| 00:00.14 | sivang | I wil not rest until we've suprassed iPhone. |
| 00:00.18 | aep | yeah, windows style. dont use it and it wont break |
| 00:00.20 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:00.28 | sivang | *surprassed |
| 00:00.31 | sivang | or whatever that's spelled |
| 00:00.43 | Arif_ | you'll never get 10 000 fart apps |
| 00:00.44 | Arif_ | stop trying |
| 00:00.46 | Arif_ | =D |
| 00:00.50 | sivang | and my hunch is that this situation is handled gracefully |
| 00:01.01 | sivang | in iPhone, but my iPhone hasn;t arrived yet so I couldn't check. |
| 00:01.10 | Arif_ | why would you want an iPhone |
| 00:01.26 | sivang | for tearing down , testing and specification extraction to N900 |
| 00:01.30 | aep | i guess i'll just wait then. maybe some dev gets annoyed enough to fix it |
| 00:01.31 | sivang | or N9XX / MeeGo |
| 00:01.48 | Arif_ | I was going for android |
| 00:01.54 | lcuk | fix what? |
| 00:02.02 | Arif_ | but I couldn't stream live tv |
| 00:02.03 | Arif_ | :P |
| 00:02.09 | aep | or hm.. i wonder if i could just roll my own fixed kernel. you need to flash the kernel dont you? not as easy as on pc |
| 00:02.19 | sivang | Arif_: I used to work for ChipPC, and the owner and Director of R&D taught me some nice lessons. |
| 00:02.19 | lcuk | aep, fixes what |
| 00:02.24 | lcuk | your power problem |
| 00:02.27 | lcuk | or the download |
| 00:02.36 | aep | i have lots of problems. the phone is basicly unusable |
| 00:02.39 | Arif_ | sivang, what lessons? :O |
| 00:02.52 | aep | power is one problem that could be fixed easily manually, yes |
| 00:03.00 | Arif_ | "don't buy rotten apples"? |
| 00:03.14 | jacekowski | don't buy apple |
| 00:03.15 | ptl | x11-utils was not available through application manager, I had to install it via apt-get |
| 00:03.24 | sivang | Arif_: when you want to beat competition, learn as much as you can from them. |
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| 00:03.43 | Arif_ | buy me one too |
| 00:03.45 | sivang | Arif_: http://www.chippc.com/company/index.asp?p=3934805141 , I was on the userland for Thinx OS |
| 00:03.46 | Arif_ | I'll help you research |
| 00:03.48 | Arif_ | xD |
| 00:03.50 | sivang | Arif_: hehe ;) |
| 00:04.18 | sivang | Arif_: It is very hard to explain the stores that I *don't* want a line and data plan and whatnot. |
| 00:04.30 | sivang | as I already have enough sims to put in |
| 00:04.31 | N900evil | ok - this is silly. anyone heard anymore about uk firmware |
| 00:04.36 | Arif_ | iPhone is an overpriced toy =) |
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| 00:04.51 | sivang | Arif_: and has a microkernel! |
| 00:05.03 | ptl | do you guys use any case for the N900? |
| 00:05.04 | aep | it can make calls apparantly :P |
| 00:05.04 | Arif_ | a whatnow |
| 00:05.09 | aep | unlike the n900 |
| 00:05.25 | ptl | or rubber ones |
| 00:05.25 | sivang | aep: only that :) |
| 00:05.27 | ptl | hard cases |
| 00:05.34 | Arif_ | aep, they sold you an N800 for 600 |
| 00:05.35 | Arif_ | :P |
| 00:05.53 | aep | nah. just a broken n900 i guess. |
| 00:06.08 | Arif_ | mine makes phonecalls over skype sip and gsm |
| 00:06.14 | Arif_ | it'd be nice if MSN could do that too |
| 00:06.19 | aep | yeah sip works. gsm fails |
| 00:06.22 | sivang | ptl: it is actually quite a resistive box, although the scratches are getting high in numbers :) |
| 00:06.33 | Arif_ | why don't you get a replacement |
| 00:06.35 | aep | at least sip works. first nokia that can do sip relyable :D |
| 00:06.37 | ptl | sivang: so you don't use... |
| 00:06.41 | lcuk | eap what g network does it find |
| 00:06.45 | lcuk | and signal strength etc |
| 00:06.50 | sivang | ptl: nahh, scratches add charachter to it |
| 00:06.56 | aep | Arif_: because i got it from the US, and nokia germany doesnt take it back |
| 00:06.57 | sivang | ptl: I don't |
| 00:06.59 | ptl | lol |
| 00:07.11 | Arif_ | stop buying outside your country ! |
| 00:07.13 | sivang | ptl: I will get something only I havve to do it from ebay or so |
| 00:07.19 | aep | Arif_: it finds the network. GPRS works just fine. phone app crashes |
| 00:07.24 | sivang | ptl: since N900 nor N97 MIni are official here. |
| 00:07.29 | sivang | ptl: (Israel) |
| 00:07.32 | lcuk | ptl damn so thats why - its using all the power connecting to cells in the us! |
| 00:07.34 | ptl | aep: in my country, there are laws that force Nokia Brasil to take responsibility for any device I bought from Nokia around the world |
| 00:07.45 | aep | ptl: really? maybe in mine too |
| 00:07.48 | lcuk | errr aep sorrt |
| 00:08.02 | Arif_ | have you tried reflashing it? |
| 00:08.05 | aep | lcuk: sorry? |
| 00:08.12 | aep | Arif_: with what? the tools are windows only |
| 00:08.18 | Arif_ | no they're not |
| 00:08.22 | Arif_ | not for N900 |
| 00:08.23 | sivang | lughs when trying to explain the 19 year old female rep why he doesn't need the 32GB iPhone |
| 00:08.24 | lcuk | your phone is connecting to us cell towers! |
| 00:08.26 | aep | really? cool |
| 00:08.27 | sivang | *laughs |
| 00:08.27 | ptl | In 1999 I broke the screen of my Palm Pilot... And as Palm Brasil didn't have technical assistance for it, I just got a new device |
| 00:08.33 | lcuk | and linux flasher is easily available |
| 00:08.39 | aep | googles |
| 00:08.41 | lcuk | ~flashing |
| 00:08.42 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:08.47 | Arif_ | N900 has loonix flasher |
| 00:08.49 | aep | thanks |
| 00:09.03 | sivang | hehe, "methinks" |
| 00:09.07 | aep | can i flash old firmwares? |
| 00:09.12 | Arif_ | ... |
| 00:09.13 | Arif_ | no idea |
| 00:09.14 | aep | or is it locked for drm or something |
| 00:09.16 | Arif_ | why would you |
| 00:09.16 | sivang | infobot was on the cast of Little Britian ? |
| 00:09.19 | lcuk | aep, you can try |
| 00:09.29 | Arif_ | just go with 2010 02 08 |
| 00:09.32 | aep | because i want to try the new firmware, but if it is worse, i want to go back |
| 00:09.35 | lcuk | dont expect compatability with your data tho |
| 00:09.50 | lcuk | flash with == to now |
| 00:09.53 | Arif_ | sell the N900 on eBay :P |
| 00:09.55 | lcuk | then >= now |
| 00:10.07 | aep | Arif_: and back to symbian? no thanks :D |
| 00:10.12 | Arif_ | no |
| 00:10.16 | Arif_ | buy one in Germanland |
| 00:10.25 | aep | they have a broken keyboard layout |
| 00:10.48 | Arif_ | you should be more proud of your country's language! |
| 00:11.04 | Arif_ | wants a Turkish keyboard layout |
| 00:11.04 | sivang | symbian could be a breeze after some maemo bug reporting :) |
| 00:11.10 | sivang | I happen to like it alot. |
| 00:11.21 | sivang | and I've known it since I was a teenager ;) |
| 00:11.27 | Arif_ | symbian is cool |
| 00:11.32 | Arif_ | it's so easy to use |
| 00:11.36 | sivang | it is, seriously |
| 00:12.02 | aep | can i some sort of backup my data? without the windows tools? |
| 00:12.08 | Arif_ | yes |
| 00:12.11 | aep | maybe to flash card |
| 00:12.12 | Lumpio- | Don't get me started on Symbian |
| 00:12.13 | Arif_ | you can make a backup on the phone |
| 00:12.20 | aep | hm cool |
| 00:12.34 | Arif_ | hands Lumpio- a symbian phone |
| 00:12.41 | Lumpio- | I already have one. |
| 00:12.44 | lcuk | aep the phone memory is in 2 halves, when you reflash normally, the ~30gb is not touched |
| 00:13.01 | arachnist | http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/ <| lol |
| 00:13.05 | lcuk | that is only rewritten when you flash the eMMC |
| 00:13.05 | sivang | lcuk: so there's a rollback there? |
| 00:13.09 | aep | lcuk: ah. you said data is lost |
| 00:13.19 | lcuk | /home/user vanishes |
| 00:13.36 | lcuk | /home/user/MyDocs is on a different partition |
| 00:13.40 | aep | ah that i can backup ov3er ssh |
| 00:13.44 | lcuk | this is where the data from "backup" is stored |
| 00:13.45 | Arif_ | still isn't used to loonix :D |
| 00:14.00 | aep | i was worried about my contacts |
| 00:15.55 | sivang | man, facebook's captchs are getting harder and harder to read. |
| 00:16.12 | sivang | aep: contacts are saved in the backup, IIRC |
| 00:16.13 | Arif_ | is too lonely to have facebook :'( |
| 00:16.36 | openstandards | how long are getting on your battery life mine seems to be dying within hours |
| 00:16.50 | Arif_ | I get 2 days |
| 00:16.53 | Arif_ | on average |
| 00:16.53 | sivang | openstandards: as said before, same here. |
| 00:16.53 | dassu | I get 1 day |
| 00:16.54 | ptl | orkut is much better than facebook |
| 00:16.58 | aep | openstandards: since recently, or since you got it? |
| 00:17.00 | pupnik | always within 5 to 25 hours |
| 00:17.12 | ptl | openstandards: I use my cellphone all the time, so it doesn't last a day |
| 00:17.17 | sivang | ptl: true, but the only israeli brazilian girl I Know there doesn't repond to my msgs |
| 00:17.21 | openstandards | aep, both but seems worst these days |
| 00:17.31 | Arif_ | sivang, she's playing hard to get! |
| 00:17.37 | lcuk | i last took my devices off charge last night |
| 00:17.40 | sivang | Arif_: nahh, she's just ignoring. |
| 00:17.45 | Arif_ | aww |
| 00:17.51 | Arif_ | find her and hit her! |
| 00:18.04 | ptl | sivang: try using testimonials, brazilian people use *that* for private messages :P |
| 00:18.18 | openstandards | went into to work at 5:30 with it charged by 11 it was dead |
| 00:18.27 | Arif_ | wow |
| 00:18.29 | Arif_ | what are you doing with it |
| 00:18.56 | openstandards | might be cos i had some windows open but nothing major |
| 00:19.01 | lcuk | my batteries are still nearly full |
| 00:19.22 | openstandards | 2 windows and connected via 3g |
| 00:19.24 | Arif_ | wifi/3g is the biggest battery drain |
| 00:19.30 | Arif_ | :D |
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| 00:19.45 | sp3000 | those darned intarwebs |
| 00:19.49 | openstandards | i do keep mine constantly connected to the net :) |
| 00:20.01 | Arif_ | I really hope they'll add disconnect on no data usage soon |
| 00:20.11 | cehteh | opengl (games) are the biggiest battery drain |
| 00:20.12 | ptl | does 3G drain more than the GPS? |
| 00:20.13 | Arif_ | I have to manually disconnect everytiem I'm done |
| 00:20.15 | Arif_ | XD |
| 00:20.30 | cehteh | well better all at once |
| 00:20.31 | openstandards | i hope they sort out the codec bug sometime soon |
| 00:20.38 | openstandards | thats highly annoying |
| 00:20.47 | Arif_ | yeah |
| 00:20.51 | cehteh | run quake arena online over 3g |
| 00:20.53 | Arif_ | they should add TS support |
| 00:21.07 | Arif_ | cehteh, and share your location wtih GPS? |
| 00:21.21 | openstandards | you play a file with a missing codec.... go back and play another with the right codec however it refuses to work |
| 00:21.33 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 00:21.36 | Arif_ | I should try that |
| 00:21.38 | Arif_ | wait |
| 00:21.39 | Arif_ | I did |
| 00:21.49 | Arif_ | and I coudln't reproduce it |
| 00:21.50 | sivang | and the box heats like a small microwave when it 3g's/wifi's |
| 00:21.55 | Arif_ | but maybe that's becasue it was a stream |
| 00:22.02 | cehteh | Arif_: use gps to control quake :P |
| 00:22.02 | openstandards | Arif_, music or video |
| 00:22.09 | Arif_ | video |
| 00:22.10 | sivang | openstandards: ogg/oga codecs not indexed in media player? |
| 00:22.24 | Arif_ | a TS muxed stream with H264 video and MPEG4 audio |
| 00:22.29 | Arif_ | it didn't play ={ |
| 00:22.43 | Arif_ | KMPlayer plays it after 5 hours of buffering :P |
| 00:23.01 | sivang | kmplayer is oodd |
| 00:23.02 | openstandards | sivang, i think its h264, not sure it was a downloaded file so not sure what it was encoded with |
| 00:23.02 | sivang | odd |
| 00:23.02 | felipec | sivang: not unless you have the ogg package |
| 00:23.11 | sivang | felipec: I Have them |
| 00:23.19 | sivang | felipec: still no media shows inthe player |
| 00:23.38 | Arif_ | try tracker-processes -r in the terminal |
| 00:23.41 | Arif_ | and then star the media player? |
| 00:23.41 | sivang | felipec: and mime association is broken as well, as in I have to "open-with" and choose "Media Player (extended codecs) |
| 00:23.44 | sivang | " |
| 00:23.59 | sivang | felipec: instead of "Media Player" |
| 00:24.13 | sivang | felipec: drives me crazy since all my english deperation songs are in ogg/oga |
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| 00:24.27 | Arif_ | stop using weird audio formats! |
| 00:24.41 | sivang | like, open ones?? ;) |
| 00:24.49 | sivang | I am using ogg since its day one |
| 00:24.49 | Arif_ | yes |
| 00:24.54 | Arif_ | use MP3! |
| 00:25.00 | Arif_ | or eAAC+! |
| 00:25.03 | ptl | also likes ogg and ogm |
| 00:25.03 | sivang | oh dear |
| 00:25.14 | ptl | use encrypted wmv's!!! :P |
| 00:25.17 | sivang | hehe |
| 00:25.25 | Arif_ | real adio ftw! |
| 00:25.30 | openstandards | yuck wmv.....wma :) |
| 00:25.32 | sivang | gives ptl a glass of water |
| 00:26.04 | openstandards | what do you think of the news that google are looking to buy a video codec company |
| 00:26.17 | Arif_ | real networks? |
| 00:26.33 | sivang | openstandards: they have too much money on their hands? |
| 00:26.42 | Arif_ | I can take their money |
| 00:26.46 | Arif_ | =P |
| 00:26.59 | sivang | thinks he should tell google to "buy" ogg, as in invest money in its advancement and develop,ent |
| 00:27.07 | openstandards | sivang, its suppose to be a better file format than h264 |
| 00:27.43 | sivang | Arif_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/381933/ |
| 00:28.40 | Arif_ | now start the media player |
| 00:28.53 | openstandards | http://www.breakitdownblog.com/google-finalizes-on2-video-codec-company-acquisition/ sivang :) |
| 00:29.05 | sivang | openstandards: hmm, interesting |
| 00:29.25 | sivang | openstandards: hahah! |
| 00:29.32 | sivang | this is the first time I see it. |
| 00:29.41 | sivang | okay, so google aren't that evil I guess :) |
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| 00:51.35 | ShadowJK | I think the thing that will make h264 "win" html5 is inertia |
| 00:52.04 | ShadowJK | sorenson h263 and vp6 were bad enough that people upgraded to h264 for flash |
| 00:52.41 | ShadowJK | and now they can just put the same h264 in html5 without needing 50,000 new servers if they'43 69757+3 |
| 00:52.49 | ShadowJK | uh |
| 00:52.58 | ShadowJK | if they're youtube :P |
| 00:53.34 | ShadowJK | Theora isn't a rdical improvement on h264, most consider it lower quality |
| 00:53.35 | sivang | so , I wanted to support Stskeeps but the login just killed my last bit of power bfore going to sleep. |
| 00:53.40 | sivang | Tomorrow is another day! |
| 00:54.01 | sivang | Good NIght all! don;t sleep with our tablets next to your head like I do! |
| 00:54.21 | ShadowJK | i always do that |
| 00:54.24 | sivang | (I wake up sweating for new emails arriving throughout the night) |
| 00:54.33 | sivang | ShadowJK: ;-> |
| 00:54.46 | sivang | ShadowJK: feels you're connected isn't it? |
| 00:55.04 | ShadowJK | I dont have email checking on ;) |
| 00:55.18 | sivang | ShadowJK: I have ti all, again in sack of testing. |
| 00:55.32 | sivang | ShadowJK: emails, IMs, facebook, weather |
| 00:55.45 | sivang | sake |
| 00:55.51 | sivang | ^^ hmm getting tired |
| 00:55.57 | ShadowJK | Yeah, weather. it says -28C |
| 00:56.10 | ShadowJK | it makes me not want to leave my warm bed |
| 00:56.10 | sivang | badnwidth meters, ip reporter, processes |
| 00:56.17 | sivang | ShadowJK: you need to get to work? |
| 00:56.36 | ShadowJK | no luckily i have the week off |
| 00:56.38 | sivang | 13c here |
| 00:56.47 | sivang | winter is leaving us before it started :-( |
| 00:56.54 | sivang | we're in mid-feb |
| 00:57.02 | sivang | and already had 2 very hot weeks |
| 00:57.34 | ShadowJK | when it gets light outside I'll have to go fetch more firewood, start a fire, and go back mto sleep |
| 00:57.51 | ptl | don't complain about warmth |
| 00:58.23 | ptl | it's too hot here |
| 00:59.08 | sivang | feels to me that global warming is real :/ |
| 00:59.25 | sivang | and the intervals between exterem weather events are shortening in an alarming rate. |
| 00:59.43 | sivang | to the point where they'd be the avg. of the graphc not the corner case points. |
| 01:02.35 | sivang | at anyway |
| 01:02.37 | sivang | good night. |
| 01:02.43 | sivang | see you all tomorrow CET. |
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| 01:33.17 | pupnik | frighteningly quiet |
| 01:34.00 | cehteh | shall i throw a needle or fart? |
| 01:34.24 | pupnik | needle is easier to dodge |
| 01:34.30 | pupnik | oh look at the time |
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| 01:34.34 | cehteh | maybe all have installed the new xchat and now dont need to stare at their screens watching for action :P |
| 01:35.17 | cehteh | do you know the openvpn maintainer for maemo? |
| 01:35.23 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.28 | cehteh | goes figuring out |
| 01:35.54 | cehteh | this update-resolv-conf script gives me pita .. why not use dnsmasq ... |
| 01:39.16 | pupnik | what are you hacking on cehteh |
| 01:41.55 | cehteh | currently -- getting openvpn properly working for me |
| 01:42.10 | cehteh | (involves some network reorganization here) |
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| 01:50.13 | pupnik | headache too strong - ttyl |
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| 02:10.52 | crashanddie_ | lol... |
| 02:11.04 | crashanddie_ | the whole of freenode is blocked by proxy |
| 02:11.12 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 02:11.13 | crashanddie_ | however https to the IP and it works fine xD |
| 02:11.23 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 02:11.37 | timeless_mbp | 'the web is more important than everything else' |
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| 02:34.49 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/22/moblic-e7-stuffs-wimax-qwerty-a-gamepad-and-all-our-dreams-an/ <- Pandora, beware :) |
| 02:35.35 | microlith | only if the processor is decent |
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| 02:49.11 | uhsf | anyone making two mini dPad like these to snap onto n900 keyboard and through it's usb port or bluetooth and the n900 is 1000000x better than this thing |
| 02:51.00 | microlith | uhsf: why, when you can use existing bluetooth controllers :) |
| 02:52.30 | uhsf | because the only decent one i found yet is the sony sixaxis and it's ~4times the size of my n900 |
| 02:53.16 | uhsf | not very practical to borrow with me |
| 02:54.00 | uhsf | i don't use my n900 much at home i use it when i'm out |
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| 03:11.25 | wiretapped | omg the mediaplayer sucks |
| 03:11.44 | wiretapped | i just made an m3u to put an album in the right order |
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| 03:12.27 | pupnik_ | and |
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| 03:12.55 | wiretapped | it loads 1 2 3 4 ... n as 1 n ... 4 3 2 |
| 03:13.04 | wiretapped | !!! |
| 03:13.24 | wiretapped | so, backwards, but with track 1 first |
| 03:14.10 | wiretapped | the fact that i can open a shell and make an m3u file with find and edit it with vi, out of the box... |
| 03:14.13 | wiretapped | is awesome |
| 03:14.31 | wiretapped | that i need to to hear an album in order... not awesome |
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| 04:56.36 | kamui | anyone know whats new in the latest version of xchat released today? |
| 04:56.42 | kamui | nothing stated in the details |
| 04:57.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo15/ |
| 04:58.39 | kamui | lame |
| 04:58.40 | kamui | thanks GA |
| 04:58.48 | kamui | I was hoping the interface was made more touch friendly |
| 04:58.52 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 04:58.52 | kamui | at least started |
| 04:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, that's, er, not a simple undertaking. |
| 04:59.00 | kamui | looks like its just a new icon and notification system |
| 04:59.04 | kamui | I know its not GeneralAntilles |
| 04:59.09 | kamui | thats why I was hoping it was started |
| 04:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, the original maintainer has been gone for a while |
| 04:59.26 | kamui | you know, in the changelog, like began laying framework for touch friendly interface |
| 04:59.29 | kamui | oic |
| 04:59.33 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 and RST38h have been doing a lot of spare-time patches and improvements. |
| 04:59.39 | kamui | thats very nice of them |
| 04:59.45 | kamui | because xchat is easily the best irc app ever |
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| 04:59.49 | kamui | next to irssi |
| 04:59.50 | kamui | :-D |
| 04:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, and neither of them have an overwhelming amount of time to reimplement the UI. ;) |
| 05:00.19 | kamui | I was thinking about writing a new client |
| 05:00.23 | kamui | calling it KamuiRC |
| 05:00.24 | kamui | :-D |
| 05:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | Do it |
| 05:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | Probably easier than getting XChat to have a nice UI. ;) |
| 05:01.07 | kamui | no point really, xchat is leaps and bounds more mature than anything written from scratch |
| 05:01.21 | kamui | plus its totally useable. I'd really just like to see at least bigger scrolling window widgets |
| 05:01.34 | kamui | I could probably live with everything else otherwise, its still moderately touch and slide friendly |
| 05:01.37 | kamui | fingerwise |
| 05:06.09 | GeneralAntilles | I'd love to find somebody to con into doing it. |
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| 05:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn, Jaffa, mwkn is good for karma whoring. |
| 05:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | (not a simple undertaking) repeating my suggestion to very simply increase size of hot area for scrollbuttons |
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| 05:41.00 | kamui | wowsers! |
| 05:41.05 | kamui | made crazy progress with blender |
| 05:41.09 | kamui | still not hardware accelerated |
| 05:41.17 | kamui | but I have the lag down to under a second |
| 05:41.42 | fredrin_cel | blender? |
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| 05:53.54 | pupnik_ | nice kamui |
| 05:54.37 | kamui | hey pupnik |
| 05:54.41 | kamui | tried the screencast applet |
| 05:54.51 | kamui | works ok with blender, but audio and video are horribly desynced |
| 05:55.17 | kamui | Ill make another video with my camera and upload it tomorrow |
| 05:56.20 | pupnik_ | sleeping .. cu |
| 05:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, clearly your new hardware target. http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/lenovo-thinkpad-bumps-bring-x201-x201s-x201t-w701-and-w701ds/ |
| 05:58.19 | crashanddie_ | interesting... |
| 05:58.26 | crashanddie_ | My laptop in the hotel room just "went to sleep" |
| 05:58.50 | crashanddie_ | [15:24] == crashanddie [~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] |
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| 05:59.19 | crashanddie_ | And I'm most definitely *not* in my hotel room |
| 05:59.46 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: you do realise it's a bit early, even for lcuk |
| 06:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, yes, I realize. |
| 06:01.31 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, but now I don't have to remember to send the link in the morning. |
| 06:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, housekeeping is saving energy. |
| 06:02.46 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: you treehugger |
| 06:03.11 | GeneralAntilles | Green is cool, yo. |
| 06:03.18 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, you see that Audi commercial from the Superbowl? |
| 06:03.26 | crashanddie_ | nope |
| 06:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq58zS4_jvM |
| 06:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | Deeply disturbing |
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| 06:04.38 | pupnik_ | why dont these cursed media players let me delete files. panucci |
| 06:05.09 | pupnik_ | im going to upload one-off fixes of this crap soon |
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| 06:06.15 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: no youtube at work |
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| 06:16.31 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, lame. |
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| 06:20.51 | Proteous | yeah, that audi comercial was not right |
| 06:21.14 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm never going to buy anything from Audi/VW. ;) |
| 06:21.45 | Proteous | I guess it was suppose to be funny but it was not funny at all |
| 06:22.10 | Proteous | in addition to making you want to smack the smug Audi driver |
| 06:22.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 06:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | Aside from being utterly offensive, it hits a little close to home to be funny. |
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| 06:23.08 | Proteous | how much tax money do you have to spend to fund a police force that goes through everyones garbage |
| 06:23.28 | Proteous | and how corrupt must a system be to pass laws with harsh penalties for not recycling a plastic bottle |
| 06:23.34 | Proteous | yeah |
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| 06:25.25 | Proteous | fuck, the damn expressions of fear on the peoples faces when they saw that the recycling police were after them |
| 06:25.29 | Proteous | anyway |
| 06:25.31 | Proteous | gah |
| 06:25.51 | Proteous | I'll be in the other room pouring myself a stiff drink |
| 06:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a plan. |
| 06:28.51 | jo-erlend | i just bought myself an n900 yesterday. must say i'm impressed,though it'll t*ke some getting used to the keyboard.. |
| 06:29.02 | GeneralAntilles | About 2-3 weeks. |
| 06:30.35 | jo-erlend | i'm already writing faster on this than some people write on fullsize keyboards :) |
| 06:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | except if you got a crippled german wertzu kbd |
| 06:30.59 | jo-erlend | wertzu? |
| 06:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | that's what the german layout is called in Germany |
| 06:31.48 | jo-erlend | i didn't know they had a different layout there. |
| 06:31.50 | pupnik_ | l8r |
| 06:31.57 | pupnik_ | how kind of you DocScrutinizer |
| 06:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | the nasty part though are the missing up/down direct keys |
| 06:32.19 | pupnik_ | jo-erlend: and other countries have different ones also |
| 06:32.32 | jo-erlend | i know. |
| 06:32.46 | jo-erlend | weird |
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| 06:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: ?? |
| 06:39.15 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 06:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
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| 06:46.47 | Proteous | to teach myself to touch type on a normal keyboard I popped off all the keys and rearranged them |
| 06:46.56 | Proteous | this is much harder to do on the n900 |
| 06:49.42 | jo-erlend | why is there a tombstone for maemo in the topic? |
| 06:49.54 | Proteous | meeeeeeegooooooo |
| 06:50.00 | Proteous | of doooooommmmmmm |
| 06:50.07 | jo-erlend | hmm? |
| 06:50.10 | Proteous | meego |
| 06:50.22 | jo-erlend | .... |
| 06:50.32 | Proteous | and parternership of nokia and intel to combine maemo and moogle |
| 06:50.38 | Proteous | or whatever the intel OS is |
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| 06:51.28 | Proteous | http://meego.com/ |
| 06:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | gremlin |
| 06:51.48 | jo-erlend | bad time for beginning with maemo then? |
| 06:51.54 | Proteous | who knows |
| 06:52.05 | Proteous | depends on what you want out of it |
| 06:52.20 | Proteous | if you want an OS that is going to be around in 10 years then you are screwed with anything you pick |
| 06:52.38 | Proteous | if you want a phone OS that will be around in 2 years then it's pretty much the same thing |
| 06:52.50 | Proteous | IMHO |
| 06:53.32 | Proteous | they will have to pull my n900 from my cold dead hands, or offer me something with dual snapdragon 1ghz CPUs |
| 06:53.45 | Proteous | and a mostly open OS |
| 06:54.06 | Proteous | and good controls for gaming |
| 06:54.16 | Proteous | god I want a phone with a decent D-pad |
| 06:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | dpad, yeah |
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| 06:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Proteous, Snapdragon sucks. |
| 06:55.57 | Proteous | yeah? |
| 06:56.00 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP4440, baby! |
| 06:56.06 | Proteous | heh |
| 06:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | Sucks is strong, but it's no OMAP. |
| 06:56.15 | GeneralAntilles | No DSP, no graphics |
| 06:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | Limited cache. |
| 06:56.22 | Proteous | boo |
| 06:56.32 | GeneralAntilles | So that 1GHz isn't quite OMAP3 1GHz. |
| 06:56.44 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, Qualcomm is just fucking evil. :P |
| 06:57.26 | Proteous | maybe intel will pull a sweet SOAC out of somewhere dank and smelly |
| 06:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | Atom is gross for low power |
| 06:57.46 | Proteous | I'm sure they would really like to get farther into that market |
| 06:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | I'm all about the TI, honestly. |
| 06:57.53 | GeneralAntilles | Open source friendly, good hardware. |
| 06:57.58 | Proteous | yeah |
| 06:58.05 | jo-erlend | ti rocks. |
| 06:58.16 | Proteous | but will we get a TI chip from nokia not that they are in bed with intel? |
| 06:58.20 | RST38h | SnapDragon has no graphics? |
| 06:58.22 | Proteous | er, now |
| 06:58.23 | RST38h | Really? |
| 06:58.43 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine they'd drop TI. |
| 06:58.51 | RST38h | ÿ |
| 06:58.53 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo is the only thing that's really suite for x86 |
| 06:58.57 | RST38h | happened before |
| 06:59.02 | GeneralAntilles | and they've got the whole rest of their product line. |
| 06:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, as far as I'm aware |
| 06:59.06 | jo-erlend | they won't drop TI. |
| 06:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | Graphics is on another chip |
| 06:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | I wont be buying an Atom SoC-based phones, that's for damn sure. |
| 06:59.25 | RST38h | mhm, weird |
| 06:59.36 | Proteous | RST38h: it does video decoding but doesn't have any GPU functionality |
| 06:59.38 | RST38h | Ah, just wait and see... |
| 06:59.40 | Proteous | acording to wikipedia |
| 07:01.25 | jo-erlend | i'm looking forward to cortex-a9. dual core arm will make it a bit more suitable for real desktops. |
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| 07:10.23 | Stork91 | hello |
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| 07:11.01 | Stork91 | I am very new to my n810 and I am looking for help in changin my boot splash. I dont wan tto change the Nokia. I actually like that. I do want to change the hands though. |
| 07:11.16 | Stork91 | I know that I have to chage out a file in the root directory, |
| 07:11.23 | Stork91 | and I can even view that file in GPE |
| 07:11.36 | Stork91 | but I cannot move, change, rename, or alter that file from GPE |
| 07:11.53 | Stork91 | can anyone tell me the easiest way to handle this task? |
| 07:11.56 | timeless_mbp | Stork91: this is what i did for the n900: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/maemo-splash-0.1/ |
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| 07:13.34 | Stork91 | several problems with that. For starters I am still on a n810, which uses a image file. Two to be precise. |
| 07:13.59 | Stork91 | second, I do not have acess to a LInux pc, so I will have to do all of this from a windows operating system. |
| 07:15.11 | Stork91 | I know how to do it, in that I know which files to alter, and the specs for those files. |
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| 07:15.20 | Stork91 | I need to know how to actually change the files. |
| 07:15.43 | Stork91 | Since you cannot do it from GPE and they are not readily visible from explorer i windows. |
| 07:17.50 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
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| 07:18.12 | timeless_mbp | plugs in an n800 |
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| 07:18.34 | timeless_mbp | well so um |
| 07:18.43 | Stskeeps | morning timeless_mbp |
| 07:18.48 | timeless_mbp | hi |
| 07:18.52 | Stork91 | stskeeps |
| 07:18.54 | timeless_mbp | the directory shown there is the source for a .deb |
| 07:19.06 | timeless_mbp | the .deb is responsible for munging files that you normally can't touch |
| 07:19.19 | Stork91 | do you know to edit the root for the n810 from windows? |
| 07:19.19 | timeless_mbp | doesn't see how that part of things is remotely interesting |
| 07:19.26 | timeless_mbp | "you don't" |
| 07:19.27 | timeless_mbp | next. |
| 07:19.33 | Stork91 | ok... |
| 07:19.35 | Stskeeps | Stork91: 'ssh'? |
| 07:19.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:19.48 | RST38h | moos at Stskeeps |
| 07:19.51 | timeless_mbp | Stork91: how about looking at what the package i pointed to you does? |
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| 07:20.05 | timeless_mbp | instead of just grumbling about windows and totally different n900 |
| 07:20.21 | timeless_mbp | notes that the nokia hands on the n8x0 includes a sound |
| 07:20.31 | Stskeeps | but isn't an animation |
| 07:20.33 | Stork91 | the package you pointed me to is for the n900\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 07:20.37 | Stork91 | bbl |
| 07:20.40 | Stork91 | have to go give a test |
| 07:20.53 | timeless_mbp | not a test, a read |
| 07:21.06 | timeless_mbp | look at what it does and how |
| 07:21.08 | timeless_mbp | learn from it |
| 07:21.32 | Sandman | someone seen this? http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fopensource.idg.se%2F2.1014%2F1.296909%2Fse-nokias-oppna-multi-touch---pa-windows-7 |
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| 07:21.59 | timeless_mbp | Sandman: translation sucks |
| 07:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | suggests install rootsh |
| 07:23.57 | timeless_mbp | Stork91: http://www.rcramer.com/gadgets/n800/boot.shtml |
| 07:24.34 | Sandman | i know.. but the funny part is that Nokia blame Linux. Multi-touch are working if you run GTK+ for what i know. |
| 07:24.36 | timeless_mbp | Stork91: 'sudo gainroot' is your friend |
| 07:24.50 | timeless_mbp | Sandman: so um |
| 07:24.59 | timeless_mbp | do you speak the language the article was actually written in/ |
| 07:25.10 | timeless_mbp | because the translation is so bad that it could have said anything in the original |
| 07:25.12 | Sandman | yeah.. (swedish) |
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| 07:26.34 | Stskeeps | ponders what to do today |
| 07:26.46 | jo-erlend | crap... i set a root password, but i don't remember what i used... |
| 07:26.56 | timeless_mbp | jo-erlend: sudo gainroot |
| 07:27.11 | timeless_mbp | (or install a package that removes the password) |
| 07:28.05 | timeless_mbp | Stork91: personally, i'd make a package, just as i did for the n900 |
| 07:28.19 | timeless_mbp | the advantage is that if you ever reflash, you can reinstall the package to reapply the customization |
| 07:28.25 | timeless_mbp | instead of manually doing the work again |
| 07:28.36 | timeless_mbp | packages essentially document the changes you've done to system files |
| 07:28.43 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 07:28.58 | timeless_mbp | my n800 turned on fairly quickly and connected to my wifi network w/o issue |
| 07:29.15 | timeless_mbp | hasn't used it in ages and is moderately surprised/impressed |
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| 07:31.15 | Stskeeps | i'm really destroying a lot of my SB1 rootstraps with this maemo-on-omap script to make images |
| 07:31.29 | Stskeeps | by running it in the wrong target |
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| 07:33.30 | ds3 | anyone know if dell takes coupons for the N900? |
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| 07:35.29 | Shapeshifter | how's vpnc working for you lot? it works here but the connection breaks off after a couple of minutes, or becomes unrecoverable if the wlan disconnects. if it breaks down once, I cant connect agian, even if I killed all vpnc instances. |
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| 07:45.00 | Stskeeps | hey ClaesBas |
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| 08:02.04 | dmb | hides from Stskeeps |
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| 08:02.24 | lardman|home | morning |
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| 08:03.11 | RST38h | mourning lardman |
| 08:03.15 | RST38h | how are things? |
| 08:05.10 | lardman|home | hi RST38h, not bad, you? |
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| 08:05.31 | Stskeeps | moo dmb |
| 08:05.32 | RST38h | lardman: 4th day of the long weekend |
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| 08:06.58 | dmb | Stskeeps: how you been? |
| 08:07.04 | Stskeeps | good |
| 08:07.19 | lardman|home | RST38h: long weekend? |
| 08:07.39 | RST38h | lardman: 23th if the local version of the father's day |
| 08:07.47 | dmb | i want me a device that that can run Maemo :P |
| 08:07.53 | Stskeeps | dmb: get n900 :P |
| 08:07.55 | RST38h | lardman: next saturday has been moved to 22th, 4 weekends |
| 08:08.01 | dmb | any chance of any cdma versions coming out? |
| 08:08.02 | lardman|home | RST38h: ah ok, sounds nice :) |
| 08:08.02 | Stskeeps | dmb: i know you from .. inspircd wasn't it? |
| 08:08.07 | Stskeeps | dmb: doubt it |
| 08:08.15 | dmb | Stskeeps: yup |
| 08:08.35 | dmb | and that other evil ircd :P |
| 08:08.36 | Stskeeps | ah, did w00t turn another one? |
| 08:08.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:09.09 | dmb | turn another one? |
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| 08:09.51 | Stskeeps | we have this ongoing joke that he makes n900 customers out of people |
| 08:09.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 08:11.05 | RST38h | are tentacles involved? |
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| 08:12.27 | tigert | morning |
| 08:12.54 | Stskeeps | morning tigert |
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| 08:14.22 | X-Fade | morning |
| 08:14.35 | lardman|home | morning X-Fade |
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| 08:15.04 | lardman|home | Stskeeps: how's work coming along on the PVR stuff out of interest? |
| 08:15.22 | Stskeeps | lardman|home: released by TI but it's now up to community to make something sane out of things |
| 08:15.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:15.33 | Stskeeps | i think we can use it to accelerate cairo and Qgraphicsview in qt4.6 |
| 08:15.41 | lardman|home | Stskeeps: oh, I didn't realise it had been released with a proper licence |
| 08:15.50 | Stskeeps | well, proper is a matter of definition\ |
| 08:15.59 | Stskeeps | but at least it ships with debug symbols |
| 08:16.27 | lardman|home | this is not the same code we were looking at before then? It's gone back to Ti to be signed off for release? |
| 08:16.42 | Stskeeps | it is roughly the same but with SDK on top |
| 08:17.01 | lardman|home | ok |
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| 08:57.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:58.01 | mece | jaffa, mornin' |
| 08:58.04 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Got to make up for the broken and revamped karma system somehow ;-) |
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| 09:02.53 | Stork91 | timeless_mbp: I know everything in that link you gave me already. |
| 09:03.01 | Stork91 | im looking for a way to modify the files. |
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| 09:03.50 | Stork91 | I want to know how to get to the root directory in my n810 from inside of windows, or inside of maemo |
| 09:04.02 | Stork91 | and then change it. |
| 09:04.05 | Stork91 | modify it. |
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| 09:09.35 | Stork91 | there is already an install for a way to change your splash screen to a thing from ATHF as well as a maemo display... |
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| 09:10.05 | Stork91 | is there not an ap that automatically takes a spcified image and makes it the load screen? |
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| 09:11.46 | fcrozat | wonders if gmail notifier has been ported to maemo5 |
| 09:11.56 | timeless_mbp | Stork91: err |
| 09:12.04 | timeless_mbp | 1. copy the file from windows to your n900 |
| 09:12.11 | timeless_mbp | s/900/810/ |
| 09:12.15 | timeless_mbp | 2. eject your n810 |
| 09:12.19 | timeless_mbp | 3. open xterminal |
| 09:12.29 | timeless_mbp | 4. use sudo gainroot (if it doesn't work, install rootsh) |
| 09:12.34 | timeless_mbp | 5. follow the instructions |
| 09:12.38 | fcrozat | since my 3G operator bills IMAP4 (not included in internet access) and since Nokia Messaging beta trial is now over :( |
| 09:12.49 | timeless_mbp | 6. if you can't follow these instructions, then don't bother, you're going to break your device |
| 09:12.59 | timeless_mbp | (go read a book about linux?) |
| 09:13.01 | jacekowski | fcrozat: not included? |
| 09:13.18 | jacekowski | fcrozat: i would make a complin |
| 09:13.21 | jacekowski | complain* |
| 09:13.37 | fcrozat | jacekowski: I have something like 200MB for "everything but mail" and 10MB for imap4/pop3 |
| 09:13.46 | hrw | morning |
| 09:13.48 | jacekowski | fcrozat: 200M? |
| 09:13.51 | fcrozat | you can't complain, it is part of the contract |
| 09:13.55 | jacekowski | fcrozat: that's like a nothing |
| 09:14.09 | fcrozat | jacekowski: for 3G/EDGE, it is everything I need ;) |
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| 09:14.20 | fcrozat | I use DSL at home and at work |
| 09:14.23 | jacekowski | i've got unlimited |
| 09:14.44 | fcrozat | well, France doesn't have good competitions between 3G operators. |
| 09:14.45 | hrw | jacekowski: with which operator? |
| 09:14.53 | jacekowski | t-mobile |
| 09:15.00 | jacekowski | and o2 |
| 09:15.18 | fcrozat | it "should" change, but not before 18months (4th 3G operator coming, a "real" ISP becoming operator, not a telco becoming ISP) |
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| 09:16.03 | tybollt | 1.2? anyone? |
| 09:17.24 | hrw | jacekowski: lucky you |
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| 09:18.07 | hrw | yesterday one of Polish operators called me with offer which had trilions of free minutes, free calls to other galaxies but internet at 10000000USD per 1KB |
| 09:18.15 | Stork91 | enable rd mode to gain root priviledges |
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| 09:18.47 | tybollt | hrw: and you shouted "Spierdalaj" at them? |
| 09:19.03 | fcrozat | currently, orange france is billing internet as "0.5⬠/ session (20min time)" when you don't pay a "limited unlimited 3G internet" access |
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| 09:19.15 | hrw | tybollt: I was more polite |
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| 09:19.35 | tybollt | hrw: no reason to be polite w/ telephone salesmen |
| 09:19.36 | fcrozat | is fortunate to have an old contract for 200MB 3G access for 9⬠per month, used in deduction from my prepaid card |
| 09:22.09 | Stork91 | anyone know what rd mode is? |
| 09:22.38 | hrw | Stork91: research&development |
| 09:22.42 | tybollt | Stork91: install rootsh |
| 09:22.48 | tybollt | Stork91: that will let you be root |
| 09:22.48 | hrw | Stork91: if you have to ask then do not enable it |
| 09:23.12 | tybollt | he wants root |
| 09:23.30 | tybollt | so he should go to HAM and install rootsh |
| 09:23.39 | Stork91 | ... seriously, all I want to do is change a boot screen. I know this was something popular to do, and something many people have done / want to do. Why is there not a simpler way to do this? |
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| 09:24.03 | tybollt | huh I think I saw an app for changing boot logo |
| 09:24.09 | tybollt | wait bud |
| 09:24.27 | Stork91 | like step one: create a folder in .documents |
| 09:24.51 | Stork91 | step two: put a 800x480 image in there and name it (the long name here) |
| 09:25.07 | Stork91 | step three: run this app |
| 09:25.13 | Stork91 | bootscreen changed. |
| 09:25.27 | Stork91 | not pretty. But it works. |
| 09:25.55 | tybollt | what is the appname |
| 09:26.29 | tybollt | ye |
| 09:26.33 | tybollt | there you go |
| 09:26.36 | tybollt | I have it |
| 09:26.39 | timeless_mbp | Stork91: step 1. use the guidelines from my deb as a guide to build your own deb |
| 09:26.42 | Stork91 | is it for the n810? |
| 09:26.43 | timeless_mbp | step 2. build your deb |
| 09:26.46 | timeless_mbp | step 3. install the deb |
| 09:26.54 | Stork91 | ... |
| 09:26.55 | timeless_mbp | nice, simple, easy to follow, doesn't require root |
| 09:27.01 | timeless_mbp | and i gave you that outline hours ago |
| 09:27.12 | timeless_mbp | the deb is an outline |
| 09:27.14 | tybollt | there is a package for this |
| 09:27.15 | Stork91 | I am in South korea on a work computer and the n810 is the only access i have atm until i save enouhg money to build a new rig ehre. |
| 09:27.18 | Stork91 | I am teaching english. |
| 09:27.19 | tybollt | Bootscreen |
| 09:27.25 | Stork91 | I have no way to dual boot my work computer. |
| 09:27.27 | Stork91 | Thanks. |
| 09:27.27 | tybollt | use the "bootscreen" package ok? |
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| 09:28.08 | Stork91 | tybollt where is this package? |
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| 09:34.23 | Stork91 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/bootscreen/ |
| 09:34.27 | tybollt | Stork91: in the maemo repostirories |
| 09:34.34 | Stork91 | looking for something working on the n810 |
| 09:34.46 | tybollt | ehr, spellink not so gut from ze me of today |
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| 09:38.16 | Stork91 | I am looking for a way to easily chanve the bootscreen on a Nokia n810. |
| 09:38.21 | Stork91 | Not a n900. |
| 09:38.30 | Stork91 | Package does not work. |
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| 09:38.42 | Stork91 | or does it? |
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| 09:39.04 | Stork91 | says maemo 5 |
| 09:39.10 | Stork91 | so im assuming it DOESNT |
| 09:39.19 | Stork91 | so I need something that does. |
| 09:41.02 | Stork91 | The n810 uses a image. Not a video. |
| 09:45.55 | Stork91 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/bootscreen/0.1/ |
| 09:46.04 | Stork91 | could anyone tell me how to use this on a n810? |
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| 09:59.13 | Stork91 | I am looking for a way to change the bootscreen on an n810. |
| 09:59.21 | Stork91 | I know which files to change. |
| 09:59.34 | Stork91 | I know what the files i change them to have to be, and the resolution. |
| 09:59.40 | Stork91 | I can see them in gpe. |
| 09:59.52 | Stork91 | I just want an easy way to change them. |
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| 10:02.21 | Stork91 | cannot install the bootscreen package. In compatible package. |
| 10:02.31 | Stork91 | so im gussing it is for maemo 5 and not 4 |
| 10:02.32 | Stork91 | yay |
| 10:02.53 | Stskeeps | the fremantle part should have given it aaway |
| 10:03.08 | Stork91 | Im new |
| 10:04.37 | Stork91 | I also barely know anything at all about maemo |
| 10:04.47 | Stork91 | hell i barely am familiar with anything linux |
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| 10:05.29 | Stork91 | and ignoring me until I say it didnt work and then throwing it in my face that something should have given it away is not condusive to expanding a community or solving a problem. |
| 10:06.19 | Corsac | I'm not sure either is the point anyway |
| 10:06.23 | Stskeeps | .. wtf :P |
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| 10:06.29 | Stskeeps | Stork91: go read talk.maemo.org |
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| 10:06.43 | Stskeeps | and search for boot screen or splash screen |
| 10:07.30 | Stork91 | stskeeps: have been. And so far what i can get from it is that everything and its mother is geared toward maemo 5 and later |
| 10:07.37 | Stork91 | so im screwed if i run maemo 4 |
| 10:07.57 | Stork91 | and if I have a n810 I cannot run anything higher |
| 10:08.39 | Stork91 | the n810 is not longer being developed, discussed, and has, for the most part, been dropped like a whore who got too loose and old. |
| 10:08.52 | Stskeeps | okay, let me start out by saying that you come across as a bit rude |
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| 10:09.12 | Stork91 | I am a Texan. The good news is that this is the rudest I get. |
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| 10:09.35 | Stork91 | but if i have offended, I do not mean to. |
| 10:09.44 | Stskeeps | searching for splash screen diablo got me a hint in the bottom of the posts list |
| 10:09.51 | tybollt | texan? |
| 10:10.01 | tybollt | so now we're not helping you, you'll pull a shotgun on us? :) |
| 10:10.52 | dev | is anyone using httptunnel or something similar to get around stupid data-plan restrictions? t-mobile Germany forbids email client access, jabber,... |
| 10:11.00 | Stskeeps | http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/09/custom-splash-on-it.html may still apply |
| 10:11.16 | Lumpio- | "But I'm from $place" is a lame excuse for being rude tbh |
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| 10:12.08 | Stork91 | I come in here, after searching for hours, only to hav eyou guys use one or two words different from the words I do while trying to link me to something that is an attempt to help. |
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| 10:12.33 | Stskeeps | Stork91: first off, this isn't a support channel |
| 10:12.41 | Stskeeps | you're expected to do a bunch of research yourself |
| 10:12.47 | Stork91 | The link is usually for Meamo 5, which doesnt help me at all since those are videos and not images, and are in a different directory. So the packages do not helpme. |
| 10:13.02 | nid0 | the link is clearly not for maemo 5. |
| 10:13.03 | Stork91 | but the one or two words that were different send me on another search for 2-3 hours |
| 10:13.07 | Stskeeps | the url i just pasted helps. |
| 10:13.08 | Stork91 | I then come back in here. |
| 10:13.18 | Stork91 | But as ive told you im on windows. |
| 10:13.21 | Stork91 | which means it doesnt. |
| 10:13.24 | Stork91 | at all. |
| 10:13.28 | Stork91 | and ive read that page 5 times. |
| 10:13.30 | nid0 | why not? |
| 10:13.58 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 10:13.58 | Stskeeps | winscp, dude |
| 10:14.02 | Stork91 | "Another way to cutomise your Internet Tablet, splash screens for your n770 or n800. No more nasty Nokia logo and those weird hands. This is just like custom icons on your IT. Again, this is meant for Ubuntu and Debian users. (Windows users can actually do these steps by using Putty. Which I have no experience with :( ) These are the splashes I use on my 770, but if have some you'd like to share, drop me a link in a comment and I'll try and put them up for the |
| 10:14.07 | Stork91 | im not on my personal computer |
| 10:14.11 | Stork91 | but on one at work |
| 10:14.17 | nid0 | you're just having to use putty (or winscp or any other application that scp's from windows) instead of gftp |
| 10:14.19 | Stork91 | hell, im not even on an English OS |
| 10:14.25 | nid0 | the article even suggests that |
| 10:14.39 | Stork91 | putty might as well be written in a different language for me. |
| 10:15.08 | nid0 | so in fact the link you have does perfectly help you, you just dont know how to use the tools it tells you to use |
| 10:15.12 | Stskeeps | Stork91: if you can't handle advanced changes, why are you trying to change your boot screen? it's not a supported feature |
| 10:15.27 | Stork91 | and taht sends me down another path of searching, finding, and ultimately going to both a different group of guys that will treat me same. |
| 10:15.30 | nid0 | and so would get much further by just asking how to use putty, than dismissing the guide as "useless" because you dont know how to follow it. |
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| 10:15.47 | Stork91 | Ok, any idea how to use putty? |
| 10:15.54 | Stskeeps | use winscp |
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| 10:16.01 | nid0 | sure, i use it on a daily basis, winscp is easier though |
| 10:16.08 | Stskeeps | it is like windows explorer and you have to be an idiot not to understand to use it |
| 10:16.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:16.14 | nid0 | it looks and acts exactly like any ftp client except it uses scp |
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| 10:21.30 | Stork91 | ok |
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| 10:21.33 | Stork91 | installed |
| 10:21.49 | Stork91 | so how do i get this to see the root of the device? |
| 10:22.20 | Stskeeps | install the openssh-server package from extras |
| 10:25.50 | Stork91 | unable to install openssh |
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| 10:26.01 | Stork91 | application is incompatible with currentsoftware |
| 10:26.17 | nid0 | got dropbear installed? |
| 10:26.27 | Stork91 | no. |
| 10:26.52 | Stskeeps | flash diablo |
| 10:26.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:27.09 | Stskeeps | and don't add fremantle extras repositories |
| 10:27.51 | Stork91 | I havent added any |
| 10:28.22 | Stork91 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dropbear/ |
| 10:28.28 | Stork91 | this what I need? |
| 10:29.34 | Stskeeps | no, openssh-server |
| 10:29.39 | Stskeeps | and flash diablo, what version are you on? |
| 10:30.23 | Stork91 | doesnt flashing diablo reset everything? |
| 10:30.51 | oly | why should you not add freemantel extras ? |
| 10:31.16 | Stskeeps | oly: on diablo? |
| 10:31.27 | Stskeeps | Stork91: yes, but you're obviously on an ancient version |
| 10:32.12 | oly | no idea what diablo is |
| 10:32.24 | oly | is that a version before freemantle then ? |
| 10:32.28 | Stskeeps | diablo is maemo4.1.2 |
| 10:32.51 | oly | okay, all makes sense now :) |
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| 10:57.21 | Arif_ | moo? |
| 10:58.41 | nomis | apt-get |
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| 11:00.59 | pta0007 | hi, is there any way to check whether my n900 is running the latest software? |
| 11:01.19 | frals | he, loving this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7576, went from "cant reproduce" to "fixed in xx" to "wontfix" >_< |
| 11:01.21 | povbot | Bug 7576: Capitalization on smileys lost |
| 11:03.21 | asj_ | pta0007: yes |
| 11:03.33 | Corsac | graphical smileys must die |
| 11:03.41 | hrw | +1 |
| 11:03.43 | nomis | +2 |
| 11:03.58 | pillar_ | hey does someone know an api to find a contact name for a number in python? |
| 11:04.00 | pta0007 | asj_:how then? |
| 11:04.55 | asj_ | pta0007: run the app manager |
| 11:04.59 | asj_ | and click "Update" |
| 11:05.05 | Corsac | pillar_: low level you should be able to directly ask the database, but maybe there's an rtcomm python binding? |
| 11:05.17 | frals | no rtcomm python bindings |
| 11:05.28 | frals | and python-evolution is lacking the querystuff from what ive seen |
| 11:05.39 | frals | but if you find a way, please let me know pillar |
| 11:05.58 | pillar_ | Corsac: yeah I'm hoping something higher level, I don't have any python experience but had a nice idea to modify a script that I found |
| 11:06.24 | pillar_ | frals: will do |
| 11:06.29 | lizardo | pillar_: are you the same guy who asked how to do this using ctypes on the talk.maemo.org? :) |
| 11:06.49 | pta0007 | asj_:thx :) |
| 11:07.02 | frals | i tried doing it with ctypes but got stuck when i had to pass a gboolean to the libosso-abook method and never got it working :p |
| 11:07.03 | pillar_ | lizardo: nope, pillar there as well |
| 11:07.45 | Corsac | pillar_: I had the same problem when wanted to import sms from an xml files |
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| 11:08.12 | Corsac | I didn't want to parse xml files in C at first, so I wanted to use python, but then would have had problems doing the searches and import |
| 11:08.18 | lizardo | pillar_: so there is interest by more than one person on this... see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44929&highlight=ctypes |
| 11:08.30 | Corsac | I ended up doing it in C, based on the smsimport.c I found on tmo |
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| 11:09.00 | Vanadis_Work | fuck yeah |
| 11:09.09 | Vanadis_Work | Tomb Raider runs now with about 10-15 FPS |
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| 11:09.33 | lizardo | pillar_: I'll cook up something later, but in the meanwhile, if you are interested, you can try using ctypes+libabook to get the information, based on this tutorial : http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings |
| 11:10.10 | pillar_ | lizardo: let me know if your cooking starts to smell good :) |
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| 11:10.48 | pillar_ | I might need to wait for someone else do the groundwork, python is a new experience for me |
| 11:11.07 | Arif_ | Tomb Raider? :O |
| 11:11.17 | Arif_ | someone should work on an N64 emu first |
| 11:11.25 | Arif_ | PSX isos are so big >.> |
| 11:11.26 | frals | cant wait for lizardos cookbook on how to do it properly, will speed up fMMS quite a bit i think :P |
| 11:11.50 | lupu | Any recommendations on how to get the usbserial driver for the N900/Fremantle? |
| 11:12.04 | Stskeeps | you mean g_serial, cos usb host doesn't work |
| 11:12.29 | pillar_ | frals: how are you know doing the contact integration in fmms? |
| 11:12.41 | frals | ugly as hell, sec |
| 11:12.48 | frals | http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/trees/master |
| 11:12.52 | lupu | Does usbserial really necessitate USB host mode? |
| 11:12.55 | pillar_ | lizardo: see, you already have many fans :) |
| 11:12.57 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:13.03 | frals | contacts.py is what you want to look at, with some dialogstuff in fmms_sender_ui.py |
| 11:13.24 | lupu | SpeedEvil: Interesting. Then what is the client side driver? |
| 11:13.42 | frals | basically i load a bunch of numbers and the name in to a dict.. which, needless to say, is slow :P |
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| 11:14.19 | SpeedEvil | lupu: you mean to connect a USB serial device? |
| 11:14.33 | SpeedEvil | lup: or to connect as if the n900 is a usb serial device |
| 11:15.08 | lupu | SpeedEvil: The other side is an AVR controller that I can run either in USB host or client mode. I just need to send/receive serial data with it and the N900. |
| 11:15.25 | SpeedEvil | you need to run it in USB host mode then. |
| 11:15.34 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure it can do host - many onlt do device. |
| 11:16.01 | SpeedEvil | then use the serial USB gadget driver - so the n900 acts like a serial device |
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| 11:17.03 | SpeedEvil | http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/ |
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| 11:18.32 | lupu | SpeedEvil: That seems to be what I need. |
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| 11:19.50 | SpeedEvil | BT may also be an alternative |
| 11:20.18 | lupu | SpeedEvil: That would be a rather unpleasant alternative. |
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| 11:21.46 | pillar_ | frals: are there some documentation for evolution? |
| 11:22.10 | lupu | I'll look into the USB gadget driver, thanks. |
| 11:22.13 | frals | not really no |
| 11:22.31 | frals | http://commandline.org.uk/python/three-useful-python-bindings/ |
| 11:22.35 | frals | thats what i based it on iirc |
| 11:23.05 | matthew- | hey frals ;-) |
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| 11:23.29 | frals | o/ |
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| 11:26.25 | pillar_ | frals would this maybe work for a phonenumber as well or only names? r = addresses.search('Zeth') |
| 11:28.18 | Arif_ | blinks |
| 11:28.47 | matthew- | Still no upgrade for the UK1 way. ;-) |
| 11:29.20 | frals | pillar: only numbers from my experience |
| 11:31.30 | pillar_ | frals: you mean names? |
| 11:32.15 | tybollt | Stskeeps: no, I will not stop worrying, NEVARH!11 |
| 11:32.29 | Stskeeps | tybollt: here, have this pill.. |
| 11:32.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:32.34 | tybollt | ;D |
| 11:32.46 | tybollt | Stskeeps: nice piece on tmo though... |
| 11:33.19 | lupu | 13:15 < SpeedEvil> Are you sure it can do host - many onlt do device. |
| 11:33.20 | Stskeeps | meh, it's my job, even though i wrote it in my 'free time' |
| 11:33.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:33.34 | lupu | SpeedEvil: Oh my... you're right. The controller I ordered only does OTG, not full host mode. |
| 11:34.02 | Corsac | well, OTG is a superset of host mode, isn't it? |
| 11:34.18 | Corsac | it's the ability to switch from guest to host mode, afair? |
| 11:34.27 | Corsac | so if OTG works, pure host mode should work too |
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| 11:35.12 | lupu | Corsac: That was going to be my next question. I know host mode requires rather intensive power feeds, which the controller wouldn't handle, but other than that I can't imagine a reason for not handling it. |
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| 11:37.33 | lupu | ...but my lack of imagination itself is no proof that there wouldn't be a technical limitation ;) |
| 11:38.30 | SpeedEvil | lupu: can you supply 100mA charging current? |
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| 11:39.32 | SpeedEvil | lupu: and you know that dealing with usb serial will be several orders of magnitude harder than serial? |
| 11:41.10 | asj_ | the AVR should have a set of libraries to deal with USB and provide more of the USB functions for you |
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| 11:46.35 | SpeedEvil | Well - no. |
| 11:46.49 | SpeedEvil | Many embedded processors don't. |
| 11:47.11 | SpeedEvil | They may come with some example code to do one particular thing. |
| 11:47.29 | SpeedEvil | But they generally do not come with a full suite of libraries abstracting all the hardware in them. |
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| 11:48.18 | SpeedEvil | You're supposed to do it yourself - and in the case of micros with 1 or 2K of ROM - that can be the only way some apps will fit. |
| 11:49.07 | cos^ | has anyone built qtify for maemo? |
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| 11:52.12 | Scelt_ | frals: wassup. I'm using your fMMS. nice job, man! |
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| 11:52.58 | SpeedEvil | frals: indeed - if I ever had the urge to send or recieve a mms, I would thank you deeply! |
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| 12:02.05 | lupu | SpeedEvil: Indeed, using UART would be another option if the other side(N900) would support it. |
| 12:03.12 | lupu | All USB/UART adapters I've seen assume USB Device role, which wouldn't help much in this case. |
| 12:03.34 | SpeedEvil | the easiest solution is a bt->serial adaptor. |
| 12:03.37 | SpeedEvil | Not cheap though |
| 12:05.31 | lupu | Well, the whole purpose of the project is to learn new things, so I'm not immediately drawn away by a "level of difficulty", to put it. On the other hand, I also intend to finish the project, which leaves me not wanting to do everything by hand from ground up. |
| 12:08.59 | Stork91 | im running 5.2008.43-7 |
| 12:09.12 | Stork91 | that is the version number on my os |
| 12:09.25 | Stork91 | sorry for the delay in response, I was giving another test / playing go fish with kids. |
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| 12:10.23 | Stork91 | it listerally says OS5.2008.43-7 |
| 12:10.41 | ab3339 | hello room |
| 12:10.57 | Stork91 | OS version: 5.2008.43-7 |
| 12:12.33 | lupu | Maybe CDC would be an option on the N900? Hmm... |
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| 12:14.09 | cos^ | oh well.. qtify won't even compile against current libspotify |
| 12:15.18 | cos^ | i don't understand why it's so difficult to make a decent spotify client |
| 12:15.33 | cos^ | there are tons of lastfm ones already for maemo |
| 12:15.45 | Stork91 | Stskeeps: I have the latest version already on here. |
| 12:17.52 | nid0 | man, wifi switcher makes a massive difference to battery life |
| 12:18.08 | ab3339 | how? |
| 12:18.22 | MohammadAG | so, does anyone know why this happened to my device http://i48.tinypic.com/a9fzr.png |
| 12:18.30 | nid0 | its doubling my battery life keeping wifi disabled when its not being actively used |
| 12:18.34 | ab3339 | you r talking about the "connection swictcher" applet? |
| 12:19.05 | nid0 | no, wifi switcher in testing, to disable wlan entirely |
| 12:19.08 | MohammadAG | ab3339, wifi-switcher, it's in -testing afair(emember) |
| 12:19.17 | MohammadAG | ^ |
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| 12:20.09 | ab3339 | muhammadag: u mean the "unknown" strings? |
| 12:20.11 | nid0 | seems odd that the n900's handling of wifi is so hideously inefficient that even when it's just on standby but available it halves the device's battery life :\ |
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| 12:20.32 | Stork91 | trying to talk to the people at maemo about anything is like pulling your own teeth out with two steak knives by pinching them together tightly and hopingfor the best. |
| 12:20.38 | SpeedEvil | do you have powersaving disabled nid0? |
| 12:20.39 | Stork91 | your going to bleed, youre going to go insane, and if anything comes of it, it will be because you said f#$% it, possibly break something, and managed to get one thing done at the cost of everything else. |
| 12:20.50 | nid0 | no, powersaving enabled and tx set to 10mw |
| 12:20.55 | Stork91 | <3 |
| 12:21.10 | SpeedEvil | nid0: what battery life do you get? |
| 12:21.22 | nid0 | with it set like that i get about 24 hours of battery life with light usage and the phone in range of wifi constantly, but not running im, not auto checking mail, and just updating weather every 4 hours |
| 12:21.31 | ab3339 | stork91: really? |
| 12:21.35 | ab3339 | :) |
| 12:21.35 | Stork91 | Im going to figure out hwo to change my bootscreen on my n810 if it takes me forever. |
| 12:21.53 | nid0 | with wifi switcher being used and disabling wlan when im not actively using it, im up to just under 48 hours now so far, with battery at 18% |
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| 12:22.18 | Stork91 | I have no idea how to get to my root. I am Using windows xp on a work computer. I am using an n810, and I do not know how to access the root. |
| 12:22.21 | SpeedEvil | nid0: Do you care though? |
| 12:22.32 | SpeedEvil | nid0: what's wrong with charging it while you're asleep? |
| 12:22.41 | Stork91 | all I want to do is change 2 images in a folder. |
| 12:22.58 | nid0 | nothing, but legs are nice and it's just odd that purely having wifi available halves the battery life |
| 12:23.02 | ab3339 | my battery life ends in just about 2 hours when i am constantly on the internet chatting and surfing |
| 12:23.07 | corecode | so... |
| 12:23.16 | corecode | is there a way to display nicknames in conversations? |
| 12:23.27 | nid0 | which is quite astonishing, having come to my n900 from an e90 which could happily last the best part of a week with wifi available 24/7 |
| 12:23.31 | lupu | nid0: Are you sure your AP supports power save polling? |
| 12:23.45 | ali1234 | Stork91: "the root"? |
| 12:23.56 | nid0 | it does |
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| 12:24.23 | Stork91 | I want to change my bootscreen from the hands to an image. |
| 12:24.33 | ali1234 | Stork91: yeah i got that part |
| 12:24.34 | Stork91 | I am on a n810, and I have to do this from windows. |
| 12:24.51 | ali1234 | Stork91: you are going to need to do it on the device |
| 12:24.53 | oly | if you have root enabled and ssh you can use putty in windows |
| 12:24.59 | MohammadAG | ab3339, yes, I get <unknown> in about product and in the output of set | grep OSSO |
| 12:25.00 | ab3339 | 3g drains battery quicker, |
| 12:25.06 | Stork91 | I do not know how to use putty. |
| 12:25.17 | Stork91 | Ali1234: how? |
| 12:25.21 | oly | or filezilla if its just ti move files |
| 12:25.22 | nid0 | ah yes, and those figures are with 3g disabled. |
| 12:25.25 | lupu | I haven't experienced any noticeable changes in battery time if I have WLAN idling vs off. |
| 12:25.40 | Stork91 | ali1234: how do i do that on the device itself? |
| 12:25.41 | lupu | ...although I haven't specifically tried to find a difference there, but if it were to half the battery time, I would have noticed it. |
| 12:25.45 | ali1234 | Stork91: install the package that gives you root access and then do it in the terminal |
| 12:25.59 | Stork91 | ali1234: how do i do it in terminal? |
| 12:26.07 | ali1234 | Stork91: don't know off hand |
| 12:26.12 | corecode | install rootsh |
| 12:26.18 | corecode | via application manager |
| 12:26.25 | corecode | you need to enable the maemo.org repo |
| 12:26.34 | corecode | then in xterm, use sudo gainroot |
| 12:27.05 | ali1234 | Stork91: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=120352&postcount=20 |
| 12:27.18 | ali1234 | Stork91: i dunno if that is the right and tested way, it's what i found on google |
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| 12:27.34 | ali1234 | Stork91: if you have trouble on a specific step i can try to help you |
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| 12:27.47 | nid0 | lupu I cant say I was specifically trying either, and the 24 hour battery life i've been getting seems roughly what id expect with relatively light/moderate usage and 3g disabled going by other people's reports, with the device in range of configured wifi ap's essentially the whole time |
| 12:28.10 | nid0 | i'm just suprised that i've now managed double that with wifi disabled when not using it |
| 12:29.12 | tybollt | MohammadAG: -> reflash ? |
| 12:29.23 | MohammadAG | tybollt, reflashed yesterday |
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| 12:30.00 | MohammadAG | same problem, before and after the reflash (well directly after the reflash it worked, after restoring settings, it didn't) |
| 12:30.40 | tybollt | mmm |
| 12:30.48 | tybollt | wyrd |
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| 12:31.57 | MohammadAG | tybollt, would you mind pasting a copy of your /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh |
| 12:32.01 | MohammadAG | file |
| 12:32.16 | tybollt | sure |
| 12:32.42 | tybollt | you want my credit card numbers to go with that? |
| 12:32.59 | nid0 | that'd be pretty handy, thanks |
| 12:33.10 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 12:33.38 | w00t | goddammit it's cold today. |
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| 12:35.37 | tybollt | ugh it's 31 lines dude |
| 12:35.44 | tybollt | I'd have to ssh into the fscker to paste that |
| 12:35.47 | tybollt | :S |
| 12:35.58 | MohammadAG | use microb and pastebin? |
| 12:36.08 | MohammadAG | well, can you check something for me? |
| 12:36.30 | MohammadAG | here's my file, it should expire in 10 minutes http://pastebin.com/aKmUeCM7 |
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| 12:36.48 | MohammadAG | it has /scratchbox in it, which is kind of weird |
| 12:37.16 | tybollt | looks about right dun it? |
| 12:37.29 | tybollt | but oh well let me login and find out for ya |
| 12:37.33 | tybollt | blasted =) |
| 12:37.42 | MohammadAG | thanks :) |
| 12:37.45 | MohammadAG | line 106 btw |
| 12:38.06 | MohammadAG | just cat /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh | grep /scratchbox |
| 12:38.24 | nid0 | fwiw, mine references scratchbox |
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| 12:41.22 | MohammadAG | afk for a bit |
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| 12:47.35 | lbt_ | can we run openswan on the n900 ? |
| 12:47.36 | Stork91 | ali1234: remove 'qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo.png' ? y |
| 12:47.36 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone point me at the script in early boot that execs a script if the keyboard is slid out? |
| 12:47.36 | Stork91 | ali1234: cannot remove 'qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo.png' : permission denied |
| 12:47.37 | Stork91 | what am I missing that gives me the permission to edit the root? |
| 12:47.41 | fiferboy | danielwilms: ping? |
| 12:47.41 | Stork91 | I repeat a question I asked at the start of this inquery to this channel, how do I enable rd? |
| 12:48.45 | Veggen | Stork: easiest to get root is to install gainroot (in repositories already?) |
| 12:48.53 | Veggen | and then: sudo gainroot to become root. |
| 12:49.05 | Stork91 | I can do sudo gainroot |
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| 12:49.29 | lbt_ | SpeedEvil: /sbin/preinit |
| 12:49.29 | Stork91 | ive already spent 8 hours reading hwo to try to do this, mind just linking me? |
| 12:49.31 | Veggen | ah, but the root...hmm, it's in flash, yes. |
| 12:49.42 | lbt_ | SpeedEvil: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/small-but-important-update-in-pr11.html |
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| 12:50.46 | marmoute | Is Thomas Tanner here ? |
| 12:51.20 | lbt_ | marmoute: he's t-tan fyi |
| 12:51.26 | Veggen | Stork91: then you can't easily do it. |
| 12:51.44 | Stork91 | ... |
| 12:51.46 | Stork91 | no shit. |
| 12:52.36 | marmoute | lbt_: thx |
| 12:52.48 | danielwilms | fiferboy pong |
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| 12:54.25 | SpeedEvil | thnaks |
| 12:54.27 | SpeedEvil | ;b |
| 12:54.30 | SpeedEvil | l |
| 12:56.07 | Veggen | Stork91: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 is a start. |
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| 12:56.50 | Veggen | you probably need to customize an image and flash it. |
| 12:57.30 | danielwilms | fiferboy sorry, have to go to a meeting...will be back in an hour! |
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| 12:58.14 | Khertan | Hello every body ! |
| 12:58.47 | Veggen | can't remember where you find the current image. |
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| 13:00.09 | Stork91 | ... |
| 13:00.11 | Stork91 | maemo 4 |
| 13:00.14 | Veggen | uh, might be wrong here. |
| 13:00.14 | Stork91 | maemo 4 |
| 13:00.20 | Veggen | oh, maemo 4. |
| 13:00.47 | Stork91 | second tie youve pointed me to maemo 5 today though. |
| 13:00.57 | Stork91 | I appreciate the attempt at help though atleast |
| 13:01.10 | ali1234 | Stork91: you were root when you tried to delete the images? |
| 13:01.15 | Stork91 | would you happen to know how to enable rd mode |
| 13:01.29 | ali1234 | no |
| 13:01.30 | Stork91 | I was in the directory where the files were |
| 13:01.46 | Stork91 | All i need to know now is how to enable that. |
| 13:01.47 | Stork91 | ... |
| 13:01.49 | Stork91 | i think |
| 13:01.50 | Stork91 | hope |
| 13:01.51 | Stork91 | pray |
| 13:02.01 | ali1234 | no, rd mode will not help you |
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| 13:02.13 | ali1234 | it will just make your battery wear out faster |
| 13:02.19 | tybollt | Khertan: Hello Dr Nick! |
| 13:02.48 | Stork91 | enabling it for a shor ttime to allow me to change the file isnt possible? |
| 13:02.54 | ali1234 | no |
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| 13:03.00 | Stork91 | cause that is all that blocks me from changing this. |
| 13:03.01 | Stork91 | .. |
| 13:03.04 | Stork91 | gay. |
| 13:03.08 | ali1234 | it won't give you any greater permission than you had before |
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| 13:03.22 | Khertan | tybollt: Dr Nick ? |
| 13:04.08 | Stork91 | ive saved the intructions on how to do this tonight... |
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| 13:04.47 | Stork91 | what do i have to do in order to midify the root? |
| 13:04.56 | Stork91 | All i need to do is change out two files. |
| 13:05.02 | Stork91 | THATS ALL |
| 13:05.09 | corecode | what's the problem? |
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| 13:05.22 | Stork91 | I want to change the hands bootscreen image. |
| 13:05.24 | tybollt | Khertan: you don't watch simpson much - do you? |
| 13:05.33 | corecode | Stork91: in maemo 4 |
| 13:05.37 | Stork91 | yes. |
| 13:05.38 | tybollt | simpsons |
| 13:05.42 | ali1234 | Stork91: all you need to do is be root when you copy over the new files |
| 13:05.45 | Stork91 | thats all Ive wanted to do for 8 hours now. |
| 13:06.01 | Stork91 | I was in root. |
| 13:06.08 | corecode | and? |
| 13:06.09 | Stork91 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=120352&postcount=20 |
| 13:06.23 | Khertan | tybollt: ah ... it s not the same name in france :) |
| 13:06.36 | tybollt | Khertan: :P |
| 13:06.44 | Khertan | h"h" |
| 13:06.45 | Khertan | héhé |
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| 13:07.03 | tybollt | I can't imagine simpsons dubbed in grenoullie :P |
| 13:07.04 | Stork91 | when i type in "sude gainroot" I get a message taht says "enable rd mode to gain root privilages" |
| 13:07.23 | Corsac | tybollt: grenouille :) |
| 13:07.36 | Stork91 | i still typed cd /usr/sahre/icons/hicolor/scalablehildon/ |
| 13:07.45 | Corsac | Stork91: try ssh root@localhost, maybe |
| 13:07.46 | Stork91 | it went there. |
| 13:07.54 | MohammadAG | Stork91, rootsh |
| 13:08.00 | Corsac | Stork91: you're obviously not root, though |
| 13:08.07 | Stork91 | then I typed rm *startup_nokia_logo.png |
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| 13:08.17 | Stork91 | I got the confirmation and typed yes |
| 13:08.31 | MohammadAG | but you weren't root, so nothing happened |
| 13:08.49 | Stork91 | rm: cannot remove '(file name here).png' : permision denied. |
| 13:09.17 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 13:09.25 | MohammadAG | <Corsac> Stork91: you're obviously not root, though |
| 13:09.26 | Stork91 | ok so how do i try ssh root@localhost ? |
| 13:09.51 | ali1234 | no no no |
| 13:10.11 | ali1234 | if you seen that rd mode message when trying to sudo gainroot it means you did not install the package that gives you root |
| 13:10.51 | Stork91 | so which package do i need to become root? |
| 13:10.55 | ali1234 | rootsh |
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| 13:12.03 | Stork91 | is there a way to install this without using the .install? |
| 13:12.09 | ali1234 | yes, use the application manager |
| 13:12.10 | Stork91 | I dont ahve a wifi handy |
| 13:12.13 | Khertan | tybollt: as homer said here : Espèce de sale pitit ! |
| 13:12.18 | ali1234 | oh, then no, not really |
| 13:12.21 | Stork91 | use the application manager on what? |
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| 13:12.24 | ali1234 | on the n810 |
| 13:12.24 | Stork91 | lol. |
| 13:12.41 | Stork91 | ok, so this will have to wiat till tomorrow then after i install rootsh then. |
| 13:12.42 | Stork91 | ;-p |
| 13:13.03 | ali1234 | if you already had rootsh installed, you could get the deb file and install manually with dpkg |
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| 13:13.09 | ali1234 | but since you don't, you can't |
| 13:13.29 | Stork91 | nice |
| 13:13.30 | Stork91 | lol |
| 13:13.36 | areay | hi all... anyone know why there's still no 3.2010.02-8 fw update for the n900 in the uk? everywhere else got it on the 16th... |
| 13:13.59 | ali1234 | no, nobody knows why... |
| 13:14.10 | lbt_ | yeah, I got it on a pre-production but my wife hasn't |
| 13:14.22 | Stork91 | well, thats my dead end for tonight. |
| 13:14.28 | areay | is it worth flashing and using global? or should i wait |
| 13:14.28 | ali1234 | you get it if you have the global firmware installed |
| 13:14.37 | mgedmin | areay, fwiw I never saw the pr1.0.1 and pr1.1 updates in my HAM |
| 13:14.37 | Stork91 | goodnight guys, and stay class san fran |
| 13:14.42 | ali1234 | maybe the bugs it fixes are not present in the UK firmware? |
| 13:14.52 | Stork91 | I may be on from home where i can bum a wifi. |
| 13:14.54 | Khertan | you could install deb withtout wifi |
| 13:14.55 | Stork91 | ttyl |
| 13:15.00 | mgedmin | areay, then I discovered that HAM doesn't show firmware updates if it thinks it cannot install them, e.g. you replaced some OS package with an alternative |
| 13:15.05 | Khertan | with the app manager in red pill on maemo 4 |
| 13:15.23 | Stork91 | ... red pill |
| 13:15.29 | nid0 | areay - definitely flash to global, imo |
| 13:15.31 | Stork91 | ill get that tonight as well |
| 13:15.33 | Stork91 | lol |
| 13:15.33 | RST38h | mgedmin: This, actually, is only partially true |
| 13:15.39 | MohammadAG | doesn't the N810 have red pill mode? |
| 13:15.54 | Khertan | the n810 have a HAM red pill mode |
| 13:16.03 | MohammadAG | (afaik only the N900 (51-1 and above) had it removed) |
| 13:16.11 | Stork91 | so I can do this from here? |
| 13:16.19 | MohammadAG | then Stork91 can download the deb and install it |
| 13:16.28 | Stork91 | can anyone point me to the .deb ? |
| 13:16.41 | RST38h | mgedmin: Sometimes it shows the update but refuses to install it without stating the reason why |
| 13:16.42 | areay | nid0, is there any uk-specific stuff i'm gonna lose? |
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| 13:16.59 | MohammadAG | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.1/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb |
| 13:17.04 | nid0 | no - as far as anyone (including me) can tell, theres zero difference between the uk and global firmwares |
| 13:17.09 | mgedmin | RST38h, well, for me it didn't show any updates, although I could try apt-get dist-upgrade -n in xterm and see new kernel and lots of other things |
| 13:17.09 | MohammadAG | assuming I got the OS right |
| 13:17.10 | mgedmin | I reflashed |
| 13:17.13 | areay | sweet i'll give it a go |
| 13:17.16 | nid0 | other than the fact that nokia suck and wont release updates for the uk firmware. |
| 13:17.19 | tybollt | Khertan: tres bien |
| 13:17.25 | areay | haha |
| 13:17.34 | mgedmin | nid0, AFAIU the rootfs image has no country-specific things; the MMC image has them |
| 13:18.03 | tybollt | olrite, everyone voting to change the name of MER to MEH... join me now ;) |
| 13:18.05 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, there's only one vanilla eMMC image |
| 13:18.11 | mgedmin | yep |
| 13:18.11 | RST38h | mgedmin: You probably do not wanna do dist-upgrade =) |
| 13:18.20 | mgedmin | RST38h, that's that I thought too, so I reflashed |
| 13:18.33 | RST38h | mgedmin: For me, removing libqt packages worked |
| 13:18.38 | MohammadAG | RST38h, found that out the hard way lol |
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| 13:18.42 | areay | what's wrong with dist-upgrade? |
| 13:18.47 | RST38h | mgedmin: then I updated with apt-get install |
| 13:18.54 | mgedmin | areay, things could break |
| 13:18.55 | MohammadAG | it rendered my device unbootable |
| 13:19.06 | areay | mgedmin, ah... there's me apt'ing like crazy |
| 13:19.12 | nid0 | as a uk user you still wont get the upgrade from it anyway |
| 13:19.17 | Khertan | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html |
| 13:19.23 | Khertan | an old link |
| 13:19.25 | mgedmin | well, the fix is reflashing, so "reflashing to avoid apt-get dist-upgrade breakage" is kind of silly |
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| 13:19.39 | mgedmin | then again if it turns out you'll need to reflash, you'd save time by avoiding the dist-upgrade |
| 13:19.43 | RST38h | hates reflashing |
| 13:20.04 | mgedmin | areay, apt-get install should be safe, unless you replace/remove core system packages |
| 13:20.08 | MohammadAG | hates restoring apps |
| 13:20.13 | nid0 | tbh, reflashing the n900 is about as painless as any phone ever has been |
| 13:20.28 | mgedmin | never reflashed any phone |
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| 13:20.40 | mgedmin | it's maybe less painful than, e.g. reinstalling windows |
| 13:20.50 | areay | not less painful than using windows tho |
| 13:21.07 | mgedmin | backups generally just work (except gPodder forgets its subscriptions -- has that been fixed yet?) |
| 13:21.08 | MohammadAG | I hate windows |
| 13:21.22 | MohammadAG | it's a shame I have to use it for compatibilty on one PC |
| 13:21.30 | areay | i won't allow it in my office ;) |
| 13:21.38 | areay | i've confiscated people's windows laptops before |
| 13:21.51 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 13:21.52 | nid0 | the only wierd thing I find with restoring backups is that the device is somehow able to bypass requiring a pin for the sim card in the process |
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| 13:22.59 | gouverneur | areay: its a security risk, isnt it... ;) |
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| 13:24.17 | areay | gouverneur, yup... exactly; flawed by design :) |
| 13:26.18 | areay | anyone got a link for the maemo-flasher and the new fw? i had it yesterday but lost it... and don't wanna go digging thru my history |
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| 13:27.15 | Stork91 | ok |
| 13:27.18 | Stork91 | I installed it |
| 13:27.22 | Stork91 | and i think ideleted it in the root |
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| 13:27.38 | Stork91 | but now it wont change the directory of the new file to the root... |
| 13:27.49 | Stork91 | which basically means it wont boot now after i restart afaik |
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| 13:31.24 | MohammadAG | areay, tablets-dev.nokia.com ? |
| 13:32.44 | areay | MohammadAG, that's the one, thanks ;) |
| 13:33.02 | MohammadAG | np :) |
| 13:40.10 | Stork91 | Just fucking worked |
| 13:40.19 | Stork91 | ali1234: I love you. |
| 13:40.24 | Stork91 | No realy. |
| 13:40.32 | ali1234 | heh, thanks :) |
| 13:40.47 | Stork91 | If ali is your name, and youre a chick... well... I would find a way through medical science to carry your kids. |
| 13:41.00 | Stork91 | if youre a guy, offers off the table cause thats gay. |
| 13:41.03 | Stork91 | ;-p |
| 13:41.06 | Stork91 | <3 |
| 13:41.58 | zaheer__ | areay, i got my update to 2010-02-8 in the UK |
| 13:42.06 | Myrtti | Stork91: http://beeroverip.org/about/ |
| 13:43.00 | Stork91 | something abotu that scream nsfw |
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| 13:43.35 | zaheerm | areay, my isp when i got it was bethere but i have one of the maemo summit loaner units |
| 13:43.51 | Stork91 | I will check it from home on my n810 |
| 13:43.56 | Stork91 | Peace out! |
| 13:44.01 | Stork91 | Seriously, thanks a ton man. |
| 13:45.32 | areay | zaheerm, ah yeah the summit ones update i think... mine's with vodafone and it wouldn't surprise me if it's still in QC at vodafone |
| 13:45.56 | Khertan | Does there is maemo package expert here ? |
| 13:46.15 | zaheerm | areay, a reason not to get phones from carriers |
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| 13:46.27 | jebba | Khertan: expert may be a bit bold, but if you ask your question, you may get an answer. |
| 13:46.35 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:46.37 | Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 <--- |
| 13:46.38 | povbot | Bug 9218: Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email |
| 13:46.43 | Khertan | question in last comment |
| 13:46.54 | Khertan | thx for help :) |
| 13:47.26 | SpeedEvil | zaheerm: not here. |
| 13:48.12 | jebba | Khertan: take a look at this now: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-1/ The bugtracker link looks fixed. |
| 13:49.07 | Khertan | but .... when i read comment #3 ... it s claimed that it s not the right field used |
| 13:49.10 | areay | zaheerm, one of many :P |
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| 13:50.20 | jebba | Khertan: i dont really ge the comment either, as it all looks like it's good to me. |
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| 13:50.59 | Khertan | hum ... this problem will make me crazy ! |
| 13:51.16 | Khertan | i'm trying to push my game to extras since 2 weeks ! |
| 13:51.42 | Khertan | one day more, and it ll take more time to do the packaging than the developpment ! |
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| 13:52.28 | Arif_ | hmmm |
| 13:52.33 | Arif_ | I seem to have the battery problem too |
| 13:52.33 | ukki | anyone know how i can build-depend on a specific version of something? using (= version) doesn't work in builder |
| 13:52.34 | Arif_ | :D |
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| 13:53.25 | Khertan | think that it s more simple to make it s own repository than trying to push things to extras |
| 13:54.08 | RST38h | Khertan: Welcome to reality :) |
| 13:54.16 | Khertan | gniagniagnia ! |
| 13:54.24 | Khertan | is angry ! |
| 13:54.57 | pillar_ | Khertan: you shoul pålay with symbian signed for a little bit :) |
| 13:55.19 | Khertan | i ve play with it .... result on : "avoid that plateform" |
| 13:55.19 | mgedmin | Khertan, true, but for your users it's easier to get things from extras |
| 13:55.26 | pillar_ | extras might feel better afterwards |
| 13:55.39 | mgedmin | the extras-devel -> extras hurdle might be too difficult, though |
| 13:55.40 | pillar_ | Khertan: :) |
| 13:55.41 | tybollt | Khertan: merde! Sacre bleu! Putain! |
| 13:55.50 | ShadowJK | I hate random one-person's repositories that always conflict with everything else |
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| 13:56.33 | Khertan | yep ... but a well made repository with python apps doesn't conflict with anythings |
| 13:56.49 | Khertan | or maybe i should just do a simple installer apps push to extras |
| 13:58.02 | frals | or just upload to -devel push to testing, get it tested and then promote? |
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| 13:59.13 | ShadowJK | Well, a well made app has no problem being in extras ;-) |
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| 14:01.06 | mgedmin | Khertan, personal repo for personal testing == goodness |
| 14:01.10 | mgedmin | extras-devel for everyone else |
| 14:01.22 | mgedmin | let the community push it to extras if they like it a lot |
| 14:01.29 | Khertan | mgedmin: personnal repo test == OK |
| 14:01.36 | mgedmin | am I a bad person for suggesting this? |
| 14:02.04 | mgedmin | my couple attempts of "let's look for good apps in extras-testing and help them along to get into extras" failed |
| 14:02.14 | mgedmin | I stared at the list and couldn't decide what I should do next |
| 14:02.17 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 14:02.38 | ShadowJK | I voted a for a few... openpvn, rsync, 3g/2g/dual mode switcher.. |
| 14:02.39 | mgedmin | e.g. xchat -- is it extras-worthy? no kinetic scrolling, crashes if you try to open preferences |
| 14:02.48 | ShadowJK | I think the crash is fixed |
| 14:02.51 | mgedmin | but I use it anyway and find it better than not to have an irc client at all |
| 14:02.58 | mgedmin | yeah, I last looked at the extras process a while ago |
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| 14:03.02 | RST38h | mgedmin: it crashes? really? |
| 14:03.02 | mgedmin | sighs |
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| 14:03.02 | jebba | crash is long since fixed in xchat afaict |
| 14:03.07 | mgedmin | RST38h, used to |
| 14:03.09 | Khertan | web ui ... QA TEsting on extras-testing FAIL |
| 14:03.12 | frals | uh, ui/ux stuff shouldnt block an app from getting to extras afaik |
| 14:03.17 | Khertan | it s a real pain |
| 14:03.21 | RST38h | mgedmin: Have you actually TRIED the last version? |
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| 14:03.38 | RST38h | sighs |
| 14:03.43 | Khertan | and of course migrate to rpm will be worse |
| 14:03.49 | mgedmin | RST38h, I'm telling you about my dillemmas several months ago and why I gave up on extras-testing |
| 14:03.59 | mgedmin | I didn't feel qualified to make decisions |
| 14:04.05 | RST38h | mgedmin: You have given up too early |
| 14:04.08 | mgedmin | right |
| 14:04.12 | villemv | spent a while messing with CDBS today... and is welcoming the rpm overlords |
| 14:04.13 | mgedmin | I have a tendency to do that :( |
| 14:04.47 | jebba | well at least the site is probably fast to do it now. Last i tried it was like a 30 minute process to hit "thumbs up" if you were lucky enough for it to go thru |
| 14:04.48 | Khertan | someone can give me an answer on what field should be in the control file ? |
| 14:04.54 | Khertan | XSBC-Bugtracker ? |
| 14:04.59 | Khertan | or Butracker |
| 14:05.02 | Khertan | or Bugtracker |
| 14:05.09 | jebba | Khertan: afaict you have it correct. Just ignore comment #3 for now. |
| 14:05.10 | X-Fade | Khertan: The first. |
| 14:05.14 | Khertan | Maemo-Display-Name |
| 14:05.19 | Khertan | or XB-Maemo-Display-Name |
| 14:05.46 | X-Fade | Khertan: X variant in control. |
| 14:05.51 | Khertan | so comment #3 here are wrong ? -> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 |
| 14:05.52 | povbot | Bug 9218: Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email |
| 14:06.15 | X-Fade | Khertan: Read the package guide. |
| 14:06.31 | Khertan | X-Fade: it wasn't in it last time i see it :) |
| 14:06.37 | jebba | Khertan: it is rendering correctly on the package listing page now too |
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| 14:07.21 | X-Fade | Khertan: |
| 14:07.21 | X-Fade | Khertan: X tells that it's a user defined field |
| 14:07.21 | X-Fade | S tells that field will be copied to source package control file |
| 14:07.21 | X-Fade | B tells that field will be copied to binary package control file |
| 14:07.22 | X-Fade | C tells that field will be copied upload control file |
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| 14:08.20 | Khertan | so it should be always for both XSBC |
| 14:08.36 | X-Fade | So, it makes sense to have XSBC for bugtracker. |
| 14:08.43 | X-Fade | But pretty name is only for B. |
| 14:08.46 | X-Fade | So XB |
| 14:09.08 | Khertan | hum ... yes as pretty name not display on source of course :) |
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| 14:10.06 | Khertan | but the resulting name field in the .deb package is the exactly the same (XSBC-Bugtracker:) or it doesn't contain XSBC option (Bugtracker:) |
| 14:10.10 | Khertan | ? |
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| 14:10.42 | X-Fade | Khertan: In Packages it will then end up as Bugtracker: |
| 14:11.10 | Khertan | so comment #3 ok ... |
| 14:11.17 | Khertan | thanks for explaining me that X-Fade |
| 14:11.32 | X-Fade | Khertan: But in your source package it needs to be XSBC-Bugtracker yes. |
| 14:11.35 | Khertan | i ll also fix pypackager to avoid all this wrong package :) |
| 14:12.05 | Khertan | so yep control file for source and binary as to be different |
| 14:12.09 | Khertan | thx a lot ... |
| 14:14.37 | Khertan | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing <-- does this isn't the right document ? no talk of Bugtracker :) |
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| 14:15.10 | Shapeshifter | needs to get him self a scrren protector multipack |
| 14:15.32 | ShadowJK | the durasec cleartec ones come in fives.. but they're garbage |
| 14:15.38 | frals | Khertan: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging |
| 14:15.57 | Shapeshifter | these things scratch easily. especially as my stylus seems to have caugh a grain of sand or something |
| 14:16.12 | thresh | i've already cracked the screen a bit |
| 14:16.23 | Shapeshifter | I have a clearteq. or a highteq. or the third one, dont know |
| 14:16.36 | Khertan | frals: thx |
| 14:16.38 | ShadowJK | the cleartec one scratches like mad, and it doesn't stick to the screen very well |
| 14:16.48 | thresh | needs a rugged case |
| 14:17.06 | thresh | so i can easily play n900 fly or whatever the name is |
| 14:17.06 | Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: ay, mine doesnt really stick. but i like the feel of it |
| 14:17.14 | ShadowJK | nods |
| 14:18.18 | Khertan | X-Fade: so #9218 isn't really a bug |
| 14:18.48 | X-Fade | No, that is WORKSFORME :) |
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| 14:23.06 | Khertan | X-Fade: yep ... better than invalid ... true ... :) |
| 14:23.18 | tybollt | everytime I get a "worksforme" back to $question_about_fail I murder a kitteh! >:) |
| 14:26.00 | gouverneur | bug 9218 |
| 14:26.01 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email |
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| 14:40.34 | shinkamui | ha ha! |
| 14:40.36 | shinkamui | I love myself |
| 14:40.37 | shinkamui | :) |
| 14:40.49 | Stskeeps | good :P |
| 14:41.25 | Corsac | please cleanup after that |
| 14:41.49 | shinkamui | no need, always love myself into a sock |
| 14:43.25 | sp3000 | have we gotten confused with #meamo again |
| 14:47.51 | pupnik_ | how many months before the outstanding bugs and annoyances are made irrelevant by the next device |
| 14:47.58 | Sargun | Do we have MMS yet? |
| 14:48.02 | Corsac | fMMS |
| 14:48.20 | crashanddie | which stands for fuck MMS |
| 14:48.55 | Sargun | so, is MMS even on the roadmap? |
| 14:49.03 | crashanddie | Sargun: fMMS |
| 14:49.35 | pupnik_ | sargun WHY... |
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| 14:52.05 | Sargun | pupnik, because more people use MMS on their phones than email |
| 14:52.24 | jebba | ....citation needed.... |
| 14:52.53 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 14:52.54 | Sargun | rather, more of my friends use MMS on their phones. |
| 14:53.11 | nid0 | thats your statistical group? |
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| 14:53.19 | tybollt | crashanddie: no it's fapMMS, duuh... since he already elaborated on the "f" part by making that other app "fapn" :P |
| 14:53.21 | zaheerm | Sargun is probably correct |
| 14:53.22 | Khertan | re |
| 14:53.24 | pupnik_ | well that is valid |
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| 14:54.02 | zaheerm | but it isn't true surely on higher end users or users of high end phones |
| 14:54.48 | Corsac | zaheerm: the point is, your correspondant might not be a user of high end phone |
| 14:55.01 | Corsac | which is the point when you need to send stuff |
| 14:55.04 | zaheerm | yes |
| 14:55.18 | nid0 | plenty of low end older phones dont support mms either, what if the recipient owns one of those? |
| 14:55.22 | nid0 | emailing's still easier. |
| 14:55.36 | zaheerm | nid0, plenty of low end phone users don't have an email account |
| 14:55.46 | Sargun | Often I flirt with chicks who do not have email capabilities on their phones. |
| 14:56.03 | Sargun | I want to send them sexy pictures of myself, and want to be able to receive their sexy picture. |
| 14:56.08 | Sargun | This is a bug. |
| 14:56.09 | nid0 | so install fmms |
| 14:56.13 | zaheerm | hence nokia pushing their nokiamessaging in s40 and in developing markets |
| 14:56.13 | nid0 | it isnt a bug. |
| 14:56.16 | pupnik_ | sargun with the KO |
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| 14:56.26 | glass | mms receiving support would at least be something to have, otherwise your granny will think your phone sucks since you can't receive pics of her muffins |
| 14:56.35 | Kegetys | buy them a decent phone as a present |
| 14:56.43 | Sargun | Bah. |
| 14:56.46 | nid0 | except, practically everywhere in the world you can receive her pics |
| 14:56.50 | jebba | Sargun did you miss the part about MMS being available? |
| 14:56.59 | Sargun | jebba, via fMMS? |
| 14:57.03 | nid0 | certainly every network I know of, if your phone cant receive mms youll get either a push sms or an email |
| 14:57.04 | jebba | isn't it |
| 14:57.07 | jebba | ? |
| 14:57.10 | nid0 | containing the original mms's image |
| 14:57.13 | ShadowJK | nid0, it varies alot |
| 14:57.30 | ShadowJK | nid0, for example, all networks I know of let you enter an email address instead of a phone number when you send an mms ;-) |
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| 14:57.36 | Khertan | http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/sketchfighter/ <--- nice arcade shoot em up |
| 14:57.39 | Khertan | i like the style |
| 14:57.40 | nid0 | exactly, both work |
| 14:57.56 | Sargun | jebba, Eh, I'll probably enable extras-devel and install it |
| 14:57.58 | Khertan | after the vector style maybe i should try one like this one |
| 14:58.08 | nid0 | I cant name a network that wont deliver you the message as either a push sms or an email, if you receive an mms and your phone doesnt support it |
| 14:58.34 | ShadowJK | nid0, Elisa/Saunalahti for one |
| 14:58.35 | ShadowJK | :D |
| 14:58.45 | X-Fade | nid0: sms with url to web viewer for me. |
| 14:58.50 | ShadowJK | Although their rival DNA does it |
| 14:58.51 | nid0 | exactly |
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| 14:59.24 | Khertan | nid0: Orange ... send you an sms saying that the mms has been reject as your phone don't support it |
| 14:59.25 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:59.52 | Corsac | nid0: though if your phone as access to mail or web, the point is moot, a direct mail is easier |
| 14:59.53 | nid0 | you might have a setting to change then, I have friends on orange who just get an email with the mms attached, same as o2 do |
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| 15:00.14 | Corsac | nid0: but I guess there are more phones/contracts with MMS and no mail/web than the opposite |
| 15:00.18 | nid0 | Corsac, the point was brought up about a granny sending you an mms on your shiny n900 that you cant receive, thats what im answering. |
| 15:00.20 | Corsac | one exception being the stock n900 :) |
| 15:00.23 | Corsac | nid0: oh :) |
| 15:00.24 | Corsac | soorry |
| 15:00.27 | nid0 | if your n900 cant access email, ur doin it rong |
| 15:00.32 | Khertan | nid0: not in france |
| 15:00.34 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:00.54 | nid0 | bummer |
| 15:00.59 | nid0 | france for you, i guess :( |
| 15:01.03 | Corsac | Khertan: my n900 can access mail :) |
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| 15:01.13 | nid0 | he means Orange in france receiving mms's |
| 15:01.20 | nid0 | and just rejecting them |
| 15:01.21 | fiferboy | danielwilms: back? |
| 15:01.24 | Corsac | oh |
| 15:01.29 | Khertan | yes your n900 can access mail ... but orange didn't relay mms to email |
| 15:01.32 | Corsac | ok |
| 15:01.41 | Corsac | (I'm not sure anyone tried to send me mms) |
| 15:01.56 | Corsac | (now if someone did, i just didnt receive them at all so...) |
| 15:01.59 | Khertan | (no one use it in france too high priced) |
| 15:02.11 | Corsac | I'm not so sure about that |
| 15:02.28 | Khertan | yeah except pokemon of course |
| 15:02.29 | nid0 | mms's are basically free on contracts in the uk, they just come out of your sms contract allowance |
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| 15:02.50 | crashanddie | I'm off to bed people |
| 15:02.50 | Khertan | most contract include sms free now ... but mms aren't |
| 15:02.52 | crashanddie | have a good one |
| 15:03.08 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Just doing my daily Bugging |
| 15:03.31 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: right, so, is the idea to have a shared set of icons amongst many themes? |
| 15:03.35 | Stskeeps | or one set per theme |
| 15:04.26 | andrewfblack | one set per theme or in some cases multiple themes might share one custom set |
| 15:04.34 | Stskeeps | mmk |
| 15:06.11 | andrewfblack | so one set per theme but I might make say variations of one theme in color but want to use the same icon set. I guess in that case each theme could still have its own set but would save space if you used same set not to have copies of it |
| 15:06.18 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 15:06.34 | Stskeeps | remember if LCARS provided icons in their themes? |
| 15:07.34 | andrewfblack | they did |
| 15:07.39 | Khertan | and if i want one icon from one set |
| 15:07.44 | Stskeeps | and different per themes? |
| 15:07.45 | Khertan | and the rest from other ? |
| 15:07.54 | Khertan | made one package by icon ! |
| 15:07.55 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:08.16 | andrewfblack | I even provided icons in some of my but that when I used to use TM to build deb then I tore it apart and rebuild it with icons added |
| 15:08.41 | andrewfblack | basiclly you have to install the icon folder and set the icon folder in the theme file |
| 15:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, still not less whorish. :P |
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| 15:09.47 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, too bad ASW hasn't made a fun game since Redline. :\ |
| 15:10.37 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: really ? |
| 15:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, sadly. |
| 15:10.58 | Khertan | i stop playing there game with EV Nova :) |
| 15:11.22 | andrewfblack | really icons could be a seporate package just point theme to icon folder if its not their the theme will use hicolor. Then you could have a packge for icons if users wanted them |
| 15:11.22 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, AmbrosiaSW shaped my youth with stuff like Avara, Ares, Escape Velocity, Harry the Handsome Executive, Chiral, Barrack and several others |
| 15:11.26 | Khertan | i'm remembering the old day when i was young playing Escape Velocity on my macIIsi |
| 15:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | But they've been pretty much shit since 2007. |
| 15:11.48 | Khertan | oh yes Harry the HE ! |
| 15:12.22 | GeneralAntilles | I miss the days when they were a real publisher instead of just a porting house. |
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| 15:12.39 | Khertan | i'm thinking of making an other shoot em up with a pencil style :) |
| 15:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | Do it. |
| 15:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | I'll pay, even. |
| 15:13.09 | Khertan | just hope that pygame will be able to render it well ... as scrolling is a bit slow |
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| 15:13.25 | Khertan | maybe loading level in a big image |
| 15:13.39 | Khertan | and scrolling then |
| 15:16.00 | Khertan | i ll try that this evening in the train :) |
| 15:16.19 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: did you have try vectormine ? |
| 15:16.29 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, haven't gotten around to it yet. |
| 15:16.46 | Khertan | ah yep :) |
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| 15:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | Currently sending snarky responses to Quim on MeeGo-community about Ovi. |
| 15:16.58 | Khertan | still not in extras due to problem to package it :) |
| 15:17.14 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody else think [Meego-community] just takes up too much damn space on the subject line? |
| 15:17.14 | Khertan | MeeGo-community ? |
| 15:17.17 | Khertan | Ovi ? |
| 15:17.21 | Khertan | what that |
| 15:17.25 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:17.50 | Khertan | as i cannot sell a game on ovi i ve created my own paiement system (paypal afaik) |
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| 15:18.33 | RST38h | Khertan: you can use a credit card processor like eSellerate |
| 15:18.44 | RST38h | General: MeeGommunity |
| 15:19.01 | RST38h | here, save 3 chars |
| 15:19.02 | Khertan | RST38h: yep ... you can also paid by credit card with a paypal business account |
| 15:19.07 | nid0 | RST38h paypal's generally cheaper for low-volume though, and can accept cards |
| 15:19.16 | Khertan | NoGoCommunity save an other char |
| 15:19.17 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:19.28 | RST38h | nid0: they are creepy motherfuckers |
| 15:19.34 | Khertan | nid0: and cheaper for low priced. |
| 15:19.39 | Khertan | RST38h: ? |
| 15:19.49 | nid0 | yes, paypal are a bunch of creepy fuckers but its convenient and effective and mostly works |
| 15:19.57 | Khertan | RST38h: i never got any problem with paypal |
| 15:20.02 | RST38h | Khertan: May hold your money refusing to give it back to you. Require weird authentication. |
| 15:20.14 | Khertan | RST38h: ah ... :) |
| 15:20.20 | RST38h | Khertan: I tried to implement paypal payment option but it was so much trouble that I dropped it |
| 15:20.29 | Khertan | RST38h: it s easy to implement |
| 15:20.39 | RST38h | Khertan: If it happens that someone wants to pay with paypal, I process payment manually |
| 15:20.52 | nid0 | easy to implement and easy to use, just make sure to withdraw from paypal to bank often |
| 15:21.07 | Khertan | i can give you my php script to handle paiement notification |
| 15:21.10 | RST38h | nid0: eSellerate is a bunch of less creepy fucker that also works |
| 15:21.27 | Khertan | so it s send automatically registration code for sharewares :) |
| 15:21.30 | RST38h | Khertan: Definitely not doing this with custom php scripts. |
| 15:22.12 | RST38h | Besides, I watermark binaries and need Symbian toolchain for signing the .sis files |
| 15:22.12 | Khertan | currently it s my own script ... so i know what they do |
| 15:22.43 | Khertan | watermark isn't too difficult to do in php (i was doing it for an old palm application= |
| 15:22.44 | Khertan | ) |
| 15:22.57 | Khertan | but signing is an other pain :) |
| 15:23.29 | Khertan | is listening Today we are all demons - Combichrist |
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| 15:26.21 | Khertan | There are two cases where this technique just won't work. The first is where the whole window or screen really is being updated every frame - think of a smooth-scrolling engine like an overhead real-time strategy game or a side-scroller. So what do you do in this case? Well, the short answer is - don't write this kind of game in pygame |
| 15:26.23 | Khertan | oopps |
| 15:27.24 | RST38h | This sounds suspiciously like MIDP =) |
| 15:27.24 | mgedmin | writes this kind of games in pygame and then runs them on really powerful computers |
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| 15:27.46 | RST38h | runs this kind of games in MSX emulator =) |
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| 15:29.23 | Khertan | want to make it running on n900 :) |
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| 15:29.43 | Khertan | But most of the time ... some trivial tricks optimize really the things |
| 15:29.51 | Khertan | like using cos and sin ... |
| 15:30.07 | Khertan | in a game one degree precise is enought |
| 15:30.21 | Khertan | so using a simple array is enough |
| 15:30.52 | mgedmin | recommends profiling |
| 15:31.34 | mgedmin | I taught a python class one day and demoed profiling to find out where the time is spent in a simple pygame toy -- turned out 90% of the time was spent in pygame.display.update() |
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| 15:31.49 | mgedmin | full-screen updates every frame are painful |
| 15:32.01 | mgedmin | pyspacewar on a n810 was just a slide show |
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| 15:32.14 | Corsac | and your battery loves it |
| 15:32.52 | RST38h | recommends using a compiled language |
| 15:33.15 | tybollt | too fast, needs to be slow as interpreted RST38h |
| 15:33.25 | marienz | well, if you're spending 90% of your time in pygame.display.update() won't make things go any faster, that's the point :) |
| 15:33.37 | marienz | err, a compiled language won't... |
| 15:34.30 | RST38h | isnt sure what display.update() is then |
| 15:34.39 | RST38h | thought it was the screen redraw |
| 15:35.05 | marienz | it is, but that just calls into libsdl, which is already written in a compiled language, if I'm not completely confused. |
| 15:35.16 | marienz | checks |
| 15:35.41 | GeneralAntilles | can't believe bergie decided bugs were less useful than Thanks! |
| 15:35.56 | RST38h | You cannot draw your actual graphics by just calling libsdl |
| 15:36.14 | RST38h | General: More importantly, why has he changed the formula without consulting with everyone? |
| 15:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | notes bugzilla comments are also considered half as useful as maemo.org comments. |
| 15:36.27 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, no idea. |
| 15:36.57 | Corsac | is the current formula available somewhere? |
| 15:37.00 | RST38h | He is entitled to have his own opinions, but doesn't this require public discussion before the changes are made? |
| 15:37.02 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Probably just missing a modifier value. |
| 15:37.31 | marienz | RST38h: yes, but if you're spending the majority of your time in pygame.display.update that seems to mean you're actually mostly stuck in SDL_UpdateRects. So micro-optimizing your python code or translating it to a compiled language won't really help if you end up making roughly the same calls into sdl. |
| 15:37.32 | tybollt | GeneralAntilles: URL? what is this? |
| 15:37.48 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Anyway, easyfix. |
| 15:37.54 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, indeed, but still http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=541878&postcount=158 |
| 15:37.56 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: As long as there is concensus. |
| 15:38.05 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that's the problem. ;) |
| 15:38.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yeah. |
| 15:38.14 | GeneralAntilles | There WASN'T consensus on a number of changes. |
| 15:38.45 | derf | He's just following the formula: http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ |
| 15:39.04 | RST38h | then the formula got somehow screwed up |
| 15:39.14 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The sqrt is probably fine. But needs a bigger modifier. |
| 15:39.19 | derf | No, it's under item #4. |
| 15:39.33 | RST38h | derf: ah this one =) |
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| 15:40.33 | RST38h | marienz: if it is in fact display update, then it can have any number of reasons, from python code taking too much time to draw, to python code updating too large rectnagles, to some problem with libsdl |
| 15:41.16 | RST38h | marienz: either way, I get fastest results by redrawing the whole screen directly into /dev/fb0, in C, no Python or SDL required |
| 15:42.04 | marienz | RST38h: "python code taking too much time to draw" would normally show up in the profile mentioned above. "python code updating too large rectangles" is definitely possible, but translating to a different language doesn't help. My point is that you either need to make different calls into libSDL (for which the language used doesn't matter much) or stop using libSDL (for which yes, you might need a different language too) |
| 15:42.11 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'll stop publishing it then ;-p |
| 15:42.56 | RST38h | marienz: this again depends on your game model, as Khertan justly noted |
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| 15:43.13 | marienz | must admit that oversimplified claims about performance of python code work a bit like the proverbial red rag works on a bull on him |
| 15:43.47 | RST38h | marienz: So far, it sounds similar to MIDP: Java is a slow, often interpreted language. MIDP gets around this by using native-code moving objects engine |
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| 15:44.05 | ali1234 | i get the best speed out of my car by ripping out the back seats and spare tyre. doesn't mean everyone should do it :) |
| 15:44.15 | RST38h | marienz: while your game can operate with those objects, or sprites, if you wish, MIDP is relatively fine to use |
| 15:44.26 | marienz | sure |
| 15:44.35 | RST38h | marienz: but as soon as you get into scrolling or full screen effects of some kind, ou are fucked |
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| 15:45.02 | RST38h | marienz: (notice that the ancient videogame hardware used exactly the same principles to get around low CPU performance) |
| 15:45.15 | marienz | RST38h: but if you're spending 90% of your time in pygame.display.update you *are* still in the state where you can relatively sensibly use pygame, if you know what I mean :) |
| 15:45.19 | RST38h | Only they implemented their scrolling, sprites, and tiles in hardware |
| 15:45.31 | RST38h | marienz: Not entirely :) |
| 15:45.44 | marienz | if you're actually updating individual pixels in a pygame surface you wouldn't spend 90% of your time in that function. |
| 15:45.57 | marienz | (*many* individual pixels, I mean) |
| 15:46.15 | ali1234 | right, update() is how you signal dirty rects to the native SDL code |
| 15:46.44 | RST38h | marienz: actually, just read diescription of display.update() |
| 15:46.55 | marienz | (I haven't used pygame on an n900, but I *have* used pygame, and like to think I have some rough idea of how it performs) |
| 15:47.03 | corecode | i'm searching for a getting things done application |
| 15:47.08 | RST38h | marienz: If pygame is really clever, you may well be DRAWING in display.update() without knowning of it |
| 15:47.08 | corecode | any ideas? |
| 15:47.50 | RST38h | marienz: Imagine situation where pygame actually accumulates your drawing requests (like line/circle/blit/etc) but does not execute them until you do the display.update() |
| 15:47.58 | marienz | RST38h: I don't know of a way to end up back in python code from pygame.display.update. |
| 15:48.08 | RST38h | marienz: At this point, it will only execute requests for the rectangle you are updating |
| 15:48.28 | RST38h | marienz: You will not end up in the python code. You will end up in the graphics library code instead. |
| 15:48.33 | marienz | RST38h: I'm still commenting on your "rewrite it in a compiled language". |
| 15:48.55 | RST38h | marienz: Yea, but I guess we agreed on this already: if it does a lot of drawing then do rewrite it |
| 15:49.03 | ali1234 | and the grphics library is SDL, written in C. and it still sucks |
| 15:49.05 | marienz | RST38h: I'm operating on the assumption that you'd still use libSDL in that language (that is: we're comparing libSDL driven from python to libSDL driven from a language like C) |
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| 15:49.35 | RST38h | marienz: LibSDL does not do anything special. It opens you a window or a screen and lets you copy images there |
| 15:49.40 | marienz | RST38h: I get the feeling you switched to comparing python + pygame to some other language + direct framebuffer access to some point, and I missed that. |
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| 15:49.54 | marienz | s/to/at/ |
| 15:50.06 | marienz | no I didn't! |
| 15:50.15 | marienz | bleh, you get the idea :) |
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| 15:50.31 | RST38h | marienz: No, I just read the display.update() documentation and got a suspicion of how pygame would do all the drawing in display.update() without you knowing it |
| 15:51.03 | RST38h | marienz: It is actually a very common approach. I think even X11 implements it. |
| 15:51.07 | lcuk | a game usually has quite sophisticated rules engine and state, manipulating this using a compiled language is the principle place you gain speed over python. for an entirely library driven/no progressing macro calling a c library, it shouldnt really matter what you use |
| 15:51.10 | marienz | RST38h: for certain values of "drawing", yes, I think you're right. But if we're comparing python + pygame to c + libsdl that is *irrelevant*. |
| 15:51.27 | marienz | RST38h: so *are* we comparing python + pygame to c + libsdl? :) |
| 15:51.29 | ali1234 | pygame is written in C anyway |
| 15:51.38 | ali1234 | the only part that is python is the part where you call update() |
| 15:51.41 | ali1234 | or w/e |
| 15:51.41 | RST38h | marienz: naah, not touching c+libsdl at the moment |
| 15:51.49 | marienz | boggles |
| 15:51.52 | ali1234 | what lcuk said ^ |
| 15:52.05 | marienz | resets |
| 15:52.18 | Khertan | re |
| 15:52.22 | RST38h | warm reset or cold reset? =) |
| 15:52.48 | Khertan | sometime updating the whole screen can be faster ... for example on vectormine it s ... |
| 15:53.02 | marienz | RST38h: I started this because I thought you were claiming rewriting the python parts in c, while still using libSDL, would help for a python app spending most of its time in pygame.display.update. I don't think that makes sense. I get the feeling we're not arguing about the same thing now :) |
| 15:53.05 | Khertan | as it doesn't have to save old position ... new one |
| 15:53.06 | RST38h | "Apple is advertising for an Engineering Manager to take the iPhone OS onto new platforms and new hardware, extending the OS" |
| 15:53.11 | ali1234 | i got better performance with one huge texture over a tile engine |
| 15:53.21 | RST38h | marienz: naah, it does not make sense |
| 15:53.35 | marienz | yay! |
| 15:53.51 | marienz | I keep doing that, arguing with someone I actually agree with |
| 15:53.55 | tybollt | \o/ |
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| 15:54.33 | Khertan | and rewrite to c instead of python is a stupid loss of time |
| 15:55.26 | Khertan | most of the time it s due to an misunderstanding of how python works |
| 15:55.51 | Khertan | and optimize things a bit is better |
| 15:55.58 | marienz | oh, I've rewritten bits of python to c as a python extension module |
| 15:56.09 | marienz | it sometimes does make sense, this just wasn't one of those cases :) |
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| 15:57.23 | Khertan | Local variables are faster than globals |
| 15:57.34 | Khertan | Avoid calling functions written in Python in your inner loop. This includes lambdas. In-lining the inner loop can save a lot of time. |
| 15:57.44 | RST38h | wonders how marienz would do dynamic YUV movie rendering in Python |
| 15:58.06 | Khertan | Use intrinsic operations. An implied loop in map() is faster than an explicit for loop; a while loop with an explicit loop counter is even slower. |
| 15:58.14 | Scelt_ | last http 10 |
| 15:58.21 | marienz | RST38h: not. |
| 15:58.27 | Khertan | RST38h: use gstreamer |
| 15:58.32 | Khertan | it s done for that :) |
| 15:58.34 | marienz | something like that, probably, yes. |
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| 16:05.31 | dracflamloc | anyone here know of a QR code scanning program for the n900? |
| 16:05.52 | Corsac | mbarcode? |
| 16:06.16 | dracflamloc | cool thanks |
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| 16:11.45 | slonopotamus | why html markup doesn't render in gtk widgets in maemo? |
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| 16:13.15 | slonopotamus | correction: do they not render at all or only for me? |
| 16:13.39 | slonopotamus | s/do they/does it/ |
| 16:14.25 | RST38h | Khertan: What if the YUV image does not come from a video file? |
| 16:14.29 | RST38h | Still gstreamer? :) |
| 16:14.44 | luke-jr | ponders |
| 16:14.48 | luke-jr | s/d/o/ |
| 16:14.55 | luke-jr | meh |
| 16:15.10 | luke-jr | why didn't infobot do that one? O.o |
| 16:15.10 | Corsac | s/ders/ies |
| 16:15.19 | luke-jr | s/info/stupid/ |
| 16:15.26 | luke-jr | s/do/change/ |
| 16:15.27 | Corsac | luke-jr: it doesn't do /me |
| 16:15.50 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, doesn't handle ACTION |
| 16:15.58 | luke-jr | fine |
| 16:16.10 | Corsac | ha, nokia brazil is down |
| 16:16.35 | luke-jr | must be a conspiracy. blame Stskeeps |
| 16:16.36 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 16:16.44 | Stskeeps | i'm behind it all! |
| 16:16.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:17.28 | Khertan | RST38h: yes ... still gstreamer :) |
| 16:17.36 | Khertan | it can encode image too :) |
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| 16:18.51 | ShadowJK | wishes there was a way to write fixed-width text on tmp |
| 16:18.53 | ShadowJK | for tables.. |
| 16:19.42 | Stskeeps | or cowsay |
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| 16:21.56 | Khertan | icon size in /usr/share/pixmaps/ aren't anymore in 48x48 , |
| 16:22.21 | Khertan | seems that my vectormine icon isn't display in maemo-launcher |
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| 16:26.55 | RST38h | Khertan: Madman! =) |
| 16:27.04 | Khertan | HA aha ! |
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| 16:27.44 | Khertan | oups mspaint died on my 10144x6128px image |
| 16:27.46 | Khertan | huhu |
| 16:27.53 | Khertan | bit enought memory |
| 16:27.54 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:30.07 | RST38h | nokia's corporate web site died. |
| 16:30.22 | SpeedEvil | oh noes. |
| 16:31.53 | SpeedEvil | .co.uk too |
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| 16:32.45 | RST38h | the whole thing died |
| 16:32.58 | RST38h | Europe-wide is dead, .ru is dead too |
| 16:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | nokia now called neeemo :-P |
| 16:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | nokia.intel.com |
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| 16:36.01 | luke-jr | rumour of the day: Intel has acquired Nokia |
| 16:36.08 | tybollt | luke-jr: booo |
| 16:36.27 | SpeedEvil | nokia/intel/disney |
| 16:36.52 | tybollt | yeah |
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| 16:37.45 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: ;D |
| 16:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | nokia/intel/disney/nestle |
| 16:38.10 | RST38h | "Satan buys Google, Microsoft, Intel, Apple" |
| 16:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 16:38.26 | luke-jr | conspiracy theory. masonic. Satanic. Bush. also, Fed. |
| 16:38.28 | RST38h | "Nintendo and Nokia disappointed." |
| 16:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | thought it satan's very own foundings |
| 16:38.43 | Stskeeps | "nokia gets bought out by nintendo after maemo.org fiasco" |
| 16:38.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:38.55 | cehteh | "Microsoft buys Linux" :) |
| 16:39.06 | RST38h | "Microsoft goes Linux" |
| 16:39.14 | cehteh | they do already |
| 16:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAAH |
| 16:39.24 | wao | WAAAH |
| 16:39.29 | Khertan | http://www.nokia.fr/ |
| 16:39.33 | Khertan | error 404 :) |
| 16:39.43 | RST38h | Ok. "Linus includes win32 support into Linux kernel" |
| 16:39.44 | Khertan | but the 404 error page is working : http://www.nokia.fr/NOKIA_COM_1/Sorry/ |
| 16:39.54 | luke-jr | RST38h: that's called LUK |
| 16:39.55 | Khertan | hihi ... |
| 16:39.57 | cehteh | Akamai? |
| 16:39.59 | RST38h | Khertan: the whole thin is fucked up |
| 16:40.08 | luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUK |
| 16:40.19 | Khertan | akaima seems ok |
| 16:40.21 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:40.31 | Khertan | apple too (use akaima) |
| 16:40.35 | RST38h | luke: omg it exists |
| 16:41.02 | cehteh | hey .. .first time in history, that maemo.org is more reliable than nokia.com :P |
| 16:41.19 | Corsac | that's because now nokia.com runs on meego |
| 16:41.33 | visz | no free ovi maps yet for n900? |
| 16:41.52 | Khertan | Corsac: hum ... i don't think they upgrade recently from a 770 server to a n810 server ... |
| 16:41.53 | cehteh | no nokia at all |
| 16:41.56 | Corsac | isn't ovi maps already in n900? |
| 16:42.17 | cehteh | but ovi is free, just not a version you would like |
| 16:42.19 | Khertan | so i don't think they have switched yet on a meego custom build on an n900 server |
| 16:42.22 | cehteh | use osm! |
| 16:42.30 | Khertan | good evening |
| 16:42.44 | visz | Corsac, there a map application but it doesn't give driving instructions |
| 16:42.49 | visz | just course on map |
| 16:43.06 | Corsac | oh |
| 16:44.25 | Scelt_ | anybody else having problems with telepathy-extras? My facebook chat is causing troubles when msn working fine |
| 16:44.31 | RST38h | yes |
| 16:44.39 | RST38h | ICQ does not work with 2.6.4 package |
| 16:44.48 | RST38h | Works with 2.6.3, god knows why |
| 16:44.55 | Scelt_ | damn |
| 16:45.10 | Scelt_ | facebook doesn't merge properly and alias cannot be changed |
| 16:45.34 | Scelt_ | always the whole email. taking almost the whole screen width. not very practical |
| 16:46.40 | VDVsx | funny rumors, haah |
| 16:47.11 | ShadowJK | Interesting benchmark. At RC5-72 key cracking, the Sheevaplug's 1.2 GHz CPU is 1.3 times faster than N900's 600MHz. Imagine that. :-) |
| 16:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | nokia webmin boozeday |
| 16:47.21 | VDVsx | here mine: Unnamed TMO troll wons the lottery and buys Nokia :D |
| 16:47.27 | ShadowJK | Twice the clockspeed, 1.3 times the speed |
| 16:47.49 | Scelt_ | is johnny lamb in irc? |
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| 16:47.58 | RST38h | VDVsx: naaaah |
| 16:48.12 | Scelt_ | jonny |
| 16:48.21 | RST38h | ShadowJK: memory bandwidth bottleneck. |
| 16:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, ARM9. |
| 16:48.43 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, yep |
| 16:49.02 | ShadowJK | RST38h, well I think memory bandwidth is even more of a bottleneck on OGR, where the sheevaplug isn't as crap |
| 16:49.17 | RST38h | Who knows then... |
| 16:49.30 | ShadowJK | it's almost 1.4 times faster than n900 there ;-) |
| 16:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | Wow, I think somebody replaced geneven with an evil (good?) clone. http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=540779#post540779 |
| 16:49.40 | ShadowJK | I'm going with GeneralAntilles, A8 vs Arm9 |
| 16:50.06 | ShadowJK | well, sheeva isn't really arm9.. i |
| 16:50.13 | ShadowJK | it's xscale and shit.. or something.. |
| 16:50.17 | RST38h | ShadowJK: The thing is named as if it were some kinky S&M implement |
| 16:50.36 | RST38h | XScale is not exactly ARM9, true |
| 16:50.38 | luke-jr | VDVsx: that would be an interesting thing to see |
| 16:50.49 | luke-jr | does the lottery prize actually cover the cost of buying a large company? |
| 16:51.12 | VDVsx | luke-jr, don't think so |
| 16:51.12 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, not really |
| 16:51.33 | VDVsx | at least the biggest thing here, if really far from that |
| 16:51.43 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, you need about 50 - 60 billion to buy nokia |
| 16:51.45 | VDVsx | *is really |
| 16:51.46 | ShadowJK | maybe more |
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| 16:51.56 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 16:52.04 | luke-jr | maybe buy the Maemo "division" from Nokia? :p |
| 16:52.15 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, maybe setup your own company |
| 16:52.19 | luke-jr | hehe |
| 16:52.24 | luke-jr | probably a better idea, yeah |
| 16:52.30 | luke-jr | but it wouldn't be as humourous |
| 16:52.51 | RST38h | VDVsx: Nintendo buys Nokia, turn the company business to printing playing cards |
| 16:53.15 | VDVsx | lol |
| 16:53.27 | zaheerm | back to its roots |
| 16:53.27 | ShadowJK | Sony buys nokia, makes all phones beam DRM rootkits through bluetooth, wlan and wifi |
| 16:53.32 | RST38h | VDVsx: What was that polish nutcase's name? |
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| 16:53.42 | Stskeeps | darius? |
| 16:53.46 | RST38h | yesss |
| 16:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see any errors beyond probably Nokia's CMS down |
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| 16:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | so quite possibly Akamai |
| 16:54.17 | RST38h | "Darius wins the lottery, starts his own company, competes with Nokia smartphone business" |
| 16:55.11 | ShadowJK | posted distributed.net benchmark on Sheevaplug, smartq7, N800, N900 at: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=542944&postcount=19 |
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| 16:55.18 | ShadowJK | Hopefully the formatting looks sane on other computesr than my own |
| 16:55.19 | jebba | DocScrutinizer but the site is serving up, just not the right doc. |
| 16:55.35 | jebba | ShadowJK: looks ok here with ff on f12 |
| 16:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | yep, that's what I think |
| 16:55.37 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Would also be interesting to see a few Atom-based systems there |
| 16:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: I guess the "Sorry" page is the only one in basic server domain |
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| 16:57.03 | ShadowJK | RST38h, oh I have a Atom 330... but I have to leave right now, remind me later ;-) |
| 16:57.11 | jebba | DocScrutinizer but if you follow the link on the sorry page, it does have a link to a working global page (which was another redirect in my case). Something in argentina is actually working and the rest of the world is broken. That's a first. |
| 16:57.13 | RST38h | ack |
| 16:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 16:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | which link? |
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| 17:00.20 | jebba | Under "oops lost": "Nokia Global home page": http://www.nokia.com/A41460102 |
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| 17:00.36 | dmj726_n900 | VDvsx: hi I saw your gsoc post |
| 17:00.43 | millenomi | lol |
| 17:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: redirects me to http://www.nokia.de/NOKIA_COM_1/Sorry/ |
| 17:01.26 | inz | DocS, that was the point |
| 17:01.36 | jebba | DocScrutinizer, ya i get that page. And look under oops, it has a link like mentioned above |
| 17:01.38 | Birdack | va' |
| 17:01.48 | inz | DocS, but usin http://www.nokia.com/ as the uri would make the problem more apparent |
| 17:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: and clicking that one I get redirected to above mentioned |
| 17:02.36 | jebba | ah, i get a global site where you can pick your country. Whatever, they're foobar for sure. Geez. |
| 17:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: for .de it's borked, for .com it works |
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| 17:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, THANK GOD ovi is alive :-P |
| 17:07.49 | Arif_ | anyone know how to set a custom DNS on the N900? |
| 17:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | settings -> internet -> bla... -> extended settings, tab "IP addresses" |
| 17:11.43 | Arif_ | cool |
| 17:11.44 | Arif_ | thanks |
| 17:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 17:11.54 | Arif_ | prefers opendns |
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| 17:19.30 | dmj726_n900 | VDVsx: has maemo been accepted as an org for gsoc? |
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| 17:21.25 | lcukn900 | its bloody cold today |
| 17:21.54 | Trizt | nods |
| 17:22.07 | Arif_ | hm |
| 17:22.10 | Arif_ | I noticed |
| 17:22.17 | Arif_ | if I change the volume with the buttons |
| 17:22.24 | Arif_ | the volume slider at the bottom of the media player doesn't move |
| 17:22.28 | Arif_ | xD |
| 17:22.41 | RST38h | yes |
| 17:22.43 | RST38h | it is a bug |
| 17:22.47 | RST38h | it is a wontfix bug |
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| 17:22.53 | Quark_ | hi |
| 17:22.58 | RST38h | lcuk: "cold" as... ? |
| 17:23.03 | Quark_ | how are u all ^^? |
| 17:23.06 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 17:23.11 | Arif_ | guess I'm not the first one to notice then |
| 17:23.25 | GeneralAntilles | lcukn900, we're warming up today. :P |
| 17:23.29 | RST38h | lcuk: BTW, I have finally got to the spot where daleks scream EXTERMINATE! in German. Took 'em 30 years... |
| 17:23.37 | lcukn900 | rst i am feeling freezing in own home |
| 17:24.04 | lcukn900 | its probably warmer outside |
| 17:24.06 | Trizt | lcuk; light a fire |
| 17:24.08 | dmj726_n900 | anybody else looking at participating in gsoc? |
| 17:24.12 | RST38h | lcuk: fire! |
| 17:24.24 | andre__ | RST38h, why is that wontfix? any bug ID? |
| 17:24.26 | lcukn900 | goodidea |
| 17:24.28 | RST38h | lcuk: -5 here, 1.5m of snow, sunny =) |
| 17:24.32 | RST38h | andre: a moment |
| 17:24.40 | RST38h | andre: explanation was pretty weird too |
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| 17:25.23 | RST38h | bug #8114 enjoy |
| 17:25.24 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8114 Video player volume control desynced from master control |
| 17:25.52 | lcukn900 | i need to update my list of irc trigger words |
| 17:25.54 | andre__ | RST38h, ah, thanks a lot |
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| 17:27.00 | lcukn900 | what does xchat do if i update it while its running |
| 17:27.10 | Arif_ | close? |
| 17:27.14 | RST38h | no idea, try |
| 17:27.21 | RST38h | won't close but probably won't reread it either |
| 17:27.30 | GeneralAntilles | lcukn900, nothing until you restart it. |
| 17:27.57 | RST38h | andre: this (and the famous pa lockup) are actually bugs, so I have no idea why nokia insists on wontfixing them |
| 17:28.30 | Arif_ | cuz they're nubletz |
| 17:28.30 | pillar | is it not possible to have sound over ringtone when someone is calling? |
| 17:28.31 | Arif_ | ? |
| 17:28.42 | lcukn900 | brb |
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| 17:29.32 | andre__ | RST38h, either changes too complex ("too much work for not enough effort"), or maybe parts of some teams already moving on, or sometimes just some weird error managers' personal opinions. just my guesses though, probably other reasons exist too... |
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| 17:29.40 | andre__ | pillar, what is "sound over ringtone"? |
| 17:29.59 | Trizt | hates that when he forgets to disconnect wifi at home when leaving for work, then he won't be able to connect to wifi at work |
| 17:30.04 | pillar | andre__: what I mean is that my own app uses sound at the same time |
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| 17:30.22 | andre__ | pillar, ringtone has highest priority. |
| 17:30.38 | andre__ | I think I'll lart any app that blocks the sound so I miss a call. |
| 17:30.47 | lcukn900 | rst is the channel closing X meant to be in bottom left |
| 17:30.55 | lcukn900 | to accidentally close chan |
| 17:31.09 | lcukn900 | i thought it would close chanlist |
| 17:31.25 | lcukn900 | and was it there before update |
| 17:31.26 | cehteh | hehe happend to me too once |
| 17:31.28 | pillar | andre__: any way around it? I'm not trying to block the ringtone completely, but make a quick sound at the same time |
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| 17:31.49 | RST38h | lcuk: it was always there |
| 17:31.49 | andre__ | pillar, hopefully there's no way around that... |
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| 17:31.57 | RST38h | lcuk: AFAIK you can get rid of it with an option |
| 17:32.09 | pillar | andre__: would like to make it so that it announces the caller's name |
| 17:32.24 | andre__ | pillar: audio policy... don't know if it's possible to work around |
| 17:32.37 | cehteh | also the context menu when channels shown as tree are missing |
| 17:33.11 | RST38h | cehteh: do not show channels as a tree =) |
| 17:33.20 | lcukn900 | technically as root theres a way round most everythin |
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| 17:34.28 | cehteh | list takes more space toomuch scrolling |
| 17:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: xchat saves prefs on close. So updating while it's running seems to be a bad idea |
| 17:36.01 | lcukn900 | its ok doc |
| 17:36.13 | cehteh | prefs are local not touched by updating |
| 17:36.16 | lcukn900 | cos if i close then update |
| 17:36.24 | lcukn900 | vs running whilst update |
| 17:36.43 | RST38h | andre: There is another solution for 8114 |
| 17:36.49 | lcukn900 | the next time i use my prefs they would have been written by version x-1 |
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| 17:36.55 | cehteh | i updated often while its running |
| 17:37.08 | RST38h | andre: make volume control in media player directly change the volume control in the applet |
| 17:37.14 | cehteh | the only probm |
| 17:37.26 | cehteh | wrong key |
| 17:37.37 | lcukn900 | whats wrong key |
| 17:37.51 | pillar | andre__: do you know anyone that would be good to contact about that? |
| 17:38.14 | cehteh | the only problem is when replacing a .so plugin |
| 17:38.41 | lcukn900 | only if the .so was dyna loaded after updating |
| 17:39.09 | cehteh | crashed on me once |
| 17:39.23 | andre__ | pillar, no, sorry... |
| 17:39.36 | lcukn900 | i update .so files all day long |
| 17:39.47 | lcukn900 | well night |
| 17:40.07 | lcukn900 | when im not so tired anyway |
| 17:40.13 | pillar | andre__: ok thanks anyways |
| 17:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | right, prog text and .so are open handles simply |
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| 17:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | so your major problem will be anonymous file kept by open handle allocating space on storage |
| 17:42.51 | cehteh | dependso on the update procedure .. if it overwrites or replaces the file |
| 17:43.11 | lcukn900 | same thing |
| 17:43.26 | lcukn900 | if a file is locked for writing by a process |
| 17:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | never seen an update opening a file and rewrite it's content |
| 17:43.34 | lcukn900 | it becomes anonymous |
| 17:43.52 | cehteh | yes |
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| 17:45.04 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: apt not .. but a normal cp does iirc .. and gcc linking does too .. so this strikes non careful developers :) |
| 17:45.17 | cehteh | well .. bbl |
| 17:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | cp doen't |
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| 17:46.57 | VDVsx | hey dmj726_n900, was watching football :) |
| 17:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know if maybe redirect > does |
| 17:48.28 | dmj726_n900 | hey VDVsx |
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| 17:54.26 | dmj726_n900 | is maemo still applying or has it been accepted? |
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| 17:56.30 | BluesLee | VDVsx: valerio? |
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| 17:58.41 | VDVsx | BluesLee, yes :) |
| 17:58.59 | VDVsx | dmj726_n900, applying like any other org |
| 17:59.23 | VDVsx | the submission process isn't open yet |
| 17:59.37 | BluesLee | VDVsx: you are the guy who wrote this bt remote app on the freerunner, right? good work! |
| 17:59.50 | VDVsx | BluesLee, yup |
| 18:01.43 | BluesLee | VDVsx: using accelerometers, do you think its possible to write a good juggling app? |
| 18:02.17 | VDVsx | BluesLee, lol, probably |
| 18:02.43 | BluesLee | VDVsx: i mean, is it possible to handle throws from left and right hand separatly? |
| 18:03.25 | MohammadAG | found out what caused the <unknown> stuff in about product |
| 18:03.28 | MohammadAG | fmtx-faker |
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| 18:04.17 | VDVsx | BluesLee, would be tricky for sure, but probably can be done with some learning algorithm |
| 18:04.20 | VDVsx | gtg, bbl |
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| 18:05.26 | BluesLee | the idea would be to juggle a certain pattern, lets say simple 3 ball cascade and to give a certain tolerance for the user to move up from left side (left hand throw) and move up from right hand side (right hand throw) |
| 18:06.06 | BluesLee | within a certain time otherwise the corresponding ball is dropped |
| 18:06.50 | Lumpio- | You don't need an app to juggle |
| 18:06.54 | Lumpio- | Just 3 or more N900s |
| 18:06.56 | Lumpio- | And a good insurance policy |
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| 18:07.57 | BluesLee | Lumpio-: no problem with 3 smartphones |
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| 18:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: how would you detect moves of left and right hand separately (or even move hands independantly at all for tha behalf) while the device is just *one* object? |
| 18:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | sounds as realistic as 5000m race on Wii |
| 18:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | r 100m dolphin ;-P |
| 18:11.19 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i really dont know |
| 18:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: you can create a *game* of some kind, and title it "juggler". Just like there's pinball for PC as well |
| 18:12.44 | BluesLee | but if the pattern is fixed and the order is given left, right, left, right and so on its getting simple |
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| 18:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but in the end it's all just hitting buttons arcade madness |
| 18:14.48 | pta0007 | hi, I have a question abut how to use GTK+ in scratchbox. |
| 18:15.05 | pta0007 | i wrote a qt application which employs gtk+ |
| 18:15.47 | pta0007 | but when "make", the head file such as gtk/gtk.h cant be found |
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| 18:16.01 | Corsac | a qt application using gtk+ ? |
| 18:16.04 | Corsac | cries |
| 18:16.06 | pta0007 | yes |
| 18:16.10 | Corsac | (install libgtk2.0-dev) |
| 18:16.12 | luke-jr | pta0007: don't do that. |
| 18:16.26 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 18:16.28 | Corsac | please, think of the kittens |
| 18:16.34 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 18:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm going to bake a plumcake, with salami |
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| 18:17.25 | nid0 | then feed it to a vegitarian |
| 18:17.40 | luke-jr | do vegetarians eat synthetic meat? |
| 18:17.41 | pta0007 | cause on Windows environment with MADDE, I could compile the qt application with GTK+ corretly |
| 18:17.53 | luke-jr | pta0007: compile != run |
| 18:18.06 | Corsac | he's not trying to run but to build |
| 18:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | cos in my oven, this salami plumcake bakes fine |
| 18:19.11 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i have some python code for a juggling app, how i would proceed from this to port it in a good way to maemo 5 |
| 18:19.22 | pta0007 | luck-jr: I just wonder whether I could do the same thing on linux, with the native programming environment |
| 18:19.38 | luke-jr | pta0007: no. you can't mix Qt and GTK+ <.< |
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| 18:19.55 | luke-jr | even if it compiles, it won't run* |
| 18:20.17 | pta0007 | luck-jr: ic |
| 18:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: no idea. I dunno the original app |
| 18:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: I guess you should find out about how to interface accels via py though |
| 18:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | err, the *one* accel |
| 18:21.45 | pta0007 | so, anybody could give me some links to learn building the app with gtk+ for maemo? |
| 18:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: or just use ts-tap events |
| 18:22.06 | luke-jr | pta0007: meh, don't use GTK+ either please :p |
| 18:22.29 | BluesLee | hehe ... i thought about that, there is an iphone app which does that |
| 18:22.52 | pta0007 | luck-jr: dont understand what you mean. Gtk+ is out of date? |
| 18:23.13 | pta0007 | because I would like to use the example_camera.c from maemo |
| 18:23.21 | pta0007 | which app uses gtk+ |
| 18:24.03 | luke-jr | pta0007: GTK+ is just crap; always has been |
| 18:24.18 | luke-jr | pta0007: and as far as Maemo goes, everything is moving to Qt |
| 18:24.29 | Trizt | and Nokia owns qt, so it's more Nokia :P |
| 18:24.37 | luke-jr | what does example_camera.c do? |
| 18:25.02 | pta0007 | luke-jr:do the camera function |
| 18:25.19 | luke-jr | do what with it? |
| 18:25.37 | pta0007 | show a viewfinder on the screen ,using the camera of the device |
| 18:25.54 | luke-jr | http://kapture.berlios.de/ |
| 18:25.57 | luke-jr | there's camera code |
| 18:26.21 | pta0007 | luke-jr:i'll take a look |
| 18:26.34 | b0unc3 | hey guys, there is any way to reload a statusbar plugin ? (from code) |
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| 18:26.40 | RST38h | suspects people will start porting kde apps right after pr1.2 release |
| 18:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | talking topic camera: does anybody know if the camera executable is preloded or it's started the moment you open the slider (etc, button) |
| 18:26.50 | RST38h | b0unc3: yes |
| 18:27.01 | RST38h | b0unc3: restart hildon-statusbar-whatever, a moment |
| 18:27.57 | RST38h | bounc3: ps -ax |grep hildon-status-menu and then kill the one which has bigger pid |
| 18:28.44 | tybollt | RST38h: why? |
| 18:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: except when process counter wraps ;-) |
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| 18:29.08 | RST38h | DocS: Ah, do not be a wikipedian :) |
| 18:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | sorry :-) |
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| 18:29.31 | boolean | afternoon |
| 18:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 18:30.09 | boolean | question: what does the usb status of "a_wait_bcon" mean ( n800 with maemo 5 ) |
| 18:30.27 | luke-jr | boolean: there is no such thing as N800 with Maemo 5 -.- |
| 18:30.41 | b0unc3 | RST38h, this 'reset' the statusbar to default (eg. eliminating all the others plugin) |
| 18:30.48 | Stskeeps | boolean: no maemo5 on n800 |
| 18:31.01 | RST38h | ah, ok |
| 18:31.14 | RST38h | uninstall all status bar plugins from HAM |
| 18:31.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, camera-ui is always in the process list here |
| 18:31.42 | boolean | ok n800 with diablo ... better ? :) |
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| 18:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what I expected. Thanks. [ :-( ] |
| 18:32.18 | boolean | anyhoot, I am trying to get my n800 into isb host mode but all it keeps coming back with is a_wait_bcon |
| 18:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | USB hostmode on N800?? |
| 18:32.50 | boolean | s/isb/usb |
| 18:32.58 | boolean | yup |
| 18:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | N810 has. N800 dunno, not sure |
| 18:33.16 | Stskeeps | n800 has |
| 18:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 18:33.22 | boolean | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=22187 |
| 18:33.36 | b0unc3 | RST38h, maybe you didn't understand, I want to reload a specific statusbar plugin |
| 18:33.50 | RST38h | then do what I told you |
| 18:34.00 | MohammadAG | b0unc3, killall hildon-status-menu |
| 18:34.01 | RST38h | hildon-status-thing will restart once you kill it |
| 18:34.07 | RST38h | and reload all statusbar plugins |
| 18:34.18 | RST38h | No, no killall, you do not want to kill the first instance |
| 18:34.31 | pta0007 | luke-jr:sorry for my stupid, but dont even know how to download it |
| 18:34.36 | luke-jr | ... |
| 18:34.38 | MohammadAG | RST38h, it restarts it for me :) |
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| 18:34.42 | b0unc3 | with killall works ok |
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| 18:34.51 | luke-jr | pta0007: sez right there: http://kapture.berlios.de/#download |
| 18:35.02 | RST38h | ok then |
| 18:35.04 | MohammadAG | RST38h, afaik all hildon-* stuff gets restarted if killed |
| 18:35.17 | MohammadAG | (and systemui) |
| 18:35.41 | MohammadAG | I uninstalled hildon-desktop once, just to see what would happen if it didn't find it |
| 18:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: reboot will do as well? |
| 18:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 18:36.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, true, but rebooting impacts the battery |
| 18:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | aaah ok |
| 18:36.45 | MohammadAG | though I've noticed something weird this, if I pop out my battery and pop it back in, the N900 gains two bars |
| 18:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's quite strange, as I'd expect the modem goes down completely when you remove bat |
| 18:37.47 | MohammadAG | two bars in battery life |
| 18:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 18:38.01 | nid0 | how long does it keep them for |
| 18:38.10 | MohammadAG | (might have used the long term to explain that :) ) |
| 18:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | that's no surprise. Batmeter is guessmeter botch |
| 18:38.24 | MohammadAG | nid0, as much as it would normally keep them |
| 18:38.39 | nid0 | then you have a magic neverending battery, go you |
| 18:38.57 | MohammadAG | so it's not like the bug on my (old & sold) N97 battery, where it went from 7-6-5-4-7-1 |
| 18:39.15 | nid0 | battery life is just a guesstimate at best though |
| 18:39.20 | MohammadAG | - battery* (the whole N97 was sold) |
| 18:39.39 | MohammadAG | nid0, my laptop thinks the battery lasts 5 minutes |
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| 18:39.48 | nid0 | http://xkcd.com/612/ < applies to batteries as much as windows |
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| 18:40.23 | MohammadAG | lol nid0 |
| 18:41.50 | Khertan | Hum someone know if pyopengl is available on Maemo 5 (n900) |
| 18:42.14 | luke-jr | Khertan: I would guess not, seeing as it only has GLES, not full GL |
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| 18:52.43 | Arif_ | bah |
| 18:52.54 | Arif_ | can anyone help me through setting up qtirrecco :( |
| 18:53.13 | Arif_ | I downloaded a remote but I get a blank screen after adding it :( |
| 18:57.03 | MohammadAG | Arif_, bad upload maybe? |
| 18:57.09 | MohammadAG | try a different one |
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| 18:57.16 | TomaszD | thp, update gpodder's screenshot on maemo downloads :) |
| 18:57.30 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Bug Bug Bug lol |
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| 18:57.58 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: i think dealing with icon templates would have been more pleasant today yes :P |
| 18:58.16 | Stskeeps | nuked his n900 filesystem by accident |
| 18:58.33 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 18:58.34 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: not good see should have been working on icon template |
| 18:58.52 | satmd | rms sts' rm |
| 18:58.54 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: you n900 by accident? I herd it is dangerous. |
| 18:58.56 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: http://xkcd.com/705/ |
| 18:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://xkcd.com/424/ ubuntu muhahaha |
| 18:59.56 | inz | xkcd uri wars! |
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| 19:00.12 | Myrtti | 322 |
| 19:00.14 | Myrtti | ⥠|
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| 19:01.33 | pronto | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.34 | pronto | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.35 | pronto | >.> |
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| 19:01.57 | Myrtti | sprays some of her White Musk perfume on pronto |
| 19:02.02 | pronto | eep! |
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| 19:02.27 | pronto | now i smell oh so pretty ^_^ -.- |
| 19:02.57 | Arif_ | hands pronto some earrings |
| 19:03.10 | pronto | :s |
| 19:03.26 | satmd | xkcd://! |
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| 19:05.10 | sobczyk | is it possible to load ovi maps and not use connection? |
| 19:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | you ever realized: |
| 19:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~ignore DocScrutinizer |
| 19:05.27 | infobot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, DocScrutinizer!" |
| 19:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | infobot's a girl :-D |
| 19:05.54 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: so is #ubuntu main bot too |
| 19:05.55 | satmd | sobczyk: the wiki somewhere - and the talk page too - had long discussions about that |
| 19:06.04 | satmd | short: yes |
| 19:06.16 | satmd | long: needs some work to get that up on 64 bit |
| 19:06.17 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: most bots are |
| 19:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | guess why :-P |
| 19:06.37 | Myrtti | because we can multitask |
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| 19:06.42 | Myrtti | (women) |
| 19:06.42 | satmd | eyes these 189.2.* users |
| 19:06.44 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: her owner fails to come up with a human girl |
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| 19:07.02 | w00t | satmd: lots of people working in the same office |
| 19:07.06 | satmd | oh~ |
| 19:07.10 | luke-jr | has 2-3 human girls, so his bot is male. |
| 19:07.26 | satmd | has one male bot and several female bots |
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| 19:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I tend to adopt your thoughts, though I like Myrtti's idea much better |
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| 19:07.48 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I can multitask. |
| 19:07.55 | satmd | these are my personal !cookie supply |
| 19:07.56 | satmd | :> |
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| 19:12.25 | boolean | hmm ... has anyone used the linux nokia flasher to place their n8*0's usb into host mode? |
| 19:12.50 | boolean | if so, was the procedure identical to that of the os flashing? |
| 19:14.40 | cehteh | identical certainly not |
| 19:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | never noticed you could use the host based nokia flashed to switch the gadget to host mode. Sounds idiotic anyway |
| 19:16.00 | boolean | tis part of the application, go figure |
| 19:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | boolean, just set it on the device |
| 19:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | or build yourself an OTG adaptor. |
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| 19:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | pc connectivity manager, or somesuch |
| 19:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, bootloader is always client. |
| 19:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, the flag is relevant to when you're actually booting the kernel. |
| 19:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but then who cares bout bootloader? |
| 19:18.25 | satmd | him who wants to flash |
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| 19:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | duh, it's a flag - persistent |
| 19:18.59 | GeneralAntilles | flasher talks to NOLO |
| 19:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | as I got it |
| 19:19.04 | boolean | GeneralAntilles: the problem I have bene having is when setting to host, the only status is keeps is a_wait_bcon |
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| 19:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: so ifr I got it right it's like setting a kernel cmdline option in BL |
| 19:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 19:21.29 | satmd | 'like' |
| 19:21.46 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, believe so. |
| 19:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for clarifying |
| 19:22.06 | satmd | starts in client mode, the kernel will restore it during boot |
| 19:22.25 | satmd | it=modus operandi |
| 19:22.34 | boolean | does anyone know what that usb status is? ( a_wait_bcon ) |
| 19:22.51 | boolean | all i get is some reference that it is required for shutdown |
| 19:26.14 | konttori | boolean: waiting for connection |
| 19:26.30 | konttori | means that you are in host or in OTG mode afaik |
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| 19:28.03 | boolean | konttori: thanks.. that would explain things |
| 19:28.14 | Khertan | while trying to run pyside opengl 2dpainting example i got a pyopengl must be installed .. oh god ... it s not available ! |
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| 19:30.39 | Cascade_ | New programming forum! http://www.hackersrus.info JOIN! |
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| 19:32.07 | sobczyk | are there some other maps with gps for the n900? ovi maps has a very pooor s korea coverage, openstreetmaps is perfect though I don't know if i can download the maps |
| 19:32.33 | jebba | sobczyk: try using the program "maep" with openstreetmaps (it's default i believe) |
| 19:33.41 | TomaszD | god damn, over 88k downloads |
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| 19:33.46 | sobczyk_ | jebba: can I store maps on the device |
| 19:34.27 | jebba | yes |
| 19:34.37 | sobczyk_ | great :) |
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| 19:34.54 | jebba | it does google maps, openstreetmaps, and one or two others. Very nice lean app. |
| 19:34.57 | TomaszD | zaheer__, I'm deferring any changes in Extra Decoders Support until PR1.2 is released |
| 19:35.01 | TomaszD | just so you know |
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| 19:35.45 | TomaszD | hopefully the good people at nokia will let me play with a pre-release so I can prepare a compatible package, if required |
| 19:36.00 | GeneralAntilles | TomaszD, yeah, that's on Maemo 5. |
| 19:36.05 | GeneralAntilles | TomaszD, back in my day. . . . :P |
| 19:36.36 | TomaszD | GeneralAntilles, I'm slow today, what do you mean |
| 19:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | TomaszD, smaller userbase back in the day. |
| 19:37.10 | TomaszD | ah, heh |
| 19:37.27 | TomaszD | well, I never expected to get over 88k downloads of my humble package |
| 19:37.35 | TomaszD | it's the third most popular |
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| 19:37.40 | Cascade_ | New programming forum http://www.hackersrus.info/index.php JOIN! |
| 19:37.42 | TomaszD | I got 7 EUR in donations! |
| 19:38.27 | jebba | TomaszD: what's the link to your package page? |
| 19:38.35 | TomaszD | that's why I'm a bit concerned if they decide to mess with GStreamer any further and potentially break over 88k devices |
| 19:38.55 | dev | how is expand/collapse supposed to be handled in hildon/gtk.Treeview? |
| 19:39.06 | TomaszD | jebba, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/decoders-support/ |
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| 19:40.13 | jebba | wow. Even my silly little burgerspace has 8000 hits now. I guess they are updating the download totals more often or something now. |
| 19:43.19 | Stskeeps | x-fade made them more accurate yeah |
| 19:45.10 | lcuk | more accurate? |
| 19:45.27 | Stskeeps | think it uses repo downloads |
| 19:45.35 | lcuk | it did before |
| 19:45.55 | ShadowJK | what is burgerspace? |
| 19:47.04 | penguinbait | I remember burgertime |
| 19:47.20 | VDVsx | well, the stats got stuck for more than a month :) seems that they are working now |
| 19:47.29 | koupsa | hello all. little question wich size needs virtual hard disk to install maemo on pc (netbook) ? |
| 19:47.42 | TomaszD | Heh, one thing that's cool is that Extra Decoders Support depends on Ogg Support, pulling it into the top 10 :D |
| 19:48.07 | TomaszD | there's a small discrepancy in numbers of downloads, as it didn't depend on it since the very beginning |
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| 19:50.48 | alterego | What's that program that routes 3G connectivity through an adhoc wireless connection? Got banned from iphone app store. |
| 19:50.51 | lcuk | well we need to make the map thing more accurate too then |
| 19:50.52 | jebba | ShadowJK, penguinbait, ya, like burgertime: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/burgerspace/ |
| 19:51.08 | lcuk | VDVsx, how do we get everyone sticking pins into the map |
| 19:51.28 | penguinbait | lcuk !!!!! |
| 19:51.30 | lcuk | without putting a picture of Stskeeps there |
| 19:51.37 | lcuk | pin the mouse on the admin |
| 19:51.41 | lcuk | hiya pb |
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| 19:52.16 | penguinbait | Finally got a n900 (two week loaner arrived yesterday) |
| 19:53.17 | w00t | lcuk: make it look like nipples |
| 19:53.22 | w00t | then everyone will want to poke it |
| 19:53.41 | lcuk | nahhh whenever that happens i end up licking the screen |
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| 19:53.46 | w00t | lol |
| 19:53.46 | lcuk | never get milk tho |
| 19:54.01 | w00t | notes to self: never touch lcuk's touchscreens |
| 19:54.02 | lcuk | penguinbait, w00t then |
| 19:54.05 | penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/n900.jpg |
| 19:54.11 | lcuk | my touchscreens are never licked |
| 19:54.15 | penguinbait | w00t w00t |
| 19:54.20 | w00t | lcuk: but but.. tactile feedback! |
| 19:54.24 | w00t | penguinbait: indeed. |
| 19:54.38 | w00t | 02/23@20:54:19 <#maemo/w00t> lcuk: but but.. tactile feedback! |
| 19:54.43 | lcuk | w00t do you get frustrated when random passers by touch your normal untouchscreen monitor? |
| 19:54.46 | wazd | has found Bioshock fan site kit |
| 19:54.47 | w00t | is it a disturbing thing that I now want to lick my n900 to try this? |
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| 19:54.54 | SpeedEvil | penguinbait: is that native/ |
| 19:55.08 | penguinbait | SpeedEvil yes of course |
| 19:55.10 | jacekowski | how to make media player play mkv files |
| 19:55.14 | thresh | nice indeed |
| 19:55.41 | TomaszD | jacekowski, do you have Extra Decoders Support package installed? |
| 19:55.47 | jebba | penguinbait: uh, you have kde4 on there?? Is that floating aroudn in the repos or something? Or illusion? |
| 19:55.52 | penguinbait | lcuk, I thought you were making an app to teach men how to eat women, you practice by licking your n900 |
| 19:56.06 | _andy | penguinbait: so much win. (http://penguinbait.com/n900.jpg) |
| 19:56.08 | penguinbait | it is KDE 3.5.8 |
| 19:56.12 | lcuk | liqwomen is in progress |
| 19:56.38 | penguinbait | I thought so |
| 19:56.39 | jacekowski | TomaszD: do you think i would ask if i didn't? |
| 19:56.42 | Myrtti | li what? |
| 19:56.53 | w00t | lcuk: lickwomen! |
| 19:56.56 | penguinbait | _andy what? |
| 19:57.04 | jebba | penguinbait: how? |
| 19:57.36 | lcuk | w00t, its right, i made an ircbot |
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| 19:57.46 | penguinbait | I compiled KDE 3.5.8 for Diablo, and it still works, needs some tweaking though, probably a complete recompile is called for |
| 19:57.51 | jacekowski | TomaszD: Mantainer: Tomasz Dominikowski |
| 19:57.54 | penguinbait | but it runs better than on the 810 |
| 19:58.01 | lcuk | penguinbait, no shit |
| 19:58.04 | jacekowski | TomaszD: it's working in mplayer |
| 19:58.20 | penguinbait | no shit |
| 19:58.24 | _andy | penguinbait: your picture is awesome. |
| 19:58.38 | TomaszD | jacekowski, I would demand my money back if it doesn't work, especially without reading the troubleshooting guide |
| 19:58.54 | lcuk | freezes |
| 19:58.56 | jacekowski | TomaszD: i want my money back |
| 19:59.11 | TomaszD | :) |
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| 19:59.46 | lcuk | jebba did a birdy tell me right you were quite well into qt 3.x at some point in history |
| 19:59.52 | alterego | Ah joiku |
| 19:59.59 | jacekowski | TomaszD: where is that troubleshooting guide? |
| 20:00.02 | TomaszD | jacekowski, are you trying to play a Matroska container with HD video and/or H.264 Main/High profile, you're out of luck |
| 20:00.20 | TomaszD | jacekowski, http://code.google.com/p/extra-decoders-support-for-n900/wiki/Troubleshooting |
| 20:00.40 | konttori | nice shot penguinbait ! |
| 20:00.46 | jacekowski | ffh264 |
| 20:01.02 | jacekowski | that's what mplayer says |
| 20:01.17 | jebba | lcuk: a birdy mighta, but i'm not well into qt3 afaik |
| 20:01.18 | drizztbsd | it doesn't works to me with a dlna server |
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| 20:01.38 | TomaszD | then it's most likely not a profile the N900 is able to play back, it only support H.264 Baseline 3.0 |
| 20:02.15 | TomaszD | jacekowski, is the mkv file listed in the media player? |
| 20:02.16 | jacekowski | well, mplayer on n900 plays it |
| 20:02.19 | jacekowski | yes it is |
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| 20:02.57 | TomaszD | jacekowski, mplayer is ffmpeg, media player is gstreamer, but you know that, so what else do you want |
| 20:03.24 | jacekowski | UI |
| 20:03.31 | TomaszD | try SiB |
| 20:03.32 | drizztbsd | TomaszD: if I use gst-ffmpeg? |
| 20:03.59 | TomaszD | drizztbsd, it's already installed if you use Extra Decoders, doesn't work for advanced profiles |
| 20:04.13 | drizztbsd | because of an hardware limitation? |
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| 20:04.25 | TomaszD | there is no hardware support for the advanced profiles |
| 20:04.40 | drizztbsd | ok |
| 20:04.41 | sobczyk_ | mkv is only a container |
| 20:04.43 | drizztbsd | thanks :) |
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| 20:04.50 | TomaszD | sobczyk_, I think we all know that... |
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| 20:05.09 | jacekowski | i'm not sure if i have problem with container or with it's content |
| 20:05.16 | sobczyk_ | so why the default player does not show mkv files/ |
| 20:05.18 | drizztbsd | so does mplayer use only software decoding? |
| 20:05.24 | TomaszD | sobczyk_, it does |
| 20:05.43 | TomaszD | drizztbsd, it does have some NEON optimizations for ARM |
| 20:05.48 | TomaszD | but other than that, software |
| 20:06.16 | TomaszD | jacekowski, try installing SiB, it's an mplayer Qt GUI |
| 20:06.21 | TomaszD | it's in devel I think |
| 20:06.24 | jebba | fwiw, peripherally related, i built the ffmpeg in extras-devel (or wherever it is) with neon fooness too. |
| 20:06.32 | jacekowski | i've tried kmplayer and it failed |
| 20:07.01 | TomaszD | file a bug then |
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| 20:08.27 | TomaszD | I would imagine that all the profiles of H.264 could be made to work, but I don't think it's possible to do this without removing hardware acceleration for the baseline profile, ie. by ripping out the default decoder |
| 20:08.38 | TomaszD | and you don't want that kind of battery drain |
| 20:09.22 | TomaszD | also, it's not permitted to replace any system files, it can be done, but I'd get banned from Extras :) |
| 20:09.27 | TomaszD | so live with what you have |
| 20:09.53 | jacekowski | but you can change codec preference |
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| 20:10.25 | TomaszD | I don't think so, but would love to be proven otherwise, the code for extra decoders is open and public, patches welcome |
| 20:10.34 | TomaszD | the media player is closed source and will not be opened |
| 20:10.57 | jacekowski | it can always be reversed |
| 20:11.05 | andre__ | for reference, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1235 |
| 20:11.06 | povbot | Bug 1235: Please consider open-sourcing the media player |
| 20:11.09 | drizztbsd | will meego work on n900? |
| 20:11.14 | drizztbsd | :) |
| 20:11.15 | TomaszD | go ahead jacekowski ... |
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| 20:12.12 | jacekowski | i'm just wondering how long it would take for nokia to send cease and desist letter |
| 20:12.27 | TomaszD | it would still be a pointless exercise |
| 20:12.41 | drizztbsd | and not legal |
| 20:12.48 | TomaszD | main and high profiles aren't really designed for mobile devices |
| 20:14.07 | jacekowski | i've downloaded scratchbox VM finally |
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| 20:14.34 | jacekowski | so i'll play with it |
| 20:14.43 | TomaszD | alright |
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| 20:15.19 | drizztbsd | uhm maybe I can use 2 video stream in the mkv file |
| 20:15.30 | drizztbsd | the hd stream and the mobile stream |
| 20:15.39 | randomthings | whats a cease and desist letter? |
| 20:15.47 | TomaszD | drizztbsd, you could, but make sure the first one (default one) is the mobile one |
| 20:15.56 | TomaszD | I'd be interesting to see if it works |
| 20:16.02 | SpeedEvil | randomthings: a letter from a lawyer telling you to stop it. |
| 20:16.12 | jacekowski | TomaszD: lower bitrate one is always mobile one |
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| 20:16.26 | randomthings | aha, so r they going to send this letter to? |
| 20:16.50 | randomthings | aha, so who r they going to send this letter to? |
| 20:16.55 | TomaszD | jacekowski, that's not the point. The point is that the media player doesn't have the ability to switch between streams and is likely to play the first stream |
| 20:16.58 | jacekowski | randomthings: we don't know yet |
| 20:17.22 | konttori | TomaszD: well, perhaps the media player should not be used then for videos. |
| 20:17.23 | TomaszD | randomthings, no-one is sending anything to anyone |
| 20:17.26 | jacekowski | TomaszD: you could do some ugly hacks in demuxer |
| 20:17.36 | randomthings | aha but its in the news that why u guys were talking about it? |
| 20:17.49 | konttori | btw, I have pretty decent GTk based video player almost in beta state. |
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| 20:18.05 | randomthings | aha |
| 20:18.08 | randomthings | ok |
| 20:18.12 | konttori | in case you would be interested in adding the mkv stream selection to it |
| 20:18.30 | konttori | at the moment, it just uses playbin2 to play whatever it would play as default. |
| 20:18.40 | konttori | but it's easy to extend that behavior. |
| 20:18.46 | TomaszD | which is what the media player does I think |
| 20:18.53 | konttori | I think so too |
| 20:18.54 | drizztbsd | maybe there is some qt player with phonon gstreamer backend |
| 20:19.00 | drizztbsd | i thinks it's supported |
| 20:19.06 | konttori | probably not. |
| 20:19.17 | konttori | but perhaps someone could make one. |
| 20:19.30 | TomaszD | no, I just use big words, I'm not a coder, I just package things up konttori |
| 20:19.45 | TomaszD | can't help you with the code |
| 20:19.59 | jacekowski | TomaszD: are you polish? |
| 20:20.03 | konttori | humm.. well, perhaps I can add the code. But don't have the time just now to do it. |
| 20:20.15 | konttori | gstreamer is not rocket science. |
| 20:20.17 | TomaszD | jacekowski, indeed |
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| 20:20.37 | konttori | (using it atleast - never coded anything in it) |
| 20:20.41 | randomthings | can anyone tell me that in the webbrowser how to change the default search from mobile version of google to the desktop version of it |
| 20:21.15 | TomaszD | it's probably in about:config somewhere |
| 20:21.33 | TomaszD | be careful though |
| 20:21.35 | jebba | unfortunately, i think it will revert to the stock google on restart |
| 20:21.46 | randomthings | so in url place i should write about:config |
| 20:21.50 | TomaszD | yes |
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| 20:23.01 | TomaszD | type search |
| 20:23.10 | TomaszD | the third result is the string you want to change |
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| 20:24.13 | randomthings | nothing coming up just the lil orange bar moving left n right |
| 20:24.42 | randomthings | i typed about:config in the url text box |
| 20:24.55 | TomaszD | well it should work, it works here |
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| 20:25.02 | TomaszD | although I don't know how to edit the fields |
| 20:25.03 | randomthings | hmm |
| 20:25.09 | randomthings | aha |
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| 20:25.38 | randomthings | there should simply be a text file which we could open in a text editor and change |
| 20:26.35 | corecode | what's the deal with downloading firefox |
| 20:26.35 | myforke | hey guys, I have one question, can I control the mediaplayer on the command line. Or have somebody more information to the mediaplayer or audio control? |
| 20:26.41 | corecode | isn't "web" already firefox? |
| 20:26.47 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 20:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, no. |
| 20:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's Gecko |
| 20:26.55 | SpeedEvil | corecode: microb is based on gecko |
| 20:26.56 | GeneralAntilles | Gecko is not FireFox. |
| 20:26.58 | myforke | because I |
| 20:27.03 | drizztbsd | it's better to use tablet-encode or handbrake? |
| 20:27.05 | SpeedEvil | corecode: firefox is also based on gecko |
| 20:27.15 | SpeedEvil | corecode: but they differ fairly widely |
| 20:27.32 | jebba | myforke: this may give some pointers: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-media-play |
| 20:28.05 | myforke | thanks jebba, I will check this .. |
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| 20:28.38 | myforke | because I |
| 20:30.24 | ShadowJK | It would be cool if gst could fall back to another decoder for h264 main... |
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| 20:30.51 | konttori | ShadowJK: indeed |
| 20:31.04 | TomaszD | it would be |
| 20:31.08 | konttori | hmm... perhaps I can discuss about it tomorrow. |
| 20:31.24 | konttori | support won't make it for pr1.2, but perhaps to a later release, if it's doable. |
| 20:31.35 | TomaszD | that would be great |
| 20:31.39 | corecode | ah |
| 20:31.52 | konttori | would be even better to have the main profile decoded by dsp. |
| 20:32.02 | corecode | so why would i use firefox and not microb |
| 20:32.31 | TomaszD | konttori, of course |
| 20:32.32 | TomaszD | :) |
| 20:33.08 | SpeedEvil | ff has tabs |
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| 20:33.44 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, and better plugin compatibility. |
| 20:33.52 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, plus an open source UI |
| 20:33.58 | ShadowJK | btw, MPlayer on smartq knows how to fall back from the hw h264 decoder to software decoder ;-) |
| 20:34.01 | GeneralAntilles | Downsides are it's bigger and slower. |
| 20:34.08 | jebba | midori is decent on n900 too, but the screen updates are slower. |
| 20:34.15 | ShadowJK | (with terrible performance on 667MHz arm9) |
| 20:34.31 | florian | re |
| 20:36.07 | ShadowJK | Take the NEON optimizations from ffmpeg, put them in CoreAVC and you've got a performance winner |
| 20:36.51 | TomaszD | coreavc is amazing on its own |
| 20:38.10 | andrewfblack | needs more hours in the day |
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| 20:38.38 | Duffer | Hi |
| 20:40.21 | Duffer | ? |
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| 20:40.54 | Duffer | lo |
| 20:41.05 | fragment | hello |
| 20:41.49 | Duffer | u have N900? |
| 20:42.39 | hardaker | anyone have a n900 case they like? I think I need to give in and get one (after dropping mine in the snow because it's too slippery) |
| 20:42.59 | ShadowJK | it'd be pretty interesting to see coreavc vs ffmpeg on Cortex A8 actually... supposedly CoreAVC suffers on CPUs with small caches |
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| 20:44.00 | brik | hardaker: I've got this one and it's pretty good http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLACK-LEATHER-WALLET-CASE-COVER-SKIN-FOR-NOKIA-N900-UK_W0QQitemZ160381021922QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item2557742ee2 |
| 20:44.29 | cehteh | hardaker: http://git.pipapo.org/n900case/n900_shell.html |
| 20:44.32 | hardaker | does it sit in the case when you use it, or do you take it out? |
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| 20:44.55 | brik | sits in there, it has a plastic thing that goes into the keyboard |
| 20:44.58 | hardaker | cehteh: Sweet! |
| 20:45.09 | Owen | i use the cp-321 case |
| 20:45.23 | hardaker | brik: ah. I'm not sure I could live with the fold-over though. |
| 20:46.00 | hardaker | Owen: that's just a hip case though right? I want a protective always-on case |
| 20:46.28 | Owen | it stays on in my pocket |
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| 20:46.47 | hardaker | http://nokiaexperts.com/review-noreve-traditional-leather-case-metal-belt-clip-nokia-n900/ |
| 20:46.51 | hardaker | that looked good, but expensive |
| 20:47.05 | cehteh | plans to make an outer shell which will be waterproof with bike mount |
| 20:47.08 | Owen | corners are exposed though so drop may still damage |
| 20:47.16 | cehteh | (acryl plate) |
| 20:47.24 | hardaker | yep... that's the problem with a sliding screen... |
| 20:48.21 | brik | also using this one (mine's very much protected :P) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLUE-HYBRID-HARD-COVER-RUBBER-CASE-FOR-NOKIA-N900_W0QQitemZ150393503361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item230426be81#ht_2508wt_1165 |
| 20:49.00 | hardaker | brik: and you like it I take it? |
| 20:49.05 | Owen | looks interesting |
| 20:50.10 | brik | ya |
| 20:51.07 | randomthings | good night to all who have night time in their zones right now zzzzzzzz |
| 20:51.17 | SpeedEvil | I want a waterproof case with a capacitive screen on top |
| 20:51.32 | brik | someone on maemo talk said one of those scraped paint of their phone tho, but mine's fine after 2-3 months of using that one |
| 20:51.35 | cehteh | brik: how are the things attached? glued? especially the top frame |
| 20:52.13 | brik | it has clips that goes on the side of it |
| 20:52.24 | cehteh | ah ok |
| 20:52.31 | hardaker | there is also this one, but I haven't seen reviews of it anywhere http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Simple-Casewith-Protector-Rubberized/dp/B002XZM0V2 |
| 20:52.35 | Owen | plastic clips? |
| 20:52.45 | cehteh | abs with rubber sounds good |
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| 20:53.16 | brik | ya plastic |
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| 20:54.34 | cehteh | well i have mine, hard shell, and neoprene gives a good grip, plus good corner protection |
| 20:54.49 | cehteh | just cant slide it out while its inside |
| 20:54.59 | Owen | got fMMS working earlier, tis good |
| 20:55.17 | Scelt_ | fMMS rocks |
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| 20:55.59 | Scelt_ | I'm used to use MMS so without fMMS I would be in sorrow |
| 20:56.37 | Owen | what's maximum width setting? 300? |
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| 20:57.56 | Scelt_ | I have 300 |
| 20:58.00 | Scelt_ | it depends on your operator |
| 20:58.07 | Scelt_ | you can find the settings from fmms page |
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| 20:59.03 | Owen | cool |
| 21:00.19 | Owen | got a replacement stylus |
| 21:00.30 | Owen | not that impressed |
| 21:01.20 | Owen | it is moulded in two parts, straight down the middle |
| 21:01.57 | Owen | and there is a mould seam right on tip |
| 21:02.13 | Owen | could scratch screen |
| 21:02.38 | hardaker | I want a stylus with a pen in it.... Had one for my treo and LOVED it |
| 21:02.50 | nid0 | well, my stupid sip-only bluetooth keyboard pairs and connects now, just gotta figure out how to actually map the damn thing to use it :< |
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| 21:03.06 | SpeedEvil | Owen: take some unpolished wood. Rub it on it till it's smooth. Polish on jeans. |
| 21:03.16 | konttori | was surprised to see that ign.com videos played without framedrop in the pr1.2 browser (using the flashblock to make sure it's the only flash on page wasting cpu). |
| 21:04.10 | Owen | yeah lucky i examined it really carefully before touching screen! |
| 21:04.36 | Owen | might polish up though :-) |
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| 21:05.56 | myforke | @jedda, on more question, can I check when the track end and start a new track? Because I'm very foul and I don't want go to my phone to search a new track... :) |
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| 21:07.46 | myforke | ok, I think all files are store with the path in the sqllite database, ok I can creat with a script a playlist ;) uii a good activity for the train trip tomorrow |
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| 21:10.44 | Owen | anyone else have BH-905s ? |
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| 21:12.25 | frals | konttori: flash performance improvements in 1.2? ;) |
| 21:12.35 | frals | maybe svtplay.se will be usable then... *dreams* |
| 21:13.01 | Owen | i cant get 1.2 ota |
| 21:13.01 | Scelt_ | I've tried to use some flash sites too but they're unusable atm |
| 21:13.12 | Owen | in uk mmm |
| 21:13.31 | Scelt_ | Owen: konttori is a master of the maemo. he's betatesting it in his own little mansion |
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| 21:13.45 | nid0 | its not released yet, and even when it is if you're on the uk firmware you most likely wont get it until between either a few hours or forever after everyone else |
| 21:14.34 | Owen | yeah may have to swap to global f/w |
| 21:14.39 | Scelt_ | using now autoconnect with fMMS. but it's undocumented so I don't know how it should work :P maybe connect when there's no connection active |
| 21:15.34 | ShadowJK | test with current version and flashblock to see if it's an improvement... |
| 21:17.18 | Scelt_ | ShadowJK: what's flashblock? |
| 21:17.48 | Owen | i was watching olympics using iPlayer on the train, hot girl next to me |
| 21:17.58 | Owen | was impressed lol |
| 21:18.37 | Owen | in my mind she was anyway ;-) |
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| 21:19.05 | ShadowJK | vaguely remembers his operator used to stream national tv stations over 3g |
| 21:19.20 | ShadowJK | like proper rtsp instead of flash |
| 21:19.57 | ShadowJK | but then when they actually started to have more than one or two 3g basestations they stopped with the "mobile tv" thing |
| 21:20.41 | Owen | where r u shadow |
| 21:21.21 | ShadowJK | .fi |
| 21:22.09 | Owen | quite a progressive country like that |
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| 21:22.22 | Scelt | ShadowJK: remember to watch the nordic combined, starting in half an hour |
| 21:22.23 | ShadowJK | Amusingly I can't test with n900 if they brought back the streaming, it required wap browser through the wap apn rather than the internet apn :) |
| 21:23.02 | ShadowJK | there already was some of that earlier.. skijump tho.. |
| 21:23.12 | Scelt | ye, skiing left |
| 21:23.27 | Owen | lol downgrade user agent |
| 21:23.39 | ShadowJK | and why does n900 write i j as ij in what looks like one char |
| 21:23.57 | Scelt | it's awesome to use n900 from pc as root |
| 21:25.10 | ShadowJK | hm, only does it in xchat |
| 21:25.12 | Scelt | ugh. flashblock is of course that "adflashblock-css". missed it when trying to find it from the list by the leading F. should have used search |
| 21:25.44 | Owen | i have just heard the low battery noise for the first time |
| 21:25.54 | Owen | bit feeble |
| 21:26.05 | Owen | sad sounding |
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| 21:26.31 | ShadowJK | not as much a downgrade as going through the wap gateway proxy which adds phonenumber and such to http/wap headers.. |
| 21:26.54 | Owen | aahh |
| 21:26.58 | ShadowJK | owen: it's saying "feed me :(" |
| 21:27.12 | ShadowJK | "I'm hungwy :(" |
| 21:28.59 | Owen | lol i'm pretty anal about keeping it charged |
| 21:29.15 | Scelt | anal? :D |
| 21:29.28 | Owen | i have heard bad things can happen if it runs flat |
| 21:30.17 | Owen | anally retentive lol |
| 21:30.38 | Proteous | lithium ion batteries don't like to be run flat |
| 21:31.11 | RST38h | not sure he wants the details |
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| 21:31.20 | Proteous | you can permanantly lower the capacity of the bttery |
| 21:31.20 | nid0 | its more that the device wont be able to switch itself on to get into charging state if it's totally flat |
| 21:31.22 | N900evil | you can'tg frun it that flat |
| 21:31.36 | Owen | i have heard the n900 can't charge a dead batt |
| 21:31.37 | tg | cat'tg? :) |
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| 22:37.19 | Arif_ | .....oh wait |
| 22:37.34 | midas | i could |
| 22:37.40 | Arif_ | o rly |
| 22:37.46 | midas | yrly |
| 22:37.52 | Arif_ | I hear android only supports mp4 ={ |
| 22:37.59 | midas | tssh |
| 22:38.22 | yigal | Arif_: exactly, that's another reason why it sucks |
| 22:38.23 | dmj7261 | and h.264 and theora, right? |
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| 22:38.29 | yigal | dmj7261: for music |
| 22:38.37 | yigal | but mp4 video . |
| 22:38.50 | yigal | unless I'm mistaken, hopefully I am |
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| 22:39.10 | yigal | why does Android suck soo much, I'll be quiet for a while now |
| 22:39.12 | dmj7261 | I'm probably the mistaken one. I just assumed it must support those |
| 22:39.28 | Arif_ | not what I tried in the store |
| 22:39.28 | Arif_ | :p |
| 22:39.36 | yigal | dmj7261: it does support theora music, I listen to mostly ogg in my music player |
| 22:39.49 | dmj7261 | you mean flac? |
| 22:39.49 | yigal | g1 that is on the way to school |
| 22:39.50 | Arif_ | ogg? |
| 22:39.52 | Arif_ | who uses that :P |
| 22:40.06 | yigal | Arif_: I know, I know :( |
| 22:40.07 | midas | too bad my nokia carkit doesnt support my n900 |
| 22:40.25 | nid0 | doesnt support it how? |
| 22:40.41 | SpeedEvil | there is a USB-carkit standard |
| 22:40.43 | Arif_ | everyone rips music in mp3 |
| 22:40.47 | Arif_ | :< |
| 22:40.51 | Arif_ | or flac sometimes |
| 22:41.12 | dmj7261 | flac :) |
| 22:41.17 | lcuk | wma |
| 22:41.23 | Arif_ | real audio |
| 22:41.25 | dmj7261 | cringe |
| 22:41.38 | lcuk | wav |
| 22:41.57 | Arif_ | midi? |
| 22:42.07 | lcuk | ideal |
| 22:42.11 | dmj7261 | has gigabytes of .wav music |
| 22:42.17 | nid0 | clearly bitmap images with the notes drawn out is the way to go |
| 22:42.20 | dmj7261 | also .sib |
| 22:42.32 | lcuk | nid0, interesting compression technique |
| 22:42.52 | lcuk | i would prefer scans taken from clay cylinders |
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| 22:45.15 | ShadowJK | RST38h, added atom: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=542944#post542944 |
| 22:45.34 | ShadowJK | RST38h, per clock it's marginally faster than omap3 at OGR-NG |
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| 22:52.29 | SpeedEvil | listens to most music as mp2. |
| 22:52.39 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: where are you getting all the mp2 music? |
| 22:52.54 | SpeedEvil | DAB radio. |
| 22:53.00 | ds3 | AH |
| 22:53.07 | SpeedEvil | I'd actually really like it if there was a way to rip it. |
| 22:53.07 | Arif_ | oh me too |
| 22:53.19 | Arif_ | but I lisen to satellite radio |
| 22:53.20 | Arif_ | :P |
| 22:53.23 | SpeedEvil | Simply to make a 'all in one' media device. |
| 22:53.34 | Arif_ | which I can stream to the N900 |
| 22:53.35 | Arif_ | = |
| 22:53.36 | Arif_ | =} |
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| 22:54.36 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Ripping DAB is pretty easy (depending on what hardware you have available). Hell, Psion's Wavefinder (RIP) even commercially supported it. |
| 22:55.05 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: what kind of device do you use for DAB? |
| 22:55.32 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: sure. Now point to one commercial DAB->PC device - other than the aforementioned wavefinder. |
| 22:55.34 | crashanddie_ | properly wired teeth |
| 22:55.58 | Arif_ | hands SpeedEvil a satellite tv card |
| 22:55.59 | SpeedEvil | ds3: http://www.radio-now.co.uk/pure_oasis.htm |
| 22:56.12 | Arif_ | there you go |
| 22:56.17 | Arif_ | all the mp2 audio you could dream of! |
| 22:56.18 | SpeedEvil | DAB in the radio sense. |
| 22:56.46 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Some of the DVB-T cards might support it? |
| 22:56.46 | Arif_ | then again |
| 22:56.49 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting |
| 22:56.51 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: nope |
| 22:56.59 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: totally different standard than dvb-t |
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| 22:57.02 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Ho hum. Been a while since I looked TBH |
| 22:57.04 | Arif_ | I know what DAB is =( |
| 22:57.10 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: thought there was USB dongles that did that? |
| 22:57.11 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Indeed, thought some had dual-tuners. |
| 22:57.31 | SpeedEvil | I looked moderately intensively a year or so ago, and found nothing. |
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| 22:58.23 | Arif_ | don't you have the radio stations you want on some satellite? |
| 22:58.35 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 22:58.49 | SpeedEvil | However - I want them in a little box that I can carry around. |
| 22:58.56 | Arif_ | the N900? |
| 22:59.01 | ds3 | USB dongle and a working N900 hostmode.... |
| 22:59.07 | SpeedEvil | The above radio is great - waterproof, can be dropped and kicked, ... |
| 22:59.14 | SpeedEvil | there are no USB DAB dongles. |
| 22:59.18 | Arif_ | hehe |
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| 22:59.26 | Arif_ | I love DVBVIewer's streaming service |
| 22:59.26 | SpeedEvil | Apart from the psion wavefinder. |
| 22:59.28 | Arif_ | and KMPlayer :P |
| 22:59.32 | ShadowJK | How far down have they cut the bitrate on DAB these days? |
| 22:59.38 | SpeedEvil | Which uses a substantial fraction of a watt. |
| 22:59.57 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: despite my contribution to the OFCOM consultation - it's 'what the market can bear'. |
| 23:00.13 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: the broadcasters can put whatever bitrate tehy like out. |
| 23:00.14 | SpeedEvil | checks. |
| 23:00.17 | Arif_ | ShadowJK, if they don't transcode it from sat source it's usually between 256-384 |
| 23:00.37 | SpeedEvil | Arif_: you're not in the UK are you. |
| 23:00.40 | Arif_ | well, that's what Turkish channels usually broadcast at |
| 23:00.42 | ShadowJK | I'd assume they get it from the radio station |
| 23:01.00 | Arif_ | most radio stations use satellite as their terrestrial source |
| 23:01.30 | Arif_ | maybe it's different in the Uk and I'm just talking nonsense |
| 23:01.31 | Arif_ | ;( |
| 23:01.53 | ShadowJK | Well in UK "Radio Station" probably means one nation-wide channel, which has the same content throughout the entire nation, broadcasting over AM, FM, Cable, DAB, DVB-T and Internet |
| 23:02.24 | SpeedEvil | radio 1 - 128k radio 2 - 128k radio 3 192k, radio 4 128k, radio 5 live - 80k mono. radio 7 80k mono |
| 23:02.35 | Arif_ | 80k mono? |
| 23:02.36 | Arif_ | sweet |
| 23:02.47 | ShadowJK | The radio 5 live podcast is 64k mp3 iirc |
| 23:03.16 | SpeedEvil | bbc scotland 128k. bbc worldservice 64k mono, classic FM 160K |
| 23:03.17 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 23:03.22 | SpeedEvil | 80K mp2 |
| 23:03.31 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 23:03.33 | SpeedEvil | it's not as good as mp3 - it doesn't have the perceptual shizzle. |
| 23:03.35 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 23:03.42 | ShadowJK | Well |
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| 23:03.48 | ShadowJK | It depends on the encoder |
| 23:04.25 | SpeedEvil | to a degree. |
| 23:04.44 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. 112K several music stations. |
| 23:05.39 | Arif_ | wow |
| 23:05.46 | Arif_ | the Turks have better streams than the Brits! |
| 23:05.52 | Arif_ | never thought I'd see that... |
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| 23:06.38 | SpeedEvil | 28 channels - of which maybe 20 are worse quality than FM |
| 23:06.48 | SpeedEvil | (with a good signal) |
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| 23:07.06 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - I get a error-free signal on the inbuilyt 15cm whip |
| 23:07.06 | Arif_ | so why did they go to DAB anyway |
| 23:07.16 | SpeedEvil | More channels. |
| 23:07.30 | Arif_ | they couldn't fit 28 channels in FM? |
| 23:07.30 | SpeedEvil | And the encoding was locked in a couple of years too early perhaps. |
| 23:07.48 | SpeedEvil | that is 28 channels nationwide. |
| 23:07.52 | SpeedEvil | or >that |
| 23:07.56 | SpeedEvil | and no, you can't. |
| 23:08.05 | SpeedEvil | not and have them recievable everywhere |
| 23:08.14 | SpeedEvil | DAB supports single frequency networks. |
| 23:08.39 | SpeedEvil | Which means that you can broadcast a multiplex over large regions using multiple transmitters on the same frequency. |
| 23:08.47 | SpeedEvil | Try doing that on FM, and you get a complete mess. |
| 23:09.34 | Arif_ | if you start at 87.5 and send in steps of 0.3 you get quite a few channels :P |
| 23:09.52 | SpeedEvil | Yes, however - in an isolated spot. |
| 23:10.11 | ShadowJK | BBC was doing it on AM, multiple transmitters far away, with phase alignment compensated so that the signal would stay together roughly inside the UK |
| 23:10.41 | SpeedEvil | If you want to be able to continuously recieve a station over a wide area, you need many frequencies for each single station. |
| 23:10.43 | SpeedEvil | (on FM) |
| 23:10.54 | SpeedEvil | On AM/LW - there is some more latitude. |
| 23:10.57 | ShadowJK | Yeah, at any time I can hear the same channel on maybe 3 - 5 frequencies.. Thank god for RDS, automatically picking the frequency with strongest signal for the channel I want |
| 23:11.23 | Arif_ | hmm, I didn't know the advantage of that :) |
| 23:11.43 | Arif_ | waits for cellphones to add DAB |
| 23:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Gonna be a while. |
| 23:12.16 | SpeedEvil | DAB uses _LOTS_ more power than FM radio reciever. |
| 23:12.19 | ShadowJK | "TooLAME utilizes the highly tuned psychoacoustic model developed for LAME, but applied to MP2 audio encoding, instead." |
| 23:12.33 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: hmm |
| 23:12.42 | ShadowJK | Sadly we're likely to see DVB-H in cellphones before DAB I think |
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| 23:12.54 | SpeedEvil | My DAB radio has 13h battery life. |
| 23:13.06 | Arif_ | DVBH sucks |
| 23:13.10 | Arif_ | =p |
| 23:13.14 | Arif_ | no one uses it |
| 23:13.19 | SpeedEvil | To do this it has something resembling a laptop battery inside. |
| 23:13.24 | SpeedEvil | Well - a netbook. |
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| 23:13.34 | SpeedEvil | 4*18650 |
| 23:13.51 | nid0 | battery technology desperately needs to take a huge leap forward :< |
| 23:13.58 | Arif_ | yes |
| 23:14.03 | Arif_ | I demand 5 week usage from the N900 |
| 23:14.10 | SpeedEvil | I constructed an internal generator for my laptop. |
| 23:14.17 | Arif_ | hmm |
| 23:14.34 | Arif_ | thinks internet streaming will be more widespread than DVBH/DAB now most cars have a sim slot |
| 23:14.49 | SpeedEvil | In a secondary battery bay using http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COX-Babe-Bee-049-Model-Aircraft-Glow-Engine-New-InBox_W0QQitemZ380208961303QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN?hash=item5886385717 and a small motor as a gene*rator* |
| 23:14.59 | ds3 | consider moving into a large hamster wheel? |
| 23:15.18 | SpeedEvil | Arif_: the 3g networks really, really can't cope with audio streamed to every car. |
| 23:15.27 | Arif_ | not yet |
| 23:15.28 | SpeedEvil | Arif_: broadcast is spectrally efficient. |
| 23:15.55 | SpeedEvil | As you can have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people listening to one broadcast. |
| 23:15.56 | Arif_ | I prefer 3G though, removes the region barrier |
| 23:16.20 | Arif_ | Me as a Turk living in Dutchland prefers Turkish radio stations :p |
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| 23:16.41 | SpeedEvil | And 3G is nowhere near covered enough in most countries to do drop-out-free radio. |
| 23:16.59 | Arif_ | that's true |
| 23:17.03 | Arif_ | that's why they need to develop it |
| 23:17.07 | ds3 | wonder if the vatican has complete country coverage for 3G |
| 23:17.08 | Arif_ | instead of DAB =P |
| 23:17.30 | Arif_ | do they even have 3G? |
| 23:18.11 | nid0 | where's the cell operators' incentive to spend billions and billions on massive (in several orders of magnitude) improvements to 3g coverage and capacity just to replace broadcast? |
| 23:18.43 | Arif_ | so they can remove 2G? |
| 23:18.45 | Arif_ | ;( |
| 23:18.53 | Arif_ | and I can be entertained :P |
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| 23:21.48 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, do you have a video of your internal laptop generator in actioN? |
| 23:22.38 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 23:22.46 | SpeedEvil | I never actually used it slid into the laptop. |
| 23:23.00 | SpeedEvil | Owing to the should-have-been-forseeable mist of castor oil. |
| 23:23.11 | SpeedEvil | And no digital camera. |
| 23:23.14 | SpeedEvil | It was ~1998 |
| 23:23.25 | ShadowJK | need a cleaner engine |
| 23:23.41 | nid0 | gas microturbine |
| 23:23.44 | nid0 | and earplugs. |
| 23:25.08 | ShadowJK | those RC turbines are wicked :-) |
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| 23:27.22 | ShadowJK | can spend hours watching remote controlled helicopter and jet models on youtube :-) |
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| 23:27.36 | SpeedEvil | needs to get his UAV built. |
| 23:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, easier to buy one? |
| 23:27.59 | SpeedEvil | Climb optimised thrust-vectoring helicopter with a 4Km or so ceiling in a 1Kg package. |
| 23:29.26 | fnordianslip | SpeedEvil: got a link for that? |
| 23:29.30 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, "climb optimised" its not exactly going to be submersible is it |
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| 23:29.49 | SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: no. It's not built yet. |
| 23:29.53 | lcuk | i think every helicopter can be describer as climb optimised |
| 23:29.57 | ShadowJK | thrust vectoring helicopter? wtf :) |
| 23:30.01 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: nope. |
| 23:30.02 | lcuk | otherwise, they are known by their common name |
| 23:30.03 | lcuk | fans |
| 23:30.07 | fnordianslip | ducted fan? |
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| 23:30.21 | ShadowJK | lcuk, actually helicopters are less like fans and more like rotating wings |
| 23:30.33 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: It is very inefficient at hover. - compared to a 'normal' design of helicopter. |
| 23:30.34 | lcuk | has a helicopter |
| 23:30.47 | Arif_ | doesn't |
| 23:30.48 | ShadowJK | lcuk, at their full load most helicopters would struggle to hover more than a few metres off ground :-) |
| 23:30.53 | MrGoose | lcuk: the cheepo kind? |
| 23:30.53 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: as the diameter of the rotor is perhaps a third or a quarter of what you'd want for a helicopter. |
| 23:30.56 | lcuk | i want an quadrocopter thingie |
| 23:31.22 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's designed to go up at ~15-20MPH |
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| 23:31.31 | lcuk | MrGoose, indoor model but fully controllable whatever its called |
| 23:31.36 | fnordianslip | i wrote some code that had to control some fans. one wouldn't turn off when it should. eventually i discovered that it was off, but it was air coupled to to the other one, which was spinning it round. spent ages looking for that bug ;( |
| 23:31.49 | lcuk | a twister bell |
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| 23:31.54 | ShadowJK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtsA4A0tL04 <- When you have too much cargo to climb out of ground effect vertically, this is what you have to do ;-) |
| 23:32.27 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Total power is ~800W in a 1Kg object. |
| 23:33.06 | lcuk | wants a decent hexapod too |
| 23:33.15 | lcuk | flying things break too easily |
| 23:33.21 | lcuk | especially indoors |
| 23:33.32 | lcuk | hexapod == crabby awesomeness |
| 23:33.53 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Fucking insane. |
| 23:34.31 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-5D_1US-BY |
| 23:34.34 | fnordianslip | anything would be better than this: http://www.damninteresting.com/operation-acoustic-kitty |
| 23:34.37 | ShadowJK | Ground effect gives extra lift near ground for him to tilt forward and gain speed, the extra speed gives extra lift and he can climb :) |
| 23:34.48 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - I get how it works. |
| 23:34.58 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it makes sense to do it that way. |
| 23:35.11 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: but you know the guy that worked it out got a strange look. |
| 23:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, lol, I was wondering about that too. |
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| 23:38.01 | SpeedEvil | I suppose you absolutely want lots of pressure on the nosewheel - as really, really bad things will happen if it skids. |
| 23:38.27 | SpeedEvil | So the massive tilt angle probably makes it safer as long as you keep it away from the ground. |
| 23:39.47 | pupnik_ | ever try landing a light plane in a strong crosswind? |
| 23:40.25 | SpeedEvil | Not IRL. |
| 23:40.43 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, eh dunno, in the simulator the more load I have on the front wheel the harder it's to not fall over to either side |
| 23:41.10 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: remember IRL you've got steering on the nosewheel |
| 23:41.32 | ShadowJK | I think i'd want it to caster.. |
| 23:41.56 | ShadowJK | or rather, I think I'd throw out the fattest passenger |
| 23:42.01 | SpeedEvil | I think I'd want lots of control authority in the face of gusts. |
| 23:42.16 | SpeedEvil | And the nosewheel may give that |
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| 23:44.59 | nid0 | i think i'd just take a plane. |
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| 23:46.09 | ShadowJK | bah, fixed-wing aircraft are no fun :D |
| 23:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:46.38 | thesov | hey does anyone know how to prevent gprs0 from disconnecting when switching to wlan? |
| 23:46.39 | ds3 | wingless aircraft is more interesting |
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| 23:49.57 | thesov | basically i want the data connection to always be live and i want it to just switch routes when wlan0 is engaged |
| 23:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, I think they call those rockets. |
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| 23:51.00 | ds3 | GA: I prefer the nonpowered version... say a catapult or a trebuchet ;) |
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| 23:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, trebuchets |
| 23:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | Built one once |
| 23:51.34 | ds3 | did the sherrif show up? |
| 23:52.44 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully, no. |
| 23:57.20 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Seen the Scrapheap Challenge (or "Junkyard Wars") where the farmers from Gloucester built a trebuchet to fling a Mini? |
| 23:57.29 | Jaffa | It must be on YouTube. Fantastic stuff. |
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| 23:59.20 | embedded | hi all |
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