| 00:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | w00t, he's an idiot, quite frankly. |
| 00:00.18 | w00t | *g* |
| 00:00.23 | woglinde | pupnik powervr kern in poulsbo is nearly the same as in omap3550 |
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| 00:00.39 | ptl | errr |
| 00:00.45 | w00t | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I pretty much got an immediate reaction of "and nothing of value was lost" |
| 00:00.50 | ptl | just got notice of a new maemo 5 update on my N900 |
| 00:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | w00t, it's not often that an avatar will tell you everything you need to know about a person. |
| 00:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | However, http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/918911.jpg |
| 00:01.03 | w00t | hahah. |
| 00:01.07 | ptl | but it says that to update I need to use the PC update application |
| 00:01.13 | pupnik | ohhh so poulsbo is something intel made, that might get us better / neater dsp stuff in meego woglinde ? |
| 00:01.21 | ptl | how should I update? |
| 00:01.21 | LostyJai | lardman|home: YES YES I DO!!! |
| 00:01.23 | ptl | which I don't have, I think |
| 00:01.26 | ptl | I use ubuntu linux |
| 00:01.39 | lardman|home | LostyJai: oh good, was about to hit the sack thinking you'd left |
| 00:01.41 | ptl | can someone tell me what to do? |
| 00:01.57 | LostyJai | no no i'm here |
| 00:01.57 | LostyJai | >< |
| 00:02.01 | lardman|home | :) |
| 00:02.04 | LostyJai | i'll be here for another 7 hours |
| 00:02.05 | LostyJai | =( |
| 00:02.07 | lardman|home | ok, hang on a min or two |
| 00:02.07 | LostyJai | stupid work |
| 00:02.10 | LostyJai | sure thing man |
| 00:02.14 | LostyJai | REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE IT!!!!! |
| 00:02.29 | cehteh | .. |
| 00:02.42 | range | pupnik: I thought poulsbo still needs closed drivers? |
| 00:02.44 | ShadowJK | ptl: there's probably a conflict with something you've installed from extras-devel or extras-testing |
| 00:02.54 | frals | ~curse python-dbus |
| 00:02.55 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, python-dbus ! |
| 00:03.13 | cehteh | LostyJai: i have to setup my ssh key from the device on the server to upload it |
| 00:03.20 | ptl | ShadowJK: how do I discover what? |
| 00:03.24 | LostyJai | ?? |
| 00:03.31 | LostyJai | cehteh: don't worry dude, lardman is doing it for me |
| 00:03.31 | LostyJai | thanks |
| 00:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | <3 HTML5 YouTube |
| 00:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | h.264 it may be, but it aint Flash! |
| 00:03.48 | ShadowJK | ptl: btw the flashing software for linux is available at tablets-dev.nokia.com, as well as firmware images. it's not an update anymore, it wipes / |
| 00:03.51 | LostyJai | html5 youtube? where!? |
| 00:04.00 | pupnik | range: i just heard of paulsbro for the first time right now bro |
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| 00:04.10 | Shapeshifter | "a multipart demuxer plugin is required to play this stream but not installed" :( wth |
| 00:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | LostyJai, ther's an opt-in beta. |
| 00:04.16 | cehteh | ok then is stop |
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| 00:04.21 | GeneralAntilles | LostyJai, Google should take you to the opt-in page. |
| 00:04.25 | woglinde | pupnik hm intressting |
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| 00:04.40 | ShadowJK | ptl: probably apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade in xterm would help to narrow it down. I think there's even a wiki page with instructions |
| 00:04.42 | Aranel | how much free space do I need for upgrade? |
| 00:04.56 | ptl | ShadowJK: know the URL? |
| 00:05.06 | ShadowJK | nope :( |
| 00:05.15 | ShadowJK | Aranel: someone said 45M |
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| 00:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody have any details on the new Ovi paid implementation, by the way? |
| 00:05.36 | LostyJai | thanks |
| 00:06.10 | Aranel | Thanks ShadowJK :) |
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| 00:06.57 | GeneralAntilles | Seeking on YouTube videos has never worked reliably for me until now. |
| 00:07.28 | SpeedEvil | I find my strategy of seeking to avoid works. |
| 00:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, *g* |
| 00:08.29 | wazd | seriously, no Flash pros here? :( |
| 00:08.43 | ptl | ShadowJK: no conflicts :/ |
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| 00:09.04 | ShadowJK | ptl: how much free space? df -h / |
| 00:09.58 | ptl | 40.6M on /, 1.7 G on /home, 24.1 G in /home/user/MyDocs |
| 00:10.27 | xe2000 | how can i inststall mozilla weave into microb 3.0? |
| 00:10.27 | LostyJai | so curious |
| 00:10.33 | LostyJai | how do you switch to html5 player instead of flash |
| 00:10.56 | ptl | go to youtube.com/html5 and choose html 5 |
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| 00:11.12 | SpeedEvil | Diddn't work for me |
| 00:11.18 | LostyJai | don't see the option |
| 00:11.18 | SpeedEvil | that is - it worked - but no codecs |
| 00:11.31 | cehteh | anyone found a changelog for 1.1.1? |
| 00:11.49 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, it's on the wiki, just like PR1.1 |
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| 00:11.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1 |
| 00:12.05 | cehteh | thanks |
| 00:12.17 | ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting |
| 00:12.22 | dracflamloc | what causes the rootfs to fill up |
| 00:12.40 | SpeedEvil | Logs from the front camera when you're naked. |
| 00:12.55 | ShadowJK | installing crap from extras-devel or extras-testing for example |
| 00:12.58 | SpeedEvil | More seriously - installing stuff |
| 00:13.05 | dracflamloc | ok |
| 00:13.14 | SpeedEvil | And some application problems. |
| 00:13.27 | dracflamloc | is the memory used summary accurate in the app manager? |
| 00:13.29 | ShadowJK | ptl: ioquake? |
| 00:13.57 | ShadowJK | dracflamloc: it's not helpful at all in figuring out what uses sopace on / |
| 00:14.03 | dracflamloc | ah |
| 00:14.10 | dracflamloc | so is there anything helpful there? |
| 00:14.14 | dracflamloc | im at 90% |
| 00:14.18 | dracflamloc | and it wont let me upgrade |
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| 00:14.44 | SpeedEvil | dracflamloc: what does it say? |
| 00:15.08 | dracflamloc | not enough memory in target location |
| 00:15.15 | ShadowJK | Disable extras-devel and extras-testing in app manager, they consume about 18M just to have enabled iirc |
| 00:15.57 | dracflamloc | ah |
| 00:16.10 | ptl | ShadowJK: yes, I have it installed. Should I uninstall it? |
| 00:16.23 | ptl | and thanks for the URL |
| 00:16.25 | ptl | I'll check |
| 00:16.43 | dracflamloc | how much total space is in rootfs? |
| 00:16.47 | ShadowJK | ptl: says you need to unistall it |
| 00:16.59 | ShadowJK | dracflamloc: 256M |
| 00:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | Little less |
| 00:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | Minus kernel and bootloader |
| 00:17.31 | dracflamloc | so whats a 'good' amount to have free? |
| 00:18.21 | ptl | lemme try it |
| 00:18.22 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it starts at 50M or so free |
| 00:18.31 | matthew- | any forum moderator here? |
| 00:18.47 | ShadowJK | Speedevil: nah I had almost 62M free earlier today |
| 00:18.58 | cehteh | only disabling some repos without uninstalling anything sovled it for me btw |
| 00:19.02 | matthew- | still no bloody update for people in the UK! |
| 00:19.17 | ShadowJK | Now at 57.9M free after 1.1.1 upgrade |
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| 00:19.29 | Shapeshifter | mereI: there's nothign exciting about the update |
| 00:19.37 | Shapeshifter | matthew-: ^ |
| 00:19.43 | dracflamloc | bugfixes realted to battery are always exciting ;) |
| 00:19.45 | Shapeshifter | get it tomorrow or something |
| 00:20.06 | ShadowJK | matthew-, if you asking about forum moderators and the firmware upgrade are somehow related I'll be depressed |
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| 00:20.31 | matthew- | ShadowJK: No, i want to request a change of title of my post on forum |
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| 00:20.46 | ptl | that was it, thanks, ShadowJK :) |
| 00:20.55 | adalal | hey, how do you get the new pr 1.1.1 upgrade for maemo5? |
| 00:21.01 | matthew- | ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=531063 this one, get rid of the natively. |
| 00:21.03 | adalal | i ran an update, and it didn't show up? |
| 00:21.03 | ptl | that's weird, a game encumbering an OS upgrade |
| 00:21.11 | ptl | adalal: for me it did |
| 00:21.24 | ptl | maybe you removed/disabled some repository? |
| 00:21.43 | adalal | ptl: hm, i'll have a look again :S |
| 00:21.44 | ptl | downloading 16.2 MB |
| 00:21.53 | ptl | won't even make a security backup now |
| 00:21.59 | dracflamloc | ok so looks like i have 42mb free now |
| 00:22.01 | lardman|home | night all |
| 00:22.02 | LostyJai | anyone downloaded that freeciv game? |
| 00:22.06 | ptl | because my device is brand new... and I have even customized it properly |
| 00:22.22 | ptl | *haven't |
| 00:23.09 | cehteh | you could flash the new image then instead |
| 00:23.09 | adalal | ptl: running a backup first i suppose |
| 00:23.32 | ptl | adalal: no, as it is new, I am not running a backup |
| 00:23.37 | ptl | there is no personal data yet on it |
| 00:23.39 | adalal | i suppose |
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| 00:24.30 | ptl | I really really really really really reall really like my N900. I sincerely hope meego does not screw up. It would be very easy for them to do that. |
| 00:24.37 | cehteh | mhm ...the backup app is pluginable .. someone writing a dotfile backup would get some karma |
| 00:25.11 | adalal | backup app? |
| 00:25.15 | adalal | wait... |
| 00:25.20 | adalal | what are the updates like? |
| 00:25.22 | cehteh | this buildin backup thingy |
| 00:25.44 | adalal | any changes to that? |
| 00:25.48 | ptl | updating... |
| 00:26.01 | ptl | (holding breath) |
| 00:26.06 | adalal | lol k |
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| 00:27.08 | ptl | meego is very close to portuguese 'meigo', which means something like 'gay'. People laughed hard on brazilian forums. |
| 00:27.23 | ShadowJK | cehteh: apps can ask for their dotfiles to be backed up |
| 00:27.30 | ShadowJK | few do so |
| 00:27.34 | Scelt | ptl: meego reminds me of lego |
| 00:27.37 | ptl | rebooting device |
| 00:27.46 | cehteh | ShadowJK: is that noted in some configfile? |
| 00:27.51 | ptl | (heart beating rapidly) |
| 00:27.55 | ShadowJK | dunno |
| 00:28.10 | ptl | oh, the Nokia logo startup now has a progress bar |
| 00:28.11 | ptl | nice |
| 00:28.12 | ptl | :) |
| 00:28.22 | adalal | lol |
| 00:28.28 | Scelt | for the update only I think |
| 00:28.34 | cehteh | yes |
| 00:28.36 | timeless_mbp | ptl: that's just for the flashing phase |
| 00:28.37 | ptl | although it spoils the suspense of looking at that bright blue nokia logo. |
| 00:28.49 | ptl | timeless_mbp: oh, I didn't know, I thought it was just rebooting. |
| 00:28.54 | timeless_mbp | if you used a 770 or n8x0 you'd be more familiar with it |
| 00:29.02 | timeless_mbp | there are 3 or so different band colors |
| 00:29.08 | timeless_mbp | dark blue, light blue, green |
| 00:29.18 | timeless_mbp | for the 770 iirc dark blue was the standard boot progress |
| 00:29.24 | timeless_mbp | and iirc green is generally the flashing color |
| 00:29.40 | timeless_mbp | iirc the dark blue was replaced by light blue w/ a later version |
| 00:29.49 | adalal | where are the backupfiles located on the n900? |
| 00:29.54 | ptl | rebooting now |
| 00:30.00 | ptl | rebooted already??? |
| 00:30.09 | timeless_mbp | adalal: either in ~/MyDocs or /media/mmc* |
| 00:30.11 | cehteh | adalal: in MyDocs or on the microsd |
| 00:30.13 | adalal | thank |
| 00:30.22 | ptl | that was blazingly fast |
| 00:30.23 | ptl | 'operating system updated successfully' |
| 00:30.25 | ptl | cool |
| 00:30.42 | ptl | calms down |
| 00:32.16 | tgalal__ | Anybody knows how to deal with EBookQuery objects??? |
| 00:32.19 | cehteh | the 'cam can only write to FAT' isnt fixed .. doh |
| 00:32.41 | timeless_mbp | cehteh: i'm not quite sure why you'd expect it to be fixed quickly |
| 00:32.48 | timeless_mbp | especially not in a *MINOR* release |
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| 00:33.01 | timeless_mbp | isn't even sure if there's an entire team left |
| 00:33.03 | cehteh | i just have hopes |
| 00:33.21 | cehteh | timeless_mbp: duh |
| 00:33.21 | timeless_mbp | and why would you expect it to be a top priority when it's absolutely clear that it's entirely unsupported |
| 00:33.31 | timeless_mbp | often hates end users |
| 00:34.43 | cehteh | hopes to get rid of fat someday |
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| 00:37.17 | adalal | i dont get it, how come mine keeps saying (no updates available)? i have the nokia system software updates repository enabled :S |
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| 00:38.02 | Aranel | ShadowJK: I have 45megs free now still cant upgrade :/ |
| 00:38.08 | ptl | why is Microsoft even trying to do something with windows mobile 7? It's already over for them. |
| 00:38.18 | GAN900 | Aranel, because it says not enough space? |
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| 00:38.24 | GAN900 | did it with 40MB |
| 00:38.30 | woglinde | ptl they have the money |
| 00:38.35 | ptl | it does not get close to android, maemo/meego, iPhoneOS |
| 00:38.40 | glass | ptl: a company like microsoft would probably run a mobile os department just for the heck of it |
| 00:38.49 | ptl | woglinde: sometimes it is not enough |
| 00:38.52 | timeless_mbp | ptl: err |
| 00:38.59 | ptl | glass: that is the most probable reason, I think |
| 00:39.01 | timeless_mbp | Nokia is busy trying to run two competing mobile platforms |
| 00:39.02 | adalal | is confused as to why I can't upgrade to the new PR |
| 00:39.06 | timeless_mbp | both which are reinventing themselves |
| 00:39.08 | Aranel | GAN900: It says I should use my PC instead. |
| 00:39.12 | timeless_mbp | intel is trying to do one |
| 00:39.16 | timeless_mbp | google is trying to do one |
| 00:39.21 | timeless_mbp | apple is trying to do one |
| 00:39.29 | timeless_mbp | why *shouldn't* microsoft try to do one? |
| 00:39.30 | vmlemon_ | Palm, Samsung too |
| 00:39.41 | timeless_mbp | at least, afaik microsoft isn't trying to do *two* anymore |
| 00:39.44 | vmlemon_ | Not forgetting RIM... |
| 00:39.44 | timeless_mbp | hopes wince is dead |
| 00:39.46 | ptl | timeless_mbp: because they're too far behind |
| 00:39.48 | woglinde | qualcom too |
| 00:39.55 | timeless_mbp | ptl: very funny |
| 00:39.57 | glass | timeless_mbp: well, dunno how you count zune |
| 00:39.59 | woglinde | limo too |
| 00:40.02 | timeless_mbp | symbian is frozen and incredibly behind |
| 00:40.10 | vmlemon_ | I can't see BREW lasting much longer |
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| 00:40.16 | timeless_mbp | glass: sorry. you're right, at least they're only trying to do 2, instead of 3 :) |
| 00:40.20 | woglinde | vmlemon *g* |
| 00:41.11 | LostyJai | date selection in maemo5, possible to show the week day? |
| 00:41.14 | cehteh | timeless: well no comment about samsung |
| 00:41.22 | glass | hehe |
| 00:41.23 | glass | samsung |
| 00:41.23 | LostyJai | ie: mon, tue, wed, thur, fri, sat, sun |
| 00:41.25 | matthew- | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=530957 |
| 00:41.25 | cehteh | .. bebe baba bada? |
| 00:41.27 | matthew- | Voila ! |
| 00:41.31 | glass | samsung does everything |
| 00:41.32 | vmlemon_ | Just need HTC or LG to make a splash with a "We're going to make our own platform, and keep it all to ourselves" announcement |
| 00:41.33 | glass | they're whores |
| 00:41.34 | timeless_mbp | cehteh: an exhaustive list of mobile platforms is a waste of time :) |
| 00:41.41 | timeless_mbp | but the point is that it's definitely an open area |
| 00:41.45 | glass | thats their problem too, they do everything |
| 00:41.49 | timeless_mbp | and if you have money to burn, why not? |
| 00:41.54 | timeless_mbp | ms has money to burn |
| 00:41.57 | cehteh | bada was its name or? it sux balls imo |
| 00:42.01 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, yeah, that's not a space issue. |
| 00:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, there's a package conflict.p |
| 00:42.22 | glass | cehteh: and if you use a few samsung mobiles from past years it's quite obvious they got too many teams |
| 00:42.31 | vmlemon_ | ponders the fate of the various platforms based upon Nucleus and numerous other RTOSes |
| 00:42.32 | glass | even in non-smartphone |
| 00:42.44 | cehteh | i dint even looked at them |
| 00:43.08 | matthew- | wazd: can you fix my post pls? |
| 00:43.10 | Aranel | GeneralAntilles: :/ do you have any idea how can I locate the faulty package? |
| 00:43.22 | cehteh | and i buyed a n900 because its open and free software (mosty) not because i am nokia fanboy |
| 00:43.28 | vmlemon_ | Sure, it's not a smartphone platform, but I hear that the S40 folks aren't doing too well, what with talks of Nokia laying developers off... |
| 00:43.29 | wazd | matthew-: where? |
| 00:43.40 | matthew- | wazd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=530957 |
| 00:43.41 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, check the log from the menu. |
| 00:43.44 | matthew- | Subject |
| 00:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, failing that apt-get may tell you. |
| 00:43.47 | glass | vmlemon_: well how many guys does s40 team really need? |
| 00:43.55 | matthew- | remobe the nativaly please. |
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| 00:44.21 | glass | vmlemon_: s40 team is doing brilliantly in sold phone numbers though |
| 00:44.23 | vmlemon_ | It's been said that Nokia could still make a nice profit if they never added new features to S40, and just kept repackaging the hardware |
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| 00:44.27 | vmlemon_ | Indeed |
| 00:44.41 | glass | vmlemon_: well check out nokias average device price |
| 00:44.49 | wazd | matthew-: no, sorry, I'm design only moderator |
| 00:45.13 | GeneralAntilles | matthew-, you can edit your own posts. |
| 00:45.13 | vmlemon_ | Still, they're slowly adding bits and pieces on, and they renovated the Web browser recently |
| 00:45.25 | glass | yeh |
| 00:45.33 | glass | it's the j2me vm i'd like to see some changes to in s40 |
| 00:45.46 | matthew- | GeneralAntilles: I cant .. :) |
| 00:46.01 | matthew- | GeneralAntilles: I cant moderate the title of the hread. |
| 00:46.03 | matthew- | thread* |
| 00:46.14 | vmlemon_ | Would be interesting to see Nokia deciding to "pull a Bada", and open the platform to native code, but I can never see that happening |
| 00:46.19 | Aranel | GeneralAntilles: log shows nothing. I dont know how to check it via apt. |
| 00:46.37 | ptl | this ICA client on N900 is wonderful |
| 00:46.41 | ptl | if I only could use it. |
| 00:46.45 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 00:46.46 | ptl | at my job the wireless is LEAP |
| 00:46.50 | ptl | so i can't. |
| 00:46.50 | vmlemon_ | It'd probably cannibalise their other platforms, too |
| 00:46.52 | timeless_mbp | LEAP? |
| 00:46.55 | matthew- | ptl: :( Sorry |
| 00:46.57 | glass | vmlemon_: i foresee symbian hitting sub 100$'s |
| 00:46.58 | ptl | WPA2 with LEAP |
| 00:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, apt-get dist-upgrade from console as root and copy the output to a pastebin. |
| 00:47.09 | ptl | Cisco proprietary EAP extension, timeless_mbp |
| 00:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, but don't run it yet. |
| 00:47.11 | matthew- | ptl: I only need it for running bloomberg ;d |
| 00:47.14 | timeless_mbp | yum |
| 00:47.14 | vmlemon_ | Cisco-proprietary Wi-Fi security protocol |
| 00:47.37 | ptl | matthew-: I need that for my job too... |
| 00:47.38 | tgalal__ | wth is EBookQuery useful for?! |
| 00:47.44 | matthew- | ptl: bloomberg?:) |
| 00:47.52 | ptl | ICA Client |
| 00:47.54 | matthew- | ah |
| 00:47.56 | matthew- | ok. |
| 00:47.59 | ptl | I don't even know what bloomberg is |
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| 00:48.08 | vmlemon_ | News and financial agency |
| 00:48.08 | timeless_mbp | bloomberg = business news |
| 00:48.10 | matthew- | ptl: well the ICA Client does work. |
| 00:48.17 | matthew- | yeah, stock quotes |
| 00:48.20 | matthew- | company info etc.. |
| 00:48.22 | matthew- | awesome thing. |
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| 00:50.42 | Aranel | GeneralAntilles: http://pastebin.com/d42cdabfb |
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| 00:51.24 | Aranel | GeneralAntilles: seems like its related with decoders pack? |
| 00:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, weird. OK, apt-get remove decoders-support |
| 00:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | Or, actually, you can remove it from h-a-m too |
| 00:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | Then you should be able to upgrade without issue. |
| 00:51.49 | ptl | adalal: got your update yet? |
| 00:52.49 | SWFu64 | Still no update in the UK here |
| 00:53.00 | matthew- | ptl: I didnt in the uk |
| 00:53.00 | matthew- | ;] |
| 00:53.06 | matthew- | pretty annoying |
| 00:53.10 | SpeedEvil | None here - UK |
| 00:53.24 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it took a couple od days last time |
| 00:53.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure UK falls behind most of Asian for support. |
| 00:53.32 | SpeedEvil | so friday? |
| 00:53.39 | GeneralAntilles | s/Asian/Asia/ |
| 00:53.42 | wazd | wee, I've found Flash Guru :) |
| 00:53.42 | matthew- | SpeedEvil: no no, it was same day last time. |
| 00:53.45 | SWFu64 | The last update I got pretty fast |
| 00:53.48 | SpeedEvil | Assuming same rollout schedule |
| 00:53.48 | wazd | Beware! |
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| 00:53.57 | SpeedEvil | Maybe I upgraded late |
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| 00:55.00 | Aranel | GeneralAntilles: removed, now trying again :) thanks |
| 00:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, I dunno how we managed to regress in the area of h-a-m error reporting. . . . |
| 00:56.20 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did you see the ham button dance? |
| 00:56.32 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, not as far as I'm aware. |
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| 00:56.38 | ptl | I am in Brazil and I got the update |
| 00:56.49 | Aranel | GeneralAntilles: still does not install. |
| 00:56.55 | ptl | and N900 isn't even sold in Brazil |
| 00:56.56 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, same reason? |
| 00:57.56 | Aranel | GeneralAntilles: keeps asking for PC flashing instead. tried dist-up again and: 37 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 00:58.09 | ptl | Aranel: removed ioquake3? |
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| 00:58.23 | cibi | 043f04400438043204350442 043204410435043c |
| 00:58.25 | GeneralAntilles | Um, well, if you can symlink the apt cache then you can just use apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade. |
| 00:58.26 | cibi | 043a0442043e 04420430 044204430442 043504410442044c ? |
| 00:58.32 | cibi | Hello ?> |
| 00:58.39 | cibi | hi all ?> |
| 00:58.46 | ptl | lots of control characters in cibi lines |
| 00:58.53 | ptl | can't see any color or something |
| 00:58.58 | Aranel | ptf: nope, ill try now :) |
| 00:58.58 | cibi | no |
| 00:59.06 | cibi | ss |
| 00:59.15 | cibi | Can you help me ? |
| 00:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, if ioquake3 doesn't help, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5746 for details on symlinking. |
| 00:59.32 | povbot` | Bug 5746: symlink /var/cache/apt/archives to /home/apt-archives |
| 00:59.36 | cibi | is it only ENGLISH ? |
| 00:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | cibi, yes. |
| 01:00.22 | cibi | im first time her |
| 01:00.31 | cibi | what this room about ?> Infromatik ? |
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| 01:01.38 | cibi | <GeneralAntilles> |
| 01:01.40 | SpeedEvil | cibi: A phone OS. |
| 01:01.47 | cibi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.50 | cibi | pardone ? |
| 01:01.57 | Aranel | ok. thanks :) I hate this rootfs space problems, arent they considered as bugs? |
| 01:02.11 | SpeedEvil | cibi: A mobile phone operating system. |
| 01:02.18 | cibi | ohh thx |
| 01:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, PR1.2 should be optifying a lot of built-in stuff. |
| 01:02.27 | cibi | but how can i go other room to Computers ?> |
| 01:02.33 | cibi | <SpeedEvil> |
| 01:02.47 | cibi | computer help like this |
| 01:03.22 | wiretapped | cibi: how did you get here? |
| 01:03.30 | Aranel | ^^ now I'm more interested about next PR |
| 01:03.35 | Aranel | :) |
| 01:03.36 | cibi | i dont know lol |
| 01:03.47 | Lumpio- | Caution: this is the internet |
| 01:03.50 | wiretapped | is there a changelog for today's update? |
| 01:04.01 | cibi | i need help eh |
| 01:04.06 | Lumpio- | You may be charged for long distance |
| 01:04.09 | cibi | im from Portugal but im Russian lol |
| 01:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, wiki, same as PR1.1 |
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| 01:05.56 | Aranel | GeneralAntilles and ptf: after removing ioquake, now it seems its OK. I don't have any idea why a game cause a firmware update fail, anyway if it works its OK :) |
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| 01:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, PR1.1.1 adds GLES 1.1 |
| 01:06.20 | ptl | ptf? |
| 01:06.23 | ptl | lol |
| 01:06.26 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, which may cause weirdness with ioquake3's packaging |
| 01:06.39 | ptl | Aranel: that was my doubt too, it's weird :) |
| 01:07.08 | Aranel | ptl* :P sorry. xchat on N900 sometimes gets uncomfortable. |
| 01:07.27 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, you can add tab. |
| 01:08.08 | Aranel | how? theres no HW button |
| 01:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | Aranel, see the comments on http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2009/12/17/remapping-the-n900-arrow-keys/ |
| 01:09.04 | ptl | wow, you really love your N900 |
| 01:09.19 | ptl | I used that blog post to add accents to my N900 |
| 01:09.27 | ptl | I'm thinking about adding ce-cedilla now |
| 01:09.35 | Aranel | thanks again :) I'll work on it after PR update. |
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| 01:11.35 | djdm | is xchatting on his N900 too |
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| 01:22.18 | zelrikriando | hello |
| 01:22.18 | adalal | anybody know why an n900 wouldn't update to 1.1.1? |
| 01:22.24 | adalal | hello |
| 01:22.49 | GeneralAntilles | adalal, remove ioquake3? |
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| 01:24.08 | adalal | GeneralAntilles: i doubt i've ever installed that, and even then, the update isn't showing up |
| 01:24.16 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: do we have a list of things known to cause conflicts? |
| 01:24.23 | timeless_mbp | it should be on a wiki |
| 01:24.30 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I think there's a list for PR1.1 |
| 01:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno how much applies to PR1.1.1 |
| 01:24.41 | GeneralAntilles | adalal, UK? |
| 01:24.43 | adalal | yes |
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| 01:24.51 | timeless_mbp | UK is "special" |
| 01:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | adalal, then the waiting game is what you're playing |
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| 01:25.00 | timeless_mbp | people shouldn't use the UK image |
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| 01:25.05 | timeless_mbp | it's designed to give them pain |
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| 01:25.06 | adalal | GeneralAntilles: how come there's a waiting game? |
| 01:25.08 | GeneralAntilles | For some reason Nokia UK is really far behind anywhere else. |
| 01:25.17 | timeless_mbp | just backup everything and reflash w/ the normal universal build |
| 01:25.53 | adalal | reflash my device? |
| 01:25.53 | timeless_mbp | s/backup/back up/ |
| 01:25.55 | adalal | hmm |
| 01:26.04 | adalal | what are the difference? |
| 01:26.07 | timeless_mbp | adalal: afaik there is *no* reason to use the uk version |
| 01:26.23 | timeless_mbp | sadly, i have no idea what's different about the uk version |
| 01:26.28 | timeless_mbp | other than it's "special" |
| 01:26.43 | zelrikriando | is it easy to stop processes with maemo? |
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| 01:27.01 | adalal | zelrikriando: using pkill yes |
| 01:27.03 | adalal | or killall |
| 01:27.04 | timeless_mbp | zelrikriando: eh? |
| 01:27.17 | timeless_mbp | someone even wrote a graphical task manager |
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| 01:27.21 | timeless_mbp | it was moderately shiny |
| 01:27.26 | timeless_mbp | isn't sure where they put it |
| 01:27.45 | zelrikriando | I am asking because I am having difficulties with Android |
| 01:27.55 | zelrikriando | so I was wondering if maemo was better :p |
| 01:28.07 | timeless_mbp | zelrikriando: w/ maemo there are only two reasons not to kill things |
| 01:28.20 | timeless_mbp | 1. if they're stuck in a kernel lock (eNotOurFault) |
| 01:28.42 | timeless_mbp | 2. if there's a lifeguard applied and you kill it enough times in a short enough period, the lifeguard will reboot your device |
| 01:29.12 | zelrikriando | ok |
| 01:29.31 | zelrikriando | sounds like the same deal as android |
| 01:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | Stopping processes is as simple as "stop <process>" as root. |
| 01:30.07 | adalal | mm, are there any risks of permanently bricking the device? |
| 01:30.22 | zelrikriando | no |
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| 01:30.37 | timeless_mbp | zelrikriando: triggering the lifeguard takes a lot of effort |
| 01:30.45 | zelrikriando | but if for instance I disable google talk, the app market doesnt work anymore |
| 01:30.47 | timeless_mbp | and the kernel issue applies to any platform |
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| 01:30.54 | timeless_mbp | bsd, winnt, linux |
| 01:31.21 | GeneralAntilles | zelrikriando, yeah, no, there's no silly Nokia services integration shit like that. |
| 01:31.30 | zelrikriando | ok |
| 01:31.46 | zelrikriando | That s good news |
| 01:32.03 | zelrikriando | Android has been pissing me off lately |
| 01:32.15 | zelrikriando | I think I ll try another kind of phone next |
| 01:32.33 | vmlemon_ | Android sucks, full stop. At least of the analysis at http://dw2blog.com/2010/02/10/the-mobile-multitasking-advantage/ is anything to go by... |
| 01:33.45 | brady47 | well, the ovi store doesn't work in the first place so you don't have to worry about messing it up killing processes :) |
| 01:33.47 | zelrikriando | Well I am in favor of multitasking though |
| 01:33.58 | zelrikriando | brady47: lol |
| 01:34.30 | zelrikriando | What I am not in favor is mandatory updates that unroot my phone Oo |
| 01:34.50 | GeneralAntilles | zelrikriando, no worries there. |
| 01:34.51 | zelrikriando | and almost bricks it on the way |
| 01:35.00 | vmlemon_ | Was amusing to hear that Microsoft finally hobbled their OS as far as multitasking is concerned. I always thought that would be a signature feature for them... |
| 01:35.14 | brady47 | yeah, I saw some blog post Jobs is now blocking hackers from itunes store ! |
| 01:35.20 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: does N900 work on Rogers? |
| 01:35.29 | zelrikriando | Oh Rogers |
| 01:35.33 | zelrikriando | those ***** |
| 01:35.43 | zelrikriando | All the pain I have is because of them I am sure |
| 01:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, think so, but don't think there's any carrier in Canada that uses the right 3G frequencies. |
| 01:35.57 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: ... so no |
| 01:36.07 | luke-jr | how could it work if they don't use the right frequencies? |
| 01:36.10 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: i should know in july :) |
| 01:36.21 | brady47 | no 3g, just gsm |
| 01:36.29 | brady47 | just gprs |
| 01:36.30 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, WCDMA is usually different from GSM. |
| 01:36.38 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: Rogers recently shoved an "update" to their Android users that prevents rooting them |
| 01:36.41 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, so it'll work for voice and EDGE, but not HSPA. |
| 01:36.51 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: nice of them |
| 01:37.00 | zelrikriando | luke-jr: I am a victim too |
| 01:37.05 | ptl | I am switching m operator because of that too |
| 01:37.07 | luke-jr | don't think anything stops them from doing the same to Maemo/N900 |
| 01:37.09 | ptl | *my |
| 01:37.10 | chaoyi | anyone has used dbus-send on N900? I am new to dbus and couldn't figure out what I did wrong. |
| 01:37.10 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: who cares? |
| 01:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, um, does Rogers sell the N900? |
| 01:37.22 | timeless_mbp | last i checked, roger's data plans were not particularly friendly |
| 01:37.30 | zelrikriando | There is no such thing as switching operator in Canada |
| 01:37.33 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: doesn't matter; they locked all phones, not just ones they subsidized |
| 01:37.34 | timeless_mbp | chaoyi: did you --print-reply? |
| 01:37.36 | zelrikriando | They are all partners |
| 01:37.44 | wazd | damn, it's so uncomfortable to watch olimpics in here :( |
| 01:37.49 | chaoyi | timeless_mbp http://pastebin.com/m7cfcf472 |
| 01:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, um, how does that work? |
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| 01:38.26 | chaoyi | timeless_mbp: i looked at the documentation at http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/bluez/network-api.txt |
| 01:38.38 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, if you bring your own SIm and get your updates from Nokia, where does Rogers come into the picture? |
| 01:38.44 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: they blocked them from using the network unless you applied it |
| 01:39.03 | luke-jr | at least, that's my understanding of it |
| 01:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, yeah, FUD. |
| 01:39.14 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, what you're claiming is possible makes no sense. |
| 01:39.20 | luke-jr | sure it does |
| 01:39.23 | zelrikriando | Well that s what they did to android at least |
| 01:39.30 | zelrikriando | not sure they can do the same to maemo |
| 01:39.46 | ptl | now meego |
| 01:39.47 | luke-jr | if your phone doesn't send some packet within a minute, it can boot you; then have the magic packet sent by a known-locked firmware |
| 01:39.59 | ptl | does maemo changing to meego makes it more probably that they do that? |
| 01:40.12 | luke-jr | zelrikriando: I don't see what would stop them |
| 01:40.17 | zelrikriando | luke-jr: I think they can only do that to the phones they sell |
| 01:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | ptl, no. |
| 01:40.36 | zelrikriando | If you bring your own phone, they have no right on it |
| 01:40.42 | SpeedEvil | zelrikriando: they can choose to do it to any phone, if they choose to, and the regulator will let them. |
| 01:40.47 | luke-jr | zelrikriando: no right to, but when has that ever stopped a company? |
| 01:40.57 | SpeedEvil | zelrikriando: unless they are under some obligation to provide internet access. |
| 01:41.02 | SpeedEvil | < |
| 01:41.20 | zelrikriando | SpeedEvil: that s what is pissing me off |
| 01:41.23 | zerojay | luke-jr: I have used my N900 for months on Rogers... so what are you talking about? |
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| 01:41.40 | zelrikriando | They are all 'regulated' |
| 01:41.42 | luke-jr | zerojay: I'm talking about theory. |
| 01:41.55 | zerojay | I'm just catching up on the conversation. |
| 01:41.59 | zelrikriando | basically a monopoly |
| 01:42.24 | luke-jr | zerojay: in theory, CompanyX could require you to install a package that locks you out of root, and rosegarden you until you do |
| 01:42.42 | zelrikriando | luke-jr: that is if you sign their EULA |
| 01:43.01 | zerojay | luke-jr: How did Rogers lock all phones, not just those they subsidized? |
| 01:43.13 | luke-jr | zerojay: something like that, I think |
| 01:43.17 | zerojay | luke-jr: They don't. |
| 01:43.45 | zerojay | My cell phone gaming company has had about 400 different phones from all over the world on 4 different sim cards over 3 years. They don't care. |
| 01:44.16 | zerojay | Lots of fun paying over $4000 in data charges. |
| 01:44.22 | zerojay | Per month. |
| 01:44.43 | woglinde | good nite |
| 01:45.15 | zelrikriando | zerojay: I am pretty sure they can unroot a phone that s rooted though |
| 01:45.34 | zelrikriando | they did that to all their HTC Magic customers |
| 01:45.46 | zerojay | zelrikriando: Unrooted them remotely? |
| 01:45.53 | zelrikriando | zerojay: not remotely |
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| 01:45.57 | zelrikriando | but enforcing a patch |
| 01:46.10 | zelrikriando | by disabling the 3G |
| 01:46.10 | zerojay | I don't see the problem there. |
| 01:46.29 | zelrikriando | zerojay: " You apply patch or no more connexion for you" |
| 01:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | zelrikriando, to people who bought them subsidized? |
| 01:46.58 | zelrikriando | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
| 01:47.00 | zerojay | Again, I don't see the problem with that as long as you're using their service with their terms and their subsidized phones. |
| 01:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | zelrikriando, sounds like their own damn fault, then. |
| 01:47.14 | luke-jr | zelrikriando: people who bought them non-subsidized were immune? |
| 01:47.37 | zelrikriando | zerojay: That's the reason I am looking for unlocked phones that are no subsidized :) |
| 01:47.38 | zerojay | Nothing stopping Rogers from saying it's a security fix, because technically, it is. |
| 01:47.58 | zelrikriando | luke-jr: I dont know about that |
| 01:48.06 | zerojay | And since it's their own phone... I don't see the issue. |
| 01:48.22 | zelrikriando | I think they ll have more trouble for an unsubsidized phone |
| 01:48.32 | zelrikriando | because they cant say it s their software |
| 01:48.48 | luke-jr | they can't say it's theirs even for a subsidized phone AFAIK |
| 01:48.50 | zerojay | It's still their network. |
| 01:49.03 | luke-jr | they sold it to you at a lower price in exchange for a service contract |
| 01:49.04 | ml-mobile | mmm, customer abuse |
| 01:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, and special vendor software. |
| 01:49.17 | luke-jr | you're obliged to keep service with them, but AFAIK you still own it |
| 01:49.38 | zelrikriando | I dont think it s Android the issue |
| 01:49.47 | zelrikriando | the Nexus One is rooted by default |
| 01:49.53 | zelrikriando | you can unlock it in the bootloader |
| 01:49.54 | luke-jr | forcing a patch by denying service arguably lets you terminate the contract w/o fines, assuming they didn't include it originally |
| 01:50.34 | zerojay | All i know is that I walked directly downstairs from my work office in Quebec to Rogers, told the guy there straight out that I was going to be using an unlocked Nokia prototype and the dude didn't blink once and never said there was any issues. |
| 01:50.54 | luke-jr | zerojay: that matters how? XD |
| 01:51.07 | zelrikriando | zerojay: I tend to agree with you. I think luke-jr is generalizing :p |
| 01:51.15 | luke-jr | customer-facing people tend to not have any authority |
| 01:51.32 | zerojay | It matters quite a bit when you're saying what you are. |
| 01:52.05 | zerojay | Rogers did fuck me over though. |
| 01:52.42 | zerojay | They had a promo for their rocketstick for 2 years and I decided to grab it and suddenly saw that my account online was saying that the contract was for 3 years, not 2. |
| 01:53.11 | zelrikriando | well if you sign for 2 years you can show them the freaking contract |
| 01:53.19 | luke-jr | concurs |
| 01:53.21 | zerojay | I called them up and the people that I talked to all said "wow, that's really weird... and that shouldn't be right, but we can't do anything about it if you signed it." |
| 01:53.23 | zelrikriando | if you sign on paper that is |
| 01:53.35 | go1dfish | how much space do I have to free on / to do this new update? |
| 01:53.57 | luke-jr | thinks it's ridiculous how people just give in to companies that abuse them |
| 01:54.06 | zelrikriando | Next time, I ll just crossed out what I dont like in the EULA |
| 01:54.16 | zelrikriando | if I have to sign an EULA again that is |
| 01:54.22 | AlMehdi | do they enforce the patch on all the phones? |
| 01:54.24 | zerojay | My copy of the contract said 2 years, Rogers claimed theirs says 3. |
| 01:54.39 | luke-jr | zerojay: you have your copy? |
| 01:54.47 | ml-mobile | goldfish: ~16MB, you can disable the extras repos temporarily for easy space |
| 01:55.06 | zerojay | Guy at the local Rogers store said that even if I get stuck with 3 years, I should at least complain so that I GET something for that extra year in some way. |
| 01:55.18 | zerojay | luke-jr: Yeah, I do. |
| 01:55.27 | go1dfish | ml-mobile: hmm I have like 30 free and it's saying I don't have enough mem in target location |
| 01:55.27 | zerojay | Apparently doesn't matter. |
| 01:55.33 | luke-jr | zerojay: then ignore them and threaten to sue for harassment if they don't stfu? |
| 01:55.46 | zerojay | luke-jr: How are they harassing me? |
| 01:55.56 | luke-jr | zerojay: if they don't harrass you, then what's the problem? :p |
| 01:56.09 | zelrikriando | lol what |
| 01:56.25 | zelrikriando | my boss was so smart |
| 01:56.31 | zelrikriando | he bought an ipod touch |
| 01:56.36 | zelrikriando | and jailbroke it |
| 01:56.39 | zelrikriando | and that was it |
| 01:56.41 | zerojay | Sounds dumb to me. |
| 01:56.42 | luke-jr | just call them up sometime around 2 years and tell them you won't be renewing your subscription |
| 01:56.45 | zelrikriando | no phone plan |
| 01:56.47 | zelrikriando | :D |
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| 01:56.58 | luke-jr | zelrikriando: ... why? |
| 01:57.15 | zerojay | zelrikriando: So... he's.. enjoying being useless when mobile? |
| 01:57.21 | ml-mobile | ipod touches don't have phone plan... |
| 01:57.36 | zerojay | ml-mobile: Yes, we know. |
| 01:57.58 | luke-jr | can't think of anything he could possibly do with an iPod Touch |
| 01:58.02 | zelrikriando | zerojay: he just picks whatever wifi he can get |
| 01:58.13 | go1dfish | ml-mobile: disabling extras seemed to do the trick though, thanks much |
| 01:58.14 | zerojay | zelrikriando: Wow.... that's terrible. |
| 01:58.15 | zelrikriando | zerojay: I think he doesnt like phones in general though |
| 01:58.47 | zerojay | I don't in general either. |
| 01:58.51 | luke-jr | me either |
| 01:58.53 | luke-jr | lol |
| 01:59.13 | zerojay | I hated phones with a passion and then I started making games for them and hearing alarms going off all day long. |
| 02:00.17 | zelrikriando | I am not sure what my next phone will be |
| 02:00.22 | luke-jr | I used to use a calling card with some VoIP toy that could make free 800 # calls <.< |
| 02:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | tries to decide what to eat for second dinner. |
| 02:00.29 | luke-jr | for my home phone |
| 02:00.30 | zelrikriando | but I hope I can get a good unlocked phone in Canada |
| 02:00.43 | luke-jr | zelrikriando: Nexus Two with 100% custom firmware? |
| 02:01.05 | zelrikriando | not sure about Google |
| 02:01.12 | GeneralAntilles | N900! |
| 02:01.23 | zelrikriando | They broke my heart |
| 02:01.24 | zelrikriando | lol |
| 02:01.44 | zelrikriando | GeneralAntilles: a new phone might come up before I change my phone |
| 02:01.49 | luke-jr | doesn't care about the company, just hardware |
| 02:02.18 | zelrikriando | I ll keep what I have until my contract almost expire |
| 02:02.26 | zelrikriando | or until Rogers pisses me off enough |
| 02:03.01 | go1dfish | is there a changelog for this firmware anywhere yet? |
| 02:03.15 | GeneralAntilles | go1dfish, on the wiki, like the last one. |
| 02:03.19 | zerojay | go1dfish: Get on TMO. It's all there. |
| 02:03.23 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1 |
| 02:03.27 | *** mode/#maemo [+o GeneralAntilles] by ChanServ |
| 02:03.50 | go1dfish | thanks |
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| 02:03.52 | zerojay | Isn't Bell supposed to be setting up the right 3g frequencies supported by the N900 soon? |
| 02:03.55 | *** mode/#maemo [-o GeneralAntilles] by GeneralAntilles |
| 02:04.20 | go1dfish | yeah I was looking on TMO, but all I was seeing was the 800 post long 'announcement' that it existed |
| 02:04.23 | pupnik_ | http://www.cyber1.org/ <<< we totally need this awesomeness for maemo :) first multiuser graphical computer system |
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| 02:14.42 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: I'm online, have the day off work (our floor is flooded) |
| 02:14.50 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: I'll take it from here |
| 02:16.07 | lpotter | yay! for floods! |
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| 02:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, take what? :P |
| 02:16.21 | crashanddie_ | the channel |
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| 02:18.49 | zerojay | lol |
| 02:19.05 | crashanddie_ | zerojay: shush, it's mine |
| 02:19.29 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay is just laughing because he's rigged it to blow! |
| 02:19.31 | GeneralAntilles | runs! |
| 02:19.54 | crashanddie_ | puts on his fart-brigade uniform |
| 02:20.01 | crashanddie_ | Don't you dare blow on me, son! |
| 02:21.22 | lpotter | dont worry. it wont blow, there's too much water apparently |
| 02:21.25 | matthew- | any football fan? |
| 02:21.32 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: you? |
| 02:21.38 | matthew- | crashanddie_: any other one? |
| 02:22.01 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: I'm sure there's a lot of football fans, maybe just not here? |
| 02:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm a Bucs fan. |
| 02:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | grins. |
| 02:22.31 | ml-mobile | handegg |
| 02:22.33 | lpotter | i find australian rules amusing |
| 02:22.46 | crashanddie_ | ~ml-mobile++ |
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| 02:24.01 | crashanddie_ | KamuiN900: I'm afraid you're going to have to leave |
| 02:24.10 | crashanddie_ | KamuiN900: N900 devices are no longer tolerated in this channel |
| 02:24.26 | crashanddie_ | KamuiN900: Only MeeGo-software is now authorised to join this channel |
| 02:24.38 | KamuiN900 | !!!!!!! :) |
| 02:24.46 | KamuiN900 | crashanddie_: its too soon for that |
| 02:24.53 | KamuiN900 | you are hurting my feelings |
| 02:25.00 | matthew- | ;)*Tatyana*: says: (02:24:18) |
| 02:25.00 | matthew- | as i said, i do make me laugh |
| 02:25.02 | matthew- | uh |
| 02:25.03 | matthew- | not this |
| 02:25.05 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGHLUc7ZmAs |
| 02:25.06 | matthew- | this |
| 02:25.07 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, so, /mode +b #maemo *!*@* ? |
| 02:25.08 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 02:25.17 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: nope |
| 02:25.19 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie_] by ChanServ |
| 02:25.20 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: no wait |
| 02:25.27 | luke-jr | I am using MeeGo on EFIKA |
| 02:25.28 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 02:25.33 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*n900*@*] by crashanddie_ |
| 02:25.37 | crashanddie_ | there you go :) |
| 02:25.56 | kamui900 | :-D |
| 02:25.59 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*n900*@*] by crashanddie_ |
| 02:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | Evil, evil. |
| 02:26.03 | luke-jr | shouldn't that be *!user@* ? |
| 02:26.06 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie_] by ChanServ |
| 02:26.15 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: it was on purpose |
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| 02:26.25 | kamui900 | you guys are taking the meego news so well |
| 02:26.36 | kamui900 | im still on the verge of tear |
| 02:26.43 | kamui900 | s |
| 02:26.50 | luke-jr | kamui900: in my case, I never liked Maemo |
| 02:26.51 | crashanddie_ | kamui900: I had a hard time with it at first, but once Quim explained a few things it soon was a lot better |
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| 02:27.07 | luke-jr | if I was angry, it would be because I thought Nokia was trying to shed the bad reputation Maemo has |
| 02:27.22 | luke-jr | but that would be naive since nobody actually gives Maemo the bad reputation it deserves :P |
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| 02:34.18 | kamui900 | how many firmware releases for the n900 have there been |
| 02:34.23 | kamui900 | 2? |
| 02:34.26 | kamui900 | or 3 |
| 02:34.48 | crashanddie_ | Depends if you count pre-prod devices or not |
| 02:34.55 | crashanddie_ | but public? 2 |
| 02:35.00 | crashanddie_ | or 3 |
| 02:35.02 | crashanddie_ | can't remember |
| 02:35.13 | crashanddie_ | facepalms about his uselessness |
| 02:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | 42-11, 51-1, 3-8 |
| 02:35.48 | crashanddie_ | are those football scores? |
| 02:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | I can't name the Diablo release numbers anymore, however. |
| 02:36.08 | crashanddie_ | or very, very long and weirdly counted tennis games? |
| 02:36.08 | kamui900 | thanks ga. is 3-8 not ota able? |
| 02:36.11 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, could be. |
| 02:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | kamui900, where are you located. |
| 02:36.26 | kamui900 | us of a |
| 02:36.36 | GeneralAntilles | kamui900, should be, I did mine a few hours ago. |
| 02:36.58 | kamui900 | hmm didnt show in my updates list |
| 02:37.05 | kamui900 | ill keep trying |
| 02:37.37 | crashanddie_ | I killed my microusb charger |
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| 02:37.55 | crashanddie_ | Need to charge through USB... |
| 02:38.07 | GeneralAntilles | Fail |
| 02:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | kamui900, if that fails, might try an apt-get install mp-fremantle-gener-pr. |
| 02:38.49 | kamui900 | found it :) |
| 02:38.57 | crashanddie_ | http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/2/633692057194761860-handegg.jpg |
| 02:40.06 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, hey, it aint playing around. You don't see soccer players retiring with dementia. :P |
| 02:40.34 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: dementia is caused by the ridiculous amounts of steroids they pour in their SuckaFlakes |
| 02:40.55 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: Rugby is ten times the game American Football will ever be |
| 02:41.09 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, if your theory were correct, then MLB players would be getting it, too. |
| 02:41.11 | crashanddie_ | and what the fuck, iPhoto launches when I plugin my n900? |
| 02:41.21 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: MLB? |
| 02:41.21 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, you can turn that off in settings. |
| 02:41.41 | GeneralAntilles | baseball |
| 02:42.31 | crashanddie_ | Listen, the world had very good sports to begin with |
| 02:42.33 | crashanddie_ | Football (or Soccer), Criquet, and Rugby |
| 02:42.44 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, I didn't grow up on any of those. |
| 02:42.55 | crashanddie_ | you idiots came around and just threw Football out of the window, and modified Rugby to Football, and Criquet to Baseball |
| 02:44.10 | crashanddie_ | Baseball is criquet without the rebound on the ground, no that would be too complicated, no little wood chips behind the batter, because that's too hard to aim at, you make the bat round, because it's a lot easier to hit, and you make the ball bigger because it's a lot easier to see |
| 02:44.34 | crashanddie_ | oh, and you get those big fail gloves to protect your petite prestine hands |
| 02:45.30 | crashanddie_ | Same with rugby, you sew them until they bloody armoured tanks. I mean, why the hell did you even bother sending mechs during 2nd world war, you should've just sent football players |
| 02:45.45 | crashanddie_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | I see I've touched a nerve. :D |
| 02:49.14 | crashanddie_ | "All pretence has been abandonned, as both teams take to the field, naked, covered in lubricant to the sound of pounding techno" |
| 02:50.19 | crashanddie_ | And that is exactly what American Football is: a travesty of sport, created for keeping the idle masses contempt and braindead |
| 02:51.00 | kamui | anyone know how to force apt to install a package that has unmet deps? |
| 02:51.05 | kamui | specifically I want maemo-optify |
| 02:51.14 | kamui | it needs a different version of perl than is installed |
| 02:51.20 | kamui | but I suspect the actual version here doesn't matter |
| 02:51.22 | ptl | apt-get --force-all |
| 02:51.24 | ptl | apt-get --force-all install package |
| 02:51.25 | kamui | suite |
| 02:51.28 | ptl | oh |
| 02:51.29 | ptl | no |
| 02:51.34 | ptl | it's dpkg --force-all |
| 02:51.38 | ptl | you have to do the following: |
| 02:51.42 | ptl | apt-get download package |
| 02:51.45 | ptl | then |
| 02:51.46 | kamui | crap, I see |
| 02:51.49 | ptl | go to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:51.49 | kamui | then dpkg to install it |
| 02:51.52 | ptl | then dpkg --force-all |
| 02:51.54 | ptl | yes |
| 02:52.37 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: I'm pretty sure these days we could have a guy being broadcast on every channel, wearing green trousers and a yellow shirt, just shaking a keyring in front of the camera, going "look at the shiny shiny", and people would just go "Oh look `$country has talent` is on, let's get some crisps, NOM NOM NOM" |
| 02:52.45 | ptl | but in these cases I get a recipe where, if I am sure about the safety of the operation, I can open a deb package, change its dependencies, and repackage it |
| 02:52.50 | ptl | it's just a couple commands, want it? |
| 02:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, nobody eats crisps in the US. |
| 02:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | GTFO. |
| 02:53.17 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: I didn't say US, I said $country you $count |
| 02:53.30 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:53.56 | crashanddie_ | anyway, time for cigarette and food, talk later |
| 02:54.22 | ds3 | should be times for a 'f*g' and food? ;) |
| 02:54.42 | ds3 | afterall, weren't we going for localization of english? |
| 02:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, he's been really hung up on the homosexual stuff lately. |
| 02:54.56 | ds3 | :D |
| 02:55.43 | ds3 | oh I see Ogg is STILL not supported out of the box |
| 02:56.11 | GeneralAntilles | It should be in Harmattan |
| 02:56.22 | GeneralAntilles | and adding support is as simple as installing one package from Extras, so, meh. |
| 02:56.35 | ds3 | and that works seemlessly now? |
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| 02:56.57 | ds3 | same can be said of that on the N800 but that doesn't quite work with the internal media player |
| 02:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, CPU usage is a bit high as of yet, but otherwise, yes. |
| 02:57.09 | ds3 | oh nice |
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| 02:58.00 | ds3 | is the N900 setup so that "nokia" or its approved proxies can shove updates down your unit w/o you knowing? |
| 02:58.15 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 02:58.27 | kejen_ | hi, does anyone here know if it is possible to connect to jabber chats via conversations? |
| 02:58.37 | GeneralAntilles | At least, no on any unlocked unit |
| 02:58.40 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno about the locked ones |
| 02:58.45 | kejen_ | i can do it with pidgin, but can't figure it out with conversations |
| 02:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | But, then, who cares about those? :P |
| 02:58.58 | ds3 | for the US, there aren't any locked units available (yet?) |
| 02:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | kejen_, add the account and connect? |
| 02:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, no, only one I know of is from Vodafone. |
| 02:59.19 | kamui | kejen, probably have to install the conversations plugins pack |
| 02:59.26 | kamui | to get jabber working |
| 02:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, Jabber is supported out of the box. |
| 02:59.42 | ds3 | same with AIM? |
| 02:59.43 | kejen_ | i can get on jabber, but cant join a chat root |
| 02:59.45 | kejen_ | room |
| 02:59.46 | kamui | GeneralAntilles, probably right |
| 02:59.55 | kamui | definately right in fact |
| 02:59.59 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, no, but Telepathy Extras are in Extras and work fine. |
| 03:00.17 | kamui | kejen: there's a convo rooms plugin, never tried it though |
| 03:00.27 | ds3 | so other then full size SD slots and USB host, what else do I lose coming from the N800 then? |
| 03:00.36 | kamui | I believe it allows for group chats and jabber chat rooms |
| 03:00.39 | kejen_ | i did install the .8 plugins with hopes |
| 03:00.40 | ds3 | it sounds like all the software issues are addressable with extras |
| 03:00.50 | kejen_ | ahh, will check out the rooms plugin |
| 03:00.51 | kejen_ | thanks |
| 03:00.54 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, a hardware escape key and fullscreen key. |
| 03:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, for the most part. |
| 03:01.14 | ds3 | hw escape key? |
| 03:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | The one under the dpad |
| 03:01.25 | ds3 | I can do w/o the fullscreen key |
| 03:01.26 | GeneralAntilles | The back one is just escape |
| 03:01.33 | ds3 | oh the twisted arrow thingie |
| 03:01.53 | ptl | btw |
| 03:01.58 | ds3 | so much for running vi on a terminal there then :D |
| 03:02.11 | ptl | are the keys like the power button and volume button recognisable as 'keys' under X too? |
| 03:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, there's a soft escape on the terminal toolbar |
| 03:02.25 | ptl | are they remappable? |
| 03:02.27 | ptl | the buttons off the keyboard |
| 03:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, and you can bind it to something on the keyboard if you want. |
| 03:02.37 | GeneralAntilles | ptl, yes, yes. |
| 03:02.40 | ds3 | so it is not fatal |
| 03:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, host is really the only fatal thing. |
| 03:02.55 | ds3 | and the LCD is the N810 one (transreflective, works in the Sun)? |
| 03:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's a new one |
| 03:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | Sony |
| 03:03.11 | GeneralAntilles | 3.5" |
| 03:03.12 | GeneralAntilles | Transflective |
| 03:03.16 | luke-jr | ds3: N900 display is significantly smaller |
| 03:03.24 | ds3 | smaller? eek |
| 03:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, didn't realize you missed that one. |
| 03:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, 3.5" vs 4.1" |
| 03:03.38 | ds3 | 800x480 on the N800 is small enough |
| 03:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | You don't really notice it, though. |
| 03:03.46 | GeneralAntilles | At least, I don't. |
| 03:03.48 | ds3 | I assumed it was basically the N810 case/LCD |
| 03:03.49 | luke-jr | would |
| 03:04.08 | ds3 | I use it as a GPS and @#%@$$%$@# OSM maps seems to come out with the tiny font |
| 03:04.25 | luke-jr | wtf? I thought N800 didn't have GPS |
| 03:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, build a headmount. :P |
| 03:04.33 | ds3 | I use a BT GPS |
| 03:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth |
| 03:04.37 | luke-jr | o |
| 03:04.54 | ds3 | headmount? composite output? |
| 03:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | Oooh |
| 03:05.07 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: if he built a headmount, he wouldn't need something handheld |
| 03:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | Build a HUD projector |
| 03:05.24 | luke-jr | could stick a BB or EMX in a jacket |
| 03:05.29 | ds3 | I made my own car mount for the 800 already |
| 03:05.31 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, I'm mostly thinking of something that holds the N900 in front of your face. |
| 03:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | I was being facetious. |
| 03:05.41 | luke-jr | i c |
| 03:05.43 | ds3 | oh :P |
| 03:05.51 | GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, composite output is there. |
| 03:06.13 | luke-jr | do current-gen TVs support composite anymore? O.o |
| 03:06.18 | ds3 | it sounds like it is worth it but the tiny gotchas :( |
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| 03:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, yes. |
| 03:06.22 | crashanddie_ | you would need special glasses or a lens to allow your eyes to focus |
| 03:06.26 | crashanddie_ | in order to have it close to your face |
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| 03:06.39 | sheepbat | aren't HUDs made with that in mind? |
| 03:06.40 | luke-jr | ds3: no USB host, also |
| 03:06.53 | luke-jr | sheepbat: [21:05:31] <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, I'm mostly thinking of something that holds the N900 in front of your face. |
| 03:06.58 | sheepbat | oh |
| 03:07.03 | ds3 | luke-jr: yeah, that is pretty high on my gotchas list |
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| 03:07.22 | ds3 | but prehaps, I'll just make a little USB server with a BT interface :D |
| 03:07.28 | luke-jr | lol |
| 03:07.38 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, I wonder how many of those you could sell. |
| 03:07.42 | ds3 | I just need to be able to read a USB stick ocassionally |
| 03:07.43 | luke-jr | ds3: personally, I'm waiting for a next-gen device like Nexus Two or such |
| 03:07.50 | ds3 | GA: you think someone is actually interested in that? |
| 03:07.57 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, I dunno. |
| 03:07.58 | luke-jr | ds3: I think it would be a hot item |
| 03:08.04 | luke-jr | lots of people seem to miss USB host |
| 03:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | I bet there's be a couple hundred people who might buy if the price were right. |
| 03:08.12 | sheepbat | anyone with a smartphone with a tiny keyboard would want one |
| 03:08.19 | ds3 | luke-jr: I have limited time... the N800 is wearing out (it is a daily use device) |
| 03:08.21 | sheepbat | well.. not anyone |
| 03:08.23 | GeneralAntilles | It'd probably have to be less than $50. |
| 03:08.32 | sheepbat | but people who would want to type on them using a fullsize keyboard |
| 03:08.40 | luke-jr | ds3: ah; SmartQ 5 perhaps? |
| 03:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, just get it from somewhere with a reasonable return policy. |
| 03:08.57 | ds3 | I can do $50 but that would only work with USB sticks |
| 03:09.01 | ds3 | USB memory |
| 03:09.02 | luke-jr | sheepbat: Bluetooth keyboards exist |
| 03:09.18 | ds3 | GA: I donno about that...that's a $150 premium |
| 03:09.24 | sheepbat | ..good point |
| 03:09.25 | kejen_ | I been meaning to ask, what is the point of that "mac os" folder with 0 length binary files in it? |
| 03:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, well, if you get interested in the manufacturing, talk to jolouis. |
| 03:09.52 | ds3 | Dell seems to be the cheapests and I don't think they do returns (unless I am wrong) |
| 03:09.56 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, he did the USB OTG adaptors for the N800/N810. |
| 03:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, hrm, good point. |
| 03:10.17 | ds3 | GA: I can do the manufacturing... I am manufacturing the LCD interfaces for the BB already |
| 03:10.24 | GeneralAntilles | They should do returns, but I'm not sure if they have a restocking fee. |
| 03:10.33 | luke-jr | ds3: O.O |
| 03:10.37 | sheepbat | ahh, my screen protector is here |
| 03:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, no, sorry, I know you can do it, but he's somebody who has experience with the market and might have some useful insights. ;) |
| 03:11.14 | ds3 | it is either a stopgap buy a new battery for the N800 and hope the Treo tethering don't die or hold my nose and jump into the N900 |
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| 03:11.29 | ds3 | GA: gotcha |
| 03:13.13 | ds3 | Hmmm for USB memory sticks, $50 should be doable |
| 03:13.31 | ds3 | but a BB based solution is more fun ;) |
| 03:13.37 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:13.41 | GeneralAntilles | That's so excessive. |
| 03:14.03 | ds3 | it is no worse then the C64 days when the diskdrives had faster CPUs ;) |
| 03:14.46 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad Bluetooth has no bandwidth |
| 03:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | Else you could do some other fun stuff with a setup like that. |
| 03:14.56 | kamui | *groan* |
| 03:15.00 | ds3 | such as? |
| 03:15.04 | kamui | I hate having to reflash for such a minor firmware upgrade |
| 03:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | Video out and such |
| 03:15.12 | kamui | 12 meg free on root |
| 03:15.24 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, remove your stuff from Extras-devel. |
| 03:15.25 | ds3 | Oh... even WiFi would not go too well with that |
| 03:15.30 | GeneralAntilles | Indeed |
| 03:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad we don't have USB host |
| 03:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, wait. ;) |
| 03:15.57 | ds3 | looking at the junk pile... a PXA270 might be a reasonable compromise |
| 03:16.51 | ds3 | ouch, maybe not from a $$ prospective |
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| 03:31.07 | ptl | no quit |
| 03:31.11 | ptl | I am staying! |
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| 03:35.15 | kamui | GeneralAntilles, im trying something drastic |
| 03:35.19 | kamui | removing nokia maps :) |
| 03:35.27 | kamui | its not like ovi maps is useful anyway |
| 03:35.40 | kamui | just eating up a lot of a space it seems on /usr/share |
| 03:35.47 | kamui | didn't look deep to make sure most of its not already relinked |
| 03:35.55 | kamui | cause that would just stink like a silent dog fart |
| 03:37.56 | ptl | what would you use instead of ovi maps? |
| 03:38.42 | SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/407/ |
| 03:38.50 | kamui | right now, probably just navit |
| 03:38.58 | kamui | though Im reallynot using the N900 for navigation at all |
| 03:39.08 | SpeedEvil | I coded that using espeak - though I mislaid it when flashing |
| 03:39.17 | kamui | espeak rocks |
| 03:39.20 | g0tcha | navit is free? hehe |
| 03:39.35 | kamui | well, if its not, that would be news to me |
| 03:39.37 | ptl | yes |
| 03:39.39 | ptl | it is |
| 03:39.52 | kamui | getting your maps isn't really all that fun |
| 03:40.02 | kamui | but once thats done it works pretty well |
| 03:40.08 | g0tcha | really? can navigate for free using navit? |
| 03:40.14 | ptl | what did you code using espeak, SpeedEvil? |
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| 03:40.49 | kamui | I really hope that somewhere in this merge of moblin and maemo they do something about ovi craps |
| 03:41.26 | SpeedEvil | ptl: the xkcd gps |
| 03:42.31 | ali1234 | http://blog.xkcd.com/2008/05/20/gps-cyborg-implant/ |
| 03:42.41 | kamui | anyone see any reason I can't or shouldn't use dist-upgrade to install the new firmware? |
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| 03:43.57 | ali1234 | kamui: i tried it once. didn't end well |
| 03:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, depends on if anything is being removed. |
| 03:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, it's also a good idea to symlink the apt cache to someplace with some space. |
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| 03:45.05 | kamui | GeneralAntilles, thats usually my first article of business |
| 03:45.24 | kamui | GeneralAntilles, the first reboot after the distupgrade resulted in a never before seen white nokia screen with blue status bar, and a reboot |
| 03:45.32 | kamui | looks like it booted up fine into my desktop |
| 03:45.37 | andrewfblack | hello |
| 03:45.39 | kamui | keeping fingers crossed that I dont have to reflash |
| 03:47.12 | pupnik_ | here's an idea. an os that can rollback after an update and failed reboot. |
| 03:47.18 | pupnik_ | hurrr durrr |
| 03:47.26 | ptl | your question could be put that way: what application manager does that differ from apt-get? |
| 03:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, doable. |
| 03:47.55 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, but doing the backup would be rather time consuming |
| 03:48.01 | ptl | pupnik_: I've tried to advance rollbacks on the debian lists for many years now. Even rpm had this feature for a few minor releases, then they pulled it back |
| 03:48.06 | GeneralAntilles | ptl, a few. |
| 03:49.03 | kamui | epic failure |
| 03:49.04 | ptl | it's 'doable', in the way that it can be somewhat easily be put to work, but to harden and foolproof this is really difficult |
| 03:49.15 | kamui | I still show my version as 2.2009.51.1 002 |
| 03:49.17 | kamui | :( |
| 03:49.27 | ptl | lemme check my version |
| 03:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, check the version on apt. |
| 03:49.35 | ptl | I upgraded via the app manager |
| 03:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, sometimes that field doesn't update properly. |
| 03:49.42 | pupnik_ | ptl, i wasn't seriously suggesting it was an original idea :) can you point to any googleable stuff on implementation? |
| 03:50.03 | kamui | apt 0.7.20.2maemo13 for armel compiled on Jan 13 2010 16:46:05 |
| 03:50.05 | andrewfblack | wonders if nokia will keep maemo.org for n8x0 users? |
| 03:50.08 | ptl | version: 3.2010.02-8.002 |
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| 03:50.45 | kamui | GeneralAntilles, what version do you have? I saw apt get upgraded in the dist upgrade |
| 03:50.52 | kamui | so I wonder if everything is mostyl fine |
| 03:50.54 | kamui | this is going to bug me though :) |
| 03:51.57 | ptl | pupnik_: http://lists.rpm.org/pipermail/rpm-list/2009-April/000226.html http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7034 |
| 03:52.15 | andrewfblack | hey GeneralAntilles guess this is end of our nokia sponsored community outreach we had been working on> |
| 03:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo5.0_update3_vs_maemo5.0_update4_content_changes.html |
| 03:52.21 | GeneralAntilles | That took forever to find |
| 03:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, why? |
| 03:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | kamui, I don't think Nokia has any plans to change the budget. |
| 03:53.19 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: just figured don't know though |
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| 03:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | Er, s/kamui/andrewfblack/ |
| 03:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, qgil seems to say not. |
| 03:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, I guess we'll just have to change out branding. |
| 03:54.05 | ptl | pupnik_: If the change to rpm really sticks on meego, maybe we can re-use the rollback feature |
| 03:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | s/out/our |
| 03:54.19 | crashanddie_ | anyone using twitter here? |
| 03:54.39 | pupnik_ | that might be a nice help. |
| 03:54.43 | crashanddie_ | or more specifically: anyone know the twitter API? |
| 03:54.47 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: I didn't know if qgil had said anything about the community outreach group after meego announcement |
| 03:55.10 | andrewfblack | crashanddie_: I use twitter but thats it lol |
| 03:55.18 | crashanddie_ | ok, just explain some lingo |
| 03:55.19 | pupnik_ | now how about something more radical. a parallel flash that can track changes to filesystem and rollback when the device fails to boot at all |
| 03:55.22 | crashanddie_ | what is a "direct message" |
| 03:55.26 | ptl | is there a new maemo 5 sdk? |
| 03:55.36 | ptl | crashanddie_: D user message on twitter. |
| 03:55.37 | crashanddie_ | andrewfblack: are those the ones that start with @user bla bla bla? |
| 03:55.41 | ptl | it's like a pvt on IRC |
| 03:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, budget shouldn't be changing. |
| 03:55.49 | ptl | only the user gets that |
| 03:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, so seems like the outreach is still viable. |
| 03:56.10 | crashanddie_ | ptl: ok, how do I get messages that have been sent to me? |
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| 03:56.20 | andrewfblack | crashanddie_: I think so |
| 03:56.30 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: ok |
| 03:57.00 | pupnik_ | i think 'rollback' might have helped me on one or two maemo packages in the past 3 years |
| 03:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, I'm not sure if I want to do it anymore if I'm going to be running a MeeGo table, though. <_< |
| 03:57.24 | pupnik_ | but screwing up the device to non-bootable has happened a lot more |
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| 03:57.57 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: Your not getting out of community spirit are you? |
| 03:58.09 | pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles IS the community spirit |
| 03:58.14 | pupnik_ | :P |
| 03:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, no, I'd just be embarrassed to sit behind a "MeeGo" table all day. :P |
| 03:58.47 | pupnik_ | to some uncertain degree of precision |
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| 03:59.11 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: lol |
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| 04:02.25 | ptl | crashanddie_: there's a long time I don't access twitter, but I think there's a side panel where you can read private messages |
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| 04:02.50 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: even for a fine meal like you had last time? |
| 04:02.53 | crashanddie_ | ptl: I'm not on the website, just using the API |
| 04:03.19 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, mmm . . . ham on white |
| 04:03.41 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: it was free lol |
| 04:03.59 | sheepbat | hmm.. the N900 won't charge with just half an amp, will it |
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| 04:05.20 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: I found out SELF is going to be 3 days this year |
| 04:05.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yerg |
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| 04:05.49 | Wild_Doogy | sheepbat: Via usb you mean? it does for me, unless I am really using it |
| 04:05.57 | Wild_Doogy | LOL |
| 04:06.02 | sheepbat | yeah, via USB |
| 04:06.17 | Wild_Doogy | my N900's notification light JUST TURNED GREEN |
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| 04:06.24 | Wild_Doogy | like as I was typing!!!! |
| 04:06.29 | sheepbat | hahaha |
| 04:06.32 | Wild_Doogy | yeah |
| 04:06.42 | sheepbat | or.. |
| 04:06.44 | sheepbat | <grumble> |
| 04:06.45 | Wild_Doogy | Ironic much? |
| 04:06.48 | sheepbat | yes |
| 04:06.50 | sheepbat | that was perfect |
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| 04:09.11 | Wild_Doogy | sheepbat: do you have batery-eye? |
| 04:09.19 | Wild_Doogy | battery-eye |
| 04:09.49 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 04:09.50 | sheepbat | hrm |
| 04:09.58 | sheepbat | I seem to have.. done something to it |
| 04:10.06 | Wild_Doogy | really? |
| 04:10.08 | andrewfblack | wonders if I should keep working on themes or wait to see what Meego UI will be |
| 04:10.09 | sheepbat | overall, not just battery-eye... |
| 04:10.18 | sheepbat | the launcher isn't working |
| 04:10.23 | sheepbat | I just installed the latest flasher kernel |
| 04:10.40 | sheepbat | everything else works though |
| 04:10.41 | Wild_Doogy | I have battery info im my conky now, after some scripting |
| 04:11.01 | Wild_Doogy | I cant get the latest Maemo update, as I have no SIM card |
| 04:11.31 | kejen_ | you can borrow mine |
| 04:11.32 | kejen_ | :) |
| 04:11.56 | kejen_ | just buy a $10 prepay one or something |
| 04:11.57 | Wild_Doogy | Fax it to me :-D |
| 04:11.58 | kamui | wow |
| 04:12.03 | Wild_Doogy | lol |
| 04:12.04 | kamui | stellarium seems to work |
| 04:12.06 | kamui | a little slow |
| 04:12.08 | Wild_Doogy | yeah, I am going to |
| 04:12.08 | kamui | but still |
| 04:12.10 | kamui | working! |
| 04:12.11 | Wild_Doogy | some time... |
| 04:12.29 | Wild_Doogy | I wonder if I can compile Blender to work on my N900 |
| 04:12.41 | kamui | already done Wild_Doogy |
| 04:12.47 | kamui | I have a optimized build |
| 04:12.49 | kamui | still not really useable |
| 04:13.00 | Wild_Doogy | and Ironic, again, my latest Blender SVN just finished (2 minutes ago) |
| 04:13.01 | kamui | im writing a opengl to gles wrapper to further the project |
| 04:13.10 | Wild_Doogy | really? |
| 04:13.12 | kamui | blender 2.5alpha |
| 04:13.15 | kamui | look at my youtube video |
| 04:13.17 | sheepbat | would you happen to know the command that launches the app manager? |
| 04:13.21 | kamui | should give you a good feel for performance |
| 04:13.23 | sheepbat | or the package name of the kernel? |
| 04:13.26 | sheepbat | oh, I think I found it |
| 04:13.30 | Wild_Doogy | thanks |
| 04:14.37 | kamui | I have the proejcrt on garage |
| 04:14.57 | kamui | as soon as I get a chance to package up the binaries, Ill put the current working build up |
| 04:15.12 | kamui | lag time is about 1.5 - 2 seconds due to the overhead of full software opengl rendering |
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| 04:17.13 | Wild_Doogy | well, remember, its running on a phone >_> |
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| 04:17.27 | Wild_Doogy | oh, it is unfair to cal lthe N900 a phone, but still |
| 04:19.05 | sheepbat | ultraphone? |
| 04:19.54 | itdocks | its a phone sized computer with a phone app |
| 04:20.08 | sheepbat | and a GSM modem |
| 04:20.09 | Wild_Doogy | yeah |
| 04:20.24 | sheepbat | it's a MID with phone-like attributes |
| 04:20.24 | Wild_Doogy | and GPS, and an accelerometer |
| 04:20.32 | sheepbat | like how I'm a bat with sheep-like attributes |
| 04:20.40 | kamui | Wild_Doogy, this isn't new territory |
| 04:20.53 | kamui | I only did it because pocketblender on the windows mobile platofrm works very very well |
| 04:21.19 | kamui | and the author wrote a small opengl-gles wrapper software only that substantially improved its responsiveness |
| 04:22.29 | Wild_Doogy | I am just still amazed at how amazing my N900 is. |
| 04:22.37 | ptl | I just installed navit on n900 |
| 04:22.42 | ptl | I can't operate it |
| 04:22.44 | kamui | yea, N900 is so awesome |
| 04:22.52 | ptl | does anyone have any experience with it? |
| 04:22.54 | kamui | pray for meego |
| 04:22.59 | kamui | pray for it not to destroy the N900's future |
| 04:23.09 | Wild_Doogy | the only trouble, and I am sure you all agree is the battery capacity. |
| 04:23.14 | ptl | praying does not help |
| 04:23.17 | itdocks | i have 4 batteries |
| 04:23.24 | itdocks | haha |
| 04:23.26 | Wild_Doogy | yeah, thats my plan too |
| 04:23.26 | ptl | try bitching on the forums |
| 04:23.29 | ptl | but it alliviates the frustration |
| 04:23.29 | sheepbat | and the tiny NAND flash |
| 04:23.31 | ptl | it also does not help |
| 04:23.33 | ptl | *alleviates |
| 04:23.56 | Wild_Doogy | I havent worked it hard enough to need more NAND, but the day is coming |
| 04:24.17 | itdocks | root fs is somewhat small |
| 04:24.19 | itdocks | 256 megs |
| 04:24.30 | Wild_Doogy | itdocks: how do you charge the 3 that are not in the phone? |
| 04:24.37 | itdocks | accessory charger |
| 04:24.44 | itdocks | find 'em on ebay hehe |
| 04:25.32 | ptl | what's a "NAND" flash? is it the RAM of the device? |
| 04:25.41 | Wild_Doogy | I was just going to do some fancy wiring >_> (after research of course, not silly enough to just cross the leads on a lithium ion battery.) |
| 04:25.52 | itdocks | good way to set things on fire |
| 04:25.54 | itdocks | :P |
| 04:26.00 | GeneralAntilles | ptl, rootfs. |
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| 04:26.10 | Wild_Doogy | 3000 degrees. yes |
| 04:26.26 | ptl | GeneralAntilles: oh. ok |
| 04:28.13 | Wild_Doogy | does anyone know how to get conky 1.7.2 on my N900? |
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| 04:30.54 | Wild_Doogy | Get the arm dev, and hunt the needed packeges? |
| 04:31.00 | itdocks | Wild_Doogy: http://cgi.ebay.com/Wall-Charger-For-Nokia-Nokia-5800-5800XM-BL-5J-Battery_W0QQitemZ320483261019QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item4a9e4a7a5b |
| 04:31.09 | itdocks | i have 2 of 'em they work great |
| 04:31.17 | itdocks | won't charge fully charged batteries either, so it's safe |
| 04:31.18 | Wild_Doogy | sweet, thanks |
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| 04:31.46 | Wild_Doogy | 6 bucks freeshipping? |
| 04:31.49 | Wild_Doogy | nice! |
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| 04:38.46 | pupnik_ | that is cheap |
| 04:39.22 | itdocks | yeah well worth it |
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| 04:43.55 | crashanddie_ | lol... |
| 04:44.08 | crashanddie_ | I just gave iTunes a big folder with songs to import from the N900 |
| 04:44.24 | crashanddie_ | within 20 seconds it found "desktop.ini" and died |
| 04:44.49 | itdocks | heh |
| 04:46.17 | Wild_Doogy | hahaha |
| 04:47.31 | Wild_Doogy | now a linux program would output to the terminal something like "unknown file "desktop.ini" error 3 unknown format. .........Skipped" |
| 04:47.41 | Wild_Doogy | and be fine........ |
| 04:48.46 | crashanddie_ | Wild_Doogy: no, it wouldn't you idiot |
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| 04:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | hands crashanddie_ some chocolate. |
| 04:49.42 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 04:49.43 | Wild_Doogy | And why not? :-) thats a perfectly plausible error output |
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| 04:50.01 | crashanddie_ | Wild_Doogy: don't think that Linux applications are more stable because they run on LInux |
| 04:50.27 | ali1234 | that's pretty much what my rhythmbox does |
| 04:50.27 | ali1234 | if you import an unknown filetype it bugs you about it every time you load up rhythmbox. "do you want to try to download a codec to play foo.jpg?" |
| 04:50.31 | jX | anyone gotten fMMS to receive MMSs on AT&T? |
| 04:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | jX, yes. |
| 04:50.53 | crashanddie_ | Wild_Doogy: an app is only as good as the coder who writes it -- and sadly, the quality standard that Linux is used to is a far cry from polished apps that come with a commercial OS |
| 04:51.08 | Wild_Doogy | agreed, but that want my point. Linux apps are (IMHO) more adaptable, and less apt to crash |
| 04:51.24 | jX | Gen: Great, tips on settings? I can't get it to work, and someone just sent me an MMS. :) |
| 04:51.29 | crashanddie_ | Wild_Doogy: I remember the day that Gimp crashed when you tried to open .RAW -- it knew it was an image, so tried to open it with whatever codec was available, which didn't go far |
| 04:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | jX, connected to data? |
| 04:51.58 | crashanddie_ | Wild_Doogy: then your opinion is biased and childish |
| 04:52.10 | Wild_Doogy | well I actualy havent used gimp in a while, but point taken |
| 04:52.17 | jX | gen: Are you asking if I am on wifi or have a usable data connection via edge? Then yes |
| 04:52.30 | jX | (both, on wifi at home, have data too) |
| 04:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta be connected to EDGE |
| 04:52.33 | jX | ahh |
| 04:52.36 | jX | lemme turn off the wifi |
| 04:52.48 | crashanddie_ | Wild_Doogy: granted, it was ten years ago -- and I'm pretty sure the iTunes crash was caused by other things as well. That being said, I just found it funny that it crashed, I wasn't intending on beginning any kind of bashing |
| 04:53.04 | Wild_Doogy | I should have said, "in my experience" but yes, my opinion is not that weighted. |
| 04:53.23 | jX | gen: And how should the number be formatted, +1ACNUM, 1ACNUM or jsut ACNUM? |
| 04:53.47 | pwnguin | ooh wesnoth |
| 04:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | +1 |
| 04:54.24 | jX | failed. :( |
| 04:54.31 | pwnguin | .....228MB =( |
| 04:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | jX, maybe check your settings against those in the wiki. |
| 04:55.04 | jX | what am I doing wrong... yeah, lemme look at that again. |
| 04:55.45 | jX | the only options I see I can set are the MMSC, resize image, and my phone number. my APN choices are only AT&T Internet or T Mobile Internet |
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| 04:56.11 | jX | I assume teh APN is right since I can get connectivity with other apps |
| 04:56.17 | Wild_Doogy | crash: I found it funny as well, and I having a debate is fine, as long as it is done with the brain. :-) |
| 04:56.29 | GeneralAntilles | jX, check the APN settings. |
| 04:56.49 | jX | I haven't a clue where to find those in Maemo 5. |
| 04:56.57 | jX | ahh |
| 04:57.41 | jX | AHA! |
| 04:57.43 | jX | i BET THIS IS IT |
| 04:57.46 | Wild_Doogy | about the question I had earlier, does anyone know how to get the newest conky on the N900? |
| 04:57.46 | jX | sry caps |
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| 05:00.32 | ali1234 | jX: do you have MMS enabled with your provider? it has to be enabled separately from IP, at least in the UK |
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| 05:01.10 | jX_ | [00:00] <jX> hmm, is there a way to create a new GPRS connection? |
| 05:01.10 | jX_ | [00:00] <jX> I can only seem to create new wifi connections |
| 05:01.20 | GeneralAntilles | fAPN |
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| 05:01.27 | jX_ | pardon? |
| 05:01.35 | GeneralAntilles | The application |
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| 05:01.49 | jX | oh |
| 05:01.49 | jX | ok |
| 05:01.52 | jX | lemme grab that |
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| 05:02.56 | |R | what's up with "Raw bird power" being on the ovi store? (I can't see it :P) |
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| 05:07.41 | jX | hrm |
| 05:11.37 | |R | http://twitter.com/WeAreMaemo/status/7752738918 <- ?? |
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| 05:13.35 | jX | jeezalou... |
| 05:15.23 | jX | GAH. What the hell am I doing wrong? |
| 05:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | Why is it that Ovi reviews are NEVER in English? |
| 05:16.36 | jX | omg it works |
| 05:16.40 | jX | GeneralAntilles++ |
| 05:20.23 | Wild_Doogy | Hey chaps, here is a great project / app that I am working on: I help manage a church tower clock. As it is winter here in Vermont, the clock has been running inaccurately as the pendulum changes length. Using the Mic on my N900 I am able to messure the period by recording the clicking of the main escapement. |
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| 05:22.58 | jebba | heh. cool. |
| 05:24.45 | Wild_Doogy | yeah, the mic's resolution isn't that great, if its off by one sample, then thats 27 seconds in a week |
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| 05:25.32 | Wild_Doogy | but..... if you do 10 clicks then you have 2.7, and then average it out..... |
| 05:30.23 | pwnguin | you know, these phones also have the internet and nts |
| 05:31.29 | Wild_Doogy | nts? |
| 05:31.36 | pwnguin | hmm |
| 05:31.37 | pwnguin | ntp |
| 05:31.40 | pwnguin | network time protocol |
| 05:32.04 | Wild_Doogy | yes, mine seems to update its time |
| 05:32.24 | pwnguin | the cell provider also provides time |
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| 05:33.05 | Wild_Doogy | and GPS provides time |
| 05:33.05 | Wild_Doogy | so yeah, covered in all respects |
| 05:33.30 | pwnguin | seems a hell of a lot easier than measuring pendulm swings |
| 05:34.06 | Wild_Doogy | the trouble with the clock isnt setting the time, thats easy, its ajustingthe speed |
| 05:34.18 | jebba | http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Technology/pdf/Nokia_software_strategy_white_paper.pdf |
| 05:34.26 | Wild_Doogy | which wanders nastily lol |
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| 06:14.50 | Wild_Doogy | Someone posted a link to a n900 battery charger. |
| 06:14.50 | Wild_Doogy | Here is a link to a charger + battery for $10 with free shipping. though you guys might like it |
| 06:14.50 | Wild_Doogy | http://cgi.ebay.com/Charger-BL-5J-Battery-Screen-Protector-For-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ280466191775QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item414d16759f |
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| 06:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | I love how they reused the Maemo architecture diagram put subbed in MeeGo. |
| 06:19.19 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 06:19.20 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo |
| 06:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | cries. |
| 06:20.25 | RST38h | Yea, that was cute |
| 06:20.40 | RST38h | But the presentation in general is nothing new, unfortunately |
| 06:24.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's so depressingly stupid |
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| 06:31.24 | rmt | Any idea on the status of the post-n900 ? |
| 06:31.57 | slonopotamus | one new device, running only one maemo version :) |
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| 06:32.22 | slonopotamus | okay, maybe two devices. |
| 06:32.42 | rmt | Maybe only a minor update .. improved battery life a feature? |
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| 06:38.02 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: ping |
| 06:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | pong |
| 06:38.44 | crashanddie_ | I think I've found the anthem for MeeGo |
| 06:39.00 | tybollt | o_O |
| 06:39.45 | crashanddie_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGZWAoXy-C4 |
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| 06:41.04 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, nah, that's Frontier Psychiatrist. |
| 06:43.20 | slonopotamus | err... fremantle update? |
| 06:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, small one. |
| 06:44.24 | GeneralAntilles | PR1.1.1 |
| 06:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, see the end of the topic. |
| 06:45.08 | slonopotamus | oh, right |
| 06:45.11 | tybollt | since konttori said 1.2 is soon due, I'm guesing this is yet another "stepping stone"? |
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| 06:46.50 | slonopotamus | ' * Disables apt-get from installing ovi store content ' |
| 06:46.53 | slonopotamus | err... wut? |
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| 06:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, is that how they did it? |
| 06:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 06:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | Fail. |
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| 06:50.23 | GeneralAntilles | So, um, who's going to package up a PR1.1 apt? :D |
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| 06:54.41 | villager | they really should think about doing some access control on the server side... |
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| 06:58.14 | mashiara | I guess a simple stopgap is enough for now, but I still wonder what in their server end is so messed up that they could not solve this properly |
| 06:58.41 | mashiara | of course Ovi is a completely different unit and all which makes things complicated... |
| 06:58.51 | mashiara | s/unit/business unit/ |
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| 07:01.31 | slonopotamus | argh! why? why delete button is disabled when you open email from yellow popup??? |
| 07:02.02 | mashiara | Could someone else verify that the latest kernel source package cannot build usable debs and then perhaps file a bug |
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| 07:02.25 | tybollt | slonopotamus: In soviet (finland?) russia - mail delete you! |
| 07:02.51 | mashiara | I mean as-is, I spent the last evening and this morning patching the rules and control for http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 07:03.05 | mashiara | and I had to do a lot more patching than for PR1.1 |
| 07:03.52 | mashiara | and it looks like the stock rules/control yield basically useless debs (modules not stripped so they 50MB space etc...) |
| 07:03.56 | torindel | fail @ Maemo update, what nokia pc software, unless they did linux version which i doubt -__- |
| 07:04.28 | mashiara | there is a CLI flasher that works in linux and OSX |
| 07:04.47 | torindel | mashiara: so only whole device reflash will work? |
| 07:04.53 | mashiara | (except my OSX where there is a weird conflict somewhere, but I have weird stuff installed) |
| 07:05.06 | torindel | no update from running phone like before? -__- |
| 07:05.30 | villager | you can update from phone if you have the free space |
| 07:05.35 | slonopotamus | torindel, just updated without problems. |
| 07:05.54 | villager | and haven't installed too much crap that conflicts with builtin software I guess |
| 07:06.03 | mashiara | torindel: I'm confused now, AFAIK the nokia windows updater is flasher too |
| 07:06.50 | mashiara | torindel: updating in-device works unless something prevents it from working (like weird devel packages or too full rootfs), as said above |
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| 07:15.17 | kejen_ | has anyone ran into issues from enabling/disabling testing/devel. For example. Enable testing and it installs a package and some libs. Then disable it. Now install something and it was compiled against a lib in normal, but i have the lib from testing |
| 07:15.31 | kejen_ | not sure how to explain it |
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| 07:16.20 | kejen_ | i guess it wouldnt matter unless it was core stuff |
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| 07:19.35 | slonopotamus | bug #9095. vote! |
| 07:19.37 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9095 Delete button disabled when email is opened from yellow notification |
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| 07:35.17 | Xisdibik | slonopotamus: you delete email? 0.o |
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| 07:36.00 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:36.13 | Xisdibik | morning Jaffa |
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| 07:44.09 | Jaffa | konttori_work: ping (questions about menu structure in PR 1.2) |
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| 07:50.47 | konttori_work | Jaffa, pong |
| 07:51.33 | Stskeeps | tries to catch up with talk.maemo.org |
| 07:52.25 | tybollt | I don't go there much but I guess trolls are having a field day what w/ the meeto and all that? |
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| 07:52.46 | Stskeeps | i like to compare it to screaming people inside a burning house |
| 07:52.53 | tybollt | :-D |
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| 07:55.05 | adeus | some people can actually use forums like irc |
| 07:55.13 | adeus | talk for pages and pages about nothing |
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| 07:58.18 | thresh | *some*?? |
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| 08:02.10 | crashanddie_ | !thresh++ |
| 08:02.21 | crashanddie_ | FAILBUS TICKET, wooooooooo |
| 08:02.26 | crashanddie_ | ~thresh++ |
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| 08:02.31 | thresh | :o |
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| 08:07.05 | Stskeeps | mashiara: what new kernel version? |
| 08:07.22 | mashiara | 20100303+0m5 |
| 08:07.31 | Stskeeps | i don't see it. |
| 08:07.43 | Stskeeps | in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ |
| 08:08.00 | Stskeeps | unless you mean a internal release |
| 08:08.22 | mashiara | hmmm, I wonder if I'm getting this from some -devel repo... |
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| 08:09.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, extras-devel |
| 08:09.08 | Jaffa | konttori_work: someone's suggested Catorise will have "serious issues", wondering if /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu isn't the root anymore |
| 08:09.11 | mashiara | it indeed looked mighty half-baked |
| 08:09.19 | jacekowski | good morning |
| 08:09.27 | Stskeeps | mashiara: could you report this issue to extras-devel for me? |
| 08:09.45 | Stskeeps | there isn't supposed to be a 'kernel' source package in extras-devel |
| 08:10.03 | Stskeeps | err, to maemo-developers/community |
| 08:12.10 | mashiara | sure |
| 08:12.15 | mashiara | bangs head to the wall |
| 08:12.32 | mashiara | I spent *a lot* of time fixing a non-issue |
| 08:12.49 | mashiara | just because someone from collabora did not think things through |
| 08:13.04 | Stskeeps | mashiara: pitchforks and molotov cocktails time, obviously |
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| 08:16.10 | nid0 | so, this is probably going to make me sound monumentally dumb but I have a query |
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| 08:17.14 | nid0 | when I got up this morning and touched my phone's screen it was displaying a more "traditional" touchscreen's "swipe across here to unlock" thing that i've never seen before, any idea how to intentionally use that rather than locking it via deactivating the screen entirely as normal on the switch? |
| 08:17.36 | thresh | touch the power button |
| 08:17.54 | thresh | select lock screen and keys |
| 08:18.02 | thresh | touch the power button again |
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| 08:18.22 | nid0 | oh cunning, can lock it using either method but the power button to wake it instead of the lock switch displays the screen |
| 08:18.23 | nid0 | neat, ta |
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| 08:19.52 | xt | nid0: you can press power button twice to make locking faster |
| 08:20.24 | tybollt | is dissapointed in Stskeeps - you forgot tar and feathers ;P |
| 08:20.58 | nid0 | yeah ta I knew that one, will probably stick to the slider switch to lock it, but getting the screen display with the clock without unlocking it entirely is handy, I never knew that was there till accidentally seeing it this morning |
| 08:20.58 | thresh | xt: woah, i never knew that |
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| 08:26.28 | mashiara | stskeeps: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-February/003940.html |
| 08:26.38 | Stskeeps | thanks |
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| 08:31.11 | mece | is Qt 4.6 for fremantle final? |
| 08:31.33 | timeless_mbp | oh wow |
| 08:31.39 | timeless_mbp | calendar will suck a lot less |
| 08:31.47 | timeless_mbp | hearts 1.2 |
| 08:32.05 | mece | timeless_mbp, oh.. OH! When will I have it? |
| 08:32.14 | timeless_mbp | mece: i don't read tea leaves |
| 08:32.16 | timeless_mbp | you're welcome to try |
| 08:32.19 | tybollt | ! <3 the silly dialogs in HAM |
| 08:32.20 | Corsac | before hell freezes |
| 08:32.26 | tybollt | "yeah, right" wtf is that? :-S |
| 08:32.27 | Corsac | (hopefully) |
| 08:32.32 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: did you see my pictures of ham? |
| 08:32.42 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: Where do I look? |
| 08:32.43 | Corsac | I love ham for breakfast |
| 08:32.52 | tybollt | mmmmh ham *drools* |
| 08:32.52 | mece | timeless_mbp, I prefer salami. |
| 08:32.58 | mece | err sorry wrong person |
| 08:33.05 | timeless_mbp | ham isn't kosher |
| 08:33.10 | mece | timeless_mbp, how does calendar suck less in 1.2 then? |
| 08:33.17 | timeless_mbp | mece: i couldn't say |
| 08:33.26 | mece | timeless_mbp, but it does? |
| 08:33.31 | timeless_mbp | hypothetically |
| 08:33.35 | mece | :) |
| 08:34.04 | timeless_mbp | actually, not the calendar |
| 08:34.06 | timeless_mbp | calendaring |
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| 08:34.18 | mece | i see. |
| 08:36.54 | tybollt | timeless_mbp++ |
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| 08:52.27 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 08:52.41 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 08:52.45 | wazd | hello everyone |
| 08:52.57 | tybollt | hello Dr Nick! |
| 08:53.07 | tybollt | ehr wazd |
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| 08:55.01 | Stskeeps | jebba: ping |
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| 09:01.19 | Antti_Alien | Stskeeps: tekojo told to ask you :-] |
| 09:01.31 | Stskeeps | Antti_Alien: about? :) |
| 09:01.32 | Antti_Alien | hi, i'm trying to create a customized rootfs image to set up a large number of devices |
| 09:01.44 | Stskeeps | ah, just my alley :) |
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| 09:02.04 | Antti_Alien | but, i need them to be uninstallable |
| 09:02.08 | Stskeeps | Antti_Alien: by devices you mean n900? |
| 09:02.13 | Antti_Alien | yeah |
| 09:02.25 | Stskeeps | k, should we take this in private message? |
| 09:02.33 | Antti_Alien | okay |
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| 09:09.51 | Flyser | is there a rss feed available of the extras-testing repository? I monitor added applications |
| 09:10.17 | X-Fade | Flyser: No, not atm. On my todo list. |
| 09:10.25 | Flyser | okay. |
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| 09:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | shit >:-( Not enough free storage for PR1.1.1 |
| 09:16.50 | tybollt | -> disable repo -> install -> enable repo |
| 09:16.53 | tybollt | no big deal mate |
| 09:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | uhu. Also when I completely cleaned /var/cache/apt? |
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| 09:20.58 | rom1dep | Flyser: there is a program.. appwatch |
| 09:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: which repos to disable? |
| 09:22.09 | rom1dep | DocScrutinizer: no worry, just free rootfs by moving things to /home + symlink |
| 09:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | what o move? |
| 09:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | /var/lib? |
| 09:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | /usr? |
| 09:23.56 | rom1dep | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 09:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles swearwords |
| 09:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 09:24.48 | infobot | hmm... optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR |
| 09:27.24 | tigert | man |
| 09:27.33 | tigert | flipclock has some weirdest ui |
| 09:27.45 | tigert | plus it is so slow I dont know how it works :D |
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| 09:34.02 | thorbjorn | I want to see that video again from dui framework announcement, but it's no longer to be found anywhere? :( |
| 09:34.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, i was wondering why that got pulled as well |
| 09:35.39 | alterego | Off of youtube? |
| 09:37.03 | thorbjorn | Yes. |
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| 09:37.37 | alterego | Curious, google consipiracy? ^.^ |
| 09:37.40 | thorbjorn | See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Jk0FETBB4 :) |
| 09:37.54 | tybollt | dui framework? |
| 09:38.10 | alterego | Removed by user aye ,,, Interesting ... |
| 09:38.32 | thorbjorn | Even the blog post referring to it was removed (http://karoliinamaemoblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/maemo-6-ui-framework-open-sourcing.html) |
| 09:38.53 | alterego | Weird .. |
| 09:38.58 | alterego | I bet they got told off ... |
| 09:39.09 | thorbjorn | Guess so. |
| 09:39.36 | alterego | Which is odd, because I thought they got asked to do it? That's at least the impression I got from something he said in the video. |
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| 09:41.48 | rom1dep | It remains Widget Gallery |
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| 09:45.20 | Laiska | uuu,an update for maemo 5 |
| 09:45.32 | rom1dep | damn that's heavy :( |
| 09:46.13 | tybollt | heavy? |
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| 09:46.39 | rom1dep | the widget gallery app is slow... |
| 09:50.26 | TomaszD | battle of wesnoth takes ages to initialize |
| 09:50.34 | TomaszD | I'm not sure if this is compiled properly |
| 09:50.39 | timeless_mbp | TomaszD: s/initialize/start/ |
| 09:50.50 | timeless_mbp | one doesn't use "initialize" in common speech |
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| 09:51.03 | timeless_mbp | generally anywhere that Nokia uses it in the n900 ui is a bug |
| 09:51.16 | timeless_mbp | has eradicated most instances |
| 09:51.21 | TomaszD | :) |
| 09:51.41 | TomaszD | wesnoth now says "initializing screen" |
| 09:51.58 | timeless_mbp | right, that's a bug |
| 09:52.11 | timeless_mbp | using big words is generally wrong |
| 09:52.30 | TomaszD | I think that's debatable, I encourage you to file a bug with wesnoth though |
| 09:52.52 | timeless_mbp | konttori_work: speaking of linguistics, did you file a bug about the untranslated string? :) |
| 09:53.08 | timeless_mbp | TomaszD: give me a picture and steps to reproduce and i'll file it :) |
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| 10:00.34 | TomaszD | timeless_mbp, http://imgur.com/RrHs2.png |
| 10:00.43 | TomaszD | it's in Polish though |
| 10:00.53 | TomaszD | but I don't believe the original translation is "starting" |
| 10:00.54 | TomaszD | :) |
| 10:01.01 | timeless_mbp | TomaszD: heh |
| 10:01.04 | timeless_mbp | yeah, somehow i doubt it |
| 10:01.06 | tybollt | ugh |
| 10:01.11 | timeless_mbp | localizers don't tend to be particularly creative |
| 10:01.25 | tybollt | why does symbian^3 release look like a description of Hildon? :S |
| 10:01.40 | bilboed-pi | what ? |
| 10:01.55 | tybollt | "The Homescreen takes a big step forward with support for multiple pages of widgets and a simple flick gesture to move between them. The widget manager makes discovery and download of new widgets simple and support for multiple instances of a native widget means that consumers can monitor multiple weather forecasts, news feeds, social networking accounts or multiple email accounts simultaneously through a common interface." |
| 10:02.03 | TomaszD | timeless_mbp, the Polish l10n of wesnoth is actually very good, can't blame them for sticking with the original |
| 10:02.23 | TomaszD | it's a matter of not having some guidelines estabilished, which we (GNOME) already have |
| 10:03.14 | TomaszD | tybollt, so hildon is a poor cousin, we don't have a widget manager with downloading capabilities |
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| 10:04.32 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: oh the directions Symbian and Maemo are moving in are really amusing |
| 10:04.58 | TomaszD | timeless_mbp, come on, share your opinion, I'm curious |
| 10:04.59 | TomaszD | :) |
| 10:05.03 | timeless_mbp | they're trying very hard to trade places :) |
| 10:05.16 | timeless_mbp | the grass is greener on the other side :) |
| 10:05.19 | TriztFromWork | is it just me or after yesterdays update I don't seem to be able to change volume with the zoom-button |
| 10:05.46 | TomaszD | TriztFromWork, just you probably, in what circumstances though? |
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| 10:06.49 | TriztFromWork | TomaszD; when on a virtual desktop, no active programs, in the media player listening to music |
| 10:06.51 | TomaszD | timeless_mbp, Symbian^3 is open source and I'd hazard a guess that it's more mature than Maemo :) Why do they stick with efforts on both |
| 10:07.17 | TomaszD | TriztFromWork, so it doesn't work anywhere? |
| 10:07.39 | timeless_mbp | TomaszD: that's like asking a person "why do you breathe, there's another person over there who's older and breathes better" |
| 10:07.58 | rom1dep | TriztFromWork: works here |
| 10:08.21 | TomaszD | oh timeless_mbp and his misjudged similies, breathing is essential for life, can't be compared with OS platforms |
| 10:08.29 | TriztFromWork | TomaszD; I need each time to get the system menu and use the volume control there to set the volume |
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| 10:08.43 | timeless_mbp | TomaszD: you think os platforms aren't made by organizations? |
| 10:08.50 | timeless_mbp | should organizations not breathe? |
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| 10:09.18 | timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: does this happen in Notes? |
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| 10:09.46 | TomaszD | timeless_mbp, should they not be re-structured, re-organized to get behind one common platform instead of doing it like everyone is for themselves? |
| 10:09.58 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; one moment |
| 10:10.05 | nid0 | so which do you suggest they abandon? |
| 10:10.18 | timeless_mbp | TomaszD: if 90% of the people are working on stuff which has competing engineers |
| 10:10.25 | timeless_mbp | and competing managers |
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| 10:10.36 | TomaszD | I have no idea, it's a very tough decision |
| 10:10.45 | timeless_mbp | then restructuring is roughly equivalent to deleting 95% of the people |
| 10:10.58 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp, TomaszD, rom1dep; seems I needed yeat another reboot |
| 10:11.01 | timeless_mbp | asking an entity why it bothers breathing isn't likely to result in happiness |
| 10:11.16 | TomaszD | so it's about the people, not about the end goal of... profit |
| 10:11.33 | TomaszD | I know, no-one ever said it would be easy |
| 10:11.39 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 10:11.48 | TomaszD | it would make sense though, disregarding feelings of people for a moment |
| 10:11.49 | timeless_mbp | the goal of the organization is for its people to profit |
| 10:12.02 | ShadowJK | the 4 platforms are for different hw anyway, at some point it stops making sense trying to make one thing scalable across entire range :/ |
| 10:12.08 | timeless_mbp | that it happens to conflict with some other organization with a similar goal elsewhere w/in the larger organization |
| 10:12.11 | timeless_mbp | well, that happens |
| 10:12.20 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; people to profit or stock woner profit? |
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| 10:12.31 | timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: people are selfish |
| 10:12.33 | timeless_mbp | especially here |
| 10:12.43 | nid0 | why would it make sense? notwithstanding the fact that symbian and maemo/meego are for different devices, why should/would nokia restrict themselves by just abandoning one? |
| 10:13.02 | timeless_mbp | nid0: they both make software |
| 10:13.05 | timeless_mbp | obviously they're the same |
| 10:13.05 | TomaszD | I know next to nothing about restructuring companies, but I'm sure most people could stay, once the company gets behind the turmoil, turns a bigger profit as a result of being more focused, then they could hire more people again |
| 10:13.07 | ShadowJK | they're abandoning one? |
| 10:13.09 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; sure we are, but there are a few how work for a common goal instead of own economical profit |
| 10:13.11 | timeless_mbp | and obviously they could save money |
| 10:13.13 | Ken-Young | I am trying to install the new Maemo 5 update on my N900. The Application Manager claims that 16 Mb free space is requited. By uninstalling *all* my downloaded Aps, I have freed 30 Mb in rootfs. But when I try to install the update, I get the message "Not enough space on trarget". Does anyone know why I can't update with 30 Mb free? |
| 10:13.23 | timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: s/how/who/ ? |
| 10:13.32 | TomaszD | Ken-Young, you need >42MB |
| 10:13.43 | ShadowJK | Ken-Young: disable extras-devel and extras-testing |
| 10:13.46 | ShadowJK | reboot |
| 10:14.04 | sp3000 | does that mean the string is bad? |
| 10:14.05 | Ken-Young | Thanks! I'll try that. |
| 10:14.07 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; maybe just Stallman |
| 10:15.09 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; sorry, missed that you fixed my typo |
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| 10:15.40 | Ken-Young | Just out of curiousity, whay does mearly having Extras-testing and Extras-Devel chew up megabytes of space on rootfs? |
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| 10:15.58 | nid0 | the repo cache is stored there |
| 10:16.12 | ShadowJK | A local copy of the list of apps available is made. It's huge for extras-devel |
| 10:16.15 | Ken-Young | And that takes *megabytes*? |
| 10:16.22 | nid0 | yes, extras-devel is massive |
| 10:16.24 | ShadowJK | 16 or so |
| 10:16.31 | Ken-Young | Geez! |
| 10:16.46 | TriztFromWork | sees he has to do something about that at next update |
| 10:17.28 | timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: the next real update should probably fix some of this stuff |
| 10:17.37 | timeless_mbp | although i suspect it'll be *after* the update, instead of before |
| 10:17.52 | TriztFromWork | I guess that will be the case :) |
| 10:17.52 | timeless_mbp | konttori seemed to indicate that we're going to optify stuff |
| 10:18.17 | Ken-Young | Is it possible to set up some soft links, and "optify" the repo cache? |
| 10:18.42 | ShadowJK | timeless: make the autobuilder optify by default I say |
| 10:18.56 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: for the system packages? |
| 10:19.00 | timeless_mbp | that would be interesting |
| 10:19.08 | ShadowJK | nah for extras-* |
| 10:19.08 | timeless_mbp | just move X11 to /opt and /bin/mount to /opt |
| 10:19.14 | timeless_mbp | and watch the system not boot :) |
| 10:19.18 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 10:20.08 | TriztFromWork | just a theoretical question, you would need custom kernel if you would make user "home" to be ext3 instead of vfat? |
| 10:20.28 | ShadowJK | /home is ext3 on n900 |
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| 10:21.21 | TriztFromWork | MyDocs |
| 10:21.44 | TriztFromWork | that one if vfat |
| 10:22.01 | timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: it doesn't require a custom kernel |
| 10:22.04 | timeless_mbp | but it will break apps |
| 10:22.07 | timeless_mbp | and there is no fix |
| 10:22.17 | TriztFromWork | :( |
| 10:22.26 | timeless_mbp | so you need a really good reason to break support for windows, osx, camera, and other random devices |
| 10:22.39 | TriztFromWork | only uses Linux |
| 10:22.48 | timeless_mbp | => has no friends |
| 10:23.00 | TriztFromWork | they have Linux |
| 10:23.03 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: the N presents MyDocs pretty much verbatim to the other end of the cable when connecting in "usb mass mode" right? |
| 10:23.13 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: yep |
| 10:23.21 | timeless_mbp | it's a hard disk w/ raw file system access |
| 10:23.31 | timeless_mbp | you can scribble dark secrets in unused sectors |
| 10:23.37 | timeless_mbp | (not a great idea, but hey!) |
| 10:23.51 | jacekowski | i was thinking about making some sort of vfat emulating driver |
| 10:23.58 | jacekowski | so it would present vfat to a PC |
| 10:24.00 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: you and what army? |
| 10:24.05 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 10:24.17 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: we aren't opposed |
| 10:24.28 | tybollt | yeah |
| 10:24.34 | jacekowski | while underlying fs would be still ext3 |
| 10:24.41 | inz | Has anyone noticed any extra crawler traffic on their maemo related sites lately? |
| 10:24.44 | timeless_mbp | and if your code is great, has no patent issues, is licensed properly and upstreamed, you can be sure we'll consider it |
| 10:24.45 | ShadowJK | How about a small iso9660 partition with autorun.inf installing ext3 driver |
| 10:24.46 | tybollt | but emulating VFAT like that will prove to be non trivial (at best) |
| 10:24.56 | jacekowski | we? |
| 10:25.04 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: you want people to trust nokia to write or distribute a kernel driver for windows? |
| 10:25.06 | tybollt | Newkia |
| 10:25.07 | jacekowski | vfat has patent issues all over it |
| 10:25.12 | timeless_mbp | do you know the horror stories about Apple's USB driver? |
| 10:25.16 | timeless_mbp | it causes blue screens |
| 10:25.18 | inz | My server load has gone way up, and the only related thing I can think of is MeeGo announcement. |
| 10:25.21 | timeless_mbp | have you seen nokia's windows apps? |
| 10:25.29 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: Do enlighten me, please |
| 10:25.32 | timeless_mbp | they're even worse than apple's windows apps (and that's impressive) |
| 10:25.36 | ShadowJK | patent issues... does nokia lawyers have a list of patents they car about and which they dont... becayse everything is patented :\ |
| 10:25.45 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: read the TMO threads on reparitiong and efficient flash usage |
| 10:26.11 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: patent numbers and descriptions are generally not shared |
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| 10:26.18 | ShadowJK | timeless: the ext3 driver for windows already exists I think |
| 10:26.24 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; TMO? |
| 10:26.31 | timeless_mbp | knowing about patents is hazardous to your health and your employer's financial well-being |
| 10:26.43 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: TMO = talk.maemo.org |
| 10:26.45 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: you would trust nokia to maintain updated versions of this driver? |
| 10:26.54 | tybollt | ShadowJK: nokia are so big that they don't need to care about patents. They can afford to play the suit <-> counter suit game for years on end until the other party (if BIG MONEY) settles out of court or (if small money) budges... |
| 10:26.56 | TriztFromWork | the ext3 driver isn't part of microsoft, so it will never be installed by default |
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| 10:27.07 | timeless_mbp | fwiw |
| 10:27.16 | timeless_mbp | if you're going to waste your time thinking about a driver for windows |
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| 10:27.20 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; ah, ok, I think I have those threads already bookmarked at home |
| 10:27.21 | timeless_mbp | the one that makes sense is usb networking |
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| 10:27.37 | timeless_mbp | then you can use samba w/ windows |
| 10:27.38 | ShadowJK | wouldnt even install nokia pc/ovi suite on anything |
| 10:27.41 | jacekowski | besides, why n900 is using crappy slow unreliable ext3 |
| 10:27.45 | jacekowski | instead of reiserf |
| 10:27.46 | jacekowski | s |
| 10:27.53 | timeless_mbp | oh, jacekowski 's a troll |
| 10:28.03 | t-tan | jacekowski: wrong. both a not flash optimized |
| 10:28.06 | TriztFromWork | jfs had been cooler :P |
| 10:28.11 | t-tan | s/a/are/ |
| 10:28.13 | ShadowJK | jacekowski: it's the least bad for sd of the non-beta filesystems |
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| 10:28.32 | tybollt | timeless_mbp++ |
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| 10:28.54 | timeless_mbp | wonders if this is his troll army |
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| 10:29.02 | timeless_mbp | do they code for you too, or just flood? |
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| 10:29.06 | Corsac | reiserfs leaves dead files in the forest |
| 10:29.14 | ShadowJK | The crash behaviour of harddrives and flash differ alot. |
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| 10:29.18 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: do they make a sound? |
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| 10:29.50 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: when they get beaten, maybe |
| 10:29.53 | jacekowski | t-tan: from my personal experience reiser seems to be better |
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| 10:30.02 | Lumpio- | reiserfs is the only filesystem I've had crash on me |
| 10:30.18 | timeless_mbp | Lumpio-: crash ?= dataloss |
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| 10:30.34 | timeless_mbp | my hdd is dying and i'm not losing data :) |
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| 10:30.42 | ShadowJK | iirc TomTom ran robustness tests by powercycling during writes to SD/MMC repeatedly, and vfat and ext3 were about the only ones that werent dead after the second cycle, let alone the 10th.. |
| 10:31.06 | Lumpio- | timeless_mbp: Likely data loss. |
| 10:31.24 | t-tan | nilfs2 looks interesting and should be even safer. we have in the custom kernel |
| 10:31.27 | jacekowski | Lumpio-: reiserfs is only fs that never failed me |
| 10:31.32 | Lumpio- | There were a lot of files on that filesystem, and the... whatever tool recovered most of it in some 6 hours |
| 10:31.39 | jacekowski | Lumpio-: and it even survived disk failure in my home LVM |
| 10:31.39 | Lumpio- | However I did get some 60k files in lost+found. |
| 10:31.48 | TriztFromWork | seconds jacekowski |
| 10:31.55 | jacekowski | Lumpio-: where it left empty holes in file system |
| 10:32.12 | Lumpio- | eh? |
| 10:32.14 | TriztFromWork | but I do mostly use jfs as it goes to read only if it detects something wrong |
| 10:32.26 | ShadowJK | t-tan: Im running nilfs2 on my sheevaplug. It's fast, but I would not recommend it on n900. |
| 10:32.30 | jacekowski | Lumpio-: LVM is something like raid but not really |
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| 10:32.52 | Lumpio- | wtf does LVM have to do with this |
| 10:33.01 | t-tan | ShadowJK: why not? does it crash often? bugs? |
| 10:33.04 | jacekowski | Lumpio-: that i has 2 disks in LVM |
| 10:33.07 | jacekowski | Lumpio-: and one failed |
| 10:33.13 | Lumpio- | aah |
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| 10:33.23 | jacekowski | and except that data that was on failed HDD was lost |
| 10:33.24 | Lumpio- | I missed your line mentioning LVM |
| 10:33.31 | jacekowski | FS as a whole survived |
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| 10:33.46 | ShadowJK | t-tan: it does *alot* of rearranging of data in the background. It averages about .5Meg/second to a 4g usb key. That's tens of gigabytes per day. It's probably not good for longevity. |
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| 10:34.27 | ShadowJK | batterylife too :) |
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| 10:36.11 | t-tan | ShadowJK: thanks. that's interesting |
| 10:36.22 | ShadowJK | wonders if btrfs still has the "slow ssd" mode |
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| 10:36.47 | jacekowski | but going back to FS on n900 |
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| 10:36.54 | jacekowski | why ext3 not ext2? |
| 10:36.55 | t-tan | ShadowJK: so what are the alternatives: brts, logfs? |
| 10:36.55 | ShadowJK | or if they abandoned it when people realized you should only buy intel and indilinx based |
| 10:37.05 | ShadowJK | t-tan: pretty much |
| 10:37.09 | jacekowski | what are chances of power loss in middle of write |
| 10:37.13 | ShadowJK | I think meego will use btrfs |
| 10:37.28 | jacekowski | on battery powered device |
| 10:37.37 | ShadowJK | jacekowski: that's where it often happens |
| 10:37.45 | tigert | ever dropped your device? |
| 10:37.54 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:38.01 | t-tan | for btrfs we need a > 2.6.32 kernel on the N900 |
| 10:38.01 | tigert | it is @quick way to remove battery really fast |
| 10:38.02 | timeless_mbp | rotfl |
| 10:38.19 | Lynoure | jacekowski: use call recording, and on a mobile phone the change of power loss in middle of write gets quite large :) |
| 10:38.24 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: your average user will probably trigger sudden power loss at least 10 times a year |
| 10:38.41 | ShadowJK | If IO pressure becomes too high so the watchdog daemons dont run often enough, the hardware will brutally reset your device during peak I/O activity |
| 10:38.47 | timeless_mbp | now, if you don't care about your data, that's fine |
| 10:38.57 | tybollt | tigert: I found testing the "N900 fly" app is also good for quick battery removal |
| 10:39.07 | timeless_mbp | but oddly, most people get very upset if an *important* piece of data is lost |
| 10:39.09 | tigert | tybollt: yeah |
| 10:39.13 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: heh |
| 10:39.17 | tigert | hmm |
| 10:39.23 | jacekowski | well, i've been using ext2 for years |
| 10:39.33 | jacekowski | before people ever heard about ext3 |
| 10:39.37 | tigert | how robust is n900fly? are my height records safe? ;) |
| 10:39.41 | t-tan | ShadowJK: decompression of the easydeb image doesn't trigger a reboot |
| 10:39.47 | Lynoure | jacekowski: that's usually the the order, yes :) |
| 10:39.51 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: how is that relevant? |
| 10:39.58 | Lynoure | jacekowski: ext2 then ext3 |
| 10:40.01 | jacekowski | that it was reliable enough |
| 10:40.04 | timeless_mbp | were you using it on a battery powered contraption? |
| 10:40.09 | ShadowJK | t-tan: it does not |
| 10:40.14 | jacekowski | mains powered |
| 10:40.14 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: the stuff your smoking... |
| 10:40.17 | timeless_mbp | it isn't great stuff |
| 10:40.25 | timeless_mbp | i'd suggest you contact your dealer and ask for something else |
| 10:40.30 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 10:40.47 | Lynoure | I've had data loss on mains powered ext2, that sucked |
| 10:40.47 | t-tan | ShadowJK: that's what I said. so when is I/O too high? |
| 10:40.58 | Lynoure | ext3 is more <3 |
| 10:41.02 | konttori_work | Jaffa, I missed your comment. |
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| 10:41.09 | konttori_work | I was in meeting. Could you repeat it? |
| 10:41.19 | tigert | transmission does some crazy i/o too |
| 10:41.26 | timeless_mbp | Lynoure: i had a laptop where i was running it w/o a battery |
| 10:41.39 | timeless_mbp | occasionally i'd trip over the power cable |
| 10:41.43 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: yes, done that too. :) |
| 10:41.54 | jacekowski | you could do it as they used to do it in IRIX |
| 10:41.59 | timeless_mbp | the sad part was that i was using RDP for most stuff |
| 10:42.05 | timeless_mbp | except, the work i was doing was in notepad locally |
| 10:42.07 | jacekowski | machines were able to trigger power loss interrupt |
| 10:42.08 | timeless_mbp | <oops> |
| 10:42.25 | ShadowJK | t-tan: performance degrades exponentially the less sequential it becomes. decompressing an image is a sequential read simultaneous with sequential write, plus some swapout activity. This is quite light for mmc |
| 10:42.32 | jacekowski | and run for long enough from capacitors for writes to complete |
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| 10:42.47 | yakov | hey |
| 10:43.28 | t-tan | ShadowJK: it spends most time for I/O, CPU load is < 50% |
| 10:43.35 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: so... |
| 10:43.40 | timeless_mbp | please stop dreaming |
| 10:43.45 | jacekowski | you only need couple seconds of working CPU and flash |
| 10:43.47 | timeless_mbp | you're asserting well behaved programs |
| 10:43.57 | timeless_mbp | which have useful write patterns |
| 10:44.03 | timeless_mbp | those programs don't exist |
| 10:44.10 | jacekowski | it was working in IRIX |
| 10:44.15 | timeless_mbp | well, we aren't |
| 10:44.18 | ShadowJK | sure, but it's probably doing over 6 megs/sec total, it's fast enough that paging activity doesn't get delayed too much |
| 10:44.21 | timeless_mbp | we're working w/ linux programs |
| 10:44.46 | yakov | guys, which dsp does N900 have? TMS320C64+? |
| 10:44.56 | TriztFromWork | damn you write too much, I can't manage both work and read at the same time |
| 10:45.10 | yakov | I can't find it in omap spec |
| 10:45.32 | t-tan | ShadowJK: we see the effect that the same decompression sometimes takes 8min, sometimes 1h |
| 10:45.58 | timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: stop working ;-) |
| 10:46.05 | thresh | yakov: wikipedia says so |
| 10:46.13 | ShadowJK | the worst case performance is approximately 90kbyte/s |
| 10:46.25 | tybollt | timless + thresh last two sentences bundled makes a very fun quote ;) |
| 10:46.36 | timeless_mbp | lol |
| 10:46.38 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; thats an option, just wonder how I'll get my bills disappear too |
| 10:47.00 | slonopotamus | craaaap |
| 10:47.02 | ShadowJK | (90 for a class 6) |
| 10:47.04 | slonopotamus | it happened |
| 10:47.34 | tybollt | ShadowJK: hmm you're _the_ sd/mmc guru? |
| 10:47.43 | tybollt | ShadowJK: performance diff 6 <-> 10? |
| 10:47.45 | slonopotamus | usb connector destroyed on my n900 :( |
| 10:47.45 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; usually takes med 30-45 mins if I have 1G+ tar file |
| 10:47.54 | tybollt | ShadowJK: Basically, is 10 worth the extra monneh? |
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| 10:48.18 | slonopotamus | anyone has a fix? |
| 10:48.26 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: production n900? |
| 10:48.31 | ShadowJK | tybollt: horsepiss vs cowpiss, it's a difficult choice indeed ;) |
| 10:48.33 | t-tan | ShadowJK: you mean, when changing only one bit per eraseblock? |
| 10:48.35 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, yep |
| 10:48.40 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: class action suit? |
| 10:48.45 | ShadowJK | t-tan: when writing 4k blocks |
| 10:48.48 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what? |
| 10:48.48 | tybollt | slonopotamus: warranty -> nokia repair shop -> meditate for two weeks -> wake up -> pick up phone at repair shop |
| 10:49.06 | Stskeeps | tybollt: except that's not how it seems to go :P |
| 10:49.13 | tybollt | Stskeeps: ?? |
| 10:49.25 | slonopotamus | aargh |
| 10:49.34 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: the "easydeb benchmark": lzma decompression of 230MB to 2GB takes 8GB on the SD |
| 10:49.35 | Stskeeps | tybollt: go read talk.maemo.org :P |
| 10:49.47 | MiXu- | how does it go then? |
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| 10:50.12 | tybollt | Stskeeps: I rather not watch those loudmouth w/ fire in their hair ;) |
| 10:50.19 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107 |
| 10:50.25 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; so 2GB takes 8GB of space? thats not good, too big bloxksizes? |
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| 10:50.47 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: oops, typo: 8mins |
| 10:51.06 | TriztFromWork | okey, thats quite fast compared to what i get |
| 10:51.10 | ShadowJK | MiXu-: "hi my usb port broke" - "our engineers have dtermined you istreated the device, no warranty repair for you" - "but you didn't even look at it!" - "err, we used our.. xray machine... at the door.... go away" |
| 10:51.22 | MiXu- | Nice :P |
| 10:51.23 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: that's on a class 6 card. the same for eMMC |
| 10:52.13 | ShadowJK | I think the decompression time to microsd on n900 would vary less from time to time than to emmc :P |
| 10:52.21 | slonopotamus | so, usb port lived 3 month for me |
| 10:52.29 | slonopotamus | *months |
| 10:52.30 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; eMMC, was that where you have the OS or where you had ~/Mydocs ? |
| 10:53.02 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: I uncompressed on repartitioned ext3. |
| 10:53.04 | TriztFromWork | I guess the later, as the / don't have 2GB space |
| 10:53.19 | ShadowJK | slonopotamus: do post the the tmo thread, production device lasted 3 months... and your experience with nokia care |
| 10:53.29 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; thats nice, I have only done the untaring on vfat |
| 10:53.49 | t-tan | ShadowJK: you mean due to simulanteous swap or home access? |
| 10:53.57 | nid0 | lack of uk firmware update getting very old now :< |
| 10:54.00 | ShadowJK | I think texrat is trying to make Nokia stop acting like an Evil Empire on this issue, so reports will help |
| 10:54.08 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: I don't expect a big difference on vfat |
| 10:54.17 | Ken-Young | TomaszD, ShadowJK Thanks for your help - I was able to update after following your tips. |
| 10:54.23 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; and my phone has been really unresponsive when doing that, frist moving the file to the device and then unarchive, both took me 30-45 mins |
| 10:54.27 | ShadowJK | t-tan: swapout and on-demand paging of stuff in /opt, yeah |
| 10:54.55 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: yes, you shouldn't use your device during the process. run it via ssh |
| 10:55.09 | ShadowJK | Even downloading stuff with gpodder at 500k/sec gives noticeable extra latency :) |
| 10:55.26 | slonopotamus | calls nokia care |
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| 10:55.38 | TriztFromWork | t-tan: I wouldn't have to do the unarchinving if only "scp -r" had worked |
| 10:55.50 | mece | scp -r works fine. |
| 10:55.56 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: rsync |
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| 10:57.00 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; scp far simpler and less options |
| 10:57.14 | TriztFromWork | mece; which ssh package you installed? |
| 10:57.20 | mece | hmm |
| 10:57.42 | mece | TriztFromWork, you mean what version? |
| 10:58.08 | TriztFromWork | mece; there are two different ssh packages in the repos |
| 10:59.01 | mece | TriztFromWork, I installed this in December. It's 51p1-6.maemo5 |
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| 10:59.26 | mece | the openssh client and server metapackage |
| 10:59.34 | TriztFromWork | mece; openSSH (this one I have installed) and Dropbear SSH |
| 11:00.48 | TriztFromWork | mece; I have 5.1p1-6 too, but option -r never works for directories |
| 11:00.55 | tybollt | why dropbear ssh? |
| 11:01.00 | tybollt | really why? |
| 11:01.02 | Jaffa | konttori_work: someone's suggested Catorise will have "serious issues", wondering if /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu isn't the root anymore |
| 11:01.12 | tybollt | openssh - drop everything else |
| 11:01.20 | TriztFromWork | tybollt; don't ask me, I didn't approve it to be on the repo |
| 11:01.23 | tybollt | (mind the pun) |
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| 11:02.01 | tybollt | TriztFromWork: They can put pictures of busted baby seals on the repo - doesn't mean you have to download it... :) |
| 11:02.26 | TriztFromWork | tybollt; I wouldn't, thats why I installed openSSH |
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| 11:05.17 | slonopotamus | tries to decide if he should remove private data before sending his n900 to repair |
| 11:05.38 | mece | TrizrFromWork, well I have that version and -r works as it should. I'm not sure I've tried it every way, but I've done a scp -r /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds mece@myhost:/music/ and that worked |
| 11:05.39 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: it doesn't work anyway |
| 11:06.02 | TriztFromWork | slonopotamus; if you don't then the next one getting your parts won't see your photos ;) |
| 11:06.13 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: so the questions are; |
| 11:06.26 | timeless_mbp | 1. do you expect there to be a virus on the systems that touch your device |
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| 11:06.38 | TriztFromWork | mece; the other way around? |
| 11:06.47 | timeless_mbp | 2. do you trust nokia less today than you did when you bought your n900 |
| 11:07.08 | mece | TriztFromWork, from server to n900, on the n900? |
| 11:07.27 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, i have some battery power yet :) |
| 11:07.28 | slonopotamus | actually just charged it and was pulling cable out |
| 11:07.41 | X-Fade | wants a nice equalizer built in Maemo |
| 11:08.02 | TriztFromWork | mece; from server to n900 |
| 11:08.47 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, i didn't buy it, it was gifted to me |
| 11:09.41 | slonopotamus | craaap :( |
| 11:09.55 | mece | TriztFromWork, I'm not sure if I've pulled. I can try it now.. |
| 11:10.29 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK, so, they all break that way? |
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| 11:11.05 | TriztFromWork | mece; thanks |
| 11:13.01 | mece | TriztFromWork, works fine. I created /home/mece/testpull/asdf/ on my server and put some stuff there, then did, from n900, scp -r mece@<server>:/home/mece/testpull ./ and it downloaded the subtree as it should have. |
| 11:13.29 | TriztFromWork | hmm strange that it don't work for me |
| 11:13.36 | mece | TriztFromWork, could it be your server that has some problems? |
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| 11:14.10 | TriztFromWork | mece; works fine between laptop desktop, server desktop in all directions |
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| 11:15.17 | mece | TriztFromWork, you could perhaps try to remove all the ssh packages and install the openssh one again? |
| 11:17.09 | TriztFromWork | I could. but that has to wait until I'm back home as I don't have access to the workstation with my n900 as they are on different nets |
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| 11:24.01 | konttori_work | Jaffa, you mean after the flattened launcher list is applied? |
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| 11:27.36 | timeless_mbp | konttori_work: have you installed catorize? |
| 11:28.28 | Scelt_ | catorize and mymenu are both having something good but also something bad |
| 11:28.53 | timeless_mbp | Scelt_: this is a different conversation |
| 11:29.01 | R4lph | is away : I'm working... [=P= LogON] |
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| 11:33.17 | yakov | how does TI name C64+ silicon on OMAP? IVA? then what is ISP? is it possible to gain control of it? |
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| 11:48.06 | slonopotamus | -.- |
| 11:48.13 | Arif | .me yawns |
| 11:48.16 | Arif | yawns |
| 11:48.40 | Shapeshifter | how can I reload the icon cache or whatever is responsible for displaying icons on the desktop. Whenever I install a new app, the icon for the new app stays a blue square on the desktop and the app menu |
| 11:48.45 | Shapeshifter | a reboot fixes this. |
| 11:49.19 | Arif | reboot? :P |
| 11:49.34 | MiXu- | It's the same for me |
| 11:49.44 | Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: file a bug |
| 11:49.45 | Arif | I noticed it shows up after a while though |
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| 11:52.09 | Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 I think this is pretty much the problem |
| 11:52.10 | povbot` | Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in "More..." view has default icon instead of own one |
| 11:53.52 | wazd | I've located a karma whore! wee! :D |
| 11:54.03 | RST38h | wazd: kill it!@ |
| 11:54.14 | konttori_work | timeless, at least once, yes. But not after the flattening has been done |
| 11:54.35 | Scelt_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures#Xterm_Shortcuts - ctrl+arrows to jump the words would be great |
| 11:54.52 | wazd | RST38h: http://maemo.org/profile/view/torpedo48/ |
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| 11:55.16 | wazd | bwahaha :) |
| 11:55.34 | Stskeeps | wazd: who is that guy? :P |
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| 11:55.40 | Shapeshifter | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7307 this is probably the same bug, simply after a restore |
| 11:55.40 | povbot` | Bug 7307: App shortcuts on desktop don't have icon after restoring applications & settings |
| 11:55.43 | RST38h | wazd: Welll...umgh... at least he is reporting bugs... |
| 11:56.08 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, at least he commented ALL of the OMW iconsets with "Good job, it makes my desktop colorful" :D |
| 11:56.22 | Stskeeps | 2009-12-01 |
| 11:56.24 | wazd | RST38h: he's an undercover :D |
| 11:56.25 | Jaffa | konttori_work: Correct. |
| 11:56.30 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, he commented my stuff too |
| 11:56.35 | Shapeshifter | and apparently there isn't even a font cache in pr 1.1.1 so I don't understand why there is this problem even. |
| 11:56.40 | RST38h | wazd: Something similar. Maybe he is running a script :) |
| 11:57.08 | wazd | RST38h: no script can trick me! |
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| 11:58.06 | zChris | Will Maemo stop existing now and become MeeGo ? |
| 11:58.22 | wazd | anyway, karma system failed again, people with lots of apps have less karma than people with lots of comments :D |
| 11:58.48 | Stskeeps | wazd: he'll be in for a shock when his karma doesn't qualify him for a meego device? |
| 11:58.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 11:59.28 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, he's a bug reporter, why not? :D |
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| 11:59.56 | wazd | Stskeeps: makes more sense than giving anything to the lame designer wannabe :) |
| 12:00.29 | crashanddie_ | zChris: there have been plenty of forum posts and blog posts |
| 12:00.39 | crashanddie_ | zChris: please do make an effort by googling for at least half a minute |
| 12:00.42 | wazd | http://maemo.org/profile/view/rami/ this guy is funny too |
| 12:00.53 | wazd | 842 for brainstorm ideas? :D |
| 12:00.53 | crashanddie_ | wazd: I think you're funnier |
| 12:01.18 | wazd | crashanddie_: I'm The Funniest One actually :) |
| 12:01.21 | X-Fade | The new karma modifiers will be implemented this week. |
| 12:01.48 | X-Fade | The ones that Valerio pushed/discussed. |
| 12:01.49 | crashanddie_ | X-Fade: just in time to screw everyone before the elections, I'm loving it! |
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| 12:02.03 | crashanddie_ | X-Fade: including the IRC ones? |
| 12:02.06 | X-Fade | crashanddie_: Does not matter really. |
| 12:02.17 | wazd | X-Fade: haven't seen it, but since Valerio has made it - it should be great :) |
| 12:02.55 | X-Fade | But I'm all for giving do-ers more karma. |
| 12:03.00 | X-Fade | Talk is cheap :) |
| 12:03.13 | niekt0 | I was just wonadering, what would be drawwback, if I remount mmc card to / after boot (so I can install any debian armel packeges without fulling root partition). |
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| 12:03.18 | niekt0 | ~wondering |
| 12:03.31 | zChris | crashanddie_: The answer is yes :< |
| 12:03.35 | X-Fade | niekt0: Why don't you just boot from mmc then? |
| 12:03.47 | crashanddie_ | zChris: the answer is not immediately |
| 12:03.54 | crashanddie_ | zChris: you don't want maemo on a netbook? |
| 12:04.00 | crashanddie_ | zChris: maemo goodness in your car computer? |
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| 12:04.45 | zChris | crashanddie_: I dont know since i havent tried Maemo. Im just curious what will happen with it now when Nokia is changing OS |
| 12:04.51 | pupnik_ | the legitimate fear is bad decisions flowing from intel |
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| 12:05.21 | crashanddie_ | pupnik_: bad decisions like what? Core 2 Duo? Intel Atom? |
| 12:05.28 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: no, ARM saboteurs. |
| 12:05.30 | pupnik_ | like shiftedsegment:offset |
| 12:05.33 | X-Fade | zChris: It is not changing OS. |
| 12:05.38 | pupnik_ | or rpm |
| 12:05.44 | pupnik_ | or "meego" |
| 12:05.45 | crashanddie_ | zChris: Maemo 5 will live, Maemo 6 will live, we're just working towards a common goal with another company |
| 12:05.59 | niekt0 | X-Fade: Even better. But still, will it be slower? or more power consuming? shorter card lifetime? |
| 12:06.25 | X-Fade | niekt0: You would find it out for us ;) |
| 12:06.57 | X-Fade | niekt0: Not using a compressed filesystem will help with performance in writes, but can slow down in reads. It all depends. |
| 12:07.25 | pupnik_ | maybe we could have a power efficient cpu with a shutdownable x86 core on the side for the occasional dosbox session :P |
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| 12:13.11 | mashiara | X-Fade: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-February/003940.html |
| 12:13.13 | lardman | "morning£ |
| 12:14.07 | X-Fade | mashiara: Yes, will look into it. |
| 12:14.12 | mashiara | Maybe we could have a sanity-check in autobuilder that refuses packages with exact same names as the occresponding nokia repo |
| 12:14.26 | mashiara | s/occresponding/corresponding/ |
| 12:14.30 | X-Fade | mashiara: There is. I wonder why it didn't work. |
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| 12:14.48 | mashiara | does not check for the source package name ? |
| 12:14.50 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: it looks at binary package not source? |
| 12:15.23 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I think looks at binaries produced by source packages. |
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| 12:16.41 | mashiara | wouldn't it be "simplest" to extract the source package before building and check the control file |
| 12:16.50 | X-Fade | mashiara: It does that. |
| 12:16.59 | pupnik_ | X-Fade: what _is_ the proper upstream for maemo5 anyway. i use debian sid at home so thats what i always grab |
| 12:18.06 | mashiara | pupnik_: at least the kernel changelog lines say intrepid |
| 12:18.54 | mashiara | but I don't think there is official upstream distro |
| 12:19.06 | pupnik_ | yeah |
| 12:19.50 | X-Fade | pupnik_: No one knows ;) |
| 12:20.27 | X-Fade | pupnik_: With MeeGo, it will be more clear. As that is an upstream distro itself. |
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| 12:21.52 | pupnik_ | "maego" would have been less annoying |
| 12:22.09 | pupnik_ | oh well |
| 12:22.36 | pupnik_ | nomen est omen |
| 12:24.15 | matthew- | crashanddie_: If you dont agree with something, it doesnt mean you troll. |
| 12:24.24 | matthew- | you troll -> I troll. |
| 12:24.32 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: I'm sorry? |
| 12:24.51 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: context? |
| 12:26.08 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: if you're going to throw out snarky comments, at least follow up on them, you twat |
| 12:26.25 | crashanddie_ | anyway, going out for a cigarette, if you have anything else to say: PM |
| 12:27.15 | t-tan | mashiara: I've reported that kernel-source confict, too |
| 12:27.30 | matthew- | crashanddie_: No need to insult anyone. |
| 12:28.29 | t-tan | mashiara: the proper way should be like this: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/source/k/kernel-maemo/ |
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| 12:29.10 | mashiara | if you're going to package a custom kernel call it something else than kernel-maemo |
| 12:29.31 | mashiara | howabout kernel-ttan |
| 12:29.35 | mashiara | or ttan-kernel |
| 12:29.54 | mashiara | for http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ i use hotspot-kernel |
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| 12:30.36 | t-tan | mashiara: the idea is have a common ommunity kernel, patches welcome. see TMO |
| 12:31.07 | mashiara | community-kernel ? |
| 12:31.17 | mashiara | trying to avoid confusion here... |
| 12:31.55 | t-tan | mashiara: yes, with enhancements to the stock kernel |
| 12:32.09 | mashiara | no I meant package name 'community-kernel' |
| 12:32.18 | mashiara | with 'community-kernel-modules' |
| 12:32.36 | t-tan | mashiara: the community is called Maemo |
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| 12:32.53 | adeus | hrrmh stupid freenode |
| 12:33.29 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: why you don't just put your money where your mouth is? When did I say you were a troll? Bit of context please |
| 12:33.30 | mashiara | sure but if I didn't already know the difference of "kernel" and "kernel-maemo"/"maemo-kernel" |
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| 12:33.55 | mashiara | then "kernel-maemo" would look a *lot* like the official name |
| 12:34.03 | crashanddie_ | yo penguinbait |
| 12:34.30 | t-tan | mashiara: it's primarily a package that contains the kernel, not the community :) |
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| 12:35.25 | TriztFromWork | damn, it was the community i wanted |
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| 12:35.42 | mashiara | is this comment on "community-kernel" vs "kernel-community" (or "maemo-kernel" vs "kernel-maemo") |
| 12:35.49 | matthew- | crashanddie_: On the forums. |
| 12:35.56 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: LINK |
| 12:36.20 | matthew- | later. |
| 12:36.22 | mashiara | or on the choice of the name used to differentiate the package from the stock kernel |
| 12:36.32 | mashiara | (my comments above meant for t-tan) |
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| 12:37.31 | mashiara | t-tan: in case you're interested in "my" patches see http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/mobilehotspot/trunk/patches/ |
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| 12:39.10 | matthew- | crashanddie_: Dont you think its a bit of a power abuse? |
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| 12:40.14 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: you're telling me to not call you a troll because allegedly I'm doing it to say we don't share the same opinion, and then you refuse to tell me where I did it |
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| 12:40.38 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=531846&postcount=585 |
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| 12:40.54 | mashiara | t-tan: I get the point about it being primarily kernel for some reason I just find it cleaner to use prefix-kernel(-xxx)? than kernel-suffix(-xxx)? |
| 12:40.57 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: so I repeat, either own up on your allegations, or shut up |
| 12:41.08 | TriztFromWork | hate when the n900 rejects to connect, no matter that the key phrase is correct |
| 12:41.15 | matthew- | crashanddie_: I am working, i said ill link it later. |
| 12:41.27 | t-tan | mashiara: if you think your patches are stable, I could integrate them into the package |
| 12:41.27 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: and I say, sod off if you're going to troll |
| 12:41.43 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: because that is _exactly_ trolling |
| 12:41.50 | t-tan | mashiara: so far no one complained about the name |
| 12:41.59 | crashanddie_ | matthew-: so you have the time to go on IRC to diss people, but not to link? |
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| 12:42.24 | tybollt | PM, please? |
| 12:42.45 | t-tan | t-tan: I have converted it to quilt, so its pretty easy to add/remove/change subpatches |
| 12:42.48 | mashiara | t-tan: I'm just touchy on the confusion issue right now, I wasted a lot of time on fixing stupidity in the "kernel" source package in extras devel cursing at the wrong people |
| 12:43.35 | t-tan | mashiara: do you know the name of the guy who uploaded it? |
| 12:44.17 | mashiara | it's in the control file and I guess in autobuilders logs |
| 12:44.30 | mashiara | but I already nuked the files from my SB |
| 12:45.44 | mashiara | as for patches it's basically just configuration changes (enable NAT and QoS) and two quick and dirty oops fixes |
| 12:46.26 | t-tan | mashiara: ok, I already have NAT enabled. I can integrate your fixes and enable QoS |
| 12:47.13 | TriztFromWork | t-tan; how likely will it be that you add nfs4 support? |
| 12:48.03 | mashiara | t-tan: while discussing packaging and different custom kernels, how about this idea: use Provides: kernel-modules-nat, kernel-modules-xxx etc |
| 12:48.14 | mashiara | I do that on the hotspot packages (which are not in any repo yet) |
| 12:48.33 | mashiara | and the hotspot UI depends on the provides lines not on the exact kernel name |
| 12:48.51 | t-tan | TriztFromWork: even in the stock kernel CONFIG_NFS_V4=y |
| 12:49.16 | TriztFromWork | last time I tried it didn't want to mount the nfs4 |
| 12:49.46 | t-tan | mashiara: yes, that's something we could consider, but some modules require a new kernel, other would work with stock |
| 12:50.31 | t-tan | mashiara: ... yes, just specifiying provides is a good idea |
| 12:51.00 | t-tan | mashiara: I thought you meant independent modules packages |
| 12:51.11 | mashiara | t-tan: I know but those module packages can then depend on exact kernel versions (I have also been thinking about how to cleanly package minimal featuresets of packages, since not everyone needs everything that goes into the community kernel) |
| 12:51.27 | mashiara | t-tan: took a while to write that |
| 12:52.06 | mashiara | t-tan: also independent module packages would be nice (also in the case of the community kernel) |
| 12:52.37 | t-tan | mashiara: problem: for the community kernel they are in their indep modules directory |
| 12:53.01 | t-tan | mashiara: so that can simply reflash a stock kernel |
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| 12:53.58 | t-tan | mashiara: we could symlink them to the stock modules directory |
| 12:54.01 | mashiara | t-tan: I guess with carefull use of depends/provides these should be solvable, but we probably need to ask the stock kernel people to add some provides lines too |
| 12:54.21 | mashiara | package wise |
| 12:55.02 | t-tan | mashiara: Idealy Nokia should integrate useful and test patches from the community kernel, and then also add the "provides" |
| 12:55.28 | t-tan | s/test/tested/ |
| 12:55.37 | mashiara | yep, moment I'll try to write some examples |
| 12:55.49 | lcuk | ++ t-tan |
| 12:56.08 | lcuk | community provided patches would be a distinct benefit where pracitcal |
| 12:56.30 | lcuk | not just kernel |
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| 12:57.07 | mashiara | If we have for example package 'kernel-modules-joydev' that has one file, joydev.ko, this module works with plain stock kernel so the file can be placed on the same module directory. the package must depend on the exact stock kernel version. Then we have another package |
| 12:57.14 | t-tan | the TMO thread for the community kernel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420 |
| 12:57.34 | t-tan | we should discuss our ideas there |
| 12:57.48 | mashiara | point |
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| 12:59.11 | mashiara | will do |
| 12:59.30 | t-tan | mashiara: I'm just adding your patches to the comm.kernel |
| 13:00.01 | mashiara | ok, though they're not really mine, talk usernames in patch file tell whose... |
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| 13:00.55 | Salle74 | hello |
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| 13:02.24 | t-tan | mashiara: ok, thanks |
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| 13:08.50 | Necc | hy. i have a simple question: is there any way to override or disable automatic software update checks? |
| 13:08.57 | Necc | platform: maemo5 |
| 13:09.13 | X-Fade | Necc: Just disable the repository? |
| 13:09.21 | Necc | not a solution |
| 13:09.40 | X-Fade | Necc: It is :) |
| 13:09.45 | Necc | no it is not |
| 13:10.03 | X-Fade | You might not like it ;) |
| 13:10.14 | Necc | i asked to disable or override automatic checks, and not to kill completely the app manager |
| 13:10.23 | adeus | it's not a big task to re-enable it if you manually update anyways |
| 13:10.35 | X-Fade | It is just a tickbox. |
| 13:10.44 | Necc | 10x checkbox... |
| 13:10.58 | frals | you got 10 repos enabled? bloody hell |
| 13:11.00 | X-Fade | Necc: Then you are doing something wrong anyway :) |
| 13:11.10 | Necc | every time when i wish to update or download new software... no this is not a solution, this is barbarism |
| 13:11.19 | frals | search the irclogs or talk.maemo.org, there is a setting to to change interval of automatic update |
| 13:11.37 | X-Fade | Necc: Or you click ignore once you see an update. |
| 13:11.41 | X-Fade | Necc: A lot easier. |
| 13:11.54 | Necc | i looked after in talk.maemo.org, i found nothing just a pending bugreport |
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| 13:12.27 | Necc | automatic software check is not visible event |
| 13:12.51 | frals | then search the irclogs or ml, im certain ive seen it somewhere |
| 13:13.27 | Necc | but it irritates me that this stupid function eats up montly 85MB from my 20MB data plan. so i look a solution to disable or override it |
| 13:14.45 | X-Fade | Necc: Are you sure it auto updates over 3G? If so, file a bug about that? |
| 13:14.59 | alterego | Mine does over 3G |
| 13:15.00 | Necc | i'm absolutely sure |
| 13:15.26 | Necc | aptitude checks for update in the background, and generates monthly a large amount data traffic |
| 13:15.27 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - updating over wifi also is a bug |
| 13:15.34 | X-Fade | Necc: Well that seems unwanted behavior to me. |
| 13:15.37 | SpeedEvil | or updating over usbnet |
| 13:15.42 | X-Fade | Necc: We don't use aptitude. |
| 13:15.42 | SpeedEvil | if it can't be disabled |
| 13:16.04 | frals | its suppose to be "always online", i dont see why it would matter *what* connection it is... ;-) |
| 13:16.23 | SpeedEvil | frals: it's not always online if it falls offline due to exceeding quots. |
| 13:16.24 | SpeedEvil | as |
| 13:17.09 | frals | ye, no idea how people manage to get excessive data as im well within my 200mb monthly with autoupdate on extras, testing and devel |
| 13:17.29 | SpeedEvil | frals: and you're on 3G all the time? |
| 13:17.38 | frals | mostly yes |
| 13:17.47 | tybollt | frals: You use MFE? |
| 13:17.57 | Necc | it is matter for me as IRC and IM (like skype or MSN) uses monthly 6-7MB data, so a 20MB data plan is just ideal for me, except this clearly unwanted periodical updates |
| 13:18.04 | frals | yes, always online.. not syncing mailing list folders thou :p |
| 13:18.28 | MiXu- | How much do you pay for a 20MB plan then? |
| 13:18.28 | Necc | i can set mail sync to wifi only |
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| 13:18.52 | frals | Necc: if you check the h-a-m source on maemo.gitorious.org you can probably find the setting as well |
| 13:18.56 | MiXu- | Or 200MB |
| 13:19.42 | MiXu- | I'm paying 9,90e/month for an unlimited fullrate dataplan. It's so cheap that I don't see any point in having anything less. |
| 13:19.43 | frals | ~4.9€ |
| 13:20.11 | SpeedEvil | where you are |
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| 13:20.15 | MiXu- | Finland |
| 13:20.21 | SpeedEvil | costs vary dramatically. |
| 13:20.27 | MiXu- | apparently :) |
| 13:20.44 | X-Fade | It is mostly a pain when you are roaming :) |
| 13:21.08 | X-Fade | But if you don't allow automatic roaming, you should be fine. |
| 13:21.24 | adeus | yeah |
| 13:21.41 | MiXu- | Well if I travel abroad, I'll just switch PSD off. |
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| 13:22.43 | SpeedEvil | There is a difference between 'I want to read IRC for an hour' and 'I want several |
| 13:22.43 | Necc | well good for you, but not data plan increase is the solution to fix a monthly 85MB data waste as mobile internet is damn expensive here |
| 13:22.51 | SpeedEvil | megabytes of update checked |
| 13:23.31 | Arif | unlimited data ftw |
| 13:23.37 | X-Fade | Necc: I agree, but do file a bug. It is the only way things will be fixed. |
| 13:24.08 | Necc | ok i'm on it but sorry i've a few real life things now and i response with delay :) |
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| 13:24.17 | mashiara | t-tan: whev... Blatant cross-posting about some of my kernel packaging ideas, please go see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=532091#post532091 |
| 13:24.40 | t-tan | mashiara: thanks |
| 13:25.19 | X-Fade | What genius decided to upload a linux kernel to extras-devel non-free? |
| 13:26.14 | adeus | isn't there a Maintainer-row :) |
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| 13:26.17 | lcuk | X-Fade, fuck? |
| 13:26.20 | SpeedEvil | hmm. Force update of all repos generates 7M or so of traffic |
| 13:26.30 | SpeedEvil | Dunno what normal checking would do. |
| 13:26.42 | tybollt | yikes |
| 13:26.50 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: A lot more actually. |
| 13:26.52 | lcuk | i had a kernel upgrade last night to correct version, didnt check its source because we have never had a kernel from extras |
| 13:26.55 | tybollt | frals: also, do you surf anything? |
| 13:26.59 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Well, compressed yes. |
| 13:27.15 | lcuk | X-Fade, that should be removed im gonna reflash |
| 13:27.19 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: I mean - tcp/ip as measured by ifconfig |
| 13:27.25 | frals | tybollt: yeah, i check news/t.m.o daily on the bus/metro |
| 13:27.27 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Yeah, you are right. |
| 13:27.42 | frals | guess im just lucky and get all the apt updates when im on wlan :p |
| 13:27.45 | X-Fade | lcuk: No it is named differently. |
| 13:27.52 | X-Fade | lcuk: That should not cause an update for you. |
| 13:27.59 | lcuk | thats sorta a relief then |
| 13:28.04 | tybollt | frals: IIRC a big sites like aftonbladet/DN etc takes a couple of MB just for the one load... |
| 13:28.05 | lcuk | ok i had a proper kernel update |
| 13:28.13 | X-Fade | lcuk: AM won't allow that anyway. |
| 13:28.14 | frals | tybollt: adblock ;-) |
| 13:28.23 | frals | i think tele2s proxy eats some of it as well as im using that one |
| 13:28.25 | tybollt | frals: does it work for you? :S |
| 13:28.30 | frals | yes, flawless |
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| 13:30.03 | X-Fade | zimmerle: ping? |
| 13:30.56 | X-Fade | zimmerle: You're not supposed to uploaded a modified kernel package to extras-devel with modified binary targets. |
| 13:31.03 | frals | lcuk: kernelupdate? uname -a? ;) |
| 13:31.04 | X-Fade | zimmerle: This is not good: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/kernel/2.6.28-20100303+0m5/ |
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| 13:34.53 | tybollt | frals: I installed it but doesn't make a lick of difference... I should get the "block" thingies but don't :-| |
| 13:35.10 | tybollt | granted - haven't tried since 111 |
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| 13:36.51 | Necc | X-Fade: "do file a bug" oookay and how should i do that? :) |
| 13:37.47 | adeus | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5137 |
| 13:37.49 | povbot` | Bug 5137: Add option to disable/enable periodic apt updates |
| 13:37.52 | adeus | maybe that is relevant |
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| 13:38.28 | frals | gconftool -st int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval 2147483647 |
| 13:38.33 | frals | thats the workaround it seems |
| 13:38.54 | Laiska | Humm, just checking, is GL ES 1.x is now supported in the latest PR 1.1.1 update? |
| 13:39.15 | Necc | and it works for N900 too? |
| 13:39.39 | Necc | i read that solution, but it applies for N8x0 and no informations about it will works on N900 |
| 13:39.46 | frals | could try |
| 13:40.03 | Necc | yes, OpenGL ES 1.1 is supported now in PR 1.1.1 |
| 13:41.23 | Necc | well i was able to execute "gconftool -st int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval 2147483647" but no output |
| 13:42.06 | Necc | also i love that no 'man' on N900 :| now i have no idea what i did |
| 13:42.16 | frals | ~curse users |
| 13:42.16 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, users ! |
| 13:43.05 | w00t | frals: *g* |
| 13:43.28 | frals | w00t: >_< |
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| 13:49.44 | kopte3 | hi |
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| 13:50.06 | t-tan | X-Fade: there are two kernels in extras-devel (as discussed before): the broken one you just mentioned and my renamed one in non-free |
| 13:50.22 | kopte3 | can somebody help me finding something? |
| 13:50.30 | X-Fade | t-tan: Yeah, broken one removed. |
| 13:50.38 | t-tan | X-Fade: is something wrong with uploading a renamed one to extras-devel? |
| 13:50.40 | X-Fade | t-tan: But the renamed one should really be in free. |
| 13:51.02 | t-tan | X-Fade: it depends on fiasco-gen, that's why it's not in free yet |
| 13:51.10 | Necc | kopte3: sure, if google was unable to help you |
| 13:51.33 | X-Fade | t-tan: Then you really should just wait unfortunately. |
| 13:51.43 | kopte3 | it's unable to help me.. :) |
| 13:51.51 | X-Fade | t-tan: Doing these direct uploads will only create a maintenance mess. |
| 13:51.54 | kopte3 | ok.. i wanted to ask |
| 13:52.10 | kopte3 | where i can find thumbnails of desktop bookmarks |
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| 13:52.45 | t-tan | X-Fade: where is the policy for non-free? how should we know what to (not) do? |
| 13:52.48 | kopte3 | i tried in /usr/share/bookmark-manager/thumbnails |
| 13:53.16 | t-tan | X-Fade: N900 users are fed up with waiting for months... |
| 13:53.25 | kopte3 | but there are only thumbnails for preinstalled bookmarks |
| 13:53.44 | X-Fade | t-tan: Non-free software should go in non-free. |
| 13:53.47 | alterego | kopte3: I'd imagine it's in your home directory somewhere. |
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| 13:54.02 | t-tan | X-Fade: I've just emailed you a possible solution how to build it on autobuilder, so it could go to free |
| 13:54.44 | X-Fade | t-tan: And extras* is really all about users. We do what we can to make sure they aren't getting into a mes. |
| 13:54.44 | kopte3 | yeah.. i know it's somewhere.. :) but i cannot find them |
| 13:54.47 | mece | kopte3, check under ~/.bookmarks |
| 13:54.49 | X-Fade | *mess |
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| 13:54.59 | t-tan | X-Fade: the kernel is actually non-free right now |
| 13:55.00 | kopte3 | i will wait a sec :) |
| 13:55.03 | kopte3 | tnx! |
| 13:55.31 | X-Fade | t-tan: Because? |
| 13:55.45 | mece | kopte3, /home/user/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml |
| 13:56.02 | t-tan | X-Fade: it is "linked"/modified with a non-free binary called fiasco-gen |
| 13:56.03 | R4lph | is away : I'm working... [=P= LogON] |
| 13:56.21 | X-Fade | t-tan: That is only the packaging. Doesn't make it non-free. |
| 13:56.54 | alterego | It's not like it depends on it ... |
| 13:57.26 | kopte3 | great guys! thanks a lot! |
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| 13:57.47 | t-tan | if you cannot reproduce the binary with free tools it's a GPL violation |
| 13:57.54 | kopte3 | bye ;) |
| 13:58.26 | t-tan | but it's a legal grey area |
| 13:58.59 | X-Fade | t-tan: well, you can. |
| 13:59.21 | X-Fade | t-tan: It needs to install on device, which is different. |
| 13:59.42 | X-Fade | t-tan: More a platform requirement than anything else. |
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| 14:00.45 | SpeedEvil | what is fiasco used for? Is it simply to flash the kernel to the right 'partition' ? |
| 14:01.24 | t-tan | X-Fade: you could view it as a "firmware linked" to the kernel which is necessary to execute to kernel-on device. without that you need workarounds the distributed Nokia kernel package doesnt need |
| 14:01.26 | SpeedEvil | If so - I don't see how it's a GPL violation - as you can flash non-GPL kernels onto the device |
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| 14:01.44 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: It is only needed in the install phase. |
| 14:01.48 | Stskeeps | t-tan: it isn't needed to execute kernel on device. |
| 14:02.02 | SpeedEvil | Any more than - say - ftp is required to be GPLd to fetch the kernel sources |
| 14:02.22 | t-tan | SpeedEvil: it modifies the kernel image for flashing |
| 14:02.24 | Stskeeps | t-tan: it is a packaging format, not a linked item |
| 14:02.44 | t-tan | Stskeeps: that's the legal grey area |
| 14:03.23 | Stskeeps | besides that |
| 14:03.32 | Stskeeps | fiasco-gen in non-free was what we could do very quickly |
| 14:03.35 | Stskeeps | open sourcing takes time. |
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| 14:04.53 | t-tan | I don't want to get into GPL fights, I just want to help other people to get easy access to enhanced kernels |
| 14:05.00 | Stskeeps | of course |
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| 14:07.26 | X-Fade | t-tan: Don't want to hold you back of course. |
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| 14:12.29 | paroneayea | is it true that meego isn't going to be running X11, an instead that piece of shit qt windowing system? |
| 14:12.42 | w00t | false |
| 14:12.49 | Andrewfblack | anyone setup n900 to connect to a network that provides the WEP when you connect? |
| 14:13.03 | paroneayea | w00t: whew. Any information to back that up? |
| 14:13.04 | Stskeeps | paroneayea: X11, for sure |
| 14:13.09 | paroneayea | ah okay |
| 14:13.13 | w00t | paroneayea: somewhere on meego.com |
| 14:13.15 | paroneayea | that is a huuuuuuge relief |
| 14:13.18 | w00t | paroneayea: give me a moment |
| 14:13.27 | w00t | http://meego.com/developers/hardware-enabling-process |
| 14:13.38 | w00t | paroneayea: also, #meego might be a better place for this |
| 14:13.43 | paroneayea | yes true |
| 14:13.58 | mgedmin | Andrewfblack, no; WPA here |
| 14:14.14 | paroneayea | w00t: I joined there a couple of days ago, it was a madhouse, maybe because of questions just like the ones I asked ;) |
| 14:14.18 | paroneayea | but true |
| 14:14.19 | w00t | nods |
| 14:14.21 | w00t | it's calmer now |
| 14:14.53 | Andrewfblack | work network uses Root cert and have to setup to accept WEP from server but don't see that option on N900 could have sworn it was on N810 |
| 14:15.06 | Arif | yawns |
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| 14:24.35 | Necc | Andrewfblack: if you use wifi and WEP security, there're a bug that N900 lacks some function about it. There're a bug at bugs.maemo.org and set as: wontfix but planned to fixed on maemo6 (sorry i don't remember exact details) |
| 14:25.58 | nid0 | tbh, heres hoping m6 just disables wep or plants a big "l2security" sign over the option |
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| 14:27.54 | sobczyk | is there a reason why probably X is crashing on my n900 when connecting to an unprotected wifi network? |
| 14:30.26 | Kegetys | security measure to stop you from using such networks |
| 14:30.41 | sobczyk | yeah right |
| 14:31.18 | mgedmin | X is crashing? |
| 14:31.51 | sobczyk | probably it's X because I see the dots splash an then the nokia splash |
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| 14:32.34 | mgedmin | cat /proc/boot_reason ? |
| 14:33.13 | sobczyk | sw_rst |
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| 14:34.19 | mgedmin | head /var/lib/dsme/stats/* |
| 14:35.03 | mgedmin | I think one of the lines in /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts ought to have a little * next to it |
| 14:35.12 | mgedmin | telling which core system process died and caused the lifeguard to reboot your n900 |
| 14:35.25 | mgedmin | hm or maybe no |
| 14:35.33 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: could you be lured to log #meego, btw? |
| 14:35.33 | mgedmin | I have a lifeguard_restarts and a .bak file |
| 14:36.00 | mgedmin | diffing them tells me camera-ui restarts increased by one |
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| 14:36.08 | mgedmin | actually, restarts is about restarting processes, innit? |
| 14:36.13 | mgedmin | it's resets that's about rebooting the device? |
| 14:36.18 | mgedmin | Stskeeps, *sigh* okay sure |
| 14:36.29 | mgedmin | supybot is a kind of a paint to configure |
| 14:36.34 | mgedmin | maybe I should write a script |
| 14:36.44 | sobczyk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:37.20 | mgedmin | Stskeeps, do you want bug number translations in #meego? |
| 14:37.24 | sobczyk | theres a bak too with two first lines the same |
| 14:37.33 | mgedmin | do they use the maemo bugzilla or will meego have their own bug tracker? |
| 14:37.35 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: let's wait with that until there's answer on meego bugtracker |
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| 14:38.24 | brady47 | I think they said their own bugzilla would be setup soon |
| 14:38.41 | brady47 | don't know if they are gonna transfer over any stuff from maemo bz tho |
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| 14:46.39 | alterego | Jesus, how old are these people arguing over RPM vs. DEB? |
| 14:46.49 | thresh | i'm 14! |
| 14:46.58 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:47.27 | alterego | Oh niceOMAP2 MBX drivers are out :D |
| 14:48.16 | Stskeeps | a lot of stuff happening these days |
| 14:48.23 | w00t | alterego: people will argue over a lot of things, the difficult bit is getting them to follow through on the arguments :-) |
| 14:48.28 | SpeedEvil | I'm 12, what is this? |
| 14:48.40 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Ice Age! |
| 14:48.43 | w00t | SpeedEvil: diaf |
| 14:48.46 | sejo | hmm the new maemo update is there a changelog somewhere? |
| 14:49.08 | alterego | Stskeeps: Nice about the thumbs up/down of planet maemo, sticks your post right on the front page. :) |
| 14:49.13 | alterego | meego is old news now ^.^ |
| 14:49.15 | RST38h | Stskeeps: We should elect the Sabre Toothed Squirrel, together with the council members |
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| 14:50.16 | petteri | whats up the disappearing maemo 6 interface videos. They appear on my rss feed, but they are not really available? |
| 14:50.27 | petteri | anyone got proper link to those? |
| 14:50.28 | RST38h | petteri: Nokia removed them |
| 14:50.37 | alterego | RST38h: any idea why yet? |
| 14:50.46 | RST38h | alterego: Does it matter? |
| 14:50.52 | alterego | S'pose not .. |
| 14:50.52 | RST38h | Probably they were too early |
| 14:51.04 | X-Fade | Packages are still in extras-devel btw. |
| 14:51.05 | petteri | RST38h: ok, thanks |
| 14:51.16 | X-Fade | petteri: apt-get install dui-demos |
| 14:51.17 | alterego | In a related question, was that just QtCreator used to develop on that video? |
| 14:51.22 | Bluewind | the gui package manager shows me teh packages of the new fireware but neither the update function nor apt-get dist-upgrade see them. ideas? |
| 14:51.23 | X-Fade | with extras-devel enabled. |
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| 14:52.02 | petteri | X-Fade: thanks, will try to find link from the web interface of the repo |
| 14:52.32 | X-Fade | petteri: Installs quite some packages, so better use apt-get ;) |
| 14:53.15 | petteri | X-Fade: ah ok |
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| 14:57.47 | t-tan | X-Fade: can a package in autobuilder download some file while building? |
| 14:58.06 | X-Fade | t-tan: no |
| 14:58.29 | X-Fade | t-tan: Every sane builder has no outside access. |
| 14:59.02 | t-tan | X-Fade: hmm, bad. then my workaround wont work :( |
| 14:59.35 | X-Fade | t-tan: I'm thinking you are going to expose your key ;) |
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| 15:01.35 | t-tan | X-Fade: I have only tried with fiasco-gen in the builddeps, but actually the package should be sdk-fiasco-gen. would autobuilder install that package or just fail? |
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| 15:01.58 | t-tan | X-Fade: because it's only in the latest SDK |
| 15:02.05 | X-Fade | t-tan: It will fail becaue it is not in the that version of the sdk. |
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| 15:03.37 | t-tan | X-Fade: :( that's what I expected. so would you mind if I upload kernel-maemo to non-free till the SDK is updated in autobuider? |
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| 15:23.42 | sobczyk | which python qt4 bindings are preffered (pyside or python2.5)? |
| 15:25.35 | Arif | sneezes at the N900 conversations app |
| 15:26.29 | Arif | It needs a font size option! |
| 15:26.29 | Arif | :) |
| 15:26.32 | Arif | :( |
| 15:27.19 | Kegetys | and an option to turn off the sound/vibrate for skype group chats |
| 15:27.42 | Arif | I don't have anyone to skype with |
| 15:27.48 | Arif | cries in a corner |
| 15:28.01 | Arif | I only use MSN / IRC |
| 15:28.10 | mece | Arif, isn't conversations is css? You can change the font in the css file. There's a thread somewhere.. |
| 15:28.21 | Kegetys | its quite annoying when a bunch of other people start chatting in the middle of the night and the device starts beeping and whirring on the table for hours on end |
| 15:28.30 | Arif | mece, if I knew what I was doing maybe =} |
| 15:28.59 | Arif | Kegetys, hint: go offline when you sleep! |
| 15:29.12 | Kegetys | then I wont get private messages either |
| 15:29.52 | Arif | use a bouncer :P |
| 15:30.04 | Arif | hmm I was thinking |
| 15:30.10 | Arif | can't you set different statuses for different accounts |
| 15:30.14 | mece | Arif, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36618 |
| 15:30.33 | mece | Arif, you can have a custom status, that have custom statuses for each account. |
| 15:30.54 | Arif | I want to be online on my VoiP account but offline on MSN |
| 15:31.00 | Arif | does that count as custom? |
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| 15:32.54 | mece | Arif, just go to my availability, new status, and choose what status each service want. |
| 15:33.37 | Arif | oo, I didn't know that .. :D |
| 15:33.49 | BBNS | Bonjour! |
| 15:33.52 | mece | Arif, good luck with that. gotta go. toodles. |
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| 15:46.50 | pupnik_ | anybody got a Opengl ES 1.1 test app built? |
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| 15:49.22 | Arif | hmm |
| 15:49.37 | Arif | does ový store accept other means to pay than credýt cards? :O |
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| 15:52.32 | javispedro | pupnik: what do you want? I can send you the "interesting" file from a bigger app that I have |
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| 15:53.07 | javispedro | eitherway any GLES2 sample will suffice, |
| 15:53.10 | javispedro | the changes are minimal |
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| 15:54.29 | javispedro | just swap -lGLESv2 for -lGLES_CM |
| 15:54.36 | pupnik_ | acha |
| 15:55.09 | pupnik_ | theres that nice scroller maryo world |
| 15:55.19 | javispedro | that's SDL? |
| 15:55.25 | pupnik_ | sdl+gl |
| 15:55.38 | javispedro | when I finish my current project (SDL+hildon input method) I plan to start SDL GLES "addon" |
| 15:55.51 | javispedro | without patching the maemo sdl |
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| 15:56.16 | javispedro | the SDL+him stuff should fix the rover.sys issue once for all, I hope. |
| 15:56.17 | pupnik_ | hmm |
| 15:56.29 | pupnik_ | that is wonderful |
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| 15:57.29 | pupnik_ | that should be +500 karma right there |
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| 16:05.14 | satmd | can I make n900 prefer sip over mobile? |
| 16:05.47 | dazo | satmd: I believe over 3G should work fine ... it's all about the available bandwidth |
| 16:06.01 | satmd | well, I mean |
| 16:06.15 | satmd | a way to chose sip calls rather than regular calls |
| 16:06.27 | dazo | ahh |
| 16:06.51 | satmd | something along simple call routing rules |
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| 16:07.38 | dazo | is very much satisfied with the latest m5 update ... battery consumption is reduced quite drastically, he might not need to charge the phone in the evening today .... |
| 16:08.09 | javispedro | yeah, it seems they fixed a "quite-common-but-I-never experienced-it" Wifi battery-draining bug |
| 16:08.10 | Brendan[BP] | lucky for you dazo! |
| 16:08.11 | Wild_Doogy | you make me want to buy a sim card so I can update my N900 |
| 16:08.16 | Arif | My N900 lasts 3 days on a charge |
| 16:08.18 | Arif | o.o |
| 16:08.21 | Brendan[BP] | mines still a battery eater |
| 16:08.35 | pupnik_ | brb |
| 16:08.38 | Corsac | yeah, since I removed quite a lot of apps it stays up really long |
| 16:08.47 | toggles_w | Arif: wow! i assume no wifi |
| 16:08.53 | Brendan[BP] | i had to remove a whole bunch to install update |
| 16:08.54 | Arif | only when I use it |
| 16:08.59 | Arif | which is a few hours a day |
| 16:09.03 | Corsac | not sure if it was camkeyd or the jack headphone daemon |
| 16:09.04 | javispedro | toggles_w: mine's gets 2 and a bit days with wi-fi on 24h |
| 16:09.05 | Brendan[BP] | got sooo many crappy apps on there that i dnt need haha |
| 16:09.08 | Arif | like 5-6 |
| 16:09.21 | toggles_w | wow, i'm lucky to get 10hrs with wifi |
| 16:09.21 | Arif | and 3 hours of radio streaming on 3G |
| 16:09.26 | Arif | :p |
| 16:09.29 | javispedro | toggles_w: ap failure |
| 16:09.30 | Brendan[BP] | yeah im lucky for 10hrs too |
| 16:09.31 | toggles_w | carries a spare battery |
| 16:09.36 | Brendan[BP] | hahahah |
| 16:09.39 | Brendan[BP] | i want a spare batt |
| 16:09.46 | Arif | I don't use mail/IM that much |
| 16:09.48 | Arif | maybe that's why :D |
| 16:09.49 | Brendan[BP] | thought about getting one but i know id forget it |
| 16:09.52 | Wild_Doogy | Question: I assume that while the possessor is at 250 Mhz, it consumes the least power, but while its at that speed, does it matter how much it is being used? |
| 16:10.15 | valdyn | Wild_Doogy: most certainly |
| 16:10.20 | javispedro | I have 30minutes POP3 mail checker on, and xmpp & skype enabled |
| 16:10.24 | toggles_w | javispedro: ap failure? the only thing i can think of that i have running is the cpu mon |
| 16:10.34 | Brendan[BP] | my mail check is every 5mins |
| 16:10.35 | Arif | I'm not interesting enough to get mail ;P |
| 16:10.38 | Brendan[BP] | for exchange |
| 16:10.57 | javispedro | toggles_w: may not support wi-fi power savings. |
| 16:11.00 | dazo | Before the latest update (which I got yesterday), it lasted 10-12 hours, with wifi on constantly ... SIP, MSN and ICQ logged in most of the time ... but today, it's like the battery still got 75% after 7-8 hours |
| 16:11.02 | Brendan[BP] | anyone think theyll every give the ability to hav a secondary exchange off ur primary account |
| 16:11.06 | Wild_Doogy | AKA, is no apts running, and a small-amount-but-not-enough-to-kick-it-into-500MHz the same amperage usage? |
| 16:11.18 | toggles_w | yeah, could be the router |
| 16:11.44 | valdyn | Wild_Doogy: no |
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| 16:11.48 | javispedro | dazo: I have this feeling the extra telepathy plugins are not easy on the battery |
| 16:12.01 | Wild_Doogy | ok, thanks good to know. |
| 16:12.12 | valdyn | Wild_Doogy: i dont know this cpu arch, but since even older intel chips have sleep states, this one surely does |
| 16:12.27 | dazo | javispedro: I'm using the haze version ... but I didn't notice much difference in consumption before and after installing that one |
| 16:12.29 | Arif | I'm waiting for file transfer support for all those plugins :P |
| 16:13.01 | Brendan[BP] | Pecan seems to eat up battery like crazy for me |
| 16:13.22 | Brendan[BP] | 3hrs hard use battery goes down pretty darn low |
| 16:13.24 | dazo | Brendan[BP]: have you checked with powertop? |
| 16:13.46 | javispedro | looks at this n800... last recharge: sunday. still at 50%. |
| 16:13.52 | javispedro | s/n800/n810 |
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| 16:13.55 | Brendan[BP] | dazo no i havnt as of yet, i monitored it for a day with bateye |
| 16:14.35 | Arif | throws an N910 at javispedro |
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| 16:14.54 | javispedro | grabs N910 and uses it to time travel |
| 16:15.01 | dazo | Brendan[BP]: I haven't tried bateye .... Will try that one when I see how the battery situation will be after a few days |
| 16:15.29 | Brendan[BP] | dazo excellent, am curious to know how other peoples are going |
| 16:15.44 | dazo | :) |
| 16:15.56 | Brendan[BP] | any ideas on the Exchange tho |
| 16:15.57 | Brendan[BP] | ØS |
| 16:16.00 | Brendan[BP] | **:S |
| 16:16.31 | dazo | just want to be sure he can point at bateye if the battery begins to drain again :-P |
| 16:16.50 | Brendan[BP] | dazo hahah you sure can! |
| 16:17.02 | Corsac | bateye is really nice |
| 16:17.08 | Corsac | and doesn't seem to take too much battery |
| 16:17.27 | Corsac | but that way I can monitor how much battery my various usages take |
| 16:17.36 | Brendan[BP] | mmm yeah ill give you that battery consumption is seemingly low with bateye |
| 16:17.50 | dazo | Brendan[BP]: well, I'm not using any automatic poll on my IMAP accounts .... but I believe that can also affect a lot, especially when you're using 5min poll time .... Not sure how Exchange proto is compared to IMAP also, in regards to energy consumption |
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| 16:18.39 | Brendan[BP] | dazo nar i wasnt talking about that i was more talking about the implementation of the ability to add a secondary exchange account hanging off the primary |
| 16:19.10 | Brendan[BP] | as i have a work email and a personal both off same exchange server, diff domains ofc but the personal is techincally a sub of my primary account |
| 16:19.27 | dazo | Brendan[BP]: ahh ... sorry ... I'm more of the anti-exchange guys .... don't understand why MS had to reimplement the IMAP protocol :-P |
| 16:19.51 | Brendan[BP] | nawww i love exchange! |
| 16:20.09 | Brendan[BP] | crap that reminds me needa go onto Kaseya irc now |
| 16:20.11 | Brendan[BP] | :( |
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| 16:20.38 | satmd | also wants to disable the sip chat feature |
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| 16:21.28 | dazo | is a firm believer in open standards ... and avoid as many proprietary solutions as possible, wherever he can |
| 16:21.43 | dazo | which is why I found N900 to be the best mobile phone on the marked right now |
| 16:22.13 | satmd | same here |
| 16:22.17 | lardman | I received a skype call from Oz this morning, was pretty good, quite impressed how seemless the whole thing was |
| 16:22.42 | lardman | in fact probably less laggy than one via a sat, less fibre to travel through ;) |
| 16:22.57 | javispedro | Skype is very good on the N900 IMHO. |
| 16:23.09 | javispedro | it's the first thing I did on mine :) |
| 16:23.10 | lardman | would be good to get the video feature working though |
| 16:23.31 | lardman | I've never bothered as I get free landline calls to the UK and very cheap to abroad |
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| 16:23.57 | timeless_mbp | satmd: sip handling is much nicer in the next major release |
| 16:23.58 | javispedro | I have free Wi-Fi on most places I go, so it's nice. |
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| 16:24.59 | satmd | timeless_mbp: oh... do you have any info about sip video support yet? ;) |
| 16:24.59 | toggles_w | timeless_mbp: please elaborate! |
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| 16:25.36 | timeless_mbp | satmd: nope, i'm just calling my sister and parents |
| 16:25.47 | timeless_mbp | and it's now remembering which service i used to call a normal phone number |
| 16:25.49 | lardman | using new improved sip support? ;) |
| 16:26.01 | satmd | :D |
| 16:26.11 | toggles_w | looks at his poor n900 in a tub of rice |
| 16:26.19 | Hydroxide | hi ... can anyone tell me the correct incantation to import a non-default root CA into my n900 so that MicroB, OpenSSL, etc will recognize websites signed directly or indirectly by that CA? |
| 16:26.22 | lardman | toggles_w: did it get wet? |
| 16:26.38 | X-Fade | toggles_w: Not the toilet I hope? ) |
| 16:26.41 | toggles_w | lardman: yup, washed it monday night, hope to rescue it from the rice in a few hours |
| 16:26.50 | lardman | good luck! |
| 16:26.53 | toggles_w | thx |
| 16:27.09 | nidO | good old tek7 for that lil tip |
| 16:27.15 | X-Fade | toggles_w: Battery removed? |
| 16:27.17 | SpeedEvil | Rice is a bad idea. |
| 16:27.19 | toggles_w | yup |
| 16:27.24 | SpeedEvil | It does not remove that much water. |
| 16:27.27 | timeless_mbp | Hydroxide: you can use a normal firefox to add a certificate authority root |
| 16:27.36 | timeless_mbp | and then copy the proper database files to your n900 |
| 16:27.38 | toggles_w | SpeedEvil: best i have |
| 16:27.42 | SpeedEvil | 80C in an oven or a drying cabinet for 24h. |
| 16:27.42 | nidO | it removes it better than just about anything else that people tend to have lying round |
| 16:27.46 | lardman | SpeedEvil: dessicant? |
| 16:27.50 | SpeedEvil | Most people have ovens. |
| 16:27.51 | Hydroxide | timeless_mbp: but I can't do it from the n900 directly? |
| 16:27.52 | nidO | a decent amount of silica crystals are hard to come by |
| 16:27.56 | timeless_mbp | Hydroxide: you can |
| 16:28.04 | SpeedEvil | You do need to verify that it is in fact at 80C though |
| 16:28.05 | lardman | airing cupboard, or by the hotwater tank |
| 16:28.08 | timeless_mbp | but it'll probably be easier to use a normal computer |
| 16:28.08 | SpeedEvil | (or dissasemble) |
| 16:28.09 | Brendan[BP] | buy lots of nachos and get the dessicant packets out of them hahah |
| 16:28.12 | timeless_mbp | is on an international call |
| 16:28.30 | Hydroxide | timeless_mbp: I tried opening the cert with the file manager, and it installed but didn't actually seem to get treated as a CA cert |
| 16:28.37 | lardman | not in the hotwater tank though ;) |
| 16:28.41 | timeless_mbp | Hydroxide: well |
| 16:28.45 | timeless_mbp | if it isn't a ca cert |
| 16:28.48 | Hydroxide | it is :) |
| 16:28.52 | timeless_mbp | then your cert is broken and your expectations are wrong |
| 16:28.53 | timeless_mbp | url? |
| 16:29.23 | javispedro | fries an USB SATA Bridge chip |
| 16:29.32 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: congrats |
| 16:29.45 | Hydroxide | I scp'ed it from /etc/ssl/certs on a trusted debian machine to avoid needing to verify fingerprints, but it's downloadable here: http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/spi-cacert.crt |
| 16:29.50 | javispedro | worst thing is that I don't know what I did, but it's now way too hot to touch. |
| 16:30.12 | Hydroxide | timeless_mbp: see ^^ - on my copy it ends in .pem instead of .crt but hopefully the certificate manager won't behave differently because of that |
| 16:31.05 | Hydroxide | timeless_mbp: it's also possible that it got installed but the MicroB browser doesn't support dealing with intermediate certs - hopefully it does though since gecko can handle it fine in general |
| 16:31.29 | Hydroxide | that's the root - the site I'm trying to access has one intermediate in between. |
| 16:31.39 | timeless_mbp | is the site publicly available? |
| 16:32.23 | Hydroxide | https://penta.debconf.org/ for example ... |
| 16:32.31 | Hydroxide | anything SSLified on Debian or DebConf |
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| 16:33.20 | Hydroxide | I highly doubt debian/debconf sysadmins got this wrong :) [no, I'm not one of them] |
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| 16:33.29 | satmd | Hydroxide: get the certificate file, store it on the filesystem, use the file manager to open the .crt, voila |
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| 16:33.32 | dazo | toggles_w: I've heard some people having had such incidents before ... and what they did, they opened the soaked device, took out those parts which will not be destroyed by water (loudspeakers, microphones) ... which usually meant the circuit boards .... and put it into a big container containing disinfected water .... and a lot of it .... so that all possible dirt are loosened up |
| 16:33.43 | LuciusMare | hi, i have a question about the meego - how open will it be? |
| 16:33.46 | mgedmin | disinfected or distilled? |
| 16:33.50 | Hydroxide | satmd: that's what I tried. it didn't work. though my copy is named .pem - will it behave differently if I rename it to .crt first? |
| 16:34.03 | Hydroxide | satmd: (it's the same certificate, just grabbed from /etc/ssl/certs/ on a Debian machine) |
| 16:34.13 | satmd | openssl x509 -in file.pem -out file.crt -inform PEM -outform DER |
| 16:34.14 | dazo | toggles_w: then after a few hours in that water .... it was time to dry it in a warm room .... wiping off as much of the water as possible, and let it air-dry the rest for a day |
| 16:34.34 | Hydroxide | satmd: does it need to be in DER format specifically or just have the .crt extension? |
| 16:34.37 | dazo | toggles_w: one guy did this on a couple of different devices with big success |
| 16:34.43 | satmd | Hydroxide: you can try both |
| 16:34.57 | lardman | bye |
| 16:35.06 | Hydroxide | satmd: ok. it's definitely worth a try. are you guessing or do you know it'll have different behavior? |
| 16:35.25 | dazo | mgedmin: distilled |
| 16:35.33 | Hydroxide | oh, and should I have to restart my n900 for this to take effect, or just quit all browser windows and pkill browserd? |
| 16:35.42 | satmd | well, .pem seems not to be tied to the cert manager |
| 16:35.58 | satmd | I'm not sure the cert manager will do content mangling |
| 16:35.59 | dazo | toggles_w: distilled water, I meant .... mgedmin gave me the correct word :) |
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| 16:37.12 | dazo | LuciusMare: I believe as open as maemo and moblin is today ... but #meego might give better answers |
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| 16:38.33 | timeless_mbp | Hydroxide: so um |
| 16:38.42 | timeless_mbp | betting that debian people get crypto right |
| 16:38.44 | timeless_mbp | is a terrible idea |
| 16:38.58 | timeless_mbp | that said, the cert installs fine w/ firefox on my mac |
| 16:38.59 | dazo | hahaha |
| 16:39.16 | LuciusMare | hrj |
| 16:39.16 | Hydroxide | decides not to get into that particular potential flamewar :) |
| 16:39.19 | dazo | timeless_mbp: are you thinking about the openssl incident a couple of years ago? ;-) |
| 16:39.26 | timeless_mbp | dazo: why not? :) |
| 16:39.45 | timeless_mbp | there are other cases too fwiw |
| 16:40.07 | Hydroxide | timeless_mbp: note I referred to the sysadmins. I didn't refer to "debian developers fixing a bug in openssl after consulting upstream about their proposed fix" |
| 16:40.09 | timeless_mbp | there are some debian people who are very pro <what was that ca that never got audited?> |
| 16:40.32 | dazo | timeless_mbp: yeah, nobody is perfect :) |
| 16:40.37 | Hydroxide | timeless_mbp: in any case, they definitely know how to make a valid CA cert |
| 16:40.58 | timeless_mbp | Hydroxide: step 1. break open ssl. step 2. use the broken ssl to generate a CA cert |
| 16:40.59 | dazo | In general, trusting one single unity in regards to security and encryption is the first mistake |
| 16:40.59 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 16:41.18 | Hydroxide | timeless_mbp: there is a reason why they regenerated their CA cert after that incident... :) |
| 16:41.31 | dazo | yup :) |
| 16:41.31 | timeless_mbp | was just going to check the dates on the cert |
| 16:41.44 | Hydroxide | it's a 2008 cert, after openssl was fixed |
| 16:41.46 | timeless_mbp | may 2008 |
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| 16:42.57 | timeless_mbp | i was also thinking of cacert fwiw |
| 16:43.11 | timeless_mbp | anyway, there's a package in extras-something |
| 16:43.18 | timeless_mbp | which gives you the mozilla crypto dialogs |
| 16:44.02 | timeless_mbp | i think you won't need that package in the next browser upgrade |
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| 16:44.53 | timeless_mbp | "microb-engine-comment-ext" |
| 16:45.37 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 16:45.45 | timeless_mbp | the phone application is a bit slow here |
| 16:46.38 | slonopotamus | hmm... how i check if autobuilder's going to build my pkg? :) |
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| 16:47.00 | slonopotamus | or how long i should wait before it starts |
| 16:47.41 | woglinde | jo |
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| 16:48.58 | slonopotamus | and how i see how many packages before mine are in queue? |
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| 16:49.05 | timeless_mbp | !summon konttori |
| 16:49.23 | timeless_mbp | the icon dropping algorithm for Call in portrait is a bit challenged |
| 16:49.25 | slonopotamus | and what idiot made usb connector that way |
| 16:50.09 | woglinde | slonopotamus hm there is no option |
| 16:50.11 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: there are none waiting. |
| 16:50.24 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: But there is virtually no wait queue anymore. |
| 16:50.42 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: As we have sufficient hardware now. |
| 16:50.55 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, hmm... where i uploaded it to then? :) |
| 16:51.07 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-February/017245.html |
| 16:51.10 | X-Fade | This one? |
| 16:51.26 | timeless_mbp | Hydroxide: fwiw |
| 16:51.34 | timeless_mbp | the SiPI cert kinda sucks |
| 16:51.43 | timeless_mbp | the name of their CA is "Certificate Authority" |
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| 16:51.52 | timeless_mbp | which is hardly professional |
| 16:51.59 | timeless_mbp | which isn't to say that all CAs get this right |
| 16:52.00 | Hydroxide | yes, that was actually less stupid before they regenerated it |
| 16:52.18 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, err... where you got link to it? yep, it's mine. |
| 16:52.23 | nidO | sigh, nokia + the uk hate is wearing thin now |
| 16:52.26 | timeless_mbp | actually, lemme take that back |
| 16:52.32 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: You should have gotten that mail too. |
| 16:52.36 | timeless_mbp | real ca's generally don't get that terribly wrong |
| 16:52.41 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-February/date.html#end |
| 16:52.45 | timeless_mbp | corporate ca's generally do get that terribly wrong |
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| 16:52.49 | Hydroxide | at the same time, it's not like "Equifax Secure Global Business CA-1" or such is any more meaningful - it just sounds more meaningful |
| 16:52.57 | slonopotamus | craaap |
| 16:53.02 | Hydroxide | the company that owns it isn't even Equifax :) |
| 16:53.11 | Hydroxide | (it's GeoTrust) |
| 16:53.13 | slonopotamus | newest messages at bottom :) |
| 16:54.18 | timeless_mbp | Hydroxide: it was when it was originally created |
| 16:54.18 | Wild_Doogy | does anyone know if there is a plug-in so I can take lower quality pictures with my N900 so I can email them easier? |
| 16:54.20 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, uploading docs didn't say anything about signing...more than that, dput config file explicitely allows unsigned uploads. |
| 16:54.26 | timeless_mbp | but the thing is you don't generally see two rows |
| 16:54.35 | timeless_mbp | which means you will see "signed by Certificate Authority" |
| 16:54.39 | timeless_mbp | which is utterly useless |
| 16:54.51 | timeless_mbp | i saw something like that when i went to delete your CA |
| 16:55.15 | slonopotamus | ah, i guess i need to _remove_ signature |
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| 16:56.00 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Is it your signature? |
| 16:56.52 | DarkGUNMAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.50 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, nope, i tried to upload debian package asis |
| 16:58.18 | slonopotamus | will fix it now... |
| 16:59.14 | Wild_Doogy | DarkGUNMAN: Thanks, I don't have easy Debian yet? think I should get it? (will it let me run Ubuntu apps?) |
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| 17:02.01 | cehteh | Wild_Doogy: the 'sharing' stuff lets you scale down a picture and email it |
| 17:02.25 | _andy | Hi. |
| 17:02.38 | _andy | when I boot my device it says "Malfunction ! Device shutdown in 10s" |
| 17:02.44 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, do i need to upload two .changes files, for arm and x86? |
| 17:02.55 | _andy | will this prevent me from reflashing teh firmware over usb? |
| 17:03.10 | cehteh | you could try at least |
| 17:03.12 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, if yes, how i generate them without rebuilding? |
| 17:03.46 | _andy | cahteh: i did try.. it didn't work but i've never flashed it before so I don't know if i'm doing something wrong or if the device is not flashable |
| 17:04.38 | cehteh | if you follow the instructions, flashing should work fine .. but i never heared about this 'malfunction' error, sounds somewhat serious |
| 17:04.47 | cehteh | maybe its really broken |
| 17:05.16 | _andy | cahteh: its not hardware, ii messed with /usr/lib. |
| 17:05.35 | slonopotamus | is there a single-command way to switch sb target? |
| 17:05.39 | Wild_Doogy | cehteh: thanks, thats what I needed to know. |
| 17:05.56 | cehteh | _andy: then flashing should work |
| 17:06.21 | RST38h | moos at slonopotamus |
| 17:06.49 | slonopotamus | RST38h, aye |
| 17:06.53 | cehteh | ~ $ groups |
| 17:06.54 | cehteh | -sh: groups: not found |
| 17:06.57 | cehteh | .. how i like this :PO |
| 17:07.03 | slonopotamus | RST38h, trying to use sb :) |
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| 17:07.35 | slonopotamus | :( |
| 17:07.37 | pupnik | there is sb-(tab) |
| 17:07.44 | slonopotamus | okaay |
| 17:07.48 | pupnik | not menu, set iirc |
| 17:07.51 | Corsac | in soviet russia, sb uses you |
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| 17:08.08 | slonopotamus | woah, it builds my thing |
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| 17:09.46 | cehteh | RST38h: i am going to work on a xchat notification light plugin, would you package it with xchat, i have no intention to go the packaging route for this by myself |
| 17:10.28 | RST38h | cehteh: Of course, let me know when you are ready and I will import it. There is a few more little changes pending too |
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| 17:10.42 | RST38h | slonopotamus: I suggest sb2 |
| 17:10.52 | cehteh | ok thanks |
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| 17:11.01 | cehteh | may take a bit |
| 17:11.04 | RST38h | slonopotamus: There you change with maemo-sdk, or supply a few command line parameters to avid going through menus |
| 17:11.24 | RST38h | cehteh: Afaik, it is sufficient to have a shell script that blinks the led, xchat will invoke it |
| 17:11.25 | woglinde | hm |
| 17:11.44 | woglinde | with meego it seems to me that sb/sb2 is dead too |
| 17:11.44 | cehteh | RST38h: not really .. it blinks but you cant turn it properly off |
| 17:11.51 | RST38h | oh, yes |
| 17:12.04 | RST38h | cehteh: it does not invoke the script to cancel it, correct :) |
| 17:12.17 | RST38h | woglinde: remember, we are still at maemo5 |
| 17:12.20 | cehteh | i am going to do this in C, written a xchat plugin before, not really a big deal |
| 17:12.30 | woglinde | rst *g* |
| 17:12.32 | woglinde | I know |
| 17:12.39 | cehteh | there is the hack on t.m.o to hook that script into the sound-playing bing |
| 17:12.40 | RST38h | will probably get to use maeblin toolchains at work soon though |
| 17:12.41 | woglinde | but I live in future sometimes |
| 17:12.55 | kokosz | what are you guys using for irc on n900? irssi or xchat? whats better? |
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| 17:13.03 | RST38h | cehteh: Make sure you do not use any timers. |
| 17:13.16 | cehteh | no i hook it into xchats notification things |
| 17:13.19 | RST38h | cehteh: Any running timer will basically prevent Maemo from sleeping and waste battery |
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| 17:13.44 | RST38h | wonders where qwerty is |
| 17:14.08 | cehteh | thats my intention, doing this in a 'correct' way |
| 17:14.27 | cehteh | hacks dont scale :P |
| 17:14.37 | RST38h | some do =) |
| 17:14.47 | pupnik | who got rid of ctrl-g for bell |
| 17:15.18 | _andy | cahteh i am happy to report it was windows driver weirdness.. flashing in an ubuntu vm worked. |
| 17:15.43 | RST38h | imagines flashing from ubunutu vm and cringes involuntarily |
| 17:17.09 | mgedmin | wow, a vm that supports usb |
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| 17:17.51 | woglinde | RST38h seem he is only available via email |
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| 17:24.49 | red | hmm |
| 17:24.55 | red | after the 1.1.1 update my screen never dims |
| 17:25.00 | red | unless I lock it |
| 17:25.18 | red | anyone experienced the same? |
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| 17:26.57 | valdyn | red: theres an always on switch for the screen, checked that its off? |
| 17:27.03 | red | ofcourse |
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| 17:27.25 | red | i did have flipclock installed priod to update, which had a feature of keeping the screen forced on while it's running |
| 17:27.51 | red | so not quite sure if its a leftover bug from it, i uninstalled it before updating to 1.1.1 |
| 17:27.58 | valdyn | red: could be |
| 17:29.04 | red | it indeed is a bug in flipclock |
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| 17:29.15 | red | ill see if tweaking the dim timeout back and forth resolves it |
| 17:29.41 | red | works yay |
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| 17:41.43 | toggles_w | dazo: thanks, mine was showing a light when i rescued it, so i'm hoping it'll be ok, will know in a few hours |
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| 17:43.01 | pupnik | how often do you use the N900? i keep pulling it out to look up things. maybe 80 times a day |
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| 17:45.04 | woglinde | uahhahaa |
| 17:45.06 | woglinde | http://www.aavamobile.com/ |
| 17:45.12 | woglinde | FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:45.43 | Kegetys | x86 phone... no thanks |
| 17:46.14 | javispedro | capacitive :( |
| 17:46.18 | Wild_Doogy | does Toggles_W stand for toggles_wet as you are currently toggeling your N900's state from "Wet" to "Dry"? |
| 17:46.38 | woglinde | they claim that they are FIRST |
| 17:46.40 | woglinde | thats the point |
| 17:46.42 | Wild_Doogy | lol |
| 17:46.54 | javispedro | ah well, everybody does it these days. |
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| 17:47.12 | javispedro | it's just that they try to follow Apple, but only Apple has the story-rewriting RDF. |
| 17:47.21 | woglinde | okay |
| 17:47.23 | woglinde | bye |
| 17:47.25 | javispedro | ;) |
| 17:47.25 | woglinde | till later |
| 17:47.28 | woglinde | heading home |
| 17:47.42 | Wild_Doogy | javispedro: Why dont you like capacitive? (just curious) |
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| 17:47.57 | javispedro | Wild_Doogy: cause I like a stylus. |
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| 17:48.23 | Wild_Doogy | oh, me too, but I would like to mess with multitouch |
| 17:48.49 | Wild_Doogy | is there such a thing as a capacitive stylus? |
| 17:48.54 | javispedro | fine. But I prefer a stylus to multitouch and as you can guess multitouch with a stylus doesn't make much sense. |
| 17:48.55 | Kegetys | multistylus |
| 17:48.55 | Wild_Doogy | (must be) |
| 17:49.02 | javispedro | there are capacitive stylus, but they all suck. |
| 17:49.10 | javispedro | see the tip. |
| 17:49.11 | Wild_Doogy | oh lol |
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| 17:49.26 | Wild_Doogy | multi-stylus, hahaha |
| 17:49.33 | Wild_Doogy | its called fingernails |
| 17:50.26 | Kegetys | as easy as eating with chopsticks |
| 17:50.38 | SaBer | a sausage works as a capacitive stylus |
| 17:50.46 | Wild_Doogy | hahaha |
| 17:50.56 | Wild_Doogy | rolling on the floor over here |
| 17:51.05 | Wild_Doogy | -smear- |
| 17:51.19 | Wild_Doogy | -click- -smear- |
| 17:51.25 | javispedro | smeegol |
| 17:51.42 | aSIMULAtor | isn't it there was a news article about how koreans are using this type of sausage as a stylus |
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| 17:52.15 | javispedro | lol it's true. |
| 17:52.22 | aSIMULAtor | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/iphone-sausage-stylus-kor_n_459845.html |
| 17:52.22 | javispedro | http://asia.cnet.com/i/r/2010/crave/hp/63016968/iphone_520x347.jpg |
| 17:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, sausage inna bun, anyone? |
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| 17:52.32 | Arkenoi | my pdair case just arrived. |
| 17:52.32 | aSIMULAtor | that's waht she said |
| 17:52.33 | aSIMULAtor | :P |
| 17:52.39 | Wild_Doogy | we develop multi million dollar stylus, Koreans use sausage |
| 17:52.52 | javispedro | Wild_Doogy: s/sausage/$10 sausage/ |
| 17:53.00 | ponyofdeath | hi, wondering if someone could help me out on what process they used to import their contacts from iphone to nokia n900 csv file doesnt work |
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| 17:53.15 | Arkenoi | pros: reasonably good quality, everything is accessible |
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| 17:53.34 | Arkenoi | cons: tick and keyboard is under the transparent film |
| 17:53.48 | javispedro | ...for a moment I though you were talking about the sausage stylus. |
| 17:55.01 | Wild_Doogy | ponyofdeath: I had some luck with contact cards. you end up with hundreds, but it LOOKS like you can combine then all into one card |
| 17:55.23 | Wild_Doogy | .vcf or something |
| 17:55.41 | ponyofdeath | Wild_Doogy: ok cool i think someone documented that http://allurgroceries.com/iphone2n900/ |
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| 17:56.18 | Wild_Doogy | welcome |
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| 17:57.02 | Wild_Doogy | now, can anyone help me get my contacts out of yahoo mail? >_> |
| 17:57.29 | Wild_Doogy | currently it looks like I will be one-by-oneing it |
| 17:57.59 | slonopotamus | Wild_Doogy, no imap/pop3? |
| 17:58.08 | flipouk | Hello |
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| 17:58.45 | flipouk | Is it normal that I haven't got the update to 3.2010.02-8? |
| 17:58.55 | flipouk | I mean on the N900? |
| 17:59.19 | Wild_Doogy | that costs money :-D |
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| 17:59.35 | Wild_Doogy | not @ you flip |
| 17:59.42 | flipouk | ;-) |
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| 17:59.56 | slonopotamus | ... n800 control panel doesn't want to swap to external sd :/ |
| 18:00.29 | flipouk | Sorry, is it the right channel for N900-related discussions? |
| 18:00.34 | Wild_Doogy | yes |
| 18:00.38 | slonopotamus | swapon to resque! |
| 18:00.44 | slonopotamus | flipouk, yep |
| 18:00.49 | flipouk | ok |
| 18:01.01 | smhar | will the new Nokia/Intel alliance kill maemo? will the new Meego be the future of Maemo? will N900 run Meego? |
| 18:01.10 | Wild_Doogy | flip version 3X of what? |
| 18:01.47 | flipouk | Wild_Doogy: I refer to the firmware update, you know the minor one that popped up earlier this week |
| 18:02.24 | Arif | demands a faster app manager in the next firmware :P |
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| 18:02.53 | pupnik | smhar GOTO talk.maemo.org for endless chatter about that |
| 18:03.02 | Wild_Doogy | I should probably see what my version is then |
| 18:03.41 | flipouk | Wild_Doogy: do you mind checking? You would have noticed a firmware update though, wouldn't you? |
| 18:03.45 | ShadowJK | flipouk, it doesn't change anything for maemo5 and n900 |
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| 18:04.03 | flipouk | I am in the UK... Maybe Brits get served later ;-) |
| 18:04.09 | ShadowJK | Probably maemo6 wont be fully meego either |
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| 18:04.42 | javispedro | it's just m6 renamed to meego, this was confirmed previously (they will keep using .deb, etc.) |
| 18:04.51 | ShadowJK | flipouk, got n900 from voda or other operator? |
| 18:05.17 | flipouk | ShadowJK: I bought it directly from Nokia. |
| 18:05.27 | flipouk | And I am on O2 |
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| 18:06.28 | Arif | what's the difference between those firmwares anyway o_o |
| 18:06.28 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 18:06.41 | ShadowJK | arif: nobody knows |
| 18:06.52 | Wild_Doogy | flipouk: I just opened the app manager, and I wants me to update maemo 5 version 3.2010.02-8.002 |
| 18:06.53 | Wild_Doogy | (I cant actualy do that update till I get a SIM card) |
| 18:06.59 | Arif | aw |
| 18:07.05 | ShadowJK | their existence seems to have come as a surprise to some developers even |
| 18:07.22 | ShadowJK | you can't update without simcard? really? |
| 18:07.27 | flipouk | Wild_Doogy: thanks. |
| 18:07.39 | Arif | Nokia should be more open in what they throw at us |
| 18:07.40 | Arif | :d |
| 18:07.45 | Wild_Doogy | yeah, it needs to use the computer, and the windows software gicks out |
| 18:08.00 | flipouk | Arif: the update is reported as being 'minor', no new functionnality |
| 18:08.31 | Arif | I mean the regional differences |
| 18:08.34 | ShadowJK | Wild_Doogy, do you have ioquake installed? |
| 18:08.47 | Wild_Doogy | no actualy |
| 18:08.49 | shinkamui | I struggled with the update |
| 18:08.50 | Wild_Doogy | I should |
| 18:08.54 | shinkamui | finally got it by killing ovi maps |
| 18:08.57 | Wild_Doogy | :-D |
| 18:08.58 | shinkamui | and then apt-get dist-upgrading |
| 18:09.07 | shinkamui | seriously it needs like 50 megs free on root |
| 18:09.17 | Wild_Doogy | ouch |
| 18:09.20 | flipouk | I am forcing a manual check for update, just in case ... |
| 18:09.33 | Arif | I just pressed the orange bulb on the desktop... |
| 18:10.22 | flipouk | Arif: well I was expecting to get this thing at some point as well... but it has not showed up |
| 18:10.35 | ShadowJK | Apparently you cant do ota upgrade if ioquake is installed |
| 18:10.35 | flipouk | argh 'no updates available' |
| 18:10.38 | Arif | it doesn't add anything itneresting |
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| 18:10.52 | Arif | you're not missing out :P |
| 18:10.57 | flipouk | Arif: I guess it correct bugs though |
| 18:11.20 | Arif | you should go through all the trouble when 1.2 comes out |
| 18:11.23 | Arif | =D |
| 18:11.29 | flipouk | Arif: agreed |
| 18:11.49 | Arif | OR if Sygic finally gets released and you really want it... |
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| 18:12.06 | Arif | but somehow I think that won't happen very soon |
| 18:12.19 | flipouk | Arif: what is Sygic? |
| 18:12.30 | Arif | navigation software |
| 18:12.38 | flipouk | ok thx |
| 18:12.51 | Arif | everyone's complaining the N900 can't say out loud you need to drive into a tree |
| 18:12.52 | Arif | :D |
| 18:13.02 | flipouk | ;-) |
| 18:13.06 | ShadowJK | flipouk, it'd be interesting to see the output of: dpkg -l | grep maemo-fremantle |
| 18:13.13 | Wild_Doogy | I assume that there is an Ubuntu updater for the N900. anyone know where it is to be found? |
| 18:13.22 | acidjazz | where can i read about the latest maemo update |
| 18:13.33 | javispedro | on this channel's topic., |
| 18:13.40 | ShadowJK | tablets-dev.nokia.com beware that "updating" with PC actually overwrites |
| 18:13.53 | flipouk | ShadowJK: hang on... |
| 18:14.08 | acidjazz | god i have like nothing installed "not enough memory to upgrade" |
| 18:14.09 | Arif | my only gripe with the device now is the bug I reported and no built in bluetooth sending :D |
| 18:14.22 | ShadowJK | the reason it says use pc is because something you installed conflicts |
| 18:14.38 | Wild_Doogy | oh? |
| 18:15.01 | Arif | wonders if there's a way to request a feature in petrovich... |
| 18:15.05 | acidjazz | javispedro: which part of hte topic theres 80 urls |
| 18:15.06 | Wild_Doogy | so the computer will then force the update, killing whatever is in the way |
| 18:15.14 | flipouk | ShadowJK: dpkg -l | grep maemo-fremantle doesn't return anything on my N900 ... |
| 18:15.23 | javispedro | acidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1 |
| 18:16.07 | acidjazz | graci |
| 18:16.54 | ShadowJK | flipouk: so somehow you've ended up removing it I think... |
| 18:17.00 | acidjazz | ive freed up like 200mb still nto enough room |
| 18:17.15 | flipouk | Don't tell me you need Windows to do a firmware upgrade!!!! :-( |
| 18:17.22 | ShadowJK | what happens if you try apt-get install maemo-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 18:17.36 | ShadowJK | acidjazz: space on /: df -h / |
| 18:17.46 | flipouk | ShadowJK: hang on I try... |
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| 18:18.56 | javispedro | wow, there have been like a shitload of "open device" announcements |
| 18:19.10 | javispedro | now this http://www.openpeak.com/OpenTablet7.php |
| 18:19.37 | javispedro | toshiba also is shipping some kind of 7-8''ish tablet, I found it at a shop yesterday! |
| 18:19.37 | ShadowJK | acidjazz, disable extras-testing and extras-devel. just having them enabled consumes lots of space |
| 18:19.45 | Wild_Doogy | looks like Apple and thier "this software is closed, and sucks to be you" might be on a decline |
| 18:19.46 | acidjazz | ShadowJK: ugh 33.6mb |
| 18:19.49 | flipouk | ShadowJK: it can't find the package |
| 18:20.02 | acidjazz | ShadowJK: ok |
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| 18:20.19 | flipouk | ShadowJK: I attempt a apt-get update |
| 18:21.08 | ShadowJK | oops |
| 18:21.08 | acidjazz | the phones has f'ing 32gb's when is it going to fix this |
| 18:21.27 | ShadowJK | I was wrong, it's mp-fremantle-genric-pr |
| 18:21.35 | ShadowJK | not maemo-... |
| 18:21.40 | flipouk | ShadowJK: ok |
| 18:22.18 | Wild_Doogy | looks like battery-eye may have made it out of extras-devel |
| 18:22.27 | Wild_Doogy | its called battery graph |
| 18:22.33 | flipouk | apt-cache search mp-fremantle-generic-pr doesn't return anything |
| 18:22.52 | flipouk | even after apt-get update |
| 18:23.29 | flipouk | apt-cache search mp-fremantle returns: |
| 18:23.35 | flipouk | mp-fremantle-203-pr |
| 18:23.46 | flipouk | ShadowJK: do you reckon I shall install mp-fremantle-203-pr? |
| 18:24.14 | ShadowJK | is it installed? |
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| 18:24.36 | flipouk | ShadowJK: yes |
| 18:24.43 | flipouk | dpkg -l | grep mp-freman |
| 18:24.48 | flipouk | ii mp-fremantle-203-pr 2.2009.51-1.203.2 |
| 18:24.52 | ShadowJK | ah ok |
| 18:25.11 | ShadowJK | wonders what 203 is |
| 18:25.20 | ShadowJK | pings timeless_mbp |
| 18:25.26 | timeless_mbp | pong |
| 18:25.32 | timeless_mbp | england iirc |
| 18:25.45 | mtnbkr | ShadowJK: I am in the same boat as acidjazz... I have about 37MB free on / and have disabled just about all the catalogs in the app manager... is there a (simple) way to see what apps are installed that are not "optified" |
| 18:25.55 | mtnbkr | or are taking up space on / |
| 18:26.00 | timeless_mbp | if it isn't England, it might be a vendor in England |
| 18:26.14 | flipouk | ShadowJK: '203' stands for England? |
| 18:26.26 | flipouk | timeless_mbp: ok |
| 18:26.43 | nidO | 203 is the uk unbranded version |
| 18:26.43 | timeless_mbp | why ask me? :) |
| 18:26.48 | nidO | 205 is uk vodafone network |
| 18:27.10 | timeless_mbp | btw people should replace their 20x with a normal non England version |
| 18:27.14 | timeless_mbp | they'll get faster updates |
| 18:27.22 | timeless_mbp | and less poorly tested variant crud |
| 18:27.26 | nidO | or nokia could just release them with the rest of the world |
| 18:27.38 | nidO | or at least explain why they feel the need to delay it |
| 18:27.40 | flipouk | nidO: ok this makes sense, I bought my N900 directly from Nokia UK, in Regent Street, London |
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| 18:28.09 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, I pinged you because I had a memory of you trying to figure out thee story behind the regional variants |
| 18:28.12 | timeless_mbp | nidO: the reason is that the variants are created by a group of people who barely exist |
| 18:28.23 | nidO | so why does nokia create them in the first place? |
| 18:28.27 | timeless_mbp | and are terrible at communicating which version they want to publish |
| 18:28.30 | timeless_mbp | nidO: well |
| 18:28.34 | timeless_mbp | first you create the baseline |
| 18:28.39 | nidO | 203 is the *UNBRANDED* uk version, sold by nokia themselves |
| 18:28.41 | timeless_mbp | then you create the basic england variant |
| 18:28.57 | timeless_mbp | then you work with the operator to derive a variant from your england baseline |
| 18:29.05 | nidO | no. |
| 18:29.06 | nidO | read. |
| 18:29.09 | Arif | why do the Brits need their own version :P |
| 18:29.10 | nidO | 203 isnt an operater variant |
| 18:29.13 | timeless_mbp | the england variant enables the variants team to test variants |
| 18:29.19 | timeless_mbp | nidO: it's still a variant |
| 18:29.23 | nidO | its totally unbranded, unrelated to operators |
| 18:29.26 | timeless_mbp | in that there's a "variants team" |
| 18:29.31 | nidO | but its only a variant because nokia choose to make it one. |
| 18:29.36 | X-Fade | Arif: Other regulations for instance. |
| 18:29.38 | timeless_mbp | which is responsible for producing both it and the normal operator variants |
| 18:29.43 | nidO | they made it a variant for no good reason, and no arent updating it. |
| 18:29.59 | timeless_mbp | nidO: oh, it's useful |
| 18:30.02 | Arif | can't you just put those settings in the selected region? |
| 18:30.03 | nidO | if they make the variant and apply it on english phones they sell, it's their responsibility to keep it up to date with the rest of the world as well |
| 18:30.11 | timeless_mbp | how else would we know that we can or can't make a variant for an operator? :) |
| 18:30.15 | X-Fade | nidO: UK has other rules for FM transmitter iirc. Things like that differ. |
| 18:30.17 | timeless_mbp | you have to test this stuff somehow |
| 18:30.35 | timeless_mbp | nidO: so complain to nokia care |
| 18:30.43 | nidO | potential differences between the uk and global firmware have been investigated to death by uk users |
| 18:30.48 | nidO | and there's no discernable difference |
| 18:30.49 | timeless_mbp | and get your british friends to complain too |
| 18:31.06 | nidO | been there, done that |
| 18:31.06 | X-Fade | nidO: Then just install generic? |
| 18:31.07 | timeless_mbp | nidO: i certainly don't know of any useful difference |
| 18:31.15 | timeless_mbp | but you really should just install generic |
| 18:31.16 | Trizt | damn upgrade broke my volume button, it works just for a while after reboot |
| 18:31.19 | timeless_mbp | i've said that repeatedly |
| 18:32.09 | nidO | I have, but the fact remains that there's no logic in nokia selling nokia phones with a variant firmware that's only used for phones sold by nokia in one country, and nokia then doesnt update it, virtually forcing users to have to potentially void their phone's warranty by flashing to a different firmware. |
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| 18:32.43 | timeless_mbp | i'm pretty certain flashing firmware doesn't void the warranty |
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| 18:32.45 | X-Fade | nidO: It does get updated, it is just a different team. Working a bit slower ;) |
| 18:32.48 | timeless_mbp | but i won't argue that it isn't stupid |
| 18:32.51 | nidO | you'd think it wouldnt |
| 18:32.54 | nidO | nokia care thinks it does |
| 18:33.05 | timeless_mbp | so complain to ari |
| 18:33.10 | timeless_mbp | he has a public blog |
| 18:33.10 | nidO | despite it being a nokia firmware flashed using a nokia tool to a nokia device |
| 18:33.13 | timeless_mbp | flame him |
| 18:33.26 | Trizt | had to flash his girlfriends phone as the one sold in sweden didn't support traditional Chinese |
| 18:33.34 | ensi | hello, anyone know how to categorize a project in "trove software mape". the email says to go to "project page and select 'Project Admin'" which doesn't exist |
| 18:33.42 | timeless_mbp | it's worth noting that nokia care is not perfect |
| 18:33.45 | timeless_mbp | i've caught them screwing up |
| 18:33.49 | nidO | I noticed. |
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| 18:34.12 | timeless_mbp | when they mess up: |
| 18:34.13 | timeless_mbp | 1. document it |
| 18:34.17 | timeless_mbp | 2. demand to speak to a manager |
| 18:34.20 | timeless_mbp | 3. document it |
| 18:34.40 | javispedro | timeless: oh, that will get handy for me soon, when I get my n900 back. |
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| 18:37.24 | flipouk | ok so it is just a matter of waiting a little bit. no big deal. thanks guys |
| 18:37.46 | timeless_mbp | flipouk: please do complain to nokia care |
| 18:37.53 | timeless_mbp | you need X people to fill a bucket |
| 18:38.02 | timeless_mbp | if you fill the bucket (best to overflow), it will get raised faster |
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| 18:38.09 | timeless_mbp | and people will try to force things to happen faster |
| 18:39.19 | flipouk | timeless_mbp: well to be honest I don't a good reason to complain so far... |
| 18:39.32 | timeless_mbp | flipouk: you spent 20mins of our time |
| 18:39.38 | timeless_mbp | do us a favor and spend 10mins of nokia care's time |
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| 18:40.39 | nidO | flipouk it's also worth noting that this delayed update is minor and doesnt really bring much - when the 1.2 update gets delayed by 1/2/3/4 days/weeks/months for your firmware it's going to hurt more |
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| 18:41.06 | timeless_mbp | 9yeah |
| 18:41.20 | timeless_mbp | you really should take this as an opportunity to try to grease the wheels for the next one |
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| 18:41.48 | flipouk | timeless_mbp: do you think that it's a big problem to get an update a littli bit late? |
| 18:42.04 | timeless_mbp | consider that sometimes it's a security update |
| 18:42.10 | timeless_mbp | because e.g. your web browser is exploitable |
| 18:42.22 | timeless_mbp | if you don't care about the data on your device, then that's fine |
| 18:42.35 | flipouk | timeless_mbp: you have a point... |
| 18:43.02 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 18:43.05 | nidO | from a joe home user standpoint as well though flipouk, the 1.2 update will also bring qt4.6 which will ultimately = significant functionality improvements in the form of tons more extra software |
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| 18:43.18 | nidO | none of which will be usable without the update |
| 18:43.19 | timeless_mbp | that won't install on pre 1.2 :) |
| 18:44.09 | Arkenoi | wonders if DataViz is going to release a full editor version of DtG |
| 18:44.09 | flipouk | ok. let's find out how to contact nokia care then... |
| 18:44.36 | ruskie | cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02cache |
| 18:44.36 | ruskie | Dir::Cache::archives "/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/"; |
| 18:44.45 | ruskie | adding that helps with apt-get still having room on / |
| 18:44.46 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:44.53 | ruskie | I do wonder why nokia doesn't do that by default |
| 18:45.21 | mtnbkr | ok, I am confused. /opt is not mounted separately. df -h shows / has 39.5M free. du -h /opt/rovio shows 18.5M - remove angry birds via app mgr and /opt/rovio is now gone, but now df -h shows 39.0M free makes no sense any ideas? |
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| 18:45.39 | ruskie | mtnbkr, /opt is a symlink to /home/opt |
| 18:45.48 | timeless_mbp | ruskie: i think we will for .next |
| 18:45.56 | timeless_mbp | not certain, ask konttori tomorrow |
| 18:46.14 | ruskie | so unless /home is mounted everything will get put on / |
| 18:46.49 | mtnbkr | ruskie: Jesus Christ, I am retarded. I forgot to look for that,... sigh... thanks <facepalms> |
| 18:47.45 | mtnbkr | was working quickyl from slide out k/b before sshing in... much better now. but I am still unable to get ~50M free on / for update |
| 18:48.01 | ruskie | mtnbkr, first do: apt-get clean |
| 18:48.11 | ruskie | then edit: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02cache |
| 18:48.15 | ruskie | and put in: Dir::Cache::archives "/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/"; |
| 18:48.23 | ruskie | that will certainly help with apt :) |
| 18:48.52 | simoneb_ | mtnbkr: i found a script on the forums to check which packages take the most of rootfs. i've found out that the bigger for me were angry birds, aisleriot and wikihow. you could give it a try |
| 18:48.56 | mtnbkr | ruskie: does that help the app manager (which I believe to be using apt in the bavckground) |
| 18:49.09 | ruskie | ham actually already puts things into: /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/ |
| 18:49.15 | ruskie | still apt-get clean might help you out a bit |
| 18:49.39 | mtnbkr | simoneb_: heh I just deleted angry birds and then more space was used on / very strange. apt-get clean got my up to 40.2M though |
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| 18:50.12 | simoneb_ | mtnbkr: removed every repo except the first 3? |
| 18:50.26 | simoneb_ | mtnbkr: cleared .debs in dpkg's cache? |
| 18:50.45 | ruskie | you only really need: ssu/apps and ssu/mr0 |
| 18:50.51 | X-Fade | mtnbkr: And reboot your device, can help too. |
| 18:50.58 | acidjazz | lol what are these frenzy games |
| 18:51.00 | acidjazz | are they wack |
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| 18:51.09 | mtnbkr | simoneb_: yep... only 1st two repos enabled right now |
| 18:52.04 | mtnbkr | simoneb_: being a gentoo user, debian's apt and dpkg stuff is a little new to me... how, where are these .debs |
| 18:52.19 | ruskie | apt-get clean should have cleaned those out |
| 18:52.36 | simoneb_ | mtnbkr: uhm... should be /var/cache/apt iirc |
| 18:52.57 | greenfly | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:53.09 | mtnbkr | lol just removed the "maemo tools" catalog and am back down to 39.9M heh |
| 18:53.17 | mtnbkr | simoneb_ greenfly thanks... will check there too |
| 18:53.32 | ruskie | mtnbkr, do you have /home mounted? |
| 18:53.32 | greenfly | but that will only come into play if you had fun with apt-get on the command line |
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| 18:54.10 | mtnbkr | greenfly: I think I only apt-got one or maybe two packages so far. |
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| 18:54.47 | mtnbkr | nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives/ except lock file and empty "partial" dir |
| 18:54.53 | greenfly | then don't worry about it |
| 18:54.58 | ruskie | apt-get clean cleaned that out for you :) |
| 18:55.01 | mtnbkr | yep |
| 18:55.01 | greenfly | other culprits: unused themes in /usr/share/themes/ |
| 18:55.05 | greenfly | abiword |
| 18:55.23 | Arif | bah |
| 18:55.24 | greenfly | other -devel packages |
| 18:55.26 | Arif | kmplayer really sucks |
| 18:55.31 | mtnbkr | ahh I bet themes is the one... I have a couple installed I think |
| 18:55.32 | simoneb_ | mtnbkr: i used those scripts to check for non-optified packages http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=500101&postcount=7 |
| 18:55.33 | cehteh | still figuring out how to solve lvl15 in angry birds with more than 60k points ... |
| 18:55.36 | ruskie | Arif, better then sib |
| 18:55.45 | Arif | I'm trying that one now |
| 18:56.00 | Arif | KMPlayer likes to just stop playing media if you go do something else :P |
| 18:56.18 | ruskie | hmm used to keep playing for me |
| 18:56.45 | X-Fade | saw a TV ad for the N900 on one of our major channels. |
| 18:57.06 | andre__ | uh? |
| 18:57.12 | ruskie | ? |
| 18:57.17 | X-Fade | Yesterday too. |
| 18:57.54 | Arif | where are you? |
| 18:57.59 | X-Fade | NL |
| 18:58.14 | Arif | was it before/after RTL boulevard? :P |
| 18:58.34 | X-Fade | Arif: yes. |
| 18:58.43 | Arif | you should find something better to watch :P |
| 18:59.02 | X-Fade | Arif: Research of course :) |
| 18:59.18 | Arif | doesn't have Dutch channels himself :p |
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| 18:59.24 | Arif | only TMobile web 'n walk tv |
| 18:59.34 | X-Fade | Arif: And how did you know about it then :D |
| 18:59.45 | Arif | someone told me :O |
| 18:59.53 | Arif | "I saw your phone on RTL" |
| 18:59.54 | X-Fade | Sure.. |
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| 19:00.26 | Arif | and I read it on tweakers :P |
| 19:00.26 | mtnbkr | cehteh: I wonder if my angry birds scores are gone since I removed AB I see no .angrybirds or .rovio dir in my ~/ nor my ~/MyDocs :( |
| 19:00.50 | X-Fade | mtnbkr: reflash == scores gone. |
| 19:02.00 | satmd | try ~/.config and ~/.local, too |
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| 19:04.40 | mtnbkr | satmd: :( only wormux and some other stuff inthere (and I already removed wormux app) That means I need to replay all my AB levels. :) |
| 19:05.08 | satmd | :) |
| 19:07.25 | ruskie | mtnbkr, do: apt-get remove wormux-data |
| 19:07.41 | ruskie | hates HAM... can we get a NORMAL apt frontend aready |
| 19:08.24 | arachnist | why a front end? |
| 19:08.30 | arachnist | frontend* |
| 19:08.30 | cehteh | yes, yum for meego :P |
| 19:08.55 | ruskie | arachnist, because there are "normal" people that use it :) |
| 19:09.08 | arachnist | orly? ;) |
| 19:10.08 | ruskie | cehteh, yum or apt-get... doesn't really matter |
| 19:10.36 | ruskie | when it comes to binary they all suck anyway :) |
| 19:11.19 | arachnist | well |
| 19:11.29 | arachnist | at least rpm spec files are not a hell to write |
| 19:11.37 | ruskie | haven't really tried |
| 19:11.57 | arachnist | i've written/modified quite a few |
| 19:12.41 | ruskie | but if it's any better then the hack ad infinitum that are debian packages it's probably easier |
| 19:13.08 | cehteh | notes nixos ... |
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| 19:16.50 | RST38h | Supercover Insurance is alleging that many iPhone owners are deliberately smashing their devices and filing false claims in order to upgrade to the latest model. The gadget insurance company told Sky News Sunday that it saw a 50-percent rise in claims during the month Apple launched the latest version, the iPhone 3GS.' |
| 19:17.16 | javispedro | and of course the insurance companies are at fault here. |
| 19:17.24 | javispedro | half life on a iphone-like device: 6 months |
| 19:17.31 | javispedro | s/on/of |
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| 19:17.55 | RST38h | javispedro: N900 included? |
| 19:17.59 | javispedro | definitely |
| 19:18.01 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:18.10 | RST38h | javispedro: depressive |
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| 19:19.58 | mtnbkr | simoneb_: BAM ->> perl -I. checkpkgs.pl 6564adobe-flashplayer 6M sheesh |
| 19:20.08 | ruskie | lol |
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| 19:20.28 | mtnbkr | ...and I. HATE. FLASH. |
| 19:20.49 | Xisdibik_n900 | hater! |
| 19:20.50 | ruskie | rootfs 227.8M 196.6M 27.0M 88% / <-- and I've removed a ton of things |
| 19:20.51 | javispedro | dpkg --purge to the rescue |
| 19:21.04 | ruskie | among them flash, mediaplayer and a ton of others |
| 19:21.13 | ruskie | mtnbkr, btw have any custom boot videos? |
| 19:21.22 | mtnbkr | I am apt-get removing it... (at least for now) |
| 19:21.26 | mtnbkr | ruskie: nope |
| 19:21.26 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.39 | RST38h | oh really? |
| 19:21.45 | RST38h | all repos disabled, no apps? |
| 19:21.48 | Xisdibik_n900 | you are javispedro! |
| 19:21.57 | ruskie | javispedro, lol... I at a time had 180 free I think :) |
| 19:21.57 | RST38h | or have you moved stuff to the memory card? |
| 19:22.02 | javispedro | no, I'm lying. |
| 19:22.05 | javispedro | this is n810 :( |
| 19:22.08 | javispedro | the dangers of ssh. |
| 19:22.19 | ruskie | but since n900 requires stuff from /usr I can't do that anymore |
| 19:22.48 | Wild_Doogy | apt-get --purge removed all installed programs? |
| 19:22.50 | Wild_Doogy | :-D |
| 19:23.00 | Wild_Doogy | *removes |
| 19:23.05 | ruskie | nope |
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| 19:23.13 | ruskie | just removes any cruft left behind |
| 19:23.19 | zash | config files and such |
| 19:23.29 | adeus | that does nothing |
| 19:23.33 | adeus | without a package |
| 19:24.57 | Wild_Doogy | does the n810 have a larger rootfs? |
| 19:25.14 | ruskie | iirc it has SD cards only |
| 19:25.25 | ruskie | or does it? |
| 19:25.34 | mtnbkr | lol http://pastebin.ca/1800390 I guess it is easier to just temporarily move the libflashplayer.so file to /home/user, update then move it back.. hah |
| 19:25.56 | javispedro | ruskie: see my df -h line, it seems to have a slightly larger rootfs (probably due to less jffs2 overhead) |
| 19:26.18 | ShadowJK | N810 has same root size as N900. N810 however has no /opt |
| 19:26.21 | ruskie | well n900 uses ubifs |
| 19:27.17 | javispedro | yeah, that's what I mean. less jffs2 overhead when compared to ubifs |
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| 19:27.58 | simoneb_ | i've noticed that the n900 uses a 64kb block size or it's me? |
| 19:28.01 | mtnbkr | wonders why storage space is always so limited on devices... isn;t flash mem cheap yet. |
| 19:28.26 | javispedro | raw nand isn't cheap seems. |
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| 19:31.18 | simoneb_ | in italy, we'll soon have a tax for that. |
| 19:32.05 | simoneb_ | was around 0.80€ per GB or so. it doesn't apply to mobile phones and mp3 players (for now) |
| 19:32.08 | ruskie | simoneb_, you mean "pirate" tax |
| 19:32.15 | ruskie | we've had that for a while |
| 19:32.21 | ruskie | and a few others as well |
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| 19:32.45 | simoneb_ | ruskie: really? where? |
| 19:33.14 | ruskie | right side of italy :) |
| 19:33.41 | ruskie | small little country :) |
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| 19:34.15 | simoneb_ | like in croatia... or like in predappio? |
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| 19:34.26 | ruskie | croatia is small ??? |
| 19:34.37 | RST38h | depends on what you compare it with |
| 19:34.47 | ruskie | you sure you're looking at the right map ? ;) |
| 19:35.10 | ruskie | it's stuck between Italy, Austria, Hungary and Croatia |
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| 19:35.55 | simoneb_ | slovenia? |
| 19:35.58 | ruskie | bingo |
| 19:36.07 | ruskie | I did say small :) |
| 19:36.15 | simoneb_ | not that croatia is that bigger :P |
| 19:36.57 | simoneb_ | dinner |
| 19:37.15 | ruskie | 20000 km^2 vs 56000 km^2 |
| 19:37.27 | Proteous | wifi bug seemes to be fixed for me |
| 19:37.43 | Proteous | woot, no more rebboting after using wifi |
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| 19:46.51 | mtnbkr | sweet! update went fine, re-installed Angry birds and my scores are all there. :) |
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| 19:57.02 | slonopotamus | so. |
| 19:57.12 | luke-jr | so no u |
| 19:57.18 | slonopotamus | how i do that your 'optification'? |
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| 19:58.53 | wazd | "you have been unsubscribed from the Meego-Dev mailing list" |
| 19:58.58 | wazd | thank god :) |
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| 19:59.15 | RST38h | moos at wazd for not unchecking that box in his meego profile to begin with |
| 19:59.22 | RST38h | wazd: how is iTheme? =) |
| 19:59.22 | inz | wazd, the list should be renamed to rpm-vs-deb |
| 20:01.28 | wazd | RST38h: well, currently I have to do something for money quickly :D |
| 20:01.33 | ToiletOil | wth. I edited the files in /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html/, but the edits persist even after I've restored them to the originals |
| 20:01.38 | wazd | RST38h: cause I really want to eat :) |
| 20:01.57 | RST38h | wazd: figured things out with Roman? |
| 20:02.05 | wazd | RST38h: nope |
| 20:02.12 | wazd | RST38h: whatever |
| 20:02.59 | RST38h | wazd: I am not getting why it shouldbe so difficult :) |
| 20:03.36 | wazd | RST38h: me too actually :) |
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| 20:04.29 | RST38h | wazd: Will go to US on march 4th and *ask* =) |
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| 20:05.08 | javispedro | even if you choose "digest" at the subscription form, I'm getting 20 or 30 digests _per day_ |
| 20:05.25 | javispedro | I wonder if it said "hourly digest" somewhere. |
| 20:05.30 | wazd | RST38h: but anyway, all that delays blew up my budget a bit :) |
| 20:05.33 | RST38h | javispedro: did I tell you how I hate mailing lists? :) |
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| 20:05.47 | RST38h | wazd: I think we have to organize it differently |
| 20:05.53 | javispedro | RST38h: I'm just waiting for gmane to subscribe to it (sent email already) |
| 20:06.27 | wazd | javispedro: seriously, MeeGo-Dev is currently a spam generator :) |
| 20:06.37 | Arkenoi | Is there a way to switch keyboard layouts in easydebian applications? |
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| 20:06.45 | javispedro | yes, I'm worried that gmane staff may deduce it's a spam list >:) |
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| 20:07.11 | RST38h | javispedro: I would unsubscribe and wait for archives to become available on the web |
| 20:07.18 | SWFu64 | Anyone have their update yet in the UK? |
| 20:07.23 | SWFu64 | Still nothing here |
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| 20:08.40 | SpeedEvil | SWFu64: nothing here too. (uk) |
| 20:08.48 | SpeedEvil | (though I last tried a couple of hours ago) |
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| 20:09.20 | SWFu64 | Nothing as of about 30 seconds either |
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| 20:14.20 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: you still have the uk firmware? |
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| 20:15.15 | wazd | wow |
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| 20:15.18 | wazd | now that's cool |
| 20:15.53 | wazd | Windows 7 uses taskbar glow according to the icon color |
| 20:16.06 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: ? |
| 20:16.11 | javispedro | "MeeGo-dev Digest, Vol 1, Issue 36". sigh. |
| 20:16.14 | javispedro | 36 times today. |
| 20:16.30 | wazd | seriously, wow! |
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| 20:16.49 | javispedro | wazd: yes, but they had to fix the "autodetection" for some of the builtin apps =) |
| 20:16.49 | El_Angelo | wazd: wtf do we care about win7? |
| 20:16.57 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: apparently the unknown people who do the castration, erm, variants havent done anything yet |
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| 20:17.49 | wazd | El_Angelo: I don't know why you care :) |
| 20:18.01 | dassu | Does n900 automatically save location information to the pictures? |
| 20:18.15 | wazd | javispedro: seriously, that doesn't look like microsoft at all. Such a subliminal move |
| 20:18.43 | javispedro | wazd: I remember they advertised that well on the first w7 days |
| 20:18.49 | SpeedEvil | dassu: if you ask it to |
| 20:18.55 | wazd | javispedro: oh :) |
| 20:18.58 | javispedro | wazd: it all looks very appleish to me |
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| 20:19.24 | javispedro | wazd: in fact I kept seeing the first os x dock with their uniform color per each dock item |
| 20:19.47 | javispedro | (those were not "autodetected" but hardcodec iirc) |
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| 20:20.48 | wazd | javispedro: pidgin has purple glow! wow! :D |
| 20:21.03 | javispedro | hehe |
| 20:21.11 | javispedro | they had to hardcode the wmp color. |
| 20:21.18 | javispedro | or the cpanel one, I don't remember. |
| 20:21.22 | dassu | SpeedEvil: what is the default value? |
| 20:21.35 | SpeedEvil | dassu: I don't remember. |
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| 20:24.02 | Pgrodt | can anyone help me get locate (or slocate or mlocate) installed? it complains about busybox's findutils package. |
| 20:25.04 | dassu | SpeedEvil: But "exiv2 pr" should show the values if it was there ? In other words: The geodata is saved in the exif ? |
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| 20:26.07 | SpeedEvil | dassu: if it's there at all |
| 20:26.20 | dassu | cool :) |
| 20:26.29 | dassu | Well, I ended up doing exiv2 rm just in case |
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| 20:27.43 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4259431966/meta/ |
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| 20:29.10 | slonopotamus | where i find docs on optification? |
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| 20:29.58 | t-tan | Pgrodt: if you're talking about my findutils-gnu package, I'm about to upload a new version |
| 20:30.23 | hrw | morning |
| 20:31.52 | Pgrodt | t-tan: i briefly saw the existence of it, but didnt try installing it, since i wasnt sure if it was what i needed. |
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| 20:32.55 | t-tan | Pgrodt: the locate package of it is completely untested and probably not good for battery life when updatedb runs |
| 20:33.30 | simoneb_ | slonopotamus: what kind of docs? |
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| 20:35.01 | slonopotamus | simoneb_, on its usage |
| 20:35.05 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 20:35.22 | slonopotamus | tex-common cannot poostinst in sb. |
| 20:35.29 | slonopotamus | have workaround? |
| 20:36.42 | simoneb_ | slonopotamus: i think there is no "usage" for optification. optification means that most/all of a package should stand in /opt, so, as a developer you should take care to place every file in /opt, and use references to there in your code |
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| 20:37.41 | lcuk | slonopotamus, gitorious maemo-optify has a writeup |
| 20:37.49 | slonopotamus | simoneb_, there's maemo-optify package that somehow hellps with this |
| 20:37.54 | slonopotamus | lcuk, k |
| 20:38.06 | Pgrodt | t-tan: presuming its just done through cron, i just intended to remove the job and call updatedb manually as needed. |
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| 20:48.39 | Jef91 | So, I am trying to install the latest maemo update |
| 20:48.48 | Jef91 | and it keeps telling me there is not enough space in my target location |
| 20:48.59 | Jef91 | my rootfs has more space open than the update requires |
| 20:49.05 | woglinde | re |
| 20:49.14 | Arnoldthebat | jef, remove extras development etc |
| 20:49.27 | Arnoldthebat | to free up rootfs |
| 20:49.39 | Jef91 | My root fs has 30megs open |
| 20:49.43 | Jef91 | the update is 16 megs |
| 20:49.46 | Jef91 | how many does it need?... |
| 20:49.47 | nidO | needs 43 |
| 20:49.48 | woglinde | apt-get purge mught help |
| 20:49.54 | Arnoldthebat | dont work like that |
| 20:49.56 | woglinde | jef packaged |
| 20:50.04 | Jef91 | ahh gay |
| 20:50.08 | Arnoldthebat | 40 plus needed |
| 20:50.08 | valdyn | Jef91: its 16 + unpacked packages, not just 16 |
| 20:50.09 | woglinde | unpacked it will be more |
| 20:50.09 | Jef91 | Fucking Nokia |
| 20:50.16 | _andy | anyone had luck resizing the root partition with parted? |
| 20:50.16 | Arnoldthebat | niiice |
| 20:50.17 | RST38h | in what position? |
| 20:50.36 | RST38h | andy: Sorry, but why would you resize root partition? |
| 20:50.37 | woglinde | _andy why? |
| 20:50.49 | RST38h | You cannot make it much bigger and it makes no sense to make it even smaller |
| 20:50.52 | woglinde | optif is running quiet well |
| 20:50.53 | _andy | woglinde: so that they didn't have to micromanage drive space on it in order to install a nokia update :P |
| 20:50.53 | Jef91 | RST38h because it is retarded being only 256 egs? |
| 20:51.05 | nidO | got a better solution? |
| 20:51.14 | woglinde | jef91 which is enough for most stuff |
| 20:51.17 | RST38h | Jef: No, I asked in what position you were fucking Nokia |
| 20:51.18 | _andy | symlinking to a seperate device is messy.. |
| 20:51.18 | Pgrodt | its retarded....but fast! ;) |
| 20:51.43 | valdyn | _andy: symlinks are messy? how? |
| 20:51.52 | valdyn | _andy: would bind mounts make you happy? |
| 20:51.54 | hrw | Preparing to replace mp-fremantle-generic-pr 2.2009.51-1.hrw0 (using .../mp-fremantle-generic-pr_3.2010.02-8.hrw1_all.deb) ... |
| 20:52.14 | hrw | so users of my modest build are able to upgrade to pr1.1.1 |
| 20:52.16 | _andy | valdyn: no.. i suppose just when they break it can be confusing. |
| 20:52.17 | ShadowJK | python uses bind mounts ;-) |
| 20:52.27 | RST38h | hrw: that is your own version of metaupdate that includes modest fixes? |
| 20:52.32 | RST38h | oh ok |
| 20:52.59 | ShadowJK | Jef91, disable extras-testing and extras-devel. Having them enabled uses about 20megs. |
| 20:53.11 | woglinde | run apt-get clean |
| 20:53.21 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Actually, the master hint is to remove libqt4 |
| 20:53.39 | ShadowJK | _andy, the device is 256megs big. I believe it's a 256/256 chip, and probably the biggest one available (in volume) at the time N900 was designed? |
| 20:53.45 | RST38h | ShadowJK: And use apt-get to update, as it shows more information about the failure |
| 20:53.45 | GeneralAntilles | So, did anybody poke the new apt sources to figure out what Nokia broke for PR1.1.1? |
| 20:53.54 | ShadowJK | RST38h, that removes maemo-fremantle-pr ? |
| 20:54.12 | RST38h | General: Or, better, use the old apt binary to leech commercial stuff =) |
| 20:54.14 | _andy | ShadowJK. oh.. i se.. |
| 20:54.16 | RST38h | hehes |
| 20:54.23 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, that was my thought. |
| 20:54.35 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, watching Nokia try to secure this stuff is pathetic. |
| 20:55.01 | RST38h | ShadowJK: well, looks like maemo-fremantle-pr (new one) has some problems with certain qt4 installations, they have to be manually purged |
| 20:55.09 | ShadowJK | So can't they do per-device authentication with the magic used for the nokia binaries.. |
| 20:55.18 | RST38h | General: To think of it, you can probably access stuff with firefox :) |
| 20:55.35 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, also likely. |
| 20:55.57 | RST38h | General: But yes, they definitely need a guy who understands what he is doing. Whoever is doing systems design for Ovi right now is not up to the task |
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| 20:57.16 | _andy | so is there going to be MeeGo firmware? |
| 20:57.20 | _andy | (not trolling) |
| 20:57.24 | RST38h | no. |
| 20:57.27 | RST38h | (trolling) |
| 20:57.37 | hrw | RST38h: waiting for pr1.2 to provide newer modest packages |
| 20:57.48 | ShadowJK | _andy, if anything meego makes the N900's future look better than it did before |
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| 20:58.03 | ShadowJK | Officially, meego changes nothing for N900 |
| 20:58.04 | RST38h | ironically, yes |
| 20:58.51 | _andy | ShadowJK: i was just wondering if nokia had announced any plans to push it out to the N900 as a firmware update. |
| 20:58.53 | Arkenoi | hmmm |
| 20:59.05 | Arkenoi | i asked some people to test d2g on the iphone |
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| 20:59.11 | ShadowJK | _andy, Nope. They hadn't announced any plans for Maemo 6 on N900 either. |
| 20:59.15 | Arkenoi | seems that they have WAY better implementeation |
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| 20:59.20 | Arkenoi | that sucks! |
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| 20:59.29 | GeneralAntilles | _andy, whether Nokia does it or not is fairly irrelevant. |
| 20:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | _andy, it's going to happen one way or another. |
| 21:00.07 | ShadowJK | 's battery was 10% higher this evening than "normally", placebo effect of 1.1.1 in action |
| 21:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | Some power consumption related issues were fixed |
| 21:00.57 | Jef91 | is here a way I can check which packages I have are from devel/using root space? |
| 21:01.02 | _andy | can i shield my N900 from gamma ray bursts? |
| 21:01.03 | Jef91 | I forget which I took from there... |
| 21:01.16 | hrw | I think that nokia will not add n900 into meego. community may add it and build/maintain kind of meego/n900 HE |
| 21:02.10 | hrw | this way they do not have to do anything |
| 21:02.41 | pupnik__ | cough ... mer... |
| 21:03.00 | Stskeeps | pupnik__: i'm pretty much telling people to contribute to meego |
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| 21:06.45 | ShadowJK | stskeeps: I was thinking earlier that meego makes Mer obsolete in many ways |
| 21:07.11 | RST38h | Nothing prevents Sts from basing nexrt mer on meego |
| 21:07.21 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i don't mind, it's a fullfilment of most hopes we had and goals. |
| 21:07.28 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 21:07.38 | slonopotamus | err |
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| 21:08.04 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: it doesn't mean there's no reason to not merge Mer into the project and fight for our ideas and principles, though |
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| 21:08.07 | slonopotamus | anyone else experiences misbehang clock in sb in virtualbox? |
| 21:08.14 | Stskeeps | i mean, our build guy is doing meego OBS stuff :) |
| 21:08.25 | slonopotamus | i just fetched a file in 4658 days. |
| 21:09.20 | jacekowski | maybe it was out of sync when you started it |
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| 21:09.36 | slonopotamus | no, it happens often |
| 21:09.54 | asj_ | anyeoine using Nokia Messaging on their N900? is mail actaully being sent? |
| 21:09.59 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, I obviously didn't mean "obsoletes" in a bad sense :) |
| 21:10.14 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i didn't either :) |
| 21:10.15 | slonopotamus | make complains aboout clock scew, some files with modification in future... |
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| 21:10.46 | valdyn | asj_: it works fine for "standard" mail providers like google mail, not for most i guess, not for mine |
| 21:10.52 | pupnik__ | how does meego make mer obsolete? more devices? |
| 21:11.06 | asj_ | valdyn: not working for google for me or wife |
| 21:12.06 | valdyn | asj_: youre using the web ui to configure it, right? |
| 21:12.25 | Stskeeps | pupnik__: it would be stupid to continue parralell work where we are essentially doing the same. |
| 21:12.27 | asj_ | I haven't used the webui in months |
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| 21:13.08 | pwnguin | Stskeeps: i thought the point was that mer targeted unsupported devices |
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| 21:13.11 | valdyn | asj_: i dont even see a way to set it up on the n900 |
| 21:13.23 | asj_ | valdyn: add account it asks right there |
| 21:13.26 | Stskeeps | pwnguin: meego will too. |
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| 21:13.42 | valdyn | asj_: thats a nokia messaging account, not your google account |
| 21:14.07 | asj_ | valdyn: nokia messaging does google via imap |
| 21:14.16 | valdyn | asj_: it does not send via imap |
| 21:14.24 | valdyn | asj_: which is what we are talking about... |
| 21:14.34 | valdyn | asj_: port 465, enable ssl |
| 21:14.39 | asj_ | face palms |
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| 21:14.51 | Arkenoi | asj: do you have both mfe calendar sync and nm email enabled at the same time for the same account? |
| 21:14.56 | asj_ | valdyn: try not to help if you don';t know what you are talking about |
| 21:15.10 | valdyn | asj_: i know very well what im talking about |
| 21:15.13 | asj_ | Arkenoi: for different accounts |
| 21:15.21 | asj_ | valdyn: you don't know NM |
| 21:15.23 | pupnik__ | gut gut |
| 21:15.41 | Arkenoi | it is strange then |
| 21:16.05 | Arkenoi | i switched mfe from direct google sync to nuevasync and it fixed the problem |
| 21:16.09 | asj_ | Arkenoi: yeah it's really annoying since it says "sending" then "sent" but it never really goes out |
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| 21:16.22 | Arkenoi | hmm |
| 21:16.33 | Arkenoi | then it is not that bug i was thinking about |
| 21:16.54 | asj_ | Arkenoi: yeah, I was going to do the same, but I think mfe eats more battery life |
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| 21:17.45 | slonopotamus | is it a good idea to put libgnomeiu in extras? |
| 21:17.51 | t-tan | is anybody interested in supporting or contributing to a Debian-MeeGo project (packaging MeeGo components for Debian)? |
| 21:17.54 | asj_ | odd when I went to log into NM web UI it said "you have to change your password" |
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| 21:19.06 | manavs | hello |
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| 21:20.32 | Arif | blinks |
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| 21:22.21 | pupnik__ | t-tan: what do you mean? |
| 21:22.29 | pupnik__ | is the rpm stuff set in stone? |
| 21:22.32 | ponyofdeath | anyone else having issues adding and imaps server to nokia n900? |
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| 21:22.53 | ponyofdeath | i am getting host/port errors but i know for a fact they are working |
| 21:23.25 | t-tan | pupnik__: for the MeeGo distribution, yes, but you could implement the MeeGo environment on other real distros |
| 21:24.04 | slonopotamus | ponyofdeath, works ok for me |
| 21:24.27 | ponyofdeath | slonopotamus: do u have imap over ssl with an self generated cert? |
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| 21:25.19 | slonopotamus | ponyofdeath, yep, exactly |
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| 21:26.20 | slonopotamus | ponyofdeath, modest might require restart between setup and first connect |
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| 21:26.36 | satmd | I wonder if there's g_serial |
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| 21:28.30 | nidO | no problems with ssl imap for me either |
| 21:29.19 | slonopotamus | ponyofdeath, afaik, gmail uses imaps |
| 21:29.45 | slonopotamus | ponyofdeath, if it didn't work, tons of complaints would emerge |
| 21:30.35 | slonopotamus | ponyofdeath, didn't you mess ssl/tls? |
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| 21:34.09 | ponyofdeath | slonopotamus: well i even just tried without imaps |
| 21:34.21 | ponyofdeath | slonopotamus: so ur saying might require restart |
| 21:34.30 | RST38h | hmmm. Esmertec just switched Dalvik to JIT |
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| 21:41.29 | Arkenoi | NM is terrible |
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| 21:56.52 | Vanadis | hai |
| 21:57.04 | Vanadis | is there any modification for the unlocking-process? |
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| 21:57.32 | Vanadis | currently, when i'm walking with the phone in my bag, it sometimes unlocks |
| 21:57.52 | Vanadis | worst thing which happened, was calling a customer -.- |
| 21:58.26 | woglinde | how should in unlock? |
| 21:59.16 | Vanadis | maybe with a gesture (not just a straight line) or a pin |
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| 21:59.30 | Ian-- | people any ideas why i'm not getting the latest update 1.1.1 ? hasn't it been released worldwide yet? |
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| 21:59.40 | sportplusbr | www.pt-br.justin.tv/sportplusbr [00:00] NBA: DALLAS MAVERICKS X PHOENIX SUNS |
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| 21:59.47 | woglinde | Ian-- wlan or umts? |
| 21:59.48 | Swakins | somebody have used aircrack-ng under maemo5? |
| 22:00.03 | Ian-- | wlan |
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| 22:00.19 | woglinde | which country? |
| 22:00.25 | Ian-- | malta europe |
| 22:00.32 | woglinde | hm |
| 22:00.48 | nidO | Ian-- - Settings > about |
| 22:00.49 | woglinde | akamai is in service |
| 22:00.55 | nidO | whats your current version |
| 22:00.58 | woglinde | maybee malta comes latetest |
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| 22:01.26 | Ian-- | i should have the version 1.1 |
| 22:01.34 | nidO | whats the full version listed |
| 22:01.37 | Ian-- | in fact version is 2.2009.51-1 |
| 22:01.48 | nidO | and after that? |
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| 22:02.15 | Ian-- | 2.2009.51-1.203.2 |
| 22:02.21 | nidO | uk variant phone |
| 22:02.32 | nidO | nokia havent bothered releasing the firmware update to uk phones yet |
| 22:02.35 | nidO | christ knows why. |
| 22:02.44 | Ian-- | o ic |
| 22:03.09 | pupnik | never know what the idiot government does |
| 22:03.19 | RST38h | what again? |
| 22:04.21 | nidO | it's nokia, not the govt |
| 22:04.50 | Ian-- | hope that it won't take too long |
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| 22:05.08 | pupnik | n900 is just amazingly kickass |
| 22:05.29 | pupnik | getting uswd to the keyboard and im really fast now |
| 22:05.38 | pupnik | ergh typos still |
| 22:05.46 | woglinde | uswd? |
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| 22:07.40 | pupnik | used |
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| 22:08.12 | pupnik | und was geht ab alter? |
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| 22:10.47 | woglinde | re javis |
| 22:11.08 | javispedro | hi |
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| 22:12.34 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 22:17.25 | pwnguin | discovers someone uploaded coreutils & more |
| 22:17.27 | pwnguin | yay |
| 22:18.21 | javispedro | but is it busybox-conflicting, device-bricking coreutils, or some working thing? |
| 22:18.36 | pwnguin | it installs to /usr/bin/gnu |
| 22:18.38 | pwnguin | or smth |
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| 22:19.17 | t-tan | pwnguin: yes, it was me |
| 22:19.57 | t-tan | I'm just uploaded a version which also generates g* versions in /usr/bin |
| 22:20.01 | pwnguin | im also glad less was installed |
| 22:20.09 | t-tan | s/uploaded/uploading/ |
| 22:20.56 | pwnguin | now to figure out why chsh refuses bash |
| 22:23.24 | satmd | Stskeeps: I read about you playing with g_serial... is the module available somewhere? |
| 22:23.32 | pwnguin | ah, color ls |
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| 22:23.38 | Stskeeps | compile it, it's available in kernel source |
| 22:24.19 | satmd | k |
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| 22:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | I guess we can say goodbye to the public bugzilla for Nokia closed-source stuff. :\ |
| 22:36.32 | mariorz | is there a python2.6 package for the n810? |
| 22:37.16 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, everything will be open so no need :D (/me doubts that ;)) |
| 22:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, since MeeGo isn't tracking Nokia closed-source products. |
| 22:37.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 22:38.04 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, they have a bugzilla already ? |
| 22:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, not yet, but will. |
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| 22:39.42 | VDVsx | well, if that happens is a big lost, really hope that others can see that |
| 22:40.08 | VDVsx | we can create micro communities inside meego :D |
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| 22:41.38 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, I'd think maemo bugzilla would remain to deal with nokia-meego specific issues.. |
| 22:41.42 | wiretapped | solution: stop using nokia closed source stuff |
| 22:41.56 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, Maemo as a brand is going away. |
| 22:42.01 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, not sure where that would live. |
| 22:42.37 | ShadowJK | I suspect that reality will be more like meego being an upstream for Nokia, Intel, LG, whoever |
| 22:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | God damn this is a pain in the ass. |
| 22:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: what I expected to see from this insane move |
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| 22:47.30 | wiretapped | has nokia cut any osso staff yet? |
| 22:48.34 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 22:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, man, this is just golden. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=532987&postcount=8 |
| 22:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | I wish johnx were here. |
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| 22:50.27 | Pgrodt | in other news, it was just annunced that Ubuntu Linux and Gentoo Linux will combine to form "Genbuntoo" :D |
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| 22:50.59 | Jef91 | did anyone else have the flash light application break on them with the recent update? |
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| 22:56.34 | wiretapped | the original plan for qt was that maemo5 would only have "community support" for qt, and it wouldn't come from nokia until harmattan |
| 22:56.37 | wiretapped | according to http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/maemo-harmattan-qt-and-more |
| 22:57.13 | wiretapped | wonders how many other things that were going to be in harmattan will now be rolled into PR1.2 |
| 22:58.14 | asj | wiretapped: I suspect there aren't many people working on the n900 code anymore |
| 22:58.35 | wiretapped | kinda seems like maybe the name harmattan got reassigned for marketing purposes? |
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| 22:59.45 | wiretapped | asj: no, i reckon there aren't |
| 23:00.29 | ToiletOil | I just had one of the "linux is fucking awesome"-moments. I just edited my phones /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ keymap with vim over ssh, and when I was done I issued a "setxkbmap" and the changes took effect. |
| 23:02.22 | ml-mobile | yup |
| 23:02.23 | ToiletOil | sometime you need to stop and remind you that you're actually working with a phone, and not a computer |
| 23:02.34 | ToiletOil | yourself |
| 23:02.45 | ml-mobile | no, you're working with a computer |
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| 23:03.08 | ml-mobile | "phone" is just an entry in a capabilities list |
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| 23:04.39 | lardman | evening |
| 23:04.45 | ToiletOil | it is indeed a computer, but it's hard to forget that the device you're issuing commands to is actually in your front pocket |
| 23:04.56 | ToiletOil | s/hard/easy/ |
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| 23:05.10 | ToiletOil | wow |
| 23:05.19 | ToiletOil | dude, that's the best bot ever |
| 23:06.04 | woglinde | jo lardman |
| 23:06.29 | lardman | hi woglinde |
| 23:08.26 | Pgrodt | Stand back!! Infobot knows regular expressions! |
| 23:09.13 | ToiletOil | <3 infobot |
| 23:09.47 | javispedro | ~chase ToiletOil |
| 23:09.47 | infobot | ACTION chases ToiletOil |
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| 23:16.50 | jacekowski | does default maemo kernel have support for Thumb binaries? |
| 23:17.18 | javispedro | not thumbee |
| 23:17.27 | javispedro | but it can run thumb code |
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