| 00:00.09 | Jaffa | svanheulen: And if there's a sufficiently long enough period without connectivity, it'll do it again at the next scheduled time |
| 00:01.27 | svanheulen | Jaffa: that makes sense, thanks |
| 00:01.52 | svanheulen | just turned 18:00 and yup, it updated |
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| 00:10.31 | Kamui | dmj726_n900, yea, I took blenderpocket source to rip the opengl->gleswrapper from it |
| 00:10.40 | Kamui | but theres a lot of winmo specific code attached, that I have to clean up |
| 00:10.52 | dmj726_n900 | I see |
| 00:12.08 | Kamui | I emailed the author a couple of times and he explained that the speed achieved in the software rendering was throught the wrapper, the floating point math in the ogl library is a huge huge bottleneck for the ARM arch |
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| 00:13.12 | ml-N900 | wow |
| 00:13.20 | dmj726_n900 | So you'll be approximating the float math with int math? |
| 00:13.30 | Kamui | fixed |
| 00:13.36 | Kamui | If I recall our conversation properly |
| 00:13.40 | ml-N900 | music is great for telling when the hardware is sitting bricks |
| 00:14.01 | Kamui | his wrapper precision to 3 dec |
| 00:14.37 | dmj726_n900 | Should be good enough in most cases |
| 00:15.12 | Kamui | I think so, it works very very well with blenderpocket |
| 00:15.59 | dmj726_n900 | You have a wince device? |
| 00:17.14 | dmj726_n900 | N900 is much faster than most wince devices |
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| 00:17.28 | pupnik | great /lastlog http again |
| 00:17.49 | Kamui | dmj726_n900, yea, I still have my Htc Exec |
| 00:18.05 | Kamui | I might still have an ipaq 2215 lying around too |
| 00:18.11 | Kamui | but I sold all the others I've had since |
| 00:18.22 | ml-N900 | blender pocket ran ok on my Axim X3 |
| 00:18.36 | ml-N900 | useless, but it worked |
| 00:18.40 | Kamui | I keep the exec because I originally paid almost 900 for it, and its not worth a fraction of that today, plus spec wise its still completely relevant :) |
| 00:18.47 | dmj726_n900 | Last time i tried wince, it was torturing me with scrollbars |
| 00:19.04 | Kamui | 624mhz xscale with 3.5" vga display convertible form factor |
| 00:19.12 | Kamui | I loved that thing when I carried it |
| 00:19.48 | Kamui | sounds like most non hildonized gtk apps ;) |
| 00:19.58 | Kamui | forcing me to pull out the stylus |
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| 00:20.34 | dmj726_n900 | It wasn't a touchscreen |
| 00:20.42 | svanheulen | I loved my HTC Touch Pro. Then I got this N900 and relized win mobile blows so hard. |
| 00:20.58 | pupnik | ice to hear |
| 00:21.00 | pupnik | n |
| 00:21.03 | dmj726_n900 | I had to use the scrollbar on a ball thingy. |
| 00:22.18 | Jef91 | svanheulen: haha fact. Win-mobile is one of the only things worse than normal windows |
| 00:22.46 | svanheulen | the thing that makes no sense to me at all is that they've had 4 version of win mobile (2003, 5, 6, 6.5) and they still don't have a built in screen lock while your in call |
| 00:23.27 | svanheulen | i loved accidently texting people while i was on the phone |
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| 00:24.40 | svanheulen | most of the htc ones have a program pre-installed that locks it now but i still don't see why that's not part of the os |
| 00:25.46 | dmj726_n900 | Winmo has done nothing for 2 years, according to steve ballmer |
| 00:25.50 | Kamui | most winmo phones didn't have a proxy sensor |
| 00:26.17 | Kamui | however, it was built into wm5 for the screen to turn off during the call |
| 00:26.19 | SpeedEvil | that doesn't stop a lock when you're actually using it as a pohone |
| 00:26.34 | Kamui | yea, while the screen is off the touchscreen is not responsive |
| 00:26.39 | Kamui | unless you press a physical button |
| 00:26.55 | Kamui | at least that was the case on the exec's wm5 rom, and the tilts roms |
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| 00:28.51 | svanheulen | yeah my touch pro would turn the screen off in call *sometimes* |
| 00:29.07 | svanheulen | not sure what made it happen or not |
| 00:29.46 | svanheulen | my dad had one from alltel though that didn't do it ever |
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| 00:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | tigert, when's somebody going to make a laser penguins pano? |
| 00:43.39 | pupnik | 23664/usr/lib/python2.5 |
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| 00:50.58 | pupnik | ahh that is loopback |
| 00:53.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4KcsizRLIA (quality fail, still processing) |
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| 00:54.10 | TomaszD | people seem to have this "mbp" tag next to their nicknamesoh it's so everybody else knows which computers they are using? |
| 00:54.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's so I know which me is which |
| 00:54.42 | TomaszD | ...you can't tell? |
| 00:54.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But hey, I like you to know that I use a Mac... and _hasABigPenis just doesn't fit |
| 00:54.57 | TomaszD | oh, right. |
| 00:55.00 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Nope, and I don't use BNC |
| 00:55.00 | TomaszD | :) |
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| 00:55.22 | TomaszD | good show |
| 00:55.35 | SpeedEvil | I decommissioned my last BNC network segment a couple of years back at home. |
| 00:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:56.13 | SpeedEvil | mainly due to it being a bastard to replace. |
| 00:56.26 | SpeedEvil | I have a 1m thick internal wall. |
| 00:56.30 | SpeedEvil | wifi doesn't work well |
| 00:56.43 | corecode_ | 1m? |
| 00:56.52 | corecode_ | respect |
| 00:56.58 | corecode_ | had too many bricks? |
| 00:57.19 | SpeedEvil | No - it's a ~1700s linen weavers cottage |
| 00:57.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Too much concrete I'd wager, in his underground, bomb-proof bunker |
| 00:57.42 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: and I thought victorian/edwardian era houses were bad enough |
| 00:57.46 | SpeedEvil | the wall was a double fireplace. |
| 00:57.56 | SpeedEvil | It's 60cm of stone - 5cm of air - and plasterboard. |
| 00:58.01 | SpeedEvil | It's fucking cold. |
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| 00:58.08 | SpeedEvil | Hence I'm trying to insulate it - slowly. |
| 00:59.11 | Gadgetoid_mbp | In my experience, those kind of walls do pretty well without insulation |
| 00:59.23 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But I'm guessing the chimney is still there in some way? |
| 00:59.36 | SpeedEvil | umm - yes - if you heat it lots. |
| 00:59.57 | SpeedEvil | But the insulation equivalence is - IIRC - 4mm of polystyrene insulation. |
| 01:00.10 | SpeedEvil | Yes it has lots of thermal mass. |
| 01:00.18 | VDVsx | wonders what should be the name tag for a Sony vaio :p |
| 01:00.24 | SpeedEvil | but that doesn't help at all if you've got 4 weeks at -6C. |
| 01:01.30 | SpeedEvil | Currently it takes ~15KW to maintain temp at 20C. (though I'm at the moment not heating due to financial issues) |
| 01:01.43 | SpeedEvil | Insulating floor and walls properly will take that to around 1. |
| 01:02.39 | frals | VDVsx: my friend had a vaio, it was always refered to as "sexylaptop" |
| 01:02.59 | VDVsx | lol |
| 01:03.04 | b-man17 | rofl |
| 01:03.08 | frals | otoh that was because the ad for it said "the first sexy laptop" or something silly :D |
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| 01:04.20 | VDVsx | has a broken vaio -> no battery, the wifi button only works sometimes (needs a lot of pressure), left mouse is also broken and the drive works only sometimes :D |
| 01:04.31 | frals | hehe |
| 01:04.53 | SpeedEvil | has a broken thinkpad that he needs to call IBM about in the morning |
| 01:04.56 | VDVsx | I've a new one that I won in a programming contest, but I prefer this broken one :p |
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| 01:05.58 | frals | ponders if its worth trying to aggregate his blog for a single post about fMMS on planet-maemo |
| 01:06.22 | svanheulen | anyone know if there's a way to sort the bookmarks on the n900 by name instead of last use? |
| 01:06.35 | VDVsx | frals, of course, as long you don't spam the planet later :p |
| 01:07.10 | Jef91 | lol, it always surprises me some when my N900 gets a phone call... |
| 01:07.26 | Jef91 | its like "oh yea, it does that too" |
| 01:07.51 | lcuk | VDVsx, when did you find time to win a programming contest |
| 01:07.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, perchance I should sleep now |
| 01:08.35 | VDVsx | lcuk, I always have time for that kind of things :p |
| 01:08.56 | VDVsx | lcuk, I missed the contest this year, because of BCN |
| 01:09.04 | lcuk | mmmm bacon |
| 01:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | and they totally fixed the raffle at BCN |
| 01:09.41 | lcuk | who won? |
| 01:09.43 | lcuk | was flying |
| 01:09.45 | GeneralAntilles | "When's the raffle?" |
| 01:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | "Oh, we already had it. We won." |
| 01:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, raffle was on Saturday. |
| 01:10.09 | lcuk | then, yeah i agree lol |
| 01:10.10 | VDVsx | steals lcuk's bacon and feeds lcuk's dog |
| 01:10.21 | lcuk | looks around for a dog |
| 01:10.28 | VDVsx | *cat |
| 01:10.31 | VDVsx | :P |
| 01:10.40 | lcuk | cats try to eat mah bacon |
| 01:10.54 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, was a ghost raffle |
| 01:11.06 | lcuk | jacob decided to leave the fridge open one night |
| 01:11.15 | lcuk | and they helped themselves to a whole pack |
| 01:11.28 | VDVsx | cats like bacon weird |
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| 01:11.34 | pupnik | lol Flandry i remember when the uqm devs implemented vcontrol, and i hated it |
| 01:11.42 | frals | cats eat anything |
| 01:11.50 | frals | except for kebab ive noticed.. |
| 01:11.59 | lcuk | its the source |
| 01:11.59 | SpeedEvil | My cat was fed exclusively dogfood chub from Lidl. |
| 01:12.02 | SpeedEvil | It was cheap. |
| 01:12.05 | lcuk | my cats turn nose up at mild source |
| 01:12.08 | lcuk | but if its hot they eat it |
| 01:12.12 | pupnik | note "was" |
| 01:12.13 | SpeedEvil | Till they died. |
| 01:12.18 | pupnik | ;) |
| 01:12.18 | VDVsx | remembers south park specials, where,south park writers feed a pig with bacon |
| 01:12.22 | SpeedEvil | then I no longer bought it. |
| 01:12.49 | VDVsx | SpeedEvil, Lidl |
| 01:12.51 | VDVsx | lol |
| 01:12.54 | lcuk | VDVsx, plenty of animals are cannibalistic |
| 01:13.59 | VDVsx | a few days ago Spanish police discovered 100kg of cocaine in a box of bananas at Lidl :P |
| 01:14.30 | lcuk | jesus |
| 01:14.40 | VDVsx | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/04/lidl-supermarket-cocaine-banana-delivery |
| 01:14.44 | VDVsx | :D |
| 01:14.47 | pupnik | That is a failure of some Lidl employee |
| 01:14.48 | lcuk | you can bet all the asbo owning people will now buy more bananas than ever before |
| 01:14.59 | ifreq | is it possible to run openvpn with only one interface |
| 01:15.00 | SpeedEvil | VDVsx: that's a pretty good special offer. |
| 01:15.05 | ifreq | and is it better todo with routing or bridge? |
| 01:15.06 | VDVsx | lolol |
| 01:15.11 | ifreq | err openvpnd |
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| 01:15.38 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, Bakin' Bacon with Macon? ;) |
| 01:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | Was on the DVDs |
| 01:15.54 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yes ;) |
| 01:16.00 | VDVsx | before each episode |
| 01:16.02 | lcuk | Mavis Beacon teaching bacon weaving |
| 01:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | Screw you, Mavis! |
| 01:16.43 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, lcuk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sBPm6ubjnU |
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| 01:21.45 | VDVsx | goes read TMO |
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| 01:22.33 | frals | tries to figure out how to add avatar to maemo.org account |
| 01:22.57 | lcuk | [shift] + [ctrl] + p == screenshot isnt it |
| 01:23.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ&feature=player_embedded love it |
| 01:23.10 | lcuk | frals, why do you want to add a movie to your account? |
| 01:23.14 | frals | lcuk: yeah |
| 01:23.22 | frals | lcuk: ;P |
| 01:24.49 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I pondered doing that joke. |
| 01:24.55 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I decided it was a bit weak. |
| 01:25.19 | lcuk | i didnt know it was a joke |
| 01:25.23 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, omg |
| 01:25.35 | lcuk | they can get a screenshot at least |
| 01:25.42 | lcuk | god forbid the guys ever pm each other |
| 01:25.51 | lcuk | or +s the chan or whatever ;) |
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| 01:27.38 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, but we have logs :p |
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| 01:28.54 | pupnik | Bugtracker lets me select any operating system but maemo |
| 01:29.18 | pupnik | I choose windows server 2003 |
| 01:29.45 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1207&atid=4540 |
| 01:30.12 | pupnik | version is shown as v1.0 v1.1 although project is ver 0.2.1 |
| 01:30.17 | pupnik | i choose 1.0 |
| 01:30.42 | pupnik | Hardware hmm. Well i always wish i had a SGI |
| 01:31.10 | pupnik | Component? Wow didn't know jamaendo had 'cogs' |
| 01:32.00 | pupnik | cool, 'software a' |
| 01:32.45 | SpeedEvil | I thinkI asked this before. |
| 01:33.04 | SpeedEvil | How do I get a simple alphebetical list of all projects with released software on garage |
| 01:33.39 | krig | pupnik: haven't figured out how to control that thing yet :D |
| 01:35.20 | pupnik | ahh |
| 01:35.42 | pupnik | package maintainer has to configure all that stuff? |
| 01:35.56 | krig | seems so.. |
| 01:37.23 | pupnik | maemo.org knows all that already |
| 01:37.39 | pupnik | based on where the package was uploaded |
| 01:37.45 | pupnik | no wonder searches fail constantly |
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| 01:38.07 | pupnik | obviously we are looking at something made to be very general and flexible |
| 01:38.55 | lcuk | pupnik, NO, IT DOESNT KNOW ANYTHING |
| 01:39.11 | lcuk | arg |
| 01:39.26 | pupnik | then it's stupid |
| 01:39.30 | lcuk | package maintainer must configure versions and components and stuff |
| 01:39.32 | lcuk | not really |
| 01:39.59 | krig | <- lazy |
| 01:40.13 | krig | will fix |
| 01:40.54 | pupnik | i'm looking at a process that wastes human lifetime |
| 01:41.06 | lcuk | shut irc then |
| 01:41.16 | dnaumov | I wonder if any further improvements are planned for drnoknes |
| 01:41.36 | SpeedEvil | software upgrades - throgugh the package manager - need changelogs |
| 01:42.05 | dnaumov | would be really great if you could bind keys to act like "right-up" or "down-left" |
| 01:42.18 | dnaumov | kinda hard to press 2 buttons at once on the n900 :) |
| 01:42.41 | pupnik | dnaumov, if you look at the keyboard and ignore the symbols, you will see two 8-way dpads |
| 01:43.02 | pupnik | solution is to allow user to map keys to diagonals in-game |
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| 01:45.18 | pupnik | no, in irc i submitted my bugreport to author with no time wasted |
| 01:45.38 | lcuk | it doesnt scale though |
| 01:45.51 | lcuk | if the author had 50 people submitting bug reports |
| 01:45.56 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 01:46.01 | pupnik | ahahahaha |
| 01:46.02 | lcuk | they would quickly get muddled up and lost |
| 01:47.21 | pupnik | "file a bug report" is maemo-talk for "get lost" |
| 01:47.28 | pupnik | literally |
| 01:48.50 | lcuk | a filed bug report has a #, a # can be used to indicate tangible work. "chatting on irc" is more difficult to calculate |
| 01:49.33 | lcuk | and besides pupnik it very likely does mean get lost, the author might be working on something someone else asked first :p |
| 01:50.21 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, GForge is the suck. |
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| 01:53.09 | pupnik | all needed context for a bug report is known to maemo.org when a package is uploaded |
| 01:53.15 | pupnik | anything else is autistic timewaste |
| 01:53.55 | lcuk | no way, i can have 2 different packages onroute |
| 01:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, my personal goal is to shut down the Garage tracker anyway. |
| 01:54.16 | lcuk | i do agree about versions |
| 01:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's useless and ungainly. |
| 01:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | No point at all in putting any effort towards it. |
| 01:54.39 | pupnik | it could be good for a project with 3+ contributors |
| 01:54.58 | pupnik | but there are few, if ANY, such projects |
| 01:55.14 | pupnik | so yes |
| 01:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla. |
| 01:56.54 | krig | i am probably going to move dev and bugtracker to github instead. had issues with the repo at garage too |
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| 01:57.39 | jebba | krig: lots of maemo projects on gitorious.org |
| 01:58.02 | krig | ah |
| 01:58.52 | krig | i already have 17 projects on github so that'd be why |
| 01:58.56 | krig | hehe |
| 02:02.29 | Tonzas | Does anyone know that whether it is possible at n900 to transfer pictures to own site by using ftp? Maybe I could do it by using command line but isn't there any program that could do it? :o |
| 02:03.49 | pupnik | Tonzas http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/56618 |
| 02:04.04 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/proposal-sharing_plugin_to_call_command-line_apps-e-g-photo_sharing_via_scp/ |
| 02:06.45 | Caesium | is there some logic behind the ordering of the news items on maemo.org? :) |
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| 02:11.19 | Tonzas | pupnik: ah ok, ty |
| 02:11.49 | microlith | mm |
| 02:11.59 | microlith | the gcc packages for the N900 aren't optified |
| 02:12.39 | microlith | or am I reading the output of -c wrong |
| 02:13.21 | SpeedEvil | gcc packages? |
| 02:13.44 | pupnik | sdk stuff isn't optified yes |
| 02:14.06 | microlith | SpeedEvil: yeah, packages for gcc, gdb, etc. built for ARM |
| 02:14.39 | SpeedEvil | SDK repo doesn't work for me. |
| 02:14.48 | SpeedEvil | I should really work out why that is. |
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| 02:19.54 | Kamui | Maemo.org server move |
| 02:19.54 | Kamui | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.54 | Kamui | Ok, |
| 02:19.54 | Kamui | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.55 | Kamui | nice |
| 02:20.06 | Kamui | damn, my bad, that was supposed to be 1 line |
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| 02:23.39 | vpol | is there ability to auto-align desktop icons? |
| 02:24.27 | SpeedEvil | that would be nice |
| 02:24.32 | Jef91 | its like "oh yea, it does that too" |
| 02:24.51 | Jef91 | the fact that they dont auto line up kills my mild ocd |
| 02:27.08 | Tonzas | http://www.n900wallpapers.com/wallpaper/grid-pattern set this to your background and use it to align icons :D |
| 02:27.25 | vpol | omfg |
| 02:28.27 | SpeedEvil | that reminds me of something |
| 02:29.00 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3826161093/in/set-72157619014257011/ |
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| 02:34.47 | vpol | what twitter client do you use? |
| 02:35.54 | KenYoung | SpeedEvil and woglinde: It turns out what was preventing my icon from working was not a problem with the icon itself, but rather the existence of an icon cache. Clearing the cache fixed the problem. |
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| 02:37.36 | inz | I needs faster intternets, sbox+SDK take too long to dl |
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| 02:49.35 | Proteous | who doesn't need faster internets |
| 02:50.01 | auenf | my phone has faster internet than my computer, does that count? |
| 02:50.49 | Proteous | that's sad |
| 02:51.53 | Proteous | Just thought I'd let all of you know, nokia will be putting out a new much cooler phone/tablet in 3 weeks because I am purchasing a n900 today |
| 02:52.25 | auenf | i've gotta work out if the n900 will pair to my car before i order one |
| 02:52.48 | pupnik | inz, going the scratchbox route now? what are your current projects/areas-of-interest? |
| 02:55.42 | inz | pupnik, I want sgt-puzzles on my N900 =) |
| 02:56.21 | pupnik | simon tantham's puzzle collection was in -devel afaik, but none tested here |
| 02:56.42 | pupnik | nice way to icon-bomb your launcher |
| 02:57.02 | inz | oh, it is; damn |
| 02:57.19 | inz | well, am doing a launcher anyway |
| 02:57.30 | clmntch | hello |
| 02:57.34 | inz | the launcher part is already done; now just need to port it to maemo. |
| 02:58.40 | inz | Updated http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ with fremantle stuffs. |
| 02:58.43 | inz | Seem to work. |
| 02:59.02 | inz | mgdemin said pretty please, it only took me 3 months =) |
| 02:59.02 | pupnik | nice, i was just pondering going that route on new box |
| 02:59.09 | pupnik | hah |
| 02:59.29 | pupnik | how about removing those puzzles that suck on tablets without more work |
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| 02:59.42 | pupnik | that would be a service |
| 02:59.53 | inz | I could concider that. |
| 03:00.16 | inz | But I'll start by getting it to woik |
| 03:00.19 | pupnik | mhm |
| 03:00.23 | pupnik | ++ |
| 03:00.43 | inz | The latest version has some new games even |
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| 03:17.20 | pupnik | inz mention ia32-only on blog http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/apophis/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 03:18.41 | inz | pupnik, rather should mention http://www.ipi.fi/~pablo/ |
| 03:20.08 | pupnik | sweeet |
| 03:20.28 | microlith | activates pgup/pgdn/home/end on his arrow keys, and del on his backspace key |
| 03:21.04 | pupnik | how? |
| 03:21.20 | pupnik | also keypad enter on return would be nice |
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| 03:25.56 | microlith | editing the keymap |
| 03:26.24 | microlith | in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 |
| 03:26.56 | microlith | also http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=443223&postcount=24 |
| 03:27.44 | pupnik | TY |
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| 04:14.52 | Jef91 | hey all |
| 04:15.08 | Jef91 | Does the n900 record video? |
| 04:15.55 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 04:16.19 | Proteous | only if you ask it nice though |
| 04:16.26 | Proteous | otherwise it just kicks you in the shins |
| 04:16.56 | Proteous | I don't know if you've ever been kicked in the shins by an internet tablet before... it hurts |
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| 04:17.20 | Lubomir | hello |
| 04:17.25 | Jef91 | lol, how do I toggle the camera between picture and video? |
| 04:17.43 | Lubomir | did someone install any other os then maemo on the n900? |
| 04:17.49 | LinuxCode | Lubomir, yes |
| 04:17.58 | LinuxCode | somebody even put Fedora Arm on their N900 |
| 04:18.08 | LinuxCode | lacks a lot of features mind |
| 04:18.09 | Lubomir | i cant find much informations |
| 04:18.25 | LinuxCode | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora |
| 04:18.29 | LinuxCode | check that |
| 04:18.48 | Lubomir | ah, thanks |
| 04:18.52 | LinuxCode | pleasure |
| 04:19.17 | Lubomir | it is booting up as a own kernel. i know from android that you can run a second os on the running one |
| 04:19.31 | Lubomir | can i use also maemo-5 git/svn? |
| 04:19.44 | Lubomir | like compiling it from source and putting it on |
| 04:22.14 | Lubomir | and is it possible to get usb-host working? |
| 04:22.40 | Lubomir | to get possible to use an usb-stick on the road with smal self build 5v power |
| 04:23.37 | Lubomir | is it possible to get the wireless card into monitor mode (iwconfig <iface> mode monitor)? |
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| 04:27.14 | Lubomir | ah, and is it possible to get ad-hoc + dhcp running (or maybe also full ap-mode?) to get the n900 as wlan-router? |
| 04:28.14 | Jef91 | Lubomir there is a thread on the boards trying to get the n900 working as a wireless router |
| 04:35.11 | inz | http://inz.fi/sgt-puzzles_8821-0inz1_armel.deb \o/ finally |
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| 04:42.12 | inz | Guess I should sleep a bit; 'tis almost 7am |
| 04:42.43 | inz | I had forgotten how fun it is to code for Maemo; better forget quickly again, I have not the time. |
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| 04:54.24 | Jef91 | Whats exciting in Maemo land this evening? |
| 05:00.41 | pupnik | inz's blog on how to build for maemo without a sbox chroot? or the sgt puzzles |
| 05:00.48 | pupnik | http://psiopradio.com/wp-content/uploads/bomb-pants2.jpg also exciting |
| 05:20.15 | AakashPatel | anyone wanna buy a used n900? :P |
| 05:20.18 | AakashPatel | mint condition |
| 05:21.04 | Jef91 | AakashPatel: Asking price, and why selling? |
| 05:21.22 | AakashPatel | 470-480 |
| 05:21.24 | AakashPatel | and i dont use it |
| 05:21.34 | AakashPatel | so i dont really wanna keep it |
| 05:22.46 | pupnik | 06:22 [freenode] -!- channels : #android-dev @#android-offtopic #xceleo #android-root #mer #maemo #android |
| 05:22.58 | AakashPatel | pupnik: im everywehre :) |
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| 05:23.28 | pupnik | Unlocked, locked? |
| 05:23.38 | AakashPatel | PM |
| 05:23.44 | Jef91 | pupnik aren't the n900s only unlocked? |
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| 05:27.10 | svanheulen | Anyone else having problems with all their contacts getting deleted every so often when syncing mail for exchange? |
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| 05:31.41 | Jef91 | is there an app for the n900 that will pull down my gmail? |
| 05:32.01 | AakashPatel | Jef91: Juse use the email app with IMAP? |
| 05:32.12 | AakashPatel | Just* |
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| 05:38.48 | svanheulen | only problem with the email app and imap is that it wont delete things from the server if you delete them on the device |
| 05:39.49 | AakashPatel | it does for me lol |
| 05:39.54 | svanheulen | that's been fixed for the new firmware though when it comes out |
| 05:39.56 | Jef91 | anyone know if I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc" if I can pass an argument into the ./configure it runs? |
| 05:41.01 | rohanpm | Jef91: I think only if debian/rules is explicitly coded to allow it |
| 05:41.35 | Jef91 | hrm kk |
| 05:41.41 | Jef91 | I might just side step it and use checkinstall to make the .deb then |
| 05:42.03 | pupnik | can you log what works and what doesn't Jef91 ? |
| 05:42.28 | Jef91 | What do you mean pupnik? |
| 05:45.04 | Jef91 | This is really odd |
| 05:45.15 | Jef91 | after dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc errors out |
| 05:45.21 | Jef91 | if I run it a second time |
| 05:45.26 | Jef91 | it enters a loop |
| 05:45.32 | Jef91 | of checking configure |
| 05:45.38 | Jef91 | but it never makes it to compiling again |
| 05:46.29 | jza | I change my UID and I start getting a lot of permission and ownership issues |
| 05:46.44 | jza | on my home folder |
| 05:47.03 | Jef91 | Yea that will happen |
| 05:47.14 | jza | is there a way I can fix this, I got most of my permissions on my user and group, but the UID is looking for is different from the one I have now |
| 05:47.23 | Jef91 | run a "chown user -R /home/user" |
| 05:47.29 | Jef91 | run that as root |
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| 05:47.40 | jza | Jef91: I did that, but still doesnt work |
| 05:47.58 | Jef91 | As root? |
| 05:48.03 | Jef91 | That should do it... |
| 05:48.07 | Jef91 | and di you have the -R? |
| 05:48.09 | Jef91 | did* |
| 05:48.30 | jza | Jef91: yes, and it does show up as the user... but the error is that still looks to the previous UID from the user |
| 05:48.38 | jza | what I did is that I change the UID |
| 05:49.07 | jza | the files always belong to the user, but I change the UID of the user to 500 and problems started even if it always belonged to user |
| 05:50.27 | Jef91 | Why did you change it may I ask? |
| 05:50.59 | jza | because my external harddrive had 500 |
| 05:51.22 | jza | now I can write on my external harddrive but I cant on my home... I didnt imagine something like this will happened |
| 05:51.36 | jza | because it was the same user nevertheless |
| 05:54.04 | Jef91 | the name is meaning less |
| 05:54.10 | Jef91 | why not just chown the harddrive?... |
| 05:54.31 | Jef91 | Also may I inquire what kind of cable to use to hook an external HDD into your N900? |
| 05:54.32 | jza | Jef91: I am not sure that will help me right now |
| 05:54.53 | Jef91 | jza - just change ur UID back to what it was before? |
| 05:54.59 | jza | ok |
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| 05:55.11 | jza | cant I reset the UID of my home to 500? |
| 05:55.24 | jza | should I chown as 500 instead of user? |
| 05:55.53 | Jef91 | oh hrm, yes thats an idea |
| 05:56.03 | Jef91 | I've never used anything other than a user name before |
| 05:56.43 | pupnik | jef91 i'd appreciate if other people who are new to maemo/extras uploading can journal / blog their experience |
| 05:57.27 | jza | pupnik: I can blog about that, however I wonder if extras is the only repo, I found youtube videos showing a lot of software that I dont see avialable on my repo of extras. |
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| 05:57.48 | pupnik | jza, some people upload stuff to their homepage instead |
| 05:57.52 | Jef91 | pupnik Could do that, my tech blog has been a bit bare of late anyways |
| 05:58.01 | jza | pupnik: for exame QuakeArena |
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| 05:58.10 | pupnik | < inz> http://inz.fi/sgt-puzzles_8821-0inz1_armel.deb for simon tantham puzzle collection |
| 05:58.35 | Jef91 | pupnik - is that stable? |
| 05:58.36 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/penguin-command_1.7.1-maemo.deb |
| 05:58.43 | pupnik | just built a few hours ago |
| 05:59.22 | pupnik | i wouldn't install things like this if I needed the n900 for work |
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| 05:59.47 | pupnik | different use cases. gooood morning ali12341 :D |
| 06:00.05 | ali12341 | hi |
| 06:00.19 | Jef91 | crosses his fingers that Abiword actually compiles this time around |
| 06:00.29 | ali12341 | i'm beginning to think all the people who says pulse audio is rubbish are right |
| 06:01.10 | Jef91 | ali12341: I kinda like pulse. |
| 06:01.10 | pupnik | if you/we can make something better.... |
| 06:01.23 | pupnik | but i doubt it |
| 06:01.29 | Jef91 | I just wish Wine would add support for it |
| 06:01.32 | Jef91 | by default |
| 06:01.37 | pupnik | brb |
| 06:01.44 | microlith | facepalms at his N900 for rebooting |
| 06:02.30 | ali12341 | pulse is good but it's ALSA "emulation" is rubbish |
| 06:02.45 | ali12341 | that's why so many people say to go back to ALSA |
| 06:05.01 | Jef91 | skype runs on the n900 right? |
| 06:05.26 | jza | anyone with experience on upgrading the firmware |
| 06:05.36 | jza | I find a part that confuse me on step 4 and 5 |
| 06:05.40 | Jef91 | waves |
| 06:05.45 | Jef91 | What OS are you using on the PC? |
| 06:05.54 | jza | Mandriva Linux |
| 06:06.01 | jza | I use the .tar.gz |
| 06:06.05 | Jef91 | very good. |
| 06:06.14 | Jef91 | Fully power off the phone |
| 06:06.16 | jza | I put the flasher command and get the USB not found |
| 06:06.30 | Jef91 | fully power off the phone and then attach it via USB |
| 06:06.35 | Jef91 | run the flasher |
| 06:06.38 | jza | aham |
| 06:06.51 | Jef91 | then it will give you a "looking for device" un plug and replug the phone at that point |
| 06:07.00 | jza | ok |
| 06:07.08 | jza | well then the flasher exit |
| 06:07.12 | jza | on me |
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| 06:07.45 | jza | and when I run the command again, I cant reach the N900 anymore |
| 06:07.54 | jza | something like serialized USB |
| 06:07.55 | tru | still no news on the 1.1 update? |
| 06:08.33 | pupnik | i hear i still cant use n900 with operator requiring * and # characters in 1.1 |
| 06:08.53 | arachnist | you mean USSD? |
| 06:09.10 | Jef91 | huh not sure jza |
| 06:09.11 | pupnik | i just know i have to dial those symbols |
| 06:09.27 | Jef91 | I used the .deb installer and it just worked for me. Maybe its an issues with the tar.gz package? |
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| 06:11.20 | jza | Jef91: can you paste me the command line here I need to put? |
| 06:11.26 | jza | I just need to check something |
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| 06:13.10 | Jef91 | sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F RX*.bin -f -R |
| 06:15.16 | jza | this is what I get rror claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 06:15.24 | jza | funny enought without the 'u' it seems to work |
| 06:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | jza, sudo? |
| 06:15.42 | pupnik | device must be off when connecting |
| 06:15.50 | GeneralAntilles | VMWare not claiming USB interfaces? |
| 06:15.55 | pupnik | no? |
| 06:16.03 | jza | GeneralAntilles: is not about sudo is about USB interface |
| 06:16.08 | pupnik | it seems jza has the device mounted |
| 06:16.22 | GeneralAntilles | jza, did you turn the device off before you plugged in USB? |
| 06:16.29 | jza | no is not mounted the device is off |
| 06:16.33 | pupnik | ok |
| 06:17.18 | jza | yeah |
| 06:17.40 | Jef91 | Anyone with exp compiling from source I'm taking suggestions on this issue - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/trouble-compiling-gnumeric-from-source-780760/#post3818433 |
| 06:19.46 | pupnik | the compiler can not find where those things are defined |
| 06:20.14 | jza | ok here is how it is... when I have the device on off, the PC detects it when I have the device with the 'u' key holding the PC doesnt. |
| 06:20.42 | Jef91 | pupnik how do I point it in the right direction? |
| 06:20.43 | jza | when I run the flasher on the Off device I get the message "USB device found found at bus 002, device address 023. |
| 06:20.44 | jza | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 06:20.44 | jza | " |
| 06:20.53 | pupnik | i think the "hold u key" advice is wrong |
| 06:21.02 | pupnik | i flashed without doing that |
| 06:21.09 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: ? |
| 06:21.26 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, same as Home key on 770/N8x0 |
| 06:21.36 | jza | pupnik: when I tried to plug it back with the U key I get this: Unable to enumerate USB devices! |
| 06:22.18 | pupnik | shrug |
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| 06:23.06 | jza | ok there most be something wrong here |
| 06:23.27 | Jef91 | God I wish Maemo had libc6 2.7.1 |
| 06:23.28 | pupnik | tseems like weirdness with your pc but i dunno |
| 06:24.07 | jza | here is the steps again: 1. turn off device 2. plug device 3. execute flasher get the message "Suitable USB device not found. waiting" |
| 06:25.04 | jza | 4 unplugg N900 hold 'u' key. 5. plug back in... then get "USB device found found at bus 002, device address 023. |
| 06:25.04 | jza | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy " |
| 06:25.49 | pupnik | you run flasher as root? some other process must be interfering |
| 06:26.03 | pupnik | Jef91: seen this? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gnumeric/ |
| 06:27.02 | Jef91 | does that run on Maemo 5? |
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| 06:28.29 | Jef91 | pupnik ^ |
| 06:30.29 | pupnik | no |
| 06:30.35 | jza | when was this firmware released? |
| 06:31.12 | pupnik | but check the dependencies - not an easy set of things to build. contact |
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| 06:32.23 | pupnik | thomas schmidt maybe |
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| 06:42.44 | Jef91 | Ahh off to sleep. Hopefully I will have 8 quiet hours at my deskjob to tomorrow to work on building packages |
| 06:42.58 | Jef91 | Peace all. |
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| 07:06.32 | Chandru | hi |
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| 07:07.51 | rkc | Hi.. is there anybody who can clarify my doubts on licensing? |
| 07:08.14 | luke-jr | I can, but I'm unpopular for doing so. |
| 07:08.47 | luke-jr | if you mean licensing your own stuff tho, hire a lawyer :) |
| 07:09.43 | rkc | :) |
| 07:10.11 | luke-jr | so what needs clarifying exactly? |
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| 07:10.16 | rkc | just tell me.. can I develop a software for maemo platform using the available sdk's and tools here and sell it? |
| 07:10.18 | tybollt | IANAL |
| 07:11.47 | luke-jr | rkc: yes* |
| 07:12.17 | rkc | but what si the benefit for nokia for providing sdk's and tools? |
| 07:12.28 | pekuja | rkc: huh? |
| 07:12.32 | luke-jr | rkc: they think it improves their platform |
| 07:12.41 | pekuja | rkc: what's the benefit for Microsoft for providing SDK's and tools for Windows? |
| 07:12.42 | luke-jr | more apps = more customer demand |
| 07:12.52 | luke-jr | pekuja: Microsoft sells it |
| 07:12.53 | rkc | cool.. |
| 07:13.24 | luke-jr | rkc: note that the free software community strongly believes in a right to sell software |
| 07:13.24 | pekuja | luke-jr: yeah they also sell tools, but most of the SDK's can be used with 3rd party tools |
| 07:13.38 | luke-jr | pekuja: not WinCE AFAIK |
| 07:13.47 | pekuja | luke-jr: do they? I thought they believed in a right to sell services |
| 07:14.19 | luke-jr | pekuja: nobody is stopping services either :) |
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| 07:14.22 | pekuja | luke-jr: well ok then. anyways I was just making the point that Microsoft provides developers with some free SDK's so that they would make Microsoft's platform better |
| 07:14.31 | pekuja | luke-jr: well I mean, you can't really sell free software |
| 07:14.38 | luke-jr | pekuja: the LGPL and GPL specifically prevent any terms forbidding sale |
| 07:14.49 | pekuja | luke-jr: I thought FSF's stance was that you don't sell the software itself |
| 07:14.57 | luke-jr | pekuja: wrong |
| 07:15.01 | luke-jr | you can sell free software |
| 07:15.11 | luke-jr | FSF recommends selling it at the highest reasonable price |
| 07:15.21 | luke-jr | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html |
| 07:15.36 | luke-jr | "Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can." |
| 07:15.42 | pekuja | ah, right, yes |
| 07:15.54 | rkc | if u develop a software using some modules which has GPL license, can u still sell them?? |
| 07:16.08 | luke-jr | rkc: yes, but the whole software must be GPL licensed |
| 07:16.17 | pekuja | you can sell software, but I would really call it a service, and not actually selling the software |
| 07:16.18 | luke-jr | rkc: eg, you must include the code and give your purchasers the same rights |
| 07:16.26 | rkc | cool |
| 07:16.31 | pekuja | because your software will be available from other sources if it's free |
| 07:16.37 | luke-jr | rkc: and make them aware of their rights |
| 07:16.44 | luke-jr | pekuja: not necessarily |
| 07:16.55 | pekuja | well you can't really prevent it |
| 07:16.59 | rkc | so.. types of license just says what are the things or rights to be included.. selling is completely different from licenses.. is that right__ |
| 07:17.07 | pekuja | rkc: yeah, basically |
| 07:17.09 | luke-jr | rkc: right. |
| 07:17.24 | rkc | that means.. u can almost sell all your work with proper licensing terms.. |
| 07:17.29 | luke-jr | rkc: just be aware that the rights your customers inherit include the right to resell copies of their own |
| 07:17.29 | pekuja | rkc: but basically when you sell the software to someone, you need to give them the right to take that software and sell it themselves, or put it on a website somewhere |
| 07:17.35 | rkc | and ofcourse follwoing teh terms |
| 07:17.56 | luke-jr | or post it gratis, that too |
| 07:18.00 | luke-jr | rkc: right. |
| 07:18.06 | rkc | great guys.. |
| 07:18.18 | luke-jr | rkc: if you want to forbid verbatim copying, you can even include trademarked artwork |
| 07:18.24 | luke-jr | then a copy must provide its own replacement |
| 07:18.54 | rkc | that looks little highlevel.. rightnow i am clarified with some basic stuff.. |
| 07:18.57 | pekuja | that sort of thing can actually work |
| 07:18.59 | rkc | thanks to both of u |
| 07:19.17 | pekuja | like selling a computer game without any content |
| 07:19.17 | rkc | g2g of a work.. |
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| 07:19.19 | rkc | signing off |
| 07:19.21 | luke-jr | GPL also permits (or rather, doesn't forbid) putting in code to require a serial number or such. then someone would need to actually edit the code and recompile it :) |
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| 07:19.39 | luke-jr | rkc: k, ttyl |
| 07:19.41 | pekuja | I mean, umm... selling it with content, with the code being free, but the content being paid-for |
| 07:19.57 | luke-jr | pekuja: both would be paid for :p |
| 07:20.06 | luke-jr | but the content would be non-free |
| 07:20.07 | pekuja | well yeah, but you could get the code for free |
| 07:20.13 | pekuja | I mean, ok |
| 07:20.13 | luke-jr | that is different from trademarked logos |
| 07:20.14 | pekuja | yes |
| 07:20.28 | tank-man | quake1 is like that, the engine is free but the levels/textures aren't |
| 07:20.34 | pekuja | yeah |
| 07:20.44 | tank-man | duke3d also |
| 07:20.45 | pekuja | it wasn't like that when it was actually popular though |
| 07:20.49 | pekuja | but id's pretty nice about that |
| 07:20.51 | luke-jr | wait |
| 07:20.55 | luke-jr | who said quake1 isn't popular? |
| 07:21.00 | pekuja | once they're done with the engine, they give it away |
| 07:21.04 | pekuja | luke-jr: I think I just did. |
| 07:21.07 | luke-jr | boo |
| 07:21.09 | luke-jr | I play Quake1! |
| 07:21.12 | pekuja | :-) |
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| 07:21.27 | pekuja | luke-jr: I think "popular" necessitates more people than one :-P |
| 07:21.39 | pekuja | it's not as popular as some of the bigger games these days |
| 07:21.47 | pekuja | Quake is fun though |
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| 07:35.23 | [Tycho] | plays Quake1 too, so it's more people than one :) |
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| 07:42.18 | bigsquid | Hi, I plugged my device into PC Suite for the first time, and noticed there were no folders there (like the ones in MyDocs). Because this was the first time, I thought this was normal. I copied over 2 .avi divx files, and after a while, i browsed the memory program and noticed it was using up the "space for installable applications". I couldnt see the 27gb partition. So I copied the movie files succesfully. But then I could not f |
| 07:42.38 | Stskeeps | you got cut off |
| 07:42.44 | bigsquid | Now, my "space for installable applications" only shows 500mb |
| 07:42.44 | Stskeeps | split into sentences < 512 chars |
| 07:42.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:43.09 | bigsquid | the files just disappeared, i cant find them using "find" command |
| 07:43.22 | bigsquid | but its using up like 1.3gb of memory in /home |
| 07:43.55 | bigsquid | i reflashed my device twice using nokia software updater |
| 07:44.09 | bigsquid | still shows 500mb free for "installable applications" drive |
| 07:44.14 | rkc | hi guys.. i am using windows vista as host and maemo virtual image (ubuntu) as a guest |
| 07:44.25 | rkc | i want to share some folders from windows to guest os |
| 07:44.45 | rkc | but when i try this using vm->settings->share folders, the shared folders is disabled |
| 07:44.52 | rkc | can anyone help on this? |
| 07:45.20 | Corsac | rkc: I think you need to enable them in vmware general settings |
| 07:45.50 | bigsquid | my guess is that these NTFS .avi files were saved onto /home and now i cant see them in ext3 and erase them |
| 07:46.41 | [Tycho] | I don't think that this is possible :) |
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| 07:48.04 | RST38h | Full Body Scanners Violate Child Porn Laws |
| 07:48.06 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 07:49.36 | RST38h | One group of bureaucrats violated another group of bureaucrats. Fun! |
| 07:50.09 | Corsac | ahaha |
| 07:50.23 | tybollt | RST38h: it is rather amusing |
| 07:50.48 | tybollt | also this constant iterating of "we are at war w/ $GROUP_OF_PEOPLE" :) |
| 07:51.18 | [Tycho] | With children and passengers ? |
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| 07:51.45 | RST38h | Just "people" |
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| 07:52.29 | lucent | any ideas why my N900 loses the EDGE connection after a day of being up and then it won't reconnect? |
| 07:52.48 | lucent | after a power down, power up cycle it will connect without inccident |
| 07:52.56 | lucent | I've noticed this as a trend over a weeks' use |
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| 08:01.26 | bigsquid | would it mess my device to rm /home |
| 08:01.57 | Stskeeps | probably |
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| 08:02.38 | bigsquid | is there a way to run fsck |
| 08:03.17 | tybollt | yes ... you run ... fsck |
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| 08:04.21 | ShadowJK | oh wow, someone on a .fi forum saying nokia refused to fix his broken microusb port |
| 08:04.45 | tybollt | hmm yeah |
| 08:05.03 | pupnik_ | did he break it? |
| 08:05.08 | lucent | is microUSB durability a widespread issue? |
| 08:05.09 | onion | damn I got scared just.. a quite big blue static discharge when I plugged in the USB cable.. everything seems to be ok still |
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| 08:06.00 | lucent | I've heard that the developers who received pre-production N900 units experienced microUSB ports breaking loose of the solder joints |
| 08:06.10 | Wolfie | onion: it's probably just the dry air. All my electric devices spark when I plug them in |
| 08:06.10 | lucent | so the device wouldn't charge and no development could be done |
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| 08:06.24 | Wolfie | (well, not my N900 yet, but all wall-pluggable thingies) |
| 08:06.35 | tybollt | According to my experience it is really a lottery... if the guys at the service centre have a bad day (fight w/ the missus, sand up their vag - whatever) you may just get the finger even if it is really nokia's fault HOWEVER - catch them on a good day when missus porked them that morning etc - they'll happily go out of their way to fix even things that aren't their concern. |
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| 08:07.17 | pupnik_ | i suspect most of these sob stories are from people who broke theirs |
| 08:07.58 | lucent | pupnik_: my question is whether the pre-production units differ from the production units in respect to the microUSB port and durability issue |
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| 08:08.45 | lucent | cool to hear that opinion, tybollt |
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| 08:09.18 | pupnik_ | i stumbled over cable walking fast and sent the thing flying. (sorry!) and now the charging contact is somewhat fiddly |
| 08:09.40 | pupnik_ | really nasty forces on the connector |
| 08:09.45 | pupnik_ | and it still works |
| 08:09.48 | pupnik_ | mostly |
| 08:09.58 | lucent | ... |
| 08:10.38 | lucent | microUSB is designed for more insertions than miniUSB, increasing durability |
| 08:10.56 | tybollt | lucent: ie, in my experience these guys are "human" and so they will fail just as much as the average ;() |
| 08:10.59 | tybollt | ;) |
| 08:11.19 | tybollt | lucent: that is funny |
| 08:11.19 | lucent | this has ill to no effect if the microUSB is not attached with sufficient design considerations |
| 08:11.48 | tybollt | I find mini a lot less agravating to poke in there |
| 08:11.55 | tybollt | the micro... damn that is fiddly shit |
| 08:12.00 | pupnik_ | it would be nicest if the connector had a flat cable connecting to board |
| 08:12.04 | lucent | just saying it like it is |
| 08:12.17 | tybollt | also |
| 08:12.36 | tybollt | what's w/ the little teeth on the micro connector? |
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| 08:13.25 | tybollt | the nokia original micro cable has these two prongs or teeth on them effectively securing the cable to the device however the micro cable I got at the local HW Shop does not have those two prongs/teeth |
| 08:14.02 | lucent | random USB to microUSB cable I found cleaning up a movie theater where I work has the teeth |
| 08:14.15 | tybollt | hmm yeah |
| 08:14.25 | lucent | my guess is the cable you got at the shop is a cheap knockoff cable |
| 08:14.28 | tybollt | bugger then I got a cheap POS cable then |
| 08:14.35 | lucent | not intending to insult your purchasing decisions there btw |
| 08:14.35 | tybollt | lucent: no shit :D |
| 08:14.45 | tybollt | nono |
| 08:14.50 | tybollt | cheap knockoff it is |
| 08:14.53 | tybollt | and really |
| 08:15.01 | tybollt | it works olrite anyway |
| 08:15.27 | lucent | the microUSB end of things is near impossible to bend by stepping on with a boot |
| 08:16.01 | lucent | regular USB and miniUSB both got fucked beyond recognition in my own tests with a steel shank bot and much jumping up and down |
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| 08:16.22 | lucent | *boot |
| 08:16.37 | lucent | if only I had a steel shank robot, that would be blissful. |
| 08:16.48 | tybollt | and I have to say I really like the entire idea of usb charging seeing as I already had like five or so wallsocket-to-usb chargers and a metric fsckload of usb extender cables... so ... free chargers galore, no more rushing to the store to get extra chargers |
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| 08:17.50 | lucent | tybollt: in case you were not already aware though, the reason for microUSB is that miniUSB specification does NOT allow for the current needed to fast charge a Lithium Polymer (LiPo) battery pack |
| 08:18.07 | tybollt | aaah |
| 08:18.11 | tybollt | so that is it then? |
| 08:18.15 | lucent | that is it. |
| 08:18.18 | tybollt | lucent: thanks for explaining |
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| 08:18.44 | lucent | you can plug (with an adapter) to USB-A or miniUSB, but it will charge more slowly |
| 08:18.56 | pupnik_ | ahh |
| 08:19.16 | tybollt | I did raise an eyebrow over it seeing as (IIRC) a bunch of otehr nookias had the mini |
| 08:19.17 | ali1234 | pupnik_: i know why pulseaudio and emulators run so bad now |
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| 08:19.23 | pupnik_ | tell tell |
| 08:19.36 | pupnik_ | digital eq? |
| 08:19.39 | ali1234 | pulseaudio maintains an audio sink for each app |
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| 08:19.49 | ali1234 | including alsa apps |
| 08:19.58 | ali1234 | if you underrun the buffer on the alsa sink |
| 08:20.00 | pupnik_ | sounds ok so far? |
| 08:20.11 | lucent | listens up |
| 08:20.11 | ali1234 | pulse deletes its info about the sink |
| 08:20.20 | lucent | wtfcakes |
| 08:20.23 | tybollt | lucent: though I'd really like to test that |
| 08:20.24 | lucent | ali1234: for real? |
| 08:20.26 | ali1234 | when you recover the alsa stream (clear XRUN condition) pulse creates a NEW sink |
| 08:20.27 | pupnik_ | O_o |
| 08:20.42 | ali1234 | the massive amounts of context switching this involves destroys system performance |
| 08:20.45 | tybollt | lucent: I have these wallsocket -> USB A chargers |
| 08:20.52 | ali1234 | so if you are running an emulator that can't quite keep up with sound |
| 08:21.09 | tybollt | lucent: I then hook a two-three meter extender A male to A female on it |
| 08:21.13 | ali1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.34 | pupnik_ | ali1234: +++++ |
| 08:21.35 | lucent | ali1234: thanks for the reconnisance |
| 08:21.35 | ali1234 | so, to make emulators run good, make sure you NEVER underrun the buffer, even if it means writting zeros into it if you can't keep up |
| 08:21.45 | tybollt | lucent: and on that I hook a A male to micro |
| 08:22.21 | tybollt | that works really well for me though |
| 08:22.25 | lucent | tybollt: well there's some resistors and stuff involved to get the charger and (I think more importantly) the load a.k.a. N900 to draw applicable currents |
| 08:22.30 | ali1234 | and i discovered this because emulators on ubuntu on my new quad core phenom II system do exactly the same damn thing |
| 08:22.31 | tybollt | though I haven't measured that amp |
| 08:22.38 | ali1234 | (see my youtube channel for the video) |
| 08:22.49 | lucent | ali1234: very nice informations thank you |
| 08:23.06 | lucent | I'm not a developer for this platform but I really value your input |
| 08:23.07 | lucent | =) |
| 08:23.58 | lucent | ali1234: any thought as to a solution? |
| 08:24.13 | ali1234 | lucent: yeah, just make sure the buffer is always filled |
| 08:24.22 | lucent | that sounds like a hack though kind of |
| 08:24.31 | ali1234 | yeah |
| 08:24.33 | ali1234 | it is |
| 08:24.39 | ali1234 | you'll have to implement interpolated sound |
| 08:25.09 | ali1234 | or just write zeros which is effectively what happens if you let it underrun, anyway |
| 08:25.14 | pupnik_ | you dance good ali1234 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6NozEGUTu4 |
| 08:25.51 | lucent | ali1234: know of an upstream bug for this? |
| 08:26.09 | ali1234 | lucent: i don't think it is a bug |
| 08:26.15 | ali1234 | it's probably considered a feature |
| 08:26.36 | lucent | really all that context switching and stuff should be a performance bug |
| 08:26.57 | ali1234 | i dunno, i'm still investigating |
| 08:27.15 | ali1234 | i will report it upstream if it hasn't been, and see what they say |
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| 08:30.38 | lucent | heh. |
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| 08:31.27 | lucent | pupnik_: that's funny, I have my doubts it's the same |
| 08:32.40 | konttori_nokia | How do I propose a devel package to testing? (in extras) |
| 08:33.19 | lucent | konttori_nokia: I don't know, and I have not seen too many developers here awake who might know the answer |
| 08:34.34 | konttori_nokia | ok, found it: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
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| 08:34.53 | tybollt | do we have an MFE expert around? |
| 08:35.09 | NMZ | konttori_nokia: it's in the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
| 08:35.09 | tybollt | can you coerce MFE to not check other mail folders than inbox? |
| 08:35.26 | konttori_nokia | NMZ, thanks |
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| 08:36.11 | pupnik_ | maybe someone has written a foss whiz-bang mfe client |
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| 08:40.03 | tybollt | pupnik_: do tell |
| 08:42.04 | pupnik_ | my skills are more geared to eliminating the microsoft footprint in corporations |
| 08:42.56 | pupnik_ | *bootprint |
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| 08:43.40 | tybollt | 'sif one had a choice? :) |
| 08:43.40 | mst | anybody got a recommendation for a stowaway keyboard to use with the n900? |
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| 08:58.21 | Gadgetoid_mbp | mst: since the N900 works about as well with a keyboard as a toaster does with gasoline soaked rags... no |
| 08:58.43 | mst | Gadgetoid_mbp: I only care if xterm works |
| 08:59.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | mst: it's not even functional enough for that, imo |
| 08:59.32 | mst | er, link to read up on this? |
| 08:59.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Unless your terminal uses involves, and only involves, the letter a through z, in lowercase only |
| 08:59.49 | mst | I thought the bluez stack would handle this part |
| 09:00.03 | mst | with a little beating of the kernel with a shovel |
| 09:00.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Nobody has yet fixed it, to my knowledge, but it must be fixable |
| 09:01.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It treats an external keyboard like the built-in one, to catastrophic effect... also it doesn't get properly captured by games- boo! |
| 09:02.01 | mst | but the built in one can produce other keys |
| 09:02.02 | mst | oh gods |
| 09:02.09 | mst | you mean the modifiers are interpreted in software? |
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| 09:02.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | the built-in keyboard seems to be some sort of bizarre, alien, non standard device that resembles a keyboard only in physical appearance |
| 09:03.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The point is, without some smart-ass software fixes, Bluetooth keyboards suck |
| 09:03.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Unless you hate punctuation, capital letters, symbols, and life |
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| 09:03.58 | tybollt | how depressing |
| 09:04.27 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Someone will fix it, sooner or later |
| 09:04.50 | mst | ok |
| 09:04.59 | mst | bluez can handle keyboards, no? |
| 09:05.14 | mst | so it's something between the keyboard info turning up and everything else |
| 09:05.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You can pair a keyboard, and type the letters a through z |
| 09:05.22 | mst | i.e. there's something not mapping the key names |
| 09:05.25 | mst | or whatever |
| 09:05.53 | mst | does that sound like a reasonable guess at which bit the problem's in? |
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| 09:08.11 | Macer | hm |
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| 09:08.23 | Macer | so i can just make a refit bootable cd and boot that on the mb and install linux from it? that's interesting |
| 09:08.47 | Macer | let me see if that works. if i don't get rid of osx on the damn thing i am going to lose it |
| 09:09.06 | mst | Gadgetoid_mbp: sorry. trying to work out if this is something I stand a chance of dealing with |
| 09:09.06 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Lord knows, mst, someone out there will know more than me! |
| 09:09.18 | mst | shrugs |
| 09:09.31 | mst | a keyboard's about 50 quid. after spending 500 on the n900 I can live with it |
| 09:09.36 | mst | I'll find some way to make it work |
| 09:09.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Macer: what, WHAT!? |
| 09:09.44 | mst | bribe somebody at UKUUG to fix it with beer or something :) |
| 09:10.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | mst: and the Apple BT keyboard doesn't work, apparently, although i haven't tried mine yet |
| 09:10.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Macer: You want to replace OSX with linux on a MacBook? wowser... |
| 09:11.06 | Macer | Gadgetoid_mbp: going to install ubuntu .. well.. kubuntu on my mb |
| 09:11.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'd take OSX any day, and run linux in Parallels |
| 09:11.08 | Macer | i did it before |
| 09:11.20 | Macer | only reason i went back was because i needed adhoc network to work on the wifi |
| 09:11.24 | Macer | but i don't really need that anymore |
| 09:11.27 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But yeah, just burn a regular boot CD and shove it in |
| 09:11.47 | Macer | osx does stuff that just totally makes me hate it :) |
| 09:11.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Like? work? |
| 09:12.30 | Macer | haha.. well. needing a 3rd party app like insomniaX (which kernel panics it now that i've updated to latest leopard) to keep it on while closed it kind of crazy |
| 09:12.38 | Macer | hfs+ is the worst fs in existance |
| 09:12.53 | Macer | with its need to fork metadata on anything that is not hfs+ |
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| 09:12.57 | Macer | even network shares |
| 09:13.20 | Macer | the need for 3rd party apps to do the simplest of things in order to change the appearance of the ui |
| 09:13.44 | konttori_nokia | tekojo, is this expected? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/msid/0.3.9-2/ |
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| 09:14.12 | Macer | no cut/paste to use in 1 finder window so there is always a need to use 2 windows when doing anything related to movign files around even simple things which requires going through the process of getting there twice |
| 09:14.36 | Macer | finder has a bunch of crappy ways and no split windowing for it in order to have 2 destinations showing at once with the exception of usin ga 2nd window |
| 09:14.47 | Macer | the list goes on and on :) |
| 09:14.58 | Macer | i'd rather deal with kubuntu's shortcomings than apple's haha |
| 09:15.35 | tekojo | konttori_nokia not expected, looks like something is crashing somewhere |
| 09:15.35 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Finder would be the only point out of those that actually irks me |
| 09:15.37 | Macer | and bootcamp can't move osx files in order for me to install linux another way |
| 09:15.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But being able to drop to a terminal and just use cp helps |
| 09:15.53 | mst | Gadgetoid_mbp: http://nokiaexperts.com/nokia-n900-tips-bluetooth-keyboard-external-display/ |
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| 09:16.00 | konttori_nokia | tekojo, will you guys be able to handle it? Do I need to file a bug? |
| 09:16.12 | Macer | Gadgetoid_mbp: i suppose. but that requires a ton of typing sometimes. even with tabs it isn't efficient |
| 09:16.13 | mst | Gadgetoid_mbp: mentions specifically letters, space, "," and "." |
| 09:16.30 | mst | Gadgetoid_mbp: those are precisely the things you can reach on the built-in keyboard without a modifier key |
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| 09:16.38 | mst | that really really smells like "keymap" to me |
| 09:16.48 | tekojo | ping X-Fade, and konttori-nokia please no bug for this it's part og bug 5818 |
| 09:16.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm amazed they got shift out of it |
| 09:17.05 | X-Fade | tekojo: there is already a bug for that. |
| 09:17.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Will have to give mine another shot |
| 09:17.18 | mst | so ... hmm |
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| 09:17.22 | X-Fade | Will be fixed in new infra. |
| 09:17.26 | mst | this shit is X right? |
| 09:17.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But it drove me insane last time |
| 09:17.35 | mst | so I can use xev to watch the vent stream |
| 09:17.44 | mst | damn, this might be easier than I thought ;) |
| 09:19.45 | rkc | can I able to build the project outside /scratchbox directory?? |
| 09:20.25 | rkc | it looks like the scratchbox session doesnot recognize the folders outside /scratchbox.... means.. the are not visible |
| 09:20.28 | rkc | y? |
| 09:20.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | rkc: that's kind-of the point of a sandbox... |
| 09:21.26 | rkc | could you please elaborate on that.. |
| 09:21.36 | rkc | i am new to this dev environment |
| 09:22.07 | mst | it is a sandbox |
| 09:22.09 | mst | it is a container |
| 09:22.11 | mst | to keep stuff inside |
| 09:22.16 | Gadgetoid_mbp | A sandbox is a pretty generic term... |
| 09:22.17 | mst | so of course it cannot see outside |
| 09:22.23 | mst | they should not be visible |
| 09:22.26 | mst | this is correct |
| 09:22.28 | mst | this is what it is for |
| 09:22.35 | mst | rejoice, be happy, eat kittens for breakfast |
| 09:22.48 | Corsac | and ponies |
| 09:22.54 | mst | many objects are shiny |
| 09:23.02 | mst | let us take a moment to be reminded that some are also dense. |
| 09:23.46 | konttori_nokia | X-Fade, Apparently some issue in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/msid/0.3.9-2/ - related to bug 5818 |
| 09:24.33 | X-Fade | konttori_nokia: Yes, server move is next week. Should solve it. |
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| 09:25.33 | tybollt | hrrm |
| 09:25.47 | tybollt | are the included "shet/document to go" real versions or trials? |
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| 09:26.38 | mst | Gadgetoid_mbp: right. I'll be back once the keyboard arrives to treat you to a long stream of profanity as I figure out how to make it go. cheers for the thoughts. hasta |
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| 09:27.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hurrah, sounds like someone's on the case at least |
| 09:28.24 | celesteh | i have some questions about the builtin camera app that starts up when you open the lense cover. specifically, i'm wondering about what ti does with GPS data |
| 09:28.46 | celesteh | When i try to take a photo, it starts naging me for a data connection, which is exceptionally annoying |
| 09:29.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | celesteh: tags the photos with GPS co-ordinates |
| 09:29.21 | celesteh | if it can find a network connection only or always? |
| 09:29.33 | Laiska | celesteh: check if you have geotagging enabled in camera settings? |
| 09:29.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Always, I would think... doesn't need a network for GPS |
| 09:29.52 | celesteh | when i upload the photos to flickr (which is awesomely easy) they don't get map stuff automagically |
| 09:29.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Jesus, it's nailing it down with snow on top of the existing frozen snow |
| 09:30.48 | celesteh | this is kind of a dumb question, but where do i even find camera settings? |
| 09:31.04 | pupnik | one of the icons on the right of camera display |
| 09:31.25 | pupnik | the wrench / imbuss schluessel |
| 09:31.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Unfortunately "don't bug me with requests for GPS data" is not one of the options |
| 09:31.38 | Laiska | Start the camera, then from the topbar click the text "Camera" |
| 09:32.19 | celesteh | ah, i have to open the lense, ok. |
| 09:32.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Laiska: it starts full screen when you open the lens |
| 09:32.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | celesteh: tap the center of the screen to get out of full screen mode |
| 09:32.50 | Laiska | Gadgetoid_mbp: True, true |
| 09:33.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | "Geotagging" is a section in the top menu, as Laiska points out |
| 09:33.02 | celesteh | i clicked on the satelite dish icon and it asks me if i want to enable geotgging |
| 09:33.08 | tybollt | wrench oder schlüssel? also, ruhig! :) |
| 09:33.18 | pupnik | aah different settings |
| 09:33.21 | pupnik | sorry |
| 09:33.32 | celesteh | it says it needs an internet connection :( |
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| 09:33.49 | pupnik | indeed, :( :( |
| 09:33.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Don't you want to disable it? |
| 09:34.09 | pupnik | basically the gps needs assist = internet connection to work |
| 09:34.11 | tybollt | celesteh: the gps can work without an internet connection however in order for it to quick fix w/ the satellites it needs to download some data |
| 09:34.40 | celesteh | so it can't just log the lat/lon and stick that in the photo's metadata? |
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| 09:34.50 | tybollt | pupnik: I should think it will work w/out. However will take lots long to get a fix? |
| 09:35.18 | Macer | heh. ok. some parts of ncis la are funny |
| 09:35.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Right, time to brave the insane snow and get food |
| 09:35.25 | Macer | like when LL Cool J starts quoting spock |
| 09:35.32 | Macer | Gadgetoid_mbp: yeah. it's bad here too |
| 09:35.37 | Macer | we got almost a foot in chicago |
| 09:35.40 | tybollt | Macer: really? I watched half of the first episode and couldn't stand it |
| 09:35.52 | tybollt | Macer: I've never seen such bland characters. |
| 09:35.55 | Macer | tybollt: it is OK. not nearly as good as the original ;) |
| 09:36.09 | celesteh | it is WAY faster than my old nokia gps dongle at getting a fix, when i'm online. but i'll settle for slow fixes in order to ration paying for data |
| 09:36.52 | tybollt | Macer: I think it is a farce. I will not have any of it |
| 09:37.08 | Macer | it's good ambient video ;) |
| 09:37.22 | Macer | where you can not pay attention to it for 20 minutes and still know what's going in haha |
| 09:37.32 | tybollt | :) |
| 09:38.09 | Macer | i'm still trying to get this refit/kubuntu crap going on my mb |
| 09:38.10 | Macer | :) |
| 09:38.11 | pupnik | celesteh: i find that when i need gps, i don't have 5-50 minutes to hold it in a clear field pointing south. |
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| 09:38.52 | Macer | i THINK i got refit on the hd :) so that's a + |
| 09:38.54 | pupnik | so agps is the only practical option. it would be nice if the map application did not download its map crap from 3g though! |
| 09:38.58 | Corsac | yeah but if you have no way to have data access it's still nice to not wait too long :) |
| 09:39.01 | Macer | just a matter of wiping osx and installing kubuntu now |
| 09:39.02 | Macer | heh |
| 09:39.14 | Corsac | pupnik: you can do a fix without ovi maps |
| 09:39.25 | Corsac | the location test gui can do it and not download anything else |
| 09:39.31 | Macer | pupnik: google maps does that in android |
| 09:39.37 | Corsac | or maemo mapper, and maybe the ovi maps widget won't download too much stuff |
| 09:39.45 | pupnik | ty for info |
| 09:39.48 | Macer | i was in the boonies in ohio with no internet access on my phone so i was driving blind for a while |
| 09:40.07 | pupnik | i think / hope my device has my area cached now |
| 09:40.10 | Macer | hoping that when i reached civilization and some sort of cell data access that i wasn't 100 miles off |
| 09:40.13 | Macer | :) |
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| 09:41.48 | celesteh | now i'm wondering if i should hold on to my dongle in case i get lost someplace with no connectivity |
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| 09:42.59 | Proteous | not sure holding your dongle is going to help if you get lost |
| 09:43.12 | Proteous | might make you feel better for a short while |
| 09:44.19 | Macer | well. looks like i am going to get this going on the mb :) |
| 09:44.20 | Macer | awesome |
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| 09:44.41 | Macer | too bad i have to leave like 4 hours earlier to get anywhere today |
| 09:46.31 | celesteh | when i was using my n800, i would pre-download maps of the area i expected to be in, which did greatly reduce the amount of time i've spent lost. |
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| 09:47.49 | pupnik | basically the only maps i need use .jpg or .png technology |
| 09:47.55 | pupnik | the rest is gravy |
| 09:47.58 | tybollt | wow, the wonders of reliable sms delivery |
| 09:48.06 | tybollt | mum sent me a text at new years eve |
| 09:48.13 | lcuk | pupnik, :) digital paper maps |
| 09:48.18 | tybollt | wondered later why I didn't reply |
| 09:48.28 | tybollt | now, this minute - I get the text. >:) |
| 09:48.30 | lcuk | celesteh, for ovi maps you can download maps for country |
| 09:48.44 | tybollt | 7-8 days give or take for a text delivery, anyone? |
| 09:49.55 | lcuk | tybollt, that sounds wrong, but if the phone is off its possible |
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| 09:50.15 | lcuk | and its even possible if the provider holds the message (new years is common) |
| 09:50.56 | lcuk | celesteh, with my n900 i take photos of maps in new places |
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| 09:51.25 | lcuk | get off train, oh look handy map of town - snap |
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| 10:10.29 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:11.11 | lcuk | mornin Jaffa |
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| 10:14.01 | lcuk | jaffa would a new plugin for hermes require explicit coding by yourself, or is it laid out in such a way that people can offer you patches with new providers |
| 10:14.26 | lcuk | (not talking full massive extensive plugin support, just to be able to say "new file, hermes_service_x.py" |
| 10:14.54 | Jaffa | lcuk: It's currently undergoing a refactor to enable that: no auto-detection but a more expandible system: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Hermes_plugins |
| 10:15.27 | frals | yawns |
| 10:15.31 | frals | morning everyone o/ |
| 10:15.37 | Stskeeps | morning frals |
| 10:15.55 | lcuk | jaffa cool stuff! |
| 10:16.10 | lcuk | hey frals Stskeeps |
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| 10:28.10 | bilboed-pi | Jaffa, REALLY NICE :) |
| 10:30.55 | adeus | is the maemo-devel mailing list working or is it just a reaally slow news day |
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| 10:31.32 | frals | adeus: i just got todays digest so i think its working :) |
| 10:31.34 | X-Fade | adeus: no, it was not available. Should be back ow. |
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| 10:31.41 | X-Fade | now |
| 10:32.11 | adeus | ok |
| 10:32.29 | lcuk | mornin X-Fade \o |
| 10:32.50 | X-Fade | adeus: Check your inbox again ;) |
| 10:33.12 | adeus | maemo (9) |
| 10:33.21 | adeus | maemo (11) |
| 10:34.05 | adeus | seems to work |
| 10:37.38 | _berto_ | the list is back |
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| 10:46.39 | RST38h | reMoo all |
| 10:47.51 | wazd | heya all |
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| 10:48.24 | RST38h | Nokia has announced (but not made available yet) Ovi Maps Racing, another homegrown title, integrating the real world streets around your position (or another destination of your choice) with a virtual racetrack - so, effectively, you can race around your own local roads. |
| 10:48.35 | ShadowJK | does bugs.maemo.org work for anyone else? |
| 10:48.57 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: bugzilla is moving |
| 10:48.59 | leon- | RST38h, omg! |
| 10:49.26 | lcuk | RST38h, i saw that, its a gta engine using the vectors from maps |
| 10:49.29 | ShadowJK | funny that, it was never slow(er than any other bugzilla out there) for me :) |
| 10:49.30 | lcuk | ub3r cool |
| 10:49.31 | Stskeeps | RST38h: if it acts like Ovi maps, we'll be seeing a lot of deaths on the racetrack |
| 10:49.37 | RST38h | lcuk: coooooooooool |
| 10:49.38 | tybollt | RST38h: in other news nokia is still have not released Ovi 3.0 |
| 10:49.43 | tybollt | (on the n900) |
| 10:49.47 | RST38h | lcuk: Maemo version? When? |
| 10:49.51 | tybollt | s/is// |
| 10:49.52 | lcuk | RST38h, i dunno |
| 10:49.58 | lcuk | i just saw the same advert you did |
| 10:50.04 | lcuk | i wanted gta on this device anyway lol |
| 10:50.12 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Hey, isn't driving over people the whole point of these games? |
| 10:50.16 | ShadowJK | tybollt, Ovi Maps for Maemo and Ovi Maps for Symbian are different things... comparing version numbers doesn't make sense :) |
| 10:51.27 | tybollt | ShadowJK: lack of voice turn-by-turn (there, I said it :P ) |
| 10:51.33 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 10:51.42 | ShadowJK | they just have to redo it.. |
| 10:54.50 | tybollt | RST38h: I can imagine no greater pleasure than driving over the next door missus or rather her 100lbs pitbull... (oh yeah, that's in a computer game ;) |
| 10:59.36 | Jaffa | bilboed-pi: lcuk: glad you approve :) |
| 11:00.00 | neal | what widget is used to popup a menu from the bottom of the screen? For instance, when choosing "share" in the photo application, a menu with three buttons pops up from the button? |
| 11:00.23 | Jaffa | neal: It's just a dialogue box |
| 11:00.36 | neal | oh, ok. |
| 11:00.37 | neal | thanks. |
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| 11:05.06 | ccooke | Good Morning. |
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| 11:10.57 | RST38h | ehehe, Eldar Murtazin vs "geeks" again |
| 11:11.09 | pupnik_ | where do i enter my APN in the 3g network settings |
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| 11:13.15 | tybollt | RST38h: where where :) |
| 11:13.46 | tybollt | was - up until about a month ago - not really aware of the various pro and con eldar campaigns out there :) |
| 11:13.56 | RST38h | tybollt: lj |
| 11:13.59 | tybollt | quite entertaining though ;) |
| 11:14.22 | RST38h | wasn't aware either. What campaigns? |
| 11:14.48 | tybollt | you can google it and you will find several forum threads all over the place |
| 11:15.22 | tybollt | people spreading "facts" about him such as him stealing supposed "review units" etc. :) |
| 11:15.59 | RST38h | And are these campaigns? |
| 11:16.31 | tybollt | I found one nic on two various forums (IIRC) -> campaing to me ;) |
| 11:16.39 | tybollt | varying |
| 11:16.39 | RST38h | Well, he did apparently get unauthorized access to internal Nokia stuff, but AFAIK that was not the main issue |
| 11:16.55 | tybollt | what was indeed the main issue? |
| 11:17.40 | RST38h | Him talking out of his ass, antagonizing lots of people, then claiming that they are all "geeks" and he is some kind of uber technology god |
| 11:17.46 | mece | Eldarl he pissed off the maemo community by thrashing th N900. He had a phone with the reboot issue, so I understand why he didn't like it. It was all very unfortunate for everyone. |
| 11:17.49 | mece | Eldar. |
| 11:18.09 | tybollt | ja |
| 11:18.11 | tybollt | I knew that |
| 11:18.27 | tybollt | and well... he's who he is *shrug* :) |
| 11:18.28 | mece | Yeah he came of as a total dick, but then again he was pretty harshly attacked before that, so I can't really blame him. |
| 11:19.24 | mece | And what he said about his particular phone was true. However the fact that he said it was like that with all phone was obviously not true. |
| 11:19.33 | mece | all N900's |
| 11:20.18 | mece | Still I was rather emarassed on behalf of the community for those threads. |
| 11:20.19 | RST38h | anyway, the guy apparently managed to piss off Nokia |
| 11:20.26 | mece | he did? |
| 11:20.28 | mece | how? |
| 11:20.29 | RST38h | yea |
| 11:20.35 | mece | I mean how do you know? |
| 11:20.43 | RST38h | About a year before that, he pissed off Sony Ericsson |
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| 11:21.14 | robink | wants an N900, but that would require a carrier change. |
| 11:21.21 | RST38h | And *after* the N900 incident, he seems to have pissed off one of the Koreans (either Samsung or LG) by stealing some internal presentation during a trip to Korea |
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| 11:21.37 | mece | RST38h, really? |
| 11:21.58 | glass_ | jacek-the-second? |
| 11:22.08 | RST38h | So, right now he is courting Motorola, apparently |
| 11:22.17 | mece | oh heh |
| 11:22.17 | tybollt | RST38h: Really? So the guy just blatantly picks up phones and walk away? |
| 11:22.28 | RST38h | tybollt: I have no idea |
| 11:22.47 | RST38h | All I know is that whatever manufacturer works with him, usually gets pissed at him |
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| 11:22.59 | tybollt | I mean if he did how the hell could he not get hunt up and down the court room? |
| 11:23.12 | tybollt | oh wait - he's in russia - that's why |
| 11:23.14 | RST38h | It is not United States. |
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| 11:23.25 | rkc_ | can anybody tell a good document to create a package file? |
| 11:23.34 | RST38h | He still can be dragged into the court room of course, but what is the point in that? |
| 11:23.41 | mece | I only care about one thing actually. |
| 11:23.46 | mece | regarding eldar. |
| 11:24.05 | mece | he leaked the N900. That was nice. I'm sure not everyone thinks so, but I was very happy about that. |
| 11:24.11 | RST38h | You really care? :) |
| 11:24.14 | rkc_ | I am following http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html#SECTION001410000000000000000 |
| 11:24.16 | RST38h | about one thing? :) |
| 11:24.33 | mece | well not care.. what's the word |
| 11:24.43 | tybollt | and jacek the second? |
| 11:24.53 | tybollt | so my-sym,bian guy used to pull similar tricks? |
| 11:24.56 | mece | wtf is jacek the second? |
| 11:25.00 | mece | oh. |
| 11:25.00 | tybollt | I did not know actually? |
| 11:25.13 | tybollt | mece: 12:21 < glass_> jacek-the-second? |
| 11:25.19 | tybollt | mece: so... you tell me! |
| 11:25.30 | RST38h | glass: So , who is the Jacek guy? |
| 11:25.30 | mece | no idea what that meant :) |
| 11:26.36 | mece | my wife hates my N900 |
| 11:26.46 | mece | Nokia N900 - Grounds for divorce |
| 11:27.01 | rkc_ | anybody can help me out in packaging? |
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| 11:29.06 | glass_ | RST38h: a guy who ran(runs?) a ms mobiles blog |
| 11:29.15 | glass_ | RST38h: who pissed off a lot of people, got fired from nokia etc |
| 11:29.20 | pupnik_ | anybody here know how to set up a 3g connection on n900? |
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| 11:29.36 | RST38h | glass: interesting |
| 11:29.43 | tybollt | glass_: you are not talking about Jacek over at my-symbian.com? |
| 11:30.25 | tybollt | ehr |
| 11:30.28 | tybollt | that is michal |
| 11:30.28 | glass_ | tybollt: hmm i'm pretty sure it's a different one |
| 11:30.30 | tybollt | nevermind :) |
| 11:30.32 | pupnik_ | it gives me 'access point name = internet' from the sim card i guess |
| 11:30.45 | RST38h | msmobile |
| 11:30.49 | RST38h | Jacek Rutkowski |
| 11:30.59 | glass_ | RST38h: http://jacekwatch2.blogspot.com/ yeh |
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| 11:31.57 | mece | pupnik_, it was automagical for me. the provider.. provides it :) |
| 11:32.18 | pupnik_ | right, well off to the store i guess |
| 11:32.20 | pupnik_ | cheers |
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| 11:33.17 | RST38h | glass: yea, I have found the meat already |
| 11:33.51 | RST38h | glass: got his own groupies, hasn't he? |
| 11:34.09 | tybollt | RST38h: oh heh they are ddosing :) |
| 11:36.49 | RST38h | spontaneously combusts: http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9274/jacekfinland6br.png |
| 11:36.54 | RST38h | Oh yeeaaaah |
| 11:36.56 | pupnik_ | got it working, thank ghod. Tschibo (o2) in germany needs APN="webmobil1" and not "internet" as read from the sim |
| 11:36.56 | glass_ | hehe |
| 11:37.37 | glass_ | RST38h: juliette by de sade is about as ranty and hard readable text |
| 11:37.38 | RST38h | "If you are a Finn brainwashed by the Finnish education system..." |
| 11:37.52 | glass_ | ..you'd use paragraphs. probably |
| 11:38.13 | RST38h | He is gooooood |
| 11:39.09 | RST38h | hasn't read stuff this wonderful since that article by some Polish russophobe about his trip to Irkutsk |
| 11:39.16 | Gadgetoid_mbp | pupnik_: how'd penguin command go? |
| 11:40.35 | Gadgetoid_mbp | RST38h: I couldn't get past the second line of the second paragraph, my brain gave up |
| 11:41.22 | tybollt | it is amusing indeed |
| 11:41.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But Finns are proud of being blonde? |
| 11:42.15 | shd | Gadgetoid_mbp: for hair color? not much to be proud of.. |
| 11:42.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | "choice of none nokia cell phones in finland is ridiculously small" |
| 11:42.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | non-nokia, even |
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| 11:44.12 | Muhvi | fins aren't that blonde anyway |
| 11:44.25 | mece | RST38h, O.O |
| 11:44.27 | Muhvi | its dissappearing here |
| 11:44.33 | Muhvi | swedes are quite blonde |
| 11:44.35 | mece | Muhvi, I'm blonde |
| 11:44.46 | Muhvi | mece, i know ;D |
| 11:44.51 | mece | Muhvi, well ash |
| 11:44.59 | mece | Muhvi, you know? |
| 11:45.06 | Muhvi | was meant to be a joke :) |
| 11:45.10 | mece | haha ok |
| 11:45.11 | Muhvi | but didn't sink :( |
| 11:45.14 | mece | I get it now. |
| 11:45.21 | mece | It takes a while for blondes. |
| 11:45.24 | gouverneur | shd: I am blonde and blueeyed |
| 11:45.25 | Muhvi | :) |
| 11:45.35 | shd | gouverneur: semi-blond, green eyes |
| 11:46.00 | gouverneur | yeah I am more like a dogdirtbag blonde |
| 11:46.11 | shd | #maemo.dating.service |
| 11:46.16 | gouverneur | ;) |
| 11:46.19 | mece | Why are people hyping about this nexus phone? |
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| 11:46.34 | gouverneur | because its android |
| 11:46.52 | mece | governeur, but it's exactly like all other android phones from what I can tell |
| 11:47.01 | pupnik_ | Gadgetoid_mbp: haven't looked at your targeting modifications yet. I'm very happy with the sounds. I think the levels get too hard too fast at around level 8 (non arcade mode) |
| 11:47.03 | gouverneur | I guess at least 3/4 of the fanboys are google bots! |
| 11:47.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You're right pupnik_, I got schooled about that far into the game |
| 11:47.31 | Termana | mece -- because its android and android is all the buzz in the tech world right now as well as this being the officially GOOGLE's entry in the smartphone market. |
| 11:47.41 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/mad-catz-cyborg-rat-hands-on-true-customizable-mouse-madness/ |
| 11:47.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's not a difficulty curve, it's a cliff! |
| 11:47.50 | wazd | I just got hot :) |
| 11:48.04 | tybollt | mece: Wring question. Right question: "Why are people hyping about this $ANYTHING_GOOGLERS? |
| 11:48.05 | kirma | mece: because there's stronger-than-usual association with google, although that might be just hype |
| 11:48.37 | gouverneur | has anyone talked to the parrot guys yet? the ARdrone would be nice for maemo |
| 11:49.11 | mece | gouverneur, what's ARdrone? |
| 11:49.18 | tybollt | gouverneur: parrot? As in the car BT system? |
| 11:49.27 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm waiting for one of those now, wazd |
| 11:49.28 | RST38h | "And nature in Finland is unusable during winter because of extremely low temperatures" |
| 11:49.33 | tybollt | meant to fire off a mail to Parrot people |
| 11:49.44 | mece | kirma, I suppose. I'm sure android is nice though. But I don't see any way it could be less interesting... |
| 11:49.50 | RST38h | I would say he is trolling, if not for the size of this rant |
| 11:49.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | RST38h: wtf!? nature unusuable? *facepalm* |
| 11:49.52 | tybollt | RST38h: one hell of a sherlock that guy! |
| 11:50.02 | gouverneur | tybollt: yes they created a 4motor BT-drone and programmed additional AR games for it as the drone has a cam |
| 11:50.10 | mgedmin | bluetooth sucks |
| 11:50.16 | tybollt | well |
| 11:50.21 | mgedmin | is struggling with bluemaemo now |
| 11:50.22 | kirma | I don't think there's a single mobile platform that would be in truly healthy condition at the moment |
| 11:50.25 | tybollt | I just want my Parrot MKI9200 to work >:) |
| 11:50.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | CES sucks, so many shiny gadgets but none of the PRs are actually in the office when I try to request samples |
| 11:50.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I should try actually attending, I suppose |
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| 11:52.08 | gouverneur | Gadgetoid_mbp: thats the idea of CES |
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| 11:52.35 | gouverneur | mece: 4motor BT drone |
| 11:52.48 | mece | oh I see. |
| 11:52.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ARDrone is Wifi |
| 11:52.56 | gouverneur | http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/videos/ |
| 11:53.13 | gouverneur | Gadgetoid_mbp: the old one is BT isnt it? |
| 11:53.35 | Gadgetoid_mbp | There's an old one? |
| 11:53.38 | mece | gouverneur, WANT! |
| 11:53.39 | gouverneur | ah its wifi even the old one |
| 11:53.44 | mgedmin | BlueMaemo rules |
| 11:53.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | BT just wouldn't work |
| 11:53.48 | mgedmin | but bluetooth still sucks |
| 11:54.00 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: worksfine |
| 11:54.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I wonder if it works through an access point, or WAN |
| 11:54.22 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: you can use an antenna with lots of gain onthe bottom |
| 11:54.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: for control, maybe, but streaming video from the drone? |
| 11:54.38 | gouverneur | the previous wasnt by parrot, the guys who won the junior inventor price with it (Germans) had it BTed |
| 11:54.55 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: streaming high quality video - no |
| 11:56.52 | mece | hmm.. |
| 11:57.33 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid |
| 11:57.53 | SpeedEvil | for my UAV design, I have bt/wifi/433MHz link. |
| 11:58.15 | SpeedEvil | though both of the first may drop out at exreme ranges |
| 11:58.56 | tybollt | nuff to spy at the neighbours - surely |
| 11:58.57 | SpeedEvil | with a big - 1.8m - dish on the bottom |
| 12:01.36 | pupnik_ | BARCELONA, Spain (Feb. 14, 2006) - Offering a breakthrough in how a mobile phone can work for you, Texas Instruments Incorporated (TI) today announced its new OMAPTM 3 architecture for mobile phones at a press conference at 3GSM World Congress. |
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| 12:02.11 | anidel | hi all |
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| 12:03.32 | pupnik_ | "N900 for just over a week now and really like it, but I also work selling phones, and believe me the N900 is a HARD sell, the typical convo goes as follows." http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39694 |
| 12:04.19 | tybollt | nice there on parrot.com |
| 12:04.22 | tybollt | "Warning: fsockopen() [function.fsockopen]: unable to connect to localhost:25 (Connection refused) in /var/www/parrotcontact/phpmailer/class.smtp.php on line 105 |
| 12:04.25 | tybollt | Your message has been sent. We thank you and we will respond to it as soon as possible." |
| 12:05.30 | RST38h | pupnik: About 1/3 of the answers he is giving are pretty unprofessional for someone who sells phones |
| 12:05.36 | RST38h | Kinda strange |
| 12:05.46 | mece | eehehe this Jacek character seems "nice" |
| 12:06.02 | anidel | anyone experiencing this issue: WiFi not re-connecting unless you reboot the device? |
| 12:06.09 | RST38h | mece: Just, PLEASE, do not "invite" him to tmo =) |
| 12:06.16 | anidel | sorry need to ask maemo-bugs :) |
| 12:06.41 | RST38h | anidel: works like a charm here, although messaging plugins sometimes get stuck |
| 12:06.49 | anidel | no it's the WiFi |
| 12:07.00 | anidel | now for example I cannot reconnect to my work WiFi |
| 12:07.08 | anidel | yesterday I couldn't reconnect to the home WiFi |
| 12:07.24 | onion | anidel: try going offline and back, works for me |
| 12:07.29 | anidel | if I reboot, they both woirk fine.. the issue usually happens when I leave a WiFi and go to another place ... |
| 12:07.34 | anidel | onion: tried, doesn't |
| 12:08.32 | anidel | just tried again.. WiFi flashed.. then it gave up (no errors shown) and connected to 3G |
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| 12:09.03 | anidel | trying to connect to WiFi manually.. WiFi icon flashing...then "Network connection error. Try again?" |
| 12:09.30 | anidel | I will file a bug.. but I am not sure if this issue happens on pre-production models like mine only or not... and it doesn't always happen |
| 12:15.28 | anidel | file bug #7777 |
| 12:15.56 | wazd | Gadgetoid_mbp: well, I have HAbu now but this mouse looks awesome :) |
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| 12:16.53 | RST38h | Hmmm: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/google_nexus_partner_friendly/ |
| 12:16.58 | RST38h | Ah, wazd! |
| 12:17.06 | RST38h | wazd: Can I make a humble request? =) |
| 12:17.42 | wazd | RST38h: sure |
| 12:18.04 | RST38h | wazd: Can you think of making a Maemo5 theme that looks like NeXT UI? =) |
| 12:18.15 | mece | RST38h, Scary... |
| 12:18.19 | RST38h | wazd: Samples (both BW and color versions, clickable for full size) here: http://www.ohlfs.com/keith/self/next/next.html |
| 12:18.26 | mece | RST38h, regarding google |
| 12:18.34 | wazd | RST38h: I was thinking of a theme that looks like DOS :D |
| 12:18.37 | RST38h | wazd: Notice how most UI elements where BW |
| 12:19.01 | RST38h | wazd: THAT would be evil :) But fortunately it is achievable by simply using MSDOS CGA font in XTerm :) |
| 12:19.35 | RST38h | mece: Probably does not mean a thing. Super or not super, it is another HTC phone, getting more and more regular with every week |
| 12:19.38 | tekojo | anidel are you in the test group? |
| 12:19.45 | anidel | tekojo: yes |
| 12:19.56 | tekojo | open a bug |
| 12:20.04 | wazd | RST38h: heh |
| 12:20.15 | anidel | tekojo: but I think I encountered this bug also on 42-11... I've already opened a bug (#7777) |
| 12:20.15 | RST38h | wazd: Also: PHOTOGRAPHIC ICONS! :) |
| 12:20.29 | tekojo | anidel, nice number :-) |
| 12:20.36 | anidel | tekojo: :) easy to remember :p |
| 12:20.38 | wazd | RST38h: well, I can see a hand of Jobs here :) |
| 12:21.09 | RST38h | wazd: Of course. And that was before He invented transparent blue plastic and toilet-derived shapes |
| 12:21.15 | anidel | (77 in neapolitan Lotto's are described as "Woman's legs") :) |
| 12:21.18 | mece | RST38h, I printed that and attatched it to the Nexus specs that were printed out and left in our coffee room at work :D |
| 12:21.28 | siriusnova | the nexus is nice |
| 12:21.32 | siriusnova | nice android phone |
| 12:21.53 | RST38h | anidel: afaik same in Russian |
| 12:22.07 | anidel | all android phones look the same to me |
| 12:22.10 | mece | siriusnova, the nexus is just another android phone. A little uglier IMO |
| 12:22.13 | anidel | RST38h, ah! :) cool |
| 12:22.19 | RST38h | well, Droid certainly got nice specs |
| 12:22.36 | siriusnova | the N900 needs a firmware update |
| 12:22.37 | siriusnova | badly |
| 12:22.42 | siriusnova | and it needs Ovi Maps 3.0 |
| 12:22.45 | siriusnova | heh |
| 12:22.46 | RST38h | But commoditization isn't really good for manucaturers, see what it has done to WinMo phones =) |
| 12:22.46 | mece | siriusnova, not mine. |
| 12:23.04 | anidel | RST38h, Hero also had nice specs, regarding camera for example (5mpx).. but the picture quality sucks compared to N900 for example.. specs, as you know for sure, aren't to be trusted :) |
| 12:23.12 | Stskeeps | anidel: does https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 sound like your #7777? |
| 12:23.36 | anidel | damn! I even searched for it! twice |
| 12:23.42 | tekojo | Stskeeps yes it does |
| 12:23.46 | anidel | ah! OS: Linux |
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| 12:23.49 | anidel | I searched for Maemo |
| 12:23.54 | tekojo | do you guys see bugs.maemo.org normally? |
| 12:23.55 | mece | andiel, the Hero looks nice too. |
| 12:24.00 | RST38h | anidel: N900 picture quality sucks either. |
| 12:24.04 | anidel | but it's different |
| 12:24.14 | anidel | mine's always connected to a single WiFI and never disconnects.. |
| 12:24.18 | Stskeeps | tekojo: it's the bug that is fixed in a unreleased version of a open package (osso-wlan) |
| 12:24.29 | anidel | RST38h, won't say so.. and compare Hero pictures to N900 pictures and see the details :) |
| 12:24.32 | Stskeeps | (> PR1.1) |
| 12:24.33 | anidel | if u can |
| 12:24.48 | mece | andiel, RST38h, but if I was forced to pick up an android phone, the milestone is the best one as far as I can tell. |
| 12:25.04 | tekojo | Stskeeps so it looks |
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| 12:25.22 | anidel | but mine's is in Comment #1 for that bug.. I'll mark mine as a duplicate of this |
| 12:25.33 | mece | What's the deal with the mythical firmware update btw? I missed the memo where it was delayed. |
| 12:26.22 | siriusnova | dunno |
| 12:26.26 | siriusnova | but its always rsn |
| 12:26.27 | siriusnova | :P |
| 12:26.29 | siriusnova | for the past month |
| 12:26.34 | mece | rsn? |
| 12:26.39 | siriusnova | real soon now |
| 12:26.42 | siriusnova | heh |
| 12:26.47 | siriusnova | which is a catch all phrase for |
| 12:26.50 | siriusnova | No idea |
| 12:26.51 | siriusnova | :p |
| 12:27.04 | mece | hehehe |
| 12:27.44 | mece | oh well. My phone works just fine, so I don't really need an update, but still it would be cool to get some new features. |
| 12:27.45 | wazd | RST38h: also I was thinking bout some white A-class theme |
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| 12:30.49 | Arkenoi | did i miss something |
| 12:31.05 | Dassu | Arkenoi: nou. |
| 12:31.45 | Arkenoi | RST38h, i wan under the impression that-who-is-not-to-be-named has authorized access to nokia prototypes, at least he stated that quite explicitly |
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| 12:34.56 | mece | Arkenoi, so he claimed. Afaict nobody knows how he gets them. |
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| 12:39.34 | tybollt | hmm |
| 12:39.49 | tybollt | when are we getting OOo for n900? |
| 12:40.21 | siriusnova | LOL |
| 12:40.24 | siriusnova | i hope never |
| 12:40.31 | siriusnova | OOo would run like utter crap |
| 12:40.33 | siriusnova | on a 600mhz Arm |
| 12:40.40 | redeeman | just install it in a chroot |
| 12:40.41 | redeeman | people have done it |
| 12:40.46 | tybollt | :D |
| 12:40.53 | tybollt | seriously |
| 12:40.56 | redeeman | ofc |
| 12:41.01 | Stskeeps | Ooo didn't run -that- crap on n8x0 |
| 12:41.02 | redeeman | you can install anything debian arm has |
| 12:41.02 | tybollt | I laughed at the idea of firefuck on the n900 |
| 12:41.07 | tybollt | I am running that now |
| 12:41.09 | tybollt | so ... :) |
| 12:41.15 | cehteh | iirc there are some builds already |
| 12:41.19 | siriusnova | tybolt |
| 12:41.26 | siriusnova | did you disable disk caching |
| 12:41.30 | siriusnova | to speed up fennec |
| 12:41.30 | redeeman | it would be nicer with 1GB ram and a cortex-A9 MP though :D |
| 12:41.32 | siriusnova | try that |
| 12:41.38 | tybollt | siriusnova: aaaah that why it is so slow? |
| 12:41.42 | siriusnova | it makes fennec so much more usable |
| 12:41.43 | siriusnova | yeah |
| 12:41.44 | siriusnova | its a bug |
| 12:41.48 | siriusnova | lemme link the post |
| 12:41.53 | tybollt | "disable disk caching"? |
| 12:41.56 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: what do you mean? the adverts said my n900 had 1GB |
| 12:42.00 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:42.04 | siriusnova | http://stechz.com/2010/make-your-fennec-rc1-fast-again/ |
| 12:42.08 | tybollt | is that in the n900? |
| 12:42.10 | siriusnova | yes |
| 12:42.12 | redeeman | SpeedEvil: hah, 1gb virtual memory, 256gb actual ram |
| 12:42.21 | siriusnova | fennec fox |
| 12:42.27 | redeeman | theres a big fat 768MB swap |
| 12:42.40 | siriusnova | what pisses me off is this 80MB free on / bullshens |
| 12:42.42 | tybollt | because disabling disk caching in linux == disable UBC and that ... is not doable :) |
| 12:42.44 | siriusnova | seriously Nokia wtf |
| 12:42.57 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: I've wondered if there are compatible 256/256 parts for the flash/RAM |
| 12:43.05 | wazd | 256gb, holy crap |
| 12:43.17 | redeeman | mb |
| 12:43.20 | tybollt | :) |
| 12:43.26 | Shadikka | 256GB RAM would be tasty. |
| 12:43.27 | redeeman | SpeedEvil: apparently the omap3 cannot handle more ram |
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| 12:43.37 | redeeman | so nokia isn't to blame |
| 12:43.52 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: hmm |
| 12:43.58 | redeeman | the huge ram usage maemo does have is somewhat frightening though |
| 12:44.19 | cehteh | someone fix ramz please :P |
| 12:47.00 | Stskeeps | ramzswap works on n8x0 doesn't it |
| 12:47.47 | kirma | I thought OMAP3 could handle more, but stacked packaging isn't available in larger capacities yet |
| 12:48.14 | alexj_ | i have been having reboot issues with my n900, turning off enable_off_mode seems to help but battery live is very bad and the phone hangs |
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| 12:48.37 | siriusnova | alexj - same problems as u |
| 12:48.37 | siriusnova | :) |
| 12:48.43 | siriusnova | jointhe early adopter club |
| 12:48.43 | siriusnova | hehe |
| 12:48.44 | alexj_ | any pointers on improving this |
| 12:49.03 | siriusnova | yes |
| 12:49.12 | siriusnova | yell at Nokia for releasing a buggy piece of crap firmware |
| 12:49.13 | siriusnova | :P |
| 12:49.31 | alexj_ | :) |
| 12:49.38 | frals | hand it in to nokia care and tell em you what a new device should work as well |
| 12:49.39 | kirma | had maybe three spontaneous reboots on first week... and after that, not a single one. |
| 12:49.51 | kirma | somewhat interesting how they disappeared |
| 12:49.51 | siriusnova | hopefully i heard the new firmware coming out should fix a lot of issues |
| 12:49.53 | alexj_ | yelling i guess will not help us |
| 12:50.04 | siriusnova | when it comes out |
| 12:50.17 | alexj_ | i am keeping my fingers crossed |
| 12:50.32 | alexj_ | but in terms of usability it is so awesome |
| 12:50.45 | tybollt | alexj_: you'd be suprised to know how well yelling works for my boss when he wants stuff done ... by me ;) |
| 12:50.53 | alexj_ | how i wish i didnt get the faulty piece |
| 12:51.19 | tybollt | siriusnova: we want ETA, not promises ;) |
| 12:51.21 | alexj_ | tybollt: :) |
| 12:51.28 | siriusnova | yeah me too |
| 12:51.30 | siriusnova | im in the same boat |
| 12:51.54 | siriusnova | the only reason im not getting rid of the N900 and getting a Droid is that Nokia tends to have awesome hardware and phone functionality that works well |
| 12:51.59 | siriusnova | so im expecting an update |
| 12:52.02 | alexj_ | just looking at the scale of the impacted devices, someone really messed up the process |
| 12:52.02 | siriusnova | :P |
| 12:52.19 | Milo- | hmm |
| 12:52.29 | Milo- | when I open application manager |
| 12:52.46 | alexj_ | i will wait for the update, if that doesnt fix, i will go for a replacement |
| 12:52.50 | Milo- | it always updates the package list, and the stop button won't work |
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| 12:54.08 | Lynoure | Today I ran into an answering system not accepting the "for service, press 5" things from my N900. Weird, because I think I have used Nokia phone conf with those... ended up successfully using a crappy spare phone |
| 12:54.38 | ifreq | Lynoure: using daily such services.. no problems |
| 12:55.08 | Lynoure | ifreq: I did too, with the fw I had from maemo summit... but not after that, I think |
| 12:55.25 | Lynoure | Might be just the device breaking too, or cosmic rays =) |
| 12:55.31 | ifreq | =) |
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| 13:03.14 | redeeman | Lynoure: i too use that |
| 13:03.23 | Muhvi | i hate those cosmic rays ;) |
| 13:03.39 | redeeman | but if we didn't have cosmic rays, what else would we blame? |
| 13:03.55 | Muhvi | probably video games |
| 13:03.59 | tybollt | nsa! |
| 13:05.11 | ifreq | position of the moon and stars |
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| 13:05.51 | cehteh | mhm ..someone thought about porting stellarium to maemo5? |
| 13:06.07 | cehteh | that would be an aweseome eye candy thing |
| 13:06.19 | Lynoure | Actually, I could blame HP as well, after all, it was HP support line |
| 13:06.26 | rkc_ | hi guys.. i have tried creating deb package for my test app, which contains test.cpp, makefile, test.pro (this is a qt app). aFter creating the deb, it does not contain my executable in the package |
| 13:06.27 | rkc_ | y? |
| 13:06.56 | rkc_ | i use dh_make for creating debian structure |
| 13:06.59 | tybollt | n? |
| 13:07.22 | adeus | your INSTALLS is broken |
| 13:07.42 | rkc_ | what could have gone wrong? |
| 13:07.53 | rkc_ | this is the first time i create debian package |
| 13:08.19 | adeus | in .pro, INSTALLS += target |
| 13:09.02 | rkc_ | adeus: what do u mean.. do u mean i need to add this line? |
| 13:09.32 | adeus | yes |
| 13:09.50 | rkc_ | target should it be replaced by my target file name? |
| 13:09.57 | adeus | no |
| 13:10.10 | adeus | you should have a row TARGET = appname |
| 13:10.14 | adeus | where appname is the file name |
| 13:10.57 | rkc_ | TARGET = appname, this line should be in .pro file or in Makefile? |
| 13:11.38 | adeus | yes, where appname is your app name |
| 13:12.36 | rkc_ | ok.. let me try |
| 13:13.23 | adeus | but in all likelyhood, the "INSTALLS += target" row will be enough |
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| 13:17.00 | rkc_ | adeus: still the same problem |
| 13:17.21 | tybollt | dern mfe is ?=½"¤%)="#? |
| 13:17.37 | rkc_ | my test-1.0.0 folder contains test.cpp test.pro and Makefile |
| 13:18.05 | rkc_ | i use dh_make with --createorig option |
| 13:18.13 | rkc_ | it creates debian directory |
| 13:18.46 | rkc_ | then i use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 13:19.28 | rkc_ | if i open the created .deb file in archive manager, it contains data, controll tars and the .binary |
| 13:19.39 | rkc_ | inside data tar, /usr/bin/ contains nothing |
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| 13:22.50 | pupnik_ | RST38h: Keith Ohlfs really did a bang-up job with icons back in the day... I think he was 'ahead of his time'.. |
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| 13:26.30 | adeus | rkc_, debian/<appname> directory contains the data that goes into the deb |
| 13:27.23 | rkc_ | adeus.. i dont have any such directory |
| 13:27.37 | rkc_ | i have only files.. |
| 13:27.50 | RST38h | pupnik: The whole thing was ahead of its time |
| 13:28.14 | rkc_ | do i need to create that directory?? |
| 13:29.19 | adeus | no |
| 13:29.48 | rkc_ | but dh_make doesnot creat taht.. |
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| 13:30.03 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 13:30.06 | adeus | and it shouldn't |
| 13:30.08 | rkc_ | but the process fo dpkg-buildpackage creates the executable.. |
| 13:30.16 | adeus | it's created during make |
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| 13:30.21 | adeus | which runs make |
| 13:30.44 | rkc_ | i guess dpkg-buildpackage runs make.. isnt it? |
| 13:30.55 | Andy80 | a simple question... how can I automatically execute: "export DISPLAY=:2" when I log into scratchbox? I don't remember the file I've to use... .bashrc? |
| 13:31.29 | adeus | it runs make something like "make INSTALL_ROOT=$(CURDIR)/debian/$(APPNAME) install" |
| 13:31.46 | rkc_ | yes exactly.. i fould this line in rule file |
| 13:31.48 | adeus | this depends on your debian/rules |
| 13:32.05 | adeus | Andy80, yes |
| 13:32.16 | rkc_ | yes.. i got it.. the folder is created.. |
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| 13:32.35 | adeus | and I'm guessing usr/bin/ is empty inside it |
| 13:32.35 | rkc_ | but the /debian/<appname>/usr/bin contains nothing |
| 13:33.15 | adeus | so your installs is still broken somehow |
| 13:33.33 | rkc_ | what do u mean by installs?? is it a file? |
| 13:33.47 | trx | is there any pascal compiler that can generate executable's for maemo? |
| 13:33.53 | adeus | the variable in the .pro file |
| 13:34.10 | Andy80 | adeus: oh thanks, it was already set :P we should update wiki informations |
| 13:34.23 | rkc_ | here is my .pro file content |
| 13:34.24 | rkc_ | TEMPLATE = app TARGET = test DEPENDPATH += . INCLUDEPATH += . # Input SOURCES += test.cpp |
| 13:34.26 | lcuk | Andy80, you got over installation issues? |
| 13:34.38 | rkc_ | it doesnt have any installs |
| 13:34.43 | adeus | so add it |
| 13:34.48 | rkc_ | cool |
| 13:34.49 | adeus | INSTALLS += test |
| 13:34.57 | rkc_ | at the end? |
| 13:35.01 | Andy80 | lcuk: yes... simply repeating installation :\ |
| 13:35.01 | adeus | anywhere |
| 13:35.09 | lcuk | haha |
| 13:35.14 | lcuk | good though :) |
| 13:35.24 | lcuk | glad its runnin |
| 13:35.33 | Andy80 | lcuk: now I "start" playing with the GUI :) |
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| 13:37.31 | rkc_ | after adding that line, when i run "qmake test.pro" it gives the follwing waringin |
| 13:37.38 | rkc_ | lWARNING: test.path is not defined: install target not created |
| 13:37.45 | adeus | ah |
| 13:37.56 | adeus | add that as well |
| 13:38.00 | rkc_ | like? |
| 13:38.21 | adeus | hmm |
| 13:38.22 | rkc_ | in .pro file? |
| 13:38.30 | adeus | yes, wait |
| 13:38.35 | rkc_ | sure |
| 13:39.11 | adeus | I have BINDIR = $$PREFIX/bin |
| 13:39.20 | adeus | and then "target.path =$$BINDIR" |
| 13:39.35 | rkc_ | in pro file .. right? |
| 13:39.36 | adeus | so add both of those lines |
| 13:39.39 | adeus | yes |
| 13:40.10 | rkc_ | waht about th e$$PREFIX |
| 13:40.45 | adeus | $$ means its a env variable |
| 13:40.59 | rkc_ | so.. i have to export it?? |
| 13:41.04 | adeus | isEmpty(PREFIX) { |
| 13:41.10 | adeus | PREFIX = /usr/local |
| 13:41.11 | adeus | } |
| 13:41.21 | adeus | you can do that in the beginning of the pro file |
| 13:41.43 | konttori_nokia | is it just me or is the maemo.org repository really slow atm? |
| 13:42.09 | rkc_ | ok |
| 13:42.33 | Stskeeps | konttori_nokia: not just you |
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| 13:42.53 | rkc_ | target.path =$$BINDIR is this should be inside "? |
| 13:43.05 | konttori_nokia | apt-get update shows that most of the time is spent just waiting for the servers. |
| 13:43.08 | X-Fade | Should become bit better soon. I was syncing stuff and the load on the origin got really high. |
| 13:43.12 | adeus | rkc_, http://www.pastebin.ca/1742718 |
| 13:43.14 | konttori_nokia | I wonder what is going on. |
| 13:43.23 | adeus | example |
| 13:46.56 | rkc_ | qmake gives the same error still |
| 13:47.09 | rkc_ | test.path is not defined: install target not created |
| 13:48.26 | adeus | pastebin your .pro file |
| 13:49.44 | rkc_ | one sec |
| 13:50.37 | rkc_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1742724 |
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| 13:51.45 | adeus | the installs says test |
| 13:51.54 | adeus | it should say target |
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| 13:51.57 | rkc_ | is nt that right? |
| 13:52.01 | rkc_ | ok |
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| 13:57.16 | Gadgetoid_mbp | my daughter is a weird tiny walking TV guide who seems able to predict with disturbing accuracy when something she wants to watch is about to start |
| 13:57.36 | edheldil | van n900 do a BNEP profile? |
| 13:57.38 | edheldil | can |
| 13:57.53 | edheldil | i.e. can it serve as an AP? |
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| 14:06.40 | frals | <3 the repos Fetched 3412kB in 7min4s (8044B/s) |
| 14:08.08 | adeus | ye old modem days |
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| 14:10.41 | tybollt | so is anyone using (qt)irreco? |
| 14:11.27 | X-Fade | tybollt: Yes. |
| 14:11.45 | X-Fade | tybollt: Well, using... I have it working. |
| 14:13.08 | ali1234 | i'm using irreco, dunno if it is qt version |
| 14:13.16 | ali1234 | i lost my tv remote |
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| 14:14.35 | rkc_ | adeus: now the qmake test.pro works fine.. |
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| 14:15.00 | rkc_ | but the /debian/<appname> still missing executable |
| 14:15.08 | pupnik3g | ok this is really fun now |
| 14:15.28 | rkc_ | the executable is created in the current directory itself |
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| 14:16.31 | tybollt | X-Fade: did you manage to find a good big database of remotes? |
| 14:16.47 | X-Fade | The included worked for me. |
| 14:16.58 | tybollt | oh gee, lucky you ;P |
| 14:17.10 | X-Fade | Well, I created a remote myself, from a lirc file. |
| 14:17.21 | tybollt | had one of those EPICFAIL moments w/ that :-/( |
| 14:17.29 | tybollt | oooh olrite |
| 14:17.31 | tybollt | I see |
| 14:17.58 | X-Fade | There are a lot of remotes in the lirc database. |
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| 14:20.07 | mgedmin | couldn't get irreco to work |
| 14:20.41 | X-Fade | mgedmin: /etc/init.d/lircd start ? |
| 14:20.52 | mgedmin | no, my remote was not in the DB |
| 14:21.04 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Ah. |
| 14:21.08 | mgedmin | remotes with similar serial numbers didn't work |
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| 14:21.09 | X-Fade | Well, I can't use it anyway. |
| 14:21.20 | X-Fade | My couch is more than 2m away from the tv. ;) |
| 14:21.32 | mgedmin | what, the IR is so weak? |
| 14:21.45 | X-Fade | It is very directed, it seems. |
| 14:22.13 | tybollt | why did they include it at all? |
| 14:22.17 | X-Fade | But either it is weak or the frequency is not entirely correct. |
| 14:22.21 | tybollt | if it is unidirectional anyway? |
| 14:22.54 | hrw | morning |
| 14:24.07 | frals | whats the delay between build-succeeded and a package appearing in -devel? :) |
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| 14:24.48 | lcuk | and is the time interval due to change after the server upgrade |
| 14:25.30 | lcuk | frals, my experience is its like an episode of 24, "within the hour" |
| 14:25.34 | frade | jrocha, ping? |
| 14:25.41 | frade | jrocha, are you using python-hildon? :) |
| 14:25.49 | X-Fade | frals: Normally it should be there quite soon, but not at the moment. |
| 14:26.10 | frals | lcuk: alright |
| 14:26.15 | frals | X-Fade: roger |
| 14:26.41 | rkc_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1742759 |
| 14:28.21 | adeus | pastebin your .pro again |
| 14:28.53 | jrocha | frade, pong. oh yeah |
| 14:29.21 | frade | jrocha, it seems that hildon.TouchSelector doesn't have get_selected_rows |
| 14:29.43 | frade | (the method is in the .defs in pymaemo repository.... but not in my python interpreter in scratchbox) |
| 14:29.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | tybollt: it's a huge gain in featureset for a very small increase in BOM |
| 14:29.56 | jrocha | frade, hmm, might be. I never used that method with Python |
| 14:30.10 | jrocha | do you need that really, can't you use get_active? |
| 14:30.12 | frade | jrocha, have you ever used a TouchSelector in multiple-selection mode in python? |
| 14:30.22 | frade | jrocha, get_active is for single-selection, i think... |
| 14:30.34 | jrocha | frade, that's the thing, I never used it for multiple choice in python |
| 14:30.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: can't irreco adjust the carrier freq? |
| 14:31.04 | frade | jrocha, i am trying to use it... and i cannot get the results! |
| 14:31.05 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: It uses lirc. |
| 14:31.09 | jrocha | frade, but once I wanted a method from the HildonAppMenu that wasn't in python-hildon, they fixed it after I entered a bug |
| 14:31.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | so can't lirc? |
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| 14:31.21 | lizardo | frade: as asked you yesterday to add a bug report on this :) |
| 14:31.25 | lizardo | as -> I |
| 14:31.29 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: But I haven't looked at a scope to see if it actually is using the right freq. |
| 14:31.35 | jrocha | frade, try to use the hildon.hildon_touch_selector_get_selected_rows |
| 14:31.36 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 14:31.46 | Stskeeps | anyone remember if .install files can take non- user/ categories? |
| 14:31.49 | jrocha | normally those work-arounds work |
| 14:32.00 | frade | lizardo, ops, sorry, those messages were lost in the xchat history during night :) |
| 14:32.03 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: It works from quite close, so it can't be that bad. |
| 14:32.03 | lizardo | frade: I checked and indeed the method is missing (the fact it is in .defs does not mean that codegen, the automatic code generator, generated code for it) |
| 14:32.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: what *is* the right freq? ;-P |
| 14:32.14 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Depends on your tv. |
| 14:32.16 | frade | lizardo, ah! ok, great |
| 14:32.25 | clmntch | hello |
| 14:32.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: that's what I implied in my Q ;) |
| 14:32.44 | lizardo | frade: so if you could add a bug report on it (https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo) we will take a look on it ASAP :) |
| 14:33.07 | jrocha | frade, still try the method I wrote here for the moment |
| 14:33.15 | frade | lizardo, waiting for the DNS to update... |
| 14:33.19 | lizardo | where "ASAP" depends on the other PyMaemo tasks... |
| 14:33.20 | frade | no access to bugs.maemo.org |
| 14:33.40 | lizardo | frade: ah ok, I am lucky to have it already working :) |
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| 14:33.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: I assume the IR LED is driven directly by a GPIO of SoC? |
| 14:34.16 | X-Fade | frade: https://80.248.164.252/ |
| 14:34.34 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: No idea. |
| 14:34.40 | lizardo | frade: I heard you could use: https://80.248.164.252/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo |
| 14:34.53 | lizardo | frade: but firefox will complain :) |
| 14:34.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: as in 'there's no carrier freq hw implied' |
| 14:34.53 | kamui | jeez, anyone had MMC corruption in their N900? |
| 14:35.05 | kamui | My 8gig reports 1.7gigs free, but the directory only shows a dcim folder now |
| 14:35.17 | kamui | none of my 6gigs of media are there anymore |
| 14:35.18 | kamui | wierd |
| 14:35.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: prolly one of the pwm counters / clocks |
| 14:35.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | or even a dedicated IR function output |
| 14:35.46 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Can be, Ihave no idea. |
| 14:36.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway adjusting freq should be feasible |
| 14:36.25 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, lirc should do that. But how do we know if the actual freq is accurate ;) |
| 14:36.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 14:36.58 | cehteh | can the n900 receive IR or only transmit? |
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| 14:37.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | use a fotodiode and a scope? |
| 14:37.20 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Like I said ^^^ |
| 14:37.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: tx only |
| 14:37.58 | frade | lizardo, done! https://80.248.164.252/show_bug.cgi?id=7782 |
| 14:38.05 | frade | thanks X-Fade |
| 14:38.06 | cehteh | well i still wait for a tv-b-gone app, thats all i need :) |
| 14:38.35 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. I don't see why the proximity or the battery door sensor (if you feel silly) shouldn't be able to recieve IR. |
| 14:38.43 | SpeedEvil | I need to do a little more digging. |
| 14:38.50 | SpeedEvil | (WRT IRRX) |
| 14:38.58 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: hehe hacks :) |
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| 14:38.59 | lizardo | frade: thanks :) |
| 14:39.13 | SpeedEvil | That's barely a hack. |
| 14:39.22 | SpeedEvil | A hack is soldering on a compass. :) |
| 14:39.31 | cehteh | and i suggested nokia could leave out the proximity and brightness sensor by using the front cam for that .. but this way :) |
| 14:39.44 | kamui | SpeedEvil: know anything about MMC corruption on the N900 |
| 14:39.54 | kamui | Im formatting the card now, no point in crying over spilled milk |
| 14:40.02 | SpeedEvil | kamui: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mmcblk0 |
| 14:40.04 | kamui | but I don't want to keep using it if this is common |
| 14:40.16 | SpeedEvil | should work. |
| 14:40.28 | kamui | wouldn't that just wipe the card with random bits? |
| 14:40.32 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 14:40.39 | kamui | wouldn't I have to format it again right after? |
| 14:40.46 | SpeedEvil | it will corrupt it. |
| 14:40.54 | kamui | oh, thanks for that :) |
| 14:41.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh |
| 14:41.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: howdy |
| 14:41.18 | SpeedEvil | needs to go outside in the cold and sort his car. |
| 14:41.22 | SpeedEvil | And is trying to avoid. |
| 14:41.28 | anidel | feels trapped: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm |
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| 14:41.42 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: l3/l4 manual linked on wiki. it's block, not schematic - but... |
| 14:41.51 | SpeedEvil | (not from me) |
| 14:41.55 | SpeedEvil | anidel: saw that - awesome |
| 14:42.02 | anidel | indeed |
| 14:42.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: bah. I'm in for a real treat now. taking a shower while adjusting water temp via a remote control only ;-P |
| 14:42.44 | odin_ | is back |
| 14:42.53 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: I currently have no hot water. |
| 14:42.54 | cehteh | bah .. i never succeed in uploading something to ovi. trying again now and the photos app crashes |
| 14:43.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: heeeh for L3/4 |
| 14:43.09 | SpeedEvil | I need also to go into the attic and try to repair/replace my hot water heater. |
| 14:43.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | pointer? |
| 14:43.21 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: Good on you son, let me know how your n900 dealt w/ being submerged into water. |
| 14:43.22 | odin_ | is there a known issue when your N900 battery is flat, so you plug it into charger, wait 30 seconds, orange light slowly flashes, then I attempt to power it up and that never works |
| 14:43.28 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: the pointer is not documented - it's just a bit of plastic, with no electronics. |
| 14:43.41 | Stskeeps | odin_: sounds like precharge(?) |
| 14:43.50 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking |
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| 14:43.59 | odin_ | I then unplug charger and wait 30 seconds and then attempt to plugin in charger again and/or power up and no nothing working... i.e. no light comes on, no indication of charging, etc... |
| 14:44.10 | tybollt | odin_: how long do you hold the pwrbtn for? |
| 14:44.20 | cehteh | odin_: wait some time |
| 14:44.33 | odin_ | tybollt, maybe 10 seconds, but the white light never comes on now |
| 14:44.38 | cehteh | it may be so low that you cant boot the device |
| 14:44.50 | odin_ | ok but I have charger plugged in |
| 14:45.05 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it should charge slowly if it's deeply discharged - according to the l3/l4 manual |
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| 14:45.06 | tybollt | odin_: also - as we did this yesterday - are you charging from an USB-outlet? Don't, if your mobile batt runs out - HAVE to charge from a wall socket to be ona safe side. |
| 14:45.10 | cehteh | if you drain it more it might even get bricked because it has not enough charge left to control the charging itself |
| 14:45.19 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: that seems tobe false. |
| 14:45.27 | odin_ | tybollt, yes I am always charging from wall charger |
| 14:45.33 | cehteh | well |
| 14:45.38 | pupnik3g | SpeedEvil: evil rumor? |
| 14:46.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: pointer to L3/4 (no plastic please!) ;-) |
| 14:46.33 | odin_ | I hage charger plugging in again now, and the orange light goes not come on (to indicate charging, there is no feint Nokia logo on screen, etc...) no indication of anything.... power button held down for 10 seconds yelid no change in behavor (no light comes on) |
| 14:46.39 | SpeedEvil | See p168 |
| 14:46.47 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: above page |
| 14:47.00 | cehteh | odin_: tried remove battery, wait a bit and reinsert it? |
| 14:47.21 | odin_ | its not completely drained, it simply ran out of battery and turned itself off, that was the last normal use of it... |
| 14:47.36 | SpeedEvil | odin_: remove battery, remove charger, wait 30s, plug in battery and charger, wait 10 mins. now try starting |
| 14:47.38 | odin_ | cehteh yes if I take battery out it fixed it, but thats a bug/problem |
| 14:48.05 | odin_ | it does there EVERY time, its a design fault |
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| 14:48.06 | SpeedEvil | It diddn't with me. |
| 14:48.10 | SpeedEvil | But I've only run it flat once. |
| 14:49.52 | odin_ | the charge circuit should at least be able to both power the device and minimally charge the battery (leading the internal battery logic to protect itself) |
| 14:50.06 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't. |
| 14:50.19 | SpeedEvil | The device - internally - relies on the battery being present to supply power. |
| 14:50.29 | SpeedEvil | It can never run off USB alone. |
| 14:50.34 | SpeedEvil | As I read the docs. |
| 14:50.53 | SpeedEvil | It will take some time for it to wake up enough to boot once deep discharged |
| 14:51.06 | odin_ | the charge system should always work and the power button should always be responsive (if there is enough power in the batter to switch on) |
| 14:51.34 | odin_ | so the default drained battey state is that you leabe it plugged into charger long enough you will have enough power in batt to switch on |
| 14:52.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | booting a usb powered device with flat bat is a general nightmare |
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| 14:52.32 | odin_ | but it seems possible to have the N900 not charge up, even when flat and plugged into charger, which means its never responsive to power button no matter how long you wait (this is a design fault and not how other nokia phones work) |
| 14:52.58 | SpeedEvil | As I read it - that seems to be not how the manual indicates things to happen. |
| 14:53.01 | cehteh | odin_: i dont have that problem either, mine ran flat a few times |
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| 14:53.14 | SpeedEvil | It should immediately on plugin of the charger charge at 500mA |
| 14:53.18 | SpeedEvil | and light the orange LED |
| 14:53.33 | cehteh | when its flat i usually dont try to boot it but plug it in for charging for 5-10 minutes at least |
| 14:54.00 | cehteh | well any since my charger is damaged, i can use usb charging only :/ |
| 14:54.26 | odin_ | yes I get that, I leave it for 3 mins with orange LED, now I press power on button, the orange LED goes white (but it does not complete the full bright white with vibration), it flashes dim white for a few seconds, from this point on the LED stop working |
| 14:54.56 | odin_ | from that point on it does not appear to charge anymore.... no orange LED anymode.... the LED is always off... the power button is always unresponsive |
| 14:55.07 | SpeedEvil | That is odd. |
| 14:55.14 | SpeedEvil | Do you happen to own a DMM? |
| 14:55.42 | odin_ | DMM nope... DMM ? |
| 14:55.50 | SpeedEvil | Digital MultiMeter |
| 14:55.56 | odin_ | yup |
| 14:56.03 | SpeedEvil | some measurements of battery voltage would be interesting. |
| 14:56.05 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 14:56.11 | SpeedEvil | is this a prepreelase device? |
| 14:56.16 | odin_ | nope |
| 14:56.29 | SpeedEvil | you get OK battery life? |
| 14:56.30 | odin_ | BJ-5J battery, 3 terminals |
| 14:57.01 | odin_ | well define "OK", as in my E72 with WLAN off, Btooth off, can do 5days plus battery life, making/reciving no calls |
| 14:57.20 | odin_ | I'd never seen 36 hours with N900, with same setup |
| 14:57.59 | Wolfie | the next firmware update will have better power saving, i've heard |
| 14:58.06 | odin_ | my N900 can be drained from browsers/microB/RSS over WLAN in less than 4 hours |
| 14:58.18 | cehteh | having my device idle (but wlan and gsm on) may last 2-3 days ... |
| 14:58.34 | cehteh | but there are some bugs which drain the batt faster |
| 14:58.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.shapeways.com/themes/full_color awesome. (though not n900 related) |
| 14:58.53 | cehteh | as well its easy with such a powerfull device to drain the battery compared to a simple phone |
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| 15:00.05 | cehteh | apropos printing .. how about a pict-bridge software for the n900? plug it into printer and directly print photos? |
| 15:01.21 | pupnik3g | i been chatting a while and batt still says full |
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| 15:01.43 | vasily_pupkin | test |
| 15:01.49 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I tried that - with mass-stroage mode, and it diddn't work. |
| 15:02.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: get usbhost to work and use cups :-P |
| 15:02.56 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: iirc that needs some special usb profile, but i dont know the details |
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| 15:03.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | admittedly the first part being the difficult one for now |
| 15:03.11 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: wlan and cups would be easier |
| 15:03.14 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: USB is alas a complex BGA rework. :/ |
| 15:03.18 | Jef91 | Anyone else here do the N900 holiday rebate form? |
| 15:03.22 | cehteh | but printing by just plug it in is what i want |
| 15:03.36 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: no - the printer does mass storage - but it diddn't work |
| 15:03.56 | cehteh | and you dont need host mode for pict-bridge -- but only software and usb profile |
| 15:04.15 | cehteh | eh |
| 15:04.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | curses rapidshare and the fact there's no schem with L4 |
| 15:04.39 | SpeedEvil | ceh: you can plug a mass storage device into this printer, and it will print photos. |
| 15:04.53 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: but it diddn't work with the n900 for some reason |
| 15:05.36 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: ah ok .. well i was talking about this special 'pict bridge' mode |
| 15:05.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe because N900 exports several mass storage volumes at once? |
| 15:06.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | pict bridge is crap anyway I've been told |
| 15:07.07 | cehteh | its simple |
| 15:07.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | wow 35% of dl finished |
| 15:08.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | we want schematics!!! how hard could it be to RE them? |
| 15:08.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | using JTAG |
| 15:09.10 | SpeedEvil | I don't see a pictbridge printer |
| 15:09.16 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:09.20 | SpeedEvil | pictbridge gadget |
| 15:09.30 | cehteh | most cameras are |
| 15:09.30 | SpeedEvil | uvc class would be fun tho |
| 15:09.43 | cehteh | (consumer cameras) |
| 15:09.44 | SpeedEvil | pictbridge gadget driver in the linux kernel |
| 15:09.56 | cehteh | ah |
| 15:10.26 | cehteh | well dunno if that needs a driver or can be purely solved in userland software .. i have no idea about its specification |
| 15:10.33 | SpeedEvil | it needs a driver. |
| 15:10.48 | cehteh | maybe its just mass storage with some special file which enumerates the photos printed |
| 15:11.04 | kamui | *sigh* |
| 15:11.04 | SpeedEvil | everything you want the device to pretend to be - mass storage, ethernet, ... - needs to be written as a seperate gadget driver. |
| 15:11.05 | kamui | formatted my card |
| 15:11.06 | cehteh | i really dont want to care, i am more interested in using it |
| 15:11.09 | SpeedEvil | it's not a mass storage device |
| 15:11.13 | kamui | hope this fixes the issue |
| 15:11.23 | SpeedEvil | Someone needs to write a pictbridge driver is all. |
| 15:11.27 | SpeedEvil | and then it's 'easy' |
| 15:11.37 | SpeedEvil | (for all linux devices) |
| 15:11.38 | kamui | in fact, how do you format the MMC in the N900 |
| 15:11.45 | kamui | I dont' see any options under memory or the fileman |
| 15:11.51 | kamui | do I have to manually do it from the console? |
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| 15:12.14 | SpeedEvil | I saw it I thought in settings -> memory - but I can't seem to find it again |
| 15:12.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | 50% woohoo |
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| 15:13.26 | gouverneur | cehteh: happy birthday... (was it yesterday?) |
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| 15:13.36 | cehteh | kamui: i'd cat /dev/null >some_large_file_on_emmc until disk full and then reflash the emmc |
| 15:13.54 | cehteh | oh hi chemist |
| 15:13.58 | cehteh | yes yesterday :P |
| 15:13.59 | gouverneur | ;) |
| 15:14.03 | Caesium | ugh, woke up this morning and N900 had run out of battery :( |
| 15:14.07 | gouverneur | ur realy old now hmm |
| 15:14.09 | Caesium | charged it up to full less than 24 hours ago |
| 15:14.16 | cehteh | kamui: the emmc firmware should take care to remap bad blocks |
| 15:14.30 | cehteh | if not then its time to send the device back |
| 15:15.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | eMMC should hide bad blocks via wear leveling builtin controller. As does any usual (u)SD |
| 15:15.39 | Arkenoi | noticed that my clanedar widget is out of sync with calendar application, how could that be? |
| 15:15.40 | cehteh | yeah |
| 15:15.53 | kamui | cehteh, I suck, I was referring to my microsdhc card, just keep calling it an mmc since its mounted on /media/mmc1 |
| 15:15.53 | Jef91 | Arkenoi: Reboot your device |
| 15:15.57 | cehteh | well thats not releated to wear leveling .. but still the controller should handle it |
| 15:16.00 | kamui | my internal memory is in great shape |
| 15:16.06 | cehteh | kamui: same there |
| 15:16.14 | Arkenoi | even more, i deleted some events, they do not appear in either one but i get alarms for it |
| 15:16.18 | cehteh | run badblocks |
| 15:16.22 | johnq | are there applications for maemo that cache map tiles (for example from openstreetmap or google maps) on disk? |
| 15:16.24 | Arkenoi | Jef91, i did, does not help |
| 15:16.34 | wazd | is trying to resist launching "Borderlands" :( |
| 15:16.45 | cehteh | means write all blocks and read them .. then the controler will schedule spare blocks for any read error |
| 15:16.49 | Jef91 | wazd: play it - you know you want to |
| 15:17.16 | Jef91 | wazd: Its annoying the added DRM to it after the release, it was running so well under Wine :( |
| 15:17.23 | wazd | jef91: but also I want to practice After Effects :( |
| 15:19.40 | pupnik3g | johnq you have control with maep if you want |
| 15:19.52 | Stskeeps | pupnik3g: it caches? |
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| 15:23.56 | LuciusMare | hi,how can i access sensor data? (such as accelerometer,proximity sensor or microphone) ? |
| 15:24.13 | cehteh | mostly dbus |
| 15:24.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: is the RX in proximity IR component a simple bright/dark schmitt trigger' or is it selectively sensing the carrier of same component IR TX? |
| 15:24.22 | cehteh | or querying /sys directly |
| 15:24.31 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: don't know |
| 15:25.03 | LuciusMare | and how does the n900 control the autodimming? is it got a light sensor or does it use the camera? |
| 15:25.16 | cehteh | light sensor |
| 15:25.48 | pupnik3g | stskeeps we can make it do anything... |
| 15:26.00 | Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/mpro120.jpg i wish i had a cable not that big and ugly. |
| 15:26.06 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: lightsensor |
| 15:26.55 | LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: wow, i didn't notice it anywhere,good work nokia |
| 15:27.14 | cehteh | huh? |
| 15:27.19 | anidel | it's right next (left) the front facing camera |
| 15:27.30 | cehteh | quite near to the rim |
| 15:27.35 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 15:27.46 | LuciusMare | i thought it's the proximity sensor... |
| 15:28.04 | cehteh | right of thev front cam nit left |
| 15:28.06 | anidel | it's both |
| 15:28.12 | cehteh | left is the proximity sensor |
| 15:28.20 | LuciusMare | huh. |
| 15:28.35 | cehteh | placed like the notification light exactly in the corner |
| 15:28.58 | anidel | cehteh, ? |
| 15:29.35 | LuciusMare | oh and, i may report a bug, when i try to turn on the flashlight, it quickly flashes,then turns off and displays "unable to turn flashlight on" |
| 15:29.37 | anidel | cehteh, ah.. you're right |
| 15:29.56 | Jef91 | Anyone else have issues with applications not wanting to access the net over wlan? |
| 15:29.56 | cehteh | LuciusMare: worksfor me |
| 15:30.12 | Jef91 | My OMWeather and APNews only appear to work via my 2.5g connection |
| 15:30.24 | gouverneur | hey anidel |
| 15:30.52 | corecode_ | oh the n900 can't do usb host mode? |
| 15:31.09 | LuciusMare | and i am not sure if it's caused by the lightshock,but it seems brighter to me,than the constant light before... |
| 15:31.17 | LuciusMare | corecode_: nope |
| 15:31.19 | gouverneur | corecode_: you r one of the fast kind?! |
| 15:31.30 | corecode_ | gouverneur: well how would i know |
| 15:31.41 | LuciusMare | exactly |
| 15:31.54 | LuciusMare | i,myself had it discovered not a long time ago |
| 15:33.16 | gouverneur | corecode_: http://tinyurl.com/y99lcvj |
| 15:33.35 | Jef91 | wonders why the error that stops the code from compiling always seems to show up at the end,.. |
| 15:33.47 | corecode_ | gouverneur: i don't see your point |
| 15:33.54 | corecode_ | gouverneur: i just found out, didn't i? |
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| 15:34.03 | gouverneur | you did ;) |
| 15:34.14 | johnq | pupnik3g: does maep always save the tiles? |
| 15:34.19 | corecode_ | so what's your link for then? |
| 15:34.37 | johnq | pupnik3g: it would be great if there was some kind of central tile repository that is used by all mapping applications |
| 15:34.40 | cehteh | maep doesnt cache iirc |
| 15:34.55 | cehteh | johnq: thats called squid :) |
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| 15:35.05 | gouverneur | it was one of the first features people recognized missing, even before the first handsets were shipped, what took you so long? |
| 15:35.18 | corecode_ | gouverneur: i don't have mine yet |
| 15:35.21 | cehteh | at least here at home .. but i consider to put a squid or some other caching proxy on the device |
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| 15:35.41 | gouverneur | corecode_: mine is somewhere in .nl I guess |
| 15:35.58 | corecode_ | also i don't read n900 fanposts all day |
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| 15:36.13 | gouverneur | neither do I |
| 15:36.24 | gouverneur | wasnt to piss you of sorry |
| 15:36.35 | corecode_ | so, is it really a hardware limitation? |
| 15:36.40 | gouverneur | yes |
| 15:36.52 | corecode_ | like, the usb chipset never supporting it? |
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| 15:37.12 | corecode_ | ah |
| 15:37.16 | corecode_ | heh |
| 15:37.24 | johnq | cehteh: but that only works if you always get the tiles from the same server |
| 15:37.25 | gouverneur | the chipset does support it |
| 15:37.29 | corecode_ | i'm thinking whether it is possible to mod it |
| 15:37.46 | cehteh | johnq: you can make some 'prefetch' app |
| 15:38.09 | SpeedEvil | corecode_: thechipset supports -butis not connected right |
| 15:38.12 | cehteh | johnq: i guess that will be simpler than convincing all other guys to use a shared cache in their apps |
| 15:38.29 | SpeedEvil | corecode_: remove one chip, add a teenybit of cooper wire, and it could. in principle. |
| 15:38.37 | corecode_ | SpeedEvil: heh well |
| 15:38.39 | SpeedEvil | corecode_: butit's a _nasty_ rework. |
| 15:38.56 | SpeedEvil | 4*4mm chip with 36 connections |
| 15:39.01 | corecode_ | a bga and one pin needs to be reconnected? |
| 15:39.03 | cehteh | johnq: btw osm is much faster than google maps here at home because i did some special hacks to my squid :) |
| 15:39.04 | corecode_ | meh |
| 15:39.17 | gouverneur | corecode_: they didnt connect the pin to activate hostmode, because the USB limitation says no powerinput at host-mode mounts |
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| 15:39.19 | johnq | cehteh: what did you optimize? |
| 15:39.20 | SpeedEvil | corecode_: tied to gnd IIRC |
| 15:39.54 | corecode_ | i see, i see |
| 15:39.59 | cehteh | johnq: google does always a "DIRECT" request from their api .. while osm has a hillarious small ttl on the tiles |
| 15:40.09 | corecode_ | well not so important actually |
| 15:40.15 | corecode_ | food now much more important |
| 15:40.22 | SpeedEvil | Google - you can't legally cache the tiles |
| 15:40.35 | cehteh | i forced the squid to ignore the ttl and put in like 5 months or so .. now the osm tiles cache perfectly while googles dont :P |
| 15:40.50 | SpeedEvil | OSM in't a problem - unless you overload the server |
| 15:40.59 | gouverneur | corecode_: I thought about what it would be for me to put into the usb port and I came up with a single thing, USB-DVB-t |
| 15:41.02 | SpeedEvil | at which point they ban you. |
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| 15:41.09 | SpeedEvil | gouverneur: keyboard |
| 15:41.16 | cehteh | the osm servers are slow and have a livetime of only a few minutes or so |
| 15:41.24 | gouverneur | SpeedEvil: what for? |
| 15:41.26 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: speed varies |
| 15:41.38 | SpeedEvil | gouverneur: well - at least I want a keyb |
| 15:41.48 | gouverneur | get a BT one |
| 15:41.48 | SpeedEvil | gouverneur: or a external hard drive |
| 15:41.51 | cehteh | yes but they are never as fast as google servers |
| 15:42.02 | cehteh | but with the caching now its awesome |
| 15:42.05 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: they have slightly less money. |
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| 15:42.20 | gouverneur | external harddrives powerd how? |
| 15:42.35 | SpeedEvil | gouverneur: many external drives have their own psu |
| 15:42.36 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: i would like to get some people together to setup a squids to make a distributed tilecache |
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| 15:42.54 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: irc.oftc.net #osm |
| 15:42.54 | gouverneur | and where do you plugin at the busstop? |
| 15:43.13 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: i am contact with other osm people |
| 15:43.14 | SpeedEvil | gouverneur: there is a powerpoint under the seat. |
| 15:43.19 | gouverneur | ;) |
| 15:43.35 | johnq | cehteh: google maps' tiles don't change as often as osm's |
| 15:43.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: ok. fig.48 doesn't look too promising wrt hostmode |
| 15:44.04 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: no - I've got info from someone who was talking to someone with actual schematics. |
| 15:44.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: and no, they can't. |
| 15:44.12 | cehteh | johnq: yeah, but for a normal user it doesnt matter when osm tiles are slightly outdated and you can always do a manual reload |
| 15:44.25 | cehteh | having osm extremely fast is really nice |
| 15:44.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: hrrrm |
| 15:44.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | what I suspected |
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| 15:45.30 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_isp1707 - mailing list post in there |
| 15:45.41 | SpeedEvil | and a hell of a lot of commits by the same author |
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| 15:46.04 | SpeedEvil | (not the source of the above info) |
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| 15:48.54 | johnq | cehteh: you are right, manual reload should be enough |
| 15:49.45 | X-Fade | frals: Added your feed to the planet. |
| 15:49.54 | frals | X-Fade: thank you :) |
| 15:50.00 | Jef91 | I feel like I'm making progress... It now fails to compile with a different error message >.< |
| 15:50.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | k now for remote controlled water torture ;-P |
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| 15:53.29 | odin_ | ok I have Digital Multi-Meter now... how do I check battery voltage levels? i.e. how do the 3 pins of the Nokia BL-5J 3.7v battey work? |
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| 15:54.49 | X-Fade | odin_: + and - are printed on the battery? |
| 15:55.11 | X-Fade | Anway, the 3rd terminal is a resistor. |
| 15:55.14 | odin_ | I see 3.68v and 3.65v between pin nearester corner of battery (which is -ve) and pin1/pin2 and pin1/pin3 |
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| 15:56.22 | cehteh | johnq: if you a bored i would propose following: use lighthttp/mod_proxy/mod_cache to cache maps .. and at same make some lightweight cgi to prefetch the cache |
| 15:56.40 | cehteh | lighthttpd is packaged for mamemo5 |
| 15:56.44 | odin_ | opps nope corner pin1 is +ve |
| 15:57.03 | cehteh | and squid is rather a rusty dinosauer, i doubt it will work nice on the device |
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| 15:57.57 | xorAxAx | odin_: so what do you think, what are the charging pins? the outer ones? |
| 15:58.10 | pupnik3g | man i love standing in line now! |
| 15:58.13 | odin_ | put battery back in and wall socket charger... Nokia display dimly lit and orange led back after 10 seconds |
| 15:58.47 | cehteh | odin_: some smart batteries only deliver power when their controller gets acknowledged with the host |
| 15:59.06 | pupnik3g | bah |
| 15:59.16 | odin_ | is the BL-5J a "smart battery" ? |
| 15:59.19 | cehteh | bit pita to measure that .. but i dont know if cell phone batteries are of that kind |
| 15:59.29 | odin_ | it seems like all the logic and smartness is on the N900 (not the battery) |
| 15:59.31 | cehteh | dunno |
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| 16:00.08 | xorAxAx | odin_: what is ground? |
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| 16:00.39 | odin_ | pin1 = +ve, pin2 = -ve(3.68v to pin1), pin3 = -ve(3.65v to pin1) |
| 16:02.49 | xorAxAx | i found the correct pins |
| 16:02.59 | xorAxAx | the outer two are right |
| 16:03.06 | xorAxAx | i am using a charger from dealextreme |
| 16:03.32 | odin_ | well after taking the battery out and retrying the normal process the N900 boots up |
| 16:03.41 | xorAxAx | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.21805 |
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| 16:04.05 | odin_ | but if I let batter drain/flatter from standby until it auto-powers off (then I think it could have been upto 8 hours before I plug in charger) |
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| 16:04.35 | odin_ | then I plugin charger for 3 minutes (or orange LED flashing slowly), I bet if I try to power up again it will die |
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| 16:06.58 | LuciusMare_away | uh. |
| 16:07.18 | LuciusMare | the integrated IM client cant do away status? |
| 16:07.28 | xorAxAx | odin_: which charger are you using? |
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| 16:09.40 | X-Fade | LuciusMare: Are you really away from your phone much? |
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| 16:10.07 | xorAxAx | does it have DND at least? |
| 16:10.18 | X-Fade | It has busy, yes. |
| 16:10.18 | cehteh | you can define your own states |
| 16:10.46 | cehteh | "besetzt" in german :) |
| 16:11.06 | xorAxAx | is busy used when the phone is lying upside down on the table? |
| 16:11.20 | cehteh | nope .. i plan that for my profile switcher |
| 16:11.32 | cehteh | currently there is no automatic switching |
| 16:11.33 | xorAxAx | because you can reject calls with that gesture, i read |
| 16:11.50 | cehteh | i never tried if that works |
| 16:12.08 | cehteh | would be also nice if that turns the mic off |
| 16:12.13 | cehteh | lemme try |
| 16:12.24 | Andy80 | where can I find, in the common installed applications, an example of "menu filter" ? |
| 16:13.25 | xorAxAx | what are the best packages only in -devel but not in -testing? |
| 16:14.24 | cehteh | ok silencing the call works |
| 16:15.16 | Jef91 | xorAxAx - I would not install anything from -devel if you need your device to work |
| 16:15.35 | xorAxAx | Jef91: bla bla :) |
| 16:15.43 | Jef91 | Even testing can be hazy. |
| 16:15.50 | Jef91 | That being said - moodlight is fun :D |
| 16:16.05 | Jef91 | Just know that you have to reboot to get your camera back with after using the flash light feature |
| 16:16.26 | Jef91 | the game boy emulators are also in testing/devel are rock solid |
| 16:16.30 | cehteh | there is a lot useful stuff in devel |
| 16:16.51 | cehteh | you just need to be careful with things that run permanently, damemons, widgets and stuff |
| 16:16.53 | Jef91 | use and stable are not always the same thing |
| 16:16.53 | aakashd | one spam guys: Mozilla QA is holding a testday on mobile firefox rc in #testday on irc.mozilla.org! Come join us on testing this browser before its released! |
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| 16:17.29 | cehteh | aakashd: performance issues solved? |
| 16:17.51 | aakashd | its better with RC2 candidate builds that i'm testing |
| 16:18.07 | Jef91 | aakashd link to ffm? |
| 16:18.11 | cehteh | last time i tried it was rather "do not want" |
| 16:18.44 | cehteh | big and slow |
| 16:18.55 | aakashd | Jef91: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/candidates/1.0rc2-candidates/build2/maemo/ |
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| 16:20.12 | cehteh | no install link? |
| 16:20.18 | odin_ | xorAxAx, the wall socket one that came with N900 AC-10X |
| 16:21.59 | Corsac | cehteh: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/candidates/1.0rc2-candidates/repos has some .install |
| 16:22.12 | Corsac | but seems that those are for âchinookâ distribution |
| 16:22.12 | cehteh | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fennec: |
| 16:22.12 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.12 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.31 | Corsac | (though the packages are indeed present) |
| 16:22.35 | cehteh | Corsac: that was slow like molases |
| 16:22.36 | Corsac | and xulrunner too |
| 16:23.30 | xorAxAx | Jef91: gameboy emu package names? |
| 16:23.34 | aakashd | hrm |
| 16:23.48 | Jef91 | umm vgb and vgba I think |
| 16:23.51 | Jef91 | I just used the GUI |
| 16:23.54 | Jef91 | to find them |
| 16:24.09 | aakashd | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/candidates/1.0rc2-candidates/repos/ |
| 16:24.17 | aakashd | those have the .install files |
| 16:24.53 | LuciusMare | X-Fade: yes,i am. |
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| 16:26.14 | Hukka | proving his point... |
| 16:28.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: odin_ : (bat) the middle pin most likely is a NTC aka thermistor to probe the bat temp. Similar to BL-5C |
| 16:28.20 | pupnik3g | Jef91: can you imagine writing emulators? like 5 of them? |
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| 16:29.56 | cehteh | ok call me again when fennec is useable :/ |
| 16:29.57 | Trizt | OT && bit odd question, anyone having a Hi3G subscription in sweden who got it to work on their N900? |
| 16:31.04 | xorAxAx | Jef91: i cannot find a gameboy emu in -devel or -testing |
| 16:31.18 | xorAxAx | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free |
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| 16:31.34 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: hmm, i am charging via the middle contact |
| 16:31.43 | Jef91 | package names are vgb |
| 16:31.44 | Jef91 | and vgba |
| 16:31.45 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: are you sure its T? |
| 16:31.50 | xorAxAx | Jef91: nothing found |
| 16:31.51 | Jef91 | apt-cache search gb |
| 16:31.58 | Jef91 | Repos are fucked up again then |
| 16:32.04 | Jef91 | They really have massive bandwidth issues |
| 16:32.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | xorAxAx: no, I'm not sure. Wild guessing |
| 16:33.25 | Jef91 | installs firefox mobile browser |
| 16:33.41 | Jef91 | Or not... |
| 16:33.44 | xorAxAx | does apt-get update again |
| 16:34.05 | ccooke | Jef91: hmm, I'd be interested to hear how usable that is |
| 16:34.12 | Corsac | and PR1.1 is not even out yet |
| 16:34.21 | Corsac | hope they have some spare n770 |
| 16:34.22 | xorAxAx | nothing |
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| 16:35.33 | Jef91 | xorAxAx :( |
| 16:35.35 | mtnbkr | any one know how I can add "pauses" in a dialing sequence on my N900? It seems that the phone # entry only allows numerals - no spaces, parentheses, dashes or commas (2sec pause) are accepted. |
| 16:35.39 | cehteh | Jef91: 'or not' .. did it work for you? :) |
| 16:35.51 | Jef91 | cehteh - it could not find xlrunner to install |
| 16:35.56 | cehteh | hah |
| 16:36.02 | Jef91 | Running apt-get update now and then apt-get -f install |
| 16:36.07 | Jef91 | to see if that resolves the issue |
| 16:36.11 | cehteh | see above .. wake me when its useable |
| 16:36.19 | Jef91 | lol will do |
| 16:36.29 | cehteh | and whats wrong with microb? .. works quite well for me |
| 16:37.20 | Cy8aer | mtnbkr: on the n95 it was multi * (shows p then), maybe it works on the n900 too |
| 16:37.22 | cehteh | wao: Failed to fetch http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/candidates/1.0rc2-candidates/repos/1.9.2_de/dists/chinook/release/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 16:37.38 | mgedmin | chinook? |
| 16:37.48 | mgedmin | why don't you use diablo? |
| 16:37.48 | cehteh | yeah the install file sucked |
| 16:38.54 | xorAxAx | can anybody tell me why something keeps adding broken repos to the hildon-application-manager.list because i might have used .install files with that repo? |
| 16:39.11 | mtnbkr | Cy8aer: multi? is that the blue diagonal arrow? |
| 16:39.25 | cehteh | i guess the app-manager needs some iterations before its really useable |
| 16:39.32 | Cy8aer | no, type * twice when dialing (or three times) |
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| 16:39.53 | xorAxAx | cehteh: it is already in its 4th iteration |
| 16:40.21 | cehteh | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 16:40.21 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.26 | cehteh | o/ |
| 16:40.38 | mtnbkr | Cy8aer: OK tried that.. it shows stars (* ) in phone number and when dialing I get the "your call can not be completed as dialed" automated message |
| 16:40.45 | xorAxAx | no, dont let it die on your device, cehteh! |
| 16:40.59 | Jef91 | god damn apt-get update takes a year and a half |
| 16:41.06 | cehteh | apt-get install lynx :) |
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| 16:41.36 | Cy8aer | mtnbkr: sorry I thought it works. What about "p"? |
| 16:41.55 | mtnbkr | Cy8aer: Interesting too though is that contacts that were imported all show (xxx) yyy-zzzz format (including spaces, dashes and commas (whenthere were some) |
| 16:42.02 | Cy8aer | (I do not have a device here) |
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| 16:43.14 | RST38h | moo all |
| 16:43.34 | mtnbkr | Cy8aer: only numerals seem to be accepted. (and the * # and + characters apparently :) but then the phone appears to "dial" the character casing dialing error. |
| 16:43.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | my god' that IR TX LED really needs a pimpup |
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| 16:46.04 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: i bet there are IR leds with the power and packaging like the flash leds :) |
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| 16:46.23 | cehteh | tv-b-gone for the whole block :) |
| 16:46.55 | Cy8aer | mtnbkr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=413531 - maybe this helps. |
| 16:47.44 | siriusnova | im gonna watch Aliens :D |
| 16:48.01 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/ParaLight/High_Power_IR_LED/44686/0 |
| 16:48.09 | cehteh | *brrtzt* :) |
| 16:48.38 | Jef91 | anyone here ever install clisp in scratchbox before? |
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| 16:51.00 | Arkenoi | cehteh: i had an old idea of taking IR laser from cd burner, coupling it with laser pointer optics and attaching to remote control software ;-) |
| 16:51.11 | corecode_ | i wonder... do sdhc cards do wear levelling? |
| 16:51.24 | cehteh | corecode_: yes they do |
| 16:51.27 | corecode_ | wow |
| 16:51.29 | corecode_ | magical |
| 16:51.35 | cehteh | nope must do |
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| 16:51.43 | corecode_ | what about the eMMC in the n900? |
| 16:51.45 | cehteh | with SLC flash you have no chance |
| 16:51.53 | cehteh | er MLC |
| 16:51.58 | Jef91 | LOL. So I just ran ./configure for a package |
| 16:52.11 | Jef91 | and after it finished it read "Now run make - Good Luck" |
| 16:52.26 | corecode_ | i've read that before |
| 16:52.28 | corecode_ | which package? |
| 16:52.29 | cehteh | without proper error correction and wear leveling you are almost impossible to make reliable devices |
| 16:52.37 | corecode_ | cehteh: i figured |
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| 16:53.03 | cehteh | so the cheaper the cells the more advanced the software/firmware has to be |
| 16:53.28 | Jef91 | corecode_ libsigsegv-dev |
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| 16:54.17 | cehteh | while i sometimes wonder if it wont be simpler just to use flash without wear leveling and replace blocks as soon they weared out, just needs well enough error correction |
| 16:54.22 | corecode_ | cehteh: yea, boring though. was thinking of a software that exports a vfat fs transparently from any other given fs |
| 16:54.49 | cehteh | corecode_: qemu has some 'virtual fat driver' |
| 16:54.59 | Jef91 | "Now run make check - Hope it Works" |
| 16:55.01 | Jef91 | thehehe |
| 16:55.06 | cehteh | iirc readonly only .. making that readwrite and a generic project would be dman cool |
| 16:55.21 | corecode_ | cehteh: ah sad, all of this already exists |
| 16:55.37 | cehteh | corecode_: dunno if its pulled back or still exist |
| 16:55.39 | corecode_ | i'm behind times |
| 16:55.49 | corecode_ | AND i'm hungry |
| 16:55.51 | corecode_ | bad combination |
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| 17:00.53 | RST38h | Hehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/mutallab_comment/ |
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| 17:02.53 | pupnik3g | RST38h: the us prohibited armed passengers in the 70s iirc |
| 17:04.02 | RST38h | pupnik: Which, of course, never gonna stop a really determined nutcase |
| 17:04.13 | Shadikka | never gonna... |
| 17:04.17 | Trizt | how can I get hold of build version 2.2009.47-20 or later? |
| 17:04.42 | pupnik3g | great article. check out the interviews with Becky Akers |
| 17:04.48 | VDVsx | Trizt, break into Nokia's office |
| 17:05.28 | Trizt | VDVsx; Thats not likely, don't live in Tampere |
| 17:06.00 | Trizt | has a subscription he can't use |
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| 17:06.04 | VDVsx | Trizt, I heard they've offices also in helsinki and oulu |
| 17:06.17 | Trizt | Those as far away for me |
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| 17:06.21 | VDVsx | :D |
| 17:06.31 | VDVsx | Trizt, 3 sim card ? |
| 17:06.36 | Trizt | nods |
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| 17:08.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: yup. something like that bugger |
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| 17:08.48 | mtnbkr | Cy8aer: funny that if you use the on-screen k/b to enter a phone number, and hit the 'alphabet' button all characters are greyed out except the "P" which allows me to type in a pause. I'll check into bugs.maemo.com and see if there is a bug for this not working on hardware k/b thanks for the link! |
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| 17:10.53 | Dassu | is there a possibility that a kernel install might brick the N900? |
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| 17:11.28 | Cy8aer | mtnbkr: the p pauses for a second I guess? |
| 17:11.43 | wazd | quick question for ingleesh grammar-nazi |
| 17:12.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: I'm pondering whether to use a 10° or a 60° type.Also some more details relating the way N900 is driving that LED were quite nice |
| 17:12.02 | Trizt | are there a flasher for PPC Linux? |
| 17:12.05 | RST38h | wazd: answer: execute! |
| 17:12.15 | wazd | RST38h: oh :( |
| 17:12.17 | VDVsx | - > http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/live-from-nokia-ceo-olli-pekka-kallasvuos-ces-2010-keynote/ |
| 17:12.17 | wazd | :) |
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| 17:13.25 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: yeah .. the driver is the weakest part of the chain |
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| 17:13.59 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: also important is the exact wavelength, some receivers have quite narrow bands |
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| 17:14.16 | cehteh | (or at least have filters in front) |
| 17:14.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: no big deal to find 3V3 and cram a FET and a 100uF inside next to the LED. Anyway... |
| 17:14.47 | cehteh | hehe |
| 17:15.00 | wazd | is there a word that means the effect of dancing lights on the surface underwater? :) |
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| 17:15.28 | wazd | like... refraction or something :) |
| 17:15.41 | RST38h | wazd: I can only think of "flicker" |
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| 17:15.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | not in German |
| 17:16.57 | RST38h | wazd: You would be surprised, but Google answered |
| 17:17.12 | RST38h | wazd: The scientific term is of course diffusion, but you can pick more here: http://www.seafriends.org.nz/phgraph/water.htm |
| 17:17.13 | wazd | RST38h: bah |
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| 17:17.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: how hard would it be to delete/remove the close button for chan tabs on xchat? |
| 17:17.56 | RST38h | Doc: Dunno, probably not hard. But why? |
| 17:18.07 | wazd | RST38h: well, that's more like "diffusion projection" :) |
| 17:18.47 | smhar | greetings |
| 17:18.48 | RST38h | wazd: Depends on whether you are takling about 3D effect or 2D (i.e. light reflecting off the bottom) |
| 17:18.56 | cehteh | RST38h: where you able to reproduce my bug report? |
| 17:19.11 | RST38h | cehteh: Nope. Works for me. |
| 17:19.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | diffusion is to the phenomenon we're talking bout like dust is to mountains |
| 17:19.16 | cehteh | RST38h: fails always for me |
| 17:19.19 | wazd | RST38h: 2D |
| 17:19.35 | cehteh | well not really a fail, but there is something wrong |
| 17:19.36 | RST38h | Doc: That is what people call it, anyway |
| 17:19.41 | wazd | RST38h: http://www.softlist.net/images/large-images/free_underwater_screensaver_desktop_themes___wallpaper-68462.jpeg |
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| 17:20.07 | wazd | RST38h: see all those light waves on the bottom?) They are dancing :) |
| 17:20.08 | cehteh | what was the shortcut for a screen capture? |
| 17:20.13 | RST38h | wazd: Ah |
| 17:20.20 | RST38h | wazd: moire patterns |
| 17:20.27 | Corsac | âso long and thanks for all the fishâ |
| 17:20.32 | MaemohammadAG__ | cehteh ctrl shift p |
| 17:21.08 | ceh900 | thanks |
| 17:21.18 | MohammadAG | np |
| 17:21.18 | smhar | I have a question about n900. I used to have a 9300i communicator and it had a very nice and important feature that I did not find in any other nokia model. In phone book, when saving a contact with all the mobiles, phones, faxes, emails, home and company addresses, notes and other information, you can search for a particular name by almost anything. |
| 17:21.25 | RST38h | cehteh: Have you tried deleting .xchat2? |
| 17:21.28 | ceh900 | lemme try |
| 17:21.34 | Corsac | smhar: doesn't work |
| 17:21.34 | cehteh | RST38h: yes |
| 17:21.37 | smhar | I know you can create groups for this but it is much much easier that way |
| 17:21.39 | Corsac | smhar: there's an open bug for that |
| 17:21.57 | RST38h | cehteh: The I have not a slightest idea. |
| 17:21.58 | cehteh | RST38h: thats certainly some of-by one calculatin somewhere |
| 17:22.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | moiree is quite good |
| 17:22.20 | RST38h | cehteh: copies and pastes just fine here |
| 17:22.20 | cehteh | RST38h: note that i turned indent and delimiter line of |
| 17:22.32 | cehteh | not copy paste, just display error |
| 17:22.38 | smhar | Corsac, you know the bug number? |
| 17:22.42 | cehteh | i make a screenshot to show the effect |
| 17:23.11 | RST38h | ok |
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| 17:23.24 | cehteh | where are screenshots saved? :) |
| 17:23.35 | cehteh | found |
| 17:23.36 | SpeedEvil | IIRC same dir as photos |
| 17:23.38 | RST38h | Oh, shit, Nokia is going the Motorola's path... |
| 17:23.47 | siriusnova | ? |
| 17:23.48 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 17:23.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh? |
| 17:24.00 | |R | ? |
| 17:24.06 | Mousey | wonder if nokia will come out with a better tablet to rival the islate |
| 17:24.13 | Mousey | i've always said the n810 shoulda been bigger |
| 17:24.16 | Mousey | waves fist |
| 17:24.19 | Arkenoi | smhar, dunno why, but s60 missed this feature as well |
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| 17:24.37 | RST38h | Selling more cheaper phones |
| 17:24.41 | cehteh | waah crahed |
| 17:24.46 | cehteh | crashed .. reboot |
| 17:24.56 | RST38h | That is the Motorola's path that led it pretty much to the brink of oblivion |
| 17:25.02 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: they have lots and lots of cheap phones |
| 17:25.19 | Shrike900 | Hi all. I've just ssh'd from my mac to my N900 to run irc. This stuff is so awesome. |
| 17:25.24 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:25.31 | RST38h | Speed: Well they do, but what Motorola has done is relying completely on the volume, slashing margins |
| 17:25.36 | smhar | Arkenoi, I know. I searched the all. is it this difficult to add?! I this it is an important feature for a business model |
| 17:25.41 | RST38h | Speed: Pretty much destroyed itself |
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| 17:26.11 | RST38h | Speed: Ended up as a manufacturer of cheap shitty handsets that most people do not want but get for free with the contract |
| 17:26.29 | |R | RST38h: I don't see nokia going that way voluntarily |
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| 17:26.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: last thing I heard was Nokia doesnMt have a decent balance *because* the lots of cheap phones they sell - they're cheap U know ;-). So Nokia plans to go Internet services |
| 17:26.34 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: what did y9u mean by the above statement. |
| 17:26.34 | |R | they might get forced into that if they screw up though |
| 17:27.43 | Arkenoi | shmar: it is widely requested so i hope it will be added someday |
| 17:28.11 | RST38h | Doc: Yea. Right. Internet Services. |
| 17:28.24 | RST38h | Going to compete with Apple and Google, right? :) |
| 17:28.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup :-S |
| 17:29.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | itMs called OVI ;-D |
| 17:29.24 | cehteh | ehm .. now .. how do i get the screenshots to a server ... why doesnt ovi sharing not work for me? .. fsck |
| 17:29.24 | RST38h | Won't it be easier to just disband the company right away? |
| 17:31.33 | smhar | Arkenoi, good, at least I know now I am not alone in this :-) |
| 17:31.39 | SpeedEvil | rst why '(05:23:38 PM) RST38h: Oh, shit, Nokia is going the Motorola's path...' tho? |
| 17:31.41 | wazd | yaaaarrr! My brain's exploding :( |
| 17:34.14 | Corsac | smhar: b.m.o is down again so no I can't really tell you :/ |
| 17:36.27 | cehteh | RST38h: http://lumiera.org/Screenshot-20100108-182743.png http://lumiera.org/Screenshot-20100108-182750.png |
| 17:36.41 | cehteh | its a quiz: do you see the difference? :) |
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| 17:37.42 | xorAxAx | a space character, cehteh |
| 17:37.59 | cehteh | its not a space character but rather some text rendering bug |
| 17:38.15 | smhar | btw, how do you pronounce maemo |
| 17:38.23 | Hukka | "mömmö" |
| 17:38.45 | xorAxAx | not very finnish ... |
| 17:38.51 | xorAxAx | why does ae sound like ö? |
| 17:39.00 | smhar | Arkenoi, bmo is working |
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| 17:40.45 | Corsac | maémo |
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| 17:41.07 | cehteh | you better ask some finnish guys for the pronuncation |
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| 17:41.28 | samppa | hehe mömmö :D |
| 17:41.29 | adeus | ae is ä |
| 17:41.44 | adeus | oe ö |
| 17:41.44 | xorAxAx | there is no diarhesis on the e,Corsac |
| 17:41.56 | Laiska | Mömmö :D |
| 17:42.07 | Laiska | gotta remember that |
| 17:42.08 | Meizirkki | älämölö |
| 17:42.09 | xorAxAx | hmm, does it mean vagina? :) |
| 17:42.12 | samppa | :) |
| 17:42.14 | Wolfie | i pronounce it like "mae-moh" |
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| 17:42.23 | Laiska | Wolfie: same here.. |
| 17:42.30 | Wolfie | i mean "mae-moe" |
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| 17:43.01 | zash | Wolfie: malmö? |
| 17:43.07 | xorAxAx | ceh900: hail mömmö |
| 17:43.14 | Meizirkki | älämölö is "loud bad noise" |
| 17:43.23 | Wolfie | zash: nope, that's a city |
| 17:43.28 | zash | :D |
| 17:43.46 | xorAxAx | so, two different versions |
| 17:43.56 | xorAxAx | who is working for nokia here? |
| 17:44.29 | pupnik_ | many of us ;) |
| 17:44.30 | Corsac | maemoo |
| 17:44.32 | cehteh | better ask "who is working for nokia marketing here" ... |
| 17:44.33 | adeus | no one dares to admit that |
| 17:44.53 | pupnik_ | i love nokia! |
| 17:45.03 | Trizt | hates Nokia Shop |
| 17:45.04 | cehteh | but on the other hand i think no one working for nokia has the courage to join this channel :) |
| 17:45.06 | adeus | nokia is a city |
| 17:45.08 | adeus | near tampere |
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| 17:45.14 | cehteh | for nokia marketing |
| 17:45.16 | cehteh | i mean |
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| 17:45.23 | Trizt | adeus; don't forget that it smells badly in Nokia |
| 17:45.26 | pupnik_ | they make devices that run linux. that is GOOD |
| 17:45.53 | cehteh | pupnik_: devices running linux is not per-se good |
| 17:45.56 | lardman | evening |
| 17:46.14 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: yes it is. |
| 17:46.31 | cehteh | not if its a closed propietary ripoff |
| 17:46.40 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: non-open devices aren't as good - but even they tend to mean at least some kernel support |
| 17:46.59 | smhar | Arkenoi, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5477 , the bug title/summary doesn't tell that but the comments do |
| 17:47.28 | cehteh | nah .. i dont want someone not respecting the open source licenses and then force me to hack into the device i payed for even if thats possible |
| 17:48.10 | SpeedEvil | that's a seperate issue, and there are clear paths to follow in that case. |
| 17:48.20 | simula_ | some company creating linux devices invests in salaries of folks savvy in linux... which i would say is good. doesn't mean i'm going to buy the device :) |
| 17:48.26 | SpeedEvil | hands cehteh his pitchfork and burning torch. |
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| 17:48.44 | simula_ | i personally wouldn't buy a tivo, but i'm glad they build their platform on linux |
| 17:48.45 | Jef91 | Ok, now this source code is irking me |
| 17:48.50 | Jef91 | When I compile it just using make |
| 17:48.54 | Jef91 | it compiles with out issue |
| 17:49.07 | Jef91 | but when I try to compile it to deb it fails |
| 17:49.40 | adeus | rules file fails |
| 17:50.20 | Hexagoon | Jef: What's the output? |
| 17:50.55 | Jef91 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/trouble-compiling-abiword-from-source-780714/ |
| 17:51.29 | Jef91 | the package he is suggesting I install I already have installed... So it must just function different under Maemo than it does on Ubuntu/Debian |
| 17:52.12 | andre__ | Jef91: we! want! output! -> pastebin.org |
| 17:52.25 | Jef91 | output is posted at the url I just linked to |
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| 17:53.19 | andre__ | ah. sorry |
| 17:53.54 | andre__ | Jef91, but that's only one line? |
| 17:54.22 | andre__ | urr, screenshot output?! if you past text as text instead of pictures, it can be used by search engines ;-) |
| 17:54.27 | andre__ | s/past/paste |
| 17:54.36 | Jef91 | andre__ I was using putty to ssh |
| 17:54.40 | Jef91 | it does not have copy/paste |
| 17:54.57 | Jef91 | thus the one line typed followed by a screen shot |
| 17:55.01 | andre__ | so which libgsf version is installed/ |
| 17:55.08 | Jef91 | I'm not a totally nooby ;) |
| 17:55.13 | Jef91 | Umm *checks* |
| 17:55.17 | andre__ | and which one is required by what you want to install (configure.in or .ac)? |
| 17:55.24 | pupnik_ | Jef91: you are on the road to awesomeness |
| 17:55.47 | andre__ | I assume that maemo has a way older version of libgsf-devel that does not offer this gsf-*-gio.h yet |
| 17:56.02 | xorAxAx | ah, vgb is only in armel |
| 17:56.14 | Jef91 | andre__ ahh that makes sense, how do I check the version of a package I have installed? |
| 17:56.41 | Jef91 | pupnik - thats if I ever get anywhere haha. I'm trying to port 3 programs and they are all hitting road blocks at various points xD |
| 17:57.27 | andre__ | Jef91: dpkg -l packagename |
| 17:57.49 | andre__ | or "dpkg -l | grep gsf" might cover it better |
| 17:58.22 | adeus | or apt-cache policy |
| 17:58.41 | Jef91 | Version 1.14.11-1 |
| 18:01.38 | Jef91 | My netbook actually gets longer battery use life than my n900 does >.< |
| 18:01.47 | andre__ | Jef91, of what? |
| 18:01.50 | andre__ | please e exact... |
| 18:01.53 | Trizt | anyone know when next firmware are expected to be released? would know how long it takes before having a phone with which one can call |
| 18:01.55 | RST38h | Jef: What is the weight? |
| 18:02.03 | andre__ | Trizt, bug ID? |
| 18:02.14 | andre__ | Trizt, Nokia does not announce firmware release dates in advance. |
| 18:02.15 | Trizt | w8 |
| 18:02.27 | Jef91 | andre__ libgsf-1-dev |
| 18:02.58 | andre__ | Jef91, and you try to compile which tarball from where? |
| 18:03.21 | Jef91 | Abiword 2.8.1 from abisource.com |
| 18:03.53 | Trizt | andre__; #5315 |
| 18:04.31 | greenfly | my n900 battery life dramatically improved when I stopped being logged in to aim and skype the whole time |
| 18:04.43 | greenfly | something about those plugins must have polled their respective servers a lot |
| 18:04.44 | andre__ | Trizt: uhm, that ugly one. yeah, I can understand :-/ |
| 18:05.03 | Jef91 | greenfly: Mine N900 gets around 6 hours of use |
| 18:05.09 | Jef91 | My netbook gets around 8 |
| 18:05.13 | Trizt | had been good if the Nokia marketing had been able to tell that |
| 18:05.24 | andre__ | Trizt: so in configure.ac or configure.in, is there a version check for gsf? |
| 18:05.34 | matthew- | greenfly: same |
| 18:05.40 | matthew- | switch wifi/3g off |
| 18:05.52 | pupnik_ | as soon as i see configure.ac or configure.in, my blood pressure rises |
| 18:05.53 | matthew- | Jef91: my laptop gets 6-8h of use |
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| 18:06.04 | Trizt | andre__; I think you ment Jef91 |
| 18:06.11 | Jef91 | I saw :) |
| 18:06.16 | andre__ | Trizt, oops, true :) |
| 18:06.18 | Jef91 | Checking now andre__ |
| 18:06.21 | RST38h | Oh yesssssss |
| 18:06.22 | andre__ | too many conversations at the same time :) |
| 18:06.28 | RST38h | Oh gooooooooood |
| 18:06.29 | greenfly | Jef91: I get basically a day's minimal->medium use |
| 18:06.31 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/500x_ion_itype_iphone_full-sized_keyboard-540x375.jpg |
| 18:06.34 | RST38h | Hehehehe |
| 18:06.49 | greenfly | moderate use I get the majority of a day, let's say 14-16 hrs |
| 18:07.04 | pupnik_ | lol |
| 18:07.07 | greenfly | I used to get maybe 6 hrs |
| 18:07.20 | RST38h | But you won't argue you would like that for N900? ;) |
| 18:07.21 | greenfly | experimented and tracked it down to those telepathy plugins |
| 18:07.23 | andre__ | greenfly, there's https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 but that one is quite... unhelpful |
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| 18:07.29 | pupnik_ | i just chatted irssi and kept map application open. got 5 hours on n900. i thought that was pretty good |
| 18:07.40 | andre__ | greenfly, feel free to comment though by adding your findings |
| 18:07.43 | cehteh | RST38h: better a bluetooth set |
| 18:07.51 | greenfly | andre__: ok |
| 18:07.54 | RST38h | cehteh: I am not sure if this one is bt or not |
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| 18:08.03 | cehteh | well i mean independent |
| 18:08.31 | Jef91 | andre__ I don't see one listed there no |
| 18:08.46 | cehteh | or x2x and xscreen forwarding over wlan like i sometimes do with the laptop |
| 18:08.55 | pupnik_ | how is it possible for a little device to hold a connection constantly with towers far away... |
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| 18:09.12 | Jef91 | andre__ No - none listed |
| 18:09.20 | Jef91 | pupnik - magix |
| 18:09.25 | cehteh | pupnik_: simply because connections are not constat |
| 18:09.25 | Jef91 | pupnik - magik* |
| 18:09.33 | pupnik_ | i had irssi open the whole time |
| 18:09.44 | cehteh | well 3g if you use data is, but then you see how sloppy it is |
| 18:09.57 | pupnik_ | seemed pretty constant to me |
| 18:10.09 | Jef91 | What 3g speeds do you all see on the N900? |
| 18:10.23 | Jef91 | I have AT&T atm and the 2.5g is sooo slow. I'm wondering if it is worth changing |
| 18:10.34 | pupnik_ | i was surfing like at home |
| 18:10.36 | cehteh | i have only gsm on anyways |
| 18:10.43 | pupnik_ | standing in line shopping |
| 18:10.51 | pupnik_ | people staring |
| 18:11.09 | andre__ | Jef91, sounds like a bug |
| 18:11.30 | Caesium | pupnik_: seriously? nobody seems to give two shits when I get my N900 out in the checkout queue :) |
| 18:11.41 | Caesium | are you in a particularly deprived area where nobody has a phone? ;) |
| 18:12.18 | Jef91 | andre__ Same thing happens under the lastest 3 source downloads for me |
| 18:12.25 | pupnik_ | germany. maybe it's the keyboard and rattling off text and browsing. just not common here. |
| 18:13.05 | pupnik_ | i've never seen anyone do it ever |
| 18:13.21 | cehteh | i wish the phone could report how much power it consumes in any state |
| 18:13.27 | Caesium | I used to use E90 + putty + irssi in the checkout queue, but it was so slow and cumbersome, by the time I got to my irssi I was almost at the front of the queue :P |
| 18:13.30 | t_s_o | big bird wallpaper preloaded on N900? |
| 18:13.34 | Caesium | with N900 it feels so much easier and slicker |
| 18:13.59 | pupnik_ | anybody can make a new back cover to allow two batteries in device? |
| 18:14.08 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: yes |
| 18:14.15 | Caesium | or one bigger battery would be nice |
| 18:14.20 | Caesium | don't mind it being a bit thicker :) |
| 18:14.32 | Jef91 | Oh yea - cause the N900 isn't big enough >.< |
| 18:14.32 | pupnik_ | or just carry a spare |
| 18:14.43 | Caesium | Jef91: nobody would force you to use it :) |
| 18:14.44 | SpeedEvil | shapeways.com |
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| 18:14.48 | xorAxAx | just take a second battery, pupnik_ |
| 18:14.48 | pupnik_ | 2 batteries = 10 hours under heavy use |
| 18:14.53 | Caesium | switch off the N900?! :/ |
| 18:14.53 | pupnik_ | yep |
| 18:14.55 | t_s_o | i am surprised nokia have not made a phone with hotswap battery ability |
| 18:14.56 | Caesium | but but, my uptime ;p |
| 18:14.56 | smhar | is there an advanced calculator for n900 |
| 18:15.02 | pupnik_ | yes! |
| 18:15.09 | cehteh | external battery case to dock to the usb port |
| 18:15.16 | Jef91 | smhar: There is a TI85 emulator |
| 18:15.18 | pupnik_ | nah that is ugly cehteh |
| 18:15.21 | SpeedEvil | smhar: ti42 something is on hte repos\ |
| 18:15.34 | Jef91 | smhar I am currently working on porting Maxima, but odds are that is going to be another week or so |
| 18:15.36 | t_s_o | hell, i am surprised so few "mobile" products do not feature hot swap |
| 18:15.44 | cehteh | pupnik_: but limitless ... you can hook a car lead accu to it :) |
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| 18:16.09 | Jef91 | Wait - if I plug my N900 in, can I swap the battery without it going off? |
| 18:16.19 | t_s_o | ugh, double negative kicks in, sorry about that... |
| 18:16.19 | cehteh | Jef91: no |
| 18:16.22 | SpeedEvil | Jef91: no |
| 18:16.29 | Jef91 | Thats a damn shame. |
| 18:16.29 | arachnist | t_s_o: just tried it. no |
| 18:16.36 | |R | well mugen may be making a back cover and http://www.maisondugsm.com/a/produit/produit/418437/batterie_haute_capacite_3000_mah_lithium_ion_cache_batterie_couleur_noir_pour_nokia_n900.html this poped up yesterday on the forum |
| 18:16.36 | flux | that has always annoyed me about nokia phones. can't work without battery. |
| 18:16.37 | arachnist | N900 is not a thinkpad |
| 18:16.55 | arachnist | though it is black, like most of them |
| 18:16.58 | Jef91 | arachnist - well it should be |
| 18:17.22 | cehteh | i would opt for a extension slot, like a usb stick or cf card where one can exchange, vibrator, extra battery, better gps, ... |
| 18:17.22 | smhar | Jef91, I am not in a hurry, I got myself N97 before N900 was announced, and it will be at least a couple of months before I get one. I am also waiting for them to release one with an arabic keyboard |
| 18:18.02 | Jef91 | smhar very good. I should have it up and running by then thehehe. Maxima is very nice, almost as good as Maple IMO |
| 18:18.36 | blizzow | smhar: I had the N97 and disliked it a lot. I complained to Nokia enough that they offered me an N900 as a replacement for the N97. It's the best move I ever made. |
| 18:18.41 | flux | |r, I really hope they would also have a better stand in the new back cover, but I guess it's not likely |
| 18:18.51 | blizzow | Do yourself a favor and drop the n97 under the sea. |
| 18:19.19 | arachnist | Jef91: well, getting a N900-alike phone, but with a matte screen and a red nipple right next to the screen would be interesting |
| 18:20.00 | Jef91 | Thehehe, what I would love is something with the Nexus One specs that ran on Maemo |
| 18:20.32 | arachnist | nexus one is a no-go for me. it lacks a hardware keyboard |
| 18:20.43 | Jef91 | arachnist Ditto. |
| 18:20.45 | arachnist | and the motorola droid/milestone lacks a decent hardware keyboard |
| 18:20.49 | Jef91 | I just like the half gig of RAM |
| 18:20.58 | Jef91 | and 1ghz processor |
| 18:21.06 | Jef91 | But it lacks a keyboard and internal storage |
| 18:21.16 | |R | flux: we'll see how it integrates :/ |
| 18:21.18 | arachnist | Jef91: my router has 512MB of ram and 1.2GHz arm cpu |
| 18:21.29 | arachnist | Jef91: and yet, the cpu is slower than the one in N900 |
| 18:21.44 | Jef91 | arachnist: My router is a 2wire :P |
| 18:21.48 | arachnist | (the arm in my router is armv5tejl) |
| 18:21.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | you got N900. What more do you need? |
| 18:22.18 | Jef91 | DocScrutinizer51 - an app store and a firmware update? |
| 18:22.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | app store?? eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek |
| 18:23.14 | arachnist | app store is a must-have to make the phone mainstream |
| 18:23.18 | pupnik | any of us could set up an app store |
| 18:23.19 | Jef91 | DocScrutinizer51 - Even though I would not use it, in order to gain market it needs an App Store |
| 18:23.26 | Jef91 | people expect it |
| 18:23.30 | arachnist | exactly |
| 18:23.35 | Jef91 | And once they come for the app store |
| 18:23.40 | Jef91 | they will stay for the free software |
| 18:23.47 | Jef91 | and eventually forget about paying for stupid shit |
| 18:23.54 | arachnist | though the app store available on winmo phones is a fail |
| 18:24.08 | Jef91 | arachnist - key word there is win-mobile |
| 18:24.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | so let's hope ovi never finishes appstore. I don't want a mainstream phone ;-P |
| 18:24.26 | Jef91 | arachnist Its one of the worst OSes out there |
| 18:24.31 | blizzow | I imagine the successor to the N900 will sport a capacitive screen 1GB RAM, similar keyboard, little better camera, >1Ghz cpu, and maybe a better battery. |
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| 18:24.54 | arachnist | blizzow: capacitive? i actually like the n900 for having a resistive screens |
| 18:25.11 | arachnist | in winter, temperatures here actually drop well below 0C |
| 18:25.14 | Meizirkki | i bet N900 successor will have PowerVR SGX |
| 18:25.17 | Jef91 | blizzow Yea, resistive touch screen is my only complaint about the n900 |
| 18:25.27 | glass_ | yeah -26 |
| 18:25.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | arachnist: +1 for r-ts |
| 18:25.35 | glass_ | and snowing icy crap |
| 18:25.43 | glass_ | resistive took it ok.. |
| 18:25.48 | arachnist | and being able to use your phone in hand gloves is actually an advantage |
| 18:26.07 | angasuleWork | hi :-) can anyone recommend a map thingie that uses OSM data, not the rendered tiles? |
| 18:26.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | using a pinpoint stylus is the killer advantage of r-ts |
| 18:26.42 | arachnist | well |
| 18:26.58 | arachnist | the only use for a stylus for me, is to get the back cover off |
| 18:27.03 | blizzow | If I hand my girlfriend my phone, she can't figure it out because she doesn't like to press the screen. I'm mixed about capacitive. I like to use less pressure myself, and would like to see multitouch capabilities too. But I also use it in cold weather and with gloves. |
| 18:27.22 | RST38h | glass: apparently, local metrosexuals are forced to operate iPhones with their noses in winter =) |
| 18:27.28 | arachnist | blizzow: don't worry. nokia has a patent on resistive multitouch |
| 18:27.41 | glass_ | RST38h: it wont work if snot gets on it |
| 18:27.45 | blizzow | That would be cool to see. |
| 18:27.49 | angasuleWork | i like the unscratchability of capacitibe, but stylus++ |
| 18:27.59 | RST38h | glass: At those temperatures, the snot is already solid. |
| 18:28.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | mt is no genuine property of c-ts |
| 18:28.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | can be done on r-ts as well |
| 18:28.28 | RST38h | glass: Not sure what they do to avoid salivating on theirsss preciousss though |
| 18:28.33 | Jef91 | takes a break from trying to compile before he chucks his netbook off the desk at work |
| 18:28.34 | arachnist | DocScrutinizer51: not in an easy manner |
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| 18:28.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes. in an easy manner |
| 18:28.50 | blizzow | Has a successor to the N900 been announced yet? |
| 18:28.58 | RST38h | blizzow: Yes |
| 18:29.07 | blizzow | What is it? |
| 18:29.09 | RST38h | blizzow: it's named T2000 |
| 18:29.10 | angasuleWork | jef91: your work computer is a netbook? |
| 18:29.24 | zaheer_ | successor is nokia 2110 |
| 18:29.38 | Jef91 | I work at a very boring deskjob, bring my netbook with to do personal work on during down time. |
| 18:29.48 | angasuleWork | RST38h: let me guess, liquid metal? |
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| 18:29.53 | blizzow | RST38h: Will it terminate any Iphones? |
| 18:29.57 | RST38h | angasule: and lasers |
| 18:30.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | goes search for his 16y old 2110 |
| 18:30.28 | blizzow | The 2110 is a sexy beast. |
| 18:30.33 | arachnist | huh |
| 18:31.52 | Myrtti | friggin lasers! |
| 18:31.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_2110 |
| 18:32.26 | RST38h | and shaped as hello kitty |
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| 18:33.35 | SpeedEvil | \i had the quite similar http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews1822.html |
| 18:33.42 | SpeedEvil | philips c12 |
| 18:33.53 | Jef91 | N900 takes awhile to extract a 350meg archive |
| 18:34.18 | adeus | 4 out of 5 from 0 ratings |
| 18:34.20 | adeus | wow! |
| 18:34.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | Jef91: Me too ;-) |
| 18:34.22 | adeus | :) |
| 18:34.30 | blizzow | I don't see anything about Nokia announcing new hardware during their keynote. Looks like they spent most of their time talking about apps/software for 3rd world nations and paying for stuff. |
| 18:35.14 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer51, actually http://www.rundel.net/palmtop/datasheets/hp700lx.htm |
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| 18:36.21 | angasuleWork | so... OSM map? any ideas :-D |
| 18:36.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | wow that one is cuuuute ;-D |
| 18:36.59 | Jef91 | Anyone be able to give me a hand figuring out how to get clisp installed on the maemo sdk? - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/installing-clisp-from-source-780874/#post3819029 |
| 18:37.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | kinda resembles those iridium phones of moto roller |
| 18:43.57 | RST38h | konttori: Here? |
| 18:43.58 | arachnist | btw |
| 18:43.58 | arachnist | has the nintendo/emulators issue been resolved? |
| 18:43.59 | Jef91 | arachnist - I think so. |
| 18:43.59 | arachnist | i see some emulators in the repos |
| 18:43.59 | Jef91 | is playing his Pokemon on the n900 right now |
| 18:44.00 | arachnist | Jef91: which ones? red/green/crystal/whatever? |
| 18:44.00 | Jef91 | Crystal. I do not recognize that the market continued after said version |
| 18:44.00 | pupnik | the nice thing about emulators is they never can handle current systems |
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| 18:44.04 | arachnist | Jef91: there were some versions after that. at least one for the DS |
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| 18:44.23 | Jef91 | arachnist - Yea and they all sucked. Too many strange pokemon |
| 18:44.36 | Jef91 | They stopped making sense after 251, and even some of the last 100 where a stretch |
| 18:44.50 | arachnist | yeah |
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| 18:45.10 | tank-man | re: current systems, not true, I have heard of a wii emulator on the pc |
| 18:45.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | considers to give dosbox plus Elite (Braben) a try on N900 |
| 18:45.30 | pupnik | exception proves the rule |
| 18:45.48 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer51, never owned one, my first communicator was 9000i in 1998, so i missed being an early adopter about 3 years (the 1996 date is probably wrong, first 700lx are circa 1995 and fall 1996 is when 9000 was introduced) |
| 18:47.24 | frals | groar, why cant people read through a thread if its only 20 posts in it *curses* |
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| 18:47.45 | Jef91 | frals Because anything longer than a page is too much |
| 18:48.07 | frals | yeah obviously >_< |
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| 18:48.07 | arachnist | hmm |
| 18:48.15 | LuciusMare | great, the new flaslight applet is borken |
| 18:48.19 | pobega | what issue is that? |
| 18:48.24 | arachnist | i remember some old nokia communicators being based on windows CE |
| 18:48.33 | arachnist | (or at least, they looked so) |
| 18:48.55 | flux | wasn't it something like GEM? |
| 18:50.09 | pobega | Jef91: I'm playing Gold right now :D I couldn't get a timepatched Crystal. |
| 18:50.12 | LuciusMare | when i try to turn it on, it flashes and turns off, and says unable to turn on flashlight. when i turn on camera app,it also flashes briefly,then,after i close it the flaslight applet works for 2 seconds,then crashes again. |
| 18:50.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: what's broken? |
| 18:51.13 | LuciusMare | flashlight applet |
| 18:51.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: except the fact it nukes all nonstd systray gadgets and you need to reboot to recover |
| 18:51.24 | arachnist | hmm |
| 18:51.34 | arachnist | installing scim-anthy seems to take quite a bit time |
| 18:51.35 | LuciusMare | uh huh |
| 18:51.37 | arachnist | hope it won't fail |
| 18:51.55 | LuciusMare | i dont want to reboot! |
| 18:51.58 | LuciusMare | :/ |
| 18:52.03 | Jef91 | haha very good pobega - what do you mean timepatched? |
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| 18:53.14 | arachnist | hmm. "mkworddic -f /etc/anthy/dict.args" |
| 18:53.28 | arachnist | it could come shipped with this dictionary generated |
| 18:53.28 | johnq_ | the icon for my application is only displayed for the shortcut on the desktop but not in the list of applications. what can be the reason for that? |
| 18:53.45 | johnq_ | what are the requirements for these icons? |
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| 18:54.50 | Jef91 | is going to kill the N900 repos |
| 18:54.57 | n900user | hi fennec doesent work on my n900. installed it over the repo,but no luck |
| 18:55.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | johnq_: something similar to corresponding mimetype or sth? |
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| 18:57.09 | Jef91 | n900user also does not work me |
| 18:57.40 | Jef91 | thats so odd |
| 18:57.54 | Jef91 | that certain features of my n900 refuse to get online via my wlan |
| 18:57.58 | Jef91 | but work fine via the 2.5g |
| 18:58.06 | AWBEN | hi all |
| 18:58.30 | arachnist | Jef91: which ones? |
| 18:58.38 | johnq_ | DocScrutinizer51: mimetype correspoding to what? |
| 18:58.48 | Jef91 | apt-get, OMWeather, and AP News |
| 18:58.55 | Jef91 | Pidgin and my browser work fine however |
| 18:59.01 | AWBEN | only for information. an access with the n900 on a nfs server is possible.... it works |
| 18:59.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | johnq_: no idea. just wild guessing |
| 18:59.25 | ml-N900 | Jef91 try changing up the wifi power save settings |
| 18:59.30 | johnq_ | ok ;-) |
| 19:00.06 | Jef91 | ml-N900 where is that located? |
| 19:00.42 | ml-N900 | under the internet connections, in the wifi config for the specific connection |
| 19:00.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | johnq_: on illume (on OM Freerunner) the icons need a proper set of 'cathegory: foo,bar,...' |
| 19:01.16 | johnq_ | ah, got it |
| 19:01.37 | johnq_ | Icon: does not expect a filename (or path) but only the name of some icon without path or extension |
| 19:01.41 | pobega | Jef91: because VGB doesn't support the GSC clock (from what I can tell) |
| 19:02.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | johnq_: :-) |
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| 19:06.58 | pierlux | how much time does it take for a new package uploaded to maemo-extra-devel to be in maemo-extra-devel ? |
| 19:07.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | pierlux: see backscroll for comment of X-Fade |
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| 19:09.09 | Jef91 | Is there a g++ package for the n900? |
| 19:09.19 | pierlux | DocScrutinizer51, I have to backscroll how long? I am not seeing him in todays scroll |
| 19:11.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | 152549 <X-Fade> frals: Normally it should be there quite soon, but not at the moment. |
| 19:12.26 | pierlux | ah because an update to an existing package I did 2 days ago was instant |
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| 19:19.59 | simula_ | Jef91... yes |
| 19:20.13 | simula_ | Jef91, it's in one of the other repos though |
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| 19:20.35 | Jef91 | any idea which one? |
| 19:20.42 | Jef91 | was about to recompile it himself |
| 19:21.45 | simula_ | look at this thread Jef91: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-34412.html |
| 19:22.04 | Jef91 | is it optifyed? |
| 19:22.17 | simula_ | not when i last snagged it |
| 19:22.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Has anyone ported linux to the N900 yet? |
| 19:22.20 | simula_ | :/ |
| 19:22.20 | ShadowJK | it would be in the armel sdk repo.. but it's not really designed for use on n900, and it'll eat space on rootfs of course.. |
| 19:23.02 | simula_ | i wasn't able to compile the qt sdk with it though :P |
| 19:23.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | are new versions of apps that are freshly optified care about 'optifying the past' means clean rootfs? |
| 19:23.32 | angasulework | gadgetoid_mbp, maemo *is* linux |
| 19:23.33 | simula_ | or at least, i wasn't able to in the time i gave myself :) |
| 19:24.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Lies angasulework, linix is all black and white, text and stuff.. maemo has too many graphics |
| 19:24.16 | ifreq | lol |
| 19:24.21 | angasulework | oh, right hehe |
| 19:24.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/care/taking care/ |
| 19:24.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I keep trying to turn my N900 on using the lock slider, my poor brain |
| 19:25.12 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Did the same with my N810... and panicked when it didn't turn on |
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| 19:26.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | Gadgetoid_mbp: I seem to never have shut down my N810 for 2 years now :-P I feel with you nevertheless |
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| 19:27.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I wonder if there's a patch for owning a PSP and Dingoo |
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| 19:28.40 | angasulework | ok, installing freeciv, good thing there seems to be no nethack package |
| 19:29.32 | Anidel | anyone working on porting Lucidor(.org) to Maemo ? |
| 19:29.45 | Jef91 | When I am viewing a webpage on my n900 |
| 19:29.52 | Jef91 | is there a way I can highlight text on the page? |
| 19:30.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | Jef91: slide from left into scree |
| 19:30.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | hit cursor symbol t cross it out |
| 19:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | angasulework, Vulture's Eye should be in Extras. |
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| 19:32.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | Jef91: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures |
| 19:32.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | Swipe finger from the left of the screen (outside of screen), ... |
| 19:35.59 | angasulework | generalantilles, is that gui only? |
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| 19:39.35 | Jef91 | thanks Doc* |
| 19:40.26 | Andy80 | since #pymaemo seems quite dead... is here anyone that can help me with a simple python-gtk problem? |
| 19:41.45 | lizardo | Andy80: shoot :) someone will try to help if possible |
| 19:42.11 | lizardo | Andy80: either #pymaemo or #maemo is ok for Python discussion IMHO |
| 19:42.43 | adeus | in any case, start with the question |
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| 19:42.48 | adeus | not with a metaquestion |
| 19:46.40 | Flandry | has anyone built poppler with qt support? |
| 19:46.57 | luke-jr | I probably have. but you mean for Maemo? |
| 19:47.07 | Flandry | yeah |
| 19:48.25 | andre__ | Trizt, Re Bug 5315: Feel free to vote for http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/ |
| 19:48.35 | Andy80 | oh... about Qt... is there any problem with the repository for N900? |
| 19:48.53 | Andy80 | I was trying to install an application yesterday (Google Latitude, available in extras-devel) |
| 19:49.04 | Andy80 | but it bothered about missing qt 4.5... |
| 19:49.29 | andre__ | Trizt, see comment 47. |
| 19:51.45 | frals | anyone else noticed how the n900 becomes really sluggish when its somewhat cold? |
| 19:51.55 | frals | like, around -15C |
| 19:52.02 | sulx | yes |
| 19:52.14 | sulx | it's not unusual |
| 19:52.17 | angasulework | why is that? |
| 19:52.21 | SpeedEvil | I've only used it at ~6C ambient for long perionds. |
| 19:52.23 | sulx | it's just the screen |
| 19:52.29 | arachnist | http://twitpic.com/wwla8 <| lol (might be offensive: middle-finger gesture) |
| 19:52.36 | angasulework | oh |
| 19:52.45 | Andy80 | frals: -15C :P ???? |
| 19:52.50 | angasulework | LCDs suck in general |
| 19:53.14 | angasulework | andy: what's so odd? |
| 19:53.21 | frals | yeah, almost got a decent winter here in stockholm ;) |
| 19:53.24 | arachnist | frals: didn't notice it at around -10C here |
| 19:53.26 | Andy80 | angasulework: it's so cold :D |
| 19:53.28 | sulx | -15 is nothing |
| 19:53.52 | sulx | under -30 here today |
| 19:53.56 | angasulework | humidity matterss |
| 19:53.57 | Andy80 | we have 10C° here now (Tuscany, Italy) |
| 19:54.06 | RST38h | glares at And80 |
| 19:54.15 | adeus | -22C right now |
| 19:54.22 | arachnist | we had -20C here few weeks ago |
| 19:54.26 | angasulework | ah, ciao :D We had 29 here today |
| 19:54.27 | arachnist | (warsaw, poland) |
| 19:54.43 | angasulework | I'm in buenos aires |
| 19:54.47 | SpeedEvil | been -22C today in scotland |
| 19:55.00 | sulx | 200km from here it topped o -37 |
| 19:55.11 | adeus | and they're spooked |
| 19:55.23 | adeus | we are just mildly annoyed |
| 19:55.24 | konttori | If anybody is interested in how n900 behaves in cold, just put it to freezer for half and hour, take it out and test how it works. Especially keyboard starts to be sluggish from -15 onwards. |
| 19:55.27 | SpeedEvil | though -6 only here |
| 19:55.43 | sulx | adeus: might even need to change shorts to something longer |
| 19:55.48 | SpeedEvil | konttori: how ar eyou thinking keyboard? |
| 19:55.53 | SpeedEvil | konttori |
| 19:55.56 | angasulework | konttori, my freezer has a water leak :-P |
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| 19:56.11 | SpeedEvil | \i would expect the vibrator and lcd to slow down at that temp |
| 19:56.29 | Sargun | Is there any way to prevent my n900 from connecting to GPRS/EDGE/GSM data? |
| 19:56.33 | SpeedEvil | so unless you're listening to the keyclick, you will have a false impression |
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| 19:56.41 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: set it to always ask |
| 19:56.42 | adeus | if the scotts change their kilts to something warmer, won't the sheep then hear them coming? :) |
| 19:56.49 | RST38h | konttori: the cpu self heats to about 37C |
| 19:56.52 | konttori | Well, I have been texting often while waiting for the tram, or while walking to the office. So, kb usage starts to feel quite different from -15 on |
| 19:56.55 | RST38h | konttori: so it is not that bad |
| 19:57.10 | SpeedEvil | konttori: fingers freezing? |
| 19:57.23 | RST38h | konttori: Got a dev question though |
| 19:57.30 | adeus | I think I'll go to a sauna to warm up |
| 19:57.40 | RST38h | konttori: Is hw scaling (i.e. hildon_actor) supposed to work in PR1.0? |
| 19:57.59 | angasulework | how's stockholm job-wise? I'm thinking of moving northwards |
| 19:58.30 | Sargun | Can the N900 do USB host mode, and if so, how? |
| 19:58.34 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 19:58.42 | angasulework | I'll probably go to the Netherlands |
| 19:58.42 | konttori | wow, I really like this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=427214&postcount=92 |
| 19:58.42 | SpeedEvil | definately not unfortunately. |
| 19:58.53 | SpeedEvil | The phy chip is not wired correctly for it. |
| 19:59.08 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_isp1707 |
| 19:59.14 | Arkenoi | so, koffice seems to be vapourware still? anyone aware about any progress there? |
| 19:59.56 | angasulework | koffice2 formaemo? |
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| 20:02.00 | pupnik | i think ppl screaming for portrait are really strange |
| 20:03.01 | pupnik | landscape is just more pratical |
| 20:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, indeed. |
| 20:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, it's probably a function of what you're used to, though. |
| 20:03.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sargun: so stick with FR for that... ;-) |
| 20:03.41 | pupnik | yes |
| 20:03.42 | jhford | what is an erase block in terms of mtd and flash storage? |
| 20:03.45 | GeneralAntilles | We've been using Maemo since forever, so we're used to landscape. |
| 20:03.50 | Sargun | DocScrutinizer51, haha |
| 20:04.03 | Sargun | DocScrutinizer51, I thought we talked about how mine died |
| 20:04.03 | pupnik | been using *computers* for forever |
| 20:04.03 | jhford | portrait is a more natural orientation for single handed use |
| 20:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | They've been using useless crappy platforms for forever, so they're used to portrait. ;) |
| 20:04.24 | jhford | but maemo feels weird portrait as it is more of a computer than a phone |
| 20:04.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sargun: seems I forgot :-( |
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| 20:04.59 | angasulework | i think portrait would be nice for arkanoid |
| 20:05.03 | Sargun | DocScrutinizer51, actually, two of mine died. |
| 20:05.05 | Sargun | the battery fried. |
| 20:05.06 | pupnik | yeah why doesnt n900 support fax and teletype |
| 20:05.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sargun: ouch |
| 20:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, COLOR fax. |
| 20:05.50 | pupnik | :) |
| 20:06.13 | Sargun | wonders the best way to connect his n900 to the network |
| 20:06.18 | SpeedEvil | jhford: you have to erase 128k blocks at a time of flash |
| 20:06.34 | SpeedEvil | jhford: typically. this sets the bits to 0xff |
| 20:06.44 | angasulework | sargun, wifi? |
| 20:06.47 | pupnik | if you reallz want portrait maybe palm pre is the thing |
| 20:06.50 | jhford | SpeedEvil: ah, that makes sense |
| 20:07.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sargun: I wish you'd send me those fried batteries so I could read out bq27k to see what went wrong |
| 20:07.03 | SpeedEvil | jhford: you can then program any bit you like to 0 - with only access time penaklty |
| 20:07.16 | Sargun | DocScrutinizer51, where are you based? |
| 20:07.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | D |
| 20:07.33 | Sargun | D? |
| 20:07.35 | SpeedEvil | jhford: but if you want to program any bit to 1 again - you have to erase the whole block and rewrite |
| 20:07.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | Germany |
| 20:07.38 | SpeedEvil | E! |
| 20:07.50 | Sargun | Germany... Oh, that might cost a penny. |
| 20:08.03 | Sargun | DocScrutinizer51, do you want to pay for them? |
| 20:08.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sargun: nevermind then |
| 20:08.05 | SpeedEvil | oh come on |
| 20:08.06 | jhford | so if you have 64k of a 128k block used and want to program a one, you have to erase the whole 128k and rewrite all of it? |
| 20:08.09 | jhford | SpeedEvil: ^ |
| 20:08.10 | SpeedEvil | it would go in an envelope |
| 20:08.22 | SpeedEvil | posting teeny envelopes is almost free |
| 20:08.37 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, And DHS would nuke me for sending that in an envelope. |
| 20:08.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sargun: nope. as OM doesnmt pay for me anymore ;-P |
| 20:08.55 | Sargun | DocScrutinizer51, does OM pay anyone? |
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| 20:09.00 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 20:09.08 | SpeedEvil | Sargun|: wikireader people I guess |
| 20:09.25 | SpeedEvil | thoiugh I can't imagine that having that much ongoing sales. |
| 20:09.26 | Stskeeps | heh, they could have had a kickass smartphone if they had continued with s3c6410.. |
| 20:09.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sargun: dunno. 2 or 5 chinese guys maybe |
| 20:09.50 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: or if they had sold what they had in 2007 to users |
| 20:10.02 | SpeedEvil | (after 6mo of polishing) |
| 20:10.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: **SIIIGHHH** |
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| 20:11.16 | Arkenoi | arachnist, flux: it was GEOS, not CE |
| 20:11.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I feel a lil nasty hijacking this channel |
| 20:11.47 | Stskeeps | nah, important to learn from history |
| 20:11.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:12.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | k. a valid POV |
| 20:12.25 | SpeedEvil | some of the parallels are interesting. |
| 20:12.34 | SpeedEvil | Though not as extreme. |
| 20:12.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | parallels?? which PARALLELS? |
| 20:12.50 | SpeedEvil | For example - poor communication between the closed and open parts. |
| 20:13.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. ack |
| 20:13.13 | SpeedEvil | Lack of FPGA. |
| 20:13.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | pff |
| 20:13.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | lack of plutonium cell |
| 20:15.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: maybe: poor GPS performance due to crappy software (until grown mature) |
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| 20:17.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: or how about that: releasing schematics way too late / never, for pushing FOSS driver development and public review/QA |
| 20:19.03 | SpeedEvil | I can see why not releasing before release. |
| 20:19.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | though every fool knows china cloners have just a evil grin about non-open schematics |
| 20:19.36 | SpeedEvil | but given that I can reverse engineer with a dmm - prettymuch... |
| 20:19.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | ack |
| 20:20.05 | jhford | is there a way to flash a custom emmc image to the n900? |
| 20:20.09 | jhford | using flasher-3.5 |
| 20:20.10 | SpeedEvil | I assume there must be services out there that will reverse a board for you. |
| 20:20.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | NOKIA: RELEASE SCHEMATICS! |
| 20:20.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: sure there are |
| 20:20.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | I knew the engineering house thet did iPhone RE |
| 20:21.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas I lost the link |
| 20:21.56 | SpeedEvil | however - spare parts can at least be purchased for nokia :) |
| 20:22.04 | SpeedEvil | Which is one nice thing. |
| 20:25.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | NOKIA: (release schem) It can be done. See http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/. If Nokia thinks they need help to sort NDA issues out contact joerg@openmoko.org |
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| 20:25.57 | SpeedEvil | clicks f5 on rapidshare. |
| 20:27.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsck rapidshare |
| 20:27.33 | SpeedEvil | ovishare |
| 20:27.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
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| 20:38.00 | Jaffa | re |
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| 20:39.46 | lucent | Would a LUKS partition (crypto) on microSD be readable on my N900? |
| 20:40.15 | lucent | google searches show only a few people asking about it, no real "hey it works" "no it doesn't work" |
| 20:41.02 | lucent | I'm used to Ubuntu desktop asking me for a key when I plug in my USB device containing a LUKS partition |
| 20:41.16 | Meizirkki | Maemo 5 won't do that |
| 20:41.21 | hrw | lucent: IF you will get all required software components installed then should I think |
| 20:41.29 | hrw | lucent: but prepare for manual compiling |
| 20:42.01 | lucent | oh okay, no out of the box stuff hrm |
| 20:42.01 | lucent | I don't think it's importan |
| 20:42.16 | lucent | I mean, it's important but not worth the time tradeoff here |
| 20:42.20 | lucent | thanks for the advice hrw :) |
| 20:43.12 | hrw | lucent: maemo5 is simple OS for simple tablet. nothing fancy available in repositories and it is too broken to be able to accept packages from Debian (which on it was based). |
| 20:43.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo is linux. Why shouldn't it work? |
| 20:43.52 | lucent | basic question about that, do you know, if I have a microSD card formatted with two partitions, will that confuse it too much? |
| 20:43.58 | MohammadAG | Fetched 1564B in 6min58s (4B/s) :/ |
| 20:44.17 | inz | That's what I call speed |
| 20:44.17 | hrw | DocScrutinizer51: it can work - but not out-of-box |
| 20:44.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | ack |
| 20:44.37 | lucent | my usual pocket storage is some flash memory with one LUKS partition and one FAT32 partition |
| 20:44.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | nevertheless it should *compile* 'ootb' |
| 20:45.50 | lucent | DocScrutinizer51: what I am looking for is that the device asks me for a crypto key via the UI and prepares the crypto partition for access by all applications |
| 20:46.04 | lucent | no commandline stuff |
| 20:46.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: I have a16G with 3 partitons here. It mounts the first which happens to be vfat. |
| 20:46.29 | lucent | DocScrutinizer51: cool info, thanks very much |
| 20:46.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | it ignores the extE3 and swwap |
| 20:47.17 | hrw | andre__: can you add ISINEXTRAS state to bugs.maemo.org? Now I closed bug #6718 as FIXED but ISINEXTRAS would better inform how it was resolved. |
| 20:48.31 | andre__ | hrw: hmm. I think FIXED or WORKSFORME cover this case. |
| 20:48.38 | andre__ | i want to keep the number of solutions low |
| 20:49.09 | andre__ | I see already enough timewasting discussions internally, like "INVALID? No way! If at all, WONTFIX!" |
| 20:49.23 | hrw | ok |
| 20:49.29 | andre__ | but yeah, we should rethink solutions once we have Bugzilla 3.4 |
| 20:49.44 | andre__ | because "FIXED" is confusing to many users, as in "Why isn't the fix on my device then?" |
| 20:50.05 | andre__ | e.g. redhat uses "ON_QA" for that as long as it's not *publically* released... |
| 20:50.15 | hrw | good state |
| 20:50.24 | andre__ | yeah, a good topic for a long discussion with some glasses of wine :) |
| 20:50.36 | hrw | FIXED_ONLY_FOR_NOKIA_PEOPLE would be maemo version |
| 20:51.00 | hrw | or FIXED_MAYBE_WE_WILL_RELEASE_IT |
| 20:51.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 20:51.49 | andre__ | hrw: totally right, but looks ugly :-P |
| 20:51.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | fixed_but_we_wont_tell_how_to_use_it |
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| 20:52.12 | hrw | andre__: FIXED_INTERNALLY |
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| 20:52.24 | andre__ | hrw, yeah, something like that I had in mind too |
| 20:52.25 | hrw | or FIXED_NOT_RELEASED |
| 20:52.32 | lucent | hm, newest version of "flashlight" seems to only work once |
| 20:52.33 | inz | WONT_SOMEBODY_PLEASE_THINK_OF_THE_CHILDREN |
| 20:52.34 | andre__ | that misses a "yet" :) |
| 20:52.44 | lucent | anybody else confirm that on a N900? |
| 20:53.02 | andre__ | lucent, who is flashlight? an app? :) |
| 20:53.12 | hrw | andre__: I do not have so big trust in getting releases from nokia like you seems to have |
| 20:53.17 | LuciusMare_n900 | hi,where does the internal media player store its covers? it didnt download all |
| 20:53.19 | Laiska | I installed the flashlight, but could not find it in application menu... |
| 20:53.22 | lucent | andre__: flashlight is an app that lets you use your camera's LED flash as a flashlight |
| 20:53.25 | lucent | turn on/off |
| 20:53.27 | arachnist | http://wzff.de/horsecock.jpg <| lol, sfw (despite what the name might suggest) |
| 20:53.34 | LuciusMare_n900 | and, what's the problem with new version of flashlight? |
| 20:53.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: ack. confirmed |
| 20:53.42 | hrw | Laiska:open camera and check status area plugins |
| 20:53.54 | LuciusMare_n900 | Laiska: read the description of the package |
| 20:54.07 | LuciusMare_n900 | DocScrutinizer51: what confirmed? |
| 20:54.31 | lucent | DocScrutinizer51: dur... should we report that problem? :P flashlight 0.3 only works once per boot, seems to mess up the flash |
| 20:54.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | flashligt borks on second use |
| 20:54.44 | LuciusMare_n900 | oy,confirmed |
| 20:54.49 | LuciusMare_n900 | :< |
| 20:55.01 | LuciusMare_n900 | lets make a report flood |
| 20:55.02 | andre__ | hrw: after suddenly changing plans and looking like leaving Diablo from one day to the other I can understand that |
| 20:55.16 | andre__ | hrw, and I'm not totally convinced either |
| 20:55.25 | LuciusMare_n900 | it just sucks *reverts to an older version* |
| 20:55.55 | lucent | oh hey how to pin a version and install it? |
| 20:56.06 | Laiska | thanks hrw and LuciusMare |
| 20:56.06 | lucent | just a one time thing, don't need to go all crazy on apt preferences here |
| 20:56.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: +1 ?? |
| 20:56.12 | MohammadAG | unable to turn on flashlight o.O |
| 20:56.19 | konttori | LuciusMare_n900: in /home/user/.cache/media-art |
| 20:56.27 | andre__ | LuciusMare: report floods are not helpful if you want developers to work fixing an issue instead of closing duplicate reports ;-) |
| 20:56.32 | LuciusMare_n900 | konttori: thanks |
| 20:56.52 | hrw | andre__: so far there were 2 releases of maemo5 - maemosummit one and 42.11 - note that I do not count 51.1 as release as it is still internal only (plus few persons) |
| 20:56.57 | LuciusMare_n900 | andre__: a developer should test an app before releasing ;) |
| 20:57.12 | frals | testers should test, developer develop :p |
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| 20:57.19 | konttori | LuciusMare_n900: see: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/album-art-in-fremantle.html |
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| 20:57.40 | konttori | that should explain the naming conventions, and... well, everything pretty well. |
| 20:57.50 | LuciusMare_n900 | ok |
| 20:57.56 | LuciusMare_n900 | frals: heh |
| 20:58.07 | hrw | andre__: now we have 2nd week of 2010, 42.11 is 3 months old, 51.1 is one month old |
| 20:58.31 | konttori | you can use e.g. mussorsky to get covers for all your music |
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| 20:58.54 | Macer | heh |
| 20:58.58 | Macer | running kubuntu on the macbook |
| 20:59.07 | LuciusMare_n900 | and,once again,how to show all packages installed? |
| 20:59.15 | Macer | i need to find a bunch of mac based themes to add to it so i can tell people it is OS XI |
| 21:00.32 | hrw | andre__: and there are nice things in hildon-desktop done which are not part of 51.1 even ;( |
| 21:00.48 | hrw | konttori: there are google-images plugins in extras for that too. |
| 21:01.05 | konttori | hrw: is that working again? |
| 21:01.14 | hrw | konttori: was it ever worked? |
| 21:01.18 | andre__ | hrw, I think we both agree that Nokia's current system has lots of room for improvements... |
| 21:01.21 | konttori | philip van hoof made that, but I think it got broken at some point when google changed their api |
| 21:01.28 | Jaffa | konttori: You know that Maemo 5 doesn't follow the spec, right? ;-) |
| 21:01.31 | hrw | andre__: o yes |
| 21:01.38 | Macer | hm |
| 21:01.41 | konttori | Jaffa, the album art spec? |
| 21:02.01 | Jaffa | had a rewrite of pvanhoof's google-image-album-art-downloader which used the JSON Google images API (i.e. something actually supported) |
| 21:02.01 | konttori | I think it calculates non ascii characters incorrectly. |
| 21:02.14 | Jaffa | But accidentally deleted it. Didn't take long but not got around to rewriting it. |
| 21:02.27 | konttori | ah, great! |
| 21:02.35 | konttori | well, that you made it. |
| 21:02.36 | Jaffa | konttori: No, it ignores artist names; so if you have two "Greatest Hits" albums, you're screwed if you want them to have proper album art. |
| 21:02.48 | Jaffa | konttori: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7263 |
| 21:02.55 | konttori | anyway, we were all the time waiting for legal ok to use nokia music store to provide album art |
| 21:03.42 | konttori | in the end, it was not possible, as we didn't have the possibility for end users to buy music -> contact with lables didn't allow us to access the album covers. |
| 21:03.56 | konttori | all weird legal spaghetti. |
| 21:04.23 | konttori | the google downloader was ever just an example. sad that it was never made to use the json api. |
| 21:04.27 | Jaffa | Bug 7263 and bug 6911 (probably same bug) meant I've no interest in getting half-right album art so not motivated enough to finish the version |
| 21:05.15 | Jaffa | And I couldn't get the images to appear, probably for exactly that reason. |
| 21:05.31 | LuciusMare_n900 | screw you,non-scrolling terminal! |
| 21:05.45 | LuciusMare_n900 | what wqas the name of the app to download cover art? |
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| 21:08.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: I've missed the answer how to install an older version of an app? |
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| 21:09.46 | MohammadAG | anyone tried fm boost? |
| 21:10.08 | LuciusMare_n900 | DocScrutinizer51: apt-get install app=version |
| 21:10.19 | LuciusMare_n900 | or app:version, not sure |
| 21:10.48 | hrw | = |
| 21:11.11 | LuciusMare_n900 | :< |
| 21:11.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: sounds simple enough. Now I only need to find out about last 'working' version of flashlight ;-) |
| 21:11.29 | MohammadAG | so...? |
| 21:11.54 | jhford | is there a way with flasher-3.5 to specify a partition to use for the emmc file? |
| 21:12.04 | LuciusMare_n900 | struggles with making enough place on his desktop so he can fir one bookmark,few icons,rss,media player and touchsearch |
| 21:12.06 | jhford | i.e. i want to create my own emmc image |
| 21:12.07 | LuciusMare_n900 | *fit |
| 21:12.09 | frals | when using gtk, anyone know how to say remove a button from a HBox and then force the app to redraw it? |
| 21:13.32 | konttori | lcuk: did you get gdb updated? |
| 21:13.53 | konttori | did you contact marcell or tero kojo? |
| 21:14.05 | konttori | (asking in case you are here) |
| 21:16.01 | frals | konttori: the key to get lcuk awake is to say "bacon", not "lcuk" ;D |
| 21:16.20 | tigert | oohoh |
| 21:16.21 | konttori | lol! how come? |
| 21:16.25 | tigert | jamaendo player looks nice |
| 21:16.35 | LuciusMare_n900 | BEACON! |
| 21:16.46 | LuciusMare_n900 | its not workign |
| 21:16.48 | frals | he has a thing for it for some reason, seems he must be really far away atm thou ;D |
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| 21:17.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: any further hints on that darn <version> thing? |
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| 21:17.29 | LuciusMare_n900 | DocScrutinizer51: just updating my repos and trying 0.2 |
| 21:17.38 | LuciusMare_n900 | i think i had this version |
| 21:17.45 | LuciusMare_n900 | so let's give it a ahot |
| 21:17.49 | LuciusMare_n900 | *shot |
| 21:17.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | tell me if it panned out |
| 21:18.09 | LuciusMare_n900 | and,what was the name of cover downloading app+? |
| 21:18.12 | LuciusMare_n900 | apps? |
| 21:18.15 | LuciusMare_n900 | DocScrutinizer51: sure |
| 21:18.24 | konttori | tigert, do you know that is it easy to have DUI widgets in normal qtgraphicsview ? |
| 21:18.38 | LuciusMare_n900 | damn,apt-get update is sluggish slow at gprs :o |
| 21:18.46 | konttori | basically that is it easy to have QML laying out the DUI components on a canvas |
| 21:19.08 | konttori | Oh, by the way, PR1.0.1 release was accepted today. |
| 21:19.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: S/gprs/meamo.org/ |
| 21:19.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | the N770.server farm |
| 21:19.53 | LuciusMare_n900 | haha |
| 21:19.59 | konttori | yeah. whole maemo.org is slow as hell. |
| 21:20.08 | tigert | konttori: no? |
| 21:20.13 | konttori | I'm really looking forward to the new servers |
| 21:20.14 | LuciusMare_n900 | n770 servr farm sounds funny to me |
| 21:20.24 | hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6708#c8 - ugly |
| 21:20.25 | povbot` | Bug 6708: calendar does not support export |
| 21:20.28 | konttori | tigert, so, is that a firm no , or a guess? |
| 21:20.35 | hrw | LuciusMare_n900: there was never such thing as n770 ;D |
| 21:20.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | envisions X-Fade connecting each TCP link by hand |
| 21:20.44 | LuciusMare_n900 | imagine a pile of tablets hooked up,giving their best to serve pages |
| 21:20.57 | LuciusMare_n900 | hrw: so n-whatever ;) |
| 21:21.18 | hrw | konttori: 1.0.1? so we will get 42.11 with 3 bugfixes? |
| 21:21.37 | hrw | awesome... |
| 21:21.53 | |R | how does the whole PR scheme works? |
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| 21:22.15 | LuciusMare_n900 | oy |
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| 21:22.53 | LuciusMare_n900 | DocScrutinizer51: E: Version '0.2' for 'flashlight-applet' was not found |
| 21:22.57 | konttori | hrw: well, it's basically less than 50 bug fixes. It's a really minor thing |
| 21:22.59 | LuciusMare_n900 | :( |
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| 21:23.00 | hrw | |R: 1.0 was first production release (42.11), next one is now named PR1.1 (will be 51.1 which now is month old), etc |
| 21:23.05 | wirelessdreamer | what solutions have ppl here taken to the pathetically small root partition on the 900, just filled my up =| |
| 21:23.17 | tigert | konttori: "do you know?" "no, I dont know" |
| 21:23.18 | konttori | But, it opens some doors (e.g. SSU capability to PR1.1) |
| 21:23.20 | LuciusMare_n900 | wirelessdreamer: dont bloat their tablet |
| 21:23.22 | LuciusMare_n900 | for example |
| 21:23.30 | hrw | konttori: I want one simple bugfix - s/closed/GPL/ in calendar |
| 21:23.37 | wirelessdreamer | its not their tablet, its my phone |
| 21:23.37 | flux | wirelessdreamer, restart the device (after releasing some space) |
| 21:23.39 | |R | hrw: and it's an apt-get update type of upgrade? |
| 21:23.42 | wirelessdreamer | and I have basic apps installed |
| 21:23.44 | LuciusMare_n900 | or you can *try* to repartition |
| 21:23.56 | flux | wirelessdreamer, there's a bug that causes certain installations consume space that's recovered after restart |
| 21:23.56 | VDVsx | konttori, 1.0.1 == 51.1 ? |
| 21:23.57 | konttori | tigert: then I just hope you are wrong ;) |
| 21:24.00 | hrw | |R: in Diablo it was. did they managed to do that in maemo5... no idea |
| 21:24.11 | konttori | VDVsx: nope. 44-something |
| 21:24.16 | LuciusMare_n900 | wirelessdreamer: me too, i am at 75 and i have a lot of other apps |
| 21:24.20 | tigert | no, I didnt say "not possible", rather just "no idea" |
| 21:24.21 | hrw | VDVsx: obsolete anyway |
| 21:24.26 | tigert | konttori: see priv |
| 21:24.30 | konttori | hrw: what canno you do with calendar? |
| 21:24.34 | LuciusMare_n900 | such as supertux,vim,wgwt,nmap,netcat... |
| 21:24.39 | flux | wirelessdreamer, additional solution: stop installing that much stuff from extras-devel, or stuff that is not not optified ;) |
| 21:24.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: (repartition) huh? you can try to symlink /usr and /var to /home |
| 21:24.47 | wirelessdreamer | LucisMare_n900: have any links to docs on repatitioning it? |
| 21:24.55 | Anidel | and how long after pr1.0.1 to pr1.1 ? :) |
| 21:24.59 | |R | hrw: ok :) ... hopefully the kernel and all is upgradable without a reflash as it was supposed explained before it came out |
| 21:25.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: (0.2) :-(( |
| 21:25.09 | LuciusMare_n900 | ? |
| 21:25.12 | wirelessdreamer | flux: I don't have that many from extras-devel . . . just important stuff ;) |
| 21:25.13 | ShadowJK | i think the symlink didn't work |
| 21:25.29 | hrw | konttori: this tool is CRAP total CRAP... look at simple bugs which were send for it... probably even I would be able to fix some of them without knowlegde of GTK+ |
| 21:25.33 | Caesium | release of 1.0.1 is not encouraging :( |
| 21:25.44 | Caesium | that says to me that we have so long to wait for 1.1 release, they're doing one in between to fix the serious stuff |
| 21:25.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: yup. seems like it failed |
| 21:25.51 | VDVsx | konttori, 0_o and you guys will release it into public having 51.1 in god shape, strange |
| 21:25.53 | wirelessdreamer | flux: thanks reboot after delete helped |
| 21:26.03 | LuciusMare_n900 | (0.2) ? |
| 21:26.21 | hrw | VDVsx: thats nokia... you expected sanity? |
| 21:26.32 | pupnik | funny how getting hired by nokia makes you a target for flames ,J |
| 21:26.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: though I'm not completely sure it was due to elementary issues rather than a wrong procedure |
| 21:26.48 | konttori | hrw: what tool? |
| 21:27.16 | konttori | VDVsx: you cannot safely SSU from 1.0 to 1.1. |
| 21:27.42 | konttori | basically for a random end user, the free space need for safe update would have been over 70 megs of free rootfs. |
| 21:27.44 | Anidel | konttori, and you know more or less how much time then before 1.1 ? |
| 21:27.51 | Anidel | note: more or less :) |
| 21:27.51 | hrw | konttori: calendar |
| 21:27.54 | LuciusMare_n900 | can i set the connection meter (measuers how much data has been downloaded) so it resets every month? |
| 21:27.59 | konttori | and the 1.0.1 fixes issues related to that. And a bit more. |
| 21:28.23 | Caesium | it makes / bigger? ;) |
| 21:28.24 | konttori | hrw: ah, you mean, you don't like how it's implemented and would like to fix the UI? |
| 21:28.32 | konttori | well, I can understand that. |
| 21:28.46 | VDVsx | konttori, ah right, sorry :p |
| 21:29.05 | konttori | and for that, I cannot do probably much. But, I'll check with the developers if it would be possible to opensource the UI |
| 21:29.10 | konttori | (most likely not) |
| 21:29.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: possible path: dbus-monitor; reset; find dbus msg that does the reset; create cronjob for dbus-send |
| 21:29.51 | konttori | Anidel: most likely less, but who knows. Just look at the 1.0.1 week number |
| 21:30.03 | hrw | bug #7792 |
| 21:30.04 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7792 Release source code on open licence |
| 21:30.20 | Anidel | konttori, eheh noticed :) |
| 21:30.29 | LuciusMare_n900 | hm |
| 21:31.07 | pwnguin | anyone have a recommendation for bluetooth headsets? |
| 21:31.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: if dbus-monitor doesn't help' then try strace the setrings app |
| 21:31.51 | LuciusMare_n900 | dbus-monitor does not help,it fails to run. |
| 21:32.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh? |
| 21:32.44 | LuciusMare_n900 | wait |
| 21:33.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | works like a charm here |
| 21:33.42 | Stskeeps | ponders if he dares reading scrollback |
| 21:34.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: *giggle* What's up? |
| 21:34.15 | LuciusMare_n900 | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d3d11fda5 |
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| 21:37.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: it doesn't 'hang' |
| 21:37.39 | LuciusMare_n900 | then what? |
| 21:37.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | just go on with oher actions and later watch what monitor listed |
| 21:37.58 | LuciusMare_n900 | oh |
| 21:38.05 | LuciusMare_n900 | facepalms |
| 21:39.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: actually you should start dbus-monitor immediately before hitting 'reset' button on data counter ;-) |
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| 21:40.33 | LuciusMare_n900 | oh |
| 21:40.39 | Andy80 | can someone suggest me a decent documentation to install or to read for PythonGTK programing under Maemo? It's simply absurd, for example, I cannot find how to insert a simple Image container :\ |
| 21:40.45 | LuciusMare_n900 | now, i need to find where does it resets |
| 21:40.45 | LuciusMare_n900 | eh |
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| 21:42.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably ssh into the device from a remote PC to have a second screen to watch dbus-monitor output helps a lot |
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| 21:43.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: also don't miss 'dbus-monitor -s' |
| 21:43.28 | LuciusMare_n900 | negative,no wifi or unix device here |
| 21:43.30 | LuciusMare_n900 | -s? |
| 21:43.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe the interesting message is on systembus |
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| 21:43.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | not on sessionbus |
| 21:44.53 | Caesium | nothign in dbus-monitor when I press Reset in the Phone settings |
| 21:44.56 | LuciusMare_n900 | method call sender=:1.145 -> dest=org.freedesktop.DBus serial=75 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=RequestName string "com.nokia.controlpanel-cellular_plugin" uint32 1 |
| 21:44.59 | LuciusMare_n900 | ^C |
| 21:45.11 | LuciusMare_n900 | ^^ |
| 21:45.16 | LuciusMare_n900 | now what? |
| 21:45.42 | Caesium | hm, how did you get that. |
| 21:45.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare_n900: no clue. I'm a total noob on dbus |
| 21:46.22 | LuciusMare_n900 | oh. |
| 21:46.39 | Caesium | LuciusMare_n900: was that from dbus-monitor --system? |
| 21:47.34 | LuciusMare_n900 | no,from normal dbus-monitor |
| 21:47.50 | Caesium | strange, I ran that and pressed Reset but nothing popped up in dbus-monitor |
| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | Caesium: you didn't gainroot incidentally? |
| 21:49.00 | wirelessdreamer | I just ran sudo gainroot; df -h | grep rootfs; apt-get remove bounce; df -h and the amount of free space on root didn't change, anyone know what kind of bug thats tied into? |
| 21:49.00 | Caesium | I ssh'ed in as root to run dbus-monitor |
| 21:49.12 | crashanddie | Bookmaker Ladbrokes is refusing to pay out more than 7 million pounds ($11 million) to a man who gambled on a white Christmas across the UK, as the bet was accepted by mistake. |
| 21:49.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | root session dbus != user session dbus |
| 21:49.35 | Caesium | ah. |
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| 21:50.51 | LuciusMare_n900 | oh |
| 21:51.10 | LuciusMare_n900 | i might have ran it under root,i aml not sure |
| 21:51.29 | LuciusMare_n900 | p |
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| 21:52.20 | LuciusMare_n900 | wirelessdreamer: bug called optyfiyng, it might not take as big space on root but on /9pt |
| 21:54.51 | wirelessdreamer | but bounce ships with the n900 and says in the package manage it takes up over 20 megs, so if I remove a package that it ships with that says it takes up 20 megs and I remove it, I should have another 20 megs free in / |
| 21:55.11 | wirelessdreamer | I call that a built in bug |
| 21:55.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually for my thinking the reset dbus msg belongs to system dbus as it isn't associated to a particular user |
| 21:55.36 | Caesium | hm, bounce not installed on my N900. |
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| 21:55.47 | T7g | wirelessdreamer, bounce does not install to / |
| 21:55.56 | johnq_ | Is cornelius hald here? |
| 21:56.08 | T7g | nothing should install to / except libraries and unoptified programs |
| 21:56.19 | ShadowJK | bounce might actually use the 2gig space marked as "free memory for installing applications" (or something like that) |
| 21:56.34 | T7g | ShadowJK, It does. |
| 21:56.37 | wirelessdreamer | how can I identify programs to remove that are installed to / then? |
| 21:56.42 | ShadowJK | that so many apps consume space on / and not on the space reserved for them, is a bug |
| 21:57.06 | T7g | How much space ya got left wirelessdreamer ? df -h? (Also you need to reboot after installing x amount of programs because of a known bug with the gtk icon cache) |
| 21:57.06 | Caesium | ShadowJK: would that be /home ? |
| 21:57.11 | wirelessdreamer | i've been pulling program after program out with the package manager and my / usage isn't changing |
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| 21:57.13 | lardman | any old hands about? GAN900, Jaffa, etc? |
| 21:57.23 | T7g | So check a df -h in terminal after powering down and powering back up, if you're around 50mb you're good. |
| 21:57.23 | wirelessdreamer | 9% free |
| 21:57.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | wirelessdreamer: ls -l /bin /sbin /usr |
| 21:57.24 | ShadowJK | /opt (/home/opt) |
| 21:57.55 | Caesium | wonders how early /home gets mounted in the boot process, could I just ln -s /home/usr/share /usr/share for example :) |
| 21:58.02 | Sargun | When the Nokia N900 is in PC suite mode, how do I configure the N900's usb0? |
| 21:58.02 | T7g | wirelessdreamer, most packages except really important ones are not installed to / |
| 21:58.10 | ShadowJK | there was a script on tmo somewhere for listing use on / per package |
| 21:58.16 | jebba | where do camera still shots get put? I though ~/MyDocs/DCIM or ~/MyDocs/.images but nothing from 2010 (this year) is in there |
| 21:58.28 | pupnik | dcim |
| 21:58.31 | T7g | Caesium, you can do that with a bind mount, but you cannot do it with a link, you'll brick your device |
| 21:58.43 | jebba | gah |
| 21:58.43 | T7g | and you still have to leave the original /usr there, and just have a copy that you bind mount over it. |
| 21:58.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | Caesium: that's exactly what ShadowJK mentioned a few minutes ago |
| 21:58.50 | jon1012 | Sargun: as root: "ifconfig usb0 10.20.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" for example |
| 21:58.55 | Caesium | T7g: that's not a bad idea. |
| 21:59.06 | jon1012 | Sargun: I bet there are guis for that, but this is the cli method :) |
| 21:59.08 | Sargun | jon1012, On the n900? Is there any way I can make it get an automatic IP on boot-up? |
| 21:59.09 | jebba | i created a 100M partition on the external card to shut up when i boot up, and it's putting the images there :( |
| 21:59.10 | Caesium | so core stuff that it needs is still there, but anything put there after the bind mount goes into opt |
| 21:59.26 | jon1012 | Sargun: yeah on the n900... and you can do same on computer |
| 21:59.35 | T7g | Caesium, It's been done, but the mmc is supposedly a hell of a lot slower than the / partition (on it's own chip) |
| 21:59.36 | Caesium | might run into issues if an update is applied while the bind mount is up |
| 21:59.44 | ShadowJK | jebba: pick use internal card in camera preferences? |
| 21:59.51 | jon1012 | Sargun: oh... dhclient usb0 ? (I don't know if dhclient is shipped with n900) |
| 21:59.57 | Stskeeps | jebba: did your irc addiction win? :P |
| 21:59.59 | Sargun | jon1012, how do I setup a default IP, or dhcp on the n900's usb0? |
| 22:00.02 | pupnik | mwhaha winXP cant install itself on a blank 1.5tb drive |
| 22:00.15 | jon1012 | there is some kind of pc connectivity manager |
| 22:00.30 | jon1012 | that adds an entry in the settings panel |
| 22:00.56 | pupnik | or a usb drive |
| 22:01.08 | jebba | Stskeeps: climbed a mountain, went to an asado (BBQ), and then horseback riding. ;) so got some vacation in. Was trying to find the fotos i took! |
| 22:01.13 | Sargun | jon1012, hmm |
| 22:01.37 | jebba | ShadowJK: i was looking for such a setting. lemme doublecheck |
| 22:01.53 | Stskeeps | jebba: hehe, cool |
| 22:02.46 | jebba | i gave my 5 year old a stick to hit the horse so he would go faster, and he wound up being the fastest one(!). some lady fell off her horse. Super intense here in the mountains. Very nice. |
| 22:03.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: lol |
| 22:04.09 | jebba | ah duh, its in the camera settings, not the image viewer |
| 22:06.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: yes |
| 22:06.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry I wasn't alert to tell you |
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| 22:07.48 | hrw | bye |
| 22:08.14 | jebba | Stskeeps: though i think you're right re: irc. We came back and both of us jumped on the computer hhah. He's hacking Lincity. Me: "You making a lake for the city?" "No, i'm flooding it" heh. |
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| 22:09.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | new venice hack ;-P |
| 22:09.56 | ml-N900 | :( reboot |
| 22:10.36 | jebba | or army corps engineers /me ducks |
| 22:10.43 | jon1012 | someone knows how to fix the webcam quality ? |
| 22:10.54 | jon1012 | without waiting 3 months for the new maemo release ? |
| 22:11.02 | jon1012 | right now it's very very ugly |
| 22:12.02 | Flandry | the webcam has VGA resolution |
| 22:12.07 | jon1012 | (event if I love maemo and the ecosystem around it... I sometime ask myself if they even have qc and testing at nokia) |
| 22:12.15 | Flandry | <0.5 MPixel |
| 22:12.21 | Flandry | it's not going to get "fixed" lol |
| 22:12.22 | jebba | jon1012: rumour has it, it is fixed in the next release. In the git tree of the camera kernel branch has had a bunch of activity |
| 22:12.34 | jon1012 | Flandry: ok about that... but a big bar in the middle ? big points all around the picture ? |
| 22:12.40 | Flandry | oh |
| 22:12.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | jon1012: buy 3pcs 1000W floodlights |
| 22:12.44 | jebba | Flandry: ya, it's broken. It's banding bad on the right, the gain is way to high, and controls on it can't be set. |
| 22:12.55 | Flandry | well that maybe ;) |
| 22:13.06 | jebba | it's a kernel driver issue. |
| 22:13.26 | Flandry | usually is :P |
| 22:13.56 | Flandry | do you know if there's any technical reason cups hasn't been ported? |
| 22:13.56 | jon1012 | how can they release a product without testing those stuff ? :-/ I find myself like a beta tester even if I bought a 650 euros device |
| 22:14.14 | jebba | I *think* this is the tree they do the camera development on: git://gitorious.org/omap3camera/mainline.git |
| 22:14.22 | jon1012 | thanks |
| 22:14.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | Flandry: basically the chip control is borked |
| 22:14.51 | Flandry | chip control? |
| 22:15.02 | Flandry | referring to what? |
| 22:15.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | Flandry: things like setting sensitivity, exposure time, etc pp |
| 22:15.50 | Flandry | ok regarding the cam |
| 22:16.02 | jebba | contrast, brightness etc |
| 22:16.13 | jebba | video4linux controls |
| 22:16.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | etc etc ;-) |
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| 22:17.41 | pupnik | hahaha winxp trashed the drive so that cfdisk cant repartition it |
| 22:17.41 | jebba | Flandry: i also *think* it's in the origin/rx51 branch of that git tree. It's last update is Dec 31 |
| 22:17.57 | pupnik | falls down |
| 22:18.47 | lcuk | can smell something |
| 22:18.55 | lcuk | looks over @ frals |
| 22:19.08 | frals | roll eyes |
| 22:19.13 | lcuk | konttori, no its in my todo for monday morning |
| 22:19.21 | lcuk | ive put them online |
| 22:19.28 | lcuk | and a few people have been testing |
| 22:19.32 | lcuk | the package seems stable |
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| 22:20.29 | pupnik | lcuk is a windows programmer |
| 22:21.02 | lcuk | indeed i am pupnik |
| 22:21.05 | lcuk | well |
| 22:21.07 | lcuk | was |
| 22:22.29 | pupnik | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=8192 |
| 22:22.41 | pupnik | fixed |
| 22:23.13 | jebba | count=? ;) |
| 22:23.19 | Analias | thinks pupnik enjoys being evil |
| 22:23.29 | ml-N900 | runs until EOF :) |
| 22:23.40 | jebba | ah, that'll fix it |
| 22:24.14 | ml-N900 | zones out on the technical details of PCIe 3.0 |
| 22:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=460181 |
| 22:24.55 | GeneralAntilles | facepalms. |
| 22:25.00 | frals | notices how coding time decreases when watching tmo-thread |
| 22:25.36 | lcuk | notices how time vanisheswhn trying to warm up after goin shop |
| 22:25.49 | frals | facepalms along with GeneralAntilles |
| 22:26.20 | frals | lcuk: i went earlier, tried to keep up with irc while walking, display lag was too bad in ~-15 :( |
| 22:26.54 | lcuk | i had lag on my pipe and slippers |
| 22:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | frals, Talk is so inane these days. |
| 22:30.38 | Flandry | as opposed to last month |
| 22:31.03 | GeneralAntilles | misses the pre-N900 days. |
| 22:31.10 | Flandry | why does maemo use antique debian tools |
| 22:31.26 | Flandry | is there a good reason |
| 22:31.37 | MohammadAG | Flash Player 10.1 Firmware upgrade? LOL |
| 22:31.37 | ShadowJK | They upgraded them. The previous ones were half a decade old, these are newer! |
| 22:32.03 | Flandry | These are less than half a decade? |
| 22:32.04 | MohammadAG | flash player is firmware now? :p |
| 22:32.20 | ShadowJK | iirc codesourcery 2007 or something for the compiler.. |
| 22:32.23 | Flandry | whatcha talking about MohammadAG |
| 22:32.32 | MohammadAG | thread on tmo flandry |
| 22:32.45 | Flandry | oh, nevermind then :P |
| 22:32.54 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 22:33.06 | Flandry | version is up to 7, maemo uses 4, right? |
| 22:33.28 | ShadowJK | huh? |
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| 22:37.25 | Anidel | so Firefox Mobile went to 1.0.0 :) |
| 22:37.46 | MohammadAG | wow no offense intended but talk.maemo.org is a bit sad |
| 22:37.57 | jon1012 | yeah |
| 22:38.07 | jon1012 | I just installed firefox mobile 1.0 |
| 22:38.08 | jon1012 | nice |
| 22:38.23 | MohammadAG | the n900 was definatel a step back for the forums |
| 22:38.24 | jon1012 | (however I had to deactivate all the extensions beside weave to get decent performance :)) |
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| 22:40.06 | AakashPatel | Someoen bid on my n900 on ebay :P |
| 22:40.17 | AakashPatel | I needa at least get one bid before i get a new phone haha |
| 22:40.19 | ifreq | AakashPatel: why selling? |
| 22:40.30 | AakashPatel | Don't use it too much, so decided to sell it |
| 22:40.34 | ifreq | k |
| 22:40.41 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, it brought all of the inane idiots screaming out of the woodwork. |
| 22:41.54 | Flandry | debhelper compatibilty is at 7 with eg ubuntu, but 4 for maemo |
| 22:41.56 | MohammadAG | indeed GeneralAntilles, same with a ps3 forum i'm on. when there was a price cut the forums was filled with stupid questions |
| 22:42.08 | MohammadAG | ironically, all the answers are in the manual |
| 22:42.53 | MohammadAG | needs to remap his keyboard to allow tab in xchat |
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| 22:44.51 | frals | MohammadAG: shift + space in latest xchat from repos |
| 22:44.56 | frals | or was it ctrl space.. :P |
| 22:45.15 | ml-N900 | shift+space |
| 22:45.25 | ShadowJK | (and it's configurable in xchat settings) |
| 22:47.42 | MohammadAG | when was it released? |
| 22:48.11 | ml-N900 | couple days ago |
| 22:48.11 | MohammadAG | cause i did an apt-get update an hour ago and there weren't any upgrades fox xchat |
| 22:48.31 | MohammadAG | shift space just gives me a space |
| 22:48.39 | ml-N900 | hit help->about |
| 22:48.42 | MohammadAG | and ctrl space says input language change |
| 22:48.47 | MohammadAG | d |
| 22:48.59 | MohammadAG | Compiled: Jan 3 2010 |
| 22:49.00 | ml-N900 | mine has a date of January 3rd |
| 22:49.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: open settings advanced key-shortcuts |
| 22:49.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | set up nick completion to whatever you like |
| 22:50.33 | Flandry | omg cups has a lot of dependencies |
| 22:50.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, thanks |
| 22:50.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | you don't need a fany update to setup preferences of an app, do you? |
| 22:50.53 | MohammadAG | set it as ctrl right |
| 22:51.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh me too |
| 22:51.18 | MohammadAG | me? no. i just never noticed that in xchat |
| 22:51.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah shift right here |
| 22:51.32 | MohammadAG | been using it for a year though |
| 22:51.43 | MohammadAG | don't like the feel of using shift all the time |
| 22:51.54 | MohammadAG | upper row is a bit more comfortable for me to use |
| 22:52.04 | MohammadAG | personal preference :) |
| 22:52.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | Vme likes the word skip of ctrl+cursor |
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| 22:54.58 | MohammadAG | idk, i just don't feel like pressing shift right |
| 22:55.30 | MohammadAG | gonna turn off auto complete/predictive text, never used it except in nick completion |
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| 23:00.18 | MohammadAG | "this is killing my root DIR :P" not a laughing or :P-ing matter imo |
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| 23:03.34 | MaemohammadAG | switched off the device by mistake :/ |
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| 23:08.34 | ccooke | is pleased to see the backup utility still restores applications :-) |
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| 23:10.47 | frals | is starting to abuse "annoying info banner you have to click away" :( |
| 23:10.48 | Chiku | hi |
| 23:10.59 | Chiku | there are alot people on this chan |
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| 23:11.27 | Chiku | most are afk I think :) |
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| 23:12.44 | Anidel | Mozilla Weave is very cool :) http://share.ovi.com/media/anidel.n900/anidel.10191 |
| 23:13.07 | sshinobi | Hi, I"m trying to get into RD mode on my Nokia N800 using flasher-3.0. I've booted my n800 into USB mode, and ran the software, and the error I get is "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy." |
| 23:13.45 | sshinobi | any way I can fix that? perhaps if this isn't the right channel, could you direct me to the correct channel? |
| 23:14.24 | Anidel | sshinobi, I think it's best if you reboot your Linux desktop and try again.. |
| 23:14.41 | Anidel | I get the same error sometimes and only fix I found is reboot :( |
| 23:15.09 | sshinobi | alright, I'll try that. Thanks! |
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| 23:24.51 | KamuiN900 | anyone elses camera slide feel a little loose? |
| 23:24.56 | ifreq | no sire |
| 23:25.03 | woglinde | no |
| 23:25.10 | KamuiN900 | maybe ive been working it too much |
| 23:25.12 | xorAxAx | KamuiN900: cehteh has the problem |
| 23:25.18 | KamuiN900 | i think i need a new back anyway |
| 23:25.31 | KamuiN900 | no magnet on mine |
| 23:25.53 | cehteh | thats a common problem, i repaired mine, but i send this device back next week anyways |
| 23:26.09 | cehteh | magnet? |
| 23:26.21 | cehteh | the camera slide has a spring, which sometimes comes off |
| 23:26.26 | KamuiN900 | for the microsd |
| 23:26.38 | KamuiN900 | i thinkmine was just missing |
| 23:26.46 | KamuiN900 | the cover detector or whatever |
| 23:27.46 | cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35103 |
| 23:27.57 | lcuk | ccooke, am always impressed by how smoothly the backup/restore is most of the time |
| 23:27.58 | cehteh | the cover detector is a infrared reflex sensor |
| 23:28.06 | KamuiN900 | dude i love xchat |
| 23:29.58 | Anidel | cool Firefox for Mobile is gecko 1.9.2 and based on FF 3.6 |
| 23:30.11 | Anidel | can't wait for them to optimize it more |
| 23:30.26 | woglinde | aeh? |
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| 23:30.29 | woglinde | fennec? |
| 23:30.38 | woglinde | jo lcuk |
| 23:30.48 | Anidel | it's called Firefox now, but yes |
| 23:30.51 | cehteh | hehe .. optimize more :) |
| 23:30.55 | Anidel | hey lcuk |
| 23:31.05 | lcuk | hiya woglinde and hey Anidel \o |
| 23:31.17 | cehteh | i'd say thats a dman requirement for making it useable :P |
| 23:31.24 | lcuk | Anidel, how are you coping in snow, i hear Jaffa is stuck in london |
| 23:31.37 | cehteh | i have no 2Ghz cpu in my phone and no 2GB ram |
| 23:31.44 | Anidel | well I live in London, so it's ok for me to be stuck here :p |
| 23:32.03 | Anidel | I'm coping with it quite well unfortunately.. the main road from home to work is clear of snow :( |
| 23:32.14 | KamuiN900 | yup cehteh i have the SAME issue on my slide |
| 23:32.18 | KamuiN900 | damn it |
| 23:32.31 | woglinde | when was the last time so much snow hits GB? |
| 23:32.45 | Chiku | any link listing all enable repositories for n900? |
| 23:32.51 | KamuiN900 | ill email nokia, but they still havent even responded about my missing back magnet |
| 23:32.58 | Anidel | woglinde, seems something like 30 years |
| 23:33.01 | cehteh | Anidel: http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/2010007-0107/GreatBritain.A2010007.1150.250m.jpg |
| 23:33.06 | lcuk | lol Anidel so no sledging for you |
| 23:33.16 | Anidel | yeah saw it cehteh :) |
| 23:33.16 | cehteh | Anidel: prolly the only free road :) |
| 23:33.22 | Anidel | lcuk, indeed :p |
| 23:33.34 | Anidel | cehteh, ehehe it's right out of my window :p |
| 23:33.35 | lcuk | blames anidel for using all the grit |
| 23:33.51 | cehteh | even here ists snowing |
| 23:33.57 | Anidel | blames the Major of London for using all the grit on my road only :p |
| 23:33.58 | lcuk | where is here? |
| 23:34.09 | cehteh | karlsruhe, germany |
| 23:34.10 | Anidel | hearth |
| 23:34.20 | lcuk | Anidel, he personally did the gritting himself |
| 23:34.24 | Anidel | http://share.ovi.com/media/anidel.n900/anidel.10191 |
| 23:34.26 | cehteh | germanys warmest town, upper rhine valley |
| 23:34.27 | Anidel | ops |
| 23:34.29 | lcuk | "if anidel can get to work, the rest of the country will be ok" |
| 23:34.32 | Anidel | wasn't for here sorry.. already sent that |
| 23:34.40 | Anidel | nods |
| 23:35.13 | lcuk | hep Anidel i made a prototype dock for my n900! |
| 23:35.16 | Anidel | it's cool how I open tabs on the Dell and find them listed on the N900.. I like that |
| 23:35.36 | lcuk | that is uber cool |
| 23:35.40 | lcuk | was it easy to configure |
| 23:35.53 | lcuk | and does it need a central server |
| 23:36.11 | Anidel | they have the central server |
| 23:36.29 | lcuk | so you can see the tabs your girlfriend opens wilst you are out at work o_O :D |
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| 23:36.35 | thomaz | just bought a n900, will get it tomorrow :) |
| 23:36.39 | Anidel | and yes it's easy to configure. just install it on all of your FF ... it landed to 1.0RC few days ago (Mozilla Weave) |
| 23:36.47 | lcuk | nice one thomaz hope you enjoy it |
| 23:36.51 | Anidel | likes lcuk idea.. mmm |
| 23:37.26 | lcuk | Anidel, remember though it works both ways lol |
| 23:37.29 | thomaz | what linux distro do you (all) use? |
| 23:37.33 | Anidel | ahah right :P |
| 23:37.34 | GAN900 | Too bad FF sucks on OS X. |
| 23:37.35 | lcuk | maemo |
| 23:37.51 | thomaz | i mean on laptop/desktop computers |
| 23:38.07 | lcuk | Anidel, tho im sure samantha (am i right?) will want to read the articles on playboy.com lol |
| 23:38.14 | woglinde | debian unstable |
| 23:38.30 | lcuk | i use ubuntu on my laptop (curse it every day) and winxp on my desktop |
| 23:38.42 | Anidel | nods to lcuk |
| 23:38.44 | Anidel | :D |
| 23:38.48 | lcuk | haha |
| 23:38.53 | thomaz | i run gentoo here, hope i'll have luck integrating it with maemo |
| 23:39.16 | lcuk | thomaz, in the past people have built gentoo on the n8x0 devices |
| 23:39.49 | Anidel | lcuk, you mean compiled straight on the device ? :D |
| 23:40.08 | thomaz | initially i just want to get used to it and make sure the sdk works |
| 23:40.11 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | !!!! |
| 23:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | Darius is back! |
| 23:40.31 | lcuk | awww GeneralAntilles you have been waiting patiently |
| 23:40.42 | Anidel | darius? |
| 23:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | Darius for Council 2010! |
| 23:40.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39656 |
| 23:40.57 | lcuk | look at how much you missed him by the number of exclamation points |
| 23:41.13 | lcuk | darius was never a forumfag tho was he? |
| 23:41.28 | GeneralAntilles | He was. |
| 23:41.32 | Anidel | ahhh that darius :) |
| 23:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | Both mailing lists and the forums. |
| 23:41.42 | lcuk | i thought his skills were limited to the mailing lists |
| 23:41.46 | woglinde | lcuk do you still compile native on the devices? |
| 23:41.55 | Anidel | too |
| 23:41.57 | lcuk | woglinde, at the moment, surprisingly no |
| 23:42.05 | ssvb | thomaz: looks like scratchbox is available in portage now |
| 23:42.05 | woglinde | lol |
| 23:42.13 | thomaz | ssvb, awesome |
| 23:42.13 | lcuk | i am not doing much compiling anywhere :S |
| 23:42.21 | lcuk | i spent a bit of time over christmas cleaning stuff up |
| 23:42.22 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, he's in the forum for a while now |
| 23:42.30 | lcuk | but im so wiped out after work |
| 23:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | facepalms at Matan. |
| 23:43.00 | Anidel | lcuk, how is it going with the job? |
| 23:43.18 | lcuk | its hard work Anidel, lots to take in |
| 23:43.39 | Anidel | lcuk, cool, you like it then |
| 23:43.44 | mikhas | lol |
| 23:43.57 | lcuk | yeah very muchly so |
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| 23:44.15 | Anidel | :) |
| 23:44.52 | lcuk | is going to warmer climates very soon too |
| 23:45.05 | ssvb | thomaz: basically there was this bug with ebuilds for a very long time (and I used them myself successfully): http://bugs.gentoo.org/94225 |
| 23:45.09 | lcuk | escaping the cold! |
| 23:45.36 | lcuk | ssvb, you are a gentooer then too? |
| 23:45.42 | thomaz | ssvb, do you run gentoo now? |
| 23:45.55 | Anidel | liked gentoo a lot.. |
| 23:46.37 | mikhas | ... until udev ruined your box? =p |
| 23:47.16 | Anidel | edhehe no until I simply left it.. dunno why actually |
| 23:47.38 | ssvb | thomaz: yes, but right now I'm running it on ppc64 hardware, no scratchbox and maemo sdk here yet :) |
| 23:47.39 | Anidel | but I started from the 16mb iso image and re-compiled everything from scratch |
| 23:47.55 | Anidel | with the right settings.. it took me a week or more to install it.. I liked it :) |
| 23:48.00 | jhford | does the new flasher understand ubifs images, or do i still need to make jffs2 images? |
| 23:48.15 | mikhas | well, compared to how difficult it is to get custom package versions onto an ubuntu box ... yeah, I miss overlays |
| 23:48.55 | mikhas | but actually the best part for me was the vanilla kernel experience. never had a more stable laptop linux |
| 23:49.01 | lcuk | Anidel, about the dock thing: http://liqbase.net/liq.adhoc.stand.front.20100104_004.jpg |
| 23:49.07 | lcuk | super silly but it wfm |
| 23:49.23 | lcuk | (dont be distracted by the color dialog ;)) |
| 23:50.15 | Anidel | the dock thing? |
| 23:50.25 | lcuk | standin dock :D |
| 23:50.39 | lcuk | i needed to have pokability |
| 23:50.56 | Anidel | I think I am missing something... |
| 23:50.58 | lcuk | and when i make a proper on i want to see if i can have power to it |
| 23:51.00 | jhford | Anidel, i cant resist: http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 23:51.02 | lcuk | yes i mentioned up there ^ |
| 23:51.05 | lcuk | just once |
| 23:51.16 | mikhas | jhford, of course - it's true! |
| 23:51.20 | Anidel | lcuk, ... mmm |
| 23:51.27 | Anidel | ehheh jhford |
| 23:52.11 | simula_ | say what you want about gentoo, but their handbooks are so sweet |
| 23:52.53 | jebba | simula_: agreed++ |
| 23:52.55 | jon1012 | is there a telepathy plugin for facebook chat ? |
| 23:53.00 | Anidel | nods and agrees |
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| 23:54.19 | mikhas | well, it was good for learning. |
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| 23:54.44 | mikhas | only that I forgot most if not everything by now |
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| 23:55.56 | ssvb | to make it more fun, I'm also running gentoo on this thing (with real keyboard, LCD monitor and hard drive): http://igep-platform.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=23 :) |
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| 23:56.30 | woglinde | jo jebba |
| 23:56.52 | Chiku | how come conky display 250mhz for n900 ? |
| 23:57.00 | woglinde | ssvb with gles and dsp stuff? |
| 23:57.22 | woglinde | chiku because the conky code is wrong? |
| 23:57.25 | Chiku | powersaving cpu state? |
| 23:58.01 | woglinde | Chiku jupp |
| 23:58.07 | ssvb | woglinde: have not tried SGX and DSP on it yet, just normal linux desktop |
| 23:58.19 | Chiku | oh I make n900 busy and I see 600mhz because back 250mhz |
| 23:58.53 | Chiku | s/because/before |
