| 00:00.13 | Kamui | crap mohammadag, are the fw image files available now at least? |
| 00:00.38 | MohammadAG | Kamui, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 00:00.39 | timeless_mbp | pierlux: hrm |
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| 00:01.04 | timeless_mbp | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libchamplain_0.4.3-0/armel.root.log.OK.txt |
| 00:01.07 | timeless_mbp | doesn't list it |
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| 00:02.43 | timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure that means it isn't building what you think it's building |
| 00:02.51 | pierlux | timeless_mbp, oh I see this system builds an environment just for that! |
| 00:03.13 | luke-jr | :o |
| 00:03.20 | luke-jr | is the Samsung Impression *not* a smartphone? |
| 00:03.22 | timeless_mbp | either the package you want is not gtk-doc-tools and that's already installed |
| 00:03.29 | timeless_mbp | or it didn't build the thing you asked the second time around |
| 00:05.01 | pierlux | timeless_mbp, I'll check if it built the right thing |
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| 00:05.30 | jX | luke-jr: No, it's not |
| 00:06.00 | jX | generally the bar for smartphones is it needs to run linux, winmo, iphone OS, symbian, or RIM's blackberry os. |
| 00:06.08 | ShadowJK | why does my n810 want to upgrade vncviewer to a -fremantle version ... |
| 00:06.10 | Kamui | mo: thanks man |
| 00:06.16 | Kamui | mo, thanks man |
| 00:06.20 | Kamui | damn |
| 00:06.38 | luke-jr | jX: weird. anyhow, it's keyboard seems to feedback nice |
| 00:06.53 | jX | the reasoning is support for third party apps |
| 00:06.58 | Kamui | mohammadag, thanks, no tab completion on the n900 :) |
| 00:07.00 | jX | other than java or brew |
| 00:07.15 | MohammadAG | suffers from the same problem |
| 00:07.17 | MohammadAG | @ Kamui |
| 00:07.25 | MohammadAG | and np |
| 00:08.25 | mtnbkr | GeneralAntilles: anyone else experience N900 removng all or most widgets/contacts/shortcuts etc from the desktop(s)? I have seen this on a few occasions and was hoping that I was not alone and that htere might be a bug for it already. |
| 00:08.45 | Kamui | me too mtnbkr |
| 00:08.52 | Kamui | mountainbiker! |
| 00:09.09 | MohammadAG | never happened here mtnbkr |
| 00:09.15 | MohammadAG | (yet) |
| 00:09.21 | Kamui | happens when root is full |
| 00:09.27 | mtnbkr | Kamui: I just d/l'ed some desktops from the n900wallpaper.com and while trying to choose a new one, my desktops all went to empty. :( |
| 00:09.35 | Kamui | and sometimes when the mmcs are mounted |
| 00:09.38 | timeless_mbp | mtnbkr: open cterm |
| 00:09.46 | timeless_mbp | s/c/x/ |
| 00:09.52 | timeless_mbp | df -h |
| 00:09.55 | timeless_mbp | pastebin the output |
| 00:10.07 | MohammadAG | cterm |
| 00:10.32 | MohammadAG | doesn't autocorrect I guess |
| 00:10.43 | Flandry | pupnik: ping |
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| 00:10.47 | timeless_mbp | ? infobot applied my regexp |
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| 00:10.55 | MohammadAG | open xterm |
| 00:11.00 | MohammadAG | open cterm |
| 00:11.13 | mtnbkr | Kamui: rottfs is 84% and /home shows 1.7GB free |
| 00:11.30 | mtnbkr | trying a paste now. |
| 00:11.39 | Shadikka | Now that's a funky feature in a bot. |
| 00:11.44 | Shadikka | s/\./!/ |
| 00:11.48 | Shadikka | aww. |
| 00:11.55 | timeless_mbp | s/?/=/ |
| 00:12.00 | mtnbkr | almost forgot his PHONE is a high tech computer with web browsing support lol |
| 00:12.06 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't deal w/ escape characters |
| 00:12.15 | Shadikka | s/./!/ |
| 00:12.17 | timeless_mbp | it's more like "replace this fixed string" with "that fixed string" |
| 00:12.20 | Shadikka | So it seems. |
| 00:12.31 | Shadikka | steals the idea for his own bot |
| 00:12.41 | timeless_mbp | infobots are a standard creature |
| 00:12.51 | timeless_mbp | they've been around for well over a decade... |
| 00:13.05 | Flandry | Is there a way to query the current keyboard localization? |
| 00:13.08 | Kamui | mtnbkr hmm, those are the two conditions that cause me to lose half of my widgets |
| 00:13.10 | Shadikka | Haven't had the pleasure of dealing with one before, it seems. |
| 00:13.21 | Kamui | it happens so often im no longer readding them |
| 00:13.25 | pierlux | timeless_mbp, strange, I do save the file with gtk-doc-tools in it and the .dsc file does not contain it :/ |
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| 00:13.56 | pupnik | flandry yes? |
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| 00:14.22 | mtnbkr | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.ca/1740849 |
| 00:14.27 | Flandry | was wondering if you want me to fiddle with the package setup for that port |
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| 00:14.49 | pupnik | only if it would be enjoyable |
| 00:14.54 | Flandry | lol |
| 00:15.25 | pupnik | i will find a way |
| 00:15.26 | MohammadAG | mtnbkr, that should've been @ timeless_mbp |
| 00:15.29 | MohammadAG | thinks |
| 00:15.35 | pupnik | but maybe not this month |
| 00:16.12 | Flandry | well i'd like to see it in the repo, so if it doesn't prove too hairy i'd figure it out |
| 00:16.43 | Flandry | but if you'll get around to it eventually i'll go fix the keyboard bug or something |
| 00:16.47 | Flandry | impossible :P |
| 00:17.17 | pupnik | to detect current layout? ndidnt ukki do that ? |
| 00:18.05 | Flandry | ah i knew someone had |
| 00:18.12 | Flandry | thanks for the memory jog |
| 00:18.48 | mtnbkr | MohammadAG: lol and my command was supports to go to Kamui I think |
| 00:19.02 | MohammadAG | haha |
| 00:19.12 | corecode_ | so what is this mer? |
| 00:19.30 | SpeedEvil | mer is maemo without the closed-source bits or functionality. |
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| 00:19.44 | corecode_ | :) |
| 00:19.46 | SpeedEvil | It boots on n900 - but not much more IIRC. |
| 00:19.53 | SpeedEvil | join #mer |
| 00:19.53 | corecode_ | well that's pointless |
| 00:19.54 | corecode_ | :D |
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| 00:20.03 | SpeedEvil | corecode_: it's pointless at the moment. |
| 00:20.19 | SpeedEvil | corecode_: in a year - hopefully less so. |
| 00:20.46 | pupnik | not pointless to work-on |
| 00:21.25 | corecode_ | seems that mer is mostly concerned with the OS part |
| 00:21.30 | corecode_ | what about the UI components? |
| 00:21.43 | corecode_ | replacements (enhancements?) for the nokia proprietary software? |
| 00:22.42 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:23.10 | SpeedEvil | First it needs to be basically working - with all the hardware working if from the command line. |
| 00:23.20 | SpeedEvil | then it needs UI |
| 00:23.29 | corecode_ | indeed, although UI can be implemented in parallel |
| 00:23.38 | corecode_ | running on maemo |
| 00:24.15 | SpeedEvil | to a degree. |
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| 00:24.21 | SpeedEvil | Some hardware will of course be contended. |
| 00:24.37 | corecode_ | what do you mean? |
| 00:24.39 | SpeedEvil | can't have two apps recieving phone calls. (probably) |
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| 00:25.15 | corecode_ | yes, but can disable the nokia one |
| 00:25.24 | corecode_ | (i hope) |
| 00:25.47 | Kamui | well you cant take pics while in a phone call |
| 00:26.01 | SpeedEvil | Another thing I hope is that some of the nokia stuff gets replaced 1:1 |
| 00:26.02 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: telepathy? |
| 00:26.05 | Kamui | so i figure two apps cant use the audio server at once |
| 00:26.15 | Kamui | err hardware |
| 00:26.33 | corecode_ | pictures and audio? |
| 00:26.38 | Kamui | i know |
| 00:26.48 | Kamui | get on a call and try to take a picture |
| 00:26.55 | corecode_ | waiting for my phone |
| 00:26.58 | Kamui | the camera app refuses s |
| 00:26.59 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I was meaning more like the camera-UI. |
| 00:27.13 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Is there a good reason why it takes 9M of my 256? |
| 00:27.26 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: err - 13 |
| 00:27.28 | corecode_ | that's why i'd like to see alternative open source implementations |
| 00:27.51 | Kamui | camstream |
| 00:27.55 | SpeedEvil | Or BME taking 3 meg? |
| 00:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | ~ping |
| 00:28.25 | infobot | ~pong |
| 00:29.04 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: ... |
| 00:29.06 | SpeedEvil | Or alarmd taking 1.6 when cron takes .6 on my desktop |
| 00:29.10 | luke-jr | [18:24:39] <SpeedEvil> can't have two apps recieving phone calls. (probably) |
| 00:29.14 | luke-jr | that's all I was commenting on |
| 00:29.38 | MohammadAG | uninstalled tutorial-home-applet |
| 00:29.51 | SpeedEvil | Ah - fair enough - your comment was unrelated to my ongoing rant. |
| 00:30.01 | corecode_ | i see a lot of interesting hacking coming up |
| 00:30.10 | matthew- | ok still |
| 00:30.13 | matthew- | can pay someone |
| 00:30.17 | matthew- | for sorting it out for me :D |
| 00:30.18 | luke-jr | corecode_: BME is pretty much a lost cause without more demand |
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| 00:30.34 | corecode_ | who is bme |
| 00:30.37 | luke-jr | or maybe that's better directed to SpeedEvil |
| 00:30.40 | corecode_ | sorry, no phone yet |
| 00:30.43 | luke-jr | BME is the proprietary battery charger driver |
| 00:30.48 | corecode_ | ah i see |
| 00:30.55 | matthew- | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37540&highlight=bloomberg |
| 00:30.56 | matthew- | :) |
| 00:31.27 | luke-jr | and GLES is pretty much a lost cause without someone buying whatever company owns the IP :p |
| 00:31.35 | SpeedEvil | And while it may be complex (though I'm not seeing how) it's no way in hell 3 meg of complex. |
| 00:32.08 | corecode_ | magical operator new? |
| 00:32.23 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: if things were only as complex as they needed to be, we could get by with 32 MB RAM |
| 00:32.59 | corecode_ | hey my 80286 worked quite well with 1MB of RAM |
| 00:34.55 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: btw, BME on my N810 only uses 250 KB RAM |
| 00:36.37 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: not looked at it other than cursorily. |
| 00:36.54 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Fixing my car brakes ATM - which was annoying. |
| 00:36.59 | SpeedEvil | Rust is evil. |
| 00:37.29 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I don't know any way to get actual memory use under Maemo |
| 00:37.45 | luke-jr | under a normal GNU system, it's 'ps -eo size,pid,args | sort -n' |
| 00:37.47 | luke-jr | but BusyBox's ps doesn't support that |
| 00:38.06 | pupnik | the new podcast 'economic thought before adam smith' is amazing |
| 00:38.09 | pupnik | oop |
| 00:39.00 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: htop I was looking at rss |
| 00:39.14 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: which as I understand is mostly accurate - minus shared |
| 00:41.05 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: top/htop? |
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| 00:41.22 | Kamui | anyone whos already flashed got some advice or a guide they can link me too |
| 00:41.34 | Kamui | all ive found are sob stories about bricking :) |
| 00:41.45 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: top doesn't show a useful measure |
| 00:41.53 | luke-jr | no clue on htop |
| 00:42.00 | luke-jr | 'rss' is not useful if you have swap enabled |
| 00:42.03 | luke-jr | at least |
| 00:42.05 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Kamui, |
| 00:42.22 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 00:42.23 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:42.56 | MohammadAG | ~help |
| 00:43.05 | Kamui | thanks, im jumping the gun now :) |
| 00:43.16 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.03 | MohammadAG | pupnik, ~help worked too |
| 00:44.25 | MohammadAG | but seriously, why is wtf a topic in that bot lol |
| 00:49.25 | MohammadAG | srsly no unrar on the N900? |
| 00:50.34 | MohammadAG | nvm, doesn't show up in app mgr |
| 00:50.37 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install unrar |
| 00:51.14 | MohammadAG | done that |
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| 00:51.15 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: RAR is non-free, so shouldn't be used :P |
| 00:51.16 | MohammadAG | as I said it doesn't show up in app mgr |
| 00:51.30 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: app mgr shows user facing apps |
| 00:51.34 | timeless_mbp | rar hardly qualifies |
| 00:51.39 | MohammadAG | facing? |
| 00:51.51 | timeless_mbp | an app that has a gui is user facing |
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| 00:51.57 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, i.e., they have GUIs. |
| 00:52.07 | timeless_mbp | an app that requires a command prompt or works as a service is not |
| 00:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | For the most part, anyway. |
| 00:53.32 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, oh |
| 00:54.28 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 00:54.48 | SpeedEvil | Tesso's website lists as a n900 spare part a combo 128M flash/RAM part |
| 00:54.54 | SpeedEvil | are there normally two of these? |
| 00:55.00 | SpeedEvil | And I wonder why they'd be a spare. |
| 00:55.12 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:55.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's a PoP |
| 00:55.23 | GeneralAntilles | Assembled at the factor |
| 00:55.24 | timeless_mbp | pop? |
| 00:55.30 | GeneralAntilles | So unless you can solder/desolder BGAs |
| 00:55.34 | GeneralAntilles | Package-on-Packago |
| 00:55.39 | SpeedEvil | yes, I know. |
| 00:55.40 | matthew- | Package on package |
| 00:55.47 | SpeedEvil | BGA soldering it's difficult. |
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| 00:56.00 | SpeedEvil | I just don't understand why it's a spare. |
| 00:56.06 | SpeedEvil | isn't difficult |
| 00:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | For anyone in the room who doesn't know what we're talking about: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/ASIC_%2B_Memory_PoP_Schematic.JPG |
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| 00:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, well, it's sold separately. . . . |
| 00:57.03 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: ? |
| 00:57.38 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, the part is bought separately from the SoC. |
| 00:57.47 | GeneralAntilles | So I guess that could make it "spare" in a vague sort of way. |
| 00:58.01 | timeless_mbp | soc? |
| 00:58.07 | GeneralAntilles | System on a Chip |
| 00:58.09 | timeless_mbp | summer of code? |
| 00:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, c'mon, these are super common TLAs in mobile stuff. :P |
| 00:58.43 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=397442&eventPage=1 |
| 00:58.44 | luke-jr | he even capitalized it :P |
| 00:58.51 | timeless_mbp | Google SoC |
| 00:58.57 | timeless_mbp | it's the proper case. |
| 00:58.58 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 00:59.09 | SpeedEvil | yes - however - to list it in a spares list - along with keyboards and such seems odd. |
| 00:59.16 | luke-jr | System-on-Chip is the common TLA |
| 00:59.17 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, context. :P |
| 00:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, indeed. |
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| 01:03.09 | nickangelo | hi, what version of arm is n900? |
| 01:04.29 | nickangelo | ok got it from /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | Cortex A8 |
| 01:05.26 | luke-jr | ARMv7 |
| 01:05.35 | nickangelo | yeah i know but i need version to install gentoo :P |
| 01:05.47 | nickangelo | anyway thanks for help |
| 01:05.48 | luke-jr | nickangelo: #Gentoo-Embedded |
| 01:06.04 | luke-jr | don't expect "ARMv7 generic" will just work on N900 :p |
| 01:06.13 | luke-jr | but there are some guys there who have the specifics |
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| 01:06.34 | Kamui | smexy |
| 01:06.44 | Kamui | maemo 5 is mostly awesome |
| 01:06.45 | nickangelo | luke-jr: i want to chroot only |
| 01:06.50 | luke-jr | nickangelo: i c |
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| 01:07.00 | Kamui | i got the debian chroot working quite nicely |
| 01:07.15 | Kamui | most of those apps are a bit slow though... |
| 01:07.18 | luke-jr | I would want to run Gentoo w/ Maemo chroot <.< |
| 01:07.23 | luke-jr | if I had one |
| 01:08.17 | adalal1 | what about it? |
| 01:08.35 | adalal1 | um, anyone know about a calling card application? |
| 01:08.38 | adalal1 | for maemo |
| 01:09.05 | pupnik | what does such an app do? |
| 01:09.58 | adalal1 | well, create dialplans perhaps, or even a simple application that inserts numbers automatically b4 when the call is placed |
| 01:11.19 | pupnik | it is like another language to me |
| 01:11.50 | pupnik | to dial, i type numbers |
| 01:11.55 | adalal1 | yeah |
| 01:11.57 | pupnik | or click contact |
| 01:12.24 | adalal1 | but to call international, you'd perhaps want the phone to automatically dial a calling card number, which reduces the cost of call |
| 01:12.32 | pupnik | ahh |
| 01:12.49 | pupnik | cool idea |
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| 01:13.00 | adalal1 | pupnik: it's not a new one... |
| 01:13.44 | adalal1 | they've had such apps for symbian |
| 01:13.58 | pupnik | i dont think there is a free/community phone app yet |
| 01:14.10 | adalal1 | i could use asterisk, but that's gonna drain my phone battery |
| 01:14.24 | pupnik | this would be a good feature request imo |
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| 01:15.01 | luke-jr | adalal1: use asterisk at home |
| 01:15.45 | luke-jr | mod the phone app to send it the # you want to dial, then when it gets your incoming call (via cell phone), routes you there |
| 01:15.49 | adalal1 | yeah, but it's a mobile, i'd want to be able to create dialplans on the move |
| 01:16.01 | adalal1 | otherwise i'd just use my asterisk and voip accounts whilst at home |
| 01:16.18 | luke-jr | ... |
| 01:16.23 | luke-jr | you're missing the point |
| 01:16.40 | luke-jr | it can do the simple stuff and remote control the home server |
| 01:16.40 | adalal1 | use my 3g connection to connect to the asterisk at home? |
| 01:16.56 | luke-jr | and only use voice calls when you're ready for voice |
| 01:17.02 | luke-jr | and do the voice call to your home DID |
| 01:17.06 | adalal1 | ahh |
| 01:17.07 | luke-jr | and have that route to the international # |
| 01:17.09 | adalal1 | smart |
| 01:17.12 | adalal1 | well |
| 01:17.26 | adalal1 | i'd want a dialplan on the phone for that... lol, cuz all the contacts are on my phone anyawys |
| 01:17.40 | luke-jr | I said mod the phone app for a reason :P |
| 01:17.58 | adalal1 | hmm |
| 01:18.17 | luke-jr | you'd need to mod Asterisk too probably |
| 01:18.23 | adalal1 | i probably will |
| 01:18.28 | adalal1 | i'll look into it after my exams |
| 01:18.47 | luke-jr | that's the one reason I can't just get a phone and Bluetooth it :P |
| 01:19.07 | adalal1 | lol |
| 01:19.13 | adalal1 | im off to play quake for a bit brb |
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| 01:37.35 | MohammadAG | who knows some stuff about makefiles? |
| 01:37.40 | MohammadAG | as in making makefiles |
| 01:37.43 | MohammadAG | need some help |
| 01:37.43 | corecode_ | here |
| 01:37.44 | luke-jr | <-- |
| 01:37.49 | luke-jr | probably everyone here, actually |
| 01:37.53 | luke-jr | except Macer |
| 01:37.56 | MohammadAG | and me |
| 01:37.59 | corecode_ | okay, luke is in a better tz |
| 01:38.07 | luke-jr | lol? |
| 01:38.07 | corecode_ | so i'll go to bed |
| 01:38.12 | corecode_ | are you not? |
| 01:38.16 | luke-jr | Central US |
| 01:38.20 | corecode_ | there you go |
| 01:38.23 | luke-jr | :p |
| 01:38.27 | corecode_ | central europe |
| 01:38.32 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: ask your question before corecode_ leaves |
| 01:38.34 | luke-jr | just in case |
| 01:38.50 | corecode_ | tic |
| 01:38.51 | corecode_ | tac |
| 01:38.55 | luke-jr | toe |
| 01:38.56 | corecode_ | tic tac |
| 01:38.57 | MohammadAG | I'm trying to package the binaries into a debg |
| 01:38.59 | MohammadAG | -g |
| 01:39.00 | corecode_ | (clock sound) |
| 01:39.09 | corecode_ | deb != make |
| 01:39.10 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: that has nothing to do with make |
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| 01:39.14 | MohammadAG | and it's not copying the binary itself into the deb file |
| 01:39.24 | MohammadAG | it does |
| 01:39.30 | corecode_ | deb is calling make install |
| 01:39.35 | MohammadAG | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 01:39.37 | corecode_ | but binary not appearing in staging area? |
| 01:40.05 | corecode_ | zzz |
| 01:40.08 | MohammadAG | install part in makefile |
| 01:40.09 | MohammadAG | install: |
| 01:40.09 | MohammadAG | cp braek /usr/bin |
| 01:40.09 | MohammadAG | cp braek-nographics.desktop /usr/share/hildon |
| 01:40.12 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: make install DESTDIR="$PWD/ii" |
| 01:40.13 | corecode_ | ouch cp |
| 01:40.15 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: does that work? |
| 01:40.19 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 01:40.30 | MohammadAG | nomis, that's the problem, prolly asked the wrong person to help last night :/ |
| 01:40.42 | MohammadAG | -mis |
| 01:40.42 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: that's a broken Makefile |
| 01:40.49 | MohammadAG | that's what I said :) |
| 01:40.53 | luke-jr | :) |
| 01:41.03 | corecode_ | dunno about deb, but i guess DESTDIR safe, possibly also PREFIX would be good |
| 01:41.22 | MohammadAG | I just need to copy the modified braek binary to /usr/bin |
| 01:41.35 | corecode_ | install -m 555 -o root -g root braek ${DESTDIR}${PREFIX}/bin |
| 01:41.36 | MohammadAG | and the makefile in the source doesn't have an install part |
| 01:41.36 | corecode_ | and before have |
| 01:41.39 | corecode_ | PREFIX=/usr |
| 01:41.48 | luke-jr | corecode_: that should be $(), no? |
| 01:41.54 | corecode_ | luke-jr: both work |
| 01:41.56 | luke-jr | and PREFIX := /usr |
| 01:42.01 | luke-jr | one works better :P |
| 01:42.03 | corecode_ | :=? |
| 01:42.13 | luke-jr | := can be overridden by make cmdline |
| 01:42.22 | corecode_ | = should as well |
| 01:42.24 | luke-jr | PREFIX=/usr forces it IIRC |
| 01:42.38 | corecode_ | := just evaluates the macros |
| 01:42.38 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/d11765f3d |
| 01:42.41 | corecode_ | FOO=1 |
| 01:42.46 | corecode_ | FOO=${FOO} 2 |
| 01:42.49 | corecode_ | -> error |
| 01:42.55 | corecode_ | FOO:= ${FOO} 2 |
| 01:42.56 | corecode_ | 1 2 |
| 01:42.57 | corecode_ | works |
| 01:42.58 | corecode_ | etc. |
| 01:43.00 | corecode_ | zzz |
| 01:43.29 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, so is the makefile good now? |
| 01:43.33 | MohammadAG | pastebin link above |
| 01:44.20 | luke-jr | I guess |
| 01:44.30 | MohammadAG | well, testing |
| 01:44.30 | pupnik | in makefiles i always see brackets and not parens |
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| 01:45.20 | MohammadAG | still not copying it |
| 01:45.32 | MohammadAG | how do i list files in dpkg again? |
| 01:45.40 | MohammadAG | dpkg -what *.deb? |
| 01:48.30 | luke-jr | pupnik: I've never seen brackets for variable expansion |
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| 01:50.58 | pupnik | -l ? |
| 01:51.12 | pupnik | where do you see brackets? |
| 01:51.41 | angasule | note to self: lock the touch screen before cleaning it |
| 01:53.27 | pupnik | times of london is SOOOO BUSTED! |
| 01:53.31 | pupnik | hahahahaha |
| 01:53.39 | pupnik | what a piece of shit |
| 01:53.45 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 01:54.24 | MohammadAG | note to self: http://www.youfail.org/ |
| 01:54.46 | luke-jr | pupnik: comparisons |
| 01:54.47 | pupnik | speedevil - publishing fabricated documents |
| 01:54.56 | pupnik | they just got busted |
| 01:54.58 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, install: cannot create regular file `/home/mohammad/braek-1.1/braek-1.1/debian/braek/usr/bin': No such file or directory |
| 01:55.06 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: what docs? |
| 01:55.51 | luke-jr | meh |
| 01:56.16 | pupnik | http://kaosradioaustin.org/audio/download/24039/Anti-War_Radio_%281pm_on_Jan_6th%2C_2010%29.mp3 |
| 01:56.21 | pupnik | all the scoop |
| 01:56.33 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: install -d $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX){,/bin} |
| 01:57.08 | pupnik | oops n900 fell to floor from cable stumble |
| 01:57.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:57.59 | MohammadAG | same problem |
| 01:58.08 | MohammadAG | pupnik, any carpet on the floor? |
| 01:58.58 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, http://pastebin.com/d478c48d2 |
| 01:59.26 | pupnik | stone |
| 01:59.44 | luke-jr | pizza |
| 01:59.57 | pupnik | battery flew out. no scrateches, all works fine |
| 01:59.58 | MohammadAG | pupnik, anything happened to it? |
| 02:00.16 | MohammadAG | I dropped my N97 to concrete a week before I sold it |
| 02:00.24 | luke-jr | ... |
| 02:00.46 | MohammadAG | battery cover got a dent or two |
| 02:01.13 | MohammadAG | nothing else got broken |
| 02:01.42 | MohammadAG | when double clicking the deb file I can only see /usr/bin Selection is a directory luke-jr |
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| 02:08.13 | MohammadAG | so luke-jr any idea? |
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| 02:42.09 | MohammadAG | is one step away from giving up |
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| 02:54.37 | MohammadAG | gives up and postpones it for tomorrow |
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| 03:03.04 | Jef91 | howdy all |
| 03:03.11 | pupnik | wb Jef91 |
| 03:03.37 | pupnik | hows the maemo hackingoing |
| 03:03.38 | Jef91 | anyone know if there is a reason why the default terminal doesn't remember the last commands I entered? |
| 03:03.54 | pupnik | arrow up should work |
| 03:04.03 | pupnik | history is not |
| 03:04.10 | Jef91 | it displays commands |
| 03:04.25 | Jef91 | but not last one I entered... |
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| 03:04.40 | Jef91 | talking about when i close terminal and reopen it later |
| 03:05.01 | pupnik | hmm dunno how that works exactly |
| 03:05.10 | Jef91 | as for the maemo hacking, I have optifyed my first two packages using scratchbox :) |
| 03:05.17 | pupnik | nice |
| 03:06.10 | pupnik | doesnt work here |
| 03:06.14 | pupnik | what did u do |
| 03:06.56 | pupnik | add the optify command to rules? |
| 03:07.53 | pupnik | i am pressing reesume on a download |
| 03:08.23 | Jef91 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO |
| 03:08.50 | ali1234 | shell history badness is a common problem with busybox |
| 03:08.51 | Jef91 | sorry about the delay, my AT&T 2.5g net is slow on my N900 |
| 03:09.04 | ali1234 | i wish i knew how to fix it, i'm sure there is a way |
| 03:09.27 | Jef91 | ali1234 is there a different default terminal I can use on maemo? |
| 03:09.42 | ali1234 | dunno. it isn't a problem of the terminal, but the shell |
| 03:09.57 | ali1234 | i think someone installed bash |
| 03:10.01 | ali1234 | that ought to fix it |
| 03:10.16 | ali1234 | don't know exactly how to install it though |
| 03:10.25 | Jef91 | huh |
| 03:10.45 | Jef91 | anyone else have issues with the enter button/arrow keys in gmail? |
| 03:16.48 | Jef91 | wow gmail does not play nice with the maemo browser! |
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| 03:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | Jef91, try one of the mobile or HTML versions. |
| 03:17.31 | GeneralAntilles | Or just use Modest. |
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| 03:17.57 | dick-richardson | anyone know of a port of (or repository for) gnumeric for fremantle? |
| 03:18.07 | Jef91 | yea yea... doing that now |
| 03:18.23 | Jef91 | not yet dick, its on my todo list thehehe |
| 03:18.24 | dick-richardson | any offline spreadsheet, really |
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| 03:18.45 | dick-richardson | Jef91: sweet! |
| 03:19.36 | Jef91 | I plan to do it as well as Abiword after I get wxMaxima optifyed |
| 03:19.56 | Jef91 | baring someone doesn't beat me to it |
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| 03:58.16 | kamui__ | jeez, I was gonna start working on porting abiword next |
| 03:58.22 | kamui__ | but it has like 20 deps |
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| 04:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | kamui__, there's also already a port. ;) |
| 04:04.56 | kamui__ | for maemo 5? |
| 04:05.14 | kamui__ | I think I saw something about running it only in debian on the N900 |
| 04:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | For Maemo 4. |
| 04:05.38 | GeneralAntilles | But it's a better starting point than scratch. ;) |
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| 04:06.56 | kamui__ | definately |
| 04:07.49 | kamui__ | cd abils |
| 04:07.50 | kamui__ | oops |
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| 04:15.52 | Flandry | porting for maemo is like quicksand |
| 04:16.26 | Flandry | it seems no big deal at first, then it sucks you in :P |
| 04:18.37 | go1dfish | runs quite well from debian, even in the maemo WM |
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| 04:19.01 | kamui__ | sorry, I got distracted :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUq1Kb5OTI&feature=related |
| 04:19.27 | kamui__ | go1dfish, you talkin about abiword? |
| 04:19.55 | kamui__ | do the apps run natively in the chroot, or only through xephyr |
| 04:20.04 | kamui__ | I never tried, and I have no idea why not :) |
| 04:21.20 | pupnik | question is wrong |
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| 04:24.17 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so, i'm in the middle of writing a really stupid series of scripts |
| 04:24.28 | timeless_mbp | but hopefully once they're done, i'll be in a closer to publishing state :) |
| 04:24.39 | timeless_mbp | (this is an alternate path to a meeting scheduled for a few hours from now) |
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| 04:26.59 | davetha | Hello, I have an N900, and was wondering if by default its supposed to have the py* bind mounts, or is this due to a package dependency that I installed? |
| 04:27.14 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 04:27.24 | timeless_mbp | maemo5 doesn't include python |
| 04:27.36 | timeless_mbp | so if you have anything relating to python, someone added it |
| 04:28.53 | timeless_mbp | thinks that's right |
| 04:29.24 | pupnik | the py bind mounts are currently needed for python to work |
| 04:29.32 | davetha | Its /opt/pymaemo I'll see what package installed, it thanks... I thought I was being careful avoiding python related applications since there were so many deps for them. |
| 04:29.43 | timeless_mbp | for me, that's things like 'maemo-periodic', and 'gpodder' |
| 04:29.44 | pupnik | yeah i tried also |
| 04:29.57 | timeless_mbp | 'solarwolf' ... |
| 04:30.06 | timeless_mbp | apt-cache rdepends pythong |
| 04:30.10 | timeless_mbp | sg// |
| 04:30.14 | timeless_mbp | gah |
| 04:30.15 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 04:30.19 | timeless_mbp | apt-cache rdepends python |
| 04:30.19 | pupnik | awesome |
| 04:30.36 | davetha | Yeah, I've been usually just compiling similar applications that don't use Python |
| 04:30.45 | pupnik | pythong.. cause it crawls up your crack |
| 04:30.51 | timeless_mbp | also 'mirror' |
| 04:30.58 | davetha | pupnik, lol |
| 04:31.20 | davetha | I just noticed this IRC community, this is awesome. |
| 04:31.46 | davetha | When I joined I was hoping for... oh maybe 10 people?... 400+ is pretty nice. |
| 04:32.04 | pupnik | most wisely silent |
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| 04:33.19 | pupnik | davetha, it is also a searchable resource. often i find solutions in the logs |
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| 04:34.15 | celesteh | i just got the n900 today! it is so cool! |
| 04:34.32 | timeless_mbp | yeah, ++ to people who search the logs |
| 04:34.40 | timeless_mbp | but it's 6:30am in some parts of the world |
| 04:34.44 | timeless_mbp | so most people should be sleeping |
| 04:35.06 | davetha | pupnik, Yeah I'll find it in a sec, I was just wondering because I was trying not to bloat it up with Python |
| 04:35.26 | timeless_mbp | is trying to figure out how to generate a useful 'diff' |
| 04:35.56 | pupnik | davetha, or just dont worry about it |
| 04:36.19 | pupnik | can free up space if needed. locales.. |
| 04:37.00 | davetha | pupnik, I'd rather not have crap laying around. Getting rid of some locales is a good idea :P |
| 04:39.16 | pupnik | you can get by without pythong, but some of the handiest apps use it |
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| 04:40.20 | davetha | There are usually open source applications that are similar that are written in other languages. |
| 04:40.42 | Jef91 | Howdy All |
| 04:41.15 | pupnik | youtube, gpodder |
| 04:41.20 | pupnik | zoutube |
| 04:41.27 | pupnik | damn qwertz |
| 04:41.44 | Jef91 | lol |
| 04:42.06 | Jef91 | Anyone know if there is a CLI command I can use to upload a file to a server? |
| 04:42.21 | pupnik | i built lftp |
| 04:42.37 | pupnik | curl can do it too |
| 04:44.12 | Jef91 | hrm. |
| 04:44.31 | Jef91 | Anyone have like 20megs of server space somewhere I could upload a few debs to? |
| 04:44.51 | Jef91 | I optifyed a few packages but I currently have no way to get them off my sandbox server lol |
| 04:45.09 | pupnik | t.m.o lets you attach small debs |
| 04:45.17 | Jef91 | tmo? |
| 04:45.35 | pupnik | talk.maemo.org |
| 04:45.37 | davetha | Jef91, Just need FTP & Apache? |
| 04:45.53 | Jef91 | davetha just somewhere I can upload a couple files to from a cli |
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| 04:46.27 | davetha | Jef91, is this for development or just to test? |
| 04:48.14 | Jef91 | davetha testing the first couple of debian packages I've optifyed, want to see if they work on my N900 |
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| 04:48.34 | davetha | ah ok |
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| 04:50.40 | davetha | Jef91, check PM |
| 04:53.56 | pupnik | Jef91: to test, i scp package to MyDocs,then as root install with dpkg -i |
| 04:54.07 | pupnik | no needto dl from internet |
| 04:55.26 | Jef91 | pupnik I know this - but a friend gave me access to their sandbox server online, but left me no way of getting the files off of it |
| 04:55.38 | Jef91 | Thus why I need a place to upload where I can download them to my phone |
| 04:56.07 | pupnik | ahh |
| 04:57.41 | pupnik | 'phone' is kind of a misnomer. why not 'camera' or 'radio'... |
| 04:57.53 | pupnik | we prefer 'device' |
| 05:00.56 | Jef91 | Computer, whatever |
| 05:01.12 | Jef91 | Man I can't find a solid example of using sftp anywhere xD |
| 05:02.12 | Jef91 | I always forget how many message boards I have accounts on until my birthday rolls around |
| 05:02.16 | Jef91 | Sooo many emails |
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| 05:05.41 | davetha | Ah, found why those mounts were there... pymaemo-optify didn't remove correctly |
| 05:08.41 | go1dfish | pupnik: maybe just 'mobile' is a better term |
| 05:08.46 | go1dfish | device is way too generic |
| 05:09.22 | pupnik | not bad |
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| 05:18.29 | Jef91 | thanks davetha |
| 05:18.37 | davetha | No problem sir |
| 05:18.40 | Jef91 | Got my files uploaded, downloading to my n900 now :) |
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| 05:43.57 | Jef91 | Anyone know if I can edit the required version of a dependency for a package? |
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| 05:53.44 | davetha | hex? :P |
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| 05:56.25 | davetha | Jef91, where is the package? |
| 05:57.05 | Jef91 | davetha on your ftp haha |
| 05:57.27 | davetha | which package name? |
| 05:57.28 | Jef91 | the maxima package |
| 05:57.56 | davetha | and what is it complaining about? |
| 05:57.57 | davetha | which dep |
| 05:58.40 | Jef91 | libc6 and libgcc1 |
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| 05:59.10 | deadpooln900 | hello there?!? |
| 05:59.42 | deadpooln900 | anyone about who could possibly help me?! |
| 06:01.46 | davetha | Jef91, do you need it to not depend on libc6 and libgcc? |
| 06:02.07 | davetha | Currently it depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.3), libgmp3c2, libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), libsm6, libx11-6, libxaw7, libxext6, libxmu6, libxt6, gnuplot-nox |
| 06:02.12 | Jef91 | daetha just earlier version of it |
| 06:02.21 | Jef91 | davetha the versions that maemo has |
| 06:03.47 | davetha | No idea what it has |
| 06:03.47 | davetha | lol |
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| 06:04.24 | ali1234 | i would just like to point out that this is another reason why using depends to force library upgrades is a terrible idea if the packages don't actually need the latest library version |
| 06:04.42 | deadpooln900 | im quite newto all this had my n900 a couple of weeks and trying to install pidgin for facebook but i need to save a file to /usr/lib/purple-2/ but it wont let me choose locations outside of N900 folder |
| 06:04.57 | Jef91 | let me see |
| 06:05.29 | Jef91 | libc 2.5.1 |
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| 06:05.46 | Jef91 | and libgcc1 1:4.2.1 |
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| 06:06.10 | Jef91 | how do you edit that?... |
| 06:06.28 | ali1234 | deadpooln900: you'll have to use the x-term, and you'll probably need root access too |
| 06:06.37 | davetha | ar vx debpackagehere |
| 06:06.46 | davetha | it will then give you 2 tarballs |
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| 06:07.45 | Jef91 | doesn't work on my n900 >.< |
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| 06:08.08 | deadpooln900 | ali1234: i can manage to gain root access but i dont know how to move files with commands. |
| 06:08.37 | Jef91 | mv /path/to/file /place/to/put/file |
| 06:08.51 | davetha | maxima-new_5.13.0-3.1_armel.deb |
| 06:08.58 | davetha | check out that, see if it works |
| 06:10.11 | Jef91 | kk trying now |
| 06:10.30 | davetha | It may not work, but give it a try |
| 06:11.11 | Jef91 | lol just a moment, my internet is horridly slow |
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| 06:13.33 | Jef91 | davetha: No dice |
| 06:13.38 | Jef91 | same versions required listed |
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| 06:16.54 | deadpooln900 | that worked!! thank you! |
| 06:18.01 | davetha | Can you force install it? |
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| 06:21.25 | Jef91 | heading off peace all |
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| 06:29.56 | celesteh | hey, i have a question: is maemo mapper out for the new phone? |
| 06:31.02 | celesteh | it is my favourite app, but i'm not finding it searching maemo.org |
| 06:31.13 | arachnist | celesteh: yes, there is a version of it available |
| 06:31.26 | arachnist | celesteh: but i think it's still in extras-devel |
| 06:33.49 | celesteh | so it's early beta? |
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| 06:36.57 | red | one could assume so :p |
| 06:38.37 | cehteh | considering all its bugs it will stay there for some time :P |
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| 06:40.02 | celesteh | the version i was running on the n800 wasn't very buggy. is it just not porting well t the new OS? |
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| 06:40.28 | celesteh | heh, it's partly why i got the n900 instead of another smart phone. maybe i should have done more research |
| 06:40.37 | tenfar | what's the best for Nokia N770? |
| 06:45.22 | luke-jr | trash bin |
| 06:45.23 | luke-jr | :) |
| 06:46.34 | arachnist | well, it has usb host |
| 06:46.50 | arachnist | one might use it as a wifi-enabled NAS |
| 06:48.47 | tenfar | hi |
| 06:49.22 | tenfar | what is a cost of get a Nokia N900 |
| 06:50.13 | luke-jr | about $600 |
| 06:50.18 | luke-jr | in the US |
| 06:50.22 | luke-jr | I hear it's $1000 in Russia |
| 06:50.28 | flux | I wonder what happened to that guy who was wondering about getting one off the web for $330, from some slightly suspicious vendor.. |
| 06:50.41 | luke-jr | flux: that'd be me :) |
| 06:50.54 | tenfar | so.i cant offer one |
| 06:50.55 | arachnist | about 2500pln ($880) in poland |
| 06:50.55 | flux | luke-jr, so did you do it?-) |
| 06:51.01 | luke-jr | flux: nope, not yet anyhow |
| 06:51.11 | luke-jr | tenfar: huh? |
| 06:51.18 | tenfar | about 7000 yuan in China? |
| 06:51.48 | flux | I paid $820 for mine in Finland, I suppose it can be bought for around $800 though |
| 06:52.06 | tenfar | i dont have that much money to buy a N900 so i still using N770 |
| 06:52.28 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 06:52.39 | luke-jr | Google claims Nexus One is "open source" |
| 06:52.41 | flux | tenfar, I think you mean "afford" instead of "offer" then? |
| 06:52.42 | luke-jr | is it really, I wonder? |
| 06:52.54 | tenfar | yes .you are right flux |
| 06:54.34 | tenfar | in China these device are very expensive.but a used N700 is just $60USD |
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| 06:56.23 | tenfar | how can i build a bin format firmware for OS2007 Hacker Edition |
| 06:56.36 | tenfar | is there any tools |
| 06:56.53 | tenfar | i have make a custom rootfs.jffs2 |
| 07:00.21 | ShadowJK | " |
| 07:02.46 | Slasheri | hmm.. "no more PTYs".. those 4 ptys aren't enough for me, running multiple screen windows in debian chroot background.. |
| 07:02.51 | Slasheri | maybe time to compile a custom kernel |
| 07:03.22 | arachnist | no |
| 07:03.32 | cehteh | you can configure that in /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 07:03.33 | arachnist | there's a sysctl you can set |
| 07:03.40 | Slasheri | oh! that's great! |
| 07:03.42 | cehteh | eyactly |
| 07:05.09 | ShadowJK | echo 64 >/proc/sys/kernel/pty/max |
| 07:05.20 | ShadowJK | I forget if it's kern or kernel |
| 07:05.53 | Slasheri | ShadowJK: thanks, that works great :) |
| 07:06.32 | tenfar | how to pack kernel initfs rootfs secondloder to one bin file? |
| 07:06.54 | Slasheri | maybe it's best to put that in sysctl.conf |
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| 07:15.42 | RST38h | Nyko Wand+... hmmm... |
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| 07:17.35 | cehteh | uhm .. charging over usb sux :P |
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| 07:19.29 | ShadowJK | heh. outgoing calls don't work, internet over cellular doesn't work. got "General Error" or something like that, I don't remember, when I tried calling... let's see how to get it working |
| 07:19.45 | RST38h | moo, cehteh, ShadowJK |
| 07:19.51 | ShadowJK | tries switching network mode from dual to 3g |
| 07:20.37 | cehteh | a statusbar switcher for that would be nice |
| 07:21.12 | ShadowJK | hm, that didn't work |
| 07:21.46 | ShadowJK | switches back to dual |
| 07:22.53 | ShadowJK | tries gsm |
| 07:23.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: contact your carrier's hotline ;-) |
| 07:24.08 | ShadowJK | yeah the other phone with same number works fine |
| 07:24.56 | ShadowJK | now how do you get some fucking diagnostics out of this thing... |
| 07:25.13 | RST38h | "actuaries have beaten software engineers - just - to scoop the title of best job to have in 2010" |
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| 07:25.38 | ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: they'll just tell me something silly like "have you tried turning it off and on again?" |
| 07:26.00 | ShadowJK | this is an always-on(line) device, damnit! :) |
| 07:26.13 | ShadowJK | tries offline mode |
| 07:26.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: if same sim works in other phone - then yes that's all you get for advice |
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| 07:28.26 | ShadowJK | well I haven't tried swap sim cards around |
| 07:28.50 | ShadowJK | after switching back to online mode, wlan no longer workd either |
| 07:29.01 | ShadowJK | types this on n810 now :-/ |
| 07:29.53 | ShadowJK | (and gsm/3g still doesn't work) |
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| 07:31.35 | ShadowJK | tries manual network search |
| 07:32.19 | ShadowJK | Somehow I have a feeling that even with syslog installed this thing wouldn't give any useful diagnostics :/ |
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| 07:35.16 | ShadowJK | oh, hm, wifi came back, kinda |
| 07:36.11 | ShadowJK | it's only finding the far-away AP... |
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| 07:41.23 | ShadowJK | bleh |
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| 07:44.21 | ShadowJK | gives up and reboots it |
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| 07:45.13 | ShadowJK | and it immediately boots with phone signal... sigh. |
| 07:45.48 | villager | I had to reboot it yesterday to make it connect to wlans again |
| 07:46.05 | villager | the software still has bunch of "reboot to fix this" bugs... |
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| 07:49.24 | ShadowJK | I wonder how to even begin collecting any info on those things... |
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| 07:50.26 | ShadowJK | Ok so fine you can put a bunch of "device loses cellular and wifi and needs reboot" into bugs.maemo.org, but that's probably not going to go anywhere |
| 07:50.55 | RST38h | But at least you will get personal satisfaction from filing these :) |
| 07:51.55 | mece | interestingly, I've never rebooted my device |
| 07:52.00 | mece | works fine. |
| 07:52.26 | RST38h | for how long? |
| 07:52.35 | mece | Battery has died on me a couple of times though. |
| 07:52.54 | ShadowJK | for personal satisfaction I'd rather fill stuff like '"General Error' does not describe the error nor help the user resolve the error' type things |
| 07:52.56 | mece | 3 days 15 hours says uptime |
| 07:52.57 | cehteh | ShadowJK: i have the problem here that it cant acquire an ip address from my AP, dunno what causes it |
| 07:52.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: not really. futile effort |
| 07:53.19 | cehteh | prolly my crappy AP .. now i gave it a static ip, that works |
| 07:53.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: my last uptime was 14d |
| 07:53.48 | mece | RST38h I've had the device since december 4th. It has never rebooted itself and it has never needed a reboot. |
| 07:54.01 | ShadowJK | Oh I have it set to static IP address and it was still giving me errors about not finding ip address...lol |
| 07:54.02 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, pretty cool |
| 07:54.10 | cehteh | uhm remind me to send my device back |
| 07:54.14 | RST38h | mece: And it is not slow? |
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| 07:54.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | then I forced reboot as microb got greedy |
| 07:54.50 | RST38h | mece: When you try making a photo, it does not lag? |
| 07:55.04 | RST38h | ShadowJK: yuk! |
| 07:55.06 | ShadowJK | I had about 30 days uptime, but then I switched it off to lend the sim card to my cousin's laptop, I wasn't carrying any spare cards, and the boot after that became prettty short :/ |
| 07:55.21 | mece | RST38h, no, not really. But then again only 3 days uptime right now.. |
| 07:55.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: (lag) no |
| 07:55.36 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: vaccuming firefox (and possibly microb's) sqlite database massively improves performance at least on desktop systems but prolly for any sqlite database also on the n900 |
| 07:55.48 | mece | RST38h, sometimes it does. I just took a photo. About 1 second of "processing image" was the most lag I got. |
| 07:56.40 | mece | cehteh, how does one go about vacuuming it? |
| 07:57.30 | ShadowJK | just disable swap and browserd goes aieee can't live without swap, and proceeds to suicide |
| 07:58.17 | cehteh | mece: close all apps accessing that db, mand then commandline echo "VACUUM;" | sqlite3 the_db.sqlite |
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| 07:58.51 | cehteh | waits for ramz becoming available for the n900 |
| 07:58.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | killall browserd usually helps a lot here whenever things come to a grinding halt |
| 07:59.33 | cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=363118#post363118 |
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| 08:00.41 | cehteh | lemme try the test package |
| 08:02.22 | ShadowJK | is that formmaemo4 or maemo5 |
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| 08:06.24 | cehteh | looks like for mamemo4 but he claims he has some test builds for maemo5 |
| 08:07.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems keeping pages with JS or flash(!) open for hours and days makes browserd act greedy |
| 08:08.13 | cehteh | what do you expect? |
| 08:08.18 | cehteh | its a firefox browser :P |
| 08:09.27 | ShadowJK | I know pages that consume all ram in <1hour :) |
| 08:10.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | funny thing last time I run into that was: everything fine until inbound call. inbound call GUI was a little sluggish but worked in the end. Just when I finished call, almost everything even to X borked |
| 08:11.06 | ShadowJK | wwttff aallll kkeeyyss aarree rreepepeaatteedd ttwwiiccee nnooww oonn nn990000 |
| 08:11.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | hahaha |
| 08:11.34 | Muhvi | nice effect |
| 08:11.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | parkinson? |
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| 08:11.54 | ShadowJK | maybe osk still works |
| 08:12.04 | ShadowJK | oh it does |
| 08:12.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | no kidding? |
| 08:12.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | then that's really funny |
| 08:12.47 | ShadowJK | ok, either activating the osk or closing the slide fixed it |
| 08:12.56 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK, lol. i had same bug |
| 08:12.59 | ShadowJK | I'm not making this up |
| 08:13.13 | cehteh | always runs firefox in a kill/restart loop |
| 08:13.21 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK, can't repeat it, though. |
| 08:13.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | a pretty nice one |
| 08:13.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | kbd driver loaded twice - or sth |
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| 08:15.41 | ShadowJK | I was typing in a ip at the time it happened, doing double Fn alot |
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| 08:18.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | never had that. if it's triggered by double Fn it's a bug in kbd driver itself |
| 08:18.58 | cehteh | ShadowJK: typing ip's really sux with the input method i usually lock Fn and then type ne numbers only 127001 then unlock and adding the dots |
| 08:19.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 08:20.17 | ShadowJK | heh, why didn't I think of that.. |
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| 08:20.37 | mece | cehteh, me too. It would be nice with . working with fnlock... that would make it soo much faster. |
| 08:20.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe because it,s just as painfull |
| 08:21.02 | ShadowJK | ok. wtf. now I'm getting 5mbit on 3g/hspa |
| 08:21.18 | cehteh | mece: or a special widget for entering ip's |
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| 08:21.25 | cehteh | [].[].[].[] |
| 08:21.33 | mece | umm? |
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| 08:21.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | won't help much on terminal |
| 08:21.50 | ShadowJK | but that's as much åain copy/pasting it into xterm... |
| 08:21.52 | cehteh | yeah |
| 08:21.54 | ShadowJK | pain* |
| 08:22.15 | mece | cehteh, I didn't follow the discussion really. I usually only type ip's in xterm. |
| 08:22.20 | cehteh | well i just ssh to the device when i need serious keyboarding |
| 08:22.31 | ShadowJK | 600kbytes/sec download on hspa... I'm only paying for 2mbit :) |
| 08:22.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | tweak xmodmap (or whatever) |
| 08:22.41 | cehteh | i did |
| 08:22.42 | slonopotamus | curses fremantle symbols kb |
| 08:22.46 | mece | ShadowJK, perhaps they forgot to limit it. |
| 08:22.57 | cehteh | well last flashing prolly destroyed it grr |
| 08:23.19 | cehteh | shift-space=tab shift-return=escape |
| 08:23.21 | ShadowJK | mece: maybe, and this is 7.2M down to 5M due to distance |
| 08:23.22 | mece | ShadowJK, I have 384Mbit limit, but it's over 1Mb on the upload :D |
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| 08:23.42 | ShadowJK | kbit you mean? ;p |
| 08:24.02 | mece | ShadowJK, haha lol yes. the slowest possible. I'm poor, and have wlan mostly. |
| 08:25.00 | ShadowJK | the 2mbit was a special offer at 9.90€ :) |
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| 08:26.03 | RST38h | slonopotamus: BTW, I have found a way to switch kbd layouts on the fly |
| 08:26.07 | RST38h | Physical layouts that is |
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| 08:30.07 | cehteh | Physical layouts as in moving keycaps? :) |
| 08:30.29 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.38 | cehteh | for changing the mapping |
| 08:31.44 | cehteh | RST38h: btw there i a funny bug in xchat |
| 08:32.19 | cehteh | tap on the channel text or select something, here it inserts a space (or some random character) before the selection |
| 08:32.32 | cehteh | prolly some off-by-one error re-rendering text |
| 08:33.23 | RST38h | cehteh: Mhhhm |
| 08:33.35 | cehteh | seen it? |
| 08:33.38 | RST38h | cehteh: I will check. Could you email me about this, so that it stays in the mailbox |
| 08:33.41 | RST38h | no have not seen it |
| 08:33.48 | cehteh | your mail is? |
| 08:33.58 | RST38h | see msg |
| 08:34.26 | cehteh | ok |
| 08:37.09 | cehteh | test |
| 08:38.03 | ceh900 | reconf |
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| 08:45.31 | ShadowJK | sent 68 bytes received 535045682 bytes 749888.93 bytes/sec |
| 08:45.38 | ShadowJK | hspa :o |
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| 08:47.48 | niqt | hi |
| 08:48.19 | niqt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:59.30 | RST38h | cehteh: You applied ZAGG's invisible shield, right? |
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| 09:11.35 | RST38h | Anyone here ever applied Invisible Shield? |
| 09:12.17 | slonopotamus_ | nope, only Boots of Speed |
| 09:12.22 | slonopotamus_ | :P |
| 09:12.48 | ifreq | lol |
| 09:15.30 | RST38h | strongly suspects he will end up claiming money back from ZAGG =( |
| 09:15.35 | RST38h | But let us wait for 24 hours |
| 09:15.44 | furunk3l | hehe |
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| 09:16.04 | Arkenoi | what's wrong with it? |
| 09:16.07 | ccooke | Morning, all |
| 09:16.12 | furunk3l | morning |
| 09:16.28 | Arkenoi | and why did you order it if you have that fabric case already? |
| 09:17.45 | RST38h | Arkenoi: bubbles |
| 09:17.58 | RST38h | Arkenoi: want to protect the display against my own fingers |
| 09:18.14 | cehteh | RST38h: nope i have a DuraSec HighTec |
| 09:18.36 | cehteh | not really satisfied, thick rubbery thing |
| 09:18.49 | cehteh | but works and certainly protects excellent |
| 09:19.11 | konttori_nokia | does anybody know if the opengl python bindings are coming any time soon (or does pygame already have them) |
| 09:19.21 | cehteh | RST38h: wait a few days, bubbles usually gas out and vanish |
| 09:19.57 | RST38h | cehteh: these are 2-3mm in diameter |
| 09:20.02 | cehteh | my protectot first looked really ugly. a lot tinly bubbles/milky look |
| 09:20.12 | cehteh | uh then you applied it wrong |
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| 09:20.19 | RST38h | applied it right |
| 09:20.22 | cehteh | heh |
| 09:20.23 | RST38h | exactly as directed |
| 09:20.27 | cehteh | then wait a few days |
| 09:20.40 | cehteh | my protector is now like a 2nd skin |
| 09:20.41 | RST38h | ok, I will... |
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| 09:21.11 | cehteh | times befor i used self cut ahesive laminating foil and applied it with destilled water/isopropanole |
| 09:21.22 | cehteh | that was without bubbles too |
| 09:21.34 | cehteh | but it always takes a few days to settle finally |
| 09:21.56 | cehteh | how is the zagg in feel? |
| 09:22.10 | cehteh | when i exchange my device i search for a better replacement |
| 09:23.00 | cehteh | this durasec thing is a bit odd .. feel differs depending on how much finger grease is on the display, if you clean it its sticky and rubbery, you cant easily swipe |
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| 09:23.30 | cehteh | when its dirty with grease its very slippery |
| 09:23.35 | cehteh | neither is good :/ |
| 09:25.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | High resolution capacitive touch screen- that sounds like an oxymoron! |
| 09:26.05 | cehteh | dunno .. i think technology can advance |
| 09:26.12 | cehteh | even capacitative |
| 09:26.18 | cehteh | but to be seen |
| 09:26.27 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Fingers can't advance |
| 09:26.58 | cehteh | well software can, i think you can do a lot magic in firmware to get better precision out |
| 09:27.01 | konttori_nokia | you can have bigger screen ;) |
| 09:27.15 | konttori_nokia | then you can increase the resolution ! |
| 09:27.21 | hrw | morning |
| 09:27.33 | edheldil | and little children have tiny fingers |
| 09:27.34 | cehteh | its not like raw data are the exact point where the screen is pressed anyways |
| 09:27.41 | cehteh | firmware has to translate that |
| 09:27.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | konttori_nokia: that works better for me! |
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| 09:28.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The iPhone seems to have it about right, but stepping up to the Droid just makes web browsing horrible |
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| 09:28.34 | ifreq | cehteh: zagg feels sticky |
| 09:28.39 | ifreq | removed it after 30min usage |
| 09:28.58 | cehteh | ok then thats no alternative |
| 09:29.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | iPhone 3Gs was stupidly easy to jailbreak, if it had a slide-out keyboard I'd use one |
| 09:29.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hoorah for the UK, first result for "nokia n900 vs motorola milestone" |
| 09:29.57 | cehteh | ifreq: prolly the same 3M material, forgotten its name, but its certainly the majority and only cut and rebranded by certain companies |
| 09:30.25 | cehteh | ifreq: but well .. i have the impression my durasec improve a little bit after some use |
| 09:30.54 | cehteh | its ok now just not perfect |
| 09:31.23 | ifreq | i usually keep my phone in separate pocket away from keys and shit |
| 09:31.26 | ifreq | so think ill survive |
| 09:31.58 | cehteh | i do the exact opposite, i want to mount it on my bike, take it when hiking and such :) |
| 09:32.07 | ifreq | heh right |
| 09:32.18 | ifreq | ive got garmin 706 for bike :) |
| 09:32.23 | ifreq | or was it 705.. anyways |
| 09:32.26 | ShadowJK | which durasec? |
| 09:32.27 | cehteh | so this fat protectr foil is prolly right |
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| 09:32.38 | cehteh | ShadowJK: hightec |
| 09:33.05 | dnaumov | ifreq: zagg sticky? I hope you read the installation manual which clearly says to let it dry for 12+ hours after application |
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| 09:33.36 | ifreq | dnaumov: yes but the other side(the side you touch) feels sticky |
| 09:33.40 | cehteh | yeah .. it has to settle, it will improve a lot by that |
| 09:33.43 | ifreq | it doesnt get wet on the touching side |
| 09:33.45 | ifreq | :) |
| 09:34.08 | dnaumov | ifreq: yes it does... as per the installation manual |
| 09:34.15 | ifreq | nope it doesnt |
| 09:34.15 | cehteh | ifreq: as i saied after using it its covered with finger grease then its not sticky anymore |
| 09:34.20 | cehteh | rather slippy then :P |
| 09:34.31 | ifreq | installation manual says you wet it from the contact side |
| 09:34.47 | ifreq | dnaumov: how that will affect the side youre touching. |
| 09:34.54 | ifreq | cehteh: yeh, just didnt like the feel of it |
| 09:35.07 | dnaumov | ifreq: and after fitting the screen, you also wet the front side before you start using the card to squeeze bubbles |
| 09:35.19 | cehteh | last time i cleaned it it was sticky again ... so now i only wipe it slightly but be careful not to clean all grease away |
| 09:35.34 | ifreq | dnaumov: ah that one okay |
| 09:35.37 | cehteh | ifreq: yes arguable its not that nice. but it will improve after a few days |
| 09:36.11 | cehteh | so pulling it off after 30 minutes can only give you an wrong impression |
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| 09:36.24 | ifreq | true |
| 09:36.42 | ifreq | im happy without tho :) |
| 09:36.49 | cehteh | its not that i like it (my durasec, prolly the same or similar material) |
| 09:36.59 | cehteh | but it got a lot better in the first days |
| 09:37.04 | ifreq | y |
| 09:37.21 | dnaumov | it was pretty bad about 6 hours after application |
| 09:37.38 | dnaumov | 24 hours after application, I couldnt notice any difference |
| 09:38.25 | ShadowJK | cehteh, is the hitec sticky? |
| 09:38.40 | cehteh | did you read backlog? :) |
| 09:38.43 | pupnik | 3M was an impressively innovative company, for a while at least |
| 09:40.05 | cehteh | likely applies laminating foil on the next device as i ever did, that has the right feel, is scratch resistant and costs me only a few cent |
| 09:40.27 | cehteh | the n900 was the first device for what i bought a protector |
| 09:40.51 | cehteh | with postage it cost me more than 10 euros ... |
| 09:41.07 | cehteh | duh ... maybe it protects well, but ... |
| 09:41.08 | RST38h | dnaumov: So, are 2-3mm bubbles ok right after installation? |
| 09:41.42 | cehteh | RST38h: when these remain after 2-3 days you can peel it carefully off and reapply |
| 09:41.50 | RST38h | hmmm |
| 09:42.12 | cehteh | you can do that now .. but i'd rather recommend some patience |
| 09:42.19 | flux | well, my zagg is sticky after a few weeks |
| 09:42.25 | flux | but it's tolerable |
| 09:45.28 | cehteh | why does the camera stop the media player btw? |
| 09:45.40 | RST38h | using the same video overlay? |
| 09:45.58 | cehteh | uhm .. just playing music |
| 09:46.34 | pupnik | maybe camera needs all of dsp |
| 09:46.42 | Gadgetoid_mbp | consistently playing music in the background seems to be the N900s weak point |
| 09:46.50 | cehteh | yeah |
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| 09:48.01 | pupnik | sometimes playing stuff with mplayer, volume goes silent. i have to stop mplayer, start media player, pick a file (click click click click ) to get to the volume bar, which is at zero |
| 09:48.05 | pupnik | any better solutions? |
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| 09:50.31 | jaek_ | how can you tell what dns server dnsmasq is using? |
| 09:51.09 | cehteh | send SIGUSR1 (or was is SIGUSR2) to it |
| 09:51.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | pupnik: buy an iPod :D |
| 09:51.26 | cehteh | or just inspect /tmp/resolv.conf* |
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| 09:52.32 | jaek_ | ah it is grabbing the domain too... |
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| 09:56.52 | dnaumov | RST38h: generally, yes |
| 09:57.14 | dnaumov | RST38h: after I installed mine, there were a fair share of small bubbles I couldnt get rid of |
| 09:57.24 | dnaumov | but they dissapeared with time, completely |
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| 09:57.31 | cehteh | same here |
| 09:58.45 | Stskeeps | morning andre__ |
| 09:59.41 | ShadowJK | is using durasec cleartec.. it's not sticky... to the point that it doesn't stick properly to the screen :-) |
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| 09:59.48 | ShadowJK | I guess that's why they sell 5 at a time |
| 09:59.54 | dnaumov | lol |
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| 10:00.24 | andre__ | heja Stskeeps |
| 10:03.28 | RST38h | dnaumov: coool! waiting then! |
| 10:05.13 | cehteh | ShadowJK: lol .. i read about that and rather tought 'oh noe better hightec' |
| 10:05.19 | mece | Anyone know if the request icon bug in libpurple has ben adressed? |
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| 10:05.47 | corecode_ | isn't that zagg protector a bit wrinkly? |
| 10:06.05 | corecode_ | or at least doesn't look completely flat? |
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| 10:06.25 | wazd | heya maemo |
| 10:06.29 | cehteh | corecode_: durasec hightec is |
| 10:06.42 | cehteh | but just very litte, barely noticeable |
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| 10:07.09 | cehteh | doesnt look like a polished surface |
| 10:07.59 | corecode_ | i wonder whether a protector is really necessary |
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| 10:08.09 | RST38h | it is |
| 10:08.11 | cehteh | for me i am sure it is :) |
| 10:08.22 | cehteh | but depend how you use your device |
| 10:08.24 | wazd | HP Slate, hmmm |
| 10:09.04 | cehteh | and sidenote .. if you peel it off you have a *perfect* display .. just in case you want to sell your device |
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| 10:10.12 | RST38h | Ahhahaha, Microsoft decided to announce theirs BEFORE Apple's |
| 10:10.19 | corecode_ | what? |
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| 10:11.21 | zaheerm | tablets |
| 10:11.32 | corecode_ | eyes engadget |
| 10:11.47 | RST38h | The usual stuff - Atom, Windows, IE |
| 10:11.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah.. because we haven't had tablet PCs for the last 10 years... |
| 10:12.00 | RST38h | So do not hold your breath, they are just repackaging UMPC/MID |
| 10:12.20 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ~RST38h++ |
| 10:14.06 | cehteh | will this charging ever end? |
| 10:14.44 | cehteh | was half full, charging since 4hrs .. on usb, my charger is broken |
| 10:16.17 | flux | charging over computer usb might take quite a while |
| 10:16.35 | flux | especially if you're consuming power at the same time |
| 10:18.31 | corecode_ | usb can only charge 500mA, or? |
| 10:18.42 | dnaumov | RST38h: is t here some liveblog of things going on at CES? |
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| 10:20.18 | Muhvi | i won't use protector on N900, if i scratch it too much, i'll just buy new screen |
| 10:21.14 | corecode_ | Muhvi: how much is a new screen? |
| 10:21.44 | flux | also, how much of a trouble is it to install one? |
| 10:21.55 | cehteh | corecode_: yes |
| 10:22.14 | wazd | Ok, |
| 10:22.15 | wazd | Click to read 1558 more words |
| 10:22.18 | wazd | :D |
| 10:22.34 | Arkenoi | tries to figure out how does the thing look, having just 2 photo fragments on the site is plain silly: http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4883&t_mode=des |
| 10:22.51 | cehteh | new screen is likely one of the more expensive parts |
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| 10:23.42 | RST38h | dnaumov: engadget suffices for me |
| 10:24.00 | wazd | Arkenoi: looks like it's just a simple leather pocket |
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| 10:25.10 | Arkenoi | you do not need new screen if yours become scratched |
| 10:25.17 | Arkenoi | it is just cheap plastic cover |
| 10:25.22 | cehteh | Arkenoi: http://lumiera.org/n900_case3.jpg http://lumiera.org/n900_case4.jpg |
| 10:26.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | (charging) also last 3% need another 60minutes |
| 10:26.31 | RST38h | urgh |
| 10:27.02 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: i just pulled it out now |
| 10:27.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's caused by CC/CV charging mode mandatory for LiIon |
| 10:27.41 | flux | docscrutinizer51, a time estimate for charging would be great ;) |
| 10:27.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | 2h |
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| 10:28.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: always a good guess. |
| 10:28.43 | Stskeeps | is playing with getting a USB serial console for n900 |
| 10:28.53 | corecode_ | haha is that a sock? |
| 10:28.55 | flux | ..a real time one on the phone, that is |
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| 10:30.18 | Muhvi | corecode_, dunno, prolly ~100 euros |
| 10:30.27 | ceh900 | neoprene over vacuformed shell |
| 10:32.07 | RST38h | SPAMMERS: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/500x_057-500x323.jpg |
| 10:32.54 | frals | lol |
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| 10:33.28 | Muhvi | yeah well i meant the cover not the touchscreen |
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| 10:37.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | Muhvi: touch window assembly 55.- http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 |
| 10:38.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | LCD is 89.- |
| 10:38.44 | RST38h | <frals> lol |
| 10:39.18 | frals | RST38h: teh wat |
| 10:39.24 | frals | it was funny! |
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| 10:39.33 | RST38h | nothing, cut&paste failed again |
| 10:39.39 | frals | :D |
| 10:40.07 | corecode_ | Muhvi: $14 seems |
| 10:40.52 | ceh900 | 7eur for stylus woot dont loose it |
| 10:41.45 | Muhvi | cheapo |
| 10:41.53 | Muhvi | can you change it by yourself |
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| 10:42.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | Muhvi: http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-news/nokia-n900-disassembly/ |
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| 10:43.19 | Arkenoi | any chance moscow nokia flagship store will get cp321s? i want white one as well |
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| 10:43.27 | Muhvi | thanks dockane_ |
| 10:43.31 | Muhvi | oops |
| 10:43.36 | Muhvi | DocScrutinizer51 i mean :) |
| 10:43.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
| 10:45.33 | Jaffa | Oooh, just realised. I should reinstall the emulators :-) |
| 10:45.51 | RST38h | Jaffa: You should reinstall and VOTE. |
| 10:46.09 | wazd | Arkenoi: NFS doesn't have black e63, what do you want :) |
| 10:46.34 | RST38h | Jaffa: Because none of the gimme-gimme characters in those emulator threads ever vote |
| 10:46.51 | Jaffa | RST38h: Indeed, was going to do my QA duty :) |
| 10:47.21 | RST38h | Jaffa: If you have time, do test the latest Speccy in -Testing too |
| 10:47.37 | RST38h | Jaffa: Looks like it only needs 1-2 votes for promotion |
| 10:49.05 | Jaffa | RST38h: Cool, was never that much into Speccy's (more of a BBC man), but will give it a go. |
| 10:49.22 | Jaffa | Ah, Elite - that's what I've used Speccy emulators for in the past ;-) |
| 10:49.22 | RST38h | quickly votes for both Gweleds, htop, and video decoders, while maemo.org is working |
| 10:49.41 | RST38h | Jaffa: There is a NES version too, BTW, but it does some weird tricks to the PPU |
| 10:50.35 | _berto_ | Jaffa: were there many games for the BBC ? |
| 10:50.48 | frals | RST38h: VGBA is missing its icon in the app menu (just saying) |
| 10:51.04 | guido_g | fennec & large download on n900 -> reboot :/ *sigh* |
| 10:51.10 | Jaffa | RST38h: BTW, not optified? |
| 10:51.30 | RST38h | Jaffa: Speccy is |
| 10:51.34 | Wolfie | so, when is ines et al coming back to the maemo repos? |
| 10:51.44 | RST38h | Jaffa: VGBA is not, it is too small. And yes, it is not missing any icons |
| 10:51.45 | Wolfie | there was no schedule in the news article |
| 10:52.02 | RST38h | Jaffa: if you see a blue square, it is Hildon bug |
| 10:52.03 | Arkenoi | reads http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=457040#post457040 and wonders if anyone actually used landline SMS in Moscow |
| 10:52.18 | RST38h | Oh, wait, that was to frals |
| 10:52.22 | Jaffa | RST38h: iNES not; and Speccy's main binary isn't in /opt. |
| 10:52.35 | RST38h | Jaffa: That is fine, as far as I care |
| 10:52.36 | frals | RST38h: Roger, it's a blue square |
| 10:52.36 | Jaffa | RST38h: But they aren't enormous |
| 10:52.44 | RST38h | Jaffa: how enormous? |
| 10:52.53 | RST38h | 400kB at most? |
| 10:52.58 | Jaffa | frals: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 |
| 10:53.00 | povbot` | Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in "More..." view has default icon instead of own one |
| 10:53.06 | Jaffa | RST38h: Yeah, something like that |
| 10:53.08 | RST38h | 200kB on the average? |
| 10:53.14 | RST38h | That is not enormous enough |
| 10:53.23 | Jaffa | Indeed, what I said ;-) |
| 10:53.30 | frals | Jaffa: cheers |
| 10:53.42 | RST38h | Surely won't make me start keeping two separate package trees for Maemo4 and Maemo5 :) |
| 10:53.54 | TomaszD | I'll be on and off today, but if anyone can tell me how can I check the state of trackerd from a postinst file and start it if it's dead, I'd gladly appreciate any hints (the problem is that running tracker-status as root segfaults, but it's not the only one) |
| 10:54.13 | RST38h | All the data I optified though, this will work well on both Maemo4 and Maemo5 |
| 10:54.40 | pupnik | linux on the kindle DX would be nice - device has nice screen/thincase |
| 10:54.42 | RST38h | Tomaszd: pidof? |
| 10:54.42 | Jaffa | RST38h: Complete optification shouldn't hurt Maemo 4, FWIW. |
| 10:54.59 | RST38h | Jaffa: But it will, if someone moves /opt to FAT |
| 10:55.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: is xchat still nuking my old personal settings on upgrade? |
| 10:55.43 | RST38h | pupnik: Refresh time is pita though |
| 10:55.52 | RST38h | DocScrutinuzer: It has never done that |
| 10:55.54 | TomaszD | RST38h, maybe it doesn't look like it, but when it comes to the nitty gritty I'm still bit of a newb, I'll look into it |
| 10:56.16 | RST38h | DocScrutinuzer: In fact, I explicitly tell you to do that BY HAND if you want to try new defaults and lower power drain |
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| 10:56.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: sure it did. Suddenly I had fsckg black bg |
| 10:56.42 | RST38h | TomaszD: No, "pidof" is a program you should run =) |
| 10:57.05 | RST38h | DocScrutinizer: Ah, you probably did not have color settings saved so it applied new defaults |
| 10:57.10 | TomaszD | RST38h, I know, I just probably don't know how to use it yet |
| 10:57.10 | Jaffa | RST38h: True, but they get what they deserve then. BTW, like the new menu in iNES; but full screen no longer stretches? |
| 10:57.11 | TomaszD | :) |
| 10:57.28 | RST38h | Jaffa: It should not |
| 10:57.42 | RST38h | Jaffa: Should always keep the original ratio, and it does |
| 10:58.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: ok. I,ll dare to give 14 a try then. And vote :-) |
| 10:58.32 | Jaffa | wonders if the PulseAudio hang bug has been fixed in PR1.1 (or have you worked around it RST38h) |
| 10:58.42 | RST38h | DocScrut: Actually, I consider the black background a feature :) |
| 10:58.50 | RST38h | Jaffa: AFAIK it has not been |
| 10:58.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | not me though |
| 10:59.15 | RST38h | Jaffa: But I worked around it a little bit, you will no longer have to reboot, just have to quit media player |
| 10:59.31 | cehteh | wants a black on white screen for work in bright sunlight |
| 10:59.45 | pupnik | heh the kindle drm appears to have been hacked Dec 23 |
| 10:59.46 | cehteh | s/screen/theme |
| 10:59.56 | cehteh | doesnt need to be pretty, but functional |
| 11:00.09 | pupnik | the terminal is black on white |
| 11:00.12 | cehteh | yes |
| 11:00.18 | corecode_ | oh no compass? :/ |
| 11:00.19 | cehteh | my xchat too |
| 11:00.26 | cehteh | corecode_: blitzmerker :P |
| 11:00.48 | corecode_ | sniff |
| 11:00.55 | cehteh | yeah |
| 11:01.04 | cehteh | and lots of magnets in the device |
| 11:01.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: you bet (b on w). Also much easier to read |
| 11:02.13 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer51: exactly .. most importantly in bright sunlight |
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| 11:02.42 | cehteh | transreflexive display works only well if there is some area where it can collect light |
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| 11:03.21 | cehteh | white on black is more stylish, sure .. but wont work well in really bright light |
| 11:03.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | on OM Freerunner a black screen even pulls some additional 30mA from battery :-P |
| 11:03.51 | cehteh | prolly the opposite on the n900 |
| 11:03.58 | cehteh | this screen is default blacj |
| 11:03.59 | cehteh | k |
| 11:04.13 | wazd_n800 | omg... |
| 11:04.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | and another 30 to 60 for higher backlight setting to read the shitty w on b |
| 11:05.39 | cehteh | with a dedicated black on white theme you can prolly turn the backlight off when its really bright |
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| 11:06.00 | cehteh | the transreflexive display works somewhat good |
| 11:06.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: not yet determined. Might be video data lines which draw some current for each black pixel |
| 11:06.50 | wazd_n800 | maybe I'll tell yp |
| 11:07.00 | wazd_n800 | you something sacred |
| 11:07.26 | wazd_n800 | but impall screens are |
| 11:07.30 | wazd_n800 | fuck |
| 11:08.01 | wazd_n800 | but immo all screens are white when disabled |
| 11:08.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 11:08.14 | wazd_n800 | "transparent" |
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| 11:08.24 | Macer | wow. seriously have to add hinet.net to some sort of blocking thing |
| 11:08.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | that depends on LCD and polarizer setup |
| 11:08.28 | Macer | they're starting to piss me off |
| 11:08.35 | Macer | keep trying to send relays through my mail server |
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| 11:09.22 | wazd_n800 | toucj |
| 11:09.31 | wazd_n800 | fuuuck! |
| 11:09.35 | RST38h | Macer: you too? |
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| 11:09.57 | wazd_n800 | touchscreen of my n800 keeps droping :( |
| 11:10.07 | cehteh | wazd_n800: when you turn the n900 off and pull the battery out the screen is black |
| 11:10.09 | RST38h | hinet is a chinese cesspool |
| 11:10.23 | RST38h | more or less like geocities in the US or narod.ru in Russia |
| 11:10.41 | flux | cehteh, ..obviously, because the backlight isn't on.. |
| 11:11.00 | cehteh | nope because the polarizer is made that way that it defaults to black |
| 11:11.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: not obviously |
| 11:11.12 | wazd_n800 | cehteh, are you sure it's not transparent?) |
| 11:11.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: exactly |
| 11:11.18 | cehteh | absolutely |
| 11:11.27 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.33 | Macer | go figure |
| 11:11.35 | cehteh | isnt that the same with the iphone? |
| 11:11.40 | flux | docscrutinizer51, well, I suppose if you take the 'is black' literally instead of understanding it as 'appears black' |
| 11:11.53 | cehteh | (me rarely sees iphones and never in poweroff state) |
| 11:11.57 | Macer | RST38h: yeah. i have to deny them. or filter all of hinet |
| 11:11.58 | flux | docscrutinizer51, what kind of LCD display would not look black without a light source? |
| 11:11.58 | Macer | :) |
| 11:12.04 | flux | (without power) |
| 11:12.09 | wazd_n800 | and black screen with no backlight shows the same color?) |
| 11:12.11 | Macer | it's starting to piss me off |
| 11:12.14 | cehteh | flux: desktop calculators for example :) |
| 11:12.24 | flux | cehteh, they have a light source ;) |
| 11:12.44 | cehteh | and you can make a white screen and turn backlight off on the n900 (with some /sys stuff) |
| 11:12.48 | cehteh | then you see the difference |
| 11:13.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: it's not about 'looking black' - it's about transparent versus black |
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| 11:13.17 | wazd_n800 | as I can see on pictures of all LCD's - they are 'grayish' |
| 11:13.18 | cehteh | the n900 has a transrefletive display, its quite greyish depending on enviroment lighting |
| 11:13.32 | flux | hm, did transreflective displays really get non-black without power? |
| 11:13.36 | Macer | i'mw atching a national geographic thing about volcanoes |
| 11:13.45 | Macer | and this crazy bastard is going intoa molten volcano crater |
| 11:13.46 | cehteh | if you hold it in bright light it doesnt need backlight |
| 11:13.52 | Macer | wtf |
| 11:14.03 | wazd_n800 | it is the color of backlight layer I guess |
| 11:14.04 | Arkenoi | wonders if the screen really takes that much power we cannot have familliar "always on" screensaver with weather and clock like s60 does |
| 11:14.08 | flux | and it gets 'blacker' if it's on? |
| 11:14.18 | cehteh | flux: the non power state only depoends on the polarizer setup |
| 11:14.19 | flux | I suppose yes |
| 11:15.08 | cehteh | the n900 doesnt get 'blacker' when you turn it on |
| 11:15.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | c'mon all of you seen the non-bl "NOKIA" sign on bootup |
| 11:15.37 | cehteh | yeah thats a good example too |
| 11:15.43 | cehteh | but you dont see it on every bootup |
| 11:16.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | you see it on 'real' bootup |
| 11:16.23 | Macer | we're standing in the crater of an active volcano right next to a pool of molten lava |
| 11:16.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | not when switching mode from charger to full powered |
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| 11:16.33 | Macer | what a nut.. and he is happy about this |
| 11:16.42 | cehteh | well open a root terminal |
| 11:16.44 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.52 | Macer | said he wanted to wait until night time because that is when it is its most spectacular haha |
| 11:16.53 | cehteh | then you see |
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| 11:19.25 | cehteh | RST38h: want screenshots? |
| 11:19.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly it's completely irrelevant if a LCD is default-black or default-transparent |
| 11:19.57 | cehteh | RST38h: maybe beacause i disabled indentation and divider |
| 11:20.14 | cehteh | yeah |
| 11:20.42 | siriusnova | So |
| 11:20.45 | cehteh | i started saying that i want a black on white theme for bright sunlight, thats not very much related to the default lcd state |
| 11:20.46 | siriusnova | whats new in Maemo Land? |
| 11:20.48 | siriusnova | :) |
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| 11:21.01 | siriusnova | should i add extras-devel and extras-testing |
| 11:21.07 | siriusnova | just to see if I can brick my phone? |
| 11:21.07 | siriusnova | :D |
| 11:21.21 | Jaffa | siriusnova: Don't add -devel, add -testing if you're willing to test s/w against the QA criteria |
| 11:21.26 | Jaffa | (and then VOTE) |
| 11:21.32 | siriusnova | why no -devel ? |
| 11:21.57 | Jaffa | siriusnova: Because it's pretty much for developers to check and test that their software installs and works from a repo. If it does, they promote it to -testing. |
| 11:22.01 | siriusnova | oh ok |
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| 11:24.14 | cehteh | bbl |
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| 11:26.53 | siriusnova | lets rock and roll |
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| 11:31.04 | siriusnova | anyone have any good tips on avoiding the / free space issue |
| 11:31.14 | siriusnova | i believe i asked this before |
| 11:31.18 | siriusnova | is there a way to relink /usr |
| 11:31.18 | Arkenoi | what is quite annoying is that opening camera opens launches camera application even if there already is an application that uses camera running (say, bar code reader) |
| 11:31.23 | SpeedEvil | I've not really hit it sinceI flashed my device |
| 11:31.37 | SpeedEvil | then reinstalled stuff |
| 11:31.41 | siriusnova | herm |
| 11:31.53 | SpeedEvil | It seems a lot of things in extras-devel have been optified that werent' |
| 11:32.04 | siriusnova | good |
| 11:32.52 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Try the Flashlight applet |
| 11:33.02 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Creates absolute mess |
| 11:33.25 | SpeedEvil | I've been installing lots of crap, and I have 23M remaining |
| 11:33.33 | RST38h | cehteh: My default settings also disable identation and divider |
| 11:33.45 | RST38h | cehteh: But copy&paste seems to work for me just fine, no extra chars |
| 11:34.03 | RST38h | cehteh: Rename .xchat2 and see if it still happens to you with the default settings |
| 11:34.36 | Arkenoi | RST38h, i already do ;-) |
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| 11:39.16 | RST38h | Optified Python install is...mhm...meh |
| 11:39.36 | ShadowJK | has almost 80 megs free after a reboot |
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| 11:48.21 | ShadowJK | with optified python :D |
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| 11:48.45 | RST38h | Ok, Python is gone |
| 11:48.57 | mkargar | hello |
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| 11:52.00 | MohammadAG | does the dc-8 work with the n900 |
| 11:53.45 | siriusnova | ShadowJK where did you get this optified python? |
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| 11:54.37 | mkargar | i wany install rootsh from maemo.org!but,since of click on the ''install'' button,i recieve error:unable to download 'rootsh' | application package not found |
| 11:54.46 | mkargar | what's my problem? |
| 11:55.48 | slonopotamus | mkargar, just install it from application manager |
| 11:56.43 | mkargar | i recieve another error:application list partially refreshed.aome catalogs unavailable.check catalog details. |
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| 11:57.19 | Arkenoi | gpodder/python conflict still unresolved :-( |
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| 11:58.23 | mkargar | slonopotamus:i recieve error! |
| 11:58.36 | lizardo | Arkenoi: and which error is that ? |
| 11:58.51 | VDVsx | yawns |
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| 11:59.16 | RST38h | moos at vdvsx |
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| 11:59.30 | VDVsx | mooosss back |
| 12:00.31 | user_ | hi from n900 |
| 12:01.21 | siriusnova | hi |
| 12:01.32 | mkargar | please help me! |
| 12:01.40 | mkargar | hello user! |
| 12:01.46 | RST38h | mkargar: $25. |
| 12:01.57 | frals | anyone decent with killing installed packages that choke on postrm please take a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=456446#post456446 and help him if possible |
| 12:02.07 | SpeedEvil | I thought it had gone up to $28 yesterday |
| 12:02.31 | mkargar | RST38h:adaptor!? |
| 12:02.45 | RST38h | mkargar: Another $5. |
| 12:02.51 | ShadowJK | siriusnova, I uninstalled everything that depended on python, and made sure with dpkg -l and apt-get that python was gone. Then I enabled extras-devel and installed gpodder from there. It pulled optified python along with it |
| 12:02.51 | Arkenoi | lizardo, "Conflict with application packages - python-glade2 (2.12.1.6-maemo9)" |
| 12:03.04 | ShadowJK | I wasn't sure if upgrade would work, so that's why I did remove/reinstall instead |
| 12:03.14 | mkargar | RST38h:adaptor!? |
| 12:03.28 | RST38h | mkargar: $5 more. |
| 12:03.31 | ShadowJK | Normal disclaimers about extras-devel apply, of course :) |
| 12:04.18 | lizardo | Arkenoi: do you have which repositories enabled? |
| 12:04.35 | lizardo | Arkenoi: I didn't get any errors installing gpodder here |
| 12:05.32 | mkargar | RST38h:ok!i want take a tp-link wireless modem!50$ |
| 12:05.36 | user_ | how to permanent change the nick in xchat on n900? |
| 12:05.48 | Arkenoi | lizardo, all of them ;-) |
| 12:05.56 | siriusnova | how well does dosbox work on the N900? |
| 12:06.00 | user_ | could not find anything in preferences |
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| 12:06.48 | mkargar | RST38h:5$ ana 15# is only for europe and us!i living in |
| 12:06.55 | Arkenoi | i have pymaemo-optify installed, may that matter? |
| 12:06.59 | mkargar | *i iran! |
| 12:07.07 | slonopotamus | user_, xchat -> network list -> user information |
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| 12:07.33 | user_ | thx! |
| 12:08.21 | slonopotamus | user_, + 'use global user information' checkbox in channel settings |
| 12:09.00 | RST38h | Heh, another UK<->FR train stuck in the tunnel |
| 12:10.36 | zaheerm | RST38h, :) and there i am on eurostar's website checking prices for fosdem travel |
| 12:10.36 | lizardo | Arkenoi: looks like you enabled extras-devel, installed some packages, and then disabled it again... can you confirm ? |
| 12:10.36 | RST38h | zaheerm: fly. |
| 12:10.36 | range | So UK is unreachable during times of snow (seeing how many planes were delayed in the last few days). |
| 12:10.44 | zaheerm | RST38h, trains are better |
| 12:10.47 | range | zaheerm: Just pray for good weather. |
| 12:11.04 | RST38h | range: can't you sail there? =) |
| 12:11.21 | lizardo | Arkenoi: pymaemo-optify installed is not a problem, actually you need it so you get the optified python |
| 12:11.21 | Arkenoi | lizardo: nope, it is still enabled |
| 12:11.22 | zaheerm | range, yah should be better in a mopnth, we don't usually get much snow in london |
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| 12:12.43 | range | Everybody was warning me on tuesday that I probably won't get out of London if it starts snowing again :) |
| 12:13.36 | Jaffa | andre__: ping |
| 12:15.56 | andre__ | Jaffa, pong |
| 12:16.17 | Jaffa | andre__: The Qt components which are part of the firmware - where to raise a 2.2009.51-1 bug against them? |
| 12:16.35 | Jaffa | andre__: Anything depending on libqt4-phonon won't install in 2.2009.51-1 :-( |
| 12:16.59 | andre__ | Jaffa, I'd guess for https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Qt , not sure though |
| 12:17.19 | Jaffa | andre__: Ta, couldn't find that at step 1 :) |
| 12:19.11 | lizardo | Arkenoi: I see that gpodder 2.1-1 depends on "python-gtk2 (>= 2.12.1-6maemo10)" , but you have python-glade2 2.12.1-6maemo9 installed, which depends on python-gtk2 = .12.1-6maemo9 |
| 12:19.43 | lizardo | Arkenoi: ideally, the Application manager should have been upgraded python-glade2 for you |
| 12:20.35 | lizardo | Arkenoi: but for some reason it is not resolving the conflict automatically, maybe because some other package is force a older python-glade2 version |
| 12:20.48 | xorAxAx | is debugging some gpe-calendar ics import bug ... |
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| 12:23.46 | Arkenoi | lizardo: how do i find which one? |
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| 12:29.05 | lizardo | Arkenoi: not sure, I will try to reproduce it on a N900 by installing some things manually |
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| 13:03.38 | vpol | still can't get icq working? can anybody help? |
| 13:05.50 | RST38h | moos at ab, just in case |
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| 13:09.17 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo <- cool guys don't look at explosions :) |
| 13:10.20 | ab | RST38h, do not moo too much, I will not take your milk |
| 13:12.20 | Jaffa | wazd: :) |
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| 13:30.31 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI <- DIY "Smack my bitch up" with Albetron. |
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| 13:41.31 | sampop | Hi... is here anyone? |
| 13:42.00 | sampop | Stupid question. I need little bit of help with my Nokia n900 |
| 13:42.29 | zash | sampop: protip: just ask the question/describe the problem :) |
| 13:42.37 | adeus | metaquestions don't help :) |
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| 13:43.12 | wazd | can I ask the question? :) |
| 13:43.29 | sampop | how can i unzip file with my nokia ? |
| 13:43.42 | sampop | I'm not familiar of linux... |
| 13:44.05 | sampop | is there any kind of program, or should I do it on comandline = x-terminal |
| 13:44.09 | Jaffa | sampop: I believe there's a File manager plugin for it in Extras or -testing; or you can use the commandline |
| 13:44.46 | sampop | I have used dos in 90's |
| 13:45.05 | sampop | but how in this Nokia x-terminal can i do for example c: |
| 13:45.09 | sampop | or dir/p ? |
| 13:45.19 | sampop | or dir |
| 13:45.32 | sampop | Jaffa are you fin ? |
| 13:46.41 | VDVsx | sampop, here is a simple list of commands: phoenix.goucher.edu/~kelliher/f2006/cs245/linux1.pdf |
| 13:46.42 | Markus23 | sampop: cd to change directory, ls to list directory |
| 13:46.52 | Jaffa | sampop: Nope |
| 13:46.54 | ifreq | god speed |
| 13:47.05 | sampop | Thank's... stupid me :) |
| 13:47.08 | VDVsx | sampop, some doesn't work in maemo, but the generic ones work |
| 13:47.48 | Markus23 | VDVsx: mmh, maybe a n900 specific one would help |
| 13:48.05 | VDVsx | Markus23, feel free to make one :) |
| 13:48.06 | Markus23 | are there image viewer commands and so on at the console at all? |
| 13:48.25 | sampop | Well, what do you think about Nokia N900? If I can ask? |
| 13:48.38 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 13:48.47 | VDVsx | a card like the one that I link above would be very neat :) |
| 13:49.10 | Markus23 | yes, maybe also with some basic dbus commands |
| 13:49.12 | sampop | *just cheking out basic comands* this is really good! |
| 13:49.55 | choppa | hey folks |
| 13:49.58 | choppa | i hate maemo |
| 13:50.04 | sampop | nice :) |
| 13:50.20 | Stskeeps | choppa: good for you, install mer or ubuntu or whatever hell you want |
| 13:50.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 13:50.31 | Stskeeps | fedora's even there |
| 13:51.21 | sampop | In x-terminal or command line, is there like basic user and main user accounts? |
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| 13:51.30 | x29a | Stskeeps: sorry, i hijacked his computer |
| 13:51.40 | x29a | and it does in no way even represent my opinion |
| 13:51.48 | Stskeeps | kiddos |
| 13:51.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:51.51 | x29a | hehe |
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| 13:51.53 | zash | sampop: yes of course, what do you think were used before X? |
| 13:52.03 | x29a | but without my N810, im outta here, take care |
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| 13:52.11 | Jaffa | sampop: There is a 'user' account, and a 'root' account. The 'root' account can do anything (including breaking the device), whilst 'user' can only do things which you could theoretically do through the UI |
| 13:52.34 | VDVsx | Markus23, dbus is a bit much IMO, just command line stuff for people not familiar with linux |
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| 13:53.09 | sampop | thank's... I curious, what is command to get this "root" account on and how I came back to "user" account, what is the command for that? |
| 13:53.42 | Tonzas | sampop: you need to install rootsh and after that you can use commands 'sudo gainroot' on x-terminal |
| 13:54.18 | sampop | thank's |
| 13:54.35 | ShadowJK | "exit" or "logout" to exit root mode |
| 13:54.47 | ShadowJK | "whoami" if you forget if you're as root or user |
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| 13:59.32 | matthew- | ShadowJK: you can see # if root and $ if user |
| 13:59.35 | matthew- | how can you forget |
| 13:59.35 | matthew- | ;d |
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| 14:02.36 | choppa_ | damn, got disconnected. sorry bout that, anything new? |
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| 14:08.23 | Stskeeps | morn orb |
| 14:08.28 | III | morn |
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| 14:21.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: s/whoami/id/ |
| 14:22.24 | Markus23 | Are there any technical presentations about n900 or maemo 5? |
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| 14:22.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | exit / logout is easily shortcut by ^D at line start |
| 14:22.40 | Markus23 | What is a must-be-said? |
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| 14:24.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | sudo gainroot seems has been replaced by a mere "root" recently? |
| 14:24.50 | Stskeeps | no, it's a script for it |
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| 14:39.22 | Stskeeps | for those of you interested, http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/enabling-rtc-clock-battery-charging-and.html |
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| 14:40.23 | fabrice | i'm looking for gstreamer pipeline sample to stream sound and/or video from my N900. Any hints ? |
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| 14:45.28 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i'm really impressed |
| 14:45.44 | timeless_mbp | someone filed a bug against the browser yesterday |
| 14:45.48 | timeless_mbp | and within 24 hours, it managed to be triaged to the Qt team who fixed it |
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| 14:45.52 | Markus23_ | xchat works great |
| 14:46.02 | SpeedEvil | timeless: :) |
| 14:46.10 | Markus23_ | very colourful |
| 14:46.16 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: sending the money along as fast as possible |
| 14:46.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:46.35 | timeless_mbp | sends a smile along to #qt-maemo |
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| 14:48.38 | flux | fabrice, I remember seeing an example (possibly oneliner) for using n900 (or possibly n810?) as a "webcam" for a linux machine, so it exists ;) |
| 14:48.53 | flux | fabrice, maybe those keywords can help in your quest |
| 14:49.18 | fabrice | flux, thanks, I'll try |
| 14:49.27 | flux | fabrice, found the link: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=26288 |
| 14:49.56 | fabrice | flux, thanks ! |
| 14:50.10 | flux | fabrice, you're welcome :). what are you going to try with that? |
| 14:51.12 | fabrice | flux - no precise idea yet. Just experimenting with my new toy ;) |
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| 15:24.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: (rtcbat) wowowoooow |
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| 15:28.47 | ShadowJK | wait, browser, qt? uh oh :) |
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| 15:32.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh?? |
| 15:33.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | 6? |
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| 15:36.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: how about a "menu" key shortcut for 900-xchat? so you actually could use thinks like "menu"-V-U like it was on N810? |
| 15:37.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: ctrl-M comes o mind |
| 15:38.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh no, already resets marker line |
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| 15:40.18 | KamuiWrk | see |
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| 15:40.23 | KamuiWrk | im thinking a software tab would be more useful :) |
| 15:40.59 | KamuiWrk | do you think the N900 has the horsepower to run hydrogen in any meaningful capacity? |
| 15:41.05 | RST38h | Doc: ? |
| 15:41.19 | KamuiWrk | and I think while pulseaudio is bugged, it might be pointless |
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| 15:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to look at bug #7752 and see whether that's a Packages bug? |
| 15:42.43 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7752 error in bug tracker link |
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| 15:43.11 | mgedmin | wants a single key/key combination for switching between the last two apps ... |
| 15:43.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: +1 |
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| 15:44.02 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles, yes, the debian/control file seems to be b0rked |
| 15:44.05 | HtheB | hi all :) |
| 15:44.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: double ctrl-bs |
| 15:44.14 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, so it's a package bug? |
| 15:44.25 | mgedmin | apt-cache show nsscheduler |
| 15:44.26 | mgedmin | Bugtracker: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://bugs.maemo.org |
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| 15:45.04 | mgedmin | runs apt-get update && apt-get source |
| 15:45.05 | HtheB | is it possible to install a .deb file?@(yes i know the matrix trick) but how good could this be? |
| 15:45.19 | mgedmin | HtheB, it's possible, but strongly discouraged |
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| 15:45.40 | t_s_o | dpkg -i as root, no? |
| 15:45.42 | HtheB | hmm, i know a game called dstroy, there is a linux version already |
| 15:45.50 | HtheB | but it is a .rpm :( |
| 15:46.10 | HtheB | though, the source is available on the site too. |
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| 15:46.30 | mgedmin | apt-get update (in scratchbox) gets stuck "Waiting for headers" ... |
| 15:46.41 | GeneralAntilles | HtheB, installing .rpms isn't going to work period. Installing .debs from other distributions isn't likely to work easily. |
| 15:46.53 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles, give me a web-browse'able source tree, or I stop investigating the nsscheduler issue |
| 15:47.16 | hrw | mgedmin: normal - *.maemo.org modem overheated again |
| 15:48.25 | HtheB | generalantilles, yes i know .rpms wont work :) but if u have the source, it could be compiled for the N900 |
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| 15:49.03 | HtheB | ofcourse with a bit of customizing |
| 15:49.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | a basictruth ;-P |
| 15:50.00 | HtheB | http://narroin.free.fr/dstroy |
| 15:50.04 | HtheB | check this out .) |
| 15:50.08 | HtheB | :) |
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| 15:51.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | is that the new release of the "click here to get virus" site? |
| 15:51.24 | HtheB | =_= no, its a game |
| 15:51.31 | HtheB | called Dstroy |
| 15:52.17 | hrw | HtheB: iirc there is bomberman for maemo5 already. and on open license |
| 15:52.54 | VDVsx | following previous discussion, here is a call for a maemo branded reference card: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=457458#post457458 |
| 15:53.04 | HtheB | its not as funny as dstroy |
| 15:53.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh, my default xdm user is called "dman" and has user id 0 and rm -rf / as login shell |
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| 15:53.53 | HtheB | u should try it out on dosbox :) |
| 15:54.00 | Caesium | is there anywhere I can see package changelogs? wondering what's caused 2 OMWeather updates in 2 days :) |
| 15:54.12 | HtheB | or, well.. the remake on windows |
| 15:54.13 | mgedmin | Caesium++ |
| 15:54.18 | Caesium | (normally I'd click around until I found it, but a maemo.org click takes 5 minutes right now) |
| 15:54.34 | mgedmin | are there changelogs on maemo.org? |
| 15:54.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | ohh so faaaast today? |
| 15:55.00 | tybollt | Caesium: "right now"? been that way ... well atleast the month I've been a user >:) |
| 15:55.31 | mgedmin | maemo.org is moving to new beefy servers next week, afaik |
| 15:55.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | they pumped up the 770 farm by another 3 devices |
| 15:55.53 | Caesium | mgedmin: can't come soon enough :) |
| 15:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, slowly browsing my way to the source on r.m.o. |
| 15:56.02 | Caesium | I feel a lot of newcomers will be turned off the entire platform by the speed of the site at the moment |
| 15:56.20 | Jaffa | Caesium: No, they aren't published nicely. There's an "Upgrade-Description" field which can be put in debian/control, but has downsides. X-Fade has mentioned it as a possible feature for maemo.org/packages in future. |
| 15:56.29 | Jaffa | Caesium: which is why it's being fixed. |
| 15:56.30 | Caesium | ok, thanks :) |
| 15:56.50 | FredrIQ | Np, i usually browse another page with an even worse speed |
| 15:57.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas those 3 N770 were repair sendins with report "throttles cpu due to overheating" ;-P |
| 15:57.52 | mgedmin | Caesium, isn't there a mailing list where all the .changes files of the autobuilder get posted? each .changes contains the changelog bit for its version |
| 15:58.00 | RST38h | VDVsx: kinda useless imho |
| 15:58.06 | Caesium | mgedmin: never heard of this |
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| 15:58.14 | mgedmin | maybe I'm thinking about Debian |
| 15:58.37 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, "Bugtracker: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://bugs.maemo.org" I'm assuming that in the control file makes it a package bug. ;) |
| 15:58.40 | RST38h | VDVsx: People who can google, won't need this card. People who will need this card, cannot read |
| 15:58.48 | VDVsx | RST38h, for you & me and others, yes |
| 15:59.15 | RST38h | VDVsx: a lot of people can't really read or understand instructions |
| 15:59.28 | RST38h | VDVsx: i.e. they won't be able to do anything with this info |
| 15:59.52 | VDVsx | RST38h, that's true, even really descriptive instructions :p |
| 16:00.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
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| 16:01.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | which card?? (just to check if I cant read or dont need to read ;-P ) |
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| 16:01.30 | VDVsx | DocScrutinizer51, you don't need it, trust me ;) |
| 16:01.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | loool |
| 16:01.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok |
| 16:01.57 | VDVsx | DocScrutinizer51, it's a card with simple terminal commands |
| 16:02.03 | VDVsx | cd, ls, ... |
| 16:02.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 16:02.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok I refuse to know what 'read' even means |
| 16:02.27 | RST38h | "About 8 percent of human genetic material comes from a virus and not from our ancestors" |
| 16:02.48 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer51, the Bourne shell builtin? |
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| 16:03.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | same is true for average windows installation :-P |
| 16:07.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | VDVsx: this card is exceptionally short for maemo. just one cmd: busybox ;-P hhrhrhrrr I *HATE* BUSYBOX |
| 16:07.48 | VDVsx | :) |
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| 16:12.31 | mgedmin | yep, nsschedule debian/control file says |
| 16:12.40 | mgedmin | XSBC-Bugtracker: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://bugs.maemo.org |
| 16:12.54 | FredrIQ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34526 - isn't PS2 way to powerful for N900 to emulate? |
| 16:13.11 | mgedmin | did anybody email the author? |
| 16:13.17 | mgedmin | s/author/maintainer/ |
| 16:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | FredrIQ, only about a 250MHz MIPS. |
| 16:13.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | 'foo' : see 'busybox foo'; 'bar' : see 'busybox bar'; 'busybox *' : see 'busybox'; 'busybox' : surrogate for * with 90% of the more usefull functions missing |
| 16:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | So not hugely powerful. |
| 16:14.14 | luke-jr | fredix: x86 may have difficulty emulating things, but ARM should be able to handle it somewhat sanely |
| 16:14.39 | luke-jr | the question is the emulator design |
| 16:14.55 | luke-jr | ponders if qemu could be extended to support PS2 |
| 16:15.23 | andre__ | mgedmin, I've added a comment to http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/nsschedule/0.1.3-1/ |
| 16:15.23 | RST38h | looks for the last guinea pig |
| 16:16.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: kill it, killllllll! |
| 16:16.32 | FredrIQ | ok, another question: PS2 is possible to emulate, but not PSP? |
| 16:17.03 | FredrIQ | seems strange to me |
| 16:17.07 | luke-jr | PSP is slightly more powerful, but I wouldn't say impossible |
| 16:17.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | 'e feeds the last guinea pig with busybox crippled cmdline options until it dies |
| 16:17.27 | luke-jr | "The PSP uses two 333 MHz MIPS32 R4000-based CPUs, a GPU with 2 MB onboard VRAM running at 166 MHz, and includes 32 MB main RAM and 4 MB embedded DRAM in total.[7] The hardware was originally forced to run more slowly than it was capable of and most games ran at 222 MHz.[125] However, with firmware update 3.50 on May 31, 2007, Sony removed this limit and allowed new games to run at a full 333 MHz" |
| 16:17.35 | RST38h | Ah here you are, Doc51 =) |
| 16:17.38 | luke-jr | oh, two CPUs, nevermind |
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| 16:18.03 | luke-jr | so PSP is about 2x the power of PS2 |
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| 16:18.13 | FredrIQ | ah |
| 16:18.29 | luke-jr | and it's dual-core, which is possibly harder to emulate depending on the design |
| 16:18.34 | Mek | so what is the right thing to do when building some package on the autobiuilder fails because it gets a timeout trying to install dependencies? just submit again hoping it will work this time? |
| 16:19.06 | RST38h | suggests buying a real PSP |
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| 16:23.02 | luke-jr | RST38h: what's the point of that? |
| 16:23.49 | RST38h | I have no idea |
| 16:23.55 | RST38h | never had a PSP |
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| 16:24.49 | luke-jr | had a GameBoy Color... |
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| 16:34.38 | joppu | Mek: I don't know, but the whole maemo.org seems to be falling apart in general |
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| 16:36.44 | fatboysmale | hiya |
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| 16:37.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | Mek: increase tcp timeout fr server responses by factor 20 might help to accomplish task in less than a week |
| 16:38.03 | fatboysmale | has anyone flashed the n900 back to factory defaults? |
| 16:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | joppu, serve move still in progress. |
| 16:38.54 | Mek | DocScrutinizer51: well, since it is the autobuilder that times out when installing build dependencies, I can't really do anything about that |
| 16:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | fatboysmale, many people. |
| 16:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 16:38.57 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:39.03 | matthew- | fatboysmale: plenty of people |
| 16:39.31 | fatboysmale | and has there been any bad flashes using the firmware? |
| 16:39.47 | Stskeeps | it's rare. |
| 16:40.10 | Stskeeps | keep your battery fully charged before doing it though |
| 16:40.16 | joppu | GeneralAntilles: Imn very well aware of that |
| 16:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | fatboysmale, 1 in 1000 sort of rare. |
| 16:40.57 | fatboysmale | it's not bad odds then, i might reset mine later, knowing my luck, i am the 1 LOL |
| 16:41.00 | GeneralAntilles | fatboysmale, I've never actually been able to confirm a flashing-related bricking in almost 5 years, so. . . . |
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| 16:41.19 | fatboysmale | i did not know the n900 was 5 years old??? |
| 16:41.29 | nikosapi | is it possible to install the maemo 5 sdk alongside the maemo 4 sdk? |
| 16:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | 770 was released in 2005. |
| 16:41.56 | fatboysmale | i know it's the same software base, but it's not the same phone |
| 16:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | Same bootloader. |
| 16:42.29 | Muhvi | if 770 would have had phone in it, i would've bought it |
| 16:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | Practically speaking, the flashing process hasn't changed much since 2005. |
| 16:42.34 | Muhvi | same goes to 810 |
| 16:42.44 | fatboysmale | right, i was just curious |
| 16:42.46 | Oli`` | Anybody know when the Ovi Store finally opens? I realise that's probably asked five times a day but "Coming soon" is getting equally dull. |
| 16:43.12 | RST38h | Any reason you need Ovi Store? |
| 16:43.37 | fatboysmale | i want to know when someone is going to make a front-end to encapsulates the MMS features, so i can text my mates holding a beer, while they are stuck in the snow |
| 16:44.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | if 810 had a modem I'd probably not have bought a N900 ;-) |
| 16:44.57 | RST38h | fatboysmale: I would be willing to part with this information for $25US |
| 16:45.07 | RST38h | Deal? =) |
| 16:45.26 | fatboysmale | i can see the forum talks, how to send it, but it's all terminal based, i am just lazy! |
| 16:45.55 | RST38h | VDVsx: See above with respect to that reference card. |
| 16:46.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | yay |
| 16:46.37 | frals | fatboysmale: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=453107&postcount=117 is not just CLI |
| 16:46.47 | dnaumov | LOL, we sell a specific combination of a phone model + service to offer voip for some business users and "stock", it works on all older shipments of that phone. Except if the customer updates the phone firmware for any reason (like they automatically do at repair service), the new firmware disables half the VOIP stack. |
| 16:46.53 | dnaumov | thx Nokia |
| 16:46.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | with same cmd in barcode on right side. So you don,t need to type it in |
| 16:48.35 | VDVsx | RST38h, lol |
| 16:49.20 | mgedmin | nikosapi, yes |
| 16:49.36 | RST38h | Mhm...this ZAGG thing surely looks like a request for rebate |
| 16:49.43 | mgedmin | nikosapi, I did something like described here: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ |
| 16:49.49 | fatboysmale | what ZAGG ??? |
| 16:50.26 | KamuiWrk | if im porting a QT3 app, do I have to rebuild libqt3-dev, or will the qt4-qt3 support libraries work for builds |
| 16:50.40 | KamuiWrk | or is that only gonna work for runtime support |
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| 16:53.52 | nikosapi | mgedmin: thanks |
| 16:54.03 | jza | hi I am trying to update my N900 firmware |
| 16:54.09 | jza | but I am a bit confused, can someone help me out here? |
| 16:54.13 | nikosapi | jza! |
| 16:54.15 | jza | I am on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 16:54.15 | luke-jr | KamuiWrk: Qt3 is deprecated. You will need to port to Qt4 first. |
| 16:54.19 | jza | hey nikosapi |
| 16:54.25 | nikosapi | how are ya? |
| 16:54.37 | jza | so I am trying to download the flasher but all I see is Diablo which sounds like the old N770 diablo |
| 16:54.43 | jza | nikosapi: I am trying to upgrade my N900 :) |
| 16:55.04 | jza | with the Firefox RC and the alternative IMs |
| 16:55.17 | nikosapi | grrr, everyone seems to have an n900 :( |
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| 16:56.04 | fatboysmale | not you nokisapi ? |
| 16:56.11 | nikosapi | nope |
| 16:56.11 | fatboysmale | sorry nikosapi |
| 16:56.14 | tybollt | jza: which firmware are you going for? |
| 16:56.18 | fatboysmale | wanna buy one? |
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| 16:56.52 | nikosapi | fatboysmale: either I get an n900 or a new timing belt+water pump for my car :P |
| 16:56.55 | jza | tybollt: well the latest, I am not sure which one is it, I think is the FIASCO flasher-3.5 |
| 16:57.03 | mgedmin | jza, Diablo is for N8x0, Fremantle is for N900 |
| 16:57.11 | fatboysmale | get the n900 and buy a push bike :) |
| 16:57.33 | jza | mgedmin: ok the comment is a bit missleading "Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for other than Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit) " |
| 16:57.39 | jza | :) |
| 16:57.42 | nikosapi | what did you guys pay for yours? |
| 16:57.46 | jza | but I guess I choose it on the CLI |
| 16:57.47 | nikosapi | all I can find is: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=48567 |
| 16:58.10 | fatboysmale | i paid £499 but i could have got it on contract for £540 for the year |
| 16:58.23 | tybollt | lb? |
| 16:58.24 | fatboysmale | including airtime, and free internet |
| 16:58.33 | nikosapi | damn, that's still a lot |
| 16:58.35 | fatboysmale | pounds |
| 16:59.00 | fatboysmale | i guess so, but i don't smoke or drink, i need some pleasure in life, so for me it's technology |
| 16:59.20 | jza | nikosapi: I am already running Panuchi on the N900 I do wonder if you will have to convert it to Qt for Maemo 6 or not really. |
| 16:59.23 | nikosapi | hmm, so I should start smoking then? |
| 16:59.29 | mgedmin | technology can lead to drinking |
| 16:59.46 | tybollt | :-( so now I have to take up smoking, eh? |
| 16:59.48 | fatboysmale | not with my wife, she clears the beers more than i ever could! LOL |
| 16:59.49 | nikosapi | jza: it's running, but it's a bit of a mess |
| 17:00.30 | fatboysmale | i would if they will release maemo 6 for the 900??? |
| 17:00.46 | fatboysmale | tired after all that snow digging today |
| 17:01.00 | fatboysmale | i wonder if they will release maemo 6 for the n900? |
| 17:01.21 | fatboysmale | or if it's gonna be another piece of hardware with it on |
| 17:01.40 | tybollt | it will be interesting to see |
| 17:01.52 | jza | nikosapi: yeah my brother was complaining it doesnt have the FM transmitter |
| 17:02.07 | tybollt | like the Winmo people who run just about any winmo version on their devices, flash and upgrade/downgrade every day |
| 17:02.08 | fatboysmale | what doesn't have the FM TX ? |
| 17:02.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | drinking can stop reasonable usage of technology |
| 17:02.17 | nikosapi | fatboysmale: panucci |
| 17:02.28 | fatboysmale | what's panucci? |
| 17:02.33 | fatboysmale | mamemo 6? |
| 17:02.36 | nikosapi | a media player |
| 17:02.39 | fatboysmale | maemo 6 rather? |
| 17:02.44 | fatboysmale | oh right |
| 17:03.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | too much beer, fatboysmale |
| 17:04.02 | fatboysmale | there are minor niggles with the 900, but i am sure in time they will get improved |
| 17:04.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | goes getting him a decent Lager |
| 17:04.34 | fatboysmale | would seem the car fumes have had there effect on me! LOL |
| 17:05.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch. I recommend to prefer glue solvent. Better kick for the injury |
| 17:05.27 | fatboysmale | LOL |
| 17:06.01 | RST38h | Ehehe, Apple has not made an announcement yet, but iTablet has already been cloned by the Chinese |
| 17:06.04 | fatboysmale | i normally work with VARN or isopropol, so car fumes are a little more bitter on the throat, and don't make the world spin so much! |
| 17:06.11 | RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/icd-vega-01-07-2010.jpg |
| 17:06.17 | fatboysmale | is it on ebay yet ??? |
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| 17:07.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh they clone :most everything. :-) |
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| 17:07.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | almost |
| 17:07.54 | fatboysmale | and it would seem they never get took to court for it! |
| 17:08.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | see hiPhone |
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| 17:08.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | which court? chinese court? LOL |
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| 17:08.53 | anidel | hi |
| 17:08.59 | RST38h | moos at anidel |
| 17:09.04 | anidel | moos bacvk |
| 17:09.06 | fatboysmale | depends if anyone in the US buys it through a distrubutor, and whether they would get done for importing it? |
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| 17:09.13 | anidel | s/bacvk/back |
| 17:09.23 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't call them clones, the only thing in common is touchscreen and having an "i" and a "o" in the name, most of the time |
| 17:09.25 | anidel | anyone with PR1.1 beta here? |
| 17:10.03 | fatboysmale | i have seen the site, and how they compare side by side, and to be honest, apple is ALOT more polished as a final product |
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| 17:11.00 | ShadowJK | I mean, those things have real names besides "iFone" too... what if you ordered one and asked them to write the real name on the receipt? :) |
| 17:11.49 | fatboysmale | well anyway, this is getting away from the maemo software, discussing other phones |
| 17:11.52 | go1dfish | all innovation builds on existing ideas |
| 17:12.07 | Bolle_mobile | hi all |
| 17:12.46 | go1dfish | what's lame is that current IP laws don't recognize that fact, or the accelerated pace of innovation in the tech sector |
| 17:13.58 | t_s_o | the base problem, go1dfish, is that they apply the same rules and timeframes on diverging kinds of "products" |
| 17:14.43 | ShadowJK | google starts with the private label phone ;) |
| 17:14.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | yo |
| 17:15.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | nexus |
| 17:15.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | yawn |
| 17:15.13 | ShadowJK | that's probably going to make everyone go "wtf", and the big players will be slow to know what to do |
| 17:15.16 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Whch has "HTC" incribed on it |
| 17:15.18 | fatboysmale | thought that was a car make? |
| 17:15.42 | ShadowJK | RST38h, oh really? I thought they'd wipe that off and write google there with crayons instead :) |
| 17:15.42 | t_s_o | meh, i'll wait until they ship the nexus six... |
| 17:15.52 | RST38h | ShadowJK: They wrote both |
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| 17:16.16 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Frankly, I do not see what the big deal is, given that there is already Moto Droid |
| 17:16.34 | ShadowJK | Oh I agree, the devices themselves aren't that special |
| 17:16.39 | zash | RST38h: faster cpu apparently, not much else |
| 17:16.45 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Neither is software |
| 17:16.53 | simula_ | the one good thing about nexus is that it uses a 1ghz cpu w/ 512MB of ram, so hopefully the next nokia phone will have similar specs... that's a full desktop in yer pocket |
| 17:17.00 | RST38h | zash: Faster CPU does not help much in embedded devices |
| 17:17.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | nothing except google gives you an opportunity to go into even closer dependency deliberately |
| 17:17.22 | RST38h | The bottlenecks are 1) RAM and 2) flash disk |
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| 17:17.42 | RST38h | So, no, N900 CPU is not "too slow" really |
| 17:17.42 | simula_ | it doubles the ram RST38h :) |
| 17:17.55 | ShadowJK | I still haven't seen any snapdragon vs a8 benchmarks.. not even dmips |
| 17:17.56 | RST38h | simula: Not size, SPEED. |
| 17:18.23 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Again, this would be nice but not sufficient |
| 17:18.46 | ShadowJK | well ram size matters more for browsers... but then they eat all you have anyway, it's impossible to win :/ |
| 17:18.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn I run a full fledged KDE3 on 300MHz P-II with 196MB |
| 17:19.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | was a little slow sometimes' on things like openoffice :-P |
| 17:19.19 | RST38h | ShadowJK: What I am interested to see is the time to copy N random 256-byte blocks from one 16MB area of RAM into another |
| 17:19.38 | t_s_o | ShadowJK: thats mostly thanks to having to deal with sites thats grown alongside desktop computers for a decade... |
| 17:19.42 | RST38h | ShadowJK: This will measure actual RAM performance. |
| 17:19.51 | drdaeman | Sorry, but I've a small question... I'm trying to implement custom contact manager ui app (to implement contact groups for myself). Is there any docs or source code on using rtcom-call-ui and related stuff? I.e. I've an EContact object (from EDS' libebook), did `contact.get_properties('phone', 'mobile-phone', ...)` and want to perform a call, but have no clue how to do it. Any pointers, please? |
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| 17:19.53 | ShadowJK | how much cache do the two have? |
| 17:20.04 | RST38h | ShadowJK: <<16MB :) |
| 17:20.11 | RST38h | cackles |
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| 17:21.28 | ShadowJK | hm, does omap3 have sdma type things for doing copies.. |
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| 17:22.17 | fatboysmale | can you see the next maemo release being on new hardware ? |
| 17:22.28 | ShadowJK | still omap3 |
| 17:22.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | drdaeman: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-call |
| 17:22.42 | drdaeman | DocScrutinizer51, thank you |
| 17:22.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
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| 17:23.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | drdaeman: ping me whenever you got first results please ;-) |
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| 17:23.46 | drdaeman | okay |
| 17:25.29 | drdaeman | Still a long way to go, though (I've only managed to access addressbook and dump data to stdout yet). Still just trying to learn how everything works. |
| 17:26.25 | Jaffa | drdaeman: what're you doing, OOI? |
| 17:27.56 | RST38h | maemo.org pages now take minutes to load. literally. |
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| 17:28.33 | drdaeman | Jaffa, learning how to use Python to ease some everyday tasks. While learning, I've decided to write small app to add grouping to contacts (like "work", "family" etc.) as there's no such thing in N900 yet. I know that's a kludge, though. |
| 17:29.54 | drdaeman | Just a custom UI which will present me with several buttons, then display contacts only in selected group. |
| 17:30.39 | anidel | are there any interesting books about Qt? |
| 17:30.43 | anidel | Qt devel of course |
| 17:31.24 | RST38h | Ahhahaha |
| 17:31.40 | anidel | laughing at my query? :) |
| 17:31.42 | anidel | how you dare? |
| 17:31.44 | anidel | :p |
| 17:31.47 | RST38h | Philip Dick family is suing Google for using the name Nexus One |
| 17:31.55 | RST38h | rotlfs |
| 17:32.07 | anidel | insmod rotlfs.ko |
| 17:32.11 | anidel | rotlfs |
| 17:32.17 | RST38h | Not only the guy himself was a dick, but it runs in the family! |
| 17:32.36 | luke-jr | anidel: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/index.html |
| 17:32.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: LOL |
| 17:32.55 | leon- | ffs, who sues for shit like that :) |
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| 17:33.24 | anidel | luke-jr, I know that.. wondering if there's a PDF or a book to buy# |
| 17:33.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf rotlfs |
| 17:34.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf rotfl |
| 17:34.18 | anidel | it's the ROTFL file system |
| 17:34.23 | luke-jr | RST38h: what basis do they claim? |
| 17:34.55 | RST38h | luke-jr: Nexus One has been used to call the replicants in Bladerunner |
| 17:35.08 | luke-jr | .. |
| 17:35.12 | RST38h | well, in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". |
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| 17:35.37 | luke-jr | so? |
| 17:35.38 | luke-jr | that's a book |
| 17:35.40 | luke-jr | this is a phone |
| 17:35.44 | VDVsx | anidel, Qt website has a list |
| 17:35.46 | luke-jr | trademarks only pollute a single namespace |
| 17:35.50 | VDVsx | there's one recommended |
| 17:36.00 | anidel | VDVsx, cool thanks look for that |
| 17:36.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | namespace is a fuzy clowd in trademark jurisdiction |
| 17:36.47 | Jaffa | anidel: http://cartan.cas.suffolk.edu/oopdocbook/ is an open source C++/Qt introduction textbook used at a uni. I've been working through it, seems quite good. |
| 17:37.20 | VDVsx | RST38h, who's Philip Dick ? :p |
| 17:37.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | intel was sued for triton by a champagne manufacturer |
| 17:37.32 | woglinde | hm bruce wrote a qt book hm |
| 17:38.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | (at least I seem to remember such a story) |
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| 17:39.21 | anidel | Jaffa thanks! |
| 17:39.38 | RST38h | VDVsx: An american SF writer |
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| 17:40.11 | woglinde | hm the book costs 43 $ at amazon |
| 17:40.44 | anidel | woglinde, which book is that? |
| 17:40.53 | Klowner | thwaps VDVsx with a foam noodle for not knowing who PKD is |
| 17:40.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | VDVsx: you're kidding? Philip K. Dick |
| 17:40.58 | RST38h | VDVsx: Known for schizofrenia |
| 17:40.58 | woglinde | anidel which jaffa pointed too |
| 17:41.11 | woglinde | andiel so I dont know if its legal what they doing |
| 17:41.21 | VDVsx | wow, Blade Runner |
| 17:41.41 | VDVsx | Klowner, DocScrutinizer51 I'm a kid ;) |
| 17:41.58 | anidel | woglinde, ah you named Bruce, so I thought you were talking about a different one |
| 17:42.03 | VDVsx | now I know ;) |
| 17:42.04 | anidel | anyway..one's enough |
| 17:42.07 | RST38h | VDVsx: Also http://www.lem.pl/english/faq#P.K.Dick |
| 17:42.29 | Stskeeps | ponders if he should trust a LCD TV running linux |
| 17:42.35 | jza | hi so I am a bit nervous |
| 17:42.38 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, yes |
| 17:42.40 | jza | I got the Flasher |
| 17:42.45 | woglinde | Stskeeps ask samsung for the sourcecode |
| 17:42.47 | VDVsx | has a DVD running linux |
| 17:42.51 | jza | then I got the message Suitable USB device not found, waiiting |
| 17:42.55 | VDVsx | *DVD player |
| 17:42.57 | Klowner | Im only 27, don't gimmie that "kid" stuff :) |
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| 17:43.06 | jza | then I remove the USB and plug it back hold U and got the USB logo (step 5) |
| 17:43.13 | Stskeeps | woglinde: in this case it is sony |
| 17:43.22 | VDVsx | Klowner, I'm only a bit younger ;) |
| 17:43.24 | jza | however the flasher command is not being executed |
| 17:43.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | never trust *any* TV! |
| 17:43.33 | jza | anyone here with experience flashing the N900? |
| 17:43.59 | simula_ | picks up his TV and throws it against the wall |
| 17:44.30 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i mostly view my own choice of content, i could consider going for a tuner-less one :P |
| 17:44.38 | Jaffa | woglinde: They're the book authors. Read the preface. Quite a few books are available electronically from the authors and printed from the publisher |
| 17:45.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: that's usually called 'monitor' then |
| 17:45.17 | Jaffa | woglinde: Or, rather, "This document is always under development. Distribution of this work or derivative of the work is permitted under the OPL, as long as proper attribution is made." |
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| 17:45.31 | woglinde | jaffa didnt see they run the course |
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| 17:45.38 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: yeah |
| 17:48.09 | VDVsx | reads about Philip K. Dick |
| 17:48.30 | jza | anyone help me out? |
| 17:48.32 | VDVsx | oh the guy died before I was born |
| 17:48.35 | hrw | bye all |
| 17:48.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: xchat creates completely illegible yellow and light green nicks on light background. And clue how to restrict nick coloring to dark colors? |
| 17:48.55 | RST38h | Doc: The background in the default config is black |
| 17:49.09 | VDVsx | jza, linux or windows ? |
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| 17:49.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah I know (and hate) *that* |
| 17:49.18 | RST38h | Doc: If you change the background color, you should also change other colors to be compatible with that |
| 17:49.19 | ccooke | yay! Third n900 in this house arrives tomorrow. Soon, I will have the entire world's supply |
| 17:49.23 | Khertan | hello everybody |
| 17:49.33 | RST38h | Well, the original IRC had black background, sorry |
| 17:49.33 | jza | VDVsx: linux |
| 17:49.38 | jza | I went smooth till step 4 |
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| 17:49.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: change *which* colors then? |
| 17:49.52 | jza | and even 5 but there was nothing talking about what I was suppose to see on the shell |
| 17:49.58 | RST38h | Doc: the ones in settings |
| 17:50.13 | VDVsx | jza, is the device turned off ? |
| 17:50.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm I didn't find a set of colors to choose for nicks |
| 17:50.39 | VDVsx | jza, I normally run the command, then plug the cable without holding any key |
| 17:50.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: seems xchat does that automatically |
| 17:51.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: thus my question: where to change this behaviour to restrict to dark colors for nicks |
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| 17:53.51 | ShadowJK | turn off nick colouring |
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| 17:54.20 | ShadowJK | "colored nicknames" |
| 17:55.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | turning off is cheap :) |
| 17:55.30 | VDVsx | jza, any luck ? |
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| 17:58.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | also strange enough I don,t have this problem with N810 xchat |
| 17:59.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe set background to clean white might help.... :-S |
| 18:01.38 | anidel | gotta go...ttyl |
| 18:02.23 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 18:02.24 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 18:04.11 | tybollt | funkeh... I mounted my mini sd in the desktop to transfer some files - unmount it and put back in n900 |
| 18:04.23 | tybollt | fucker won't mount it |
| 18:04.26 | tybollt | so I reboot |
| 18:04.35 | tybollt | still no fricken card mounted |
| 18:04.48 | tybollt | put it back in desktop - works a treat... |
| 18:04.54 | tybollt | hrrm |
| 18:05.07 | ShadowJK | how big was your hammer to make minisd fit in N900... |
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| 18:05.17 | tybollt | jajaja |
| 18:05.19 | tybollt | microsd |
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| 18:10.31 | VDVsx | DocScrutinizer51, take that: "BusyBox - The Swiss Army Knife of Embedded Linux" hihi |
| 18:10.34 | VDVsx | :D |
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| 18:11.20 | tybollt | hmm |
| 18:11.37 | tybollt | so the n900 not reading an sd is unheard of? |
| 18:11.44 | tybollt | guess my unit is b0rked then |
| 18:11.55 | tybollt | feh |
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| 18:12.14 | toggles_w | fmt it in the n900 |
| 18:12.16 | Caesium | what does dmesg have to say about it? |
| 18:12.48 | LuciusMare | hi,can be n900 used as a bridge between two wireless networks? |
| 18:12.57 | frals | did you put the cover back on before trying to mount it? |
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| 18:13.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | VDVsx: you know I have such a original swiss army knife in my pocket: 3 tools one of which is a blade of 30mm length |
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| 18:14.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | skribbles 'busybox' on that "knife" and then places it on the railway rail |
| 18:15.40 | VDVsx | :D |
| 18:16.01 | timeless | looks for someone w/ an n900 and a bit of time |
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| 18:16.41 | LuciusMare | looks for someone who looks for someone with n900 and a bit of time because he has both |
| 18:17.19 | Corsac | timeless: fire |
| 18:17.30 | LuciusMare | but the search seems pointless,don't you think, timeless? |
| 18:17.41 | Corsac | looks for a bit of time too |
| 18:17.49 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 18:19.31 | tybollt | frals: good point, I didn't in this case |
| 18:19.34 | tybollt | frals: will try |
| 18:19.44 | LuciusMare | timeless: so what do you want to do? |
| 18:20.28 | *** part/#maemo samppa (n=samppa@cs181070168.pp.htv.fi) |
| 18:20.46 | timeless | lucius: if you have 51-, lemme ping you |
| 18:20.53 | LuciusMare | 51-? |
| 18:20.58 | timeless | otherwise i have someone who ponged |
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| 18:21.15 | LuciusMare | what does that mean? |
| 18:21.37 | VDVsx | LuciusMare, if you don't know you don't have it :p |
| 18:21.48 | LuciusMare | oh. |
| 18:21.49 | VDVsx | 51.1 is Pr1.1 |
| 18:21.51 | frals | its the software version LuciusMare |
| 18:21.54 | VDVsx | fw in testing |
| 18:21.55 | LuciusMare | ah |
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| 18:22.46 | timeless | technically it's a candidate |
| 18:22.50 | LuciusMare | sorry then,i cant help. |
| 18:23.01 | timeless | we have no idea if, when, or what we're shipping next |
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| 18:23.06 | tybollt | frals 1 - tybollt 0 :) |
| 18:23.06 | timeless | yeah, no problem |
| 18:23.15 | frals | tybollt: hehe :) |
| 18:23.19 | timeless | first volunteer helped sufficiently |
| 18:23.32 | timeless | depressingly as ever, but them's the ... |
| 18:23.39 | tybollt | frals: guess the cover applies pressure to the card so it is seated firmly against the pins |
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| 18:24.23 | timeless | vdvsx: when the bug appears, feel free to see if it applies to 51-1 |
| 18:24.35 | VDVsx | samppa1, hey, congrats and good luck in the new job :) |
| 18:24.45 | samppa1 | VDVsx: hey, thanx :) |
| 18:24.54 | VDVsx | timeless, which one? |
| 18:25.04 | SpeedEvil | ponders a fountain app. A realistic fountain appears, amid pink hills, responing accurately to the accellerometer. As you zoom out - tubgirl! |
| 18:25.28 | tybollt | hmm |
| 18:25.47 | SpeedEvil | the camera button sets the strength of flow. |
| 18:25.54 | tybollt | my pudding accelerometer would be great w/ "2girls1cup" actually |
| 18:26.00 | tybollt | thanks for the idea speedy |
| 18:26.22 | tybollt | ;) |
| 18:27.04 | RST38h | SpeedEvil" as you zoom IN or OUT? |
| 18:27.11 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Or BOTH? |
| 18:27.19 | muppis | It's just me or did DN3D installation messed with my N900 keymapping? |
| 18:27.42 | VDVsx | timeless, I've to report back on a microb bug, is fixed in pr1.1, let me see if I can found it |
| 18:28.36 | muppis | I'm now got å, ä and ö replaced by arrowkey, period and comma. |
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| 18:30.42 | RST38h | suddenly gets it |
| 18:31.17 | RST38h | The historical competition between newspapers will end up as compatition between ereader models |
| 18:31.39 | SpeedEvil | don't see it |
| 18:32.17 | RST38h | well, you buy the ereader you are most comfortable with |
| 18:32.35 | RST38h | it comes with access to newspapers which signed agreements with the ereader manufacturer |
| 18:33.05 | ShadowJK | muppis, is hardware keyboard layout in setup->text input changed? |
| 18:33.12 | RST38h | So the deciding factors are 1) hardware you like 2) software running on it and 3) available subscriptions |
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| 18:34.40 | muppis | ShadowJK, thanks. :) That one was changed. I though I already checked all settings before coming here, but missed that one. :) |
| 18:34.58 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: horrible idea. |
| 18:36.13 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Yet, that is what seems to be happening |
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| 18:51.28 | RST38h | maemo.org is dead =( |
| 18:51.46 | VDVsx | ....for good |
| 18:51.48 | VDVsx | hides |
| 18:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | "For my last act as chair"? :P |
| 18:52.13 | Stskeeps | next up, VDVsx getting arrested for spending the maemo.org budget on a strip bar in vegas |
| 18:52.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:52.30 | RST38h | Budget? It has got a budget? |
| 18:52.36 | VDVsx | already has the tickets |
| 18:52.47 | VDVsx | RST38h, yes, I stole it from the maemo.org team |
| 18:54.18 | frals | anyone know of a way to get the phonenumber via dbus/gconf? |
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| 18:54.54 | lizardo | Arkenoi: you were the one having problems to install gpodder due to python-glade2 conflict, right ? I made a bug report after I managed to reproduce the problem: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7759 |
| 18:54.56 | povbot` | Bug 7759: Application manager fails to resolve conflicting dependencies during installation |
| 18:55.32 | lizardo | looks like a Application manager bug, not specific to Python or gpodder |
| 18:56.04 | RST38h | is ready to start hitting his head at the wall |
| 18:56.18 | RST38h | Cannot even get to Maemo.org Downloads |
| 18:56.52 | tybollt | gently puts RST38h in a room-w/-padded-walls. |
| 18:56.56 | tybollt | ;) |
| 18:57.02 | VDVsx | RST38h, works here |
| 18:57.18 | LuciusMare_n900 | i hope padded means "metal plated" :P |
| 18:57.27 | RST38h | VDVsx: takes minutes to load any page here |
| 18:57.39 | VDVsx | RST38h, your emu hit the front page |
| 18:57.42 | tybollt | RST38h++, I can't load it either |
| 18:57.54 | RST38h | VDVsx: And I need to upload the screenshots. |
| 18:58.07 | RST38h | And it literally takes hours of trying |
| 18:58.09 | VDVsx | is slow as usual here |
| 18:58.19 | RST38h | Can we please get it fixed? |
| 18:58.41 | RST38h | YOu are the councilman, could you please talk to tekojo about fixing this INDEPENDENTLY of getting new servers? |
| 18:58.45 | VDVsx | probably some arkamani(or some similar name :D) is striking in your end |
| 18:58.56 | tybollt | arkanoid? |
| 18:59.08 | RST38h | VDVsx: Well, I tried both http and https |
| 18:59.17 | RST38h | https should not be going through akamai |
| 18:59.27 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, Akamai? :P |
| 18:59.41 | VDVsx | that |
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| 19:00.14 | VDVsx | X-Fade, ping |
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| 19:02.56 | AndrewFBlack | Hello |
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| 19:03.26 | RST38h | omg color ebook readers |
| 19:03.44 | TomaszD | I wanted to port poedit, but it needs wxwidgets2.8, but those need opengl headers to build and can't disable opengl... |
| 19:04.01 | RST38h | FAIL |
| 19:04.30 | unixSnob | i've been waiting for the color ebooks |
| 19:04.54 | unixSnob | i'd buy one |
| 19:05.07 | RST38h | extra gadgets bad for karma |
| 19:05.08 | unixSnob | as long as it's not closed proprietary kindle garbage |
| 19:05.16 | RST38h | Should only be one gadget |
| 19:05.23 | frals | hmm, headers marked as "MANDATORY" is probably good to include when sending a message |
| 19:05.32 | frals | bashes head against the desk |
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| 19:05.33 | tank-man | one ring ... to rule them all |
| 19:05.38 | RST38h | + a medpack with sensors, diagnostics, and a bunch of syringes |
| 19:05.40 | unixSnob | RST38h: a NIT is too small for book reading |
| 19:05.52 | tybollt | ? when did linux camp start having problem w/ closed source? :D |
| 19:05.53 | RST38h | unixSnob: Well then the NIT has to be made bigger |
| 19:06.00 | RST38h | But I hope Nokia already knows that |
| 19:06.01 | tybollt | long as nvidia send the binaries :D |
| 19:06.20 | VDVsx | M$ tablet/applet tablet/ dell tablet a bunch of them coming it seems |
| 19:06.37 | RST38h | VDVsx: I have just seend Dell tablet hands on |
| 19:06.56 | RST38h | VDVsx: It is UMPC aka MID, now renamed into slate |
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| 19:07.02 | RST38h | Running Windows7 |
| 19:07.06 | VDVsx | RST38h, what OS it runs ? |
| 19:07.08 | VDVsx | ouch |
| 19:07.14 | RST38h | So, I see no point |
| 19:07.22 | RST38h | It is no comlog, N900 is |
| 19:07.25 | VDVsx | Win 7 is Sh*** |
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| 19:07.47 | luke-jr | tybollt: then use Windows |
| 19:07.55 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: install something else then :P |
| 19:08.24 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, probably is not open enough for that |
| 19:08.39 | tybollt | luke-jr: You are aware the n900 is ... closed source garbage? :) |
| 19:08.59 | tybollt | (to some extent) |
| 19:09.12 | ml-N900 | I guess zealots will not be happy until everyone ignores them |
| 19:09.15 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: if it runs windows 7, i would think it is :P |
| 19:09.23 | unixSnob | tybollt: is it more closed than the n800? |
| 19:09.33 | Hukka | lists.maemo.org has been down for an hour already, any idea what's going on? |
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| 19:09.36 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, lol |
| 19:10.13 | arachnist | tybollt: i wouldn't call it garbage. |
| 19:10.15 | Stskeeps | Hukka: thought that was migrated already |
| 19:10.16 | VDVsx | sends a dell tablet to Stskeeps for Mer propose |
| 19:10.17 | luke-jr | tybollt: everyone here knows I am pretty aware. |
| 19:10.20 | unixSnob | i'm deterred from the n900 simply because it only supports /one/ sim chip |
| 19:10.30 | luke-jr | tybollt: though supposedly it is much better than N810 |
| 19:10.32 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: i'd send it to someone else as i'm doing nokia stuff mostly :P |
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| 19:10.59 | ml-N900 | I'd like to see what you'd consider not garbage |
| 19:11.03 | luke-jr | tybollt: do you know of a current-gen open source handheld? |
| 19:11.04 | tybollt | arachnist: ehr the "garbage" bit was really just quoting someone else... anyway. |
| 19:11.27 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, well if is open stuff, other devices will benefit |
| 19:11.28 | arachnist | tybollt: it's still the most usable phone that has a system quite close to a normal linux distro |
| 19:11.38 | arachnist | (unlike android) |
| 19:11.40 | unixSnob | luke-jr: an n800 not running maemo is open source |
| 19:11.47 | tybollt | arachnist: no argues there, I love my n900 =) |
| 19:11.55 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: tbh i have too many tablets :P q5, n800,n810,n900, Joggler |
| 19:11.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:12.00 | Stskeeps | and a dead 770 |
| 19:12.09 | arachnist | funny |
| 19:12.11 | luke-jr | unixSnob: an N800 not running any Maemo is a brick that won't boot. |
| 19:12.14 | arachnist | most 770's are now dead |
| 19:12.23 | unixSnob | luke-jr: well you can put an open os on it |
| 19:12.27 | luke-jr | unixSnob: no, you can't. |
| 19:12.30 | Stskeeps | arachnist: well, i castrated mine. needed the charging plug. |
| 19:12.37 | unixSnob | luke-jr: sure you can |
| 19:12.38 | r2d2rogers | makes a note to check his 770s at home |
| 19:12.39 | Stskeeps | my n810 had broken, so |
| 19:12.41 | luke-jr | unixSnob: you can, but it will drain the battery and not boot |
| 19:12.46 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, use some to control you house, one in the fridge, one in the bath, ... :P |
| 19:12.51 | unixSnob | luke-jr: so picky! |
| 19:12.55 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: i think i have enough to do that by now |
| 19:12.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:13.01 | luke-jr | unixSnob: what good is a non-booting device? |
| 19:13.01 | arachnist | Stskeeps: let me gues: an issue with N900? |
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| 19:13.32 | unixSnob | luke-jr: you can say to your friends that you have one of very few open OS handhelds :P |
| 19:13.40 | ml-N900 | that's what external power supplies attached to the battery leads are for |
| 19:13.42 | Stskeeps | arachnist: no, charging plug, not usb |
| 19:13.52 | Stskeeps | arachnist: i managed to kill my n810 charging plug by a broken charger plug |
| 19:13.56 | luke-jr | unixSnob: I including "bootable" in my definition of an "open OS handheld" |
| 19:14.04 | unixSnob | doh! |
| 19:14.28 | arachnist | luke-jr: what do you need to boot it for, really? ;) |
| 19:14.33 | luke-jr | arachnist: ... |
| 19:14.48 | arachnist | luke-jr: note the ";)" at the end |
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| 19:15.49 | tybollt | luke-jr: that is kind of my point. Many new handhelds have the same or very similar TI Omap ARM8 chips. All complete w/ the binary blob PowerVR chip in it :) |
| 19:15.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: N810 charging receptacle is a spring contact component. No soldering. Really easy to replace |
| 19:16.20 | unixSnob | wonders why Nokia left out IR |
| 19:16.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | where? |
| 19:16.39 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, that's what i did |
| 19:16.55 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i needed to get the receptacle from somewhere, and my 770 was a willing donor |
| 19:16.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:17.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 19:17.24 | luke-jr | tybollt: AFAIK, besides the PowerVR, the rest of the OMAP is open; the other stuff is all perhipherals |
| 19:17.37 | tybollt | luke-jr: sure |
| 19:17.39 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, the IVA stuff is also closed |
| 19:17.40 | luke-jr | unixSnob: does anyone use IR anymore? |
| 19:17.45 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: IVA? |
| 19:17.59 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, the video decoding acceleration thing. |
| 19:18.09 | tybollt | luke-jr: same god damn (pardon my french) NDA games for the gfx chip though, and as RST38h noted yesterday - it's unlikely to ever change, sigh... |
| 19:18.13 | GeneralAntilles | DSP on the OMAP3 |
| 19:18.31 | unixSnob | luke-jr: IR enables a Palm (for example) to function as a TV remote |
| 19:18.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 |
| 19:18.40 | ShadowJK | Supposedly it's special blocks for video decode that's only accessible from the DSP, but that's not even certain, it's not documented at all |
| 19:18.44 | unixSnob | luke-jr: so they're still used, just not as much for the original intent |
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| 19:19.13 | luke-jr | tybollt: NDAs are not a problem |
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| 19:19.19 | ShadowJK | N900 can act as TV remote... otherwise I think IR is pretty much gone in 2009 on Nokia devices |
| 19:19.20 | luke-jr | at least not in general |
| 19:19.31 | luke-jr | unixSnob: who uses TV? :) |
| 19:19.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | unixSnob: so what? I use my N900 same way |
| 19:19.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | irreco is the name of the app |
| 19:20.15 | tybollt | I need to find a very complete database of remotes for mine |
| 19:20.29 | arachnist | IR on the N900 might be useful for causing chaos in shops |
| 19:20.36 | unixSnob | DocScrutinizer51: n900 has IR? |
| 19:20.37 | luke-jr | anyone know if Gitorious has a GitWeb interface? :| |
| 19:20.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 19:20.56 | AndrewFBlack | anyone interested in helping me change Macuco for Diablo to run on Fremantle and make it access t.m.o instead. I want to make a native t.m.o application that turns all the menu links into a native menu |
| 19:20.59 | unixSnob | luke-jr: well i don't, but I like to go into bars and the like and take control... muahaha |
| 19:21.43 | Caesium | tried that in an airport once, didn't work :( |
| 19:22.21 | Caesium | the flight info screens in heathrow (and probably most airports) are just standard LCD TVs, but they must have disabled the IR or locked it down or something |
| 19:23.38 | unixSnob | Caesium: well if it's the screens showing flights, you could really cause trouble. i thought you were talking about the gate area screens showing the news |
| 19:23.58 | unixSnob | could be useful to shut off Faux News whenever encountered :P |
| 19:24.24 | ShadowJK | unixSnob, it has CIR which is good for controlling TVs... it's not irda, no good for data transfer |
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| 19:24.44 | GeneralAntilles | Almost killed myself having to listen to HLN at JFK. |
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| 19:27.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | for high end TV sets (like Loewe) you can configure nearly everything via OSD menu in service mode. For sure if IR is enabled or not |
| 19:28.03 | frals | FUCK YEAH IM AWESOME |
| 19:28.07 | frals | (sorry had to do it) |
| 19:28.16 | frals | my latest fMMS sends MMS from a bunch of carriers now |
| 19:28.20 | frals | GOD this feels good |
| 19:28.26 | Caesium | ~frals++ |
| 19:28.27 | Caesium | :D |
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| 19:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | frals, watch Nokia's gonna release MMS with the next update. *eg* |
| 19:29.07 | ShadowJK | oh are they? |
| 19:29.41 | frals | GeneralAntilles: who cares, the community beat them to it! ;-) |
| 19:29.57 | micke | What ever, at least the bazaar beats the cathedral :D |
| 19:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | frals, we often do. It's kind of the point. :P |
| 19:30.32 | _berto_ | are the maemo mailing lists still down ? |
| 19:30.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: ac |
| 19:30.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | ack |
| 19:31.36 | samppa | frals: are you going to put fMMS to extras-devel or is it there already? |
| 19:31.54 | frals | not in devel yet; deb at http://mms.frals.se atm |
| 19:32.15 | frals | gonna get it to repos after ive added a few minor cosmetic fixes |
| 19:32.39 | samppa | frals: ok |
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| 19:34.23 | _claesbas | why are the community not informed about updates like MMS support in advance ? |
| 19:34.38 | an0therb0x | please help... my camera no longer works on my N900... i get "operation failed" |
| 19:34.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | darn! either minesweeper or flashlight0.3 killed my screen-brightness/snapshot gadget in systray. Guess who,s y main suspect |
| 19:34.43 | tybollt | _claesbas: is there such now |
| 19:34.57 | an0therb0x | this is a terrible ... |
| 19:35.03 | GeneralAntilles | Whoa guys, it was a JOKE. . . . |
| 19:35.08 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 19:35.13 | _claesbas | GeneralAntilles, oh |
| 19:35.15 | _claesbas | hehehe |
| 19:35.16 | GeneralAntilles | Do not construe it as an indication that MMS is actually going to ship. :rolleyes: |
| 19:35.24 | micke | an0therb0x did you do something whit the memory card? |
| 19:36.24 | an0therb0x | micke: how do you mean ? ... i have an 8GB microSD in there |
| 19:36.27 | _claesbas | well if it ships it would be nice if things like that was notified to the community atleast some time before it is ship.. at least when the Nokia team nails the desision to start working on it |
| 19:36.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | flashlight gadget also gone :-(( |
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| 19:37.23 | jevin | are there currently problems with the maemo apt repos? apt-get update keeps timing out |
| 19:37.38 | LuciusMare | wonders what would happen if i would 'echo mem>/sys/power/state' |
| 19:37.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart flashlight-0.3 update |
| 19:37.40 | infobot | beats flashlight-0.3 update senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 19:37.53 | micke | an0therb0x: I formated my card to ext3 and the camera could no longer use it, and i got that error |
| 19:37.57 | LuciusMare | huh? |
| 19:38.04 | LuciusMare | why is the update bad? |
| 19:38.07 | micke | I had to start storing pics on internal storage |
| 19:38.08 | LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer51: what's wrong with it? |
| 19:38.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | see my ast three comments |
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| 19:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, open the lens cover? |
| 19:38.45 | LuciusMare | i wasnt there yet. |
| 19:39.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: suuuure :)) |
| 19:39.18 | frals | times like these i wish i was aggregated at planet-maemo to post a blogpost about MMS support... oh well :) |
| 19:39.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: darn! either minesweeper or flashlight0.3 killed my screen-brightness/snapshot gadget in systray. Guess who,s y main suspect |
| 19:39.45 | LuciusMare | ah |
| 19:39.54 | LuciusMare | snapshot gadget? |
| 19:40.00 | an0therb0x | micke: how do i even change the setting to tell the camera to use internal storage if i can not open up the camera app |
| 19:40.04 | SpeedEvil | Anyone players with weighjinni - I tried to import some weights and it doesn't seem to want to know dates in 2010 |
| 19:40.10 | SpeedEvil | weight |
| 19:40.13 | an0therb0x | micke: the camera display opens for a micro sec and fails |
| 19:40.20 | micke | an0therb0x: beats me... |
| 19:40.24 | LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: its the 2kx bug |
| 19:40.28 | LuciusMare | :P |
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| 19:40.35 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: looks like it. |
| 19:40.49 | LuciusMare | 2KX is the new 2KY! |
| 19:41.09 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to export my data from a web 0.2 website. |
| 19:41.49 | LuciusMare | huh |
| 19:41.57 | LuciusMare | i wasnt even connected, i just rebooted |
| 19:42.01 | LuciusMare | >_< |
| 19:42.13 | SpeedEvil | may take up to 10 mins to timeout |
| 19:42.27 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 19:42.30 | SpeedEvil | which is good on occasiona as it means you can just pickup interrupted sessions |
| 19:42.45 | LuciusMare | oh,and bluemaemo does not work for me,lemme paste the error message |
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| 19:44.53 | LuciusMare | my tablet froze |
| 19:44.55 | LuciusMare | >:( |
| 19:47.17 | jevin | can somebody else try to get repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/Release.gpg |
| 19:47.23 | LuciusMare | http://pastebin.com/d7654cb79 |
| 19:47.27 | jevin | it gives me a 404 (and breaks apt-get, of course) |
| 19:47.51 | jevin | a 404 after a very long timeout (the CDN is flaking out?) |
| 19:47.56 | SpeedEvil | sdk broken for me too |
| 19:48.31 | jevin | SpeedEvil, know of any mirrors? |
| 19:48.51 | LuciusMare | anyone? :( |
| 19:49.15 | SpeedEvil | jevin: there are a couple in my bathroom. |
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| 19:51.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: the *is*... ? |
| 19:52.05 | SpeedEvil | plural - there are two mirrors. |
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| 19:52.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | bah |
| 19:52.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | how boring |
| 19:54.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought your bathroom was occupied by a couple |
| 19:54.46 | frade | hi, does anybody know about how to get the selection from a hildon.TouchSelector in multiple selection mode? |
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| 19:56.31 | xorAxAx | frals: cool |
| 19:56.33 | LuciusMare_n900 | please? |
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| 19:56.56 | _berto_ | frade: get_selected_rows |
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| 20:02.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf??!! actually *all* my additional systray gadgets are gone since flashlight update a fewhours ago |
| 20:02.30 | GAN900 | Restart? |
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| 20:02.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | not yet |
| 20:03.15 | frade | _berto_, do you have an example in python? |
| 20:03.15 | frade | maybe there is a problem in the python bindings |
| 20:03.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | you think it's worth a reboot? |
| 20:03.16 | xorAxAx | port android and abandon maemo? |
| 20:03.19 | frade | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.21 | frade | AttributeError: 'hildon.TouchSelector' object has no attribute 'get_selected_rows' |
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| 20:03.28 | _berto_ | frade: no, not in python |
| 20:03.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | or may I just restart the systray task / daemon / whatever? |
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| 20:04.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: restart? (what exactly?) or reboot? |
| 20:04.57 | GeneralAntilles | Reboot |
| 20:05.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | k |
| 20:05.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | cya in a minute |
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| 20:08.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: k, reboot fixed it (except for flashlight which I haven,t checked yet) |
| 20:09.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | 'you moved the position of your mouse cursor. Please reboot windows for the change to take effect' :-S |
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| 20:11.20 | Muhvi | http://koti.tnnet.fi/muhvi/linux_vs_windows_phone.jpg |
| 20:11.39 | frals | hehe |
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| 20:12.03 | Dassu | wat. that right one O_O |
| 20:12.10 | Dassu | I mean what were they thinking.... |
| 20:12.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | flashlight a clumsy and functional as before |
| 20:12.23 | Muhvi | its actually logistics pda |
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| 20:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, you take risks when you install stuff that's in testing or devel |
| 20:12.28 | Muhvi | but it has gprs and gps |
| 20:12.43 | Muhvi | but i thought it would make funny picture, as it is windows os in it :D |
| 20:12.54 | Dassu | how long have you guys been waiting for your n900? |
| 20:12.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: ooh? no kidding? ;-) |
| 20:13.20 | Dassu | I ordered mine in 19.12 |
| 20:13.27 | Dassu | and still no word on it |
| 20:13.34 | SpeedEvil | Dassu: -38 days |
| 20:13.38 | lizardo | frade: looks like get_selected_rows() is not implemented for hildon.TouchSelector on Python |
| 20:13.40 | Dassu | SpeedEvil: :/ k |
| 20:13.47 | lizardo | frade: can you fill a bug report on it? |
| 20:14.04 | lizardo | frade: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo |
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| 20:15.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: I lke to think of it like "I'm taking opportunities to spank developers every now and then" ;-P |
| 20:17.23 | yuizy | is there any way to get vgb run faster? |
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| 20:20.14 | woglinde | yuizy whats vgb? |
| 20:20.31 | yuizy | virtual gameboy |
| 20:20.33 | yuizy | :) |
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| 20:23.37 | woglinde | yuizy hm javispedri would know it |
| 20:23.45 | woglinde | ups javispedro |
| 20:26.22 | slonopotamus | really needs scrollbar in fremantle xchat userlist |
| 20:27.28 | Macer | heh |
| 20:27.32 | Macer | use ssh and irssi ;) |
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| 20:29.11 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: just turn off the userlist :) |
| 20:29.20 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: what you really need is a filter feature |
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| 20:31.11 | odinm | odinm is back in UK.... N900 did 14000miles |
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| 20:32.56 | lardman | evening |
| 20:33.10 | Stskeeps | evening |
| 20:33.13 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, i need scrollbar |
| 20:33.13 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, because i don't remember whom i want to talk to but might recall if see him in userlist. |
| 20:33.15 | woglinde | jo lardman |
| 20:33.37 | lardman | curses snow |
| 20:33.55 | lardman | or rather curses his steep drive and the ice now on it stopping me getting car back in garage |
| 20:34.45 | GAN900 | lardman, fun. |
| 20:34.46 | odinm | 14000miles provides a new perspective on work to be done |
| 20:35.08 | GAN900 | had a bit of frost on his windshield this morning. |
| 20:35.12 | lardman | GAN900: handbrake turns and scandanavian flicks in deserted car park were fun, but getting back no so much |
| 20:36.00 | Muhvi | its been 4 weeks of about -20 here |
| 20:36.06 | lardman | looks at cost of shovel |
| 20:36.16 | lardman | Muhvi: we're not really prepared for it |
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| 20:36.32 | Muhvi | here people are mostly |
| 20:36.34 | lardman | crampons might be useful too for walking to work |
| 20:37.28 | Muhvi | only thing i'm missing is good scarf, face is freezing when its -20 or below |
| 20:37.49 | lardman | I can believe it |
| 20:38.07 | lardman | was only ~-2C here today but felt quite warm |
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| 20:38.29 | lardman | no wind and low humidity atm |
| 20:38.30 | Muhvi | hehe, here it has been warm and it's -16 :D |
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| 20:38.36 | lardman | :) |
| 20:38.42 | Jef91 | howdy all |
| 20:38.51 | b-man17 | it's snowing an inch an hour here O_o |
| 20:39.05 | Jef91 | b-man17 you in Chicago? |
| 20:39.07 | lardman | walking uphill in the snow is a killer |
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| 20:39.12 | Muhvi | it should be warm soon though, next five days ---> http://www.fmi.fi/saa/paikalli.html?place=Jyvaskyla |
| 20:39.23 | b-man17 | Jef91: just south of Toledo, ohio |
| 20:39.28 | lardman | walked to work yesterday, was hard work, slipped back 3/4 step for every one I took |
| 20:39.32 | lardman | good work out ;) |
| 20:39.39 | b-man17 | about 245 miles east of you xD |
| 20:39.42 | Muhvi | i hate slippery roads when walking |
| 20:39.45 | Jef91 | ahh kk - I'm in Chicago also snowing like crazy here |
| 20:40.08 | Jef91 | anyone know how I would go about installing lisp into a sandbox server? |
| 20:40.16 | b-man17 | that means that i'm in for a crazy evening XD |
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| 20:40.49 | inz | Muhvi, you have such cold up there; it's only -15 here, ~110 km SW from there ;) |
| 20:41.05 | b-man17 | suppose to snow 4 inches today and another 6 tonight xD |
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| 20:41.24 | lardman | lol, and we've got troubles here with only a few inches |
| 20:41.28 | b-man17 | it got soo bad i gout out of school early |
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| 20:41.46 | Muhvi | inz, yeah, i had week of army refresher training in -25 3 weeks ago, that was nice :D |
| 20:42.02 | b-man17 | 22 F here ;) |
| 20:42.48 | ShadowJK | -29C here |
| 20:42.48 | b-man17 | inz: wow |
| 20:43.18 | b-man17 | inz: oh wait, nvm C ;P |
| 20:43.37 | inz | b-man, yeah, we're civilized here ;) |
| 20:43.48 | b-man17 | lol |
| 20:44.14 | inz | or should I say celsified ;) |
| 20:45.34 | b-man17 | inz: sometimes i wonder why the US never changed to metric xD |
| 20:45.47 | Muhvi | reagan stopped it |
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| 20:46.02 | Muhvi | Carter started comission to change american system to SI |
| 20:46.07 | Muhvi | and Reagan stopped it :D |
| 20:46.14 | b-man17 | oh damn xD |
| 20:46.22 | T7g | I kinda like irritating the rest of the world with our measurement system |
| 20:46.30 | nyyppahiki | hello, just wondering what is the "normal" ram usage on n900? |
| 20:46.32 | inz | Muhvi, well SI says temperature is K ;) |
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| 20:46.45 | T7g | and it gives us hilarious results like space probes calculating in meters instead of feet and crashing into stuff |
| 20:46.55 | nyyppahiki | installed the system info widget and it shows over 150mb |
| 20:47.19 | Muhvi | inz, yup, but that's about the only different measurement we use |
| 20:47.35 | ShadowJK | has no idea how info widget measures it |
| 20:47.48 | vpv | nyyppahiki: that's probably fine, btw, you can also install the load applet to see cpu load and mem usage on the panel/whatever it is... |
| 20:48.09 | Muhvi | T7g, yeah, that was funny as hell, i can imagine the big "OOOOOOOOOPS" that someone felt when that happened |
| 20:48.28 | nyyppahiki | vpv: yes thanks i have it installed |
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| 20:49.26 | flux | suggestions for recording audio from the command line? |
| 20:50.59 | flux | ah, pulseaudio-utils has parec, I'm guessing that'll fit the bill |
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| 20:55.41 | b-man17 | LOL, my town is under a level 1 snow emergency xD |
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| 21:03.28 | lcuk | my town is under snow |
| 21:03.38 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 21:03.54 | lcuk | hiya woglinde |
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| 21:07.11 | krig | Hey, if anyone has the time, please take a look at my jamendo.com player and vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/jamaendo/0.2-1 |
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| 21:07.41 | VDVsx | krig, thanks for making this app ;) |
| 21:09.05 | flux | slow repository is slow :( |
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| 21:09.26 | lardman | lcuk: how's the washer fluid this year? |
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| 21:10.12 | Andy80 | hi |
| 21:10.22 | krig | VDVsx: my pleasure :) |
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| 21:10.26 | flux | who wrote that program called AccDisplay? |
| 21:10.35 | lcuk | not frozen, but the 4a fuse i put in last year went when it first froze over |
| 21:10.53 | Andy80 | guys.... I've to re-install Maemo SDK again on my PC, because it's a new installation... but let me say how much I'm frustrated by the installation! |
| 21:11.03 | Andy80 | I've tried the GUI one and it doesn't work at all |
| 21:11.14 | Andy80 | it continues asking for the proxy url |
| 21:11.24 | lcuk | flux, clovis scotti |
| 21:11.25 | Andy80 | and you can only cancel or put a proxy.... |
| 21:11.26 | VDVsx | Andy80, I installed last SDK using the GUI version, worked very well |
| 21:11.43 | lcuk | Andy80, me too, i installed hte gui install on a clean 32b ubuntu |
| 21:11.45 | Andy80 | then I switched back to text installer |
| 21:11.54 | Andy80 | and there's again the same DNS problem |
| 21:12.11 | Andy80 | I mean... where do we want to go with those tools :P ??? |
| 21:12.15 | lcuk | so, its a dns problem and not an installer problem |
| 21:12.47 | Andy80 | lcuk: no.... it's something fixable manually copying local resolv.conf to some folder |
| 21:12.54 | Andy80 | I don't remember which oneù |
| 21:13.13 | lcuk | are you sure thats the problem at that early stage? |
| 21:13.29 | lcuk | i tohught that only came up once you were logged in and change network details since setup |
| 21:13.45 | lcuk | ie, at install afaik it makes resolv.conf from your current settings |
| 21:14.05 | Andy80 | lcuk: try to do an apt-get update inside your scratchbox |
| 21:14.14 | Andy80 | if it works, it's not a server problem |
| 21:14.32 | lcuk | flux, theres another accelerometer test app, liqacceltests - its got a few visualizations and a funky rapid updating graph |
| 21:15.04 | lcuk | Andy80, ive done updates and upgrades and distupdates from within my scratchbox |
| 21:15.20 | lcuk | i only ever get resolv.conf style issues if i switch network |
| 21:15.33 | lcuk | whilst session is open afaik |
| 21:16.23 | Andy80 | lcuk: ok but now I'm not changin connection... I'm just at home at my desktop pc, I cannot complete the maemo sdk installation :\ |
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| 21:17.44 | lcuk | Andy80, do you wanna pastebin the console log, and which os are you using |
| 21:17.56 | Andy80 | lcuk: ok, just a minute... |
| 21:18.04 | lcuk | i know its most likely dns for whatever reason, but is it normal maemo.org urls or the cache ones |
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| 21:18.18 | Andy80 | it's retrying... |
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| 21:20.51 | da15y | is the deblet project still mentained? where can i find a deb and installn instructions, thanks |
| 21:21.00 | Stskeeps | no, Mer is it's successor |
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| 21:21.19 | da15y | can i dual boot into mer? |
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| 21:23.21 | Andy80 | lcuk: finally http://pastebin.ca/1741880 - under Ubuntu 9.10 |
| 21:25.08 | evo | question about bugzilla: I noted that an alias was added to some bugs, something like int-xxxxxx .. what does it mean? |
| 21:25.41 | lcuk | ok Andy80 if you rerun the script, does it delete the targets for armel and x86 and remake them |
| 21:26.08 | VDVsx_ | krig, I'm experiencing some crashes when I select a song or change song :( |
| 21:26.12 | Andy80 | lcuk: yes, I always choose the "delete the old targets" option.... |
| 21:26.31 | Andy80 | lcuk: but it keeps giving me the same errors |
| 21:26.42 | lcuk | Andy80, the reason is, if you try to fix resolve.conf it gets copied into target |
| 21:26.47 | lcuk | you can try the fix tho.. |
| 21:27.01 | lcuk | # |
| 21:27.01 | lcuk | Fix /etc/resolv.conf to match your network settings |
| 21:27.01 | lcuk | Example: From OUTSIDE of scratchbox $ cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/ARM/etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:27.10 | lcuk | then rerun |
| 21:27.23 | lcuk | since you already know you have clean targets (nothing downloaded into them |
| 21:27.28 | krig | VDVsx_: ouch :( alright, that's a blocker then.. strange. if you run it from a terminal you should get some output, I'd be grateful if you pasted that to me :) |
| 21:27.31 | lcuk | if this fails its back to drawing board tho |
| 21:28.06 | VDVsx_ | krig, let me try, note that I'm running pr1.1 |
| 21:28.18 | Andy80 | lcuk: I tried this too... but if I re-run, it wipes out the target.... so how can avoid my new resolv.conf to be wiped out? |
| 21:28.31 | krig | VDVsx_: oh, I see.. haven't tested against 1.1. Interesting. :) |
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| 21:28.56 | lcuk | Andy80, you just said you select "delete the old targets" whats the alternative to deleting them? |
| 21:29.17 | lcuk | krig, dont let 1.1 testing worry you :) |
| 21:29.23 | Andy80 | lcuk: ah... the alternative is keeping them, but at that point it does nothing! |
| 21:29.31 | lcuk | ahhh right |
| 21:29.35 | Andy80 | lcuk: it assumes the target are installed and exit |
| 21:29.36 | Andy80 | :\ |
| 21:29.38 | lcuk | so it doesnt try to populate them |
| 21:29.44 | lcuk | bummer |
| 21:30.40 | krig | lcuk: well, I'm probably doing something wrong for it to crash |
| 21:30.47 | Andy80 | my question is: are these instructions updated: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation ? |
| 21:30.57 | lcuk | yeah krig but i doubt its 1.1 related |
| 21:31.18 | Andy80 | lcuk: in particular... I downloaded scripts from Forum Nokia...... is it possible that they have old versions and are totally messed? |
| 21:31.33 | lcuk | no, thats unlikely |
| 21:31.38 | frals | hmm, time for lunch i think... |
| 21:31.41 | MohammadAG | Andy80, I have a tut |
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| 21:32.06 | lcuk | Andy80, i dont think *you* are doing it wrong |
| 21:32.11 | lcuk | i think you are encountering a bug tho |
| 21:32.43 | MohammadAG | Andy80, http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/31920-howto-get-linux-maemo-sdk-w-emulator-running.html |
| 21:32.47 | lcuk | have you attempted to do a complete clean and removal |
| 21:32.50 | lcuk | using hte instructions |
| 21:33.03 | lcuk | and trying again from scratch so to speak |
| 21:33.32 | Andy80 | lcuk: I was starting with a completly new machine.... I'll try to wipe out all again :\ |
| 21:35.03 | lcuk | ahhhh |
| 21:35.09 | lcuk | no Andy80 |
| 21:35.29 | VDVsx_ | krig, http://pastebin.ca/1741894 |
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| 21:35.33 | lcuk | Andy80, outside csratchbox, does |
| 21:35.49 | lcuk | ie, not a part of a target.. |
| 21:36.04 | Andy80 | lcuk: what you mean exactly? |
| 21:36.07 | lcuk | the thing which will probably get copied in to make a new target |
| 21:36.21 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.33 | lcuk | instead of what i said up there about copying it into each target |
| 21:36.37 | VDVsx_ | krig, I think you need to use a thread when skipping songs/, in order to avoid that the whole app freeze |
| 21:36.40 | Andy80 | lcuk: I tried also: sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:36.48 | Andy80 | lcuk: but nothing ..... doesn't work |
| 21:36.54 | hrw | re |
| 21:37.19 | lcuk | dunno then, the installer kinda does everything right normally :S |
| 21:37.22 | lcuk | hi hrw |
| 21:37.26 | lcuk | ill brb |
| 21:37.28 | hrw | ~curse *.maemo.org servers |
| 21:37.29 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, *.maemo.org servers ! |
| 21:37.45 | krig | VDVsz_: ah yes, I'm intending to move all the network communications to a background thread.. was kind of putting it off since it worked so well for me without it, heh. |
| 21:38.40 | Andy80 | lcuk: I'll try again, from "scratch", deleting all /scratchbox |
| 21:39.04 | VDVsx_ | krig, can be due to my connection, someone is sucking a lot of bandwidth atm :D |
| 21:39.19 | VDVsx_ | krig, but the thread will help for sure |
| 21:39.43 | krig | VDVsx_: yeah, I might as well bite the bullet and get that fixed |
| 21:40.01 | krig | VDVsz_: thanks for trying it out |
| 21:40.12 | VDVsx_ | krig, np |
| 21:40.15 | lcuk | Andy80, follow the deletion notes rather than just deleting |
| 21:41.28 | Andy80 | lcuk: ops... |
| 21:41.38 | Andy80 | lcuk: infact it doesn't let me delete some files.-.. |
| 21:41.50 | lcuk | :) |
| 21:42.08 | krig | VDVsz_: the danger of developing on a 100MB fiberoptic connection :D |
| 21:42.24 | Andy80 | lcuk: some process still in memory... I think I've to reboot :P |
| 21:42.34 | krig | well, Mbit, but.. |
| 21:42.37 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Fuzzlepuds |
| 21:42.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Fizzlefockpoppets! |
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| 21:44.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | An update to Flashlight? |
| 21:44.45 | Andy80 | brb |
| 21:44.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Needs the option to strobe at half brightness, for sending morse code |
| 21:47.06 | rlinfati | frals, i can send OK mms :D |
| 21:47.17 | frals | rlinfati: cool :) |
| 21:47.40 | rlinfati | frals, but.... i can not send me a mms :( ( to others phone OK, to email not working ) |
| 21:47.53 | rlinfati | if to == from => fail |
| 21:48.25 | frals | rlinfati: email support is not added yet, I figured if you want email someone you are gonna use email ;-) |
| 21:48.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | bah, needs an option to rise a menu on camslider open. this menu should have a switch 'flashlight on/off' that remebers last sate or a default config. then a pushbutton 'start stillcam', a pushbutton 'start videocam'. And specially for Gadgetoid_mbp a pushbutton 'morse' |
| 21:48.46 | ml-N900 | hmm |
| 21:48.51 | frals | rlinfati: sounds weird, your MMSC might check that so it doesnt deliver those messages as its a bit silly :-) |
| 21:48.55 | rlinfati | how i can see the output of fmmd.py ? is running.... |
| 21:49.17 | ml-N900 | the song order in the media player for All Songs is very... random |
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| 21:50.07 | frals | need to kill it and start it in a terminal (ps | grep fmmsd and then kill <number in first row> and then python /opt/fmms/fmmsd.py in the terminal) |
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| 21:50.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, where is the rationale to place the flashlight switch to systray?? |
| 21:50.44 | rlinfati | run as root or user? |
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| 21:51.21 | frals | root |
| 21:52.04 | ml-N900 | ohh I bet I know what's going on |
| 21:52.36 | ml-N900 | I bet it's reading the strings as something other than UTF-8 |
| 21:54.05 | Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: Should shove the desktop recording options in there for good measure, they're gumming up my menu |
| 21:54.21 | ml-N900 | notes to file a bug report later today |
| 21:54.48 | rlinfati | frals, SRC: 1025 : 9200 DST: 2948 |
| 21:54.55 | rlinfati | frals, and not do nothing more.... |
| 21:55.00 | hrw|gone | any ETA known for maemo servers upgrade? |
| 21:55.20 | hrw|gone | note that today I do not ask about 50.1 firmware release ;d |
| 21:55.31 | frals | rlinfati: okey, ill have to go through my code and check |
| 21:56.47 | lardman | rlinfati: hey |
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| 21:57.30 | rlinfati | lardman, ? |
| 21:57.50 | lardman | rlinfati: was just going to chat to you about the latitude app |
| 21:57.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | hrw|gone: they said it would be finished by next week |
| 21:58.01 | rlinfati | ok |
| 21:58.42 | lardman | and ask if you've looked at hooking into the (presumably) iphone multitouch javascript code |
| 21:58.55 | frals | rlinfati: check query when you have time please :) |
| 21:59.18 | hrw|gone | thx |
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| 21:59.32 | andre__ | ml-N900: there are already a few reports around under Data/Tracker and Media Player |
| 21:59.51 | MohammadAG | FMTX faker in -devel |
| 22:00.01 | MohammadAG | isn't it against the law? |
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| 22:01.00 | andre__ | MohammadAG, what does it do? |
| 22:01.22 | MohammadAG | fake the country to enable the FM transmitter |
| 22:02.03 | andre__ | so, against which exact country law? :-P |
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| 22:02.11 | MohammadAG | During install, the FM Transmitter Daemon will be patched to query the fmtx-faker daemon on the "allowed state". It will be unpatched on removal. It can be (un)patched on request by invoking fmtx-faker-tool in an X Terminal. |
| 22:02.26 | ml-N900 | andre__: ok |
| 22:02.28 | MohammadAG | where the fmtx is not allowed obviously :) |
| 22:02.34 | lardman | against the law in Greece so I heard |
| 22:02.34 | andre__ | "The author accepts no responsibility or liabilty for any consequences arising from installing and/or using FMTX Faker." |
| 22:02.47 | lardman | but not in the UK so I don't care |
| 22:02.50 | andre__ | qwerty needs to check his spelling here though :-P |
| 22:02.58 | rlinfati | lardman, ok... |
| 22:03.03 | woglinde | accepts |
| 22:03.04 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:03.22 | ShadowJK | Supposedly other nokia phones come with fm transmitter enabled in greece anyway |
| 22:03.31 | andre__ | I don't think he will be arrested at the airport when trying to enter Greece. |
| 22:03.41 | lardman | andre__:? liability? |
| 22:03.53 | andre__ | lardman, yeah |
| 22:04.05 | lardman | he's only a school boy ;) |
| 22:04.14 | lardman | where is he these days anyway? |
| 22:04.23 | andre__ | also wondering |
| 22:04.24 | woglinde | lardman that are the worst |
| 22:04.42 | lardman | woglinde: exactly, I was giving him an excuse |
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| 22:05.43 | woglinde | hi jebba |
| 22:05.52 | jebba | heya |
| 22:05.55 | jebba | just here briefly |
| 22:06.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | FMTX isn't any worse than Nokia selling the physical TX or digikey selling components to build a phaser gun |
| 22:06.15 | lardman | rlinfati: I was just thinking about getting zooming to work correctly |
| 22:06.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's always you who gets his ass in trouble |
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| 22:07.54 | andre__ | any Swedish folks around using a Comviq SIM card that can comment on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7744 ? |
| 22:07.55 | povbot` | Bug 7744: Swedish Comviq SIM card variably recognised by n900 |
| 22:08.31 | lardman | andre__: shove a bit of paper underneath to get the contacts to touch? ;) |
| 22:09.36 | andre__ | hehe |
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| 22:10.14 | yuizy | has anyone compiled the despotify qt client and uploaded it somewhere? |
| 22:10.22 | Anidel | anyone successful in using MfE with Google ? on N900 of course |
| 22:10.47 | frals | yuizy: i think its in -devel |
| 22:11.44 | micke | andre_ enable extras-devel and try qtify :) |
| 22:12.06 | micke | sorry i meam yuizy |
| 22:12.24 | yuizy | ah, qtify |
| 22:13.39 | micke | it is not the same as qtspotify, its a new app |
| 22:14.03 | micke | qtspotify depends on versions of qt thats not in the repos |
| 22:14.16 | micke | so hexagoon wrote a new client |
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| 22:17.53 | pwnguin | do maemo packagers bother with a changelog? |
| 22:18.32 | micke | pwnguin I do :) |
| 22:18.39 | pwnguin | where's it end up? |
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| 22:18.55 | pwnguin | i figured it gets stripped during build |
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| 22:19.15 | pwnguin | and there's nothing like http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xournal/news.rss20.xml that i know of |
| 22:19.17 | micke | Nah I would think that you could do apt-get source |
| 22:19.40 | micke | and find it in debian/changelog but i could be wrong... |
| 22:19.49 | pwnguin | or changelogs.ubuntu.com |
| 22:20.53 | micke | I dont now if its avalible online like that |
| 22:21.04 | micke | its in the source package |
| 22:21.13 | micke | in the folde debian |
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| 22:21.31 | Jef91 | howdy all |
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| 22:21.41 | pwnguin | its a bit annoying to see updates with no clue what actually changed |
| 22:21.53 | pekuja | I've been having trouble with 3G connectivity. anybody got tips for debugging it? |
| 22:22.02 | pekuja | like if I could see some more verbose status info |
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| 22:22.46 | pekuja | on N900, obviously |
| 22:22.59 | Jef91 | grr why can nothing ever just compile correctly the first time |
| 22:23.09 | dmj726_n900 | Ruler jinni needs calibrating |
| 22:23.42 | Hexagoon | Jef91: I think it's something with murphys law that causes it |
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| 22:24.22 | Jef91 | Hexagoon: sounds about right |
| 22:25.11 | Jef91 | I hate debugging other people's source code, for once i just want to be able to collect the depens and hit compile |
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| 22:29.48 | mkargar | hello |
| 22:30.46 | andre__ | hi |
| 22:31.03 | Jef91 | howdy |
| 22:31.16 | gouverneur | hi |
| 22:31.29 | mkargar | i wnat update app,but,i recieved error:application list partially refreshed.some catalogs unavailable.check catagory details. |
| 22:32.45 | mkargar | whats my problem? |
| 22:33.19 | Jef91 | repos are being bitchy |
| 22:33.32 | Jef91 | do you have rootsh installed on your device? |
| 22:36.55 | dmj726_n900 | Is tim teulings online? |
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| 22:37.03 | mkargar | jef91:i want install rotsh and recieved this error! |
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| 22:38.06 | Jef91 | mkargar: ahh that sucks. try it from a different internet connection if you can, for instance on my work wifi kit always times out but over my 3g it reads fine |
| 22:38.27 | Hexagoon | mkargar, just press on a blurry spot on the screen to close that window, i think it'll install anyway |
| 22:38.36 | Hexagoon | never mind |
| 22:38.39 | Hexagoon | that wont work |
| 22:38.57 | Hexagoon | it works with another message |
| 22:40.03 | mkargar | jef91:i using wifi!not have 3g!only wifi:( |
| 22:40.35 | mkargar | Hexagoon:i tested it!but..package doesn't installed! |
| 22:40.48 | Hexagoon | i see, just try again later |
| 22:41.03 | Hexagoon | the repositories isn't feeling to well right now |
| 22:41.16 | Jef91 | Or the last week really. |
| 22:41.32 | Jef91 | (see my angry thread on t.m.o) |
| 22:41.33 | pekuja | can anyone tell me why the internet connection settings dialog only allows me to add wifi access points? my 3G settings are wrong, but I can't fix them because of this |
| 22:42.29 | mkargar | jef91:what's this problem?it is from repo's?it fix in future? |
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| 22:44.43 | Hexagoon | pekuja: maybe this can help? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5791#c16 |
| 22:44.44 | povbot` | Bug 5791: Unable to set alternate APN |
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| 22:45.03 | mkargar | jef91:what's this problem?it is from repo's?it fix in future? |
| 22:45.22 | pekuja | Hexagoon: thanks :-) |
| 22:45.53 | pablo2 | Hello guys, Is it possible change Ip in scratchbox??? i tryed....SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied |
| 22:46.05 | Jef91 | mkargar def an issues on the repos end - poor servers |
| 22:47.03 | pekuja | Hexagoon: do you know if "GPRS" is the right type for 3G connectsions also? |
| 22:47.03 | mkargar | jef91:ok!it fixed in future? |
| 22:47.29 | ifreq | pekuja: gprs is used if 3G connection is not available |
| 22:47.44 | pekuja | ifreq: I just mean if the connection type of "GPRS" is right for 3G |
| 22:47.48 | pekuja | ifreq: in the settings |
| 22:47.49 | matthew- | Hey, is it possible to make MyStory working |
| 22:48.00 | matthew- | with wordpress when that is on a separate server? not on wordpress.com ? |
| 22:48.10 | pekuja | matthew-: yeah. you just need to enable xml-rpc |
| 22:48.49 | matthew- | pekuja: in wordpress you mean. ? |
| 22:49.30 | Jef91 | mkargar: not sure, hopefully :-/ |
| 22:49.39 | pekuja | matthew-: yeah |
| 22:50.20 | pekuja | matthew-: it's in writing settings |
| 22:50.29 | pekuja | under "remote publishing" |
| 22:50.37 | matthew- | pekuja: but then how to add the account to mastory ? |
| 22:50.48 | mkargar | jef91:oh! |
| 22:51.53 | mkargar | anybody using customkernel by jebba? |
| 22:51.56 | pekuja | matthew-: just enter your blog's URL in "Blog URL" in MaStory |
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| 22:53.39 | matthew- | hmm |
| 22:53.39 | matthew- | ;] |
| 22:53.42 | matthew- | lemme try |
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| 22:54.16 | pekuja | matthew-: MaStory should automatically add /xml-rpc.php to it, but I guess if it doesn't, locate the interface on your blog and enter it manually. |
| 22:54.26 | pekuja | matthew-: worked just fine for me after just entering the root of my blog |
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| 22:57.25 | matthew- | pekuja: and what's the 'account' name ? |
| 22:57.43 | pekuja | matthew-: your username on your blog |
| 22:57.47 | pekuja | matthew-: default is "admin" |
| 22:57.51 | matthew- | ah |
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| 23:01.14 | matthew- | pekuja: and if i've got it on .wordpress.com |
| 23:01.22 | matthew- | would the account name be same as my username? |
| 23:02.30 | matthew- | ah writing setting, wat |
| 23:03.42 | matthew- | pekuja: I dont seem to have 'remote publishing' ;d |
| 23:05.41 | Sargun | can I talk directly to the modem in the n900? |
| 23:05.44 | Sargun | using AT messages |
| 23:06.00 | xorAxAx | the modem talks isi |
| 23:06.02 | pekuja | matthew-: oh. maybe there's a plugin or something for it. which version of Wordpress are you running? |
| 23:06.08 | matthew- | ;] |
| 23:06.09 | xorAxAx | which is an undocumented protocol |
| 23:06.15 | matthew- | dunno |
| 23:06.19 | matthew- | pekuja: newest one |
| 23:06.21 | xorAxAx | you can submit hayescommands through pnatd, Sargun |
| 23:06.21 | pekuja | matthew-: I can find in my admin interface, "Settings" and "Writing" on the left bar |
| 23:06.32 | xorAxAx | but interestingly, this doesnt work over the console |
| 23:06.36 | pekuja | matthew-: click on "Writing", you get to a config page, which should have "Remote Publishing" somewhere on it |
| 23:06.43 | Jef91 | I think my compiler is on an infinite loop somehow... |
| 23:06.52 | corecode_ | c++? |
| 23:07.20 | Jef91 | compiling a .deb, c I believe |
| 23:07.20 | Sargun | xorAxAx, how? |
| 23:07.35 | xorAxAx | Sargun: by starting pnatd |
| 23:07.57 | matthew- | pekuja: nope ;) |
| 23:08.09 | Sargun | xorAxAx, is there any way I can talk to a socket/character file? |
| 23:08.38 | xorAxAx | Sargun: no |
| 23:08.57 | pekuja | matthew-: well, I don't know what to say then, I guess :-/ |
| 23:09.02 | pekuja | matthew-: works for me |
| 23:09.15 | pekuja | matthew-: you could try browsing through the other settings pages and look for XML-RPC |
| 23:09.17 | matthew- | ;] |
| 23:09.21 | matthew- | yeah i am |
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| 23:09.29 | Sargun | xorAxAx, what about setting up socat to talk to pnatd and then putting socat on the other side of the character file? |
| 23:09.36 | pekuja | matthew-: also, are you sure you're running the latest WordPress? the latest seems to be 2.9.1 |
| 23:09.43 | xorAxAx | Sargun: might work |
| 23:11.00 | Sargun | xorAxAx, how exactly do the pnatd's talk to each other? |
| 23:11.39 | xorAxAx | Sargun: to each other? they all talk to the isi interface |
| 23:11.49 | xorAxAx | which is implemented by some phonet daemon |
| 23:13.06 | zerojay | xorAxAx: Actually, it's not phonet daemon. |
| 23:13.11 | zerojay | xorAxAx: It's Matt Damon. |
| 23:13.53 | xorAxAx | i thought it was tom cruise |
| 23:14.09 | zerojay | See, that just doesn't make any sense at all. :/ |
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| 23:16.15 | KenYoung | I have a new Maemo 5 application, which seems to launch correctly. Everything seems to work, except the launcher won't use my icon. Are there restrictions on what sort of .png file can be used as an icon? If there documentation on the icon system somewhere? |
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| 23:20.55 | SpeedEvil | file *png |
| 23:20.55 | SpeedEvil | PackageRate.png: PNG image data, 64 x 64, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced |
| 23:20.56 | SpeedEvil | WeightJinni.png: PNG image data, 64 x 64, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced |
| 23:20.56 | woglinde | kenyoung read -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application#Example |
| 23:21.05 | SpeedEvil | /home/opt/maemo/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ |
| 23:21.12 | SpeedEvil | or that is probably better |
| 23:21.28 | KenYoung | Thanks, SpeedEvil and woglinde ! |
| 23:21.53 | SpeedEvil | Thanks for coding. |
| 23:22.17 | SpeedEvil | Without apps, the platform is gonna die. |
| 23:23.02 | Jef91 | Fact. Nokia needs to roll out its "app store" asap if it is ever going to get any rela market for the device |
| 23:23.53 | SpeedEvil | The one app I want from nokia is bounce with more levels. |
| 23:24.03 | SpeedEvil | iother than that, I don't care about the store :) |
| 23:25.21 | go1dfish | j |
| 23:25.24 | go1dfish | whoops |
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| 23:27.45 | kamui__ | SpeedEvil, totally agree |
| 23:27.52 | kamui__ | bounce needs a map pack |
| 23:27.57 | kamui__ | thats about it |
| 23:28.05 | kamui__ | ovi store is going to get 0 use from me most likely |
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| 23:28.22 | kamui__ | I mean, who needs it. Unless they release something amazing, like a standalone maps app for minimal $$ |
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| 23:28.37 | kamui__ | and I mean that maps app better be insanely good |
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| 23:29.53 | philo | so anybody buying from dell ? |
| 23:30.04 | Jef91 | I bought my n900 from dell |
| 23:30.11 | kamui__ | really |
| 23:30.31 | Jef91 | Yea, got it for 530 with takes and shipping |
| 23:30.43 | Kamui | what is this takes |
| 23:30.44 | Jef91 | Best deal I could find |
| 23:30.53 | philo | they have a nice sale right now |
| 23:31.00 | Kamui | was that 530 with rebate |
| 23:31.00 | philo | for 479 +tax i think |
| 23:31.13 | Jef91 | without rebate |
| 23:31.36 | Kamui | I got mine for 539.99 + 50$ visa card from nokia |
| 23:31.39 | Jef91 | it had a 50 mail in, but the damn thing back ordered so it was expired by the time I got it |
| 23:31.49 | Kamui | mail order expires tomorrow |
| 23:32.07 | Kamui | must be postmarked by the 8th and received by the 15 |
| 23:32.17 | Kamui | for phones purchased from 11/29-12-29 |
| 23:32.27 | Jef91 | Really now? *checks his stuff* |
| 23:32.36 | Kamui | rebate was good for N97, N900, and the xpressmusic |
| 23:32.44 | Kamui | I think htere might have been one other phone on the list |
| 23:33.49 | Jef91 | got a link to the rebate forum by chance? |
| 23:34.25 | Kamui | the pdf was emailed to me with the reciept at purchase |
| 23:34.29 | Kamui | I don't have it anymore |
| 23:34.33 | philo | Jef91: ? |
| 23:34.33 | Kamui | but im sure you can find it online |
| 23:34.41 | Kamui | google N900 50$ visa card rebat |
| 23:34.42 | Kamui | e |
| 23:34.58 | philo | Jef91: or buy it from dell |
| 23:35.11 | Kamui | he already bought one |
| 23:35.16 | Kamui | this rebate doesn't matter where you bought it |
| 23:35.23 | philo | ho ok appying for the rebate |
| 23:35.23 | Kamui | just have to sign up for the ovi store |
| 23:35.35 | Kamui | and send your n900 upc in |
| 23:35.52 | Kamui | ovistore username and email address goes on the rebate form |
| 23:36.10 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.20 | Kamui | I dont know if it said |
| 23:36.25 | Kamui | but the rebate I mailed was to texas |
| 23:36.28 | frals | gotta love this bug ive managed to introduce.. somehow it doesnt go away when reverting all changes back to my original build which i *know* works |
| 23:36.30 | Kamui | so probably? |
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| 23:42.43 | Jef91 | frals reflash the eMMC |
| 23:42.59 | Jef91 | it should revert any changes |
| 23:43.09 | frals | uh, its a bug in my application, nothing else :) |
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| 23:49.48 | dmj726_n900 | Kamui: how is blender? |
| 23:50.03 | Kamui | Im working on the wrapper |
| 23:50.16 | Kamui | haven't had a successfull build so far with the ppc blender wrapper |
| 23:50.21 | Kamui | but its going |
| 23:50.35 | dmj726_n900 | Check out the post on the durian blog |
| 23:50.37 | Kamui | im hoping tomorrow night Ill be done removing all the wince specifics |
| 23:50.50 | dmj726_n900 | New features |
| 23:50.57 | Jef91 | Anyone else get their N900 from dell and have the rebate pdf laying around? I can't find it on their site |
| 23:51.11 | dmj726_n900 | Ppc? |
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| 23:57.45 | svanheulen | I have my update interval setting in the mail program set to 30 mins on my n900 but my account says "last updated 17:10" and it's 17:57 now |
| 23:58.53 | svanheulen | anyone else have that problem or just me? |
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| 23:59.42 | Jaffa | svanheulen: I think it ends up doing it at xx:00 and xx:30 |
