| 00:00.24 | MOUD | not sure, torrents |
| 00:00.32 | smps | ok i am downloading divx to my device to test it |
| 00:00.38 | ShadowJK_ | ok, using the fm transmitter with 3dB power overclock isn't going to lasta all the remaining 4 hours of work :) |
| 00:00.52 | smps | it does not work when i try to look that from server directly |
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| 00:01.25 | smps | ShadowJK_, you overclocked fm transmitter ? |
| 00:01.49 | MOUD | ok |
| 00:02.54 | ShadowJK_ | well you can boost the power a bit |
| 00:03.11 | ShadowJK_ | not sure if that eventually fries it por what |
| 00:04.14 | bekoz | ShadowJK < Are you using the FM Boost script? Is anyone? |
| 00:04.17 | ShadowJK_ | but battery is dropping 1 percentage every 5 minutes.. 50 percent remaining times 5 minutes would only leave 10 minutes to spare :) |
| 00:04.23 | Kamui | mtpaint runs nicely on the n900 |
| 00:04.30 | ShadowJK_ | no i just did it manually |
| 00:04.30 | Kamui | slight interface issues |
| 00:04.35 | bekoz | IC |
| 00:04.41 | smps | ShadowJK_, how did you do that ? |
| 00:04.42 | Guest33601 | Anyone know how to manually refresh the library for the media player, or clear the old library cache? I have a bunch of mp3s I deleted that are still listed in the media player. |
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| 00:05.27 | Kamui | next indexing they will vanish |
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| 00:05.53 | Kamui | tracker-processes -r iirc to clear the cache |
| 00:06.07 | Guest33601 | cool, thanks. |
| 00:06.31 | smps | MOUD, divx from stream does not work but one directly from device is working |
| 00:06.50 | Kamui | mplayer is also working for me now |
| 00:06.54 | Kamui | in 1.1 |
| 00:07.03 | Kamui | lotta good changes |
| 00:07.24 | Kamui | btw, confirmed its definitely a problem with the conversation IM plugins |
| 00:07.31 | smps | MOUD, but mplayer does play it just fine both ways |
| 00:07.46 | Kamui | excessive battery drain stopped now that im using pidgin |
| 00:08.16 | smps | ShadowJK_, how did you "overclocked" fm trans ? |
| 00:08.45 | ShadowJK_ | it's a file in /sys, search talk.maemo.org I saw it there |
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| 00:10.57 | smps | ShadowJK_, power_level ? |
| 00:11.12 | MOUD | strange |
| 00:11.12 | MOUD | is it worth to update the system ? |
| 00:11.58 | MOUD | i have to go now |
| 00:12.13 | MOUD | thank you for the help |
| 00:12.16 | xorAxAx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.32 | xorAxAx | works like a charm |
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| 00:14.45 | MaemohammadAG | any way to change a song's name? |
| 00:14.55 | MaemohammadAG | the metadata name |
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| 00:16.30 | Kamui | dang, playing audio really rapes system resources |
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| 00:20.51 | SpeedEvil | kamui: that can be misleading |
| 00:21.45 | jebba | kamui ya, pulseaudio takes like 33% ... |
| 00:23.35 | bekoz | Anyone use MediaBox? |
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| 00:24.21 | bekoz | is there something better with similar functionality? |
| 00:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | At what CPU level, though. |
| 00:25.02 | bekoz | well that is the question |
| 00:25.22 | bekoz | IC MediaBox is a bit of a CPU hog |
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| 00:26.01 | bekoz | on the N900 |
| 00:26.30 | bekoz | wondering if there is something even slightly better |
| 00:27.38 | bekoz | GeneralAntilles: was that to me or jabba? |
| 00:27.55 | redeeman | anyone else have problems playing xvid files? |
| 00:28.03 | redeeman | i just get black screen |
| 00:28.34 | redeeman | though i know it can decode it, since it usually freezes at first frame or something like it(video only, audio continues), and sometimes that frame contains something already |
| 00:30.02 | smps | redeeman, i have that problem if i try to watch movie from server |
| 00:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | bekoz, about Pulse eating resources. |
| 00:30.20 | smps | redeeman, but from device directly without problems |
| 00:30.25 | redeeman | smps: ah, i do it from dlna |
| 00:30.25 | bekoz | ok |
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| 00:41.00 | redeeman | kamui_ hmm, it seems after i made the modification to tracker.cfg it now indexes ringtones |
| 00:42.08 | bekoz | how do you get the media player to just index teh directories you want it to index? |
| 00:44.45 | bekoz | or watch the directories you want it to watch |
| 00:45.06 | redeeman | modify .config/tracker/tracker.cfg, but i haven't yet made it work exactly as i want |
| 00:46.31 | bekoz | someone else said they did that a little earlier but I switched IRC clients so I don't have that part of hte convo |
| 00:46.50 | timeless_mbp | looks for someone brave enough to use Nokia Messaging |
| 00:47.17 | timeless_mbp | #define brave foolhardy |
| 00:47.19 | bekoz | Thank you redeeman |
| 00:47.32 | redeeman | bekoz: let me know if you get it working as you want |
| 00:47.45 | bekoz | will do |
| 00:50.00 | bekoz | I looked back in the logs and it was you |
| 00:50.01 | bekoz | lol |
| 00:50.45 | redeeman | yes that was for the photo thing |
| 00:50.46 | redeeman | that works |
| 00:50.50 | redeeman | but it now indexes ring tones |
| 00:52.27 | smps | is there any way to copy link in web browser on n900 ? |
| 00:52.54 | bekoz | hold your finger or stulus on the link |
| 00:53.07 | bekoz | you wil get a popup menu |
| 00:53.21 | smps | thx |
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| 00:53.28 | bekoz | sure |
| 00:53.39 | bekoz | redeeman are you on the N900? |
| 00:54.23 | redeeman | i have it in my one hand, but im not on irc from it |
| 00:54.54 | arpy | heh i just logged in on my n900. xchat is nice. |
| 00:55.17 | bekoz | I'm not familliar with the directory structure. where is the .config directory? |
| 00:55.28 | redeeman | in /home/user |
| 00:55.33 | redeeman | gotta go now, laters |
| 00:55.35 | bekoz | IC |
| 00:55.35 | bekoz | thanx |
| 00:56.17 | bekoz | hmmm |
| 00:56.24 | bekoz | not on mine |
| 00:57.12 | bekoz | oops |
| 00:57.16 | bekoz | nevermind |
| 01:01.54 | bekoz | be back another time |
| 01:02.01 | bekoz | nice to meet everyone |
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| 01:02.58 | jebba | how is it that  tablets-dev.nokia.com is down too? Nearly everything is gone... |
| 01:03.19 | MaemohammadAG | that's a bad move |
| 01:03.29 | MaemohammadAG | thanks again for the repos jebba |
| 01:03.52 | jebba | no prob :) |
| 01:04.57 | smps | powerplant outage ? |
| 01:05.08 | MaemohammadAG | isp move |
| 01:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, same host. |
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| 01:07.13 | xorAxAx | the location posting feature is cool |
| 01:07.41 | jebba | they've moved to a new multi-SPOF network |
| 01:08.29 | pwnguin | multiple single point of failure? |
| 01:08.35 | jebba | :) |
| 01:08.56 | jebba | ya, they have multiple points where a single failure can bring the whole thing down |
| 01:08.59 | pwnguin | i thought that was a few days ago |
| 01:09.11 | jebba | hard to keep track of all the outages. |
| 01:09.31 | pwnguin | nah, nagios makes it easy to track multiple outages |
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| 01:12.55 | UQsf | nighty all |
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| 01:14.08 | UQsf | :( |
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| 01:29.14 | cpscotti | Hey there.. is extras repository totally out or is there something bad with me? |
| 01:29.34 | SpeedEvil | see hte topic |
| 01:29.49 | SpeedEvil | A reindeer pooped on the server. |
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| 01:33.18 | cpscotti | SpeedEvil: that answer was for me? |
| 01:33.36 | cpscotti | any ideas on when it's comming back? |
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| 01:36.20 | SpeedEvil | I assume sometime monday is likely. |
| 01:36.31 | kamui__ | wowzers |
| 01:36.39 | SpeedEvil | presumably nobody was able to work on it during the weekend due to the security lions or something. |
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| 01:37.04 | SpeedEvil | but I don't think there has been any actual info from anyone that knows on an ETA |
| 01:37.15 | GeneralAntilles | Monday is the ETA. |
| 01:37.22 | goodwill | I think the servers just needed a good wekend of drinking |
| 01:37.25 | cpscotti | ohh |
| 01:37.26 | cpscotti | ye.. |
| 01:37.30 | cpscotti | just found on talk |
| 01:37.31 | goodwill | everyone needs that at some point or other |
| 01:37.42 | cpscotti | goodwill: totally agreed! |
| 01:38.02 | similac | are the espejo mirrors still working? |
| 01:38.11 | goodwill | yes |
| 01:38.26 | goodwill | all hail jebba |
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| 01:38.54 | similac | strange I can't get to them or the maemo servers now |
| 01:39.31 | goodwill | similac: http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras/ ... works for me |
| 01:40.02 | similac | thanks |
| 01:40.54 | goodwill | qtircelco is nice |
| 01:41.14 | goodwill | but I think the transmitter is directional instead of area |
| 01:41.28 | goodwill | cause I have to point it directly |
| 01:41.43 | goodwill | tomorrow I'll mess with Mac boys at work ... |
| 01:41.44 | goodwill | hehehe |
| 01:41.51 | goodwill | iPhone my a.... |
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| 01:44.35 | MaemohammadAG | goodwill, you're right |
| 01:44.44 | MaemohammadAG | i thought it was weak |
| 01:44.50 | MaemohammadAG | pointing it directly works |
| 01:45.48 | goodwill | MaemohammadAG: I kinda wonder if its possible to install a little lense over it ... |
| 01:47.21 | MaemohammadAG | might be possible |
| 01:47.26 | MaemohammadAG | or a small reflector |
| 01:51.04 | MaemohammadAG | anyways i'm off |
| 01:51.20 | MaemohammadAG | have fun with your mac friends goodwill :p |
| 01:51.21 | MaemohammadAG | nn |
| 01:51.26 | goodwill | hehehe |
| 01:51.49 | MaemohammadAG | marks his next target, the tv store |
| 01:53.05 | similac | not sur ewhy Application manager is failing on getting the info from those catalogs now, it worked earkier today |
| 01:54.15 | goodwill | interesting ... messaging uses html and js for render |
| 01:54.16 | goodwill | this opens up a lot of possibilities |
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| 01:54.24 | similac | earlier even |
| 01:54.25 | similac | lol |
| 01:54.25 | similac | splitsville |
| 01:54.25 | ruied | can I open samba shares in n900? |
| 01:54.25 | torindel | ruied: if you install kernel module yes |
| 01:56.07 | similac | anyone have any ideas why the catalogs I should be able to reach are failing to refresh on N900 |
| 01:56.08 | similac | ? |
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| 01:56.31 | goodwill | simeoni: there shoudl be an error message yo can look at |
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| 01:56.49 | similac | strange messages |
| 01:57.27 | similac | it's telling me it couldn't resolve teh domain but it gives nme the ip address to the name |
| 01:57.30 | similac | LOL |
| 01:57.30 | jebba | similac: which messages? I just checked each server and the logs are flowing. |
| 01:57.43 | VDVsx | so, the mailing list are down ? (I was out during the week, catching up atm :) ) |
| 01:57.49 | jebba | VDVsx: yes down. |
| 01:58.06 | VDVsx | great! |
| 01:58.16 | jebba | for the whole weekend. Along with the repos, the firmware images on tablets-dev.nokia.com etc. |
| 01:58.23 | VDVsx | ouch |
| 01:58.42 | VDVsx | seems that Nokia has a god provider :p |
| 01:58.50 | VDVsx | *good |
| 01:58.54 | similac | actually its telling me it could not connect to the url |
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| 02:00.00 | similac | Unable to connect to espejo.freemoe.org |
| 02:00.05 | similac | strange |
| 02:00.19 | jebba | similac: well, others can. Something local to you. |
| 02:00.42 | similac | yeah |
| 02:00.49 | similac | just my phone |
| 02:00.53 | swc|666 | change your dns |
| 02:01.54 | goodwill | espejo.freemoe.org is down |
| 02:02.02 | similac | I have been having strange results with networking today |
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| 02:03.33 | jebba | goodwill: in what way? |
| 02:04.08 | goodwill | jebba: nm ... I think I overreacted ... |
| 02:04.08 | jebba | if you want i'll give you shell access and you can check the log files and see for yourself that it's not down. :) |
| 02:04.15 | goodwill | jebba: :) |
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| 02:04.27 | goodwill | jebba: I kinda thought it overloaded |
| 02:04.32 | goodwill | jebba: thanks for the repos |
| 02:04.44 | swc|666 | jebba, i've noticed lag in resolving it by domain name, but it resolves instantly by the A record ip's |
| 02:05.25 | similac | so maybe I'm not crazy? |
| 02:06.56 | goodwill | similac: lets not mix 2 things :) |
| 02:07.02 | similac | lol |
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| 02:08.00 | similac | Now I received teh updates from the catalogs |
| 02:09.26 | jebba | swc|666: use 8.8.8.8 for your nameserver :) |
| 02:11.04 | goodwill | what exactly is the point of the flashlight applet |
| 02:11.12 | goodwill | it just flashesh |
| 02:11.14 | swc|666 | jebba, yea i can resolve it quick from my corporate dns.. but i'd _never_ use google for resolving because it would feel *dirty* ;) |
| 02:11.17 | goodwill | it does not keep it on |
| 02:12.23 | jebba | heh |
| 02:14.22 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: it works for me. |
| 02:14.27 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: that is - it stays on |
| 02:14.38 | goodwill | interesting ... |
| 02:14.42 | goodwill | for me it just flashes |
| 02:15.05 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: open camera, dismiss camera app, click time/... area, click 'flashlight' to turn it on |
| 02:15.28 | similac | yeah works for me just fine |
| 02:15.41 | jebba | be careful with that flashlight thing. It may damage your hardware. There's a thread on talk about it. |
| 02:15.46 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 02:15.57 | SpeedEvil | Which is ass-hatted. |
| 02:16.26 | SpeedEvil | Unless the comments in the driver are incorrect, the flashlight is being used at its rated power for continuous duty. |
| 02:16.56 | jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38223 flashlight thread |
| 02:16.56 | SpeedEvil | However - there is no protection against the flash being used at full power quite often indeed - which will heat it more |
| 02:17.21 | jebba | SpeedEvil: which comment in the driver? |
| 02:17.22 | jebba | g2g for a bit |
| 02:17.54 | goodwill | ah .. a reboot fixed it |
| 02:18.04 | goodwill | i think it had something to do with the camera |
| 02:19.31 | SpeedEvil | jebba: the comment in the platform driver. Look at the comment about it I made in the n900_hardware_flashlight page on the wiki |
| 02:19.35 | SpeedEvil | which links |
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| 02:20.36 | goodwill | also I had it plugged intoi chargin |
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| 02:27.39 | jebba | SpeedEvil: ya, that's what i was talking about. But i read it differently. See that talk thread too |
| 02:27.58 | SpeedEvil | I see nothing more than largely uninformed speculation. |
| 02:28.16 | SpeedEvil | quote the lines that concern you |
| 02:28.17 | jebba | do you see the parts where i put the kernel code and the git log? |
| 02:28.42 | SpeedEvil | no - I was skimming it looking for concrete data |
| 02:28.55 | jebba | i'm not sure in the flashlight app how high it runs it though |
| 02:29.20 | SpeedEvil | without kernel mods - it can't run it continuously at low power |
| 02:29.20 | jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=443341&postcount=19 |
| 02:29.23 | SpeedEvil | as I read the driver |
| 02:29.40 | SpeedEvil | Thermal reasons |
| 02:29.52 | SpeedEvil | the LEDs are flash rated LEDs |
| 02:30.06 | SpeedEvil | that do not have adequate tehrmal paths to sustain operation at full current forever |
| 02:30.13 | SpeedEvil | presumably. |
| 02:31.29 | ShadowJK_ | anyone know how many mA full current is? |
| 02:31.41 | SpeedEvil | 320 IIRC |
| 02:31.54 | SpeedEvil | vs 50 continyous |
| 02:32.18 | SpeedEvil | the LED brightness is on the order of a tenth of flash LED brightness, so I've not bothered checking the source. |
| 02:32.20 | smps | huh 320 is some big number |
| 02:32.30 | SpeedEvil | It's clearly _lots_ dimmer. |
| 02:32.37 | SpeedEvil | .32A is a much smaller number |
| 02:32.52 | smps | for leds 320 mA is big |
| 02:33.00 | torindel | SpeedEvil: i think better idea would be just use screen backlight (white display + ignore light sensor) instead of that flashlight app |
| 02:33.00 | SpeedEvil | no, it's not. |
| 02:33.26 | ShadowJK_ | for a led without heatsink it's not something you want for more than a few seconds |
| 02:33.27 | SpeedEvil | torindel: The driver explicityl says that 50mA is OK. The flashlight app cannot without patrching the kernel do more than 50mA |
| 02:33.55 | SpeedEvil | Continuously |
| 02:34.06 | SpeedEvil | It could of course flash - but... |
| 02:34.34 | arpwatch | strobe flashlight? |
| 02:34.38 | SpeedEvil | Power LEDs are quite high power these days. |
| 02:35.14 | SpeedEvil | I have one 3.5*3.5mm LED that takes up to 3 watts, and emits about as much light as a 15W halogen bulb. |
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| 02:35.49 | ShadowJK_ | consider that maglite LED module (bulb replacement) is 350mA (iirc), and goes into thermal throttle because the maglite torches have inadequate thermal path (designed for incandescent bulbs), then compare the thermal heatsinking of the n900 LEDs... |
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| 02:36.27 | SpeedEvil | And yes - that's all quite irrelevant to the LEDs being run at 1/7th their peak power. |
| 02:36.38 | SpeedEvil | Which is explicityl stated in the driver that they can do |
| 02:37.14 | SpeedEvil | they will get lots hotter at 0.5s flash per 3 seconds or so |
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| 02:37.29 | SpeedEvil | over a couple of minutes say |
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| 02:39.14 | red | melted screen |
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| 02:41.32 | SpeedEvil | 1/7th of the peak current rather. probably more like 1/10th of the peak power. |
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| 02:48.13 | red | spent 30min rendering something |
| 02:48.36 | red | and noticed I had been editing effects in a keyframe one too soon, so next frame applied old values |
| 02:48.45 | red | ffs >_< |
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| 03:17.36 | microlith | jebba: I like your subdomains |
| 03:21.24 | jebba | :) |
| 03:23.38 | Dr_Cain | repos still down? |
| 03:23.49 | Dr_Cain | also in which repo is the portmap package? |
| 03:23.55 | Dr_Cain | kind of need it for nfs :| |
| 03:24.07 | KenYoung | Dr_Cain, Down 'til tomorrow, at least. |
| 03:24.15 | Dr_Cain | ah, alright |
| 03:24.52 | KenYoung | Dr_Cain, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=477928#post477928 |
| 03:25.21 | jebba | Dr_Cain: mirror here: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 03:25.42 | Dr_Cain | heh cool |
| 03:25.53 | Dr_Cain | I think I can wait another day though |
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| 03:29.35 | arpwatch | anyone ever convert one non-working video (.mkv file, VLC says its codecs are avc1/a52) into a format that will play on n900? I followed these directions and no luck. http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding#Step-by-step_DVD_to_MP4_using_Handbrake The audio plays but the video blinks. |
| 03:32.28 | arpwatch | tried playing in kmplayer and the default player(mplayer?) |
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| 03:36.59 | BlackHand | O_O |
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| 03:49.29 | pwnguin | having a digital camera around is pretty handy for debugging IR LEDs |
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| 05:10.55 | grishnav | damnit, are the catalogs really still down? |
| 05:14.56 | microlith | until monday |
| 05:15.15 | KenYoung | grinsekatze, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=477928#post477928 |
| 05:15.37 | KenYoung | (Ooops - I meant grishnav ) |
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| 05:19.00 | arpwatch | guess people don't work over there in Yurop on the weekends |
| 05:21.16 | grishnav | so is there any harm in using a mirror? if i install stuff from the mirror, will it correctly get updates from the regular repo when it comes back online? |
| 05:23.02 | arpwatch | grishnav: best to disable the official repo for the moment if you are using mirror |
| 05:23.20 | arpwatch | I installed xchat today with no worries from the mirror. Darn fast, too. |
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| 05:38.11 | ShadowJK_ | I hope this doesn't ignite some drive to move maemo.org to ncorporate nokia infrastructure |
| 05:40.20 | KenYoung | ShadowJK_, What do you mean by "this" ? |
| 05:40.30 | ShadowJK_ | the weekend outage |
| 05:42.14 | KenYoung | ShadowJK_, My understanding is that there have been server problems for a longer time period than that. Why would it be a bad think to move maemo.org to Nokia servers, or was thant not what you were referring to? |
| 05:42.38 | KenYoung | s/thing/think/ |
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| 05:43.39 | ShadowJK_ | despite the problems I think it's better that maemo has "control" over the server and can add new stuff and change stuff without having to go through nokia sysadmins... |
| 05:45.21 | ShadowJK_ | the thing timeless said about anything taking a minimum of 6 months on nokia's own infra :) |
| 05:53.22 | Disconnect | ask george france (of handhelds.org) about the mess he had when hp bought compaq, and again when they closed down the research lab that hosted it, and again when they stopped gifting the server space. way better to be on external infra, even if nokia wants to pay for it outright.. |
| 05:55.04 | arpwatch | Carly Fiorina was teh CEO of HP when they bought Compaq. Of course the devil is going to screw you over. |
| 05:55.16 | arpwatch | teh...the. |
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| 06:00.04 | ShadowJK_ | man, that "ISP's" webpage makes me think of dilbert comics |
| 06:01.05 | Disconnect | arpwatch: sure, cuz she went around to every employee to see how she could make their lives difficult.. or something.. |
| 06:01.32 | Disconnect | it had way more to do with stuff like router configs, ip address changes, domain management.. |
| 06:01.47 | ShadowJK_ | 50 pages to say "we consultants. we take your money." |
| 06:09.13 | RST38h | moos |
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| 06:10.56 | RST38h | BTW, Fiorina is still alive and kicking |
| 06:11.09 | RST38h | She is considered very successfull =) |
| 06:13.28 | KenYoung | RST38h, It is believed she will run for the US Senate soon. She wants to move beyond distroying the US one company at a time. |
| 06:14.11 | KenYoung | s/distroying/destroying/ |
| 06:14.34 | RST38h | KenYoung: I hope she runs for Texas or something then |
| 06:15.13 | KenYoung | RST38h, She's got her eye on a California Senate seat. |
| 06:15.24 | RST38h | Ahahaha |
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| 06:18.46 | tekojo | Morning |
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| 06:20.05 | RST38h | HELO tekojo |
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| 06:20.45 | microlith | scps video to his phone |
| 06:22.42 | tekojo | RST38h what does "dig repository.maemo.org" say to you? |
| 06:23.01 | RST38h | a moment |
| 06:23.27 | RST38h | ;; Query time: 182 msec |
| 06:23.27 | RST38h | ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) |
| 06:23.27 | RST38h | ;; WHEN: Mon Jan 18 01:23:07 2010 |
| 06:23.27 | RST38h | ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 97 |
| 06:23.51 | RST38h | maemo.org. 3600 IN SOA ns.nokia.com. hostmaster.nokia.com. 2010011701 7200 3600 1209600 3600 |
| 06:24.06 | tekojo | not good, should be something else entirely |
| 06:24.35 | microlith | seems to have confused the n900 media player greatly |
| 06:27.28 | TommyBres | there's no place like 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:30.36 | RST38h | tommy: that is the local address issuing the query apparently |
| 06:31.00 | TommyBres | RST38h: that's a joke, i've seen it written on a nerd's t-shirt |
| 06:31.09 | TommyBres | 127.0.0.1 = localhost = "home" |
| 06:31.12 | TommyBres | there's no place like home |
| 06:31.18 | hrw|gone | repository.maemo.org still dead? |
| 06:31.34 | arpwatch | oh come on you don't have to spell it out. :P |
| 06:31.43 | tekojo | hrw|gone yep, dns points to nowhere |
| 06:31.56 | tekojo | still some more clearing work to do |
| 06:31.59 | TommyBres | arpwatch: apparently i do lol :P |
| 06:32.03 | hrw|gone | nice server move |
| 06:32.31 | tekojo | not happy either |
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| 06:32.59 | arpwatch | hrw|gone: apparently Yurop'eans don't work on weekends. |
| 06:33.22 | arpwatch | (I have no idea if that is true or not, just perpetuating stereotypes) |
| 06:33.33 | tekojo | some of us do, but apparently not our isp |
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| 06:36.14 | microlith | mm, note to self, don't transfer files over wifi |
| 06:36.20 | microlith | device is quite toasty |
| 06:38.07 | arpwatch | mine seems to be a bit warm over the past couple of days. I don't know if the update is causing it somehow or what. I've been moving quite a few files over usb/wifi. |
| 06:38.44 | hrw|gone | arpwatch: it rather looks like 'we chosen hosting center which does not have any weekend time support' |
| 06:39.22 | microlith | arpwatch: over wifi it pegs the cpu |
| 06:39.41 | microlith | that and I have to turn off wifi power management or my router won't talk to my device |
| 06:40.39 | hrw|gone | ~curse modest development |
| 06:40.40 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, modest development ! |
| 06:40.45 | hrw | morning |
| 06:41.15 | arpwatch | hrw: is it Bob's Bit's n Stuff ? |
| 06:41.22 | hrw | que? |
| 06:42.21 | hrw | byr\ |
| 06:42.40 | arpwatch | I know every country is a little different but it seems like the internet and apps run on their own time. I can't imagine a company that just says "Stuff it, we'll save it for Monday" |
| 06:44.45 | tekojo | arpwatch I so agree and will tell it to an ISP in about half an hour when there is someone to talk to in colourful language |
| 06:45.49 | arpwatch | tekojo: ha! Well if you want you can forward them to me. I'm 3 sheets into the wind and I'll curse them in bad english, worse german, or awful dutch. |
| 06:46.12 | microlith | do all 3, for added effect |
| 06:46.27 | arpwatch | at the same time? it just might work. |
| 06:46.44 | tekojo | arpwatch, Ooh cursing in dutch would be a great trick |
| 06:47.23 | tigert | tekojo: so whats the real ip the dns should point to? |
| 06:47.44 | tekojo | to akamai caching |
| 06:47.49 | tekojo | it's a CNAME |
| 06:47.52 | tigert | ah ok |
| 06:47.54 | tekojo | not an ip |
| 06:47.56 | tigert | right |
| 06:48.23 | arpwatch | :) time for the fools to go to bed. Hopefully I won't be using the mirror tomorrow. |
| 06:48.44 | tigert | the isp screwed up and there is nobody looking over things over weekend? |
| 06:48.54 | tigert | gah |
| 06:49.27 | tekojo | yep |
| 06:50.09 | tigert | suck |
| 06:54.27 | tigert | i guess a good isp is one where you can /msg the sysadmin on irc because he hangs on the same channels ;) |
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| 06:56.21 | tigert | those are getting rare though |
| 06:56.46 | tigert | (or I am on wrong channels ;) |
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| 07:16.33 | hrw | ~curse modest development |
| 07:16.34 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, modest development ! |
| 07:18.34 | hrw | there is a fix for bug in 3.2 and master branches. but 51.1 uses modest-3.1 branch which lacks too many changes to get fix applicable... |
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| 07:27.44 | ifreq | does the mediaplayer lib have long refresh/indexing time? |
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| 07:35.58 | jamie | 7/wc |
| 07:38.11 | TriztFromWork | How's it going with the DNS for r.m.o? |
| 07:38.37 | pronto | Ris there any easy fast way to force update on the media players video list? |
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| 07:43.00 | tekojo | TriztFromWork propagating according to our hostmaster |
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| 07:44.18 | pupnik | we need a frontend for building media player playlists that allows some more flexible selection. i cannot build a playlist from multiplÃe albums or categories |
| 07:46.22 | pupnik | Apple seeks ban on nokia imports http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10436415-37.html |
| 07:47.47 | pupnik | When government is allowed to regulate buying and selling, the first thing bought and sold is government. - P.J. OäRourke |
| 07:48.13 | TriztFromWork | lets ban US and the world becomes a better place |
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| 07:56.05 | Caesium | is there any known reason that ctrl isn't sticky like shift and blue-fn arrow are? and is it fixable in the keymap? |
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| 08:11.05 | TriztFromWork | how often do you need a sticky ctrl? |
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| 08:13.27 | Caesium | quite often, screen detach of ctrl-a d is hard using left hand only without it |
| 08:13.41 | tigert | Name: a515.g.akamai.net |
| 08:13.48 | tigert | ok, propagating indeed |
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| 08:15.21 | Wolfie | Caesium: xterm's on-screen ctrl is sticky |
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| 08:16.12 | ifvoid | hi\ |
| 08:16.14 | Caesium | yeah, that's what I use atm |
| 08:16.14 | ifvoid | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz |
| 08:16.20 | ifvoid | that doesn't look good :( |
| 08:17.32 | X-Fade | ifvoid: Waiting for the cache to be flushed. |
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| 08:23.47 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 08:43.08 | ruskie | http://petition.stopsoftwarepatents.eu/ <-- hmm |
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| 08:45.40 | Lynoure | Interesting, before the latest upgrade, if I had Quicknote running and clicked on the launcher on the desktop, I got sent to the existing Quicknote |
| 08:45.47 | Lynoure | Now a new one gets started. |
| 08:49.19 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: oh, can you record your discussions? i want to hear finns using colorful language |
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| 08:49.46 | tekojo | timeless_mbp it's fairly monotonic |
| 08:50.01 | timeless_mbp | tigert: dunno, DreamHost sitll does that |
| 08:50.07 | jX | timeless: Love the hidden portrait mode for the browser, btw |
| 08:50.09 | Hukka | Urgh, apt complains of missing repository keys |
| 08:50.09 | jX | it's schweet. |
| 08:50.15 | Hukka | Did something happen with the old ones? |
| 08:50.26 | jX | Hukka: Maemo.org is on the move |
| 08:50.30 | jX | so they're down for now |
| 08:50.55 | timeless_mbp | Hukka: you should read the channel topic |
| 08:50.58 | tekojo | Hukka you are seeing a problem with the akamai caching. It's being solved |
| 08:51.03 | timeless_mbp | for some stupid reason we put topical information into the topic |
| 08:51.23 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: presumably you'll use qaiku to update people |
| 08:51.30 | Hukka | timeless_mbp: I read it when I join, but yeah, should check it more often |
| 08:51.45 | tekojo | timeless_mbp good point |
| 08:51.48 | timeless_mbp | goes to a morning meeting |
| 08:52.03 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: are you going to be at the meeting or are you still babysitting the isp? |
| 08:52.20 | Hukka | I just thought it was odd that the packages download, but the keys are off |
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| 08:55.41 | tekojo | timeless_mbp meeting? |
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| 08:58.53 | timeless_mbp | oops, wrong group |
| 08:59.00 | tekojo | no prob |
| 08:59.08 | timeless_mbp | people don't seem to understand the definition of "all" |
| 08:59.16 | timeless_mbp | so someone hijacked it |
| 08:59.17 | timeless_mbp | ... |
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| 09:02.27 | X-Fade | Hukka: Better now? |
| 09:03.51 | Hukka | X-Fade: Yeah |
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| 09:16.13 | Arkenoi | looks strange: my n900 *always* charges from USB cable but if i plug the charger shipped with the device it ofiten have to re-plug it second time to get it charging |
| 09:16.26 | Arkenoi | i often have, even |
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| 09:20.18 | timeless | frowns |
| 09:20.49 | timeless | Lynoure: that'd be a bug in quicknote |
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| 09:22.55 | simonss | Hello. Anyone here that could answer a question about flashing my n900? |
| 09:22.59 | Stskeeps | shoot |
| 09:23.08 | timeless | x-fade: ping |
| 09:23.18 | timeless | timeless_mbp can't join #maemo |
| 09:23.20 | X-Fade | timeless: yep |
| 09:23.22 | simonss | I want to flash my N900 with a Norwegian keyboard, and unsure which image is the right |
| 09:23.24 | X-Fade | timeless: Now you should. |
| 09:23.32 | X-Fade | timeless: removed -r mode. |
| 09:23.35 | timeless | the irc client there claims that the channel required users to be ... |
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| 09:23.44 | timeless | thanks |
| 09:24.02 | X-Fade | Don't know who set that, but that is a bit of a barrier to entry. |
| 09:24.10 | timeless | no kidding |
| 09:24.23 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: a huge spam attack and it was advised by freenode staff i think |
| 09:24.25 | simonss | which image will enable the norgwegian hardware keyboard and let flash the device with the norwegian settings? |
| 09:24.31 | Stskeeps | simonss: any, i think |
| 09:24.35 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, but that is jus not an option. |
| 09:24.39 | timeless_mbp | has now surpassed an unreasonably high barrier to entry |
| 09:24.50 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: for longer than attack lasts, yeah, it's not |
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| 09:25.03 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That will wipe out about half of our users. |
| 09:25.04 | Stskeeps | still has 84% of the ircd market, so he knows :P |
| 09:25.11 | simonss | ok? so should I just go with http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 09:25.16 | hrw | ok, need to take care of other things. bye |
| 09:25.58 | timeless_mbp | simonss: you know that you can change the keyboard layout after you boot, right? |
| 09:26.15 | timeless_mbp | and that the device is supposed to figure out which country it's in so that it doesn't violate local airwave laws |
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| 09:27.36 | simonss | nope. didn't know. but sounds great. was just wondering because there were different images for us and middle easst |
| 09:27.49 | simonss | anyway. Thanks for lovely and quick support :) see you around! |
| 09:28.51 | ifvoid | does anyone know which repository libgles2 (for fremantle) is supposed to be in? Qt depends on it, but apt-get can't find it... |
| 09:28.59 | Stskeeps | ifvoid: nokia-binaries |
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| 09:29.22 | simonss | By the way I'm flashing because of this Bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838 Its unresolved and has happened to other people I know. |
| 09:29.24 | povbot` | Bug 5838: Certain directory entries are duplicated |
| 09:29.32 | ifvoid | Stskeeps: how do I install those for fremantle? |
| 09:29.33 | simonss | any ideas? |
| 09:29.57 | ifvoid | Stskeeps: maemo-sdk says: "Error: Binary-only supplement package not available for fremantle5.0minimal_armel." |
| 09:30.11 | sivang | morning rockefellas! |
| 09:30.21 | sivang | What a wonderful rainey morning. |
| 09:30.25 | Stskeeps | ifvoid: that's sb1 or sb2? |
| 09:30.38 | ifvoid | sb2 |
| 09:30.48 | Stskeeps | no idea sorry :/ |
| 09:30.58 | ifvoid | trying to follow the instruction here http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-debian.html |
| 09:31.06 | ifvoid | which worked perfectly for diablo |
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| 09:31.50 | sivang | Stskeeps: why don't you use the install script ? |
| 09:31.59 | sivang | Stskeeps: it uses system's pakcages |
| 09:32.05 | sivang | Stskeeps: so no /opt pollution |
| 09:32.07 | Stskeeps | er.. me or ifvoid |
| 09:32.17 | sivang | oops |
| 09:32.20 | sivang | yes :) |
| 09:32.25 | sivang | ifvoid: ^^^ |
| 09:32.26 | ifvoid | sivang: install script? |
| 09:32.27 | rkc | Hi.. I have a touch selector in my window.. I want to append new elements in the selector. Appending works fine. But, the windw is not getting refreshed... how to refresh the window? |
| 09:32.38 | sivang | ifvoid: yeah, a PyQt4 based install script for the sdk |
| 09:32.41 | sivang | ifvoid: very neat |
| 09:32.46 | ifvoid | oh, sounds nice |
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| 09:47.37 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Happy New Year on behalf of the Maemo Community | Repositories and mailing lists temporarily down, see http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 09:47.57 | simonss | okidok. It says " Vanilla flash image doesnt come with preloaded maps" What does that mean? |
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| 09:49.40 | Stskeeps | simonss: as in they don't precache according to your region |
| 09:49.45 | Stskeeps | you can always download and extract though |
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| 09:50.54 | simonss | Stskeeps: I never realized my device came with preloaded maps. was sure I had to download everything I viewed. Where can I find map files to upload to my device? |
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| 09:51.51 | Stskeeps | tries to look |
| 09:52.10 | Mece | so what's the word on the repos? |
| 09:52.29 | X-Fade | Mece: should be working? |
| 09:52.42 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:53.47 | sakkadakka | Stskeeps: sorry I fell out. hope I didn't miss ur answer? |
| 09:53.57 | Mece | heh good timing. I tried it 5m ago :D |
| 09:54.19 | Stskeeps | sakkadakka: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c |
| 09:54.20 | Mece | what's the word on tmo then? |
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| 09:54.33 | Stskeeps | tmo hasn't been down |
| 09:54.38 | jockepr0 | yo! |
| 09:55.16 | Mece | i can't seem to reach tmo |
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| 09:55.43 | Mece | oh sweet updates how I've missed you! |
| 09:55.59 | Stskeeps | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org |
| 09:56.00 | sakkadakka | Stskeeps: thanks. wonderful :) Last question: Is there any way to sync N900 Ovi Maps with the browser version? |
| 09:56.22 | Stskeeps | no idea |
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| 09:56.47 | Sargun | Has anyone hacked plain old debian or ubuntu onto the n900 |
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| 09:57.26 | Stskeeps | Sargun: Mer runs on n900, so ubuntu does too |
| 09:57.34 | wazd | heya all |
| 09:57.43 | sivang | is Mer better catch than Maemo ? |
| 09:57.55 | Stskeeps | depending on perspective but not often |
| 09:58.01 | Mece | stskeeps, apparently it's just me. brilliant site that on :) |
| 09:58.13 | adeus | hmm why is ~/.gnupg with root owner? |
| 09:58.15 | Sargun | mer? |
| 09:58.17 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:58.20 | Stskeeps | ~mer |
| 09:58.20 | infobot | from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 09:58.21 | sivang | hey hrw |
| 09:58.24 | sivang | hey Jaffa |
| 09:58.35 | Stskeeps | Sargun: ubuntu rootfs plus http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/enabling-rtc-clock-battery-charging-and.html and xserver-xorg-input-tslib should do the trick |
| 09:58.38 | sivang | Jaffa: what's going on with the tool to download ovi maps on the machine ? |
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| 09:59.12 | Sargun | can you put the radios into monitor mode? |
| 09:59.14 | sivang | checks if his mirror is ready |
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| 09:59.48 | sivang | has anybody else experienced very long time before connecting the GPS data? |
| 09:59.52 | sivang | It practically never works. |
| 10:00.01 | Stskeeps | sivang: AGPS is really a good thing to use |
| 10:00.19 | RST38h | Sts: Indeed, when you have A- |
| 10:00.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: that said, there are fishy situations with non A- gps |
| 10:00.47 | wazd | 's looking where to buy anaglyph goggles |
| 10:01.02 | sivang | Stskeeps: what is it? |
| 10:01.08 | Stskeeps | sivang: assisted GPS |
| 10:01.15 | sivang | jebba: oh dear, my disk ran full |
| 10:01.18 | Stskeeps | on n900 that works fine for me |
| 10:01.23 | sivang | jebba: so rsync stopped in the middle |
| 10:01.39 | sivang | googles for assisted GPS |
| 10:01.51 | RST38h | wazd: mghm...why? |
| 10:02.13 | wazd | RST38h: want to try it :P |
| 10:02.14 | Stskeeps | sivang: PR1.0 or PR1.1? |
| 10:02.31 | sivang | Stskeeps: you mean the software version? |
| 10:02.35 | wazd | RST38h: nVidia 3D g's are "oh my god why so expensive" |
| 10:02.37 | sivang | Stskeeps: not sure what you're asking me :) |
| 10:02.41 | RST38h | wazd: these are made by holding red/blue glasses to left/right eyes |
| 10:02.52 | wazd | RST38h: well, I know :D |
| 10:03.00 | Stskeeps | sivang: right |
| 10:03.05 | RST38h | wazd: You can either make them yourself or pick some kids' magazine from the nearest kiosk |
| 10:03.13 | sivang | Stskeeps: /me Abouts on the N900 |
| 10:03.36 | Stskeeps | and Maep gives a much better experience of the n900 gps :P |
| 10:03.41 | Stskeeps | than ovi maps |
| 10:03.44 | RST38h | Maep rules |
| 10:03.58 | RST38h | Do you know how I can contact the author btw? |
| 10:04.08 | sivang | Stskeeps: OVI maps is quite poor, yes |
| 10:04.09 | Stskeeps | it's till- isn't it |
| 10:04.18 | sivang | Stskeeps: Maep is a FLOSS app? |
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| 10:04.36 | Stskeeps | yes, you can use it to floss with |
| 10:04.42 | sivang | hehe |
| 10:04.44 | sivang | FOSS |
| 10:04.50 | sivang | :) |
| 10:05.26 | sivang | Stskeeps: no PR on at the about product page |
| 10:05.34 | sivang | Stskeeps: where do I get that PR number? |
| 10:05.41 | Stskeeps | sivang: what version does it say? |
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| 10:05.57 | sivang | 2.2009.51-1 |
| 10:06.03 | Stskeeps | right, PR1.1 |
| 10:06.08 | Stskeeps | try out Maep and see how it performs then |
| 10:06.14 | sivang | okay |
| 10:06.14 | Stskeeps | i really had no issue with my setup |
| 10:06.23 | sivang | JUst need to fix the sources.list |
| 10:06.26 | Stskeeps | tries to make Maep cache maps for helsinki |
| 10:06.26 | sivang | are nokia repos up ? |
| 10:06.43 | sivang | I tried mirroring them, but I do not have enough disk space :/ |
| 10:06.51 | Stskeeps | DNS is changing, takes time |
| 10:06.55 | Stskeeps | so it might be |
| 10:07.09 | sivang | let's check |
| 10:07.15 | sivang | checks in scrapbox |
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| 10:09.18 | arachnist | why doesn't it have a more reasonable TTL, like 3600s? |
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| 10:11.23 | sivang | repos seems to be up |
| 10:12.12 | sivang | btw, anybody esle saw the terrible bug when asking the phone app to kick it on tilt ? |
| 10:12.16 | sivang | when the call finishes, |
| 10:12.29 | sivang | it puts you back in the desktop but doesn't go back to landscape view |
| 10:12.43 | sivang | and from there everything's corrupted |
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| 10:12.50 | sivang | the view size of the desktop |
| 10:12.51 | rabbitear | . |
| 10:12.54 | X-Fade | sivang: Yes, I have seen this, but couldn't reproduce. |
| 10:13.06 | sivang | X-Fade: hard to reprodue, but I think I can |
| 10:13.13 | X-Fade | sivang: At least I couldn't find the exact sequence. |
| 10:13.17 | sivang | right |
| 10:13.24 | sivang | it doesn't seem to be deterministic |
| 10:13.25 | sivang | odd |
| 10:13.36 | sivang | we also need to improve multitasking. |
| 10:13.45 | X-Fade | sivang: lock device, press powerbutton. and open with on screen slider. |
| 10:14.02 | sivang | There are certain tasks, that make doing other things on the phone jerky |
| 10:14.12 | sivang | for example, having a call and trying to use Conboy |
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| 10:14.16 | sivang | (to take a note) |
| 10:14.22 | rabbitear | I think people think powermanagement is a slow thing |
| 10:14.29 | X-Fade | That is basically swapping. |
| 10:14.44 | sivang | that happens also when not using the phone app |
| 10:14.48 | X-Fade | Not enough ram, so it swapsand this is slow. |
| 10:14.53 | sivang | the phone app seems to be eating lots of resources for some odd reason |
| 10:14.58 | rabbitear | I used to use slower computers then the n900 |
| 10:15.08 | sivang | X-Fade: how can I increase RAM? |
| 10:15.10 | sivang | mSD? |
| 10:15.18 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Happy New Year on behalf of the Maemo Community | Repositories and mailing lists were temporarily down, see http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 10:15.22 | X-Fade | sivang: You can't ;) |
| 10:15.33 | rabbitear | I'm useless at finding things that are wrong.. |
| 10:15.41 | sivang | and watching a film, is always jerky until about 10 minutes of playing |
| 10:15.50 | sivang | rabbitear: I was a QA for too lonng. |
| 10:15.58 | sivang | rabbitear: even when I'm developing, I am finding bugs. |
| 10:16.07 | sivang | jynks! |
| 10:16.10 | sivang | :-) |
| 10:16.22 | rabbitear | sivang: mencoder will tone down your videos for you |
| 10:16.33 | rabbitear | sivang: you can even do it on the device.. |
| 10:16.48 | sivang | rabbitear: what does that mean? (no native english speaking here) |
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| 10:17.02 | sivang | tone == color tone? |
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| 10:17.39 | rabbitear | sivang: you run a choppy hog video throw a ... like converter ... and get something that is completely playable |
| 10:17.59 | rabbitear | sivang: you make it easier for the n900 to play |
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| 10:18.17 | sivang | rabbitear: but why does the iPhone need not this to play vidoes properly? |
| 10:18.18 | rabbitear | sivang: high speed == tone in that case |
| 10:18.34 | sivang | rabbitear: it's not using ATOM right? |
| 10:18.38 | sivang | (iphone) |
| 10:18.40 | rabbitear | sivang: resource hog -- some videos are |
| 10:18.47 | rabbitear | no |
| 10:18.48 | sivang | okay |
| 10:18.50 | sivang | cool |
| 10:18.51 | sivang | noted |
| 10:19.00 | pupnik | you think a "choppy hog" is parseable by a non-english native? |
| 10:19.07 | pupnik | 'slow' |
| 10:19.16 | sivang | pupnik: the hog was enough |
| 10:19.19 | sivang | :) |
| 10:19.25 | sivang | choppy got EPARSE for me |
| 10:19.27 | rabbitear | the point got across |
| 10:19.27 | sivang | indeed |
| 10:19.30 | rabbitear | done. |
| 10:19.43 | rkc | is there any refresh method for GtkWidget? |
| 10:19.53 | sivang | rabbitear: .redraw something |
| 10:19.58 | sivang | rkc: ^^^ |
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| 10:20.55 | Whitedeath | welcome |
| 10:21.31 | rkc | sivang: I want to redraw my selector widget after adding elements dynamically |
| 10:21.47 | rkc | it gets refreshed only when i select some item in the selector |
| 10:21.54 | sivang | rkc: listen to the event |
| 10:21.57 | sivang | rkc: then |
| 10:22.11 | sivang | rkc: you can listen to the adding/removing event, and respond accordingly |
| 10:22.16 | rkc | but there is not addition event that can be listened |
| 10:22.43 | sivang | rkc: IIRC the GTK selector widget fires those events. |
| 10:23.09 | rkc | ok.. even if i can catch those events.. how to command to redraw? |
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| 10:24.20 | lardman | Jaffa: that email did get through btw |
| 10:24.50 | lardman | the previous one |
| 10:24.59 | rkc | hildon-touch-selector has only one signal "changed", thats been fired when we click on the item.. |
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| 10:25.34 | sivang | rkc: well, you can subclass it and create an improved widget that will fire the events. |
| 10:25.37 | sivang | rkc: http://www.gtk.org/tutorial1.2/gtk_tut-22.html |
| 10:27.00 | rkc | thanks.. taht might help me |
| 10:28.11 | sivang | rkc: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-queue-draw-area |
| 10:28.24 | sivang | rkc: you on fremantel ? |
| 10:28.34 | wazd | X-Fade: ah, the Savior is here! :D |
| 10:28.42 | rkc | sivang: yes |
| 10:28.46 | sivang | rkc: okay |
| 10:29.12 | sivang | -> lunch |
| 10:29.35 | rkc | sivang: I maed a small work around.. which helped me.. |
| 10:30.07 | rkc | whenever a new item is added i will set that item as active.. (simulating the user selection), this fires an event "changed".. |
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| 10:30.25 | rkc | on those signal handling the widget has been drawn properly |
| 10:30.29 | sivang | rkc: make sure this is not incurring overheard. I've seen cases where it did. |
| 10:30.39 | sivang | rkc: test it on the device when other tasks are running before you release it |
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| 10:30.59 | rkc | yeah.. of course it may be.. but as long as i am not doing much on the slot i hope its fine |
| 10:31.09 | rkc | sivang: sure |
| 10:31.33 | rkc | i am just a learner.. so its really far from releasse.. but ur point is really valid.. |
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| 10:48.03 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles / Jaffa / X-Fade : help |
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| 10:51.25 | adam | good morning |
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| 10:59.57 | X-Fade | Jaffa: ping? |
| 11:02.21 | rabbitear | pongish |
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| 11:16.11 | Fatal | frals: sorry to poke you, but couldn't find anyone else, do you have problems with internet over 3g on your tele2 sim? |
| 11:16.28 | Fatal | or anyone know of any issues regarding mobile internet after 1.1 update? |
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| 11:16.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Nokia Ovi Press event, 21st January, they're claiming "big new" ... interesting |
| 11:17.38 | SpeedEvil | Wallpapers with lots of titties! |
| 11:17.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Haha |
| 11:17.50 | SpeedEvil | Official nokia onws! |
| 11:17.55 | Laiska | mmm, titties |
| 11:18.11 | range | Hmmm. All those Beachbabe themes seem to have gone from the ovi store. |
| 11:18.17 | SpeedEvil | I hope it's actual useful stuff tho |
| 11:18.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | likewise, although I will not be attending |
| 11:18.45 | Myrtti | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Tit |
| 11:18.46 | SpeedEvil | For example turn by turn, or a compatibility layer. |
| 11:19.05 | SpeedEvil | has some in the garden. |
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| 11:19.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's bound to be something generally relating to Ovi, like several new developers/publishers onboard |
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| 11:20.50 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 11:20.50 | lardman | SpeedEvil: working repos? |
| 11:21.04 | SpeedEvil | media content. |
| 11:21.12 | SpeedEvil | lardman: don't be silly. Way too radical. |
| 11:21.53 | lardman | true |
| 11:22.04 | Stskeeps | Gadgetoid_mbp: maybe that they fixed the SNAFU of paid apps possible to apt-get |
| 11:23.03 | lardman | hmm, even if that's fixed, how do you stop people from packaging up an installed app? |
| 11:23.40 | Caesium | with lawyers ;) |
| 11:23.40 | SpeedEvil | Add hidden signatures in the binaries |
| 11:24.00 | lardman | what does that do? |
| 11:24.10 | lardman | doesn't stop it running I assume |
| 11:24.29 | Remosi | Magical Crypto Pixie Dust.... Crypto can fix all our security problems.... right? |
| 11:24.47 | lardman | ah, pixies, always the answer |
| 11:25.01 | SpeedEvil | lardman: let you trace who shared the app |
| 11:25.18 | lardman | yeah I suppose so |
| 11:25.56 | Remosi | Does this mean that all the paid apps are going to run their own updaters? Are our status areas going to look like (!) ()) (!) (!) (!) (!) /!\ (!) with all the apps that want us to upgrade? |
| 11:26.22 | Remosi | bonus points if they all blink on different periods |
| 11:26.28 | Remosi | giving a neat disco effect |
| 11:26.33 | lardman | and different colours ;) |
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| 11:27.25 | Shadikka | LED goes pink blue yellow green pink orange white rinse repeat. |
| 11:27.28 | Remosi | Will at least one of them ignore your settings and decide to download a 2GB update over GPRS while you happen to be roaming? |
| 11:28.00 | Shrik3 | wouldn't be fun otherwise |
| 11:28.37 | alterego | yawns |
| 11:28.37 | Remosi | Shrik3, We need to make sure we give end users an /authentic/ computing experience |
| 11:29.11 | Shrik3 | the Nokia experiance |
| 11:29.17 | Stskeeps | Remosi: i think they'll just settle for token repo like things |
| 11:29.29 | Shrik3 | experience even |
| 11:29.48 | Remosi | Stskeeps, that'd be nice, apt is /awesome/, and it's even more awesome having it on a phone |
| 11:30.15 | wazd | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-theme-marina/hildon-theme-marina_0.95_all.deb <- go test everybody! |
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| 11:38.17 | niekt0 | Fatal> I have |
| 11:38.30 | inz | the double-powerkey-lock is pretty handy |
| 11:38.56 | inz | but |
| 11:38.59 | inz | oops |
| 11:39.00 | niekt0 | btw: Vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972, it's blocking bug |
| 11:39.01 | povbot` | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found |
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| 11:43.30 | xorAxAx | niekt0: how do i build a single kernel module for the device? |
| 11:43.55 | SpeedEvil | look for the jebba kernel thingy - it may have hte module yuou want |
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| 11:44.55 | xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: indeed |
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| 11:46.13 | Stskeeps | lo javispedro |
| 11:46.19 | javispedro | hi Stskeeps! |
| 11:46.22 | niekt0 | xorAxAx > i build my module in SDK, according to howto in wiki. (but it was pain). Jebbas howto seems to be more actual. |
| 11:46.29 | javispedro | just wanting to ping you :) |
| 11:46.39 | javispedro | hows the white textures issue? |
| 11:47.00 | javispedro | Stskeeps^^ |
| 11:47.04 | Stskeeps | javispedro: hmm, think i integrated the patch and i can't recall having problems |
| 11:47.40 | javispedro | the last one (testing the byte_order flag)? |
| 11:47.48 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:47.55 | javispedro | good |
| 11:48.07 | javispedro | :) wouldn't want to cause any other regression |
| 11:48.52 | Jaffa | X-Fade: pong |
| 11:50.19 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Requested dpkg update in PR1.2 devkit. Marcell will ask around if that is possible. |
| 11:50.39 | javispedro | oh, that's nice |
| 11:50.56 | javispedro | though my condolences to the one that will battle sbox's devkit template |
| 11:51.05 | Stskeeps | indeed |
| 11:51.10 | Stskeeps | may god have mercy on his soul |
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| 11:52.18 | X-Fade | Well, sdk dpkg is up to date. And it works if you upgrade, so I don't see a big problem for the devkit. |
| 11:52.36 | X-Fade | Other than politics :D |
| 11:52.40 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: the problem is that devkit is riddled with weird SB patches |
| 11:52.49 | Stskeeps | and dpkg is overriden by devkit |
| 11:52.51 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Indeed. |
| 11:52.59 | Stskeeps | i have done it once but i almost went mad |
| 11:53.47 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool, ta |
| 11:53.56 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Good weekend? ;-) |
| 11:54.04 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Not really :( |
| 11:54.19 | X-Fade | Ruined my weekend nicely. |
| 11:56.33 | andre__ | how long does it take until a new blogpost is shown on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ ? asking because my last one never appeared, and I'd at least like to see mine form this morning. |
| 11:56.58 | Stskeeps | andre__: what hosting provider do you have? |
| 11:56.59 | Stskeeps | for the blog |
| 11:57.12 | andre__ | Stskeeps, blogs.gnome.org |
| 11:57.16 | X-Fade | andre__: import runs at :30 each hour. |
| 11:57.23 | andre__ | X-Fade, then something is wrong. |
| 11:57.33 | Stskeeps | andre__: if there's a non-UTC timestamp on the RSS, planet will be sorting it as if the TS was UTC |
| 11:58.08 | Stskeeps | but hmm, can't seem to find it earlier |
| 11:58.10 | andre__ | http://maemo.org/news//planet-maemo/category/feed:dc20fa196db95934cf422cacd1cd8471/ is missing my last two posts. |
| 11:58.51 | Stskeeps | andre__: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=479671 is an excellent illustration of misinformation btw :P |
| 11:58.51 | andre__ | looks like it definitely has a UTC timestamp. |
| 11:59.42 | Stskeeps | (people are freaking out cos there's plain text passwords) |
| 11:59.48 | xorAxAx | jebba: can you update your modules for the PR1.1? |
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| 12:02.00 | Remosi | Hrm, my N900 since the firmware updates seems to make random, quiet sounds. I think it's trying to tell me it's just connected to an IM service |
| 12:02.04 | Remosi | but there are no banners when it does so |
| 12:02.06 | X-Fade | andre__: It gets an error when parsing your feed. |
| 12:02.12 | Remosi | anyone know what it is? |
| 12:02.16 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/packages/view/catorise/ Stskeeps X-Fade can we get a link from package page to voting page? |
| 12:02.48 | range | wazd: Nice clean one. |
| 12:02.50 | range | Me likes |
| 12:02.59 | Fatal | niekt0: interesting, did it stop working post 1.1 upgrade? I mostly use it on wlan at work, so didn't notice it until yesterday when I wasn't near a AP :/ |
| 12:03.43 | andre__ | X-Fade, any more verbose info? |
| 12:03.44 | X-Fade | andre__: Your feed is broken. |
| 12:03.49 | andre__ | fuck. why? :) |
| 12:03.50 | X-Fade | andre__: http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.gnome.org%2Faklapper%2Fcategory%2Fcomputer%2Fmaemo%2Ffeed%2Frss%2F |
| 12:03.57 | X-Fade | andre__: Escape & ;) |
| 12:04.07 | andre__ | garrrrr |
| 12:04.09 | andre__ | thanks |
| 12:04.30 | andre__ | so if I fix that one, my posts will automatically show up? let's try |
| 12:04.34 | mst | andre__: that's so easy to miss. |
| 12:04.45 | niekt0 | Fatal> yop, i think it's somewhere in bugzilla also |
| 12:04.46 | mst | cos it works most places |
| 12:04.55 | wazd | range: any bugs? |
| 12:05.04 | X-Fade | andre__: I think so. |
| 12:05.32 | andre__ | done. let's see. thanks so much for showing me that it's my fault :-D |
| 12:05.46 | Jaffa | pupnik: There's no voting for Catorise yet as it's not in -testing :) |
| 12:06.10 | range | wazd: No obvious ones, yet. |
| 12:06.49 | wazd | range: if you don't mind, can you post some screenshots for me? :D |
| 12:06.55 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/packages/ ahh there's a link there - good deal |
| 12:06.58 | rabbitear | andre__: I haven't been in the list at all, I'm been having too much fun with this n900 |
| 12:07.05 | range | wazd: Some special things you are interested in? |
| 12:07.37 | rabbitear | wazd: we post the minds |
| 12:07.48 | wazd | range: well, desktops, calculator, call ui, browser and conversations would be awesome |
| 12:07.52 | rabbitear | wazd: not no simple screenshots |
| 12:08.07 | range | wazd: Okie. Let me see. |
| 12:08.17 | wazd | range: and onscreen keyboard :P |
| 12:08.23 | rabbitear | wazd: sorry your out of the scene, but thats fine |
| 12:08.51 | Fatal | niekt0: recall any words of the report? no luck with gprs or tele2 so far |
| 12:09.15 | rabbitear | wazd: I'm steeling credit card numbers on my n900 |
| 12:09.27 | rabbitear | wazd: what are you doing? |
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| 12:09.36 | Stskeeps | rabbitear: are you high? |
| 12:09.58 | rabbitear | :) I'm just kidding |
| 12:10.11 | rabbitear | but I'm not in a position to take any shots |
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| 12:11.03 | niekt0 | Fatal> hmm, cannot find it, I thing it was something with 3G, or 2G |
| 12:11.31 | rabbitear | MaxFi |
| 12:11.37 | frals | Fatal: nope, no problems, just got dropped of the cell network yday and after reboot i got a service message with new settings (which i rejected) |
| 12:11.38 | niekt0 | Fatal> Maybe its worth creating new one |
| 12:12.49 | rabbitear | yes Stskeeps just don't say much |
| 12:13.11 | fatal^ | Fatal: tele2 works perfectly for me. |
| 12:13.18 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: now that you are using translated labels, the german ones are truncated |
| 12:13.21 | range | wazd: SMS/Mail notifications are too dark. |
| 12:13.27 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: because they are too long |
| 12:13.42 | range | wazd: Let me wait for a new one. |
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| 12:13.56 | rabbitear | its just in the bodies they are too long |
| 12:14.08 | rabbitear | they can be read too |
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| 12:16.27 | niekt0 | hm, something like whereis would be really usefull for n900 |
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| 12:17.22 | Stskeeps | morning VDVsx |
| 12:17.39 | VDVsx | morning Stskeeps |
| 12:18.13 | rabbitear | I can't write appications of my own because I am afaird of doing work... the management |
| 12:18.17 | VDVsx | is lost in the mail :( |
| 12:18.34 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092 if you want a distraction :P (proposal about project management sw for maemo.org) |
| 12:18.54 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Same for "Location & Navigation" in en_GB |
| 12:18.59 | rabbitear | we rather just tell somebody what to do... |
| 12:19.04 | rabbitear | then anything do it |
| 12:19.12 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: ok |
| 12:19.20 | mst | rabbitear: s/we/humans/ and your statement still stands. |
| 12:19.22 | rabbitear | and management is people too |
| 12:19.33 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Lctn & nvgtn ;) |
| 12:19.34 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Not sure how best to approach it. 1) Probably should be a hildon-desktop bug that it doesn't wrap; 2) pending that, have own set of shorter translations? But "short label" is an anethema to de_DE ;-) |
| 12:19.41 | range | Ummm. |
| 12:19.44 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, oh, I started a tool with some friends at University, a basecamp clone :p |
| 12:19.48 | range | How do I enable the onscreen keyboard? |
| 12:19.50 | rabbitear | as a selfish one tho, if you wanna talk |
| 12:19.55 | mst | range: it's in settings |
| 12:20.01 | mst | range: text input or something |
| 12:20.03 | rabbitear | it is in the settings range |
| 12:20.06 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: interesting |
| 12:20.15 | rabbitear | its kinda annoying tho... |
| 12:20.20 | rabbitear | I tried that... |
| 12:20.29 | rabbitear | a first its cool tho.. |
| 12:22.07 | range | wazd: No screenshot from that - I cannot press CTRL-Shift-P on it :) |
| 12:22.39 | bigbrovar | is anyone having problem with upnp videos? it was working fine for me before the PR 1.1 software update |
| 12:22.57 | wazd | range: heh) |
| 12:23.12 | bigbrovar | sound plays fine but video is missing :S |
| 12:23.37 | rabbitear | I always say you need to read the man page of mencoder |
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| 12:23.50 | rabbitear | but what do I know |
| 12:24.38 | rabbitear | whats the 1080p bandwidth? thats pretty smart of you to push it thru a cell phone |
| 12:24.50 | rabbitear | you da man |
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| 12:25.50 | X-Fade | rabbitear: Something like 8GB/hour ;) |
| 12:25.51 | javispedro | notes tablets-dev is up and downloads everything |
| 12:26.00 | Fatal | frals / fatal^: and the only setting you guys have is "internet.tele2.se" right? no proxy or other thing like that |
| 12:27.02 | frals | Fatal: proxy 130.244.196.90:8080 |
| 12:27.06 | rabbitear | thats like saying my cell is better then that computer on your desk, rich kid with the pool |
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| 12:28.27 | rabbitear | in networking we work from the inside ... not the imagination on the outside |
| 12:28.38 | rabbitear | everything happens from within |
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| 12:29.41 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, I like the idea, but the system has to be very simple and also you will need some 'global leader's for the system :) |
| 12:30.10 | Stskeeps | :nod: it has to be very simple for anyone to understand the concept, yeah |
| 12:30.34 | rabbitear | VDVsx: sorry I'm not one of them, we just drink alot |
| 12:30.47 | rabbitear | VDVsx: go do your own works |
| 12:30.59 | rabbitear | VDVsx: not interest |
| 12:31.19 | VDVsx | rabbitear, ?? |
| 12:31.39 | rabbitear | VDVsx: don't say anything meaning less |
| 12:31.40 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: the problem will really be who's the leaders and if it will be seen things can work without them |
| 12:31.53 | Fatal | frals: hmm, ok, didn't use to need that (nor did it make a difference now) will try to debug further later, thanks |
| 12:31.54 | Stskeeps | rabbitear: next hypothesis, are you drunk? |
| 12:32.06 | rabbitear | no |
| 12:32.11 | rabbitear | Stskeeps: not really |
| 12:32.20 | rabbitear | but I can't lie |
| 12:32.33 | rabbitear | I think that is a great compliment |
| 12:32.50 | VDVsx | rabbitear, are you on drugs ? :D |
| 12:32.59 | rabbitear | but the action shouldn't be thought about unless there is comment on the 'action' |
| 12:33.10 | rabbitear | no VDVsx stop that |
| 12:33.29 | VDVsx | I'm lost |
| 12:33.58 | rabbitear | VDVsx: I'm commenting on what your saying |
| 12:34.15 | rabbitear | VDVsx: your commenting on what happening no |
| 12:34.33 | javispedro | clutter/eglx/clutter-stage-egl.c: Changed depth to 24 bits. O.o |
| 12:34.42 | Stskeeps | javispedro: where did you see that? |
| 12:34.44 | VDVsx | rabbitear, I'm commenting about a project manager tool for small community projects :D |
| 12:34.48 | javispedro | Stskeeps: maemo clutter |
| 12:34.52 | javispedro | pr1.1 |
| 12:35.15 | rabbitear | VDVsx: how would you know? |
| 12:35.19 | Stskeeps | javispedro: they did RGBA in the past |
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| 12:36.20 | rabbitear | well this community got some fixing to do |
| 12:36.32 | rabbitear | things like VDVsx |
| 12:36.39 | rabbitear | saying what he mean |
| 12:36.52 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, probably the leaders will be more like moderators, since the projects should be organized by the team working on them |
| 12:37.15 | javispedro | Stskeeps: ah, well. |
| 12:37.17 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 12:37.17 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: :nod: like removing trash projects etc |
| 12:37.28 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, exactly |
| 12:37.35 | javispedro | morning RST |
| 12:37.36 | *** mode/#maemo [+o VDVsx] by ChanServ |
| 12:38.00 | VDVsx | RST38h, morning :) |
| 12:38.45 | RST38h | moos at VDVsx evilly |
| 12:38.52 | rabbitear | see you laters |
| 12:38.59 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: and the usual user management stuff, if someone just jumps at any project they see fit but never contributes |
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| 12:39.32 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, are you familiar with basecamp ? (proprietary but damn simple) |
| 12:39.42 | rabbitear | thats a true rule |
| 12:40.06 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah i am |
| 12:40.32 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: a community is sometimes inverted though, a lot of unknowns / people without specific job descriptions |
| 12:40.42 | Stskeeps | but with abilities that could fit possible roles |
| 12:41.16 | rabbitear | and like 10 percent actually fit the roles in real life |
| 12:41.42 | rabbitear | anywayz, its also important to state who you is... |
| 12:41.56 | rabbitear | which I'm just a damn drunk C programmer |
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| 12:42.45 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, true, probably there's no tools for that :p |
| 12:43.25 | rabbitear | there's an iphone app for that VDVsx |
| 12:43.55 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: think we'll start implementing like it for Mer at least.. and see how it goes |
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| 12:45.24 | rabbitear | happy holidays VDVsx |
| 12:45.42 | VDVsx | rabbitear, thanks, same for you:) |
| 12:45.52 | rabbitear | :) |
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| 12:47.22 | range | wazd: See /query |
| 12:48.31 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, Stskeeps, free basecamp alternative: http://www.getrancho.com/ I'm out of the project atm, but jrocha can help if you see any potential in the tool :) |
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| 12:48.42 | VDVsx | double tab :D |
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| 12:48.55 | X-Fade | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.59 | smaug | Does anyone happen to know bug # for the email client slowness? |
| 12:49.05 | smaug | is too lazy to search |
| 12:49.08 | *** mode/#maemo [-o VDVsx] by VDVsx |
| 12:49.16 | wazd | range: what? :) |
| 12:49.32 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: lookin' |
| 12:50.26 | range | wazd: I queried you with an URL to the screenshots. |
| 12:50.38 | *** part/#maemo Guest33601 (n=jburns@c-71-196-247-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 12:50.41 | rabbitear | don't be so hard VDVsx |
| 12:50.57 | range | wazd: http://oerks.de/~ralph/screenshots.zip - if you don't see the query. |
| 12:51.01 | range | Tell me when you have them. |
| 12:51.02 | rabbitear | scaring us, asking for help |
| 12:51.15 | wazd | range: yeah, I have a very strange IRC client, better mail or something :) |
| 12:51.23 | VDVsx | rabbitear, what is your problem ? :D |
| 12:51.25 | range | wazd: Ummm. Tell me where :) |
| 12:51.31 | VDVsx | rabbitear, what I did to you ? |
| 12:51.39 | wazd | range: thx for the link, downloading |
| 12:51.43 | rabbitear | I'm just messing with you VDVsx |
| 12:51.48 | range | wazd: Moment. |
| 12:51.55 | range | I just accidentally removed them :( |
| 12:52.07 | range | wazd: try again. |
| 12:52.15 | VDVsx | rabbitear, please choose another victim :) |
| 12:52.18 | range | I hate screen in screen. |
| 12:52.22 | rabbitear | everybody needs a weirdo to keep them going |
| 12:52.43 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: looks good, but would probably have to be extended to be suitable for a large community |
| 12:53.21 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, it's open source, django(python) |
| 12:54.11 | rabbitear | last thing I worked on was vimfs |
| 12:54.48 | rabbitear | you don't have the voice to say this is mine VDVsx |
| 12:55.22 | wazd | range: thanks a lot, looks very nice, some bugs are there though :) |
| 12:55.34 | rabbitear | my opinion and I go away now.. |
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| 12:56.23 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, h-d bug/enhancement. |
| 12:56.54 | wazd | range: what do you think bout black text inputs btw? |
| 12:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | despairs for some sunlight in Florida. |
| 12:57.28 | range | wazd: I have no problem with those, when they fit into the theme. |
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| 12:58.02 | rabbitear | pukes up a storm |
| 12:58.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Indeed |
| 12:58.24 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: It's a bug cos any application with a long label will suffer the same problem |
| 12:58.43 | Stskeeps | faceplams over the 'exploit' thread |
| 12:58.47 | Jaffa | This is why, no matter how whizzy an interface you can build with Clutter, trying to recreate your own widget set is bound to fail |
| 12:58.53 | Stskeeps | s/faceplams/facepalms/ |
| 12:58.55 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that thread is awesome. |
| 12:59.30 | rabbitear | I don't think the iphone is that cool |
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| 13:00.23 | rabbitear | my mom has one |
| 13:01.13 | rabbitear | and as usual, I think you froget the focus |
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| 13:01.18 | rabbitear | its about yourself |
| 13:01.20 | javispedro | exploit! ohnoes! |
| 13:01.28 | javispedro | the world is going to end! |
| 13:01.34 | rabbitear | not what other poeple do. |
| 13:01.41 | rabbitear | whatever |
| 13:01.42 | javispedro | I propose ROT13 encryption. |
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| 13:01.58 | zash | javispedro: no, thats to weak, use double rot13 |
| 13:01.59 | zash | it |
| 13:02.04 | zash | it's inpenetrable |
| 13:02.45 | rabbitear | allow rabbitear to remind you what for yourself means |
| 13:03.03 | rabbitear | you do things for yourself... you do work for yourself |
| 13:03.11 | rabbitear | for what you like. |
| 13:03.12 | javispedro | ... and this proves why "bug confirmed by popular vote" threshold is too low right now |
| 13:03.17 | wazd | rabbitear: it's ok, you can breath out now |
| 13:03.22 | andre__ | javispedro, hehehe |
| 13:03.24 | javispedro | just appearing on tmo is enough to get the vote count high enough |
| 13:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, pish, ROT26 for twice the encryption powa! |
| 13:03.33 | rabbitear | alirght. |
| 13:03.36 | andre__ | javispedro, feel free to file a ticket pushing it up |
| 13:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | Damn you, zash! |
| 13:03.47 | lcuk | jaffa every framework starts somewhere |
| 13:04.02 | lcuk | if you used that attitude, gtk or qt wouldnt exist either |
| 13:04.11 | zash | GeneralAntilles: ROT13(ROT13(data)) is clearly better than ROT26(data)! |
| 13:04.18 | lcuk | its not bound to fail, it just takes longer than you expect |
| 13:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | zash, clearly. |
| 13:04.21 | Corsac | hmhm, does one know if it's possible to have multiple âsynchronizedâ calendars? |
| 13:04.30 | Jaffa | lcuk: yes, obviously there are exceptions |
| 13:04.35 | rabbitear | as long as I have to read................. |
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| 13:04.51 | rabbitear | isn't that funny you wouldn't have to read, if you did it |
| 13:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro/andre__, actually, I agree. I think we have the usebase that 5 makes more sense. . . . |
| 13:05.07 | GeneralAntilles | will let andre__ change all of the products if we decide to switch. ;) |
| 13:05.13 | andre__ | i'm fine with that. |
| 13:05.39 | frals | wow, that exploit-thread is pretty awesome |
| 13:05.54 | range | Although I think of that as a bug. |
| 13:06.00 | lcuk | frals, link |
| 13:06.04 | GeneralAntilles | feels like Thanking! mass hysteria posts in that thread to drum up more insanity. |
| 13:06.13 | frals | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=479621#post479621 |
| 13:06.32 | GeneralAntilles | We should just use Nokia Messaging to change everybody's IM and email passwords to "rootme" |
| 13:06.34 | javispedro | ... or posting more luc picard images |
| 13:07.06 | rabbitear | I can't take the promise in here, I'm going back to the undernet... |
| 13:07.15 | rabbitear | were life is more relaxed |
| 13:07.50 | niekt0 | hmm, MC si quite strange when using "shell link" to copy files to n900 |
| 13:07.55 | range | rabbitear: You might want to come back sober. |
| 13:07.59 | niekt0 | realy slow |
| 13:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | nokia-n900.com |
| 13:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 13:09.35 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: top categories |
| 13:09.39 | Stskeeps | "N900 VS IPHONE" |
| 13:09.56 | range | GeneralAntilles: I like the one about CTRL-SHIFT-O activating the accelerometer. |
| 13:09.58 | javispedro | first one uploading a patch to the bugreport implementing vigenere with key "pebkac" gets free tmo karma! |
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| 13:11.48 | Untouchab1e | So i have scratchbox and the SDK set up in ubuntu.. and I created a simple HelloWorld app in QtCreator.. I copy the app to scratchbox and try to run the app and it runs fine, but it doesnt use the native Maemo UI |
| 13:11.56 | Untouchab1e | what do I have to do to achieve this? |
| 13:12.40 | alterego | Untouchab1e: the native maemo ui is Gtk currently |
| 13:12.50 | Untouchab1e | I can use Qt though, or? |
| 13:13.06 | alterego | Well, you are using Qt |
| 13:13.19 | cosmo | alterego: the Qt widgets are "hildonized" |
| 13:13.28 | alterego | Dui? |
| 13:13.32 | Untouchab1e | Right.. but what do I have to do? |
| 13:13.34 | alterego | I forgot what they're doing. |
| 13:13.39 | javispedro | Untouchab1e: do you use "run-standalone.sh" ? |
| 13:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: [2010-01-18 14:10:02] <PaulFertser> Hey guys. Might come useful for channel ops: /trigger -pubctcps -debug -regexp '^VERSION' -command '/mode $C +R; /wait 60000; /mode $C -R' |
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| 13:13.58 | Untouchab1e | javispedro: when? I just copy it and do ./helloworld |
| 13:13.59 | cosmo | Untouchab1e: they _should_ look native by default |
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| 13:14.08 | javispedro | Untouchab1e: "run-standalone.sh ./helloworld" |
| 13:14.11 | alterego | Oh yeah, run the wrapper script :P |
| 13:14.26 | javispedro | should look a bit better |
| 13:14.30 | frals | lcuk: hows helsinki? :) |
| 13:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: seems to work on #openmoko and *-cdevel |
| 13:14.53 | Untouchab1e | javispedro: thanks, that worked nicely |
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| 13:15.20 | alterego | Untouchab1e: also, maemo integration is handled through DuiApplication and some other classes I believe. |
| 13:15.24 | Untouchab1e | aha |
| 13:15.33 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: that kinda looks like being able to exploit that with just sending a ctcp version to channel |
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| 13:15.36 | Untouchab1e | I will figure out how to fix that when I deploy the app once I get that far.. I havent given much effort into figuring out how to deploy apps in maemo yet.. thought I would finish developing it first |
| 13:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: actually you can |
| 13:16.01 | Untouchab1e | but QtCreator should cover my need for app development, right? |
| 13:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | still better than keeping the chan +R all the time |
| 13:16.15 | javispedro | Untouchab1e: I guess so for most use cases. |
| 13:16.22 | javispedro | s/use/app |
| 13:16.25 | alterego | Untouchab1e: for plain Qt applications, yeah, I think the Dui maemo stuff has some maemo specific things. |
| 13:16.39 | Untouchab1e | alterego: I think I should be covered for now then |
| 13:16.39 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: also it doesn't help against bots that are in channel |
| 13:16.46 | javispedro | btw what does pr1.1 come with? qt4.5 or .6? |
| 13:16.49 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, +r |
| 13:16.50 | Untouchab1e | my app ideas are simple but useful |
| 13:17.08 | SpeedEvil | My app ideas are complex, and useful and unimplemented. |
| 13:17.08 | X-Fade | +r is evil. |
| 13:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: yes. but the current attack is with random bots joining |
| 13:17.24 | *** join/#maemo Dompie (n=Do-m-pie@195-241-24-17.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 13:17.39 | GAN900 | X-Fade, until the botspam stops. . . . |
| 13:17.42 | rabbitear | I mess up evil druing the day |
| 13:17.57 | X-Fade | GAN900: yeah, but that makes it hard for people to join. |
| 13:18.04 | X-Fade | And I think that is even worse than the spam. |
| 13:18.21 | Stskeeps | active ops are more relevant though |
| 13:18.23 | rabbitear | nobody cares |
| 13:18.25 | GAN900 | X-Fade, the spam killed the whole damn channel. |
| 13:18.46 | X-Fade | GAN900: hehe, yeah ok that is bad ;) |
| 13:18.46 | Untouchab1e | Is app deployment as difficult as getting started with it? for Android I just had to upload my .apk to Google and they handled the rest |
| 13:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: the spam makes lots of clients being kicked for flooding while answering the ctcp requests |
| 13:18.47 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/18/verity_stob_app_store/ <-- have fun ;) |
| 13:18.49 | lcuk | frals, lovely |
| 13:18.57 | rabbitear | mind don't care if your good, or evil, just likes to mess you up |
| 13:19.05 | frals | lcuk: :) |
| 13:19.20 | frals | goes back to listening to concurrent programming lecture |
| 13:19.38 | lcuk | frals, cant you listen to it whilst doing other things |
| 13:19.41 | rabbitear | :) |
| 13:20.39 | frals | i can, but my experience tells me one thing or the other tends to get more focus, and more often than not the "listen to lecture" part suffers :P |
| 13:21.16 | lcuk | listens to lecture on "listening to serialized lectures about concurrent programming" |
| 13:21.26 | Stskeeps | frals: record it on n900 and play angry birds! |
| 13:21.32 | frals | lcuk: ;D |
| 13:21.41 | X-Fade | lcuk: Stay away from the doors, please ;) |
| 13:22.10 | rabbitear | I write crap on paper and watch these fools with samsungs try to take notes on the phone |
| 13:22.11 | lcuk | X-Fade, i bloody well did! |
| 13:22.33 | rabbitear | I'm like studying two things at once |
| 13:22.42 | X-Fade | lcuk: Hands on your back all the time :) |
| 13:23.29 | rabbitear | I'm missing 5 hours of class tomorrow |
| 13:23.44 | *** part/#maemo Untouchab1e (n=Untoucha@82.147.51.146) |
| 13:23.44 | rabbitear | and in the first one there is some hot chics |
| 13:23.54 | frals | best instructions "google amdahl's law, i wont explain it" |
| 13:24.37 | rabbitear | cool. |
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| 13:25.03 | rabbitear | why am I using a computer and not the n900? |
| 13:25.38 | rabbitear | because its out of batteries, ya thats it |
| 13:26.46 | Jaffa | is glad he's read to the end of the "Expoit!" thread |
| 13:27.04 | |R | hehe, what a waste of time |
| 13:27.28 | rabbitear | :) |
| 13:27.28 | SpeedEvil | wonders if microb suffers from the same issue as FF |
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| 13:27.38 | Jaffa | Nah, so much fun trolling. It's much more enjoyable than "bah, you're all mailing list-using, IRC-spodding maniacs intent on maintaing your cabal" threads. |
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| 13:28.37 | Shrik3 | "maling list-using" just went to the top of my favourite insults =) |
| 13:29.12 | rabbitear | your lives would be seriously boring with out major trolls |
| 13:29.15 | |R | haha |
| 13:29.22 | rabbitear | so stop hating |
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| 13:30.13 | SpeedEvil | hmm it does. |
| 13:30.22 | rabbitear | I'm old |
| 13:30.37 | SpeedEvil | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505037 |
| 13:30.38 | povbot` | Bug 505037: was not found. |
| 13:30.41 | SpeedEvil | for those that care. |
| 13:30.45 | SpeedEvil | Which is probably none of you. |
| 13:30.51 | SpeedEvil | confuses bots! |
| 13:31.10 | SpeedEvil | Not a serious bug - failing listing dirs with some chars in |
| 13:31.22 | rabbitear | <--- troll and a bot at the same time |
| 13:32.02 | Shrik3 | Still waiting for the damn diablo repos to get up&running |
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| 13:32.24 | Stskeeps | Shrik3: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/ worksforme |
| 13:33.10 | hrw | re |
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| 13:34.23 | rabbitear | re hrw |
| 13:34.32 | rabbitear | like you chat before |
| 13:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, the truth is never very much fun to read, is it? *eg* |
| 13:34.55 | *** part/#maemo rkirti|afk (n=oespirit@203.199.213.3) |
| 13:34.59 | Stskeeps | rabbitear: didn't you say you were leaving before? |
| 13:35.02 | wazd | RST38h: haha |
| 13:35.05 | rabbitear | GeneralAntilles: you wanna bet? |
| 13:35.18 | wazd | RST38h: I think it's possible to make image background in conversations btw :) |
| 13:35.21 | hrw | prepares for creating maemo5/system-upgrades repository |
| 13:35.23 | wazd | RST38h: thru CSS hack |
| 13:35.41 | rabbitear | I plan to say what I said yesterday |
| 13:35.50 | Shrik3 | Stskeeps: I need the certified catalogue=/ |
| 13:36.03 | Shrik3 | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz |
| 13:36.03 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: anethema? |
| 13:36.09 | Stskeeps | Shrik3: hmm |
| 13:36.12 | X-Fade | Shrik3: Working on that. |
| 13:36.12 | Shrik3 | that one, which is still akamai'd |
| 13:36.22 | rabbitear | which is I'm not gonna thank you for nothing about you people making holes in the walls |
| 13:36.22 | Shrik3 | waiting for it =) |
| 13:36.30 | rabbitear | you need to stop that |
| 13:36.45 | Shrik3 | Just got my N810 on friday and I need exactly one package from the certified dist =) |
| 13:36.54 | Stskeeps | Shrik3: agps-ui? :P |
| 13:37.13 | Shrik3 | topomaps-fi |
| 13:37.34 | rabbitear | you have no kinda for-thought of what is gonna happen |
| 13:37.36 | Shrik3 | the primary reason I bought the damn thing =) |
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| 13:37.57 | rabbitear | you just complaints about what you know |
| 13:37.58 | Shrik3 | the cheapest way of getting gps + topographic maps of finland = N810 |
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| 13:38.14 | rabbitear | obviously it is not that much |
| 13:39.21 | rabbitear | opens up the window |
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| 13:40.39 | rabbitear | if there is one thrreat that you have during your mean peroid |
| 13:40.52 | rabbitear | in really is probably me friend. |
| 13:40.56 | rabbitear | good luck . |
| 13:40.59 | rabbitear | being mean |
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| 13:41.49 | aquatix | wonders whether he can make a backup dump of his n810 |
| 13:42.23 | aquatix | so i can try whether a reflash fixes some issues I have, and if not, restore the backup |
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| 13:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, failure on medication? |
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| 13:46.10 | rabbitear | agreed |
| 13:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe a good idea to visit you medical doctor |
| 13:47.27 | rabbitear | DocScrutinizer: are you a doctor yourself? |
| 13:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | no, I'm a doc scrutinizer |
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| 13:48.24 | rabbitear | DocScrutinizer: do you know this is an open conference? |
| 13:48.52 | rabbitear | why do feel like giving me some advice about doctors? |
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| 13:49.40 | rabbitear | DocScrutinizer: is it mean that is gonna have to be the judge of your acting? |
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| 13:50.37 | m3kyd` | hello |
| 13:50.40 | rabbitear | DocScrutinizer: do you know things in your life, or you just saying things to about people? |
| 13:50.52 | rabbitear | DocScrutinizer: recall what you mean |
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| 13:53.36 | rabbitear | hey DocScrutinizer your a dork |
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| 13:54.36 | Stskeeps | adds another person to his ignore list and sighs |
| 13:55.09 | smps | rabbitear, what are you studying ? |
| 13:55.18 | rabbitear | networking |
| 13:55.22 | rabbitear | ccna stuff |
| 13:55.27 | rabbitear | its lame |
| 13:55.43 | smps | rabbitear, just cisco stuff or ? |
| 13:56.10 | rabbitear | well we have to do student things like communicates too smps |
| 13:56.15 | bigbrovar | does any one else experience audio stuttering when listen to music and doing other activities esp connecting to wireless network/ or installing an application. This happens to me everytime and has gotten worse since upgrading to PR1.1 |
| 13:56.23 | rabbitear | englishes and maths |
| 13:56.48 | rabbitear | but done with that... |
| 13:56.59 | range | bigbrovar: Only when the notifier throws out a notification when I got an SMS or a mail in my Inbox. |
| 13:57.03 | rabbitear | nobody is ever done |
| 13:57.17 | rabbitear | but done with them |
| 13:57.17 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: i.e. in German you'll never get a short label :) |
| 13:57.20 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Oh? |
| 13:57.22 | rabbitear | thank god |
| 13:57.36 | range | I'm not seeing it during updates, really. |
| 13:57.42 | smps | rabbitear, good for you |
| 13:57.51 | rabbitear | thx smps |
| 13:58.23 | rabbitear | I'm pretty poor smps |
| 13:58.36 | smps | rabbitear, go work something |
| 13:58.40 | rabbitear | anchorage, alaska |
| 13:58.42 | smps | rabbitear, get yourself a job |
| 13:58.48 | rabbitear | :) |
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| 13:58.56 | rabbitear | I'll be cool |
| 13:59.32 | rabbitear | smps: I do this |
| 13:59.40 | smps | what ? |
| 13:59.45 | rabbitear | myself |
| 13:59.58 | smps | you do any drugs ? |
| 13:59.58 | bigbrovar | range: I get it everytime am connecting to a wifi network or installing an application using the app man or sometimes.. its becoming really unbearable :( |
| 14:00.03 | rabbitear | I have mind of lust for everybody else |
| 14:00.08 | rabbitear | I kid |
| 14:00.21 | smps | bigbrovar, are you listening to online radio / stream ? |
| 14:00.28 | X-Fade | Jaffa, Stskeeps: There seems to be a new devkit in the works. We might have chance to see it in PR1.2 timeframe even. |
| 14:00.49 | rabbitear | well we do whatever |
| 14:00.49 | range | bigbrovar: Hmmm. |
| 14:00.50 | bigbrovar | smps: music stored on the 32gb harddrive |
| 14:01.07 | rabbitear | I'm kinda weird smps |
| 14:01.15 | rabbitear | we don't like you |
| 14:01.22 | rabbitear | if you have cash. |
| 14:01.24 | smps | rabbitear, stop smoking |
| 14:01.30 | rabbitear | I should |
| 14:01.33 | range | Do tell. Can you be weird somewhere else? Far away from here? |
| 14:01.40 | rabbitear | I have to before. |
| 14:01.50 | smps | bigbrovar, can you check if any process hogs your cpu ? |
| 14:01.53 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: scary, but i guess there's some people who still knows how SB1 works inside nokia |
| 14:01.58 | smps | bigbrovar, with conky or top in xterm ? |
| 14:02.06 | rabbitear | I love all smps |
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| 14:02.07 | bigbrovar | range: I can always reproduce it.. happens everytime, with the media player and even panucci the audiobook-podcast player ( which is actually worse) |
| 14:02.14 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Hehe ;) |
| 14:02.20 | rabbitear | :) |
| 14:02.26 | Stskeeps | morning andrew |
| 14:02.30 | rabbitear | brb... back onto where people need me |
| 14:02.44 | SpeedEvil | The compression options on jffs have changed - which may impact CPU usage when writing files to / |
| 14:02.52 | bigbrovar | smps: ok I will do that |
| 14:03.06 | SpeedEvil | in pr1.1 that is |
| 14:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: changed? when? pr1.1 |
| 14:03.31 | SpeedEvil | or maybe 1.01 |
| 14:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 14:03.36 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/01/18/system-updates-repository-for-maemo5/ |
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| 14:04.08 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool stuff |
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| 14:04.36 | hrw | X-Fade: so few packages will get upgrades in sbox? |
| 14:04.36 | rmrfchik | after connecting to desktop by usbnet, all cards unmounts |
| 14:04.55 | rmrfchik | have to remount manually.. annoying |
| 14:05.02 | X-Fade | hrw: I am only the messenger ;) |
| 14:05.07 | hrw | X-Fade: mkey |
| 14:05.21 | X-Fade | hrw: But devkits change all the time. |
| 14:05.21 | Stskeeps | hrw: first ogg support now updates to devkit, hell must be freezing over |
| 14:05.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:05.24 | hrw | X-Fade: the bigger fuckup is that sbox devkits are not upgradable |
| 14:05.39 | Stskeeps | hrw: they're not? they're just debian packages |
| 14:06.05 | javispedro | RST38h: new vu's eye in -devel |
| 14:06.20 | hrw | Stskeeps: 'ogg support' in harmattan. this can sound like 'in 2020 when no one will ever use ogg etc' |
| 14:06.59 | hrw | maemo@maemo-desktop:/scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib$ dpkg -S /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib/libattr.so.1 |
| 14:07.02 | hrw | dpkg: /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib/libattr.so.1 not found. |
| 14:07.13 | RST38h | javispedro: =) |
| 14:07.17 | RST38h | Installing |
| 14:07.32 | Stskeeps | hrw: that's part of the target and not devkit though |
| 14:07.36 | Stskeeps | as in, rootstrap |
| 14:07.41 | Stskeeps | they are overriden with sb dpkg |
| 14:07.54 | hrw | dpkg: /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL not found. |
| 14:08.07 | RST38h | hrw: I agree on the system updates repo |
| 14:08.08 | Stskeeps | hrw: dpkg -S libattr.so.1 would be more fair |
| 14:08.15 | RST38h | hrw: Should have done this long time ago, too |
| 14:08.27 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, any changes to theme template? |
| 14:08.34 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: yes, optification and hilight fight |
| 14:08.35 | Stskeeps | fix |
| 14:08.58 | X-Fade | http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/binary-i386/ |
| 14:09.05 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, nice highlight was last bug I had |
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| 14:09.06 | X-Fade | devkits get release separately from sdk. |
| 14:09.13 | hrw | Stskeeps: ok, my sbox VM (which is official maemo5 vm) has scratchbox-devkit-debian and scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 installed |
| 14:09.32 | X-Fade | So new versions show up there first. |
| 14:09.33 | TTilus | after latest system upgrade my ui effects have been really jerky and jumpy |
| 14:09.34 | Stskeeps | hrw: anyway, back to blog post, if you need to make your own SSU you need to make it trusted by HAM (there's a command for that) |
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| 14:09.36 | hrw | maemo3... was it chinook or previous one? |
| 14:09.44 | TTilus | reboot did not help |
| 14:09.45 | javispedro | $ dpkg -S /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dh_make |
| 14:09.45 | javispedro | scratchbox-devkit-debian: /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dh_make |
| 14:09.58 | Stskeeps | TTilus: probably rescanning your media |
| 14:10.10 | TTilus | Stskeeps: top shows nothing |
| 14:10.16 | hrw | Stskeeps: ssu? trusted? I just plan to make it available for people. so far installing modest worked with dpkg for me |
| 14:10.22 | TTilus | and this has been going on for days now |
| 14:10.31 | bigbrovar | smps: top showed 65% of cpu was in use and major culprit was pulse-audio, so I closed panucci audio player which was running in the background all this while and the cpu dropped to considerably, and the stuttering of the media player stopped whem am playing music. however I still get stuttering if am installing an app from the application manager |
| 14:10.31 | Stskeeps | hrw: fair enough |
| 14:11.03 | hrw | http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/scratchbox-devkit-debian-squeeze_1.0_i386.deb sounds nice |
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| 14:11.15 | hrw | -> food |
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| 14:11.19 | smps | bigbrovar, check your ram and swap usage |
| 14:11.31 | javispedro | hrw: those devkits only contain parts of debhelper |
| 14:11.36 | smps | bigbrovar, reboot your n900 and try only with media player without panucci |
| 14:11.51 | SpeedEvil | bigbrovar: top can be misleading. audio playing may be for example running at 50% of CPU - but at 250MHz |
| 14:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | suggests making load applet a mandatory bit od default install |
| 14:12.56 | RST38h | Not until it is fixed |
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| 14:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | fixed? wrt cpu clock to take into account? |
| 14:13.45 | javispedro | I do not run the load applet -- it is like the cpu temp sensors |
| 14:13.57 | lopz | hola |
| 14:13.58 | bigbrovar | smps: closing panucci seems to stop the media stutter when I connect to a network. but I still get the stutter when installing applications right now am restarting the device to see if same thing would happen |
| 14:13.59 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, I did noticed that on last build I did media player icons and colors didn´t match the template I put in there. |
| 14:14.20 | Arkenoi | i guess there is no way to send class 0 sms from n900? |
| 14:14.31 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: hmm, don't know |
| 14:14.38 | rabbitear | Arkenoi: nobody cares |
| 14:14.54 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: it will automatically dither i think |
| 14:15.04 | rabbitear | Arkenoi: you are actually gonna have to talk to your ISP for that |
| 14:15.08 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: It can be useful. |
| 14:15.23 | rabbitear | Arkenoi: you'll be okay |
| 14:15.24 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: either way, wazd succeeded in making a proper theme with newest template |
| 14:16.09 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, ok testing it now |
| 14:16.14 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: but we need to figure out what to do about let's say bugtracker in debian/control and icon for the package |
| 14:16.28 | Stskeeps | if we can make that simpler |
| 14:16.58 | AndrewFBlack | is that stuff we can add to script to put in |
| 14:16.59 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Imagemagick cut a part out of the template and resize? :) |
| 14:17.14 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: maybe |
| 14:17.59 | Arkenoi | rabbitear, why ISP? |
| 14:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | maybe a basic signal for loads >3% should be integrated into bat applet |
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| 14:19.15 | rabbitear | Arkenoi: no reason its just a saying |
| 14:19.26 | rabbitear | Arkenoi: they don't know what they are talking about |
| 14:19.51 | rabbitear | so its like when I'm drunk I yell at the bar, INSTALL LINUX |
| 14:20.28 | rabbitear | even if I'm getting arrested and beat up, I'm still saying INSTALL LINUX |
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| 14:20.54 | rabbitear | I have love |
| 14:21.08 | range | Isn't there some op in here to stop that inane babbling? |
| 14:21.49 | jebba | X-Fade: can you set up an rsync server on the repositories so others can easily and properly mirror them? |
| 14:21.50 | rabbitear | you mean a cop range ? |
| 14:22.47 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: I prefer cpumem-applet |
| 14:22.52 | rabbitear | I use it in school. |
| 14:22.55 | X-Fade | jebba: Not at the moment. There are lots of things to consider when doing that, it isn't easy. |
| 14:23.07 | *** part/#maemo Cy8aer (n=Cy8aer@62.157.192.144) |
| 14:23.08 | rabbitear | I use in at parties |
| 14:23.21 | rabbitear | I use it when we are eating |
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| 14:23.39 | rabbitear | I use it in interviews |
| 14:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: me too |
| 14:23.51 | Caesium | it's not often I exercise my ignore list :/ |
| 14:24.09 | rabbitear | I use it to put crap in ppls mind that don't know |
| 14:24.42 | jebba | X-Fade: what needs to be considered? |
| 14:24.57 | X-Fade | rabbitear: Please, try to keep the chatter a minimum. |
| 14:25.11 | rabbitear | k X-Fade |
| 14:25.15 | javispedro | jebba: i still believe that we need signed repos first. Also, now we have a whole set of people that have your repo in sources.list for no reason; any future mirror needs to keep "repository.maemo.org" url. |
| 14:25.18 | rabbitear | install linux |
| 14:25.40 | X-Fade | jebba: Updating from a different repo won't work |
| 14:25.41 | javispedro | and ensure that dns uptime is "good enough", of course. |
| 14:25.53 | X-Fade | jebba: It will complain about all kinds of things. |
| 14:26.31 | jebba | X-Fade: well, they dont have to be official parts of the infrastructure, just make it easy for people to grab. |
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| 14:27.02 | rabbitear | no |
| 14:27.14 | rabbitear | I'm management |
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| 14:27.25 | rabbitear | I'm gonna say what to do |
| 14:27.46 | rabbitear | even if I have zip ties on my hands |
| 14:27.47 | jebba | javispedro: what do you mean by "keep the repository.maemo.org" URL. You mean use that hostname? |
| 14:27.51 | X-Fade | jebba: But the problem we had was a problem on top of a problem. |
| 14:28.03 | rabbitear | I'm yelling, install linux! |
| 14:28.21 | javispedro | jebba: keep the same repository url, by doing balancing at dns level -- like debian. |
| 14:28.41 | jebba | javispedro: ya, that's one way, but that would have failed this weekend, for example (since no DNS!) |
| 14:28.42 | X-Fade | javispedro: It does that with Akamai. |
| 14:29.10 | jebba | it does that with espejo too heh (but cheap version) |
| 14:29.18 | rabbitear | make people happy |
| 14:29.20 | javispedro | the alternative, just giving extra repo urls to users, is awful IMHO |
| 14:29.39 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: the problem was the repository.* DNS messing up and hence akamai didn't work along with stage.* going down? |
| 14:30.01 | jebba | javispedro: how would you have done it? What you suggested above would have meant everyone was broken all weekend. |
| 14:30.14 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: No, we pointed to the wrong origin. So we ended up serving every requests ourselves. |
| 14:30.23 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: ah. |
| 14:30.31 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Which worked fine, but then there was the SAN issue. |
| 14:30.38 | javispedro | jebba: well I had to fsck off for the entire weekend since I want to reflash and tablets-dev was down, so you're asking the wrong persons >:) |
| 14:30.52 | javispedro | s/persons/person |
| 14:31.00 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: sounds like a bad weekend indeed |
| 14:31.03 | bigbrovar | smps: rebooting seems to fix the stuttering problems.. really weird :/ |
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| 14:31.18 | jebba | javispedro: so since you weren't around you can't answer? That makes no sense. You didnt have to actually be here. |
| 14:31.32 | javispedro | jebba: I mean that I would have told people to wait. |
| 14:31.37 | smps | bigbrovar, it can be that panucci app has some sort of mem leak , an kernel keeps swaping most of the time |
| 14:31.40 | jebba | javispedro: lame |
| 14:31.49 | javispedro | jebba: this is not something that is expected to happen many times a year |
| 14:31.53 | jebba | haha |
| 14:31.54 | smps | bigbrovar, which results in "stuttering" or bigger i/o's |
| 14:32.04 | jebba | it's been true every day i've had my n900 (some sort of outage) |
| 14:32.09 | javispedro | jebba: I know the irony of the situation, but still. |
| 14:32.10 | Caesium | javispedro: that makes it ok to have no redundancy? :) |
| 14:32.13 | jebba | it should happen *zero* times.... |
| 14:32.20 | rabbitear | if I was ever in a postion to flight you people, you'd be laughing your ass off |
| 14:32.21 | jebba | what's the irony? |
| 14:32.28 | rabbitear | I mean what I say. |
| 14:32.59 | javispedro | that the entire "not cheap" akamai load balancing "that is supposedly better than what you have in espejo" was unusable for whatever reason |
| 14:33.18 | bigbrovar | smps: could very well me, I might have to test it to be sure and try to file a bug against the app. It its been running pulsed since like 5 hours now so it must have eat up so much mem.. thanks very much for the help btw |
| 14:33.42 | smps | bigbrovar, no prob |
| 14:34.55 | X-Fade | javispedro: Yes, because it wasn't used. Which was problem 1 ;) |
| 14:35.24 | rabbitear | lets order some nochas |
| 14:35.31 | jebba | we should have mirrors with UK Mirror service, ibiblio, mirrors.kernel.org etc. Then people can at least get the files. They will mirror *for free*. Just set up a rsync server for them to hit. |
| 14:36.09 | El_Angelo | were temporarily down? |
| 14:36.14 | El_Angelo | "were" ? |
| 14:36.17 | El_Angelo | it's solved? |
| 14:36.23 | Stskeeps | jebba: this is only trivial for extras{-devel,-testing} though |
| 14:36.25 | smps | El_Angelo, yes |
| 14:36.31 | jebba | El_Angelo: permanently down, temporarily up is more like it. |
| 14:36.32 | El_Angelo | \o/ |
| 14:36.56 | lcuk | X-Fade, arms firmly in pockets during entry today |
| 14:37.05 | X-Fade | lcuk: Good! |
| 14:37.20 | jebba | Stskeeps: and sdk, tools, etc. Ya, just the repo i'm talking about. |
| 14:37.21 | lcuk | its leaving that will give me problems :D |
| 14:37.41 | Stskeeps | jebba: for the 'free' part, yes |
| 14:37.53 | jebba | yes |
| 14:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | yea tha annoying policy |
| 14:38.07 | Stskeeps | which you illustrated yourself isn't enough :P |
| 14:39.01 | range | jebba: But then you need a means to a) either have several ip addresses in DNS for a round-robin type of service or b) a possibility to give out a mirrorlist of some sort. |
| 14:39.17 | jebba | Stskeeps: it isnt ideal, since there is so much key non-free software needed in maemo. But it surely is a plus, as we can see by how many people used the quickly slapped together mirrors |
| 14:39.32 | range | Or tell people to change the catalogue settings, which isn't ideal either ... |
| 14:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | range: for b) see topic |
| 14:39.38 | jebba | range: ya, have a page listing mirrors. |
| 14:39.56 | jebba | like 100s of other distros . |
| 14:40.02 | X-Fade | Well, that will end in maemo6 anyway. |
| 14:40.04 | Stskeeps | jebba: the third issue is that i (think) extras repo is enabled in pr1.1 |
| 14:40.09 | range | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, that doesn't work. |
| 14:40.19 | rabbitear | jebba: you love the books don't you |
| 14:40.24 | X-Fade | As installing from another source will have all kinds of different meanings. |
| 14:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | sure, I know |
| 14:40.37 | RST38h | The co-founder of MySQL is hoping to convince Chinese and Russian regulators to halt Oracles planned buyout of Sun Microsystems, after grumbling that European watchdogs looked set to clear the takeover. |
| 14:40.40 | jebba | Stskeeps: yes, it is enabled in pr1.1. But that doesn't mean people can't se mirrors. |
| 14:40.43 | RST38h | Desperate. |
| 14:40.51 | rabbitear | . |
| 14:41.58 | rabbitear | you have whole books of dns servers... |
| 14:42.06 | rabbitear | I wanna read those |
| 14:42.10 | javispedro | jebba: it still means that now you have a shitload of people that have both repos enabled |
| 14:42.47 | RST38h | Anyone knows if Messaging plugins v.2.6.4 are ok to install? |
| 14:42.51 | rabbitear | throws up in the corner |
| 14:43.00 | javispedro | not to mention the issues this can cause with h-a-m's "trusted-domains" concept |
| 14:43.04 | Stskeeps | rabbitear: will you please be constructive or leave? |
| 14:43.13 | Stskeeps | javispedro: domains are on GPG key |
| 14:43.14 | rabbitear | I'll come back when there are smart people here |
| 14:43.48 | javispedro | Stskeeps: ah, so they all go into the "unsigned" bah |
| 14:43.51 | javispedro | s/bah/bag |
| 14:44.05 | Stskeeps | javispedro: nah, if you copy gpg files too, it doesn't become unsigned |
| 14:44.08 | Stskeeps | just a diff host |
| 14:44.19 | X-Fade | javispedro: And then they are not available for update. |
| 14:44.23 | jebba | javispedro: ok, i guess we'll just sit around and use crap then, eh? |
| 14:45.07 | rabbitear | your not a workable person jebba |
| 14:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: /ignore failed? :-) |
| 14:45.49 | javispedro | jebba: it just means that you may actually be causing a lot of trouble to novice users for just a weekend of repos |
| 14:46.11 | javispedro | it shouldn't be taken lightly |
| 14:46.23 | range | DocScrutinizer: I fail to see why > 500 people should ignore one loonie, when a ban will remove that one? |
| 14:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | range: k |
| 14:46.48 | RST38h | Well, there is always an alternative method of removing loonies |
| 14:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | Im not oped here ;-) |
| 14:47.05 | RST38h | rabbitear: So, what are you wearing, kiddo? |
| 14:47.06 | rabbitear | DocScrutinizer: relax |
| 14:47.16 | rabbitear | lol |
| 14:47.19 | kamui | *yawn* sauce |
| 14:47.22 | range | RST38h: Yeah, but that is forbidden in most countries. |
| 14:47.26 | *** join/#maemo timeless_mbp (n=timeless@192.100.124.156) |
| 14:47.30 | Stskeeps | jebba: we can all agree that this messup and when akamai is acting up is bad. but it is comparable to DNS fuckups at debian.org and vanishing mirrors/misbehaving mirrors. the situation is complex cos 1) SDK is placed on r.m.o 2) nokia-binaries is placed on r.m.o 3) in case of other mirrors they need to be professional or get pulled out of the pool. unsynchronized repos are a -nightmare- in both scenarios |
| 14:47.33 | tybollt | hmm |
| 14:47.38 | tybollt | haze/msn users? |
| 14:47.38 | rabbitear | RST38h: some jeans, a back coller... |
| 14:47.49 | RST38h | range: Only if it is used for sexual gratification |
| 14:47.49 | rabbitear | and a hoodie |
| 14:47.53 | Stskeeps | and hence akamai was used as they promise a SLA and we have a phone number for someone to call 24/7 there |
| 14:48.01 | rabbitear | no no no RST38h |
| 14:48.01 | RST38h | rabbitear: Feeling lonely today, ain't you? |
| 14:48.13 | rabbitear | RST38h: I ain't |
| 14:48.24 | RST38h | rabbitear: Wanna talk about it though? |
| 14:48.27 | rabbitear | RST38h: you doing the wrong mind set |
| 14:48.29 | jebba | Stskeeps: apparently the problem *wasnt* akamai, from what GAN said. Also, at least one problem was clearly something at nokia, since DNS was hosed too. |
| 14:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | range: If you like to suggest to GeneralAntilles to remove that burden from our ignorelists, I'll sure support that |
| 14:48.46 | rabbitear | yeah thats cool RST38h |
| 14:48.50 | Stskeeps | jebba: right, akamai has had issues in the past. in this case, it was a DNS screwup, which happens to the best of us. |
| 14:48.53 | *** join/#maemo uhsf (n=uhsf@modemcable228.151-57-74.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 14:49.04 | jebba | Stskeeps: no it doesn't. Not for that long. |
| 14:49.06 | tybollt | heh ye |
| 14:49.08 | RST38h | rabbitear: Soooo, let us start with that raBBIT, SHOULD WE |
| 14:49.21 | hrw | X-Fade: can someone update git frontend on git.maemo.org to give urls for cloning? |
| 14:49.25 | jebba | dns screwups are for minutes, not days. |
| 14:49.25 | smps | is no one working @nokia over weekend ? |
| 14:49.37 | RST38h | rabbitear: How come you took this nick? Got something about those rabbits? |
| 14:49.38 | rabbitear | you can't parse me RST38h |
| 14:49.42 | ptl | repository.maemo.org is back, right? |
| 14:49.44 | ptl | hi |
| 14:49.50 | smps | ptl, yes |
| 14:49.50 | tybollt | jebba: given the right amount of propagated TTL it can >:) |
| 14:49.51 | Stskeeps | jebba: either way, this problem wouldn't have been avoided we had repository.maemo.org being a pool of mirrors |
| 14:49.52 | ptl | but I can't watch flash yet, what package should I install? |
| 14:49.53 | RST38h | Parsing you will not be necessary |
| 14:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | right |
| 14:49.58 | rabbitear | Im happy your here tho RST38h |
| 14:50.06 | *** join/#maemo Erod (n=Juno@unaffiliated/erod) |
| 14:50.08 | RST38h | rabbitear: Yea but let us talk rabbits |
| 14:50.09 | ptl | I tried apt-cache search flash and there's only kmplayer |
| 14:50.09 | jebba | Stskeeps: which isn't what i was suggesting. |
| 14:50.16 | jebba | that's what javispedro was suggesting. |
| 14:50.24 | ptl | I can get to youtube but it says I don't have java installed |
| 14:50.29 | rabbitear | RST38h: I don't mean that much |
| 14:50.30 | tybollt | RST38h: What kind of rabbit? The pink vibrating kind? :P |
| 14:50.31 | RST38h | rabbitear: Please do not be shy, talk about rabbits. All of us are waiting! |
| 14:50.35 | jebba | actually, all i'm suggesting is a fkn rsync daemon so people can grab it easily at least. |
| 14:50.43 | RST38h | tybollt: I hope we will find out in a moment |
| 14:50.43 | ptl | please help this poor soul! |
| 14:50.45 | smps | ptl, what does java have to do with flash ? |
| 14:51.08 | rabbitear | RST38h: good morning |
| 14:51.09 | ptl | smps: java? did ? say java? I'm kinda sleepy |
| 14:51.09 | Stskeeps | jebba: then there's the issue of doing http://dk.repository.maemo.org which i may agree with. but there's the problem of trusting mirror maintainers to provide service constantly which isn't a trivial process :/ |
| 14:51.14 | ptl | oh |
| 14:51.16 | ptl | I said java |
| 14:51.17 | smps | ptl, yeah you did |
| 14:51.19 | ptl | I AM sleepy |
| 14:51.20 | ptl | sorry |
| 14:51.23 | ptl | I am nuts |
| 14:51.25 | ptl | I mean flash! |
| 14:51.27 | RST38h | rabbitear: You already greeted me. Please, keep on rabbits. |
| 14:51.38 | tybollt | RST38h: :D |
| 14:51.40 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: And trust them to not change anything. |
| 14:51.50 | rabbitear | RST38h: well my mom is looking on here too |
| 14:51.50 | matthew- | hey |
| 14:51.52 | smps | ptl, you should have flash preinstalled with phone |
| 14:51.57 | RST38h | rabbitear: So, rabbit ears...What do you do with rabbit ears? |
| 14:51.59 | ptl | I've been awake for what must be about 60 hours now |
| 14:51.59 | rabbitear | RST38h: she'll be cool |
| 14:52.00 | matthew- | are repos up again? |
| 14:52.06 | ptl | smps: it's maemo scratchbox |
| 14:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:52.08 | RST38h | Aha, very good |
| 14:52.11 | rabbitear | RST38h: she's into math |
| 14:52.17 | rabbitear | RST38h: a weirdo |
| 14:52.19 | ptl | had to install nokia-apps and nokia-bin |
| 14:52.24 | ptl | but still no flash |
| 14:52.24 | ptl | :( |
| 14:52.24 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer: they are? |
| 14:52.26 | RST38h | rabbitear: Will she be willing to talk about rabbits? |
| 14:52.38 | smps | ptl, go in browser and open "about:plugins" |
| 14:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | matthew-: supposed to be up, yes |
| 14:52.42 | ptl | ok |
| 14:52.45 | ptl | I googled all my way down the forums and FAQs |
| 14:52.46 | smps | ptl, and look if shockwave flash is there |
| 14:52.47 | rabbitear | RST38h: what do you think? |
| 14:52.47 | ptl | couldn't find it |
| 14:53.09 | ptl | only the default plugin |
| 14:53.10 | RST38h | rabbitear: I think you have been naughty, bugging people you do not know about problems they are not responsible for |
| 14:53.17 | rabbitear | your suppose make a judgement RST38h |
| 14:53.17 | jebba | Stskeeps: lets just start with a freaking rsync server so people can get copies, since doing a full mirroring system isnt likely to happen. |
| 14:53.19 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer: did the url change? |
| 14:53.25 | ptl | this 'osso' browser has an ugly name, 'osso' means 'bone' in portuguese |
| 14:53.27 | RST38h | rabbitear: But your mom does not need to know about that, right? We won't tell |
| 14:53.27 | jebba | that way at least other people have copies... |
| 14:53.27 | rabbitear | your not actually doing one RST38h |
| 14:53.38 | jebba | since who knows if nokia/maemo have good backups! for that matter... |
| 14:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | matthew-: no idea. why should it? |
| 14:53.58 | *** join/#maemo matt_c (n=mcroydon@gateway.sunflowerbroadband.com) |
| 14:53.58 | RST38h | Rabbits, rabbitear, rabbits, KEEP ON THE RABBITS |
| 14:54.03 | rabbitear | RST38h: what do you mean my mom does not need to know about that? |
| 14:54.10 | tybollt | actually |
| 14:54.15 | matthew- | cause maemo.org and extras aint workin |
| 14:54.15 | matthew- | [A[Bdfdo |
| 14:54.16 | Stskeeps | jebba: make a sprint item / task and get it moving that way then |
| 14:54.24 | tybollt | I'd like to taste me a proper rabbit stew one day. Anyone had that |
| 14:54.25 | tybollt | ? |
| 14:54.35 | RST38h | tybollt: Yea. Overrated. |
| 14:54.37 | rabbitear | RST38h: what kinda talk is that RST38h ? |
| 14:54.42 | tybollt | RST38h: ah ok... |
| 14:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how to extent /ignore to regex :-((( |
| 14:54.46 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer: cause it doesnt work foe nearly a week for me now |
| 14:54.48 | RST38h | tybollt: But makes a perfect dish to bring to US workplace |
| 14:54.50 | jebba | Stskeeps: i can make sprint items? heh. |
| 14:54.59 | ptl | so, how do I install flash?? |
| 14:55.07 | rabbitear | you can relax RST38h |
| 14:55.07 | tybollt | RST38h: entirely politically incorrect - no? |
| 14:55.10 | RST38h | tybollt: Half the office will throw up once they find out who is for lunch |
| 14:55.14 | tybollt | :-D |
| 14:55.28 | tybollt | "poor bunneh!" |
| 14:55.34 | alterego | ... "Tom Swindell Nokia N900 arriving tomorrow, I've not updated my facebook status in almost half a year in anticipation of this monumental moment. Woo ..." ... |
| 14:55.37 | RST38h | tybollt: yea, more or less |
| 14:55.40 | matthew- | i mean extras and maemo.org are not working... |
| 14:55.47 | rabbitear | RST38h: I'd hate that job |
| 14:55.50 | Stskeeps | jebba: yes, of course |
| 14:56.04 | X-Fade | matthew-: Then the problem must be at your end. |
| 14:56.17 | rabbitear | RST38h: your gonna need that help from females after awhile RST38h |
| 14:56.32 | ptl | please, someone using maemo's scratchbox, do a dpkg -S on your libflashplayer.so, could ya? |
| 14:56.38 | matthew- | X-Fade: are they working for you? |
| 14:56.48 | X-Fade | matthew-: For all of us, yes. |
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| 14:56.53 | rabbitear | RST38h: I don't need no help from females |
| 14:56.58 | javispedro | ptl: why do you think sbox comes with flash? |
| 14:56.59 | rabbitear | RST38h: what I do. |
| 14:57.03 | matthew- | damn |
| 14:57.29 | rabbitear | *hugs* RST38h |
| 14:57.29 | matthew- | ive got = could not resolve repository.maemo.org |
| 14:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | matthew-: check your catalog settings |
| 14:57.39 | rabbitear | relax mr. man RST38h |
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| 14:57.48 | julianol1ver | i see that 51-1 is out. when i attempt to upgrade from 44-1 i am told i need to use the PC suite. how does a Linux user upgrade? |
| 14:57.48 | ifreq | whats good music player instead of the default one? |
| 14:57.51 | X-Fade | matthew-: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org |
| 14:58.02 | rabbitear | mplayer ifreq |
| 14:58.07 | smps | ptl, adobe-flashplayer |
| 14:58.07 | tybollt | julianol1ver: OTA |
| 14:58.09 | RST38h | rabbitear: You really want to know what to do kiddo? |
| 14:58.19 | ifreq | rabbit. for mp3 :0 |
| 14:58.21 | rabbitear | RST38h: :) |
| 14:58.45 | rabbitear | no its too illegal don't worry about it |
| 14:58.51 | matthew- | X-Fade: yeah, got it |
| 14:58.52 | hrw | julianol1ver: we just ignore what it says and upgrade |
| 14:58.55 | ptl | javispedro: doesn't it? |
| 14:58.57 | matthew- | but i wonder why |
| 14:59.03 | rabbitear | its not free software |
| 14:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | damn. /ignore doesn't make it less annoying |
| 14:59.10 | RST38h | rabbitear: Ok, I am glad you guessed it right |
| 14:59.19 | ptl | smps: hmm, apt-cache policy adobe-flashplayer |
| 14:59.20 | RST38h | And did what was right |
| 14:59.24 | RST38h | grins evilly |
| 14:59.27 | ptl | smps: which repository does it come from? |
| 14:59.33 | julianol1ver | hrw: ahh.. so it is possible to use the Application Manager regardless? |
| 14:59.37 | rabbitear | RST38h: I'm a sick person |
| 14:59.40 | matthew- | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ |
| 14:59.47 | matthew- | doesnt work for me |
| 15:00.01 | X-Fade | matthew-: flush your dns cache? |
| 15:00.05 | rabbitear | RST38h: I been on shell accounts when I was a kid on irc |
| 15:00.05 | smps | ptl, downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 15:00.08 | matthew- | it works in a browser |
| 15:00.13 | javispedro | ptl: I believe not |
| 15:00.20 | rabbitear | RST38h: I'm not right in the mind |
| 15:00.21 | julianol1ver | tybollt: i'm not familiar with that acronymn. |
| 15:00.26 | RST38h | Hmm... I am afraid he has not exactly got it |
| 15:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | matthew-: check your catalog settings |
| 15:00.43 | ptl | hm |
| 15:00.46 | ptl | ok, thanks |
| 15:01.05 | hrw | julianol1ver: yes |
| 15:01.13 | julianol1ver | tries this |
| 15:01.14 | rabbitear | I know things that you people would actually puke and have the bad runs at |
| 15:01.14 | tybollt | julianol1ver: OverTheAir. |
| 15:01.23 | julianol1ver | cheers |
| 15:01.33 | tybollt | no |
| 15:01.36 | rabbitear | talking about even something as little as software is |
| 15:01.38 | tybollt | do not try OTA julian |
| 15:01.53 | tybollt | the repo's seem to be down, that means it will fail for you :) |
| 15:02.00 | rabbitear | I was a kid before slashdot was a kid |
| 15:02.02 | hrw | julianol1ver: you need ~45MB free on / it was said |
| 15:02.09 | julianol1ver | tybollt: ahah. i will wait. |
| 15:02.12 | Jaffa | julianol1ver: And no packages which conflict. |
| 15:02.29 | julianol1ver | hrw: Jaffa i don't believe any are in conflict. i will check with dpkg |
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| 15:02.45 | AndrewFBlack | are repos still running slow updating stuff? |
| 15:02.47 | Jaffa | julianol1ver: Failing that, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 15:02.48 | julianol1ver | df -h tells me i have sufficient free space. |
| 15:02.56 | rabbitear | but thats cool RST38h I like fighting with you |
| 15:02.59 | rabbitear | :) |
| 15:03.02 | julianol1ver | Jaffa: yes, i am familiar with this page. cheers. |
| 15:03.04 | rabbitear | *hugs* |
| 15:03.26 | javispedro | AndrewFBlack: repos work fast and lean for me |
| 15:03.57 | julianol1ver | javispedro: same here, dialing from Berlin. |
| 15:04.13 | rabbitear | i noamlly only tell jokes anymore |
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| 15:04.39 | jebba | Stskeeps: ok, i'll make it a sprint item. I'll see how. |
| 15:04.42 | Corsac | hnmhn Tasks can only be reached through calendar? |
| 15:04.47 | matthew- | ok had to flush dns again |
| 15:04.49 | rabbitear | some of us actually figure out working isn't where its at all |
| 15:04.56 | matthew- | where can i find unzip now? |
| 15:05.12 | matthew- | as its not apt-get install unzip |
| 15:05.16 | tigert | extras-devel |
| 15:05.21 | rabbitear | drink and be weird with your friends |
| 15:05.34 | rabbitear | and insert pain when you can |
| 15:05.42 | rabbitear | things that mean something |
| 15:05.44 | matthew- | :) |
| 15:05.57 | rabbitear | :) |
| 15:06.01 | rabbitear | install linux |
| 15:06.18 | rabbitear | I know I'm been light |
| 15:06.24 | rabbitear | but its easy |
| 15:06.26 | tigert | matthew-: apt-get update maybe to see if your stuff is uptodate after the dns snafu? |
| 15:06.29 | RST38h | No he has not got it |
| 15:07.03 | matthew- | tigert: did it, thou i dont have devel added at all |
| 15:08.08 | chem|st | jebba: why didnt you include the non-free stuff on your mirrors? non-free just means that the sources are non-free but does not mean that its non-free to spread |
| 15:08.15 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Happy New Year on behalf of the Maemo Community | Repositories and mailing lists were temporarily down, see http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ ATM they are back to normal | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 15:08.18 | kamui | has anyone seen any bug reports about IM modules killing battery life? |
| 15:08.19 | timeless_mbp | andre__: re 4053, thanks |
| 15:08.31 | timeless_mbp | kamui: IM=input methods? |
| 15:08.34 | timeless_mbp | or telepathy? |
| 15:08.36 | kamui | since I switched to pidgin, my battery life has improved drastically |
| 15:08.38 | rabbitear | well last time I got arrested, and they where putting me in the back, I was yelling install linux |
| 15:08.45 | rabbitear | and I will, you can stop me |
| 15:08.47 | kamui | lol timless, yea telepathy |
| 15:08.49 | jebba | chem|st: non-free to me is things i wont spread. |
| 15:09.10 | chem|st | jebba: so it is a sort of religion of yours? |
| 15:09.12 | jebba | though i'm also not 100% certain i could or not |
| 15:09.15 | jebba | no |
| 15:09.35 | javispedro | actually, there might be reason not to mirror the non-free packages |
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| 15:09.58 | kamui | timeless_mbp, literally, since I did the update to 1.01 and then 1.1, my battery life from 7-9am usually drops almost 20% |
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| 15:10.18 | chem|st | the one you dont spread or arent allowed to are to pay for and thats not part of non-free |
| 15:10.23 | kamui | timeless_mbp, this morning however since I moved to pidgin and disabled those, 7-9, Im at 95% |
| 15:10.33 | kamui | the bar hasn't even moved |
| 15:10.37 | odin_ | this pymaemo-optify 0.4 package does is still setup a load of bind mounts? (i.e. a big fat mess) ? |
| 15:11.04 | timeless_mbp | kamui: it wouldn't exactly shock me if some third party telepathy modules are battery killers |
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| 15:11.40 | rabbitear | timeless_mbp: what would be a money maker too |
| 15:11.41 | timeless_mbp | kamui: are you only using first party modules? |
| 15:11.43 | julianol1ver | tybollt: hrw is it safe to simply apt-get upgrade on the device? i see no meta package called 'maemo5' as per the app manager. |
| 15:11.46 | matthew- | hmmmmmm |
| 15:11.47 | chem|st | kamui: timeless_mbp most of the modules come from a pidgin plugin so it might be telepathy itself |
| 15:11.49 | lizardo | odin_: yes, but don't use it , it is in extras-devel :) |
| 15:11.55 | kamui | timeless_mbp, the only thing that blows is that It worked fine before the upgrade, though there have been some updates since |
| 15:11.58 | matthew- | unzip is not in extras devel ;p |
| 15:12.00 | rabbitear | timeless_mbp: if you can do something that sucks up energy |
| 15:12.15 | rabbitear | like visual basic..... |
| 15:12.18 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: From my entirely unscientific testing enabling MFE is .. well I should say, disabling MFE gives you a lot of battery back |
| 15:12.18 | kamui | timeless_mbp, I think first party only, the xmpp client and skype |
| 15:12.33 | tybollt | julianol1ver: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:12.37 | tybollt | julianol1ver: yes that is safe |
| 15:12.47 | julianol1ver | tybollt: oops, that's what i meant to say. good news. |
| 15:13.22 | rabbitear | well I'll tell you people... I don't need any money |
| 15:13.26 | rabbitear | at all |
| 15:13.30 | tybollt | julianol1ver: HOWEVER, as someone around here said... there's a bunch of extras in the app-manager which makes it a better choice than using plain apt-get |
| 15:13.39 | rabbitear | I'm as they say pretty good |
| 15:13.39 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: i kinda need MfE |
| 15:13.45 | rabbitear | even without asking |
| 15:13.55 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: me too, it is the reason why I have this devices (one of them) |
| 15:13.56 | timeless_mbp | so while it makes sense that MfE would hurt battery life, i don't really have a choice |
| 15:14.00 | julianol1ver | tybollt: the app manager seems broken for the upgrade here. it insists i make a backup and then offers no path back to itself. |
| 15:14.03 | rabbitear | but I'm from cambridge mass |
| 15:14.13 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: fwiw, there was an internal demo of a task-manager |
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| 15:14.48 | Corsac | what exactly do you use MFE for? outlook calendar sync? |
| 15:14.55 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: cross my fingers and wish for 1.2, huh? :P |
| 15:15.24 | rabbitear | I'm in my 30's and no the logo freaks |
| 15:15.33 | rabbitear | in real life |
| 15:15.48 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: dunno, i'm actually on my way to talk to the MfE folks |
| 15:16.00 | rabbitear | hey I miss kendle square |
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| 15:16.36 | rabbitear | we lifed alot of stuff from them |
| 15:16.47 | rabbitear | 300 baud modems |
| 15:16.52 | odin_ | In HAM the message in the Updating tab "Updating 'Foobar' requires 172 kB of device memory" is that additional memory (i.e. the difference between the old and new, or is that the size of required total) ? |
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| 15:17.02 | rabbitear | cool terminals |
| 15:17.16 | rabbitear | pdp-11's |
| 15:17.28 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: Well, then, kiitos! :) |
| 15:17.43 | timeless_mbp | i'll thank you for not speaking finnish to me ;-) |
| 15:17.43 | rabbitear | we even stole taxi cabs |
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| 15:17.54 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: :D |
| 15:18.38 | rabbitear | they would be stealing cop cars by now |
| 15:18.46 | rabbitear | thats why I'm here |
| 15:18.48 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: Anyway it is of course very hard to meassure these things... |
| 15:19.00 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: actually |
| 15:19.16 | timeless_mbp | someone had a command they stuck in a bug showing a way to measure battery something |
| 15:19.30 | timeless_mbp | and there's a tool (hopefully in tools or extras) which does cpu state monitoring |
| 15:19.37 | rabbitear | I'm charging up my phone |
| 15:19.37 | tybollt | yeah |
| 15:19.41 | tybollt | obviously |
| 15:19.45 | timeless_mbp | -- don't ask me for names of things, i can't remember any of them |
| 15:19.53 | tybollt | but things such as screen brightness |
| 15:20.04 | tybollt | how many times you flip the keyboard |
| 15:20.19 | rabbitear | how many times |
| 15:20.23 | julianol1ver | indeed. |
| 15:20.26 | timeless_mbp | so, keyboard open/close is logged to syslog |
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| 15:20.36 | timeless_mbp | (seriously) |
| 15:20.49 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: heh so we can actually quantify this eh? :) |
| 15:20.53 | julianol1ver | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.09 | hrw | brightness... I new device which needed in-kernel stuff to limit brightness when battery voltage dropped too much otherwise cpu started to be unstable |
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| 15:21.12 | julianol1ver | writes out a log of all the acpi events and uses bc to calculate the mean load. |
| 15:21.29 | rabbitear | this guy has no lady friends |
| 15:21.43 | rabbitear | if he is so (seriously) |
| 15:21.52 | tybollt | who put this spambot rabbitear in here? :) |
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| 15:21.56 | julianol1ver | s/load/drain/ |
| 15:22.18 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: oddly, i think so :o |
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| 15:22.58 | rabbitear | we learn |
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| 15:23.22 | X-Fade | rabbitear: I'm going to check if you are a spambot. To prevent banning from this channel you should not respond for 5 minutes. |
| 15:23.37 | rabbitear | do it |
| 15:23.43 | Shadikka | Dun dun dun dun. |
| 15:23.58 | Shadikka | Wouldn't it just be easier to PM "him", or something? :P |
| 15:24.15 | rabbitear | I don't pm |
| 15:24.21 | X-Fade | Shadikka: I like public warnings etc ;) |
| 15:24.23 | julianol1ver | hehe oops |
| 15:24.27 | Shadikka | Heh :P |
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| 15:25.14 | rabbitear | warming |
| 15:25.29 | rabbitear | stay in the goal |
| 15:25.37 | rabbitear | I do, but I take off |
| 15:26.02 | rabbitear | we're bad man.... |
| 15:26.12 | rabbitear | *yeah right* |
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| 15:26.32 | wazd | RST38h: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-theme-marina/hildon-theme-marina_0.95_all.deb <- test! :D |
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| 15:26.46 | tybollt | wazd: scrshots? |
| 15:27.47 | rabbitear | go android |
| 15:27.56 | Myrtti | rabbitear: *yawn* |
| 15:28.10 | tybollt | I call spambot on that asshole... :) |
| 15:28.41 | Shadikka | A pretty boring one. |
| 15:29.21 | X-Fade | op #maemo X-Fade |
| 15:29.27 | X-Fade | lol ;) |
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| 15:29.51 | Hukka | rabbitear: Quick, run! |
| 15:30.13 | rabbitear | in real life too |
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| 15:30.30 | Myrtti | Hukka: funny that you said that. Some sense of irony in the world |
| 15:30.35 | X-Fade | That helps ;) |
| 15:30.47 | X-Fade | And now returning is not possible for him. |
| 15:31.44 | X-Fade | I usually don't get annoyed by people, but this one really had a problem. |
| 15:32.02 | Creteil | hi all, this is my first try of xchat under my precious :-) |
| 15:32.07 | Arkenoi | could anyone please remind me a link to the thread where a way to make ussd requests from command line was discussed? |
| 15:32.12 | RST38h | wazd: Optified? |
| 15:32.19 | julianol1ver | X-Fade: looked pretty bot-like to me. |
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| 15:32.40 | X-Fade | julianol1ver: It didn't make any sense at least. |
| 15:32.45 | julianol1ver | indeed |
| 15:32.56 | RST38h | Arkanoid: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32878&highlight=ussd ? |
| 15:33.32 | RST38h | Arkanoid: also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=445223 |
| 15:34.01 | thresh | in some bug also |
| 15:36.57 | wazd | RST38h: yep |
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| 15:39.42 | ifreq | what was the cmd to refresh media library? |
| 15:39.55 | ifreq | or whats good alternative music player |
| 15:40.34 | KenYoung | Are the servers still messed up? |
| 15:41.21 | Creteil | Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown |
| 15:42.16 | Creteil | Damn, this 'exec' command under xchat rewlz !!! :-) |
| 15:42.32 | tybollt | rewzl0rz!1111 |
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| 15:42.53 | tybollt | yawns profusely |
| 15:43.32 | Creteil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.03 | matthew- | ok |
| 15:44.26 | matthew- | anyone can tell me where should i now put the maps i downloaded for ovi maps? |
| 15:44.44 | matthew- | is it /mydocs/cities |
| 15:44.44 | javispedro | load average: 120.01, 121.29, 121.42 |
| 15:44.50 | javispedro | lovely isp |
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| 15:44.56 | matthew- | ? |
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| 15:45.20 | matthew- | and should i put it in the catalogue that is already there or create a new one? |
| 15:45.21 | Creteil | ok, under BitchX, '/wi' command was usefull, what is the equivalent under xchat ??? |
| 15:45.22 | frals | matthew-: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c |
| 15:45.38 | javispedro | you can use the ovi map loader too |
| 15:45.39 | matthew- | thanks |
| 15:45.44 | javispedro | it worked for me. |
| 15:46.10 | Arkenoi | RST38h, what package do i need for pexpect? |
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| 15:46.34 | Jaffa | frals: ta |
| 15:47.20 | RST38h | wazd: Sorry, really do not like these glossy buttons :( |
| 15:47.23 | frals | yw (? :D) |
| 15:47.29 | RST38h | Arkenoi: No idea, never installed it |
| 15:47.43 | tybollt | huh |
| 15:47.47 | tybollt | glossy buttons++ |
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| 15:48.16 | tybollt | =) |
| 15:48.17 | RST38h | wazd:unchecked checkboxes are blue for some reason, not gray |
| 15:48.49 | alterego | Does the N900 have rfcomm and hcitools? |
| 15:48.55 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 15:48.56 | RST38h | wazd: Actually, no, unchecked checkboxes are bright white, checked are blue, very confusing |
| 15:48.58 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 15:48.59 | SpeedEvil | 10s |
| 15:49.01 | alterego | Damnit. |
| 15:49.22 | alterego | I'd really like rfcomm device nodes :( |
| 15:49.27 | SpeedEvil | hcitool and hciconfig - yes |
| 15:49.28 | SpeedEvil | sorry |
| 15:49.40 | SpeedEvil | also - it must be able to do rfcomm |
| 15:49.41 | RST38h | wazd: The desktop-edit gear is corrupted somehow, shown in a light vertical strip |
| 15:49.48 | SpeedEvil | as you can pair an external GPS |
| 15:50.07 | alterego | Sure, I'll just cross-compile and package rfcomm and see if I Can get it to work. |
| 15:50.11 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps the gear has been stripped by overloading. could this be an indication of disk full? :) |
| 15:50.13 | RST38h | wazd: The blue color in scroll bars (like volume) is too dark, almost the same as gray |
| 15:50.25 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I mean - there must be rfcomm - in some incarnation on the phone. |
| 15:50.35 | RST38h | wazd: the top of the background is bright blue instead of subdued blue |
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| 15:50.41 | SpeedEvil | alterego: as GPS devices are rfcomm, and they work by default |
| 15:51.05 | koala_man | when you move a widget in the desktop conf mode, the sides show up as blue. why is that? |
| 15:51.32 | RST38h | wazd: the cross buttons, when editing desktop, are too thick, they prevent you from concentrating on actual desktop items |
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| 15:53.17 | alterego | SpeedEvil: good point. |
| 15:53.40 | alterego | Well, I'll be able to do some testing tomorrow. |
| 15:53.46 | hrw | andre__: thx for blog comment |
| 15:54.36 | andre__ | hrw, sure - I think we all want a way to somehow get newer builds for testing for those people that want to live on the edge... |
| 15:55.13 | hrw | andre__: s/live on the edge/have fixed software/ |
| 15:55.14 | hrw | ;d |
| 15:55.21 | andre__ | hehehe |
| 15:55.33 | andre__ | well, some fixes. and some new bugs ;-) |
| 15:55.49 | Arkenoi | how can i open an arbitruary url in browser from a command line? |
| 15:56.07 | hrw | now... why my ISP decided today to break sftp/ftps ;( |
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| 15:58.29 | Jiyuu|Work | hrm |
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| 15:58.41 | Jiyuu|Work | i asked this here a while ago |
| 15:59.05 | Jiyuu|Work | but i've read something today and wondered about that |
| 15:59.28 | Jiyuu|Work | at the time i asked if its possible to install maemo on a phone that comes installed with android |
| 15:59.31 | SpeedEvil | Jiyuu|Work: no |
| 15:59.39 | Jiyuu|Work | i was tolled that would be pretty difficult |
| 15:59.50 | SpeedEvil | Jiyuu|Work: In principle yes, in practice, no, not without several hundred-several thousand hours of work. |
| 15:59.56 | Jiyuu|Work | but just today i read how people are already doing it the other way around |
| 16:00.13 | RST38h | Does not work the other way |
| 16:00.23 | RST38h | Android is pretty much a Java machine + some frameworks |
| 16:00.26 | SpeedEvil | The n900 is implicitly documented by the available maemo code. |
| 16:00.32 | RST38h | Maemo is a whole software stack |
| 16:00.36 | Jiyuu|Work | http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/ |
| 16:00.42 | Jiyuu|Work | so how come this is around? |
| 16:00.57 | SpeedEvil | Essentially all platforms android runs on are not nearly so well documented. |
| 16:01.12 | SpeedEvil | See above |
| 16:01.25 | Jiyuu|Work | so it was simple because the n900 is well documented |
| 16:01.30 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much |
| 16:01.31 | tybollt | RST38h: just what maemo is... the definition, itrigues me... |
| 16:01.39 | tybollt | RST38h: debian + hildon = maemo? |
| 16:01.52 | SpeedEvil | Maemo = mer + closed source elements from nokia |
| 16:01.54 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 16:01.59 | tybollt | I'd love to read up on the intricacies :) |
| 16:02.07 | SpeedEvil | ~closed |
| 16:02.07 | infobot | from memory, closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 16:02.08 | Jiyuu|Work | while trying to convert an android phone will be a lot of reverse engineering? |
| 16:02.13 | SpeedEvil | Seethat tybollt |
| 16:02.19 | tybollt | yessir |
| 16:02.21 | SpeedEvil | Jiyuu|Work: basically, yes |
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| 16:03.13 | kamui | Any kind soul care to invite me to spotify? |
| 16:03.25 | tybollt | sure |
| 16:03.28 | tybollt | email? |
| 16:03.39 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.53 | kamui | pm'd tybollt, greatly greatly appreciated! :) |
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| 16:05.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-google |
| 16:06.09 | Creteil | is there a command to see what apps installed from a particular repository ??? |
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| 16:07.07 | edheldil | Creteil: no |
| 16:07.18 | jondy | hello.. got this problem that the n900 isnt charging ? |
| 16:07.42 | tybollt | jondy: from usb or wall socket |
| 16:07.48 | jondy | neither |
| 16:08.29 | tybollt | so you haven't connected a charging cable and you're wondering why it isn't working? Is this Monty Python flying circus? |
| 16:08.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | id the device booted or off? |
| 16:08.58 | jondy | sry i meant i tried them both |
| 16:09.04 | jondy | off |
| 16:09.21 | tybollt | leave it plugged into wall socket for a while |
| 16:09.26 | tybollt | should do the trickl |
| 16:09.29 | jondy | it was over night |
| 16:09.38 | MaemohammadAG | jondy, try pulling it out and putting it back in |
| 16:09.41 | tybollt | if the battery is drained charing off of usb will usually fail |
| 16:10.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | renove bat. wait. insert bat. plug in wallcharger |
| 16:10.05 | AndrewFBlack | Why the F*** do people keep updating my theme from devel!! |
| 16:10.08 | jondy | tried that also |
| 16:10.39 | AndrewFBlack | sorry had to get that out I feel better now |
| 16:10.53 | jondy | is it possible that the battery is so dead that it doesnt even star charging ? :D |
| 16:11.01 | AndrewFBlack | jondy, yes |
| 16:11.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | AndrewFBlack: fine :-) |
| 16:11.23 | AndrewFBlack | jondy, if you charging off USB I know it can be to dead to charge |
| 16:11.40 | Fatal | AndrewFBlack: what do you mean? (regarding theme) |
| 16:11.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why I said 'wallcharger' |
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| 16:12.21 | tybollt | sigh |
| 16:12.26 | AndrewFBlack | DocScrutinizer51, sorry people keep downloading theme from devel and complaining its not right :) |
| 16:12.37 | tybollt | all these "my phone's out cold, what now!?" is getting boring |
| 16:12.46 | tybollt | should we wiki this perhaps? |
| 16:12.54 | tybollt | contemplates |
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| 16:13.38 | jondy | tried everyhting in wikis, this is allways the last option |
| 16:13.47 | javispedro | AndrewFBlack: people take -devel too lightly. |
| 16:14.06 | jondy | so.. off to buy a new battery then.. |
| 16:14.08 | tybollt | again, make the device charge from wall socket - not USB and wait for a while |
| 16:14.11 | tybollt | if nothing still |
| 16:14.40 | tybollt | try removing and reinserting the cable |
| 16:15.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | and wait again 1h at least |
| 16:15.06 | jondy | tybollt: come on i've tried everything im not an idiot |
| 16:16.11 | tybollt | jondy: I did not call you an idiot, I was trying to help you (However derogatory my tone may have been ;). Buying a new battery now is probably not the fix... |
| 16:16.57 | jondy | well then battery can die completely, right ? |
| 16:17.40 | tybollt | yes but it is unlikely in a device that _can not_ be older than about a month tops (granted you don't have a maemo summit device) |
| 16:18.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | it can. but it's highly unlikely you ran into that |
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| 16:19.28 | jondy | ok.. what about the musb socket... ? |
| 16:20.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: there are known issues with N900 not starting to charge in a normal way, on flat battery. And there are recommendations to cure that |
| 16:21.06 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer51++ |
| 16:21.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: of course you *might* face any nasty kind of hw bug atm. |
| 16:21.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | but it's more likely you ran into that known issue |
| 16:23.13 | jondy | hey, tried everything. it was running "oddly" after the uppdate. freezing, running slowly etc. |
| 16:23.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: aiui one of the major characteristics of that issue is N900 will not *indicate* it's charging |
| 16:23.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: then it's charging very slowly. and 3) it does this only from wallcharger |
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| 16:26.56 | X-Fade | yes, all nokias have a mode where they can charge really empty batteries before they do a 'startup' for proper charging. |
| 16:27.34 | X-Fade | As a proper startup would take more form the battery than the charger would provide at that moment ;) |
| 16:27.34 | Arkenoi | i am not familliar with python regexps, how do i write "take first line only"? |
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| 16:28.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: thanks for shedding some more light on this |
| 16:28.28 | Shadikka | Arkenoi: If you want first line only, regexp isn't the best choice |
| 16:28.38 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Even my really old monochrome Nokias did this :) |
| 16:28.43 | Shadikka | I'd go for something like text.split()[0] or text[:text.find("\n")] |
| 16:28.54 | Arkenoi | Shadikka, i am configuring ussd-widget, so it probably is |
| 16:28.56 | jondy | is it possible that the phone thinks its still connected to a computer |
| 16:29.10 | Shadikka | If you really want regexp, r'(.*?)[\r\n]' |
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| 16:29.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: so the advice would be 'hook up to wallcharger and *wait*. then wait even longer' |
| 16:30.14 | jondy | sry ment n900 |
| 16:30.37 | Shadikka | Arkenoi: Do you need to just give it a regexp or a line of code? |
| 16:30.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: if you removed bat as adviced, the phone for sure won't think anything. Even after you reinserted battery |
| 16:30.51 | tybollt | jondy: one thing I would try - whatever the situation - is yank the battery out of the phone |
| 16:30.59 | tybollt | put it back in |
| 16:31.05 | Arkenoi | Shadikka, regexp |
| 16:31.08 | tybollt | then try charging out of the wall socket for a while |
| 16:31.36 | Shadikka | Arkenoi: (.*?)[\r\n) should return the first line as the first group of the match then |
| 16:31.46 | jondy | ok ill try it once again. -> |
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| 16:32.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | for a looong while. and don't care about wheter t shows it's charging |
| 16:32.23 | Arkenoi | it says NoneType object has no attribute group |
| 16:32.46 | Shadikka | Arkenoi: sorry, "(.*?)[\r\n]?" without quotes should work |
| 16:33.03 | Shadikka | First I typoed the closing ] and forgot the question mark to make it not require a linebreak |
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| 16:33.34 | jondy | ok. im getting a feeling that the usb i kaput |
| 16:33.40 | Shadikka | Badly coded if it gives that error :/ You should _always_ check if the re.match() or re.search() returns None instead of a Match object.. |
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| 16:34.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: why???? |
| 16:34.24 | Arkenoi | Shadikka, nope, still get 2 lines |
| 16:34.31 | jondy | not sure but its litlle bit looser |
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| 16:34.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: you harrdly even started to charge in the way we adviced at you |
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| 16:35.15 | jondy | DocScrutinizer51: hey i did this allready on sunday, everything u said here... |
| 16:35.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: is usb receptacle also solder free mount? |
| 16:35.26 | Shadikka | Arkenoi: That's strange. What kind of input does it get? |
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| 16:36.08 | Arkenoi | ~ $ ussdquery.py "*101#" |
| 16:36.09 | Arkenoi | âÁÌÁÎÓ 55.22ÒÕÂ. 18.01.10 14:23 |
| 16:36.09 | Arkenoi | "ëïîôáëô.spb" |
| 16:36.14 | Arkenoi | exactly like that |
| 16:36.22 | Shadikka | hmm. |
| 16:36.26 | Arkenoi | i need fist line but i do need second one |
| 16:36.28 | adrian_ | hello everybody, no one has installed maemo on a nokia e65???? |
| 16:36.56 | alterego | adrian_: not possible unfortunately. |
| 16:37.09 | alterego | Well, I actually don't think it's that unfortunate really. |
| 16:37.17 | adrian_ | alterego, why's that? I want to go deeper in it |
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| 16:37.31 | alterego | adrian_: I'd forget about it. |
| 16:37.38 | Shadikka | Arkenoi: Alternative try: "([^\r\n]*)" without quotes |
| 16:37.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: so maybe you're really better of to buy or borrow a spare bat somewhere |
| 16:37.45 | alterego | It wont ever happen. |
| 16:37.52 | adrian_ | alterego, and android??? |
| 16:38.00 | adrian_ | I want a linux in my phone |
| 16:38.03 | alterego | No, nothing except series 60 |
| 16:38.07 | adrian_ | that's what I've got, sadly |
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| 16:38.14 | jondy | DocScrutinizer51: yes, that was my plan but someone thought it was a bad idea. |
| 16:38.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: if only for testing purposes |
| 16:38.28 | alterego | If people could run Linux on any Series 60 device, it would have been done by now adrian_ |
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| 16:39.07 | adrian_ | I said E65, is E series, if I'm not wrong |
| 16:39.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: if your usb receütacle is broken then you easily can tell it fails to function when you booted from new battery |
| 16:39.23 | alterego | adrian_: it is a Symbian Series 60 phone. |
| 16:39.43 | alterego | That is the operating system it runs. |
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| 16:40.32 | jondy | yes. ok thanks alot. battery shopping -> |
| 16:40.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | jondy: yw |
| 16:40.53 | adrian_ | alterego, ohh right |
| 16:41.17 | Arkenoi | Shadikka, thanks! it worked. |
| 16:41.53 | hrw | can someone at nokia fix that repository? https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/./maemo-launcher_0.35-7+0m5_armel.deb is 403 |
| 16:42.18 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: what USB |
| 16:42.21 | alterego | Anyhow, adrian_ you're more likely to get struck by lightening than you are getting anythiong other than the supplied operating system running on a Nokia symbian or even S40 based phone. |
| 16:42.24 | Shadikka | Arkenoi: np :) |
| 16:42.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: the micro usb receptacle on N900 |
| 16:42.55 | SpeedEvil | ah - yes. |
| 16:43.04 | hrw | Preparing to replace mp-fremantle-generic-pr 2.2009.51-1.0 (using .../mp-fremantle-generic-pr_2.2009.51-1.hrw0_all.deb) ... |
| 16:43.07 | hrw | yes ;D |
| 16:43.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: yes means solder free? |
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| 16:51.13 | Hukka | Is there any way to get some extra output from sb-menu? It just freezes today. Even after a reinstall. |
| 16:52.04 | Hukka | Alternatively, would someone want to compile libspatiallite2 for N900 :? |
| 16:52.10 | adrian_ | alterego, all right, sadly N900 here is priced as a home |
| 16:52.55 | Hukka | adrian_: Homes are cheap, depending on your taste. Houses, on the other hand, are not :) |
| 16:53.10 | adrian_ | Hukka, I probably meant house |
| 16:53.12 | adrian_ | I live in cuba, guys |
| 16:53.21 | arachnist | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1924/ <| rotfl, sfw (at least this episode) |
| 16:53.34 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/01/18/system-updates-repository-online/ |
| 16:54.18 | tybollt | if you live in cuba - don't use linux... it's not free you know - better get something approved by the state censorship. |
| 16:54.28 | tybollt | (ref google vs china :) |
| 16:54.58 | |R | Cuba hires russians to control their (smallish) network |
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| 16:59.38 | aep | is it normal that "updating maemo" takes forever? |
| 16:59.47 | hrw | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=480227#post480227 |
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| 17:00.09 | greenfly | I have a feeling everyone is hammering the maemo.org repos right now |
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| 17:05.36 | xorAxAx | aep: yes, its very slow |
| 17:07.16 | aep | glad to hear its not my device. just received it |
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| 17:09.02 | kamui | yay! abiword is available!!! |
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| 17:09.25 | kamui | now we just need gnumeric and my officelust will be satiated! |
| 17:09.53 | tybollt | someone get that word-suite that comes w/ the phone running? |
| 17:10.08 | kamui | you talkin about documents2go? |
| 17:10.10 | kamui | blech |
| 17:10.12 | tybollt | ja |
| 17:10.13 | kamui | isn't that readonly anyway |
| 17:10.19 | tybollt | no idea really |
| 17:10.32 | tybollt | it tried to coerce me into paying for it when I tried it |
| 17:10.47 | kamui | no way, waste of $$$ |
| 17:10.53 | tybollt | uhuh |
| 17:11.49 | andre__ | kamui, abiword? where? |
| 17:12.27 | xorAxAx | -devel |
| 17:12.38 | andre__ | nice |
| 17:13.14 | Arkenoi | does it really work? |
| 17:13.23 | Arkenoi | i tried installing it, does not seem to |
| 17:13.32 | Arkenoi | at least did not a few days ago |
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| 17:15.07 | xorAxAx | WM |
| 17:15.08 | xorAxAx | WFM |
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| 17:30.42 | VDVsx | oh boy,t he 14p discussion at TMO about closing the mailing lists, really shows the difference between the MLs and TMO |
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| 17:31.19 | lupine_85 | So on the N900, what sorts of VoIP does it support in the native phone app? Can I connect it up to an asterisk server over SIP/IAX? |
| 17:31.42 | lupine_85 | I've noticed it offering voice calls over xmpp, but I don't have any endpoints to test that with... |
| 17:31.49 | arachnist | lupine_85: it supports SIP |
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| 17:32.32 | smps | lupine_85, i used it with asterisk and its fine |
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| 17:32.51 | lupine_85 | ooh, excellent :) |
| 17:32.52 | smps | lupine_85, search some posts on talk.maemo.org |
| 17:33.12 | lupine_85 | means I should look at setting my own asterisk server up again, I guess :) |
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| 17:36.10 | type_t | <lupine_85> AsteriskNOW redhat? |
| 17:36.47 | lupine_85 | avoids redhat anything |
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| 17:37.13 | smps | type_t, its centos iirc |
| 17:37.24 | lupine_85 | *hidehide* |
| 17:37.37 | lupine_85 | debian has packages, that's good enough for me :) |
| 17:37.49 | type_t | # because of the GPL licence? i dint get it. |
| 17:37.54 | lupine_85 | hopefully means I can connect to my work's SIP server, too |
| 17:38.12 | smps | type_t, ? |
| 17:38.21 | luke-jr | type_t: because RedHat sucks? |
| 17:38.29 | type_t | haha ok |
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| 17:40.32 | smps | http://blogs.perl.org/users/cpan_testers/2010/01/msnbot-must-die.html <- crazy stuff |
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| 17:45.32 | Jaffa | hrw: Your blog post is a very nice white screen for me... |
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| 17:48.58 | kamui | Still lookin for a spotify invite, if anyone has one they can spare |
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| 17:52.07 | hrw | shit |
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| 17:54.35 | hrw | TomaszD: hej |
| 17:57.01 | frals | TomaszD: thanks for your comment on fAPN in -testing - i do think that "fAPN" is enough in display-name though as it contains a description :) |
| 17:57.53 | lcuk | just realised frals wrote the first maemo component for fapping |
| 17:58.13 | frals | lcuk: doh! i realised that after i named it.. and well.. its a good name! ;D |
| 17:58.21 | tybollt | That's good - we need to have one of those too |
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| 17:58.58 | lcuk | tybollt, the accelometer can tell you how fast you are going |
| 17:59.14 | ivan4th | just noticed that my N900 became too hot. started top and noticed maemo-xinput-sounds grabbing 100% CPU. Had to kill it with kill -9 ... |
| 17:59.19 | lcuk | it can detect "sedate, strong, vigerous, omg it burns" |
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| 17:59.51 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
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| 18:00.02 | tybollt | and then you can capture the entire thing w/ the camera - you know Nokia should get into the pr0n bussiness |
| 18:00.06 | user_ | hello |
| 18:00.08 | SpeedEvil | pedometer with extra modes for other oscillatory excersizes! |
| 18:00.23 | TomaszD | hey guys |
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| 18:00.36 | hrw | Jaffa: and now? |
| 18:00.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 18:01.11 | SpeedEvil | I would actually really like a pedo app. And otehr execrises. |
| 18:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: audio peek meter? |
| 18:01.18 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, it should have a calory ocunter |
| 18:01.22 | SpeedEvil | Integrated diet managment too |
| 18:01.23 | hrw | TomaszD: fixed Modest does not use 'Odp:' anymore - want package? |
| 18:01.25 | lcuk | o_O |
| 18:01.26 | lcuk | counter |
| 18:01.27 | user_ | whats the repo for extras testing? |
| 18:02.05 | TomaszD | hrw: I rarely send e-mail from my N900, I only treat it as a reader |
| 18:02.14 | TomaszD | so no, thx |
| 18:02.16 | TomaszD | :) |
| 18:02.29 | hrw | mkey |
| 18:02.31 | tybollt | the n900 is awesome for short emails |
| 18:02.35 | tybollt | like |
| 18:02.38 | tybollt | "I'm late" |
| 18:02.42 | hrw | tybollt: or 'me too' |
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| 18:03.17 | tybollt | "Still stuck w/ the hand in the vent trying to pick up that m&m that's been there forever- can you come get me?" etc... |
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| 18:03.44 | lcuk | tybollt, you lie |
| 18:03.46 | tybollt | hrw: Are you going all AOL on my ass? :) |
| 18:03.46 | hrw | tybollt: n900 with one hand is usable only for calls or hammering |
| 18:04.15 | tybollt | lcuk: Dang, how'd you notice? |
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| 18:04.44 | w00t | tybollt: lcuk already got that m&m yesterday |
| 18:04.51 | tybollt | >:) |
| 18:05.08 | lcuk | tybollt, one handed usage as hrw says :p |
| 18:05.31 | tybollt | seriously - I use MFS a lot and I can tell you it's S O much better on N900 than on E75 for instance. |
| 18:05.35 | tybollt | MFE |
| 18:05.48 | tybollt | jaja |
| 18:05.55 | SpeedEvil | hrw: the on-screen keyboard is usable for short text |
| 18:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | while talking bout it: what's general opinion about a speech2text app for N900? |
| 18:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | anything in the pipe somewhere? |
| 18:06.08 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: espeak |
| 18:06.13 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: oops |
| 18:06.17 | SpeedEvil | espeak|tac |
| 18:06.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: other way round |
| 18:06.19 | Caesium | DocScrutinizer: could that also facilitate launching things by speech command? if so I'd hit it :) |
| 18:06.28 | Caesium | dialling contacts by saying name, yummy |
| 18:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | all new Nokia phones have a very decent s2t. I fonly Nokia was willing to port that to maemo |
| 18:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | Caesium: exactly. works like a charm on N95 |
| 18:08.37 | hrw | SpeedEvil: you need two hands or place to put n900 to type one handly |
| 18:08.56 | SpeedEvil | hrw: it's a bit awkward - you can thumb it though |
| 18:09.06 | Jaffa | hrw: Still white screen |
| 18:09.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | a lie |
| 18:09.25 | Jaffa | hrw: If I bypass our work proxy, it loads though |
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| 18:09.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | this thumbed in even lefthand |
| 18:10.02 | N900evil | like this,, |
| 18:11.15 | N900evil | actually you use it with finger next to thumb |
| 18:11.25 | SpeedEvil | or that's one way |
| 18:11.30 | SpeedEvil | it's annoying - yes |
| 18:11.41 | Jaffa | hrw: If you include Modest patches from bug 3700 and bug 2563, I'll be in :) |
| 18:11.43 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post) |
| 18:11.44 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying |
| 18:11.54 | SpeedEvil | with the device held in thumb and end two fingers. |
| 18:12.19 | hrw | Jaffa: are they in upstream modest? |
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| 18:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nah. N900 in my palm, typing with thumb |
| 18:13.13 | Jaffa | hrw: NAFAIK, no. |
| 18:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: luckily that's NOT portrait mode ;-) |
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| 18:13.21 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: my thumb may not be flexy enough |
| 18:13.34 | Jaffa | hrw: Despite the patches being maintained by the community, there seems to be no movement on getting them into Maemo Modest in the short term |
| 18:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: gicht? |
| 18:14.21 | KenYoung | Jaffa, What's Maemo Modest? |
| 18:14.29 | SpeedEvil | an alternate vkbd would be nice for thumb |
| 18:14.38 | SpeedEvil | left and right thumb |
| 18:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | err, s/gicht/gout/ |
| 18:15.06 | SpeedEvil | no. |
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| 18:15.42 | Jaffa | KenYoung: The Modest which is shipped as part of an officially maintained and distributed and supported Maemo. |
| 18:15.56 | KenYoung | Jaffa, Thanks. |
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| 18:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: well it's not really in my palm. more resting on my four fingers |
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| 18:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | slightly holding it with tip of middle and ring finger |
| 18:17.31 | lcuk | are we still talking about the fapmoter? |
| 18:17.37 | lcuk | fapometer |
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| 18:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | more about reverse ploish dvorak |
| 18:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | polish |
| 18:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | ;) |
| 18:18.49 | N900evil | ah i see |
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| 18:19.16 | SpeedEvil | That doesn't work - as I'm in bed - and I can't see the n900 likle that. held flat, yes it works |
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| 18:20.02 | hrw | Jaffa: both patches apply nice and sound like nice addons |
| 18:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | yeah will hurt your face when looking at it while laying in bed |
| 18:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | and darn, you bet my IroN900 can hit hard |
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| 18:22.52 | SpeedEvil | I have tried nose-typing. |
| 18:22.57 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't really work well |
| 18:23.29 | SpeedEvil | If the front camera wasn't utterly crap - video gesture recognition of some sort would be interesting for pointer contrtol |
| 18:24.14 | Jaffa | hrw: Cool |
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| 18:24.18 | cehteh | didnt the firmware updated the frontcam issues a bit? |
| 18:24.39 | Jaffa | would also love it if Modest's editor actually fitted 72 characters on a line, but I doubt there's a bug for that - and I've certainly not seen a patch |
| 18:24.43 | simula | i haven't updated my firmware, does anyone have a link to a picture taken with the frontcam? |
| 18:24.49 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: that'd be nothing short of awesome... for deaf people, a realtime OCRish parser for sign language >:) |
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| 18:25.20 | cehteh | tybollt: just: who holds the device? |
| 18:25.36 | tybollt | cehteh: duuuh, it's got a stand built in :D |
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| 18:25.39 | SpeedEvil | It's better than it was |
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| 18:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: wow. sounds like a nice idea nevertheless |
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| 18:26.35 | SpeedEvil | gaze trakcing would be utterly awesome |
| 18:26.41 | cehteh | well just *simple* gestures like moving hand up/down left/right or so would be nice already |
| 18:26.48 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 18:27.11 | tybollt | cehteh: give the finger and have the phone interpret it as... well >:) |
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| 18:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for that it will be really too crappy |
| 18:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | (gaze) |
| 18:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | simula: I dunno how to take pics with frontcam |
| 18:30.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/front.ppm |
| 18:30.55 | SpeedEvil | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vo pnm |
| 18:31.05 | tybollt | ppm? :S |
| 18:31.20 | SpeedEvil | This is an image of my laptop screen, with it set to brightest |
| 18:31.22 | cehteh | thats at least much better than before |
| 18:32.06 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:32.14 | SpeedEvil | by quite a lot |
| 18:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | "gwenview can not display content of type application/octet-stream" baah |
| 18:32.46 | Caesium | what's ppm? Opera won't touch it |
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| 18:32.57 | MOUD | Hello |
| 18:34.03 | MOUD | I just upgraded my phone's firmware and now I can't see my songs and videos folder (before they were working) |
| 18:34.16 | MOUD | how can I fix it? |
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| 18:35.23 | SpeedEvil | As a comparison - http://www.mauve.plus.com/back.ppm - is an image of the same conditions. (not focussed properly) |
| 18:35.28 | lcuk | arhhh fuck im shooting slectric sparks out of my fingertips |
| 18:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | Caesium: man ppm |
| 18:35.44 | lcuk | i just zapped computer and n900, is it like safe? |
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| 18:36.15 | angasuleN810 | lcuk: probably not |
| 18:36.35 | angasuleN810 | lcuk, I used to reset my cellphone that way |
| 18:36.37 | frals | lcuk: evolving in to a superhero? |
| 18:36.43 | fnordianslip | anyone have any opinions on focus stealing on maemo5? it annoys me when i launch an app, and switch to another, as the app I launched steals focus when it is ready. it should stay in the background until i switch to it, in my opinion. |
| 18:36.58 | ShadowJK_ | fnordianslip, I agree. |
| 18:37.24 | cehteh | agrees too |
| 18:37.30 | angasuleN810 | fnordianslip, that's annoying and happens in diablo, too |
| 18:37.30 | ShadowJK_ | I just noticed that gpodder steals focus even after having launched. I picked ot update all feeds, and switched to xchat, then gpodder stole focus once the update was complete, to display list of new episodes |
| 18:37.31 | fnordianslip | i wonder if it is a bug, or a feature |
| 18:37.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/front.jpg and http://www.mauve.plus.com/back.jpg |
| 18:37.36 | Cas07 | @MOUD what release have you installed and have you searched the talk forums? |
| 18:37.37 | SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: bug |
| 18:37.40 | angasuleN810 | also, your nickname is too long |
| 18:37.42 | SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: start an app install |
| 18:37.48 | SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: switch to another app |
| 18:37.50 | angasuleN810 | I need tab completion! |
| 18:38.03 | SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: come back, and wonder why your keyboard isn't working |
| 18:38.12 | SpeedEvil | as the 'app installed' banner stole focus |
| 18:38.14 | fnordianslip | is too long? you should see the derivatives |
| 18:38.32 | fnordianslip | SpeedEvil: i think that might have been fixed, not sure though |
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| 18:38.57 | MOUD | Cas07: I have Version 2.2009.51-1.003 and I haven't checked the talk forums yet |
| 18:39.02 | tybollt | meh :) |
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| 18:39.34 | xorAxAx | ivan4th: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6365 |
| 18:39.35 | povbot` | Bug 6365: maemo-xinput-sounds uses all available CPU |
| 18:40.13 | wazd_e63 | Reheya |
| 18:40.17 | xorAxAx | > 100% of the time is in state C0 at 600MHz |
| 18:40.17 | xorAxAx | According to Igor's summit lightning talk that WILL fry the CPU. Bumping |
| 18:40.17 | xorAxAx | severity. |
| 18:40.21 | xorAxAx | umm |
| 18:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | angasuleN810: you need tab completion ;-P |
| 18:40.32 | angasuleN810 | I do! |
| 18:40.36 | xorAxAx | anybody heard his lightning talk? |
| 18:40.37 | fnordianslip | angasuleN810: my nick is shorter than yours, btw :) |
| 18:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | angasuleN810: so why don't you configure xchat to *do* tab completion for you? |
| 18:42.01 | angasuleN810 | same length, actually :-P |
| 18:42.25 | angasuleN810 | I tried, but I couldn't figure it out |
| 18:42.37 | angasuleN810 | ok, I didn't try *hard* |
| 18:42.42 | fnordianslip | angasuleN810: in chars, perhaps, but not in my font |
| 18:43.02 | pupnik_ | i heard it xorAxAx |
| 18:43.34 | angasuleN810 | I'm usiing a fixed width font, weird |
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| 18:43.49 | xorAxAx | pupnik_: and, does it fry the cpu? :) |
| 18:44.13 | MOUD | Cas07: case solved, I just had to restart my device |
| 18:44.19 | MOUD | thanks anyways |
| 18:44.27 | pupnik_ | i just got a flat tire. so i decided to chat with n900 before going outside the car to fix |
| 18:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | angasuleN810: settings -> key shortcuts. find "nick comp(letion)". asign key combo |
| 18:44.44 | SpeedEvil | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf denoise3d=50:50:50 |
| 18:44.45 | pupnik_ | strange luxury to have internet everywhere... |
| 18:44.46 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
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| 18:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: indeed |
| 18:45.19 | pupnik_ | very high denoise settings SpeedEvil how does it look |
| 18:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | kinda adicting |
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| 18:46.41 | angasuleN810 | DocScrutinizer, uhm, I just found out about chr :-P |
| 18:46.43 | pupnik_ | try lower settings. too much ghosting |
| 18:46.54 | angasuleN810 | | |
| 18:47.02 | angasuleN810 | I HAVE TEH PIPE |
| 18:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | angasuleN810: huh? |
| 18:47.10 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: smooth - but blobby |
| 18:48.21 | bekoz | what are we talking about? |
| 18:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | angasuleN810: novice user? :-) |
| 18:48.30 | pupnik_ | 10:10:10 gives normal rresults here |
| 18:48.42 | angasuleN810 | DocScrutinizer, yeap, relatively |
| 18:48.53 | jebba | "The problem you are seeing is called last mile acceleration and should not be there. It tries to be helpful and opens the zip on the fly for you, which is not what apt-get wants. Mailing support to turn it off." -Tero. How is this not thought of in advance? |
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| 18:49.39 | angasuleN810 | he multiplies! |
| 18:50.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | angasuleN810: well I'm using this lovely gadget since almost 2 years now :-) |
| 18:50.20 | uhsf | mplayer tv:// on the N900? |
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| 18:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: WTF??? |
| 18:51.31 | angasuleN810 | I've had it since christmas |
| 18:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | angasuleN810: I'm such a fanboy I even got me a spare, just in case :-P |
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| 18:53.04 | angasuleN810 | DocScrutinizer, got an N900? |
| 18:53.09 | Cas07 | @uhsf run from xterm |
| 18:53.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | angasuleN810: as well, yes |
| 18:53.38 | angasuleN810 | DocScrutinizer, I kinda hate your guts :-D |
| 18:53.59 | villager | jebba: I figured the provider enables it by default and whoever moved providers didn't know that? |
| 18:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | was inevitable as I always dreamt of a N810 with GSM modem |
| 18:54.07 | Cas07 | @speedevil didnt realise that easy :) |
| 18:54.09 | villager | jebba: just assumed it would work like a regular webserver |
| 18:55.12 | angasuleN810 | DocScrutinizer, I'm dreaming of moving to NL, then getting an N900 and iRex iLiad and a pony |
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| 19:01.59 | xorAxAx | sigh, i want an nntp frontend for tmo |
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| 19:05.07 | dmj726_n900 | capitalization in the virtual keyboard seems broken after pr1.1 |
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| 19:05.24 | dmj726_n900 | anybody else noticed this? |
| 19:06.13 | Cas07 | if you mean gestures there is a forum post about it |
| 19:07.55 | Cas07 | dmj726_n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40804 |
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| 19:09.37 | konttori | dmj726_n900: you need to open control panel and set the auto-capitalization to your liking |
| 19:10.25 | angasuleN810 | I lIkE iT lIkE tHiS |
| 19:10.43 | angasuleN810 | is a 13 year old girl :-P |
| 19:10.43 | aep | umm any idea why my n900 doesnt resolve the local domain? /etc/resolv.conf shows 170.0.0.1 which is odd |
| 19:10.46 | hrw | Jaffa: you have my repo enabled? |
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| 19:12.29 | aep | i guess i can't just edit /etc/resolv.conf, can i? it will be overriden by some tool |
| 19:12.36 | Jaffa | hrw: not yet |
| 19:13.05 | smps | aep, yes, but in connection setting on your phone you can manually add dns server |
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| 19:13.13 | aep | ah nice. |
| 19:13.30 | aep | why doesnt it use my local one (which it gets via dhcp) in the first place? |
| 19:13.40 | smps | aep, it does |
| 19:13.52 | aep | well no. resolv.conf says 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:13.59 | aep | and i cant resolv the local domain# |
| 19:14.04 | smps | aep, yes but locally you have "dnsmasq" |
| 19:14.12 | smps | aep, which listens for it |
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| 19:14.19 | aep | ah, for what? |
| 19:14.22 | smps | aep, how do you try it ? |
| 19:14.26 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx++ |
| 19:14.26 | aep | ping |
| 19:14.44 | aep | "ping barf" which resolvs on other computers in my network just fone |
| 19:14.58 | smps | aep, try "ping barf.domain" |
| 19:15.08 | smps | aep, where ".domain" is your local domain |
| 19:15.09 | aep | good catch |
| 19:15.46 | hrw | Jaffa: modest with your requests is there.... |
| 19:15.59 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 19:16.11 | timeless_mbp | MfE Folders triggers an annoying "feature" in modest |
| 19:16.17 | aep | hey that works, except it asks for a root password |
| 19:16.17 | tybollt | do tell |
| 19:16.23 | aep | what root password? |
| 19:16.30 | aep | oO |
| 19:16.33 | smps | aep, what asks for root password ? |
| 19:16.37 | aep | ping |
| 19:16.42 | aep | err well sudo ping |
| 19:16.48 | smps | !"§$%&/()=? |
| 19:16.48 | timeless_mbp | sudo gainroot |
| 19:16.49 | timeless_mbp | ping |
| 19:16.54 | aep | ah. thanks |
| 19:17.03 | timeless_mbp | you need to install 'rootsh' to use gainroot |
| 19:17.59 | aep | thats not in the gui installers list, and sudo apt asks for a password again :( |
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| 19:18.17 | Jaffa | hrw: cool, ta. I'll test when I get home. |
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| 19:18.58 | aep | oh there it is, never mind |
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| 19:19.52 | hrw | cool |
| 19:20.51 | aep | ssh from my phone to control my router which runs lastfm. that was worth the money! |
| 19:20.54 | aep | is happy |
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| 19:22.16 | rd | My N900 tries to signal me something with a "white" light where it usually signals emails, chats, missed calls witht the blue LED |
| 19:22.24 | SpeedEvil | it on |
| 19:22.31 | rd | Ic |
| 19:22.37 | rd | thanks |
| 19:22.38 | SpeedEvil | stupid - go to 'notification light' in setting |
| 19:22.41 | SpeedEvil | and turn it off |
| 19:22.53 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea why they decided this was a good ide |
| 19:22.53 | SpeedEvil | a |
| 19:23.15 | rd | Many thanks, I found it |
| 19:23.29 | wolf^ | SpeedEvil, at least you can turn it off, not like in n73 |
| 19:23.39 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 19:24.26 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, s/jffs/ubifs/ |
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| 19:24.34 | rd | I am wondering, did that come with a recent FW update or was it always there? |
| 19:24.35 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: oh - yeah - true |
| 19:24.42 | aep | ummm no pipe key? |
| 19:25.03 | aep | and no less |
| 19:25.21 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install less - with the tools repository enabled |
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| 19:26.10 | aep | ah where is that? |
| 19:26.23 | aep | i think i need to read some "introduction to hacking the n900" :D |
| 19:27.41 | aep | ah found |
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| 19:31.25 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, ping? |
| 19:31.36 | Arkenoi | http://www.neopwn.com/ that's damn great, i was thinking about creating a project like that myself |
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| 19:32.49 | RST38h | what is stopping you? |
| 19:33.51 | timeless_mbp | hey AndrewFBlack |
| 19:33.53 | timeless_mbp | is your theme fixed? |
| 19:34.02 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, yep |
| 19:34.22 | AndrewFBlack | going to be pushing to testing soon |
| 19:34.28 | timeless_mbp | err, soon? |
| 19:34.53 | timeless_mbp | where is nit now? |
| 19:34.57 | timeless_mbp | s/n// |
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| 19:36.16 | aep | hm how do i debug the browser? it just shows a white page and a loading animation forever |
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| 19:36.28 | aep | does this thing have a log or something? |
| 19:36.59 | xorAxAx | 20:32:45 -!- Irssi: New peak in #maemo@freenode : 558 |
| 19:37.14 | RST38h | where are they all coming from? |
| 19:38.13 | Jaffa | hrw: Doesn't show up in App Manager, AFAICT |
| 19:38.22 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, 1.2-6 just got done building I´m going to test it a while then move it to testing. All should be good its the same as last version just new App Manger Icons |
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| 19:39.11 | javispedro | wow, the autobuilder is now faster than this machine |
| 19:39.18 | timeless_mbp | AndrewFBlack: i'm stuck w/ maemo-org 1.1-3 |
| 19:39.24 | hrw | Jaffa: I did not touched packaging |
| 19:39.25 | X-Fade | javispedro: Heh ;) |
| 19:39.29 | aep | just calling "browser" from the commandline doesnt do anything :/ |
| 19:39.43 | timeless_mbp | aep: there's a browser dbus command for opening urls |
| 19:39.47 | hrw | Jaffa: Section: mail |
| 19:40.04 | aep | well i need the browser to open in terminal though to get at least som,e debug output |
| 19:40.20 | aep | the gui doesnt exactly tell you anything other then "please wait forever" |
| 19:40.32 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, if you want to update from devel then current version should update that one. You got 1.1-3 from devel also |
| 19:40.58 | red | is there any way to shut of the N900 screen while the phone is connected to TV? |
| 19:41.07 | red | guessing it would save some battery. |
| 19:41.13 | X-Fade | javispedro: You don't have dual quadcore Xeon with 32GB of RAM? How odd :) |
| 19:41.18 | Jaffa | hrw: HAM has the concept of trusted dupdate domains IIRC |
| 19:41.33 | AndrewFBlack | how come Build Queue and Latest Build not working on maemo.org anymore? |
| 19:41.49 | javispedro | X-Fade: hehe... nice! :) |
| 19:41.51 | X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: Haven't enabled that yet. |
| 19:41.58 | AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, ok |
| 19:42.18 | AndrewFBlack | btw, just want to say Site is running better then it ever as. |
| 19:42.27 | Jaffa | hrw: ah no, I might have a typo ;) |
| 19:42.34 | red | could anyone give me a url to wget bounce from? |
| 19:43.15 | red | or should the repo work already? |
| 19:43.26 | xorAxAx | red: you can echo 0 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness |
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| 19:44.10 | xorAxAx | probably in a watch loop |
| 19:44.21 | xorAxAx | watch "..." |
| 19:44.24 | X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: We will speed it up some more. |
| 19:44.46 | xorAxAx | X-Fade: by doing what? :) |
| 19:45.28 | AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, I´m just happy that I don´t time out uploading to extras anymore lol |
| 19:45.53 | X-Fade | xorAxAx: Improving the way caching etc works. And moving to a HA mysql cluster for the databases. |
| 19:46.13 | X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: Heh, no that should be solved now :) |
| 19:46.48 | timeless_mbp | aep: so um |
| 19:46.50 | timeless_mbp | about your browser |
| 19:47.00 | timeless_mbp | is browserd running in your process list? |
| 19:47.08 | timeless_mbp | and did you install anything *stupid* like browser-switchboard? |
| 19:47.24 | aep | i didnt install anything yet |
| 19:47.35 | aep | other then update |
| 19:47.48 | aep | i restarted the device. browser works again, until it crashes |
| 19:47.52 | timeless_mbp | well, what did you install *before* the update? |
| 19:47.54 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 19:48.01 | aep | nothing. i updated right away |
| 19:48.08 | timeless_mbp | so you haven't installed anything? |
| 19:48.14 | timeless_mbp | sorry, i'm used to users lying to me |
| 19:48.19 | timeless_mbp | and it's a very bad use of my time :) |
| 19:48.20 | aep | well yes rootsh |
| 19:48.28 | timeless_mbp | is that all? :) |
| 19:48.31 | aep | yes! |
| 19:48.33 | aep | :D |
| 19:48.49 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 19:48.58 | javispedro | 2:30 for a full build of vulture's eye. I think I'm going to stop local builds ;) |
| 19:49.03 | timeless_mbp | well, for now, how about installing 'crash-reporter' (it's probably in the 'tools' repository) |
| 19:49.10 | aep | ah nice. will do |
| 19:49.20 | timeless_mbp | when something crashes, try to include your email address or something similarly identifiable |
| 19:49.28 | aep | as soon as the browser stops crashing so i can enable the tools repo |
| 19:49.34 | aep | since the manual link is a 404 |
| 19:49.49 | lardman|home | how do I tell if something is optified? |
| 19:49.51 | timeless_mbp | ?? |
| 19:49.52 | aep | so i guess i have to use this one click thing |
| 19:49.57 | javispedro | RST38h: diablo vulture's eye is up (also updated fremantle one again, using gzip for savefiles) |
| 19:50.12 | timeless_mbp | you can always manually enter repository bits |
| 19:50.13 | timeless_mbp | Tools |
| 19:50.19 | timeless_mbp | http://repository.maemo.org |
| 19:50.21 | timeless_mbp | fremantle/tools |
| 19:50.23 | timeless_mbp | free non-free |
| 19:50.25 | Jaffa | lardman|home: grep /opt /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list |
| 19:50.26 | javispedro | RST38h: of course the diablo one is working, and at a playable speed. |
| 19:50.28 | timeless_mbp | [ ] Do not use |
| 19:50.36 | aep | timeless_mbp: says refresh failed. 404 |
| 19:50.37 | lardman|home | Jaffa: before I install it? |
| 19:50.47 | Jaffa | lardman|home: or it installs under /usr/lib/python2.5 |
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| 19:50.57 | Jaffa | lardman|home: dpkg -c on the deb? ;) |
| 19:51.01 | lardman|home | Jaffa: I hope not for gnuplot ;) |
| 19:51.08 | lardman|home | ah, ok :) |
| 19:51.48 | RST38h | javispedro: !!! |
| 19:51.53 | RST38h | javispedro: thanks =) |
| 19:52.10 | lardman|home | ah good, gnuplot is fwiw |
| 19:52.15 | lardman|home | would be nice for HAM to tell us that |
| 19:52.38 | RST38h | javispedro: Should I promote Fremantle one to testing and make a tmo post warning people to uninstall the previous version? |
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| 19:53.28 | javispedro | RST38h: yes, if you find the usual functionality is OK in the new one |
| 19:54.08 | javispedro | (it's -1maemo5 fwiw) |
| 19:54.41 | MaemohammadAG | if i disable the vibrator module from mce, will anything happen to the device? |
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| 19:57.15 | RST38h | javis: I played it for a while, feels ok |
| 19:57.19 | aep | ah great got it working |
| 19:57.44 | RST38h | javis: omg, maemo.org/package is not found on the server |
| 19:57.47 | RST38h | packages |
| 19:58.03 | cehteh | MaemohammadAG: it wont vibrate anymore .. well dont forget to restart mce |
| 19:58.17 | javispedro | hmm http://maemo.org/packages/view/vultures/ ? |
| 19:58.35 | RST38h | this works |
| 19:58.38 | MaemohammadAG | cehteh, it doesn't vibrate now |
| 19:58.40 | javispedro | ah yes, the new one is not yet there |
| 19:58.53 | MaemohammadAG | just makes the sound and till i get it fixed i'm disabling it |
| 19:58.56 | cehteh | did that too .. at least for incomming emails |
| 19:58.57 | pupnik | javispedro: do you think the bypassing pulse idea is bad or good? |
| 19:59.00 | javispedro | RST38h: wait a bit and promote -1maemo5 |
| 19:59.06 | cehteh | i dont want it vibrating every few minutes |
| 19:59.14 | RST38h | javispedro: apply as a package maintainer, two is better than one |
| 19:59.25 | RST38h | pupnik: IMHO bad |
| 19:59.33 | MaemohammadAG | well the vibrator's broken so loading it is pointless |
| 19:59.33 | javispedro | pupnik: I don't mind. if it can break the speakers, then bad. |
| 19:59.48 | MaemohammadAG | now i have to find a way to get rid of the startup vibration |
| 19:59.49 | RST38h | No idea what it will do, hence bad |
| 20:00.05 | RST38h | On the other hand, we do not quite know what PA does =( |
| 20:00.41 | pupnik | it arbitrates access between apps, runs eq (xprot), and takes care of buffering and format/samplerate conversion |
| 20:00.49 | cehteh | MaemohammadAG: thats prolly hardcoded into the bootloader already .. iirc it vibrates very early |
| 20:00.59 | X-Fade | approving.... |
| 20:01.29 | RST38h | thanks =) |
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| 20:04.42 | red | anyone suggest any game for dosbox? so far tested larry 1 :) |
| 20:05.02 | oscillik | DOOM |
| 20:05.08 | pupnik | no |
| 20:05.12 | gevaerts | Is there a way to make the fm transmitter keep transmitting if there's no sound playing? |
| 20:05.22 | ml-N900 | it does |
| 20:05.29 | ml-N900 | it transmits beeps |
| 20:05.38 | gevaerts | true |
| 20:05.47 | MaemohammadAG | cehteh, oh kk |
| 20:06.10 | gevaerts | although I get the impression that it shuts off after a while |
| 20:06.23 | MaemohammadAG | it does |
| 20:06.28 | cehteh | for powersaving reasons prolly |
| 20:06.31 | ml-N900 | red: Descent! (good luck controlling it!) |
| 20:06.50 | gevaerts | I'd like to use it for RDS only |
| 20:07.04 | cehteh | transmit silence |
| 20:07.28 | gevaerts | that works of course, but it's slightly more work |
| 20:07.48 | cehteh | how that? |
| 20:08.06 | gevaerts | you have to keep track of it |
| 20:08.48 | gevaerts | has to think about this |
| 20:09.00 | koala_man | so my screen appears to be stuck sideways (portrait mode). what's supposed to trigger it to change? |
| 20:09.41 | X-Fade | koala_man: lock screen, press powerbuttton, slide on screen to unlock. |
| 20:09.51 | xorAxAx | IMHO the portrait detection is broken and a bit unusable because it triggers sometimes in the wrong moment or not at all. thats probably the reason why its not enabled by default |
| 20:09.54 | X-Fade | And yes, that is a bug ;) |
| 20:10.04 | koala_man | X-Fade: oh, nice. thanks |
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| 20:10.49 | red | ml-N900: rofl |
| 20:10.59 | red | 22:00 < red> anyone suggest any game for dosbox? so far tested larry 1 :) |
| 20:11.13 | red | let me rephrase - those who have used dosbox on n900 - any suggestions? |
| 20:11.22 | red | i've read the forum threads mostly :) |
| 20:11.26 | xorAxAx | alleycat |
| 20:11.28 | xorAxAx | skyroads |
| 20:11.41 | lardman|home | hmm, is there a generic env var I can set to make things ignore python2.3 in preference to python2.5? |
| 20:11.43 | xorAxAx | commander keen |
| 20:11.45 | xorAxAx | lemmings |
| 20:12.00 | xorAxAx | jill |
| 20:12.02 | MaemohammadAG | cehteh, how do i restart mce? |
| 20:12.05 | igagis_ | hi |
| 20:12.13 | hrw | lardman|home: sbox has python2.3? |
| 20:12.30 | xorAxAx | red: is that enough? |
| 20:12.31 | hrw | o fuck.. it has |
| 20:12.37 | RST38h | pupnik: Does not arbitrate well enough, judging by that stupid lockup bug |
| 20:12.45 | lardman|home | hrw: yep, pretty advanced stuff ;) |
| 20:13.08 | hrw | lardman|home: nokia is poor company |
| 20:13.10 | RST38h | reminds hrw of sb2 existance |
| 20:13.19 | igagis_ | hello all |
| 20:13.23 | hrw | RST38h: and madde |
| 20:13.23 | xorAxAx | RST38h: is it already maemo compatible? |
| 20:13.38 | igagis_ | can someone help me with this? http://pastebin.org/78323 |
| 20:13.40 | hrw | RST38h: official way is 'use sbox1' and I keep that way |
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| 20:13.44 | red | xorAxAx: ty |
| 20:13.58 | xorAxAx | red: never tried most of them, though |
| 20:14.12 | RST38h | xorAxAx: SB2? I develop with it. |
| 20:14.26 | RST38h | hrw: Official way is also "use autoconf" |
| 20:14.36 | RST38h | hrw: But I refuse to go mad. |
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| 20:15.18 | RST38h | hrw: So, yes, just forgetting about sb1 may not be such a bad idea |
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| 20:15.25 | AndrewFBlack | strange are repos faster then maemo.com/packages now just updated to newest version of my theme but update isn´t showing on site |
| 20:15.26 | hrw | RST38h: I like autoconf |
| 20:15.33 | RST38h | hrw: What for? |
| 20:15.54 | RST38h | it is "solving" preciously few actual problems nowadays |
| 20:15.56 | xorAxAx | RST38h: are there debs? |
| 20:16.09 | RST38h | xorAxAx: ? yes, sb2 can create debs |
| 20:16.16 | xorAxAx | RST38h: no, for sb2 installation |
| 20:17.19 | hrw | bye all |
| 20:17.35 | xorAxAx | RST38h: or do i need to install from source? |
| 20:17.41 | hrw | RST38h: I prefer to work with soft which uses autoconf then other crazy ways |
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| 20:18.22 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 20:18.29 | xorAxAx | ah, there is http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html |
| 20:18.31 | aep | is my device broken? i get frequent crashes with browser, xchat, etc |
| 20:18.37 | rom1dep | hello ! Just a dumb question... Where are stored the files of the "Documents" directory ? I had a quick look in ~ but I think there is a special pounting point for these dirs... |
| 20:18.50 | javispedro | on any of the cpumem-applets, when the cpu usage is 100%, does the bar turn red or blue? |
| 20:18.50 | rom1dep | mounting* |
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| 20:18.55 | javispedro | s/on/in |
| 20:22.18 | Shadikka | rom1dep: They're in hidden folders, try ls -a |
| 20:22.19 | javispedro | rom1dep: ~/MyDocs/.documents |
| 20:22.30 | Shadikka | oh, sorry, misread |
| 20:22.37 | Shadikka | Yeah, just as javispedro said. |
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| 20:23.17 | xorAxAx | does anyone know if it is possible to configure the file open dialog to also show e.g. the home directory? |
| 20:23.41 | javispedro | ah, the bar blinks red. |
| 20:23.48 | javispedro | :( |
| 20:24.15 | pupnik | xorAxAx: just pretend mydocs is your home dir |
| 20:24.25 | red | wonder if X-COM series work on N900 dosbox |
| 20:24.26 | pupnik | it gets backed-up |
| 20:24.34 | red | gotta try to find and play |
| 20:24.41 | rom1dep | thanks Shadikka and javispedro ! On my desktop I have -a in my aliases so I totaly forgot to try that >.< |
| 20:24.49 | xorAxAx | pupnik: a) it is fat b) ruskie made it too small |
| 20:24.56 | xorAxAx | evil ruskie |
| 20:25.29 | pupnik | any hi-fi music fans /msg me |
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| 20:25.41 | xorAxAx | pupnik: for what? |
| 20:26.06 | pupnik | need advice |
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| 20:30.59 | rom1dep | has anyone here tested msn-pacan on the n900 ? |
| 20:33.52 | tuxer | works pretty good for me |
| 20:34.13 | MaemohammadAG | rom1dep, best of all 3 imo |
| 20:34.28 | tuxer | agreed |
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| 20:35.50 | MaemohammadAG | haze kept having server problems |
| 20:35.54 | rom1dep | tuxer: MaemohammadAG: did you built it or is theresomething available in the repos ? |
| 20:35.58 | MaemohammadAG | the no named one kept disappearing |
| 20:36.05 | MaemohammadAG | it's on the repos |
| 20:36.26 | MaemohammadAG | like a person would show up as online but there's no button to chat |
| 20:36.35 | MaemohammadAG | also green LED for IM FTW |
| 20:37.02 | tuxer | rom1dep: it's in devel or testing |
| 20:37.24 | lardman|home | hmm, so do I need to create a file to enable optification, or will it just happen (talking about random libs I'm packaging up here) |
| 20:37.43 | MohammadAG | anyone found a way to set up xchat notifications? |
| 20:38.14 | rom1dep | tuxer: thanks ! so I'll switch to testing :) |
| 20:38.18 | lardman|home | xchat allows binary plugins doesn't it? |
| 20:38.28 | MohammadAG | not sure |
| 20:38.37 | MohammadAG | perl/tcl/python on a pc |
| 20:38.45 | lardman|home | python would do |
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| 20:39.08 | lardman|home | twiddles thumbs waiting for QHull tests to finish |
| 20:39.12 | MohammadAG | step by step? |
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| 20:39.46 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: find LED control code in Python, find example xchat plugin, merge ;) |
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| 20:40.08 | MohammadAG | you're good at step by step-s :p |
| 20:40.23 | lardman|home | thanks :) |
| 20:40.25 | lardman|home | ;) |
| 20:40.32 | xorAxAx | RST38h: how do you do the gui tests? it says: Error: Binary-only supplement package not available for fremantle5.0minimal_armel. |
| 20:40.33 | MohammadAG | np :p |
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| 20:43.02 | ruskie | xorAxAx, or generate a vfat image and loop mount it on MyDocs ;) |
| 20:43.25 | xorAxAx | RST38h: make: *** [clean] Segmentation fault |
| 20:43.34 | xorAxAx | RST38h: doesnt look usable yet :) |
| 20:43.48 | crashanddie | sup! |
| 20:44.14 | xorAxAx | ruskie: hmm |
| 20:44.22 | xorAxAx | ruskie: currently i am bindmounting like hell |
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| 20:45.08 | ruskie | see the rest of the repartitioning thread... it mentions this option as well |
| 20:45.23 | MohammadAG | how do i start mce again? |
| 20:45.27 | MohammadAG | i killed it |
| 20:45.42 | ruskie | tried start mce |
| 20:45.53 | xorAxAx | ruskie: the option to create an image? |
| 20:46.11 | ruskie | xorAxAx, as an alternative to a real MyDocs partition |
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| 20:47.09 | MohammadAG | well that was a stupid question |
| 20:47.14 | MohammadAG | thanks ruskie |
| 20:47.14 | ruskie | ? |
| 20:47.22 | ruskie | there are no stupid questions |
| 20:47.24 | MohammadAG | start mce |
| 20:47.28 | ruskie | and I could have been wrong |
| 20:47.35 | ruskie | ls /etc/event.d |
| 20:47.37 | MohammadAG | actually it was lol |
| 20:47.41 | ruskie | you can start name or stop name |
| 20:47.44 | ruskie | for anything in that dir |
| 20:47.48 | ruskie | I think |
| 20:47.54 | ruskie | not used to upstart |
| 20:48.03 | RST38h | xorAxAx: Well, works-for-me |
| 20:48.06 | MohammadAG | i knew about start and stop, that's why i said it was stupid |
| 20:48.18 | RST38h | xorAxAx: What host OS / toolchain / bootstrap are you using? |
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| 20:49.26 | igagis_ | cannot ping the maemo.org |
| 20:49.30 | woglinde | jo |
| 20:49.31 | xorAxAx | RST38h: ubuntu 9.10, armel, fremantle |
| 20:50.30 | oscillik | ruskie: sorry to be a pain, but i'm getting "resolving host timed out: repo.codemages.net" while trying to install gcoreutils...anything i can do to get this working? |
| 20:50.39 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 20:50.46 | ruskie | oscillik, try pinging it |
| 20:50.48 | MohammadAG | the orange led isn't the same as the red one |
| 20:50.55 | ruskie | MohammadAG, naturally not |
| 20:51.08 | MohammadAG | i thought the orange one was named red |
| 20:51.11 | ruskie | MohammadAG, orange is orange red is red |
| 20:51.23 | MohammadAG | not if you're colourblind :P |
| 20:51.23 | oscillik | ruskie: i'm getting a response when pinging |
| 20:51.27 | ruskie | I think it's a multi colour led |
| 20:51.29 | ruskie | oscillik, odd |
| 20:51.40 | MohammadAG | (i'm not, thankfully) |
| 20:51.54 | ruskie | MohammadAG, so you can play with red green and blue values on it |
| 20:51.56 | MohammadAG | it is, but i thought it was 3 colours only |
| 20:52.01 | ruskie | oscillik, tried apt-get update? |
| 20:52.16 | MohammadAG | what about orange? |
| 20:52.24 | MohammadAG | is it for charging only? |
| 20:52.42 | ruskie | MohammadAG, no... go to an online colour picker |
| 20:53.03 | ruskie | and pick a colour then you'll need what values you need |
| 20:53.08 | ruskie | not sure what mce uses |
| 20:53.13 | MohammadAG | letters |
| 20:53.17 | MohammadAG | r/g/b |
| 20:53.38 | MohammadAG | plus it has different patterns for different devices |
| 20:53.42 | MohammadAG | RX44 |
| 20:53.54 | MohammadAG | RX51 (this one obviously) |
| 20:54.00 | MohammadAG | and a few others |
| 20:54.21 | oscillik | ruskie: just did update. now when i try to install it says "failed to fetch https://repo.codemages.net/opt/opt/gcoreutils_8.1-1_armel_opt.deb the requested URL returned error: 404" |
| 20:54.28 | ruskie | what's the lowest led colour number? and the highest? |
| 20:54.30 | pronto | any easy way to disable smilies in text messages? |
| 20:54.39 | ruskie | pronto, no |
| 20:54.41 | Shadikka | violence |
| 20:54.42 | pronto | damn |
| 20:54.47 | RST38h | xorAxax: Again, what toolchain? |
| 20:54.58 | ruskie | oscillik, it's not opt/opt |
| 20:55.01 | pronto | does that hexedit method still work with that pr1.1 |
| 20:55.02 | ruskie | oscillik, your deb line is wrong |
| 20:55.02 | RST38h | xorAxAx: AFAIK, you have to use the latest toolchain, then it works |
| 20:55.03 | xorAxAx | RST38h: arm-2007q3 |
| 20:55.07 | ruskie | pronto, probably |
| 20:55.12 | xorAxAx | what is the latest one, RST38h? |
| 20:55.18 | ruskie | oscillik, it's deb https://repo.codemages.net/opt ./ |
| 20:55.21 | RST38h | xorAxAx: compiler looks ok |
| 20:55.30 | ruskie | you apprantely have deb https://repo.codemages.net/opt opt |
| 20:55.33 | RST38h | xorAxAx: What about the tools (etch-what?) |
| 20:55.39 | xorAxAx | lenny |
| 20:55.48 | RST38h | xorAxAx: that may be it |
| 20:56.10 | RST38h | vaguely remembers getting a coredump with the wrong tools |
| 20:56.23 | xorAxAx | lenny-2009-1 |
| 20:56.32 | RST38h | hmm |
| 20:56.35 | oscillik | ruskie: odd. the entry in App Manager is "https://repo.codemages.net/opt/" |
| 20:56.43 | ruskie | oscillik, that is correct |
| 20:56.49 | ruskie | oscillik, what about component and the other entry? |
| 20:56.58 | oscillik | component is "/" |
| 20:57.03 | oscillik | hang on |
| 20:57.04 | oscillik | no |
| 20:57.13 | oscillik | distribution is / |
| 20:57.14 | ruskie | the last field should be blank |
| 20:57.17 | ruskie | the other one should be ./ |
| 20:57.18 | oscillik | yeah it is :-s |
| 20:57.30 | oscillik | lemme try it again |
| 20:57.38 | ruskie | check in case the line extends further for the location |
| 20:58.40 | woglinde | hms |
| 20:58.59 | ruskie | oscillik, check also what this returns: grep codemages /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 20:59.08 | ruskie | hmm |
| 20:59.13 | oscillik | in the distribution field it had "/" instead of "./", so i'm gonna try again now i changed it |
| 20:59.19 | ruskie | actually should be deb https://repo.codemages.net opt/ |
| 20:59.23 | ruskie | apparently |
| 20:59.25 | ruskie | atleast that's what I have |
| 20:59.26 | ruskie | odd |
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| 21:01.30 | oscillik | ruskie: it's still putting /opt/opt :-s |
| 21:01.36 | ruskie | oscillik, try with https://repo.codemages.net |
| 21:01.39 | oscillik | i'm gonna remove /opt from the url altogether |
| 21:01.41 | oscillik | yeah :D |
| 21:01.42 | ruskie | and opt/ for distro |
| 21:02.17 | oscillik | just waiting for App Manager to respond so i can change it |
| 21:03.05 | rom1dep | tuxer: me again, can you give me the exact name of the msn-pecan package please ? |
| 21:03.37 | MohammadAG | telepathy-msn-pecan rom1dep |
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| 21:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-18 21:37:43] (<MohammadAG> anyone found a way to set up xchat notifications?) Yup |
| 21:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | moment, I'll paste it |
| 21:04.44 | oscillik | ruskie: sucess :D (i think) |
| 21:04.48 | MohammadAG | thanks :D |
| 21:05.12 | rom1dep | apt-get install telepathy-msn-pecan it's probbably in devel, not in testing |
| 21:05.18 | MohammadAG | sees it's not only him who reads scrollbacks |
| 21:06.20 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: finally have wifi (never thought the mbp could act as an AP xD), how do you recommend I update the n900? |
| 21:06.38 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, HAM |
| 21:06.47 | MohammadAG | you can use apt-get dist-upgrade too |
| 21:06.49 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: still claims the repos are down, even though the forums yell other things |
| 21:07.02 | MohammadAG | they're working for me |
| 21:07.21 | crashanddie | could be my akamai routing is dodgy -- i'm on the other face of the planet |
| 21:07.31 | oscillik | ruskie: many thanks, that sorted it out |
| 21:07.32 | crashanddie | but maemo extras and extras-devel is still down |
| 21:07.53 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: oh hang on, I don't need those do I? |
| 21:08.03 | crashanddie | because the servers hosting it are the Nokia ones, so completely different |
| 21:08.03 | MohammadAG | nope lol |
| 21:08.34 | MohammadAG | nokia repos have always been up |
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| 21:09.07 | woglinde | crashanddie hm I installed libimlib2 |
| 21:09.15 | woglinde | so extras-devel is up for me |
| 21:09.20 | crashanddie | k |
| 21:09.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/f2d1ca246 |
| 21:10.12 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, did an apt-get update, they're up |
| 21:10.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, thanks, will have a look |
| 21:10.26 | crashanddie | for you -- not necessarily for me |
| 21:11.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: then in settings enter '/home/user/.xchat2/notify.sh' for *audio playback* program |
| 21:11.11 | rom1dep | it's amazing how the maemo community is active and how oyou can find everything on the repos Oo |
| 21:11.28 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:11.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: simple like that |
| 21:12.07 | davyg | about repo, still down ? |
| 21:12.16 | woglinde | davyg no |
| 21:12.28 | timeless_mbp | updates crash-reporter |
| 21:13.02 | davyg | woglinde, ok thanks time to update then |
| 21:14.26 | teilzeitstudent | Is there some guide somewhere detailing the theming mechanism of maemo? like..file syntaxes, locations, filename-to-application icon mapping etc? tried looking at some theme .debs, but that'd be mainly guesswork.. |
| 21:14.36 | Shrik3 | what's the correct package if I want to install python on my N810 (diablo) |
| 21:14.44 | timeless_mbp | teilzeitstudent: there's thememaker |
| 21:14.48 | timeless_mbp | which is what people typically use |
| 21:15.04 | timeless_mbp | it basically gives you a layout whicih you paint over |
| 21:15.07 | Jaffa | crashanddie: ping |
| 21:15.15 | crashanddie | Jaffa: pong, but not for long |
| 21:15.23 | teilzeitstudent | timeless_mbp, yea but I'm not so much interessted atmaking themes (they'd look horribly :>), just..you know.. poking around |
| 21:15.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, what's the dbus for the led again? |
| 21:16.03 | MohammadAG | cause my vib. is broken |
| 21:16.29 | crashanddie | your vibrator is broken? |
| 21:17.03 | MohammadAG | n900 vibrator yes |
| 21:17.05 | teilzeitstudent | For example, a simpler way to convert basic gnome, kde, freedesktop icon themes to maemo |
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| 21:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-activate-led |
| 21:17.30 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, the way you asked that was a bit weird o.O |
| 21:18.29 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Was just wondering about MWKN technologies. |
| 21:18.32 | oscillik | ruskie: just one more question - where doe the gcoreutils install to? |
| 21:18.50 | crashanddie | Jaffa: what about them? |
| 21:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you probably need to find a way to send http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-deactivate-led eventually though |
| 21:19.14 | Jaffa | crashanddie: If you had any preferences, if you wanted to be involved in the dev |
| 21:19.16 | MohammadAG | well it stopped |
| 21:19.25 | MohammadAG | i ran the .sh outside xchat |
| 21:19.31 | MohammadAG | in terminal, as a test |
| 21:19.38 | MohammadAG | and it stopped |
| 21:19.39 | ruskie | oscillik, they are all in your path... just prefixed with g |
| 21:19.40 | crashanddie | Jaffa: not Java, because we're going to be flying off Reggie's servers. So obviously PHP, prolly MySQL. You had a nice little lib you'd found regarding javascript foo |
| 21:19.45 | MohammadAG | thought it was infinite |
| 21:19.53 | ruskie | oscillik, you can do a dpkg -L gcoreutils to see a full list |
| 21:20.01 | teilzeitstudent | oscillik, if you have a .deb file, you can extract it, extract the "data.tar.gz" therein, that directory structure is the one used afaik |
| 21:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: me too |
| 21:20.15 | ruskie | teilzeitstudent, why go to all that trouble? |
| 21:20.22 | crashanddie | Jaffa: that is for the interface, how we gather data is something else, maybe (and prolly) PHP isn't best adapter for that. And maybe we'll have to run it off somewhere else |
| 21:20.27 | ruskie | teilzeitstudent, dpkg --contents deb will list that as well ;) |
| 21:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you may try different patern though |
| 21:20.36 | oscillik | ruskie: thanks. colour LS now :D |
| 21:20.41 | teilzeitstudent | ruskie, I always forget the commands, plus I do not use .debs normally :p |
| 21:20.43 | crashanddie | Jaffa: I don't mind providing for an additional server that would run an aggregation bot |
| 21:20.47 | ruskie | teilzeitstudent, I don't as well |
| 21:20.55 | ruskie | teilzeitstudent, infact I don't use any binary distros really |
| 21:20.55 | crashanddie | if we go that way, haven't thought about it really |
| 21:21.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what's the play-sound for? |
| 21:21.02 | oscillik | teilzeitstudent: thanks for that additional info :) |
| 21:21.06 | ruskie | oscillik, you can even alias ls=gls |
| 21:21.06 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:21.14 | oscillik | ruskie: oh i totally shall |
| 21:21.22 | teilzeitstudent | ruskie, so..another gentoo user? |
| 21:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: o.O |
| 21:21.29 | ruskie | teilzeitstudent, not at all |
| 21:21.31 | woglinde | dpkg -X unpacks it |
| 21:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | to play sound?? |
| 21:21.35 | ruskie | source mage dev :) |
| 21:21.38 | teilzeitstudent | but? |
| 21:21.43 | crashanddie | Jaffa: the problem I see is if we go querying every single TMO thread, plus every single twitter post that has a specific hashtag, plus every single ML thread, the app is going to be butt-slow |
| 21:22.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, play-sound $1 |
| 21:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | does exactly that |
| 21:22.29 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Start off with letting the human contributors find the ML and TMO posts; use the Twitter REST API to collect their data. |
| 21:22.39 | crashanddie | k |
| 21:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | play sound which xchat passes as filename 1. parameter |
| 21:22.56 | Jaffa | was planning on running it on his own server since a) I can control it; b) I know the technologies it can run and c) well, I'm paying for it already ;-) |
| 21:23.01 | MohammadAG | so it's not a sound right? |
| 21:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: huh? |
| 21:23.19 | crashanddie | Jaffa: fair enough, didn't know you had a server running |
| 21:23.27 | MohammadAG | i'm missing something here |
| 21:23.36 | MohammadAG | this vibrates and makes a soung? |
| 21:23.38 | MohammadAG | sound* |
| 21:23.46 | crashanddie | Jaffa: I'll start off tonight by building a very lightweight VM, I don't want to install apache on my mbp directly |
| 21:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-18 22:11:05] <DocScrutinizer51> MohammadAG: then in settings enter '/home/user/.xchat2/notify.sh' for *audio playback* program |
| 21:23.49 | Jaffa | crashanddie: PHP + MySQL front-end sounds sensible; I've got some code I can reuse for persistence etc. Data collection, can be anything really - Perl/Python/PHP/... |
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| 21:24.06 | woglinde | jo wazd |
| 21:24.12 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Sounds sensible. There's an Ubuntu Server VMware Player appliance IIRC |
| 21:24.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i got that part |
| 21:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: "external sound playing program" is the exact wording in xchat |
| 21:24.30 | crashanddie | Jaffa: it takes under 10 minutes to install a VM :P |
| 21:24.40 | rom1dep | bye! |
| 21:24.41 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i already set it |
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| 21:25.00 | crashanddie | Jaffa: the important bit to remember is that the data collector will need to run on the server as well, unless you want to expose your MySQL server to the whole world? |
| 21:25.10 | MohammadAG | but i'm wondering, does it actually play a sound? |
| 21:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | yes it does |
| 21:25.24 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Correct (first bit). Happy to give you account on box to maintain stuff |
| 21:25.42 | MohammadAG | ok, line removed then |
| 21:25.44 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Also, been thinking about the issue itself being rendered out to static HTML for fastest/lowest latency serving |
| 21:25.45 | wazd | heya |
| 21:25.49 | wazd | ok, my bet |
| 21:25.50 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 21:25.54 | wazd | Apple/Wacom tablet |
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| 21:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'd suggest to select a null file for sound in xchat raher than deleting the line. but whatever serves for your purpose.... |
| 21:26.48 | wazd | this will get a small excuse for 1k+ price |
| 21:26.54 | MohammadAG | kk |
| 21:27.15 | crashanddie | Jaffa: I'm going to start working on the ML and tmo aggregation first. Have the ability to see a thread, and go into it, select a specific post, collect data with regards to author, date, thread information, direct URL to post |
| 21:27.29 | crashanddie | Jaffa: once I have that, I can start thinking about laying it out to a user interface |
| 21:27.42 | wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/top.jpg - this ad kinda proves it |
| 21:27.52 | crashanddie | wazd: we might need you at some point |
| 21:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I used /usr/share/sounds/chat-msg_in_bg_2.wav |
| 21:27.59 | crashanddie | wazd: and no, that is not negotiable |
| 21:28.26 | crashanddie | Jaffa: what kind of server are we talking about? dedi or webhost? |
| 21:28.39 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Cool. Would be useful to have something like that as a bookmarklet, e.g. looking at a post in Google Mail; parses out the subject and author and tries to find the post |
| 21:28.41 | MohammadAG | if the device is silent it shouldn't play right DocScrutinizer? |
| 21:28.43 | wazd | crashanddie: well, since I have no choice... :) |
| 21:28.51 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Dedi. Physical box. root access. |
| 21:28.51 | RST38h | javispedro: looks like the whole packages/ died now |
| 21:28.52 | oscillik | has awesome colour LS thanks to ruskie |
| 21:29.09 | javispedro | RST38h: :( at least the repo got updated. |
| 21:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: play-sound seems to be buggy here |
| 21:29.30 | MohammadAG | define buggy |
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| 21:29.42 | MohammadAG | it plays when silent? |
| 21:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: always plays max volume no matter of silent setting or volume |
| 21:29.56 | javispedro | RST38h: /packages works here, but has stopped getting updates seems. |
| 21:30.08 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, I think it's how it inits pulse |
| 21:30.15 | ruskie | I get the same issue with xmms2 |
| 21:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 21:30.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so if the line is removed, it shouldn't play the sound |
| 21:30.44 | ruskie | which reminds me need to bug one of the xmms2 devs to see if it can be fixed |
| 21:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | maybe that's even correct by definition |
| 21:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: correct |
| 21:31.01 | RST38h | javispedro: <permanent facepalm> |
| 21:31.12 | crashanddie | Jaffa: i gotta run |
| 21:31.19 | crashanddie | I'll let you know of my progress |
| 21:31.33 | RST38h | ok, <sleep> |
| 21:31.37 | woglinde | nite rst |
| 21:31.39 | crashanddie | Jaffa: I'm on shitty internet connections here in oz, and will be for as long as I don't have my own place |
| 21:31.50 | thresh | morning |
| 21:31.58 | xorAxAx | hey, i like the maemo community much better than the android guys. |
| 21:31.59 | xorAxAx | 22:31:29 < bnovc> xorAxAx: then your skill with the google is weak |
| 21:32.07 | xorAxAx | they said ... |
| 21:32.22 | ruskie | xorAxAx, lol |
| 21:32.31 | crashanddie | Jaffa: work is firewalled the hell out of (I have to VPN, ssh to server in London, and have a java socks proxy run there), and my macbook servers as an access point for the ethernet cable in the hotel |
| 21:32.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, highlight me |
| 21:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nevertheless you need to select *some* soundfile for all the events you want notify.sh to be run, in xchat sound setup |
| 21:33.01 | MohammadAG | cool, it worked |
| 21:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 21:33.13 | MohammadAG | thanks mate |
| 21:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 21:33.23 | Jaffa | crashanddie: cya |
| 21:33.30 | MohammadAG | looks for a way to stop the led |
| 21:33.39 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: duct tape. |
| 21:33.44 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:34.04 | MohammadAG | i wonder why it stopped in terminal |
| 21:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you probably need to find a way to send http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-deactivate-led eventually though |
| 21:34.14 | SpeedEvil | Anyway to get espeak to speak PM's say? |
| 21:34.32 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 21:34.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, highlight me once, then again after 5 secs |
| 21:34.45 | ruskie | SpeedEvil, from what I know all you need is to pipe the text into it somehow |
| 21:34.51 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 21:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: to your order massa |
| 21:35.06 | ruskie | teilzeitstudent, I take it you got my response earlier? happened just before you asked |
| 21:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: booo |
| 21:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: boooooooooooooo |
| 21:35.30 | MohammadAG | lol k that didn't work well haha |
| 21:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: bbb |
| 21:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 21:35.49 | MohammadAG | kk |
| 21:35.52 | MohammadAG | ty |
| 21:36.32 | teilzeitstudent | ruskie, which distro you use? nop |
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| 21:36.56 | ruskie | teilzeitstudent, [22:21:34] <ruskie> source mage dev :) |
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| 21:37.18 | teilzeitstudent | ruskie, ah..never heared of it but ok :p |
| 21:38.49 | xorAxAx | does it compile from sources like gentoo, ruskie? |
| 21:38.56 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:39.05 | ruskie | but that's really the only thing in common |
| 21:39.12 | MohammadAG | how do i add a wait to a .sh file? |
| 21:39.16 | xorAxAx | then you are one of the people responsible for global warming |
| 21:39.21 | ruskie | MohammadAG, sleep $seconds |
| 21:39.26 | teilzeitstudent | xD |
| 21:39.28 | xorAxAx | imagine how many nuclear power plants could be shut down if source mage didnt exist |
| 21:39.32 | ruskie | xorAxAx, to bad it's a religion |
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| 21:39.56 | PaulAnagrama | hi |
| 21:40.02 | ruskie | gotta love "scientific" findings based on hidden agendas and intentionally omitted data |
| 21:40.11 | X-Fade | Guys, I would like your opinion on backwards compatibility in Extras: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=480755 |
| 21:40.18 | ruskie | xorAxAx, probably 1/1000th of one ;) |
| 21:40.33 | xorAxAx | ruskie: yeah, fortunately its not common enough |
| 21:40.34 | X-Fade | Trying to prevent a mess :) |
| 21:40.50 | MohammadAG | ruskie, that didn't work |
| 21:40.51 | xorAxAx | X-Fade: can we have an NNTP interface for TMO? |
| 21:40.55 | MohammadAG | sleep 5seconds? |
| 21:41.00 | xorAxAx | then they can shut down the mailinglists |
| 21:41.00 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: mp-fremantle-generic-pr isn't called like that on all devices is it? |
| 21:41.03 | X-Fade | xorAxAx: Don't ask me. |
| 21:41.07 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: indeed |
| 21:41.14 | wazd | Stskeeps: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=480677&postcount=40 |
| 21:41.16 | PaulAnagrama | on N900, is there a way to setup a timeout for the internet connection, if i don't use it for ... say 10 minutes, disconnect? |
| 21:41.20 | ruskie | xorAxAx, TMO has mailing lists? |
| 21:41.24 | xorAxAx | X-Fade: you introduced the media disruption here |
| 21:41.30 | ruskie | MohammadAG, what did you do? |
| 21:41.34 | xorAxAx | ruskie: TMO wants to shutdown maemo-community |
| 21:41.36 | MohammadAG | sleep 5seconds |
| 21:41.38 | Stskeeps | wazd: ask him dpkg -l hildon-theme-marina |
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| 21:41.49 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: No, but it would be a builder runtime change. |
| 21:41.54 | ruskie | xorAxAx, hmm I'd be happy if TMO would be available through NNTP as well |
| 21:41.54 | SyncA | hi |
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| 21:41.55 | wazd | Stskeeps: your template has highlight bug too :) |
| 21:42.07 | ruskie | MohammadAG, drop the seconds |
| 21:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, lol @ hard-breaking. :P |
| 21:42.17 | ruskie | MohammadAG, the number alone is in seconds |
| 21:42.19 | MohammadAG | slaps himself |
| 21:42.26 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i was more talking about that the package is named something else depending on your variant :P |
| 21:42.43 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That is what |
| 21:42.45 | ruskie | hmm so the new SDK borks stuff |
| 21:42.47 | ruskie | fin |
| 21:42.48 | X-Fade | | is for ;) |
| 21:42.49 | ruskie | erm fun |
| 21:42.56 | ruskie | when can we get Mer on the n900 already again? |
| 21:43.00 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: ? :) |
| 21:43.06 | Stskeeps | ruskie: go test it, i just put out a url |
| 21:43.14 | MohammadAG | thanks ruskie |
| 21:43.19 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: we -really- didn't have this problem back in diablo? |
| 21:43.21 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: We can add the variants automatically. |
| 21:43.23 | ruskie | Stskeeps, got a link and any info on what is supported? |
| 21:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, fixed line widths. |
| 21:43.27 | Stskeeps | ruskie: no |
| 21:43.34 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: We did, but didn't check/care. |
| 21:43.34 | ruskie | Stskeeps, planing to? |
| 21:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, you don't need to manually wrap on Talk. :P |
| 21:44.02 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeam pasted from wrapped mail ;) |
| 21:44.02 | SyncA | is there a list somewere with all the applications in extras extras/testing with an explanation of what that app does? |
| 21:44.02 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i vote for 3 |
| 21:44.02 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And then that little box is just a pain. |
| 21:44.03 | wazd | konttori_nokia: around? :) |
| 21:44.03 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: it's the only sane way |
| 21:44.13 | Stskeeps | wazd: let me check something |
| 21:44.27 | wazd | Stskeeps: no I won't :P |
| 21:44.32 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, what, you can't resize input boxes in YOUR browser? ;) |
| 21:44.56 | kamui | Anyone notice the touchscreen doesn't vibrate consistently? |
| 21:44.56 | PaulAnagrama | on N900, is there a way to setup a timeout for the internet connection, if i don't use it for ... say 10 minutes, disconnect? |
| 21:44.56 | X-Fade | I discussed it with konttori a bit, to see if we can get some changes in AM for 1.2, seems doable. |
| 21:45.05 | ruskie | Stskeeps, lemme rephrase... can I do phone and most of the other core functionality of N900 with Mer? |
| 21:45.06 | kamui | sometimes I hit the screen and it vibrates, other times nothing happens |
| 21:45.15 | Stskeeps | ruskie: no, not yet, but will you help make it happen? :P |
| 21:45.16 | kamui | I wonder if its a bug, or another possible issue with my device |
| 21:45.31 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: something saying Dependancies: maemo-version (>= 5.0.2) is quite readable |
| 21:45.33 | ruskie | Stskeeps, I don't have a spare device for this... |
| 21:45.46 | GAN900 | Broken ass log viewer |
| 21:46.06 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes and AM can even present incompatibility nicely then. |
| 21:46.17 | ruskie | Stskeeps, I'll help alpha and beta test once call and sms(I'm assuming everything else will be there by then) will be there |
| 21:46.20 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, I only worry about forcing people into 1.1 |
| 21:46.31 | GAN900 | What with the CMT stuff and the bugs. |
| 21:46.40 | X-Fade | GAN900: I did too, but you can also say now. |
| 21:46.41 | Stskeeps | GAN900: not upgrading only adds workload |
| 21:47.03 | X-Fade | GAN900: And we have to go by the idea that if there are real serious bugs, there will be a hotfix anyway. |
| 21:47.05 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the biggest problem is that you can't rollback PR1.1 |
| 21:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'd be all over #3 if you could downgrade. |
| 21:47.19 | Stskeeps | wazd: you didn't follow instructions of try_it_out.sh |
| 21:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | Wish we had a timeframe for PR1.1.1 |
| 21:47.45 | wazd | Stskeeps: huh? :) |
| 21:47.46 | javispedro | I vote #1 (javispedro always chooses the conservative option >:)) |
| 21:47.49 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But most people would need to run newest anyway. |
| 21:47.50 | wazd | Stskeeps: is it possible? :D |
| 21:47.54 | xorAxAx | X-Fade: 3 is an issue for those that have third party versions of internal packages like modest installed |
| 21:47.56 | Luser | SyncA, you could read this: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages or have a script filter on descriptions and names |
| 21:48.08 | Stskeeps | wazd: yes, there's this thing saying "IMPORTANT" that you missed |
| 21:48.14 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Going by the idea that non broken software is pushed out through SSU. |
| 21:48.18 | xorAxAx | X-Fade: e.g. ruskie provides ones without providing mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 21:48.34 | ruskie | ??? |
| 21:48.37 | X-Fade | xorAxAx: Those are out of luck anyway. |
| 21:48.38 | ruskie | what what? |
| 21:48.39 | xorAxAx | X-Fade: also there are multiple mp-fremantle packages, right? |
| 21:48.47 | ruskie | sorry I'm hardly paying any attention |
| 21:49.02 | xorAxAx | ruskie: i think i am confusing you |
| 21:49.09 | wazd | Stskeeps: meh :) |
| 21:49.15 | xorAxAx | it was jebba with the custom modest, nor? one of you both |
| 21:49.18 | javispedro | btw, what about "4. nicer error messages in h-a-m when dependency on system package version cannot be resolved" |
| 21:49.18 | SyncA | Luser, thx will give it a go |
| 21:49.20 | Stskeeps | wazd: Theme name first letter should be lowercase or uppercase to Theme directory first letter |
| 21:49.21 | X-Fade | xorAxAx: Actual implementation needs to be discussed of course. But we control almost every part of that chain. |
| 21:49.21 | ruskie | it was me |
| 21:49.25 | ruskie | but that was for 1.0 |
| 21:49.25 | wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, I usually do that :P |
| 21:49.32 | javispedro | do shlibdeps work in maemo? |
| 21:49.48 | Stskeeps | wazd: as in, directory naem should be marina and theme name should be Marina |
| 21:49.51 | kamui | dood, no icon for abiword ;( |
| 21:49.55 | X-Fade | javispedro: Those add the problem atm. |
| 21:49.55 | ruskie | now I'll probably have to use the dummy packages and then install an alt-$pkg |
| 21:50.02 | kamui | guess I could always just make a desktop icon for it |
| 21:50.07 | wazd | Stskeeps: ah, and that ruins everything? :) |
| 21:50.12 | PaulAnagrama | seems like there is no timeout setting for the internet connection, right? what about this one, is there a way to search in Ovi Maps the addresses that are entered in the address book? |
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| 21:50.19 | xorAxAx | X-Fade: what is maemo-version? |
| 21:50.22 | Stskeeps | wazd: i fell down my chair when someone explained me the issue |
| 21:50.31 | X-Fade | xorAxAx: SDK |
| 21:50.47 | X-Fade | We want extras apps to work in sdk too. |
| 21:50.52 | wazd | Stskeeps: sounds really weird :) |
| 21:50.53 | xorAxAx | X-Fade: indeed |
| 21:50.54 | pupnik | Mouse On Mars - Schlecktron |
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| 21:51.10 | Stskeeps | wazd: that just made me want to scrap Gtk+ :P |
| 21:51.22 | X-Fade | xorAxAx: Give me some credit, I gave it some thought ;) |
| 21:51.32 | Stskeeps | wazd: you can solve it by re-running try_it_out.sh |
| 21:51.46 | Stskeeps | wazd: IMPORTANT: If your theme name has first letter upper case, this directory name must have first letter lower case! |
| 21:51.54 | Stskeeps | wazd: IMPORTANT: If your theme name has first letter lower case, this directory name must have first letter upper case! |
| 21:51.59 | Stskeeps | wazd: for directory name |
| 21:51.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:52.06 | javispedro | Option #5. Do whatever the Ovi Store does |
| 21:52.16 | Stskeeps | javispedro: ah, good one |
| 21:52.16 | wazd | Stskeeps: aaaah, get lost :D |
| 21:52.25 | X-Fade | They run repository for each version. |
| 21:52.29 | javispedro | O.o |
| 21:52.31 | Stskeeps | really? :P |
| 21:52.32 | X-Fade | Which is.. lame |
| 21:52.40 | xorAxAx | looks to me that marina still has bugs in it |
| 21:52.55 | wazd | Stskeeps: I mean get "LOST" season 5 somewhere :P |
| 21:52.58 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, that sounds like a terrible idea. |
| 21:53.07 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, we've already seen their idea of content protection. |
| 21:53.09 | VDVsx | <trolling>Option #6 Ask at TMO and wait until the discussion stops :D </trolling> |
| 21:53.33 | ruskie | goes to bed |
| 21:53.40 | X-Fade | I haven't spoken to any ovi people. They're not really out in the open :( |
| 21:53.59 | xorAxAx | i wonder who is using chat.ovi.com |
| 21:54.01 | javispedro | hm. |
| 21:54.13 | javispedro | Is the autobuilder already using PR1.1 packages? |
| 21:54.42 | javispedro | cause I'm at PR1.0 and haven't had any problems so far... |
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| 21:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'd be embarrassed to be them too. ;) |
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| 21:55.28 | SyncA | Luser, not quite readable as is, any hint on that script? |
| 21:55.55 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: 3) is by far the sanest. implement with post-build step that stamps a dependancy on the deb |
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| 21:56.29 | MohammadAG | xvid not supported on the n900? |
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| 21:58.48 | X-Fade | And AM would then automatically force you to upgrade, it should be changed to present you with an explanation and a question if you want to upgrade your firmware or cancel. |
| 21:59.02 | wirelessdreamer | MohammadAG: I watch xvid encoded videos all the time on my n900 |
| 21:59.07 | wirelessdreamer | with the built in media player |
| 21:59.26 | MohammadAG | extra codecs package installed? |
| 21:59.32 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: The only thing I hate about it is that we then change the deb, which is a bit of a not so nice thing. |
| 21:59.36 | MohammadAG | i think it's causing the problems |
| 21:59.39 | javispedro | if you're going to change h-a-m anyway, |
| 21:59.50 | javispedro | it could detect you're depending on a newer "system" lib |
| 21:59.54 | javispedro | and then force you to upgrade |
| 22:00.06 | javispedro | where "system" = dependency of pr-fremantle-blablabla |
| 22:00.08 | X-Fade | javispedro: But then it still doesn't know which fw version it needs. |
| 22:00.45 | X-Fade | javispedro: remember that an ssu only knows about the next version/repository. |
| 22:00.55 | X-Fade | javispedro: So 2 updates down the row, it doesn't know. |
| 22:01.14 | javispedro | which means that the "minimal fw version required" doesn't matter at all |
| 22:01.23 | javispedro | since all you can do is "upgrade to next one and try again" |
| 22:01.43 | X-Fade | javispedro: Sure, or flash. |
| 22:01.53 | javispedro | touché. |
| 22:02.09 | wirelessdreamer | MohammadAG: Yes I have the extra codecs packages installed |
| 22:02.13 | javispedro | Xb-Mininal-fw: 1.1.1 (mwahahaha) |
| 22:02.15 | wirelessdreamer | what kind of problems are you seeing? |
| 22:02.18 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: besides that, packages are more than able to indicate they support 'younger' versions i think |
| 22:02.21 | X-Fade | And upgrading 5 SSUs or 1 flash, well I would know what to take ;) |
| 22:02.30 | MohammadAG | wirelessdreamer, kk |
| 22:02.41 | MohammadAG | maybe it's too high-res'd |
| 22:03.39 | wirelessdreamer | I just checked the video res and codec with mplayer 640x368 @23 fps xvid/mp3 |
| 22:04.02 | wirelessdreamer | multiple videos with that encoding play perfectly |
| 22:04.08 | javispedro | or add an extra "minimal firmware" section in the source package control file, |
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| 22:04.17 | wirelessdreamer | I still don't have mkv's working though |
| 22:04.18 | javispedro | then the autobuilder uses the adequate sdk to build it |
| 22:04.26 | javispedro | defaulting to 1.0 . |
| 22:04.29 | X-Fade | javispedro: But it needs to be as simple as possible. |
| 22:04.52 | Luser | SyncA, mmmhh let me try |
| 22:04.55 | X-Fade | If you need sharing-dialog-dev for instance, you need >=pr1.1 |
| 22:05.05 | X-Fade | That would make it really hard for developers. |
| 22:05.13 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 22:05.18 | X-Fade | As specifying build-depends is a nightmare already :) |
| 22:05.40 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: maybe build towards the first SDK where a build dependancy is satisfiable? |
| 22:05.53 | Stskeeps | start at pr1.0, then see pr1.1 .. |
| 22:05.57 | X-Fade | But what if you need a specific feature of a lib? |
| 22:06.10 | Stskeeps | build-dep: package-dev (>= version) |
| 22:06.18 | X-Fade | You can't expect a developer to exactly know which sdk he needs? |
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| 22:06.47 | X-Fade | I would rather default to build on the latest and greatest. |
| 22:06.50 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 22:07.04 | X-Fade | We don't want to be debian stable with outdated versions. |
| 22:07.07 | javispedro | specially if the shlibdeps are wrong, which means the auto build-depend generator cannot use symbol versions.. |
| 22:07.22 | X-Fade | We get enough crap for that already |
| 22:07.50 | X-Fade | And developers want the latest and greatest anyway. |
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| 22:08.00 | X-Fade | We don't want to hold developers back. |
| 22:08.10 | javispedro | yes, but if most extras packages are going to be not installable EXCEPT in the latest and greatest firmware.. |
| 22:08.34 | X-Fade | And if that orange icon blinks on someones phone, they are going to upgrade anyway. |
| 22:08.39 | javispedro | then no need to put that much effort in this and just tell outdated users to "upgrade" |
| 22:08.59 | javispedro | "to the nearest ssu / latest FIASCO" |
| 22:09.02 | X-Fade | javispedro: But now it just says, failed to install. |
| 22:09.10 | X-Fade | Or can not install even. |
| 22:09.23 | X-Fade | Which is not what you want to present to end users. |
| 22:09.32 | X-Fade | Everything in extras should install. |
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| 22:14.43 | X-Fade | xorAxAx: I don't think Mer is aiming for binary compatibility per se. |
| 22:14.53 | Stskeeps | with armv7 it's a tad difficult |
| 22:15.03 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: maybe this kind of functionality already exists in HAM |
| 22:15.39 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Which one? |
| 22:15.52 | javispedro | ovi store using a repo per fw version is a bit odd. do they require uploaders building a package for each fw version? do they let a uploader "not uploading" a package to certain fw versions? |
| 22:16.14 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: well, something to help us |
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| 22:17.22 | X-Fade | javispedro: Well I was running pr1.1 before and it was not compatible with it because they were still on 1.0 ;) |
| 22:17.31 | xorAxAx | on different matters, one cannot use android market with their emulator without doing illegal things. so one has to hunt for packages manually |
| 22:18.18 | javispedro | chaos ensues. |
| 22:18.23 | X-Fade | javispedro: So it seems they build for a specific version. |
| 22:18.35 | X-Fade | javispedro: Or... haven't thought about it. |
| 22:18.56 | javispedro | "repo per fw version, but new packages aim for the latest one. previous fw versions don't have the repo enabled." |
| 22:18.58 | X-Fade | Or, to be fair, have solved the problem completely ;) |
| 22:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | Repo-per-firmware would require mucking with the sources list. |
| 22:20.29 | xorAxAx | how about aiming for a stable ABI like windows did from 1.0 to xp? :) |
| 22:20.40 | xorAxAx | that would be the enterprise class solution :-) |
| 22:20.53 | javispedro | :nod:, and come to think of it, it's the same as just setting a "Xb-Minimal-Fw" in the package control file |
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| 22:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | xorAxAx, out of our control? |
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| 22:21.33 | xorAxAx | GeneralAntilles: hmm? |
| 22:21.39 | xorAxAx | indeed |
| 22:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | We can't control what Nokia ships. |
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| 22:21.46 | Stskeeps | javispedro: that's an actual flag? |
| 22:21.47 | xorAxAx | didnt think about that |
| 22:21.57 | javispedro | Stskeeps: nope, fiction |
| 22:22.27 | Stskeeps | nokia isn't really doing ABI breaks, it's a 'feature' of dpkg-buildpackage that it says libosso (>= something) |
| 22:22.29 | X-Fade | Well, AM could just add -version1 to the repository name. |
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| 22:22.39 | X-Fade | So we have numbered repositories ;) |
| 22:22.43 | X-Fade | But I hate that. |
| 22:23.14 | javispedro | will start depending on pr1.1 from now on on the SDL packages I maintain, since I plan to remove the pr1.0 specific hacks |
| 22:23.27 | X-Fade | Anyway, time to get some sleep. Reply to the thread on talk, post on -developers or my blog ;) |
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| 22:23.57 | javispedro | gnite |
| 22:24.13 | javispedro | and also, there will be some packages that will depend on pr1.2 by not implementing the pr1.0/1.1 rotation "hacks" |
| 22:24.58 | xorAxAx | 1.2 will have sane rotation? |
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| 22:25.50 | javispedro | xorAxAx: that's what I've read (so _SUPPORT flag will mean h-d rotates if device held in portrait) |
| 22:26.03 | javispedro | which is what everyone though in the first place.... :) |
| 22:26.09 | xorAxAx | cool |
| 22:26.26 | xorAxAx | and how is the desktop arranged then? |
| 22:26.33 | xorAxAx | does it shuffle your widgets and icons? |
| 22:26.43 | javispedro | xorAxAx: I don't mind rotation support in any apps |
| 22:26.46 | javispedro | s/mind/mean |
| 22:26.48 | xorAxAx | (working like a barkeeper's mixer) |
| 22:27.02 | javispedro | I mean sane rotation support in libraries, |
| 22:27.17 | xorAxAx | ok |
| 22:27.22 | javispedro | since currently to implement it you have to check for accelerometer events and the like |
| 22:27.46 | xorAxAx | the telephone app isnt particularly good at doing so |
| 22:27.59 | xorAxAx | it often misdetects things here |
| 22:30.15 | Stskeeps | neat, mer 0.17testing10 works oob on n900, if you dump firmware files into it |
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| 22:30.41 | SpeedEvil | Does it support portrait? :) |
| 22:30.53 | Stskeeps | err.. possibly |
| 22:30.59 | Stskeeps | there's no accelerometer daemon |
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| 22:31.09 | SpeedEvil | was playing with xrandr the other night. |
| 22:31.38 | javispedro | Stskeeps: I'm just noticing status bar items (the small ones) still appear color swapped |
| 22:31.45 | Knightcz | what's the advantage of mer against the original firmware? |
| 22:31.58 | SpeedEvil | Knightcz: at the moment - none |
| 22:31.58 | javispedro | though this is with clutter pr1.0 + my latest patch |
| 22:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | bug #8240 . . . |
| 22:32.05 | SpeedEvil | Knightcz: it's considerably less functional. |
| 22:32.05 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8240 AT&T 850/1900MHz support |
| 22:32.11 | xorAxAx | Knightcz: higher percentage of FOSS code on your device |
| 22:32.17 | Knightcz | SpeedEvil: and in the future? |
| 22:32.24 | SpeedEvil | Knightcz: maybe in 6 moths - it will be usable as a nice phone |
| 22:32.30 | SpeedEvil | n |
| 22:32.39 | Stskeeps | Knightcz: full ubuntu userland and sane development |
| 22:32.46 | Knightcz | ah |
| 22:32.52 | Jaffa | Theory: if the ABI hasn't changed - what about munging the resulting libosso dependency? (or some kind of symlink to the other version; although this is a packaging rather than runtime problem, AIUI) |
| 22:32.52 | Knightcz | SpeedEvil: that's nice |
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| 22:33.08 | javispedro | cause for some packages I guess the ABI has changed... |
| 22:33.20 | javispedro | and knowing that with broken shlibdeps is like... magic. |
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| 22:33.24 | javispedro | s/packages/functions |
| 22:33.29 | Knightcz | Stskeeps: that's also nice |
| 22:33.32 | Cas07 | just read about problems with reboot after boot_count reaches 50 device wont boot? |
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| 22:33.36 | javispedro | i.e. there are new functions I guess :) |
| 22:33.36 | Cas07 | anyone got any info ? |
| 22:34.26 | Jaffa | javispedro: Might be worth checking - Nokia almost certainly wouldn't have done that intentionally (AFAICT) unless there was no choice. We know how they worry about each individual change... |
| 22:34.34 | Stskeeps | Cas07: it's a safety mechanism |
| 22:34.53 | Cas07 | to to with filesystem? |
| 22:34.56 | Jaffa | javispedro: It's been a while since I checked, if it's a C library, new functions don't break the ABI (IIRC) |
| 22:34.57 | Cas07 | do. |
| 22:35.36 | javispedro | Jaffa: That would be the cleanest way (make shlibdeps work, so that a new symbol causes a dependency on the later library, and apps don't using any new symbols don't cause that, then make h-a-m intelligent about this) |
| 22:35.49 | javispedro | but seeing X-Fade reaction it also seems the hardest one ;) |
| 22:36.14 | Jaffa | Heh :) |
| 22:36.20 | Stskeeps | javispedro: ah, - i think shlibdeps already works but i was thinking we can modify it to check multiple versions of the lib |
| 22:36.28 | Stskeeps | and the earliest it can use based on symbols |
| 22:36.37 | Jaffa | That sounds the smartest |
| 22:36.38 | javispedro | Stskeeps: that's how it should work |
| 22:36.58 | javispedro | basically, AFAIU, the latest -dev package ships a file with each symbol + version |
| 22:36.58 | Jaffa | Then it's just munging the deps to give a useful error message |
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| 22:37.29 | javispedro | there's also the problem that H-A-M only knows about the next SSU version |
| 22:37.55 | Jaffa | Anything involving HAM doesn't seem optimal. |
| 22:38.22 | javispedro | reads shlibdeps docs... |
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| 22:39.30 | javispedro | http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps |
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| 22:41.35 | Jaffa | javispedro: Sounds promising from the summary |
| 22:42.40 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: is there a changelog for catorise? |
| 22:42.59 | pupnik | Results 1 - 10 of about 1,020 for "explosive nipples". (0.19 seconds) |
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| 22:44.04 | javispedro | but getting nokia to follow that... |
| 22:44.24 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Yes, in the source code; but you'd have to look in the .tar.gz |
| 22:44.27 | Luser | SyncA, http://pastebin.com/m5d45af91. quite horrible but my perl got a bit rusty.. |
| 22:44.46 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: 0.6.0 has slightly improved error handling (if you use 1.2009.42-11 and don't have the HAM icons) and `dpkg -s' rather than `apt-cache show'. |
| 22:45.00 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Main reason was minor tidy-ups before pushing to -testing |
| 22:45.24 | Jaffa | javispedro: Yeah, one imagines none of the libs have .symbols files atm (one *guesses*, anyway) |
| 22:45.24 | xorAxAx | ok |
| 22:45.36 | derf | lardman|home: Did you ever play around with cropping the video in mbarcode? |
| 22:45.55 | javispedro | Jaffa: in fact, one would guess not even the required dpkg-shlibdeps version are there atm ;) |
| 22:46.08 | javispedro | s/are/is |
| 22:46.16 | Jaffa | javispedro: Doh |
| 22:46.28 | Jaffa | Probably because anything dpkg related ahsn't been updated since OS2005 ;-) |
| 22:46.44 | javispedro | oh |
| 22:46.51 | javispedro | dpkg-shlibdeps in debian-lenny devkit |
| 22:46.57 | woglinde | hi javis |
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| 22:48.57 | pupnik | are you wasting your time? this picture will help you decide: http://www.ectomo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/meathook.jpg |
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| 22:49.45 | pupnik | i see a lot of this |
| 22:50.04 | simula | is that a diving suit or a robot? |
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| 22:51.17 | lardman|home | derf: yes, should be done in the latest version of mbarcode iirc |
| 22:51.26 | arachnist | pupnik: is that a Droid? ;) |
| 22:51.30 | derf | Oh, sweet. I should upgrade. |
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| 22:52.05 | lardman|home | derf: dragly is doing sterling work producing a Qt QUI and framework, will be hacking on that now |
| 22:52.22 | pupnik | arachnist: i look at that and think, 'what am i doing' |
| 22:52.24 | derf | I'm just at a conference and couldn't read the QR code on my badge. |
| 22:52.34 | derf | Because the camera couldn't focus on it well enough. |
| 22:52.34 | lardman|home | but still patching any issues in the gtk+ code if they are easy & quick |
| 22:52.58 | lardman|home | yeah give the update a go, should work better (I hope!) |
| 22:53.04 | javispedro | hi wog |
| 22:53.09 | derf | Yeah, will do. App Manager is slow. |
| 22:54.11 | lardman|home | doh! forgot to upload blas before trying octave |
| 22:54.31 | lardman|home | heads back to the TV |
| 22:55.57 | derf | Hmm, updating appears broken. |
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| 22:56.16 | Jef91 | Anyone else having issues getting perl installed on their N900? |
| 22:56.24 | derf | It doesn't seem to be following 302 redirects. |
| 22:58.24 | Jaffa | Jef91: Perl itself is in the firmware; perl-modules isn't |
| 22:58.50 | Jef91 | Jaffa - according to my dpkg -l perl is not installed on my phone |
| 22:59.07 | Jef91 | And when I try to install an application it tells me it need perl-modules installed, but there is no package to install for it |
| 22:59.27 | Jaffa | Jef91: And when you do `perl -V' what do you get? ;-) |
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| 22:59.44 | Jaffa | Jef91: perl-modules is in the SDK repo if you NEED it; but be careful what else you install from there. |
| 23:00.14 | Jef91 | Ahh kk - I wanted to install frozen-bubble |
| 23:00.18 | Jef91 | but it wants perl-modules |
| 23:01.09 | timeless_mbp | Jef91: perl-base is installed |
| 23:01.18 | timeless_mbp | perl has more dependencies |
| 23:01.19 | VDVsx | Jef91, frozen bubble probably uses OpenGL/mesa |
| 23:01.34 | javispedro | frozen bubble was ported already to diablo iirc |
| 23:01.41 | javispedro | iirc it's a plain sdl game |
| 23:01.42 | VDVsx | better check that first |
| 23:01.54 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 23:02.05 | javispedro | http://fb-maemo.blogspot.com/ |
| 23:02.06 | javispedro | lol |
| 23:02.15 | javispedro | there's an entire blog dedicated to porting frozen bubble :) |
| 23:02.25 | javispedro | nice |
| 23:02.52 | Jef91 | timeless_mbp - when I try to install perl-base it tellsme I need perl-modules |
| 23:03.08 | timeless_mbp | Jef91: um |
| 23:03.11 | timeless_mbp | dpkg -l perl-base |
| 23:03.57 | timeless_mbp | Jef91: i presume you're on an n900 and not in a scratchbox |
| 23:04.19 | Jef91 | timeless_mbp correct |
| 23:04.44 | timeless_mbp | busy waits for Jef91 to execute dpkg -l perl-base |
| 23:04.50 | VDVsx | javispedro, at least more recent versions depend on libsdl-perl that depends on GLU |
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| 23:05.06 | Jef91 | timeless_mbp perl-base is installed - however frozenbubble from the extra repos says it wants perl-modules |
| 23:05.18 | timeless_mbp | Jef91: "not my problem" :) |
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| 23:08.25 | xorAxAx | gah, i dont manage to pin down fremantle/sdk |
| 23:09.27 | timeless_mbp | anyone here know how to convert an xwindow id into a gtk window? |
| 23:09.35 | timeless_mbp | (for the purposes of parenting a gtk window) |
| 23:09.42 | derf | lardman|home: No, I still have to hold the thing an inch away to get it large enough, and it can't focus at that distance. |
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| 23:11.27 | wazd | I finally got my 770, so I had some new enthusiasm for this. |
| 23:11.33 | wazd | that was the time... |
| 23:11.37 | xorAxAx | Jef91: have you succeeded installing perl-modules? |
| 23:11.42 | xorAxAx | it would install another perl |
| 23:11.49 | xorAxAx | and that might conflict with perl-base, i am not sure |
| 23:12.00 | derf | lardman|home: This is with 0.0.8 (which I assume is the latest?) |
| 23:12.35 | xorAxAx | i have a QR code which is focussed but it doesnt recognize it |
| 23:12.44 | xorAxAx | lardman|home: any idea? |
| 23:13.15 | xorAxAx | ah, it pulls perl from another repo, so it should work |
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| 23:14.20 | derf | xorAxAx: If you can give me an image file, I can take a look. |
| 23:14.23 | Jef91 | xorAxAx - don't care enough about frozen0bubble to risk bricking my n900 atm |
| 23:15.02 | xorAxAx | Jef91: i dont care enough about perl to risk not playing frozen bubble atm :) |
| 23:15.21 | xorAxAx | derf: ok, i will take one |
| 23:18.00 | Jef91 | mmm sweet! fMMS works like a charm |
| 23:18.17 | Jef91 | I no longer have to hear "Your n900 does all that but can't send a picture message why?..." |
| 23:18.43 | frals | Jef91: great :) |
| 23:19.32 | Jef91 | frals - do you plan to add video support at some point? |
| 23:19.58 | frals | yeah, its a bit down the list thou - for now you'll have to settle with receiving videos ;) |
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| 23:20.42 | TheFaioli | How to fix scratchbox/SDK installation so that ESBox will recognize it? |
| 23:21.20 | Jef91 | frals - very good. |
| 23:21.27 | Jef91 | I'm so glad the repos are back online now |
| 23:21.32 | Jef91 | and with lots of new software! |
| 23:22.24 | xorAxAx | derf: http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1667/6f6f26ad433440f9aa9895db06c0ce04.jpg |
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| 23:22.27 | pillar | usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps <- is that the correct place for app icons in fremantle? |
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| 23:23.20 | KamuiN900 | wow. I love the abiword port. |
| 23:23.41 | KamuiN900 | im pretty much good to go. just need pptp vpn and the n900 is perfect |
| 23:23.51 | KamuiN900 | eap-fast would be nice too |
| 23:23.53 | xorAxAx | derf: http://share.ovi.com/guestpass.aspx?emailaddress=alex-test%40alexanderweb.de&confirmationcode=1323&returnurl=%2falbum%2fxoraxax.%253ealex-test%2540alexanderweb.de |
| 23:23.57 | xorAxAx | derf: and then click download |
| 23:24.24 | xorAxAx | ovi share suckz |
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| 23:24.55 | TheFaioli | I think the problem was I installed using scratchbox sh/py scripts but for some reason ESBox doesn't like them... |
| 23:25.03 | Jef91 | I saw airsnort has a package in devel now - does the N900 wifi card support packet injection? |
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| 23:25.22 | Luser | somebody asked for a list of packages in say, extras, is this available? |
| 23:25.35 | Luser | it should I guess.. |
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| 23:27.26 | VDVsx | Luser, should help: http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 23:27.40 | wnd | that's what dists/$distribution/$component/binary-$arch/Packages{,.gz,bz2} is for |
| 23:27.58 | wnd | s/bz2/.&/ |
| 23:28.00 | Luser | wnd yes right, but something trimmed.. |
| 23:28.19 | wnd | infobot's regexp parser isn't exactly complete |
| 23:28.29 | wnd | Luser, just run it through sed or grep ;-) |
| 23:28.33 | Luser | wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages | sed -e '/Maemo-Icon/,/^$/d' | egrep "^$|^Package|^Description|^ " |
| 23:28.36 | Luser | yep |
| 23:29.16 | Luser | i havent managed to do more horrible.. |
| 23:30.03 | Luser | VDVsx, thanks exactly |
| 23:32.02 | corecode | the n900 prices are like the stock market |
| 23:32.08 | corecode | completely unpredictable |
| 23:32.12 | corecode | and up and down |
| 23:32.16 | xorAxAx | corecode: what happened? |
| 23:32.21 | Luser | hum wget and pipe was not a good idea |
| 23:32.27 | xorAxAx | i got one for 499 EUR in germany |
| 23:32.36 | corecode | well my newegg order is still somewhere |
| 23:32.37 | xorAxAx | new, unbranded, 3 days after order |
| 23:33.06 | cehteh | from where btw? |
| 23:33.20 | smps | xorAxAx, where ? |
| 23:33.33 | cehteh | still waiting for mp3-player.de |
| 23:33.35 | SpeedEvil | finds secret nightvision mode in the camera!!! |
| 23:33.45 | xorAxAx | handy-schotte.com |
| 23:33.48 | Jaffa | Damn, maemo.org/packages picking up auto-builder builds seems to be broken |
| 23:33.52 | N900evil | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0 |
| 23:33.53 | smps | xorAxAx, thx |
| 23:34.04 | SpeedEvil | now - in a darkish place - compare the output of that with |
| 23:34.24 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: woot .. no IR filter or long exposure / charge pump? |
| 23:34.24 | Jaffa | Luser: wget -O - ;-) |
| 23:34.31 | N900evil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.37 | cehteh | xorAxAx: what hardware revision do you got? |
| 23:34.44 | SpeedEvil | the main camera that is |
| 23:34.45 | xorAxAx | cehteh: how to find out? |
| 23:34.45 | wnd | he could also just use curl |
| 23:34.54 | cehteh | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:35.02 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: how that? |
| 23:35.11 | xorAxAx | 2101 |
| 23:35.13 | xorAxAx | is that old? |
| 23:35.19 | cehteh | video or still? |
| 23:35.22 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: video |
| 23:35.25 | Luser | Jaffa, thanks :) |
| 23:35.43 | cehteh | nice |
| 23:36.15 | cehteh | xorAxAx: mhm .. i forgotten .. but these are listed in the firmware images |
| 23:36.24 | Luser | wget -O - http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages | sed -e '/Maemo-Icon/,/^$/d' | egrep "^$|^Package|^Description|^ " | less |
| 23:36.28 | smps | i got same revision |
| 23:36.36 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it goes from a totally black screen to a visible-but-grainy image |
| 23:37.06 | Luser | ok real life waiting for me, bye |
| 23:37.11 | SpeedEvil | wave |
| 23:37.35 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: yeah charge pumping mode |
| 23:37.40 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: err - no. |
| 23:37.44 | cehteh | mhm |
| 23:37.57 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it's simply using several chained mplayer brightness filters, then a denoise filter. |
| 23:38.13 | cehteh | duh .. |
| 23:38.19 | pupnik | you can also do denoise without temporal denoising |
| 23:38.23 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: there is a large amount of fixed noise, which could also be subtracted. |
| 23:38.26 | cehteh | thought you found something in firmware |
| 23:38.33 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: yes - temporal makes it lots quieter though |
| 23:38.46 | pupnik | yeah i just thought i'd say something stupid |
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| 23:39.01 | pupnik | impressive how well denoise3d worked |
| 23:39.02 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: normally a CCD is discharged/recharged (dunno which way around) when you read it out |
| 23:39.11 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it's a CMOS imager |
| 23:39.20 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it will be totally discharged on readout. |
| 23:39.32 | cehteh | but some sensors can be put into a mode to accumulate over longer times |
| 23:39.37 | cehteh | ok |
| 23:39.38 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it may be possible to get it working better - but as I understnad it that would involve hackery |
| 23:39.48 | SpeedEvil | possibly involving the non-existant camera datasheet |
| 23:40.03 | cehteh | xorAxAx: flasher-3.5 -l -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 23:40.14 | cehteh | gives a nice list of known hardware revisions |
| 23:40.22 | xorAxAx | cehteh: pastebin it |
| 23:40.36 | xorAxAx | for me that means piping it into a three letter acronym |
| 23:40.54 | xorAxAx | thanks to paste.pocoo.org |
| 23:41.03 | xorAxAx | (including vim and emacs support) |
| 23:41.11 | cehteh | http://pastebin.com/m105a033b |
| 23:41.50 | SpeedEvil | oh - obviously - move the denoise before the scale, and it's better |
| 23:42.15 | cehteh | so 2101 is first batch or? .. i dont know which hardware revisions are really released and which how they are ordered |
| 23:42.24 | cehteh | but mine was 2101 too |
| 23:42.55 | smps | was ? |
| 23:44.02 | cehteh | i send it back a week ago |
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| 23:55.08 | thomaz | strugrling with msn plugins |
| 23:55.49 | pupnik | microsoft: the company that tried to prevent tcp/ip from being used on PCs |
| 23:56.26 | swc|666 | then took the bsd tcp/ip stack |
| 23:56.41 | xorAxAx | and replaced it by a complete rewrite |
| 23:57.17 | pupnik | i wonder how many suicides they caused |
| 23:57.22 | swc|666 | and still is a fail OS... lol |
| 23:57.42 | swc|666 | pupnik, a lot i presume |
