IRC log for #maemo on 20100122

`00:00.23`	`matthew-`	`pupnik: i did !`
`00:00.39`	`matthew-`	`need an admin to send him an email`
`00:01.11`	`pupnik`	`that's a matter of his privacy i think`
`00:01.14`	`KamuiN900`	`pupnik: your smw port...looks awesome on the n900, but appears that the ok go enter key is hardcoded?`
`00:01.20`	`KamuiN900`	`so i cant start a game`
`00:01.29`	`pupnik`	`i ported smw for n900?`
`00:01.39`	`KamuiN900`	`pupnik, no 800 me thinks`
`00:01.49`	`KamuiN900`	`but it installs and runs fullscreen with sound`
`00:01.50`	`pupnik`	`ah the enter is KP_Enter`
`00:01.53`	`KamuiN900`	`full speed`
`00:02.01`	`KamuiN900`	`no way to remap it seems`
`00:02.16`	`pupnik`	`let's see if i can find/rebuild right now`
`00:02.18`	`KamuiN900`	`tried using the linux ver and copying the resulting config file over`
`00:02.28`	`KamuiN900`	`you are the MASTER!`
`00:02.33`	`KamuiN900`	`yes!`
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`00:03.14`	`pupnik`	`k i lost my source but it's on garage`
`00:03.27`	`matthew-`	`pupnik: i think he's not checking it`
`00:03.44`	`matthew-`	`as he says on his video on youtube 'email me bla bla bla'`
`00:04.35`	`pupnik`	`nope i lost the source KamuiN900`
`00:05.00`	`KamuiN900`	`noooooooooo`
`00:05.13`	`pupnik`	`can`
`00:05.18`	`pupnik`	`you make new graphics for it?`
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`00:05.35`	`KamuiN900`	`i could, they would be poor`
`00:05.41`	`KamuiN900`	`:)`
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`00:06.00`	`pupnik`	`ok i'll do that then`
`00:06.45`	`KamuiN900`	`im learning opengl right now to finish the blender opengles wrapper`
`00:07.01`	`pupnik`	`oh... god... no`
`00:07.17`	`KamuiN900`	`i dont know enough to know whats missing yet`
`00:07.23`	`KamuiN900`	`so its patchwork atm`
`00:07.53`	`matthew-`	`damn, my blog got it's link on 4chan`
`00:08.01`	`matthew-`	`and in under 24h ive got 10k hits`
`00:08.34`	`pupnik`	`646 seperate gfx files in that deb`
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`00:11.10`	`Kamui`	`jeez`
`00:11.10`	`Kamui`	`ok`
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`00:11.33`	`pupnik`	`wonder how many different characters you'd need for a semiplayable game`
`00:11.55`	`pupnik`	`i'm sure someone has made a level/tileset that's free`
`00:11.56`	`Kamui`	`just 1`
`00:11.57`	`Kamui`	`honestly`
`00:12.44`	`jhford`	`anyone know how to flash an emmc image using flaser-3.5?`
`00:13.12`	`Kamui`	`I don't see what the big deal is though`
`00:13.23`	`jhford`	`or know how to generate a fiasco image using 0xFFFF`
`00:13.24`	`Kamui`	`there are threads of babies going on bringing up legality issues`
`00:13.31`	`Kamui`	`the game has been around for years`
`00:13.44`	`Kamui`	`I can understand not hosting it on maemo.org`
`00:13.50`	`Kamui`	`nuff said anyway`
`00:14.26`	`Kamui`	`pupnik, smw is one of the greatest party games ever made`
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`00:15.00`	`Kamui`	`between that and Jagged alliance 2, I think Ill have a hard time focusing on development for a week or two`
`00:15.07`	`woglinde`	`smw?`
`00:15.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`naked twister is clearly bette.`
`00:15.59`	`Kamui`	`not if its a party of dudes`
`00:16.11`	`Kamui`	`I guess unless you're actually a woman`
`00:16.15`	`pupnik`	`bummer, one of the authors died`
`00:16.21`	`Kamui`	`yea, I know :(`
`00:16.24`	`Kamui`	`very sad`
`00:16.32`	`Kamui`	`caused tons of confusion on the forums for a while too`
`00:16.34`	`MohammadAG`	`my n900 keeps removing all homescreen widgets :(`
`00:16.43`	`Kamui`	`MohammadAG, I had that problem`
`00:16.44`	`SpeedEvil`	`pupnik: Of twister?`
`00:16.46`	`pupnik`	`does it have networked play? we definitely show be able to play networked smw`
`00:16.48`	`Kamui`	`had to stop using a bunch of widgets`
`00:16.54`	`pupnik`	`should`
`00:17.02`	`Kamui`	`main culprits were the maeku widget`
`00:17.10`	`Kamui`	`and locations widget`
`00:17.35`	`Kamui`	`I was readding everything twice a day, got rid of those, and I haven't had a lost widget in a full week`
`00:18.05`	`pupnik`	`amazing the amount of forum activity around smw`
`00:18.28`	`MohammadAG`	`Kamui, haven't added anything new`
`00:18.36`	`MohammadAG`	`it started yesterday`
`00:18.38`	`Kamui`	`what widgets you loading MohammadAG`
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`00:20.56`	`MohammadAG`	`err`
`00:21.10`	`pupnik`	`oh my g... Kamui guess what system this guy ported smw to`
`00:21.20`	`Kamui`	`wii`
`00:21.24`	`pupnik`	`you're like "runs fullspeed on n900"?`
`00:21.24`	`Kamui`	`what`
`00:21.27`	`pupnik`	`Atari 2600`
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`00:21.31`	`Kamui`	`holy smokes`
`00:21.33`	`pupnik`	`http://72dpiarmy.supersanctuary.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10233`
`00:21.33`	`Kamui`	`AMAZING`
`00:21.34`	`Kamui`	`no way`
`00:21.44`	`MohammadAG`	`facebook, tunewiki, touchsearch, ip addy, system load, dektop execution, conversation inbox etc...`
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`00:22.01`	`woglinde`	`what is smw now?`
`00:22.06`	`Kamui`	`touchsearch crashed for me too`
`00:22.10`	`Kamui`	`try removing that and see if you're ok`
`00:22.17`	`Kamui`	`I have the rest of those minus tunewiki`
`00:22.33`	`pupnik`	`woglinde: very simple game based around the mario-brothers gameplay. jump on things to bash them`
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`00:24.22`	`Kamui`	`woglinde, I like to describe it as ssuper smash bros in the super mario engine :)`
`00:24.37`	`Kamui`	`also all the combat takes place on a non scrolling screen`
`00:24.59`	`Kamui`	`4 player battle mode, and there are a ton of custom game modes`
`00:25.10`	`Kamui`	`including CTF, domination, king of the hill, dm, team dm, etc`
`00:25.32`	`woglinde`	`like bomberman`
`00:25.34`	`woglinde`	`I see`
`00:25.36`	`Kamui`	`yea`
`00:26.38`	`Kamui`	`there was talk of a new supermario war too before florians death expanding the gameplay to include much larger scrolling maps and over 20 powerups`
`00:26.42`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`wants mokomaze for N900`
`00:27.04`	`luke-jr`	`wants N900 for Armagetron`
`00:27.06`	`luke-jr`	`<.<`
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`00:28.06`	`hardaker`	`DocScrutinizer51: the ovi store has a similar thingy. finger ball or something. labrinth finger? something like that.`
`00:28.10`	`cpscotti`	`Hey.. what changed last week in garage? When I try to upload a pack to devel it denies my access.. any ideas?`
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`00:28.43`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`hardaker: ok :D`
`00:28.56`	`hardaker`	`(haven't tried it; don't yell if it sucks ;-)`
`00:29.05`	`Kamui`	`pupnik, would you consider packaging exult into a deb?`
`00:29.11`	`hardaker`	`wants world of goo`
`00:30.00`	`Kamui`	`I'd really like crayon physics deluxe`
`00:30.05`	`Kamui`	`I like numptyphysics, but its just not the same`
`00:30.11`	`Kamui`	`or even a sandbox using box2d`
`00:30.44`	`hardaker`	`I want more levels for angry birds.`
`00:30.46`	`hardaker`	`adictive game.`
`00:30.47`	`Kamui`	`me too`
`00:30.50`	`Kamui`	`I want everything honestly`
`00:30.59`	`hardaker`	`more more more!`
`00:31.03`	`Kamui`	`I beat the 3rd map the other day`
`00:31.04`	`hardaker`	`throws a tantrum on the floor`
`00:31.07`	`Kamui`	`it was soooo fun`
`00:31.12`	`hardaker`	`3rd map of which?`
`00:31.20`	`Kamui`	`angry birds`
`00:31.32`	`hardaker`	`I've done the 21 levels in the demo....`
`00:31.40`	`Kamui`	`ok`
`00:31.43`	`hardaker`	`I wonder when they're going to release the full set of levels.`
`00:31.44`	`Kamui`	`worlds 2 and 3 are bad ass`
`00:31.48`	`hardaker`	`iphone?`
`00:31.50`	`Kamui`	`no`
`00:31.55`	`Kamui`	`lol`
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`00:31.58`	`Kamui`	`go to the ovistore hardaker`
`00:32.01`	`Kamui`	`there's already a levelpack`
`00:32.02`	`Kamui`	`its levelpack 1`
`00:32.04`	`hardaker`	`really?`
`00:32.06`	`Kamui`	`3$ iirc`
`00:32.07`	`hardaker`	`suite.`
`00:32.10`	`hardaker`	`it wasn't there yesterday.`
`00:32.14`	`hardaker`	`sweet...`
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`00:32.25`	`hardaker`	`(suite? really? Am I really that tired?)`
`00:32.36`	`Kamui`	`naah, I say that all the time`
`00:32.41`	`Kamui`	`who uses sweet these days`
`00:32.47`	`hardaker`	`us old folks.`
`00:32.51`	`Kamui`	`homonyms ftw`
`00:32.53`	`odin_`	`does maemo 'gdb' support single stepping through DSOs ? I am getting: "Could not insert single-step breakpoint at 0x4011885c" error when trying to "next"`
`00:32.55`	`hardaker`	`and, um, my kids for that matter.`
`00:33.20`	`odin_`	`or do I have to allow it to write to the .text segment of a DSO ?`
`00:33.48`	`pupnik`	`Kamui: exult is one of those things i want to play well, and not be a thing that sucks, so people try it and forget about it`
`00:34.23`	`Kamui`	`how about a private packaging, for testers ;)`
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`00:34.24`	`odin_`	`the error above usually happens when gdb attempt to write the CPU breakpoint instruction at the next memory location $pc+1, either it got a protection violation, or tried to verify it with a read-back but the insn wasn't written`
`00:34.37`	`Kamui`	`because right now, Ill struggle through the install, but I have a feeling Im reflashing this weekend`
`00:34.52`	`Kamui`	`thats the only reason I haven't installed it, lba, and warzone 2100`
`00:35.09`	`Kamui`	`RA looks pretty mature too`
`00:35.12`	`Kamui`	`minus the campaign`
`00:35.17`	`Kamui`	`damn, I love this device`
`00:35.22`	`Kamui`	`listen to what Im spouting off about playing`
`00:35.31`	`Kamui`	`just the best games of their individual times`
`00:37.39`	`pupnik`	`:)`
`00:37.52`	`pupnik`	`it's motivating as heck`
`00:38.05`	`pupnik`	`to have this almost-full linux stack available for a handheld device`
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`00:39.16`	`Kamui`	`yes quite`
`00:39.49`	`Kamui`	`my first realization of how lucky I was to be a member of the maemo community instead of the android community was when I got a working build of blender after only a few hours`
`00:39.54`	`odin_`	`what do you mean ALMOST ??`
`00:41.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`odin_: It doesn't have KDE.`
`00:41.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`odin_: hence almost.`
`00:41.25`	`odin_`	`K _DESKTOP_ Environment`
`00:41.40`	`Kamui`	`coming soon: KPE`
`00:41.49`	`Kamui`	`K _PORTABLE_ Environment`
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`00:45.54`	`hardaker`	`Kamui: I don't see a level pack for angry birds...`
`00:45.58`	`hardaker`	`is it under games?`
`00:47.10`	`Kamui`	`wow`
`00:47.11`	`Kamui`	`its gone`
`00:47.15`	`hardaker`	`nnooooooo`
`00:47.31`	`Kamui`	`I wonder if its because they didn't plan on it appearing in the apt repository for free`
`00:47.42`	`hardaker`	`probably`
`00:47.43`	`cpscotti`	`cpscotti: on PR1.1 (sdk side) /etc/dput.cf was "quietly" changed; fqdn (the upload target) is now drop.maemo.org (it was garage.maemo.org before)`
`00:47.43`	`Kamui`	`I just figured they fixed that when it was in vanished`
`00:47.56`	`cpscotti`	`(yes.. answering my own question.. for the sake of the logs..)`
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`00:48.39`	`jebba`	`ya, no reason to announce anything like that. Way too much time.`
`00:52.40`	`woglinde`	`hm`
`00:52.42`	`woglinde`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b749KvoX3w4`
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`00:55.57`	`DrIDK`	`Is it possible for somebody to create a package for openAL on maemo 5?`
`00:56.14`	`woglinde`	`dridk try it your self`
`00:56.29`	`woglinde`	`DrIDK can openAL use alsa or pulse as a wrapper`
`00:56.34`	`Kamui`	`DrIDK, its been done, but openal builds without any needed deps`
`00:56.50`	`DrIDK`	`Kamui: cool, where?`
`00:56.54`	`woglinde`	`when not dont know how useful it will be`
`00:57.42`	`Kamui`	`doubt its been packaged by anyone, it builds in a few minutes`
`00:57.53`	`DrIDK`	`Kamui: cool`
`00:58.00`	`Kamui`	`but look around the forums`
`00:58.05`	`Kamui`	`I know I posted on it at some point`
`00:58.27`	`Kamui`	`DrIDK, what do you need openal for ?`
`00:58.32`	`Kamui`	`or are you using it in a project of your own`
`00:59.30`	`DrIDK`	`Kamui: My team ( kde-gluon) is porting gluon to maemo 5. ( it's a 2d game API for qt)`
`00:59.39`	`woglinde`	`Kamui is it really working?`
`00:59.55`	`Kamui`	`libopenal1?`
`00:59.56`	`Kamui`	`yea`
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`01:00.02`	`Kamui`	`it sucks if you dont use alsa`
`01:00.06`	`woglinde`	`its soundlib right?`
`01:00.16`	`Kamui`	`well, I lie, I set the order so that pulse is last`
`01:00.20`	`Kamui`	`and audio doesn't stutter`
`01:00.28`	`woglinde`	`aeh???`
`01:00.30`	`Kamui`	`so I assume its NOT using pulse audio, iven though its is`
`01:00.36`	`Kamui`	`that makes no sense`
`01:00.43`	`woglinde`	`DrIDK hm when you are using qt why not use phonon?`
`01:01.17`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`just a sidenote: 5h of constantly enabled backlight and IRC via wlan: battery down to 49%`
`01:01.17`	`woglinde`	`Kamui aeh how it than works?`
`01:01.18`	`DrIDK`	`woglinde: phonon is not for games! That was a long discussion!`
`01:01.25`	`woglinde`	`dridk ah okay`
`01:02.27`	`Kamui`	`foolishly woglinde foolishly.`
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`01:02.38`	`Kamui`	`its more likely the sample rate I force`
`01:02.53`	`Kamui`	`however to test that, I set 44khz and audio is still smooth`
`01:03.05`	`Kamui`	`if I comment out the driver order, it skips`
`01:03.29`	`Kamui`	`ultimately it works, and I can play Baldurs gate and Icewind dale :)`
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`01:05.12`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`yeeha audio the neverneverending story`
`01:05.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`hmm.`
`01:05.48`	`SpeedEvil`	`finds simplenotewidget uses 10M of RAM.`
`01:05.55`	`SpeedEvil`	`uninstalls.`
`01:06.02`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`eeeek`
`01:06.13`	`Kamui`	`yea, damn speed`
`01:06.33`	`Kamui`	`I have been thinking some of my widgets might have something to do with my huge powerdrain`
`01:06.41`	`Kamui`	`its sporradic now though`
`01:06.53`	`SpeedEvil`	`htop and strace can be of use`
`01:06.55`	`Kamui`	`today I ended the day with almost no use at 80ish %`
`01:07.06`	`Kamui`	`gotta read up on strace, never used it`
`01:07.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`I have issues with the tracker and thumbnailer`
`01:07.15`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`no huge powerdrain here ever. see above sidenote`
`01:07.43`	`Kamui`	`I see that pulseaudio seems to flutter between 1 and 20% randomly`
`01:07.47`	`Kamui`	`when there's no audio playing`
`01:07.57`	`ShadowJK`	`powertop is more useful for figuring out what's killing standby time`
`01:07.59`	`Kamui`	`must be a process thats keeping the device active`
`01:08.20`	`ShadowJK`	`although it can't "see" widgets, you can turn them on and off and then compare powertop output`
`01:08.22`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`yeah PA is a bitch`
`01:09.32`	`xorAxAx`	`availability plugin for dwimd is finished`
`01:09.40`	`xorAxAx`	`now i add a history plugin`
`01:10.13`	`xorAxAx`	`SpeedEvil: how do you know that a widget takes specific amount of ram?`
`01:10.16`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`and the only thing I found PA can do and ALSA can't is switching an opened audiodev to a different audiocard`
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`01:10.57`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`and I honestly wonder if that's a feature or more like a bug`
`01:13.09`	`woglinde`	`http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/01/21/qt-graphics-and-performance-generating-content-in-threads/`
`01:14.03`	`woglinde`	`hihi n900 used`
`01:14.24`	`Kamui`	`ShadowJK, I have a US rom, I dont think I can get powertop from the usual sources and IIRC its not preinstalled in the US FW`
`01:14.45`	`woglinde`	`kamui hm someone could you provide the binary`
`01:15.05`	`SpeedEvil`	`xorAxAx: htto://www.mauve.plus.com/pss`
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`01:15.19`	`Kamui`	`yes, that would be fantastic`
`01:15.28`	`SpeedEvil`	`A stupid little script that iterates over /proc/*/smaps and totals the 'pss' lines per process`
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`01:15.40`	`woglinde`	`kamui mom`
`01:15.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`It's probably fundamentally flawed in some way I'm missing.`
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`01:15.58`	`SpeedEvil`	`It then outputs this figure, prepended to each line of 'ps'`
`01:16.11`	`xorAxAx`	`SpeedEvil: ah, smaps`
`01:16.41`	`xorAxAx`	`SpeedEvil: why do you think its flawed?`
`01:17.50`	`SpeedEvil`	`I don't see any reason for it to be.`
`01:17.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`But...`
`01:18.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`Output is in K`
`01:18.49`	`SpeedEvil`	`At least it's better than top with rss/vm`
`01:20.51`	`Kamui`	`pupnik, I did it, broke down and installed it`
`01:21.01`	`Kamui`	`exult runs, now Ill experiment`
`01:21.10`	`Kamui`	`did you add any modifier fo rright click?`
`01:21.18`	`Kamui`	`don't see how exult is playable single button ;)_`
`01:21.32`	`pupnik`	`there was a bunch of experiments with clickin`
`01:22.00`	`pupnik`	`is sad for FLorian.`
`01:22.16`	`pupnik`	`i don't remember actually Kamui`
`01:22.35`	`Kamui`	`me too pupnik`
`01:22.50`	`pupnik`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDn4H1AIF-s here's the game he was working on (written in ruby). one of the characters goes 'killed myself' and 'why am i being pushed back?'`
`01:22.55`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`where's powertop?`
`01:23.07`	`woglinde`	`kamui after my www-server update`
`01:23.20`	`woglinde`	`I will give you the link to powertop`
`01:23.26`	`woglinde`	`but its different than the normal`
`01:23.37`	`woglinde`	`doc /sbin/powertop`
`01:23.53`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`duh`
`01:23.54`	`woglinde`	`depens only on libc as far as I see`
`01:24.17`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`never occured to me it might be there without installing it`
`01:24.49`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`no powertop`
`01:24.59`	`woglinde`	`doc aeh?`
`01:25.04`	`woglinde`	`my german version has it`
`01:25.06`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`poweroff is all I get :-P`
`01:25.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`US firmware may be missing it, I hear.`
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`01:26.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:26.20`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`hmm I got the todo-mundo version of Pr1.1 iirc`
`01:26.27`	`SpeedEvil`	`no powertop on the uk one`
`01:26.30`	`SpeedEvil`	`1.1`
`01:26.48`	`woglinde`	`funny`
`01:26.57`	`woglinde`	`are there patents?`
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`01:29.18`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`woglinde: what do you mean by 'german version'?`
`01:30.19`	`ds3`	`is there a site or a page that is tracking current N900 prices?`
`01:30.33`	`Kamui`	`pupnik, one more thing. looks good, started a new game though and it doesn't look like its taking keyboard input`
`01:30.34`	`Kamui`	`by design?`
`01:30.48`	`Kamui`	`do I have to run xkbd?`
`01:30.59`	`Kamui`	`stuck when trying to create the new game`
`01:31.04`	`pupnik`	`:/`
`01:31.12`	`pupnik`	`i don't remember anything about it really`
`01:31.24`	`pupnik`	`it was actually playable lemme check if there's anything more recent`
`01:31.33`	`Kamui`	`oakly doakly`
`01:31.39`	`odin_`	`what does your: "ldd /usr/bin/tracker-status \| grep libtrackerclient" say on N900 with 55-1 installed ?`
`01:31.53`	`pupnik`	`http://pupnik.de/exultnotes.txt`
`01:32.48`	`Kamui`	`roh noes`
`01:32.50`	`Kamui`	`no keyboard support`
`01:32.57`	`SpeedEvil`	`/usr/bin/tracker-status \| grep libtrackerclient`
`01:32.57`	`SpeedEvil`	`libtrackerclient.so.0 => /usr/lib/libtrackerclient.so.0 (0x4002f000)`
`01:33.05`	`Kamui`	`that would mean I have to start a game on the pc first`
`01:33.14`	`odin_`	`thanks... a low load location`
`01:33.43`	`odin_`	`everything else loads at 0x41xxxxxx`
`01:33.55`	`pupnik`	`hah look at all this crap i built http://pupnik.de/gregale/foo.html`
`01:34.17`	`Kamui`	`lols`
`01:34.20`	`Kamui`	`all supportlibs`
`01:38.19`	`pupnik`	`http://www.instructables.com/image/FHLV4XGFRXWH04U/Powerthief.jpg hahahaha screw-into-lightbulb-socket power source`
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`01:40.34`	`SpeedEvil`	`oldidea is old`
`01:40.55`	`SpeedEvil`	`This would have been familiar to your grandparents.`
`01:41.03`	`SpeedEvil`	`maybe great grandparents`
`01:41.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`pupnik, you've never seen those before?`
`01:41.21`	`SpeedEvil`	`Also - that guy is clearly doing drugs.`
`01:41.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`And he thinks that it's a bong.`
`01:41.41`	`pupnik`	`i thought it was funny because he was so happy over something so basic`
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`01:41.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Drugs.`
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`01:43.08`	`pupnik`	`what i find a little strange and amazing is what a huge community grew around such a basic game`
`01:43.20`	`xorAxAx`	`this feature is brought to you by dwimd:`
`01:43.23`	`xorAxAx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:43.25`	`xorAxAx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:43.33`	`xorAxAx`	`thats auto away for n900!`
`01:44.06`	`pupnik`	`true enough, excepting the BT keyboard use case`
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`01:44.43`	`xorAxAx`	`pupnik: dont you want to use dwimd as well? :)`
`01:44.56`	`woglinde`	`upppss wrong line`
`01:45.31`	`pupnik`	`dwimd is something i have no reference for`
`01:45.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`xorAxAx, Bluetooth proximity.`
`01:47.38`	`xorAxAx`	`GeneralAntilles: good idea`
`01:47.50`	`xorAxAx`	`GeneralAntilles: the location plugin could be enhanced`
`01:47.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`xorAxAx, it's the way BluePhoneElite does it.`
`01:48.04`	`odin_`	`any GAS ARM gurus watching: str.w r5, [r4, #-4]! (what is the pseudo code for it)`
`01:48.28`	`xorAxAx`	`pupnik: dwimd is the environment sensing gestalt optimizer for the n900`
`01:48.56`	`xorAxAx`	`pupnik: not yet released, interested people should come to #dwimd`
`01:52.15`	`xorAxAx`	`pupnik: ever wanted autoaway for the n900? or gps based phone muting? (think of cinemas etc.)`
`01:52.23`	`xorAxAx`	`pupnik: then dwimd is the right choice for you`
`01:52.42`	`pupnik`	`nice ideas`
`01:53.24`	`pupnik`	`give it a 'owner is getting the shit kicked out of him' remote alarm feature`
`01:54.38`	`xorAxAx`	`please be more specific`
`01:54.39`	`pupnik`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:54.49`	`xorAxAx`	`pupnik: when should the alarm sound?`
`01:55.00`	`pupnik`	`nah it should log into freenode channels and type that`
`01:55.09`	`pupnik`	`:)`
`01:55.40`	`pupnik`	`just being slightly unserious`
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`01:57.20`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`pupnik: we'reless concerned about the action to take. Rather we need a more precise definition of the parameters to monitor to identify the triggering situation`
`01:58.04`	`pupnik`	`you're treading new ground with that, and an 'away' mode may be about as far as it goes`
`01:59.33`	`blizzow`	`Anyone here having trouble with long SMS messages to their N900 via TMobile? I'm trying to send an SMS alert to my N900 and it doesn't go through.`
`01:59.52`	`blizzow`	`Actually, even when the message is under 143 characters, it still doesn't go through.`
`01:59.54`	`xorAxAx`	`DocScrutinizer51: +1`
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`02:04.17`	`Kamui`	`a port of dominions would be gangster`
`02:04.24`	`Kamui`	`but that will never be oss`
`02:06.12`	`woglinde`	`Kamui did it work?`
`02:06.36`	`Kamui`	`yes`
`02:06.37`	`Kamui`	`it worked`
`02:06.57`	`Kamui`	`I've never seen that output before, so Im gonna have to read about it`
`02:07.03`	`Kamui`	`just skimming the output didn't seem extra useful`
`02:07.13`	`Kamui`	`other than the cpu clocking states over the 30 second poll`
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`02:20.32`	`shinkamui`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Uwf3gtOLc`
`02:20.42`	`shinkamui`	`lol, old news Im sure`
`02:20.46`	`shinkamui`	`but new to me!`
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`02:40.38`	`_andy`	`has anyone had success here using IPv6 in maemo?`
`02:44.46`	`hardaker`	`_andy: I haven't tried; wanted to give it a whirl but hadn't yet.`
`02:48.18`	`_andy`	`i hate git... so much`
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`02:50.27`	`hardaker`	`git is wonderful. Under the hood. It's the dented exterior that sucks.`
`02:50.28`	`pupnik`	`this is why i have removed flash on my desktop`
`02:50.41`	`pupnik`	`plonk`
`02:50.59`	`pupnik`	`do not click shinkamui's link`
`02:54.02`	`shinkamui`	`ha ha, why not`
`02:54.06`	`shinkamui`	`its hilARIOUS`
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`03:57.10`	`\|R`	`Anyone has recorded a TV-B-Gone to Irreco file format? :)`
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`04:03.07`	`pronto`	`\|R: what a tv-b-gone thing does is just cycle though turn off codes on many TV's ,`
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`04:09.42`	`SpeedEvil`	`There are also pro versions.`
`04:09.46`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://www.amazon.co.uk/TV-B-Gone-PRO/dp/B000LFTFZU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=diy&qid=1264133347&sr=8-1`
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`04:21.40`	`bfree`	`\|R: can the N900 read IR inputs or is the port output only? if it can do inputs then I'd suspect a preety good database of "off" codes could be gathered with an app ;-)`
`04:23.19`	`bfree`	`oops, didn't really mean to direct ^^ at \|R in particular ... and as he wasn't the first to suggest such possible fun, any takers?`
`04:33.30`	`_andy`	`success!!!`
`04:33.40`	`_andy`	`http://www.openssl.org/docs/ssl/SSL_CTX_new.html it was using SSLv23_method`
`04:34.25`	`_andy`	`changing it to SSLv3_method fixed my problems`
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`04:38.09`	`jebba`	`_andy: i did a kernel with IPv6 support, but is for PR1.0`
`04:40.53`	`_andy`	`nice.`
`04:40.56`	`_andy`	`bed time. g'night`
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`05:39.43`	`\|R`	`bfree: No recording possible (input) from what i know :(`
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`06:35.31`	`pwnguin`	`anyone know where i can find a list of gstreamer nodes compatible with jpegenc?`
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`07:06.10`	`aboyer`	`hi, n900 networking question.`
`07:06.17`	`aboyer`	`has anyone been able to set up a bridge between the n900 and a computer connected to a LAN via USB networking?`
`07:06.43`	`aboyer`	`i followed the instructions on http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, but i seem to be missing something because it does not work...`
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`07:23.58`	`pwnguin`	`aww sad. seems most of the effecTV gst filters dont work`
`07:25.43`	`thresh`	`'s/seems most of the effecTV //' -e 's/filters /'`
`07:26.16`	`pwnguin`	`sorry i dont speak sed`
`07:26.28`	`Proteous`	`lol`
`07:26.45`	`thresh`	`pwnguin: "gst dont work"`
`07:26.52`	`pwnguin`	`sure it did`
`07:27.05`	`thresh`	`that was a bug :-)`
`07:27.20`	`thresh`	`sorry, i'm in a bad mood this morning`
`07:27.21`	`pwnguin`	`gst-launch autovideosrc ! autovideosink`
`07:27.40`	`pwnguin`	`that'll show video from front cam`
`07:27.48`	`rohanpm`	`aboyer: what did you do and what problem did you have?`
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`07:28.33`	`aboyer`	`rohanpm: i have configured a usb0 interfact on my host with 192.168.2.14 ip address`
`07:28.57`	`aboyer`	`i can ping the n900 and the n900 can ping the host`
`07:29.25`	`rohanpm`	`aboyer: I thought you wanted a bridge and not NAT ?`
`07:29.25`	`aboyer`	`now, i'd like to access the local LAN from the n900 via the USB cable`
`07:29.34`	`thresh`	`aboyer: i used NAT done with iptables`
`07:29.47`	`thresh`	`and i needed to tell dnsmasq on N900 to use my name server`
`07:30.13`	`rohanpm`	aboyer: do you have a bridge interface set up on the host machine? (e.g. `brctl show' shows something good)
`07:30.33`	`aboyer`	`rohanpm: no, but i did`
`07:30.47`	`aboyer`	`i tried everything on the said wiki page, but to no avail...`
`07:31.10`	`thresh`	`why bother with bridge? or you have the same network addresses on your local network?`
`07:31.11`	`aboyer`	`thresh: i'm clueless when it comes to networking, could you share your configuration files?`
`07:31.19`	`thresh`	`well`
`07:31.47`	`thresh`	`on your host machine: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.2.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source IP-OF-YOUR-HOST-MACHINE`
`07:31.59`	`rohanpm`	`thresh: because bridging allows the device to accept incoming connections on all ports`
`07:32.09`	`thresh`	`sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1`
`07:32.38`	`thresh`	`rohanpm: aboyer only needs to access LAN from N900, not vice versa :)`
`07:33.27`	`aboyer`	`does ip-of-your-host-machine have to be on the same network? it is currently getting an ip from a dhcp server 130.188.198.114`
`07:33.42`	`thresh`	`it has to be the one your dhcp gave you`
`07:34.23`	`thresh`	`then, on your N900: route add default gw 192.168.2.14`
`07:34.39`	`thresh`	`if everything is fine, you should be able to ping some IPs on your local network`
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`07:39.08`	`aboyer`	`thresh: it worked! thanks`
`07:39.18`	`thresh`	`nice. now check if ping google.com works :)`
`07:39.55`	`aboyer`	`bad address`
`07:40.08`	`thresh`	`okay. now we need to do some black magic :-)`
`07:40.17`	`thresh`	`do you know the address of your name server on host machine?`
`07:40.43`	`aboyer`	`resolv.conf gives me 130.188.1.3`
`07:40.55`	`thresh`	`okay. do you have PR1.1 or your N900?`
`07:41.00`	`aboyer`	`yes`
`07:41.36`	`thresh`	`then: echo "nameserver 130.188.1.3" > /var/run/resolv.conf && killall -HUP dnsmasq`
`07:42.49`	`thresh`	`you may want to add this info to some wiki page so no one will bother me again with that :-)`
`07:43.05`	`aboyer`	`i will do that`
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`07:43.37`	`thresh`	`nice`
`07:44.06`	`aboyer`	`it works!`
`07:44.25`	`thresh`	`super nice`
`07:45.16`	`aboyer`	`now the real test, will apt be able to install a package that is being served on the local network with dependencies from extras-devel...`
`07:45.34`	`thresh`	`provided you have a repository with that package, yes`
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`07:46.51`	`aboyer`	`would it also be possible to adjust the routes on the n900 such that it can ping the local lan via the USB networking and the internet via a WIFI connection? or is that asking too much?`
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`07:48.15`	`thresh`	`should work, though i don't really know if connection manager keeps usb connection on while you're connected to wifi`
`07:48.42`	`aboyer`	`i'm pretty sure it does`
`07:49.06`	`aboyer`	`i was ssh'ed into the n900 and accessing browsing the net on the n900`
`07:51.20`	`thresh`	`okay then`
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`08:43.57`	`Stskeeps`	`X-Fade: didn't you say update2?`
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`08:52.27`	`hrw\|gone`	`shit.`
`08:52.49`	`hrw\|gone`	`why nokia did not got even one button from headphones working...`
`08:53.10`	`Xisdibik`	`what?`
`08:54.51`	`hrw\|gone`	`Xisdibik: connect headphones, run xev, press button`
`08:55.06`	`hrw\|gone`	`on n810 it was XF86Phone button. on n900 it is nothing`
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`08:57.09`	`Corsac`	`http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/nokia-offering-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-on-smartphones-globa/ hmhm`
`08:57.34`	`Xisdibik`	`hrw\|gone: your asking why plugging in headphones isnt a button?>`
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`08:59.52`	`hrw\|gone`	`Xisdibik: no`
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`09:00.29`	`hrw\|gone`	`Xisdibik: bw-205 which are included in package with n900 have one button which normally is used to accept calls. and it does not work with n900`
`09:00.53`	`Xisdibik`	`OH`
`09:00.56`	`Xisdibik`	`gotcha`
`09:00.59`	`Xisdibik`	`i havnt used those yet`
`09:01.00`	`Xisdibik`	`;)`
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`09:01.34`	`hrw\|gone`	`;D`
`09:01.54`	`hrw\|gone`	`same probably is with hs-47 but I have to unpack them first`
`09:02.35`	`hrw\|gone`	`yp, same`
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`09:03.26`	`hrw\|gone`	`->off`
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`09:55.11`	`Stskeeps`	`andre__: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=487199#post487199 :>`
`09:55.17`	`Stskeeps`	`we should make posters like that`
`09:56.34`	`andre__`	`harhar`
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`09:57.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`yawns.`
`09:57.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I feel like we need to put that on the front of a t-shirt for andre__. :P`
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`10:03.34`	`jebba`	`got jackd going with mplayer ;)`
`10:11.11`	`timeless_mbp`	`GeneralAntilles: that would be nice`
`10:13.13`	`hendry`	`what does VDSO in VDSO support mean?`
`10:13.29`	`hendry`	`something todo with CPU transparency?`
`10:13.37`	`timeless_mbp`	`KernelGlossary - Linux Kernel Newbies`
`10:13.37`	`timeless_mbp`	`VDSO. Virtual Dynamically-linked Shared Object, a kernel-provided shared library that helps userspace perform a few kernel actions without the overhead of a`
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`10:14.52`	`crashanddie`	`yooooo`
`10:15.41`	`hendry`	`timeless_mbp: damn google has let me down. URL?`
`10:15.55`	`timeless_mbp`	`VDSO in VDSO, first google hit`
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`10:17.00`	`hendry`	`ok, might have been an idiot and mis-spelled it. Thanks`
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`10:35.50`	`odin_`	`can anyone describe what "str.w r5, [r4, #-4]!" in GAS syntax for ARM does... the ".w" is a data width ? 32bit ? is r5 the source of the store (and therefore unmodified) ? is the value of r4 taken, then 4 subtracted and the resulting value is used as a memory address which is the destination of the store (i.e. the value in r5 is copied into that memory location) ? does the trailing exclaimation mark make it also save this computed addre`
`10:35.50`	`odin_`	`ss back into r4 ?`
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`10:37.42`	`alterego`	`Think I might unsubscribe from the builder, after getting 300+ emails about some peice of software not being built properly yesterday :/`
`10:38.22`	`woglinde`	`alterego g`
`10:41.23`	`alterego`	`woglinde: ?`
`10:41.34`	`alterego`	`(g) ?`
`10:41.35`	`alterego`	`:)`
`10:42.00`	`woglinde`	`grin`
`10:42.08`	`alterego`	`Ah, that's what I suspected.`
`10:42.19`	`woglinde`	`hm mokia unprices ovi maps`
`10:42.22`	`woglinde`	`intressting`
`10:42.39`	`woglinde`	`instressting too yesterday I saw a navteq-car`
`10:42.47`	`alterego`	`I'm working on a nice app at the moment to do call recording (with multiple simultaneous call support) and it's also going to include a customisable voice mailbox. :)`
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`10:43.15`	`alterego`	`I'm also working on a real tiny app to imitate the S60 feature of saying a contacts name on an incoming call :D`
`10:43.41`	`woglinde`	`hm should be easy with espeak`
`10:43.48`	`alterego`	`uhuh`
`10:43.56`	`woglinde`	`hm let me see if espeak has python bindings`
`10:44.17`	`woglinde`	`yeah cool`
`10:44.18`	`woglinde`	`python-espeak`
`10:44.27`	`alterego`	`Does it have a CLI interface?`
`10:44.31`	`woglinde`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:44.35`	`woglinde`	`+know`
`10:44.36`	`alterego`	`Because that'd be fine too :)`
`10:44.49`	`woglinde`	`but thats really easy to make python-app hear on dbus`
`10:44.57`	`woglinde`	`and when the call comes`
`10:45.03`	`woglinde`	`launch espeak`
`10:45.03`	`alterego`	`woglinde: yeah, already done it.`
`10:45.07`	`woglinde`	`coolie`
`10:45.16`	`alterego`	`Just need a simple settings plugin and integrate with a speach synth`
`10:45.17`	`woglinde`	`idea of me`
`10:45.23`	`woglinde`	`I should patent it`
`10:45.44`	`alterego`	`The call monitoring code is obviously the same as in my call recording and voice mailbox app.`
`10:46.07`	`woglinde`	`je start it`
`10:46.13`	`woglinde`	`aeh start it`
`10:46.18`	`woglinde`	`flite is a mess`
`10:46.27`	`woglinde`	`espeak and festival I didnt yet test`
`10:46.28`	`alterego`	`I was wondering what happened to flite.`
`10:46.39`	`alterego`	`Played with that on the N8X0`
`10:46.42`	`woglinde`	`hm atleast flite with navit is a mess`
`10:46.47`	`alterego`	`Heh`
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`10:47.25`	`woglinde`	`jo maemo/nokia stuff joined back`
`10:47.40`	`alterego`	`IS it a known bug about no themeing for certificate adding dialog in microb?`
`10:48.02`	`woglinde`	`search the bugtracker`
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`10:48.17`	`woglinde`	`so I have to put some clothes on`
`10:48.19`	`woglinde`	`haha`
`10:48.25`	`woglinde`	`he pupnik`
`10:49.02`	`alterego`	`Doesn't seem to be ...`
`10:51.50`	`wazd`	`hello maemo`
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`10:56.46`	`RST38h`	`ehlo wazd`
`10:59.53`	`alterego`	`contemplates selling out and publishing something on ovi store ..`
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`11:06.29`	`woglinde`	`hi wazd`
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`11:07.50`	`alterego`	`Hrm, I need to become VAT registered and have a "proper" website. Ghey`
`11:08.06`	`woglinde`	`alterego g`
`11:08.36`	`ruskie`	`whatever for`
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`11:08.51`	`alterego`	`ruskie: to register as a publisher on ovi`
`11:08.53`	`woglinde`	`ruskie get hired`
`11:08.59`	`woglinde`	`ah`
`11:09.02`	`woglinde`	`sell stuff`
`11:09.06`	`Stskeeps`	`alterego: and liability insurance`
`11:09.17`	`alterego`	`Stskeeps: really? scht ..`
`11:09.29`	`Stskeeps`	`alterego: well, it isn't an abnormal thing to ask for`
`11:09.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`alterego, yeah, forget about Ovi. ;)`
`11:09.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`alterego, you aint big enough to play.`
`11:09.47`	`alterego`	`Can't I just distribute a disclaimer? :P`
`11:10.15`	`alterego`	`Damnit, well. I doubt anyone will do donations :(`
`11:10.21`	`alterego`	`FOSS it is then :'(`
`11:10.37`	`alterego`	`Or, I could sell the App to some other company ...`
`11:10.47`	`alterego`	`That is already an Ovi publisher ^.^`
`11:11.25`	`Stskeeps`	`or better yet, set up your own store ;p`
`11:11.46`	`alterego`	`We should have a free to use maemo.org store :P`
`11:12.06`	`ruskie`	`woglinde, VAT registration is not required to get hired last I checked`
`11:12.38`	`ruskie`	`woglinde, unless you are your own company or self employed I guess`
`11:12.56`	`alterego`	`ruskie: and in the UK only if you earn about 50k a year ;)`
`11:13.05`	`ruskie`	`:)`
`11:13.33`	`alterego`	`I dunno, I feel evil wanting to chargeN900 users for my maemo app.`
`11:13.43`	`alterego`	`But I reckon it would definitely make some money.`
`11:14.01`	`pupnik_`	`paypal 'donate' button in your app could be just as effective`
`11:14.27`	`ruskie`	`what's the app about? not like I'll ever buy anything for a GNU+Linux system... unless you offer it as Free Software(i.e. provide the sources under a nice license)`
`11:14.34`	`ruskie`	`pupnik_, not everyone likes paycrap ;)`
`11:14.43`	`ruskie`	`or even has an account or want's to use them`
`11:14.51`	`hendry`	`is there icu for maemo5? I can't find libicu-dev`
`11:15.16`	`ruskie`	`tried searching for "icu" directly?`
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`11:17.38`	`hendry`	`ruskie: er, yeah`
`11:17.55`	`blub_`	`hi all, I have written a small python app (5 Files) and i am currently trying to pack it. Where should I place it? /opt/www2sms/?`
`11:18.03`	`alterego`	`ruskie: it's a polished call recorder and voice mailbox.`
`11:18.17`	`alterego`	`I was thinking 1.50 GBP`
`11:18.40`	`woglinde`	`blub let it depends on pymameo-optify and thats it`
`11:18.56`	`woglinde`	`no need to tweak around your self with optify`
`11:19.07`	`blub_`	`woglinde: eh, okay, same game as with pytho-mechanize`
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`11:19.38`	`SpeedEvil`	`go for it!`
`11:19.44`	`blub_`	`woglinde: thanks`
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`11:21.14`	`woglinde`	`blub_ no quiet`
`11:21.22`	`woglinde`	`mameo-optify makes symlink`
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`11:21.31`	`woglinde`	`pymameo-optify makes overlay`
`11:22.46`	`alterego`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8395`
`11:23.29`	`andre__`	`alterego, you didn't report that one, did you?`
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`11:23.40`	`alterego`	`Yeah, why?`
`11:23.44`	`andre__`	`because it's been reported two times before ;-)`
`11:23.51`	`alterego`	`Oh, I couldn't find it ..`
`11:23.53`	`andre__`	`avoid dups is welcome :-D`
`11:24.04`	`alterego`	`I did a search and everything ..`
`11:24.06`	`andre__`	`no cookie for today ;-)`
`11:24.15`	`alterego`	`Damnit, can I delete it?`
`11:24.28`	`andre__`	`no :)`
`11:24.32`	`alterego`	`Crap ..`
`11:24.43`	`andre__`	`but I can close it :-P`
`11:24.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`alterego, sentence case in summaries.`
`11:24.55`	`alterego`	`GeneralAntilles: oh .. balls ;)`
`11:25.03`	`andre__`	`I think the problem is that default search covers only open reports.`
`11:25.07`	`andre__`	`yes, on the list for the update...`
`11:25.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Default search sucks.`
`11:25.16`	`alterego`	`andre__: okay. Oh well ..`
`11:25.18`	`andre__`	`searching in general sucks! :-P`
`11:25.20`	`alterego`	`I should just use google ;)`
`11:25.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`andre__, usuk.`
`11:25.27`	`alterego`	`makes a note.`
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`11:27.07`	`alterego`	`How "profitable" is a donate button. I don't think it'd be worth it really.`
`11:27.33`	`lupine_85`	`depends on your users, really`
`11:27.35`	`alterego`	`So my options are 1) Setup own distribution method. 2) Sell to a company. 3) FOSS`
`11:27.36`	`auenf`	`its profitable if it breaks even?`
`11:28.02`	`lupine_85`	`generally I'd say it's not worth the humiliation ;)`
`11:28.50`	`lupine_85`	`if you want to make money in software, write custom software. otherwise, get with the hippy program :)`
`11:28.53`	`ruskie`	`alterego, 4) Sell+FOSS`
`11:29.20`	`FIQ`	`is there any opera (desktop/mobile) available for maemo (or debian through easy-debian)?`
`11:29.32`	`slonopotamus`	`bug 5406 has really weak argumentation against fixing it.`
`11:30.09`	`slonopotamus`	`so you have powers to fork full browser (microb) but don't have powers to fix one crappy dialog.`
`11:30.34`	`alterego`	`ruskie: Not sure how I'd do that.`
`11:30.41`	`alterego`	`Or what you mean exactly ;)`
`11:31.16`	`lupine_85`	`alterego, generally, FOSS projects make money by selling support for their software`
`11:31.27`	`lupine_85`	`or dual-licensing it and charging for the closed-source licenses`
`11:32.36`	`alterego`	`Well, I doubt support will be required ..`
`11:32.52`	`woglinde`	`w`
`11:32.53`	`woglinde`	`ups`
`11:32.59`	`Stskeeps`	`alterego: if you make it clear that even the smallest donation is welcome, that will help`
`11:33.01`	`alterego`	`Oh well, FOSS and I'll make a donate button on a website somewhere.`
`11:33.06`	`Stskeeps`	`i've had 250 eur donations at one point, he`
`11:33.09`	`Stskeeps`	`h`
`11:33.16`	`Stskeeps`	`(for a non-maemo project)`
`11:33.35`	`alterego`	`m-hmm, I don't think the maemo community will be particularly generous tbh ;)`
`11:33.38`	`alterego`	`Would you? :D`
`11:33.41`	`woglinde`	`alterego hm best way is get expert for a foss programm and than get hired to do customize it for clietns`
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`11:34.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`alterego, I'm planning on attempting to get it to injure and maim my roommate so I can sue you.`
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`11:34.37`	`ruskie`	`lupine_85, you can sell even the normal version`
`11:34.51`	`ruskie`	`alterego, you can sell the FOSS version with the same license as the free one`
`11:34.57`	`alterego`	`I wonder if there'll be a maemo developer employment surge. :)`
`11:34.58`	`ruskie`	`those that care about it will certainly buy it`
`11:35.24`	`ruskie`	`alterego, and by call recorder do you mean something that would record calls automatically as they happen?`
`11:35.34`	`alterego`	`3rd party developers I mean, mobile software houses.`
`11:35.49`	`alterego`	`ruskie: yes. Also handles multiple calls.`
`11:36.06`	`alterego`	`pauses and resumes recording when you switch to/from active call.`
`11:36.24`	`alterego`	`Only records if the call actually connects properly.`
`11:36.48`	`ruskie`	`I bought a cd copy of bzflag for example and that FOSS... the only thing is what license you are using(i.e. one that requires a source) and how you provide the raw source? i.e. maybe just source for the unpayed version and build+source for the payed one`
`11:36.58`	`alterego`	`And a summary page which shows a list of recordings.`
`11:37.20`	`pupnik_`	`GPL allows you to charge as much as you can for distribution actually`
`11:37.38`	`ruskie`	`yeah GPL does not exclude commercial software`
`11:37.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Sell the .deb through Ovi, distribute source on maemo.org or summuch.`
`11:37.55`	`pupnik_`	`yup`
`11:37.59`	`ruskie`	`feel free to sell it the only provision is to provide the source on request or directly`
`11:38.02`	`alterego`	`GeneralAntilles: ovi registration requires VAT reg, and liability insurance (apparently).`
`11:38.30`	`pupnik_`	`I think the source needs to be available through same or equivalent distribution channel.`
`11:38.30`	`lupine_85`	`xchat do a fun selling Windows builds`
`11:38.41`	`pupnik_`	`that is one rogue author`
`11:38.43`	`ruskie`	`pupnik_, it can be a written offer valid for 3 years`
`11:38.50`	`pupnik_`	`ah ty`
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`11:39.16`	`lupine_85`	`had to squeeze source code for his adsl router out of a company last week`
`11:39.20`	`lupine_85`	`they're sending it on a CD`
`11:39.26`	`woglinde`	`lupine_85 lol`
`11:39.27`	`lupine_85`	`crazy people`
`11:39.40`	`woglinde`	`at least the send it`
`11:39.47`	`lupine_85`	`woglinde, it's an embedded linux - I just want to compile an ipv6.ko for it`
`11:39.48`	`woglinde`	`thats not the standard`
`11:40.04`	`woglinde`	`lupine_85 which embedded?`
`11:40.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`lupine_85, lucky you didn't have to sue.`
`11:40.30`	`lupine_85`	`just a general linux + uclibc + busybox environment`
`11:40.36`	`lupine_85`	`2.4"`
`11:40.39`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`11:40.54`	`woglinde`	`what the hell someone does 2.4 these days`
`11:40.58`	`woglinde`	`for new products`
`11:41.01`	`lupine_85`	`they're a small company (Lex) and I had the retailer (LinITX) and one of the copyright holders bugging them too`
`11:41.10`	`lupine_85`	`woglinde, in embedded, it's very common`
`11:41.12`	`lupine_85`	`even 2.2`
`11:41.14`	`woglinde`	`no`
`11:41.28`	`woglinde`	`only when you dont have a clue`
`11:41.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`A common condition.`
`11:41.43`	`lupine_85`	`I'm just glad it's not VxWorks`
`11:42.38`	`lupine_85`	`2.4 is perfectly fine for embedded linux`
`11:43.06`	`lupine_85`	`it had its last release nobember last yeart`
`11:43.25`	`woglinde`	`lupine no`
`11:43.30`	`lupine_85`	`http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ChangeLog-2.4.37.7 :)`
`11:43.35`	`woglinde`	`even denk now thinks other`
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`11:43.49`	`lupine_85`	`I have no idea who or what a denk is`
`11:44.12`	`woglinde`	`mainauthor of u-boot`
`11:44.32`	`lupine_85`	`ah`
`11:44.41`	`lupine_85`	`(router uses uboot :) )`
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`11:48.48`	`rom1dep`	`hello! I can't find gst-launch in my path anymore, has it been droped since the last update or is it me ?`
`11:49.46`	`SpeedEvil`	`there for me`
`11:51.58`	`alterego`	`rom1dep: you need to install the gstreamer-tools package`
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`11:53.31`	`rom1dep`	`alterego: thanks, i'm installing it...`
`11:53.34`	`woglinde`	`ho speedevil`
`11:53.56`	`rom1dep`	`great, thanks :)`
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`11:57.47`	`alterego`	`rom1dep: np`
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`12:04.31`	`vesa`	`canola2 still doesn't support adding audio files from anywhere else than the default directory. which sucks.`
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`12:07.50`	`slonopotamus`	`vesa: you'll have to wait for canola3.`
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`12:12.14`	`red`	`vesa: MediaBox is the best player imo at the moment`
`12:12.33`	`red`	`can create playlist out of folders, play folders, access any place etc`
`12:12.40`	`timeless_mbp`	`alterego: use google ad services on your web page and include a link to it from your product`
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`12:14.02`	`vesa`	`red: thanks, i'll give it a try`
`12:14.55`	`red`	`vesa: took me a moment to get used to the GUI though`
`12:15.15`	`timeless_mbp`	`andre__: bug 8017 comment 10 is funny`
`12:15.23`	`timeless_mbp`	`he's basically saying "it works in the browser"`
`12:15.28`	`red`	`bug 8017`
`12:15.29`	`timeless_mbp`	`"it's Lame in hildon"`
`12:15.44`	`red`	`wheres the url! pff :)`
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`12:16.13`	`timeless_mbp`	`if you can't find it, you aren't worth it`
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`12:19.30`	`pupnik_`	`As an enhancement request, the discussion has some validity.`
`12:19.45`	`vesa`	`red: i hope it isn't always this slow to open all albums... i thought the default media player was slow but daamn.`
`12:20.03`	`range`	`7act`
`12:20.16`	`red`	`vesa: I disabled from settings that it re-indexes on every startup`
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`12:20.30`	`red`	`so after I created couple playlists out of the folders I wanted, it's faster`
`12:20.35`	`range`	`Oh man. Today is not my day with irssi commands.`
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`12:22.01`	`woglinde`	`hm someone knows what you can do with gstreamer0.10-nokia-speech?`
`12:22.27`	`vesa`	`red: i did that, clicked 'index now' and it's still just openining all albums with nothing coming to view...`
`12:23.08`	`vesa`	`well, i'll leave it for like 30mins if it's still not done then screw it =)`
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`12:25.22`	`red`	`vesa: iirc it was still in testing or devel so there could be some bugs dunno`
`12:25.28`	`red`	`for me its worked better than any player I tested so far`
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`12:25.48`	`Naughty`	`well hello. what a nice registeration thingy thing here`
`12:25.51`	`vesa`	`the default is fine if you don't use any playlists. that's the only gripe i really have.`
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`12:26.37`	`lopz`	`hola`
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`12:53.27`	`hrw`	`re`
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`12:57.02`	`pupnik_`	`8017 isn't a bug at all, is it?`
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`12:59.58`	`andre__`	`I also tend to close it`
`13:00.02`	`andre__`	`arrr`
`13:00.08`	`andre__`	`"lean towards", I mean :)`
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`13:00.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Haha`
`13:01.27`	`pupnik_`	`it is complaining about the normal speed of the device, not some specific instance where scrolling becomes slow`
`13:01.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`!bug 8017`
`13:02.01`	`SpeedEvil`	`~8017`
`13:02.02`	`red`	`that aint working`
`13:02.06`	`red`	`:<`
`13:02.19`	`red`	`someone could paste the link, cba to go browsing on the n900`
`13:02.28`	`_berto_`	`just seen that bug`
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`13:02.38`	`_berto_`	`we're actually considering increasing the frame rate on hildonpannablearea`
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`13:02.41`	`pupnik_`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8017`
`13:02.42`	povbot`	`Bug 8017: Kinetic scrolling with low frame rates`
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`13:02.53`	`_berto_`	`but don't expect huge improvements`
`13:03.02`	`w00t`	`_berto_: heh, so it's not a hw bottleneck?`
`13:03.04`	`_berto_`	`it's noticeable in text-only lists`
`13:03.18`	`SpeedEvil`	`even calendar`
`13:03.48`	`andre__`	`feel free to comment (and get the flames) :-P`
`13:04.20`	`igagis_`	`Hi`
`13:04.57`	`igagis_`	`Can anyone help me with the missing libpulse0 dependency? I cannot promote theremin package to testing because of that`
`13:05.15`	`igagis_`	`isn't that libpulse0 lib supposed to be in the repos?`
`13:06.08`	`_berto_`	`w00t: yes and no`
`13:06.30`	`_berto_`	`w00t: those operations are not hw-accelerated`
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`13:07.33`	`Kegetys`	`is there a config file or something for adjusting the resolution options in the n900 camera? I'd like to add an option to take, for example, 1mpix images directly`
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`13:08.52`	`SpeedEvil`	`yeah`
`13:09.01`	`SpeedEvil`	`especially as it really isn't a 5mp camera.`
`13:09.03`	`SpeedEvil`	`It's 2MP`
`13:09.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`Sure - it has 5 million pixels.`
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`13:09.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`However - assuming the camera is absolutely optically perfect - and achieves 100% of the theoretical diffraction limits - it can't hit that with a 1.8mm lens.`
`13:10.39`	`adeus`	`maybe thei're so good they bent the laws of physics`
`13:10.53`	`vesa`	`laws... they're just guidelines =P`
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`13:11.27`	`angasule`	`remembers Young Einstein splitting an atom with chisel and hammer`
`13:11.33`	`vesa`	`Kegetys: hmm, never noticed before. same kegetys that did LFS mods?`
`13:11.41`	`Kegetys`	`vesa: yes...`
`13:11.43`	`inz`	`vesa, or guesses`
`13:11.59`	`vesa`	`Kegetys: nice job with those back in the day =)`
`13:12.13`	`Kegetys`	`thanks :P`
`13:12.17`	`igagis_`	`Is it possible to completely turn off clicking sound when I toch the screen of N900?`
`13:12.24`	`igagis_`	`on N810 it was possible`
`13:13.01`	`igagis_`	`via settings N900 doesnt allow to make no sound at all`
`13:13.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`settings -> input IIRC`
`13:13.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes it does.`
`13:13.18`	`igagis_`	`is it possible to acheive this at least through some kind of hacking?`
`13:13.20`	`Nitial`	`touch screen sounds -> off`
`13:13.20`	`vesa`	`huzzah for the maemo community, all panic can be shelved. kegetys is here =P`
`13:13.59`	`Kegetys`	`I have been here before, just got my N900 today so I came back ;)`
`13:14.13`	`igagis_`	`SpeedEvil, what is IIRC?`
`13:14.26`	`igagis_`	`In the settings there is a "Display" item`
`13:14.29`	`igagis_`	`I click it`
`13:14.46`	`vesa`	`Kegetys: you planning on doing something in particular or just playing around for now?`
`13:14.47`	`Nitial`	`settings -> profile`
`13:15.02`	`igagis_`	`and there I have checkbox "Screen with vibration" or somethink like that`
`13:15.27`	`igagis_`	`If I clear the checkbox the vibrations disappear but sound is still played`
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`13:15.47`	`Nitial`	`the touch screen sounds are in profiles`
`13:16.01`	`Nitial`	`just scroll down`
`13:16.03`	`igagis_`	`Nitial, ah, ok, thanks, found it`
`13:16.09`	`Kegetys`	`vesa: no idea, probably dont have the time to do much unless I really need something myself`
`13:16.10`	`aep`	`did anyone get the twitter account plugin working? it just sits there doing nothing on login for me`
`13:16.53`	`vesa`	`Kegetys: aye, i'm stuck doing s60 stuff again =( hoping this project will be over soon so i can get back to ogl es 2 goodness`
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`13:17.30`	`blub_`	`okay, I don't get it... where should I place my files when my program depends on pymaemo-optify. Here's my rules file: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/168349/ and here's my control file: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/168352/`
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`13:18.14`	`blub_`	`just throwing them into debian/www2sms/ does not work... they end up in /`
`13:18.32`	`pupnik_`	`blub_: in case nobody here knows, perhaps some of the authors of existing python packages can help`
`13:19.00`	`blub_`	`pupnik_: should go to maemo-devel :-)`
`13:19.11`	`blub_`	`pupnik_: but thanks for the good idea`
`13:20.06`	`Jaffa`	`blub_: Depends how you're code is written; try debian/opt/www2sms/ and then your .desktop file can launch /opt/www2sms/www2sms_gui.py`
`13:20.27`	`blub_`	`Jaffa: okay, thats a deal`
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`13:21.21`	`pupnik_`	`yeah debian is the top-level temp dir, and subdirs of that are / on the target`
`13:22.01`	`pupnik_`	`maybe i can use this - thanks blub_`
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`13:23.21`	`blub_`	`pupnik_: what do you wan't to use?`
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`13:23.36`	`inz`	`It should be debian/<packagename>/wherever/you/want/to/install/it/to`
`13:23.59`	`pupnik_`	`ty inz`
`13:24.13`	`inz`	`So in Jaffa's example it would go to package "opt" and to /www2sms/...`
`13:24.15`	`pupnik_`	`blub_: i want to get something uploaded to extras this week`
`13:24.33`	`blub_`	`inz: okay, i was confused about pymaemo-optify, thats why I threw everythin in debian/<package>/`
`13:24.41`	`blub_`	`pupnik_: ah, np`
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`13:25.01`	`inz`	`Well, I don't really know what pymaemo-optify does, but I would guess it throws files from certain directories to another directories`
`13:25.21`	`inz`	`So I would guess it does som'n like usr/bin => opt/pymaemo/bin (or similar)`
`13:25.56`	`inz`	`I may very well be wrong, but that kind of functionality would a) make sense, and b) be implementable`
`13:26.38`	`blub_`	`inz: and i thought it would handle the entire location... but that was obviously wrong :-)`
`13:26.44`	`lizardo`	`inz: pymaemo-optify only handles a few directories`
`13:26.54`	`Jaffa`	`blub_: inz is right`
`13:27.00`	`lizardo`	`inz: more specifically the ones where Python modules are installed`
`13:27.11`	`Jaffa`	`inz: pymaemo-optify is also a runtime thing`
`13:27.14`	`lizardo`	`/usr/bin, for instance, is not optified by pymaemo-optify`
`13:27.39`	`inz`	`Well, that does make sense too =)`
`13:27.54`	`lizardo`	`blub_m inz : so far, from what I've seen , most "big" python application are doing their own optification`
`13:29.29`	`lizardo`	`pymaemo-optify is more suitable for python packages that provide modules (e.g. python-evolution and all PyMaemo packages), for application which do not install to Python paths (e.g. /usr/lib/python2.5) , some manual optification might be needed...`
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`13:31.18`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, seem bug 8000? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8000 i did some preliminary debugging`
`13:31.20`	povbot`	`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8000 UPnP streaming movies: sound plays fine, video is stuck on first frame`
`13:31.21`	povbot`	`Bug 8000: UPnP streaming movies: sound plays fine, video is stuck on first frame`
`13:33.57`	`felipec`	`zaheerm: nope, I'm not CC'ed... I guess I should start watching the multimedia product bugs`
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`13:35.23`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, what is interesting is the file plays back fine locally and that the output of dspvdec (serialised to gdp) when passed in from an http url is a single frame even if played back on a desktop`
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`13:41.14`	`blub_`	`lizardo: okay, thanks for the info`
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`13:42.29`	`felipec`	`zaheerm: the first video is known to be wrong: generated by a buggy depayloader`
`13:42.58`	`felipec`	`zaheerm: the second one throws this with ffplay: Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected`
`13:43.13`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, the first video plays fine locally and according to the report played fine with pr1.0`
`13:43.54`	`felipec`	`zaheerm: I bet that's not true`
`13:44.13`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, what i don't understand is why when it gets it over http, it fails but when stored on device it plays fine`
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`13:45.01`	`felipec`	`zaheerm: but with artifacts, right?`
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`13:45.57`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, it plays fine without artefacts with gst-launch -v filesrc location=/home/user/MyDocs/test1.avi ! avidemux ! dspvdec ! xvimagesink`
`13:46.23`	`felipec`	`zaheerm: that's the second video`
`13:46.50`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, there are 2 videos attached, i am talking about the avi`
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`13:46.59`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, the mp4 file plays fine over http and locally`
`13:47.09`	`felipec`	`there's "test.avi" (first), and "test1.avi" (second)`
`13:47.33`	`blub_`	`Desktop icons belong to /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/? Am I right?`
`13:47.57`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, i am talking about https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1980`
`13:48.00`	`felipec`	`zaheerm: ah, wait, those are other clips... disregard that`
`13:50.10`	`blub_`	`mmmh, I guess a better place is /usr/share/applications/hildon`
`13:50.36`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, is that bug same as #8043 which talks about http streaming of avi and is fixed in your internal builds?`
`13:51.05`	`woglinde`	`hi felipec`
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`13:51.38`	`felipec`	`zaheerm: could be, do you want me to try with the latest internal build?`
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`13:52.05`	`zaheerm`	`felipec, if you could, then #8000 can be closed`
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`13:52.38`	`timeless`	`anyone here have 10mins, an n900 and have never used rss feed reader?`
`13:53.23`	`zaheerm`	`timeless, i qualify for last 2 bits`
`13:53.24`	`woglinde`	`timeless where is your mhp`
`13:53.55`	`woglinde`	`timeless but I qualify for all 3`
`13:54.22`	`timeless`	`@home, it's lunch time`
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`13:54.46`	`timeless`	`zaheerm: i'll try you`
`13:54.56`	`zaheerm`	`timeless, ok`
`13:54.59`	`timeless`	`note that you'll need to disconnect your n900`
`13:55.10`	`zaheerm`	`disconnect from where?`
`13:55.12`	`timeless`	`and disable any autoconnect options in network`
`13:55.17`	`timeless`	`wifi/gprs`
`13:55.55`	`zaheerm`	`done`
`13:56.03`	`timeless`	`i.e. if you need to use your n900 for gtalk/skype, you aren't a good person for this`
`13:56.05`	`timeless`	`ok`
`13:56.16`	`timeless`	`do you have catorise?`
`13:56.20`	`zaheerm`	`yes`
`13:56.26`	`timeless`	`and which language does your device speak`
`13:56.31`	`zaheerm`	`english`
`13:56.41`	`timeless`	`and which language does your device speak`
`13:56.43`	`timeless`	`british?`
`13:56.51`	`zaheerm`	`let me check`
`13:57.02`	`zaheerm`	`english (uk)`
`13:57.17`	`timeless`	`ok`
`13:57.26`	`timeless`	`do you have an app open?`
`13:57.32`	`zaheerm`	`no`
`13:57.43`	`timeless`	`tap the top left corner`
`13:57.51`	`zaheerm`	`ok`
`13:57.55`	`timeless`	`tap Network`
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`13:58.05`	`zaheerm`	`ok`
`13:58.17`	`timeless`	`-- please stop me if any string doesn't match what you see`
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`13:58.30`	`zaheerm`	`so far so good`
`13:58.46`	`an0therb0x`	`did the firmware update for the n900 remove the capability to go online and make phone calls at the same time ?`
`13:59.17`	`an0therb0x`	`i notice now that if i try to pull up a web page while on a call it errors "cellular data unavailable"`
`13:59.20`	`frade`	`lizardo, ping`
`13:59.30`	`frade`	`lizardo, opened a new bug about more missing functions in the bindings`
`13:59.31`	`timeless`	`tap RSS?`
`13:59.38`	`frade`	`lizardo, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8399`
`13:59.40`	`zaheerm`	`tapped`
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`13:59.49`	`zaheerm`	`oh shit, i have used rss before :(`
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`13:59.56`	`timeless`	`!`
`14:00.14`	`zaheerm`	`must have been months ago or something and i forgot, sorry`
`14:00.21`	`zaheerm`	`i see 2 feeds then it asks me to connect`
`14:00.35`	`timeless`	`cancel the connect dialog`
`14:00.44`	`timeless`	`press ctrl-shift-p`
`14:00.56`	`zaheerm`	`done`
`14:00.58`	`timeless`	`how do you know you used it before?`
`14:01.11`	`zaheerm`	`i see 2 twitter feeds there`
`14:01.25`	`zaheerm`	`and it says i am subscribed to them`
`14:01.41`	`timeless`	`those might be defaults`
`14:01.42`	`woglinde`	`zaheerm seems they are stanadrd`
`14:01.50`	`woglinde`	`I have two of them too`
`14:01.53`	`timeless`	`what icon do you see next to them?`
`14:01.55`	`zaheerm`	`aaah`
`14:02.02`	`zaheerm`	`a blue twitter logo`
`14:02.16`	`zaheerm`	`one is maemo and one is WeAreMaemo i think`
`14:02.18`	`timeless`	`ponders`
`14:02.22`	`woglinde`	`pressing ctrl-shift-p makes me knots in the fingers`
`14:02.31`	`zaheerm`	`"Feeds have never been refreshed"`
`14:02.46`	`zaheerm`	`so maybe i've never used it :)`
`14:02.52`	`woglinde`	`twitter logo here too`
`14:03.01`	`timeless`	`do you have any wifi ap's that do not have internet access?`
`14:03.09`	`zaheerm`	`yes i do`
`14:03.18`	`alterego`	`Was thinking of writing a program that allows encoded data through a phone call.`
`14:03.21`	`timeless`	`tap refresh`
`14:03.35`	`zaheerm`	`tapped, selection dialog comes up`
`14:03.35`	`timeless`	`when asked for a network, pick one those 'bad' ones`
`14:03.36`	`alterego`	`Can't think of any real practical use, was kinda thinking of sending GPS coords, but I dunno.`
`14:03.53`	`zaheerm`	`picked`
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`14:04.12`	`timeless`	`lemme know if anything changes`
`14:04.23`	`zaheerm`	`its still trying to connect to the wifi`
`14:04.37`	`zaheerm`	`and the connecting widget at bottom is pulsing`
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`14:04.54`	`woglinde`	`icon changed`
`14:04.57`	`timeless`	`i'm hoing the icons will change fwiw`
`14:05.07`	`woglinde`	`g`
`14:05.08`	`zaheerm`	`"Internet connection failed. Unable to returieve IP address from server. Try again?"`
`14:05.19`	`woglinde`	`its now rss-fes icon with red !`
`14:05.20`	`zaheerm`	`icons didn't change`
`14:05.26`	`woglinde`	`for one`
`14:05.28`	`zaheerm`	`let me try the other ap i have without net`
`14:05.31`	`woglinde`	`now both`
`14:05.34`	`timeless`	`woglinde: that's what i wanted`
`14:05.36`	`timeless`	`great`
`14:05.40`	`woglinde`	`fine`
`14:05.43`	`timeless`	`RESOLVED IDIOTS`
`14:06.03`	`zaheerm`	`yep i get oriange feed icons with a red !`
`14:06.19`	`timeless`	`we have 'testers' who complain that they see that icon`
`14:06.28`	`timeless`	`instead of the twitter icon`
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`14:06.37`	`zaheerm`	`ok..`
`14:07.10`	`woglinde`	`timless internal qs?`
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`14:07.21`	`woglinde`	`hm QA`
`14:07.28`	`timeless`	`sure`
`14:07.37`	`timeless`	`i'd call them contracted monkies`
`14:07.49`	`zaheerm`	`what does the ctrl-shift p thing do?`
`14:07.55`	`woglinde`	`my wife is doing QA too`
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`14:08.07`	`timeless`	`open images`
`14:08.10`	`woglinde`	`zaheerm hm active hidden rotate mode?`
`14:08.11`	`timeless`	`you'll see`
`14:08.13`	`woglinde`	`oh`
`14:08.14`	`woglinde`	`okay`
`14:08.42`	`timeless`	`err`
`14:08.50`	`timeless`	`please get a second pictue`
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`14:08.56`	`timeless`	`w/ the other icons`
`14:09.01`	`timeless`	`silly me`
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`14:09.18`	`woglinde`	`my wife is working in QA too`
`14:09.21`	`woglinde`	`g`
`14:09.27`	`woglinde`	`and she is really pedantic`
`14:09.45`	`timeless`	`i'm not trying to insult monkeys`
`14:09.55`	`timeless`	`and i'm sure good qa exists`
`14:10.03`	`timeless`	`it's just that...`
`14:10.24`	`timeless`	`this internal 'report' is not an exampe of that`
`14:11.03`	`woglinde`	`hm`
`14:11.13`	`timeless`	`s/pe/ple/`
`14:11.23`	`woglinde`	`sometimes they can learn how to write proper reports`
`14:11.54`	`timeless`	`1/100?`
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`14:13.37`	`woglinde`	`but I wonder how nokia could failed at the telefonnumberpad not to allow *100#`
`14:14.28`	`woglinde`	`even qtopia supported it`
`14:14.33`	`woglinde`	`with utf8`
`14:14.35`	`woglinde`	`out`
`14:14.39`	`woglinde`	`but it worked`
`14:14.54`	`hrw`	`woglinde: but this is nokia Maemo team`
`14:15.20`	`hrw`	`with designers which never used pda/phone/tablet before`
`14:15.21`	`auenf`	`you're complaining about features missing from a 'phone' that is using a not complete software base?`
`14:15.42`	`hrw`	`auenf: define 'not complete software base'`
`14:15.55`	`woglinde`	`auenf *100# is common test case which every phonemaker should pass`
`14:16.08`	`auenf`	`wtf does *100# do?`
`14:16.10`	`hrw`	`auenf: if you mean 'maemo 2009.51.1' then sorry, but so far it is 'complete' as much as possible`
`14:16.26`	`timeless`	`it actually requires effort to support properly`
`14:16.43`	`timeless`	`that was i believe a management choice`
`14:16.46`	`auenf`	`maemo 5 has always been said is not complete for mainstream`
`14:16.52`	`woglinde`	`timeless than the error message is wrong`
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`14:16.57`	`timeless`	`just like not supporting mms`
`14:17.02`	`woglinde`	`it should be not suportted`
`14:17.11`	`woglinde`	`instead of no telephonenumber`
`14:17.30`	`woglinde`	`auenf *1xx# numbers are provider specific commands`
`14:17.40`	`auenf`	`ok, so what does that particular one do ;)`
`14:17.47`	`woglinde`	`you can get your current ammount of prepaid card for instance`
`14:17.52`	`timeless`	`it isn't a phone nujmber`
`14:18.07`	`timeless`	`fwiw, for me i get a bunch of unlocalized strings`
`14:18.08`	`woglinde`	`timeless sure sure`
`14:18.12`	`pupnik_`	`coming in pr1.2 woglinde - discussed to death`
`14:18.12`	`timeless`	`followed by finnish`
`14:18.19`	`auenf`	`no pre-paid provider in my country uses those commands for $ remaining`
`14:18.21`	`woglinde`	`pupnik g`
`14:18.21`	`tg`	`woglinde: yeah i was missing ussd support too, seems like it would be fixed in pr1.2 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357#c91`
`14:18.27`	`timeless`	`because i haven't updated my translation`
`14:18.35`	`woglinde`	`okay`
`14:18.42`	`woglinde`	`I will never start the rant again`
`14:18.46`	`tg`	`woglinde: btw, are you the one working on navit for maemo5?`
`14:18.47`	`timeless`	`the finnish is my provider being stupid`
`14:18.48`	`pupnik_`	`it is a real issue in germany, you are correct`
`14:18.52`	`woglinde`	`tg jupp`
`14:18.58`	`alterego`	`I keep trying to use ping to test the usb network connection but forgetting that the N900 doesn't respond to ping! >:(`
`14:19.02`	`auenf`	`its been a known issue from day 1`
`14:19.07`	`tg`	`woglinde: what's the state of it? is it already usable to some extent?`
`14:19.13`	`woglinde`	`tg I am think this evening its ready`
`14:19.20`	`timeless`	`auenf: -1`
`14:19.23`	`tg`	`woglinde: cool, ping me and i'll test ;]`
`14:19.25`	`timeless`	`we didn't promise it`
`14:19.34`	`tg`	`if you provide a binary`
`14:19.50`	`woglinde`	`tg because espeak works you will even have routing commands spoken`
`14:19.54`	`tg`	`yay`
`14:19.57`	`auenf`	`mainly due to maemo 5 not being as feature complete as nokia would have hoped, but they decided to release something, rather than piss off the community by delaying it for another year`
`14:20.17`	`hrw`	`timeless: nokia does not says what will be done and when.`
`14:20.21`	`timeless`	`i'm not sure we hoped for more than we delivered`
`14:20.35`	`hrw`	`even pr1.2 can be delayed and released for n1223`
`14:20.40`	`timeless`	`hrw: we announced our feature set at launch event`
`14:20.48`	`timeless`	`it didn't mention ussd`
`14:20.55`	`timeless`	`= no promise of it :)`
`14:21.10`	`auenf`	`what i mean is: maemo 5 took a while too come out compared to time between previous releases`
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`14:21.29`	`pupnik_`	`~/MyDocs $ espeak "woooot"`
`14:21.48`	`hrw`	`auenf: if they would delay it for one more year then they would not have niche for it`
`14:21.55`	`hrw`	`hej Tomek`
`14:22.01`	`woglinde`	`tg there is a bug at freetype which let navit segfault when fontcache is enabled`
`14:22.02`	`TomaszD`	`hej`
`14:22.08`	`auenf`	`so rather than the community moving away from maemo due to what may appear to be nothing happening, they released maemo 5 to pump the community back up, etc, etc`
`14:22.10`	`woglinde`	`but there is workaround now`
`14:22.15`	`tg`	`mmhm`
`14:22.23`	`woglinde`	`and it worked`
`14:22.23`	`tybollt`	`aaargh, my phone is botched :(`
`14:22.33`	`woglinde`	`tybollt how that?`
`14:23.04`	`auenf`	`and they even said from day 1 with maemo 5 that there is some things they are still working on that they couldnt get done in time for the initial maemo 5 release`
`14:23.58`	`tybollt`	`there's some problem either w/ the radio or the speaker - not sure - but when talking on the phone the sound "comes and goes". I'm quoting that because it is very hard to describe but right in the middle of a conversation all of a sudden the sound can drop to an almost non hearable volume and then after a few seconds it will pick up to normal again.`
`14:24.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`Some had to be done by the community.`
`14:24.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`See moobox.`
`14:24.05`	`tybollt`	`very very weeird issue and it is random`
`14:24.19`	`hrw`	`auenf: or 'we give you maemo5 which needs lot of work to be done but we are working on maemo6 which will require new device'`
`14:24.33`	`tybollt`	`no idea how to fix that.`
`14:24.56`	`auenf`	`how will it require a new device when the processor platform will be unchanged ;)`
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`14:25.46`	`zaheerm`	`screen hardware is different`
`14:26.00`	`zaheerm`	`it will support multitouch, while n900 doesn't`
`14:26.19`	`auenf`	`but maemo 6 wont be limited to capacitive will it ;)`
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`14:26.51`	`woglinde`	`tybollt that are the wonders of pulseaudio`
`14:27.10`	`inz`	`tybollt, are you adjusting the volume with your cheek?-)`
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`14:27.36`	`tybollt`	`woglinde: Ouch! Would you mind elaborating though?`
`14:27.37`	`zaheerm`	`auenf, there has been a "no comment" from nokia people whether maemo 6 will be available for n900`
`14:27.45`	`auenf`	`correct`
`14:28.09`	`auenf`	`maemo 6 has been confirmed to support multi-touch and capacitive, but will they be compulsary on maemo 6 ;)`
`14:28.22`	`zaheerm`	`that, only nokia people know...`
`14:28.30`	`tybollt`	`inz: That's my first reaction too...`
`14:28.37`	`zaheerm`	`and even then, not even sure if they do yet`
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`14:29.00`	`woglinde`	`anyone want to see the qt multitouch video again?`
`14:29.08`	`FIQ`	`wants to have maemo6 on N900`
`14:29.12`	`Dialekt`	`html5 is here to stay?`
`14:29.31`	`Dialekt`	`hey wasnt nokia supposed to announce something on thursday`
`14:29.34`	`Dialekt`	`yesterday?`
`14:29.40`	`woglinde`	`dialekt sure`
`14:29.43`	`SpeedEvil`	`They did. To a select group of testers.`
`14:29.44`	`inz`	`free navigation for all!`
`14:29.51`	`woglinde`	`you dont have to pay for ovi maps`
`14:29.53`	`zaheerm`	`Dialekt, yes free navigation voice guided`
`14:29.54`	`Dialekt`	`haw`
`14:29.58`	`Dialekt`	`yawn`
`14:30.03`	`SpeedEvil`	`gets on his n1000 powered pogo-stick, and rides off into the sunset.`
`14:30.05`	`Dialekt`	`google beat em i guess`
`14:30.58`	`zaheerm`	`i'm pretty sure availability outside usa and preloadable maps are big selling points for ovi's version`
`14:30.58`	`tybollt`	`seriously`
`14:31.13`	`tybollt`	`the phone in my n900 is entirely unusable like this`
`14:31.21`	`FIQ`	`"To a selected group of testers"`
`14:31.25`	`FIQ`	`meh`
`14:31.31`	`Dialekt`	`unusable like what tybollt ?`
`14:32.14`	`tybollt`	`"there's some problem either w/ the radio or the speaker - not sure - but when talking on the phone the sound "comes and goes". I'm quoting that because it is very hard to describe but right in the middle of a conversation all of a sudden the sound can drop to an almost non hearable volume and then after a few seconds it will pick up to normal again."`
`14:32.19`	`tybollt`	`like that`
`14:32.35`	`Dialekt`	`ouch`
`14:32.47`	`tybollt`	`apparently it's due to pulseaudio...`
`14:32.58`	`tybollt`	`which is funny cause I don't hear others having this problem?`
`14:33.13`	`tybollt`	`perhaps I'm the only one actually using my device to make phone calls ;)`
`14:33.36`	`auenf`	`<timeless> auenf: -1 <-- :(`
`14:33.49`	`auenf`	`and you are still beating me in idletail`
`14:34.20`	`zaheerm`	`tybollt, i don't have the problem you describe`
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`14:35.03`	`tybollt`	`zaheerm: exactly`
`14:35.03`	`zaheerm`	`and i've had > 60 hours of phone calls since i got my phone`
`14:35.23`	`tybollt`	`if it was a general pulseaudio issue surely lots of people would report this`
`14:35.25`	`zaheerm`	`so i doubt you can blame pulseaudio just yet, could be anything`
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`14:35.36`	`woglinde`	`jo lardman`
`14:35.41`	`tybollt`	`although I guess from the description it sounds more like software than HW issue`
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`14:45.10`	`pupnik_`	`tybollt: what happens when you adjust volume using the volume buttons during a call?`
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`14:45.44`	`pupnik_`	`q: has anyone gotten any scripts to trigger with N900 irssi? it appears to be missing`
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`14:46.17`	`pupnik_`	`libperl_core.so`
`14:46.52`	`pupnik_`	`it might be helpful to use espeak to notify on privatemessages and nick hilights`
`14:48.07`	`cehteh`	`speech recognition ftw .. and then a phone to irc bridge`
`14:48.48`	`pupnik_`	`if I write anything it will surely be a wonderful shell exploit ;)`
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`14:49.32`	`cehteh`	`haha`
`14:49.52`	`cehteh`	`there is the shellbot.sh irc thingy .. just a few lines of bash giving a irc client`
`14:52.16`	`koala_man`	`how do I replace the default locations in the maps search?`
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`14:57.46`	`tybollt`	`also`
`14:58.04`	`tybollt`	`pupnik_: that doesn't change things much`
`14:58.35`	`tybollt`	`pupnik_: it will change the audio output level accordingly but then shortly after the problems will be back`
`14:58.57`	`tybollt`	`am I the only one to have desktop widgets magically dissappearing between reboots?`
`14:59.01`	`pupnik_`	`"Actually I wish there was some quick and easy way to record tunes that play inside my head; on some mornings I get these cool melodies playing in my head and then they're gone forever." - Skaven`
`14:59.26`	`koala_man`	`what's the "best" map reading app for the N900?`
`14:59.48`	`woglinde`	`map reading?`
`14:59.55`	`woglinde`	`whats that?`
`15:01.46`	`koala_man`	`map browser, map viewer, whatever you want to call it`
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`15:03.16`	`koala_man`	`I basically just want to bookmark some locations and see where I am in relation to them. I can't get the default map app to do that, it always wants to take me to paris and the waldorf hotel`
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`15:03.51`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tybollt: (audio) this might be caused by your carrier's audio processing, or even the far end device, as well`
`15:03.52`	`odin_`	`has anyone had gdb on N900 trying to set breakpoints on an unmapped memory location when you set a breakpoint on a DSO symbol and you trying to single-step through the DSO code ?`
`15:04.42`	`woglinde`	`koala_man navit can do this`
`15:04.53`	`woglinde`	`I think I can upload it this evening`
`15:05.24`	`red`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:05.27`	`red`	`So as this seems to be a generic "Make things faster and look better" report I`
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`15:05.30`	`red`	`am going to close it as INVALID.`
`15:05.39`	`red`	`Agreed on there, but as an issue with N900 it's far from invalid. :P`
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`15:05.52`	`andre__`	`red, it's invalid as a bug.`
`15:05.58`	`odin_`	`is there a gdb command to show where symbols are being loaded from ? so i can check this debian style /usr/lib/debug/.... is being picked up for both the executable and the DSO... since I can see source code inside the DSO, I presume something must be working, maybe I need -g3 ?`
`15:06.00`	`red`	`andre__: yeah, thats what I agreed upon :)`
`15:06.23`	`red`	`Think the guy did a bug report on it to get more attention`
`15:06.41`	`andre__`	`maybe. that's quite counter-productive though :)`
`15:06.45`	`red`	`yeh`
`15:06.56`	`red`	`not much the community can do about it, since isnt the GUI closed`
`15:07.01`	`red`	`so Nokia should asses it`
`15:07.22`	`tybollt`	`DocScrutinizer: well... yeah`
`15:08.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tybollt: you might try speakerphone and/or wired headset and/or BT headset to gather further details`
`15:08.47`	`tybollt`	`DocScrutinizer: thing is I have this w/ everyone I call not just the one party... that'd rule out the other end - yeah? The thing w/ the carrier voice compression or whatever.. that's... I mean this is Telenor they are big if they had such problems hundreds of thousands of people would have this problem, no?`
`15:08.56`	`hrw`	`which bug red?`
`15:09.12`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tybollt: if it's a PA flaw you would expect the sympthoms change on doing so`
`15:09.27`	`red`	`hrw: shit framerates for scrolling in about every place`
`15:09.47`	`alterego`	`Well, got my multiple call handling working in my call recorder, (not implemented conference call recording)`
`15:09.52`	`hrw`	`red: scrolling is crap anyway on n900`
`15:10.08`	`alterego`	`Though, conference call recording is probably the killer feature for charging business usage ^.^`
`15:10.23`	`red`	`hrw: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35239`
`15:10.23`	`hrw`	`alterego: it uses contactnames+numbers for filenames?`
`15:10.31`	`alterego`	`hrw: indeed.`
`15:10.31`	`red`	`hrw: ofcourse the bug was closed but the issue still remains`
`15:10.40`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tybollt: (if telenor had such...) nah, carriers' audio processing is a really screwed thing. They may dynamically switch algorithms to match the situation. Even based on IMEI etc`
`15:10.47`	`pupnik_`	`nice alterego :) tybollt perhaps you could record a call to see whether the issue is related to playback volume, or actual audio data`
`15:10.56`	`hrw`	`alterego: does it beeps during recording?`
`15:11.18`	`alterego`	`hrw: no, would you like that feature? :P`
`15:11.39`	`alterego`	`I'll add it to my feature wishlist if you do.`
`15:11.47`	`alterego`	`It ios a good idea.`
`15:12.14`	`tybollt`	`DocScrutinizer: Oh? wow... that's surprisingly anal :)`
`15:12.34`	`hrw`	`alterego: I do not want, but some countries law require such stuff iirc`
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`15:12.51`	`alterego`	`hrw: oh, great, good to know thank you :)`
`15:13.07`	`hrw`	`alterego: i used call recording under symbian ;)`
`15:13.31`	`hrw`	`alterego: want suggestions? ;D`
`15:13.49`	`alterego`	`hrw: would you like it to play an auto "This call may be recorded for ..." at the beginning of every cfall? :D`
`15:13.59`	`alterego`	`hrw: if you've got any, I'd love suggestions.`
`15:14.25`	`alterego`	`hrw: it's an all-in-one call recorder and voice mailbox app btw :)`
`15:14.54`	`DocScrutinizer`	`alterego: well, playback of a beep.wav shouldn't differ much from Ã¼playback of a announcement.wav anyway ;-D`
`15:14.58`	`tybollt`	`"This call may be recorded for quality purposes..."`
`15:15.06`	`alterego`	`Heh`
`15:15.25`	`alterego`	`"This call may be recorder by the NSA :P"`
`15:15.34`	`SpeedEvil`	`quality or training purposes.`
`15:16.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`alterego: real-time transcription to text of incoming calls being screened`
`15:16.17`	`hrw`	`alterego: 1. add beeping as option, 2. record all calls (gsm, skype, sip, jabber, etc), 3. provide UI similar to Phone application one, 4. disable tracker access to stored calls (so they not appear in mediaplayer), 5. give playback option with working slider to quickly move in call, 6. add option to just record - useful for recording notes/meetings`
`15:16.18`	`alterego`	`Hahahah`
`15:16.42`	`SpeedEvil`	`and full text search of all conversations`
`15:16.58`	`SpeedEvil`	`Including ones just picked up when in pocket - and gps tagged`
`15:16.58`	`alterego`	`4 already thought of :)`
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`15:17.50`	`alterego`	`SpeedEvil: I think those features would require you to give me a substantial donation :P`
`15:17.54`	`alterego`	`Nice ideas though.`
`15:18.14`	`DocScrutinizer`	`well I guess SpeedEvil wuld be highly interested on all your findings regarding 4)`
`15:18.25`	`hrw`	`alterego: 7. store as contactname/numberused/method/direction - so "Joe User/+442131314111/gsm/incoming", "Amie Smith/amie@sip.example.org/sip:tlenofon/outgoing"`
`15:18.30`	`alterego`	`hrw: I was contemplating adding some info into calendar, but then thought it'd be a bit, pointless.`
`15:18.52`	`hrw`	`alterego: option to add such event after call would be interesting`
`15:18.55`	`alterego`	`hrw: you forgot the timestamp :P`
`15:19.07`	`hrw`	`alterego: but calendar does not allow to add links etc so no use`
`15:19.15`	`hrw`	`alterego: I thought that you do that already ;d`
`15:19.17`	`alterego`	`Yeah, my point exactly.`
`15:19.25`	`alterego`	`:)`
`15:20.09`	`alterego`	`So, you want the names to be as useful as they can for you? Presumably so you can instantly know what it was when you look at the list yourself? I was going to implement a recordings list anyway.`
`15:20.26`	`hrw`	`alterego: add option to see calls with person - so "show me all calls with Joe User" etc`
`15:20.37`	`alterego`	`Sure, "sort list by user" :P`
`15:20.58`	`hrw`	`alterego: not "sort by user" - show calls with user sorted by timestamp`
`15:21.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`notes while in all?`
`15:21.11`	`alterego`	`hrw, okay, group by user :P`
`15:21.13`	`DocScrutinizer`	`alterego: option to switch between "start recording with dialling finished" and "start recording at call established"`
`15:21.19`	`hrw`	`alterego: yep`
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`15:21.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`if on headset that is`
`15:21.43`	`hrw`	`SpeedEvil: thats other app I think`
`15:21.49`	`SpeedEvil`	`Also the ability to tag voice before a call`
`15:22.00`	`alterego`	`hrw: even though I plan on disabling tracker, it's occured to me that the meta-info would be useful. Is there a way do you think of disabling recordings in the media-player, but still using tracker.`
`15:22.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`so you get ready to dial a call - hit dial, it starts recording - you hit dial again and it dials`
`15:22.12`	`alterego`	`Then you could add tags and meta-info to your recordings ..`
`15:22.20`	`hrw`	`alterego: did not checked tracker internals`
`15:22.28`	`SpeedEvil`	`'call to john to arrange killing' forex`
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`15:22.39`	`alterego`	`hrw: it's more media player internals this.`
`15:22.53`	`hrw`	`SpeedEvil: you do not call from call recorder...`
`15:23.02`	`hrw`	`SpeedEvil: call recorder works as a daemon`
`15:23.23`	`SpeedEvil`	`ah`
`15:23.24`	`alterego`	`I could make my own tracker mimetype "audio/format+csd-call"`
`15:23.28`	`alterego`	`etc`
`15:23.46`	`alterego`	`Or something like that.`
`15:23.49`	`hrw`	`alterego: better not`
`15:23.54`	`alterego`	`That would stop media player using it I'd presume.`
`15:24.15`	`hrw`	`alterego: store as AAC/MP3/OGG whatever so you can reuse media framework to play recordings`
`15:24.20`	`alterego`	`Well, it is designed to index multiple types of data ..`
`15:24.38`	`alterego`	`hrw: that wouldn't stop the media framework from playing it, just showing it in the media player index.`
`15:24.45`	`hrw`	`alterego: ok`
`15:25.03`	`alterego`	`media player can play files explicitly, it's about keeping it out of the music list.`
`15:25.33`	`alterego`	`So, I would have a better "recordings" program.`
`15:25.48`	`alterego`	`Which you use to select the recordings.`
`15:25.49`	`hrw`	`alterego: later you can add option to bump volume during playing recorded call as often voice is too quiet`
`15:26.10`	`alterego`	`hrw: volume controls? :P`
`15:26.22`	`alterego`	`Well, that's kind of transcoding.`
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`15:26.44`	`hrw`	`alterego: volume control often end before wanted level ;d`
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`15:26.50`	`alterego`	`It's obviously possible, but then I'm moving into audio-processing. Though that feaature is useful, I'm not sure I want to do it :P`
`15:27.08`	`alterego`	`I could have a volume normalisation whilst actually recording.`
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`15:28.53`	`hrw`	`alterego: better not - you can destroy quality`
`15:28.58`	`alterego`	`Isn't someone trying to port audacity? You could use that for "post-production" tasks too :P`
`15:29.09`	`pupnik_`	`kill it with FIRE`
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`15:29.22`	`alterego`	`Heh`
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`15:32.10`	`red`	`attempting to change background from the desktop I only see the three themes there and clicking more shows no images`
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`15:33.10`	`red`	`can't I just pick an custom image?`
`15:34.02`	`red`	`oh fuck me, mass storage mode :P`
`15:34.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`red: desktop-menu -> change wallpapaer`
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`15:34.54`	`red`	`yeye, I was in mass storage mode so no access to file system`
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`15:44.45`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, around?`
`15:45.25`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, yep`
`15:45.59`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39299&page=6`
`15:46.10`	`TomaszD`	`there seems to be an issue with "Subtitles Support"`
`15:46.21`	`TomaszD`	`I'm not sure, maybe the deps are screwed up`
`15:46.37`	`TomaszD`	`if you could offer any insight...`
`15:46.39`	`zaheerm`	`what is "subtitles support" ?`
`15:46.50`	`TomaszD`	`a package`
`15:46.55`	`TomaszD`	`for external subs support`
`15:47.06`	`TomaszD`	`not mine`
`15:47.09`	`zaheerm`	`oh`
`15:47.17`	`zaheerm`	`let me look for it`
`15:47.39`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=subtitles`
`15:48.17`	`TomaszD`	`a guy complained that he couldn't play anything, no avi, no mp3, so he re-installed subtitles support and now everything works fine for him`
`15:48.21`	`TomaszD`	`I've seen similar reports`
`15:48.24`	`zaheerm`	`wtf`
`15:48.32`	`zaheerm`	`that sounds crazy....`
`15:49.04`	`zaheerm`	`it's a new package since 19/1/2010`
`15:49.06`	`TomaszD`	`"I keep getting an error i would translate it to "can't process task" or something like that. "`
`15:49.09`	`zaheerm`	`so after pr1.1`
`15:49.48`	`TomaszD`	`"`
`15:49.49`	`TomaszD`	`Reinstalling Subtitle Support fixed my problem."`
`15:50.14`	`TomaszD`	`I looked at the gstreamer package and it's technically sound`
`15:50.37`	`TomaszD`	`not sure about the mafw subtitles renderer though`
`15:51.33`	`zaheerm`	`it only installs libgstpango and libgstsubparse`
`15:51.50`	`hrw`	`that reminds me that I had to check how good it works`
`15:51.56`	`zaheerm`	`no postinst no postrm`
`15:52.55`	`zaheerm`	`checking renderer code`
`15:53.39`	`TomaszD`	`I'm thinking that there might be a version mismatch somewhere, but damn... even then it shouldn't fail that hard`
`15:53.51`	`zaheerm`	`my guess is the renderer is buggered`
`15:53.51`	`RST38h`	`moos evilly`
`15:54.15`	`zaheerm`	`the rendere is used for all media playback in media player`
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`15:54.47`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6823`
`15:54.53`	`TomaszD`	`this might be a coincidence`
`15:55.49`	`zaheerm`	`hmm`
`15:55.58`	`zaheerm`	`that could be related`
`15:56.17`	`davyg`	`hello i wanted to know how i can increase the space on root filesystem, i see that bootinf from the flash cart was a good idea but i didn't find any explanation for n900?`
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`15:56.44`	`TomaszD`	`maybe the thumbnailerd get stuck on unsupported formats`
`15:56.47`	`TomaszD`	`*gets`
`15:56.55`	`TomaszD`	`and then refuses to play anything else`
`15:57.42`	`hrw`	`davyg: dig into maemo wiki`
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`15:58.32`	`TomaszD`	`davyg, the root file system is, AFAIK, on a separate 256MB chip, using a highly compressed file system. I don't think you can increase space.`
`15:58.34`	`RST38h`	`thumbnailerd should not affect playback`
`15:58.39`	`RST38h`	`stuck or not`
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`15:58.47`	`TomaszD`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8165`
`15:58.55`	`TomaszD`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6823`
`15:59.02`	`TomaszD`	`these two reports are interesting`
`16:00.26`	`davyg`	`TomaszD, yes i've see that that's why i wanted to boot from the flash cart but it looks like it will be slower`
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`16:01.02`	`davyg`	`hrw, ok i will continue searching in it`
`16:01.32`	`alterego`	`Just implemented an "Incoming Call Firewall" program. :)`
`16:01.42`	`sr71`	`nice`
`16:01.59`	`sr71`	`details?`
`16:02.18`	`alterego`	`What details? :P`
`16:02.36`	`alterego`	`It's not particularly complicated, no UI.`
`16:02.56`	`alterego`	`If I decide it's worth developing I'll make a settings manager plugin that allows you to add "rules".`
`16:03.00`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, i can't see anything majorly wrong in the renderer code`
`16:03.09`	`alterego`	`Not sure if anyone would find it useful.`
`16:03.12`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, i am guessing a reboot would probably have also fixed it...`
`16:03.12`	`sr71`	`that's very useful feature. I don't know why most phones don't come with that by default`
`16:03.19`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, probably true`
`16:03.31`	`alterego`	`Well, if you think so I'll make a UI and package it up this weekend.`
`16:03.51`	`sr71`	`cool, I'd definitely be interested`
`16:03.53`	`zaheerm`	`alterego, how do you intercept the call ui getting the call?`
`16:04.24`	`alterego`	`zaheerm: I don't, is there an issue with that?`
`16:04.38`	`zaheerm`	`alterego, so what does the incoming call firewall do?`
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`16:08.59`	`RST38h`	`Tomaszd: Have you really connected SixAxis?`
`16:09.19`	`hrw`	`TomaszD: do you know where from gst-launch can be fetched?`
`16:09.36`	`TomaszD`	`RST38h, does not compute. I don't even own a PS3.`
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`16:09.47`	`pupnik_`	`espeak "Destroy the humanoid"`
`16:09.47`	`TomaszD`	`hrw, gstreamer-tools I suppose`
`16:10.14`	`hrw`	`righ.. I searched for utils`
`16:10.19`	`hrw`	`not tools ;d`
`16:10.21`	`mtnbkr`	`pupnik_: lol!`
`16:10.25`	`TomaszD`	`search for "gstreamer" ...`
`16:11.31`	`RST38h`	`Tomasz: Hm!`
`16:11.46`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, I think we should move to registering the formats from one place, not have every package do it for itself, I doesn't look like tracker is going to get more stable, just registering once should not make it die`
`16:12.08`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, although I've no idea how to move to that solution non-disruptively`
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`16:12.54`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, i can remove it from gstreamer0.10-flv but then your next decoders-support should dep on that version`
`16:13.06`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, i can't help wrt ogg however`
`16:13.19`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, I'd have to remove it from ... musepack and rm`
`16:13.30`	`TomaszD`	`ogg-support is fine, uses central location`
`16:13.35`	`zaheerm`	`ok`
`16:13.59`	`zaheerm`	`so once 0.3.4-1 gets into extras, i will do the flv package`
`16:14.03`	`TomaszD`	`what would be the best solution for this move... upload a non-installable central package and then the deps?`
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`16:14.22`	`zaheerm`	`non-installable?`
`16:14.22`	`TomaszD`	`I don't want people complaining that they got decoders support, but nothing is working`
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`16:14.44`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, I mean, have it with dependencies from the future :)`
`16:14.49`	`RST38h`	`sadly notices that PR1.1 still gets really slow after 6-7 days of uptime`
`16:14.59`	`TomaszD`	`so it's not installable before we actually upload the fixed deps`
`16:15.07`	`hrw`	`TomaszD: so 'decoders support' will depend on gstreamer-{fmt1,fmt2,...,fmtN} and prepostinst depend on it somehow?`
`16:15.35`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, i don't get the logic of doing that`
`16:15.43`	`TomaszD`	`ok, let me rewind`
`16:16.06`	`alterego`	`zaheerm: it just immediatly disconnects the call.`
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`16:16.26`	`TomaszD`	`if we upload dependencies that don't register anything, and someone then downloads decoders-support, nothing will work`
`16:16.28`	`zaheerm`	`alterego, so call ui appears and then disappears?`
`16:16.35`	`alterego`	`Yeah`
`16:16.43`	`matthew-`	`hmm`
`16:16.46`	`matthew-`	`Where is ALT in terminal ?`
`16:16.55`	`matthew-`	`or how to use it ... ;-)`
`16:16.57`	`alterego`	`matthew-: there is no alt`
`16:17.04`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, aaah so non-installable package hits extras-devel first`
`16:17.10`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, you got it now`
`16:17.12`	`TomaszD`	`:)`
`16:17.13`	`zaheerm`	`yep`
`16:17.26`	`zaheerm`	`that should be done, when we're ready with all the packages`
`16:17.31`	`TomaszD`	`yep`
`16:17.32`	`zaheerm`	`but before any of them upload`
`16:17.43`	`zaheerm`	`good idea`
`16:17.44`	`TomaszD`	`so as to make it a short transition`
`16:18.06`	`hrw`	`TomaszD, zaheerm: can you guys adopt also mod-support package (and other such ones)?`
`16:18.07`	`TomaszD`	`let's relax and wait for the latest one hit extras first, votes are already there`
`16:18.21`	`TomaszD`	`hrw, I've looked at mod support code, it's super ugly`
`16:18.22`	`odin_`	`do you have to explicltly set "-mthumb" to have thumb code generated ? does GDB fully support debugging of thumb code?`
`16:18.26`	`zaheerm`	`yah we shoudl wait till it hits extras`
`16:18.29`	`RST38h`	`TomaszD: Btw, any news on subtitles support?`
`16:18.33`	`TomaszD`	`and I don't think many people need it`
`16:18.57`	`hrw`	`TomaszD: my app needs it ;(`
`16:18.58`	`RST38h`	`odin: Yes, and you also need to enable the interworking`
`16:18.58`	`TomaszD`	`RST38h, well, not my package, haven't tested it, there is a mafw renderer for it, a settings applet`
`16:19.24`	`zaheerm`	`RST38h, your mileage may vary as with most things only in extras-devel`
`16:19.27`	`RST38h`	`Tomsazd: There is a renderer and an applet already?!? Where?`
`16:19.36`	`odin_`	`RST38h, interworking ? is that a runtime/linkage concept ? or a gdb/debugging concept ?`
`16:19.49`	`hrw`	`TomaszD: I just want to suggest to create gst-packaging-team which will take care of gstreamer related packages`
`16:19.53`	`zaheerm`	`RST38h, i've never used it so can't recommend it, code looks sane for renderere`
`16:19.55`	`TomaszD`	`RST38h, go to the web package search and type "subtitle" :)`
`16:20.07`	`RST38h`	`odin: Interworking code is some code compiler has to insert into compiled code to make arm32 and thumb functions coexist`
`16:20.15`	`RST38h`	`TomaszD: =)!!`
`16:20.22`	`zaheerm`	`hrw, is there a need to make it official?`
`16:20.35`	`TomaszD`	`hrw, not sure how that will work, there are only three people doing this atm anyway`
`16:20.50`	`RST38h`	`Tomaszd: Only brings mplayer`
`16:20.56`	`zaheerm`	`reminds me i should put a new zoutube in`
`16:20.57`	`hrw`	`zaheerm: '17:15 < TomaszD> hrw, I've looked at mod support code, it's super ugly'`
`16:21.12`	`odin_`	`RST38h, that is not enabled by default ? since jump locations encode the THUMB or ARM in the bottom bit, as all insn's are at least 16bit aligned`
`16:21.20`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, the package is ugly or the gst plugin is?`
`16:21.32`	`TomaszD`	`the package`
`16:21.37`	`TomaszD`	`the plugin is most likely fine`
`16:21.39`	`TomaszD`	`:)`
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`16:21.48`	`RST38h`	`odin: Why don't you google for it? =)`
`16:21.53`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, well we can help him/her fix it`
`16:22.17`	`zaheerm`	`and it should probably be added to decoders-support really rather than creating yet another -support package`
`16:22.20`	`TomaszD`	`judging by the mess, it's definitely a "he"`
`16:22.48`	`TomaszD`	`well, true`
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`16:23.39`	`TomaszD`	`Ideally there should only be one, if this was Maemo 4, I'd opt for more granularity, but it makes no sense here`
`16:23.57`	`zaheerm`	`well there is granularity`
`16:24.00`	`TomaszD`	`I'm already re-using code from ogg-support`
`16:24.02`	`zaheerm`	`install the gst packages manually`
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`16:24.21`	`TomaszD`	`ah, but you soon won't get the formats to register this way zaheerm`
`16:24.25`	`zaheerm`	`for normal people using h-a-m, decoders-support suffices`
`16:24.50`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, apt-get .... ; tracker-register-mimetype .... :)`
`16:25.12`	`zaheerm`	`granularity is only needed by people who would know what to do, in this case`
`16:25.38`	`TomaszD`	`riight, I can see average joe getting rootsh, sudo gainroot, apt-get tracker-utils gstreamer0.10-*, tracker-register-mimetype ...`
`16:25.46`	`zaheerm`	`hey we could do what pixelpipe in, and create an ovi store app for every little format we added :)`
`16:25.46`	`TomaszD`	`:)`
`16:26.03`	`zaheerm`	`s/in/did/`
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`16:26.21`	`TomaszD`	`we could, we could also hang ourselves in the process`
`16:26.25`	`zaheerm`	`lol`
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`16:26.34`	`TomaszD`	`brb`
`16:26.36`	`zaheerm`	`yah so forget the granularity`
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`16:31.15`	`lardman`	`not wanting to read the TMO thread, what is the take on the new Ovi maps, will we get it?`
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`16:32.03`	`hrw`	`lardman: probably no one from nokia will say yes/no`
`16:32.15`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, well, how do you convince kulve to abandon Ogg Support then ;)`
`16:32.17`	`lardman`	`hrw: yeah`
`16:32.35`	`lardman`	`TomaszD: do you need to convince him really?`
`16:32.39`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, i think ogg-support should stay`
`16:32.39`	`lardman`	`kulve: ?`
`16:32.55`	`TomaszD`	`well, so we'll just have two packages then.`
`16:33.04`	`zaheerm`	`TomaszD, if only to promote Ogg`
`16:33.08`	`lardman`	`thinks some sort of GStreamer codec selection app would be useful`
`16:33.16`	`TomaszD`	`notice the ";)" :)`
`16:33.22`	`lardman`	`TomaszD: I know :)`
`16:33.23`	`zaheerm`	`lardman, codec selection for? :)`
`16:33.28`	`TomaszD`	`lardman, no, that would only be useful for nerds`
`16:33.40`	`lardman`	`well single app that lists codecs available and allows you to (un)install them`
`16:33.41`	`TomaszD`	`it would confuse normal people`
`16:33.58`	`lardman`	`yeah I guess so, almost a mini HAM on its own`
`16:34.00`	`zaheerm`	`lardman, i don't think it's useful really...`
`16:34.03`	`kulve`	`lardman: ?`
`16:34.11`	`lardman`	`kulve: see above ;)`
`16:34.21`	`TomaszD`	`I already fell into the trap of being too verbiose in my instructions for my package, so let's not get more nerdy`
`16:34.24`	`hrw`	`https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16130344&postID=8233815534754190331 - I wonder does Ari Jaaksi reads comments ;d`
`16:34.26`	`TomaszD`	`*verbose`
`16:34.38`	`lardman`	`zaheerm: well if there will be lots of different gst codec packages it might be`
`16:35.18`	`lardman`	`While browsing the bug tracker iirc, I seem to remember seeing mention that integration of the calendar and maps would be a Fremantle goal, but in TMO is says Harmattan`
`16:35.19`	`zaheerm`	`lardman, i can't see there being many different packages`
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`16:35.26`	`kulve`	`lardman: what part?`
`16:35.35`	`lardman`	`zaheerm: np`
`16:35.42`	`woglinde`	`re`
`16:35.47`	`lardman`	`kulve: about your support of ogg, but not a problem`
`16:35.52`	`kulve`	`I think maemo should have ubuntu style codec support, where new gst plugins can be installed automatically by App.Mgr. when needed`
`16:36.01`	`zaheerm`	`kulve, totally agreed`
`16:36.16`	`TomaszD`	`zaheerm, let's go with the plan once new decoders-support lands in extras, let's move registering to the central place, strip the deps of registering, then figure out the mod support thing`
`16:36.18`	`zaheerm`	`it is probably actually doable without any changes`
`16:36.20`	`kulve`	`I recommend filing bugs against ogg-support, if something is wanted. Then I don't miss them and can easily react to them :)`
`16:37.08`	`zaheerm`	`kulve, have you played with the theora dsp implementation?`
`16:37.13`	`TomaszD`	`kulve, we are not putting the quality of ogg-support into question here, we were pondering the aspect of convergence and having just one package for all additional decoders`
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`16:38.09`	`kulve`	`zaheerm: nope..`
`16:38.39`	`kulve`	`TomaszD: I'm not sure if it's good idea to install 100MB of codecs when you only want one.. Of course it would be quite convenient otherwie`
`16:38.43`	`zaheerm`	`kulve, it is on code.entropywave.com if you fancy playing with it`
`16:39.03`	`TomaszD`	`kulve, convenience trumps everything else in a consumer device, and it would never be 100MB`
`16:39.05`	`zaheerm`	`i think 100Mb is an overstatement :)`
`16:39.27`	`TomaszD`	`I think 10mb is what we get if we install decoders-support now with all deps`
`16:39.37`	`TomaszD`	`which includes ogg-support`
`16:40.02`	`woglinde`	`hi tomaszd`
`16:40.09`	`zaheerm`	`i still think ogg should have its own package`
`16:40.22`	`TomaszD`	`people have no idea what "ogg" is`
`16:40.33`	`zaheerm`	`exactly`
`16:40.44`	`hendry`	`argh, why is rootfs so small rootfs 227.9M 199.4M 24.3M 89% /`
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`16:40.58`	`TomaszD`	`and exactly for that reason they won't install it, and again, this is why I'm pulling it as a dep`
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`16:41.14`	`cehteh`	`rephrase your statement .. why is it so ugly set up .. small rootfs is fine`
`16:41.21`	`TomaszD`	`woglinde, hi`
`16:41.35`	`woglinde`	`ah nice my company considers maemo strategic platform`
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`16:42.45`	`hrw`	`ok, let fight with those subtitles...`
`16:42.55`	`hrw`	`woglinde: so when openjdk in repo?`
`16:43.32`	`xorAxAx`	`dwimd is now ready for autoaway!`
`16:43.52`	`TomaszD`	`kulve, it would be cool if e.g. you could make the display name more descriptive, so that people could find it easier. Instead of "Ogg Support", it could be "Vorbis, Theora and FLAC Decoders Support", it would easily fit and look good.`
`16:43.52`	`zaheerm`	`tybollt, http://twitter.com/jaffa2/status/8066803875`
`16:44.42`	`TomaszD`	`I know that the description is already there, mentioning the formats, but it could be replaced with a generic statement that would actually explain it's for the built-in media player`
`16:45.08`	`RST38h`	`"it shows that - while terrorism is about ideology - it can also be about idiots."`
`16:45.11`	`hrw`	`TomaszD: or any other app which use gstreamer`
`16:45.37`	`alterego`	`zaheerm: when you say the cfall-ui, which bit do you mean? Because it just shows the "missed call" window in the task manager.`
`16:45.40`	`TomaszD`	`hrw, what do you mean?`
`16:45.50`	`wnd`	`if the system can/will install codecs on demand through package management, then all autoinstallable packages need to be extremely well tested against all other (autoinstallable) packages. if not, conflicts will turn the whole thing into horrible mess sooner rather than later.`
`16:45.51`	`alterego`	`It seems t ohappen to quickly for the "answer" window to pop up`
`16:46.04`	`kulve`	`TomaszD: that will the description in the 1.0.6 release, iirc`
`16:46.05`	`zaheerm`	`alterego, i mean the full screen UI that shows when you get a call at sametime ringtone starts`
`16:46.09`	`hrw`	`"that would actually explain it's for the built-in media player"`
`16:46.17`	`alterego`	`zaheerm: no, that isn't displayed`
`16:46.24`	`zaheerm`	`alterego, aaah great`
`16:46.28`	`TomaszD`	`kulve, great!`
`16:46.30`	`woglinde`	`hrw hm you test with jalimo overlay`
`16:46.33`	`woglinde`	`+can`
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`16:46.53`	`alterego`	`zaheerm: you get a small notification saying "missed call" and the usual blue flashing light and missed call window in the task manager.`
`16:46.57`	`woglinde`	`hrw hm the strategy includes qml/qt too`
`16:47.04`	`woglinde`	`g`
`16:47.05`	`hrw`	`woglinde: so far from java apps I would like Opera Mini/Mobile only`
`16:47.06`	`zaheerm`	`alterego, perfect`
`16:47.18`	`woglinde`	`hrw hm`
`16:47.33`	`woglinde`	`hrw give me 12 hours a day more`
`16:47.40`	`hrw`	`woglinde: I know`
`16:47.41`	`woglinde`	`and I would test it for you`
`16:47.44`	`alterego`	`Well, if people think it's useful, I'll make up a front end configurator and stick it into the settings manager`
`16:48.06`	`wnd`	`generally speaking "megapackages" are also bad idea. what if someone wants to replace codec A with another version from different source? he can't just remove the megapackage because other packages depend on it. "A" can't provide "megapackage" because it only provides fraction of its functionality.`
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`16:48.34`	`wnd`	`to get things like that to work nicely, things need to be perfectly planned beforehand -- or coordinated somehow`
`16:48.52`	`TomaszD`	`they're not megapackage, I'd call them meta-packages. And it's true that it's not good for a very small number of people, for most it works.`
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`16:49.34`	`TomaszD`	`the people who are inconvenienced with this solution can pull the deps separately and register formats manually without a problem.`
`16:50.11`	`zaheerm`	`yep i am with TomaszD on this`
`16:50.24`	`TomaszD`	`and yes, we are coordinating, discussing, figuring this out, so it doesn't break.`
`16:50.47`	`TomaszD`	`for now, we wait. Although we could take a look at this ugly mod support kludge, but I have no motivation, tbh.`
`16:50.52`	`TomaszD`	`bbl, gotta make some food`
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`16:51.43`	`hrw`	`TomaszD: smacznego then`
`16:52.01`	`matthew-`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMFiBwcVyQ`
`16:52.02`	`matthew-`	`:D`
`16:52.14`	`goodwill`	`disagrees with TomaszD`
`16:52.29`	`alterego`	`zaheerm: also, it does it so quickly. The caller sees "busy" :D`
`16:52.31`	`goodwill`	`TomaszD: there are not many other linux distros thatdo it this way`
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`16:53.02`	`wnd`	`metapackages are great if used properly`
`16:53.08`	`zaheerm`	`alterego, awesome`
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`16:54.19`	`goodwill`	`having one uber meta package for the entire stock install is not the best approach`
`16:54.24`	`wnd`	`as soon as things start to depend on metapackages instead of individual packages, it quickly becomes impossible to install alternative combinations`
`16:54.54`	`goodwill`	`wnd: yup`
`16:55.28`	`goodwill`	`like modest from git with IMAP IDLE support`
`16:56.47`	`alterego`	`zaheerm: should I look into removing it from missed calls entirely? Maybe just logging it in my own UI ^.^`
`16:57.07`	`zaheerm`	`alterego, i'd leave it in missed calls i think`
`16:57.18`	`_\|Nix\|_`	`Man! This is really bad! I install powatool, my N900 rebooted, it came back, and the name resolution is completely broken ... do I really have to re-flash? :(`
`16:57.25`	`alterego`	`Shame I can't tag it as "firewalled" :))`
`16:57.43`	`zaheerm`	`_\|Nix\|_, what does your /etc/resolv.conf say?`
`16:58.03`	`zaheerm`	`it should say: nameserver 127.0.0.1`
`16:58.29`	`_\|Nix\|_`	`zaheerm: It's empty ... I know it should say that ... I dunno why it's always set to empty.`
`16:58.59`	`hendry`	`my wireless connection to my n900 seems to stall. any tips to make it not sleep and to be responsive?`
`16:59.16`	`zaheerm`	`_\|Nix\|_, edit it to make it say nameserver 127.0.0.1`
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`16:59.41`	`_\|Nix\|_`	`zaheerm: I'm not getting any of those resolv.conf.wlan0 and resolv.conf.* files that dnsmasq needs though ...`
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`17:01.36`	`wnd`	`I'd probably start by defining "services" that codec packages could provide (Provides:). this way applications could depend to codec-ogg-vorbis and have almost any package to provide the support. all-in-one metapackages could then depend on these services, and users could still replace codecs with other implementations.`
`17:02.06`	`wnd`	`of course the smaller the pieces, the more likely you're going to have conflicts. also, it's not always easy to split things.`
`17:02.09`	`_\|Nix\|_`	`zaheerm: /etc/dnsmasq.conf says to use /var/run/resolv.conf{,.{wlan0,ppp0,lo,gprs}}`
`17:02.26`	`_\|Nix\|_`	`zaheerm: But those files do not exist.`
`17:02.41`	`caotic`	`Is anyone experiencing an increase in sound stuttering after last firmware updates in the n900 ?`
`17:02.55`	`zaheerm`	`_\|Nix\|_, then i have no clue, sorry`
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`17:04.24`	`alterego`	`Anyhow, I have until Tuesday to finish these apps. Then I have to give the N900 back to my brother. :'(`
`17:04.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`:/`
`17:05.54`	`alterego`	`I know, it's tragic`
`17:05.58`	`_\|Nix\|_`	`sigh... as soon as I change my network connection, "nameserver 127.0.0.1" disappears from my /etc/resolv.conf ...`
`17:06.56`	`odin_`	`my brother is never getting his hands on mine.... consider yourself lucky.... he he`
`17:07.28`	`alterego`	`odin_: Well, he's gone on holiday and he doesn't do software. Said I could borrow it for a week to test stuff out on.`
`17:07.42`	`alterego`	`It's going to make me very sad going back to the N96 after this :/`
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`17:09.34`	`alterego`	`Anyhow, home time. Later people.`
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`17:22.02`	`TomaszD`	`goodwill, oh really. You see, when I install ubuntu, I just pull one metapackage, ubuntu-restricted-extras, and I'm done with it. I don't go around installing things separately, I don't care for that. I want things to work. Again, this is not a linux distro point of view, it's a consumer device with normal non-nerd users.`
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`17:23.12`	`BadRobot`	`Hello`
`17:23.23`	`BadRobot`	`Wassup?`
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`17:24.15`	`BadRobot`	`Does someone knows how to copy numbers from the phone to sim card with n900?`
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`17:28.59`	`BadRobot`	`Is anybody in here?`
`17:29.18`	`hardaker`	`yes, but I haven't done what you're asking about.`
`17:29.36`	`hardaker`	`sadly, I failed to even do the inverse when I got my phone and ended up doing a vcard export from a different address book to do bootstrapping.`
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`17:34.03`	`BadRobot`	`With android is was my easier`
`17:34.37`	`BadRobot`	`I am considering to ditch my n900 for nexus one`
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`17:34.59`	`jkimball4`	`_Lucretia_: herro`
`17:35.23`	`jkimball4`	`this is a bad place to hang out. the only thing people do in here is bitch.`
`17:35.37`	`jkimball4`	`point-in-case right above`
`17:36.03`	`_Lucretia_`	`herror`
`17:36.05`	`_Lucretia_`	`herro`
`17:36.22`	`mikhas`	`or complain about complaints. point-in-case right above =p`
`17:36.42`	`jkimball4`	`mikhas: touchÃ© :)`
`17:37.15`	`mikhas`	`=)`
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`17:38.00`	`bfree`	`hardaker: seems you can use "get contacts" in the contacts menu and select "copy from sim". I can't find a "copy to sim" though :-/`
`17:38.13`	`bfree`	`bit late for you now though I guess ;-)`
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`17:38.42`	`hardaker`	`bfree: I actually think it might have been my treo's fault, not the n900`
`17:39.01`	`hardaker`	`in the end, it was probably just as easy to sync via wifi instead to my other database.`
`17:39.14`	`hardaker`	`unfortunately, both were out of sync with each other so either way i'm stuck.`
`17:39.39`	`bfree`	`hehe, I actually just bluetoothed all mine across from a treo in under a minute`
`17:41.20`	`pupnik`	`espeak is a good deal nicer than flite`
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`17:44.36`	`hardaker`	`should have thought about bluetooth.`
`17:44.46`	`kevloral`	`hi all`
`17:44.49`	`hardaker`	`flite didn't work at all for me...`
`17:45.02`	`hardaker`	`(I tried installing it for the OSM voice navigation, but it failed to produce text)`
`17:45.06`	`hardaker`	`err... speech`
`17:45.49`	`pupnik`	`mhm`
`17:46.21`	`BadRobot`	`My n900 also is having bluetooth problems i cant connect with my laptop`
`17:46.25`	`pupnik`	`the one for maemo doesn't have a default pause between words .. need to add -g 6 or so`
`17:46.56`	`BadRobot`	`This is my 3rd n900`
`17:47.34`	`woglinde`	`hardaker flite produce something`
`17:47.44`	`woglinde`	`but it seems to me it is played to fast`
`17:47.45`	`SpeedEvil`	`espeak works for me`
`17:47.49`	`woglinde`	`for me too`
`17:47.51`	`hardaker`	`it's possible it was updated and now it does...`
`17:47.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`Was using it yesterday for output from a script`
`17:48.06`	`BadRobot`	`What is espeak for ?`
`17:48.22`	`pupnik`	`for scaring people who steal your n900`
`17:48.28`	`BadRobot`	`Ok`
`17:48.31`	`BadRobot`	`Good`
`17:48.51`	`BadRobot`	`Does canola 2 works on n900?`
`17:48.52`	`pupnik`	`text-to-speech`
`17:49.01`	`hardaker`	`dynamic dns combined with remote ssh combined with: espeak "put down my phone, you ...."`
`17:49.23`	`\|R`	`>:]`
`17:49.27`	`pupnik`	`after taking a number of pictures with front camera and tracking location with gpsd`
`17:49.40`	`pupnik`	`and recording their voice`
`17:49.45`	`\|R`	`than flash the image you verified remotly with WANTED`
`17:49.51`	`pupnik`	`:D`
`17:50.02`	`hrw\|gone`	`bye`
`17:50.04`	`\|R`	`but then the phone will just get dumped in the trash`
`17:50.07`	`\|R`	`or jumped on`
`17:50.11`	`\|R`	`:P`
`17:50.15`	`woglinde`	`pupnik locationd`
`17:50.21`	`BadRobot`	`:-/`
`17:50.21`	`woglinde`	`its not gpsd`
`17:50.48`	`pupnik`	`ty woglinde . yah you got to say 'hi' right before jumping them`
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`17:51.56`	`BadRobot`	`Did someone heard that ovi maps 3.0 is coming to n900`
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`17:52.40`	`\|R`	`I hope PR1.2 is coming with it VERY soon...`
`17:52.58`	`\|R`	`SIP is still broken :(`
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`17:53.49`	`adeus`	`is there any chances they're actually willing to fix it for that?`
`17:54.10`	`kevloral`	`is it broken?`
`17:54.16`	`RST38h`	`how is it broken?`
`17:54.23`	`adeus`	`I dunno`
`17:54.39`	`\|R`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936 <- apparently telepathy-sofiasip is fixed in the next release, but that was not part of PR1.1`
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`17:56.34`	`Shapeshifter`	`lol wow, our retailer has received an amazing amount of 7! phones.`
`17:56.46`	`Shapeshifter`	`he's got about 250 orders and I'm around #130.`
`17:56.46`	`SpeedEvil`	`That's quite a lot.`
`17:57.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`plenty then.`
`17:57.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=7!&btnG=Google+Search&meta=lr%3D`
`17:57.33`	`Shapeshifter`	`well but I guess "at least it's here now"`
`17:57.40`	`odin_`	`are you getting a major discount to be worth the wait ?`
`17:57.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`is feeling excessively literal.`
`17:57.52`	`kevloral`	`mmm... I remember having had that problem soon after receiving my n900 but SIP has been working fine since then (and I use it a lot and my conversations are loong) Maybe it depends on the provider?`
`17:57.53`	`\|R`	`hehe`
`17:57.58`	`Shapeshifter`	`I was guessing you would think 7!`
`17:58.10`	`Shapeshifter`	`odin_: of course not`
`17:58.23`	`odin_`	`maybe your supplier can only get a credit limit for 7 (lols)`
`17:58.40`	`Shapeshifter`	`nah. it's due to stupid nokia`
`17:58.54`	`Shapeshifter`	`and due to switzerland being a small and insignificant market`
`17:59.00`	`Shapeshifter`	`we're always suckers.`
`17:59.02`	`odin_`	`and the reason you don't buy from Nokia directly is ?`
`17:59.03`	`\|R`	`kevloral: it has to do with a setting (some ms delay) that asterisk ask and is ignored by the n900`
`17:59.11`	`Shapeshifter`	`odin_: they don't sell directly in switzerland.`
`17:59.28`	`odin_`	`which version are you buying ?`
`17:59.32`	`Shapeshifter`	`i could have ordered from outside but it's very expensive compared to waiting.`
`17:59.34`	`kevloral`	`I see...`
`17:59.43`	`Shapeshifter`	`odin_: well, swiss one`
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`17:59.55`	`Shapeshifter`	`I'll need to get a qwerty replacement keyboard`
`17:59.56`	`odin_`	`or just cross a border ? swiss is not a big place`
`18:00.09`	`odin_`	`ok if it swiss version then, you must be truly stuffed`
`18:00.10`	`\|R`	`german keyboard or french one? :)`
`18:00.22`	`odin_`	`does it have a knife built into it ?`
`18:00.36`	`\|R`	`odin_: no, just chocolate`
`18:00.43`	`Shapeshifter`	`odin_: in germany, the n900 is around 600 euros, while I'm going to pay 240 euros because I need a contract anyway.`
`18:00.48`	`Shapeshifter`	`that's a bit of a big leap.`
`18:01.02`	`\|R`	`You're lucky to be able to have it on contract!`
`18:01.03`	`Shapeshifter`	`\|R: "swiss" one. it's german and french mangled up`
`18:01.07`	`odin_`	`what kind of utlity does chocolate provide.... ok so you are getting discounted somehow (even if via operator contract)`
`18:01.09`	`Shapeshifter`	`\|R: yeah I guess so.`
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`18:01.27`	`\|R`	`Shapeshifter: uhm ok, weird, so they're not selling to switzerland but they actually have a keyboard for it?`
`18:01.29`	`Shapeshifter`	`http://frontype.com/keyboarding/540px-Computer-keyboard-Swiss.svg.png typical swiss layout`
`18:01.34`	`odin_`	`it can't be a swiss one without a pull out knife`
`18:01.38`	`Shapeshifter`	`\|R: yeah, through resellers`
`18:01.44`	`Shapeshifter`	`:P`
`18:01.49`	`\|R`	`wtf :)`
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`18:02.09`	`Shapeshifter`	`it's got the Ã¶Ã© Ã¤Ã stuff`
`18:02.24`	`Shapeshifter`	`and different characters by the number keys`
`18:02.30`	`Shapeshifter`	`like we have the Ã§`
`18:02.33`	`Shapeshifter`	`but no Ã`
`18:02.38`	`\|R`	`so basically french ...`
`18:02.43`	`Shapeshifter`	`Ã¶Ã¤Ã¼ is not french`
`18:02.49`	`\|R`	`I'have a Fr-Ca keyboard here`
`18:03.12`	`\|R`	`but i mean, i can do Ã¶Ã¯Ã¶Ã¤ :)`
`18:03.32`	`Shapeshifter`	`\|R: yeah I don't get it anyway. all nokia should have done on such a small keyboard is provide a single Â¨ key`
`18:03.41`	`Shapeshifter`	`that would have been all anybody needs`
`18:03.48`	`Shapeshifter`	`Â¨ + a = Ã¤ = profit.`
`18:03.50`	`odin_`	`I can do Ã¶Ã¯Ã¶Ã¤ via that odd Sym button and toggle interface`
`18:04.05`	`\|R`	`yeah, go figure :)`
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`18:04.33`	`Shapeshifter`	`I'll do that anyway. I'll buy a qwerty replacement keyboard and xmodmap one key I don't need to Â¨`
`18:05.30`	`\|R`	`but uhm, there is Ã« in french and some Ã¼... but i can't find a Ã¶ in dict :P`
`18:05.38`	`Shapeshifter`	`are fn+arrows mapped in the qwerty version?`
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`18:05.56`	`\|R`	`no desktop swaping action here ...`
`18:05.57`	`Shapeshifter`	`because I see there's no blue stuff on the keys`
`18:06.10`	`Shapeshifter`	`same for fn-"<-"`
`18:06.11`	`\|R`	`(i have a US version, running in both en/fr-ca`
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`18:06.30`	`Shapeshifter`	`\|R: so it switches desktops when you do fn-arrow?`
`18:06.42`	`\|R`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:06.45`	`\|R`	`nop :(`
`18:06.56`	`Shapeshifter`	`\|R: it does nothing?`
`18:07.03`	`\|R`	`exactly`
`18:07.06`	`Shapeshifter`	`brilliant`
`18:07.17`	`Shapeshifter`	`then fn-up will be my Â¨`
`18:07.29`	`Shapeshifter`	`meh, will see about that when I receive it.`
`18:07.32`	`Shapeshifter`	`if I ever receive it.`
`18:07.38`	`Shapeshifter`	`mid february probably.`
`18:07.48`	`Shapeshifter`	`..maybe`
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`18:08.15`	`bfree`	`on N900 if I try and play an unsupported video (h264, probably the wrong profile) then I can't play anything afterwards unless I shutdown :-/ any ideas of an alternative to restart?`
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`18:08.47`	`\|R`	`Shapeshifter: i can feel your pain, waited almost 3 months to get it :(`
`18:09.02`	`Shapeshifter`	`\|R: but the moment of joy came`
`18:09.03`	`Shapeshifter`	`^^`
`18:09.18`	`\|R`	`yeah, now if only i can get SIP working ;-)`
`18:09.41`	`SpeedEvil`	`Bout 6 weeks for me.`
`18:09.49`	`Shapeshifter`	`bfree: maybe a stuck process, check the list using ps -A and kill stuff that seems hanging. player stuff`
`18:10.02`	`javispedro`	`bfree: iirc it should be fixed in PR1.1`
`18:10.35`	`bfree`	`I have PR1.1 :-( but I do also have e.g. extra codecs support from extras-testing`
`18:10.36`	`javispedro`	`bfree: that bug is filed already, so refer to bugzilla for status updates`
`18:12.02`	`\|R`	`they don't seem so hard to get in north america these days`
`18:12.09`	`\|R`	`I wonder why it's so hard in europe :/`
`18:13.00`	`Shapeshifter`	`\|R: I could have gotten one in france but the price difference is horrendous. and gadgets are generally cheaper here because we only have 7.5 tax`
`18:13.04`	`Shapeshifter`	`7.5%`
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`18:13.09`	`Shapeshifter`	`germany has 19% on electronics`
`18:14.05`	`\|R`	`here it's 5% on the federal level and i think 7.5% on the provincial level... but all the well priced store are in BC and not QuÃ©bec...`
`18:14.08`	`\|R`	`so 5% :P`
`18:14.23`	`\|R`	`The shipping gets to be less than the local tax so ...`
`18:14.29`	`\|R`	`(so long for climate change :( )`
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`18:21.54`	`uhsf`	`I'm in QuÃ©bec and I ordered my N900 from newegg.ca/`
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`18:26.48`	`lardman`	`\|R: are you in Quebec?`
`18:28.00`	`lardman`	`is planning on going to a conference in Quebec this year so it wondering what's good to do/see while there`
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`18:30.48`	`fiferboy`	`lardman: What time of year?`
`18:30.55`	`lardman`	`July`
`18:30.56`	`\|R`	`lardman: yep`
`18:30.58`	`lardman`	`near the end`
`18:31.03`	`fiferboy`	`lardman: What part of Quebec?`
`18:31.07`	`\|R`	`lardman: well, Montreal.. :)`
`18:31.19`	`lardman`	`hang on let me check where`
`18:31.53`	`lardman`	`Québec City, week containing the 27th July`
`18:32.13`	`lardman`	`fiferboy: are you over that side?`
`18:32.30`	`lardman`	`Canada being a rather large place last time I looked at an atlas ;)`
`18:32.34`	`fiferboy`	`lardman: No, I'm in Ontario. About a 10 hour drive from QC`
`18:32.47`	`fiferboy`	`Well, I guess I am on that 'side' being the East :)`
`18:32.51`	`lardman`	`:)`
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`18:33.00`	`RST38h`	`heya lardman`
`18:33.35`	`lardman`	`hi RST38h`
`18:33.38`	`fiferboy`	`lardman: QC doesn't have a red light district AFAIK, if that is why you are considering`
`18:33.51`	`lardman`	`lol`
`18:33.57`	`lardman`	`nah I think once was enough for my wife`
`18:34.07`	`lardman`	`though more Queen singing and cheese might be good!`
`18:34.08`	`fiferboy`	`lardman: Then again, it probably doesn't have 7 Euro beers either`
`18:34.18`	`lardman`	`thank God!`
`18:34.48`	`fiferboy`	`I think Quebec is pretty into Kareoke`
`18:35.02`	`lardman`	`all good`
`18:35.05`	`lardman`	`sort of`
`18:35.34`	`lardman`	`then again Holly's brother lives in NY, so we might be best off travelling down there via Boston`
`18:35.38`	`fiferboy`	`Too bad Qole lives on the other side of the Country, he can turn anything into Kareoke`
`18:35.45`	`lardman`	`:)`
`18:35.51`	`lardman`	`turn as in milk ;)`
`18:36.08`	`lardman`	`'twas a good evening :)`
`18:36.23`	`fiferboy`	`Yes it was, at least as far as I can remember...`
`18:36.52`	`lardman`	`lol`
`18:37.20`	`fiferboy`	`There was something about a very tall barman hand whistling with Scotish tourists? That can't be right...`
`18:37.47`	`blizzow`	`Can anyone here receive SMS over 140 Characters if they're sent via email to mobilenumber@tmomail.net?`
`18:37.51`	`lardman`	`:)`
`18:37.56`	`adeus`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRbCoh66yuU&feature=player_embedded`
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`18:38.49`	`lardman`	`tries to work out how to go from San Diego to Quebec City with as many tourist sites as possible in between (and not too much time)`
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`18:38.59`	`blizzow`	`If a message is converted to MMS, even though it only has text but is longer than the character limit, what does the N900 do with the message?`
`18:39.15`	`RST38h`	`lardman: hitch^H^H^Hcar!`
`18:39.19`	`DocScrutinizer`	`discard?`
`18:39.23`	`lardman`	`RST38h: long way`
`18:39.30`	`RST38h`	`exactly!`
`18:39.40`	`lardman`	`blizzow: you sure it gets converted to MMS?`
`18:39.47`	`lardman`	`RST38h: We only have 4 days`
`18:39.58`	`lardman`	`in between anyway, have time on either end`
`18:39.58`	`RST38h`	`ah`
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`18:40.00`	`w00t`	`RST38h: hi there`
`18:40.06`	`RST38h`	`w00t: hello`
`18:40.14`	`w00t`	`RST38h: got a moment for a /msg?`
`18:40.28`	`blizzow`	`lardman: I'm not sure it gets converted, but some of the documentation out there seems to point to that.`
`18:40.31`	`lardman`	`RST38h: drive at 100kph for 40 hours or thereabouts ;)`
`18:40.31`	`RST38h`	`lardman: plane to NYC, car or train to Boston, then plane to QC`
`18:40.42`	`DocScrutinizer`	`MMS not in the set of features N900 provides`
`18:40.49`	`RST38h`	`lardman: 1-2 nights in NYC, 1 night in Boston`
`18:41.07`	`RST38h`	`lardman: If you like European more than Gotham, 2 nights in Boston, one in NYC`
`18:41.19`	`fiferboy`	`RST38h: Then he misses out on Toronto... oh right. Good call.`
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`18:41.37`	`lardman`	`RST38h: we were thinking of heading to California a bit earlier, seeing some stuff, then to my conf in San Diego, then a day or two of more stuff there, then to QC, then do something else`
`18:41.43`	`RST38h`	`OMG, it was bound to happen: http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/22/video-hitler-finds-out-nokias-ovi-maps-turn-by-turn-navigation-is-now-free/`
`18:42.00`	`RST38h`	`fiferboy: he has got 4 nights, +1 for Toronto`
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`18:42.39`	`RST38h`	`lardman: between California and QC, NYC and Boston are the only two spots to see anyway`
`18:42.57`	`lardman`	`I also have to sort out getting to and from the continental US from the UK, paying for my wife, so looking at the best (read reasonably priced) options`
`18:42.58`	`RST38h`	`lardman: I would add New Orleans (or whatever is left of it) but it is kinda out of the way`
`18:43.18`	`fiferboy`	`Well, depends on what you are trying to see. Big cities, yes. But there are tonnes of national parks and things that are worthwhile`
`18:43.26`	`fiferboy`	`Hard to do with little time, though`
`18:43.30`	`lardman`	`RST38h: we might head back there, my Uncle works down that way`
`18:43.33`	`blizzow`	`DocScrutinizer: I know MMS is not in the featureset, but I'm wondering if messages pushed to an N900 that have an MMS header go anywhere or if they are even received by the N900.`
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`18:45.45`	`RST38h`	`fiferboy: Not many along the east coast of the US`
`18:45.46`	`hardaker`	`blizzow: someone wrote an app to receive MMS messages so it must receive them.`
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`18:46.01`	`w00t`	`RST38h: got a question/feedback about VGBA`
`18:46.05`	`RST38h`	`fiferboy: Just north of NYC maybe`
`18:46.09`	`RST38h`	`w00t: ask already`
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`18:46.16`	`fiferboy`	`RST38h: Some outside of Boston too`
`18:46.40`	`fiferboy`	`Cape Cod, Newport Mansions, Plymouth Rock (JK)`
`18:46.41`	`RST38h`	`fiferboy: Pretty much everything outside Boston is pretty beautiful, but right now is not the right season`
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`18:46.53`	`fiferboy`	`RST38h: He is going in July`
`18:46.57`	`RST38h`	`fiferboy: Cape Code is out of the way + the weather will be rather shitty`
`18:47.02`	`RST38h`	`Ah! July changes it.`
`18:47.21`	`lardman`	`Anyway speak of the devil the wife has just got back, so will bbl, need to pour some wine`
`18:47.39`	`lardman`	`will pick your brains a bit closer the time (as it's still ~6 months away)`
`18:47.47`	`lardman`	`:)`
`18:47.55`	`RST38h`	`well, summer changes things a little bit`
`18:48.35`	`RST38h`	`forests around Boston are pretty beautiful in October/November, July isn't very interesting`
`18:48.53`	`RST38h`	`Cape Cod will be nice though.`
`18:48.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`Mmmm. Cod.`
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`18:50.01`	`xorAxAx`	`RST38h: hmm, somebody used an hungarian phrasebook in that video`
`18:50.28`	`RST38h`	`~`
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`18:50.49`	`RST38h`	`xorAxAx: This kinda points to Michal Jerz =)`
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`18:55.47`	`hrw\|gone`	`how to build package which require python in sbox? to get python 2.5 instead of that obsoleted 2.3 ver?`
`18:58.04`	`baraujo`	`hrw\|gone, use "python2.5" instead of "python" in the build scripts, calling only "python" will use the native 2.3 version`
`18:58.25`	`hrw\|gone`	`no other way?`
`19:03.00`	`baraujo`	`hrw\|gone, you can use binary redirection via some environment variables, there is an example here: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-June/000983.html`
`19:04.43`	`pupnik`	`nice job on the speed of maemo.org!`
`19:05.19`	`baraujo`	`hrw\|gone, oops, I meant: you can disable binary redirection :)`
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`19:17.26`	`matthew-`	`Ok, the guy that made Bloomberg work on n900 is probably a dickens and doesnt want to share how he's done it.`
`19:17.47`	`matthew-`	`so maybe someone else will help ?`
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`19:19.42`	`ml-mobile`	`bloomberg's what?`
`19:20.31`	`inz`	`Wasn't that just vnc (or similar) that he used?`
`19:20.33`	`matthew-`	`Bloomberg Anywhere`
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`19:20.40`	`matthew-`	`inz: no, he installed Citrix`
`19:20.44`	`inz`	`Same thing`
`19:20.45`	`inz`	`=)`
`19:20.50`	`matthew-`	`well yeah`
`19:21.03`	`pronto`	`eh, what the fuck`
`19:21.06`	`pronto`	`on my n900...unable to recive or send new messages, device storae is full`
`19:21.07`	`matthew-`	`but the issue is how to avoid using the bloombergs security device`
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`19:21.28`	`pronto`	`doesnt this thing have like 32GB of space -.-`
`19:21.41`	`matthew-`	`pronto: rootfs`
`19:22.03`	`pronto`	`oh, fail... sms's cant be stored in somethign more sane, with more space?`
`19:22.12`	`ml-mobile`	`matthew-: is it something that plugs into the system or a keyfob?`
`19:22.19`	`pierlux`	`or rather, can't you clean up your files?`
`19:22.23`	`saahleh`	`pronto: it has. try df -h in x term`
`19:22.43`	`pronto`	`or rather, if something has 32GB of space, you wouldnt think that should even be a issue`
`19:22.45`	`matthew-`	`ml-mobile: it's something that scans your finger print, and then you have to put it close to your screen`
`19:22.48`	`matthew-`	`to authenticate`
`19:22.49`	`matthew-`	`;d`
`19:22.54`	`saahleh`	`probaply need to remove some extra packages`
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`19:23.09`	`ml-mobile`	`pronto: it doesn't quite work like that`
`19:23.13`	`matthew-`	`btw. WHERE are the emails and sms stored?`
`19:23.44`	`saahleh`	`hmm, not rootfs i hope?`
`19:23.55`	`ml-mobile`	`matthew-: oh, interesting. sad they use a fingerprint scanner though`
`19:24.14`	`matthew-`	`ml-mobile: but you dont plug it anywhere`
`19:24.18`	`matthew-`	`and you dont need any drivers`
`19:24.19`	`slonopotamus`	`thinks about removing unneeded stuff from /usr/share/locales...`
`19:24.31`	`saahleh`	`possible to control wlan by cli?`
`19:24.33`	`pronto`	`eh now this is annoying, so i cleared a convo, and i still getting that pop up notice every 30 seconds or so`
`19:24.37`	`ml-mobile`	`matthew-: that makes no sense`
`19:24.47`	`matthew-`	`ml-mobile: :)`
`19:25.00`	`matthew-`	`ml-mobile: That's just how it works :D`
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`19:25.35`	`ml-mobile`	`I'm sure there's more to it than that, or it's snakeoil`
`19:26.20`	`matthew-`	`ml-mobile: snakeoil ?`
`19:26.26`	`ml-mobile`	`fake`
`19:26.39`	`matthew-`	`nah its not`
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`19:27.20`	`matthew-`	`The BLOOMBERG B-UNITÂ® is a state-of-the-art`
`19:27.20`	`matthew-`	`biometric security device that provides`
`19:27.20`	`matthew-`	`BLOOMBERG ANYWHEREÂ® subscribers with`
`19:27.20`	`matthew-`	`enhanced identity protection and gives access`
`19:27.20`	`matthew-`	`to the BLOOMBERG PROFESSIONAL service.`
`19:27.23`	`matthew-`	`google b-unit`
`19:28.35`	`ml-mobile`	`hmm`
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`19:30.05`	`pronto`	`now do i clear stuff on that overly small rootfs`
`19:30.20`	`saahleh`	`how did maemo get sync with exchange 2003 working? does work with linux now too?`
`19:30.51`	`saahleh`	`pronto: uninstall extra packages`
`19:31.23`	`ml-mobile`	`matthew-: interesting, though I don't see how it's any different from a regular keyfob aside from the scanner`
`19:31.29`	`pronto`	`oh i see what happened, i was playing round with lighthttp, and didnt notice that its web root was on rootfs , heh`
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`19:32.15`	`matthew-`	`ml-mobile: i dont know either`
`19:32.32`	`ml-mobile`	`I doubt it is`
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`19:32.42`	`matthew-`	`I wouldnt know`
`19:32.50`	`matthew-`	`never had a regualr keyfob`
`19:32.59`	`ml-mobile`	`it just doesn't present a code if the scan retuns a false match`
`19:33.35`	`ml-mobile`	`but I suppose the price is beside the point for stock traders`
`19:33.52`	`matthew-`	`what do you mean?`
`19:34.47`	`ml-mobile`	`the fingerprint scanner provides dubious extra security for the cost it adds to the device`
`19:35.28`	`ml-mobile`	`however, I don't see anyone who would get one as batting an eye over the price ;)`
`19:35.41`	`matthew-`	`ml-mobile: device is free`
`19:36.30`	`angasule`	`gummy bears defeat fingerprint scanners :P`
`19:36.34`	`ml-mobile`	`"free," I suspect bloomberg's services are in no way cheap`
`19:36.50`	`matthew-`	`2k/month`
`19:36.56`	`ml-mobile`	`yeah`
`19:37.01`	`\|R`	`uhmmmm, gummmy bearrrss`
`19:37.02`	`\|R`	`:P`
`19:39.45`	`koala_man`	`drnoksnes doesn't pause when receiving calls, is that fixable?`
`19:40.24`	`javispedro`	`by you? of course.`
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`19:46.56`	`Kegetys`	`hmh... I logged into skype with my N900 and now it keeps popping up a "unable to receive or send new messages. device storage full." message all the time, yet I have 61MB free on rootfs and 22GB on MyDocs.. how much does it actually need? :\|`
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`19:49.13`	`matthew-`	`;]`
`19:49.18`	`matthew-`	`Kegetys: take bat out for 20mins`
`19:49.55`	`ifreq`	`Kegetys: please make sure that rootfs isnt used. which sw/app you used to verify the disk space?`
`19:50.01`	`0660_	`Kegetys, how about /opt?`
`19:50.16`	`Kegetys`	`ifreq: df -h`
`19:50.25`	`0660_	`Kegetys, how about /opt?`
`19:51.15`	`Kegetys`	`1,5GB free in /home, which I guess opt is in`
`19:52.02`	`Kegetys`	`is there some way to see a less windows like error message to know what actually goes wrong? ;)`
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`19:53.19`	`Kegetys`	`skype even seems to work fine... just that message pops up every few minutes now`
`19:53.21`	`djkrikke`	`Hi Guys, I'm curious about how the new maemo (and particulary) the n900 device behaves in real day usage, is it still an easy to handle device to communicate on sms etc?`
`19:54.26`	`0660_	`djkrikke, i have had no trouble at all`
`19:54.42`	`djkrikke`	`can you use the device in landscape mode to sms, with one hand?`
`19:55.16`	`djkrikke`	`because that is my main concern`
`19:55.31`	`0660_	`people keep saying that it's not meant for normal users but my wife for example is jealous of it and has no problems using it`
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`19:55.55`	`0660_	`yes you can but its not very confortable`
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`19:56.35`	`djkrikke`	`because, I'll use it when travelling to school, and in the bus I can't hold the phone with both hands a lot`
`19:56.47`	`0660_	`and you have to have big hands :P`
`19:57.02`	`djkrikke`	`haha :D`
`19:57.09`	`djkrikke`	`really?`
`19:57.25`	`0660_	`can't you sit down in the bus?`
`19:57.40`	`djkrikke`	`not always`
`19:57.45`	`djkrikke`	`most of the time I can't`
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`19:57.58`	`0660_	`well, the landscape mode is not designed for single hand operation`
`19:58.27`	`djkrikke`	`hmm, but I can imagine a portrait mode will come in the near future (middle of 2010 or so)`
`19:58.34`	`Kegetys`	`now those error popups dont stop coming.. is there a popup killed for maemo :P`
`20:00.31`	`djkrikke`	also, what is usage pattern like on the n900 `0660_ ?
`20:00.38`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: here?`
`20:00.47`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: yep`
`20:01.00`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: Ever played with hildonanimationactor?`
`20:01.12`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: right now`
`20:01.28`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: Know by any chance how I can force it to update?`
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`20:01.56`	`javispedro`	`it's updated like any other window`
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`20:02.28`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: Ok, here is how I do it`
`20:02.35`	`javispedro`	`XShmPutImage works here.`
`20:02.53`	`RST38h`	`Widget=gtk_image_new_from_image(GTKImg.GImg,0);`
`20:03.16`	`RST38h`	`gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(Actor),Widget);`
`20:03.26`	`RST38h`	`gtk_widget_show_all(GTK_WIDGET(Actor));`
`20:03.52`	`RST38h`	`gtk_widget_queue_draw_area(Widget,(SW-DW-32)>>1,(SH-DH)>>1,DW+32,DH);`
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`20:04.07`	`RST38h`	`gdk_window_process_updates(gtk_widget_get_parent_window(Widget),TRUE);`
`20:04.13`	`RST38h`	`<and window stays black>`
`20:04.37`	`javispedro`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:04.57`	`RST38h`	`yes, it is very generically black`
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`20:05.17`	`javispedro`	`do you have some other way of deducing if the actor is there?`
`20:05.22`	`djkrikke`	`RST38h and javispedro , also running n900?`
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`20:05.31`	`javispedro`	`like, drawing a line using gdk primitives or just putting any other widget there`
`20:05.33`	`RST38h`	`javis: well, the pointer is not 0 :)`
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`20:05.46`	`RST38h`	`hmm...ok, will try`
`20:07.09`	`javispedro`	`I had some problems with actors when in fullscreen (PR1.1)`
`20:08.07`	`javispedro`	`eventually I found it seems mapping a new actor when h-d is in fullscreen non-composited mode forces it back to composited (thus showing the actors)`
`20:09.07`	`javispedro`	`(but mapping a fullscreen window then reparting the actors to it doesn't work)`
`20:09.13`	`javispedro`	`s/reparting/reparenting`
`20:09.24`	`RST38h`	`yea, konttori explained that`
`20:09.28`	`javispedro`	`ouch`
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`20:09.36`	`RST38h`	`javis: ok, mapped a HildonButton into the actor`
`20:09.38`	`RST38h`	`Still black`
`20:09.52`	`konttori`	`javispedro: yeah. there is automated code for your convenience`
`20:10.05`	`javispedro`	`hiyo konttori`
`20:10.11`	`RST38h`	`konttori: I cannot get the actor to work =(`
`20:10.15`	`Mece`	`cheers`
`20:10.16`	`javispedro`	`I made a SDL wrapper for using them (SDL_haa)`
`20:10.22`	`javispedro`	`which I plan to release soon.`
`20:10.43`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: did you set_position?`
`20:11.06`	`Mece`	`any python developers present?`
`20:11.25`	`RST38h`	`yes`
`20:11.25`	`konttori`	`yeah, well, you can always still use the composite/non-composite xatoms to force it to be composited/non-composited`
`20:11.38`	`javispedro`	`oh, I missed the force-composite one :)`
`20:11.50`	`konttori`	`there should be one for that as well.`
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`20:13.11`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: I can send you the hildon-desktop binary I used with extra debug output`
`20:13.15`	`hrw`	`re`
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`20:13.54`	`Kegetys`	`well, pulling the battery seemed to fix it, no more error popups`
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`20:14.32`	`hrw`	`konttori: when pr1.2 branches will appear on maemo.gitorius.org?`
`20:14.45`	`konttori`	`just before we are finishing pr1.2`
`20:14.48`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: I am too much of a chicken to replace stock hildon-desktop :)`
`20:14.53`	`Kegetys`	`another bug though, it seems if I am invisible in skype the N900 will set me visible every time it comes online`
`20:14.56`	`javispedro`	`ah, testing on device :S`
`20:14.58`	`konttori`	`for now, everything that is master, is work for pr1.2`
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`20:15.14`	`konttori`	`so, once we move the master to be work for the next release, then you see the branches`
`20:15.43`	`hrw`	`konttori: good to know that master == pr1.2`
`20:15.46`	`RST38h`	`konttori: How do I force the actor to update?`
`20:15.48`	`konttori`	`so, basically, when almost all pr1.2 work is done and we are just trying to fix a handful of issues to stabilize the release, then you start seeing those branches`
`20:15.57`	`hrw`	`hildon-desktop without submenus...`
`20:16.01`	`Kegetys`	`quite buggy skype integration it seems, too bad since there is no separate skype app :/`
`20:16.07`	`RST38h`	`konttori: I inserted a gtk_image into the actor, queued an area update in that gtk_image`
`20:16.29`	`RST38h`	`konttori: Is there any way to make the gtk_image update and the actor show the result?`
`20:16.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Damn Talk users on Bugzilla.`
`20:17.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam`
`20:17.04`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: I'd suggest then starting from the sample and going from there, since I can't provide you with gtk snippets (raw Xlib snippets, on the other side :) )`
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`20:17.14`	`RST38h`	`General: What are they doing? Being "positive"? =)`
`20:17.50`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: the sample uses cairo =(`
`20:17.55`	`RST38h`	`but I will try`
`20:18.00`	`Kegetys`	`argh, I got a skype message and now the popups started again`
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`20:18.15`	`konttori`	`RST38h: sorry, I'm not able to help.`
`20:19.09`	`konttori`	`you should ask kuzak (Kimmo HÃ¤mÃ¤lÃ¤inen) (kimmo.hamalainen@nokia.com). I'm sure he will help.`
`20:19.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`RST38h, forum-style spam on a bunch of bugs.`
`20:19.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`RST38h, they've turned the tracker into a freaking forum.`
`20:19.26`	`Kegetys`	`anyone know where the skype thing tries to save whatever it is trying to save?`
`20:19.47`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: still, if you put a button there it should draw a button.`
`20:19.56`	`javispedro`	`cairo just draws to X11.`
`20:20.25`	`javispedro`	`also, force the actor window size, just in case.`
`20:20.40`	`RST38h`	`General: That is the only thing they can do`
`20:21.06`	`RST38h`	`konttori: I will try a few things on my own before bugging him`
`20:21.21`	`javispedro`	`the codepath to "update" actors is mostly the same as to update normal windows.`
`20:21.24`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: Actually I did =(`
`20:22.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`RST38h, the other thing they can do is shut up.`
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`20:25.41`	`Kegetys`	`or is there some way to just get rid of those error popups? like kill a daemon handling them or something similar`
`20:25.49`	`hrw`	`konttori: any plans to update sbox's devkit to something newer then obsolete etch?`
`20:26.46`	`RST38h`	`General: Not possible`
`20:26.53`	`konttori`	`hrw: you need to ask sdk guys.`
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`20:27.42`	`hrw`	`konttori: do not know any`
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`20:28.06`	`konttori`	`hmmm... X-Fade : what is marcells nick in here? Do you know?`
`20:29.14`	`Arkenoi`	`I've noticed that ussd command script does not work while data connection is active, seems that there is no way to send AT commands simultaneously with data connection. All other phones allow that somehow, though`
`20:29.45`	`slonopotamus`	`Arkenoi, they suspend data connection.`
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`20:31.35`	`Arkenoi`	`slonopotamus: can we do the same?`
`20:31.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`hrw, well, the other option is temporary account bans.`
`20:31.55`	`ShadowJK`	`somehow Conversations manages to do it for SMS :/`
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`20:32.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Good christ there's a lot of spam on -community, too.`
`20:32.42`	`Stskeeps`	`konttori: not sure marcell is in here, jjo was though`
`20:32.48`	`hrw`	`GeneralAntilles: ?`
`20:32.56`	`konttori`	`indeed, looks like there is not force composited atom: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/mb/hd-atoms.c`
`20:34.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`hrw, 68 new messages in that folder since this morning.`
`20:35.30`	`hrw`	`ah, now I see what you are talking about`
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`20:43.19`	`hrw`	`the worst thing in maemo is total lack of libraries...`
`20:43.40`	`hrw`	`and this is due to lack of any compatibility with any Debian release`
`20:44.16`	`hrw`	`to build pcmanfm I need gamin and startup-notification. to build s-n I need xcb...`
`20:44.19`	`hrw`	`ARGH@!$!@$!`
`20:44.41`	`xorAxAx`	`why dont you install debian?`
`20:45.19`	`hrw`	`xorAxAx: because debian on n900 will force me back to symbian`
`20:45.41`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`err?`
`20:45.43`	`hrw`	`xorAxAx: and maemo at one time was more or less compatible with at least etch`
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`20:46.33`	`slonopotamus`	`no more etch soon, btw :)`
`20:46.58`	`hrw`	`slonopotamus: tell it to nokia sdk so-called-team`
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`20:48.33`	`Kegetys`	`hmh it seems the whole IM thing is completely screwed up somehow, it doesnt even let me go offline`
`20:49.45`	`ifreq`	`sure youre doing i right?`
`20:50.40`	`Kegetys`	`well, on the availability thing when I select "offline" it gets selected, but when I close the dialog it remains "online"`
`20:51.01`	`ruskie`	`Kegetys, do you hit Save ?`
`20:51.55`	`Kegetys`	`duh, that works better thanks :P`
`20:52.20`	`red`	`haha :)`
`20:52.45`	`xorAxAx`	`how does docpurge work? is it effective if i install a package with apt-get?`
`20:52.55`	`ruskie`	`xorAxAx, yeah`
`20:52.59`	`Kegetys`	`seems to stop the error from popping up which is good, I guess no skype on N900 then though`
`20:53.06`	`xorAxAx`	`and its used on maemo 5?`
`20:53.13`	`ruskie`	`xorAxAx, it's in /etc/apt/*/99docpurge`
`20:53.16`	`ruskie`	`on the device`
`20:53.17`	`xorAxAx`	`so how should i ship contrib and readme?`
`20:53.18`	`Kegetys`	`...or not, another error popup still`
`20:53.25`	`Kegetys`	`stupid thing`
`20:53.32`	`xorAxAx`	`hmm, i copy them to etc`
`20:53.59`	`hrw`	`xorAxAx: keep them in /opt/ maybe?`
`20:54.01`	`konttori`	`cool, somebody is trying to port audacity to maemo`
`20:54.09`	`konttori`	`noticed on build logs`
`20:54.25`	`hrw`	`I need 36h day`
`20:54.42`	`hrw`	`as one of things on my list is LennyMaemo5 on BeagleBoard`
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`21:00.17`	`Arkenoi`	`wonders what eats up to 15Mb gprs data daily if there is nothing expect email push (low traffic) and IM accounts. I do all updates via wifi only.`
`21:01.28`	`jaska`	`daily recordings of everything the n900 hears uploaded`
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`21:02.36`	`kuriiri`	`jaska :D`
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`21:09.01`	`hrw`	`Arkenoi: email push? how much emails in folder?`
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`21:09.30`	`cehteh`	`Arendtsen: NSA spying you`
`21:09.45`	`cehteh`	`err Arkenoi`
`21:10.57`	`Arkenoi`	`hrw: quite a lot, does it matter? i am using Nokia Messaging`
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`21:11.26`	`hrw`	`Arkenoi: checking folder with 14000 mails took ~1MB on my s60 phone`
`21:11.41`	`hrw`	`on n900 I do not have a good way to check it`
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`21:18.04`	`zash`	`Does VLC run on N900?`
`21:19.10`	`Nitial`	`yes`
`21:19.18`	`Nitial`	`but the current UI is horrible ;)`
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`21:19.43`	`zash`	`Nitial: was thinking more about the encoding and streaming abilities`
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`21:20.21`	`zash`	`then our local tv station could have a n900 as al-in-one studio :D`
`21:20.47`	`Nitial`	`I don't think there's features missing`
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`21:22.28`	`Nitial`	`http://www.remlab.net/files/vlc/fremantle/`
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`21:23.27`	`matthew-`	`10 hours and my battery is still on 62%`
`21:23.31`	`matthew-`	`not TOO bad`
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`21:26.38`	`greenfly`	`yeah I seem to get a full day's use out of it unless I turn on the IM plugins`
`21:27.10`	`greenfly`	`I haven't spent the time to narrow it down to individual plugins though`
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`21:30.36`	`zash`	`hrw: ifconfig before and after, and compare the RX and TX values?`
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`21:31.36`	`SplasPood`	`hrm, I wish IM/SMS still alerted when the conversation was open`
`21:34.26`	`hrw`	`zash: good choice`
`21:34.32`	`hrw`	`-> off`
`21:34.45`	`Elerion`	`i found msid on extras devel today. it's verry fresh paint. does anyone know where to put hvsid files to use them localy?`
`21:35.40`	`pwnguin`	`is it just me or do applications uninstall when you disable repos in app manager?`
`21:35.57`	`xorAxAx`	`hmm, dput fails for me with permission denied`
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`21:36.05`	`xorAxAx`	`is garage down?`
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`21:52.28`	`gs200`	`i am using hildon_time_button_new function, for inputting time but in sdk wdget_va_12h_hours is comming instead of numerical values from 1 to 12?`
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`22:00.42`	`derf`	`Huh, someone packaged CELT.`
`22:00.52`	`derf`	`I wonder what it's being used for.`
`22:01.17`	`derf`	`Oh, it was jebba.`
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`22:19.47`	`PaulAnagrama`	`hi. where are the desktop web shortcuts kept, what directory?`
`22:19.54`	`PaulAnagrama`	`(on n900)`
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`22:27.33`	`PaulAnagrama`	`where are the desktop web shortcuts kept, what directory?`
`22:28.00`	`redeeman`	`how does one even make those?`
`22:29.15`	`villager`	`redeeman: "Add bookmark" from the desktop editor menu?`
`22:29.24`	`PaulAnagrama`	`from the browser, click on the "+" on the left of the address... and then select:`
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`22:29.41`	`PaulAnagrama`	`add shortcut to desktop`
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`22:30.09`	`PaulAnagrama`	`I'm interested where are they kept, what directory`
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`22:53.41`	`nomis`	`I think it is time again for a rant against hinting: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/zoom-hinting-disaster.png`
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`22:54.09`	`nomis`	`the right column is zoomed into a web page with hinting enabled, the second column has hinting switched off.`
`22:54.29`	`nomis`	`s/left/right/`
`22:54.38`	`nomis`	`duh.`
`22:55.07`	`nomis`	`first column: hinting enabled, second column: hinting disabled.`
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`22:57.33`	`nomis`	`...not that the letter spacing would be good in the unhinted version...`
`22:59.47`	`GeneralAntilles`	`nomis, Firefox bug.`
`23:00.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`nomis, personally, I can't believe that that's not a blocker.`
`23:00.50`	`nomis`	`GeneralAntilles: yeah, I wonder if it places the letters individually using some metrics information from the font directly.`
`23:01.18`	`SpeedEvil`	`fails to see anything wrong.`
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`23:02.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`nomis, hinting isn't the term you're looking for, by the way.`
`23:02.12`	`zash`	`is it skype or collabora or nokia or some combination who make telepathy-spirit?`
`23:02.45`	`Robot101`	`yes :P`
`23:02.48`	`nomis`	`SpeedEvil: look in the first row, compare the text rendering of the word "fÃ¼r", "strenge", etc.`
`23:02.58`	`nomis`	`GeneralAntilles: well, hinting is what I disabled to get the different font rendering.`
`23:03.38`	`nomis`	`GeneralAntilles: hinting can change the metrics of the letters, influencing the position of the letters.`
`23:04.08`	`tps_`	`hello... anyone using PySide on maemo here?`
`23:04.33`	`nomis`	`SpeedEvil: in "Vorbild" renders "bi" too closely together with the hinted fonts.`
`23:05.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`nomis: Ah. After staring at it for >60 seconds, I do indeed see that.`
`23:05.46`	`nomis`	`SpeedEvil: the letter spacing is way too inconsistent to be considered "legible". Especially when zooming in.`
`23:06.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`nomis, problem is, it doesn't adjust the font rendering when you zoom in.`
`23:06.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`nomis, so the spacing is still based on 100% zoom when you're at 150%.`
`23:06.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Thus, zooming that is completely and utterly useless.`
`23:06.59`	`nomis`	`yeah, something like this probably.`
`23:07.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`nomis, something exactly like that. ;) It's the bug and it's in Gecko.`
`23:07.24`	`nomis`	`GeneralAntilles: well, this is where hinting comes into play: for unhinted fonts zooming at least kind-of works.`
`23:07.33`	`zash`	`Robot101: :P`
`23:07.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`bug #7335`
`23:08.48`	`nomis`	`GeneralAntilles: mhm, I don't see that effect it in my regular firefox. Although I also have hinting disabled on my desktop.`
`23:08.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470440`
`23:09.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`nomis, it's fixed in newer versions, apparently.`
`23:09.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But the desktop Firefox uses a different zooming method.`
`23:09.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Which doesn't exhibit this bug.`
`23:09.37`	`nomis`	`ah.`
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`23:12.47`	`nomis`	`hah, and they fix this by disabling hinting. :)`
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`23:19.15`	`xorAxAx`	`gah, my scratchbox is broken`
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`23:20.50`	`ml-mobile`	`I am amused at all the gpio notices in dmesg`
`23:21.36`	`hardaker`	`nomis: did they make any speed improvements with ff 1.0? I found the betas to be way too slow compared to the osso browser.`
`23:22.36`	`nomis`	`hardaker: not sure to what you're comparing it to. The browser on the n900 IMHO is fast enough to not disturb the browsing experience. Could be faster probably, but it is sufficient.`
`23:23.04`	`hardaker`	`it sounded like you were using firefox`
`23:23.19`	`hardaker`	`which I installed once and cringed at the speed`
`23:23.50`	`SpeedEvil`	`stabs firefox.org`
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`23:24.53`	`nomis`	`hardaker: it is the default browser on the n900, which AFAIK is the "fennec" mobile browser from mozilla`
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`23:25.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`nomis, er, no.`
`23:25.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`MicroB != Fennec`
`23:25.43`	`nomis`	`not?`
`23:25.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not even close.`
`23:26.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, aside from the fact that they're both using Gecko.`
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`23:26.55`	`nomis`	`ok.`
`23:27.03`	`FIQ`	`no opera on maemo/other installable os-es on n900? :<`
`23:27.42`	`ml-mobile`	`there's a webkit based browser in testing`
`23:28.00`	`FIQ`	`would be awesome with something like opera 10 desktop for n900. :3`
`23:28.16`	`ml-mobile`	`and there's work on other OSes, but nothing usable yet`
`23:28.31`	`SpeedEvil`	`is ff optified?`
`23:28.35`	`SpeedEvil`	`fennec`
`23:29.01`	`ml-mobile`	`well, Opera is closed so you'll have to bug them for a release :>`
`23:29.28`	`FIQ`	`yeah`
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`23:30.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`IE!`
`23:30.15`	`nomis`	`SpeedEvil: sorry for the confusion, the browser on the n900 is not fennec, it is microB.`
`23:30.27`	`SpeedEvil`	`yes.`
`23:30.35`	`SpeedEvil`	`I'm currently downloading fennec`
`23:30.38`	`nomis`	`ah.`
`23:30.56`	`nomis`	`(it is surprisingly hard to find the "microB" name in the browser...)`
`23:31.13`	`FIQ`	`but it wouldn't be that hard to port?`
`23:31.14`	`FIQ`	`as far as I know, it's not a big different between maemo and linux-desktop-source and it would almost only need minor changes and a recompile for getting it running on maemo?`
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`23:31.32`	`redeeman`	`unless they have non-portable stuff`
`23:31.53`	`SpeedEvil`	`firefox-recent is going to use way too many resources`
`23:32.01`	`red`	`damn butterfly going "unable to connect to one or more accounts" on me 24/7`
`23:32.02`	`SpeedEvil`	`ff-1.5 - I wonder if might not work quite well`
`23:32.17`	`red`	`tried rebooting and going offlined -> normal mode couple times :l`
`23:32.20`	`FIQ`	`SpeedEvil: fx != opera`
`23:32.31`	`red`	`anyone tried butterfly AND pecan?`
`23:32.41`	`SpeedEvil`	`I know`
`23:33.00`	`red`	`does the latter have same issues?`
`23:33.06`	`ml-mobile`	`FIQ: no reason it would be hard, but would it be woth their time`
`23:33.19`	`ml-mobile`	`worth*`
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`23:38.39`	`FIQ`	`http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=288424`
`23:38.39`	`FIQ`	`Seems like it already was a topic about it.. but it doesn't seem to get any response from dev (only people repeating the request)`
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`23:45.44`	`trem`	`nite all, sweet dreams`
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`23:53.23`	`TomaszD`	`interesting http://git.kernel.org/?p=bluetooth/bluez.git;a=commit;h=0218ab79ea881c593111b7165cd57337c711d2ec`
`23:53.31`	`xorAxAx`	`dwimd is in -devel!`
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`23:54.51`	`xorAxAx`	`does maemo 5 execute every script in init.d?`
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`23:55.43`	`woglinde`	`he qwerty`
`23:56.02`	`pupnik`	`congrats xorAxAx`
`23:56.13`	`Remosi`	`xorAxAx, probably only the scripts in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d/ which will be symlinks to scripts in /etc/init.d/`
`23:56.24`	`xorAxAx`	`Remosi: good`
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`23:58.22`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`xorAxAx: and the manual?`
`23:58.43`	`xorAxAx`	`DocScrutinizer51: there is a readme file`
`23:58.47`	`xorAxAx`	`as i wrote in #dwimd`
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