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| 00:03.52 | rzr | itt is going nowhere ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=543529 ;) |
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| 00:13.25 | Arif_ | has anyone tried a Wii classic controller on the N900? |
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| 00:13.44 | Xisdibik | I thought that one was corded |
| 00:14.09 | Arif_ | no |
| 00:14.14 | Arif_ | you poke it into the wiimote |
| 00:14.25 | Arif_ | or a PS3 controller |
| 00:14.36 | Arif_ | I want to control the emulators with real keys :p |
| 00:14.44 | Xisdibik | as do i |
| 00:14.48 | Xisdibik | i dont have a wii classic controller |
| 00:15.01 | Arif_ | the wiimote itself doesn't have enough buttons for GBA/SNES |
| 00:15.08 | Xisdibik | yep |
| 00:15.13 | Xisdibik | anything beyond a NES/GB |
| 00:15.26 | Arif_ | I read on the forum something about PS3 controller on the N900 |
| 00:15.28 | Arif_ | but I'm not sure ;( |
| 00:15.43 | ptl | some youtube videos have some information on it |
| 00:15.46 | Xisdibik | id would be pretty cool |
| 00:16.10 | Arif_ | I just tried mariokart advance |
| 00:16.15 | Arif_ | and the sound is terrible :D |
| 00:16.52 | Xisdibik | because its coming from phone speakers? or because its bad from the emulator :P |
| 00:17.05 | Arif_ | it's bad from the emulator |
| 00:17.18 | Arif_ | it sounds.....distorted |
| 00:17.35 | Arif_ | maybe the FPS is too low |
| 00:17.45 | Arif_ | wonders if that's increasable |
| 00:17.53 | pupnik_ | ibuprofen and two beers are brilliant for this condition :) |
| 00:17.57 | pupnik_ | is that drnoksnes Arif_ ? |
| 00:18.00 | zerojay | Using any Wii controllers results in quite a lot of lag between your button presses and when the emulator receives them, by the way. |
| 00:18.03 | Arif_ | no |
| 00:18.05 | Arif_ | VGBA |
| 00:18.23 | zerojay | Arif_: So have fun running off of cliffs in Mario. :) |
| 00:18.24 | pupnik_ | vgba cant do full speed sound |
| 00:18.35 | Arif_ | oh |
| 00:18.44 | Arif_ | do you think it'll be possible in the future? |
| 00:18.55 | Arif_ | zerojay, I'll try a PS3 controller sometime then! |
| 00:19.24 | Arif_ | installs drnoksnes |
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| 00:21.49 | Xisdibik | zerojay: wii controllers specifically? or all wifi controllers? |
| 00:22.02 | Arif_ | Wii controller isn't wifi |
| 00:22.08 | Xisdibik | wifi as in wireless :P |
| 00:22.14 | Arif_ | :p |
| 00:22.39 | Xisdibik | heya kimitake_idle and javispedro: how are you two today? |
| 00:22.55 | javispedro | I am trying to take over a garage project, and you? |
| 00:24.02 | Xisdibik | gettin over a cold :/ but its finally going away |
| 00:24.45 | pupnik_ | what is so wondrful about a project in garage |
| 00:24.57 | javispedro | bugzilla + git |
| 00:25.07 | javispedro | and free webserver. |
| 00:25.22 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 00:25.32 | javispedro | well, some people would say garage is actually awful bugzilla + slow git, but I'm fine with it ;) |
| 00:25.33 | pupnik_ | hmm what proj? |
| 00:25.44 | javispedro | dosbox |
| 00:25.47 | Arif_ | it takes long to update extras devel |
| 00:25.48 | Arif_ | :D |
| 00:25.57 | javispedro | was finally torpedoed because of missing bugzilla |
| 00:26.30 | pupnik_ | you should be a project member |
| 00:26.51 | javispedro | yes, but I've been emailing the owner for months now to no avail. |
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| 00:27.05 | pupnik_ | who? |
| 00:27.23 | javispedro | https://garage.maemo.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=515 |
| 00:28.21 | pupnik_ | waiting... |
| 00:28.28 | javispedro | heh |
| 00:28.42 | javispedro | either way: tracker empty, repo empty, lists empty, etc. |
| 00:29.07 | javispedro | I would at least put the repo to use, that must account to something :) |
| 00:29.14 | sivang | so I tried the tracker -r thing |
| 00:29.27 | sivang | and till no go ad identifying ogg/oga media from the media player |
| 00:29.55 | pupnik_ | yeah well javispedro garage is still unresponsive here. reminds me of why it is no fun |
| 00:30.17 | javispedro | pupnik: it's weird -- since I've posted that link I've clicked through 10 links |
| 00:30.27 | sobczyk_ | is there a way to precache openstreetmaps in maeps/maemo mapper/map buddy without using the app/ |
| 00:30.41 | Arif_ | would really appreciate a changelog when updating |
| 00:33.29 | javispedro | there's now a changelog snippet in the -testing/QA page |
| 00:33.31 | javispedro | I like it |
| 00:33.37 | pupnik_ | javispedro: i have never seen that dosbox maintainer do anything or even chat |
| 00:34.28 | javispedro | pupnik: I don't mind that, I'm not a perfect maintainer either, and "email accounts get lost" sometimes. |
| 00:34.39 | javispedro | but there has to be a policy for takeover/removal/etc |
| 00:35.16 | pupnik_ | just tell garage maintainer |
| 00:35.17 | lcuk | so dosbox is just an empty stub account |
| 00:35.36 | pupnik_ | or make a javisbox account |
| 00:35.59 | pupnik_ | /account/project |
| 00:36.01 | javispedro | :) I could even ignore garage and make a gitorius project and request the b.m.o component |
| 00:36.24 | lcuk | javispedro, that wouldnt be so bad :) |
| 00:36.29 | pupnik_ | yeah. who is the go-to guy for this.. x-fade? |
| 00:36.43 | Xisdibik | what ever you do javispedro we want some better dosboxsexyness |
| 00:36.43 | Xisdibik | ;) |
| 00:37.06 | javispedro | Guess so, though I'm pondering wheter to send it to -devel (to fix it this time) or -community (to discuss a new policy) |
| 00:37.31 | pupnik_ | avoid work |
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| 00:37.48 | javispedro | hey, that's my hobby! :D |
| 00:38.09 | pupnik_ | and my life |
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| 00:39.27 | Arif_ | oh wow |
| 00:39.38 | Arif_ | who came up with the default drnoksnes key layout :D |
| 00:39.47 | javispedro | me... |
| 00:39.52 | Xisdibik | that pedro guy did |
| 00:40.08 | Arif_ | that's some funky key mapping you thought of |
| 00:40.10 | Arif_ | =( |
| 00:40.12 | Arif_ | =) |
| 00:40.17 | Xisdibik | =() |
| 00:40.21 | javispedro | but that's why you got remappable layouts even before I putted in a default layout. |
| 00:40.42 | Arif_ | I'm trying to figure out what the logic is |
| 00:40.48 | Arif_ | :p |
| 00:41.09 | javispedro | hint: http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/buttons.jpg |
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| 00:41.48 | Arif_ | oo |
| 00:41.50 | Arif_ | a dpad |
| 00:41.52 | Arif_ | that'd be great... |
| 00:43.37 | javispedro | the issue with dosbox is that it's just hard. |
| 00:44.12 | javispedro | there's a reason there's that long faq on their site, and the maemo version is no different. |
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| 00:45.13 | javispedro | if only ukki would come back with his frontend... ;) |
| 00:45.22 | Xisdibik | javispedro: is all your n900 work done with a N810, or do u have a n900 also? ;) |
| 00:45.39 | javispedro | my n900 is broken atm. |
| 00:45.43 | Xisdibik | :o |
| 00:45.46 | Xisdibik | what did u do! |
| 00:46.05 | Arif_ | wow |
| 00:46.09 | Arif_ | drnoksnes works great |
| 00:46.10 | corecode | what's the opinion on maemo-sdk+? |
| 00:46.12 | Arif_ | =D |
| 00:46.29 | Arif_ | at least with mario all stars+world |
| 00:46.40 | javispedro | should reach a sane 40fps or the like |
| 00:47.00 | Arif_ | the sound works fine at least |
| 00:47.07 | javispedro | it's not perfect either. |
| 00:47.07 | Arif_ | VGBA was too bad to listen to :p |
| 00:47.29 | javispedro | since it's not the bottleneck i'm considering putting back all the missing stuff to get a bit higher quality. |
| 00:47.54 | sobczyk_ | is there picasa support in maemo like flickr? |
| 00:48.07 | Arif_ | goes to get more SNES roms |
| 00:48.17 | antii | Arif_: got any funones? :P |
| 00:48.25 | Arif_ | wha? |
| 00:48.26 | Arif_ | :p |
| 00:48.29 | antii | SNES roms :p |
| 00:48.50 | Arif_ | I found an RS link with a few if you want |
| 00:48.54 | antii | sure |
| 00:48.58 | antii | whats the name of the app? :P |
| 00:49.01 | javispedro | this is NOT the channel to do that |
| 00:52.07 | Arif_ | hides |
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| 00:56.31 | Xisdibik | hey javispedro is your snes emulator optified just curious |
| 00:56.50 | javispedro | it is. |
| 00:57.03 | Xisdibik | coo |
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| 01:00.18 | javispedro | ah, zeemote stuff in diablo repos is broken :( |
| 01:00.53 | javispedro | I finally commited the zeemote patch into drnoksnes MAIN branch, but I'm still not sure about forcefully depending on zeemote stuff. |
| 01:01.09 | javispedro | and also wheter just doing it in another process, wiimote style, would be better. |
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| 01:06.24 | Xisdibik | javispedro: dunno :/ |
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| 01:07.16 | dracflamloc | how can i get my n900s wlan IP? ifconfig isnt there |
| 01:08.24 | Xisdibik | I believe there is an app, not sure which repo its in |
| 01:08.45 | sar3th | dracflamloc: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:09.52 | dracflamloc | oh nice |
| 01:10.13 | sar3th | =) |
| 01:10.27 | sar3th | at last, suse thought me something ;) |
| 01:10.37 | dracflamloc | hm |
| 01:10.42 | dracflamloc | ok |
| 01:10.46 | dracflamloc | maybe you guys can helkp |
| 01:10.52 | dracflamloc | im running a ftp server on my desktop |
| 01:11.02 | dracflamloc | can connect fine via wlan from my laptop |
| 01:11.05 | ShadowJK | ftp is pretty hard to get through firewalls |
| 01:11.16 | dracflamloc | but i try the same thing with my n900 via wlan, and no luck |
| 01:11.19 | dracflamloc | says |
| 01:11.23 | dracflamloc | 'no route to host' |
| 01:11.26 | dracflamloc | (gftp) |
| 01:11.36 | sar3th | dracflamloc: can you ping the machine? |
| 01:11.37 | dracflamloc | no firewall, all internal network |
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| 01:12.16 | dracflamloc | not from the n900, no |
| 01:12.41 | lcuk | now you can check ifconfig |
| 01:12.48 | sar3th | then something is wrong with your configuration...i had a problem which was a bit similar to that |
| 01:12.52 | lcuk | does that report correct values for your network |
| 01:13.04 | dracflamloc | yes, ifconfig is reporting correct values |
| 01:13.09 | dracflamloc | i can get out to the internet just fine |
| 01:13.14 | dracflamloc | just not internal IPs |
| 01:14.08 | lcuk | whats laptop ip, and whats n900 ip |
| 01:14.16 | lcuk | and can you ping n900 from laptop |
| 01:14.19 | lcuk | and vice versa |
| 01:14.22 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 01:14.30 | Xisdibik | night trem |
| 01:14.34 | dracflamloc | laptop ip is 192.168.1.102 |
| 01:14.39 | dracflamloc | desktop 192.168.1.91 |
| 01:14.44 | dracflamloc | n900 192.168.1.22 |
| 01:15.02 | dracflamloc | and no i cannot ping the n900 from the desktp |
| 01:15.10 | dracflamloc | but the laptop and desktop can ping each other |
| 01:15.19 | sar3th | maybe something is wrong with the routes on your n900, as it was with mine |
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| 01:15.30 | lcuk | can you change them? |
| 01:15.36 | lcuk | only uses gui |
| 01:15.36 | dracflamloc | how did you fix it |
| 01:16.01 | sar3th | i had a bad /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:16.04 | Xisdibik | gives lcuk a warm gui brownie |
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| 01:16.37 | sar3th | i added nameserver 192.168.0.1 (my router) to that |
| 01:16.46 | sar3th | after that, everything was fine |
| 01:16.49 | dracflamloc | oh yea |
| 01:16.50 | dracflamloc | wtf |
| 01:16.56 | dracflamloc | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:17.04 | Xisdibik | thats the default |
| 01:17.07 | sar3th | i left that one in |
| 01:17.10 | lcuk | but were you pinging ips |
| 01:17.58 | lcuk | beds too |
| 01:18.14 | dracflamloc | yes i was pinging Ips |
| 01:18.17 | lcuk | gnite guys, good luck sorting it drac |
| 01:18.20 | dracflamloc | tx |
| 01:19.11 | sar3th | hm then the nameserver shouldn't be the problem actually |
| 01:19.36 | dracflamloc | all it had was the 127 entry |
| 01:19.47 | sar3th | it must be your router/access point dracflamloc |
| 01:19.52 | sar3th | i can ping my n900 just fine |
| 01:20.04 | sar3th | maybe you're mixing lan and wlan clients? |
| 01:20.15 | sar3th | or communication between endpoints is disabled? |
| 01:20.26 | dracflamloc | between just these two things on my network? |
| 01:21.04 | sar3th | well, how are your clients connected? |
| 01:21.05 | sar3th | lan? |
| 01:21.17 | Xisdibik | drac did you try adding it 192.168.0.1? |
| 01:21.33 | Xisdibik | like sar3th did |
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| 01:22.14 | dracflamloc | about to |
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| 01:23.07 | dracflamloc | didnt help |
| 01:23.19 | dracflamloc | im not surprised since the nameserver really shouldnt affect direct ip connect |
| 01:23.28 | sar3th | yeah |
| 01:23.42 | sar3th | i tried to ping some internet adress |
| 01:23.47 | sar3th | that was different |
| 01:24.10 | sar3th | well, how are your clients connected? |
| 01:24.12 | dracflamloc | yea i can ping google.com |
| 01:24.18 | dracflamloc | my desktop is wired |
| 01:24.20 | dracflamloc | n900 wireless |
| 01:24.25 | dracflamloc | laptop is wireless |
| 01:25.19 | dracflamloc | this makes no sense |
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| 01:26.34 | dracflamloc | ok |
| 01:26.40 | dracflamloc | pinging the n900 right from my router works |
| 01:26.48 | dracflamloc | but not from my desktp |
| 01:27.23 | dracflamloc | and my n900 can ping the router |
| 01:27.23 | antii | :o |
| 01:27.41 | cehteh | haha |
| 01:27.53 | cehteh | dracflamloc: i had exactly the same problem some time ago to |
| 01:28.17 | dracflamloc | any idea how to fix? |
| 01:28.18 | cehteh | it was a wireless setting on my crappy dlink AP "[x] client security" |
| 01:28.28 | cehteh | that prevents that any connected client sees each other |
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| 01:28.36 | dracflamloc | hm |
| 01:28.46 | dracflamloc | but see my laptop and desktop can see each otehr |
| 01:28.55 | cehteh | both are wireless? |
| 01:29.05 | dracflamloc | desktop wired, laptop wireless, n900 wireless |
| 01:29.12 | cehteh | exactly like me |
| 01:29.24 | cehteh | the wireless device dont see each other with that setting |
| 01:29.42 | cehteh | prolly you have some other device but maybe there is some similar setting |
| 01:29.46 | SWFu64 | wireless isolation |
| 01:29.51 | SWFu64 | it's called |
| 01:29.57 | cehteh | depends on vendor |
| 01:30.02 | dracflamloc | the desktop cant see the n900, but can see the laptop. you think thats the issue? |
| 01:30.12 | cehteh | eh no |
| 01:30.27 | cehteh | well powersaving may be? (me just peeking in here) |
| 01:31.01 | cehteh | play some webradio or ping something from the n900 to put the wireless into active state |
| 01:31.31 | cehteh | thats another problem there .. if powersaving is enabled the n900 doesnt see incoming traffic |
| 01:31.34 | dracflamloc | the n900 cant ping the desktop either. its like the n900 has no knowledge of the internal network except for the router itself |
| 01:32.05 | cehteh | then some wrong config? |
| 01:32.07 | Scelt | dracflamloc: wired ones can't see wireless ones and vice versa. it's the wireless isolation. check out your router configuration |
| 01:32.15 | sar3th | dracflamloc: check your access point config |
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| 01:32.24 | dracflamloc | im looking right now |
| 01:32.27 | dracflamloc | not seeing anything like that |
| 01:32.35 | cehteh | configured by dhcp? |
| 01:32.44 | dracflamloc | tried both |
| 01:33.12 | dracflamloc | ah |
| 01:33.15 | dracflamloc | my router calls it |
| 01:33.21 | dracflamloc | privacy separator |
| 01:33.22 | dracflamloc | however |
| 01:33.27 | dracflamloc | its already disabled |
| 01:33.40 | cehteh | check netmasks and networks |
| 01:33.55 | cehteh | its a router or a bridge? |
| 01:34.03 | dracflamloc | router |
| 01:34.25 | cehteh | well the ports on its back and the wlan interface are prolly bridged / switched |
| 01:35.37 | cehteh | this soho 'routers' are rather switches which only one routed port, thats the dsl or whatever internet connection you have |
| 01:36.45 | cehteh | routing only works across networks not within the same networks (unless you setup host routes) |
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| 01:37.11 | dracflamloc | well, the ifconfig -a shows exactly the same thing on laptop, desktop, and n900 (except last ip digit of course) |
| 01:37.24 | dracflamloc | this is really weird |
| 01:37.41 | dracflamloc | im no fool when it comes to networking... i really dont get why i cant do this |
| 01:38.30 | cehteh | well something is wrong configured |
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| 01:38.51 | cehteh | there are many things which can make this fail |
| 01:39.00 | dracflamloc | why would it only affect the n900 then |
| 01:39.09 | dracflamloc | i guess something is configged wrong on the n900 |
| 01:39.15 | dracflamloc | but i dont have a clue what |
| 01:39.17 | cehteh | dunno how/what you tested yet |
| 01:39.34 | cehteh | disable powersaving while testing |
| 01:39.45 | cehteh | thats incompatible with some routers |
| 01:39.53 | dracflamloc | i can ping my wired desktop, from my wireless laptop, and vice versa |
| 01:40.08 | sar3th | o_O |
| 01:40.09 | dracflamloc | but cant get to my n900, or out from my n900 |
| 01:40.23 | cehteh | so, its not connected to your net |
| 01:40.41 | cehteh | hint: did you set MAC filters on your wlan? |
| 01:40.46 | dracflamloc | then how is it able to ping the router? |
| 01:40.50 | dracflamloc | no, no filters |
| 01:40.51 | cehteh | ah |
| 01:41.17 | cehteh | ok whats the routers IP, whats the desktops ip whats the laptops ip ... with netmask each |
| 01:41.33 | dracflamloc | netmask for all is 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:41.39 | dracflamloc | router: 192.168.1.1 |
| 01:41.46 | dracflamloc | desktop: 192.168.1.91 |
| 01:41.54 | dracflamloc | n900: 192.168.1.22 |
| 01:42.00 | dracflamloc | laptop: 192.168.1.102 |
| 01:42.01 | cehteh | if it gets too the router this means the router doesnt forward the packet .. so its likely a misconfiguration on the router |
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| 01:43.22 | cehteh | some filter rule? or firewall on the desktop or laptop? can the laptop ping each other? |
| 01:44.10 | dracflamloc | this is pretty much the most insecure network setup you can have, minus WEP |
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| 01:44.17 | dracflamloc | no firewalls, filters, etc |
| 01:44.29 | cehteh | still something wrong :P |
| 01:45.12 | dracflamloc | obviously =P |
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| 01:45.26 | cehteh | goes on .. i am reconfiguring my network for vpn too, putting the wlan into its own segment and have some problem too .. grr :P |
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| 01:45.53 | ds3 | network for vpn? does that also require a new kernel like the iptables stuff? |
| 01:46.16 | cehteh | nope |
| 01:46.41 | cehteh | but my router has 3 network cards and one pretends its dead |
| 01:47.03 | cehteh | (router here means full pc) |
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| 01:51.45 | cehteh | .. cleaning the port with a cotton swab worked :P |
| 01:52.02 | dracflamloc | rofl |
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| 01:54.25 | cehteh | ok .. reconfiguring wlan .. brb (i hope) |
| 01:54.42 | cehteh | mhm .. no not yet .. vpn test :P |
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| 02:00.19 | dracflamloc | ok |
| 02:00.20 | dracflamloc | uh |
| 02:00.38 | dracflamloc | my n900 can ping my other desktop, which is on wireless |
| 02:01.00 | dracflamloc | so wtf is up with my n900 not pinging my wired desktop |
| 02:02.10 | acidjazz | you have a trial version of ping |
| 02:02.14 | acidjazz | that limits to certain machinse |
| 02:02.21 | dracflamloc | crap |
| 02:02.23 | dracflamloc | i knew it |
| 02:02.36 | sar3th | dracflamloc: rather WTF is up with your wired desktop failing to communicate with the n900 >_> |
| 02:02.40 | sar3th | dracflamloc: what? |
| 02:03.20 | dracflamloc | oh i was responding to acid |
| 02:03.25 | dracflamloc | yea so what IS with my desktop |
| 02:03.32 | dracflamloc | its running ubuntu 9.10 |
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| 02:07.30 | sar3th | LOL acidjazz |
| 02:09.57 | dracflamloc | yea wtf |
| 02:10.00 | dracflamloc | this is pissing me off |
| 02:10.20 | cehteh | the error is likely on your side |
| 02:10.31 | dracflamloc | im sure |
| 02:10.37 | dracflamloc | still doesnt make sense |
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| 02:17.29 | Texrat | sup |
| 02:17.56 | Texrat | is jaffa here? |
| 02:20.11 | Xisdibik | im going to venture a guess that hes around but not actively paying attention to this channel at least ;) |
| 02:20.35 | dracflamloc | how would i get the ovi maps map loader to workin linux |
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| 02:22.40 | Xisdibik | dracflamloc: i only see it saying it works for windows / mac osx |
| 02:23.24 | dracflamloc | well thats poop |
| 02:23.35 | dracflamloc | a linux device with software that doesnt support linux |
| 02:23.47 | Xisdibik | well it comes preinstalled :P |
| 02:23.56 | dracflamloc | not all the map data |
| 02:24.17 | dracflamloc | if i were to use this as a gps, it'd have to be connected the whole time to download the maps |
| 02:24.30 | Xisdibik | do you not have access to a windows machine/ |
| 02:24.50 | dracflamloc | not at home. i could download it at work i suppose |
| 02:24.54 | dracflamloc | i wonder if it works with wine |
| 02:25.48 | Xisdibik | wine is a possibility, dunno |
| 02:26.03 | Xisdibik | and as for not at home, is it because u dont have a windows CD, or u dont have it installed anywhere |
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| 02:26.26 | dracflamloc | i do not own a windows license |
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| 02:26.37 | dracflamloc | besides that |
| 02:26.54 | dracflamloc | its just dumb in my opinion to make a linux device but not support the desktop equivalent os |
| 02:29.25 | Xisdibik | my guess is if it doesnt, it doesnt for a reason, i just dont know the answer |
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| 02:31.48 | sar3th | dracflamloc: which map software do you mean? |
| 02:31.57 | sar3th | can you linky pls? |
| 02:32.17 | dracflamloc | i found a non-os dependant install method here: http://diabo.freehostia.com/symbian/indexmaps.htm |
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| 02:32.46 | dracflamloc | i still just dont get the whole desktop issue im having |
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| 02:37.34 | maher_ | anyone familiar with the python alarm bindings? how do i actually enumerate currently existing alarms? |
| 02:40.47 | Xisdibik | sar3th: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download#/nokia-n900/ |
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| 02:40.58 | Xisdibik | dont ask why its on europe lol |
| 02:41.18 | sar3th | thanks Xisdibik |
| 02:41.24 | sar3th | looks good :D |
| 02:41.38 | Xisdibik | minus being on europe :P |
| 02:41.40 | sar3th | now the only thing i miss is a voice navigator in there |
| 02:42.16 | Xisdibik | voice navigator would be nice |
| 02:42.22 | Xisdibik | though i dont think id use it a huge huge amount |
| 02:42.48 | sar3th | i like the offline maps now :D |
| 02:42.49 | maher_ | what do you do if you don't have windows or mac? |
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| 02:43.10 | Xisdibik | maher_: get a windows or mac? ;) |
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| 02:43.29 | b-man17 | use linux |
| 02:43.31 | b-man17 | lol |
| 02:43.49 | Xisdibik | if you got a n900, you can probably afford another computer as well :P |
| 02:43.50 | maher_ | i mean can i use the map loader thingy from linux? |
| 02:43.59 | b-man17 | hey penguinb8 :) |
| 02:44.05 | sar3th | maher_: no |
| 02:44.06 | maher_ | Xisdibik: i have many computers, they all run linux |
| 02:44.13 | sar3th | but read dracflamloc's last link |
| 02:44.14 | sar3th | :P |
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| 02:44.28 | Xisdibik | sar3th: he joined after |
| 02:44.37 | sar3th | oh |
| 02:44.41 | Xisdibik | [18:32] <dracflamloc> i found a non-os dependant install method here: http://diabo.freehostia.com/symbian/indexmaps.htm |
| 02:45.02 | sar3th | i really love the fact that the maps are free |
| 02:45.05 | b-man17 | penguinb8: how is the trial N900? :) |
| 02:45.48 | maher_ | Xisdibik: cool - thanks |
| 02:45.51 | Xisdibik | sar3th: not a big issue for me, considering if i ever wanted a map, i could get one from AAA for free cuz my moms a member |
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| 02:46.25 | sar3th | cool Xisdibik |
| 02:46.42 | sar3th | that doesn't apply to me |
| 02:47.06 | sar3th | and now that i don't need to stream the maps from the internet anymore, i'll use the maps app more often :D |
| 02:47.11 | maher_ | will the ovi maps 3.0 maps work with the maps 1.0 on the n900? |
| 02:47.18 | sar3th | just for the sake of it being free |
| 02:47.22 | sar3th | maher_: i think so |
| 02:47.34 | maher_ | doh - sorry i just saw the link to the older maps - it was small type |
| 02:48.41 | sar3th | does the n900 really use maps 1.0?? |
| 02:50.02 | maher_ | sar3th: ahem - 1.01 |
| 02:52.49 | sar3th | given the fact that the loading screen displays a link to maps.ovi.com, i doubt that |
| 02:53.32 | maher_ | sar3th: ok - if i can get a newer maps for my n900 just let me know how |
| 02:54.53 | sar3th | maher_: i don't think the maps app is out-of-date, but that it uses a newer maps file format |
| 02:55.53 | maher_ | does anyone know which maps version the n900 maps wants? I'm downloading a 1.0 map atm so will find out at some point |
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| 03:04.33 | sar3th | maher_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38872 |
| 03:05.09 | Dantonic | hey |
| 03:05.56 | cehteh | ping |
| 03:06.14 | cehteh | ok vpn works |
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| 03:13.10 | daniieeeell | *ñl* |
| 03:15.25 | ShadowJK | The maps version numbers aren't comparable |
| 03:15.39 | daniieeeell | *!corazon* |
| 03:15.53 | ShadowJK | Ovi Maps on S60, Ovi Maps on Web, and Ovi Maps on Maemo are 3 different pieces of software with the same name |
| 03:16.31 | ShadowJK | Maemo's Ovi Maps isn't "old". It's rewrite from scratch, and the first version was called 1.0 |
| 03:16.41 | sar3th | ovi maps 3 format seems to work with maemo maps 1 |
| 03:16.52 | maher_ | i want teh big number version!!!!!!! |
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| 03:17.12 | ShadowJK | Rewrite is probaly easier than to port stuff from Symbian. |
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| 03:17.51 | sar3th | now, the only problem is, you cannot search places in offline mode D= |
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| 03:20.38 | Dantonic | hi anyone know if I can use wake on lan from my N900? |
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| 03:26.39 | Texrat_ | hello |
| 03:27.15 | svanheulen | anyone here use qt/pyside, can help me with a quick question? #pyside is dead right now :/ |
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| 03:34.51 | Andy80 | hi |
| 03:35.21 | Texrat_ | hey Andy80 |
| 03:35.34 | Andy80 | hey :) |
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| 03:36.15 | Andy80 | anyone of you knows if it's possible to create desktop widgets with qt? |
| 03:37.56 | Texrat_ | using the UI tools, I believe so |
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| 03:41.20 | svanheulen | Andy80: do you use pyside by chance? |
| 03:41.35 | Andy80 | no I didn't mean if it's possible to design them... I asked if home widgets are supported by qt... for example: home calendar, ecc... |
| 03:41.50 | Andy80 | yes I use pyside |
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| 03:42.54 | svanheulen | Andy80: awesome, can you tell me how to specify a parent when creating a widget? sorry, i tried #pyside channel but it's dead :/ |
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| 03:43.23 | Andy80 | oh I use them but I'm not expert at all :( |
| 03:43.42 | Andy80 | anyway... if I remember well... |
| 03:43.42 | svanheulen | oh ok |
| 03:44.08 | Andy80 | when you add widget B to widget A, A become the parent of B |
| 03:44.51 | Andy80 | or try to ask in #qt too and be generic with your question :) |
| 03:45.11 | svanheulen | yeah but i mean like for a group box the syntax is PySide.QtGui.QGroupBox(title[, parent=0]) but i can't get anything i try pass for parent to work :( |
| 03:45.12 | Andy80 | I mean... no need to specify you're susing python |
| 03:45.41 | svanheulen | heh, but i know how to do it in c++ just fine |
| 03:45.49 | Andy80 | uhm... maybe a bug of pyside? |
| 03:46.08 | svanheulen | could be |
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| 05:22.38 | openstandards | can't wait for neopwn to be released for the n900 |
| 05:22.59 | openstandards | its going to be amazing to say the least |
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| 05:27.31 | kumar-klescet | hi.. i'm new in maemo development feild... anybody can help me in packaging of source code |
| 05:30.30 | luke-jr | kumar-klescet: Maemo is obsolete. See MeeGo. |
| 05:30.38 | luke-jr | Maemo and MeeGo use incompatible packages |
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| 05:55.24 | RST38h | "Phone randomly launches" |
| 05:55.38 | RST38h | Scary |
| 05:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | Cape Canaveral? |
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| 06:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | depressing |
| 06:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | if OP ealized the "launch phone by turning" works only on desktop and taskswitcher, he probably would find a pattern |
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| 07:18.57 | trupheenix | i'm getting some weird operation failed when i try to click photos on my N900 |
| 07:19.06 | trupheenix | anyone know what could be the problem? |
| 07:21.03 | adeus | do you have a memory card in the phone |
| 07:21.11 | pupnik | yeah photo app is broken |
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| 07:22.33 | trupheenix | adeus nope |
| 07:22.40 | trupheenix | adeus, just put in a memory card and it worked |
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| 07:22.52 | trupheenix | adeus, doesn't let me use internal storage |
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| 07:23.31 | adeus | mine had the other way round :) |
| 07:23.42 | adeus | after a memory card, I could only take one shot |
| 07:23.50 | adeus | after that "operation failed" |
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| 07:25.19 | pupnik | i can still take pics, they just dont all appear |
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| 07:27.00 | trupheenix | any good irc clilent for the N900? |
| 07:27.09 | MiXu- | irssi should work |
| 07:27.13 | trupheenix | ok |
| 07:27.34 | MiXu- | But I use ssh + a remote irssi |
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| 07:28.20 | DantonicN900 | hi |
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| 07:28.55 | DantonicN900 | how do i create an icon in the app menu? |
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| 07:29.20 | DantonicN900 | where are they located? |
| 07:30.24 | pupnik | /use/share blergh |
| 07:30.42 | trupheenix | thinks it's time to ditch his dell laptop |
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| 07:32.59 | DantonicN900 | ty pupnik |
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| 08:07.33 | mavhk | damn, n810 in infinite restart mode |
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| 08:12.03 | mavhk | can one enable RD mode via the windows flash software? |
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| 08:13.37 | Khertan | Hello all ! |
| 08:14.19 | danielwilms_ | morning Khertan |
| 08:14.51 | Stskeeps | mavhk: you can probably enable rd mode and set rd flags to no-lifeguard-reset, i think |
| 08:15.08 | Khertan | hello danielwilms_ |
| 08:15.42 | Khertan | hum ... just a question about pyopengl ... did you know why it s not available on maemo5 ? |
| 08:16.02 | Khertan | as when i take a look to pyside opengl example it s required |
| 08:16.20 | Stskeeps | Khertan: cos it's opengles not opengl? |
| 08:16.34 | frals | need 2 more votes on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fapn/0.6-1, pretty please? ;) |
| 08:16.53 | danielwilms_ | mavhk: are you using the flasher from here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php ?? |
| 08:17.37 | Khertan | Stskeeps: what s the differences ? |
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| 08:18.30 | Stskeeps | Khertan: two different APIs, i think |
| 08:18.33 | Stskeeps | GL doesn't run on GLES |
| 08:19.57 | danielwilms_ | morning Stskeeps btw :) |
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| 08:20.30 | Stskeeps | morn danielwilms_ :) |
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| 08:22.11 | Stskeeps | is digging through all his mail |
| 08:22.59 | Xisdibik | evenin Stskeeps |
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| 08:25.58 | Sargun | Is there an easy way to tell where my N900 is in space as compared it was 10 minutes ago? |
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| 08:26.31 | Stskeeps | make something up with python and the liblocation wrapper? |
| 08:26.42 | Sargun | Stskeeps, I mean from acceleration data |
| 08:26.51 | Xisdibik | Sargun: is your n900 the first one in orbit? :P |
| 08:26.54 | Sargun | haha |
| 08:26.56 | Sargun | is there something that would tell me which way is up? |
| 08:26.57 | Stskeeps | Sargun: only with a bunch of drift |
| 08:27.31 | Sargun | drift is ok, as long as the general direction is correct |
| 08:27.44 | Xisdibik | Sargun: away from gravity. in space up is relative |
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| 08:28.43 | Xisdibik | your name also sux to write lol, i have to type Sarg, to tab complete it without cycling through more than 3 names lol |
| 08:28.52 | Sargun | what's that kind of sensor that tells you where gravity is? |
| 08:29.12 | Xisdibik | Sargun: the drop your n900 and see where it goes ? ;) |
| 08:29.25 | Sargun | Xisdibik, heh. |
| 08:30.10 | Xisdibik | if the n900 goes into you.. you might wanna consider a diet. if it goes to the floor, things are normal |
| 08:30.21 | Sargun | alternatively, I guess as long as the relative orientation of the n900 stays the same, it'll work |
| 08:30.55 | Xisdibik | Sargun: whats the purpose for wanting said information, just curious |
| 08:31.45 | Sargun | Xisdibik, I want to make a 3d graffiti app |
| 08:31.49 | jacekowski | nie tu |
| 08:31.51 | jacekowski | good morning |
| 08:32.03 | Xisdibik | nie tu? |
| 08:32.06 | Stskeeps | my comments on #3827 are embarassing to read again |
| 08:32.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:32.09 | jacekowski | nvm |
| 08:32.25 | jacekowski | i've pasted something accidentaly |
| 08:32.31 | Xisdibik | jacekowski: ah |
| 08:32.38 | Xisdibik | i thought u were speakings the foreign languages |
| 08:32.44 | Sargun | huh |
| 08:33.03 | jacekowski | well, that was in language different than english |
| 08:33.16 | Xisdibik | Sargun: a 3d graffiti app... to do what? |
| 08:33.22 | jacekowski | however i don't suppose foreign would be good term |
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| 08:33.36 | Xisdibik | foreign to me ;) |
| 08:33.43 | Xisdibik | what language? |
| 08:33.53 | Sargun | Xisdibik, make 3d graffiti on a screen |
| 08:34.14 | Xisdibik | Sargun: by moving your n900 around in space? |
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| 08:34.34 | Sargun | Xisdibik, yeah |
| 08:34.41 | johnx | mornin' all |
| 08:34.48 | Xisdibik | Sargun: seems like one would just doodle with the stylus |
| 08:34.58 | Xisdibik | morning johnx |
| 08:35.01 | Sargun | huh? |
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| 08:35.06 | Sargun | doodle with the stylus? |
| 08:35.14 | Sargun | actually 2d graffiti could be damn neat as well |
| 08:35.50 | Sargun | Xisdibik, but can you do it by moving, or tilting your n900? |
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| 08:36.57 | Xisdibik | so you want to make 3D graffiti using the n900, that seems a little more understandable then :p |
| 08:37.22 | Xisdibik | still seems a little hard to do, and given screen size space, would be a small graffiti |
| 08:37.28 | Khertan | Hum which lib exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) |
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| 08:38.27 | Sargun | what are the units of acceleration? |
| 08:38.38 | Sargun | 1000 units per something, per something? |
| 08:39.05 | Sargun | 1000 = -9.8? |
| 08:39.07 | adeus | m/s^2 |
| 08:39.21 | Sargun | adeus, no. |
| 08:39.29 | Sargun | gravity is 9.8 I thought |
| 08:39.35 | Xisdibik | The metre (or meter) per second squared is the SI derived unit of acceleration. |
| 08:39.40 | Sargun | http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers |
| 08:39.56 | Sargun | Xisdibik, but they aren't using SI units |
| 08:39.58 | adeus | ah context |
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| 08:40.09 | Xisdibik | "they"? |
| 08:40.09 | Sargun | Values are in mG (milli G). 1000 = 1 G |
| 08:40.10 | Sargun | ah. |
| 08:40.30 | Sargun | so (N/1000)*9.8 to get the value in meters per second per second |
| 08:40.45 | Xisdibik | Sargun: who are "they"? |
| 08:40.56 | adeus | whoever made that api |
| 08:40.56 | Sargun | Xisdibik, the accelerometers |
| 08:41.03 | Sargun | adeus, should be shot? |
| 08:41.12 | Xisdibik | heh |
| 08:42.17 | adeus | well as we are on earth an index to G is somewhat logical |
| 08:43.21 | adeus | and it's cool to talk about Gs |
| 08:43.28 | adeus | makes you feel like a fighter pilot |
| 08:43.38 | Xisdibik | or astronaut |
| 08:43.39 | Sargun | apparently gravity here is closer to -10.0548 |
| 08:44.03 | Xisdibik | gravity isnt constant on the earths survace btw |
| 08:44.08 | Xisdibik | surface* |
| 08:44.16 | adeus | well obviously it isn't |
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| 08:44.27 | Xisdibik | :p |
| 08:44.34 | Xisdibik | well he seemed surprised |
| 08:44.54 | adeus | we aren't on a physics planet that is a perfect sphere :) |
| 08:45.02 | Sargun | Xisdibik, -0.2 m/s^2 is a bit much though |
| 08:45.06 | Sargun | So, I just tell the user to start it in the back touching the ground |
| 08:45.17 | Sargun | and then use the atan2 function to "guess" where the user is now? |
| 08:45.47 | Xisdibik | dont ask me, im not even close to a programmer :) |
| 08:45.52 | bilboed-tp | could someone kick Mirc out of the channel ? |
| 08:45.58 | Sargun | why? |
| 08:46.16 | Sargun | What's a good function to remove noise... hmm |
| 08:46.20 | Sargun | That's above me |
| 08:47.27 | Xisdibik | alright everyone said goodmorning, but im going to sleep, goodnight ;) |
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| 08:48.10 | bilboed-tp | Mirc is spamming all newcomers to this channel |
| 08:48.32 | Myrtti | bilboed-tp: he's been reported to the network staff too |
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| 08:49.25 | Sargun | bah, I have a nasty drift. |
| 08:49.59 | Sargun | when my n900 is at rest, it says that the acceleration in the x-direction is -0.3528 |
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| 08:50.55 | pupnik | how does the N900 survive nasty falls onto stone? |
| 08:51.17 | pupnik | ad the accelerometer still works too |
| 08:51.31 | thresh | mine once fallen to a bike pedal from 1.5 meters |
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| 08:51.44 | thresh | nice mark on a screen now |
| 08:52.26 | pupnik | i think the cupped design helps divert energy |
| 08:52.54 | pupnik | and the back cover can absorb energy and fly off |
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| 08:53.40 | pupnik | but how does an accelerometer survive such shocks? |
| 08:53.42 | Sargun | dkwaopdkwaodpwakdpowa |
| 08:53.50 | Sargun | the magic of MEMs |
| 08:53.52 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 09:01.06 | Dantonic | hi sorry not sure if anyone read this before I got disconnected, I'm gonna repost: |
| 09:01.09 | Dantonic | how do I create an icon in usr/share/applications/hildon so that when launched it brings up the terminal and executes a command in it? |
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| 09:07.27 | Myrtti | ⥠|
| 09:07.53 | Dantonic | hi |
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| 09:11.49 | villemv | Dantonic: does doing "Terminal=true" in desktop file help? |
| 09:12.23 | villemv | or DantonicN900, or whomever |
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| 09:18.08 | pupnik | lets do an irssi camera plugin thing for instant sharing of current environment |
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| 09:18.49 | vallhalla81 | Good morning all |
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| 09:34.26 | Sargun | So, I think I need to apply signal smoothing to it first, and then I can do it |
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| 09:39.51 | tigert | hmm |
| 09:40.22 | tigert | whats up with this account-plugin-haze vs telepathy-extras? |
| 09:40.31 | tigert | they seem to be the same thing? |
| 09:40.37 | tigert | same maintainer etc |
| 09:40.47 | tigert | which one is the real one? |
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| 09:42.48 | jjardon | Hello, where is the code of GTK+ libraries used in maemo? |
| 09:42.56 | hrw | morning |
| 09:43.10 | hrw | jjardon: repository.maemo.org |
| 09:43.23 | Stskeeps | jjardon: maemo.gitorious.org has them |
| 09:43.43 | amigadave | jjardon: http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon/gtk |
| 09:43.58 | jjardon | thank you all |
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| 09:51.06 | MaceG1 | Hi |
| 09:51.08 | MaceG1 | Been a while |
| 09:52.01 | johnx | hallo MaceG1 :D |
| 09:52.44 | MaceG1 | Hey johnx |
| 09:52.58 | johnx | I've been on sabbatical as well :) |
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| 09:55.25 | pupnik | http://www.moanmyip.com female voice moans your IP address |
| 09:57.05 | johnx | bookmarked |
| 09:58.31 | DantonicN900 | villemv I thought it might but it did not |
| 09:59.16 | DantonicN900 | hi johnx |
| 10:00.15 | crashanddie | pupnik: moanmyos.com : "Hi OSX, you're real slick and sexy, tiger" |
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| 10:00.31 | crashanddie | Close, it's Snow Leopard |
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| 10:01.39 | johnx | hey DantonicN900 |
| 10:03.50 | Khertan | Hum which lib/framework exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) ? |
| 10:04.11 | Khertan | i was thinking of pyopengl ... but not available |
| 10:04.34 | Khertan | i was think of pyside-qtopengl ... but use pyopengl |
| 10:04.34 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:04.38 | Khertan | any idea ? |
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| 10:07.01 | DantonicN900 | johnx do u know if there is a way to make an app icon created in /usr/share/applications/hildon launch the terminal executing a command? as opposed to just running the command? |
| 10:07.18 | johnx | maybe? |
| 10:07.25 | johnx | I thought I heard someone do that |
| 10:07.28 | villemv | DantonicN900: ok, too bad. "easy debian" does that at least |
| 10:07.48 | johnx | try searching talk.maemo.org for "top terminal" |
| 10:07.49 | Lumpio- | I can't remember if there's a parameter to launch a terminal for it, but you can always make it point to the terminal app and give it the command as a param |
| 10:08.04 | villemv | open a terminal, I mean, not necessarily by special desktop file |
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| 10:09.00 | DantonicN900 | basically I was just looking for a way to create a shortcut to a command on the desktop |
| 10:09.44 | DantonicN900 | but if its an ssh command for example I would need the terminal open to enter a pass |
| 10:10.22 | villemv | htop uses dekstop file |
| 10:10.23 | villemv | Terminal=true |
| 10:10.31 | pupnik | DantonicN900: see the irssi package for an example |
| 10:10.39 | johnx | right. that's what I was thinking. :) |
| 10:10.39 | johnx | thanks villemv |
| 10:10.50 | DantonicN900 | ah good point |
| 10:11.25 | DantonicN900 | i tried terminal = true but it doesnt work |
| 10:11.43 | villemv | with uppercase T? |
| 10:12.34 | spaideri | how do you convert QString * to const QString ? |
| 10:14.44 | mgedmin | with &? |
| 10:15.21 | villemv | spaideri: no need to convert, just assign |
| 10:15.31 | villemv | in that direction |
| 10:15.49 | villemv | other direction => cont_cast |
| 10:15.57 | villemv | const_cast |
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| 10:16.21 | villemv | ah, missed the * |
| 10:16.28 | spaideri | jeah.. |
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| 10:17.16 | villemv | technically you con't "convert", but just do QString foo = *bar; |
| 10:17.30 | villemv | why do you have a QString* anyway? |
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| 10:18.07 | villemv | usually you have QString or QString& |
| 10:18.22 | spaideri | well some else made the class and all i can get is QString * and I must use const QString |
| 10:18.55 | villemv | ok, have someone else fix the code and in mean time use * ;-) |
| 10:19.24 | DantonicN900 | ya lowercase or upper case still won't work |
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| 10:20.07 | spaideri | QListWidgetItem accepts only const QString as text so I'm a bit stuck here :) |
| 10:20.25 | villemv | spaideri: pass it *crappy_pointer |
| 10:21.50 | DantonicN900 | ah maybe i got it |
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| 10:24.31 | villemv | DantonicN900: what was it? |
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| 10:36.55 | Shapeshifter | so I still dont get what apt is doing exactly. yestrerday I installes python2.5-qt4 which pulled in a couple of dependencies to take up 40mb of space. Today I did apt_get remove python2.5-qt4; apt-get autoremov and this removed abou 8mb of stuff. And on rootfs I still miss abot 20mb of space I still had yesterday. It also decided to remove vpnc, which I had installed by hand. |
| 10:37.24 | Shapeshifter | also, I suck at typing on this thing. |
| 10:37.59 | Shapeshifter | but still, apt does weird stuff. |
| 10:38.09 | tybollt | Shapeshifter: apt-get -f install |
| 10:38.27 | Shapeshifter | tybollt: ? |
| 10:38.37 | johnx | 'night all |
| 10:38.49 | tybollt | Shapeshifter: apt-get autoclean |
| 10:38.51 | tybollt | etc |
| 10:39.33 | Shapeshifter | I also did that already |
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| 10:43.04 | mgedmin | Shapeshifter, sync |
| 10:43.12 | mgedmin | ubifs garbage collection is delayed |
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| 10:43.18 | mgedmin | space is not freed as soon as you rm files |
| 10:46.01 | tybollt | Shapeshifter: you did do apt-get -f install yeah? |
| 10:47.20 | lupu | Shapeshifter: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
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| 10:52.01 | timeless_mbp | nice, i was just told the account for a contact i tried to called had been deleted |
| 10:53.41 | jacekowski | already |
| 10:53.43 | jacekowski | not here again |
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| 10:56.25 | corecode | so does the n900 have a compass or not? |
| 10:56.33 | corecode | seem to get conflicting information on the web |
| 10:56.44 | tybollt | no it does not |
| 10:56.45 | flux | it does not |
| 10:56.59 | corecode | alright |
| 10:57.09 | tybollt | it does have a gyro but no compass |
| 10:57.21 | corecode | ok |
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| 10:57.46 | flux | gyro? |
| 10:57.52 | jacekowski | corecode: no |
| 10:57.58 | tybollt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope |
| 10:58.03 | jacekowski | gyro? |
| 10:58.11 | jacekowski | i've heard it has accelerometer |
| 10:58.20 | tybollt | jaja |
| 10:58.25 | flux | you mean it has acceleration sensors? because acceleration sensors are not grysoscope s |
| 10:58.25 | tybollt | accelerometer |
| 10:58.29 | corecode | did anybody manage to down/upload offline ovi maps using linux? |
| 10:58.34 | tybollt | olrite |
| 10:58.42 | tybollt | fair enough :) |
| 10:58.45 | tybollt | accel |
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| 11:01.40 | SpeedEvil | there is an accel, no gyro or compass. |
| 11:02.04 | tybollt | yeah |
| 11:02.14 | tybollt | accel not gyro |
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| 11:12.15 | pta0007 | hi, i got the application running corretly on the emulator, how could I build it on my device? any links for instruction? |
| 11:12.42 | mece | pta0007, you have the SDK there? |
| 11:13.08 | pta0007 | i test my app on ubuntu, with maemo5 sdk] |
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| 11:15.07 | tank-man | you want to run it on the device or build it again on the device? |
| 11:15.18 | tank-man | if you want to run it, just copy it to your device |
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| 11:16.13 | lcuk | mornin tekojo \o |
| 11:16.32 | pta0007 | copy the executable file into the device? |
| 11:16.44 | tank-man | yea |
| 11:16.55 | pta0007 | ok, i'll take a try |
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| 11:17.09 | cityLights2 | hi |
| 11:17.21 | mgedmin | pta0007, note that it'll only work if you built it in the emulator's "armel" target |
| 11:17.22 | cityLights2 | is there a file like .bashrc in busybox? |
| 11:17.28 | mgedmin | won't work if you've got an x86 app |
| 11:17.30 | cityLights2 | so I can define alias |
| 11:17.38 | mgedmin | cityLights2, ~/.profile |
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| 11:18.01 | mgedmin | cityLights2, also, if you export ENV=$HOME/.ashrc in your ~/.profile, you can have an ~/.ashrc that is read by every /bin/sh, not just the login shell |
| 11:18.23 | pta0007 | yes, that's the problem. cause I build the app with the instruction from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK |
| 11:18.42 | pta0007 | no idea about whether i buid it with armel or x86 |
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| 11:19.08 | Shapeshifter | tybollt: yes. |
| 11:19.13 | Shapeshifter | lupu: I'll try that, thanks. |
| 11:19.14 | mgedmin | pta0007, when you have the shell in your scratchbox, look at the prompt |
| 11:19.18 | mgedmin | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] means x86 |
| 11:19.24 | mgedmin | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] means ARM |
| 11:19.27 | pta0007 | ah |
| 11:19.34 | pta0007 | that's right, i build with x86 |
| 11:19.34 | mgedmin | the N900 uses ARM binaries and X86 won't work |
| 11:19.47 | mgedmin | the SDK doesn't really support ARM completely enough for debugging/running GUI apps/etc |
| 11:20.10 | mgedmin | so you neet to sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL to switch targets |
| 11:20.12 | mgedmin | then re-build |
| 11:20.42 | pta0007 | mgedmin:ok, i'll try that |
| 11:21.03 | cityLights2 | mgedmin: thnaks |
| 11:23.20 | tekojo | Morning lcuk! |
| 11:24.56 | pta0007 | mgedmin:when i tried to select FREMANTLE_ARMEL target, it showed: Error: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first" what's this meaning? cause I only opened one terminal |
| 11:25.31 | gouverneur | has anyone a almighty POWER_OFF lirc script? |
| 11:26.25 | mgedmin | pta0007, good question, I don't know |
| 11:26.28 | mgedmin | try closing that terminal |
| 11:26.35 | mgedmin | you can run sb-conf outside scratchbox too |
| 11:27.25 | pta0007 | mgedmin:the same error inform showed |
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| 11:27.42 | gouverneur | cityLights2: you might want to use bash for terminal instead |
| 11:27.55 | cityLights2 | how? |
| 11:28.08 | pta0007 | shall i kill alll the processes in scratchbox first? |
| 11:28.30 | mgedmin | pta0007, I suppose -- but what could be running? |
| 11:28.36 | mgedmin | do you have the GUI up perhaps in Xephyr? |
| 11:28.42 | mgedmin | ah, right, that must be it |
| 11:28.52 | mgedmin | never bothers with Xephyr, too much hassle |
| 11:28.59 | mgedmin | then actually I never develop maemo apps ... |
| 11:29.11 | pta0007 | mgedmin: I have already closed the Xephyr |
| 11:29.31 | gouverneur | cityLights2: well you setup your sourcing in /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc create your personal $HOME/.bashrc and type bash in a terminal to test your config |
| 11:29.36 | pta0007 | mgedmin: anyway, I should try that killallprocesses |
| 11:29.43 | gouverneur | cityLights2: then you may chsh |
| 11:30.18 | Corsac | hmhm, is pr1.2 on its way? |
| 11:30.36 | mgedmin | pta0007, I'm not sure closing Xephyr is enough to kill all the processes started by af-sb-init.sh start |
| 11:30.38 | cityLights2 | min pls |
| 11:30.39 | mgedmin | so kill them all manually |
| 11:30.43 | mgedmin | or af-sb-init.sh stop, I suppose |
| 11:30.56 | gouverneur | cityLights2: as you seem to be n00b the command to make you bash as default is "chsh -s /bin/bash user" |
| 11:31.36 | mgedmin | gouverneur, I was always afraid of using chsh as I wasn't sure if it might break my n900 |
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| 11:31.46 | mgedmin | are you actually using bash on a n900 as the default shell? |
| 11:32.06 | SpeedEvil | using bash as the default shell is a bad idea |
| 11:32.14 | pta0007 | mgedmin:haha, it works after I kill all processes, though I dont know what's running actually |
| 11:32.21 | gouverneur | SpeedEvil: Y |
| 11:32.24 | tybollt | Y |
| 11:32.26 | SpeedEvil | ash is very lightweight - the unique memory it uses per launch for scripts is small. |
| 11:32.36 | SpeedEvil | This is not the case with bash. |
| 11:32.49 | gouverneur | SpeedEvil: with that you dont change the /bin/sh linking |
| 11:33.18 | SpeedEvil | oh - using it as your user shell is different |
| 11:33.25 | SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ |
| 11:33.26 | SpeedEvil | anyway |
| 11:33.28 | SpeedEvil | get that |
| 11:33.33 | gouverneur | SpeedEvil: /bin/sh will remain ash (which is as I learned some days ago not ash but a modified dash) |
| 11:33.37 | SpeedEvil | it shows memory per process |
| 11:34.24 | gouverneur | SpeedEvil: I dont care about memory as all executions are done with /bin/sh... its purely the user env |
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| 11:35.21 | gouverneur | mgedmin: do it as root via ssh for user and try... |
| 11:36.05 | SpeedEvil | yes - just pointing it out as it's a useful diagnostc tool. |
| 11:36.11 | gouverneur | (: |
| 11:36.13 | SpeedEvil | rss is very, very misleading. |
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| 11:39.06 | gouverneur | well you do not ask free for free mem do you? |
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| 11:42.15 | SpeedEvil | I mean there are no standard tools that give you a good idea of how much RAM a process uses |
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| 11:44.53 | gouverneur | mgedmin: cityLights2 do you still need help? |
| 11:45.34 | pta0007 | a naive question: why cant I open the phone disk while I connect it with the pc with mass mode? |
| 11:46.13 | gouverneur | pta0007: its not a naive its a level8 one... |
| 11:46.16 | cityLights2 | gouverneur: no guys thnks foir now |
| 11:46.28 | cityLights2 | mgedmin: no guys thnks foir now |
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| 11:46.51 | GeneralAntilles | pta0007, because you can't mount UBIFS in two locations at the same time? |
| 11:47.06 | gouverneur | pta0007: you cannot open with filebrowser as both the SD and your mmc3 are mounted elsewhere |
| 11:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | pta0007, if you mount the rootfs on your computer, how is the device going to continue running? :) |
| 11:47.10 | flux | pta0007, devices which provide low-level block access cannot be used by two clients at the same time, because both clients assume that the data doesn't change unless they modify it |
| 11:48.05 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles, s/UBIFS/VFAT/ |
| 11:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, depending on how he's defining "phone disk" |
| 11:48.30 | mgedmin | and it's not two locations that's the problem, it's two different OSes having direct access to the raw block device |
| 11:48.33 | mgedmin | that's the problem |
| 11:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | Semantics. |
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| 11:49.12 | mgedmin | truth value of statements |
| 11:49.19 | Stskeeps | glances at danish government program |
| 11:49.31 | Stskeeps | "denmark the richest country in the world in 2020" |
| 11:49.35 | Stskeeps | they so did not write that |
| 11:49.44 | gouverneur | mgedmin: there are just a few FSs which support to have it mounted to two computers at the same time... and you are not even close to using them in a user env |
| 11:51.02 | gouverneur | pta0007: an idea for you, setup USB networking and use fuse |
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| 11:52.37 | flux | just compile smbd for n900.. :-) |
| 11:52.46 | flux | never mind, it's already done :-o |
| 11:53.09 | gouverneur | flux: thats what you defn. do not need |
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| 11:53.42 | flux | gouverneur, well, if you have a window machine (which I don't), wouldn't that be an easy way to go? |
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| 11:54.52 | gouverneur | flux: I think it is about speed, so not with wifi connection, so the usb-net setup is needed anyway |
| 11:55.25 | flux | gouverneur, you can run it over usb-net |
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| 11:56.10 | gouverneur | flux: yah well but setting up smb is a pita and using winscp just works... |
| 11:56.12 | mgedmin | tends to use ssh for file access -- not very fast, but simple to use |
| 11:56.16 | gouverneur | for win at least |
| 11:56.49 | gouverneur | and for windows you may just use pc_suite (which did not import the SD lately) |
| 11:56.57 | Arif_ | .me yawns |
| 11:57.02 | Arif_ | yawns too |
| 11:57.20 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 11:57.38 | Arif_ | I woke up early again |
| 11:57.41 | Arif_ | :( |
| 11:58.48 | gouverneur | mgedmin: not very fast is because of the wifi powermanagement, if you have nothing running but sshd connection you will notice lag, turn on webradio and it is quiet fast, for small files it wont power up for large files it does anyway |
| 12:00.00 | mgedmin | gouverneur, nah, I disabled power management so I could ssh into my n900 without random pauses/drops |
| 12:00.16 | mgedmin | it's still not blazing fast for transferring large files |
| 12:00.34 | SpeedEvil | pm works well with a sane AP |
| 12:00.43 | mgedmin | either CPU bottlenecks because of encryption or SSH protocol inefficiencies slow things down |
| 12:00.44 | SpeedEvil | I getr max lags of 0.3s or so |
| 12:00.51 | mgedmin | google for HPN SSH to read about the latter |
| 12:00.56 | mgedmin | wants a sane AP |
| 12:00.57 | gouverneur | mgedmin: never got drops, pauses only if idle for very long |
| 12:01.20 | gouverneur | mgedmin: waht AP are u using it with? |
| 12:01.31 | mgedmin | pirelli discus or something like that |
| 12:02.05 | gouverneur | ??? |
| 12:02.14 | tigert | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.18 | wazd | hello everyone |
| 12:03.16 | gouverneur | mgedmin: you are using an AP from an branched out company of a tire manuf. and are wondering about... |
| 12:03.19 | mgedmin | gouverneur, Pirelli Discus DRG A125G to be more specific |
| 12:03.30 | Stskeeps | morning wazd |
| 12:03.35 | tigert | wonders whats different between telepathy-extras and account-plugin-haze? |
| 12:03.36 | mgedmin | it's a wifi AP/router with some kind of IPTV support |
| 12:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, there were PSM fixes recently which may have helped. . . . |
| 12:03.39 | mgedmin | runs linux, obviously |
| 12:03.45 | tigert | anyone got a clue? |
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| 12:03.57 | tigert | same maintainer, description says its more or less the same thing |
| 12:04.02 | GeneralAntilles | telepathy-extras is the metapackage, no? |
| 12:04.06 | tigert | is it? |
| 12:04.09 | mgedmin | tigert, there was a blog post once about all three different MSN plugins on the N900 |
| 12:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | thought so. |
| 12:04.14 | tigert | they both show up in app manager |
| 12:04.17 | gouverneur | SpeedEvil: yes sane APs... Cisco at work and Asus/Linksys at home... a charm! |
| 12:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | account-plugin-haze was what it was called on Diablo |
| 12:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno how that translated to Fremantle. |
| 12:04.37 | tigert | yeah there is the package for msn plugin too separate even |
| 12:04.45 | mgedmin | gouverneur, IIRC I had issues with a Linksys WRT54GL at home and my old n800 |
| 12:04.51 | tigert | installs both and sees what happens |
| 12:05.27 | gouverneur | mgedmin: which rev. of wrt did you have? |
| 12:06.25 | mgedmin | gouverneur, it could've been WAP54G back then; I later replaced it with WRT54GL (no clue about rev -- 3 or 4 maybe?) and installed either dd-wrt or x-wrt on it |
| 12:06.32 | mgedmin | this is getting a bit offtopic |
| 12:07.10 | gouverneur | mgedmin: no its not, the later revisions have not enough of ram to do everything you want properly |
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| 12:08.05 | gouverneur | a rev. 4 and rev. 5 startet to wifi cylcle after about 10days uptime if more than 2 clients where active |
| 12:08.07 | mgedmin | the wrt had 14 megs of ram, iirc, I couldn't enable shaping -- it'd get overloaded after ~24 hours and would reboot |
| 12:08.11 | pta0007 | gouverneur: still dont know how to do that. i have set up the usb networking, but how to use "fuse"? |
| 12:08.15 | gouverneur | s/where/were/g |
| 12:08.43 | mgedmin | pta0007, what do you want to do, again? |
| 12:08.57 | mgedmin | usually you don't use fuse directly but rather some userspace filesystem built on top of it |
| 12:09.01 | gouverneur | pta0007: whats your distro? |
| 12:09.05 | pta0007 | install the executable file into the device |
| 12:09.21 | pta0007 | and run the app on the device |
| 12:09.26 | mgedmin | e.g. on my linux laptop I run 'sshfs mg-n900:/ ~/mg-n900' to mount my n900's filesystem on ~/mg-n900/ |
| 12:09.27 | tigert | sets up facebook chat in n900 |
| 12:09.30 | tigert | sigh |
| 12:09.43 | mgedmin | pta0007, I suggest you just scp the file into your n900 |
| 12:09.44 | tigert | I really wish there was some auto-contacts-merge tool that used heuristics |
| 12:10.04 | mgedmin | assuming you've got openssh on your device |
| 12:10.06 | gouverneur | mgedmin: its about persistent connection |
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| 12:10.25 | mgedmin | if not, copy it over usb, unmount, unplug, copy it from /home/MyDocs (mounted noexec) to /home and then run it |
| 12:11.43 | tigert | man that facebook chat plugin has a nice icon in addressbook |
| 12:11.49 | gouverneur | pta0007: my fstab entry for n900 looks like this |
| 12:12.25 | gouverneur | sshfs#root@cassiopeia:/ /cassiopeia fuse user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 12:13.06 | gouverneur | a current bug in fuse prevents the user from umounting as mtab getns the user flag |
| 12:14.44 | tigert | how does fuse handle network disconnects? |
| 12:14.58 | tigert | I used sshfs to mount my dropbox from my server |
| 12:14.58 | mgedmin | tigert, badly, in my experience |
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| 12:15.03 | tigert | worked nice but that was the problem |
| 12:15.16 | tigert | other than that it was awesome to have my dropbox in the device |
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| 12:15.28 | tigert | of course a real dropbox client would be nice |
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| 12:15.39 | tigert | I guess there is a binary blob involved that doesnt wrok for arm? |
| 12:15.42 | gouverneur | tigert: hermes was just disappointing lately, I thought it would grep all missing info from facebook but it didnt do anything but enter a additional URL for the facebook$user |
| 12:15.45 | Stskeeps | tigert: bingo |
| 12:15.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 12:16.37 | tigert | gouverneur: hm, weird |
| 12:17.03 | gouverneur | yes it is and I dont want to activate this birthday only contacts thing... |
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| 12:19.31 | Khertan | Hum which lib/framework exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) ? |
| 12:19.34 | Khertan | i was thinking of pyopengl ... but not available |
| 12:19.36 | Khertan | i was think of pyside-qtopengl ... but use pyopengl |
| 12:19.38 | Khertan | any idea ? |
| 12:19.58 | mgedmin | speaking of dropbox, has anybody tried porting ubuntu one to maemo? |
| 12:20.02 | mgedmin | the client is open-source AFAIU |
| 12:20.11 | pta0007 | I think it's better if anyone could tell me how to on-device debug for n900 with maemo5 sdk, under ubuntu :) |
| 12:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | $10 Ovi manages to make the PR1.2/Qt 4.6 more complicated than it should be. |
| 12:20.32 | mgedmin | pta0007, the maemo wiki had docs about that; I haven't personally tried it |
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| 12:20.50 | Khertan | mgedmin: the interface of the client is open source |
| 12:20.56 | Khertan | some lib in it aren't |
| 12:21.03 | wazd | titanium iPhone, nice |
| 12:21.37 | mgedmin | Khertan, I thought that was about dropbox -- open-source nautilus plugin, closed-source client daemon |
| 12:21.39 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: i put 20 $ on it |
| 12:21.50 | Arif_ | GeneralAntilles, 5 on it'll be delayed :P |
| 12:22.33 | Khertan | mgedmin: yep closed-source client daemon (i miscalled that a lib) |
| 12:22.59 | gouverneur | how do I softly restart telepathy? I am getting connection error with ICQ from time to time... |
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| 12:23.33 | gouverneur | to be precise: "Network error" |
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| 12:24.31 | mgedmin | Khertan, what I'm gently trying to point out is that ubuntu one and dropbox are two different products |
| 12:24.40 | mgedmin | and I'm not sure now which one you're talking about |
| 12:25.00 | Khertan | ah sorry ... i was talking about dropbox |
| 12:25.16 | Khertan | but ubuntu one has some closed part too right ? |
| 12:25.21 | mgedmin | the server is closed |
| 12:25.34 | mgedmin | they have published protocol specs afaiu |
| 12:25.35 | Khertan | not the client ? |
| 12:25.46 | mgedmin | I'm pretty sure the client is entirely open-source |
| 12:26.04 | mgedmin | the name is silly, though -- they'd've done better not to name it "ubuntu one" if they wanted other distros to pick it up |
| 12:26.42 | Khertan | hum ... not only the name is silly |
| 12:26.48 | Khertan | but hum ... it s still beta :) |
| 12:27.04 | Khertan | so i ll not made bad comment on it |
| 12:27.16 | Khertan | sync is a difficult things to do |
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| 12:27.23 | mgedmin | sync is hard |
| 12:27.28 | mgedmin | which is why I never trusted sync |
| 12:27.45 | Khertan | this is also why i ven't released yet mnotes |
| 12:27.47 | mgedmin | which tends to cause me pain when I need to, e.g., migrate phones |
| 12:27.50 | Khertan | and the mnotes web ui |
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| 12:28.04 | mgedmin | the only sync I trust is sync I understand, which means revision control |
| 12:28.13 | mgedmin | my tomboy notes are in subversion |
| 12:28.17 | Khertan | héhé |
| 12:28.21 | mgedmin | it doesn't work as well as you might expect |
| 12:28.50 | Khertan | my tomboy note are all scratched due to multiple sync between conboy / ubuntuone / tomboy on my desktop |
| 12:28.58 | lizardo | Khertan: did you try pyside-qt4-opengl ? |
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| 12:29.15 | Khertan | and to be honest i like conboy on n900 but not tomboy on windows or linux |
| 12:29.27 | antii | ugh, cant seem to sync my calender with googles calander. i have set it up with exchange but still cant see my events :s |
| 12:29.40 | Khertan | lizardo: i ve try the simple example 2dpainting.py from pyside example |
| 12:29.43 | mgedmin | I wish conboy had fewer bugs ... |
| 12:29.54 | Khertan | lizardo: it s require pyopengl |
| 12:29.56 | mgedmin | I keep adding bulleted lists and conboy forgets the bullets as soon as I close it |
| 12:30.02 | Khertan | lizardo: which doesn't seems to be available |
| 12:30.03 | mgedmin | making it just a series of lines |
| 12:30.12 | Khertan | lizardo: (same with all pyside example) |
| 12:30.48 | Khertan | lizardo: i didn't look more as i'm pretty much don't know qt |
| 12:31.17 | Khertan | but i didn't understand why it s require pyopengl ... as i think the opengl part was done with qt |
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| 12:32.23 | lizardo | Khertan: which errors do you get when running the 2dpainting example ? |
| 12:32.44 | lizardo | Khertan: the exact errors, I mean |
| 12:33.18 | Khertan | i didn't got any error ... just a qt dialog saying that it s require pyopengl |
| 12:34.43 | Khertan | PyOpenGL must be installed to run this example |
| 12:35.09 | pupnik | Khertan: any interest in brushing-up mypaint for maemo? |
| 12:35.23 | Khertan | mypaint ? |
| 12:35.44 | Khertan | http://mypaint.intilinux.com/ |
| 12:35.49 | Khertan | ok ... currently not :) |
| 12:35.51 | pupnik | a nice sketch app. i did an optimized build of the C engine |
| 12:35.52 | lizardo | Khertan: did you try just commenting out those try: ... except: ... part? |
| 12:36.03 | Khertan | none ... shame on me :) |
| 12:36.37 | lizardo | Khertan: note: I'm not saying it will work (never tried them) :) just trying to help |
| 12:36.44 | Khertan | lizardo: lol ... now it s works |
| 12:36.54 | Khertan | lizardo: yep yep ... thx for help |
| 12:37.38 | Khertan | strange ... native and opengl painting run at the same speed |
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| 12:48.36 | Cy8aer | reboot |
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| 12:48.52 | Cy8aer | ;-) I hate windows... |
| 12:49.01 | Cy8aer | sory |
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| 12:49.41 | Khertan | 1483 votes for maemo 5 dropbox client |
| 12:49.53 | Khertan | so there are at least 1483 n900 user |
| 12:49.53 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:50.15 | Arif_ | what's dropbox |
| 12:50.16 | Arif_ | :p |
| 12:50.24 | jacekowski | file hosting website |
| 12:50.54 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 12:51.05 | jacekowski | i was thinking about something like OTA sync for n900 |
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| 12:52.34 | jacekowski | but rsync isn't good enough to steal |
| 12:52.43 | jacekowski | so i have to make something on my own |
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| 12:56.41 | MiXu- | jacekowski: OTA sync - like calendar, contacts, etc? |
| 12:56.48 | jacekowski | and files |
| 12:56.54 | jacekowski | and everything |
| 12:56.57 | MiXu- | There's SyncEvolution GUI for syncing |
| 12:57.02 | MiXu- | but it doesn't do files afaik |
| 12:57.24 | jacekowski | what i'm thinking of is something like that |
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| 12:57.42 | MiXu- | It works quite nicely |
| 12:57.48 | jacekowski | you go to the file/folder that you want to be sent to your n900 |
| 12:58.01 | jacekowski | right click -> send to -> my N900 |
| 12:58.08 | nid0 | what exactly is wrong with an rsync frontend again? |
| 12:58.24 | MiXu- | jacekowski: You can do that with Filezilla I think. |
| 12:58.37 | jacekowski | and you get nice popup with latest directory structure |
| 12:58.55 | jacekowski | ( or current one if n900 has internet/wifi connection ) |
| 12:59.38 | jacekowski | you click where you want file/folder to go |
| 13:00.07 | jacekowski | and it's sent as soon as n900 has internet/wifi connection |
| 13:00.43 | jacekowski | so no more usb, using filezilla, whatever |
| 13:01.08 | jacekowski | data is sent in background and automaticaly resumed if phone loses connections |
| 13:01.11 | jacekowski | connection* |
| 13:01.17 | MiXu- | Yes, that would be nice. |
| 13:01.40 | jacekowski | and rsync has couple limitations that would prevent it |
| 13:01.54 | jacekowski | + issue with most providers NATing their customers |
| 13:02.14 | nid0 | the only problem with that if you're establishing the connection from server side getting to the n900 connected via wifi would require router configuration as almost everyone's gonna be behind nat |
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| 13:02.17 | Khertan | yep it s require a server to handle sync |
| 13:02.31 | jacekowski | so it would require some server that would temporary store data to be sent |
| 13:03.20 | jacekowski | nid0: that's why i'm thinking about pc detecting if it's in same network as phone - and then data gets sent directly over reasonably fast wifi |
| 13:03.34 | jacekowski | nid0: and if it's not it goes to server and phone downloads it from there |
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| 13:04.35 | jacekowski | svn like thing would be nice - but afaik there is no way to just store latest changeset |
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| 13:05.56 | crashanddie | jacekowski: git? |
| 13:06.57 | jacekowski | same thing |
| 13:07.03 | jacekowski | and there are other issues as well |
| 13:07.04 | crashanddie | not really |
| 13:07.20 | jacekowski | imagine text file |
| 13:07.30 | jacekowski | modified on phone and pc |
| 13:07.35 | jacekowski | that would fail |
| 13:07.49 | crashanddie | not if you define one master and one copy |
| 13:07.59 | crashanddie | and force the merger transparently |
| 13:08.08 | Khertan | crashanddie: this is how i scratch all my mnotes |
| 13:08.13 | crashanddie | ok, so what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:09.34 | Khertan | someone have try pyside opengl on n900 ? it s look like the gl 2d painting is slower than the native one |
| 13:09.35 | Khertan | strange |
| 13:09.38 | Khertan | isn't it ? |
| 13:10.21 | wazd | wow, Russia vs Canada today |
| 13:10.29 | crashanddie | jacekowski: what about ftp? |
| 13:11.03 | tybollt | wazd: I think russia will win |
| 13:11.05 | tybollt | easily |
| 13:11.13 | tybollt | hell even US beat canada |
| 13:11.35 | wazd | tybollt: well, I wouldn't be so sure :D |
| 13:12.03 | tybollt | wazd: seriously. |
| 13:12.34 | tybollt | wazd: Put yer money where your mouth is. I'm in for 100USD on .ru, you up for it? |
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| 13:13.49 | wazd | tybollt: even though I'm from Russia, I'm still not sure :D |
| 13:14.25 | tybollt | wazd: you see ovetjkin tackle jagr? |
| 13:14.27 | tybollt | wow! |
| 13:15.19 | Arif_ | is trying out all the 5 themes for maemo :P |
| 13:15.24 | wazd | tybollt: well, that was Jagr's fault :) |
| 13:15.40 | thresh | tybollt: Ovechkin |
| 13:15.46 | thresh | and he was uber-cool |
| 13:16.02 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 13:16.12 | Arif_ | likes Dark Sky the best till now |
| 13:16.37 | tybollt | thresh: Huh? http://alexovetjkin.blogspot.com/ |
| 13:17.33 | tybollt | wazd: ovetjkin or ovechkin? |
| 13:17.34 | thresh | tybollt: someone cant read |
| 13:17.43 | thresh | look at his jersey, ffs |
| 13:18.08 | wazd | tybollt: thresh is from Russia too, trust him :P |
| 13:18.09 | tybollt | that's NHL anglo spelling of a russian name |
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| 13:18.15 | thresh | that's stupid |
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| 13:18.17 | thresh | we know best :P |
| 13:18.28 | tybollt | bah :) |
| 13:18.37 | wazd | daaaamn |
| 13:18.42 | thresh | http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/Brushback/OvechkinMalkin.jpg |
| 13:18.46 | tybollt | so why is it spelled "ovetjkin" in some places then? |
| 13:19.01 | thresh | because some people are dumb |
| 13:19.05 | wazd | CSKA vs Sevilla today! |
| 13:19.25 | tybollt | thresh: meh |
| 13:19.47 | inz | The Ovetjkin seems to be the swedish transliteration |
| 13:20.23 | wazd | tybollt: seriously he's [o'veʧkin] |
| 13:20.29 | tybollt | D |
| 13:20.30 | tybollt | :D |
| 13:21.03 | tybollt | ??????? |
| 13:21.05 | tybollt | meh |
| 13:21.09 | tybollt | ENOUTF8 |
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| 13:21.37 | wazd | and [koval'ʧuk] :P |
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| 13:21.57 | tybollt | koval* |
| 13:21.59 | tybollt | ove* |
| 13:22.03 | tybollt | from now on :D |
| 13:22.17 | wazd | Kovi and Ovi actually :D |
| 13:22.24 | tybollt | anyway we can agree him taking care of Jagr was nothing but pure hockey pleasure :D |
| 13:23.00 | juhovh | in Finland they spell it Ovetškin just for reference :P |
| 13:23.17 | juhovh | which should be quite close to the pronunciatino |
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| 13:25.45 | Arif_ | blinks |
| 13:26.55 | tybollt | juhovh: It's like "Teemu Seläne" is ... "Teeeeeeaaaaaaamo Selaaaaane" in NHL... very confusing... |
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| 13:27.28 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 13:27.37 | Arif_ | this livlsteel fire theme looks good too |
| 13:28.17 | hrw | Owietczkin? |
| 13:28.17 | juhovh | yeah |
| 13:28.38 | thresh | that's why i'm usually Kostya to my foreign friends |
| 13:29.03 | hrw | thresh: or Kostia for slavic ones |
| 13:29.38 | tybollt | thresh: as in opposed to your full name being ... ? |
| 13:29.43 | thresh | Konstantin |
| 13:29.53 | thresh | as written in /whois :) |
| 13:30.07 | tybollt | oh people still put their names in there these days? |
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| 13:30.24 | adeus | sure why not |
| 13:30.25 | hrw | tybollt: it makes things easier often |
| 13:30.27 | tybollt | I thought it was all "fuck off" for many years :) |
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| 13:30.50 | satmd | hm, is there a page showing screenshots of all these themes? |
| 13:31.07 | satmd | found Reflect on w.m.o |
| 13:31.47 | Arif_ | install them :P |
| 13:31.56 | Khertan | w.m.o ? |
| 13:32.06 | satmd | www.maemo.org? :P |
| 13:32.07 | Arif_ | or look in the themes category in the forums |
| 13:32.10 | Khertan | ah arf |
| 13:32.22 | satmd | oh. good idea. |
| 13:32.52 | Khertan | ahm trying some prefix ... warrior.maemo.org ... wontfix.maemo.org ... windows.maemo.org |
| 13:33.04 | wazd | hihihiiiiii |
| 13:33.08 | Khertan | but never it s come in mind that it could be www |
| 13:33.22 | wazd | my Theming Guide was translated via GS for *russian* forum :D |
| 13:34.24 | Arif_ | hm |
| 13:34.31 | Arif_ | themes need their own category methinks |
| 13:34.42 | Khertan | hum my game vectormine didn't have success ... :( |
| 13:34.43 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-3/ |
| 13:35.01 | Khertan | :( |
| 13:35.28 | pupnik | just saw it today |
| 13:35.28 | juhovh | what means didn't have success? |
| 13:35.47 | nid0 | please *please* add an option to turn off sounds, srsly :( |
| 13:36.04 | Khertan | not many comment on talk or maemofrance |
| 13:36.05 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:36.15 | Khertan | nid0: that it s a good comment |
| 13:36.16 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:36.39 | juhovh | so it was just an ad :P |
| 13:36.48 | nid0 | downloaded it for a test yesterday, got as far as the first note emanating from my speakers and had to go switch to silent mode |
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| 13:36.52 | Arif_ | votes it down :P |
| 13:36.59 | mece | WTF? I think ssh server crashed my N900... |
| 13:37.11 | mece | or well messed with my xterm at least. |
| 13:37.12 | Khertan | nid0: seriously you need a an option to turn sound off ? as personnaly just lower volume |
| 13:37.31 | Khertan | juhovh: not s really an add ... just talking and ask for testers :) |
| 13:37.38 | Khertan | s/add/ad |
| 13:37.44 | pupnik | non-big-name games will find users slowly Khertan |
| 13:37.58 | juhovh | I suggest just asking for testers in that case :) |
| 13:38.02 | Khertan | pupnik: oh ... :( |
| 13:38.09 | nid0 | i think it'd be politer to have an option to shut down the game's sound without needing to kill sound for everything else on the device while playing it, thats just imo but i'd prefer one |
| 13:38.09 | juhovh | because "no success" sounded like "didn't get into repository" to me |
| 13:38.10 | SpeedEvil | add a blog post with some video maybe |
| 13:38.30 | Khertan | juhovh: yep you can see it like that too ... :) |
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| 13:38.44 | Khertan | juhovh: but i got so many problem with the packaging :) |
| 13:39.07 | juhovh | I see |
| 13:39.31 | Khertan | nid0: ok ... i note it on my todo list for next version |
| 13:39.56 | Khertan | SpeedEvil: yep ... but before i prefer made it available to extras :) |
| 13:40.24 | nid0 | is the only difference between 1.0.2-3 in the qa queue and 1.0.4-3 a working bugtracker link? |
| 13:41.06 | Khertan | pupnik: you mean that i should rename VectorMine to VectorMine-ACloneOfStormMineOnVectrex |
| 13:41.07 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:41.21 | Khertan | nid0: and one or two small optimization |
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| 13:46.23 | pupnik | vectormine is a good name |
| 13:47.19 | ShadowJK | hm, do the maemo mailing lists see if you're on CC and then not send you a dup from the mailing list |
| 13:47.34 | ShadowJK | or is my too-complicated-to-understand mailing system automatically chucking away stuff... |
| 13:48.46 | corecode | if it is mailman then you can set this option yourself |
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| 13:51.00 | javispedro | RST38h: say, if you want, I could create a garage page+tracker for vultures |
| 13:51.06 | javispedro | s/tracker/bugzilla |
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| 13:51.55 | javispedro | but since this time nobody is going to use the VCS, just ask for the bugzilla component... |
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| 13:55.46 | ShadowJK | corecode, ah, thanks |
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| 13:57.54 | pablo2 | Hi guys , How to i use Xautomation in maemo? has .deb ? |
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| 14:06.03 | Rneksp | http://tinyurl.com/yko2qsghttp://tinyurl.com/yko2qsg |
| 14:06.05 | Rneksp | http://tinyurl.com/yko2qsg |
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| 14:07.05 | Arif_ | why do I have the urge to not click that... |
| 14:07.24 | nid0 | its just a bullshit porn pyramid scheme |
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| 14:08.08 | Arif_ | aw |
| 14:08.13 | Arif_ | no trojans? :p |
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| 14:08.30 | nid0 | it does actually seem clean |
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| 14:18.28 | ShadowJK | btw I wonder.. since Meego doesn't seem to expect to have much anything to do with end-users (or atleast that's the impression I get), the idea of scrapping maemo.org is probably premature.. |
| 14:19.27 | Stskeepz | maemo.org still has a lot of life, yeah |
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| 14:20.34 | scapor | Hi. Is it somehow possible to get on the internet with my n900 using the usb-cable, by using the wired internet connection of my PC, so instead of tethering, the opposite should happen ? |
| 14:20.46 | scapor | Somehow I'd have to share the internet connection of my pc over a usb port ? |
| 14:21.10 | Arif_ | you don't have a wireless modem? :| |
| 14:21.17 | javispedro | oh, the omap has a hardware crypto accelerator? |
| 14:21.23 | Lumpio- | Presumably it should work if you set USB networking up the same way as with tethering, but do the routing stuff on your desktop PC |
| 14:21.25 | thresh | scapor: yes, look for usb networking |
| 14:21.34 | hrw | ShadowJK: lot of time will pass until meego will give something more then website+ml |
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| 14:21.53 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeepz, what do we do with the whole MeeGo naming issue, though? :\ |
| 14:22.00 | scapor | and is it possible with a windows host to share the network over usb ? |
| 14:22.19 | hrw | -> food |
| 14:22.32 | Stskeepz | GeneralAntilles: is maemo.org a software or a hardware community? :) |
| 14:22.35 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, since nokia is changing naming schemes anyway, they could just call the next phone "Nokia Maemo 6" |
| 14:22.45 | javispedro | softhardware! |
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| 14:22.57 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeepz, it's Nokia's trademark. |
| 14:23.01 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows what they'll decide to do. |
| 14:23.17 | Stskeepz | we should rename ourself to "the org" |
| 14:23.18 | Stskeepz | :P |
| 14:23.31 | ShadowJK | maemo.org is a much better end-user forum than the terrible nokia.com equivalent.. :) |
| 14:23.33 | javispedro | naa, too much like "the operative" |
| 14:23.38 | tybollt | I want nokia to introduce a knock-off of the classic "SEGAAAAAAAAAA" intro in the opening sequence w/ the hands reaching each other and then a "NOKIAAAAAAAA" |
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| 14:23.50 | tybollt | (Yes, I'm entirelly _on_ topic!) |
| 14:24.06 | Arif_ | why not "MEEGOOOOOOOOOOO" |
| 14:24.09 | Arif_ | :P |
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| 14:24.14 | tybollt | yeah |
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| 14:24.17 | tybollt | me likey |
| 14:24.21 | viukkis | it's-a-me, meego! |
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| 14:24.32 | tybollt | "Mefooool!" everytime you start the device - nice |
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| 14:25.29 | TriztFromWork | Was there any fixes for wifi-problems in the coming release? |
| 14:25.46 | ShadowJK | there were some wifi fixes in 1.1.1 i believe |
| 14:25.48 | tybollt | wonders if Stskeepz (z?) is busy aiming his scud missiles at me olready? :) |
| 14:26.04 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeepz, so maemo.org is the user community for MeeGo? |
| 14:26.08 | GeneralAntilles | That makes no sense at all. |
| 14:26.09 | TriztFromWork | ShadowJK; for me it looked as it wnet to the worse |
| 14:26.20 | tybollt | GeneralAntilles: indeed, none at all |
| 14:26.22 | Stskeepz | GeneralAntilles: i am waiting for council to find itself |
| 14:26.22 | Stskeepz | :P |
| 14:27.02 | tybollt | Stskeepz: so any question we answer will be echo "Awaiting council meeting" from now on, eh? :P |
| 14:27.07 | pupnik | try Kobodeluxe in -devel!! |
| 14:27.17 | pupnik | needs controls fix |
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| 14:27.19 | javispedro | poor council |
| 14:27.24 | GeneralAntilles | Poor indeed |
| 14:27.40 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, no I'd say maemo.org is the user community for nokia maemo and meego devices.. |
| 14:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, that only makes 50% more sense. |
| 14:28.17 | Arif_ | what about meego.org and maemo.org being the same site :O |
| 14:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | Arif_, meego.org is owned by the Chinese. |
| 14:28.35 | ShadowJK | I suspect Meego to Nokia's meego-device is more like debian to maemo.. |
| 14:28.35 | Stskeeps | "maemo.org" "cos we didn't have meego.org" |
| 14:28.55 | javispedro | what a stupid name. and it even comes with chinese domains attached. |
| 14:29.12 | Arif_ | maybe they're willing to sell it |
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| 14:29.33 | javispedro | even meego.es is taken already |
| 14:29.46 | Arif_ | meego.com.tr! |
| 14:29.50 | javispedro | MeegoNet |
| 14:29.53 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, I have a feeling we will lose the bugzilla for the binary nokia stuff, on future nokia meego devices :-) |
| 14:30.00 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, so do I. |
| 14:30.07 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, thus the backsliding on bug #630. |
| 14:30.08 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630 Increased Bugzilla transparency - get the developers involved! |
| 14:30.12 | TriztFromWork | you could use meego.org.uk ;) |
| 14:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | cares less and less, though. |
| 14:30.16 | drizztbsd | hi |
| 14:30.23 | Stskeeps | on the other hand, more things get default open bugzilla |
| 14:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo fail |
| 14:30.31 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'll believe it when I see it. |
| 14:30.37 | drizztbsd | where can I found the adobe-flashplayer*.deb that I have installed on my n900? |
| 14:30.55 | Stskeeps | drizztbsd: closed source, non-redistributable |
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| 14:31.23 | pupnik | les not get panties TOO much in a bunch here... |
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| 14:31.37 | drizztbsd | Stskeeps: so there is not an x86 version? |
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| 14:31.51 | drizztbsd | (to debug a flash-based website with scratchbox) |
| 14:31.58 | Stskeeps | no, not afaik |
| 14:32.05 | drizztbsd | ok thanks |
| 14:32.08 | Stskeeps | well |
| 14:32.09 | javispedro | you can grab the x86 version from adobe.com |
| 14:32.11 | Stskeeps | not public at least. |
| 14:32.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:32.36 | javispedro | but if you want to debug... i'm sure it does not even resemble the arm version at all. |
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| 14:34.02 | javispedro | so instead of bugs.maemo.org we could have bugzilla.tabletux.meego.com ;) |
| 14:34.38 | ShadowJK | Seems closed source stuff will not be dealth with at meego.com :) |
| 14:34.42 | GeneralAntilles | wishes they wouldn't use bugzilla.meego.com |
| 14:34.49 | Stskeeps | bugs.meego.com? |
| 14:34.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:34.52 | GeneralAntilles | Indeed |
| 14:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | Shorter |
| 14:35.03 | GeneralAntilles | and the tool matters less than the content. |
| 14:35.13 | javispedro | bugs.maemo.nokia.com ;) |
| 14:35.16 | GeneralAntilles | "bugs" means something to more people than "bugzilla". |
| 14:35.24 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I want a pony, too. |
| 14:35.28 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: yes, and also hides an implementation detail. |
| 14:35.36 | javispedro | err... not the pony, but "bugs" vs "bugzilla" |
| 14:36.10 | drizztbsd | moblin uses the standard fedora flash release iirc |
| 14:36.41 | javispedro | maemo is not moblin, at least, yet. |
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| 14:39.24 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: ping |
| 14:39.38 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: can catorize put '(e)mail' into _both_ Network and Office? |
| 14:39.42 | timeless_mbp | i expect mail to be in office |
| 14:39.49 | timeless_mbp | and i constantly kick myself about it |
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| 14:41.21 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: does b.m.c require a special pony? |
| 14:41.44 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, the pony, in this case, would be a bugs.maemo.nokia.com for Nokia closed-source components. |
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| 14:42.06 | timeless_mbp | i can't log into bugzilla.meego.c |
| 14:42.07 | javispedro | nokia closed-source components and device-specific bugs |
| 14:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, it's not public yet. |
| 14:42.50 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: where are they planning for it? |
| 14:43.00 | timeless_mbp | it'd be really nice if they had given me the chance to give help |
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| 14:50.07 | bergie | BTW, this should make maemo.org - meego.com interaction a lot easier: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/register_and_log_into_meego-com_using_your_maemo-org_account/ |
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| 14:50.44 | pupnik | ty bergie |
| 14:50.48 | javispedro | ah nice |
| 14:51.03 | javispedro | can we setup multiple openid identities in meego can we? |
| 14:51.08 | bergie | javispedro: yep |
| 14:51.12 | javispedro | it's nice to see an openid consumer from time to time |
| 14:51.18 | bergie | I'm using both maemo.org and my own blog there |
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| 14:55.08 | tybollt | < timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: where are they planning for it? |
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| 14:55.43 | tybollt | to hear that from an actual employee is very very deeply profusely disturbing... |
| 14:55.45 | timeless_mbp | oh sure, nick highlight me |
| 14:56.00 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: ^^^^^ |
| 14:56.01 | timeless_mbp | i don't work for LF, Meego or Intel! |
| 14:56.22 | tybollt | Tim E Less is pretending Nookla has notta to do w/ this... |
| 14:56.33 | tybollt | Not involved... |
| 14:56.58 | dneary | Hi |
| 14:57.01 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: You will allow me to be a bitter cynic, please. |
| 14:57.07 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 14:57.07 | dneary | andre__, png? |
| 14:57.13 | timeless_mbp | just leave me in peace : |
| 14:57.38 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: Not attacking you at all, sorry if that is how I came across... |
| 14:58.36 | andre__ | dneary, pong |
| 15:00.27 | Corsac | bwarf, openid is nowhere related to authentification |
| 15:00.52 | mgedmin | Corsac, what is it related to then? |
| 15:01.02 | Corsac | I'm not sure |
| 15:01.19 | Corsac | mgedmin: does meego.com trust *any* openid provider? |
| 15:01.32 | Corsac | (meego.com or any other openid consumer, for that matter) |
| 15:01.46 | mgedmin | openid replaces usernames and passwords |
| 15:01.48 | bergie | Corsac: OpenID is federated identity and authentication... http://openidexplained.com/ |
| 15:01.49 | mgedmin | it doesn't replace accounts |
| 15:02.11 | mgedmin | typically on any site I'd have to log in using openid and then create an account |
| 15:02.26 | villemv | Corsac: launchad openid works fine for me on meego |
| 15:02.37 | bergie | mgedmin: meego.com does this pretty nicely, it creates you the account from your openid identity |
| 15:02.50 | mgedmin | goes and registers there then |
| 15:02.50 | bergie | villemv: yep, and you can associate that *and* maemo.org if you like |
| 15:02.59 | dneary | andre__, I'd drop the Beamer discussion - it's going nowhere :) |
| 15:03.07 | villemv | bergie: so I can log in w/ openid to maemo.org now? |
| 15:03.11 | andre__ | dneary, yeah. was also my last email :) |
| 15:03.38 | villemv | or just use 2 alternative openid providers for meego? |
| 15:03.43 | bergie | villemv: nope, because maemo.org relies on Garage's accounts (long story) |
| 15:03.56 | bergie | villemv: but meego.com allows you to associate multiple openids with same account |
| 15:04.00 | villemv | alright |
| 15:04.05 | villemv | I think I'm ok with just one ;-) |
| 15:04.37 | bergie | villemv: associating maemo.org account now may be useful *if* we transfer some services from maemo.org to meego.com later |
| 15:04.41 | mgedmin | whistles impatiently and ponders the downsides of greylisting |
| 15:05.59 | villemv | I'm actually a bit confused with maemo.org accounts... I have to use different passwords for different sites. I can never remember which is which |
| 15:06.32 | mgedmin | yeah |
| 15:06.35 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: it wasn't an attack |
| 15:06.39 | timeless_mbp | it was nick highlighting |
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| 15:06.57 | timeless_mbp | you're welcome to attack any entity you like, i just don't want to be nick highlighted when you do so :) |
| 15:07.11 | gouverneur | X-Fade: did talk just die? |
| 15:07.37 | SpeedEvil | dfm |
| 15:07.43 | crashanddie | OK, this is slightly disturbing |
| 15:07.47 | X-Fade | gouverneur: no. |
| 15:07.51 | gouverneur | mmhp |
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| 15:08.02 | crashanddie | Jaffa: remember that shot of you drinking a beer, and behind you there's a poster of naked men? |
| 15:08.20 | gouverneur | ah now it works again, was unresponsive for about 5 minutes... |
| 15:08.49 | crashanddie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4000512697/ |
| 15:09.12 | Corsac | i saw that movie ¬¬ |
| 15:09.22 | crashanddie | it's kinda a popular one, and the main referer to it is bing, with the query "drunk naked men" |
| 15:09.47 | Arif_ | why would anyone look for drunk naked men? |
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| 15:09.53 | Corsac | you don't want to know |
| 15:09.58 | crashanddie | beats me |
| 15:10.00 | Arif_ | you're right |
| 15:10.01 | tybollt | while :; do printf "timeless_mbp" ; done |
| 15:10.03 | Arif_ | I don't :D |
| 15:10.05 | crashanddie | anyway, good night |
| 15:10.08 | timeless_mbp | ... |
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| 15:10.43 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: jajaja, point taken. |
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| 15:13.03 | corecode | is there a way to jump to the next page in the pdf viewer? |
| 15:13.07 | corecode | in fullscreen? |
| 15:13.20 | corecode | or even *gasp* use portrait? |
| 15:13.30 | timeless_mbp | corecode: tap the right edge of the window? |
| 15:13.46 | corecode | where? |
| 15:13.54 | corecode | to de-fullscreenize it? |
| 15:13.55 | timeless_mbp | in full screen |
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| 15:14.15 | timeless_mbp | 50% down the screen on the right side there's a button you can press (to the left of the scrollbar) |
| 15:14.22 | timeless_mbp | it's invisible, but will appear when tapped |
| 15:14.28 | corecode | ah |
| 15:14.29 | corecode | hmm |
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| 15:14.35 | mikkov | X-Fade: nice counter in downloads page :) |
| 15:14.39 | timeless_mbp | it appears temporarily when the document loads |
| 15:14.53 | timeless_mbp | i don't think there's a portrait mode |
| 15:15.02 | timeless_mbp | but keep in mind that PDF is a document oriented file format |
| 15:15.08 | X-Fade | mikkov: Well, somebody needs to make it beautiful, but it works ;) |
| 15:15.16 | timeless_mbp | which means if you did have portrait, you wouldn't be able to read the doucment at all |
| 15:15.20 | timeless_mbp | s/uc/cu/ |
| 15:15.25 | timeless_mbp | total waste |
| 15:15.37 | nid0 | sigh, dodgy 3g service is /wrists |
| 15:15.51 | timeless_mbp | web pages /could/ work in portrait, OnlyIf they didn't try to honor page author requests |
| 15:16.00 | timeless_mbp | which sadly, desktop oriented browsers do try to honor,... |
| 15:16.16 | corecode | timeless_mbp: thanks! |
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| 15:18.03 | corecode | well, pages tend to be used in portrait, so being able to turn the pdf viewer would be good |
| 15:18.06 | mgedmin | meego account creation asks for my country |
| 15:18.13 | mgedmin | but they don't use it to pick a sane default timezone |
| 15:18.30 | mikkov | X-Fade: download statistics for OS2008 seems mostly broken :) |
| 15:18.39 | tybollt | so meego is EPICFAIL olready at account creationg stage - this is gunna be funneh |
| 15:19.02 | timeless_mbp | corecode: um |
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| 15:19.11 | timeless_mbp | pages are physically larger than a cell phone |
| 15:19.20 | timeless_mbp | and cell phones don't come w/ magnifying glasses |
| 15:19.32 | timeless_mbp | if your pdf is a map, that's one thing |
| 15:19.41 | X-Fade | mikkov: Well, no. They are just extremely low it seems. |
| 15:19.54 | timeless_mbp | if it's text, then you will not find trying to use a pdf in portrait works well |
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| 15:20.04 | corecode | timeless_mbp: i see |
| 15:20.10 | matthew- | Hmmm, anyone using AIM on your n900? |
| 15:20.14 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: reminds me of that dilbert strip... where the PHB calls ratbert at support asking what to do when his mouse has reached the end of the table... :-) |
| 15:20.20 | mikkov | X-Fade: some of the apps are missing the graph completely |
| 15:20.23 | matthew- | I'm adding the account and it says 'not signed in' all the time |
| 15:20.27 | tybollt | s/end/edge |
| 15:20.36 | timeless_mbp | end works |
| 15:20.41 | timeless_mbp | (edge is better) |
| 15:20.42 | X-Fade | mikkov: Then I have no mention of them in the last 90 days in the download logs. |
| 15:21.04 | X-Fade | mikkov: Or they aren't flagged to be in extras. |
| 15:21.13 | X-Fade | mikkov: Do you have an example? |
| 15:21.21 | mikkov | X-Fade: battlegweled |
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| 15:21.48 | pta0007 | anyone knows what is what is printf-debugging? |
| 15:22.17 | mikkov | X-Fade: there are more. OMWeather graph looks strange too, but it's possible that everybody just stopped using their tablets :) |
| 15:22.36 | spectre- | has anyone had cups running on their n900's? |
| 15:22.46 | mgedmin | pta0007, it's when you insert printf statements into your source code to get an idea of what your app is doing |
| 15:22.54 | mgedmin | the simplest form of debugging |
| 15:23.01 | mgedmin | requires least amount of tool support |
| 15:23.03 | X-Fade | mikkov: No mention of battlegweled in last 90 days. |
| 15:23.08 | X-Fade | mikkov: only on fremantle. |
| 15:23.42 | timeless_mbp | wonders what 'application/x-nokia-teh-rtp' is |
| 15:23.46 | X-Fade | mikkov: For omweather: we now have daily stats so peaks are 7 times as low as before ;) |
| 15:23.47 | timeless_mbp | (google isn't being helpful) |
| 15:24.01 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: "teh", really? |
| 15:24.03 | mikkov | X-Fade: all graps show that all N800/N810 users stopped downloading apps on dec 1, 2009 |
| 15:24.09 | matthew- | No one? :) |
| 15:24.13 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: really, google says it isn't misspelled |
| 15:24.17 | tybollt | :-S |
| 15:24.20 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't explain wtf it is |
| 15:24.28 | timeless_mbp | but it says that people agree it's written that way |
| 15:24.29 | mikkov | X-Fade: see maemo-mapper |
| 15:24.31 | X-Fade | mikkov: That is when I switched to daily stats. |
| 15:24.35 | timeless_mbp | (the symbian sources are where i found it fwiw) |
| 15:25.30 | matthew- | no? |
| 15:25.30 | matthew- | ;] |
| 15:25.35 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: anyway rtp... innit sommat to do w/ hmm realmedia shitz? |
| 15:25.44 | timeless_mbp | it should be, yes |
| 15:25.49 | timeless_mbp | still doesn't explain 'teh' |
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| 15:25.52 | timeless_mbp | another gem: nbrOfAgeed |
| 15:26.04 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: yes the "teh" part is very annoying, I agreee |
| 15:26.10 | tybollt | I agree, too. |
| 15:26.12 | mikkov | X-Fade: mplayer downloads stopped too on dec 1 |
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| 15:26.40 | X-Fade | mikkov: They didn't stop. Zoom in. |
| 15:26.48 | X-Fade | mikkov: They are just very low. |
| 15:27.09 | X-Fade | mikkov: And this javascript graph doesn't rescale. |
| 15:27.17 | mikkov | X-Fade: ok, dropped from several hundred to practically 0 |
| 15:27.41 | X-Fade | mikkov: several hundred / 7 = low |
| 15:28.18 | mikkov | X-Fade: ah, the scale changes in middle of graph? |
| 15:28.37 | X-Fade | mikkov: Yeah, basically old values need to be interpolated. |
| 15:29.15 | mikkov | X-Fade: ok, now I understand. |
| 15:29.55 | mikkov | conclusion, nobody is using old NITs anymore |
| 15:30.20 | X-Fade | mikkov: Not nobody, but it is significantly lower than N900 usage. |
| 15:30.43 | aquatix | myeah, i don't get any updates for os2008 on my n810 except for omweather now and then |
| 15:30.49 | aquatix | so why bother checking :) |
| 15:33.16 | X-Fade | mikkov: Check maemo-mapper now. |
| 15:33.27 | X-Fade | mikkov: for os2008 |
| 15:34.51 | mikkov | X-Fade: it looks the same, big drop on dec 1? |
| 15:35.10 | X-Fade | mikkov: refresh now, cleared cache. |
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| 15:35.29 | pupnik | mikkov: excellent kobodeluxe update. please add a "mouse" mode where stylus tap does not fire guns, but instead space or "x" (for lefthand) fires guns |
| 15:35.57 | mgedmin | or openarena-style proximity sensor |
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| 15:36.24 | mikkov | pupnik: I guess you have patch for it somewhere? |
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| 15:37.02 | pupnik | i did once. lost my ports archive though. will do it if you are not convinced |
| 15:37.10 | mikkov | mgedmin: for kobodeluxe? How is it different from openarena now? |
| 15:37.29 | mgedmin | mikkov, I haven't tired the n900 port for kobodeluxe |
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| 15:38.09 | pupnik | accel is cute but not comparable to stylus for dodging |
| 15:38.10 | mgedmin | I was just thinking that pupnik's suggestion of using space or "x" would make it impossible to play kobodeluxe with the keyboard closed |
| 15:38.15 | X-Fade | mikkov: omweather now makes a lot more sense too. |
| 15:38.19 | pupnik | it would |
| 15:38.29 | mgedmin | and I remembered how openarena solved that: by (ab)using the n900's proximity sensor as a "key" |
| 15:39.08 | pupnik | play the game to level six or more a few times, then discuss |
| 15:39.19 | mikkov | mgedmin: well kobodeluxe is using proximity sensor. I even ripped the function directly from ioquake3 engine |
| 15:39.27 | mgedmin | ah, cool! |
| 15:39.32 | mgedmin | awesome! |
| 15:39.51 | mgedmin | I must've misunderstood pupnik's suggestion then |
| 15:40.07 | mikkov | pupnik: I have played to level 20 something, although with easy level |
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| 15:40.57 | mikkov | X-Fade: I am tryin to see the updated graphs with IE now, but it shows just blank white |
| 15:41.14 | X-Fade | mikkov: Doesn't support canvas. |
| 15:41.23 | X-Fade | mikkov: Or something like that. |
| 15:41.38 | thp | how is this widget called? http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5771/m5whichwidget.png |
| 15:41.40 | pupnik | obviously folks have idiosyncratic control preferences, myself included :) |
| 15:41.51 | timeless_mbp | thp: group label? |
| 15:41.59 | mikkov | pupnik: so removing mouse fire would make kobo better? |
| 15:42.11 | JimiDini | how does one set up avatar at tmo? looking at profile-settings and don't see it :-/ |
| 15:42.15 | thp | timeless_mbp: is that in hildon or where do I find it? |
| 15:42.44 | pupnik | yes mousefire removes part of the skill |
| 15:43.00 | pupnik | if every movement fires |
| 15:43.15 | pupnik | also at higher levels the game limits firing rate |
| 15:43.34 | pupnik | so dodging must be seperate from firing |
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| 15:43.43 | mikkov | pupnik: ok, that's quite simple change then. |
| 15:44.51 | mikkov | or when thinking how kobo engine works, it can be a real pain to change it without breaking anything else |
| 15:45.00 | pupnik | perhaps implement by adding an additional mousemode (called tablet?) |
| 15:45.09 | pupnik | yes |
| 15:45.36 | pupnik | wonderful that you got the prerendered sounds working. it can be an excellent game now |
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| 15:45.51 | timeless_mbp | thp: hildon widgets would be here: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libhildon/hildon/ |
| 15:46.06 | timeless_mbp | i don't see anything relevant |
| 15:46.29 | timeless_mbp | thp: GtkFrame probably |
| 15:46.57 | mikkov | X-Fade: I restarted my browser, big drop in maemo-mapper graph still. But it's not that important anyway |
| 15:46.58 | thp | timeless_mbp: that's a good clue. will try to see if it's GtkFrame - thanks |
| 15:47.15 | X-Fade | mikkov: The whole graph should be in the same scale now. |
| 15:48.18 | thp | timeless_mbp: yep, it's a GtkFrame :) |
| 15:48.52 | timeless_mbp | thp: group label => groupbox => google gtk groupbox => suggestion to use gtkframe |
| 15:49.10 | timeless_mbp | oddly enough, there are files in mxr that talk about gtk group boxes, but they're all *Qt* files :o |
| 15:49.31 | mikkov | X-Fade: some caching still somewhere, I guess |
| 15:50.40 | pupnik | timeless_mbp: can i force browserd to really sleep? javascript pausing still leaves me with 48 pct cpu |
| 15:50.54 | pupnik | with 5 pages open |
| 15:53.58 | pupnik | i can use bookmarks to workaround |
| 15:54.02 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I started on some code to allow Catorise to have apps in multiple categories, but aborted it. It shouldn't be too hard. |
| 15:54.05 | Jaffa | croppa: aye |
| 15:54.12 | Jaffa | s/croppa/crashanddie/ |
| 15:54.26 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: :/ |
| 15:54.33 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: kill -STOP :) |
| 15:54.50 | johnsu01 | So it seems like more than half the time when I read mail with modest, it doesn't end up marking the messages as read on the server |
| 15:54.50 | timeless_mbp | my mac is going to die now |
| 15:54.57 | timeless_mbp | it's going to meet 10.6 on a new hdd |
| 15:55.09 | aquatix | johnsu01: there's a bug on that |
| 15:55.24 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: mmmh, new hdd *drools* SSD by any chance? |
| 15:55.28 | aquatix | i had the same issue years ago :) |
| 15:55.49 | johnsu01 | aquatix: not such a good issue for a mobile mail client to have :) |
| 15:56.03 | Arif_ | yawns |
| 15:56.05 | aquatix | nope, but has to do with them uptimising bandwidth usage |
| 15:56.24 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: no |
| 15:56.39 | timeless_mbp | my 300gb hdd is dying, ssd would be expensive and smaller |
| 15:56.42 | johnsu01 | aquatix: any ideas how to work around it? I mean, it has the correct information locally, so I wonder if there's a way to force it to submit the info |
| 15:56.45 | timeless_mbp | so i got a 500gb hdd replacement |
| 15:56.48 | timeless_mbp | bye all :) |
| 15:56.53 | derf | I saw a 512 GB SSD the other day. |
| 15:57.24 | tybollt | timeless: think cheap SSD to boot from and then cheap regular TB sata disk for storage |
| 15:57.30 | Arif_ | a 160GB SSD for OS/games + 2TB for data would be enough I guesss |
| 15:57.30 | Arif_ | :D |
| 15:57.36 | tybollt | arif++ |
| 15:58.06 | derf | 512 GB SSD: $1462.92. |
| 15:58.13 | tybollt | o_O |
| 15:58.19 | Arif_ | lol |
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| 15:58.27 | derf | I think the one I saw was cheaper, but you had to buy a laptop with it. |
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| 15:59.05 | Kegetys | I have 64GB SSD for OS+apps and then 1TB HDD for games, media, etc. on my main desktop |
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| 15:59.46 | Arif_ | I wonder if SSDs will decrease load times in games |
| 15:59.54 | nid0 | significantly |
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| 16:08.28 | GeneralAntilles | My X25-M is amazing |
| 16:09.13 | aquatix | thinks about getting an x18-m |
| 16:09.23 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: that 2nd gen version? |
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| 16:09.33 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, yeah, 80GB G2. |
| 16:10.08 | Arif_ | hm |
| 16:10.16 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I'd wait until Summer at this point. |
| 16:10.16 | Arif_ | considers buying a new monitor |
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| 16:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | They should start dropping fast soon. |
| 16:10.24 | Arif_ | 22" is too small now ;( |
| 16:10.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yo, timeless. |
| 16:10.26 | juhovh | 2 |
| 16:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | Er, timsamoff. |
| 16:10.33 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ah, that'd be nice |
| 16:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | Arif_, Samsung 2343bwx |
| 16:10.45 | GeneralAntilles | 22" is a terrible size |
| 16:10.46 | aquatix | and i can't seem to find the 2nd gen version of the x18-m yet here |
| 16:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | Since it's just a lower-PPI version of a 20" :P |
| 16:11.00 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, with the 1.8"? |
| 16:11.01 | Arif_ | I was thinking of a 32" TV with HDMI |
| 16:11.03 | timsamoff | Er, GeneralAntilles |
| 16:11.04 | aquatix | 24" and bigger++ |
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| 16:11.09 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
| 16:11.19 | nid0 | I had to send back a batch of x25's to nokia last year :( |
| 16:11.22 | aquatix | Arif_: that's still only 1920x1080 |
| 16:11.23 | nid0 | intel* |
| 16:11.39 | Arif_ | aquatix, this one's 1650x1080 :P |
| 16:11.50 | aquatix | meh :) |
| 16:11.58 | aquatix | likes his 24" 1920x1200 at work |
| 16:12.01 | nomis | Omweather automatic location totally fails on me. I don't get what is happening there. |
| 16:12.06 | aquatix | like my home tft even better ;) |
| 16:12.11 | Arif_ | =} |
| 16:12.22 | Arif_ | is poor and can't update so often :P |
| 16:12.28 | nid0 | nomis it messes up for me regularly too, I switched to forecaweather |
| 16:12.31 | aquatix | is broke now too ;) |
| 16:12.32 | nomis | is located in the middle of Siegen, Germany and OMWeather shows me weather information for Haguenau, which I suspect to be in france. |
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| 16:12.45 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, er, s/with/why/ |
| 16:12.47 | nid0 | every so often omweather just randomly records me as being the other end of the country for several hours at a time |
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| 16:13.01 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: because my ultraportable now has an 1.8" hdd |
| 16:13.04 | aquatix | which... sucks :) |
| 16:13.05 | Hydroxide | nomis: wikipedia confirms your suspicion |
| 16:13.19 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, interesting. |
| 16:13.21 | Arif_ | doesn't have omweather on at all |
| 16:13.31 | Arif_ | has a window he can look out of :D |
| 16:13.32 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: I have a Samsung X360 laptop |
| 16:13.47 | aquatix | nice little thing, but i should've bought the one with the ssd ;) |
| 16:13.52 | aquatix | but this was expensive as-is :( |
| 16:13.56 | Hydroxide | for me it gets the GPS location right, at least to within the correct city, but I did have to switch away from nokia's SUPL server to google's because of some issue with nokia's SUPL server on t-mobile USA. (already documented in bugs.maemo.org) |
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| 16:14.02 | Arif_ | has an X360 but it's not a laptop :( |
| 16:14.17 | Hydroxide | (the GPS actually works fine in general after that switch) |
| 16:14.39 | nid0 | I assume there must be an error in the database somewhere because when it gets my location wrong it always points me to one little village in scotland somewhere |
| 16:14.47 | aquatix | Arif_: googling for "hdd and x360" sucks indeed ;) |
| 16:14.49 | nid0 | rather than a gps fault as such |
| 16:14.53 | nomis | Hydroxide: I have confirmed that the information from the GPS subsystem is correct. |
| 16:14.56 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, isn't Samsung bundling their own crappy SSDs, though? |
| 16:15.03 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I don't think any OEMs are shipping Intels. |
| 16:15.11 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but the version with the ssd was 450 EUR more expensive |
| 16:15.18 | aquatix | so i went with the hdd version |
| 16:15.23 | aquatix | true |
| 16:15.30 | GeneralAntilles | The Samsung SSD is about the worst one available |
| 16:15.33 | aquatix | so now i'm thinking about getting that intel |
| 16:15.35 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 16:15.43 | aquatix | well, glad i didn't go with it then |
| 16:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | Indilinx is better |
| 16:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | But no OEMs ship that, either. |
| 16:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | Intel is the best, currently. |
| 16:15.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's weird |
| 16:16.10 | GeneralAntilles | The SSDs that OEMs ship often have WORSE performance than magnetic media. |
| 16:16.10 | ShadowJK | I think the jmicron ones are worse than samsung? |
| 16:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, they are, but do they still make them? |
| 16:16.26 | ShadowJK | *shrug* |
| 16:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | Either way, yeah JMicron on the worst. |
| 16:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | Samsung really isn't far behind, though. |
| 16:16.46 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, it's the staring-at-benchmarks syndrome anyway... people were staring blindly at sequential read/write speeds.. and alot still are |
| 16:17.16 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, the two AnandTech articles are pretty much the be-all-end-all on the subject of SSDs. |
| 16:17.23 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, indeed. |
| 16:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | The Intel ones are just unreal, though. |
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| 16:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | I'm glad I have some real drives in this computer, though. |
| 16:18.14 | aquatix | ah, just found a 1.8" postville |
| 16:18.18 | aquatix | 210 EUR |
| 16:18.19 | aquatix | hm |
| 16:18.20 | tybollt | All I know about SSD is ... BY GOD don't buy anything (typically early OCZ drivers) w/ a jmicron controller and you're reasonably safe. |
| 16:18.24 | GeneralAntilles | I find my Mini 9 utterly unsettling since it has no moving parts. |
| 16:18.25 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: :) |
| 16:18.30 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 16:18.35 | nid0 | this machine only has an intel ssd and velociraptor \o/ |
| 16:18.37 | aquatix | yeah, i have that too |
| 16:18.43 | tybollt | GeneralAntilles: You've the mini9 too? ssd or hdd? |
| 16:18.52 | GeneralAntilles | tybollt, the Mini 9 only ever came with SSD. |
| 16:18.53 | aquatix | tybollt: no moving parts ;) |
| 16:19.59 | tybollt | GeneralAntilles: I've been contemplating putting a crucial N215 in there |
| 16:20.36 | GeneralAntilles | tybollt, haven't heard anything about the Crucials |
| 16:20.39 | tybollt | GeneralAntilles: BUT I can't for the life of me find a doc describing what cotnroller it has... so I'm just guessing Curcial ain't saying on account of it being the shoddy jmicron shit... |
| 16:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | RunCore is generally the recommended one for speed |
| 16:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | But they're expensive. |
| 16:20.45 | johnsu01 | aquatix: when I had a 1.8, a put a dual CF adapter in the drive bay, with 2 16GB CF cards :) |
| 16:21.05 | johnsu01 | worked out really well |
| 16:21.21 | tybollt | GeneralAntilles: the crucial N215 (32GB) is <100EUR over here... so I'm very very tempted >:) |
| 16:21.53 | aquatix | johnsu01: hm |
| 16:22.08 | aquatix | johnsu01: somehow i think i can better get an x18-m |
| 16:22.13 | aquatix | more expensive though |
| 16:22.27 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, it's like a whole new world of computing |
| 16:22.31 | tybollt | I was kind of hoping to keep the Mini 9 mini wrt the price tag too ;P |
| 16:22.35 | aquatix | johnsu01: otherwise i'd rather stick with the hdd :) |
| 16:22.38 | GeneralAntilles | and that's coming off a dual-drive RAID0 in a desktop. |
| 16:22.43 | ShadowJK | you know, the first indilinx were optimized for sequential too, until anandtech tested a prototype from OCZ and told them "this sucks".. |
| 16:22.43 | GeneralAntilles | For a laptop. . . . |
| 16:22.46 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: :) |
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| 16:23.01 | ShadowJK | it's not inconceivable that there's a vendor out there stupid enough to go for the sequential speed benchmarks again |
| 16:23.49 | aquatix | yep |
| 16:24.16 | jaska | if theyre making ssd tape drives?:D |
| 16:24.21 | tybollt | vnedors stupid... naaaaaw - NEVARH HAPPENED! |
| 16:25.12 | johnsu01 | aquatix: yes, about 5x the price of the homebrew solution :) |
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| 16:25.20 | johnsu01 | and the homebrew is expandable |
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| 16:26.55 | Corsac | and slow? |
| 16:27.37 | aquatix | johnsu01: and 10x as slow |
| 16:27.51 | aquatix | and 2.3x as little storage :) |
| 16:28.06 | aquatix | not that it's no fun ;) |
| 16:28.20 | johnsu01 | that difference in drive speed is the bottleneck on your ultraportable? :) |
| 16:28.53 | aquatix | yep |
| 16:29.06 | aquatix | it's plenty fast |
| 16:29.06 | johnsu01 | skeptical :) |
| 16:29.13 | aquatix | ulv 1.2GHz c2d |
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| 16:29.37 | aquatix | able to do h264 720p and more |
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| 16:29.50 | aquatix | but the hdd is trashing when booting |
| 16:29.53 | aquatix | and such |
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| 16:31.51 | johnsu01 | yeah, that's why I replaced the horrible 1.8" HD in my X40, and that made a huge difference because the drive was only 4200rpm -- but I'm less sure that the difference between SSD speeds would make such a difference |
| 16:32.36 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 16:32.42 | Arif_ | VGBA just crashed on me |
| 16:32.43 | Arif_ | ;( |
| 16:32.48 | aquatix | Arif_: aww :) |
| 16:33.00 | Arif_ | and the sound still sucks ;D |
| 16:33.06 | aquatix | Arif_: then fix it ;) |
| 16:33.11 | Arif_ | how |
| 16:33.16 | aquatix | dunno |
| 16:33.19 | aquatix | never used it even |
| 16:33.22 | matthew- | Anyone uses AIM here? I've got a problem, when I add account it says 'Not Signed In' instead of Enabled.... Any ideas why? |
| 16:33.35 | Arif_ | I'll just wait a few versions untill it's usable |
| 16:34.08 | Arif_ | I'll play SNES/NES/GBC untill then! |
| 16:34.17 | Arif_ | and WHY hasn't anyone proter picodrive yet ;~; |
| 16:34.51 | Arif_ | I wanna play Sonic 3 ={ |
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| 16:35.31 | aquatix | gone |
| 16:35.50 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: i might wait till summer then :) |
| 16:35.52 | Arif_ | continues his ramblings |
| 16:35.53 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 16:35.58 | aquatix | Arif_: :) |
| 16:36.05 | aquatix | we continue to ignore them ;) |
| 16:36.09 | aquatix | hf though |
| 16:36.14 | Arif_ | you do that! |
| 16:36.19 | Arif_ | just like nokia does ;~; |
| 16:36.19 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 16:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, hopefully they drop soon. |
| 16:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | The last prediction was for Winter 2009, but that really didn't pan out. |
| 16:36.51 | GeneralAntilles | A process shrink is coming soon, too, I think. |
| 16:36.58 | aquatix | ah |
| 16:37.00 | Arif_ | oh, yay |
| 16:37.01 | aquatix | well |
| 16:37.04 | Arif_ | Ovi added a Shrek 4 trailer! |
| 16:37.14 | aquatix | if there's a G3 soonish, i'll get a G2 then :) |
| 16:38.14 | tybollt | g2? |
| 16:38.22 | tybollt | gen2 of what? |
| 16:38.25 | GeneralAntilles | X25-M |
| 16:38.29 | tybollt | ah |
| 16:38.30 | tybollt | yeah |
| 16:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | Well, X18 |
| 16:38.50 | tybollt | keep hoping for lots of new gens (so the old ones drop considerably in price ;) |
| 16:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't pan out for the G1s. |
| 16:39.12 | aquatix | tybollt: my idea |
| 16:39.22 | aquatix | but i might get a x18-m g2 soonish anyway |
| 16:39.42 | Andy80 | is it just my impression or... when I run an application inside Scratchbox+Xephyr it doesn't run in "full colors" ? It looks like 256 colors or something similar... is there a way to make it looks exacly like N900? |
| 16:39.47 | tybollt | my brother got the X25 I think, 40G intel ssd |
| 16:39.52 | tybollt | it was silly expensive |
| 16:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | About $100 in the US |
| 16:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming you can find it in stock. |
| 16:40.15 | nid0 | i'd be kinda dubious of being an early adopter of the next gens of intel ssd's from now on though tbh |
| 16:40.26 | nid0 | at least for a while |
| 16:40.51 | aquatix | anyway, i'm off |
| 16:40.51 | tybollt | Intel ssd has good reputation - non? |
| 16:40.53 | aquatix | ciao :) |
| 16:40.56 | aquatix | tybollt: yep |
| 16:40.59 | tybollt | Except that silly firmware FAIL |
| 16:41.00 | nid0 | generally yes, very |
| 16:41.05 | nid0 | but the firmware brickage = big fail |
| 16:41.16 | tybollt | nid0: ACK, granted that of course >:) |
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| 16:41.53 | tybollt | oh la la |
| 16:42.01 | tybollt | is headed for the HW shop right now actually |
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| 16:47.09 | JimiDini | hi |
| 16:47.16 | JimiDini | needs some volunteers ;) |
| 16:47.48 | JimiDini | we deployed OpenID Provider functionality at maemo.org today and would be cool if you could give it a test |
| 16:48.08 | JimiDini | specifically, I am interested in 2 things: |
| 16:48.28 | JimiDini | 1) try to log in somewhere using just "maemo.org" as OpenId url |
| 16:49.13 | JimiDini | 2) try to log in using your full OpenID identity-url, which you can find here: http://maemo.org/openid/ |
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| 16:50.13 | hrw | http://www.wasab.dk/morten/2007/11/openid/ passed |
| 16:50.46 | hrw | with my maemo openid |
| 16:50.56 | GeneralAntilles | Works on meego.com with the full URL. |
| 16:51.05 | GeneralAntilles | "OpenID authentication failed: No matching endpoint found after discovering http://maemo.org/openid/id/generalantilles/" on hrw's link. |
| 16:51.26 | nid0 | hrw's link works for me |
| 16:51.52 | nid0 | meego.com fails, im already registered there separately though |
| 16:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | Adding an OpenID to my existing account on meego.com worked. |
| 16:52.35 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: and short-url? |
| 16:53.01 | JimiDini | nid0: it fails on meego side or on maemo side? ;) |
| 16:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, tried it with "maemo.org" and "http://maemo.org" on hrw's link, both failed with that error. |
| 16:53.31 | nid0 | meego side sorry, it just recognises that the email addy's already registered - going to try adding to my existing meego.com acct now |
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| 16:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, short URL works on meego.com, however. |
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| 16:54.25 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: weird⦠well, probably that test-server has limitation on nick-length⦠|
| 16:56.13 | nid0 | both types of login work fine on claimid.com |
| 16:56.38 | JimiDini | error could be related to old version of php-openid on that site also |
| 16:56.44 | JimiDini | nid0: thanks |
| 17:00.14 | JimiDini | I guess it kinda works⢠;) back to hacking |
| 17:00.24 | JimiDini | if there are any problems â ping me |
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| 17:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, we want a Bugzilla component? |
| 17:03.21 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: that's a separate story. there's a long-hanging SSO project for all maemo.org resources, which is supposed completely transparently. it's half-ready, but still is not there. |
| 17:03.32 | JimiDini | s/supposed/supposed to work/ |
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| 17:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | Er, for OpenID bugs. ;) |
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| 17:04.06 | JimiDini | ah⦠:) |
| 17:04.25 | GeneralAntilles | Up to you, it's something I can help with, though, so I figure I'd offer. ;) |
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| 17:05.02 | JimiDini | well, this component is not maemo.org specific. bugs can be reported here: http://trac.midgard-project.org/ |
| 17:05.41 | JimiDini | though, probably something at bugzilla would be useful too |
| 17:05.51 | JimiDini | trac is for more technical reports |
| 17:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, yes, true. |
| 17:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | often forgets about Midgard upstream. ;) |
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| 17:10.35 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: in this case component was developed because it was needed at maemo.org, but still it is generic :) |
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| 17:24.42 | gouverneur | and again no response from talk... |
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| 17:26.46 | JimiDini | gouverneur: same here. X-Fade probably knows the reason, but he is away |
| 17:27.26 | pupnik | i wonder what would happen if the community just continued to use the term "maemo" to refer to any nokia linux OS |
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| 17:28.22 | pupnik | bad pupnik |
| 17:28.30 | GeneralAntilles | Mass confusion |
| 17:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | Possibly cease and desist letters. :P |
| 17:28.56 | TomaszD | fiferboy, fiferboy_n900 how's the transifex work going? |
| 17:29.05 | frals | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 pretty interesting stuff |
| 17:29.29 | fiferboy_n900 | TomaszD: on hold while I search for a job |
| 17:29.41 | TomaszD | fiferboy_n900, IRL job? |
| 17:30.02 | fiferboy_n900 | TomaszD: yes |
| 17:30.11 | TomaszD | fiferboy_n900, alright, good luck then |
| 17:30.13 | JimiDini | frals: yup. read it :) it was posted on proggit several days ago |
| 17:30.20 | fiferboy_n900 | Thanks |
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| 17:31.14 | Arif_ | ha |
| 17:31.30 | Arif_ | the NES and GB emulators have an L and R button! |
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| 17:34.00 | pupnik | i would love to get only posts from a small positive list of users on t.m.o |
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| 17:41.12 | RST38h | pupnik: why not create an invitation only forum? |
| 17:41.40 | pupnik | the useful posts should be seen by all |
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| 17:43.20 | LuciusMare | Hi, can i somehow force the tablet to the state when the headphones are plugged in, while all sounds will be sent to the repros, leaving the headphones for serial communication only? |
| 17:43.21 | pupnik | the moderators have helped somewhat. merging new threads into existing ones does help a bit |
| 17:43.21 | cehteh | is there any script or hook or whatever called when the internet connection changes? |
| 17:43.30 | GeneralAntilles | frals, interesting. |
| 17:44.19 | LuciusMare | I want to use the audio jack for serial communication, since there is no serial console on n900 |
| 17:44.29 | pupnik | LuciusMare: is there a url describing serial over headphones? |
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| 17:45.03 | pupnik | pulse is flexible enough to do that |
| 17:45.23 | LuciusMare | Nope, it is just my idea, and i think it was even accepted here on #maemo |
| 17:45.51 | GeneralAntilles | LuciusMare, serial pads are under the battery. |
| 17:46.06 | hrw | have a nice rest of day |
| 17:46.27 | LuciusMare | yes, but aren't they used for kernel debugging only? |
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| 17:47.35 | wumao | how can I access /home/user/ directory of n900 on pc? |
| 17:47.54 | LuciusMare | wumao: mount bind? |
| 17:48.04 | nid0 | install rootsh and use winscp |
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| 17:48.32 | GeneralAntilles | s/rootsh/openssh/ |
| 17:48.36 | wumao | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.37 | LuciusMare | heh, yeah, i thought of "on a pc" as "over usb" |
| 17:48.59 | RST38h | pupnik: A Google Group that is invitation only will be visible to everyone but only invited people will post |
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| 17:49.01 | wumao | yes, i connect with usb, mass mode |
| 17:49.21 | LuciusMare | No chance of getting the n900 on your network? |
| 17:50.14 | wumao | what do you mean by network? |
| 17:50.38 | LuciusMare | LAN |
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| 17:51.53 | wumao | is it possible to transfer file into home/user directory through usb? like the other mobile phones |
| 17:52.16 | nomis | wumao: you can transfer them to home/user/MyDocs. |
| 17:52.19 | nid0 | into /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs? |
| 17:52.56 | wumao | yes, how to do that? i cant even find the path from the pc |
| 17:53.03 | LuciusMare | heh |
| 17:53.21 | LuciusMare | the /home/user/MyDocs is that 30GB partition you get |
| 17:53.28 | LuciusMare | when using usb mass storage |
| 17:53.42 | nomis | wumao: plug in the USB, select "Mass Storage Mode" on the device, then you get two devices on the PC. |
| 17:53.48 | gouverneur | wumao: you need to setup usbnetworking and scp the files! not in massstorage mode |
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| 17:54.04 | nomis | gouverneur: huh? |
| 17:54.25 | gouverneur | nomis: LuciusMare if you have no clue just sh... |
| 17:54.30 | LuciusMare | gouverneur: not really, he can transfer it to mydocs, and to ~ and vice versa |
| 17:54.43 | wumao | but when I sent up the usbnetworking, connect with pc suit mode, i cant see any device shown on my pc |
| 17:54.49 | LuciusMare | gouverneur: exactly my point |
| 17:55.03 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trxUnbZzuTs heh |
| 17:55.19 | gouverneur | massstorage does export MyDocs and SD nothing else |
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| 17:55.23 | nid0 | wumao is it /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs you want to access. the difference is pretty important. |
| 17:55.26 | LuciusMare | exactly |
| 17:55.50 | LuciusMare | gouverneur: what do you have against the solution of transfering the file to mydocs, and copying to ~? |
| 17:55.56 | wumao | ok, i think mydoc is much safer |
| 17:56.07 | nid0 | to get to mydocs, just plug the phone in in mass storage mode |
| 17:56.09 | nid0 | and it shows up. |
| 17:56.11 | nid0 | all there is to it |
| 17:56.33 | LuciusMare | Then, open xterm, and copy the files from MyDocs to your home |
| 17:57.16 | gouverneur | LuciusMare: lame I get slower in typing over the day... 9h kbd now.. should go home... |
| 17:57.43 | gouverneur | I was at 'MyDocs' when you hit enter |
| 17:57.46 | LuciusMare | wumao: I might be too curious, but what exaclty do you need to copy to your home? |
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| 17:58.35 | wumao | luciusMare, just wonder whether this is a handy way to build binary file on device |
| 17:59.03 | gouverneur | wumao: lol what do you want to build |
| 17:59.22 | LuciusMare | that is yet another problem, but i am sure there was a thread on tmo (talk.maemo.org) |
| 17:59.37 | wumao | a simple helloworld app |
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| 18:00.04 | gouverneur | you can do that at MyDocs... doesnt need to be home |
| 18:01.21 | wumao | ok, after i connect with usb, mass mode, i can see N900 on pc |
| 18:02.02 | wumao | enter N900, i can see some directories like DCIM, cities,MAC OS |
| 18:02.11 | LuciusMare | The devices you see, one of them is your memory card, while the other is mydocs,perfectly accessible from the tablet |
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| 18:02.30 | LuciusMare | Yes, the N900 is probably the mydocs |
| 18:02.40 | LuciusMare | just being curious, what os do you run? |
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| 18:03.18 | wumao | windows, with virtual machine running linuxe |
| 18:03.41 | LuciusMare | i usually prefer it reversed, but whatever O:) |
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| 18:10.10 | cehteh | anyone here good with openvpn ... i have problems when switching the connection |
| 18:10.15 | LuciusMare | Hi, can i somehow force the tablet to the state when the headphones are plugged in, while all sounds will be sent to the repros, leaving the headphones for only manually choosed sounds? |
| 18:12.40 | wumao | I think N900 is exactly MyDocs |
| 18:12.48 | wumao | I could find the file there |
| 18:13.29 | wumao | but when I try ./myapp, the terminal show : Permission denied |
| 18:13.36 | wumao | why? |
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| 18:13.57 | LuciusMare | not set as executable? |
| 18:14.13 | LuciusMare | chmod +x file |
| 18:14.52 | wumao | executable (application/x-executable) |
| 18:15.03 | sar3th | hey |
| 18:15.06 | LuciusMare | yes, that is the filetype |
| 18:15.06 | lcuk | wumao, MyDocs is marked noexec |
| 18:15.08 | sar3th | i need a bit of git help please |
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| 18:15.14 | sar3th | i can't git pull |
| 18:15.18 | lcuk | put binary into /home/user and chmod +x it |
| 18:15.21 | LuciusMare | do you know what does executable mean? |
| 18:15.24 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 18:15.28 | LuciusMare | lcuk: thanks |
| 18:15.41 | sar3th | error message is: |
| 18:15.47 | sar3th | <file> not update. cannot merge |
| 18:15.54 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Bug Bug Bug? |
| 18:16.16 | wumao | ok |
| 18:16.41 | RST38h | moos at lcuk |
| 18:17.17 | lcuk | hiya RST38h |
| 18:17.26 | lcuk | moos contentedly |
| 18:18.17 | wumao | :) how to copy the file from home/user/MyDocs to home/user? some commad like cp /home/user/MyDocs/myapp/ /home/user/myapp? |
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| 18:18.30 | LuciusMare | exactly |
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| 18:19.00 | LuciusMare | but you can save your fingers by typing: cp MyDocs/myapp . |
| 18:19.08 | LuciusMare | when you are at your home directory |
| 18:19.30 | LuciusMare | you know, that is a question about shell basics, more like for ##linux |
| 18:19.43 | lcuk | how is appp formed? |
| 18:20.03 | LuciusMare | lcuk: your parents didn't give you "the talk" ? |
| 18:20.20 | lcuk | how n900 get pragnent? |
| 18:20.26 | LuciusMare | :P |
| 18:20.34 | Myrtti | it's like, lame |
| 18:20.37 | Myrtti | http://www.staringispolite.com/likepython/ |
| 18:21.04 | lcuk | wumao, how did you get the app into mydocs i nthe first place |
| 18:21.14 | RST38h | Myrtti: Perligata is better |
| 18:22.07 | wumao | cool, after chmod +x file, the app runs! |
| 18:22.32 | wumao | just connect the phone with pc using usb, mass mode |
| 18:22.44 | wumao | copy the file into the N900 disk |
| 18:22.48 | lcuk | that will become tiresome ;) |
| 18:22.59 | lcuk | install ssh and use scp |
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| 18:23.13 | LuciusMare | Myrtti: That is hilariously funny, i think it is a great idea that makes a nice parody. |
| 18:23.16 | LuciusMare | Erm, yo. |
| 18:23.22 | nid0 | lcuk: that was the very first suggestion quite a while ago, he wanted usb |
| 18:23.23 | wumao | yes, actually am studying that as well |
| 18:23.36 | nid0 | scp wasnt suitable I guess :> |
| 18:23.39 | lcuk | nid0, lol |
| 18:23.48 | RST38h | Myrtti: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html |
| 18:23.56 | lcuk | wumao, are you a windows user at heart? |
| 18:24.02 | wumao | yes |
| 18:24.05 | lcuk | nods |
| 18:24.08 | lcuk | i was the same |
| 18:24.11 | lcuk | this place changes you |
| 18:24.18 | LuciusMare | :D |
| 18:24.21 | wumao | I never learn linux before I got the n900 |
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| 18:24.33 | wumao | so much to learn |
| 18:24.38 | lcuk | snap :) good luck with it |
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| 18:24.55 | wumao | anyway, thank you all. |
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| 18:24.56 | lcuk | yeah its an uphill stretch coming from windows, but soon you will get it |
| 18:25.14 | LuciusMare | wumao: do not hesistate to ask at #linux :P |
| 18:25.34 | nid0 | windows users is what winscp is for :> |
| 18:25.39 | nid0 | otherwise, it's just scp. |
| 18:25.42 | wumao | sure :) |
| 18:25.53 | wumao | i have tried madde for a while |
| 18:25.59 | lcuk | i did most of liqbase dev with winscp explorer window |
| 18:26.04 | LuciusMare | woot |
| 18:26.15 | wumao | but it seems not stable at all |
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| 18:26.31 | frals | lcuk: hehe, thats how i do fmms |
| 18:26.43 | lcuk | frals i never checked |
| 18:26.46 | lcuk | whats fmms written in |
| 18:26.51 | frals | python! |
| 18:27.05 | lcuk | heh so you scp to device and edit still in windows |
| 18:27.18 | frals | yeah |
| 18:27.26 | lcuk | cool, what editor do you use |
| 18:27.31 | frals | textpad :D |
| 18:27.33 | LuciusMare | emacs |
| 18:27.34 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:27.40 | LuciusMare | :_ |
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| 18:32.49 | frals | god im going crazy |
| 18:33.02 | frals | like i post in fmms thread "please post log or i have no idea whats wrong" |
| 18:33.15 | frals | AND THE VERY NEXT POST GOES "plz help its not working i get download error" |
| 18:33.31 | sar3th | aaw frals |
| 18:33.32 | nid0 | thats forums and users for you |
| 18:33.35 | sar3th | that's people :( |
| 18:33.36 | nid0 | welcome to teh internets |
| 18:33.37 | frals | introduces head to desk. commence bashing |
| 18:33.43 | RST38h | frals: It is ok, ignore 'em |
| 18:34.12 | RST38h | frals: There are basically too outcomes: either there is more than one idiots in the thread and they start helping each other |
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| 18:34.38 | RST38h | frals: Or the idiot posts 3-4 increasingly desperate requests in all caps and disappears |
| 18:35.10 | TomaszD | has anyone checked the rep counter app in testing? it's great |
| 18:35.24 | nid0 | 3 would be give popular applications their own subforum and the app's maintainer mod access to it |
| 18:35.54 | TomaszD | I don't want a subforum |
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| 18:36.30 | frals | i want people to atleast read the first and last post of a thread before replying, but i wish for too much :P |
| 18:36.44 | frals | RST38h: yeah, im starting to do that now :< |
| 18:38.04 | GAN900 | frals, I want ponies too. :P |
| 18:38.15 | frals | :P |
| 18:38.49 | frals | GAN900: you get me users who read before asking questions, ill get you a pony, deal? |
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| 18:40.22 | GAN900 | frals, I think we're going to both be left feeling very unfulfilled in this endeavour. |
| 18:40.36 | frals | GAN900: im afraid so :( |
| 18:40.57 | wazd | thanks gizmodo for answering one of his most important questions in life |
| 18:42.52 | wazd | oh, and titanium iPhone is fake, as expected :( |
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| 18:44.24 | frals | wazd: whats your most important question in life? :p |
| 18:44.26 | nid0 | titanium iphone case = hi even worse terrible reception |
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| 18:45.05 | wazd | frals: no, question was "How game studios record car engines for their sims" :) |
| 18:45.21 | frals | hehe |
| 18:46.14 | wazd | oh, today is actually Steve Jobs birthday |
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| 18:49.01 | Xisdibik | wazd: carbonsteel iphone? |
| 18:49.18 | SpeedEvil | Diamond iphone. |
| 18:49.30 | Xisdibik | I heard Lady GaGa has that |
| 18:49.40 | SpeedEvil | I mean solid diamond. |
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| 18:49.50 | SpeedEvil | make the case out of artificial diamond |
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| 18:50.13 | wazd | Xisdibik: it can be carbon, but, as titanium, it's waaaay tooo difficult to produce it :) |
| 18:50.25 | Xisdibik | wazd: ;) |
| 18:50.40 | wazd | Xisdibik: that's why I was sure it's fake :) |
| 18:50.44 | Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: if there going through that trouble might as well make hte chips and such diamond, faster speed then ;) |
| 18:50.48 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 18:50.54 | RST38h | wazd: how are things? |
| 18:51.22 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) Well, comme ca :) |
| 18:52.01 | RST38h | wazd: goigng to attend the Maemo dev event at the end of March? |
| 18:52.31 | wazd | RST38h: I haven't received confirmation :) |
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| 18:53.06 | wazd | RST38h: and it would be boring GTK lecture that I already heard in SPB, so I can just come to the afterparty :P |
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| 18:54.52 | dracflamloc | so |
| 18:54.59 | dracflamloc | whats the best mp3 player for n900 |
| 18:55.00 | GAN900 | wazd, microphones? :P |
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| 18:55.29 | GAN900 | Somebody had a piece about how Turn 10 collected their stuff for Forza years ago |
| 18:55.35 | GAN900 | Interesting stuff. |
| 18:55.57 | SpeedEvil | dracflamloc: the inbuilt one mostly works for me. |
| 18:56.07 | wazd | GAN900: well, yeah :D but it's not that easy, as I expected :) |
| 18:56.17 | GAN900 | Nope |
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| 18:57.28 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 18:57.35 | Arif_ | where's shuffle in kmplayer |
| 18:57.51 | dracflamloc | hm |
| 18:57.53 | dracflamloc | see |
| 18:57.56 | dracflamloc | maybe im missing something |
| 18:58.03 | dracflamloc | but my music doesnt seem to be pulling in correctly |
| 18:58.04 | wazd | GAN900: but this question was disturbing my mind since I've played NFS: Shift, cause sound there was ultra-realistic |
| 18:58.10 | SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/ Free as in ... |
| 18:58.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:58.33 | SpeedEvil | Sound is smoother if you add rsize=8192 |
| 18:59.13 | dracflamloc | 'unknown artist' has 10,000 entries |
| 18:59.21 | dracflamloc | and im pretty sure its reading in sound files from games or something |
| 18:59.50 | dracflamloc | can i tell it to ignore certain folders |
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| 19:00.13 | andrewfblack | is bored |
| 19:01.43 | dracflamloc | when you select delete in the media player, does it actually delete the files? |
| 19:01.58 | SpeedEvil | cures andrewfblacks boredom. |
| 19:02.06 | SpeedEvil | puts down the container labelled ants. |
| 19:03.24 | GAN900 | wazd, NFS: Shift is unplayable |
| 19:03.51 | RST38h | wazd: ah there will be a confirmation and a boring qt lecture afaik ::) |
| 19:03.59 | GAN900 | wazd, I've been driving sims since the 90s and I just smack into one wall after another in Shift. |
| 19:04.07 | RST38h | wazd: Actually they have got a list of lectures, some boring others should be ok |
| 19:04.29 | RST38h | GAN, wazd: RALLY-X! |
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| 19:05.56 | wazd | GAN900: I'm dreaming of buying G25, but I've played with simple keyboard it it worked fine |
| 19:06.06 | wazd | GAN900: try to enable some aids :P |
| 19:06.16 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, driving aids? |
| 19:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 19:06.52 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, it's near impossible to trive without them with keyboard :) |
| 19:06.59 | wazd | drive* |
| 19:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I drove sims with a keyboard, too. |
| 19:07.20 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: have you got wheel? |
| 19:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | Although with ABS and TCS. |
| 19:07.26 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, had one, sold it. |
| 19:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | Logitech MOMO |
| 19:07.43 | GeneralAntilles | I learned on a gamepad and still drive best with one. |
| 19:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | 360 gamepad for both my 360 and my Mac. |
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| 19:08.01 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: hmmm |
| 19:08.17 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: is it worth dreaming of wheel? :) |
| 19:08.31 | Kegetys | if you get a wheel then at least play some proper sims |
| 19:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, not sure. |
| 19:08.37 | jo-erlend | on Nokia N900, can I install other operating systems? When MeeGo is released, for instance? |
| 19:08.39 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't start with the G25. :P |
| 19:08.44 | Corsac | jo-erlend: maybe |
| 19:08.48 | GeneralAntilles | Though, actually, I'd love to try a wheel with a proper clutch. |
| 19:08.53 | jo-erlend | Corsac, maybe? |
| 19:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | but I really didn't use it much |
| 19:08.56 | Corsac | GeneralAntilles: remind me to not get in a car with you :) |
| 19:09.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's a pain to set up and take down all of the time. |
| 19:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | Corsac, fly-by-wire. |
| 19:09.12 | SpeedEvil | jo-erlend: you can install them - that is there is nothing precluding you doing so. |
| 19:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | Corsac, it's like Men in Black. :P |
| 19:09.19 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, I want to buy used g25 for like 200 bucks |
| 19:09.26 | SpeedEvil | jo-erlend: they simply have to be made to run on it |
| 19:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | Corsac, no, but I have no trouble using a wheel and pedals in a car. ;) |
| 19:09.39 | RST38h | RALLY-X, you fanatics! |
| 19:09.43 | ScribbleJ | jo-erlend, it's too early to say for MeeGo. In theory, probably? But there is nothing to stop you from hacking something in there. You saw someone got Android going on the N900? I think just in a chroot, but still. |
| 19:09.53 | jo-erlend | SpeedEvil, right. But I do get access to the interal storage so that I can install it? |
| 19:09.54 | RST38h | (the last driving sim I ever had fun playing) |
| 19:10.01 | SpeedEvil | jo-erlend: yes |
| 19:10.04 | ScribbleJ | jo-erlend, yes, you have access to everything. |
| 19:10.12 | jo-erlend | using usb, or how? |
| 19:10.14 | SpeedEvil | jo-erlend: n900 is much closer to a 'normal' PC linux than most phones. |
| 19:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, unless you have a station that can be your driving rig then putting it up and taking it down all the time is just a pain. |
| 19:10.34 | SpeedEvil | jo-erlend: add 'rootsh' package - open xterm - type root - and you're root. |
| 19:10.39 | Kegetys | doesnt take that long to lift it to the table and back for me |
| 19:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, and I found I drove better with the pad even after months of practicing with the wheel. |
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| 19:10.47 | SpeedEvil | jo-erlend: and rootsh is in the default repositories |
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| 19:12.05 | wazd | RST38h: MicroMachines :D |
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| 19:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, see if you can't find one to play with before you buy. |
| 19:12.33 | wazd | RST38h: well, I can contact Timofey and ask him to register me anyway |
| 19:12.51 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: on fbreader - somewhat randomly - is there a way programatically to get it to go to next page? |
| 19:12.52 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, I think I saw some demo places for it |
| 19:13.00 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: dbus or something? |
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| 19:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, also, try a real damn sim. :P |
| 19:13.34 | jo-erlend | SpeedEvil, yes I know. But I don't understand how to start installing a new operating system on it. |
| 19:13.38 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: Live for Speed? :) |
| 19:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's a good one. |
| 19:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | Buggy, but good. |
| 19:13.58 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: that's a helluva sim |
| 19:14.03 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: too complex for me :D |
| 19:14.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:14.28 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I tried to play it online and was beaten like 3yo boy |
| 19:14.28 | SpeedEvil | jo-erlend: well - you can start by simply editing the init http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/ |
| 19:14.30 | SpeedEvil | http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/ |
| 19:14.31 | GeneralAntilles | It takes a while to build up the skills for a real sim. ;) |
| 19:14.32 | SpeedEvil | for example. |
| 19:15.00 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I was drunk for a week after that, it was really humilliating! :D |
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| 19:15.21 | RST38h | SpeedEvil" prolly no, sorry |
| 19:15.40 | RST38h | It has never been intended to work over dbus |
| 19:16.03 | jo-erlend | SpeedEvil, ah.. I forgot about the microsdhc slot :) |
| 19:16.31 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: k. Wondering to change page over ssh. |
| 19:16.49 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: (n900 propped up next to bed - keyboard under covers) |
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| 19:18.48 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: more book.txt |
| 19:18.57 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: what game I'm dreaming of is an MMORacingSim where you just drive, like in the city :) |
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| 19:19.20 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/testdriveunlimited/index.html with multiplayer? ;) |
| 19:19.25 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, or do you mean GTA? :D |
| 19:19.36 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I suppose so - (but lynx) and xrnadr |
| 19:19.38 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: yeah, TDU was a close step |
| 19:19.56 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: no, with no guns, but with real physics and stuff |
| 19:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | Driver was nice like that |
| 19:20.52 | mtnbkr | wazd: I htink that is called "life" :) |
| 19:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr, yeah, but Ferraris cost money in "life". ;) |
| 19:21.14 | wazd | mtnbkr: well, Moscow traffic is way too nervous |
| 19:21.19 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Only the ones with good locks. |
| 19:21.32 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, well, they all cost something. |
| 19:21.36 | mtnbkr | lol |
| 19:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | 5-10 for those, maybe. ;) |
| 19:22.30 | wazd | mtnbkr: even though I have full ensurance - it's still a bit tricky to drive for me :) That's why I'm not a fan of real driving :) |
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| 19:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, what, bad coordination? :P |
| 19:24.20 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: no, I actually park like god :D |
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| 19:24.31 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: just strange stance of mind |
| 19:25.01 | GeneralAntilles | always has to watch himself after long racing sessions. |
| 19:25.08 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: and all that infinite jams here are really boring |
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| 19:28.07 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: what I actually liked in HFS:S is in-car view. Really convincing |
| 19:28.13 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Does tim still want his cloak? Freenode staff member contacted me. Tim didn't respond :) |
| 19:28.23 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, he does. |
| 19:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | He should be back for the meeting. |
| 19:29.30 | X-Fade | Ok. |
| 19:31.08 | timeless | hey generalantilles |
| 19:31.13 | timeless | is now running 10.6.2 :o |
| 19:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | Weeee |
| 19:31.23 | GeneralAntilles | Finder sucks less, doesn't it? |
| 19:31.24 | timeless | what irc client should i use? |
| 19:31.30 | timeless | i'm trying limechat, it's a lemmon |
| 19:31.43 | Stskeeps | ssh and irssi? |
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| 19:31.51 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, Adium |
| 19:32.00 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, grab 1.5 from mercurial. |
| 19:32.05 | timeless | stskeeps: that's what i'm doing |
| 19:32.17 | timeless | generalantilles: err, i just grabbed 1.3.10 from their site.. |
| 19:32.24 | timeless | wonders what happened to 1.4 |
| 19:32.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's in beta |
| 19:32.40 | GeneralAntilles | Er, 1.4hg |
| 19:32.48 | timeless | does adium require a compiler? |
| 19:33.06 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: is adium's irc-support better than Colloquy? |
| 19:33.08 | timeless | i'm using my n900 for connectivity and don't have developer tools yet |
| 19:33.28 | JimiDini | uses Colloquy for many years and it works good |
| 19:33.28 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, for the most part. |
| 19:33.38 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, mostly it's not slow and leaky as hell. |
| 19:33.48 | GeneralAntilles | and netsplits don't make it SBBoD for 2 minutes. |
| 19:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, yeah, 1.4 will need XCode. |
| 19:34.09 | GeneralAntilles | Well, maybe not. |
| 19:34.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hang on |
| 19:34.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://adium.im/beta/ |
| 19:34.42 | timeless | hangs |
| 19:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | I s/:/,/ for the tab-completion separator which I why I went with the CVS version. |
| 19:35.15 | Arif_ | meh |
| 19:35.31 | Arif_ | these spam merchants ont he forum are starting to annoy me |
| 19:35.32 | Arif_ | :P |
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| 19:41.09 | Vanadis | hmm, how do i uninstall the preinstalled apps (blocks, chess, Mahjong)? |
| 19:42.01 | timeless | tries to figure out how to get adium 1.3 to connect to irc |
| 19:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, not sure if it does |
| 19:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | Grab the beta from the link http://adium.im/beta/ |
| 19:42.31 | timeless | you mean i really need 1.4? |
| 19:42.37 | timeless | it'd downloading. 48s left |
| 19:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | IRC was new for 1.4 |
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| 19:43.52 | andrewfblack | wonders if its worth the time to start another Fremantle Hildon Theme or not |
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| 19:46.05 | lcuk | andrewfblack, polkadot, take existing theme and dottify it |
| 19:46.50 | andrewfblack | lcuk: Polkadot Maemo.org theme :) |
| 19:47.37 | lcuk | andrewfblack, you may know, have we got an automatic background changer tool yet |
| 19:47.51 | lcuk | something to change them to subset of available panoramics |
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| 19:48.34 | andrewfblack | lcuk: nope not background tools yet |
| 19:48.47 | andrewfblack | really needs a pocket programmer |
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| 19:50.23 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: testing Adium for irc. looks good⦠but a bit too noisy, I think |
| 19:50.28 | integer` | how to regen menu file in maemo 4 ? |
| 19:50.57 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, noisy? |
| 19:51.01 | andrewfblack | guess I'm going to buy a qt book this week |
| 19:51.08 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, I recommend yMous for nick coloring, by the way. |
| 19:51.35 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: yes. Colloquy fits message on one line, Adium puts it on 2⦠|
| 19:51.49 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, change the font size? :P |
| 19:52.12 | midas | n900 ftw |
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| 19:52.29 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: it's not font-size, it's "style", I guess (first line for nick, second for message) |
| 19:52.56 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, oh, yeah, the default still is IM-friendly. |
| 19:52.59 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: and how do i split things into multiple windows? |
| 19:52.59 | GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, install yMous |
| 19:53.01 | midas | one of the best things must be the possiblility to mount nfs shares :P |
| 19:53.23 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, checking "Save opened chats when quitting" is the easy way under "General" in settings. |
| 19:53.28 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: btw, i've already managed to crash adium once in this session (trying to save my nickserv password i guess) |
| 19:53.41 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, drag the tabs around to move them into their own windows or add them to existing ones. |
| 19:53.49 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, and install the yMous theme. |
| 19:54.25 | timeless_mbp | how? |
| 19:54.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=5474 |
| 19:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | Click on "Install" in the right column there. |
| 19:55.42 | JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: yup. looks better (using for group-chats only for now) |
| 19:55.47 | timeless_mbp | ok, i did that |
| 19:55.51 | timeless_mbp | when does it take effect? |
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| 19:56.34 | JimiDini | timeless: it required disconnect/close irc-window/connect on my machine |
| 19:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, after you pick it in prefs on new chat or restart |
| 19:56.54 | timeless_mbp | JimiDini: incredibly inconvenient |
| 19:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Colloquy had /reload style |
| 19:57.09 | JimiDini | is awfully glad that he has irc-proxy installed and can use many irc-cliens for same sessions ;) |
| 19:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | I think it's still being implemented for Adium. |
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| 19:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | Web coordination meeting in #meego-meeting in 3 minutes! |
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| 19:59.18 | timeless_mbp | well, at least dragging tabs in/out hasn't crashed it yet |
| 19:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 19:59.27 | GeneralAntilles | Colloquy |
| 19:59.30 | timeless_mbp | (that's something that generally kills colloquy) |
| 19:59.34 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Adium's pretty solid. |
| 19:59.51 | timeless_mbp | well, i've already crashed it once |
| 19:59.56 | timeless_mbp | so i'd hardly call it solid :) |
| 20:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I haven't crashed it in months and months. |
| 20:00.20 | timeless_mbp | where do bug reports go? |
| 20:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | But it's way more solid than Colloquy (not saying much I guess, but still). |
| 20:00.29 | timeless_mbp | indeed |
| 20:00.39 | timeless_mbp | it's too flashy |
| 20:00.50 | timeless_mbp | i don't like the numbers that change my tab width |
| 20:00.59 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, trac. |
| 20:01.05 | timeless_mbp | ugh |
| 20:01.20 | timeless_mbp | if i pastebin my crash, can someone figure out if it's reported? :) |
| 20:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, you can turn off that in Advanced |
| 20:01.55 | GeneralAntilles | Adium's pretty nicely configurable for the most part |
| 20:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | So just poke around in Settings if there's something you need to change. |
| 20:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, bug #adium. ;) |
| 20:03.02 | timeless_mbp | #adium or #adium-dev* ? |
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| 20:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, hrm, I've always used #adium. |
| 20:03.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hadn't realized there were other channels. |
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| 20:15.09 | reggna | #maemo-devel |
| 20:15.18 | jo-erlend | what do the different colors of the led indicators mean on n900? |
| 20:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | jo-erlend, blue is a notification (SMS, IM, missed call, etc.) |
| 20:15.56 | GeneralAntilles | White is for powering up or powering down |
| 20:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | Orange is for charging |
| 20:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | Green is for charged |
| 20:16.08 | jo-erlend | ah, thanks. :) |
| 20:16.17 | corecode | is the source for the mail app available? i'm not yet comfortable in the maemo repos |
| 20:16.30 | ds3 | and is red for overload? |
| 20:16.36 | jo-erlend | overload? |
| 20:16.42 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, red isn't defined for anything as far as I know. |
| 20:16.43 | ds3 | or prehaps battery danger? ;) |
| 20:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | Red is for when an iPhone user gets too close. |
| 20:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, yes, it's called Modest |
| 20:17.04 | jo-erlend | :) |
| 20:17.06 | ds3 | actually, can it do red? |
| 20:17.06 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, backend is tinymail. |
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| 20:17.47 | corecode | where do i find the sources? |
| 20:17.51 | ds3 | a real question |
| 20:17.59 | corecode | i can't seem to find them on gitorious |
| 20:18.16 | ds3 | does the N900 have all the functionality of the older N8xx's if there is no SIM in there or has nokia treated like a phone and locked out things? |
| 20:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | Think it's on Garage |
| 20:18.39 | Stskeeps | ds3: yes, except AGPS sucks a bit |
| 20:18.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:18.40 | jo-erlend | corecode, add an deb-src to sources.list? |
| 20:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://gitorious.org/modest/ |
| 20:19.04 | timeless | ds3: the n900 doesn't have two sd card slots |
| 20:19.07 | ds3 | Stskeeps: is there a regular GPS? |
| 20:19.15 | timeless | so it doesn't have all the functionality of the n800 |
| 20:19.18 | ds3 | or is it tied to the phone network to get a lock? |
| 20:19.26 | timeless | nor does it have a mini sd slot, so it's missing functionality from the n810 |
| 20:19.31 | ds3 | timeless: yes, that and the lack of host mode is a sore spot |
| 20:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, only because the GPS is sucky. |
| 20:19.33 | corecode | somehow i have the feeling that it doesn't always connect to the wifi network available |
| 20:19.36 | jo-erlend | ds3, what kind of locks are you talking about? It seems very open. |
| 20:19.41 | corecode | but i have to do so manually |
| 20:19.44 | timeless | the n800 supported a swivel camera, the n900 doesn't have that :) |
| 20:19.50 | corecode | i guess that's known, is it? |
| 20:19.51 | Stskeeps | ds3: lock -helps a lot- :P |
| 20:19.52 | ds3 | jo-erlend: some phones refuse to do anything w/o a valid sim |
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| 20:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, it'll work, but the chipset is intended for use with network assistance |
| 20:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | So it wont work WELL |
| 20:20.17 | ds3 | gotcha |
| 20:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing's been intentionally locked out, however. |
| 20:20.30 | ds3 | so I assume I can still pair up a BT GPS to replace it? |
| 20:20.35 | corecode | so how come modest is not on maemo.gitorious.org? |
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| 20:21.07 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, don't ask me. ;) |
| 20:21.11 | corecode | heh |
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| 20:21.14 | corecode | thanks anyways |
| 20:21.17 | corecode | that's good to know |
| 20:21.30 | ds3 | or has the BT GPS bit been removed? |
| 20:21.32 | corecode | the sent-mail-not-on-imap issue is nasty |
| 20:21.38 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, you could karma whore and file a bug on bugs.maemo.org about that. |
| 20:22.10 | corecode | nevermind :) |
| 20:22.24 | corecode | more important things to do (:/) |
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| 20:22.56 | GeneralAntilles | Er, the "Modest not in maemo.gitorious.org" |
| 20:23.10 | Klowner | obscure question, but anyone here using an N900 in Holland? |
| 20:23.28 | derf | ds3: BT GPS works fine with the N900. |
| 20:24.04 | jo-erlend | can I use the GPS on N900 on my laptop? |
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| 20:25.00 | Klowner | jo-erlend: I would suspect you could run gpsd on the n900 and then connect to it via usb-networking |
| 20:25.20 | Klowner | ..maybe |
| 20:25.48 | jo-erlend | not via bt? |
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| 20:27.09 | Klowner | jo-erlend: it doesn't provide any gps-related bluetooth services as far as I'm aware, that'd be a nice thing to have though |
| 20:27.25 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: how do i open a /query in adium?! |
| 20:27.43 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I think cmd-n does it. |
| 20:27.43 | jo-erlend | Klowner, but that's an OS issue? |
| 20:27.54 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I usually just fire them off and wait for the response to open a window. |
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| 20:28.12 | timeless_mbp | eww. yuck yuck |
| 20:28.27 | timeless_mbp | in colloquy, /query victim message opens a window w/ the message |
| 20:28.33 | timeless_mbp | which means i know i sent it |
| 20:28.38 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yeah, I know. |
| 20:28.38 | timeless_mbp | otherwise, i have no idea if / when i sent something |
| 20:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | One thing that bugs me |
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| 20:28.49 | GeneralAntilles | Try cmd-n for it. |
| 20:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe poke #adium about a better solution |
| 20:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | There may be a setting, dunno. |
| 20:29.19 | timeless_mbp | later |
| 20:29.20 | Klowner | jo-erlend: yeah. unless someone were to write an additional bluetooth service for the n900 which provided a bluetooth interface to the maemo location api stuff, such a thing seems theoretically possible |
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| 20:33.34 | jo-erlend | think I want to try Ubuntu MID on it. :) |
| 20:33.38 | hume | hi... I'm trying to connect my n900 to an ubuntu laptop, but it does not mount, neither in mass storage nor in PC-suite mode. Is there something I can do? |
| 20:34.27 | Klowner | hume: it does the little pop-up pc-suite / mass storage selector when you plug it in? |
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| 20:34.48 | hume | Klowner, yes, and then I select one of them |
| 20:37.06 | Klowner | hume: hm, on mine it pops up a thing in ubuntu asking what I'd like to do with the newly inserted device. open in f-spot, open folder, etc. |
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| 20:37.19 | hume | Klowner, right now I have it in mass storage mode. On the n900, when I click the small BT-symbol, it says "connected via USB, mass storage mode" |
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| 20:37.27 | corecode | wait what the n900 is not supported by the ovi pc suite? |
| 20:37.38 | hume | Klowner, hrm... ok.....could be my laptop, perhaps? |
| 20:38.09 | Klowner | hume: maybe, check dmesg and also make sure "Nokia N900" isn't listed in the "Places" section of your gnome menu |
| 20:38.26 | adeus | sometime my ubuntu just does nothing |
| 20:38.29 | hume | another issue: when I browse to my google calendar on the N900, it shows in a simplified PDA-mode - how can I make the browser show it in normal mode |
| 20:38.31 | hume | ? |
| 20:38.34 | adeus | booting helps |
| 20:39.31 | hume | Klowner, oops....it's there....ok...sp got mounted without any nautilus pop-up....interesting |
| 20:39.43 | hume | thanks...... |
| 20:39.57 | Klowner | hume: not sure about google calendar, but I have my google calendar sync with the built-in calendar |
| 20:39.57 | hume | got any ideas on my browser - google-calendar issue? |
| 20:40.27 | hume | Klowner, how do you do that, it didn't know that worked.... |
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| 20:40.52 | Klowner | hume: it works using the Mail For Exchange stuff |
| 20:41.01 | Klowner | there's instruction somewhere, I shall find them |
| 20:41.14 | Klowner | hume: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=5f92340e8dea5ed7&hl=en |
| 20:41.43 | corecode | sheesh |
| 20:41.47 | hume | Klowner, ok, i haven't got it to work. Is there a place in the Mail for Excange where i can choose which google cal is to be synced? that might be my problem, it might sync the wrong one |
| 20:41.56 | Klowner | instructions aren't very well written |
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| 20:42.01 | corecode | so, any idea how i can migrate my e51 messages to the n900? |
| 20:42.47 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, the migration assistant on S60 may help. |
| 20:42.58 | corecode | it did migrate the contacts |
| 20:43.03 | corecode | but not the messages |
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| 20:43.07 | hume | Klowner, no....but those are the ones I followed. but i think my issue is that I have several calendars |
| 20:43.51 | Klowner | hume: ah, that may be, I'm not sure about what to do with multiple calendars |
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| 20:48.13 | hume | Klowner, thanks. I think I get it now |
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| 20:49.44 | Pronto|n900 | woooooot! got a socks5 proxy via ssh working on n900 meamo browser :D |
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| 20:54.58 | samosa | did not know n900 community was this big. |
| 20:55.45 | Texrat | wazd: here |
| 20:55.58 | wazd | Texrat: I've read your pdf :) |
| 20:56.03 | Texrat | and? |
| 20:56.09 | Texrat | (that was fast btw) |
| 20:56.10 | cpscotti | samosa: next thing we're going to write blog post condemning microsoft, boycott google and thus turn the internet in a better place. (lol) |
| 20:56.33 | mtnbkr | cpscotti: you forgot Apple. :) |
| 20:56.39 | wazd | Texrat: you must know that PayPal doesn't work in some countries :) |
| 20:56.40 | samosa | lol |
| 20:57.10 | wazd | Texrat: so it will be impossible to manage donations like this for everyone :( |
| 20:57.12 | cpscotti | Apple is so worse than we won't even touch them.. we'll just let them kill themselves with their religious "non-porn" public |
| 20:57.29 | frals | pdf? what? where? whatabout? |
| 20:59.08 | Texrat | frals: http://maemo-daemons.org/MeeGo_User_Experience_Framework.pdf |
| 20:59.15 | frals | Texrat: ta |
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| 20:59.35 | Texrat | wazd: yes I know but this is just a start, with examples |
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| 21:01.40 | pupnik_ | texrat! how you doin man? |
| 21:02.10 | Texrat | pupnik: surviving |
| 21:02.13 | Texrat | you? |
| 21:02.28 | Arif_ | cpscotti, but playboy is alright! |
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| 21:04.37 | cpscotti | Arif_: lol! |
| 21:04.42 | 13WAAFQRH | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2010/02/23/image/288459_CSS%20Mess.jpg |
| 21:04.52 | wazd | Texrat: ah, ok then :) |
| 21:04.53 | frals | Texrat: nice stuff |
| 21:05.21 | Arif_ | oh great |
| 21:05.27 | Arif_ | I thought I'd put some games on the N900 |
| 21:05.31 | Arif_ | and now I have over 3GB of ROMs |
| 21:05.32 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:07.07 | Texrat | frals: thanks. suggestions welcome |
| 21:07.24 | jo-erlend | I should put my videos in /home/user/MyDocs/.video or somewhere else? |
| 21:07.26 | tank-man | lol, that jpg above is safe by the way |
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| 21:08.04 | Arif_ | jo-erlend, as long as its somewhere on the 27GB partition |
| 21:09.26 | jo-erlend | Arif_, but I'd like the media to be available in the media player, without navigating to them in the file manager. |
| 21:09.41 | Arif_ | doesn't matter |
| 21:09.44 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, save the specific stuff for another meeting. ;) |
| 21:10.13 | Arif_ | they get indexed anyway |
| 21:11.04 | corecode | does the maemo ovi maps version deal with offline maps? |
| 21:11.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 21:11.24 | corecode | how do i get them? |
| 21:11.36 | corecode | i only seem to find symbian packages |
| 21:11.46 | GeneralAntilles | They usually come bundled for your region |
| 21:11.55 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure about downloading other regions or replacing lost regions. |
| 21:12.10 | frals | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c |
| 21:15.08 | jo-erlend | Arif_, that didn't happen here. |
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| 21:15.24 | Arif_ | it did here! |
| 21:15.43 | cpscotti | frals: thanksss! |
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| 21:21.39 | corecode | heh oh wow |
| 21:21.41 | corecode | large maps |
| 21:22.29 | Arif_ | Dutchland ýs only 60MB |
| 21:23.41 | dmj7261 | igagis: I really like your theremin app |
| 21:23.45 | corecode | well, i'm downloading europe |
| 21:23.52 | corecode | and america |
| 21:23.58 | corecode | just to make sure :) |
| 21:24.12 | Arif_ | stop travelýng over býg mapped places :P |
| 21:24.19 | Arif_ | yourope ýs 1.6GB or somethýng :o |
| 21:24.31 | corecode | are your accents a bit off? |
| 21:24.32 | corecode | :) |
| 21:24.43 | Arif_ | someone stole the dot off my i apparently |
| 21:24.44 | Arif_ | :D |
| 21:24.46 | igagis | dmj7261: :) |
| 21:25.14 | corecode | so should i get a microsd card? |
| 21:25.20 | corecode | or is that not necessary |
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| 21:25.31 | dmj7261 | igagis: I downloaded the code and was looking at ways it could be improved. |
| 21:25.34 | Arif_ | you can never have enough space |
| 21:25.54 | Arif_ | but |
| 21:25.57 | Arif_ | 32GB is enough :P |
| 21:26.21 | lcuk | Arif_, i describe 32gb as a good start! |
| 21:26.34 | Arif_ | yea |
| 21:26.39 | pupnik_ | it is too much forf this tracker schema |
| 21:26.40 | Arif_ | I only have 4GB left |
| 21:26.40 | jo-erlend | Arif_, perhaps it takes a while before the index is updated? |
| 21:26.48 | nid0 | 32gb is "about bearable if upnp works" |
| 21:26.51 | nid0 | which it doesnt :< |
| 21:26.57 | dmj7261 | igagis: Have you thought about improving the samples/synth? |
| 21:27.12 | Arif_ | jo-erlend, they showed up when I pulled out the USB |
| 21:27.24 | Arif_ | you can try tracker-processes -r |
| 21:27.27 | Arif_ | in terminal |
| 21:27.45 | igagis | dmj7261: well, synth is hard, it takes much cpu, and I don't know how to improve it actually |
| 21:28.01 | igagis | dmj7261: have you manged to build the code& |
| 21:28.04 | igagis | ? |
| 21:28.08 | pupnik_ | a TB303 / 808 jambox would be fun |
| 21:28.26 | pupnik_ | wonder if they would consider a port of RubberDuck |
| 21:28.38 | dmj7261 | Not yet. I downloaded it like 15 minutes ago and was digging in the synth code to see what you wrote there. |
| 21:29.01 | dmj7261 | I've noticed that there seems to be a sort of glitching when you switch notes quickly. |
| 21:29.12 | cpscotti | so people.. one question about garage.maemo developer philosophy; You have you mature software there, +15 votes: it's going for extras in no time (Q&A crit) to aid lots of users. Then you find a minor, hidden little bug.. you fix it and upload to -devel. |
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| 21:29.23 | igagis | dmj7261: I see, the code is now only for N900 |
| 21:29.36 | pupnik_ | and the game starts anew cpscotti |
| 21:29.40 | cpscotti | Should you make everyone wait for another 20+ days to get it or you let the old version going and send the updated version after the first one hit extras.. relying on the update system.. |
| 21:29.41 | dmj7261 | I have the n900 |
| 21:29.46 | dmj7261 | no n8x0 |
| 21:29.48 | igagis | dmj7261: in case you hav N8x) you have to ceckout some old rev then |
| 21:29.58 | igagis | dmj7261: that's fine |
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| 21:30.05 | cpscotti | pupnik_: didn't get it.. |
| 21:30.40 | dmj7261 | Wow, that violin sample is really odd. |
| 21:31.36 | igagis | dmj7261: as soon you use some vibrato when playing violin sample it sounds a bit more like violin |
| 21:31.52 | pupnik_ | cpscotti: i don't know how it works |
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| 21:32.37 | cpscotti | pupnik_: hmm.. the thing is.. the software is very useful, won't harm anyone and less than 5% of the users will note the little bug.. by then the new version has already hit extras.. |
| 21:32.52 | nid0 | largely depends on the bug I guess, if it's some minor functionality flaw that doesnt otherwise adversely affect the device, may as well let it go out and just get the next one going through the testing process |
| 21:32.57 | cpscotti | it is hard to decide |
| 21:33.21 | cpscotti | nid0: what I think! and that's exactly the case.. |
| 21:33.30 | lcuk | pupnik_, khertan has been using pygame to great effect |
| 21:33.33 | cpscotti | but you know.. community.. it's better to ask |
| 21:33.34 | lcuk | have you got any experience with it |
| 21:33.37 | nid0 | whats the package and the bug? |
| 21:33.46 | cpscotti | desktop-cmd-exec |
| 21:34.00 | nid0 | the top flaw? |
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| 21:34.22 | pupnik_ | lcuk: yes he did nice game play for such a new app. i particularly like the high friction on the spaceship. makes control easy |
| 21:34.37 | Mousey | lol friction and spaceship in same sentence |
| 21:34.38 | Mousey | scoffs |
| 21:34.55 | cpscotti | the "update policy" was flawed so that if the user selected "don't matter" for network presence, the command would execute when there was a connection event |
| 21:35.09 | lcuk | do you wanna have a dig through here and see what looks uber cool? http://www.pygame.org/pcr/repository.php |
| 21:35.18 | pupnik_ | feel free to make a realistic game Mousey |
| 21:35.31 | lcuk | and where we might need work on |
| 21:35.52 | dmj7261 | you're right, still sounds a bit off |
| 21:35.55 | corecode | so do i need a class 4 sdhc card or will a class 2 do? |
| 21:36.05 | pupnik_ | nice lcuk : bookmarked |
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| 21:36.12 | dmj7261 | Perhaps add some vibrato to the keyboard? |
| 21:36.13 | nid0 | just to store crap, class2's perfectly fine |
| 21:36.14 | Arif_ | corecode, read reviews |
| 21:36.18 | matthew- | Any french people here? |
| 21:36.21 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 21:36.24 | Arif_ | class=MINIMUM speed |
| 21:36.33 | Arif_ | some class 2s are better than class 6s |
| 21:36.34 | Arif_ | :D |
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| 21:36.56 | pupnik_ | lcuk: really, i need to focus more, not explore more |
| 21:37.11 | cpscotti | nid0: I answered ur question up there but forgot to "link" u |
| 21:37.38 | pupnik_ | you saw what crap results i had on 770/810 |
| 21:37.42 | dmj7261 | igagis: Would better samples be useful do you think? |
| 21:37.52 | corecode | Arif_: i see |
| 21:37.52 | lcuk | ok pupnik_ just pondering how some of them look |
| 21:38.04 | Arif_ | I have a class 2 kingston |
| 21:38.08 | Arif_ | I get 10+MB/s :P |
| 21:38.17 | acidjazz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK4Rc0uuvIE&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:38.27 | nid0 | cpscotti - yeah frankly a minor flaw like that, fwiw my answer would be get it into extras and get the qa process going on the next version |
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| 21:38.47 | cpscotti | nid0: thanks a lot.. |
| 21:40.27 | pupnik_ | lcuk: did you try kobodeluxe yet? it is close to being one of the very best games for N900 |
| 21:41.03 | lcuk | pupnik_, ive not had any time to try out almost anything recently |
| 21:41.15 | pupnik_ | k, keep it in mind! |
| 21:41.52 | lcuk | pupnik_, make a proper review posting about it |
| 21:42.19 | lcuk | your knowledge of gaming surpasses most anyone on this platform :) |
| 21:42.21 | corecode | so 32GB SDHC won't work? |
| 21:42.54 | corecode | oh wait, that's not micro |
| 21:42.59 | corecode | i think it is too late here |
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| 21:46.00 | tybollt | pwnguin; Is your friend the pwny here? |
| 21:46.04 | dmj7261 | bah...my violin bits don't sound that great |
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| 21:46.21 | dmj7261 | igagis: I might be able to offer you some cello. |
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| 21:46.46 | sh0gun_ | Hello, please is it possible to disable smilies in chat windows? |
| 21:46.48 | pwnguin | there is no such nick pwny |
| 21:46.54 | sh0gun_ | And also remove smile icon? |
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| 21:47.18 | sh0gun_ | On Maemo 5 |
| 21:47.19 | igagis | dmj7261: I don't actually use recorded samples |
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| 21:47.28 | igagis | dmj7261: I generate them |
| 21:47.36 | dmj7261 | what are the things in misc? |
| 21:47.43 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: hey |
| 21:47.52 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, ho |
| 21:47.52 | timeless_mbp | my mac won't let me connect to my wifi router |
| 21:47.53 | pwnguin | tybollt: oh, this is a joke. i misread |
| 21:47.59 | pupnik | speaking of SDHC... http://www.rspace.eu/pandora/ |
| 21:48.01 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, have you tried hitting it with a stick? |
| 21:48.08 | igagis | dmj7261: these are my expirements with synthesis in scilab |
| 21:48.13 | GeneralAntilles | is usually inclined to blame the router in those situations. |
| 21:48.15 | dmj7261 | Ah, I see |
| 21:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | is slowly starving to death in this chair. |
| 21:48.42 | dmj7261 | so those don't do anything? |
| 21:48.52 | igagis | dmj7261: yep |
| 21:49.00 | tybollt | pwnguin: ;) |
| 21:49.29 | dmj7261 | that explains a lot |
| 21:49.47 | timeless_mbp | woohoo |
| 21:50.41 | igagis | dmj7261: now I have to go to sleep, bye for now |
| 21:50.47 | dmj7261 | okay |
| 21:51.25 | corecode | alright - any idea how i can "upload" sms to the n900? |
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| 21:53.02 | Texrat | joining GeneralAntilles in slow starvation |
| 21:53.03 | corecode | is that rtcom? |
| 21:53.09 | corecode | oh yea |
| 21:53.13 | corecode | starvation here as well |
| 21:53.26 | corecode | and overcaffeination |
| 21:53.52 | Arif_ | corecode, "upload"? |
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| 21:54.57 | corecode | well, i found a way to extract the text messages from my e51 |
| 21:55.13 | Arif_ | eh |
| 21:55.16 | Arif_ | just use transfer! |
| 21:55.16 | corecode | now i want to push them to my new n900 |
| 21:55.21 | corecode | doesn't work! |
| 21:55.22 | ShadowJK | this xchat notification thing is rofl |
| 21:55.27 | Arif_ | why not! |
| 21:55.27 | corecode | messages don't get transfered |
| 21:55.31 | ShadowJK | pocket going whirrr bleep whirrr all the time |
| 21:55.33 | Arif_ | it worked with my N95! |
| 21:55.39 | corecode | only contacts+calendar |
| 21:55.51 | Arif_ | use nokia PC suite? |
| 21:56.04 | corecode | i was told the pc suite can't upload messages |
| 21:56.08 | corecode | to the n900 |
| 21:56.14 | Arif_ | could be true |
| 21:56.16 | Arif_ | I don't know |
| 21:56.26 | corecode | the ovi suite can't even connect to it |
| 21:56.34 | Arif_ | I haven't even tried PC suite with N900 |
| 21:56.37 | corecode | ok |
| 21:56.40 | Arif_ | I only have it to install sis files on the N95 :P |
| 21:56.45 | corecode | that leaves me with... |
| 21:56.57 | corecode | how do i push messages to the n900 :) |
| 21:57.03 | Arif_ | there was a thread on the forum |
| 21:57.04 | corecode | they got to be stored somewhere |
| 21:57.06 | Arif_ | with a guide |
| 21:57.13 | Arif_ | about SMSes |
| 21:57.14 | Arif_ | :O |
| 21:57.24 | sejo | evening all |
| 21:57.29 | Arif_ | ohaithar |
| 21:57.32 | sejo | how to get PySide on my loptop? |
| 21:57.35 | sejo | laptop? |
| 21:57.44 | Arif_ | ...don't look at me |
| 21:58.57 | corecode | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37354 |
| 21:59.18 | Arif_ | yeah that |
| 21:59.20 | Arif_ | I haven't read it |
| 21:59.25 | Arif_ | so don't blame me if it doesn't work :P |
| 22:01.45 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, no, might hit MeeGo-community with a proposal |
| 22:01.53 | sejo | or how to get dvorak working? |
| 22:02.12 | Arif_ | zoutube is in need of a sort by upload date function |
| 22:02.14 | acidjazz | no matter how advanced things are today computers are still a fucked up bukkake orgy of programs written by diff compansy and diff ppl w/ diff ideas of how they shoudl interact that just ends up being one big gangbang shit fest w/ a line going out the door and guess what .. you're last in line buddy. |
| 22:02.42 | ds3 | so write your own! |
| 22:02.43 | lcuk | acidjazz, just like every town and city in the world then |
| 22:02.45 | dneary | GeneralAntilles, Wrong channel? |
| 22:03.01 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, #meego or #maemo, I'm too hungry to care at the moment. ;) |
| 22:03.02 | dneary | GeneralAntilles, I guess not (seeing tekojo's on-topic comment) |
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| 22:03.19 | ds3 | freenode needs to allow symlinks to channels ;) |
| 22:03.23 | Arif_ | thinks gewgle should write apps for the en nine hundred.. |
| 22:03.41 | dneary | GeneralAntilles, There are huge questions I have, and right now I don't know where to ask them |
| 22:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, mailing lists? |
| 22:03.51 | dneary | I might just start attacking meego-community |
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| 22:04.05 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, sounds like a plan. |
| 22:04.06 | dneary | I wasn't subscribed before - too much useless email |
| 22:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo-community is focused |
| 22:04.21 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo-dev is not |
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| 22:04.45 | dneary | Odd, given that in maemo it's more or less the inverse |
| 22:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, er, not? |
| 22:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | maemo-developers is usually pretty spammy. |
| 22:05.10 | GeneralAntilles | I find maemo-community focuses |
| 22:05.14 | GeneralAntilles | maemo-users is just a cesspool. |
| 22:05.18 | GeneralAntilles | s/focuses/focused/ |
| 22:05.22 | dneary | GeneralAntilles, Then again, it's not surprising since, for the moment with no code & no way to develop MeeGo apps, there are more questions than answer |
| 22:05.28 | dneary | There's not much dev to do :) |
| 22:05.44 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, mostly revolving around Moblin stuff right now. |
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| 22:06.38 | corecode | quite ugly code :/ |
| 22:07.43 | Arif_ | corecode, where? |
| 22:09.10 | pupnik | i cant bear to type that word |
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| 22:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, which? |
| 22:12.59 | corecode | Arif_: the sms upload |
| 22:13.00 | pupnik | the jar jar binks OS |
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| 22:13.31 | sejo | someone /8 |
| 22:13.34 | sejo | bleh |
| 22:13.56 | sejo | someone fawiliar with a dvorak keyboard and trying to use dvorak in the sdk? |
| 22:14.03 | Arif_ | does it work or not =P |
| 22:14.25 | sejo | pupnik: meego? |
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| 22:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, Fisher Price. |
| 22:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | sejo, not sure how simple it is to change. |
| 22:15.59 | GeneralAntilles | I just worked around it, personally. |
| 22:17.02 | sejo | GeneralAntilles: how? |
| 22:17.16 | sejo | GeneralAntilles: it,s pretty annoying when trying to test |
| 22:17.25 | GeneralAntilles | sejo, by doing as little as possible in Xephyr. :D |
| 22:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | Best to test on device anyway. |
| 22:17.51 | sejo | GeneralAntilles: you connect it with sshfs? |
| 22:18.01 | GeneralAntilles | sejo, yeah |
| 22:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | There's an outline on the wiki, I think. |
| 22:18.15 | sejo | it kinda drains the battery i think |
| 22:18.22 | sejo | yeah know how to do it |
| 22:18.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's not too terrible |
| 22:18.46 | GeneralAntilles | besides, if you're sitting at a desk, surely there's power? |
| 22:21.13 | timeless_mbp | Texrat: |
| 22:21.32 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, there's a team somewhere inside which has a way to record videos of maemo5 for filing a bug |
| 22:21.44 | timeless_mbp | it can also record user input |
| 22:21.47 | sejo | GeneralAntilles: yeah in my couch but can connect it to my laptop |
| 22:22.21 | sejo | can I safely replace the root password? |
| 22:22.29 | pupnik | yes |
| 22:22.34 | nid0 | as long as you remember what you replace it with |
| 22:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | sejo, OpenSSH makes you set it when you install. |
| 22:23.03 | sejo | GeneralAntilles: yeah but kinda weary of that (I also have an iPhone *grin*) |
| 22:24.02 | Texrat | timeless: can you get me tnhat info? |
| 22:24.13 | Texrat | that* |
| 22:24.48 | Texrat | also cool: epage (Ed Page) has developed best practice for log file capture/submission... very valuable for bug management |
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| 22:25.19 | Texrat | combine that with bugzilla wizard on device... :) |
| 22:26.16 | andre__ | hmm, bugzilla wizard... |
| 22:26.33 | andre__ | "install a local bugzilla in 2 minutes with 5 clicks" |
| 22:26.36 | timeless_mbp | Texrat: i was supposed to get access for myself |
| 22:26.45 | timeless_mbp | but it was behind an acl |
| 22:26.55 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if they added me :( |
| 22:26.57 | andre__ | next step: distributed bug tracking management |
| 22:27.28 | jo-erlend | Arif_, ah. I'm transferring files via wlan and scp. Perhaps I need to update tracker manually, or does it run periodically? |
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| 22:27.53 | timeless_mbp | andre__: have you tried deskzilla? |
| 22:28.01 | andre__ | nope |
| 22:28.16 | pupnik | please vote up Kobodeluxe. It is very ready! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kobodeluxe/0.5.1-5maemo6/ |
| 22:28.37 | Arif_ | that's a good question |
| 22:28.41 | Arif_ | I dont' know |
| 22:28.44 | andre__ | "but please still test Kobodeluxe first before voting for it" ;-) |
| 22:28.44 | Arif_ | =D |
| 22:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | I'm amazed at how useless the bugzilla programs are. |
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| 22:28.58 | andre__ | "bugzilla programs"? |
| 22:29.04 | andre__ | what does that mean in this context? |
| 22:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, desktop versions of the web interface. |
| 22:29.35 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., deskzilla |
| 22:29.42 | lupine_85 | anyone know of a reasonable muc client for the n900? |
| 22:29.44 | lupine_85 | (jabber multi-user chat) |
| 22:30.42 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 22:30.50 | timeless_mbp | how do i figure out what my adc member id is? |
| 22:31.08 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, don't they have a recovery option that you can use an email address on? |
| 22:31.18 | sejo | hmm PySide is en what package? |
| 22:31.27 | sejo | I installed the Python-QT4-Full |
| 22:31.53 | Texrat | GeneralAntilles: did you check out my presentation yet? |
| 22:32.08 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, I looked at some of the pretty pictures |
| 22:32.16 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, but haven't managed to actually read any of it yet. |
| 22:32.17 | Texrat | ... |
| 22:32.18 | GeneralAntilles | is eating now. |
| 22:32.28 | Texrat | I kept verbiage short just for you |
| 22:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | The Problem |
| 22:32.41 | Texrat | my wife is puking now so me no eat |
| 22:32.42 | GeneralAntilles | GeneralAntilles is a lazy bastard |
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| 22:32.50 | Texrat | flu |
| 22:32.56 | GeneralAntilles | Ick |
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| 22:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, don't like the title. |
| 22:33.42 | Arif_ | anyone in Dutchland with TMobile? |
| 22:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | User Experience in the context seems like it might be something different than UX. |
| 22:34.28 | Texrat | it is bigger than ux |
| 22:34.31 | Texrat | so title works |
| 22:34.35 | Texrat | READ : p |
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| 22:39.27 | Texrat | hey crashanddie |
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| 22:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, seems pretty reasonable |
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| 22:42.06 | dmj7261 | How did GSoC students for maemo get picked last year? |
| 22:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, although I feel a strong desire to murder you for using "he/she" |
| 22:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | "they" is the pronoun you're looking for. |
| 22:42.36 | Arif_ | found another bug |
| 22:42.38 | Arif_ | :D |
| 22:42.44 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, also, bold is basically undistinguishable on the last slide |
| 22:42.49 | GeneralAntilles | Might switch to italics. |
| 22:46.06 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: "they" is plural |
| 22:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, this isn't 1920. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They#Usage |
| 22:47.05 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: so grammatical errors become OK when Canada uses them? |
| 22:47.18 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, English is a living language. |
| 22:47.21 | dmj7261 | many people accept a singular they |
| 22:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | The vast majority of people accept it, I'd argue. |
| 22:47.41 | GeneralAntilles | he/she is awkward and ridiculous |
| 22:47.45 | dmj7261 | Grammar nazi me accepts it |
| 22:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | Either or tends to offend people |
| 22:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | finds feminine pronoun usage ridiculously PC. |
| 22:48.16 | lupine_85 | s/he is the way forward |
| 22:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | lupine_85, kill. me. no. |
| 22:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | s/no/now/ |
| 22:48.34 | lupine_85 | hehe |
| 22:48.39 | dmj7261 | I'd argue that a singular they is the least objectionable option. |
| 22:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | dmj7261, by far |
| 22:48.55 | lupine_85 | except it's not really singular |
| 22:48.59 | luke-jr | 'he' works fine, kthx |
| 22:49.00 | dmj7261 | pronounced s slash he |
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| 22:49.06 | timeless_mbp | they, please |
| 22:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | and judging by usage accepted by most people. |
| 22:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, pfft. |
| 22:49.27 | luke-jr | even spivak is better than "singular they" |
| 22:49.44 | luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun |
| 22:49.54 | lupine_85 | i need mobile ipv6 on my n900! |
| 22:50.13 | lupine_85 | to go with a decent muc client ;) |
| 22:50.35 | dmj7261 | not "singular they", using "they" to refer to a single person whose gender is not important. |
| 22:51.00 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, good lord that's horrifying. |
| 22:51.50 | dmj7261 | um...people won't adopt that, and will be confused if you use Ey |
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| 22:51.50 | andre__ | being PC must be hard. |
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| 22:52.09 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, that it must. |
| 22:52.59 | ds3 | are you discriminating against androids by not using he/she/it?????? :D |
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| 22:53.26 | lupine_85 | s/he/it |
| 22:53.29 | lupine_85 | hnnnnnnnnng |
| 22:53.40 | nid0 | don't androids generally have a gender? |
| 22:54.36 | luke-jr | dmj7261: that's what "he" is for :) |
| 22:54.36 | lupine_85 | androgynes, normally |
| 22:55.30 | Hukka | Well, you could check what the android dreams of. Like men usually dream of women, and vice versa. |
| 22:55.51 | Texrat | is amazed to find self agreeing with GeneralAntilles :p |
| 22:56.08 | Texrat | he/she/they makes a good argument :p |
| 22:56.12 | Texrat | or it |
| 22:56.15 | nid0 | what happens if you get a gay android, you'd get it's gender wrong then |
| 22:56.20 | sejo | if I create a python tool how can I get the windo to slide from the bottom? it's not a dialog apparently (Qt) |
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| 23:01.14 | pupnik | Texrat: do you have hands on experience with android and palm pre? |
| 23:04.18 | pupnik | please vote up Kobodeluxe. It is very ready! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kobodeluxe/0.5.1-5maemo6/ |
| 23:06.40 | Texrat | pupnik: no sorry |
| 23:07.03 | Texrat | only with Nokia devices |
| 23:07.09 | dmj7261 | I used each of those for about half an hour (droid and pre) |
| 23:07.21 | Texrat | amazingly enough I'm not really a cell phone person ;) |
| 23:07.31 | Texrat | but a gadget person to be sure |
| 23:09.47 | pupnik | same here |
| 23:10.54 | pupnik | i cou gladly leave off the phone but 3g internet on the go is a GAME changer |
| 23:12.22 | Arif_ | what's kobodeluxe |
| 23:12.42 | pupnik | try it foo! |
| 23:13.06 | Arif_ | will! |
| 23:13.07 | jebba900 | hmm. Someone sent me an inline JPG to my gmail account but i see no way to save it with the mail program. |
| 23:13.46 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/KoboDeluxe.png |
| 23:13.57 | Arif_ | how do you force the app manager to update its database? |
| 23:14.27 | cehteh | eh .. my firewall triggered on strange phone-home attempts from the n900 |
| 23:14.28 | hcarrega | refresh |
| 23:14.33 | frals | nice, got rated 4 stars with the comment "someone help me use this app i dont know how to" |
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| 23:14.45 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.46 | pupnik | what app frals ? |
| 23:14.52 | frals | fapn |
| 23:14.53 | Arif_ | oh |
| 23:14.56 | Arif_ | there's a button for it |
| 23:14.57 | Arif_ | xD |
| 23:14.59 | cehteh | ... thasts not its ip address |
| 23:15.02 | frals | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/c7ad7cf607a711dfbb27fd5b60d788218821/ |
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| 23:15.25 | Arif_ | maybe the 4 stars were for the fact he could install it |
| 23:15.55 | pupnik | i also dont understand it frals :) |
| 23:16.33 | frals | you press "add", enter a name, and your done... it really isnt hard, i promise ;) |
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| 23:17.16 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 23:17.30 | pupnik | when would i want to install it? what am i missing now? |
| 23:18.16 | cehteh | hehe .. i did that too |
| 23:18.18 | Arif_ | downloads the kobodeluxe deb manually... |
| 23:18.33 | frals | if you dont have a need to add another gprs apn, you dont need the app ;) |
| 23:18.51 | cehteh | frals: maybe give a *big* red notice "this was all, now look into your connection settings" |
| 23:19.14 | frals | cehteh: its a big system_info_banner... wonder if i can make it red :P |
| 23:19.35 | Arif_ | supply a red theme with it :P |
| 23:19.36 | cehteh | i used it only once some weeks ago, cant remember |
| 23:20.04 | Arif_ | thinks the yellow bars are kinda out of place in the dark sky theme |
| 23:21.48 | shamus | is it me or dose the n800 batery meater lie a lot i was just using it today and had the device hard crash on me and on rebood it sayed it had less then an hours charge left yet when i turnede i back off and letr it sit for a while on powering back up it was back to a 98% charge |
| 23:22.25 | Arif_ | "A hours of charge" |
| 23:23.12 | shamus | rughly one hours worth |
| 23:23.20 | shamus | oh what that was tand by |
| 23:23.29 | shamus | stand by |
| 23:23.42 | shamus | ugh i stink at explning stuff |
| 23:24.11 | shamus | but yah the batery demion seams to thorow a fuss at times |
| 23:24.48 | till- | maybe the calculation was based on the power consumption during the reboot |
| 23:24.56 | shamus | prehaps |
| 23:25.18 | shamus | yah boot realy zaps power like mad |
| 23:25.36 | till- | and were you in a different environment? |
| 23:25.51 | shamus | was indors the full time |
| 23:26.34 | till- | cold temperature has great effect on the battery |
| 23:26.43 | till- | at least in case of my n80Ã |
| 23:26.47 | till- | *n800 |
| 23:26.51 | shamus | was just odd to see the bater plumit that fast |
| 23:27.21 | shamus | when from over 98.9 to about 10% and back |
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| 23:28.06 | shamus | must have been the cold |
| 23:28.17 | till- | the age of the battery is also important |
| 23:28.31 | till- | mine is 2,5 years or so and drops capcity quiet fast |
| 23:28.47 | Arif_ | ok.. |
| 23:28.53 | shamus | i just got the device about a month back but it was oem so the batery might be old |
| 23:29.02 | Arif_ | how do I control kobo deluxe with the keypad! |
| 23:29.45 | till- | the battery of my notebook is now 3,7 years old and lasts 10 minutes or so |
| 23:29.46 | pupnik | dunno. acellerometer sucks, right? complain about that please :) |
| 23:29.52 | Arif_ | oh |
| 23:29.58 | Arif_ | and the options menu is nearly impossible to read |
| 23:30.00 | Arif_ | even on TV out |
| 23:30.23 | pupnik | i use 'mouse' mode with stylus |
| 23:31.37 | shamus | maby i need a new batery as im lucky if i get a day of stanby |
| 23:31.49 | shamus | that or i have roge processes |
| 23:31.52 | till- | me too |
| 23:31.58 | Arif_ | me not |
| 23:32.02 | Arif_ | :( |
| 23:32.32 | pupnik | install cpumem applet to see your cpu use |
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| 23:33.32 | shamus | thestatus bar cpu app? |
| 23:33.41 | pupnik | yea |
| 23:34.01 | pupnik | if you have open websites sucking cpu that will show you |
| 23:34.07 | Arif_ | commented on kobo deluxe :) |
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| 23:34.28 | pupnik | thx Arif_ |
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| 23:34.40 | Arif_ | it's a fun game though |
| 23:34.44 | Arif_ | I don't know what the objective is yet |
| 23:34.45 | Arif_ | :D |
| 23:34.55 | Arif_ | I just fly around shooting thingymajigs |
| 23:34.56 | shamus | just idaling on home with only the defult click up anddisconected from wifii |
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| 23:35.22 | pupnik | destroy the bases |
| 23:35.49 | pupnik | gets challenging around level 6 |
| 23:36.01 | shamus | wtf python is runging in the backgroung? |
| 23:36.16 | Arif_ | I found out today that a lot of widgets have editable settings if you go to edit desktop mode! |
| 23:36.53 | Arif_ | too bad the N900 is so buggy all widgets vanish if you poke in that mode long enough :P |
| 23:37.59 | cpscotti | Arif_: pushin it to the extremes? never heard of THIS bug.. lol |
| 23:37.59 | ScribbleJ | I dunno about a lot. |
| 23:38.07 | Arif_ | no |
| 23:38.20 | Arif_ | I was just moving and poking around my icons and widgets |
| 23:38.35 | Arif_ | and then they all disappeared and I had to re add them :P |
| 23:39.16 | GAN900 | Arif_, generally crashes like that are caused by the widgets themselves. |
| 23:39.57 | ShadowJK | in the past, those kinds of crashes took down alot more than just the widgets :) |
| 23:40.12 | Arif_ | the theme went away too? :D |
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| 23:46.39 | kakashi_ | Hi |
| 23:46.45 | kakashi_ | any thoughts on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=545107#post545107 ? |
| 23:47.32 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: it is a huge project. |
| 23:47.56 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil: it is |
| 23:47.57 | SpeedEvil | All of the existing opensource solutions basically suck. |
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| 23:48.41 | kakashi_ | agreed, But I was actually looking if I could get my hands on some Google API |
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| 23:49.50 | kakashi_ | In android, they have something called speech class in Java (which is deprecated) |
| 23:50.23 | kakashi_ | I am still not aware how google does it there |
| 23:50.26 | SpeedEvil | I would question if any service promoted for android will continue to function if it's used. |
| 23:50.39 | SpeedEvil | it's technically doable. |
| 23:50.51 | kakashi_ | exaclty |
| 23:50.52 | SpeedEvil | Dragon Dictate et al ran on similar class of processor. |
| 23:51.25 | SpeedEvil | the problem is that it's probably several tens of millions of dollars of effort to get it working. |
| 23:51.54 | kakashi_ | hmm.... well, a native app may cost so much |
| 23:52.18 | cpscotti | Arif_: (as said) generally it is a prob in one of your widgets.. anyone developing widgets KNOWs that.. lol |
| 23:52.20 | kakashi_ | but something like an iPhone voice search app should be easy |
| 23:52.33 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: what do you mean? |
| 23:52.36 | Arif_ | I don't develop widgets :P |
| 23:53.11 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil: I mean, the voice search app provided by google for iPhone, should be using some API |
| 23:53.35 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: You're assuming they won't take measures to stop it working. |
| 23:53.37 | luke-jr | I have never seen any half-decent speech-to-text... |
| 23:53.56 | luke-jr | kakashi_: voice search is very different from speech-to-text |
| 23:54.03 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: never seen dragon dictate/viavoice? |
| 23:54.04 | Arif_ | soI can blame the developer of shake2control, ip showing thingymajig, fmtx widget? |
| 23:54.04 | kakashi_ | hmm... I never thought about the "evil" part of google |
| 23:54.05 | Arif_ | ;P |
| 23:54.10 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: nope |
| 23:54.10 | shamus | spech to text is a long way for being reliable |
| 23:54.50 | Arif_ | oh does someone remember the voice music search in one of those NOkia Xpresmusic phones? |
| 23:54.54 | Arif_ | that was terrible! :D |
| 23:55.05 | Arif_ | it never worked xD |
| 23:55.24 | luke-jr | speech search is logically far easier than speech-to-text |
| 23:55.31 | luke-jr | for searching, you're telling it what to look for |
| 23:55.34 | cpscotti | shamus: exaclty!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kDcUEDfmY |
| 23:55.42 | luke-jr | for the latter, it needs to guess more or less randomly |
| 23:55.47 | shamus | yep |
| 23:55.54 | Arif_ | Win Vista/7 have it too |
| 23:55.56 | Arif_ | it sometimes works :P |
| 23:56.13 | shamus | sometimes ;-) |
| 23:56.19 | nid0 | win7's speech command/search works really well for me |
| 23:56.33 | nid0 | the speech to text obviously is rather more iffy |
| 23:57.28 | Arif_ | Maemo team should fix typing search first though :P |
| 23:57.33 | cpscotti | win7? that's so... soo...... well.. I believed for some time that I would never see one of it's user here |
| 23:57.42 | kakashi_ | how do those iPhone apps, which capture the tune and tell the name of the song work? |
| 23:57.47 | cpscotti | tell me it is at your job.. where you don't have a choice! |
| 23:57.59 | nid0 | you what? |
| 23:58.00 | cpscotti | *its |
| 23:58.07 | Arif_ | cpscotti, stop being so emo |
| 23:58.19 | nid0 | why the win7 bashing, it's a perfectly good os |
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| 23:58.35 | cpscotti | Arif_: ok.. f*ck anyway |
| 23:58.37 | Arif_ | kakashi_, you mean like shazam ID on symbian? |
| 23:58.39 | shamus | song rteconition works by having a larg datables to comparre the audio to |
| 23:58.55 | Arif_ | that worked quite well :O |
| 23:59.01 | Arif_ | cpscotti, |
| 23:59.02 | Arif_ | Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate (Build #7600) |
| 23:59.03 | Arif_ | :D |
| 23:59.19 | nid0 | ms conned you out of the cost of ultimate, huh |
| 23:59.20 | nid0 | unlucky |
| 23:59.28 | Arif_ | cost? |
| 23:59.29 | cpscotti | Os: ubuntu 9.10, vista at work coz I have no choice.. |
| 23:59.30 | Arif_ | uh |
| 23:59.31 | Arif_ | sure |
| 23:59.34 | Arif_ | yeah cost! |
| 23:59.35 | Arif_ | :P |
| 23:59.41 | Arif_ | whistles |
| 23:59.46 | kakashi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.55 | nid0 | ill rephrase |
