| 00:00.05 | jebba | pierlux: cool you're here. :) Definitely needs to add openstreetmaps data instead of the proprietary data sources. They'll never cover much of the world (e.g. argentina, where i am...) |
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| 00:00.36 | nhg | anyone know what gstreamer element is used by maemo/N900 etc. in order to display a video stream to the frame buffer? |
| 00:00.38 | pierlux | jebba, adding nominatim shouldn't be too hard ;-) but never as much detailed! |
| 00:00.43 | jebba | dpkg-reconfigure foo Jef91 |
| 00:01.01 | jebba | pierlux: not yet as much detailed ;) |
| 00:01.26 | pierlux | jebba, I mean for instance OSM will never have phone number of businesses ;-) |
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| 00:01.43 | Jef91 | jebba: dpkg-reconfigure - command not found |
| 00:02.09 | jebba | Jef91: you're right. I dunno ;) |
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| 00:02.38 | jebba | pierlux: but aren't there other sources that have this that can be tied in with OSM? I haven't followed this too closely, but i thought there were. |
| 00:02.59 | Jef91 | dpkg --configure foo |
| 00:03.04 | Jef91 | Goo man docs thehehe |
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| 00:04.40 | jebba | ah ya, that heh |
| 00:09.33 | red | what does "mapped private port" mean while port forwarding? |
| 00:09.42 | red | i do understand mapped private IP, and start port and end port |
| 00:11.23 | ifreq | jebba: okay its not so bad.. as hildon-desktop reboot fixes it |
| 00:11.24 | ifreq | :P |
| 00:11.32 | odin_ | the "private" is another way of saying the "local LAN" |
| 00:12.05 | odin_ | so its possible to make a public IP and public port to any arbitrary private IP and private port, like 1.2.3.4:80 => 192.168.0.1:8080 |
| 00:12.23 | odin_ | s/make/map/ |
| 00:12.38 | pronto | that method of install .deb files, by typing matrix into add app catalogs dosent work for me o.O |
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| 00:13.00 | gouverneur | pronto: it was removed |
| 00:13.03 | pronto | oh |
| 00:13.20 | gouverneur | pronto: are you working on a live n900 or in a sdk? |
| 00:13.29 | user_ | beautiful new look to app manager |
| 00:13.40 | mrmg | user_: yeh |
| 00:13.47 | pronto | guess i'll just use dpkg then |
| 00:13.51 | mrmg | the categories |
| 00:14.25 | odin_ | is it possible to "make install" some autoconf enabled packages/application into an alternative root ? |
| 00:14.39 | odin_ | can I use a /usr/bin/install or install.sh or something in a special way to effect this ? |
| 00:14.54 | user_ | upgrade also freed 10MB on root here |
| 00:15.24 | odin_ | I want visibility of all files a package installs and where they are installed to, so thay can be packaged up into a .deb |
| 00:15.48 | jebba | dpkg -L foo odin_? |
| 00:15.58 | user_ | he has no deb yet |
| 00:16.02 | jebba | ah duh |
| 00:16.03 | gouverneur | odin_: you may 'make' a .deb |
| 00:16.22 | jebba | odin_: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO |
| 00:17.24 | odin_ | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot (what is fakeroot about ? that sound like what Im after) |
| 00:18.01 | jebba | fakeroot is sorta like sudo, without becomign root. It tricks apps into thinking you are running as root when you aint |
| 00:18.25 | odin_ | I want "mkdir /tmp/my_arbitrary_root" then "make install use_root=/tmp/my_arbitrary_root" ? and I get a load of dirs/files as /tmp/my_arbitrary_root/usr/local/xyz |
| 00:18.31 | user_ | odin, the "right way" is painful but perhaps less timewaste in the long run |
| 00:18.44 | jebba | odin_: what is your final goal? |
| 00:18.46 | odin_ | can FuSE help? some kind of overlay FS ? |
| 00:19.15 | user_ | go upstream in the process odin_ |
| 00:19.17 | odin_ | the final goal is to see clearly which files a package installs (no I wont want to take apart the "make install" output) |
| 00:19.18 | jebba | you are just making a .deb? |
| 00:19.28 | gouverneur | odin_: everything is allready mentioned in how to build packages, why do you wnat to find a new way? |
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| 00:20.01 | jebba | odin_: to see where it installs for what? you could do --prefix=/tmp/foo or somesuch too. but is the *final* goal to make a .deb? |
| 00:20.10 | odin_ | well which part of the process isolates the files built ? i.e. I am using "./configure && make" to build something |
| 00:20.35 | odin_ | I won't want to --prefix thats no good, it buggers up all the substituions based on it and /usr/local is _PERFECT_ default |
| 00:20.53 | jebba | if you are just trying to make a .deb you are going about it quite strange. WTF is it that you are really trying to do? |
| 00:20.56 | user_ | not for maemo eh |
| 00:21.18 | odin_ | so the dpkg auto-builder automatically isolate the files built ? if so how does it do that ? make some kind of loopback fs ? |
| 00:21.44 | jebba | odin_: it installs in something like foo-1.2.3/debian/tmp |
| 00:21.44 | user_ | i woud pardon jebba for repeating the url here |
| 00:22.26 | gouverneur | odin_: its like tar... its a container with full pathes imported |
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| 00:22.41 | jebba | odin_: i think you are making this way more complicated that it needs be. But not quite clear what your final goal is. Like why would you just want to find out where the packages install? Just quit once you know? Or do something with that info? |
| 00:22.45 | odin_ | ok how does it install into foo-1.2.3/debian/tmp what is the manual mechanism to do that ? |
| 00:23.19 | odin_ | if I manually use ./configure --someoptions and make someoption=foo how do I make it install into foo-1.2.3/debian/tmp ? |
| 00:23.23 | gouverneur | odin_: its like extracting with path |
| 00:23.39 | jebba | odin_: are you just trying to make a .deb? Plz just answer that or i resign. |
| 00:23.45 | odin_ | not at this time now |
| 00:23.50 | odin_ | s/now/no |
| 00:24.03 | gouverneur | odin_: tell us what you are about or leave... |
| 00:24.08 | gouverneur | its anoying |
| 00:24.12 | odin_ | about ? |
| 00:24.15 | jebba | it probably does something like `make DESTDIR=foomanchu install` |
| 00:24.33 | odin_ | ah thanks a useful answer to investigate |
| 00:24.46 | jebba | odin_: see debian/rules files |
| 00:25.45 | odin_ | since Makefile is built with autoconf, then it must be an autoconf function, I'll take another looks at the awful docs |
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| 00:28.31 | gouverneur | odin_: ac_abs_top_builddir=$ac_abs_builddir/${ac_top_builddir} |
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| 00:29.06 | odin_ | http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html#Installation-Names (searching for DESTDIR does find mention here) |
| 00:29.19 | gouverneur | all variables are set with configure the makefile reads the config... and so on... |
| 00:29.20 | red | Anyone with the latest release candidate firefox (3.6) and VLC plugin in their browser here? =) |
| 00:29.30 | red | I'd like to run something by if I find a tester |
| 00:29.46 | jebba | VDVsx: reading your blog post on karma. Seems building a package for extras-devel and/or -testing should get some karma too, no? I mean, just clicking "thumbs up!" gets karma... actually building a package should be worth something i would think. |
| 00:30.03 | gouverneur | red: no vlc... what to test? |
| 00:30.39 | red | a media server I got configured |
| 00:30.49 | red | would need to test my transcoding settings vs my upstream |
| 00:30.59 | VDVsx | jebba, karma comes when the package land in Extras |
| 00:31.22 | gouverneur | red: why does it need to be vlc? |
| 00:31.25 | red | it's ment to be played in a browser (latest firefox cause native full screen video support) or by utilizing VLC plugin |
| 00:31.40 | red | guess it might work on other platform |
| 00:31.49 | red | but im not sure and could skew results :) |
| 00:31.49 | gouverneur | red: link? |
| 00:32.10 | jebba | VDVsx: ya, i saw that, but there's lots of apps in -devel that should at least get something. I mean, the guy did the whole mapbuddy thing, which is worth far more than just some random comment, for example. He may have like 0 karma, even though having that in -devel is way better than just some blog post. |
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| 00:32.48 | red | wrote in query |
| 00:32.58 | jebba | if someone makes it thru all the hoops and timeouts to get something in extras "main" they should be canonized ;) |
| 00:33.14 | blarpystan | jebba can maintainer specifiy compile flags for extras? |
| 00:33.34 | VDVsx | jebba, agree, but the karma system is imperfect, we can't add all those restrictions, will become too complicated |
| 00:33.52 | VDVsx | jebba, we can give karma to maintainers |
| 00:34.08 | VDVsx | we planed because of the libs |
| 00:34.17 | jebba | blarpystan: ya, you can write the whole debian/rules file for whatever you want. |
| 00:34.21 | VDVsx | probably will address that issue that you raised |
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| 00:35.22 | VDVsx | S/we planned/is planned/ |
| 00:35.28 | blarpystan | ty jebba |
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| 00:52.12 | GAN900 | I wish h-a-m wouldn't bitch for updates. |
| 00:52.33 | GAN900 | B |
| 00:53.16 | GAN900 | Jaffa, you win. |
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| 00:53.28 | GAN900 | Jaffa, just wish the icons were a bit bigger. |
| 00:53.34 | jebba | pierlux: have you seen the threads on maemo-devel about sharing map data (e.g. no need to re-download OSM data if Maep already has it) |
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| 00:55.37 | lardman|home | how do I get a directory listing using wildcards in Python? |
| 00:55.54 | lardman|home | and also, how can I load a module from a name contained in a variable? |
| 00:56.22 | lardman|home | for the first, am not sure if os.listdir(path) takes wildcards |
| 00:56.42 | pierlux | jebba, I've seen a similar thread on talk-fr (osm) |
| 00:56.48 | pierlux | jebba, I am not on that list |
| 00:57.26 | lardman|home | hi pierlux |
| 00:57.35 | pierlux | hi |
| 00:58.04 | GAN900 | lardman|home, try Catorise? |
| 00:58.26 | odin_ | is there any reason why /usr/local/lib is not in /etc/ld.so.conf by default? |
| 00:58.47 | lardman|home | GAN900: is Jaffa's new menu app? |
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| 00:58.55 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 00:59.43 | lardman|home | opening HAM now |
| 00:59.44 | angasule | I'm starting to like canola2 |
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| 01:00.49 | GeneralAntilles | 48x48 pngs encoded in base64 are not insignificant. |
| 01:00.51 | Andrewfblack | Jaffa got his menu app out yet? |
| 01:01.15 | odin_ | also /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ directory does not exist, does Maemo support it, it created on a recent and standard ld.so right? |
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| 01:03.15 | lardman|home | GAN900: nice |
| 01:03.18 | lardman|home | Jaffa: well done |
| 01:05.35 | cosmo | GeneralAntilles: we're back from california road trip, thanks for the hints |
| 01:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | cosmo, ah, happy to help. Good trip, I suppose? :) |
| 01:06.04 | cosmo | yep, we had fun |
| 01:06.15 | Archanamiya | Would I be allowed to ask for feedback on this app in the forums? http://arch.xceleo.org/themex |
| 01:06.37 | jebba | why not? |
| 01:06.37 | cosmo | we decided to skip LA and went only south to santa barbara |
| 01:06.47 | Archanamiya | jebba, @ me? |
| 01:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | cosmo, sounds like it was probably a good plan. |
| 01:07.05 | b-man17 | jebba: it's a bit web-oriented |
| 01:07.10 | jebba | Archanamiya: ya, talk is pretty wide open |
| 01:07.15 | Archanamiya | Awesome :) |
| 01:07.18 | Archanamiya | thanks |
| 01:07.29 | b-man17 | Archanamiya: do it ;) |
| 01:07.55 | Archanamiya | b-man17, I shall |
| 01:08.40 | Archanamiya | Should I just post it in Development? |
| 01:08.54 | cosmo | GeneralAntilles: weather was good compared to almost any other place in the us.. even florida was colder |
| 01:09.12 | Archanamiya | jebba, should I just post it in Development? |
| 01:09.20 | blarpystan | irssi /me color is white on white |
| 01:09.37 | blarpystan | tests |
| 01:09.41 | jebba | Archanamiya: depends who you want feedback from. Development if you want feedback from develoipers, applications if you want from users (as a suggestion) |
| 01:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | cosmo, was it ever . . . :stillshivering: |
| 01:09.57 | Archanamiya | jebba, yeah. devleopment |
| 01:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | Finally climbing back into the 50s during the day this week. <_< |
| 01:10.26 | GeneralAntilles | Archanamiya, are you familiar with the maemo-developers mailing list? |
| 01:10.35 | Archanamiya | GeneralAntilles, I am not. |
| 01:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | ~mailing-lists |
| 01:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists/ |
| 01:11.06 | GeneralAntilles | ~mailing-lists is http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists/ |
| 01:11.07 | infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles |
| 01:11.16 | GeneralAntilles | Archanamiya, another good option to spam. |
| 01:11.16 | Archanamiya | I can't say I've ever used mailing lists before. |
| 01:11.21 | Archanamiya | heh :P |
| 01:11.32 | GeneralAntilles | Archanamiya, well, now's as good a time as any. ;) |
| 01:11.50 | Archanamiya | I suppose so. :P |
| 01:11.52 | GeneralAntilles | No time like the present, etc., etc. |
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| 01:18.51 | pronto | Is it possible to add an "alt" key button on xterm next to Ctrl or TAb? |
| 01:20.14 | Shapeshifter | has anyone tried a Gigabyte M528? |
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| 01:25.57 | lardman|home | night all |
| 01:28.01 | jebba | pronto: i haven't done "alt", but here's some keymap hints: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Keymap |
| 01:30.19 | pronto | ah, thats somewhat annoying, since i have irssii to use alt and i ssh to my box |
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| 01:37.52 | Archanamiya | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=467543 |
| 01:38.48 | odin_ | can I compile again "host_shared" in scratchbox, so that some tools/binaries can be used inside scratchbox no matter what the current target it set to ? it seems I can't run my favorite editor (which I build under FREMANTLE_X86 and also the system compiler) when I am setup for FREMANTHE_ARMEL but I see all the tools that work report /scratchbox/host_shared/ libraries |
| 01:40.28 | odin_ | ldd /scratchbox/tools/bin/vi: reports libc.so.6 => /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/libc.so.6, when I am sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL, but my favorite editor reports libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (which I presume is mapped/fixed up for ARM now) |
| 01:42.00 | odin_ | so I need a compiler that will link against /scratchbox/host_shared/ and output a native binary (X86) |
| 01:42.57 | t7g__ | Has anyone considered or looked into trying to do an open-source Angry Birds level editor? |
| 01:43.49 | red | :D |
| 01:43.57 | red | why |
| 01:43.58 | t7g__ | I know they probably wouldn't like that per se, and I don't mind paying for the levels, but I'd rather like to make my own if they won't sell the the tool |
| 01:44.07 | red | ah :) |
| 01:44.31 | t7g__ | I would pay say, 15-20$ USD for a level editor but from the research I've done they aren't gonna do that |
| 01:44.45 | red | they probably didnt make the levels with any editor |
| 01:45.03 | red | or how would I know, never even checked the game x) |
| 01:45.05 | t7g__ | I haven't peered into it yet, but I would assume they'd at least make some tool |
| 01:45.13 | red | could be yeah |
| 01:45.33 | red | most games have some type, but its usually more extensive / only coder friendly |
| 01:45.40 | odin_ | ok I created a new target HOSTSHARED and use "host-gcc" as the compiler and that appears to result in a.out against "libc.so.6 => /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/libc.so.6" which is exactly what I needed |
| 01:45.46 | red | so releasing it as is and coding a custom level support is some work |
| 01:46.48 | t7g__ | Well I mean, I don't know how the binary is constructed but it shouldn't be impossible to change the levels, especially if you keep it under the previous level filesize (unless they did something behind the scenes) |
| 01:48.23 | jebba | odin_: why the hell are you doing all this? |
| 01:48.32 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.37 | jebba | the purpose makes no sense to me. |
| 01:48.37 | SpeedEvil | *lua |
| 01:48.59 | SpeedEvil | It's got handy hints in it at least |
| 01:49.02 | odin_ | jebba, so I can run my favorite text editor from inside SBOX no matter what the current target is set to |
| 01:49.02 | jebba | (we had a long thread in /msg about something similar earlier today, for those spectating) |
| 01:49.17 | jebba | what is your favorite editor anyway? |
| 01:49.25 | jebba | just build a .deb of it and install it ;) |
| 01:49.25 | odin_ | joe (Joe's Own Editor) |
| 01:50.02 | odin_ | three times ? |
| 01:51.09 | jebba | well, you just package it once and build it for ARM & i386. Not sure what third one you are talking about. |
| 01:51.27 | odin_ | for the system outside of SBOX |
| 01:51.36 | jebba | ah, i can just install that outside sbox. |
| 01:51.38 | jebba | 1 sec |
| 01:52.10 | jebba | you can also edit files in your scratchbox from out of it. |
| 01:52.20 | jebba | odin_: ok, joe installed outside of scratchbox |
| 01:52.25 | odin_ | yep, thanks on joe installation |
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| 01:52.51 | jebba | I have a symlink in my homedir (outside) like: scratchome -> /scratchbox/users/jebba/home/jebba/ So then you can use joe from outside to edit things easily (such as building joe!)= |
| 01:53.07 | odin_ | well I'm upto 8 packages so far tonight in my audit, to create a "busyboxless" group-package |
| 01:53.58 | odin_ | goal is to replace anything linked to busybox with the real package, that is installed in /usr/local |
| 01:53.58 | SpeedEvil | odin_: sounds interesting |
| 01:54.00 | jebba | i'm building wxwidgets2.8 right now ;) for the hell of it since someone mentioned audacity in talk... |
| 01:54.32 | jebba | odin_: someone did a gcoreutils, btw. All coreutils programs, but prefaced with g |
| 01:54.47 | jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories ruskie iirc |
| 01:54.59 | odin_ | bash-4.1 coreutils-8.3 util-linux-ng-2.17 grep-2.5.4 gzip-1.3.13 psmisc-22.10 net-tools-1.60-cvs iproute2-2.6.31 (so far) |
| 01:55.32 | jebba | probably better if you put them in /opt not /usr/local due to space reqs |
| 01:55.55 | jebba | like /opt/foo/bin or somesuch then people can just put that in their path ahead of /bin /usr/bin etc |
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| 01:56.55 | odin_ | not what my goal are, no prefix just correction of GNU utils for interactive shell use on N900 (since /usr/local is not used by the system), yes sorry if I was not clear the binaries go into /home partition (so /opt, but symlinks exist from /usr/local/ => /opt) |
| 01:57.28 | odin_ | as in /home/opt/maemo/usr/local/bin |
| 01:57.32 | jebba | ah ok. As long as they are in /opt you'll be good. + whatever symlinks |
| 01:58.36 | odin_ | that is where I'm thinking, that the /home/opt/maemo/ is a secondary system tree (of non-important stuff) |
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| 02:03.13 | jebba | i'll be clobbering the box with a make -j8 for awhile here ;) |
| 02:03.28 | odin_ | no greedy |
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| 02:08.29 | jebba | ah nice, we actually got 3 simultaneous users building on there ;) perhaps i shouldnt be so greedy ;) |
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| 02:11.23 | GAN900 | Where the hell is Boxwave's N900 protector. . . . |
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| 02:21.05 | jebba | odin_: btw you can add this to parallelize your builds: |
| 02:21.05 | jebba | export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=$DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS,parallel=8 |
| 02:21.05 | jebba | export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=8 |
| 02:21.23 | Macer | sherlock holmes sucks |
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| 02:39.14 | jaek_ | after flashing, what should i do about /opt? |
| 02:39.26 | jaek_ | the package metadata is gone, so... |
| 02:41.09 | jebba | jaek_ if you did a backup of the data using the stock backup program, i think you may be able to restore it (i havent done this myself, but i think that's what i've read) |
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| 02:41.55 | jaek_ | i'm not concered about keeping the software, since it is all from extras-* |
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| 02:44.51 | jaek_ | i'm not concerned with keeping the data in /opt |
| 02:45.10 | jaek_ | rather just don't want the old packages still installed there |
| 02:46.16 | user_ | i can get 30 cm range on radio while holding device and using fm boost applet |
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| 02:47.16 | jaek_ | how would i purge the /opt after i flash the device? |
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| 02:48.16 | jebba | jaek_: you'd have to manually rm i suppose |
| 02:48.26 | pupnik | the installed apps in opt should be gone afaik |
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| 02:53.00 | jaek_ | looks like there is a separate image for the eMMC |
| 02:56.09 | odin_ | maemo-optify-deb (is that installed, or just some kind of script I obtain) ? |
| 02:56.31 | pupnik | we have competing Load-applet and cpumem-applet. |
| 02:56.48 | jaek_ | yup, there are 3 of them |
| 02:57.07 | jaek_ | i think they are just forks of eachother tho |
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| 02:57.10 | pupnik | inatalling more than one caused me trouble |
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| 02:57.41 | pupnik | didnt realize there were multiple. do you know which is best? |
| 02:58.19 | jaek_ | i use the simplest one, don't need the screenshot functionality |
| 02:58.30 | jaek_ | that should really be a separate package really |
| 02:58.42 | pupnik | some crazy utilities in the pipeline... usb-host-mode... |
| 02:59.02 | Caesium | that'll be an interesting one |
| 02:59.06 | jaek_ | um, crazy? not really considering the 770 had host mode |
| 02:59.06 | Caesium | someone figured out the host mode then? |
| 02:59.21 | pupnik | no idea |
| 02:59.37 | jaek_ | i *thought* the hw on the n900 couldnt support it |
| 02:59.52 | pupnik | never read any posts showing it working |
| 02:59.52 | odin_ | jaek, ditto |
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| 03:00.29 | pupnik | hence, "crazy" |
| 03:00.40 | pupnik | and not "not really" |
| 03:00.54 | odin_ | I think fir the next N900 (i.e. "Mobile Computer" they should have 2 USB ports, i.e. add a Micro-USB which is pure-hostmode) this means you can charge/power and user host-mode and no issues with connector confusion |
| 03:01.09 | pupnik | nice idea odin_ |
| 03:01.53 | jebba | odin_: install maemo-optify package to get maemo-optify-deb if it's not there already |
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| 03:02.43 | odin_ | how can you call the device a "Mobile Computer" when it has not USB hostmode, when USB is "the bus for peripherals" |
| 03:03.03 | microlith | because lack of USB does not negate its being a computer? |
| 03:03.08 | microlith | lack of usb host mode, rather |
| 03:03.42 | jaek_ | i personally don't see myself ever using usb host |
| 03:04.31 | odin_ | it a "Mobile Internet Tablet" (just like is predecessor) not a "Mobile Computer" like say a Netbook is |
| 03:04.42 | microlith | it's still a computer |
| 03:05.10 | microlith | in fact I'd say my N900 at this point is equally capable and far more useful than my aspire one :? |
| 03:05.12 | Caesium | odin_: that's just nit picking :) |
| 03:05.13 | microlith | :) |
| 03:05.14 | jaek_ | my watch is a computer too, semantically |
| 03:05.20 | odin_ | no a computer has peripherals and is general purpose |
| 03:05.31 | Caesium | N900 can have peripherals? BT ones :) |
| 03:05.40 | microlith | odin_: N900 has peripherals, and it's quite general purpose |
| 03:05.44 | odin_ | yay for BT storage |
| 03:06.01 | odin_ | by the time I copied 100Mb my battery went flat, ho ho |
| 03:06.03 | Caesium | I was hunting for a BT-based usb host earlier, or a wifi one, but couldn't find anything |
| 03:06.03 | SpeedEvil | jaek: pupnik: my latest research seems to say that it's very likely that USB host mode (with external power) can be done. I (or someone) just has to get round to poking the hardware to do so. |
| 03:06.06 | Caesium | apparently they do exist tho |
| 03:06.11 | microlith | I stuffed a 16GB uSD in mine |
| 03:06.14 | microlith | plenty of storage |
| 03:06.22 | SpeedEvil | wifi storage is quite common |
| 03:06.24 | odin_ | yep and me |
| 03:06.27 | pupnik | also has radio, transmitter, camera, gps and storage peripherals |
| 03:06.37 | odin_ | wifi storage that is battery powered is not so common :( |
| 03:06.37 | jaek_ | don't forget IR |
| 03:06.47 | microlith | jaek_: xmit only |
| 03:06.57 | jaek_ | i doubt bluetooth is that power hungry |
| 03:07.04 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
| 03:07.05 | SpeedEvil | Much |
| 03:07.16 | SpeedEvil | But the whole system has to be awake to feed it data |
| 03:07.20 | odin_ | but its not fast either |
| 03:07.33 | jaek_ | power efficiency wise, bluetooth is probably the least power hungry (out of bluetooth/wifi/gsm/3g) |
| 03:07.48 | microlith | wifi is very power hungry :( |
| 03:07.54 | SpeedEvil | jaek: I doubt it. |
| 03:08.00 | pupnik | boggles at devbox kernel panic on fsck.vfat |
| 03:08.03 | SpeedEvil | microlith: it's really not - if power saving is working. |
| 03:08.04 | microlith | I have to turn off all the powersave modes in my apartment or my router won't talk to my N900 |
| 03:08.11 | odin_ | short range and slow == lower power use, but I really don't think its beats the Megabits per milli-amp-hour of wifi ? |
| 03:08.14 | microlith | so it gets quite warm and the battery doesn't last |
| 03:08.15 | jaek_ | same |
| 03:08.21 | microlith | at work it's not too bad |
| 03:08.33 | microlith | but they probably have cisco APs or the like |
| 03:08.40 | SpeedEvil | microlith: as in sshing into the n900 asking about battery life over wifi - it lasts >30h |
| 03:08.54 | jaek_ | i actually just disable wifi, only use it when i need to download lots of stuff |
| 03:09.05 | jaek_ | and put the "phone" to 3g only |
| 03:09.16 | jaek_ | it seems to last much longer than before |
| 03:09.21 | microlith | of course, I'm not using the 3G parts of the device (only 2.5G) |
| 03:09.39 | jaek_ | if you just need to update an rss feed or chat, you don't need it |
| 03:09.44 | pupnik | glioblastoma ftw |
| 03:09.47 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, are you using the SSH session to shift any data tho ? or like maybe just 1Mb per hour over that 30hours |
| 03:10.18 | SpeedEvil | odin_: more like 100k/hour |
| 03:10.34 | SpeedEvil | but if you burst data transfer at 5 meg a second - for 60 seconds - that's 300 meg |
| 03:10.51 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, and 12 hours asleep and 4 hours washing, eating and dumping and maybe 8 hours idling he he |
| 03:11.02 | pupnik | i have seen 2MB/s max over wifi to fk |
| 03:11.04 | pupnik | flash |
| 03:11.23 | jaek_ | someone should benchmark the power usage of the different radios |
| 03:11.25 | odin_ | Im sure I get 6Mb/s to eMCC over SSH |
| 03:11.54 | odin_ | but I've had phone crash on me half-dozen times when doing ~12Gb copies |
| 03:12.43 | pupnik | i get about 15 hours music playback + ssh+irssi + wifi |
| 03:12.47 | odin_ | i.e. 6 time when I first filled my 16Gb uSD... or rather the phone did not always crash just the WiFi failed to work, i.e. no amount of doing anything could get it working again |
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| 03:12.54 | pupnik | with screen dimmed |
| 03:13.47 | odin_ | wow I don't think I could get 15h out of mine like that... mine is flat in less than 3 hours if I use it for RSS/browsing over WiFi while watching TV |
| 03:13.53 | jaek_ | using fbreader alone seems to kill the battery pretty quickly for me |
| 03:14.08 | jaek_ | odin_, agreed... |
| 03:14.46 | jaek_ | if i'm not careful, it won't even last till i get home |
| 03:14.47 | SpeedEvil | jaek: I'm going to. jaek: I have a half-completed power measurement jig. |
| 03:15.10 | jaek_ | SpeedEvil, sweet, make sure to post it somewhere that gets picked up by maemo planet ;) |
| 03:15.13 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, to measure mA draw under use ? |
| 03:15.19 | SpeedEvil | Won't. |
| 03:15.25 | SpeedEvil | Will stick it on the wiki. |
| 03:15.31 | SpeedEvil | I don't really do blogs. |
| 03:15.32 | KenYoung | Reading the Extras-testing QA checklist, it sounds like the location of a package's bug tracker must be listed in one of the package's files (like README or something). Does anyone know if there is a specific place where bug tracking details must be listed in order to pass the Extras-testing QA? |
| 03:15.50 | jaek_ | SpeedEvil, are you going to compare close range/long range? |
| 03:16.10 | SpeedEvil | jaek: initially no. Just raw baselines |
| 03:16.12 | jaek_ | wifi close range vs bluetooth is what we were discussing earlier |
| 03:16.51 | pekuja | Angry Birds is fun |
| 03:16.57 | SpeedEvil | The BT radio is probably half the power of the wifi radio. |
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| 03:17.03 | odin_ | can you make a simple mA measuring device out of a PIC microcontroller |
| 03:17.13 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, when idling? or in use? |
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| 03:17.15 | SpeedEvil | But - the wifi one is on the order of a few dozen times faster |
| 03:17.26 | jebba | KenYoung: in debian/control |
| 03:17.29 | SpeedEvil | odin_: the CPU will dominate over radio usage. |
| 03:17.29 | jaek_ | you should be able to read it directly from the acpi or something... shouldnt you? |
| 03:17.36 | jaek_ | my laptop somehow knows how much power it is drawing itself |
| 03:17.55 | jebba | KenYoung: add a line like this: |
| 03:17.55 | jebba | Xsbc-Bugtracker: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=BurgerSpace |
| 03:18.02 | SpeedEvil | jaek: I have questions about the whole in-device measurement stuff. Some of it seems very inaccyurate. Plus, it can't measure when suspended for obvious reasons |
| 03:18.29 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, ah you just need kernel support for power-management-auditing |
| 03:18.31 | jaek_ | SpeedEvil, of course wifi is faster, pure efficiency wise, byte/watt |
| 03:18.35 | KenYoung | jebba, Thanks! That's exactly what I needed to know. |
| 03:18.36 | SpeedEvil | odin_: no. |
| 03:18.58 | SpeedEvil | odin_: you cannot measure idle power usage without something to measure the idle power usage. |
| 03:19.10 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, if you combine your metrics with knowing the kernel info you have reliable data |
| 03:19.12 | SpeedEvil | odin_: if that involves wakeups, you are no longer idle |
| 03:19.36 | SpeedEvil | odin_: yes, and assuming kernel state can be harder than simply making a bit of hardware. |
| 03:20.25 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, well you might be able to count CPU intertupts and bytes for BT/WiFi to get a reliable counter |
| 03:20.32 | jaek_ | measuring just the power usage from the battery alone should just require an amp meter |
| 03:21.28 | SpeedEvil | jaek: it's regrettably complex. But basically. |
| 03:21.38 | odin_ | jaek, yes... and combine all the weighting (i.e. usage pattern, duty cycle, idle, when off, when on, startup, etc...) with kernel info and reliable info can come out |
| 03:22.31 | odin_ | jaek, you come out with a formula for each thing, a bunch of kernel counters/metric/stats |
| 03:22.59 | SpeedEvil | odin_: yes - that sort of stuff - just starting off with an external meter hooked to a scope |
| 03:23.08 | SpeedEvil | odin_: to verify the internal meters. |
| 03:23.29 | jaek_ | anyways, i'm getting hungry, catch you guys later |
| 03:24.41 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, does the scope have a memory? hence my thoughs on a PIC microcontroller as a mA measuring device that can store sample over time |
| 03:25.25 | SpeedEvil | odin_: no - hooked to usb |
| 03:26.11 | odin_ | cool so you can graw pretty graphs for the wiki :) |
| 03:26.17 | odin_ | s/graw/draw/ |
| 03:27.34 | SpeedEvil | ideally, yes. |
| 03:27.44 | SpeedEvil | More interesting is periodicity. |
| 03:27.56 | SpeedEvil | You do a hundred times |
| 03:28.13 | SpeedEvil | turnsomethingon;sleep 1;turnsometningoff;... |
| 03:28.29 | SpeedEvil | and then you get a very nice measurement of how much that thing uses |
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| 03:43.09 | orangey | hello all! Is there any work to do an android for n900? |
| 03:43.47 | orangey | or, for that matter, is android for n810 any better? |
| 03:43.49 | SpeedEvil | Not public. |
| 03:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | Android on N900 . . . lol |
| 03:44.41 | dryajov | had anyone looked into porting maemo to other non maemo nokia devices? |
| 03:44.47 | dryajov | like the 5800 XM |
| 03:45.03 | xorAxAx | forget it |
| 03:45.08 | xorAxAx | its not open enough |
| 03:45.15 | orangey | GeneralAntilles: one problem currently plaguing me is the lack of medical apps for maemo. I use GVM, and that works great.. but it doesn't do some important once : ) |
| 03:45.21 | microlith | I think there's a port on the Zoom II, not exactly a cellphone but... |
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| 03:45.47 | SpeedEvil | orangey: there are people looking at various ways to get android apps to run. |
| 03:45.57 | orangey | SpeedEvil: that would be AWESOME! |
| 03:45.58 | SpeedEvil | orangey: it's not simple - however it's done though. |
| 03:45.59 | orangey | how will it happen? |
| 03:46.06 | SpeedEvil | orangey: and it's going to be some time. |
| 03:46.52 | SpeedEvil | orangey: I'm not aware of more than people expressing interest in doing it. Don't know about actual people working on it. |
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| 03:54.57 | dryajov | looks like arm has linux images for the nokia 5800 processor - ARM1136J(F)-S |
| 03:55.03 | dryajov | http://www.arm.com/products/os/linux_download.html |
| 03:55.12 | dryajov | has anyone tried them? |
| 03:56.37 | dryajov | anyone? |
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| 03:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | dryajov, is your question whether anybody has booted Linux on the 5800? |
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| 03:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | dryajov, because it's not nearly as simple as having a binary compiled for the right instruction set. |
| 03:58.20 | dryajov | yep |
| 03:58.25 | GeneralAntilles | the ARM11 is one of the most common CPU in mid-high range mobile devices. |
| 03:58.34 | GeneralAntilles | dryajov, yeah, Nokia's bootloader prevents that from happening. |
| 03:59.01 | dryajov | what about using u-boot or any other boot loader? |
| 03:59.23 | dryajov | or is there some sort of hardware restriction? |
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| 04:00.33 | microlith | dryajov: swapping the bootloader is quite risky |
| 04:02.54 | lcuk | linux likes to be on other hardware. thats the nature of the game, havent we spent the last 15 or so years installing it on everything from computers to toasters to carrs and other impractical devices? |
| 04:03.03 | lcuk | dryajov, how do you get a bootloader on there? |
| 04:03.16 | lcuk | ill forget the fact you have no drivers at the moment |
| 04:03.29 | lcuk | and that the device might not have a happy amount of memory for maemo |
| 04:03.38 | lcuk | and however many other things |
| 04:03.50 | lcuk | just assuming all that was right, how do you start |
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| 04:04.50 | orangey | lcuk: jtag? |
| 04:05.22 | lcuk | not really user friendly, but plausable for an engadget article |
| 04:05.57 | dryajov | well, there is an attempt to create a boot loader that would be run from within symbian |
| 04:06.05 | dryajov | http://n70linux.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/one-little-step-forward/ |
| 04:06.13 | dryajov | it is for n70 |
| 04:06.41 | dryajov | the idea is to gain kernel priveleges from within the os and then bootstrap whatever is that we want |
| 04:06.49 | dryajov | can be linux... |
| 04:06.53 | lcuk | ok dryajov so you came with a loaded question and knew the answer before you started |
| 04:07.25 | dryajov | not really, I'm just trying to create a discussion... |
| 04:07.30 | lcuk | nods |
| 04:07.57 | dryajov | see if anyone had atempted it befor on the 5*** series... |
| 04:08.01 | lcuk | its an interesting one too! |
| 04:08.19 | lcuk | people round these parts generally dont talk about the other nokia devices tho |
| 04:08.29 | lcuk | since we are maemo and geared towards the interest tablets |
| 04:08.51 | lcuk | there are pracitcal problems with putting maemo on its sibling hardware related mainly to screen resolution |
| 04:09.23 | lcuk | would be mega impressed if mer got onto them tho |
| 04:10.22 | dryajov | hmm... probably mer would be a more suited place to ask this questions... :) |
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| 04:11.06 | lcuk | mer has apparantly been run on devices with lower resolution (even running it on a cigarette lighter!) |
| 04:13.09 | dryajov | what about maemo drivers are they proprietaty? |
| 04:13.19 | dryajov | or there is source code for them |
| 04:13.37 | lcuk | theres a few device specific blobs around |
| 04:13.58 | dryajov | because I think in therms of hardware the 5*** devices are close to the n8x0 series... |
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| 04:35.49 | luke-jr | pizza |
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| 04:41.10 | BirdFlew | evening all |
| 04:41.19 | pronto | hi hi |
| 04:42.32 | BirdFlew | just pulled his first all-nighter coding for the N900... and it doesn't look like it'll be the last |
| 04:42.50 | pronto | awesome, i just got my n900 in the mail today :p |
| 04:43.01 | BirdFlew | nice :-D |
| 04:43.26 | BirdFlew | it really does keep getting better the more time you spend with it |
| 04:43.32 | pronto | gonna take some time getting used to the keybaord though |
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| 04:45.52 | BirdFlew | yeah, but you get the hang of it... i'm coding in python directly on the N900 and there's no dramas |
| 04:46.00 | pronto | ouch |
| 04:46.05 | pronto | i feel sorry for your thumbs |
| 04:46.13 | pronto | or did you ssh to it? :p |
| 04:46.52 | BirdFlew | haven't tried ssh yet, just been pummling my thumbs |
| 04:46.52 | lcuk | pronto, hes not the first |
| 04:46.54 | BirdFlew | heh |
| 04:46.59 | lcuk | BirdFlew, have you installed pygtkeditor |
| 04:47.03 | BirdFlew | yup |
| 04:47.27 | lcuk | im sure khertan would appreciate some feedback :) |
| 04:47.32 | lcuk | he worked hard to make it useable |
| 04:47.40 | BirdFlew | i'm becoming quite the fan of it actually |
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| 04:48.35 | pronto | any news on google maps for maemo5? |
| 04:48.42 | BirdFlew | i'll thank him next time i run into him |
| 04:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | pronto, Maemo Mapper |
| 04:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | pronto, the web interface is also workable |
| 04:50.30 | BirdFlew | anyone know which is higher precision in mysql, real or floats? |
| 04:51.11 | lcuk | arent they all the same thing? look on mysql docs |
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| 04:54.28 | BirdFlew | looking at the docs as we speak, but for some reason i'm losing a few digits after the decimal point no matter what i choose... further tinkering is required |
| 04:54.49 | red | what are you making BirdFlew |
| 04:57.46 | BirdFlew | a loss prevention program for the N900 which periodically polls the gps then uploads the coordinates to a web server... so of course the more precise the numbers are, the better |
| 04:58.02 | pronto | oh nice |
| 04:58.11 | pronto | i would acutly pay for something like that , if it was good |
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| 04:59.37 | BirdFlew | pronto: i'm aiming to polish it up real good... working on a central web service with google map integration, but i assure you the end result will be totally free |
| 04:59.56 | pronto | you gonna release the server side? |
| 05:00.41 | pronto | because my location is something i'd pefer to keep private(ish) |
| 05:00.56 | BirdFlew | maybe, but it's a mess... still, who better than the open source community to clean that up, hey? |
| 05:01.05 | BirdFlew | yeah i anticipated that |
| 05:01.19 | pronto | awesome |
| 05:01.28 | BirdFlew | so i'm adding the ability to upload to your own ftp server |
| 05:04.48 | BirdFlew | also trying to keep it all as anonymous as possible where the web service is concerned, i'm a big privacy advocate |
| 05:05.11 | xorAxAx | did somebody try ruskies repartitioning script? |
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| 05:17.54 | pronto | hey BirdFlew your project got a website or anything yet? |
| 05:21.16 | BirdFlew | not yet |
| 05:21.57 | BirdFlew | gotta get the nuts and bolts of it working first |
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| 05:27.50 | GAN900 | BirdFlew, for a sharing plugin? |
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| 05:28.49 | BirdFlew | not sure what you mean by sharing plugin mate? |
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| 05:31.35 | GAN900 | BirdFlew, for photo/video sharing |
| 05:32.01 | GAN900 | BirdFlew, be great to have a plugin for FTP to go with flick, Ovi, etc. |
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| 05:38.34 | thomaz | finally got his n900 |
| 05:38.45 | BirdFlew | ah |
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| 05:43.00 | GeneralAntilles | BirdFlew, in summary, I'm trying to sucker some poor chump into writing it. ;) |
| 05:44.29 | lcuk | i see your motivational skills are working perfectly GeneralAntilles lol |
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| 05:54.12 | tank-man | BirdFlew, why do you need to log the location of your n900? |
| 05:54.32 | tank-man | if its just for loss prevention |
| 05:54.37 | tank-man | it's |
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| 05:54.47 | rkc | can we connect external hard drives to n900? |
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| 05:55.24 | auenf | read the USB OTG and USB HOST threads |
| 05:56.23 | rkc | what is the exact name of the channel? |
| 05:56.48 | auenf | ? |
| 05:57.28 | tank-man | he thinks you are giving 'smart ass' answers |
| 05:57.43 | auenf | well, i am |
| 05:57.46 | auenf | but they are also correct |
| 05:58.07 | auenf | my useless smart ass answers are reserved for doom9 |
| 05:58.07 | rkc | auenf: I thought its a different irc channel.. i ll check that thread.. |
| 05:58.12 | rkc | well guys.. cool......... |
| 05:58.27 | auenf | make 3 pots of tea/coffee |
| 05:58.33 | auenf | you'll need it to get thru the threads |
| 05:58.43 | rkc | :) |
| 06:01.11 | Proteous | heh |
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| 06:08.08 | BirdFlew | tank-man: mainly to prevent theft |
| 06:09.44 | BirdFlew | i've actually never had a phone stolen from me before, so knock on wood, but it does happen |
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| 06:10.38 | lcuk | BirdFlew, it wont prevent theft tho |
| 06:11.03 | lcuk | it may facilitate its return |
| 06:11.05 | pronto | is it jsut me, or does the included media play suck when ty ing to play mp3's |
| 06:11.26 | tank-man | yea but how does a log of locations improve recover vs single known last location |
| 06:11.36 | jX | pronto: WFM, what problems do you have? |
| 06:11.41 | lcuk | i like the log idea tho |
| 06:11.45 | lcuk | for different reasons :) |
| 06:11.55 | pronto | in the middle of a song it'll randomly jump to another one |
| 06:11.57 | lcuk | having a full breadcrumb trail is cool |
| 06:12.06 | lcuk | mmm pronto ? |
| 06:12.17 | jX | auenf: hey there! |
| 06:12.20 | Proteous | why does the "fullscreen" button need to stay lit when I go fullscreen. I know it is active... cause... the terminal is filling the screen... |
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| 06:13.14 | Proteous | draconian UI rules probably |
| 06:14.19 | pronto | jX: ^ |
| 06:14.33 | jX | can't say I've had tha tproblem |
| 06:14.39 | jX | and I have over 2k mp3s on the unit |
| 06:14.47 | pronto | insterting |
| 06:14.54 | pronto | i only have about 50 or so |
| 06:15.28 | auenf | jX, you're hiding in here with timeless? |
| 06:15.48 | jX | auenf: Apparently. |
| 06:15.58 | jX | I should look at the nick list and see who else is here. |
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| 06:17.44 | jX | looks like we're it. |
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| 06:21.44 | tigert | Proteous: because its a toggle button |
| 06:21.52 | tigert | toggle buttons work like that |
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| 06:33.35 | ruskie | omg... 2 highlights in one less than 8 hours... |
| 06:34.06 | ruskie | xorAxAx, the script is actually a set of instructions... if you save it and run it, it will just exit safely :) you're supposed to follow it not run it :) |
| 06:34.41 | ruskie | xorAxAx, sure copy pasting will work as well :) |
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| 06:45.54 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/13/gsm_crypto_crack/ <-- :) |
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| 07:05.52 | pronto | anyone know if swype is gonna be ported to maemo |
| 07:06.00 | pronto | http://www.swypeinc.com/index.html |
| 07:07.06 | Wolfie | I've never used the virtual keyboard on my n900... i don't see how swype could compete with the hw keyboard |
| 07:07.30 | Undrwater | Wolfie: for maybe other devices... |
| 07:07.47 | pronto | though swype does look pretty awesome |
| 07:08.07 | Wolfie | Undrwater: but... i mean, maemo is more linux than phone os, in my mind. you wouldn't want to use xterm with a virtual keyboard |
| 07:08.12 | Wolfie | the screen estate wouldn't allow for it |
| 07:08.28 | Wolfie | pronto: sure, for hw-keyboard-less phones, it seems like an excellent choice |
| 07:08.43 | Undrwater | Wolfie: using xterm with virtual kb on openmoko ;) not great |
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| 07:09.12 | Wolfie | Undrwater: heh :) i can imagine |
| 07:09.36 | Undrwater | Wolfie: doable with the available keyboards...but nothing like a hard keyboard |
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| 07:25.28 | rkc | what is the difference between fremantle and diablo.. soryy if its a silly question |
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| 07:27.37 | cosmo | rkc: fremantle is a newer version of the operating system |
| 07:28.15 | cosmo | if you want to know more specific differences, you should probably search maemo.org |
| 07:28.34 | rkc | cosmo: thanks.. |
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| 07:37.47 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 07:39.11 | cityLights | hi all, how can I take a screen shot in the N900? |
| 07:39.53 | Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-p |
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| 07:41.08 | pronto | thats hard as hell to press xD |
| 07:41.24 | cityLights | yes this is hard to press |
| 07:41.34 | RST38bis | Ahhahaha, Offscr Backgammon crashes when it cannot win :)) |
| 07:41.39 | RST38bis | sneaky |
| 07:41.45 | cityLights | but I just tried it, where should the picture be stored? |
| 07:41.49 | pronto | does it tell you that a screen shot was taken? |
| 07:41.58 | cityLights | no |
| 07:42.03 | pronto | oh |
| 07:42.08 | pronto | then i probally just took like 20 |
| 07:42.43 | cityLights | what? |
| 07:42.47 | pronto | nah only took two |
| 07:42.48 | fatal^ | is there any way to override the "the file is to big to attach" when sending emails from the n900? |
| 07:44.47 | ifreq | fatal^: it depends on your ISP. so answer is no. and smtp is no made for transferring big files. |
| 07:45.03 | ifreq | fatal^: and if you somehow get it sent the next hop may deny it too. |
| 07:45.15 | fatal^ | ifreq: I'm my own isp, so no... that's not it..... I'm not allowed to even add the attachments in the mail client on the n900.... |
| 07:45.32 | fatal^ | (haven't even gotten to the send part yet.) |
| 07:45.47 | ifreq | well if youre own isp you should know better abt big attachments :P |
| 07:46.10 | Proteous | SMTP IS NOT FTP PEOPLE |
| 07:46.27 | ifreq | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6465 |
| 07:46.28 | povbot` | Bug 6465: Sending of large attachment denied: "File too large to be attached" |
| 07:46.28 | Proteous | breaks down crying |
| 07:46.36 | Proteous | it's for your own good |
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| 07:46.59 | Proteous | no one wants the 2000x3400 picture of your cat anyway |
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| 07:47.19 | ifreq | it has 15M filesize limit hardwired |
| 07:47.23 | ifreq | isnt that enuff?? |
| 07:47.32 | ifreq | imo its more than enuff for mobile users |
| 07:47.40 | fatal^ | Proteous: people love when others dictate what they are allowed to do and what they really want..... that's how you get stuff sold! |
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| 07:47.50 | Proteous | fatal^: :) |
| 07:47.51 | fatal^ | </irony> |
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| 07:48.04 | ifreq | fatal^: yeah and smtp is not ment for big file size transfers *g* |
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| 07:48.08 | fatal^ | Proteous: and ftp sucks.... |
| 07:48.25 | ifreq | use scp or <insert any secure websharing here> |
| 07:48.30 | ifreq | gtg to work cyas! -> |
| 07:49.05 | Proteous | using scp to throw files around between linux computers makes me smile every time |
| 07:49.21 | ifreq | Proteous: or rsync via ssh or anything :) *g* |
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| 07:49.53 | Proteous | people at work emailing 100mb files to someone who is in the next room becuase they don't want to figure out how to mount a share makes me cry |
| 07:51.32 | Proteous | installs "angry birds" |
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| 07:55.04 | fatal^ | so, what's the proper GUI way to launch the gvfs backends? |
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| 07:59.41 | cityLights | Stskeeps: is there a diffrent way to make a screen shot? |
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| 08:01.05 | pupnik | i dont get how youse survive app testing without synergy on device |
| 08:01.11 | Stskeeps | cityLights: load applet, but really, this is the easiest |
| 08:01.39 | cityLights | right. I isntalled it - how to use it now? |
| 08:02.13 | cityLights | min. I think I got it |
| 08:06.54 | lupine_85 | installs cmake into sdk, compiles |
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| 08:19.28 | mrmg | synergy works on n900? |
| 08:19.50 | Stskeeps | worked on n8x0 i think |
| 08:20.20 | Stskeeps | hrw: maemo gtk+ is on gitorious now btw |
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| 08:31.52 | L0cutus | re |
| 08:32.20 | cehteh | mrmg: try x2x if you only need sharing between X servers |
| 08:32.31 | cehteh | much more resource friendly and easier to set up |
| 08:32.50 | cehteh | (needs no additional software on the n900) |
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| 08:44.12 | Anidel | I feel like snowed in today... :) |
| 08:46.22 | auenf | Anidel, that would be hard here, it was 30+C |
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| 08:46.47 | flux | synergy is pretty nice, but I don't remember why I switched to it from x2x |
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| 08:46.48 | Anidel | eheh here in London is quite rare as well (I think).. but not this year looks like.. |
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| 08:51.13 | pekuja | is there something wrong with the Ovi Store? I can't see any of the paid-for stuff |
| 08:51.26 | pekuja | I wanted to buy the full version of Angry Birds, but it's not there. |
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| 08:51.47 | Hukka | pekuja: Oh, hai |
| 08:51.56 | pekuja | Hukka: hai |
| 08:52.16 | Anidel | pekuja, is not there for me as well... |
| 08:52.16 | Hukka | pekuja: Ovi store is still beta on N900, I think |
| 08:52.37 | Hukka | I guess they have some release pressures from all the mounting rants on the nets |
| 08:52.45 | pekuja | Hukka: sure |
| 08:54.18 | Hukka | Uargh... HAM... "Operation in progress" when trying to load new stuff from Ovi. And what is the operation? Showing the message about a successfull installation... |
| 08:54.48 | pupnik | looking at the pace of FOSS, i wonder how many professional "man-hours" that ovi oevre represents |
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| 08:55.31 | flux | maybe they indeed had some architectural problem in providing paid apps?-) |
| 08:56.20 | pekuja | perhaps |
| 08:56.38 | pekuja | I did hear about someone saying that some paid content was available freely in the repos |
| 08:56.44 | pupnik | depends on the size and scale |
| 08:57.03 | pekuja | so maybe they didn't have their DRM quite figured out |
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| 08:59.52 | phr | how does that ovi map application compare with a typical cheap automotive gps? |
| 09:00.21 | mece | pekuja, yeah it was in the repo and available as apt-get install angrybirds-levelpack1 |
| 09:00.30 | mece | so now it's removed until sorted I guess. |
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| 09:00.47 | `0660 | phr, it's really basic |
| 09:01.03 | `0660 | but works for most needs |
| 09:01.07 | phr | hmm. |
| 09:01.24 | phr | is there source (hah)? |
| 09:01.42 | `0660 | you can search for places, and it shows you on a map and even displays a route |
| 09:01.51 | `0660 | but that's about it |
| 09:01.58 | `0660 | for now at least |
| 09:03.15 | phr | thanks |
| 09:03.37 | phr | how fast can i use the 5mp camera? can i program it to take a pic every 2 seconds, say ? |
| 09:04.03 | Hukka | phr: You mean with full resolution? |
| 09:04.05 | phr | yes |
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| 09:04.46 | phr | if it helps the subject distance will be approx. constant, so it doesn't have to AF |
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| 09:08.17 | lardman|home | morning |
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| 09:08.50 | lardman|home | anyone happen to know where that link to a page of MMS servers was located? |
| 09:08.56 | lardman|home | tries to setup fMMS |
| 09:10.23 | Anidel | lardman|home, snowed in as well? |
| 09:10.27 | lardman|home | http://www.activexperts.com/xmstoolkit/mmsclist/ |
| 09:10.32 | lardman|home | Anidel: yep :) |
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| 09:11.02 | Anidel | lardman|home, :) me too |
| 09:11.11 | lardman|home | Bathwick hill is immpassable, certainly without chains or studs |
| 09:12.05 | lardman|home | not snowing any more though, forecast yesterday evening reckoned it would snow all day today too |
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| 09:12.10 | Anidel | lardman|home, I could make it to work, but I fear being stuck there once I'll arrive.. and also.. WHEN will I arrive to the office ? :) so better not loose time and work from home.. cool |
| 09:12.16 | krig | Hey, if anyone have time/interest, I'm trying to get jamaendo promoted to extras.. need more testing though. Link: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/jamaendo/0.2.5-1 |
| 09:12.16 | Anidel | it's still snowing here in London |
| 09:12.19 | lardman|home | Anidel: you had that much in Londinium? |
| 09:12.28 | Anidel | lardman|home, enough for us :) |
| 09:12.32 | Hukka | pekuja: Haven't seen you here before, just got you N900? |
| 09:12.48 | lardman|home | Anidel: :) |
| 09:12.59 | Anidel | lardman|home, this is Chiswick this morning: http://twitpic.com/xwc3w |
| 09:13.18 | phr | someone please tell me to not buy an n900. i can't afford it but i'm thinking about it obsessively ;) |
| 09:13.39 | pronto | phr: do what i did |
| 09:13.45 | pronto | i flipped a coin, heads buy, tails dont |
| 09:13.46 | Anidel | and Jaffa just tweeted is goind back home |
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| 09:13.51 | pronto | my coin landed on heads |
| 09:13.56 | phr | :) |
| 09:14.05 | pronto | i'm not a proud owner of a n900 |
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| 09:14.18 | pronto | now* |
| 09:14.27 | Anidel | pronto, you've used the Coin Toss app? :) |
| 09:14.27 | phr | it's not just the n900, but if i got it i'd be stupid to not get a data plan |
| 09:14.31 | Wolfie | phr: first step would be to leave the channel |
| 09:14.32 | phr | $$$$ every month |
| 09:14.37 | phr | wolfie, hee |
| 09:14.37 | pronto | lol |
| 09:14.46 | lardman|home | Anidel: nice :) |
| 09:14.47 | phr | but i have an n770, that runs maemo, doesn't that count? :) |
| 09:15.06 | Anidel | lardman|home, :) |
| 09:15.11 | Wolfie | fair enough |
| 09:15.15 | Anidel | phr it's "770" :p |
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| 09:15.36 | phr | i never use the 770. there must be something interesting i can do with it |
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| 09:16.23 | phr | i was gonna use it for wifi cafes but i got a netbook instead. now i'm thinking of the 900 as a mini-netbook with a phone, probably an error |
| 09:16.32 | pronto | my favourte app that i found in the n900 is this:, flyn900 or something, it uses the accometer , and cacluclatse how high you can toss your n900 in the air |
| 09:16.47 | phr | lol |
| 09:17.01 | phr | and if you let go by accident you can measure directly ;) |
| 09:17.04 | pronto | granted to say, i'm not testing it :p |
| 09:17.17 | tybollt | phr: that's exactly what it is - a small computer w/ posibility to make phone calls... |
| 09:17.33 | phr | well i want a programmable high res camera too |
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| 09:17.39 | phr | the netbook doesn't have that |
| 09:17.46 | Anidel | phr: N900, iPhone, Android and Pre (at least) are nothing more than expensive phones if you don't get a companion data plan |
| 09:18.13 | cehteh | huh? |
| 09:18.17 | phr | n900 without a data plan = cool tiny linux box with a quite good camera |
| 09:18.17 | Anidel | phr: so if you plan to buy one, plan a data plan as well.. or just go for a "normal" phone |
| 09:18.32 | cehteh | at home i have wlan, dont need a data plan |
| 09:18.32 | Anidel | yeah, they give the best with a data plan... |
| 09:18.41 | Anidel | cehteh, "at home" exactly :) |
| 09:19.15 | Anidel | at home I use my netbook, when commuting or abroad.. the n900 is simply the best |
| 09:19.20 | mece | if you leave your home, you're not a proper nerd! |
| 09:19.22 | cehteh | i just have prepaied .. and dont use data connections much |
| 09:19.29 | Anidel | mece, true :D |
| 09:19.32 | mece | if you're hardcore, you don't need data. |
| 09:19.37 | mece | :) |
| 09:19.47 | tybollt | mece: that is to say only nerds will own the N900? Ouch... >:) |
| 09:19.49 | Arkenoi | still no update for me! |
| 09:19.53 | Anidel | if you don't need data, you may not really need the n900 :) |
| 09:19.54 | cehteh | exactly .. i needed the n900 to be able to phone and surf from my sofa and from the toilet |
| 09:20.03 | mece | tybollt, no, but the people on this channel.... |
| 09:20.05 | mece | :) |
| 09:20.05 | Anidel | ah:D |
| 09:20.10 | phr | i feel like the n900 has bugs and that i should hold out for the n910... wasn't the n900 supposed to be step 4 of 5? |
| 09:20.13 | tybollt | mece: course, I know I am >:) |
| 09:20.24 | tybollt | well |
| 09:20.47 | cehteh | i doubt the n910 will have less bugs when released |
| 09:20.57 | Anidel | I am as well, but not all the people are... and be realistic.. an N900 is underused if used only at home with wlan. |
| 09:21.13 | Anidel | phr: look at Nexus One bugs on 3G |
| 09:21.19 | lardman|home | what image width do people use with MMS? |
| 09:21.28 | phr | whats nexus 1? |
| 09:21.29 | Anidel | and Android is been around for several years already on HTC Phones.. |
| 09:21.37 | Anidel | phr: Google Phone |
| 09:21.42 | tybollt | the rumours have it the next maemi device will be a capacitive one... I have a hard time figuring how that will fly... If you want to use "real" webpages and not iphon:ish specially-crafted ones you pretty much have to have the stick and a resistive screen |
| 09:21.50 | cehteh | Anidel: relly i need an gps and camera but not much phone when leaving the house |
| 09:21.53 | Anidel | that's to say every phone every OS has bugs.. |
| 09:21.56 | Corsac | lardman|home: is there a standard? |
| 09:22.03 | Corsac | lardman|home: i'd say something like 320x240 (or so) |
| 09:22.14 | Hukka | phr: Whoa, don't read the news? |
| 09:22.16 | cehteh | ok bit maps and agps .. but you dont need much data for that (consider that you can prefetch maps) |
| 09:22.19 | lardman|home | tybollt: they said multitouch would proibablt be supported not that it would necessarily be capacative |
| 09:22.26 | lardman|home | Corsac: thanks |
| 09:22.29 | Anidel | cehteh, that's you .. I do need it .. so yeah.. just need to say there are people who do, and people who don't.. but if someone needs to flip a coin, then he has to know, right? |
| 09:22.39 | tybollt | lardman|home: ? multitouch resistive? This exist? |
| 09:22.42 | hrw | morning |
| 09:22.45 | cehteh | tybollt: yes |
| 09:22.50 | phr | i guess i saw something about the google phone but i want something hackable |
| 09:22.53 | hrw | Stskeeps: thx |
| 09:22.55 | phr | and i want the big camera |
| 09:23.00 | tybollt | cehteh: oi, didn't know, pardon my ignorance |
| 09:23.03 | Corsac | lardman|home: just my humble opinion though |
| 09:23.06 | cehteh | but i guess they go capacitative because its a buzzword ... even if not better :( |
| 09:23.14 | Anidel | phr, n900 is the most hackable phone out there |
| 09:23.25 | Anidel | phr, and the closer to a real Linux distro on a phone out there |
| 09:23.27 | phr | anidel right, it's the only hi-end phone of any interest to me right now |
| 09:23.42 | Anidel | phr, I don't see anything else at all.. |
| 09:24.00 | phr | i guess i could get a GSM card for a netbook... |
| 09:24.02 | tybollt | cehteh: is there a device out there that has that? |
| 09:24.03 | Anidel | phr, Google Phone and Pre are only based on Linux, but they aim to be phone for regular users, not hackable devices |
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| 09:24.29 | hrw | Anidel: openmoko phones are more hackable then n900 |
| 09:24.37 | Anidel | I read N900 screen is a mix of capacitive and resistive, that's why people are able to turn the screen on if they put it next to a magnet |
| 09:24.58 | Hukka | phr, Anidel: And I suppose the moblin phones are around the corner now |
| 09:24.58 | Anidel | hrw, but they don't have that much power |
| 09:25.11 | hrw | Anidel: for n900 you have to wait for code drops from nokia to get info what is developed |
| 09:25.24 | Anidel | Hukka, wanna see how hackable are those.. we'll see.. but they are still around the corner, same for openmoko ones |
| 09:25.24 | hrw | wants n900 kernel git tree access |
| 09:25.28 | lardman|home | hmm, so will fMMS scale my photo before sending it? |
| 09:25.34 | Anidel | hrw, so what? |
| 09:25.47 | cehteh | tybollt: nothing i know |
| 09:25.47 | Anidel | lardman|home, I hope so :) I think it asks |
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| 09:26.05 | phr | openmoko is a pretty wimpy computer compared to the n900 |
| 09:26.14 | hrw | Anidel: there are still closed components required to get Nxxx working ;( |
| 09:26.15 | Stskeeps | hrw: at least it's getting better with gitorious |
| 09:26.16 | konttori_nokia | lardman|home, it's supposed to scale |
| 09:26.23 | lardman|home | Anidel: yeah it does ok, thanks |
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| 09:26.39 | phr | and again, i'm pretty keen on using that 5mp camera |
| 09:26.42 | cehteh | Anidel: magnets dont affect apacitative screens .. but there is a magnet switch for the slide kiyboard which activates the screen |
| 09:26.45 | konttori_nokia | we really need to integrate fmms properly to the user flow. |
| 09:26.47 | Anidel | hrw, I know.. but why you woulnd't want those? I mean why you need to remove those to be able to hack? |
| 09:26.55 | konttori_nokia | e.g. add a sharing plugin that uses fmms |
| 09:26.59 | Anidel | cehteh, ah the switch is magnetic? |
| 09:27.00 | lardman|home | hmm, people driving up the wrong side of the road |
| 09:27.19 | cehteh | less wear and problems with wear and dust |
| 09:27.24 | hrw | Anidel: because I may want to have total control on device? |
| 09:27.28 | Anidel | cehteh, didn't know that.. cool.. still I read the n900 screen is R-resistor, something like that if that even exists |
| 09:27.30 | cehteh | err ... - one wear :) |
| 09:27.39 | cehteh | dunno |
| 09:27.46 | cehteh | its very sensitive anyways |
| 09:27.52 | cehteh | i liked it |
| 09:28.01 | cehteh | well waiting for a new device :P |
| 09:28.06 | lardman|home | konttori_nokia: yeah, having to setup your own APN is a pita |
| 09:28.13 | Anidel | hrw, so get a beagle board.. why would you want to change, say, the gps module? I mean I don't care if the driver that drives the hardware is closed source as long as they let me control it.. and the n900 is as open as it gets and it's improving.. |
| 09:28.29 | lardman|home | hmm, seems to have locked up for me anyway, Send button is blue & nothing's happening |
| 09:28.31 | cehteh | i really thing the resistive screen is awesome compared to capacitative ones |
| 09:28.32 | Anidel | konttori_nokia, a sharing plugin to send mms.. nice |
| 09:28.41 | hrw | Anidel: I have 3 beagleboards on desk |
| 09:28.47 | cehteh | but there exist compuund technologies which use both |
| 09:28.51 | tybollt | cehteh++ |
| 09:29.00 | Anidel | lardman|home, a friend of mine tested it and sent several mmses before realizing it was actually working :) |
| 09:29.06 | Stskeeps | konttori_nokia: think it's just a matter of pointing frals in the right direction :) |
| 09:29.07 | cehteh | but most this stuff is rather academic .. finally only price matters |
| 09:29.07 | Anidel | hrw, so you're a different beast :) |
| 09:29.10 | hrw | Anidel: one of them has expansion board which exists in ~20 copies and only 2 of them in Europe |
| 09:29.32 | phr | is that the usb socket on the left edge? |
| 09:29.38 | phr | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/image-gallery/#3 |
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| 09:29.46 | Anidel | hrw, I think you'll never see a phone like the one you want... |
| 09:29.54 | tybollt | cehteh: to whom? I've spent so much money to find a good phone... n900 looking very much like it... |
| 09:30.11 | Anidel | phr, is a microusb socket |
| 09:30.28 | hrw | Anidel: I have: 2x neo1973, nokia 770/n810/n900, sharp zaurus c760, atmel at91sam9263ek devboard, sim.one devboard, STEricsson NHK15 devboard, atmel NGW100 devboard, 3x beagleboards, 2x bug devices and few x86 devices |
| 09:30.35 | cehteh | for nokia .. making profit by using the cheapest (well hopefully still quality) parts |
| 09:30.53 | phr | they make profit on the $39.95 batteries !@#$^%&^* :) |
| 09:30.54 | Anidel | hrw, eheh as I told you, you're a totally different beast.. no one will ever built a phone for *you* |
| 09:31.11 | Anidel | cehteh, who else doesn't ? |
| 09:31.13 | phr | if i get one i'm gonna build an AA power pack for it |
| 09:31.13 | cehteh | phr: micro usb .. thats standard ,, but dont mix that with mini usb |
| 09:31.44 | Anidel | hrw, I saw the Neo at the nokia event in london last year.. a guy had it ant the N900 meet up event.. |
| 09:32.00 | phr | the usb is on the same side as the camera lens? damn |
| 09:32.09 | phr | it's possible to power the 900 thru the usb, right? |
| 09:32.16 | phr | i mean is that how you charge it? |
| 09:32.17 | Anidel | I saw at CES a charger that gets its power from a WiFi signal.. pretty cool |
| 09:32.25 | konttori_nokia | lardman|home, I think we could, as a community provide a pre-defined list of APNs for each operator. |
| 09:32.26 | cehteh | hehe yes .. i wished usb and headphone jack would be on the opposite side each |
| 09:32.31 | cehteh | but well :) |
| 09:32.32 | konttori_nokia | fmms could then start to use that db. |
| 09:32.33 | Anidel | phr you only charge it thru the usb |
| 09:32.57 | RST38h | moos |
| 09:33.03 | konttori_nokia | it could just get the operator from the device SIM card, and then use that to map to correct mms APN from the db |
| 09:33.04 | Anidel | moos back at RST38h |
| 09:33.13 | phr | i'm thinking of putting a hunk of velcro in the blank area next to the lens |
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| 09:33.26 | phr | and sticking a 4aa battery pack there |
| 09:33.36 | X-Fade | konttori_nokia: I wonder if we can't just take the list nokia has for this? |
| 09:33.44 | X-Fade | konttori_nokia: They must have this data somewhere ;) |
| 09:33.53 | phr | 110mm... its smaller than the 770 |
| 09:33.54 | pronto | so who here acutly uses that Ovi thing? |
| 09:34.16 | phr | hmm, there is no tripod socket |
| 09:34.43 | phr | is there a suction cup clamp thingie to put it on your windshield for the gps? |
| 09:35.05 | Anidel | X-Fade, but that db has only one APN per carrier |
| 09:35.12 | phr | if the n900 lets me get rid of my digicam, phone, netbook, AND gps, it gets interesting... |
| 09:35.30 | X-Fade | Anidel: Obviously that is because the plain N900 only needs that. |
| 09:35.31 | Anidel | X-Fade, and doesn't hold the MMS APN and related settings.. not sure it could be expanded |
| 09:35.53 | X-Fade | Anidel: But I think this info is available on other nokia phones? |
| 09:36.03 | Anidel | X-Fade, not really true as a bug report showed there is need for more APNs for carrier even without counting the MMS one, but that's a different matter |
| 09:36.08 | cehteh | Anidel: there is a bug for that, please vote for it |
| 09:36.18 | Anidel | X-Fade, not sure, may be they get it from the network directly? |
| 09:36.27 | Anidel | cehteh, know that |
| 09:36.36 | Anidel | cehteh, I'm following it |
| 09:36.36 | X-Fade | Anidel: yeah, but we can work around that by just disconnecting, and reconnecting etc. |
| 09:36.43 | X-Fade | Anidel: Not pretty, but works. |
| 09:36.47 | tybollt | phr: yes... when the N get turn-by-turn ovi maps and a car-dashboard-mount it will be the ultimate device >:) |
| 09:36.52 | cehteh | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5791 |
| 09:36.53 | povbot` | Bug 5791: Unable to set alternate APN |
| 09:36.57 | Anidel | X-Fade, yup |
| 09:37.11 | acidjazz | where can i read about hte new stuff in that last maemo patch?? |
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| 09:37.17 | phr | if there's a dash mount i can probably hack a tripod socket onto it.. i want to use the 900 as an automated camera |
| 09:37.19 | X-Fade | Anidel: I guess concentrating on what we can do is the smart thing here ;) |
| 09:37.23 | Anidel | X-Fade, but still, probably there will be a need for a community provided db |
| 09:37.46 | Anidel | X-Fade, that's what I am trying to do.. if we can use that data from Nokia, fine.. but I doubt so |
| 09:37.53 | X-Fade | Anidel: Sure, can even be just a text file in a git somewhere ;) |
| 09:38.04 | X-Fade | Anidel: Where the app just downloads the file. |
| 09:38.25 | pronto | http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ why is that no longer working? |
| 09:38.30 | Anidel | X-Fade, yes... and I like the idea of having it as a sharing plug-in as well |
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| 09:39.00 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Thanks for catorise. I like it ;) |
| 09:39.06 | phr | i ordered some crap from dealextreme earlier tonight... resisted the urge to toss one of their junky bl-5j clone batteries into the order (for the n900 that i don't have) |
| 09:39.08 | Anidel | whoot, Downloads section disappeard from maemo.org ??? |
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| 09:39.18 | pronto | seems like it |
| 09:39.29 | Anidel | jaffa was on the train back home last time I've heard |
| 09:39.45 | Anidel | X-Fade, working on the maemo.org website ? |
| 09:39.49 | acidjazz | looks like theyre messing w/ their site |
| 09:40.09 | X-Fade | Anidel: I think there is a broken style somewhere. There is work going on, yes. |
| 09:40.15 | Anidel | okay... |
| 09:40.27 | X-Fade | Although it should not break obviously :) |
| 09:40.53 | Anidel | may be a small note on the main page stating there's work in progress and you might be experiencing issues... |
| 09:40.55 | Anidel | :p :) |
| 09:40.55 | lardman|home | Anidel: check Google Latitude and see where Jaffa is? ;) |
| 09:41.02 | Anidel | right :) |
| 09:41.12 | Anidel | but I don't have him I think.. let me see |
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| 09:41.47 | Anidel | I hate the new Google home page fade-in effect |
| 09:42.30 | Anidel | I don't.. and, lardman|home, your in an unknown location :) |
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| 09:43.02 | lardman|home | will be updated soon |
| 09:43.39 | lardman|home | hmm, where is Web located when using Jaffa's new menu organiser app? |
| 09:43.59 | lardman|home | I should have been updated now Anidel |
| 09:44.35 | Anidel | yep it did |
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| 09:46.19 | lardman|home | hmm, can't work out how to zoom to someone's location, not that Jaffa is actually showing anything anyway |
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| 09:47.01 | lardman|home | ah, option not there for Jaffa |
| 09:47.35 | phr | http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Nokia_N900_Gets_a_Firmware_Update/551-108659-580.html |
| 09:48.09 | konttori_nokia | X-Fade, could be. I can check if it's available. But I doubt we can publish it. There are probably contracts set between nokia and operators on this kind of information |
| 09:48.33 | X-Fade | konttori_nokia: Yeah, not sure about that either ;) |
| 09:49.09 | phr | what's this db you're discussing? i don't recognise the different acronyms |
| 09:49.19 | Anidel | I need to check if now the sharing APIs are public... |
| 09:49.24 | lardman|home | It must also sometimes work over the air though, e.g. when I go abroad? |
| 09:49.42 | hrw | Jaffa: catorise roxx! |
| 09:49.56 | lardman|home | hrw: can you see Web in there? |
| 09:50.24 | lardman|home | konttori_nokia: or does each phone have a list of every possible mobile network, I can't see that happening |
| 09:50.27 | hrw | lardman|home: only in All |
| 09:50.33 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: any opinion on http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/extras.png btw? (it seems like SSH keys are actually required to do extras web upload) |
| 09:50.47 | lardman|home | hrw: ok, so I'm not going mad :) |
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| 09:53.31 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Legacy. But you don't have to upload keys, you do have to accept the invitation though.. |
| 09:54.19 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: In ths case the user didn't accept that yet. |
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| 09:54.58 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: hmm, okay |
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| 09:55.50 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i guess my state (it was my account) was stuck somewhere then |
| 09:56.05 | Stskeeps | it would first allow me to continue after adding ssh key so |
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| 09:56.48 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: What if you do what the text says? |
| 09:57.11 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: it asks me to fill in ssh keys |
| 09:57.22 | Stskeeps | well, at least that's what it did last night |
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| 09:58.19 | Stskeeps | didn't take no keys for an answer (i think, was kinda late) and when i added keys it let me on |
| 09:59.39 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I think blablabla will work. |
| 09:59.46 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 10:00.34 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: But yeah, that needs to be made optional. |
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| 10:09.47 | hrw | lardman|home: catorise needs few tweaks possible |
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| 10:11.08 | alekseiko | Hi all! |
| 10:11.42 | alekseiko | i have a trouble with wifi connection on my nokia n810 |
| 10:12.03 | alekseiko | Could we help me... |
| 10:12.18 | mrmg | Hi guys |
| 10:12.27 | mrmg | Arkenoi: Reboot? |
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| 10:13.45 | Arkenoi | mrmg: done that at least twice |
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| 10:13.51 | mrmg | :( |
| 10:16.12 | alekseiko | Connectivity hasn't found new wifi networks |
| 10:18.22 | joppu | AndrewFBlack-Wor: pong |
| 10:18.57 | Stskeeps | morning joppu |
| 10:19.47 | Stskeeps | joppu: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/creative-use-of-madde-new-way-for-theme.html - just uploaded imagemagick to extras so the resulting themes should be possible to build in extras now :P |
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| 10:20.37 | hrw | Jaffa: s/alpha/default/g in catorise and better chance for users to get correct icons |
| 10:20.49 | hrw | I have digital nature ones |
| 10:23.43 | joppu | I'm kinda sick atm and tied to bed :/ |
| 10:24.01 | joppu | Fortunately I have my n900 :D |
| 10:24.18 | pupnik9 | lets see the power of python... a timer app - that counts down from a number to zero - requires close to a megabyte |
| 10:24.26 | Stskeeps | tablets are excellent for sick days |
| 10:25.16 | alterego | pupnik9: something that small would be better in C :P |
| 10:25.41 | hrw | lardman|home: I think I know why there is no browser |
| 10:25.45 | alterego | Interpreters do tend to have a pretty high memory footprint from the get go. |
| 10:26.08 | lardman|home | hrw: why's that? |
| 10:26.24 | hrw | moment - need to recheck |
| 10:26.37 | lardman|home | one of the settings in the .desktop file? |
| 10:26.57 | lardman|home | remembers the talk of how to hack phone onto each desktop |
| 10:27.28 | hrw | lardman|home: there is no 'browser' package and catorise uses packages for checking section |
| 10:27.42 | adalal | anyone aware on how to get the n900 to work handsfree on a desktop computer (linux based) |
| 10:28.00 | lardman|home | ah ok |
| 10:28.10 | lardman|home | ~curse Windows applications for stealing the focus |
| 10:28.11 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Windows applications for stealing the focus ! |
| 10:28.15 | hrw | lardman|home: maemosec_certman_mimehandler, as-daemon are also skipped |
| 10:28.18 | joppu | Stskeeps: Is it possible to include maemo-sb-icon and the bug tracker in the scr package? These are kinda required for Extras distrobution, |
| 10:28.18 | rmrfchik | Arkenoi: lol hi |
| 10:28.35 | lardman|home | hrw: ok |
| 10:29.07 | phr | python is pretty bloated |
| 10:29.15 | phr | there are some much smaller interpreters |
| 10:29.21 | phr | lua |
| 10:29.22 | phr | hedgehog lisp |
| 10:29.24 | phr | picolisp |
| 10:29.30 | phr | tcl :P |
| 10:29.38 | hrw | /usr/share/applications/hildon/browser.desktop is not present in package |
| 10:29.40 | Stskeeps | joppu: yes of course :) give me a patch or what i should insert? |
| 10:29.42 | rmrfchik | picolisp is avail on maemo? |
| 10:29.53 | hrw | hmm |
| 10:30.14 | phr | i doubt anyone has picolisp running on maemo but it should be easy to port |
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| 10:31.12 | alterego | I ported tinyscheme a while back. |
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| 10:31.22 | alterego | Never bothered packaging or uploading it though. |
| 10:31.35 | phr | i don't like lisp very much these days... i've been wanting to adapt an ML compiler to make hedgehog bytecode or something similar |
| 10:31.41 | alterego | Just fancied a play with it on the N810 |
| 10:31.42 | pupnik9 | at least we have the choice of what we want to install |
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| 10:32.05 | lardman|home | hmm, snowing again here now :) |
| 10:32.59 | rmrfchik | ahhh. i remember this lame lisp. burn it |
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| 10:33.23 | hrw | found |
| 10:33.34 | Untouchab1e | Hi all |
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| 10:33.55 | phr | how big is tinyscheme? i wasn't familiar with it |
| 10:33.57 | Untouchab1e | I am still slightly confused as how to best get started on Maemo application development.. |
| 10:34.02 | phr | gimp switched to it from guile! |
| 10:34.04 | phr | ?! |
| 10:34.12 | Untouchab1e | Each time I get a totally different answer |
| 10:34.18 | hrw | Jaffa: you cannot just read desktop file... you need to parse it. browser.desktop has few ^Type= lines and only first one is Type=Application - rest are Type=Neutral and thats why it got skipped |
| 10:34.52 | joppu | Stskeeps: Well, here's my debian control file: http://joppu.pastebin.com/d61e45750 |
| 10:34.58 | Untouchab1e | Anyone want to help me get started, or at least point me in a direction? |
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| 10:35.38 | rmrfchik | chicken scheme is amazing [on desktop] |
| 10:35.49 | rmrfchik | i switched from plt for hackign and it great |
| 10:37.55 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 10:38.07 | Stskeeps | wasn't there some script that converted into XB-Maemo-Icon? |
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| 10:38.35 | Untouchab1e | Anyone? |
| 10:38.55 | Untouchab1e | Is this good reading? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 10:39.33 | lardman|home | whoa, whole desktop has rotated |
| 10:39.40 | lardman|home | not supposed to do that is it? |
| 10:40.29 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.45 | hrw | perl magicians: how to reverse check? |
| 10:40.48 | Untouchab1e | :/ |
| 10:41.13 | vesa | Untouchab1e: i'd just get the ubuntu vmware image and run that in vmware player |
| 10:41.23 | vesa | easiest way to get things set up |
| 10:41.27 | Untouchab1e | I got ubuntu up ;) |
| 10:41.29 | Untouchab1e | just wondering where to go from there |
| 10:41.44 | adeus | that's a good start |
| 10:41.46 | vesa | i haven't done any of that manual installing stuff |
| 10:42.02 | vesa | way too hard, image = copiable, backupable. just easy. |
| 10:42.25 | Trizt | anyone working on a alternative mail application for maemo5? |
| 10:42.27 | glass_ | vesa: and less chance of messing your desktop |
| 10:42.34 | vesa | aye |
| 10:42.55 | Untouchab1e | so, yeah.. how do i get everything set up? |
| 10:43.14 | vesa | Trizt: there's claws... which is quite horrible at the moment on the n900 |
| 10:43.20 | Untouchab1e | I am bit confused as that what I should use.. |
| 10:43.26 | kirma | hmmh. idea of the day: application that runs when camera app is running - and draws overlay hint for orientation on viewfinder to say when camera is "properly aligned" (==houses don't lean one or another way on results, etc...) |
| 10:43.39 | kirma | shouldn't be exceedingly hard to implement |
| 10:43.55 | alterego | kirma: using accelerometer? |
| 10:43.59 | vesa | Untouchab1e: what do you run as your desktop? |
| 10:43.59 | kirma | exactly |
| 10:44.02 | hrw | vesa: but at least claws works |
| 10:44.02 | alterego | neat idea |
| 10:44.11 | Untouchab1e | vesa: Ubuntu? (Gnome)? |
| 10:44.15 | Trizt | vesa: okey, memory leaking thing like the default one? |
| 10:44.32 | kirma | detecting when camera viewfinder window is active might be small challenge though |
| 10:44.53 | vesa | Untouchab1e: if you're good using your desktop for development then follow the instructions you posted. should get you started. |
| 10:45.34 | vesa | Untouchab1e: just saying if you run osx or windows or otherwise don't want your desktop to get wonky i'd put my money on using a vmware image. |
| 10:45.45 | joppu | Stskeeps: Yeah, it's Base64 encoded |
| 10:45.46 | vesa | it's all personal preference |
| 10:46.02 | vesa | Trizt: the default one isn't perfect but atleast it doesn't need a stylus =) |
| 10:46.15 | joppu | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package |
| 10:46.21 | Stskeeps | joppu: could be nice to automate it so |
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| 10:46.42 | vesa | hrw: it might work but it's horrible to use. |
| 10:46.59 | Stskeeps | joppu: actually within the template there's a place for icon |
| 10:47.04 | Stskeeps | at least when i checked before |
| 10:47.06 | Untouchab1e | vesa I have always been running Ubuntu on this computer ;) |
| 10:47.06 | Trizt | vesa; I get out of memory problems constantly and it don't manage to fetch mail from my inbox, keeps on for all time until run out of ram |
| 10:47.10 | Untouchab1e | thats not the problem.. |
| 10:47.37 | joppu | Stskeeps: Yeah, but that is just for the theme selection template, the XB-icon is for HAM |
| 10:48.02 | Untouchab1e | but I am just slightly confused over the development environment.. Gtk, Hildon, etc.. |
| 10:48.18 | vesa | Trizt: my only gripe is that the updates happen when it feels like it. maybe. sometimes it has a hard time fetching the folders of imap accounts etc. but mostly it works. |
| 10:48.31 | Untouchab1e | Like, when I developed Android apps, I just downloaded the SDK and used Eclipse, and for my WinMo apps, I use Visual Studio along with the compact .net framework |
| 10:48.45 | hrw | vesa: switching from Symbian to Maemo5 made me mailless |
| 10:48.52 | Untouchab1e | but with the N900, I cant really get the hang of what to use |
| 10:49.10 | alterego | Untouchab1e: the SDK |
| 10:49.36 | andre__ | Untouchab1e: Gtk, Hildon are just a toolkit. WinMo also has a toolkit, but simply no name for it :-P |
| 10:49.39 | Untouchab1e | yeah, downloading and installing the SDK is simple enough, but it would be nice with some kind of visual tool to handle the GUI |
| 10:49.44 | Trizt | vesa; is there any way to disable it, when it's running it draws like 60-90% of the cpu |
| 10:49.50 | andre__ | isn't there MADDE? |
| 10:50.12 | alterego | Untouchab1e: how do you mean? What GUI? |
| 10:50.18 | Untouchab1e | let me rephrase then, is there some kind of Eclipse/Visual Studio equivalent that I can use to make the GUI design easier instead of coding it.. (GUI of the app) |
| 10:50.42 | Untouchab1e | oh, and Qt? |
| 10:50.47 | alterego | Untouchab1e: if you're using Qt, then QtDesigner, if you're using Gtk, then you might be able to use glade |
| 10:50.55 | Untouchab1e | ok.. |
| 10:51.01 | lupine_85 | .glade files are cross-platform, thankfully |
| 10:51.09 | alterego | There is no eclipse integration of those tools as far as I know. |
| 10:51.09 | lupine_85 | Just make sure you use Gtk::Builder |
| 10:51.12 | Untouchab1e | so, if I have the SDK + QtDesigner, Im good to go? |
| 10:51.37 | lupine_85 | ho de hum, no ipv6 support? |
| 10:51.38 | alterego | Untouchab1e: well, you're ready to go, I don't know how good you are ::P |
| 10:51.41 | frals | <Stskeeps> konttori_nokia: think it's just a matter of pointing frals in the right direction :) <- correct, im open for suggestions ;) |
| 10:51.42 | lupine_85 | that's... disappointing |
| 10:51.55 | Untouchab1e | the coding itself shouldnt be a problem... just setting up is what is bothering me |
| 10:52.24 | lardman|home | frals: the To: button doesn't seem to do anything (e.g. open the contact db), is that right? |
| 10:52.30 | lupine_85 | anyone touched the N900's kernel by any chance? |
| 10:52.59 | frals | lardman: yeah, not implemented yet - python is missing the osso-abook wrappers but ive figured out how to do it now |
| 10:53.34 | adeus | qtdesigner is dead |
| 10:53.43 | adeus | qtcreator |
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| 10:54.38 | lardman|home | frals: cool |
| 10:56.02 | lupine_85 | yep, complete lack of AF_INET6 support |
| 10:56.10 | lupine_85 | despite compiling busybox with ping6 |
| 10:56.14 | lupine_85 | weird |
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| 10:59.12 | konttori_nokia | frals, we were discussing that it would be great to make a sharing plugin. |
| 10:59.29 | konttori_nokia | and that it would also make sense if community would create a database with the operator settings |
| 11:00.05 | lopz | ep :] |
| 11:01.57 | frals | yeah those would be nice to add - esp the database with operator settings |
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| 11:03.18 | frals | also atm im hoping the "sharing plugin commandline" or what the project is called produces something soon, as i got a cli sendscript which could use and that would solve the sharing part :) |
| 11:04.28 | konttori_nokia | and that you would retrieve from sim card the operator codes and use that to map to the db |
| 11:04.43 | konttori_nokia | frals, sounds great! |
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| 11:08.56 | hrw | lardman|home: want to check my ver of catorise? |
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| 11:11.10 | apol | i have my n900 rebooting all the time and the NSU doesn't detect my device. how should i do that? |
| 11:11.30 | apol | (i want to flash it and its in a reboot loop) |
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| 11:11.47 | ifreq | google n900 usb boot mode |
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| 11:18.13 | frals | anyone know how to make the N900 autoconnect to a specfici GPRS connection? |
| 11:18.43 | frals | since people have started complaining it autoconnects to their MMS one instead of the "Internet" one after adding another with my program ;o |
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| 11:19.16 | X-Fade | frals: Alphabetical order? :) |
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| 11:20.09 | frals | I don't *think* it is, since it prefers "Orange MMS" over "Orange" (from what I've gathered, I could be wrong though) |
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| 11:22.22 | apol | ifreq: when I run in usb boot mode NSU still doesn't find my device :S |
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| 11:22.45 | hrw | http://hrw.pastebin.ca/1749489 for those who use Catorise by Jabba |
| 11:22.52 | hrw | this is fixed version |
| 11:24.54 | hrw | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2010/01/12/catorise_auto_organise_n900_applications#c46567 |
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| 11:31.57 | apol | ifreq: anybody knows how can I flash a n900 if i just have usb mode? |
| 11:32.06 | apol | NSU doesn't detect it |
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| 11:34.22 | xorAxAx | hrw: is that script up in the repos somewhere? |
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| 11:35.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Angry Birds on iTunes store for 59p with all levels, no fair :( |
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| 11:38.58 | frals | this stuff is a tad worrying http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107&page=13 |
| 11:38.58 | hrw | xorAxAx: yes - catorise in extras-devel. It was written by Jaffa and I just did some fixes |
| 11:39.10 | xorAxAx | hrw: then push your changes upstream :) |
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| 11:39.50 | hrw | xorAxAx: waiting for Jaffa to wakeup |
| 11:40.09 | hrw | xorAxAx: I added comment on his blog with fixed version so he got notify |
| 11:40.15 | xorAxAx | yeah |
| 11:40.35 | Stskeeps | frals: better than the smartq5/7 forums that put a MID into a friggen x-ray machine.. |
| 11:40.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:40.43 | frals | lol |
| 11:40.47 | hrw | now I am checking how much things changed in 51.1 without 51.1 |
| 11:41.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | frals: I think he's just a touch paranoid |
| 11:43.08 | frals | oh link wasnt pointing to the right post, at the bottom of the page someone managed to break his/her connector on a sales unit |
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| 11:44.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | there's always someone frals |
| 11:44.08 | frals | yeah true |
| 11:46.27 | xorAxAx | hrw: cant find it in -devel |
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| 11:48.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | That said, I might grind my plug |
| 11:48.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | a |
| 11:48.05 | hrw | xorAxAx: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2010/01/12/catorise_auto_organise_n900_applications |
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| 11:50.35 | ccooke | Morning |
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| 11:52.13 | rmrfchik | hmm, icon pc-connectivity manager has disappered from main toolbar (where clock reside) |
| 11:52.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Mah, iPhone 3Gs loads Angry Birds considerably faster than the N900.. damn it and its single tasking cheatery |
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| 11:59.34 | Wolfie | i wish the plane game would be less choppy |
| 11:59.47 | Wolfie | it's not like it would be crysis... |
| 12:00.39 | cehteh | overclock your gpu :P |
| 12:01.59 | xorAxAx | ruskie: why the tmproot bind mount? |
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| 12:02.48 | pekuja | cehteh: I'm guessing the game doesn't use the GPU |
| 12:02.51 | timeless_mbp | looks for a finn |
| 12:03.03 | pekuja | all of the Offscreen games are terribly choppy |
| 12:03.03 | timeless_mbp | hi pekuja , your country and your compatriots suck. |
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| 12:03.19 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 12:03.41 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: thanks |
| 12:03.54 | timeless_mbp | but hopefully you knew that ;-) |
| 12:04.01 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: you seem to hail from a .fi host yourself |
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| 12:04.08 | timeless_mbp | yes, i'm a victim |
| 12:04.14 | ruskie | xorAxAx, to be able to remove the old data that's still in place... it's optional really |
| 12:04.15 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: you *chose* to come here |
| 12:04.19 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: I was born here. I had no choice. |
| 12:04.24 | ruskie | without it you'll just have the same space as before |
| 12:04.24 | timeless_mbp | i was misled |
| 12:04.27 | Untouchab1e | While installing the SDK, (using the python script), i got an error midway in the installation |
| 12:04.28 | Untouchab1e | Failed to install Nokia Binaries, giving up |
| 12:04.30 | timeless_mbp | yeah, you get sympathy from me :) |
| 12:04.31 | xorAxAx | ruskie: i dont understand |
| 12:04.31 | Untouchab1e | any ideas? |
| 12:04.39 | ruskie | xorAxAx, you do a cp not a mv |
| 12:04.46 | ruskie | so the old files remain in /usr |
| 12:04.47 | Untouchab1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.47 | Untouchab1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.48 | Untouchab1e | Exception: Failed to install Nokia Binaries, giving up |
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| 12:05.03 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: not that I'm sure what your problem with Finland is |
| 12:05.16 | timeless_mbp | pekuja: total lack of understanding of the concept of 'service' |
| 12:05.16 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: unless maybe it's the cold weather, or the introverted people |
| 12:05.25 | ruskie | xorAxAx, once you reboot to the new setup you might want to remove the old files... to gain access to them the bind will give you access |
| 12:05.33 | timeless_mbp | i just spent time dealing w/ Welho "customer service" |
| 12:05.39 | timeless_mbp | their menu starts with "press 2 for English" |
| 12:05.40 | timeless_mbp | so i press 2 |
| 12:05.55 | timeless_mbp | and after a while of waiting, i get someone who answers the phone in Finnish |
| 12:05.59 | ruskie | pres 4 for Svahilli |
| 12:06.01 | xorAxAx | ruskie: ah, the bind mount reveals the real root directory? |
| 12:06.04 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: yeah, Welho is obviously representative of the whole country |
| 12:06.10 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: did the person understand English? |
| 12:06.10 | ruskie | xorAxAx, yup |
| 12:06.10 | timeless_mbp | and whose command of the English language is insufficient to offer customer support |
| 12:06.19 | timeless_mbp | pekuja: understand? yes |
| 12:06.22 | ruskie | xorAxAx, since /usr is then mounted over with the modified one |
| 12:06.22 | xorAxAx | ruskie: should the last step be done after or before the reboot? |
| 12:06.24 | timeless_mbp | could speak / command the language? no |
| 12:06.34 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: :-/ |
| 12:06.46 | timeless_mbp | failed to explain "could you please give me the pin code so the service agent can enter your apartment complex" |
| 12:06.50 | Untouchab1e | anyone? |
| 12:06.56 | murrayc | Has anyone else seen a few corrupt pixels around the x window title button? |
| 12:06.58 | ruskie | xorAxAx, post reboot |
| 12:07.02 | murrayc | I'm getting it on my new N900. |
| 12:07.03 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: iiiiääääiiii perkele iiiii#äääääiiii |
| 12:07.09 | xorAxAx | ruskie: why? |
| 12:07.13 | timeless_mbp | the words came out so garbled it sounded like a request about an external window |
| 12:07.19 | ruskie | else you might destabilise the running system |
| 12:07.23 | timeless_mbp | in fact, i think she mentioned 'external' and 'window' |
| 12:07.38 | ruskie | because apps might have stuff open in /usr |
| 12:07.45 | xorAxAx | ruskie: indeed, open dirs |
| 12:08.14 | ruskie | timeless_mbp, maybe it was babelfish translation ;o) |
| 12:08.16 | xorAxAx | ruskie: now package it and push it to -devel :-) |
| 12:08.28 | ruskie | xorAxAx, lol... that sounds insane |
| 12:08.54 | xorAxAx | ruskie: why, if nokia manages do perform complex SSU, you can also repartition :) |
| 12:08.58 | ruskie | I might have something else for -devel sometime... but need to finish writting it up first |
| 12:09.05 | xorAxAx | what else? :) |
| 12:09.12 | ruskie | it's a secret |
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| 12:09.24 | andre__ | murrayc: I've seen this too in 1.2009.44-1, haven't seen in later internal releases |
| 12:09.32 | ruskie | xorAxAx, as confident as I am in my shell scripting skills, I'm well aware that there would be users that wouldn't know what do actually do with it |
| 12:09.36 | timeless_mbp | ruskie: babelfish would have been better |
| 12:09.50 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 12:09.56 | timeless_mbp | my DVR finished scanning |
| 12:10.00 | timeless_mbp | the dialog now says: |
| 12:10.02 | murrayc | andre__: Thanks. It must be some strange combination of the software version versus the hardware version. I don't get it with my loan N900 with the same software version. |
| 12:10.02 | timeless_mbp | No Channel |
| 12:10.03 | timeless_mbp | Press OK |
| 12:10.07 | ruskie | hmm pin to enter appartment complex |
| 12:10.47 | timeless_mbp | ruskie: a 4 digit sequence (typically) to enter on an (optional) keypad at the front entrance |
| 12:11.05 | murrayc | andre__: http://www.flickr.com/photos/murrayc/4271546396/ |
| 12:11.10 | timeless_mbp | it's fairly common in Finland, or at least in Helsinki and its suburbs |
| 12:11.18 | ruskie | gimme a single-biometric scanner and a chip card and it would probably be quite decent security |
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| 12:11.38 | Stskeeps | ruskie: fairly common in .pl too it seems |
| 12:11.43 | Stskeeps | well, apartment number + pin |
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| 12:11.55 | ruskie | haven't seen it here as of yet |
| 12:11.57 | andre__ | murrayc: core sgx issues IIRC, in several places (also screen calibration and New event button in calendar in 42-11)... |
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| 12:12.43 | murrayc | andre__: So software? |
| 12:13.10 | andre__ | murrayc, yes, definitely |
| 12:13.20 | timeless_mbp | ruskie: the idea isn't biometrics |
| 12:13.27 | timeless_mbp | it's to allow random unknown people access |
| 12:13.31 | timeless_mbp | however it isn't onetime keys |
| 12:13.42 | timeless_mbp | so it's basically Security Theater done wrong |
| 12:14.19 | ruskie | timeless_mbp, I meant the general idea of decent security is: something you are(biometrics), something you have(key/chipcard/other token) and something you know(pin/password/etc...) |
| 12:14.23 | murrayc | andre__: Thanks. Then I don't need to send it back. |
| 12:14.37 | timeless_mbp | ruskie: that isn't the point here |
| 12:14.43 | timeless_mbp | actually, i have no idea what the heck thepoint is |
| 12:15.02 | timeless_mbp | the idea that a lady over the phone would ask me for the pin to my apt so that she could give it to a contracting agency |
| 12:15.07 | timeless_mbp | which would then give it to a dispatcher |
| 12:15.13 | timeless_mbp | which would then give it to a contractor |
| 12:15.15 | timeless_mbp | .... |
| 12:15.15 | woglinde | iris control with the backcam |
| 12:15.16 | woglinde | haha |
| 12:15.31 | timeless_mbp | it isn't like they'll tell me in advance which idiot is coming |
| 12:15.37 | ruskie | we tend to give a spare key to the postman so he can get to the mailboxes... other than that... nobody else has any business coming in... |
| 12:16.02 | timeless_mbp | here there are ~4 extra keys locked outside behind their own individual tumblers |
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| 12:16.21 | timeless_mbp | so the postman can use his master key to unlock the tumbler to retrieve our apt key, and get in |
| 12:16.27 | ruskie | ahh one one locked in a box for the electrical company |
| 12:16.31 | timeless_mbp | when he leaves, he returns the key to the tumbler and locks it |
| 12:16.43 | timeless_mbp | at least, that's the theory |
| 12:18.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: (iris recog) we needed to adopt NASA immage processing techniques to put this to work ;-P |
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| 12:19.58 | zash | woglinde: what? |
| 12:20.26 | murrayc | What's the default "lock code" on the N900? I need it to restore the settings on my loan N900 before sending it back. |
| 12:20.31 | Stskeeps | murrayc: 12345 i think |
| 12:20.56 | murrayc | Stskeeps: Yeah. Thanks. I had only tried 1234. |
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| 12:21.44 | murrayc | I notice that it doesn't delete accounts. |
| 12:21.53 | Stskeeps | eMMC flash? |
| 12:22.04 | murrayc | oh maybe it does. now it's rebooting. |
| 12:22.14 | Stskeeps | that's at least what i plan to do when returning mine |
| 12:22.22 | hrw | murrayc: nokia strats requesting n900s back? |
| 12:22.47 | mece | Stskeeps, Amazing, I've got the same combination on my luggage! |
| 12:22.57 | woglinde | zash only joking |
| 12:23.16 | Anidel | nice you can zoom in Angry Birds |
| 12:23.17 | murrayc | hrw: Not of me, but I want to send it away to avoid the confusion of having 2. |
| 12:23.32 | murrayc | Stskeeps: Yeah. Guess so. |
| 12:23.44 | woglinde | hrw the summit n900's |
| 12:23.51 | woglinde | only 2 months left or so |
| 12:23.59 | Anidel | I hope they'd The Pig Revenge :) |
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| 12:25.05 | timeless_mbp | having two is handy at times |
| 12:25.08 | timeless_mbp | misses having two |
| 12:25.15 | |Night| | hey, how is the GPS on the Nokia N900 |
| 12:25.21 | |Night| | is it a turn by turn gps? |
| 12:25.31 | Anidel | misses having three |
| 12:25.43 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i am kinda pondering to get two, one for own usage, one for development |
| 12:26.04 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i like: one for me, one for whomever is with me |
| 12:26.08 | timeless_mbp | it makes demos much easier |
| 12:26.09 | andre__ | Stskeeps, it's helpful for comparing issues between versions too :) |
| 12:26.17 | Anidel | |Night|, gps is good, Ovi Maps gives directions, doesn't guide you, but Sygic about to relaese one |
| 12:26.25 | woglinde | Night |
| 12:26.25 | Stskeeps | then again i should find money on the company budget for a zoom2 too, hrm |
| 12:26.28 | woglinde | ups |
| 12:26.29 | timeless_mbp | andre__: it also helps having one that can run Bounce Evolution |
| 12:26.34 | timeless_mbp | since the one i had recently didn't |
| 12:26.36 | kirma | |Night|: unfortunately not, at least yet. |
| 12:26.38 | Stskeeps | sighs a little and continues with polish homework |
| 12:26.38 | timeless_mbp | that made demos suck |
| 12:26.50 | woglinde | stskeeps why zoom2? |
| 12:26.57 | |Night| | kk kirma |
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| 12:27.05 | |Night| | when google fixes google maps for the N900 |
| 12:27.07 | |Night| | it will work |
| 12:27.11 | hrw | Stskeeps: what was given today? |
| 12:27.11 | zash | woglinde: but, focus control with a cam would be cool |
| 12:27.12 | |Night| | lets hope that soon |
| 12:27.17 | kirma | with the browser and maemo-geolocation, one could implement a web-based navigator if one wanted, though |
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| 12:27.24 | hrw | |Night|: gmaps do not cache ;( |
| 12:27.31 | |Night| | i have came down to eather NOkia N900 or HTC HD2 |
| 12:27.35 | Stskeeps | hrw: atm having fun with feminium/neutrum/masculium |
| 12:27.40 | timeless_mbp | |Night|: you can install a -location addon for microb |
| 12:27.41 | |Night| | cant seam to decide |
| 12:27.48 | Stskeeps | (sp) |
| 12:27.52 | timeless_mbp | hrw: gmaps can cache, if you enable disk cache |
| 12:28.08 | Stskeeps | woglinde: cos all the equipment i would need for a beagle would be worse than the cost of a zoom2 |
| 12:28.08 | RST38h | Famed Pentagon wildcard boffinry outfit DARPA issued a stark message today. According to the military crazytech bureau, America faces a crippling shortage of mad scientists - in particular, of mad computer scientists - in the near future, and only drastic action in the US educational system can rectify this. |
| 12:28.11 | hrw | timeless_mbp: o.. did not found that in s60 one |
| 12:28.22 | RST38h | (omg are they gonna legalize hard drugs?!? =)) |
| 12:28.23 | kirma | maps.google.com/maps/m does understand about geolocation on my n900... |
| 12:28.27 | timeless_mbp | hrw: i mean Browser on the n900 |
| 12:28.49 | |Night| | whats the "best" phone N900 or HTC HD2 |
| 12:28.49 | hrw | timeless_mbp: I thought about gmaps app not site |
| 12:28.57 | Stskeeps | |Night|: we're horribly biased in here |
| 12:29.03 | hrw | |Night|: nokia 3210 beats both |
| 12:29.10 | |Night| | as are msot ppl Stskeeps |
| 12:29.11 | timeless_mbp | |Night|: what Stskeeps said |
| 12:29.13 | chollya | Hi. Anyone tried navit on n900? |
| 12:29.16 | |Night| | thats the problem with Windmoes Mobile |
| 12:29.48 | SpeedEvil | |Night|: Does a linux computer - freely hackable - in your pocket interest you? If so - that's a plus on the n900 and almost no other phone. |
| 12:29.50 | Stskeeps | |Night|: i love my n900 and i think you would love yours like your own child. :P |
| 12:30.07 | |Night| | ^^ |
| 12:30.17 | |Night| | i have no plans to get a child i the next lets say 100 years |
| 12:30.37 | timeless_mbp | |Night|: darwin says you're helping get out of the gene pool |
| 12:30.45 | hrw | |Night|: so get both |
| 12:30.50 | mece | LOL |
| 12:30.58 | |Night| | hrw not spening 900 USD on phones |
| 12:31.05 | Stskeeps | 900? eh? :P |
| 12:31.12 | Stskeeps | isn't it like 450 these days? |
| 12:31.16 | hrw | |Night|: use coin? |
| 12:31.19 | mece | but two phones... |
| 12:31.22 | |Night| | norway its 520 |
| 12:31.23 | hrw | Stskeeps: n900+hd2 = 900 |
| 12:31.27 | |Night| | 620 |
| 12:31.31 | |Night| | exoluding taxes |
| 12:31.39 | |Night| | - |
| 12:31.50 | |Night| | i want a SCan. keybord so no use ordering a US mod. |
| 12:31.58 | Stskeeps | you don't want a scan keyboard |
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| 12:32.00 | Stskeeps | trust me on that |
| 12:32.01 | mece | |Night|, I think you're in the wrong chatroom to ask this question. |
| 12:32.35 | mece | |Night|, the keyboard cost 10⬠|
| 12:32.36 | |Night| | Stskeeps : Scandinavian keybord? |
| 12:32.40 | Stskeeps | |Night|: yeah |
| 12:32.51 | Stskeeps | |Night|: i'm danish and i definately don't want the scandinavian one. :P |
| 12:32.52 | |Night| | dont wanna fuck the warrenty with opening the phone op |
| 12:32.53 | timeless_mbp | |Night|: you really don't want the non english keyboard |
| 12:32.54 | |Night| | up |
| 12:33.05 | Stskeeps | (cursor key stuff) |
| 12:33.11 | |Night| | ah |
| 12:33.21 | |Night| | so they are differnt placed |
| 12:33.39 | hrw | |Night|: no, they are missing |
| 12:34.04 | kirma | imho, nordic keyboard is quite acceptable for my use (hint: I don't use the phone to write code) |
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| 12:34.19 | Stskeeps | afternoon ptlo |
| 12:34.31 | |Night| | wtf |
| 12:34.33 | ptlo | heya |
| 12:34.46 | kirma | maybe game use would be problematic though |
| 12:35.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | curses German kbd layout |
| 12:36.07 | ruskie | omg bug 176 is resolved fixed |
| 12:36.08 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 Ogg Vorbis support out of the box |
| 12:36.40 | range | Fixed in Harmattan! |
| 12:36.43 | Stskeeps | O_x |
| 12:36.45 | range | :) |
| 12:36.48 | Stskeeps | watches pigs flying outside |
| 12:37.14 | range | Probably a cold day in hell ... |
| 12:37.23 | ruskie | we already had a cold day in hell |
| 12:37.31 | ruskie | the day Micros~1 released code under the GPL |
| 12:37.32 | ShadowJK | did anyone see satan is on twitter now? he says he's freezing his ass off |
| 12:37.39 | |Night| | ill pick up NOkia N900 l8ter 2day |
| 12:37.40 | |Night| | :) |
| 12:37.49 | thresh | (001 |
| 12:37.51 | |Night| | found a store that has it |
| 12:38.09 | |Night| | does it play HD movies any? (mkv) |
| 12:38.29 | ShadowJK | interesting statistics... "mobile data", average per user per month: 1.5 gigabyte (finland) |
| 12:38.46 | thresh | 0n133 33ph U 7311 1t $0 |
| 12:38.51 | thresh | fear my leet skills. |
| 12:39.02 | Wolfie | ShadowJK: I would imagine the mobile internet dongles would explain those |
| 12:39.15 | kirma | btw: is there any sort of clarification on getting harmattan on N900? or is it practically open still? |
| 12:39.16 | Wolfie | those things you stick into your usb-port, to get 3g connectivity |
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| 12:39.19 | ShadowJK | it plays h264 baseline, and xvid/divx/asp/mpeg4 among other things, max resolution 800x480 |
| 12:39.35 | ShadowJK | Wolfie, sure. I've done 30 gigs in a month myself :-) |
| 12:39.40 | glass_ | Wolfie: plenty of people hit several hundred/gigs without dun use |
| 12:39.52 | glass_ | yeh, just leave torrents on |
| 12:39.54 | glass_ | :p |
| 12:39.59 | kirma | ShadowJK: where are those stats? |
| 12:40.02 | glass_ | and updates and whatever |
| 12:40.02 | Stskeeps | kirma: best way to make it happen is by contributing to mer/n900, if there's going to be an official version, who knows |
| 12:40.16 | ShadowJK | kirma, "Tietokone" arrived in my mailbox today :P |
| 12:40.20 | *** part/#maemo rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 12:40.45 | ShadowJK | Hm, the statistics on my N900 says 1.80gigabyte since 4th december.. no DUN use |
| 12:40.49 | kirma | ShadowJK: hmmh |
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| 12:41.10 | Wolfie | ShadowJK: that sounds like a lot... |
| 12:41.14 | kirma | my bill for last month stated 1.4 gigabytes, and I didn't have N900 all that time |
| 12:41.27 | range | And bug 2527 got closed, too. |
| 12:41.28 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2527 Support FLAC out of the box |
| 12:41.32 | kirma | with E90, it used to be <300 megabytes per month |
| 12:41.46 | Stskeeps | range: scary shit. did i wake up in bizarro maemo world today? |
| 12:42.11 | range | Stskeeps: Tomorrow will be the day when they say that Harmattan won't work on the n900 :) |
| 12:42.23 | Stskeeps | range: probably |
| 12:42.44 | ruskie | or even better |
| 12:42.49 | ruskie | it won't work on the following 2 devices :) |
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| 12:42.59 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 12:43.01 | ruskie | though that might actually be an improvement |
| 12:43.03 | kirma | one thing that they upgrade on next device generation must be the root flash capacity... |
| 12:43.08 | Stskeeps | ruskie: nah "Harmattan project shut down by Nokia lawyers" |
| 12:43.14 | SpeedEvil | kirma: I don't see that as important at all |
| 12:43.21 | SpeedEvil | kirma: RAM is _vastly_ more important |
| 12:43.23 | ruskie | Stskeeps, that's easy to solve with a shotgun ;) |
| 12:43.36 | ruskie | kirma, no they should just do some prope mounts and so on |
| 12:43.37 | Trizt_ | kirma: so how much do you have to pay for the 1.4g? |
| 12:43.40 | SpeedEvil | kirma: rootfs issues are dealt with by sanely handling the emmc |
| 12:43.50 | kirma | I could wish for "hacker edition" version of harmattan that could be squeezed into N900, but in non-hacker-friendly way (full reinstall and stuff probably) |
| 12:44.04 | kirma | I mean, I don't assume anything fancier to happen |
| 12:44.06 | SpeedEvil | kirma: there is no way at all to upgrade RAM. |
| 12:44.09 | SpeedEvil | (well - easily) |
| 12:44.30 | kirma | Trizt: 20 euros per month for 1 Mbps connection |
| 12:45.06 | Trizt_ | okey, thought you got a mega bill |
| 12:45.26 | ruskie | hmm I got to 700mb in the last month on the data |
| 12:45.33 | kirma | if harmattan is dramatically more memory heavy than fremantle, I'm really sort of disappointed |
| 12:45.43 | ShadowJK | pays 10E per month... and sometimes gets >5mbit/s.. I think ISP/operator must've forgot to put a throttle :-) |
| 12:46.00 | ruskie | but I pay 18eur/month for 20GB/month no speed limit(or guarantee at that ;) |
| 12:46.34 | ruskie | and I had the n900 since the 3rd of december :) |
| 12:46.43 | kirma | I downgraded from 2 Mbps to 1 couple years ago when I didn't see over 1 practically ever, but now I get that one megabit pretty much consistently everywhere I go, so increasing might make sense again |
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| 12:47.19 | pekuja | ShadowJK: or they have some "try full speed for free for a month" thing that you didn't know you had |
| 12:47.27 | ruskie | kirma, this on mobile connection? |
| 12:47.29 | ShadowJK | oh that could be it |
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| 12:47.47 | kirma | ruskie: definetly. home I have 100/10... for 20 euros :I |
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| 12:47.58 | pekuja | ShadowJK: I signed up for mobile internet a while ago and found the same thing. Then I noticed that they had some campaign going that gives me three months of full speed. |
| 12:48.00 | ruskie | hmm |
| 12:48.05 | ruskie | we don't get per speed pkgs yet |
| 12:48.14 | ruskie | only so much and much download per month |
| 12:48.21 | pekuja | kirma: nice |
| 12:48.27 | ShadowJK | It's "MegaDataEtu" from Saunalahti.. it was a special offer many years ago... originally "unlimited" speed, but then at some point they revised it and put a 2mbit limit on it when the network's hsdpa capacity grew |
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| 12:48.50 | pekuja | ShadowJK: ah, I've heard of that one. I wish I had it :-P |
| 12:49.10 | Trizt_ | kirma: thats a nice price, myself have 30/30 for 42/month |
| 12:50.00 | kirma | trizt_: house deal, really... otherwise, if it were even available, it would probably be closer to 50 euros. |
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| 12:50.26 | Trizt_ | nods |
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| 12:50.54 | Trizt | Hmm... easier to type on a big keyboard |
| 12:53.07 | Trizt | I miss a grid system when placing out icons on the n900 desktop |
| 12:53.14 | pekuja | me too |
| 12:53.14 | Corsac | agrid |
| 12:53.19 | Corsac | (:) |
| 12:53.42 | pekuja | I also want to be able to organize my applications menu |
| 12:53.50 | Corsac | pekuja: grab catorize |
| 12:54.30 | Trizt | I did edit the hildo config file and create .directory-files |
| 12:54.38 | kirma | grid wouldn't really need to be fixed on the background, but more like snap-into-neighborhood thing |
| 12:54.54 | Trizt | but I guess I will loose those with next update, damn when will it be released |
| 12:55.15 | kirma | I must say I'm slightly surprised by the fact I have something like 60 applications installed on my N900 now |
| 12:55.23 | kirma | even if half of them are practically unused |
| 12:55.36 | |Night| | is there a working spotify (with cache) for N900? |
| 12:55.49 | pekuja | Corsac: catorize? |
| 12:56.00 | SpeedEvil | kirma: only 45ish here |
| 12:56.01 | Trizt | there was some tool using despotify as base |
| 12:56.02 | kirma | in contrast with E90, where I had maybe three that I used in addition to preinstalled stuff (and out of those, 95% of use was putty use) |
| 12:56.08 | pekuja | Corsac: I'm guessing you misspelled that. I can't find it |
| 12:56.44 | Nitial | pekuja: catorise |
| 12:56.45 | Trizt | has only tools he will be using, or think he will use |
| 12:56.57 | niekt0 | I just experienced https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6460, anyone else? |
| 12:56.58 | povbot` | Bug 6460: Problems with extras-devel repository on N900 ("No Hash entry in Release file") |
| 12:57.17 | Trizt | |Night|; I think you need to add the extras-devel to find the tool, not sure if it caches |
| 12:57.23 | jebba | niekt0: this happens frequently. just "try again" and have patience! though they are moving the repos today, supposedly |
| 12:57.30 | Corsac | pekuja: oops, sorry |
| 12:57.52 | SpeedEvil | kirma: I use on a regular basis - xchat, eggtimer, weightjinni - though it doesn't work right I'm trying to debug, fuelpad I would use if I was using the car regularly, packagerate I would use if it worked, htop regularly, recorder (audio) angrybirds, fbreader |
| 12:57.52 | kirma | Trizt: with simple installation, one may try even those that are not apparently super-useful. of course being too easy to install arbitary software might be a risk, too... |
| 12:57.59 | X-Fade | jebba: Probably tomorrow, as it takes a while for dns changes etc. |
| 12:58.17 | SpeedEvil | oh - supertux, enigma, osm2go |
| 12:58.32 | kirma | camera alignment helper really sounds like a thingie that could be useful, only if I'd care to start developing ;) |
| 12:58.41 | Trizt | kirma; yeah, true, but I never installed everything on my Gentoo box, so I don't think I will do that on the n900 |
| 12:58.45 | jebba | good to know. i can't wait :) |
| 12:58.59 | SpeedEvil | kirma: plus less, tcpdump and lots of that sort of stuff |
| 12:59.04 | Trizt | I wish I could uninstall one of the default apps |
| 12:59.12 | X-Fade | jebba: Me neither. Just a few last checks. But looking good. |
| 12:59.12 | kirma | == acceleration-sensor based overlay on camera viewfinder that would show when horizon is properly aligned |
| 12:59.45 | SpeedEvil | kirma: I want a compass too - but that requires hardware mods alas |
| 12:59.57 | SpeedEvil | kirma: really simple hardware mods - but still |
| 13:00.10 | Trizt | wants an offline gps map system |
| 13:00.13 | pekuja | Corsac: catorise sounds like just what I was looking for. thanks :-) |
| 13:00.24 | SpeedEvil | Trizt: osm2go! :) |
| 13:00.24 | kirma | compass would be fancy, but the camera alignment is plain software addition |
| 13:00.26 | SpeedEvil | (not really) |
| 13:00.30 | SpeedEvil | kirma: indeed |
| 13:01.13 | alterego | Compass: turn on GPS, walk a few meters in one direction :P |
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| 13:01.28 | KenYoung | Compass: Use orrery |
| 13:01.41 | alterego | Heh |
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| 13:03.17 | SpeedEvil | alterego: yeah - it doesn't work very well in most places though. |
| 13:03.19 | rkc_ | Hi.. I am debugging the helloworld app with sdbox, it llooks like the signal is not emitted when i press helloworld button..."m_button_helloworld.signal_activate().connect( sigc::mem_fun(*this, &MyWindow::on_menu_helloworld));" is how the signal is connected to the slot |
| 13:03.23 | rkc_ | any idear? |
| 13:03.31 | SpeedEvil | alterego: and for openstreetmaps, camera would be very handy. |
| 13:03.58 | SpeedEvil | alterego: trying to map from a point, where you've taken a panorama of pictures, it's much easier if you can see the orientation of the pics |
| 13:04.14 | alterego | Yeah |
| 13:04.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: recorder borks after 2GB of recorded audio ;-/ |
| 13:04.46 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: ... |
| 13:04.48 | alterego | Probably not recoder's fault. I don't think the N900 has largefile support. |
| 13:05.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 13:05.05 | SpeedEvil | It can certainly write to 4G files |
| 13:05.21 | SpeedEvil | as that's what my latpop image grew to on the vfat before it died |
| 13:05.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | VFAT issue |
| 13:05.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 13:05.38 | SpeedEvil | I haven't directly tried on the new /home/user/data - but I suspect it will work fine |
| 13:05.39 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:06.05 | SpeedEvil | 2G is however a largefile/author not thinking about it issue |
| 13:06.12 | Trizt | why didn't they pick a real file system? |
| 13:06.29 | Stskeeps | mass storage.. |
| 13:06.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:06.42 | villager | Trizt: because it's supposed to be mountable from windows through usb |
| 13:06.48 | thresh | because broken OS do not support proper FS |
| 13:06.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | iirc I even had to rm the file to put recorder back to work |
| 13:07.01 | SpeedEvil | Trizt: because if you want to plug it into your computer and be able to drag and drop files - for 95% of people, that means it needs to be vfat. |
| 13:07.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~curse mass storage |
| 13:07.28 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, mass storage ! |
| 13:07.29 | SpeedEvil | Trizt: There are alternatives - with a lot of coding. |
| 13:07.30 | Corsac | rewriting the partition table to reformat the stuff should be possible though maybe a bit risky :/ |
| 13:07.42 | Trizt | SpeedEvil, villager; but they can easilly use a LiveCD if they need to access the files |
| 13:07.54 | Corsac | Trizt: âeasilyâ? |
| 13:07.58 | SpeedEvil | Trizt: ... |
| 13:08.01 | thresh | lol |
| 13:08.14 | RST38h | moos woefully |
| 13:08.22 | Corsac | moos back |
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| 13:09.20 | RST38h | heya Corsac |
| 13:09.24 | Corsac | hey RST38h |
| 13:09.47 | RST38h | Ah, cute, Google pretty much told Chinese government to go fuck themselves |
| 13:09.54 | Corsac | yes |
| 13:10.11 | woglinde | rst and? |
| 13:10.22 | woglinde | china has more cheap people than google |
| 13:10.39 | woglinde | so they will make their own search engine |
| 13:10.43 | Jaffa | hrw: I did those fixes about an hour before you when on the train this morning :-) |
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| 13:10.59 | RST38h | woglinde: and nobody will ever care. |
| 13:11.24 | woglinde | rst moo btw. |
| 13:11.35 | RST38h | In related news, they made GMail use https by default |
| 13:11.40 | RST38h | woglinde: moo indeed. |
| 13:11.55 | Corsac | hmhm, is it just me or rss reader chokes easily when there are many feeds? |
| 13:12.11 | woglinde | rst lol |
| 13:12.20 | hrw | Jaffa: good |
| 13:12.47 | hrw | Jaffa: anyway it was fun to hack perl code again. last time I touched perl 6-7 years ago |
| 13:13.30 | zaheer_ | think the nokia online shop is bad.....try the google one for the nexus one |
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| 13:13.52 | beck_ | hello |
| 13:13.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Amagad! Starcraft on Stratagus |
| 13:14.18 | beck_ | i'm trying to set up a bridge between usb and wifi interfaces on a nokia N800 |
| 13:14.47 | beck_ | i have several versions of the software installed on my devices, but i can't figure out how to get the brctl command |
| 13:14.50 | zaheer_ | i was asked by the company i work for to purchase the nexus one for them, the shopping experience is a pain... |
| 13:14.56 | woglinde | beck use proxyarp and routing |
| 13:15.12 | woglinde | I bet the n800 wifi driver will not allow briding |
| 13:15.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Bah my flippin' starcraft CD is in the loft |
| 13:15.21 | tybollt | zaheer_: are the online shop thingies open yet? |
| 13:15.47 | beck_ | what i'm looking for is top merge the 2 interfaces |
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| 13:16.13 | zaheer_ | tybollt, yah i ordered a nexus one just now...i have no clue what type of charger it comes with and no way of calling someone or talking live with someone to ask |
| 13:16.25 | beck_ | in the same way it is done for example in OpenWRT on Linksys routers |
| 13:16.25 | Bolle | hi |
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| 13:16.48 | zaheer_ | they ship from the USA, so they can't tell me the full price as it will be subject to VAT and duty which they cannot give me an exact value |
| 13:16.53 | tybollt | zaheer_: oh ok url? :) |
| 13:16.56 | Bolle | does anyone use syncevolution? |
| 13:17.02 | zaheer_ | www.google.com/phone/ |
| 13:17.08 | Stskeeps | zaheer_: VAT will get applied on EU customs |
| 13:17.12 | Corsac | Bolle: at one point yes I tried (but from the desktop, not the n900) |
| 13:17.28 | zaheer_ | Stskeeps, i don't mind that, the fact they can't tell me the total amount is the issue |
| 13:17.43 | Stskeeps | zaheer_: of course, but the total amount they charge you is without VAT and duty |
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| 13:17.51 | Stskeeps | VAT and duty customs will charge you |
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| 13:18.08 | Bolle | i have some trouble syncing with funamble |
| 13:18.09 | zaheer_ | Stskeeps, yah so the experience for a non american is broken |
| 13:18.10 | woglinde | beck as I said not all wifi drivers allows this |
| 13:18.13 | tybollt | zaheer_: muahahaha "Sorry the nexus one is not available in your country" |
| 13:18.16 | tybollt | >:) |
| 13:18.20 | Bolle | works fine on the desktop but not on the n900 |
| 13:18.31 | zaheer_ | tybollt, yah its open for select countries only |
| 13:18.39 | tybollt | no shit :) |
| 13:21.41 | beck_ | woglinde, thanks for the hints, i'll take a look at proxyarp |
| 13:22.52 | Jaffa | hrw: :-) |
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| 13:24.11 | hrw | Jaffa: what is next step for that app? |
| 13:24.31 | hrw | Jaffa: something for toplevel menu would be nice |
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| 13:26.21 | woglinde | beck maybee the kernel on n800 is to old for this |
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| 13:26.43 | Untouchab1e | hey again :D |
| 13:26.49 | Untouchab1e | so, I got the SDK properly installed now.. |
| 13:27.53 | Untouchab1e | setting up Qt now |
| 13:27.57 | woglinde | beck look for /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp |
| 13:28.29 | woglinde | beck aeh /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/wlan0/proxy_arp |
| 13:28.57 | hrw | Jaffa: another thing to add - autorun after installation of packages |
| 13:28.57 | beck_ | i was looking on that yep |
| 13:29.09 | woglinde | okay |
| 13:29.14 | hrw | Jaffa: it is easy to do - check /etc/apt* dirs for docpurge |
| 13:29.56 | beck_ | trying to find some doc to see if it is feasible with that to lure all neighbors and make them believe that my n800 has only 1 IP address |
| 13:30.14 | Jaffa | hrw: It does autorun after installation (and removal) of packages; using a dpkg trigger on /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 13:30.26 | Jaffa | hrw: 0.0.2 on its way to extras-devel. |
| 13:30.28 | beck_ | woglinde, do you think bridging would be possible on a N810 ? |
| 13:32.01 | woglinde | beck dont know |
| 13:32.11 | woglinde | I can test it this evening |
| 13:32.15 | woglinde | n810 is at home |
| 13:32.21 | hrw | Jaffa: ok |
| 13:32.40 | hrw | Jaffa: so what was changed in 0.0.2? |
| 13:32.50 | beck_ | the testbed on which we are working is composed of N800, but we could get some N810 |
| 13:33.15 | Shapeshifter | :'( |
| 13:33.15 | woglinde | beck uh thats this testbed for? |
| 13:33.30 | woglinde | beck hm but you could try the bridge method anyway? |
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| 13:33.45 | woglinde | compile bridge-utils in scratchbox |
| 13:34.06 | beck_ | yep, i have also these tabs opened in firefow |
| 13:34.21 | beck_ | (and i'm loosing my english sorry) |
| 13:34.59 | beck_ | we're working on service discovery in ad-hoc networks, our testbed is based on N800 devices |
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| 13:35.22 | Jaffa | hrw: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2010/01/12/catorise_auto_organise_n900_applications#c46573 |
| 13:36.31 | hrw | Jaffa: use Config::IniFiles next time |
| 13:36.36 | tybollt | jaffa kri! |
| 13:36.39 | woglinde | beck avahi for wireless? |
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| 13:37.19 | woglinde | beck how many n800? |
| 13:37.28 | Jaffa | hrw: Perhaps; however I currently like the fact it has no external dependencies :-) |
| 13:37.45 | kamui | Avatar in iMAX 3D was awesome |
| 13:38.07 | hrw | Jaffa: grab source of config::inifiles, remove perldoc from it and integrate in package? |
| 13:38.24 | beck_ | we've got 4 of them |
| 13:38.26 | Jaffa | hrw: good plan |
| 13:38.54 | hrw | Jaffa: it is 72KB with perldoc |
| 13:39.16 | Jaffa | hrw: perfick |
| 13:39.27 | woglinde | beck hm thats not much |
| 13:39.34 | hrw | Jaffa: UI menu editor would be awesome but who would write it ;D |
| 13:40.30 | beck_ | woglinde, for the tests we're doing it's enough, the partners have more for the real tests at the end |
| 13:40.35 | hrw | woglinde: did you got java working under maemo5? |
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| 13:40.37 | beck_ | woglinde, avahi is not runnign |
| 13:41.54 | woglinde | hrw sebastin wrote he got it run |
| 13:42.05 | woglinde | with chinook-compat compiled |
| 13:42.30 | woglinde | thats how I read his mail |
| 13:42.39 | beck_ | hrw, if you install jalimo SWT examples it installs everything and it works |
| 13:42.52 | woglinde | beck we are talking about maemo5 |
| 13:43.10 | woglinde | beck and you are lucking I am one of jailmo guys |
| 13:43.30 | hrw | woglinde: does it allow j2me to run too? |
| 13:43.32 | woglinde | hrw but robert and I are to busy with projects to look jalimo |
| 13:43.41 | woglinde | hrw sorry dont know |
| 13:43.43 | woglinde | test it |
| 13:43.47 | hrw | ok |
| 13:43.54 | woglinde | compile with chinook-compat and report |
| 13:44.07 | woglinde | maybee you have to stitch chinook-compat for the x-changes |
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| 13:44.20 | hrw | woglinde: btw - nokia900 and maemo5-compat from jalimo will be merged into OE by you jalimo team or can I? |
| 13:44.23 | woglinde | okay I will go now |
| 13:44.31 | woglinde | hm |
| 13:44.31 | hrw | woglinde: see ya |
| 13:44.32 | woglinde | oh |
| 13:44.47 | woglinde | hrw ask sebastian |
| 13:44.58 | beck_ | thx for the help woglinde |
| 13:45.00 | woglinde | I have objections |
| 13:45.13 | Corsac | hmmh, is there an alt key available btw? |
| 13:45.16 | woglinde | beck yeah till later or evening |
| 13:45.23 | Corsac | (for irssi stuff) |
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| 13:45.30 | beck_ | will try with scratchbox or proxyarp |
| 13:45.46 | beck_ | woglinde, i'll drop by to let you know if it worked out |
| 13:46.00 | woglinde | yeah If I find the time I till test it myself |
| 13:46.34 | beck_ | woglinde, thanks! |
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| 14:03.06 | mrmg | Hi guys, just a FYI |
| 14:03.07 | mrmg | http://emailsfromcrazypeople.com/2010/01/12/impossible/ |
| 14:03.28 | tybollt | wooot there's a BURGERTIME clone? |
| 14:03.31 | tybollt | o/ |
| 14:04.35 | pupnik | thanks mrmg, great |
| 14:04.38 | pupnik | :) |
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| 14:05.54 | jebba | tybollt: si, it's the secret killer app for n900 :) |
| 14:07.22 | tybollt | jebba: you bet! :D |
| 14:07.30 | tybollt | atleast for an oldtimer like myself :) |
| 14:07.37 | Bolle | i just tried jagged alliance 2... |
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| 14:08.04 | Bolle | didn't realise that this is 10years old... |
| 14:08.38 | vpol | http://nokia-n900.com/new-firmware-update-v-1-2009-44-1/ |
| 14:08.39 | leon- | haha :) |
| 14:08.40 | vpol | fake? |
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| 14:09.51 | leon- | vpol, fake what? the firmware upgrade is real.. :) |
| 14:10.11 | vpol | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 14:10.13 | tybollt | vpol: huh fake? |
| 14:10.15 | vpol | nothing here |
| 14:10.23 | tybollt | vpol: I've got that same update mate :) |
| 14:10.32 | vpol | not |
| 14:10.35 | vpol | but i don |
| 14:10.42 | vpol | t use windows |
| 14:10.55 | tybollt | vpol: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and you're good |
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| 14:11.04 | furunk3l | what tybollt said |
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| 14:12.23 | vpol | yoohoo |
| 14:12.24 | vpol | thnx |
| 14:12.35 | vpol | i hope i'll get my sip working again :) |
| 14:13.03 | leon- | onks kellää kokemust black satinist? |
| 14:13.10 | leon- | uups, wrong chan.. sry :) |
| 14:13.22 | vpol | :) |
| 14:13.32 | leon- | too many servers damn it |
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| 14:20.48 | zeev | Hi, I just tried to send all my contacts from my old cellphone to N900, but after I choosed location for the file.vcf - N900 told me that there is not enough space for - it doesn't seems to be true... what should I do? |
| 14:21.16 | tybollt | zeev: Place it in your homedirectory - it _will_ have enough place. |
| 14:21.30 | zeev | how is it called? |
| 14:22.03 | zeev | (by default?) |
| 14:23.15 | cehteh | /home/user/ |
| 14:23.49 | cehteh | /home/user/MyDocs for the 27GB partition .. i doubt you can fill that with all your contacts :P |
| 14:24.11 | zeev | I have N900/ - Audio clips Camera cities |
| 14:24.21 | zeev | documents |
| 14:24.27 | zeev | but I don't see user |
| 14:24.35 | cehteh | that is your home |
| 14:24.54 | cehteh | the filemanager cheats a bit with naming |
| 14:25.08 | cehteh | actually thats /home/user/MyDocs .. |
| 14:25.11 | zeev | so it says that there is no enogh space in Documents for example |
| 14:25.20 | cehteh | strange |
| 14:25.41 | ifreq | zeev: cant you sync then via bluetooth, not sending any files |
| 14:25.42 | ifreq | ? |
| 14:25.55 | cehteh | do you have usb plugged in? |
| 14:25.55 | zeev | my old phone is old |
| 14:26.03 | zeev | no |
| 14:26.25 | cehteh | no idea then without further investigation |
| 14:26.34 | zeev | so it can not sync I think its SonyErricson T610 |
| 14:28.32 | zeev | "Not enough memory in target location" - is what it says on N900/Documents and I have only User guide inside... |
| 14:29.00 | tybollt | Well I've done the "send the entire phonebook of old device in one big gob of .vcf" so I know that works, granted - my "old" device was an E75... |
| 14:30.00 | zeev | maybe T610 says that the file size is bigger than it is in reallity? |
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| 14:30.28 | zeev | how can I get this file on my laptop with debian lenny? |
| 14:30.38 | zeev | through bluetooth |
| 14:30.39 | zeev | ? |
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| 14:31.44 | clmntch_ | hello |
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| 14:35.59 | lardman|home | re |
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| 14:41.44 | tigert | hmm |
| 14:41.50 | tigert | flv and mplayer |
| 14:42.01 | tigert | any tips on commandline? |
| 14:42.12 | tigert | plays but a/v off sync |
| 14:42.17 | tigert | video is slower |
| 14:42.34 | tigert | -hardframedrop causes megastuttering |
| 14:42.40 | X-Fade | tigert: -framedrop ? |
| 14:42.43 | X-Fade | Ah. |
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| 14:42.52 | xorAxAx | yippeee, my n900 arrived |
| 14:42.57 | tigert | maybe its just a bit too heavy |
| 14:43.06 | X-Fade | tigert: tried -fs? |
| 14:43.13 | tigert | fullscreen? |
| 14:43.23 | tigert | sure, no help either |
| 14:43.31 | X-Fade | tigert: Yeah, sometimes it tries to scale in non-fullscreen mode. |
| 14:43.56 | tigert | i managed to build and run rtmpdump-yle |
| 14:44.10 | tigert | so i can get areena.yle.fi content |
| 14:44.27 | tigert | piping to mplayer works but with above issue |
| 14:44.44 | tigert | mediaplayer with flv codec doesnt play it |
| 14:45.13 | tigert | can i somehow try gst-play from commandline? |
| 14:45.28 | bilboed-pi | gst-launch playbin2 uri=http://blahblahblah |
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| 14:45.51 | X-Fade | tigert: -lavdopts lowres=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all |
| 14:46.58 | tigert | sig6 in decode-video |
| 14:47.12 | tigert | s/-/_/ |
| 14:48.59 | tigert | bilboed-pi: this is a local file or stdin |
| 14:49.28 | frals | for local file just do file:///path/? |
| 14:49.30 | X-Fade | tigert: file:///myfile ;) |
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| 14:49.57 | tigert | didnt work |
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| 14:50.34 | tigert | ~ $ gst-launch playbin2 file:///home/user/MyDocs/.videos/Dok-2010-01-10T21_00_00.flv |
| 14:50.36 | tigert | Setting pipeline to PAUSED ... |
| 14:50.39 | tigert | ERROR: Pipeline doesn't want to pause. |
| 14:50.41 | tigert | Setting pipeline to NULL ... |
| 14:50.44 | tigert | Freeing pipeline ... |
| 14:51.10 | bilboed-pi | tigert, ? |
| 14:51.36 | bilboed-pi | tigert, same command but with -v |
| 14:52.05 | fatal^ | uri= ? |
| 14:52.12 | bilboed-pi | oh yeah, also |
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| 14:52.21 | bilboed-pi | tigert, gst-launch -v playbin2 uri=file:///.... |
| 14:52.36 | tigert | right :) |
| 14:54.36 | bilboed-pi | tigert, worked ? |
| 14:57.08 | tigert | prerolling |
| 14:57.16 | tigert | and takes its time there |
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| 14:58.51 | bilboed-pi | oh ? |
| 14:59.01 | bilboed-pi | is that file massive or what ? |
| 14:59.33 | tigert | http://pastebin.com/m4fed16bb |
| 14:59.47 | tigert | its maybe high bw |
| 15:00.04 | tigert | maybe too much for n900 |
| 15:00.30 | tigert | but mplayer plays, just video off sync (slow vid compared to snd) |
| 15:01.57 | bilboed-pi | sigh... openmax :( |
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| 15:02.12 | tigert | hm? |
| 15:02.21 | tigert | "too much to chew"? |
| 15:02.33 | bilboed-pi | hard to say |
| 15:02.37 | tigert | ok |
| 15:02.46 | bilboed-pi | openmax can fail for "whatever-the-reason-it-decides" |
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| 15:03.19 | tigert | http://users.tkk.fi/~aajanki/rtmpdump-yle/index-en.html |
| 15:03.35 | tigert | this is the downloader app if you are interested |
| 15:03.47 | tigert | any video from that site |
| 15:03.58 | tigert | would be sweet to make a player |
| 15:04.12 | bilboed-pi | could be a bit too big indeed |
| 15:04.16 | tigert | that pulls the rss and makes a list of content to play |
| 15:04.26 | tigert | its maybe on the edge :/ |
| 15:04.34 | tigert | ffplay stutters a lot |
| 15:04.36 | bilboed-pi | sure, but that shouldn't make the decoder fail |
| 15:04.41 | tigert | mplayer is ok but off sync |
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| 15:04.52 | tigert | yea |
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| 15:07.17 | tybollt | hrrm |
| 15:07.49 | tybollt | if there's a phone number in a text, when I click on it I only get the option to call that number - why don't I get the option to text that number? I find that very silly. |
| 15:08.33 | juhjokel | tybollt: Did you already file a bug about that? |
| 15:08.44 | Arkenoi | where is my updaaaate? |
| 15:09.06 | tybollt | juhjokel: No, quite frankly I'm right now debating whether it's a feature or a bug ;) |
| 15:09.13 | tybollt | juhjokel: would you care to enlighten me? |
| 15:09.19 | tigert | lavdopts skiploopfilter=all:fast=1 |
| 15:09.23 | tigert | helped a lot |
| 15:09.25 | juhjokel | or feature request |
| 15:09.27 | tigert | now dinner |
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| 15:10.41 | tybollt | juhjokel: Fair enough - guess I have something to do this evening then ;) |
| 15:11.24 | juhjokel | tybollt: Is there "show contacts page / add to contacts" options either? |
| 15:11.36 | juhjokel | Don't have N900 myself... yet... |
| 15:12.21 | tybollt | juhjokel: no, there's only a number pad and a little textbox with the number and a green "dial" button |
| 15:12.25 | tybollt | very scarce |
| 15:14.28 | chollya | anyone knows, what system liblocation uses for lat/long values? |
| 15:14.32 | pupnik9 | when posting actual useful info to the channel, it would help to include some relevant description on the same line to help google search |
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| 15:19.52 | lardman|home | what's the recommended package for Python plotting on device? |
| 15:22.19 | alterego | gdk-pixbuf? :) |
| 15:22.32 | lardman|home | I was hoping for some abstraction ;) |
| 15:22.49 | bilboed-pi | pylab ? matplotlib ? |
| 15:23.08 | lardman|home | is matplotlib available for the device now? |
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| 15:34.40 | villager | yay, my syncevolution frontend gui is finally basically done... now to figure out how to package it up |
| 15:36.06 | pupnik9 | what would be a simple way to add shellscript shortcuts to desktop or some other fast launch method |
| 15:37.54 | edheldil | does not maemo use *.desktop files? |
| 15:38.17 | villager | yeah you can probably just make a .desktop file |
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| 15:40.25 | mfinkle | *.desktop files do not actually add shorcuts to the desktop |
| 15:41.02 | villager | but they add it to the menu that lets you add it to the desktop I think |
| 15:41.08 | tybollt | mfinkle: but they appear in the "add shortcut" dropdown box? |
| 15:41.08 | mfinkle | pupnik9: I noticed that you can use gconf to add shortcuts to the desktop |
| 15:41.26 | mfinkle | yes, they do appear in the "add shortcut" dropdown |
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| 15:43.42 | redeeman | someone should really make an application to align icons on the "desktop" |
| 15:44.49 | yuizy | angry birds is clearly the best game on this phone :D |
| 15:45.20 | tybollt | redeeman: =) I'd have a use for that |
| 15:45.24 | tybollt | snap-to-grid++ |
| 15:45.27 | xorAxAx | is repartitioning his n900 |
| 15:45.39 | tybollt | ugh - really? |
| 15:46.03 | xorAxAx | yes |
| 15:46.08 | xorAxAx | with the ruskie recipe |
| 15:46.21 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:46.37 | ruskie | if you feel like things are missing from the instructions lemme know |
| 15:46.40 | jarod1 | Hi, I am trying to use USB networking on Maemo OS 2008. I used the usbnet script on the N800 and connected the usb cable on a win XP machine. It works with OS2007 versions, but with the 2008 the windows xp network RNDIS gadget network interface is Disable. Had someone the same issues with the 2008 version and usbnetworking? |
| 15:47.47 | xorAxAx | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p6 /usra |
| 15:47.49 | xorAxAx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.52 | xorAxAx | ruskie: fails for me |
| 15:48.16 | ruskie | xorAxAx, you did mkfs the filesystem? |
| 15:48.26 | tybollt | doesn't looke like |
| 15:48.40 | ruskie | and you did reboot after you repartitioned |
| 15:48.58 | xorAxAx | ruskie: yep |
| 15:49.15 | ruskie | you can try mount -t whateverfs(ext2/3) |
| 15:49.32 | xorAxAx | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p6 /usra |
| 15:49.33 | xorAxAx | works |
| 15:49.35 | xorAxAx | yes |
| 15:49.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ruskie: you actually did IT? overhaul the whole messed-up partitioning of N900. wow |
| 15:49.43 | odin_ | stats his assult on bugs.maemo.org <evil-laugh/> |
| 15:50.09 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, see wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie |
| 15:50.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | coool |
| 15:50.19 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, I've had it running like that since 5 days after I got it :) |
| 15:50.36 | ruskie | so basically by december 8 it was setup like that :) |
| 15:51.33 | xorAxAx | ruskie: the script is missing a mkdir for home/user/MyDocs |
| 15:51.38 | xorAxAx | "script" that is |
| 15:51.57 | ruskie | that dir should be there already :) |
| 15:52.06 | ruskie | it's where teh big eMMC partition is mounted to :) |
| 15:56.39 | xorAxAx | no, its not there |
| 15:56.42 | redeeman | tybollt: im considering writing a script to do it, but i don't have time :( |
| 15:56.49 | ruskie | /home/user/MyDocs |
| 15:56.58 | ruskie | if it's not there something is odd with your device |
| 15:57.18 | xorAxAx | /home/user is a freshly mouinted partition |
| 15:57.22 | xorAxAx | empty |
| 15:57.28 | ruskie | hmm |
| 15:57.30 | ruskie | ahh |
| 15:57.34 | ruskie | hmm |
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| 15:57.36 | ruskie | did you do a backup? |
| 15:57.44 | xorAxAx | yes, sure, via ssh |
| 15:57.48 | ruskie | I think I mentioned that |
| 15:57.50 | xorAxAx | currently untarring it |
| 15:57.55 | xorAxAx | why a bacckup? |
| 15:57.57 | ruskie | you restore the user dir back to /home |
| 15:58.07 | xorAxAx | i know, thats one step later in yoru script |
| 15:58.14 | ruskie | ahh |
| 15:58.17 | xorAxAx | which makes sense, because the files need to run into the mount |
| 15:58.20 | xorAxAx | and not /home |
| 15:58.27 | ruskie | yeah |
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| 15:58.33 | ruskie | hmm I'll add that |
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| 15:59.32 | xorAxAx | can you move it to the wiki? |
| 15:59.35 | xorAxAx | in the same step |
| 15:59.46 | xorAxAx | and modify your post to link to the wiki article |
| 15:59.49 | ruskie | sure |
| 15:59.58 | manzn | hello folks |
| 16:00.02 | ruskie | won't do it right now but will do it |
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| 16:03.46 | manzn | i search help :-D - i have build a app for fremantle, this change the menu structure - i only have a problem i not able to build the source for upload to the extra repository - is someone here how can help me or give me a few tip? |
| 16:04.31 | ruskie | what? plain old: dpkg-buildpackage -S doesn't work ? |
| 16:05.01 | manzn | i don't know how to use - i am a beginner |
| 16:05.15 | manzn | at the moment it is only a bash script |
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| 16:05.43 | manzn | at the moment i build it with dpkg -b |
| 16:06.18 | ruskie | do you have a debian/ dir with control and rules etc? |
| 16:06.44 | wazd_e63 | Lo all |
| 16:06.59 | manzn | a /debian dir i have - but i dont know how to use the rules - control is in |
| 16:07.09 | ruskie | manzn, and rules as well? |
| 16:07.18 | ruskie | manzn, is this just an existing debian package you are trying to rebuild? |
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| 16:07.46 | manzn | no its a new package |
| 16:07.52 | ruskie | 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc' <-- builds the .deb and 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -S' <-- builds the source |
| 16:08.11 | manzn | ah ok |
| 16:08.20 | ruskie | but usually I think it requires rules |
| 16:08.29 | manzn | ruskie can you look to this: maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.4.4.tar.gz |
| 16:08.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ruskie: 1.0.1 update went smooth with that nice partitioning of yours? |
| 16:08.54 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, yup |
| 16:09.17 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, it's the 1.1 that worries me... but I think I'll only need to fixup some init/event.d scripts for that |
| 16:09.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ruskie: aiui you won't even lose any of the installed apps or presets |
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| 16:09.45 | ruskie | erm??? |
| 16:09.52 | ruskie | why would I loose them in any event? |
| 16:10.03 | ruskie | hmm manzn that's a debian binary only package |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah why |
| 16:10.16 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, I don't plan on reflashing :) |
| 16:10.23 | ruskie | only using OTA update |
| 16:10.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | me neither |
| 16:11.10 | manzn | how i sayed - i build this a the moment only with dpkg -b - sorry i just start with this - i will learn but - i dont understand it at the moment |
| 16:11.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wonders if backup app knows to work with the mod o fied partitioning |
| 16:11.39 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, uses paths so doesn't care from what I can tell |
| 16:11.51 | ruskie | manzn, hmm you the mymenu author? |
| 16:11.58 | manzn | yep |
| 16:12.13 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer-8: why shouldnt it? |
| 16:12.20 | ruskie | you used dh_make to generate a basic debian/ dir in your sources? |
| 16:12.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | xorAxAx: why should camera bork when no VFAT |
| 16:12.40 | manzn | yes |
| 16:13.02 | manzn | but where i have to put the files for /opt etc.... |
| 16:13.04 | ruskie | manzn, edited rules to do whatever you need to do to build and whatever you need to do to install ? |
| 16:13.15 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer-8: the camera still works |
| 16:13.21 | ruskie | just use maemo-optify-deb :) |
| 16:13.22 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer-8: the file systems remain equal |
| 16:13.35 | ruskie | that will do it all correct even if it's setup into /usr |
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| 16:15.33 | zeev | I get "Not enough memory in target location" when I try to send all my contacts from my old phone to N900. du -hc ./ said that only 1.7G is used (in /home/user) |
| 16:15.37 | manzn | ruskie ok i test it - thx for the moment |
| 16:15.49 | ruskie | zeev, used or free? |
| 16:15.54 | ruskie | and how much is there free? |
| 16:15.59 | zeev | used |
| 16:16.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ruskie: now we only need a sane way to de-optify all those insane setups |
| 16:16.15 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, I just roll my own for the stuff I need :) |
| 16:16.38 | zeev | how do I check it? |
| 16:16.43 | zeev | (how much is free) |
| 16:16.44 | ruskie | df -h |
| 16:16.50 | ruskie | that will tell you exactly the info |
| 16:16.52 | zeev | one second... |
| 16:16.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ruskie: seen it. fair enough but for now not an option for me |
| 16:19.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | considers a universal deoptification postinstall script |
| 16:20.22 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, just need a maemo-deoptify-deb script :) |
| 16:21.05 | lupine_85 | so having compiled a binary and copied it over to my phone, how do I run it? ./<filename> doesn't work in xterm for whatever reason... |
| 16:21.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I really wonder who and why invented that optification botch |
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| 16:21.46 | ruskie | lupine_85, erm... does it return anything? |
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| 16:22.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | mere madness |
| 16:22.19 | lupine_85 | line1: syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 16:22.22 | gouverneur | ruskie: its a config option to "not-optify" |
| 16:22.44 | ruskie | gouverneur, per build but not after a deb has been optified :) |
| 16:22.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ruskie: you ever considered to include /var to your improved scheme? |
| 16:22.52 | ruskie | lupine_85, head -n1 filename |
| 16:22.55 | gouverneur | ruskie: yes |
| 16:22.59 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer-8, tried it but rather not |
| 16:23.01 | lupine_85 | ruskie: it's general binary garbage |
| 16:23.16 | xorAxAx | ruskie: in /tmproot, i still see the mounts overlayed |
| 16:23.23 | xorAxAx | ruskie: are you sure that this works? |
| 16:23.26 | lupine_85 | ...ok, it's compiled it as 32-bit LSB x86 |
| 16:23.37 | ruskie | xorAxAx, hmm you did a mount --bind / /tmproot ? |
| 16:23.42 | lupine_85 | dubya tee eff |
| 16:23.45 | xorAxAx | i.e. there is /tmproot/usr/lost+found |
| 16:23.46 | xorAxAx | yes |
| 16:23.58 | ruskie | worked for me hmm |
| 16:24.04 | ruskie | try to touch a file on /usr |
| 16:24.11 | ruskie | and see if it shows up |
| 16:24.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | what for would I need the tmproot? |
| 16:24.19 | xorAxAx | ooops, ruskie |
| 16:24.43 | xorAxAx | works indeed, was in wrong cwd |
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| 16:25.22 | lupine_85 | gcc -v in scratchbox: ...--target=i486-pc-linux-gnu... |
| 16:25.31 | xorAxAx | rootfs 227.9M 67.5M 156.2M 30% / |
| 16:25.33 | xorAxAx | yeah! |
| 16:26.21 | villager | lupine_85: and the command prompt says armel? |
| 16:26.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's more like it |
| 16:26.47 | lupine_85 | no, FREEMANTLE_x86 |
| 16:26.52 | lupine_85 | I guess I should RTFM some more ;) |
| 16:26.55 | villager | lupine_85: well there's your problem |
| 16:27.17 | villager | lupine_85: type sb-menu and select armel target |
| 16:27.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: I fail to see what for we need the tmproot bindmount |
| 16:28.00 | lupine_85 | ta |
| 16:28.07 | lupine_85 | reinstalls qt librarie |
| 16:28.08 | lupine_85 | ...s |
| 16:28.11 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, to remove the old /usr/* content |
| 16:28.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 16:28.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | k |
| 16:28.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | thnx |
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| 16:29.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: awsome info and work. Many thanks for that |
| 16:29.55 | zeev_ | does anybody has a clue why I don't have enough space on my N900 to accept a file with contacts from my old phone? |
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| 16:30.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | giggles |
| 16:30.39 | thomaz | is anyboy using usb networking on the n900? |
| 16:31.04 | odin_ | thomaz, what kind of networking are you attempting? |
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| 16:31.29 | thomaz | odin_: sharing my computers internet connection with the phone via usb |
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| 16:31.43 | ruskie | zeev_, df -h /home |
| 16:31.45 | ruskie | ? |
| 16:31.47 | ruskie | returns what? |
| 16:31.54 | zeev_ | ruskie: /dev/mmcb1kop1 27G |
| 16:32.04 | ruskie | erm |
| 16:32.06 | ruskie | that's /home ? |
| 16:32.19 | ruskie | or /home/user/MyDocs ? |
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| 16:32.55 | thomaz | odin_: have you done that before? |
| 16:33.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe the file even is desined to /var/tmp |
| 16:33.23 | zeev_ | how do I check it |
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| 16:34.27 | zeev_ | there must be enough space there ... I didn't put anything... |
| 16:34.34 | ruskie | df -h |
| 16:34.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | Usual oops. click a pdf or media file. error: not enough free storage in /var/tmp to dl xyz |
| 16:34.37 | ruskie | it'll list /home |
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| 16:35.04 | odin_ | thomaz, I have not no... the phones internet connect is via GPRS/3G ? |
| 16:35.14 | zeev_ | df /home - 2G |
| 16:35.26 | ruskie | zeev_, how about the full line? |
| 16:35.44 | ruskie | it has: Size Used Avail Use% |
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| 16:36.13 | zeev_ | Use% 2% |
| 16:36.17 | thomaz | odin_: ok... i'm able to ping internet using x terminal and all, but the phone itself doesn't recognize it, and tries to connect to wifi/3g |
| 16:36.23 | ruskie | hmm |
| 16:36.27 | ruskie | ok that is odd then |
| 16:36.28 | zeev_ | Avail 1.8G |
| 16:36.33 | niezapomniana | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJWPN1DMOc0 |
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| 16:36.41 | fiferboy | AndrewFBlack-Wor: What did you use to build the latest maemo-org theme? |
| 16:36.45 | fiferboy | AndrewFBlack-Wor: It looks like the postinst file no longer links the /opt/theme/maemo-org to /usr/share/themes/maemo-org |
| 16:36.49 | odin_ | thomaz, x terminal on the phone ? u can ping from ? is it an N900 ? if so it only allows a single Internet connection at a time |
| 16:37.14 | odin_ | thomaz, as yes you said you have N900 already |
| 16:37.43 | thomaz | odin_: yes, on the phone |
| 16:37.46 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | fiferboy, working on getting it build with MADDE but themes are not optied with it yet |
| 16:37.47 | zeev_ | ruskie: any ideas? |
| 16:38.02 | odin_ | thomaz, ok what icon is shown in status? WiFi or 3G connection ? |
| 16:38.16 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | fiferboy, got to work on my post install file for it just doing a test run of it first |
| 16:38.16 | fiferboy | AndrewFBlack-Wor: Ah, cool. When I updated the optified version with the new version it no longer shows up in the theme selector |
| 16:38.17 | odin_ | thomaz, or you want your phone to use your PC Workstation for internet ? |
| 16:38.26 | fiferboy | I'll try uninstalling and reinstalling |
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| 16:38.34 | thomaz | odin_: yes, phone to use pc's internet |
| 16:38.37 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | 1.1-2 or 1.1-3? |
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| 16:38.43 | odin_ | thomaz, I do not think that is possible out-of-the-box |
| 16:39.22 | odin_ | thomaz, for a start the phone needs to connect to the PC workstation somehow ? like with PPP, then the PC needs to NAT the phones packets, etc... not strightforward |
| 16:39.35 | thomaz | odin_: there is a wiki entry, it is supposed to work, and it does, but the phone refuses to use it as an internet connection |
| 16:39.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | zeev_: could you elaborate on steps you did to get the error |
| 16:39.45 | fiferboy | AndrewFBlack-Wor: 1.1.2 |
| 16:39.50 | zeev_ | yes, of course |
| 16:40.07 | thomaz | odin_: i have internet, but only on the x terminal (on the phone) |
| 16:40.22 | odin_ | thomaz, so you have a PPP session between phone and workstation ? and you disable / turn off Wifi/3G ? |
| 16:40.29 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | fiferboy, I mightn ot have done something right |
| 16:40.55 | zeev_ | turned BT on... sended contacts from my old phone, accepted it on my N900, was asked to provide location for the file to save it... chose Documents |
| 16:41.00 | odin_ | thomaz, maybe thats because most of the apps in the phone use ICD (Intenet Connection Daemon) and it doesn't understand your setup, since that method of working, I do not think is supported out-of-the-box |
| 16:41.28 | zeev_ | got the error message |
| 16:41.35 | thomaz | that's what i think too, was just hoping someone has been through that before |
| 16:41.42 | RST38h | wazd: moo |
| 16:41.57 | ruskie | zeev_, hmm Documents is /home/user/MyDocs |
| 16:42.01 | odin_ | thomaz, so when you turn off Wifi/3G and then start browser, the first thing it asks ICD is, are we connected ? if not get us connected, which starts the usual dialogs |
| 16:42.02 | ruskie | the 27G partition |
| 16:42.08 | villager | thomaz: you can either set up the default route manually from the xterm, or try to set up the pc-connectivity package |
| 16:42.12 | ruskie | how much free space do you have there? |
| 16:42.14 | hrw | Documents is /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ dir |
| 16:42.59 | odin_ | thomaz, maybe ICD needs a setting to force that its always connected and to never manage internet connections, this way the browser will just try and use the internet |
| 16:43.08 | zeev_ | 25G |
| 16:43.12 | zeev_ | available |
| 16:43.20 | zeev_ | in MyDocs |
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| 16:44.20 | ruskie | odd |
| 16:44.22 | fiferboy | AndrewFBlack-Wor: Uninstall-reinstall didn't help |
| 16:44.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | zeev_: could you try to create a small random file in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ ? |
| 16:44.37 | odin_ | thomaz, yes I know how that can work and be safe, if you turn on such an option ICD will always report internet is ready and working to all apps, and it will never try to manage/offer Wifi/3G access |
| 16:44.39 | ruskie | hmm might be readonly |
| 16:44.49 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | fiferboy, I need to run over my files I´m leaving something out. |
| 16:44.55 | zeev_ | like echo "asdf" > file? |
| 16:45.01 | thomaz | odin_: thanks, i'll try to look for that |
| 16:45.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 16:45.07 | fiferboy | AndrewFBlack-Wor: It looks like it is not installing to /usr/share/themes |
| 16:45.14 | odin_ | thomaz, now evertime the user reboots their phone and uses an application (while ICD is in this mode) ICD will always offer just once per-powercycle, to turn ICD back into normal mode again |
| 16:45.36 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | I downloaded the .deb version from site and most of the files didn make it into thepackage its only like 44kb in size |
| 16:45.52 | thomaz | villager: how should i set the route manually? |
| 16:45.56 | odin_ | thomaz, this way users who forgot which setting they changed can get a quick fix after a reboot (which they will try as a way to get out of that situation) |
| 16:46.06 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: heya |
| 16:46.10 | fiferboy | AndrewFBlack-Wor: Yeah, only /usr/share/doc is in the deb |
| 16:46.33 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: do you know anything bout Western Union transitions?) |
| 16:46.37 | odin_ | thomaz, run "/sbin/route" but I'm thinking you have internet connection already and have default route, your problem is ICD |
| 16:46.57 | thomaz | odin_: yeah, routes seem to be good |
| 16:47.16 | odin_ | thomaz, can you pastebin it ? for my long noseyness |
| 16:47.29 | zeev_ | where is the ">" sign? |
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| 16:47.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | zeev_: actually the No spaceN error might be fuzzy. Might as well mean "no permission" or other random error |
| 16:47.54 | villager | thomaz: as root, you can do "route del default" and "route add default gw <pc-ip-address>" |
| 16:48.40 | odin_ | thinks N900 needs /bin/tc and policy-routing compiled into kernel |
| 16:48.53 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, they are expensive |
| 16:49.07 | zeev_ | it was created with echo |
| 16:49.23 | odin_ | so we can have both Wifi and 3G internet's connected as same time, and a user preference as to which is used over which when both available |
| 16:49.43 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: well, I need to receive money from Roman somehow, he gave me that option) |
| 16:49.54 | zeev_ | so its not read only |
| 16:49.59 | odin_ | also for MMS APNs and WAP APNs we can bring them up with Wifi and because MMS/WAP APNs do not provide full internet connectivity they can also be low priority connections |
| 16:50.08 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: so I guess that's not a problem) |
| 16:50.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | zeev_: does the filename contain any strange chars. spaces, umlauts, special chars? |
| 16:50.17 | zeev_ | no |
| 16:50.18 | zeev_ | sdf |
| 16:50.22 | zeev_ | as I wrote it |
| 16:50.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | not the one created by you |
| 16:50.42 | odin_ | rests his assult on bugs.maemo.org (while he goes to eat) |
| 16:50.49 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: what info should I provide? |
| 16:50.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | the one that threw error |
| 16:51.03 | zeev_ | space |
| 16:51.07 | RST38h | wazd: Afaik, first/last name |
| 16:51.09 | thomaz | odin_: villager , this is what i have http://pastie.org/776616 |
| 16:51.25 | zeev_ | yes it was called whole phonebook.vcf |
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| 16:51.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | zeev_: might be the cause |
| 16:51.31 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: cause I actually haven't found anything on their site (haven't googled for it though) |
| 16:51.57 | zeev_ | I tried to save it with a file name without the space - it didn't work as well |
| 16:51.58 | villager | thomaz: then presumably the problem is on the pc |
| 16:52.24 | RST38h | wazd: first/last name should be ok |
| 16:52.29 | thomaz | villager: well, i can ping each other and i can ping google.com from the phone |
| 16:52.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | zeev_: I'm running short of ideas. prolly bug in bt-filetransfer |
| 16:52.47 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: ah, ok then, thanks) |
| 16:53.05 | zeev_ | could somebody please try it with his phone? |
| 16:53.10 | villager | thomaz: ok, so it's the n900 browser and stuff that's the problem? |
| 16:53.15 | zeev_ | (transfer a file through BT) |
| 16:53.20 | thomaz | villager: yes |
| 16:53.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | zeenix: sorry. no source here to send via bt |
| 16:53.46 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: someone told me that you're reworking xchat according to my guidelines, great) |
| 16:53.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/ zeenix / zeev_ / |
| 16:54.03 | villager | thomaz: I suppose you could try to kill icd2 and see what happens... but I recommend installing pc-connectivity-manager, it has ways to kill the builtin connection management from menus (presumably by killing icd2 or something) |
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| 16:54.21 | RST38h | wazd: not really :) |
| 16:54.29 | thomaz | villager: ok, i'll try that, thanks :) |
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| 16:54.38 | RST38h | wazd: but I do try deuglifying it as much as possible without changing the code |
| 16:54.59 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: heh) |
| 16:55.53 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: we're developing Qt atmosphere widget now for omw |
| 16:56.07 | Hydroxide | hi all. please forgive me if this is a FAQ, but I haven't found the answer anywhere yet. since updating to PR1.0.1 over the air, I can rarely hear the other person during phone calls. sometimes after pressing the volume button I'll have a moment or two of good volume but mostly negligible to zero |
| 16:56.13 | Hydroxide | has anyone heard of this? |
| 16:56.45 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: it will show weather effects on the background of the day in detailed view |
| 16:57.28 | lupine_85 | \o/ wget |
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| 16:58.24 | wazd_e63 | Hydroxide: have you rebooted after update? |
| 16:58.28 | Hydroxide | wazd_e63: yes |
| 16:58.39 | RST38h | wazd: scrolling 3d map with weather on top? =) |
| 16:59.04 | Hydroxide | wazd_e63: this has persisted across multiple reboots, and unless I'm very confused this wasn't a problem before the update |
| 16:59.11 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: well, not that epic :D |
| 16:59.25 | RST38h | wazd: Should add a naked girl. |
| 16:59.38 | RST38h | wazd: steering clouds with her finger or something |
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| 17:02.49 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | fiferboy, try maemo-org now |
| 17:03.01 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | it wont be optied but it should work |
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| 17:04.44 | wazd_e63 | rst38h: mheheh) |
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| 17:08.40 | ruskie | finally place for jabber account on t.m.o |
| 17:09.16 | hrw | ruskie: user@talk.maemo.org JIDs? |
| 17:09.55 | ruskie | no |
| 17:10.04 | ruskie | just a spot to put a jabber id in :) |
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| 17:10.31 | hrw | ah |
| 17:13.10 | Hydroxide | wow. nobody seems to have experienced the problem I described? |
| 17:13.52 | villager | I've updated but I almost never call anybody, so dunno |
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| 17:14.06 | Hydroxide | yeah, heh |
| 17:15.25 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: what villager said |
| 17:15.53 | ruskie | same here |
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| 17:17.01 | fiferboy | AndrewFBlack-Wor: It works, but it is listed as @THEMENAME@ in the theme selector :D |
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| 17:18.43 | Hydroxide | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6063 seems to describe the behavior I'm seeing, fwiw |
| 17:18.44 | povbot` | Bug 6063: voice calls inaudible most of the time, but not through speakers or earplugs |
| 17:19.03 | Hydroxide | which makes it seem possibly unrelated to the new update. (also I haevn't tried speakers or earplugs yet) |
| 17:19.48 | luke-jr | quite frankly, that bug description sucks :P |
| 17:20.08 | andre__ | luke-jr, better proposal? |
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| 17:20.21 | luke-jr | andre__: well, soemthing that actually says what the problem is? |
| 17:20.28 | luke-jr | to me, it says: |
| 17:20.30 | Hydroxide | luke-jr: it really is an intermittent/random variation between those three behaviors |
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| 17:20.32 | luke-jr | 1. voice calls are silent |
| 17:20.37 | luke-jr | 2. but not |
| 17:20.43 | crashanddie | gents, just wanted to say goodbye |
| 17:20.48 | luke-jr | in other words, works |
| 17:20.53 | luke-jr | crashanddie: leaving IRC? |
| 17:21.01 | crashanddie | next stop will probably be from the asian continent, and after that, oceania |
| 17:21.11 | andre__ | hmm. enjoy :) |
| 17:21.18 | Hydroxide | luke-jr: no, it is in fact an intermittent alternation between 1) 2) and 3), often within the same phone call, like it says |
| 17:21.22 | crashanddie | dunno when I'll have access to the interwebs |
| 17:21.24 | Hydroxide | crashanddie: yes, enjoy :) |
| 17:21.37 | Hydroxide | luke-jr: if it were always 1), then yes, it would be fine |
| 17:21.42 | luke-jr | Hydroxide: the description doesn't mention any 1,2, or 3 :P |
| 17:21.53 | luke-jr | Hydroxide: voice calls aren't supposed to be inaudible... |
| 17:22.03 | luke-jr | I would imagine |
| 17:22.16 | Hydroxide | luke-jr: well, right. did you look at the bug itself? |
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| 17:22.25 | luke-jr | nope, was just commenting on the description :P |
| 17:23.17 | luke-jr | reading the actual bug makes more sense |
| 17:23.20 | luke-jr | but missing one key point |
| 17:23.22 | Hydroxide | yes, it does |
| 17:23.38 | luke-jr | if there's no earplugs or speakers activated, how on earth are you expecting to hear anything? |
| 17:23.52 | luke-jr | N900 can beam the audio into your brain magicly? |
| 17:24.07 | Hydroxide | luke-jr: I think by "earplugs or speakers", the speaker meant "external earbud headphones or external speakers"... |
| 17:24.20 | Hydroxide | luke-jr: not everyone is a native english speaker, and not every native english speaker speaks precisely all the time :) |
| 17:24.36 | luke-jr | ehh, I'd still be confused as heck trying to figure out what the bug report means XD |
| 17:24.49 | Hydroxide | clearly :) have I un-confused you? |
| 17:24.54 | luke-jr | I think so. |
| 17:24.58 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 17:25.01 | Hydroxide | good |
| 17:25.04 | luke-jr | might want to clarify the bug with that info :P |
| 17:25.20 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | fiferboy, found a varible I forgot to change all will be good next version hope ot get it re optified then to. |
| 17:25.25 | crashanddie | anyway, bubye! |
| 17:25.29 | heinx | have you noticed the battery empty sound blasts away pretty much at full volume from the in-ear-buds and gives you a nice jump :) |
| 17:25.33 | Hydroxide | heh, I have yet to create a bugs.m.o account (wasn't my bug in the first place)... so many different bugzillas, all requiring separate accounts |
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| 17:26.10 | villager | luke-jr: I think by speakers he means the normal loud speakers used to play music and games and stuff... as opposed to the earpiece thing used when you use the device as a regular phone |
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| 17:26.45 | Hydroxide | wishes bugzilla didn't require accounts, but that's a much broader problem than just maemo, affecting almost every FOSS project other than Debian |
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| 17:27.27 | villager | luke-jr: like, the speakers are on the side, the earpiece is a hole on the left of the screen |
| 17:27.37 | villager | I think |
| 17:27.52 | Hydroxide | villager: ah, that makes sense. I haven't used the stereo music-playing speakers yet |
| 17:28.24 | lupine_85 | does it have openid? |
| 17:28.39 | heinx | it would be cool if there was a different profile for earbuds and not-earbuds, perhaps in future releases? |
| 17:30.08 | greenfly | there should be already |
| 17:30.39 | greenfly | whatever the volume is set for on the headphones is separate from the volume for the speakers |
| 17:31.01 | greenfly | so you can, for instance, turn down the speaker audio all the way, then plug in headphones and adjust it accordingly |
| 17:31.14 | greenfly | and if your headphones get unplugged it won't blast your music to everyone on the train, for instance |
| 17:31.20 | heinx | ok that's good |
| 17:31.27 | heinx | how about calls? |
| 17:31.30 | heinx | the ringtone |
| 17:31.52 | greenfly | volumes for notifications is set in the profile preferences |
| 17:32.06 | heinx | it's volume has scared me a couple of times already when I haven't remembered to put it way down |
| 17:32.22 | heinx | and then you can't here the phone in your pocket if you leave it down |
| 17:32.23 | greenfly | open up the "General" profile preferences and scroll down |
| 17:32.33 | phr | it would be good to use the microphone to do active noise cancellation in software if you're weariring earphones |
| 17:32.51 | phr | subtract out the ambient low frequency sound |
| 17:33.00 | xorAxAx | hmm, does your vibration motor make high pitched noises as well? |
| 17:33.04 | heinx | so does that ringtone volume also have two profiles (earbuds on/off)? |
| 17:33.14 | phr | it would have to be equalized for the specific earphones but that'd be a one-time setup |
| 17:33.47 | hrw | bye |
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| 17:34.39 | phr | say, does anyone know the speed of the 900's 5mp camera (how many seconds required between shots)? tx |
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| 17:35.43 | julianol1ver | hmm, as of the last day Maemo has been really struggling on the N900. window flipping get's stuck, kb input also, as do scrolling to new workspaces, requiring a reboot in some cases. df -h tells me i'm not low on diskspace and top doesn't report anything unusual. any where else to look? |
| 17:36.23 | julianol1ver | it's been running like a charm since i was given the device.. |
| 17:36.32 | julianol1ver | (2.5 months) |
| 17:37.00 | xorAxAx | hmm, does your vibration motor make high pitched noises as well? |
| 17:37.10 | julianol1ver | no |
| 17:37.55 | julianol1ver | but i typed some text into the terminal 1 minute ago and i have to see it appear.. |
| 17:37.56 | Trizt | do you use modest? |
| 17:38.02 | RST38h | julian: reboot |
| 17:38.04 | julianol1ver | Trizt: what is it? |
| 17:38.09 | julianol1ver | RST38h: yes, i do that often. |
| 17:38.10 | Trizt | the emial client |
| 17:38.17 | julianol1ver | i use the default client |
| 17:38.38 | SpeedEvil | julianol1ver: I noticed tracker/thumbnailer using stupid amounts of CPU - and making it unresponsive |
| 17:39.02 | Trizt | the default email client on n900 seems to leak memeory as hell and uses loads of cpu cycles |
| 17:39.09 | julianol1ver | SpeedEvil: top isn't reporting anything unusual, however it takes some time for the terminal to come into focus, so i may be fooling myself. |
| 17:39.22 | julianol1ver | Trizt: ahah.. well it has been quite fine up until this point. |
| 17:39.37 | julianol1ver | SpeedEvil: is it possible to purge this entirely? |
| 17:39.41 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 17:39.52 | Trizt | julianol1ver; I usually need to do a "kill -9 <pid>" on it |
| 17:39.59 | julianol1ver | Trizt: ok |
| 17:40.02 | julianol1ver | tries this |
| 17:40.22 | Trizt | julianol1ver; I installed claw-mail today as a replacement |
| 17:40.42 | julianol1ver | hmm, the device is locked up. i have a half-faded in terminal, stuck there. |
| 17:40.51 | julianol1ver | reboots |
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| 17:42.31 | julianol1ver | the last thing i remember installing before it went a bit silly was the (excellent) 'Qik'. |
| 17:43.26 | Trizt | did you do the maemo update recently (Monday I think it came out)? |
| 17:43.44 | julianol1ver | in fact i did.. |
| 17:44.36 | Trizt | waits for the next one |
| 17:44.45 | julianol1ver | after reboot and while idle i'm using 98%CPU and 95M physical mem. after a minute it quitens down to 9%CPU but mem usage is still as high. |
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| 17:45.20 | odin_ | does Maemo have a specific DEB packager ? i.e. customer modules to apt/dpkg ? |
| 17:45.30 | julianol1ver | ugh, weird. a single tap on the screen spikes it up to 100%! |
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| 17:46.10 | Trizt | julianol1ver; yeah, something that seems to be broke, I have ~2% / 155MB |
| 17:46.40 | Trizt | and tapping spikes up to 18% |
| 17:46.59 | julianol1ver | tomorrow i think i'll backup and reinstall. |
| 17:48.18 | julianol1ver | i'm sure it's my fault, i've been installing all sorts of evil goodies from extras, writing and running my own software (none on init though..).. |
| 17:48.45 | Trizt | extras-devel too? |
| 17:48.50 | julianol1ver | indeed.. |
| 17:48.57 | julianol1ver | how can i not : | |
| 17:49.04 | Trizt | :) |
| 17:49.15 | julianol1ver | it's an orchard ;) |
| 17:49.34 | Trizt | I tend to look how much it tries to install, if too much new stuff, then I skip the install |
| 17:50.23 | julianol1ver | i've been using Debian as my sole OS for around 11 years now, i should know better ;) |
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| 17:51.24 | Trizt | ain't that happy with debian |
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| 17:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I think the browser's missing. |
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| 17:55.48 | angasuleN810 | it seems the advanced power applet has a memory leak |
| 17:57.03 | odin_ | "git clone git://gitorious.org/modest/wpeditor.git" fails for me, who do I contact to fix? is it a temp issue ? is it user error here ? |
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| 17:58.45 | flux | does n900 accept calendar entry sms-messages? atleast it looks like it can send them. |
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| 18:01.05 | odin_ | does gitorious have a different login to other parts of maemo? |
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| 18:01.47 | slonopotamus | wooow! i just ran chromium on n800! |
| 18:02.03 | slonopotamus | http://slonopotamus.org/chromium_n800.jpg |
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| 18:02.23 | flux | slonopotamus, pretty cool :). how's the memory use? |
| 18:03.56 | slonopotamus | flux, 19mb with gentoo.org open |
| 18:03.56 | slonopotamus | flux, and it's damn fast |
| 18:04.04 | flux | slonopotamus, not to bad! |
| 18:04.09 | flux | slonopotamus, how about with multiple tabs? |
| 18:04.20 | flux | say, gentoo.org open twice? |
| 18:06.11 | slonopotamus | err... flux 5x gentoo.org, 21mb |
| 18:06.30 | flux | so quite sensible memory use |
| 18:06.51 | flux | not sure if chromium would just fork the old tab in that case and maximize sharing, though |
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| 18:12.26 | Trizt | is there any way you can prevent the wallpapers to be displayed in the image viewer, I would like to block them permanently without delete them |
| 18:13.21 | julianol1ver | a MIME trick? suffix or make them a dotfile? |
| 18:15.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems all that doesn't help. the indexer seems to be greedy and doesn't act like expected to the config where and what to search for. At least that's what I've been told |
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| 18:15.39 | Trizt | that sound like windows |
| 18:15.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol yeah |
| 18:16.09 | flux | you could move them to a directory that the tracker doesn't track |
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| 18:16.17 | flux | ..possibly change tracker config to exclude certain directories |
| 18:16.38 | julianol1ver | that'd do it. |
| 18:16.47 | flux | tracker config is at /home/user/.config/tracker |
| 18:17.01 | Trizt | on a nfs share which ain't mounted |
| 18:18.26 | julianol1ver | bbl |
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| 18:20.43 | slonopotamus | flux, i bet it'll use _much_ less mem than microb on any page :) |
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| 18:22.12 | flux | slonopotamus, how are you measuring the memory use, btw? |
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| 18:22.47 | slonopotamus | err |
| 18:22.54 | slonopotamus | i did it wrong :D |
| 18:23.08 | slonopotamus | i should use chromium built-in thing. |
| 18:27.21 | slonopotamus | flux, it doesn't go into swap. so, (free + buffered after launching chomium) - (free + buffered before launching chromium) is good enough? |
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| 18:28.09 | slonopotamus | + (swap_after swap_before) if it does swapping |
| 18:28.17 | flux | how about used+swap+buffers? |
| 18:28.22 | flux | before and after? |
| 18:28.59 | slonopotamus | flux, gimme a good formula to calculate mem usage :) |
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| 18:29.15 | slonopotamus | or just a link where microb starts swapping |
| 18:29.27 | slonopotamus | slashdot.org is good enough? :) |
| 18:29.35 | slonopotamus | microb is crawling there |
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| 18:30.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray for stinking js |
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| 18:34.22 | RST38h | you can try enabling jit |
| 18:34.35 | slonopotamus | RST38h, uh? |
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| 18:39.14 | RST38h | slonopotamus: about:config |
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| 18:41.15 | slonopotamus | RST38h, does nothing in chromium. you're talking about microb? |
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| 18:42.27 | RST38h | MicroB of course |
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| 18:43.18 | slonopotamus | RST38h, regardless of what you do to microb, it'll still be slow and memory-hungry. |
| 18:43.43 | RST38h | slono: There is a magic trick to that |
| 18:44.03 | RST38h | slono: Install and run Fennec, and MicroB will suddenly become fast and slim. |
| 18:44.07 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 18:44.22 | Corsac | aha :)) |
| 18:44.25 | slonopotamus | it's still damn slow compared to chromium |
| 18:44.35 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.39 | slonopotamus | let's bench slashdot.org load time? |
| 18:44.49 | Corsac | sure, what a nice thing to do |
| 18:44.52 | RST38h | chromium on N900? ;) |
| 18:45.19 | angasuleN810 | I want a browser with a good UI in addition to light and fast |
| 18:45.29 | flux | well, all kinds of things affect that, no? |
| 18:45.31 | angasuleN810 | microb does well in UI |
| 18:45.34 | pronto | does anyone acutly use that ovi thing? |
| 18:45.38 | Corsac | I find midori nice, but microb is ok anyway |
| 18:45.47 | lardman|home | trying to install gnuplot-nox in sb to build Octave, I get the following error, any thoughts?: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3b2e7451 |
| 18:46.56 | smaug | midori is buggy as h*** |
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| 18:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | smaug, probably why it's in Extras-devel and not Extras. :) |
| 18:47.44 | slonopotamus | microb is slow even on n900 |
| 18:47.59 | smaug | MicroB works well on n900 |
| 18:48.04 | guido_g | ack |
| 18:48.08 | RST38h | You all want Lynx. |
| 18:48.13 | RST38h | Lynx is damn fast. |
| 18:48.16 | slonopotamus | i didn't say it doesn't work |
| 18:48.20 | guido_g | it's balzingly fast compared to the browser on my e90 :) |
| 18:48.21 | slonopotamus | it is just slow |
| 18:49.26 | smaug | doesn't feel slow here at all |
| 18:50.02 | smaug | I wonder if MicroB has all the JIT stuff |
| 18:50.14 | smaug | Tracemonkey is faster on ARM than V8, IIRC |
| 18:50.18 | RST38h | AFAIK, jit is disabled by default in microb |
| 18:50.27 | RST38h | someone enabled it and got +30% js performance |
| 18:50.28 | smaug | oh |
| 18:50.34 | RST38h | But it probably leaks memory like hell |
| 18:50.40 | smaug | microb has old gecko |
| 18:51.18 | smaug | why would it leak memory a lot? |
| 18:51.44 | SpeedEvil | I've wondered how much it would take to speed stuff up given bounties. |
| 18:51.52 | RST38h | well, it feels like the only reason to disble jit by default |
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| 18:52.15 | SpeedEvil | For example 'For each 1% (based on a given metric) of speedup in foo, pushed to upstream patches - you get $100' |
| 18:52.34 | SpeedEvil | And reduce RAM |
| 18:53.40 | smaug | performance testing is hard. Many or most of the testcases I've seen are actually testing something else than the test author thought. |
| 18:53.46 | [Tycho] | eComStation way ? :) |
| 18:53.58 | timeless | kontorri: thememaker doesn't set a background color for active calendar items in week view |
| 18:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, compared to? :) |
| 18:54.28 | smaug | timeless: kontorri -> konttori ? |
| 18:55.35 | SpeedEvil | smaug: Sure. But - say a metric of time to complete page load of 20 leading sites, plus time to navigate to two randomly picked links (picked by a third browser) in each site - say. |
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| 19:06.29 | caratorn | hello, I was wondering if the firmware update has been pushed for everyone, |
| 19:06.53 | caratorn | because I didn't see any software update available on my N900 |
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| 19:10.23 | Stskeeps | oh dear @ ovi store snafu |
| 19:10.51 | Stskeeps | it was really possible to just apt-get paid apps? .. |
| 19:11.00 | RST38h | really? =) |
| 19:11.10 | timeless_mbp | smaug: sure, konttori_nokia |
| 19:11.16 | RST38h | that is why I cannot get Angry Birds levels? |
| 19:11.18 | timeless_mbp | the reasons jit wasn't enabled |
| 19:11.28 | slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, chromium, compared to microb, is blazing fast |
| 19:11.38 | timeless_mbp | were that it wasn't stable, it in certain instances (because it wasn't ready) was crashy |
| 19:11.46 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, and, how, exactly, are you comparing? :) |
| 19:12.06 | timeless_mbp | and it was probably bailing in enough cases that it was causing a slowdown |
| 19:12.08 | wazd_e63 | Any way to sell something in ovi store without paying zillion bucks to nokla?) |
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| 19:12.17 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, ha! I KNEW it |
| 19:12.22 | timeless_mbp | when microb updates to a less ancient gecko, jit should be enabled |
| 19:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, did they just obfuscate the package names? |
| 19:12.34 | slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, by visiting websites. surprize! |
| 19:12.48 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: are you comparing a chromium from 1 year ago, or a chromium from today? |
| 19:12.56 | timeless_mbp | because picking a chromium from today is unfair |
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| 19:13.10 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, with Chromium on the N900? :) |
| 19:13.21 | Hexagoon | Hey, anyone more that me having problem with internet connection in SDK? |
| 19:13.29 | slonopotamus | microb on n8x0 from today vs chromium on n8x0 from today, everything fair. |
| 19:13.37 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: no |
| 19:13.39 | timeless_mbp | that's not a microb from today |
| 19:13.42 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 19:13.46 | timeless_mbp | that's a microb from at best june |
| 19:14.00 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, that's microb_on_n8x0 from today |
| 19:14.08 | slonopotamus | or you have newer one? |
| 19:14.09 | timeless_mbp | oh brother |
| 19:14.15 | timeless_mbp | whose microb? |
| 19:14.22 | timeless_mbp | is this the official nokia microb for diablo? |
| 19:14.28 | timeless_mbp | because that's more like a microb from 2 years ago |
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| 19:14.33 | xorAxAx | chinooks microb sucks on 770 :) |
| 19:14.43 | slonopotamus | that's whay is available from all maemo-related repos |
| 19:14.51 | slonopotamus | s/whay/what/ |
| 19:15.08 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: so roughly, you're comparing a browser from two years ago against a browser from _now_ |
| 19:15.14 | slonopotamus | so what? |
| 19:15.20 | timeless_mbp | i hope you understand how that comparison is unfair |
| 19:15.25 | slonopotamus | nokia stopped supporting n8x0 |
| 19:15.25 | BluesLee | hello, can someone help with flashing the n900 |
| 19:15.27 | GeneralAntilles | and pointless |
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| 19:15.38 | wazd_e63 | Sounds fair) |
| 19:15.48 | slonopotamus | i'm comparing latest chromium to latest microb on n8x0. |
| 19:15.48 | thresh | duh, i'm unable to register the account on ovi |
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| 19:16.09 | BluesLee | how do i know that the n900 flashs the rootfs, should i see a bar or whatever? |
| 19:16.19 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: you have to include 'diablo' in your comments |
| 19:16.25 | timeless_mbp | otherwise your statement is incredibly misleading |
| 19:16.31 | BluesLee | i see a black nokia symbol and an usb icon |
| 19:16.32 | timeless_mbp | it isn't the latest version of microb |
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| 19:16.46 | timeless_mbp | it's like saying "i'm comparing the latest firefox [that runs on windows 95] with Chrome" |
| 19:17.02 | Mozillion | Chromium \o/ |
| 19:17.08 | synca | hi, what's the server adress to get on this channel using the irc plugin on N900? |
| 19:17.11 | SouBE | should Maemo 5 IM location sharing work? it doesn't update location even when i move from a city to another |
| 19:17.24 | Mozillion | works for me |
| 19:17.33 | timeless_mbp | SouBE: do you have a gps lock? |
| 19:17.38 | Mozillion | maybe it didn't get a fix all this time? |
| 19:17.38 | timeless_mbp | (i.e. a satellite icon) |
| 19:17.41 | GeneralAntilles | synca, chat.freenode.net |
| 19:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | Milhouse, ping? |
| 19:17.47 | SouBE | timeless_mbp: yes |
| 19:17.50 | synca | thx |
| 19:17.52 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, firefox2 required windows 98 |
| 19:18.00 | Arkenoi | seems that it does not support location update xmpp extension |
| 19:18.06 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, you have newer microb running on n8x0? |
| 19:18.12 | Arkenoi | nor google does support it |
| 19:18.14 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: i think romaxa does |
| 19:18.20 | Arkenoi | so it is close to being useless |
| 19:18.25 | BluesLee | did anyone here flashed his n900? |
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| 19:18.38 | timeless_mbp | SouBE: the sharing we do sticks it into your status/away message |
| 19:18.44 | timeless_mbp | not into some dedicated location field |
| 19:18.44 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, who is that? |
| 19:18.50 | Mozillion | nope |
| 19:18.58 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: roughly the key microb engineer |
| 19:19.08 | timeless_mbp | you could do /whois ... |
| 19:19.09 | Mozillion | why is everyone so eager to flash to RP1.0.1 instead of upgrade? |
| 19:19.11 | wazd_e63 | romaxa rullez) |
| 19:19.17 | slonopotamus | oh. do users have it? :) |
| 19:19.21 | timeless_mbp | Mozillion: because users are stupid |
| 19:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | Mozillion, and lots of them come from Symbian. |
| 19:19.43 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, and stop trolling :P you perfectly understood my point. |
| 19:19.43 | SouBE | timeless_mbp: I can see a location message in status field, but location is incorrect |
| 19:19.44 | Mozillion | ok |
| 19:20.07 | Mozillion | so, maybe it should be mentioned that upgrading is just as fine and more convenient? |
| 19:20.28 | SouBE | timeless_mbp: it hasn't updated location in the last 12 hours |
| 19:20.35 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: my point is that you should *not* talk about 'microb' in the abstract without clearly indicating that you're talking about an old version of microb |
| 19:20.42 | timeless_mbp | what you're really complaining about is nokia management |
| 19:20.45 | BluesLee | Mozillion: thats not correct, i want to flash the initial firmware |
| 19:20.46 | timeless_mbp | and you're free to do so |
| 19:20.50 | timeless_mbp | i will not complain if you do that |
| 19:21.03 | timeless_mbp | although, i'd rather you complain to nokia care |
| 19:21.09 | timeless_mbp | since that'd be more useful than just ranting here |
| 19:21.10 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, i'm talking about latest microb version available in maemo. |
| 19:21.18 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: um |
| 19:21.28 | timeless_mbp | what does javascript:navigator.userAgent say for you? |
| 19:21.36 | JamieBennett | anyone know if the script that produces - http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/4.1.2_vs_5.0_content_changes.html - is available somewhere? |
| 19:21.43 | slonopotamus | and latest chromium available in gentoo :) |
| 19:21.49 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, Maemo _WHAT_? |
| 19:22.04 | BluesLee | Mozillion: i had to struggle freeing 25 mb for RP1.0.1 and as i want RP1.1 in the end which needs 45 mb i have to do a cleanup and avoid devel repo |
| 19:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, you know what the problem is with your position. YOU stop trolling. |
| 19:22.08 | Mozillion | BluesLee: I know.. that's fine to reset it |
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| 19:22.26 | wazd_e63 | N |
| 19:22.27 | Mozillion | I just was reminded by the hordes of people asking to flash |
| 19:22.46 | Mozillion | PR1.0.1 contains an optification of Python.. I had much more free space afterwards |
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| 19:23.00 | timeless_mbp | JamieBennett: as scripts go, that one shouldn't be particularly interesting |
| 19:23.05 | Mozillion | well... a bit more :) |
| 19:23.08 | timeless_mbp | it's roughly dpkg -l |
| 19:23.10 | timeless_mbp | dpkg -l |
| 19:23.18 | timeless_mbp | and then a fairly simple diff rule |
| 19:23.23 | BluesLee | Mozillion: it was about 3mb for me, i only see an usb symbol in the right corner no message nothing more |
| 19:23.33 | timeless_mbp | for any package missing from the older field they print 'N/A' |
| 19:23.44 | timeless_mbp | and for any package missing from the newer field they print 'Removed' |
| 19:23.46 | GeneralAntilles | Mozillion, no Maemo release contains Python. |
| 19:23.50 | Arkenoi | where is my updaaaate? |
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| 19:23.53 | Mozillion | also... apt-cache show the installed size, as is normal in Debian.. but maybe we should have something to see the root size |
| 19:23.57 | JamieBennett | timeless_mbp: yep it uses a .css file to render the html, it would be nice to have rather than write my own :) |
| 19:24.27 | BluesLee | okay, let me ask following: did anyone flashed a nxxx device yet? |
| 19:24.32 | Mozillion | GeneralAntilles: no? it was maemo extras? |
| 19:24.42 | GeneralAntilles | Mozillion, yes. |
| 19:24.44 | synca | hmmm ok can anyone explain me how to get irc working on the N900? |
| 19:24.49 | Mozillion | the thing was.. I read a bunch about update |
| 19:25.05 | Mozillion | about the update*.. but didn't get any.. no notification, app manager showed nothing on manual update |
| 19:25.08 | timeless_mbp | synca: locally or remotely? |
| 19:25.12 | timeless_mbp | locally you could install xchat |
| 19:25.16 | Mozillion | then I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and suddenly saw that there were updates |
| 19:25.17 | timeless_mbp | personally, i go w/ remotely |
| 19:25.51 | Mozillion | but I couldn't distinguish extras from the PR1.0.1, my mistake |
| 19:26.00 | synca | timeless_mbp and what's th difference? |
| 19:26.18 | timeless_mbp | well, remote irc clients are less likely to be graphical |
| 19:26.29 | Mozillion | I found xchat locally not nice to use (yet) |
| 19:26.37 | timeless_mbp | but if you use a local irc client and your network connection changes, you lose your irc connections |
| 19:26.38 | Mozillion | irssi locally works better IMO |
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| 19:27.05 | Mozillion | connecting to a remote IRC proxy ;) |
| 19:27.10 | timeless_mbp | w/ a remote irc client, you don't lose your connections when you change networks (although you do have to reconnect to your irc client) |
| 19:27.11 | Mozillion | indeed, timeless_mbp |
| 19:27.17 | slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, maemo diablo.latest one available for n8x0. |
| 19:27.24 | timeless_mbp | or you could use an irc proxy, your choice |
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| 19:27.55 | BluesLee | okay, works now |
| 19:28.22 | BluesLee | someone should update the wiki |
| 19:29.01 | synca | let's start of locally then, 'cause I don't have a 3G plan yet, so I'm eather at home or at work on wifi |
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| 19:29.32 | timeless_mbp | synca: xchat is in one or more of the extras repositories |
| 19:29.44 | Robot101 | \o/ |
| 19:29.46 | BluesLee | hehe, the nokia hands are back |
| 19:29.56 | timeless_mbp | somewhere on *.maemo.org is an explanation of how things work |
| 19:29.57 | Robot101 | Telepathy file transfer app uploaded to maemo extras devel |
| 19:29.58 | Robot101 | :) |
| 19:30.07 | timeless_mbp | BluesLee: wanna replace it with a maemo.org splash? |
| 19:30.15 | ruskie | so when do we get telepathy-otr then? |
| 19:30.16 | synca | do i need the irc protocol plugin? |
| 19:30.18 | Stskeeps | Robot101: does it support skype file transfer? |
| 19:30.20 | timeless_mbp | has a package (in a repository) for that |
| 19:30.30 | Stskeeps | and why isn't that a sharing plugin? :P |
| 19:30.45 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Using 0.0.2? |
| 19:30.45 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: libsharing is fucking bonghits, we couldn't make it work without the source |
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| 19:31.00 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: it makes threads for the plugins which is a total pile of crap for gtk apps |
| 19:31.16 | evo | hi, any vagalume users here? From what I read online I didn't get if you can listen to and scrobble the n900 library too |
| 19:31.21 | Arkenoi | ah, see it via dist-upgrade. but i do not have enough space, is it safe to relink /var/cache/apt/archives to, say, /home/archives? |
| 19:31.22 | dymaxion | anyone else experience apt-worker backend killingi the CPU on the N900 ? I've seen it grind at 90% for ages.. when installing apps... |
| 19:31.47 | timeless_mbp | dymaxion: why would that be bad? |
| 19:31.58 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: gonna see if we can get the source to fix it |
| 19:32.02 | timeless_mbp | apt-worker is responsible for doing your installation... |
| 19:32.06 | dymaxion | because the device becomes non-responsive... for like 5mins... |
| 19:32.09 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: and as for skype... good idea. I think they might be busy doing something else though |
| 19:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, not then, am now. ;) |
| 19:32.21 | dymaxion | should install in a few secs... for some reason it gets itself really stuck... |
| 19:32.31 | BluesLee | timeless_mbp: i did that before, after reflashing i have the nokia hands |
| 19:32.42 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, did you remove the OS metapackage? |
| 19:32.46 | Mozillion | omg! apt-get clean doesn't get run? |
| 19:32.52 | timeless_mbp | BluesLee: if you backed up your applications |
| 19:33.07 | timeless_mbp | you could restore from backup and it'd grab the package and get rid of hands :) |
| 19:33.08 | BluesLee | timeless_mbp: maemo.org flyby splash is a very good one |
| 19:33.10 | Arkenoi | GeneralAntilles, nope, should i? |
| 19:33.11 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you want an Extras component, by the way? |
| 19:33.12 | dymaxion | eg. I was donwloading a new theme from ovi store... it got stuck on "preparing for installation", wouldnlt respond to any screenpresses... for 5mins |
| 19:33.16 | ruskie | I hope sharing-plugin-cli will get done soon |
| 19:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, well, it would explain why you aren't seeing the update if you removed it. |
| 19:33.35 | Arkenoi | no |
| 19:33.36 | dymaxion | I eventally got a terminal open to run top (pressing ctrlL- <--) |
| 19:33.37 | BluesLee | timeless_mbp: i didnt backuped anything because i wanted to get rid of all the apps eating up / |
| 19:33.39 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa / GeneralAntilles : someone needs to help me get my splash package into extras |
| 19:33.44 | timeless_mbp | BluesLee: ah |
| 19:33.58 | BluesLee | timeless_mbp: only some mods for kbd |
| 19:34.04 | dymaxion | guesses that noone else has seen this problem... hmm.. |
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| 19:34.19 | Arkenoi | so what about apt archives, does it break something if i replace it with link to another directory? |
| 19:34.25 | timeless_mbp | dymaxion: so, what repositories do you have enabled? |
| 19:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, no. |
| 19:34.33 | Arkenoi | to a different filesystem, say, /home |
| 19:34.39 | Arkenoi | ok, so i will do now |
| 19:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, but it doesn't fix why you aren't seeing the update. |
| 19:34.44 | timeless_mbp | having extras-devel/extras-testing enabled is hazardous to performance during installation of stuff |
| 19:34.49 | dymaxion | all the normal repos, + the dev , testing ones... |
| 19:35.03 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, try apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 19:35.04 | timeless_mbp | dymaxion: see, there's your problem :) |
| 19:35.32 | thresh | angry birds rule |
| 19:35.59 | dymaxion | timeless :-) you think it's timing out on one of the dev repos ? |
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| 19:36.46 | Arkenoi | GeneralAntilles, hmm, gonna install 18.9Mb, is it the update? how does it differ from dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:36.54 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, that's the update. |
| 19:37.02 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, I think you did remove the OS metapackage. |
| 19:37.10 | RST38h | oh |
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| 19:37.28 | Arkenoi | i am sure i did not, maybe rst38h did while playing with my phone ;-)) |
| 19:37.49 | timeless_mbp | dymaxion: it generally does :) |
| 19:37.53 | RST38h | I did? |
| 19:37.57 | dymaxion | either way apt-get worker shouldbn't eat up so much CPU that OS becomes completely frozen... |
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| 19:38.11 | dymaxion | should yield to the task switcher function at least! |
| 19:38.22 | dymaxion | bug report ? what u reckon? |
| 19:38.27 | Arkenoi | RST38h, just a joke, but nobody else played with my phone app installer ;-)) |
| 19:38.38 | Mozillion | need space on your n900 after installing & deinstalling apps.. you might want to run apt-get autoclean |
| 19:39.00 | RST38h | mmm |
| 19:39.02 | Mozillion | I'm really WTF that that doesn't happen |
| 19:39.09 | Mozillion | .. automatically |
| 19:39.46 | Trizt | is there a way to make claws-mail as the default mail client (clicking on an e-mail address in contact book opens claws)? |
| 19:40.52 | dymaxion | you guys reckon claws mail is better than modest? last time I checked it wasn't very finger friendly? modest on N900 drives me mad! |
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| 19:41.19 | dymaxion | 1) no search 2) no multiple email delete 3) when deleting one email it refreshes the entire inbox... takes ages ! |
| 19:41.33 | Mozillion | no multiple email delete? |
| 19:41.39 | GeneralAntilles | Mozillion, h-a-m does it automatically. |
| 19:41.41 | Mozillion | (1) and (3) are a pain, yes |
| 19:41.42 | Trizt | modest eats up all my ram when I try to connect to my mailbox (imaps) and never shows any mail, so it's quite useless for me |
| 19:41.44 | GeneralAntilles | Mozillion, but only for stuff installed through it. |
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| 19:42.00 | Mozillion | GeneralAntilles: ah yes.. so for some reason it was unaware of the update |
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| 19:42.18 | SyncA | ok, on from xchat |
| 19:43.16 | ruskie | hmm can't update extras-devel |
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| 19:43.36 | Mozillion | SyncA: yay! |
| 19:43.43 | Arkenoi | thanks, updated successfully |
| 19:43.55 | dymaxion | Mozillion, i foro sure can't find a function where I can checkbox all the emailsl I want to delete then zap them all... have to do one by one! grrr :-( |
| 19:44.00 | SyncA | can this xchat support multiple servers? |
| 19:44.21 | Mozillion | dymaxion: I can.. press on the title bar, delete and click them |
| 19:44.23 | Mozillion | SyncA: it does |
| 19:44.47 | SyncA | nice! |
| 19:45.09 | dymaxion | oh silly me! well still 1) and 3) are a pain :-) |
| 19:45.23 | Mozillion | dymaxion: also when you delete multiple you have to wait |
| 19:46.31 | dymaxion | thinks threaded emails would be nice too |
| 19:46.48 | Trizt | alpine would have been nice |
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| 19:47.38 | tigert | isnt modest free software? |
| 19:47.44 | tigert | hack away? :) |
| 19:47.58 | SpeedEvil | Angry Birds should clearly have a twitter component. |
| 19:48.12 | johnsu01 | the email client has really been failing me |
| 19:48.25 | Trizt | tigert; and thgen you hacked fixed version will be overwritten next time you update the firmware |
| 19:48.26 | tigert | SpeedEvil: "Ooof" "Boom!" "Snort!" |
| 19:48.35 | johnsu01 | recently none of the messages marked as read in the client were marked read on the imap server |
| 19:48.37 | Arkenoi | btw apt-get dist-upgrade still offers a lot of stuff to install, should i agree? ;-) |
| 19:48.57 | tigert | Trizt: so, then you reinstall it like other apps |
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| 19:49.17 | tigert | Arkenoi: NO |
| 19:49.22 | dymaxion | you know how iPhones have customised webpages for many sites (more finger friendly) --- was wondering if you could tell the browser to identify itself as an iphone and thus receive the iphone version of gmail website and other sites for example... |
| 19:49.24 | tigert | Arkenoi: dont do that |
| 19:49.39 | Trizt | tigert; better to have a way to define your default mailer |
| 19:49.40 | tigert | Arkenoi: it looks like debian but it is not debian |
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| 19:49.57 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how badly it explodes if you dio that |
| 19:50.04 | tigert | dist-upgrade is not something you should do |
| 19:50.12 | wazd_e63 | Back from the dungeon |
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| 19:50.20 | Arkenoi | tigert: so what are that packages and what's wrong with them? |
| 19:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, with the right (i.e., wrong) repos you'll drop yourself in a reboot loop. |
| 19:50.32 | SyncA | I have this problem with microB, when your screen locks with the keyboard open, you can unlock by tapping the screen, but when you accidently hit a link (on the black screen) it opens th link |
| 19:50.37 | johnsu01 | heh, I just did a dist-upgrade last night |
| 19:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | Likely they conflict with most of the core system packages. |
| 19:50.47 | Arkenoi | ah |
| 19:50.58 | SyncA | think it wasn't like that before the update... |
| 19:51.15 | Hardknox | new firmware update was my nightmare |
| 19:51.40 | Hardknox | phone hangs every time when I unlock keys arghhhhh |
| 19:52.06 | SyncA | how can I find out if this bug is filed yet? |
| 19:52.07 | tigert | the setup is not like debian, but rather a metapkg depends on certain versions of everything |
| 19:52.22 | Arkenoi | do *all* qt-based application start 3 seconds or more or just *some*? ;-) |
| 19:52.39 | tigert | so app manager can know you have a known setup of stuff when you get an update |
| 19:52.46 | RST38h | probably all |
| 19:52.55 | Arkenoi | then qt is evil |
| 19:52.55 | tigert | its not supposed to work with dist-upgrade |
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| 19:53.35 | Arkenoi | it affects user experience much. it is generally acceptable delay, but actually it should not be |
| 19:53.43 | TTilus | say i wanted to programmatically poke with maemo5 contacts database, how would i go about that? |
| 19:53.48 | Arkenoi | or is there any way to speed that up? |
| 19:54.18 | tigert | TTilus: its sqlite iirc, but i guess there are apis too? |
| 19:54.22 | alterego | TTilus, there's a library for contacts, check the API documentation on tthe maemo site. |
| 19:54.32 | TTilus | cool! |
| 19:54.43 | TTilus | alterego, tigert: thanks |
| 19:55.04 | tigert | its evolution-dataserver unless my knowledge is too old :) |
| 19:56.18 | Arkenoi | RST38h, may prelink help? |
| 19:56.51 | Hardknox | where are you from? |
| 19:57.39 | ruskie | yeah contacts is eds |
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| 19:57.45 | ruskie | calendar is sqlite |
| 19:58.10 | Arkenoi | Xarchiver is ugly. Is there an alternative? |
| 19:58.15 | ruskie | port the GUI to hildon? |
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| 19:59.18 | RST38h | Arkenoi: prolly |
| 19:59.29 | Hardknox | I gues I understand... In this room just talking about programming |
| 19:59.38 | ruskie | nope |
| 19:59.58 | t7g__ | that's #maemo-devel, this is just kinda a general channel, the others aren't as filled or as active |
| 20:00.09 | ruskie | even -devel is more of a quiet spot |
| 20:00.19 | ruskie | not really coding specific I'd say |
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| 20:00.52 | Hardknox | OK |
| 20:01.59 | Hardknox | Is someone can tell me why my phone After the upgrade so it hangs |
| 20:03.44 | microlith | sweeps pidgin off his phone |
| 20:03.58 | Hardknox | whatever... |
| 20:04.07 | Hardknox | I thought that the amendments are to fix bugs :( |
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| 20:06.14 | SyncA | any help on adding a server in xchat that is not in the default list? can't seem to find info on using xchat on t.m.o |
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| 20:09.37 | SyncA | just a sec, might be getting somewhere |
| 20:09.50 | andre__ | SyncA: Xchat > Network List > Add ??? |
| 20:09.52 | bilboed | pierlux, love your description of map buddy on the website :) |
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| 20:11.38 | pierlux | bilboed, it's all facts :) |
| 20:11.49 | SyncA | andre__, found that out already, couldn't save the server adress, made it work |
| 20:12.05 | bilboed | pierlux, sadly true I know :( |
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| 20:13.34 | gevaerts | Is there a tutorial somewhere that describes how to convert a standard fullscreen sdl app to behave more or less nicely on maemo5? |
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| 20:14.13 | timeless_mbp | dymaxion: you can change microb's useragent to get iphone content |
| 20:14.18 | timeless_mbp | it does work, sometimes |
| 20:14.26 | timeless_mbp | and sometimes you'll get junk for various reasons |
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| 20:15.01 | timeless_mbp | as for threading... threading is a bad idea on space constrained systems, what you want is google conversations |
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| 20:15.24 | SpeedEvil | tin. |
| 20:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hey, can we get an en_US localized package name for Catorise? :D |
| 20:16.15 | timeless_mbp | SyncA: so about screen blanking |
| 20:16.25 | timeless_mbp | the problem is iirc that the screen goes away on mouse down |
| 20:16.26 | Arkenoi | but i did not get more free space after update, it remains the same |
| 20:16.33 | timeless_mbp | but lets the mouse up and click events through |
| 20:16.34 | returnthis | question: I just installed scratch box, but there is no run_me_first.sh |
| 20:16.39 | timeless_mbp | which is what the browser sees |
| 20:16.43 | timeless_mbp | this is not a new feature |
| 20:16.49 | timeless_mbp | you're just imagining that it wasn't there before |
| 20:17.01 | timeless_mbp | bugs.maemo.org is our bug database |
| 20:17.12 | SyncA | might be so yes, not shure |
| 20:17.19 | returnthis | where do I get that? or do I have to rm -fr /scratchbox and start again? |
| 20:17.33 | timeless_mbp | you're free to file it, but you won't get much more of a response other than me moving it to the Desktop side with a note "it's their fault, their screen blanker sucks" |
| 20:17.49 | timeless_mbp | heck, now that i've told you this, if you file it in the browser component, i'll yell directly at you :) |
| 20:18.04 | timeless_mbp | i.e. it's a bug in the screen blanker, and i don't want it in my component :) |
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| 20:18.26 | timeless_mbp | (i'm sure there's an internal bug for it, andre__ or someone will pair a number for it) |
| 20:18.32 | t7g__ | I take it python would be fast enough on n900 to run an AngryBirds clone right? (Not sure how intense the physics calcs are) |
| 20:18.53 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: re enus catoise, glad to see you asking :) |
| 20:19.51 | SyncA | timeless_mbp, that's why I wanted to ask the question here first, couldn't imagine me beeing the first to notice |
| 20:20.01 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I'm tempted to create an Extras product just to file that enhancement. |
| 20:20.21 | SyncA | but couldn't find anything on it on T.M.O |
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| 20:20.46 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: go for it :) |
| 20:21.48 | SpeedEvil | t7g__: 30 or so objects interacting at 30hz or so - and painting at 25fps or so. |
| 20:22.45 | odin_ | any gitorious.org users on ? or GIT users even ? "warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout." from trying to "git clone git://gitorious.org/modest/wpeditor.git" |
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| 20:23.00 | timeless_mbp | odin_: awesome |
| 20:23.20 | Trizt | is there something wrong with maep or is the gps that lousy on the n900 that it shows 500m wrong? |
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| 20:24.25 | timeless_mbp | odin_: http://www.mail-archive.com/gitorious@googlegroups.com/msg00228.html |
| 20:24.33 | briglia | hi all. I'm trying to use gconf to set inhibit_blank_mode value to 1 in order to avoid backlight be turned off but seems that it is not working... anyone knows what is wrong? |
| 20:24.46 | ShadowJK | Well it depends on whether it's actually using the gps or not |
| 20:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | Trizt, are you indoors? |
| 20:25.01 | Trizt | yes |
| 20:25.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, um, GPS doesn't generally work well indoors. :) |
| 20:25.20 | ShadowJK | indoors it wouldn't get gps signal, and it would be displaying its best guess based on cellphone signals :) |
| 20:26.18 | timeless_mbp | briglia: why? :) |
| 20:26.32 | Trizt | can't they use stronger signal on the satellites? I guess there is a requirement for a new gps module when the European system is up (2099?) |
| 20:27.14 | briglia | timeless_mbp, I'm testing some gconf + Qt application stuff |
| 20:27.28 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: do you really want an em wave to blanket the entire globe that is strong enough to go through a 5 story building? |
| 20:27.29 | ShadowJK | it's too late to change the satellites in space ;) |
| 20:27.29 | SyncA | trizt did you compare the signal to any standalone gps? |
| 20:28.03 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, thanks for link, I guess someone with read-write access needs to fix it ? |
| 20:28.15 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; it's enough if it gets thru a thin outer wall |
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| 20:28.22 | timeless_mbp | odin_: the first google hit was for github |
| 20:28.33 | SyncA | ShadowJK, it's never to late!.-) |
| 20:28.33 | timeless_mbp | and had a way you could work around the problem locally |
| 20:28.37 | Trizt | SyncA; nope, don't have one, so a bit difficult |
| 20:28.39 | timeless_mbp | roughly "when you get an error message, google it" |
| 20:28.56 | angasuleN810 | timeless_mbp, think how muuch easier it would be to microwave stuff! |
| 20:29.05 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 20:29.14 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, but other GIT repos just work fine... are you saying its a local GIT configuration problem? |
| 20:29.20 | timeless_mbp | but i don't want my popcorn burnt :) |
| 20:29.29 | timeless_mbp | odin_: roughly, yes |
| 20:29.30 | SyncA | trizt, my guess is it will have the same outcome, without cellbased location |
| 20:29.35 | timeless_mbp | i'm also saying i don't work on git |
| 20:29.38 | timeless_mbp | does work on hg |
| 20:29.42 | mikhas | odin_, usually it happens when a remote repo has no master branch (i.e., the default branch) |
| 20:29.51 | ShadowJK | location-test-gui from sdk tools repo also displays estimated accuracy :) |
| 20:30.01 | timeless_mbp | odin_: roughly the repository is configured to be annoying |
| 20:30.05 | mikhas | specify the branch, and it should work |
| 20:30.13 | timeless_mbp | it's like SVN |
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| 20:30.24 | timeless_mbp | lots of branches and no hint about which ones actually matter |
| 20:30.30 | mikhas | trolling much? |
| 20:30.32 | mikhas | =p |
| 20:30.48 | mikhas | not many manage to delete their master branch, only some |
| 20:30.50 | timeless_mbp | mikhas: sorry, i think i've earned the right to curse svn |
| 20:31.01 | timeless_mbp | mikhas: *shrug* google found enough who managed it |
| 20:31.16 | mikhas | oh sure, curse svn as much as you want of course! |
| 20:31.21 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, I'm more interested in getting the repos fixed if it needs to be fixed, I don't work with GIT either (this is the only and first project I run 'git' on) but the other 2 projects cloned out of gitorious.org just like the instruction documents indicated |
| 20:31.23 | timeless_mbp | thanks :) |
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| 20:31.43 | mikhas | odin_, without commit rights this could be hard |
| 20:31.47 | timeless_mbp | odin_: roughly "yes, to fix it properly, someone w/ write access needs to do something" |
| 20:31.57 | timeless_mbp | you can work around it locally |
| 20:32.07 | timeless_mbp | i'd file a bug if i were you |
| 20:32.11 | odin_ | ok, I have emailed someone with read-write access (and owner of modest about it, so...) |
| 20:32.12 | Trizt | quits trolling for today and goes and dreams that next maemo update will be out so he can use his n900 as a phone |
| 20:32.28 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: are you a 3 user? |
| 20:32.34 | Trizt | nods |
| 20:32.39 | timeless_mbp | odin_: seriously, file a bug |
| 20:32.47 | timeless_mbp | stuff like this should be tracked publicly |
| 20:32.54 | mikhas | yeah, not having master is just lame |
| 20:33.02 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, another one, but I've already dont maybe 10 today |
| 20:33.07 | odin_ | s/dont/done |
| 20:33.12 | timeless_mbp | odin_: we reward bug filers |
| 20:33.17 | timeless_mbp | you can get a pretty tshirt |
| 20:33.31 | timeless_mbp | sometimes you might even get early access to software or hardware |
| 20:33.34 | timeless_mbp | or discounts |
| 20:33.38 | timeless_mbp | filing good bugs is good |
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| 20:33.50 | odin_ | I'm more interested in fixing/porting/writing code than filing bugs :) |
| 20:34.10 | mikhas | and if you die while filing a bug you get 72 virgins |
| 20:35.08 | SyncA | thinking of how to die while filing a bug... |
| 20:35.38 | odin_ | I'll give the modest maintainer some more time first, not sure a repo issue needs a bug just yet :) |
| 20:35.47 | timeless_mbp | odin_: it really does |
| 20:35.53 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Has anyone got 3 stars in Angry Birds level 15 yet? |
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| 20:35.55 | timeless_mbp | if only to collect comments and explanations |
| 20:35.56 | simula_ | SyncA, those virgins are other developers |
| 20:36.07 | odin_ | ok then you asked for it |
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| 20:36.49 | gerrymoth | @Gadgetoid_mbp> |
| 20:37.01 | timeless_mbp | mikhas can share his git wisdom once you file the bug :) |
| 20:37.09 | SyncA | simula_, ok, leave it then;-) |
| 20:37.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | gerrymoth: it's a tough level to crack |
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| 20:38.32 | pierlux | Red Pill mode has been removed in 1.2009.44-1 N900 firmware. WHY! :( |
| 20:38.44 | Stskeeps | cos red pill messes devices |
| 20:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 20:38.51 | GeneralAntilles | pierlux, you don't need it. |
| 20:38.53 | Hexagoon | pierlux: cause it isnt needed ? :) |
| 20:38.55 | Stskeeps | konttori_nokia: any special reason your optification first happens under /usr/share/themes/directoryname? |
| 20:38.57 | gerrymoth | i got 3 stars in level 15 of Angry Birds :) |
| 20:39.01 | timeless_mbp | pierlux: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7858#c11 |
| 20:39.01 | povbot` | Bug 7858: cant see 1.2009.44-1 software update |
| 20:39.02 | GeneralAntilles | pierlux, if you think you need it, you're doing things incorrectly. |
| 20:39.05 | ShadowJK | Because it stupid and dangerous and entirely pointless |
| 20:39.11 | timeless_mbp | redpill lets users do stupid things like that |
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| 20:39.24 | pierlux | it was useful to install debs from the UI |
| 20:39.24 | RST38h | pierlux: To prevent you from being ELEET |
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| 20:39.42 | pierlux | installs rootsh |
| 20:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, eL33t, you mean. |
| 20:39.50 | timeless_mbp | pierlux: you shouldn't really be installing debs from the ui |
| 20:39.55 | timeless_mbp | you should be installing them from a repo |
| 20:39.59 | Hexagoon | i always had to correct dependecies using terminal after installing with red pill anyways.. totally useless |
| 20:40.05 | timeless_mbp | if that means creating your own repo and adding it, so be it |
| 20:40.05 | pierlux | timeless_mbp, as a dev I have to tests the software I write :P |
| 20:40.11 | timeless_mbp | pierlux: so do i |
| 20:40.12 | gevaerts | gerrymoth: how? |
| 20:40.14 | timeless_mbp | i maintain 2 repos |
| 20:40.20 | timeless_mbp | one for my customers, one for me to test |
| 20:40.28 | timeless_mbp | actually, that's false |
| 20:40.30 | timeless_mbp | i have ~5 repos |
| 20:40.34 | timeless_mbp | some are for bugs :) |
| 20:40.46 | timeless_mbp | i have a package that includes its own repo :) |
| 20:40.52 | phr | hmm, these guys say there's a new dell coupon code ($469 for n900) but it doesn't seem to work |
| 20:40.54 | odin_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7936 "clone of /modest/wpeditor.git fails with: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout." |
| 20:40.56 | povbot` | Bug 7936: clone of /modest/wpeditor.git fails with: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. |
| 20:41.01 | phr | http://thenokiablog.com/2010/01/13/nokia-n900-469-dell-coupon/ |
| 20:41.12 | gerrymoth | Angry Birds Level 15: Best bet is to go high and bring the birds down in the middle |
| 20:41.14 | frals | as a dev you probably know how to do dpkg -i for installing your own package tbh |
| 20:41.24 | villager | Gadgetoid_mbp: since you asked, I loaded up angry birds and tried level, played it for fun, and somehow scored 3 stars... killed all 3 pigs with 2 shots |
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| 20:41.32 | timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/double-dep-repo/ |
| 20:41.37 | Gadgetoid_mbp | villager: hahaha, damn |
| 20:41.51 | timeless_mbp | is a repo created just for testing a bug :) |
| 20:42.05 | timeless_mbp | well, rather, it's a package that contains a repo for testing a bug |
| 20:42.34 | Stskeeps | wazd! |
| 20:42.41 | timeless_mbp | (it is *not* a repo a normal person should enable, but the point is: it isn't hard to maintain your own repos) |
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| 20:43.46 | ShadowJK | I thought "developers" would find app manager and GUIs in general too slow and cumbersome to incorporate in any build-test cycle when you can just install openssh-server :) |
| 20:44.12 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: for my stuff, i use the gui because i'm working w/ strings |
| 20:44.18 | timeless_mbp | so i need to test as many strings as possible :) |
| 20:44.24 | angasuleN810 | I know I saw the option to stop music if headphones are unplugged, but I can't find it now |
| 20:44.39 | frals | ShadowJK: yeah, ssh is a must for on device testing for me |
| 20:44.43 | timeless_mbp | angasuleN810: in the n810? |
| 20:44.45 | timeless_mbp | that doesn't sound familiar |
| 20:44.49 | timeless_mbp | and i translated it |
| 20:44.55 | timeless_mbp | (not for nokia, on my own) |
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| 20:44.58 | angasuleN810 | yes |
| 20:45.19 | mtnbkr | angasuleN810: heh what about the option to be able to control the volume and or stop/start/ music using buttons on headphone cord? That would be nice |
| 20:45.21 | angasuleN810 | maybe it was specific to an app |
| 20:45.22 | mikhas | odin_, replied |
| 20:45.32 | timeless_mbp | angasuleN810: probably |
| 20:45.38 | timeless_mbp | i don't use third party apps much :) |
| 20:45.57 | timeless_mbp | mtnbkr: those are generally proprietary |
| 20:46.05 | timeless_mbp | and require a large amount of work |
| 20:46.10 | timeless_mbp | you're welcome to look into doing it |
| 20:46.17 | mtnbkr | timeless_mbp: I am referring to the ear buds that came with my N900 |
| 20:46.18 | timeless_mbp | but i think the estimate was 3 months and a couple of engineers |
| 20:46.18 | mtnbkr | :( |
| 20:46.21 | timeless_mbp | not counting testers |
| 20:46.36 | dymaxion | anyone had any problems with USB charging? I've found that if i leave the N900 plugged into the USB port of my computer for ages... eventually it just locks up and becomes really unresponsive...... |
| 20:46.37 | ShadowJK | the AD-54 (iirc) dont even product the signaling noise :/ |
| 20:46.41 | angasuleN810 | timeless, I'd like it for canola :-) |
| 20:46.58 | timeless_mbp | angasuleN810: it requires work from kernel on up |
| 20:47.02 | dymaxion | (i have to shutdown) - can someone do this test for me, and see if they get the same problem... if so I'll file a bug report. |
| 20:47.05 | villager | Gadgetoid_mbp, gerrymoth: I scored 3 stars by going head-on, though I guess it was mostly luck... first scatter-shot against the first pillar brought it crashing down to the left, and also killed the pig behind it somehow... then the second scatter-shot hit both the remaining two pigs |
| 20:47.07 | mtnbkr | dymaxion: sometimes when I plug in th eusb nothing happens. I need to unplug and re-plug to make sure that charging starts |
| 20:47.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | villager: Maybe I'm trying too hard! |
| 20:47.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | My daughter got through the first 6-7 levels with blind luck |
| 20:47.52 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 20:48.02 | timeless_mbp | Gadgetoid_mbp: i take it you've purchased more? |
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| 20:48.17 | timeless_mbp | did she lose interest, or will she play again? |
| 20:48.17 | dymaxion | 1) plug usb cable into linux pc, 2) on N900 dismiss the pop up window (selecting neither button) 3) in linux desktop ignore / close any prompts about media 4) leave it plugged in for 15mins+ 5) then try to slide open the N900 or slide lock on side... |
| 20:48.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless_mbp: nah, I bought the whole game on the iPhone for 59p |
| 20:48.28 | angasuleN810 | timeless_mbp, bummer, it'd be nice |
| 20:48.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And she's addicted to it |
| 20:48.46 | dymaxion | I'm not sure if it's one particular app i've installed causing this problem... or somethign more core to the maemo OS and USB charging |
| 20:48.57 | nhg | Can someone please tell me what's the equivalent for the "synaptics package manager" in Ubuntu for Maemo? |
| 20:49.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I couldn't wrench my phone off her, so I had to grab it onto both iPhones... we were all sat playing it earlier... dangerously good game |
| 20:49.11 | timeless_mbp | nhg: eh? |
| 20:49.21 | timeless_mbp | hildon-application-manager aka HAM |
| 20:49.21 | dymaxion | running top shows nothign using much cpu (at most 10%), but as soon I as hit any maemo buttons or menus, it grinds... |
| 20:49.27 | angasuleN810 | nethack! |
| 20:49.35 | mtnbkr | dymaxion: I do this all the time with my N900 (and Gentoo Linux machine) and phone never hangs/loks as you describe |
| 20:49.39 | timeless_mbp | aka 'app. manager' or 'app manager' or 'Add/Remove' depending on your localization |
| 20:49.48 | timeless_mbp | unless you mean "a more powerful one" |
| 20:49.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | HAHAHHAHA the tower on the left just wobbles for about 30 seconds before FINALLY collapsing and scoring me my 3 stars |
| 20:49.55 | timeless_mbp | in which case "more powerful will break things" |
| 20:50.05 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Just 18 and 21 to go now |
| 20:50.25 | timeless_mbp | Gadgetoid_mbp: you can play levels out of order? |
| 20:50.36 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I've completed them all now, just trying to get 3 star ratings |
| 20:50.38 | angasuleN810 | what does mbp stand for? my beautiful pony? |
| 20:50.44 | timeless_mbp | MacBook Pro |
| 20:50.52 | GeneralAntilles | goes down for a software update. |
| 20:50.55 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, they're beautiful |
| 20:51.10 | dymaxion | mtnbkr, when you do that... is your N900 connected to any wireless networks? |
| 20:51.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I hate level 18 |
| 20:51.24 | mtnbkr | dymaxion: yes. |
| 20:51.35 | timeless_mbp | feels like turning on elizabot for Gadgetoid_mbp |
| 20:51.37 | dymaxion | I get the feeling there's somethign wrong with the network stack or network manager... because I just terminated my wifi connection and the N900 suddenly became responsive again |
| 20:51.42 | timeless_mbp | "What makes you feel this way?" |
| 20:51.47 | Stskeeps | is debian/optify enabled on autobuilder these days? |
| 20:51.53 | gevaerts | spent ages on 18 |
| 20:51.53 | Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless_mbp: Hahahahahaha, would probably chat to it all day |
| 20:51.56 | nhg | timeless_mbp: couldn't get the app manager to work yet on our setup...possibly due to proxy not being setup....manually installing packages from maemo.org cause dependency issues. |
| 20:52.02 | dymaxion | mtnbkr, I'm connecting however not to a standard router... an ad-hoc WEP network served from my laptop |
| 20:52.04 | gevaerts | I do have 3 stars there though :) |
| 20:52.15 | dymaxion | perhaps there'sa bug there somewhere... |
| 20:52.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | gevaerts: it's evil, evil |
| 20:52.26 | timeless_mbp | nhg: are you on an n900 or using the sdk? |
| 20:52.28 | dymaxion | mtnbkr, could you try doing the same on your gentoo box? thank,s |
| 20:52.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I've managed to 3 star most levels with one shot, I wish it logged which ones though |
| 20:52.33 | mtnbkr | dymaxion: my wifi is WRT54GL running dd-wrt w/WPA |
| 20:52.38 | nhg | timeless_mbp: omapzoom |
| 20:53.05 | dymaxion | mtnbkr, perhaps it's specific to WEP and ad-hoc networks - PC to PC |
| 20:53.16 | timeless_mbp | interesting |
| 20:53.24 | lupine_85 | is confuzzled by the choice of software in the repos |
| 20:53.29 | mtnbkr | dymaxion: generally my N900 "just works" but I have seen times when it WILL NOT connect to Wifi, not Edge to get IP address. I need to power off and restart. This happens sometimes... |
| 20:53.31 | lupine_85 | wget yes, screen no |
| 20:53.35 | timeless_mbp | nhg: if i were you, i'd ask for help from the #mer people |
| 20:53.44 | nhg | ok thx |
| 20:53.48 | woglinde | ad-hoc mode and filetransfer is hell |
| 20:54.00 | mtnbkr | s/not Edge/NOR Edge/ |
| 20:54.10 | RST38h | "Microsoft predicts Linux will fail mobile 'quality' test" |
| 20:54.13 | RST38h | ROTFLs |
| 20:54.27 | mtnbkr | wow this infobot is cool (and smart) |
| 20:54.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Microsoft failed the mobile quality test |
| 20:54.34 | RST38h | Coming from a company that subjects us to WinMobile... |
| 20:54.35 | dymaxion | 's N900 just works apart from this hanging issue.... (the connection is fine... ) nothing wrongn with connecting to the ad-hoc wep wifi network... just after a while.... when the N900 sleeps... it then grinds on wake up |
| 20:55.00 | Gadgetoid_mbp | RST38h: they don't do much of that anymore |
| 20:55.00 | mtnbkr | RST38h: I have Ignored ANYTHING microsoft has said since 1991 - seriously. Nothing but lies and FUD |
| 20:55.33 | angasuleN810 | wasn't it lies and FUD before too? :-P |
| 20:55.34 | dymaxion | would love another N900 to test his theory.... will test more specifically with his home wifi router as soon as he leaves office :-/ |
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| 20:55.51 | angasuleN810 | letter to hobbiests, etc |
| 20:55.52 | gevaerts | now has 3 stars on 15 âº/ |
| 20:56.05 | mtnbkr | angasuleN810: LOL! Of course! Its just that I started ignoring them since '91 heh |
| 20:56.12 | angasuleN810 | heh |
| 20:56.35 | dymaxion | saw a friend's HTC HD2 the other day... wow what a big screen and such a slim phone! (wishes the N900 was more that sort of size + keyboard) |
| 20:56.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Arrrghh! 46k on 18 and still no 3 star, need to perfectly 4 shot it |
| 20:56.52 | user__ | ah my network connection the in the hotel is crap |
| 20:57.01 | mtnbkr | dymaxion: ask him if he can multitask ;) |
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| 20:57.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ah, just perfectly four shot it |
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| 20:57.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | :D |
| 20:57.36 | angasuleN810 | I'm becoming a master of bobbly volley |
| 20:58.05 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: what game are you referring to? and of course, it is avail for me to try on N900? |
| 20:58.16 | dymaxion | mtnbkr, he showed me his phone switching between apps... and pulled up a windows task manager... hmmm |
| 20:58.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | mtnbkr: Angry Birds from the Ovi Store |
| 20:58.55 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: D/Ling now. lol |
| 20:59.18 | angasuleN810 | what's the ovi store exactly? paid repo? |
| 20:59.27 | |R | Gadgetoid_mbp: haha, i finished all levels but now taking a break before trying to 3 stars them all :P |
| 20:59.34 | mtnbkr | angasuleN810: paid and free... Seems mostly some free stuff up there now |
| 20:59.37 | Gadgetoid_mbp | No way, 73800 in the final level and no 3 star rating :( |
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| 21:00.07 | gevaerts | Gadgetoid_mbp: I have 75180 and 3 stars, so you're close |
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| 21:01.54 | lupine_85 | hmm, no ruby interpretor? |
| 21:02.04 | lupine_85 | interpreter |
| 21:02.06 | lupine_85 | stupid words |
| 21:02.21 | zash | interprinator |
| 21:02.29 | inz | inTERMINATOR! |
| 21:02.42 | lupine_85 | can't see it being too hard to compile though |
| 21:02.50 | lupine_85 | might even do rubinius instead |
| 21:04.38 | timeless_mbp | hi inz |
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| 21:06.26 | mikhas | interpredator? |
| 21:06.33 | ifreq | iPredator |
| 21:06.41 | mikhas | I need that app! |
| 21:06.47 | zash | let's just call it the RUBYNATOR |
| 21:06.48 | mikhas | err producht err whatever |
| 21:10.39 | inz | timeless, hi |
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| 21:13.23 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: heh angry birds is pretty funny. :) |
| 21:13.49 | SpeedEvil | Is the level pack available still? |
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| 21:17.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | no SpeedEvil |
| 21:17.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's been pulled temporarily, due to a bug where you could apt-get install it for free |
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| 21:18.20 | gevaerts | still doesn't really understand how that bug could happen |
| 21:19.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | T'was a bit fail |
| 21:19.44 | Stskeeps | a bit? |
| 21:19.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:19.46 | SpeedEvil | is about played out. |
| 21:19.58 | SpeedEvil | On the ~4th play through - trying to get high scores. |
| 21:20.11 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm not stopping 'til I've got 3 stars in the final level |
| 21:20.22 | SpeedEvil | And it's getting annoying as pretty much the only way to improve is fluking. |
| 21:20.24 | SpeedEvil | 21? |
| 21:20.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Then I'm gonna break out my iPhone and do it all over again |
| 21:20.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah, it's true SpeedEvil... there's very little skill involved |
| 21:21.03 | SpeedEvil | 59840 on last. |
| 21:21.05 | Gadgetoid_mbp | A certain amount of strategy gets you so far, but 3 stars just seems to be the product of a fluke |
| 21:21.26 | SpeedEvil | There are some where there are non-obvious 'easy' ways to get 3 |
| 21:21.36 | t7g__ | We talking about the birds? |
| 21:21.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | t7g__: yeah |
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| 21:21.53 | SpeedEvil | 10 3 stars so far |
| 21:21.57 | t7g__ | Really, we really need to make an open sourced version and call it Irate Penguins |
| 21:22.05 | t7g__ | Include level editor |
| 21:22.10 | Gadgetoid_mbp | t7g__: I'm planning that |
| 21:22.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | For the Pandora though |
| 21:22.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Including versus mode |
| 21:22.21 | Stskeeps | t7g__: honestly i think we should applaud the makers of it though |
| 21:22.28 | pronto | oh man this is awesome, docs.google.com works o= |
| 21:22.29 | SpeedEvil | The *lua files look fairly decodable |
| 21:22.31 | SpeedEvil | but, yes. |
| 21:22.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | With pre-game level editor to build forts |
| 21:22.32 | t7g__ | I do,and I will buy the level pack if they ever put it back |
| 21:22.47 | SpeedEvil | We need to encourage paid-for-apps on the n900. |
| 21:22.53 | SpeedEvil | Though of course free too. |
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| 21:23.37 | mikhas | free-to-pay-for-apps |
| 21:23.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hopefully we'll continue to get only the good titles from the iPhone, wouldn't that be lovely |
| 21:23.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | iPhone app store is packed with dross |
| 21:23.45 | gevaerts | mikhas: we had those! |
| 21:24.10 | t7g_ | Gadgetoid_mbp, did you see anything asking you what language you're doing it in before I timed out? |
| 21:24.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | nope |
| 21:24.40 | svanheulen | Is there a way to get Chinese input support on the N900? I see lots of language files in the repositories but I just need a way to type in Chinese. |
| 21:24.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I have all the game programming experience of a plush pedo bear |
| 21:25.09 | t7g_ | Well, I'd like to know, what language are you going to do the Pandora clone in? I imagine people on any platform wouldn't mind playing it. |
| 21:25.37 | t7g_ | and I agree, fort building would be great at the start for versus, would be an entirely different and awesome game. |
| 21:26.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | t7g_: definitely! |
| 21:26.38 | SpeedEvil | Multiplayer birds! |
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| 21:26.49 | SpeedEvil | You're given a given number of blocks and stuff. |
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| 21:27.11 | SpeedEvil | And have to make a structure that you can easily destroy, but that others cannot |
| 21:27.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: exactly that, and you will be able to create arbitrarily sized walls in a selection of materials |
| 21:27.54 | SpeedEvil | The ideal level is one that you utterly fail at until you get the trick, when you can do it most of the time |
| 21:28.07 | t7g_ | Yeah I always figured that the block sizes and types were just specified arbirarily |
| 21:28.26 | svanheulen | so lots of work with childrens games? |
| 21:28.41 | t7g_ | A fellow on the forums who was talking about making a level editor for the game itself said the levels were scripted in lua |
| 21:30.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I think it would be a great project for N900/Pandora and it definitely seems to be garnering a lot of interest |
| 21:30.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The idea of versus fort building is awesome, as that whole concept doubles as a level editor |
| 21:30.32 | t7g_ | I've been looking for a simple yet addictive game to spend time refining some of my other programming skills in |
| 21:30.54 | gevaerts | The levels seem to be in lua bytecode |
| 21:31.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I wonder if I should throw up a page or a forum post somewhere outlining it |
| 21:31.05 | pronto | http://pronto185.com/n900/screens/n900-google-docs.png google docs on n900 o= |
| 21:31.37 | Stskeeps | Gadgetoid_mbp: technically pandora could feed off ovi store. |
| 21:31.37 | t7g_ | Well the original AngryBirds could never really live up to what I think we'd all like to do with the concept. |
| 21:31.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | t7g_: same with a lot of games |
| 21:32.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I hate to undermine such an awesome title, but a versus tower defence style version just begs to be made |
| 21:32.20 | t7g_ | I agree, but at least with other games you get a level editor. The non-inclusion of it just makes people want to clone it more. |
| 21:32.32 | t7g_ | I'd pay 15-20$ for a level editor |
| 21:32.35 | Gadgetoid_mbp | built the most robust fort you can, save it, and challenge other players to knock it down before you can demolish theirs |
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| 21:33.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Doesn't even need to have both players on screen at the same time, unless you want to include things that deflect enemy birds back to their fort and other strategic nonsense |
| 21:34.02 | t7g_ | You could turn base it and do it via e-mail or sms |
| 21:34.25 | t7g_ | Or some medium that isn't exactly real-time |
| 21:34.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You can just swap times |
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| 21:37.11 | Gadgetoid_mbp | With a good online scoreboard/level swapping system... drool |
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| 21:37.26 | LuciusMare | is there a boinc client for maemo? |
| 21:38.51 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, my thumbs are really confused tapping through the app menu now. |
| 21:39.35 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Pick an app, drag it, and let it ping off onto a selected virtual desktop |
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| 21:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, feel like killing quips? |
| 21:41.36 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 21:41.38 | timeless_mbp | are they bad? |
| 21:41.43 | timeless_mbp | or specific quips |
| 21:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, specific ones that smell more like spam. https://bugs.maemo.org/quips.cgi?action=show |
| 21:42.04 | GeneralAntilles | "Gmail for N900â¦Please?" |
| 21:42.04 | Arkenoi | so does prelink really help speeding up application load? did you try? |
| 21:42.24 | GeneralAntilles | Also: "Sir, your history as an iphone user disqualifies you from owning a Maemo device. If you apply for a brain transplant, we are authorised to let you to fill out an appeal form." |
| 21:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | Though funny, it's probably not appropriate. |
| 21:42.49 | timeless_mbp | the gmail one is the last one |
| 21:42.55 | timeless_mbp | oh can you see them in order? |
| 21:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's the last one here. |
| 21:43.23 | timeless_mbp | 0 quips approved and 2 quips unapproved |
| 21:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
| 21:44.10 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, those two quippers are not repeat contributors |
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| 21:44.28 | Arkenoi | haha, fancy icons in the app manager |
| 21:44.37 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: why is that funny? |
| 21:45.27 | xorAxAx | oh oh |
| 21:45.33 | xorAxAx | i need no-lifeguard-reset |
| 21:45.34 | Arkenoi | not really, just different from ascetic view i got familliar with |
| 21:45.52 | xorAxAx | and hope that i can trouble shoot with it |
| 21:48.17 | bionoid | How can I power off the wlan completely? (N900) |
| 21:48.31 | Stskeeps | offline mode |
| 21:48.52 | Arkenoi | what is that 3d format capsule shows, are there more models someplace? |
| 21:49.20 | bionoid | Stskeeps: But that also kills packet data :( |
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| 21:52.29 | xorAxAx | does anyone know how i can debug a quitting hildon-desktop? |
| 21:52.51 | GeneralAntilles | bionoid, turn of automatic search? |
| 21:53.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | http://pandorawiki.org/Mogsvdogs good a place as any to start, I guess |
| 21:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | bionoid, alternative option: I think there's a statusarea applet that will let you switch the cellular radio and the WiFi radio on/off independently. |
| 21:53.28 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: any idea? |
| 21:53.42 | timeless_mbp | you mean it's dying? |
| 21:53.45 | xorAxAx | yes |
| 21:53.50 | timeless_mbp | well um |
| 21:53.55 | timeless_mbp | you could at least install crash-reporter |
| 21:53.55 | xorAxAx | syslogd? |
| 21:54.00 | timeless_mbp | and send a crash back to nokia |
| 21:54.07 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, sysklogd is my first step |
| 21:54.16 | timeless_mbp | keep in mind that it's bad for battery/storage |
| 21:54.40 | mrmg_ | o/ |
| 21:54.44 | mrmg_ | hi guys |
| 21:55.34 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: crash-reporter will handle my case as soon as hildon-desktop dies? |
| 21:55.51 | xorAxAx | how can i manually start hildon-desktop? just by running it? |
| 21:55.53 | timeless_mbp | well um, i sure hope so |
| 21:56.03 | timeless_mbp | hildon-desktop is supposed to respawn on its own |
| 21:56.05 | bionoid | GeneralAntilles: I looked for one, but I'll look again ;-) |
| 21:56.10 | timeless_mbp | (there's a lifeguard) |
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| 21:56.45 | xorAxAx | well, i saw how it was spawning :) |
| 21:56.53 | xorAxAx | and then it stopped fortunately |
| 21:57.01 | xorAxAx | (am in RD mode currently) |
| 21:57.38 | xorAxAx | wow |
| 21:57.43 | xorAxAx | i started it manually and it didnt crash |
| 21:57.52 | xorAxAx | fun. |
| 21:58.17 | Stskeeps | i'm still wondering how the hell my n900 kept alive when i had pulled the battery |
| 21:58.20 | Stskeeps | (it was on charger) |
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| 21:59.58 | xorAxAx | oops, /usr is missing :) |
| 22:00.05 | xorAxAx | ruskie!!1111 |
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| 22:00.59 | xorAxAx | certainly, /usr is overrated. i wonder why it works nevertheless |
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| 22:01.06 | xorAxAx | ah, no, /usr is there |
| 22:01.13 | mtd | anyone with an n900 used apt-get dist-upgrade and have the new Application Manager but still have Settings > General > About Product reporting version 1.2009.42-11 ? |
| 22:01.15 | xorAxAx | but my vim is gone |
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| 22:01.33 | woglinde | mtd read the maemo-dev list |
| 22:01.38 | woglinde | was discussed there |
| 22:01.45 | xorAxAx | so /home is missing |
| 22:01.56 | woglinde | you need maemo-blalfoof-osso-pr package |
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| 22:02.43 | xorAxAx | ok, i think i know where i fubared it |
| 22:03.57 | mtd | woglinde: thanks |
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| 22:05.29 | Stskeeps | oh dear, vodafone firmware disallows access to extras/extras-devel? :P |
| 22:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | ohrly? |
| 22:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | Can you flash regular firmware? |
| 22:05.50 | wazd | nowai :D |
| 22:05.51 | Stskeeps | seemingily |
| 22:06.04 | xorAxAx | ruskie!!1111 |
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| 22:06.14 | xorAxAx | ruskie: may it be the case that you forget to mount /home? |
| 22:06.27 | wazd | how did they do that? :) |
| 22:06.31 | xorAxAx | or is that done by default code? |
| 22:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, source? |
| 22:06.38 | frals | Stskeeps: any link? |
| 22:06.55 | dymaxion | ....interesting.... runnign apt-get upgrade shows 16 packages to be updated requiring 53.4 Mb of data, and then bombs out... not enough disk space in /var/cache/apt/archives... HOWEVER when I use the application manager and click [update] is shows that nothing is avaailable for update... odd |
| 22:06.56 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, this is going to sound stupid, but a talk post |
| 22:07.00 | Stskeeps | so the source may not be reliable. |
| 22:07.15 | Stskeeps | but they're also not getting PR1.0.1 it seems on variant 205 |
| 22:07.19 | wazd | Stskeeps: "Fraps or never happened" :) |
| 22:07.26 | w00t | Stskeeps: christ. |
| 22:07.34 | gevaerts | dymaxion: the application manager gives an alternate archive location to apt-get |
| 22:07.43 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, link? |
| 22:07.43 | Stskeeps | some also claims it disables VoIP and such |
| 22:07.53 | xorAxAx | yippee, runs again, timeless_mbp |
| 22:07.57 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40296 is an interesting read |
| 22:08.01 | xorAxAx | curious what the problem was? :) |
| 22:08.12 | dymaxion | gevaerts, so are there really 16 packages ready for upgrade? or is it that the local /var/cache is out of date do you think? |
| 22:08.24 | wazd | what's the point of selling n900 and limiting it as freaking s40 device? :) |
| 22:08.48 | wazd | or even s30 :P |
| 22:08.54 | Stskeeps | wazd: so vodafone executives can snort more cocaine |
| 22:09.06 | gevaerts | dymaxion: the contents of /var/cache shouldn't matter there |
| 22:09.17 | wazd | Stskeeps: ah, that makes sense :) |
| 22:09.26 | dymaxion | so still the app manager is misreporting ... there should be 16 packages for upgrade... sigh... |
| 22:09.33 | Stskeeps | at least n900 is rebrandable :P |
| 22:09.58 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: even threw kathy into a fit, http://revdkathy.livejournal.com/59943.html |
| 22:10.01 | dymaxion | thanks gevaerts .... off home.. i'll sort it when I'm back.. . goodnight all |
| 22:10.40 | Tester | Stskeeps: whats variant 205 ? |
| 22:10.59 | Stskeeps | Tester: vodafone UK variant i think |
| 22:11.36 | wazd | "Over 500 new icons"... damn, how do they do that :( |
| 22:11.43 | Tester | right |
| 22:11.51 | andre__ | yes, 205 = UK |
| 22:12.01 | frals | wow, that vodafone stuff... speechless |
| 22:12.08 | Tester | I though 203 was plain UK |
| 22:12.36 | andre__ | Tester, vodafone probably isn't plain enough |
| 22:12.43 | Tester | right |
| 22:13.28 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahahaha two men arrested for unsuccessfully driving a car down a frozen canal! |
| 22:14.15 | Caesium | saw that on the news, I don't get what they were arrested for? stupidity? :D |
| 22:14.40 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Apparently so... stupidity should be a crime and it wastes so much time |
| 22:15.14 | frals | anyone heard of a way to make the n900 connect to only one of the defined GPRS IAPs? ie, set it to autoconnect to anything but only use one of the GPRS IAPs? |
| 22:15.52 | Stskeeps | either way, hey, good we can flash the darn things to freedom lovin' maemo versions |
| 22:15.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 22:22.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | is still trying to 3 star level 21 |
| 22:23.05 | yuizy | :D |
| 22:25.19 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: heh I can't seem to get past level 10 |
| 22:25.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | mtnbkr: you'll fluke your way through eventually :D |
| 22:25.58 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: heh |
| 22:26.04 | mtnbkr | cute game actually |
| 22:26.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Tap again to explode the birds, by the way |
| 22:26.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | A |
| 22:26.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | n |
| 22:26.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | d |
| 22:26.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | |
| 22:26.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | |
| 22:26.10 | Gadgetoid_mbp | DOH! |
| 22:26.14 | SpeedEvil | 10 is a bit of a bitch |
| 22:26.20 | mtnbkr | kinda looks feels and sound a LOT like Worms |
| 22:26.21 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And do it again at the last minute for the best penetrative power |
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| 22:26.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | concentrates the birds on one small target |
| 22:26.40 | MaemohammadAG | needs the level packs asap! |
| 22:26.48 | SpeedEvil | too. |
| 22:26.51 | pupnik | that company has some great talent |
| 22:26.58 | Gadgetoid_mbp | iPhone version has over 60 levels |
| 22:27.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Not sure what the level pack gives on the N900, but I guess it's the same? |
| 22:27.12 | Gadgetoid_mbp | All 3 worls |
| 22:27.39 | MaemohammadAG | i think the level packs were online for some time |
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| 22:27.57 | gevaerts | the level pack gives you worlds 2 and 3, so you get 63 levels in total |
| 22:27.59 | MaemohammadAG | but nokia pulled down all paid stuff cause it was installable using apt-get |
| 22:28.03 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: oh cool... scroll up/down on screen zooms scene in/out |
| 22:28.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | mtnbkr: ironically that feels so much smoother than the iPhone's overrated pinch zooming |
| 22:29.18 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: I can't seem to "tap to make the bird explode" they seem to 'splode when they are "done" (ie: when they decide) lol |
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| 22:29.52 | MaemohammadAG | lol just noticed i can zoom out |
| 22:29.58 | Gadgetoid_mbp | mtnbkr: you can only do that whilst they are in flight |
| 22:29.59 | SpeedEvil | Can you shuffle bird order? |
| 22:30.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's like a cluster bomb |
| 22:30.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: I don't think so |
| 22:30.22 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: AH! cool! |
| 22:30.23 | MaemohammadAG | Gadgetoid_mbp, i can doing w/o launching them |
| 22:30.33 | mtnbkr | THAT will help with level 10 heh |
| 22:30.34 | MaemohammadAG | oh nvm |
| 22:31.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Aye mtnbkr, explode them as close to the structure as possible for epic win |
| 22:31.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | MAXIMUM DAMAGE!!! |
| 22:31.35 | SpeedEvil | well - it depends - a more spread out can give more destruction on light structures |
| 22:31.48 | pronto | lol maemo browswer gets a 94/100 on the acid3 test, thats really good |
| 22:32.04 | xorAxAx | why dont i have bounce evolution installed? |
| 22:32.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah because acid3 is absolutely the measure for real world performance :D |
| 22:32.56 | slonopotamus | solved all angry birds levels :( |
| 22:32.57 | pronto | just neat |
| 22:32.58 | lupine_85 | conformance is everything |
| 22:33.07 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: with three stars? |
| 22:33.09 | mtnbkr | is waiting for IE8 on maemo |
| 22:33.14 | mtnbkr | lol |
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| 22:33.18 | lupine_85 | :S |
| 22:33.18 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, not yet :) |
| 22:33.21 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Damn, my batery ran out |
| 22:33.23 | pronto | mtnbkr: wait for winehq first lol |
| 22:33.28 | pronto | thats a scary thought |
| 22:33.48 | chem|st | re |
| 22:33.58 | mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: cleared 10 with only 1 star though |
| 22:34.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | At least this game is giving me full loadcycles on my battery |
| 22:34.50 | pillar | 2 stars for me on level 10, yea :) |
| 22:34.59 | MaemohammadAG | 3 here :p |
| 22:35.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I've got 3 on everything but level 21, it's driving me nuts |
| 22:35.28 | pillar | whoa up/down zoom is very smooth |
| 22:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | I can't believe Nokia thought that hidding packages from h-a-m was a good way to enforce payment. |
| 22:35.40 | mtnbkr | pillar: yep and pretty cool too... |
| 22:35.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | That's 1-20, as I haven't got the pack |
| 22:35.58 | fnordianslip | am i right in thinking that users with Windows PCs get prompted to reflash their device by some Nokia utility and may end up doing that instead of of installing updates with HAM? |
| 22:35.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | GeneralAntilles: hahahahaha *facepalm* |
| 22:36.11 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Security through obscurity, they call it |
| 22:36.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I think they should have left it that way and got a measure for how many people pay up |
| 22:36.44 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i remember thinking to myself hearing about it "hmm, they couldn't have been this stupid" |
| 22:36.57 | fnordianslip | funny though :) |
| 22:37.20 | slonopotamus | fnordianslip, looks like that. and they download ~160 megs, no? |
| 22:37.43 | xorAxAx | ruskie: does SSU still work with your modest package installed? |
| 22:37.44 | fnordianslip | slonopotamus: somethings not right there then either, is it? |
| 22:38.00 | slonopotamus | fnordianslip, it's nokia... |
| 22:38.04 | slonopotamus | :P |
| 22:38.05 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: whoever came up with the idea to put all ovi apps (including paid) should be hit hard with a cluebat though |
| 22:38.18 | pillar | level 15 seems hard for me |
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| 22:38.55 | slonopotamus | pillar, you should say 1-15 (or 2-15 or 3-15). otherwise you're ambigious. |
| 22:38.57 | fnordianslip | the pig in the helmet on level 21 is a git |
| 22:39.14 | pillar | slonopotamus oh true, meant 1-15 |
| 22:39.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | fnordianslip: Haha, no shit :D |
| 22:39.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I must be on my 100th try for 3 stars now on 1-21 |
| 22:39.58 | slonopotamus | pillar, yeah, i passed it with just one star |
| 22:40.27 | fnordianslip | are there more bird varieties in the other maps? |
| 22:41.13 | slonopotamus | fnordianslip, black, yellow, red, blue. |
| 22:41.20 | fnordianslip | i was too late to go on a apt-get fuelled shop-lifting spree |
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| 22:41.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ach I wonder if I should just move on to world 2 on ze iPhone, have to re-complete all the levels fro 8 through 21 first though, argh |
| 22:41.59 | ph1l | jebba, just want to say thanks for your great informations on your wiki! |
| 22:42.31 | fnordianslip | what do the black birds do? |
| 22:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Level 8 is evil - It's impossible to 3-star without a horrible fluke |
| 22:43.05 | SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: you mean the small grey ones? |
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| 22:43.31 | fnordianslip | i only remember the blue, red and yellow ones |
| 22:43.32 | SpeedEvil | 21 also |
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| 22:43.46 | MaemohammadAG | can't 3 star 12 |
| 22:43.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | My aim is getting disgustingly good |
| 22:43.59 | slonopotamus | argh... 1-4 with one shot? seems impossible |
| 22:44.02 | SpeedEvil | 12 is hard. |
| 22:44.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | slonopotamus: amazing what you can one shot! |
| 22:44.18 | fnordianslip | i finished it before realising you could zoom in/out |
| 22:44.20 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: I can't do 3 - done 124 |
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| 22:44.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | redoing 1-9 now |
| 22:45.06 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Boo, took all 4 shots |
| 22:45.10 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, 1-3 is easy. just hit big ball. |
| 22:45.35 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if you can get a low power shot - on 3 - to bounce off the hill - hit the right-hand side of the tall pillar - and do dominos |
| 22:45.47 | SpeedEvil | err - 2 - not 3 |
| 22:45.47 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 22:45.54 | slonopotamus | stop that |
| 22:46.01 | slonopotamus | say full level number |
| 22:46.20 | SpeedEvil | ooh |
| 22:46.22 | SpeedEvil | fluky |
| 22:46.28 | SpeedEvil | first try - and yes - you can |
| 22:46.34 | slonopotamus | 1-2? |
| 22:46.39 | SpeedEvil | I only have pack 1 |
| 22:46.43 | SpeedEvil | err the defaults |
| 22:46.48 | MaemohammadAG | Level pack is not available at the moment due to Ovi Store technical problems. Sorry for the inconvenience! |
| 22:47.14 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, so everyone else does :) |
| 22:47.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Damn, 2-shot 11 this time |
| 22:47.46 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, if you completed all 21, you can choose big 2 button :P |
| 22:47.46 | Gadgetoid_mbp | 1-11 |
| 22:48.00 | SpeedEvil | big 2? |
| 22:48.06 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 22:48.11 | slonopotamus | 1-1 in one shot! |
| 22:48.16 | Gadgetoid_mbp | 2 shot 1-12, boo |
| 22:48.16 | slonopotamus | 1-11 |
| 22:48.34 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, level selection screen, top buttons. |
| 22:49.34 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: just says '1' here |
| 22:49.57 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, and two other? |
| 22:50.17 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: I see no 2 at all |
| 22:50.30 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: clicking on the 1 does nothing |
| 22:50.48 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, apt-get install angrybirds-levelpack1 |
| 22:50.48 | slonopotamus | :P |
| 22:50.56 | MaemohammadAG | black birds explode |
| 22:50.58 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: that hole was fixed |
| 22:51.02 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: you can't do that |
| 22:51.04 | slonopotamus | err... |
| 22:51.08 | slonopotamus | i did that |
| 22:51.12 | slonopotamus | sorry |
| 22:51.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Gah, 1-14... replaying them isn't as fun |
| 22:51.56 | MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, did you reboot or do an apt-get clean? |
| 22:52.05 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning - you can't do it technically - nor manually |
| 22:52.08 | MaemohammadAG | after doing it |
| 22:52.11 | SpeedEvil | err - morally |
| 22:53.31 | slonopotamus | i have deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 22:54.08 | gevaerts | can |
| 22:54.12 | lardman|home | back to questions about plotting graphs in Python, what's currently available other than DIY like lybniz? |
| 22:54.20 | gevaerts | t figure out how to do 1-3 for 3 stars |
| 22:54.27 | gevaerts | no, 1-5 |
| 22:54.56 | SpeedEvil | 5 I've only gotten 2 on. |
| 22:55.17 | SpeedEvil | I think you have to fluke it |
| 22:55.33 | MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, really? |
| 22:55.39 | SpeedEvil | The rock will almost fall right sometimes if you cmash the top level |
| 22:55.50 | angasule | I can confirm that the advanced power statusbar applet leaks like a drunk elephant |
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| 22:56.51 | slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, yep :/ |
| 22:57.24 | MaemohammadAG | can i have it :p |
| 22:57.24 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Woo, back on 1-21 now, whee |
| 22:57.35 | MaemohammadAG | would it be considered piracy btw? |
| 22:57.48 | MaemohammadAG | cause i'm not a big fan of it |
| 22:58.12 | ds3 | wouldn't gnuplot be a better graphing tool then python? |
| 22:58.42 | slonopotamus | who knows... |
| 22:59.08 | lardman|home | ds3: I would like interactive graphs |
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| 22:59.30 | lardman|home | ds3: matplotlib would be ideal, but I had a look at compiling it and it has lots of deps that are not met |
| 23:00.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yay 2-x now |
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| 23:04.56 | chem|st | lardman|home: what do you mean with interactive? |
| 23:05.25 | lardman|home | well I'd like to at least be able to embed it as a widget and have buttons, etc. on the side |
| 23:05.54 | chem|st | that sounds like my script-widget idea |
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| 23:05.57 | lardman|home | I didn't have the will power to sort out the Octave debianisation stuff, otherwise I would have just settled for that |
| 23:06.09 | lardman|home | chem|st: what's your idea then? |
| 23:06.44 | chem|st | I setup a brainstorm for creating a widget-creating program for scripting |
| 23:06.56 | lardman|home | hmm |
| 23:06.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ooooh, 2-1... a challenge, ish... wubb! |
| 23:07.00 | chem|st | where you can have input at the widget for the script |
| 23:07.05 | lardman|home | no, I just want a graph widget, nothing more |
| 23:07.15 | chem|st | thats the idea friend |
| 23:07.45 | lardman|home | widget creating program for scripting? |
| 23:07.55 | chem|st | you have a script-widget showing gnuplots output and updating it in userset delay |
| 23:08.42 | lardman|home | oh I see, use gnuplot |
| 23:08.45 | gevaerts | 3 stars on 1-5 \âº/ |
| 23:09.03 | chem|st | well you may use anything you can grab the output from |
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| 23:09.24 | Anon220 | hey |
| 23:09.34 | Anon220 | whats this |
| 23:09.50 | chem|st | Anon220: ? |
| 23:09.52 | pupnik | Jeffrey Tucker's 4 year old asked him "Do you remember what it was like before the internet?" |
| 23:09.56 | pupnik | "How did you FIND OUT stuff??" |
| 23:10.00 | lardman|home | chem|st: sounds interesting, but I'd just like something that works and is easy tbh |
| 23:10.28 | Anon220 | what is this room about |
| 23:10.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Anon220: sex |
| 23:10.36 | chem|st | there is nothing easier than gnuplot I know... |
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| 23:10.43 | Anon220 | ok |
| 23:10.44 | pupnik | world domination now |
| 23:10.53 | lardman|home | chem|st: thro Python though |
| 23:10.54 | chem|st | Gadgetoid_mbp: if you count fisting... yes sex |
| 23:11.12 | gevaerts | doesn't see a room |
| 23:11.12 | Anon220 | so does anybody know some techniques |
| 23:11.32 | chem|st | Anon220: I know Shaolin Kung-Fu! |
| 23:11.40 | Anon220 | no you don't |
| 23:12.06 | chem|st | you would believe me if I didnt miss Jedi class... damn |
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| 23:12.40 | chem|st | Anon220: welcome! this is the primary maemo.org IRC channel how may I assist? |
| 23:12.54 | Anon220 | i'm talking about sex whats the deal |
| 23:13.08 | Anon220 | technique wise give me some tips |
| 23:13.16 | chem|st | lardman|home: well gnuplot is there the python code needs to be called! |
| 23:13.18 | slonopotamus | -_o |
| 23:13.35 | lardman|home | chem|st: but it;s not integrated then! :) |
| 23:13.48 | ds3 | lardman|home: what about a mini webserver serving up stuff to do graphing in javascript? |
| 23:13.53 | Anon220 | once done pumping rub your helmet on the slice and it will splice |
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| 23:14.04 | chem|st | Anon220: try upside down with an arm or leg in your partners ass |
| 23:14.05 | lardman|home | ds3: in a word, no. |
| 23:14.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Anon220: Well, you part their buttons, gently insert your tongue, reach around with your hands, tickle the balls with one... |
| 23:14.24 | ds3 | =) |
| 23:14.30 | chem|st | XP |
| 23:14.40 | lardman|home | I just need to display some data, not too bothered about how, but I'd prefer to get that written quickly and easily |
| 23:14.44 | chem|st | its getting disgusting |
| 23:14.48 | Anon220 | sounds like you know what your on about |
| 23:14.58 | svanheulen | ... did i come in at a bad time >.> |
| 23:14.58 | SpeedEvil | lardman: hack: gnuplot -> gif ->display gif |
| 23:14.59 | lardman|home | I was hoping I'd find some graphing class floating around that wouldn't need me to compile stuff |
| 23:14.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Well chem|st, Someone popped a chubby reading that |
| 23:15.14 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: Nooooooo! Been there, done that, painful |
| 23:15.47 | chem|st | lardman|home: fisting or gif? |
| 23:15.50 | mrmg_ | cool, a friend just told me about MADDE, looks good. |
| 23:15.57 | lardman|home | chem|st: both |
| 23:15.58 | chem|st | ;) |
| 23:16.00 | Anon220 | pretty shit |
| 23:16.22 | lardman|home | chem|st: the no that was, just the latter for the having tried it |
| 23:16.38 | svanheulen | anyone know if xterm on the n900 supports unicode? in emacs unicode characters look like ??, not sure if it's a problem with xterm or emacs |
| 23:16.41 | chem|st | dont think you need to compile gnuplot... just install the arm package |
| 23:16.56 | lardman|home | I know, I compiled it in the first place iirc |
| 23:16.57 | Anon220 | have you seen the new graphing code for outbound enax servers |
| 23:17.05 | lardman|home | but I don't really want to have to use it |
| 23:17.27 | chem|st | svanheulen: dont know I want urxvt! and urxvtd! |
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| 23:17.56 | Anon220 | same isn't urc connected with multiple origin connectors in denmark |
| 23:18.20 | chem|st | svanheulen: copy some umlauts from a UTF-8 encoded homepage to it |
| 23:18.22 | svanheulen | chem|st: othen then this i really like the built in xterm |
| 23:18.34 | Jef91 | hey all - are there any special settings I need to change to my make N900 connect to tomobile 3g? (in the usa) |
| 23:18.40 | lardman|home | ah, balls, guess I'll just have to pull my finger out and compile Octave, bbiam after I boot to Linux |
| 23:18.46 | Anon220 | same fuckin aye xterms nt connectors |
| 23:18.46 | svanheulen | chem|st: good idea, i'll try that |
| 23:18.51 | Anon220 | and shit |
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| 23:19.08 | villager | gevaerts: I 3-stared 1-5 by smashing all the ice at the top with my bird, that will destabilize the big rock and fall down on every single pig below it |
| 23:19.17 | chem|st | svanheulen: you save battery with using a daemon for urxvt as future urxvts dont open a new process |
| 23:19.25 | svanheulen | Jef91: i changed my gprs settings to use epc.tmobile.com, but i don't know if thats required |
| 23:19.32 | Anon220 | it is |
| 23:19.38 | Anon220 | be careful though |
| 23:19.46 | svanheulen | chem|st: oh, true, didn't think of that |
| 23:19.57 | gevaerts | villager: I finally did it by smashing a bit of wood. It's all about destabilising things and getting lucky I guess |
| 23:20.24 | chem|st | svanheulen: I was doing a lot on performance with my netbook, and with 8 urxvts open it saves at least 10minutes |
| 23:20.36 | MaemohammadAG | gevaerts, and knowing the laws of physics :p |
| 23:20.54 | chem|st | obey gravity! |
| 23:20.59 | svanheulen | chem|st: wow, nice |
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| 23:21.15 | lardman|home | re |
| 23:22.03 | chem|st | svanheulen: lately I managed to watch 2 movies and an episode of HIMYM and had +1 hour battery left! |
| 23:22.56 | chem|st | caching everything to ram is the major key idea |
| 23:25.04 | Jef91 | svanheulen how do I do that? |
| 23:25.57 | svanheulen | Jef91: settings > internet connections > connections > edit |
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| 23:27.31 | svanheulen | Jef91: it's the "Access point name" setting |
| 23:27.31 | Talus46_n810 | greetings |
| 23:27.44 | svanheulen | hi |
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| 23:28.36 | Talus46_n810 | does anyone know why the last update to diablo makes the n810 loose the date? |
| 23:29.16 | Jef91 | thanks svanheulen trying that now |
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| 23:35.03 | pupnik | LOSE |
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| 23:39.14 | svanheulen | Jef91: also you should check that "Network mode" is set to "Dual" in settings > phone |
| 23:41.16 | MaemohammadAG | any way to make xchat blink the LED when a PM arrives? |
| 23:41.16 | lardman|home | hmm, well that's a start I guess, configure is running ok ;) |
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| 23:43.00 | gevaerts | 3 stars on world 1 \âº/ |
| 23:43.13 | slonopotamus | gevaerts, cheater! |
| 23:43.23 | user__ | hey all |
| 23:43.43 | lardman|home | ponders the output of Octave build and why it says f77.... |
| 23:43.54 | pillar | hmm is there already a desktop widget to connect/disconnect gprs/wlan connection? three-presses and the waiting is too much for such a lazy person as me :) |
| 23:43.57 | slonopotamus | Jef91, we're all busy playing angry birds. come back in a couple of days. |
| 23:44.07 | Jeff91 | so my phone says it connects to tmobile 3g |
| 23:44.15 | *** join/#maemo ml-N900 (n=wat@32.159.227.10) |
| 23:44.20 | Jeff91 | but it won't actually load any content |
| 23:44.25 | Jeff91 | suggestions? |
| 23:44.41 | MaemohammadAG | dns? |
| 23:44.49 | pillar | just play angry birds :)( |
| 23:44.54 | ml-N900 | can't wait until they resolve these watchdog reboots |
| 23:45.11 | MaemohammadAG | ml-N900, you tried the fix? |
| 23:45.12 | shinkamui | angry birds rocks |
| 23:45.18 | shinkamui | ml-N900, what watchdog reboots? |
| 23:45.22 | svanheulen | Jeff91: try pinging a website or ip |
| 23:45.40 | ml-N900 | enable_off_mode? yes, it resolved the majority |
| 23:45.57 | Jeff91 | just "ping www.google.com" in terminal right? |
| 23:46.05 | svanheulen | yeah |
| 23:46.12 | Jeff91 | kk brb again |
| 23:46.13 | ml-N900 | now I get occasional reboots when I think it would otherwise blank the screen |
| 23:46.23 | shinkamui | oh wow ok |
| 23:46.31 | shinkamui | I've had 2 unexpected reboots so far |
| 23:46.43 | MaemohammadAG | nothing here |
| 23:46.48 | shinkamui | I was trying to figure out what other people had been writing about in tthe forums to try and avoid it |
| 23:46.56 | shinkamui | 2 in 3 weeks I think is ok |
| 23:47.07 | svanheulen | that's silly... you need to be root to use ping |
| 23:47.20 | shinkamui | what |
| 23:47.22 | shinkamui | since when |
| 23:47.28 | svanheulen | on the n900 |
| 23:47.38 | shinkamui | haha, didn't realize that was the case |
| 23:47.38 | GeneralAntilles | svanheulen, hey-ho, busybox. |
| 23:48.59 | *** join/#maemo Jeff91 (n=user@adsl-75-34-163-42.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:49.12 | Jeff91 | ping does not work |
| 23:49.50 | Jeff91 | :( |
| 23:49.56 | Jeff91 | is a sad panda |
| 23:50.20 | slonopotamus | wtf? i passed 1-5 in one shot and got only 2 stars :/ |
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| 23:51.10 | gevaerts | slonopotamus: that only happens if you falsely accuse people of cheating ;) |
| 23:51.18 | MaemohammadAG | anyone on xchat on the n900 |
| 23:51.20 | MaemohammadAG | lol |
| 23:51.24 | svanheulen | Jeff91: try pinging an ip |
| 23:51.39 | svanheulen | MaemohammadAG: nope, irssi |
| 23:51.47 | slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, yep |
| 23:51.52 | slonopotamus | gevaerts, :P |
| 23:52.00 | MaemohammadAG | was accused of cheating during his GCE exam |
| 23:52.30 | MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, can you input the symbol for indices? |
| 23:52.31 | Jeff91 | svanheulen I'll give that a try - but how is that different from a web adress? |
| 23:52.43 | MaemohammadAG | the arrow pointing upwards in sym |
| 23:52.53 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 23:52.56 | slonopotamus | nope |
| 23:53.02 | MaemohammadAG | Jeff91, for some reason only google pings |
| 23:53.09 | slonopotamus | it isn't on symbols screen |
| 23:53.11 | MaemohammadAG | pongs* |
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| 23:53.12 | Jeff91 | brb |
| 23:53.12 | kevloral | Hi all |
| 23:53.36 | MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, it is |
| 23:53.38 | slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, neither is backtick |
| 23:53.43 | MaemohammadAG | try the upside down ? |
| 23:53.49 | slonopotamus | uh? |
| 23:54.08 | MaemohammadAG | ¿ actually nvm that worked |
| 23:54.08 | svanheulen | Jeff91: doesn't have to do a dns lookup |
| 23:54.16 | MaemohammadAG | but the index sign doesn't work |
| 23:54.36 | slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, how you did that? |
| 23:54.50 | MaemohammadAG | blue arrow + ctrl |
| 23:55.02 | slonopotamus | meh... it broke |
| 23:55.03 | MaemohammadAG | but the third row isn't working |
| 23:55.05 | slonopotamus | brb |
| 23:55.07 | MaemohammadAG | lol |
| 23:55.19 | svanheulen | oh is it just me or can you not type a tilde in xterm on the n900? |
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| 23:55.40 | MaemohammadAG | tilde? |
| 23:56.08 | svanheulen | the thing above the tab on a normal keyboard |
| 23:56.20 | gevaerts | ~ |
| 23:56.25 | svanheulen | that |
| 23:57.18 | MaemohammadAG | svanheulen, same as in xchat |
| 23:57.22 | pupnik | svanheulen: the n900 has different layouts in different countries |
| 23:57.27 | MaemohammadAG | the whole 3rd row doesn't work |
| 23:57.38 | slonopotamus | gimme my backtick! |
| 23:57.48 | MaemohammadAG | pupnik, it shouldn't be the cause |
| 23:58.01 | MaemohammadAG | it's not accepting the press |
| 23:58.01 | kevloral | svanheulen: you can, at least with the spanish keyboard. |
| 23:58.07 | pupnik | it should, because different countries need different symbols |
| 23:58.30 | svanheulen | MaemohammadAG: oh shit, you're right |
| 23:59.10 | slonopotamus | =~\½²³Nº third row. |
| 23:59.12 | svanheulen | pupnik: it shouln't because we're talking about the sym menu |
| 23:59.23 | MaemohammadAG | svanheulen, that's what i was asking slonopotamus about |
| 23:59.34 | MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, how'd you do that? |
| 23:59.36 | pupnik | sorry :) |
| 23:59.56 | MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, that's not my 3rd row |
