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| 00:16.08 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: yo |
| 00:16.39 | GAN900 | crashanddie, wassup? |
| 00:16.52 | GAN900 | is cold. |
| 00:17.16 | crashanddie | ~burn GAN900 |
| 00:17.17 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over GAN900, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 00:18.10 | GAN900 | stops shivering |
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| 00:20.11 | crashanddie | GAN900: don't feed the troll |
| 00:21.29 | DoorToDoorGeek | Hello |
| 00:21.43 | crashanddie | Hi DoorToDoorGeek |
| 00:22.15 | DoorToDoorGeek | Hey crashanddie, I am a N810 owner and lover that just wants to see what I am missing |
| 00:22.25 | crashanddie | with the N900? |
| 00:22.42 | DoorToDoorGeek | well, I know I am missing that for a little while with that price tag |
| 00:22.42 | crashanddie | or community-wise? |
| 00:22.55 | DoorToDoorGeek | ahh, both, tech and the "goings on" |
| 00:23.25 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, ping? |
| 00:23.40 | DoorToDoorGeek | I use my N810 a lot and sometimes have questions, I would much rather communicate about it rather then google-n-browse sometimes |
| 00:24.02 | GAN900 | DoorToDoorGeek, the N900 is in a different dimension compared to the N810? |
| 00:24.12 | GAN900 | s/?/./ |
| 00:25.52 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: well, there's always the mailing lists and forums |
| 00:25.56 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: and IRC, obviously |
| 00:27.04 | DoorToDoorGeek | well yea |
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| 00:29.57 | DoorToDoorGeek | dumb quickie, can you guys get roadmap working without cell/mobile service, I could never get a single map downloaded and loaded correctly http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/roadmap/ |
| 00:34.07 | ljp | cd src |
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| 00:34.41 | zak_ | hi |
| 00:34.48 | zak_ | can i use ssh from a nokia n900 |
| 00:35.06 | zak_ | what about vnc? |
| 00:35.12 | DoorToDoorGeek | I am sure you can ssh |
| 00:35.19 | till- | i can both from my n800 |
| 00:35.19 | DoorToDoorGeek | I am sure you can use vnc |
| 00:35.20 | vexling | ofcourse you can |
| 00:35.24 | Caesium | openssh is in the repos, as is vncviewer |
| 00:35.29 | vexling | there are packages for both |
| 00:35.32 | DoorToDoorGeek | umm, love repos |
| 00:35.38 | BBNS | angry bird ftw! |
| 00:35.51 | vexling | hehe, just downloaded that game! :) |
| 00:36.11 | BBNS | airport touch is not too bad either. |
| 00:36.20 | zak_ | well actually iam planning to get a new smart phone ,not yet decided it will be a nokia n900, but it must be a linux smart phone :) will nokia n900 be a good choice ? |
| 00:36.30 | BBNS | though the iPhone version is more intense. =P |
| 00:37.01 | BBNS | zak_: are you heavily relies on google service? |
| 00:37.08 | DoorToDoorGeek | imo (and I know nothing) hell yea |
| 00:37.22 | zak_ | BBNS: well , actually , no |
| 00:37.37 | BBNS | zak_: n900 is a open hack box. if you like to hack stuff and write your own toys, then yes. |
| 00:38.22 | zak_ | well i just want to use smart phone based on a very stable and nice linux distro(with kde4 +qt:) am i asking too much :) |
| 00:38.56 | BBNS | zak_: nah. i like n900 more than droid. |
| 00:39.07 | BBNS | zak_: especially it runs qt. |
| 00:39.17 | MaemohammadAG | kde? the n900 doesn't use that |
| 00:39.19 | zak_ | that s nice |
| 00:39.39 | vexling | i dont think there is any MOBILE phone that actually would use kde |
| 00:39.42 | zak_ | MaemohammadAG: does any smart phone do ? |
| 00:39.53 | vexling | but you can have qt-based apps on n900 |
| 00:39.55 | nomis | zak_: the n900 sucks as a phone. |
| 00:40.00 | MaemohammadAG | well, no |
| 00:40.06 | zak_ | nomis: ? |
| 00:40.12 | MaemohammadAG | nomis, it's good enough for me |
| 00:40.18 | MaemohammadAG | cept for the battery |
| 00:40.30 | MaemohammadAG | but i have two batts so it's not a problem :p |
| 00:40.51 | DoorToDoorGeek | I would live with a bad battery just to have the awesome power of a debian based os in my hand |
| 00:40.52 | vexling | with this kind of device I think it's expected you charge every night |
| 00:40.57 | BBNS | but bear in mind this toy is not mass-market oriented ... so no fancy pandora client, no native google map client, etc, etc. |
| 00:41.06 | DoorToDoorGeek | true bbns |
| 00:41.10 | nomis | zak_: IMHO the n900 is not up to par regarding the phone functionality. It is great for its hack value and its tablet stuff, but plain old telephony is not very smooth. |
| 00:41.11 | SplasPood | vexling: maybe more than once a night... |
| 00:41.18 | MaemohammadAG | vexling, i charge every 4 hours :p |
| 00:41.36 | DoorToDoorGeek | if you love hacking at Linux their is no better device, imo |
| 00:41.44 | vexling | well if you play with your device a lot, then probably more than once every 24h |
| 00:41.45 | SplasPood | I'd agree with what Door just said |
| 00:41.45 | GAN900 | nomis, works fine here. |
| 00:42.06 | SplasPood | The phone stuff works, its just not very full featured or focused upon |
| 00:42.21 | SplasPood | The software needs lots of work in many areas, but I have high hopes |
| 00:42.22 | nomis | GAN900: I use it currently as my primary phone as well. Yes, you can make phone calls with it, but thats about it. |
| 00:42.28 | SplasPood | I just couldn't suggest it to my parents yet :) |
| 00:42.33 | DoorToDoorGeek | If you do not know what a deb file is then get a droid or iPhone |
| 00:42.33 | MaemohammadAG | vexling, i'm not complaining |
| 00:42.46 | GAN900 | nomis, what else is there? |
| 00:43.05 | GAN900 | DoorToDoorGeek, might've applied to the N810, not to the N900. |
| 00:43.08 | DoorToDoorGeek | You could SplasPood only after you configure it and get it setup with stuff, imo again |
| 00:43.09 | MaemohammadAG | it's an install package, don't go near the iPhone, for all normal people's sake |
| 00:43.13 | SplasPood | And now that I can play warcraft2 on it there is nothing more I need ;) |
| 00:43.25 | SplasPood | DoorToDoorGeek: maybe, a lot of that 'stuff' doesnt exist yet tho |
| 00:43.49 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: pong |
| 00:43.54 | DoorToDoorGeek | you know what the answer to that is right SpasPood, write it |
| 00:43.57 | timeless_mbp | note: i'm not in a good mood |
| 00:44.04 | Anidel | we've finished all Angry Birds level.. anf pant.. time to go to sleep |
| 00:44.09 | Anidel | night :) |
| 00:44.12 | timeless_mbp | i wasted however much time buying a stupid 3m cable for my cable box |
| 00:44.27 | timeless_mbp | and now my lcd can't get any picture at all from cable or dvd |
| 00:44.37 | nomis | GAN900: the phonebook entries in horizontal mode are close to useless. The screen rotation needed for PB-entries in vertical mode is not stable enough: When holding the n900 to the ear it thinks it is horizontal, with the effect that when I try to hang up, I have to wait for the screen to flip back to vertical. Stuff like this. |
| 00:44.43 | GAN900 | DoorToDoorGeek, might've applied to the N810, not to the N900? |
| 00:44.49 | timeless_mbp | and i had to rewrite my entire computer corner to accommodate the stupid cables |
| 00:44.51 | timeless_mbp | dnaumov: so um |
| 00:45.01 | timeless_mbp | can one fry a scart host? |
| 00:45.01 | DoorToDoorGeek | na Gan900, if that was the case it would be real serious competition for droid and the iPhone, and it isn't, it's still a geeks phone (is what everybody keeps saying) |
| 00:45.01 | GAN900 | nomis, turn off rotation? |
| 00:45.16 | timeless_mbp | i've gotten zapped by both the cable connector and the scart connector |
| 00:45.17 | nomis | GAN900: then I am stuck to the useless horizontal phonebook. |
| 00:45.23 | jX | so what all was in today's Maemo update? |
| 00:45.31 | nomis | (why is there no quick-access buttons like in vertical mode?) |
| 00:45.38 | GAN900 | nomis, these sounds like personal issues. |
| 00:45.38 | timeless_mbp | jX: essentially nothing |
| 00:45.39 | papo | hm does anyone know what exactly this "BME" thing is? |
| 00:45.47 | timeless_mbp | it's a bridge to the real major update |
| 00:45.51 | GAN900 | DoorToDoorGeek, it's Nokia's answer to them, yes. |
| 00:45.55 | nomis | GAN900: well, yeah. Thats why I wrote "IMHO" :) |
| 00:45.55 | jX | timeless: Essentially? |
| 00:46.06 | GAN900 | DoorToDoorGeek, it seems to be doing damn well from where I'm sitting. |
| 00:46.07 | timeless_mbp | jX: well, technically the browser useragent string changed |
| 00:46.08 | jX | timeless: And that big update will have mms? And porn? |
| 00:46.08 | SplasPood | DoorToDoorGeek: only so much time in the day and I need to put food on the table with my 9-5 as well. But yes I see the point.. I'm a happy user of the N900, I just don't think it's ready for the likes of my parents as of yet. |
| 00:46.12 | DoorToDoorGeek | look at the US number gan900 |
| 00:46.14 | timeless_mbp | so you can recognize the different version |
| 00:46.21 | timeless_mbp | jX: of course not :) |
| 00:46.25 | jX | shakes fist |
| 00:46.27 | timeless_mbp | but there are 2 people working on mms |
| 00:46.28 | DoorToDoorGeek | I agree SpasPood |
| 00:46.31 | timeless_mbp | in the open |
| 00:46.34 | jX | that's good. |
| 00:46.45 | timeless_mbp | you can use their stuff w/o waiting for nokia to get it wrong |
| 00:46.49 | jX | I used MMS a lot. Out of the thousands of texts I've sent, 4 have been with pix. |
| 00:47.04 | GAN900 | DoorToDoorGeek, US is only a small percentage of the market. :) |
| 00:47.04 | timeless_mbp | jX: yep |
| 00:47.10 | nomis | GAN900: on a more positive note: the n900 made SMS usable for me. |
| 00:47.10 | jX | so mms is very important. |
| 00:47.13 | Tester | people really use mms ? |
| 00:47.30 | jX | timeless: oh, did you see my comment about that weird context menu bug in the browser in #foxymonkies yesterday? |
| 00:47.34 | DoorToDoorGeek | and the US is dumber then the world and I am talking about the US |
| 00:47.37 | timeless_mbp | missed it |
| 00:47.44 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, first-level support @ Nokia USA is apparently telling people that flashing voids their warranties. |
| 00:47.49 | timeless_mbp | DoorToDoorGeek: =~ s/then/than/ |
| 00:47.53 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: glory |
| 00:47.57 | zak_ | are there any smart phone that runs X11 |
| 00:48.00 | zak_ | ? |
| 00:48.02 | GAN900 | DoorToDoorGeek, international channel here. |
| 00:48.02 | SplasPood | nothing beats the proper IM/VoIP integration in maemo |
| 00:48.08 | SplasPood | that is by far the best part I've seen |
| 00:48.08 | Tester | zak_: the n900... |
| 00:48.18 | Tester | zak_: also some new samsung, etc |
| 00:48.22 | timeless_mbp | zak_: is the n900 a smart phone? |
| 00:48.23 | jX | timeless: Press and hold on a blank area of a web page, the context menu has "Open in new window" which opens the same page in a new window. This is confusing when you THOUGHT you were holding on a link to do that and the same page opens rather than the link you thought you had. |
| 00:48.26 | GAN900 | DoorToDoorGeek, and its standing in the US has shit to do with whether or not it's a "geek" phone. |
| 00:48.28 | frals | heard MMS |
| 00:48.29 | DoorToDoorGeek | US people are dumb and do not want to do any real work on a device, the iPhone is dumb enough for the us |
| 00:48.34 | frals | scrolls through backlog |
| 00:48.38 | jX | DoorToDoorGeek: PLease shut up, thanks. |
| 00:48.39 | timeless_mbp | jX: oh that |
| 00:48.39 | timeless_mbp | yeah, we know |
| 00:48.44 | SplasPood | DoorToDoorGeek: umm, thanks buddy. |
| 00:48.44 | timeless_mbp | i haven't spent the time looking into it |
| 00:48.45 | jX | timeless: ok. |
| 00:48.49 | DoorToDoorGeek | why? |
| 00:48.49 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: please don't generalise |
| 00:48.51 | timeless_mbp | i suspect it's from a frameset menu |
| 00:49.03 | jX | DoorToDoorGeek: Because I'm not fond of being insulted. |
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| 00:49.03 | timeless_mbp | and no one fixed it to only happen when there's an actual frameset |
| 00:49.22 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: I know more people who do "real work" on an iPhone than I know users who use their n810/n900 for business |
| 00:49.31 | Caesium | jX: thanks, didn't know about the context menu in the browser :) |
| 00:49.32 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: regardless of their geolocalisation |
| 00:49.34 | DoorToDoorGeek | I was involved in MIT studies, 80% of the US us below the world IQ average, that is a fact not a generalization |
| 00:49.40 | zak_ | timeless_mbp: yes |
| 00:49.43 | jX | DoorToDoorGeek: no, that's not a fact. |
| 00:49.44 | vexling | guys I hoped someone here could point me in a direction of decent guide on building library packages for maemo/debian? |
| 00:49.48 | SplasPood | heheh.. MIT is .. in the US. |
| 00:49.49 | vexling | I've followed the guide on maemo.org but got stucked with half-empty .deb file ;/ |
| 00:49.52 | timeless_mbp | zak_: well, it runs X11 |
| 00:49.54 | pupnik3g | dsl went out here. nice to have a N900 for backup |
| 00:49.57 | timeless_mbp | so i guess that answers your question... |
| 00:49.58 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: unless you want to get banned on your first day, I suggest you change discussions right now |
| 00:50.03 | DoorToDoorGeek | lol |
| 00:50.04 | jX | crashanddie++ |
| 00:50.09 | DoorToDoorGeek | what a bunch of pc hams |
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| 00:50.10 | SplasPood | pupnik3g: I use that when I forget to pay my bill ;) |
| 00:50.15 | DoorToDoorGeek | political correct |
| 00:50.23 | frals | goes back to lurking |
| 00:50.30 | SplasPood | DoorToDoorGeek: nope, just not obnoxious. |
| 00:50.30 | jX | DoorToDoorGeek: As someone with an IQ unarguably higher than yours, you're a tool and an insulting bigot. |
| 00:50.34 | DoorToDoorGeek | I am just discussing a opinion |
| 00:50.36 | timeless_mbp | frals: people don't actually nibble here |
| 00:50.37 | crashanddie | jX: it's with a ~ |
| 00:50.41 | timeless_mbp | DoorToDoorGeek: we aren't interested |
| 00:50.43 | nomis | GAN900: my bad, indeed disabling screen rotation fixes the mode to vertical. Thanks for making me check. |
| 00:50.46 | jX | crashanddie: eh? |
| 00:50.47 | timeless_mbp | take your opinion elsewhere |
| 00:50.59 | crashanddie | jX: karma counter |
| 00:51.01 | Caesium | everyone forgets the ~ :) |
| 00:51.01 | crashanddie | nevermind |
| 00:51.05 | Caesium | should work without it :) |
| 00:51.07 | DoorToDoorGeek | lol, I have seen 4 people be much more rude then I |
| 00:51.14 | DoorToDoorGeek | wow |
| 00:51.20 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: please, you seemed like a nice enough bloke when you joined |
| 00:51.20 | timeless_mbp | DoorToDoorGeek: =~ s/then/than/ |
| 00:51.33 | crashanddie | s/I/me/ |
| 00:51.36 | jX | Caesium: Ahh, I didn't know there actually was one, I am just used to it on another network, and use it as shorthand to say "I like your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter" |
| 00:51.36 | DoorToDoorGeek | can I ask that is "=~ s/then/than/" |
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| 00:51.51 | timeless_mbp | you can. one might say you just did. |
| 00:52.02 | SplasPood | His IQ is high enough to know |
| 00:52.03 | timeless_mbp | DoorToDoorGeek =~ s/that/what/ |
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| 00:52.32 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: regular expression replace. He's correcting you |
| 00:52.33 | cleary | DoorToDoorGeek: (disclaimer: I'm not from the us) but talking down the intellect of a large section of the community they are interracting with? Who's the dumb one here? |
| 00:52.39 | DoorToDoorGeek | that has nothing to do with IQ, that has to do with familiarity |
| 00:52.58 | Undrwater | are there good screenshots of how the calendar looks in its various views? |
| 00:53.09 | ljp | thinks anyone with an intererst in n900 would be smarter than averge |
| 00:53.27 | DoorToDoorGeek | I agree ljp |
| 00:54.03 | DoorToDoorGeek | but follow great business people and under promise and over deliver, be realistic about the product |
| 00:54.08 | zak_ | http://forums.opensuse.org/general-chit-chat/424804-new-linux-based-nokia-n900.html |
| 00:54.10 | pupnik3g | intelligence can be vere heterogenous |
| 00:54.21 | Undrwater | which intellegence? |
| 00:54.32 | crashanddie | quoted |
| 00:54.51 | papo | and I'm also interested in what Mer is |
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| 00:55.23 | DoorToDoorGeek | Hello Rhoruns |
| 00:55.34 | Rhoruns | hi :) |
| 00:55.34 | pupnik3g | vwhois DoorToDoorGeek |
| 00:55.42 | SplasPood | lol |
| 00:55.42 | pupnik3g | who is the new guy |
| 00:55.44 | SplasPood | IRC fail |
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| 00:55.46 | pupnik3g | im tired |
| 00:55.46 | GAN900 | ~mer |
| 00:55.47 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 00:55.49 | DoorToDoorGeek | just a fat guy in MD US |
| 00:56.09 | DoorToDoorGeek | that really likes his N810 and maemo |
| 00:56.29 | GAN900 | wishes the fullscreen button in the browser wouldn't pop up when keyboard scrolling. |
| 00:56.54 | SplasPood | I kinda wish the phone had a jog dial on the side or something for scrolling |
| 00:57.08 | DoorToDoorGeek | I think I heard of mer on floss weekly, I think |
| 00:57.33 | crashanddie | SplasPood: try the touchscreen |
| 00:58.14 | Milhouse | bug #7837 |
| 00:58.15 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7837 Headphones connected but ringtone plays through loudspeakers |
| 00:58.22 | Milhouse | Please vote :) |
| 00:59.06 | SplasPood | crashanddie: well yes, of course, but I meant additionally |
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| 00:59.23 | SplasPood | And I have the annoying habit of selecting things when all I wanted to do was scroll |
| 00:59.31 | papo | GAN900: thank you |
| 00:59.33 | papo | ~bme |
| 00:59.37 | crashanddie | Milhouse: done |
| 00:59.55 | Milhouse | cheers - can't believe that got through testing... so i'm a bit worried it won't be fixed |
| 01:00.08 | crashanddie | Milhouse: not an issue with testing |
| 01:00.18 | crashanddie | Milhouse: QA is a difficult and complex process |
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| 01:00.28 | crashanddie | Milhouse: if something isn't documented, it can't be true or false |
| 01:00.52 | Milhouse | yeah, and common sense doesn't come into it - i've seen that a lot on this project |
| 01:00.57 | pupnik3g | gnite folks |
| 01:01.06 | crashanddie | has nothing to do with common sense |
| 01:01.13 | DoorToDoorGeek | when I get some time could I ask for some assistance with N810 and RoadMap (I tried months ago and couldn't get it working |
| 01:01.38 | crashanddie | DoorToDoorGeek: how about you ask about it when you have some time? We're not your PAs |
| 01:01.43 | Milhouse | right, so this bug, assuming it was found, you're saying it was left because it wasn't documented even though it flies in the face of common sense? |
| 01:01.48 | odin_ | can the N900 led be made to glow red ? I've seen white, blue, orange |
| 01:01.50 | GAN900 | Word City is a decent theme. |
| 01:01.57 | DoorToDoorGeek | I was just asking if that was normal |
| 01:02.14 | GAN900 | papo, battery management entity. |
| 01:02.20 | DoorToDoorGeek | this room is packed with douchbags, you do not have to kick me |
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| 01:02.24 | GAN900 | papo, it controls battery charging. |
| 01:02.26 | papo | GAN900: Ah |
| 01:02.26 | MaemohammadAG | odin_, it seems to be like red when the charger is disconnected |
| 01:02.29 | shinkamui | so im probably late to the party |
| 01:02.32 | Milhouse | odin_ - about 350 degrees celcius should do it |
| 01:02.34 | MaemohammadAG | it might be the orange one though |
| 01:02.35 | shinkamui | but whats new in the maemo update from today |
| 01:02.48 | crashanddie | Milhouse: I've had QA return that one of my jsps was perfect, everything worked "as expected", because they didn't go through the damned thing... Cause... The initial page had a button "Sumit" instead of "Submit", and my QA test document said "Click on the submit button" |
| 01:02.52 | shinkamui | I already can't install it not enough space, so I want to be sure its worth it before I go through hell making space |
| 01:02.53 | MaemohammadAG | * ljp thinks anyone with an intererst in n900 would be smarter than averge - and those with an interest in the iPhone are? |
| 01:03.10 | crashanddie | MaemohammadAG: let's not go there |
| 01:03.20 | GAN900 | odin_, RGB |
| 01:03.21 | papo | GAN900: it seems to me that hald-addon-bme is the connection between the charging magic and the dbus interface... seems to be plausible now |
| 01:03.42 | MaemohammadAG | withdrawn then, i'm starting to be an iHater :( |
| 01:03.54 | papo | GAN900: however, http://gitorious.org/mer-toggles/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/hald-addon-bme.c is probably not the source file for that binary |
| 01:04.03 | Milhouse | crashanddie: hmmm... get better QA staff? |
| 01:04.18 | Milhouse | :) |
| 01:04.24 | crashanddie | don't be, it fulfils a niche market. MaemohammadAG, if it makes you feel better, think of it as "At least we don't have to work with iPhone users" |
| 01:04.40 | crashanddie | Milhouse: not my call. You get what you pay for when you outsource to the US |
| 01:04.50 | Milhouse | crashanddie: most QA people I've met have been anally retentive, which is something to be respected... they should have rejected your test case. |
| 01:04.50 | crashanddie | s/US/India/ |
| 01:04.52 | Undrwater | doh! |
| 01:05.13 | crashanddie | my english fails |
| 01:05.19 | Milhouse | I believe you the first time :) |
| 01:05.24 | MaemohammadAG | crashanddie, i'm usually not, but i've seen some fanboys today so... |
| 01:05.25 | Milhouse | s/believe/believed/ |
| 01:05.46 | MaemohammadAG | but, usually i'm an "each to their own" person |
| 01:06.54 | frals | uh, its XB-Maemo-Display-Name you add in the control file to set the displayname right? |
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| 01:07.54 | Spinnukur | Having an issue with my N900 |
| 01:08.06 | Spinnukur | Tried using Fail Nokia's Software Updater |
| 01:08.28 | Spinnukur | got towards the end and it said "Nokia Software Updater has encountered an error and will now close" |
| 01:08.38 | Spinnukur | phone won't even turn on now |
| 01:08.48 | Spinnukur | when I plug it in, light stays solid yellow |
| 01:09.10 | Spinnukur | restarts itself about every 30secs, with the backlight off but Nokia logo showing |
| 01:09.20 | Spinnukur | any ideas? |
| 01:09.23 | timeless_mbp | frals: sounds right |
| 01:09.31 | MaemohammadAG | Spinnukur, google flasher-3.5 |
| 01:09.33 | timeless_mbp | frals: there are plenty of examples :) |
| 01:09.35 | MaemohammadAG | and flash it |
| 01:09.50 | frals | yeah, trying to figure out why it doesnt seem to take for me >_< |
| 01:09.50 | crashanddie | Spinnukur: don't use enter for punctuation |
| 01:09.53 | crashanddie | ;) |
| 01:10.05 | Milhouse | povbot flasher |
| 01:10.06 | timeless_mbp | XB-Maemo-Display-Name: Timezone Map Update |
| 01:10.12 | crashanddie | ~flasher |
| 01:10.13 | infobot | it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 01:10.24 | Milhouse | crashaddie: aha - thank you :) |
| 01:10.28 | jebba | oh, plz update my timezone to the right time! ;) |
| 01:10.35 | timeless_mbp | frals: fwiw, it's it's, not its :) |
| 01:10.42 | MaemohammadAG | why can't i input symbols in xchat from sym |
| 01:10.45 | Spinnukur | already have them all, but phone won't even turn on when holding down the "u" button and plugging in, battery is fully charged |
| 01:10.51 | MaemohammadAG | ~help |
| 01:11.25 | Undrwater | can the bootloader env be changed on the n900? |
| 01:11.35 | Spinnukur | oh by the way Nokia Software Updater can go pound Santa, it's like the worts POS ever |
| 01:12.14 | MaemohammadAG | Spinnukur, it will just show nokia with the backlight off |
| 01:12.21 | MaemohammadAG | and a usb logo |
| 01:12.30 | Spinnukur | yeah i don't get anything |
| 01:12.48 | timeless_mbp | Spinnukur: so don't use it |
| 01:12.49 | MaemohammadAG | hold u then connect the cable |
| 01:12.54 | timeless_mbp | we generally don't recommend using it |
| 01:12.58 | timeless_mbp | you should never need to use it |
| 01:13.27 | MaemohammadAG | timeless_mbp, so NSU sometimes bricks devices? |
| 01:13.48 | Spinnukur | after my phone died after Nokia Software Updater killed it, I tried doing everyting according to steps listed on maemo wiki |
| 01:13.50 | timeless_mbp | MaemohammadAG: nsu is really only important if you've *already* bricked your device |
| 01:14.07 | MaemohammadAG | isn't that flasher's job? |
| 01:14.14 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 01:14.19 | timeless_mbp | nsu is just flasher w/ a gui |
| 01:14.29 | MaemohammadAG | oh i see |
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| 01:14.31 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, |
| 01:14.32 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 01:14.33 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:14.36 | MaemohammadAG | never used it before |
| 01:14.40 | MaemohammadAG | for the n900 |
| 01:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, why not just updating through the application manager? |
| 01:14.53 | timeless_mbp | MaemohammadAG: keep it that way |
| 01:14.56 | MaemohammadAG | all my PCs are linux based so i only use flasher |
| 01:15.00 | timeless_mbp | note that nsu has one trick flasher doesn't have |
| 01:15.10 | timeless_mbp | nsu can automatically grab an image to flash |
| 01:15.12 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 01:15.18 | Spinnukur | cause phone OS wasn't showing any updates yet when i plugged into my computer it said an update was available t |
| 01:15.24 | MaemohammadAG | LOL so much for a feature |
| 01:15.34 | MaemohammadAG | timeless_mbp, i obtained the image it gets |
| 01:15.36 | Spinnukur | "Update Available to 44.1" is what it said |
| 01:15.38 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, shoulda waited. The update isn't that exciting. ;) |
| 01:15.40 | MaemohammadAG | it's not the same one |
| 01:15.55 | timeless_mbp | Spinnukur: patience is a virtue |
| 01:16.00 | Spinnukur | yeah i know that now Antilles, but thought it might help with minor issues... :( |
| 01:16.10 | timeless_mbp | learn a lesson from this |
| 01:16.18 | MaemohammadAG | the one on tablets-dev has COMBINED at the end and is a bit larger |
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| 01:16.37 | Spinnukur | my whole point being now, all steps on maemo wiki don't work.... pressing "u" then plugging into my computer will not do anything to the phone |
| 01:16.58 | MaemohammadAG | u sure it's completely off? |
| 01:17.07 | Undrwater | openmoko looks nice |
| 01:17.07 | Spinnukur | it just sits their like a retarded bird after running into someones window |
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| 01:17.19 | MaemohammadAG | @everyone else didn't matt have the same problem? |
| 01:18.39 | Spinnukur | like right now as we speak, since i couldn't get it to work with the usb cord, i plugged it back into the wall charger....it's almost like it doesn random charging noises. the yellow light comes on a for a few secs solid and you hear the vibration device come on with it, then ten seconds later it shuts itself back off |
| 01:19.30 | MaemohammadAG | is the battery full? |
| 01:19.40 | Spinnukur | You know come to think of it, this is along the lines of the same issues I've had with NSU even with my E90 |
| 01:19.45 | MaemohammadAG | you can't charge it if it's bricked |
| 01:19.59 | Spinnukur | Yes AG it's fully charged |
| 01:20.13 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: not strictly true. |
| 01:20.42 | MaemohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it has to partially load up to charge |
| 01:20.43 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: you can't charge not from a charger at high rate. It will charge at 100mA from a computer, or 500mA from the wall charger |
| 01:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, remove the battery. |
| 01:21.03 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, put the battery back in. |
| 01:21.07 | MaemohammadAG | oh |
| 01:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, hold down u. |
| 01:21.12 | SpeedEvil | Not according to the service manual. It has to partially load to charge in the case that it boots at all |
| 01:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, plug in the USB cable. |
| 01:21.52 | Spinnukur | yeah i tried that also, i've gone through quite a few threads on forum |
| 01:22.16 | MaemohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, someone named matt__ had the same problem |
| 01:22.22 | crashanddie | that doortodoorgeek is an idiot |
| 01:22.38 | Caesium | let it go, internet is full of them :) |
| 01:24.19 | MaemohammadAG | crashanddie, about the us comment? I was going to say sth back but i thought i'd just ignore him |
| 01:24.29 | MaemohammadAG | even though i'm not from the US |
| 01:24.36 | crashanddie | neither am I |
| 01:24.51 | crashanddie | however I hate people who generalise based on a youtube video |
| 01:25.19 | MaemohammadAG | it's not just youtube |
| 01:25.39 | MaemohammadAG | there are many things that have been associated with americans for no reason |
| 01:25.59 | crashanddie | each nation has its own load of crap to bear |
| 01:26.19 | GeneralAntilles | For instance, Canada sucks. :P |
| 01:26.25 | MaemohammadAG | LOL |
| 01:26.37 | crashanddie | 60 years ago, american soldiers hit the European soil, saw women who lived in the most precarious situations, went back home and said french women didn't shave their armpits. |
| 01:26.42 | Spinnukur | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 01:26.49 | MaemohammadAG | yes |
| 01:26.57 | crashanddie | I guess it could be worse |
| 01:27.05 | crashanddie | I could be half irish, half japanese |
| 01:27.10 | crashanddie | then I'd be a short drunk |
| 01:27.12 | MaemohammadAG | assuming you're in linux and have the deb installed |
| 01:27.13 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, yes. |
| 01:27.27 | MaemohammadAG | or in windows in the right directory |
| 01:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | MaemohammadAG, also works with Windows. |
| 01:27.45 | MaemohammadAG | not if he's outside of the dir |
| 01:27.56 | MaemohammadAG | afaik it doesn't get added to path |
| 01:28.11 | MaemohammadAG | (does it?) |
| 01:30.31 | Spinnukur | same thing everytime, i do the "u" button thingy then plug in and nothing shows up on phone i then do the command and I get this RX-51_2009SE_1.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: %m |
| 01:30.34 | Spinnukur | then nothing |
| 01:30.39 | Spinnukur | it just goes back to the directory |
| 01:31.10 | MaemohammadAG | it should at least output an error |
| 01:31.54 | Spinnukur | nope, nothing at all |
| 01:32.23 | MaemohammadAG | Spinnukur, are u in the flasher-3.5 dir? |
| 01:34.16 | Spinnukur | yes AG |
| 01:35.28 | MaemohammadAG | and are you pointing it to the right place for the fiasco image? |
| 01:35.47 | MaemohammadAG | cause i'm assuming it isn't in the same directory as the flasher |
| 01:37.45 | Spinnukur | everything is where it should be according to the instructions via maemo wiki |
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| 01:38.04 | bdogg64 | hello |
| 01:38.10 | Spinnukur | same thing everytime, i do the "u" button thingy then plug in and nothing shows up on phone i then do the command and I get this RX-51_2009SE_1.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: %m [17:30] <Spinnukur> then nothing |
| 01:41.01 | shinkamui | Any GEMRB users around |
| 01:41.26 | bdogg64 | anyone know where I can get a patch for page flipping on the n900? |
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| 01:42.01 | shinkamui | define page flipping |
| 01:42.15 | Spinnukur | i go directly to my directory where the bin is located at which is C:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5\Install |
| 01:42.56 | Spinnukur | i've followed everyting on maemo wiki don't know how many times i've said that...still nothing |
| 01:43.28 | Spinnukur | i just even tried switching out the batteries of gf's N900 with mine |
| 01:43.29 | Spinnukur | same thing still |
| 01:43.33 | MaemohammadAG | Spinnukur, use the shortcut in the start menu |
| 01:44.16 | bdogg64 | shinkamui, the n810 needed a patch for the omap fb driver to fix a page flipping error |
| 01:44.56 | shinkamui | didn't your teachers ever teach you not to define a word or phrase using the word or phrase |
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| 01:45.26 | MaemohammadAG | lol |
| 01:45.39 | bdogg64 | I'm sure they did :-p |
| 01:45.44 | Spinnukur | I'm looking at the file again and their is no "MR0" after combined their is only 002... could this be the issue> |
| 01:46.08 | nomis | shinkamui: I think bdogg64 is referring to double-buffering to avoid tearing, or something like this. |
| 01:46.13 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'm out for the night -- bloody 2 in the morning already. You hold the fort for a bit |
| 01:46.13 | MaemohammadAG | Spinnukur, they're assuming you have to your filename :/ |
| 01:46.15 | shinkamui | I assumed as much |
| 01:46.17 | shinkamui | BUT |
| 01:46.33 | MaemohammadAG | +use* |
| 01:46.34 | shinkamui | in fact nevermind |
| 01:46.35 | shinkamui | :) |
| 01:47.02 | MaemohammadAG | Spinnukur, use tab to type the filename |
| 01:47.12 | MaemohammadAG | RX-51 then tab |
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| 01:48.05 | MaemohammadAG | same as in terminal and xchat |
| 01:48.26 | MaemohammadAG | anyways i'm off for the night (or day). nn |
| 01:49.50 | Spinnukur | says a bunch of image stuff then says "Nothing to Do" and just gives me a bunch of flasher options? |
| 01:58.44 | papo | hrm I feel stupid... I can't find the strace package |
| 01:59.15 | papo | ~strace |
| 01:59.16 | infobot | strace is probably a system-calls tracer. spits out a useful trace to stderr. To trace the command 'cmd with params' use: 'strace cmd with params' |
| 02:00.15 | shinkamui | has anyone configured openal on the N900 |
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| 02:00.26 | shinkamui | Im having trouble getting past this aweful studdering audio |
| 02:05.02 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R ? |
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| 02:14.44 | shinkamui | fuxkin sweet! |
| 02:14.47 | shinkamui | I fixed my problem |
| 02:14.52 | shinkamui | openal.cfg fixed |
| 02:15.03 | shinkamui | gonna post it ot the forum for another poor soul |
| 02:16.53 | Andrewfblack | any I only person that ovi store isn't working for |
| 02:17.42 | nomis | Andrewfblack: is it supposed to show anything different than "coming soon"? |
| 02:17.59 | Andrewfblack | seems like its working for alot of people now |
| 02:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | http://store.ovi.mobi |
| 02:18.40 | nomis | mhm, with the OS update today I still get the Coming Soon page (via the icon in the menu) |
| 02:18.51 | Andrewfblack | tried it GeneralAntilles |
| 02:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | and? |
| 02:19.02 | GeneralAntilles | On the N900? |
| 02:19.19 | Andrewfblack | on n900 yea |
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| 02:19.41 | Andrewfblack | didn't work for me |
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| 02:21.03 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, what does that mean? :P |
| 02:21.12 | GeneralAntilles | Troubleshooting . . . more like pulling teeth. :P |
| 02:21.23 | Andrewfblack | store.ovi.mobi goes to coming soon to |
| 02:21.28 | Andrewfblack | still |
| 02:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, interesting. |
| 02:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, on 44-1? |
| 02:22.35 | Andrewfblack | yeah |
| 02:25.04 | Andrewfblack | any ideas? |
| 02:26.25 | Caesium | wait I guess, it's probably a phased rollout to see how well they handle the load |
| 02:28.04 | Andrewfblack | well I live like less then 2 hours from GA so should work for me if its regonial |
| 02:28.16 | Caesium | means little |
| 02:28.28 | Caesium | none of us have any idea how they're rolling it out :) |
| 02:28.43 | Caesium | but if doing directly to the web address that works for some people, doesn't work for you, not a whole lot you can do about it :( |
| 02:29.19 | Andrewfblack | I wonder if I didn't update right my app manager looks strand now |
| 02:29.24 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, bizarre indeed. |
| 02:29.32 | Caesium | when you go into Download, do you see the new icons? |
| 02:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | You have the new category. . . . |
| 02:29.39 | Caesium | if so, you updated right ;) |
| 02:29.48 | Andrewfblack | text got really small on app manager |
| 02:29.49 | Caesium | can also check settings -> about |
| 02:30.30 | Andrewfblack | well fixed look of app manager had to change themes |
| 02:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | Need to ship some icons for the categories. |
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| 02:35.57 | Andrewfblack | ohh well I'm not going to die without ovi |
| 02:36.05 | Caesium | I'm sure it'll work eventually :) |
| 02:37.11 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, you should be able to fetch anything with apt-get anyway. |
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| 02:37.27 | Andrewfblack | what are names of some of hte packages? |
| 02:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | apt-cache search offscr* should turn up a bunch |
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| 02:42.11 | Andrewfblack | works don' need site thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 02:42.20 | spinnukur_ | so the problem comes down to one thing that i've figured out and it's getting the phone to go to "flash mode" via the "u" button, if I can get the phone to do that, I can reflash it |
| 02:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | Spinnukur, USB has to be plugged in, but it has to be powered completely off before you press U. |
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| 03:00.47 | Spinnukur | Yeah I got that part Antilles, still not doing anything. The only other thing I can think of was when NSU was trying to update the phone it sucked all the power out of the phone |
| 03:00.59 | Spinnukur | i.e. battery |
| 03:01.38 | Spinnukur | from what i'm reading on forums it's a 50/50 gamble with some saying it can't charge if it's bricked while others are saying if you use the wall charger it should charge the battery |
| 03:04.12 | Spinnukur | dunno what to do now |
| 03:06.38 | jebba | wooo hoo! got cryptsetup working :) |
| 03:07.21 | GAN900 | Spinnukur, does the USB logo stay in the upper right corner? |
| 03:08.45 | spinnukur_ | it doesn't even come on Gan |
| 03:10.27 | GAN900 | The USB logo? And the USB is plugged in and connected to a port on your computer? |
| 03:17.35 | spinnukur_ | Yes Gan, I've tried it both on my Win7 and Xp systems |
| 03:17.41 | spinnukur_ | and Vista |
| 03:20.25 | GAN900 | spinnukur_, if the USB logo isn't showing up then there's a hardware problem involved. |
| 03:20.36 | GAN900 | Possibly with the cable. |
| 03:20.37 | spinnukur_ | No matter what I do, it usually does the "drivers tryed installed but encountered an error" bs or the phone itself just doesn't turn on at all |
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| 03:21.41 | spinnukur_ | If it's hardware then how come I haven't had a problem at all until today when I tried updating via NSU and towards the end of the update it said "NSU encountered an unkown error, please contact Nokia Support", and that's when my phone stopped working |
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| 03:22.50 | aspidites | is there an easy way to repackage an x86 debian for arm? it's a python library so no recompiling neccessary |
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| 03:25.57 | GAN900 | spinnukur_, you're sure the USB logo isn't showing at all? |
| 03:25.58 | GAN900 | spinnukur_, and you've popped the battery out and disconnected all cables before trying to flash? |
| 03:26.07 | spinnukur_ | yes |
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| 03:28.44 | GAN900 | Weird |
| 03:29.14 | GAN900 | spinnukur_, well, my recommendation is to get yourself a livecd and try flashing with that. |
| 03:29.28 | GAN900 | Or find somebody with a Mac or Linux machine. |
| 03:30.17 | spinnukur_ | :( |
| 03:30.33 | GAN900 | spinnukur_, the way it should work is that during power on the bootloader will look for an attached USB host and enter flashing mode for about 2 seconds if one is connected |
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| 03:30.41 | spinnukur_ | guess I'll try dl'ing linux to a usb drive and doing it that way |
| 03:31.05 | GAN900 | If you've got the flasher running on your computer then it'll start the flashing process. |
| 03:31.21 | aspidites | and your device is showing up as an external harddrive under windows? |
| 03:31.47 | spinnukur_ | see the problem is when the phone is plugged into anything it automatically randomly goes solid yellow and vibrates like it's starting up for a few seconds then goes away and comes back every 20 seconds or so |
| 03:31.49 | GAN900 | By holding down u you can force it to wait in flashing mode indefinitely. |
| 03:32.03 | spinnukur_ | so their is no way i can actually make sure the phone is fully off, including taking out the battery |
| 03:32.24 | lcuk | well that would pretty much confirm its off |
| 03:32.28 | spinnukur_ | it's not showing up as anything aspidites |
| 03:32.31 | GAN900 | spinnukur_, know anybody with a 5800? |
| 03:32.37 | spinnukur_ | no :( |
| 03:32.40 | lcuk | evening gan |
| 03:32.46 | spinnukur_ | and i tried taking the battery out of my gf's n900 |
| 03:32.46 | GAN900 | Hi, lcuk. |
| 03:32.48 | spinnukur_ | and still no luck |
| 03:33.15 | aspidites | oh ok. stupid question: if you unplug it from everything, remove the battery, put the battery back in THEN plug it in, does it still automatically go yellow? |
| 03:33.23 | spinnukur_ | yes |
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| 03:33.46 | spinnukur_ | doesn't matter what i do, it always goes back to solid yellow, vibrates, goes off and continues to repeat every 20 seconds or so |
| 03:34.24 | lcuk | Spinnukur, does it do this when just the battery is in |
| 03:34.31 | lcuk | no charger |
| 03:34.35 | spinnukur_ | no |
| 03:34.40 | spinnukur_ | only when plugged in |
| 03:34.49 | aspidites | might be the charger then. microusb port that is. |
| 03:34.56 | lcuk | ok, so if you put the battery in |
| 03:35.05 | lcuk | wait 10s, then press/hold the power button |
| 03:35.06 | lcuk | what happens |
| 03:35.10 | spinnukur_ | nothing |
| 03:35.16 | lcuk | totally dead |
| 03:35.40 | spinnukur_ | or if i try the "u" button thing then usb cord same thing again except the yellow light vibrate thing happens |
| 03:36.19 | spinnukur_ | totally dead as in i need a new unit or what do you mean? cause I've tried switching out the battery with my gf's N900 battery and same thing still happens |
| 03:36.24 | lcuk | usb lead plugged in usually means its trying to do something else, you say without anything plugged in its totally dead, no lights no vibes no screen |
| 03:36.35 | spinnukur_ | correct |
| 03:36.48 | lcuk | ok my next question was going to be try someone elses charged up battery |
| 03:36.59 | spinnukur_ | yeah already tried that |
| 03:37.08 | aspidites | the the phone has power but it does nothing? |
| 03:37.16 | lcuk | did you have any problems before it shutdown the last time |
| 03:37.29 | aspidites | do you have sshserver/client installed on your n900? |
| 03:37.47 | spinnukur_ | yes aspidites, no lcuk only had problems when NSU went bollocks and said it encountered an error updating, afterwhich my unit stopped working |
| 03:37.57 | spinnukur_ | no aspi |
| 03:38.29 | aspidites | nvm then. was thinking you could remote into it and poke around |
| 03:38.55 | spinnukur_ | Nokia Software Updater as stated before can go diaf while pound Santa... |
| 03:39.55 | spinnukur_ | it was working perfectly before the update, had all my apps i wanted, my equirectangular desktop, my awesome "The Hangover" ringtone....then it decided to give me the finger... :( |
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| 03:40.35 | spinnukur_ | im now back to using my e90 and it feels unnatural |
| 03:40.42 | aspidites | maemo got upset your pc was using windows and commited suicide :-\ |
| 03:41.15 | spinnukur_ | bingo |
| 03:41.33 | aspidites | on a serious note, unless the live usbdrive/cd trick works, i would imagine this is covered under warranty, yeah? |
| 03:41.51 | spinnukur_ | im still within my return timeframe |
| 03:41.59 | spinnukur_ | so ill just return it and get a new replacement sent to me |
| 03:42.00 | aspidites | I mean, is nokia REALLY going to make you pay to fix something that was allegedly caused by one of their official updates? |
| 03:42.14 | spinnukur_ | no, cause im not gonna send it to them |
| 03:42.20 | spinnukur_ | send it back to Amazon |
| 03:42.44 | aspidites | amazon finally started shipping? |
| 03:43.02 | spinnukur_ | If you purchased anyting between Nov 1st-Dec15 they extended the return date till Jan 31 |
| 03:43.07 | spinnukur_ | yeah aspi |
| 03:43.12 | spinnukur_ | been shipping for a while |
| 03:43.13 | aspidites | nice! |
| 03:43.31 | microlith | great |
| 03:43.40 | microlith | apparently my username on the nokia site is taken? |
| 03:43.45 | microlith | boggles |
| 03:43.51 | aspidites | got mine from jr.com. will miss the 30 day amazon buyers remorse policy though :( patience is a virtue i suppose |
| 03:45.23 | spinnukur_ | my unit that went kaput this morning i received on Nov.22 then ordered one for my gf on Dec 5th which arrived on Dec.22. if it comes down to it, ill steal my gf's n900 give her my e90 till i get the replacement from amazon |
| 03:45.35 | microlith | oh, guess not |
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| 03:54.47 | jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Cryptsetup |
| 03:58.28 | odin_ | well thats odin_ upgraded the OS, although the phone was left for 30mins after and it rebooted itself again (after the os upgradre reboot which gave the yellow configuration of OS update sucessful) |
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| 04:04.50 | goodwill | jebba: nice!!!! |
| 04:04.59 | goodwill | jebba, I love cryptsetup |
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| 04:05.38 | goodwill | there does not seem a way to adjust the bluetooth bluetooth |
| 04:05.57 | goodwill | when I use media player to increase it ... it has no effect |
| 04:06.02 | goodwill | and the default is too low |
| 04:06.16 | goodwill | alsamixer does not seem to have a way to adjust it |
| 04:06.20 | goodwill | any ideas? |
| 04:13.19 | phr | i get the impression they're still working the bugs out of the 900... i'm pretty hot to get one but am better off waiting for financial reasons among other things. |
| 04:13.34 | goodwill | I know that much ... |
| 04:13.50 | goodwill | its pulse audio though ... maybe there is a command line util |
| 04:13.53 | phr | i still have a 770 that i've basically never used |
| 04:15.20 | BirdFlew | how tricky is it to write a program which uploads the N900's gps coords to an ftp server at a certain interval? |
| 04:15.40 | goodwill | BirdFlew: security system? |
| 04:16.25 | lcuk | BirdFlew, for you specifically or a generic configurable app |
| 04:16.31 | BirdFlew | yup |
| 04:16.39 | BirdFlew | initially for myself |
| 04:17.17 | BirdFlew | new to linux coding so i don't yet have the skills to polish an app for general release |
| 04:17.38 | goodwill | BirdFlew: probably not hard ... |
| 04:18.50 | BirdFlew | yeah i imagine it's quite simple, i just don't know how to go about it... is python capable enough or will it require c/c++? |
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| 04:19.52 | lcuk | the coding is less, its getting it running at startup thats more a pita |
| 04:20.07 | BirdFlew | hmm, yeah |
| 04:20.25 | Caesium | isn't there a standard way for statusbar widgets to start up? |
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| 04:20.32 | goodwill | BirdFlewyou can start it as a daemon |
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| 04:20.34 | goodwill | python should do |
| 04:20.41 | BirdFlew | sweet |
| 04:20.48 | lcuk | yeah Caesium but thats more involved coding wise |
| 04:21.01 | lcuk | and do you want a gui showing user they are being tracked |
| 04:21.05 | lcuk | o_O :D |
| 04:21.35 | BirdFlew | all i want for now is the basic backend |
| 04:21.51 | Caesium | I guess you need the dbus methods for the gps coords first hten |
| 04:21.58 | phr | birdflow doing it in python should be easy if the python std lib works |
| 04:21.59 | Caesium | then you can knock something up in python to get them and ftp it out |
| 04:22.00 | phr | there is an ftp module |
| 04:22.08 | goodwill | BirdFlew: dbus to gps and use urllib to post the coords |
| 04:22.11 | phr | or maybe there is a curl or wget port |
| 04:22.13 | phr | those support ftp |
| 04:22.18 | BirdFlew | but ideally i'd like to put together a full blown security app... tracking, locking, sending msgs, pulling data etc |
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| 04:22.25 | jaem | mornin' |
| 04:22.30 | BirdFlew | thanks a lot, goodwill |
| 04:22.32 | phr | how much is a 770 worth these days |
| 04:22.34 | phr | ? |
| 04:22.46 | shinkamui | 50-100$ |
| 04:22.48 | jaem | who's the contact for the SDK VMs? |
| 04:22.50 | phr | thanks |
| 04:23.11 | BirdFlew | thanks for the info guys |
| 04:23.16 | Caesium | would you need to tell the gps to get a lock separately or would it do it itself when you ask for coords? |
| 04:23.22 | Caesium | not looked at the gps dbus stuff |
| 04:23.45 | jaem | Caesium, I've never looked at it, but I'd guess the latter |
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| 04:24.01 | jaem | seeing how they do the rest of the wireless stuff |
| 04:24.08 | jaem | Caesium, just look it up on MXR |
| 04:24.20 | jaem | that would probably tell you quickly enough |
| 04:24.40 | Caesium | mxr? I think you've pre-empted my next question, is there a decent database of all the dbus calls :) |
| 04:25.11 | jaem | Caesium, mxr.maemo.org (source code search/x-ref), and no |
| 04:25.15 | jaem | :( |
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| 04:25.31 | jaem | FYI, full-text searches on mxr are darn slow, so try to use other fields as much as possible |
| 04:26.37 | jaem | Caesium, unfortunately, not all of the D-Bus calls in Maemo are not introspectable, either |
| 04:26.48 | jaem | Bluetooth isn't, for example - apparently due to legacy code |
| 04:28.02 | phr | is there a reasonable programming interface to the high res camera> |
| 04:28.03 | phr | ? |
| 04:28.40 | jaem | hmm... looks like MXR may not be updated to the new service pack |
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| 04:32.45 | loft306 | so i see the 899 wants to install a new maemo5 |
| 04:32.52 | loft306 | oops900 |
| 04:35.26 | jaem | loft306, the 899 isn't sold anymore ;) |
| 04:36.25 | loft306 | lmao |
| 04:37.08 | jaem | loft306, it was from the same design team as the WE |
| 04:37.11 | jaem | -snerk- |
| 04:37.15 | loft306 | i thought theas was sposed to be seamless.. the os updates.. |
| 04:37.42 | loft306 | or is this still in a testing catalogL |
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| 04:38.53 | jaem | loft306, it is seamless |
| 04:38.53 | jaem | just not mandatory |
| 04:38.55 | loft306 | lol |
| 04:38.57 | jaem | and that's a Good Thing (TM) |
| 04:39.00 | loft306 | k |
| 04:39.05 | loft306 | yepyep |
| 04:39.40 | loft306 | i thought seemless was mandatory it'll do it for you without you being able to say no |
| 04:39.52 | jaem | loft306, naw, this is Linux |
| 04:39.55 | jaem | your choice |
| 04:40.01 | loft306 | yepyep |
| 04:40.26 | Xisdibik | can the n900 grab the net connection from a laptop via BT/USB? |
| 04:40.31 | jaem | loft306, I like the fixes to the App Manager |
| 04:40.32 | loft306 | thats whi i have a linux dewice |
| 04:41.04 | jaem | Xisdibik, if it supports USB networking, then yes |
| 04:41.05 | loft306 | so your on it jaem |
| 04:41.09 | jaem | I'd think so, but I've never tried |
| 04:41.16 | jaem | loft306, :) |
| 04:41.26 | loft306 | goes for it |
| 04:42.13 | ColdFyre | the new maemo5 on the n900 does not include an updated kerne! |
| 04:42.17 | ColdFyre | kernel, too |
| 04:42.29 | jaem | loft306, well, the App Manager drops you back at the same place in the list, rather than the beginning |
| 04:42.53 | loft306 | yay! |
| 04:43.03 | loft306 | that was a pita |
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| 04:44.33 | Tester | ColdFyre: its just a pre-update.. the real one is coming later |
| 04:45.03 | jaem | Tester, O RLY? |
| 04:45.08 | ColdFyre | waits for the update that stops the random reboots :) |
| 04:45.38 | loft306 | lol ColdFyre that sucks |
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| 04:47.41 | loft306 | well nhe booted back up and all seems good to go |
| 04:47.50 | jaem | \o/ |
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| 04:48.06 | jaem | yeah, so apparently Nokia shipped my prof 3 more N900s when he only asked for one |
| 04:48.08 | jaem | woohoo |
| 04:48.13 | jaem | now we have 5 |
| 04:48.23 | jaem | strokes his N900 |
| 04:48.41 | loft306 | lol |
| 04:48.50 | loft306 | the'll bill him later |
| 04:48.59 | jaem | loft306, no, they're donated in some fashion |
| 04:49.04 | loft306 | or is this for dev? |
| 04:49.17 | jaem | loft306, research project |
| 04:49.23 | loft306 | ahh |
| 04:49.34 | jaem | which I'm getting *payed* for this semester :P |
| 04:49.56 | loft306 | :) |
| 04:50.17 | jaem | although I guess you could say a loaner N900 was payment - they were going to use N97s before I volunteered and convinced them not to |
| 04:50.18 | jaem | heh |
| 04:50.42 | loft306 | :) |
| 04:52.09 | ColdFyre | cant wait for the n1000 |
| 04:52.18 | lcuk | jaem, liqflow :p |
| 04:52.19 | jaem | ColdFyre, me too |
| 04:52.24 | ColdFyre | 1GB ram, 1.1ghz armv8 |
| 04:52.29 | jaem | ColdFyre, naw |
| 04:52.39 | jaem | it comes with 16GB of RAM, and dual Xeons |
| 04:52.41 | jaem | and pwnies |
| 04:52.47 | ColdFyre | mm pwnies! |
| 04:52.49 | jaem | lcuk, yes, what about it? |
| 04:53.03 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 |
| 04:53.21 | jaem | lcuk, yes, what about it? |
| 04:53.22 | loft306 | anymore 900's loose there usb ports since the few round the 2nd week of december? |
| 04:53.23 | jaem | :P |
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| 04:53.45 | jaem | loft306, are you asking if the ports are loose, or if they magically disappeared? |
| 04:53.51 | lcuk | dunks jaem in a pot of glue and sticks him to the wall |
| 04:54.01 | jaem | lcuk, I wasn't sure of your context - I've seen the vid ages ago |
| 04:54.05 | loft306 | the loose port bit jaem |
| 04:54.30 | Caesium | hm, N900 doesn't support being a modem over bluetooth? messing with pairing it with my laptop but it only supports file transfer and a couple of other useless things, according ot laptop |
| 04:54.37 | lcuk | u have more n900s than me |
| 04:54.45 | jaem | Caesium, I think there's an app that does it |
| 04:54.50 | jaem | lcuk, well, none of them are mine |
| 04:54.55 | jaem | also, you stink XP |
| 04:54.58 | ColdFyre | holy crap, watching that viid, i just relaized there is a spot for a lanyardon the n900 |
| 04:55.13 | Caesium | jaem: ah ok, I'll have a look, ta :) |
| 04:55.15 | loft306 | lol |
| 04:55.16 | lcuk | lol ColdFyre |
| 04:55.29 | loft306 | just gotta find one to install ColdFyre |
| 04:55.48 | ColdFyre | already have one from my old freerunner |
| 04:56.14 | ColdFyre | oh yeah, i am badass now. |
| 04:56.14 | Undrwater | ColdFyre: comparison? |
| 04:56.33 | ColdFyre | the FR vs n900? |
| 04:56.39 | loft306 | swing it till it flies away there ColdFyre |
| 04:56.46 | Undrwater | ColdFyre: yes |
| 04:56.52 | ColdFyre | there is none |
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| 04:57.38 | ColdFyre | FR is slow, has many hardware glitches(issues charging from non ac apadters, gsm buzz, low gsm volume) |
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| 04:58.06 | Undrwater | ColdFyre: how do you usually use your phone? did you have smartphne before? |
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| 04:58.50 | ColdFyre | i went from moto a780 to FR to n900, i used them for daily usage(web/email/sms/mms) |
| 04:59.29 | Undrwater | ColdFyre: calendaring at all? |
| 04:59.46 | jaem | LOL... (from an app's ChangeLog): "Significantly unbreak feature foo" |
| 04:59.53 | jaem | that's not very reassuring |
| 05:00.03 | ColdFyre | if you mean by using it for scheduling meetings, yes |
| 05:00.23 | ColdFyre | and as alarm clock :) |
| 05:00.27 | Undrwater | ColdFyre: syncing and such? |
| 05:01.00 | ColdFyre | the freerunner is built like a rock, i dropped it on concrete many times, the n900 looks like it would shatter |
| 05:01.19 | ColdFyre | i never did syncing, but i know it was done commonly by others |
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| 05:03.02 | ColdFyre | now i'm going to wear my n900 around my neck like all of the cool people with ipods and iphones, nyuh! |
| 05:03.27 | loft306 | now youll trip and fall on it |
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| 05:06.08 | ColdFyre | my e-penis isn't _that_ big |
| 05:06.14 | ColdFyre | oh, you mean the phone |
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| 05:08.09 | Proteous | the fm transmitter in the n900 is way better then in the n97 |
| 05:08.38 | Proteous | all around more powerfull and doesn't seem to pick up the gsm noises either |
| 05:08.51 | Proteous | don't know for sure on that last part yet |
| 05:17.44 | jaem | Proteous, there's an app in (devel? testing? -shrug) that apparently Boosts the Power (TM) |
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| 05:20.17 | Proteous | heh |
| 05:20.56 | hardaker | sigh... don't have enough disk space to install 'the' update... |
| 05:20.58 | hardaker | whimper. |
| 05:21.18 | jaem | hardaker, really? Are you doing this through apt, or HAM? |
| 05:21.36 | hardaker | HAM? I was doing it through the application manager. |
| 05:21.45 | hardaker | I haven't tried apt, but I thought about it. |
| 05:21.49 | jaem | hardaker, HAM==Hildon-Application-Manager |
| 05:21.52 | hardaker | ah. |
| 05:21.56 | hardaker | then HAM it is. |
| 05:22.11 | jaem | hardaker, I was asking because HAM handles downloads that don't fit in the package cache properly, whereas apt does not |
| 05:22.20 | hardaker | f / |
| 05:22.20 | hardaker | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 05:22.21 | hardaker | rootfs 233104 216532 12292 95% / |
| 05:22.24 | jaem | so if it was apt giving you the error, I was going to tell you that was why |
| 05:22.26 | Caesium | ouch. |
| 05:22.29 | jaem | eep |
| 05:22.32 | hardaker | heh. |
| 05:22.42 | hardaker | wonder where it went... that's the problem with a small file system. |
| 05:22.43 | jaem | do you have stuff from -devel installed, or just a heck of a lot of other stuff? |
| 05:22.44 | Caesium | rebooted recently? |
| 05:22.49 | jaem | that too |
| 05:22.50 | Caesium | icon cache can free up some. |
| 05:22.53 | hardaker | lots of stuff from -devel, of course ;-) |
| 05:22.56 | hardaker | and yes, that's a recent reboot. |
| 05:22.57 | jaem | hardaker, :) |
| 05:24.33 | hardaker | I keep meaning to write a perl or python script to list all packages and the space in / they take up. |
| 05:24.38 | hardaker | maybe now I'll be motivated. |
| 05:25.19 | jaem | hardaker, I'm pretty sure there already is one for *buntu or such |
| 05:25.23 | jaem | not sure what language, though |
| 05:25.30 | jaem | but I'm sure it's been done. multiple times |
| 05:25.41 | hardaker | yeah, but it needs to be somewhat specific to n900... ie, you need the partition info. |
| 05:25.46 | hardaker | me too. |
| 05:25.48 | jaem | oh, that |
| 05:25.49 | jaem | sorry - misread |
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| 05:26.15 | hardaker | there are a lot of things that do that generically.... (kflashlight or something was a popular one from kde) |
| 05:26.28 | jaem | filelight, you mean? |
| 05:26.34 | jaem | yeah, but I meant with apt |
| 05:26.35 | hardaker | that was it, yeah. |
| 05:27.00 | hardaker | anyway... gotta go tuck a kid into bed.... thanks for the sympothy. |
| 05:27.01 | jaem | hardaker, surprisingly, I actually like whatever GNOME's equivalent of that is better than Filelight, despite being a devoted KDE fan |
| 05:27.03 | hardaker | off to uninstall things. |
| 05:27.10 | jaem | better presentation of data, IMO |
| 05:27.11 | jaem | cheers |
| 05:27.12 | hardaker | jaem: I like whatever works! |
| 05:28.34 | lucent | Ovi store for N900 open finally huh |
| 05:28.39 | jaem | lucent, really? |
| 05:28.44 | jaem | goes to check it out |
| 05:28.48 | lucent | with the over-the-air update |
| 05:29.02 | lucent | and it doesn't work with the bookmark pre-installed on N900 |
| 05:29.09 | lucent | you must go to store.ovi.com or similar |
| 05:29.32 | lucent | it's open on the 11th, rebate deadline was the 8th |
| 05:29.37 | lucent | fan-freaky-tastic. |
| 05:29.44 | jaem | woo |
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| 05:36.04 | jaem | hmm... the Ovi store is shiny, but I'm not exactly sure why it's necessary, at least for apps |
| 05:36.15 | jaem | why not just make a shinier UI for HAM? Or am I missing something? |
| 05:36.35 | lucent | apps that cost money |
| 05:36.36 | lucent | I think |
| 05:36.48 | jaem | lucent, of which there are none yet, as far as I can see |
| 05:36.59 | jaem | and even so, with no DRM, how is that superior? |
| 05:37.07 | jaem | ...not that DRM would make it better, but just sayin' |
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| 05:37.45 | lucent | it's a market positioning thing to (my opinion) to compete with Apple |
| 05:37.45 | lucent | who bloody knows |
| 05:38.05 | lucent | it's there and I think a week too late for those of us US buyers who were promised a $50 prepaid VISA card rebate to sign up for Ovi store and mail our rebate form *before* the 8th Jan 2010 |
| 05:38.06 | jaem | lucent, that sounds reasonable |
| 05:38.20 | jaem | by which I mean that it sounds like something that they'd do, not that reason was involved |
| 05:38.53 | jaem | well, I'm sure they'll extend that... they look bad enough not having it out for launch without going back on that |
| 05:39.42 | lucent | It's too bad we don't have ringtone-per-contact |
| 05:39.57 | lucent | I want a "mute" ringtone option for this number that keeps robo-dialing me |
| 05:40.11 | lucent | it's annoying beyond reason. |
| 05:40.42 | jaem | lucent, too bad it's probably not a real number |
| 05:40.54 | jaem | otherwise you might be able to just script something back at them |
| 05:40.59 | lucent | jaem: it's T-Mobile's collections department dialing me |
| 05:41.03 | jaem | lucent, |
| 05:41.21 | lucent | I've tried, T-Mobile reps are helpless to stop it |
| 05:41.21 | jaem | lucent, ah... then that may not be a wise move, bill-wise |
| 05:41.24 | jaem | -snerk- |
| 05:41.32 | jaem | :( |
| 05:41.37 | lucent | they suggested I change my phone number! |
| 05:41.40 | lucent | the insanity. |
| 05:41.58 | jaem | lucent, wow... is it a third party contracted to do it, or T-Mo themselves? |
| 05:42.05 | lucent | best suggestion I had so far was to set my ringtone for that number to mute |
| 05:42.15 | jaem | I've gotten similar calls for someone that used to live in my house, and I know how you feel |
| 05:42.25 | lucent | it's an 877 toll free area code number dialing me and owned by T-Mobile |
| 05:42.39 | lcuk | hy is it dialing you tho |
| 05:42.39 | jaem | it probably took about 10 times of actually waiting to talk to a real person and telling them that the person didn't live there any more, before they gave up |
| 05:42.40 | jaem | gah |
| 05:42.43 | lcuk | what does it say |
| 05:42.55 | lucent | lcuk: T-Mobile has a bug in their collections system |
| 05:43.08 | lucent | thinks I'm overdue for a payment of service that hasn't occurred yet |
| 05:43.23 | jaem | lucent, bwahahaah... um, er, sorry ^^ |
| 05:43.27 | lucent | even the reps I talk to are like "SRSLY?! this succccks" |
| 05:43.33 | [Tycho] | There is no blacklisting in n900 ? |
| 05:43.49 | [Tycho] | Can you sue them ? |
| 05:44.26 | lucent | [Tycho]: cost of filing lawsuit? a lot of money here inUSA |
| 05:44.31 | Proteous | switch to google voice, then you can block them :) |
| 05:44.37 | lcuk | does not see the specifics |
| 05:44.39 | lucent | *in USA |
| 05:44.40 | lucent | it's not like um Germany or something |
| 05:44.51 | lcuk | but usually if its a robo machine and its misdialing you, it will be misdialing lots |
| 05:45.04 | Caesium | would like to start developing some phone feature apps but the lack of documentation is offputting |
| 05:45.10 | lucent | Proteous: not a bad idea actually |
| 05:45.18 | Caesium | stuff like return busy/forward to voicemail for certain numbers |
| 05:45.25 | [Tycho] | lucent, aren't those cost paid by losing side, not you ? |
| 05:45.27 | lcuk | lucent, contract payment timing issue |
| 05:45.28 | lucent | Proteous: does that require an internet connection? I only get EDGE and not very reliably |
| 05:45.42 | lucent | [Tycho]: cost is paid by the person filing the lawsuit |
| 05:45.46 | jaem | Caesium, I know what you mean. If you're really stuck, the source does often have the corporate addresses for the actual devs |
| 05:45.51 | Proteous | not for most of the functionality |
| 05:45.57 | jaem | the guy I contacted for a clarification was pretty helpful |
| 05:46.00 | Proteous | if you want to use SMS through google voice it does |
| 05:46.27 | Caesium | jaem: for instance, for that example I'm thinking I'd need to know via dbus when a call is incoming (I think I've seen the dbus for that) and how to tell the phone to forward it (which I haven't seen) |
| 05:46.35 | lucent | [Tycho]: you can file a lawsuit to recover the costs plus damages, but that takes literally years to go through the legal system, and then if it ever gets a judgement... you've paid hundreds of thousands in legal costs already beyond the settlement ammount |
| 05:46.47 | Caesium | but the phone app is closed source so that's a dead end? :( |
| 05:46.59 | jaem | Caesium, two things - firstly, there's a call forwarding app/widget/something in the repos |
| 05:47.02 | jaem | check if that's FOSS |
| 05:47.10 | lucent | Proteous: thanks for the advices :) |
| 05:47.18 | lcuk | lucent, or make the month payment and live happily ever after |
| 05:47.26 | jaem | secondly, these should help you with D-Bus: http://adrestia.creativemisconfiguration.com/files/ffejery/maemo/qt/ |
| 05:47.33 | jaem | happy birthday |
| 05:47.35 | lucent | lcuk: the payment for 2 months ahead of my current billing period? |
| 05:47.40 | lucent | no way |
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| 05:47.45 | jaem | be warned that the UI is really unsuited for the N900, though |
| 05:47.53 | lcuk | was on quarterly billing for ages |
| 05:48.28 | jaem | Caesium, the Qt packages aren't built with those tools by default, but qdbusviewer should be a lot of help |
| 05:48.37 | jaem | I threw them up there for that reason |
| 05:48.40 | Caesium | looking for that app, probably a good start |
| 05:48.53 | lucent | well anyhow I'd be interested in a workaround like Proteous says, and an update to allow me to call forward certain numbers to voicemail without ringing |
| 05:49.03 | Caesium | E: Unable to find a source package for callforwarding |
| 05:49.04 | Caesium | boo. |
| 05:49.05 | lcuk | jaem source for the package? |
| 05:49.09 | lcuk | errr app |
| 05:49.25 | jaem | to whoever was asking for BT tethering earlier, it's in -testing |
| 05:49.37 | jaem | lcuk, Caesium well, I doubt it's called that |
| 05:49.47 | Caesium | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.47 | Caesium | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.50 | Caesium | is that not the one you meant? |
| 05:49.54 | Caesium | that's 'callforwarding' |
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| 05:50.09 | jaem | Caesium, oh, sorry - missed what you said :P |
| 05:50.20 | jaem | Caesium, is this in sbox? |
| 05:50.25 | Caesium | no, on my device |
| 05:50.30 | Caesium | apt-get source callforwarding |
| 05:50.43 | jaem | Caesium, oh, yeah - the deb-src lines aren't in the sources.list on there |
| 05:50.46 | Caesium | oh maybe I need a deb-src line for testing |
| 05:50.50 | Caesium | I added my own for extras |
| 05:50.55 | Caesium | adds one for extras-testing too |
| 05:51.17 | jaem | Caesium, if you have a blog, consider posting some entry-level howtos on stuff like this |
| 05:51.28 | jaem | I've been meaning to for some of the BT stuff, in lieu of proper docs |
| 05:51.40 | Caesium | ooh there we go |
| 05:51.49 | Caesium | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 334853 Dec 16 17:33 callforwarding_0.3.1.tar.gz |
| 05:51.53 | Caesium | :) |
| 05:51.57 | Caesium | I'll see what that can tell me |
| 05:51.57 | jaem | also, tutorials on potentially popular things like that are helpful, even with good docs |
| 05:51.58 | jaem | yay |
| 05:53.13 | lucent | I don't really have a need to play beethoven sympthony when Ned Flanders calls |
| 05:53.21 | lucent | just mute certain incoming numbers or callforward to voicemail |
| 05:53.48 | Caesium | I'm wondering if quickly setting up divert when a problematic number is calling will work, then turning it off again once they've gone |
| 05:54.01 | tigert | GeneralAntilles: looking |
| 05:54.05 | tigert | interesting |
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| 05:55.10 | jaem | wazd, hi |
| 05:55.27 | wazd | jaem: heya |
| 05:55.33 | wazd | mornin all |
| 05:59.02 | RST38h | heya wazd |
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| 06:04.37 | wazd | RST38h: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/Mer_boot_4.avi <- check it out, I'm thinking of remaking this video as Marina theme bootsplash :) |
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| 06:05.48 | jaem | wazd, is there audio in that? |
| 06:06.31 | RST38h | wazd: caustic effects! |
| 06:07.13 | Caesium | grumble talk.maemo.org gave me a page fine a minute ago, now it won't for love nor money |
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| 06:09.15 | wazd_e63 | hmm, wireless irc client is kinda cool |
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| 06:09.45 | RST38h | heh |
| 06:10.10 | Caesium | lucent: if you can get it to load, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=465403 may be of interest |
| 06:10.12 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: it has nick auto completion! |
| 06:10.13 | Caesium | discussion about a call rejector |
| 06:10.40 | wazd | jaem: not yet |
| 06:10.52 | wazd | jaem: but I'm thinking about it :) |
| 06:11.14 | lucent | Caesium: looking at the link now, thanks |
| 06:11.44 | Caesium | can't tell if a working app came out of it because I only got to look at page 3 of the discussion, now it won't load anymore |
| 06:12.02 | Caesium | but a simple python app might be enough from what I saw, just a couple of dbus methods |
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| 06:12.12 | lucent | t.m.o on fire? |
| 06:12.51 | Proteous | didn't t.m.o just upgrade to a n900? |
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| 06:14.13 | jaem | Proteous, yeah, but garage is still waiting for them to retire an N800 |
| 06:14.14 | jaem | :) |
| 06:14.20 | Proteous | I see ;) |
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| 06:14.41 | jaem | disclaimer: I have no issue with garage personally - I just think the joke is funny |
| 06:14.45 | Undrwater | do the n900 calendar alarms vibrate? |
| 06:14.52 | lcuk | yes |
| 06:15.06 | jaem | Undrwater, clock alarms also override mute, I believe |
| 06:15.09 | jaem | calendar alarms don't |
| 06:15.18 | jaem | that may be configurable |
| 06:15.28 | lcuk | yes, its called dont set an alarm |
| 06:15.37 | Undrwater | jaem: but they do vibrate for events / appointments? |
| 06:15.38 | jaem | the rationale, I suppose, is that clock alarms are actual *alarms*, as opposed to "reminders" |
| 06:15.42 | jaem | Undrwater, yes |
| 06:15.47 | tigert | yea |
| 06:15.47 | jaem | depending on your profile settings |
| 06:15.53 | Undrwater | good |
| 06:16.19 | tigert | and theres pretty regular usecase for muting phone for night |
| 06:16.23 | Undrwater | oh! voice recording? voice notes? any apps for that...or a nice hardware button? |
| 06:16.30 | tigert | and still wanting to wakeup at 7am |
| 06:16.31 | Proteous | if you set a clock alarm to go off when you are in a meeting you get what you deserver for being dumb |
| 06:16.35 | Caesium | there is a voice recording app in extras, yes |
| 06:16.37 | jaem | Undrwater, yeah, that's one thing that annoyed me with the N810, which I previously used for calendaring |
| 06:16.39 | Undrwater | tigert: via accellerometers? |
| 06:16.57 | tigert | Undrwater: not via accelerometers automatically |
| 06:17.01 | tigert | that would be bad |
| 06:17.10 | tigert | imagine ther phone in your backpack |
| 06:17.28 | Undrwater | tigert: face down = dnd |
| 06:17.33 | tigert | it would silence accidentally too easily when you toss the bag on your bed after work |
| 06:17.50 | tigert | but it silences incoming calls like that |
| 06:17.52 | Undrwater | but only between 10:00pm and 6:00am |
| 06:18.08 | tigert | if you get a call, flip it face down to silence |
| 06:18.09 | lcuk | never puts device facedown |
| 06:18.11 | Undrwater | nice |
| 06:18.41 | Undrwater | lcuk: dun wanna dis your device? |
| 06:18.44 | lcuk | tigert, held facedown or have to put it on desk like you hung up |
| 06:18.52 | tigert | i guess it would be easy to hack a tool to switch profiles based on time of day |
| 06:18.58 | jaem | tigert, one would hope |
| 06:19.02 | tigert | maybe hook this via alarm framework even |
| 06:19.03 | jaem | that would actually be pretty cool |
| 06:19.22 | Undrwater | we talked about it for OM...slow going :P |
| 06:19.26 | lcuk | Undrwater, its just risking random scratches |
| 06:19.27 | tigert | but the problem with automatic shit is, how much is too much? |
| 06:19.44 | Undrwater | tigert: like kde? |
| 06:19.51 | Proteous | when it cooks me breakfast then it's almost too much |
| 06:19.53 | Proteous | but not quite |
| 06:19.57 | Undrwater | :D |
| 06:20.03 | lcuk | speaking of which, i absent mindedly picked up my "stylus" and was about an inch away from writing something |
| 06:20.05 | jaem | tigert, I know what you mean... for some things, I feel better if I can just open vim and mess with things with the assurance that the config won't magically change on me |
| 06:20.05 | tigert | heh |
| 06:20.12 | lcuk | before i realised it was the tweezers |
| 06:20.17 | jaem | lcuk, :O |
| 06:20.17 | Proteous | heh |
| 06:20.26 | tigert | yeah |
| 06:20.42 | goodwill | lcuk: there is a bright side to this |
| 06:20.45 | tigert | lcuk: :) |
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| 06:20.48 | goodwill | lcuk: it was not a steak flag |
| 06:20.56 | goodwill | flag=knife |
| 06:21.05 | Undrwater | BT headset works well? |
| 06:21.07 | tigert | or a stick of superglue |
| 06:21.19 | tigert | Undrwater: yes |
| 06:21.28 | lcuk | tho on the upside, i got a highscore with n900fly |
| 06:21.34 | jaem | lcuk, >_< |
| 06:21.35 | lcuk | :O tt |
| 06:21.37 | tigert | Undrwater: ask konttori_nokia |
| 06:21.43 | jaem | I hope you were doing this in a foam pit :P |
| 06:21.50 | tigert | Undrwater: he has this nice nokia bt stereo headset |
| 06:21.51 | Undrwater | tigert: regarding BT? |
| 06:21.58 | tigert | with his own headphones |
| 06:21.59 | jaem | heads off to the gymnastics center ;) |
| 06:22.01 | lcuk | jaem, you not gonna ask |
| 06:22.05 | lcuk | how high |
| 06:22.10 | jaem | lcuk, *sigh* how high |
| 06:22.13 | lcuk | :D |
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| 06:22.20 | Undrwater | tigert: how bout that in-car BT support thingy? pbab? |
| 06:22.21 | lcuk | 2.51m o_O |
| 06:22.29 | jaem | lcuk, >_< |
| 06:22.29 | tigert | lcuk: hehe |
| 06:22.35 | lcuk | encased inside my sleeping bag tho |
| 06:22.39 | jaem | Undrwater, not sure - there's a bug |
| 06:22.43 | tigert | N900Fly tournament? ;) |
| 06:22.45 | jaem | or at least, it turned into a bug about that |
| 06:22.58 | lcuk | tigert, indeed, i put it in the middle of my bag |
| 06:23.03 | jaem | Undrwater, it started off with people moaning about the N900 not supporting a non-standard HFP extension |
| 06:23.04 | jaem | lol |
| 06:23.06 | lcuk | after i banged it on one of first attempts |
| 06:23.09 | tigert | lcuk: dude DUDE |
| 06:23.10 | lcuk | on the ceiling |
| 06:23.34 | lcuk | :$ |
| 06:23.34 | tigert | lcuk: this SO needs to be done in a model rocket with parachute recovery |
| 06:23.38 | tigert | imagine! |
| 06:23.42 | lcuk | :D:D:D lardman does rockets |
| 06:23.58 | tigert | "1854m" |
| 06:23.58 | lcuk | trebucet would get the flight time |
| 06:24.02 | Undrwater | is lardman part of this community? |
| 06:24.04 | lcuk | hahaha |
| 06:24.05 | Caesium | tigert: wouldn't that mess with the reading? I thought it used freefall condition to measur height :P |
| 06:24.06 | tigert | =) |
| 06:24.06 | jaem | lcuk, what's the accel range on the chip? |
| 06:24.07 | lcuk | yes |
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| 06:24.19 | lcuk | out of this world |
| 06:24.20 | Proteous | I get my tmobile sim tomorrow, if the data connection even works at all around 2pm then it is automaticly better then ATT |
| 06:24.24 | jaem | does anyone know offhand which IC it is? |
| 06:24.28 | jaem | or at least who makes it? |
| 06:24.28 | tigert | Caesium: there is acceleration when you therow it too |
| 06:24.30 | lcuk | Caesium, yeah it does |
| 06:24.35 | lcuk | hence rockets not perfect |
| 06:24.36 | Undrwater | many zaurus users here? |
| 06:24.37 | goodwill | ovi store works pretty well |
| 06:25.04 | Caesium | someone should take an N900 skydiving with n900fly loaded :P |
| 06:25.09 | tigert | lcuk: even throwing the device created positive G |
| 06:25.15 | jaem | I'll be back later... poke me if you need to |
| 06:25.19 | lcuk | Caesium, yeah! |
| 06:25.28 | tigert | does it measure the fall or the rise? |
| 06:25.37 | Proteous | the fall |
| 06:25.44 | Proteous | useless to measure the rise |
| 06:26.03 | Proteous | unless you are trying to stop people from dropping it off their roof for a high score I guess |
| 06:26.13 | BirdFlew | python is amazing... i've gone from never having seen an example of its source code to writing a functional gps coordinate uploader in two hours :-D |
| 06:26.22 | Proteous | nice |
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| 06:26.24 | Caesium | nice one :) |
| 06:26.25 | rkc_ | anybody using xchat for this irc? |
| 06:26.29 | Shadikka | BirdFlew: Isn't it? <3 |
| 06:26.33 | Proteous | *cough*irssi*cough* |
| 06:26.41 | flux | hmm, it doesn't measure both the rise and fall? |
| 06:26.49 | Proteous | I don't know, just speculating |
| 06:26.57 | Undrwater | Proteous: you're not using irssi?? |
| 06:27.00 | lcuk | BirdFlew, so we can tell if you fly south for the winter? and if you do, could you install n900fly too :D |
| 06:27.01 | Proteous | I am |
| 06:27.08 | Undrwater | on the phone? |
| 06:27.16 | rkc_ | nope.. on ubuntu |
| 06:27.18 | Proteous | by proxy |
| 06:27.24 | Undrwater | ahh... |
| 06:27.29 | Proteous | sshed into my server running a screen session with irssi |
| 06:27.33 | BirdFlew | i'm already south for the winter mate, in australia |
| 06:27.48 | BirdFlew | and it's very, very far from winter now |
| 06:27.50 | Undrwater | that's lovely...doing this from my phone! :) |
| 06:27.56 | Proteous | :) |
| 06:28.08 | Proteous | the return key doesn't work in mutt though :/ |
| 06:28.15 | rkc_ | Undrwater:which client do u use? |
| 06:28.16 | |R | Has mymenu any chance of interfering with future updates (PR1.[12) ? |
| 06:28.24 | Proteous | gotta see what I can do about that |
| 06:28.42 | Undrwater | rkc_: for phone? |
| 06:28.53 | rkc_ | i am trying to use xchat.. but it doesnot connect tot he irc server |
| 06:29.04 | rkc_ | irc.freenode.net/8001 is my server setting |
| 06:29.20 | Proteous | why 8001? |
| 06:29.23 | Undrwater | rkc_: for most things i use pidgin...phone is openmoko...considering move to n900 |
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| 06:29.46 | Undrwater | i used irssi when i had a server |
| 06:29.49 | rkc_ | Undrwater: I am trying to setup in my linux desktop |
| 06:29.59 | BirdFlew | rkc_, i'm using xchat |
| 06:30.20 | rkc_ | BirdFlew: Please tell me your server settings |
| 06:30.24 | Undrwater | rkc_: how are you talking to us? |
| 06:30.41 | rkc_ | webchat.freenode.net |
| 06:30.43 | rkc_ | :) |
| 06:30.49 | Undrwater | ahh |
| 06:31.30 | rkc_ | any help? |
| 06:31.31 | pupnik | nokia provides what openmoko lacked |
| 06:31.38 | BirdFlew | irc.freenode.net, which redirects to chat.freenode.net:6667 |
| 06:32.21 | Proteous | rkc_ try not using port 8001 |
| 06:32.31 | lucent | Proteous: wait until they turn collections robo-dial on your account |
| 06:32.31 | BirdFlew | freenode was simply already on a preloaded list of servers in xchat |
| 06:32.38 | rkc_ | then what si the port to use, Proteous? |
| 06:32.39 | phr | talk.maemo.org down ? |
| 06:32.42 | Proteous | lucent: heh |
| 06:32.48 | lucent | Proteous: oh except that you have a workaround - Google Voice :) |
| 06:32.52 | RST38h | once again considers making xchat autojoin #maemo by default |
| 06:33.10 | Proteous | rkc_: don't specify a port and it will use the standard irc port of 6667 |
| 06:33.24 | rkc_ | BirdFlew: yes.. i found that and tried configuring with chat.freenode.net:6667 |
| 06:33.25 | lucent | Proteous: FYI I moved from being a longer-than-5-years customer of AT&T (formerly Cingular) toward T-Mobile |
| 06:33.28 | Undrwater | is skype already on the n900? or is that future? |
| 06:33.38 | phr | included i think |
| 06:33.40 | lucent | Undrwater: Skype is "integrated" |
| 06:33.41 | BirdFlew | phr: yeah i'm having trouble reaching it |
| 06:33.41 | Proteous | lucent: ATTs data has really got to shit in my town |
| 06:33.52 | Proteous | lucent: it doesn't really work at all during the day |
| 06:33.56 | BirdFlew | rkc_: no luck? |
| 06:33.59 | Undrwater | lucent: does that mean anything? ;) |
| 06:34.01 | lucent | Proteous: yuck about that |
| 06:34.05 | rkc_ | BirdFlew: nop luck |
| 06:34.12 | lucent | Undrwater: well it's not a full Skype client |
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| 06:34.21 | Proteous | lucent: I blame all the iphone users |
| 06:34.28 | rkc_ | do i need nicksever password? |
| 06:34.30 | BirdFlew | rkc_: can you connect to any other irc servers? |
| 06:34.32 | Proteous | rkc_: no |
| 06:34.33 | rkc_ | and server password_ |
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| 06:34.35 | BirdFlew | nah |
| 06:34.36 | Proteous | rkc_: no |
| 06:34.45 | rkc_ | BirdFlew: no.. |
| 06:34.54 | lucent | Undrwater: I can't find out how to initiate a text chat with multiple Skype users from the N900, but if one is initiated and a participant speaks, you can participate and talk with them |
| 06:34.54 | Undrwater | lucent: what's it missing? |
| 06:34.56 | Proteous | sounds like a network/firewall problem |
| 06:35.29 | rkc_ | Proteous: looks like.. how can i check whether some program is blocking me to use that? |
| 06:35.33 | Undrwater | lucent: video support? |
| 06:35.36 | lucent | Undrwater: authorizing contacts to see your online presence after-the-fact is not really exposed, so I don't know if it can be done |
| 06:35.45 | lucent | Undrwater: don't know about video call support |
| 06:35.53 | Proteous | rkc_: uh |
| 06:35.53 | BirdFlew | as a side note, anyone know a shortcut key for nick completion in xchat? N900 has no tab key :-( |
| 06:36.10 | lucent | Undrwater: I know that the kernel driver for the forward facing webcam hardware on the N900 is mis-configuring the hardware |
| 06:36.15 | lucent | it looks very very badly |
| 06:36.19 | lucent | unusable for anything |
| 06:36.23 | Proteous | rkc_: answering that would require lots of details about your setup that I don't have time to get into now |
| 06:36.23 | Undrwater | ouch |
| 06:36.52 | rkc_ | Proteous: thats fine.. no problem.. I will check out here |
| 06:36.58 | Caesium | BirdFlew: try shift-space? (semi-random guess) |
| 06:36.59 | lucent | Undrwater: Skype voice dialing is just like any other option when calling a contact, it works |
| 06:37.18 | Undrwater | rkc_: start xchat from the command line and see if it's telling you anything useful |
| 06:37.40 | Undrwater | lucent: that's nice...how about SIP? any good clients? |
| 06:37.44 | BirdFlew | Caesium: thanks, it worked |
| 06:37.47 | lucent | Undrwater: like, "Don't pet a burning dog. Now starting xchat..." |
| 06:37.56 | BirdFlew | :-) |
| 06:38.00 | Undrwater | hehee |
| 06:38.26 | Undrwater | considers re-doing his asterisk box |
| 06:38.57 | lucent | Undrwater: I haven't tried SIP dialing but that too is integrated |
| 06:38.59 | Proteous | drink more ovaltine |
| 06:39.18 | lucent | SIP, Skype, and cellular calls are all options when dialing a contact |
| 06:39.29 | Proteous | SIP MORE OVALTINE! |
| 06:39.37 | Proteous | I've actualy never had ovaltine |
| 06:39.41 | Proteous | wonder if it's gross |
| 06:39.49 | Undrwater | huh...add $100 for a decent fxo,fxs card |
| 06:39.57 | Undrwater | Proteous: i used to love it |
| 06:40.06 | lucent | notices Proteous growing out "Annie orphan" hairstyle |
| 06:40.11 | Undrwater | back when i loved anything sweet |
| 06:40.28 | Proteous | lucent: and my eyes are slowly losing their pupils |
| 06:40.40 | lcuk | RST38h, doesnt the nick need configuring too |
| 06:40.51 | Proteous | nick huh |
| 06:40.54 | Undrwater | finally...ATT users happy with n900? |
| 06:41.07 | Proteous | ? |
| 06:41.11 | lcuk | good idea tho if you can get reasonable nick first |
| 06:41.25 | Proteous | I'm an ATT user and I am happy with my n900 but I am not happy with ATT |
| 06:41.37 | lucent | +1 for Pro |
| 06:41.44 | lucent | stabs irssi client |
| 06:41.44 | Proteous | tomorrow I will not be and ATT user |
| 06:41.46 | Undrwater | Proteous: i was going to make sure that the reverse was NOT the question ;) |
| 06:41.52 | Proteous | heh |
| 06:42.02 | Undrwater | Proteous: moving to tmobile? |
| 06:42.13 | Proteous | yeah |
| 06:42.17 | loft306 | :) |
| 06:42.23 | Undrwater | reasons? |
| 06:42.25 | lucent | I'm not happy with T-mobile robo-dialing me to collect payment |
| 06:42.33 | Proteous | gonna ride the $10 unlimited data plan for as long as they let me |
| 06:42.37 | lucent | ...at 7AM |
| 06:42.42 | loft306 | lol lucent that is a pita |
| 06:42.46 | Proteous | Undrwater: becuase ATT data is broken in my town |
| 06:42.55 | Undrwater | Proteous: what town? |
| 06:43.07 | Proteous | Undrwater: and undisclosed location in California |
| 06:43.13 | Proteous | s/and/an/ |
| 06:43.23 | Proteous | north of san fancisco |
| 06:43.38 | Proteous | man, my typing is horrible today |
| 06:43.45 | Undrwater | Proteous: ahh, ok...i'm socal, but i can't afford data anyway |
| 06:43.59 | lucent | Proteous: I'm doing exactly this with T-Mobile, it's an "FlexPay Even More Plus 500" plan and then I add $10/mo unlimited internet access, total after taxes is $45.06/mo |
| 06:44.10 | Proteous | lucent: yeah, that's what I got |
| 06:44.14 | Undrwater | kills me that i can't buy a smart phone without data |
| 06:44.27 | Proteous | lucent: dont' really talk much, 500 minutes is fine for me |
| 06:44.49 | Undrwater | lucent: that include sms? |
| 06:44.49 | lucent | Proteous: there's a line control charge $5/mo so you can get that waived if you're signed up for automatic payment ("EasyPay") |
| 06:44.54 | Proteous | lucent: they hid the flexpay options, had to hunt around on howardforums for the direct link to it |
| 06:44.55 | lucent | no SMS here |
| 06:45.06 | Proteous | lucent: yeah, I signed up for the autopay |
| 06:45.21 | Undrwater | lucent: for real? |
| 06:45.32 | lucent | Proteous: trying to sign up for flexpay was a freaking nightmare here, lucky you found a direct link |
| 06:45.50 | Undrwater | lucent: your teenagers must be outraged |
| 06:45.51 | lucent | "Sir, your credit score is too good, I cannot sign you up for FlexPay" |
| 06:46.04 | Proteous | lucent: it was still sorta annoying, for the non flexplay EMP plan you could get a sim only, they didn't have the option for flexpay EMP |
| 06:46.22 | lucent | Undrwater: I've never had a need for SMS, that whole concept eludes me to this day. |
| 06:46.25 | luke-jr | teenagers have no business making cell phone calls to anyone other than family |
| 06:46.26 | Proteous | lucent: had to by a $40 nokia phone |
| 06:46.34 | Proteous | buy |
| 06:46.38 | lucent | Proteous: yuck? :P |
| 06:46.52 | Proteous | heh, guess it's good as a backup once I can pawn my n97 off on someone... |
| 06:47.20 | Proteous | (still bitter about buying a n97 right before the n900 came out) |
| 06:47.21 | Undrwater | not sure how it goes anywhere else, but socal teens have their noses in their phones texting all day....even when around their friends |
| 06:47.49 | Proteous | if I want to deal with switching everyone over to using my google voice number I can text for free though google voice |
| 06:47.56 | Undrwater | anyone here wanna buy an openmoko? |
| 06:47.59 | Undrwater | :) |
| 06:47.59 | Proteous | heh |
| 06:48.02 | luke-jr | Undrwater: for the right price |
| 06:48.14 | Proteous | I have a n810 floating around too... |
| 06:48.19 | Undrwater | not sure what the right price is... |
| 06:48.22 | lucent | N900 is not the ultimate or anything near it |
| 06:48.31 | Proteous | lucent: yes it is! |
| 06:48.36 | lucent | Maemo is just very nice, the best I've seen for a mobile device OS |
| 06:48.44 | Proteous | lucent: you prefer something with winmo on it? |
| 06:48.47 | lucent | N900 runs Maemo. That's a deal maker for me |
| 06:48.50 | luke-jr | Undrwater: which phone? |
| 06:49.05 | Undrwater | luke-jr: a5 w/ buzzfix |
| 06:49.16 | Undrwater | gta02 |
| 06:49.19 | Proteous | lucent: the n900 still has teh new phone glow on it |
| 06:49.25 | luke-jr | Proteous: software can be replaced wben/if someone finally releases a phoen that runs real Linux |
| 06:49.26 | Proteous | for me anyway |
| 06:49.51 | Undrwater | luke-jr: maemo is not real linux? |
| 06:50.15 | luke-jr | no, Maemo uses a fork/branch off Linux for now |
| 06:50.17 | Proteous | Undrwater: if Linus didn't write it himself it's not real linux |
| 06:50.25 | Proteous | :P |
| 06:50.32 | luke-jr | Proteous: Linus doesn't write much really, just maintains the tree |
| 06:50.35 | Proteous | I know :) |
| 06:50.44 | Proteous | more like a gatekeeper nowdays |
| 06:50.44 | lucent | Proteous: at the moment my N900 lacks functionality that I frequently used on my Nokia 6112 |
| 06:50.48 | Undrwater | kernel is not from upstream? |
| 06:50.59 | luke-jr | Undrwater: I almost got a pair Freerunner + Neo1973 off ebay for $125 combined. |
| 06:51.20 | luke-jr | Undrwater: kernel has roots upstream, but no, it isn't vanilla upstream |
| 06:51.23 | Proteous | lucent: is the 6112 a s60 phone? |
| 06:51.49 | lucent | Proteous: Yeah, great guess too... well it's symbian I think whatever AT&T's GoPhones are |
| 06:51.55 | Undrwater | luke-jr: that's scary...maybe more valuable to keep it |
| 06:52.01 | luke-jr | Undrwater: >_< |
| 06:52.23 | Undrwater | i'll use it as my asterisk box |
| 06:52.24 | lucent | Proteous: strictly talking about using this as a phone, the N900 is kind of low on the usefulness ladder |
| 06:52.58 | luke-jr | Undrwater: fact is, however, there is not a single pocket device that mainline runs on AFAIK |
| 06:52.58 | Undrwater | lucent: how do you qualify that statement? |
| 06:53.00 | luke-jr | at least not of the current generation |
| 06:53.26 | Proteous | lucent: what features are you missing on the n900? |
| 06:53.32 | Undrwater | luke-jr: i believe zaurus is now mainlined ;) |
| 06:53.47 | luke-jr | Undrwater: yes, that's like 3 or 4 generations old now though: ) |
| 06:53.53 | Undrwater | but you're right...current generation |
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| 06:54.13 | Undrwater | don't call my Tosa OLD!! >:( |
| 06:54.19 | lucent | Undrwater: battery capacity not enough to keep me going all day without having to stop for a charge, bluetooth requires more keypresses, no ringtone-per-contact |
| 06:54.45 | luke-jr | and unfortunately, the alternative to Maemo is Android, which is ever further from mainline -.- |
| 06:54.46 | lucent | volume button inconsistencies make me absolutely frustrated |
| 06:55.06 | Proteous | heh |
| 06:55.08 | Undrwater | lucent: what's with the BT and keypresses? |
| 06:55.16 | lucent | switching ringtone profiles from hardware keys |
| 06:55.24 | Undrwater | luke-jr: there's webOS too |
| 06:56.07 | Undrwater | is there voice recognition on the n900? |
| 06:56.35 | Termana_n810 | luke-jr - the SmartQ 5 (Samsung S3C6410) has been mainlined in .32 - untested, but it there and compiles |
| 06:56.35 | lucent | the N900 is not a terribly good phone, that's all I am getting at |
| 06:56.37 | Termana_n810 | its* |
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| 06:57.01 | lucent | I absolutely love using Maemo on the N900 though |
| 06:57.33 | Undrwater | my busted up treo is still in use :P |
| 06:58.03 | lucent | is t.m.org under some kind of attack? |
| 06:58.06 | Proteous | lucent: I haven't had my n900 long enough to figure out what functions are missing |
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| 06:58.38 | Proteous | lucent: but the phone functionality only has to be passable to please me, I value the internet tablet part more |
| 06:58.38 | Undrwater | raster is partnering with samsung |
| 06:59.03 | BirdFlew | ditto, Proteous |
| 06:59.03 | lucent | Proteous: agreed, same here |
| 06:59.21 | Proteous | lucent: I was totaly blown away with how user friendly and just all around amazing the contact manager was |
| 06:59.42 | tigert | luke-jr: I thought most linux distros ship a tuned/customized kernel |
| 06:59.48 | lucent | contact manager needs some kind of accelerometer hack to scroll faster |
| 06:59.55 | BirdFlew | and the internet functionality makes my previous winmo device look very clunky by comparison |
| 06:59.58 | lucent | and portrait mode to show more per screenfull |
| 07:00.19 | tigert | lucent: N900 is not a smartphone like the symbian ones |
| 07:00.26 | tigert | its a small computer that also does phone stuff |
| 07:00.30 | Proteous | I imported my contacts from my sim card and went through them to clean them up and every time I though, "you know, it sure would be nice if I could say, switch this number from cell to home without copying it and pasting it into the other field... Oh shit, I can" |
| 07:00.50 | lucent | tigert: In that context, it's really a great device :) |
| 07:00.53 | Proteous | there were a bunch of similar things like that |
| 07:00.55 | Undrwater | tigert: distros may patch the kernel...wich goes back to mainline...forked kernel patches don't make it back |
| 07:00.56 | tigert | lucent: yeah |
| 07:01.04 | luke-jr | Termana_n810: including board data? |
| 07:01.10 | tigert | lucent: I missed the per-contact ringtone stuff too, |
| 07:01.13 | tigert | but then again, wtf |
| 07:01.18 | tigert | :) |
| 07:01.22 | lucent | :) |
| 07:01.27 | luke-jr | tigert: most distros ship a custom kernel, but still work with vanilla. |
| 07:01.28 | lucent | the UI approach would be so easy |
| 07:01.35 | tigert | wouldnt switch back to my N95 just for that |
| 07:01.39 | lucent | add a contact detail that is the ringtoone |
| 07:01.44 | Proteous | lucent: I'm sure they will add that functionality soon |
| 07:01.45 | BirdFlew | i'm still stoked by the little things, like that i was able to head down to the local cafe, have a cappachino and return home without leaving this irc session. freedom is a wonderful thing |
| 07:01.45 | luke-jr | Termana_n810: regardless, the definition I use for 'handheld' includes a keyboard |
| 07:01.55 | tigert | luke-jr: well, if you have a stock PC a vanilla kernel might make sense |
| 07:02.06 | luke-jr | tigert: there is no such thing as a stock PC |
| 07:02.11 | tigert | luke-jr: if you have a pretty specialized hw setup you usually build your own anyway |
| 07:02.12 | Proteous | coming from my n97, the browser on the n900 is fucking amazing |
| 07:02.14 | Termana_n810 | luke-jr, board data as in specifications for the board? |
| 07:02.15 | phr | anyone know anything about programming the high-res camera, i.e. is there a documented interface to /dev/camera or some such ? |
| 07:02.15 | luke-jr | handhelds are far more stock than other PCs |
| 07:02.20 | tigert | luke-jr: a self-built kernel is not stock either :) |
| 07:02.25 | luke-jr | Termana_n810: as in the .c file that defines the device |
| 07:02.34 | lucent | phr: directly? or via Video4Linux2 |
| 07:02.44 | tigert | luke-jr: you mean you never used any non-upstream kernel driver or stuff for your custom hardware piece? |
| 07:02.54 | Undrwater | depends on how you define "self-built" |
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| 07:03.08 | tigert | luke-jr: of course we tuned the kernel so it works the best we can make it work |
| 07:03.16 | luke-jr | tigert: I don't create hardware. I don't buy hardware unless it's already supported upstream, or I have reason to believe will be. |
| 07:03.26 | phr | lucent, hmm, i hadn't thought about v4l, main thing is i want to be able to read images without running some app that records them to flash |
| 07:03.35 | BirdFlew | Proteous: if i may suggest a *shudder* microsoft product... outlook migrated my contacts from a previous device complete with pictures and extra fields |
| 07:03.52 | Termana_n810 | luke-jr, Yes none of it is closed source, its always been open source, it just got merged from samsungs kernel |
| 07:03.55 | luke-jr | tigert: 'we'? |
| 07:04.01 | BirdFlew | sim card transfer can lose those extra details |
| 07:04.04 | tigert | luke-jr: I work for nokia |
| 07:04.05 | lucent | phr: pretty sure it's via v4l and /dev/videoN |
| 07:04.13 | luke-jr | Termana_n810: just because it is open does not imply it can be easily merged. good for them |
| 07:04.15 | tigert | lucent: just not in the kernel though |
| 07:04.28 | tigert | lucent: been hacking the theme template stuff |
| 07:04.33 | luke-jr | tigert: I see. |
| 07:04.50 | lucent | phr: 'mbarcode' package provides an example of using the rear facing 5.0MP camera to capture frames and detect barcodes |
| 07:04.55 | Proteous | BirdFlew: I didn't have any of that stuff setup in my previous device, cause the interface to do that shit on my previous device made me want to shoot myself |
| 07:05.00 | Undrwater | tigert: is the company excited about this device? |
| 07:05.08 | tigert | Undrwater: I am :D |
| 07:05.13 | luke-jr | tigert: well, Mameo's kernel is far from merely 'tuned'; real/mainline/Linus's/upstream Linux will not run on it, and in the case of the N810 will probably never do so at the current rate |
| 07:05.37 | tigert | Undrwater: I cannot speak for a company of course |
| 07:05.41 | phr | lucent, hmm, that sounds interesting, maybe i can adapt it |
| 07:05.43 | phr | thanks |
| 07:05.47 | tigert | but we love our own puppy of course |
| 07:05.54 | phr | it's v4l for both video and still modes? |
| 07:06.10 | luke-jr | tigert: not to mention the GPL-workaround of putting drivers in userland to close them up. |
| 07:06.21 | phr | is autofocus built into the camera or is there software required? |
| 07:06.42 | tigert | luke-jr: yeah |
| 07:07.19 | tigert | luke-jr: if you ask me, I am much of a freesoftware guy anyway |
| 07:07.29 | lucent | phr: I don't know |
| 07:07.30 | tigert | but I can understand there might be reasons for this kind of stuff |
| 07:07.30 | luke-jr | tigert: anyhow, I have little trust for Nokia as a result of my N810 purchase which turned out to be false advertising as far as I'm concerned. probably won't buy any more handhelds without personally verifying the code for them exists in a mainlinable form. |
| 07:08.10 | tigert | but keep argumenting in a sensible way towards the people working with the licensing area and things can change |
| 07:08.24 | luke-jr | tigert: for the 3D, I can understand; that half is normally userland anyway |
| 07:08.33 | Termana_n810 | luke-jr, then it justs too bad the smartq's dont have keyboards - otherwise they would be perfect for you |
| 07:08.38 | tigert | luke-jr: openness is a continuous effort in a big organisation |
| 07:08.40 | Termana_n810 | just* |
| 07:08.44 | Termana_n810 | its* |
| 07:09.00 | luke-jr | Termana_n810: indeed. or Nexus One. ;) |
| 07:09.13 | luke-jr | though the latter has Android cruft in its way of merging |
| 07:09.35 | luke-jr | but I would hope since it's the first device with 512 MB RAM, someone might get around that anyway |
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| 07:10.26 | Termana_n810 | luke-jr, i thought the Nexus One only had an onscreen keyboard? |
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| 07:10.47 | luke-jr | Termana_n810: right, but we were talking in theory of "too bad there's no keyboard" :P |
| 07:10.55 | BirdFlew | is there any way to turn off automatic capitalisation in pygteditor? |
| 07:11.03 | phr | lucent, thanks, i'll see if i can find some docs about it |
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| 07:18.44 | luke-jr | pretty much, in this case :) |
| 07:18.52 | luke-jr | 512 MB is so much more useful than 256 MB |
| 07:18.56 | BirdFlew | or cpu... snapdragon sounds nice |
| 07:19.06 | lucent | N900 hardware lacks host usb support, and lacks multi-touch screen |
| 07:19.25 | lucent | resistive / capacitive is not the problem for the screen |
| 07:19.27 | luke-jr | QSD is really only a minor step up from OMAP3 |
| 07:19.28 | BirdFlew | i think you can do usb host with n900? |
| 07:19.43 | lucent | BirdFlew: show me, please? |
| 07:19.46 | luke-jr | BirdFlew: no |
| 07:19.48 | phr | the 800/810 had usb otg but they apparently got rid of it in the 900 |
| 07:19.52 | BirdFlew | got an app which claims to do that... haven't tested it though |
| 07:19.58 | luke-jr | lucent: for resistive screens, multitouch is a software issue |
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| 07:20.11 | sleipnir | i don't get why ppl want multitouch... have you guys ever tried to place more than one finger on a 3.5" screen? |
| 07:20.17 | gandhii | i think i just saw an app in gthe list for usb hosting |
| 07:20.20 | luke-jr | BirdFlew: it would probably require external hardware |
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| 07:20.27 | Undrwater | lucent: eh? no usb host on n900? |
| 07:20.29 | lucent | luke-jr: are you suggesting that the N900 could be multi-touch enabled with only a software update? |
| 07:20.38 | luke-jr | lucent: in theory. |
| 07:20.56 | luke-jr | lucent: IIRC, there is a patent |
| 07:21.05 | lucent | last I researched, it sounded like host usb and multi-touch were blocked by a lack of wires being connected etc. |
| 07:21.15 | lcuk | the theory would be pretty exceptional, you can do limited 2 touch and preconfigured hotzones |
| 07:21.29 | Undrwater | i remember the early adverts touted usb host |
| 07:21.36 | Termana_n810 | luke-jr - i can't remember the name of it, but if we're talking about the same thing, i thought that didn't work very well. |
| 07:22.04 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJWvvn_cePM |
| 07:22.11 | gandhii | i'm no fan of iphone.. but 2 person air hockey was a good use of multitouch |
| 07:22.19 | lucent | sleipnir: using the touch screen as a musical input controller is a "killer app" |
| 07:22.23 | luke-jr | Termana_n810: no idea, only read about it |
| 07:22.40 | BirdFlew | ah.. program was called usbcontrol, according to a talk thread it's no real use |
| 07:22.45 | lcuk | Termana_n810, luke-jr video i just posted |
| 07:22.58 | luke-jr | lcuk: it's Youtube. :P |
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| 07:23.11 | lcuk | and? |
| 07:23.13 | gandhii | music pda apps have been around since palm os |
| 07:23.17 | luke-jr | = Flash = non-Free |
| 07:23.32 | tigert | luke-jr: become a hopper? those pants fit a thinkpad :) |
| 07:23.48 | luke-jr | tigert: -.- |
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| 07:23.58 | Xisdibik | lcuk: new job for you |
| 07:23.59 | luke-jr | tigert: Thinkpad is x86. :P |
| 07:24.06 | lcuk | Xisdibik, mm? |
| 07:24.12 | luke-jr | tigert: also, I can't type on a Thinkpad while I'm driving |
| 07:24.14 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 07:24.17 | Xisdibik | lcuk: n900 needs this ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyzSUyre5N8 |
| 07:24.49 | Proteous | luke-jr: don't type on anything while driving please, dont' do it for you, do it for us... please... |
| 07:24.51 | lucent | microphone as pressure sensor, multi-touch screen as virtual woodwind holes = instant breath synth controller |
| 07:25.07 | luke-jr | Proteous: it's a good test for usability as a handheld? :P |
| 07:25.12 | Proteous | :P |
| 07:25.42 | luke-jr | Proteous: in practice, I just want to restart kismet! :P |
| 07:25.44 | lucent | so to the point, lots of interesting uses for multi-touch on a tiny little screen |
| 07:25.46 | jaem | -poke- who was asking about an app to display disk usage/distribution a while back? |
| 07:25.49 | Undrwater | hmmm...going to have to rethink the n900 choice if it doesn't have usb host |
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| 07:26.13 | jaem | whoever it was, there's something that looks to be of that sort in -testing |
| 07:26.13 | Proteous | some guy who can't boot his n900 anymore cause his rootfs is full |
| 07:26.20 | lucent | Undrwater: you will either want a phone, a computer, or a web browser in your pocket |
| 07:26.21 | Undrwater | luke-jr: cvoicecontrol? |
| 07:26.24 | lcuk | Xisdibik, hah thats cool, theres a sheepdog game in development at the moment that has similar sorts of graphics and we hope to have multitple types of levels |
| 07:26.33 | lcuk | thanks for link, im gonna post it there for ideas |
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| 07:26.51 | Undrwater | lucent: in other words...not all three? |
| 07:26.53 | luke-jr | Undrwater: sound is not doable for N810 |
| 07:27.02 | luke-jr | but maybe :P |
| 07:27.18 | luke-jr | still going to use typing-while-driving as a quality measurement though |
| 07:27.19 | luke-jr | XD |
| 07:27.23 | lucent | Undrwater: you still need to own a real computer and stuff. |
| 07:27.26 | Xisdibik | lcuk: np, a game based off a true harvest moon game would also be good (ie, farming!) :) |
| 07:27.40 | lcuk | Xisdibik, theres loads of scope for many games |
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| 07:27.49 | Undrwater | lucent: yes...but i don't want 2 devices in my pocket |
| 07:28.00 | Proteous | jaem, it was hardaker |
| 07:28.11 | Undrwater | and i want to be able to connect my dive computer to my pocket device |
| 07:28.17 | luke-jr | Undrwater: I want a computer. Ideally, with cell connectivity so I can replace phone w/ BT headset |
| 07:28.27 | lucent | Undrwater: I would like host usb for the novelty factor of plugging in a lot of scanning equipment, like barcode reader, rfid reader, EEPROM burner, and so on |
| 07:28.50 | Xisdibik | EEPROM burner? |
| 07:28.53 | luke-jr | lucent: sounds like those should have a USB to Bluetooth adapter :P |
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| 07:29.11 | BirdFlew | i'd just like to plug flash drives in for quick and easy file transfer when out and about |
| 07:29.13 | jaem | lucent, even the use-case of pulling files off a flash key is important, but I'll take what I can get |
| 07:29.30 | Undrwater | lucent: getting dive profile immediately would be a cool thing to see...iphone dive buddies would be envious |
| 07:29.32 | Proteous | good luck finding a flash key with a micro USB plug... |
| 07:29.36 | lucent | jaem: ah, that one too is very sad I don't have host usb on N900 |
| 07:29.39 | luke-jr | BirdFlew: MicroSD + USB microSD reader? |
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| 07:30.11 | luke-jr | BirdFlew: or heck, just USB from device to PC :P |
| 07:30.45 | BirdFlew | luke-jr: yeah that'd work, but i'd prefer to just plug a stick into the n900 and away we go |
| 07:30.49 | lucent | I found the best little USB microSD reader and use it now -> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HGFKR8 |
| 07:31.00 | luke-jr | BirdFlew: Pandora? |
| 07:31.13 | BirdFlew | googles pandora |
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| 07:31.21 | lucent | taking off the case of my N900 to change out microSD is not the best in my mind, but oh well |
| 07:31.26 | luke-jr | BirdFlew: http://www.open-pandora.org/ |
| 07:31.47 | BirdFlew | thanks |
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| 07:32.27 | Undrwater | ah well..night all... |
| 07:32.30 | BirdFlew | i really didn't want to filter through results referencing jewellery or avatar |
| 07:32.37 | Proteous | nite Undrwater |
| 07:32.40 | BirdFlew | night Undrwater |
| 07:32.43 | lucent | BirdFlew: did my link fail? |
| 07:33.15 | lucent | oh, you are talking about pandora |
| 07:33.17 | luke-jr | lucent: WFM, looks neat |
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| 07:34.17 | RST38bis | umghello |
| 07:34.39 | Termana_n810 | lcuk - ahh yes liqbase. no offense, i'm was just going off what i saw others say - though the video looks like it works fine |
| 07:35.04 | lcuk | it does for the test case |
| 07:35.22 | lcuk | and would work well as a keyboard modifier (for instance) |
| 07:35.24 | lcuk | but not for generic MT |
| 07:36.14 | BirdFlew | grumbles about the price of 32GB microsd memory |
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| 07:36.49 | BirdFlew | can't i just glue four 8GB cards together? :-D |
| 07:36.55 | luke-jr | ... |
| 07:37.00 | lcuk | sure, why not |
| 07:37.04 | Termana_n810 | lcuk - is liqbase in the repos or have you not released it to the general public? |
| 07:37.06 | BirdFlew | hehe |
| 07:37.07 | Proteous | no one is stoping you |
| 07:37.14 | luke-jr | BirdFlew: you can, but it wouldn't fit |
| 07:37.18 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 07:37.26 | Proteous | yeah, you have to shave them down first |
| 07:37.28 | luke-jr | ponders a chainable SD card |
| 07:37.49 | lcuk | Termana_n810, the original liqbase was released over a year ago, the new framework is just having some tweaks, its a library now, theres some apps already in maemo extras - liqtorch and liqflow |
| 07:37.57 | Proteous | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=211495194&listingid=46748417 |
| 07:38.03 | lcuk | im guessing there will be another update in the v near future tho |
| 07:38.12 | BirdFlew | they'll fit if i cram them in hard enough. nothing could go wrong! |
| 07:38.26 | lcuk | with more of the apps released as the integration stuff is ironed out |
| 07:38.32 | phr | lucent, i like the flat microusb readers that are about a dollar on dealextreme |
| 07:39.27 | lucent | phr: those are useful too :) I find them too small for me though |
| 07:39.30 | roshenia | hi! no news about changelog for n900 new firmware? |
| 07:39.52 | lucent | roshenia: mostly stuff to enable use of Ovi store (store.ovi.com) |
| 07:40.07 | roshenia | wha? |
| 07:40.40 | roshenia | what you mean? |
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| 07:41.34 | lucent | exactly what I said, which part did you have a question about? I don't have a changelog and I searched via Google to find a list of changes |
| 07:41.48 | lucent | looked to me like misc bugfixes and getting ready for Ovi Store |
| 07:41.55 | roshenia | ahh... |
| 07:42.59 | BirdFlew | roshenia: also upgrade to app manager for related reasons |
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| 07:43.12 | roshenia | hehe. no ood updates |
| 07:43.13 | roshenia | =) |
| 07:43.15 | tigert | and fixes to enable a bigger fix update :) |
| 07:43.23 | BirdFlew | and it prepares the N900 for the 1.1 big update |
| 07:43.28 | tigert | yeah |
| 07:44.05 | Termana_n810 | pfft that sounds like future assurance marketing to me |
| 07:44.06 | RST38bis | Charms from 'Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer' bracelets were measured at between 82 and 91 percent cadmium |
| 07:44.11 | RST38bis | coooool |
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| 07:44.23 | lucent | what's the procedure to swap an microSD card, must I always power off? |
| 07:44.29 | BirdFlew | would love a way to copy and paste urls between his N900 and laptop |
| 07:44.45 | BirdFlew | lucent: apparently it's hot swappable |
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| 07:45.12 | matmo | How to get rid of maemo menu button/window in a full screen non-hildonised app? |
| 07:45.18 | lucent | BirdFlew: I tried today and the result was no card inserted would be recognized |
| 07:45.33 | Termana_n810 | BirdFlew, asciibin.com |
| 07:45.46 | lucent | BirdFlew: I did not see some kind of "refresh" button |
| 07:46.04 | tigert | lucent: the back cover has a switch |
| 07:46.09 | tigert | lucent: just do it :) |
| 07:46.21 | tigert | it unmounts it when you pull the cover |
| 07:46.28 | tigert | (so better not be there with a terminal session) |
| 07:46.33 | lcuk | please cleanly close apps first tho |
| 07:46.36 | tigert | and it remounts when you close the cover |
| 07:46.39 | tigert | yeah |
| 07:46.41 | tigert | exactly |
| 07:46.47 | lucent | tigert: wowza |
| 07:46.55 | lucent | that's really good info thank you |
| 07:47.15 | lucent | I must have gotten really confused because I didn't insert the cover when I was looking |
| 07:47.15 | tigert | it probably is in the manual too :) |
| 07:47.19 | tigert | yeah |
| 07:47.24 | Termana_n810 | BirdFlew - obviously not a direct copy and paste between them but its still a pretty good website built by a friend of mine |
| 07:47.24 | lucent | I assumed it wasn't mounting? haha |
| 07:47.27 | tigert | yeah |
| 07:47.41 | tigert | lucent: I had the magnet in the cover fall off in one prototype device |
| 07:47.53 | tigert | took a while to figure out why it wasnt seeing the card inserted.. |
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| 07:48.18 | tigert | was an interesting facepalm moment when I realized what had happened :D |
| 07:48.23 | lucent | smiles |
| 07:48.32 | lcuk | thts not facepalm |
| 07:49.01 | tigert | its not? |
| 07:49.02 | lucent | wow I just discovered the kickstand |
| 07:49.15 | lucent | I've been using my N900 for almost a month |
| 07:49.16 | lcuk | nahhh not your fault, you wouldnt routinely go looking for it |
| 07:49.26 | tigert | next you say its a bit too narrow :) |
| 07:49.40 | lcuk | facepalm is taking foot of clutch with car in gear ;) |
| 07:49.40 | tigert | lcuk: well yeah |
| 07:49.51 | lcuk | did that last night |
| 07:50.03 | tigert | has no clutch pedal in the car |
| 07:50.04 | tigert | :) |
| 07:50.17 | lcuk | omg you got a defective one, take it back |
| 07:50.35 | Proteous | is wondering how you shift if you don't take your foot of the clutch |
| 07:50.45 | tigert | :) |
| 07:50.45 | lcuk | Proteous, when parked |
| 07:51.01 | Proteous | ah |
| 07:51.05 | Proteous | makes sense now |
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| 07:52.23 | lucent | I would shift without using the clutch pedal on my first car |
| 07:52.36 | lucent | it wore the synchronizer like crazy, but it worked |
| 07:52.58 | BirdFlew | your transmission would have loved that |
| 07:53.01 | lucent | rev higher and then tug on the shifter knob until things matched up and pop it in |
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| 07:53.30 | Caesium | all the while ignoring the godawful grinding noise? :) |
| 07:53.39 | Proteous | if you are good at matching revs you can do it without killing your syncros |
| 07:54.17 | lucent | Proteous knows what I'm talking about |
| 07:54.19 | Proteous | the only time it might be a usefull skill is if your clutch dies on the road |
| 07:54.27 | Proteous | then it is invauable |
| 07:54.50 | Proteous | hard to get into first thought :P |
| 07:55.03 | Proteous | so don't stop :P |
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| 07:55.19 | rkc | I have created a simple helloworld app in scratchbox. created debian package for FREMANTLE_ARMEL.. i want to install into n900 |
| 07:55.28 | sheepbat | if your clutch dies and you're going through south america? |
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| 07:55.37 | rkc | can any one tell me or suggest me a link? |
| 07:55.38 | Proteous | then you might be on top gear |
| 07:57.05 | tigert | lucent: yeah, I did that too |
| 07:57.09 | tigert | got pretty good at that also |
| 07:57.27 | tigert | especially fun when switching up |
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| 07:57.37 | lucent | Proteous: my friend had a dead clutch and drove his car around everywhere, parked always on a hill or an inclined driveway |
| 07:57.40 | lucent | "Hey give me a push will ya" |
| 07:57.46 | Proteous | heh |
| 07:58.28 | tigert | rkc: if you just want to test it in device, install rootsh |
| 07:58.43 | tigert | rkc: and open terminal, "root", dpkg -i [packagename].deb |
| 07:58.47 | lucent | like backwards, even. Usually where there's one driveway on an incline, there's a neighbor's driveway opposite the street side to back into, then ... it was just insane, I thionk |
| 07:58.51 | lucent | *think |
| 07:59.05 | tigert | rkc: if you want to use application manager, you need to create an .install file and put it in a repository |
| 07:59.08 | BirdFlew | lucent: well, if it works... |
| 07:59.10 | rkc | tigert: let me try that out |
| 07:59.47 | lucent | BirdFlew: too cheap for a clutch yet he had a girlfriend, never could figure that one out |
| 07:59.54 | Proteous | lol |
| 07:59.59 | rkc | tigert:where chan i get rootsh |
| 08:00.14 | rkc | is it a program to be installed? |
| 08:01.03 | BirdFlew | haha |
| 08:02.07 | tigert | rkc: in extras repository in application manager I think |
| 08:02.15 | tigert | rkc: enable the "maemo" repository |
| 08:02.19 | tigert | and it should be there |
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| 08:19.02 | Termana_n810 | SPLIT |
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| 08:20.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 08:24.57 | tigert | has those on ignore :) |
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| 08:26.25 | Stskeeps | irssi mostly handles them for me |
| 08:28.04 | FIQ | oo netsplit |
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| 08:35.30 | tigert | cough*store*cough |
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| 08:36.33 | ifreq | what ya coughing |
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| 08:36.49 | ifreq | ah okay bookmark works now |
| 08:37.05 | ifreq | it worked yesterday too on store.ovi.mobi |
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| 08:38.41 | konttori_nokia | tigert, what, you don't like the recomendations? |
| 08:39.39 | ifreq | pff no more gurlz on store |
| 08:40.51 | Stskeeps | they removed the mobiporn? |
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| 08:41.18 | tigert | konttori_nokia: no, just coughing a hint for people to go to the store :) |
| 08:41.34 | tigert | installed angle meter |
| 08:41.57 | ifreq | buys angry birds level pack |
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| 08:44.38 | konttori_nokia | there is level pack available? |
| 08:44.45 | konttori_nokia | wow! I need to go and buy it as well! |
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| 08:45.01 | tigert | its free! :) |
| 08:45.09 | tigert | no wait |
| 08:45.32 | tigert | theres a spirit level app, confused :) |
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| 08:49.43 | tigert | hah |
| 08:49.54 | tigert | that seismograph app is lovely :) |
| 08:50.14 | tigert | it needs data saving though, but great idea |
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| 08:57.48 | Wolfie | huh. omweather updated itself, and reinserted itself into the desktop, even though I removed it previously |
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| 08:58.18 | Wolfie | i mean forecaweather |
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| 08:58.44 | Jaffa | Anyone investigated how Ovi works? All the apps are in "Section: user/hidden"; but anyone tried apt-get install of a paid app? |
| 08:59.17 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i really hope whoever made ovi store didn't think that would be sufficient |
| 08:59.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:59.29 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed. |
| 08:59.41 | pupnik | try it with a free one first |
| 09:00.02 | Stskeeps | i mean, yes, there's no DRM on n900, but you don't have to make it -too- easy either :P |
| 09:00.50 | adeus | well it depends on how the paying mechanism works |
| 09:01.05 | adeus | many apps have registering systems |
| 09:01.22 | Stskeeps | well it could work with a type of token repo |
| 09:01.26 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 09:01.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually paid apps are locked to some serial# on device, like EMEI |
| 09:01.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | IMEI |
| 09:01.54 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer51: I'm talking about the delivery mechanism, not the prevention of someone copying it off your device |
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| 09:02.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | Jaffa: so probably you can download but not execute |
| 09:02.44 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer51: Err, and why wouldn't it execute? |
| 09:02.49 | lcuk | are all the free apps closed source? |
| 09:03.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | it finds it hasn't been 'registered' to your IMEI and stops aka says 'please register' |
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| 09:04.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's how route66 is doing it at least |
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| 09:04.55 | matmo | Can anyone point me to documentation for dbus interface "com.nokia.hildon_desktop"? |
| 09:04.57 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer51: And that's my question about the delivery mechanism. You seem to be assuming that a) store.ovi.mobi knows my IMEI and b) can communicate it to a new, custom repo at downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 09:05.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | nothing lke that |
| 09:05.45 | thesov | I know this isnt a support channel but please i need help, i ran the nokia updater today for the new firmware and my device is bricked i tried following the talk.maemo.org posts to repair it but nothing is working. does anyone know what i can do? |
| 09:05.54 | Jaffa | I'm not talking about how *your* app does it, I'm discussing how Ovi does it. |
| 09:05.58 | Wolfie | Jaffa: wasn't this 44.1 update for the store? it requires to know your phone number at least |
| 09:06.12 | Wolfie | the store, i mean. not the update |
| 09:06.30 | Stskeeps | thesov: did you have the battery fully charged before? |
| 09:06.38 | thesov | yes |
| 09:06.40 | matmo | I found http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control but I want details |
| 09:06.45 | thesov | in fact the battery died cuz it took so long |
| 09:06.53 | Stskeeps | thesov: 64-bit windows? |
| 09:06.54 | thesov | it was sitting at the nokia screen forever |
| 09:06.55 | thesov | yes |
| 09:07.00 | thesov | why? |
| 09:07.16 | Stskeeps | right, someone needs to report that OS being troublesome for NSU.. |
| 09:07.30 | thesov | but it says its supported windows xp 64-bit |
| 09:07.52 | Stskeeps | thesov: do you know enough as to boot a ubuntu livecd? |
| 09:07.56 | thesov | yes |
| 09:08.29 | thesov | my n900 gets to a point where it says nokia on the screen with no backlight and just reboots forever |
| 09:08.45 | Stskeeps | well if it says nokia that's a good thing |
| 09:08.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:08.51 | Macer | house and wilson crack me up |
| 09:08.57 | Stskeeps | grab flasher-3.5 from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 |
| 09:09.06 | Stskeeps | under ubuntu livecd |
| 09:09.10 | Stskeeps | ideally grab a 32-bit livecd |
| 09:09.17 | thesov | gonna download it now |
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| 09:09.44 | Stskeeps | are you capable of charging the battery somehow? |
| 09:10.01 | thesov | it charges the battery briefly when it reboots |
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| 09:10.13 | thesov | i dont know how much of a charge it has |
| 09:10.24 | Stskeeps | right, let's see what we can do under ubuntu |
| 09:10.38 | thesov | ok let me swith my irc program to my laptap |
| 09:11.16 | thesov | brb and thank you so much, i really appreciate this, ive been hearing horror stories that once you brick your device nokia ignores you |
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| 09:12.24 | Stskeeps | which is kinda silly cos it's a simple operation for them to resurrect the device |
| 09:12.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:12.41 | Stskeeps | but i would complain about NSU under 64-bit not working |
| 09:13.21 | thesov | lets say for the sake of arguement this doesnt work, does the warentee cover this? |
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| 09:14.06 | Arkenoi | quite strange. some people say they successfully received OTA update via app manager even yesterday and i do not see it yet |
| 09:14.08 | Stskeeps | well you used NSU which is the way things should be done, or through application manager |
| 09:14.08 | tigert | it will work most likely |
| 09:14.27 | tigert | lunch -> & |
| 09:14.33 | Stskeeps | so warranty not covering something that happened with official tools, would surprise me |
| 09:15.39 | thesov | this is so stupid, why would they make a device you can natively access like a hardisk, u know like archos does |
| 09:15.47 | thesov | can't* |
| 09:15.53 | Stskeeps | in this particular case, you can't access a NAND over USB |
| 09:16.10 | Stskeeps | it is simply a different technology than what USB mass storage expects |
| 09:16.37 | Stskeeps | fwiw, your device isn't bricked, it is just temporarily paralyzed :P |
| 09:16.55 | thesov | really? cuz u know that white light u see when powering it on? i dont even see that. |
| 09:17.21 | Stskeeps | i have abused my n900 and n8x0 with so many experiments, i'm quite sure :P |
| 09:17.44 | Stskeeps | you don't have anyone who has a xpressmusic 5800 or similar btw? |
| 09:17.47 | thesov | i tried using the command line flasher on my xp laptop its not working either. |
| 09:18.00 | leon- | what does it say? |
| 09:18.00 | Stskeeps | xp 32-bit? |
| 09:18.04 | thesov | yes |
| 09:18.13 | thesov | suitable usb device not found |
| 09:18.26 | thesov | tried all the usb ports too |
| 09:18.48 | Stskeeps | OK, did you download the fiasco image? |
| 09:18.55 | thesov | yes |
| 09:19.06 | lcuk | thesov, have you tried having battery out, plug all usb stuff in, get the flasher waiting for device, THEN insert the battery |
| 09:19.10 | thesov | rx-51_2009se etc etc |
| 09:19.27 | thesov | no but i can try that now |
| 09:19.34 | LinuxCode | needs to put mer on his n810 |
| 09:19.44 | LinuxCode | maemo doesnt cut it anymore |
| 09:19.45 | Stskeeps | thesov: optionally hold down 'u' key |
| 09:20.01 | lcuk | Stskeeps, thats never been required that way ^ |
| 09:20.05 | thesov | ok right now i got flasher -F the US image -f -R |
| 09:20.05 | Stskeeps | lcuk: for XP it might |
| 09:20.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps will be pleased to hear, LinuxCode |
| 09:20.50 | LinuxCode | is there anywhere where I can obtain a package list with what mer has ? |
| 09:20.55 | LinuxCode | before I flash |
| 09:21.17 | Stskeeps | LinuxCode: packages.ubuntu.com? |
| 09:21.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:21.29 | LinuxCode | you recompiled all of them ? |
| 09:21.30 | LinuxCode | ;-O |
| 09:21.35 | Stskeeps | we piggyback on the ubuntu repo |
| 09:21.35 | thesov | ok it said new hardware foung "nokia rom flashing parent" and still nothing |
| 09:21.43 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, wow |
| 09:21.59 | LinuxCode | is not an ubuntu fan, but if all the packages are in mer, Id def have to switch |
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| 09:22.08 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, and everything works in mer, hardware wise ? |
| 09:22.15 | LinuxCode | gps ? |
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| 09:22.18 | LinuxCode | webcam |
| 09:22.21 | LinuxCode | etc.. |
| 09:22.34 | Stskeeps | not directly, needs some hacks |
| 09:22.42 | LinuxCode | hmmm |
| 09:22.42 | Stskeeps | webcam is just a v4l device |
| 09:22.48 | Stskeeps | gps is a little more difficult and needs a blob |
| 09:22.55 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, is there a how to for that > |
| 09:22.57 | LinuxCode | ? |
| 09:23.10 | Stskeeps | but we don't have GPS yet |
| 09:23.16 | Stskeeps | but we need people helping out with the system :) |
| 09:23.34 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/N810_GPS |
| 09:23.42 | LinuxCode | ta |
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| 09:24.44 | LinuxCode | I hope mer will be up to scratch by the time nokia decides again that they dont care for the n900 anymore |
| 09:24.53 | thesov | ok windows must suck or something |
| 09:24.56 | LinuxCode | like it happened with the n810 |
| 09:25.06 | Stskeeps | LinuxCode: only way to deal with it .. fixing it early on |
| 09:25.18 | Stskeeps | which is why i'm toying with mer on n900 atm |
| 09:25.25 | LinuxCode | good on you mate |
| 09:26.50 | thesov | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin correct rom? |
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| 09:27.07 | Stskeeps | sounds like it |
| 09:27.22 | thesov | downloading onto my C: now for when i reboot to ubuntu |
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| 09:30.33 | thesov | burning cd |
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| 09:30.58 | thesov | this thing isnt a toy for me i actually use it |
| 09:31.01 | thesov | for work |
| 09:31.05 | Stskeeps | yeah, same here |
| 09:31.14 | thesov | and my other phone is att locked |
| 09:31.19 | Stskeeps | it's a rather expensive toy :) |
| 09:31.35 | thesov | yes, i got it because it runs a nearly full linux install |
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| 09:32.43 | thesov | this is one of those crucial in between stages where pretty soon you will be carrying your computer on you all the time and their will be some "terminal" standard developed so u can interface with a full keyboard screen sound etc. just by dropping your phone onto a passive charging pad |
| 09:32.55 | thesov | i wanna say i was there for that stage. |
| 09:33.20 | Stskeeps | was possible already with n8x0 ;) |
| 09:33.41 | thesov | yeah but u couldnt make phone calls on it :P |
| 09:33.57 | Stskeeps | SIP, Skype, celluar what's the difference :P |
| 09:34.08 | jaem | wazd, that boot vid is gorgeous :D |
| 09:34.24 | jaem | not so big on the green though |
| 09:34.33 | wazd | jaem: well, thanks :) |
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| 09:34.49 | jaem | also, I think the maemo.org should be either the logo itself, or at least a fancier font |
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| 09:35.03 | jaem | maybe even plain text, but with the stylized ae |
| 09:35.04 | thesov2 | ok this my laptop |
| 09:35.06 | jaem | -shrug- |
| 09:35.07 | jaem | anyhow, g'night |
| 09:35.16 | thesov | rebooting into linux |
| 09:35.22 | wazd | jaem: cya |
| 09:37.30 | thesov2 | i hate these animated load screens |
| 09:37.41 | thesov2 | what happend to debug info...god i miss slack |
| 09:38.00 | Stskeeps | press esc |
| 09:38.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:38.06 | lcuk | damn wazd left, he should make a fakey debug info screen to appease you |
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| 09:38.14 | thesov2 | lol @ flashing cursor |
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| 09:38.30 | lcuk | Stskeeps !!! |
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| 09:38.54 | thesov2 | thanks again for your help sts |
| 09:40.32 | thesov2 | how long does it normally take to flash this phone? |
| 09:40.36 | Stskeeps | ~2 min |
| 09:40.42 | thesov2 | seriously? |
| 09:40.44 | Stskeeps | depending on USB1.1 or USB2.0 |
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| 09:42.28 | thesov2 | wow ubuntu is smarter than i though, spurios responce on sr0 starting crypto disk. wow it detect my allegedly undetectable disk encryption |
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| 09:45.27 | thesov2 | ok im fully booted into ubuntu |
| 09:46.28 | thesov2 | sts? |
| 09:46.57 | Stskeeps | grab flasher-3.5 from that website and doubleclick the .deb |
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| 09:47.15 | thesov2 | what site? |
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| 09:47.34 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 |
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| 09:49.10 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: what was the pin UI issue? |
| 09:49.15 | Stskeeps | it looking unthemed with nuvo? |
| 09:49.23 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 09:49.31 | timeless_mbp | any themebuilder theme |
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| 09:49.37 | timeless_mbp | reflect/glass, nuvo, etc |
| 09:49.47 | timeless_mbp | specifically the [x] at the top |
| 09:49.53 | Stskeeps | could you try and edit /usr/share/themes/X/matchbox1/theme.xml and change engine-version to engine_version, or reverse |
| 09:50.04 | Stskeeps | i just noticed same issue under mer so |
| 09:50.09 | timeless_mbp | i'd have to find my phone |
| 09:50.22 | thesov2 | ok |
| 09:50.25 | thesov2 | it says install complete |
| 09:50.28 | Stskeeps | good |
| 09:50.56 | timeless_mbp | and charge it, since it's out of power |
| 09:51.06 | Stskeeps | now sudo flasher-3.5 -F fiasco-image-filename -f -R , -- have your N900 plugged into USB but without battery plugged in |
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| 09:51.33 | Stskeeps | and start flasher, and then plug in battery |
| 09:54.09 | thesov2 | nothig |
| 09:54.14 | thesov2 | nothing* |
| 09:54.18 | Stskeeps | alright |
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| 09:54.25 | Stskeeps | what does flasher say specifically? |
| 09:54.28 | Stskeeps | waiting for device? |
| 09:54.32 | thesov2 | yes |
| 09:55.02 | Stskeeps | ok, now try same procedure but hold in 'u' on device keyboard while you are plugging in battery |
| 09:55.22 | Stskeeps | (take out usb cable and plug it back in) |
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| 09:55.59 | lcuk | before putting in the battery the flasher should be sat saying "no device detected..." when you put the battery in, it should start |
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| 09:58.28 | hrw | morning |
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| 09:59.03 | hrw | can someone pastebin 'dpkg -l' from 44.1 fw device updated with h-a-m? |
| 09:59.41 | Arkenoi | still does not see the update, wtf? |
| 10:00.06 | thesov2 | same nothing |
| 10:01.05 | Stskeeps | thesov2: right, you need to get your battery charged somehow |
| 10:01.14 | Stskeeps | do you know someone who uses similar battery type? |
| 10:01.41 | thesov2 | nope |
| 10:01.42 | timeless_mbp | hrw: didn't someone post a content diff url yesterday? |
| 10:01.45 | thesov2 | its a battery issue? |
| 10:01.51 | Stskeeps | thesov2: in this case probably yes |
| 10:01.53 | RST38h | EHLO Stskeeps, Arkenoi, lcuk, hrw |
| 10:01.54 | Stskeeps | since you ran down your battery |
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| 10:03.04 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: /matchbox/ or /matchbox2/ ? |
| 10:03.09 | thesov2 | what do you suggest? |
| 10:03.10 | Stskeeps | i guess matchbox/ |
| 10:03.22 | hrw | timeless_mbp: here? |
| 10:04.03 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yeah, konttori's have - and the official ones hav e_ |
| 10:04.24 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: see if that fixes the issue then |
| 10:04.37 | thesov2 | any way to charge the device without it trying to boot? |
| 10:04.50 | Stskeeps | thesov2: Nokia 5230, 5800 Xpressmusic, N900 and X6 uses the same battery type |
| 10:05.01 | thesov2 | i have no other nokia products |
| 10:05.11 | Stskeeps | well, know anyone who does? ;) |
| 10:05.19 | Stskeeps | but no, it charges in software |
| 10:05.21 | thesov2 | no actually |
| 10:05.24 | timeless_mbp | or a nokia store near you :) |
| 10:05.31 | timeless_mbp | charging is dangerous |
| 10:05.35 | timeless_mbp | you can blow up your battery |
| 10:05.42 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: WIN |
| 10:05.43 | thesov2 | lol i should walk into a nokia store and make them gimme a battery? |
| 10:05.48 | timeless_mbp | it requires software to regulate the charging process |
| 10:06.04 | Stskeeps | thesov2: no, ask them if they can charge it basically - it's not an unusual question |
| 10:06.10 | timeless_mbp | thesov2: just ask them to let you swap yours in their demo device and charge it for a bit |
| 10:06.25 | timeless_mbp | they **** well better let you |
| 10:06.27 | lcuk | thesov2, go in with device and ask them to try charging as stskeeps says |
| 10:06.38 | thesov2 | like i said it charges briefly in the boot loop, should i just let it sit in the boot loop all night? |
| 10:06.39 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ok, i'm happy happy joy joy about PIN input |
| 10:06.39 | lcuk | and timeless lol |
| 10:06.44 | v2px_ | stop hilighting me :S :P |
| 10:06.54 | Stskeeps | thesov2: you can't assume it's actually charging there sadly |
| 10:06.59 | lcuk | v2px_, ? |
| 10:07.04 | thesov2 | hmm |
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| 10:07.27 | v2px_ | "v2" is on my hl list ;) |
| 10:07.29 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: btw, have you installed my splash package? :) |
| 10:07.38 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: no, i use the mer boot videos |
| 10:07.42 | thesov2 | well i can go downstairs to my basement and connect it to my variac with some diodes and charge it manually |
| 10:07.48 | timeless_mbp | ah |
| 10:07.54 | Stskeeps | thesov2: that will probably cause you bodily harm |
| 10:07.54 | timeless_mbp | i'm using the maemo-org flyby |
| 10:08.00 | thesov2 | ? |
| 10:08.04 | thesov2 | why do you say that? |
| 10:08.11 | Stskeeps | thesov2: the nokia batteries are a bit special |
| 10:08.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:08.16 | timeless_mbp | thesov2: you really can cause batteries to explode |
| 10:08.26 | lcuk | thesov2, just go ask nokia people :) |
| 10:08.28 | timeless_mbp | and the docs are pretty clear "only use in a proper nokia charger" |
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| 10:08.43 | Stskeeps | thesov2: but really, nokia spends a lot of money on customer service so they should give you that service :P |
| 10:08.45 | thesov2 | damnit man im in a crisis here |
| 10:08.57 | thesov2 | no they wont, im american they hate us |
| 10:08.59 | timeless_mbp | thesov2: how far away is your local nokia store |
| 10:09.07 | thesov2 | downtown chicago |
| 10:09.14 | timeless_mbp | and where are you? |
| 10:09.20 | thesov2 | its actually 8 blocks from where i work |
| 10:09.29 | timeless_mbp | sounds like a lunch trip |
| 10:09.39 | thesov2 | sounds like fuckwork |
| 10:09.46 | timeless_mbp | but you better go before the stores close permanently |
| 10:09.49 | Stskeeps | thesov2: well, you can try to let it reboot overnight but that might cause it to think it's malfunctioning |
| 10:09.52 | thesov2 | 600 dollar phone vs 200 dollar a day off? |
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| 10:10.12 | Stskeeps | (after 50 reboots it thinks it's malfunctioning) |
| 10:10.15 | timeless_mbp | 25/hr? |
| 10:10.31 | thesov2 | yes |
| 10:10.39 | thesov2 | i dont make much money sadly |
| 10:10.53 | Stskeeps | thesov2: anyway.. there's no other technical way around it, you have to charge the battery somehow or flashing will fully brick your phone |
| 10:10.54 | timeless_mbp | or work 2 days of overtime and buy a new phone :) |
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| 10:11.15 | timeless_mbp | (assuming overtime = time+a half) |
| 10:11.28 | thesov2 | i dont have overtime im salary except for sick days\ |
| 10:11.36 | Termana | Of course, you could BUY a new battery, even a third party one from ebay |
| 10:11.40 | Stskeeps | well, or that |
| 10:11.49 | Stskeeps | a emergency battery is always useful :P |
| 10:11.55 | thesov2 | i think i will goto the nokia store tomorrow morning and ask the clerk for his batter so i can flash it |
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| 10:12.06 | Stskeeps | or just asking to charge the battery |
| 10:12.11 | Stskeeps | probably easier to convince him of |
| 10:12.15 | thesov2 | could do that too :) |
| 10:12.20 | thesov2 | they all have n900's there |
| 10:12.31 | Stskeeps | and explain the situation with NSU and 64-bit so they annotate it somewhere |
| 10:12.43 | thesov2 | will do thanks guys |
| 10:12.53 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: what's this 64bit stuff? |
| 10:12.59 | thesov2 | im gonna play wow for a couple hours and chill |
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| 10:13.19 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: the common trend for NSU breaking people's devices is them doing it on 64-bit windows |
| 10:13.24 | Stskeeps | which stops the flashing mid-way |
| 10:13.29 | timeless_mbp | awesome |
| 10:13.31 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 10:13.38 | timeless_mbp | i could try to brick someone's device at work |
| 10:13.42 | timeless_mbp | i have w7 :) |
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| 10:13.47 | timeless_mbp | (w7x64) |
| 10:13.54 | Stskeeps | sounds like the right victim |
| 10:13.57 | lupine_85 | I have an N900! |
| 10:14.01 | lupine_85 | wewt, etc :) |
| 10:14.05 | timeless_mbp | i need a more specific victim |
| 10:14.11 | timeless_mbp | i'm open to suggestions |
| 10:14.37 | Macer | castle is funny |
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| 10:14.52 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: could you do a diff -ur between a nokia theme and a themebuilder theme |
| 10:15.01 | timeless_mbp | and see if there are any other gotchas floating around? |
| 10:15.35 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: possibly, but i'm in Mer right now on my n900 |
| 10:15.44 | thesov2 | man i hope you guys are right and everything goes well tomorrow, if it does im forever in your debt cuz i was panicking and i cant afford another phone |
| 10:15.54 | timeless_mbp | you don't have mount access to Maemo? :) |
| 10:16.26 | Stskeeps | thesov2: either way it should be under warranty |
| 10:16.29 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: hmm :P |
| 10:16.47 | thesov2 | switch8ing back to desktop |
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| 10:18.10 | MaemohammadAG | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/nokia-messaging-for-social-networks-hits-beta-brings-twitter-a/ :/ |
| 10:18.13 | lupine_85 | ooh, maemo have jobs that I could do if I were to move to FI :p |
| 10:18.39 | lupine_85 | *ahem* |
| 10:18.40 | thesov | so...now im gonna uninstall software updater and curse the life of the idiot who progged it |
| 10:19.09 | timeless_mbp | MaemohammadAG: that UI looks somewhat S60r5ish |
| 10:19.26 | MaemohammadAG | it is |
| 10:19.41 | MaemohammadAG | i'm just posting it to show how engadget hate maemo |
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| 10:19.53 | MaemohammadAG | read the article timeless_mbp |
| 10:20.02 | timeless_mbp | who reads articles? |
| 10:20.05 | timeless_mbp | i'm a picture guy :) |
| 10:20.41 | lupine_85 | anyone know which version of Debian Maemo is built off? /etc/debian_version says testing/unstable, which isn't too helpful ;) |
| 10:21.01 | MaemohammadAG | lol timeless_mbp |
| 10:21.20 | timeless_mbp | lupine_85: Maemo is a distro |
| 10:21.23 | timeless_mbp | like Ubuntu |
| 10:21.34 | timeless_mbp | your question is like asking "Which version of Debian is Ubuntu built off" |
| 10:21.39 | lupine_85 | timeless_mbp: indeed |
| 10:21.48 | timeless_mbp | did you have a certain version of Maemo/Ubuntu in mind? |
| 10:21.51 | lupine_85 | and the answer is always 'the version of testing that was around when they branched' |
| 10:22.05 | lupine_85 | or is it unstable? I forget |
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| 10:22.18 | lupine_85 | I'm wondering if it's etch-vintage, or lenny vintage, or...? |
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| 10:22.36 | lupine_85 | glibc 2.5, that should help |
| 10:22.42 | lupine_85 | hunts |
| 10:22.43 | timeless_mbp | which version of Maemo? |
| 10:22.52 | lupine_85 | 5 - whatever's on the N900 |
| 10:22.54 | timeless_mbp | Maemo 1, Maemo 2, Maemo 3, Maemo 4, Maemo 5, Maemo 6? |
| 10:23.07 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/dif |
| 10:23.08 | lupine_85 | 5 |
| 10:23.33 | lupine_85 | looks like it's based on lenny before lenny became stable |
| 10:23.35 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: -wb ;-) |
| 10:23.48 | lupine_85 | (stable lenny being libc6 2.7, etch being 2.3) |
| 10:23.52 | xorAxAx | is happy, his n900 will ship today |
| 10:23.55 | xorAxAx | branded, though |
| 10:24.03 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: reload |
| 10:24.05 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.05 | timeless_mbp | -text[INSENSITIVE] = @ReversedDisabledTextColor |
| 10:24.30 | timeless_mbp | that seems bad |
| 10:24.32 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: either way, the non-thememaker way of doing themes using debian packages has been released |
| 10:24.58 | timeless_mbp | -color["ReversedDisabledTextColor"] = @DisabledTextColor |
| 10:25.13 | timeless_mbp | -style "fremantle-progressnote" |
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| 10:26.07 | timeless_mbp | diff -ruNwb alpha/theme.conf marina/theme.conf |
| 10:26.09 | timeless_mbp | is odd |
| 10:26.11 | tigert | http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-themes/maemo-5-theme-for-nokia/ |
| 10:26.12 | tigert | wow :) |
| 10:26.16 | timeless_mbp | is that a bug fix on top of a bug? |
| 10:26.17 | tigert | Maemo5 theme for Symbian =) |
| 10:26.26 | lardman | morning |
| 10:26.35 | lardman | lcuk: you about oh VB guru? |
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| 10:26.48 | timeless_mbp | tigert: for people mourning the fact that they paid way too much for an inferior product |
| 10:26.50 | xorAxAx | 09:39:01 [@foebud:1] RT @johl: Vote for Barbie to become a computer engineer! http://www.barbie.com/vote/ |
| 10:26.50 | timeless_mbp | it's a consolation |
| 10:27.28 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: Math is hard, let's go shopping. |
| 10:27.59 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: not if barbie was a successful role model :) |
| 10:28.08 | nomis | lardman: you about, oh DSP guru? ;) |
| 10:28.44 | nomis | lardman: do you have an idea about what it would take to slow down music (lets say about 15%) without changing pitch? |
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| 10:30.04 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: now you have to try http://icanbe.barbie.com/dentist.html with your n900 |
| 10:31.03 | lcuk | lardman, pong |
| 10:31.13 | lardman | lcuk: reading binary files in vb? |
| 10:31.28 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: nah, not my thing :) |
| 10:31.34 | lcuk | yes entirely possible |
| 10:31.47 | lardman | and reading values of a given size into variables? |
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| 10:32.17 | lardman | i.e. I'd like to read some double data, etc. |
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| 10:32.45 | lcuk | slightly different |
| 10:32.55 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: ouch. |
| 10:33.03 | lcuk | you would have to make a UDT and read records of those |
| 10:33.11 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: did it kill your n900? |
| 10:33.30 | lardman | lcuk: hmm |
| 10:33.41 | lcuk | ie: type lardmans_data a as double end type |
| 10:33.49 | lardman | lcuk: yeah I get that |
| 10:34.03 | lardman | the problem is I'm reading a header, then either double or byte data |
| 10:34.09 | thesov | can you make X applications with python? |
| 10:34.20 | lardman | so in C it would be a nice simple fread |
| 10:34.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | nomis: depends on source format. for mp3 e.g. it,s really easy |
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| 10:34.52 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: I didn't try on it |
| 10:34.54 | Corsac | poor beast |
| 10:35.09 | Corsac | thesov: sure |
| 10:35.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | nomis: as frequency aka pitch isn't correlated with time domain in mp3 |
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| 10:35.51 | lcuk | mmm lardman you can do memcpy stuff, always read as bytes and then copy into a typed array? |
| 10:36.05 | lardman | using a C fn? |
| 10:36.14 | lardman | Can memcpy be used in VB? |
| 10:36.21 | lcuk | windows api provides it afaik |
| 10:36.25 | lcuk | #but you need a proto |
| 10:36.26 | lardman | yeah |
| 10:36.29 | lardman | ok thanks |
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| 10:36.42 | nomis | DocScrutinizer51: oh wow. |
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| 10:37.01 | nomis | DocScrutinizer51: do you have any references where I could read about decoding mp3 differently? |
| 10:37.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope sorry |
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| 10:37.28 | lcuk | np |
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| 10:37.40 | Orkut | hello all |
| 10:38.04 | Orkut | I was wondering if you guys have any clue on installing the sdk on slackware |
| 10:38.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I know of a few mp3 player (though I canMt remember the name) which offer that feature to adjust playback speed |
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| 10:38.48 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: someone really should |
| 10:38.55 | timeless_mbp | maybe i'll get the flash team @work to do it |
| 10:39.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | nomis: also in sox you have an implementation to adjust pitch and speed independantly on arbitrary audio formats |
| 10:39.22 | ccooke | Morning, all |
| 10:39.32 | nomis | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, I have used that to slow down some orchestral music so I have a chance of keeping up when playing together with it. |
| 10:39.45 | juhjokel | DocScrutinizer51: At least PS3 allows that, iirc |
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| 10:40.32 | nomis | DocScrutinizer51: I'd like to have an application that I can use as practicing aid: add markers inside a mp3 file to easily skip back to a defined position, dynamically adjust the speed of the playback etc. |
| 10:40.34 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/18/what-will-next-firmware-release-for-n900-bringsk/#comment-20820 - nice comment I got about firmware updates |
| 10:41.58 | juhjokel | DocScrutinizer51: And regarding the practical implementation, I doubt if all players handle mp3 decoding differently with different pitch, as most of them support other audio formats aswell |
| 10:42.09 | juhjokel | And well, don't know if that feature is mp3-specific |
| 10:42.45 | nomis | possibly there is a gst-plugin for that, probably I am not the first one thinking about it... :) |
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| 10:44.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | juhjokel: I'm just saying you need a signal representation in the frequency domain vs time, rather than a waveform representation, to do that magic most easily. |
| 10:44.26 | thesov | i wanted to make a quick desktop widget that would pull an image from the web every 10 mins |
| 10:44.37 | thesov | i didnt know if it was possible in python im thinking of learning it |
| 10:45.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | nomis: I'd assume that you can find such plugin. Or use sox |
| 10:45.52 | wazd | konttori: heya |
| 10:46.34 | wazd | konttori: I think I've found a place for OVI widget skin :) |
| 10:46.41 | lardman | lcuk: how very odd that I can read a type correctly, but not arbitrary variabels |
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| 10:47.05 | lardman | ~curse VB for being crap |
| 10:47.06 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, VB for being crap ! |
| 10:47.43 | lcuk | yeah its geared around records of info |
| 10:47.50 | lardman | yep |
| 10:48.07 | lardman | so basically I can't switch the type I'm reading part way through I guess? |
| 10:48.23 | lardman | i.e. I'll have to read the header, close the file, open fseek then read the image data, etc |
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| 10:49.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: ouch. there has to be better ways |
| 10:49.36 | Orkut | any ideas on how to install the SDK on a slackware linux? |
| 10:49.50 | lardman | DocScrutinizer51: not using VB? ;) |
| 10:50.38 | lcuk | lardman, mmm if you havent prespecified the record size i nthe open statement, something in back of mind is telling me you can |
| 10:50.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: that crap from Redmond?.actually I was forced to create a whole commercial project with VB(A) |
| 10:51.21 | lardman | I don't have records though, I have a header consisting of various things, ints, booleans, doubles, etc., then data either byte or double, then more footer info |
| 10:51.22 | jaska | visual basic for aberrations |
| 10:51.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: I know it,s crap |
| 10:51.59 | Corsac | hmhm, are qr code somewhat readable on n900? |
| 10:52.02 | mece | Can I expect problems with updates when I have my apt cache moved to MyDocs? |
| 10:52.22 | lardman | DocScrutinizer51: just far easier to write a quick app to display data allowing drag&drop & clipboard copying using VB, until I stumbled into the issues of wanting to know what's in the header |
| 10:52.33 | lardman | Corsac: yes |
| 10:52.35 | lardman | mbarcode |
| 10:52.38 | Corsac | ok |
| 10:52.40 | Corsac | thanks |
| 10:54.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: read in generic bytes from file, then do a typecast and assign parts of the buffer to a structure of your liking |
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| 10:55.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | VB is nasty but you still can do almost everythng you're used to do in other decent prog lang |
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| 10:55.54 | Corsac | hmhm, is there an open bug about being able to quick jump on every list? |
| 10:56.27 | Orkut | ok, I'll try once more: since I'm being unable to install the sdk ... is there anyone willing to compile a very stupid little program for me in the meanwhile? |
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| 10:58.29 | Zero_Dogg | Hi. Has the deblet project died? I'm unable to find any website related to it anymore. |
| 10:59.25 | Stskeeps | yes, it's dead and Mer is the successor |
| 10:59.29 | Stskeeps | been dead for over a year :P |
| 11:00.35 | Zero_Dogg | right, sort of figured. So can Mer run alternate desktops? (ie. xfce). Only reason I haven't tried mer lately is that I've been told that an upgrade usually requires a reflash, rather than using apt |
| 11:00.52 | Stskeeps | yes it can but it requires tinkering |
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| 11:03.41 | FIQ | Tomorrow, I can finally buy a N900 |
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| 11:03.50 | SpeedEvil | ;) |
| 11:04.11 | SpeedEvil | Get an iphone, it's got more apps! |
| 11:04.20 | SpeedEvil | And is capacitittatitive! |
| 11:04.32 | FIQ | no thanks, lol. :p |
| 11:04.37 | xorAxAx | get an android phone, it has fancy google navigation and not sucky ovi maps! |
| 11:04.39 | mece | LOL |
| 11:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Seriously though - I haven't regretted my descision to get one. |
| 11:04.43 | FIQ | meh |
| 11:04.48 | xorAxAx | i want your n900! |
| 11:05.03 | lardman | Corsac: yes there is a bug for that |
| 11:05.05 | mece | SpeedEvil, getting what? |
| 11:05.11 | lardman | Corsac: and what are you doing with QR codes? |
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| 11:05.26 | FIQ | have a SE P1i atm and haven't any problems with screen being resistive. :) (and yeah, i pwn at spelling) |
| 11:05.38 | lardman | xorAxAx: you have to find one with Android 2.x tho |
| 11:05.49 | xorAxAx | lardman: doesnt it require at least 1.6? |
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| 11:05.54 | SpeedEvil | Though my happiness is in a somewhat undetermined state over USB host until I finish reading kernel driver for USB and datasheet for USB phy, patching the kernel and seeing if it works. |
| 11:06.10 | xorAxAx | lardman: but indeed, you are somehow locked into the shipped version |
| 11:06.15 | lardman | xorAxAx: doesn't seem to work on my wife's phone |
| 11:06.17 | Jaffa | got fed up with waiting for the MyMenu author to integrate his "identify things from package's section" code; so has started on a new tool; Catorise: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30863507@N02/4268021329/ <---- my app menu |
| 11:06.40 | SpeedEvil | Multitouch would be handy sometimes. But - losing stylus would be bad. |
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| 11:06.44 | xorAxAx | umm, why do you need a tool at all, jaffa |
| 11:07.02 | mece | Jaffa, nice! |
| 11:07.17 | xorAxAx | you can query the section from the menu files, ok, then some tool would need to patch the desktop files to include the package section |
| 11:07.21 | mece | Jaffa, is it already working? |
| 11:07.31 | wazd | Jaffa: more icon looks odd :) |
| 11:07.34 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: unsure - what's that? |
| 11:07.56 | Jaffa | wazd: Yeah, it's supposed to be "other" from the current theme, but there's a bug |
| 11:08.10 | Orkut | even thou it seems like I'm typing with a transparent ink... i'd say that a REALTIME kernel would be great! |
| 11:08.12 | mece | Jaffa, right I was just about to say it should be "other" :) |
| 11:08.52 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Cos I want to fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3822 |
| 11:08.53 | povbot` | Bug 3822: Application menu should have enough top-level folders to match package sections |
| 11:08.55 | FIQ | lost the stylus to his current phone months ago |
| 11:09.09 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: That's what MyMenu tries to do by maintaining a separate list |
| 11:09.18 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: yeah, i know. good luck :) |
| 11:09.29 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Which is braindead architecturally ;-) |
| 11:09.38 | wazd | nice icons btw, have you made it? |
| 11:10.00 | Jaffa | wazd: It uses the HAM icons for whatever the user-selected theme is, if any, or uses the icons from the default theme if the current theme doesn't provide any |
| 11:10.28 | wazd | Jaffa: HAM now has icons? cool :) |
| 11:10.50 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: icon for more - http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/please-sir-I-want-some-moar-415x500.jpg |
| 11:11.06 | Jaffa | wazd: http://blogs.igalia.com/vjaquez/2009/12/14/shinning-new-ham/ |
| 11:11.53 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: ping |
| 11:12.02 | timeless_mbp | pong |
| 11:12.36 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: What's the naming strategy for message keys for HAM sections? |
| 11:12.44 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 11:13.02 | timeless_mbp | you mean what maps where |
| 11:13.10 | timeless_mbp | or what are the localization bits? |
| 11:13.12 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: e.g. the text under the icons. Yeah, I want to reuse them |
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| 11:13.32 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: do you have my locale installed? |
| 11:13.37 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Yes |
| 11:13.38 | timeless_mbp | the 'Advanced Options' thing in its control panel will let you look them up |
| 11:13.45 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: cool |
| 11:13.55 | timeless_mbp | select it, pick en_US.1 and the next thing (which is tiny/fast) |
| 11:14.00 | timeless_mbp | then pick browser, pick en_US.1 |
| 11:14.09 | timeless_mbp | then select the right application manager thing |
| 11:14.15 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Oh, damn. I've not got it installed atm and your repo is down |
| 11:14.27 | timeless_mbp | my repo is down?! |
| 11:14.49 | wazd | has found a good recipe to create unique theme for maemo5 |
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| 11:15.08 | wazd | open dark template, move hue a bit, save it, voi la :D |
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| 11:15.19 | timeless_mbp | 'unique'? |
| 11:15.23 | timeless_mbp | finds that questionable |
| 11:15.56 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: afaict, my repo is up |
| 11:16.02 | wazd | well, there are like 10 themes around including legendary godlike Pizerro that in fact just a dark theme with different hue value |
| 11:16.03 | tigert | wazd: :) |
| 11:16.08 | wazd | and wallpaper |
| 11:16.14 | tigert | wazd: yeah |
| 11:16.20 | tigert | but that pizerro was "unfinished" |
| 11:16.26 | tigert | it was largely based on the sdk theme still |
| 11:16.36 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I got errors from HAM. Let me recheck |
| 11:16.44 | wazd | I'd rather call such things "unstarted" :D |
| 11:17.07 | tigert | the "Melody/Harmony" variant pair is the development theme iirc |
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| 11:17.30 | wazd | I wonder if there is a possibility to change theme hue on the go |
| 11:17.42 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: "Unable to connect to timless.justdave.net http: [IP] 92.123.153.57 80] |
| 11:17.47 | wazd | an app or something |
| 11:17.47 | tigert | you could write a simple tool to recolor the bitmaps |
| 11:17.52 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: hrm |
| 11:17.54 | wazd | I can't :D |
| 11:18.01 | wazd | but it would be cool |
| 11:18.07 | timeless_mbp | [timeless@konigsberg nss]$ ping timeless.justdave.net |
| 11:18.07 | timeless_mbp | PING timeless.justdave.net (208.113.182.132) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 11:18.21 | tigert | wazd: once saw a hack for 770 by someone that did that |
| 11:18.22 | timeless_mbp | timless != timeless |
| 11:18.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: I'd like to remove the 'tanna_fi' buggy names from my N810 diablo |
| 11:19.05 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: sorry, which packages are you using right now? |
| 11:19.14 | timeless_mbp | my diablo enus1 or my fremantle enus1? |
| 11:19.23 | Corsac | lardman: I was just testing it |
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| 11:19.52 | timeless_mbp | if you installed the fremantle ones, there should be a control panel which lets you fix it by selecting Default |
| 11:19.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | err. no idea. How ould I tell? I never installed anything out of the main repo way |
| 11:20.21 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: did you install something from me? |
| 11:20.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 11:20.38 | timeless_mbp | so what gave 'tanna_fi' ? |
| 11:20.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | not deliberately |
| 11:20.40 | timeless_mbp | is confused |
| 11:20.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | no idea |
| 11:21.10 | timeless_mbp | well, let's start w/ simple stuff: |
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| 11:21.16 | timeless_mbp | dpkg -l '*en*1' |
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| 11:21.26 | timeless_mbp | if you have any enus1/engb1's, then we can work from there |
| 11:21.41 | timeless_mbp | if not, you'll have to at least tell me which app(s) are unhappy and probably offer at least one screenshot |
| 11:21.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | k, moment please |
| 11:21.45 | timeless_mbp | and we can work from there |
| 11:21.52 | timeless_mbp | needs to get unsick |
| 11:22.27 | FIQ | hm, the Xchat installation.. what repository is it in |
| 11:22.38 | FIQ | +? |
| 11:22.54 | SpeedEvil | extras-devel I think |
| 11:23.02 | FIQ | ah,k |
| 11:23.04 | SpeedEvil | ,aybe extras |
| 11:23.28 | FIQ | guess i have to deal with extras-devel's server problems before getting it i guess |
| 11:23.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Anyone have a giffgaff SIM and want to pretend to have referred me? |
| 11:23.52 | mece | testing at least. |
| 11:23.54 | mece | xchat |
| 11:24.16 | FIQ | RST38h: ping |
| 11:24.25 | FIQ | he knows! ;o |
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| 11:26.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ho hum, evidently not! |
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| 11:31.05 | DocScrutinizer-8 | timeless_mbp: no enus/engb. No unhappy apps. Just the appswitcher shows a home icon with 'tanna_fi_home \n tanna_fi_home_thumb' |
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| 11:31.40 | Orkut | ok, I'll try once more: since I'm being unable to install the sdk ... is there anyone willing to compile a very stupid little program for me in the meanwhile? |
| 11:31.46 | timeless_mbp | and this is the nokia n8x0 ? |
| 11:31.49 | timeless_mbp | what locale are you using? |
| 11:32.20 | timeless_mbp | (this is diablo and not mer-diablo) |
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| 11:33.16 | RST38h | Oh, finally, icons in HAM! |
| 11:33.29 | wazd | is going to write photoshop script for theme dithering to save the world |
| 11:33.47 | w00t | hm.. |
| 11:33.48 | wazd | RST38h: pretty good icons in fact :) |
| 11:33.48 | Arkenoi | where is my update? |
| 11:33.53 | w00t | is there a way to remotely reboot n900 from ssh? |
| 11:34.02 | w00t | shutdown doesn't seem to do it |
| 11:34.02 | wazd | Arkenoi: Not for sale, not for update :D |
| 11:34.03 | SpeedEvil | w00t: reboot IIRC |
| 11:34.26 | w00t | SpeedEvil: ta |
| 11:34.34 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 11:34.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | timeless_mbp: this is N810 diablo 5.2008.43-7. locale set to English (US) now but was set to german with no change |
| 11:34.54 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, looks decent |
| 11:35.19 | timeless_mbp | w00t: you probably need to be 'su' |
| 11:35.21 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Any thoughts on putting zenity in extras? |
| 11:35.24 | RST38h | there is a funny HAM-related bug by the way, not in HAM but apparently in the kernel |
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| 11:35.25 | w00t | timeless_mbp: I am |
| 11:35.34 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i definitely want it |
| 11:35.36 | timeless_mbp | _But_ |
| 11:35.40 | RST38h | When you minimize HAM, it stops downloading/installing stuff =) |
| 11:35.43 | timeless_mbp | it needs to be the zenity from my repo |
| 11:35.55 | timeless_mbp | the zenity from upstream doesn't have the window parent stuff |
| 11:36.07 | timeless_mbp | so if you put it in extras w/o that, you break my control panel integration |
| 11:37.08 | w00t | am I safe to chsh user to bash? busybox really irritates the heck out of me |
| 11:37.40 | slonopotamus | w00t, at least it was safe in diablo :) |
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| 11:37.51 | Arkenoi | wants qt keyboard input to be fixed. even more than ussd, proper bt headset disconnect handling, etc etc |
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| 11:37.51 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Let me put it another way, are you going to put your zenity in extras? ;-) |
| 11:37.56 | w00t | will just do it and live with the consequences :-) |
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| 11:42.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | w00t: nooo! will result in you reflashing |
| 11:43.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | timeless_mbp: any further comments on tanna_fi? |
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| 11:44.08 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: someone else has to do it if they want it sooner |
| 11:44.16 | timeless_mbp | it's probably best if you try to pull it in |
| 11:44.24 | timeless_mbp | i think the source package is in my repo |
| 11:44.30 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: /me nods. Is ther... ah, cool |
| 11:44.40 | timeless_mbp | if it isn't, poke me |
| 11:44.44 | timeless_mbp | but i'm not doing well |
| 11:44.46 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: So, should just be a case of doing "apt-get source" and uploading it ;-) |
| 11:44.48 | tigert | wow |
| 11:44.55 | tigert | the speedmeter app has a HUD mirror mode =) |
| 11:45.03 | timeless_mbp | lol |
| 11:45.10 | w00t | glares at DocScrutinizer-8 |
| 11:45.12 | w00t | :p |
| 11:45.53 | Jaffa | Question to the floor: presumably an "All" section in the applications menu is just as useful as it is in HAM when trying to find something |
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| 11:46.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | w00t: no joke. changing +in/sh breaks boot |
| 11:46.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.49 | w00t | I'm not changing /bin/sh, I'm using chsh |
| 11:46.59 | nomis | DocScrutinizer-8: well, "chsh" is not changing /bin/sh |
| 11:47.01 | w00t | subtle but very important difference |
| 11:47.12 | timeless_mbp | curses |
| 11:47.23 | w00t | timeless_mbp: sup? |
| 11:47.23 | timeless_mbp | maintaining a list of not fixed things is a royal pain |
| 11:47.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | check PBeck on tmo of yesterday |
| 11:47.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | same story |
| 11:47.51 | w00t | DocScrutinizer-8: and well, it already rebooted just fine so |
| 11:48.17 | lupine_85 | wonders how well maemo copes with 'ordinary' X applications |
| 11:48.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, strange |
| 11:48.41 | Muhvi-- | have you tried N900s front camera |
| 11:48.42 | mgedmin | lupine_85, poorly |
| 11:48.45 | w00t | DocScrutinizer-8: again, chsh is not changing /bin/sh, so if that's what he/she did and it broke, that's not what I did anyway :-) |
| 11:48.46 | range | lupine_85: ssh -X into my machine at home and then running xclock gives me a maximized xclock. |
| 11:48.48 | Muhvi-- | i have really shitty image quality |
| 11:48.56 | lupine_85 | range: fun :) |
| 11:48.56 | range | So yes, it works, but not quite as expected :) |
| 11:49.17 | mgedmin | or, rather, ordinary X apps assume things from the window manager that aren't guaranteed by the ICCCM spec but are provided by 99.9% of window managers out there, resulting in focus issues when those apps run on fremantle |
| 11:49.18 | w00t | Muhvi--: everyone does, I believe there's a few topics with theories/discussion/the reason on tmo |
| 11:49.38 | Muhvi-- | OK, thanks |
| 11:49.41 | lupine_85 | the huuuge dpi tends to break stuff anyway IME |
| 11:49.44 | Muhvi-- | i thought its broken |
| 11:49.57 | lupine_85 | (on another phone with a 297dpi) |
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| 11:51.02 | flux | I suppose someone could have a maemoized nested X-server for n900 for those uses? |
| 11:51.22 | flux | similar to those distributions running in chroot environments I think |
| 11:51.33 | pupnik | ty for the info mgedmin |
| 11:51.33 | flux | of course, "it's not the same" :) |
| 11:51.40 | pupnik | ty for the info mgedmin |
| 11:51.44 | pupnik | oop |
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| 11:52.31 | tigert | it doesnt really make sense to do "desktop" ui on tablet screen |
| 11:52.34 | tigert | its just way too small |
| 11:52.41 | LuciusMare | hi,why cant i use headphones and fm transmitter at once? |
| 11:52.46 | tigert | the easydebian can run gimp |
| 11:52.53 | tigert | and it wouldnt likely even be that slow |
| 11:52.57 | tigert | but the ui is just too small |
| 11:52.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | w00t: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40111 |
| 11:53.11 | tigert | no way you can draw anything sensibly when pixels are 0.1 mm wide |
| 11:53.12 | mgedmin | LuciusMare, rumour is the headphones would act as an antenna and broadcast the FM signal farther than is legally allowed in many countries |
| 11:53.35 | LuciusMare | so its purely software? |
| 11:53.43 | Zeddy | omg |
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| 11:53.52 | Zeddy | ovi store is cool |
| 11:56.59 | timeless_mbp | takes a minute to kick andre__ |
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| 11:57.47 | tekojo | timeless no kicking the bugmaster! |
| 11:57.56 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: sorry, he deserved it |
| 11:58.07 | timeless_mbp | changing the resolution of an invalid bug is not proper |
| 11:58.08 | tekojo | just gently stroke his hair and tell him to be nice again |
| 11:58.17 | timeless_mbp | especially when the reporter actually went off and filed the bug again |
| 11:58.29 | timeless_mbp | the second copy of the bug was slightly better than the first copy |
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| 11:58.34 | timeless_mbp | although, still horrible |
| 11:58.38 | mrmg | hi guys |
| 11:58.41 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, you having problems with users being vague is not my problem |
| 11:58.52 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, and keep my aliases otherwise I kick you. |
| 11:58.52 | timeless_mbp | andre__: he already filed it again |
| 11:58.56 | mrmg | downloading these maemo images are taking ages. :( |
| 11:59.03 | mrmg | Works internet sucks |
| 11:59.09 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, then I block him. as easy as that :) |
| 11:59.19 | timeless_mbp | mrmg: don't download images |
| 11:59.23 | mrmg | !? |
| 11:59.27 | timeless_mbp | why in the world would you download an image |
| 11:59.28 | mrmg | I'm in Windows 7 |
| 11:59.36 | timeless_mbp | uh huh |
| 11:59.38 | mrmg | So need to run it through a VM |
| 11:59.49 | timeless_mbp | what 'image' are you downloading? |
| 11:59.50 | mrmg | Or am I confuzzled? |
| 12:00.03 | timeless_mbp | dunno, depends what the heck you're trying to do |
| 12:00.12 | mrmg | Maemo_PreFinal_2_Ubuntu.... |
| 12:00.12 | timeless_mbp | if you're trying to download a VMWare or SDK image, then that's ok |
| 12:00.16 | timeless_mbp | ah |
| 12:00.19 | timeless_mbp | yeah, sorry |
| 12:00.23 | mrmg | hehe |
| 12:00.23 | mgedmin | PreFinal sounds a bit strange |
| 12:00.24 | mrmg | :) |
| 12:00.27 | mrmg | For Eclipse. |
| 12:00.31 | timeless_mbp | 9 times out of 10 people are foolishly downloading FIASCOs |
| 12:00.35 | mrmg | Couldn't find a newer one. PreFinal 2 I think |
| 12:00.37 | timeless_mbp | which is just a fiasco. |
| 12:00.51 | mgedmin | speaking of firmware images, is the 44-1 update available as a SSU? |
| 12:00.55 | VDVsx | andre__, the bug trolls arrived ? :D |
| 12:00.55 | timeless_mbp | you happened to be the exception, but it's safer to start with "you're probably doing the wrong thing" |
| 12:00.59 | mgedmin | I ask because I can't see it in my app manager |
| 12:01.00 | mrmg | mgedmin: yep |
| 12:01.04 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: patience. |
| 12:01.08 | mrmg | Mine showed up yesterday |
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| 12:01.21 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: there's a staggered deployment |
| 12:01.23 | mrmg | timeless_mbp: No worries. ;-) |
| 12:01.32 | timeless_mbp | just to encourage people to complain and be confused about availability |
| 12:01.34 | Jaffa | Does anyone know of a way of restarting Hildon desktop nicely (without a reboot)? (Stskeeps?) |
| 12:01.37 | mrmg | I wanna get developing stuff. But it's my first time (developing) on linux/maemo |
| 12:01.42 | mrmg | Done some android and iphone stuff |
| 12:01.43 | RST38h | Average Budget For Major, Multi-platform Games Is $18-28 Million |
| 12:01.44 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: killall hildon-desktop |
| 12:01.49 | timeless_mbp | killall hildon-home |
| 12:01.52 | timeless_mbp | killall hildon-status-menu |
| 12:01.56 | timeless_mbp | all of those are safe :) |
| 12:02.01 | timeless_mbp | well, ok, not entirely safe |
| 12:02.13 | timeless_mbp | if you're really unlucky the Display Driver throws a tantrum |
| 12:02.14 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Without triggeting the watchdog? |
| 12:02.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | timeless_mbp: I see you're quite busy and feel sick. Let's postpone the tanna_fi issue (it's not actually a showstopper anyway ;-) May I ping you later on that topic again? |
| 12:02.17 | timeless_mbp | but it does that anyway |
| 12:02.19 | mgedmin | actually, if you kill hildon-desktop a certain number of times, won't dsme decide to reboot? |
| 12:02.20 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: without |
| 12:02.29 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: in a row w/in a certain time period |
| 12:02.52 | timeless_mbp | at least, i hope it's sane and doesn't think uptime of 10,000 days entitles you to the same kill limit as uptime of 2mins |
| 12:02.56 | wazd | RST38h: that's with commercial engine I think |
| 12:03.07 | wazd | RST38h: Like UE3 |
| 12:03.09 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer-8: yeah, but not for a while |
| 12:03.18 | timeless_mbp | complains about stomach being disagreeable |
| 12:03.27 | RST38h | wazd: tops at $50-60mil |
| 12:03.31 | jhp | Who can tell me if those document viewers that you can buy are any good? |
| 12:03.31 | VDVsx | Q: if I buy something in Ovi store and than reflash my device, I've to buy it again ? |
| 12:03.44 | timeless_mbp | jhp: i'm biased |
| 12:03.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | timeless_mbp: no problem. Feel free to answer 'not yet' when I ping you next time |
| 12:03.54 | timeless_mbp | but they work well enough to handle nokia internal documents |
| 12:03.58 | VDVsx | jhe, there's a trial I think |
| 12:04.04 | Jaffa | VDVsx: At the moment there is only piece of paid content which comes as a package (AFAICT) which is angrybirds-levelpack1 |
| 12:04.06 | RST38h | wazd: and you weanted to develop and sell for $1.99 ;) |
| 12:04.09 | timeless_mbp | jhp: they aren't localized |
| 12:04.14 | timeless_mbp | and their ui is moderately lame |
| 12:04.14 | jhp | VDVsx: Yes, I found that. |
| 12:04.24 | timeless_mbp | but functionally which is what matters, they work |
| 12:04.25 | wazd | RST38h: well :D |
| 12:04.46 | jhp | It's only 10 dollar I think, so not really that expencive. |
| 12:04.56 | wazd | RST38h: I really don't think that some indie games have such huge budgets |
| 12:04.58 | timeless_mbp | (my bias is that nokia gave me a license, and i tried to send them feedback) |
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| 12:05.31 | timeless_mbp | jhp: roughly, if your office deals in ms docs (as Nokia does for me) and you expect to encounter them, it's probably worth the purchase |
| 12:05.41 | VDVsx | Jaffa, and do you know if I need to buy it again if I reflash or can just download it ? :) |
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| 12:05.47 | jhp | ok. |
| 12:05.48 | timeless_mbp | if you're only expecting to encounter docs on the web, i'd try google docs instead |
| 12:05.49 | jhp | clear. |
| 12:05.55 | RST38h | wazd: Well I can write a game in 1 day's time |
| 12:06.04 | RST38h | wazd: But it will suck :) |
| 12:06.11 | jhp | And can I use it to show powerpoint presentations through a beamer? |
| 12:06.21 | timeless_mbp | 'beamer'? |
| 12:06.28 | zaheer_ | projector |
| 12:06.39 | zaheer_ | people have weird names for them |
| 12:06.40 | timeless_mbp | the n900's 3.5mm jack can be used for composite out |
| 12:07.00 | jhp | ok |
| 12:07.05 | zaheer_ | if someone told me aurally beamer, i'd assume he meant a bmw vehicle |
| 12:07.07 | wazd | RST38h: 50-60 are the budgets for Halo grade games, with huge advertising |
| 12:07.10 | timeless_mbp | i used mine w/ a projector @w3 tpac in Santa Clara, CA, US in november |
| 12:07.16 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I did an apt-get install angrybirds-levelpack1 without problem; although never having played Angry Birds I dunno how to check whether or nt I've got it |
| 12:07.16 | timeless_mbp | zaheer_++ |
| 12:07.33 | timeless_mbp | jhp: there shouldn't be any reason the slide show wouldn't work |
| 12:07.41 | timeless_mbp | but it won't really know that your display is odd |
| 12:07.45 | zaheer_ | Jaffa, without paying? |
| 12:07.51 | VDVsx | Jaffa, lol |
| 12:08.02 | VDVsx | already completed all the free levels |
| 12:08.04 | wazd | RST38h: don't think that IL-2 shtuÿmovik had 20+ budget when it was done |
| 12:08.12 | zaheer_ | just paid for the level pack because this morning i completed the free ones |
| 12:08.15 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: what is this? |
| 12:08.22 | zaheer_ | angry birds |
| 12:08.22 | timeless_mbp | or where is this? |
| 12:08.23 | wazd | RST38h: and World of Goo too :) |
| 12:08.27 | timeless_mbp | are you guys actually using store. ? |
| 12:08.39 | zaheer_ | timeless_mbp, yah angry birds is endless fun |
| 12:08.46 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, yes, just for angry birds |
| 12:09.06 | timeless_mbp | does it require a nokia/ovi.com account? |
| 12:09.22 | zaheer_ | yes |
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| 12:09.27 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 12:09.28 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Then I'd be *very* interested to know what happens when you apt-get ;-) |
| 12:09.35 | RST38h | wazd: That was before =) |
| 12:09.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | timeless_mbp: I'm planning to use it to *sell* crap for gold ;-P |
| 12:09.47 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNNzRyd1xz0 |
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| 12:09.55 | wazd | RST38h: well, WoG is a pretty fresh game |
| 12:09.57 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer-8: "Maemo 6"! :) |
| 12:10.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | lol |
| 12:10.15 | Nitial | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.24 | xorAxAx | spelled mäemo 6 to avoid lawyers |
| 12:10.38 | timeless_mbp | oh |
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| 12:10.45 | timeless_mbp | i played a flash game like this |
| 12:10.49 | timeless_mbp | it was a castle game |
| 12:10.52 | wazd | RST38h: idea is everything, budget can just minimize faults if you're not a pro :) |
| 12:11.06 | timeless_mbp | it worked nicely on my n900 |
| 12:11.14 | RST38h | wazd: But where do I shoot monsters in 3D? |
| 12:11.20 | wazd | RST38h: current game scene is out of ideas :) |
| 12:11.32 | RST38h | 3D monsters take money! |
| 12:11.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that's why they're called monsters |
| 12:12.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | 3USD monsters |
| 12:12.32 | wazd | RST38h: Btw, do you know bout TeeWars? :) |
| 12:12.48 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: doesn't look like the zenity sources are up there |
| 12:12.52 | timeless_mbp | wonders where they are |
| 12:12.55 | wazd | RST38h: http://www.teeworlds.com/ |
| 12:12.59 | thesov | im very upset my phone is just a lump right now |
| 12:13.04 | w00t | timeless_mbp: does the file of typed browser URLs get trimmed? |
| 12:13.12 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 12:13.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | friggin angry birds rebooted my device on quit. Also I don't think it's so exceptionally great |
| 12:13.26 | wazd | RST38h: I think it can be ported to the n900 |
| 12:13.34 | timeless_mbp | the ui spec demanded the urlbar have a character field limit |
| 12:13.36 | w00t | timeless_mbp: .browser_typed_urls |
| 12:13.37 | timeless_mbp | if that's what you mean |
| 12:13.39 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Ho hum |
| 12:13.42 | timeless_mbp | w00t: oh |
| 12:13.49 | timeless_mbp | um, probably not ;-) |
| 12:13.57 | w00t | (character field limit? wtf.) |
| 12:14.10 | timeless_mbp | w00t: ui specifiers have too much time on their hands |
| 12:14.14 | timeless_mbp | so they invent stupid work |
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| 12:14.28 | w00t | :-) |
| 12:14.38 | w00t | I suppose they have to justify their existance somehow |
| 12:15.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | bbl |
| 12:16.38 | wazd | RST38h: http://i080.radikal.ru/1001/16/0eafda820117.png |
| 12:17.10 | Stskeeps | RST38h: hmm, do you use omapfb directly in some of your emus? |
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| 12:19.35 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: do you have a build env? |
| 12:20.28 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Not with me at the moment |
| 12:20.30 | timeless_mbp | wonders why the zenity sources are ~16mb |
| 12:20.47 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: well, if i put up the zenity sources i think i used |
| 12:21.03 | timeless_mbp | could you eventually build them, confirm they interop w/ the packages i have, and then push them through the builders? |
| 12:22.28 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: timeless.justdave.net/maemo/zenity-src.tgz (eta:3min) |
| 12:23.48 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I'll try to. No promises. |
| 12:23.57 | timeless_mbp | i'm not specifically in a hurry :) |
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| 12:24.22 | timeless_mbp | file's up |
| 12:24.37 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: ta |
| 12:24.47 | mrmg | First thing I'm going to make is widget. Is that a good place to start? |
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| 12:25.20 | xorAxAx | mrmg: a widget is the most proprietary form of application but there are instructions for it on the wiki |
| 12:25.43 | timeless_mbp | mrmg: i'd personally start w/ an application |
| 12:25.47 | timeless_mbp | they're the 'simplest' |
| 12:25.48 | Corsac | hmhm, do we have the estimated range of the fm transmitter? |
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| 12:25.54 | mrmg | Ah, okies |
| 12:25.59 | timeless_mbp | then i changed from that to a control panel |
| 12:26.01 | xorAxAx | Corsac: the manual claims up to 3m |
| 12:26.05 | timeless_mbp | but i had a special goal |
| 12:26.17 | timeless_mbp | for the browser, we started as an application |
| 12:26.23 | Corsac | mpf, that's not really enough |
| 12:26.27 | timeless_mbp | and later (internally, it's a secret) made a widget |
| 12:26.53 | Corsac | as we have an fm receiver and an fm transmitter I wondered about a âwalkie talkieâ apps :) |
| 12:26.56 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: FCC and friends do not approve of much more powerful w/o a proper license |
| 12:26.59 | Corsac | yeah |
| 12:27.14 | Corsac | it'd have been fun :) |
| 12:27.18 | xorAxAx | Corsac: hah |
| 12:27.19 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: adhoc + ahava? |
| 12:27.38 | timeless_mbp | ahavi/? avahi? |
| 12:27.44 | Corsac | avahi |
| 12:27.51 | Corsac | but yeah, there are other ways |
| 12:28.01 | xorAxAx | but such an app would rock |
| 12:28.08 | Corsac | but pure radio would be fun :) |
| 12:28.11 | xorAxAx | "Phone n900 user XYZ on this network" |
| 12:28.19 | Corsac | CQ CQ |
| 12:28.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | Corsac: less than 10 mters but feasible |
| 12:28.39 | xorAxAx | does ekiga have avahi support? |
| 12:28.50 | mrmg | Corsac: I was playing with mine last night and it only worked really near my car radio. In my pocket it was really breaking up. |
| 12:28.59 | Jaffa | wazd: Using the "Other" and "All" icons from HAM now: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30863507@N02/4268177643/ |
| 12:29.01 | Corsac | http://www.maemomobiletalk.com/2009/09/17/hamcentral/ |
| 12:29.16 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: when will you release? :) |
| 12:29.27 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Hope to get it in extras-devel today |
| 12:29.45 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: cool, ping me when its ready |
| 12:29.48 | SpeedEvil | apt-get for angry birds works fine |
| 12:29.57 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so you got the strings? |
| 12:30.22 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: did you see my query? |
| 12:30.30 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 12:31.30 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: No, not yet |
| 12:31.47 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: one warning, you really want to look at en_US.0 not en_US.1 |
| 12:31.48 | mrmg | Is there anything for on device development? |
| 12:32.02 | timeless_mbp | because .1's carry legacy strings for other platforms :) |
| 12:32.27 | timeless_mbp | mrmg: you can add the sdk repo |
| 12:32.32 | timeless_mbp | or tools repo |
| 12:32.44 | timeless_mbp | adding the sdk repo is likely to make your device into a shiny brick |
| 12:32.47 | timeless_mbp | so be very careful |
| 12:33.16 | timeless_mbp | personally, i do most of my device coding in perl w/ zenity |
| 12:33.20 | mrmg | bricking is fine, I've owned a Zaurus which spent most of it's time bricked. :) |
| 12:33.23 | timeless_mbp | so i can use my device for dv work |
| 12:33.34 | timeless_mbp | s/dv/dev/ |
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| 12:34.48 | jjo | aika moni on kyllä tykännyt n900:sta kun on käyttänyt sitä vähän pidempään |
| 12:34.50 | ccooke | mrmg: ... how did you brick a Zaurus? |
| 12:34.56 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: my problem is that nokia has taken teh debian approach to bug tracking |
| 12:34.58 | jjo | oops |
| 12:34.58 | ccooke | mrmg: seriously, what did you *do* to it? :-) |
| 12:35.01 | mrmg | ccooke: Just flashing roms |
| 12:35.05 | timeless_mbp | any bug is a valid bug and can always be added to the changelog |
| 12:35.10 | timeless_mbp | even if the bug was never valid |
| 12:35.12 | mrmg | Could always get it back |
| 12:35.16 | timeless_mbp | or was found long after it was already fixed |
| 12:35.25 | mrmg | But would often just be stuck with access to nothing but the flash menu |
| 12:35.28 | ccooke | mrmg: oh, okay. |
| 12:35.59 | ccooke | mrmg: you know there are another two rom boot modes? |
| 12:36.29 | ccooke | I wish every device was as unbrickable as the Zaurus, I have to say :-) |
| 12:36.40 | mrmg | hehe |
| 12:36.52 | mrmg | I've probably gone through a fair few different modes. |
| 12:37.04 | mrmg | But I forget most of it now |
| 12:37.31 | mrmg | ccooke: You seen that new linux thing sharp have made? |
| 12:37.38 | mrmg | Looks like an ultra sexy zaurus |
| 12:37.46 | Stskeeps | wtf :P |
| 12:37.52 | ShadowJK | tigert: there's a guy in this chan who has a production (i think) device where the magnet fell out of back cover too :) |
| 12:37.58 | ccooke | mrmg: build quality looked terrible, though |
| 12:38.03 | Stskeeps | i just managed to get my mer/n900 on charger to survive taking out the battery |
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| 12:38.08 | ccooke | reviews confirmed it, too |
| 12:38.09 | Stskeeps | and putting it back in again |
| 12:38.19 | ccooke | Stskeeps: ... really? *interesting* |
| 12:38.28 | ccooke | It's not supposed to do that... :-) |
| 12:38.42 | mrmg | ccooke: Oh damn, looked like a fun gadget |
| 12:38.44 | red | how do I make playlists for the media player on my pc so it finds the media files on the device too? |
| 12:38.53 | mrmg | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/sharps-5-inch-pc-z1-netwalker-honors-the-zaurus-legacy/ |
| 12:39.18 | Stskeeps | ccooke: i assume it's going to explode in my face in a moment |
| 12:39.25 | mrmg | haha |
| 12:40.17 | w00t | Stskeeps: it was nice knowing you |
| 12:40.19 | ccooke | heh |
| 12:40.27 | Stskeeps | ccooke: basically it stayed up for some seconds and then shut down |
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| 12:40.42 | ccooke | Stskeeps: interesting. |
| 12:41.05 | ccooke | Stskeeps: dunno if you saw me say, but my wife's n900 now has a broken microusb port. Talk about bad luck :-/ |
| 12:41.17 | gavin | seems to be a common problem |
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| 12:41.40 | gavin | I know two other people whose n900 microusb ports have gotten detached |
| 12:42.16 | ccooke | yeah |
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| 12:43.05 | ccooke | On the plus side, I still have my loaner. So, plan: Get a battery charger, move her settings to the loaner (which also has a broken microusb), then get her phone repaired. Minimum disruption |
| 12:43.26 | tigert | red: the device finds your media files automatically |
| 12:43.38 | tigert | red: oh wait |
| 12:43.41 | red | I know, but I don't want to play by artist or genre or album. |
| 12:43.46 | tigert | red: you want to play the files on the N900 in your pc? |
| 12:43.46 | ccooke | hmm. I must remember to warn her about the update problem... |
| 12:43.49 | mrmg | why didn't they use micro usb? |
| 12:43.53 | red | It won't support playing by directory + subdirs |
| 12:43.57 | tigert | oh yeah |
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| 12:43.58 | red | so I want to make my own playlist files |
| 12:43.59 | tigert | it wont |
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| 12:44.19 | ShadowJK | thesov2: do you have a lab powersupply? |
| 12:44.20 | Corsac | mrmg: they do use microusb? |
| 12:44.20 | red | just wondered how one would do them on PC so the player in N900 would recognize it |
| 12:44.24 | tigert | the mediaplayer supports .pls for netradio... |
| 12:44.31 | tigert | maybe those could be opened wtih filemanager? |
| 12:44.35 | Corsac | mrmg: anyway this is the standard now |
| 12:44.38 | tigert | try if it works? |
| 12:44.51 | ccooke | well, not so much a problem. When you restore from a reflash or someone elses backup and get all their photos and image files, the phone becomes almost entirely unresponsive for an hour or two. |
| 12:44.59 | tigert | red: it doesnt probably support playlists that way though |
| 12:44.59 | red | if I save the pls on my pc, doesn't the directory structure save as my PC had them |
| 12:45.00 | ccooke | Turned out to be the thumbnail daemon... |
| 12:45.03 | red | god the player is bad :S |
| 12:45.07 | mrmg | oh, mini-usb then |
| 12:45.19 | mrmg | Most of my other devices are mini-usb |
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| 12:45.29 | red | What I'd give for having a decent mp3 player on the N900. |
| 12:45.36 | Corsac | all phones are supposed to use micro-usb as a charging port now |
| 12:45.40 | ccooke | mrmg: they used microusb because it's the (enforced) standard in china and (strongly recommended) new standard in Europe. |
| 12:45.41 | mrmg | red: there should be plenty? |
| 12:45.49 | Corsac | now why it is micro and not mini, I don't know |
| 12:46.05 | mrmg | ccooke: I thought this was some propiatry port as I'm used to those other ones. No worries. At least it's a standard |
| 12:46.06 | ccooke | Because it's smaller. |
| 12:46.12 | mrmg | We've got in enforced in Europe too |
| 12:46.16 | flux | ccooke, it is often claimed that it is better designed for multiple disconnection/connection cycles |
| 12:46.20 | mrmg | Although I think it's only a 'gentlemans' agreement |
| 12:46.25 | ccooke | not enforced, just stronly reconnended. |
| 12:46.40 | flux | also it has been claimed it is a better fit for the manufacturing process |
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| 12:47.09 | tigert | red: well, try .pls's |
| 12:47.15 | tigert | I dunno if they work, never tried |
| 12:48.27 | SpeedEvil | Angry birds is so cool. |
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| 12:48.36 | SpeedEvil | You can fail in such beautiful ways |
| 12:48.50 | Corsac | lardman: ok, about the qr code, I tried to read a tag containing a vcard, mbarcode read it but failed to present the vcard (I guess it's just not supported) |
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| 12:49.26 | zash | vcard or mecard? |
| 12:49.45 | tigert | SpeedEvil: it is awesome :) |
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| 12:50.04 | tigert | its has the same stuff that makes numptyphysics so fun |
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| 12:50.21 | red | mrmg: plenty players so far, haven't found one decent |
| 12:51.19 | red | they all play files np, but bein gused to iPod level functions they all seem lacking. Mainly I'd just want to be able to play back my own playlists or media by folder+subfolder way since I have alot of different gernes I listen and don't want to mix up depending on mood :P |
| 12:51.19 | wazd_e63 | Konttori_nokia: around?) |
| 12:51.37 | red | -typos |
| 12:51.55 | wazd_e63 | Canola can play by genre |
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| 12:52.33 | wazd_e63 | And allows playlist creation otg |
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| 12:53.58 | wazd_e63 | anyone interested in hue changer app? |
| 12:54.08 | red | wazd_e63: so can teh default player |
| 12:54.31 | red | if I wan't to listen to drum n bass I have to pick between Drum n' Bass, Jungle, 2-step and so on |
| 12:54.35 | Corsac | wazd_e63: can canola use gapless playback? |
| 12:54.40 | wazd_e63 | It doesn't allow playlist creation imo |
| 12:54.44 | red | if Metal, I can only pick Metal, Melodic Death Metal, Trash Metal, etc |
| 12:54.47 | red | see the problem? |
| 12:54.54 | apol | is it possible to update the maemo thingie from linux? |
| 12:54.56 | wazd_e63 | Corsac: don't think so |
| 12:55.04 | apol | (it's asking me for nokia pc suite :S) |
| 12:55.04 | Corsac | mrpf |
| 12:55.14 | Corsac | apol: use OTA update? |
| 12:55.36 | wazd_e63 | Stop listening to that music abominations :D |
| 12:55.51 | apol | what is OTA? |
| 12:56.04 | wazd_e63 | Over the air |
| 12:57.11 | wazd_e63 | Cmon guys, hue changer seems to be very basic app but it will save the world! |
| 12:57.18 | Corsac | will i |
| 12:57.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | red: I end up just going by artist instead of genre for moods, doesn't work so well *cries* |
| 12:57.42 | konttori_nokia | wazd_e63, yes |
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| 12:58.11 | wazd_e63 | Konttori_nokia: maybe you're interested?) |
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| 12:58.30 | konttori_nokia | of what? |
| 12:58.52 | red | Gadgetoid_mbp: that's what I've been doing now and then I realized I've used mp3 player like 50% less than when I was running with iPhone |
| 12:58.57 | red | which is kinda sad :l |
| 12:58.58 | wazd_e63 | Small app that can change theme hue right on the device |
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| 12:59.11 | wazd_e63 | Konttori_nokia: ^ |
| 13:00.16 | Gadgetoid_mbp | red: I don't think the N900 will ever parallel the iPhone as a music player.. fortunately GPodder makes it a good podcast downloader... swings and roundabouts |
| 13:00.56 | red | gPodder is lovely :) |
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| 13:01.19 | red | and I know it won't parallel, N900 won't have Genius :P |
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| 13:01.29 | SpeedEvil | huh? I just managed to fire three birds at once |
| 13:01.37 | red | I just wish it had the basic concept of playing what I wan't it to play. |
| 13:01.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: you shouldn't have fired them in the first place |
| 13:01.48 | rkc | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ => this page talks about "Run Settings > Control Panel > USB networking" |
| 13:01.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | hired* |
| 13:01.58 | rkc | but i couldnt see any control panel in my tablet |
| 13:02.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Way to mess up an awesome joke *facepalm* |
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| 13:02.33 | range | *clap* *clap* |
| 13:03.21 | rkc | where can i see the control panel? |
| 13:04.15 | SpeedEvil | Aha! |
| 13:04.24 | SpeedEvil | release the bird, then tap immediately |
| 13:04.57 | slonopotamus | ... |
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| 13:05.16 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, did you try to watch instructions? :) |
| 13:05.27 | SpeedEvil | I saw none |
| 13:05.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | instructions?? |
| 13:06.03 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, blue one splits into three when you tap :P |
| 13:06.20 | SpeedEvil | oh! at any time. Awesome |
| 13:06.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | there was one very instructive pic for instructions |
| 13:07.46 | wazd_e63 | is it that new game for n900 with birds? |
| 13:08.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:09.13 | wazd_e63 | Gamescene on n900 is a tough place, cause you can't release Flashback for 5 bucks here) |
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| 13:09.45 | konttori_nokia | wazd_e63, well, perhaps there are some uses, but the hue change won't be very interesting for the black themes |
| 13:10.01 | konttori_nokia | are you planning to make one? |
| 13:10.09 | wazd_e63 | konttori_nokia: why so?) |
| 13:10.17 | konttori_nokia | or is there one already? |
| 13:10.42 | wazd_e63 | There are already 10 variarions of black theme with different hue |
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| 13:12.09 | wazd_e63 | I can't make one cause I'm not a coder, I'm looking for someone to help) |
| 13:12.27 | lopz | hi ;) |
| 13:12.30 | slonopotamus | ouch |
| 13:12.37 | slonopotamus | second screen of levels |
| 13:13.23 | apol | is is there any document about how to update maemo? i feel really lost -.- (it's asking me to backup. i do and then i can't get out of there :S) |
| 13:13.44 | red | extras-devel down? |
| 13:14.21 | timeless_mbp | konttori_nokia: did Stskeeps poke you about the matchbox/ .xml typo? |
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| 13:16.51 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: see, nobody's interested even in writting 40 rows of code, and you were telling me to administrate something my own :D |
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| 13:17.19 | lcuk | thats because its gonna get MUCH more, theres very few themes that are a single hue |
| 13:17.36 | lcuk | but if you notice RST38h is very nicely trying to follow your xchat styling |
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| 13:17.47 | lcuk | and doing a great job of it! |
| 13:18.17 | wazd_e63 | How can I notice it I wonder :D |
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| 13:19.01 | thesov | in order to flash the phone does the battery have to actually be full, or is mostly charged good enough? |
| 13:19.41 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: anyway, I doubt that hue changer is that difficult to code |
| 13:20.17 | villager | split the birds? ooh, was that what that picture in angry birds meant? I thought it just meant that the small birdies was good for smashing ice and the yellow birdies good for smashing wood |
| 13:20.20 | frals | if i had the know-how to do it i'd probably do it.. but, alas, i don't ;< |
| 13:20.33 | villager | that game really could use some real instructions |
| 13:20.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | thesov: plugged into mains, if you want to play it safe |
| 13:21.01 | lcuk | wazd_e63, its not that much to change hue of an image, but as i said most themes are multi hued |
| 13:21.59 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: so? |
| 13:22.00 | villager | I just couldn't figure that illustration out even if I tried |
| 13:22.15 | ShadowJK | thesov, out of interest, do you have a multimeter? |
| 13:22.38 | red | mmh |
| 13:22.42 | red | any MediaBox users here? |
| 13:22.42 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: is that a problem?) |
| 13:23.02 | red | first launch, click clear index now -> update index now and it takes 0.1sec for it to say index is up to date by no media at all is listed |
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| 13:25.57 | slonopotamus | woah |
| 13:26.02 | slonopotamus | bomb birds rock |
| 13:26.05 | roshenia | how can i remove devel_adhoc? |
| 13:26.08 | pupnik | make tracker more aggressive for large lists perhaps |
| 13:26.26 | pupnik | the new game from the bounce guys? |
| 13:26.31 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: if you change the hue value for something with nice color combination - you'll usually get another nice color combination |
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| 13:27.43 | tybollt | hmm |
| 13:27.51 | tybollt | bunch of maemo updates this morning |
| 13:28.02 | tybollt | mostly qt-related... |
| 13:28.10 | red | i had updates too, and when I clicked update nothing happened and now its not listing updates anymore |
| 13:28.15 | red | maemo 5 update was one of them hmm |
| 13:29.01 | tybollt | red: well the updates I had would not appear in the app manager - only by doing the apt-get dance would I get them |
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| 13:30.16 | Wolfie | all apps seem to be 0.00MB in ovi store. I guess that's what makes it Beta |
| 13:31.00 | pupnik | you think you should be able to apt-get them all? |
| 13:31.01 | ifreq | Wolfie: sign in |
| 13:31.12 | pupnik | w/o ... ty ifreq |
| 13:31.19 | red | ill try apt-get update |
| 13:31.56 | Wolfie | ifreq: I mean in the application's description. At least Games > Arcade > Labyrinth Lite has "Arcade - 0.00 MB" underneath its screenshot |
| 13:32.13 | Wolfie | and signing in didn't make a difference |
| 13:32.14 | pupnik | ahh |
| 13:32.18 | ifreq | ah okay |
| 13:32.30 | ifreq | Wolfie: youll see the app size atleast when installing |
| 13:32.36 | red | wtf, my keyboard lights just went out |
| 13:32.39 | Wolfie | ifreq: sure, there it's correct |
| 13:32.41 | ifreq | so didnt think so much |
| 13:32.51 | ShadowJK | red, is your room dark? |
| 13:32.53 | Wolfie | or, at least it shows something above 0.00MB ;) |
| 13:33.07 | red | ShadowJK: ceiling lamp on |
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| 13:33.25 | red | didnt realize it automaticly does it based on lighting =) |
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| 13:33.57 | Wolfie | red: the screen gets also dimmer in darker environments |
| 13:34.12 | Wolfie | although, the screen is too bright in a pitch-black room |
| 13:34.14 | ShadowJK | if the light sensor thing thinks it's light enough, it switches off keyboard light, but there's also an inactivity timer that switches it off after inactivity |
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| 13:34.53 | ShadowJK | the light sensor can't measure difference between dusk and dark, let alone dark and pitch black :( |
| 13:34.54 | red | Wolfie: well I installed the app to change brightness from the system tray thigny |
| 13:35.04 | red | quite fast to put on the dimmest one |
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| 13:36.10 | Wolfie | red: I avoid using my phone in the middle of night. But it was pain in the a--, i mean eyes, when I needed to do a reminder before sleep |
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| 13:38.14 | rkc | hi guys.. when i try to install some packages.. it keep on bugging about the dependancies in loop.. is there any command in apt-get to install all necessary dependancies? |
| 13:38.18 | slonopotamus | loool :D minethrowers |
| 13:38.34 | ShadowJK | it's worse when you wake up in pitch black and flip the lock button, for a moment you wonder if you accidentally stabbed yourself in the face with a lightsaber ;D |
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| 13:39.27 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 13:39.52 | SpeedEvil | I find the screen backlight PWM to be too slow |
| 13:40.00 | SpeedEvil | especially reading at night |
| 13:40.14 | SpeedEvil | flickers a little at lowest illuminations |
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| 13:40.26 | Khertan | Hello Everybody ! |
| 13:40.31 | jebba | SpeedEvil: i got your modules built + cryptsetup, btw |
| 13:40.34 | Khertan | Jaffa: Are you here ? |
| 13:40.57 | SpeedEvil | jebba: yeah - I need to wake up today. Just been taking it easy smashing birds into rocks. |
| 13:41.00 | wazd_e63 | Khertan: heya |
| 13:42.14 | Khertan | Jaffa: on py2deb package pages you said : "Doesn't declare a dependency on dpkg-dev, which provides dpkg-buildpackage (which is still used!) and is only available in the SDK repo :-(" ... i didn't understand, there is no need of dpkg-buildpackage dependancy it s not used, and i ve verify. |
| 13:42.17 | Khertan | Hi wazd_e63 |
| 13:42.17 | wazd_e63 | konttori_nokia: btw, do you plan to add templates for ham and media/clock icons? |
| 13:43.19 | wazd_e63 | If they are themeable |
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| 13:44.50 | Wolfie | can I calibrate my accelerometer somehow? it's off kilter |
| 13:45.34 | SpeedEvil | how off? |
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| 13:45.42 | kirma | you can try your luck by removing batteries for a while and giving it another try |
| 13:46.01 | kirma | I think that was suggested somewhere for a major deviation |
| 13:46.25 | SpeedEvil | Also - if the accellerometer is reporting an accelleration towards you, you may consider a diet. |
| 13:46.40 | kirma | each sensor should have calibration values on it written by the sensor manufacturer |
| 13:46.42 | wazd_e63 | Wow, crazy woman is yelling a lection bout USSR in the subway) |
| 13:46.43 | Wolfie | SpeedEvil: the horizon app says, on a flat table, that it's leaning 4 degrees, if i remember correctly |
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| 13:46.56 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: err. |
| 13:46.56 | Wolfie | and labyrinth lite had the ball rolling when i had my phone flat on the table |
| 13:46.58 | SpeedEvil | thinks |
| 13:47.11 | konttori_nokia | wazd_e63, they can be themed, but I haven't yet decided completely how to do it. |
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| 13:47.24 | Wolfie | let me recheck |
| 13:47.28 | mgedmin | Wolfie, the camera cover/kickstand makes the n900 not precisely flat on the bottom, doesn't it? |
| 13:47.32 | konttori_nokia | just bought the angry birds level pack! |
| 13:47.38 | SpeedEvil | !math s(1/64) |
| 13:47.39 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:47.46 | Wolfie | mgedmin: it rolled the wrong way, in that case |
| 13:47.49 | konttori_nokia | payment worked only on 4th attempt :( |
| 13:47.56 | mgedmin | overcompensating maybe ;) |
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| 13:48.11 | wazd_e63 | Konttori_nokia: share the torrent, be the first maemo pirate!)) |
| 13:48.12 | Wolfie | 4.1, 4.2 degrees on a flat table |
| 13:48.13 | Jaffa | Hmm. Conclusion on bug 7315 is interesting: "it's not like we changed it for arbitrary, subjective reasons" (after outlining arbitrary, subjective reasons ;-)) |
| 13:48.15 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7315 X Terminal application icon looks ugly compared with previous versions |
| 13:48.41 | konttori_nokia | wazd_e63, lol! |
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| 13:49.00 | Wolfie | SpeedEvil: it's like it's skewed a bit on all axes |
| 13:49.25 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: I am too tired for trig. |
| 13:49.37 | Jaffa | Good to see a new nokian |
| 13:49.38 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: but that's getting close to the fundamental inaccuracies in the device. |
| 13:49.42 | Wolfie | what I believe to be "standing on its bottom side", the horizon thinks my phone is tilted a bit downwards |
| 13:49.46 | wazd_e63 | konttori_nokia: I'll download it just to join you in this rebellion! |
| 13:50.05 | Wolfie | SpeedEvil: that's a bummer. You mean it can't even be calibrated for in the driver? |
| 13:50.34 | Wolfie | what I'd like is to have a similar calibration as for the touch screen. "lay the phone on a flat surface and press [here]" -type of thing |
| 13:50.38 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: It reads at a resolution of 8mG |
| 13:50.51 | SpeedEvil | or is it 16 |
| 13:50.57 | kirma | I wonder if liqacceltests tries to compensate for variable gravity at all |
| 13:51.02 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: theme-variant-example allows you to theme media player at least |
| 13:51.10 | Wolfie | SpeedEvil: but the innaccuracy seems to be constant. it's constantly skewed one way. So it should be compensateable |
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| 13:51.19 | Wolfie | s/constant/consistent/ |
| 13:51.21 | SpeedEvil | yeah - 18mG |
| 13:51.27 | hrw | heh... |
| 13:51.31 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: yep, I saw that) |
| 13:51.39 | villager | Wolfie: you sure your table is perfectly perpendicular to the Earth's gravitational pull, then? |
| 13:51.44 | SpeedEvil | yes - you'd need to have a calibration thingy to set zero |
| 13:51.52 | SpeedEvil | 4 degrees is a noticable tilt |
| 13:51.54 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: but haven't found anything bout clock for example |
| 13:52.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh dear, Angry Birds is dangerously good |
| 13:52.13 | kirma | I suspect it doesn't, since I can't get angles up to 90 degrees, but it stops around 80 degrees |
| 13:52.30 | Wolfie | villager: with a certain degree of certainty, sure |
| 13:52.36 | SpeedEvil | The typical zero degree offset is 40mG |
| 13:52.44 | Wolfie | i'd imagine I'd notice 4 degrees of tilt |
| 13:53.05 | wazd_e63 | Is there a version of angry birds for symbian 3rd? ^^ |
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| 13:53.49 | Wolfie | if nothing else, my chair would roll off into one direction |
| 13:53.57 | lcuk | Wolfie, is this when you lie it with screen up |
| 13:54.04 | lcuk | ie with the camera nobble in the way |
| 13:54.29 | kirma | sensor might be soldered at an angle on the circuit board |
| 13:54.53 | lcuk | too much n900fly knocked it out of whack |
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| 13:54.55 | Wolfie | lcuk: nope, when have the camera pointed away from me |
| 13:55.03 | Wolfie | never installed n900fly :) |
| 13:55.09 | lcuk | theres been a few people talking about this |
| 13:55.30 | lcuk | it is something that should be looked at and find a way to incorporate calibration into the driver before apps see it |
| 13:55.38 | lcuk | could you file a bug if there isnt one already |
| 13:55.41 | Wolfie | as a sanity check, i held the camera in my hands and tried to frame it straight in relation to the rest of the room. It was still 2-4 degrees off |
| 13:55.46 | SpeedEvil | yeah - the uncalibrated error will be on the order of 4 degrees max. |
| 13:56.06 | kirma | my angles seem relatively fine with liqacceltests - except the fact it doesn't seem to do full range of angles. |
| 13:56.35 | Wolfie | lcuk: i could try to remember. It's time to set off for home. |
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| 13:56.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: on FR we seen even more |
| 13:56.50 | lcuk | ok wolfie |
| 13:57.00 | Arkenoi | where is my updaaaate? |
| 13:57.12 | Nitial | I have it |
| 13:57.15 | redeeman | has anyone noticed changes in the email behavior since the update? |
| 13:57.15 | Nitial | in my n900 |
| 13:57.16 | SpeedEvil | kirma: the accel varies from 16.2 to 19.8mG/bit resolution worst-case. |
| 13:57.35 | Wolfie | ooh, can bugzilla attach files? i could include a photo with a bubble-level ;) |
| 13:58.00 | redeeman | the email client doesn't appear to display attached images anymore in the signature, and im certain it did just a few days ago, in fact i have a screenshot of it i used to show it to a friend, but now it does not do it |
| 13:58.00 | Wolfie | s/level/level comparison/ |
| 13:58.02 | SpeedEvil | So it may vary from an output count of 50-60 with 1G along the axis. |
| 13:58.13 | kirma | speedevil: separately per axis, or for all axes together? |
| 13:58.23 | Wolfie | home -> |
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| 13:58.36 | SpeedEvil | kirma: the sensitivity is not specified to track per axes. |
| 13:58.43 | SpeedEvil | kirma: so assume worst case. |
| 13:58.58 | lupine_85 | oh, wow. I'm /liking/ the integration with Jabber |
| 13:59.01 | SpeedEvil | kirma: so 50-60 max - for 1G - with up to 2and a bit bits of error. |
| 13:59.33 | ShadowJK | with N900 sitting still, how much do the values vary by? I remember it looked fairly consistently quantized :) |
| 13:59.37 | SpeedEvil | kirma: this is from the LIS302dl datasheet. |
| 13:59.56 | kirma | no matter what angle I put the device, I can't go much over 80 degrees on it. I suspect some sort of normalization might make sense (?) |
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| 14:01.17 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 14:01.32 | SpeedEvil | To do it sanely, you're at least going to need a user cal procedure. |
| 14:01.35 | ShadowJK | iirc I was able to find 1.00 on all axis |
| 14:01.41 | SpeedEvil | Place on front and back on level table. |
| 14:01.57 | lcuk | that has problems with camera |
| 14:02.07 | SpeedEvil | hmm - true |
| 14:02.26 | lcuk | hang on tho |
| 14:02.29 | lcuk | no it doesnt |
| 14:02.33 | lcuk | thats meant to be accounted for |
| 14:02.34 | SpeedEvil | rotate phone slowly looking for maximums in each axes |
| 14:02.48 | lcuk | liqacceltests has some doody things for this sorta stuff |
| 14:03.04 | SpeedEvil | The accellerometer datasheet says that it should be mostly stable per sensor |
| 14:03.29 | lcuk | at STP |
| 14:03.33 | lcuk | but you cannot fix the world |
| 14:03.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: lis302 also has a builtin test/calib feature iirc |
| 14:04.22 | red | how do I run the update commands in apt-get? |
| 14:04.22 | SpeedEvil | I hate datasheets with no noise or linearity info |
| 14:04.29 | red | I know how to refresh the listings |
| 14:04.43 | kirma | assuming the device is not under acceleration other than the gravity, normalizing that to one unit should be ok... and after all, the device *should* have factory-calibrated corrections in place |
| 14:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | You know, I think the most irritating part of Nokia's process is that people start out entrenched whenever a bug that could be construed as even marginally subjective is filed. |
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| 14:05.25 | SpeedEvil | self test is pretty useless. Self test merely indicates teh device functions. |
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| 14:05.39 | SpeedEvil | (it generates an output - the magnitude of the otuput isn't specified) |
| 14:05.46 | SpeedEvil | kirma: indeed. |
| 14:06.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: sorry could you rephrase. my poor English... :-/ |
| 14:06.20 | kirma | calibration is supposed to fix zero level and sensitivity... and by any sensibility, it should compensate for axes separately if that's necessary. |
| 14:06.39 | SpeedEvil | kirma: but does it. |
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| 14:07.04 | SpeedEvil | I suppose reading the driver is a way to see if it's implemented in that. |
| 14:07.40 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: still have stage SVN somewhere? |
| 14:07.41 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | joppu, ping |
| 14:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, whenever a bug is filed we get to file it so late in their process that they've already had all of the discussions and reached a position. |
| 14:07.54 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, so there's no chance to have a reasoned discussion. |
| 14:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, they're already completely entrenched and immovable. |
| 14:08.11 | wazd_e63 | Ok, I've found the developer for my epic app ) |
| 14:08.19 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes. |
| 14:08.19 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Nice comment on #7315 :) |
| 14:08.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 14:08.40 | wazd_e63 | themming world will be saved soon |
| 14:08.45 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | anyone know the current license the two default themes for Fremantle and released under? |
| 14:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I'm so tired of the situation I've outlined above that I don't have the energy to hold back the snark. ;) |
| 14:09.20 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 14:09.22 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Switched it on. Get it while it is still up :) |
| 14:09.38 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, belated congratulations, by the way. :) |
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| 14:09.43 | ShadowJK | oh wow, now this looks stupid after I semiblindly reposted bugzilla comments after the erase :) |
| 14:09.47 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, very well deserved. |
| 14:10.10 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Thanks, although I have no time atm to do that part of the job ;) |
| 14:10.15 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: hm, ok, not there |
| 14:10.17 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 14:10.36 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Still things missing? |
| 14:10.46 | kirma | well, I don't speak of driver-level calibration. normal gravity differs on different locations, and one has to live with that. but one thing one might assume is that zero level is correct and that axes have same sensitivity, and this should be already provided by factory-level calibration settings... which are initiated by BOOT on CTRL_REG2 |
| 14:11.04 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: just a commit message that pointed to a svn thing that doesn't exist anymore |
| 14:11.10 | Stskeeps | nm :) thanks for opening temporarily |
| 14:11.22 | SpeedEvil | kirma: yes - I don't see any calibration comments or functions in the driver. |
| 14:11.30 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Killing it again ;) |
| 14:11.31 | SpeedEvil | kirma: of course they could be above the driver |
| 14:11.37 | wazd_e63 | andrewfblack: joppu: kontorri: look like I've found the place in the theme template for ovi widget |
| 14:11.51 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | wazd_e63, where at? |
| 14:12.23 | ShadowJK | andre__, if you can delete stuff, feel free to delete last comment to 7618... I just blindly resubmitted after getting an email asking that, and other people had in the meanwhile figured out the bug.. |
| 14:12.31 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: joppu: and in case you haven't heard - I'm working on theme hue changer app ) |
| 14:12.32 | SpeedEvil | kirma: ah - missed that |
| 14:12.38 | wazd_e63 | Andrew |
| 14:12.51 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: on the right from rss skin |
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| 14:13.27 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: there are some squares that looks just like ovi |
| 14:13.54 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | wazd_e63, Cool I just hope that application doesn´t cause a million of the same theme with a slightly changed color |
| 14:14.07 | andre__ | ShadowJK, hehe. no, I don't delete stuff :) |
| 14:14.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | kirma: ack |
| 14:14.37 | lcuk | wazd you should make a theme template with full rainbow color sweep (hippy tshirt) then you can identify any area within the entire os based on the color you see |
| 14:15.10 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: well, in fact it will kill all of them |
| 14:15.28 | SpeedEvil | kirma: odd. I can find no listing in the datasheet for what teh calibration does. |
| 14:15.31 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: since user will chose hue of his own |
| 14:15.36 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | wazd_e63, ahh ou mean an application on the phone that changes hue? |
| 14:15.45 | SpeedEvil | kirma: and if it makes it better than the stated figures - surely that'd be listed. |
| 14:15.47 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: yep |
| 14:16.00 | lcuk | wazd_e63, you were going to modify an in use theme? in place without a new variaiton being stored? |
| 14:16.11 | red | how does the backup app work |
| 14:16.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | kirma: first you calculate arctan(x,y) and x,z y,z |
| 14:16.19 | red | it says "memory card exported via usb connection." |
| 14:16.22 | red | and cant push anything |
| 14:16.24 | kirma | SpeedEvil: indeed, it's hard to say if the numbers are raw or calibrated ones |
| 14:16.28 | red | and i did not tell it to do a back up yet or anything |
| 14:16.39 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: it will save old hue state and revert it if needed |
| 14:16.49 | lcuk | are themes optified? |
| 14:16.58 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: no need to back up files |
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| 14:17.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | kirma: then you rotate the vector for calibration of smt mechanical errors of lis302 chip |
| 14:17.03 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | wazd_e63, does it permantly can the hue to the theme image files? So no way of going back? |
| 14:17.04 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: yes |
| 14:17.21 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: well |
| 14:17.26 | kirma | SpeedEvil: http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726.pdf ... page 27/42 has a small tidbit, but not much about it |
| 14:17.35 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I don't think so. |
| 14:17.40 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: as I said - it will save old hue state |
| 14:17.41 | red | Maemo 5 update says not enough space in target location. |
| 14:17.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: first you need to find per-axes offset and gain errors, then fix those. |
| 14:17.51 | red | any suggestions? |
| 14:18.07 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Then work out the axes skew seperately. |
| 14:18.08 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | I think we really need to push to get theme maker finished and fixed |
| 14:18.12 | ShadowJK | unplug usb cable before running the backup application |
| 14:18.30 | red | ShadowJK: okay |
| 14:18.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: there shouldn't be such errors afaik |
| 14:19.00 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: what errors? |
| 14:19.07 | lcuk | Andrewfblack, wazd_e63 adding a "change hue" option to thememaker sounds like a more realistic initial step |
| 14:19.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | lis302 zero should be zero actually |
| 14:19.17 | lcuk | but i can see wazds point, cos windows has hue variations |
| 14:19.28 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: we were pushing like rabbits here yesterday)) |
| 14:19.29 | kirma | I believe SMT mechanical errors are not included in the calibration, only the way the sensor fabrication and in-package layout have caused |
| 14:19.34 | lcuk | even the buttons in liqbase are dynamically hued |
| 14:19.39 | lcuk | /tinted |
| 14:19.47 | kirma | s/way/those/ |
| 14:19.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: and the gain of each axis should be considerably identical |
| 14:20.00 | SpeedEvil | kirma: I see nothing in the datasheet saying that these are calibrated errors that it's listing. |
| 14:20.06 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: you have any image editor to change hue on your pc |
| 14:20.14 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: that makes no sense |
| 14:20.24 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the datasheet seems to disagree. Page 10. offset error - 40mG |
| 14:20.38 | wazd_e63 | Lcuk: the idea is to change it right on the device |
| 14:20.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: anyway it wouldn't hurt to calibrate thos errors prior to doing first math translation |
| 14:20.49 | SpeedEvil | 'typical 0G level offset' |
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| 14:21.25 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. that's even a typical unguaranteed spec. |
| 14:22.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: k. My point was you must NOT mix this offset and gain calib with the adjustment for mounting angle of chip |
| 14:22.23 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 14:22.41 | SpeedEvil | I thought you were saying do the angle calibration first. |
| 14:22.45 | SpeedEvil | When that must come last. |
| 14:22.57 | kirma | the whole purpose of the acceleration sensor is to figure out the orientation of the device pretty roughly, albeit preferably at better precision than just to detect what edge is most down |
| 14:23.04 | wazd_e63 | And I still want to code the autodithering script for PS |
| 14:23.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: so first do a calib of gain and offset by *slowly* rotating the device |
| 14:23.13 | ccooke | ... Has anyone ever got flipclock working on the n900? |
| 14:23.31 | SpeedEvil | kirma: yeah - that was what I was suggesting way above. |
| 14:23.38 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | wazd_e63, I know Kontorri technically does it as a side project and not as his job but I don't see why Nokia couldn´t have some one contracted to work on it full time for a little while if Kontorri is to busy to work on it |
| 14:23.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | then on a second step adjust the skew of SMT between chip and case |
| 14:23.42 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: |
| 14:24.07 | kirma | but I must say I find it amusing that a piece of software can't go up to 85+ degrees of angle at all ;) |
| 14:24.14 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:24.30 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: nokians have their own tools |
| 14:24.31 | Arkenoi | Is there a bug in bmo for Qt text entry already? Cannot find it |
| 14:24.41 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: why should they care) |
| 14:25.00 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: can't imagemagick do something like this? |
| 14:25.18 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | wazd_e63, it would incease number of themes for the device and since everyone ones likes themes it would increase people who buy the phone some |
| 14:25.22 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: dunno how to use it |
| 14:25.25 | red | anyone else had troubles updating gpodder 2.1-1 (luminous fish something). it constantly appears in my updates but says conflicting packages |
| 14:25.30 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: it's a set of image manipulation tools |
| 14:25.47 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: but I know how to script photoshop) |
| 14:25.52 | Arkenoi | red: same for me |
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| 14:26.57 | Jef91 | Morning all - anyone else here use the easy-deb-chroot package? |
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| 14:27.35 | SpeedEvil | kirma: hmm - see note 4 on offset on typOff. 'after MSL3 preconditioning' - which could be a reference to the factory cal |
| 14:27.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | kirma: what's name of suggested app to test those issues? |
| 14:28.06 | kirma | SpeedEvil: maybe so. |
| 14:29.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: what source you're talking bout? |
| 14:29.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | datasheet? |
| 14:29.25 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the lis302dl datasheet |
| 14:29.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | k |
| 14:29.56 | SpeedEvil | oct 2008 revision |
| 14:30.36 | kirma | DocScrutinizer51: no hardcore test tool I guess, but liqacceltests does something, and has even support to enable/disable filtering (probably not a hardware/driver feature but software everybody seems to use) |
| 14:31.41 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: did you see test/ directory wallpaper? |
| 14:31.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | kirma: probably. I only remeber a select option in lis302 hw for 100/400Hz sampling freq |
| 14:31.44 | Stskeeps | it's like dexter. |
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| 14:32.04 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: nope |
| 14:32.07 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: |
| 14:32.14 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: it's the blue water wallpaper but with red instead |
| 14:32.18 | Stskeeps | looks really bloody :> |
| 14:32.26 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: I was too excited with coordinates.png :D |
| 14:32.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | kirma: apt-get install liqacceltests? |
| 14:32.57 | wazd_e63 | Andrewfblack: have you seen my attempt on Mer boot video btw? |
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| 14:33.15 | kirma | DocScrutinizer51: I installed it from extras-testing... I believe |
| 14:33.24 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | wazd_e63, nope havn seen it |
| 14:33.26 | hrw | GuySoft: is forum nokia accounts not same as ovi store ones? |
| 14:33.33 | wazd_e63 | Oh, I haven't posted it here |
| 14:33.51 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: can you share the link please? |
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| 14:34.36 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.55 | tybollt | hmm |
| 14:35.07 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: thx |
| 14:35.09 | tybollt | anyone else that is unable to access www.ovi.mobi? |
| 14:35.18 | tybollt | ehr via the link from inside ovi store? |
| 14:35.27 | wazd_e63 | Damn, typing with swipes is like sex )) |
| 14:35.43 | kirma | "typing with swipes" ? |
| 14:35.47 | tybollt | https://www.ovi.mobi |
| 14:36.04 | X-Fade | tybollt: try store.ovi.mobi ;) |
| 14:36.15 | tybollt | X-Fade: meh :P |
| 14:36.23 | wazd_e63 | Well, pressing neighbour keys with a single press |
| 14:36.24 | tybollt | I want to get at other parts of the ovi shitz |
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| 14:36.49 | wazd_e63 | like drew for example |
| 14:37.24 | tybollt | and by doing so - you get an orgasm eventually? |
| 14:37.36 | tybollt | must be hard to type very much on that keyboard :S |
| 14:38.01 | wazd_e63 | Tybollt: |
| 14:38.10 | wazd_e63 | tybollt: you bet) |
| 14:38.16 | Stskeeps | joppu, AndrewFBlack-Wor, wazd_e63: if i made a source package template for n900 themes, would you use it? :P |
| 14:38.34 | hrw | ~hail apt-get |
| 14:38.35 | infobot | ACTION bows down to apt-get and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:38.38 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | Stskeeps, what you mean? |
| 14:38.50 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: me? Sure :) |
| 14:38.53 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack-Wor: like real themes are made, without thememaker :P |
| 14:38.59 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | Stskeeps, yeah |
| 14:39.10 | hrw | much easier to check ovi store ;D |
| 14:39.17 | tybollt | hrw: woot? |
| 14:39.33 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | Stskeeps, been wanting to do it that way but never been sure how to do it |
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| 14:42.28 | GuySoft | hrw, i dono, why did you ask me? :-/ |
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| 14:43.52 | jon1012 | when I try to install angry bird I get an "unable to install" error |
| 14:43.55 | jon1012 | anyone got the same ? |
| 14:44.08 | hrw | GuySoft: sorry - irssi expanded 'guys:' |
| 14:44.26 | andre__ | jon1012: what is that? and from where? and how? |
| 14:44.31 | jon1012 | in app manager |
| 14:44.40 | jon1012 | and since red pill mode was deactivated I can't get the log |
| 14:44.41 | hrw | tybollt: less /var/lib/apt/lists/downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ovi_._Packages and use apt-get to install them without going to ovi store |
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| 14:44.49 | jon1012 | (clicking in the ovi store) |
| 14:44.53 | jon1012 | (bring the app manager) |
| 14:44.58 | jon1012 | (to install "angry bird") |
| 14:45.10 | jon1012 | 'all the other apps install, but angry birds not) |
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| 14:45.32 | odin_ | jebba, ping ? |
| 14:45.32 | jon1012 | (it tells me "unable to install application" in a big yellow popup) |
| 14:45.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | kirma: SpeedEvil: liqacceltest seems kinda wrong. how can arctan(0, x) change for changing x? |
| 14:46.06 | Jef91 | jon1012 does it even download the app? |
| 14:46.12 | jon1012 | yeah |
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| 14:46.20 | jon1012 | but it's at the install step that it borks |
| 14:46.29 | jon1012 | (why did they remove red pill mode ? :() |
| 14:46.41 | jon1012 | (will they remove terminal as well in next revisions or what ?) |
| 14:47.10 | Stskeeps | red pill is bad bad bad karma |
| 14:47.13 | Jef91 | jon1012 I've never even used red pill mode - just drop down to terminal and use dpkg |
| 14:47.35 | felipec | anyone has used maemo-sdk+ on a non-debian system? |
| 14:47.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | red pil is dead in 1.0.1 I heard |
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| 14:47.49 | VRe | I really wonder if this ovi is kept as browser based, that how they are going to even compete with the Application Manager in nice to use category.. |
| 14:48.24 | ShadowJK | this browser based thing is interesting, on symbian it's about as slow as native ;-D |
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| 14:48.43 | Jef91 | VRe agreed. having to load a webpage is stupid |
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| 14:50.35 | SpeedEvil | crappy test tool: http://www.mauve.plus.com/axes |
| 14:51.31 | SpeedEvil | 16300 -1098:1152 -1062:1044 -1098:1188 |
| 14:51.39 | SpeedEvil | seems to be about the limits of mine |
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| 14:52.06 | SpeedEvil | which shows a bit of offset - but not bad. (iteration, x/y/z max/mins |
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| 14:54.23 | wazd_e63 | Y |
| 14:54.38 | wazd_e63 | Damn, so cold) |
| 14:54.53 | SpeedEvil | Warming up here. 6C (inside) |
| 14:54.59 | SpeedEvil | a balmy 2 out. |
| 14:55.01 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | anyoe know where new app manaer icons are kept? |
| 14:55.36 | AndrewFBlack-Wor | they in icon folder or theme folder like media player icons |
| 14:55.41 | wazd_e63 | I have something like -20 here) |
| 14:55.53 | JamieBennett | Anyone know how I would get a list of all packages installed on the N900 by default, I want to see what extra's I've installed from vanilla? |
| 14:56.36 | Tonzas | anyone know is there some combination for tab key at n900 :p |
| 14:57.16 | jon1012 | Tonzas: ctrl + i |
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| 14:59.27 | Tonzas | jon1012: ah i see, ty |
| 14:59.35 | saltsa_ | JamieBennett, I think some dpkg* command will tell you the install date of the package |
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| 15:00.17 | JamieBennett | saltsa_: Ah good point. I can see a list of all packages and I was scrabbling around trying to find a web page list of packages to compare against |
| 15:01.18 | saltsa_ | JamieBennett, rpm would provide that by default but dunno how it can be shown with dpkg |
| 15:01.19 | Arkenoi | a strange thing: i often see a brief led blink on my n900 with peripherial sight while no notifications are active. if i stare directly into the led, i never see it, i only notice it when my eye is moving. |
| 15:01.22 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, that's not much difference between inside and outside :-) |
| 15:01.26 | tybollt | so anyone's got an idea what the qt updates pushed today were? |
| 15:01.41 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: no. Cashflow is a problem ATM. |
| 15:01.47 | ShadowJK | Arkenoi, try see if it's upper left or lower left... |
| 15:01.49 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: hence lots of jumpers. |
| 15:02.11 | ShadowJK | ah, I have a virtually unlimited supply of trees, and an axe |
| 15:02.26 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: two heats. |
| 15:02.48 | ShadowJK | Yep. Using firewood makes your warm twice :-) |
| 15:03.11 | SpeedEvil | No convenient trees here alas. |
| 15:03.21 | SpeedEvil | but electric blanket + jumpers works. |
| 15:03.34 | saltsa_ | JamieBennett, ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list -lh |
| 15:03.56 | ShadowJK | My thermometer said "out of range" whent it was as coldest :-( |
| 15:04.04 | saltsa_ | the time should be same than the time it was installed |
| 15:04.13 | JamieBennett | goes to check |
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| 15:09.40 | hrw | I wonder did someone verified ovi packages... |
| 15:10.30 | hrw | http://pastebin.ca/1748326 |
| 15:10.54 | tybollt | The connection has timed out |
| 15:10.54 | tybollt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.56 | tybollt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.59 | tybollt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.04 | tybollt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.06 | tybollt | meh, sorry about that |
| 15:11.09 | tybollt | wrong window :S |
| 15:11.29 | JamieBennett | saltsa_: Thanks, worked a treat |
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| 15:11.43 | ShadowJK | (becausue there's a right window to type 8 empty lines) |
| 15:11.45 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 15:12.00 | jon1012 | I have strange errors |
| 15:12.06 | jon1012 | all aps download well beside angrybirds |
| 15:12.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders how to filter away all those *zhhk* pkgs in HAM |
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| 15:12.24 | tybollt | ShadowJK: surely even your copy of vi can remove empty lines? ;P |
| 15:12.26 | jon1012 | when I try in termiunal (since app manager doesn't work for this app), I get this : |
| 15:12.34 | jon1012 | After this operation, 20,0MB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ angrybirds 1.1.0 [11,3MB] E: Method https has died unexpectedly! |
| 15:12.49 | RST38h | hrw: Why would you verify what your business partner does? |
| 15:13.09 | RST38h | hrw: He is not some unknown person working for free, you pay him to do it right =) |
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| 15:13.16 | hrw | RST38h: right |
| 15:13.27 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
| 15:14.47 | VRe | jon1012: I think there is/was some f*ckup with the level pack which is supposed to be for money but can be downed with apt-get - maybe thats why its gone |
| 15:15.32 | hrw | levelpack1? |
| 15:15.41 | VRe | hrw: yeap |
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| 15:15.49 | jon1012 | wow yeah indeed |
| 15:15.55 | jon1012 | I have it in the list of apt lol |
| 15:18.06 | VRe | jon1012: it sooo much faster to get the stuff with apt that clicketiclick from the web ,) |
| 15:18.10 | hrw | VRe: apt-get install angrybirds-levelpack1 |
| 15:18.14 | jon1012 | true |
| 15:18.16 | jon1012 | doing it right now |
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| 15:18.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | OMG they didn't even manage to fix the '*100#' wrong number issue |
| 15:18.59 | VRe | hrw: that, if you want to be evil person abusing the broken system |
| 15:20.02 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer51, in general it seems that only stuff needed for pushing the next update was fixed |
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| 15:20.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | like eyecany flood on HAM? |
| 15:20.35 | hrw | VRe: I use apt-get for 99% of installs on maemo devices |
| 15:20.55 | VRe | I wonder how they are supposed to recognize the customers from others if you can apt-get the stuff? Or does apt-get have some special addons for maemo? |
| 15:20.56 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer-8, oh and ovi store :) |
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| 15:21.31 | ShadowJK | VRe, atleast for nokia's own repos there's thingy that identifies device as a nokia device |
| 15:21.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | shrugs and reboots to put modemcontrol buttons to effect |
| 15:22.19 | VRe | ShadowJK: well, for scrachbox is that nokia-binaries thing with UUID or something, but store repo does not have anything like that |
| 15:22.35 | ShadowJK | just by looking at the version, 44, 2 weeks after the old firmware (version 42) :) |
| 15:22.44 | Arkenoi | remembers someone posted a link for n900 spare parts pricing and availability, cannot find it now, did anyone bookmark it? |
| 15:23.09 | hrw | ovi store packages do not even have license inside |
| 15:23.12 | ShadowJK | Here's on shop in finland: http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 |
| 15:23.43 | ShadowJK | one* |
| 15:23.46 | VRe | Arkenoi: scratched screen? :) |
| 15:23.51 | Arkenoi | ah, thanks, i think it was that one |
| 15:24.21 | Arkenoi | nope, just a friend wants to buy n900 but he prefers to pay $460 in US rather than $900 in Russia |
| 15:24.31 | Arkenoi | and he needs cyrillic keyboard |
| 15:24.48 | VRe | ah nice |
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| 15:26.12 | ShadowJK | they dont have cyrillic :/ |
| 15:26.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | k, cellular modem control buttons 0.3-0 works nicely |
| 15:28.47 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Switch to cyrillic layout is done by changing a single gconf value |
| 15:29.02 | hrw | ok, looks like all from offscreen technologies goes to trash |
| 15:29.10 | RST38h | Arkenoi; Of course there won't be any inscriptions on the buttons but what the hell |
| 15:29.25 | RST38h | hrw: ALL? Why? |
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| 15:29.34 | RST38h | found offscr games quite playable |
| 15:29.45 | hrw | RST38h: I checked apps |
| 15:30.21 | hrw | long load time |
| 15:30.29 | hrw | nonstandard interface |
| 15:30.34 | Arkenoi | RST38h, yep, i know, he just need a keymat |
| 15:30.43 | RST38h | hrw: And that is bad? |
| 15:31.06 | hrw | for me it is |
| 15:31.19 | hrw | and man.. offscr-converter is joke, not app |
| 15:31.44 | RST38h | does not get why people do not like non standard UIs |
| 15:32.17 | RST38h | But yea, I do find it funny how you can screw the Style Guide, QA, and other considerations as long as you are Nokia's business partner |
| 15:32.44 | lcuk | RST38h, why cant you have different? |
| 15:33.05 | lcuk | qa testing doesnt block ui does it? (as long as its functional) |
| 15:33.25 | lcuk | its deffo better to have consitency |
| 15:33.32 | RST38h | lcuk: You can but hrw will curse you :) |
| 15:33.42 | RST38h | lcuk: there are other problems with those apps |
| 15:34.08 | lcuk | thats a different issue |
| 15:34.41 | lcuk | and technically, they dont need to follow community guidelines because they arent community apps |
| 15:34.50 | lcuk | i wish however the source for the simpler ones was available |
| 15:35.00 | lcuk | so that we could help them and fix them and make variations |
| 15:35.26 | hrw | lcuk: so I can release app which breaks all guidelines due to fact that I am company? |
| 15:36.17 | RST38h | lcuk: there is nothing there you cannot figure out by yourself |
| 15:36.45 | RST38h | hrw: The guidelines are pretty arbitrary to begin with |
| 15:36.53 | andrewgodwin | I found a few of the games to have awful framerates, too |
| 15:37.02 | andrewgodwin | Angry Birds appears to be the only well-written one :) |
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| 15:37.44 | ccooke | hmm |
| 15:38.03 | RST38h | What are all these soft porn videos offered on Ovi??? |
| 15:38.18 | ccooke | RST38h: I was wondering that :-/. |
| 15:38.24 | frals | moneymakers? |
| 15:38.26 | Lynoure | hmm, soft porn, probably? |
| 15:38.55 | Lynoure | Nokia is a Finnish company, we are still quite liberal about sex... |
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| 15:39.36 | Robot101 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_pornography_industry_revenue_per_capita |
| 15:39.50 | lcuk | hrw did you file bugs about the issues |
| 15:40.06 | lcuk | Robot101, how did you get your hands on that list so quick lol |
| 15:40.21 | Robot101 | lcuk: someone linked me to it the other day, it seemed relevant :) |
| 15:40.30 | lcuk | haha |
| 15:40.57 | lcuk | surprised by finland, or maybe not since its so cold you gotta do something to stay warm |
| 15:41.05 | crashanddie | Robot101: and thus, you can see that even though Russia produces a lot, they don't sell it well |
| 15:41.18 | crashanddie | lcuk: packing up my gear :) |
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| 15:41.21 | dottedmag | "This list is incomplete; you can help by [increasing revenue] for the country you live in." |
| 15:41.25 | crashanddie | waiting for the movers to come round |
| 15:42.00 | crashanddie | I love it when wikipedia uses the word "expanding it" in articles for pornography or male related parts |
| 15:42.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: I,d be willing to pay a few bucks for the original qwerty keypad |
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| 15:42.38 | matthew- | HMMM |
| 15:43.04 | matthew- | my devices name changed from Nokia n900 to some BCM2048B0 Initialization Configuration |
| 15:43.07 | matthew- | after update |
| 15:43.08 | hrw | offscr-pocket-calculator roXX! |
| 15:43.11 | Jef91 | does anyone else have issues reading the debian repos via the easy debian package manager? |
| 15:43.22 | hrw | total crap compared to normal maemo one |
| 15:43.42 | RST38h | hrw <-- just cannot be pleased |
| 15:44.05 | RST38h | takes out hammer, nails, cross, and a Blackberry |
| 15:44.12 | redeeman | hrw: where did you get the offscr one? |
| 15:44.18 | lcuk | hrw just has high standards :) |
| 15:44.24 | lcuk | redeeman, ovi store |
| 15:44.25 | crashanddie | lcuk: watch out nao when you post to specific subfora :P I'm a mod |
| 15:44.35 | redeeman | ah back when it was accidentally open? |
| 15:44.47 | wazd_e63 | drinks whiskey-cola... |
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| 15:44.49 | lcuk | crashanddie, how long will it take your stuff to get there |
| 15:45.00 | crashanddie | lcuk: about 8 weeks |
| 15:45.04 | lcuk | i barely post in the forums anyway |
| 15:45.09 | crashanddie | 8 weeks min, 11 weeks max |
| 15:45.37 | RST38h | Oh shit |
| 15:45.49 | RST38h | X-Fade: Are you around? |
| 15:45.49 | crashanddie | so for the next 2 months I'm going to have to live without most of my gear |
| 15:45.59 | frals | 8 weeks O_o where to/from? |
| 15:46.00 | crashanddie | RST38h: he's rather thin and tall |
| 15:46.06 | crashanddie | frals: uk to australia |
| 15:46.25 | Arkenoi | still have not recieved leather case i ordered two weeks ago from HK |
| 15:46.27 | frals | cool |
| 15:46.41 | RST38h | crashanddie: It's ok, I am not going after him for his calorie content |
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| 15:46.52 | crashanddie | RST38h: you asked, I answered |
| 15:46.56 | RST38h | Arkenoi: They are still catching that dog. |
| 15:47.00 | FIQ | oh |
| 15:47.05 | FIQ | RST38h: ping |
| 15:47.12 | crashanddie | he just said something |
| 15:47.23 | hrw | ok, level, electric beams, elements, solitaire stay |
| 15:47.29 | crashanddie | that's like knocking on someone's door while he's talking to the neighboor |
| 15:47.34 | RST38h | Ahha! The Maemo-Guru guy makes himself useful for one last time! |
| 15:47.34 | FIQ | i'm tired today i guess |
| 15:47.36 | crashanddie | neighbour** |
| 15:47.37 | RST38h | FIQ: Yes? |
| 15:47.43 | crashanddie | RST38h: link? |
| 15:48.03 | FIQ | RST38h, xchat is in what repo? : > |
| 15:48.36 | nomis | heh, angrybirds is cool. |
| 15:48.51 | hrw | nomis: yes |
| 15:50.04 | RST38h | crashanddie: The Planet |
| 15:50.24 | RST38h | FIQ: Extras-Testing |
| 15:50.35 | FIQ | ok, ty |
| 15:50.44 | JamieBennett | Is there no file online listing packages installed by default in Fremantle? |
| 15:50.44 | JamieBennett | /me's googlefu isn't working today |
| 15:53.45 | villager | I did a dpkg -l once not long after I got my n900, it may not be completely clean but anyway, it's at http://www.ping.uio.no/~ovehk/n900-dpkg.txt |
| 15:54.21 | xorAxAx | bug 7315 |
| 15:54.28 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7315 X Terminal application icon looks ugly compared with previous versions |
| 15:54.36 | JamieBennett | villager thats exactly what I need for a fresh install |
| 15:55.01 | JamieBennett | ponders reflashing to get the list |
| 15:55.54 | X-Fade | JamieBennett: list packages in the package interface for rootfs ;) |
| 15:56.01 | RST38h | Ah here he is |
| 15:56.15 | X-Fade | JamieBennett: rsync -avP root@oldstage:/var/www/nitro.log /var/www/ |
| 15:56.21 | X-Fade | Ehm... |
| 15:56.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: Why the hell did ZLibrary get its own Maemo5 product page? |
| 15:56.42 | X-Fade | RST38h: Because somebody named it user/* ? |
| 15:56.54 | RST38h | X-Fade: No. |
| 15:57.01 | RST38h | X-Fade: It is in libs/ |
| 15:57.29 | Sargun_Screen | what does the latest maemo update include fixes for? |
| 15:57.32 | hrw | wants good made maemo5 themes... |
| 15:57.34 | X-Fade | RST38h: Was it in testing on a separate page? |
| 15:57.39 | hrw | checking ovi store ones now |
| 15:57.42 | hrw | disaster... |
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| 15:57.44 | RST38h | X-Fade: I do not think so |
| 15:58.22 | X-Fade | JamieBennett: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_root_pr_armel/ |
| 15:58.27 | RST38h | hrw: You do understand that 99% "normal" people will not notice anything disastrous about Ovi's current selection? |
| 15:58.39 | RST38h | hrw: Including the desperate housewives crap. |
| 15:58.52 | hrw | RST38h: yes, I do |
| 15:59.06 | hrw | Clowns theme is nice pink |
| 15:59.08 | JamieBennett | X-Fade: great, need to get it in a .txt file now |
| 15:59.23 | X-Fade | JamieBennett: /var/lib/dpkg/status might be better ;) |
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| 15:59.49 | frals | what signal should i connect to to get the "long press" action in gtk? |
| 16:00.02 | pierlux | who do I contact to get a packaged removed from maemo-extras-devel ^ |
| 16:00.03 | pierlux | ? |
| 16:00.11 | nomis | hrw: do you know if there are screenshots from the various themes? I hate to install them blindfolded... |
| 16:00.18 | X-Fade | pierlux: me? |
| 16:00.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh? pkg *removed*?? |
| 16:00.53 | pierlux | X-Fade, can you remove mapbuddy-dbg ? I removed the -dbg package from further builds |
| 16:00.59 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: sometimes authors don't want it anymore |
| 16:01.05 | hrw | nomis: no idea - I just checking them one by one |
| 16:01.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok if it's my own pkg |
| 16:01.18 | Robot101 | debian does that automatically for stuff that's no longer built from source |
| 16:01.43 | nomis | hrw: make screenshots! :) |
| 16:02.07 | nomis | what was the shortcut? CTRL-Shift-P? |
| 16:02.56 | hrw | nomis: sorry - I just ended with digital nature |
| 16:03.24 | hrw | nomis: all Hildon-* ones are dark and even usable. rest are background + sick set of colours |
| 16:03.28 | X-Fade | pierlux: Ok, will do. |
| 16:03.39 | X-Fade | RST38h: No idea. Will look into that later. |
| 16:03.56 | nomis | hrw: ok, thanks. |
| 16:04.06 | pierlux | X-Fade, thanks :) if it makes it easier... anything earlier than 0.1-2 is broken anyway so you may delete it too hehe |
| 16:04.21 | RST38h | X-Fade: Ok, it's your call. |
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| 16:07.44 | hrw | can someone share 'dpkg -l' from 51.1? |
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| 16:09.39 | Jaffa | Anyone got a weird email about "telnet for maemo 5 nokia N900" |
| 16:10.09 | kamui | I love angry birds |
| 16:10.10 | kamui | awesome |
| 16:10.21 | SpeedEvil | telnet is awesomer! |
| 16:10.46 | zash | netcat > telnet |
| 16:10.59 | moo-_- | import socket |
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| 16:11.40 | zash | 'ascii' could not encode char! |
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| 16:14.52 | moo-_- | zash: py3k! |
| 16:17.11 | zash | moo-_-: in hardy? |
| 16:20.28 | kamui | Flandry, Im sorry about the W0W thread |
| 16:20.43 | kamui | there was no need for me to revive a dead post, I just couldn't help myself |
| 16:20.51 | kamui | Ill be good from now on, I promise |
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| 16:21.06 | LuciusMare | hi |
| 16:21.14 | Jaffa | Doh. I think I've got to reflash. |
| 16:21.32 | Jaffa | Don't remove your package when it provides the menus and you haven't implemented the tidy-up code yet |
| 16:21.56 | LuciusMare | i have a problem, i want to keep one app not updated,while about ten others should update - how can i unselect it from the update all list? |
| 16:21.57 | Shapeshifter | gah. this is pure agony. n900 now expected mid february in switzerland ._. |
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| 16:22.11 | Shapeshifter | I don't even want their stupid 2-arrow localized crap keyboard. |
| 16:22.14 | Shapeshifter | :'( |
| 16:22.49 | eean | started the maemo 5 update, it failed, and now apt-get -f install is: E: The package libgtk2.0-common needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 16:22.51 | LuciusMare | hah |
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| 16:24.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: you bet you don't. I'm right this moment about to order a qwerty from http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 |
| 16:25.26 | LuciusMare | hey |
| 16:26.13 | LuciusMare | i spent two weeks truing to find a shop that has n900 in stock, works in europe and doesnt have a localised kyn |
| 16:26.17 | LuciusMare | *kyn |
| 16:26.22 | LuciusMare | :o |
| 16:26.26 | LuciusMare | *kyb |
| 16:28.33 | maerzhase | LuciusMare: you can "Piii" |
| 16:28.42 | maerzhase | sorry |
| 16:29.31 | maerzhase | pin a app in the apt-get config |
| 16:31.31 | maerzhase | https://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 16:39.36 | jon1012 | I have a localized keyboard :( |
| 16:39.38 | jon1012 | it's very strange |
| 16:39.47 | jon1012 | (french azerty) |
| 16:39.47 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: uhm, my finnish is a bit rusty >.> |
| 16:39.57 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: I can't find it on that page. only accessoires. |
| 16:40.38 | Shapeshifter | LuciusMare: did you find one? |
| 16:41.10 | slonopotamus | anyone passed 3-5 in angry birds? :) |
| 16:41.46 | |R | still in 2-* |
| 16:41.48 | |R | hehe |
| 16:42.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: N900 QWERTY COVER ASSY 253145 |
| 16:42.19 | |R | slonopotamus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZN_gb7ic9k |
| 16:42.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: sounds about right to me |
| 16:42.58 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer51, assy? |
| 16:43.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | assembly |
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| 16:43.53 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: for 13 euros. |
| 16:43.54 | Shapeshifter | >.> |
| 16:44.01 | Shapeshifter | that's just bits of plastic. |
| 16:44.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsckng cheap, so I'm not all that sure about it |
| 16:44.22 | Shapeshifter | all that shop even seems to sell is accessoires and stuff |
| 16:44.26 | Shapeshifter | replacement parts |
| 16:44.41 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: dude that's not the phone ;) |
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| 16:45.51 | SpeedEvil | there is lots cheaper |
| 16:46.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah you're right - prolly you want sth like N900 QWERTY KEYMAT ENGLISH 265740 |
| 16:46.05 | SpeedEvil | you can gfet them for 5 dollars if you order lots of stuff |
| 16:46.12 | SpeedEvil | from tesso - |
| 16:46.19 | SpeedEvil | $170 minimum order tho |
| 16:46.30 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: I think he wants the phone |
| 16:46.31 | Shapeshifter | as do I |
| 16:46.35 | Shapeshifter | and not just some part. |
| 16:46.46 | SpeedEvil | (04:42:12 PM) DocScrutinizer51: Shapeshifter: N900 QWERTY COVER ASSY 253145 |
| 16:46.54 | SpeedEvil | oh - |
| 16:46.57 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: aahh you mean just the keyboard? |
| 16:46.57 | SpeedEvil | \i see |
| 16:47.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey 14 bucks for keys assembly is ok for me. 7 bucks for stylus is just robbery |
| 16:47.03 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: about 15 |
| 16:47.07 | Shapeshifter | allright. |
| 16:47.16 | Shapeshifter | not bad yeah |
| 16:47.23 | Shapeshifter | mhh |
| 16:47.25 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: tesso are very reasonable - $.5 for stylus |
| 16:47.48 | Shapeshifter | maybe I could buy a couple for like 170$ and sell them here in switzerland. |
| 16:47.54 | Shapeshifter | for like triple the price |
| 16:47.57 | Shapeshifter | ;) |
| 16:49.18 | Shapeshifter | $3.91 QWERTY KEYMAT ENGLISH at tesso |
| 16:49.23 | Shapeshifter | that seems like nothing |
| 16:49.57 | Shapeshifter | any clues what a "DOMESHEET ASSY" could be? |
| 16:50.07 | SpeedEvil | it's hte underlying keydomes |
| 16:50.14 | Shapeshifter | ah I see. thanks. |
| 16:50.16 | SpeedEvil | the actual springy bits |
| 16:50.27 | Shapeshifter | yep |
| 16:51.19 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking - look at the l1/l2 manual |
| 16:51.23 | SpeedEvil | for how-to |
| 16:53.06 | Shapeshifter | brilliant, thanks :) |
| 16:55.02 | Shapeshifter | tesso wants me to be an "organization"? |
| 16:55.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: (domesheet) usually a white plasticsheet wit a dome for each key |
| 16:56.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: if you order those keymats, I'd pay for two |
| 16:58.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | as long as they have four *white* arrows one per key ;-) |
| 16:59.06 | Shapeshifter | lol $175 minimum purchase. but "your price" for the keymats is 0.00. So I pay 0$ for 10 pieces and then the delivery and small-oder fees |
| 16:59.15 | Shapeshifter | anyway, lets see what happens if I buy more stuff |
| 16:59.42 | cehteh | hehe order a n900 DIY kit :) every spare part :P |
| 16:59.51 | Shapeshifter | let's throw in a couple of stylii |
| 17:00.18 | Shapeshifter | couple of battery covers, sure people will smash them ;) |
| 17:00.42 | cehteh | lol .. well these are extremely expensive compared that manufacturing those costs only a few cents |
| 17:01.14 | eean | what's up with those nokia-branded n900 covers on that site |
| 17:01.22 | eean | why didn't it come with the n900 if they exist at all? |
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| 17:03.27 | Shapeshifter | oh I see now why every piece costs 0$ for me. "You are not allowed to purchase sku 367137." |
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| 17:03.33 | Shapeshifter | for every article. |
| 17:04.48 | Shapeshifter | TESSCO sells Nokia parts only to Authorized Service Centers. To become a Nokia ASC, contact Lartesha Jorden at 321-726-4442. |
| 17:05.00 | Shapeshifter | well awesome |
| 17:05.01 | SpeedEvil | ah - missed that. oops |
| 17:05.15 | SpeedEvil | wonder what that involves |
| 17:05.25 | Stskeeps | probably vaseline |
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| 17:06.47 | ifreq | unforgettable night |
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| 17:07.06 | pupnik | why ifreq |
| 17:07.18 | ifreq | 19:05 < SpeedEvil> wonder what that involves |
| 17:07.27 | jebba | ping odin_ |
| 17:07.50 | pupnik | oh |
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| 17:08.28 | matthew- | ifreq: hey |
| 17:08.41 | ifreq | hey matthew- |
| 17:08.46 | Shapeshifter | they're also called tessco and not tesso ;) |
| 17:08.51 | Shapeshifter | I'm adding the extra info to the wiki. |
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| 17:09.44 | Jaffa | Anyone ever used flasher-3.5.exe on Windows? |
| 17:10.15 | ifreq | no sire |
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| 17:11.31 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: I keep wanting to call them tesco. |
| 17:11.40 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: as they deliver groceries to me |
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| 17:16.22 | tybollt | ok |
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| 17:16.33 | tybollt | michal jerz is interesting sometimes |
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| 17:17.00 | tybollt | installing packages manually by means of dpkg is "MUCH LESS SECURE" than doing it via menus/red pill mode |
| 17:17.19 | tybollt | uhm... I'd like to smoke whatever he's smoking, presto stuff that |
| 17:18.16 | SpeedEvil | All operations through menus are approved by a special team at nokia HQ that personally examine every request for authenticity! |
| 17:19.29 | tybollt | =D |
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| 17:29.12 | hardaker | err... what's the dpkg option for showing details about a package? |
| 17:29.24 | hardaker | like who packaged it. |
| 17:29.38 | hrw | "apt-cache show PACKAGENAME" is what I use |
| 17:29.38 | hardaker | hates rpm *and* dpkg |
| 17:29.59 | hrw | hardaker: lack of deps roxx? |
| 17:30.00 | hardaker | apt-cache would work; thanks. |
| 17:30.30 | hardaker | I wrote a script to list the largest consumers of / space. |
| 17:30.39 | hardaker | of course, the top three are all nokia. |
| 17:30.56 | hardaker | nokiamessaging 2418352 |
| 17:30.57 | hardaker | tracker 3329382 |
| 17:30.59 | hardaker | nokia-maps-core 5341630 |
| 17:31.38 | hardaker | ha. and number 4 is the tutorial |
| 17:32.57 | hardaker | now... what to call my script... |
| 17:33.00 | hardaker | gotslash? |
| 17:33.07 | hardaker | checkintoslash? |
| 17:33.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf?? tutorial? |
| 17:33.17 | hardaker | tutorial-home-applet 1155898 |
| 17:33.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | slash-nokia |
| 17:33.37 | ShadowJK | that's just 1.1meg? |
| 17:33.39 | hardaker | remember that little bar you got at the bottom of the screen when you first turned it on? |
| 17:33.49 | hardaker | I deleted the applet from the screen but not from the inventory. |
| 17:33.57 | hardaker | yeah. |
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| 17:34.10 | ShadowJK | hardaker, find all libraries that are only depended on by a single app, and add that to that app's score |
| 17:34.11 | Caesium | is it safe to uninstall it? |
| 17:34.14 | hardaker | DocScrutinizer51: I like that ;-) |
| 17:34.31 | hardaker | Caesium: not sure why it wouldn't be. |
| 17:34.40 | hardaker | ShadowJK: it'll calculate the totals from any particular package... |
| 17:35.02 | hardaker | I just added a '-i' switch to add up everything in /usr/share/dbus-1/services as the default list of packages to search for. |
| 17:35.15 | hardaker | I was (next) going to add a -l swtich to find everything output by dpkg -l |
| 17:35.33 | hardaker | so yes, I'm not including dependency libraries in the list I just generated. |
| 17:35.39 | Corsac | what about osso-tutorial? |
| 17:36.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: so did you try that finnish store? |
| 17:37.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: even if it's considerably more expensive, still I wouldn't care as long as they sell at all |
| 17:37.32 | hardaker | Corsac: I don't have that package name installed. |
| 17:37.39 | Corsac | grep on osso-tutorial |
| 17:37.44 | Corsac | there are a lot of locale packages |
| 17:38.05 | hardaker | I still think they should have moved /usr/share to /opt entirely.... |
| 17:38.18 | hardaker | they could have done any internal moves needed at flash time. |
| 17:39.07 | hardaker | perl findbig osso-tutorial-l10n-engb |
| 17:39.08 | hardaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | hardaker: ACK |
| 17:39.19 | hardaker | (but there are a bunch of those) |
| 17:39.34 | eean | I saved a chunk of space by moving /var/lib/dkpg |
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| 17:39.48 | hardaker | eean: I'm still not sure that's safe... |
| 17:39.50 | eean | moving all of /usr/share would kind of defeat the purpose of having a fast root |
| 17:40.08 | hardaker | eean: ok, how about at least /usr/share/doc |
| 17:40.14 | Stskeeps | doc is purged |
| 17:40.15 | alexj__ | hi all, i have upgraded to the new firmware but still ovi store doesnt work me, i am using hideuseragent |
| 17:40.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | hardaker: even whole /usr, pus /var |
| 17:40.19 | alexj__ | is that a problem ? |
| 17:40.22 | hardaker | the problem is that most of the /usr/share stuff doesn't need to be loaded by the app (quickly) |
| 17:40.34 | Corsac | are there really benchmarks about that? |
| 17:40.37 | jX | alexj__: Yes, but it's a problem with Nokia, not you. |
| 17:41.15 | hardaker | Stskeeps: whoops; didn't notice that. |
| 17:41.19 | alexj__ | jX: shud i do something for the ovi store to work, like changing my user agent to something default |
| 17:41.36 | jX | alexj__: All you can do is wait for Nokia to open it to everyone. |
| 17:41.54 | alexj__ | jX: aaah, so it is still not open to all |
| 17:41.59 | jX | right |
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| 17:42.10 | anidel | hi there |
| 17:42.16 | alexj__ | jX: thanks for the info |
| 17:42.22 | jX | np |
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| 17:45.26 | thorbjorn | LuciusMare: Hmm, in Netherlands the N900 sells with US keyboard as far as I am aware. |
| 17:45.27 | anunakin | Any can help on how to have "af-sb-init.sh" on maemo 5 sdk? |
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| 17:45.52 | airstrike | hi. i'm trying to follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_GUI_Installer but i'm stuck on the part where i'm supposed to start the ui framework |
| 17:45.54 | odin_ | is there a guide to building and packaging things for N900 ? does autoconf support installing into an arbitrary (empty) folder (which is considers to be rootfs / ) ? |
| 17:46.13 | airstrike | step 4 tells me to --- [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] >af-sb-init.sh start -- but i don't have that .sh file |
| 17:46.34 | anunakin | I build a .deb file here, but cant teste because I dont have a N900 |
| 17:47.12 | anunakin | me too! |
| 17:47.23 | anunakin | On diablo maemo 4 sdk I have it: |
| 17:47.28 | anunakin | DIABLO_ARMEL ~/dev/freedroid/freedroidrpg-0.13rc2 $ dpkg -S af-sb-init.sh |
| 17:47.29 | anunakin | osso-af-sb-startup: /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh |
| 17:47.42 | rkc | anuakin: you can try nokiaÅ remote device access |
| 17:48.20 | hrw | bye all |
| 17:48.22 | anunakin | rkc: how? |
| 17:48.36 | anunakin | airstrike: I going try "apt-get install osso-af-sb-startup" |
| 17:49.04 | airstrike | i think somehow the fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries didn't work |
| 17:49.06 | airstrike | so i'm trying again |
| 17:49.39 | rkc | anunakin: search in forum nokia website.. its like u can remotely test ur applications from your home.. |
| 17:49.53 | rkc | these phones are placed somewhere in finland.. u book it and use it |
| 17:50.02 | anunakin | airstrike: qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped |
| 17:50.03 | rkc | all u need is forum nokia registration |
| 17:50.24 | anunakin | rkc: thanks |
| 17:50.37 | rkc | welcome |
| 17:50.53 | anunakin | I have it |
| 17:51.22 | rkc | ? |
| 17:52.17 | anunakin | forum nokia registration |
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| 17:56.53 | anunakin | rkc: N900 Available in 2 hours 47 minutes, on RDA! shit! |
| 17:58.36 | rkc | yep.. |
| 17:59.09 | rkc | no other go.. u need to wait.. |
| 18:00.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahaha my 2.5 year old daughter is acing advanced Angry Birds levels with blind luck |
| 18:01.00 | Macer | blah. kde does something irritating |
| 18:01.21 | Macer | it is moving files on the same nfs by routing it through the local network connection when i use the dolphin crap |
| 18:02.56 | saltsa_ | is it possible to disable vibration from alarm clock? |
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| 18:04.46 | Macer | oh |
| 18:04.48 | Macer | maybe not.. oops |
| 18:05.33 | zash | why have no-one built unisonfs with copy-on-read to a local cache? eg caching "popular" files from a usb-hdd or nfs |
| 18:06.22 | thorbjorn | saltsa_: It seems to me that vibration is a global setting. |
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| 18:11.39 | wazd_e63 | Woo, I'm still alive |
| 18:14.15 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: I have not. I might try it when I get my phone. |
| 18:14.18 | Shapeshifter | ifever ._. |
| 18:14.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: fair enough |
| 18:14.44 | wackl | was the powermanagement modified with the 44-1 update? i get far longer battery runtime after the update...(same places & apps running) |
| 18:15.36 | wazd_e63 | Wackl: placebo patch) |
| 18:15.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | wackl: like? |
| 18:15.52 | Muhvi-- | i haven't had any problems with battery runtime |
| 18:16.05 | wackl | one day with 3G always enabled and 5 min email checking |
| 18:16.07 | wackl | max |
| 18:16.29 | wackl | now it's running the whole day and battery symbol shows 3/4 |
| 18:16.55 | SpeedEvil | I get _much_ less. |
| 18:17.09 | wackl | i've not many apps/widgets installed |
| 18:17.11 | SpeedEvil | But that's because the stupid thumbnailerd has decided to index my laptop backup |
| 18:17.16 | SpeedEvil | on battery |
| 18:17.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | well I got these results even before update |
| 18:17.43 | wackl | hm, don't know. havent installed or changed anything |
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| 18:17.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: muhahaHAAAHAA |
| 18:18.11 | glass_ | ahahah :DD |
| 18:19.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | sane usage of N900 style gadgets includes careful scrutinizing of something like load applet |
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| 18:19.39 | SpeedEvil | load applet is 3/4 awesome. |
| 18:19.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's tiny but I watch it frequently |
| 18:19.49 | SpeedEvil | It would be 100% awesome if it understood cpufreq |
| 18:19.57 | woglinde | speedevil lol |
| 18:19.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 18:20.11 | SpeedEvil | 100% CPU at 250MHz != 100%@600MHz |
| 18:20.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | it doesn,t? |
| 18:20.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 18:20.31 | SpeedEvil | I may have misinterpreted things - but it diddn't seem to |
| 18:20.37 | SpeedEvil | most stuff doesn't. |
| 18:20.43 | SpeedEvil | top or htop don't, ps doesn't |
| 18:21.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | well O% is zero percent at least. on any core clock |
| 18:21.13 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 18:21.22 | SpeedEvil | It's a minor issue for that reason |
| 18:22.18 | cehteh | top -d 600 is all you need :P |
| 18:22.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | -d 600 huh? |
| 18:23.07 | SplasPood | feh, maemo really needs confirmation on shutdown... I always end up tapping that rather than changing the audio mode |
| 18:23.18 | cehteh | i hate it when a load-o-meter keeps the cpu awake |
| 18:23.25 | SpeedEvil | SplasPood: and I keep turning it off accidentally by pressing it too much |
| 18:23.31 | SplasPood | SpeedEvil: same |
| 18:23.36 | SplasPood | booting back up now ;) |
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| 18:24.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | check tweakr |
| 18:24.13 | cehteh | seeing the cpu utilization of long-time processes is quite useful .. transient spikes are boring |
| 18:24.14 | jX | cehteh: It seemed as though the loadmeter actually slowed down other things too, like it took too many cycles to do it's thing so I uninstalled it. |
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| 18:24.40 | Stskeeps | wb jebba |
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| 18:25.52 | jX | oh, while people are here and awake. I installed openssh on my 900, but I can't su still, do I still need to do that bit with the flasher util or something? |
| 18:26.28 | Stskeeps | jX: sudo gainroot, install rootsh |
| 18:26.56 | jX | ahh yeah, rd mode sitll, thanks. |
| 18:27.25 | hardaker | well, my script analyzing *all* the packages in dpkg finally finished while I was away. |
| 18:27.27 | woglinde | hi jebba |
| 18:27.29 | hardaker | 2048 packages. |
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| 18:28.08 | hardaker | top 20 I had installed (of which I've just removed some): |
| 18:28.11 | hardaker | http://pastebin.com/m278f842f |
| 18:28.22 | hardaker | locales being the biggest |
| 18:28.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: not the other way round?? |
| 18:28.33 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: was correcting him |
| 18:28.41 | Stskeeps | rootsh will give you sudo gainroot capability |
| 18:29.04 | woglinde | damn |
| 18:29.27 | woglinde | debian introduced a circualr dependency chain with 2 python packages |
| 18:29.29 | wolf^ | hardaker, how does this script look? |
| 18:29.35 | RST38h | If you are using FBReader, PLEASE VOTE: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fbreader/0.10.7-10/ |
| 18:29.55 | hardaker | wolf^: lists each file in a package and does an lstat on it and adds up the size based on the partition the data is in. |
| 18:29.56 | woglinde | this prevents me to bring git-buildpackage easily to maemo |
| 18:30.08 | hardaker | it actually caculates totals for each FS but I'm only printing out / |
| 18:30.11 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: getting good! |
| 18:30.23 | wolf^ | hardaker, nice overkill |
| 18:30.25 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, it has got a few tweaks |
| 18:30.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: nice |
| 18:30.34 | hardaker | wolf^: it's the only way to be sure. |
| 18:30.36 | RST38h | optified it, at the very least |
| 18:30.56 | hardaker | woglinde: are you the one that packaged the other git packages? |
| 18:30.59 | hardaker | git-core? |
| 18:31.13 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: my remaining niggle is that it's tricky to use the screen to easily change pages. I'd like the top and bottom of the page to skip back and forward. |
| 18:31.13 | hardaker | (I think we simultaniously packaged it... I created the straight "git" one) |
| 18:31.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: apropos tweaks. check out 'tweakr' |
| 18:31.44 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Default config does exactly that |
| 18:31.49 | Mozillion | so.. THE question: am I the only one who didn't receive the update :) |
| 18:31.58 | jX | yes |
| 18:32.03 | wolf^ | hardaker, 'rpm -qa --qf "%{SIZE} %{NAME}\n" | sort -n' does the same ;) |
| 18:32.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: "long powerpress: " (shutdown | do nohing) |
| 18:32.12 | jX | we decided you didn't need it. |
| 18:32.13 | hardaker | if rpm, sure. |
| 18:32.23 | hardaker | I wouldn't be surprised if there is a dpkg equiv. |
| 18:32.26 | hardaker | but that won't work... |
| 18:32.34 | hardaker | that lists the size of the package regardless of partition. |
| 18:32.39 | hardaker | I'm *only* interested in space on / |
| 18:32.42 | wolf^ | hardaker, but doesn't take different mounts into account and probably doesn't display real file usage |
| 18:32.52 | hardaker | right. mine does ;-) |
| 18:33.05 | hardaker | (though it doesn't count data created and not listed in the package) |
| 18:33.09 | RST38h | sadly notices that nobody has voted for colEm =( |
| 18:33.28 | woglinde | rst whats colem? |
| 18:33.35 | Arkenoi | rst38h: i voted when you asked me last time |
| 18:33.39 | RST38h | woglinde: ColecoVision emulator |
| 18:33.45 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I know, thanks ... |
| 18:33.53 | wolf^ | hardaker, that doesn't really count |
| 18:33.55 | RST38h | Arkenoi: It is a new release though, with a few fixes |
| 18:34.14 | wolf^ | hardaker, you can always specify files as %ghost in rpm, and maybe some shmoo-foo also in dpkg |
| 18:34.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: oooh - thanks |
| 18:34.30 | hardaker | wolf^: no, and they *should* have listed it as file to be cleaned up too. But then, they should have also put in maemo-optify :-P |
| 18:34.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: yw |
| 18:34.52 | wazd_e63 | RST38h: I want to vote) |
| 18:35.07 | RST38h | wazd: Ah get yourself an N900 already =) |
| 18:35.21 | RST38h | wazd: (from the US of course, no way anyone can afford one here) |
| 18:35.22 | woglinde | hm what was ColecoVision |
| 18:35.24 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes - but if you turn off hte 'cursor bar navigation' or whatever it's called, that messes that up, and the actual active areas are tiny |
| 18:35.29 | wazd_e63 | rst38h: no way) |
| 18:35.36 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I was meaning the entire top and bottom of the screen |
| 18:35.39 | wolf^ | hardaker, maemo-optify, as in the magic script run during package building? |
| 18:36.11 | hardaker | yeah.. |
| 18:36.15 | hardaker | does moving and symlinking |
| 18:36.15 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: and you have to turn it off - otherwise you keep moving to the wrong part of the book - IME |
| 18:36.24 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: we're picking DDP devices on saturday btw |
| 18:36.24 | red | Anyone had the Maemo 5 update erroring on "not enough space left on device"? I have more than 20MB free on rootfs. |
| 18:36.24 | wolf^ | hardaker, but why? :> |
| 18:36.31 | wolf^ | hardaker, --prefix is the correct way |
| 18:36.40 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: wanna go to spb for one day?) |
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| 18:37.00 | hardaker | red: yes.. I even just wrote a script to figure out what is taking all the room (I had 16M) |
| 18:37.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: RST38h: related topic:: xchat scrolling |
| 18:37.03 | X-Fade | red: reboot |
| 18:37.20 | hardaker | wolf^: well, because --prefix still puts some things in the wrong place. |
| 18:37.28 | hardaker | go read up on what the script is doing and why... |
| 18:37.44 | X-Fade | red: Garbage collection only happens on boot. So that might give you a lot more room to play with. |
| 18:37.46 | hardaker | you're right that a lot of it could be done at install time by careful package args. |
| 18:37.49 | hardaker | optify is a hack |
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| 18:38.22 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Sorry but I have no idea what your problem is. |
| 18:38.24 | wolf^ | hardaker, not really interested in learning the ways of broken solutions to problems |
| 18:38.38 | RST38h | I have both touch paging and status bar navigation enabled. Works like a charm for me. |
| 18:38.54 | wolf^ | hardaker, i guess you're talking about icons and desktop files |
| 18:38.59 | RST38h | There is a bit of a problem selecting data from the lists (you have to aim real carefully) but aside from that things work |
| 18:39.23 | wolf^ | hardaker, much more elegant way would be to patch hildon-whatever to look into /opt/share/... for these |
| 18:39.29 | RST38h | If you tend to touch status bar accidentally, simply click the UNDO button (looks like left arrow) |
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| 18:41.20 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: which relies on you noticing you've hit the status bar - and then popping up the undo button. |
| 18:41.47 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: if you were hoping to change page - noticing the page has changed to an unexpected page may not be instant. |
| 18:42.09 | red | I rebooted and 35MB free now |
| 18:42.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: aaah that,s the name of the bugger. Garbage Collection :-D |
| 18:42.11 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: As I said, I do not have any idea what you are talking about |
| 18:42.15 | red | attempting to reinstall the update, ty X-Fade |
| 18:42.31 | RST38h | Do not want to mess things up? ==> Do not touch the status bar accidentally. |
| 18:42.44 | red | btw I see some controversial talk on the i-net about 3G vs wifi in terms of power consumption |
| 18:42.49 | RST38h | Cannot make yourself not to hit status bar? ==> Disable status bar browsing |
| 18:43.01 | red | if the wifit AP has power saving, wouldn't wifi drain less battery than being on 3G? |
| 18:43.16 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I've done that - and the areas of the screen left sensitive for touch are tiny |
| 18:43.20 | red | and phone being idling in pocket, sometimes refreshing rss etc |
| 18:43.21 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: rechecking |
| 18:43.30 | RST38h | Do not want to disable status bar browsing AND cannot keep yourself from touching it accidentally ==> Disable touch paging and use zoom buttons |
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| 18:43.43 | RST38h | Sensitive areas of the screen are always exactly the same. |
| 18:43.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | red: depends |
| 18:43.58 | RST38h | Upper half scrolls up, lower half scrolls down. |
| 18:44.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | red: things like ARP may keep wifi busy while UMTS is idling |
| 18:44.48 | red | Whats your suggestion then |
| 18:44.57 | red | Keep auto hop to wifi off until I actually need speed? :p |
| 18:45.11 | red | I know my router has power saving atleast |
| 18:45.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | no suggestion here :-D |
| 18:45.19 | red | d'oh |
| 18:45.27 | red | I guess I'll just have to test |
| 18:45.43 | mfinkle | anyone use xresponse on fremantle? |
| 18:45.57 | hardaker | wolf^: I agree (and sorry for the delay...; was on phone) There are better ways than what was done. |
| 18:46.00 | mfinkle | I'm trying to understand what it is outputting |
| 18:46.20 | hardaker | red: I just upgraded about 30 second sago and had 23.348 free |
| 18:46.59 | hardaker | wifi is much more power consuming. |
| 18:47.04 | Mozillion | ah.. apt-get dist-upgrade DOES show the upgrade.. contrary to the app manager |
| 18:47.05 | hardaker | shouldn't be and I don't get it, but it is. |
| 18:47.22 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: unrelated - options->indicator->offset from edge is cut off at the edge |
| 18:47.35 | ShadowJK | wouldn't trust apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:48.06 | red | Guess I'll stay on my 3.6Mbit 3G then |
| 18:48.15 | red | not like it's that bad, just dislike the latency |
| 18:48.45 | hardaker | I use wifi all the time (note that there is an option to cut the power down to 1/10th; I didn't think it made a huge diff though) |
| 18:49.02 | hardaker | I only turn it off when I know I'm likely to be on all day, etc, and don't have near by power. |
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| 18:49.59 | johnsu01 | in my experience 3g murders the battery and wifi is better (with polling off of course) |
| 18:50.03 | johnsu01 | is that crazy? |
| 18:50.09 | jX | no |
| 18:50.11 | jX | actually. |
| 18:50.26 | SpeedEvil | johnsu01: mine too |
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| 18:51.26 | hardaker | maybe it's the polling that's expensive |
| 18:51.28 | hardaker | ? |
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| 18:51.48 | hardaker | does that mean it polls even when connected to a wifi in the first place (which'd be stupid) |
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| 18:54.35 | red | I got 5min poll intervall, guess I'll nudge it up :P |
| 18:54.46 | red | didn't think it would be doing this when on the wifi |
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| 18:57.52 | trbs | I'm getting 'operation failed' (translated) on the camera application after the latest firmware update |
| 18:57.57 | trbs | is this a known problem ? (on n900) |
| 18:59.21 | ShadowJK | nope, camera works for me |
| 18:59.31 | ShadowJK | still pcture or video? |
| 18:59.58 | konttori | trbs: camera was not even touched with the ssu update |
| 19:00.11 | konttori | so, if you have a prob, it's unrelated. |
| 19:00.19 | konttori | you might want to reboot just to make sure |
| 19:00.31 | trbs | konttori, thanks, then i'll try and find what else is going on |
| 19:00.37 | konttori | as that really reboots the dsp |
| 19:00.39 | trbs | konttori, yes i'll reboot first, good point :) |
| 19:01.20 | konttori | the dsp/sgx can go haywire sometimes. |
| 19:02.16 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm unsure what's going on. Status bar disabled (though I see this without) - touch scrolling is very unreliable. I get a UI click - and nothing happens. Usually the bottom half-line of text will cause a scroll - when this is happening. Sometimes it works. |
| 19:02.23 | Macer | so looks like holywood turned sherlock holmes into one of the league of extraordinary gentlemen? |
| 19:02.51 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: mv ~/.FBReader ~/.FBReader.old |
| 19:02.57 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: touching a point in the centre of the text lines - 1/3 or 2/3 down the screen occasionally works - but will usually stop working a few times later |
| 19:03.04 | trbs | konttori, reboot and it works fine again |
| 19:03.04 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: and restart FBReader |
| 19:03.06 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: sorry - I should have thought of that |
| 19:03.06 | Macer | i'm waiting for him to shoot lasers from his eyes or something |
| 19:03.16 | RST38h | You probably messed up the config |
| 19:03.48 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I haven't edited it by hand |
| 19:03.52 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: but trying that |
| 19:03.55 | trbs | konttori, thanks, (maybe i should remove the cover and clean it to remove the hay :P ) |
| 19:04.12 | tybollt | Macer: sigh so I shouldn't take the missus out to see it then? |
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| 19:04.29 | konttori | We did fix quite a lot of instalibility issues like that for pr1.1 |
| 19:04.57 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: ok - starting - on the start document - first start with a blown away config - the zoom buttons scroll - touching the page does nothing |
| 19:05.33 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: (though I get haptic) |
| 19:06.22 | Macer | tybollt: well. avatar would be a better choice if you are taking a woman to the show |
| 19:06.31 | trbs | konttori, well if there's anything I can do too help :) |
| 19:06.34 | Macer | sherlock holmes is like... if you took sherlock holmes and gene spliced him with batman |
| 19:06.45 | Macer | it is more action than thought |
| 19:06.51 | greenfly | sherlock holmes reminded me of a scooby doo mystery |
| 19:07.01 | Macer | greenfly: hahaha |
| 19:07.09 | konttori | firt you need to get closer to what we develop on. PR1.1 is already a month behind the development |
| 19:07.19 | Arkenoi | btw fbreader expresses quite strange behavior sometimes: when i close it with [X] button, there is no yellow "saving configuration" and the book postition is set to some random value close to the beginning |
| 19:07.20 | tybollt | Macer: oh we've been to that one already and yeah it was :) |
| 19:07.21 | konttori | and you have pr1.0.1 which is 2 months away from pr1.1 |
| 19:07.42 | tybollt | Macer: yuck :-| |
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| 19:08.06 | konttori | ouch. I almost told you guys when pr1.1 will be out. |
| 19:08.16 | trbs | hehe |
| 19:08.20 | Arkenoi | and qt keyboard entry is expected to be fixed in 1.2 which is i think months away from now :-( |
| 19:08.21 | wiretapped | who is testing pr1.1? I mean, how does one become a community tester? |
| 19:08.35 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Again, I have never seen this happen |
| 19:08.35 | Macer | i mean cmon |
| 19:08.36 | konttori | I don't know. I suppose they were hand picked |
| 19:08.44 | Macer | sherlock holmes was literally dodging bullets |
| 19:08.52 | Macer | and why is it that movies always show bullets causing sparks? |
| 19:08.55 | ShadowJK | konttori: i cynically assumed from your blog post "when developers optify", which is like, never :P |
| 19:08.58 | Macer | lead doesn't spark like that |
| 19:09.21 | konttori | lol |
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| 19:09.36 | RST38h | those are depleted uranium bullets |
| 19:09.50 | RST38h | or tungsten |
| 19:10.37 | ShadowJK | 51-44, math isn't si hard :x |
| 19:11.01 | Arkenoi | copper-coated bullets from my air guns caused quite spectacular sparks from concrete |
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| 19:11.46 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: what firmware release are you on? I'm on the recent update |
| 19:11.49 | RST38h | green sparks? |
| 19:11.56 | RST38h | 44.1 |
| 19:12.02 | Macer | RST38h: no. blinding white sparks |
| 19:12.04 | Macer | heh |
| 19:12.20 | RST38h | that should be what? |
| 19:12.24 | Arkenoi | nope, orange ones (btw that's really interesting - why not green?) |
| 19:12.29 | RST38h | thorium? |
| 19:12.58 | wazd_e63 | They are sparkling cause it's cool) Ordinary life is so boring) |
| 19:13.03 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: 44.1 here too. Sigh. |
| 19:13.13 | konttori | 44 is actually a special version with some hand picked fixes from 51. |
| 19:13.15 | jeez_ | hi there! I've just updated my N900 to 44-1 firmaware but now my cellphone is not working anymore. on the "system tray" there is just an icon on a SIM card with a red line crossing it. Does anyone know what can be happening ?! |
| 19:13.24 | Arkenoi | still does not see the update! |
| 19:13.29 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: My bet is that you are doing something wrong |
| 19:13.30 | konttori | the 44 doesn't really reflect the date that the release was made on |
| 19:14.01 | odin_ | jeez_, did the phone reboot after installing it ? did you get a yellow notification saying the "Operating System Update was Successful" ? |
| 19:14.07 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: ok - I'll uninstall blow away .FBreader - and reinstall |
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| 19:14.26 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: It is N900 and you are using the latest version from -testing? |
| 19:14.44 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes - updated a couple of days ago or yesterday IIRC |
| 19:14.46 | jeez_ | odin_: Yes, and everything was reset on it... |
| 19:14.48 | wazd_e63 | Same as "why standard mp5 in matrix hall scene smashes concrete like freaking tank cannon |
| 19:15.02 | SpeedEvil | ...7.10 |
| 19:15.06 | jeez_ | I've checked on Settings (about) and it says that I'm using 44-1 now |
| 19:15.08 | RST38h | Speed: Open a book (with many pages) and tell me EXACTLY what it is you do not like |
| 19:15.13 | konttori | jeez_: that sounds again unrelated to the ssu, as the ssu didn't touch cellmo |
| 19:15.26 | odin_ | jeez_, the phone puts itsemf into offline mode during the install but should re-enable after reboot... can you press power button and toggle offline mode ? |
| 19:15.35 | Stskeeps | jeez_: did you update through application manager or NSU? |
| 19:15.44 | RST38h | jeez: you either entered wrong SIM card code, or your sim card is somehow disconnected/missing/broken |
| 19:15.50 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: 95%+ of the time, pressing a point in the center of the lines of text, 1/3 or 2/3 down the page does not scroll. |
| 19:16.08 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Ok. Press harder. |
| 19:16.11 | RST38h | Use your nail. |
| 19:16.17 | jeez_ | Just did Offline mode on and off and it stills without gsm service =/ |
| 19:16.23 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm getting a haptic click though |
| 19:16.28 | jeez_ | odin_: ^ |
| 19:16.32 | RST38h | whatever. use the nail |
| 19:16.43 | jeez_ | Stskeeps: I used the flasher-3.5 |
| 19:16.47 | jeez_ | on Mac OS |
| 19:16.47 | odin_ | jeez_, maybe take SIM out and reboot, and put SIM back in and reboot |
| 19:16.57 | jeez_ | trying |
| 19:17.24 | wazd_e63 | And glue that is used to attach marble plates to coloums can hold a whole damn elevator glued to it, but in matrix it can't hold even small plate) |
| 19:17.36 | konttori | jeez_: oh, you used the flasher. ouch. I have a funny feeling you would need a newer flasher than 3.5 |
| 19:17.37 | odin_ | flasher is a little over the top for minor firware updates ? |
| 19:17.57 | konttori | it might need you to reflash with a later flasher (I am only guessing) |
| 19:18.03 | RST38h | SonyEriccsson lays a turd: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/se-faith-dailyiphoneblog.jpg |
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| 19:18.12 | Stskeeps | jeez_: where did you get the FIASCO image? :P thought that wasn't published |
| 19:18.20 | Arkenoi | looks like i am the only one who hasn't recieved ota update yet? |
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| 19:18.47 | konttori | Arkenoi: where do you live? |
| 19:18.49 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: have you tried doing an explicit update in app-man? |
| 19:18.54 | jeez_ | flasher v2.5.2 (Nov 20 2009) ... it was this one |
| 19:18.56 | Arkenoi | russia |
| 19:19.03 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, yep, nothing there |
| 19:19.06 | tybollt | RST38h: must be a shop? |
| 19:19.12 | konttori | Arkenoi: hmm... I'll check out tomorrow if that makes a difference. |
| 19:19.17 | tybollt | RST38h: that's totally an E61 >:) |
| 19:19.18 | konttori | cannot do it now though |
| 19:19.41 | RST38h | tybollt: Butt ugly E61 running WinMo |
| 19:19.57 | davyg | does someone manage to sync zimbra account(contact/calendar...) with the n900 ? |
| 19:20.19 | tybollt | RST38h: word |
| 19:21.30 | tybollt | silly ovi.mobi, work damit :) |
| 19:25.58 | Lynoure | hmm, how much empty space in / does it take to be able to include the new maemo5 update? Keeps on complaining about there not being enough space (there is more than the package size) |
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| 19:26.12 | lardman|home | eveningf |
| 19:26.17 | Stskeeps | evening lardman|home |
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| 19:27.13 | lardman|home | sees work being closed tomorrow |
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| 19:28.56 | tybollt | Lynoure: as said on various places... remove the two maemo extras and devel repos, add the update and readd the repos |
| 19:29.54 | jeez_ | anyone from Nokia Maemo here ? |
| 19:30.31 | red | Any MediaBox users here? |
| 19:30.38 | red | I just added 5 folder onto my shelf |
| 19:30.44 | red | but how do I play from those? :p |
| 19:31.06 | Lynoure | tybollt: Thanks, will try. |
| 19:33.58 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Still not changed it - pressing moderately harder - ~500g - or using a thumbnail does not make a difference. After removing, removing .FBreader, reinstalling |
| 19:34.20 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 19:34.33 | Stskeeps | er, this is going to sound embarassing, but is it possible to do web uploads to extras? |
| 19:35.05 | frals | Stskeeps: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php ? |
| 19:35.59 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:36.00 | Stskeeps | good |
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| 19:37.19 | andre__ | jeez_: what would it change if somebody answered "yes"? :-P |
| 19:37.35 | frals | "whens pr1.1 coming?" |
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| 19:38.07 | andre__ | when it's ready... |
| 19:38.25 | andre__ | yeah, probably :-) |
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| 19:38.32 | frals | hiya RevdKathy |
| 19:38.41 | tybollt | frals: Well they like to keep us on the old sträckbänk, you know :) |
| 19:38.51 | RevdKathy | hiya frals - hiya all! |
| 19:38.56 | andre__ | hi |
| 19:39.19 | red | is pycage on irc? |
| 19:39.20 | RevdKathy | hi andre_ |
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| 19:44.05 | wazd_e63 | RevdKathy: heya |
| 19:44.20 | RevdKathy | hiya wazd_e63 |
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| 19:44.33 | RevdKathy | Oh God, this place iis starting to sound like an aol chat room! |
| 19:44.49 | Nitial | oh noes, where are the extra levels for angry birds? :o |
| 19:45.01 | tybollt | RevdKathy: me too |
| 19:45.23 | SpeedEvil | Any users of fbreader for who page-up and page-down by tapping the page works just fine? |
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| 19:46.13 | wazd_e63 | revdKathy: well, now it's time to determine is it good or bad =) |
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| 19:47.05 | xorAxAx | imagine if everybody here started greeting everybody else :) |
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| 19:47.21 | acidjazz | where can i go read about the updates/fixes in the new maemo patch i just got? :) |
| 19:47.29 | RevdKathy | Hi tybollt |
| 19:47.40 | xorAxAx | hi RevdKathy |
| 19:47.48 | FredrIQ | Hi everyone |
| 19:48.00 | RevdKathy | I start to feel like the community Mom - it's like the Waltons all over again! |
| 19:48.05 | xorAxAx | FredrIQ: thats cheating :) |
| 19:48.08 | RevdKathy | Hi xorAxAx |
| 19:48.19 | wazd_e63 | Yeah, hi all, just in case :) |
| 19:48.30 | Stskeeps | RevdKathy for council 1/2010~! |
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| 19:48.58 | RevdKathy | I;m supposed to be finishing my Masters till May. But thanks for the compliment |
| 19:49.15 | RevdKathy | ok - how do I access usr/share/sounds? |
| 19:49.18 | xorAxAx | what are you studying, RevdKathy? |
| 19:49.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | for u in $users: do /msg hello $u; done |
| 19:49.43 | RevdKathy | Studying? Consciousness and Transpersonal Psychology |
| 19:49.57 | SpeedEvil | Sounds like fun. |
| 19:49.57 | Stskeeps | RevdKathy: i'm sure you can write your thesis on maemo.org |
| 19:49.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:50.20 | frals | RevdKathy: what do you want to do with /usr/share/sounds? |
| 19:50.23 | RevdKathy | if only - I should be transcribing interviews but have too much of a headcole |
| 19:50.44 | RevdKathy | I don't but that fool wants to edit his camera sounds and is on a one way track to a brick |
| 19:50.49 | fnordianslip | i've been trying to study unconsciousness, but I can never remember anything |
| 19:50.52 | xorAxAx | RevdKathy: then what did you mean by masters? :) |
| 19:50.55 | red | timeless_mbp: I was using your translations on N900, after the firmware upgrade some names have changed (like Add/Remove -> App manager). |
| 19:51.02 | red | Isn't your file in use any longer or why is that? |
| 19:51.06 | xorAxAx | fnordianslip: wrong drugs |
| 19:51.11 | RevdKathy | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40234 |
| 19:51.15 | timeless_mbp | red: open settings>american english |
| 19:51.19 | timeless_mbp | it should show you 'mixed' |
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| 19:51.28 | timeless_mbp | select Native, ok, reboot |
| 19:51.49 | red | Native Speaker? |
| 19:51.51 | RevdKathy | XorAxAx MSc |
| 19:51.52 | timeless_mbp | red: yep |
| 19:52.03 | xorAxAx | RevdKathy: in which major? |
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| 19:52.07 | timeless_mbp | red: sorry, this is the best i can do so far |
| 19:52.09 | fnordianslip | xorAxAx: Nope. The ones I have are obviously the right ones, whatever they are :) |
| 19:52.09 | red | alright, thanks :) |
| 19:52.14 | timeless_mbp | it's self healing, but not self diagnosing |
| 19:52.22 | red | sorry for what? :D |
| 19:52.30 | timeless_mbp | for not making it automatic |
| 19:52.37 | VDVsx | RevdKathy, what is your field of studies ? if I can know of course ;) |
| 19:52.37 | timeless_mbp | well, perhaps i should say it isn't self aware |
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| 19:52.43 | RevdKathy | It's psychology - transpersonal psychology and the nature of consciousness |
| 19:52.45 | red | well I didn't expect everything to be set up as it was after firmware update :) |
| 19:52.49 | timeless_mbp | it is self diagnosing, since it shows you the 'mixed' state |
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| 19:52.58 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: so you want it to be a part of the browser? |
| 19:52.59 | red | aye |
| 19:53.12 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: ? |
| 19:53.17 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Changing 'maximal stylus pressure to 1 - seems to have fixed it. |
| 19:53.23 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: because you said sorry |
| 19:53.24 | xorAxAx | :) |
| 19:53.33 | FredrIQ | var %i = 1 | while %i < $nick(#,0) { msg # hello, $nick(#,%i) $+ ! | inc %i } |
| 19:53.33 | FredrIQ | MSL is nice, but some parts in its syntax is weird |
| 19:53.35 | xorAxAx | then you could have fixed it etc. |
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| 19:53.49 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: i just have to figure out 'how' to fix it |
| 19:53.52 | xorAxAx | RevdKathy: and, is it fun? |
| 19:53.57 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I am not pressing unreasonably softly - perhaps some touchscreens report lighter touch pressure than others? |
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| 19:54.01 | timeless_mbp | the thing is, i don't really want to slow down the boot process |
| 19:54.19 | timeless_mbp | and i'm not quite sure i want to actively mess with the way dpkg works |
| 19:54.23 | RevdKathy | xorAxAx it was when I started. Now I'm 4 months from the end and bored. And I want to focus on maemo instead |
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| 19:54.29 | timeless_mbp | (i risk eating my own tail) |
| 19:54.32 | VDVsx | Remosi, there's a lot of space for good studies around OSS, but more in the Sociology field :) |
| 19:54.44 | angasuleN810 | I'm guessing browserd is not restarted if I kill it, heh |
| 19:54.45 | xorAxAx | RevdKathy: my masters are kinda boring me as well |
| 19:55.01 | Jaffa | re |
| 19:55.02 | timeless_mbp | angasuleN810: on the n8x0? i can't remember the rules |
| 19:55.04 | RevdKathy | what's your study? xorAxAx |
| 19:55.05 | angasuleN810 | should I just browserd & from a term? |
| 19:55.09 | wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: do you need keynote layout btw? |
| 19:55.11 | timeless_mbp | for the n900 if you open browser, a browserd will come up |
| 19:55.15 | xorAxAx | computer science, RevdKathy |
| 19:55.30 | wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: I can send it to you tomorrow) |
| 19:55.34 | timeless_mbp | angasuleN810: for the n8x0 there's a service in /etc/something that you're supposed to use to start browserd iirc |
| 19:55.37 | angasuleN810 | well, if I open browser, it will be updating forever |
| 19:55.44 | VDVsx | wazd_e63, of course I need, lol, thanks |
| 19:55.45 | RevdKathy | xorAxAx: I would have thought that was something ou could do alongside this work, no? |
| 19:55.51 | timeless_mbp | red: fwiw, the package should work w/ the first major update, but if you don't get an update from me before the second major update, then there's some risk that thing won't work by then |
| 19:55.53 | angasuleN810 | do you remember which? |
| 19:55.56 | VDVsx | sent virtual goodies to wazd_e63 :) |
| 19:55.56 | timeless_mbp | but that seems incredibly unlikely :) |
| 19:56.01 | VDVsx | *sends |
| 19:56.09 | timeless_mbp | angasuleN810: the name isn't enciphered, you'll recognize it |
| 19:56.11 | xorAxAx | RevdKathy: which work? its supposed to be fulltime study |
| 19:56.51 | RevdKathy | your work on maemo, of course! xorAxAx - or isn't everyone as obsessed as I am? |
| 19:57.09 | xorAxAx | RevdKathy: sure, i am. eagerly waiting for my n900 |
| 19:57.17 | RevdKathy | :D |
| 19:57.31 | xorAxAx | should arrive tomorrow |
| 19:57.43 | RevdKathy | xorAxAx - how exciting! |
| 19:57.48 | xorAxAx | makes me forget all my uni obligations |
| 19:58.05 | angasuleN810 | tablet-browser-daemon |
| 19:58.16 | timeless_mbp | angasuleN810: see, that wasn't hard :) |
| 19:58.41 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: max of 6 seems to be maximum for it to behave sanely here |
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| 19:58.58 | angasuleN810 | it wasn't so easy either, too many files in /etc/init.d :-P |
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| 19:59.29 | angasuleN810 | midori seems fast, but the UI doesn't feel as good |
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| 19:59.58 | angasuleN810 | I'm having memory issues, something seems to be leaking |
| 20:00.02 | xorAxAx | RevdKathy: and, whats the most impressive thing you have learned about consciousness? |
| 20:00.40 | RevdKathy | xorAxAx Mostly that we dont actually have any idea what it is, or how it interacts with our physical reality |
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| 20:01.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | RevdKathy: hehehe |
| 20:01.32 | xorAxAx | hehe, so you know that you dont know, not bad :) |
| 20:01.41 | Arkenoi | btw "spectrum" in media player widget is just random bullshit ;-) |
| 20:01.49 | SpeedEvil | Umm - the result of some dirty water thinking it's special? |
| 20:02.01 | wazd_e63 | Arkenoi: yep |
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| 20:02.18 | wazd_e63 | Arkenoi: 3 frame animation) |
| 20:02.25 | RevdKathy | yeah - science claims to know so much but basic questions like 'what exactly is consciousness - is it a side effect of brain or something completely separate? we don't have an answer |
| 20:02.42 | Wolfie | science claims nothing ;) |
| 20:02.49 | Wolfie | it's the scientists |
| 20:02.54 | SpeedEvil | RevdKathy: well - in the absence of anyone proving ESP or ... |
| 20:03.30 | wazd_e63 | revdKathy: so, you actually spent 5 years on studying the thing that nobody gives a damn about?) |
| 20:03.30 | RevdKathy | fair point Wolfie - though actually it's les the scientists than the press and popular stuff that follows and like nice black and white answers |
| 20:03.39 | Wolfie | what's scary, in my mind, is that scientists have apparently not yet been able to explain why exactly ice is slippery |
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| 20:04.09 | Arkenoi | Wolfie: isn't it quite simple or am i missing something? |
| 20:04.18 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: it's the layer of water formed by friction as you apply a load to it |
| 20:04.35 | jX | indeed |
| 20:04.38 | angasuleN810 | speedevil, nope, apparently |
| 20:04.40 | Wolfie | and that the theory behind why ice skates work isn't exactly as we have been taught in school - the numbers don't appear to mach up |
| 20:04.51 | RevdKathy | wazd_e63 given that whether cosnciousness is able to exist apart from physical reality is a pretty big question, I'd say it's not time waste d- 3 years, anyway |
| 20:04.55 | SpeedEvil | or pressure causing the phase of water that's preferred to be water not ice. |
| 20:04.58 | GeneralAntilles | Which doesn't form below about -50°F |
| 20:05.22 | SpeedEvil | RevdKathy: especially given that we all find out sooner or later. |
| 20:05.28 | angasuleN810 | apparently there is *always* a water layer |
| 20:05.37 | xorAxAx | RevdKathy: what is transpersonal psychology about? |
| 20:05.45 | Wolfie | angasuleN810: yeah, that's one theory, but i guess there's no proof of that yet, either |
| 20:05.47 | RevdKathy | Yes, but some of us would like to know before then, SpeedEvil |
| 20:05.51 | SpeedEvil | Microscale effects are a bitch. |
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| 20:05.55 | Arkenoi | revdkathy: so did you get some interesting directions to watch more closely, at least? |
| 20:05.57 | angasuleN810 | I want psychohistory! |
| 20:06.01 | jX | ice is slippery because god says so. OBVIOUSLY. |
| 20:06.24 | jX | we just need to find the bible pages here he said it. |
| 20:06.25 | SpeedEvil | Yes we know how ice works. In the large scale. To actually work out why it's slippery can in some cases require horribly, horribly detailed simulation. |
| 20:06.26 | Wolfie | anyhow, I might be totally wrong or just have outdated info. I happened to read this in an article somewhere |
| 20:06.26 | angasuleN810 | Wolfie, even if true, that doesn't tell us why |
| 20:06.30 | RevdKathy | There's actually some very interesting stats coming in from some of the DMILS tests |
| 20:06.37 | Wolfie | angasuleN810: why what? |
| 20:06.42 | SpeedEvil | Much like conciousness emerging from chemistry. |
| 20:06.54 | RST38h | Consciousness is overrated anyway |
| 20:06.55 | jX | SpeedEvil: That's assuming cocsciousness is real. |
| 20:07.00 | angasuleN810 | Wolfie, why that layer exists |
| 20:07.08 | RST38h | It's a memetic virus |
| 20:07.09 | Wolfie | angasuleN810: yeah |
| 20:07.11 | jX | it's entirely possible it's simply an amalgamation of chemical reactions. |
| 20:07.16 | RevdKathy | well, indeed jX - is it real? What do we mean when we say we're conscious? |
| 20:07.17 | SpeedEvil | jX: It's not. IMO. |
| 20:07.19 | wazd_e63 | Wolfie: well, this info is outdated for like, mm, 300 years)) |
| 20:07.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | angasuleN810: there,s actually always a film of water. water molecules aggregating to ice crystals is a dynamic balanced process |
| 20:07.24 | angasuleN810 | whacks RST with a club |
| 20:07.31 | RevdKathy | Can you be conscious without being conscious of something? |
| 20:07.37 | angasuleN810 | I need a tab key! |
| 20:07.38 | Wolfie | wazd_e63: well, the article was written within the last 5 years... |
| 20:07.40 | SpeedEvil | Conciousness is an illusion brought on by ego. |
| 20:07.50 | Arkenoi | "brain is something that makes us think that we think" |
| 20:07.54 | jX | RevdKathy: We have yet to clearly define consciousness even. |
| 20:07.56 | lupine_85 | angasuleN810: forget tab, | is where it's at |
| 20:08.13 | lupine_85 | my N900 misses that sorely |
| 20:08.14 | angasuleN810 | lupine, oh, don't remind me :-( |
| 20:08.23 | wazd_e63 | Ohnoes, where's the eject button :D |
| 20:08.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | angasuleN810: that,s why ice is melting when you place salt on it. you change the equilibrum much like you do on osmosis |
| 20:08.27 | xorAxAx | when we are conscious, what are we conscious of? |
| 20:08.33 | lupine_85 | was intensely amused to discover /floppy on the filesystem |
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| 20:08.40 | jX | xorAxAx: If you're a man, usually boobs. |
| 20:08.47 | RST38h | "I always thought that the brain is the most important part of my body, until I recognized who is telling me this" |
| 20:09.06 | xorAxAx | jX: indeed |
| 20:09.14 | Wolfie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Slipperiness |
| 20:09.14 | xorAxAx | jX: how about women? |
| 20:09.25 | jX | xorAxAx: How their boobs look. |
| 20:09.29 | RevdKathy | hang on - sis has pc crisis |
| 20:09.33 | angasuleN810 | manboobs? moobs! |
| 20:11.06 | Arkenoi | revdkathy, actually that's quite interesting, could you please be a bit more specific about exactly *what* did that 5 years give you? |
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| 20:11.29 | wazd_e63 | In fact I understand that all of you are just illusions of my damadged brain and I'm lying in coma after plane crash :) |
| 20:11.52 | konttori | sounds like one iain banks novel |
| 20:11.55 | wazd_e63 | Damaged* |
| 20:12.23 | RST38h | wazd: Worse than that |
| 20:12.36 | RST38h | wazd: We are all ASCII characters scrolling in a window |
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| 20:12.41 | wazd_e63 | konttori: see?) my brain summoned you to tell me that I'm wrong :D |
| 20:12.57 | RST38h | wazd: We can all be computers for all you know |
| 20:12.59 | RST38h | or virii |
| 20:13.09 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: that's reversed chineese alphabet .) |
| 20:13.12 | RST38h | or a bunch of dogs jumping on the keyboards |
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| 20:14.13 | RST38h | just read "Blind Sight" by Peter Watts and feels like trashing consciousness for a bit |
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| 20:15.40 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: worth reading?) |
| 20:15.45 | Stskeeps | wonders why extras uploader requires a ssh key. |
| 20:16.20 | fnordianslip | Stskeeps: dput uses ssh |
| 20:16.21 | Stskeeps | well, extras assistant |
| 20:16.22 | RST38h | wazd: Yep, but removes last bits of faith into humans |
| 20:16.24 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: well yes |
| 20:16.27 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: but the web uploader? |
| 20:16.36 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: I need something to kill 8 hours) |
| 20:16.36 | fnordianslip | oh, fek knows |
| 20:16.49 | RST38h | wazd: I would recommend "The Muse of Fire" then |
| 20:16.58 | RST38h | wazd: email address? |
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| 20:18.47 | tstaerk|TV | Mek: my body is full of endorphines :) |
| 20:19.01 | Mek | tstaerk|TV: why? :) |
| 20:19.08 | tstaerk|TV | Mek: thanks to you - you gave me a hint how to compile on maemo |
| 20:19.08 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: drew.zhilin@gmail.com |
| 20:19.14 | tstaerk|TV | and it works :) |
| 20:19.18 | tstaerk|TV | thanks :) |
| 20:19.20 | Mek | tstaerk|TV: ah, nice :) |
| 20:19.26 | tstaerk|TV | the trick with qemu |
| 20:19.44 | tstaerk|TV | Mek: okay if I put this into my wiki? |
| 20:19.44 | RevdKathy | Sorry - sister has just had her pc repaired and she's even less competent than I - needed some support |
| 20:19.56 | Mek | tstaerk|TV: sure, of course that's fine |
| 20:20.14 | tstaerk|TV | that's all I wanted to say, bye :) |
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| 20:20.28 | RST38h | wazd: Done |
| 20:20.45 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: thanks |
| 20:20.57 | RST38h | wazd: let me know when/if you need more |
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| 20:24.19 | sshinobi | I'm trying to unpack a .deb file from a memory card onto the same memory card, and I keep getting the error: Unable to open/create status database lockfile: No space left on device. |
| 20:24.26 | sshinobi | I've got half a gig on the stick. |
| 20:24.33 | sshinobi | Or is it referring to my N800? |
| 20:24.50 | frals | need testers/voters for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fapn/0.5 please :) |
| 20:25.43 | sshinobi | Also, whenever I try to bring up my App manager, the operation keeps failing, and it says I have no packages installed. |
| 20:25.45 | ml-N900 | sshinobi: probably the N800, where the rootfs is located |
| 20:26.22 | sshinobi | ah... ok, that makes a bit more sense. What about my App Manager failing? |
| 20:26.27 | sshinobi | any way to fix that? |
| 20:26.50 | ml-N900 | same way you'd fix the other error |
| 20:27.02 | ml-N900 | free up space on your root partition |
| 20:27.13 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h: well, I'm definitely not diagonal reader, so I won't need something new for a while) |
| 20:27.36 | RST38h | wazd: A'ok =) |
| 20:27.50 | sshinobi | Forgive me, I'm rather new to linux. I'm not able to do that graphically, since my app manager was my only way of clearing up space. Can I do that from command line? |
| 20:27.52 | RST38h | You will probably like it then =) |
| 20:28.24 | sshinobi | or can I do it from file manager? |
| 20:29.15 | ml-N900 | sshinobi: I would take careful stock of what you did previously, and just reflash |
| 20:29.37 | ml-N900 | manually removing stuff is generally hazardous |
| 20:30.15 | sshinobi | most of my stuff is from the repository. So I can just reflash the OS and I'd be good? |
| 20:30.18 | angasuleN810 | sshinobi, try deleting some user guides, then apt-get clean, then the system should kind of work |
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| 20:30.57 | Stskeeps | A creative use of MADDE: A new way for theme makers to make themes for Maemo5: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/creative-use-of-madde-new-way-for-theme.html |
| 20:31.09 | Stskeeps | joppu, wazd_e63, AndrewFBlack-Wor ^ |
| 20:31.13 | ml-N900 | I haven't used the 8XX devices, so I can't help much on recovery of one |
| 20:31.16 | angasuleN810 | one of the first things I did was to move the system to the 2gb, 256mb is too small |
| 20:33.24 | sshinobi | weird, I just cleared up some space, and now my App manager is working fine. |
| 20:34.47 | ml-N900 | right |
| 20:35.27 | ml-N900 | it couldn't create a lockfile, so couldn't read the database |
| 20:35.37 | ml-N900 | not safely at least |
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| 20:35.48 | sshinobi | That makes sense. |
| 20:36.15 | sshinobi | Now, I'm trying to download another file, and before it even starts I get "Operation Failed". |
| 20:36.31 | ml-N900 | I imagine the issue is similar to the issues with space we have on the N900 |
| 20:37.01 | ml-N900 | probably ran out of space again |
| 20:37.08 | sshinobi | How much space is available on the device? I think I read somewhere 256 megs? |
| 20:38.12 | ml-N900 | the rootfs is 256MB, but apps are stored in /opt, which is on a 2GB partition on the 32GB device |
| 20:38.18 | Wolfie | off the top of my head, it's a 16gb device, of which 2gb is reserved for software |
| 20:38.34 | Wolfie | ml-N900: was that 32gb with or without memcard expansion? |
| 20:38.40 | ml-N900 | without |
| 20:38.49 | Wolfie | ok, my bad then. |
| 20:38.59 | ml-N900 | I have a 16GB sdhc card, for 48GB total |
| 20:39.55 | Wolfie | is it technically possible for a future firmware update to expand that 2gb to something bigger? |
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| 20:40.04 | angasuleN810 | 2gb is quite reasonable |
| 20:40.10 | cehteh | that doesnt need a firmware update |
| 20:40.23 | cehteh | just reparitioning |
| 20:40.25 | angasuleN810 | Wolfie, you could do it without much trouble, I guess |
| 20:40.27 | Wolfie | 2gb is pretty much. But 2 out of 46 is pretty puny :) |
| 20:40.39 | ml-N900 | Wolfie: not without risking user data |
| 20:40.52 | angasuleN810 | Wolfie, you won't be installing -dev stuff, I hope |
| 20:40.57 | angasuleN810 | or -debug |
| 20:40.58 | Wolfie | cehteh: i wouldn't trust myself nor mr. Murphy to do such a thing |
| 20:40.59 | ml-N900 | you could, manually though |
| 20:41.40 | Wolfie | *nod* |
| 20:41.41 | cehteh | Wolfie: backup before you do :P |
| 20:41.46 | Wolfie | naturally ;) |
| 20:41.58 | Wolfie | well, i'm not running out of those two gigs just yet. |
| 20:42.02 | angasuleN810 | Wolfie, you should always keep backups :-D |
| 20:42.11 | Wolfie | angasuleN810: should, yes :) |
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| 20:42.57 | Wolfie | i'm just a lost case when it comes to backups. I have trouble to remember backing up with Time Machine, and that's a lot said |
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| 20:43.11 | angasuleN810 | I guess word completion is more useful in suomi than english heh |
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| 20:43.36 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, "Currently you will need to generate a SSH key, I'm investigating why you need this to upload through the web." you don't need this, if you use the extras-uploader |
| 20:43.44 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: i thought so too |
| 20:43.57 | VDVsx | as described in your workflow |
| 20:44.11 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: i just went through the steps for extras assistant and it refused to let me pass on without a ssh key |
| 20:45.07 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, humm, strange, I think I never upload a ssh key and I can upload stuff, do you have your packages signed ? |
| 20:45.23 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: i haven't even signed anything yet.. |
| 20:45.26 | Stskeeps | sec, let me screenshot |
| 20:45.29 | zulo | hello, i've installed qt 4.6 tp2 on scratchbox after following the wiki instructions, but when I try to compile an example I get errors as "QMaemo5<Something>" not found. But I'm even using qmake from the tp folder, any idea how to fix this? thanks |
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| 20:48.35 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/extras.png |
| 20:49.31 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, ah, probably this changed or I don't remember, since it is a one time step :) |
| 20:50.22 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, anyway, is that key used for something ? :D |
| 20:50.42 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: well no, but asking a graphics designer to make a SSH key is like asking grandma to fix your blinking VCR |
| 20:50.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:50.55 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, true |
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| 20:51.39 | VDVsx | VDVsx, good article btw :) |
| 20:51.49 | apol | my n900 says I have to update but asks me to do from Nokia PC Suite (or smth like that). Can I do it from linux or OTA? |
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| 20:53.15 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: ta, even if you did applaud yourself ;) |
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| 20:53.44 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, lolol |
| 20:54.12 | ml-N900 | apol: did you do anything unusual to your packages/kernel? |
| 20:54.16 | Tusker | heya guys, I'm trying to get esbox2 working with vmware player, but it has trouble detecting that the VM is running, even though I can SSH to it etc |
| 20:54.24 | Tusker | any idea why this would be the case? |
| 20:54.25 | apol | ml-N900: nope |
| 20:55.17 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: that said, i think it would probably be possible to generate .dsc and tar.gz without too much hassle without MADDE. |
| 21:03.46 | Tusker | anyone here use esbox and vmware player ? |
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| 21:18.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok. definitely 1.0.1 didn,t fix the frontcam madness |
| 21:18.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | mirror still is like mondrian |
| 21:19.07 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 21:19.30 | SpeedEvil | what about a more recent kernel |
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| 21:19.51 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories |
| 21:19.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | more recent than todays's update? |
| 21:20.08 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer-8: 44-1 is not really an update |
| 21:20.11 | timeless_mbp | it's just a bridge |
| 21:20.16 | timeless_mbp | please don't expect it to fix *anything* |
| 21:20.18 | Undrwater | i feel like i'm in #openmoko |
| 21:20.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | k |
| 21:20.33 | timeless_mbp | Undrwater: do i want to know what that means? |
| 21:20.58 | Undrwater | timeless_mbp: just the folks here...frequent there too |
| 21:21.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I'm feelin kinda useless as a tester |
| 21:21.17 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer-8: are you playing w/ my strings? |
| 21:21.22 | timeless_mbp | they want testers |
| 21:21.31 | timeless_mbp | (and also suggestions to replace any longer string) |
| 21:21.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah now you almost got me |
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| 21:22.16 | Tusker | anyone here using esbox2 ? |
| 21:22.21 | timeless_mbp | only almost/ |
| 21:22.23 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 21:22.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | already couldn't refuse that tempation for twinklephone. for german though |
| 21:22.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | my english is really really poor |
| 21:22.50 | RST38h | "Exactly, 12,000 goats are teleported every second after a fresh reboot. TWELVE THOUSAND GOATS, people." |
| 21:24.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: gimme the number of your dealer please |
| 21:24.53 | Undrwater | RST38h: is that an acceptable collateral damage? |
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| 21:25.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | Undrwater: what,s wrong with #openmoko?? |
| 21:27.44 | RST38h | Doc: Gizmodo. |
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| 21:27.56 | jebba | SpeedEvil: my kernel is based on the identical source that nokia ships so i wont have a more recent mirror or anything |
| 21:28.17 | SpeedEvil | jebba: I was unsure. |
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| 21:28.28 | Stskeeps | jebba: random fact, my OBS built kernel modules insert fine into maemo kernel |
| 21:28.31 | SpeedEvil | jebba: ships and is on images - may not be the same |
| 21:28.40 | jebba | Stskeeps: OBS? |
| 21:28.47 | jebba | ah, suse build service |
| 21:29.02 | Stskeeps | (ubuntu toolchain) |
| 21:30.16 | jebba | Stskeeps: dunno if you saw it, but the latest kernel i did is "the whole kitchen sink"--cryptsetup (dmcrypt), NAT, IPv6, etc. |
| 21:30.23 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 21:30.23 | jebba | even RAID :) |
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| 21:30.31 | Stskeeps | in modules i presume |
| 21:30.55 | jebba | ya, RAID modules. The dmcrypt stuff i did statically should someone want to boot root fs encrypted |
| 21:30.59 | b-man17 | jebba: wow, nice :) |
| 21:31.05 | jebba | (which actually adds a TODO for me) |
| 21:32.26 | jebba | perhaps even in bootmenu or somewhere nearby a place to enter password to decrypt could be added. Unscrewing the keymap would be essential for that though. That thwarted me ;) |
| 21:33.15 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 21:34.39 | Stskeeps | we should start adding usb recovery to bootmenu |
| 21:34.46 | Stskeeps | it was so bloody handy on n8x0 |
| 21:34.58 | b-man17 | indeed |
| 21:35.24 | jebba | only think i can think of for recovery is to boot into Mer then fix from there. |
| 21:35.52 | Stskeeps | jebba: nah, utelnetd before anything starts in maemo5 is very handy too |
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| 21:36.08 | jebba | i'm not sure about the keymap. Fixing it with console-tools may be easier than in the kernel, but if it's not in the kernel, its not available "real" early. |
| 21:36.18 | jebba | oh ya, i'd take that too ;) |
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| 21:36.51 | BluesLee | how can i filter those installed apps from the extras-devel repo? |
| 21:36.51 | Stskeeps | did we figure out how to use g_nokia for usbnet yeT? |
| 21:37.27 | jebba | Stskeeps: can you give me a hint which file mounts the NAND in mer? |
| 21:37.39 | Stskeeps | jebba: it doesn't :) |
| 21:37.47 | Stskeeps | jebba: bootmenu pivot roots / to /mnt/initfs |
| 21:38.08 | jebba | Stskeeps: ah, i put it in there, but then i thought i saw some comment from you along the lines of "lesson learned today, netconsole doesn't work and no gadget or somesuch" |
| 21:38.38 | Stskeeps | jebba: netconsole requires a interface that can be polled and g_serial doesn't work as a console= |
| 21:38.48 | Stskeeps | so we can't use netconsole over g_ether |
| 21:38.50 | jebba | g_ether ? |
| 21:38.57 | Stskeeps | usbnet |
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| 21:40.09 | Stskeeps | and we can't point kernel to spit out kernel output / default console on g_serial (serial gadget) |
| 21:40.32 | lupine_85 | ho de hum, nokia are remarkably EULA-tastic |
| 21:40.48 | Stskeeps | lupine_85: could be worse |
| 21:40.51 | lupine_85 | all I wanted was a compiler :D |
| 21:41.09 | lupine_85 | Stskeeps: indeed, they could be violating GPL, like another manufacturer I know |
| 21:41.38 | RevdKathy | Sorry I crashed out onto the phone (blooming sister and her pc) - we must continue another night |
| 21:41.41 | Stskeeps | lupine_85: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 :P |
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| 21:41.50 | lupine_85 | heh. I'm grabbing the SDK |
| 21:41.51 | RevdKathy | I am taking my stuffy nose and cough to a warm bed |
| 21:41.54 | Stskeeps | RevdKathy: IRC is all about idlin' |
| 21:41.58 | RevdKathy | 'night all! |
| 21:42.15 | RevdKathy | yeah - I like it in here - feels companionals Stskeeps |
| 21:42.18 | lupine_85 | (and I'm a little annoyed that it insists on installing in /) |
| 21:42.33 | Stskeeps | if you're annoyed at it now, wait till you have to use it |
| 21:42.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:42.36 | lupine_85 | speaking of which - anyone know how likely the phone is to crash and burn if I change my user to lupine ? |
| 21:42.42 | jebba | hmm, Stskeeps idea on how to mount the root fs in Mer then? I must be out of it right now cuz i thought it was there. |
| 21:42.43 | Stskeeps | quite |
| 21:42.46 | lupine_85 | it'd make my sshing life easier |
| 21:42.55 | Stskeeps | jebba: root fs being maemo5 rootfs? |
| 21:43.04 | lupine_85 | (also, everything seems to be chmod'ed 777 - wtf?)# |
| 21:43.18 | jebba | lupine_85: put something in your ~/.ssh you will regret changing username from what ive heard of some packaging tricks people want to do. Or at least leave a symlink.... |
| 21:43.22 | jebba | Stskeeps: ya |
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| 21:43.31 | Stskeeps | jebba: did you have a mnt/initfs dir in your mer rootfs? |
| 21:43.36 | jebba | lupine_85: VFAT permissions don't barely exist |
| 21:43.47 | jebba | Stskeeps: ya, that's why i thought it was there. |
| 21:43.51 | lupine_85 | ....it's VFAT? |
| 21:43.56 | lupine_85 | checks |
| 21:44.02 | jebba | lupine_85: ~user/MyDocs is |
| 21:44.18 | Stskeeps | jebba: hmmm |
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| 21:44.24 | Stskeeps | jebba: that's kinda weird |
| 21:44.30 | jebba | ah, so it's mounting that at the initial boot? lemme boot into it and see wtf 1 sec sry |
| 21:44.41 | Stskeeps | at the very first time it mounts to boot |
| 21:44.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:44.45 | lupine_85 | well, that's unimportant |
| 21:45.47 | jebba | I like how the indexer/thumbnailers like to index all of Mer too gah. |
| 21:46.18 | lupine_85 | ah, permissions on / are correct |
| 21:46.23 | lupine_85 | it's just /home that's borked |
| 21:46.31 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:46.47 | ljp | ermmm.. sorry. wrong window :) |
| 21:46.48 | lupine_85 | (and to anyone considering clever packaging tricks that break a standard linux install, I will hunt you down and kill you) |
| 21:46.55 | jebba | doh, forgot to put in R&D mode.... Didn't you say you had a workaround for that now? |
| 21:47.10 | lupine_85 | and enjoy it, too |
| 21:47.48 | lupine_85 | is kind of hoping to be able to create multiple users and add a password screen, ftw |
| 21:48.37 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, emailed Sygic about not abusing the maemo.org logo and never got a reply. |
| 21:49.38 | jebba | lupine_85: have you seen /opt yet? heh |
| 21:50.33 | lupine_85 | I'm not sure I want to... |
| 21:50.36 | lupine_85 | looks |
| 21:51.20 | jebba | you're gonna love this one. |
| 21:51.49 | jebba | lupine_85: search for "optification". It will take a week or two to recover. |
| 21:51.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | hands a M134D to lupine_85 for hunting purposes |
| 21:53.18 | lupine_85 | that is pretty nasty |
| 21:53.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 21:53.37 | lupine_85 | so when they say it's linux, they mean, it's a bunch of crap hacked on top of linux ;) |
| 21:53.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | euphemism of the week |
| 21:54.37 | jebba | lupine_85: oh, it's definitely linux, but it's got a lot of cruft to hold it all together mixed with some decisions that weren't very sound (e.g. optification being the worst). And some key closed bits. |
| 21:55.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | lupine_85: seems developing for small devices (with twice the power of my last laptop) is a general absolutionfor those hacks |
| 21:55.31 | lupine_85 | I think. I really really think. They need better linux engineers |
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| 21:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | lupine_85, their Linux engineers are plenty competent. |
| 21:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | lupine_85, blame managers. |
| 21:56.08 | lupine_85 | I guess they never heard of unionfs |
| 21:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | lupine_85, actually, they have. |
| 21:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | lupine_85, but there wasn't time to integrate it. |
| 21:56.36 | lupine_85 | scary |
| 21:56.42 | jebba | a manager decided for optification? hmm. Would be interesting to look at the old threads |
| 21:56.52 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, speaking generally. :) |
| 21:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | shouldn't jump in on an emotional issue, anyway. |
| 21:57.08 | jebba | GeneralAntilles: any idea what timeframe this was discussed? on maemo-devel? |
| 21:57.15 | lupine_85 | see, a manager who decides between optification and unionfs isn't a manager in my view, he's an engineer who happens to manage engineers too |
| 21:57.24 | GeneralAntilles | lupine_85, nevermind. |
| 21:57.27 | lupine_85 | that, or meddling in stuff s/he has no business meddling in |
| 21:57.35 | Stskeeps | lupine_85: unionfs is shit when dealing when debian like systems |
| 21:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | "they" is the pronoun you're looking for. :) |
| 21:57.42 | Stskeeps | after a couple of SSU's, most of the stuff would be outside unionfs |
| 21:57.46 | Stskeeps | err, the nand |
| 21:57.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, 1985 Siemens managers decided we (the engineers) had to do the whole fab CIM in COBOL |
| 21:58.29 | lupine_85 | well, I'm assuming they need to keep their core firmware gubbins somewhere physically separate to installable stuff, hence why using optification/unionfs at all |
| 21:58.48 | lupine_85 | TBH neither would be my first choice for any system |
| 21:59.26 | Macer | why is linux so strange with the fonts in X? |
| 21:59.39 | lupine_85 | still, I wasn't around for the discussions, so I don't know the rationale |
| 21:59.41 | Macer | ms imperialism? :) |
| 22:00.29 | Stskeeps | we pretty much all agree /opt is shit but there's no better setup at short warning |
| 22:01.04 | Stskeeps | we discussed it in amsterdam too, interesting workshop |
| 22:01.04 | lupine_85 | was maemo 4 the same? |
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| 22:01.16 | Jef91 | Afternoon all |
| 22:01.17 | Stskeeps | people just cloned to SD when they ran out of space, end of story |
| 22:01.49 | Stskeeps | you can't expect 'normal' people to do that though |
| 22:01.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas doing it right (like have a eparate opt partition) will break the upgradeability of the current system |
| 22:01.59 | Jef91 | Anyone else here have performance issues with VGBA emulator on the N900? |
| 22:02.18 | lupine_85 | well, as long as they're still debs, it's upgradable |
| 22:03.02 | lupine_85 | TBH, LFS isn't a /great/ match for anything with limited root storage and a need to install loads of user applications |
| 22:03.08 | lupine_85 | erm, FHS |
| 22:03.54 | Jef91 | My n900 just powered down with it was charging... >.< |
| 22:04.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | FHS yeah. What? FHS? never heard |
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| 22:04.43 | lupine_85 | interesting that it's using 60MB swap already |
| 22:04.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | Jef91: then evidentally it was NOT charging, no? Did it *tell* it's charging? |
| 22:05.18 | Jef91 | DocScrutinizer51 Yep. |
| 22:06.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | Jef91: so it,s not been a reboot? |
| 22:06.44 | red | Jef91: you can use more power than the charging output is |
| 22:06.51 | red | I know by experience :p |
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| 22:07.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm when using a usb host then yes |
| 22:07.34 | Jef91 | red - I figured thats what it was (its just charging via USB) |
| 22:07.41 | Jef91 | Turned my 3g off thehehe |
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| 22:07.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise (wallcharger) hardly i guess |
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| 22:08.20 | red | havent gotten a powerdown with wallcharger |
| 22:08.32 | red | but having my phone tethered on laptop and torrents running on laptop |
| 22:08.42 | red | plus watching a videos from n900 for couple hours |
| 22:08.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol. easily |
| 22:08.50 | red | and battery starts screaming :) |
| 22:08.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 22:09.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~hail usb-charging |
| 22:09.17 | infobot | ACTION bows down to usb-charging and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 22:09.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | also invented by managers |
| 22:10.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | they honestly requested to extend that nonsense to laptops - muhahaha |
| 22:10.52 | Jef91 | Now if only we could hot swap batteries... |
| 22:11.16 | Jef91 | its kinda funny - I'm no where near an outlet right now so I have my netbook out running off battery just to charge my phone... |
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| 22:12.19 | lupine_85 | gets confused by the sdk installerater |
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| 22:12.26 | lupine_85 | doesn't seem to make use of the apt cache :/ |
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| 22:15.00 | Jef91 | When I run dpkg-buildpackage - where is the name of the package defined that is created? |
| 22:15.52 | Anidel | it gets it from the debian/changelog file |
| 22:16.05 | Stskeeps | no, debian/control |
| 22:16.30 | lupine_85 | I'm going to have to reboot for this vdso32 thing, aren't i... |
| 22:16.49 | jaem | lupine_85, yes |
| 22:17.06 | Anidel | I thought he was asking the filename (.deb) that's been created |
| 22:17.42 | lupine_85 | oh well, away we go |
| 22:17.50 | Anidel | the version's taken from the changelog, but the actual package name is from the control file |
| 22:19.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | vdso32? |
| 22:20.08 | jaem | DocScrutinizer51, I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it's a kernel option for 64-bit systems that has to be enabled for sbox to work |
| 22:20.24 | jebba | lupine_85: there is a way to get around it, but anyway.. |
| 22:20.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah devel |
| 22:20.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | jaem: thanks |
| 22:21.16 | apol | my n900 crashed while dist-upgrade -.- what should i do to fix? :( |
| 22:21.34 | apol | it's vibrating from time to time :S |
| 22:21.45 | frals | uh dist-upgrade |
| 22:22.09 | frals | i heard thats a pretty good way to "brick" it, i could be wrong thou |
| 22:22.18 | jaem | gah... stupid voicemail |
| 22:22.34 | apol | great -.- |
| 22:22.36 | jaem | my uni Residence has a PBX that our phones all run through, and I guess they wanted to be "intuitive" |
| 22:22.48 | apol | frals: so should I flash it or what? |
| 22:22.57 | jaem | so all the options are the letter that the word starts with instead of just "press 1 for foo, 2 for bar", etc |
| 22:23.08 | jaem | it's annoying as heck |
| 22:23.49 | frals | i dunno, i'm fairly certain a flash would solve it, but i'm not sure its necessary, someone else might have a solution for you :) |
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| 22:24.21 | jaem | apol, what do you mean by "crashed"? Spontaneously powered off/rebooted? or something else? |
| 22:25.10 | apol | jaem: black screen, ssh connexion broken while updating xorg |
| 22:25.12 | apol | -.- |
| 22:25.15 | jaem | eep |
| 22:25.36 | jaem | so now it's just doing the power-on/vibra/logo/power-off loop, or what? |
| 22:26.02 | apol | jaem: yes |
| 22:26.12 | jaem | hmm |
| 22:26.25 | jaem | yeah, sounds like you'll need a reflash to me |
| 22:26.48 | jaem | the data in your $HOME theoretically should be fine |
| 22:26.51 | apol | jaem: can i reflash without windows? |
| 22:27.01 | jaem | yes, but there's no pretty GUI for it |
| 22:27.05 | jaem | check the wiki |
| 22:27.22 | lupine_85 | that was 'fun' |
| 22:27.22 | lupine_85 | forget my pc is also a bridge and a router these days |
| 22:27.33 | jaem | it's actually substantially less painful than NSU if you know what you're doing :P |
| 22:27.37 | jaem | lupine_85, *oops* |
| 22:28.09 | lupine_85 | not so bad |
| 22:28.15 | lupine_85 | grrr, no config.gz? |
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| 22:29.45 | SouBE | gosh, bricked N900 |
| 22:29.53 | apol | SouBE: me too |
| 22:30.05 | ifreq | how did you manage? |
| 22:30.06 | Anidel | jaem thanks for the post in the thread |
| 22:30.18 | SouBE | is there any way to boot in root shell? |
| 22:30.22 | jaem | Anidel, no problem ;) |
| 22:30.35 | SouBE | i wish maemo had grub2 =) |
| 22:30.42 | jaem | Anidel, by the way, did you see what I meant now? |
| 22:30.42 | Anidel | :) |
| 22:30.49 | jaem | I had a hard time expressing it for some reason |
| 22:31.21 | Anidel | yep.. but still I don't see the diff between what you ask and a fixed amount .. I am not sure it can be done on a per "sheet bg"-basis |
| 22:31.44 | jaem | Anidel, if it's a technical issue, I understand |
| 22:32.16 | Anidel | yup :) but the "fixed amount" would be defined in the Xournal config file |
| 22:32.19 | Anidel | so at least... |
| 22:32.27 | Anidel | there's some degree of personalization... |
| 22:32.28 | jaem | the difference, as I said, is that right now it's arbitrary - so to scroll by a unit of text (e.g. a line), you end up just mashing the arrow key until it looks right |
| 22:32.45 | Anidel | may be I can hack in a widget to change it.. we'll see .. as usual :) |
| 22:32.46 | jaem | if you could make it so it actually knew the line height, then the user wouldn't have to think about it |
| 22:33.00 | jaem | they could just *click* and have more space to write |
| 22:33.03 | Anidel | yup.. but so far the bg is just an image |
| 22:33.04 | jaem | heh, fair enough |
| 22:33.09 | jaem | ah, I didn't realize |
| 22:33.27 | jaem | well, in that case, couldn't you just calculate it from the zoom level, then? |
| 22:33.36 | Anidel | but I think I can add support for smart backgrounds |
| 22:33.37 | jaem | not a /good/ solution overall, but it should work, no? |
| 22:33.43 | jaem | that would be even better |
| 22:33.58 | Anidel | where smart is an xml with the pixmap and some info related to the bg itself |
| 22:34.02 | jaem | nice |
| 22:34.03 | Anidel | like line height |
| 22:34.15 | Anidel | I'll keep this in mind.. |
| 22:34.34 | jaem | thanks :) |
| 22:34.41 | mj_ | hi all, question, since there are lots of apps in the iphone that use 'PUSH' such as an ebay alerts app, do N900/Maemo apps have ability to recieve PUSH alerts as well? |
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| 22:35.07 | mj_ | I am guessing it is just a matter of, if some one makes an app that uses it? |
| 22:35.13 | lupine_85 | depends on the push technology, I guess |
| 22:35.17 | jaek | so after i flash the device, why does it keep the home partition (or at least /home/opt/)? |
| 22:35.25 | jaek | should i wipe out /home/opt myself? |
| 22:35.25 | lupine_85 | it's full of jabber, for instance |
| 22:35.32 | jaem | by the way, not a criticism, but I didn't notice much performance improvement over the N810. I would have expected it to be a bit better out of the box |
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| 22:35.38 | jaem | is that just optimization that needs to be done? |
| 22:35.50 | lupine_85 | does the maemo5 update |
| 22:36.04 | Anidel | jaem: xournal? |
| 22:36.08 | jaem | Anidel, yes |
| 22:36.11 | gouverneur | Anidel: how is the camera-to-grab-bg feature doing? |
| 22:36.21 | jaem | ...given that the N900 is much faster |
| 22:36.36 | jaem | I'm just curious, as I said |
| 22:36.45 | Anidel | jaem the code is the same.. no idea why it doesn't feel faster.. actually. how can it be faster.. it's you writing :) |
| 22:36.48 | mj_ | lupine_85: thanks |
| 22:36.54 | jaem | Anidel, I meant "responsive", I guess |
| 22:36.56 | Anidel | gouverneur, nothing.. I'm still completing the UI refinements |
| 22:37.15 | jaem | then again, come to think of it, the page size was rather larger than the last time I tried it on the N810 |
| 22:37.21 | jaem | that's probably why |
| 22:37.31 | jaem | 4 slides vs 1 Letter page :P |
| 22:37.35 | Anidel | jaem, it looks to me.. but can't compare straight away.. mind also that Xournal uses some old GTK.. may be needs some optimization.. |
| 22:37.42 | jaem | how much does it keep in memory at a time? |
| 22:37.44 | jaem | nods |
| 22:37.54 | gouverneur | ah so no further feature work atm... looks good so far what are the issues with the UI |
| 22:37.59 | lupine_85 | wonder if their browser will get WebSockets at any point |
| 22:38.04 | Anidel | and for now I only ported it.. it could use some optimization |
| 22:38.10 | lupine_85 | hates on Comet |
| 22:38.21 | Anidel | gouverneur, yeah the UI is the reason why there's suck a lack of features |
| 22:38.32 | Anidel | they are all there in the code.. but missing a way to enable them |
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| 22:38.59 | Anidel | in Barcelona we found a nice way to bring back many features if not all |
| 22:39.08 | Anidel | and i am doing that atm.. but slow :( |
| 22:39.17 | jaem | Anidel, do you mean the "next-gen UI" that you were showing? |
| 22:39.27 | kynky | webkit supports websockets i thought, and im sure fennec will |
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| 22:39.30 | Anidel | jaem, I wish :) that'll probably come with Maemo 6 |
| 22:39.37 | jaem | heh, fair enough |
| 22:39.39 | jaem | it's nice as-is |
| 22:39.41 | gouverneur | uhh that sounds bad |
| 22:39.43 | Anidel | jaem, hopefully it'll be easier with Qt |
| 22:39.43 | jaem | that would be awesome, though |
| 22:40.23 | Anidel | jaem, indeed! Patricia did a very nice work.. and now offscr made this Blackboard Lite that looks nicer than Xournal :D |
| 22:40.48 | jaem | hmm... I may have to look at that, if you think it's good :P |
| 22:40.51 | jaem | but I do like Xournal |
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| 22:41.19 | lupine_85 | oh, while I'm moaning, the N900 stylus is crap |
| 22:41.31 | lupine_85 | compare it to a HTC one, you'll see what I mean :) |
| 22:41.37 | gouverneur | lupine_85: got a lamy 747... |
| 22:41.44 | Anidel | uhm I just had a nice idea about how to get one slot back in the toolbar |
| 22:41.44 | jaem | lupine_85, it's better than Palm, anyway |
| 22:41.49 | jaem | which is all I have to compare it to |
| 22:41.52 | jaem | Anidel, do tell |
| 22:42.09 | SouBE_ | beware, don't install AdBlock Plus from App. manager and then remove it from MicroB's add-on manager. this will brick your N900 |
| 22:42.13 | lupine_85 | ooh, up to kernel 2.6.28 |
| 22:42.24 | Anidel | jaem: when you tap the pen icon, it just highlights.. what about using that icon as a toggle between Pen and Eraser... |
| 22:42.34 | jaem | hmm |
| 22:42.38 | Anidel | tap Pen and you can write.. the icon shows eraser |
| 22:42.45 | Anidel | tap again, you erase, the icon show pen |
| 22:42.52 | jaem | that sounds like it could work. If you can punch out a test build, I can give you feedback in terms of usability |
| 22:42.56 | Anidel | needs a way to indicate you can write or erase.. mmm |
| 22:43.26 | Anidel | maybe the icons just need to be clear |
| 22:43.26 | Anidel | they are big enough |
| 22:43.30 | jaem | is there enough space to split the icon, and then highlight either tool? |
| 22:43.33 | Anidel | to show that you can write and if you tap you get the eraser |
| 22:43.33 | jaem | probably a bad idea |
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| 22:43.43 | Anidel | something like that.. |
| 22:44.24 | GeneralAntilles | I can't believe nobody brought out R&D mode for that stupid Do you want INSTALL FROM FILE back?!?!? thread. |
| 22:44.44 | lupine_85 | tries to visualise MDI + maemo |
| 22:44.45 | Anidel | not sure I need that in Xournal though.. you can switch say to Hand tool.. what happens if you want to go back there? keep it at last tool? toggle? mm.. need to think |
| 22:44.56 | jaem | nods |
| 22:45.15 | gouverneur | or you make it an indicator flashing for 500ms for any tool to choose |
| 22:45.23 | Anidel | needs to also pack the other icon set |
| 22:45.29 | Anidel | and make my own standard one |
| 22:45.34 | Anidel | 'default' one |
| 22:45.45 | jaem | does Maemo (or its HIG) support the drop-down buttons (e.g click and drag down/up) |
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| 22:45.48 | Anidel | gouverneur, yup.. also... |
| 22:46.29 | Anidel | I am also thinking about splitting the toolbar in two vertical ones.. like the nextgen-ui |
| 22:46.41 | Anidel | but in GTK visual :) not that fancy one |
| 22:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is trying to "lock us out". Some people. . . . |
| 22:47.05 | Anidel | anyway.. just brainstormining |
| 22:47.24 | jon1012 | yeah, about that, how to enable red pill mode in new maemo ? |
| 22:47.38 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, what's going on? I saw the thread.. but I can't follow talk that often anymore :( |
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| 22:48.02 | GeneralAntilles | Anidel, just a bunch of trolls and idiots being trolls and idiots together about Red Pill and root not shipping enabled out of the box. |
| 22:48.17 | jebba | GAH. So the stupid SDK install script reads at the top "This is proprietary software owned by Nokia Corporation." It's just some lame thing that grabs the SDK from their site and untars it, in some. So i can't even modify it to point at my own local repo? |
| 22:48.28 | jebba | s/some/sum/ |
| 22:48.38 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, ah usual.. why are you still caring :) |
| 22:48.43 | jebba | haha, bot got that wrong anyway. |
| 22:48.51 | gouverneur | my camera got a button to show the onscreen menus... what about to hide the toolbar at all and make the popup button the indicator for the tool |
| 22:48.52 | Anunakin | GeneralAntilles: huhauahuhauhuahuhuahuhau |
| 22:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | Anidel, because the useful people trying to contribute to the thread missed the important fact that R&D mode is a thing. |
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| 22:50.17 | Anidel | so they removed update-icon-cache.. now all my new apps have the blue square icon.. nice :( |
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| 22:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | Anidel, yeah, how's that supposed to work, exactly |
| 22:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 22:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | Reboot? |
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| 22:51.03 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, explain it to them.. i'm sure you're doing it :) |
| 22:51.13 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, if you reboot, you get the icons back |
| 22:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, what runs on reboot to grab the icons? |
| 22:51.39 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, before it was enough to install a new one and only the last one would be iconless |
| 22:51.50 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, actually.. yesterday after a bit some of them were there.. |
| 22:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Most postinsts were running gtk-update-icon-cache, right? |
| 22:52.01 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, not sure what happened.. if just time or not.. |
| 22:52.06 | Anidel | yep.. now is a no-op |
| 22:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | There's no icon cache. |
| 22:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | So how's h-d grabbing the icons? |
| 22:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | is clueless with GTK. |
| 22:52.57 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, I don't know now how it works... |
| 22:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/01/good-start-for-2010.html |
| 22:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . |
| 22:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | Comment 2 is classic. |
| 22:54.20 | Ave | it really is |
| 22:54.22 | Ave | but I guess the guy has better things to do than hang around with some smelly hippies |
| 22:54.44 | jon1012 | how do I activate red pill mode in new firmware ? |
| 22:54.59 | jon1012 | someone knows ? |
| 22:55.07 | Anidel | and of course he's Anonymous :) |
| 22:55.22 | Mozillion | I've read red pill is no longer available |
| 22:55.23 | SouBE | I've no idea how to debrick N900.. so is there some sort of a recovery console available or do I need to reprogram flash memory? |
| 22:55.42 | Anidel | well he works 100% time on Maemo.. surely he has more karma than say Quim? or at least as much |
| 22:55.45 | jon1012 | I really hope apt-get is still available, and will still be available in the future |
| 22:56.08 | jebba | SouBE: why do you need to debrick= |
| 22:56.16 | jon1012 | nokia seems to be trying to lock maemo... |
| 22:56.18 | jebba | jon1012: apt-get aint going away i wouldnt think. |
| 22:56.19 | jon1012 | :( |
| 22:56.21 | andre__ | jon1012, red pill has gone |
| 22:56.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ave, yeah, I'd bet so. ;) |
| 22:56.25 | Anidel | looks like Quim's back :) |
| 22:56.25 | Mozillion | of course apt-get is available |
| 22:56.33 | andre__ | jon1012: trying to lock? why? |
| 22:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | SouBE, define "brick". |
| 22:56.40 | jon1012 | yeah but if they removed red pill, next step is to remove apt-get cli |
| 22:56.42 | Mozillion | it's just that red pill allowed for installing debs without missing depends, I believe |
| 22:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | jon1012, pffft. |
| 22:56.56 | Mozillion | with missing* |
| 22:57.05 | Mozillion | nah, it'll be fine! |
| 22:57.06 | Mozillion | gn all |
| 22:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | jon1012, then they have no package management. |
| 22:57.21 | GeneralAntilles | jon1012, please end the lame conspiracy theories. |
| 22:57.24 | Mozillion | I like PR1.0.1... my n900 is so much more snappier with the new kernel |
| 22:57.40 | jon1012 | GeneralAntilles: using api and no cli apps... and only package manager |
| 22:57.43 | andre__ | jon1012, of course apt-get will be available in the future |
| 22:57.48 | jon1012 | I hope so |
| 22:57.49 | jaem | jon1012, like they said, red pill lets people do dumb things if they don't know what they're doing |
| 22:57.56 | andre__ | jon1012, and if not you could still install it. come on. |
| 22:57.59 | SouBE | jebba , GeneralAntilles: N900 freezes while booting. it shows animated dots and then stops animation. |
| 22:58.06 | jon1012 | but how to release an app as a deb then ? |
| 22:58.07 | jaem | the assumption being that if you know enough to use apt-get, you probably know what you're getting into |
| 22:58.11 | jon1012 | without having a repo |
| 22:58.17 | jaem | if you don't, then you probably shouldn't be messing with it anyway |
| 22:58.27 | jon1012 | you can't tell people to install your deb using app manager |
| 22:58.31 | jon1012 | without red pill |
| 22:58.33 | jebba | SouBE: at second dot? |
| 22:58.51 | GeneralAntilles | SouBE, so, not bricked. |
| 22:58.54 | GeneralAntilles | SouBE, |
| 22:58.55 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 22:58.56 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | jon1012, you shouldn't be passing .debs around through anything but a repo. |
| 22:59.24 | SouBE | jebba: yes, at the second dot |
| 22:59.32 | jebba | GeneralAntilles: he doesn't need to reflash |
| 22:59.33 | Mozillion | indeed |
| 22:59.44 | Mozillion | as debian-devel that just feels dirty! |
| 22:59.44 | jon1012 | GeneralAntilles: why ? sometimes it is handy to just send a .deb |
| 22:59.45 | jebba | SouBE: read this: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Flash |
| 22:59.51 | Mozillion | oof :) |
| 22:59.56 | jebba | jon1012: then use dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 22:59.57 | Mozillion | gotta shower |
| 23:00.01 | jaem | jon1012, dependencies, for one |
| 23:00.07 | jaem | and it's just more messy than a repo |
| 23:00.13 | jaem | repos are there for a reason |
| 23:00.16 | jon1012 | jaem: deps are handled when installing a .deb |
| 23:00.17 | Anidel | GeneralAntilles, http://share.ovi.com/media/anidel.n900/anidel.10193 |
| 23:00.27 | jaem | if you *can't* use them, that's one thing, but they're always rpeferable |
| 23:00.34 | jaem | jon1012, not automagically, with dpkg |
| 23:00.40 | jon1012 | jaem: with red pill it wad |
| 23:00.42 | jon1012 | was* |
| 23:00.47 | jon1012 | and that was a good thing |
| 23:00.49 | jaem | jon1012, ah, yes, but that's through HAM |
| 23:00.53 | jaem | well, in and of itself, yes |
| 23:01.00 | jaem | but there were problems, as we've been saying |
| 23:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | jon1012, Red Pill didn't handle dependencies for debs. |
| 23:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, can you please move some of that info out of your userspace? |
| 23:01.23 | jaem | GeneralAntilles, oh, I forgot |
| 23:01.24 | jaem | sorry |
| 23:01.41 | jebba | GeneralAntilles: go ahead if you want. |
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| 23:02.17 | jebba | top of my main page: "Feel free to take any of these pages and copy them over to the main wiki namespace (here or in any other wiki, for that matter)." |
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| 23:07.41 | Remosi | A friend of mine made an RSS feed that shows new/updated packages as they enter a repository, such as "maemo extras" http://packages.portal.net.nz/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/ if anyone's interested. |
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| 23:09.38 | jebba | Remosi: nice |
| 23:09.38 | lupine_86 | sigh, relegated to irssi |
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| 23:10.22 | Remosi | jebba, you get RSS feeds that tell you when things enter extras-devel but you really don't want to put that on your phone.... So knowing if/when apps hit extras itself is quite handy |
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| 23:11.08 | jebba | Remosi: so it does extras, extras-devel, extras-testing? (real slow for me to look right now on my end) |
| 23:11.09 | Remosi | it'll do any repository you tell it to |
| 23:11.09 | Remosi | the link I posted was just for extras |
| 23:11.19 | Remosi | and yeah, I suspect it's really slow, esp for repositories it's never seen before |
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| 23:12.16 | jebba | ah, ok. Cool. Any repo. Would be nice if it included the .changes file too |
| 23:12.57 | gorio | hi guys... i bougth an N900 and id like to know how to enable the accelerometer.. |
| 23:13.09 | jon1012 | gorio: how to enable ? |
| 23:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, apparently Mer voids your warranty. http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=maemo&message.id=2898#M2898 :rolleyes: |
| 23:14.27 | gorio | yes |
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| 23:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | gorio, as an application developer or as a user? :) |
| 23:14.59 | ds3 | oh no! |
| 23:15.02 | andre__ | gorio, like when writing code? |
| 23:15.10 | gorio | user |
| 23:15.19 | mrmg | gorio: landscape only |
| 23:15.22 | gorio | i a new user |
| 23:15.26 | GeneralAntilles | gorio, the accelerometer is enabled. |
| 23:15.29 | andre__ | gorio, take an app that uses it :) |
| 23:15.37 | mrmg | only phone app is portrait |
| 23:15.37 | gorio | where ? |
| 23:16.10 | andre__ | gorio, what exactly do you want to see? |
| 23:16.10 | gorio | andre__ where can i get an app to test ? |
| 23:16.15 | mrmg | Bounce |
| 23:16.19 | andre__ | install Bounce for example |
| 23:16.22 | gorio | i saw a video about a flight simulation |
| 23:16.27 | andre__ | or aptitude |
| 23:16.30 | andre__ | err sorry |
| 23:16.31 | gorio | yes |
| 23:16.32 | andre__ | attitude I mean |
| 23:16.38 | gorio | this is |
| 23:16.45 | gorio | where can i get it ? |
| 23:17.03 | mrmg | package manager |
| 23:17.10 | mrmg | application manager |
| 23:17.12 | andre__ | gorio, aptitude in application manager. bounce in ovi store I think |
| 23:17.22 | andre__ | arrrgh. I mean "attitude", not "aptitude". |
| 23:17.25 | mrmg | bounce is in extras |
| 23:17.31 | andre__ | I think Bounce moved |
| 23:17.37 | mrmg | ah, okies |
| 23:17.39 | gorio | i'll try |
| 23:17.44 | mrmg | ovi is live now? |
| 23:17.46 | andre__ | see bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7316 |
| 23:17.47 | povbot` | Bug 7316: Bounce is not available anymore in any repository |
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| 23:18.14 | mrmg | my 2gig download of the maemo sdk images failed. sigh :-( |
| 23:19.21 | jebba | 2gig? |
| 23:19.44 | mrmg | yeh |
| 23:19.54 | [Tycho] | Does anyone have virtual machine image with SDK for n770 ? |
| 23:20.02 | mrmg | Maemo_PreFinal_2_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Splitted.zip.001/002 |
| 23:20.55 | andre__ | mrmg, why prefinal 2? |
| 23:21.03 | andre__ | wonders what that means actually |
| 23:21.21 | mrmg | andre__: that was the newest |
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| 23:21.57 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, RC2. |
| 23:23.19 | andre__ | mrmg, but Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Splitted.zip.001/002 exists |
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| 23:23.57 | andre__ | mrmg: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 23:24.46 | SouBE | jebba: thanks! it booted in rd-mode and i managed to get rid of malfunctioning browser add-on :) |
| 23:25.10 | andre__ | SouBE, out of curiousity, which add-on was that? |
| 23:25.16 | mrmg | andre__: Maemo PreFinal Fremantle Beta 2 and Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 Desktop Part 1 |
| 23:25.27 | SouBE | andre__: AdBlock Plus |
| 23:25.32 | mrmg | that's beta, pre-final is better? |
| 23:25.36 | andre__ | SouBE, ah |
| 23:25.46 | andre__ | mrmg, I'd say it's final because it does not say anything |
| 23:26.06 | andre__ | mrmg, but I'm not totally sure |
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| 23:26.13 | mrmg | andre__: on the right hand side? |
| 23:26.23 | andre__ | mrmg, ah. darn. I see it now. |
| 23:26.28 | mrmg | hehe |
| 23:26.35 | andre__ | mrmg, you're totally right, yours seems to be the latest. sorry. |
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| 23:27.03 | mrmg | no probs |
| 23:27.15 | Arkenoi | just checked again. still no firmware update for me, wtf? |
| 23:27.20 | mrmg | and now I gotta download it again anyway. |
| 23:27.42 | frals | so err.. did anyone else lose their "Synchronization" widget in the statusbar after 44-1? |
| 23:29.38 | andre__ | Arkenoi: sounds like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7858 . feel free to add a comment there, please |
| 23:29.39 | povbot` | Bug 7858: cant see 1.2009.44-1 software update |
| 23:33.11 | frals | nvm, reboot brought it back, probably me doing something bad(tm) |
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| 23:43.26 | lardman|home | marvels at the wonders of the council and the fact that a fairly major route (hill) is now covered in snow with not a gritter in sight |
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| 23:43.49 | SpeedEvil | The grey council? |
| 23:43.59 | SpeedEvil | Snow all melting here. |
| 23:44.09 | SpeedEvil | My inner 5 year-old mourns. |
| 23:44.31 | lardman|home | in Bath, been snowing for a couple of hours now |
| 23:44.46 | lardman|home | was melting 'till this evening |
| 23:45.40 | jebba | i was in snow in argenina a couple days ago :) |
| 23:45.57 | lardman|home | :) |
| 23:46.04 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: and, is it ready? :) |
| 23:46.08 | ds3 | so is the entire island snow covered now? |
| 23:46.22 | jebba | anyone need to work in a SDK? I want to set up a new user with my new script ;) |
| 23:46.29 | lardman|home | ds3: you mean the UK? |
| 23:46.59 | SpeedEvil | ds3: It was a few days ago. It's now melting in places |
| 23:47.29 | ds3 | landman|home: yeah, just the stuff on the north side of the channel (I think the UK has land elsewhere) |
| 23:47.37 | SpeedEvil | ds3: see http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/402252main_LCROSS_results10_full.jpg |
| 23:47.38 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:47.45 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: I saw the BBC picture |
| 23:48.01 | ds3 | wanted ground confirmation ;) |
| 23:48.02 | ifreq | does the repos have good vnc client? |
| 23:48.04 | lardman|home | ds3: dunno, I think they are classed as something else |
| 23:48.15 | lardman|home | you know, America, India, Australia, etc. ;) |
| 23:48.19 | SpeedEvil | http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/amayfield/bAwhlBjuHpbDzaJJtGvfJHelpCAEwheIjsFCbomdoxJlrAqyngBgitvsfgtv/media_httpc2apiningco_dcFya.jpg.scaled500.jpg |
| 23:48.46 | red | Anyone wanna help me a bit with port forwarding? :S |
| 23:48.49 | ds3 | thought that's the difference between UK vs GB vs "England"? |
| 23:48.56 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4207075892/ is my favourite. |
| 23:48.57 | mrmg | how can I dev on device? |
| 23:49.01 | SpeedEvil | ds3: no. |
| 23:49.24 | SpeedEvil | ds3: UK is the united kingdoms of northern ireland, scotland, england and wales. |
| 23:49.35 | lardman|home | England is a country, doens't include Wales, Scotland, NI, GB is the contiguous countries i.e. England, Scotland, Wales, UK also includes NI |
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| 23:49.50 | ds3 | ah ok |
| 23:49.54 | red | Using Knots2 at the moment, and I opened 1978 port and 19780 port, locally it plays everything fine, using outside IP it says "waiting for video" and I tried as low bitrates as 500bps, so the video should be visible, but I feel like my NAT might be blocking it |
| 23:49.55 | mrmg | united kingdom of great britian and nothern ireland |
| 23:49.58 | lardman|home | hmm, too many commas not enough semi-colons there |
| 23:49.59 | red | anyone know if it's TCP or UDP? |
| 23:50.15 | ds3 | guess I what I meant there was GB; not sure of the snow status in NI |
| 23:50.30 | lardman|home | iirc it's raining there |
| 23:50.36 | mrmg | ds3: some of ireland has it |
| 23:50.40 | lardman|home | from looking at the forecast |
| 23:50.59 | mrmg | It's supposed to snow here tonight but nothing out my window yet |
| 23:51.07 | ifreq | has anyone got probs with icons after 1.0.1 patch? |
| 23:51.15 | lardman|home | mrmg: where are you? |
| 23:51.15 | ds3 | what's UK + Canada and the other countries that formally still has the queen as the head of state? |
| 23:51.44 | mrmg | London |
| 23:51.54 | mrmg | ds3: commonwealth? |
| 23:52.10 | ds3 | ah |
| 23:52.13 | lardman|home | mrmg: +1 |
| 23:52.17 | mrmg | hehe |
| 23:52.23 | mrmg | is this a quiz? |
| 23:52.25 | mrmg | :-) |
| 23:52.32 | lardman|home | test your UKness :) |
| 23:52.37 | mrmg | hehe |
| 23:52.48 | lardman|home | not wanting to offend by saying Englishness ;) |
| 23:53.01 | lardman|home | you know those Scots and Welsh ;D |
| 23:53.02 | mrmg | englishness is fine for me |
| 23:53.10 | jebba | ifreq: yes, re icons (not me, as i havent installed, but seen it mentoined) |
| 23:53.20 | ifreq | ah okay too bad :P |
| 23:53.28 | ifreq | just block after install |
| 23:53.37 | ifreq | s/block/blocks/ |
| 23:54.06 | jebba | this looks cool: http://blog.pierlux.com/2010/01/12/one-more-map-app-for-the-n900/en/ |
| 23:54.17 | SpeedEvil | is Scottish. |
| 23:54.18 | mrmg | is the easiest way to start developing just doing it in linux? |
| 23:54.49 | mrmg | I only have osx and win7 installed atm |
| 23:54.57 | lardman|home | takes back all the bad things he said about the Scots ;) |
| 23:55.16 | lardman|home | My wife's father was Scotish |
| 23:55.17 | ifreq | mrmg: install virtualbox on osx and fetch virtual sdk image |
| 23:55.20 | pierlux | jebba, thanks! ;-) |
| 23:55.27 | zash | mrmg: i get the feeling that tools are more readily available |
| 23:55.27 | ifreq | mrmg: or vmware. what ever |
| 23:55.30 | ds3 | Hmmm |
| 23:55.51 | ds3 | <--- learned most things about the UK from BBC programs |
| 23:55.56 | mrmg | that the image that's corrupted for me twice now? :-( |
| 23:56.23 | ds3 | so at the moment, there appears to be only 2 big cities in GB - London and Cardiff :D |
| 23:56.26 | mrmg | some of my family are in scotland |
| 23:56.35 | ifreq | jebba: ah it was here :P https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 |
| 23:56.36 | povbot` | Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in "More..." view has default icon instead of own one |
| 23:56.51 | mrmg | aunt lives in Glasgow and a cousin in Aberdeen. |
| 23:58.13 | ifreq | reboot & pray |
| 23:58.37 | mrmg | why am I typing on my ux when I could be on my n900? |
| 23:58.53 | ifreq | mrmg: really dunno.. :-P |
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| 23:58.57 | Jef91 | Hey all |
| 23:58.57 | mrmg | hehe |
| 23:59.01 | mrmg | heya |
| 23:59.12 | Jef91 | I'm trying to install .deb in my scratch box |
| 23:59.21 | Jef91 | and I am getting this depen message "Package libgnutls13 is not configured yet." |
| 23:59.35 | Jef91 | How do I tell my system to configure said pacakge? |
| 23:59.37 | Jef91 | been hunting around on google but have not found anything |
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