| 00:02.47 | user_abc | barfoos: k k so i should go and check my apt sources |
| 00:02.51 | pupnik | does a lapdance for the fish |
| 00:02.51 | pupnik | $900...... |
| 00:02.51 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, ah, a science joke... according to our government here, i dont know enough about science to understand that... |
| 00:02.51 | fredrin_ | sweet, gtalk video |
| 00:02.52 | cb22 | fredrin_, yeah, now we just need a sorted front camera |
| 00:02.57 | odin_ | what we all upto this evening ? |
| 00:03.03 | fredrin_ | the n900 should have a virtual cam, where you chan choose the feed, video, image, text, screen, what ever |
| 00:03.18 | cb22 | i dont see that being too hard to do... what with gstreamer and all |
| 00:03.19 | fredrin_ | like manycams on windows |
| 00:03.42 | pupnik | uhsf amazon.de has it for 826.50 USD or 850 CAD |
| 00:04.13 | SpeedEvil | there is a virtual webcam v4l thingy for linux |
| 00:04.15 | SpeedEvil | I forget the name |
| 00:04.16 | cb22 | fredrin_, heck http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-plugins/html/gst-plugins-base-plugins-textoverlay.html should be able to do it right now |
| 00:05.11 | fredrin_ | i know somebody that made an app for linux, http://sourceforge.net/projects/webcamstudio/ but waaaaay to bloated and java |
| 00:05.20 | pupnik | http://www.amazon.co.uk/GreyMobiles-Clear-Crystal-Skin-Nokia/dp/B002UFL142/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263600280&sr=8-3 cool n900 case... |
| 00:05.29 | Guest21975 | sooo.... would it be true to say that nobody from Nokia/Maemo has officially confirmed that portrait mode is coming in future? or is this just speculation? |
| 00:05.53 | Guest21975 | finding links to such a comment - assuming it exists - is proving difficult... |
| 00:06.23 | fredrin_ | it's a shortcut |
| 00:06.34 | fredrin_ | ctrl+alt+O or something |
| 00:06.45 | fredrin_ | dont have a n900 yet, so not tried |
| 00:06.54 | ml-N900 | ctrl+shift+o |
| 00:06.57 | Guest21975 | no, i mean proper portrait for all apps not the easter egg |
| 00:07.09 | ml-N900 | not all apps |
| 00:07.15 | fredrin_ | depends on the app |
| 00:07.32 | ml-N900 | but no reason it couldn't be put into any new app |
| 00:07.38 | fredrin_ | noo |
| 00:07.41 | fredrin_ | more work maybe |
| 00:07.53 | fredrin_ | always a minus |
| 00:07.57 | Guest21975 | ok maybe not all, but more than we have right now (and not just browser) |
| 00:07.57 | fredrin_ | :D |
| 00:08.05 | ml-N900 | but I'm liking the landscape mode |
| 00:08.07 | ShadowJK_ | and phone |
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| 00:08.23 | fredrin_ | Guest21975: which apps? |
| 00:08.33 | Guest21975 | ml-n900: i know, but some divs coming to the n900 can't seem to grasp it and hanker for portrait mode just like their old phone |
| 00:08.59 | ifreq | any progress with video calls on n900? |
| 00:09.01 | pupnik | it would help sell them, but to people who maybe won't be happy with them |
| 00:09.10 | fredrin_ | they should make apps work in both modes imho |
| 00:09.14 | fredrin_ | :D |
| 00:09.17 | fredrin_ | lazy dev bastards |
| 00:09.18 | pupnik | they is us |
| 00:09.19 | fredrin_ | :P |
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| 00:09.32 | Guest21975 | fredrin: i don't know. there's is a beliefe, not sure where I read it, that portrait mode support has been promised for a future update. i seem to recall it was supposed to come before christmas 2009 |
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| 00:09.45 | pupnik | the PHONE works in portrait mode. |
| 00:09.46 | pupnik | OK |
| 00:09.50 | fredrin_ | Guest21975: update PR1.1 is out |
| 00:10.02 | pupnik | The RADIO does not |
| 00:10.06 | pupnik | The CAMERA does not |
| 00:10.18 | SpeedEvil | The camera does |
| 00:10.18 | ml-N900 | it's like people asking if they can write apps for maemo in visual studio, you can but you will fail to understand your target. |
| 00:10.19 | fredrin_ | that is fail |
| 00:10.24 | pupnik | you are fail |
| 00:10.44 | fredrin_ | as i say, dont have a n900 yet, will be getting it soon, got the money just waiting for delivery |
| 00:10.49 | fredrin_ | pupnik: maybe |
| 00:10.51 | fredrin_ | :P |
| 00:10.52 | pupnik | ml-N900 thanks for a more cogent response |
| 00:11.18 | Guest21975 | yep i know pr1.1 is out. i'm talking about this alleged comment from nokia - does anyone have a link |
| 00:12.07 | fredrin_ | Guest21975: it's your claim, lol |
| 00:12.08 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: please explain how camera app rotates |
| 00:12.08 | Guest21975 | err by the way I'm milhouse my nick has been stuffed up by all the splits and disconnects |
| 00:12.26 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Oh - my mistake - the camera app tags pictures according to accellerometer. |
| 00:12.27 | pupnik | see, now milhouse knows how to really whine about things |
| 00:12.30 | Guest21975 | fredrin - not my claim, it's been posted on the web otherwise i wouldn't have read it in various places. just wondered if anyone knew the source |
| 00:12.32 | pupnik | hi :) |
| 00:12.37 | Guest21975 | pupnik: fcking right |
| 00:12.51 | Guest21975 | :) |
| 00:12.59 | fredrin_ | lol |
| 00:13.13 | Guest21975 | pupnik: but i just want to bitch slap some whiny iphone fanboi first :) |
| 00:13.29 | pupnik | they are easy to catch |
| 00:13.34 | fredrin_ | can i haz kill iPhone app? |
| 00:14.42 | fredrin_ | with some bluetooth/wifi/sms/mms searching/sending, insert mallicous code... |
| 00:15.15 | pupnik | apple does make stylish products |
| 00:15.34 | fredrin_ | and boring |
| 00:15.34 | redeeman | lol stylish |
| 00:16.05 | pupnik | but they reduce the user interface to almost nothing. |
| 00:16.32 | fredrin_ | braincontroll next from apple |
| 00:17.03 | pupnik | so, who are the top 5 people doing game ports now |
| 00:17.21 | pupnik | and emus. i'd say rst38h, flandry, ukki, javispedro, and ...? |
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| 00:17.39 | xorAxAx | Load average: 13.73 11.48 8. |
| 00:17.43 | ShadowJK_ | almost nothing? Like the great gnomish purges? |
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| 00:19.25 | red | minimalistic tends to be usable and fast |
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| 00:21.04 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, mikkov. |
| 00:21.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | just managed to cause infinite reboot irrecoverable on Pr1.1. By simply trying to move the location widget from one desktop to another |
| 00:21.30 | pupnik | ah wormux |
| 00:21.37 | GeneralAntilles | Among others. |
| 00:21.52 | pupnik | ahhh nice battlegweled too |
| 00:22.13 | pupnik | this should go into a post |
| 00:22.58 | ShadowJK_ | red, as long as it does what you want :) |
| 00:22.58 | fredrin_ | DocScrutinizer-8: lol, fail |
| 00:22.58 | red | DocScrutinizer-8: thats not nice |
| 00:22.58 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer-8: had you done anything odd? |
| 00:22.58 | fredrin_ | most likely |
| 00:23.00 | fredrin_ | :P |
| 00:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer-8, cannot reproduce. ;) |
| 00:23.26 | red | ShadowJK_: indeed. apple got the style down 10/10 but ill give only 1 point from customization :p |
| 00:23.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | would anybody know if sshd is up and receptive for loging in to that friggin system, while pin query is shown? |
| 00:23.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: Of course not! |
| 00:24.08 | red | i smell reflash |
| 00:24.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | noooooooo! |
| 00:24.45 | fredrin_ | pretend it's a Neo Freerunner |
| 00:24.56 | ShadowJK_ | red, like that horror example of making the minimalist print dialog that always assumes and mandates A4 size paper ;-) |
| 00:25.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I even can open the systry dropdown. alas ~5sec later screen turns black and led turns white -> reboot |
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| 00:25.49 | red | just talking bout iphone |
| 00:26.12 | red | everything pc related is horrid for my liking |
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| 00:27.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | assumes it's the location widget itself that, on getting rebdered to screen and thus started, somehow kills the system |
| 00:27.25 | fredrin_ | DocScrutinizer-8: is it possible to mount it over usb and edit config files? |
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| 00:27.38 | Guest43140 | hi. what source do i need for mplayer? i have only thr gui in my application catalouge |
| 00:27.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | fredrin_: not afaik |
| 00:27.52 | pillar | what does package maemo-launcher do |
| 00:28.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | fredrin_: I hope to be able to ssh login |
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| 00:29.02 | fredrin_ | yeah, that would be easiest i guess |
| 00:29.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | while stopping the normal crankup of graphical desktop |
| 00:29.30 | fredrin_ | but what's plan B? |
| 00:29.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | reflash? |
| 00:29.46 | fredrin_ | :( |
| 00:29.55 | rabbitear | man I'm suppose to be a Bug-Squasher, and I had this n900 since 24th of December, and zero bugs findings |
| 00:30.02 | red | give kayboard shortcut to kill gui :) |
| 00:30.06 | rabbitear | its fun enough playing tho :) |
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| 00:30.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | or send in to Nokia for repair ;-) |
| 00:30.27 | fredrin_ | heh |
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| 00:31.11 | rabbitear | maybe next week, I'll start trying to actually re-pro bugs or something |
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| 00:32.42 | red | hmm |
| 00:32.42 | rabbitear | I got this pretty good camera case for the n900... really nice, hang keys from etc... any skins available that anyone has experience with? |
| 00:33.05 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nobody polite and willing to confirm you can ssh in during PIN query? please... |
| 00:33.22 | SpeedEvil | I have a not-great ebay cheap clear case |
| 00:33.24 | red | what port does butterfly use? my account gets disconnected at home wifi |
| 00:33.29 | red | due nat |
| 00:34.40 | rabbitear | cool, SpeedEvil I suppose evenutally the cases with make their way onto a market |
| 00:35.09 | SpeedEvil | there is an accessories page off the main n900 page on the wiki |
| 00:35.13 | SpeedEvil | ~accessories |
| 00:35.34 | SpeedEvil | ~satan |
| 00:35.35 | infobot | i guess satan is in a7r's pants |
| 00:36.03 | rabbitear | slipin/out safe case, with a magnet to hold it closed is what I have, hand has like 'fake' mountain climber hook on it... good for keys |
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| 00:36.08 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer-8: testing... |
| 00:37.08 | pupnik | not here |
| 00:37.09 | rabbitear | SpeedEvil: well was just wondering... this camera case works well, 10 backs at (freds, like everything store, in the electronics dept) |
| 00:37.29 | rabbitear | 10 dollars. |
| 00:38.02 | SpeedEvil | you might add it to the wiki - ideally with some pictures. |
| 00:38.10 | SpeedEvil | and where you got it. |
| 00:38.20 | pupnik | there is a nice custom case on amazon.co.uk |
| 00:38.28 | pupnik | ports open |
| 00:38.30 | rabbitear | SpeedEvil: I could do that... |
| 00:38.40 | shinkamui | hi pupnik |
| 00:38.46 | pupnik | hi |
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| 00:39.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | pupnik: 'not here' means no ssh? |
| 00:39.46 | pupnik | couldn't ping device even |
| 00:39.46 | rabbitear | SpeedEvil: its a "Lowepro" case, at a department store (probably anywhere, but could make some pix for u) |
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| 00:40.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | pupnik: OMG. thanks nevertheless |
| 00:40.25 | SpeedEvil | dunno. |
| 00:40.39 | pupnik | now perhaps it would help if i told you i don't autoconnect to network |
| 00:40.49 | SpeedEvil | It can be good to have pics - if yuore looking to buy online |
| 00:40.57 | SpeedEvil | over usb-net? |
| 00:41.06 | SpeedEvil | wifi doesn't come up till the GUI |
| 00:41.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, once during the 30 boots I even managed to get a weird borked microb window that also stopped the reboot prozess |
| 00:41.26 | pupnik | yeah, as indicated even when autoconnecting, by the wifi icon |
| 00:41.29 | pwnguin | http://www.openshareicons.com/ <-- is there any evidence this is needed? |
| 00:41.50 | shinkamui | anyone know if the battery drain issue has been acknowledged by nokia yet |
| 00:41.56 | shinkamui | Im really bummed I upgraded |
| 00:42.07 | SpeedEvil | shinkamui: what battery drain issue? |
| 00:42.13 | SpeedEvil | I see none. |
| 00:42.14 | red | "unable to connect to one or more accounts" and butterfly in error stage yet again. and i opened tcp and udp for the port it uses |
| 00:42.14 | pupnik | so the question behind DocScrutinizer-8's question is, perhaps we could start openssh daemon somewhere earlier in the boot process to help with broken devices... |
| 00:42.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: sure over usbnet |
| 00:42.25 | shinkamui | after 1.01 my battery life dropped almost 30% |
| 00:42.25 | rabbitear | SpeedEvil: actually found it .. at: http://products.lowepro.com/product/Tasca-20,2099,25.htm |
| 00:42.29 | red | it just errors upon 3g to wifi swap |
| 00:42.38 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: that 'early boot' thing witht ee keyb slide open would be a great place |
| 00:42.42 | red | and even if i go back to 3g it wont connect |
| 00:42.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | pupnik: ack. if your finding holds true |
| 00:42.57 | rabbitear | SpeedEvil: there is also a Tasca-30 (I THINK I have the 20, one is wider) |
| 00:43.04 | pwnguin | shinkamui: what's the life now? |
| 00:43.44 | shinkamui | from 8 work hours mostly idle, a little use, I was at 50-60% now after 8 hours with no use im in the red. |
| 00:43.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stskeeps: was it just me or have you banned me on #mer? |
| 00:43.51 | red | reboot -> |
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| 00:44.18 | shinkamui | and by a little use I would respond to xmpp messages, 30-40 |
| 00:44.25 | shinkamui | today I didn't answer a single message |
| 00:44.32 | rabbitear | SpeedEvil: I also use a 'camera hook?' that goes to the lander (sp) on the nokia.. hooks to the other end of the keychain, so the case dangles when using it, but A> its something to grab onto, B> its a light case, soft.. |
| 00:44.50 | rabbitear | camera spring+hook |
| 00:45.01 | SpeedEvil | shinkamui: have you got any thing that may access the net over 3G running? |
| 00:45.21 | thesov | what good is the release of aircrack-ng if you can capture packets? |
| 00:45.28 | shinkamui | SpeedEvil, I don't have 3g, only on gsm, I do have wifi, and I have the xmpp IM connected not using pidgin or xchat |
| 00:45.33 | DangerMaus | rabbitear, how dose it fit in that lowepro? thats one that i was looking at |
| 00:45.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | shinkamui: chat protocols have shitloads of hidden traffic. If you handled all that over UMTS then your findings are quite normal |
| 00:46.03 | SpeedEvil | shinkamui: does top (over ssh) show any non-idle processes? |
| 00:46.03 | pwnguin | shinkamui: is it set to 2.5 then? |
| 00:46.14 | SpeedEvil | shinkamui: If so - may be woreth looking at stracing them |
| 00:46.38 | shinkamui | DocScrutinizer-8, GSM and wifi. Wouldn't argue with you except that Im running the same config, other than possibly a new update to the protocol which might have made it heavier |
| 00:47.04 | shinkamui | SpeedEvil, Ill check, my phone was dead by the time I got home, so its off and charging now |
| 00:47.30 | rabbitear | DangerMaus: it could be the Tasca 30 that I have, not sure, it doesn't say -- I don't have the packaging anymore, but its same size as say an ipod |
| 00:47.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wifi should last for days |
| 00:47.39 | rabbitear | DangerMaus: or iphone .. |
| 00:47.40 | shinkamui | pwnguin, yep |
| 00:47.41 | shinkamui | 2.5 |
| 00:47.55 | DangerMaus | k k |
| 00:48.07 | rabbitear | DangerMaus: I bought it, In the store, so I just opened the case, and see if it fit :) |
| 00:48.20 | odin_ | can some one please run "tracker-status" and tell me if that SIGSEGV for you? thanks |
| 00:48.22 | DangerMaus | yepyep |
| 00:49.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | could someone talk me thru the procedure to ssh to N900 via usb? never did that before |
| 00:49.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so missing IP etc |
| 00:49.16 | odin_ | also how do you get core dumps? I have ulimit -c unlimited set |
| 00:49.54 | rabbitear | DangerMaus: the magnet is cool --- reality its not a hard case, so still possible to crush the screen, but better then no case .. *shurgs* |
| 00:50.08 | rabbitear | DangerMaus: camera shops... |
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| 00:51.05 | DangerMaus | yepyep that whats ive been looking at in compact digicam puches and cases |
| 00:51.34 | DangerMaus | since the 3rd of dec havent found muchin stores |
| 00:51.55 | shinkamui | speedevil |
| 00:51.55 | rabbitear | DangerMaus: well, who wants to zipper anything all the time, this makes the magnet nice... |
| 00:51.56 | DangerMaus | ordered a few lowepro and tamerac pouches havent got them yet |
| 00:51.57 | shinkamui | got my phone up |
| 00:53.06 | DangerMaus | what you kill it? |
| 00:53.43 | rabbitear | DangerMaus: I just didn't do any research, just thought and got lucky.. <--fast shopper in a store .. just saying not-un-happy about it (hehe, okay I'll be quiet about the case:) |
| 00:54.17 | DangerMaus | god i cant stand going itto B&M stores |
| 00:56.32 | rabbitear | I don't like shopping unless they have cool couches or lawn stuff to sit in for awhile |
| 00:56.33 | red | hmm, has haze been removed from repo? |
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| 00:58.34 | pupnik | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31nFVeXtaaL._SS400_.jpg << nice case for n900 |
| 00:59.06 | pupnik | 'Greymobiles Clear Crystal Skin' |
| 00:59.15 | pwnguin | i wonder how much it would cost to just replace the damn housing |
| 00:59.25 | pupnik | 2.49 GBP |
| 00:59.57 | ml-N900 | can someone deal with that tool OrangeBox? |
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| 01:03.00 | odin_ | hmm the N900 backup seems to jumble up into settings.zip both system-wide settings and user settings from /home/user |
| 01:03.14 | odin_ | this is a pain if you only wish to restore setting due to a re-flash |
| 01:03.27 | ShadowJK_ | sounds like it |
| 01:03.45 | ShadowJK_ | Someone else reported some funny shit with backup asking, repeatedly, whether to replace file |
| 01:03.49 | ShadowJK_ | did you encounter that? |
| 01:03.54 | fiferboy_n900 | stskeeps - it looks like the gtk-theme-name in gtkrc just needs to be different |
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| 01:04.10 | fiferboy_n900 | worldcity uses "World City" |
| 01:04.14 | odin_ | not during a backup all went well then |
| 01:04.15 | rabbitear | pupnik: yes, but you never know, until you touch it, use it etc.. |
| 01:04.31 | t7g__ | Can anyone recall what happened to the maemo page that listed the different versions of python libraries installed for diablo and fremantle? |
| 01:06.05 | ShadowJK_ | odin_, I meant during restore |
| 01:06.28 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: I think I have that one - it's OK - it could be a hair tighter - and the finish is poor. |
| 01:06.54 | odin_ | ShadowJK_, Ive not attempted a restore yet |
| 01:07.23 | odin_ | ShadowJK_, as I didn't know exactly what stuff was where (i.e. what does "Settings" section really mean) |
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| 01:07.56 | rabbitear | my mom has a really nice iphone case, that is semi-soft, but the iphone is simpler contruct.. |
| 01:08.46 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: for 3 euro i wouldn't look too closely at the finish |
| 01:09.35 | rabbitear | pupnik: feel :// |
| 01:09.58 | pupnik | yeah well thanks for the info. some people might have been disappointed. |
| 01:09.58 | ShadowJK_ | odin_, if you think the behaviour is wrong, you should file a bug report. |
| 01:10.22 | pupnik | so s/nice/cheap |
| 01:10.27 | rabbitear | well the case that she has, she can drop it, and it will absorb some shock |
| 01:10.31 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: a few moments with some sandpaper resolves many of the issues |
| 01:11.01 | ShadowJK_ | odin_, Let's be realistic, if a cleverer way is found, it wont likely be included in a future Maemo 5 upgrade, and probably not Maemo 6 either, but when we get Maemo 7 and the direct eye implant screen, it'll work perfectly :) |
| 01:11.14 | rabbitear | pupnik: I don't wanna auger with you, but I'd get a case to protect the more expensive device.... |
| 01:12.07 | rabbitear | <-- poor at spelling, anywayz.. |
| 01:12.49 | SpeedEvil | is good at augering. |
| 01:12.55 | SpeedEvil | has a petrol-powered auger. |
| 01:14.02 | odin_ | I got a restore of Settings and Application list as "incomplete" |
| 01:14.13 | odin_ | no access to no log or nuffin |
| 01:14.15 | rabbitear | ya what SpeedEvil said |
| 01:14.20 | pupnik | rabbitear: unfortunately i've already verified the n900's durability and i have to say, "wow". |
| 01:14.34 | SpeedEvil | I've thrown mine across the room. |
| 01:14.43 | SpeedEvil | The above case is slippery. |
| 01:14.56 | rabbitear | pupnik: my keys would scratch it up evenually, --- I always liked to put the cell on the keys |
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| 01:15.43 | rabbitear | somepeople thing its easier to keep track of 3 things.. |
| 01:16.03 | pupnik | i've worn through the raised bars on 'f' and 'j' keys with my sandpaper thumbs already |
| 01:17.22 | rabbitear | those keys are okay, I guess, ... there could always be the onscreen keyboard :/ |
| 01:17.44 | rabbitear | evenually all things do actually brake ... :/ |
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| 01:18.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | usb 1-1: Product: N900 (storage mode) |
| 01:18.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | :-( |
| 01:18.54 | odin_ | Hmm.. I did a restore and now my M900 boots up without either /home/user/MyDocs or /media/mmc1 mounted |
| 01:18.57 | ShadowJK_ | was it switched on? |
| 01:19.18 | rabbitear | I still have two phones (well to devices I'm carring) was wondering if I could get away without a 'phone service' this time, still thinking about it.. (not lost in the woods much) |
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| 01:19.51 | rabbitear | that would easily pay for another nokia... |
| 01:20.32 | xorAxAx | phone service? |
| 01:20.58 | xorAxAx | you mean an insurance? |
| 01:21.11 | rabbitear | no I mean I'm a student |
| 01:21.19 | rabbitear | in a small city.... |
| 01:21.50 | pupnik | hopefully still learning how to spell 'break' |
| 01:21.52 | rabbitear | I know its like crazy for lots of ppls... |
| 01:22.13 | rabbitear | ya that too |
| 01:22.15 | SpeedEvil | where are you rabbitear? |
| 01:22.24 | rabbitear | Anchorage, Alaska.. |
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| 01:23.43 | xorAxAx | are alaskians like depicted in the movie the simpsons? |
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| 01:23.50 | uhsf | pupnik: what are you talkin about, the N900 is 550 on amazon not 850 |
| 01:24.02 | rabbitear | I dunno... haven't seen that one.. |
| 01:24.06 | SpeedEvil | uhsf: $ca? |
| 01:24.07 | rabbitear | xorAxAx.. |
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| 01:24.55 | xorAxAx | rabbitear: in it, they are dumber than the average american :) |
| 01:25.18 | rabbitear | xorAxAx: well claim is really that? |
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| 01:26.22 | uhsf | 550.00 USD |
| 01:26.22 | uhsf | = |
| 01:26.23 | rabbitear | xorAxAx: its the simpons, but ya, there's alot of say 'dumb' things, if you like that kinda thing, its pretty deverified... |
| 01:26.26 | uhsf | 566.940 CAD |
| 01:26.32 | uhsf | not 850 |
| 01:27.05 | pupnik | uhsf: in germany, we pay $850 for a N900 |
| 01:27.12 | rabbitear | xorAxAx: kinda like any place where there is a reason to move in and out of, like college towns/cities, L.A. Boston, Nyc... |
| 01:27.27 | ShadowJK_ | and $1300 for iphone :-) |
| 01:27.33 | rabbitear | xorAxAx: simpons is cool, just haven't watch it in a long time |
| 01:27.51 | pupnik | ShadowJK_: you are kidding me i hope. iphone is *more* expensive? |
| 01:27.59 | rabbitear | xorAxAx: thanks for your question.. |
| 01:28.10 | ShadowJK_ | pupnik, yes it is |
| 01:28.16 | uhsf | there is no way i'm gonna pay more than 550US for a N900 |
| 01:28.17 | pupnik | asplodes |
| 01:28.38 | ShadowJK_ | pupnik, the 3Gs 32 gigabyte variant |
| 01:28.49 | pupnik | lame |
| 01:29.03 | red | x) |
| 01:29.17 | ShadowJK_ | It's distorted by operators and contracts |
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| 01:29.32 | rabbitear | xorAxAx: everybody CAN have a phone up here actually, for 1 dollar a month, even if your homeless.. |
| 01:29.33 | red | the price u pay for more gigs is like wtf |
| 01:29.36 | xorAxAx | is leeching extras-devel stuff |
| 01:29.40 | xorAxAx | rabbitear: good |
| 01:30.02 | rabbitear | xorAxAx: so you have to buy your own phone tho.. |
| 01:30.14 | red | how does a homeless recharge his phone? |
| 01:30.15 | acidjazz | hmm ctrl+shift+o isnt workin for me |
| 01:30.25 | pupnik | close keyboard before rotating |
| 01:30.31 | red | or who the fuck would call him :D |
| 01:30.36 | xorAxAx | red: crank dynamo |
| 01:30.36 | rabbitear | its kinda crazy if you haven't been here before.. |
| 01:30.51 | ShadowJK_ | It's a bit sad really. Nokia tried to price N900 competitively by being 300 Euro below their competitors at the time of launch, but the operators bake random call minutes and service chargers into their random packages, so you never know who you are paying what :/ |
| 01:31.25 | ShadowJK_ | On the other hand, nokia hasn't been able to meet the demand for N900, so maybe their pricing strategy worked. |
| 01:31.45 | pupnik | hey, that's great |
| 01:32.49 | rabbitear | we try not to make anybody jeallous |
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| 01:35.36 | rabbitear | I don't miss the 554.xx bones that I paid cash for |
| 01:36.18 | red | how do u activate that browser portrait? |
| 01:36.34 | mtnbkr | laughs when he shows someone his N900 and they other person says "Yeah, my phone can do that too..." lol "normal" people just don't get what the N900 is or can do... |
| 01:36.49 | rabbitear | I don't think you do red |
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| 01:37.00 | ShadowJK_ | red, ctrl-shift-o, close keyboard, hold phone upright |
| 01:37.02 | ShadowJK_ | or so I'm told |
| 01:37.06 | ShadowJK_ | I haven't tried it myself |
| 01:37.11 | red | ill try |
| 01:37.18 | red | tried i and p lol |
| 01:37.23 | smps | red, its working i tested it |
| 01:37.33 | rabbitear | mtnbkr: this 3rd day, I hadn't even got to use the phone myself, ppl where, like you have this one.. wait a minute |
| 01:37.35 | asj__ | I swear c-s-o doesn't work, but p did.... |
| 01:37.51 | rabbitear | mtnbkr: like "you are not worthy to have THIS phone" ... in the malls |
| 01:38.08 | ShadowJK_ | lol |
| 01:38.15 | red | cant get it to work |
| 01:38.17 | mtnbkr | lol No one I talk to even has a clue about phones... it's all iPhone this and iPhone that.. |
| 01:38.17 | pupnik | great marketing rabbitear ... Wayne's World "we're not worrrthy!" |
| 01:38.49 | mtnbkr | rabbitear: although when I went into the AT&T store to get a car charger the sales guy knew what the n900 was... :) |
| 01:38.50 | rabbitear | because I was busy with fam, no wifi at the time, didn't actually had been using it -- if that makes sense |
| 01:38.52 | smps | i hate GPS ! |
| 01:38.55 | pupnik | got any avid SD 1.9 brakes lying around mtnbkr ? |
| 01:39.16 | rabbitear | I know mtnbkr |
| 01:39.33 | mtnbkr | pupnik: lol but I have some ORIGINAL Magura Tomac rim hydraulic brakes if yo need them... |
| 01:39.41 | rabbitear | I was just asking for a skin actually... (I did not pull out the phone in the at&t shop).. |
| 01:40.03 | ShadowJK_ | Ignoring my first two phones, I've bought phones based on their feature list and potential for development :/ |
| 01:40.15 | mtnbkr | rabbitear: skin? like screen film? |
| 01:40.33 | ShadowJK_ | And then it was as close as linux I could get, the better :/ |
| 01:40.40 | rabbitear | mtnbkr: (reason trying to get the dollar phone, I don't make all that much money, I am a student here) |
| 01:40.42 | uhsf | maemo updates nokia releases often are they full images for complete reinstall or just patches applied successively? |
| 01:40.55 | red | got it to work now ahh |
| 01:41.03 | rabbitear | mtnbkr: but it is like that ... I see it |
| 01:41.05 | red | so handy for few sites |
| 01:41.07 | ShadowJK_ | uhsf, both |
| 01:41.14 | rabbitear | <be right back if I may> |
| 01:41.59 | ShadowJK_ | uhsf, there are incremental updates that update you to the latest version, and then there are also images of that version if you want to do a complete reinstall, or if the update fails |
| 01:42.10 | rabbitear | or seen it, -- just one more thing -- these days I keep the phone under the table -- like when at sportsbar watching football,brb |
| 01:42.23 | uhsf | good |
| 01:42.33 | ShadowJK_ | "incremental" being quite large, in the sense that there have been 2 updates so far since the release of N900. |
| 01:44.51 | asj__ | beats the maemo repos |
| 01:44.57 | asj__ | get just give me my damn debs |
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| 01:45.40 | rabbitear | by the way, I'm suppose to be bugsquasher but I'm on my 5th beer, and these are true stories, good luck and god spell/speed :) |
| 01:46.29 | rabbitear | moves to newwindow |
| 01:46.35 | ShadowJK_ | Drunken people are a good way to test whether interfaces are usable and intuitive |
| 01:46.40 | mtnbkr | lol |
| 01:47.04 | ShadowJK_ | (assuming they don't play soccer with the device) |
| 01:47.14 | mtnbkr | or spill their drink on it |
| 01:48.08 | asj__ | rabbitear: I find it really easy to write a log of code after 5 beers, but it never compiles and I just go git reset --hard the next day |
| 01:48.16 | smps | ppl anyone noticed few new packages in repos ? |
| 01:51.04 | uhsf | cause of the ovi store? |
| 01:51.09 | woglinde | asj *g* |
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| 01:52.06 | woglinde | ah nice |
| 01:52.14 | woglinde | optify now works |
| 01:52.20 | woglinde | ~hail glom-maintainer |
| 01:52.21 | infobot | ACTION bows down to glom-maintainer and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 01:52.45 | smps | http://pastebin.com/d26fd02ab |
| 01:53.54 | rabbitear | asj__: your worthless after awhile, do not pay attention, better to be angeryfeels more grounded, can't stay for now, peace |
| 01:54.06 | rabbitear | asj__: and thanks |
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| 01:54.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | suuuuuuuuuuuuuper |
| 01:55.14 | pupnik | woglinde: can you give me more info on this 'glom'? |
| 01:55.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I really cant BELIEVE it |
| 01:55.34 | rabbitear | asj__: thats what the undernet is for its 4:53 pm |
| 01:55.56 | asj__ | rabbitear: you've had 5 beers and it's 5pm? |
| 01:55.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | the friggin system boots all the way to wallpaper and systray functional |
| 01:56.26 | mtnbkr | asj__: 1 beer/hour starting at lunch ;) |
| 01:56.39 | asj__ | mtnbkr: he's going to be sore by mignight ;) |
| 01:56.41 | pupnik | sounds like our SQL server admin |
| 01:56.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | still I can't recover from endless boot loop as the system insists in starting some friggin app (widget) that makes BOOM -> reboot |
| 01:57.00 | mtnbkr | pupnik: MS SQL? then I can understand that... ;) |
| 01:57.50 | pupnik | this was back around version 6 |
| 01:58.04 | pupnik | he has a healthier job now |
| 01:58.35 | woglinde | pupnik the maintainer of glom |
| 01:58.46 | asj__ | can anyone fetch anything frmo repos? |
| 01:58.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and due to great policy not to export rootfs nor to stop session init on e.g. a special key pressed I can't edit the widget as 10 sec are too short to ssh in and do anything meaningful |
| 01:58.54 | woglinde | has in his blog how to use maemo-optify with cdbs |
| 01:59.02 | red | god!.fucking retarded sites of the internets! found 5 sites that seem to have kings quest 2 original |
| 01:59.05 | kamui | anyone using qtnx successfully? |
| 01:59.05 | woglinde | or better in his glom package |
| 01:59.11 | woglinde | kamui sorry |
| 01:59.14 | woglinde | dont works yet |
| 01:59.18 | kamui | oh ok |
| 01:59.21 | woglinde | but I am working on it |
| 01:59.21 | red | when i get to download page, every site says no #: available |
| 01:59.26 | kamui | I connect and all, but then it just says bye and dies |
| 01:59.30 | kamui | but thats good to know |
| 01:59.33 | kamui | its in active devel |
| 01:59.34 | pupnik | glom - Database designer and user interface hmm |
| 01:59.37 | kamui | cause I REALLY want it :) |
| 01:59.44 | kamui | who's working on the rDesktop port |
| 01:59.54 | kamui | Im wondering if there's a way to zoom |
| 02:00.18 | kamui | I could probably get away with rdesktop and the xrdp module for X |
| 02:00.25 | pupnik | for me, setting up the nx server correctly is the pita |
| 02:00.26 | xorAxAx | currently debugging catorise |
| 02:00.28 | xorAxAx | does $skip ||= /^Type=(.*)$/i && $1 !~ /^Application$/i; |
| 02:00.36 | xorAxAx | trigger on X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable |
| 02:00.38 | xorAxAx | ...? |
| 02:00.47 | xorAxAx | i think not because there is ^ |
| 02:00.59 | woglinde | kamui but I am focused on navit this weekend |
| 02:01.02 | xorAxAx | but maybe i am too stupid for perl |
| 02:01.46 | pupnik | my perl books are in storage sorry |
| 02:02.00 | bfree | xorAxAx: no, the ^..$ means it only matches the exact string "Application" |
| 02:02.44 | pupnik | xorAxAx: keep going plz :) |
| 02:03.49 | red | whats the default unzip command? |
| 02:04.01 | kamui | woglinde, no rush for me, Im more or less just trying to adjust my workflows around the N900 :) |
| 02:04.12 | kamui | pupnik, you working on anything cool lately? |
| 02:04.23 | kamui | like maybe exult? ;) |
| 02:05.24 | pupnik | imo exult needs UI rework |
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| 02:06.45 | pupnik | i actually played that, and started hating the experience, i did finish a couple of tweaks for stylus-only |
| 02:07.10 | kamui | really pupnik? what kind of work and what tweaks? |
| 02:07.22 | kamui | I played through a bit of exult on my old SL-C3000 |
| 02:07.24 | pupnik | creating savegames, redoing how objects are picked up |
| 02:07.53 | kamui | I believe on the zaurus, there was a right click hotkey |
| 02:08.07 | kamui | to compensate for the obvious lack of 2 buttons |
| 02:08.13 | pupnik | yeah i went down a rabbit hole on that too |
| 02:08.41 | woglinde | which app has a right package uucode ico for n900? |
| 02:08.51 | mtnbkr | wonders what his Zaurus is worth these days... |
| 02:08.53 | asj__ | woglinde: ses maybe |
| 02:09.06 | asj__ | (I followed the directions) |
| 02:09.07 | kamui | pupnik, is that the exult package on your site? I dont remember if that one was missing or not |
| 02:09.35 | pupnik | it's up there |
| 02:09.52 | kamui | on a scale of 1 to 10, what would you rate its current playability |
| 02:09.56 | kamui | from that build |
| 02:10.06 | woglinde | asj hm thanks |
| 02:10.49 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: can you please find out why capsule.desktop (in package capsule) is skipped? i am too stupid for perl |
| 02:11.06 | pupnik | um ... 4-6 |
| 02:11.39 | kamui | you convinced me |
| 02:11.41 | kamui | im gonna try it |
| 02:11.42 | kamui | :) |
| 02:12.04 | pupnik | please do, it really* needs to get done |
| 02:12.27 | pupnik | i need some kind of usb-PATA adapter that can do hot-swap to find my old sources |
| 02:13.00 | pupnik | i had about 170 directories of stuff built/half-built in old scratchbox sdk :( |
| 02:13.12 | kamui | lol |
| 02:13.19 | kamui | mine is starting to build up like that too |
| 02:13.44 | kamui | blender alone had about 12 deps |
| 02:14.32 | red | pupnik: how do i mount my user folder into dosbox |
| 02:14.48 | woglinde | mount c: foomooo |
| 02:14.50 | red | i know how to use and mount to it on pc but not on linux |
| 02:14.51 | pupnik | go for it man, exult (sdl stuff) is way easier |
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| 02:19.23 | pupnik | ugh, why does wget need 1966KB of space |
| 02:19.33 | asj__ | beats his n900, it was using the wrong dns server |
| 02:20.52 | woglinde | pupnik he www stuff isnt easy |
| 02:22.52 | red | dosbox isnt in /opt |
| 02:23.04 | red | sigh |
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| 02:23.48 | red | oh wtf |
| 02:23.53 | red | hidden folders |
| 02:24.07 | red | illogic linux is illogic |
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| 02:24.44 | pupnik | oh kamui please don't make fun of how i played the mp3s |
| 02:24.57 | pupnik | that needs a fix |
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| 02:26.24 | asj__ | is there a known dns issue with pr1.1? |
| 02:26.38 | KenYoung | Could anyone point me to a debian/control file that has the Bugtracker field specified correctly for maemo? I'm getting an error regarding that line when I build my .deb package. |
| 02:27.28 | asj__ | KenYoung: I don't have a Bugtracker: entry |
| 02:28.48 | KenYoung | asj My understanding is that packages submitted to Extras Testing are supposed to specify a bugtracker that way. |
| 02:29.57 | woglinde | asj__ nope |
| 02:30.13 | woglinde | asj__ maybee your dns-provider didnt hit the server movment yet |
| 02:30.19 | asj__ | KenYoung: ah, I'm just doing extras-devel |
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| 02:30.58 | asj__ | woglinde: I force the dns servers since the AP can't be configured to give out valid ones (love AU ISPs), and it didn't apply them |
| 02:31.04 | red | hah nearly woke up gf with leisure suit larrys intro music x) |
| 02:31.12 | KenYoung | asj__, Do you specify a bug tracking system in your .deb package at all? |
| 02:31.27 | asj__ | (as in /var/run/resolv.conf was invalid) |
| 02:35.54 | asj__ | KenYoung: no, I didn't see any docs saying |
| 02:35.57 | asj__ | I should... |
| 02:38.23 | pupnik | red does your dosbox run keyb rover.sys 48 (or something) |
| 02:38.50 | woglinde | hm which was an upstart converted package? |
| 02:39.01 | pupnik | if you need numbers/fn-symbols, it needs a dos layout.sys file for each country keyboard on n900 |
| 02:39.02 | KenYoung | asj__, THe reason I think it is required is on this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist#Blockers in the section titled "Lack of bug reporting database" . |
| 02:39.43 | red | pupnik: no idea |
| 02:40.00 | red | trying to find out a way to enter numbers |
| 02:40.07 | red | need em for larry |
| 02:40.35 | red | ah |
| 02:40.46 | red | well i changed to english layout |
| 02:41.16 | pupnik | you can add your mount and keyb commands to your dosbox config file in /home/user/.dosb??? |
| 02:41.25 | red | u know if any layout has fn working natively |
| 02:41.43 | pupnik | none does. you need rover.sys |
| 02:41.45 | red | added mount stuff there |
| 02:41.50 | red | k |
| 02:42.06 | pupnik | and big props to javisp for figuring that out |
| 02:42.12 | red | ill go read the threads a bit more |
| 02:42.26 | pupnik | and if you need mouse control, you cannot attempt running dosbox at a high cycle number |
| 02:42.55 | pupnik | i think i've spent 30 hours failing on dosbox mouse |
| 02:43.10 | red | larry doesnt need mouse |
| 02:43.21 | pupnik | great music eh :) |
| 02:43.25 | red | i just wanna play -quest games |
| 02:43.31 | pupnik | doo, doo, doo doo-dedoodoot... |
| 02:43.59 | pupnik | sciv / freesci will interpret those games |
| 02:44.10 | red | doot.. do doo do doot dooo |
| 02:44.16 | pupnik | lol |
| 02:44.51 | red | where can i find those rover.sys and where to slap em? |
| 02:45.22 | red | cant access pc atm and looking dor stuff on n900 is tedious |
| 02:48.10 | xorAxAx | http://qik.ly/1E2F |
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| 02:48.34 | red | i think i got it |
| 02:48.38 | red | lucky find |
| 02:49.23 | xorAxAx | http://qik.ly/1E4z |
| 02:50.34 | xorAxAx | is it with sound? |
| 02:50.37 | red | works! |
| 02:50.44 | red | larrytime |
| 02:51.30 | xorAxAx | red: can you test that url? |
| 02:52.11 | yuizy | no sound |
| 02:52.24 | yuizy | ah, yes there is |
| 02:52.27 | yuizy | it's pretty silent |
| 02:53.13 | xorAxAx | ok |
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| 02:54.53 | red | sorry was playing on dosbox |
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| 03:03.40 | xorAxAx | is it possible to reconfigure the camera launch on slide opening? |
| 03:03.46 | xorAxAx | i want to disable it |
| 03:04.25 | xorAxAx | s/slide/cover/ |
| 03:05.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | a good plan |
| 03:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | I want the lens cover to activate the flashlight. |
| 03:06.00 | xorAxAx | yes, good idea |
| 03:06.13 | xorAxAx | but i think i go with the possible solution for now and install camkeyd |
| 03:06.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | replace it with flashlight autostarting the white LED, and showing a screen with a button to start cam/videocam and a slider to adjust LED brightness |
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| 03:06.54 | red | that would be cool |
| 03:07.00 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer-8: do you want to implement it? :) |
| 03:07.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just use the camera button to start the camera. |
| 03:07.14 | red | i use the systray flashlight and camera opening is annohying |
| 03:07.45 | red | test |
| 03:07.57 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 03:08.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | xorAxAx: eventually I might consider implementing that aka augmenting flashlight |
| 03:08.19 | SpeedEvil | I'd prefer the hardware zoom to do flashlight level |
| 03:08.41 | SpeedEvil | open-close-open triggers flashlight |
| 03:08.48 | SpeedEvil | then zoom buttons change the level |
| 03:09.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: not bad either |
| 03:09.23 | SpeedEvil | I don't want to have to unlock to use the flashlight |
| 03:09.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | a way to choose for stillcam or videocam would be nice anyway |
| 03:10.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | flashlight is kinda emergeny function. you want to get it with as less hassle as possible |
| 03:11.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and I wish there was a way to safe all my bookmarks >:-( |
| 03:12.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | or is backup app actually saving bookmarks? sorry can't check as I sent my N900 to infinite boot loop |
| 03:13.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 03:13.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | moo jaffa |
| 03:13.36 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer-8: places.sqlite |
| 03:13.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: huh? |
| 03:13.55 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Will do |
| 03:14.19 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer-8: ~/.mozilla/microb/places.sqlite is where the bookmarks are |
| 03:14.33 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: i went nearly insane putting the debug prints into the code :) |
| 03:15.18 | red | hm |
| 03:15.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: I have *no access* to ~. THANKS NOKIA I can access MyDocs *only* |
| 03:15.37 | red | do the function keys work in dosbox by any chance |
| 03:15.52 | red | gg playing casino in larry on minimum bet lol |
| 03:15.53 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 03:15.54 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 03:15.57 | SpeedEvil | forgot, sorry |
| 03:16.05 | SpeedEvil | umm. |
| 03:16.09 | red | like F1 and so on |
| 03:16.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: thus my question. Did I save my bookmarks when I did a backup with backupapp yesterday? |
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| 03:16.54 | fredrin_ | DocScrutinizer-8: did you fix your problem? |
| 03:16.55 | SpeedEvil | I assume so ... |
| 03:17.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | fredrin_: no way :-( Preparing for reflash |
| 03:17.36 | fredrin_ | :( |
| 03:18.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: could you list for me all the checkbox options of backup app please? |
| 03:19.40 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 03:19.45 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 03:19.53 | SpeedEvil | not at the moment - n900 isn't to hand. |
| 03:20.06 | SpeedEvil | I can confirm that if you tick everything - it does back up bookmarks |
| 03:20.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ok thanks. fair enough |
| 03:20.32 | SpeedEvil | In 'bookmarks.zip' - in the backups dir |
| 03:20.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so REFLASH grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 03:20.45 | SpeedEvil | which contains a bookmarks.xml file somewhere |
| 03:20.54 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 03:20.59 | Flandry | has anyone had a build make it out of the builder since yesterday? |
| 03:21.19 | pupnik | wb flandry. cheers |
| 03:21.34 | Flandry | hi Pupnik :) |
| 03:21.46 | pupnik | i just played through Mass Effect - in many ways an homage to Star Control II |
| 03:21.56 | Flandry | yeah it is, isn't it |
| 03:22.05 | Flandry | i haven't played it yet but it sounds cool |
| 03:22.16 | Flandry | what platform do you play it on? |
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| 03:22.31 | pupnik | except for a couple of catastrophically bad segments, it was one of the most impressive things i've seen |
| 03:22.55 | pupnik | i stuck a seperate drive in this box and suffered through an XP install to play it |
| 03:23.19 | Flandry | ha |
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| 03:23.42 | Flandry | how long does it take to play through? |
| 03:23.55 | pupnik | 14 hours, 16 hours, 12 hours |
| 03:24.01 | pupnik | 3 days ;) |
| 03:24.23 | Flandry | heh |
| 03:24.32 | SpeedEvil | 14+16+12 is under 2. |
| 03:24.45 | pupnik | lol |
| 03:24.48 | Flandry | had to work in there at some point? or no |
| 03:25.01 | pupnik | i do not use stimulants |
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| 03:25.43 | Flandry | i get a good dose of maemo now and then |
| 03:26.52 | pupnik | ok, planet rover physics are idiotic (xboxlike). planets are too uniformly mountainy. (but gorgeous for the most part). many levels are too tunnel-y, lots of 'neat looking' areas that are totally unbelievable, one mission is completely out-of-character filler material |
| 03:27.32 | Flandry | uqm planets are too uniformly flat ;) |
| 03:27.48 | pupnik | SpaceFlight planets were awesome |
| 03:27.51 | rabbitear | a dose |
| 03:27.52 | pupnik | sorry StarFlight |
| 03:28.00 | Flandry | i didn't play that |
| 03:28.05 | Flandry | it's legendary i know |
| 03:28.06 | rabbitear | one dose two dose three dose of maemo |
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| 03:28.10 | pupnik | well it's too crufty to get into now |
| 03:28.15 | Flandry | yeah |
| 03:28.24 | rabbitear | test it |
| 03:28.28 | Flandry | the autobuilder ate my uqm version |
| 03:28.39 | rabbitear | :) |
| 03:28.42 | jX | bloody hell |
| 03:28.43 | jX | ok |
| 03:29.01 | jX | what's the preferred coden and container for a high res video on the n900? |
| 03:29.04 | jX | codec |
| 03:29.08 | Flandry | i uploaded it yesterday and never heard back |
| 03:29.27 | pupnik | yesterday was the switch to new servers, no? |
| 03:29.32 | jX | and the first guy who says "use mplayer to watch videos!" is going to get a stick poked through their esophagus. |
| 03:29.33 | Flandry | no idea jX, but you make quite an entrance |
| 03:29.37 | Flandry | yeah it was |
| 03:29.42 | jX | Flandry: Like Kramer. :) |
| 03:29.42 | Flandry | lol |
| 03:29.55 | pupnik | mplayer is the wrong answer for high res video |
| 03:30.01 | Flandry | use kmplayer... |
| 03:30.04 | Flandry | ;) |
| 03:30.09 | pupnik | ok... where's a stick |
| 03:30.15 | jX | stabs Flandry in the throat with a stick |
| 03:30.16 | mfinkle | anybody notice the volume hardkeys sending keystroke events after upgrading to 1.1? |
| 03:30.30 | Flandry | dies noisily |
| 03:30.36 | jX | nice gurgle, |
| 03:30.40 | jX | that touch was appreciated. |
| 03:30.51 | pupnik | sprays insta-heal on the wound |
| 03:30.53 | jX | pupnik; mplayer is always the wrong answer. |
| 03:30.59 | Flandry | i was trying to show a friend a video i took with the N900 today, showing it off you know, and it froze up |
| 03:31.21 | Flandry | the built in player really has issues |
| 03:31.32 | Flandry | later it kept skipping |
| 03:31.38 | jX | try closeing other apps |
| 03:31.39 | Flandry | i had nothing else open :/ |
| 03:31.42 | jX | it seems very memory sensitive |
| 03:31.45 | jX | really? |
| 03:31.47 | jX | interesting. |
| 03:31.50 | Flandry | yeah |
| 03:31.51 | red | i use kmplayer myself |
| 03:31.56 | Flandry | i blame the crawler |
| 03:32.06 | Flandry | or whatever that nasty media indexer is called |
| 03:32.07 | jX | I blame the myan calendar. |
| 03:32.15 | pupnik | jX: how high-res do you want to go? |
| 03:32.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | lol. was about to curse flashing doesn't work. But now I got the *right* micro usb plug. the one that runs to PC, not to charger :o) |
| 03:32.29 | jX | pupnik: I'm looking to reencode a dvd at full res |
| 03:32.33 | red | 1080! |
| 03:32.36 | jX | since the screen can handle it |
| 03:32.49 | pupnik | so NTSC dvd is 480 lines? |
| 03:32.52 | jX | I mean, hell, the 9 trailed that comes on the unit is bigger |
| 03:33.03 | jX | it'll be 720x478 |
| 03:33.04 | jX | yeah |
| 03:33.34 | pupnik | i scale pal down 480 cause i just don't want to make it scale, but maybe that's not needed |
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| 03:34.08 | pupnik | tablet-encode might be a good search term |
| 03:36.17 | pupnik | LOL DocScrutinizer-8 |
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| 03:38.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | pupnik: actually much less LOL than I thought. Still fails saying "Unable to enumerate USB busses!" |
| 03:38.58 | pupnik | i'm sorry to hear that. flash from a different pc perhaps |
| 03:39.23 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: going to 240 lines is probably more sensible. Unless you're doing TV out |
| 03:39.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer-8: you're |
| 03:39.46 | pupnik | oh i really love the 480. seen enough 240 on 770/n810 |
| 03:39.49 | SpeedEvil | booting it and pressing U? |
| 03:39.56 | jX | SpeedEvil: Why in the name of Festivus would 240 be sensible? |
| 03:40.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: of course |
| 03:40.13 | SpeedEvil | jX: Well - if you watch from a distance of over 30cm |
| 03:40.15 | pupnik | it isn't that much worse, and a lot smaller |
| 03:40.31 | jX | SpeedEvil: No, see, I have normal eyes, I can see the terrible blur of the low res |
| 03:40.41 | jX | I boiught an N900 over an iPhone because of the screen (among other reasons) |
| 03:40.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: what is the feedback to show it's actually flashing? |
| 03:40.48 | jX | the last thing I want to do is put shitty video on it |
| 03:40.56 | SpeedEvil | I don't remember |
| 03:41.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: but there is *some* sort of feedback? |
| 03:41.40 | pupnik | you get lots of feedback |
| 03:41.50 | pupnik | bytes transferred, then other stuff happens |
| 03:42.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | k |
| 03:42.46 | pupnik | what i did was, device off, start flasher, hold u and connect usb |
| 03:43.21 | pupnik | and it worked with a damaged usb-connector too |
| 03:43.44 | thomaz | should i be worried that my n900 is heating up when charging via usb? |
| 03:44.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | not here. best I get is a b&w NOKIA with usb icon upper left and no backlight. And an immediate ~can't enumerate USB buses!" after "...not found, wiating" |
| 03:44.19 | jX | thomaz: How hot, like, VERY hot? |
| 03:44.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | seems I have to rmmod the mass storage |
| 03:44.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~help-update |
| 03:44.39 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, help-update is http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting |
| 03:44.42 | thomaz | jX, not very hot, more like warm |
| 03:44.51 | jX | no, that's normal |
| 03:45.04 | jX | that means it's getting lots of love via USB and it's happy. |
| 03:45.14 | thomaz | jX, hahahah |
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| 03:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/f33bd47c7 |
| 03:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | time to finish: ~0.5sec |
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| 04:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also tried without the --flash-only rootfs |
| 04:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | same result |
| 04:02.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | anybody any hints? |
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| 04:04.29 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 04:04.35 | SpeedEvil | no obvious thoughts - sorry |
| 04:04.51 | SpeedEvil | It was very fast - ~1 min maybe - but not 0.5s |
| 04:04.54 | SpeedEvil | Good luck. |
| 04:04.57 | SpeedEvil | Going to sleep. |
| 04:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | night |
| 04:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and thanks |
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| 04:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | wel lets see.maybe it actually flashed the rottenfs in 0.5s |
| 04:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | nope. still bootloop :-(((( |
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| 04:10.56 | wazd_e63 | yawns |
| 04:11.05 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7917#c2 |
| 04:11.06 | povbot` | Bug 7917: Extreme Lag in Phone UI after 44-1 Update |
| 04:11.32 | wazd_e63 | GeneralAntilles: heya |
| 04:13.49 | KenYoung | When I try to add my public ssh keys to my account on maemo.org, I get the message "this should not happen" . Does anyone know why that message is generated, and how I can avoid it? |
| 04:14.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~lart DocScrutinizer |
| 04:14.40 | infobot | frags DocScrutinizer with his BFG9000 |
| 04:14.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | forgot -f |
| 04:14.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | c&p error |
| 04:15.19 | b-man17 | ~burn |
| 04:15.51 | b-man17 | ~burn himself |
| 04:15.52 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
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| 04:17.41 | asj__ | KenYoung: did you solve your bugtracker problem? |
| 04:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | Yo, wazd_e63. |
| 04:19.36 | KenYoung | asj__, No, not really. I looked on the web, and there are several discussions where people say the tag I was using *should* be used in the debian control file, yet the package builder emits a warning when it sees it. Since it is only a warning, and since the package that gets built installs properly, I've decided to ignore the problem fo now. |
| 04:19.59 | asj__ | KenYoung: yeah warnings are ok, it warns on the icon too |
| 04:20.45 | GeneralAntilles | KenYoung, the QA docs may have something. |
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| 04:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | If not, pick a package in Extras. . . . |
| 04:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | KenYoung, as for the error, site just moved today, so there may be some niggling little things floating around |
| 04:21.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'd recommend filing a bug. |
| 04:21.36 | KenYoung | GeneralAntilles, The QA doc is where I originally saw that tag mentioned. The QA doc makes it sound like that field is *required*. |
| 04:21.54 | GeneralAntilles | KenYoung, it is for Extras. |
| 04:22.20 | KenYoung | GeneralAntilles, But not Extras_devel or Extras_Testing? |
| 04:22.51 | rabbitear | do it yourself |
| 04:24.27 | GeneralAntilles | KenYoung, well, no, -devel and -testing don't have any QA requirements. |
| 04:25.21 | wazd_e63 | Daaaaamn, first cinema opens at 9.30, and now its 7.23 :( |
| 04:25.34 | KenYoung | GeneralAntilles, Is it mandatory that a newly submitted package must first go into -devel, then be officially promoted to -Testing, and then officially promoted to Extras? |
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| 04:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | Well, inasmuch as "officially" can be defined as "voted on by 10 registered members of maemo.org" |
| 04:26.25 | wazd_e63 | What I supposed to do in absolutely unknown city for 3 hours?) |
| 04:26.55 | KenYoung | wazd_e63, Map it for Openstreetmap |
| 04:27.12 | wazd_e63 | KenYoung: meh)) |
| 04:27.35 | KenYoung | GeneralAntilles, So all new packages *must* start out in Extras-devel ? |
| 04:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | wazd_e63, go find a museum? |
| 04:27.41 | wazd_e63 | KenYoung: I don't have proper hardware/software anyway) |
| 04:28.03 | wazd_e63 | GeneralAntilles: 7:30 am :) |
| 04:28.24 | KenYoung | wazd_e63, IHOP |
| 04:29.17 | wazd_e63 | GeneralAntilles: that's the problem :) |
| 04:29.33 | GeneralAntilles | wazd_e63, ah, something outdoors then? |
| 04:30.05 | wazd_e63 | GeneralAntilles: well, yeah, that's the sollution) |
| 04:30.20 | wazd_e63 | GeneralAntilles: just wandering around :) |
| 04:30.57 | wazd_e63 | GeneralAntilles: but there's no excuse for no 24/7 theatres |
| 04:31.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 04:33.23 | bfree | wazd_e63: find somewhere to buy some chalk and do some guerilla street marketing for maemo.org ;-) |
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| 04:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | backup app actually is a convenient way to install a bunch of selected apps and still uncheck a few that aren't intended to be installed |
| 04:40.40 | KenYoung | Is there anyone online who has successfully entered their public keys in their maemo.org account information page? |
| 04:40.55 | rabbitear | no no no |
| 04:41.01 | rabbitear | nobody has KenYoung |
| 04:41.17 | KenYoung | rabbitear, I sure can't |
| 04:41.17 | rabbitear | you have no know about how public keys actually work |
| 04:41.20 | wazd_e63 | you can enter random stuff |
| 04:41.25 | rabbitear | before you can do anything.. |
| 04:41.49 | wazd_e63 | Blahblah will do |
| 04:41.55 | KenYoung | rabbitear, I think I know how public keys work. |
| 04:41.59 | rabbitear | KenYoung: maybe you should of gotten an iphone |
| 04:42.21 | KenYoung | rabbitear, Thanks so much for your helpful advice. |
| 04:42.33 | rabbitear | KenYoung: seriously I haven't |
| 04:42.41 | rabbitear | KenYoung: I was just messing with you |
| 04:42.56 | rabbitear | KenYoung: :) |
| 04:43.04 | wazd_e63 | KenYoung: maemo.org servers are in move now so you can face some weird bugs eventually |
| 04:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | where to buy the pile of 770 from old server farm? |
| 04:43.59 | rabbitear | KenYoung: you must remember that these people are those helpful, and at the EDGE of the maemo... |
| 04:44.05 | KenYoung | rabbitear, I am normally not so thin skinned, but I've been trying to enter the damn keys for a couple of hours. I just get a "this should not happen" error from the maemo.org website, which isn't extra helpful. |
| 04:44.12 | rabbitear | KenYoung: I don't always think they know the correct way. |
| 04:44.38 | wazd_e63 | KenYoung: see my answer above |
| 04:45.01 | rabbitear | KenYoung: I actually say (I mean not you) I just had my n900 since 24th of dec... and I just play |
| 04:45.11 | KenYoung | wazd_e63, THanks. That might be it. Is there a scheduled time for when the move is supposed to be completed? |
| 04:45.35 | rabbitear | KenYoung: eg... I wouldnt care of my stuff was signed or encrypted yet... |
| 04:45.39 | wazd_e63 | KenYoung: well, check again in 6 hours or so |
| 04:46.56 | rabbitear | KenYoung: so some real ones exist |
| 04:47.18 | rabbitear | KenYoung: wazd_e63 is right.... irc, is like avatars... |
| 04:47.29 | Flandry | man the autobuilder is fast now |
| 04:47.32 | rabbitear | (if that makes no since too) |
| 04:47.47 | wazd_e63 | Flandry: and it still hates me) |
| 04:48.01 | Flandry | well, it ate my app yesterday |
| 04:48.12 | rabbitear | *hugs* wazd_e63 for reals |
| 04:48.13 | Flandry | i finally gave up and resubmitted ten minutes ago and it's done |
| 04:48.56 | wazd_e63 | Flandry: it just said to me "I won't upload your tar.gz cause you're a stupid looser, hahaha, cya" |
| 04:49.05 | Flandry | wow |
| 04:49.21 | wazd_e63 | :D |
| 04:49.31 | rabbitear | gone --- with the slackware crowd, that can't understand that you do not understand.... <--- gone |
| 04:49.40 | Flandry | it's a very sophisticated autobuilder obviously |
| 04:50.06 | Flandry | to resort to such insults |
| 04:50.09 | wazd_e63 | Flandry: you bet :D |
| 04:51.48 | wazd_e63 | Are there any community themes in extras yet? |
| 04:52.00 | DocScrutinizer | I *love* coments like 'you are a lOOser' - muhahaha |
| 04:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | comments even ;-) |
| 04:52.25 | Flandry | i dunno but the matrix one is just waiting on kontori's update to theme maker |
| 04:53.07 | wazd_e63 | Ah, ok, then Marina can make it first, buhaha :) |
| 04:53.36 | Flandry | really need a tool to do it automatically |
| 04:53.41 | Flandry | i'm glad he's working on that |
| 04:54.12 | wazd_e63 | well, there are some more tools along with TM |
| 04:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | yeeeeha. back to normal after a hard recovery action |
| 04:54.58 | wazd_e63 | I've used hildon-theme-example + madde as stskeeps sugested |
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| 04:55.37 | orangey | hello all! |
| 04:55.49 | wazd_e63 | Docscrutinizer: I'm far from normal after 8 hours in the train) |
| 04:55.50 | orangey | is there anything like qik that uses more free software? |
| 04:56.07 | orangey | or gives an ogg / wmv / whatever feed instead of flash? |
| 04:56.33 | wazd_e63 | Ok, lets walk around, bbl |
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| 04:57.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | task accomplished :-) |
| 04:57.51 | pronto | thats what she said |
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| 04:58.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? |
| 04:58.56 | pronto | o.o welcome back my love |
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| 05:10.43 | |R | Uhm, how does the file manager access windows shares without samba? :) |
| 05:11.03 | |R | I was at a friend's house and could see the share, though password, i couldn't see anything inside and no where to login... |
| 05:11.11 | |R | passworded |
| 05:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | |R: huh? |
| 05:13.50 | tank-man | he wants to access a shared directory on a windows pc from his NIT file manager |
| 05:14.02 | tank-man | and the share has a password |
| 05:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | you seen a samba share of local WiFi LAN in N900 FM? |
| 05:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 05:15.47 | |R | DocScrutinizer: yep |
| 05:15.51 | |R | go figure! |
| 05:16.19 | |R | you get the device, the memory card and then, shares or something like that |
| 05:16.35 | Jaffa | UPnP perhaps |
| 05:16.37 | Jaffa | Rather than SMB |
| 05:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 05:16.43 | |R | uhm, maybe :) |
| 05:17.09 | Jaffa | Anyway, resleep time whilst catorise_0.0.3 goes through the autobuilder. |
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| 05:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: hmm. here as well. Now that I went thru that recover from bootloop action |
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| 05:22.12 | DangerMaus | hehe |
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| 05:22.33 | DangerMaus | so it is widespread with the bugs comming with the update? |
| 05:24.18 | DangerMaus | *is it |
| 05:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | no idea. |
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| 05:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | update went flawlessly mostly. just had to deinstall a butload of apps to free >42MB in / |
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| 05:38.47 | DangerMaus | heh docScrutinizer been reading bout the issues with needing / space... i think im fine atm dumoped some not optified stuff |
| 05:39.18 | fling | any one wanna hav sex? |
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| 05:41.06 | jX | sure |
| 05:41.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | DangerMaus: hildon AppMan will tell you if spave on / is sufficient when you try to update maemo5 |
| 05:41.27 | jX | I really hope you're a girl fling or you're about to get a shock |
| 05:41.53 | DangerMaus | k |
| 05:42.16 | DangerMaus | fling, go ask Gary |
| 05:42.59 | fling | gary will u bend over |
| 05:47.41 | fling | i just jizzed all over my n900 |
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| 05:48.04 | pronto | :s |
| 05:49.29 | fling | i want to know is it possible to run abiworld on the n900? |
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| 05:51.33 | FlavioFabricio | #forumnokia |
| 05:51.42 | pronto | o.O |
| 05:52.16 | pronto | O.o |
| 05:53.01 | FlavioFabricio | some here is contributor of forum nokia? |
| 05:54.00 | pwnguin | is that like a crappy version of t.m.o |
| 05:54.01 | pwnguin | ? |
| 05:54.06 | |R | what does du -scm /dev/lib/dpkg gives you? 29MB here... |
| 05:54.57 | pwnguin | |R: /dev/lib? |
| 05:55.14 | |R | err |
| 05:55.27 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.42 | pwnguin | 25 |
| 05:55.50 | |R | uhm ok :) |
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| 06:06.13 | microlith | hmm |
| 06:06.19 | microlith | N900 attached to a 32" display is amusing |
| 06:06.27 | |R | bounce time |
| 06:07.06 | Flandry | ffs could *someone* please fix the promotion finally |
| 06:07.16 | microlith | color reproduction is terrible though |
| 06:07.40 | Flandry | Warning: Cannot use a scalar value as an array in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 1094 |
| 06:07.55 | Flandry | gives that error a bajillion times when i try to promote a package |
| 06:09.54 | |R | there should be an optify thingie for locales, 16MB! |
| 06:12.23 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, X-Fade's probably still down for the count for a few more hours. |
| 06:12.46 | Flandry | Yeah i know it's weird hours |
| 06:13.01 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, biggest problem with open source projects. |
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| 06:13.09 | GeneralAntilles | Paid hours and hacking hours never overlap. |
| 06:13.14 | Flandry | I was just overly hopeful that the new servers would fix the promotion weirdness |
| 06:14.08 | SyncA | T.M.O down at the moment? |
| 06:14.12 | Flandry | i keep thinking i've collected all the bugs |
| 06:14.13 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, there are weird config bugs all over the place. |
| 06:14.16 | Flandry | in promotion |
| 06:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, probably something pretty easy to fix. |
| 06:14.22 | Flandry | and then i get a new one |
| 06:14.30 | Flandry | lol |
| 06:16.22 | Flandry | SyncA: seems to be |
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| 06:19.59 | SyncA | at least I found a fix for my problem, the thanks will be for next time then ;-) |
| 06:23.45 | SyncA | bye all |
| 06:24.13 | Flandry | now it's back |
| 06:24.16 | Flandry | magically |
| 06:24.21 | Flandry | oh, he's gone |
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| 06:25.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 06:25.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | drive by asker |
| 06:27.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | is there a mailing list you could register to, to get T.M.O new posts? I hate forum |
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| 06:37.52 | |R | Where does HAM puts the repo that use 15MB ? |
| 06:38.10 | |R | it doesn't seem to be in /var/cache/apt or /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 06:49.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | |R: possibly keeps it in RAM as that is what we have most of, considering swap file size compared to du / |
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| 06:50.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw do you know it's annoying like hell to get your nick on the line? at least on N900 |
| 06:53.00 | rabbitear | I say its open |
| 06:53.13 | rabbitear | agree to just destroy |
| 06:53.18 | rabbitear | nobody else cares |
| 06:55.12 | |R | DocScrutinizer51: haha, get the | char in the bar :-) |
| 06:55.31 | |R | DocScrutinizer51: but, if it's in RAM, then how come you save / space when removing repo? |
| 06:55.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | bar? |
| 06:55.55 | |R | xterm-bar... well i thought you'd be using irssi hehe.. what's the client? :) |
| 06:56.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | repo : dunno |
| 06:56.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | no xterm here |
| 06:56.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | xchat |
| 06:57.08 | |R | :) |
| 06:59.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | and in a magic way all the settings and even custom file in ~/.xchat2 survived the rootfs flashing I had to do 4h ago |
| 06:59.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems rootfs really doesn't mean /home |
| 07:01.04 | |R | nop, /home is the 2GB partition :) |
| 07:01.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | quite convenient to have a click and kick on highlighted msgs in xchat |
| 07:01.52 | |R | ok, the lists are in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 08:24.46 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: ehh.. no |
| 08:25.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: ehh what? :-) howdy! |
| 08:25.35 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: banned you i didnt |
| 08:25.48 | Stskeeps | you on t-dialin |
| 08:25.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | freenode madness |
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| 08:26.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm kinda |
| 08:27.02 | Stskeeps | fixed now |
| 08:27.22 | Stskeeps | there was a ban matching you by accident |
| 08:27.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: I'm just looking into usb networking (like ssh to N900 over usb). Seems I'm missing a few bits. Any comments |
| 08:28.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 08:29.13 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 08:29.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | first of all cdc_ether (which I think is upnlink0) is missing an IP addr |
| 08:30.00 | slonopotamus | pr1.1 stopped playing some mpeg files, says no codec found. |
| 08:31.55 | Stskeeps | mtd: not sure, sorry |
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| 08:38.56 | BluesLee | ping all |
| 08:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | ponggong |
| 08:40.07 | BluesLee | hey Doc |
| 08:40.33 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: saw my ubifs guide btw? |
| 08:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrrr |
| 08:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | remembers a pack of cookies |
| 08:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: yep |
| 08:41.06 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: do you know something about this python-optify package which adds additional mountpoints and doesnt remove them after removing the package? |
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| 08:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | rather short |
| 08:41.24 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: but exact |
| 08:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: nada |
| 08:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: yup. yet have to check if ubitize or what it's called is available for my distro |
| 08:42.29 | Stskeeps | mtd-utils has it |
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| 08:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | no mtd-utils for me :-/ |
| 08:49.50 | Stskeeps | compile on your own then |
| 08:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 08:52.30 | ruskie | hmm odd... the battery meter is showing ~80% full yet if I check using lshal I get 68% |
| 08:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: this night I would have paid a couple of beers for that guy who might have implemented a simple bootmenu script that checks for a special key combination pressed and if it sees that then opens a xterm and stops all further system startup |
| 08:54.31 | ruskie | I doubt you would have xterm so early |
| 08:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: hmm. a shell without xterm then? |
| 08:59.40 | pupnik | checks irc log to see how mu8ch sleep he got |
| 09:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 09:05.48 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, yeah but the keymap would need to be fixed to support the fn keys |
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| 09:10.56 | Stskeeps | ruskie: you really don't have xterm that early |
| 09:10.59 | Stskeeps | err, DocScrutinizer |
| 09:11.03 | Stskeeps | this is way pre X |
| 09:11.20 | Stskeeps | best thing you can get is telnet over usbnet or the likes |
| 09:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | well even that would be handy |
| 09:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | but for now and atm I fail to see any defaults for any usbnet |
| 09:12.17 | Stskeeps | there's support for it in bootmenu but not implement |
| 09:12.26 | Stskeeps | just use community standard |
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| 09:12.34 | Stskeeps | g_ether, 192.168.2.14 for host, 2.15 for device |
| 09:13.06 | pupnik | wiki, howto? |
| 09:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | pc-connectivity offers exactly this for 'network'. alas it fails obviously |
| 09:13.49 | pupnik | because if i edit rx-51 keymap again, i dont want to reflash on screwup |
| 09:13.50 | Stskeeps | well that or g_serial |
| 09:14.18 | pupnik | tried adding pgup,dn,home,end to arrows |
| 09:14.24 | Flandry | lol pupnik |
| 09:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ssh over WiFi works like a charm |
| 09:14.46 | pupnik | not when you get 5 dots |
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| 09:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 09:15.24 | Flandry | about 3 hours here :/ |
| 09:15.35 | pupnik | sleep? |
| 09:15.37 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: grab bootmenu SVN and hack in the support :P |
| 09:15.47 | Flandry | so far |
| 09:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: aah |
| 09:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 09:16.25 | pupnik | Stskeeps: ty. this is a good thing to do |
| 09:17.21 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: there is actually support just not working for n900 |
| 09:17.34 | Stskeeps | as you need to add g_ether module or find a way to use g_nokia |
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| 09:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | thats what I guessed as I thought this is heritage from N810 etc |
| 09:18.10 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | same like usb-host |
| 09:18.38 | Stskeeps | i decided it was more important to get the framework going as it was a jungle on n8x0 |
| 09:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | framework? |
| 09:19.30 | Stskeeps | well, bootmenu stuff |
| 09:19.39 | Stskeeps | it has the ability to be extended to a lot more than being just a bootmenu so |
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| 09:24.53 | pupnik | gets all kinds of bad ideas |
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| 09:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | like dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mtdblk0 ? |
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| 09:28.37 | pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding thanks bigtime to RevDkathy for the handbrake profile! |
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| 09:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | wow. ts-calib has a break key (bs) and a note telling you |
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| 09:40.34 | ruskie | mmm first time testing the fm transmitter... works nice |
| 09:40.51 | ruskie | and I like that it's pulse based... means that even though I'm using xmms2 it still outputs there |
| 09:41.51 | pupnik | german airwaves are a bit noisy for it |
| 09:42.11 | pupnik | what range can you get ruskie |
| 09:42.26 | Trizt | I tried it once and got nothing but statics |
| 09:42.27 | ruskie | no clue |
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| 09:43.13 | Stskeeps | worked for me when close enough to receiver's antenna |
| 09:43.14 | Trizt | qt vs gtk? pro cons in maemo? |
| 09:43.33 | Stskeeps | qt for officially continued development past maemo5 |
| 09:43.55 | Trizt | it's qt4 right? |
| 09:44.23 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 09:45.36 | ruskie | I had to put it to 88.2 else I got a lo tof noise |
| 09:45.38 | ruskie | haven't tried the range though |
| 09:45.49 | Stskeeps | hmm, shell hackers |
| 09:46.01 | Stskeeps | how would be the best way to uppercase first letter in a string? |
| 09:46.06 | Stskeeps | i'm thinking tr and such |
| 09:46.28 | lcuk | ask_maemo.sh |
| 09:48.18 | RST38h | moos |
| 09:48.19 | ruskie | Stskeeps, sed |
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| 09:52.18 | RST38h | Bug #8114 |
| 09:52.19 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8114 Video player volume control desynced from master control |
| 09:52.34 | RST38h | Gentlemen, could I ask you to verify and vote on this bug? =) |
| 09:53.01 | red | 11:37 < pupnik> german airwaves are a bit noisy for it |
| 09:53.03 | Stskeeps | i did get my ears blasted out the other day due to something like that |
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| 09:53.37 | red | Same in Tampere Finland. I actually put my car stereo to near full and went thru the whole FM band with 0.5 ticks and there was no frequencies where I didn't get feedback from radio stations. |
| 09:53.54 | red | Like very small ambient signal talk/music/hissing |
| 09:54.01 | lcuk | red, where is the antenna in your car? |
| 09:54.03 | red | which then translates to buzzing while running the FM transmitter |
| 09:54.15 | lcuk | i can move my radio around the cabin on most channels and override radio |
| 09:54.16 | red | it extends from left A-Pillar |
| 09:54.28 | red | couldnt override any channels |
| 09:54.34 | red | even with N900 at the antenna |
| 09:54.53 | red | im guessing they use more powerful transmitters here, to cover more area (Finland is big) |
| 09:55.47 | thresh | FM TX should not be used to override FM radios |
| 09:55.51 | lcuk | is there some sort of booster app around that i recall seeing, not sure what it does or why or how or if it will eat your firstborn but it might work |
| 09:56.06 | lcuk | thresh, of course it can |
| 09:56.10 | thresh | find a clear frequency, tune both devices to it, and you're done |
| 09:56.12 | lcuk | its fun putting my music over the top |
| 09:56.20 | lcuk | tracy goes mad |
| 09:56.23 | lcuk | :D |
| 09:56.39 | cehteh | you booted the n900 transmitter power too? there is a app for that .. or just some /sys hacking |
| 09:56.42 | red | thresh: if only there were such frequencies |
| 09:56.47 | barfoos | do i have to enable birthdays in the calendar or should they be shown by default when birthdays exist my contacts? my calendar doesnt display the birthdays i entered. (most recent firmware) |
| 09:56.48 | Stskeeps | bangs his head against insane gtk theming issues |
| 09:56.49 | thresh | in two countries i've been with n900 (turkey and russia) signals are just too powerful |
| 09:57.01 | red | id like to find a app to boost the power aswell, but unlikely one exists |
| 09:57.03 | red | or is possible |
| 09:57.05 | thresh | red: you usually need 0.2 range or something |
| 09:57.11 | red | thresh: I tried at the antenna. |
| 09:57.13 | cehteh | red: there is one |
| 09:57.19 | red | literally touching it |
| 09:57.37 | red | cehteh: whats it called? |
| 09:57.51 | cehteh | at least here in germany the transmitter is artifically limited because of regulations, but i suspect thats the case in many countries |
| 09:58.02 | red | ah, sounds plausible |
| 09:58.10 | cehteh | forgot its name maybe its in devl or testing |
| 09:58.16 | red | tradeoff - I guess, is that it eats more cpu |
| 09:58.21 | red | battery* |
| 09:58.39 | cehteh | i have no device currently .. but search tmp there are tipps .. you can just echo 118 >/sys/somewhere |
| 09:58.48 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.01 | cehteh | certainly that too |
| 09:59.01 | pupnik_ | hardly helps for me |
| 09:59.26 | cehteh | well i didnt had any problems with receiving the transmitter and tried with different radios |
| 09:59.46 | pupnik_ | 30 cm max here |
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| 10:00.01 | red | did u try in a car? |
| 10:00.01 | cehteh | you need to find a free frequenncy or at least tune between two frequencies .. and find a good spot to place the device |
| 10:00.07 | cehteh | yes that too |
| 10:00.09 | red | like outside rather than in an apartment |
| 10:00.12 | red | k |
| 10:00.27 | red | I tweaked the frequencies like 30 min @ my car |
| 10:00.43 | cehteh | if the car antenna is on the roof you may have to place the device near the radio or very front under the windschield |
| 10:00.49 | red | wasnt able to find a good one so I just use a 3.5mm to 3.5mm cord at the moment but i dislike having that in my car |
| 10:00.57 | cehteh | and dont connect usb or headphones |
| 10:01.12 | red | no I don't use those :P god a good audio set in the car |
| 10:01.28 | red | and I keep it on the little area under the windshield |
| 10:01.30 | pupnik_ | i found a spot in car that works ok |
| 10:01.32 | red | kinda that or pocket |
| 10:01.44 | red | it works "ok" but theres background hissing and spikes at times |
| 10:01.52 | red | and its very noticeable with good audio kit |
| 10:02.10 | cehteh | when you plug any cable in, it reduces power to satisfy the requirements .. |
| 10:02.15 | red | "FM Boost - a script to boost FM TX to 118" |
| 10:02.16 | cehteh | which is bit overreacting |
| 10:02.18 | red | that it? |
| 10:02.20 | cehteh | yes |
| 10:02.36 | red | ill give it a go next time Im driving |
| 10:02.52 | cehteh | note: using it might be illegal in your country .. i am not liable for this tip :P |
| 10:03.06 | red | like someone cares lol |
| 10:03.10 | red | or monitors |
| 10:03.12 | lcuk | it should boost it to 11 |
| 10:03.23 | ColdFyre | ponies |
| 10:03.26 | red | app said "118" |
| 10:04.16 | Corsac | the thing is, receivers won't go to 118 :/ |
| 10:04.40 | red | ahh |
| 10:04.41 | pupnik_ | thanks, government |
| 10:04.57 | red | the booster is just 88-107 to 88-118? :P |
| 10:06.10 | pupnik_ | got a pack of 2500 mAh AA batts |
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| 10:06.30 | cehteh | someone saied 118 is the max power level |
| 10:06.30 | cehteh | well read the source luke .. the one of the fm transmitter in the kernel of course |
| 10:06.54 | cehteh | 88? |
| 10:06.58 | pupnik_ | could fit 7 of them behind n900 :) |
| 10:07.19 | cehteh | dont confuse frequency with sending power |
| 10:07.31 | red | cehteh: thats what I wanted to make sure |
| 10:07.45 | red | that we were talking about power and not freq =) |
| 10:07.58 | red | SeriesFinale app <3 |
| 10:08.12 | cehteh | actually the frequency can be as low as 76Mhz .. but for legal reasons it starts at 88 |
| 10:08.50 | cehteh | and thats really dangerous to go down .. first: normal radios dont receive that and second these frewquencies are used by police and rescue services |
| 10:09.06 | cehteh | if you use or block them then the'll really go after you |
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| 10:09.29 | pupnik_ | hahaha @ "block" |
| 10:09.30 | cehteh | no point to try to tweak there |
| 10:09.58 | cehteh | well standing next to a police care blocking the freq while your buddy robs the bank on the other side :) |
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| 10:10.32 | red | cehteh: I'd bet the fatsos would have no clue |
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| 10:11.07 | cehteh | here in germany receiving this frequencies is illegal too |
| 10:11.26 | red | ye but like someone can see that you hook up a pirated police radio |
| 10:11.37 | red | countless reporters do that I bet |
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| 10:12.33 | BluesLee | some python packaging experts here? |
| 10:12.39 | cehteh | my father was radio technical and once got a job to make a report for a court finding out if the defendant tweaked his car radio |
| 10:13.11 | Veggen | it's not illegal in Norway. used to be, but it was challenged some years ago, and found legal. |
| 10:13.13 | cehteh | dunno about other countries .. but ago they where quite serious about that here |
| 10:13.31 | red | yeah well that way you can ofcourse see |
| 10:13.36 | cehteh | yeah i once seen a netherlands internet radio which streams amsterdam police radio .. HAHA :P |
| 10:13.40 | red | but to monitor if someone is receiving the frequency is impossible |
| 10:13.48 | pupnik_ | schon G3Zahlt? |
| 10:15.01 | cehteh | red: yes but if you have evidince that he tweaked his radio maybe to circumvent speeding charged by finding out where they hide or assist some other crime that had a big penality |
| 10:16.10 | red | plausible, but unrealistic 99% cases |
| 10:16.12 | Veggen | for some reason, it's legal at home - but not in your car - here. |
| 10:16.20 | red | you need to get caught of something else basicly to make them suspect that |
| 10:16.35 | cehteh | yes |
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| 10:17.26 | Veggen | hmm. confusing. think I'll have to go closer to the source to check specifics. |
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| 10:20.41 | red | ahh, now I updated SeriesFinale with the series I watch and know what and when :) |
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| 10:25.46 | slonopotamus | what is the reasoning behind serving bugzilla via https, btw? |
| 10:26.47 | Stskeeps | so your cookies and passwords aren't caught? |
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| 10:28.04 | slonopotamus | how my bugzie cookie is more important than t.m.o cookie (that isn't served via ssl) |
| 10:28.06 | slonopotamus | ? |
| 10:28.25 | Stskeeps | well. |
| 10:28.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:28.50 | slonopotamus | yep. |
| 10:28.52 | slonopotamus | :P |
| 10:30.39 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, maybe nokia thinks t.m.o content has no value? :) |
| 10:30.52 | Stskeeps | bugs.maemo.org != nokia |
| 10:30.55 | slonopotamus | and isn't worth being protected :P |
| 10:31.21 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, doesn't matter. whoever manages it. |
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| 10:36.59 | RST38h | X-Fade: Here? |
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| 10:51.03 | flux | is it just me, or have there been very few packages upgraded lately in the maemo-extras/maemo-extras-evel? |
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| 10:52.51 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: isn't debian/optify set to 'auto' supposed to make autobuilder optify the thing? |
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| 10:55.17 | LuciusMare | ohai, how filled rootfs bricks my device? |
| 10:56.17 | SpeedEvil | With extreme prejudice! |
| 10:56.24 | SpeedEvil | That would be good actually. |
| 10:56.29 | LuciusMare | i have got 80 and i am afraid i wont boot |
| 10:56.41 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: are you installing through HAM? |
| 10:56.53 | Proteous | or BEEF |
| 10:56.59 | Proteous | sorry |
| 10:57.12 | SpeedEvil | HAM installed fine for me with 50M free |
| 10:57.13 | SpeedEvil | 40 |
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| 10:57.29 | LuciusMare | i dont think so, i dont even know what HAM is |
| 10:57.36 | LuciusMare | default app manager |
| 10:57.46 | wazd_e63 | Reheya maemo |
| 10:57.53 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 10:58.01 | Proteous | reheated hi to you too wazd_e63 |
| 10:58.09 | LuciusMare | and,oh, i meant 80% filled |
| 10:58.14 | Proteous | that's nothing |
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| 10:58.35 | LuciusMare | so no brick? |
| 10:58.40 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: holding ddp device in my hands, trying to resist) |
| 10:58.50 | LuciusMare | and,what is this HAM? |
| 10:59.08 | Proteous | tasty |
| 10:59.26 | LuciusMare | >_> |
| 10:59.32 | Proteous | the app manager |
| 10:59.45 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 11:00.37 | LuciusMare | well, i installed the last app w/ apt-get, because the app manager keeps updating its repos,and i cant afford it on gprs |
| 11:00.59 | Proteous | find some free wifi and do it there :) |
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| 11:01.17 | LuciusMare | hah |
| 11:01.35 | LuciusMare | no free wifi in sight, i am afraid |
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| 11:02.18 | xorAxAx | wazd_e63: hey, did you push the marina package already? |
| 11:03.27 | LuciusMare | aw,shit,man |
| 11:03.45 | LuciusMare | this piece of fbreader keeps freezing, i just reinstgalled it |
| 11:04.12 | LuciusMare | "making list book.please wai-freeezee." |
| 11:05.01 | pupnik_ | xorAxAx: any luck with updating app icons? |
| 11:05.16 | pupnik_ | if i click on "all" i get the whole list |
| 11:05.34 | xorAxAx | pupnik_: well, there is a bug |
| 11:05.39 | xorAxAx | report |
| 11:05.55 | pupnik_ | whats the package called again |
| 11:06.11 | xorAxAx | pupnik_: as long as its not fixed, you can workaround it by calling /opt/catorise/catorise manually |
| 11:06.12 | Jaffa | pupnik_: Catorise |
| 11:06.18 | pupnik_ | i can not find packages in bugtracker btw |
| 11:06.25 | pupnik_ | ty |
| 11:06.35 | Jaffa | pupnik_: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Catorise |
| 11:06.35 | pupnik_ | the bug is known |
| 11:06.46 | Jaffa | is about to upload 0.0.4 with a fix :) |
| 11:07.05 | pupnik_ | sweet |
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| 11:07.38 | RST38h | wazd: Do not resist, just buy the damn thing |
| 11:07.54 | pupnik_ | it is just wonderful to have orted app icons |
| 11:07.58 | lardman|home | what's the damn thing in question? |
| 11:07.59 | pupnik_ | sorted |
| 11:08.36 | Anidel | hi |
| 11:08.41 | RST38h | lardman: n900 |
| 11:08.52 | Anidel | hey lardman .. hi RST38h and Jaffa |
| 11:08.58 | RST38h | moo Anidel |
| 11:09.33 | Anidel | :) |
| 11:09.51 | Jaffa | lardman|home: Catorise? |
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| 11:09.57 | Jaffa | hi Anidel |
| 11:09.57 | lardman|home | hi chaps |
| 11:10.07 | lardman|home | <RST38h> wazd: Do not resist, just buy the damn thing |
| 11:10.29 | lardman|home | Jaffa: but Catorise works nicely, especially since the update and web appearing :) |
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| 11:11.14 | Jaffa | lardman|home: bug 8206 should now be fixed; but bug 8111 is worrying |
| 11:11.16 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 was not found. |
| 11:11.17 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 Catorise creates issues for dbus-activate apps (phone, messaging ui, etc ..) |
| 11:11.30 | Jaffa | 8026 rather |
| 11:12.01 | maxxle | Hello! Since upgrading PR1.1 i can't find mplayer in my reposirotry. Was there any change? I have the maemo-repository for fremantile with free non-free. |
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| 11:13.13 | SpeedEvil | mplayer from my previous installation works - at least for mp3 |
| 11:13.27 | lardman|home | I've not seen problems re 8111 when launching from desktop shortcut |
| 11:13.29 | xorAxAx | RST38h: hi, vgb doesnt show GB and GBC files, only gb and gbc |
| 11:13.34 | xorAxAx | RST38h: can you fix that? :) |
| 11:14.00 | RST38h | xorAxAx: Fix what? |
| 11:14.08 | xorAxAx | RST38h: the file mask for the file open dialog |
| 11:14.08 | lardman|home | ah, triggers issue, rootstrap needs updating |
| 11:14.27 | RST38h | xorAxAx: What is wrong with the file mask? |
| 11:14.28 | maxxle | SpeedEvil: I don't have an mplayer from my previous installation left. The update purged it. |
| 11:14.39 | xorAxAx | RST38h: vgb doesnt show GB and GBC files, only gb and gbc |
| 11:14.39 | RST38h | Oh, the letter case... |
| 11:14.52 | RST38h | xorAxAx: rename your files to have proper extensions. Linux is case-sensitive. |
| 11:14.55 | xorAxAx | my files came from a DOS partition |
| 11:14.58 | xorAxAx | i know |
| 11:15.01 | RST38h | too bad. |
| 11:15.25 | RST38h | But Windows preserves letter case, so this should not be a problem. |
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| 11:16.33 | maxxle | Maybe someone could do a "apt-cache search mplayer" on an upgraded n900 and tell me if there is a package for mplayer. I can see only pulseaudio, kmplayer worldtv99 |
| 11:16.44 | RST38h | "Muscovites complain that the porno movie shown at a huge advertising display in the downtown last night was of extremely low quality" |
| 11:16.56 | RST38h | cackles |
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| 11:17.24 | till- | isnt mplayer part of kmplayer? |
| 11:17.35 | lardman|home | ~curse our toolchain for not supporting FORTRAN therefore making lardman's life difficult having to deal with f2c |
| 11:17.36 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, our toolchain for not supporting FORTRAN therefore making lardman's life difficult having to deal with f2c ! |
| 11:17.40 | maxxle | till-: No. kmplayer ist just a frontend to mplayer imho |
| 11:17.52 | Lynoure | Ever since the latest upgrade, the device asks me now and then what network I want to connect to, when I turn on the display |
| 11:17.53 | pupnik_ | mplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player, N900 version. |
| 11:18.12 | Lynoure | Anything I can do to stop that? I'm not running any network-needy programs. |
| 11:18.38 | till- | i want mencoder on maemo |
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| 11:19.00 | maxxle | pupnik_: Thx. I wonder why I don't have it in my repositories available. Do you have any other repositories: Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates, Ovi, Maemo.org |
| 11:19.08 | RST38h | lardman: 505 IT IS SAID YOU CAN CODE IN FORTRAN |
| 11:19.15 | RST38h | lardman: 515 USING ANY LANGUAGE |
| 11:19.23 | lardman|home | GOTO 505 |
| 11:19.25 | frals | lol |
| 11:20.06 | pupnik_ | Filename: pool/fremantle/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0svn_armel.deb |
| 11:20.16 | SpeedEvil | till-: I've been using it - it comes with mplayer |
| 11:20.19 | pupnik_ | is that -devel? |
| 11:20.48 | till- | really? not on my n800 |
| 11:21.00 | SpeedEvil | till-: using it for transcoding on device - which is silly - but gets 6fps even on biggish files, and encoding video |
| 11:21.04 | pillar | maemo.org repos still down for me from the device.. |
| 11:21.34 | SpeedEvil | mplayer --version says SVN-r30099-4.2.1 |
| 11:22.11 | pupnik_ | there must be a way to get apt-cache to show -devel -testing or whatevah |
| 11:22.20 | maxxle | Hm. I think I should remove the maemo repository and add it again. |
| 11:22.25 | maxxle | I'll have a try! |
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| 11:24.16 | maxxle | Hm. I even can't delete/edit entries in my "Application catalogs" |
| 11:24.28 | maxxle | I'll try to edit it in /etc/sources.list |
| 11:25.11 | pupnik_ | i hope some commercial navi software with traffic updates is in the works |
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| 11:26.34 | maxxle | pupnik_: I hope Ovi Maps 3.0 will be available for n900. I was using i on my 5800XM |
| 11:26.43 | maxxle | Great Software. |
| 11:26.53 | pupnik_ | cool |
| 11:27.06 | pupnik_ | turn navi worked ok? |
| 11:27.55 | maxxle | pupnik_: Yes! It worked perfect including Voice and all the stuff. Just as good as my TomTom. |
| 11:28.02 | pupnik_ | if people had n900 option against expensive car navigation, that would sell units |
| 11:28.18 | pupnik_ | nice |
| 11:28.48 | maxxle | I couldn't believe that there was only Maps 1.0 on the n900 as I used it the first time. In this version the navigation is just useless. |
| 11:29.15 | SpeedEvil | I could implement a xkcd GPS in one line of awk. |
| 11:29.20 | maxxle | Maps 3.0 would be a real Killer App imho for the N900 |
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| 11:29.57 | SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/407/ |
| 11:30.07 | SpeedEvil | with voice directions with espeak too |
| 11:30.24 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: grab it and run for it! |
| 11:31.16 | jaska | that kind of gps would just say cold cold cold cold all the time here |
| 11:31.22 | Stskeeps | till-: ping |
| 11:31.26 | jaska | except for a couple days/weeks a year |
| 11:31.43 | maxxle | Wired. Portmap and nfs is missing too in my repository :( |
| 11:34.55 | pupnik_ | maybe the german government dns proxy is out of sync |
| 11:35.15 | RST38h | read "german government proxy" and wondered |
| 11:35.40 | pupnik_ | t-online dns broke when they were forced to implement that |
| 11:35.54 | pupnik_ | i consider it a tos violation |
| 11:36.47 | Lynoure | Does this constant attempt to get online happen to other with the new upgrade as well? |
| 11:37.13 | pupnik_ | thanks jaffa for the bugfix |
| 11:37.45 | pupnik_ | Lynoure: not for me. i set device to connect manyally |
| 11:38.06 | Jaffa | pupnik_: np |
| 11:38.17 | Lynoure | pupnik_: How? I found the "always ask" option, but that does not seem to help |
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| 11:39.47 | pupnik_ | lynoure, sounds like a bug |
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| 11:40.28 | Lynoure | pupnik_: Feels like one too, I wonder if it is having IM accounts defined that makes it nag. |
| 11:40.41 | pupnik_ | ahh maybe |
| 11:40.44 | maxxle | For the mplayer/nfs/portmap problem. You need another repository: http://repository.maemo.org => install for latest rleases (this means "fremantle extras-devel") |
| 11:42.02 | felipec | I can't find how to push packages to extras-testing, the wiki page doesn't help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing |
| 11:43.14 | joppu | felipec: it's currently broken - atleast for me |
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| 11:46.11 | Stskeeps | joppu: fixed highlighting (if you follow directions in try_it_out.sh) i think and optification |
| 11:47.38 | felipec | joppu: today or yesterday? |
| 11:48.11 | X-Fade | joppu: Still broken, should be fixed now? |
| 11:48.34 | LuciusMare_away | and,how is it going with catorise? |
| 11:48.49 | felipec | anyway, what's the procedure to get them to -devel? |
| 11:48.56 | felipec | er, -testing |
| 11:49.16 | X-Fade | felipec: go to the package instance page in maemo.org/packages/ |
| 11:49.25 | X-Fade | felipec: And click on promote there. |
| 11:50.58 | felipec | X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-msn-pecan/ <- I see no promote there =/ |
| 11:51.19 | X-Fade | felipec: go to the specific version, armel . |
| 11:52.15 | X-Fade | felipec: Ah, it has missing dependencies? |
| 11:52.15 | Jaffa | LuciusMare: Catorise 0.0.4 fixes bug 8026 but suffers from bug 8111 |
| 11:52.17 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8026 Catorise does not add icon in the category when a new application is installed |
| 11:52.18 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 Catorise creates issues for dbus-activate apps (phone, messaging ui, etc ..) |
| 11:52.38 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 11:53.05 | felipec | X-Fade: nope, I don't know why it says that |
| 11:53.27 | X-Fade | felipec: I did not update for new sdk yet. |
| 11:54.09 | X-Fade | felipec: is this depending on versions available in pr1.1 ? |
| 11:54.21 | LuciusMare | so,you say "do not want" yet? |
| 11:54.25 | red | is the N900 wifi only able to pull about 350KB/sec or is Revision3:s DL server slow? |
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| 11:54.47 | red | the second part is retorical :p |
| 11:54.49 | hrw|n900 | hi |
| 11:54.55 | felipec | X-Fade: the package works fine on PR1.0 |
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| 11:55.04 | hrw|n900 | Jaffa: you here? |
| 11:55.20 | LuciusMare | ow |
| 11:55.31 | bigon_ | hi, should I open a bug report for that? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40786 |
| 11:55.31 | LuciusMare | my headphone is borken |
| 11:55.37 | felipec | X-Fade: there are no hard-coded dependencies |
| 11:55.50 | felipec | X-Fade: the build dependencies are: debhelper (>= 5), librtcom-accounts-widgets-dev, libglade2-dev, libnss3-dev, maemo-optify |
| 11:56.03 | X-Fade | felipec: how can that be if it depends on libosso1 >= 2.26, while 2.23 is in pr1? |
| 11:56.08 | LuciusMare | only one,though,my songs are stereo,so i only hear these drums. |
| 11:56.25 | felipec | X-Fade: that's something the build system added |
| 11:56.40 | felipec | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} |
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| 11:56.48 | LuciusMare | can i switch it so both channels are going into only one physical channel? |
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| 11:57.58 | X-Fade | felipec: Ah, yeah it is built against new sdk repository. |
| 11:58.46 | Jaffa | hrw|n900: Yup |
| 11:59.23 | hrw|n900 | X-Fade: so sdk has newer stuff? |
| 11:59.41 | hrw|n900 | Jaffa: tried to upgrade sbox? |
| 11:59.46 | hrw|n900 | off |
| 11:59.52 | felipec | X-Fade: looks like that... all I did was scp to garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ as the instructions said |
| 11:59.56 | X-Fade | hrw|n900: yes, new sdk == pr1.1 == 51-1 rootfs on device. |
| 12:01.01 | Jaffa | hrw|n900: Given the autobuilder is using the same version as my locale one |
| 12:01.07 | Jaffa | s/locale/local/ |
| 12:01.23 | X-Fade | felipec: Yes, just need to load pr1.1 into the interface. I'll try to do that today. |
| 12:01.45 | felipec | X-Fade: awesome! :) |
| 12:01.51 | X-Fade | felipec: Just didn't have time for that yet with the server move and all. |
| 12:03.01 | Jaffa | wonders where the new SDK announcement and upgrade instructions are :-( |
| 12:03.34 | X-Fade | wonders if those were uploaded to the old server ;) |
| 12:04.23 | felipec | X-Fade: yeah, they were, I think I did it just before the server move |
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| 12:04.33 | X-Fade | wtf. Why is qik in sdk? :) |
| 12:05.04 | Stskeeps | where? :P |
| 12:05.13 | trem | hi all |
| 12:05.22 | X-Fade | Oh, no it is in Nokia applications. |
| 12:05.34 | X-Fade | http://maemo.org/packages/view/qik/ |
| 12:05.40 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:06.08 | Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/16/apple-retaliates-requests-us-import-ban-on-nokia-phones/ <- neat |
| 12:06.21 | hrw|n900 | Jaffa: I just did apt-get update/upgrade in sbox for new sdk |
| 12:06.32 | hrw|n900 | off again _ arrived home |
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| 12:09.38 | Jaffa | hrw|n900: Yeah, historically though that's been an "unsupported" way of upgrading |
| 12:09.58 | red | nvm, was just bad server.. getting 550KB/sec now which is decent |
| 12:11.27 | LuciusMare | can i install extensions to microb just as in "normal" firefox? |
| 12:13.36 | pupnik_ | vgba is so great now with assignable keys for diagonals. i am testing n900 keyboard as i-way dpad for the first time and it works very nicely. |
| 12:13.43 | hrw|n900 | Jaffa: you know what I am thinking of other ways? |
| 12:13.43 | pupnik_ | 8-way |
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| 12:22.35 | PBeck | hi |
| 12:22.51 | PBeck | hi where can i find the dbus api for maemo? I search for it since half an hour - but i think i have the wrong searchwords ;) |
| 12:24.11 | villager | what do you mean dbus api? it's just standard dbus... |
| 12:24.11 | xorAxAx | he means the docs |
| 12:24.11 | PBeck | villager: for example i search for the meaning of this sentence |
| 12:24.11 | xorAxAx | hi PBeck |
| 12:24.13 | PBeck | /com/nokia/hildon_desktop com.nokia.hildon_desktop.set_state int32:128 |
| 12:24.30 | villager | xorAxAx: I know that |
| 12:24.34 | PBeck | hi xorAxAx, all right? :) You own an n900? :) |
| 12:24.39 | xorAxAx | PBeck: yep |
| 12:24.42 | PBeck | -n |
| 12:24.47 | PBeck | xorAxAx: nice to hear :) |
| 12:25.03 | villager | PBeck: then you're not looking for the dbus api... you're looking for a spec on the com.nokia.hildon_desktop interface, not a spec on dbus |
| 12:26.11 | PBeck | villager: yes exactly |
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| 12:26.42 | hrww | re |
| 12:27.00 | PBeck | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/UI_Framework#D-Bus_signal_for_closing_applications <= ah that should be not completely wrong |
| 12:27.03 | PBeck | hi hrww |
| 12:27.19 | hrww | Jaffa: my sbox has dpkg 1.14.25 |
| 12:27.46 | hrww | Jaffa: so it looks like autobuilder require upgrade |
| 12:28.07 | hrww | bye |
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| 12:35.00 | Jaffa | hrw|n900: Cool |
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| 12:49.27 | dylanm | hi everyone, i have a small question about the maemo 5 media player |
| 12:49.50 | dylanm | how do i play a video in full screen mode? |
| 12:50.02 | slonopotamus | err |
| 12:50.06 | lcuk | press it |
| 12:50.18 | slonopotamus | how you play video in non-fullscreen? |
| 12:50.25 | lcuk | press it |
| 12:50.31 | lcuk | afaik lol |
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| 12:51.11 | lcuk | ok maybe not |
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| 12:51.19 | frals | :D |
| 12:51.20 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 12:51.20 | lcuk | how do you play a video not fullscreen |
| 12:51.21 | slonopotamus | :P |
| 12:51.28 | frals | yes, how do you get it to not be fullscreen? :D |
| 12:51.34 | Andy80 | why Pixelpipe plugin is no more available in App Manager? |
| 12:51.35 | slonopotamus | you've just repeated my question |
| 12:52.02 | PBeck | perhaps it had not the right resolution? |
| 12:52.11 | PBeck | smaller then 800x480 |
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| 12:52.27 | Andy80 | oh sorry.. just joined the channel :) |
| 12:52.31 | dylanm | yeah, it's smaller, but it should still be possible to view it in full screen, right? |
| 12:52.40 | PBeck | so the n900 has no fullscreen mode - perhaps |
| 12:52.51 | Andy80 | slonopotamus: oh... it's on the Ovi Store now O_o |
| 12:52.53 | lcuk | sits with slonopotamus wondering now how to make a video *not* fullscreen |
| 12:52.59 | frals | leaves the confusion and goes back to fixing with MMS |
| 12:53.22 | lcuk | frals, you should have an automatic test # setup |
| 12:53.34 | lcuk | and make a gallery of the mmses you have gotten from people saying thankyou! |
| 12:53.42 | frals | haha |
| 12:53.52 | frals | that be pretty cool |
| 12:53.52 | slonopotamus | dylanm, it is maximied to fit screen. |
| 12:53.59 | lcuk | would send a picture of a trophy |
| 12:54.05 | slonopotamus | dylanm, what else are you expecting? |
| 12:54.28 | dylanm | hmmm, yeah, i was afraid that would be the case |
| 12:54.41 | dylanm | well then, is there an 800x480 video to fix stuck pixels? |
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| 12:54.50 | lcuk | frals, you never know, some ladies might be even more appreciative lol |
| 12:54.58 | lcuk | mornin konttori |
| 12:55.12 | frals | lcuk: i dont think the misses would appreciate that ;D |
| 12:55.22 | lcuk | konttori, you gonna be around nrc next week? |
| 12:55.30 | lcuk | frals, what can you do |
| 12:55.32 | lcuk | mms groupies |
| 12:55.37 | frals | hehe |
| 12:56.03 | Luser | i must be blind.. how to see the history of a bug on bugzilla? like status/enhancement/milestone? |
| 12:56.27 | Arkenoi | wtf? i cannot see my shared shit on Ovi anymore! why did i use that ugly service at all? |
| 12:56.32 | slonopotamus | Luser, 'view bug activity' |
| 12:56.37 | dylanm | so there is no n900 video to fix stuck pixels? or perhaps a video with the same aspect ratio so it is downscaled? |
| 12:56.52 | lcuk | wat? |
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| 12:57.17 | slonopotamus | dylanm, you can crop your original video so it scales to 800x480. |
| 12:57.26 | RST38h | back |
| 12:57.45 | Luser | slonopotamus, thx. I need to be logged in then? cause I don't see it.. |
| 12:57.51 | lcuk | i onder how a video can fix stuck pixels? and if that works, can we get a video to remove bubbles from screen protectors |
| 12:58.09 | slonopotamus | lcuk, what's 'stuck pixels'? |
| 12:58.16 | lcuk | i dunno |
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| 12:58.42 | slonopotamus | lcuk, but you were talking about them pretending you know :P |
| 12:58.50 | dylanm | nvm, i'll get help elsewhere |
| 12:59.36 | lcuk | dylanm, first you ask about fullscreen video |
| 12:59.39 | Arkenoi | ah. share.ovi.com still works, but it's just a different site with no link from ovi.com. *FAIL* *FACEPALM* |
| 12:59.46 | lcuk | the n900 doesnt appear to play video *not* fullscreen |
| 13:00.03 | lcuk | then you ask about one to remove something which is theoretically hardware related |
| 13:00.40 | dylanm | uh, then what about this: http://www.jscreenfix.com/video.php |
| 13:01.09 | slonopotamus | o_O |
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| 13:01.55 | Andy80 | uff... that f*** pixelpipe doesn't work :\ |
| 13:02.09 | lcuk | dylanm, o_O indeed, my eyes, the googles they do nothing! |
| 13:02.10 | frals | lcuk: some "stuck pixels" are revived after *a lot* of cycles of that pixel appearently |
| 13:02.11 | Andy80 | it only uploads on Pixelpipe and not on pipes I've configured |
| 13:02.29 | lcuk | my eyes are dead after the same amount of cycles tho! |
| 13:03.01 | lcuk | ok dylanm so you want that video to play without any aspect ratio borders? |
| 13:03.06 | dylanm | so what should i do... grab the PAL version of the video and upscale it with handbrake? |
| 13:03.06 | RST38h | "Burnt-in areas should be noticeably improved within 12 hours" |
| 13:03.06 | lcuk | i hear there is a build of mplayer |
| 13:03.09 | RST38h | Yea right |
| 13:03.12 | lcuk | which has options for doing what you need |
| 13:03.18 | Luser | slonopotamus, thx, yes i neede to be logged in.. found my 1 yo password |
| 13:03.35 | slonopotamus | +1 for mplayer |
| 13:03.44 | Luser | +1 too |
| 13:04.01 | lcuk | it looks like the stuff they show aliens in close encounters :D |
| 13:04.09 | lcuk | i wonder what its embedding in your mind |
| 13:04.19 | lcuk | "these are not the stuck pixels you are looking for" |
| 13:04.47 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 13:05.05 | lcuk | dylanm, is it just random colors ? or is there a proper order |
| 13:05.12 | RST38h | lcuk: Don't they go for electric shock right away? |
| 13:05.17 | slonopotamus | lcuk, stop watching! |
| 13:05.41 | lcuk | WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO STUCKPIXELFIXVIDEO WITH REMAINING EYE!" |
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| 13:05.53 | lcuk | i cant help it :'( |
| 13:05.54 | slonopotamus | how they made it loop, i wonder |
| 13:06.07 | lcuk | it says theres java versions |
| 13:06.12 | slonopotamus | lcuk, close 1 eye at least. |
| 13:06.14 | lcuk | i could push a liq* version in a few minutes doing similar |
| 13:06.24 | lcuk | but i fear for your eyes |
| 13:06.53 | lcuk | its like game of life on drugs |
| 13:07.17 | pupnik_ | there is a nice CA algorithm called 'rug' |
| 13:08.46 | RedSky | ok nvm the stuck/dead pixels on my n900's screen, could anyone tell me what's the best way to sync ogg/flac files to the n900? because songbird recodes them to wma |
| 13:09.58 | Andy80 | is there anyone else that cannot make pixelpipe+twitpic work? |
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| 13:12.30 | RST38h | lcuk: I am sure you can cycle those colors faster qith liqbase! |
| 13:12.33 | RST38h | with |
| 13:13.33 | xorAxAx | RedSky: scp |
| 13:13.49 | saltsa_ | how I type the ø letter in N900? |
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| 13:13.58 | lcuk | RST38h, hell yeah! |
| 13:14.10 | saltsa_ | ie. the letter which is found from the "ö" button |
| 13:14.17 | LuciusMare | saltsa_: /o/ |
| 13:14.18 | Wolfie | is the maemo sdk gui installer supposed to be this buggy? the captcha-portion of the wizard is horrible |
| 13:14.27 | PBeck | RedSky: rsync or scp :> |
| 13:15.23 | PBeck | saltsa_: type first the blue arrow and then strg - then you get an onscreen keyboard with that symbol |
| 13:15.34 | RedSky | yeah, how about an automatic way to sync those files? |
| 13:15.48 | frals | cron rsync? ;D |
| 13:15.50 | RedSky | i mean, including album art and such |
| 13:16.24 | PBeck | RedSky: when you load a album from jamendo the album art is included in the dir - that will be synced too |
| 13:17.03 | LuciusMare | lolwut |
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| 13:17.54 | PBeck | Redhttp://www.markspace.com/gogadget/index.html <= RedSky thats sounds good |
| 13:18.06 | LuciusMare | i accidentally unplugged my charging cable,plugged it in again,the led started randomly blinking, so i pulled it off, it showed full battery, then i put it in and showed not a half of it... |
| 13:18.19 | PBeck | but i think its only for a mac |
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| 13:18.35 | saltsa_ | PBeck, strg? |
| 13:18.38 | slonopotamus | RedSky, scp? :) |
| 13:19.00 | slonopotamus | or usb cable and cp? |
| 13:19.07 | RedSky | PBeck: it only syncs from within itunes |
| 13:19.07 | PBeck | saltsa_: oh - german - ctrl ;) |
| 13:19.10 | PBeck | saltsa_: or sym |
| 13:19.29 | saltsa_ | PBeck, that onscreen-keyboard doesn't show that ø character :/ |
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| 13:19.38 | RedSky | PBeck: and yeah, it only runs on a mac |
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| 13:20.20 | PBeck | RedSky: perhaps http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Wireless_Music_Sync_with_Amarok_1.4 RedSky perhaps that can be interesting too |
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| 13:21.05 | saltsa_ | LuciusMare, you have idea how to get it? |
| 13:21.20 | PBeck | saltsa_: i seen in the right bottom corner - the last but one |
| 13:21.29 | saltsa_ | just wondering that there must be some way to produce that char 'cause it's printed on the keyboard |
| 13:21.45 | RedSky | PBeck: i run windows :s |
| 13:21.56 | PBeck | saltsa_: it's printed on the keyboard? |
| 13:22.06 | RedSky | PBeck: is there a windows version of amarok? |
| 13:22.33 | RedSky | PBeck: nvm, there is |
| 13:22.37 | saltsa_ | PBeck, jes. The key have "ö" at bottom left (normal press), "!" at upper right (blue arrow press) and the ø below the "!" |
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| 13:22.55 | PBeck | RedSky: yes |
| 13:23.42 | xorAxAx | does anyone know how i can find out whether the n900 is on battery? |
| 13:23.48 | RedSky | PBeck: through "KDE for Windows"... is there any way to make Songbird sync my flac/ogg files to the n900? i'm kinda attached to that app |
| 13:23.53 | saltsa_ | PBeck, http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg |
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| 13:24.11 | saltsa_ | the key right from "L" |
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| 13:25.04 | bigbrovar | . |
| 13:25.29 | PBeck | saltsa_: hum perhaps shift + ctrl + Ö? |
| 13:25.42 | PBeck | saltsa_: i haven't such a keyboard |
| 13:26.02 | PBeck | saltsa_: have you found anything in the instructions? |
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| 13:26.55 | saltsa_ | PBeck, nothing works and i haven't the manual with me right now |
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| 13:27.26 | fen1x | hi all, i was thinking to buy the N900, but I have a question. Is it possible to use it in portrait mode? and i'm talking about the maeome interface and its basic features, like phone, address book etc..is it possible? |
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| 13:28.07 | frals | uh, just me or talk being reaaaaaaally slow atm? |
| 13:28.10 | PBeck | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.18 | frals | fen1x: most builtin apps does NOT have portrait mode, so no |
| 13:28.45 | PBeck | fen1x: the phone app can be used in portrait too |
| 13:28.46 | saltsa_ | PBeck, but well, I don't need it very often and used the copypaste :) |
| 13:29.32 | fen1x | thanks. well, from your personal experience, is it convenient? doesn't it bother you sometimes, that most of the apps don't have portrait mode? as a phone, you would expect it to be easy to use with one hand as well.. |
| 13:30.02 | PBeck | saltsa_: where you have bougth your device - country? |
| 13:30.15 | saltsa_ | PBeck, finland and finnish layout is in use |
| 13:30.22 | frals | ~curse t.m.o |
| 13:30.23 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, t.m.o ! |
| 13:30.30 | saltsa_ | i needed that char only for one contact |
| 13:30.36 | PBeck | fen1x: i think it should be possible to use it in portrait - for example in the media player |
| 13:31.36 | frals | fen1x: only been annoyed once and that was trying to text with onehand in landscape, otherwise i havent really thought about it since i use it more as a computer than phone |
| 13:32.27 | fen1x | how about walking, when you carry something in one hand? |
| 13:32.35 | RST38h | Mhm...51-1 broke transparency on that little sliding icon in FBReader |
| 13:33.33 | pupnik_ | smiles at vgba's fps counter |
| 13:34.07 | pupnik_ | the UI for configuration is good. |
| 13:34.18 | pupnik_ | did you see speedup with 51-1 RST38h ? |
| 13:34.23 | RST38h | nope |
| 13:34.27 | RST38h | was there a speedup? |
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| 13:36.39 | PBeck | saltsa_: i can' read finnish -.- |
| 13:36.43 | PBeck | 't |
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| 13:36.56 | PBeck | saltsa_: and in the german manuel i think it' |
| 13:36.59 | PBeck | s not written |
| 13:37.20 | xorAxAx | PBeck: do you have a n900? |
| 13:37.41 | PBeck | xorAxAx: yes |
| 13:37.48 | xorAxAx | cool |
| 13:37.58 | xorAxAx | i can recommend qik, even though it isnt opensource |
| 13:38.58 | PBeck | xorAxAx: yes thats a nice application :) |
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| 13:44.55 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: around? |
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| 13:45.37 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: mm? |
| 13:46.30 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: can you somehow share any marina deb now? |
| 13:46.56 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: cause I have a small chance to see it myself) |
| 13:47.19 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: ironically i am not at my desk :/ |
| 13:48.13 | Stskeeps | but hmm, sec |
| 13:48.14 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: ah, damn |
| 13:48.45 | villager | saltsa_: that ø is probably only if you go into settings and choose that you want to type danish or norwegian |
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| 13:49.42 | villager | especially if they use the same keyboard for all the nordic countries |
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| 13:50.12 | lopz | hi |
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| 13:54.56 | pupnik_ | can you get ip for hatari.berlios.de? t-online.de DNS is not showing |
| 13:55.54 | villager | 195.37.77.138 |
| 13:57.41 | pupnik_ | ty |
| 13:57.58 | lcuk | pupnik_, write an rfc for dns over irc |
| 13:57.59 | pupnik_ | i'm giving them a call. this is not acceptable |
| 13:58.10 | frals | lol lcuk |
| 13:58.20 | frals | ~curse talk.maemo.org for timing out |
| 13:58.21 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, talk.maemo.org for timing out ! |
| 13:59.00 | felipec | X-Fade: if you get to update the interface can you let me know? |
| 13:59.20 | felipec | so that I propose msn-pecan for extras-testing |
| 14:01.15 | Luser | pupnik_, I'm at t online and it works |
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| 14:05.30 | pupnik_ | see... |
| 14:07.29 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: didnt update wallpaper but one of your templates. http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/hildon-theme-mermantle_3.2_all.deb |
| 14:08.15 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: hope it works |
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| 14:09.08 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: is it mermantle or marina? |
| 14:10.02 | chem|st | now that maemo.org is fast talk. isnt loading that fast any more... grml |
| 14:10.44 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: i havent changed name in mer yet due to lazyness |
| 14:11.48 | trem | little question, mameo will support mms soon ? |
| 14:13.10 | xorAxAx | trem: it does already |
| 14:13.43 | lcuk | trem, it has an implementation in progress. maemo community ftw! |
| 14:13.49 | trem | xorAxAx: so the N900 can do mms now ? |
| 14:13.58 | frals | fmms 0.1.11-1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository \o/ |
| 14:14.00 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: wow! 10 mb?) |
| 14:15.36 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: themes are bloody huge |
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| 14:16.27 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: well, thanks anyway :) |
| 14:16.37 | Stskeeps | warning, not optified |
| 14:16.55 | xorAxAx | trem: yes, ask frals |
| 14:17.12 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: nah, too expensive for me) |
| 14:17.14 | frals | it *can* do mms, but its not really stable yet :P |
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| 14:17.18 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: k |
| 14:18.17 | Luser | is there a known problem on n800 where the wireless driver gets stucks. For me, I can make it live again when pinging from the n800 to the outside. it happens nearly everytime. wpa2. |
| 14:18.29 | trem | frals: N900 can do mms now ? |
| 14:18.37 | frals | trem: [15:17:14] <frals> it *can* do mms, but its not really stable yet :P |
| 14:18.50 | Stskeeps | Luser: |
| 14:18.57 | Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm |
| 14:18.58 | infobot | well, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 14:18.58 | trem | frals: sorry, I'm missed this line |
| 14:19.01 | trem | great :) |
| 14:19.24 | Luser | Stskeeps, ok I'll try this again. thanks. |
| 14:19.36 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 14:19.37 | Stskeeps | Luser: read that page, it explains it |
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| 14:32.33 | Luser | Stskeeps, bingo. Have to add my router to the list. Speedport w 500v. Thanks. Hope it solves my upnp problems. |
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| 14:36.10 | Stskeeps | Luser: btw, the symptoms you mention are typical on all psm |
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| 14:36.46 | Stskeeps | if you ping -to- the n800, it will often not respond |
| 14:36.50 | Stskeeps | from will work |
| 14:37.07 | Stskeeps | its an artefact of the power saving |
| 14:38.07 | lardman|home | anyone know about optification? |
| 14:38.09 | Luser | Stskeeps, yes, it's 100% sure. I rebooted with psm, wait 1minute. connect to the ssh server, login takes about 30s. Rebooted, disabled psm and it's now very quick. so the n800 has been unused for months because of this.. pity. I will search if there's an update on the router (gpl inside) |
| 14:38.35 | Stskeeps | Luser: ok. did you read the description of psm? |
| 14:39.01 | Stskeeps | Luser: psm means the device will poll for new data when it makes sense |
| 14:39.23 | Stskeeps | which means outside connections often wont make it in |
| 14:39.43 | Stskeeps | it is very effective power sacing |
| 14:40.18 | lardman|home | re optification, am I better to allow Octave to be auto-optified (what will this actually do) or to do ./configure --prefix=/opt/octave/ and then symlink the binary and change LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 14:40.44 | pupnik_ | it is easy to run a ping if you want to force connection on |
| 14:41.10 | Luser | Stskeeps, humm. "when it makes sense". so it's a bit flawed.. well, even in the application manager it sometimes lagged, probably waiting for an ack then. usually from maemo.org repo.. |
| 14:41.24 | lardman|home | or should that be /opt/maemo in which case is /opt/maemo/bin placed in the path and /opt/maemo/lib in the library path? |
| 14:41.29 | Luser | yes, my solution was a constant ping but.. not very nice.. |
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| 14:41.54 | Stskeeps | Luser: maemo.org repo is another can of worms |
| 14:42.03 | Luser | anyway this t online router is not good. |
| 14:42.30 | Stskeeps | Luser: but not being able to ssh to your device on psm when its idle is normal |
| 14:42.32 | Luser | Stskeeps, yes, problem it was still not so good when i received my n800, 2 years ago. I see nothing it still is a bit the same.. |
| 14:43.05 | Luser | ok thanks, I have to leave |
| 14:43.43 | pupnik_ | i am also curious about lardman's question |
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| 14:44.12 | ivan4th | what is /system/warranty gconf key that appeared in PR1.1 and why does it contain 'invalid'? |
| 14:44.12 | ivan4th | gconftool-2 -g /system/warranty |
| 14:44.38 | ivan4th | this worries me |
| 14:44.38 | maxxle | Hello! I wrote a little python application and want to add a application-icon to the menu. Where do I have to put the XY.desktop file on the device? |
| 14:44.42 | pupnik_ | i would prefer if builder optified for me |
| 14:45.12 | lardman|home | maxxle: iirc /usr/share/applications/hildon/ but check that it's there |
| 14:45.27 | X-Fade | pupnik_: auto option will do that, iirc. |
| 14:45.29 | lardman|home | pupnik_: that would be fine if the paths are simply added |
| 14:46.08 | maxxle | lardman|home: this looks good! And where do i have to put the D-BUs-Service file? |
| 14:46.10 | lardman|home | I wonder if debian/files can also contain directories |
| 14:46.53 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i couldnt get debian/optify with 'auto' to work, which was a bit weird |
| 14:46.58 | lardman|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.00 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README |
| 14:47.02 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: on autobuilder |
| 14:47.05 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Checked that? |
| 14:47.11 | Stskeeps | yes |
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| 14:47.57 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: So you created the debian/optify file containing the word auto? |
| 14:48.03 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: right |
| 14:48.23 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Did you try setting optify as build-depends? |
| 14:48.54 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: hmm, guess not - thought autobuilder ran it as a post step when debian/optify |
| 14:49.11 | Jaffa | lardman|home: If you using maemo-optify-deb (i.e. auto-optification), it'll go into /opt/maemo/usr/bin/octave, /opt/maemo/usr/share/... and /opt/maemo/usr/lib/...; with symlinks into the corresponding dirs under / |
| 14:49.26 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I have not kept up with that discussion. I was working on other things. |
| 14:49.34 | lardman|home | Jaffa: why symlinks and not path addition? |
| 14:49.40 | Jaffa | lardman|home: I do manual optification for all my homegrown apps, under /opt/<package>; but for a port, I use auto-optification and not worry about it |
| 14:49.46 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: But there must be packages using auto already? |
| 14:49.55 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: maemo-org tries |
| 14:50.05 | Jaffa | lardman|home: Because as far as the app is aware, it can still access everything under /, rather than /opt/maemo |
| 14:50.07 | Stskeeps | but didnt show up as optified |
| 14:50.11 | lardman|home | Jaffa: Octave contains many many .m script files, can I auto-optify the whole directory they live in rather than symlinking each one? |
| 14:50.29 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: If there's any /opt entry already, "auto" mode does nothing |
| 14:50.33 | X-Fade | lardman|home: afaik, dirs are not symlinked. |
| 14:50.41 | Jaffa | lardman|home: It'll do a dir if it's the name of the package IIRC |
| 14:50.49 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: no /opt nor maemo-optify build dep |
| 14:50.51 | X-Fade | lardman|home: Creates loops etc. |
| 14:51.00 | lardman|home | hmm, this will be painful then |
| 14:51.22 | Jaffa | lardman|home: Why is the script symlinking each one painful *for you*? |
| 14:51.26 | Stskeeps | is there like an information page on how to optify in practice for maemo.org builder? |
| 14:51.30 | lardman|home | so I would be better to optify manually then and create my own symlinks for the binary and libs |
| 14:51.44 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I think there is wiki page. |
| 14:51.51 | lardman|home | Jaffa: not for me, but it will take a long while to create all the links |
| 14:51.55 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: But as said, I really haven't touched this. |
| 14:52.28 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah.. good job on the server move :) |
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| 14:54.31 | Jaffa | There's http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem IIRC, but I've not really read it |
| 14:55.16 | lardman|home | does anyone know off the top of their heads how the optification heuristic works? |
| 14:55.19 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Not done yet, but starting to look ok. |
| 14:55.20 | lardman|home | is it per-file size? |
| 14:56.20 | lardman|home | e.g. I have ~1k scripts totalling 4MB |
| 14:56.30 | lardman|home | would that get auto-optified? |
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| 15:01.24 | lcukx200_ | lardman|home, in your case, optifying the whole folder owuld be beneficial if you can do it from the package side |
| 15:01.32 | lcukx200_ | automatically install directly to /opt |
| 15:01.36 | lcukx200_ | and add a single symlink |
| 15:01.52 | lcukx200_ | if you are in control of it it will be simplest for your thinking |
| 15:02.05 | lardman|home | surely easier to just install everything to /opt/octave/ then make symlinks for the binary and libs? |
| 15:02.06 | lcukx200_ | is looking at similar things atm |
| 15:02.10 | lcukx200_ | yes |
| 15:02.13 | lardman|home | is just a pita |
| 15:02.27 | lcukx200_ | nods |
| 15:02.38 | lardman|home | modifying path would be easier for most packages I imagine |
| 15:02.45 | frals | just installs everything to /opt/fmms and skips the symlink |
| 15:02.47 | gevaerts | is tmo slow for anyone else? |
| 15:02.59 | lcukx200_ | lardman, it depends on how app is put together |
| 15:03.08 | lardman|home | frals: how do you run things? |
| 15:03.21 | lardman|home | frals: not in the path, so directly from the .desktop file? |
| 15:03.25 | frals | yeah |
| 15:03.26 | lardman|home | frals: no libs? |
| 15:03.41 | frals | only depends on libs in pythons path |
| 15:03.56 | frals | which is why its so easy for me i guess |
| 15:03.59 | lardman|home | I guess I could create a script wrapper to modify LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 15:04.20 | lardman|home | but then again Octave has no GUI, so people will need to be able to run it from the term, so that's out :( |
| 15:04.36 | lcukx200_ | just a symlink from exe to your /opt subdir |
| 15:04.56 | lardman|home | needs libraries too |
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| 15:05.12 | lcukx200_ | those too! but i thought you were only thinking about its data at first |
| 15:05.25 | lardman|home | I was wondering what would be easiest |
| 15:05.32 | lardman|home | and require the least hacking around of the build scripts |
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| 15:08.44 | X-Fade | Oh crap. |
| 15:08.48 | villager | lardman|home: setting rpath is probably cleaner than making wrappers |
| 15:09.13 | lardman|home | what's rpath? |
| 15:09.29 | lardman|home | only has vague ideas about it |
| 15:09.31 | villager | a compiled-in library search path |
| 15:09.38 | lardman|home | ah I see |
| 15:09.51 | lcuk | X-Fade, that sounds a bit worrysome |
| 15:09.57 | X-Fade | It is. |
| 15:10.00 | lcuk | :( |
| 15:10.01 | lardman|home | villager: that sounds useful |
| 15:10.06 | lcuk | run out of coffee? |
| 15:10.31 | villager | lardman|home: not usually trivial to set though |
| 15:10.53 | frals | ponders if the "Oh crap" has anything to do with build list not updating on maemo.org/packages |
| 15:10.56 | X-Fade | No, storage on one of the new boxes just hangs. Not sure if it is fiber or network connected, but it is blocking. |
| 15:11.15 | X-Fade | Affects garage and repository. |
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| 15:11.27 | lardman|home | villager: as I need to symlink the binary anyway, I'll have a go symlinking the libs too |
| 15:11.32 | lardman|home | only 3 of them iirc |
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| 15:15.53 | xorAxAx | is still fighting with wesnoth |
| 15:16.18 | gevaerts | xorAxAx: isn't that what it's normally used for? ;) |
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| 15:20.01 | wazd_e63 | Well, that was awesome) |
| 15:20.30 | wazd_e63 | Mini maemo summit) |
| 15:21.36 | RST38h | wazd: Was that abbra visiting? |
| 15:22.22 | wazd_e63 | RsT38h: well, me and Vlad were picking ddp devices here |
| 15:22.40 | thresh | i thought ab is back in .fi :) |
| 15:23.05 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: and bought used n800 from gLobster |
| 15:23.10 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: abbra?) |
| 15:25.17 | RST38h | wazd: Oh you finally picked a DDP device? |
| 15:25.27 | RST38h | expects themes =) |
| 15:25.37 | wazd_e63 | Well, not for myself) |
| 15:25.53 | wazd_e63 | But you can still expect themes) |
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| 15:27.17 | wazd_e63 | Reconnect |
| 15:28.05 | |R_ | Isn't there a category for filling bugs for OVI store apps? |
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| 15:28.40 | |R | backgammon needs a bug report, it crashes and makes stones disapear :P |
| 15:29.49 | RST38h | True |
| 15:29.59 | RST38h | First makes stones disappear, THEN crashes |
| 15:30.11 | RST38h | + some UI elements get stuck when touched |
| 15:30.23 | |R | well even once at the end of the game it crashed without magic stone tricks hehe |
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| 15:30.49 | Jef91 | Gah, the maemo repositories are so crappy. |
| 15:30.59 | |R | But where would i fill this bug, in extras / games I don't seem t be able to create a new category for it |
| 15:31.10 | slonopotamus | Jef91, :) |
| 15:31.57 | torindel | doh |
| 15:32.15 | Jef91 | Every time I try to apt-get update, something fails. |
| 15:32.17 | Jef91 | Its beyond annoying |
| 15:32.18 | torindel | maemo.org/extras devel/extras testing repos dont work for me |
| 15:32.24 | torindel | :< |
| 15:32.51 | Jef91 | torindel - I just ran update from terminal now, checking which repos fail |
| 15:33.00 | Jef91 | I wanted to install fmms this morning :-/ |
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| 15:33.32 | |R | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras <- can anyone create "products" for all the ovi apps here? |
| 15:33.35 | lcuk | everyone that manages to install fmms, find out frals phone number and send him a thank you mms |
| 15:33.35 | torindel | Jef91: you're saying that from console apt-get it works not from gui thingy? |
| 15:33.44 | frals | lol lcuk |
| 15:33.52 | Jef91 | torindel - trying it now. |
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| 15:34.08 | lcuk | frals, i want to see a gallery - seriously now, the more i think of it, the cooler it would be :D |
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| 15:34.26 | adalal | anyone know what's up with the appliction manager? |
| 15:34.27 | frals | if i had a spare device id get a pay as you go sim and set it up |
| 15:34.27 | Asger | lol :) |
| 15:34.29 | adalal | it's being very weird |
| 15:34.52 | frals | as much as trust this community i rather not have my personal cellnumber floating around that much ;) |
| 15:35.07 | torindel | adalal: assuming its appliction manager and not repos themselfes |
| 15:35.12 | xorAxAx | |R: and who would read the bug reports? |
| 15:35.18 | torindel | -e |
| 15:35.19 | lcuk | frals, understood :D let us know when you do get a spare sim sorted tho |
| 15:35.27 | gevaerts | suspects that X-Fade's latest remarks explain the repository issues right now |
| 15:35.48 | Jef91 | gevaerts What remark was that, I just got here |
| 15:35.57 | |R | xorAxAx: well, those who make them hopefully... |
| 15:36.09 | gevaerts | < X-Fade> No, storage on one of the new boxes just hangs. Not sure if it is fiber or network connected, but it is blocking. |
| 15:36.09 | xorAxAx | |R: lol |
| 15:36.11 | gevaerts | < X-Fade> Affects garage and repository. |
| 15:36.12 | |R | xorAxAx: one centralised place to receive specific critic might help them :) |
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| 15:36.22 | adalal | torindel: is there a way to confirm that? |
| 15:36.29 | lardman|home | if I do something like this: for file in /opt/octave/bin/octave* ; do |
| 15:36.33 | |R | but ok then, i'll go rant on their home page ;) |
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| 15:36.41 | lardman|home | will ${file} contain the whole path? |
| 15:36.46 | lcuk | frals, ontop of everything else, once you have an mms from everywhere in the world, you know the database is complete |
| 15:36.52 | lcuk | before then, its just idle banter lol |
| 15:36.53 | torindel | adalal: lets wait for Jef91 to try apt-get from console |
| 15:36.55 | frals | lcuk: haha |
| 15:37.42 | lcuk | prepares to break his device |
| 15:37.47 | Jef91 | Apt-get from terminal appears to fail as well heh |
| 15:37.49 | torindel | adalal: altroo yesterday it worked fine for me, when some ppl started complaining about non-working application-manager |
| 15:38.06 | Jef91 | lcuk - reflashing is easy ;) |
| 15:38.21 | adalal | torindel: i'll try apt-get update from console as well i suppose |
| 15:38.24 | Jef91 | I can reflash with out the wiki page now I've bricked my phone so many times |
| 15:38.30 | lcuk | does reflashing fix /opt |
| 15:38.34 | lcuk | or do the contents remain |
| 15:38.40 | Jef91 | lcuk - define fix /opy |
| 15:38.44 | torindel | Jef91: xD |
| 15:38.49 | lcuk | empty it |
| 15:38.50 | Jef91 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.52 | lcuk | clear it out |
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| 15:38.57 | lcuk | reset it |
| 15:39.01 | Jef91 | lcuk - only if you reflash the eMMC |
| 15:39.02 | lcuk | neutralize |
| 15:39.04 | Jef91 | which wipes out all user data |
| 15:39.08 | lcuk | exterminate |
| 15:39.09 | Jef91 | and defaults the device |
| 15:39.23 | lcuk | so i would have problems if i did a clone to mmc |
| 15:39.30 | gevaerts | mkfs.ext3 is on the root filesystem, so fixing /opt is easy :) |
| 15:39.31 | lcuk | because the clone would be trying to use the /opt |
| 15:39.35 | torindel | lcuk: you can always install sudo gainroot thingy, umount it, mkfs on it, mount it back |
| 15:39.38 | lcuk | that the main system uses too |
| 15:39.57 | Jef91 | gevaerts isn't it mkfs.ext2 -j ? |
| 15:40.14 | torindel | Jef91: thats same as mkfs.ext3 ;] |
| 15:40.18 | gevaerts | Jef91: is there a real difference? |
| 15:40.34 | torindel | gevaerts: nope |
| 15:40.35 | lcuk | right Jef91 |
| 15:40.35 | gevaerts | It also has mkfs.ext4 if you prefer :) |
| 15:40.41 | lcuk | so if i reflash i wont fix it |
| 15:40.48 | lcuk | since im doing something with /opt |
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| 15:41.15 | lcuk | looks skyward |
| 15:41.21 | Jef91 | o really? |
| 15:41.28 | Jef91 | supports ext4 now? |
| 15:41.28 | lcuk | well if /opt remains |
| 15:41.31 | lcuk | and i reflash |
| 15:41.35 | lcuk | and reflash and reflash |
| 15:41.43 | lcuk | it wont be reset so will become bloated |
| 15:41.50 | gevaerts | Jef91: I wouldn't use ext4 on 2.6.28, but you can try I guess |
| 15:41.54 | lcuk | with stuff from previous incarnations |
| 15:42.12 | adalal | torindel: the repostiories are out! argh |
| 15:42.51 | gevaerts | I suspect that mkfs.ext4 is mainly there because you get that if you build e2fsprogs |
| 15:43.08 | gevaerts | adalal: surely that's better than things not working because your phone is broken? |
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| 15:44.34 | gevaerts | wants more angry birds levels |
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| 15:46.46 | slonopotamus | gevaerts, got 3 stars on all? :) |
| 15:46.51 | Jef91 | apt-get update is still running /sigh |
| 15:46.54 | lardman|home | does this look reasonable as a postinst script?: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m71bbca03 |
| 15:46.57 | gevaerts | slonopotamus: yes, all three worlds :) |
| 15:47.22 | torindel | Jef91: did it manage to connect to repos? xD |
| 15:47.42 | lardman|home | and the accompanying prerm script: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1a2c571 |
| 15:47.42 | adalal | gevaerts: yes, but it's annoying nonetheless |
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| 15:47.48 | Jef91 | torindel - it hasen't told me any of them failed to connect yet... |
| 15:48.18 | torindel | Jef91: well for me i got to wait about 2mins till application manager tells me that it failed to connect to all 3 -__- |
| 15:48.22 | Macer | anybody know how much it costs to mail a letter? I have $0.37 stamps |
| 15:48.31 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/13/nokias-maemo-ovi-store-looking-rickety-beta-label-well-deser/ |
| 15:48.33 | RST38h | Wonderful |
| 15:48.37 | Macer | it goes up every other week so i don't even know how much it costs to mail a letter heh |
| 15:48.44 | adalal | Jef91: i tried pinging the repository.maemo.org |
| 15:48.51 | RST38h | Nobody thought of having to distribute paid stuff via open repos? :) |
| 15:48.56 | Macer | RST38h: like the android market? |
| 15:48.57 | Macer | heh |
| 15:48.58 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: whats the ETA of marina in the repos? |
| 15:49.19 | Macer | oh do they mean the actual store? :) |
| 15:49.23 | Macer | i guess the actual market app isn't too bad |
| 15:49.24 | xorAxAx | RST38h: but they are hidden!111eleven |
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| 15:50.25 | adalal | Macer: it costs 36p i think to post first class envelope |
| 15:51.18 | Macer | heh |
| 15:51.20 | Macer | in the US? |
| 15:51.25 | Macer | i think it's 42 cents |
| 15:51.28 | gevaerts | Macer: you didn't specify that! |
| 15:51.36 | Macer | i figured the $ kind of gave it away ;) |
| 15:51.37 | adalal | ah |
| 15:51.38 | adalal | lol |
| 15:51.57 | Macer | it's ok though. i'll just put 2 37 cent stamps on it |
| 15:52.05 | Macer | if it costs more than that.. then fuck the usps |
| 15:52.08 | Macer | haha |
| 15:58.55 | lardman|home | when gcc links, the order of the object files is important isn't it? Should a fn provider static lib be located before an object file that uses said fn? |
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| 16:10.32 | xorAxAx | lardman|home: i think its only important when there multiple objects that define a certain name |
| 16:10.35 | pierlux_ | frak, isn repository.maemo.org down? |
| 16:10.37 | xorAxAx | symbol that is |
| 16:10.46 | villager | lardman|home: after I think |
| 16:11.26 | lardman|home | yeah, that's what I think too |
| 16:11.30 | villager | lardman|home: gcc keeps a list of undefined symbols and pulls them in from any lib defining them as it moves along the list of libraries |
| 16:11.33 | torindel | lardman|home: it shouldnt be important |
| 16:11.40 | villager | or rather ld |
| 16:11.58 | lardman|home | though trying to find the particular Makefile to modify in lapack is quite hard |
| 16:12.02 | torindel | lardman|home: unless you use -Wl,--as-needed in LDFLAGS |
| 16:12.17 | torindel | but thats due to bugs in ld |
| 16:12.25 | pierlux_ | is anyone able to download this file: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/r/recorder/recorder_0.3.4_armel.deb |
| 16:12.47 | lardman|home | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2a3040e5 |
| 16:13.11 | X-Fade | pierlux_: We're having a problem at the origin server for the repository. |
| 16:13.13 | Guest21975 | pierlux: nope, is there another server move going on? |
| 16:13.14 | lardman|home | so I'm guessing I need the libf2c.a at the end |
| 16:13.19 | Jef91 | Bleh, super annoying the repos are down again. Guess I actually go do my Linear Algebra homework instead of playing with fMMS |
| 16:13.55 | pierlux_ | X-Fade, just the one day I really needed to download apps ;-) no body has got access to the files? I don't have my laptop with to generate a package from source |
| 16:16.48 | frals | Jef91: i'd tell you where to get the latest deb, but i know how *fun* linear algebra is so... ;-) |
| 16:17.25 | Jef91 | frals - I cannot get repository.maemo.org to open either... |
| 16:17.27 | frals | Jef91: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1210&release_id=3126 (worksforme) |
| 16:17.49 | Jef91 | frals i need fapn as well - is it on the garage? |
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| 16:18.00 | arachnist | hi |
| 16:18.06 | frals | negative, ill see if i can mirror the latest deb somewhere |
| 16:18.33 | arachnist | is it just me, or did "repositories.maemo.org" repo broke a few minutes ago? |
| 16:18.37 | arachnist | (extras-devel) |
| 16:18.43 | frals | Jef91: http://mms.frals.se/fapn_0.5-1_all.deb |
| 16:18.44 | mkargar | arachnist:hi |
| 16:19.41 | Jef91 | your the best frals :) |
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| 16:20.02 | pierlux_ | arachnist, yes it doesn't work for me either |
| 16:20.15 | torindel | yawns at arachnist |
| 16:20.55 | arachnist | yawns at thuttu77 |
| 16:21.02 | arachnist | yawns at torindel |
| 16:21.05 | arachnist | sorry, tabfail |
| 16:21.43 | pierlux_ | whois tabfail lol |
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| 16:23.21 | mkargar | frals:mms work since of installed fapn on n900? |
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| 16:24.25 | frals | uh, fMMS is the package that enables mms send & receive, but it's very much alpha and might kill your device or other bad stuff :) |
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| 16:24.59 | xorAxAx | frals: how does it hook into maemo for mms receive? |
| 16:25.05 | uhsf | I may look later today to order a Nokia N900. It is much pricier than I can afford and I'm trying to rationalize this purchase telling myself I have not bought any electronic device in a long time and that there is no other item available right now that is interesting to me. Nothing exciting has come out of the CES except maybe Intel CPUs but a new PC will have to wait until summer when I get more money and USB3, SATA3 and SSDs are more |
| 16:25.19 | frals | xorAxAx: wappushd |
| 16:25.21 | Jef91 | frals - I need python-conic for fMMS, what package is that in? |
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| 16:25.48 | frals | Jef91: its in python-conic... in the repos :P |
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| 16:26.08 | Jef91 | uhsf - honestly the N900 isn't any more costly than most other high end smart phones |
| 16:26.15 | Jef91 | frals *face plam* |
| 16:26.16 | DangerMaus | uhsf, i just said to myself its not a phone its a pocket puter that has a phone app |
| 16:26.43 | Jef91 | DangerMaus - thats cheaper than the iPhone :P |
| 16:26.47 | Jef91 | And faster... |
| 16:26.51 | DangerMaus | and i just didnt build a new gaming box |
| 16:26.54 | Jef91 | And more storage... |
| 16:27.07 | DangerMaus | yepyep |
| 16:27.21 | Jef91 | and much better screen |
| 16:27.43 | Jef91 | both my brothers have iPhails and the 800x480 screen is sooo nice in comparison |
| 16:27.57 | DangerMaus | thats all i could come up with on dec1 when i realized nokia had them in stock |
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| 16:29.05 | DangerMaus | Jef91, me mum just got an iphone without a data pkg... dont ask me how might have to do with the senior plan |
| 16:29.24 | DangerMaus | just using it as a phone |
| 16:29.37 | Jef91 | Heh, my younger brother did that for a long time. |
| 16:29.43 | Jef91 | Theres Wifi everywhere... |
| 16:29.53 | DangerMaus | yep |
| 16:29.54 | Jef91 | (Plus Data plans on AT&T are stupid expensive) |
| 16:30.09 | Jef91 | AT&T wanted 60$/month for a tether data plan on my N900 |
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| 16:30.22 | Jef91 | I told them to kindly stick it where the sun doesn't shine |
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| 16:30.24 | DangerMaus | i find the 900 to be the best war driving device it locks to any open wifi |
| 16:31.33 | Jef91 | DangerMaus - fact. |
| 16:31.33 | homeasvs__ | if you provide a repo, how should users install your gpg key |
| 16:31.35 | homeasvs__ | ?\ |
| 16:31.48 | DangerMaus | did tmobile theytaged the acct as a smart phone and no issues got the full 3.5g in chicago and sporatic 3.5 where i live more popping up everyday |
| 16:31.50 | Jef91 | That reminds me - I need to look into setting up AirSnort on the n900 |
| 16:32.19 | Jef91 | DangerMaus - you live near Chicago? I'm on the south side thehehe |
| 16:32.24 | xorAxAx | DangerMaus: with which app are you wardriving? |
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| 16:32.44 | sp3000 | I guess I need someone with a talk account |
| 16:32.56 | sp3000 | is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7997#c2 anchor navigation, as opposed to loading a new page? |
| 16:32.57 | povbot` | Bug 7997: Browser retains zoom status in followed links |
| 16:32.59 | DangerMaus | dont need to look for things to lockon to it just dose |
| 16:33.15 | KenYoung | Does anyone know if the maemo server reconfiguration has completed? |
| 16:33.16 | sp3000 | or, I imagine it may be anchor nav and page nav depending on the case, even |
| 16:33.31 | DangerMaus | Jef91, i live in milwaukee my rents live on the north side |
| 16:33.48 | Jef91 | DangerMaus, ahh very good. I get 3.5 in most places round where I live |
| 16:34.00 | Jef91 | Although its really not that fast... only 100kb/sec download |
| 16:34.37 | Jef91 | Anyone know off hand what libc6 version debia etch uses? |
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| 16:34.45 | DangerMaus | though on the little panel at the top of screen hit network it'll list all the available networks |
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| 16:34.57 | Luser | homeasvs, using apt-key |
| 16:35.23 | homeasvs | Luser, there is no non-command-line way to do it ? |
| 16:35.48 | inz | Jef91, http://packages.debian.org/etch/libc6 |
| 16:35.52 | DangerMaus | Jef91, that sounds more like the 3g |
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| 16:36.14 | lo__ | regarding the problem of repository.maemo.org, I've found that adding Acquire::http::Retries "3"; and Acquire::http::timeout "10"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf/20timeout helps |
| 16:36.26 | Jef91 | hrm, phone said 3.5 xD - at any rate I will give the iPhone this - my brother gets around 270kb/sec download with it |
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| 16:39.02 | DangerMaus | test wise it says im getting 941kb/s / 351kb/s |
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| 16:40.47 | Jef91 | Like via speed test? |
| 16:40.59 | Jef91 | Because if so that translates to 100kb/sec download |
| 16:41.22 | DangerMaus | heh |
| 16:41.56 | DangerMaus | should be quicker |
| 16:43.16 | lo__ | anyone knows a _reliable_ upnp server to stream music under linux or windows? |
| 16:43.43 | DangerMaus | then like 1500kb/s wifi |
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| 16:43.54 | KenYoung | Is there anyone online who is familiar with thr process for registering ssh public keys for a maemo garage account? |
| 16:43.57 | DangerMaus | but that is mucked up atm |
| 16:44.09 | anidel | any Canadian over here? |
| 16:45.12 | akashihi | anyone knows, why repository.maemo.org is unavailable and when it is expected to get online? |
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| 16:46.02 | Jef91 | akashihi it is offline cause Nokia blows |
| 16:46.15 | Jef91 | Its expected back online sometime after the 14th coming of Christ ;) |
| 16:46.27 | type_t | <lo__> http://mirrors.nic.funet.fi/pub/OpenBSD/songs/ |
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| 16:47.08 | akashihi | Jef91: oh, long time to wait :-) |
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| 16:49.20 | lo__ | type_t, yes not bad :) |
| 16:49.40 | Kamui | is xchat hildonized? |
| 16:50.00 | Kamui | i think i might have an old version vs the ver on maemo.org |
| 16:50.08 | Kamui | front page |
| 16:50.12 | ShadowJK_ | not very |
| 16:51.03 | torindel | Kamui: why not ssh+screen+irssi? ;] |
| 16:52.16 | troff76 | is repository.maemo down, or have i broken my phone? |
| 16:52.50 | arachnist | troff76: it seems so |
| 16:52.51 | KenYoung | troff76, It seems like a lot of the maemo servers are messed up. |
| 16:53.25 | __ibz | any mutt users available? |
| 16:54.05 | troff76 | and i am not allowed to login to talk.maemo.org |
| 16:54.17 | Stskeeps | KenYoung, troff76: server move still in progress |
| 16:54.27 | troff76 | i see |
| 16:54.36 | RST38h | troff76: You have been naughty. |
| 16:54.45 | KenYoung | Stskeeps, Any estimates availbalbe for when the move will be completed? |
| 16:54.49 | RST38h | troff76: That is the punishment for your sins. |
| 16:54.52 | troff76 | naughty? how? |
| 16:55.18 | RST38h | troff76: REPENT! |
| 16:55.40 | KenYoung | Stskeeps, Do you know if a notice will be posted somewhere when the move is complete? |
| 16:55.46 | Stskeeps | KenYoung: DNS is a horrible thing so within 72 hours after yesterday |
| 16:56.04 | Stskeeps | also akamai was messing with .gz files (bad for apt) |
| 16:56.10 | KenYoung | Stskeeps, OK, thanks for the info!. |
| 16:56.33 | Stskeeps | follow #maemork on qaiku and the server move thread on talk |
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| 17:00.35 | adalal | is it just me that can't access the maemo rep? |
| 17:00.50 | RST38h | You have also been naughty. |
| 17:01.10 | RST38h | You should read the N900 user manual cover to cover, three times in a row. |
| 17:01.10 | arachnist | hmm |
| 17:01.19 | cb22 | RST38h, even the parts in french? |
| 17:01.20 | arachnist | apt-get dist-upgrade seems to take quite a bit time |
| 17:01.21 | Kamui | torindel: personally i like xchat more. |
| 17:01.27 | RST38h | cb22: Correct. |
| 17:01.32 | cb22 | thought so |
| 17:01.36 | arachnist | (on the N900) |
| 17:01.39 | cb22 | explains why i havent had any problems |
| 17:03.08 | SpeedEvil | found his BT headphones after ages. |
| 17:03.17 | SpeedEvil | And finds they are fucked - as the battery is flat. |
| 17:03.23 | SpeedEvil | hates li-ion in some ways. |
| 17:03.52 | adalal | likes lions though :P |
| 17:04.09 | adalal | but, anyone having problems with the repositories at the moment? |
| 17:04.23 | Stskeeps | adalal: server move still in progress |
| 17:04.26 | Stskeeps | KenYoung: DNS is a horrible thing so within 72 hours after yesterday |
| 17:04.33 | Stskeeps | er, adalal |
| 17:04.40 | Stskeeps | follow #maemork on qaiku and the server move thread on talk |
| 17:04.45 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, grab some generic li-ions and cram them in there? |
| 17:04.47 | adalal | ah okay thanks |
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| 17:05.00 | cb22 | although with something like bluetooth headphones, i wouldnt want them exploiding... |
| 17:05.56 | lo__ | Don't know for the n900 but at least for the n8x0 apt is using the default timeout/retry and that makes the app manager hang badly, you can lower them : http://pastebin.com/m34404c5 |
| 17:06.14 | sp3000 | hmm, I need a bug comment containing a "bug nnn comment ccc" link |
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| 17:14.21 | dev | lo__: what's your definition of _reliable_? -> coherence-project.org, runs even on the tablet |
| 17:14.32 | angasule | hmm, gpe calendar seems to have a huge bug |
| 17:15.45 | lcukx200_ | Stskeeps, ping |
| 17:15.46 | angasule | aah, no, scratch that, maemo has a huge bug :) |
| 17:15.54 | zeev | Hi, its already a week that I try to move my contacts from my old phone to N900 via bluetooth, the problem that I face: "not enough space". I assume that my old phone reports wrong file size. Is there a way to deactivate file size check on bluetooth? |
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| 17:17.33 | lo__ | dev, I had problems with ushare. coherence I tried but didnt really get it how it was working :) thanks I'll recheck |
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| 17:21.14 | angasule | hmm, alright, yes, it's gpe calendar, it's ignoring LC_MESSAGES |
| 17:21.23 | angasule | so the friggin' interface is in Spanish :( |
| 17:21.48 | SpeedEvil | cb22: possibly. |
| 17:22.03 | SpeedEvil | cb22: or 1*18650 on each side for balance. |
| 17:22.17 | zeev | is it possible at all to deactivate file size check in bluetooth? |
| 17:25.07 | PBeck | hum my ogg files will not be shown in the mediaplayer? |
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| 17:25.38 | ShadowJK_ | did you install ogg-support? |
| 17:26.11 | barfoos | anyone using openvpn? the applet doesn't ask me for the password of my p12 file. using test throws "password can not be verified". on the console it works perfectly. any ideas maybe? |
| 17:26.23 | PBeck | yes, i can play the files through the filemanager |
| 17:26.45 | ShadowJK_ | :/ |
| 17:27.53 | lcukx200_ | can i optify /usr/bin or /usr/lib |
| 17:28.11 | lcukx200_ | or rather, if i do, will bad things happen |
| 17:28.18 | kulve | PBeck: it can take some time for them to appear is Media Player because Tracker must first find and index them |
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| 17:28.40 | PBeck | kulve: i have started tracker manually but it do not work |
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| 17:32.21 | zeev | any ideas? |
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| 17:35.19 | zeev | is my assumption correct? |
| 17:35.28 | torindel | zeev: probably yes |
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| 17:35.55 | torindel | unless thats closed source part and dont have option to at all ;p |
| 17:35.58 | zeev | so is there a way to deactivate file size check? |
| 17:36.35 | zeev | bluetooth part in N900 is closed source?? |
| 17:38.48 | greenfly | afaik they use bluez like any other distro |
| 17:40.00 | redeeman | it uses bluez |
| 17:40.10 | zeev | so is there an option to deactivate file size check on recieving? |
| 17:40.28 | redeeman | hmm don't know |
| 17:40.33 | Mozillion | repository.maemo.org still unresolvable? |
| 17:40.33 | redeeman | that is not part of bluez |
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| 17:40.56 | adalal | same |
| 17:41.11 | zeev | redeeman: but of what? what checks the size of the file recieved via bluetooth? |
| 17:41.17 | adalal | Mozillion: i think it's cuz of the DNS propagation time.. it can take up to 72 hours looking up at the root-server records |
| 17:41.33 | redeeman | zeev: whichever app they have listening to the dbus events from bluez, don't know which it is |
| 17:42.02 | redeeman | resolves to 80.248.164.237 here |
| 17:42.04 | zeev | file manager? |
| 17:42.20 | redeeman | zeev: i do not know what is listening to it and providing the dialog |
| 17:42.34 | zeev | I assume its file manager |
| 17:42.48 | zeev | is there an option to deactivate file size checking? |
| 17:43.12 | adalal | 80.248.164.237 here as well.... seems that's an old record? |
| 17:43.23 | adalal | redeeman: can you ping the server? or connect to it |
| 17:43.39 | redeeman | can not connect |
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| 17:44.20 | adalal | dns propagation will take a while... |
| 17:45.17 | zeev | Any idea how to deactivate file size check in file manager (for copying to a location)? |
| 17:45.24 | mtnbkr | someone should have lowered the TTLs long before the move... Would have mitigated slow "dns propogation" issues when the servers were moved |
| 17:45.58 | mtnbkr | s/someone/domain owner/ |
| 17:46.01 | adalal | is there a manual way to lower them after? |
| 17:46.15 | adalal | or request to lower them |
| 17:46.31 | ShadowJK_ | Sure, but it still takes the old TTL time to propagate the new TTL... so no |
| 17:46.56 | mtnbkr | adalal: won't matter. if TTL for a host is 7 days, and your ISP's dns server (or your own) will have cahced the 7 day TTL and will keep handing you that IP until the 7 days are up... |
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| 17:47.35 | adalal | mtnbkr: unless the dns server admin updates it right? i have my own dns server at home |
| 17:47.41 | RST38h | wazd: Around? |
| 17:47.43 | mtnbkr | so, someone should have lowered the TTLs to an hour or less at least 7 days prior to the move (if the TTL was 7 days... I am just using that as an example) |
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| 17:48.12 | woglinde_ | hm can someone test https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/imlib2/ |
| 17:48.18 | woglinde_ | if the url works |
| 17:48.26 | woglinde_ | moo rst |
| 17:48.34 | adalal | well, i suppose i can update my own records right? if i have my own dns server... mtnbkr |
| 17:48.34 | RST38h | hey awoglinde |
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| 17:48.46 | adalal | woglinde_: what ip does that resolve to? |
| 17:48.52 | mtnbkr | adalal: or, if you know the new ip, you can add it to your hosts file. |
| 17:48.54 | woglinde_ | rst is the icon in xchat debin/control file working? |
| 17:49.00 | odin_ | are the USB port(s) of the device provided by CPU on-chip support ? how many native independant ports does it have? |
| 17:49.07 | adalal | mtnbkr: might as well update it on my dns server... |
| 17:49.13 | woglinde_ | adalal is garage |
| 17:49.21 | woglinde_ | other grarage sites are working |
| 17:49.32 | adalal | woglinde_: not working for me |
| 17:49.47 | zeev | how do I check options of the File Manager what is its command line name? |
| 17:50.07 | ShadowJK_ | heh, ns.nokia.com is returning NXDOMAIN |
| 17:50.08 | adalal | woglinde_: im supposing that either mine, or the google servers doesn't have the updated records |
| 17:50.09 | woglinde_ | here it hangs |
| 17:50.28 | Mozillion | ShadowJK_: yes, still! |
| 17:50.38 | odin_ | ShadowJK_, ns.nokia.com not for me status: NOERROR, ns.nokia.com. 86400 IN A 131.228.20.19 |
| 17:50.50 | adalal | woglinde_: can u send me the IP address the garage site goes to? |
| 17:50.51 | mtnbkr | ShadowJK_: it resolves to 131.228.20.19 here. |
| 17:51.02 | ShadowJK_ | I mean I queried ns.nokia.com for repository.maemo.org., and the nokia nameserver said NXDOMAIN |
| 17:51.08 | RST38h | woglinde: yes, why shouldn't it? |
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| 17:51.16 | mtnbkr | ShadowJK_: oh gotcha! |
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| 17:51.42 | adalal | i can't even ping ns.nokia.com |
| 17:51.44 | Mozillion | so if the NS servers are not saying it correctly, how can it ever propagate |
| 17:52.01 | Mozillion | adalal: nah.. that is anti-DoS.. refusing pings |
| 17:52.03 | Mozillion | probably |
| 17:52.03 | mtnbkr | reminds me of a favorite saying of mine: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance |
| 17:52.04 | woglinde_ | RST38h hm I think its the small one as in diablo |
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| 17:52.22 | lcukx200_ | wheres the tutorial flash thingy stored? |
| 17:52.27 | smps | there is no dns record for repository.maemo.org |
| 17:52.29 | woglinde_ | and fremantle should have 45x45 or so |
| 17:52.34 | RST38h | woglinde: Oh, you want a bigger icon... |
| 17:52.38 | woglinde_ | no |
| 17:52.42 | woglinde_ | I only asking |
| 17:52.53 | adalal | ok.. yeah it is .. BUT |
| 17:52.54 | adalal | ; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P2 <<>> -x repository.maemo.org @ns.nokia.com |
| 17:52.54 | adalal | ;; global options: +cmd |
| 17:52.54 | adalal | ;; Got answer: |
| 17:52.54 | adalal | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 7817 |
| 17:52.54 | adalal | ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
| 17:52.55 | adalal | ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available |
| 17:53.08 | lcukx200_ | i noticed that some places accept big icons |
| 17:53.10 | angasule | greap, gpe calendar doesn't have a working bugzilla |
| 17:53.11 | lcukx200_ | and others dont |
| 17:53.28 | RST38h | wonders what makes people ping repositories long after these people have been told that repositories are down |
| 17:53.32 | lcukx200_ | should file this after work |
| 17:53.34 | RST38h | Why not wait until the morning? |
| 17:54.03 | lcukx200_ | RST38h, "did you hear *RANDOMDOMAIN* is under DOS attack?" "really? f5f5f5f5f5 yeah you are right..." |
| 17:54.11 | adalal | RST38h: the repositories are supposed to be up by now lol |
| 17:54.13 | Wolfie | apt-get update on my updated scratchbox yields a lot of "302 found" messages, warning about that it can't stat source package lists on some repositories, finally failing at an error that it can't update some index files |
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| 17:54.25 | Wolfie | anyone have an idea what's going on? |
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| 17:54.37 | Jef91 | Wolfie - yep Nokia repos suck |
| 17:54.43 | Jef91 | Been down all morning |
| 17:54.52 | Wolfie | my esbox project can't be compiled, because the scratchbox update erased all qt4-libraries, so i'm pretty much stuck |
| 17:54.55 | Wolfie | ffs |
| 17:55.03 | lcukx200_ | Jef91, please refrain from saying they suck |
| 17:55.11 | adalal | Wolfie: either the repositories are down, or the DNS propagation has failed.. or not taken place yet |
| 17:55.13 | Wolfie | lcukx200_: they induce a low pressure? |
| 17:55.13 | lcukx200_ | they are being upgraded for your benefit |
| 17:55.18 | Jef91 | Wolfie - join the club. We have T-Shirts |
| 17:55.19 | mtnbkr | lcukx200_: re: DDOS attack lol |
| 17:55.48 | Wolfie | lcukx200_: so, it's a matter of waiting it out? thanks |
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| 17:55.52 | adalal | im surprised they dont have a fallback server |
| 17:55.53 | lcukx200_ | its gets worse when the web sites cotton on |
| 17:56.02 | lcukx200_ | "omg the massive DOS attack on *RANDOMDOMAIN* |
| 17:56.02 | odin_ | does anybody know anything about /usr/local/share/locale/ ? and how files like usr/local/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/xyz.mo work? thats gettext? glibc? |
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| 17:56.18 | adalal | btw, anyone knows where the nokia ringtone is stored? |
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| 17:56.25 | lcukx200_ | yes Wolfie |
| 17:56.31 | woglinde_ | odin_ gettext makes the .mo |
| 17:56.32 | lcukx200_ | it will all be better soon :) |
| 17:56.46 | lcukx200_ | where can i get the tutorial applet from |
| 17:56.48 | woglinde_ | and your libintl implementation makes it work |
| 17:57.02 | woglinde_ | glibc/eglibc has its own libintl |
| 17:57.09 | woglinde_ | so the one from gettext ist not used |
| 17:57.28 | woglinde_ | but why is it in usr/local? |
| 17:57.31 | odin_ | adalal, /home/user/.local/share/sounds/NokiaTune.aac.wav ?? |
| 17:57.40 | adalal | i'll check |
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| 17:57.50 | woglinde_ | hm |
| 17:57.59 | woglinde_ | whats now wrong with garage |
| 17:58.17 | lcukx200_ | prolly the same as other stuff |
| 17:58.20 | Jef91 | woglinde_ garage was working for me as of a half out ago |
| 17:58.21 | odin_ | woglinde_, why should it not be in /usr/local/ ? ok I need to know how to instruct glibc to search /usr/local/share/locale for those files |
| 17:58.26 | woglinde_ | Jef91 right |
| 17:58.29 | woglinde_ | for me too |
| 17:58.30 | woglinde_ | but now |
| 17:59.07 | Jef91 | Doesn't Nokia know there are lots of nerds with nothing better to do on a Saturday morning other than dev for their platform? |
| 17:59.20 | lcukx200_ | then dev |
| 17:59.20 | Jef91 | They should really do these updates during the week |
| 17:59.22 | villager | the maemo.org domain has no working dns server, so garage is going to be unavailable as well |
| 17:59.28 | mtnbkr | wishes the phone would flip from landscape to portait f-a-s-t-e-r after a call |
| 17:59.32 | woglinde_ | Jef91 I fear tjere is more wrong |
| 17:59.38 | lcukx200_ | Jef91, in case you hadnt noticed, this week has been VERY busy |
| 17:59.54 | odin_ | dig @ns.nokia.com. maemo.org. (this works for me right now) |
| 18:00.08 | woglinde_ | here too |
| 18:00.10 | woglinde_ | Name: maemo.org |
| 18:00.11 | woglinde_ | Address: 80.248.164.250 |
| 18:00.54 | smps | adalal, http://pastebin.com/dc8ae84f |
| 18:01.07 | villager | hmm, okay, just repository that isn't on the dns then |
| 18:01.23 | Jef91 | Busy, broken... You know - whatever |
| 18:01.31 | mtnbkr | sweet! xchat for maemo is now avail! |
| 18:01.43 | woglinde_ | mtnbkr??? now |
| 18:01.44 | Jef91 | mtnbkr - I've been using it for the last week or so ;) |
| 18:01.54 | woglinde_ | its there since nov |
| 18:01.56 | woglinde_ | or so |
| 18:02.00 | Mozillion | except it's in the repositories which are unreachable |
| 18:02.05 | Jef91 | Although the 1.1 firmware update fixed my VGB crashes |
| 18:02.08 | Mozillion | :P |
| 18:02.16 | mtnbkr | just noticed it on the maemo.org/downloads "fresh" section :) |
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| 18:06.20 | torindel | mtnbkr: for some time now |
| 18:06.31 | torindel | it was in either devel or testing |
| 18:06.55 | woglinde | vote up and promotion |
| 18:07.13 | woglinde | hm I am little bit pissed now about maemo.org |
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| 18:08.06 | zeev | what is the command line name of the File Manager? |
| 18:08.36 | dvoid_ | zzzz soon maybe soon n900 will finaly be available in sweden ;) \o/ |
| 18:08.57 | Elerion | I can't access maemo and nokia repositories with my gprs connection. When using different provider over wifi they work. Everything was working fine 5 days ago. Is it possible my provider is on some blacklist or something? |
| 18:09.22 | ShadowJK_ | maemo repositories work for nobody right now |
| 18:09.46 | torindel | Elerion: dns'es changed and they havent propagated yet |
| 18:09.55 | pupnik_ | i leeched like 300 MB today. shouldn't we have a donations thing for it? |
| 18:10.25 | odin_ | well don't we donate enough with patches/packages and bug fixes ? |
| 18:10.27 | torindel | Elerion: p.s. some people here might want working repositories.maemo.org ip ;p |
| 18:10.39 | Elerion | oh ok. i was thinking conspiracy theory. :-) tnx |
| 18:10.39 | odin_ | I'm sure Nokia can buy bandwidth cheaper than the rest of us ! |
| 18:10.50 | Kamui | lol 2012!!! |
| 18:10.55 | torindel | Elerion: in about 72h it should be all ok |
| 18:10.58 | Kamui | get to denver airport! |
| 18:11.09 | adalal | odin_: lol, im sure they could get it even if it were available at a premium |
| 18:11.13 | pupnik_ | everyone should do spinal tap codpieces when flying |
| 18:12.05 | lo__ | 72h???? usually ttl are set to 4h. 72h is just crazy |
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| 18:12.27 | adalal | wait |
| 18:12.30 | adalal | not 72h |
| 18:12.30 | arachnist | 4h? |
| 18:12.31 | adalal | 7200 |
| 18:12.40 | arachnist | TTL is usually set to 1h |
| 18:12.47 | lo__ | or 1h yes |
| 18:12.59 | adalal | it's set to 7200 seconds, i suppose? |
| 18:13.29 | adalal | which is 2 hours |
| 18:13.33 | lo__ | or 20mn in case of dns hijacking.. |
| 18:13.56 | Kamui | anyone else notice after pr1.1 that firfox is actually useable, dare i even say fast?!?!? |
| 18:13.59 | dvoid_ | is there any simple to setup maemo emulator i could try? to get a better feel for the os before buying a n900? |
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| 18:14.27 | adalal | are there any maemo rep mirrors? |
| 18:14.32 | Kamui | lol. get the sdk and scratchbox dvoid |
| 18:14.42 | Kamui | wont give you a good feel for anything though |
| 18:14.56 | woglinde | Kamui firefox? |
| 18:15.03 | Kamui | obviously no hardware accel and the wm is compositing |
| 18:15.08 | Kamui | woglinde yes |
| 18:15.08 | adalal | Kamui: it does seem faster |
| 18:15.23 | adalal | still not as smooth |
| 18:15.35 | Elerion | dvoid: or just buy it. you'll not regret it. |
| 18:15.40 | adalal | a webkit based browser would be better i suppose |
| 18:16.10 | adalal | Kamui: still takes up a lot of memory |
| 18:16.27 | Kamui | adalal, before it was purely unusable. now i can actually read maemo.org without studdering. |
| 18:16.38 | lo__ | the thing is.. the old ip is not answering. if at least it was giving a simple rst/ack my device would not hang.. |
| 18:16.57 | lo__ | lol they are funny at nokia |
| 18:17.11 | odin_ | does anyone have a beagle board? |
| 18:17.50 | Elerion | btw what's the new IP of repository.maemo.org? |
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| 18:18.07 | timeless_mbp | Kamui: where did you get firefox? |
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| 18:18.26 | adalal | timeless_mbp: it's in the repository |
| 18:18.44 | adalal | Elerion: dont think anyone here knows it just yet... i can't even say if they're up |
| 18:19.15 | adalal | Elerion: i wanted to update my dns records a long time ago as well |
| 18:19.18 | Kamui | timeless. the repo from mozilla |
| 18:19.41 | timeless_mbp | kicks mozilla for their stupid brand confusion |
| 18:20.19 | _claesbas_ | timeless, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/ |
| 18:20.22 | adalal | Kamui: for the mozilla repository, what did you put down as the distribution? |
| 18:20.30 | timeless_mbp | _claesbas_: i'm well aware of what it is |
| 18:20.31 | _claesbas_ | timeless, download page for firefox for n900 |
| 18:20.49 | timeless_mbp | it's just very hard to know which of 3 products people mean when they say firefox |
| 18:21.15 | adalal | isn't firefox for mobile known as fennec? |
| 18:21.43 | timeless_mbp | adalal: officially fennec was a codename |
| 18:21.45 | _claesbas_ | that link was to the download page for firefox mobile for n900 the /m/ |
| 18:21.54 | _claesbas_ | it adds the repo |
| 18:22.04 | timeless_mbp | but in practice 'fennec' has the advantage of not being confusing |
| 18:22.08 | timeless_mbp | it isn't ambiguous |
| 18:22.11 | Elerion | OK. I'm so thrilled with with this n900, i hardly can leave it alone for more then 30 minutes. :-) |
| 18:22.20 | timeless_mbp | unlike 'firefox' which could mean: firefox, fennec, or microb |
| 18:22.30 | timeless_mbp | depending on how ignorant the person speaking is |
| 18:22.33 | adalal | lol |
| 18:22.42 | timeless_mbp | and diving that without asking them is pretty much impossible |
| 18:23.12 | pupnik_ | what about it is exciting you most right now, Elerion ? |
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| 18:24.00 | dev91 | hi |
| 18:24.12 | torindel | hihi |
| 18:24.31 | adalal | hello |
| 18:24.34 | dev91 | does anyone know if there's a maemo app to controll which services start upon boot? |
| 18:24.56 | adalal | commandline? |
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| 18:25.32 | timeless_mbp | dev91: i think there's a control panel item that can let you break your system that way |
| 18:25.39 | timeless_mbp | if you're suitably inclined and insane |
| 18:25.48 | Elerion | New apps keep popping up every hour, I've been configuring easy-deb-chroot to a deskop grade system. Lot's of fun. |
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| 18:27.04 | dev91_ | sorry, for some reason this stoped responding.. |
| 18:27.52 | adalal | and so did his client along with it :S |
| 18:27.55 | v2px_ | all repos are down for me |
| 18:27.56 | dev91_ | I was saying, I'm looking for an app to controll which services start upon boot, like sshd and lighttpd |
| 18:28.05 | dev91_ | same here. I can't update anything !!! |
| 18:28.16 | mfinkle | Kamui: yeah, fennec does seem faster after pr1.1 |
| 18:28.28 | dev91_ | It's apain, because I decided to reflash my n800... |
| 18:29.18 | sp3000 | timeless, bug 8117 comment 3 :) |
| 18:29.21 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8117 Browser doesn't show progress indicator when user selects url from urlbar completion list |
| 18:29.39 | sp3000 | but yeah, that's one of teh more convenient str I've seen lately |
| 18:29.46 | SpeedEvil | dev91_: I frob /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 18:29.52 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: do you think that it makes sense to push non-nokia crash dumps using crash reporter? |
| 18:29.52 | adalal | does maemo6 use upstart? |
| 18:29.55 | SpeedEvil | dev91_: which is probably the wrong way to do it |
| 18:29.59 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: or are they thrown away? |
| 18:30.06 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: they aren't thrown away |
| 18:30.12 | timeless_mbp | we don't do much with them |
| 18:30.14 | timeless_mbp | but they don't die |
| 18:30.18 | RST38h | Ehehehe, Chinese start monitoring and censoring IM :))) |
| 18:30.31 | timeless_mbp | if you can send them somewhere more appropriate, that's obviously better |
| 18:30.47 | xorAxAx | crashreporter should grow that feature |
| 18:30.50 | timeless_mbp | but in theory if we were good guys (like microsoft), we'd notice when a third party app crashed a lot and contact the thrid party |
| 18:30.54 | xorAxAx | based on a control field :) |
| 18:31.00 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 18:31.08 | timeless_mbp | crash-reporter is kinda a waste of resources |
| 18:31.14 | xorAxAx | oh yes |
| 18:31.16 | timeless_mbp | they should have used bug-buddy or wahtever |
| 18:31.35 | dev91_ | SpeedEvil: ? there's no /etc/event.d/.. on OS2008 |
| 18:31.37 | sp3000 | how would it be better in practise? |
| 18:32.10 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: i used um, news.google.com iirc |
| 18:32.17 | timeless_mbp | his steps worked perfectly |
| 18:32.35 | SpeedEvil | dev91_: oops. Sorry. |
| 18:32.44 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: in theory bug-buddy was control field awaer |
| 18:32.46 | timeless_mbp | s/aer/are/ |
| 18:32.48 | SpeedEvil | dev91_: Sorry - there should really be #maemo5 - but... |
| 18:32.51 | xorAxAx | WTF, rootsh is broken? |
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| 18:33.14 | xorAxAx | pins the old version |
| 18:33.22 | rd | Can the N900 tell how much data was transfered over the cell phone connection? |
| 18:33.28 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:33.46 | rd | how? |
| 18:33.46 | SpeedEvil | rd: search the repos for 'gprs-data-applet' or something similarly named |
| 18:33.52 | sp3000 | timeless, your comment lacks version information :) |
| 18:33.52 | SpeedEvil | that's a desktop widget |
| 18:34.00 | sp3000 | wfm, anyhow |
| 18:34.00 | rd | SpeedEvil: many thanks |
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| 18:34.05 | SpeedEvil | rd: otherwise there is a meter somewhere in settings |
| 18:34.09 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: it was just a fun comment |
| 18:34.14 | timeless_mbp | i was mostly rewriting the summary |
| 18:34.27 | adalal | SpeedEvil: i thought the repos were down |
| 18:34.31 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: but you know me, i'm not moving from 51-1 until someone gives me a *really* good reason |
| 18:34.36 | woglinde | re |
| 18:34.39 | SpeedEvil | adalal: ah - well - apart from that... |
| 18:34.57 | rd | SpeedEvil: I searched for the settings meter, but I did not find that one. |
| 18:35.15 | SpeedEvil | tries to work out where his n900 is. |
| 18:35.21 | adalal | rd: the repositories are down atm |
| 18:35.40 | SpeedEvil | bash.org ++ |
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| 18:35.42 | pupnik_ | anybody find how to disable xprot and limit volume in PA? |
| 18:35.52 | SpeedEvil | 'it responds to pings - I just can't find it' |
| 18:36.09 | rd | adalal: thanks. |
| 18:36.16 | Trizt | Hmm... my login don't seem to be valid at the bugzilla anymore |
| 18:36.22 | rd | Is personal-gprs-mon the right one? |
| 18:36.46 | SpeedEvil | rd: that sounds like it |
| 18:36.54 | dev91 | Does anyone still use the 770 model? what's the "best" firmware for it? |
| 18:36.55 | arachnist | hi |
| 18:37.22 | Trizt | Seems someone has deleted my account, thanks for that |
| 18:37.39 | andre__ | Trizt, ? I don't think so. |
| 18:37.45 | rd | dev91: I use it with the last officially released fw |
| 18:37.54 | andre__ | Accounts cannot be deleted. Just disabled. And if so, you see a message why. |
| 18:37.57 | arachnist | what do i have to do to get maemo updated on my N900? the 'about product' says it's still 42-11, but "update" in the app manager doesn't show any upgrades |
| 18:38.01 | SpeedEvil | Trizt: there are reported problems with the sites aTM |
| 18:38.02 | pupnik_ | i want a fm scanner that can detect the most empty channel... |
| 18:38.13 | andre__ | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/ |
| 18:38.16 | arachnist | apt-get dist-upgrade also doesn't say it wants to update any packages |
| 18:38.23 | Trizt | andre__; it says there is no such account when I try to reset password |
| 18:38.42 | andre__ | Trizt, can you post your account ID in a private message please? |
| 18:38.43 | Trizt | SpeedEvil; okey, thanks |
| 18:38.47 | SpeedEvil | rd: personal dataplan monitor - it appears in 'details' of apps |
| 18:38.47 | dev91 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:38.53 | andre__ | Note that Bugmail does not work currently due to http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/ . |
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| 18:39.21 | lcuk | hiya andre__ |
| 18:39.24 | andre__ | hi |
| 18:39.28 | Trizt | andre__; so when is it expected to work again? |
| 18:39.35 | andre__ | Trizt, when it's fixed. |
| 18:40.12 | Trizt | so it prevents you to login to the bugzilla too? |
| 18:40.29 | andre__ | Trizt, no. |
| 18:40.29 | andre__ | that's why I asked you for your ID. |
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| 18:40.29 | andre__ | so I can check. |
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| 18:40.47 | xorAxAx | WTF |
| 18:40.48 | xorAxAx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.48 | xorAxAx | # operators do not have any firewall for cellular traffic. The idea |
| 18:40.48 | xorAxAx | # here is that by disabling ping replies, the other end might stop |
| 18:40.48 | xorAxAx | # flooding us junk which in turn will save power. |
| 18:40.51 | andre__ | you can comment in Bugzilla. But you will not receive Bugmail. Which is... unfortunate. ;-) |
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| 18:46.25 | rd | dev91: sip calls did never work well for me |
| 18:46.57 | rd | dev91: there is a gizmo sip application, I guess if you register with gizmo that might work |
| 18:46.57 | adalal | arachnist: repositories are down/dns have not propagated |
| 18:47.13 | rd | dev91: with googletalk (jabber) you can chat and talk |
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| 18:47.42 | adalal | sip calls work amazing for me.. i have a couple of betamax accounts |
| 18:47.56 | adalal | and im priced £0.005/min to the US... and all :P |
| 18:48.10 | rd | adalal: on the 770? |
| 18:48.25 | adalal | n900 |
| 18:48.38 | rd | that makes a difference ;-) |
| 18:48.39 | adalal | hmm |
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| 18:49.37 | arachnist | adalal: i thought that maemo.org repos were not the ones providing software updates, but the downloads.maemo.nokia.com were |
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| 18:49.47 | adalal | arachnist: those are working :S |
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| 18:50.06 | rd | SpeedEvil: > it appears in 'details' of apps .... is that in settings? |
| 18:50.15 | adalal | arachnist: but im not entirely sure... |
| 18:50.28 | rd | I have a german localization, i.e. I have to match the strings ;-) |
| 18:50.41 | tingeltangel | hi. did the repos change ? |
| 18:50.50 | SpeedEvil | rd: app-manager - uninstall - view details |
| 18:51.07 | SpeedEvil | tingeltangel: yes. |
| 18:51.10 | SpeedEvil | tingeltangel: from working to broken |
| 18:51.36 | tingeltangel | lol |
| 18:51.52 | Jef91 | anyone know if the repos are back up yet? |
| 18:52.03 | SpeedEvil | See above answer. |
| 18:52.03 | rd | SpeedEvil: are you sure that this shows how much data accumulated went over a UMTS/GPRS connection? |
| 18:52.09 | tingeltangel | just tested :) |
| 18:52.17 | tingeltangel | still down |
| 18:52.30 | Jef91 | thanks tingeltangel |
| 18:52.32 | SpeedEvil | rd: it purports to, and seemed to be moderately accurate when I checked. |
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| 18:53.13 | tingeltangel | np Jef91 |
| 18:53.25 | adalal | dont think the repositories will be up b4 monday.. getting people to work on saturday evenings and sundays would be ahrd |
| 18:53.25 | andre__ | tingeltangel: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/ |
| 18:53.25 | adalal | hard* |
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| 18:54.18 | Jef91 | adalal - very true. Still makes me, a sad panda at any rate. |
| 18:54.55 | tingeltangel | thx andre__ |
| 18:55.20 | Trizt | hope that the bt/wifi bug would be fixed in next release, but guess that is too much to hope for |
| 18:55.32 | tingeltangel | andre__ r you from germany ? |
| 18:56.10 | andre__ | tingeltangel: I have a German ID card |
| 18:56.32 | tingeltangel | lol |
| 18:56.57 | andre__ | "from" always confuses me. yes, I was born there and lived a part of my life there :-P |
| 18:57.44 | tingeltangel | k :) thought you could be that andre who ported kismet ... |
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| 18:57.59 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: thank elisa.fi for that |
| 18:57.59 | andre__ | tingeltangel, nope, I'm out :) |
| 18:58.21 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: for what? :) |
| 18:58.34 | SpeedEvil | ponders posting to TMO that the repos are down as the n900 is not being supported anymore. |
| 18:58.47 | woglinde | speedevil *g* |
| 18:58.51 | andre__ | :-D |
| 18:58.56 | tingeltangel | hehe |
| 18:58.56 | timeless_mbp | the icmp stuff |
| 18:59.06 | timeless_mbp | elisa is among the operators which has no firewall |
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| 18:59.20 | timeless_mbp | it means you can ssh into most n900s that have sshd on them on elisa's network.. |
| 18:59.35 | SpeedEvil | Neat. |
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| 18:59.46 | SpeedEvil | I'd like the option to turn my firewall/NAT on and off. |
| 18:59.56 | SpeedEvil | (on the 3G side) |
| 18:59.59 | ifreq | cool to run sshd on a mobile phone.. (not) |
| 19:00.02 | SpeedEvil | 2G/3G side |
| 19:00.07 | ifreq | you can make sshd to listen on home private LAN |
| 19:00.13 | SpeedEvil | Why isn't it cool? |
| 19:00.16 | ifreq | if you really need to run such daemons |
| 19:00.31 | adalal | well,, sshd let's ur login from a desktop... which i do |
| 19:00.51 | ifreq | SpeedEvil: well i bet most users dont change pass and have gainroot enabled |
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| 19:01.08 | ifreq | its quite fast bye bye to phone if someone really wants to do some harm to your phone |
| 19:01.12 | SpeedEvil | ifreq: well - yes. But the install ssh package I saw asks you to pick a password |
| 19:01.31 | ifreq | ah yeh. hope they choose good ones. |
| 19:01.48 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: data:text/html,<frameset><frame src="http://bugs.maemo.org/"> and make a diagonal pan flick |
| 19:01.55 | ifreq | SpeedEvil: i would rather run it over private lan ip if ive must :) |
| 19:01.57 | adalal | ifreq: you have to choose a password when you install openssh server |
| 19:02.02 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: typing is hard |
| 19:02.18 | ifreq | adalal: yes i understood it from SpeedEvils answer thank you. |
| 19:02.24 | gevaerts | has key authentication only on his phone |
| 19:02.39 | adalal | lol, didn't see it |
| 19:02.41 | timeless_mbp | much better |
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| 19:03.39 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: do i need a certain font size? |
| 19:03.50 | evo | umm, how to tell file manager to show hidden files/directories too? |
| 19:04.06 | timeless_mbp | evo: get another file manager |
| 19:04.12 | *** join/#maemo Empero (i=empero@ui.fi) |
| 19:04.13 | timeless_mbp | it isn't a hackable app |
| 19:04.15 | *** join/#maemo LuciusMare (n=LuciusMa@gprs19.vodafone.cz) |
| 19:04.21 | evo | timeless_mbp: heh, ok |
| 19:04.31 | timeless_mbp | it's for end users, and you clearly don't qualify :) |
| 19:04.33 | LuciusMare | ohai,can i edit the buttons that are in down xterm's toolbar? |
| 19:04.40 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: I think I'm on large, but I doubt it should matter |
| 19:04.40 | goodwill | is lists.maemo.org being moved right now? |
| 19:04.49 | wazd_e63 | Reheya |
| 19:05.24 | timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: in n8x0 you could |
| 19:05.28 | timeless_mbp | the ui seems gone |
| 19:05.39 | Mozillion | I tried doing it on the n900 using gconf |
| 19:05.45 | Mozillion | but it doesn't seem to work very well |
| 19:05.50 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: anyhow a diagonal or horizontal flick makes the page run away ;) luckily the next pan brings it back to the cnostrained area |
| 19:05.52 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 19:06.01 | RST38h | how are things? |
| 19:06.07 | timeless_mbp | wfm 51-1 |
| 19:06.17 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: but pings arent evil or problematic |
| 19:06.19 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: anyhow bug 7942 wfm there so there must be something besides a frame going on there? |
| 19:06.19 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7942 selects in frameset do not work |
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| 19:06.26 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: ok, flood pings probably |
| 19:06.36 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: so.... |
| 19:06.48 | timeless_mbp | network traffic of any sort to a phone is POWER expensive |
| 19:06.53 | xorAxAx | nevertheless, you can DOS an n900 without pings |
| 19:07.00 | wazd_e63 | RsT38h: heading back to moscow :) |
| 19:07.03 | timeless_mbp | in fact, sporadic pings are probably WORSE than FLOODS |
| 19:07.44 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: in 51-1, w/o the frameset, the select works |
| 19:07.51 | timeless_mbp | w/ the frameset, the select doesn't work |
| 19:07.53 | RST38h | wazd: that was quick |
| 19:08.00 | timeless_mbp | i didn't spend the time testing something more complicated |
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| 19:08.06 | sp3000 | same in mine |
| 19:08.07 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 19:08.13 | timeless_mbp | but maemo. gotcha |
| 19:08.13 | sp3000 | but I was looking for something simpler :) |
| 19:08.15 | timeless_mbp | is slow |
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| 19:08.58 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.04 | timeless_mbp | the onchange looks interesting |
| 19:09.08 | timeless_mbp | we probably do something stupid |
| 19:09.16 | timeless_mbp | like blow away the frame document onclick |
| 19:09.39 | LuciusMare | noo,penguinbait. |
| 19:09.43 | sp3000 | yeah I was about to say |
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| 19:13.37 | sp3000 | wait, how many fricking levels of frames are there |
| 19:13.58 | wazd_e63 | Is autobuilder sane now btw? |
| 19:14.02 | sp3000 | whywaitforbooks.com -> frameset.html -> state.htm |
| 19:14.06 | woglinde | wazd I am trying |
| 19:14.16 | sp3000 | that one doesn't have any more frames ;) |
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| 19:14.26 | woglinde | wazd but dot seem so |
| 19:14.36 | woglinde | hangs at movining to autobuilder |
| 19:14.43 | sp3000 | the select foo already works on frameset.html |
| 19:14.55 | sp3000 | but not if that is framed |
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| 19:15.03 | wazd_e63 | Woglinde: well, it has 9 more hours to fix himself up) |
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| 19:16.34 | adalal | i can't logon to talk.maemo.org :S |
| 19:16.56 | adalal | is that account dependant on one of the failed servers?] |
| 19:17.20 | woglinde | adalal there is something wrong right |
| 19:17.32 | woglinde | but we will have until monday before it will be fixed |
| 19:17.44 | adalal | yeah, |
| 19:18.32 | goodwill | does anyone know when repository.maemo.org and lists.maemo.org is coming back? |
| 19:18.37 | X-Fade | adalal: Those servers are not related. |
| 19:18.46 | woglinde | uh |
| 19:18.48 | woglinde | he x-fade |
| 19:18.52 | woglinde | seens we are lucky |
| 19:18.56 | woglinde | seems |
| 19:18.57 | X-Fade | goodwill: hopefully soon, work is ongoing. |
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| 19:19.10 | woglinde | x-fade thanks ;) |
| 19:19.18 | X-Fade | woglinde: Yeah, this is how I want to spend my saturday evening.. |
| 19:19.21 | X-Fade | NOT |
| 19:19.27 | woglinde | sure |
| 19:19.32 | adalal | X-Fade: garage.maemo.org isn't responding to pings, and I think the accounts are hosted there... :S |
| 19:19.39 | woglinde | you should have travel again |
| 19:19.43 | wazd_e63 | X-Fade: yeah yeah :) |
| 19:19.46 | X-Fade | adalal: I think I should know that ;) |
| 19:20.17 | goodwill | garage.maemo.org is lightling speedy now |
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| 19:20.58 | timeless_mbp | kicks camino's urlbar |
| 19:21.03 | xorAxAx | does anybody have the repository.maemo.org IP? |
| 19:21.03 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, in case people are curious |
| 19:21.04 | adalal | X-Fade: well, my account is missing, says my username is invalid :S... |
| 19:21.14 | timeless_mbp | there is actually a web browser whose urlbar is *worse* than microb's! |
| 19:21.19 | X-Fade | adalal: talk and garage are not linked. |
| 19:21.54 | adalal | X-Fade: it isn't? clicking on register for a username on talk takes you to the garage.maemo.org registration page |
| 19:22.08 | X-Fade | adalal: no it doesn't. |
| 19:22.34 | adalal | that's odd, it just that for me :S |
| 19:22.44 | adalal | and now it's going to the talk.maemo.org registration page |
| 19:22.53 | goodwill | X-Fade: a stupid question ... is there a blog entry somewhere on the server move schedule? |
| 19:22.56 | X-Fade | adalal: maemo.org itself goes to garage. |
| 19:23.11 | X-Fade | goodwill: yes, check the planet or maemo.org/news/ |
| 19:23.12 | adalal | X-Fade: i am aware of that... :P |
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| 19:23.18 | timeless_mbp | oh neat/bad |
| 19:23.23 | timeless_mbp | i can read ui specs w/o a vpn |
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| 19:28.17 | timeless_mbp | oh brother |
| 19:28.25 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: ever used calendar? |
| 19:28.35 | X-Fade | Sure |
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| 19:28.47 | timeless_mbp | how many 'calendars' do you have in your calendar? |
| 19:29.15 | X-Fade | 3 |
| 19:29.44 | Elerion | did anyone think about porting UAE and/or Vice to Maemo 5? |
| 19:29.51 | timeless_mbp | brithdays, device, private? |
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| 19:30.03 | X-Fade | yes |
| 19:30.18 | timeless_mbp | have you ever added events with reminders? |
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| 19:30.27 | timeless_mbp | (birthday reminders count) |
| 19:30.27 | X-Fade | yes |
| 19:31.05 | timeless_mbp | have you ever used options>manage calendars (your string will be different if you aren't using enus1/engb1) |
| 19:31.33 | X-Fade | Settings/edit calendars ? |
| 19:31.36 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 19:32.40 | timeless_mbp | wonders what it says to the right of "Edit calendars" in the "Settings" dialog |
| 19:32.59 | X-Fade | 3 visible |
| 19:33.19 | PBeck | have anybody an idea why tracker index not my ogg files in .sounds? |
| 19:33.22 | PBeck | *has |
| 19:33.33 | timeless_mbp | ok, so, suppose you had a reminder in each of those 3 calendars scheduled for 30mins from now |
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| 19:33.44 | timeless_mbp | and you look at the month view |
| 19:33.56 | PBeck | i have deleted the database but ist ever the same |
| 19:34.06 | timeless_mbp | and find that there are too many annoying boxes on it, and you just want to see Birthdays and Private for a bit |
| 19:34.14 | timeless_mbp | based on "3 visible" |
| 19:34.28 | timeless_mbp | or rather "2 visible" since you've now made 3 into 2 |
| 19:34.39 | timeless_mbp | how many of those 3 reminders do you expect to encounter in 30mins? |
| 19:35.45 | timeless_mbp | (now made 3 into 2 by using settings>edit calendars and unchecking device ..) |
| 19:36.23 | X-Fade | Oh, Oh, Oh, I know that one ... |
| 19:36.25 | X-Fade | 2 |
| 19:36.38 | timeless_mbp | what part of 'visible' told you that? |
| 19:36.59 | timeless_mbp | note: i have no clue what actually happens |
| 19:37.02 | pupnik_ | it is fun watching maemo evolve |
| 19:37.04 | timeless_mbp | i've only read the spec |
| 19:37.11 | timeless_mbp | reading specs is unfair |
| 19:37.14 | Mozillion | hoo.. repository.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.237 :( |
| 19:37.17 | Mozillion | :) * |
| 19:37.19 | timeless_mbp | because it makes finding bugs like shooting fish in a barrel |
| 19:38.10 | Mozillion | ok, it's a resolve, but no response... false alarm |
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| 19:39.04 | timeless_mbp | pokes X-Fade |
| 19:39.11 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 19:39.24 | timeless_mbp | the way that the calendar shows "now" in week view leaves sanity to be desired |
| 19:40.00 | odin_ | ifreq, " well i bet most users dont change pass and have gainroot enabled" the SSH server installation forces you to set a new root pass (when installed from HAM at least) |
| 19:40.18 | ifreq | odin_: why you are reading my line but nothing to follow? |
| 19:40.33 | ifreq | ive seen same answer now twice. why the repeating? |
| 19:40.46 | timeless_mbp | ifreq: fwiw |
| 19:40.57 | ifreq | repeat is gold |
| 19:40.59 | timeless_mbp | internally the devs @nokia get a version of sshd which is just part of the device |
| 19:41.01 | ifreq | like on martial arts |
| 19:41.07 | timeless_mbp | so there's no "change password dialog" |
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| 19:41.23 | timeless_mbp | and we're on one of those service providers w/o a firewall |
| 19:41.42 | ifreq | yeah, tho you can run sshd on certain IP only |
| 19:41.52 | ifreq | or do you need to offer sshd services over 3G? |
| 19:42.02 | Trizt | Anyone know if those people who had problems with DC-11 and N900 not charging, has those issues been fixed? The bug/problem keeps me from buying one |
| 19:42.24 | timeless_mbp | ifreq: what part of "default configuration" is unclear? |
| 19:42.24 | GuySoft_nokia | hey, my garnet VM just stoped working, is it a demo?? or could it be a bug because of 210? |
| 19:42.28 | GuySoft_nokia | 2010* |
| 19:42.32 | ifreq | timeless_mbp: none. |
| 19:42.36 | timeless_mbp | ok. |
| 19:42.42 | xorAxAx | GuySoft_nokia: mine crashes quite quickyl |
| 19:42.46 | xorAxAx | GuySoft_nokia: not usable at all |
| 19:42.51 | ifreq | its not my issue either, was just commenting about stuff. |
| 19:42.56 | xorAxAx | GuySoft_nokia: on n900, though |
| 19:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray, "PR1.1 sux!" spam. |
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| 19:43.30 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: where? |
| 19:43.32 | GuySoft_nokia | it rocked here, i gotg planetarium to work on it. there is no app like that on any handheld device |
| 19:43.37 | timeless_mbp | doesn't get enough spam |
| 19:43.42 | Mozillion | rocking here too :P |
| 19:43.43 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Talk, where else? ;) |
| 19:43.51 | timeless_mbp | does-not-exist |
| 19:44.01 | timeless_mbp | repokes X-Fade |
| 19:44.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, that's the BT name of my N900. |
| 19:44.07 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: so, why did you pick 2? |
| 19:44.08 | Mozillion | I miss evolution's week view in most calendar apps, and also maemo5's |
| 19:44.09 | odin_ | ifreq, because I'd had not gotten to those lines yet |
| 19:44.13 | SpeedEvil | I suspect a planetarium app may be in the works for n900. |
| 19:44.15 | GuySoft_nokia | Mozillion, are you sure ? it says here "demo period over" |
| 19:44.34 | Mozillion | GuySoft_nokia: ? about what? |
| 19:44.41 | GuySoft_nokia | SpeedEvil, its a palmos app |
| 19:44.55 | xorAxAx | GuySoft_nokia: which version are you using? |
| 19:45.01 | GuySoft_nokia | Mozillion, garnet palmos that is |
| 19:45.18 | SpeedEvil | GuySoft: xephem |
| 19:45.20 | Mozillion | GuySoft_nokia: I was not saying anything about it |
| 19:45.48 | GuySoft_nokia | xorAxAx, i think the laetest, i got it a few months ago |
| 19:46.12 | xorAxAx | GuySoft_nokia: check |
| 19:46.13 | goodwill | can a standard user PM on talk.maemo.org? |
| 19:46.25 | goodwill | I seems to be lacking that capability |
| 19:46.45 | GuySoft_nokia | SpeedEvil, xephem is not as good as planetarium . its database and interface are better |
| 19:47.24 | SpeedEvil | UI would need some tweaks |
| 19:47.38 | GeneralAntilles | goodwill, you need 3, 5, 7 or 10 posts or something like that. |
| 19:47.39 | GuySoft_nokia | xorAxAx, hang on, will try in the package manager . it will not open anymore |
| 19:48.29 | GuySoft_nokia | waits for apt to go over its database |
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| 19:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, have you pushed your patches upstream for FBReader? |
| 19:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | finds it hilarious that one of the Fremantle Stars had to wait for a random community dev to step in and clean it up. |
| 19:51.20 | GuySoft_nokia | xorAxAx, version 1.0.3b garnet-vm |
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| 19:52.26 | Guest72108 | GuySoft_nokia: you work for nokia? |
| 19:52.45 | GuySoft_nokia | GuySoft, lol, no not at all |
| 19:53.23 | GuySoft_nokia | the nick is because of my nokia N810 |
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| 19:53.44 | GuySoft_nokia | its just to explain my typos |
| 19:54.02 | timeless_mbp | GuySoft: please use _n810 instead |
| 19:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | GuySoft, s/nokia/N810/ |
| 19:54.10 | timeless_mbp | konttori_nokia actually works for nokia |
| 19:54.16 | konttori | timeless: apropos do you see any issues in optification of the browser? |
| 19:54.18 | zerojay | It's kind of convention here. |
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| 19:54.32 | SpeedEvil | GuySoft: works OK - but only in portrait mode. |
| 19:54.35 | evo | god, the more I use N900 the more I love it ... I'm becoming addicted I think :) |
| 19:54.46 | timeless_mbp | so your nick is confusing |
| 19:54.57 | SpeedEvil | GuySoft: and stylus only |
| 19:54.59 | timeless_mbp | konttori: other than it potentially slowing down maps |
| 19:55.04 | timeless_mbp | which is already a disaster? |
| 19:55.53 | konttori | timeless_mbp: not anymore |
| 19:55.56 | konttori | test latest pr1.2 |
| 19:56.11 | w00t | heh |
| 19:56.18 | w00t | maps no longer a disaster? woo |
| 19:56.35 | SpeedEvil | How many 1.1 testers were there - and where were htey slected from? |
| 19:56.42 | Trizt | konttori; is there a "changelog" for pr1.2 which we normal mortals can peek at? |
| 19:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | Until Maps has a UI that isn't a spit in the face to the HIG, it's gonna suck. |
| 19:56.52 | lo__ | is it possible to control media player from command line, like go to next track? |
| 19:57.02 | konttori | Trizt: there will be once pr1.2 is out |
| 19:57.21 | Trizt | konttori; I hate to wait |
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| 19:57.32 | konttori | GeneralAntilles: by they way, how would you feel if we started calling these releases maemo 5.0, 5.0.1 and 5.1? |
| 19:57.38 | Trizt | too much waiting when it comes to maemo |
| 19:57.49 | sp3000 | giggles at the troll on ari's blog: "None of the important applications work well (listed below) ... No MMS (i dont care)" |
| 19:58.05 | blandar | link SpeedEvil ? |
| 19:58.07 | konttori | sure. by the way, looks like we'll make intermediate release between 1.1 and 1.2 |
| 19:58.08 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: url |
| 19:58.09 | blandar | sp3000: |
| 19:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, PR1.0, PR1.0.1, and PR1.1, you mean? |
| 19:58.17 | SpeedEvil | blandar: ? |
| 19:58.18 | sp3000 | is somewhat amused by the exciting combination of "important" and "dont care" |
| 19:58.22 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, probably be more sensible. |
| 19:58.27 | timeless_mbp | konttori: 5.*.* would be wonderful |
| 19:58.30 | Trizt | konttori; how many? one, two, ten? |
| 19:58.42 | sp3000 | timeless, http://www.google.fi/search?q=ari+blog silly |
| 19:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | Trizt, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&target_milestone=5.0%2B&&resolution=FIXED |
| 19:58.45 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: hopefully only one |
| 19:58.53 | sp3000 | :P |
| 19:59.01 | GeneralAntilles | Trizt, that's sort of mostly accurate now. |
| 19:59.04 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: the browser and something else have some fixes pending |
| 19:59.12 | timeless_mbp | which management wants sooner than "5.1" |
| 19:59.15 | timeless_mbp | err "5.2" |
| 19:59.17 | timeless_mbp | whatever |
| 19:59.17 | Trizt | GeneralAntilles; thanks |
| 19:59.18 | GeneralAntilles | Trizt, andre__ set correct milestones for most of the 51-1 bugs. |
| 19:59.27 | konttori | timeless_mbp: product management also likes it after patrik flykt suggested it |
| 19:59.30 | frals | man adding new features is so much more fun than refactoring old code... |
| 19:59.45 | timeless_mbp | konttori: patrik++ |
| 19:59.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully a fix for the broken UPnP video streaming might also make it. |
| 20:00.04 | lcukx200_ | konttori++ on the versioning |
| 20:00.09 | timeless_mbp | konttori: hey |
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| 20:00.11 | Trizt | nice, 3941 fixed |
| 20:00.15 | evo | GeneralAntilles: thanks for the link, #5634 fixed, yay! |
| 20:00.19 | timeless_mbp | create an alarm in calendar for 10:05pm w/ a reminder @time of event |
| 20:00.25 | blandar | did you see ftp sharing app on ovi? |
| 20:00.29 | timeless_mbp | (give it a name and save it) |
| 20:00.34 | timeless_mbp | when it fires, tap the view button |
| 20:00.46 | lcukx200_ | finally gets 5 minutes to liqbase before packing |
| 20:00.56 | pekuja | blandar: I was pretty excited about that, but then realized it probably doesn't do SFTP. |
| 20:01.13 | blandar | my site uses normal ftp |
| 20:01.16 | pekuja | and I'm not using FTP |
| 20:01.19 | konttori | timeless_mbp: Cannot do it. My device is reserved by my wife for angrybirds. |
| 20:01.24 | pekuja | normal FTP isn't very secure |
| 20:01.27 | blandar | also youtube uploader ftw |
| 20:01.28 | timeless_mbp | konttori: lol |
| 20:01.33 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: please try |
| 20:01.55 | timeless_mbp | oh, after saving the event, scroll your week view to the bottom of the day |
| 20:02.07 | pekuja | yes, that one I installed |
| 20:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, so, when do I get to tell andre__ I'm actually psychic? ;) |
| 20:03.19 | konttori | GeneralAntilles: about what? |
| 20:03.27 | blandar | wow OGL ES 1.1 ! |
| 20:03.30 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, the new version numbers. |
| 20:03.36 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, but I thought *I* am the person unable to communicate with normal users :-P |
| 20:03.48 | konttori | oh. well, they are not approved way of working yet |
| 20:03.54 | konttori | I really hope they will be though |
| 20:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, damn. |
| 20:04.06 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping? |
| 20:04.13 | sp3000 | yeah, you totally can't use those :P |
| 20:04.19 | konttori | I think they will be as everybody likes the idea (even internally) |
| 20:04.19 | dmj726 | hi KamuiN900 |
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| 20:04.42 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong |
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| 20:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, what TMs do you want on bmo? |
| 20:05.09 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: so, what should be wrong |
| 20:05.23 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: when i do that, the calendar scrolls up |
| 20:05.31 | timeless_mbp | so i can't see the event i asked to 'view' |
| 20:05.32 | sp3000 | when? |
| 20:05.38 | sp3000 | the event opens |
| 20:05.43 | timeless_mbp | after the alarm fires and i click view and then click back |
| 20:05.45 | timeless_mbp | i think |
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| 20:05.58 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: TMs? |
| 20:06.06 | sp3000 | yes, the week view is annoying and scrolls to the topmost thing in your week all the time |
| 20:06.08 | GeneralAntilles | Target Milestones |
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| 20:06.13 | Jaffa | Ah |
| 20:06.23 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: For Maemo? |
| 20:06.30 | sp3000 | which is great because I have a bus or two marked at around 1am on tues |
| 20:06.35 | sp3000 | this week |
| 20:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | 0.0.2, 0.0.3, 0.0.4, 0.0.5? |
| 20:06.49 | Jaffa | "Soon", "We'll see", "You'll be lucky", "Month of Sundays", "Ha, buy the next device" |
| 20:06.51 | sp3000 | so every time I open week view I get something useless :) |
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| 20:07.04 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: awesome |
| 20:07.09 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: After 0.0.5, I'm thinking 0.6.0 |
| 20:07.23 | sp3000 | it probably should do something in the ballpark of "now" |
| 20:07.27 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 20:07.28 | redeeman | what is the default password for "secure device" ? |
| 20:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, OK, done. |
| 20:07.38 | timeless_mbp | for some reason my engb1 strings are better than my enus1 strings |
| 20:07.39 | frals | 12345 afaik |
| 20:07.42 | sp3000 | or, "next event from now" |
| 20:07.46 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Ta |
| 20:08.07 | redeeman | frals: yeah thanks |
| 20:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, by the way, I switched the theme to Nseries, rebooted and I'm still stuck with the orange category icons. |
| 20:08.24 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: well, ok, it doesn't scroll to the top when you select a thing in the week view and go back |
| 20:08.29 | nedko | what pc software i need in order to synchronize my contacts via bluetooth? |
| 20:08.32 | sp3000 | so not quite always ;) |
| 20:08.34 | RevdKathy | You guys with calendar issues might contibute here: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/improving_the_calendar_in_n900/ |
| 20:08.42 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: but it does from the alarm form? |
| 20:08.55 | nedko | what pc software i need in order to synchronize my contacts via bluetooth or wireless? |
| 20:08.56 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: most of us don't believe in brainstorm |
| 20:09.10 | RevdKathy | LOL so why do we have it? |
| 20:09.20 | Stskeeps | random question for the finns, is the strike still going on in luggage handling in HEL? |
| 20:09.24 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: fwiw solution2 is wrong |
| 20:09.29 | frals | hey, two of my brainstorms have been "successful" |
| 20:09.30 | sp3000 | yeah I dunno why it decided to reset it even with the view already open |
| 20:09.32 | GeneralAntilles | Though we'd have more managerial investment. . . . |
| 20:09.35 | timeless_mbp | if the event is <15mins away |
| 20:09.39 | timeless_mbp | it won't default to 15mins :) |
| 20:09.45 | frals | one for harmattan and one i started to develop myself... :P |
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| 20:10.00 | RevdKathy | Really? I'll take your word for that |
| 20:10.07 | goodwill | quick question |
| 20:10.08 | Trizt | I don't understand why you can't set CET as your timezone, I hate those city/country things |
| 20:10.08 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: fwiw I would somewhat expect it to default to something <15min |
| 20:10.15 | sp3000 | in that case |
| 20:10.20 | sp3000 | but, shruggery |
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| 20:10.43 | goodwill | I could have sworn that the unlock screen (the one where you enter a numeric password) should have emergency calls button |
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| 20:10.52 | jerhum | Hello |
| 20:10.57 | jerhum | some people here :) |
| 20:11.04 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: well, the only options i get are no reminder and at time of event |
| 20:11.08 | jerhum | you know if i have french channel ? |
| 20:11.10 | sp3000 | Trizt, well, time is political and changes at a whim |
| 20:11.13 | timeless_mbp | (your strings will vary if you aren't using enus1, why aren't you?) |
| 20:11.25 | RevdKathy | Right - I'll edit to include that |
| 20:11.45 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: believe me, i'm not saying calendar does anything right |
| 20:11.49 | sp3000 | Trizt, so having resolution at least to political entity level can come in handy |
| 20:12.01 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at maemo.org logo abuse. |
| 20:12.01 | timeless_mbp | and i wish someone from nokia would publish the ui specs so you could tare them to shreds |
| 20:12.08 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: by nokia? :) |
| 20:12.10 | Trizt | sp3000; republican time? |
| 20:12.11 | sp3000 | you could argue that at this time cet could be close enough, but, you never know ;) |
| 20:12.13 | RevdKathy | I find calendar coud be a lot better |
| 20:12.25 | sp3000 | Trizt, heh |
| 20:12.31 | sp3000 | not that kind of entity :D |
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| 20:12.34 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, by bloggers and by Ovi Store application developers. |
| 20:12.35 | Trizt | :) |
| 20:12.46 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: the calendar could be a lot worse too :) |
| 20:12.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://sygic.com/ http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 20:13.04 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles are you allowed to send CnD letters? :) |
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| 20:13.12 | RevdKathy | I've used worse. But I've used better |
| 20:13.25 | Trizt | but people who don't live in the capital of a country don't like to have the capital as the town, they rather in that case have the town where they are as the town, at least that the case among those I know who can't use CET |
| 20:13.57 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: sp3000 and i spent hours trying to get the world map fixed |
| 20:13.57 | lcuk | baaaas @ RevdKathy |
| 20:14.08 | timeless_mbp | there are huge issues w/ adding map points to the map |
| 20:14.17 | timeless_mbp | it makes it a royal pain to actually get what you want or search for it |
| 20:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, last I heard, Nokia owns the maemo.org trademark (which goes against my understanding of the situation from 2008), so, doubtful. |
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| 20:14.29 | timeless_mbp | if you don't like your country's captial, get a new country |
| 20:14.36 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; I would have been happy with a drop down list :P |
| 20:14.39 | RevdKathy | baaas back at lcuk |
| 20:14.47 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: there is a drop down |
| 20:14.53 | timeless_mbp | it just only lists the bits we have :) |
| 20:14.58 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; but then I get a hour wrong with the time |
| 20:15.13 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: technically you can edit the map data file and add entries for the time zones |
| 20:15.20 | timeless_mbp | there are only like 30-50 time zones to add |
| 20:15.49 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; can I do it myself on my phone? or this something you need to do before compiling? |
| 20:15.50 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: what locale are you using? |
| 20:15.59 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: on your phone |
| 20:16.05 | timeless_mbp | i can give you a package which demos the idea |
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| 20:16.32 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; en_GB mostly and some sv_SE |
| 20:17.07 | frals | ponders if what RevdKathy and lcuk is doing is some ancient brittish custom |
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| 20:18.17 | sp3000 | yeah, it's called lambasting |
| 20:18.18 | RevdKathy | No, the ancient custom for tonight should be pouring cider over apple trees and feeding them toast |
| 20:18.30 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: did i get you to use engb1? :) |
| 20:18.42 | RevdKathy | No, what's that? |
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| 20:19.55 | RevdKathy | much prefers to little blue reproducing birds to the yellow turbocharged ones |
| 20:20.09 | Jaffa | moos at lcuk, frals and RevdKathy. |
| 20:20.26 | RevdKathy | Evning Jaffa |
| 20:20.34 | frals | ello |
| 20:20.50 | RevdKathy | how's the mms going tonight, frals? |
| 20:21.50 | frals | RevdKathy: looking through the specs to see what kind of message I'm suppose to send to confirm that the message is received, other than that it's quite excellent thank you ;) |
| 20:22.15 | frals | pushed a new release earlier today with a lot of fixes, hoping to keep the hy^H^Husers at bay for a while with that ;) |
| 20:22.17 | nedko | what pc software i need in order to synchronize my contacts via bluetooth or wireless? |
| 20:22.33 | RevdKathy | excellent! Great news!!! |
| 20:22.35 | torindel | nedko: nokia pc suite |
| 20:22.51 | nedko | torindel: for linux? |
| 20:22.57 | torindel | win -__- |
| 20:23.10 | nedko | i dont run windows... |
| 20:23.15 | torindel | nedko: that hurts me too ;P |
| 20:23.43 | frals | RevdKathy: also received a donation from some kind soul today, so my caffiene intake is secured for the coming week :D |
| 20:23.48 | nedko | torindel: so what you do atm? |
| 20:24.20 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: it's an alternate translation |
| 20:24.20 | RevdKathy | Brilliant! |
| 20:24.20 | rd | nedko: I copied over the .vcf file from linux using ssh....not really synchronization.... |
| 20:24.20 | RevdKathy | alternate translation of what, timeless_mbp? |
| 20:24.20 | rd | ....but at least I could use my contacts from kdepim |
| 20:24.21 | timeless_mbp | the system |
| 20:24.26 | torindel | nedko: atm i just dont synchronize, i used .vcf export from gmail and pulled it into nokia |
| 20:24.50 | nedko | i bet n900 could do better |
| 20:25.00 | nedko | what if i install evolution thing on my pc? |
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| 20:28.10 | blandar | ii dont see duplicate MyDocs entries fixed in 1.2 |
| 20:29.22 | blandar | looks bad when demoing device |
| 20:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | had a dream last night that he pulled the USB port out of his N900. |
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| 20:30.32 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: you sure that was a dream? |
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| 20:30.56 | zash | GeneralAntilles: did you proceed with replacing it with a firetwire port? |
| 20:31.00 | frals | GeneralAntilles: sounds like a nightmare indeed |
| 20:31.09 | zash | or a serial port |
| 20:31.20 | arachnist | firewire might be interesting |
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| 20:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | arachnist, no power on the 4-pin port, though. |
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| 20:45.26 | blandar | lacking anamorphic support in media player is a pretty big hole |
| 20:45.39 | Stskeeps | anawhat |
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| 20:46.15 | blandar | dvds are encoded to be displayed at wider than square pixel ratio |
| 20:47.01 | blandar | properly encoded, a player must stretch to non-square pixel ratio |
| 20:47.59 | blandar | bug files |
| 20:48.00 | inz | Hmm, is I got my calendar once sync'd with google calendar, but further syncs aren't working |
| 20:48.03 | blandar | filed |
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| 20:52.19 | blandar | it is so lame that these 30 year old coin-op games are still illegal to distribute |
| 20:53.39 | villager | blame disney... aren't they the ones that keep extending copyright |
| 20:54.01 | pekuja | I guess pretty much. |
| 20:54.24 | pekuja | I don't think they're the only ones, but definitely one of the biggest ones. |
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| 20:57.18 | LuciusMare | ohai |
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| 20:57.33 | LuciusMare | I got to ask, what is the reason you bought n900? |
| 20:57.44 | uhsf | anyone here noticed newegg now ships to Canada? and why was I not informed about this? |
| 20:58.34 | tg | hoi |
| 20:58.50 | uhsf | I suppose newegg.ca is by far the best choice from where to order a Nokia N900 since it's 200$ cheaper than ncix.ca |
| 20:59.08 | tg | hm, i found an alternative way to reboot the device: start maemo-mapper then click anywhere :) |
| 20:59.19 | LuciusMare | or you are going to buy n900? |
| 20:59.31 | inz | tg, ooh, what a nice feature =) |
| 20:59.40 | tg | maybe it's because the custom kernel i just installed? or the last maemo update, not sure which |
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| 21:00.19 | gevaerts | not playing angry birds seems to make my battery last a lot longer |
| 21:00.25 | zash | N900, sweden, when? |
| 21:00.53 | LuciusMare | ... |
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| 21:01.04 | tg | gevaerts: yeah but if you connect the charger you can play it and it will even last longer! :) |
| 21:01.07 | pekuja | gevaerts: what else can you do though? :-O |
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| 21:01.11 | pekuja | gevaerts: life loses meaning |
| 21:01.32 | smps | try to compile kernel on device itself |
| 21:01.36 | smps | :D |
| 21:01.39 | tg | :D |
| 21:01.48 | tg | i needed it because i want to nat |
| 21:02.18 | gevaerts | tg: I could, but it gets less interesting once you have three stars everywhere |
| 21:02.27 | inz | it does |
| 21:02.36 | inz | thus i removed it to get the upgrade =) |
| 21:03.17 | tg | and there's no nat module in the standard kernel, afaik |
| 21:04.03 | smps | tg, yes i know |
| 21:04.28 | smps | there is no ppp support either |
| 21:04.36 | smps | i would need it for ipsec/l2tp |
| 21:04.42 | tg | mmhm |
| 21:05.16 | tg | i needed it quickly so i used this one from jebba for now: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel |
| 21:05.20 | tg | maybe i'll compile one myself later |
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| 21:05.52 | dev91_ | I'd like to utn the screen (when the unit is sleeping) with a shell script. any ideas? |
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| 21:05.55 | smps | tg, pls dont do that on device :D its going to be veery hot , |
| 21:06.05 | jebba | tg that kernel isn't updated to pr1.1 btw |
| 21:06.25 | gevaerts | smps: really? |
| 21:06.39 | gevaerts | has compiled gcc on his n900, it didn't get hot |
| 21:07.09 | tg | jebba: yeah i just noticed that |
| 21:07.11 | smps | gevaerts, how come ? i did some tests over night with gps and it was hot |
| 21:07.33 | tg | maybe that's why i had this reboot problem? or something like that |
| 21:07.44 | gevaerts | smps: no idea. It gets a lot hotter if I let it autoselect between 2g and 3g in an area without 3g coverage |
| 21:07.49 | tg | jebba: will you do an update ? |
| 21:08.08 | torindel | smps: for me 100% cpu usage produces barely noticable heat, and i wouldnt call that hot |
| 21:09.26 | jebba | tg: well, i was going to do an update, but nokia has added some proprietary program needed to generate the image for the flasher now |
| 21:09.28 | MaemohammadAG | kinda hate how the device's performance becomes less when multitasking with a call on |
| 21:09.45 | LuciusMare | Has anybody had written a library to access the camera? I want to write a time-lapse app |
| 21:10.04 | jebba | tg: vote for this bug: |
| 21:10.05 | jebba | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 |
| 21:10.06 | povbot` | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found |
| 21:10.21 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 21:10.23 | LuciusMare | bug 666 |
| 21:10.24 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function |
| 21:10.29 | tg | jebba: hm, too bad, thanks for the info |
| 21:10.33 | LuciusMare | bug 1337 |
| 21:10.34 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1337 Menu item News -> garage news is broken |
| 21:10.38 | jebba | repository.maemo.org does not exist (Authoritative answer) ? |
| 21:10.46 | LuciusMare | I think i finally got what is the povbot >_> |
| 21:11.00 | LuciusMare | bug 1 |
| 21:11.01 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it |
| 21:11.06 | LuciusMare | hah |
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| 21:12.00 | LuciusMare | So,the camera library? |
| 21:13.26 | LuciusMare | :( |
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| 21:17.29 | blandar | let us insist on maemo.org doing optification |
| 21:18.05 | ifreq | blandar: ? |
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| 21:18.26 | blandar | farking with packages to that end is a bad timesink |
| 21:18.56 | Stskeeps | thought the consensus at the workshop was automatic optification too |
| 21:19.06 | ifreq | blandar: coders doing the packages should do that. not some repo site. |
| 21:19.07 | blandar | cool |
| 21:19.16 | ifreq | Stskeeps: i thought its not so easy as it sounds? |
| 21:19.27 | SplasPood | heh, this is when a mirror of repository would come in handy :) |
| 21:19.31 | Stskeeps | ifreq: opt out should solve those |
| 21:19.33 | woglinde_ | damn my wife let met sleep again |
| 21:19.40 | Stskeeps | SplasPood: there was a clearly announced service break |
| 21:20.07 | SplasPood | Stskeeps: Hrm, I thought I saw some post that there were 'problems with the machine' and that it was 'tough to find people on saturday' |
| 21:20.18 | Stskeeps | SplasPood: well, yes, but the server move was yesterday |
| 21:20.23 | SplasPood | Stskeeps: in either case a mirror would still allow the repository to function even if there were no updates coming in. |
| 21:20.36 | lardman|home | Why is it so hard to build lapack? |
| 21:20.43 | SplasPood | But I'm not complainin, thats why there was a :) |
| 21:20.46 | Stskeeps | SplasPood: we had this discussion .. apt doesn't like redirect and they'd need to provide vhost for repository.maemo.org |
| 21:20.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:21.08 | ifreq | Stskeeps: yeah but you can install 2nd repo by hand :P |
| 21:21.13 | woglinde_ | lardman because life isnt easy |
| 21:21.24 | lardman|home | yeah :( |
| 21:21.25 | ifreq | just need to get stuff copied via rsync :P |
| 21:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | I'd really prefer usrificartion and varification. I.E. implement a sane *classic* partitioning with dedicated partitions/volumes for /usr /var and /opt and /home. Then *mount* these volumes early in system startup rather than doing nasty symlinking or bindmounting etc. Heythis worked in unixes evers since. I don't see why it couldn't be done for maemo as well |
| 21:21.45 | xorAxAx | GuySoft_nokia: there is 1.04b already |
| 21:22.11 | woglinde_ | hm is autobuilder repaired? |
| 21:22.15 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i'd rather like to see /usr and /usr/local |
| 21:22.18 | wackl | is someone using fuppes for video streaming on N900? |
| 21:22.18 | Stskeeps | but hmm |
| 21:22.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 21:28.37 | ShadowJK_ | 'd like to see /usr and /usr/local too |
| 21:29.00 | ShadowJK_ | or /opt/maemo used as /usr/local |
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| 21:30.06 | ruied | Hi! I can't access to repository.maemo.org is the site down? |
| 21:30.20 | Trizt | how do you install portmap the simplest way? and does the nfs module support nfs4? |
| 21:30.25 | Stskeeps | yes, from #maemork from qaiku: We have SAN issues on the machine hosting the repositories and the mail/list server. Work on bringing things back is ongoing. |
| 21:30.28 | Stskeeps | , ruied |
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| 21:31.07 | blandar | it is hard to see all the issues related to /opt |
| 21:31.21 | nedko | torindel, rd: have you tried syncevolution or opensync? |
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| 21:31.33 | torindel | nedko: nope |
| 21:31.58 | torindel | might take look at opensync thoo unless it requires some cow like evolution -__- |
| 21:31.58 | nedko | torindel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=467613#post467613 |
| 21:32.23 | nedko | torindel: n900 addressbook is stored in evolution kind of db |
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| 21:34.30 | blandar | why dont we fuse another partition into root after happy system startup |
| 21:35.03 | ruied | Stskeeps: ok, thanks. is there other mirrors of the repository available? |
| 21:35.19 | wackl | am i right that the n900 mediaplayer does not support resizing of videos streamed via upnp-servers? |
| 21:35.25 | ShadowJK_ | I think jebba is the one who just made a new partition on the 32g and edited system scripts to use it as /usr or something |
| 21:35.41 | blandar | jebba is a can-do guy |
| 21:36.45 | jebba | i haven't repartitioned though :) caused me a bit of pain upgrading for sure... |
| 21:37.49 | |R | uhm all the maemo.org repo are down ? |
| 21:37.50 | woglinde_ | jo jebba |
| 21:37.56 | woglinde_ | |r jupp |
| 21:38.08 | |R | woglinde_: server upgrade didn't go very smoothly? |
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| 21:40.07 | blandar | im ready to go with ext2 and bootloader to another partition personally |
| 21:40.29 | jebba | hey woglinde_ |
| 21:40.55 | Trizt | could accept gentoo and jfs ;P |
| 21:40.58 | jebba | seems there are intermittant DNS issues with repository.maemo.org. Change you DNS server and you may have better luck (ala 8.8.8.8) |
| 21:42.07 | ruied | what's the ip address of repository.maemo.org ? |
| 21:42.31 | jebba | ruied: i think it varies depending on where you are (akamai foovoo) |
| 21:42.37 | jebba | repository.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.237 is one |
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| 21:45.51 | Mozillion | it's not only DNS |
| 21:46.23 | Mozillion | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=476503&postcount=35 |
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| 21:47.32 | jebba | well, this week was server cut-over week, rumour has it |
| 21:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | FWIW http://pastebin.com/f52532339 (repo DNS) |
| 21:48.12 | woglinde_ | x-fade is working on it |
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| 21:48.54 | Stskeeps | just so see #maemork, it explains it pretty welll |
| 21:48.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:49.14 | Gadgetoid | arrr is there an easydebian .deb available outside of extras testing? |
| 21:49.26 | woglinde_ | ????? |
| 21:49.32 | Gadgetoid | want to grab it... but the repos are a little down |
| 21:50.02 | jebba | yikes. ok tekojo: "I can't verify, as my DNS is still pointing to the old ip number " does this *strike* any other sysadmins? |
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| 21:50.20 | jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=473813&postcount=13 |
| 21:50.46 | Gadgetoid | need the new ip, could set up a hosts entry |
| 21:51.07 | ruied | Today I had to remove almost all applications (no space left...) to upgrade to maemo 2.2009.51-1, now I was going to install everithing that I need (openvpn remote desktop vnc and others) but the repository is not available . Think I'll have to wait... |
| 21:51.31 | flux | gadgetoid, the old ip isn't responding either |
| 21:51.38 | Stskeeps | jebba: no, that's fairly normal |
| 21:51.46 | Stskeeps | jebba: DNS changes can take up to 72 hours to propogate |
| 21:51.54 | flux | is there a new ip around? |
| 21:52.05 | Gadgetoid | flux... guess its a fail either way as i am pointing to the old |
| 21:52.07 | flux | if they had prepared for this move, they could've changed the dns addresses in a few minutes.. |
| 21:52.21 | ifreq | Stskeeps: or longer.. really depends on ISP :) |
| 21:52.34 | Gadgetoid | yup flux.. been there done that |
| 21:52.36 | flux | well, maybe not, but a few hours in any case (because they wouldn't want people banging their servers every minute) |
| 21:52.44 | jebba | Stskeeps: yes. And if it was a system you were adminning, would you, say, know a way or two to workaround that? |
| 21:53.01 | Gadgetoid | never use direct dns if you want a contingent environment |
| 21:53.49 | jebba | they could also have previously set the DNS expire to like 2 minutes or something so propigation would happen quickly. /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf, uh, the workarounds just *fly* at me ;) |
| 21:54.12 | ifreq | jebba: yeah thats the normal prosedure on quich change tasks with DNS |
| 21:54.13 | Stskeeps | jebba: in this particular case working around internal nokia DNS is a lot more difficult than it sounds, and tekojo doesn't have admin rights on maemo.org |
| 21:54.16 | Stskeeps | (intentionally) |
| 21:54.32 | jebba | ifreq: yes. "NORMAL PROCEDURE" nothing majick. Nothing unique. VERY VERY COMMON. |
| 21:54.36 | Gadgetoid | jebba nah they should maintain the dns at a third party provider with the cacpacity to failover or switch insatantly |
| 21:54.41 | Gadgetoid | like a proxy |
| 21:54.49 | jebba | Gadgetoid: ya, yet another way..... |
| 21:54.49 | ifreq | jebba: yeah indeed. |
| 21:54.52 | flux | in any case, the traffic from the previous ip could have been forwarded to the new one for the transition period |
| 21:54.56 | goodwill | jebba: nokia provides dns and peple doing server move do not have as speedy access to it as possible |
| 21:55.08 | jebba | ah, ya, that too. Anyone else got another way this could have been done? |
| 21:55.12 | flux | but at the moment no server is online (?), so I guess all this DNS discussion is moot :) |
| 21:55.13 | jebba | we got about 6 so far.... |
| 21:55.17 | goodwill | jebba: patience is cool |
| 21:55.21 | jebba | haha |
| 21:55.34 | Gadgetoid | basically.... they fail at elemantary server management... probably byleaving too much to the dicscretion of a provider |
| 21:55.34 | ruied | isn't there any repository mirrors? |
| 21:55.38 | goodwill | no |
| 21:55.47 | goodwill | I do not think anyone volunteered to host them yet |
| 21:55.47 | flux | this is just a kickoff for the community mirror of repository.maemo.org?-) |
| 21:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | jebba posted link to a very precise explanation not involving *any* DNS issues |
| 21:55.54 | ifreq | ruied: if yhere would be i would be one mirroring it asap. |
| 21:56.09 | ifreq | goodwill: its not about volunteering. |
| 21:56.13 | Gadgetoid | definitely would be nice to have a mirror |
| 21:56.28 | Stskeeps | goes relax on the couch |
| 21:56.33 | ifreq | its not hard to add by hand backup repo on n900 |
| 21:56.56 | ifreq | but well. if its not wanted. cant do anythign else :) /me goes sit on couch too (own couch) |
| 21:56.57 | flux | I suppose anyone who wants could just mirror the repository home (once its up) |
| 21:57.05 | jebba | ruied: ifreq: I started a thread about Mirroring on maemo-devel. It's very instructive.... |
| 21:57.10 | flux | although that will cause a lot of load initially to the server.. |
| 21:57.21 | jebba | flux: i do have a mirror here: http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/ |
| 21:57.34 | ifreq | jebba: okay goodie. |
| 21:57.39 | flux | jebba, aren't you worried you might get overhelmed with traffic? |
| 21:57.44 | Gadgetoid | jebba ..... really??? |
| 21:57.55 | Gadgetoid | how recent... i want easydebian |
| 21:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | actually Mozillion posted link to a very precise explanation not involving *any* DNS issues |
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| 21:58.10 | jebba | but it only mirrors maemo, not the nokia repos. Just mirrors "free" |
| 21:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-16 22:46:23] <Mozillion> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=476503&postcount=35 |
| 21:58.17 | wackl | can someone recommend a upnp media server? so far i tried fuppes and ushare, but both don't support video resizing... |
| 21:58.51 | redeeman | you want to scale the video down? |
| 21:58.52 | jebba | looks like lists.maemo.org is down too (but may be my crap connection here) |
| 21:59.01 | wackl | redeeman: yes |
| 21:59.03 | ruied | jebba: I've tried it but didn't work for me... ("fail to update") |
| 21:59.08 | jebba | flux: not worried about overflow of traffic, no. |
| 21:59.21 | jebba | ruied: tried what? |
| 21:59.25 | wackl | redeeman: as i understand the default media player on the n900 does not support videos > 848x480 |
| 21:59.39 | redeeman | wackl: theres one called maemo media server i believe |
| 22:00.03 | ruied | jebba: http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/ |
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| 22:00.35 | crashanddie | sup |
| 22:00.42 | crashanddie | dns |
| 22:00.46 | jebba | ruied: you can't go there in a web browser or you can't use it as a deb src? What "deb" line did you use? |
| 22:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: lists down. confirmed |
| 22:01.11 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I put in action what you asked, unless the tmo thread changes to go towards finding a solution, I'm going to close it |
| 22:01.20 | jebba | deb http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free <--- ruied, like that |
| 22:01.38 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: re: maemo-community downpour |
| 22:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's funny that Off Topic threads don't show Thanks but still count existing ones. |
| 22:02.03 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: eh? |
| 22:02.07 | Gadgetoid | jebba yeah i was a dummy and left non-free in :) |
| 22:02.28 | ruied | jebba: I can go there in web browser, added it to maemo catalogs but when I upate at my n900 i fails ("could not connect to repository....") |
| 22:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, the thread you moved still counts all the Thanks! I got, it just doesn't show them. |
| 22:02.41 | crashanddie | heh |
| 22:02.45 | crashanddie | well, rightly so, no? |
| 22:02.55 | jebba | ruied: well if you can hit it in your browser, but not in your n900, something is just set up goofy in your n900. |
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| 22:03.02 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: just because people ruin a thread after you've posted shouldn't mean your post is suddenly bad |
| 22:03.05 | wackl | redeeman: hm, only found references to osso-media-server, which is running on the device |
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| 22:03.19 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, well, I think it should at least still show them. |
| 22:03.26 | crashanddie | good point |
| 22:03.26 | xorAxAx | the n900 is supposed to switch to the phone app when turning to portrait orientation, right? doesnt work for me. anybody have an idea? |
| 22:03.32 | Gadgetoid | thanks a butt-ton jebba... i got easy deb |
| 22:03.49 | jebba | ruied: do what Gadgetoid did ;) |
| 22:03.58 | javispedro | xorAxAx: you have to enable that in the phone application -> menu -> orientation sensor settings (or something like that) |
| 22:04.07 | javispedro | btw, morning |
| 22:04.07 | xorAxAx | javispedro: thanks |
| 22:04.15 | Gadgetoid | ruied if using app manager remove non-free |
| 22:04.26 | Gadgetoid | or it will fail the whole repo |
| 22:05.07 | xorAxAx | javispedro: i was searching for it in the system preferences |
| 22:05.44 | jebba | Gadgetoid: can you take a screenshot and put it somewhere of HAM and my mirror? I'll put it up as an example on that page so people can use it with HAM (just extras, not the others). If you have it set up with HAM that is. |
| 22:06.26 | Gadgetoid | jebba guess so :) i used extras-testing but saved your mirror url in the description for emergencies |
| 22:06.48 | Gadgetoid | i changed it back- will do a screenie of extras |
| 22:07.00 | frals | jebba: how much disk space does the extras mirror take? |
| 22:07.25 | jebba | frals: 1 sec i'll du |
| 22:08.25 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: 29C this morning at 6.30AM |
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| 22:08.50 | Gadgetoid | waah what is the print screen shortcut? |
| 22:09.10 | jebba | frals: 23G total. Breakdown here: http://pastebin.ca/1753999 |
| 22:09.10 | Milo- | Gadgetoid shift, meta p |
| 22:09.11 | ruied | jebba hehe! I wrote "freemantle" instead of "fremantle" |
| 22:09.15 | frals | jebba: cheers |
| 22:09.17 | Milo- | erm |
| 22:09.20 | Milo- | shift+ctrl+p |
| 22:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, how's the humidity? |
| 22:10.00 | Gadgetoid | ahhh gives me 20sec to cap anyeay but thanks Milo- |
| 22:10.45 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: not too bad today, only 80% |
| 22:10.55 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: friday it was around 98% |
| 22:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, sounds like FL |
| 22:11.12 | crashanddie | yeah, seriously humid, very sweaty for sure |
| 22:11.45 | GeneralAntilles | How was the flight out? |
| 22:12.06 | gavin | timeless_mbp: microb is not firefox! |
| 22:12.13 | crashanddie | ok, london to bangkok was delayed due to snow and heavy wind, but I had 3 seats to myself so managed to lie down and sleep through the whole way |
| 22:12.19 | timeless_mbp | gavin: customers are stupid. |
| 22:12.22 | timeless_mbp | so are managers |
| 22:12.27 | timeless_mbp | i have to deal with both |
| 22:12.40 | gavin | I don't really see how customers would ever make that leap |
| 22:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | gives timeless_mbp a box of cookies. |
| 22:12.49 | gavin | customers don't know that microb uses gecko |
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| 22:13.13 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: do we have pictures of the n900 box? |
| 22:13.21 | gavin | and even if they did, going from that to naming it "firefox" is a pretty big leap |
| 22:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, we being? The Internet? Yes. |
| 22:13.51 | gavin | fennec, on the other hand, is branded "firefox" |
| 22:14.11 | SpeedEvil | gavin: it's all over the blogosphere |
| 22:14.27 | gavin | "microb == firefox" is all over the blogosphere? |
| 22:14.53 | SpeedEvil | well - it was |
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| 22:15.03 | jebba | dang, i was hoping I had a good explanation of TTLs here, but nope. http://web.archive.org/web/19990209021131/www.verinet.com/dns/db.mydomain.shtml ( front: http://web.archive.org/web/19981201230543/www.verinet.com/dns/ ) |
| 22:15.04 | SpeedEvil | I recall before the announce of firefox |
| 22:15.04 | gavin | that's news to me |
| 22:15.16 | SpeedEvil | that I'd seen it several times. |
| 22:15.18 | SpeedEvil | I of course now can't find it. |
| 22:15.51 | crashanddie | gavin: http://blog.twinapex.fi/2010/01/02/mobile-browser-wars-nokia-microb-vs-firefox-fennec/ |
| 22:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | gavin, I'm sad Fennec is now called Firefox. :( |
| 22:16.24 | GeneralAntilles | gavin, I really liked the Fennec icon. |
| 22:16.27 | gavin | that article seems to make a pretty clear distinction between the two |
| 22:16.43 | gavin | GeneralAntilles: you can always use a nightly :) |
| 22:17.55 | Gadgetoid | jebba... like so? http://gadgetoid.com/maemo/mirror.jpg |
| 22:18.49 | jebba | Gadgetoid: ya, like that, but i think the URL is wrong! It just has extras, but its really like espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras or somesuch |
| 22:18.56 | timeless_mbp | gavin: isn't AntiPhishing support in FF2 dead? |
| 22:18.59 | jebba | isn't it? hehe |
| 22:19.10 | Gadgetoid | hahahaha |
| 22:19.15 | Gadgetoid | i fail |
| 22:19.19 | jebba | ;) |
| 22:19.29 | jebba | too bad whole thing won't fit there |
| 22:19.30 | Gadgetoid | although the screenie would never fit it in doh |
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| 22:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | gavin, for a variety of reasons, I think it's a good idea for Mozilla to maintain two separate brands for the two, though. |
| 22:20.04 | jebba | i guess it will just have to be a "hint" Perhaps in red text i'll write over it with the full URL |
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| 22:20.22 | jebba | i could do this myself, but my n900 is *way over there* on the table *way over there* |
| 22:20.36 | jebba | oh no. it's on this tabel. haha |
| 22:21.02 | jebba | Gadgetoid: i'll do it. i was being real lazy |
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| 22:22.17 | Gadgetoid | haha |
| 22:22.26 | woglinde_ | hm upstart file for speechdispatcher |
| 22:22.30 | Gadgetoid | can redo anyway |
| 22:22.36 | woglinde_ | I need to write |
| 22:22.49 | jebba | Gadgetoid: i added it. Thanks though. I'll want it there anyway. |
| 22:25.08 | Gadgetoid | http://gadgetoid.com/maemo/mirror.png |
| 22:25.23 | Gadgetoid | just love the fact i can do all of this ON the n900 |
| 22:25.35 | VINCENT_ | are the repo extra and extra-devel still down ? |
| 22:25.36 | SouBE | what's wrong with repository.maemo.org? |
| 22:25.42 | Gadgetoid | will have gimp up and unning soon too |
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| 22:27.18 | *** topic/#maemo by Stskeeps -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Happy New Year on behalf of the Maemo Community | Repositories and mailing lists temporarily down, see http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ |
| 22:27.32 | Gadgetoid | anyone know how much headroom the easydebian image has? |
| 22:28.40 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: it's never been so hard to find an estate agency open on a sunday... everything's open on sundays in London :( |
| 22:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 22:31.14 | jophish | I wonder how hard it would be to generate a cubemap from the front and back camera data, perhaps updating in real time. |
| 22:32.05 | Gadgetoid | jophish.... waaaah? |
| 22:32.27 | jebba | Gadgetoid: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 22:32.42 | jebba | VINCENT_: mirror here: : http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
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| 22:33.19 | timeless_mbp | chews out a pr representative of a legal arm for not making sure that expired sections of a document were properly elided |
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| 22:33.42 | jophish | Gadgetoid, just my brain idling. |
| 22:34.18 | oscillik | anyone know if changing the hostname on the N900 would break something? |
| 22:34.23 | Gadgetoid | jebba you're officially king of #maemo today |
| 22:34.35 | jebba | heh |
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| 22:35.02 | RST38h | hehe, I know why tap paging does not work very well in FBReader |
| 22:35.05 | RST38h | konttori: Around? |
| 22:35.42 | Gadgetoid | well that's now linked on my desktop |
| 22:36.07 | jebba | lets see. Lost mail on mailing list move. Lost bugs on bugzilla move. Server down on repo move. Hmm. |
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| 22:36.35 | red | RST38h: why is that? |
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| 22:36.44 | _cedar | hi all |
| 22:36.58 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: worked OK when I set pressure to anything under - IIRC 8 |
| 22:37.03 | _cedar | so i assume http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php is down is as well? |
| 22:37.20 | Gadgetoid | tap paging is irrelevant... although using the rocker means holding your n900 upsidedown |
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| 22:37.32 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: no, it's not. |
| 22:37.36 | trewq | http://www.pandamailer.de/?bettel=pimbolli |
| 22:37.44 | RevdKathy | Goodnight all |
| 22:38.08 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: there are any number of positions where holding the n900 is uncomfortable - especially for long periods - if you have to hold your thumb over the buttons. |
| 22:38.08 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, the thing will tap-scroll on anything it does not consider a stylus click |
| 22:38.36 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: but the touch screen is too insensitive to distinguish between stylus and finger clicks |
| 22:38.52 | RST38h | hence the problem |
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| 22:39.12 | RST38h | The two bounds that you set in config actually determine the STYLUS CLICK range |
| 22:39.23 | Gadgetoid | SpeedEvil .. the n810 remains close to my heart as made for fbreader |
| 22:39.25 | RST38h | So tap scrolling happens on any value OUTSIDE these bounds |
| 22:39.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 22:39.47 | SpeedEvil | Why else would you touch the screen? |
| 22:39.48 | _cedar | does anyone have the flasher-3.5 they could send me? |
| 22:39.57 | RST38h | All right, probably the only guy who can enlighten me on this is konttori and he is asleep |
| 22:40.07 | ShadowJK_ | hm, ogg-support including dependencies is nearly 2.5 megs not optified |
| 22:42.24 | Gadgetoid | RST38h i thought the finger/stylus tap issue was already known |
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| 22:43.54 | blandar | sad the duplicate MyDocs entries persist |
| 22:44.17 | _cedar | nm |
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| 22:49.27 | javispedro | finally sees an n900 "on the wild" |
| 22:49.46 | jebba | s/on/in btw i think you mena |
| 22:49.49 | jebba | mean :) |
| 22:49.59 | woglinde_ | hi javis |
| 22:50.08 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe... |
| 22:50.24 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Wilde |
| 22:50.36 | Gadgetoid | i will need a new phone if i see anyone else with an n900 round these parts |
| 22:50.50 | javispedro | hi wog |
| 22:51.01 | Gadgetoid | fortunately the Pandora has some assured uniqueness |
| 22:51.26 | SpeedEvil | If you want unique, I have a neo1973 |
| 22:51.46 | Gadgetoid | my palm m500 arrived today |
| 22:51.47 | oscillik | lol |
| 22:51.57 | javispedro | the owner was downloading pr1.1... right on a mall. |
| 22:52.28 | Gadgetoid | javispedo ... in a mall? |
| 22:52.29 | torindel | throws neo freerunner at SpeedEvil |
| 22:52.44 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:52.47 | SpeedEvil | woo! |
| 22:53.12 | Gadgetoid | on a mall? did you tell him not to jump? |
| 22:53.27 | blandar | yaay javispedro. awesome speed on drnok |
| 22:53.36 | torindel | throws "almost working" android, gentoo, debian, fso neo install media at SpeedEvil |
| 22:53.58 | blandar | mappable diagonals soon please |
| 22:54.00 | Gadgetoid | has drnok been updatified lately? |
| 22:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | throws Openmoko GTA03 prototype boards ar SpeedEvil and torindel |
| 22:54.09 | torindel | evades |
| 22:54.14 | blandar | pr1.1 speeds it up a lot |
| 22:54.16 | javispedro | not, but I plan to do so now that my final exam week is over |
| 22:54.29 | blandar | thanks! |
| 22:54.35 | Gadgetoid | really blandar? i will have to reinstall it |
| 22:54.36 | VINCENT_ | can anyone help my / is out of diskspace how can i solve this |
| 22:54.51 | javispedro | blandar: which build are you using? |
| 22:54.59 | blandar | -devel |
| 22:55.03 | javispedro | so, 1.2.5 |
| 22:55.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: there were protos made? |
| 22:55.11 | javispedro | the one using h-r-t. no flicker? |
| 22:55.17 | torindel | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 22:55.17 | Gadgetoid | Vincent_ stop installing shit from devel |
| 22:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:55.31 | SpeedEvil | hadn't been keeping up on those discussions. |
| 22:55.34 | blandar | no flicker noticed |
| 22:55.41 | torindel | SpeedEvil: you have neo or just seen it? |
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| 22:55.44 | blandar | superfast fullscreen |
| 22:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | even working prototype devices. exactly 3 afaik |
| 22:55.53 | SpeedEvil | torindel: I have one. |
| 22:56.07 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I guess that's the ultimate in rarity. |
| 22:56.08 | javispedro | blandar: it is still slower than the uncomposited build I threw somewhere some time ago (at least on PR1.01!) |
| 22:56.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: (once you smash the other two) |
| 22:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | all three are at werner in .ar afaik |
| 22:56.43 | VINCENT_ | hmm oke i was trying out something |
| 22:56.59 | red | VINCENT_: shouldn't use devel stuff if you don't know how to manage diskspace for one |
| 22:57.00 | blandar | ahh? chrono trigger 28-30 fps and visually smooth. but sometimes i get excited and misremember real speed from last month |
| 22:57.10 | red | they can end up eating space/battery/bricking your phone |
| 22:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | I only have protoboards of an early stage |
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| 22:58.29 | Gadgetoid | even i've turned devel off for now... i think things are going to start moving along to extras nicely now |
| 22:59.12 | jebba | .ar customs has my neo still :( |
| 22:59.14 | javispedro | :( tablets-dev.nokia.com is down too. |
| 22:59.41 | SpeedEvil | jebba: :/ |
| 22:59.54 | Guest41864 | what's .ar ? |
| 22:59.59 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.10 | Knightcz | and what's neo? :) |
| 23:00.18 | jebba | neo1973, the openmoko fone |
| 23:00.33 | MaemohammadAG | anyone else having 302 errors on -devel? |
| 23:00.44 | frals | MaemohammadAG: repos down |
| 23:00.51 | Knightcz | hmm answer makes another question.. what's openmoko? :) |
| 23:00.52 | MaemohammadAG | oh ok, ty |
| 23:01.14 | jebba | MaemohammadAG: mirror here: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 23:01.23 | jebba | Knightcz: wikipedia that one |
| 23:01.31 | Knightcz | ok |
| 23:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: you got a gta01?? |
| 23:02.09 | jebba | DocScrutinizer i ordered from the first public batch, but never got it (the devel hardware testkit thing too). Got hung up in argentine customs and i just gave up. |
| 23:02.14 | jebba | i loathe customs. |
| 23:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | Knightcz: wiki.openmoko.org |
| 23:02.25 | Knightcz | y, I see |
| 23:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: ohh shit |
| 23:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
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| 23:03.18 | blubbi | hi all |
| 23:03.24 | jebba | DocScrutinizer this like 1.5 years 2 years ago? Forever ago. That thing is long gone by now. |
| 23:03.33 | blubbi | does anyone know ich mechanize for python is available? |
| 23:03.51 | blubbi | if not, is it complicated to package it? |
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| 23:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: 2 years |
| 23:05.09 | lardman|home | anyone know if dh_link's package.links file can accept wildcards? |
| 23:05.45 | ivan4th | useful note: to make ssh snappier, it's possible to turn WiFi power saving off temporarily using the following command: iwconfig wlan0 power off |
| 23:05.59 | jebba | ivan4th: thx :) |
| 23:06.18 | ivan4th | (package wireless-tools) |
| 23:06.41 | MaemohammadAG | thanks jebba |
| 23:07.02 | javispedro | on the n810, libicd-network-wlan constantly fiddled with that setting though |
| 23:07.26 | jebba | MaemohammadAG: cool. glad it works for you. Already getting a number of hits.. |
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| 23:08.09 | fdv | repository.maemo.org doesn't resolve. is it temporary due to moving to new infrastructure? |
| 23:08.15 | blandar | javispedro, have you gotten a single non-us rover.sys from users yet? |
| 23:08.24 | fdv | ah. topic |
| 23:08.56 | blandar | ty ivan4th ! |
| 23:09.39 | javispedro | blandar: nope. though I guess I should do a sample one with fn'd arrows. |
| 23:10.31 | jebba | fdv: http://espejo.freemoe.org Mirror |
| 23:10.32 | blandar | i have uk kbd and it works fine |
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| 23:11.42 | blandar | javispedro - is your drnoksnes screen drawing usable for dosbox, or complex because of many resolutions |
| 23:12.01 | javispedro | blandar: it's usable, though ugly |
| 23:12.24 | lardman|home | mm, Qtoctave looks useful |
| 23:12.32 | blandar | ok. the losing mouse when going over edge is more important atm |
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| 23:13.42 | blandar | and the clicking on stylus tap could be somehow suspended by held key or toggle |
| 23:14.39 | ulewu | sorry, is a german maemo channal here? |
| 23:17.39 | javispedro | lardman: dh_link doesn't seem to support wildcards. |
| 23:18.58 | lardman|home | no, I noticed that, have given up and gone back to the postinst script |
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| 23:19.20 | lardman|home | thanks for looking though |
| 23:19.24 | lardman|home | :) |
| 23:20.18 | javispedro | has nothing to do since he had some time to reflash n900 but has found tablets-dev is down :( |
| 23:20.47 | lardman|home | well if you're that bored, you could try getting lapack to compile... ;) |
| 23:21.25 | javispedro | fortran??? :( |
| 23:21.32 | fdv | jebba: thanks |
| 23:21.34 | lardman|home | oh yeah! :) |
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| 23:22.39 | lardman|home | hmm, I see numpy comes with its own version of lapack, perhaps that would work better (as numpy is one of the goals here).... |
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| 23:24.32 | lardman|home | balls, damn repos down |
| 23:24.37 | lardman|home | why are the repos down? |
| 23:24.54 | microlith | isp screwup apparently |
| 23:25.07 | lardman|home | drat |
| 23:25.18 | jebba | lardman|home: http://espejo.freemoe.org Mirror |
| 23:25.30 | lardman|home | what's the flag to make dpkg-buildpackage ignore deps? |
| 23:25.51 | lardman|home | thanks jebba, but am about to head for bed, can't face fiddling with my apt setup atm |
| 23:25.51 | infobot | no worries, lardman|home |
| 23:25.51 | jebba | -d |
| 23:25.51 | javispedro | "-d" |
| 23:26.12 | lardman|home | thanks chaps, will see if numpy will compile without some python-dbg packages |
| 23:26.57 | GeneralAntilles | That ISP is fail. |
| 23:27.27 | ulewu | does anyone know when the repos will be online again? |
| 23:28.08 | javispedro | ~seen Firebird |
| 23:28.11 | infobot | firebird <n=Firebird@pool-138-88-215-39.res.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 20h 49m 48s ago, saying: 'julianoliver, look at step seven: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution'. |
| 23:28.18 | jebba | ulewu: http://espejo.freemoe.org Mirror |
| 23:28.44 | ulewu | ha... cool |
| 23:28.50 | javispedro | jebba: I guess you will end up putting that URL on the topic tonight :) |
| 23:29.01 | ulewu | =) |
| 23:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I can probably dig him up for you if you need him. |
| 23:29.56 | ulewu | u could put that in the channal-topic |
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| 23:30.14 | jebba | javispedro: heh. feel free to do so if you have ops |
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| 23:31.11 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: na, thanks. I'll get to him via garage. |
| 23:31.20 | javispedro | jebba: everyone can change the topic iirc. |
| 23:32.46 | *** topic/#maemo by jebba -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Happy New Year on behalf of the Maemo Community | Repositories and mailing lists temporarily down, see http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 23:32.57 | jebba | ya, i guess so |
| 23:33.22 | lardman|home | ~lart whoever uploaded python-numpy to Debian sid, looks like it can't be compiled |
| 23:33.22 | infobot | executes killall -HUP whoever uploaded python-numpy to Debian sid, looks like it can't be compiled |
| 23:35.23 | lardman|home | or at least not without deleting the diff.gz, tar.gz and dsc files anyway |
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| 23:36.47 | woglinde_ | lardman |
| 23:36.49 | woglinde_ | *g* |
| 23:37.00 | woglinde_ | whats the error? |
| 23:37.32 | lardman|home | cannot represent changes to source (lots of .pyo files) |
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| 23:38.06 | woglinde_ | oh |
| 23:38.08 | lardman|home | drat, looks like python-dbg is needed afterall |
| 23:38.17 | woglinde_ | seems her forgot too make clean right |
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| 23:38.30 | woglinde_ | should be easy to add |
| 23:39.34 | lardman|home | yep seems so |
| 23:39.46 | lardman|home | I couldn't get ./debian/rules clean to work though |
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| 23:40.47 | woglinde_ | hm? |
| 23:40.57 | woglinde_ | I could look at it if you want |
| 23:41.09 | lardman|home | can I upload it tomorrow? |
| 23:41.21 | woglinde_ | dont know |
| 23:41.25 | lardman|home | Otherwise just try grabbing the python-numpy package from debian sid |
| 23:41.26 | woglinde_ | I want finish navit oo |
| 23:41.30 | woglinde_ | jupp |
| 23:41.50 | lardman|home | go for that, the cleaning bit is not high priority, would just be nice |
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| 23:42.53 | lardman|home | jebba: The version of python in your repo is older than that I have installed for some reason |
| 23:43.36 | woglinde_ | but I am fighting with speech-dispatcher right now |
| 23:43.48 | woglinde_ | lardman I want git-buildpackage too |
| 23:43.56 | lardman|home | ah, extras-testing |
| 23:44.04 | woglinde_ | but some python-coolmake-doc packages have circular depence |
| 23:44.12 | woglinde_ | thats fun |
| 23:44.17 | lardman|home | :( |
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| 23:44.48 | lardman|home | http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/p/python2.5/ |
| 23:44.53 | lardman|home | no -dbg packages :( |
| 23:45.11 | woglinde_ | ~lard all maintainers not using quilt |
| 23:45.19 | woglinde_ | ups |
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| 23:45.24 | woglinde_ | ~lart all maintainers not using quilt |
| 23:45.24 | infobot | beats all maintainers not using quilt to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 23:45.41 | lardman|home | phew, in extras-devel |
| 23:46.46 | jebba | lardman|home: maybe you installed one from -devel and you just enabled the extras mirror? |
| 23:46.58 | lardman|home | yeah, looks like it |
| 23:47.12 | jebba | lardman|home: what version do you have? |
| 23:47.23 | jebba | hearts quilt |
| 23:47.49 | lardman|home | 2.5.4-1maemo5 |
| 23:48.12 | javispedro | woglinde_: here's to hoping someone gets a masterplan for developing, testing, publishing and getting uploaded to the autobuilder a new debian sbox devkit :) |
| 23:48.25 | lardman|home | hmm, some sort of error. Any thoughts? : http://maemo.pastebin.com/m35bc2ff7 |
| 23:48.39 | lardman|home | javispedro: +1 |
| 23:49.01 | lardman|home | ah, fakeroot! |
| 23:49.16 | lardman|home | too late in the evening |
| 23:49.43 | timeless_mbp | looks for someone who cares about English |
| 23:49.49 | Target | anyone know when dosbox keyboard layout will be fixed? |
| 23:50.03 | javispedro | Target: what? |
| 23:50.10 | DangerMaus | lol timeless_mbp |
| 23:50.27 | timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: ?? |
| 23:50.45 | DangerMaus | cares bout english on irc? |
| 23:50.51 | DangerMaus | not likely |
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| 23:51.04 | timeless_mbp | you'd be surprised |
| 23:51.20 | w00t | timeless_mbp: try me |
| 23:51.21 | timeless_mbp | "Stream already saved as Blah Blah Black Sheep" |
| 23:51.37 | timeless_mbp | w00t: open media player, tap the third picture |
| 23:51.41 | w00t | one moment |
| 23:51.44 | timeless_mbp | tap any item in the list |
| 23:51.47 | timeless_mbp | tap the title area |
| 23:51.52 | timeless_mbp | tap the Save... button |
| 23:52.03 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 23:52.20 | timeless_mbp | in general, error messages are an indication of a dumb user interface designers |
| 23:52.21 | timeless_mbp | -s |
| 23:52.30 | w00t | hm |
| 23:52.33 | w00t | this is FM radio, right? |
| 23:52.45 | w00t | er.. sorry, not feeling well |
| 23:52.49 | w00t | s/FM/internet/ |
| 23:53.08 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 23:53.08 | w00t | anyway, assuming it is, I have no save option on the title menu |
| 23:53.09 | Target | javispedro, the dos emulator for the N900, the keyboard layout is messed up |
| 23:53.13 | DangerMaus | hehe error for something already saved... lol |
| 23:53.17 | w00t | FM transmitter, add radio bookmark |
| 23:53.17 | Target | javispedro, can't enter numeric etc |
| 23:53.25 | timeless_mbp | w00t: ok, add radio bookmark |
| 23:53.27 | lardman|home | whoa, python builds are messy, judging by this one anyway |
| 23:53.30 | javispedro | Target: ah, you haven't read about rover.sys? |
| 23:53.38 | Target | errr, I guess not? :-) |
| 23:53.42 | Target | I'll go google, thx for the hint |
| 23:53.44 | w00t | stream already bookmarked under 'blah blah blah' |
| 23:53.44 | timeless_mbp | picky |
| 23:53.51 | timeless_mbp | w00t: right |
| 23:53.54 | timeless_mbp | so... |
| 23:54.08 | w00t | it seems a ..bit retarded that it offered me the option to bookmark something that is already bookmarked |
| 23:54.22 | w00t | 'remove from bookmarks' would be more useful |
| 23:54.32 | DangerMaus | or save something that is already saved |
| 23:54.34 | Target | javispedro, thanks for the info, I think I'll get it working now :) |
| 23:54.54 | lardman|home | hmm, curious, it just built quite happily |
| 23:55.01 | lardman|home | well that's good news anyway |
| 23:56.08 | corecode | seems newegg never shipped my phone :/ |
| 23:56.10 | DangerMaus | like edit how its saved but not just a save button that then spews an error timeless_mbp |
| 23:56.11 | corecode | sadness |
| 23:56.13 | timeless_mbp | w00t: i'm going to file a bug about add |
| 23:56.26 | timeless_mbp | if you want to file a bug asking for edit or delete |
| 23:56.27 | timeless_mbp | you can |
| 23:56.29 | corecode | anybody have reasonable prices in europe? |
| 23:56.36 | timeless_mbp | but that requires too much intelligence for these people |
| 23:56.36 | lardman|home | bed time, night all |
| 23:56.41 | timeless_mbp | corecode: very funny |
| 23:56.48 | timeless_mbp | this is Europe you're talking about, right? |
| 23:56.52 | corecode | yea |
| 23:57.05 | timeless_mbp | ... very funny |
| 23:57.12 | corecode | is it that nokia is selling the phones in europe at a higher price? |
| 23:57.21 | corecode | or do dealers just take more? |
| 23:57.54 | corecode | mm dell is selling it for $530 |
| 23:58.22 | timeless_mbp | corecode: Europe has this thing called VAT |
| 23:58.29 | corecode | i'm in switzerland |
| 23:58.31 | corecode | 7.6% |
| 23:58.35 | corecode | not really much |
| 23:58.37 | timeless_mbp | which generally is much higher than the thing we call Sales Tax in the USA |
| 23:58.41 | SpeedEvil | timeless: t's not really only that. |
| 23:58.49 | timeless_mbp | then there's the Currency Conversion |
| 23:58.54 | timeless_mbp | and Cost of Living |
| 23:59.01 | timeless_mbp | the Euro is more valuable |
| 23:59.10 | corecode | and free shipping |
| 23:59.11 | timeless_mbp | and there's the market factor |
| 23:59.20 | timeless_mbp | if someone tried to sell a phone in the USA for 1500 USD |
| 23:59.24 | timeless_mbp | no one would buy it |
| 23:59.26 | corecode | i wonder whether they would ship to europe |
| 23:59.39 | javispedro | .. eBay? |
| 23:59.45 | timeless_mbp | corecode: you'll probably need to pay import duty :) |
| 23:59.57 | corecode | timeless_mbp: that's alright, still quite cheap |
