:59.31 | lupine_85 | villager, the last mile are the only real stopouts |
| 21:59.52 | ShadowJK | Nokia is a big supported of IPv6 too |
| 21:59.57 | SpeedEvil | I'm doing something stupid, but I'mnot sure what. From laptop. ssh root@phone - works fine with key. ssh user@phone requires me to login. cp /root/.ssh/* to ~user/.ssh/ - and still broken. |
| 22:00.00 | ShadowJK | for battery saving reasons :) |
| 22:00.06 | SpeedEvil | thoughts? |
| 22:00.12 | lupine_85 | us cable has the excuse that docsis 2 gets in the way; everyone else is stalling |
| 22:00.20 | SpeedEvil | user has a password set |
| 22:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | dassu: interesting. Any tips? |
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| 22:00.31 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, ssh is picky about ownership and permissions on ~/.ssh and the contents |
| 22:00.42 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: not it |
| 22:00.46 | lupine_85 | yum, good hotel food |
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| 22:01.01 | SpeedEvil | perms 600, owned by user,users |
| 22:01.41 | SpeedEvil | perm of .ssh is 700 - same as /root/.ssh |
| 22:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: check .ssh and aithkey for 600 |
| 22:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | authorized keys as well |
| 22:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | also check owner |
| 22:02.17 | dassu | DocScrutinizer: it is in the testing but you need to install it through cmdline |
| 22:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | dassu: thanks |
| 22:03.43 | SpeedEvil | perms are as in http://pastebin.ca/1810831 - which look identical to me between root and user |
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| 22:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no idea :-/ |
| 22:07.31 | Arif_ | oh |
| 22:07.38 | Arif_ | Nokia is coming out with another DVBH phone |
| 22:07.43 | Arif_ | .......who the hell uses DVBH? |
| 22:09.15 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 22:09.54 | SpeedEvil | sshd is opening - the identical - ~/.ssh/authorised_keys - files - in each case - user and root - and demanding password for user |
| 22:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | drwx------ 2 user users 4096 Feb 25 13:03 /home/user/.ssh |
| 22:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | -rw------- 1 user users 1115 Feb 25 13:03 /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 22:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | works here |
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| 22:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you have a password for user? |
| 22:11.31 | t-tan | SpeedEvil: did you replace the "user:!" with * in /etc/passwd? |
| 22:12.15 | t-tan | lupine_85: install the kernel-flasher-maemo from extras-devel |
| 22:13.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer yes |
| 22:13.33 | SpeedEvil | user:zE1Llofish5R.:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh |
| 22:13.38 | SpeedEvil | t-tan: |
| 22:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, somebody reported this afternoon "!" in etc/passwd doesn't work with ssh |
| 22:13.44 | SpeedEvil | is puzzled. |
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| 22:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 22:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sorry, check your IP |
| 22:14.16 | t-tan | sure. "!" means disable login |
| 22:14.40 | SpeedEvil | ip? |
| 22:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | I assume you're ssh to the N900 via IP |
| 22:15.06 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:15.21 | SpeedEvil | ssh to root@phone works. no password needed - key logs me in. |
| 22:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | I frequently get puzzled by my AProuter mixing up the DHCP IPs |
| 22:15.50 | SpeedEvil | ssh to user@phone sshd reads /home/user/.ssh/.authorized_keys - and ssh asks for password |
| 22:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | can you log in with correct password? |
| 22:17.31 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | then I'm completely out of ideas |
| 22:17.58 | lupine_85 | is the pubkey in authorized_keys2 ? |
| 22:18.05 | lupine_85 | erm, fingerprint |
| 22:18.30 | SpeedEvil | lupine_85: I've copied roots ~/.ssh directory totally, after blowing away the old copt |
| 22:18.32 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 22:18.35 | t-tan | what are the permissions of /home/user ? |
| 22:19.00 | SpeedEvil | 777 |
| 22:19.02 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 22:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | perms of home/user shouldn't matter |
| 22:19.21 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't have thought so either |
| 22:19.34 | t-tan | AFAIK 777 didn't work me once |
| 22:19.38 | t-tan | try 755 |
| 22:20.08 | t-tan | my /home/user is 755, by default |
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| 22:20.36 | SpeedEvil | hugs t-tan. |
| 22:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | here as well |
| 22:20.40 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 22:20.59 | SpeedEvil | Some message as to why it was dissalowing'd have been nice. |
| 22:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | YEP |
| 22:21.15 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't think perms on ~ would have mattered. |
| 22:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart ssh |
| 22:21.20 | infobot | raises middle finger to ssh |
| 22:21.41 | t-tan | sure. it makes sense. otherwise someone else could replace your .ssh |
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| 22:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | wait, what did you say was perms of your .ssh ? |
| 22:22.01 | ShadowJK | pats pats ssh |
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| 22:22.40 | SpeedEvil | t-tan: I suppose so |
| 22:22.48 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no - ~ |
| 22:22.56 | ShadowJK | good somebody is doing a crusade against chmod 777 user |
| 22:23.33 | SpeedEvil | I'm about 40% sure it started after installing the nokia survey app. |
| 22:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm completely missing the rationale about disallowing 777 on *destination* system ~ |
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| 22:24.54 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I think the rationale is if ~ is 777, you can't trust ~/.ssh |
| 22:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | at least if .ssh is correctly set to 500 |
| 22:25.26 | SpeedEvil | But if ~ is 777, can't the attacker also set it to 755 |
| 22:25.28 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 22:26.16 | satmd | no. |
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| 22:26.38 | satmd | iirc, chmod still is limited to owner |
| 22:26.43 | satmd | tests |
| 22:26.44 | DavidSev | if ~ is 777 they can just delete and recreate .ssh? |
| 22:26.47 | t-tan | only anarchists set 777. the don't a secure shell anyway :D |
| 22:27.04 | SpeedEvil | IIRC chown isn't though |
| 22:27.12 | SpeedEvil | so you can chmod it then chown it |
| 22:27.14 | t-tan | s/the don't/they don't need/ |
| 22:27.19 | satmd | I tried |
| 22:27.28 | satmd | neither chown nor chmod worked on the file |
| 22:27.34 | satmd | if I wasn't the owner |
| 22:27.45 | satmd | and I wasn't able to change the owner either |
| 22:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-25 23:21:56] <DocScrutinizer> wait, what did you say was perms of your .ssh ? |
| 22:28.01 | satmd | still... never ever do 777 |
| 22:28.04 | SpeedEvil | .ssh had the right perms |
| 22:28.05 | satmd | no exceptions |
| 22:28.13 | SpeedEvil | I'm about 50% sure I never did 777 |
| 22:28.17 | satmd | .ssh should be 0700 |
| 22:28.28 | DavidSev | yeah, with ~ 777 anyone can delete .ssh and remake it |
| 22:28.32 | SpeedEvil | wonders if any postinstall scripts are around. |
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| 22:30.19 | Arif_ | hmmm |
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| 22:32.30 | LuserN800 | from man sshd: .ssh: the recommended permissions are read/write/execute for the user, and not accessible by others |
| 22:33.06 | SpeedEvil | LuserN800: yes - it's not .ssh |
| 22:33.11 | SpeedEvil | LuserN800: it's ~ |
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| 22:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | yeah **recommended**, no word about mandatory, especially for authorized_keys. It even says low risk for that file |
| 22:35.18 | GAN900 | Jaffa, I should have time Sunday morning. |
| 22:35.23 | LuserN800 | SpeedEvil, well, if ~ is writable, then .ssh is erasable, accessible. or? |
| 22:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | still if you set authorized_keys 744 it won't work |
| 22:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:39.07 | satmd | .ssh 0700, the files within 0400 |
| 22:39.26 | satmd | and owner/group must match the account of the parent directory |
| 22:39.37 | LuserN800 | and there's a nice script that does the job, ssh-copy-id |
| 22:39.45 | satmd | 'recommended' is too weak, imho |
| 22:39.51 | satmd | *nod* |
| 22:40.19 | satmd | ~ should not be world-writable |
| 22:40.32 | satmd | and I doubt group-writable is a great idea |
| 22:40.39 | SpeedEvil | Okaay |
| 22:40.47 | SpeedEvil | reboot - and it's back at 777 |
| 22:41.06 | satmd | ? |
| 22:41.18 | satmd | ~? |
| 22:41.24 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:41.42 | satmd | maemo5/n900? or another device? |
| 22:41.51 | Take0n | good night folks |
| 22:41.55 | LuserN800 | grep -r chmod /etc :) |
| 22:42.03 | Take0n | or morning/day/evening :P |
| 22:42.04 | t-tan | did you install the first Maemo virus?? |
| 22:42.17 | SpeedEvil | LuserN800: doing that |
| 22:42.36 | Take0n | I will manage to port something :P |
| 22:42.40 | SpeedEvil | t-tan: I'm wondering if it's the nokia research tool thing that I've got installed. |
| 22:42.49 | Take0n | later |
| 22:43.16 | t-tan | SpeedEvil: where can I find that? |
| 22:43.17 | SpeedEvil | yes it is. |
| 22:43.20 | SpeedEvil | That's annoying. |
| 22:43.31 | satmd | report a bug, please |
| 22:43.41 | SpeedEvil | t-tan: I can't give it out I don't think |
| 22:44.07 | t-tan | ok, what does it "investigate"? |
| 22:44.30 | SpeedEvil | t-tan: It basically tracks every program launch, icon touch, call (anonymised, ...) |
| 22:45.16 | jacekowski | how to check what's consuming the most of batttery? |
| 22:45.28 | SpeedEvil | http://www.360meter.com/ |
| 22:45.35 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: powertop can be of use |
| 22:45.37 | SpeedEvil | as can top |
| 22:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: now THAT's nasty! |
| 22:47.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: well - there is a payment involved. |
| 22:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | no payment can rectify a chmod on ~ |
| 22:49.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm not doing anything I don't much care about the public knowing on a box I can drop in a puddle in the street. |
| 22:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: evidentally it's messing up your system, even unadvertedly and in a *very* braindamaged way |
| 22:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | and repeatedly |
| 22:52.25 | SpeedEvil | yes. I agree. |
| 22:52.35 | SpeedEvil | I however disagree about the no payment part. |
| 22:53.28 | SpeedEvil | Though I am annoyed it wasted my - and also your time. |
| 22:53.39 | Arif_ | hmmm |
| 22:53.52 | Arif_ | has anyone tried softvol in MPlayer? |
| 22:53.57 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:54.11 | Arif_ | is it supposed to have any effect on KMPlayer ? :P |
| 22:54.46 | SpeedEvil | softvol is basically an additional volume control in software that changes volume by simply not outputting the full range of values. |
| 22:55.10 | Arif_ | I'm trying to increase the volume in KMPlayer for streaming video |
| 22:56.04 | Arif_ | but I haven't succeeded yet :( |
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| 22:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | softvol is an attenuator, no booster |
| 22:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | 100% is max |
| 22:56.07 | SpeedEvil | you can use a compressor plugin |
| 22:56.42 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 22:56.50 | Arif_ | complaining seems easier than finding out what you're talking about :) |
| 22:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | compander is a volume regulator to increase or lower volume differences |
| 22:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | so in the non-limiting mode it could be used to e.g double the input volume at output |
| 22:59.30 | SpeedEvil | Arif_: do you mean that the stream is considerably fainter than maximum volume? |
| 22:59.43 | SpeedEvil | Arif_: or you're trying to make the maximum volume ouder. |
| 22:59.46 | SpeedEvil | louder |
| 22:59.54 | Arif_ | I'm trying to make the maximum volume louder |
| 23:00.04 | Arif_ | as it's not very useful for videos :( |
| 23:00.06 | Arif_ | or speech |
| 23:00.41 | SpeedEvil | you can make the difference between soft and loud output less, you cannot boost loud output |
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| 23:01.42 | Arif_ | doesn't know how though |
| 23:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | there's a physical limit in the speakers and amp |
| 23:02.21 | Arif_ | So basically my only option is to wait for an N9xx ? :) |
| 23:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | you can't get any louder than the maximum they support |
| 23:02.42 | SpeedEvil | http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/mplayer/sound.html |
| 23:02.48 | pupnik_ | i would prefer a low cpu, lower volume alternative to save battery |
| 23:03.09 | SpeedEvil | -aop list=volume:softclip |
| 23:03.11 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 23:03.13 | pupnik_ | in fact wou can play audio on N900 with half the cpu use of media player |
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| 23:03.50 | SpeedEvil | https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec |
| 23:03.53 | SpeedEvil | I wonder on |
| 23:03.54 | SpeedEvil | pupnik |
| 23:04.09 | Arif_ | haha |
| 23:04.15 | Arif_ | FF says the 2nd link is unsafe :) |
| 23:04.18 | Shapeshifter | can someone give me a hint hot to reset the data counter manually through gconf? (Apparently its gconf, someone said in here). I searched the gconf tree using gconftool -R / | grep -e "reset" -e "data" -e "count" but couldn't find anything relevant. Apparently I need to set the values to 0 and set the "last reset date" somewhere in there. |
| 23:04.35 | SpeedEvil | Arif_: ignore it |
| 23:04.48 | Pillum | is there a way to open urls with xchat? |
| 23:04.55 | shamus | yep |
| 23:04.57 | SpeedEvil | Piil |
| 23:04.59 | SpeedEvil | click em |
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| 23:05.03 | SpeedEvil | with a finger! |
| 23:05.09 | SpeedEvil | or your nose. |
| 23:05.17 | SpeedEvil | Or other pointed bits of integument. |
| 23:05.42 | Pillum | i clicked it with my finger and my nose, but nothing happened |
| 23:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | seems to me I need to click&hold for context menu |
| 23:05.58 | SpeedEvil | yeah - maybe you need to hold a moment |
| 23:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | then select "open in browser" |
| 23:06.08 | SpeedEvil | does the link go blue? |
| 23:06.19 | pupnik_ | hmm? just need a convenient way to do it. SpeedEvil which N900 free music/audio player would you most like to see have the battery saving option? |
| 23:06.26 | Pillum | mom, for testing: http://google.de |
| 23:06.32 | Pillum | nope |
| 23:06.36 | Arif_ | KMPlayer! |
| 23:06.40 | Pillum | its the same color as the text |
| 23:06.45 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: cat |
| 23:06.56 | Arif_ | its the only player I use outside the built in one =D |
| 23:07.00 | SpeedEvil | Pillum: where did you get your xchat? |
| 23:07.07 | SpeedEvil | and this is on the n900? |
| 23:07.22 | pupnik_ | Arif_: i could fix up kmplayer to do it most easily |
| 23:07.26 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: I question if the DSP couldn't do it at lower power. |
| 23:07.35 | SpeedEvil | mplayer would be as good. |
| 23:08.05 | pupnik_ | i'll do some tests tomorrow to be sure i am not BSing |
| 23:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | Pillum: click&hold for ~2sec. then select "Open Link in Browser" |
| 23:08.11 | Arif_ | :D |
| 23:08.26 | shamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.26 | shamus | Type the following inside of XChat: /set gui_url_mod 0 |
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| 23:08.32 | pupnik_ | nice link SpeedEvil -bookmarked |
| 23:10.17 | Pillum | my xchat is from extras |
| 23:11.07 | Pillum | oh it worked |
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| 23:11.56 | shamus | the set gui_url_mod worked? |
| 23:12.17 | Pillum | didnt worked the first time, cause the display is too small |
| 23:12.27 | Pillum | no not this |
| 23:12.33 | SpeedEvil1 | pupnik: when looking at CPU, it can be misleading. mplayer using 50% is much less power at 250MHz than 50 at 600% |
| 23:12.37 | Pillum | didnt tried this shamus |
| 23:12.46 | Pillum | but wait |
| 23:12.48 | shamus | ahhh |
| 23:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | shamus: it accepts command, but doesn't change url click behaviour. Neither 0 nor 1 |
| 23:13.04 | shamus | yah xchat can be a pain |
| 23:13.09 | shamus | odd |
| 23:13.22 | shamus | it dose in in the desktop built |
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| 23:15.54 | Shapeshifter | fiferboy: hey there; you told me that I could reset the data counter through gconf. I've been searching the gconf tree and google for a while now but I can't find the keys :| |
| 23:18.13 | Arif_ | aww |
| 23:18.15 | Shapeshifter | fiferboy: nevermind, I think I found them (searching for "tx" |
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| 23:18.28 | Arif_ | the N900 can't cope with KMPlayer running and doing other things |
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| 23:18.58 | fiferboy | Shapeshifter: Let me know if you need more info |
| 23:19.56 | Arif_ | pets Nokia |
| 23:20.04 | Shapeshifter | fiferboy: mhh, I found /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_rx_bytes and the same for gprs_tx_bytes, but I can't see where to set the last reset date... |
| 23:20.32 | Shapeshifter | maybe because I never reset it since I got the device... |
| 23:20.58 | fiferboy | Shapeshifter: It should be in that same area. I can't remember if it shows up before you do a reset. |
| 23:21.23 | Shapeshifter | fiferboy: if you have a device at hand, could you please have a look at gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS ? |
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| 23:22.30 | Pillum | there is a gprs_reset_to e |
| 23:22.34 | Pillum | time |
| 23:22.50 | Shapeshifter | Pillum: ah thanks, that must be it. not set on mine |
| 23:22.59 | Pillum | looks like time in seconds since 1970 |
| 23:23.05 | Shapeshifter | Pillum: brilliant, thanks |
| 23:23.31 | Pillum | np ;) |
| 23:23.36 | SpeedEvil | epoch fail. |
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| 23:25.05 | Pillum | i hate that limit, cause I cant set my parents correct birthday date |
| 23:25.20 | Pillum | thats so lame :( |
| 23:25.26 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 23:25.42 | Pillum | good night, sweetie ;) |
| 23:28.51 | ponyofdeath | hi im geting dpkg error processing wget (--configure) any ideas on how i can fix? |
| 23:30.34 | pupnik_ | what command are you issuing? |
| 23:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | set gprs_reset_time to the birthday of his parents? o.O |
| 23:32.18 | ponyofdeath | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:32.25 | ponyofdeath | after an apt-get update |
| 23:32.48 | ponyofdeath | seems its erroring out on post-install scripot returned error exit status 2 |
| 23:33.05 | ponyofdeath | i would dpkg --purge wget but i think thats a core package |
| 23:33.17 | ponyofdeath | used to download others :)\ |
| 23:33.51 | Pillum | DocScrutinizer: no :D but the calender works the same way ;) |
| 23:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get dist-upgrade is deprecated afaik |
| 23:34.18 | ponyofdeath | what should i use i mean it was upgrading stuff |
| 23:34.26 | Pillum | how can i autocomplete with xchat ? |
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| 23:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | Pillum: so you can't enter a event on the birth of your parents? |
| 23:34.54 | Pillum | yeah |
| 23:35.15 | Pillum | you got it ;) |
| 23:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | Pillum: use contacts, add field "birthday", then in calendar enable "special dates" or somesuch |
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| 23:35.55 | satmd | maemo5 has a calender type for dates |
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| 23:36.06 | satmd | type 'smart', you can only have one of that kind |
| 23:36.19 | satmd | it was enabled on mine by default |
| 23:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | smart, that's it. not special dates |
| 23:36.34 | satmd | supplements doc |
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| 23:37.00 | Pillum | im confused.... |
| 23:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | Pillum: ?? |
| 23:37.21 | satmd | with contacts, you can store a birthday |
| 23:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | Pillum: create a contact for your father |
| 23:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | create a new field, select "birthday" |
| 23:37.46 | Pillum | is it only possible with a contact? |
| 23:37.46 | satmd | the calendar app has several calenders, one of them is specially for contacts' birthdays |
| 23:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | enter your father's birthday |
| 23:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | in calendar it'll show up |
| 23:38.04 | satmd | no, but that'd be the most straightforward |
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| 23:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ mdbus2 -ls; then open cam slider... o.O |
| 23:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | actually dbus is *so much fun* |
| 23:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | especially without decent docs of all signals and methods |
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| 23:42.47 | Pillum | thanks for the tip with the calender |
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| 23:43.03 | Pillum | how can i use autocomplete with xchat |
| 23:43.10 | Pillum | there is no tab key :) |
| 23:43.18 | Wild_Doogy | click it? |
| 23:43.25 | Wild_Doogy | nevermind |
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| 23:44.10 | Wild_Doogy | I thought you meant like the autocomplete in the virtual keyboard. that one you have to click the rest of the word |
| 23:44.17 | pupnik_ | i have autocomplete in irssi with ctrl+i |
| 23:44.26 | Pillum | mdbus not found .... is this an optional app? |
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| 23:44.43 | Pillum | i just changed to xchat |
| 23:44.52 | Pillum | for the nice gui |
| 23:44.53 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: I set it to shift-rightarrow |
| 23:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | Pillum: shift-space is preferred by most people |
| 23:45.32 | pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: got any other good mappings for shift+arrows? |
| 23:45.45 | TriztN900 | how do you get user list in xchat? |
| 23:45.51 | pupnik_ | DBAC for some reason they give me those letters |
| 23:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: mark text? |
| 23:46.48 | SpeedEvil | www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf |
| 23:46.56 | pupnik_ | hmm. i could also use copy/paste on kbd |
| 23:47.01 | Pillum | context menu->view->user list |
| 23:47.09 | pupnik_ | ty SpeedEvil |
| 23:47.09 | Pillum | Trizt, |
| 23:47.13 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: select - ctrl-c / ctrl-v works |
| 23:47.35 | Pillum | TriztN900, |
| 23:47.35 | SpeedEvil | That also has window 0-9 on shift-blue-numbers |
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| 23:48.08 | TriztN900 | Pillum: it's marked in the menu but still nothing |
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| 23:49.58 | Pillum | TriztN900, there is also the normal irc way: /userlist |
| 23:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | TriztN900: probably it's set to size=0 in your config |
| 23:51.04 | Pillum | the userlist is left....usually |
| 23:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember RST38h tweaked it to hide... |
| 23:52.00 | TriztN900 | okey, it may be the case as you say. |
| 23:52.36 | TriztN900 | Pillum: jost that i'm old and forget those commands |
| 23:52.53 | Wild_Doogy | Anyone know what video codecs the N900 likes best? |
| 23:53.29 | Wild_Doogy | What should I convert my videos to? |
| 23:53.41 | Pillum | i think h.264 |
| 23:53.52 | Wild_Doogy | thanks |
| 23:54.25 | ShadowJK | h264 baseline |
| 23:55.07 | Pillum | and the resolution must not be too high |
| 23:55.21 | Wild_Doogy | hmm it says on the wikithat youtube videos use H264 |
| 23:55.30 | Wild_Doogy | yes, low res |
| 23:55.56 | TriztN900 | yeah highres over nfs is painful |
| 23:55.59 | Wild_Doogy | my copy of transformers II gets like 10 FPS |
| 23:56.00 | SpeedEvil | 3*4 pixels at 4fps. |
| 23:56.32 | Wild_Doogy | speedevil: WOW??? |
| 23:56.44 | ShadowJK | 800x480 should be fine |
| 23:56.49 | Wild_Doogy | thanks |
| 23:56.51 | SpeedEvil | Well - not really. youtube that is. |
| 23:56.56 | Pillum | The highest quality supported: |
| 23:56.58 | SpeedEvil | IT seems to approach it at times though |
| 23:57.18 | Pillum | resolution 800x480 |
| 23:57.29 | Pillum | container avi or mp4 |
| 23:57.32 | Wild_Doogy | well thanks very much guys |
| 23:57.44 | Wild_Doogy | I need to eat supper rightnow thoug |
| 23:57.49 | Wild_Doogy | bye |
| 23:57.52 | Pillum | mpeg4 or h.264 max bitrate 5000 |
| 23:58.11 | Pillum | and aac or mp3 max 329 |
| 23:58.14 | Pillum | 320 |
| 23:58.17 | Pillum | bye |
| 23:58.33 | Wild_Doogy | --copy- -paste- |
| 23:59.10 | Pillum | ?? |
