| 00:00.08 | timeless_mbp | corecode: i'm not saying you shouldn't ;-) |
| 00:00.09 | SpeedEvil | The nokia n900 is 499 pounds sterling. |
| 00:00.09 | corecode | $530+$40 |
| 00:00.17 | corecode | oh god |
| 00:00.20 | Xisdibik | buys the 1500 USD phone just because... it would be 1500 USD of awesome? |
| 00:00.20 | w00t | that also means shipping back to US if you have problems, though |
| 00:00.25 | corecode | w00t: yea |
| 00:00.35 | corecode | newegg fucked up |
| 00:01.13 | corecode | why are there no US stores that mail to europe |
| 00:01.14 | SpeedEvil | Which is $645 - US dollars - taking off the tax |
| 00:01.36 | SpeedEvil | That is the nokia.co.uk price |
| 00:01.48 | SpeedEvil | (with free ship) |
| 00:02.44 | KenYoung | Is there anyone online who is familiar with the process for registering ssh public keys for a maemo garage account? |
| 00:03.16 | jebba | KenYoung: i've done it |
| 00:03.24 | corecode | i think nokia.ch doesn't even sell phones |
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| 00:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, because it's a waste of time and effort? |
| 00:04.28 | GeneralAntilles | corecode, you realize VAT makes up most of the price difference? |
| 00:05.20 | KenYoung | jebba, I've received an invitation to become a maintainer of the maemo extras repository, however, when I enter my public keys, I get re-directed to the same page, headed with the message "this should not happen". Do you have any idea what I may have done wrong? |
| 00:05.30 | corecode | possibly, but i'm living in a low-vat country |
| 00:06.00 | jebba | KenYoung: probably garage is down right now. Lots of server brokenness right "now" (now being between right now and october) |
| 00:06.24 | corecode | so buying in germany doesn't help me unless the dealer actually does not charge the vat |
| 00:07.25 | KenYoung | jebba, Do you know if they will be posting an "All Clear" message anywhere, or if they are explaining their progress on the move somewhere? Does the server move seem to have become stalled? |
| 00:07.55 | jebba | KenYoung: http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ sometimes has info. Or in talk.maemo.org or here. |
| 00:08.19 | KenYoung | jebba, Thanks for the pointers! |
| 00:08.24 | jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=476973 is a thread about the work. Not much for current updates though |
| 00:09.28 | jebba | though all qaiku updates are from yesterday. Lots of times if things break on the weekends they are broken all weekend. |
| 00:10.28 | smps | corecode, i ordered mine from amazon.de for 600eur i dont think you'll find cheaper right now |
| 00:11.28 | SpeedEvil | Anyone in the UK ordered from nokia.co.uk through topcashback? |
| 00:11.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering if anyones had their cashback yet. |
| 00:11.56 | SpeedEvil | Supposed to usually take a couple of months |
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| 00:14.46 | corecode | smps: outrageous |
| 00:14.56 | corecode | smps: also, amazon.de doesn't ship to .ch |
| 00:15.51 | smps | corecode, hmm how sure are you ? |
| 00:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | corecode: (VAT) afaik there's some procedure to get back VAT for devices that get exported |
| 00:16.12 | woglinde_ | ~lart the flite maintainer |
| 00:16.12 | infobot | hereby declares the flite maintainer a troll |
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| 00:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | corecode: dealer issues a special paper stating the VAT and with this paper you reclaim VAT from customs |
| 00:16.57 | smps | i was refreshing one thread on talk.maemo.org and it redirected me to forums.internettablettalk.com <- wtf ? |
| 00:19.23 | corecode | DocScrutinizer: i don't really live close to any german customs agency |
| 00:19.31 | corecode | smps: 100% |
| 00:19.41 | corecode | smps: only ships books |
| 00:19.45 | corecode | smps: no electronics |
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| 00:21.02 | smps | corecode, france ? |
| 00:22.43 | red | rofl at an Godaddy.com advertizement in one podcast |
| 00:23.05 | red | "I don't know about you, but I'm a huge hockey fan, and so is my friend Allison. We were gonna start a blog about the Stanley Cup and went to godaddy.com and tried to registed Two Girls One Cup dot com.... it was taken.. " |
| 00:23.31 | yuizy | :D |
| 00:23.51 | frals | lol |
| 00:23.54 | red | and in the end she says "please.. please don't go to two girls one cup dot com.. its not about hockey." |
| 00:23.54 | tybollt_ | :-D |
| 00:24.08 | corecode | smps: neither i think |
| 00:24.54 | svanheulen | red: I eat a chocolate candy bar every morning while watching that video |
| 00:28.06 | red | so did those girls |
| 00:28.20 | svanheulen | heh |
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| 00:31.39 | javispedro | oh hi Firebird |
| 00:33.03 | javispedro | I might want to work a bit on that SDL 1.3 port... specially adding a way to select between 2.0 and 1.0 GLES surface, possibly adding a stub renderer for 2.0, and adding some fremantle specific stuff. |
| 00:33.44 | javispedro | you're working on it? got a N900? |
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| 00:35.00 | nihil000 | hi to all |
| 00:35.16 | svanheulen | hi |
| 00:35.17 | yuizy | javispedro: someone told me that you could know how to get VGB run faster? |
| 00:35.40 | yuizy | is there any way to do that? |
| 00:36.06 | javispedro | yuizy: other than upgrading to 1.1, none that I know of. |
| 00:36.19 | yuizy | :( |
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| 00:41.12 | woglinde_ | yes |
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| 00:41.30 | woglinde_ | finally I batteld speech-dispatcher down |
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| 00:43.19 | goodwill | ? |
| 00:43.31 | DangerMaus | hehehaha |
| 00:43.48 | blandar | sounds fun woglinde_ |
| 00:43.59 | woglinde_ | yeah fun with packaging |
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| 00:44.27 | woglinde_ | but should work now either with espeak or flite |
| 00:44.38 | woglinde_ | now I have to shapen navit |
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| 00:49.05 | MohammadAGsBoyfr | MohammadAG you here sweetheart ? |
| 00:49.23 | tux900 | wtf is wrong with him |
| 00:49.26 | matthew- | http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs292.ash1/21955_232125202074_728682074_3299612_976103_n.jpg |
| 00:49.33 | matthew- | sex drugs and rock n roll ! |
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| 00:50.12 | tybollt | hookers and ... nokia cell phones! |
| 00:50.22 | matthew- | ;] |
| 00:51.03 | DangerMaus | hoes and phones gotta love it |
| 00:51.19 | matthew- | hoes and drugs |
| 00:51.21 | matthew- | and music |
| 00:51.24 | matthew- | and guiness |
| 00:51.26 | matthew- | ;] |
| 00:51.41 | tybollt | mmmh yes guiness |
| 00:53.46 | bfree | the only Guinness worth drinking is in Ireland :-D and even here better to go to the Porter House and try the Wrasslers stout instead ;-) |
| 00:54.04 | matthew- | bfree: well it's same ;d |
| 00:54.06 | ifreq | better stay on rom :-P |
| 00:54.59 | matthew- | ;] |
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| 00:57.09 | bfree | mathew-: what's the same? the Guinness? the draught Guinness outside Ireland is nothing close to the same. I never managed to even get half way through a pint of it in the UK in about 20 attempts in as many pubs :-( they adapt the recipe to the local market |
| 00:58.52 | tybollt | bfree: Really? I've had guinness in sweden, norway, denmark, england, canada, malaysia (!), thailand and couple other places - I've to say it all tasted pretty much the same |
| 01:01.52 | bfree | tybollt: yep. I don't know how many variants they have, but can say with 100% certainty the UK recipe is "adapted to the local market" (have relatives who worked in Guinnesses who warned me before I moved there, I didn't believe them until I tried to drink it) |
| 01:02.32 | tybollt | Probably takes an irishman to taste the difference: ) |
| 01:02.33 | tybollt | :) |
| 01:04.16 | bfree | and I grew to love Guinness drinking some of the worst in the country in a dingy sports club so I'll drink any muck here :-p |
| 01:09.44 | bfree | but to say something on topic, I failed to get the wmlbrowser addon to install in fennec/firefox (had to start with editing prefs.js to ignore version checks just to get it to really try) |
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| 01:10.16 | bfree | so any clues to getting a wap/wml browser working still welcome ;-) |
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| 01:11.23 | pema | repository.maemo.org is not resolving, is this due to the scheduled DNS changes or something new altogether? |
| 01:11.31 | woglinde_ | both |
| 01:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | pema, trouble at the ISP. |
| 01:13.28 | pema | dam, well looks like i picked a bad day to flash my n810 |
| 01:13.38 | pema | no trouble at all |
| 01:14.34 | tadthebuilder | hello |
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| 01:15.46 | svanheulen | pema: http://maemo.org/new/announcements/repositories_down/ |
| 01:16.18 | svanheulen | make that news not new |
| 01:16.23 | pema | thanks svanheulen |
| 01:16.27 | KenYoung | svanheulen, That page is 404 for me. |
| 01:16.36 | svanheulen | tupo, sorry |
| 01:16.39 | svanheulen | .......... |
| 01:16.42 | svanheulen | typo |
| 01:17.11 | svanheulen | hands fail |
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| 01:18.20 | pema | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/ |
| 01:18.57 | svanheulen | that's the one, heh |
| 01:19.31 | pema | news eh you missed the south, North - East - West - South |
| 01:19.40 | pema | it's the sun cross |
| 01:21.01 | pema | oh well, good luck with fixing the repo, look forward to reinstalling the apps on my n810, thanks for all your hard work guys! |
| 01:21.54 | bfree | why not do something like setup a wildcard dns on *.repository.maemo.org and point country codes to local mirrors (e.g. ca, us and mx might point to a us mirror), publish an apt-spy compatible list of mirrors and promote it as "speed up your repo access" to spread the load and make it easier to work around a broken machine (drop it's dns records and let the wildcard take over it's load)? either way no mirror(s) seems a bit brave/silly |
| 01:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | bfree, there's an Akamai cache. |
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| 01:25.48 | bfree | GeneralAntilles: thanks for the insight. I guess that makes it messy to make it more resilient (but should let it handle load easier when it's ok) |
| 01:27.09 | tadthebuilder | im out of the loop, has there been any progress on mer? |
| 01:27.21 | tadthebuilder | im still chilling with an n800 that isnt collecting dust but could be more useful |
| 01:28.48 | tadthebuilder | (with no money to buy an n900) |
| 01:29.28 | GeneralAntilles | tadthebuilder, drivers are still being worked on. |
| 01:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | tadthebuilder, they're running and working, but there's still some framebuffer weirdness to work around. |
| 01:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | 5.1 introduced some more stuff to figure out, too. |
| 01:29.59 | tadthebuilder | ah |
| 01:30.02 | tadthebuilder | I can understand that |
| 01:30.07 | GeneralAntilles | So, not a huge amount of progress lately. |
| 01:30.11 | tadthebuilder | whats the best way to keep up with mer? |
| 01:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | Holiday and whatnot are no help. ;) |
| 01:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | ~mer |
| 01:30.16 | infobot | it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 01:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | and #mer |
| 01:30.32 | tadthebuilder | gotya |
| 01:30.35 | tadthebuilder | i only checked the forum |
| 01:30.38 | tadthebuilder | and nothing was going on |
| 01:30.44 | tadthebuilder | though it might have been dead |
| 01:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | Nah |
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| 01:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | tadthebuilder, have a good holiday? |
| 01:31.13 | tadthebuilder | I did I did |
| 01:31.18 | tadthebuilder | it was really nice. |
| 01:31.22 | tadthebuilder | you? |
| 01:31.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yep, had a nice quiet one with the immediate family. |
| 01:32.16 | tadthebuilder | yeah same here |
| 01:32.47 | tadthebuilder | been really busy of course, Christmas time is a very busy time in my profession |
| 01:33.35 | tadthebuilder | so you still really liking your n900? |
| 01:34.09 | GeneralAntilles | I can imagine. ;) |
| 01:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | My slide has gone another fraction of a mm more crooked |
| 01:34.29 | GeneralAntilles | But the latest update really sped the software up. |
| 01:34.35 | tadthebuilder | thats pretty cool |
| 01:34.45 | tadthebuilder | but the big question, worth the price tag? |
| 01:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | Well, dunno, it's a September 09 proto. ;) |
| 01:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | I picked up a DDP device for about $370 that my roommate is currently using. |
| 01:35.48 | GeneralAntilles | But, even though I haven't PERSONALLY parted with $500+, I'd say it's worth the price. |
| 01:36.07 | tadthebuilder | understood |
| 01:36.34 | tadthebuilder | im still waiting for a cheap one from someone who got confused by it to show up on ebay haha |
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| 01:37.18 | tadthebuilder | in the next month or so ill be closing on a house so I cant make any big spends. |
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| 01:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | Cool, congrats. |
| 01:38.27 | GeneralAntilles | (I'd bet you'll be able to find them for around $400 after February) |
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| 01:39.11 | tadthebuilder | maybe, might get one for my wife...and hope and pray she doesnt like it...im just kidding that would be aweful |
| 01:40.02 | tadthebuilder | lukc in here? |
| 01:40.19 | tadthebuilder | lcuk |
| 01:40.22 | tadthebuilder | typo... |
| 01:41.41 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 01:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | Probably abed |
| 01:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | You're guaranteed that she'll like it. |
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| 01:42.28 | tadthebuilder | well there are a few people out there that dont like it |
| 01:42.51 | tadthebuilder | though she liked my n800 and begged for it for a little while |
| 01:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | Normal people, by and large, seem to love it. |
| 01:44.04 | tadthebuilder | unless they have been infested with the Icannotuseawebbrowserineedanappacitus |
| 01:44.06 | SpeedEvil | Random - the motherboard seems not to be an available spare in any of the vendors I've seen. |
| 01:44.37 | SpeedEvil | Is it simply you've got to buy a new phone if that dies - if you need one? |
| 01:45.20 | tadthebuilder | ive never heard of anyone replacing a mother board on a phone before |
| 01:45.31 | tadthebuilder | im satisfied with the ability to change a battery |
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| 01:47.49 | uhsf | I was thinking about buying a second battery for the Nokia N900 but Mugen Power is working on Extended Battery for N900 and will be releasing a 2300-2400mAh battery in February 2010 so I will wait for this instead. |
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| 01:48.31 | jebba | hearts netdepot.com |
| 01:48.36 | SpeedEvil | tadthebuilder: yeah - I was just idly wondering about spares policy. |
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| 01:49.38 | uhsf | Motorola Shadow Google Nexus Two really has nothing on the Nokia N900. |
| 01:49.40 | tadthebuilder | well if everything had a spare you could make your own n900 that worked on different freqeuncies. |
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| 01:53.03 | SpeedEvil | tadthebuilder: well - it's not that simple. |
| 01:53.21 | SpeedEvil | tadthebuilder: As you'd need to write custom firmware for the modem. Which is undocumented. |
| 01:53.35 | tadthebuilder | ah true |
| 01:53.36 | SpeedEvil | tadthebuilder: and almost certainly requires signed code updates. |
| 01:53.43 | tadthebuilder | forgot about the software part |
| 01:53.49 | tadthebuilder | and if your going to go to all that trouble |
| 01:54.08 | tadthebuilder | you probably have way to much time on your hands |
| 01:54.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering about stuff like adding a compass and a gyro - which is an almost trivial mod. |
| 01:54.40 | tadthebuilder | that could be interesting |
| 01:54.48 | tadthebuilder | i see the compass as being more useful than the gyro |
| 01:54.55 | tadthebuilder | but I could be wrong |
| 01:55.02 | SpeedEvil | true - but both is as easy as one. |
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| 01:55.20 | SpeedEvil | (as they are both hooked to the same power source and I2C) |
| 01:55.31 | tadthebuilder | that would void your warranty |
| 01:55.33 | tadthebuilder | haha |
| 01:55.45 | SpeedEvil | well - yes. |
| 01:56.21 | tadthebuilder | i dont like to work with hardware that small |
| 01:56.23 | tadthebuilder | ... |
| 01:56.27 | tadthebuilder | im afraid id break something |
| 01:56.37 | tadthebuilder | im fine with desktops |
| 01:56.46 | tadthebuilder | im okay with laptops |
| 01:56.51 | tadthebuilder | netbooks and below scare me |
| 01:57.40 | bfree | 2300-2400mAh sounds good but not sure it's worth a new back making the device bigger though :-/ |
| 01:57.49 | SpeedEvil | It does take a steady hand, and a good magnifying lens. |
| 01:58.18 | SpeedEvil | Much of the power gain may be gotten to some degree by software. |
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| 01:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | bfree, probably better just carrying a spare in your back pocket or something. ;) |
| 01:59.46 | SpeedEvil | If it supported suspend-disk, that'd be a no-brainer. |
| 02:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, wish we could get them to put a fatcap in there for battery swaps. |
| 02:00.52 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: well - yes. |
| 02:01.02 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: but software is free |
| 02:01.27 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: plus - you'd have to put it in lowest power mode with everything disabled |
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| 02:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: that would have to be such a fat goldcap you probably would like to consider diferent ways to achieve that functionality |
| 02:05.33 | bfree | I wonder if it can't run on a charger/usb with no battery? but maybe a 2nd external battery to provide charging over usb would do (me anyway) |
| 02:05.43 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, at the lowest power consumption the damn thing uses next to nothing. |
| 02:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | bfree, don't think it's wired up like that |
| 02:06.09 | GeneralAntilles | Though I've had Mer try to continue booting from the charger after dropping the battery out. |
| 02:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | On my N800 |
| 02:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep. but how to make *sure* it doesn't leave that lowest state during swap |
| 02:06.24 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: gold caps are orders of magnitude less dense than the battery |
| 02:06.45 | SpeedEvil | energy dense |
| 02:07.17 | tadthebuilder | goodnight all |
| 02:07.19 | tadthebuilder | sleep time |
| 02:07.42 | SpeedEvil | Assuming it's discharging at a rate which will drain the battery in 50h - for a 10s swap - you're looking at on the order of a 5V .1F cap. |
| 02:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | well that's not too bad |
| 02:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | 50h is really short. |
| 02:08.34 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt your calculation though |
| 02:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 could run for about 30 days on a 1500mA battery at approximately the lowest consumption rate |
| 02:09.06 | SpeedEvil | 1200mAh/50h = 25mA. 25mA*8s or so = 200mAs |
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| 02:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 has way better idle powersaving than OMAP2 |
| 02:09.33 | bfree | bah, now I'm getting tempted to try and quickly remove/replace the battery while my N900 is on the charger ;-) |
| 02:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | Turn off the radios. . . . |
| 02:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you can't discharge 5->0V |
| 02:09.52 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yes - if it's implemented in the same ways - IIRC the 800 did suspend |
| 02:09.57 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: 0.1F is pretty massive of a cap though |
| 02:10.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizerno - I was assuming a volt |
| 02:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, didn't. |
| 02:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, that was at regular idle. |
| 02:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, turned on, ready to be used at the tap of the screen. |
| 02:10.34 | SpeedEvil | And today I diddn't get round to finishing my current measury thing as I was fixing the cupboard under the sink to make it mouseproof. |
| 02:10.35 | SpeedEvil | meh |
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| 02:12.48 | yuizy | lol |
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| 02:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 02:13.25 | woglinde_ | bot |
| 02:13.27 | woglinde_ | war |
| 02:13.31 | go1dfish | that's rather annoying |
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| 02:13.39 | smps | blah |
| 02:13.43 | grishnav1 | what the hell? |
| 02:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | damn |
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| 02:14.01 | grishnav1 | no ops? |
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| 02:22.25 | bfree | I just closed everything and disabled wifi (so it was inactive on 3g network). but the fact it vibrated when it lost the battery says to me it has some capacity |
| 02:22.49 | blizzow | yuizy: me too. |
| 02:22.54 | blizzow | That's a bummer. |
| 02:23.26 | bfree | the charger was obviously pointless though |
| 02:23.44 | yuizy | blizzow: have you upgraded to 1.1? |
| 02:24.12 | SpeedEvil | If the charger was connected - it's not quite clear that the energy came from caps - not charger. |
| 02:24.17 | blizzow | yuizy: yeah I did two days ago, but the problem didn't start until today. |
| 02:24.25 | SpeedEvil | without circuit diagrams. |
| 02:24.34 | SpeedEvil | And much annoyuing reading of source |
| 02:24.42 | yuizy | :o |
| 02:24.56 | grishnav | wonder who in this channel got the virus :p |
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| 02:25.00 | bfree | hmmm, will I try again without the charger connected ... I don't know, maybe :-p |
| 02:25.01 | yuizy | try plugging the headphones slowly |
| 02:25.15 | yuizy | so that you hear some sound in the middle of plugging |
| 02:25.22 | yuizy | and then plug them copmletely |
| 02:25.25 | *** mode/#maemo [-o GeneralAntilles] by GeneralAntilles |
| 02:25.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, kloeri. |
| 02:25.34 | blizzow | I haven't dropped it or anything. If I really mess with the headphones and press them sideways a few times., it works fine and sounds good. But then when I unplug them and re-plug them in it works. |
| 02:25.41 | blizzow | It sounds like we have the exact same issue. |
| 02:26.26 | kloeri | hiya GeneralAntilles |
| 02:26.26 | SpeedEvil | The phone connector is not soldered to the PCB |
| 02:26.31 | yuizy | yeah |
| 02:26.33 | SpeedEvil | headphone |
| 02:26.42 | SpeedEvil | It is connected by a spring. |
| 02:26.55 | SpeedEvil | if this is dirty, the above can happen. |
| 02:27.09 | yuizy | that's weird |
| 02:27.47 | SpeedEvil | On the other hand - it means that it's much harder to break the phone irretrievably by banging the headphone jack |
| 02:28.32 | blizzow | SpeedEvil: it works with regular headphones, just not the funky connector that's used for headphones with an integrated mic. |
| 02:28.37 | matthew- | Is there some ToDo widget ? |
| 02:28.42 | blizzow | I don't think it's dirty. |
| 02:28.43 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:28.46 | matthew- | there was ToDo on all symbian mobiles before... |
| 02:28.54 | SpeedEvil | blizzow: do you have a case on it? |
| 02:29.07 | blizzow | SpeedEvil: no, it started happening a couple of hours ago. |
| 02:29.25 | blizzow | I'm going to wait until Monday and maybe stop by the Nokia headquarters in Mountain View California. |
| 02:29.38 | blizzow | This N900 was a replacement for my second N97 replacement. |
| 02:29.49 | yuizy | :D |
| 02:30.02 | blizzow | I really like the N900 a lot (unlike the N97) |
| 02:30.15 | matthew- | blizzow: Im really sorry to say, but Nokias HQ is not in Mountain View. |
| 02:30.27 | matthew- | It's not even close |
| 02:30.39 | SpeedEvil | Does it have a view of, or from a mountain? |
| 02:30.51 | matthew- | Bah, its not even American HQ in Mountan View California. |
| 02:30.58 | SpeedEvil | has a poor knowledge of .fi's geography. |
| 02:30.59 | matthew- | SpeedEvil: I think he just wantes to sound cool. |
| 02:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | matthew-: the maemo HW HQ might though |
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| 02:31.09 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer: nope. |
| 02:31.14 | jaska | .fi is pretty flat, no mountains here |
| 02:31.15 | yuizy | there's no mountains in finland |
| 02:31.22 | matthew- | :) |
| 02:31.23 | yuizy | ;( |
| 02:31.24 | yuizy | :) |
| 02:31.29 | matthew- | It used to be in Irving |
| 02:31.32 | matthew- | but they moved to Miami |
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| 02:31.56 | matthew- | Never, ever in history in California ;d |
| 02:32.14 | matthew- | ever ever ever even. |
| 02:32.16 | zash | watup with the caps? |
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| 02:32.33 | matthew- | zash: What caps ? |
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| 02:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | well there was a job offer which said 'mountain view' |
| 02:33.00 | matthew- | blizzow: So, I think you got conned if you got your n900 from California. |
| 02:33.01 | zash | looks questioning towards SpeedEvil |
| 02:33.27 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer: Oh there are offices there, and they do a bit of RnD there. |
| 02:33.41 | matthew- | i think the NPI's are there too |
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| 02:33.49 | SpeedEvil | zash: discussion of what sort of cap would be needed to do backup while battery change. |
| 02:33.51 | matthew- | but more from software side. |
| 02:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | NPI? |
| 02:34.00 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer: New Product Introduction |
| 02:34.10 | zash | SpeedEvil: cool |
| 02:34.34 | blizzow | matthew-: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=369+N+Whisman+Rd,+Mountain+View,+CA+94043&sll=37.758094,-122.519703&sspn=0.10233,0.214233&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=369+N+Whisman+Rd,+Mountain+View,+Santa+Clara,+California+94043&ll=37.404888,-122.055423&spn=0.001615,0.003347&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=37.404919,-122.055518&panoid=g40AOSi-es_E2qcNfRRULw&cbp=12,195.94,,0,-10.22 |
| 02:35.55 | ivan4th | got ffcall tests pass after working around horrible miscompilation issue with Maemo's gcc 4.2.1. Next step: CLISP+CFFI; next: CL-GTK2; next: Common Lisp bindings for Hildon? Maybe CommonQt after that?.. |
| 02:36.24 | Elleo | I just realised that big companies should really start having their buildings constructed to look like their logos from above for better google maps exposure |
| 02:36.43 | matthew- | blizzow: yes, i've been there. |
| 02:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what you need isn't a goldcap. You need a fancy little plastic and copper contacs rails gadget to temporarily connect 2 bats concurrently |
| 02:36.55 | grishnav | Elleo: that would make it really expensive to change your logo |
| 02:36.55 | matthew- | Fairchild drive. |
| 02:36.59 | matthew- | blizzow: still not a HQ |
| 02:37.13 | Elleo | heh |
| 02:37.20 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: or 3 bats, and a USB lead. |
| 02:37.22 | bfree | no vibrate when yanking battery while off the charger, so much for that theory ;-) |
| 02:37.48 | matthew- | BTW. does your device vibrate differently ? |
| 02:37.54 | matthew- | on different ocasions?:D |
| 02:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what I thought of is basically a means to swap bat in "zero time" |
| 02:38.51 | matthew- | blizzow: What are you googling for now? |
| 02:40.10 | blizzow | why people with small dicks are trolls? |
| 02:40.26 | matthew- | You tell us :-) |
| 02:41.27 | blizzow | 'cause I have a small dick, dumbass. |
| 02:41.43 | matthew- | Ah, ok. |
| 02:41.43 | *** mode/#maemo [+o GeneralAntilles] by ChanServ |
| 02:41.47 | *** mode/#maemo [-r] by GeneralAntilles |
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| 02:41.58 | GeneralAntilles | Highlight me if the spam comes back. |
| 02:41.58 | matthew- | blizzow: Well, condolences. But next time please get your facts right. |
| 02:42.09 | matthew- | GeneralAntilles: +r ? |
| 02:42.15 | matthew- | as in to registered users? |
| 02:42.17 | jaska | arr |
| 02:42.30 | matthew- | Didnt they change to ircd ... |
| 02:42.32 | blizzow | What fact is that? |
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| 02:43.01 | matthew- | blizzow: That there is no Nokia HQ in California |
| 02:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | matthew-: not yet |
| 02:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | in 2 weeks |
| 02:43.28 | jooseppi | my battery is dead, tried to charge it with an USB first, then changed to 240v outlet and now it doesnt even respond to that. |
| 02:43.35 | jooseppi | what should i do? it doesnt start |
| 02:43.36 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer: Ah, ok |
| 02:43.50 | matthew- | jooseppi: take it out, and put it in. |
| 02:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: isn't that funny? I really feel like deja-vu wrt bat charging of flat bat |
| 02:45.18 | jooseppi | i charged it first on my pc usb, then took it out because it wasnt responding and changed it to 240v outlet and now it's not responding on that either |
| 02:45.21 | jooseppi | it's just dead |
| 02:45.21 | jooseppi | -.- |
| 02:45.27 | matthew- | jooseppi: If you talk to me here, more people can contribute and help you to solve your problem. |
| 02:46.13 | matthew- | damn i got myself poured half a pint of whiskey |
| 02:46.17 | matthew- | dunno if i can hack it ;d |
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| 02:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | jooseppi: you're repeating yourself? |
| 02:46.41 | jooseppi | i know im damn drunk |
| 02:46.41 | yuizy | maybe he had some too |
| 02:46.44 | yuizy | :D |
| 02:46.49 | matthew- | ;] |
| 02:46.51 | DocScrutinizer | jooseppi: please remove bat, then after 30sec re-insert and hook up to wallcharger |
| 02:47.05 | sheepbat | <looks up> |
| 02:47.10 | sheepbat | oh, *battery* |
| 02:47.23 | yuizy | :D |
| 02:47.33 | jooseppi | not working ;< |
| 02:47.42 | jooseppi | tried to have it off for several minutes |
| 02:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | bats in my phone, eeeeek |
| 02:48.12 | jaska | a battery of bats |
| 02:48.52 | zash | battering batteries of bats |
| 02:49.46 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DeuaE1t2PI&feature=fvhl |
| 02:49.49 | matthew- | 7 year old surgeon |
| 02:50.21 | DocScrutinizerjo | jooseppi: it's working usually. It may need a remove and re-insert of charger plug, and then takes some patience as charging might happen slowly and without notice (aiui) |
| 02:54.31 | jooseppi | have had it 30 min on charger, everything is working like it should except for the phone |
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| 02:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | sorrry. no idea then. maybe charger is broken? or your mains outlet no power? |
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| 02:58.42 | yuizy | or your electricity company went down |
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| 03:01.25 | jooseppi | one fucking question: six hundred euros and the phone doesnt respond when i plug it into a charger. 12 hours and i will buy a fucking nexus 1 |
| 03:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | jooseppi, huh? |
| 03:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | fails to read the '?' |
| 03:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | jooseppi, perhaps you got a defective unit? |
| 03:02.28 | GeneralAntilles | jooseppi, hardware defects have been known to happen. . . . |
| 03:02.28 | ShadowJK_ | 2 years warranty |
| 03:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-17 03:57:35] <DocScrutinizer> sorrry. no idea then. maybe charger is broken? |
| 03:03.15 | jooseppi | thanks, will get back to you tomorrow. the charger is working fine btw. |
| 03:03.21 | jooseppi | but the phone is wasted |
| 03:03.21 | jooseppi | bye |
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| 03:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 03:04.05 | KenYoung | For a maemo 5 application, is it possible that needs GPS location information, is it possible to completely avoid dealing with DBUS if one uses the liblocation calls? |
| 03:04.35 | KenYoung | For a maemo 5 application that needs GPS location information, is it possible to completely avoid dealing with DBUS if one uses the liblocation calls? |
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| 03:04.55 | woglinde_ | ???? |
| 03:05.03 | woglinde_ | liblocation dont uses dbus |
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| 03:05.14 | woglinde_ | only glib |
| 03:06.01 | woglinde_ | good nite |
| 03:06.12 | KenYoung | woglinde_, If liblocation doesn't use DBUS, how does it acquire the GPS data? |
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| 03:07.10 | ShadowJK_ | from gpsd probably |
| 03:07.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders how anybody can state 'charger works fine' when there's no LED or anything on that black block and charging is not working allegedly |
| 03:08.46 | torindel | DocScrutinizer: maybe he got other nokia? |
| 03:09.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | aybe |
| 03:09.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I seem to remember he said he's drunk |
| 03:10.08 | torindel | xD |
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| 03:14.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | anecdotal tale. the battery of my 6210 worked for 8 years 24/7 and still has 70% today. I have to say I virtually never discharged it to flat all those 8 years of usage |
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| 03:16.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | common notion is that's impossible for LiIon. Supposed to be dead after 5 years. No matter if used or not |
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| 03:17.25 | KenYoung | DocScrutinizer, The temperature matters a lot, doen't it? |
| 03:17.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 03:18.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | and storing on flat. and deep discharge. both cause severe deterioration of cell chemistry |
| 03:18.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/on/while/ |
| 03:20.03 | bfree | lol, infobot does regular expressions :-p |
| 03:20.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | not really |
| 03:21.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | xxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 03:21.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/x/xxx/g |
| 03:21.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;f) |
| 03:21.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/f/-/ |
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| 03:22.33 | bfree | lol, looks like perl regular expressions to me |
| 03:23.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. but it,s kinda filtered. So the better parts won't work |
| 03:24.22 | jebba | man, the outages are so common nowadays, people don't even bother to file the bug report ;) |
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| 03:24.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/bet*er/xXXx/ |
| 03:24.33 | jebba | how many hours have they been down? |
| 03:25.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: maybe trac is down as well? ;-P |
| 03:25.56 | yuizy | test |
| 03:25.59 | yuizy | s/t/e/g |
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| 03:26.07 | yuizy | s/e/che/ |
| 03:26.11 | yuizy | :( |
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| 03:30.16 | goriofab | wath happened with maemo's repository? |
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| 03:30.44 | goriofab | what.. |
| 03:31.30 | smps | go1dfish, read topic |
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| 03:36.46 | cityOfLights | hi |
| 03:37.15 | cityOfLights | how come repository.maemo.org is : unknown host ? |
| 03:37.50 | odin_ | due to poorly planned changes to the maemo.org network |
| 03:39.16 | cityOfLights | odin_: oh, so what is the IP address? |
| 03:39.27 | cityOfLights | when will it be back online? |
| 03:41.34 | odin_ | dont know on that one |
| 03:42.05 | cityOfLights | thanks |
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| 03:49.50 | matthew- | ANY good ToDo planner ? |
| 03:49.53 | matthew- | foe n900 ? |
| 03:53.57 | SplasPood | I'd love something that syncs with RTM, but I haven't seen any yet |
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| 04:01.11 | SplasPood | hrm.. is the move related to why tablets-dev.nokia.com is broken? |
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| 04:02.25 | Elleo | SplasPood: NoLazy has RTM support |
| 04:02.34 | Elleo | (in extras-devel) |
| 04:02.43 | SplasPood | oh? I'll have to check it out when/if repository is fixed ;) |
| 04:03.05 | Elleo | there is a mirror at http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/ if you're impatient |
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| 04:27.10 | uhsf | so I'm about to confirm my order of a Nokia N900 at newegg.ca and be part of your community is that good |
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| 04:32.19 | uhsf | now I think I will just drink a beer to ease the pain on my so desperate nerd soul who can barely afford such expensive product |
| 04:34.33 | Proteous | heh |
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| 04:44.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | you'll forget that pain once you hold it in your hands |
| 04:51.08 | goodwill | uhsf: I agree with DocScrutinizer |
| 04:51.23 | goodwill | uhsf: I went back and forth on n900 decision ... |
| 04:51.31 | goodwill | uhsf: but it totally rocks |
| 04:51.57 | pwnguin | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/16/apple-retaliates-requests-us-import-ban-on-nokia-phones/ |
| 04:52.10 | pwnguin | good thing i got mine already! |
| 04:52.21 | goodwill | flipping APPLY |
| 04:52.23 | goodwill | APPLE |
| 04:52.28 | goodwill | back to their tricks |
| 04:53.02 | pwnguin | well, i gather nokia did it first |
| 04:53.06 | goodwill | both companies got to flipping stop doing this |
| 04:53.17 | goodwill | pwnguin: yeah ... but I dislike apple more :) |
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| 05:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, they're both pretty goddamn culpable. ;) |
| 05:05.47 | pwnguin | from what i gather apple bought some exclusive multitouch patents |
| 05:06.20 | pwnguin | and nokia would very much like to offer a competing product |
| 05:07.20 | pwnguin | its not the first time apple's secured killer features as exclusives. the original ipod had an 18 month contract for all of the micro hard drives |
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| 05:11.18 | goodwill | pwnguin: thats strange ... cause ipod was nto the first device to use them |
| 05:11.48 | pwnguin | goodwill: you sure? |
| 05:12.04 | goodwill | ipod was not the first mp3 player to use them |
| 05:12.11 | goodwill | it was just most popular at the time |
| 05:12.32 | pwnguin | name another one |
| 05:12.37 | microlith | what other mp3 player used the 5GB 1.8" drives? |
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| 05:13.00 | microlith | The nomad was out, but it used 2.5" drives |
| 05:14.22 | goodwill | thats not how I understood your comment pwnguin |
| 05:15.07 | goodwill | maybe I am wrong |
| 05:17.03 | pwnguin | if microdrive has a specific meaning, im not sure what it is |
| 05:17.18 | pwnguin | im talkin bout the original ipod design |
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| 05:17.55 | oscillik | the iPod wasn't Apple's idea anyway, an ex-Psion engineer sold his idea to Apple |
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| 05:18.59 | goodwill | Apple does not innovate .. they polish |
| 05:19.39 | oscillik | indeed |
| 05:20.34 | microlith | pwnguin: if you ask me what a microdrive is, I'd point you to the compact-flash formfactor hard disks IBM created back around the time of the original iPod Mini |
| 05:20.48 | microlith | and other devices were definitely using those |
| 05:21.03 | oscillik | they were out before iPod mini |
| 05:21.12 | microlith | yup |
| 05:21.14 | ColdFyre | is it a HW or SW issue jumping from 2.5G to 3G constantly? |
| 05:21.25 | oscillik | i remember people trying to get those ibm microdrives to work in Psion handhelds |
| 05:21.35 | oscillik | back in 1998-1999 |
| 05:21.47 | goodwill | ColdFyre: it sounds like the cell phone is detecting availablity |
| 05:21.59 | goodwill | ColdFyre: there is a plugin to limit it to one or another |
| 05:22.00 | microlith | oscillik: I wanted to get a 6GB one and stick it in a zaurus SL-C860 |
| 05:22.11 | pwnguin | alright. well i cant source it right now but i recall reading that apple had an exclusive contract on the high capacity drives in the 1st gen ipod |
| 05:22.24 | microlith | pwnguin: not unlikely |
| 05:22.31 | ColdFyre | that plugin though, if it can't hold the 3G, then i have no service |
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| 05:22.56 | microlith | ColdFyre: t-mobile? |
| 05:23.02 | ColdFyre | yes |
| 05:23.15 | goodwill | no service? |
| 05:23.21 | microlith | off chance that your 3G signal is real weak where you are |
| 05:23.29 | goodwill | I use t-mobile ... I force it down to 2.5 |
| 05:23.43 | goodwill | but then I do not really use the data services |
| 05:24.03 | ColdFyre | sometimes it will hold the 3g for hours, other times it's stuck at 2.5, i dunno |
| 05:24.15 | microlith | is still on AT&T |
| 05:24.17 | goodwill | I do not think its a phone thing |
| 05:24.25 | goodwill | I think its network availablity |
| 05:24.52 | oscillik | T-Mobile (at least in the UK) are pretty bad for 3G |
| 05:24.59 | oscillik | as well as Orange |
| 05:25.25 | goodwill | in US its pretty good |
| 05:25.28 | ColdFyre | hm, i'm in the US, silicon valley to be more specific |
| 05:25.51 | goodwill | sillicon valley should have good 3g |
| 05:25.58 | microlith | should, but this is t-mobile |
| 05:26.05 | microlith | AT&T and verizon probably have the area covered |
| 05:26.07 | goodwill | 'WFM |
| 05:26.08 | goodwill | WFM |
| 05:26.37 | ColdFyre | shrugs |
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| 05:26.45 | ColdFyre | on another note, what is up with repository.maemo.org ? |
| 05:26.54 | microlith | server migration, isp dropped the ball |
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| 05:27.26 | ColdFyre | ah, i spent hours dicking with the dns on my phone thinking i broke something |
| 05:27.39 | oscillik | anyone have any clue when it'll be back up? |
| 05:27.57 | goodwill | at least 3 iphone users at work now want the next version of N9x |
| 05:28.03 | goodwill | N9xx |
| 05:28.08 | goodwill | after seeing mine |
| 05:28.15 | microlith | goodwill: co-worker of mine is drooling over mine, only thing holding him back is the price |
| 05:28.25 | goodwill | on top of it all they really hate AT&T |
| 05:28.40 | goodwill | they do not want the hardware keyboard though |
| 05:28.42 | goodwill | and I love it |
| 05:28.54 | microlith | hardware keyboard was a selling point for me |
| 05:29.00 | oscillik | same here |
| 05:29.00 | goodwill | me too |
| 05:29.09 | microlith | real easy to avoid the iPhone/other android devices |
| 05:29.48 | goodwill | apple is so stupid for not having a iphone version with hardware keyboard |
| 05:29.49 | oscillik | lol Nexus One - with added battery-sucking 'Live Wallpaper' |
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| 05:30.16 | goodwill | a lot of business users I know do not want to give up their blackberries because of the keyboard |
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| 05:31.03 | goodwill | not to mention lock down on activesync |
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| 05:31.31 | goodwill | a friend of mine set up outlook > gmail > net sync just so he can see from his local computer |
| 05:31.47 | goodwill | he almost cried when he saw my bluetooth syncing |
| 05:32.10 | oscillik | only thing i miss android for is Google Maps, and Google contacts integration. oh and push Gmail of course. i really miss that |
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| 05:33.37 | goodwill | oscillik: ruskie has modest copiled version with IMAP IDLE |
| 05:34.05 | mza | when's that coming? |
| 05:34.06 | mza | IMAP IDLE |
| 05:34.10 | microlith | my only problem with using imap and gmail was it synced 200 spam messages |
| 05:34.18 | goodwill | oscillik: also MfE works with m.google.com |
| 05:34.24 | goodwill | not perfectly but still works |
| 05:34.33 | oscillik | yeah. not perfectly. |
| 05:34.38 | goodwill | it will all be here soon |
| 05:34.50 | goodwill | I give it 6 month till its all fixed up |
| 05:35.12 | oscillik | tbh, just the fact that the email client doesn't support IMAP IDLE, that's a really big let down from my perspective |
| 05:35.37 | oscillik | if it'd support that, i'd have no major complaints about the N900 |
| 05:35.42 | mza | IMAP IDLE and any kind of calendar sync |
| 05:36.06 | goodwill | oscillik: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#My_repos |
| 05:36.14 | mza | well, decent calendar sync |
| 05:36.27 | goodwill | oscillik: I managed to set up successfull gmail sync |
| 05:36.53 | goodwill | oscillik: talk to ruskie first though ... he had some bits of info on it |
| 05:37.08 | oscillik | goodwill: i tried getting that to work, couldn't even add the repository. App Manager was complaining it couldn't access t or something |
| 05:37.32 | goodwill | oscillik: you need to import the ssl certificate |
| 05:38.01 | oscillik | i don't remember reading anything about that in the wiki :-/ |
| 05:38.15 | goodwill | oscillik: talk to ruskie ... he is around all the time |
| 05:39.13 | blizzow | What's the story with Vuze shares on the N900 media player. I see my roommate's vuze instance, but can't see mine. I was wondering how I might make it available to my N900. |
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| 05:40.10 | oscillik | goodwill: thanks, i shall give him a nudge sometime. i'm gonna head off to bed i think now though - it's 5:39am here :p |
| 05:40.33 | goodwill | blizzow: vuze shares? what service is it using? |
| 05:40.57 | goodwill | loves the stylus |
| 05:41.11 | goodwill | I just can not believe you can not buy replace ones from nokia |
| 05:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | I don't use the stylus much |
| 05:42.11 | GeneralAntilles | But the one on the N800 was top-notch |
| 05:42.20 | GeneralAntilles | First stylus since the Newton that actually felt good to hold. |
| 05:42.45 | goodwill | I like the fact that n900 stylus is flat |
| 05:43.08 | pronto | hrm, the camera needs a panorama thing |
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| 05:43.57 | blizzow | goodwill: I have no idea, I just see my roommate's vuze instance in the media player In the lower left part of the window, it just says "vuze on roommatecomputer" I tap it, and it shows no shared files. |
| 05:43.57 | blizzow | If I can have access to my desktop library via the media player, I would configure vuze to share it. |
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| 05:45.36 | goodwill | blizzow: maybe he did not configure it to share actual files |
| 05:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | goodwill: the finish site with spare parts lists sylus for 7.5 EUR |
| 05:46.15 | goodwill | dockane_: U am in US ... I doubt they will ship it here |
| 05:46.55 | blizzow | goodwill: I set up a "classic-share" on my own desktop and I still only see my roommate's vuze instance. I guess I'm more wondering if there is a way to choose from multiple vuze shares. |
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| 05:48.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 |
| 05:49.48 | blizzow | And I was also wondering if there is a way to manually refresh the media library. A bunch of files are listed in my library that are no longer there. |
| 05:50.10 | goodwill | dockane_: I think they are out of stock |
| 05:50.28 | goodwill | DocScrutinizer: thank you for the tip but I think they are out of stock |
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| 06:04.52 | uhsf | at least in the next few days i will have a nice and shiny new phone if someone ever decides to call me! |
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| 06:06.09 | fureddo | Anyone has the latest link to the Maemo 5 SDK installter? |
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| 06:33.23 | sylarpowa | hi all |
| 06:34.11 | goodwill | is talk.maemo.org now down too? |
| 06:34.19 | goodwill | hello |
| 06:49.52 | microlith | goodwill: up for me |
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| 06:50.55 | uhsf | as i said earlier today i just think maemo.org is just painfully slow and has a hard time struggling with the increasing popularity due to the N900 |
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| 06:51.55 | uhsf | i wish maemo.org upgrades it's hosting soon |
| 06:52.14 | microlith | it's in the process of upgrading |
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| 07:04.35 | sylarpowa | mmm is pyside broken? |
| 07:05.05 | sylarpowa | I get an undefined symbol error when trying to use pyside.maemo |
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| 07:07.43 | El_Angelo | be glad the channel isn't hosted on maemo.org |
| 07:07.49 | El_Angelo | or it would prolly be down as well |
| 07:10.29 | Arkenoi | wishes there could be a way to view short message details, similar to email header: originating smsc at least. my old nokia 9500 can do that! |
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| 07:45.50 | cold\cell | irc'ing from my n900 in a bar!! |
| 07:50.51 | `0660 | boring night at the bar? :) |
| 07:51.25 | cold\cell | everyone is on thier iphones |
| 07:53.22 | cold\cell | a;msot dtunk |
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| 07:57.47 | lcukn900 | \me dislikes sunday mornings |
| 07:58.06 | cold\cell | aat night here |
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| 07:59.04 | LuciusMare | hi,anybody thought of porting vlc to maemo? |
| 08:00.06 | microlith | I think some people are looking into it |
| 08:00.21 | L0cutus | re |
| 08:00.28 | microlith | but as mplayer gets more optimized, the need for it will probably dip |
| 08:02.36 | LuciusMare | i dont think so,vlc is a great tool for streaming |
| 08:02.56 | LuciusMare | and aside from that,it is also a good player |
| 08:06.05 | cold\cell | windows media player |
| 08:06.15 | microlith | hush cold\cell |
| 08:06.24 | LuciusMare | stabs coldcell |
| 08:06.34 | microlith | drunk people say silly things |
| 08:06.51 | cold\cell | ;p |
| 08:07.07 | cold\cell | whp sai i was drunk |
| 08:07.23 | LuciusMare | er |
| 08:07.31 | LuciusMare | it is kinda obvious |
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| 08:07.38 | cold\cell | oh |
| 08:09.01 | LuciusMare | moo pupnik |
| 08:10.17 | cold\cell | not sure if this old creepy dude is staring at me or my n900 |
| 08:10.47 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 08:10.57 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 08:11.05 | LuciusMare | is hildon opensource? |
| 08:11.46 | LuciusMare | after hassles,i heard that all nokia gui things are closed source,and it would be a shame if hildon would be also closed |
| 08:11.48 | lcukn900 | i dont think hildon himself is opensource, but his framework is |
| 08:12.25 | LuciusMare | what does it mean? |
| 08:12.41 | LuciusMare | can i take the code, modify it and use it in my devices? |
| 08:12.57 | LuciusMare | (in case i would be a pda manufacturer) |
| 08:14.06 | lcukn900 | go grab hildon |
| 08:14.14 | lcukn900 | its not an os distro tho |
| 08:14.24 | lcukn900 | its a component part |
| 08:16.42 | doc|home | LuciusMare: check the licence for hildon itself. If it's gpl then you can, provided you provide access to the source as the license stipulates |
| 08:16.55 | doc|home | guessing lgpl |
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| 08:17.52 | lcukn900 | hey seb |
| 08:18.38 | LuciusMare | huh,uh. |
| 08:19.19 | LuciusMare | creative commons? O_o |
| 08:21.23 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 08:21.46 | LuciusMare | it was the license of the wiki page -_- |
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| 08:24.51 | pupnik | hi |
| 08:24.54 | pupnik | i |
| 08:24.58 | pupnik | dont |
| 08:25.00 | pupnik | google |
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| 08:25.20 | LuciusMare | your space key is broken? |
| 08:26.11 | SplasPood | enter works fine |
| 08:26.32 | LuciusMare | i see |
| 08:27.46 | LuciusMare | hm,when i am developing an app,should i use qt or gtk? |
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| 08:28.40 | lcukn900 | luc depends on history and your skills |
| 08:28.59 | lcukn900 | are you happy in c or c++ or neither |
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| 08:31.09 | LuciusMare | well, i cant code very much :/ |
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| 08:31.31 | LuciusMare | *very well |
| 08:31.47 | LuciusMare | i want to learn |
| 08:31.50 | lcukn900 | then it doesnt matter what |
| 08:31.58 | LuciusMare | hah |
| 08:32.15 | LuciusMare | so,let's give qt a shot |
| 08:32.27 | LuciusMare | brb |
| 08:32.30 | lcukn900 | good |
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| 08:34.07 | slonopotamus | how do you use powertop on n8x0? it shows nothing except for C states because of lack of kernel config params. |
| 08:35.51 | ravas | #/join #maemo-devel |
| 08:40.11 | ravas | ps slonopotamus, that was not a mean way of pointing you to maemo-devel, that was just me mis-typing :) |
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| 08:50.02 | cold\cell | im sorry but palying with with liqflow whiled drunk is freaking sweet |
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| 09:25.31 | slonopotamus | anyone else experiences non-working enter is some programs in fremantle xterm? for example, search (/) in less. |
| 09:26.10 | slonopotamus | it prints ESCOM, whatever that means. |
| 09:27.13 | slonopotamus | ahha. bug 6009 |
| 09:27.14 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications |
| 09:29.34 | Stskeeps | that might be HIM shit |
| 09:29.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:30.38 | LuciusMare_away | same here |
| 09:30.49 | LuciusMare | i cant even use space |
| 09:30.53 | bleader | slonopotamus: yes, when getting my screen back on n900, most of the time I have to use ctrl-m in mutt |
| 09:30.57 | slonopotamus | very annoying. |
| 09:30.59 | LuciusMare | so no bbs :( |
| 09:31.16 | LuciusMare | Stskeeps: i hope they'll fix it |
| 09:31.39 | Stskeeps | submit a patch, it's open source |
| 09:31.47 | Stskeeps | and openly developed |
| 09:32.16 | LuciusMare | heh..eheh... |
| 09:32.20 | LuciusMare | cant code |
| 09:32.24 | LuciusMare | :( |
| 09:32.47 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009#c9 |
| 09:32.49 | povbot` | Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications |
| 09:32.55 | slonopotamus | everything is already submitted. |
| 09:33.08 | LuciusMare | slonopotamus: the patch? |
| 09:34.58 | slonopotamus | LuciusMare, just reed comments 6 and 9. |
| 09:35.22 | LuciusMare | brb |
| 09:35.45 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i don't think the right people to get the patch is CC'ed |
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| 09:36.43 | Stskeeps | well, inz may be or RST38h |
| 09:36.46 | Stskeeps | both have commit access |
| 09:36.50 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, comment #11. |
| 09:37.03 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:37.04 | Stskeeps | good |
| 09:37.10 | Stskeeps | well then it's well underway |
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| 09:41.30 | __ibz | bleader: do you run mutt on the device, or do you use ssh+mutt to a remote box? |
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| 09:44.30 | bleader | __ibz: ssh + screen + mutt actually |
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| 09:49.09 | __ibz | bleader: i see. what do you lose by running mutt directly on the device? everyone appears to do the same as you.. |
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| 09:49.57 | bleader | __ibz: well I do have a screen with irssi and I'm always getting it |
| 09:50.32 | bleader | so having mutt inside the same screen allows me to have mail + irc wherever I go without anything on device I'm using |
| 09:51.01 | bleader | additionally, there are quite a lot of phone service providers in france who aren't including mail in data plan |
| 09:51.19 | bleader | it's like unlimited web (in a 500MB limit...) and 10MB for mails |
| 09:51.23 | bleader | or so |
| 09:51.43 | bleader | it's more an habit than anything else actually, I could use mutt on the device now |
| 09:52.16 | bleader | and actually with C-m working as a return for now, I'm not really disturbed by this, was just saying, I also have an issue :) |
| 09:54.26 | __ibz | thanks, yeah, i get my device tomorrow, so can't help with your issue - i was just asking what the pros and cons were between running locally, and using ssh. |
| 09:55.21 | __ibz | irssi i can understand, but mutt+imap, doesn't make much sense to me, to run remotely |
| 09:56.20 | red | id imagine having irssi on at the phone would make you connect/disconnect spam all over |
| 09:56.25 | red | :p |
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| 09:56.36 | red | if you keep it on 24/7 |
| 09:56.57 | FIQ | Wtf happened tonight? |
| 09:56.59 | __ibz | red: indeed. and i understand that, but mutt+imap carries little "state" |
| 09:57.02 | red | damned Cinema 4D.. left it to render last night after working for hours and it had rendered 50 frames before going "out of memory.." |
| 09:57.07 | FIQ | mass-excessflood, d/c, etc |
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| 09:58.09 | Stskeeps | FIQ: freenode getting attacked :P |
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| 09:59.37 | FIQ | ah |
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| 09:59.44 | slonopotamus | fights with gdb |
| 10:00.31 | gilead | hi, I try to download flasher and image for my n900 but access to tablets-dev.nokia.com currently fails. Any news about that? |
| 10:01.10 | Stskeeps | gilead: probably connected to what's in topic |
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| 10:02.33 | lardman|home | morning |
| 10:03.07 | gilead | stskeeps: possible. I would like to update my n900 but I installed so many extra apps that it fails |
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| 10:04.09 | Stskeeps | gilead: best thing i can say is to wait for monday :/ |
| 10:04.40 | pupnik_ | enjoy the outdoors a bit |
| 10:04.40 | _|Nix|_ | Hey! What's going on with repository.maemo.org |
| 10:04.41 | felipec | anyone knows anything about the issue of the builder using the new SDK, and the web interface checking dependencies with the old one? |
| 10:04.43 | _|Nix|_ | ? |
| 10:05.07 | pupnik_ | no |
| 10:05.10 | Luser | _|Nix|_, they are down |
| 10:05.10 | gilead | Stskeeps: I will. But today I have time and next week I won't :( |
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| 10:05.53 | _|Nix|_ | Luser: *sigh* ... thanks ... |
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| 10:07.17 | slonopotamus | craaap :( |
| 10:08.00 | lardman|home | updates sb apt sources to point to jebba's mirror |
| 10:08.21 | lardman|home | but indeed, crap, bad time for the repos to go down, when people actually want to do work |
| 10:08.39 | slonopotamus | fixes stack corruption in his program. |
| 10:08.43 | Stskeeps | _|Nix|_: topic |
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| 10:09.46 | lardman|home | otoh I can't seem to fetch Package lists from jebba's mirror |
| 10:10.48 | lardman|home | what are other people using in sources.list? |
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| 10:11.11 | lardman|home | e.g. deb http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free ?? |
| 10:11.20 | Stskeeps | no non-free on there |
| 10:11.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:11.27 | lardman|home | ah yes |
| 10:13.12 | lardman|home | Err http://espejo.freemoe.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages |
| 10:13.12 | lardman|home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:14.02 | lardman|home | Failed to fetch http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Unable to connect to espejo.freemoe.org http: |
| 10:14.24 | Stskeeps | hey MoonTiger |
| 10:14.26 | lardman|home | I guess that's my fault somewhere there |
| 10:16.48 | frals | lardman: does he have the sdk mirrored? might only be extras/testing/devel |
| 10:17.05 | frals | uh, nvm, says on his page sdk is mirrored :P |
| 10:17.05 | lardman|home | I get the same error for all the repos |
| 10:17.23 | lardman|home | extras* |
| 10:17.41 | lardman|home | strange, I can wget the Packages.gz file |
| 10:20.45 | Shrik3 | the repos are all broken |
| 10:21.15 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 10:21.25 | RST38h | HELO lardman, frals, Stskeeps |
| 10:21.42 | frals | mornin o/ |
| 10:21.52 | RST38h | Looks like I have resolved the FBReader scroll-on-tap problem |
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| 10:22.35 | frals | hmm, turns out "Photos" or whatever the image viewer is called doesnt show .wbmp :( |
| 10:23.10 | cosmo | never even heard of .wbmp |
| 10:23.18 | ifreq | frals: and how common is this format? |
| 10:23.20 | Stskeeps | frals: gstreamer codec maybe? |
| 10:23.51 | frals | ifreq: someone reported that fMMS didnt handle it, so I assume someone still uses it |
| 10:24.14 | frals | Stskeeps: loaded it into a gtk.pixmap and it showed up fine |
| 10:24.32 | MoonTiger | hey Stskeeps :) |
| 10:27.32 | lardman|home | hi RST38h |
| 10:28.19 | lardman|home | anyone else got the mirror repos working for them in sb? |
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| 10:29.32 | timeless | frals: you visiting HEL soon? |
| 10:29.52 | frals | timeless: hopefully yes, date not set yet |
| 10:30.20 | timeless | cosmo, wbmp is a failed mobile bmpp |
| 10:30.44 | timeless | from the idiots who brought you wap,wml |
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| 10:31.33 | timeless | anone here ever read the aemo5 hig? |
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| 10:32.53 | cosmo | timeless: ah ok.. i did some wap stuff back in the 90's but i've forgotten it all :) |
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| 10:33.08 | timeless | wise |
| 10:33.12 | cosmo | really terrible stuff |
| 10:34.00 | frals | agreed |
| 10:34.20 | RST38h | Ok, so, for one thing, Maemo is unable to detect finger tapping. |
| 10:35.01 | RST38h | And, secondly, when they say "stylus not moved if it has not moved farther than 5 pixels" is wrong for our devices |
| 10:35.24 | villager | what would be different between a finger tap and a stylus tap? |
| 10:35.29 | RST38h | For us, it is more like 20 :) |
| 10:35.39 | RST38h | villager: pressure reading, apparently |
| 10:35.56 | RST38h | Actually, I *can* make it kinda recognize my finger, semireliably |
| 10:36.04 | villager | I mean, what would you use that distinction for? |
| 10:36.04 | RST38h | But it is inexact science |
| 10:36.27 | RST38h | villager: stylus (or nail) for selection, finger for turning pages |
| 10:36.38 | villager | hmm |
| 10:37.24 | villager | I'm sure I might want to use the stylus for turning pages if I had it in hand, but ok |
| 10:37.53 | villager | I figured the maemo way is to use a swipe to turn pages |
| 10:37.55 | RST38h | you can, there is an option for that |
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| 10:38.16 | RST38h | Not really, in fact FBReader code explicitely says "swipe = do not turn pages" |
| 10:38.53 | villager | what does a swipe do then? |
| 10:39.00 | RST38h | nothing. |
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| 10:39.28 | RST38h | Maybe I can actually make swipe turn pages, not a bad idea |
| 10:40.28 | villager | well, I'm not using fbreader myself... don't really have anything to read on it |
| 10:41.42 | villager | I don't suppose it would read pdfs? |
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| 10:42.18 | RST38h | no, but why would you read pdfs? |
| 10:43.14 | villager | when people make pdfs, they usually mean for people to read it? I have some documents in pdf format... |
| 10:43.59 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm missing something. Why would you ever want a touch on the page not to change pages |
| 10:44.18 | LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: moving on the zoomed page |
| 10:44.37 | SpeedEvil | oh - I never use zoom, as it's generally insane. |
| 10:46.24 | LuciusMare | me neither ;) |
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| 10:49.35 | LuciusMare | moo |
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| 10:54.10 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: There are two types of touches: stylus and finger |
| 10:54.15 | RST38h | + there is touch+slide |
| 10:54.25 | RST38h | They do not want touch+slide to switch pages |
| 10:54.44 | RST38h | scroll-on-finger-only is an option tat you can enable though |
| 10:54.56 | RST38h | but it does not work on Maemo because our touchscreen is kinda shitty |
| 10:56.06 | RST38h | now, even generic touch does not always work and I have found why |
| 10:56.14 | LuciusMare | wat? |
| 10:56.18 | RST38h | the reason is somewhat funny though ;) |
| 10:56.22 | LuciusMare | n900 touchscreen is good |
| 10:56.40 | LuciusMare | hm,tell us the reason :) |
| 10:56.45 | pupnik | RST38h: i can scroll through vgba maemo settings just fine |
| 10:56.55 | pupnik | i use fingernail always though |
| 10:57.13 | RST38h | pupnik: I am specifically talking of FBReader |
| 10:57.34 | RST38h | the lack of clear distinction between scroll and select in Hildon is a different thing |
| 10:58.04 | pupnik | ok thanks |
| 10:58.36 | pupnik | 120hz 3d monitors 230 euro in germany. hallelujah ... finally |
| 10:58.46 | pupnik | lcd catches up to crt |
| 10:59.03 | LuciusMare | woah |
| 10:59.13 | RST38h | when it catches in terms of color gamut, come back and tell us =) |
| 10:59.23 | pupnik | meh. |
| 10:59.53 | pupnik | my iiyama/diamondtron still works. so i'm keepin it |
| 10:59.58 | red | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.00 | red | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.22 | red | gif whye |
| 11:02.24 | cehteh | is the n900 touchscreen pressure sensitive? .. i dont see any app which takes advantage of that |
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| 11:04.01 | RST38h | cehteh: it is supposed to be but it is not really |
| 11:04.17 | LuciusMare | dear god touchsearch sucks |
| 11:04.38 | red | you keep dodging the question |
| 11:05.26 | LuciusMare | i dont want to use your freaking customized google, that gives you money everytime i search |
| 11:05.33 | LuciusMare | >:( |
| 11:05.53 | red | that app is redundant anyway |
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| 11:06.28 | LuciusMare | not really |
| 11:06.54 | cold\cell | ponies |
| 11:06.57 | LuciusMare | its useful, i keep searhing through a lot of engines |
| 11:06.57 | cold\cell | damnit |
| 11:07.03 | cold\cell | still drunk |
| 11:07.35 | LuciusMare | apparently |
| 11:07.44 | red | www.googlegooglegooglegoogle.com is the winner |
| 11:07.52 | LuciusMare | lolwut? |
| 11:08.11 | red | whats better than google? |
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| 11:08.16 | red | FOUR GOOGLES |
| 11:09.03 | LuciusMare | i think you meant "yahoo" |
| 11:09.08 | cehteh | RST38h: well 3 sensities would be nice already .. /me once added a 'pressed' state to the synaptics driver which can be used for some things |
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| 11:10.35 | timeless | anone here ever read the aemo5 hig? |
| 11:11.23 | timeless | anyone here ever read the maemo5 hig? |
| 11:11.45 | ColdFyre | gah |
| 11:11.50 | pupnik | parts |
| 11:11.56 | ColdFyre | is there a way to get an arabic virtual keyboard? |
| 11:11.56 | wazd | hello maemo |
| 11:12.17 | pupnik | hahahah red nice |
| 11:12.23 | pupnik | i wazd |
| 11:12.50 | timeless | coldfyre: what's the rush? |
| 11:13.01 | ColdFyre | rush? |
| 11:13.16 | RST38h | cehteh: let us just say that it is not a software problem. |
| 11:13.30 | cehteh | *cough* :) |
| 11:13.43 | ColdFyre | what rusdh? |
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| 11:14.11 | red | RST38h: so you are saying theres a design flaw in N900 touch screen, which causes the odd quirks? |
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| 11:14.58 | frals | timeless: i've skimmed through it, why? |
| 11:16.30 | red | RST38h: why just go on implying things, but not saying anything? makes you feel cool? should just be quiet, if you don't want to share what you know/think you know. :p |
| 11:16.38 | RST38h | sighs |
| 11:16.48 | red | my point exactly |
| 11:16.57 | RST38h | red: I am saying that the pressure readings from N800, N810, and N900 touchscreens cannot be trusted. |
| 11:17.17 | RST38h | Thus, any program that tries using these settings to do stuff is faulty |
| 11:17.49 | LuciusMare | stop,think and collaborate |
| 11:18.23 | RST38h | Furthermore, I am saying that the screen is so small that you cannot assume that the stylus release will happen within the 5x5 spot from the stylus press, like FBReader assumes |
| 11:18.44 | LuciusMare | where can i find a guide how to read data from sensors? (such as accelerometers, proximity sensor and such) |
| 11:18.50 | RST38h | Especially if the "stylus" is your finger which the touchscreen has detected god-knws-where |
| 11:19.01 | RST38h | Lucius: maemo.org Development section. |
| 11:19.33 | red | aye, thats quite logic. finger/stylus will mostly move more than 5px from the spot you push it down at when releasing the pressure - unless you really concentrate on it, and even then it will move few pixels |
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| 11:21.30 | frals | ~curse osso_filemanager |
| 11:21.31 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, osso_filemanager ! |
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| 11:21.47 | frals | not being able to open any path in it is.. :( |
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| 11:26.36 | red | wonder what it's name is, if you tried to launch it in terminal with gainroot? |
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| 11:28.26 | pupnik_ | lol, the best thing ever is having an unpatched t-online dsl modem |
| 11:28.57 | pupnik_ | you can see exactly what they are doing |
| 11:30.39 | frals | red: i'm doing a dbus call to open it with path as /home/user/.dir.. appearently it refuses to open any dir that is below ~/MyDocs (it seems) |
| 11:31.14 | wazd | daaamn, Eldar will never stop :D |
| 11:31.33 | frals | wazd: the WM7 stuff? just read that hehe |
| 11:31.36 | LuciusMare | where can i find a guide how to read data from sensors? (such as accelerometers, proximity sensor and such) |
| 11:31.56 | red | frals: tested with root rights? |
| 11:32.05 | red | guess you did, annoying |
| 11:32.16 | LuciusMare | :( |
| 11:32.23 | LuciusMare | please? |
| 11:32.30 | frals | red: since its a user-facing gui i prefer if it didnt launch it as root |
| 11:32.34 | frals | LuciusMare: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers |
| 11:32.40 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: search the wiki for the keyword |
| 11:32.51 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 11:33.16 | red | frals: preferrable yeah, but guessing it might be the only way for now |
| 11:33.27 | frals | gonna try it as root and see if it works |
| 11:34.41 | frals | didnt work either |
| 11:36.17 | LuciusMare | hm, i heard that n900's got a serial console... where? |
| 11:36.59 | slonopotamus | meh, disks from ovi has very stupid ai. |
| 11:37.10 | RST38h | wazd: What? Predicting immediate death of Noia again? |
| 11:38.42 | wazd | RST38h: better :) |
| 11:38.54 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/17/early-windows-mobile-7-build-given-some-hands-on-time-incompati/1#comments |
| 11:39.28 | RST38h | wazd: Last time I checked he has been pissing all over some hapless "journalist" girl writing for a competing site |
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| 11:39.56 | frals | he certainly knows how to generate site traffic |
| 11:40.36 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 11:41.05 | thresh | ah, muldar again |
| 11:41.34 | timeless | i'm trying to get someone to confirm a bug |
| 11:41.46 | LuciusMare | timeless: what but? |
| 11:43.22 | slonopotamus | wazd, who cares about winmo... |
| 11:45.27 | LuciusMare | wait |
| 11:45.32 | LuciusMare | nevermind |
| 11:45.49 | LuciusMare | i parsed winmo as something completely different |
| 11:46.05 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 11:47.08 | Luser | is it possible to control media player from the command line? like go to next track. and what about volume control? on an n800? |
| 11:47.19 | red | brainstorming guide voice is quite Finglish |
| 11:47.32 | red | wasn't sure at first if it was a voice synthesizer or a person |
| 11:47.35 | red | :> |
| 11:48.02 | LuciusMare | Luser: maybe,if mediaplayer accepts dbus poking |
| 11:48.17 | Luser | LuciusMare, yes but I'm so bad with dbus.. |
| 11:48.31 | LuciusMare | me too :x |
| 11:48.58 | LuciusMare | but let's just read the medpla manual pages or/and refferences |
| 11:49.21 | LuciusMare | (me wonders if he spelt "refferences" correctly) |
| 11:49.34 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: not enough f's. |
| 11:49.44 | Luser | ah I've found how to pause.. dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.osso_media_server /com/nokia/osso_media_server com.nokia.osso_media_server.music.pause |
| 11:49.49 | LuciusMare | reffferences? |
| 11:50.05 | LuciusMare | >_< |
| 11:50.14 | LuciusMare | you are just fucking with me,right? |
| 11:51.38 | LuciusMare | Luser: win,now write a script or make an alias |
| 11:52.44 | Luser | LuciusMare, well, I only found pause/resume. the script on top of it, I know how to do this. its just dbus that bothers me |
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| 11:53.12 | LuciusMare | google for dbus tutorial,or something |
| 11:53.20 | Shadikka_ | ah, so that was what it was |
| 11:53.28 | red | or googlegooglegooglegoogle.com for dbus tutorial and the likes! |
| 11:53.29 | LuciusMare | or try to catch the dbus messages with dbus-monitor |
| 11:53.35 | Shadikka_ | Wondered why I had a long line of "no such nick/channel" :P |
| 11:53.44 | LuciusMare | red: hush,hush,hush,hush |
| 11:54.46 | Luser | LuciusMare, yes exactly what I'm doing with dbus-monitor. Now I have a hundred lines to analyse.. |
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| 11:55.32 | LuciusMare | meh |
| 11:55.40 | LuciusMare | grep the ones with mediaplayer |
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| 11:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | google for mdbus. get strings and do 'strings /usr/bin/mediaplayer' |
| 11:58.43 | Luser | ok no binutils, time to use the mirror repo then.. :) |
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| 11:59.27 | Luser | DocScrutinizer, that's hardcore, I like it |
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| 12:00.11 | user__ | hello |
| 12:00.24 | pupnik_ | http://www.instructables.com/id/MintyBoost!---Small-battery-powered-USB-charger/ |
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| 12:01.10 | pupnik_ | ponders just using 4x AAs and ignoring voltage regulation |
| 12:01.37 | LuciusMare | lol |
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| 12:02.42 | wazd | RST38h: well, that girl acts just like eldar actually. When I was talking with her she mentioned herself as Chief Editor like 5 times or so :D |
| 12:02.56 | LuciusMare | oy |
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| 12:03.11 | Stskeeps | the internet: where everyone can be a chief editor of your own shitty blog |
| 12:03.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:03.28 | RST38h | wazd: Well, she is a stupid pseudo-journo girl |
| 12:03.42 | RST38h | wazd: Not even *supposed* to behave as an intelligent human being |
| 12:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: that will fry your device |
| 12:03.50 | easy-debian-user | does the java plugin on easy-debian on the n900 work? the browser always hangs whenever i try to access a page using the java plugin |
| 12:04.03 | RST38h | wazd: I am not going to apply the same expectations to Eldar though |
| 12:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: USB Vmax 5.25V |
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| 12:04.53 | pupnik_ | sorry i meant 1.2v Ni-MH |
| 12:05.01 | ShadowJK_ | it's not like alkaline would give 6V for more than a few minutes anyway |
| 12:05.21 | timeless | frals, bug 8149 |
| 12:05.22 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8149 edit net radio station dialog (mp_ti_edit_radio) labels aren't left aligned |
| 12:05.23 | Luser | hum looks like diablo is not mirrored :( and binutils pulls libgcc1 which is conflicting with diablos one. so.. no strings for now |
| 12:06.30 | Stskeeps | ponders about the concert selection in poland |
| 12:06.34 | Stskeeps | metal and chippendales |
| 12:07.05 | RST38h | isn't sure what chippendales is but the name sounds uncomfortable |
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| 12:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu9mx_patrick-swayze-chippendale_fun |
| 12:07.44 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Is Gadget involved? |
| 12:08.10 | Stskeeps | RST38h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chippendales |
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| 12:08.58 | RST38h | Stskeeps: <urgh> |
| 12:09.56 | RST38h | would probably take a visit to the zoo over this any time |
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| 12:14.11 | LuciusMare | zoo? |
| 12:15.15 | timeless | easy-debian-user: it's certainly not supported |
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| 12:16.46 | timeless | ... install debuging symbols and gdb |
| 12:16.54 | timeless | get a stack trace from gdb |
| 12:17.19 | LuciusMare | what's this easy-debian thingy anyway? |
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| 12:17.42 | timeless | obviously it isn't easy |
| 12:19.30 | barfoos__n900 | it a debian image you can chroot into and install/use debian packages |
| 12:20.02 | barfoos__n900 | s/it/it's/ |
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| 12:20.42 | odin_ | how do you get a core dump from N900 ? |
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| 12:20.58 | timeless | odin: for what purpose? |
| 12:21.07 | timeless | it's a standard linux.. |
| 12:21.47 | odin_ | well "ulimit -c unlimited" is set so and "tracker-status" says "Segmentation fault" (maybe someone can try on their handset too) |
| 12:22.02 | odin_ | maybe a sub-process SIGSEGV |
| 12:22.19 | timeless | odin: install crash-reporter |
| 12:22.35 | timeless | ~ $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |
| 12:22.36 | timeless | |/usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper --pid=%p --signal=%s |
| 12:23.03 | odin_ | I have "/what/me/worry" in "/proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern" |
| 12:23.18 | timeless | right |
| 12:23.22 | timeless | odin: install crash-reporter |
| 12:23.59 | odin_ | need to lookup repo, as its no in the default ones apt-get has setup |
| 12:24.31 | odin_ | I'll google in a bit need to grab a drink |
| 12:26.09 | timeless | odin: roughly you collecting a core dump by hand for a nokia process is a waste of everyone's time |
| 12:26.37 | timeless | crash-reporter otoh collects the core and other bits for you and sends them to nokia in a nice little package |
| 12:27.00 | timeless | crash-reporter otoh collects the core and other bits for you and sends them to nokia in a nice little packagealthough, in my case it collected 50 reports and forgot the 'send' step.. |
| 12:27.12 | odin_ | are kernel crash dumps the same ? I have not seen an Opps (maybe I never had one) |
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| 12:28.02 | timeless | crash-reporter can handle oops's too |
| 12:30.06 | cvandonderen | Does anybody have an idea for an app for Maemo but no time to make it? |
| 12:30.09 | cvandonderen | I'm bored |
| 12:30.49 | LuciusMare | how can i vibeate? |
| 12:30.53 | LuciusMare | urh |
| 12:30.58 | LuciusMare | i mean |
| 12:31.12 | LuciusMare | how can i use the vibration module? |
| 12:31.26 | Stskeeps | cvandonderen: tile cacher for Maep |
| 12:32.01 | LuciusMare | evolution and life simulator |
| 12:32.21 | cvandonderen | LuciusMare: that is an interesting one, something like game of life |
| 12:32.30 | cvandonderen | Stskeeps: where is the sourcecode |
| 12:32.38 | red | cvandonderen: oh yes :> |
| 12:32.43 | Stskeeps | cvandonderen: well, repository.maemo.org atm :P or garage.maemo.org somewhere |
| 12:32.59 | nedko | what is wrong with repository.maemo.org? i cannot resolve it |
| 12:33.01 | cvandonderen | repository.maemo.org is down for me ATM |
| 12:33.06 | cvandonderen | nedko: hahah |
| 12:33.09 | nedko | heh |
| 12:33.10 | nedko | :) |
| 12:33.48 | LuciusMare | and well yes |
| 12:33.56 | LuciusMare | desktop plugin for game of life |
| 12:35.03 | cvandonderen | LuciusMare: that should give me some experience with the platform too ;-) |
| 12:35.15 | cvandonderen | the desktop widgets can be done in Qt right? |
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| 12:40.17 | Luser | so.. it's not possible to go to next track in media player using dbus as the playlist is handled internally in media player. doh I'll have to stand up everytime |
| 12:41.04 | LuciusMare | orly? |
| 12:41.31 | LuciusMare | i am sure you can,this widget thingy can control even skipping tracks |
| 12:41.49 | Luser | LuciusMare, yes, media player looks at the playlist internally and does a interface=com.nokia.osso_media_server.music; member=play_media and string is the url |
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| 12:42.18 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 12:42.27 | LuciusMare | and,what about the vibration module? |
| 12:42.43 | LuciusMare | i heard there is a notification plugin,but... |
| 12:43.34 | LuciusMare | cant find more info 'bout it |
| 12:44.43 | ewo | having a bit of trouble using rdesktop-cli |
| 12:44.51 | ewo | WARNING: Remote desktop does not support colour depth 16; falling back to 24 |
| 12:44.55 | ewo | WARNING: Remote desktop changed from 800x480 to 1920x1200. |
| 12:45.01 | ewo | disconnect: Unknown reason. Error code: 768 |
| 12:45.16 | ewo | anyone have a clue whats wrong? |
| 12:45.48 | ewo | tried to change my windows to different resolutions and colordephts but it gives the "error code: 768" line every time |
| 12:46.39 | xorAxAx | did ya google for it? |
| 12:46.42 | ewo | i did |
| 12:46.46 | ewo | no results |
| 12:47.00 | ewo | couldnt find a list of error codes for rdesktop |
| 12:47.11 | xorAxAx | thats probably a remote error code |
| 12:47.15 | xorAxAx | of the rdp protocol |
| 12:47.46 | timeless | luser: does the desktop applet really cheat for next/previous? |
| 12:47.57 | LuciusMare | wants to make n900 vibrate |
| 12:48.12 | odin_ | I see: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter (but can't see how you get it onto your phone? it doesn't show up in HAM under Devel section, and 'apt-get install' does not know it) |
| 12:48.16 | xorAxAx | LuciusMare: are you female? |
| 12:48.41 | timeless | odin: it's probably in the tools repo |
| 12:48.51 | LuciusMare | er |
| 12:48.56 | LuciusMare | i am afraid to say no |
| 12:49.05 | xorAxAx | LuciusMare: then why do you need vibration? :) |
| 12:49.20 | Luser | timeless, I am on n800. is there a desktop applet for diablo? |
| 12:49.23 | LuciusMare | i want it to vibrate in my pocket when i am heading my station |
| 12:49.29 | LuciusMare | so i wont miss it |
| 12:49.55 | xorAxAx | i dont understand, what do you mean by "heading my stattion"? |
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| 12:50.37 | LuciusMare | in a train |
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| 12:50.59 | LuciusMare | i'll set the location of my station and when i will be near,it will gently wake me up |
| 12:51.03 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: good idea |
| 12:51.09 | Stskeeps | i often have that with bus stops |
| 12:51.22 | Stskeeps | i think it's called vibra api |
| 12:51.26 | xorAxAx | i had the problem a few days ago as well |
| 12:51.35 | xorAxAx | because i was playing with my n900 :) |
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| 12:51.52 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 12:52.26 | timeless | luser: i don't remember, if there is (and there probably is), it would have come w/ the n800 |
| 12:52.38 | timeless | so you just need to try to add a widget and select it |
| 12:52.43 | barfoos__n900 | computers: for solving poblems you otherwise wouldnt have :) |
| 12:52.55 | xorAxAx | LuciusMare: good idea, i think i would take your app |
| 12:52.57 | timeless | removes actividentity from a friend's hp |
| 12:53.39 | LuciusMare | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mce-dev/dbus-names_8h.html#bfa442c2dacb40670d4ef06a8c38d4af |
| 12:53.50 | LuciusMare | bullseye? |
| 12:54.34 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36012 |
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| 12:56.05 | LuciusMare | ay |
| 12:56.12 | lopz | hola |
| 12:58.03 | Luser | media player is closed source right? |
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| 12:59.03 | Stskeeps | right |
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| 13:00.07 | wazd | Stskeeps: any chance to see some Marina shots? :P |
| 13:00.35 | Stskeeps | wazd: you have an excellent ability to catch me when i'm unable to do anything :P |
| 13:00.49 | wazd | Stskeeps: :D |
| 13:01.09 | wazd | Stskeeps: that's a gift :D |
| 13:01.37 | Stskeeps | i am seriously pondering to set up a virtual n900 for you |
| 13:01.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:01.43 | wazd | Warning: You are using an invalid section: user/themes! |
| 13:01.43 | wazd | While your package will not be rejected, we would like to encourage you to change your package to comply with the official list. More information about valid sections/categories can be found on the wiki page. |
| 13:01.49 | Stskeeps | what |
| 13:02.32 | Stskeeps | oh the madmen |
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| 13:02.49 | RST38h | wazd: user/desktop |
| 13:02.55 | Stskeeps | goes fix in template |
| 13:03.00 | Stskeeps | wazd: edit file debian/control |
| 13:04.21 | wazd | well, "move files to autobuilder queue" doesn't seems to work anyway |
| 13:04.44 | Stskeeps | fixes template |
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| 13:05.35 | LuciusMare | but,the only thing is |
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| 13:05.44 | LuciusMare | i am not sure if i can handle such app |
| 13:05.52 | LuciusMare | it will be a complicated job |
| 13:06.16 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: write it in python and determine a way to calculate distance to a point or something |
| 13:06.17 | LuciusMare | i mean,reading the gps, and ranging it, where should it start and so |
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| 13:06.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:06.23 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 13:06.36 | Stskeeps | there's python liblocation headers and quite easyt at that |
| 13:06.47 | LuciusMare | well,yes, i think python is enough |
| 13:08.19 | Corsac | hmmh, is there a âGPS coordinatesâ field in contacts? |
| 13:08.47 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: why not simply set an alarm? |
| 13:09.48 | LuciusMare | hah |
| 13:10.05 | LuciusMare | Because we can! |
| 13:10.22 | Luser | ahh I've found |
| 13:10.33 | LuciusMare | and, this solution is more elegant,what if the bus will be much quicker or slower? |
| 13:10.38 | Luser | socat -v tcp-l:6666,reuseaddr,fork unix:/tmp/mediaplayer-engine.socket |
| 13:10.38 | LuciusMare | anyway |
| 13:10.43 | LuciusMare | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternTouchscreen' |
| 13:10.47 | LuciusMare | works,while |
| 13:10.58 | LuciusMare | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_enable |
| 13:11.01 | Luser | from my machine: echo "next" | nc ip_n800 6666 |
| 13:11.01 | LuciusMare | doesnt |
| 13:11.09 | Luser | arrrhhhhh strace rulz |
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| 13:11.48 | Luser | i love unix |
| 13:12.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | om nom nom nom samosas! |
| 13:13.22 | LuciusMare | moo Gadgetoid_mbp |
| 13:13.36 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ahoy LuciusMare ! |
| 13:15.09 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: i think API changed mid-way |
| 13:15.36 | xorAxAx | LuciusMare: you can also echo into the proc file |
| 13:15.42 | Gadgetoid_mbp | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternTouchscreenRampagingRabbit' |
| 13:15.51 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/wish_this_could_work.jpg battery packs could be simple if our devices could deal with 4.8v |
| 13:16.16 | SpeedEvil | 4.8V is not what 4 NiMH AA's outputs. |
| 13:16.23 | pupnik | oh a bit more? |
| 13:16.27 | SpeedEvil | they start out at 1.45*4 |
| 13:16.49 | pupnik | ah k., too much variation |
| 13:17.13 | SpeedEvil | http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/meals/track/?id=1380449&date=2010-01-17&servings=1&when= |
| 13:17.13 | Shadikka_ | RampagingRabbit? XD |
| 13:17.15 | SpeedEvil | is what you want |
| 13:17.16 | ShadowJK_ | (and drops to 1.2...1.3 something when/if n900 starts pulling 1amp) |
| 13:17.17 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 13:17.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8249 |
| 13:17.25 | SpeedEvil | I mean |
| 13:17.32 | SpeedEvil | but the above only goes to 200mA |
| 13:17.35 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Shadikka_: don't google it |
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| 13:17.54 | pupnik | http://dimensionengineering.com/lvboost.htm 1.5A max for this booster |
| 13:18.01 | LuciusMare | what is the proc file. |
| 13:18.02 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 13:18.19 | LuciusMare | and dont i need to be root? |
| 13:18.25 | pupnik | or use a nokia 12v car charger and use more AA batteries to source |
| 13:18.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | pupnik: .... |
| 13:18.37 | Corsac | hmmh, and no way to bookmark stuff in ovi maps either? |
| 13:18.52 | pupnik | sorry for the noise |
| 13:19.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4662&t_mode=des&affiliate=gadgetoid |
| 13:19.33 | pupnik | that handles the high-power charging spec for microusb? |
| 13:19.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It'll charge, but it wont charge a totally dead device |
| 13:20.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I use 'em to power a USB hub |
| 13:20.28 | SpeedEvil | It will charge a dead device |
| 13:20.35 | SpeedEvil | Look at the l3/l4 manual |
| 13:20.44 | LuciusMare | waves |
| 13:20.49 | LuciusMare | what is the proc file? |
| 13:20.51 | SpeedEvil | It charges at 100mA - from anything - with a completely dead battery |
| 13:20.52 | LuciusMare | and dont i need to be root? |
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| 13:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | mentions the charger adapter that seems to come with each N900 |
| 13:21.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | my travel chargers have been in a drawer for months, now, I've got so many devices I just switch to another if one dies |
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| 13:22.10 | LuciusMare | hah |
| 13:22.22 | LuciusMare | i think i get where is your nick from |
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| 13:22.53 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I've got one of those open. lots of comple durface mounty. NEed to desolder the heatsink and do some more measuring |
| 13:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that sounds rather decent |
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| 13:24.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Haha, my nick derives from my site which derives from my love of all things gadgetoid |
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| 13:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | and you got a 1.8 and a 3.5 (both ??) barrel receptacle to take any there's-a-zillion 6V power supply |
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| 13:24.59 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: >20 components I guess. the receptacles are not soldered - just press contacts |
| 13:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: chokes? |
| 13:25.32 | SpeedEvil | looking at reverse engineering the capabilities. Though today I will be working on kitchen furniture and baking. |
| 13:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: please throw that shit on a flatbed scanner for me |
| 13:26.05 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Baking? |
| 13:26.32 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_mbp: I have 12kg of bread dough to mix, freeze into 200g batches. |
| 13:26.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: Are you... a... baker? |
| 13:27.01 | pupnik | just makin bread here - how do you plan to get it to rise? |
| 13:27.11 | Corsac | a bhacker? |
| 13:27.16 | SpeedEvil | Err - 8kg. |
| 13:27.20 | SpeedEvil | I like nice bread. |
| 13:27.26 | SpeedEvil | I have problems getting to the shops. |
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| 13:27.28 | SpeedEvil | Hence... |
| 13:27.31 | ptl | hey |
| 13:27.34 | pupnik | same ;P |
| 13:27.35 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Fair enough! |
| 13:27.46 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I've pondered getting a bread maker, a mate of mine bigs 'em up |
| 13:27.55 | ptl | repository.maemo.org is offline, right? any way to use another repository or an IP address? |
| 13:28.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | All the crazy shit you can put in bread, like cheese and pickle |
| 13:28.19 | pupnik | http://espejo.freemoe.org/ ptl |
| 13:28.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I hope jebba has unlimited bandwidth |
| 13:29.01 | ptl | pupnik: it has everything, including nokia-apps and nokia-binaries? I need to install those |
| 13:29.04 | SpeedEvil | Take one third of it. Add yeast to the dough. Let it rise, and bang it down till it stops rising and goes all alcohol smelling. Now, mix that with the rest of the dough and immediately freeze. Take 200g lump of dough out, put it in a silicone flexy small loaf mould, place in oven at 40c to rise, then when it does, raise temp to 180c |
| 13:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid_mbp: I doubt it |
| 13:29.30 | pupnik | ty! |
| 13:30.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: I trust you own a chest freezer |
| 13:30.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Mine's full of frozen lumps of meat and samosas, couldn't fit bread in if I wanted to |
| 13:30.50 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_mbp: I lost the paddle from mine. One key thing if you have one with the paddle at the bottom. Grease the shaft with margerine before placing on the paddle. Otherwise it will wear _rapidly_. |
| 13:31.01 | SpeedEvil | it's only 6l or so of dough - when frozen |
| 13:31.42 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, I am going to have to give this a try at some point |
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| 13:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | makes a nice app :-) add capabilities to read out USB or BT thermometers, maybe evebn a scale |
| 13:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | and a shouting audi "mix harder! mix better! You lazy bugger" ;-P |
| 13:35.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hum de dum, now I need to cook something |
| 13:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | supervision by pattern recognition via front cam |
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| 13:35.55 | LuciusMare | Gadgetoid_mbp: i often cook my cpz |
| 13:35.57 | LuciusMare | *cpu |
| 13:36.09 | pupnik | better than a freezer full of samoans |
| 13:36.20 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahaha, I need to sell my old PC.. must be worth 5, maybe £10 |
| 13:36.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Netburst 3ghz+ pentium, dual core.. the OLD type of dual core... |
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| 13:37.17 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ |
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| 13:37.41 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Don't joke :) I'm contemplating using my neo1973 for exactly that |
| 13:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're incredible! thanks |
| 13:37.53 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: microwave oven control - with USB camera. |
| 13:38.07 | SpeedEvil | (not great pic - I'll take better ones when I find my other camera) |
| 13:38.18 | pupnik | what is that adaptor for? temp? |
| 13:38.19 | SpeedEvil | Stupid tracker |
| 13:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: just *all* my jokes contain a honest core ;-P |
| 13:38.30 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: that's the included power adaptor with the n900 |
| 13:38.52 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: USB camera detects peak of bread rising |
| 13:38.53 | pupnik | ah |
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| 13:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sounds like a veritable app, yes |
| 13:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what's on the other side of the PCB? |
| 13:40.57 | LuciusMare | huh |
| 13:42.00 | LuciusMare | How do i display actual accelerometer data on display? When i use while true do loop, the cpu is 100% on load |
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| 13:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: liqacceltest |
| 13:42.39 | LuciusMare | er |
| 13:42.50 | LuciusMare | and how does liqacceltest do that? |
| 13:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 13:43.06 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: couple of coils, and a big heatsink covering the rest - and the connection pads for the spring connectors for the sockets |
| 13:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | coils. :-) |
| 13:43.21 | yuizy | 444444444444 |
| 13:43.24 | red | I need to borrow googles serverfarm for some 3D rendering |
| 13:43.24 | SpeedEvil | On a related matter. |
| 13:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 13:43.25 | yuizy | oops |
| 13:43.28 | red | god my pc is slow |
| 13:43.41 | SpeedEvil | How the hell do I tell trackerd not to bloody index my /home/user/data |
| 13:43.55 | SpeedEvil | I've added it to the 'don't index or watch these directories' list. |
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| 13:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seems we talked about that before. There is a config somewhere for trackerd. But it seems to be borked to some extent, not completely obbeying what's in that config |
| 13:44.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | LuciusMare: 100% load? you might want to slow your polling rate :D |
| 13:44.56 | LuciusMare | Gadgetoid_mbp: i while true do :P |
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| 13:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: so 100% is exactly what U asked for |
| 13:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | use sleep 1 |
| 13:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | (alas messybox doesn't know sleep 0.1) |
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| 13:46.08 | LuciusMare | but i dont think that while true {read; sleep 1} wont help |
| 13:46.17 | LuciusMare | ay |
| 13:46.18 | LuciusMare | brb |
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| 13:46.58 | chem|st | good afternoon |
| 13:50.46 | red | how do I make the image gallery not to make thumbnails out of custom directories under mydocs? I have contact image thumbnails and I'd not want them in the photo slideshow thing |
| 13:52.08 | TriztAway | red, I think this is about that: "<DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: seems we talked about that before. There is a config somewhere for trackerd. But it seems to be borked to some extent, not completely obbeying what's in that config" |
| 13:53.00 | SpeedEvil | The answer is quite obvious if you look in /home/user/.config/tracker.cfg |
| 13:53.13 | SpeedEvil | but - that doesn't seem to do what it claims |
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| 13:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | for an alternative to dbus-* tools you might be interested in mdbus: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=python-helpers.git;a=blob_plain;f=mickeydbus/mdbus;hb=HEAD |
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| 13:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | not yet tested on maemo (afgaik) |
| 13:54.53 | chem|st | what the heck... is midgard now down as well? |
| 13:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | also see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus |
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| 13:57.20 | tg | hm, wtf |
| 13:57.21 | tg | Host repository.maemo.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 13:57.48 | ShadowJK_ | been like that forf a day and counting |
| 13:58.15 | tg | yeah noticed yesterday as well that i could not update |
| 13:58.25 | tg | what's the ip address? anyone knows? |
| 13:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://pastebin.com/f52532339 |
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| 13:59.40 | tg | kthx |
| 14:00.04 | chem|st | X-Fade: ping |
| 14:00.34 | xorAxAx | but 80.248.164.237 doesnt seem to answer on port 80 either |
| 14:01.12 | tg | yeah, true |
| 14:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | I think there's a reason the DNS doesn't resolve anymore |
| 14:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | prolly they move to another box |
| 14:02.22 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: tg xorAxAx tok.. something said some mount was broken and the DNS hang up it will stay that way till monday morning |
| 14:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | hmm DNS hang up doesn't explain the IP doesn't answer, no? |
| 14:03.58 | tg | mmhm |
| 14:04.03 | xorAxAx | maybe they disclose the IP only when the system is up completely |
| 14:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | If I were Nokia I knew the boots to get to kick the ISP |
| 14:05.37 | angasule | :( I can't get OSM data into mapper |
| 14:06.20 | ShadowJK_ | kick the isp for what |
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| 14:07.46 | LuciusMare | for butts,apparently |
| 14:08.08 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: by now the timeout of DNS caches is reached, you wont get any IP the one I had listed was the old one, also the server is down because of this failed NFS mount |
| 14:08.40 | wazd | is there any gui for imagemagick? |
| 14:08.49 | chem|st | wazd: ??? |
| 14:09.02 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 14:09.06 | RST38h | wazd: nope. |
| 14:09.20 | chem|st | wazd: what do you wnat to do? |
| 14:09.29 | ShadowJK_ | if it does come back with a new IP, the nxdomain cache time is probably much much lower, and then the new ip would spread almost immediately |
| 14:10.00 | chem|st | my imagemagick gui: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/ |
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| 14:10.41 | wazd | http://www.solaris4you.dk/imagemagick.gif ? |
| 14:10.44 | chem|st | ShadowJK_: at the moment the ns.nokia.com does not respond at all to me |
| 14:11.21 | chem|st | wazd: but not for N900 |
| 14:11.38 | ShadowJK_ | works for me |
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| 14:11.49 | wazd | chem|st: I'm not talking bout n900 |
| 14:11.55 | wazd | chem|st: any gui |
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| 14:14.03 | chem|st | wazd: there are some web-based guis for fontediting but I dont know any usable guis |
| 14:14.26 | chem|st | at least not for desktop |
| 14:14.52 | chem|st | if you want a gui for imagemagick you might just use gimp... |
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| 14:17.03 | awwaiid | I use mdbus on the openmoko a lot and it is quite nice |
| 14:17.13 | pupnik | unique311 had a gimp built for n800 iirc |
| 14:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | awwaiid: so have you tried it on the N900? |
| 14:18.29 | awwaiid | no. here, lets see... |
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| 14:21.31 | Stskeeps | wazd, imagemagick is a bunch of command line tools |
| 14:23.20 | awwaiid | DocScrutinizer, works in general after wget (lists services), now trying to send a message... |
| 14:23.48 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, yeah, I see :D |
| 14:24.09 | wazd | Stskeeps: can you remind me yesterday's Marina link? |
| 14:24.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | awwaiid: cool. My wget is 'missing' :-/ |
| 14:24.40 | LuciusMare | no imagemagick for maemo? |
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| 14:27.17 | chem|st | LuciusMare: make a list... I was doing so for myself, but as long as I dont have a N900 I cant test the stuff at a device, I will port or find some of my friends if Im not capable to port my favourite CLI tools |
| 14:28.02 | awwaiid | DocScrutinizer51, this works: ./mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog 'Hello, world!' 0 'NAO OK!' |
| 14:28.17 | chem|st | awwaiid: what OS do you use your moko with? |
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| 14:28.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | awwaiid: nice |
| 14:28.43 | awwaiid | which is a bit simplified from dbus-send, and has good introspection built in |
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| 14:28.46 | xorAxAx | johnq: ping (This message has been postponed.) |
| 14:29.10 | johnq | xorAxAx: ? |
| 14:29.14 | chem|st | does anyone know which nick here is Niels? |
| 14:29.27 | RST38h | Saint Nick? |
| 14:29.47 | awwaiid | chem|st, hackable1 or SHR (I swithch randomly). but i haven't played with it as much lately for SOME reason |
| 14:30.18 | RST38h | "How about another Dirty Harry movie where Clint looks the way he looked in 1975?" Cameron suggests. "Or a James Bond movie where Sean Connery looks the way he did in Doctor No? How cool would that be?"' |
| 14:30.29 | RST38h | facepalms |
| 14:30.33 | chem|st | awwaiid: a friend of mine runs android atm, he didnt get any OS in a state of realy usable |
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| 14:30.59 | LuciusMare | lol |
| 14:31.02 | chem|st | sometimes he had GSM running but not network or network and no gsm then no gps but gsm and so on |
| 14:31.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | awwaiid: SOME starts with N and ends with 900? |
| 14:31.30 | LuciusMare | so,if anyone has free time on their hands,port imagemagick |
| 14:31.32 | awwaiid | I had a sweeet debian install going on there for a while... but I "upgraded" without a backup and never quite got it back. |
| 14:31.53 | awwaiid | DocScrutinizer51: perhaps :) |
| 14:31.55 | chem|st | is Mer an option? |
| 14:32.13 | jebba | wow. still down. Hmm. |
| 14:32.35 | chem|st | jebba: wow... wrong chanel... |
| 14:32.37 | awwaiid | 6es, but last I knew there was no phone stack (working) on mer. but I'm not up to date |
| 14:32.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: yeah grrr >:-( |
| 14:33.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: and I'm missing wget here |
| 14:33.27 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: mirror ;) |
| 14:33.42 | awwaiid | ok, I'm going to go to my flight now... I kinda like this always connected thing + 3.5G :) |
| 14:33.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: pain to setup? |
| 14:34.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | flight? |
| 14:34.29 | awwaiid | jebba, see mdbus stuff above and thanks for your dbus wiki doc :) |
| 14:34.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | awwaiid: have a nice trip |
| 14:34.51 | UQsf | anyone using any particulary pleasant font for xterm, not sure I like the default one :/ |
| 14:35.02 | awwaiid | flying back to DC from florida after perl oasis conference |
| 14:35.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | awwaiid: isn,t exactly my wiki |
| 14:35.09 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: easy to set up. Just like adding a new repo: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
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| 14:35.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | well. I'll try to get it right. stay tuned to help me out please |
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| 14:36.11 | red | btw is the offline mode really offline mode, so theres 0 wifi/mobile signal |
| 14:36.20 | red | reason I'm asking is airplane usage :p |
| 14:36.21 | MaemohammadAG | meh no t6 separate bit |
| 14:36.45 | chem|st | red: refer to your manual |
| 14:37.02 | red | I will if nobody knows :) |
| 14:37.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: distribution? components? |
| 14:37.39 | red | or well, forums/google first |
| 14:37.42 | red | getting up is a pain |
| 14:37.58 | Guest68982 | I want n900 :) |
| 14:38.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | red: yes |
| 14:38.23 | LuciusMare | aaargh |
| 14:38.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | red: offline is specified for use in airplanes |
| 14:38.44 | LuciusMare | u stupid piece of crap,yes,that is a link and yes, i want to click on it? |
| 14:39.03 | LuciusMare | >:( |
| 14:39.41 | Trizt | where do you find the index file for tracker? would like to test to delete that and see if it will then ignore ~/MyDocs/.images according to the new settings |
| 14:40.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: ??? |
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| 14:40.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: ping |
| 14:40.16 | LuciusMare | sigkills the browser |
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| 14:41.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: powerbutton -> 'stop current task' |
| 14:41.19 | red | DocScrutinizer51: thats what I hoped for goodie :) |
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| 14:42.38 | LuciusMare | downloads lynx and abadons microb |
| 14:42.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 14:43.10 | LuciusMare | argh |
| 14:43.12 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: did you go to that page? |
| 14:43.17 | LuciusMare | is in rage |
| 14:43.22 | jebba | it even has a screenshot... |
| 14:43.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, i entered the URL to appmngr new repo |
| 14:43.55 | LuciusMare | anybody experiencing the same stupid problem display ignoring any sign of link and displays normal menu like when clicking to non-link? |
| 14:43.59 | jebba | ah, just go to that page in a web browser :) |
| 14:44.07 | LuciusMare | i want to copy a link and it does not register it |
| 14:44.21 | xorAxAx | johnq: hi |
| 14:44.23 | LuciusMare | i mean,it does not notice it,it acts like there was normal text |
| 14:44.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: didn't realize I'm supposed to go there |
| 14:44.44 | xorAxAx | johnq: i started evopedias map feature and now the gps icon doesnt stop blinking |
| 14:45.12 | jebba | heh |
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| 14:45.26 | LuciusMare | screams @ the microb |
| 14:46.12 | LuciusMare | wgets and cats the freaking page |
| 14:46.35 | LuciusMare | i want my link and you wont stop me,buggy software |
| 14:48.46 | LuciusMare | ha |
| 14:48.52 | LuciusMare | has a link |
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| 14:48.59 | LuciusMare | ^^ |
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| 14:59.49 | bfree | anyone know of a way (or bug/brainstorm to vote for perhaps) to make the N900 right handed. There's places where you can press and hold on screen to bring up menu's, but I find that doing that with my right index finger means I can't see the resulting menu without contortions. |
| 15:00.33 | ShadowJK_ | whoah, I never realized it was left handed :) |
| 15:00.59 | cehteh | its the first cross handed device ever invented :) |
| 15:01.17 | cehteh | next time the keyboard will slide out on the upper side :) |
| 15:01.20 | ShadowJK_ | I know what you mean, I just never rrealized it could be fixed by making menu pop up left of finger instead of right |
| 15:01.38 | cehteh | moving menus to the bottom.. |
| 15:02.52 | timeless_mbp | !last ping timeless |
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| 15:03.16 | timeless_mbp | bfree: you're welcome to brainstorm |
| 15:03.26 | bfree | yep as long as the screen space is there then imvho it should pop out left of finger (unless you set it to left-handed mode, most people are rightys ;-) |
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| 15:03.39 | timeless_mbp | the device doesn't realize that it isn't designed for right handed people |
| 15:04.07 | red | coming to think of it, never realized that it could be changed too |
| 15:04.13 | red | just accepted it as an annoying quirk |
| 15:04.33 | timeless_mbp | red: we don't really have a way to change it |
| 15:04.47 | red | not us no |
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| 15:04.59 | red | but kinda just didnt even give it a thought, just ignored |
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| 15:06.45 | superdump | any news on the repo servers? |
| 15:06.54 | superdump | i looked at the url in the topic |
| 15:07.12 | superdump | nothing since 20 hours ago on there it seems |
| 15:07.31 | timeless_mbp | superdump: did you notice today was a sunday? |
| 15:07.38 | timeless_mbp | and that oddly enough, yesterday was a saturday? |
| 15:07.48 | superdump | yes, but i can still ask... |
| 15:07.56 | ShadowJK_ | I think that's why he was trying to do stuff ;-) |
| 15:08.05 | superdump | hey ShadowJK_ |
| 15:08.18 | w00t | timeless_mbp: to not have someone on call for infra stuff seems a bit .. |
| 15:08.29 | timeless_mbp | w00t: welcome to maemo.org |
| 15:08.34 | timeless_mbp | done wrong on a shoestring |
| 15:09.20 | ShadowJK_ | I bet they'd just be sitting there playing cards waiting for the spare parts on monday anyway |
| 15:09.32 | w00t | timeless_mbp: is there a feedback loop to help fix such broken processes? |
| 15:09.48 | timeless_mbp | w00t: what do you want? |
| 15:09.55 | timeless_mbp | i think they're changing ISPs |
| 15:09.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm mdbus is really handy |
| 15:10.07 | timeless_mbp | do you think they're so absolutely clueless as to not notice there's a problem? |
| 15:10.15 | w00t | timeless_mbp: of course not |
| 15:10.27 | w00t | timeless_mbp: but noticing a problem and acting to fix it are two different things |
| 15:10.34 | timeless_mbp | feedback loops are only useful if one can act |
| 15:10.47 | w00t | timeless_mbp: if this is the ISP's problem then I would have really big questions to be asking them with regards to SLAs |
| 15:11.00 | timeless_mbp | w00t: did i mention that we're in Finland? |
| 15:11.21 | w00t | timeless_mbp: I know this, however I think you're trying to convey something that is missing my attention :-) |
| 15:11.32 | timeless_mbp | there's no such thing as 'service' in finland |
| 15:11.37 | timeless_mbp | they only work during business hours |
| 15:11.42 | timeless_mbp | and they don't make commitments |
| 15:11.42 | superdump | even nokia...? |
| 15:11.49 | timeless_mbp | yes. |
| 15:11.53 | timeless_mbp | and it's all done by contractors |
| 15:11.53 | ShadowJK_ | and the servers probably aren't in finland, unless nokia feels like blowing 29 times more money than necedssary |
| 15:11.57 | w00t | so you have no concept of overtime there? |
| 15:12.17 | timeless_mbp | correct |
| 15:12.25 | w00t | .. |
| 15:12.29 | w00t | something seems very, very broken there |
| 15:12.37 | timeless_mbp | you're just realizing this now? |
| 15:12.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 15:12.58 | superdump | if it's not going to be fixed until monday at the earliest, maybe someone should post that in the link in the topic |
| 15:13.04 | timeless_mbp | well, better late than never :) |
| 15:13.10 | w00t | I work for a 20 person company with no real management and even we can manage to call someone up on a weekend, offer them OT, and get a problem fixed when the shit hits the fan |
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| 15:13.39 | timeless_mbp | superdump: i'm sorry |
| 15:13.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~hail jebba |
| 15:13.40 | infobot | ACTION bows down to jebba and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 15:13.42 | timeless_mbp | the topic has http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ |
| 15:13.46 | timeless_mbp | what is remotely unclear about it? |
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| 15:14.12 | jebba | ;) |
| 15:14.22 | chem|st | ;) |
| 15:14.34 | chem|st | X-Fade: now awake? |
| 15:14.51 | chem|st | who is niels btw |
| 15:15.09 | superdump | timeless_mbp: 'work is ongoing' gives no kind of ETA and you seem to be suggesting that as it's the weekend it's not going to get fixed until at least monday |
| 15:15.18 | superdump | maybe adding that information would be useful to readers |
| 15:15.18 | timeless_mbp | yep. |
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| 15:15.26 | timeless_mbp | and maybe it'd be wrong |
| 15:15.31 | timeless_mbp | i'm not in contact with them |
| 15:15.34 | timeless_mbp | but i do live in Finland |
| 15:15.37 | jebba | w00t: i 100% agree by the way. I've started a few different threads on maemo-devel list about this... |
| 15:15.49 | timeless_mbp | and i've seen maemo.org "infrastructure" not heal very quickly |
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| 15:16.02 | jebba | oftentimes if it croaks friday night, it doesn't come back til monday. It's mind boggling actually. |
| 15:16.18 | jebba | i bet they have like 95% uptime or worse (literally) |
| 15:16.19 | w00t | it's not just mind boggling, to me at least, it's incomprehensible |
| 15:16.28 | w00t | but then, that's probably because I'm usually the one working the OT |
| 15:17.10 | w00t | (usually *before* I get called about it.. and it's not because I lack a life, it's just because I know about it before my boss does) |
| 15:17.17 | Stskeeps | it does seem like they are getting a really angry call though (see tmo thread) |
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| 15:17.32 | ShadowJK_ | since getting my n900 I remember one weekend where something maemo.org didn't croak :) |
| 15:17.41 | ifreq | if you do projects/migrations on weekend you usually have resources preserved (or atleast should be) |
| 15:17.51 | w00t | ifreq: see, that's the other thing |
| 15:17.54 | timeless_mbp | ifreq: 'preserved' is the wrong word |
| 15:17.59 | ifreq | timeless_mbp: yeah sorry for that |
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| 15:18.07 | ifreq | timeless_mbp: i ment reserved |
| 15:18.11 | w00t | iif you do major stuff like this, you don't do it on a friday when nobody is going to be around the day after :| |
| 15:18.21 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 15:18.24 | jebba | w00t: see: http://n2.nabble.com/maemo-developers-f2589615.html http://n2.nabble.com/Mirrors-tt4244452.html |
| 15:18.26 | chem|st | is anyone of you admin of at least one server? |
| 15:18.27 | timeless_mbp | i would never do hosting in .fi |
| 15:18.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | well we won't change things today, no matter how much rant and whining. If Nokia feels that,s been a major impact on their customer convenience and corporate image then they probably want to do it better *next time* |
| 15:18.57 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer++ |
| 15:19.12 | timeless_mbp | the problem nokia has is roughly this: |
| 15:19.17 | w00t | I don't feel that what has been going on here has been ranting.. at least, if I'm coming across that way, it's not my intention |
| 15:19.18 | jebba | well, what the hell sysadmin setup doesn't have 24/7 coverage? Akamai *must* have 24/7 folks... They're huge. |
| 15:19.18 | ifreq | im ok with missing repos atm.. no need to update somethin continuoysly :) |
| 15:19.21 | timeless_mbp | with time the customer base grows |
| 15:19.23 | w00t | I'm just trying to provide my view about it |
| 15:19.25 | jebba | chem|st: ya, i am now ;) |
| 15:19.27 | ifreq | jebba: :-) |
| 15:19.32 | timeless_mbp | which means that even if they do manage to scale up a bit to match a previously missed capacity |
| 15:19.38 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't actually match the current demands |
| 15:19.39 | timeless_mbp | -- |
| 15:19.56 | timeless_mbp | second, we're trying to avoid using the nokia.com IT infrastructure |
| 15:19.58 | jebba | w00t: i do have a mirror setup: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 15:20.04 | chem|st | this is a server move in progress, it went wrong and ISP messes up and DNS change did hang... |
| 15:20.06 | timeless_mbp | which takes 6months to roll out _anything_ |
| 15:20.15 | timeless_mbp | -- |
| 15:20.15 | w00t | jebba: I don't need anything right now, so I'm not really majorly inconvenienced |
| 15:20.25 | jebba | well, they should just have public mirrors, for starters at least. That's like the base minimum. |
| 15:20.27 | timeless_mbp | that means we need to find someone willing to treat us as a small fish |
| 15:20.31 | w00t | but I understand that people in the middle of things (on a weekend, when they have time to hack) are probably a bit annoyed |
| 15:20.32 | timeless_mbp | because we aren't the big 'nokia' fish |
| 15:20.46 | ifreq | jebba: yeah im sure there is lots of voluteenteers for mirros like us |
| 15:20.47 | ifreq | :P |
| 15:20.50 | timeless_mbp | we're 'some small group with some tiny budget' |
| 15:20.54 | ifreq | that shouldnt be a prob. |
| 15:21.01 | ifreq | -teen* |
| 15:21.03 | timeless_mbp | ifreq: i can actually stick a mirror on dreamhost, i've done it before |
| 15:21.08 | chem|st | jebba: the mirror thing I do not understand, any distro mirrors as much as they can to spread the traffic |
| 15:21.12 | timeless_mbp | the problem is that not all content can be legally mirrored |
| 15:21.26 | ifreq | i can host on my own servers timeless_mbp .. and yes thats the point.. cant mirror all stuff atm. |
| 15:21.32 | jebba | ifreq: well, don't even need "volunteers like us" really. The free software world already has hundreds of mirrors they could tap into by just sending one freaking email. |
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| 15:21.44 | ShadowJK_ | dreamhost probably has people around 24/7, but probably no spare parts :D |
| 15:21.48 | timeless_mbp | iirc repository.maemo.org includes stuff which is supposedly bound by a nokia distribution clause |
| 15:21.49 | ifreq | jebba: thats true :) |
| 15:21.52 | chem|st | jebba: exactly |
| 15:21.53 | jebba | at least free stff could |
| 15:22.06 | timeless_mbp | anyway |
| 15:22.21 | timeless_mbp | complaining today will not get anyone anywhere |
| 15:22.23 | jebba | i'll have a third mirror up in about 15 minutes at a different data center. |
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| 15:22.37 | ifreq | timeless_mbp: no ones complaining. i see only suggestions and wonderings. |
| 15:22.40 | ShadowJK_ | how big is this failing SAN anyway... iirc when kernel.org's raid array failed it took half a week to run fsck |
| 15:22.40 | jebba | COMPLAIN! that's one way to be heard. Everyone should complain. :) |
| 15:22.42 | chem|st | jebba: non-free too... |
| 15:22.44 | w00t | timeless_mbp: it won't get anyone anywhere, but it might help enable more fluent discussion about solutions next week |
| 15:22.51 | jebba | this is the official bug report place: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818 |
| 15:22.52 | povbot` | Bug 5818: We need servers |
| 15:22.52 | timeless_mbp | not a chance |
| 15:22.59 | timeless_mbp | it only works if the relevant people are listening |
| 15:23.04 | timeless_mbp | and clearly they aren't |
| 15:23.11 | timeless_mbp | if they were, they'd be speaking instead of me |
| 15:23.11 | jebba | ShadowJK_: can't be too big. The entire repository is only 32G |
| 15:23.15 | w00t | sure |
| 15:23.23 | jebba | and all the archives. I'm guessing less than a terabyte. |
| 15:23.26 | jebba | easily. |
| 15:23.28 | w00t | but taking a pessimistic stance means you win from the outset |
| 15:23.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~praise jebba |
| 15:23.33 | infobot | All hail jebba! |
| 15:23.42 | w00t | by being optimistic about this, sure, we might fail, but at least we tried :-) |
| 15:23.51 | mrmg | espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/whatever fremantle free works |
| 15:23.53 | timeless_mbp | have you all read http://wiki.maemo.org/ISP_Move ? |
| 15:24.00 | chem|st | jebba: 4TB raid took abaout 24h to recover |
| 15:24.07 | jebba | timeless_mbp: you mean the doc from October? |
| 15:24.20 | timeless_mbp | it's last modified december :) |
| 15:24.22 | jebba | chem|st: then use a different FS |
| 15:24.24 | timeless_mbp | not that stale :) |
| 15:24.35 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: ZFS. |
| 15:24.36 | jebba | ya, and it's only January 17.... |
| 15:24.53 | timeless_mbp | jebba: things are slow in the winter in Finland :) |
| 15:25.08 | jebba | i've fsck'd 3 terabyte raids and it didnt take that long. Need better hardware ;) |
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| 15:25.23 | ifreq | jebba: sure its hardware ;P |
| 15:25.43 | jebba | that was even crappy 3ware cards too ;) |
| 15:26.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: slow like loading that URL you mentioned? ;-D |
| 15:26.28 | chem|st | jebba: timeless_mbp on hardware raid? what for? and it wasnt to recover the FS just to recover the raid properly |
| 15:26.50 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: to skip hardware raid |
| 15:26.54 | timeless_mbp | commodity disks. |
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| 15:27.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually it's not just slow. it hangs on loading some 60% |
| 15:27.15 | LuciusMare | oh,wow |
| 15:27.15 | jebba | i was talking about hardware raid, fwiw, on "average" SATA drives |
| 15:27.33 | jebba | i can't even get maemo.org right now front page... |
| 15:28.10 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: why should I want software raid if I can have hardware raid... |
| 15:28.11 | LuciusMare | look |
| 15:28.13 | jebba | this is pretty funny http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/01/maemo-is-on-right-tracks-friday.html |
| 15:28.15 | ShadowJK_ | that's the usual weekend activity peak load isn't it ;) |
| 15:28.18 | LuciusMare | i lost the connection |
| 15:28.23 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: rebuilding raid is a pain |
| 15:28.30 | timeless_mbp | ZFS recovery is better |
| 15:28.35 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: yes it is |
| 15:28.38 | ShadowJK_ | luciusmare: I got text :) |
| 15:28.44 | chem|st | you mean faster? |
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| 15:29.24 | chem|st | raid on FS layer isnt my first choice |
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| 15:31.17 | chem|st | a good point is to get rid of fsck for powerlosses... |
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| 15:31.34 | jebba | ok, third mirror at second data center online. |
| 15:32.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok. maemo.org borked. jebba hero of the day. /me happy with mdbus and away |
| 15:32.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | cya |
| 15:33.45 | ShadowJK_ | I like the way talk.maemo.org is on a different isp :-) |
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| 15:34.16 | jebba | awwaiid: mdbus looks cool thx :) |
| 15:34.30 | jebba | thankfully.... |
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| 15:34.58 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK_: mxr.maemo.org is on a different ISP too :) |
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| 15:35.15 | timeless_mbp | two eggs outside the primary basket :) |
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| 15:36.25 | timeless_mbp | wonders how to get qaiku to speak English |
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| 15:36.49 | chem|st | qgil: hey |
| 15:37.07 | qgil | hi, can you access http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News ? |
| 15:37.51 | chem|st | qgil: thanks for your message, I cant access anything apart of talk properly... |
| 15:38.10 | qgil | ok, no worries just wanted to know how big the scope |
| 15:38.15 | sp3000 | morning |
| 15:38.23 | qgil | time to have a proper Sunday I guess ;) |
| 15:38.33 | chem|st | hehe |
| 15:38.47 | ShadowJK_ | I was able to access wiki 5 minutes ago on my n810 |
| 15:39.17 | Luser | I can access but looks like css/images not. it's only text, as awfull as my website |
| 15:39.26 | qgil | maybe Jaffa 's proposal has been slashdotted? ;) |
| 15:39.27 | ShadowJK_ | yeah. |
| 15:39.34 | chem|st | lol |
| 15:39.56 | ShadowJK_ | jebba: dude it's pretty impressive/scary that your mirror pegged 100mbit/s |
| 15:40.13 | ShadowJK_ | like, I'd imagine only a handful of users would have added it |
| 15:40.21 | superdump | CorsixTH seems to not be packaged properly or somehting... |
| 15:40.50 | superdump | when running from a terminal it complains about /home/user/MyDocs/Hospital/ not being a directory |
| 15:41.08 | superdump | i guess the installer was supposed to create it...? |
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| 15:41.33 | sp3000 | installers aren't supposed to touch $HOME :) |
| 15:41.47 | superdump | then maybe it needs optifying? |
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| 15:41.49 | sp3000 | (well, for this usual class of installers, anyway) |
| 15:41.53 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: hi |
| 15:41.59 | ShadowJK_ | it might make sense for some to move big data files to MyDocs |
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| 15:42.05 | jebba | ShadowJK_: ya, i was surprised for sure too, actually. The bandwidth stats have gone a bit whack now though (e.g. reporting 0 traffic), so i'm not sure what it is at the moment. I do have webstats here: |
| 15:42.06 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: went skiing, bumped into zeeshan |
| 15:42.11 | timeless_mbp | wow |
| 15:42.13 | sp3000 | why was I not expecting that? :) |
| 15:42.32 | jebba | crappy webstats: |
| 15:42.32 | jebba | http://mas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi |
| 15:42.32 | jebba | http://masymas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi |
| 15:42.32 | jebba | http://masymasymas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi |
| 15:42.33 | sp3000 | hardcore |
| 15:42.40 | ShadowJK_ | jebba: install iptrav or something in ssh and checkÃ
:) |
| 15:42.50 | cvandonderen | when will repository.maemo.org be online again? |
| 15:42.52 | ShadowJK_ | iptraf* |
| 15:43.13 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: clearly this is a small town ;) |
| 15:43.17 | jebba | ShadowJK_: ya, lots of ways to do it, not *that* interesting to me though. I'll leave it to netdepot ;) |
| 15:43.19 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 15:43.38 | ShadowJK_ | the last post by tekojo to the tmo thread said "However tomorrow morning it has to come back." |
| 15:43.47 | jebba | cvandonderen: who knows. see http://espejo.freemoe.org/ for a mirror. |
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| 15:44.01 | jebba | I kind of call "bullshit" on the line that akamai has no one to fix this stuff on the weekend |
| 15:44.03 | timeless_mbp | jebba: afaict you had 20 robots |
| 15:44.11 | ShadowJK_ | jebba: I wouldn't want to mirror on my server then, I "only" have 5T per month :) |
| 15:44.29 | jebba | timeless_mbp: what makes you think that? |
| 15:44.39 | timeless_mbp | 20 17/Jan/10 08:42/repository.maemo.org/robots.txt |
| 15:44.52 | ShadowJK_ | jebba: seems it's about stage.maemo which isn't akamai? |
| 15:44.55 | jebba | ah, ya, but that's not who was downloading everything. |
| 15:44.58 | timeless_mbp | 20 17/Jan/10 08:39/repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/libc/libcap/libcap1_1.10-15maemo0_armel.deb |
| 15:45.06 | ShadowJK_ | dunno how it works, but I'm guessing sgage feeds akamai |
| 15:45.09 | cvandonderen | jebba: thanks :-) |
| 15:45.13 | timeless_mbp | i can't imagine 20 people snarfed libcap |
| 15:45.16 | jebba | ShadowJK_: akamai mirrors stage afaict |
| 15:45.17 | timeless_mbp | whatever the heck that is |
| 15:45.36 | timeless_mbp | jebba: that sounds right |
| 15:45.51 | timeless_mbp | and generally akamai isn't going to keep/offer content that upstream 'disappears' iirc |
| 15:45.56 | timeless_mbp | so it actually makes sense |
| 15:46.17 | timeless_mbp | akamai isn't reliability, it's distribution |
| 15:46.19 | jebba | timeless_mbp: every access of that had "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)" |
| 15:46.24 | ShadowJK_ | oh hey, that maemo weekly news wiki link qgil pasted.. it eventually loaded with css and all :) |
| 15:46.35 | cvandonderen | timeless_mbp: well, Akamai has an uptime guarantee too |
| 15:46.50 | timeless_mbp | cvandonderen: sure, is the akamai host actually down? |
| 15:46.56 | timeless_mbp | because if it's up and serving "go away" |
| 15:47.03 | timeless_mbp | because that's what the thing it's mirroring is serving |
| 15:47.07 | cvandonderen | is repository.maemo.org not an Akamai machine? |
| 15:47.11 | timeless_mbp | that's not akamai doing anything wrong |
| 15:47.13 | jebba | timeless_mbp: see http://pastebin.ca/1754773 |
| 15:47.15 | cvandonderen | normally it resolves to a .akamai.net for me |
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| 15:47.42 | jebba | DNS was totally foo too, which is nokia.... |
| 15:48.20 | timeless_mbp | can't find an answer |
| 15:48.26 | timeless_mbp | ; <<>> DiG 9.4.3-P3 <<>> repository.maemo.org |
| 15:48.31 | timeless_mbp | maemo.org.148INSOAns.nokia.com. hostmaster.nokia.com. 2010011701 7200 3600 1209600 3600 |
| 15:48.37 | timeless_mbp | so nokia owns it, yippee |
| 15:48.42 | superdump | :) |
| 15:48.46 | Stskeeps | i do wonder why rep is down too, maybe dns got messed up and then no akaamai will help |
| 15:48.52 | jebba | timeless_mbp: those accesses all look "legit", no? That's just today's (not yesterday too) |
| 15:48.56 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: thats output I had last night... |
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| 15:49.23 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: but there's no content in the answer section |
| 15:49.34 | timeless_mbp | jebba: pastebin the logs for robots.txt |
| 15:49.40 | ShadowJK_ | if akamai basically works like a distributed squid infront of stage., then stage vanishing would make repository.maemo serve 404 too, right... |
| 15:49.43 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: that's purely nokia's fault |
| 15:49.48 | user_abc | Hello! Is there already a profile manager that switches profies at a certain time? |
| 15:49.51 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK_: yep |
| 15:49.55 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: it changed to |
| 15:49.56 | chem|st | ; <<>> DiG 9.5.1-P3 <<>> repository.maemo.org |
| 15:49.56 | chem|st | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 15:49.57 | chem|st | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 15:50.13 | sle | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.26 | timeless_mbp | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 40174 |
| 15:50.30 | timeless_mbp | is what i'm getting :) |
| 15:50.44 | sp3000 | yeah I get nxdomain for rmo too :) |
| 15:50.56 | sp3000 | meh, who's gonna miss that ;) |
| 15:51.09 | jebba | http://pastebin.ca/1754780 timeless_mbp confirms they are legit.... |
| 15:51.38 | chem|st | wiki is loading... in hours, now I have content but no css... |
| 15:52.07 | timeless_mbp | jebba: alright |
| 15:52.24 | jebba | timeless_mbp: seeeee? ;) lots of users using it, no doubt... |
| 15:52.29 | timeless_mbp | still finds it odd that 20 humans would try to load robots.txt |
| 15:52.39 | timeless_mbp | conclusion: we have some really stupid humans |
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| 15:53.33 | bfree | I think I'll wait for the server to come properly back to life before trying to register to post my right-handed brainstorm ;-) |
| 15:53.34 | jebba | timeless_mbp: well, some are wget and some are likely google, so not *all* those robots were human ;) most bots know to not index .deb and such for their own sake. |
| 15:53.46 | timeless_mbp | jebba: not true |
| 15:53.57 | timeless_mbp | when i hosted a repository.maemo.org mirror, i had bots grabbing debs |
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| 15:54.41 | ShadowJK_ | hey everyone, let's wget -r jebba's mirror before it too dies! ;-) |
| 15:54.43 | jebba | *most* ;) |
| 15:54.44 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 15:54.49 | timeless_mbp | maybe not |
| 15:55.01 | timeless_mbp | my current robots just seem to crawl, they don't seem to taste |
| 15:55.09 | jebba | ShadowJK_: go for it. I set up rsync so you can mirror the whole thing easily :) (there's 3 of them now too, btw, in two different places) |
| 15:55.10 | timeless_mbp | 67.218.116.166 - - [17/Jan/2010:07:21:05 -0800] "GET /repository/repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine/main/h/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public/html2text/ HTTP/1.0" 404 334 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Twiceler-0.9 http://www.cuil.com/twiceler/robot.html)" |
| 15:55.29 | ShadowJK_ | jebba: it was a joke :) |
| 15:55.46 | oscillik | ruskie: hi, i was speaking to someone last night who said that you might be able to give me a hand with adding your repo to my N900? |
| 15:55.50 | ShadowJK_ | but rsync is awesome |
| 15:56.02 | ShadowJK_ | does/did maemo.org have rsync? |
| 15:56.12 | timeless_mbp | jebba: did you see the .deb i made to change the dns for repository.maemo.org? |
| 15:56.15 | timeless_mbp | wonders if that's still around |
| 15:56.26 | ruskie | oscillik, adding it is straightforward |
| 15:56.45 | jebba | ShadowJK_: no, they don't do rsync (!!!) |
| 15:56.46 | Luser | bug 8139: repository.maemo.org not resolvable |
| 15:56.48 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8139 repository.maemo.org not resolvable |
| 15:56.53 | Luser | :) |
| 15:57.02 | jebba | timeless_mbp: no didn'¿t see that deb |
| 15:57.19 | timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1/ |
| 15:57.33 | timeless_mbp | jebba: just fix the DEBIAN bits to match your ip addresses |
| 15:57.36 | timeless_mbp | and have people install that |
| 15:57.41 | timeless_mbp | make the version number 0.1-1 though |
| 15:57.49 | timeless_mbp | because some one could have 0.1 installed :) |
| 15:57.50 | uhsf | Apple's latest move should only urge americans to get more N900 quicker and finally Apple will never get what they want. |
| 15:58.20 | Stskeeps | what move? : |
| 15:58.25 | red | ye, what move? |
| 15:58.26 | jebba | timeless_mbp: well, i don't want to muck with their dns and resolving of repository.maemo.org though..... |
| 15:58.38 | timeless_mbp | jebba: when the package uninstalls the dns reverts :) |
| 15:58.51 | ShadowJK_ | apple is trying to get nokia banned from selling devices in the US |
| 15:58.53 | uhsf | Stskeeps: red: Apple Seeks To Ban Nokia Imports To US. |
| 15:58.59 | oscillik | i must be doing something really wrong then :( |
| 15:59.08 | red | uhsf: ye the counter lawsuti for Nokia suing Apple :P |
| 15:59.24 | jebba | timeless_mbp: cool trick, but i'd rather have them do it manually for now. |
| 15:59.24 | red | Kodak is now also suing apple for patent infringments. |
| 15:59.30 | gevaerts | not very surprising. Nokia is trying to get Apple banned from selling devices in the US |
| 15:59.36 | ruskie | oscillik, what's the problem |
| 15:59.57 | red | gevaerts: Nokia is actually demanding royalties for patents, not to ban importing of their products. |
| 15:59.58 | johnq | xorAxAx: sorry, I was afk |
| 16:00.27 | oscillik | ruskie: trying to add via App Manager, putting the url in the Web address field, and then "opt" in the components field....is that not the right way to go about it? |
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| 16:00.35 | red | I bet after enough fighting over, Apple will settle with Nokia and Kodak and pay up. |
| 16:00.38 | ruskie | oscillik, no |
| 16:00.40 | red | Not like it would bankrupt them. |
| 16:00.41 | johnq | xorAxAx: it should stop after some time if you close the browser |
| 16:00.42 | ruskie | oscillik, the url includes opt |
| 16:00.49 | gevaerts | they'll reach some sort of agreement, yes |
| 16:00.50 | ruskie | the component field is ./ |
| 16:01.07 | oscillik | ruskie: thanks, i'll give that a go now :) |
| 16:01.26 | ruskie | actually |
| 16:01.27 | red | The style just is, you gotta countersue, or it leaves the door for other tryers too open :P |
| 16:01.29 | ruskie | component would be blank |
| 16:01.33 | red | quite typical |
| 16:01.36 | ruskie | it's the distribution that's ./ |
| 16:01.38 | ruskie | iirc |
| 16:01.43 | ruskie | anyway last field is blank |
| 16:02.47 | oscillik | think that might've worked - it's not thrown up a complaint this time |
| 16:02.48 | oscillik | :) |
| 16:03.04 | ruskie | what are you looking for btw? |
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| 16:04.57 | oscillik | i was trying to install your gcoreutils :) just tried now though, and apt-get is saying "gcoreutils: PreDepends: libattrl (>= 2.4.41-1) but 2.4.16-2~maemo1 is to be installed E:Broken packages" |
| 16:05.09 | pupnik | sue everybody! |
| 16:05.11 | oscillik | i'm guessing it's something i need from maemo repos |
| 16:05.12 | ruskie | hmm |
| 16:06.05 | ruskie | ii libattr1 1:2.4.43-1 |
| 16:06.08 | ruskie | that's what I have installed |
| 16:06.57 | ShadowJK_ | whoah, gcoreutils? :) |
| 16:07.03 | ruskie | yup |
| 16:07.04 | ruskie | also gtar |
| 16:07.06 | ShadowJK_ | is it optified? |
| 16:07.10 | ShadowJK_ | runs |
| 16:07.12 | ruskie | if you use the opt repo |
| 16:07.13 | ruskie | I don't |
| 16:07.20 | ruskie | I have two.. opt and nonopt |
| 16:07.30 | ruskie | also break that can break things ;) |
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| 16:09.14 | cvandonderen | can one still not add a Qt4 widget to the desktop? |
| 16:09.50 | cvandonderen | that you have to use a shortcut first? |
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| 16:13.40 | xorAxAx | johnq: ah |
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| 16:14.47 | Macer | hm |
| 16:14.58 | Macer | bunch of silly stuff... must be hinet at it again |
| 16:15.16 | Macer | the world should just blacklist hinet.net :) |
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| 16:21.49 | wazd | oh, new firmware for e63 :P |
| 16:22.07 | wazd | no portrait browsing though :) |
| 16:22.45 | RST38h | back |
| 16:23.02 | RST38h | wazd: but MMS support present? =) |
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| 16:25.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | desktop cmd execution widget is rather nice. Alas it seem you can add/activate just exactly *one* of those to desktop which makes it kinda crippled out of no need |
| 16:25.54 | wazd | RST38h: yep :D |
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| 16:27.32 | jf- | anyone got global emmc image? upload to somwhere pls because the servers are down |
| 16:29.03 | wazd | meh, 103 Mb of "stuff" |
| 16:29.33 | RST38h | OTA! OTA! |
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| 16:32.06 | oscillik | OTA update caused problems for me, so i had to reflash |
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| 16:38.47 | Caesium | anyone ever notice widgets disappear from their maemo desktop without explanation? :/ |
| 16:39.05 | Caesium | I have to keep re-adding OMweather and Personal Dataplan Monitor for some reason |
| 16:40.33 | wazd | haha, changelog |
| 16:40.40 | wazd | - amazing new features |
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| 16:50.52 | inz | Caesium, HD at least used to disable plugins when it crashed |
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| 16:51.49 | greenfly | I'm assuming the errors I'm getting with the package manager for maemo.org repos is due to the server move? |
| 16:51.58 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 16:52.03 | greenfly | tyx |
| 16:52.19 | SpeedEvil | The guy with the key to the server room is in the sauna. |
| 16:52.28 | siriusnova | :O |
| 16:52.36 | siriusnova | is he in the Sauna with ladies |
| 16:52.41 | siriusnova | or just by himself |
| 16:52.43 | villager | steal his clothes |
| 16:53.03 | gevaerts | villager: we want the key, not the clothes! |
| 16:53.13 | villager | what if the key is in the clothes |
| 16:53.29 | gevaerts | ah, good thinking |
| 16:56.26 | slonopotamus | :D |
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| 17:02.16 | mtnbkr | Caesium: I have seen this random behavior too... All widgets/shortcuts gone when I was making wallpaper chnages - but the contacts dsesktop has always remained fine. |
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| 17:10.07 | sivang | hey all |
| 17:10.15 | sivang | what's up with the fremantel extras ? |
| 17:10.20 | sivang | is it down for the last 2 days? |
| 17:10.34 | frals | yepp |
| 17:10.40 | frals | mirror in topic |
| 17:10.53 | bfree | doh, I just discovered my media player won't play anything now saying unsupported codec (or silently failing on the 9 and n900 videos). I did install the extras codecs support 0.3 :-/ strangley the mp3 ringtone works fine in profiles but won't play in "media player" (kmplayer seems ok) |
| 17:12.33 | red | kmplayer uses its own codecs |
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| 17:13.07 | SpeedEvil | A killer app for maemo 5. Clown detection http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/what-clown-on-a-unicycle-studying-cell-phone-distraction/ |
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| 17:14.09 | zujnbhgtr | http://www.pandamailer.de/?bettel=pimbolli |
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| 17:15.09 | goodwill | repository still down? |
| 17:15.13 | red | now theres an url to click |
| 17:15.20 | mtnbkr | SpeedEvil: lol was just reading that story... |
| 17:15.29 | bfree | wierd, just rebooted and now some stuff (like the mp3 I'm using as ringtone) does play :-/ |
| 17:15.52 | frals | red: yeah, after reading all the notices from ircops, one really have to click it :D |
| 17:16.05 | mtnbkr | wonders when ringtone-per-contact will be available |
| 17:16.28 | andre__ | goodwill, until tomorrow |
| 17:17.09 | odin_ | once I have packages to release, what is the next step ? or what is the wiki page relating to that workflow? thanks |
| 17:17.44 | frals | odin_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel |
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| 17:22.25 | sivang | jebba: can I offer my server for more mirroning ? |
| 17:22.31 | sivang | jebba: I understandt Extras is hosed |
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| 17:24.03 | matthew- | guys, is there any way of getting maps pre downloaded on my cell? |
| 17:24.12 | matthew- | so it works smoother? |
| 17:24.13 | jebba | sivang: you can mirror mine if you want |
| 17:24.24 | jebba | rsync is available which makes it a bit easier |
| 17:24.54 | greenfly | matthew-: yeah there is. the steps are on the forum |
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| 17:25.08 | smps | matthew-, http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html |
| 17:25.08 | greenfly | I think there might even be a wiki entry for it |
| 17:25.30 | sivang | jebba: cool, thanks |
| 17:25.50 | matthew- | smps: thanks |
| 17:26.01 | smps | np |
| 17:26.34 | frals | hello RevdKathy o/ |
| 17:26.35 | red | which one of those would work for n900 |
| 17:27.01 | RevdKathy | Hi frals |
| 17:27.15 | RevdKathy | how're you, frals? How's life? |
| 17:27.32 | odin_ | does scratchbox work on x86_64 ? or am I best to create an I386 debian Xen guest install , and then install scratchbox into that ? |
| 17:27.39 | slonopotamus | err |
| 17:27.56 | slonopotamus | how i start video recording in pr1.1? |
| 17:28.12 | pupnik | center is supposed to be + and outside is supposed to be -? |
| 17:28.12 | frals | I'm good, just packaged a new version of fMMS, after which I realised both garage and the repos are down so I did it for nothing really.. :D hows you? |
| 17:28.39 | odin_ | frals, how are you dealing with the MMS APN issue ? |
| 17:28.48 | RevdKathy | I saw that everything was down and thought - by the time they get if fixed, fMMS will have six new updates :p |
| 17:28.56 | frals | odin_: which one of the issues? ;-) |
| 17:28.56 | RevdKathy | Me? I'm... depressed |
| 17:29.04 | odin_ | frals, i.e. when the MMS APN is connected, is WLAN disconnected (and all other internet disconnected) ? |
| 17:29.07 | slonopotamus | anyone? |
| 17:29.23 | frals | odin_: for now, it has to be done manually |
| 17:29.28 | odin_ | frals, there is also the GUI to configure up artibrary APNs issue, but thats not as major a problem as above |
| 17:29.35 | smps | slonopotamus, open camera app & slider |
| 17:29.44 | frals | there is a way to disconnect all active connections, but i really don't wanna do that as its quite invasive :P |
| 17:29.53 | smps | slonopotamus, and then tap onto "A" and down there on "Video Mode" |
| 17:29.54 | slonopotamus | smps, done that. switched to video mode. |
| 17:29.57 | smps | slonopotamus, and there you go |
| 17:29.58 | frals | odin_: for adding more IAP's i released fAPN ;-) |
| 17:30.09 | frals | RevdKathy: that sucks :( anything you wanna chat about? |
| 17:30.13 | slonopotamus | smps, but how i _start_ recording? |
| 17:30.27 | pupnik | ok, yep, and n810 charger shows 7 volts |
| 17:30.34 | pupnik | hit camera button slonopotamus |
| 17:30.39 | RevdKathy | Yes loads, and no, nothing I can really talk about, frals. Just thought I could use some company |
| 17:30.42 | smps | slonopotamus, press camera button on top of your n900 |
| 17:30.45 | slonopotamus | pupnik, did that. |
| 17:30.53 | RevdKathy | so I popped in here for half an hour before starting some study |
| 17:30.54 | pupnik | good |
| 17:30.59 | pupnik | what study |
| 17:31.00 | RST38h | Us as a company? |
| 17:31.00 | pupnik | :) |
| 17:31.06 | RST38h | Oh no |
| 17:31.11 | RevdKathy | yeah - IRC = good company |
| 17:31.18 | frals | RevdKathy: plenty of company here at least... ;) |
| 17:31.23 | slonopotamus | pupnik, smps nothing happens :) |
| 17:31.25 | RevdKathy | always, frals :) |
| 17:31.34 | odin_ | frals, I'm thinking of building something into "Settings" application, for APN setup and also allowing both GPRS/WLAN to be connected at same time (and selecting priority) and the MMS issue is that, I guess most/all operators have a walled garden for their MMS APN which means you don't want WLAN to disconnect while sending/receiving MMS ? |
| 17:31.35 | slonopotamus | it worked before pr1.1. |
| 17:32.20 | odin_ | frals, there are some kernel requirements/changes needed for managing allowing both GPRS/WLAN to both be connected at same with without conflict and clear management |
| 17:32.25 | slonopotamus | ah crap |
| 17:32.36 | slonopotamus | i wasn't pressing hard enough :/ |
| 17:32.39 | smps | slonopotamus, i just tested on mine its working |
| 17:32.42 | slonopotamus | stupid button. |
| 17:32.43 | SplasPood | wow, angry birds is addictive |
| 17:32.47 | frals | odin_: Yeah, every carrier ive heard about requires you to atleast be connected to their apn to send/receive MMS |
| 17:33.02 | frals | odin_: would be awesome if you managed to solve it in a nice way :) |
| 17:33.15 | slonopotamus | smps, pupnik false alarm :) |
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| 17:33.53 | odin_ | frals, yes I have the technical understanding of Linux/kernel/userspace to solve it, just need to keep messing with Maemo but need some UI in "Settings" |
| 17:34.24 | pupnik | http://www.codemsys.com/SMPS/Lambdaschematic.jpg |
| 17:34.48 | frals | odin_: cool |
| 17:34.55 | pierlux | the repositories are still down?! that's 24 hours! |
| 17:34.57 | smps | pupnik, hahahah |
| 17:34.59 | smps | pupnik, cool |
| 17:36.39 | odin_ | shame with repos this weekend, not got much done at all (that I wanted to get done) |
| 17:38.24 | tigert | so is the dns borken still? |
| 17:39.33 | odin_ | did anyone know is scratchbox works on 64bit Linux ? Looks like I won't be able to upgrade from FC4 to FC12 anytime soon (X11 showstopper bugs) |
| 17:39.38 | siriusnova | man |
| 17:39.42 | siriusnova | the world is so boring right now |
| 17:39.46 | siriusnova | we need an alien invasion |
| 17:39.49 | siriusnova | to set things right |
| 17:40.52 | odin_ | like an invasion of Andriod(tm)s ? |
| 17:41.04 | siriusnova | naw |
| 17:41.13 | siriusnova | Aliens that are really slow moving Zombies |
| 17:41.19 | smps | odin_, there is 64bit afaik for debian |
| 17:41.19 | siriusnova | Aliens + Zombies = Ultimate Shotgunning |
| 17:41.19 | pekuja | odin_: upgrading from FC4? O__o |
| 17:41.26 | alterego_ | odin_: You could always use a VM? I have 64bit ubuntu as my host system on my develo[pment laptop and I use 32bit VM's for all my development systems, maemo-sdk is installed in a 32bit debian system for me. |
| 17:41.30 | pekuja | odin_: you should really upgrade more often |
| 17:41.44 | alterego_ | Then I use X forwarding through ssh for xephyr connections |
| 17:42.30 | ifreq | odin_: you need to atleast go thru every distro by hand until fc8 (i mean upgrade +updatere repos) |
| 17:42.43 | ifreq | until you can use preupdate cli which comes on fc8 :P |
| 17:42.48 | ifreq | and lets you update on the fly into 12 |
| 17:42.52 | ifreq | gl |
| 17:43.01 | odin_ | pekuja, why do I need to upgrade more often ? I've always had a 4year cycles on reinstalls of my workstation box (it is only now things are being linked against GLIBC 2.4/2.5 which I don't have |
| 17:43.04 | pupnik | alterego has a good approach |
| 17:43.35 | jebba | odin_: because you're running fedora, not openbsd.... |
| 17:43.37 | pekuja | odin_: security for one thing |
| 17:43.52 | odin_ | ifreq, I am not upgrading, I am reinstalling, hardware refresh at same time (a pair of 1.5Tb seagates) |
| 17:43.58 | ifreq | odin_: okay |
| 17:45.19 | odin_ | pekuja, what kind of security ? this is my desktop machine, only I use it, my browser, java development environment are kept uptodate manualy (as I use those applications always) |
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| 17:48.14 | pekuja | odin_: ok then |
| 17:48.19 | jebba | odin_: even downloading a rouge .png can get you with old stuff like that |
| 17:48.19 | pupnik | I found 100% polyester dress pants! |
| 17:49.28 | frals | RevdKathy: what kind of studying are you doing tonight then? |
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| 17:49.49 | RevdKathy | Just going to spend an hour or so transcribing some interviews |
| 17:49.54 | RevdKathy | mindless stuff |
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| 17:50.15 | RevdKathy | and my latest pile from amazon arrived yesterday |
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| 17:51.19 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 17:51.28 | timeless_mbp | or was that my stomach? |
| 17:51.47 | frals | RevdKathy: alright |
| 17:51.49 | RevdKathy | Ok, I'd better go be productive - later guys! |
| 17:51.55 | frals | ciao |
| 17:52.04 | RevdKathy | good luck with the mmses frals |
| 17:52.17 | timeless_mbp | aww |
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| 17:54.21 | matthew- | ok, now could someone link me link to unzip. and where to place those downloaded maps :) |
| 17:54.46 | matthew- | as im on my n900 and its kinda hard to google on gprs interner :) |
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| 17:56.40 | matthew- | smps: :) |
| 17:57.42 | smps | matthew-, i did unzip on my computer and then copy over usb to n900 |
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| 17:58.00 | SpeedEvil1 | I would suggest apt-get install unzip |
| 17:58.02 | SpeedEvil1 | but... |
| 17:58.05 | smps | matthew-, there is unzip somewhere in repos but they are down |
| 17:58.19 | woglinde | are the repos up again? |
| 17:59.01 | andre__ | no. |
| 17:59.18 | inz | r.m.o doesn't even seem to have a dns entry atm |
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| 18:00.58 | jebba | i dont think they work weekends. Really. I'm not kidding. Hard to believe, but true. |
| 18:01.05 | woglinde | damn |
| 18:01.13 | woglinde | I wanted finished navit |
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| 18:02.08 | tybollt | ok so whom do I need to send kosken to get maemo repos back online? ;) |
| 18:02.20 | matthew- | yeah repos are down |
| 18:02.37 | matthew- | can i download unzip from somewhere else thou? |
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| 18:03.03 | goodwill | anyone here a fan a of sygic? |
| 18:05.39 | sejo | repositrory down? |
| 18:05.41 | matthew- | no? :) |
| 18:05.56 | sejo | is there a mirror somewhere so I can instaal the sdk? |
| 18:06.13 | sejo | Firefox can't find the server at repository.maemo.org. |
| 18:06.47 | arachnist | $ host repository.maemo.org. |
| 18:06.47 | arachnist | Host repository.maemo.org. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 18:06.59 | sejo | indeed |
| 18:07.19 | sejo | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html does link to there |
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| 18:08.04 | Stskeeps | read topic |
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| 18:09.44 | sejo | Stskeeps: no link to sdk there |
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| 18:11.15 | Stskeeps | no, but repos are down so not much to do |
| 18:11.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 18:15.13 | pupnik | i have plenty of work here, no repo needed |
| 18:17.24 | RST38h | pupnik: You should really start committing stuff to Extras-* though |
| 18:17.35 | RST38h | Even although it is pain |
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| 18:18.26 | arachnist | creating .deb is also a pain |
| 18:19.00 | inz | no it isn't |
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| 18:20.10 | dmj726_n900 | Is fremantle extras down? |
| 18:20.18 | RST38h | yes. |
| 18:20.39 | dmj726_n900 | Eta on being back? |
| 18:20.46 | RST38h | inz: It is. Consists of multiple complicated and badly explained steps. |
| 18:20.54 | RST38h | dmj: Monday. |
| 18:21.27 | inz | RST, sure, but it is still not pain; cumbersome, sure; pain, not. ;) |
| 18:21.55 | inz | RST, for example I prefer it over rpm packaging any day. |
| 18:21.57 | RST38h | inz: Pain as far as I am concerned |
| 18:22.02 | frals | hmm |
| 18:22.03 | RST38h | Simple example: |
| 18:22.22 | frals | interesting, got dropped from my cellular network, now i rebooted and got a message with new service settings |
| 18:22.24 | jebba | inz, apt beats yum, but making a foo.spec is much better than makinga .deb.... |
| 18:22.30 | RST38h | Try moving a directory inside your .deb to /opt, without resorting to postinst |
| 18:22.37 | inz | Maybe pain is in the eye of the beholder. |
| 18:23.10 | inz | jebba, I used to hate creating .specs |
| 18:23.19 | inz | jebba, debian packaging is almost fun =) |
| 18:23.35 | jebba | inz: ya, but it makes adding multiple Sources: easy, for instace. And patches are cleaner. And it's not spewed all over the place and... |
| 18:23.53 | jebba | inz, you can't even include a debian/foo.png in maemo packaging!!! |
| 18:24.36 | inz | jebba, that is a problem with the .orig + .diff |
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| 18:31.44 | caotic | is there any way to increase the frequency of the notification led on the n900. I have to stare way longare than a glance to see if I have any notification |
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| 18:32.21 | SpeedEvil | caotic: look at /etc/mce/* |
| 18:33.36 | cehteh | still no app which helps reprogramming the notification lights? |
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| 18:34.59 | SpeedEvil | PatternCommunicationSMS=30;1;0;250;2000;15 |
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| 18:36.19 | SpeedEvil | this means - on a SMS - it's on for 250ms, and off for 2000, at an intensity of 15 |
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| 18:37.14 | SpeedEvil | with a timeout of 30 seconds, quite high priority - and only when the screen is off. |
| 18:37.39 | SpeedEvil | on ratehr |
| 18:38.07 | SpeedEvil | Simply changing that to 100/1000 will make it flash .1s/1s |
| 18:38.30 | microlith | hmm |
| 18:38.33 | cehteh | yeah ,, well for a programmer .. but errors there are rather unforgiving and its not very intuitive |
| 18:38.45 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 18:38.45 | microlith | an app for that wouldn't be too hard |
| 18:38.50 | SpeedEvil | but errors aren't important |
| 18:38.56 | microlith | I'm happy that it's so well documented |
| 18:38.58 | SpeedEvil | I mean - they don't brick the device |
| 18:38.58 | cehteh | some app where one can choose color and blink pattern would be really nice |
| 18:39.02 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 18:39.05 | SpeedEvil | that would be nice |
| 18:39.11 | cehteh | i changed mine too |
| 18:39.21 | cehteh | but its really nothing a causual user should touch |
| 18:39.45 | chezgi | hello, i want to develop an application for maemo and i want to call someone and send some data to it. is this possible at all? and where can i find documents for that? |
| 18:40.21 | cehteh | xorAxAx: btw since you have your device now .. do you think the profile switcher is a feasible project? |
| 18:40.24 | SpeedEvil | 'send some data to it' ? |
| 18:41.01 | chezgi | SpeedEvil: ok i want to send "DATA" not "VOICE". |
| 18:41.01 | microlith | are NJoyRX44 and NJoyRX48 the N800 and N810? |
| 18:41.44 | SpeedEvil | chezgi: What do you mean by that. making a connection to it is like any other internet connected (often NAT'd) device |
| 18:42.48 | chezgi | SpeedEvil: i want to use GSM network no wifi network. |
| 18:44.35 | SpeedEvil | Ah. Followup in #m-d |
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| 18:48.49 | plr_ | what is maemo-launcher and why it's complaining size mismatch when trying to upgrade |
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| 19:13.19 | cvandonderen | do the libqt4-maemo5 packages contain any stuff from git, or is it just 4.6.0? I want to use setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5ForcePortraitOrientation); |
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| 19:15.58 | xorAxAx | cehteh: yeah |
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| 19:17.46 | cehteh | fine :) |
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| 19:26.29 | konttori | Hey, have we mentioned in any changelog that change to fullscreen auto-toggles non-composite mode in pr1.1? |
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| 19:27.15 | konttori | anyway, if we haven't well, ^^^ ( instant gain of over 10% speed to any app by going to full screen) |
| 19:27.24 | konttori | some apps gain up to 25% that way |
| 19:28.32 | Stskeeps | that's kinda clever |
| 19:28.45 | gevaerts | oh, that probably explains the game performans improvements that people noticed |
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| 19:29.23 | gevaerts | hasn't seen that in the wiki changelog at least |
| 19:29.46 | frals | hehe |
| 19:30.01 | frals | thats something you generally see companies brag about in changelogs ;) |
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| 19:31.38 | konttori | I just realized that when I was looking at doom emulator and started thinking if it needs the perf boost or not |
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| 19:32.06 | Stskeeps | worth a small blog post to mention that trick |
| 19:32.08 | RST38h | konttori: Yes, I have noticed that it toggles non-composite mode in PR1.1 =( |
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| 19:34.17 | konttori | RST38h: why the sour face? |
| 19:34.21 | konttori | it's good news, no? |
| 19:34.36 | RST38h | konttori: FBReader back-to-windowed-mode icon went opaque in PR1.1 |
| 19:34.41 | RST38h | And now I know why... |
| 19:34.50 | konttori | if you set any 'need' e.g. scaling for window, it will stay composited |
| 19:35.01 | RST38h | Interesting |
| 19:35.20 | konttori | also, if you have any window stack (e.g. a dialog), it will go non-composited |
| 19:35.32 | konttori | and when dialog goes away, it switches back to non-composited |
| 19:35.45 | konttori | we thought to make things easier for the devs that way |
| 19:35.57 | konttori | also, in pr1.2 there is a new auto-rotate window property |
| 19:36.02 | RST38h | =) |
| 19:36.21 | konttori | that allows apps to stop having to listen to dbus messages about the accelerometer, or the kb opening a |
| 19:36.26 | gevaerts | open a window and it rotates the phone? :) |
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| 19:36.37 | konttori | what? |
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| 19:36.54 | gevaerts | should probably be ignored |
| 19:37.22 | konttori | also, there is a new resize event for the windows early on |
| 19:38.15 | konttori | so, when rotation starts, the compositor takes snapshot of the window, then sends resize even to the window, then starts the rotation animation while the app itself is adjusting to new resolution |
| 19:38.22 | konttori | this makes the rotation smoother. |
| 19:38.37 | gevaerts | nice |
| 19:39.01 | RST38h | konttori: absolutely correct way to do it, as long as it works as advertised =) |
| 19:39.05 | Jaffa | konttori: Sounds good |
| 19:39.12 | Jaffa | Nice to have such things designed for fluidity |
| 19:39.18 | RST38h | resize event should really be the ONLY way to report rotation |
| 19:39.20 | Jaffa | konttori: PR1.2's a definite for release, then? |
| 19:39.26 | Jaffa | (or as definite as such things are) |
| 19:39.50 | konttori | well, we might call it 5.2 if stars align right |
| 19:40.02 | Jaffa | Sounds sensible |
| 19:40.13 | konttori | also, we might call if 5.3 if stars align a bit differently, but still about ok |
| 19:40.18 | RST38h | ehehe |
| 19:40.34 | konttori | there is definitely going to be a release between now and pr1.2 |
| 19:40.36 | RST38h | konttori: Could you pull the correct strings to finally make POP3 work in Modest? |
| 19:40.42 | konttori | what that will be called... |
| 19:40.45 | Jaffa | 's only just convinced his mgmt that the development/project team should be in charge of x, y and z in 5.x.y.z. Marketing can own major, and we'll own everything else |
| 19:40.51 | konttori | RST38h: bug #? |
| 19:41.24 | RST38h | konttori: a moment |
| 19:41.57 | RST38h | bug #5839 |
| 19:41.58 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5839 Modest gets stuck updating POP3 mailboxes |
| 19:42.21 | RST38h | bug #5836 |
| 19:42.22 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5836 POP3 TCP connection is left open leading to locking issues |
| 19:42.56 | RST38h | bug #5567 |
| 19:42.56 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5567 Cannot delete messages off POP3 server in Modest |
| 19:43.54 | Jaffa | hopes the modest patches for proper attribution and signature position get included in 5.x |
| 19:44.03 | Stskeeps | people still use pop3? |
| 19:44.09 | microlith | yup |
| 19:44.11 | konttori | RST38h: so, how come you have not voted on those bugs? |
| 19:44.14 | RST38h | + the damn thing DOES NOT LET COPY&PASTE email messages! |
| 19:44.22 | RST38h | konttori: I have |
| 19:44.27 | konttori | anyway, especially 5836 looks really bad |
| 19:44.36 | RST38h | If not, going to vote right away |
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| 19:44.47 | RST38h | konttori: No shit, it prevents me from keeping track of my email account |
| 19:44.50 | microlith | will use pop3 with gmail until it doesn't sync spam messages |
| 19:44.52 | konttori | copy paste was just introduced in pannable areas in general |
| 19:44.57 | konttori | so, that will be there in pr1.2 |
| 19:45.22 | konttori | keep shift down in any pannable area and you can select content and copy it |
| 19:45.30 | RST38h | cool |
| 19:45.44 | RST38h | that is related to that pan/select bug tracker right? |
| 19:46.10 | Jaffa | konttori: bug 2563 and bug 3700 ftw - they've even got patches attached! |
| 19:46.12 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying |
| 19:46.13 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post) |
| 19:46.17 | konttori | umm... dunno. This was a feature that was picked to be done roughly when device was released |
| 19:46.33 | wazd_ | RST38h: if you'll have some free time - marina shots are much appreciated :P |
| 19:46.38 | RST38h | konttori: Oh there is one more thing related to POP3, I have not reported it because it is being obscured by #5836 |
| 19:46.44 | RST38h | wazd: Ok, in a moment |
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| 19:47.07 | RST38h | konttori: When you select "leave messages at the server", Modest will retrieve the same messages again and again |
| 19:47.36 | RST38h | konttori: Reporting this is kinda pointless at the moment because Modest will lock after checking pop3 mailbox just a few times |
| 19:47.54 | konttori | Please report it now |
| 19:48.07 | konttori | we have only few weeks of dev time for pr1.2 |
| 19:48.07 | microlith | RST38h: gmail must internally mark messages as retrieved and not show them to clients... |
| 19:48.13 | konttori | that sounds like a good bug to fix |
| 19:48.23 | RST38h | microlith: Not everyone uses GMail. |
| 19:48.29 | microlith | just noting what I've seen |
| 19:48.38 | konttori | you mean #5567 |
| 19:48.41 | RST38h | konttori: ok, but only after I make sure that th ebug still exists in 1.1 |
| 19:48.48 | konttori | sure |
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| 19:49.33 | alterego_ | Just seems to me, that the "killer" phone application is a web browser. |
| 19:49.50 | gevaerts | disagrees. The killer app is the terminal |
| 19:50.05 | woglinde | the killer app is sudo |
| 19:50.06 | RST38h | the killer app is the weight and durability |
| 19:50.06 | Jaffa | Hehe, "killer", "terminal". Teehee. |
| 19:50.10 | microlith | gevaerts: for a specific audience, yes |
| 19:50.13 | RST38h | that is what matters when you kill people with it |
| 19:50.21 | gevaerts | microlith: that's true for *all* killer apps |
| 19:50.27 | Jaffa | RST38h: I find the built-in blowtorch to be quite handy |
| 19:50.59 | RST38h | Jaffa: Slow. |
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| 19:51.16 | Jaffa | RST38h: Not if your victim is stood next to a fuel tank. |
| 19:51.25 | RST38h | Jaffa: But good for thermorectal cryptoanalysis |
| 19:51.49 | Jaffa | RST38h: That doesn't sound like fun; to receive anyway. |
| 19:52.16 | alterego | Well, I've just been talking to some friends that use iPhones, and asking them what apps they use, they all said "facebook", and other websites that do things like give them cinema times, local news and that kind of stuff. |
| 19:52.20 | alterego | All websites. |
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| 19:52.57 | smps | konttori, do you know status of this bug report ? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 |
| 19:52.58 | povbot` | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view |
| 19:53.28 | RST38h | #7026 is The Bug |
| 19:53.37 | RST38h | Epic etc |
| 19:55.36 | RST38h | wazd: Well...installing. |
| 19:57.02 | konttori | smps: I don't, but I have taken it now under my radar. I'll get the location guys working on it. |
| 19:57.46 | smps | konttori, thx |
| 19:58.09 | RST38h | konttori: #7026 is half-a-bug. Another half is Ovi Maps restarting gps acquisition every 30 seconds |
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| 19:58.45 | smps | actually i did some tests with that location test gui app mentioned in bug report and have not used ovi maps at all |
| 19:58.54 | smps | i was testing if phone can get location fix |
| 19:59.21 | Stskeeps | konttori: think quim is gently whipping them a bit on the issue already |
| 19:59.23 | smps | there are time where i get 5 sats in view and all of them have over 25 dbHz signals but no fix |
| 20:00.23 | RST38h | wazd: Miraculously I do not see too much disk space decrease |
| 20:00.35 | konttori | Hmm.. I will only next week start digesting the other teams, so I have quite bad knowledge of some components (e.g. gps ). will improve next week |
| 20:00.37 | RST38h | Whatever those 9MB contained, did not go to / |
| 20:01.02 | RST38h | Theme selector says "Marina by Andrew Zhilin" |
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| 20:01.35 | Zoup | is repository.maemo.org dead? i can not even resolve the address |
| 20:01.39 | RST38h | wazd: Ok, you want comments? |
| 20:01.45 | smps | Zoup, read topic |
| 20:01.45 | frals | Zoup: yes, mirror is in topic |
| 20:01.54 | Zoup | sorry! |
| 20:02.33 | Jaffa | konttori: You 1.2 mgr? |
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| 20:03.20 | konttori | Jaffa: I'll start managing OS from next week on for fremantle |
| 20:03.29 | Jaffa | konttori: Exciting stuff :) |
| 20:04.26 | konttori | so, everything but the apps (well, OS includes also HAM, backup, file manager, contacts,xterm) |
| 20:04.36 | konttori | but not e.g. rtcom nor browser. |
| 20:04.41 | RST38h | Aaaa! Heeere you go! |
| 20:04.47 | RST38h | konttori: XTerm!!! 8) |
| 20:05.08 | konttori | while, e.g. logically rtcom would be more part of the base level, and contacts part of apps. |
| 20:05.20 | konttori | but, you know, it's not always logical in a big organization |
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| 20:05.34 | konttori | what about xterm? |
| 20:05.55 | RST38h | konttori: cannot configure shortcut bar, cannot move shortcut bar to the right |
| 20:06.12 | Stskeeps | RST38h: didn't you have commit to osso-xterm? |
| 20:06.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:06.14 | RST38h | konttori: Enter key behaves weirdly, because it is KP_Enter |
| 20:06.23 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Still do, do not have time though |
| 20:06.59 | konttori | hmm... let's make bugs again for those lost features and we'll add those at some point. |
| 20:07.04 | konttori | well, some of them |
| 20:07.04 | RST38h | konttori: ideally, would love full screen transparent keyboard overlay but yes, I do understand it is too much to ask |
| 20:07.11 | RST38h | konttori: We have all the bugs |
| 20:07.13 | konttori | the shortcuts to right won't happen |
| 20:07.14 | RST38h | a moment |
| 20:07.22 | RST38h | konttori: Why? There is even a patch |
| 20:07.29 | konttori | it's so against the UI paradigm |
| 20:07.38 | RST38h | But it is comfortable |
| 20:07.43 | Jaffa | What about configurable shortcuts? |
| 20:07.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: http://picasaweb.google.ru/Drew.Zhilin/MerArtwork#5363108569064718898 |
| 20:07.51 | konttori | last time I owned xterm (in diablo), we had so many discussions about that |
| 20:07.58 | Jaffa | I miss ctrl-a,n and ctrl-a,p :-( |
| 20:08.01 | RST38h | Make it an option |
| 20:08.04 | konttori | since then, I lost xterm for fremantle and now have regained it back |
| 20:08.15 | RST38h | Jaffa: configurable, but only through the anus for now |
| 20:08.39 | RST38h | konttori: if it is a secret gconf setting, that would already be sufficient |
| 20:08.53 | Stskeeps | yeah, people can just make a XTerm configurator or something :P |
| 20:09.02 | frals | secret gconf-settings are awesome tbh |
| 20:09.17 | konttori | sure, we can think about that for the after pr1.2 release |
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| 20:09.59 | RST38h | Ok, here we go: bug #3929, bug #4912, bug #4914, bug #4913, bug #5327, bug #5326 |
| 20:10.03 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 Requesting integration of some community supplied XTerm enhancements |
| 20:10.04 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4912 Add vertical shortcut placement option to XTerm |
| 20:10.05 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 Add context menu to XTerm (for URLs, etc) |
| 20:10.06 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4913 Add transparent full screen keyboard option to XTerm |
| 20:10.07 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 Reintroduce shortcut configuration into Maemo5 XTerm |
| 20:10.08 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5326 Reintroduce character encoding options into Maemo5 XTerm |
| 20:10.20 | RST38h | And bug #6045 to top it off |
| 20:10.22 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6045 ENTER key stops working in XTerm |
| 20:10.39 | RST38h | konttori: [you can instantly see what app geeks use most] |
| 20:11.15 | konttori | wtf. the last must get fixed |
| 20:11.28 | RST38h | it is a KP_Enter issue |
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| 20:13.44 | MaemohammadAG | do nokia check all bugs? or does it depend on votes? |
| 20:13.59 | MaemohammadAG | cause this one hasn't been replied to by anyone https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 |
| 20:14.00 | povbot` | Bug 8089: Clicking notifications for e-mails in folders displays an error |
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| 20:20.05 | pupnik | good summary RST38h |
| 20:20.28 | RST38h | well the xterm issues are well known |
| 20:20.48 | pupnik | i need to remember how i made fullscreen truly fullscreen so i can't access menu |
| 20:21.19 | pupnik | now when i have one fullscreen xterm, and click the terminal desktop icon, it brings up my existing fullscreen xterm - and there's no way to open another one clicky-wise |
| 20:21.46 | pupnik | imo desktop icon should create a new xterm |
| 20:27.17 | RST38h | well, xterm is a single app that opens multiple windows |
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| 20:27.24 | RST38h | that is how it has been designed afaik |
| 20:27.36 | wazd_ | downloaded new firmware after 8 attempts :) |
| 20:27.41 | crashanddie | sup |
| 20:28.06 | RST38h | wazd: Ok, you want comments on the theme, before I go do some chores? |
| 20:28.16 | wazd_ | RST38h: sure |
| 20:28.33 | RST38h | wazd: 1) No little "cross" icons used in desktop editing mode (see screenshot) |
| 20:28.45 | wazd_ | RST38h: ah |
| 20:28.54 | RST38h | wazd: 2) The background is way too bold, it practically obscures desktop shortcuts |
| 20:28.58 | wazd_ | RST38h: then it is an old template |
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| 20:29.20 | RST38h | wazd: 3) highlighted buttons (SEND, END, etc) are too dark, they are hard to differentiate from normal buttons |
| 20:29.22 | wazd_ | RST38h: background of what? |
| 20:29.28 | RST38h | wazd: desktop background |
| 20:29.38 | wazd_ | RST38h: bold? :) |
| 20:29.50 | RST38h | wazd: 4) App Manager main screen is orange with...mhmm...PINK highlights. |
| 20:30.10 | RST38h | wazd: 5) Media Player main screen is poisonously green =) |
| 20:30.11 | wazd_ | RST38h: aaaah |
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| 20:30.26 | wazd_ | RST38h: ok, that's a very old template, sorry :P |
| 20:30.27 | RST38h | wazd: bold as in yarkij, kontrastnyi |
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| 20:30.42 | wazd_ | RST38h: yeah, now I see |
| 20:30.49 | wazd_ | RST38h: "bloody" :D |
| 20:31.10 | RST38h | wazd: the default bg konttori used was actually a nice example of a good background |
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| 20:31.27 | wazd_ | RST38h: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/wp3.jpg |
| 20:31.31 | wazd_ | RST38h: these are current |
| 20:31.38 | RST38h | wazd: but anyway 6) Dark halves of the buttons are a bit too dark, they blend with the black background |
| 20:31.44 | wazd_ | RST38h: that background is not mine :P |
| 20:31.50 | konttori | I really like mer gb image |
| 20:31.52 | RST38h | Yea, I know :) |
| 20:32.12 | RST38h | wazd: 7) dunno if it is doable, but can you make scroll bar knobs round? :) |
| 20:32.28 | wazd_ | RST38h: don't think so |
| 20:32.54 | RST38h | wazd: Ah...well, no big deal |
| 20:32.56 | Stskeeps | is a big fan of the Dexter-style variant background of the nokia hildon-theme-variant-template, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer0.17bloody.png |
| 20:33.21 | RST38h | Sts: but...mm...it is bloody! =) |
| 20:33.29 | Stskeeps | indeed it is |
| 20:34.11 | RST38h | wazd: (actually, I wanted to ask you to maybe fix the default Digital Life theme a little bit ;)) |
| 20:34.32 | cehteh | ... still waiting for a bright theme :P |
| 20:34.44 | cehteh | (and a new device) |
| 20:35.08 | villager | pupnik: well, you can un-fullscreen the xterm, click the menu/title bar, and click "new", then re-fullscreen it... that's how I do it clicky-wise but it's a bit many clicks yeah |
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| 20:37.01 | konttori | some nice bgs in here: http://www.triplemonitorbackgrounds.com/ |
| 20:37.28 | konttori | e.g. this is pretty freakin great: http://www.triplemonitorbackgrounds.com/microscopic/Neuron.jpg.php?z&p=full-image |
| 20:37.40 | RevdKathy | There's a bright Pink theme if you want bright |
| 20:38.11 | konttori | hey, we have nice new feature for bgs in pr1.2: all images of 3200x480 are automatically listed in the bgs list. |
| 20:38.18 | RevdKathy | http://www.flickr.com/photos/45336204@N08/4268239855/ |
| 20:38.26 | villager | well, I guess people might consider me slightly gay anyway, why not |
| 20:38.37 | konttori | Any idea if that should be relaxed to cover also everything larger than that? |
| 20:38.54 | Jaffa | konttori: Nice; I think that's a good heuristic. |
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| 20:39.03 | Jaffa | konttori: People will be downloading images specifically of that size. |
| 20:39.13 | RST38h | kinda hard to expect someone to have an image of these dimensions by chance... |
| 20:39.36 | cehteh | RevdKathy: thinking more about black on white |
| 20:39.43 | wazd_ | cehteh: I was really thinking to make some milky "ovi suite" style theme |
| 20:39.45 | frals | RevdKathy: thats... really pink :D |
| 20:39.48 | janszoon | Hello all: Simple question...what is th xterminal command to view battery level? |
| 20:39.51 | RST38h | cehteh: A NeXTstep theme! |
| 20:39.51 | RevdKathy | I have teddy bears |
| 20:40.00 | RevdKathy | yes, the pink is seriously... pink |
| 20:40.00 | frals | janszoon: lshal|grep batt |
| 20:40.01 | RST38h | No desktop is complete without a NeXTstep theme |
| 20:40.10 | konttori | lol |
| 20:40.14 | RevdKathy | I may use it for Valentines. One day peryear might be its limit |
| 20:40.18 | janszoon | @frals Thanks ! |
| 20:40.27 | cehteh | wazd_: purpose: when using the n900 in bright sunlight .. much white and big/bold black text is best readable on the transreflexive display then |
| 20:40.28 | frals | np |
| 20:40.28 | RevdKathy | I have the digital nature with a bears wallpaper |
| 20:40.46 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: so i have some questions for people |
| 20:40.48 | RST38h | <gone period="20m"/> |
| 20:40.55 | cehteh | so mostly white .. black text and few but satuated colors |
| 20:40.58 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: got time to read a draft blog entry? |
| 20:41.13 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: As long as it's shorter than War & Peace... |
| 20:41.15 | RevdKathy | if I can help, timeless_mbp - not sure I can tho |
| 20:41.18 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: About to sit down with the missus. |
| 20:41.26 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: But I can take a look... |
| 20:41.39 | cehteh | btw where is the relation between brightness sensor and screen brightness configured? |
| 20:41.49 | MaemohammadAG | lol angrybirds lvlpack1 is on a repo on my device |
| 20:41.54 | timeless_mbp | it's shorter :) |
| 20:41.55 | MaemohammadAG | could be jebba's |
| 20:42.39 | Stskeeps | janszoon: hal-device bme |
| 20:42.41 | MaemohammadAG | angrybirds-levelpack1 - Extra levels to Angry Birds |
| 20:42.42 | frals | on the topic of backgrounds, i love this for my "xterm and devstuff" desktop on the n900 http://divineerror.deviantart.com/art/Technical-Imperfection-10069275 ;D |
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| 20:43.20 | janszoon | Is there a wiki or something somewhere for simple xterminal commands like battery, CPU etc? |
| 20:43.54 | konttori | good point. there should be, but there isn't afaik |
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| 20:44.22 | RevdKathy | would be really, really useful in the wiki |
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| 20:45.03 | RevdKathy | I;m surprised it doesn't already exist |
| 20:45.29 | janszoon | Cool, can someone who knows this stuff think about setting it up, I'm sure HEAPS of people would benifit and enjoy :-) |
| 20:45.42 | Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org has hordes of info |
| 20:46.27 | RevdKathy | is it in one tidy place, Stskeeps? Could we put it in one tidy place, like the keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 20:46.40 | Stskeeps | RevdKathy: n900 tips and tricks not so much |
| 20:47.06 | RevdKathy | would it be worth making a page for 'common xterminal commands'? |
| 20:47.11 | Stskeeps | of course |
| 20:47.20 | Stskeeps | n900 cheatsheet |
| 20:47.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:47.28 | RevdKathy | That would be brilliant :) |
| 20:47.32 | RevdKathy | Yes please! |
| 20:47.45 | janszoon | that souds good...looking at wiki too though....just hard to see in one view ;-) |
| 20:47.45 | Stskeeps | is sitting and looking at a way to do miniprojects in a community |
| 20:47.47 | chem|st | ??? |
| 20:47.56 | chem|st | hi RevdKathy btw |
| 20:48.34 | RevdKathy | Hi Chm|st |
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| 20:48.50 | chem|st | 'common xterminal commands'? |
| 20:49.12 | chem|st | what are you after? "df -h" like stuff? |
| 20:49.18 | RevdKathy | how do I move a brainstorm on now, so it doesn't get stuck at the ideas stage? O wise one of the Brainstorm (chem|st) |
| 20:49.30 | chem|st | lol |
| 20:49.37 | chem|st | RevdKathy: dont know yet |
| 20:49.38 | RevdKathy | yeah - df -h, the command to see the exact battery level |
| 20:50.03 | chem|st | so real basics? |
| 20:50.06 | RevdKathy | I want to know whether I can do the python optify safely |
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| 20:50.29 | RevdKathy | yeah - a few basic ones for us linux n900bs to try |
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| 20:50.53 | RevdKathy | (only python I ever knew was a dance partner) |
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| 20:50.55 | chem|st | should I start typing at the wiki then? |
| 20:51.02 | RevdKathy | yes please! do |
| 20:51.30 | RevdKathy | the first xterm command I ever used was the battery level |
| 20:51.50 | RevdKathy | then Hopbeat talked me through colecting sheep |
| 20:51.51 | chem|st | everything apart of talk is stuck for me at the moment, dont know what the guys do but there seems to be some kind of css messup |
| 20:52.15 | chem|st | df |
| 20:52.16 | RevdKathy | yeah - it's all part of the server crash |
| 20:52.19 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: "Do the Python optify safely"? |
| 20:52.23 | RevdKathy | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41023 |
| 20:52.24 | chem|st | shows partition usage |
| 20:52.27 | smps | RevdKathy, lshal | grep perc | awk '{print $3}' |
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| 20:52.39 | chem|st | Jaffa: didnt want to ask this ;) |
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| 20:52.53 | RevdKathy | people in the n900 forum are saying you can optify the python libraries and free up rootfs space |
| 20:53.10 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: The people in the N900 forum are talking bollocks. Quelle surprise! |
| 20:53.17 | chem|st | RevdKathy: dont do that stuff yourself |
| 20:53.18 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: Python and its libraries are now optified by default! |
| 20:53.21 | RevdKathy | LOL - it seems to have worked for them |
| 20:53.23 | frals | python is optified by default isnt it? |
| 20:53.27 | Jaffa | frals: Yes |
| 20:53.30 | frals | doh, Jaffa beat me to it :) |
| 20:53.39 | RevdKathy | really? what if I installed stuff from before it was? |
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| 20:53.57 | pupnik | important to use ! for tmo |
| 20:54.06 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: Go to X Terminal, and do `apt-cache policy pymaemo-optify' (don't need to be root) |
| 20:54.09 | flux | how recent feature was that? because I'm pretty sure I release some root space by installing the pymaemo-optify -package |
| 20:54.20 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: If you've got an * next to a version, Python is optified. |
| 20:54.24 | RevdKathy | Thanks flux - I didn;t imagine it |
| 20:54.49 | Jaffa | Alternatively, you can just type "mount" and if you see references to /usr/lib/python2.5 (and other Python stuff), Python is optified. |
| 20:54.51 | flux | also: dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.5/weakref.py -> says python2.5 owns a file not in /opt |
| 20:55.05 | Jaffa | flux: Python owns lots of files not in /opt |
| 20:55.13 | Jaffa | flux: But they're not in the rootfs. |
| 20:55.13 | flux | jaffa, sure, but I'm also pretty sure those mounts didn't exist before I installed the package :) |
| 20:55.19 | flux | jaffa, yes, I know how it works |
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| 20:55.25 | Jaffa | flux: Just checkin' ;-) |
| 20:55.29 | chem|st | guys keep it basic for RevdKathy |
| 20:55.44 | RevdKathy | unable to locate package pymaemo-optify |
| 20:55.46 | Jaffa | flux: There is a point in time at which pymaemo-optify was not installed. |
| 20:55.50 | RevdKathy | is what it says |
| 20:55.52 | pupnik | can for me too |
| 20:56.04 | Jaffa | In...teresting. |
| 20:56.11 | flux | jaffa, is pymaemo-optify part of pr1.1? |
| 20:56.20 | RevdKathy | Mo is obviously missing summat |
| 20:56.23 | Jaffa | flux: Python isn't part of the base; it comes from extras. |
| 20:56.30 | flux | oh, ok |
| 20:56.38 | flux | so it should come as part of the upgrades |
| 20:56.39 | flux | ? |
| 20:56.43 | Jaffa | flux: Yeah |
| 20:56.53 | Jaffa | pymaemo-optify 0.2 is in Extras |
| 20:57.05 | flux | well, I might have skipped a beat while making space for pr1.1, by installing it manually |
| 20:57.26 | RevdKathy | I think that's what people said they were doing, flux |
| 20:57.59 | Jaffa | emails pymaemo-developers, Quim, X-Fade and jeremiah about making sure that pymaemo-optify 0.4 is in extras |
| 20:58.11 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: If you install a Python app, you SHOULD be getting it automatically. That's the intent. |
| 20:58.24 | Jaffa | People spend so long thinking they're clever rather than reporting a problem. |
| 20:58.34 | wazd_ | RST38h: right now widgets should look like this: http://i056.radikal.ru/1001/b0/f1fd504742d2.png |
| 20:58.37 | RevdKathy | I suspect I have python apps from before it was there |
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| 20:58.47 | RevdKathy | I have had witter for a while, for exaple |
| 20:58.50 | RevdKathy | from testing |
| 20:59.03 | chem|st | RevdKathy: with an upgrade of those apps you should get the optified one |
| 20:59.22 | RevdKathy | That's what I was assuming - and waiting for something to upgrade |
| 20:59.29 | RevdKathy | but witter has stuck. |
| 20:59.37 | RevdKathy | not sure what else I have on python |
| 20:59.39 | frals | since fMMS depends on python you shouldve gotten the upgrade when installing that a few days back |
| 20:59.49 | chem|st | common sense is "stay away from testing and devel as long as you arent tester nor developer" |
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| 20:59.55 | RevdKathy | ahhh apparently not |
| 21:00.18 | chem|st | RevdKathy: have you set up mirror repos? |
| 21:00.20 | RevdKathy | I agree, chem|ist - i have about 2 apps fro anything other than extras so I could do my bit for testing |
| 21:00.28 | RevdKathy | no, I thought I'd wait |
| 21:00.30 | chem|st | ;) |
| 21:00.32 | edgar2 | revdkathy, my friend mece also had problems getting python optified |
| 21:00.48 | konttori | so, garage servers aren't working? |
| 21:00.50 | Jaffa | frals: HAM won't update library dependencies. |
| 21:01.01 | Jaffa | konttori: Indeed; though things seem to come through occasionally |
| 21:01.06 | konttori | wazd_: those widgets look great |
| 21:01.08 | frals | Jaffa: ah, okey |
| 21:01.31 | wazd_ | konttori: well, thanks :) |
| 21:01.33 | frals | ive gotten garage to load a few times, not dared to do anything on there thou |
| 21:01.38 | edgar2 | in his case, he'd gotten it automatically through some -devel app, and the solution afair was to remove python completely and the reinstall it through some extras app that needed python |
| 21:01.57 | RevdKathy | I'm not too worried - I kind of assumed it would right itself in sue course as something updated |
| 21:02.03 | RevdKathy | won't it? |
| 21:02.07 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: Thanks for the pointer - I've sent an email to the appropriate people |
| 21:02.21 | RevdKathy | Thanks - there#s a few threads on it in the n900 forum |
| 21:02.22 | chem|st | Jaffa: thx |
| 21:02.37 | chem|st | this is just not the way it should be... |
| 21:02.37 | RevdKathy | reads voraciously, and remembers even what she doesn;t understand |
| 21:02.41 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: Yes, it should do (well, ish, see earlier commment about HAM upgrading non user/ libraries) |
| 21:02.44 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: Handy |
| 21:03.04 | Jaffa | reads less voraciously, hence his "someone reads TMO so I don't have to" idea (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News) |
| 21:03.12 | RevdKathy | very useful - brain = search function |
| 21:03.29 | RevdKathy | when I left my last place after 10 years they complained I was depriving them of the archive |
| 21:03.59 | RevdKathy | I think that's a good idea Jaffa - I think more dynamic communications generally |
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| 21:04.24 | RevdKathy | I like the 'ticker' for vital news (like the repos being down) is a good one too |
| 21:04.35 | RevdKathy | and we defo need an offical twitter account |
| 21:05.21 | RevdKathy | I's sign up to be one of the 'feeds' for your news if you like - just pick up bits from the forum and let someone see if they're important |
| 21:05.59 | konttori | wazd_: I need to get the rss widget image set correctly finally |
| 21:06.26 | konttori | new version of nuvofre: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/7258/nuvofre_1.05_all.deb |
| 21:06.26 | frals | seeing as RevdKathy usually responds within 2minutes on twitter I think she'd make a great twitter-spammer for maemo news ;) |
| 21:06.41 | RevdKathy | LOL - yeah, twitter-spammer that's me |
| 21:06.55 | konttori | definitely worth testing. Lots of improvements. |
| 21:06.55 | chem|st | spammer indeed... ;) |
| 21:07.08 | RevdKathy | the python issue is on the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 21:07.34 | chem|st | ah wiki is working for me again... |
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| 21:08.33 | chem|st | RevdKathy: that entry is just fine! |
| 21:08.39 | RevdKathy | yep |
| 21:08.46 | wazd_ | btw, while visiting spb, we've discussed /opt stuff |
| 21:09.01 | RevdKathy | and here;'s the thread where I read it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=469070#post469070 |
| 21:09.42 | RevdKathy | took it in, thought "I has python apps... should do that?" and decided I'd wait and hope it sorted itself |
| 21:10.00 | wazd_ | I came up with the idea to move the system to the 30gb partition and make a small FAT partition with autorun to install EXT drivers for windows |
| 21:10.14 | wazd_ | am I crazy? |
| 21:10.41 | Stskeeps | wazd_: no, except emmc is for some reason slower |
| 21:10.45 | Stskeeps | cloning happened on n8x0 too |
| 21:11.22 | wazd_ | is it that slower? :) |
| 21:11.24 | chem|st | wazd_: no that is what I will do, well not that way but some alike |
| 21:11.54 | chem|st | wazd_: yes its that slower |
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| 21:12.50 | chem|st | as I dont need vfat I wont have one |
| 21:13.05 | RST38h | wazd: Have to admit I do not like the two-sided look |
| 21:13.23 | chem|st | for everyone else I can just send an email with a link to the windows drivers... |
| 21:13.28 | RST38h | wazd: Something does not click: I do not perceive it as a single square reflecting light |
| 21:13.44 | RST38h | wazd: Looks like two halves, bright and dark |
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| 21:14.24 | wazd_ | RST38h: well, yeah, gloss is too bright, I've changed that already |
| 21:14.56 | cehteh | chem|st: is the camera save on non fat solved? |
| 21:15.20 | chem|st | cehteh: not yet afaik |
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| 21:15.26 | RST38h | wazd: really like the Digital Nature's "concave" button look though, too bad it has got some other problems |
| 21:15.56 | chem|st | cehteh: you remind me that I wanted to buy a wifi sd card... |
| 21:15.58 | wazd_ | RST38h: haven't seen it |
| 21:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | microlith, N810 and N810 WiMAX Edition. |
| 21:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, that MWN logo your work? |
| 21:17.54 | microlith | GeneralAntilles: Ok, so those entries probably don't have any effect on the N900... |
| 21:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | Sygic is horribly slow at responding to trademark issues. |
| 21:18.02 | GeneralAntilles | microlith, no. |
| 21:18.27 | pupnik | rss-glx could be ported |
| 21:20.02 | timeless_mbp | wazd_: the ext? drivers last i checked were fairly risky |
| 21:20.05 | sivang | how do I create a normal user that can sudo on the N900 ? |
| 21:20.09 | timeless_mbp | it'd be one thing if they were fuse based |
| 21:20.12 | sivang | I want to log using SSH |
| 21:20.14 | timeless_mbp | and fuse worked well |
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| 21:20.19 | timeless_mbp | but i'd sooner rely on SMB |
| 21:20.22 | sivang | and I don't want to enable R&D mode |
| 21:20.33 | timeless_mbp | and supply the usb-ethernet driver instead |
| 21:20.54 | timeless_mbp | sivang: err |
| 21:21.01 | timeless_mbp | you can add an ssh key to root |
| 21:21.05 | timeless_mbp | and just ssh to root@ :) |
| 21:21.28 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.41 | timeless_mbp | if you want to add something, just create a file there and run update-sudoers |
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| 21:23.06 | timeless_mbp | pokes RevdKathy in /query |
| 21:23.09 | chem|st | cehteh: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7160 not resolved |
| 21:23.10 | povbot` | Bug 7160: Camera app hardcodes and requires FAT partition |
| 21:23.13 | RevdKathy | Ouch! |
| 21:23.24 | RST38h | Does it? |
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| 21:24.39 | cehteh | thats the most stupid bug i seen so far |
| 21:24.45 | chem|st | yes |
| 21:25.02 | cehteh | dunno what they smoked when doing that wrong |
| 21:25.28 | chem|st | cehteh: I'd like to know who was it and ask him to share?! |
| 21:25.39 | chem|st | ;) |
| 21:25.43 | cehteh | chem|st: nope thats really bad stuff |
| 21:25.58 | pupnik | they were _doing_ something, unlike me |
| 21:26.28 | pupnik | there is a foss camera app btw |
| 21:26.39 | cehteh | neither shrooms nor thc impedes coding that way :P |
| 21:26.41 | chem|st | cehteh: maybe it wasnt smoking, maybe they are from microsoft and tried balmer's experiment again remeber ME? |
| 21:26.58 | cehteh | yeah .. or failed the ballmer-peak |
| 21:27.18 | chem|st | yeah failed it about two bottles |
| 21:27.34 | cehteh | methanole :) |
| 21:28.07 | RST38h | ok, sleep. |
| 21:28.11 | chem|st | who gave them guys a year supply on wiskey would be in...teresting, maybe I could sign up... |
| 21:28.13 | RST38h | this is it |
| 21:28.29 | RST38h | btw, thanks to whoever made BT work better with WiFi on. |
| 21:28.55 | timeless_mbp | cehteh: so um |
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| 21:29.06 | timeless_mbp | we drank the Gnome VFS CoolAid |
| 21:29.22 | timeless_mbp | it says "listen for volume mount notices" "don't write to volumes that aren't mounted" |
| 21:29.26 | timeless_mbp | and other fun stuff |
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| 21:30.52 | cehteh | timeless: but from where comes the limit on fat? |
| 21:31.00 | cehteh | bug in gnome vfs? |
| 21:31.06 | timeless_mbp | i haven't seen a specific fat limit so far |
| 21:31.10 | timeless_mbp | i'm @c9 reading |
| 21:31.31 | pupnik | microb is inserting www. in front of pupnik.de |
| 21:31.38 | pupnik | bad microb |
| 21:31.38 | cehteh | people telling that it cant write to self partitioned devices |
| 21:31.47 | cehteh | i dont have a device currently .. |
| 21:32.00 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: what precisely did you do? |
| 21:32.02 | chem|st | cehteh: oh sent back... |
| 21:32.21 | cehteh | but hey .. there is statfs() and you can make it not to write to the root volume instead the other way around and expect a specific volume |
| 21:32.23 | pupnik | typing http://pupnik.de |
| 21:32.30 | pupnik | works on pc |
| 21:32.50 | pupnik | is this dns hijinks again? |
| 21:33.19 | chem|st | cehteh: I found some fiber selfpatching equipment at a local hardware store for building car stuff, not very expensive though |
| 21:33.27 | pupnik | it is dns hijinks.. sorry |
| 21:33.39 | cehteh | and looks ugly i bet |
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| 21:34.04 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: what's that? |
| 21:34.11 | chem|st | cehteh: white... |
| 21:34.34 | chem|st | from realy fine to known coarse |
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| 21:35.58 | cehteh | btw .. we have a gps which has a slightly milky/ antiglare very hard screen protector foil, i dont know that brand, but i want that for the n900 |
| 21:36.04 | cehteh | anyone knows which ones are these? |
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| 21:36.46 | cehteh | similar surface like non-glare laptop screens, but feels even tougher |
| 21:36.54 | cehteh | (and thinner) |
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| 21:39.04 | xorAxAx | you bought a gps without any name on it? |
| 21:39.06 | xorAxAx | unit |
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| 21:39.43 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, Boxwave is probably the brand you're after. |
| 21:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | But they haven't released a protector for the N900 yet. |
| 21:40.21 | cehteh | xorAxAx: karin got a 2nd hand one as chrismas present .. with a 3rd party screen protector |
| 21:40.49 | xorAxAx | ah, you want to know the brand of the foil |
| 21:40.49 | cehteh | i am very much impressed about the screen protector :) |
| 21:40.52 | cehteh | yes |
| 21:41.17 | cehteh | it feels hard and you can easily swipe with your fingers on it |
| 21:41.27 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Boxwave anti-glare. |
| 21:42.11 | cehteh | ok .. guess i use my used durasec until these become available |
| 21:42.54 | xorAxAx | google goggles for maemo would be cool |
| 21:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody fill this in: http://www.boxwave.com/community/request/index.htm |
| 21:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | Clear-touch |
| 21:43.10 | xorAxAx | do you know it? http://www.google.com/mobile/goggles/ |
| 21:43.53 | cehteh | GeneralAntilles: are these sticky? this one here seems to be very sticky not just slightly adhesive |
| 21:44.13 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, it stays stuck to the screen if that's what you're asking |
| 21:44.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's not like the back's coated in glue, though. |
| 21:44.47 | cehteh | the one on the gps is coated with glue |
| 21:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | wonders why maemo.org is afflicted with a string of awful ISPs. |
| 21:45.12 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: someones skimming the funds! |
| 21:45.14 | red | http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ |
| 21:45.16 | cehteh | the durasec was quite hard to peel off btw |
| 21:45.26 | red | that with accelerometer |
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| 21:47.26 | arpwatch | did xchat finally make it into extras, or is it only on the extras-mirror? |
| 21:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, is that a desirable feature? |
| 21:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | I like ones that aren't impossible to remove so they can be reapplied as dirt and dust creeps in under the sides. |
| 21:47.57 | RevdKathy | yeahm xchat made it to extras so I could update it - just as the repos went down :( |
| 21:48.09 | cehteh | GeneralAntilles: well something inbetween .. should not accidentally peel off at least |
| 21:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | red, nauseating. |
| 21:48.40 | RevdKathy | ok, Goodnight all :) |
| 21:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.00 | frals | gnite RevdKathy |
| 21:49.38 | xorAxAx | i applied a screen protector but a lot of air bubbles remained |
| 21:49.42 | xorAxAx | what did i do wrong? |
| 21:49.51 | xorAxAx | i was annoyed and removed it and threw it away |
| 21:49.51 | cehteh | depends |
| 21:49.57 | GeneralAntilles | xorAxAx, depends on the brand. |
| 21:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | Boxwave provides a little plastic widget to push all of the bubbles out. |
| 21:50.11 | cehteh | for mine it was the same and settles within 2-3 days like a 2nd skin |
| 21:50.21 | cehteh | durasec |
| 21:50.28 | romano2k | what are the best brands? |
| 21:50.39 | cehteh | depends on your preference |
| 21:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Screen_protector |
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| 21:50.49 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I really like Boxwave. |
| 21:50.51 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: if the bubbles are just bubbles - then they can dissapear in a day or three |
| 21:50.57 | cehteh | some very good protecting ones have some rubbery feel |
| 21:51.06 | xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: i should have known that :) |
| 21:51.17 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: diffusion |
| 21:51.17 | user__ | is there a way I can see how much data I've used so far on my N900? |
| 21:51.44 | SpeedEvil | user__: settings -> phone or something - has phone data counters for the phone connection |
| 21:51.50 | cehteh | GeneralAntilles: you are right .. i just tried, the one on this gps has no glue but sticks very well |
| 21:52.51 | cehteh | so i think boxware anti-glare will be my favorite |
| 21:52.57 | Jeff91 | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 21:54.35 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa / GeneralAntilles : https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Images%20and%20Camera |
| 21:54.51 | timeless_mbp | can anyone argue that the default assignee is not wrong for Camera? |
| 21:55.05 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yes; MWkN logo is my own work |
| 21:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, no. |
| 21:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I like the n. ;) |
| 21:55.25 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Ta. GIMP FTW |
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| 21:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, "Internet Tablet" isn't a part of the Nokia brand anymore. |
| 21:55.40 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Once I realised variants of 'mwn' were taken, I had to expand it. Hence the temporary "k" |
| 21:56.05 | xorAxAx | woah, at first glance i thought my screen is broken |
| 21:56.10 | xorAxAx | but its just braek |
| 21:56.18 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: A hang over from the N8x0 days |
| 21:56.26 | SpeedEvil | braek is silly. |
| 21:56.38 | SpeedEvil | braek should be packaged witn n900fly |
| 21:56.40 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles / Jaffa : oh, i know |
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| 21:57.04 | Jaffa | Bah, council@maemo.org email is still not being delivered. |
| 21:57.06 | romano2k | thank you cehteh |
| 21:57.14 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Monday, I suppose. |
| 21:57.28 | cehteh | xorAxAx: what brand of screen protector do you have? |
| 21:57.29 | xorAxAx | n900fly was secretly developed by nokia to increase sales |
| 21:57.33 | romano2k | what about Brando and Exim ? |
| 21:57.35 | xorAxAx | cehteh: a cheap noname one |
| 21:58.07 | cehteh | for all other devices i own i made good success with self adhesive cold laminating foil |
| 21:58.31 | xorAxAx | cehteh: i chose not to use one |
| 21:58.46 | romano2k | repositories still down right? |
| 21:59.05 | b-man[webos] | yup |
| 21:59.59 | Stskeeps | Proposal: Project management for maemo.org: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=478721 |
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| 22:01.15 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at the bug template. |
| 22:01.35 | GeneralAntilles | Love it when people fill in 2 of the 3 steps to reproduce then leave a blank 3. |
| 22:02.13 | frals | Stskeeps: sounds pretty good |
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| 22:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody with a lot of background in small lipolymer batteries want to input on bug #8163? |
| 22:03.51 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8163 battery charge level growing up |
| 22:04.47 | Stskeeps | frals: it's a kinda complex issue but we've reached a size that we will have to have some degree of 'management' going on or we'd keel over :P |
| 22:04.58 | Stskeeps | (read: not people controlling other people, but coordination) |
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| 22:05.20 | frals | Stskeeps: yes, some problems would benefit of more coordination for sure |
| 22:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | did his 5-a-day. |
| 22:06.09 | johnq | repository.maemo.org is down again? |
| 22:06.59 | Shrik3_ | was it up at some point? |
| 22:07.04 | Shrik3_ | It's been down since friday |
| 22:07.05 | MaemohammadAG | lol |
| 22:07.10 | johnq | oh |
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| 22:07.23 | frals | Stskeeps: i think the problem is not as much of a software as those small projects usually just needs a decent process to work with |
| 22:07.26 | MaemohammadAG | angrybirds level pack is up again, you can install it using apt-get |
| 22:07.26 | johnq | whose resposibility is that? |
| 22:07.31 | MaemohammadAG | nokia fails sometimes |
| 22:07.39 | MaemohammadAG | johnq, they're moving servers |
| 22:07.44 | MaemohammadAG | or changing ISPs |
| 22:07.54 | johnq | and why does this produce outages? |
| 22:08.02 | frals | (and there I refreshed the thread and saw Jaffa posting pretty much that :D) |
| 22:08.12 | MaemohammadAG | cause it's a weekend and they don't rush things |
| 22:08.16 | xorAxAx | MaemohammadAG: is it up? i cannot see it |
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| 22:08.29 | MaemohammadAG | on ovi yes |
| 22:08.39 | xorAxAx | but apt-cache doesnt find it :) |
| 22:08.40 | MaemohammadAG | cause apt-cache search shows it up |
| 22:08.40 | johnq | do they think the community works on weekdays? |
| 22:08.42 | Jaffa | frals: "great minds/fools" springs to mind |
| 22:08.45 | MaemohammadAG | lol |
| 22:08.49 | johnq | where can I complain? |
| 22:08.55 | xorAxAx | MaemohammadAG: doesnt work for me |
| 22:08.58 | xorAxAx | i only see angrybirds |
| 22:09.01 | MaemohammadAG | xorAxAx, apt-get update |
| 22:09.05 | xorAxAx | did that |
| 22:09.05 | frals | Jaffa: :) |
| 22:09.05 | johnq | I mean: where can I complain so that the situation gets better? ;-) |
| 22:09.11 | MaemohammadAG | angrybirds-levelpack1 - Extra levels to Angry Birds |
| 22:09.26 | Shrik3 | johnq: there's a bunch of threads on the maemo.org forums |
| 22:09.31 | MaemohammadAG | xorAxAx, it shows up here |
| 22:09.39 | MaemohammadAG | i'll apt-get update again |
| 22:09.41 | Shrik3 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=478054 |
| 22:09.51 | Jaffa | johnq: The situation is sub-optimal. If you want to complain, direct it at council@maemo.org; whinge on tmo or bottle it up :-) |
| 22:09.53 | xorAxAx | MaemohammadAG: perhaps because its installed on your machine? |
| 22:10.05 | MaemohammadAG | apt-cache shouldn't show it |
| 22:10.11 | MaemohammadAG | dpkg should |
| 22:10.15 | xorAxAx | it shows also installed apps, MaemohammadAG |
| 22:10.19 | MaemohammadAG | i'll uninstall it |
| 22:10.35 | Jaffa | johnq: But I think the general answer is "it's recognised that this is a sub-optimal situation on a number of levels" |
| 22:10.53 | Shrik3 | "sub-optimal" pretty much describes the whole Nokia situation =) |
| 22:10.55 | MaemohammadAG | hope it doesn't erase my save |
| 22:10.55 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: my guess is that it's more the measurement is changing |
| 22:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I can't picture voltage being stable at that charge percentage. |
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| 22:11.30 | johnq | Jaffa: obivously, Nokia is not willing to spend enough money on it, so it is not recognized on as many levels as needed |
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| 22:11.54 | MaemohammadAG | xorAxAx, you're right |
| 22:12.00 | MaemohammadAG | it doesn't show up now |
| 22:12.23 | timeless_mbp | johnq: you can try Nokia Care |
| 22:12.27 | Jaffa | johnq: FUD. Nokia are *investing* in the infrastructure, but unfortunately either the migration has gone slightly wrong OR there's a coincidental timing |
| 22:12.31 | destinal | anyone here working on running palm pre native SDL binaries? (ie commercial games)? |
| 22:12.35 | Jaffa | doesn't know which. |
| 22:12.44 | destinal | is from the webos hacking side of things and heard about it |
| 22:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | destinal, #maemo != #webos |
| 22:13.19 | destinal | GeneralAntilles: duh |
| 22:13.31 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: oh, i must be in the wrong place :) |
| 22:13.52 | blizzow1 | I'm loking at the developer guide at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Getting_started It says at the top that it's Legacy Maemo 5 Documentation. Are there current (eg: not legacy) documentation/tutorials around? |
| 22:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | gets the question now. |
| 22:14.37 | destinal | GeneralAntilles: we have commercial games in binary form on the palm pre and apparently some maemo folks are trying to run them. |
| 22:14.40 | GeneralAntilles | destinal, no, and aren't they DRM protected anyway? |
| 22:14.53 | destinal | GeneralAntilles: nope |
| 22:15.03 | Jaffa | destinal: "apparently"? |
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| 22:15.15 | Jaffa | destinal: Sounds intriguing. |
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| 22:15.55 | timeless_mbp | blizzow: the "official" documentation is hosted by Forum Nokia |
| 22:15.57 | destinal | Jaffa: yeah, they're libsdl1.2 and opengl-es (1.1) based and it should be possible to make support libraries work |
| 22:16.02 | johnq | Jaffa: ok, you are right. Perhaps they are investing enough, only something has gone wrong. |
| 22:16.04 | timeless_mbp | personally, i'd use the maemo.org documentation |
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| 22:16.33 | johnq | Jaffa: Nevertheless, some other incidents have shown that Nokia (or whoever) at least has a really bad information policy. |
| 22:16.40 | destinal | Jaffa: only real issue is that you don't have multitouch on N900 so games that depend on it wouldn't work that well, but they certainly don't _all_ depend on it |
| 22:16.50 | Jaffa | johnq: Of course, there's always the case that *more* investment can prevent problems; but there's a cost/benefit analysis to that - and perhaps things are at a MTBF which is satisfactory. It's just the Time of Failure has been... unfortunate. |
| 22:16.55 | timeless_mbp | johnq: yeah, we should never share any information :) |
| 22:17.00 | blizzow1 | timeless_mbp: okay, is the "legacy" documentation outdated at all? |
| 22:17.08 | timeless_mbp | blizzow1: dunno :) |
| 22:17.13 | timeless_mbp | not worth my time to look |
| 22:17.22 | timeless_mbp | the formats are probably incompatible |
| 22:17.25 | timeless_mbp | sorry |
| 22:17.29 | Jaffa | johnq: Communication about server moves was discussed at the last maemo.org sprint meetings; I refer you to its minutes. |
| 22:18.02 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: how dare you make references to public documents |
| 22:18.07 | johnq | Jaffa: There is always this effect that when you don't know _why_ something does not work, you just blame that big company. |
| 22:18.11 | timeless_mbp | how can people complain about a secret cabal! |
| 22:18.21 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:18.24 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I know. I'm such a bastard. |
| 22:18.40 | timeless_mbp | johnq: oddly, we use the channel topic for this purpose |
| 22:18.42 | Jaffa | Although, I feel remarkably impotent having removed myself from that cabal. Except where I'm not. |
| 22:18.45 | Jaffa | Which is everywhere. |
| 22:18.45 | Jaffa | Oh. |
| 22:18.52 | timeless_mbp | > Repositories and mailing lists temporarily down, see http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork |
| 22:18.56 | johnq | timeless_mbp: why not http://maemo.org/development/ ? |
| 22:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, we know you're still the puppet master behind the curtain. |
| 22:19.19 | GeneralAntilles | "Removed" my ass. |
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| 22:19.33 | Jaffa | would never remove your ass. |
| 22:19.39 | timeless_mbp | johnq: i know that not constantly retopicing the same topic can be considered a poor way to communicate the channel topic |
| 22:19.46 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Except when I want 'em to do things concrete ;-) |
| 22:19.48 | frals | read it the same way as Jaffa, appearently :D |
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| 22:20.02 | johnq | timeless_mbp: what is qaiku.com? This decentralization is just another topic... |
| 22:20.05 | Jaffa | frals: You have a bad mind :) |
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| 22:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | throws a comma in there. |
| 22:20.29 | frals | Jaffa: I blame the many hours spent reading MMS/WSP standards ;) |
| 22:20.31 | timeless_mbp | johnq: quaiku.com is some stupid Finnish default language twitter like stupid stupid thing |
| 22:20.55 | timeless_mbp | offers frals a spell checker for "apparently" |
| 22:21.06 | frals | thank you! |
| 22:21.15 | Jaffa | WTF's happened to https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/January_09#Activity_log ? |
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| 22:22.03 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: it was written in British English? |
| 22:22.29 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: It used to have a repackaged version of the Qaiku feed to look all nice and pretty and accessible. |
| 22:22.38 | frals | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/January_10 like that? |
| 22:22.45 | Jaffa | frals: Ah yeah. |
| 22:22.52 | Jaffa | Fuck. Embarassing email sent :) |
| 22:23.03 | frals | :D |
| 22:23.07 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 22:23.13 | timeless_mbp | yay wikis |
| 22:23.31 | timeless_mbp | i originally thought the 9 was a sprint number or day |
| 22:23.37 | timeless_mbp | eventually i wondered if it was a year |
| 22:23.54 | timeless_mbp | this is why years should always have 4 digits |
| 22:23.58 | timeless_mbp | (unless they need 5 or more..) |
| 22:24.02 | Jaffa | johnq: Anyway, if you don't like Qaiku, it's not decentralised. You can track the current work at https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/January_10#Activity_log |
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| 22:25.32 | timeless_mbp | anyone here use any Maemo5 sharing service? |
| 22:25.44 | johnq | Jaffa: It would be really great, if there was a big red banner on http://maemo.org if something like that happens. |
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| 22:26.11 | Jaffa | johnq: I don't disagree |
| 22:26.38 | johnq | and thanks for your time, Jaffa and timeless_mbp. |
| 22:26.40 | xorAxAx | are there mirrors of the repo? |
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| 22:26.49 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: jebba is running one] |
| 22:26.56 | timeless_mbp | you could find it in the irc logs or somewhere |
| 22:27.05 | frals | topic has them |
| 22:27.10 | xorAxAx | http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
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| 22:27.24 | timeless_mbp | frals: oh ... how dare we topic useful information |
| 22:27.36 | timeless_mbp | decries topic abuse |
| 22:27.47 | timeless_mbp | changes the topic to "" |
| 22:27.52 | frals | timeless_mbp: yes, i know, quite unorthodox (sp?) of us |
| 22:28.03 | Noobmonkey | ooo lo alls. x-chat works! havn't used irc in yeaaaaaars!! |
| 22:28.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:28.17 | xorAxAx | does it have a #maemo preseet? :) |
| 22:28.32 | Noobmonkey | no, was hoping it would have!! |
| 22:29.10 | timeless_mbp | wonders how to spell "canceled" "cancelled" :( |
| 22:29.58 | Noobmonkey | can't figure out the xchat menu with my fat thumbs. but looks good so far! |
| 22:30.10 | timeless_mbp | ... bookmarks list |
| 22:30.12 | timeless_mbp | cries |
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| 22:31.06 | xorAxAx | yay, 40028 files and directories currently installed. |
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| 22:31.11 | xorAxAx | who outnumbers me? :) |
| 22:31.21 | Noobmonkey | ? |
| 22:31.34 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.34 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: how do i check? |
| 22:31.40 | SpeedEvil | without stylus |
| 22:31.40 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: install something |
| 22:31.43 | SpeedEvil | but the rest is great |
| 22:31.46 | timeless_mbp | from ham? |
| 22:31.51 | xorAxAx | no, apt-get install |
| 22:31.55 | xorAxAx | then it shows the number |
| 22:31.57 | Noobmonkey | yeah. but still good enough to use |
| 22:32.03 | xorAxAx | i recommend iptables |
| 22:32.15 | xorAxAx | small and useful |
| 22:32.40 | Noobmonkey | iptables? an app? sounds usefull |
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| 22:34.09 | Kamui | anyone finding that wifi stops connecting in 1.1 without rebooting? |
| 22:34.45 | Stskeeps | Kamui: there was a reported bug |
| 22:34.47 | Noobmonkey | nope kamui, but took me 2 days to get wifi working after the update! was a mare! |
| 22:35.37 | Kamui | wow |
| 22:35.46 | Kamui | i did a full reflash to upgrade too |
| 22:36.29 | Noobmonkey | hmmm how much battery will xchat eat if i leave it alive in the background? getting about 12hrs of good usage at the mo... |
| 22:36.34 | timeless_mbp | kamui: there are a handful of bugs which will probably be fixed in a 1.1.1 |
| 22:36.41 | timeless_mbp | which hopefully isn't too far away |
| 22:36.48 | timeless_mbp | i suspect the wifi problem might be amongst them |
| 22:37.05 | timeless_mbp | Noobmonkey: in an active or idle channel? |
| 22:37.07 | Kamui | thats cool, just wondered if it was something with my config or ap |
| 22:37.15 | Kamui | good to know its not just me |
| 22:37.20 | timeless_mbp | kamui: it /could/ be ;-) |
| 22:37.24 | Noobmonkey | yeah. thankful it is working. as my gf lives in a 2g zone. |
| 22:37.25 | timeless_mbp | so try some other APs ;-) |
| 22:37.33 | Kamui | lol |
| 22:37.35 | pupnik | Noobmonkey: what fixed ita. |
| 22:37.36 | Noobmonkey | timeless, this channell |
| 22:37.39 | Kamui | im using wpa2 psk |
| 22:37.54 | Kamui | might downgrade to wpa psk |
| 22:38.08 | Noobmonkey | pupnik, i posted in talk. was a few xterm commands |
| 22:38.10 | timeless_mbp | kamui: my understanding is that power management can entail basestation specific issues |
| 22:38.18 | pupnik | cool beans |
| 22:38.56 | timeless_mbp | looks for someone who cares about HAM strings |
| 22:39.13 | Noobmonkey | mmmmmmmm ham sandwiches... |
| 22:39.22 | woglinde_ | bacon |
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| 22:39.52 | Kamui | timeless im also experiencing aweful battery life. but my understanding is that downgrading is impossible unless i want to turn this thing into an IT only |
| 22:40.06 | Noobmonkey | hehe yeah |
| 22:40.11 | timeless_mbp | Kamui: so... |
| 22:40.17 | timeless_mbp | you can't dowgrade the cellmo |
| 22:40.21 | timeless_mbp | s/dow/down/ |
| 22:40.24 | Kamui | its that age old addage, if it aint broke dont upgrade :) |
| 22:40.26 | Noobmonkey | my battery got a bit better i think |
| 22:40.36 | timeless_mbp | Kamui: nah |
| 22:40.41 | timeless_mbp | this is software, "it's always broken" |
| 22:40.45 | Noobmonkey | lol |
| 22:40.46 | Kamui | lols |
| 22:40.50 | mtd | anyone with an n900 can tell me what apt source provides "python-evolution"? |
| 22:40.55 | timeless_mbp | the key is 3 steps forward, 1 or 2 steps back |
| 22:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | Battery life improved significantly here. |
| 22:41.05 | woglinde_ | mtd repos are down |
| 22:41.06 | Kamui | well its not unbearable. system is definitely snappier |
| 22:41.07 | timeless_mbp | as long as the or is boolean instead of bitwise, you're in good shpe |
| 22:41.15 | timeless_mbp | s/shpe/shape/ |
| 22:41.19 | redeeman | GeneralAntilles: here too |
| 22:41.22 | Kamui | generalantilles, i may reflash then |
| 22:41.28 | mtd | woglinde_: not sure that's my problem, but good to know. I'm getting "Package python-evolution is not available, but is referred to by another package." and "E: Package python-evolution has no installation candidate" |
| 22:41.31 | GeneralAntilles | Tracker is doing some reindexing for some people. |
| 22:41.34 | Kamui | generalantilles, i may reflash then |
| 22:41.38 | Noobmonkey | general, seems to have improved alot in light usage. and not much if i heavily use. |
| 22:41.39 | GeneralAntilles | and I think there may be a Skype/IM bug. |
| 22:41.44 | Kamui | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.48 | timeless_mbp | mtd: presumably you're ignoring the topic about repositories being down? |
| 22:41.56 | timeless_mbp | ... and the alternate mirror |
| 22:42.10 | xorAxAx | wah, the maemo 5 doesnt have a nat module |
| 22:42.12 | redeeman | GeneralAntilles: do you know if its possible to make tracker ignore some specified directories? |
| 22:42.21 | Kamui | yes |
| 22:42.24 | mtd | timeless_mbp: yes, because I don't see the relevance. The cached data is wrong. Presumably this hasn't been fixed since the repos went down. |
| 22:42.27 | Kamui | redeeman |
| 22:42.28 | timeless_mbp | redeeman: certainly possible |
| 22:42.37 | Noobmonkey | good idea on the alt mirror. would be grat if it worked out of the box with no user input so to speak |
| 22:42.40 | redeeman | im guessing it just has a configuration file? |
| 22:42.45 | mtd | timeless_mbp: of course it's possible, and would be great. I thanked woglinde_ for pointing the fact out to me. |
| 22:42.50 | Kamui | there is a file in .tracker for that |
| 22:42.55 | redeeman | excellent |
| 22:43.27 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg or something |
| 22:43.28 | redeeman | its really annoying me, in my documents folder i have some saved webpages, and ofc those have images, which are flooding the image viewer |
| 22:43.55 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: howeer - I have added a dir to the exclude list - and it's not taking notice |
| 22:44.02 | redeeman | ugh |
| 22:44.21 | Kamui | speedevil: gotta rerun the indexer |
| 22:44.27 | Jaffa | beds. |
| 22:44.34 | Kamui | then it removes indexed exclusions |
| 22:44.46 | Noobmonkey | right me offski. hi n bye alls. |
| 22:44.46 | xorAxAx | BT tethering is slow, there is no nat module ... whats the recommended way to get a notebook into the net using the n900? |
| 22:45.03 | SpeedEvil | Kamui: I rebooted - mounted a fs on the excluded mountpoint - and it started indexing |
| 22:45.09 | redeeman | xorAxAx: do you use PAN or DUN tethering? |
| 22:45.15 | Kamui | zoinks! |
| 22:45.19 | timeless_mbp | timeless@espejo:/var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle$ zgrep python-evolution Contents-armel.gz |
| 22:45.20 | redeeman | SpeedEvil: it probably didn't do a full reindex |
| 22:45.21 | xorAxAx | redeeman: DUN |
| 22:45.24 | timeless_mbp | usr/share/evolution-python/defs/ebook.defs python/python-evolution |
| 22:45.28 | xorAxAx | redeeman: slow because BT is slow |
| 22:45.38 | Kamui | till get the command going to my desktop |
| 22:45.46 | xorAxAx | PAN would fail because of the missing nat module as well, nor? |
| 22:45.51 | redeeman | yes |
| 22:45.55 | redeeman | that's why i was wondering :) |
| 22:46.04 | redeeman | perhaps you were going it with routes or something |
| 22:46.08 | redeeman | or some weird way |
| 22:46.44 | xorAxAx | so the answer is "no method is supported, the ones available suck"? |
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| 22:46.47 | timeless_mbp | timeless@espejo:/var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel$ zgrep python-evolution Packages.gz |
| 22:46.47 | timeless_mbp | Package: python-evolution |
| 22:46.48 | timeless_mbp | Filename: pool/fremantle/free/p/python-evolution/python-evolution_0.0.4-maemo1_armel.deb |
| 22:46.49 | xorAxAx | thats bad |
| 22:46.59 | pupnik | it is time for bed. how do i shut off cell radio so i dont microwave my brain while listening to n900: |
| 22:47.17 | timeless_mbp | mtd: that seems to indicate the file exists... |
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| 22:47.41 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, it doesn't work like that. |
| 22:48.13 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 22:48.15 | timeless_mbp | grumble |
| 22:48.15 | pupnik | no cell tower polling with high power bursts |
| 22:48.41 | cehteh | pupnik: there is a app for the powerbutton menu wich lets you enable/disable cell |
| 22:48.46 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: you can install the thing that lets you turn off your cell radio |
| 22:49.00 | timeless_mbp | and my version is mod'd to use localized strings |
| 22:49.16 | mtd | timeless_mbp: yes, it does...evidently the answe to my questions "what apt source provides python-evolution?" is "extras-devel". So since I don't have that source set up, I can now a) find the package that isn't in extras-devel that requires it; and b) configure extras-devel :). |
| 22:49.21 | pupnik | ahh finally ty |
| 22:49.39 | timeless_mbp | cellular modem controls buttons |
| 22:49.51 | timeless_mbp | mtd: i'm having trouble figuring out where that .deb itself is |
| 22:49.56 | timeless_mbp | because i'm tired |
| 22:50.04 | cehteh | or nudge xorAxAx to help me with the profile switcher :) |
| 22:50.12 | timeless_mbp | roughly speaking though, i have "raw repo" access |
| 22:50.19 | xorAxAx | cehteh: btw, what is a profile in your terms? |
| 22:50.31 | xorAxAx | the ones in the settings gui? |
| 22:50.42 | cehteh | xorAxAx: not what nokia thinks about profiles but really global :) |
| 22:50.56 | cehteh | this profile in the menu is a subset of that |
| 22:51.09 | mtd | timeless_mbp: sigh, I found it also in extras, so I don't know why apt is not installing it :( http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/p/python-evolution/ |
| 22:51.09 | timeless_mbp | yeah, it exists in extras-devel |
| 22:51.15 | kamui__ | SpeedEvil, not sure if Im too late on this |
| 22:51.22 | kamui__ | add the exclusion to the tracker.cfg file |
| 22:51.29 | kamui__ | then tracker-processes -r |
| 22:51.42 | timeless_mbp | mtd: oh well. ENOTMYPROBLEM :) |
| 22:51.45 | cehteh | well it isnt even a profile because its dynamic in different aspects |
| 22:51.51 | mtd | timeless_mbp: perhaps now this is repos down. |
| 22:51.54 | mtd | timeless_mbp: thanks for looking. |
| 22:51.57 | kamui__ | after about 15 minutes the exluded directories on my device are excluded |
| 22:52.04 | kamui__ | im not sure how this effects mount points though |
| 22:52.17 | xorAxAx | cehteh: how about "gestalt"? :) |
| 22:52.21 | cehteh | xorAxAx: you can do things like "dont turn on gps when you are withing home-wlan" |
| 22:52.40 | kamui__ | Im stilli working on getting the TAB key mapped to shift SPACE |
| 22:52.48 | cehteh | xorAxAx: dunno .. |
| 22:52.51 | mtd | is it OK to have both repository.maemo.org and http://espejo.freemoe.org apt sources enabled? Or should I disable one (set) while using the other (set)? |
| 22:52.55 | timeless_mbp | cehteh: can you do things like "don't use gps while in international roaming"? :) |
| 22:52.58 | cehteh | xorAxAx: dwim? :) |
| 22:53.08 | cehteh | timeless: yes that too |
| 22:53.14 | timeless_mbp | mtd: i'd disable the default one only because you'll waste time causing pain |
| 22:53.25 | mtd | timeless_mbp: fair enough. |
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| 22:53.28 | mtd | timeless_mbp: thx. |
| 22:53.33 | xorAxAx | cehteh: hehe |
| 22:53.36 | timeless_mbp | but in theory no, it's just extra round trips |
| 22:53.41 | timeless_mbp | the one w/ the better set of packages wins on a per package basis |
| 22:53.52 | mtd | timeless_mbp: cool, thanks again. |
| 22:54.10 | xorAxAx | sigh, why does the device ship so few network related modules |
| 22:54.28 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: you mean why did nokia make an end user oriented product? |
| 22:54.35 | cehteh | community kernel ftw |
| 22:54.47 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: each module we add increases the testing surface |
| 22:54.49 | SpeedEvil | kamui: surely a reboot would work |
| 22:54.54 | timeless_mbp | it also increases the attack surface |
| 22:55.01 | timeless_mbp | and the maintenance burden |
| 22:55.02 | SpeedEvil | only loaded modules |
| 22:55.05 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: a nat module would be useful with a gui for it |
| 22:55.15 | xorAxAx | and the space requirements |
| 22:55.20 | timeless_mbp | especially since our kernel ends up being fairly out of date/sync |
| 22:55.28 | cehteh | yeah |
| 22:55.31 | cehteh | community kernel ftw :P |
| 22:55.32 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: you want nokia to write a NAT GUI? |
| 22:55.35 | timeless_mbp | are you nuts? |
| 22:55.53 | timeless_mbp | watched someone try to configure a NAT/VPN system over newyears |
| 22:55.55 | xorAxAx | a feature that says "share connection wlan0 over usb" |
| 22:56.07 | redeeman | lol adding netfilter modules hardly increases the testing/maintenance burden |
| 22:56.17 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: we left that for third party devs to compete on |
| 22:56.31 | xorAxAx | now i know why they are missing - somebody fearing laforge? :) |
| 22:56.35 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: hehe |
| 22:56.36 | timeless_mbp | it's an opportunity for you to value add :) |
| 22:56.39 | cehteh | having AP mode for wlan would be damn cool |
| 22:57.03 | timeless_mbp | sadly, I think technically AP mode might require more hardware than we have |
| 22:57.11 | timeless_mbp | iirc that's discussed in maemo-devel or something |
| 22:57.17 | cehteh | mhm can the dsp do hardware crypto? AES or sometihng to encrypt flash? |
| 22:57.41 | cehteh | timeless_mbp: ohnoes |
| 22:57.45 | timeless_mbp | cehteh: you mean while it's playing an MPEG4 video? |
| 22:58.00 | timeless_mbp | (from disk) |
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| 22:58.16 | cehteh | playing? while encoding and streaming over the net and of course record it to encryted storage :P |
| 22:58.27 | timeless_mbp | ah right |
| 22:58.34 | timeless_mbp | glad to hear you're appropriately greedy |
| 22:58.49 | timeless_mbp | would you like it to make dinner at the same time too? |
| 22:59.07 | xorAxAx | yeah, it should heat up to fry eggs |
| 22:59.08 | cehteh | jk bit really the flash is so slow, and i have some experience with encrypted disks, even doing that on the CPU should be not that much burden |
| 22:59.23 | janszoon | anyone using MfE 2003 yet after 1.1 update......I am :-) |
| 22:59.33 | cehteh | (you rarely do that much bulk io on such a device) |
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| 22:59.46 | xorAxAx | cehteh: i do and its slow |
| 22:59.57 | cehteh | well lack of ram .. |
| 23:00.12 | cehteh | fennec will solve that |
| 23:00.15 | xorAxAx | i had it lately dying from bulk io ... load 16 and /proc/.../sysrq didnt work anymor |
| 23:00.18 | xorAxAx | e |
| 23:00.25 | xorAxAx | cehteh: how? |
| 23:00.27 | SpeedEvil | Can I file bugs against apps in the app store? I want to file a screenshot of angrybirds - with 'that should so have fallen' :) |
| 23:00.36 | cehteh | as soon its released we will see smartphones with 2G ram and 2Ghz dualcores :) |
| 23:00.48 | xorAxAx | ah, yes |
| 23:00.55 | xorAxAx | the intel scheme |
| 23:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, no bugtracker for Ovi stuff as far as I'm aware. |
| 23:02.21 | timeless_mbp | there's an internal bug tracker |
| 23:02.31 | timeless_mbp | but it scares me much more than the internal nokia bugzila |
| 23:02.35 | timeless_mbp | s/ila/illa/ |
| 23:03.09 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: why is that? |
| 23:03.12 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: as a lark, i'd probably file it in the misfiled part of bugs.maemo :) |
| 23:03.20 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: no comment |
| 23:03.29 | timeless_mbp | just trust me, there's scary, scarier, and that. |
| 23:03.43 | xorAxAx | because of the setup? or the content? |
| 23:04.03 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 23:04.07 | xorAxAx | hehe |
| 23:04.34 | xorAxAx | let me guess, they tried to implement business workflows that were required by the customer? :) |
| 23:04.51 | timeless_mbp | i really didn't and don't want to think about it |
| 23:05.40 | ignacius | I'm trying to open a new browser window programatically using qt dbus |
| 23:05.46 | ignacius | I have this piece of code |
| 23:05.47 | ignacius | http://pastebin.com/d7a5625f0 |
| 23:06.01 | ignacius | but doesn't seem to work |
| 23:06.20 | ignacius | does anybody see something wrong in there? |
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| 23:09.11 | xorAxAx | ah, cool. i can do multiple dial ups with the same chip: |
| 23:09.26 | xorAxAx | first i connect directly from the n900 and then i dial up via tethering |
| 23:10.11 | xorAxAx | now i try to move the tethering part to an ssh connection via usb networking and then i am able to connect to the internet from the laptop via usb cable |
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| 23:13.31 | xorAxAx | doesnt sound that odd? :) |
| 23:13.46 | redeeman | does anyone know what applications in maemo uses the tracker data? is it only mediaplayer/imageviewer? |
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| 23:17.08 | timeless_mbp | camera contributes to it :) |
| 23:17.36 | redeeman | yeah okay |
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| 23:17.57 | redeeman | so its only images/video indexes that are used? |
| 23:18.11 | jophish | on the n900, does the touch sensitive surface extend beyond the screen? |
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| 23:18.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:18.25 | SpeedEvil | on the right-hand edge by 5mm or so |
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| 23:19.07 | redeeman | hmm it would appear to do :D |
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| 23:19.09 | redeeman | didn't notice that before |
| 23:20.00 | grishnav | also on the left, no? |
| 23:20.08 | redeeman | didn't seem like it |
| 23:20.09 | xorAxAx | cehteh: how could i do that? i want to connect ssh n900 pnatd to pppd |
| 23:20.09 | grishnav | that's why the "history" and "cursor emulation" gestures work |
| 23:20.17 | xorAxAx | cehteh: but pppd wants to open a device |
| 23:20.26 | jophish | thanks |
| 23:20.33 | redeeman | grishnav: what? |
| 23:20.42 | cehteh | pnatd? |
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| 23:21.00 | xorAxAx | cehteh: it is a program that behaves like a modem to stdin/stdout |
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| 23:21.19 | cehteh | no idea |
| 23:21.20 | grishnav | redeeman: in the web browser, you activate the history by dragging your finger in from the right. just dragging from the right screen edge doesn't work, you have to start outside the screen. Same with cursor emulation, dragging in from the bottom-left. |
| 23:24.47 | Kamui | well |
| 23:25.07 | Kamui | im going back to pidgin until the conversation plugin bug is resolved |
| 23:26.16 | xorAxAx | cehteh: ah, with notty it should work |
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| 23:27.23 | rd | Does the N900 camera app write the geotags into the jpg image or a separte database? |
| 23:28.00 | Kamui | into the image |
| 23:28.14 | Kamui | its removed if you share and specify otherwise |
| 23:28.19 | SpeedEvil | into the image - badly |
| 23:28.24 | simula_ | heh |
| 23:28.34 | Kamui | penis butter |
| 23:28.43 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 |
| 23:28.44 | povbot` | Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) |
| 23:28.58 | xorAxAx | cehteh: how can i create anonymous sockets in sh? |
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| 23:29.11 | xorAxAx | cehteh: and use them as stdin/stdout in the next line? |
| 23:29.30 | cehteh | no idea :P |
| 23:29.31 | rd | I copied the jpg using ssh onto my linux machine |
| 23:29.41 | rd | exif does show only coordiantes though |
| 23:29.42 | xorAxAx | cehteh: i thought you are a shell magician |
| 23:29.45 | cehteh | doing other stuff and going to bed |
| 23:29.59 | rd | is there a way to read the geotags? |
| 23:30.31 | rd | outside of the N900? |
| 23:31.23 | MaemohammadAG | rd i thought that's how all of them worked |
| 23:31.29 | MaemohammadAG | by adding coordinates |
| 23:31.44 | xorAxAx | ssh n900 >&3 <&4 |
| 23:31.44 | xorAxAx | sudo /usr/sbin/pppd call tmobileusb <&3 >&4 |
| 23:31.53 | xorAxAx | cehteh: that should work, right? good night |
| 23:32.43 | SpeedEvil | rd: exif |
| 23:32.43 | rd | I thought the N900 adds the city name to the jpg |
| 23:32.46 | cehteh | note that redirections are done as the calling user not sudo |
| 23:32.58 | SpeedEvil | rd: anything that reads exif metadata will tell you lat/lon |
| 23:32.59 | MaemohammadAG | rd no device does that afaik |
| 23:32.59 | rd | What ist the point of displaying the city while I am taking the photo? |
| 23:33.11 | rd | http://pastebin.com/m19c52f4d |
| 23:33.15 | rd | shows exif |
| 23:33.15 | SpeedEvil | rd: it's to auto-tag it for flickr et al. |
| 23:33.16 | rd | output |
| 23:33.23 | MaemohammadAG | cause any site like wikimapia will give you the location |
| 23:33.32 | SpeedEvil | rd: so it for example shows up if someone searches for that city |
| 23:34.17 | redeeman | SpeedEvil, kamui: after inspecting the tracker configuration file i think that it is not working properly - it appears to index stuff not specified in there |
| 23:34.23 | MaemohammadAG | checks the coordinates and finds out where rd lives |
| 23:34.25 | MaemohammadAG | :p |
| 23:34.34 | rd | SpeedEvil: is it correct that the city name is not in the exif information, just the lat/lon/alt ? |
| 23:34.44 | SpeedEvil | rd: dunno that - not loooked |
| 23:34.49 | Kamui | redeeman, ivd not looked intgo it since 1.01 |
| 23:34.56 | Kamui | could be a 1.1 bug |
| 23:34.59 | MaemohammadAG | rd, correct |
| 23:35.00 | rd | MaemohammadAG: it will only tell where I took the photo ;-) |
| 23:35.15 | MaemohammadAG | i assume it's close to your house :) |
| 23:35.17 | redeeman | Kamui: it exhibited this behavior before too - for instance, it appears to index the backgrounds that comes bundled etc |
| 23:35.26 | Kamui | yup |
| 23:35.34 | Kamui | but it indexes your home folder |
| 23:35.45 | rd | MaemohammadAG: The assumption is not bad.... |
| 23:35.49 | Kamui | i had to exclude my wallpaper and game folders |
| 23:35.52 | MaemohammadAG | lol |
| 23:36.02 | redeeman | Kamui: the config file doesn't specify the homedir, only a few subdirs |
| 23:36.06 | rd | ....but what is the point of Nokia that it displays me where I am while taking a photo? |
| 23:36.08 | MaemohammadAG | i seem to have a problem, duplicate .folders in MyDocs |
| 23:36.12 | Kamui | otherwise i had an assload of warcraft 2 images in photos app |
| 23:36.16 | MaemohammadAG | only in filemanager |
| 23:36.46 | Kamui | redeeman, might be in a global file, i havent looked much further into t |
| 23:36.53 | Kamui | not since i got it working |
| 23:37.07 | SpeedEvil | rd: in case the position is in error - or to remind you if you want to edit it |
| 23:38.21 | rd | why don't they store it in the jpeg....when they already "paid" for getting the information |
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| 23:38.39 | SpeedEvil | there is no standard field for it I guess |
| 23:38.53 | redeeman | Kamui: no global config files for tracker |
| 23:40.37 | Kamui | well nipples. that kills that theory |
| 23:41.01 | Kamui | gotta be a symlink or something thats not obvious |
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| 23:43.46 | bekoz | such a long list of people and no chatter? |
| 23:45.12 | SmilyOrg | well, it's around midnight in europe |
| 23:45.30 | SmilyOrg | and it's monday :) |
| 23:45.41 | bekoz | IC |
| 23:45.45 | bekoz | I'm in th eUS |
| 23:46.14 | MaemohammadAG | likes the headphone daemon |
| 23:46.17 | bekoz | not sure why this web IRC client put me on a european server |
| 23:46.18 | bekoz | LOLO |
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| 23:47.31 | ShadowJK_ | the servers are connected. same people as if you had been connected to a us or asian server |
| 23:47.49 | bekoz | ok |
| 23:47.51 | MaemohammadAG | headphoned - Pauses the media player when headphones are unplugged |
| 23:48.16 | bekoz | it's strange then that there is no chatter from the people that are awake |
| 23:48.34 | bekoz | or at least should be |
| 23:48.47 | GeneralAntilles | bekoz, this is IRC |
| 23:48.51 | GeneralAntilles | People are often idle. |
| 23:49.04 | bekoz | idle is one thing |
| 23:49.21 | bekoz | with a list this size for no one to be talking is yet another |
| 23:49.25 | MaemohammadAG | lurking is another :P |
| 23:50.12 | bekoz | looks like there mey be some lag also |
| 23:50.46 | SpeedEvil | bekoz: most of these people are in fact down for maintainance. The server at nokia is broken. |
| 23:51.24 | *** join/#maemo MOUD (n=chatzill@77.31.62.80) |
| 23:51.31 | bekoz | yeah I got that earlier trying to down some apps |
| 23:51.37 | MOUD | Hello |
| 23:51.51 | bekoz | I had to use espejo's mirror |
| 23:51.58 | bekoz | was glad to find it too |
| 23:52.00 | bekoz | lol |
| 23:52.02 | ShadowJK_ | most lag originates from people ;) |
| 23:52.13 | bekoz | hey MOUD |
| 23:52.18 | MOUD | :) |
| 23:52.30 | bekoz | True ShadowJK |
| 23:52.32 | MOUD | hello bekoz |
| 23:52.32 | MOUD | how can I watch DivX movies on my n900? |
| 23:53.18 | bekoz | I'm fairly new to my N900 MOUD |
| 23:53.24 | ShadowJK_ | I'm actually at work right now, using xchat on n900 for irc, which I shouldn't be doing being at work :0 |
| 23:53.50 | MOUD | lol |
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| 23:53.57 | MOUD | that's ok bekoz |
| 23:54.02 | MOUD | i just bought mine toda |
| 23:54.11 | smps | MOUD, try n900 integrated media player |
| 23:54.13 | MOUD | *today (sorry for the multi post) |
| 23:54.15 | smps | MOUD, or kmplayer |
| 23:54.30 | MOUD | smps: do you have the links pleaes? |
| 23:54.41 | bekoz | not sur eif you can get some additional decoders for DIVX |
| 23:54.42 | smps | MOUD, try first preinstalled media player |
| 23:55.25 | MOUD | smps: the divx (.avi) file shows on the "Videos" section but no image appears and it can't be played |
| 23:55.31 | bekoz | ShadowJK everyone does it anyhow |
| 23:55.32 | bekoz | lol |
| 23:55.38 | MOUD | it says something about that codec not supported |
| 23:55.53 | smps | huh |
| 23:55.57 | redeeman | Kamui: i made it do as i want by manually removing the documents watch, and then adding MyDocs to nowatch |
| 23:56.02 | redeeman | now it only indexes explicitly listed |
| 23:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | bekoz, you clearly don't have much experience with IRC. ;) |
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| 23:56.50 | ShadowJK_ | i think divx doesn't require any extra codecs |
| 23:57.14 | MaemohammadAG | MOUD, it's happened to me a lot |
| 23:57.19 | ShadowJK_ | does it play the included 9 trailer ans N900 promo video? |
| 23:57.32 | MaemohammadAG | i think it's the extra-decoders package |
| 23:57.34 | MOUD | yes |
| 23:57.54 | MOUD | *yes it plays the promo video |
| 23:57.59 | bekoz | haven't done it in many years |
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| 23:58.03 | bekoz | why? |
| 23:58.11 | smps | MOUD, do you hear sound of your divx ? |
| 23:58.13 | bekoz | I 'm rysty |
| 23:58.15 | bekoz | lol |
| 23:58.43 | MOUD | smps: no, it doesn't open because the codec is not supported |
| 23:58.53 | ShadowJK_ | what resolution? |
