| 00:01.40 | jebba | hey woglinde |
| 00:01.58 | lcuk | Chiku, the cpu will always prefer to be in a lower speed state |
| 00:02.10 | lcuk | lower speed == longer battery life |
| 00:02.24 | GAN900 | lcuk, sometimes. |
| 00:02.34 | GAN900 | lcuk, race-to-idle and such. |
| 00:02.55 | GAN900 | Chiku, the N900's powersaving is quite capable of handling itself. ;) |
| 00:03.01 | ShadowJK | If it has nothing to do than service trivial timers, 250MHz wins :P |
| 00:03.23 | woglinde | the sucecssor of sheevaplug will run with 2 ghz |
| 00:03.31 | frals | cool |
| 00:03.37 | frals | im loving my sheevaplug |
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| 00:04.54 | simula_ | sheevaplug does look pretty cool :) |
| 00:04.58 | simula_ | what are you doing with it? |
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| 00:06.40 | frals | webserver, eggdrops, irssi |
| 00:07.30 | simula_ | webserver sounds pretty ideal |
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| 00:08.09 | woglinde | webserver and fileserver |
| 00:08.22 | woglinde | with usb<->video you can plug a monitor in |
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| 00:09.49 | frals | ponders how to get users to actually read and follow instructions before reporting errors |
| 00:10.34 | woglinde | frals forget it |
| 00:10.36 | woglinde | never works |
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| 00:12.45 | frals | figured as much :< |
| 00:13.38 | Sargun | can I kill the GUI on my n900? |
| 00:15.33 | cehteh | for what? |
| 00:16.16 | cehteh | if it gets killed some watchdog will trigger and reboot |
| 00:16.57 | cehteh | but you can prolly shut it down safely, just a bit hard to access the device then unless you have a ssh session open |
| 00:18.52 | luke-jr | simula_: SheevaPlug is only ARMv4 tho |
| 00:18.59 | luke-jr | contrast with N900 being ARMv7 |
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| 00:20.23 | simula_ | i totally agree luke-jr, just thinking it's more convenient for some plugged-in type applications and it's pretty cheap :) |
| 00:20.30 | luke-jr | I suppose |
| 00:21.15 | ssvb | luke-jr: isn't sheevaplug armv5te + iwmmxt? |
| 00:21.44 | AakashPatel | lulz |
| 00:21.48 | woglinde | sheeva is not armv4 |
| 00:21.55 | AakashPatel | lowered my auction for n900 to 3 days |
| 00:21.58 | AakashPatel | ends sunday |
| 00:22.01 | AakashPatel | Go get some |
| 00:22.02 | AakashPatel | :P |
| 00:22.52 | luke-jr | ssvb: I thought v4? |
| 00:22.56 | frals | CPU architecture: 5TE |
| 00:23.00 | luke-jr | hm |
| 00:23.04 | luke-jr | ARMADA 500/600 are v7 |
| 00:23.07 | frals | on mine at least :) |
| 00:23.10 | luke-jr | why don't they use that? :/ |
| 00:24.13 | woglinde | price |
| 00:25.01 | ssvb | luke-jr: AFAIK those ARMADA chips don't have neon, so it's kind of fake v7 :) |
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| 00:25.22 | ShadowJK | my sheevaplug is armv5te, no fpu :) |
| 00:25.50 | ShadowJK | and no iwmmxt |
| 00:26.05 | sshinobi | I'm trying to locate files within my Nokia N800. I'm not able to find where my documents are in Xterm. |
| 00:26.21 | luke-jr | sshinobi: look for hidden dirs under MyDocs |
| 00:26.28 | jebba | Sargun: you can start a getty on tty3 and `chvt 3` to it, but X will still be running. |
| 00:26.32 | sshinobi | alright |
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| 00:26.45 | luke-jr | sshinobi: to see hidden dirs, use ls -A |
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| 00:26.55 | Jef91 | hey all |
| 00:26.55 | ssvb | ShadowJK: really? can you post /proc/cpuinfo from it somewhere? |
| 00:27.18 | luke-jr | jebba: does that actually work? IIRC, the whole display-turn-off thing depends on X input yet turns off even console... |
| 00:27.59 | ShadowJK | ssvb, http://pastebin.com/m15d91448 |
| 00:28.14 | frals | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d1719cd0f |
| 00:28.15 | frals | doh! |
| 00:28.19 | jebba | luke-jr: yes, i've done it. periodically X refreshes the screen *over* the console, but you can `clear` it. You stay in the console, it doesnt flip you over. |
| 00:28.25 | Jef91 | is there a way, I can still get a txt msg beep when I am listening to music on my n900 |
| 00:28.28 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 00:28.30 | jebba | of course, the keymap is crap--only alpha basically. |
| 00:29.32 | ssvb | ShadowJK: ok, thanks. I also googled a bit in the mean time. Lack of even iwmmxt makes it quite bad for multimedia |
| 00:30.29 | ShadowJK | that and iwmmxt doesn't enjoy the kind of "free ride" as neon does :) |
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| 00:31.30 | MaemohammadAG | nn peeps |
| 00:32.06 | woglinde | ShadowJK with out dsp there is no fun |
| 00:34.08 | ShadowJK | I think DSP is the least fun of them all. |
| 00:39.00 | ssvb | ShadowJK: there is too much fun with DSP :) |
| 00:39.46 | sshinobi | when looking for debian packages to download, like libssl0.9.7, can I download it from the debian package repository, or should I look for it on Maemo? |
| 00:40.10 | Caesium | coo, I just noticed that the calendar widget *does* show birthdays, but only on the day, not in advance |
| 00:40.14 | Caesium | not much good if I forget to get a present :) |
| 00:41.51 | Caesium | sshinobi: technically they should work from debian arm repo but you'll have hell with dependencies |
| 00:42.19 | sshinobi | I'm trying to get Nmap to work on it, and it says this is the only dependency it needs to work. |
| 00:42.34 | Caesium | worth a shot then :) |
| 00:43.14 | sshinobi | but which version should I download? Theres x86, Alpha, AMD64... |
| 00:43.18 | Caesium | arm |
| 00:43.26 | sshinobi | alright |
| 00:43.47 | sshinobi | can I assume that for all future downloads from the Deb. Package Repository should be from arm? |
| 00:44.03 | Caesium | yes, arm is the type of cpu in the n900 |
| 00:45.41 | luke-jr | ARM is the architecture. TI OMAP 2 is the type |
| 00:45.57 | luke-jr | assuming 'type' is similar to Athlon64 vs Pentium vs Core2 |
| 00:46.07 | ShadowJK | omap3 in n900 |
| 00:46.14 | luke-jr | right |
| 00:46.17 | luke-jr | ;) |
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| 00:52.47 | sshinobi | how do I find my n800's IP address if its connected to the network? |
| 00:53.07 | ShadowJK | there's a homeip applet... and also /sbin/ifconfig in terminal |
| 00:53.26 | ShadowJK | under wlan0.... inet addr: |
| 00:53.53 | sshinobi | alright cool |
| 00:54.14 | sshinobi | connection refused |
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| 00:56.42 | ssvb | luke-jr: that's not a good comparison, more like ARM9/ARM11/Cortex-A8 are similar to Athlon64/Pentium/Core2, these all are microarchitectures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microarchitecture |
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| 01:04.00 | sshinobi | ugh... |
| 01:04.44 | sshinobi | I've found that the Maemo website has Zenmap, but I don't have sax.saxutils. |
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| 01:18.42 | VDVsx | ups, selling phones is not easy as it seems :p : http://www.pcworld.com/article/186399/google_faces_deluge_of_nexus_one_complaints.html |
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| 01:22.23 | frals | hehe |
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| 01:25.04 | jebba | overnight shipping took 3 days! |
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| 01:27.46 | frals | yey my blogpost made it to maemo.org frontpage.. at the bottom, but still frontpage! ;-) |
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| 01:28.57 | FIQ | gz |
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| 01:30.01 | jebba | ah cool frals, nice one. Check that one off the list ;) |
| 01:30.29 | frals | yepp, two major milestones.. * dont go insane reading wsp/mms docs * maemo.org frontpage |
| 01:30.32 | frals | ;-) |
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| 01:37.10 | Jef91 | hey all |
| 01:37.36 | Jef91 | anyone else here use the gameboy emulator on their N900? |
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| 01:52.45 | luke-jr | ssvb: I agree your ARM subdivisions are better |
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| 02:21.14 | sshinobi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.15 | AakashPatel | Get a map |
| 02:22.16 | AakashPatel | ;) |
| 02:22.24 | matthew- | ;] |
| 02:22.27 | matthew- | rotfl |
| 02:22.29 | sshinobi | hehehe |
| 02:22.32 | matthew- | ovi maps cant help tbh |
| 02:22.38 | sshinobi | I can't even get my maps to work :/ |
| 02:22.56 | matthew- | sshinobi: Why? |
| 02:23.05 | matthew- | sshinobi: Best way is to describe your problem |
| 02:23.11 | matthew- | and if someone knows - they will help. |
| 02:23.23 | sshinobi | alright, here goes |
| 02:24.33 | ColdFyre | are there plans/talks for maemo 6 for the n900? |
| 02:24.35 | sshinobi | I'm trying to get Nmap to work on my Nokia N800. Most of the repositories online support OS2007, and I've got OS2008. Theres a lot of talk of just being able to copy the .deb over to your N800 and it should work, but I've had no success getting any of my pentesting tools to work. |
| 02:25.30 | SpeedEvil | just scribbles on some paper to pen test. |
| 02:25.48 | SpeedEvil | good luck. |
| 02:25.53 | SpeedEvil | goes back to sleep. |
| 02:25.58 | sshinobi | lmao |
| 02:26.30 | sshinobi | TL;DR - I push button, it not work. |
| 02:26.41 | matthew- | sshinobi: console, apt-get install nmap |
| 02:26.42 | matthew- | works |
| 02:27.03 | matthew- | (as a root) |
| 02:27.08 | matthew- | NEXT. |
| 02:27.12 | sshinobi | wait, maemo comes with apt-get? |
| 02:27.19 | matthew- | its debian based? |
| 02:27.19 | sshinobi | !? |
| 02:27.32 | luke-jr | ... |
| 02:27.35 | sshinobi | I don't have much experience with debian, sorry :) |
| 02:27.37 | matthew- | how would you think packets are managed. Geez. I've got nothing to do with IT and I know it. |
| 02:27.40 | luke-jr | Maemo uses apt-get yes |
| 02:27.43 | sshinobi | slackware and bt3/4 yeah |
| 02:27.56 | luke-jr | (of course, modern Debian and Debian-based distros use aptitude instead) |
| 02:28.06 | matthew- | luke-jr: Do they? :) |
| 02:28.08 | luke-jr | ColdFyre: no. |
| 02:28.09 | sshinobi | writes this down |
| 02:28.13 | matthew- | << Solaris fannboi |
| 02:28.17 | sshinobi | I'm a psych student myself |
| 02:28.18 | luke-jr | matthew-: yes. |
| 02:28.32 | luke-jr | matthew-: apt-* <command> becomes aptitude <command> |
| 02:28.34 | matthew- | sshinobi: I work for a finance fund |
| 02:28.46 | matthew- | luke-jr: ah |
| 02:28.52 | matthew- | 03:28 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from matthew-: irssi v0.8.12 - running on SunOS sun4u |
| 02:28.53 | luke-jr | no more memorizing which apt-BLAH it is |
| 02:28.55 | matthew- | ! |
| 02:28.55 | luke-jr | :p |
| 02:28.57 | matthew- | FTW |
| 02:29.20 | luke-jr | and aptitude even tracks dependencies on removal |
| 02:29.26 | matthew- | cool |
| 02:29.28 | luke-jr | so removing stuff doesn't leave cruft behind |
| 02:29.30 | luke-jr | :) |
| 02:29.43 | matthew- | So they moved to pkg_** like in bsd's |
| 02:29.51 | luke-jr | ?? |
| 02:30.07 | matthew- | same thing, tracks dependencies etc. |
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| 02:31.08 | matthew- | 03:31 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from user_: irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux armv7l |
| 02:31.11 | matthew- | that's maemo response ;d |
| 02:32.12 | matthew- | if anyone is interested: |
| 02:32.12 | matthew- | http://twitter.com/mfrenzys |
| 02:32.15 | matthew- | ?:) |
| 02:32.27 | matthew- | got still loads of wave invites etc.. |
| 02:32.27 | matthew- | ;d |
| 02:33.02 | juhar | matthew-, tell why i should be intrested? |
| 02:33.55 | matthew- | juhar: Dunno, i just discovered twitter! |
| 02:34.05 | juhar | :) |
| 02:34.19 | matthew- | i want to do my own blog too! |
| 02:34.31 | matthew- | a lot about politics i have to say |
| 02:34.39 | matthew- | but cant ;D |
| 02:34.43 | juhar | why not? |
| 02:35.40 | matthew- | Well, looking at my current job I can't openly say my views ;d |
| 02:35.50 | matthew- | without loosing hmm, clients to say the least |
| 02:36.02 | luke-jr | ... |
| 02:36.05 | matthew- | yeah |
| 02:36.17 | matthew- | u know, i work in finance, withjews. |
| 02:36.22 | matthew- | with jews* even |
| 02:36.26 | luke-jr | ............. |
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| 02:36.38 | matthew- | ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 02:36.42 | b-man17 | !!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:37.01 | matthew- | :-) |
| 02:37.04 | jX | Some people don't like Jews. I rather do. Mel Gibson said, "Jews start all the wars and control all the money." Well, if that's true, why would you ever want to piss them off? |
| 02:37.17 | matthew- | jX: Oh, i'm a jew. |
| 02:37.31 | jX | please don't turn my house into a battlefield and take all my money! |
| 02:37.35 | juhar | jX, do you know what Tom Cruise said? |
| 02:37.35 | jX | Shalom! |
| 02:37.40 | matthew- | :-) |
| 02:37.41 | mtnbkr | lol |
| 02:37.41 | matthew- | Shalom |
| 02:37.45 | b-man17 | lol |
| 02:37.55 | matthew- | funny thing about shalom |
| 02:37.59 | jX | juhar: I heard he said "You don't KNOW the history of psychology!" |
| 02:38.05 | matthew- | everyone takes as it means 'peace' |
| 02:38.12 | matthew- | which is like a veeery small part of the meaning |
| 02:38.17 | matthew- | the TRUE meaning is: |
| 02:38.23 | juhar | jX, and he built some bunker because ufo's are coming |
| 02:38.33 | matthew- | 'i hope ill turn your house into a battlefirld and then i take all your gold and money' |
| 02:38.38 | jX | juhar: Xenu is coming, Xenu is coming! |
| 02:38.46 | jX | matthew-: Damnit! I knew it! |
| 02:38.50 | matthew- | ;] |
| 02:39.02 | jX | FWIW I was made an honorary Jew by the family of a girl I dated. |
| 02:39.05 | juhar | jX, yeah that was it |
| 02:39.07 | jX | they were all Jewish. |
| 02:39.14 | matthew- | :D |
| 02:39.16 | matthew- | rotfl |
| 02:39.23 | matthew- | well, if they mother is jewish its ok |
| 02:39.30 | jX | oh no, they were ALL jewish. |
| 02:39.37 | matthew- | jX: but ur not |
| 02:39.38 | jX | ethnic AND religious. |
| 02:39.51 | jX | no, I'm ethnically from teh UK and was born a Catholic. |
| 02:39.59 | matthew- | so if you would marry the girl its ok cause by the beliefs the kids would be jewish |
| 02:40.03 | matthew- | got it ? |
| 02:40.11 | matthew- | mother jewish = kids jewish |
| 02:40.17 | matthew- | so girl can date whoever |
| 02:40.26 | jX | yeah, I'm aware of the inheritance of Jewocity |
| 02:40.30 | matthew- | ;] |
| 02:40.30 | jX | it's the same with the Irish |
| 02:40.33 | matthew- | Jewocity lol |
| 02:40.38 | jX | :D |
| 02:40.40 | matthew- | Judaism maybe?:D |
| 02:40.44 | matthew- | lol |
| 02:40.54 | matthew- | mother irish = kid gypo ? |
| 02:40.55 | matthew- | :) |
| 02:41.02 | matthew- | I like the irish :D |
| 02:41.03 | luke-jr | jX: nobody is born Catholic |
| 02:41.04 | matthew- | they're fun |
| 02:41.12 | jX | luke-jr: Oh yes they are. |
| 02:41.13 | matthew- | luke-jr: everyone is born Muslim actually ;d |
| 02:41.19 | luke-jr | matthew-: nope |
| 02:41.22 | matthew- | jX: comedy central |
| 02:41.25 | jX | You're a Catholic the moment Dad came. |
| 02:41.25 | matthew- | south park on WoW |
| 02:41.58 | matthew- | luke-jr: only religion from the book w/o any kind of baptism |
| 02:42.07 | matthew- | so if you're monoteistic, you're born muslim :D |
| 02:42.09 | luke-jr | matthew-: irrelevant |
| 02:42.31 | luke-jr | you can only consent to adhere to the Muslim heresies once you reach the age of reason |
| 02:42.31 | jX | I have a very semetic sense of humor sometimes, I've been asked if I'm a Jew occasionally, and I say, "No, I'm not a Jew, I'm just a little Jew-ish!" |
| 02:42.34 | jX | BADUM CHING |
| 02:42.42 | luke-jr | same w/ all false religions actually |
| 02:42.55 | jX | luke-jr: Or if you can scream "ALLAH AKBAR!" while blowing up a bomb-vest. |
| 02:42.55 | matthew- | bla bla bla |
| 02:42.56 | matthew- | w/e |
| 02:43.03 | matthew- | WHO CARES |
| 02:43.09 | jX | False religions? You mean like the Jedi? |
| 02:43.22 | matthew- | ;] |
| 02:43.25 | luke-jr | yeah, like the Jedi |
| 02:43.27 | jX | YODA DIED FOR YORU SINS |
| 02:43.34 | matthew- | juhar: ! |
| 02:43.37 | luke-jr | ... |
| 02:43.39 | matthew- | thanks for biing a follower! |
| 02:44.14 | luke-jr | who is juhar |
| 02:44.24 | jX | Juhar is the One True god |
| 02:44.37 | matthew- | he's following me on twitter so leave him alone |
| 02:44.45 | jX | also, luke-jr you might find this quite enlightening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8 |
| 02:44.45 | juhar | luke-jr, i'm Juha, 23 years old from Finland |
| 02:44.45 | matthew- | LEAVE JUHAR ALONE!!! |
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| 02:45.04 | juhar | luke-jr, what you want to know about me? |
| 02:45.27 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8l3X_7Hkg&feature=fvste3 |
| 02:45.27 | luke-jr | juhar: rather, I was asking what matthew-'s reference to you was about :P |
| 02:45.31 | jX | is currently spinning: Monty Python - Every Sperm Is Sacred |
| 02:45.31 | matthew- | LEAVEHIM ALONE |
| 02:45.55 | luke-jr | jX: unlikely? what is it? |
| 02:46.00 | jX | watch and see |
| 02:46.07 | juhar | matthew-, hope you have good tweets to share :) |
| 02:46.08 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=related |
| 02:46.08 | luke-jr | no thanks, I don't use Flash |
| 02:46.11 | matthew- | that's the original |
| 02:46.21 | matthew- | luke-jr: Use your n900 ! |
| 02:46.25 | luke-jr | matthew-: buy me one |
| 02:46.27 | matthew- | juhar: wanna wave invite ?:D |
| 02:46.33 | matthew- | luke-jr: :< |
| 02:46.34 | jX | Use the flash, Luke! |
| 02:46.35 | matthew- | OK |
| 02:46.46 | luke-jr | srsly? |
| 02:46.50 | matthew- | juhar: where in finland? |
| 02:47.00 | AakashPatel | luke-jr: EBAY |
| 02:47.08 | luke-jr | AakashPatel: you want too much |
| 02:47.11 | AakashPatel | No way |
| 02:47.26 | corecode_ | spreads fairy dust |
| 02:47.29 | juhar | matthew-, between of russia and sweden |
| 02:47.32 | AakashPatel | hah |
| 02:47.33 | juhar | sweden |
| 02:47.40 | matthew- | luke-jr: Do you look like this: |
| 02:47.40 | matthew- | http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs123.snc3/17039_403899045108_805145108_10327237_2476995_n.jpg |
| 02:47.43 | matthew- | ? |
| 02:47.51 | luke-jr | matthew-: no. |
| 02:47.54 | matthew- | juhar: Im in finland very often |
| 02:47.57 | matthew- | luke-jr: then no. |
| 02:48.02 | juhar | matthew-, don't need wave invite, i'm in already.. |
| 02:48.12 | matthew- | wave sucks. |
| 02:48.31 | matthew- | it was fun straight after I/O |
| 02:48.31 | juhar | matthew-, what? you're in finland often but you don't know where it is? |
| 02:48.31 | matthew- | then it went downhill. |
| 02:48.34 | jX | luke-jr: Do you look like this? http://eris.discordians.net/~eletorsk/stallman20041008.jpg |
| 02:48.34 | matthew- | juhar: im asking where IN finland |
| 02:48.40 | juhar | oh yeah :D |
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| 02:48.45 | luke-jr | jX: no. |
| 02:48.45 | AakashPatel | Haha |
| 02:48.48 | juhar | just figured it out :P sorry :P |
| 02:48.52 | juhar | matthew-, oulu |
| 02:49.26 | matthew- | juhar: toooo far ;d |
| 02:49.30 | sshinobi | is there a way I can like see whats available foe me to download on apt-get? |
| 02:49.34 | matthew- | im in helsinki / espoo like every month |
| 02:49.40 | matthew- | sshinobi: wow ;D |
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| 02:49.49 | matthew- | sshinobi: yes |
| 02:49.52 | matthew- | ;) |
| 02:49.54 | juhar | matthew-, at nokia? |
| 02:49.55 | sshinobi | Yes. I'm that noobish XD |
| 02:49.55 | matthew- | repositories. |
| 02:49.57 | matthew- | juhar: yah |
| 02:50.12 | juhar | have you been in oulu? |
| 02:50.14 | sshinobi | I don't mean to be, and I apologize if I'm a burden |
| 02:50.15 | jX | is currently spinning: Monty Python - Never Be Rude To An Arab |
| 02:50.25 | matthew- | juhar: nope |
| 02:50.42 | matthew- | sshinobi: Would you like to google for the list yourself ? |
| 02:50.55 | sshinobi | I am. |
| 02:50.59 | matthew- | sshinobi: A hint: they are called Packages |
| 02:51.26 | sshinobi | so I downloaded nmap through apt-get, do I execute it in CLI? |
| 02:51.29 | jX | has a package, heh heh |
| 02:51.39 | matthew- | sshinobi: Do you know how to use nmap ? |
| 02:51.48 | matthew- | just type in nmap in console. |
| 02:51.59 | matthew- | voila ;-) |
| 02:52.06 | sshinobi | loosely, yeah. |
| 02:52.20 | matthew- | i thought slackware was a bit more _demanding_ from its users/admins. |
| 02:52.36 | matthew- | sshinobi: http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 02:52.41 | sshinobi | I'm not an admin, I'm just a light user |
| 02:52.42 | matthew- | there, im not in a moood to be sadistic. |
| 02:52.57 | matthew- | and use BROWSE |
| 02:52.58 | matthew- | ;] |
| 02:54.11 | matthew- | juhar: I sign off investment approvals for most of the OEM/EMS companies ;d |
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| 02:54.55 | juhar | matthew-, ok, i didn't understand that all :P |
| 02:55.34 | jX | oh, matthew-, happen to determine teh cell xceiver chips in the n900 yet? Or were you too busy counting your gold from deep within your bunker? |
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| 02:56.37 | matthew- | jX: I've been 'snowed' in, didnt go to my office the whole week. Sorry |
| 02:56.50 | jX | ahh, what part of the world are you in? |
| 02:56.54 | matthew- | UK :( |
| 02:56.55 | jX | oh, Netherlands. |
| 02:56.57 | jX | oh, uk? |
| 02:57.00 | matthew- | yeah |
| 02:57.04 | matthew- | worst winter of the century |
| 02:57.13 | matthew- | im in midlands, and offices are in London |
| 02:57.14 | jX | oh yeah, you guys didn't pay your Gulf Stream bill so we diverted it. |
| 02:57.18 | jX | PAY UP. |
| 02:57.21 | matthew- | ;] |
| 02:57.46 | luke-jr | jX: cell xceiver would not be connected to OMAP |
| 02:57.59 | matthew- | jX: I mean EMS/OEM company comes to us for cash for their semicons/rnd |
| 02:58.10 | jX | luke-jr: Very perceptive. |
| 02:58.22 | matthew- | im the guy they pitch :) |
| 02:58.28 | juhar | matthew-, so you can't go to work because of snow? |
| 02:58.35 | matthew- | yep |
| 02:58.42 | matthew- | i cant commute 100miles |
| 02:58.53 | matthew- | well, I dont want to go to work, and snow is a good enough excuse :) |
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| 02:59.09 | juhar | how much snow there is? |
| 02:59.12 | matthew- | oh, like 20cm |
| 02:59.18 | matthew- | but its britain |
| 02:59.23 | matthew- | they dont have winter tires man |
| 02:59.35 | matthew- | -2oC and the trains stop working |
| 02:59.55 | sshinobi | hehe, I just don't have that much experience with linux yet |
| 03:00.04 | jX | juhar: Normally the UK is bathed in warm waters from the Gulf of Mexico via the Gulf Stream, they don't normally get much snow at all. Right now the Gulf Stream took a left turn at New Foundland and diverted away from the UK, leaving them unusually cold. |
| 03:00.09 | matthew- | sshinobi: Dont worry. everyone stars somewhere. |
| 03:00.12 | sshinobi | I mean, I know how to pudge around and move about in cli, and I know how to run some tools |
| 03:01.01 | sshinobi | I appreciate any help! |
| 03:02.27 | matthew- | n/p |
| 03:02.35 | matthew- | i'm a noob myself. |
| 03:04.18 | sshinobi | what about specifying other repositories? I'd like to play around with dnsiff and Tcpdump. Mulliner.org has them all, but I'm running into dependency problems. |
| 03:07.26 | matthew- | sshinobi: you've got all of that on maemo.org |
| 03:07.37 | matthew- | and you can do apt-get with all dependencies |
| 03:09.26 | matthew- | ive got a house viewing in a few hours |
| 03:09.37 | sshinobi | so you can install the dependencies that go with whatever you download? |
| 03:09.44 | matthew- | sshinobi: yes |
| 03:09.47 | sshinobi | neat |
| 03:10.01 | matthew- | you can make apt-get install all the dependencies that are needed |
| 03:10.05 | sshinobi | does apt-get do it automatically? or do you have to tell it to? |
| 03:10.06 | sshinobi | wow |
| 03:10.07 | matthew- | for specific packet you want to install. |
| 03:10.23 | matthew- | sshinobi: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get |
| 03:12.04 | matthew- | sshinobi: http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/40745 |
| 03:12.05 | matthew- | helpful too |
| 03:12.13 | matthew- | you dont have to read about the sources |
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| 03:14.12 | pupnik | what causes my app to not be 'on top'? clicking upper left acts to bring up clutter desktop :) |
| 03:14.29 | pupnik | bets this is right on wiki |
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| 03:15.14 | sshinobi | so, I don't know if this was answered, but can I tell apt-get to use another repository besides mamo.org? |
| 03:15.20 | sshinobi | is still reading |
| 03:15.24 | pupnik | yah |
| 03:15.31 | pupnik | in addition to |
| 03:16.07 | sshinobi | so I can specify maemo.org and apt-get.org |
| 03:16.19 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrx6etMl0w&feature=fvste3 |
| 03:16.23 | matthew- | AWECOME song |
| 03:16.49 | matthew- | sshinobi: yes |
| 03:16.52 | matthew- | sshinobi: you can |
| 03:17.00 | matthew- | you can defint them in the app manager even |
| 03:17.24 | pupnik | the repository you add should contain n900 software though |
| 03:17.25 | matthew- | and the lead singer is hot too. |
| 03:18.06 | matthew- | all her songs are quite awesome |
| 03:18.47 | pupnik | thanks that is actually good |
| 03:18.53 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQkLAhWsbi4 |
| 03:18.55 | pupnik | try jamaendo client |
| 03:18.59 | matthew- | that's good too. |
| 03:19.03 | matthew- | pupnik: what is? the song? |
| 03:19.08 | pupnik | yep |
| 03:19.19 | matthew- | yeah, she is |
| 03:19.21 | matthew- | i heard her in a pub |
| 03:19.25 | matthew- | waay back ago |
| 03:19.34 | pupnik | i dont like where she goes with it but the beginning was sweet |
| 03:19.40 | matthew- | pupnik: you know Fairytale Of New York ? |
| 03:19.45 | matthew- | hehe |
| 03:20.09 | matthew- | Paloma faith is quite cool too |
| 03:20.29 | matthew- | thou her i've met and came to adore. |
| 03:21.01 | matthew- | pupnik: find more of Florence and the machines or Paloma Faith |
| 03:21.41 | matthew- | she's also uber cute. When she smiles you cant see her eyes, like little chinese person. |
| 03:22.54 | pupnik | hmmmm |
| 03:23.20 | matthew- | damn, Fairytale Of New York. Being a bit reminescent i remember crying one christmas to that song like a baby |
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| 03:23.35 | matthew- | Couldnt go back home from NY cause of the fucking weather |
| 03:23.39 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obaouWZAYLs try this |
| 03:23.45 | pupnik | srsly |
| 03:23.52 | matthew- | spent christmas all alone, drunk like a pig. |
| 03:24.20 | pupnik | getting chills all over again... |
| 03:24.28 | pupnik | aww |
| 03:24.45 | pupnik | i do that on new years a lot |
| 03:24.52 | pupnik | never christmas |
| 03:24.55 | matthew- | pupnik: Ive got that tune in my car |
| 03:25.02 | pupnik | :) :) |
| 03:25.19 | pupnik | impressive live production |
| 03:25.42 | matthew- | i've had the pleasure of meeting Watkiss himself in London |
| 03:25.55 | matthew- | I dont like his rock interpretations |
| 03:25.59 | corecode_ | anybody have ideas on n900 + spotify? |
| 03:26.01 | matthew- | thou jazz/DnB are awesome. |
| 03:26.06 | matthew- | corecode_: Doesnt work |
| 03:26.11 | pupnik | nor me - with open eyes is his best |
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| 03:26.30 | pupnik | from victory's happy songbook |
| 03:26.39 | matthew- | yeah |
| 03:26.41 | corecode_ | matthew-: you mean they don't have binaries for maemo? |
| 03:26.49 | pupnik | woo reserved 3 nights in brussels for fosdem |
| 03:26.59 | matthew- | pupnik: gz. |
| 03:27.09 | matthew- | corecode_: That too. |
| 03:27.10 | SplasPood | pupnik: I went last year, had a great time |
| 03:27.13 | matthew- | Try compiling it. |
| 03:27.25 | corecode_ | matthew-: they have sources? |
| 03:27.38 | pupnik | gonna storm the bastille with the sidux guys |
| 03:27.49 | matthew- | corecode_: I think someone de-assembled it |
| 03:27.54 | corecode_ | heh |
| 03:28.36 | matthew- | pupnik: Thou, as it may be a surprise, my favorite artist right now is ... |
| 03:28.39 | matthew- | *drumrolls* |
| 03:28.43 | matthew- | Alicia Keys |
| 03:28.44 | SplasPood | Hrm, is there some trick to getting shortcuts to line up on the desktop or is it really just very careful dragging with the stylus? |
| 03:29.05 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8 |
| 03:29.17 | pupnik | actually that watkiss video also runs out of ideas fast |
| 03:29.46 | matthew- | SplasPood: If you'll find a way, please message me :-) |
| 03:30.19 | SplasPood | matthew-: lol, will do :) |
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| 03:30.50 | matthew- | pupnik: I love that A Keys ft Jay Z song. Thou i've got A LOT of memories connected with NYC so that may be why. |
| 03:31.19 | matthew- | And well, A Keys's got hottest face ever. :-) |
| 03:31.33 | sshinobi | If I update my package source in the App Manager, does it reflect in apt-get? |
| 03:31.39 | matthew- | sshinobi: yes |
| 03:31.53 | matthew- | sshinobi: it's same thing, thou App Manager is graphical |
| 03:31.54 | matthew- | ;) |
| 03:32.01 | sshinobi | oh cool |
| 03:32.42 | pupnik | im so happy maemo5 xterm opens urls with tap |
| 03:32.52 | matthew- | :o |
| 03:32.54 | matthew- | does it ? |
| 03:33.08 | SplasPood | I don't really like that song |
| 03:33.22 | matthew- | SplasPood: well, then to be honest... You suck sir ;) |
| 03:33.24 | jX | does anyone remember sometime last year Nokia saying that the N900 would be the only Maemo device in 2010? |
| 03:33.33 | pupnik | i like the piano and the nostalgia in it |
| 03:33.43 | SplasPood | but halcyon on and on by orbital always makes me think of NYC |
| 03:33.47 | pupnik | nope |
| 03:33.57 | matthew- | pupnik: well, as said I probly like it only cause i have a lot of memories with NYX |
| 03:34.00 | matthew- | NYC |
| 03:34.16 | pupnik | halcyon and driving through the black forest in 1993 made me weep with joy |
| 03:34.28 | pupnik | sun through fog and trees |
| 03:34.30 | SplasPood | pupnik: :) |
| 03:34.53 | SplasPood | matthew-: I think the chorus grates on me after a few cycles |
| 03:35.01 | SplasPood | matthew-: not that I don't like her solo work |
| 03:35.08 | matthew- | yeah got it |
| 03:35.16 | pupnik | get "the positiva ambient collection" - a whole cd of stuff that fit that mood |
| 03:35.19 | matthew- | OMG! |
| 03:35.35 | pupnik | whay |
| 03:35.38 | matthew- | I forgot about this song |
| 03:35.55 | SplasPood | matthew-: which song? |
| 03:35.55 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9A3J294Ic |
| 03:36.00 | matthew- | I had it on my CD with Porn back in the day |
| 03:36.01 | matthew- | lol |
| 03:36.11 | pupnik | some turkish girl lent out my copy and never got it back to me |
| 03:36.26 | SplasPood | matthew-: cover tune if I'm not mistaken |
| 03:36.32 | matthew- | SplasPood: yeah |
| 03:36.34 | matthew- | irish song |
| 03:36.48 | matthew- | well irish folk song ;d |
| 03:36.57 | SplasPood | It's too bad, this marks roughly the time when they completely went to shit |
| 03:37.12 | matthew- | :-) yeah |
| 03:37.16 | matthew- | around y2k |
| 03:37.30 | SplasPood | First concert I ever went to was a metallica show |
| 03:37.30 | matthew- | damn, im also quite often in Cork |
| 03:37.31 | matthew- | for work |
| 03:37.38 | matthew- | and the song is from there |
| 03:37.46 | matthew- | go to any pub, get irish man drunk |
| 03:37.47 | matthew- | hehe |
| 03:37.51 | matthew- | you'll hear it 100% |
| 03:38.25 | matthew- | Also, irish people like singing American folk music. |
| 03:38.29 | matthew- | From Texas ;-) |
| 03:39.01 | matthew- | Thou tradition to be kept, every time i hear this song im insanely drunk. |
| 03:39.26 | matthew- | I hooked up with that girl once, she was born in i think 1990 |
| 03:39.56 | SplasPood | Which girl.... |
| 03:40.12 | matthew- | and when i thought then when she was 4/5 i was old enough to go to gigs and throw up cause of cheap wine |
| 03:40.25 | matthew- | made me put her in bed and me sleep on the couch ;d |
| 03:40.41 | corecode_ | matthew-: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/23/qt-de-spotify-running-on-a-nokia-n900/ |
| 03:40.55 | matthew- | corecode_: thats qt |
| 03:40.59 | matthew- | not spotify |
| 03:41.02 | matthew- | and i know about it |
| 03:41.23 | corecode_ | what do you mean, not spotify |
| 03:41.23 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn481KcjvMo that song irish love too |
| 03:41.24 | jX | matthew-: Isn't that a trip? People who were born when we were almost out of school are old enough to, well, do what we did at the age we were when they were born. ;) |
| 03:41.33 | matthew- | and I ave to say im fond of it myself. |
| 03:41.52 | matthew- | jX: That's scary |
| 03:41.59 | lcuk | jx, par for the course |
| 03:42.16 | jX | it is! it's even scarrier when you wake up with one of them next to you in bed the next morning. |
| 03:42.20 | matthew- | You have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them .. :D |
| 03:42.23 | matthew- | jX: yeah. |
| 03:42.36 | jX | then you remember you did the same thing, and it's all ok. |
| 03:42.39 | matthew- | like, scary thing for me was the thing when everyone around me was drunk and i was still sober |
| 03:42.45 | matthew- | cause i didnt go out to get hammered ;d |
| 03:42.48 | jX | after all, we're all hellbound, let's enjoy the trip! |
| 03:42.52 | matthew- | :-) |
| 03:42.57 | lcuk | :S not the way i was remembering |
| 03:43.20 | matthew- | We're all on the same wagon, some of us just can enjoy the ride more? (tm) |
| 03:43.28 | jX | oh me too, I've never tried to get drunk. For some reason I don't see the appeal in drinking so much that I bash my head on the toilet as I puke up my spleen, then pass out on the floor. |
| 03:43.43 | matthew- | oh, c'mon when i was 16 i could down a bottle af cheap wine |
| 03:43.50 | matthew- | srom the bottle, on fresh air |
| 03:43.54 | matthew- | just to get 'teh buzz' |
| 03:44.12 | matthew- | i passed out about 30 meters from my house |
| 03:44.19 | matthew- | when i passed my uni exams and got into MiT |
| 03:44.37 | jX | I can down almost a half liter of rum now, but I that doesn't mean I'm going to go get smashed for the hell of it. |
| 03:44.40 | matthew- | I saw the gates of my mouse |
| 03:44.48 | matthew- | house* |
| 03:44.56 | matthew- | but couldnt phisically get there ;D |
| 03:45.00 | matthew- | jX: yeah |
| 03:45.00 | jX | lulz |
| 03:45.14 | matthew- | yeah, thou we had weed |
| 03:45.16 | matthew- | and hash |
| 03:45.22 | matthew- | and VERY wide collars :) |
| 03:45.33 | jX | I get stumbly after about 10 shots in <15 minutes. |
| 03:45.35 | matthew- | And IP's (Irc Parties) |
| 03:45.40 | matthew- | in the early 90s ;D |
| 03:45.50 | jX | lucky I don't get stupid or mush mouthed, so I can talk a good game even though I can't SEE straight. |
| 03:45.59 | jX | I can convince you I'm stone sober as long as I don't have to walk. |
| 03:46.02 | matthew- | jX: yeah, same. |
| 03:46.19 | matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixDK_tMEhE&NR=1 |
| 03:46.23 | matthew- | that's an awesome song too ;d |
| 03:46.29 | matthew- | jX: where were you from ? |
| 03:46.36 | jX | Pittsbugh PA, in the US. |
| 03:46.43 | jX | Pittsburgh, that is. |
| 03:46.53 | matthew- | yeah, pittsburgh PA is enough |
| 03:46.55 | matthew- | i studied in US |
| 03:46.58 | jX | cool |
| 03:47.00 | jX | oh, right, MIT |
| 03:47.05 | matthew- | yrp\ |
| 03:47.09 | matthew- | beer brb |
| 03:47.20 | jX | I was accepted to MIT and CMU, but those rat bastards at Stanford turned me down. |
| 03:47.42 | pupnik | nice |
| 03:48.03 | jX | oh man, so, a couple months ago I'm out with a pair of girls, and we were going to retire to my hotel about 3 blocks from the tavern. I was going walk while they went for their car. Well, I get a call, teh valet won't give S her car. I walk over and somehow talk teh guy into giver us teh keys, which for some dumb reason I gave to S. C would have been a better choice, but S was having none of it. |
| 03:48.14 | jX | Rather than walk, I decided I should ride with them to make sure they made it ok |
| 03:48.23 | jX | WHY my presence would ensure this I do not know |
| 03:48.51 | jX | I'm in the backseat as S drove like a madwoman, sobriety slowly seeping into my brain, "Oh, this was a bad choice." |
| 03:48.54 | pupnik | maybe little brain was doin the deciding |
| 03:49.15 | matthew- | ;-) |
| 03:49.28 | matthew- | Fuuny thing about my education |
| 03:49.31 | matthew- | on my CV |
| 03:49.40 | jX | Well, possibly, but I'm saying that I was trying to be smart, and really I was just being really dumb. |
| 03:49.49 | matthew- | (ive got a masters from MIT in EE and Yale in FnE) |
| 03:49.53 | jX | but you cou'dn't tell from outside. I could talk very logically and learly. |
| 03:50.07 | jX | Yalie, eh? I'll overlook that. |
| 03:50.08 | pupnik | fne? |
| 03:50.13 | matthew- | ive got MiT - Masters in Ruling the World |
| 03:50.18 | matthew- | and Yale - Master of the Universe |
| 03:50.20 | matthew- | on my CV |
| 03:50.27 | matthew- | and NO ONE ever asked any question about it |
| 03:50.41 | matthew- | and ive got it like this for the past 2 jobs |
| 03:50.42 | matthew- | i got |
| 03:50.44 | jX | yeah, resumes aren't poured over too well. |
| 03:51.08 | matthew- | AND i got directors job at one of the biggest banks |
| 03:51.08 | pupnik | wasnt bush a yalie? |
| 03:51.11 | jX | several of the companies I've worked for don't EXIST anymore, not even in Google, no one asks. |
| 03:51.11 | matthew- | funny as fuck |
| 03:51.31 | matthew- | pupnik: yeah |
| 03:51.40 | matthew- | thou 30 years my senior |
| 03:51.42 | matthew- | i think |
| 03:51.51 | jX | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.52 | pupnik | bank? |
| 03:51.58 | matthew- | jX: OLD. |
| 03:52.02 | matthew- | pupnik: yeah, i work in a bank :) |
| 03:52.02 | jX | yes yes, HOW old. |
| 03:52.05 | jX | I'll be 32 in March |
| 03:52.08 | matthew- | jX: TOO old. |
| 03:52.12 | matthew- | yeah, older ;) |
| 03:52.13 | jX | we're all too old |
| 03:52.17 | jX | what, 36? |
| 03:52.30 | matthew- | a bit more |
| 03:52.32 | matthew- | 38 |
| 03:52.36 | jX | that was next. |
| 03:52.38 | jX | that's not too bad. |
| 03:52.38 | matthew- | ;] |
| 03:53.07 | pupnik | are banks eally running linux on z-series or was that more of a sideshow tech demo? |
| 03:53.10 | matthew- | MiT class '98 |
| 03:53.10 | jX | you're teh age group I hung out with in school. I always looked older than my peers, so I could hang with the older kids and not be suspected of being a youngin :) |
| 03:53.23 | matthew- | pupnik: Oh ive got no idea, I dont do anything with IT. |
| 03:53.41 | matthew- | jX: i look 12. |
| 03:53.48 | jX | I looked 12 at 9. |
| 03:53.53 | jX | I looked 18 at 14. |
| 03:53.58 | matthew- | nah, i look like hmm |
| 03:53.58 | pupnik | i would be pissed at the big banks if i were a normal one |
| 03:53.58 | matthew- | 30 |
| 03:54.00 | matthew- | 32 maybe |
| 03:54.11 | matthew- | pupnik: Why? |
| 03:54.19 | jX | before I shaved my ehad I was looking yoru age, now somehow I look 26 again. |
| 03:54.21 | jX | which is good. |
| 03:54.29 | matthew- | that's how i look ;d |
| 03:54.30 | pupnik | bailouts |
| 03:54.43 | matthew- | pupnik: w/e we took the money just cause they were giving it for free. |
| 03:54.56 | pupnik | i would too |
| 03:55.28 | matthew- | with make up on |
| 03:55.30 | matthew- | i dont look my age |
| 03:55.31 | matthew- | http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v374/244/88/608538659/n608538659_1028026_4203.jpg |
| 03:55.34 | matthew- | heheh |
| 03:55.35 | pupnik | lets just say i read a lot of Rothbard |
| 03:55.53 | matthew- | ;-) |
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| 04:00.14 | pupnik | ok i think* i have a de-eviled winXP now for playing some games |
| 04:00.20 | matthew- | ;-) |
| 04:00.30 | matthew- | what games? |
| 04:00.32 | matthew- | get psp go |
| 04:00.42 | pupnik | i was told to try mass effect |
| 04:01.07 | matthew- | dunno |
| 04:01.09 | matthew- | try Prototype |
| 04:01.14 | matthew- | and assassins creed |
| 04:01.15 | pupnik | want to show friends gaming with 1080p and ps3 controller on projector |
| 04:01.28 | matthew- | :-) |
| 04:01.29 | pupnik | when they get cheap ok |
| 04:02.14 | pupnik | darn 120hz projectors still dont support nvidia shutterglasses |
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| 04:02.49 | pupnik | i want a 3d wall |
| 04:03.57 | pupnik | or 'cave' - curved projection surface with wide angle lens |
| 04:03.57 | SpeedEvil | It's called a door. |
| 04:04.05 | pupnik | :) |
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| 04:07.49 | pupnik | i meditate on the porch a lot |
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| 04:10.24 | sshinobi | Can chinook repositories work with Diablo? |
| 04:10.34 | matthew- | pupnik: 80in LCD FTW |
| 04:11.01 | matthew- | sshinobi: no |
| 04:11.06 | matthew- | SpeedEvil: go to sleep |
| 04:12.13 | jX | man that's a good idea. |
| 04:12.17 | jX | wanders off |
| 04:12.18 | sshinobi | grarw... |
| 04:12.19 | matthew- | ;) |
| 04:12.22 | matthew- | jX: nighty night |
| 04:12.27 | jX | later tater |
| 04:12.29 | matthew- | its 4:12 am here |
| 04:12.55 | pupnik | i hate lcds in principle. laser tvs much more efficient |
| 04:13.08 | pupnik | but somehow banned in europe apparently |
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| 04:13.38 | lcuk | you cant get the shark to change channels |
| 04:13.40 | matthew- | laset TVs ? |
| 04:14.04 | pupnik | yeah. r g b lasers aimed at a fast dlp stule mirror |
| 04:14.06 | pupnik | style |
| 04:14.11 | matthew- | aaaah |
| 04:14.23 | pupnik | cheap too |
| 04:14.36 | matthew- | arent those normal rear projections displays? |
| 04:15.23 | pupnik | RP zes, but not 'normal' |
| 04:15.26 | pupnik | yes |
| 04:15.32 | pupnik | god damn qwertz |
| 04:15.33 | matthew- | hmm |
| 04:16.06 | sshinobi | I've found a lot of packages that aren't a part of repositories... how do I install them? |
| 04:16.23 | pupnik | dpkg -i packagename |
| 04:18.04 | sshinobi | that installs those packages, right? |
| 04:18.28 | pupnik | yes |
| 04:19.15 | pupnik | dpkg -P packagename to remove |
| 04:19.46 | pupnik | it will not install dependencies for you tho |
| 04:24.50 | sshinobi | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/spkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:25.02 | sshinobi | thats when I ran "apt-get install nmap" |
| 04:25.45 | sshinobi | ... |
| 04:25.48 | sshinobi | it works though |
| 04:30.15 | pupnik | dpkg -i to install a local file, apt-get install to download and install with dependencies |
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| 04:33.41 | pupnik | wow winxp install took 4.52 gb on a 10GB fat32 partition |
| 04:44.25 | pwnguin | pupnik: probably 3 of that is just downloaded patches |
| 04:45.41 | pupnik | ahh 2gb was pagefile.sys |
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| 04:47.47 | kevloral | hi all |
| 04:48.19 | pupnik | not to boot linux, cat /dev/zero to a file on the partition, selete it, then dd |gzip an imag |
| 04:48.22 | pupnik | how |
| 04:48.29 | pupnik | now |
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| 05:07.06 | Jef91 | Are there any decent media players for N900 that will for instance let me sort my music easily by aritist? |
| 05:08.38 | pwnguin | what do you dislike about the default one? |
| 05:08.42 | pupnik | yeah cp, mkdir, mv |
| 05:09.04 | Jef91 | pwnguin Can it sort my music and play say only a certain artist or two? |
| 05:09.10 | pwnguin | yes |
| 05:09.11 | Jef91 | All my music is lumped into one folder... xD |
| 05:09.22 | pwnguin | provided your music is actually tagged |
| 05:09.26 | Jef91 | it is |
| 05:09.32 | pupnik | 'folder' :) |
| 05:09.44 | Jef91 | oh nvm I see |
| 05:09.54 | ml-mobile | heh |
| 05:10.00 | pwnguin | artists, genres, playlists, albums |
| 05:10.03 | pwnguin | pretty damn simple |
| 05:10.12 | ml-mobile | the default player is broken |
| 05:10.14 | pwnguin | argubly, finding the now playing playlist is harder |
| 05:11.00 | pupnik | so palm pre has games by electronic arts - need for speed |
| 05:11.12 | ml-mobile | It fails to read UTF-8 tags properly, so many of my albums end up strewn all over the place |
| 05:11.12 | pupnik | on that crappy portrait screen |
| 05:11.31 | pwnguin | ml-mobile: do you use canola then? |
| 05:12.26 | ml-mobile | haven't gotten around to installing it |
| 05:12.45 | pwnguin | ah. wondering if it supports podcasts better. im not a fan of gpodder |
| 05:13.29 | ml-mobile | I need to confirm if Canola is optified |
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| 05:19.23 | pupnik | someone made a surface to air missile emulator |
| 05:25.37 | pwnguin | who handles kmplayer? |
| 05:26.13 | pwnguin | the application manager appears to have figured out a way to show changes; im guessing someon coopted the short desc |
| 05:28.03 | GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, erm, no? |
| 05:28.10 | GeneralAntilles | There's always been an update-description field. |
| 05:28.31 | pwnguin | just never used? |
| 05:28.55 | pwnguin | 'desktop widget which allows you to search the web' doesn't seem like a good change description |
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| 05:41.19 | pupnik | so happy we got 4 big manufacturers with *nix based phones |
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| 05:41.47 | pupnik | but only nokia takes the truepath :) |
| 05:42.36 | pupnik | i hope the drm works. |
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| 06:00.26 | shinkamui | damn it |
| 06:00.33 | shinkamui | nokiausa support just shitten on me |
| 06:00.42 | shinkamui | requested a replacement back |
| 06:00.55 | shinkamui | they said, kindly contact your point of sale for an RMA replacement |
| 06:00.57 | shinkamui | mother fuckers |
| 06:01.01 | shinkamui | pardon my language there |
| 06:01.08 | shinkamui | didn't mean to go that far |
| 06:01.12 | shinkamui | but man am I mad |
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| 06:19.14 | Klowner | maemo mapper is 666kb, not sure if it's safe to download.. |
| 06:20.03 | luke-jr | Klowner: is it really? |
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| 06:20.18 | Klowner | heheh, that's what app manager said |
| 06:20.31 | luke-jr | meh, MM will grow fast enough |
| 06:20.35 | luke-jr | I wouldn't worry about it XD |
| 06:20.40 | luke-jr | those maps sure ain't small |
| 06:21.15 | Klowner | it seems way less freeze-uppy-terrible than the Maps app |
| 06:23.43 | pupnik | open street map is your chance to change your surroundings |
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| 06:25.49 | lucent | Mark Klowner? |
| 06:25.53 | luke-jr | Klowner: is that a joke? |
| 06:26.02 | pupnik | what is the coming racing gaame for N900 called that uses your local streetmaps for the track |
| 06:26.09 | luke-jr | on the other hand, the Maps app never even started for me |
| 06:26.15 | Klowner | lucent: yep |
| 06:26.27 | luke-jr | pupnik: lol? |
| 06:26.27 | lucent | Klowner: Ohhhh papermate..... |
| 06:26.28 | Klowner | luke-jr: nno? |
| 06:26.29 | RST38h | tmo dead now? |
| 06:26.34 | Klowner | lucent: lol |
| 06:26.38 | luke-jr | RST38h: Facebook was a few minutes ago |
| 06:26.40 | lucent | JNC |
| 06:26.53 | RST38h | facebook I do not care about |
| 06:26.55 | lucent | fancy you getting an N900 is it? |
| 06:27.06 | Klowner | lucent: oh hey! ya |
| 06:27.11 | RST38h | pupnik: not n900, symbian |
| 06:27.21 | pupnik | oh that sucks |
| 06:27.57 | Klowner | seems ovi maps is running decent at the moment though, hrm |
| 06:28.18 | luke-jr | wait, N900? |
| 06:28.22 | pupnik | i need about 1 million bucks and a business genius friend from usa and two russian coders |
| 06:28.23 | Klowner | ah nope, there it goes, unresponsive |
| 06:28.23 | luke-jr | does Maemo Mapper even work on N900 yet? |
| 06:28.24 | lucent | Ovi Maps frustrates me on N900 because it doesn't have a mode to keep the red dot appearing |
| 06:28.29 | lucent | the red dot disappears randomly |
| 06:28.34 | Klowner | luke-jr: yes and yes |
| 06:28.47 | Klowner | or at least to some degree |
| 06:30.14 | pupnik | sometimes it doesnt follow me |
| 06:30.29 | pupnik | pebcak? |
| 06:31.01 | lucent | there's the [o>] prompt if I go too far away from my position |
| 06:31.11 | lucent | if I hit that, it centers on my position but the red dot has disappeared |
| 06:31.12 | pupnik | yes |
| 06:31.22 | lucent | making it visually impossible to follow along |
| 06:31.49 | pupnik | if it tracks you, you are in the middle |
| 06:32.11 | pupnik | hence possible |
| 06:32.24 | lucent | it doesn't track me |
| 06:32.28 | lucent | how would I make it track me? |
| 06:32.45 | pupnik | i had it working once |
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| 06:51.02 | RST38h | lucent: You have to select a route |
| 06:51.06 | RST38h | then it tracks you |
| 06:51.23 | RST38h | also, that goddamn block of text with the current address disappears |
| 06:51.52 | RST38h | Ovi Maps on Maemo is a freaking disaster, even Nokia employees seem to accept that much |
| 06:54.53 | pupnik | well make it better |
| 06:55.05 | pupnik | wouldnt take much |
| 06:55.46 | pupnik | it does most things nicely |
| 06:56.34 | pupnik | for navi make it cost some money |
| 06:57.15 | `0660 | i wish i could save locations in it |
| 06:57.55 | `0660 | it has done the job this far at least |
| 06:58.31 | pupnik | we can make openstreetmap do anything |
| 06:58.37 | pupnik | so lets use that |
| 06:58.52 | guido_g | maep looks nice |
| 06:58.52 | pupnik | apt get install maep |
| 06:58.56 | pupnik | lol |
| 06:58.57 | guido_g | :) |
| 06:59.12 | guido_g | but hte text is to small |
| 06:59.14 | guido_g | *the |
| 06:59.32 | pupnik | today i am just gaming |
| 06:59.58 | pupnik | but lets make maep versions for every taste |
| 07:00.16 | guido_g | is going through the "find a decent plan" hell atm |
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| 07:01.41 | pupnik | how about openstreetroutes |
| 07:01.58 | pupnik | algorithm suggests best path, user corrects it |
| 07:02.15 | pupnik | needs smart people though to implement |
| 07:02.37 | pupnik | so you can store each route in subsegments |
| 07:02.52 | pupnik | i studied a bit of pathing. there are free libs |
| 07:03.42 | guido_g | memory-constrained a* algos are not easy, i'd say |
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| 07:04.20 | pupnik | ah yes |
| 07:04.57 | pupnik | that is why user input a la openstreetmap would be so helpful |
| 07:05.07 | guido_g | hmmm... |
| 07:05.25 | pupnik | accumulate human knowledge :) |
| 07:05.29 | guido_g | what about a hybrid solution? part of it on the device and part of it as service? |
| 07:05.37 | pupnik | right |
| 07:06.03 | pupnik | device crunches solutions for segments it doesnt know |
| 07:06.05 | guido_g | so we could "externalise" the calculations (and part of the storage) |
| 07:06.12 | guido_g | right |
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| 07:06.54 | guido_g | and the users (community) could contribute to the raw power by running the sw |
| 07:07.12 | pupnik | i saw 17 openstreetmapper people in my neighborhood |
| 07:07.17 | pupnik | that is so cool |
| 07:07.31 | guido_g | right, that's the mapping part |
| 07:07.33 | pupnik | they drew a tiny creek through my backyard too |
| 07:08.32 | guido_g | right, the maps are quite fine |
| 07:08.49 | guido_g | but what should we do w/ the data? :) |
| 07:08.51 | pupnik | i should just advertise stuff since i cant code my way out of a rice window |
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| 07:09.19 | LuciusMare | hey |
| 07:09.25 | pupnik | the data is alreaty tagged with metainfo like road, way etc |
| 07:09.40 | LuciusMare | any progress with flashlight,or a way to install the last working version? |
| 07:10.01 | guido_g | LuciusMare: is just saw an update of it in my device |
| 07:10.15 | LuciusMare | guido_g: then dont update |
| 07:10.18 | LuciusMare | it borks it |
| 07:10.19 | pupnik | so user tries a new route, it crunches, user corrects, app asks "sure this is a good route?" then uploads to osm server in segments |
| 07:10.21 | guido_g | too late... |
| 07:10.28 | LuciusMare | what version do you have? |
| 07:10.31 | LuciusMare | ow |
| 07:10.40 | guido_g | LuciusMare: just a second |
| 07:10.54 | guido_g | pupnik: or report traffic jams etc. |
| 07:11.01 | pupnik | is flashlight brighter than screen? |
| 07:11.10 | LuciusMare | yes,of course |
| 07:11.20 | pupnik | i doubt enough users exist to make realtime traffic doable today |
| 07:11.36 | LuciusMare | LED's are brighter than the screen,if you ask for this |
| 07:11.36 | pupnik | it doesnt burn out the leds? |
| 07:11.41 | LuciusMare | not sure |
| 07:11.52 | LuciusMare | always worked for me,and no burnout yet |
| 07:12.03 | pupnik | k continue testing pls :) |
| 07:12.09 | LuciusMare | just dont keep it on for hours :) |
| 07:12.11 | LuciusMare | uh. |
| 07:12.33 | LuciusMare | i'd like to,but the new version is borken >:( |
| 07:12.58 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer51 |
| 07:12.59 | pupnik | how do you make a new version of "turn on leds" z.) |
| 07:13.08 | LuciusMare | anyone reported it yet? |
| 07:13.29 | guido_g | it works for me |
| 07:13.30 | LuciusMare | pupnik: for example, turning off if camera app is on so it does not collide,or so |
| 07:13.48 | LuciusMare | that's it,only the first time. |
| 07:14.00 | guido_g | appmgr. reports version 0.3-0 |
| 07:14.30 | LuciusMare | that's the new version? |
| 07:14.40 | guido_g | just updated it |
| 07:14.51 | guido_g | <30 minutes ago |
| 07:15.01 | LuciusMare | ok,trying 0.2-0 |
| 07:16.18 | guido_g | pupnik: there *must* be a service for this kind of data! like traffic data via good old fm radio |
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| 07:16.24 | LuciusMare | great scott,this one does mot even appear in the status area >:( |
| 07:17.16 | LuciusMare | reebowting |
| 07:17.26 | guido_g | ouch |
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| 07:22.59 | LuciusMare | ok,so it worx |
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| 07:23.47 | LuciusMare | sudo gainroot; apt-get purge flashlight-applet;apt-get install flashlight-applet=0.2-0;reboot |
| 07:26.02 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer51: it workx! |
| 07:26.06 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 07:26.21 | LuciusMare | !seen DocScrutinizer51 |
| 07:26.26 | LuciusMare | @seen DocScrutinizer51 |
| 07:26.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? |
| 07:26.35 | LuciusMare | there is no bot? |
| 07:26.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 07:26.56 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer51 |
| 07:27.00 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer51: the flashlight,it worked |
| 07:27.04 | LuciusMare | oh :) |
| 07:27.25 | LuciusMare | apt-get install flashlight-applet=0.2-0 |
| 07:29.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | moin |
| 07:29.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | cool thanks |
| 07:30.34 | LuciusMare | but you've got to reboot |
| 07:31.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | later |
| 07:31.29 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 07:31.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) booting sucks |
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| 07:32.44 | LuciusMare | uh,huh |
| 07:33.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: joerg |
| 07:33.09 | infobot | methinks joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 07:33.21 | LuciusMare | the list of search engines in touchsearch is hardcoded into the source? |
| 07:33.40 | LuciusMare | ooh,shiny,openmoko |
| 07:33.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | pets infobot |
| 07:33.49 | LuciusMare | infobot: LuciusMare |
| 07:33.56 | LuciusMare | >:( |
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| 07:34.48 | LuciusMare | and, DocScrutinizer51, what OS do you use at your desktop? |
| 07:35.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | humm. opensuse |
| 07:35.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | for historical reasons |
| 07:36.11 | LuciusMare | but no windows,right? |
| 07:36.22 | LuciusMare | it would be kinda ironical :) |
| 07:36.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: LuciusMare is a kind fella |
| 07:36.37 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: okay |
| 07:37.17 | LuciusMare | huh. |
| 07:37.26 | LuciusMare | infobot: LuciusMare |
| 07:37.27 | infobot | rumour has it, luciusmare is a kind fella |
| 07:37.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | no redmond crap in use here for decades |
| 07:37.43 | LuciusMare | hah |
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| 07:39.04 | LuciusMare | is a local enlighter |
| 07:39.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: /query infobot |
| 07:39.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-) |
| 07:39.29 | LuciusMare | i throw CD's with ubuntu at my neighbouers |
| 07:39.36 | LuciusMare | or whatever it's spelt like |
| 07:39.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~forget LuciusMare |
| 07:39.43 | infobot | i forgot luciusmare, DocScrutinizer51 |
| 07:41.08 | pupnik | jesus. the game mass effect had to hire eight people for "North America Submissions and Compliance" |
| 07:41.35 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 07:42.50 | LuciusMare | okay, this is ridiculous |
| 07:42.54 | LuciusMare | ~seen porno |
| 07:42.55 | infobot | i haven't seen 'porno', LuciusMare |
| 07:43.18 | LuciusMare | i wonder if any user would dare to name himself and i got this. |
| 07:44.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually /who(is/was) also doesn't know porno |
| 07:45.03 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 07:45.04 | luke-jr | ... |
| 07:45.31 | porno | ha! |
| 07:46.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen porno |
| 07:46.25 | infobot | porno <n=LuciusMa@gprs10.vodafone.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 54s ago, saying: 'ha!'. |
| 07:46.41 | LuciusMare | damn |
| 07:46.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 07:46.47 | LuciusMare | i got something... |
| 07:46.59 | LuciusMare | i will be forevermore linked with nick porno |
| 07:47.05 | LuciusMare | -_- |
| 07:47.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | i'm sure infobots memory is rather volatile |
| 07:47.56 | LinuxCode | change nick 20 times |
| 07:47.59 | LuciusMare | not really |
| 07:48.01 | LinuxCode | it will say too mnay |
| 07:48.11 | LuciusMare | ~seen me |
| 07:48.12 | infobot | me <n=me@pool-71-119-56-17.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 58d 15h 28m 26s ago, saying: 'Hello'. |
| 07:48.24 | LuciusMare | 58 days? |
| 07:48.33 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 07:48.42 | LuciusMare | ~seen chicken |
| 07:48.43 | infobot | chicken <i=Chicken@c-66-229-152-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 753d 7h 17m 17s ago, saying: 'CAPSLOCK YAY'. |
| 07:48.55 | LuciusMare | 753 days is volatile? |
| 07:49.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | never seen >70d though |
| 07:49.11 | LuciusMare | ;) |
| 07:49.28 | LuciusMare | you just saw >700d |
| 07:49.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | yo |
| 07:49.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | amazing |
| 07:50.07 | luke-jr | caps lock killed the chicken? |
| 07:50.28 | LuciusMare | curiosity to UNLEASH THE FURY |
| 07:50.30 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 07:50.35 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 07:52.45 | LuciusMare | the list of search engines in touchsearch is hardcoded into the source? |
| 07:54.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: flashlight works w/o reboot :-) |
| 07:55.28 | LuciusMare | nice,i guess? |
| 07:59.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | no issues except an initial flash on opening slider first time |
| 08:00.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | 2. time it fixed itself ;-) |
| 08:03.34 | LuciusMare | screams @ touchsearch |
| 08:03.55 | LuciusMare | everything but the wikipedia i want and need to edit can be edited. |
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| 08:12.37 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 08:12.53 | LuciusMare | can be a bookmark manually added/or edited? |
| 08:13.21 | LuciusMare | i have a page that redirects me to the site with newest data,thus i cant bookmark it |
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| 08:22.38 | flux | is 48kHz really the hardware sampling rate of n900? |
| 08:23.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: add arbitrary bookmark. you can edit both title abd URL |
| 08:23.25 | LuciusMare | what is that? |
| 08:23.41 | LuciusMare | arbitrary bookmark? |
| 08:23.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: yes |
| 08:24.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: any |
| 08:24.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | random |
| 08:24.51 | flux | I'm just wondering, because using parec and 48kHz makes pulseaudio use 20% CPU (running in only 250MHz though), which sounds a lot |
| 08:25.02 | flux | and there should be no mixing or resampling involved |
| 08:25.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | pa is a bitch |
| 08:25.46 | LuciusMare | oh, i didnt know that a bookmark can be edited -_- |
| 08:26.48 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 08:27.38 | LuciusMare | i am reorganizing my desktop,and it looks just about right, but the rss reader covers the nice part of the milky way wallpaper |
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| 08:36.57 | pupnik | E: Couldn't find package libsdlnet1.2 |
| 08:37.02 | pupnik | we cant upload lib* to extras |
| 08:37.15 | pupnik | what is the solution? |
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| 08:41.30 | pupnik | nokia, hite one person to build libs for community |
| 08:41.35 | pupnik | hore even |
| 08:41.37 | pupnik | hire |
| 08:42.52 | LuciusMare | all of them,just to make sure |
| 08:43.34 | LuciusMare | hite one,hore another one (hore some womam,for best results) and at last,hire someone. |
| 08:43.50 | LuciusMare | *woman |
| 08:43.53 | LuciusMare | egh |
| 08:46.55 | LuciusMare | bye |
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| 08:51.37 | hrw|n900 | ho |
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| 08:53.56 | hrw|n900 | rst: add fullscreen button to xchat please |
| 08:54.55 | MaemohammadAG | hrw|n900, you can add it yourself |
| 08:55.41 | hrw|n900 | I am not familiar with gtk |
| 08:56.06 | MaemohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer51> MohammadAG: open settings advanced key-shortcuts |
| 08:56.42 | MaemohammadAG | sorry for the highlight mate, but i don't like taking credit for something you told me :) |
| 08:56.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | ?? |
| 08:56.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah k. nm |
| 08:57.16 | MaemohammadAG | hrw|n900, done that? |
| 08:58.02 | hrw|n900 | ah... ctrl-enter |
| 08:58.05 | MaemohammadAG | and it's already configured here |
| 08:58.10 | hrw|n900 | aweso |
| 08:58.14 | MaemohammadAG | yeah, the usual one |
| 08:58.43 | hrw|n900 | 3 lines of text more |
| 08:58.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | for now fullscreen in xchat seems to be assigned to ctrl-enter |
| 08:59.15 | pupnik | how do we get libs into extras, seriously |
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| 09:04.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | MaemohammadAG: maybe you also like that one: http://pastebin.com/f37c64e92 |
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| 09:04.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | set play cmd in settings to /home/user/.xchat2/notify.sh |
| 09:05.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | and copy above lines to named file |
| 09:06.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | play command is set in prefs/sound |
| 09:07.19 | MaemohammadAG | vibration test? |
| 09:07.42 | MaemohammadAG | oh wait |
| 09:07.48 | MaemohammadAG | vibration notice |
| 09:07.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 09:07.56 | MaemohammadAG | my motor seems to be dead |
| 09:08.24 | MaemohammadAG | doesn't vibrate |
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| 09:08.41 | MaemohammadAG | it makes a weird sound though |
| 09:08.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | do the dbus-send looong line in xterm |
| 09:08.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | for test |
| 09:09.27 | Stskeeps | hrw|n900: did you delete #7792 yourself? kinda wondering why it disappeared |
| 09:09.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | or maybe you disabled vibrator in tablet's profile |
| 09:09.40 | MaemohammadAG | just the sound |
| 09:09.47 | MaemohammadAG | nah, already checked |
| 09:10.04 | MaemohammadAG | it makes a weird sound, like the 12khz mosquito stuff |
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| 09:10.33 | MaemohammadAG | what's the pattern for voice call? |
| 09:10.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | the vib?? |
| 09:10.41 | MaemohammadAG | want a long vibration |
| 09:11.02 | MaemohammadAG | maybe it'd fix it if it was on for some time |
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| 09:11.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | MaemohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433355#post433355 |
| 09:13.51 | hrw|n900 | bye |
| 09:13.52 | *** part/#maemo hrw|n900 (n=hrw@chello089078170228.chello.pl) |
| 09:14.10 | MaemohammadAG | gonna video this |
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| 09:17.28 | Arkenoi | there is no @scene in bmo components catalog? |
| 09:17.52 | MaemohammadAG | video'd. sound shows the vibration sound when a call comes in |
| 09:17.57 | MaemohammadAG | will upload in a sec |
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| 09:19.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | if it's 12KHz-ish it most likely is the clock of the PWM that "dims" the motor voltage |
| 09:20.27 | MaemohammadAG | so it's a hw defect right? |
| 09:20.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders why IroN900:/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator# echo 100 >brightness doesn't work as expected |
| 09:20.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | MaemohammadAG: I'd guess yes |
| 09:21.13 | MaemohammadAG | can it be repaired? |
| 09:21.50 | MaemohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, how do I make the vid quality bad? |
| 09:22.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | easily. clear the space for vibr excenter mass to rotate. replace whole vibr motor block |
| 09:22.08 | MaemohammadAG | cause it's bad already but it's taking up 38MBs |
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| 09:22.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | MaemohammadAG: (vid) no idea, sorry |
| 09:22.36 | MaemohammadAG | and that can be done for a not so large amount of $ right: |
| 09:22.44 | MaemohammadAG | ffmpeg, got it |
| 09:22.53 | MaemohammadAG | gonna convert it to mp3 only |
| 09:22.58 | MaemohammadAG | it's sufficient |
| 09:26.31 | MaemohammadAG | anything like pastebin but for audio :p |
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| 09:27.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | MaemohammadAG: IroN900:/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator# echo 64 >brightness |
| 09:28.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | operates vibrator for half a second (no clue which nasty daemon dares to stop it after that period) |
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| 09:28.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | need root to do |
| 09:28.56 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: mce controls it |
| 09:29.14 | cehteh | in /etc/mce/mce.conf you can configure vibator patterns |
| 09:29.45 | MohammadAG | not found ? |
| 09:29.46 | cehteh | (and turn vibration for incoming emails off) |
| 09:29.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: I know. But how may MCE dare to reset the brightness setting after some 500ms? o.O |
| 09:30.23 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: its a free running microcontroler for vibrator and leds .. which constantly doing some works |
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| 09:30.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: sudo gainroot; cd /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator |
| 09:30.44 | cehteh | and is updated every now and then by mce, 500ms is just a coincidence |
| 09:30.54 | RevdKathy | Hooray! I'm back! |
| 09:31.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, you missed a space |
| 09:31.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | howdy RevdKathy |
| 09:31.54 | MohammadAG | twl4030\:vibrator* |
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| 09:32.11 | RevdKathy | Hi! Sorry -been missing a few days cos my 30 days expired. |
| 09:32.17 | rkc_ | hi adeus.. |
| 09:32.19 | MohammadAG | actually not a space, just a \ |
| 09:32.28 | Stskeeps | morning RevdKathy |
| 09:32.34 | RevdKathy | Just checking I'm back before I go do Other Stuff |
| 09:32.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh c+p error |
| 09:32.37 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: for me it works endlessly ... or at least far longer than 500ms |
| 09:32.47 | RevdKathy | Wanted to eb sure it was All Working |
| 09:32.54 | RevdKathy | and it is. :) |
| 09:33.00 | RevdKathy | I'll shut up now. |
| 09:33.06 | rkc_ | hi guys.. i am trying to create debian package for my qt app.. |
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| 09:33.34 | rkc_ | my .pro file is created using qmake -project command |
| 09:33.49 | rkc_ | but i need to add some more fields in that .pro file after creation |
| 09:33.53 | rkc_ | can i automate this?? |
| 09:34.15 | rkc_ | i mean.. my qmake -project should do the required additon |
| 09:34.19 | rkc_ | how to do this? |
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| 09:34.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | tzzz. for me it works as long as a keep enter pressed in xterm WTF?! |
| 09:35.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah I have ts-vibr click. prolly something around that interferes |
| 09:35.40 | cehteh | many actions on the device disable it (or rather let mce update its state) |
| 09:35.53 | cehteh | tapping screen, locking/unlocking |
| 09:36.00 | cehteh | yes |
| 09:36.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly :) |
| 09:36.51 | cehteh | same for leds |
| 09:37.23 | cehteh | unless mce thinks it needs to update the uC registers you can play with them but any update will push your settings out |
| 09:37.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually vibr *is* a "LED" :-P |
| 09:37.53 | guido_g | anyone tried to have a sdhc card with ext[23] fs? |
| 09:37.57 | cehteh | well actually its a sound chip .. but uhm :) |
| 09:38.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | always gone LOL on that |
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| 09:39.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | guido_g: hmm? You prolly need to mount manually |
| 09:39.24 | cehteh | hacked some important things at his mce.conf .. defaults suck somewhat |
| 09:39.36 | guido_g | DocScrutinizer51: ahh thx |
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| 09:42.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | MaemohammadAG: if you hear the "mosquito sound" but get no vibration, most likely fault is some debris is blocking the excenter and thus stops rotation |
| 09:44.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, most probable reason for that is? |
| 09:44.06 | MohammadAG | cause it happened on day 2 |
| 09:44.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | MaemohammadAG: or maybe vibr motor block not seated nicely so excenter collides with case somewhere |
| 09:44.22 | MohammadAG | and I'm not shipping it to the US to get it fixed then pay customs tax again |
| 09:44.38 | MohammadAG | a fix is much cheaper, even if it's not covered by warranty |
| 09:45.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | MaemohammadAG: http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-news/nokia-n900-disassembly/ |
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| 09:46.15 | MohammadAG | seen that |
| 09:46.33 | MohammadAG | also looked at the disassembly guides |
| 09:46.42 | MohammadAG | service manuals level 1 & 2 |
| 09:47.03 | MohammadAG | couldn't find this anywhere in israel T6 Screwdriver |
| 09:47.09 | MohammadAG | needed it for the N95 |
| 09:47.16 | Stskeeps | it was a bit of a bitch to find a T4/T6, yeah |
| 09:49.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: MaemohammadAG: TX6? no problem here in Germany. You get with each 12pcs screwdriver set for 8 bucks in the supermarket |
| 09:49.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | well almost |
| 09:50.04 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i have it now, yeah |
| 09:50.08 | Stskeeps | after a good bunch of searching |
| 09:51.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, that's Germany, this is israel :p |
| 09:51.21 | xorAxAx | maybe dealextreme has some |
| 09:52.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: you got the bomb, we not. So you should assume you also can get TX6 over there ;-D |
| 09:52.32 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 09:53.51 | LuciusMare_n900 | hi |
| 09:53.53 | ccooke | huh. |
| 09:54.20 | ccooke | I've seen people talk about using the nokia software updater with the n900... but Nokia don't appear to provide it for that |
| 09:54.53 | ccooke | (as in, there's no link to download when you select the n900 on the software updatrer page) |
| 09:55.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, haven't seen any mention of the vibration motor |
| 09:55.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 09:55.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | me either |
| 09:55.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's too simple |
| 09:55.34 | MohammadAG | any chance it's on the mobo itself? |
| 09:55.44 | MohammadAG | like soldered or non user accessable? |
| 09:56.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, http://rapidshare.com/files/332589115/100_0309.MOV |
| 09:56.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually a small motor in a rubber blockwith two springs to contact mobo |
| 09:56.21 | MohammadAG | sorry about rapidshare, but youtube seems to be down for me |
| 09:56.35 | MohammadAG | if u want I'll trafficshare it |
| 09:57.01 | MohammadAG | actually, nvm, close it and reopen the page |
| 09:57.03 | MohammadAG | trafficshared |
| 09:57.44 | MohammadAG | video isn't something useful, just a non focused close up of the keyboard to record the sound |
| 09:59.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, downloaded? |
| 10:00.00 | LuciusMare_n900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.01 | LuciusMare_n900 | Failed to open connection to session message bus: (null) |
| 10:00.18 | LuciusMare_n900 | >_< |
| 10:00.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah 'not enough space in /var/tmp' |
| 10:00.26 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:00.32 | MohammadAG | why /var/tmp? |
| 10:02.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsck!!! sorry now maemo microb refuses to download it. Recommends to store any other place but doesn't allow to do so |
| 10:02.38 | LuciusMare_n900 | fsck? |
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| 10:02.58 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_n900, it's like CHKDSK for linux |
| 10:03.02 | MohammadAG | only better |
| 10:03.12 | LuciusMare_n900 | what does fscking have to do with microb? |
| 10:03.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's like darn for syops |
| 10:03.29 | MohammadAG | seems that his MyDocs partition is broken |
| 10:03.37 | LuciusMare_n900 | oh |
| 10:03.38 | MohammadAG | damn FAT |
| 10:03.56 | LuciusMare_n900 | SLIM isn't much better |
| 10:04.24 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:04.36 | MohammadAG | I'd consider formatting it into ext3 |
| 10:04.48 | MohammadAG | but it's the damn camera app that's preventing me from doing it |
| 10:05.02 | LuciusMare_n900 | hah...wait,what? |
| 10:05.05 | MohammadAG | although I could make it save on the microSD card |
| 10:05.24 | LuciusMare_n900 | camera app cant save to ext3? |
| 10:05.29 | MohammadAG | the camera app only support FAT, it doesn't support ext3 |
| 10:05.36 | MohammadAG | ironic, right? |
| 10:05.44 | LuciusMare_n900 | kinda |
| 10:06.07 | LuciusMare_n900 | but you could make a partition only for photos... :P |
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| 10:06.28 | MohammadAG | and if it ran out while I'm out without a laptop and I needed to use the camera :p |
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| 10:06.55 | doc|home | then you use your netbook |
| 10:07.00 | LuciusMare_n900 | anyway,i wonder, shouldn't it just call save(filename) instead of using fs specific tools? |
| 10:07.01 | doc|home | duh! :) |
| 10:07.17 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:07.52 | MohammadAG | "A fat partition is needed to be mounted in ~/MyDocs, otherwise Nokia N900's camera will not save pictures." |
| 10:08.18 | MohammadAG | I can use my microSD card though |
| 10:08.24 | MohammadAG | 16GBs are enough, I think |
| 10:08.25 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 10:08.33 | cehteh | huh? |
| 10:08.34 | LuciusMare_n900 | slaps nokia with a large trout |
| 10:08.37 | cehteh | i feel thats strange |
| 10:08.41 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:08.47 | cehteh | how did you find out? |
| 10:09.01 | MohammadAG | about the camera thing, it's all over the internet |
| 10:09.07 | cehteh | and what does the camera app need to know about the filesystem |
| 10:09.26 | LuciusMare_n900 | i am not surprised |
| 10:09.26 | MohammadAG | http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9ARepartition%20the%20Nokia%20N900.html |
| 10:09.35 | LuciusMare_n900 | cehteh: exactly |
| 10:09.59 | MohammadAG | it's on tmo too, that's just a first/second/third result from google |
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| 10:10.51 | LuciusMare_n900 | anybody yet found out how to reset the data gprs counter every month? |
| 10:11.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think the fstype doesn't care for camera. It cares for automount of MyDocs though,@as well as for mass storage gadget |
| 10:11.16 | MohammadAG | flash the device and eMMC :p |
| 10:11.53 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare_n900, you can do it manually |
| 10:12.01 | MohammadAG | in settings > phone > data counter > reset |
| 10:12.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsck.vfat to the rescue |
| 10:12.16 | LuciusMare_n900 | MohammadAG: i know,that's exavtly what i dont want to do |
| 10:12.36 | MohammadAG | lol then it's in settings |
| 10:12.48 | LuciusMare_n900 | if there would be a command to reset it... |
| 10:13.11 | MohammadAG | never really read the whole tutorial, did he just move the /home directory somewhere else? |
| 10:13.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: no luck with dbus-monitor? |
| 10:13.45 | LuciusMare_n900 | i caught it once,but it doesnt seem to repeat |
| 10:14.13 | LuciusMare_n900 | i try root dbus-monitor,normal user dbusmonitor, systembus... nothing |
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| 10:14.26 | LuciusMare_n900 | and i dont know how to resend it |
| 10:15.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | dbus-send and then guess the parameters from dbus-monitor log |
| 10:15.57 | LuciusMare_n900 | and it does not appear,as i said |
| 10:16.11 | LuciusMare_n900 | in systembus there is so much i dont know what one it really is |
| 10:16.18 | LuciusMare_n900 | and the messages always change |
| 10:16.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | o.O |
| 10:16.42 | MohammadAG | bbl in a bit |
| 10:16.46 | MohammadAG | or longer :p |
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| 10:19.53 | LuciusMare_n900 | though it sends some messages when opening the monitor, i see there ip adress,interface name (gprs0) and so |
| 10:20.04 | LuciusMare_n900 | but no "meter-reset" or so |
| 10:21.34 | LuciusMare_n900 | hm,it seems to send these containing ip no matter what i do |
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| 10:23.01 | PaveH | I have text interface nethack installed to my N900, do you think it's possible to install the Qt interface? |
| 10:23.43 | LuciusMare_n900 | and no looking like to have something in common with the meter,are you sure it sends the reset over dbus? |
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| 10:28.04 | gilead | hi |
| 10:28.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: I just checked myself. Also can't find any related dbus action |
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| 10:29.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: so strace is your best bet for now it seems |
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| 10:31.39 | frals | looks around for RevdKathy |
| 10:31.56 | RevdKathy | I'm here! |
| 10:32.22 | RevdKathy | frals - I'm here and even vaguely awake! |
| 10:33.06 | frals | same as me then ;) |
| 10:33.14 | frals | would you like to get started? :) |
| 10:33.35 | RevdKathy | I'm ready! Just swapping the 'receiving card' into the n95 |
| 10:33.54 | RevdKathy | My wifi is down so all being done over network, |
| 10:34.49 | frals | Okey, might be interesting as you need to switch between different connections, but we can try anyway if you want? ;) |
| 10:35.08 | RevdKathy | frals: the guys here will confirm i'm inordinately stupid. You need to explain every step |
| 10:35.13 | RevdKathy | we'll see what happens! |
| 10:35.20 | gilead | I installed the IRC plugin for contacts and conversation on my N900. How to I join a room? |
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| 10:35.40 | frals | no worries i'll go slow, mind if we switch to a query (private) instead not to bother everyone else? |
| 10:35.52 | RevdKathy | nope that's fine |
| 10:38.47 | wazd_ | heya maemo |
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| 10:52.17 | micke | Im trying to promote a package to extras-testing http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libao0/0.8.8-5maemo2/ |
| 10:52.31 | micke | But i cant get in |
| 10:52.33 | micke | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php on line 457 |
| 10:53.08 | xorAxAx | micke: the builder is broken, maybe the promote action does an RPC to the builder and fails |
| 10:53.14 | micke | I can get to other packages though, like http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/fmms/0.1.3 |
| 10:53.37 | xorAxAx | hmm |
| 10:53.40 | micke | I have been trying for over a week, same problem always with libao0 |
| 10:53.43 | xorAxAx | maybe X-Fade knows |
| 10:54.04 | xorAxAx | hehe, what is bahnhof.se, micke? |
| 10:54.22 | micke | xorAxAx my ISP |
| 10:55.58 | xorAxAx | bahnhof means järnvägsstation in german :) |
| 10:56.13 | micke | I know :) |
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| 11:00.35 | micke | I am now told I dont need to promote libs, taht they are autopromoted when you promote packages that depend on them. Maybe thats the problem? |
| 11:01.31 | wazd_ | has rendered 0.5 second of water effect for boot video... |
| 11:09.19 | pupnik | germans are toe cut offers |
| 11:09.48 | pupnik | self. |
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| 11:11.29 | _jhp | hi. i'm now chatting on my n900 |
| 11:11.41 | _jhp | :-) |
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| 11:12.43 | _jhp | are their more people where some conversations can't be deleted from the conversations? |
| 11:13.37 | _jhp | I can delete all the content. but the conversation is kept. |
| 11:13.59 | pupnik | because they are still a contact |
| 11:15.30 | _jhp | so on the long run your conversation window gets cluthered with a conversation for every contact you have? |
| 11:16.24 | _jhp | that is strange because I have also conversations that I could remove while the contact is still their. |
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| 11:30.36 | hrw|gone | Stskeeps: no, it was removed by someone |
| 11:30.43 | hrw|gone | Stskeeps: ugly... |
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| 11:31.41 | Stskeeps | hrw|gone: hmm, that isn't usual practice |
| 11:31.54 | Stskeeps | hrw|gone: might be a fluke due to server move |
| 11:32.20 | hrw|gone | Stskeeps: or someone at nokia wants to hide such requests |
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| 11:32.55 | cehteh | hmpf .. accelerometer is wrong again |
| 11:33.09 | hrw|gone | Stskeeps: nope - server move used old backup |
| 11:33.18 | hrw|gone | 7780 is from today |
| 11:33.23 | hrw|gone | so we lost some bugs |
| 11:34.21 | Stskeeps | hrw|gone: hmm, yeah, something looks lost |
| 11:34.25 | Stskeeps | doubt it's malice though |
| 11:34.51 | hrw|gone | Stskeeps: bug was assigned to quim |
| 11:34.57 | hrw|gone | ------- Comment #1 from aklapper@openismus.com |
| 11:34.57 | hrw|gone | 2010-01-09 00:25 GMT+3 ------- |
| 11:34.57 | hrw|gone | Added the Calendar to the list at |
| 11:34.57 | hrw|gone | http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages#Waiting_list |
| 11:34.57 | hrw|gone | Assigning to Quim to get the reasons why this is |
| 11:35.01 | hrw|gone | closed source, or why Nokia |
| 11:35.04 | hrw|gone | *maybe* plans to keep this closed source. |
| 11:35.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, but it shouldn't disappear for that reason :P |
| 11:35.32 | hrw|gone | Stskeeps: I think that it is just a mistake - someone forgot to make dump of bugzilla state |
| 11:35.41 | PaulFertser | Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, eh? |
| 11:35.41 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:35.58 | cehteh | reboot. .. |
| 11:36.06 | Stskeeps | 'default rule to have the UI application layer closed.' would probably be the end reason, but calendar might be a good thing to see community innovation in |
| 11:36.09 | Stskeeps | since it's fresh, not legacy |
| 11:37.53 | hrw|gone | calendar UI is simply broken |
| 11:38.14 | hrw|gone | I have a bunch of screenshots to report bugs about calendar ui |
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| 11:38.39 | hrw|gone | multiple days event suxx in week view, month view do not show what time of day event is |
| 11:38.57 | LuciusMare | hi,is it safe to carry a n900 around in -5 Celsius? |
| 11:39.03 | hrw|gone | instead they show 5 events on day - handy calendar, sbsh calendar on s60 is better |
| 11:39.05 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: works for me |
| 11:39.08 | hrw|gone | LuciusMare: I did on -14°C |
| 11:39.15 | LuciusMare | wow |
| 11:39.29 | Stskeeps | keyboard is a bit annoying with gloves but so it goes |
| 11:39.35 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: that "default" rule doesn't sound to be in line with general "maemo is open-source platform for collaboration" mantra :( |
| 11:39.50 | hrw|gone | LuciusMare: but it was in case under jacket (on a belt) |
| 11:39.50 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: -platform- |
| 11:39.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:39.51 | PaulFertser | So it probably shouldn't be spoken openly about. |
| 11:40.09 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: default rule is expressed in WTCP :/ |
| 11:40.10 | LuciusMare | hrw|gone: case? that leather one? |
| 11:40.25 | hrw|gone | PaulFertser: maemo is opensource broken-by-design platform |
| 11:40.34 | hrw|gone | LuciusMare: yes - krussel hector one |
| 11:40.59 | LuciusMare | I got one from nokia,its just a leather pocket |
| 11:41.21 | LuciusMare | brb |
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| 11:41.32 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: well, platform doesn't worth a lot without good apps based on it. And it doesn't even matter much because nokia UI apps that run on maemo are inevitably associated with maemo itself. Hence you get the irritation. Especially when a core app (planner/calendar) is foobared and purposedely closed. |
| 11:41.54 | xorAxAx | what does "UI differentiation." mean? |
| 11:42.12 | xorAxAx | on the page http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 11:42.16 | cehteh | "we do anything different to prooven standards" :) |
| 11:42.18 | hrw|gone | xorAxAx: it means: we designed it not someone else |
| 11:42.21 | PaulFertser | hrw|gone: broken by design indeed though somehow many #maemo inhabitants do not agree and argue all the time about it :| |
| 11:42.51 | hrw|gone | xorAxAx: and also 'we designed it and will not change beyond our design document never mind how much errors we did' |
| 11:43.11 | hrw|gone | PaulFertser: sure. |
| 11:43.33 | cehteh | i can live with maemo being a platform on its own .. but that some core apps are so much fuba is pita |
| 11:43.48 | hrw|gone | PaulFertser: but I am sick of ~/MyDocs/.* folders which are shown as other folders (.documents -> Documents etc), no access to other folders by default... |
| 11:43.49 | cehteh | nokia selled the device already, whats their motivation to improve it? |
| 11:44.02 | hrw|gone | cehteh: s/selled/sold |
| 11:44.04 | SpeedEvil | wazd: water effect - is this related to my comments on accellerometer driven water effects of a couple of days ago? |
| 11:44.28 | pekuja | hrw|gone: how good of a fit is the Krusell Hector for an N900? |
| 11:44.46 | hrw|gone | pekuja: perfect and headphones are available |
| 11:44.50 | cehteh | calendar and mail are close to unuseable .. for anyone who wants to do serious things its pretty much unuseable at the current state |
| 11:45.22 | pekuja | hrw|gone: ah, so there's a bit of extra room for the headphone jack then, or is there a hole for it? |
| 11:45.22 | hrw|gone | cehteh: calendar suxx but is a bit usable. email is not usable at all |
| 11:45.28 | hrw|gone | pekuja: space |
| 11:45.32 | hrw|gone | not hole |
| 11:45.58 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: yeah. |
| 11:46.00 | pekuja | hrw|gone: ok. doesn't the phone wobble in the case without headphones then? |
| 11:46.01 | cehteh | hrw|gone: well shifts between usage patterns for some people mail is barely useable and calendar is completely unuseable |
| 11:46.12 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I wanted to set a recurring biweekly apointment with the binmen,. |
| 11:46.21 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: can't. |
| 11:46.21 | hrw|gone | pekuja: fits perfectly and do not move in case |
| 11:46.35 | hrw|gone | cehteh: sure |
| 11:46.39 | cehteh | hey my newton 15 years ago had global search and a agent which could do fancy context sensitive things |
| 11:46.42 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: also you can't set an alarm for - say - 3h before an appointment |
| 11:46.44 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, water effect? |
| 11:47.06 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: and you have to schedule all todo's instead having just a list |
| 11:47.07 | hrw|gone | cehteh: for me calendar is not usable for most of my events as they have maemo-not-compatible alarm times or repeats |
| 11:47.17 | lcuk | i hope all these limitations have associated bugs filed against them and arent just gripes btw |
| 11:47.19 | cehteh | i just using emacs org-mode |
| 11:47.28 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I when very tired the other night was musing about a fountain app, with accellerometer compatibility |
| 11:47.31 | hrw|gone | lcuk: most have |
| 11:47.41 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, install liqflow |
| 11:47.43 | lcuk | and play |
| 11:47.47 | cehteh | well i send my device back next week and lets see about replacement |
| 11:47.52 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: generallky, I can't be arsed. |
| 11:47.58 | SpeedEvil | lcuk\ |
| 11:48.07 | SpeedEvil | I should be better at filing bugs. |
| 11:48.09 | lcuk | ok hrw |
| 11:48.17 | lcuk | yes, you should SpeedEvil |
| 11:48.27 | hrw|gone | lcuk: anyway I am waiting for pr1.5 to get them fixed |
| 11:48.31 | cehteh | i guess the n900 is still the best one can get when he wants a free phone, but its a shame that there are so much roadblocks still |
| 11:48.32 | SpeedEvil | Also getting wion'tfixed a couple of times annioys., |
| 11:48.33 | pekuja | hrw|gone: I have to think "perfect fit" and "roomy enough for headphones" can't both be true |
| 11:48.38 | PaulFertser | lcuk: filing bugs about proprietary software on a public bug-tracker that is not directly related to it is a miserable thing to do :| |
| 11:48.44 | lcuk | there is no way a dev can do anything about gripes in irc or tmo even if they wanted to |
| 11:48.48 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: also - there is a good open-source solution. cron. |
| 11:48.59 | lcuk | no PaulFertser i would expect same bugs for open or closed stuff |
| 11:49.17 | hrw|gone | pekuja: it does not move in case, is hard to get out (hole in bottom helps) and have space for headphones jack. best for you would be to try it at some gsm shop |
| 11:49.27 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: and alarmd takes lots more ram than cron in my RAM too |
| 11:49.32 | pekuja | hrw|gone: hmm, ok |
| 11:49.36 | pekuja | hrw|gone: thanks |
| 11:49.52 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: i would like something more integrated, global search, different scheduling policies, add hyperlinks between apps |
| 11:49.53 | lcuk | PaulFertser, the bug reports help to focus the issues and reduce feature/scope creep |
| 11:50.04 | lcuk | and that does not matter about its open/closed status |
| 11:50.05 | PaulFertser | lcuk: open stuff has open repository, open todo list and the devs who actually use the bugtracker in question. Nokia using internal bugtracking and "we do not talk about features policies" is nothing like that. Nokia just frustrates their users by this kind of policies. And i'm afraid telling people to file bugs sometimes is not beneficial. |
| 11:50.07 | hrw|gone | pekuja: I used krussel 'M' case with nokia e66 and just checked hector (which is 'L' size) for n900 |
| 11:50.24 | pekuja | I currently have the official case, which is fine, but doesn't allow headphone use and is basically just a pouch anyhow |
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| 11:50.33 | PaulFertser | lcuk: ask Stskeeps, he knows what i'm talking about. |
| 11:50.37 | pekuja | although obviously a perfect fit |
| 11:50.44 | lcuk | PaulFertser, i know what you are talking about too |
| 11:50.53 | hrw|gone | pekuja: I have such one for nokia e66 |
| 11:51.02 | wazd | SpeedEvil: sorry, no :) |
| 11:51.10 | lcuk | hiya wazd |
| 11:51.17 | wazd | lcuk: hey |
| 11:51.27 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: in newton os there was an assistant where you could handwrite! "call mommy" or "email paul" or "search todo project foobar" and it did the expected action 15 years ago! |
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| 11:51.30 | pekuja | I also got a Golla Stunt pouch as a gift. It's made out of textile, but is really nice. The only problem is that it's just a tad too small. :-/ |
| 11:51.41 | hrw|gone | PaulFertser: I agree with you that maemo situation when it comes to nokia stuff suxx badly. too bad that nokia did not learnt anything since os2005 was released |
| 11:51.44 | lcuk | cehteh, :D |
| 11:52.04 | cehteh | things got more fancy but not more intelligent nowadays |
| 11:52.08 | pekuja | I can just fit the N900 in the pouch, but it's not comfortable to use |
| 11:52.17 | lcuk | PaulFertser, if you file a bug about an open source project, are you guaranteed it will be fixed? |
| 11:52.18 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I do wonder why apple hasn'r ripped all of the nice stuff out of the newton and polished it. |
| 11:52.19 | hrw|gone | btw - is there a way to search on n900 for something? |
| 11:52.22 | cehteh | pekuja: i have a perfect pouch :) |
| 11:52.29 | cehteh | hrw|gone: grep :) |
| 11:52.31 | pekuja | cehteh: what kind? |
| 11:52.33 | hrw|gone | like 'search for contacts, music, images, calendar events' in one? |
| 11:52.35 | SpeedEvil | hrw|gone: grep -R |
| 11:52.37 | cehteh | self build :) |
| 11:52.37 | hrw|gone | cehteh: haha |
| 11:52.49 | pekuja | cehteh: oh, nice |
| 11:52.51 | pekuja | cehteh: got pics? |
| 11:53.03 | hrw|gone | there is a tracker in system but does not have any use basically |
| 11:53.25 | cehteh | http://lumiera.org/n900_case1.jpg .. to case4.jpg |
| 11:53.39 | cehteh | thats the prototype .. i already made a better one and using it now |
| 11:53.50 | lcuk | cehteh, someone stole a bit of your pouch |
| 11:53.58 | cehteh | the cammera hole is a bit off on the first one |
| 11:54.10 | hrw|gone | protos... on desk I have a proto of my beagleboard expansion board |
| 11:54.31 | arachnist | cehteh: what material is that? |
| 11:54.35 | PaulFertser | lcuk: i'm guaranteed the devs will actually read it. And most sane devs usually respond with justifications even if it's WONTFIX. Here you have "we do not talk about features" policy and that's a kind of thing that can be used a showstopper to almost any sane discussion. |
| 11:54.37 | lcuk | has a silly prototype on desk |
| 11:54.50 | cehteh | vacuformed ABS shells and neoprene |
| 11:55.10 | hrw|gone | PaulFertser: we do not talk about features and about release cycles |
| 11:55.23 | pekuja | cehteh: cool. what's it made of? |
| 11:55.26 | lcuk | PaulFertser, you arent guaranteed the devs will read it |
| 11:55.31 | cehteh | see above |
| 11:55.39 | pekuja | ah |
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| 11:56.00 | xorAxAx | cehteh: how much is the prototype? :) |
| 11:56.07 | PaulFertser | lcuk: well, with sane projects it's usually the case |
| 11:56.08 | SpeedEvil | http://www.shapeways.com/materials/fullcolor |
| 11:56.15 | SpeedEvil | would be awesome for this sort of stuff |
| 11:56.18 | cehteh | i have photos from the making-of want to make a webpage for that |
| 11:56.22 | SpeedEvil | but only non-funcrional protos |
| 11:56.33 | cehteh | xorAxAx: how much would you offer? :) |
| 11:56.39 | PaulFertser | hrw|gone: one can claim that some unfortunate fuckup is not a bug and is just a "lack of feature" and that they do not discuss features and timeframes. |
| 11:56.46 | cehteh | i can auction it |
| 11:57.01 | hrw|gone | PaulFertser: which is polite version of 'bug off sucker' |
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| 11:57.27 | xorAxAx | cehteh: i dont participate in free market auctions |
| 11:57.36 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, haha ive got a prototype for something else that has full color stuff like that on screen lol http://liqbase.net/liq.adhoc.stand.front.20100104_004.jpg |
| 11:57.38 | PaulFertser | hrw|gone: yes and this process is something lcuk somehow advocates... |
| 11:57.43 | lcuk | that block of yours looks cool |
| 11:57.53 | xorAxAx | uploaded opie to the builder |
| 11:58.32 | hrw|gone | xorAxAx: but not opie as 'Open Palmtop Integrated Environment'? |
| 11:58.46 | wazd | 1 stone = 6.35029318 kilograms |
| 11:58.56 | wazd | thanks, Google! |
| 11:58.59 | xorAxAx | one time passwords in everything, hrw|gone |
| 11:59.10 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: 400+dpi solid colour is just so awesome. It would be completely awesome if it was in a nice strong plastic |
| 11:59.32 | SpeedEvil | realises he has lost two stone due to n900. |
| 11:59.34 | SpeedEvil | woo. |
| 11:59.50 | SpeedEvil | The buy hardware and not be able to afford food diet! |
| 11:59.55 | SpeedEvil | (well - not quite) |
| 11:59.57 | lcuk | nice |
| 12:00.42 | micke | xorAxAx can that be used by apps to store passwords, i.e. is that a key ring? |
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| 12:00.44 | lcuk | PaulFertser, i merely said file instead of griping and the people that matter might see them, if you feel thats not a way then i know theres 0 chance that any dev in a place to do anything will ever see your issues |
| 12:00.50 | hrw|gone | bye |
| 12:00.58 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: a platform is normally defined as the OS on which apps run, i'd say |
| 12:01.39 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand are terms i normally use |
| 12:01.50 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: traditional unix understanding of OS is kernel+middleware+UI. UI is inherently a part of OS if you define it the traditional unix way. BSD Unix included quite some games as part of the core OS. |
| 12:01.54 | micke | xorAxAx cause I started writing one yesterday in c++... |
| 12:02.33 | PaulFertser | lcuk: well, the way you said it sounded somehow counter-productive to me, sorry, probably that's my personal misunderstanding. |
| 12:02.50 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: while i think it's silly to not publish any apps, that's their current rule :P |
| 12:03.53 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: anyway, this is what we are going to work on, so each side has clear understanding of what can be done and what can't |
| 12:04.02 | Stskeeps | and hopefully evolve what -can- be done over time |
| 12:04.07 | lcuk | +1 |
| 12:04.14 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i know |
| 12:04.15 | xorAxAx | micke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPIE_Authentication_System |
| 12:05.11 | Stskeeps | (i wouldn't mind seeing fremantle get more and more open due to the fact most of the apps would be scrapped in the qt based maemo) |
| 12:05.15 | v2px | fennec 1.0 is there - but it doesn't work on my n900 :( |
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| 12:20.44 | lcuk | mornin VDVsx, illustrious leader of the maemo grey council. |
| 12:20.52 | ifreq | lol |
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| 12:21.37 | VDVsx | morning lcuk |
| 12:21.51 | VDVsx | already drinking ? :p |
| 12:22.00 | lcuk | heh, just watching more babylong 5 |
| 12:22.03 | lcuk | babylon 5 |
| 12:22.28 | lcuk | Delenn "I am Grey. I stand between the candle and the star. We are Grey. We stand between the darkness and the light." |
| 12:22.42 | VDVsx | lol |
| 12:22.46 | lcuk | still gets shivers from that show |
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| 12:25.24 | Mozillion | :) |
| 12:25.51 | ifreq | is it on bluray yet? |
| 12:26.39 | lcuk | dunno ifreq |
| 12:27.43 | ifreq | 5 seasons aye? |
| 12:28.05 | ifreq | ah seems so |
| 12:28.06 | ifreq | bbl |
| 12:28.35 | SpeedEvil | As long as you forget the dodgy spin-off. |
| 12:29.29 | lcuk | i never really liked the 5th series |
| 12:29.41 | lcuk | it felt like the end of the 4th was tying off |
| 12:29.51 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning crusade |
| 12:30.04 | lcuk | throws up on crusade |
| 12:32.55 | frals | throws up on UK carriers and their weird MMS settings |
| 12:33.06 | lcuk | throws up on frals |
| 12:33.24 | frals | oi! :( |
| 12:33.30 | lcuk | haha :D |
| 12:34.34 | lcuk | frals i wonder whether theres a database somewhere of all the operators settings |
| 12:35.08 | frals | would be nice with a reliable database yeah |
| 12:35.24 | frals | as ive found that lots of sites list different settings for the same operator >_< |
| 12:35.47 | lcuk | yeah |
| 12:36.04 | lcuk | i think theres similar things with the mobile bb settings |
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| 12:38.12 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 12:38.21 | lcuk | hey RST38h |
| 12:38.40 | RST38h | lcuk: hey, how are things? |
| 12:38.43 | lcuk | i tihnk at the moment greetings should include location and temperature |
| 12:38.47 | lcuk | how cold is it where you are? |
| 12:38.54 | lcuk | they are goin ok, ive had sleeps |
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| 12:40.17 | PaulFertser | I've heard Ireland schools are closed due to the "cold" weather, -12C, LOL |
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| 12:40.33 | VDVsx | morning lcuk , PT, 6ºc :D |
| 12:40.41 | VDVsx | like that ? |
| 12:40.45 | lcuk | /kick VDVsx |
| 12:40.50 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 12:41.17 | VDVsx | coufh |
| 12:41.18 | RST38h | lcuk: -9oC |
| 12:41.20 | frals | morning lcuk, SE, -12 C |
| 12:41.22 | lcuk | trembles |
| 12:41.22 | frals | ;-) |
| 12:41.25 | RST38h | lcuk: sunny |
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| 12:41.41 | RST38h | actually, it is sunset already |
| 12:41.41 | ifreq | FI, Helsinki, -13 C |
| 12:41.51 | till- | de, -2 C |
| 12:42.07 | Veggen | around -12 here too. |
| 12:42.13 | lcuk | manchester uk, -2 |
| 12:42.23 | Veggen | (NO, Bergen= |
| 12:42.39 | lcuk | ie, bloody cold everywhere \@/ |
| 12:42.58 | RST38h | -9C is pretty nice |
| 12:43.11 | RST38h | cold comes tomorrow (-20C) |
| 12:43.27 | VDVsx | is the only one without negative temp :D |
| 12:43.45 | v2px | shuuun |
| 12:43.58 | RST38h | "Nokia talk to us!" Join Date: Dec 2009 |
| 12:44.24 | RST38h | "Nokia needs to change" Join Date: Dec 2009 |
| 12:44.51 | VDVsx | TMO ? |
| 12:45.01 | RST38h | VDVsx: Andy80 bragged about +1 in Andalusia (I think) |
| 12:45.05 | RST38h | +10 |
| 12:45.10 | RST38h | VDVsx: what else? |
| 12:45.14 | crashanddie | I got stuck in the mountains |
| 12:45.19 | crashanddie | had to spend the night in a shelter |
| 12:45.39 | crashanddie | Helped police and fire brigade digging out cars, getting people to safety |
| 12:45.50 | crashanddie | 30cm fell in about 4 hours |
| 12:45.50 | wazd | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=460955&postcount=19 |
| 12:45.54 | lcuk | where are you crash? |
| 12:46.10 | crashanddie | lcuk: still stuck in Perpignan, was supposed to fly back to the UK on Tuesday |
| 12:46.12 | lcuk | andi bet that was hard work |
| 12:46.13 | RST38h | wazd: =) |
| 12:46.26 | v2px | wazd: screenie pls :) |
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| 12:46.47 | crashanddie | lcuk: worst part was when temperature dipped to -17 during a flash-freeze |
| 12:47.02 | crashanddie | only lasted for about 20 minutes, but just enough to freeze everything up |
| 12:47.15 | wazd | v2px: first post |
| 12:47.33 | wazd | v2px: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/2010-ui-countdown-7-%E2%80%93-marina-theme/ |
| 12:47.36 | v2px | aww sweet |
| 12:47.39 | v2px | thanks |
| 12:48.01 | lcuk | crashanddie, brrr |
| 12:48.28 | cehteh | http://git.pipapo.org/n900case/n900_shell.html |
| 12:48.43 | cehteh | so :) my first website |
| 12:48.50 | cehteh | (not really) |
| 12:52.04 | lcuk | cehteh, is that on planet? |
| 12:52.09 | lcuk | thats rly rly cool |
| 12:52.18 | cehteh | planet? |
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| 12:52.39 | cehteh | just made that page |
| 12:52.41 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 12:52.46 | cehteh | nope |
| 12:52.53 | RST38h | lcuk: Oh btw |
| 12:53.31 | RST38h | lcuk: See anything familiar: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/08/ions-itype-full-sized-iphone-keyboard-could-be-great-if-it-werent-for-apple/ |
| 12:53.42 | neal | I just noticed that I had <1MB of space on my / partition available |
| 12:53.45 | crashanddie | would someone please ban OrangeBox from tmo already? |
| 12:53.58 | neal | as I heard this could result in bricking the device, I'm trying to remove stuff |
| 12:54.03 | RST38h | crash: He wil reapper under a different nickname |
| 12:54.08 | neal | apt-cache clean did not help |
| 12:54.27 | neal | is there a way to identify / hogs? |
| 12:54.29 | RST38h | crash: the only way to really get rid of him is to make him see his own posts but not anyone else |
| 12:54.33 | micke | crashanddie: he is a great source of amusement though :) |
| 12:54.48 | crashanddie | reaper? He's the guy with the scythe? |
| 12:54.55 | neal | du -x / | sort -n shows me that Nokia did not take optifying their software seriously |
| 12:55.18 | crashanddie | micke: no, he's annoying and damaging the community |
| 12:55.23 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Google Nexus One Carries $174.15 Materials Cost, iSuppli Teardown Reveals |
| 12:55.58 | cehteh | lcuk: how does one get something posted to planet? |
| 12:56.14 | micke | crashanddie: But he is such an obvious troll, if no one would talk to him hed go away |
| 12:56.28 | lcuk | RST38h, http://liqbase.net/liq.n810.laptopmode.20080305.S6002381.JPG :D |
| 12:56.29 | crashanddie | micke: just make him go away |
| 12:56.34 | RST38h | micke: and how do you intend to achieve that? |
| 12:56.46 | lcuk | cehteh, link on the right about aggregate your blog |
| 12:56.54 | RST38h | lcuk: omg ask'em for royalties! |
| 12:57.07 | cehteh | thats not really a blog |
| 12:57.10 | micke | RST38h: by not biting on his flames? |
| 12:57.41 | crashanddie | micke & RST38h: Just close all of his threads |
| 12:57.45 | RST38h | micke: Are you going to make every tmo reader stop biting on his flames? |
| 12:57.48 | frals | lol lcuk |
| 12:58.02 | RST38h | crash: No, he will notice and change username |
| 12:58.14 | crashanddie | so? I can spot his threads within millions |
| 12:58.19 | RST38h | crash: The REAL solution is to make his posts seen only to himself |
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| 13:01.55 | Termana | lcuk - is that keyboard a) real and b) plugged in? |
| 13:02.07 | lcuk | Termana, yes, no (its bluetooth) |
| 13:02.48 | lcuk | wrote the graffiti wall in liqbase on that :) |
| 13:04.12 | lcuk | i forgot i had the high res images |
| 13:04.35 | lcuk | cehteh, your mould reminds me of my crate :) |
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| 13:05.02 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.n810.crate.empty.20080209.S6002366.JPG |
| 13:05.43 | cehteh | lcuk: i posted it on tmo / accessories now |
| 13:06.01 | lcuk | cool |
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| 13:06.32 | cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=460968#post460968 |
| 13:06.38 | cehteh | xorAxAx: ^^ |
| 13:07.01 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: his posts says 'Banned' |
| 13:07.30 | lcuk | cehteh, does your case allow access to volume/power etc? |
| 13:07.38 | cehteh | yes |
| 13:07.42 | lcuk | and usb/stylus and stuff |
| 13:07.55 | lcuk | doh usb is easy you show it |
| 13:07.57 | cehteh | stylus not (i dont want to get it lost) |
| 13:08.20 | cehteh | and keyboard of course not too |
| 13:08.29 | cehteh | but everything else is available |
| 13:08.30 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: heh, appears to be pretty recent, just a few hours ago |
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| 13:10.46 | cehteh | lcuk: the buttons on the top are bit hard to reach because you have to press through the neoprene, but works even with half-pressing the cam button |
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| 13:11.20 | cehteh | first i tought i had to add some plastic knobs therem but works ok without |
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| 13:22.23 | xorAxAx | sigh, why dont they overclock the 770 used for maemo.org |
| 13:23.05 | frals | hey, at least they are setting up a cluster of them and preparing to move it ;) |
| 13:25.01 | frals | so like, i plan to make my application show a info banner you have to click on on the first launch (hoping the user reads it) - is this evil or do you recon its acceptable |
| 13:25.12 | frals | its only on the first launch of the app |
| 13:25.35 | frals | because ppl seems determined not to read the instructions on the talkpage :( |
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| 13:26.06 | BabelO | hi frals thanksa lot for your nice app fmms :) works well here to send with Orange but look like http headers problem somewhere |
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| 13:26.40 | frals | cool, where is "here"? UK? |
| 13:26.42 | BabelO | receive also works, i just loast the text part :) |
| 13:26.47 | BabelO | frals: France |
| 13:26.55 | frals | cool :) |
| 13:27.01 | BabelO | frals: i ve used from the very first one :) |
| 13:27.08 | BabelO | not the one in extras-devel |
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| 13:27.15 | xorAxAx | frals: makes sense to show the info window |
| 13:27.21 | BabelO | frals: sms push is well handheld |
| 13:27.29 | frals | BabelO: cool, thanks a lot for testing it :) |
| 13:27.48 | BabelO | frals: but after retrieved the parts i receive a sms that says that my device cannot handle MMS |
| 13:28.00 | BabelO | anyway i receive the picture but not the text |
| 13:28.02 | frals | xorAxAx: yeah, i figured since its only on first launch it should be "ok" to do it.. i know i hate stuff popping up on each app run :P |
| 13:28.17 | frals | BabelO: okey, im looking into that - i know the attachment handling is a bit buggy |
| 13:28.29 | BabelO | samei f i send to another device, it receive it well but got a message that its device does not handle it |
| 13:28.54 | BabelO | frals: ok, tell me if i can make some dumps for you, the python code is clear enought |
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| 13:29.21 | frals | if you use the one from -devel it should arrive decently to most modern phones, so far ive only heard blackberrys have a problem displaying the messages |
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| 13:30.01 | frals | the reason you get the SMS afterwards from your operator is becaues its not currently sending the "hiya i got the message bugger off" message yet |
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| 13:32.47 | BabelO | frals: ah ok, and why if i send to other phone like LG KM900, the people receive the strange message too ? |
| 13:32.58 | johnq | Is someone here willing to test the new version of evopedia (offline wikipedia reader)? |
| 13:33.54 | frals | BabelO: yeah, lets just say the message building is not perfect yet :-) |
| 13:34.16 | johnq | I'm just uploading an (incomplete and old) dump of the german wikipedia in a format readable by the new 3.0 version that is already in extras-devel. |
| 13:34.28 | BabelO | frals: ok, anyway it works, and i can see you works on the priority to get autoconnect when receiving push sms |
| 13:34.35 | johnq | I'd like to hae some feedback on usability und such. |
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| 13:34.49 | lardman | hi chaps |
| 13:35.07 | woglinde | hi lardman |
| 13:35.18 | lardman | hey woglinde, how's things? |
| 13:35.21 | BabelO | johnq: i already installed it few hours ago |
| 13:35.31 | Stskeeps | curses the lack of hildon-theme-devel source |
| 13:35.46 | johnq | BabelO: cool |
| 13:36.23 | BabelO | johnq i just need a english or french wikipedia dump :) |
| 13:37.02 | frals | BabelO: yeah, good to hear its working at least (means the basic stuff works ok, which is the important thing :)) thanks for testing it! :) |
| 13:38.38 | johnq | BabelO: I only have a german dump for now |
| 13:38.45 | johnq | BabelO: It's at http://vitels.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/dumps/denew/wikipedia_de_ab.tgz |
| 13:39.54 | xorAxAx | doesnt install packages from people without fullname :) |
| 13:40.33 | crashanddie | xorAxAx: he's got a whole movie dedicated to himself |
| 13:40.38 | BabelO | johnq: what is the format i need how do you build it ? |
| 13:41.09 | lardman | hi crashanddie |
| 13:41.44 | crashanddie | hey lardman, what's up? |
| 13:41.47 | woglinde | lardman hm I am have a little fight with proxy-libintl and gettext in oe |
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| 13:42.02 | lardman | hmm, sounds not so fun |
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| 13:42.30 | woglinde | lardman hm its okay |
| 13:43.02 | johnq | BabelO: It's not so easy. First you need a html dump of wikipedia (not the xml dumps that are available from the official site) and then you need to run a script over it that compresses the dump. If you really want to do it (I would be glad if you did), we can talk about it by private messages. |
| 13:43.34 | lardman | hmm, that email from Tim is interesting, is there work underway to add mini-icons to each icon in HAM to indicate which section the app comes from? |
| 13:43.38 | BabelO | frals: one more question, my provider says i need to setup a proxy for mms, but i did not do it and it works, you think he do a transparent proxy ? or it is the way you are doing it that made it to works, btw now i ve setup the proxy, but no diff |
| 13:43.59 | BabelO | johnq: ok |
| 13:45.00 | frals | BabelO: im not sure - it might not count against your data usage when using the proxy but without its counted as data traffic instead of MMS traffic |
| 13:46.39 | BabelO | frals: yes maybe that, anyway i ve illimited access |
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| 13:46.46 | frals | :) |
| 13:46.57 | crashanddie | Why are people bothering with MMS? |
| 13:47.04 | crashanddie | Surely email is as easy these days, and less costly? |
| 13:47.11 | BabelO | frals: it is on separated APN |
| 13:47.16 | lardman | I think it's worthwhile |
| 13:47.25 | lardman | my mum doesn't have email on her phone for example, etc |
| 13:47.28 | frals | crashanddie: sending to people who dont have email in their phones appreciate the MMS |
| 13:47.59 | Lynoure | Photos are rarely that urgent |
| 13:48.00 | crashanddie | If people don't have email on their phone, they probably don't mind a phone call or postcard instead, do they? |
| 13:48.30 | frals | hard to send a picture with a phone call, and the postcard is way slower ;) |
| 13:48.38 | woglinde | crashanddie hihi we had this discussion a couples of day before |
| 13:48.47 | johnq | there is now also a partial french dump for evopedia at http://vitels.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/dumps/frnew |
| 13:48.47 | crashanddie | plus, if your phone doesn't support any kind of email, it usually means the screen doesn't really allow to display the picture in any good format, does it? |
| 13:48.56 | crashanddie | Oh wow, that smile really looks terrific in 256 colors! |
| 13:49.01 | frals | all these discussions are the same, it fits some people and not others, i use it a lot either way :) |
| 13:49.24 | frals | crashanddie: the phone might support it - but a lot of my friends dont use email in their phones anyway |
| 13:49.34 | lardman | crashanddie: difference between it being supported and it being used/paid for |
| 13:49.40 | lardman | ah, snap :) |
| 13:49.44 | crashanddie | back to Lynoure's point, they are rarely that urgent |
| 13:50.10 | lardman | well if the phone is the only thing they have with them, then there needs to be some way of getting it elsewhere |
| 13:50.59 | frals | well urgent or not, its nice to be able to send a picture to a phone imo - each to his own :) |
| 13:51.19 | lardman | crashanddie: it's of more use for receiving them for me, rather than sending them |
| 13:51.25 | Lynoure | Sometimes they are (when making e.g. a purchase decision on a onetime offer), but ironically then unually MMS are not sufficient in quality |
| 13:51.29 | xorAxAx | johnq: when will you offer full dumps? |
| 13:51.33 | lardman | for the latter I agree that email is probably a better bet |
| 13:51.53 | lardman | frals: did you sort out that postrm script? |
| 13:52.03 | xorAxAx | johnq: where does squashfs-module come from? |
| 13:52.20 | frals | no idea if he managed to uninstall it, he mustve borked his badly ebcause ive had no other complaints about it |
| 13:52.30 | lardman | strange |
| 13:52.31 | lardman | ah well |
| 13:52.42 | frals | ive added a return 0 at the end of the script anyway, not sure if thats right or not but it seems to work for everyone else |
| 13:52.58 | lardman | I don't know what they are supposed to return actually |
| 13:52.59 | lardman | :) |
| 13:54.08 | johnq | xorAxAx: full dumps are being made, the german dump is at 80% (and I hope that the product will be correct) |
| 13:54.21 | xorAxAx | johnq: good to know |
| 13:54.23 | johnq | xorAxAx: the new version does not need squashfs-module anymore - is it still in the dependencies? |
| 13:54.41 | xorAxAx | johnq: i didnt update my package list, no it isnt |
| 13:54.54 | xorAxAx | nevertheless i would like to have the package |
| 13:55.09 | xorAxAx | johnq: do you know where i can get it? |
| 13:55.38 | johnq | xorAxAx: it's only in extras-devel |
| 13:55.45 | johnq | (the new version that is) |
| 13:55.52 | xorAxAx | i know |
| 13:56.07 | xorAxAx | i mean, i find evopedia there, but not squashfs-module, johnq |
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| 13:58.07 | johnq | xorAxAx: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/e/evopedia/evopedia_0.2.99+0.3rc1_armel.deb does not depend on squashfs-module |
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| 13:58.27 | xorAxAx | johnq: i know! as i said! |
| 13:58.37 | xorAxAx | johnq: but i want to have that damn module. is that possible? |
| 13:58.48 | johnq | xorAxAx: ah sorry |
| 13:59.34 | johnq | xorAxAx: squashfs-module is in extras-devel... |
| 13:59.54 | xorAxAx | i cant find it |
| 14:00.08 | johnq | http://maemo.org/packages/view/squashfs-module/ |
| 14:00.13 | xorAxAx | maybe only in armel? |
| 14:00.35 | johnq | xorAxAx: yeah, that can be |
| 14:01.02 | cehteh | can squashfs run on top of MTD? |
| 14:01.15 | johnq | xorAxAx: do you really want to install an i386 kernel module from the maemo reositories? |
| 14:02.26 | xorAxAx | :-) |
| 14:04.05 | xorAxAx | johnq: what does the exchange arrows icon do? |
| 14:04.18 | johnq | xorAxAx: random article |
| 14:04.34 | johnq | xorAxAx: it's supposed to be a "shuffle playlist" symbol |
| 14:04.47 | xorAxAx | hmm, shuffle != r |
| 14:04.48 | xorAxAx | andom |
| 14:04.55 | xorAxAx | i would use dice |
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| 14:05.17 | johnq | I think the main problem was that i couldn't find nice dice ;-) |
| 14:05.54 | xorAxAx | another bug: all links seem red instead of blue |
| 14:06.06 | xorAxAx | let me guess, your self-written server doesnt support HEAD requests? |
| 14:06.41 | xorAxAx | (i mean, i looked for a link that points to an article with A at the beginning |
| 14:06.47 | xorAxAx | or is A incomplete as well? |
| 14:06.48 | johnq | xorAxAx: which browser do you use and what do you mean by "red" and "blue"? |
| 14:06.54 | kuriiri | frals: any idea why i get reply from mmsc: 200_OK 77876 message denied |
| 14:06.55 | johnq | xorAxAx: only ab... |
| 14:07.08 | xorAxAx | ah! |
| 14:07.28 | kuriiri | it there any way to log what happens? |
| 14:07.55 | xorAxAx | then its fine |
| 14:08.09 | crashanddie | bye |
| 14:08.46 | xorAxAx | johnq: i like it, i think you can promote it |
| 14:09.01 | johnq | xorAxAx: cool, thanks |
| 14:09.13 | xorAxAx | johnq: you could offer a link that opens in a new window and leads to a wikipage with dumps |
| 14:09.25 | xorAxAx | in the directory browser page |
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| 14:11.38 | Jef91 | Does anyone know if frozen bubble has been ported yet? |
| 14:11.46 | xorAxAx | it has |
| 14:11.57 | Jef91 | what repo is it in? |
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| 14:12.12 | micke | What would be the preffered method for communicating with a keyring daemon? FIFO or socket? |
| 14:12.16 | andrunko | does anyone know how to sync my n900 contacts on my linux box? I want to edit my contacts and I only have linux here |
| 14:12.30 | xorAxAx | Jef91: try maemo.org/packages |
| 14:12.40 | xorAxAx | andrunko: opensync |
| 14:12.43 | andrunko | I tried Google sync and only get "Exchange server is not responding" |
| 14:12.52 | Stskeeps | decides to install civ2 |
| 14:13.18 | Jef91 | xorAxAx Thanks much - I was trying packages.maemo.org like Debian/Ubuntu use thehehe |
| 14:13.28 | andrunko | xorAxAx, tnx I will check |
| 14:15.33 | johnq | xorAxAx: yes, I have to think about how to organize this website and where to host it |
| 14:15.52 | xorAxAx | johnq: how about the maemo wiki? |
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| 14:16.28 | xorAxAx | johnq: it should be a wiki so everybody can add his own dumps |
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| 14:16.50 | xorAxAx | johnq: ah, switching to another dump is missing |
| 14:17.02 | johnq | xorAxAx: no, you can switch at the search page, top left corner |
| 14:17.06 | xorAxAx | ok |
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| 14:17.59 | johnq | xorAxAx: I didn't think about others creating (and hosting) dumps as those were not really many in the last six months |
| 14:19.08 | xorAxAx | johnq: but i would leave it open for external dumps, so a wikipage is the right solution |
| 14:19.17 | johnq | xorAxAx: you are right |
| 14:20.29 | VDVsx | moblin in the Lg gw990 phone looks nifty o_0 |
| 14:20.38 | xorAxAx | VDVsx: "moblin"? |
| 14:20.54 | VDVsx | xorAxAx, intel OS |
| 14:21.20 | VDVsx | xorAxAx, some vids: http://pinguinsmoveis.com/gw990-gw990-gw990/ |
| 14:22.17 | Jef91 | If I have this git address: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-games/tree/gnomine |
| 14:22.31 | Jef91 | How would I use the git from CLI to download everything from that folder? |
| 14:22.32 | xorAxAx | i spot a black/greyish theme |
| 14:22.34 | xorAxAx | stolen! |
| 14:23.18 | RST38h | Major fail with FBReader. Looks like Network Search cannot be placed into the menu. |
| 14:23.44 | valdyn | Jef91: read the docs? |
| 14:24.01 | Jef91 | but I don't wanna rtfm :P |
| 14:24.23 | valdyn | Jef91: ok, dont expect us to read for you |
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| 14:29.41 | micke | Jef91 http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gittutorial.html |
| 14:30.10 | Jef91 | Thanks micke |
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| 14:30.16 | Jef91 | The man entry wasn |
| 14:30.22 | Jef91 | wasn't very clear* |
| 14:30.40 | LuciusMare | hi, mbarcode has no icon, where are they stored and how can i add it? |
| 14:30.51 | range | Oh, it has one. |
| 14:31.03 | range | You just installed it - and the last installed app shows no icon. |
| 14:31.05 | range | Known bug. |
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| 14:31.10 | micke | Jef91, hint: check under "Using git for collaboration" |
| 14:32.01 | LuciusMare | hm, but it usually gets loaded after adding a shortcut to desktop,it didnt even load. and i already rebooted |
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| 14:32.42 | lardman | LuciusMare: it should do |
| 14:33.01 | lardman | LuciusMare: is this on Diablo? |
| 14:33.03 | LuciusMare | well, that does not help me - it doesnt. |
| 14:33.08 | lardman | platform? |
| 14:33.09 | LuciusMare | fremantle |
| 14:33.16 | LuciusMare | n900 |
| 14:33.17 | lardman | reboot |
| 14:33.24 | LuciusMare | i already did |
| 14:33.27 | frals | kuriiri: most likely A) you are trying to send from the wrong connection, B) you got the wrong "From:" number or C) something else :) |
| 14:33.35 | lardman | I probably need to add some sort of icon cache refresh call to the postinst script |
| 14:33.41 | lardman | hmm, works for me |
| 14:33.57 | kuriiri | frals: in what format should the From: number be? |
| 14:34.15 | frals | try both local format and international, no dashes |
| 14:34.22 | kuriiri | tried :) |
| 14:34.27 | frals | btw what operator are you on? |
| 14:34.30 | kuriiri | elisa |
| 14:34.42 | kuriiri | in finland |
| 14:34.55 | frals | is, your account mms enabled etc? |
| 14:35.03 | kuriiri | ofcourse i could try with another phone, if they have done something |
| 14:35.20 | frals | if possible please do :) |
| 14:35.37 | lardman | LuciusMare: the icons should be stored somewhere under /usr/share/hildon/icons iirc |
| 14:36.40 | lardman | $(PREFIX)/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps/mbarcode.png |
| 14:36.41 | lardman | etc |
| 14:37.01 | lardman | so /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps/mbarcode.png |
| 14:37.10 | lardman | are these files not included in your installation? |
| 14:37.23 | lardman | perhaps it's something optification-related |
| 14:37.23 | VDVsx | 26x26 is not more needed in maemo5, afaik |
| 14:37.25 | frals | kuriiri: i got another user who is able to send with elisa.fi, so it *should* work for you as well |
| 14:37.36 | lardman | VDVsx: I just installed the whole lot |
| 14:37.49 | lardman | VDVsx: no instructions anywhere I could see about what was required |
| 14:37.55 | LuciusMare | this's not a major problem, what bugs me more is being unable to run bluemaemo - http://maemo.pastebin.com/m4fdbd05 |
| 14:37.59 | kuriiri | frals: ok sounds good.. i'll report you in a couple of minutes :) |
| 14:38.18 | lardman | LuciusMare: well that's nothing to do with me |
| 14:38.24 | lardman | LuciusMare: while mbarcode is |
| 14:38.26 | VDVsx | 48x48 for app menu and 64x64 for desktop shortcut, afaik :D |
| 14:38.57 | frals | i got some issues with those icons as well, for some reason my .desktop file doesnt load em |
| 14:39.01 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, known bug |
| 14:39.03 | lardman | should both be installed too, plus a scalable one |
| 14:39.08 | LuciusMare | oh,and while we're at it, what barcodes does mbarcode support? qr code,datamatrix,and? |
| 14:39.14 | LuciusMare | VDVsx: how to fix it,then? |
| 14:39.16 | lardman | 1D |
| 14:39.35 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, worksforme here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7510 |
| 14:39.37 | povbot` | Bug 7510: Wrong behavior when pairing a device with a apostrophe (') in the name |
| 14:39.43 | VDVsx | is only fixed in svsn version |
| 14:39.46 | VDVsx | *svn |
| 14:40.13 | lardman | LuciusMare: see http://zbar.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.libdmtx.org/ as these are what does the decoding |
| 14:40.33 | lardman | (for the list of supported types) |
| 14:40.47 | lardman | frals: with mbarcode? |
| 14:42.10 | Jef91 | Does Maemo use pulse? |
| 14:42.15 | kuriiri | frals: seems that it's disabled :) |
| 14:42.16 | lardman | yes |
| 14:42.18 | LuciusMare | weird, my device doesnt have an apostrophe in the name, and it does not pair,it does not even run |
| 14:43.03 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, it's not in your device name, is in your PC/mac/ps3 name |
| 14:43.19 | VDVsx | this a stupid bug, I know :D |
| 14:43.24 | VDVsx | *this is |
| 14:43.45 | LuciusMare | i know,neither of them have apostrophe |
| 14:43.47 | frals | kuriiri: figures :) |
| 14:43.53 | frals | lardman: nah, my own app |
| 14:44.03 | LuciusMare | my device is called Rover and my pc is called blackrock. |
| 14:44.15 | LuciusMare | and it does not return to menu,it fails to run |
| 14:44.21 | frals | funny thing is i do the exact same thing in both fMMS and fAPN, and it works in fMMS but not fAPN :P |
| 14:44.28 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, and don't you've other device paired with a none-ascii char in the name ? |
| 14:44.35 | LuciusMare | nope. |
| 14:44.41 | lardman | frals: ok |
| 14:44.57 | kuriiri | frals: thanks for the support anyways, and i can't thank you enough :) |
| 14:45.07 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, ok, the problem is with a non-ascii char as you can see, so wait for a stable version |
| 14:45.09 | frals | kuriiri: im happy to help :) |
| 14:45.20 | lardman | frals: any way around the needing to only be connected to a single APN? |
| 14:45.40 | LuciusMare | then i have a different problem |
| 14:46.13 | frals | im working on a ugly hack to setup a parallell connection in the background, but not sure if it will work |
| 14:46.13 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, nop is the same problem, a non-ascii char is in the list of paired devices :D |
| 14:46.37 | LuciusMare | it is not, i say. |
| 14:46.43 | frals | or well, i got some great ideas from someone and im gonna test them when i get an opportunity |
| 14:46.57 | LuciusMare | my only paired device is "blackrock" |
| 14:47.04 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, so blame python for being crazy :D |
| 14:47.13 | LuciusMare | okay |
| 14:47.16 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 14:47.35 | LuciusMare | oh,and even after removing it,problem resists |
| 14:47.52 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, did you remove all the pairings in the list ? |
| 14:48.06 | LuciusMare | i have only one,which i just removed. |
| 14:48.10 | VDVsx | all devices there |
| 14:48.12 | LuciusMare | it was the "blackrock" |
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| 14:48.26 | LuciusMare | yes, i removed all - one. |
| 14:49.22 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, ok, you have to wait for the next version, unless you can edit the sources |
| 14:49.49 | xorAxAx | lol, http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/2010/01/09/why-dogs-bite-their-owners/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+POD-NickScipio+%28Picture+of+the+Day+-+NickScipio.com%29 |
| 14:49.53 | LuciusMare | great *facepalms* |
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| 14:52.30 | TomaszD | good day #maemo |
| 14:53.16 | woglinde | hi TomaszD |
| 14:53.33 | lardman | hi TomaszD |
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| 15:04.14 | scr4ve | hey folks :-) |
| 15:04.23 | SpeedEvil | hey. Maybe. |
| 15:05.08 | scr4ve | just a small question: are there currently any efforts of making android apps available on the n900? |
| 15:05.31 | Jef91 | When I try to configure my package to build it I get this error: |
| 15:05.32 | Jef91 | "checking for XML::Simple... configure: error: XML::Simple perl module is required for icon-naming-utils |
| 15:05.32 | Jef91 | " |
| 15:05.47 | Jef91 | however I have libxml-perl installed |
| 15:05.58 | scr4ve | I just found a small note on the java wiki page concerning dalvik - is anyone trying to do this? |
| 15:06.55 | Macer | please dont do it |
| 15:06.57 | Macer | haha |
| 15:07.11 | glass_ | if you do it, drop a note |
| 15:07.35 | Stskeeps | Jef91: redirect perl |
| 15:07.41 | Stskeeps | Jef91: it's insanity in scratchbox form |
| 15:08.29 | Jef91 | Stskeeps - what do you mean by redirect perl? |
| 15:09.04 | LuciusMare | VDVsx: and, how can i get the newest version? is the .deb made already? |
| 15:10.05 | lardman | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:10.10 | lardman | I imagine |
| 15:10.22 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, SVN, you've to package everything |
| 15:10.42 | Stskeeps | Jef91: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg14442.html |
| 15:10.54 | Jef91 | Stskeeps - thanks much |
| 15:11.56 | inz | whee, got application menu messed up on n900 |
| 15:12.10 | inz | shows both menus simultaneously |
| 15:12.30 | LuciusMare | inz: also happened to me |
| 15:12.40 | LuciusMare | VDVsx: so,when is the release date? |
| 15:13.23 | VDVsx | when ready |
| 15:13.29 | inz | lucius, did you figure any way out (without losing uptime ;) |
| 15:13.44 | LuciusMare | nope |
| 15:13.56 | LuciusMare | oh,actually yes - dont care. |
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| 15:14.04 | LuciusMare | or hacking uptime |
| 15:14.09 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 15:14.09 | inz | :) |
| 15:16.56 | inz | luci, little friendly killall hildon-desktop resolveds it :) |
| 15:17.35 | LuciusMare | aw. |
| 15:17.51 | thorbjorn | I'm trying to enable red pill mode in the Application Manager, like so: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK/Using_Application_Manager |
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| 15:17.58 | LuciusMare | whyyyy didnt you tell me before? i lost two weeks of uptime |
| 15:18.01 | thorbjorn | But when I enter "matrix" and cancel, it doesn't ask for red pill mode. |
| 15:18.06 | thorbjorn | Anyone know of updated instructions? |
| 15:18.25 | thorbjorn | I need the "assume network connection" option. |
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| 15:19.38 | Jef91 | Stskeeps - Maybe I am not understanding this correctly - I ran "export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl" |
| 15:19.47 | Jef91 | And I still get the same perl error |
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| 15:28.16 | Andy80 | lcuk: hi, wasn'r #maemo-ux the irc channel you suggested me? |
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| 15:32.08 | VDVsx | Andy80, -ui |
| 15:32.16 | Andy80 | sorry :P |
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| 15:49.25 | thorbjorn | I've just managed to compile the latest released version of The Mana World (0.0.29.1) in Scratchbox and it runs on my N900 when I copy it over and install the necessary dependencies. |
| 15:49.37 | thorbjorn | Now how would I go about creating a package? |
| 15:49.48 | thorbjorn | There are already Debian build scripts available that could be adapted. |
| 15:51.19 | PaulFertser | Can please anyone tell for sure if the USB connector problem was in fact solved on production units or not? Why the hell it's only rumors but no true info whatsover?! |
| 15:51.42 | thorbjorn | What problem is that? |
| 15:51.46 | RST38h | There is at least one report indicating it has not been solved |
| 15:52.09 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: the people we normally talk to has nothing to deal with hw :P |
| 15:53.58 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: it would be nice if someone did an abnormal talk to actually clarify the confusion among n900 owners... |
| 15:54.14 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: because apparently those who do know the answer do not read stupid tmo |
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| 15:55.35 | PaulFertser | RST38h: one report doesn't mean much when thousands of devices were sold... I think someone from nokia claimed that something was done about the problem after discovering it in pre-mp units. Who was it, can he confirm his words with more details? |
| 15:55.41 | LuciusMare | huh, i just downloaded the take-screenshot applet,i half-pressed camera button,where does it save? |
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| 15:57.55 | RST38h | Paul: What does google say? |
| 15:58.23 | Milhouse | Lucius: probably in the screenshot folder. fire up the photo app, and look at the detail for the image |
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| 15:58.47 | LuciusMare | hm |
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| 15:59.38 | PaulFertser | RST38h: hm, nothing? Last time i remember hearing about the issue it was someone unidentifiable who claimed that. |
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| 16:05.27 | LuciusMare | okay,found,how to change the screenshot folder? |
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| 16:05.40 | salman | greetings |
| 16:06.12 | Jef91 | Need halp with scratchbox if anyone is good with it - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=461162#post461162 |
| 16:06.14 | salman | I just came from a LUG meeting were there was a presentation about the N900 and wow.. this this is nice |
| 16:07.08 | salman | the presenter show a couple of very useful python application he created in very little time |
| 16:07.41 | salman | is it possible to run an image of maemo virtually in my debian |
| 16:08.21 | LuciusMare | salman: yes,but dont expect it as a full emulator |
| 16:08.55 | LuciusMare | i mean,its for developing and testing only |
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| 16:11.28 | Jef91 | LuciusMare - where can I get a copy of said image? |
| 16:11.41 | Jef91 | I'd like to run it under virtual box if possible |
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| 16:13.59 | LuciusMare | Jef91: google for maemo emulator or "sdk images" or so |
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| 16:28.42 | LuciusMare | hi, i have problems with screencasting,italways makes only a blank one second video |
| 16:29.50 | salman | was there any new update to maemo os after the N900 release? |
| 16:29.58 | woglinde | no |
| 16:30.01 | Stskeeps | no, but PR1.1 should come any day |
| 16:31.39 | LuciusMare | Stskeeps: what are the major changes? |
| 16:33.54 | ifreq | likes turtles |
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| 16:35.12 | moo-_- | LuciusMare: it is not public information |
| 16:35.40 | RST38h | Umgh: http://gizmodo.com/5444156/geeze-ces-attendees-dont-you-people-have-homes?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher |
| 16:35.46 | lcuk | moos @ moo-_- |
| 16:36.43 | lcuk | RST38h, *blink* |
| 16:37.12 | lcuk | though, in ikea today there was a toilet in the showhouse thing, it had a big label on the seat saying it was welded shut because it was not a real loo |
| 16:39.06 | RST38h | lcuk: Actually, placing some really nasty toothy beanie doll there seems to make sense |
| 16:41.20 | VDVsx | hopes nokia release PR1.1 after a few days of releasing PR1.0.1, not another month :( |
| 16:42.00 | krig | VDVxs: there's a 1.0.1 coming? |
| 16:42.39 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: i don't know |
| 16:43.01 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: we can only hope it's saner with ovi maps though |
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| 16:43.18 | VDVsx | krig, I guess so, dunno when :D |
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| 16:44.48 | VDVsx | according to yesterday talk here, is already approved, dunno what that means either :P |
| 16:46.44 | krig | aah, sounds promising at least |
| 16:46.44 | RST38h | VDVsx: I am not getting it |
| 16:47.05 | RST38h | VDVsx: So, some people are already testing PR1.1, but we will not see it any time soon, will see PR1.0.1 instead? |
| 16:47.25 | VDVsx | RST38h, you can't SSU from pr1.0 to pr1.1, it seems |
| 16:47.29 | Jef91 | Would an arm deb run properly on an ARM system? |
| 16:47.40 | Jef91 | arm on armel* |
| 16:47.42 | RST38h | VDVsx: And that is the reason for not releasing it? |
| 16:47.59 | SpeedEvil | Jef91: theer are several important subarchitectures of 'arm' |
| 16:48.09 | VDVsx | RST38h, is the reason because you need pr1.0.1, I think |
| 16:48.19 | RST38h | hmmmmmmm |
| 16:48.24 | VDVsx | search yesterday logs, everything is there :D |
| 16:48.29 | RST38h | optifying FBReader |
| 16:48.44 | RST38h | Whoever wanted Net Book Search enabled, you are out of luck for now. |
| 16:48.49 | Jef91 | SpeedEvil is that a yes or would bad things ensue? |
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| 16:49.35 | SpeedEvil | Jef91: it's a maybe - at worst it'll generally segfault |
| 16:50.27 | Jef91 | kk I'm going to do it then thehehe |
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| 16:52.33 | RST38h | Anyone knows what the minimal icon size in the toolbar is ? |
| 16:52.41 | RST38h | How many can I stick there? |
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| 16:54.22 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: 800*480? |
| 16:54.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | muhaha |
| 16:54.38 | SpeedEvil | (as to an upper limit of how many you could stick in) |
| 16:54.42 | VDVsx | RST38h, frematle master layout guide :D |
| 16:54.55 | RST38h | VDVsx: Where? =) |
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| 16:55.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: don't foret dithering |
| 16:55.14 | Jef91 | Gah. clisp is going tobe the death of me I swear |
| 16:55.18 | SpeedEvil | sometimes forgets dithering. |
| 16:55.20 | VDVsx | RST38h, http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e778ba1f-2507-4672-be45-798359a3aea7/Fremantle_Master_Layout_Guide.html |
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| 16:58.14 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, dithering? |
| 16:58.21 | VDVsx | oh, "web design guidelines of the n900", why we need that, we've the full browsing experience :P |
| 16:58.56 | lcuk | you need that because whilst you *can* use regular normal fat web from the desktop |
| 16:59.08 | lcuk | its optimal if you use the simplest thinnest lightest page possible |
| 16:59.17 | lcuk | to save your users wasting time bandwidth and money |
| 16:59.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: well not exactly dithering. you might place multiple icons on one pixel e.g. |
| 16:59.43 | VDVsx | lcuk, do you think anyone will adapt their site for the N900 :p |
| 17:00.08 | lcuk | VDVsx, theres many people already optimizing mobile versions of their sites |
| 17:00.11 | woglinde | hm is there a way to read the sms from the simcard on n900? |
| 17:00.32 | RST38h | Ok, I have found what I need |
| 17:00.38 | RST38h | The toolbar is an HBox |
| 17:00.51 | RST38h | It's packing settings can probably be changed |
| 17:01.02 | VDVsx | lcuk, yes, but mobile version suck a bit in the n900, I prefer the full version |
| 17:01.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: great :-) |
| 17:01.20 | VDVsx | RST38h, the doc helped ? |
| 17:01.51 | Arkenoi | btw people often complain about UI inconsistency. kinetic scroll areas in some programs vs scollbars in others; enabling cursor via gesture; zoom/volume keys.. everything differs from one program to another |
| 17:02.06 | lcuk | VDVsx, mobile version is useful for mobile people, i find it hard (for instance) using full gmail on device. even using tmo is tricky |
| 17:02.07 | inz | hmm, fm radio seems to make the device quite slow |
| 17:02.20 | lcuk | (try vaispy it has trouble sometimes) |
| 17:05.13 | inz | is there a better way to get to the app switcher other than flip-slopping the lens cover?-) |
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| 17:05.42 | SpeedEvil | inz: there is 'camd' or something |
| 17:05.47 | krig | inz: ctrl-backspace |
| 17:05.47 | Stskeeps | inz: ctrl-backspace |
| 17:05.49 | tigert | inz: ctrl-bs |
| 17:05.53 | tigert | :) |
| 17:06.06 | SpeedEvil | inz: that pops up the switcher when you press hte cam key |
| 17:06.07 | inz | whoa, youre helpful today |
| 17:06.09 | inz | thanks |
| 17:06.09 | krig | \o/ i win |
| 17:06.35 | SpeedEvil | camd is more useful if kbd is closed tho |
| 17:06.42 | RST38h | VDVsx: Not really |
| 17:06.50 | VDVsx | lol |
| 17:06.52 | inz | why would it be ;) |
| 17:06.53 | RST38h | VDVsx: Ended up looking through gtk+ reference |
| 17:07.24 | RST38h | VDVsx: The style guide is seemingly written by people who have neither written nor used a Maemo app |
| 17:07.47 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: That would contaminate the purity of their vision! |
| 17:08.02 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: the best design concepts are from people who do not know what a mobile phone or a computer is. |
| 17:08.26 | VDVsx | RST38h, humm, I think it was written by the UI team, seems well organized at least, never read it :D |
| 17:10.13 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Maybe someone should blind them to reach the pinnacle of design excellence |
| 17:10.34 | RST38h | VDVsx: You can well-organize just about anything |
| 17:10.41 | Jef91 | Alright, so I am assuming this is just another scratchbox oddity... |
| 17:11.20 | Jef91 | I'm trying to compile clisp from source, and when I run ./configure it complains that "libsigsegv" is not installed |
| 17:11.20 | N900evil | camkeyd btw |
| 17:11.35 | VDVsx | oh, we've a maemo dev crash course, great when people are complaining about the lack of docs and no one advertise that :( |
| 17:11.37 | Jef91 | However that package is installed on my system... |
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| 17:12.07 | Jef91 | Any suggestions? |
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| 17:17.20 | woglinde | Jef91 ist -dev package installed of libsigsegv? |
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| 17:19.00 | Flandry | arggh |
| 17:19.51 | Flandry | anyone here with experience setting XWMHints? |
| 17:21.05 | VDVsx | set the InputHint to true |
| 17:21.15 | Jef91 | woglinde - tried booth |
| 17:21.25 | Flandry | yeah that's the easy part :D |
| 17:21.25 | Jef91 | both* |
| 17:21.40 | Flandry | the hard part is figuring out what parameters to pass to the function |
| 17:22.08 | Flandry | Specifically, i can't figure out what the "Display" is |
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| 17:22.39 | Flandry | there are no calls to X_get _display like in the example i saw |
| 17:22.44 | henningms | I can't plug in my headphones into the N900 anymore :/ it makes the worst contant screeching sound |
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| 17:24.54 | VDVsx | Flandry, maybe this patch helps: http://qwerty12.qole.org/xev.diff |
| 17:25.14 | Flandry | no, that's one of the examples i looked at |
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| 17:39.35 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 17:39.38 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ping |
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| 17:47.28 | Jef91 | Is there a place I can download the source for older maemo pacakges? |
| 17:47.32 | Jef91 | like from maemo4? |
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| 17:52.40 | MSameer | Jef91: should be available from repository.maemo.org |
| 17:53.18 | MSameer | Jef91: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/ |
| 17:53.39 | Jef91 | thanks much |
| 17:54.15 | luke-jr | Jef91: note only certain components are open source, not Maemo as a whole |
| 17:54.21 | luke-jr | what exactly are you looking for? |
| 17:54.32 | Jef91 | Asileriot |
| 17:54.35 | Jef91 | for OS 2008 |
| 17:54.40 | Jef91 | wanna recompile it for Maemo5/N900 |
| 17:54.48 | luke-jr | never heard of that |
| 17:55.08 | inz | aisleriot |
| 17:55.12 | Jef91 | Its a solitair/card game |
| 17:55.24 | Jef91 | Because if my father ever snags my n900 - he is going to want to play that |
| 17:55.34 | luke-jr | oh |
| 17:55.37 | luke-jr | no clue if that's open |
| 17:55.48 | Jef91 | its is FOSS |
| 17:55.53 | Jef91 | its part of the gnome games collection |
| 17:55.58 | Flandry | you don't necessarily need to recompile |
| 17:56.06 | Flandry | but check garage |
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| 17:56.09 | Jef91 | I just figured it would be easier to rebuild it from the OS 2008 package |
| 17:56.12 | Jef91 | than the general source |
| 17:56.14 | Flandry | and check the previous repo |
| 17:56.23 | Jef91 | Flandry - garage? |
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| 17:56.59 | slonopotamus | 'easier', 'build' and 'maemo' can't go in one sentence. |
| 17:57.18 | Flandry | ~garage ? |
| 17:57.24 | Flandry | https://garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:57.28 | RST38h | slonopotamus: they can, as long as you keep autobuilder out of the sentence |
| 17:57.39 | Jef91 | slonopotamus - concur |
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| 17:57.49 | Flandry | a lot of the packages for OS2008 are only available as source from garage |
| 17:57.51 | Jef91 | Been bashing my head into the wall for the last two days working on it |
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| 17:58.01 | Jef91 | Yea I need source for - http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/g/gnome-games/ |
| 17:58.05 | Jef91 | only the debs are there |
| 17:58.12 | Jef91 | What is the garage - link please? |
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| 17:58.21 | slonopotamus | RST38h, and sb :P |
| 17:58.29 | Flandry | Just gave it :P |
| 17:58.47 | Jef91 | ahh lol sorry |
| 17:58.51 | Jef91 | I'm half working my deskjob |
| 17:58.51 | Flandry | no problem |
| 17:58.52 | Jef91 | see it now |
| 17:59.10 | RST38h | slonopotamus: I am using sb2, it is easy enough |
| 17:59.14 | Flandry | which is *why* we have the autobuilder now |
| 17:59.44 | Flandry | so that come Maemo6, everyone doesn't have to start over again because nobody uploaded source packages |
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| 18:01.21 | Jef91 | Flandry - where the hell do I find source packages on that page? |
| 18:01.30 | Jef91 | Searching for the package names yields nothing |
| 18:01.31 | Jef91 | >.< |
| 18:02.20 | Flandry | it may not be there |
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| 18:02.31 | Flandry | that's just where some of the stuff was hosted |
| 18:02.43 | Jef91 | Sad panda |
| 18:02.45 | Flandry | may be the previous maintainer worked out of a back room |
| 18:03.01 | Flandry | you googled it? |
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| 18:03.26 | Jef91 | Maemo needs to get more organized like Debian/Ubuntu |
| 18:03.28 | Jef91 | Yes I did |
| 18:03.38 | Jef91 | all I get are links back to live.gnome.org |
| 18:03.53 | Jef91 | which has source for all of gnome games - not just the solitaire package |
| 18:03.57 | RST38h | Flandry: You are joking, right? |
| 18:04.13 | RST38h | Flandry: about having source packages? |
| 18:05.26 | Flandry | ? |
| 18:05.48 | Flandry | I think Jef91 just made the point for me actually |
| 18:05.55 | RST38h | Flandry: Maemo6 is going to be Qt based and will break all kinds of things |
| 18:06.09 | Flandry | Jef91: you're in luck |
| 18:06.10 | RST38h | Flandry: Maemo is no Ubuntu, alas |
| 18:06.18 | Jef91 | Flandry 0.o? |
| 18:06.22 | Flandry | nor do i think it is |
| 18:06.39 | microlith | anyone here used the mscim package? |
| 18:06.54 | Jef91 | Flandry - find me some source code? |
| 18:07.01 | Flandry | doesn't change the fact that having source packages for the apps in Fremantle will simplify porting next time |
| 18:07.22 | Flandry | Jef91: no, but the previous maintainer is active http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=224000&postcount=8 |
| 18:07.31 | Flandry | send him a message |
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| 18:07.46 | Jef91 | Golden! Good idea, thanks |
| 18:08.08 | Flandry | yw, been there, done that :D |
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| 18:09.18 | VDVsx | Flandry, which package ? |
| 18:10.31 | Flandry | ? |
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| 18:12.24 | Jef91 | Thanks again Flandry, jkust shot him a message |
| 18:13.12 | Flandry | And may your app not suffer from the matchbox focus bug of doom |
| 18:15.23 | RST38h | Arkenoi: maemos.ru and weep |
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| 18:15.37 | luke-jr | hrm, I actually hold a high bid of $51 on a new sealed N900 O.o |
| 18:16.00 | Jef91 | luke-jr Link? I'll totally come steal it :P |
| 18:16.07 | luke-jr | Jef91: :< |
| 18:16.14 | luke-jr | Jef91: 5 days left, so no doubt someone will |
| 18:16.23 | Jef91 | haha yep |
| 18:16.27 | luke-jr | I made the mistake of bidding on the one ending latest :/ |
| 18:16.30 | Jef91 | will got for at least 400~ish |
| 18:16.36 | luke-jr | which kinda now means my hands are tied for anything ending sooner |
| 18:16.51 | luke-jr | unless you outbid me?? :P |
| 18:16.56 | luke-jr | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110478713986 |
| 18:17.02 | luke-jr | but $250.01 for me? :P |
| 18:17.05 | luke-jr | bid* |
| 18:17.56 | Jef91 | w00t! |
| 18:17.58 | Jef91 | Source code! |
| 18:17.59 | Jef91 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/g/gnome-games/ |
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| 18:18.16 | luke-jr | :) |
| 18:20.28 | AakashPatel | N90000 |
| 18:20.31 | AakashPatel | NNN |
| 18:20.35 | tigert | hmm |
| 18:20.44 | tigert | what is this dbus scripts app? |
| 18:20.55 | zash | over N9000? |
| 18:21.01 | AakashPatel | probably to do random dbus stuff |
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| 18:21.08 | AakashPatel | HAY LETS BLINK SOME LIGHTS |
| 18:21.39 | tigert | it has a lot of events in pulldowns |
| 18:21.44 | RST38h | moos at tigert without any reason |
| 18:21.47 | tigert | but i dont know what it does |
| 18:21.51 | tigert | RST38h: ? |
| 18:22.04 | RST38h | well, without any reason. |
| 18:22.09 | tigert | :) |
| 18:22.36 | RST38h | VDVsx: Any idea when VioletMaemo is coming? =) |
| 18:23.20 | VDVsx | RST38h, hello kitty theme ? |
| 18:23.49 | tigert | chuckles at the "fapn" name |
| 18:24.02 | tigert | but man, dudes |
| 18:24.25 | tigert | is impressed by the small handy utils appearing |
| 18:24.42 | tigert | gprs/3G switch applet, flashlight, mms |
| 18:24.42 | RST38h | VDVsx: No, IRda =) |
| 18:24.45 | tigert | cool stuff |
| 18:24.59 | RST38h | VDvsx: Blue+Red =) |
| 18:25.04 | VDVsx | RST38h, oh, have too much things to do :( |
| 18:25.32 | RST38h | VDVsx: think what happens when you find a job... |
| 18:25.47 | VDVsx | RST38h, free time :p |
| 18:25.49 | VDVsx | lol |
| 18:26.28 | VDVsx | most of the thinks sucking my time atm, are temporary, will end soon ;) |
| 18:26.33 | VDVsx | *things |
| 18:27.41 | Jef91 | What exactly is contained within the diff.gz for a source package? |
| 18:29.41 | VDVsx | adds improve/update his CV in the to do list |
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| 18:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, pong? |
| 18:33.44 | timeless_mbp | load https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7194 |
| 18:33.45 | povbot` | Bug 7194: Browser randomly crashes |
| 18:33.50 | timeless_mbp | what's the last comment you see there? |
| 18:34.26 | slonopotamus | browser stably crashes on http://tv.rambler.ru :) |
| 18:34.35 | GeneralAntilles | Comment #12: "You have just helped me a lot, thanks for the hint." |
| 18:34.38 | Markus23_ | is it possible to integrate different search engines in the n900 browser? |
| 18:34.39 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: have you installed crash-reporter? |
| 18:35.02 | Markus23_ | when I type a word it suggests a google search |
| 18:35.25 | Markus23_ | but a wikipedia search would be great too! |
| 18:35.59 | Jef91 | Why can't maemo run libc6 2.7.1? |
| 18:36.07 | Jef91 | It would make my life about 100 times easier |
| 18:36.33 | woglinde | Jef91 in diff.gz is the debian dir mostly |
| 18:36.44 | woglinde | sometimes some patches |
| 18:37.09 | woglinde | why would libc 2.7.1 make your life easier? |
| 18:37.21 | woglinde | libc 2.7.1 still needs patches |
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| 18:37.56 | Markus23_ | no idea about different sarch engines? |
| 18:38.10 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, nope, how i had to learn it exists at all? |
| 18:38.38 | timeless_mbp | dunno |
| 18:38.45 | timeless_mbp | complain here until you saw it mentioned? |
| 18:39.35 | tigert | Markus23_: bookmark keywords would be cool like in ffox |
| 18:39.41 | tigert | that would solve it |
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| 18:40.39 | Markus23_ | tigert a box to select wiki search would be enogh for me |
| 18:40.46 | RST38h | Anyone familiar with debian packaging??? |
| 18:41.13 | Markus23_ | so google is hardcoded and that can't be customized? |
| 18:41.41 | micke | RST38h what were you wondering? |
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| 18:45.13 | microlith | hmm, scim website is broke |
| 18:45.42 | tigert | Markus23_: in practice typing "wikipedia foobar" takes you where you expect |
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| 18:46.14 | tigert | Markus23_: there was a search applet for home |
| 18:46.29 | tigert | maybe tha can search other engines? |
| 18:47.35 | Jef91 | I swear to god, everytime I try to compile a package it leads to needing to compile two other packages |
| 18:47.47 | Jef91 | which then in turn need two other packages... Makes you love apt-get |
| 18:50.00 | vpv | Markus23_: firefox mobile has support for different search engines |
| 18:50.07 | Markus23_ | tigert: no "wikipedia foobar" gives me a google page, maybe with correct hit on top |
| 18:50.32 | Markus23_ | but it is still disturbing with slow connection |
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| 18:51.18 | lauri | happy new year Maemo people :P |
| 18:52.04 | homeasvs_ | how should code programatically detect it's running on maemo ? |
| 18:52.37 | arachnist | screen size? |
| 18:52.49 | arachnist | homeasvs_: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:53.02 | homeasvs_ | arachnist, detect if my code is running on maemo |
| 18:53.12 | homeasvs_ | in which case, I want to select a keyring that doesn't prompt for a password on console |
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| 18:57.21 | tigert | Markus23_: darn, indeed |
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| 19:00.12 | wnd | homeasvs_, check for /etc/osso_software_version? |
| 19:01.10 | homeasvs_ | wnd, hm, that file is not available in my scratchbox |
| 19:06.02 | RST38h | micke: I need to create a symbolic link to a directory inside deb |
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| 19:06.14 | woglinde_ | rst? |
| 19:06.17 | lauri | The extras-devel is missing hashes again |
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| 19:06.22 | RST38h | micke: When I do it in makefile, I end up with an empty directory rather than symbolic link |
| 19:06.23 | lauri | can anybody comment on this |
| 19:06.29 | RST38h | woglinde: moo? |
| 19:06.42 | woglinde_ | rst install into debian/tmp |
| 19:06.51 | wnd | RST38h, no you don't. linking to directories is a bad idea as dpkg doesn't handle it well. |
| 19:06.53 | RST38h | woglinde: ? |
| 19:06.57 | woglinde_ | use .install file |
| 19:07.01 | RST38h | wnd: thank you, captain obvious |
| 19:07.12 | wnd | my pleasure |
| 19:07.15 | RST38h | woglinde: could you be more detaild on this? |
| 19:07.24 | woglinde_ | rst or what is your problem excattly? |
| 19:07.40 | woglinde_ | maybe postinst and postrm is what you are seeking |
| 19:07.51 | wnd | just don't say I didn't warn you |
| 19:08.06 | woglinde_ | speak quick |
| 19:08.12 | woglinde_ | I need to go shopping now |
| 19:08.47 | RST38h | woglinde: trying to move /usr/share/zlibrayr to /opt/maemo/usr/share/zlibrary |
| 19:09.03 | RST38h | yes, I can do it in postinst but would rather not |
| 19:09.11 | woglinde_ | right |
| 19:09.17 | woglinde_ | auto optify dont works? |
| 19:09.18 | wnd | iirc dh_link can create links to directories just fine but it doesn't make it a good idea |
| 19:10.17 | woglinde_ | rst are you reading the -dev mailinglist? |
| 19:10.36 | woglinde_ | till has the same problem as you |
| 19:10.42 | woglinde_ | and there are 3 solutions |
| 19:10.55 | woglinde_ | hm maybee 4 with mine |
| 19:11.21 | woglinde_ | but auto optify should work |
| 19:11.22 | woglinde_ | in your case |
| 19:11.40 | woglinde_ | okay till later |
| 19:12.00 | woglinde_ | rst I hope you will solve it on your own |
| 19:12.34 | RST38h | Ok |
| 19:12.40 | RST38h | What is the least messy solution? |
| 19:12.49 | woglinde_ | autooptify |
| 19:12.53 | woglinde_ | if it works for you |
| 19:12.58 | woglinde_ | one file in debian/ |
| 19:13.08 | woglinde_ | so now I am off |
| 19:15.02 | RST38h | mhm |
| 19:15.49 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, bug 7795 is going to affect anyone who used bugzilla w/in a certain time interval |
| 19:15.50 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7795 bugzilla lost comments and attachments |
| 19:17.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde_: where U r hanging around? To go shopping at that time you have to be different TZ than I'd expect |
| 19:19.12 | micke | RST38h: I see woglinde_ has given you the solution put a file named optify in debian with the content auto |
| 19:20.06 | KamuiN900 | aaah, ive mostly fixed my camera slide |
| 19:20.37 | KamuiN900 | didnt klike ising glue on it, but nokia was being lame |
| 19:20.56 | KamuiN900 | refusing to replace the cover they admit has a defect |
| 19:20.58 | micke | RST38h: for the general answer to the question on how to create a synlink id do it in debian/postinst |
| 19:27.13 | frals | hmm crap, my exchange server went offline >_< |
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| 19:27.14 | RST38h | ok, auto-optify it is then |
| 19:27.14 | RST38h | It will probably fuck up though |
| 19:27.16 | Fredrik1994 | time to register at maemo.org |
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| 19:27.57 | timeless_mbp | hey could someone w/ welho near HEL.fi please try watching channel 4? |
| 19:28.10 | timeless_mbp | for me, i'm getting incredibly bad decoding for anny movement |
| 19:28.19 | Fredrik1994 | "only lowercase" |
| 19:28.23 | Fredrik1994 | ._. |
| 19:28.35 | Fredrik1994 | likes his uppercase-name FIQ |
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| 19:28.38 | Fredrik1994 | w/e |
| 19:28.58 | El_Angelo | hi |
| 19:29.39 | Fredrik1994 | Address: |
| 19:29.42 | Fredrik1994 | hm |
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| 19:30.00 | Fredrik1994 | can someone explain why there's 2 of them, and why i need to specify it at all? |
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| 19:30.36 | lardman | re |
| 19:30.58 | El_Angelo | anyone knows how to get alt in the terminal? |
| 19:31.02 | Fredrik1994 | oh, it wasn't needed |
| 19:31.04 | Fredrik1994 | nvm then |
| 19:31.53 | lardman | El_Angelo: is it on the on-screen bit at the bottom of the term? |
| 19:32.41 | El_Angelo | it s not there while ctrl is |
| 19:32.48 | lardman | hmm ok |
| 19:32.51 | lardman | what do you want to do? |
| 19:33.00 | lardman | change vt? |
| 19:33.33 | El_Angelo | chatting from weechat need alt to switch windows |
| 19:34.29 | lardman | I don't know then I'm afraid, other than patching weechat to not need that |
| 19:35.30 | El_Angelo | k |
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| 19:37.22 | RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/moneual_001.jpg |
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| 19:46.02 | arachnist | lardman: you can always use esc+[0-9] |
| 19:46.32 | SpeedEvil | couple it to n900fly. |
| 19:46.40 | SpeedEvil | throw to 4m, window 4 |
| 19:47.54 | redeeman | haha |
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| 19:49.04 | arachnist | oh |
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| 19:52.07 | tigert | heh |
| 19:52.30 | tigert | my privmsg to konttori would be a bit challenging then |
| 19:52.50 | tigert | 32 meters would be quite challenging :) |
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| 19:53.57 | angasule_ | can anyone recommend me a font that includes IPA? droid font doesn't mention it :? |
| 19:57.27 | pupnik | someone should make an inductive charging (touchstone) kit for N900 |
| 19:58.21 | konttori | should be doable I think |
| 19:58.41 | konttori | Would need the induction coil to be glued to backplate I think. |
| 19:58.46 | pupnik | maybe a l |
| 19:58.49 | pupnik | es |
| 19:59.05 | pupnik | maybe pins sticking down to battery |
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| 19:59.28 | Jef91 | Anyon here know how to resolve this error message: "configure: error: Your db library is missing db 1.85 compatibility mode |
| 19:59.28 | Jef91 | " |
| 19:59.44 | Jef91 | I know it has to do with berkly dbs but I can't find what package I am missing to resolve said error |
| 20:00.44 | Arkenoi | is it possible to map some key combo to "fullscreen" key known to old maemo software, say, rss reader? |
| 20:00.52 | pupnik | sometimes i delete the configure test to see if it really matters |
| 20:01.17 | pupnik | iirc it was F6 but check first Arkenoi |
| 20:02.02 | pupnik | so you could edit the rx51 file to bind something to that maybe |
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| 20:05.06 | pupnik | anybody here dump sdk onto device and get it running? |
| 20:05.54 | pupnik | with a good keyboard it might be fun |
| 20:06.27 | Jaffa | lardman: pong (but that's last night, I suspect) |
| 20:08.51 | Arkenoi | pupnik: thinking on it, it has to be optified first otherwise it won't fit |
| 20:09.18 | pupnik | maybe use chroot |
| 20:09.35 | konttori | Arkenoi: You should be able to create an application that listens on bg for certain key press, then sets the X window flag of the current top most window to be full screen |
| 20:09.42 | konttori | I think that should do it |
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| 20:10.15 | pupnik | that would be useful |
| 20:11.03 | pupnik | i want terminal icon to always create a new terminal |
| 20:11.21 | pupnik | cause i gconfed my terminal to be true fullscreen |
| 20:11.36 | pupnik | for the roguelikes |
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| 20:12.16 | frals | anyone happen to know if there is a way to set priority on gprs connection? ie which one it should autoconnect to? |
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| 20:13.14 | konttori | Arkenoi: you could take the camera button to go to switcher -app as the baseline for the work |
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| 20:18.15 | konttori | wow, I needed to reinstall xcode to get qt sdk to work on osx. Apparently it doesn't come with make. |
| 20:21.02 | Jef91 | konttori - people do dev work on OSX? |
| 20:21.08 | Jef91 | Learn something new everyday I guess |
| 20:22.19 | konttori | lol! |
| 20:22.40 | konttori | I'm too lazy to boot always my vmware image of ubuntu. |
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| 20:28.05 | Jef91 | Your doing it wrong... :P |
| 20:28.09 | Jef91 | Run OSX as the vm |
| 20:28.10 | Jef91 | ;) |
| 20:29.09 | ifreq | osx is as good dev env as any lame ass n00buntu |
| 20:29.09 | Jef91 | Anyone in here know anything about berkeley dbs? |
| 20:29.13 | ShadowJK | ...and extras-devel is broken again |
| 20:29.25 | Jef91 | ShadowJK Along with the rest of the repos |
| 20:29.32 | Jef91 | I swear they are running off someone |
| 20:29.37 | Jef91 | someone's shitty DSL line |
| 20:29.42 | ShadowJK | extras and testing worked for me |
| 20:30.02 | ShadowJK | was looking for this 2g/3g applet |
| 20:30.03 | microlith | chuckles at people raging at other distros |
| 20:30.34 | type_t | so whats new this year... |
| 20:30.44 | ShadowJK | oh now it worked when I tapped refresh again |
| 20:31.52 | Pio | nyt |
| 20:32.39 | type_t | besides that is freezing because of global warming.. |
| 20:33.28 | ifreq | thinks its quite normal degrees atleast in finland |
| 20:33.40 | ifreq | no global warming fx |
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| 20:35.10 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/moto-gives-straight-advice-on-smartphone-touchscreen-quality/ |
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| 20:35.53 | ShadowJK | global warming predicts UK would get colder, amusingly |
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| 20:37.56 | cehteh | RST38h: urgs .. i didint know that capacitative is *so* much off |
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| 20:38.12 | RST38h | well, you should try this test on your n900 |
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| 20:39.40 | cehteh | did you? |
| 20:40.00 | cehteh | iirc it gives perfect straight lines |
| 20:40.21 | Jef91 | RST38h: Its a shame they don't have an N900 there |
| 20:40.23 | ShadowJK | mine doesn't :) |
| 20:40.40 | Jef91 | Although I like that 3 of the 4 run linux thehehe |
| 20:40.48 | Jef91 | even if it is Android *gags* |
| 20:41.53 | ShadowJK | with finger I get warbly lines, not jagged... with stylus i get perfect lines |
| 20:42.01 | redeeman | i wish there was a way to batch-download maps for an area with gpxview/maep |
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| 20:42.40 | cehteh | using a ruler i guess |
| 20:42.46 | cehteh | ruler & stylus |
| 20:43.40 | woglinde | reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 20:45.43 | Jef91 | just discovered there is a Tim Burton movie ad on his N900?... |
| 20:46.14 | Stskeeps | one more plus? |
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| 20:46.35 | Jef91 | and it said 09/09/09 at the end |
| 20:46.44 | Jef91 | but I've never heard if the film before |
| 20:47.04 | Stskeeps | '9' |
| 20:47.05 | Jef91 | heads to google |
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| 20:48.47 | Jef91 | oh it went straight to DVD |
| 20:48.51 | type_t | my two cents.. is that like that visual illusion where a line seems to cuve .. the curve of HID functionality is efficient for HID fo work just fine.. your eyes see curvy lines . but the screen is not used for erecting buildings. it jsut needs to work thats all.. |
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| 20:49.23 | doc|home | Jef91: it's very good |
| 20:49.35 | doc|home | Jef91: was definitely in the cinema here (Canada( |
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| 20:50.18 | Jef91 | never here in the states, at least not that I recall and I movie visit often |
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| 20:52.40 | Jef91 | I wish I could figure out this berkeley db issue. Its holding up all my porting >.< |
| 20:52.48 | range | Hmmm. It's only coming out in February here in Germany. |
| 20:52.50 | mtnbkr | is a Tim Burton fan and will need to find/rent "9" :) |
| 20:53.14 | woglinde | Jef91 hm why you need a newer libdb? |
| 20:53.24 | Jef91 | 4.2 doesn't work |
| 20:53.35 | Jef91 | thread detailing the issue: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=461567#post461567 |
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| 20:53.59 | woglinde | jef91 try one of the debian packages |
| 20:54.11 | woglinde | recompile them on scratchbox |
| 20:54.29 | range | mtnbkr: The director is called Shane Acker. |
| 20:55.46 | lardman | Jaffa: np, thanks :) |
| 20:56.11 | Jef91 | woglinde I'll try that |
| 20:56.16 | wazd_ | 9 is kinda suck |
| 20:56.17 | Jef91 | should I still use 4.2 you think? |
| 20:56.36 | matthew- | re! |
| 20:56.46 | wazd_ | That's because it is not Burtons only film |
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| 20:57.08 | wazd_ | Poor visuals, weird storyline |
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| 21:05.34 | Jef91 | woglinde have you ever installed berkeley from source before? |
| 21:05.39 | krig | ehm, is it just me, or is the maemo package builder pining for the fjords? it's even more dead than usual |
| 21:05.43 | Jef91 | Its super non-standard and not straight forward |
| 21:05.58 | woglinde | jef91 hm only through helpers |
| 21:06.04 | woglinde | linke in openembedded |
| 21:06.23 | woglinde | and I didnt looked a the debian db-packages yet |
| 21:06.32 | woglinde | I am only glad If I can zap one version |
| 21:06.38 | Jef91 | They are ugly |
| 21:06.43 | woglinde | sure |
| 21:06.55 | woglinde | thats why there are now 9 or 10 of them in debian |
| 21:06.58 | woglinde | let me see |
| 21:07.13 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.20 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=383792&eventPage=2 |
| 21:07.31 | Jef91 | Signing up for their user forums.... hopefully they have active people overthere |
| 21:07.43 | woglinde | hm libdb4.2-libdb4.9 |
| 21:07.47 | woglinde | in unstable |
| 21:07.51 | woglinde | and some libdb3 |
| 21:07.54 | woglinde | aeh one |
| 21:09.06 | Flandry | Still fighting with XSetWMHints |
| 21:09.25 | Jef91 | I hate when places take a day and a half to send activation emails |
| 21:09.36 | lardman | Jaffa: Out of interest, can you install googlelatitude from extras-devel? I have lib-qt4 issues, am wondering if this is an image version problem.... |
| 21:09.40 | Jef91 | woglinde - I can't use the debian debs because they need libc6 2.7.1 or higher |
| 21:09.57 | woglinde | jef91 adjust the deps |
| 21:10.11 | Jef91 | How? |
| 21:10.14 | woglinde | Flandry hm why fighting? |
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| 21:10.24 | woglinde | Jef91 with the editor of your choice |
| 21:10.33 | Flandry | because it couses the program to abort |
| 21:10.37 | Flandry | causes |
| 21:10.46 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:12.25 | Jef91 | How do I open the deb via CLI? |
| 21:12.48 | Flandry | "open"? |
| 21:12.57 | Chiku | dpkg something |
| 21:13.04 | luke-jr | dpkg -i some.deb IIRC |
| 21:13.19 | Flandry | -i installs it |
| 21:13.22 | Jef91 | because I'm assuming I have to open then to edit them |
| 21:13.32 | Jef91 | and then I'll need to repackage it afterwards?... |
| 21:13.35 | woglinde | Jef91 I didnt say dpkg -i the debian deb |
| 21:13.45 | woglinde | I said recompile the debian-deb in sratchbox |
| 21:13.48 | woglinde | *sigh* |
| 21:14.15 | konttori | anybody used fMMS yet? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39737 |
| 21:14.34 | Jaffa | lardman: PR1.1 doesn't work with most Qt apps |
| 21:14.40 | Flandry | did you go through the debian package maintainer guide Jef91? |
| 21:14.43 | Jef91 | Sorry woglinde, I'm lost as to what you are suggesting I should do |
| 21:14.47 | Jaffa | lardman: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7742 |
| 21:14.48 | povbot` | Bug 7742: Apps depending on libqt4-phonon won't install on 2.2009.51-1 |
| 21:14.50 | Flandry | Jaffa: nooo |
| 21:15.09 | ShadowJK | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/v/vncviewer/ <- what I wonder is if the "fremantles vnc viewer on diablo is crippled wrt hw buttons, etc.. |
| 21:15.16 | lardman | Jaffa: cool, ok, so I'm not going mad |
| 21:15.17 | lardman | thanks |
| 21:15.25 | Jef91 | Flandry: Negative |
| 21:15.29 | Jaffa | lardman: No, but how'd we tell? ;-) |
| 21:15.45 | Flandry | good place to start for deb building |
| 21:16.09 | woglinde | ShadowJK I am still working on qtnx |
| 21:16.18 | Jef91 | I know how to build a deb... |
| 21:16.30 | Jef91 | Have you looked at the libdb source? |
| 21:16.36 | lardman | Jaffa: so true, but it's not your being able to tell I worry about, it's mine! ;) |
| 21:16.46 | frals | konttori: need any help with it? ;-) |
| 21:16.51 | woglinde | Jef91 as I said, nope |
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| 21:17.06 | konttori | frals, I was just blasted that it seems to work. |
| 21:17.07 | konttori | n |
| 21:17.07 | konttori | ow |
| 21:17.07 | konttori | too |
| 21:17.08 | konttori | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.13 | Jef91 | woglinde It lacks a configure file and the README doesn't point to anything useful |
| 21:17.18 | ShadowJK | woglinde: I'm just generally confused when random apps that seem very maemo5 appear in maemo4 h-a-m :) |
| 21:17.25 | konttori | now too tired to test more (sorry, kb misbehaving) |
| 21:17.26 | frals | :) |
| 21:17.30 | woglinde | jef91 sure you made apt-get source libdb4.8? |
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| 21:17.59 | woglinde | shadowjk ah okay thats the point |
| 21:18.14 | woglinde | seems some didnt realized that he uploads to both builder |
| 21:18.23 | Jaffa | lardman: Heh :) |
| 21:18.53 | ShadowJK | woglinde: a few accelerometer apps there too |
| 21:19.03 | Jef91 | woglinde - I don't have the debian repos on my scratchbox... |
| 21:19.03 | woglinde | he jaffa |
| 21:19.08 | woglinde | hi lardman |
| 21:19.09 | Jef91 | I've been wgeting my sources |
| 21:19.25 | woglinde | jef91 aeh? |
| 21:19.38 | woglinde | jef91 apt-get source is your friend |
| 21:20.09 | Jef91 | woglinde - I don't want to add the debian repos over my sdk ones |
| 21:20.15 | Jef91 | conflicting packages and the such |
| 21:21.35 | Jef91 | woglinde - just did apt-get source and it is the same non-sense I downloaded from the website |
| 21:21.40 | Jef91 | no clue how to make it install |
| 21:23.07 | woglinde | jef91 go into the dir |
| 21:23.21 | woglinde | and run dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 21:24.00 | Jef91 | woglinde - fancy, now where on earth did you find that? |
| 21:24.25 | woglinde | *sigh* because I ambuilding debian packages for over 10 years now |
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| 21:26.28 | Jef91 | Well thats about half as long as I've been alive, so thanks ;) |
| 21:27.42 | SpeedEvil | you're 5? |
| 21:27.44 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 21:27.50 | woglinde | *g* |
| 21:27.53 | SpeedEvil | probably should get some sleep. |
| 21:28.37 | Jef91 | SpeedEvil - 19, 10 is about half of 19 ;) |
| 21:28.45 | Jef91 | haha agreed |
| 21:29.07 | woglinde | Jef91 I suggest you read some mameo developer documentation |
| 21:30.00 | Jef91 | Have a suggested starting point I should dive in at? |
| 21:30.23 | woglinde | go to maemo.org |
| 21:30.31 | woglinde | there is big entry development |
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| 21:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | bug #630 |
| 21:32.59 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630 Increased Bugzilla transparency - get the developers involved! |
| 21:35.17 | SpeedEvil | 'FIXED - Placed bugzilla machine in transparent case' |
| 21:37.15 | Chiku | will new firmware release soon? or just at begining develloppement stage? |
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| 21:38.27 | Jef91 | Chiku Your guessis as good as ours |
| 21:38.49 | Jef91 | guess is* |
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| 21:40.24 | ShadowJK | it's not the development... it's the QA... |
| 21:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | Chiku, my bet would be the next week or two. |
| 21:41.41 | Jef91 | woglinde libdb fails to compile with a checkroot error :-/ |
| 21:41.55 | Chiku | hi GeneralAntilles |
| 21:42.20 | Chiku | didn't you always on codec or enconding chans? |
| 21:42.31 | woglinde | jef91 aeh are you using sb2? |
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| 21:42.35 | GeneralAntilles | Not as far as I know. |
| 21:42.50 | Jef91 | sb2? |
| 21:42.50 | SpeedEvil | https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec hmm |
| 21:42.53 | SpeedEvil | funky |
| 21:43.02 | woglinde | scratchbox2? |
| 21:43.04 | Jef91 | oh - scratchbox2? Not sure - how do I check my version # |
| 21:43.32 | woglinde | are you using sdk or sdk+? |
| 21:43.45 | Jef91 | woglinde I didn |
| 21:43.53 | Chiku | someone success to display 1440x720 video ? |
| 21:43.56 | Jef91 | I didn't setup the SDK I'm using - its on a friends server |
| 21:44.22 | Jef91 | Not sure what versions he used. |
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| 21:45.49 | woglinde | Chiku nope |
| 21:45.57 | SpeedEvil | somewhat off-topic - how do I as a user on a box say that I want to log in as root by default to ssh on the phone. To avoid typing root@ lots |
| 21:46.04 | woglinde | Chiku only hd720p is supported |
| 21:46.14 | ShadowJK | woglinde, uh? |
| 21:46.28 | ShadowJK | 480p you mean |
| 21:46.37 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i think with per-host entry in your ssh config. |
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| 21:46.52 | woglinde | ShadowJK the sgx can 720p |
| 21:47.16 | ShadowJK | Rendering 3D at 720p doesn't help you decode video |
| 21:47.24 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 21:47.30 | Chiku | woglinde, do you have max encoding spec on n900 ? |
| 21:47.33 | woglinde | *g* okay |
| 21:47.42 | ShadowJK | DSP+IVA2 might be able to do it, I guess. |
| 21:47.59 | woglinde | ShadowJK jupp I always mix the stuff |
| 21:48.00 | woglinde | sorry |
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| 21:48.21 | ShadowJK | does openmax stuff use iva btw? |
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| 21:49.25 | woglinde | ShadowJK I fear only the dsp |
| 21:49.49 | ShadowJK | then I imagine 480p is the limit :) |
| 21:50.08 | woglinde | but I am not sure |
| 21:51.45 | woglinde | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?literatureNumber=sprs640&fileType=pdf |
| 21:53.23 | thorbjorn | I lost the link to the web upload form for the fremantle autobuilder. |
| 21:53.33 | thorbjorn | Does anybody know where to find it? |
| 21:53.35 | timeless_mbp | google will help you find it :) |
| 21:53.39 | krig | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php |
| 21:53.40 | thorbjorn | Alright. :) |
| 21:54.06 | thorbjorn | Thanks a bunch. |
| 21:54.10 | woglinde | hi timeless |
| 21:54.15 | ShadowJK | woglinde, that's not about video decoding afaict |
| 21:54.27 | woglinde | aeh? |
| 21:54.40 | timeless_mbp | hi |
| 21:54.42 | woglinde | there is 720p and 480p mentioned |
| 21:54.47 | woglinde | so I guess this fits |
| 21:54.52 | woglinde | and!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:54.55 | woglinde | its linux |
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| 21:56.28 | ShadowJK | this is just about display stuff and using the camera input.. |
| 21:57.30 | ShadowJK | So yeah, all it means is that if you hook it up to HDMI it can drive it at 720p? |
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| 21:58.14 | woglinde | ShadowJK *g* so better than nothing |
| 21:58.36 | SpeedEvil | I need to look up the specs of hte composite out port and see what it can be abused to. |
| 21:58.40 | pH5 | afaik there are vendors that have 720p h264 bp codecs running on the dsp (google beagle board h264 720p). |
| 21:58.44 | ShadowJK | With the right codec choice I can make MPlayer decode 1080p and scale it to 800x480 for N900 too |
| 21:58.51 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it'll have an antialiasing filter on the out - which is unfortunate |
| 21:58.54 | ShadowJK | but that's pretty pointless |
| 22:00.08 | pH5 | right. too bad omap3 only has the composite output :) |
| 22:00.19 | thorbjorn | If I submit a failed build another time, do I need to increase the version number? I can still see the old failed entry in the builder directory even now that I uploaded it again after fixing it. |
| 22:00.50 | pH5 | thorbjorn: if the build failed, you can upload again without changing the number. |
| 22:00.50 | woglinde | thorbjorn no |
| 22:01.01 | woglinde | hi ph5 btw. |
| 22:01.02 | thorbjorn | Alright, thanks. I'll just see what'll happen. :) |
| 22:01.13 | pH5 | woglinde: :) |
| 22:01.25 | ShadowJK | hm, felipec on his blog says the publicly available codecs can't do 720p |
| 22:01.48 | woglinde | ShadowJK jepp |
| 22:01.50 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing this is probably because the actual video decode acceleration components are closed |
| 22:01.58 | woglinde | jupp |
| 22:02.01 | ShadowJK | And the publicly available ones only use DSP |
| 22:02.12 | woglinde | see the theora support blog |
| 22:03.01 | woglinde | ShadowJK and the joke is there two different subcidies at ti making the dsp stuff |
| 22:03.14 | woglinde | or providing it to customers |
| 22:03.15 | ShadowJK | sounds normal |
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| 22:03.52 | woglinde | shadowjk -> http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ |
| 22:03.58 | ShadowJK | Like the HDAPS stuff where one section of IBM made the hw and a second made drivers, and a third reverse engineered both to give give documentation for opensource people |
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| 22:06.14 | mtd | would like to increase the root partition size...anyone know a good apt source for gparted? |
| 22:06.21 | mtd | (err, of my n900) |
| 22:06.30 | woglinde | mtd no |
| 22:06.41 | woglinde | mtd for you problem the solution is optify |
| 22:06.56 | mtd | googles for optify |
| 22:07.07 | SpeedEvil | mtd: / is on a 256M device |
| 22:07.10 | Stskeeps | mtd: ironically, root partition is in MTD, that is NAND |
| 22:07.10 | woglinde | maemo optify |
| 22:07.13 | SpeedEvil | mtd: you can't easily replace this. |
| 22:07.16 | Stskeeps | which is 256mb size |
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| 22:11.57 | mtd | SpeedEvil, Stskeeps: ah. ugh. |
| 22:12.27 | mtd | is finding the root device a bit small for the bloat of pkgs I want to install. |
| 22:12.50 | Stskeeps | mtd: it is possible to clone to SD at cost of performance |
| 22:12.54 | mtd | has 22M free |
| 22:12.59 | mtd | Stskeeps: ah |
| 22:13.19 | Flandry | there are some pretty bloated libraries that could be optified |
| 22:13.28 | thorbjorn | Is private messaging disabled on talk.maemo.org? I get a "thorbjorn, you do not have permission to access this page." when clicking to Private Messages. |
| 22:13.38 | Stskeeps | thorbjorn: if you have too low posts or something |
| 22:13.48 | thorbjorn | Hrm, so I need to spam a bit... |
| 22:14.09 | woglinde | mtd as I said the problem is know |
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| 22:14.18 | type-t | # i got something for the bsddb185 thing.. |
| 22:14.23 | woglinde | the solution for now is maemo optify |
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| 22:15.29 | mtd | woglinde: sure, thanks. |
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| 22:19.59 | type-t | # anyway /usr/lib/python2.4/test/test_bsddb185.pyo .py .pyc thing.. :P |
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| 22:21.48 | jhp | Hi everyone. I have a N900 and everything is very nice, except for one thing. The email clients, when used in imap mode, does not cache the headers of your mailboxes which results in long wait times when going to you inbox, upto situations where the clients drains your phone so quickly that it can't be charged anymore. |
| 22:22.26 | jhp | I'm wandering if there is some mail / imap client that can be installed that is working and that intergrates nicely with the address book. |
| 22:22.37 | PaulFertser | jhp: it's already discussed that pre-installed e-mail and calendar apps are unusable, feel free to search/open bugs.maemo.org... |
| 22:23.16 | wazd_ | My shot on Mer boot video: http://blip.tv/file/3066249 |
| 22:23.28 | PaulFertser | jhp: i'm sorry but i have no idea what api the address book uses, you gotta wait for somebody else to anwer. |
| 22:23.31 | mtd | PaulFertser: what alternates are recommended? |
| 22:23.47 | PaulFertser | mtd: well, i'd use mutt on any device :) |
| 22:23.51 | mtd | jhp: I was wondering about running offlineimap + local dovecot and pointing the mail client to that |
| 22:23.57 | mtd | PaulFertser: mutt FTW |
| 22:23.57 | ShadowJK | I use claws-mail on N810... I don't think it's that "ready" yet for N900 though... I haven't tried it there. |
| 22:24.49 | mtd | ...but dovecot reminds me that I can't find it in the maemo repos. |
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| 22:25.43 | jhp | mtd: What do you mean by running "offlineimap + local dovecot " |
| 22:25.44 | xorAxAx | claws-mail is in -devel |
| 22:25.57 | mtd | is there some apt source that I can safely add that has like, the normal software one might expect from a debian install (of course I'd want to configure it in such a way that any maemo-source-provided package would always take precedence) |
| 22:25.59 | PaulFertser | mtd: what are advantages of using an additional local imap server comparing to just offline-imap? |
| 22:26.09 | jhp | Do you really mean to install a local dovecot server on your n900 and get your mail there ? |
| 22:26.21 | mtd | jhp: run offlineimap to talk to the real IMAP server and sync the mail to a local maildir |
| 22:26.31 | range | Ummm. |
| 22:26.41 | mtd | jhp: and then point the n900 client to that local store |
| 22:26.54 | mtd | PaulFertser: hmm, havne't thought it through. |
| 22:27.14 | range | I have no problem with long wait times on the n900 when running against dovecot. |
| 22:27.26 | papo | hm |
| 22:27.34 | papo | I don't understand how HAL works |
| 22:27.36 | mtd | PaulFertser: I can't remember whether offline imap will store the mail locally in a format usable by an IMAP _client_. |
| 22:27.47 | PaulFertser | papo: do not bother, it's deprecated already anyway ;) |
| 22:27.54 | greenfly | wait I see people are mentioning mutt, did someone port mutt? |
| 22:27.59 | xorAxAx | offlineimap does maildir |
| 22:28.07 | PaulFertser | mtd: is there any MUA that can't read traditional mailboxes or maildir? |
| 22:28.08 | mtd | xorAxAx: indeed |
| 22:28.19 | mtd | PaulFertser: does the n900 pre-installed one? |
| 22:28.22 | mtd | (...do so?) |
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| 22:28.45 | mtd | greenfly: would it need to be ported? |
| 22:28.46 | greenfly | I think having offlineimap on the n900 run all the time would really drain the battery |
| 22:28.52 | papo | PaulFertser: well I'm not sure. I've been profiling the charging process of the battery but something is seriously wrong |
| 22:29.01 | mtd | greenfly: more than checking the IMAP server every 5 minutes? |
| 22:29.19 | PaulFertser | mtd: i mean a sane MUA, guess the pre-installed one can't be sane by definition :) |
| 22:29.20 | papo | PaulFertser: so I'm wondering where the number comes from which is reported by lshal |
| 22:29.20 | greenfly | mtd: not necessarily, so far I've been running mutt in my screen session on a remote machine (just like irssi) |
| 22:29.27 | mtd | greenfly: having anything run all the time would drain the battery. |
| 22:29.31 | greenfly | mtd: definitely, as it has to hit the local file system |
| 22:29.37 | mtd | greenfly: me too, but it's annoying to view images that way. |
| 22:29.45 | PaulFertser | papo: the number in hal comes from osso-bme-hal plugin or something like that. |
| 22:29.47 | greenfly | mtd: that "rsync" as it were, takes far more energy than asking an IMAP server how many new messages it has |
| 22:30.02 | mtd | greenfly: the operations are logically exactly the same. |
| 22:30.03 | greenfly | mtd: yeah, exactly. that's why I'd like a local mutt instance |
| 22:30.05 | papo | PaulFertser: hm so it's open sourced and I could check the code? |
| 22:30.23 | greenfly | mtd: the implementations are way different |
| 22:30.29 | PaulFertser | papo: sure not, nokia doesn't consider battery charging or even monitoring as anything suitable for outsiders. |
| 22:30.36 | greenfly | mtd: with offlineimap you have two separate sets of files that you are trying to keep in sync both ways |
| 22:30.42 | mtd | greenfly: "how many IMAP messages are new" (n900 pre-installed mail app asks remote IMAP server0 vs "how many IMAP messages are new" (offlineimap asks remote IMAP) |
| 22:30.48 | greenfly | mtd: which means hitting the local disk and traversing the local maildir every time |
| 22:31.03 | greenfly | mtd: I'm talking about local resource usage |
| 22:31.03 | papo | PaulFertser: no not the code for charging the battery |
| 22:31.13 | mtd | greenfly: we are talking past each other |
| 22:31.14 | greenfly | mtd: offlineimap takes substantial CPU and local disk |
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| 22:31.21 | papo | PaulFertser: the code that reports back the current voltage |
| 22:31.25 | SpeedEvil | hmm. pulseaudio could be worse. |
| 22:31.38 | greenfly | mtd: much more than something like, say, a fetchmail query |
| 22:31.47 | mtd | greenfly: if you've measure offlineimap vs n900 pre-installed app, ok. Have you? |
| 22:31.54 | SpeedEvil | yes - it's using about the same power as mp3 decoding - but looking at cpy freqs - it's mostly at 250MHz |
| 22:32.03 | mtd | greenfly: that assertion is in no way obviously true. |
| 22:32.05 | greenfly | mtd: silly question as it's not ported |
| 22:32.07 | papo | hey SpeedEvil. Seems like you were right the other day, battery.voltage.current contains very odd stuff |
| 22:32.08 | PaulFertser | papo: i'm afraid that's all closed. There was some reverse-engineering work on n810, no idea how much that is applicable to n900. |
| 22:32.18 | SpeedEvil | papo: I am always right! |
| 22:32.27 | SpeedEvil | papo: Except when the minute is divisible by three. |
| 22:32.55 | mtd | is there a debian arm repo that can be used with the n900 maemo repos? |
| 22:33.05 | greenfly | mtd: it's not worth arguing about it I suppose, if you think that performing a remote IMAP query takes the same energy as traversing a local maildir with thousands of messages and then comparing them with a remote IMAP folder, than so be it |
| 22:33.17 | mtd | greenfly: apples and oranges. |
| 22:33.28 | mtd | greenfly: how do you know what to query for in that remote IMAP query? |
| 22:33.42 | mtd | greenfly: you are comparing the local list of messages to the remote list of messages in both cases. |
| 22:33.57 | greenfly | not at all |
| 22:34.03 | greenfly | with IMAP there are no local list of messages |
| 22:34.07 | greenfly | the messages reside on the server |
| 22:34.18 | greenfly | that's the whole point of IMAP |
| 22:34.26 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: Well - it is complex. Someone over in ##electronics is trying to make a battery pack for his laptop. The lithium batteries can supply 35A (5*7 - there will be 5 cells in series). 7A - as that's what they measure when measured on the 10A range of a DMM. |
| 22:34.51 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I'm suspecting this won't end well. |
| 22:34.56 | greenfly | mtd: again, compare how long it takes offlineimap to run on your machine with running a fetchmail -c |
| 22:34.56 | mtd | greenfly: no, of course there is a local cache |
| 22:35.00 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, indeed. |
| 22:35.03 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: am i missing some context? |
| 22:35.18 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: of batterires - you were mentioning battery charging above |
| 22:35.18 | mtd | greenfly: i have just disconnected my n900 client from the network entirely and i see all my messages in the n900 mail client. |
| 22:35.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: because i have no idea why you talk about it. Though it's interesting indeed . |
| 22:35.26 | greenfly | mtd: local caches vary based on the client |
| 22:35.30 | mtd | greenfly: and I can read all the ones I've already read |
| 22:35.33 | ShadowJK | If the batteries are specced for 7A, then putting 5 in series doesn't mean you can pull 35A. Using the 10A range on DMM to measure a battery is essentially same as short circuiting it, which is a bad idea. |
| 22:35.35 | greenfly | mtd: it might cache a message /once you download it/ |
| 22:35.45 | greenfly | but otherwise it usually caches only the headers until you read the message |
| 22:35.51 | greenfly | and then at that point it pulls down the full message |
| 22:35.52 | mtd | greenfly: err, I thought that was so obvious I wouldn't mention it |
| 22:35.57 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - exactly. |
| 22:36.15 | greenfly | mtd: I still don't understand why you are arguing about it with me |
| 22:36.21 | greenfly | offlineimap takes some time to run |
| 22:36.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: and the moral is? |
| 22:36.22 | mtd | greenfly: and yeah, you think offlineimap is so stupid as to read each message in entirety when comparing local medssages vs remote rather than checking some message header/ids? |
| 22:36.24 | greenfly | I know. I use it all the time |
| 22:36.38 | mtd | greenfly: so does the n900 pre-installed client |
| 22:36.48 | greenfly | it doesn't read them, it likely does some sort of limited checksum |
| 22:37.16 | mtd | greenfly: like I said, the operations are the same. compare remote messages verses local. I agree implementations differ, but as neither of us have measured them I see little point in arguing about the implementations. |
| 22:37.24 | papo | SpeedEvil: http://snowball2.ethz.ch/charge.png |
| 22:37.38 | greenfly | mtd: IMAP clients don't compare local and remote |
| 22:37.45 | greenfly | they ask the remote server whether there are any new messages |
| 22:37.49 | greenfly | if so, they pull down those headers |
| 22:38.02 | greenfly | when you choose to open a particular message, the client pulls down that message's content |
| 22:38.29 | greenfly | again, a simple comparison would be to compare fetchmail -c versus what offlineimap does |
| 22:38.44 | mtd | greenfly: how exactly do you define "new" without reference to messages the client has already seen? |
| 22:38.47 | greenfly | since you aren't running a local IMAP server, offlineimap has to traverse each maildir |
| 22:38.53 | mtd | greenfly: I'm not sure what you're trying to convince me of. |
| 22:39.06 | greenfly | mtd: with IMAP and maildirs, it's done by messages being in the new versus cur directories |
| 22:39.19 | papo | SpeedEvil: I seriously hope that the controller is just reporting a wrong value back... |
| 22:39.36 | greenfly | mtd: I'm just trying to say that offlineimap running as often as one would like it to run to be useful, would IMO drain the battery of a n900 considerably |
| 22:40.10 | mtd | greenfly: *shrug* ok. not obviously true AFAICS. But thanks for trying to convince me of it :( |
| 22:40.19 | mtd | :) |
| 22:40.25 | greenfly | try this: run time offlineimap |
| 22:40.30 | greenfly | then set up fetchmail with the same folders |
| 22:40.34 | greenfly | and run: time fetchmail -c |
| 22:40.41 | jhp | greenfly: Not completly, because when you have multiple clients that are after each other accessing the same maildir, only the first one move the messages from new to cur. All clients just know the last header they have and ask if their is anything new since that header. |
| 22:41.09 | xorAxAx | is the n900 usable as a vibrator? |
| 22:41.15 | jhp | They get all new headers, also when they are in cur. |
| 22:41.23 | mtd | greenfly: any suggestions as to where I could get offlineimap for the n900? |
| 22:41.39 | greenfly | mtd: it's a python script, right? I imagine it wouldn't take much effort to port |
| 22:41.49 | jhp | xorAxAx: I'd have to ask my wife, but I don't want to waste my N900 on that ;-) |
| 22:41.49 | greenfly | 9/10ths of it would probably be optifying the ARM package |
| 22:42.21 | xorAxAx | jhp: slide it into some foil |
| 22:42.23 | greenfly | xorAxAx: seems like the n900 is a bit pricey compared to comparable sex toys |
| 22:42.28 | mtd | greenfly: why would a python script require any porting? |
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| 22:42.43 | mtd | greenfly: ah, I don't know about optifying. |
| 22:42.51 | greenfly | mtd: "port" in the sense of moving the files to be stored under /opt |
| 22:42.58 | mtd | greenfly: ok. |
| 22:43.01 | greenfly | mtd: as the / partition on the n900 is 256Mb |
| 22:43.01 | slonopotamus | vibrator script, launcheable via ssh. muahaha |
| 22:43.05 | xorAxAx | greenfly: indeed, but if the vibration system is rock solid |
| 22:43.27 | mtd | xorAxAx: google for tele-dildonics and stop asking silly questions. |
| 22:43.33 | greenfly | it's possible offlineimap uses python libraries that haven't been packaged for the n900 but I don't know one way or the other right now |
| 22:43.43 | mtd | greenfly: sure. |
| 22:43.59 | greenfly | mtd: if you are comfortable repackaging .debs, it shouldn't take much effort |
| 22:44.09 | krig | Hmm, I wonder if it's possible for an app to take over the camera button (especially a game) - would make it quite nice to hold the phone in portrait mode, can move with keyboard with one hand and fire with camera button on the other |
| 22:44.19 | xorAxAx | mtd: ok, will have a look |
| 22:44.20 | greenfly | mtd: I'd just repackage it to move all the files to /opt/offlineimap and then have the deb post-install script set up the appropriate symlinks |
| 22:44.35 | jhp | mutt doesn't understand the address book right ? |
| 22:44.58 | PaulFertser | jhp: it understand a text file you can probably dump address book to. |
| 22:45.06 | mtd | greenfly: I have to read about optifying. Is there any web page you'd recommend? Google just tells me about loads of maemo-devel messages. |
| 22:45.07 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: there are bluetooth devices for that. |
| 22:45.11 | jhp | But am I correct to think that mutt does cache the headers correctly ? |
| 22:45.13 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: waterproof ones. |
| 22:45.21 | greenfly | mtd: I'm just using "optify" as a generic term |
| 22:45.23 | SpeedEvil | krig: see camerad |
| 22:45.32 | xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: sounds expensive |
| 22:45.41 | greenfly | mtd: essentially what I mean is just the process of taking an app and moving all its files to a directory under /opt |
| 22:45.47 | SpeedEvil | krig: however that does not quite take over the cam button - it only takes over the half-press stage |
| 22:45.53 | greenfly | mtd: look, for instance, of how a package like vim is packaged on maemo |
| 22:45.54 | mtd | greenfly: ah. I thought you referred to maemo-optify (which I can find mentioned as apt-get installable on the mailing list but can't find in any repos) or python-optify. |
| 22:46.11 | mtd | (which is apt-get installable for me) |
| 22:46.17 | greenfly | mtd: I'm not well-versed in those packages so I'm not sure maybe they'd help |
| 22:46.28 | krig | SpeedEvil: cool.. i'll have to play with that :) |
| 22:46.37 | greenfly | mtd: I'd take a look at how the vim package does it (dpkg -L vim) and then try to do something similar for offlineimap |
| 22:48.25 | slonopotamus | is really sad to see everyone buried in maemoization process instead of creating new/improving existing programs. |
| 22:49.04 | greenfly | slonopotamus: should get easier as everyone gets used to the new layout |
| 22:49.15 | PaulFertser | jhp: yes, mutt does cache the headers |
| 22:49.54 | slonopotamus | greenfly, it should be a noop. took ubuntu package, dpkg -i, run. |
| 22:49.56 | greenfly | slonopotamus: why in the world would you think that? |
| 22:50.02 | greenfly | slonopotamus: they are different distributions for one |
| 22:50.11 | greenfly | so library versions, etc. would be different |
| 22:50.28 | greenfly | you can't just take any .deb and install it on any existing ubuntu or debian release |
| 22:50.42 | slonopotamus | sure. pick a compatible version. |
| 22:51.07 | greenfly | in the case of the n900, design decisions had to be made so that things like firmware updates could work |
| 22:51.19 | krig | slonopotamus: it's not that simple. can't even install .debs for different versions of debian without issues |
| 22:51.31 | greenfly | so if you happened to brick your device, you could potentially get it back to a running state with a firmware install |
| 22:51.47 | slonopotamus | krig, different versions - yep |
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| 22:52.03 | greenfly | to do that, there had to be some separation between the "system" or "firmware" files, and any packages installed later |
| 22:52.22 | greenfly | the design decision in this case (please let's not argue about it here yet again) was to use /opt |
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| 22:52.41 | slonopotamus | that's why i'm sad about maemo |
| 22:52.43 | krig | for one, it needs to be compiled for ARM instead of x86 to work on the N900 |
| 22:52.46 | greenfly | which, if you read the filesystem hierarchy standard, and expand your definition of "third-party applications", makes some sense |
| 22:52.56 | palceioa | hi i am interested in applying to maemo for gsoc-10 |
| 22:53.05 | palceioa | who do i talk to? |
| 22:53.31 | woglinde_ | palceioa wait till next gsoc announcemnet |
| 22:53.40 | slonopotamus | greenfly, the only thing tha t matters is that it involves manual changes to each and every package. |
| 22:53.57 | greenfly | slonopotamus: what we have now, is essentially the best compromise that could be made to satisfy the requirements based on the limitations of the device |
| 22:54.10 | greenfly | slonopotamus: yeah. it's a new linux distribution |
| 22:54.11 | lardman | night all |
| 22:54.28 | greenfly | slonopotamus: again, you can't expect a debian sid package to automatically work on Ubuntu karmic |
| 22:54.45 | greenfly | they are different distributions and if you want a package to work on both, you may have to do a little bit of work to port it |
| 22:54.46 | palceioa | woglinde_, gsoc10 will probably happen, rumours surround that. do you have any suggestions that i might do to get into Maemo dev, rather experience maemo beforehand? |
| 22:55.05 | krig | the whole thing is pretty automatable though - I wouldn't be surprised to see auto-optification tools popping up soon that do the whole thing without any manual work |
| 22:55.13 | greenfly | in the case of the maemo5 distribution, this means taking an ARM package and organizing it so it stores its files in /opt |
| 22:55.20 | frals | anyone feel adventurous and needs to add a new GPRS APN on their N900? please test fAPN from testing and vote for it ;-) |
| 22:55.25 | greenfly | krig: yeah, I mean it's the kind of thing a script could easily do |
| 22:55.29 | slonopotamus | greenfly, i can expect debian source package to build and work correctly under ubuntu _without_ any modifications. |
| 22:55.36 | SpeedEvil | frals: is there any way to do the reverse? |
| 22:55.41 | greenfly | ie: "Take all packages under /usr, move to /opt/packagename, create symlinks" |
| 22:55.44 | palceioa | sounds cool frals |
| 22:55.54 | SpeedEvil | frals: to extract what APN is being used |
| 22:56.04 | slonopotamus | greenfly, claiming that current decision was 'the best' needs some proof. |
| 22:56.07 | greenfly | slonopotamus: again, no amount of complaining is going to make / on the n900 greater than 256Mb |
| 22:56.16 | mtd | frals: saw fapn but I don't know how it'd be useful, sorry. need to google APN. |
| 22:56.19 | greenfly | it's NAND flash |
| 22:56.37 | frals | should be a way to get the currently used one with dbus or libconic, not sure though |
| 22:56.39 | slonopotamus | greenfly, heck, don't put / on nand flash and this limitation is gome |
| 22:56.51 | krig | greenfly: well, one thing that I at least think was a major mistake was allocating most of the MMC to a FAT32 partition. That's just.. icky. |
| 22:56.52 | slonopotamus | s/gome/gone/ |
| 22:57.17 | greenfly | slonopotamus: tell me your best effort design decision considering a 256Mb NAND flash, and 32Mb regular flash, that allows third parties to install packages but also allows someone to fix a broken device with a firmware install |
| 22:57.19 | frals | mtd: adds a new itnernet access point for GPRS in "internet connections" on the device, currently the UI doesnt permit adding one |
| 22:57.58 | greenfly | also, for fun, add on the requirement that when a user plugs in a USB drive into a windows system, that it can read and store some files somewhere |
| 22:58.00 | ali1234 | greenfly: put / on NAND and /usr on flash, and don't install any firmware parts in /usr |
| 22:58.12 | greenfly | er, not usb drive, when the user plugs in the n900 to a windows machine I meant |
| 22:58.28 | slonopotamus | greenfly, i don't see why firmware install should be any different from reinstall on desktop. |
| 22:58.41 | krig | greenfly: that's what the SD expansion slot is for ;P |
| 22:58.43 | greenfly | ali1234: doesn't the firmware include things like X, and other important libs like python? |
| 22:58.45 | SpeedEvil | greenfly: that could in principle be done with a FS->FAT translation layer |
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| 22:58.50 | ali1234 | greenfly: yes. so what? |
| 22:58.54 | SpeedEvil | greenfly: that would be more code though |
| 22:59.09 | slonopotamus | greenfly, just throw away nand. and leave all the rest as is, putting / on sd. |
| 22:59.13 | greenfly | ali1234: shouldn't that be under /usr according to the FHS? |
| 22:59.36 | SpeedEvil | I organise my linux boxes according to the FSM. |
| 22:59.43 | SpeedEvil | All hail his noodlyness. |
| 22:59.50 | ali1234 | greenfly: so what? |
| 23:00.01 | greenfly | slonopotamus: how does firmware upgrades versus 3rd-party packages work in your model? |
| 23:00.07 | krig | everything installs to /pasta |
| 23:00.22 | SpeedEvil | krig: naah. ~-~~~~~ |
| 23:00.25 | greenfly | ali1234: so now all the firmware packages and libraries (including python) are in /bin and /sbin and /lib? |
| 23:00.27 | slonopotamus | greenfly, the same way it works on your desktop. |
| 23:00.31 | mtd | frals: thx |
| 23:00.32 | ali1234 | greenfly: yes |
| 23:00.47 | SpeedEvil | union FS |
| 23:00.49 | greenfly | I can't believe now I have to argue on Nokia's behalf for /opt with all of you |
| 23:00.58 | luke-jr | greenfly: firmware is under /lib/firmware |
| 23:00.59 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.03 | ali1234 | greenfly: you don't have to, you won't convince us anyay |
| 23:01.05 | greenfly | I'm just saying that it was a design decision they made at the time to try to compromise between a few competing needs |
| 23:01.08 | greenfly | it works okay |
| 23:01.09 | mtd | greenfly: heh |
| 23:01.09 | slonopotamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.18 | greenfly | I don't necessarily like it myself but it's not like it's going to be changed |
| 23:01.25 | greenfly | slonopotamus: I hate /opt myself, I'm a /usr/local guy |
| 23:01.26 | ali1234 | even the way /opt/ has been implemented is crap |
| 23:01.26 | luke-jr | greenfly: /usr should never be needed to boot. |
| 23:01.29 | greenfly | but oh well. it's where it is |
| 23:01.38 | greenfly | luke-jr: no offense, but duh |
| 23:01.46 | greenfly | it's stated clearly in the FHS |
| 23:01.51 | ali1234 | they could have implemented it such that configure --prefix=/opt would work |
| 23:01.52 | slonopotamus | greenfly, i just said i was sad :P |
| 23:02.00 | ali1234 | but instead they decided to invent a new and broken system |
| 23:02.08 | woglinde_ | hi lau |
| 23:02.11 | woglinde_ | args |
| 23:02.15 | krig | greenfly: honestly, it's obvious they realised there was a problem WAY too late, and this is an emergency fix. Not to say it ruins everything, it's not a big deal |
| 23:02.16 | woglinde_ | hi ali I meant |
| 23:02.18 | luke-jr | greenfly: also, FHS doesn't require X under /usr |
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| 23:02.41 | greenfly | luke-jr: no it doesn't, but it seems to obviate moving it to /bin |
| 23:02.55 | greenfly | er, not obviate, but it seems to restrict it |
| 23:03.01 | luke-jr | shrug |
| 23:03.06 | greenfly | since you want / to be as small as possible |
| 23:03.09 | luke-jr | so there's no X unless your /usr mounts |
| 23:03.15 | luke-jr | that's livable as long as console works |
| 23:03.23 | greenfly | this means trying to restrict libs and binaries in /bin, /sbin/, and /lib to only what you must have to mount /usr |
| 23:03.32 | ShadowJK | on NetBSD, all extra packages are installed with a prefix of /usr/pkg... a similar solution would be nice :-( |
| 23:03.46 | Macer | men's warehouse is talking about how you rent a tux for your wedding day? |
| 23:03.52 | Macer | wtf rents a tux for their wedding? |
| 23:04.06 | greenfly | people who don't own a tux? |
| 23:04.13 | luke-jr | Macer: no clue, I just wore whatever was in my dresser :D |
| 23:04.13 | Macer | so poor people? |
| 23:04.14 | ali1234 | people who listen to marketing? |
| 23:04.33 | Macer | i mean it was like this huge wedding they were showing and they were talking about renting a tux? |
| 23:04.34 | greenfly | Macer: depends I guess |
| 23:04.37 | Macer | :) |
| 23:04.39 | Macer | that's just ghetto |
| 23:04.45 | Macer | i mean i could understand if you elope or something |
| 23:04.54 | Macer | but for a REAL wedding ? |
| 23:04.58 | mtd | Macer: how many tuxes do you own? |
| 23:05.02 | greenfly | in the modern age, at least in the US, there are fewer and fewer occaisions (at least in the middle class and below) to need a tux |
| 23:05.11 | luke-jr | Macer: why *not* rent for a one-time thing? :P |
| 23:05.16 | Macer | well. a tux 1 but it's old. but i have a lot of suits |
| 23:05.19 | greenfly | even at the opera most people wear a regular suit |
| 23:05.31 | greenfly | at least here in san francisco |
| 23:05.35 | Macer | a tux is a little different than a nice suit tho :) |
| 23:05.39 | SpeedEvil | I bought a suit at the beginning of the year. |
| 23:05.41 | jhp | PaulFertser: Are their for mutt on the n900 ? |
| 23:05.47 | SpeedEvil | Wore it once. |
| 23:05.52 | Macer | luke-jr: because it is something you keep |
| 23:05.58 | luke-jr | Macer: packrat |
| 23:05.59 | SpeedEvil | This year I have lost ~15kg. |
| 23:06.03 | PaulFertser | jhp: no idea, sorry |
| 23:06.04 | Macer | luke-jr: not really |
| 23:06.04 | woglinde_ | hm mutt with touchscreen |
| 23:06.04 | mtd | Macer: if one gets married before 3pm, it's annoying to get a morning suit that one will rarely use. |
| 23:06.05 | SpeedEvil | And plan to lose a total of 25Kg |
| 23:06.08 | SpeedEvil | So it's useless. |
| 23:06.10 | luke-jr | suits are overrated |
| 23:06.18 | PaulFertser | woglinde_: i tried it and it's ok |
| 23:06.30 | woglinde_ | PaulFertser *g* |
| 23:06.41 | luke-jr | if it keeps you warm and isn't an eyesore, good |
| 23:06.51 | greenfly | Macer: I know when I got married, I didn't have the extra money to buy a tux |
| 23:07.03 | Macer | greenfly: then you should have waited until you did :) |
| 23:07.14 | luke-jr | Macer: you're not one to talk ;) |
| 23:07.17 | greenfly | seems like sound logic |
| 23:07.46 | luke-jr | an expensive ring, I can understand |
| 23:07.49 | Macer | greenfly: well. in my eyes. if you have to rent a tux for one of the most important days of your life where you will be married to a woman you love... |
| 23:07.58 | Macer | then you don't have enough money to support a family :) |
| 23:08.06 | luke-jr | it represents financial security and can provide for a bit in case of the husband dying |
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| 23:08.27 | mtd | greenfly: you're not married, I take it. Especially if you told your fiance "I'd love to get married, but let's just wait until I get my tux." |
| 23:08.29 | Macer | i mean do women rent their wedding dress? that doesn't sound normal |
| 23:08.33 | mtd | Macer, sorry |
| 23:08.47 | krig | New version of jamaendo, test/vote please: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/jamaendo/0.2.5-1/ |
| 23:08.47 | Macer | mtd: i was ;) but i eloped.. wore a suit that i owned though haha |
| 23:08.54 | pillar | Macer it happens |
| 23:08.55 | mtd | can't believe he's participating, goes back to configuring offlineimap on his n900. |
| 23:08.56 | luke-jr | Macer: buying clothing you will never wear again is just insane |
| 23:09.15 | Macer | luke-jr: if you say so :) |
| 23:09.19 | greenfly | mtd: I was being sarcastic |
| 23:09.27 | SpeedEvil | The big question is about storage of clothing you use once. Do you put it in /opt or Mydocs? |
| 23:09.27 | Macer | mtd: hahaha |
| 23:09.35 | luke-jr | hahaha |
| 23:09.36 | mtd | greenfly: sorry that was meant for Macer |
| 23:09.43 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, :D |
| 23:09.47 | Macer | SpeedEvil: Mydocs/Pictures ;) |
| 23:09.51 | luke-jr | mtd: Macer's wife left him or something |
| 23:10.14 | Macer | luke-jr: no. we ended it bitter and in divorce .. it was a mutual hatred for one another towards the end |
| 23:10.21 | Macer | :) |
| 23:10.30 | Macer | maybe because we didn't get married in the church? |
| 23:10.35 | Macer | lol |
| 23:10.47 | mtd | Macer: maybe because you told her you needed to delay the wedding until you bought a tux. |
| 23:11.03 | mtd | laps himself, back to .offlineimaprc |
| 23:11.16 | luke-jr | Macer: there is no such thing as divorce, kthx |
| 23:11.20 | Macer | mtd: naw.. we eloped. went and got her a very nice dress and i already had a few nice suits one of which i wore ;) |
| 23:11.25 | Macer | luke-jr: if you say so too |
| 23:11.42 | Macer | mtd: but when i got married i knew i could get a tux if i needed to is what i'm saying. |
| 23:12.09 | luke-jr | by mugging someone? |
| 23:12.10 | luke-jr | <., |
| 23:12.12 | luke-jr | <.<* |
| 23:12.15 | mtd | Macer: your ideas are fascinating and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 23:12.20 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 23:12.22 | slonopotamus | >.> |
| 23:12.26 | Macer | :) |
| 23:13.43 | Macer | well. what's more important? the marriage or the love? |
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| 23:14.12 | mtd | Macer: you don't have to justify anything to me. |
| 23:14.57 | luke-jr | Macer: the marriage is more important |
| 23:14.59 | Macer | if a woman truly loves you she will not care about a marriage .. or if you told her that you wanted to wait so you can be on more firm ground so when you start a life together everything will be worked out instead of rolling the dice and taking a chance with love alone .. also as a man you would want to give the woman you love the wedding she wants |
| 23:15.25 | Macer | luke-jr: i disagree ;) |
| 23:15.39 | luke-jr | if it's about a wedding, someone has the wrong intentions |
| 23:15.46 | mtd | wow, someone please argue about /opt and LSB-compliance again. |
| 23:16.17 | luke-jr | /opt is lame |
| 23:16.17 | luke-jr | kthx |
| 23:16.21 | Macer | mtd: haha. sorry ;) just thought it was odd that they showed the large wedding with "rent a tux" |
| 23:16.38 | Macer | luke-jr: you're right. /opt is lame |
| 23:16.46 | Macer | who came up with it? |
| 23:16.53 | Macer | i bet it was redhat |
| 23:16.59 | luke-jr | probably |
| 23:17.05 | luke-jr | heck, FHS is lame too |
| 23:17.14 | Oprah | thought opt was before redhat |
| 23:17.15 | mtd | Macer: err, /opt's been around a lot longer than RH |
| 23:17.15 | luke-jr | Apple had the right idea with /Applications and crap |
| 23:17.18 | luke-jr | but they overcomplicated it |
| 23:17.29 | mtd | Macer: yes, I find that odd too. |
| 23:17.37 | Macer | mtd: has it? |
| 23:17.50 | Macer | bsd maybe? for "optional" stuff? |
| 23:17.50 | mtd | Macer: sure. solaris had it ages ago. |
| 23:17.51 | krig | "/Applications and crap" <- I like that |
| 23:18.07 | luke-jr | and each package should have its own isolated directory |
| 23:18.08 | mtd | luke-jr: s/Applications/opt/ |
| 23:18.22 | mtd | luke-jr: it's the same thing |
| 23:18.23 | luke-jr | mtd: except 'opt' is lame |
| 23:18.33 | Macer | wasn't someone working on that? |
| 23:18.35 | luke-jr | and doesn't work in practice |
| 23:18.36 | mtd | luke-jr: Applications sucks worse. too much typing. |
| 23:18.39 | Macer | the pkgs with the dirs i mean |
| 23:18.48 | luke-jr | mtd: you don't have a tab key? |
| 23:18.52 | xorAxAx | real men do not use directories |
| 23:18.53 | luke-jr | oh, right, this is #Maemo |
| 23:18.56 | luke-jr | Nokia stole it |
| 23:19.00 | type_t | c:\"Documents and Settings"\user\"Application Data" |
| 23:19.01 | krig | there's http://www.gobolinux.org/ |
| 23:19.03 | Macer | xorAxAx: haha. well. i was going to say that it reminded me of windows |
| 23:19.07 | krig | no idea if it works |
| 23:19.10 | Macer | where everything is in its own place |
| 23:19.10 | luke-jr | Macer: I implemented something like that a long time ago IIRC |
| 23:19.25 | luke-jr | Macer: Windows does *some* things right |
| 23:19.28 | Macer | but then again i think windows uses far less shared stuff which is where the problem lies |
| 23:19.38 | mtd | type_t: indeed |
| 23:19.42 | SpeedEvil | papo: the voltage in that graph is clearly not real. |
| 23:19.48 | krig | ehm. DLL hell anyone? and manifests.. shit. Microsofts system is utterly broken. |
| 23:20.07 | luke-jr | krig: I said some, not 'all' or even 'most' |
| 23:20.13 | SpeedEvil | papo: I keep meaning to actually work out where that is from. I suspsect twl4030 |
| 23:20.18 | luke-jr | and libraries are packages too |
| 23:20.22 | luke-jr | they each need their own isolated dir |
| 23:20.29 | Macer | luke-jr: that's insane :) |
| 23:20.34 | luke-jr | Macer: NO U |
| 23:20.36 | Macer | haha |
| 23:20.38 | krig | luke-jr: I'd agree, but the only thing I can think of that's in the 'right'-list is keyboards |
| 23:20.45 | krig | they make pretty good keyboards |
| 23:20.57 | Macer | krig: i still have an old clicky ibm keyboard |
| 23:21.09 | SpeedEvil | krig: mice |
| 23:21.10 | Macer | the one with the mechanical keys |
| 23:21.16 | SpeedEvil | at least some of them |
| 23:21.25 | SpeedEvil | krig: I also have a microsoft pen, that I liked. |
| 23:21.30 | krig | Macer: been looking at a Das Keyboard, supposed to be as good as the old ibm ones.. but the money has kept me away :P |
| 23:21.43 | Macer | krig: that thing is a beast |
| 23:22.01 | Macer | i could probably knock someone over the head with it and kill them then plug it right back in and start typing without even noticing any change |
| 23:22.11 | krig | haha |
| 23:22.16 | Macer | i think it was pre made in china :( |
| 23:22.25 | Macer | wow china made stuff horrible |
| 23:22.32 | xorAxAx | Macer: but that wasnt the reason for divorce? :) |
| 23:22.35 | SpeedEvil | I want http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IBM-ENHANCED-KEYBOARD-WITH-TRACKPOINT-II-92G7461_W0QQitemZ290292972127QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item4396cf3a5f |
| 23:22.37 | redeeman | krig: das keyboard version 2 is atleast awesome |
| 23:22.37 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 23:22.41 | redeeman | krig: well worth the money |
| 23:22.46 | Macer | xorAxAx: no. i hit her over the head with it but she survived |
| 23:22.50 | krig | yeah, there are spousal issues with a clickety keyboard as well :P |
| 23:22.53 | Macer | :) |
| 23:23.13 | xorAxAx | i have one of the most silent keyboards |
| 23:23.21 | xorAxAx | meeh, tpb doesnt work |
| 23:23.22 | Macer | MS does make an awesome keyboard tho |
| 23:23.26 | Oprah | ... an iPhone... |
| 23:23.31 | xorAxAx | i want to leach some rachmanninoff |
| 23:23.35 | Macer | their newer ergo type keyboards are pretty nice to type on |
| 23:23.45 | xorAxAx | -n |
| 23:23.52 | Macer | i thought their mouse was a little out thre though. the sidewinder with the weights and shit |
| 23:24.01 | SpeedEvil | I was really surprised at how good the n900 kwyb is. |
| 23:24.16 | Macer | isn't it like the n810s? |
| 23:24.27 | xorAxAx | i hated the n810 keyboard |
| 23:24.31 | SpeedEvil | never used n810 |
| 23:24.32 | Macer | me too |
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| 23:24.49 | SpeedEvil | I know that - with maybe 5 hours practice on the n900 - I'm up to maybe 95% accuracy |
| 23:24.59 | Oprah | yay US telecom "customer service" |
| 23:25.00 | SpeedEvil | with my eyes closed. |
| 23:25.03 | Macer | i think the G1 actually has an awesome keyboard |
| 23:25.06 | luke-jr | C760 = best handheld keyboard so far |
| 23:25.09 | Oprah | that's 90 minutes of my life i'll never get back :/ |
| 23:25.34 | Oprah | C860 with less travel would be better |
| 23:25.35 | luke-jr | Oprah: you're supposed to do productive things concurrently |
| 23:25.39 | Macer | luke-jr: i was going to tm snap on qwerty for phones that didn't ahve them |
| 23:25.40 | Macer | heh |
| 23:25.47 | Oprah | i couldn't |
| 23:25.49 | Macer | like a snap on qwerty for the nexus |
| 23:25.52 | luke-jr | Macer: you can't trademark ideas, fail |
| 23:25.58 | Oprah | it wasn't hold, it was arguing |
| 23:26.02 | Macer | well.. patent |
| 23:26.03 | Macer | :) |
| 23:26.06 | Macer | ? |
| 23:26.09 | Oprah | ha |
| 23:26.13 | Oprah | tell that to the USPO |
| 23:26.18 | luke-jr | Macer: still can't, prior art |
| 23:26.28 | SpeedEvil | you can patent stuff with prior art |
| 23:26.37 | Macer | prior art? |
| 23:26.43 | Macer | someone drew a snap on keyboard or something? |
| 23:26.45 | SpeedEvil | you just have to describe it in ways the patent examiner won't realise it. |
| 23:26.45 | Macer | :) |
| 23:26.49 | luke-jr | Macer: translation "I thought of it first" |
| 23:26.57 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:26.59 | Macer | wtf? |
| 23:27.03 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: it wouldn't hold up |
| 23:27.17 | Macer | does someone sell this already? |
| 23:27.29 | luke-jr | you don't have to use patents |
| 23:27.38 | luke-jr | or ideas |
| 23:27.45 | Flandry | mmm prior art |
| 23:27.47 | Flandry | http://www.sondheimguide.com/graphics/prior.jpg |
| 23:27.52 | luke-jr | all someone has to do is prove someone thought of it before you did |
| 23:28.04 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no. |
| 23:28.14 | luke-jr | in theory |
| 23:28.23 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: they have to prove they thought of it first. AND THEN WIN IN A FUCKING EXPENSIVE COURT CASE. |
| 23:28.40 | Macer | haha |
| 23:29.01 | Flandry | prior not-so-art http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/interviews/greg_anderson_01.jpg |
| 23:29.09 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: well, true XD |
| 23:29.13 | Macer | Flandry: after seeing that first one i refuse to see the second one |
| 23:29.14 | Macer | ;) |
| 23:29.21 | Macer | anyways. i'm going back to watching bones |
| 23:29.24 | SpeedEvil | Patents are only slightly less broken than copyright term extension. |
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| 23:29.44 | Macer | SpeedEvil: loved it when disney was able to lobby |
| 23:29.49 | Flandry | back to your booth then |
| 23:29.49 | Macer | when mickey mouse was about to expire |
| 23:30.12 | Macer | must be nice to have the law bent to your will like that :) |
| 23:30.34 | ShadowJK | they're about to abolish the practice of prior art anyway |
| 23:30.41 | SpeedEvil | Something like the original - maybe a bit more is sane. ~25-30 years or 15 years after death whichever is sooner. |
| 23:31.00 | ShadowJK | (the one who gets a patent approved first gets it, regardless of who invented it first) |
| 23:31.02 | luke-jr | still insane |
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| 23:31.16 | Flandry | that's even worse |
| 23:31.50 | luke-jr | it should only be for 5 years after release to public |
| 23:31.53 | SpeedEvil | hasn't US always been first to file? |
| 23:32.23 | Flandry | for some reason Caldera comes to mind |
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| 23:33.04 | philo | hi |
| 23:33.21 | philo | any one have some info on the "graphic chip" in the nexus ? |
| 23:33.35 | luke-jr | philo: there is a good chance it's the same one as in the XBox360 |
| 23:33.41 | philo | comparing it to the gpx ? |
| 23:33.59 | philo | that's quite good |
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| 23:35.37 | arachnist | luke-jr: no kidding |
| 23:35.50 | luke-jr | AMD Z430 GPU |
| 23:35.57 | luke-jr | actually an upgrade from XBox360's |
| 23:36.18 | philo | so i guess it is far better than the gpx on the n900 |
| 23:36.22 | arachnist | wonder what's the battery life of nexus |
| 23:36.24 | luke-jr | philo: not necessarily |
| 23:37.03 | philo | really ? |
| 23:37.10 | philo | do you where i can read a litle on it ? |
| 23:38.09 | luke-jr | dunno |
| 23:38.22 | luke-jr | Qualcomm bought the IP outright, so it'll probably remain fairly closed |
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| 23:39.16 | mtd | wtf is up with the org.maemo.playback dbus message spam (every 10s)? |
| 23:39.16 | luke-jr | some thread Google found says SGX is 14 MPoly/s vs Z430 at 22 MPoly/s |
| 23:39.43 | arachnist | mpolys and fill rates are not everything |
| 23:40.03 | luke-jr | arachnist: please feel free to do a useful comparison then :) |
| 23:40.26 | arachnist | luke-jr: lets run some real-world benchmark, like glxgears ;) |
| 23:40.47 | papo | SpeedEvil: Hm ok |
| 23:40.50 | luke-jr | haha |
| 23:41.05 | luke-jr | arachnist: sounds good, remind me when I have 3D accel working |
| 23:41.14 | papo | SpeedEvil: It's going to be real hard to work out some decent predictions if the data is just that borked :( |
| 23:41.17 | luke-jr | don't have Nexus/Snapdragon, but I do have that gfx chipset |
| 23:41.29 | arachnist | hehe |
| 23:42.36 | philo | there so much hardware now |
| 23:42.43 | philo | but none of them well documented |
| 23:43.00 | pupnik | i want a racer game for openstreetmaps |
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| 23:43.34 | pupnik | ponders |
| 23:45.08 | arachnist | i wonder how hard/easy would it be to get ar.parrot controllable from N900 |
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| 23:49.28 | ShadowJK | â'a fortnight ago' is not a legal date.â <- bugzilla sucks ;-) |
| 23:49.58 | Macer | haha |
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| 23:50.41 | andre__ | ShadowJK, file an enhancement request upstream ;-) |
| 23:57.07 | jhp | Are deb packages for the N810 and the N900 compatible? |
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| 23:57.19 | jhp | I have found a mutt package for the N810. |
| 23:57.47 | ml-N900 | they -might- work, but there is no guarantee |
| 23:58.06 | ml-N900 | I would recommend against it |
| 23:59.00 | N900evil | atmosphere bought current don't extras-devel finding getting have interrupt jailbreaking kirkcaldy lesson measurement non-free other picturesque qauality ridiculous some ther usb vcam which xchat yoiu zda |
| 23:59.03 | N900evil | oops |
| 23:59.18 | pupnik | wow |
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| 23:59.39 | krig | that's... almost a sentence there |
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