| 00:00.15 | timeless_mbp | pokes luke-jr |
| 00:00.23 | luke-jr | pokes timeless_mbp? |
| 00:01.46 | luke-jr | ... |
| 00:02.04 | rashed2020 | Google latitude? |
| 00:02.13 | luke-jr | maybe, no clue :) |
| 00:03.08 | lardman | someone mentioned Latitude? |
| 00:03.15 | rashed2020 | Google, not Dell. |
| 00:03.22 | lardman | yes |
| 00:03.29 | rashed2020 | I did, good sir. |
| 00:03.30 | woglinde | jo lardman |
| 00:03.35 | lardman | hey woglinde |
| 00:03.48 | lardman | rashed2020: have you tried it on the device? |
| 00:03.57 | rashed2020 | lardman: Yes I have. Pretty decent. |
| 00:04.04 | lardman | good good :) |
| 00:04.06 | rashed2020 | Oh, THE device. |
| 00:04.19 | rashed2020 | I thought *A* device. I have it on the Tmo G1. |
| 00:04.22 | rashed2020 | Not on Maemo, though. |
| 00:04.24 | lardman | ah I see |
| 00:04.29 | lardman | works on N900 reasonably |
| 00:04.37 | lardman | I need to find some time and write that daemon do send updates |
| 00:04.44 | lardman | s/do/to |
| 00:04.56 | rashed2020 | You made the Maemo version? |
| 00:05.11 | rashed2020 | I'd be happy to be a tester if you need any help. |
| 00:05.20 | lardman | no, I just worked out that the iPhone page would work for us |
| 00:05.36 | lardman | with maemo-geolocation |
| 00:05.36 | rashed2020 | Ah. |
| 00:05.39 | woglinde | o.O? |
| 00:05.46 | woglinde | iphone-page? |
| 00:06.02 | rashed2020 | woglinde: latitude webapp. |
| 00:06.10 | woglinde | ieehks webapps |
| 00:06.22 | lardman | is just a url that works on device |
| 00:06.33 | lardman | tho there are still some issues, as it's not possible to zoom out |
| 00:06.56 | lardman | again, I need to sit down and work out how that's plumbed into the javascript |
| 00:07.00 | woglinde | seems google mindwashing |
| 00:07.07 | woglinde | dont hide any stuff of you |
| 00:07.09 | lardman | well Latitude is useful |
| 00:07.20 | woglinde | show all people all you have |
| 00:07.26 | lardman | if you want to find the other summit members in the pub in Amsterdam for example ;) |
| 00:07.32 | woglinde | dont mind there could be bad people using this infos |
| 00:07.35 | rashed2020 | It's NOT mandatory :P |
| 00:07.55 | lardman | woglinde: you can allow and disallow people, or just switch it off completely |
| 00:08.03 | lardman | that's an advantage of not running Android |
| 00:08.23 | rashed2020 | You can switch it off in Android, too. It's not on by default, either. |
| 00:08.44 | lardman | oh right |
| 00:08.46 | lardman | ah well |
| 00:10.12 | jebba | doh, how do you put a screenshot on your package in Extras? |
| 00:10.38 | jebba | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/burgerspace/ like here? |
| 00:12.21 | jebba | oh noes. the horror |
| 00:14.33 | lcuk | lardman, in amsterdam it was hard to get a lock for many people |
| 00:14.45 | woglinde | lcuk lol |
| 00:14.49 | woglinde | preproduction |
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| 00:15.21 | lardman | lcuk: yeah well roaming charges are another matter of course ;) |
| 00:15.26 | lcuk | indeed |
| 00:15.32 | jebba | lcuk: you know how to get a screenshot of your application in maemo.org? my app is now on "front" page, but with crappy generic icon. |
| 00:15.54 | lcuk | jebba, goto your product page |
| 00:15.58 | lcuk | make sure you are logged in |
| 00:16.06 | lcuk | theres a floating nobble at the top if you are |
| 00:16.10 | lcuk | click it it gives options |
| 00:16.59 | lcuk | but note, the description text comes from the package itself, so even if you might be able to change it in the options it wont be used |
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| 00:17.16 | lcuk | built a snowman earlier but the damn kids destroyed it |
| 00:17.21 | jebba | lcuk: cool thx! |
| 00:17.33 | jebba | how embarassing ;) |
| 00:17.56 | woglinde | lcuk which kids? |
| 00:17.59 | lardman | what's all this snow stuff |
| 00:18.04 | lcuk | which part is embarrassing? the fact i spent time with my son, or some vandals wrecked it |
| 00:18.06 | lardman | barely ever see if over here |
| 00:18.26 | jebba | lcuk: the fact that my app was on the frontish page and i just had a lame "?" for a screenshot ;) |
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| 00:18.35 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.snow.20100105_001.jpg |
| 00:18.46 | lcuk | that was earlier, itts been snowing hard all day since that pic was taken |
| 00:18.52 | jebba | actually on the very front page of maemo.org sryc |
| 00:18.53 | jebba | sryc |
| 00:18.59 | jebba | sheez cant type. sorry heh |
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| 00:19.13 | lcuk | ahhh jebba yeah |
| 00:19.18 | lcuk | but dont change your settings |
| 00:19.20 | jebba | oh man, is still uploading a 9k image tho |
| 00:19.24 | lardman | cool :) |
| 00:19.26 | jebba | just did hte image nothing more |
| 00:19.33 | lcuk | cos if you do your photo will go off the front page |
| 00:19.37 | lcuk | see lardman for more info |
| 00:19.46 | ShadowJK | dont worry, nobody has the patience to wait for images |
| 00:20.00 | lardman | we have a light dusting now, supposed to be up to 30-40cm hitting the South tonight, but I bet we get little or nothing as ever |
| 00:20.02 | lardman | :( |
| 00:20.04 | woglinde | good nite |
| 00:20.08 | woglinde | wife is calling |
| 00:20.11 | lardman | I've not had a chance to make a snowman in years |
| 00:20.40 | jebba | lcuk: weird, well, it's uploading, but site is still showing "?" |
| 00:21.05 | lardman | uploading or uploaded? |
| 00:21.26 | frals | hmm 170+ downloads of my package and only one dude reporting problems... would be nice to assume that it works for everyone else ;D |
| 00:21.55 | lcuk | frals nahhh |
| 00:22.01 | lcuk | 168 of those are you checking its there |
| 00:22.08 | lcuk | 1 dude had problems |
| 00:22.15 | lcuk | the other person downloaded the wrong thing |
| 00:22.52 | frals | :D |
| 00:23.45 | jebba | lcuk: http://imagebin.org/78479 |
| 00:24.18 | ifreq | new msn-pecan is out, i would give it thumbs up if i could :P |
| 00:24.31 | ifreq | seems to work nicely now |
| 00:24.52 | lcuk | lardman http://liqbase.net/liq.snowman.making.20100105_012.jpg |
| 00:25.01 | pwnguin | my browser crashes =( |
| 00:25.02 | lcuk | if jacob can do it, you can too! snow is heading south |
| 00:25.25 | jebba | ah, ahora si |
| 00:25.30 | lcuk | and, yes the eyes are onions and the arms are drumsticks |
| 00:25.35 | jebba | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/burgerspace/ |
| 00:25.48 | pwnguin | any idea how to debug it? |
| 00:26.04 | lcuk | \o/jebba cool |
| 00:26.06 | lcuk | pwnguin, mmm |
| 00:26.06 | jebba | lcuk: hmm, it's in that page now, but front page is still foo |
| 00:26.06 | pwnguin | browser.launch gives a segfault, so maybe I'm doin' it wrong |
| 00:26.09 | lcuk | "crashes" |
| 00:26.16 | lcuk | jebba caches and delays |
| 00:26.19 | lcuk | you have done your part |
| 00:26.37 | lcuk | pwnguin, can you open websites from anywhere, ie from xchat |
| 00:26.39 | jebba | oh no, the delays! ;) |
| 00:26.41 | pwnguin | lcuk: if i use the GUI, it brings up Web and waits for 30 seconds or so and crashes |
| 00:26.45 | jebba | thx for your help lcuk |
| 00:26.57 | jebba | i need to explore more of that floating bar thing another day |
| 00:27.14 | lcuk | we all need to explore the floating bar |
| 00:27.14 | pwnguin | lcuk: dont have xchat installed |
| 00:27.28 | pwnguin | lcuk: i have a facebook launcher still left on the desktop |
| 00:27.31 | lcuk | pwnguin, was just an idea, check bugs.maemo.org |
| 00:28.19 | pwnguin | lcuk: seems it all crashes =( |
| 00:28.38 | pwnguin | i guess i'll file a bug since nothing relevant seems up on b.m.o |
| 00:28.54 | lcuk | reboot |
| 00:28.55 | lcuk | ? |
| 00:29.19 | pwnguin | already did |
| 00:29.35 | lcuk | file a bug then |
| 00:29.45 | lcuk | give plenty of info if possible |
| 00:29.47 | lcuk | infact |
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| 00:29.55 | lcuk | before u do, try running from console perhaps |
| 00:29.58 | lcuk | dunno command line |
| 00:30.24 | pwnguin | me either |
| 00:30.28 | pwnguin | i think its browser.launch |
| 00:30.33 | pwnguin | which segfaults |
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| 00:39.01 | frals | anyone know what kind of hildon object the "notification" you get when you installed an app in app manager is? ie have to click to make it go away? |
| 00:40.30 | pwnguin | aha |
| 00:40.32 | pwnguin | fixed it |
| 00:40.51 | pwnguin | lcuk: browser-switchboard was the culprit |
| 00:42.13 | timeless_mbp | pwnguin: what the heck is that? |
| 00:42.33 | pwnguin | timeless_mbp: it swiches the default browser from microb to whatever you want |
| 00:42.41 | pwnguin | timeless_mbp: fennec, tear, midori |
| 00:43.13 | pwnguin | except i never used that, so it's gone now and things ar efine |
| 00:43.15 | pwnguin | are fine |
| 00:44.07 | lcuk | frals, that would be hildon-annoying |
| 00:44.18 | Sargun_Screen | is fighting with the n900 and bluetooth |
| 00:44.20 | frals | yes, i need it for printing error message nicely ;D |
| 00:44.44 | frals | ah, success, got a user to send AND receive MMS, victory! |
| 00:44.52 | Sargun_Screen | you guys have MMS? |
| 00:44.53 | lcuk | victory indeed |
| 00:44.54 | lardman | :) |
| 00:44.55 | Sargun_Screen | holy shit, awesome |
| 00:44.59 | Sargun_Screen | VICTORIOUS! |
| 00:45.01 | timeless_mbp | frals: mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ is your friend |
| 00:45.12 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-home/src/hd-notification-manager.c#1678 |
| 00:45.21 | jebba | frals: nice one! :) |
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| 00:45.44 | TomaszD | Sargun_Screen, ? |
| 00:45.52 | frals | timeless_mbp: thanks, was looking around in ham code on gitorious without any luck |
| 00:46.24 | timeless_mbp | frals: i presume you want the code that manages them |
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| 00:46.40 | Sargun_Screen | Alright, can the n900 tether? |
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| 00:46.50 | TomaszD | of course |
| 00:47.05 | TomaszD | there is a Bluetooth Dial-Up package |
| 00:47.24 | Sargun_Screen | No, I mean, can I use the n900's GPRS via my laptop |
| 00:47.33 | lcuk | plugin direct usb to laptop shows 3g modem on mine |
| 00:47.45 | go1dfish | Sargun_Screen: yes you can |
| 00:47.48 | TomaszD | yes |
| 00:47.49 | go1dfish | via usb or bluetooth |
| 00:48.02 | go1dfish | ridiculously simple via usb on recent ubuntu releases |
| 00:48.28 | pwnguin | that reminds me to figure out how to do that BEFORE i need it |
| 00:48.49 | frals | timeless_mbp: thank you very much :) |
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| 00:49.00 | timeless_mbp | frals: i happened to have been looking at it earlier |
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| 00:49.04 | timeless_mbp | maybe you can help me at some point |
| 00:49.09 | pwnguin | a few months ago someone backed into a power terminal box and nuked our internet routers |
| 00:49.20 | Sargun_Screen | ouch. Where? |
| 00:49.26 | pwnguin | the college i work for |
| 00:49.33 | Sargun_Screen | go1dfish: how? |
| 00:49.34 | pwnguin | it made for a boring afternoon |
| 00:49.47 | Sargun_Screen | pwnguin: you guys don't have dual feeds? |
| 00:49.51 | go1dfish | plug it in, and it prompts you to select network |
| 00:50.00 | pwnguin | Sargun_Screen: we do now |
| 00:50.05 | Sargun_Screen | go1dfish: I'm trying to get it to tether over bluetooth or WiFi. |
| 00:50.15 | timeless_mbp | frals: i need to be able to create one of the other kinds of creatures |
| 00:50.16 | go1dfish | if it doesnt, clickk the network manager icon by the clock, and there should be a mobile broadband option |
| 00:50.20 | go1dfish | wifi is right out for now |
| 00:50.23 | lcuk | frals, its been ~100 days since the conversation in here took place. seriously, well done. |
| 00:50.26 | timeless_mbp | the one that you get for a new email/chat |
| 00:50.32 | go1dfish | I havent done it with bluetooth myself |
| 00:50.36 | go1dfish | but it has been reported to work |
| 00:50.43 | pwnguin | Sargun_Screen: but it's a community college, not the research kind flush with grant money |
| 00:51.12 | pwnguin | Sargun_Screen: we also have generators now, so that won't happen again |
| 00:51.18 | frals | timeless_mbp: i got the dbus call to create the email one here somewhere |
| 00:51.28 | Sargun_Screen | pwnguin: ah |
| 00:51.39 | timeless_mbp | frals: i'm trying to do this from a commandline (roughly) |
| 00:51.46 | timeless_mbp | and i need to be able to do work when the user taps on my thing |
| 00:51.58 | timeless_mbp | oh, and for kicks, i don't want to leave a process running while that bubble is open :) |
| 00:52.05 | pwnguin | Sargun_Screen: it was already underway to move onto i2, but im guessing the failure prompted management to budget for a backup connection |
| 00:52.53 | Sargun_Screen | pwnguin: ah, where is said CC? |
| 00:53.02 | pwnguin | kansas city |
| 00:53.25 | frals | lcuk: cheers :) (wouldve been faster had i received a device earlier, not had it for a month yet ;-)) |
| 00:55.07 | Sargun_Screen | Grr, /me is fighting with his bluetooth on his PC |
| 00:55.09 | frals | timeless_mbp: i got 3 lines of python code that does it atm if thats good enough, could convert it to a dbus-send line pretty easily... for the tap thingy there is callback |
| 00:55.19 | timeless_mbp | yeah, i saw a callback |
| 00:55.21 | lcuk | frals, speed of implementation isnt an issue, what was important was the planning and discussion which had to take place and turned a "nahhh" into a "fuck yeah" :D |
| 00:55.28 | timeless_mbp | but i had trouble figuring out how to use it |
| 00:55.34 | timeless_mbp | dbus-send would be appreciated :) |
| 00:56.06 | frals | not yet worked out how to do a callback to any app but as long as you can do a callback to a dbus service its good ;D |
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| 00:56.25 | frals | lcuk: aye |
| 00:56.48 | timeless_mbp | could you provide a tiny dbus responder in python for me? :) |
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| 00:57.51 | frals | should be able to, if it works as i expect it to (only done dbus callback to opening a specific browser url so far) |
| 00:57.54 | timeless_mbp | actually |
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| 00:58.08 | timeless_mbp | what are the requirements for a dbus service? |
| 00:58.20 | timeless_mbp | if i promise that my "service" will only ever be called for a single "verb" |
| 00:58.28 | lcuk | service file + registration in the process afaik |
| 00:58.31 | timeless_mbp | can i just have a shell script which doesn't take any arguments or speak dbus |
| 00:58.46 | timeless_mbp | because the service file makes the thing alive |
| 00:58.47 | lcuk | forget what i said lol, thats osso |
| 00:58.52 | timeless_mbp | and when someone tries to run it |
| 00:59.02 | timeless_mbp | s/run/talk to/ |
| 00:59.06 | timeless_mbp | that should run it |
| 00:59.08 | Sargun_Screen | Why doesn't me N900 see my Laptop? |
| 00:59.09 | timeless_mbp | which is all i need |
| 00:59.19 | timeless_mbp | is your laptop visible? :) |
| 00:59.20 | lcuk | Sargun_Screen, camera slider closed |
| 00:59.24 | Sargun_Screen | vice-versa works but the n900 doesn't respond to my laptop's peering request. |
| 00:59.30 | frals | try chucking a .service file and making a dbus call to it, it migth actually work |
| 00:59.42 | lcuk | "peering request" |
| 00:59.58 | timeless_mbp | frals: anyway, can you walk me through this w/ a dbus-send command and sample .service? :) |
| 01:00.09 | frals | sure give me a min and ill get the dbus-send |
| 01:00.14 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 01:00.17 | Sargun_Screen | pairing. |
| 01:00.27 | timeless_mbp | i'm catching up on a week's worth of tv :) |
| 01:00.37 | lcuk | Sargun_Screen, ahhh bluetooth |
| 01:00.40 | pwnguin | maemo5 uses upstart and network-manager right? |
| 01:00.49 | timeless_mbp | not nm |
| 01:00.52 | timeless_mbp | it uses icd2 |
| 01:00.57 | timeless_mbp | but upstart sounds right |
| 01:01.03 | pwnguin | arg |
| 01:01.10 | timeless_mbp | mer used nm last i checked |
| 01:01.20 | timeless_mbp | nm and icd2 both suck, just differently |
| 01:01.25 | pwnguin | wait, they switched away from nm? |
| 01:01.32 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 01:01.37 | timeless_mbp | i just haven't tracked mer |
| 01:01.44 | timeless_mbp | so i can't be certain they haven't changed away :) |
| 01:01.53 | pwnguin | so maemo never used nm |
| 01:02.00 | Sargun_Screen | when I run citool scan I don't see my laptop either |
| 01:02.02 | Sargun_Screen | weird |
| 01:02.03 | timeless_mbp | it used icd1 at one time :) |
| 01:02.14 | timeless_mbp | and before that it might have used connic? |
| 01:02.15 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 01:02.19 | timeless_mbp | but afaik, it never used nm |
| 01:02.32 | GeneralAntilles | icd2 sucks less acutely than nm for mobile use. |
| 01:02.40 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 01:02.57 | pwnguin | well, what i want to do is write a script that runs on connection to a specific AP |
| 01:03.08 | nomis | great. Now I forced a reindexing of all my content on the n900 and now my video files are in a random order. Ain't that great. |
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| 01:03.33 | nomis | what is the point of "newest videos" if the timestamp of the file is just ignored? |
| 01:03.44 | Sargun_Screen | you know, dbus has gotten rid of ABI issues, but introduced a whole lotta new issues |
| 01:03.55 | timeless_mbp | nomis: to be cute? :) |
| 01:04.02 | timeless_mbp | the idea is presumably as follows: |
| 01:04.09 | timeless_mbp | you have 1000 videos in your library |
| 01:04.17 | timeless_mbp | a friend gives you a 3 year old movie |
| 01:04.19 | ShadowJK | I wonder if it uses the time file was indexed as timestamp |
| 01:04.24 | timeless_mbp | it's new to you, and you can't find it anymore |
| 01:04.35 | timeless_mbp | 'newest' to you is a useful metric |
| 01:04.43 | timeless_mbp | because you want to see that 3 year old movie you _just_ got |
| 01:04.55 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: "i sure hope so" |
| 01:04.59 | nomis | so the order depends on "time the tracker indexed it"? |
| 01:05.06 | timeless_mbp | nomis: dunno |
| 01:05.33 | nomis | wants a filesystem-based view in the mediaplayer. |
| 01:05.37 | wackl | is missing shortcuts like A-C, D-F, ...X-Z in the contact/audio/... lists |
| 01:05.43 | timeless_mbp | nomis: meet "file manager" |
| 01:05.57 | nomis | timeless_mbp: it does not have the cute preview icons. |
| 01:06.16 | timeless_mbp | wackl: phone has it but only in portrait dial view iirc |
| 01:06.30 | timeless_mbp | nomis: now you're being greedy |
| 01:06.37 | nomis | (which do something useful now, now that I disabled the regeneration-on-pause...) |
| 01:06.47 | nomis | timeless_mbp: I know, I demand a lot! :) |
| 01:07.39 | wackl | timeless_mbp: yeah, and this should also be available in the contacts-application. it's not so much fun to scroll,scroll,scroll,... |
| 01:07.54 | timeless_mbp | wackl: try typing? |
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| 01:09.28 | nomis | anyway, /me heads for the bed. Night all. |
| 01:10.31 | wackl | timeless_mbp: yes, i know. but then you need to open the slider. the a-c, ... shortcuts would be a nice addon. |
| 01:11.15 | timeless_mbp | wackl: i can't speak for what the contacts people might do |
| 01:11.23 | timeless_mbp | hopefully they are aware of how they could improve matters |
| 01:13.52 | Sargun_Screen | lucifer ~ # pand -n -z -c 34:7E:39:42:A7:ED |
| 01:13.52 | Sargun_Screen | pand[9310]: Bluetooth PAN daemon version 4.39 |
| 01:13.52 | Sargun_Screen | pand[9310]: Connecting to 34:7E:39:42:A7:ED |
| 01:13.52 | Sargun_Screen | pand[9310]: Connect to 34:7E:39:42:A7:ED failed. Connection refused(111) |
| 01:13.56 | Sargun_Screen | Errrm, sorry for the flood. |
| 01:14.00 | Sargun_Screen | pasted the wrong thing. |
| 01:14.24 | Sargun_Screen | But -- now that I have, wyh doesn;t the n900 do pan? |
| 01:15.13 | timeless_mbp | Sargun_Screen: extra testing surface? |
| 01:15.18 | Sargun_Screen | timeless_mbp: eh? |
| 01:15.32 | timeless_mbp | every feature added to a product requires resources |
| 01:15.41 | timeless_mbp | testing, focus, engineering, strings, ui |
| 01:15.56 | Sargun_Screen | I mean, I could hack on pand, but is there a "right" way to do this? |
| 01:17.21 | corecode_ | oh wow, there sure seem to be a lot of severe bugs |
| 01:17.27 | corecode_ | reading bugzilla |
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| 01:18.10 | timeless_mbp | corecode_: you're looking at things strangely |
| 01:18.19 | corecode_ | am i? |
| 01:18.37 | timeless_mbp | Firefox has roughly half a million bugs in its database |
| 01:19.18 | corecode_ | well if i read that the calendar app does not support recurring events |
| 01:19.18 | timeless_mbp | if 1/10 of 1% of those bugs are 'severe' (way too low), you're talking about 500 bugs |
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| 01:19.33 | corecode_ | then this is a quite severe issue |
| 01:20.14 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: half a million *open* bugs? |
| 01:20.25 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: no, i'm too lazy to use charts for numbers |
| 01:20.33 | moo-_- | corecode_: do you want to know how many bugs Microsoft Windows has in its database? :) |
| 01:20.36 | timeless_mbp | it also includes mail bugs, and various other non firefox products |
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| 01:20.44 | timeless_mbp | the point is that measuring numbers is a waste of time |
| 01:20.58 | corecode_ | i'm not talking about numbers |
| 01:21.07 | Sargun_Screen | timeless_mbp: Not quite. Numbers are good for mmanagement. You're both right.... |
| 01:21.24 | timeless_mbp | corecode_: you wrote "a lot of" |
| 01:21.27 | Sargun_Screen | timeless_mbp: Now, should I hack on pand, or should I wait for a software update? or should I do something completely else? |
| 01:21.50 | corecode_ | timeless_mbp: so? |
| 01:21.50 | timeless_mbp | Sargun_Screen: waiting for a software update for a feature we haven't announced? |
| 01:21.59 | timeless_mbp | you'll probably be waiting until the cows come home |
| 01:22.03 | Sargun_Screen | timeless_mbp: you're an official maemo drone? |
| 01:22.07 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 01:22.15 | timeless_mbp | i do not speak for Nokia |
| 01:22.22 | timeless_mbp | but they do pay my salary |
| 01:22.27 | timeless_mbp | or it |
| 01:22.49 | corecode_ | well i'll see when i got it |
| 01:23.07 | corecode_ | usually bugs don't bug me (hah pun) as long as i have the sources to fix them myself |
| 01:23.13 | timeless_mbp | corecode_: you can create a repeating event |
| 01:23.25 | timeless_mbp | what you can't do is modify an event whose repetition has been broken |
| 01:24.04 | Sargun_Screen | timeless_mbp: and do you think there is a better way to do wireless tethering (i.e. ad-hoc wifi netwoprks) |
| 01:24.13 | timeless_mbp | Sargun_Screen: than pan? |
| 01:24.22 | timeless_mbp | since i've never seen pan working *anywhere*? |
| 01:24.34 | Sargun_Screen | timeless_mbp: than installing pand on the n90p |
| 01:24.39 | timeless_mbp | mifi (?) seems like a better approach |
| 01:24.46 | Sargun_Screen | the palm pre uses pand! |
| 01:24.56 | Sargun_Screen | and it works. |
| 01:25.05 | timeless_mbp | sorry, the key word there is "I" |
| 01:25.11 | timeless_mbp | it means that "I" .... |
| 01:25.20 | Sargun_Screen | ah... |
| 01:25.26 | ShadowJK | has never seen pan working either |
| 01:25.58 | ShadowJK | and I spent a good 4 hours on it once, two computers sitting on same desk running same bluez version :-) |
| 01:26.04 | Sargun_Screen | wrote the hack to tether palm pre over bluetooth |
| 01:27.19 | Sargun_Screen | ShadowJK: dund might have been better. I've got both dund, and pand running (reliably) |
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| 01:27.46 | Sargun_Screen | I just dont want to break my n900 |
| 01:28.53 | corecode_ | is there a list of software that is not available from source? |
| 01:29.44 | timeless_mbp | corecode_: yes |
| 01:29.57 | corecode_ | where can i find this list? |
| 01:30.15 | timeless_mbp | but roughly, very little of the ui components of the maemo apps are open |
| 01:30.22 | timeless_mbp | (for maemo5) |
| 01:30.32 | timeless_mbp | s/are/is/ ? |
| 01:30.59 | ShadowJK | why 'is'? |
| 01:31.51 | luke-jr | corecode_: I can't personally speak for N900, but for N810 hardware support, it is battery charger, GPS, and 3D accel |
| 01:32.08 | luke-jr | N900 is supposedly just battery charger and 3D accel I think |
| 01:32.17 | luke-jr | unless you count firmware, in which case the list is no doubt far longer |
| 01:32.21 | luke-jr | (for both devices) |
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| 01:32.41 | ShadowJK | telephony stack |
| 01:33.00 | ShadowJK | though that's replaceable.. |
| 01:33.08 | ShadowJK | with ofono? |
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| 01:34.43 | corecode_ | so most UI is closed |
| 01:34.51 | corecode_ | that pretty much sucks |
| 01:35.01 | lardman | app uis yes |
| 01:35.08 | lardman | desktop, etc., is open |
| 01:35.09 | luke-jr | corecode_: UI can be replaced easily, so I don't care :) |
| 01:35.17 | corecode_ | luke-jr: can it? |
| 01:35.22 | corecode_ | luke-jr: UI coding takes most time |
| 01:35.30 | luke-jr | corecode_: sure, I'd just throw KDE 4.3 on it myself |
| 01:35.32 | luke-jr | if I had one |
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| 01:42.10 | lardman | night all |
| 01:42.13 | pupnik | night lardman |
| 01:42.27 | pupnik | T.M.O active topics... |
| 01:42.34 | pupnik | unbelievable |
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| 01:44.54 | pupnik | Get low rated threads off active topics |
| 01:44.58 | pupnik | stop the monkeys |
| 01:46.01 | frals | timeless_mbp: right, turns out dbus-send cant handle nested containers which means it cant send the notification stuff properly |
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| 01:48.21 | timeless_mbp | awesome |
| 01:48.50 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: little .... is |
| 01:49.05 | timeless_mbp | i'm not certain about that, but i think it's the correct form |
| 01:49.35 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 01:49.59 | frals | anyway heres how i do it in python; http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2647e52 |
| 01:51.04 | timeless_mbp | frals: python is not a standard delivered component of maemo5, right? |
| 01:51.17 | frals | nope, afraid not |
| 01:51.29 | frals | lcuk or someone can prolly rewrite it in c |
| 01:51.45 | timeless_mbp | i presume dbus perl bindings aren't either.. |
| 01:53.49 | frals | ah, the joy of delivering applications... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=454943#post454943 |
| 01:55.07 | lcuk | :D frals |
| 01:56.13 | frals | lcuk, mr c and dbus guru, help timeless with sending what i wrote in python in c ;) |
| 01:56.45 | lcuk | not now, will have to be the "or someone" approach, its bedtime |
| 01:56.57 | frals | aye same here |
| 01:57.03 | luke-jr | only knows the C, not the dbug |
| 01:57.05 | luke-jr | dbus* |
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| 02:09.00 | matthew- | Hmm |
| 02:09.03 | matthew- | No sound in mplayer |
| 02:09.06 | matthew- | any idea why? |
| 02:12.59 | pupnik | mplayer tells you |
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| 02:13.46 | ShadowJK | profile set to silent? |
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| 02:22.19 | matthew- | ShadowJK: nope |
| 02:22.26 | matthew- | pupnik: kmplayer |
| 02:22.48 | pupnik | ahh the gui, it tells me nothing! |
| 02:22.54 | pupnik | :) |
| 02:23.09 | matthew- | pupnik: well, console/terminal is also a gui |
| 02:23.42 | pupnik | use mplayer if you want to see if mplayer has a problem |
| 02:24.31 | matthew- | yeah |
| 02:24.37 | matthew- | but then i cant go into |
| 02:24.51 | matthew- | MyDocs/Mac Os/Video |
| 02:24.52 | matthew- | :o |
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| 02:25.11 | matthew- | ah got it |
| 02:26.43 | matthew- | trying to reset soundcard |
| 02:28.04 | matthew- | works for the normal one |
| 02:28.14 | pupnik | what? |
| 02:28.18 | pupnik | reset soundcard? |
| 02:28.18 | matthew- | the 'default' player |
| 02:28.28 | matthew- | when i play it with mplayer |
| 02:28.34 | matthew- | it gives back 'trying to reset soundcard' |
| 02:28.58 | matthew- | and then 'can't open audio device' /dery |
| 02:29.55 | matthew- | also, the video is VERY slow ;d |
| 02:29.59 | matthew- | and its normal div'x |
| 02:30.17 | matthew- | is there any settings i can change so it'll be watchable when i'll plug it to the TV |
| 02:30.48 | matthew- | it says possibl reasons: |
| 02:30.59 | matthew- | broken/buggy _audio_ driver. |
| 02:31.25 | pupnik | give details of video you are playing, resolution, container, codec, codec options |
| 02:31.39 | pupnik | you can not play ANY video on a N900. fyi. |
| 02:32.04 | matthew- | also this sistem is too SLOW to play this |
| 02:32.12 | matthew- | pupnik: well, it works on the default player |
| 02:32.37 | matthew- | same the `zoutube' sound died |
| 02:34.14 | pupnik | yeah |
| 02:34.23 | pupnik | default player uses dsp hardware acceleration |
| 02:34.34 | pupnik | i find the stuff my Apple friends plays me doesn't work well on linux |
| 02:34.39 | pupnik | sends me |
| 02:34.57 | matthew- | hmm it could be the 'extra decoders support' |
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| 02:39.22 | ShadowJK | in general, pastebinning entire output instead of randomly picking the most meaningless lines is a better way ;) |
| 02:41.00 | matthew- | eone min |
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| 02:41.34 | jebba | http://pastebin.ca/1739649 ofono. not working, but first i've seen N900 at least show up in the debug hahaa |
| 02:44.16 | matthew- | http://pastebin.com/m42d3a5af |
| 02:44.51 | matthew- | there |
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| 02:46.12 | ShadowJK | try add -ao pulse |
| 02:47.33 | matthew- | nope |
| 02:47.36 | matthew- | still silent |
| 02:48.50 | ShadowJK | was this with tvout or something else "special"? |
| 02:48.59 | matthew- | onpe |
| 02:49.13 | ShadowJK | -afm ffmpeg, -ao pulse |
| 02:49.25 | ShadowJK | the comma is intentional |
| 02:49.26 | matthew- | http://pastebin.com/maf4d309 |
| 02:49.36 | matthew- | w8 |
| 02:53.03 | matthew- | http://pastebin.com/m31fb90ef |
| 02:53.11 | matthew- | ah,coma |
| 02:54.00 | ShadowJK | ffmpeg not ffmpg |
| 02:56.27 | jebba | places my first fone call with ofono an N900 :) |
| 02:56.41 | jebba | granted i had to do it via my laptop, but it was triggered by ofono ;) |
| 02:57.10 | matthew- | ShadowJK: http://pastebin.com/m773dfc56 |
| 02:57.21 | matthew- | still, no sound |
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| 02:58.23 | ShadowJK | -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 |
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| 03:02.01 | kevloral | hi all |
| 03:02.10 | matthew- | ShadowJK: nope |
| 03:02.44 | ShadowJK | and it played on n900's own player you say? |
| 03:03.01 | matthew- | hes |
| 03:03.26 | matthew- | yes* |
| 03:03.28 | matthew- | thou lags |
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| 03:06.36 | ShadowJK | no idea then :) |
| 03:07.24 | uhsf | why are so many people suddenly excited about google's nexus one? nexus one is just a big joke compared to nokia's n900, are people so stupid or what? |
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| 03:08.47 | microlith | uhsf: more people are following Android than Maemo |
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| 03:17.52 | Sargun | meep |
| 03:18.17 | Sargun | does the n900 use bluez? |
| 03:19.35 | timeless_mbp | yes\ |
| 03:22.15 | jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Ofono |
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| 03:30.53 | pupnik | i think i would buy a n900 as a n810 upgrade just for the keyboard alone |
| 03:32.25 | timeless_mbp | jebba: PC Suite mode i think |
| 03:32.28 | timeless_mbp | in en-nokia |
| 03:32.34 | timeless_mbp | for me, the 'mode' bit is dropped |
| 03:34.00 | jebba | timeless_mbp: thx fixed |
| 03:34.33 | timeless_mbp | jebba: if you have my package installed, you can use it to look for the answer :) |
| 03:35.20 | jebba | which package. I remember last time i went of and was going to do that, so i installed gettext and rebooted and got a brick! haha. But that's when i figured out the getbootstate bug ;) |
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| 03:53.53 | siriusnova | im selling my N900 |
| 03:53.58 | siriusnova | anyone want to buy it |
| 03:54.06 | siriusnova | im sick and tired of this buggy piece of crap |
| 03:54.26 | [Tycho] | :) |
| 03:54.38 | jebba | siriusnova: ok i will if you happen to be in argentina :) |
| 03:54.44 | siriusnova | ive flashed my device like twice now |
| 03:54.47 | kamui | anyone run mtpain on the N900? |
| 03:54.52 | siriusnova | and Nokia isnt releasing any firmware updates |
| 03:54.54 | jebba | siriusnova: what's happening? |
| 03:54.56 | siriusnova | i give up |
| 03:55.02 | [Tycho] | siriusnova, what country ? Soviet Union ? |
| 03:55.04 | jebba | siriusnova: i did too, but only like 8 hours |
| 03:55.19 | siriusnova | jebba - the same as always, Nokia releases great hardware but their software is utter crap |
| 03:55.45 | jebba | what's it doing? |
| 03:55.45 | siriusnova | i also have an HTC Magic and now im using my HTC Magic more because its much easier to use and doesnt manage to crash and be incomplete |
| 03:55.45 | siriusnova | :/ |
| 03:55.51 | siriusnova | crashing |
| 03:55.58 | siriusnova | incomplete features |
| 03:55.58 | jebba | ah, mine doesn't crash unless i make it |
| 03:55.59 | luke-jr | siriusnova: how much? |
| 03:56.04 | siriusnova | i dunno yet |
| 03:56.04 | siriusnova | lol |
| 03:56.06 | jebba | "crash" is pretty vague though. |
| 03:56.14 | siriusnova | but yesterday i was this close to smashing it against the wall |
| 03:56.19 | siriusnova | i was so fed up with it |
| 03:56.20 | jebba | me too |
| 03:56.31 | siriusnova | :/ |
| 03:56.43 | jebba | anyway, what's it crashing on? |
| 03:56.47 | siriusnova | i just want a freaking update from Nokia that fixes all these idiotic issues |
| 03:56.49 | siriusnova | the web browser for example |
| 03:56.56 | siriusnova | it crashes all the damn time |
| 03:56.59 | siriusnova | causes the phone to reboot |
| 03:57.02 | [Tycho] | Didn't even says it what city is he... :( |
| 03:57.06 | siriusnova | and on stock firmware with no modifications |
| 03:57.08 | jebba | ah, web browser has been quite good for me compared to anything else i've seen. |
| 03:57.16 | siriusnova | its good when it works |
| 03:57.24 | jebba | ah, the reboot thing you can probably return it and get a good one |
| 03:57.34 | siriusnova | it has potential |
| 03:57.36 | jebba | i've only had one reboot in a month of very mcuh abuse. |
| 03:57.49 | jebba | siriusnova: some people get zero reboots. See if you can exchange it. |
| 03:58.09 | siriusnova | but as in typical Nokia fashion the software is unfinished, no portrait mode, no mms, email is slow and takes 5 minutes to open my inbox |
| 03:58.24 | siriusnova | the only thing the N900 is good at atm is browsing (when it doenst crash) |
| 03:58.24 | siriusnova | :/ |
| 03:58.35 | [Tycho] | Someone uses MMS ? What a surprise. |
| 03:59.02 | jebba | not sure about their typical mode. The software on my old nokia was fantastic. They did release an upgraded color version that *sucked* though: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Jebba-oldfone.jpg |
| 03:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, relax and give it a couple weeks. :) |
| 03:59.47 | jebba | wtf you doing with MMS anyway? Recently people have written MMS programs for n900, so in a month or something they may be generally available (well, if "server move" ever fkn happens) |
| 03:59.50 | [Tycho] | Looks chewed a bit. |
| 03:59.51 | siriusnova | im trying |
| 04:00.02 | pupnik | i hate the websites that push a list of words for me to type |
| 04:00.11 | luke-jr | siriusnova: personally, I'd just use Gentoo on it |
| 04:00.15 | siriusnova | lol |
| 04:00.18 | pupnik | delays google text entry 5-10 seconds |
| 04:00.19 | jebba | [Tycho]: bottle opener |
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| 04:00.23 | jebba | every fone shoudl have one |
| 04:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, and portrait mode is hardly "unfinished". |
| 04:00.34 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, it's just not the intended use-case for Maemo. |
| 04:00.37 | Jeff91 | Good Evening all |
| 04:00.44 | luke-jr | siriusnova: if you do want to sell it, though, PM me |
| 04:00.55 | [Tycho] | He doesn't :) |
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| 04:01.12 | siriusnova | but i have a feeling Nokia is going to release an N900i or whatever the next model is in a month or so like they usually do and forget about updating the N900 |
| 04:01.13 | pupnik | right GeneralAntilles .. i noticed that keyboard is in landscape mode. Maybe some people have problems with eyesight. |
| 04:01.14 | luke-jr | shrug, up to him |
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| 04:01.26 | jebba | siriusnova: i doubt that actually. |
| 04:01.29 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, er, yeah. . . . |
| 04:01.30 | siriusnova | gah |
| 04:01.33 | luke-jr | siriusnova: probably, but more like a year or two |
| 04:01.45 | siriusnova | i mean this phone has soooo much potential |
| 04:01.46 | jebba | siriusnova: there is lots of updates in a firmware they have pushed to "select" people. |
| 04:01.50 | luke-jr | N900 will certainly get a few more updates first |
| 04:02.00 | jebba | siriusnova: ya, if it had more than 100 apps in extras..... |
| 04:02.01 | Jeff91 | Anyone here know how difficult it is to get debain ARM up and running on the N900? |
| 04:02.05 | go1dfish | the onl app I miss portrait for is microb |
| 04:02.15 | luke-jr | siriusnova: N900 isn't a phone, it's a handheld computer with cellular capabilities |
| 04:02.19 | go1dfish | and thats just for extended reading |
| 04:02.20 | jebba | Jeff91: easy, but you can't charge the battery. I've instlaled Mer and Fedora 12, for instance. |
| 04:02.24 | luke-jr | siriusnova: look at it like that and it makes much more sense |
| 04:02.25 | [Tycho] | wants to buy a second n770 as backup. Or something with hard screen and keyboard. |
| 04:02.42 | siriusnova | luke-jr yeah i guess |
| 04:02.44 | Jeff91 | jebba mind giving me a hand getting it up and running? I have an 8gig SD card I'd like to install it to |
| 04:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, allow me to point you to: http://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?target_milestone=5.0%2B&resolution=FIXED |
| 04:02.50 | luke-jr | Jeff91: non-trivial, at least |
| 04:02.59 | siriusnova | GeneralAntilles: do we know when this fw is coming out |
| 04:03.05 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, when it's ready. |
| 04:03.10 | siriusnova | GeneralAntilles: says 0 bugs found |
| 04:03.28 | jebba | Jeff91: i'm fading, but check these: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Mer should have enough hints. Mer is based on ubuntu, so you may just want to do that wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 04:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, oops, malformed search try this: http://tinyurl.com/yey5upe |
| 04:03.53 | Jeff91 | jebba: Thanks much, I'll take a look at those |
| 04:04.23 | jebba | when it's ready or "when you are good enough to be allowed to use it". Take your pick ;) |
| 04:04.30 | jebba | some people have it already., |
| 04:05.01 | jebba | Jeff91: see also #mer |
| 04:05.10 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, considering that it was delayed from release just before Christmas, I'd say RSN. |
| 04:05.19 | Jeff91 | jebba: Thanks for that one! |
| 04:05.22 | siriusnova | rsn? |
| 04:05.26 | jebba | real soon now |
| 04:05.27 | GeneralAntilles | Real Soon Now |
| 04:05.30 | siriusnova | oh |
| 04:05.34 | siriusnova | i hope so |
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| 04:05.47 | jebba | siriusnova: ya, it does seem likely they'll push that out in january i'd think |
| 04:06.06 | jebba | why they dont allow us to just apt-get update the changes is pretty retarded though. |
| 04:06.10 | siriusnova | also anyone find an extended battery for the N900 yet? |
| 04:06.16 | jebba | nope |
| 04:06.21 | siriusnova | oh and the partitioning scheme is rather retarded |
| 04:06.27 | siriusnova | 80mb free for root |
| 04:06.28 | siriusnova | wtf |
| 04:06.28 | siriusnova | :/ |
| 04:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, um, SSU is, in essence, apt-get upgrade. |
| 04:06.44 | jebba | GeneralAntilles: and where is that? |
| 04:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, as for why it's not released early, well, there are closed and 3rd-party components involved. |
| 04:07.07 | jebba | siriusnova: yes, major drawback. All loathe it including nokians. |
| 04:07.32 | GeneralAntilles | Why aren't the open components updated? Well, would you rather they spend time packaging .debs or fixing bugs? |
| 04:07.41 | jebba | GeneralAntilles: ya, but if there are 100 updates, say, and 70 of them are open ones, those should be released as fixed.... |
| 04:07.53 | go1dfish | siriusnova: its lame... |
| 04:08.05 | go1dfish | but there is some justification for it |
| 04:08.05 | siriusnova | so is there a fix |
| 04:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, unfortunately many of those depend on closed components. |
| 04:08.07 | jebba | GeneralAntilles: well, they have the .debs already. You're not suggesting they have fixes but dont have the .debs are you? |
| 04:08.08 | siriusnova | for this root issue |
| 04:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, and their process just isn't set up for it. |
| 04:08.21 | siriusnova | i mean my root goes to 0% free in days |
| 04:08.30 | siriusnova | i tried moving /usr to /home |
| 04:08.33 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, anyway, my only point is that patience will serve us well here. |
| 04:08.34 | jebba | siriusnova: install things to /opt. |
| 04:08.36 | siriusnova | but i ended bricking my device |
| 04:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | Big ships turn slowly. |
| 04:08.39 | go1dfish | the 256mb device is significantly faster and more expensive than the rest of the flash mem |
| 04:08.46 | jebba | GeneralAntilles: patience is going to kill nokia,. |
| 04:08.46 | microlith | siriusnova: are you installing things that aren't optified? |
| 04:09.06 | siriusnova | microlith - i dunno but for example i want to install scummvm and beneath a steel sky |
| 04:09.10 | siriusnova | i cant because i run out of room |
| 04:09.10 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, the vast majority of paying customers don't care if they push unstable updates. |
| 04:09.13 | siriusnova | for apt package download |
| 04:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | So, I'd say that's unlikely. |
| 04:09.16 | go1dfish | butmstill a pita |
| 04:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, don't install things with apt-get? |
| 04:09.43 | GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, or move your apt cache to an MMC. |
| 04:09.47 | siriusnova | herm |
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| 04:10.07 | siriusnova | ln -s to /opt ? |
| 04:10.10 | siriusnova | for apt-cache? |
| 04:10.20 | siriusnova | i mean the cache |
| 04:10.21 | jebba | siriusnova: kludges like removing languages you aren't using with good old rm can help too (if you know what i mean and what you're doing) |
| 04:10.30 | jebba | siriusnova: do apt-gets like this: |
| 04:10.40 | Jeff91 | Is there a way I can go about creating a copy of my maemo rootfs on my microSD card I could boot from? |
| 04:10.45 | jebba | sudo apt-get update -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache |
| 04:10.45 | jebba | sudo apt-get install -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache foo |
| 04:10.53 | siriusnova | k |
| 04:10.56 | jebba | welll, you dont need the sudo, just run as root |
| 04:11.07 | siriusnova | cant i just link /usr to say /home/usr |
| 04:11.12 | microlith | no |
| 04:11.18 | siriusnova | because i see 150mb of stuff in /usr |
| 04:11.20 | jebba | Jeff91: ya, a bit messy. Discussion thread in forums somewhere about it. |
| 04:11.32 | siriusnova | and its mostly libs |
| 04:11.33 | jebba | siriusnova: you sort of can, but not very easily |
| 04:11.34 | luke-jr | siriusnova: only in theory |
| 04:11.38 | siriusnova | herm |
| 04:11.44 | go1dfish | also recommend moving /usr/share/pixmaps to /opt |
| 04:11.46 | luke-jr | siriusnova: in practice, Nokia has apparently depended on /usr before /home is mounted |
| 04:12.02 | siriusnova | well thats retarded |
| 04:12.02 | Jeff91 | jebba I'll go look for it then, I'd love to create a copy to play with so when I fuck it up I don't loose my phone thehehe |
| 04:12.18 | go1dfish | err |
| 04:12.25 | luke-jr | siriusnova: might be able to unionfs it <.< |
| 04:12.28 | jebba | Jeff91: if you do the Backup program, then flash, then restore backup you can unfuck it decently |
| 04:12.31 | go1dfish | that should be icons not pixmaps |
| 04:12.37 | jebba | flashing doesn't touch /home, so you're safe there |
| 04:12.54 | siriusnova | root should only include the boot kernel |
| 04:12.57 | go1dfish | saved me quite a few megs |
| 04:12.59 | siriusnova | and /bin and /sbin |
| 04:13.02 | Jeff91 | jebba: There is a backup program? Where can I find this at? |
| 04:13.04 | siriusnova | everything else should be on the emmc |
| 04:13.06 | siriusnova | imho |
| 04:13.12 | jebba | Jeff91: by default. tap tap tap. |
| 04:13.19 | GeneralAntilles | OneNAND is significantly faster than the eMMC, unfortunately. |
| 04:13.24 | jebba | in the mainest of the main application menus |
| 04:13.42 | jebba | or fortunately. Surprisingly fast boots and such. |
| 04:14.03 | jebba | i can't believe how fast i can rsync the whole thing |
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| 04:14.19 | go1dfish | yeah its def a tradeoff (the root part) |
| 04:14.21 | Jeff91 | jebba: ? |
| 04:15.41 | jebba | Jeff91: ? |
| 04:15.59 | Jeff91 | jebba: "Jeff91: by default. tap tap tap."? |
| 04:16.09 | jebba | ah, just tap the upper left corner, then tap it again for the main applications. Then find an icon that looks like a safe and tap it ;) |
| 04:16.13 | jebba | then backup all |
| 04:16.44 | Jeff91 | jebba: oh, fancy that. I really should pay more attention... |
| 04:16.55 | jebba | heh |
| 04:17.10 | Jeff91 | Just like in math class, I'll jack up an integral because of an addition mistake thehehe |
| 04:18.59 | Jeff91 | Where does that backup go? on the eMMC somewhere? |
| 04:19.07 | Jeff91 | I'd like to save a copy to my laptop |
| 04:20.15 | microlith | Jeff91: it'll go on the eMMC unless you have an SD card in |
| 04:20.38 | microlith | either way, you should be able to pull the back up off if you plug the phone into your PC |
| 04:20.43 | Jeff91 | microlith kk, I have an SD card in but its ext3 so its super annoying |
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| 04:20.58 | Jeff91 | Its stupid that extX isn't support by default on the SD |
| 04:21.43 | Jeff91 | nifty it creates a nice little folder labled backup |
| 04:21.45 | Jeff91 | sweet deal |
| 04:21.54 | microlith | I've got 4 now on my sdhc card |
| 04:22.48 | jebba | Jeff91: create like a 10 meg vfat partition on your microsd to shut up the warnign. |
| 04:24.28 | Jeff91 | it amazes me that it is 2010 |
| 04:24.30 | [Tycho] | When n770 is switched to USB-host mode, will memory card be still accessible or not ? |
| 04:24.33 | microlith | jebba: do you know where the repo for the maemo xchat port is? |
| 04:24.35 | Jeff91 | and we still use a crappy FS like fat32 |
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| 04:24.48 | microlith | Jeff91: the advantages of having a monopoly |
| 04:25.21 | [Tycho] | Yesterday i reformatted memory card from fat16 to fat32 and it feels so much better now :) |
| 04:25.38 | Jeff91 | Tycho: LOL. That made me choke on my food a bit |
| 04:26.24 | [Tycho] | 2 Gb RS-MMC now has 1.5 Gb free space more than before :) |
| 04:27.32 | [Tycho] | http://tr00.ru/prop.png - before, after - http://tr00.ru/prop2.png |
| 04:28.08 | [Tycho] | Now i can enlarge google maps cache on my nokia further :) |
| 04:28.45 | Jeff91 | Tycho: How do you go about doing that? |
| 04:29.09 | [Tycho] | I use maemo mapper 1.x |
| 04:30.03 | microlith | I suspect mapper applications will work better once you don't need the data connection for the gps to work |
| 04:30.06 | [Tycho] | It keeps all images in separate small files. |
| 04:30.30 | [Tycho] | microlith, it's why i'm downloading it all in advance :) |
| 04:30.44 | microlith | well |
| 04:30.46 | microlith | I mean GPS period |
| 04:31.08 | microlith | there's a known bug that if you don't have data access (or at least access to nokia's a-gps server) then it'll never get a lock |
| 04:31.40 | Jeff91 | Anyone here in the US have a data plan on their N900? |
| 04:31.41 | [Tycho] | It's external bluetooth GPS. |
| 04:31.56 | microlith | [Tycho]: sure, but that just sidesteps the issue |
| 04:32.01 | microlith | Jeff91: I do |
| 04:32.17 | Jeff91 | microlith: What service provider do you use? |
| 04:32.22 | microlith | AT&T |
| 04:32.23 | [Tycho] | I wouldn't buy any GPS solution that needs data connection. It's obviusly useless. |
| 04:32.25 | GeneralAntilles | Jeff91, as do I. |
| 04:32.38 | microlith | [Tycho]: as I said, it's a bug |
| 04:32.45 | Jeff91 | What type of 3g speeds do you get with your N900? |
| 04:32.49 | [Tycho] | In n900 ? |
| 04:32.52 | microlith | don't get 3G, only 2.5G |
| 04:32.57 | microlith | but it's fine for browsing/e-mail |
| 04:33.00 | Jeff91 | My AT&T is a total dog. |
| 04:33.08 | Jeff91 | Oh... :-/ |
| 04:33.11 | GeneralAntilles | Jeff91, it only supports T-Mobile for 3G in the US. |
| 04:33.24 | Jeff91 | That explains my 200kbps speed >.< |
| 04:33.24 | jebba | microlith: xchat is in extras-testing i think. It will soon be in extras i believe. |
| 04:33.27 | [Tycho] | Can someone please answer about USB-host mode ? |
| 04:33.33 | microlith | jebba: I mean the source repo |
| 04:33.42 | microlith | wants to fiddle with it |
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| 04:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | [Tycho], yes, it should still be accessible. |
| 04:35.41 | [Tycho] | Thanks. I was concerned about it :) |
| 04:38.22 | Jeff91 | Does software take awhile to compile on the ARM processor I'm guessing? |
| 04:38.51 | microlith | if you compile it -on- the arm, probably |
| 04:38.54 | [Tycho] | is going to find out this while compiling maemo-mapper :) |
| 04:39.19 | [Tycho] | Since Maemo SDK doesn't works on PC. |
| 04:39.21 | pupnik | penguin command using 6-11% cpu now :D |
| 04:39.29 | Jeff91 | Nice |
| 04:39.38 | microlith | [Tycho]: err, what do you mean it doesn't work on PC? |
| 04:40.16 | [Tycho] | I really tried to install Maemo SDK 2.2, but with no success. |
| 04:40.34 | jebba | why if my fone is set to autosync time is it off my like 20 hours. |
| 04:40.39 | [Tycho] | My best result was this: http://tr00.ru/ub_01.png |
| 04:40.40 | jebba | by liek |
| 04:40.47 | jebba | by like. ssheez. ok fingers done. |
| 04:41.06 | jebba | wow. You got it to segfault! |
| 04:41.07 | [Tycho] | So the only way i have now is to try compiling on device. |
| 04:41.25 | microlith | [Tycho]: weird, I used the installer they put up a while ago and it installed cleanly |
| 04:41.31 | jebba | wtf you need that ancient SDK for? |
| 04:41.32 | microlith | started up fine too |
| 04:41.41 | jebba | microlith: it's in extras-testing |
| 04:41.43 | [Tycho] | I need to compile for n770 |
| 04:42.02 | microlith | oh, old one |
| 04:42.11 | jebba | microlith: apt-get source from here: #deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ fremantle free |
| 04:42.15 | [Tycho] | I suppose that new SDK won't do this. |
| 04:42.30 | jebba | ah, no clue about legacy sry |
| 04:42.37 | microlith | jebba: huh, was kinda hoping there was an SVN repo. but that should do |
| 04:42.42 | jebba | though i dont know why not. |
| 04:42.54 | jebba | i'd hope for a git repo ;) |
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| 04:43.04 | microlith | git drives me crazy |
| 04:43.20 | [Tycho] | Old maemo source is only one .c file (400+ kb in size), so i have some chances :) |
| 04:43.24 | microlith | I stick everything in mercurial repos |
| 04:43.27 | [Tycho] | *old maemo mapper |
| 04:43.28 | jebba | i still only get about 1% of it but man i like it so much more than everything else... |
| 04:43.41 | jebba | mercurial seems fine too, but little experience |
| 04:43.44 | pupnik | [Tycho]: if you build without many deps, and without cortex compile flags, a lot of stuff runs on the older units |
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| 04:44.28 | pupnik | If not, i think you have to set up a sdk target with the older libs |
| 04:45.10 | [Tycho] | I don't think that there is any manual on this. |
| 04:45.24 | jebba | there's barely one for maemo 5 ;) |
| 04:45.43 | Jeff91 | No manual? How can I tell some one to RTFM if there isn't a FM? :o |
| 04:45.46 | Jeff91 | :P |
| 04:45.48 | pupnik | Sure there is - docs for older distros - scirrocco, gregale, bora, diablo |
| 04:45.56 | microlith | ohshit someone uploaded anthy |
| 04:46.23 | derf | Excellent. |
| 04:46.34 | microlith | I wonder if that's only for the sdk... |
| 04:46.39 | [Tycho] | I think it's gregale i'm trying. It has tutorial (with some errors), but i don't know why it's not working. |
| 04:47.19 | derf | Or perhaps the first in a chain of dependencies? |
| 04:48.20 | [Tycho] | May be it doesn't likes new ubuntu version or something like this. |
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| 04:56.15 | microlith | wow, so scim, scim-anthy, and anthy have all appeared in the repos |
| 04:56.25 | microlith | but they're so huge I'm afraid to load them without confirming optification |
| 04:56.36 | Jeff91 | microlith: scim? |
| 04:56.53 | microlith | input method interface |
| 04:57.24 | microlith | anthy is a japanese input method |
| 05:00.40 | jebba | would be cool to be able to see a dpkg -L of packages without install.ing |
| 05:00.48 | jebba | microlith: i'll check for you one sec |
| 05:01.22 | Jeff91 | haha Google Chrome commercials on hulu |
| 05:02.15 | jebba | microlith: scim_1.4.7-2maemo3_i386.deb is optified |
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| 05:02.44 | jebba | same for scim modules |
| 05:03.17 | jebba | same for scim-anthy i think you're ok |
| 05:09.19 | microlith | whoever created the n900Fly game has a sick sense of humor |
| 05:09.32 | microlith | jebba: how do you check that (so I can do it myself later) |
| 05:09.32 | jebba | heh |
| 05:09.38 | jebba | dpkg -c on the .deb |
| 05:09.44 | microlith | oh ok |
| 05:09.48 | jebba | i wrote something to do it to the entire extras archive |
| 05:09.52 | jebba | wait a minute and it'll be done |
| 05:09.56 | jebba | http://espejo.freemoe.org/dpkg-c/ |
| 05:10.23 | jebba | well, actually more than just extras. All free* from maemo5 inlcuding -testing, -devel, sdk tools etc |
| 05:10.35 | microlith | cool |
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| 05:10.57 | jebba | actually lemme do it differently 1 sec |
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| 05:15.30 | Jeff91 | anyone else have issues with their calender crashing now and then? |
| 05:17.06 | Jeff91 | Bleh. Anyone know if there is a way I can make apt-get build-dep and apt-get source work on Maemo? |
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| 05:18.09 | jebba | scratchbox.... |
| 05:18.58 | Jeff91 | jebba: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39392 |
| 05:19.22 | jebba | microlith: check http://espejo.freemoe.org/dpkg-c/ |
| 05:20.02 | jebba | Jeff91: you mean something like http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO = |
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| 05:20.48 | Jeff91 | clicks |
| 05:21.42 | Jeff91 | jebba: Will this work on Ubuntu or do I need to set up Debian? |
| 05:22.21 | jebba | ubuntu fine. I did it on debian and fedora 12, fwiw |
| 05:22.44 | jebba | i have a "public" sdk i can give you access to too, if you want |
| 05:22.58 | jebba | if you dont want to set up SDK. But it's really not hard. |
| 05:23.11 | jebba | just run the majick SDK script |
| 05:23.17 | microlith | there we go |
| 05:23.18 | microlith | xchat source get |
| 05:23.23 | jebba | :) |
| 05:23.45 | Jeff91 | kk I'll let you know, going to read through this page exactly what I was looking for - thnx |
| 05:23.47 | jebba | :) |
| 05:24.07 | Jeff91 | a large part of the reason I bought the N900 was so I could put my CAS software on it |
| 05:24.12 | microlith | the hildon-input-method-plugins-scim package is dying after looking for a D-BUS daemon |
| 05:24.14 | Jeff91 | wanna get it optified thehehe |
| 05:24.37 | jebba | Jeff91: CAS? |
| 05:25.01 | Jeff91 | jebba: Computer Algebra System, super useful in math class |
| 05:25.10 | jebba | ah heh. |
| 05:25.40 | jebba | there an existing .deb of it in debian? if so, pretty easy. Or if it's ./configureable pretty ez too |
| 05:25.52 | Jeff91 | Yes there is |
| 05:26.09 | Jeff91 | There are two .debs I need to port one for the CLI interface |
| 05:26.12 | Jeff91 | and one for the GUI |
| 05:26.57 | Jeff91 | jebba: That ssh command is asking me for a login password... |
| 05:27.24 | jebba | you could apt-get source the one from debian. Then just change debelper 7 to 5 in debian/control. echo 5 > debian/compat. echo auto > debian/optify, then run build :) |
| 05:27.35 | jebba | ah, Jeff91 you need an actual account ;) |
| 05:27.55 | Jeff91 | jebba: account for what? |
| 05:28.19 | jebba | well, if you are ssh'ing in to a box! |
| 05:28.39 | jebba | that was an example to log into your SDK ;) |
| 05:28.46 | Jeff91 | oh LOL |
| 05:28.51 | Jeff91 | spot on. |
| 05:29.01 | jebba | but if you want to log into *that* sdk, if you dont have one, you can use mine. |
| 05:29.04 | jebba | but i'll have to set up an account for you ;) |
| 05:29.09 | Jeff91 | Yes please. |
| 05:29.18 | jebba | ok, what's your email addr? you can /msg me if you want |
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| 05:31.57 | jebba | ok, this will take 5 min or so |
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| 05:32.17 | Jeff91 | Cool thanks, I have all night so take your time. |
| 05:32.27 | |R | http://bit.ly/5F8TIS - Nokia N900 vs iPhone 3GS vs Nexus One vs Palm Pre - Tux-planet |
| 05:32.51 | |R | Isn't the Nexus One stockage 512MB ? |
| 05:32.54 | |R | not 4GB |
| 05:33.01 | jebba | depends on if nokia servers answer or not ;) I dont have my sdk installer set up to use my mirror yet |
| 05:33.22 | Jeff91 | jebba: So wait wow - am I reading this correct? If it already has a .deb for armel I optfiy it with one command? |
| 05:33.34 | jebba | they appear to be working atm which is good |
| 05:33.40 | microlith | |R: it probably comes with a 4GB microSDHC |
| 05:33.53 | jebba | Jeff91: well, you could give that a try, ya. But best to rebuild |
| 05:34.15 | jebba | but you can apt-get source it, then rebuild, then run maemo-optify-deb and you're done. Very easy to grab stuff from debian |
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| 05:34.44 | Jeff91 | jebba: Very good, I know my way around apt-get quite well by this point :) |
| 05:34.54 | |R | microlith: yeah, but the chart also mentions microSD expansion so it's a bit of a lie |
| 05:36.26 | Jeff91 | jebba: Thanks much for setting that up for me, I plan to rebuild a good deal of packages |
| 05:36.28 | jebba | Jeff91: biggest difference is downgrading dependencies if you grab from sid. |
| 05:36.44 | jebba | Jeff91: no prob. Also take a look at mud builder. I havent used it yet, but looks good. |
| 05:36.48 | microlith | hmm |
| 05:37.10 | Jeff91 | jebba: Downgrading dependencies, thats new to me - how would I do it and when would I want to? |
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| 05:38.30 | jebba | well, if you have lots of dependencies, for example in debian/control and it says you need Build-Depends: foo-9.5 But maemo only has foo-7.1. You can often just edit that build depend and change 9.5 to 7.1 and you're golden. The debian/control file often has Build-Depends (and Depends) higher than what is really needed. |
| 05:38.58 | Jeff91 | ahh alrighty. |
| 05:39.15 | Jeff91 | And how to I go about looking up the build depens for a package and then how do I check it on maemo? |
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| 05:39.47 | jebba | if a package is really complex sometimes it's easy to start from scratch that from sid. I usually just grab from sid, downgrade debhelper and a couple other common things, and build it from there. |
| 05:40.30 | pupnik | i assume porting a QT3 app to QT4 is a lot of work? |
| 05:40.34 | jebba | Jeff91: well lets say you go to build your package: cd cas-1.0/ ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc |
| 05:41.07 | jebba | and it says "build depends needs geometry 0.5" or someshit. Then yo have to "fakeroot apt-get install geometry" and hope that it is in the repo |
| 05:41.22 | jebba | Jeff91: ok, SDK set up, I emailed you the info |
| 05:42.13 | Jeff91 | jebba: Got it, thanks again |
| 05:42.17 | jebba | Jeff91: you can look in my home dir within the scratchbox ( /scratchbox/login ) then ls /home/jebba or whatever for lots of examples. |
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| 05:43.40 | jebba | Jeff91: take a look at /scratchbox/users/jebba/etc/apt/ to see what repos i have there too, for examples of grabbing source from sid. Also note "espejo" is a local mirror fucktons faster than using maemo.org |
| 05:44.28 | Jeff91 | and I'm in huzzah! |
| 05:44.32 | jebba | cool, you're in nice |
| 05:44.34 | Jeff91 | I can also SSH from my n900 right? |
| 05:44.38 | jebba | ya wherever |
| 05:45.33 | Jeff91 | and I just prefix something with "fakeroot" |
| 05:45.38 | Jeff91 | to run it as "Root"? |
| 05:45.53 | jebba | well, if its something you'd usually run as sudo or root or whatevre, ya (e.g. dpkg -i= |
| 05:47.37 | jebba | i'm outta here for a bit, but i'll check back, then i'm off to bed then i'm on forced vacation for a couple weeks ;) |
| 05:48.51 | Jeff91 | jebba: Guess I caught you at the right time then |
| 05:48.56 | Jeff91 | jebba: Peace my man |
| 05:52.24 | Jeff91 | Does anyone know if xchat logs by default? |
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| 06:13.02 | pupnik | File upload error. You didn't upload a valid .changes file. |
| 06:13.04 | pupnik | ok |
| 06:13.13 | pupnik | i didn't touch the changes file |
| 06:13.18 | pupnik | dpkg-buildpackage made it |
| 06:14.17 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/1739782 fwiw fwgaf |
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| 06:15.56 | johnx | hi fellow maemoers |
| 06:16.01 | Jeff91 | howdy |
| 06:16.25 | johnx | does anyone know if there's a bug recorded for the N900 sometimes losing its connection from the cell carrier and being unable to find pick it up again |
| 06:16.36 | johnx | I tried to have it manually scan but it finds nothing |
| 06:16.41 | Jeff91 | not off hand |
| 06:16.44 | Jeff91 | What carrier? |
| 06:16.56 | johnx | t-mobile USA (but it won't find at&t either) |
| 06:17.19 | johnx | if it isn't a known bug, does anyone know what kind of infomation would be useful to provide for troubleshooting purposes? |
| 06:19.17 | goodwill | never heard anything like that |
| 06:19.33 | johnx | rm_you seems to experience the same behavior |
| 06:20.19 | zerojay | TMO's down. |
| 06:20.32 | johnx | oh |
| 06:20.36 | johnx | well that explains a bit |
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| 06:21.16 | johnx | aaah, t.m.o, not t-mo :) |
| 06:21.17 | johnx | got it |
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| 06:22.08 | johnx | errr, ok, from what I can see, neither of those acronyms is down. is there another tmo I should check on? :P |
| 06:22.45 | goodwill | what t.m.o stand for? |
| 06:22.54 | johnx | talk.maemo.org |
| 06:23.13 | johnx | but if you say tmo it's ambiguous whether it's t-mobile or talk.maemo.org :) |
| 06:24.08 | pupnik | i was just posting http://pupnik.de/milkytracker_0.90.80+dfsg-2_armel.deb milky tracker sound studio (untested) link to t.m.o. |
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| 06:24.29 | jebba | Jeff91: you can grab logs here http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html i'm outta here for the night have fun :) |
| 06:24.41 | pupnik | cheers jebba |
| 06:24.51 | Jeff91 | jebba one second? |
| 06:25.04 | Jeff91 | when I run maemo-optify-deb it says command not found |
| 06:25.08 | Jeff91 | did I miss a step? |
| 06:25.18 | jebba | Jeff91: hey |
| 06:25.19 | jebba | ah |
| 06:25.26 | jebba | fakeroot apt-get install maemo-optif |
| 06:25.31 | jebba | -optify |
| 06:25.33 | Jeff91 | thanks much |
| 06:25.58 | jebba | np later :) |
| 06:26.01 | Jeff91 | package not found >.< |
| 06:26.09 | jebba | feel free to email me if' i'm not around |
| 06:26.10 | jebba | what page? |
| 06:26.21 | Jeff91 | apt-get install maemo-optify |
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| 06:26.27 | Jeff91 | not found |
| 06:26.42 | pupnik | take it slow, savor it. |
| 06:26.44 | jebba | check the sources.list in my home dir |
| 06:26.52 | Jeff91 | kk |
| 06:26.56 | jebba | it's probably in tools or sdk |
| 06:27.05 | jebba | fakeroot apt-get update too |
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| 06:38.21 | Jeff91 | huh |
| 06:38.33 | Jeff91 | anyone know where I find the "maemo-optify-deb" command? |
| 06:38.48 | Jeff91 | I'm trying to run it in scrachbox its telling me command not found... |
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| 06:58.03 | newbie004 | hi, I changed the terminal buttons using a command gconftool-2 -s ... now I'm missing the arrow and fullscreen icons. How can I get them back? |
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| 07:14.58 | johnx | so, if I lose cell service and can't get it back, what might I restart? |
| 07:15.05 | johnx | I tried restarting csd already |
| 07:15.08 | johnx | didn't help at all |
| 07:18.26 | johnx | any other daemons that might have crashed thus leaving my cell service in a non-working state? |
| 07:20.29 | pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39406 chibitracker builds/runs! (.s3m .mod .it music tracker) |
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| 07:20.42 | johnx | track those nefarious chibis! |
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| 07:44.49 | tigert | woo |
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| 07:46.10 | pupnik | good morning :) |
| 07:46.38 | tigert | morn |
| 07:47.11 | tekojo | morning! |
| 07:47.14 | tigert | protracker was the one i knew a bit |
| 07:47.20 | tigert | on amiga |
| 07:47.33 | pupnik | good tunes, good times |
| 07:47.37 | tigert | yea |
| 07:47.52 | tigert | 4 channels of joy |
| 07:48.37 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/BSIREN.MOD 3NEU-FIB.MOD (1993) ;) |
| 07:48.43 | pupnik | i think siren is 8 |
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| 07:52.54 | tigert | that worked even as a ringtone |
| 07:53.11 | tigert | with the mod support gst package :) |
| 07:53.29 | tigert | wants Starshine |
| 07:53.32 | tigert | now |
| 07:53.36 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/milkytracker001.jpg |
| 07:53.42 | pupnik | what's starshine? |
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| 07:54.48 | lcuk | pupnik, you will impress jussi with it muchly |
| 07:54.50 | tybollt | pupnik: huuzah! |
| 07:54.52 | lcuk | http://twitter.com/luovanto/status/5776551765 |
| 07:54.58 | tybollt | <3 .mod's |
| 07:55.29 | tekojo | pupnik is the screenshot for real? |
| 07:55.52 | lcuk | tekojo, i have no doubts |
| 07:56.08 | lcuk | how well does it work tho pupnik |
| 07:56.28 | tekojo | I'm impressed! (even though looks small and hard to poke at) |
| 07:56.49 | tigert | pupnik: http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=60693 |
| 07:57.10 | tigert | pupnik: starshine is a great mod by Purple Motion |
| 07:57.14 | lcuk | old skool scene ftw |
| 07:57.28 | pupnik | yes tekojo |
| 07:57.54 | pupnik | i was just looking for anything that was a candidate... so i ended up compiling |
| 07:57.59 | pupnik | actually working on other things |
| 07:58.20 | tekojo | pupnik nice random compile :-) |
| 07:58.38 | pupnik | many hours of searching and rejecting too |
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| 07:58.56 | tigert | mod tracker ui would need a good keyboard ui too |
| 07:59.05 | tigert | to really be practical |
| 07:59.23 | pupnik | fantastic track! |
| 07:59.46 | tigert | starshine is likely my alltime favorite tracker tune |
| 07:59.56 | tigert | the piano riff is just insanely good |
| 08:00.02 | pupnik | gets chills for real |
| 08:00.07 | tigert | yeah |
| 08:02.00 | lcuk | just tweeted about milkytracker :) |
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| 08:03.14 | johnx | so I think my lack of cell service might be related to icd2. I can't be sure though |
| 08:03.18 | ifreq | moin |
| 08:03.26 | johnx | I was also playing with reloading some modules related to phonet at the same time |
| 08:03.37 | johnx | guess I'll have to wait until the next time I run into the problem |
| 08:03.44 | johnx | 'night for now, everyone |
| 08:03.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you bust your CMT? |
| 08:04.35 | johnx | CMT? what now? |
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| 08:04.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: gets flashed during firmware flashes, i once interrupted my flash and it killed my CMT for a while :P |
| 08:05.09 | johnx | nah. I don't think so |
| 08:05.38 | johnx | this is the 3rd time so far that my N900 just refused to 'see' any cell networks |
| 08:05.51 | johnx | the previous two times i needed the phone working again so I had to reboot it |
| 08:06.05 | johnx | this time I dug into it a bit and was able to bring it back without a reboot |
| 08:06.19 | johnx | next time it happens (if it happens) I'll try and pin-point the cause (or at least the fix) |
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| 08:07.00 | Arkenoi | any advices against enabling sr_vddX_autocomp? |
| 08:08.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: still awake? :P |
| 08:08.14 | johnx | for another 3 minutes :P |
| 08:08.16 | Stskeeps | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemoify-tools/blobs/master/README |
| 08:08.27 | Stskeeps | just imagine if this tool had been in place when we started, heh |
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| 08:09.12 | pupnik | ty Stskeeps |
| 08:09.18 | johnx | heh |
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| 08:09.47 | pupnik | important work (vs my own impotent work) |
| 08:10.10 | johnx | dunno. it might not have done enough for my tastes :) |
| 08:11.42 | shuduo | hi folks, i'm using n900. i enabled geotag in camera. i shot many pictures. i thought i can upload it to flickr or picasa with location automatically but seems it does not. any idea? |
| 08:12.33 | pupnik | shuduo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39298&highlight=geotagging+flickr |
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| 08:17.50 | shuduo | pupnik, thanks, but where is 'Import EXIF location data' and has 'Who will be able to see your stuff on a map'? is it in flickr web site? |
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| 08:19.11 | pupnik | haven't tried it myself - thought maybe a t.m.o search could help |
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| 08:23.36 | shuduo | pupnik, got it. it's in flickr's Your Account setting. :) |
| 08:24.04 | pupnik | can you post that to the thread for other people? |
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| 08:32.58 | shuduo | pupnik, yes, i turned on that and upload a picture. but it seems the picture has not been on map or location automatically. |
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| 08:36.16 | pupnik | sounds like a real problem |
| 08:44.51 | tigert | shuduo: flickr account settings has a checkbox for importing geotags |
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| 08:45.07 | tigert | off by default |
| 08:45.17 | tigert | iirc |
| 08:45.22 | shuduo | tigert, yes, i turned on it already |
| 08:46.48 | tigert | then make sure you set flickr sharing options in n900 to not remove geotags in optiond |
| 08:46.56 | tigert | options even |
| 08:47.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | pointy! |
| 08:48.37 | ifreq | new msn-pecan is out, can regular users vote apps too? |
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| 08:55.35 | shuduo | tigert, i did not touch that option. i just copy original jpg file by mass storage mode when i connect n900 with my pc |
| 08:56.01 | tigert | ah |
| 08:56.08 | tigert | do those have geotags? |
| 08:56.18 | tigert | see with an exif viewer |
| 08:56.33 | tigert | so you know what part of the toolchain has the problem |
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| 08:56.57 | shuduo | i can't seet it from file property in windows explorer. it already shows exif info but i am not sure it can read geotag or not |
| 08:57.04 | tigert | n900 image viewer "details" view also shows coords if it has them |
| 08:57.20 | tigert | see with that |
| 08:57.40 | tigert | I gotta run now, good luck with that |
| 08:57.53 | shuduo | thanks |
| 08:58.05 | shuduo | what is "n900 image viewer"? |
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| 08:58.48 | timeless_mbp | 'photos' |
| 08:59.02 | timeless_mbp | unless you install a localization which actually calls it image viewer... |
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| 08:59.41 | timeless_mbp | google's picasa can read the lat/long |
| 09:00.05 | L0cutus | re |
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| 09:20.11 | bigon | mmm I had had a wierd thing during the night, my battery was cherged before going to sleep (green led) and when I wake up the led was off and the battery was at less than 50% of it's level |
| 09:20.43 | shuduo | timeless_mbp, did you ever try to use piciasa to read geotag data from n900's photo? |
| 09:20.53 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 09:21.05 | shuduo | oh? i can't ... |
| 09:21.53 | shuduo | what i miss? i'm using picasa 3. i don't think it's old. |
| 09:22.16 | timeless_mbp | are you sure you've managed to geocode stuff? |
| 09:22.23 | timeless_mbp | picasa's viewer is really easy |
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| 09:22.37 | timeless_mbp | 1. it'll show an icon indicating if there's a tag |
| 09:23.55 | shuduo | where is that icon? |
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| 09:24.34 | timeless_mbp | bottom right corner of each thumbnail |
| 09:24.53 | tybollt | I'm using flickr for this type of shitz today. Is picasa better/worse? Any opinions? |
| 09:25.13 | timeless_mbp | flickr is less good about protecting your secrets |
| 09:25.21 | timeless_mbp | picasa is a client application |
| 09:25.29 | timeless_mbp | unlike picasaweb/flickr |
| 09:25.38 | tybollt | sorry I meant picasaweb ;) |
| 09:25.52 | timeless_mbp | we weren't talking about that :) |
| 09:26.06 | tybollt | fair enough |
| 09:26.12 | tybollt | crawls back in under that rock again |
| 09:26.16 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:26.30 | ifreq | moin |
| 09:28.04 | shuduo | timeless_mbp, i can't see the icon at thumbnail corner. :( |
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| 09:36.08 | timeless_mbp | shuduo: so... |
| 09:36.18 | timeless_mbp | i have a bunch of albums w/ tags |
| 09:36.19 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 09:36.59 | timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/20090927_017.jpg |
| 09:37.04 | timeless_mbp | load that picture into picasa |
| 09:37.10 | timeless_mbp | see if it has a thumbnail |
| 09:37.46 | timeless_mbp | err icon |
| 09:39.01 | timeless_mbp | for people playing along at home, the lat/long for that image are um "interesting" |
| 09:40.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Is the back of a 32gb iPhone 3Gs supposed to have [s] on it? or something like that |
| 09:40.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Or are there any distinguishing marks.. |
| 09:40.55 | shuduo | timeless_mbp, i wonder your pic has geotag i can read out. i notice your picture exif data's Camera Make is N900 and Camera Model is RX-51 but my picture exif data's Camera Make is Nokia and Camera Model is N900 |
| 09:41.34 | timeless_mbp | my photo was taken by an n900 proto before we finished our branding as 'n900' |
| 09:42.45 | shuduo | oh, so your pic's date is 2009:09:27. that time we have no n900 to buy |
| 09:43.30 | timeless_mbp | yup |
| 09:44.15 | shuduo | hmm... i will try again. what do you suggest for me? |
| 09:44.26 | timeless_mbp | anyway, did you see the indicator near picasa's thumbnail view? |
| 09:45.20 | timeless_mbp | first step: are you sure you've asked Camera to do geotagging in the first place? |
| 09:45.23 | shuduo | no |
| 09:45.34 | timeless_mbp | asked two questions |
| 09:45.35 | shuduo | no for picasa |
| 09:45.46 | shuduo | yes for geotag |
| 09:45.48 | timeless_mbp | for my photo you saw no indicator? |
| 09:46.05 | timeless_mbp | i'm using 3.6.1 (os x) |
| 09:46.41 | shuduo | yes, i can see indicator |
| 09:46.49 | timeless_mbp | ok, good |
| 09:46.58 | timeless_mbp | ok, open camera |
| 09:47.09 | timeless_mbp | (open the camera lens) |
| 09:47.14 | timeless_mbp | if you can't see the title bar, tap the center of screen |
| 09:47.18 | timeless_mbp | tap the title |
| 09:47.27 | timeless_mbp | tap geotagging |
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| 09:54.55 | shuduo | timeless_mbp, one minute, i am powering on my n900 now |
| 09:57.23 | shuduo | timeless_mbp, my n900 is changed its location and language to Chinese, i guess maybe that's problem just like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39298&highlight=geotagging+flickr mentioned |
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| 09:58.36 | timeless_mbp | shuduo: so err |
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| 09:59.13 | timeless_mbp | for my photo you had an icon in picasa |
| 09:59.18 | timeless_mbp | but for your photo, you don't, right? |
| 09:59.26 | shuduo | no |
| 09:59.41 | timeless_mbp | sorry, let's avoid one word answers, since your English parsing isn't reliable |
| 09:59.47 | timeless_mbp | and my questions are complicated |
| 10:00.29 | shuduo | sorry, i can see icon on your photo, but no icon on mine |
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| 10:00.53 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 10:01.04 | timeless_mbp | so, the icon indicates presence of coords |
| 10:01.22 | timeless_mbp | the url you pointed me to talks about the other coordinates |
| 10:02.35 | shuduo | oh, got it. you mean IPTC is not human readable place name but coords |
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| 10:03.39 | timeless_mbp | your url is talking about the encoding of the location names |
| 10:04.18 | timeless_mbp | but the problem is that your photo has no sat info at all |
| 10:04.28 | shuduo | ok. |
| 10:05.46 | shuduo | let me try again... to take pic with geotag |
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| 10:10.50 | gevaerts | Is there a way to make an n900 export the entire eMMC over MSC, and not just the FAT partition? |
| 10:11.09 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't? |
| 10:11.54 | gevaerts | it doesn't seem to. I get a 28.9 GB/27.0 GiB device without a partition table and with only the FAT filesystem on it |
| 10:12.36 | timeless_mbp | so, that "device" is ext2 or ext3 |
| 10:12.45 | timeless_mbp | i think |
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| 10:12.56 | timeless_mbp | our eMMC is 32gb |
| 10:13.02 | timeless_mbp | the vfat is 2gb |
| 10:13.06 | timeless_mbp | the remainder is roughly 29gb |
| 10:13.18 | gevaerts | um, no. The vfat part is 29gb |
| 10:13.27 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 10:13.35 | timeless_mbp | oops, sorry, i've got them reversed |
| 10:13.41 | timeless_mbp | i'm sleep deprived :) |
| 10:13.41 | Stskeeps | gevaerts: /home is on mmc so it can't export entire emmc |
| 10:13.49 | timeless_mbp | well |
| 10:13.52 | timeless_mbp | you could unmount /home |
| 10:13.56 | timeless_mbp | that'd be fun |
| 10:14.13 | gevaerts | exactly. /usr isn't on it. It might not be that easy, but it should be doable |
| 10:14.36 | timeless_mbp | the key is that Mass Storage works by giving exclusive control of something away |
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| 10:14.49 | timeless_mbp | you can't share, so we have to unmount ~/MyDocs to give away VFAT |
| 10:14.56 | gevaerts | I know |
| 10:15.02 | timeless_mbp | we'd have to unmount /home to give away ext3 |
| 10:15.12 | timeless_mbp | why bother? |
| 10:15.23 | timeless_mbp | it's 2gb of data you can express using rsync |
| 10:15.27 | timeless_mbp | or sftp |
| 10:16.24 | gevaerts | So what's the best way to change the partition layout? 2gb is not nearly enough on the ext3 bit. Build and run parted on the device? |
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| 10:16.47 | timeless_mbp | this has been discussed in tmo or somewhere |
| 10:16.57 | timeless_mbp | have you actually run out of space on ~ ? |
| 10:17.09 | timeless_mbp | how many gb of apps do you actually intend to install? |
| 10:17.27 | gevaerts | My svn checkouts are there |
| 10:17.32 | timeless_mbp | keep in mind that accounting restrictions on apt's package db in / will probably limit you faster than the size of ~ |
| 10:17.40 | timeless_mbp | why?! |
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| 10:17.58 | gevaerts | because FAT has too many restrictions for unix-type stuff |
| 10:18.22 | tybollt | you can say that again. |
| 10:18.53 | gevaerts | Would things break if I just reformat the big partition as ext3? |
| 10:19.07 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: you lose mass storage |
| 10:19.13 | timeless_mbp | and you lose MyDocs |
| 10:19.24 | timeless_mbp | which roughly speaking makes most of the Maemo GUI apps useless |
| 10:19.33 | eijk | Anybody have a hint where the symbol table invoked with Fn+Ctrl (Sym) is defined? |
| 10:19.37 | gevaerts | so MyDocs has to be fat? |
| 10:19.52 | timeless_mbp | i think Maemo wants to manage mounting it |
| 10:20.04 | tybollt | gevaerts: if you want to upload your mp3/movie/pr0n-content via USB mass storage plug-n-play - yes |
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| 10:20.07 | timeless_mbp | the existence of a directory ~/MyDocs will not make it happy |
| 10:20.25 | gevaerts | timeless_mbp: but if it's still a separate partition, can't it do that? |
| 10:20.29 | X-Fade | gevaerts: I think the best trick is to shrink the vfat partition and create an ext3 one behind it. |
| 10:20.52 | tybollt | X-Fade++ that's the way to go about it |
| 10:21.30 | RST38h | Mhm...What is the official method to remove little dust balls and hairs getting under the camera glass? |
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| 10:22.09 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: the code expects a certain number of partitions and control over mounting them |
| 10:22.15 | timeless_mbp | if you go from 2 to 1, that won't work |
| 10:22.31 | gevaerts | timeless_mbp: yes, I understand that. But does it expect them to be FAT? |
| 10:22.33 | tybollt | RST38h: how'd ya manage that? 8-S |
| 10:22.43 | timeless_mbp | dunno |
| 10:22.57 | RST38h | tybollt: I have just got a new N900 from DDP and it has got a piece of hair under the glass |
| 10:23.01 | timeless_mbp | personally i think if you're trying to stick gb's of data from svn onto your n900 you're doing something *very* wrong |
| 10:23.14 | lcuk | RST38h, photo? |
| 10:23.20 | gevaerts | disagrees |
| 10:23.33 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: svn costs 2x data |
| 10:23.36 | RST38h | lcuk: it is currently powered down in the box |
| 10:23.46 | timeless_mbp | because it needs the live version and the reference version |
| 10:23.47 | tybollt | RST38h: DOA - replace it |
| 10:23.48 | gevaerts | timeless_mbp: yes, so how else do I keep in sync with the repository? |
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| 10:23.51 | RST38h | lcuk: Will apply invisible shiled first, tonight |
| 10:23.55 | lcuk | mmm using git to store photos/pron collection |
| 10:23.55 | RST38h | it is not dead |
| 10:23.55 | timeless_mbp | use git/hg |
| 10:24.14 | tybollt | lcuk :-D |
| 10:24.32 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: what are you actually using svn to manage? |
| 10:24.35 | lcuk | i shudder to think what you would use branches and stuff for lol |
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| 10:24.52 | gevaerts | timeless_mbp: the normal things: source code |
| 10:24.59 | timeless_mbp | what project? |
| 10:25.00 | edheldil | massstorage as such does not need fat, no? |
| 10:25.04 | gevaerts | various projects |
| 10:25.14 | timeless_mbp | why do you need GBs of data? |
| 10:25.19 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: you're dancing with me |
| 10:25.25 | timeless_mbp | i do not appreciate this |
| 10:25.26 | tybollt | RST38h: I hear you. But if there were hairs _inside_ of my phone - entirely visible - I would raise hell. That's so far from not acceptable... I am speechless. |
| 10:25.28 | timeless_mbp | i work on Mozilla |
| 10:25.42 | timeless_mbp | Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on |
| 10:25.43 | timeless_mbp | rpool/export/home/timeless/devel/mozilla.org 105Gi 5.2Gi 100Gi 5% /Users/timeless/devel/mozilla.org |
| 10:25.46 | tybollt | s/not acceptable/acceptable/ |
| 10:25.58 | gevaerts | timeless_mbp: you're pretending that the only valid use case for this phone is the one you happen to use. I do not appreciate that |
| 10:26.09 | jafd | Hello. Trying to install maemo sdk; getting "mmap: Operation not permitted" repeatedly. Google is to no help, am I missing something obvious? The installer reports that my prereqs are OK. |
| 10:26.15 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: i'm not making that claim |
| 10:26.21 | timeless_mbp | i do dev work from my n900 |
| 10:26.30 | Remosi | I wish my N900 could NFS mount from my home machines -- that'd be nice, get a few more TB of storage on it |
| 10:26.32 | lcuk | i never once filled a 1gb card |
| 10:26.34 | lcuk | :D |
| 10:26.34 | timeless_mbp | what stupid project are you working on from your n900 that uses svn? |
| 10:26.47 | timeless_mbp | Remosi: you're nuts |
| 10:26.54 | tybollt | Remosi: why shouldn't it? |
| 10:26.55 | Remosi | timeless, Thanks :) |
| 10:26.57 | timeless_mbp | fwiw historically Maemo has supported NFS |
| 10:26.58 | gevaerts | refuses to discuss things with arrogant people who think their view is the only valid one |
| 10:27.02 | Remosi | tybollt, it's not inthe kernel :( |
| 10:27.14 | jafd | (the SDK in question is for fremantle, using Debian and 2.6.33-rc1 kernel) |
| 10:27.19 | Remosi | and I've not been game enouhg to compile a new kernel for my phone |
| 10:27.23 | timeless_mbp | Remosi: the issue about NFS is not that it's a network file system |
| 10:27.37 | timeless_mbp | the issue is that NFS specifically has _issues_ |
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| 10:27.51 | Remosi | well, 9p, nfs |
| 10:27.54 | timeless_mbp | stuck locks and bad failure recovery |
| 10:28.04 | Remosi | it'd be nice if someone had a nice unixy network file system |
| 10:28.12 | timeless_mbp | for a mobile device, NFS if you're actually mobile is asking for trouble |
| 10:28.14 | Remosi | something that actually know what a symlink and hardlink was |
| 10:28.19 | Remosi | well yeah I realise that |
| 10:28.28 | valdyn | Remosi: fuse is not in the n900 kernel? |
| 10:28.29 | jafd | Remosi: CIFS+POSIX extensions, no? |
| 10:28.33 | Remosi | but for while developing at home i'd be nice |
| 10:28.49 | timeless_mbp | does the QNX network file system count? |
| 10:29.18 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: that's not unique for n900 exactly... goes for every dern laptop out there or whatever else mobile-connected mini-appliance you may have. IMHO as long as you know the caveats, why not let users use nfs? :) |
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| 10:29.30 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: they're free to |
| 10:29.34 | timeless_mbp | it's just a bad idea :) |
| 10:29.39 | tybollt | agreed |
| 10:29.40 | timeless_mbp | but out of the box |
| 10:29.40 | valdyn | Remosi: google seems to suggest that you have fuse on your n900, so you got most filesystems anyway |
| 10:29.54 | timeless_mbp | enabling end users to shoot themselves in their groin is not good for PR |
| 10:30.04 | tybollt | sure |
| 10:30.05 | timeless_mbp | users tend to overlook the "Oh, yeah, this could be risky" bit |
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| 10:30.15 | tybollt | indeed |
| 10:30.25 | timeless_mbp | if it works out of the box, they expect it to work flawlessly under all conditions |
| 10:30.30 | timeless_mbp | (users can be incredibly annoying like that) |
| 10:30.42 | Remosi | valdyn: user@Nokia-N900-42-11$ grep fuse /proc/filesystems returns nothing |
| 10:30.43 | Arkenoi | examined the touchscreen closely (after 6 weeks use). Numerous micro scratches, but really small ones - not a single you would find without thorough examination under the bright lamp. But still they are, looks like plastic is not that hard as on ipods or e90 external screen. |
| 10:30.56 | edheldil | like the review where he installed tons of devel-state apps and then complained of n900 instability? :))) |
| 10:30.59 | valdyn | Remosi: fuser is not a filesystem |
| 10:31.03 | valdyn | Remosi: fuse is not a filesystem |
| 10:31.19 | jafd | lsmod | grep fuse |
| 10:31.20 | valdyn | Remosi: its an interface to use filesystems implemented in user space |
| 10:31.23 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Beware: it CAN be scratched |
| 10:31.23 | timeless_mbp | edheldil: i'm pretty sure i do not want to read it, but i can't say that i'm surprised to hear it exists |
| 10:31.33 | valdyn | Remosi: sshfs is one such filesystem, and its in the repos, somewhere |
| 10:31.41 | Remosi | valdyn, I realise that, but presumably it must be known to VFS somehow, although it's possibel it doesn't turn up there |
| 10:31.48 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: the iPod/iPhone use glass |
| 10:31.52 | valdyn | Remosi: sure it doesnt turn up there |
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| 10:32.00 | timeless_mbp | totally different properties |
| 10:32.03 | Remosi | ah there /is/ a module for it, it's jut not loaded |
| 10:32.10 | Remosi | my humblest apologies |
| 10:32.14 | Arkenoi | timeless_mbp, classic ipods (not touch) used plastic, but reasonably hard one |
| 10:32.24 | RST38h | tybollt: it looks like a tiny piece of carpeting. If you can somehow sweep it aside, let us say by using an eletrically charged piece of paper, I would be happy |
| 10:32.33 | timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=iphone+glass+replacement&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 10:32.46 | jafd | Arkenoi: mine looks much like glass to me... |
| 10:32.58 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: are you sure they ever used plastic? |
| 10:33.01 | jafd | If it's plastic, it must be damn good |
| 10:33.02 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Having said that, Nokia has done a very good job on making it scratch resistant: seems to "hide" small scratches unless you look in bright light under specific angles |
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| 10:33.30 | KMFDM | i threw a screen protector on mine after getting some small scratches |
| 10:33.32 | Arkenoi | timeless, yep, i remember i read an article stating glass was introduced with iphone |
| 10:33.38 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: ok |
| 10:33.53 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i'm not defending glass v. plastic |
| 10:34.00 | jafd | Sorry, seems like none noticed my question... The world is cruel :-( |
| 10:34.04 | timeless_mbp | i'm a software guy, the hardware should just work |
| 10:34.23 | jafd | Hello. Trying to install maemo sdk; getting "mmap: Operation not permitted" repeatedly. Google is to no help, am I missing something obvious? The installer reports that my prereqs are OK. The kernel is 2.6.33-rc |
| 10:34.32 | jafd | ...something. |
| 10:34.42 | timeless_mbp | jafd: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/irclog/index.php?date=2009-10-22 |
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| 10:35.06 | Arkenoi | RST38h, there is no glare filter, so i guess i can use optical polishing substance to remove those? |
| 10:35.30 | gevaerts | Does anyone know why gnu make in the sdk repository is still 3.80? |
| 10:35.47 | valdyn | gevaerts: because it works? |
| 10:35.49 | timeless_mbp | jafd: sounds like vm.mmap_min_addr |
| 10:35.58 | tybollt | RST38h: you know that's not a silly idea - could work |
| 10:36.02 | gevaerts | valdyn: except when it doesn't |
| 10:36.08 | cehteh | Arkenoi: the surface is treatened |
| 10:36.13 | jafd | timeless_mbp: yeah, I see that |
| 10:36.15 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: changing the version of make risks changing what builds and what doesn't |
| 10:36.17 | RST38h | Arkenoi: You can try. And tell us of the results. |
| 10:36.19 | jafd | timeless_mbp: sysctl? |
| 10:36.19 | valdyn | gevaerts: sure |
| 10:36.30 | timeless_mbp | jafd: i'm a software guy |
| 10:36.37 | timeless_mbp | that's kernel, i don't think of it as software |
| 10:36.45 | tybollt | RST38h: I like that idea - it could work. |
| 10:36.57 | timeless_mbp | ... one typically doesn't change the build toolchain after releasing a product |
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| 10:37.16 | valdyn | wheres upstream make at ? |
| 10:37.24 | valdyn | i see 3.81 in debian/sid |
| 10:37.38 | gevaerts | upstream is 3.81, since april 2006 |
| 10:37.40 | valdyn | thats closer than i would have guessed for sure |
| 10:37.41 | Remosi | timeless_mbp, I presume you've been doing a lot of work on fennec? |
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| 10:37.58 | timeless_mbp | Remosi: i try to work on core instead of the ui layer |
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| 10:38.06 | timeless_mbp | but i do play w/ it |
| 10:38.07 | Arkenoi | RST38h, i'd like to have an emergency source of reasonably priced replacement screen plastic before i try, do you know if any moscow service centers gonna have it? Sirius-T maybe? (those guys still have outdated phone cases in stock and many other goodies) |
| 10:38.09 | Remosi | fair |
| 10:38.17 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: ebay |
| 10:38.32 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, russian postal service is sloooooow |
| 10:38.55 | jafd | Arkenoi: ebay may be evil, but I would make a dozen of phone calls to the service centers instead |
| 10:39.06 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:39.35 | jafd | Arkenoi: it will be cheaper at the end + they may use eBay themselves, but I would gladly make it THEIR problem. |
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| 10:39.46 | tybollt | RST38h: Keep in mind that you could easily kill the device that way. |
| 10:39.48 | Arkenoi | i am still waiting for my leather case i ordered 10 days ago |
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| 10:40.02 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 10:40.02 | tybollt | if electrostatic charge is applied incorrectly |
| 10:40.07 | timeless_mbp | etch has 3.81-2 |
| 10:40.09 | jafd | Arkenoi: you better wait until all holidays are over |
| 10:40.15 | tybollt | lenny! |
| 10:40.29 | jafd | Arkenoi: like, they unfreeze on Jan 20 or so. |
| 10:41.15 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/new_mobile_device_purchase_makes?utm_source=onion_rss_daily :) |
| 10:41.31 | gevaerts | 3.81 isn't exactly new. I understand that changing it is risky, but I'd think it's something reasonable to do when overhauling the entire OS. |
| 10:41.43 | RST38h | Arkenoi: a fabrique case is r350 at Euroset |
| 10:42.00 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: we haven't done many overhauls |
| 10:42.08 | timeless_mbp | in fact, i'm not sure when the last one was |
| 10:42.20 | RST38h | Arkenoi: ok, ok, it comes with a picture of a cock, which is kinda troubling, but does the job |
| 10:42.26 | Arkenoi | rst38h: lol |
| 10:42.26 | timeless_mbp | i think that for harmattan someone is trying to be more aggressive about pulling in packages |
| 10:42.36 | timeless_mbp | but that will only work during the beginning of the process |
| 10:42.44 | pupnik | chibotracker rules .. very nice |
| 10:42.49 | Arkenoi | RST38h, well, i guess it is not my style somehow ;-) |
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| 10:43.05 | jafd | RST38h: but that's fabric, it's no leather, especially genuine crocodile leather straight from Nile valleys, at African prices... |
| 10:43.13 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Actually, except for that silly picture, it is very practical |
| 10:43.34 | RST38h | jafd: does not wear out that much though |
| 10:43.58 | Arkenoi | RST38h, will see if case i ordered fits good |
| 10:44.10 | RST38h | Arkenoi: which one have you ordered anyway? |
| 10:44.14 | jafd | used totally no case for his N810, scratched it against the keys and... the touchscreen is dead. |
| 10:44.36 | RST38h | keys + gadgets = trouble |
| 10:44.39 | jafd | Unintentionally, of course, it was a shared pocket |
| 10:44.46 | gevaerts | has one pocket for scratchy things and one pocked for scratch-sensitive things |
| 10:45.01 | Arkenoi | http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000787&products_id=27091 |
| 10:45.32 | jafd | That's a good idea as long as you don't forget which one is for which kind of things |
| 10:45.46 | SpeedEvil | forgets. |
| 10:45.51 | tybollt | I usually carry my phone in the right pocket but the little bolts of the "coin pocket" inside of it may scratch my screen which is not good |
| 10:45.53 | Arkenoi | jafd: that's why i want the case |
| 10:45.56 | SpeedEvil | Apart from the things I can't forget. |
| 10:46.07 | Arkenoi | it is easy to forget especially when you are drunk |
| 10:46.14 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I have got PDAir case for N810 |
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| 10:46.17 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: remove them. |
| 10:46.24 | SpeedEvil | clothes hacking isn't that hard. |
| 10:46.38 | Arkenoi | you take the phone out, answer the call and then put it into whatever pocket is nearby |
| 10:46.47 | RST38h | Arkenoi: It is pretty nice but (as all leather) wears out and makes keyboard operation more difficult |
| 10:47.05 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: I tried removing my pants them but the cops arrested me... |
| 10:47.19 | SpeedEvil | I wish you could get more. |
| 10:47.24 | tybollt | ;) |
| 10:47.31 | SpeedEvil | more keyboard mats |
| 10:47.36 | SpeedEvil | And blank ones |
| 10:47.42 | gevaerts | timeless_mbp: ah, ok. I had expected more change since the n770 days, but I guess the people involved have too many time constraints to worry about toolchains |
| 10:47.44 | SpeedEvil | I want to custom engrave the ekyboard |
| 10:47.52 | SpeedEvil | add symbols |
| 10:47.55 | Arkenoi | RST38h, and it costs about three times leather case should cost, but the price is still ok. i guess it could cost about 2000 roubles in a local store, |
| 10:48.01 | jafd | Arkenoi: BTW, do you know any MSK store which would sell me an N900 on a Saturday and give me all documents which would prove I actually did purchase at their store? I mean, those which are OK with customs etc. |
| 10:48.04 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Like, a pentagram? =) |
| 10:48.16 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: how about a "das keyboard" for the n800 - eh? ;) |
| 10:48.16 | RST38h | jafd: Nokia Flagship Store |
| 10:48.20 | tybollt | N900, too |
| 10:48.41 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: |,tab,... |
| 10:48.50 | jafd | tybollt: I think no, N900 is not a USB host. |
| 10:48.53 | RST38h | jafd: Tverskaya station, walk out from the subway then follow the huge garish signs |
| 10:48.53 | jafd | RST38h: thx |
| 10:49.02 | tybollt | jafd: no |
| 10:49.10 | timeless_mbp | gevaerts: managers in just about every corporation are incredibly risk averse |
| 10:49.14 | wazd_e63 | heya all |
| 10:49.16 | tybollt | jafd: think n900 native keyboard - "das keyboard"-style... :) |
| 10:49.16 | RST38h | Speed: So which keys would you sacrifice? |
| 10:49.23 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: none. |
| 10:49.27 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure why gmake didn't get updated |
| 10:49.35 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: many keys do not have blue symbols on |
| 10:49.50 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: for tab, I'd probably move "*" |
| 10:49.53 | tybollt | I would sacrifice hash-key for pipe - easily |
| 10:50.05 | RST38h | jafd: If it is too expensive, try Euroset (kiosks are pretty much on every corner, but only larger ones will have N900) |
| 10:50.05 | tybollt | would I make that choice for everyone? Not sure |
| 10:50.07 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: so tab can be gotten by rolling over from blue |
| 10:50.14 | timeless_mbp | i'd rather sacrifice GBP for PIPE :) |
| 10:50.28 | RST38h | Speed: Ah ok |
| 10:50.36 | gevaerts | timeless_mbp: no security issues combined with being lucky that nothing you're actually using breaks with it I'd say |
| 10:50.46 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: oh that's even better |
| 10:50.48 | Arkenoi | visited m-video store again, no sell-outs but a huge variety of slightly damaged gadgets: an e71 with a few scratches on the back cover (abut $15 to replace) - 7300 roubles, several e-ink ebooks within 5500r range, etc |
| 10:50.52 | RST38h | Speed: But this means that even if you do not inscribe physical keys ou can still get these keys to do what you want, right? |
| 10:51.04 | tybollt | who in their right mind needs pound anyway? (pun intended) |
| 10:51.08 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: of course. |
| 10:51.09 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Still too expensive, sorry |
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| 10:51.42 | Arkenoi | RST38h, 5500 is almost ok, i am thinking on buying one if it has no scratches on the screen and front surface |
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| 10:51.43 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: however - I'd still rather have the keymat inscribed if I could. The actual laser marking is cheap. |
| 10:51.56 | RST38h | jafd: So, that national IMEI database did end up with a national fuckup? |
| 10:52.17 | Arkenoi | i said i won't buy e-ink reader untli it drops through $200 range, now it did |
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| 10:52.26 | RST38h | Speed: You can inscribe the existing one if you ar enot moving any symbols around |
| 10:52.34 | jafd | RST38h: I dunno when they gonna enforce it but I better not risk with gray imports |
| 10:52.49 | Arkenoi | jafd, are you going to travel to Ukraine? |
| 10:52.51 | RST38h | jafd: Oh they have not yet? Probably never will. |
| 10:53.03 | jafd | Arkenoi: worse, I live there |
| 10:53.08 | Arkenoi | ah |
| 10:53.20 | Arkenoi | at least the weather is better there |
| 10:53.27 | RST38h | Because the whole idea stinks of a clusterfuck for everyone, from actual users to the police |
| 10:53.32 | xorAxAx | i want my n900! |
| 10:53.34 | jafd | Arkenoi: snow + fog |
| 10:53.43 | Arkenoi | a small bribe will fix the imei database entry, isn't it? |
| 10:53.47 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Weather is perfect atm |
| 10:53.58 | RST38h | Dunno what is there to complain |
| 10:54.21 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: barring the users that get robbed of phones. If globally phones could be made worthless on theft... |
| 10:54.23 | jafd | RST38h: actually, yes. But the catch is that filing with national IMEI registry is free, but some folks will still try to make a buck |
| 10:54.48 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Oh, it is a bit different |
| 10:55.01 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: AFAIK, .UA already has an IMEI database to preven ttheft |
| 10:55.15 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: The CF initiative is to use the same database to preven tgray imports |
| 10:55.24 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: oh |
| 10:55.33 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: that seems a much worse idea |
| 10:55.39 | Arkenoi | sold my old e90 to an ukrainian girl (well, actually to my ex and she offered unreasonably high price). she had no problems with it as i visited ukraine with that phone before and the visit magically fixed it into the IMEI database |
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| 10:58.08 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.19 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: that's a really strange way to describe an ex |
| 10:58.34 | timeless_mbp | btw, i'd write "a ukrainian" not "an" |
| 10:58.46 | jafd | Arkenoi: you don't need to bribe them. You write them a standard letter, Xerox your ID along with the proof of purchase (and that's why I don't want to mess with fly-by-night shops -- I want them to be there when they finally bother to check), envelope that and send them with delivery receipt option. After that, you make a call in three days, if they did not process your letter, you can safely drag them to court, per legislation which specifically |
| 10:58.50 | timeless_mbp | it's pronounced Yook with Y as a consonant |
| 10:59.05 | Arkenoi | timeless_mbp, well, i started writing referring to "a girl" and then decided to make a clarification as the story is amazing |
| 10:59.11 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: One that snoops wifi for local tablets, cracks the tcp/ip stream, and works out from the traffic if the victim is likely to fight back, then extrapolates the path for dark areas you can do it in? |
| 10:59.21 | timeless_mbp | what's the story? |
| 10:59.46 | pupnik | you earn your nick :) |
| 11:00.52 | RST38h | jafd: MVideo has N900 for r28890 |
| 11:00.56 | Arkenoi | timeless_mbp, she said she wants my phone exactly because she does not want mess with installing extra software and if she gets mine she may be sure everything useful is already there |
| 11:00.59 | jafd | And, ahem, you actually need to bribe 'em if you import more than two units, because customs will grab more money from you anyway + certification |
| 11:01.13 | Arkenoi | and offered me $400 though i expected to sell it much cheaper |
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| 11:01.25 | timeless_mbp | interesting... |
| 11:01.30 | timeless_mbp | how long were you together? |
| 11:01.37 | timeless_mbp | (if you don't mind my asking..) |
| 11:01.46 | tybollt | Arkenoi: this chick in market for an E75 by any chance? ;D |
| 11:01.52 | jafd | Arkenoi: I would never ever allow a GF to mess with my phone. There must be something enigmatic about us guys for them, and if it's a phone, I'm ok with this idea. |
| 11:02.12 | Arkenoi | a year or so |
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| 11:03.12 | jafd | "Oh, his phone is so strange and hard-to-use, I would never figure it, and he knows it inside out!" |
| 11:03.27 | jafd | That's why N900 exists, after all |
| 11:03.37 | RST38h | it is not very hard to use though |
| 11:03.46 | RST38h | pretty idiot proof at the surface |
| 11:04.40 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: any chance to get a netmonitor on n900? |
| 11:04.49 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: eh? |
| 11:05.05 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: eh? |
| 11:05.07 | Arkenoi | her previous phone was 9500, i gave it to her as a gift after i purchased e90 (it was several months after we broke up, she liked that phone very much) |
| 11:05.15 | timeless_mbp | what do you mean by 'a netmonitor'? |
| 11:05.28 | tybollt | tcpdump |
| 11:05.32 | tybollt | wireshark |
| 11:05.34 | tybollt | nmap |
| 11:05.35 | tybollt | ? |
| 11:05.36 | xorAxAx | a gsm netmonitor |
| 11:05.44 | xorAxAx | showing you cell information |
| 11:06.06 | timeless_mbp | dunno |
| 11:06.08 | Brumle | tybollt: kismet |
| 11:06.19 | xorAxAx | Brumle: doesnt work correctly on the n900 |
| 11:06.21 | Corsac | (and is there a way to show wether encryption is activated and which algorithm is used?) |
| 11:06.22 | tybollt | that is interesting. is the api for taping into the gsm/hsdpa parts of the unit ... opensource? |
| 11:06.24 | xorAxAx | the driver is broken |
| 11:06.30 | xorAxAx | according to #linux-wireless |
| 11:06.46 | Brumle | xorAxAx: oki. thanks |
| 11:06.58 | xorAxAx | tybollt: not directly, no. but there are headers that describe data structures |
| 11:07.07 | xorAxAx | tybollt: its not documented how to use them, though |
| 11:07.31 | tybollt | so left for the REVENG effort |
| 11:07.50 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: you mean cellular? |
| 11:07.55 | xorAxAx | yeah, some reverse engineering will be needed |
| 11:08.08 | xorAxAx | Corsac: there must be a way to show that encryption is used |
| 11:08.15 | xorAxAx | Corsac: if the SIM card does not disable it |
| 11:08.38 | xorAxAx | maybe nokia broke GSM by not considering it. anyway, you cannot easily know |
| 11:08.43 | jafd | Corsac: encryption for Wifi or GSM/HSDPA? |
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| 11:09.04 | xorAxAx | ... because SIM cards usable disable the lock icon |
| 11:09.23 | wazd_n900 | wtf was that |
| 11:09.29 | SpeedEvil | GSM is now - moderraterly - easily crackable. |
| 11:09.48 | jafd | SpeedEvil: yeah, since that guy published a howto |
| 11:09.48 | SpeedEvil | Rainbow tables for the cipher have been published. |
| 11:10.06 | xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: active attacks were always possible, now you can also do passive attacks, yep |
| 11:10.15 | jafd | SpeedEvil: but mind you, evil guys have cracked it long ago, they just didn't tell anyone |
| 11:10.18 | SpeedEvil | I would expect in the next few months someone to pop up with a demo for about $4000 of stuff and a 'how-to' |
| 11:10.46 | Corsac | jafd: GSM/HSDPA |
| 11:10.47 | SpeedEvil | A big computer, software digital radio, a couple of good dish antennas, ... |
| 11:10.58 | jafd | SpeedEvil: I don't think so, to proxy a base station is helluva effort not worth it most of the time |
| 11:11.16 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: well, a demo was programmed at CCC |
| 11:11.22 | SpeedEvil | jafd: AIUI you don't need to proxy the base station, it can be done if you can intercept both sides. |
| 11:11.22 | wazd_n900 | You really think that 20 yo protocol was hacked yesterday?) |
| 11:11.27 | Corsac | but was cancelled because of GSM association |
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| 11:11.49 | Corsac | jafd: imsi catcher aren't hard to do |
| 11:11.49 | SpeedEvil | wazd_n900: the cipher was intentionally weakened back in the day. |
| 11:11.50 | wazd_n900 | even 25 |
| 11:11.51 | Corsac | nor expensive |
| 11:12.15 | Corsac | well, the rainbow table weren't âpubliclyâ available before |
| 11:12.16 | Corsac | now they are |
| 11:12.24 | Corsac | tables* |
| 11:12.30 | jafd | Corsac: I think that there's one algo per GSM and one for HSDPA, more of them would complexify hardware which is complicated anough anyway |
| 11:12.37 | wazd_n900 | I bet it was all cracked long ago |
| 11:12.49 | Corsac | jafd: yes, GSM and UMTS don't use the same algorithm |
| 11:12.50 | SpeedEvil | wazd_n900: well... |
| 11:13.01 | SpeedEvil | wazd_n900: government doesn't need to crack it - pretty much. |
| 11:13.07 | Corsac | GSM usually uses A5/1 (which is weak), UMTS uses KASUMI |
| 11:13.17 | SpeedEvil | wazd_n900: as they can simply oblige the mobile operator to send them the clear version. |
| 11:13.24 | Corsac | there's an A5/3 algorithm based on KASUMI which should be deployed in a not to distant future |
| 11:13.45 | SpeedEvil | wazd_n900: it's only encrypted on the air-side. On the wire-side of the mobile phone network, it's all in the clear. |
| 11:13.45 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: governement doesn't needs that anyway |
| 11:13.52 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: encryption is only in the air |
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| 11:13.53 | Corsac | erf |
| 11:13.54 | Corsac | :) |
| 11:14.16 | jafd | Corsac: so you basically want a D-BUS function which will say true if encryption is used on the channel? |
| 11:14.23 | wazd_n900 | speedevil, they can, but operator will know bout these requests |
| 11:14.33 | Corsac | jafd: not especially a dbus function :) |
| 11:14.47 | Corsac | jafd: just a way to know some GSM/UMTS related informations |
| 11:15.08 | jafd | Corsac: well I don't think Nokia will open source that, but exposing an interface would be good, at least readonly |
| 11:15.10 | xorAxAx | Corsac: thats not true for GPRS |
| 11:15.14 | xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: |
| 11:15.27 | xorAxAx | and likely HSPDA |
| 11:15.29 | Corsac | "thats" being? |
| 11:15.32 | SpeedEvil | wazd_n900: operator can also be compelled not to tell the user though. |
| 11:15.34 | xorAxAx | 12:13:52 < Corsac> SpeedEvil: encryption is only in the air |
| 11:16.10 | Stskeeps | heh, i found that SMS'es were actually not transferred encrypted |
| 11:16.22 | SpeedEvil | The various signal strengths and cell connections and... would be nice. |
| 11:16.25 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: yeah |
| 11:16.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:16.38 | jafd | Corsac: their GSM-interaction software I mean, I don't know yet how it's called |
| 11:16.40 | SpeedEvil | I've wondered for a while about selling a decryptor. |
| 11:16.44 | script_ | dos anyone know if it's the ICd which is responsible for the autoconnect to available wifi/gprs connections? |
| 11:16.51 | SpeedEvil | From a third country :) |
| 11:17.01 | SpeedEvil | It's slightly illegal from the UK |
| 11:17.12 | viggi | slightly |
| 11:17.15 | wazd_n900 | speedevil, so? Operator itself will still know it - that's a potential leak |
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| 11:17.29 | Corsac | Stskeeps: SMS are just control messages on GSM |
| 11:17.43 | wazd_n900 | Speedevil, so it's safer to not let anyone know |
| 11:17.50 | SpeedEvil | wazd_n900: operator knowing that there is a tap isn't useful for 99.999% of people. |
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| 11:18.07 | pupnik | double tap function kez for 'encryprion' :) |
| 11:18.20 | Corsac | xorAxAx: yes, UMTS encrypts further |
| 11:18.26 | gevaerts | wazd_n900: the operator will know that there might be tapping, but not necessarily when and how often it's used |
| 11:20.11 | jafd | Corsac: if you read any Russian, this comrade has a good writeup on economical feasibility and technical complexity of tapping a GSM conversation, here: http://users.livejournal.com/_adept_/95298.html |
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| 11:20.43 | Arkenoi | corsac: iirc rainbow tables were published months ago? |
| 11:21.00 | wazd_n900 | can anyone kick e63 please?) |
| 11:21.19 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: it's more like weeks |
| 11:21.28 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: the project was announced months ago |
| 11:21.46 | Arkenoi | maybe weeks. but not exactly at the time of 3c26 |
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| 11:22.40 | Arkenoi | some project files were removed from the public view, as well as project wiki, that's strange |
| 11:22.50 | anidel | hi |
| 11:22.51 | Arkenoi | but everything is cached and is on torrents |
| 11:22.59 | anidel | anyone installed Jebba's kernel ? |
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| 11:23.37 | Corsac | what does it do? |
| 11:23.44 | jafd | Arkenoi: I don't think it's strange after all |
| 11:23.50 | jafd | Arkenoi: rather, expected |
| 11:23.58 | anidel | Corsac: you asked me? |
| 11:25.04 | anidel | Corsac: if so, then it simply adds a few things I'm interested. But his instructions made me raise an eyebrow (http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel) |
| 11:25.06 | Arkenoi | jaftd: "removing something from the internets" is plain stuid and gsm association is bunch of ignorant assholes |
| 11:26.04 | anidel | Corsac: first he make me install his kernel-modules deb file, than it tells to remove the directory where they would be installed and copy over the original modules .. kind of weird |
| 11:26.05 | tybollt | Arkenoi: most projects that get large enough and money enough often turn retarded and ignorant - unfortunately :( let's hope maemo shall be the exception to that rule ;) |
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| 11:27.02 | SpeedEvil | anidel: I imagine the deb would refuse to install over the 'right' directory as it's not empty |
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| 11:28.00 | anidel | speedevil: well according to his instructions, you first make a copy of the modules (cp -a) then install the deb with dpkg -i then you remove the modules dir and copy over the old dir.. it doesn't make sense |
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| 11:28.04 | jafd | SpeedEvil: well, you can do the routine in a post-install, can't you? |
| 11:28.21 | Arkenoi | i blogged about it today - the whole "electronic frontier" metaphor is flawed with severe vulnerability: every governent-affiliated asshole thinks himself as a "Sheriff who brings Law and Order". Actually assholes are more like rural muslim migrants trying to bring stupid "sharia law" with them. |
| 11:28.23 | SpeedEvil | jafd: probably |
| 11:28.27 | jafd | (Theoretically you can even rm -fR /* from there...) |
| 11:28.29 | anidel | SpeedEvil: simply do not install the .deb file.. I suspect that step is there in case you want to revert back |
| 11:28.54 | anidel | SpeedEvil, but it looks like, the way he says it, you've got to do it.. I won't as I know I don't need it, but I wanted to be sure... |
| 11:29.11 | anidel | jafd, indeed |
| 11:29.12 | Corsac | anidel: that's because the booted kernel and used modules aren't directly those from /lib/modules |
| 11:29.36 | Corsac | anidel: the âflashâ part copy them to the initial used space I guess |
| 11:29.37 | anidel | Corsac, what do you mean? the 'stock' modules are somewhere else? |
| 11:29.54 | Corsac | anidel: I don't exactly know the boot procedure but yes, I'd assume so |
| 11:30.00 | anidel | mmm |
| 11:30.17 | Corsac | anidel: so when you copy the stock module back, it enables you to repare your n900 using the flasher tool |
| 11:30.37 | Corsac | (which will pick the modules from the /lib folder and copy them to the boot partition) |
| 11:31.09 | jafd | What I think is slightly retarted about maemo is that their closed source modules make you essentially unable to recompile a kernel with different options, like adding a new network protocol or a filesystem support |
| 11:31.11 | anidel | I think I know what is happening... probably his modules go to /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1-jebba6 dir |
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| 11:31.24 | anidel | and he wants to be sure the old stock modules are in place and untouched |
| 11:31.27 | RST38h | what is jebba's kernel? |
| 11:31.33 | anidel | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel |
| 11:31.34 | Stskeeps | jafd: there's no closed source modules in n900. |
| 11:31.43 | Stskeeps | +kernel |
| 11:31.49 | jafd | Stskeeps: wait, what about the DSP? |
| 11:31.52 | anidel | he recompiled the stock kernel with few changes in the config and a few more modules |
| 11:32.00 | jafd | Stskeeps: and GPS? and WiFi? |
| 11:32.17 | Stskeeps | jafd: wifi is open, dsp access is open, gps access is in celluar i think |
| 11:32.25 | anidel | and GSM? |
| 11:32.28 | jafd | Stskeeps: GPS != GSM |
| 11:32.31 | Stskeeps | the kernel has no closed source modules. |
| 11:32.39 | jafd | anidel: GSM is a TTY essentially |
| 11:32.54 | anidel | jafd, but there should be a driver to drive the chip |
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| 11:33.06 | jafd | Stskeeps: so we can even try and install full-featured Android there? |
| 11:33.07 | anidel | and that should be a module, shouldn't it ? |
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| 11:33.26 | Stskeeps | jafd: yes, if you want to, but there might be issues with battery charging. |
| 11:33.36 | Stskeeps | which runs in user space |
| 11:33.43 | jafd | anidel: if it's not a softmodem, then you have a firmware which is hardwired in a ROM block |
| 11:33.52 | anidel | jafd, right.. |
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| 11:34.11 | Stskeeps | jafd: either way, kernel is fully open source :P |
| 11:34.16 | jafd | Stskeeps: I remember trying Android on an N810 |
| 11:34.17 | pupnik | are not the debt phones running drmlocked kernels? |
| 11:34.29 | Stskeeps | pupnik: no, you are thinking of m6 |
| 11:34.42 | jafd | Stskeeps: sound, gps and wifi turned it useless... |
| 11:34.45 | anidel | okay installed the modules deb files.. of course that replaced the stock .deb one, so it removed the stock modules |
| 11:34.47 | pupnik | k |
| 11:34.53 | anidel | that's why it asks to put them back via cp |
| 11:34.54 | anidel | cool |
| 11:34.57 | jafd | Stskeeps: Oh, BTW what about DRI + OpenGL ES? |
| 11:34.58 | anidel | makes sense now |
| 11:35.51 | Stskeeps | jafd: DRI is open (but they removed drm-tungsten from kernel), opengl es kernel driver is open but closed source libs are closed. BUT, they are retrievable through nokia-binaries repo |
| 11:36.36 | tybollt | no hope for _open_ driver wrt the graphics AFAIU |
| 11:36.48 | anidel | mmm it needs the fiasco-flasher.. any idea where to get it from? |
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| 11:36.58 | Stskeeps | jafd: same situation as on beagleboard, except you don't have to mail TI :P |
| 11:37.41 | tybollt | Stskeeps: same situation (again AFAIU) as w/ the intel GMA500. |
| 11:37.54 | Stskeeps | powevr |
| 11:37.57 | Stskeeps | powervr |
| 11:38.04 | Stskeeps | the situation is similar everywhere on ARM, so |
| 11:38.42 | zap | Anybody knows if a control panel applet should always call gtk_dialog_run ? |
| 11:38.59 | zap | I want to run a GtkWindow but I can't dialog_run it? |
| 11:39.51 | RST38h | has to be a dialog |
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| 11:39.57 | RST38h | or something derived from a dialog, no? |
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| 11:40.53 | pupnik | the powervr guys seem to have provided new goodies recently |
| 11:40.56 | tybollt | the problem is Imagination Technologies are not opening up doco for the PowerVR chip |
| 11:41.11 | pupnik | check the forums |
| 11:41.31 | tybollt | hence the once including their chips (intel, TI etc) can't provide other than binary drivers |
| 11:41.52 | RST38h | and probably never will |
| 11:42.07 | RST38h | but binary drivers are sufficient |
| 11:42.12 | zap | there are binary drivers like Nvidia's |
| 11:42.14 | zap | which are fine |
| 11:42.18 | zap | and there is crap like ATI's |
| 11:42.26 | zap | and powervr too |
| 11:42.51 | RST38h | Well, short of buying Imagetech there is nothing you can do :) |
| 11:43.02 | tybollt | right |
| 11:43.12 | zap | at least I can avoid buying ATIs, which I always do |
| 11:43.17 | tybollt | well for laptops - you have a choice |
| 11:43.18 | anidel | let's ask Nokia to buy it then :) Brainstorm? :p |
| 11:43.25 | tybollt | for mobile phones - you don't |
| 11:43.44 | RST38h | anidel: sooner or later someone will buy them |
| 11:43.45 | jafd | I would happily go with blobs + open source wrappers around often-changing libraries, like Nvidia does |
| 11:43.59 | zap | N1000 on nvidia Tegra! |
| 11:44.00 | RST38h | anidel: TI, Intel, Freescale, whoever |
| 11:44.16 | RST38h | zap: what CPU does Tegra use? =) |
| 11:44.17 | anidel | RST38h, yeah, that's for sure |
| 11:44.19 | jafd | anidel: I bet that the answer from Nokia will be Ok, you give the money and we buy them. |
| 11:44.27 | zap | RST38h: some arm core afaik |
| 11:44.34 | RST38h | zap: ARM9? :) |
| 11:44.39 | anidel | jafd, I'll start putting a penny a day for them in a jar. |
| 11:44.41 | anidel | :p |
| 11:44.54 | zap | no, arm11 |
| 11:45.04 | RST38h | isn't sure why everybody thinks nokia should buy imagetech |
| 11:45.11 | zap | but I don't care as much as it contains a math co-processor |
| 11:45.13 | RST38h | Nokia is not making its own SoCs |
| 11:45.17 | jafd | anidel: so that our grandgrandchildren will grab the specs for the long long obsolete chips no one remembers about? |
| 11:45.31 | RST38h | zap: slower than cortex though |
| 11:45.50 | RST38h | zap: And I am afraid you can't work off gfx chip alone |
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| 11:45.54 | tybollt | Intel ought to buy imagetech, that way we will probably see open doco atleast for the powervr shitz |
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| 11:46.03 | anidel | jafd, better them than no one :) |
| 11:46.07 | RST38h | zap: BTW, could you optify Midnight Commander package? =) |
| 11:46.21 | zap | RST38h: I don't have a N900 and likely won't |
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| 11:46.29 | RST38h | zap: Oh :( |
| 11:46.40 | jafd | anidel: then make sure your descendants become archaeologists, because no one else is interested in mammoths' crap |
| 11:46.57 | RST38h | tybollt: This way you will probably lose powervr in all ARM-based SoCs |
| 11:47.02 | anidel | RST38h, you're right, we were just making some fun about Nokia buying them to open up their chips ;) |
| 11:47.25 | zap | I'm not to the speed of Nokia, they started offering devices at 10 dec and stopped at 21... was very busy at that time and didnt' observed that... |
| 11:47.31 | anidel | jafd, 80286 chips were used even when P4 chip were around |
| 11:47.41 | tybollt | RST38h: that will sort itself. There will be something else. |
| 11:47.42 | RST38h | zap: long before the 10th |
| 11:47.53 | zap | RST38h: no, look at forums |
| 11:47.59 | RST38h | zap: Have you got enough karma for a ddp device? |
| 11:48.07 | zap | yep, I talk about it |
| 11:48.25 | jafd | anidel: there was a reason: they are cool. In fact, so f*cking cool they never needed a radiator |
| 11:48.33 | RST38h | zap: Then I suggest you ask some reasonable Nokian about converting it into a device =) |
| 11:48.44 | anidel | anyway.. I am stuck now with jebba's kernel and modules but it's not being flashed yet as I miss "fiasco-flasher" from the device.. anyone knows where I can find it? Google doesn't help here |
| 11:49.02 | zap | RST38h: ah you mean developer devices... no, I mean maemo.org devices |
| 11:49.07 | anidel | jafd, ahh those times where you didn't need to cool down a CPU :) |
| 11:49.15 | RST38h | zap: What are these? |
| 11:49.24 | SpeedEvil | zap: there is 'math coprocessor' and there is fast math coprocessor. They a ren't the same thing. It can work out faster in some cases to refactor code for integer even on many devices with fpus. |
| 11:49.25 | RST38h | some other program? |
| 11:49.43 | zap | RST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32951 |
| 11:50.06 | zap | SpeedEvil: even a "non-fast" coprocessor is much faster than NO coprocessor at all |
| 11:50.14 | RST38h | zap: Yea, that is the DDP program |
| 11:50.29 | zap | ah ok than, I haven't succeded to fill the form :) |
| 11:50.36 | RST38h | zap: Has been running since October, devices sent in december |
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| 11:50.42 | jafd | anidel: and they are good at providing hard real time - you knew perfect timing for every instruction. Most industrial things don't need a processor faster than 16 Mhz (especially when ISA bus was 12 Mhz at most) |
| 11:50.50 | RST38h | zap: Have you asked Quim if you still can? |
| 11:50.54 | zap | RST38h: you had to buy the device from 10th to 21th dec |
| 11:51.04 | RST38h | shit :( |
| 11:51.05 | zap | my daughter was at hospital at that time, operated. was busy with it |
| 11:51.15 | RST38h | DDP really screwed it up :( |
| 11:51.28 | zap | hehe, well its my problem |
| 11:51.31 | anidel | jafd, yeah I know that... |
| 11:51.35 | RST38h | not entirely |
| 11:51.57 | anidel | zap: ask Quim, he might be able to sort it out |
| 11:52.35 | wazd_n900 | ponders what's the point of olympic ads |
| 11:53.08 | RST38h | zap: If not Quim, check with tekojo or konttori |
| 11:53.21 | tekojo | huh? |
| 11:53.23 | RST38h | zap: They may know the right corporate buttons to press |
| 11:53.31 | zap | thanks guys, but I don't cry too much anyway about it |
| 11:53.33 | RST38h | tekojo: zap missed DDP's order window |
| 11:53.50 | RST38h | Which was...mhm...11 days :) |
| 11:54.11 | anidel | :) |
| 11:54.30 | tekojo | I can ask around |
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| 11:55.16 | RST38h | zap: Hey, I have a personal interest in you getting the device =) |
| 11:55.24 | RST38h | zap: Who is gonna optify Midnight Commander? |
| 11:55.34 | ccooke | Afternoon, all |
| 11:55.36 | zap | some volunteer? |
| 11:55.48 | Arkenoi | is there a way to renice modest background updates forever? it wakes up and causes movie i watch to jerk. actually there should be a way to provide media player more priority regardless of what else happens |
| 11:56.19 | Arkenoi | i am afraid it requires some kernel tricks as there is io involved as well |
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| 11:56.32 | Yoe | hi -- I'm trying to set up the maemo5 SDK on my system |
| 11:56.36 | ccooke | resigned himself to the inevitable and bought a replacement n900 last night. |
| 11:56.44 | RST38h | Arkenoi: for scheduling tricks,you probably know whom to contact |
| 11:56.49 | Yoe | it's a 64bit debian system, so I built me a 32bit lenny chroot in which I'm trying to install stuff |
| 11:57.08 | RST38h | Arkenoi: For killing modest daemon, I would simply disable it in /etc/rc* |
| 11:58.29 | Yoe | running maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh worked without issue, but maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh fails like so: http://paste.debian.net/55762/ |
| 11:58.35 | Yoe | any ideas what's wrong? |
| 11:58.39 | tekojo | RST38h |
| 11:58.46 | tekojo | damn enter |
| 11:58.59 | RST38h | Return or KP_Enter? =) |
| 11:59.06 | anidel | tekojo, you've got an enter that auto-presses itself? :) |
| 11:59.19 | anidel | ehehe easy to blame a button :p |
| 11:59.26 | tekojo | anidel, yes destroyed three mail and now this too :-) |
| 11:59.35 | jafd | Yoe: are you sure you don't run any Scratchboxes? |
| 11:59.46 | anidel | tekojo, change keyboard then :D |
| 11:59.50 | Yoe | jafd: yeah, I just set it up five minutes ago |
| 11:59.53 | jafd | Yoe: I mean so sure you can bet your life on it? |
| 12:00.16 | Yoe | jafd: unless the maemo-scratchbox-install script starts a scratchbox in any way, yes |
| 12:00.19 | tekojo | anidel, not until this laptop breaks |
| 12:00.20 | zap | Also, anybody knows if it's possible to add new applet categories to Control Panel? And where I can see a complete list of categories? |
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| 12:00.35 | Arkenoi | rst38h: btw does maemo kernel use stock scheduler? wouldn't bfs be better? |
| 12:00.42 | Yoe | jafd: how can I check? |
| 12:01.01 | jafd | Yoe: ps(1) is your friend |
| 12:01.42 | anidel | hopes the snow fall in London will continue and increase, so that he can leave the office earlier today |
| 12:01.45 | Yoe | oh, that way |
| 12:01.49 | Yoe | yes, well, okay |
| 12:02.01 | jafd | I don't know, some stray process from the sandbox left over |
| 12:02.06 | Yoe | no, not running anything |
| 12:02.12 | Yoe | I'd have been surprised |
| 12:02.25 | gevaerts | anidel: and spend the supposed extra time actually trying to get home? ;) |
| 12:02.51 | Yoe | what I did is set up a 32bit chroot, run the scratchbox install script there as root, run it again with '-u wouter', then 'su - wouter', and run the sdk install script |
| 12:02.55 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Probably a stock one, but again you should ask abbra |
| 12:02.56 | Yoe | no other steps |
| 12:03.02 | anidel | gevaerts, :D better than being stuck here the whole night :p |
| 12:03.04 | jafd | Yoe: then must be broken binutils or libc... looks like that |
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| 12:03.25 | Yoe | darn |
| 12:03.25 | lardman | morning |
| 12:03.27 | RST38h | lardman moo |
| 12:03.29 | anidel | hey lard, morning |
| 12:03.30 | Yoe | oh well, will look into that later |
| 12:03.38 | Arkenoi | set sr_vddX_autocomp to 1 this morning, will see if it's ok |
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| 12:03.54 | jafd | Yoe: or things like 64-bit ld.so trying to bite a 32-bit executable, or vice versa |
| 12:04.02 | RST38h | Arkenoi: living dangerously? =) |
| 12:04.10 | wazd_n900 | Wooo, I'm going home! |
| 12:04.12 | lardman | hi RST38h anidel |
| 12:04.17 | wazd_n900 | Thank god |
| 12:04.23 | jafd | never quite get the idea of x86_64 in 64 bit, causes more problems than solves |
| 12:04.26 | anidel | wazd_n900, you're welcome |
| 12:04.34 | SpeedEvil | zap: in some instances. Integer can be faster than slow fpus. |
| 12:04.54 | Arkenoi | RST38h, people rarely report any porblems with it |
| 12:04.54 | RST38h | zap: SpeedEvil is essentially correct |
| 12:04.58 | wazd_n900 | Anidel, aha, now we know who trolls at tmo)) |
| 12:05.07 | zap | SpeedEvil: in some instances you just have a hell lot of code which uses floating point (e.g. vorbis) |
| 12:05.07 | anidel | wazd_n900, ahahaha damn! |
| 12:05.11 | RST38h | zap: As to ARM's FPUs, it goes like this |
| 12:05.41 | SpeedEvil | zap: I have had mp3 playing on a arm at _60_ MHz - with no FPU |
| 12:05.41 | RST38h | zap: In CortexA8, they replaced VFP with the new FPU/MMX unit called NEON |
| 12:05.55 | zap | also, if you're going to compute a square root, for example, or a natural logarithm, even a slower FPU is faster than any fixed-point code |
| 12:05.58 | RST38h | zap: Cortex *still* has the VFP, for compatibility, but a pretty slow one |
| 12:06.00 | SpeedEvil | zap: with an integer mp3 library |
| 12:06.11 | RST38h | zap: square root? table lookup. |
| 12:06.20 | zap | kidding? |
| 12:06.22 | SpeedEvil | zap: this is _lots_ faster than the mp3 library used onthe n900 |
| 12:06.33 | jafd | SpeedEvil: are you sure there's no DSP? |
| 12:06.35 | RST38h | zap: It is also necessary to mention that NEON sits at the end of a 13-stage pipeline |
| 12:06.59 | zap | you don't get the point, oh well... |
| 12:07.03 | SpeedEvil | jafd: not on the one in question - s3c2410 - openmoko neo1973. No DSP, no FPU |
| 12:07.03 | RST38h | zap: So, if you are writing NEON code, it better come in nice long chunks that are not causing stalls |
| 12:07.17 | RST38h | zap: So, what is the point? |
| 12:07.31 | RST38h | zap: What exact task are you doing with the FPU? |
| 12:07.36 | zap | the point is compatibility with existing code which I'm not going to rewrite all from scratch |
| 12:07.43 | RST38h | Oh |
| 12:07.55 | zap | libx264, libvorbis, for example |
| 12:07.58 | SpeedEvil | Compatability also comes easily from software emulation of various sorts. |
| 12:08.07 | SpeedEvil | performance is a whole different issue. |
| 12:08.08 | jafd | remembers MP3s on a 66 Mhz 80486 -- they played realtime only when they were joint-stereo 22500 Hz |
| 12:08.09 | RST38h | zap: Isn't there integer version of libvorbis though? |
| 12:08.17 | zap | tremor is buggy |
| 12:08.22 | gevaerts | SpeedEvil: 60MHz for mp3? That's a lot... |
| 12:08.24 | RST38h | ok |
| 12:08.31 | SpeedEvil | err - on reflection - it was 100MHz - not 66 - but the point stands. |
| 12:08.34 | RST38h | zap: Well, VFP is still present in Cortex |
| 12:08.39 | RST38h | zap: Just slow, I am afraid |
| 12:08.41 | Yoe | jafd: no, it does not cause more problems than it solves. People living in the past does |
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| 12:08.52 | lardman | I'd use Tremor myself |
| 12:09.01 | zap | RST38h: so cortex has two FPUs? |
| 12:09.05 | RST38h | zap: Yep |
| 12:09.05 | Yoe | jafd: I mean, 64bit processors have existed for what, six years now? |
| 12:09.06 | lardman | iirc we did a performance comparison a while back |
| 12:09.10 | zap | %-O what a waste |
| 12:09.15 | SpeedEvil | Embedded processors are not desktop ones. |
| 12:09.17 | Yoe | if you're still using a 32bit-only processor for development, you're silly |
| 12:09.17 | jafd | Yoe: it will be a huge problems while those people are the majority |
| 12:09.18 | RST38h | zap: Not really, this crap is cheap |
| 12:09.34 | RST38h | zap: Chip designers really think diferently from us programmers |
| 12:09.38 | zap | its just like 5 millions transistors instead of 4? |
| 12:09.38 | SpeedEvil | Yes, they may have moderately fast cores, but if you don't optimise just right, the performance goes to shit. |
| 12:09.45 | jafd | Yoe: I have an Atom while on the go. No choice but it's flawless |
| 12:09.46 | RST38h | zap: they do not give a fuck |
| 12:10.07 | RST38h | zap: The only thing they care about is the die area per chip |
| 12:10.17 | Yoe | jafd: I'm not saying one should only use 32bit processors; but if you're doing development in 32bit mode, you're just being silly |
| 12:10.20 | SpeedEvil | Desktop cores have maybe 2-10* more transistors - just to get the performance up. |
| 12:10.22 | RST38h | zap: Because this detemines the output |
| 12:10.28 | Yoe | jafd: oh well, I'll eventually get it working, I'm sure. |
| 12:10.39 | zap | RST38h: so well, more transistors -> larger area, isn't it so? |
| 12:10.42 | RST38h | zap: As to zillions of transistors, they do not give a damn as these are all created at the same time anyway |
| 12:10.46 | SpeedEvil | zap: yes. |
| 12:10.46 | RST38h | zap: More or less, yes |
| 12:10.50 | SpeedEvil | zap: and area = cost |
| 12:10.57 | SpeedEvil | zap: pretty much linearly. |
| 12:11.05 | RST38h | zap: But look at every modern SoC and you will easily see what is eating the area |
| 12:11.07 | lardman | area also has power consumption links too |
| 12:11.08 | jafd | Yoe: I have a C2Q at home, but it eats gobs of electricity, no way until I relocate :-) |
| 12:11.15 | RST38h | zap: Hint: it is NOT the VFP(s) |
| 12:11.20 | Yoe | oh, sure |
| 12:11.21 | SpeedEvil | zap: so if you can knock 20% of the transistors out, and you can save power, and sell it 20% cheaper |
| 12:11.26 | zap | so if they put both FPUs in, its because they evaluated the compatibility benefits to be higher than the cost of extra die area |
| 12:11.44 | RST38h | zap: Again, FPUs are tiny in comparison with one other component |
| 12:11.47 | zap | yes, most area is occupied by flash memory |
| 12:11.50 | lardman | zap: are you sure it's actually two coprocessors? |
| 12:11.50 | RST38h | zap: No |
| 12:11.52 | Yoe | point being, I find it odd that Nokia chooses to ignore the most performant platform on the market today for their development environment |
| 12:11.55 | RST38h | zap: Flash is external to the SoC |
| 12:11.58 | zap | lardman: thats how RST38h told me |
| 12:11.59 | RST38h | lardman: Yes. |
| 12:12.02 | Yoe | but maybe that's just me |
| 12:12.05 | RST38h | lardman: I studied the Cortex. |
| 12:12.07 | lardman | ok |
| 12:12.26 | RST38h | zap: Should I give you the answer and spoil the game? ;) |
| 12:12.46 | zap | Yoe: whats the most performant platform for mobile devices today? |
| 12:12.47 | gevaerts | Yoe: I don't think they do. I suspect that they just haven't really updated it since the early maemo days |
| 12:12.49 | RST38h | Yoe: what platform? |
| 12:13.04 | Yoe | RST38h: eh, x86-64? |
| 12:13.08 | zap | gggg |
| 12:13.20 | Yoe | zap: I said "for development", not "for mobile" |
| 12:13.25 | Yoe | in that, they made the right choice |
| 12:13.30 | RST38h | Yoe: Joking? |
| 12:13.30 | zap | ah ok, missed that :) |
| 12:13.37 | RST38h | zap: cache. |
| 12:13.48 | zap | Yoe: you mean that the sdk doesn't run on x86_64? |
| 12:14.07 | Yoe | zap: I'm trying to set it up, and it's causing me massive issues |
| 12:14.07 | Yoe | it assumes a 32bit environment |
| 12:14.12 | RST38h | zap: You want to see chip designer squirm, mention that you want lots of cache to him and see him squirm ;) |
| 12:14.17 | Yoe | and I'm *not* going to reinstall my laptop just so I can do the scratchbox dance |
| 12:14.28 | zap | Yoe: I run it in a qemu-kvm box, you might want to try |
| 12:14.36 | gevaerts | Yoe: I installed it on my 64 bit setup by following the wiki instructions |
| 12:14.36 | pupnik | timewaste imo. vm sdk image makes your work portable |
| 12:14.49 | zap | there are massive benefits of running it in a virtual machine |
| 12:14.55 | RST38h | like? |
| 12:14.59 | Yoe | my laptop doesn't have hardware vm support, and running it in qemu is too slow for comfortable environments |
| 12:15.06 | zap | a) portability b) compatibility |
| 12:15.08 | pupnik | reverting screwups |
| 12:15.22 | Yoe | gevaerts: what wiki instructions? |
| 12:15.28 | zap | Yoe: kidding? x86_64 no kvm support? |
| 12:15.34 | gevaerts | tries to find them again |
| 12:15.48 | Yoe | zap: model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5870 @ 2.00GHz |
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| 12:15.58 | zap | Yoe: it has kvm support |
| 12:16.12 | gevaerts | Yoe: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installation_of_x86-64_Debian_based_distributions I think |
| 12:16.14 | Yoe | no, it does not |
| 12:16.15 | zap | or did intel release a newer core2 without??? |
| 12:16.19 | zap | what a crap |
| 12:16.20 | Yoe | yup |
| 12:16.28 | Yoe | I only noticed after I bought my laptop, of course |
| 12:16.34 | zap | :) |
| 12:16.40 | Yoe | http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37034 |
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| 12:17.00 | Yoe | "Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x): No" |
| 12:17.06 | zap | good you said that, was going to buy a laptop sooner or later |
| 12:17.53 | Yoe | it's pretty good other than that, just the lack of virtualisation bit sucks my pants off |
| 12:18.22 | zap | well I'm so used to virtualization now that I would feel like one big step back |
| 12:19.47 | zap | I'd rather use a normal cross-compiling environment though... |
| 12:19.54 | VDVsx | moos at RST38h |
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| 12:22.40 | RST38h | Yoe: Just install a proper 32bit OS and use it |
| 12:22.55 | RST38h | (what are people installing those 64bit builds for anyway?) |
| 12:23.36 | lardman | so they have troubles with sb and with flash plugins |
| 12:23.39 | gevaerts | RST38h: address space? Some things just don't work properly with only 32 bis |
| 12:23.42 | lardman | the latter is a good idea imho |
| 12:23.51 | RST38h | gevaerts: WHAT things? |
| 12:24.03 | hrw | morning |
| 12:24.04 | gevaerts | RST38h: graphviz on big data sets for one :) |
| 12:24.08 | lardman | RST38h: MATLAB can access more memory under a 64bit OS |
| 12:24.12 | RST38h | I mean, what household computer application requires 64bit ? |
| 12:24.17 | lardman | MATLAB |
| 12:24.20 | lardman | obviously ;) |
| 12:24.30 | RST38h | lardman: Of course. But it is scientific stuff, you do it at lab machines |
| 12:24.33 | lardman | morning hrw |
| 12:24.53 | lardman | RST38h: no at home most of the time, but yeah I get your point |
| 12:25.04 | gevaerts | RST38h: I only have one laptop :) |
| 12:25.06 | RST38h | lardman: What would make you install a 64bit OS at home, given that it is usually slower than the 32bit one? |
| 12:25.14 | X-Fade | Our 32GB ram servers run fine on 32bit, though there may be a performance drop due to translatoin. |
| 12:25.17 | hrw | who wants to infect system with crappybox? install sbox in VM |
| 12:25.48 | derf | RST38h: Huh? |
| 12:26.08 | derf | The extra registers alone nearly double the performance of the stuff I care about. |
| 12:26.11 | RST38h | derf: See size of 64bit x86 code vs 32bit code |
| 12:26.32 | RST38h | derf: add to that the fact that you are moving twice more data to/from memory |
| 12:26.56 | hrw | RST38h: show me benchmarks not blahblahblah |
| 12:26.57 | derf | Most people don't bulk transfer pointers. |
| 12:26.59 | lardman | I do see RST38h's point about a "home machine" rather than one doing analysis or coming anywhere near its performance limits |
| 12:26.59 | RST38h | derf: And yes, it is nice to have a few extra registers in that x85 crankbox, but... |
| 12:27.02 | tybollt | X-Fade: then you are effectively using PAE meaning any app will only ever be able to address 4GB at a time. |
| 12:27.09 | hrw | I am tired of reading '64bit are slower, use 32bit' |
| 12:27.18 | X-Fade | tybollt: Yeah, which is fine for us. |
| 12:27.38 | derf | A bus transaction costs the same, whether you use 8 bytes out of the cache line or 4. |
| 12:28.27 | Arkenoi | intel's adoption of x86-64 proved they have no balls either |
| 12:28.30 | derf | Yes, I'm sure it makes "business logic" code, e.g., lots of pointers and conditionals and nothing doing any actual work, somewhat slower. |
| 12:28.41 | derf | But no one cares how fast any of that is anyway. |
| 12:28.46 | RST38h | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=2 |
| 12:29.07 | RST38h | Arkenoi: You would like to have two different 64bit instruction sets instead? |
| 12:29.50 | Arkenoi | rst38h: yes. and i am pretty sure x86-64 would die off as intel refuses to support it |
| 12:30.11 | RST38h | Arkenoi: What exactly do you have against that instruction set? |
| 12:30.17 | jafd | Arkenoi: and what will we have instead? Itaniums? They're dead. |
| 12:30.31 | RST38h | Arkenoi: It is not the worst one, as x86 instruction sets come |
| 12:30.33 | Arkenoi | i am not against 64bit, i am against maintaining x86 compatibility |
| 12:30.33 | hrw | "Looking over the results 64-bit Ubuntu was able to provide a strong advantage in the GCC benchmarks with both LAME and the Linux 2.6.19 kernel compilation. However, a slight advantage had remained with both Unreal Tournament 2004 and the LAME encoding tests in a 32-bit environment. " |
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| 12:30.59 | Arkenoi | jafd: actually more alive than sparcs ;-) |
| 12:30.59 | RST38h | Arkenoi: And you should also know how attempts to break x86 compatibility end |
| 12:31.04 | hrw | Arkenoi: buy ppc then? |
| 12:31.06 | jafd | But I'm all for a completely different, 64-bit instruction set, all RISC, clean, lean, predictable and yummy all otherwise. |
| 12:31.17 | RST38h | hrw: I have not seen anything strong in thise results |
| 12:31.24 | hrw | jafd: sparc64? mips64? ppc64? |
| 12:31.27 | jafd | Arkenoi: sparcs are alive and kicking AFAIR |
| 12:31.37 | hrw | RST38h: neither do I |
| 12:31.44 | RST38h | jafd: Just got sold to Oracle. |
| 12:31.44 | Arkenoi | hrw: ppc is power's little brother.. |
| 12:32.01 | jafd | RST38h: and you think Oracle will let'em die? I don't think so. |
| 12:32.05 | Arkenoi | jafd: and there are more itanics sold than sparcs in 2009, don't you know? |
| 12:32.19 | tybollt | the power is not a consumer chip |
| 12:32.41 | hrw | tybollt: customers use x86(-64) basically |
| 12:32.48 | SpeedEvil | RISC isn't where it's at. |
| 12:32.49 | tybollt | cactly |
| 12:32.51 | tybollt | will |
| 12:32.52 | tybollt | well |
| 12:33.04 | SpeedEvil | RISC - with 64 bits - ... |
| 12:33.05 | tybollt | there's lots of mips and ppc in embededdevices out there |
| 12:33.25 | SpeedEvil | RISC had a lot of point back when RAM was lots faster than CPU. That hasn't been true for a couple of decades. |
| 12:33.47 | RST38h | Speed: You mean MIPS |
| 12:33.54 | Arkenoi | intanic is great architecture. it has major drawbacks: it is expensive (i agree), it is not really supported by gcc (i do not give a flying fsck) and it is not x86 compatible (and it is good) |
| 12:33.55 | SpeedEvil | no - RISC |
| 12:33.57 | RST38h | Speed: If you mean MIPS, I agree |
| 12:34.10 | jafd | SpeedEvil: why not? RISC CPUs usually have loads of registers which makes quite a point |
| 12:34.20 | SpeedEvil | RISC got a lot less relevant when RAM slowed down - and cache footprint became more important globally |
| 12:34.21 | tybollt | huh |
| 12:34.22 | Arkenoi | it is expensive just because there is cheap x86-64 |
| 12:34.26 | RST38h | Speed: Because modern RISC chips do avoid the fat code problem |
| 12:34.26 | tybollt | there no gcc for itanium? |
| 12:34.32 | tybollt | well that is just outright funny :) |
| 12:34.32 | Arkenoi | if it was not, we'd see cheap itanics |
| 12:34.39 | Arkenoi | tybollt, there is |
| 12:34.43 | Arkenoi | but it does not qualify |
| 12:34.45 | hrw | back to subject: still no PR 1.1 news? |
| 12:34.51 | RST38h | hrw: Nope |
| 12:34.59 | tybollt | Arkenoi: how does it not qualify |
| 12:35.00 | hrw | ~curse nokia |
| 12:35.01 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia ! |
| 12:35.07 | jafd | Arkenoi: in fact, IA64 is a lot closer to RISC and sports similar features like predictable timing and fixed instruction size |
| 12:35.08 | RST38h | Oh |
| 12:35.11 | Arkenoi | EPIC requires compiler to be *very* smart, you cannot just put "generic code generator" there |
| 12:35.19 | hrw | I wonder when I will write nokia using capital 'n'... |
| 12:35.20 | RST38h | hrw: I hope those are Symbian-related regions |
| 12:35.34 | hrw | -> coffee |
| 12:35.40 | Arkenoi | so gcc has 1.5-2 *times* performance degradation against hp/intel cc |
| 12:35.43 | gevaerts | now has a 10GB /home :) |
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| 12:35.49 | hrw | RST38h: they are. nokia rather not care about maemo too much |
| 12:35.54 | hrw | bb in half hour |
| 12:35.56 | tybollt | gevaerts: how? |
| 12:36.09 | SpeedEvil | *coffee = &speedevil. |
| 12:36.20 | gevaerts | tybollt: lots of sfdisk and tar use, plus some reboots |
| 12:36.48 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Your chair is turning into coffee? |
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| 12:37.32 | jafd | I still think RISC will win even with RAM slower than CPU, CISC was relevant back in the day when people, not compilers, were doing assembly. |
| 12:38.17 | Arkenoi | even for Alpha you could do assembly by hand, for Itanic no human can ;-) |
| 12:38.18 | jafd | Pruning a useless abstraction level is a good thing, especially if it's as hairy and stinking as X86 instruction set is. |
| 12:38.30 | gevaerts | first make a backup of MyDocs (over USB in my case), unmount it, nuke its partition and recreate it smaller, reboot (to force rereading the partition table), format, restore backup. Then create a new ext3 partition in the now free space, reboot and format, copy /home to it (I used tar), then using sfdisk -d + sfdisk swap the partition numbers so the new partition is now 2, reboot again |
| 12:39.14 | lardman | with RISC you need a higher clock speed to perform the same amount of work do you not? |
| 12:39.21 | lardman | i.e. more instructions |
| 12:39.30 | gevaerts | Now the system is running with your new partition, so delete the old /home partition, use sfdisk again to make the new partition use all the space, reboot again, and then resize2fs to make the filesystem use the entire partition |
| 12:39.48 | lardman | which might well be a limiting factor now that clock speeds are plateauing (for e.g. the home market) |
| 12:39.52 | jafd | lardman: or you can have multiple cores, pipelines and similar parallelizing stuff. |
| 12:39.59 | derf | lardman: Not really. |
| 12:40.09 | SpeedEvil | jafd: that doesn't work so well |
| 12:40.11 | derf | CISC doesn't guarantee its complex instructions execute in one clock. |
| 12:40.18 | lardman | ah ok |
| 12:40.21 | SpeedEvil | jafd: as that means more memory pressure |
| 12:40.24 | gevaerts | suspects that providing really detailed instructions for this might actually be dangerous. If you don't know what you're doing, something *will* go wrong |
| 12:40.31 | lardman | derf: and in practice? |
| 12:40.32 | jafd | X86 chips have that since Pentium Pro |
| 12:40.41 | jafd | if you ever noticed it... |
| 12:40.53 | derf | lardman: In practice anything even remotely difficult takes lots of clocks. |
| 12:41.11 | lardman | so CISC is then faster than RISC for a given clock speed? |
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| 12:41.21 | X-Fade | gevaerts: At least you can flash the emmc separately ;) |
| 12:41.28 | SpeedEvil | lardman: It depends. Classical RISC - sure. |
| 12:41.30 | derf | Modern CISC CPUs just have a translation from the CISC instructions in RAM to a RISC instruction set used internally. |
| 12:41.43 | SpeedEvil | lardman: however - the boundaries have gotten very blurred. |
| 12:41.45 | jafd | SpeedEvil: memory pressure can be reduced if you have 512-1024 general purpose registers, not the hamster turd X86 offers you |
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| 12:41.54 | ben__ | hi all |
| 12:41.54 | lardman | fair enough |
| 12:42.00 | derf | Anything that doesn't translate into one RISC instruction is usually really slow. |
| 12:42.07 | SpeedEvil | jafd: cache footprint is still vastly more important - 1k is nothing |
| 12:42.14 | gevaerts | X-Fade: well yes, anything is fixable :) |
| 12:42.15 | RST38h | derf: Ok |
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| 12:42.39 | lcuk2 | lardman, depends on the operation |
| 12:42.43 | ben__ | someone here who is willing to helb me mounting to my nfs server? |
| 12:42.44 | jafd | SpeedEvil: what prevents from having that 1M L1 cache in addition of 1024 GPRs on a RISC? |
| 12:42.47 | RST38h | derf: You do understand that all CISC chips are different and even inside x86 all instructions can be divided into a few classes? |
| 12:42.54 | lcuk2 | if its a multistep operation, then yeah cisc having specific pathways optimized for that op may end up better than the granular blocks of risc |
| 12:42.56 | derf | RST38h: Yes. |
| 12:43.19 | RST38h | derf: So this "everything that does not translate" stuff is really too generalized to be true |
| 12:43.23 | ben__ | derf.... answer for me? |
| 12:43.33 | derf | ben__: No. |
| 12:43.50 | ben__ | oh sorry... not for me |
| 12:43.52 | ben__ | ^^ |
| 12:44.30 | hrw | gevaerts: or just do all that in one run with parted? |
| 12:44.49 | derf | lcuk2: The problem is that multistep operations also usually have more dependencies and other complications, which make them hard to schedule in a super-scalar CPU. |
| 12:45.03 | SpeedEvil | jafd: area - at least for a mobile. |
| 12:45.12 | hrw | gevaerts: umount MyDocs and /home, run parted, resize MyDocs, resize /home, quit parted, reread partition table if needed |
| 12:45.33 | gevaerts | hrw: is parted actually available? Also, unmounting /home isn't that straightforward |
| 12:45.51 | ben__ | im a bit angry to myself.... i forgot all about linux |
| 12:45.52 | gevaerts | didn't feel like building parted |
| 12:46.03 | hrw | gevaerts: I am able to build normal apps for own use |
| 12:46.12 | hrw | 'bitbake parted' is not so hard |
| 12:46.17 | lardman | ben__: there should be docs online I guess |
| 12:46.24 | lardman | ben__: I know nothing about nfs |
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| 12:46.45 | derf | lcuk2: But this kind of thing can be subtle. For example, you will almost never see an INC instruction generated by a modern x86 compiler. |
| 12:46.55 | jafd | SpeedEvil: well, given that you don't need to support all those legacy layers going back to a 8086 and real mode, and all the instruction set of X86+X86-64, you can win some square micrometers |
| 12:46.56 | gevaerts | hrw: I'm not near my scratchbox environment, and building it on the device didn't work due to it needing a full grep |
| 12:47.03 | derf | It's not just because it does a read, modify, and write operation all in one instruction. |
| 12:47.17 | derf | It's because it doesn't modify one of the flag bits. |
| 12:47.18 | gevaerts | anyway, yes, parted would have helped a lot |
| 12:47.43 | derf | Which means the CPU can't execute it out of order very well. |
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| 12:49.11 | RST38h | carefully thinks what he has to say to avoid problems |
| 12:49.50 | RST38h | derf: Different Intel CPUs will deal with this differently |
| 12:50.05 | RST38h | derf: It is quite possible that some will reorder INC as well |
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| 12:50.14 | lcuk2 | pile on the cache |
| 12:50.22 | derf | RST38h: Sure. It depends on where you want to spend your silicon. |
| 12:50.33 | lcuk2 | derf rmw cycle is the bane of many peoples lives |
| 12:50.50 | Arkenoi | what is the command line to open certail url with web browser? |
| 12:50.55 | frals | curses python-hildon and banners showing up in the wrong order |
| 12:51.04 | RST38h | ? |
| 12:51.09 | Guest41644 | ?? |
| 12:51.20 | lcuk2 | ??? |
| 12:51.26 | frals | ???? |
| 12:51.35 | TomaszD | ????? |
| 12:51.42 | Guest41644 | :-) |
| 12:51.47 | jafd | !!!!!!! # Combo breaker |
| 12:51.52 | pupnik | lol |
| 12:51.53 | RST38h | derf: Again, it is all kinda academic when you compare the size of this circuitry with the size of cache |
| 12:51.55 | frals | goes back to reading something that does make sense, HELLO WSP specs! |
| 12:52.24 | SpeedEvil | jafd: yes - redesigning the instruction set can have major benefits. I'd question calling the general result 'risc'. |
| 12:52.31 | derf | RST38h: Well, from Intel's point of view, it's not just the size. It's also the testing and verification. |
| 12:52.43 | derf | Cache is modular and easy to test. |
| 12:52.54 | derf | Complex reordering circuitry is not. |
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| 12:53.16 | SpeedEvil | you can easily test specific usecases of reordering circuitry. |
| 12:53.20 | SpeedEvil | That's trivial. |
| 12:53.23 | derf | I have a friend at Intel whose entire team works on writing test and verification code to test and verify other people's test and verification code. |
| 12:53.28 | SpeedEvil | Running windows for a couple of weeks isn't. |
| 12:54.10 | cehteh | mhm how big is the cache of the arm cpu in the n900 .. what kind of cache architecture has it anyways? |
| 12:54.36 | SpeedEvil | hmm - /proc/cpuinfo doesn't say |
| 12:54.37 | AWBEN | can someone help me, to mount my nfs server? |
| 12:54.37 | jafd | SpeedEvil: call it load-store architecture... |
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| 12:55.47 | cehteh | made a memory pool which is very cache optimized, apps using it run up to 40% faster than when using malloc just because the better cache locality |
| 12:56.00 | jafd | AWBEN: I think today's logs have it explained, there's kinda no way to do it now. |
| 12:56.00 | AWBEN | noone? |
| 12:56.18 | cehteh | the pool itself is still unoptimized and allocations/frees are about halg as fast as malloc/free |
| 12:56.31 | AWBEN | :-( |
| 12:56.35 | cehteh | AWBEN: there are plenty nfs howtos on the net |
| 12:56.52 | cehteh | while i am usuall just use sshfs unless i have performance demands |
| 12:57.02 | jafd | mount -t nfs server:/path/to/fs /local/mountpoint |
| 12:57.16 | AWBEN | i read some.... not able to create /mnt/nfs |
| 12:57.21 | jafd | if it doesn't work, you're, like, screwed |
| 12:57.28 | cehteh | mkdir /mnt/nfs |
| 12:57.35 | AWBEN | permission denied |
| 12:57.41 | cehteh | you need to be root |
| 12:57.46 | jafd | AWBEN: then go read some man sudo |
| 12:57.54 | Hukka | bilboed-pi: hi again |
| 12:58.13 | cehteh | i really recommend sshfs when you just want to have some simple secure file share |
| 12:58.17 | AWBEN | <--- linux noob |
| 12:58.19 | jafd | AWBEN: and gainroot, if you're on a tablet, or simply su when on a desktop machine |
| 12:58.27 | Hukka | bilboed-pi: I managed to get gst and qt work together |
| 12:58.27 | cehteh | (while fuse also needs some root treatment) |
| 12:58.28 | jafd | AWBEN: you're screwed |
| 12:58.34 | AWBEN | ^^ |
| 12:58.44 | cehteh | hehe |
| 12:58.44 | jafd | AWBEN: I'm sorry but you really are |
| 12:58.44 | Hukka | bilboed-pi: but pygst doesn't work |
| 12:58.57 | cehteh | AWBEN: for what do you need nfs? |
| 12:58.57 | Arkenoi | so..? no one knows the answer? browser <url> does not seem to work |
| 12:59.19 | jafd | We're not going to recite each and every bit that tldp.org took years to generate and aggregate |
| 12:59.40 | AWBEN | i use a linux box with a nfs fileserver |
| 12:59.53 | AWBEN | i installed a samba and a nfs server |
| 12:59.57 | AWBEN | they work |
| 13:00.06 | AWBEN | now i try to get the connection |
| 13:00.20 | cehteh | then google for nfs howto |
| 13:00.24 | tybollt | as was just covered here - nfs is not compiled into the kernel running on your n900 |
| 13:00.25 | AWBEN | i can connect with mc |
| 13:00.27 | jafd | AWBEN: how do you know they work if you don't know how to become a root? |
| 13:00.30 | AWBEN | and the ip |
| 13:00.34 | cehteh | and better try with a desktop machine than the n900 at first |
| 13:00.40 | AWBEN | i have some other devices |
| 13:00.43 | AWBEN | it works |
| 13:00.47 | cehteh | ok |
| 13:00.51 | AWBEN | but there i have root rights |
| 13:00.54 | AWBEN | :-) |
| 13:01.04 | cehteh | on the n900 you can gain root too |
| 13:01.13 | yuizy | is it possible to create qt desktop widgets |
| 13:01.16 | jafd | AWBEN: then google how to become root on N900 |
| 13:01.18 | AWBEN | yeah... but my english is not the best |
| 13:01.23 | AWBEN | u saw it :-) |
| 13:01.25 | tybollt | AWBEN: your device needs to support nfs - what is n900 doesn't? |
| 13:01.36 | tybollt | what if* |
| 13:01.42 | AWBEN | n900 supports nfs |
| 13:01.49 | tybollt | it does? |
| 13:01.49 | AWBEN | i read it |
| 13:01.53 | AWBEN | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.59 | cehteh | no nfs on the n900? i didnt even try |
| 13:02.33 | AWBEN | tybollt... very funny |
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| 13:02.42 | jafd | I think SSHFS is god, you cannot get a GigE on a N900 anyway. |
| 13:02.45 | AWBEN | i m a linux noob... not a computer noob |
| 13:03.02 | jafd | AWBEN: then become a Linux-not-noob |
| 13:03.12 | jafd | AWBEN: that's not that hard |
| 13:03.13 | AWBEN | i try...but it is hard |
| 13:03.32 | AWBEN | years of M$.... |
| 13:03.38 | jafd | AWBEN: it's hard when you're trying to compensate at our expense |
| 13:04.25 | AWBEN | oh man... i asked a question in hope of answers... |
| 13:04.32 | jafd | Linux-n00bness is cured somewhere on #linux-help |
| 13:04.40 | AWBEN | i know, that u knew much more then me... so where is the problem |
| 13:04.46 | jafd | AWBEN: the answer was there, plain and simple |
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| 13:04.57 | cehteh | nfs can be pita |
| 13:05.02 | jafd | AWBEN: the kernel on a N900 has NO NFS SUPPORT |
| 13:05.03 | AWBEN | plain and simplke for them who used it sometimes |
| 13:05.14 | AWBEN | for me it is the first time without gui |
| 13:05.41 | jafd | AWBEN: and unless you have a 100 Mbps connection, 100% reliable, on ALL your endpoints, it's not worth it |
| 13:05.45 | tybollt | AWBEN: what part of "N900 has NO NFS SUPPORT" do you not understand? |
| 13:06.01 | pupnik | correct jafd |
| 13:06.09 | cehteh | hey but you can rebuild your own kernel :) |
| 13:06.14 | pupnik | 1980s tech |
| 13:06.19 | cehteh | go try that .. come back when done |
| 13:06.20 | flux | however, I have repository-installed package called kernel-modules, which contains nfs.ko |
| 13:06.28 | jafd | AWBEN: and if you wonder what does "kernel has no NFS support compiled in", you should 1) go to tldp.org and read a kernel howto, 2) ask around on linux help channels |
| 13:06.31 | flux | pretty sure I didn't install any kernel of my own! |
| 13:06.40 | tybollt | cehteh: how you reckon a bloke that can't get root will be able to recompile his own kernel? :-o |
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| 13:06.54 | jafd | pupnik: actually, I'm exaggerating a bit |
| 13:06.55 | cehteh | tybollt: i saied come back when done :) |
| 13:06.59 | tybollt | ;) |
| 13:07.22 | tybollt | nfs is entirely cool on wifi devices |
| 13:07.53 | jafd | pupnik: 10 Mbits over T-shaped connectors (anyone remember those?) is good as long as it's super reliable and you are dead sure server won't drop the link before all the clients do |
| 13:08.30 | cehteh | btw .. the kernel *has* nfs support .. i just looked |
| 13:08.42 | cehteh | maybe not knfsd |
| 13:09.05 | flux | so someone is trying to mount of export filesystems over nfs? |
| 13:09.15 | cehteh | not me :P |
| 13:09.25 | flux | I can definitely mount nfs filesystems on my n900 (I need to provide -o nolock, though) |
| 13:09.38 | flux | but automounter would be nice |
| 13:09.38 | tybollt | hmm |
| 13:09.40 | cehteh | AWBEN: note that |
| 13:09.41 | AWBEN | jup... me |
| 13:10.06 | flux | maybe the nfs.ko comes with the system, but nfs-common still needs to be installed |
| 13:10.25 | tybollt | right |
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| 13:10.51 | flux | so what's all this big capital "NO NFS SUPPORT"-stuff about :P |
| 13:11.09 | tybollt | it was iterated over and over in here earlier today |
| 13:11.11 | tybollt | :) |
| 13:11.17 | tybollt | by people who repsumably knows |
| 13:11.20 | cehteh | well still .. unless you exactly know that you *need* nfs .. sshfs is likely to be much less pain |
| 13:11.33 | tybollt | but shame on me for perpetuating false messages then... |
| 13:11.46 | flux | well, nfs is still likely to perform better, no encryption. I didn't compare (yet), though :) |
| 13:11.53 | flux | is there sshfs available for n900 then? |
| 13:12.02 | flux | oh, right, there is, apt-getting.. ;) |
| 13:12.04 | cehteh | while .. is there any bugreport/feature request that 'user' should have access on /dev/fuse by default? anyone mind to open that? |
| 13:12.06 | AWBEN | intalling rootsh right now |
| 13:12.16 | cehteh | flux: yes i use it |
| 13:12.33 | xorAxAx | NFS is usually more stable than sshfs for certain operations, BTST |
| 13:12.51 | cehteh | yeah, fuse filesystems have a lot limitations |
| 13:13.12 | cehteh | but if you are going over the internet/non trusted networks sshfs has a lot advantages over nfs |
| 13:14.17 | flux | well, you might just as well go and setup vpn anyway |
| 13:14.22 | flux | so the connections don't get cut when you roam |
| 13:14.33 | cehteh | yeah |
| 13:16.11 | cehteh | is there a easy way to tab through windows, without going to the dashboard? |
| 13:16.30 | SpeedEvil | I was thinking about that the other day. |
| 13:16.40 | SpeedEvil | cam-button+zoom/volume would be nice |
| 13:16.55 | SpeedEvil | for keyboard closed anyway |
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| 13:17.53 | flux | hmmm, my nfs performance is abysmal, sshfs can't lose to that :) |
| 13:17.58 | flux | 71k/s :) |
| 13:18.15 | cehteh | zoom is used for a lot other things |
| 13:18.15 | cehteh | i like the font zooming in xtern |
| 13:18.19 | cehteh | well and locking Fn and shift could light the notification light in different colors too |
| 13:18.30 | cehteh | flux: awesome :P |
| 13:18.44 | jafd | flux: so about that performance |
| 13:18.47 | SpeedEvil | ceh900: zoom - using the camera button as shift |
| 13:19.00 | flux | jafd, bah, something's simply broken to get that slow :) |
| 13:19.16 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes, but its also used by camkeyd (if you use that) and accidentally pressing it harder brings up the cam app |
| 13:19.21 | cehteh | (unless you disable that) |
| 13:19.47 | flux | hmm, with larger block size (1M instead of 64k on dd) I get 218k/s, nothing to write home about either |
| 13:19.51 | SpeedEvil | mount -o remount,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 flux? |
| 13:19.51 | cehteh | flux: the acceleromter has extra support for detecting taps and double taps on any axis |
| 13:19.58 | cehteh | i would like if anyone can leverage that |
| 13:20.14 | flux | cehteh, thanks for information, maybe I'll take a look at some point |
| 13:20.16 | jafd | flux: *accidentally* pull the network cable on your server and see where that performance goes on client |
| 13:20.21 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: in hardware i mean .. generating a interrupt! |
| 13:20.33 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: that would be good too. But I would like the camera button to only be used for camera stuff. |
| 13:20.46 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I think it's only actually if it exceeds a given figure |
| 13:20.57 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: so it can't really do that well. |
| 13:21.00 | jafd | flux: the awesomest thing about SSH and SSHFS is that it can sustain reconnects as long as you maintain the same IP address |
| 13:21.32 | flux | jafd, yeah, but when you switch from 3g to wlan or vice versa, it does change |
| 13:21.33 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: you can't measure 'jerk' - which is really what you want to measure - change in accelleration - with the existing framework. |
| 13:21.42 | flux | jafd, in my experience nfs works tolerably in that case also |
| 13:21.44 | Corsac | that's when you need MIPv6 |
| 13:21.55 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes iirc its not yet used by the driver |
| 13:21.56 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I haven't read enough |
| 13:22.03 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I mean in hardware |
| 13:22.13 | cehteh | look at the datasheet |
| 13:22.24 | cehteh | i didnt played with it either |
| 13:22.29 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: the hardware cannot do more than report if the accelleration exceeds a threshold. This isn't quite what you want for detecting taps |
| 13:22.36 | cehteh | but this can be really neat when it works |
| 13:22.41 | jafd | once had a setup with two PCs, each with its "shared" directory exported over NFS and mounted on another |
| 13:22.51 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: and to correct the above - 'the camera button only do something to do with the camera when the shutter is open' |
| 13:23.02 | flux | well, sshfs is a clear winner here. 1.7 megabytes per second. |
| 13:23.05 | jafd | it was real fun if/when network was down. |
| 13:23.06 | SpeedEvil | the camera opening to say 'open the shutter' is something I never, ever want to see. |
| 13:23.11 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: nah, hardware can be little smarter (or at least do that without you polling the accelerometer continously) |
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| 13:23.44 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: for example the hardware in my laptop has freefall detection which works reliable on any tilt, generating an interrupt |
| 13:24.03 | flux | even 2.4 megabytes per second on another test |
| 13:24.04 | cehteh | its extremely fast and you cant cheat it easily |
| 13:24.27 | flux | but, off to setup the food-generation process |
| 13:24.34 | jafd | I prefer moving parts stopping on any tilt without software intervention |
| 13:24.35 | cehteh | thats something you cant do in the driver in a reasonable way |
| 13:24.52 | cehteh | jafd: huh? |
| 13:24.55 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: The device may be configured to generate inertial wake-up/free-fall interrupt signals when a programmable acceleration threshold is crossed at least in one of the three axes. Thresholds and timing of interrupt generators are programmable by the end user on the fly. |
| 13:25.13 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: that's not quite ideal for tap detection alas. |
| 13:25.23 | jafd | cehteh: like, a harddrive which parks heads immediately on noticing dangerous motion |
| 13:25.24 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: it likely integrates all 3 axis for that and detects zero g |
| 13:25.26 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: freefall is a _lot_ easier to detect than taps |
| 13:25.55 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes but well i can imagine that tap detection can aslo work very nice, but that has to be prooven |
| 13:25.57 | X-Fade | n900fly ;) |
| 13:26.04 | xorAxAx | cehteh: can you give me the output of ldd pnatd? |
| 13:26.13 | cehteh | n900fly does it by polling.. just the wrong way |
| 13:26.37 | cehteh | xorAxAx: no such file or diectory :P |
| 13:26.40 | jafd | btw, what it does by default when it detects freefall? |
| 13:26.41 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: the overall thing you have to remember is that gravity is overwelming. It's a large vector pointing down. Any accellerations from taps are on top of this. Generally at least. |
| 13:26.54 | SpeedEvil | jafd: the phone - nothing - it's not setup. |
| 13:27.03 | SpeedEvil | jafd: unless you have n900fly installed. |
| 13:27.17 | cehteh | jafd: on my laptop it needs a small daemon which then parks the harddisk |
| 13:27.56 | cehteh | runs mlocked and realtime pri here .. the interrupt triggers a device (no read, just wakeup on select) which immediately parks the hdd |
| 13:28.14 | cehteh | imo a good example how to get interrupts handled in userland |
| 13:28.26 | jafd | Well, N900 is then suitable to be used in space, while cehteh's laptop is not... |
| 13:28.29 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: oh - I missed the 'tap' functionality last time I read the datasheet. |
| 13:28.46 | cehteh | then n900 has no harddisk either |
| 13:28.59 | jafd | notes to earn enough money to become a space tourist and not forget to take a N900 with him |
| 13:29.37 | pupnik | we could have had elevators by now |
| 13:29.50 | xorAxAx | cehteh: --> +linux.de |
| 13:29.58 | xorAxAx | cehteh: ah |
| 13:30.01 | cehteh | xorAxAx: msg :P |
| 13:30.42 | cehteh | jafd: the accelerometer by default goes only to 2g .. not enough for a rocket launch |
| 13:30.54 | cehteh | ok it can be reprogrammed to 8G mode .. |
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| 13:31.02 | xorAxAx | well, the whole isi stuff doesnt have headers |
| 13:31.07 | xorAxAx | nokia suckz |
| 13:31.15 | cehteh | apt-get install spaceflight-mod |
| 13:32.09 | xorAxAx | any chance that nokia documents the ISI interface? |
| 13:33.04 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: eh, no headers? |
| 13:33.07 | tybollt | pupnik: oh we could? |
| 13:33.14 | Stskeeps | didn't you check cellmo-icpr58-headers or something? |
| 13:33.23 | Stskeeps | (spelling is wrong) |
| 13:34.12 | pupnik | easily, if we could have kept and saved our money |
| 13:34.54 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: that package is useless |
| 13:35.07 | xorAxAx | without -dev packages of the particular packages |
| 13:35.07 | cehteh | btw do you people use a wriststrap on your device? |
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| 13:35.10 | tybollt | pupnik: ETOOMUCHIFSTATEMENTS there :) |
| 13:35.33 | xorAxAx | cehteh: whats that? |
| 13:35.34 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: which ones are you interested in? a lot of defines and structs in those headers |
| 13:35.40 | cehteh | wonders why nokia didnt put one in the box |
| 13:35.43 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: but no single function :-P |
| 13:35.48 | cehteh | xorAxAx: handschlaufe |
| 13:36.06 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accellerometer |
| 13:36.17 | tybollt | cehteh: sure, I go around w/ the wriststrap and the little crocodile jaw clamp wherever I go... you should see me when missus calls me at the supermarket and I go running to clamp the strap to the breadshelf |
| 13:36.20 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: that's true, but it's a communication protocol over phonet isn't it? :P |
| 13:36.21 | tybollt | ;P |
| 13:37.21 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: i want libisi-dev and the appropriate docs |
| 13:37.48 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: https://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N900 i added the link for the accel datasheet there, maybe you move that over to the otehr page |
| 13:38.59 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: with what intention? |
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| 13:39.20 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: to write a netmonitor |
| 13:40.18 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: did you look at ofono's gisi stuff? |
| 13:42.12 | xorAxAx | no |
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| 13:43.12 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search libisi |
| 13:43.12 | Stskeeps | libisi-glib0 - Runtime library for using GLib main loop with libisi |
| 13:43.12 | Stskeeps | libisi1 - ISI library runtime |
| 13:43.23 | xorAxAx | no -dev :) |
| 13:43.27 | Stskeeps | you might have a shot at asking for libisi1-dev being put into nokia-binaries |
| 13:43.55 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: datasheet is already there |
| 13:44.09 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: reorganising |
| 13:44.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: uptime |
| 13:44.24 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: submit a bug and cc me on carsten.munk@gmail.com? you should submit it against SDK i think |
| 13:46.38 | tybollt | does anyone know if date format will be freely adjustable (and not clamped down to the choice of language) in future versions of hildon? |
| 13:46.51 | hrw | tybollt: doubt it |
| 13:46.59 | tybollt | sigh... |
| 13:47.14 | Stskeeps | tybollt: patch it and install it on top of your existing one? it's oss :P |
| 13:47.25 | derf | Hey, we can set a 24-hour clock now, so you never know. |
| 13:47.32 | tybollt | Stskeeps: oh even hildon is? |
| 13:47.51 | Stskeeps | tybollt: http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon |
| 13:47.58 | tybollt | well :)( |
| 13:48.12 | hrw | Stskeeps: sure, then patch it again when new FW will be released, then again |
| 13:48.20 | Corsac | or export LC_TIME at the correct place :) |
| 13:48.40 | Stskeeps | hrw: i had good success getting patches accepted |
| 13:48.53 | SpeedEvil | Stupid wiki yntax. |
| 13:49.18 | tybollt | Stskeeps: so you'll be my proxy for getting my patch accepted then? ;) |
| 13:49.43 | Stskeeps | tybollt: no, use gitorious and make a merge request |
| 13:49.59 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: done |
| 13:50.26 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: thanks |
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| 13:50.55 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: another postit goes to my screen :) |
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| 13:53.18 | SplasPood | Every time I read 'gitorius' I find myself sayin 'notorious' as in the rap song... |
| 13:54.02 | SpeedEvil | Anyone with further input on https://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware welcome |
| 13:55.33 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html might help (though some of the info there come from the wiki page) |
| 13:57.06 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: hmm |
| 13:58.20 | xorAxAx | i just read that the transmitter also has a receiver |
| 13:59.26 | hrw | xorAxAx: no, they are two chips |
| 13:59.44 | Caesium | want to buy: vacuum sealed dust-free room to apply this goddamn screen protector |
| 13:59.48 | Caesium | on my 3rd attempt now :( |
| 13:59.50 | xorAxAx | hrw: my sentence implies that it has 2 receivers! |
| 13:59.56 | TomaszD | hmm.. is anyone working on an android port for the n900? I know how you all "hate" Android, but even just for fun |
| 14:00.22 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: it's probably mind-numbing trivial given android exists for beagleboard and such. |
| 14:00.41 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, be honest, would I be able to do this? :D |
| 14:00.49 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: given enough vodka, maybe |
| 14:00.57 | TomaszD | goes shopping |
| 14:01.14 | Stskeeps | it's snowing quite a lot here :P |
| 14:01.16 | TomaszD | for big enough values of vodka, everything is possible |
| 14:01.21 | Stskeeps | visibility is quite low |
| 14:01.48 | TomaszD | it's not snowing around here, but it's a bit chilly, although not really bad, just -8 C |
| 14:06.04 | tybollt | -17 over here last night |
| 14:06.20 | tybollt | and the missus took me out walking around the neighborhood |
| 14:06.37 | tybollt | I was like "WTF? Are you crazy, woman?!" |
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| 14:09.21 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: they are one chip |
| 14:09.32 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: there is also a seperate fm audio reciever |
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| 14:10.00 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: the recieverr on the transmitter only recievers if there is any signal, and its level, not what it is |
| 14:10.29 | xorAxAx | yes |
| 14:10.33 | Corsac | hmhm, does modest support gpg? |
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| 14:10.52 | Arkenoi | no |
| 14:11.00 | Arkenoi | claws does |
| 14:13.30 | range | Huge N900 ads in Heathrow Airport, London: http://oerks.de/~ralph/n900.jpg |
| 14:13.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:13.44 | range | There were 4 or 5 of these, showing movies of the N900. |
| 14:14.27 | zaheerm | yah in october they had n97 ads there |
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| 14:15.02 | gevaerts | range: I've spent a few hours looking at those when my flight was cancelled two weeks ago :) |
| 14:15.08 | range | Hehe. |
| 14:16.03 | range | Well, actually they were advertising the Nokia Store somewhere in Terminal 5, but ... |
| 14:16.27 | Arkenoi | never seen n900 on the streets yet except people i know |
| 14:17.01 | range | I was at the 26c3 after christmas ("hacker" conference in Germany), and there were several people with N900s. |
| 14:17.27 | gevaerts | was near 26c3 |
| 14:17.45 | range | And many people asking if they could see mine and was I content with it. |
| 14:17.55 | Arkenoi | missed moscow 26c3 event, though it was just a few blocks away from my home |
| 14:18.12 | SplasPood | moscow 26c3? |
| 14:18.44 | Arkenoi | yep |
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| 14:18.53 | SplasPood | Arkenoi: what's that? |
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| 14:19.03 | bobbyd | hi |
| 14:19.28 | bobbyd | does anyone know if it's possible to get some kind of root window on the hildon desktop so I can render to it? |
| 14:19.29 | range | Arkenoi: I was talking about this one: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/wiki/Main_Page |
| 14:19.32 | bobbyd | I'd like to have a 3d effect there |
| 14:19.43 | Arkenoi | don't know as i did not go ;-) just seen an announcement |
| 14:19.49 | Arkenoi | range: yep |
| 14:19.57 | SplasPood | Hrm.. My buddy is in moscow right now, I woulda told him to check it out |
| 14:19.58 | SplasPood | oh well |
| 14:20.00 | SpeedEvil | I want some way to do xlock -inroot flame to the desktop |
| 14:20.09 | Arkenoi | don't know if there was something actually happening except a bunch of people watching video feed from germany |
| 14:20.17 | range | Ah. |
| 14:20.27 | SplasPood | Arkenoi: yea he woulda bailed on that quick unless there was vodka involved ;) |
| 14:20.52 | Stskeeps | bobbyd: it's open source, go nuts? |
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| 14:21.25 | bobbyd | Stskeeps: I know I'll be able to find out eventually, I was asking if anyone *knew* :) |
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| 14:25.34 | ccooke | (Bah. I ordered my n900 over ten hours ago. Why hasn't it been delivered yet, damnit!) |
| 14:26.03 | Stskeeps | the whining symptom |
| 14:26.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:26.10 | ccooke | grins |
| 14:27.10 | ccooke | Ssurely, in this day and age, it's only lazyness that stops Nokia from delivering the phone no less than five minutes before I finish the order? |
| 14:27.26 | Stskeeps | ponders if his n810 tethers to his n900 |
| 14:27.42 | LeoD | hm, amazon still has the n900 at 600 euro in germany.. thought that was gonna change this year |
| 14:27.46 | ccooke | not well, I suspect - not without iptables. |
| 14:29.23 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, only 1 way to find out really :) |
| 14:30.10 | lcuk2 | ccooke, they used to implement the 5minutes before ordering system, but there was a worldwide shortage of flux capacitors and plutonium was getting hard to find |
| 14:31.08 | ccooke | lcuk2: damn it. This must be Apple's fault - evidently they bought the world supply |
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| 14:32.24 | lcuk2 | nahhh apple ran out before everyone, they had to use all the plutonium they had to go back and get the developer of the newton |
| 14:33.07 | ccooke | Bah! |
| 14:35.56 | SpeedEvil | dismantles his n900 hardware. |
| 14:36.04 | SpeedEvil | (though it is the ca-146c) |
| 14:36.15 | Veggen | Dunno, but my local phone dealer who has ordered 5 new ones weeks ago and not gotten them yet, tells me that it's sold out all over Scandinavia. |
| 14:36.20 | SpeedEvil | Seems to be a moderately complex SMPS. |
| 14:36.34 | SpeedEvil | I'll need to desolder heatsink to work out what it does. |
| 14:36.39 | Veggen | I think Nokia underestimated the demand. |
| 14:36.56 | gevaerts | SpeedEvil: it absorbs heat? |
| 14:37.17 | SpeedEvil | stabs gevaerts with a soldering iron set to 420 |
| 14:37.18 | SpeedEvil | c |
| 14:37.28 | gevaerts | runs away |
| 14:37.58 | SpeedEvil | most of the components are under a heatsink soldered to the board |
| 14:38.20 | tybollt | Veggen: you need to order via nokia webpage |
| 14:39.06 | tybollt | then you'll get it right away... shipping to stores has been - from what I heard - sporadic at best. |
| 14:39.43 | Veggen | tybollt: Well. I'm not sure if I want one at this point, as I'm contemplating using it as my primary phone, and that means that it needs to suit me well for that. |
| 14:40.06 | SpeedEvil | works for me. |
| 14:40.16 | SpeedEvil | But I'm very undemanding of phone part. |
| 14:40.28 | Veggen | well. I need phone and sms to just work ;) |
| 14:40.36 | tybollt | it does |
| 14:40.37 | tybollt | really |
| 14:40.40 | Pudding-n900 | yep |
| 14:41.02 | tybollt | granted sms is ... the way it should be - not fail as on most other phones :) |
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| 14:41.26 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, it's probably regulated to output +5V with something slightly less crude than a 7805? ;p |
| 14:41.34 | Pudding-n900 | i havent regret my choice |
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| 14:41.57 | tybollt | hmm I need to get me some pudding on my way home |
| 14:42.18 | Pudding-n900 | :p |
| 14:42.23 | Pudding-n900 | you better do |
| 14:42.31 | N900evil | shado, I assume it's a buck/boost converter. |
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| 14:42.42 | Pudding-n900 | its always good to have some pudding @ home :P |
| 14:42.55 | N900evil | xchat even works! |
| 14:43.18 | Pudding-n900 | at its best |
| 14:43.27 | Veggen | has anyone compared it, usage-wise, for example to an iPhone? |
| 14:43.29 | ShadowJK | N900evil, Yeah I was wondering that, if they made provision for accepting input from "Special Chargers" too |
| 14:43.49 | FIQ | hm |
| 14:43.50 | Veggen | google seems to hint to it. |
| 14:43.51 | ShadowJK | Special is 4.2V < Vin < 4.8V, iirc |
| 14:44.04 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - I'm planning on reverse engineering the circuit - work out what its limits are |
| 14:44.11 | Pudding-n900 | @veggen n900 an iphone ard completely different |
| 14:44.25 | Pudding-n900 | you cant control the iphone without apps |
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| 14:44.29 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: basically I'm wondering if it can do 12v in |
| 14:44.30 | Pudding-n900 | its all about apps |
| 14:44.47 | Pudding-n900 | not so the n900 |
| 14:44.54 | Arkenoi | Speedevil: is there really IR receiver? |
| 14:44.56 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, well, if we assume it follows Nokia's 2mm charger spec, and accepts exactly what that spec allows, then no |
| 14:45.01 | tybollt | actually I would love to have a pudding-accelerometer app :D |
| 14:45.04 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: sure |
| 14:45.08 | FIQ | how come iPhone being super-popular when there's MANY devices at a BETTER price that has BETTER functionalty |
| 14:45.16 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: hack 'moocow' |
| 14:45.22 | ShadowJK | reality distortion field ;) |
| 14:45.29 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: you mean "moobox" |
| 14:45.30 | Pudding-n900 | 'cause its a lifestyle product |
| 14:45.32 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 14:45.33 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 14:45.37 | SpeedEvil | puddingbox |
| 14:45.41 | Wolfie | FIQ: common people don't want features. They want stuff that make them feel happy and not stupid |
| 14:45.45 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: :-D |
| 14:45.53 | xorAxAx | FIQ: http://www.fixmbr.de/wp-content/uploads/inacktscanner.png |
| 14:46.20 | xorAxAx | FIQ: "since we put the apple onto the thz scanner, more people want to use it" |
| 14:46.21 | LeoD | hahaha |
| 14:46.48 | tybollt | Wolfie: godphone users wants an app w/ a looping video clip of Jobs stating "Give me your money, NOW!" |
| 14:47.09 | Wolfie | tybollt: hardly |
| 14:47.13 | ShadowJK | wonders if N900 has a root window t |
| 14:47.19 | ShadowJK | hat shows |
| 14:47.32 | Pudding-n900 | shows what |
| 14:47.39 | ShadowJK | That is visible, I mean |
| 14:47.41 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: xlock -inroot -mode flame does not work |
| 14:47.49 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, right |
| 14:48.08 | ShadowJK | So we can't make mplayer drive the background picture either :-( |
| 14:48.16 | ShadowJK | for the looping video |
| 14:48.30 | SpeedEvil | 4 background videos of course |
| 14:48.39 | SpeedEvil | in sync widescreen animated background |
| 14:49.15 | tybollt | yo |
| 14:49.42 | tybollt | ShadowJK: then you could just use sommat like qiv and there you go! |
| 14:50.17 | edheldil | is it possible to exit the mass storage mode? |
| 14:51.22 | ShadowJK | tybollt, well if the root window isn't visible then qiv isn't going to show anything on the background either ;) |
| 14:52.00 | tybollt | obviously |
| 14:53.58 | jebba | ping anidel you can flash the kernel with the kernel-flasher.deb |
| 14:54.15 | hrw | bad news: Qt 4.6 kinetic scrolling suxx |
| 14:54.25 | anidel | eh jebba |
| 14:54.33 | anidel | jebba: where can I find that deb |
| 14:54.55 | jebba | in the same dir you grabbed the kernel from |
| 14:55.10 | jebba | wget \ http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/kernel_2.6.28-20094102.3+0m11_armel.deb \ http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/kernel-modules_2.6.28-20094102.3+0m11_armel.deb \ http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/kernel-flasher_2.6.28-20094102.3+0m11_armel.deb |
| 14:55.21 | jebba | Are you looking here? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel#Installing_my_custom_kernel |
| 14:56.13 | jebba | it's all there. By the way, the reason you copy over the *old* modules to a temp dir, then install my kernel, then copy the old modules back is so if you need to install the original kernl you can use flasher-3.5 with the original zImage and you have the exact same setup as originally. |
| 14:56.42 | jebba | my modules get installed in /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1-jebba6 or whatever. The stock modules get installed in /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 |
| 14:57.14 | gevaerts | so it's just a backup? |
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| 14:58.13 | anidel | jebba: the kernel-flasher then complains it depends on fiasco-flasher |
| 14:58.29 | anidel | my issue was about that |
| 14:58.33 | anidel | sorry for not being clear |
| 14:58.52 | jebba | anidel: fiasco-flasher comes with the device. Perhaps you removed it or something. Anyway, apt-get install fiasco-flasher then. |
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| 14:59.19 | jebba | or at least i think it comes with the device. Perhaps someone with a virgin system can confirm that for us. |
| 14:59.21 | anidel | jebba: tried that of course :) can't find it.. I have PR1.1 beta.. |
| 14:59.27 | anidel | may be that's the issue then... |
| 14:59.29 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, considering the reports of these things melting down, I suspect the limitations are in the thermal path :) |
| 14:59.39 | anidel | it doesn't even have powertop |
| 15:00.06 | ShadowJK | remind me to take a backup of / before letting SSU do its thing.. |
| 15:00.12 | anidel | :) |
| 15:00.14 | jebba | ah, well, no clue then. |
| 15:00.29 | jebba | that's what you get for running software the peasants can't run :P |
| 15:00.34 | anidel | :D |
| 15:00.36 | anidel | right :p |
| 15:00.52 | jebba | ii fiasco-flasher 0.9.0.1 flash FIASCO image from the n800-like device |
| 15:01.03 | anidel | but I think I know how to fix this.. you know which REPO is the fiasco-flasher in ? |
| 15:01.08 | jebba | no |
| 15:01.25 | anidel | ok.. but I've noticed a change in the path for one of the base repositories in the device for PR1.1 |
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| 15:01.50 | anidel | I think that repo doesn't have fiasco-flasher.. but as I can't downgrade it, I suppose there's a good reason for that :) |
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| 15:01.53 | jebba | anidel: it's not in extras* or sdk or tools |
| 15:02.05 | anidel | yeah.. I think it's in the Update repo |
| 15:02.13 | anidel | that's the one that changed |
| 15:02.15 | anidel | ok |
| 15:02.21 | anidel | I'll revert back to stock kernel |
| 15:02.50 | jebba | you can just grab fiasco-flasher then install kernel-flasher withotu having to revert. |
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| 15:06.34 | Corsac | I have a stock n900 and fiasco-flasher isn't available from the repositories |
| 15:06.57 | Corsac | it's installed though |
| 15:06.59 | anidel | jebba: yeah but I wonder .. they said we can't flash back to 42-11 after flashing to 51-1 |
| 15:07.01 | anidel | so |
| 15:07.11 | anidel | Corsac, ah that's interesting |
| 15:07.24 | Corsac | (at least apt-cache madison/policy doesn't return anything) |
| 15:07.28 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 15:07.32 | Corsac | well policy returns /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:07.39 | Corsac | moos RST38h back |
| 15:07.45 | jebba | anidel: i have no clue about your PR1.1 sry |
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| 15:07.55 | anidel | jebba: yeah I know ;) don't worry |
| 15:08.01 | jebba | though i dont know why that kernel wouldn't work. It even works with fedora and mer, for instance. |
| 15:08.21 | jebba | PR1.1 probably has fixes in it that aren't in mine though (perhaps your front facing camera even works, for example ;) |
| 15:08.27 | anidel | nono I think it'll work.. but I will need to flash it via USB rather than via .deb |
| 15:08.33 | jebba | Corsac: thx for the info :) |
| 15:08.57 | anidel | jebba: it's been reported already.. that works better.. but has some stuck pixels on it.. but no right vertical darker band |
| 15:08.57 | jebba | sucks that they removed it. You should file a bug report that it is missing! |
| 15:09.10 | anidel | may be it's just in these ones that's missing |
| 15:09.18 | jebba | anidel: cool. I did see in git they had made lots of changes |
| 15:09.20 | anidel | fiasco-flasher is surely used for the SSU |
| 15:09.26 | jebba | i assume still 2.6.28 |
| 15:09.32 | anidel | jebba: there's a bug for it |
| 15:09.35 | anidel | yes |
| 15:09.46 | anidel | Dec 17th |
| 15:10.04 | Corsac | though 2.6.32 has most of the stuff merged in, so it should be not so hard to upgrade the kernel |
| 15:10.15 | jebba | Corsac: ya, except for things like the touchscreen ;) |
| 15:10.32 | Corsac | ha, ts is not merged? |
| 15:10.33 | jebba | ts2005.c is gone |
| 15:10.34 | anidel | it depends if modules require that particular kernel version |
| 15:10.43 | jebba | nope, not in linux-omap git tre either |
| 15:10.49 | Corsac | woops |
| 15:10.52 | Corsac | why so? |
| 15:11.00 | jebba | it was dropped out of neglect in 2.6.29 |
| 15:11.14 | jebba | anidel: yes, you need modules matching your kernel version. |
| 15:11.22 | anidel | yep I know.. |
| 15:11.25 | jebba | Corsac: though they are trying to get it back in recently. |
| 15:11.34 | Corsac | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/902537 |
| 15:11.56 | jebba | Corsac: there's even a more recent patch from like Dec 15 or so |
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| 15:12.51 | jebba | drivers/input/touchscreen/tsc2005.c <--- that's the missing driver |
| 15:13.53 | jebba | it's not in linux-2.6, linux-omap, or input git trees still though :( |
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| 15:14.38 | mkargar | hello |
| 15:15.00 | jebba | hey |
| 15:15.45 | mkargar | i want connect to internet on the n900 by this method:http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sharing_ppp_connection_with_wlan_interface |
| 15:16.38 | VDVsx | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=455641#post455641 (Missing emulators will be back at maemo.org) |
| 15:16.39 | mkargar | my n900 detected my wireeless card,but,doesnt'n ping it! |
| 15:16.51 | Corsac | jebba: ok so it might require some patches but it much less than previous hw |
| 15:17.17 | mkargar | what is my problem!i want connect to internet on n900!!! |
| 15:18.36 | jebba | mkargar: see: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/NAT You will need a custom kernel. |
| 15:20.31 | mkargar | jebba:ok and very thx!are you mean costom kernel ffor maemo? |
| 15:20.48 | mkargar | *custom |
| 15:20.54 | jebba | ya |
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| 15:21.02 | jebba | because the kernel from maemo doesn't support NAT |
| 15:21.23 | jebba | mkargar: also check a thread called "wifi hotspot" or similar in talk.maemo.org |
| 15:22.25 | mkargar | jebba:ok ok!my problem solved since of 2 week by you! |
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| 15:23.41 | jebba | cool mkargar :) |
| 15:24.24 | mkargar | jebba:0|- |
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| 15:26.24 | adalal1 | is there a way to control pulseaudio? like padevchooser in distributions like ubuntu |
| 15:28.35 | jebba | killall pulseaudio? |
| 15:28.50 | jebba | if i make a distro for this fone i'm gonna base it on jackd ;) |
| 15:30.52 | mkargar | jebba:how to i want setup iptables and other app required for install custop kernel on n900 without internet!!? |
| 15:31.01 | |R | jebba: any reasons why their couldn't be just the modules_2.6.28.deb package with the nat modules? (could be in the repository for everyone who can't figure out all the console commands and don't want to risk changing the whole thing) :-) |
| 15:31.03 | mkargar | *custom |
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| 15:31.57 | jebba | mkargar: Hmm. Perhaps i am pointing you at the wrong documentation. What exactly is it you are trying to do? Do you not have internet on your N900 via wifi or GPRS? |
| 15:32.30 | jebba | |R: see my tests here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/TESTS/modprobe-test.log |
| 15:33.06 | |R | jebba: uhm ok, wtf :) |
| 15:33.15 | jebba | |R: in sum, missing symbols so the NAT modules don't work. That could work for other .kos though, such as squasfs.ko |
| 15:34.19 | Corsac | need to rebuild an ipv6 kernel |
| 15:34.31 | mkargar | jebba:i have not internet via wifi and gprs!(gprs internet is very very slowly!)! |
| 15:34.45 | anidel | it's snowing like hell in London :) |
| 15:34.45 | anidel | wow |
| 15:35.20 | RST38h | Christian version of Hell is supposed to be rather warm, no? =) |
| 15:35.30 | SplasPood | would you say then that there is in fact a snowflake's chance in hell? |
| 15:35.39 | gevaerts | RST38h: less than 445 degrees anyway |
| 15:36.16 | ifreq | jebba: i told him to get wifi ap days ago, but thats not a good solution ive heard. |
| 15:36.37 | jebba | mkargar: well, if you don't have internet, NAT on the phone will not help you. |
| 15:37.21 | ifreq | 1st he wanted to share internet via linux laptop(archlinux) and as its not working now from phone? just get the frigging 20eur wifi ap. |
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| 15:38.52 | mkargar | ifreq:i must install custom kernel to work it!(NAT)! |
| 15:39.31 | ifreq | you dont need custom kernels with hardware wifi accesspoint. |
| 15:39.46 | ifreq | if youre laptop is now wired just put the cat5 cable into wifi ap & voila! |
| 15:40.36 | ifreq | dont try todo everything like its 90's |
| 15:40.45 | ifreq | thats just imho |
| 15:41.10 | adalal1 | jebba.. i dont wanna kill pulseaudio.. i wanna know if it's possible to redirect streams over the network |
| 15:41.43 | jebba | adalal1: uh, ya /me thinking |
| 15:41.53 | adalal1 | lol it's ok |
| 15:42.55 | jebba | g2g now good luck |
| 15:43.01 | adalal1 | aight.. cya |
| 15:43.10 | anidel | leaving.. too much snow, don't want to be stuck in the office :) see you later guys.. thanks for the help jebba and Corsac and stskeeps |
| 15:43.17 | mkargar | jebba:yes,you right!i want custom kernel for use NAT service!no fro wifi adaptor!i going to ship wifi Adaptor fro connect to intenet....yahooo:) |
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| 15:44.07 | mkargar | jebba:alright!i go to ship wifi adaptor!50$! |
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| 15:47.41 | mkargar | jebba:are you use custom kernel with NAT support? |
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| 15:50.05 | mkargar | jebba:are you online? |
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| 15:56.15 | adalal1 | mkargar: he said he's g2g lol |
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| 16:01.49 | cehteh | are usb and headphone ports just at the wrong side each or do you feel comfortable with it? |
| 16:01.51 | cehteh | grr |
| 16:02.36 | cehteh | i mean you cant build a usb-charging stand because the usb port is on the top |
| 16:02.56 | cehteh | and you can plug in headphone on the top and slip it upright into the pocket |
| 16:02.58 | ShadowJK | it's on the side |
| 16:03.05 | cehteh | portrait mode |
| 16:03.29 | ShadowJK | it'd be nice if portrait mode went the other way too, with headphone port on top |
| 16:03.50 | cehteh | yeah maybe that could be a solution |
| 16:04.04 | cehteh | but still the celluar antenna is then at the bottom |
| 16:04.12 | RST38h | When starting SB2 with Diablo rootstrap, I am getting: |
| 16:04.13 | RST38h | Exit reason and status: signal 8 |
| 16:04.16 | RST38h | Any ideas??? |
| 16:04.19 | cehteh | (cam and light sensor too) |
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| 16:04.28 | ShadowJK | cehteh, um.. the cellular antenna is near the headphone port |
| 16:04.45 | cehteh | oh really? .. |
| 16:04.50 | ShadowJK | yes, it's in the manual |
| 16:05.00 | ShadowJK | recommends not holding hand there, for stronger signal :) |
| 16:05.06 | cehteh | well lets be surpised with portrait mode |
| 16:05.18 | RST38h | signal 8 is Floatign Point Exception |
| 16:05.49 | cehteh | must be strange how you phone when you cant put your hand there |
| 16:06.01 | cehteh | i mean, thats the natural position, isnt it |
| 16:07.31 | mkargar | jebba:i back for other question from you...! |
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| 16:14.47 | mkargar | anybodu use custom kernel on n900? |
| 16:15.32 | mkargar | *anybody |
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| 16:26.21 | mkargar | anybodu use custom kernel on n900? |
| 16:26.27 | mkargar | *anybody |
| 16:26.32 | Corsac | mkargar: jebba :) |
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| 16:27.00 | Arkenoi | is there a way to set up ovi picture sharing to make new pictures public by default? |
| 16:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's a setting for Flickr. |
| 16:27.18 | mkargar | Corsac:only jebba!not anybody?you? |
| 16:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, Options or somesuch when you're going to share. |
| 16:27.33 | Corsac | not yet |
| 16:30.22 | Arkenoi | GeneralAntilles, options: Image SIze, Metadata, Album. that's all |
| 16:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, ah, I've got a "Privacy" field for Flickr. |
| 16:31.20 | Arkenoi | ovi sucks |
| 16:32.33 | cehteh | wants scp sharing :) |
| 16:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, write a sharing plugin. |
| 16:32.48 | cehteh | or rsync .. boils down to the same |
| 16:33.04 | cehteh | thinking about that, when i find some time |
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| 16:33.19 | cehteh | iirc someone else working on that |
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| 16:33.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, Andy80. |
| 16:33.34 | cehteh | first on my list is my profile switcher |
| 16:33.36 | Andy80 | hello :) |
| 16:33.38 | red | is the media player from nokia closed code? |
| 16:33.42 | red | for n900 that is |
| 16:33.42 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: hi :) |
| 16:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | red, the UI is, yes. |
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| 16:34.12 | red | so its basicly not possible to add things into it, like playing media by folders (and subfolders in that folder) instead of playlist/genre |
| 16:34.25 | GeneralAntilles | Try Canola |
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| 16:36.57 | ml-N900 | are there any 3rd party media players in the works? |
| 16:37.15 | red | guess ill give it a go |
| 16:37.17 | ml-N900 | nokia's is terrible :/ |
| 16:37.29 | KamuiWrk | ml-N900, there are a lot of 3rd party mps already |
| 16:37.32 | red | ml-N900: yeh, terribad |
| 16:37.40 | red | I've tested a couple and they werent that good |
| 16:37.41 | KamuiWrk | canola, mediabox, mplayer, |
| 16:37.49 | red | mediabox I tried atleast |
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| 16:37.59 | KamuiWrk | mediabox is weak, but it works well for not movies |
| 16:38.00 | KamuiWrk | :) |
| 16:38.00 | red | really miss iPod :p |
| 16:38.03 | KamuiWrk | mplayer is a bit slow |
| 16:38.07 | KamuiWrk | on video for me |
| 16:38.14 | KamuiWrk | I mostly just use the default |
| 16:38.19 | KamuiWrk | red: you are alone in that sentiment |
| 16:38.27 | KamuiWrk | Im very happy not to be converting all my damn content before use |
| 16:38.28 | KamuiWrk | :) |
| 16:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Mediabox is another good option. |
| 16:38.44 | ml-N900 | I have mplayer + SiB for video, since the default won't play anything I throw at it |
| 16:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer hasn't been optimized for N900 yet. |
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| 16:40.02 | Arkenoi | http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1620/32e2adaf8c774ef6872bd918092eee5b.jpg <- can you see this picture without logging in to ovi? |
| 16:40.11 | KamuiWrk | yea, I have my original dvd rip of robot chicken star wars |
| 16:40.13 | Arkenoi | ah, actually i could just try wget |
| 16:40.20 | Caesium | Arkenoi: works fine for me. |
| 16:40.23 | KamuiWrk | mplayer runs it, and the part where boba fett says "back from the dead assholes!" |
| 16:40.26 | KamuiWrk | plays without vidoe |
| 16:40.37 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Yes. |
| 16:40.41 | KamuiWrk | the original media player plays it fine though |
| 16:44.20 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, I think the major optimizations that will be done, are done |
| 16:45.11 | cehteh | using the DSP would be a major optimization |
| 16:45.27 | KamuiWrk | is it just me, or does anyone else find using the soft keyboard purely unpleasant |
| 16:45.42 | KamuiWrk | no matter how many times I recalibrate, it ALWAYS manages to hit the wrong letter |
| 16:45.56 | cehteh | your thick fingers :) |
| 16:45.59 | tigert | thats why I use the hardware one :) |
| 16:46.07 | Arkenoi | btw looks like builtin media player picks audio track by random if there are many. i have an avi with russian and english audio and if played several times it picks english or russian one at random |
| 16:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, for MPlayer? |
| 16:46.23 | ShadowJK | I suspect if ffmpeg ever gains DSP code, it will probably be for the DSP interface everyone except nokia uses.. |
| 16:46.24 | KamuiWrk | cehteh, I do have big hands |
| 16:46.36 | GeneralAntilles | KamuiWrk, are you hitting with the tips or the pads of your thumbs? |
| 16:46.43 | KamuiWrk | tigert, I know I know, I usually do too, but sometimes, Its just more convenient when Im one handing |
| 16:46.47 | tigert | yeah |
| 16:46.50 | KamuiWrk | GeneralAntilles, pads |
| 16:46.54 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, yes |
| 16:46.58 | GeneralAntilles | KamuiWrk, that's your problem? :) |
| 16:47.01 | cehteh | did you callibrate the touchscreen with the stylus? |
| 16:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | KamuiWrk, try the tips. |
| 16:47.09 | KamuiWrk | lol GeneralAntilles |
| 16:47.13 | KamuiWrk | can't tip one handed |
| 16:47.14 | GeneralAntilles | KamuiWrk, it's not capacitive. :) |
| 16:47.16 | KamuiWrk | not easily |
| 16:47.20 | GeneralAntilles | KamuiWrk, er? |
| 16:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | KamuiWrk, use the tips/nails of your thumbs on the virtual keyboard. |
| 16:47.41 | GeneralAntilles | Accuracy will skyrocket. |
| 16:47.42 | ceh900 | works fine for me |
| 16:47.56 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't calibrate the screen with anything... not until PR1.1 atleast |
| 16:48.22 | lcuk2 | am i tained by the internet too much? |
| 16:48.38 | KamuiWrk | yea, I guess Im crying over nothing |
| 16:48.50 | KamuiWrk | It works, but I can't get any kind of speed |
| 16:48.53 | lcuk2 | when i read a blog titled "Maemo DP team blog" im curiously not thinking about developer platform |
| 16:49.02 | ceh900 | i dont need to pull the device out off the case with soft keys |
| 16:49.04 | Shadikka | You neither? :P |
| 16:49.36 | tigert | lcuk2: I guess the problem is everyone working with something becomes too familiar with acronyms |
| 16:49.42 | KamuiWrk | lcuk2, ha ha |
| 16:49.43 | KamuiWrk | nice |
| 16:49.56 | KamuiWrk | especially with "team" trailing |
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| 16:52.34 | lcuk2 | tigert, indeed |
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| 16:53.27 | tigert | then you fail to realize it doesnt communicate anything to the rest of the world |
| 16:53.32 | lcuk2 | the blog itself contains the best info, and great news about sampo and X-Fade and stuff but i just giggled like a schoolboy when i read the title |
| 16:54.11 | lcuk2 | http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/ for those thinking wtf and who dont want to search google |
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| 16:57.43 | tehif | where can i find libiw30, wireless-tools requires it |
| 16:58.28 | RST38h | tigert: Do you by any chance remember which icon size is used for "thumbnails" mode in Maemo4 file manager? |
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| 17:04.48 | wazd_e63 | back |
| 17:05.32 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 17:06.56 | matthew- | ok |
| 17:07.04 | matthew- | anyone wants to get some money ? :D |
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| 17:09.13 | wazd_e63 | i want to go home :( |
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| 17:09.44 | tigert | RST38h: sorry, no idea |
| 17:09.48 | tigert | maybe 64x64? |
| 17:09.54 | RST38h | wazd: Where are you at the moment? |
| 17:09.58 | tigert | the large view? |
| 17:10.11 | RST38h | tigert: Nope :( I suspect they are in scalable, but they are in fact somethign like 64x54 |
| 17:10.15 | RST38h | tigert: yes |
| 17:10.20 | wazd_e63 | Rst, still at my country, waiting for sister |
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| 17:11.11 | tigert | RST38h: right yeah |
| 17:11.13 | tigert | not square |
| 17:11.38 | tigert | I guess check the icon theme package |
| 17:11.44 | tigert | and see what folders there are |
| 17:11.46 | RST38h | wazd: But I see at least GPRS is working =) |
| 17:11.56 | Arkenoi | anyone has estimations of power consumption per protocol? say, what gives battery more drain: sip, xmpp or nokia messaging push? |
| 17:11.56 | RST38h | tigert: Already. |
| 17:12.07 | tigert | sorry cannot remember offhand |
| 17:12.08 | wazd_e63 | rst, yeah, thank god |
| 17:12.16 | RST38h | Neither sip nor xmpp consumes battery afaik |
| 17:12.17 | tigert | but 64x54 is like a good guess |
| 17:12.32 | RST38h | Well they keep connections up but that is it |
| 17:12.41 | wazd_e63 | Rst, or I'll be dead already) |
| 17:12.44 | RST38h | tigert: Not a guess: scped an icon from scalable and checked |
| 17:12.57 | Arkenoi | msn definitely does |
| 17:13.01 | RST38h | Arkenoi: the real sucker should be skype though |
| 17:13.07 | Arkenoi | there were numerous complains |
| 17:13.18 | Arkenoi | thank cthulhu i do not use skype |
| 17:13.32 | wazd_e63 | anything hot around maemo lately? |
| 17:13.44 | RST38h | wazd: Uploading emulators back (Maemo4 too) |
| 17:14.05 | Arkenoi | wazd, emulators, mymenu and power saving option |
| 17:14.10 | wazd_e63 | Rst, good, at last) |
| 17:14.45 | wazd_e63 | Arkenoi, mymenu - personal menu killer?) |
| 17:16.13 | jebba | does anyone know what this means, exactly? Are the svn servers being shut down entirely or being moved or what? I don't fully grok it http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023409.html |
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| 17:16.54 | LeoD | well, it will move to gitorious as i understand? |
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| 17:17.52 | lcuk2 | jebba, LeoD it will move somewhere soon |
| 17:18.14 | frals | uh, is stage svn == garage svn? |
| 17:18.46 | frals | also, when debugging, insert markers where you add stupid debug prints so you dont have to go through 2k lines of code to find it :( |
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| 17:21.55 | feri | jebba: stage svn != garage svn |
| 17:22.12 | feri | stage used to host those Nokia projects that were 1st opened up. |
| 17:22.28 | feri | the projects did not want to join garage, for some weird reason |
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| 17:22.43 | feri | so they needed an place, where they dumped the code |
| 17:22.47 | feri | that was stage. |
| 17:23.49 | feri | so don't worry, garage svn will not go anywhere. |
| 17:25.23 | KamuiWrk | jeebus |
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| 17:25.38 | KamuiWrk | its taking ages to scp my projects from my scratchbox to the scratchbox I just installed at work |
| 17:26.04 | RST38h | All right gentlemen, for the poor souls who still use N8x0s, I have uploaded iNES, VGB, and VGBA to Extras |
| 17:26.10 | RST38h | DIABLO Extras of course |
| 17:26.25 | KamuiWrk | poor? |
| 17:26.30 | KamuiWrk | the N810 is pretty nice |
| 17:26.42 | KamuiWrk | granted I love my N900, but I wish it had a bigger screen |
| 17:26.50 | RST38h | don't we all... |
| 17:26.51 | KamuiWrk | 4.3" would be perfect |
| 17:27.12 | KamuiWrk | that would have yielded room for a bigger 4 row keyboard and a dpad :-D |
| 17:27.14 | cehteh | buildin projector :P |
| 17:27.18 | KamuiWrk | lol |
| 17:27.26 | lcuk2 | coffeee machine |
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| 17:27.38 | lcuk2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.40 | lcuk2 | 2 |
| 17:27.40 | KamuiWrk | dude, Im sure we'll see a bt pico projector sooner or later |
| 17:28.20 | lcuk2 | i was using a projector recently that wasnt much bigger than a pair of n900s |
| 17:28.45 | Corsac | there already is a camera with an integrated projector |
| 17:28.52 | Corsac | don't remember its name though |
| 17:29.13 | zaheerm | a portable snow plough or shovel would be useful too |
| 17:29.53 | wazd_e63 | rst, poor souls already have these installed) |
| 17:30.08 | RST38h | well, slightly newer versions, anyway |
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| 17:30.56 | killefiz | anyone familiar with gstreamer stuff? According to some random webpages gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri="file:///home/user/MyDocs/wdr.mp3" is supposed to work. But all I get is: ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to preroll. |
| 17:31.26 | matthew- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.38 | matthew- | I can pay if someone will help me to do what this guy did: |
| 17:31.46 | matthew- | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=452877 |
| 17:32.36 | red | anyone recall a DOS -era game where some evil teacher locked up a kid with his dog into outside somewhere, and then some ship comes and steals the kids dog? |
| 17:32.53 | wazd_e63 | meh, I can't paste url into opera mobile |
| 17:33.05 | wazd_e63 | Kinda lame |
| 17:33.10 | matthew- | wazd_e63: It's Bloomberg anywhere on n900 |
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| 17:33.48 | wazd_e63 | Oh |
| 17:33.53 | zaheerm | killefiz, try using playbin2 instead |
| 17:34.10 | wazd_e63 | Even in bathroom?) |
| 17:34.21 | zaheerm | gst-launch playbin2 uri=file:///home/user/MyDocs/wdr.mp3 |
| 17:34.52 | killefiz | zaheerm: that works - thanks. |
| 17:35.13 | wazd_e63 | Damn, I want to do something( |
| 17:35.25 | wazd_e63 | Sick of doing nothing |
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| 17:37.59 | Arkenoi | doesn't bloomberg still provide terminal emulation access? |
| 17:38.54 | Arkenoi | it did back in x.25 days |
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| 17:40.44 | Arkenoi | End users can also make use of an extra service (Bloomberg Anywhere) that allows Web access to this Windows application via a Citrix client. |
| 17:40.52 | Arkenoi | ah, it is just web client |
| 17:41.29 | frals | any ideas on how i should show an error when trying to send? chuck it in a gtk.dialog? |
| 17:41.42 | frals | i tried just showing a hildon.banner but its kinda easy to miss |
| 17:41.55 | RST38h | there is a banner that you have to acknowledge |
| 17:42.04 | RST38h | Wide one, at the middle of the screen |
| 17:42.20 | frals | yeah i got that, but it seems i lose my osso connection for some reason so it doesnt show |
| 17:42.25 | frals | sometimes it does sometimes it doesnt |
| 17:42.33 | frals | should probably look in to why that is i guess |
| 17:42.49 | RST38h | "This is the test of UMD Emergency System. If it weren't a test you would be dead by now." |
| 17:42.51 | RST38h | Nice spam! |
| 17:43.08 | wazd_e63 | ))) |
| 17:43.32 | RST38h | wonders if anyone from maemo.org can confirm his maintainer applications for his own apps |
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| 17:44.58 | RST38h | moos at zap |
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| 17:46.03 | matthew- | any1 ?:D |
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| 17:47.45 | ifreq | matthew-: silence you fool!! |
| 17:48.14 | ifreq | *g* |
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| 17:52.18 | ifreq | matthew-: and the guy in vid says "if youre interested to get it working drop me an email" |
| 17:53.53 | matthew- | ifreq: Give me his email! |
| 17:55.11 | ifreq | get it from the video contact man |
| 17:55.45 | ifreq | you can even send him a message via youtube if youre registered user |
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| 17:55.51 | ifreq | now pay to my paypal acc :P |
| 17:56.00 | ifreq | ill accept 2500USD |
| 17:56.25 | matthew- | ifreq: I DID! |
| 17:57.10 | matthew- | no reply! |
| 17:57.51 | ifreq | im sure he will reply at some point |
| 17:57.55 | ifreq | youre in a hurry? |
| 17:58.22 | matthew- | well for a 2k/month subscription im paying i am in kinda :d |
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| 17:59.49 | ifreq | well you can try to find him on facebook |
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| 18:21.49 | corecode_ | 4are there efforts underway to replicate the functionality of the closed source (UI) components in opensource? |
| 18:21.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey gurus. (sorry if I asked this before...) Anybody heard about Nokia/Maemo considering to port the speech input from their Symbian/whatever OS to maemo? |
| 18:22.30 | matthew- | ifreq: get me his name then |
| 18:22.53 | ifreq | im not on your payroll |
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| 18:22.58 | ifreq | stop treating me like i am |
| 18:22.59 | ifreq | :) |
| 18:26.57 | RST38h | Hmmm...autobuilder is working on the evilplumber package |
| 18:27.04 | RST38h | possibilities boggle the mind |
| 18:30.57 | slonopotamus | evilplumper? o_O |
| 18:31.28 | siriusnova | :O |
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| 18:37.03 | jebba | ah feri thx, i just sent an email to maemo-devl 1 second ago |
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| 18:38.47 | mkargar | hello |
| 18:38.52 | mkargar | hello jebba |
| 18:39.39 | mkargar | i want install your custom kernel fro support NAT!do you recommended? |
| 18:39.49 | mkargar | *for |
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| 18:41.04 | mkargar | jebba:? |
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| 18:42.56 | mkargar | jebba:please help me!? |
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| 18:44.14 | feri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.10 | Markus23 | anyone had the idea to encrypt the filesystems on n900? |
| 18:50.23 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 18:50.26 | Markus23 | if the pin code could be used for that would be really nice :-) |
| 18:50.27 | SpeedEvil | rot13 |
| 18:50.42 | Markus23 | mmh, sounds very useless ;) |
| 18:50.47 | hrw | bye all |
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| 18:52.12 | Markus23 | is there a car navigation software with voice output? |
| 18:52.40 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 18:52.51 | SpeedEvil | IIRC 'navit' - using OSM - can do turn by turn. |
| 18:52.58 | Markus23 | Ok, maybe I have more luck with more technical questions |
| 18:52.59 | SpeedEvil | But it's not very great. |
| 18:53.05 | Markus23 | which libc is being used? |
| 18:53.28 | SpeedEvil | 2.5 |
| 18:53.36 | Markus23 | glibc? |
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| 18:54.05 | slonopotamus | is fremantle kernel a stock linux-omap or it is patched additionally? |
| 18:54.12 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 18:54.14 | Markus23 | and is it somewhat stripped down or full? |
| 18:54.16 | SpeedEvil | patched |
| 18:54.27 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: it's essentially a full linux system. |
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| 18:54.33 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, got a link to patches? |
| 18:54.34 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: I don't klnow exact versions. |
| 18:54.45 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: but for example - I just installed gnuplot from the repos |
| 18:54.59 | Markus23 | SpeedEvil: it works? |
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| 18:55.13 | Markus23 | mnemosyne would be very nice |
| 18:55.21 | Markus23 | will try the cross compile sde soon |
| 18:55.36 | Pavlov | anyone know debian packaging stuff? |
| 18:55.36 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: yep |
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| 18:55.52 | rlinfati | frals, Hi.... i test 1-5.... do not work with wind ( italy ) |
| 18:56.02 | frals | okey, crap |
| 18:56.12 | frals | thanks for testing |
| 18:56.12 | Markus23 | SpeedEvil: ok, thank you |
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| 18:56.31 | rlinfati | how i can help help for debug the problem? |
| 18:56.35 | SpeedEvil | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ |
| 18:56.39 | Markus23 | when will there be an update for maemo 5? |
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| 18:57.14 | Markus23 | There are many bugs.. and most are known |
| 18:57.28 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, thx |
| 18:57.39 | frals | rlinfati: not sure actually.. i have to go through my code again and make sure i generate valid messages i think :) |
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| 18:58.21 | jeff__ | morning all |
| 18:58.28 | frals | rlinfati: btw, try sending without adding the country code (+39 or what it is for italy) |
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| 19:00.28 | rlinfati | frals, MMSC RESPONDED: ���84304�����message-format-corrupt |
| 19:00.38 | frals | okey, thanks for trying |
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| 19:03.32 | Hukka | bilboed: Any idea on how to make pygst work on N900? |
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| 19:11.32 | rlinfati | frals, if i uncomment the line "mes.toFile(...) the error change to MMSC RESPONDED: ���4283�����Error-unsupported-message |
| 19:12.48 | frals | uh, thats weird since that line just saves the message to a file |
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| 19:16.52 | tona | what is maemo ? |
| 19:17.19 | SpeedEvil | maemo is a nokia OS for internet tablets, and the new n900 phone. |
| 19:17.32 | FIQ | An OS for nokia's Nxxx series |
| 19:17.36 | SpeedEvil | IT has elements of proprietoeryu software, and also lots of free software elelemnet.s |
| 19:17.56 | SpeedEvil | Mer is a distribution that is similar, without the proprietory stuff. |
| 19:18.01 | SpeedEvil | basically linux |
| 19:18.01 | tona | what do you mean with internet tablets |
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| 19:18.18 | SpeedEvil | 4" display + wifi + keyboard sometimes |
| 19:18.28 | Jeff91 | tona: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ |
| 19:19.38 | tona | what things can i do with maemo to my nokia phonecell |
| 19:19.55 | SpeedEvil | tona: ? |
| 19:20.05 | SpeedEvil | you buy a n900 |
| 19:20.05 | Hukka | Such a bad troll... not even really coherent |
| 19:20.15 | SpeedEvil | It comes with it. |
| 19:20.35 | tona | i am just asking |
| 19:21.23 | luke-jr | tona: where did you hear about Maemo? |
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| 19:21.52 | tona | i live at mexico and there is one company called telcel who sell n900, i just want to ask about this irc channel |
| 19:22.14 | SpeedEvil | Look at the wiki, and youtube |
| 19:22.33 | Markus23 | So nobody has an idea when an update for maemo 5 will be available? |
| 19:22.36 | toggles_w | wow, it's in the wild in mexico, why isn't it here.. |
| 19:22.45 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: what do you mean by update? |
| 19:23.16 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: the pr1.1 firmware is currently being tested by selected testers. |
| 19:23.17 | Markus23 | SpeedEvil: bug fixes of core system |
| 19:23.31 | SpeedEvil | Personally I haven't hit any major bugs, |
| 19:23.39 | Markus23 | no major bugs |
| 19:23.44 | SpeedEvil | What ones are irritationg you? Some can be worked around. |
| 19:23.48 | Markus23 | only annoying bugs |
| 19:24.00 | Markus23 | yes, can be "worked around" |
| 19:24.05 | frals | rlinfati: check query please :) |
| 19:24.09 | Markus23 | e.g. with microphones in gps did not work |
| 19:24.16 | Markus23 | workaround: no listening to music :-) |
| 19:24.37 | Markus23 | (or no gps tracking) |
| 19:24.57 | SpeedEvil | you mean headphones? |
| 19:25.28 | Markus23 | mmh, the headphones + microphones which are delieverd with the n900 |
| 19:25.43 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:26.09 | Markus23 | there are many other (small) bugs, but I would like to verify them first with pr1.1 firmware |
| 19:26.17 | Markus23 | bug reports is also a lot of work |
| 19:26.31 | Markus23 | especially if there are many unfixed ones |
| 19:27.34 | *** part/#maemo tona (n=administ@201.117.212.81) |
| 19:27.50 | SpeedEvil | You should apply to be a tester. Apparantly you send one blood relative to nokia, who keep them while you test the firmware. It's more secure than an NDA. |
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| 19:28.16 | Markus23 | why is it not public? |
| 19:28.35 | Markus23 | is it required to reflash to pr1.1 firmware |
| 19:28.40 | Markus23 | or simple apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 19:28.46 | Markus23 | or full-upgrade :-) |
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| 19:28.53 | SpeedEvil | Because nokia doesn't quite get open-source yet. |
| 19:29.07 | Markus23 | mmh, thought they do it very right with the things in the kernel |
| 19:29.14 | SpeedEvil | Even though many parts of the upgrade are already available from svn/... |
| 19:29.22 | Markus23 | I often readed that in the discussions about android kernel development |
| 19:29.27 | Markus23 | that maemo is doing it right |
| 19:29.32 | Markus23 | or the maemo team :-) |
| 19:29.49 | Markus23 | dont want to compile it myself :-) |
| 19:30.10 | SpeedEvil | This is almost the best linux device I've ever had from that perspective. |
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| 19:30.15 | SpeedEvil | (almost = eeepc) |
| 19:30.55 | range | SpeedEvil: Yeah, but it looks funny when you make a call with it. |
| 19:31.00 | range | (it = eeepc) |
| 19:31.22 | SpeedEvil | Some eeepcs do have cellular modems. |
| 19:31.28 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if they do voice though. |
| 19:31.59 | lcuk2 | sidetalkin |
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| 19:32.18 | lcuk2 | ring ring |
| 19:32.21 | lcuk2 | "HELLO?" |
| 19:32.28 | lcuk2 | "IM IN THE LIBRARY" |
| 19:32.34 | *** join/#maemo sv (n=adas@136.182.2.26) |
| 19:32.34 | lcuk2 | "TALKING ON MY EEEPC" |
| 19:32.51 | range | *snicker* |
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| 19:33.11 | range | Forgot which show that was. |
| 19:33.18 | RST38h | lcuk: Has your EEEPC got a broken CapsLock? =) |
| 19:33.26 | sv | does installing fennec overwrite the default n900 browser? or can i have both? |
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| 19:33.38 | SpeedEvil | Can have both |
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| 19:33.47 | SpeedEvil | range: : dom jolly |
| 19:33.48 | sv | Speedevil: thanks |
| 19:33.51 | range | But since that show I cannot listen to the bog standard nokia ringtone anymore without imagining someone shouting into his phone in a few seconds. |
| 19:34.05 | range | SpeedEvil: Ah. Had a different name over in Germany. |
| 19:34.32 | xorAxAx | trigger happy tv |
| 19:34.39 | range | That was it. |
| 19:37.10 | lcuk2 | RST38h, YES, SORRY I HAD A CALL ON ANOTHER LINE |
| 19:40.13 | wazd_e63 | use onscreen keyboard, lcuk |
| 19:40.33 | lcuk2 | the eeepc doesnt have touchscreen |
| 19:40.57 | toggles_w | where is the on screen keyboard, i haven't seen it yet |
| 19:41.00 | wazd_e63 | mouse?) |
| 19:41.03 | lcuk2 | ive seen it |
| 19:41.05 | lcuk2 | never used it |
| 19:41.25 | lcuk2 | rly likes the hard keyboard |
| 19:42.13 | wazd_e63 | there is a slight chance that I'll be home today... |
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| 19:43.04 | toggles_w | i like the hw too, im glad the virtual stays away |
| 19:43.38 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: you turn it on in settings -> input |
| 19:43.42 | SpeedEvil | it is handy. |
| 19:43.46 | wazd_e63 | e63 small keys are 100% comfortable, I think n900 could have smaller rounded keys too |
| 19:43.46 | SpeedEvil | esp with gloves. |
| 19:44.25 | wazd_e63 | For both one and two handn input btw |
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| 19:44.35 | wazd_e63 | meh, too fast) |
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| 19:44.49 | toggles_w | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 19:44.56 | recalcati | good morning |
| 19:45.03 | jafd | wazd_e63: smaller are in E71. I would say, they are evil |
| 19:45.29 | wazd_e63 | Yeah, heard that feedback too |
| 19:45.33 | SpeedEvil | I was surprised yesterday on trying it that with maybe 3-4 hours practice, I get 92% or so accuracy typing blind. |
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| 19:45.38 | wazd_e63 | That was the point for e63 |
| 19:46.05 | recalcati | I got my N900 in 23th december. |
| 19:46.12 | wazd_e63 | E71 was made for one handed use only I think |
| 19:46.39 | lcuk2 | wazd |
| 19:46.42 | recalcati | Now I need to sync addressbook to my pc. I saw some interesting here http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/syncevolution_in_fremantle/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=2 |
| 19:46.42 | lcuk2 | slide out irc |
| 19:46.44 | RST38h | The one handed use has always been the best feature of S60 phones |
| 19:46.44 | jafd | wazd_e63: think typing an SMS when it's like -30 Celsius outside, when you feel your ass is stoning. |
| 19:46.54 | lcuk2 | how do you intend folding up the slide in panels |
| 19:47.06 | RST38h | jafd: At -30C, you are not typing SMSes |
| 19:47.17 | jafd | RST38h: I did once |
| 19:47.18 | RST38h | jafd: You head straight home |
| 19:47.20 | SpeedEvil | I have used my keyboard to IRC at -6. |
| 19:47.24 | SpeedEvil | with gloves. |
| 19:47.24 | wazd_e63 | You're calling 112)) |
| 19:48.39 | recalcati | I saw SyncEvolution 0.9.1 built for maemo. but how can I proceed ? I'm an embedded developer, but where to start for hacking ? What is the root password, or sudo one? |
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| 19:49.05 | jafd | Maybe Morse input would be the best? You are tapping the microphone and it's acting like Morse key... |
| 19:49.07 | FIQ | use rootsh |
| 19:49.26 | jafd | recalcati: sudo gainroot worked back in N810 |
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| 19:49.54 | FIQ | doesn't you need some random app for that? |
| 19:50.01 | SpeedEvil | jafd: accellerometer can do tap input |
| 19:50.17 | FIQ | like, get rootsh, type 'sudo gainroot' and you're root |
| 19:50.43 | recalcati | FIQ: from n900 xterminal I typed rootsh but it doesn't exist. So I guess I'm wrong |
| 19:51.09 | recalcati | sudo gainroot .... ok ! |
| 19:51.47 | jafd | SpeedEvil: well it's better then than it was a while ago. The perfect suite is, of course, SMS reader which translates messages to Morse, and you can tap commands and replies. And you don't need to take the device out of your pocket. |
| 19:52.28 | SpeedEvil | cons: Looks like you're masturbating. |
| 19:52.32 | *** part/#maemo neal (n=neal@c-24-91-125-189.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:52.42 | RST38h | lcuk: Got a URL to the hardware scaline recipe from konttori? |
| 19:52.51 | RST38h | scaling sorry |
| 19:53.43 | lcuk2 | dunno which you mean? |
| 19:53.51 | lcuk2 | you will have to ask him tomorrow |
| 19:53.58 | lcuk2 | or later if he ocmes on |
| 19:54.00 | RST38h | there is a way to create scaled windows |
| 19:54.09 | RST38h | using actor-something widget |
| 19:54.31 | RST38h | ah found it |
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| 19:59.08 | recalcati | FIQ: sudo gainroot .... replies : "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" and I'm not root ... ping doens't work |
| 20:00.07 | jafd_ | recalcati: ah yeah, you need to enable R&D mode, maybe with flasher |
| 20:00.11 | Jeff91 | recalcati: Did you install the rotsh package? |
| 20:00.17 | Jeff91 | rootsh* |
| 20:01.10 | recalcati | I've installed all packages available. what is rootsh ? |
| 20:01.29 | jafd_ | recalcati: apt-cache policy rootsh |
| 20:02.08 | Jeff91 | recalcati: Its in the maemo extras - it allows you to use "sudo gainroot" |
| 20:05.20 | recalcati | I'm sorry for so easy question. I need only an intro for hacking |
| 20:05.42 | recalcati | I did apt-get, but It request again root rights |
| 20:06.14 | Jeff91 | recalcati: Install the rootsh package (Forthe second time thehehe) |
| 20:06.16 | recalcati | So, I need only an intro, I don't want to disturb everybody |
| 20:07.00 | lcuk2 | recalcati, buy an axe, or experiment with linux hacking |
| 20:07.18 | FIQ | Open the package manager, search for "root", pick rootsh |
| 20:07.23 | lcuk2 | linux hacking 101 is basically the same as maemo hacking 101 |
| 20:07.36 | FIQ | how hard could it be? :< |
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| 20:07.48 | frals | bashes his head against MMS "standards" |
| 20:07.52 | lcuk2 | FIQ, so he can sit there with a root sell |
| 20:07.54 | Jeff91 | The Maemo Extras is not enabled by default - enable it in your software catalogs |
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| 20:08.01 | Jeff91 | frals: LOL |
| 20:08.02 | lcuk2 | if he doesnt know what to do wit it it will just be useless |
| 20:08.12 | FIQ | hm |
| 20:08.19 | frals | loving how my MMSC accepts my message just fine, but lots reject them because they are "corrupted" |
| 20:08.19 | FIQ | you got a point there |
| 20:08.35 | Jeff91 | brb changing laptops |
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| 20:09.04 | lcuk2 | frals, ok, can your test app add multiple attachments? |
| 20:09.14 | frals | not yet no |
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| 20:09.25 | lcuk2 | do you enforce the doctype and character encoding etc? |
| 20:09.34 | Mysterious | Hello everybody. I installed the aircrack-ng suite on my n900. i am able to run aircrack-ng but airmon-ng ect. weren't found |
| 20:09.34 | lcuk2 | do you use a fixed xml parser or hand written? |
| 20:09.55 | frals | xml parser *shrug* got a smilparser here ;-) |
| 20:10.26 | frals | char encoding and everything is set like it should be |
| 20:10.30 | lcuk2 | fiq, recalcati we are in need of a really simple maemo hacking 101, if parts of your discussings could be turned into a few simple exercises for people (and stored on the wiki) it will help those who follow |
| 20:10.38 | recalcati | lcuk2: I'd like to understand maemo as better as possible. And I don't want to disturn all you. The first thing was the sync with syncevolution |
| 20:10.47 | frals | the things is it rejects it even if there is no attachment (except for text) |
| 20:11.02 | recalcati | lcuk2: ok, it will be done. |
| 20:11.10 | lcuk2 | frals, different servers in different parts of the world |
| 20:11.13 | frals | i even installed nowSMS on this machine and it doesnt complaing about the MMS :( |
| 20:11.24 | lcuk2 | recalcati, since you are hacking from the start, it makes sense to document your progress |
| 20:11.27 | frals | yeah |
| 20:11.49 | recalcati | lcuk2: I first write in my own wiki, and, when you want, I put on yours. Or different... as you prefer |
| 20:12.06 | lcuk2 | recalcati, our wiki :) wiki.maemo.org |
| 20:12.09 | MSameer | I can try to send it from here if you have such an MMS |
| 20:12.25 | MSameer | hoping my operator will be more picky :) |
| 20:12.33 | lcuk2 | not for me :) for everyone who follows you |
| 20:12.47 | lcuk2 | syncing |
| 20:12.55 | lcuk2 | doesnt know who uses it |
| 20:13.02 | lcuk2 | so cant really help with that bit im afraid |
| 20:13.10 | lcuk2 | someone will tho |
| 20:13.11 | FIQ | 1 week to go, and then, sellers will get new N900's in their stock. : D |
| 20:13.23 | frals | MSameer: sure, sec and ill get you a link |
| 20:13.49 | lcuk2 | recalcati, what were you wanting root for? |
| 20:14.09 | recalcati | lcuk2: ok. tell me the name of the page. Can be "N900 hacking: first step" ? |
| 20:14.25 | lcuk2 | what would you expect it to be called |
| 20:14.33 | lcuk2 | you came here looking |
| 20:14.39 | recalcati | I need to sync, in an open manner, my sync. I dislike google, and other horrible things |
| 20:14.58 | lcuk2 | ok, so you need to setup an app to sync for you |
| 20:15.01 | lcuk2 | or you have one in mind |
| 20:15.18 | lcuk2 | i do most of my syncing from my desktop pc |
| 20:15.30 | recalcati | I saw http://people.debian.org/~ovek/maemo/ deb package |
| 20:15.31 | lcuk2 | i simply have ssh installed on all my computers |
| 20:15.35 | recalcati | for syncevolution |
| 20:15.42 | lcuk2 | and use scp to copy stuffs |
| 20:15.47 | recalcati | so easy ? |
| 20:15.54 | lcuk2 | for my uses yeah |
| 20:16.06 | toggles_w | i use git, but it wont pull on the n900 for some reason |
| 20:16.07 | lcuk2 | but thats just file copy |
| 20:16.09 | lcuk2 | not really sync |
| 20:16.14 | lcuk2 | the only sync i do is git |
| 20:16.18 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 20:16.25 | lcuk2 | is it a git: url? |
| 20:16.28 | lcuk2 | or a https: one |
| 20:16.52 | toggles_w | dunno, git clone server:/path |
| 20:16.56 | recalcati | lcuk2: you know n900 dir , I don't |
| 20:16.59 | toggles_w | clones ok, but wont pull |
| 20:17.02 | lcuk2 | yah, what server |
| 20:17.08 | toggles_w | my server ;-) |
| 20:17.16 | toggles_w | just uses ssh i think |
| 20:17.24 | toggles_w | or at least i thought |
| 20:17.26 | lcuk2 | git: protocol, or https: for the server name |
| 20:17.29 | frals | MSameer: dropped you a link in query |
| 20:17.54 | lcuk2 | toggles_w, pm the actual git clone line ;) |
| 20:17.54 | toggles_w | just as above, i don't put git: or https, so I assume it defaults to git over ssh |
| 20:18.07 | MSameer | frals: I have it |
| 20:18.14 | lcuk2 | never tried that, i wouldnt know what its doing |
| 20:18.26 | lcuk2 | but i *do* know, the git-core i had was compiled without https support |
| 20:18.33 | recalcati | addressbook .. I'd like also an open addressbook fornat in order to move my contacts from one phone to another easily. |
| 20:18.51 | toggles_w | lcuk2: ahh.. well now, that's interesting... thanks mate |
| 20:19.25 | lcuk2 | toggles_w, for months i used it happily to a server which had git: protocol stuff |
| 20:19.30 | lcuk2 | and it worked happily both ways |
| 20:19.38 | lcuk2 | then i changed to a https: one and my heart sank |
| 20:19.45 | recalcati | lcuk2: anyway .. I don't have ssh |
| 20:19.52 | toggles_w | lol, i need to look at it i suppose |
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| 20:20.17 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 20:20.59 | Markus23 | someone has sip running for a test call :-) ? |
| 20:21.02 | recalcati | lcuk2: I have to go. See oyu tomorrow. bye bye |
| 20:21.27 | lcuk2 | \o recalcati gnite |
| 20:21.42 | recalcati | good nite |
| 20:21.44 | Markus23 | call me 8737952@sipgate.at |
| 20:21.54 | Markus23 | or (+43) 720 - 737952 |
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| 20:23.39 | Markus23 | come on guys, call me |
| 20:23.49 | Markus23 | just want to test if mic is working too :-) |
| 20:24.19 | Markus23 | my girlfriend refuses to install and setup sip :-) |
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| 20:25.06 | lcuk2 | Markus23, get a new girlfriend then ;) |
| 20:25.26 | Markus23 | *lol* |
| 20:25.27 | toggles_w | LOL, i'd do it but I'm at work, no wifi here |
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| 20:26.23 | Markus23 | ok, i am waiting, but will go offline in chat :-) |
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| 20:27.51 | mkargar | hello |
| 20:28.23 | lcuk2 | toggles_w, do you tihnk hes actually sat waiting for us to call him |
| 20:28.32 | lcuk2 | hi mkargar |
| 20:28.51 | toggles_w | lcuk2: lol, dunno, i'd call but i don't have a sim, need wifi and none at work |
| 20:29.12 | lcuk2 | im thinking using his details to signup to exciting promotional offers |
| 20:29.22 | toggles_w | LOL |
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| 20:29.57 | mkargar | jebba:are you here? |
| 20:33.04 | RST38h | hmm...is hildon_animation_actor supposed to work in PR1.0? |
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| 20:40.39 | wazd_e63 | weee, I'm heading home |
| 20:40.47 | wazd_e63 | cries |
| 20:40.58 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 20:44.20 | Kamui | yawn |
| 20:45.52 | wazd_e63 | i didn't get the point of mymenu |
| 20:46.03 | wazd_e63 | What is it?) |
| 20:47.19 | RST38h | frees you from the need to scroll the apps menu |
| 20:47.25 | lcuk2 | no |
| 20:47.31 | lcuk2 | it categorises your stuff |
| 20:47.33 | RST38h | ? |
| 20:47.48 | lcuk2 | can still scroll if you have lots of one category i assume |
| 20:47.57 | wazd_e63 | It looks like it is hardcoded |
| 20:48.15 | Caesium | it's early days for the app though, I assume he'll make it configurable? |
| 20:48.17 | wazd_e63 | from tmo thread |
| 20:48.56 | RST38h | Maemo5 own apps menu is configurable and allows folders |
| 20:49.07 | RST38h | This functionality is not exposed to the users yet though |
| 20:49.37 | cehteh | hehe .. most basic features are hold back |
| 20:50.36 | wazd_e63 | Fiferboy should make personal menu for maemo 5) |
| 20:51.00 | wazd_e63 | With terminal commands launch and stuff) |
| 20:52.15 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 20:52.25 | wazd_e63 | Rst, see ya |
| 20:52.47 | wazd_e63 | Rst, merry christmas and stuff :D |
| 20:52.48 | RST38h | Please add us to your spam filter if you would like to continue |
| 20:52.48 | RST38h | receiving emails of our current promotions and discounts. You must |
| 20:52.49 | RST38h | enable HTML and images to view this e-mail properly, or click here to |
| 20:52.49 | RST38h | view this message in your web browser. |
| 20:53.04 | RST38h | (this is what an email from an idiot looks like) |
| 20:53.15 | toggles_w | lol |
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| 20:55.10 | t_s_o | heh, i find myself sitting here thinking, cortex tablet+vuzix with stereo camera and compass+perigrine glove would make for a interesting combo |
| 20:55.37 | RST38h | t_s_o: You are forgetting something. |
| 20:55.41 | RST38h | Something important. |
| 20:56.10 | t_s_o | would not surprise me ;) |
| 20:56.43 | RST38h | t_s_o: like USB penis attachment. |
| 20:56.48 | RST38h | goes to sleep happy now. |
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| 20:57.34 | t_s_o | :P |
| 21:01.41 | tigert | ghhhhhhy |
| 21:01.52 | tigert | that was teh cat |
| 21:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | Lies. |
| 21:02.43 | tybollt | awww |
| 21:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly it's a password to something important. |
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| 21:03.13 | Shadikka | <insert hunter2-joke here> |
| 21:03.19 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: How's the weather? |
| 21:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, brrrr. |
| 21:03.28 | fiferboy | :) |
| 21:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | Was in the 20s when I left the house this morning. |
| 21:04.12 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I hear orange juice prices have hit a 2-year high |
| 21:04.24 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just glad I have a Mac Pro in here to keep things juicy. |
| 21:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | hasn't noticed. |
| 21:04.41 | GeneralAntilles | s/juicy/comfortable/ |
| 21:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, damn your orange juice and its Freudian slips. :P |
| 21:04.58 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: It does the job :) |
| 21:05.21 | Jef91 | Anyone here have experience with scratchbox? |
| 21:05.30 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, how's the kid? |
| 21:05.56 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Very advanced. Rolling over at 7 weeks makes for a handful |
| 21:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, hehe. Did you get lots of good pictures of the first Christmas with your N900? ;) |
| 21:07.16 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Yes, especially since I left my SLR at my in-laws on Christmas Eve :| |
| 21:07.17 | Pavlov | wonders where his nexus one is |
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| 21:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | Oops! |
| 21:07.29 | nezb | wonders the same thing |
| 21:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, it's over there in the corner with the rest of your fail. :P |
| 21:07.41 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Second time the N900 camera has saved the day |
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| 21:07.53 | fiferboy | The first was when my son was born, and I forgot my SLR at home |
| 21:07.54 | Jef91 | Pavlov: They are shipping Nexus Ones already? |
| 21:07.54 | Pavlov | you should work on your insults for a while and try again later |
| 21:08.00 | Pavlov | Jef91: they were supposed to ship yesterday |
| 21:08.09 | nezb | did you get an engraving? |
| 21:08.12 | Jef91 | Pavlov: Shoot, got a link? |
| 21:08.17 | nezb | google.com/phone.... |
| 21:08.19 | Pavlov | google.com/phone |
| 21:08.33 | Jef91 | haha very good. |
| 21:08.50 | nezb | it's on google's homepage today |
| 21:09.11 | Jef91 | I wish the N900 had a mousing ball on it |
| 21:09.40 | lcuk2 | the n900 is more feminie to touch |
| 21:09.40 | Jef91 | I got really used to having one of those on my BB |
| 21:09.43 | lcuk2 | it likes to be stroked |
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| 21:09.49 | lcuk2 | if it had balls i would feel odd |
| 21:09.50 | Jef91 | lol |
| 21:09.55 | nezb | >_> |
| 21:10.28 | Jef91 | wow the Nexus One lacks internal storage hardcore |
| 21:10.46 | range | What? No storable porn on it? |
| 21:11.01 | nezb | yeah. and android doesn't help by not letting you store apps on the microSD cards |
| 21:11.09 | Jef91 | range: Pff, who downloads porn anymore? |
| 21:11.27 | nezb | it's all about streaming videos nowadays |
| 21:11.37 | Jef91 | Haha yep. |
| 21:11.39 | nezb | good thing the N900 has Flash support! |
| 21:11.46 | Jef91 | w00t |
| 21:11.47 | nezb | for like... youtube... |
| 21:11.49 | nezb | right |
| 21:11.55 | range | lol |
| 21:11.55 | Jef91 | winks |
| 21:12.36 | wazd_e63 | optical scroll is the new trackball |
| 21:12.47 | nezb | optical scroll is epic cool |
| 21:13.08 | wazd_e63 | it doesn't hurt your male feelings) |
| 21:13.22 | Jef91 | Grr, it irks me that I can't get scratchbox working today is my last free day for awhile |
| 21:13.33 | MohammadAG | screw u google |
| 21:13.34 | MohammadAG | Sorry, the Nexus One phone is not available in your country |
| 21:13.47 | nezb | fail |
| 21:13.56 | wirelessdreamer | has anyone else here seen strange behavior between bh-905 headphones and the n900? they seem fine if I have the phone initiate the connection, but if i have the headset reconnect, I usually get audio skips and jitter |
| 21:14.01 | Jef91 | MohammadAG: For 50$ I'll order it to myself and ship it to you ;) |
| 21:14.04 | MohammadAG | then again, what is available in |
| 21:14.13 | nezb | where you live? |
| 21:14.21 | MohammadAG | Jef91, haha no need mate. Got my N900 on the 28th of Dec |
| 21:14.26 | wazd_e63 | At least they doesn't say "sorry, we can ship it anywhere but Russia" :D |
| 21:14.29 | MohammadAG | Jerusalem, Israel/Palestine |
| 21:14.37 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:14.52 | nezb | I have a friend taking a trip there next month! |
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| 21:15.06 | MohammadAG | nezb, tell him to cancel it! |
| 21:15.07 | MohammadAG | :p |
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| 21:15.15 | hcarrega | wirelessdreamer: |
| 21:15.18 | nezb | why? maybe he can bring you the phone :P |
| 21:15.21 | hcarrega | works fine with me |
| 21:15.25 | wazd_e63 | Someone in my train watches live from CtS Cathedral on TV |
| 21:15.36 | MohammadAG | nezb, lol I don't want it, <3 linux |
| 21:15.38 | wazd_e63 | Damn 21st century) |
| 21:15.46 | nezb | meh, Android runs on top of the Linux kernel |
| 21:15.51 | nezb | weird userland though |
| 21:15.51 | MohammadAG | open linux that is, not the crippled one that is android |
| 21:15.58 | MohammadAG | ^ :) |
| 21:15.59 | wirelessdreamer | hcarrega: i've had 2 or 3 times where the audio just keeps cutting out, thanks for the feedback |
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| 21:16.12 | hcarrega | wierdo |
| 21:16.21 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: minor heads up, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=456222&postcount=1 is dangerous field to base anything off :P |
| 21:16.46 | Stskeeps | (a lot of copyrighted material in that zip) |
| 21:16.48 | MohammadAG | nezb, and it's enough that I imported the N900 |
| 21:16.50 | wazd_e63 | i can't paste links to opera( |
| 21:17.04 | wazd_e63 | Sts, what's all about? |
| 21:17.14 | MohammadAG | had to pay a three digit number that has a 7 on the left side |
| 21:17.20 | MohammadAG | had* |
| 21:17.22 | nezb | Stskeeps - the URL was removed anyway |
| 21:17.27 | nezb | MohammadAG - *gasp* :o |
| 21:17.33 | Stskeeps | nezb: yeah, just noticed it |
| 21:17.45 | Jef91 | what is the Nexus One running cost wise? |
| 21:18.00 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: someone posting a dump of svg icons from nokia devices plus symbian community.. the first part is obviously not good :P |
| 21:18.12 | MohammadAG | nezb, I already tried Jordan (where there is an official Nokia store) and they said it wasn't coming |
| 21:18.19 | nezb | jef91 - $530 without contract |
| 21:18.23 | wazd_e63 | stskeeps, muhaha |
| 21:18.24 | nezb | it's on the site |
| 21:18.27 | MohammadAG | ironically though, customer support said it was there |
| 21:18.39 | MohammadAG | service*, what's with me today |
| 21:18.40 | nezb | MohammadAG - shows what they know . . . |
| 21:18.53 | wazd_e63 | Sts, I hope you've backed them up? ) |
| 21:18.54 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: the heads up was mostly that we will be anally raped if we use those icons in for instance mer ;) |
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| 21:19.02 | MohammadAG | nezb, heh, the ME sucks |
| 21:19.24 | wazd_e63 | sts, I can use them in my mockups) |
| 21:20.05 | nezb | phones are expensive . . . |
| 21:20.16 | wazd_e63 | Sts, and yeah, they are overacting, these icons are not that good to kill for) |
| 21:21.48 | Jef91 | its a shame this Nexus runs Andriod |
| 21:21.50 | Jef91 | and not Maemo |
| 21:21.55 | Jef91 | The tech specs are fucking sexy |
| 21:21.55 | MohammadAG | nezb, old phones weren't any better |
| 21:22.04 | MohammadAG | Jef91, I would've killed myself |
| 21:22.20 | nezb | but you would think that the ipod touch being only $200, with similar hardware, and sold for a profit.... |
| 21:22.32 | nezb | adding a cellular radio can't be $200? |
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| 21:22.56 | Mousey | dislikes cellular radios |
| 21:23.16 | nezb | it's a shame there is nothing like an "ipod touch" that runs Maemo |
| 21:23.22 | ifreq | likes turtles |
| 21:23.26 | Mousey | nezb: it's called the n810 |
| 21:23.41 | nezb | Mousey: that's only Maemo 4 |
| 21:23.49 | Mousey | or mer |
| 21:23.57 | nezb | true |
| 21:23.57 | toggles_w | mermantle |
| 21:24.15 | jX | well, I wouldn't say the 810 is on the same level as the touch. the touch has hardware accellerated gfx while the 810 doesn't |
| 21:24.20 | jX | which makes it significantly slower. |
| 21:24.27 | ifreq | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y |
| 21:24.48 | nezb | what is that video? |
| 21:25.00 | jX | I like turtles |
| 21:25.03 | ifreq | me and the kid on video likes turtles :P |
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| 21:25.13 | nezb | turtles! |
| 21:25.18 | nezb | that was a 2009 meme ;p |
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| 21:25.31 | ifreq | i know! |
| 21:25.37 | jX | way older than 2009 |
| 21:25.41 | nezb | jX: correct. it would be nice to be able to develop for the N900 without having to buy the whole piece of phone hardware |
| 21:26.01 | GregoryRasputin | loves MohammadAG |
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| 21:26.10 | jX | nezb: the phone hardware doesn't add that much cost to the device |
| 21:26.16 | jX | the 810 cost nearly as much when it was introed |
| 21:26.18 | MohammadAG | GregoryRasputin, get a life idiot |
| 21:26.21 | jX | also, you don't have to use it. |
| 21:26.26 | jX | itesn't require a SIM. |
| 21:26.29 | GregoryRasputin | Sit on my face |
| 21:26.33 | jX | you can still use it with wifi. |
| 21:26.45 | nezb | jX: I bought the n800 when it came out and it was only $399.... the n900 is $560... that's a $160 difference |
| 21:27.13 | jX | the 900 has a lot more than the 800 did, even compared to time-comparable offerings |
| 21:27.15 | nezb | Wtf GregoryRasputin? |
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| 21:27.45 | go1dfish | that was what, 2 years ago? |
| 21:27.55 | go1dfish | would be curious the price difference in a diff currency |
| 21:28.37 | go1dfish | our country has been printing more paper than the newspapers lately |
| 21:29.09 | jX | I think the 800 came out in 07 |
| 21:29.17 | jX | actually I know it did |
| 21:29.20 | nezb | what does wikipedia say? |
| 21:29.22 | jX | january 07, so exactly 3 years ago |
| 21:30.00 | nezb | in 3 years technology has come a long way |
| 21:30.25 | nezb | 10 years ago people thought we would have brain-chip implanted computers >_> |
| 21:30.28 | GeneralAntilles | nezb, so, you're comparing the N810's after-release reduced price to the N900's release price? . . . |
| 21:30.43 | nezb | No. The N800 intro price to the N900 intro price. |
| 21:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | nezb, N810 is a more valid comparison. |
| 21:31.02 | MohammadAG | LOL <nezb> 10 years ago people thought we would have brain-chip implanted computers >_> |
| 21:31.10 | nezb | I never bought an N810 though, so I can't comment on it |
| 21:31.13 | slonopotamus | err |
| 21:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | Inflation and exchange rates are involved when you're comparing Spring 2007 to Winter 2009. |
| 21:31.18 | nezb | The N810 and N800 have almost identical hardware |
| 21:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | nezb, almost, but not quite. |
| 21:31.31 | slonopotamus | how i send sms without adding number to contacts? |
| 21:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | nezb, the N810 launched at $479 |
| 21:31.50 | nezb | slonopotamus: just type the number in the To: box, use the blue key to enter numbers |
| 21:31.55 | GeneralAntilles | Which is about what you can get the N900 on sale for, so, :shrug: |
| 21:32.12 | nezb | I've never seen the N900 for less than $540 :\ |
| 21:32.17 | MohammadAG | nokia do fail sometimes http://thenokiablog.com/2010/01/06/nokia-mystic-leak-or-fake/ |
| 21:32.20 | slonopotamus | nezb, 'to' box? in what window? |
| 21:32.32 | jX | nezb: during the christmas season it was routinely available around 500 to 520 |
| 21:32.33 | nezb | slonopotamus: when you tap "new sms" |
| 21:32.39 | jX | and with Nokia's $50 rebate that made it even less |
| 21:32.40 | slonopotamus | where??? |
| 21:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | nezb, you've not been looking very hard. |
| 21:32.52 | nezb | jX: when I bought it on pre-order in November I paid NewEgg $560. |
| 21:32.54 | slonopotamus | nezb, where is 'new sms'? |
| 21:32.56 | go1dfish | MohammadAG: sometimes they are surprisingly good though, I knew about the rover for over a year before it started leaking online |
| 21:33.04 | nezb | slonopotamus: at the top of the conversations app? |
| 21:33.05 | jX | nezb: I'm sorry to hear that, you over paid. |
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| 21:33.12 | nezb | jX: =( |
| 21:33.20 | nezb | Hopefully my rebate gets here soon |
| 21:33.26 | MohammadAG | go1dfish, well the rover/N900 is good, but look at that leak |
| 21:33.29 | nezb | I knew I wanted the phone at first sight |
| 21:33.34 | slonopotamus | ah crap |
| 21:33.37 | MohammadAG | the flash and cam are stuck together |
| 21:33.41 | slonopotamus | i scrolled down |
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| 21:34.18 | nezb | what is this nokia mystic? |
| 21:34.19 | go1dfish | wtf, are they both behind the same piece of glass? |
| 21:34.22 | go1dfish | that can't work well |
| 21:34.25 | jX | nezb: before rebates I would have paid $515 to buy.com, but I cancelled that and paid dell $520. I could have gotten it for $500 from newegg the day before thanksgiving but they sold out FAST |
| 21:34.34 | jX | after rebate, mine will have cost $470 |
| 21:34.59 | nezb | oh well... I got it for a price I thought was fair... not going to argue |
| 21:35.06 | jX | hey, I still say you got a good deal |
| 21:35.12 | jX | considering list price and all |
| 21:35.18 | jX | you probably got it long before I did too |
| 21:35.24 | jX | didn't get mine till dec 29 |
| 21:35.30 | MohammadAG | ordered it through dell for 450 I think (with the rebate), they didn't accept my card though :( |
| 21:35.32 | jX | I'd have had it 2 weeks sooner had I not decided to try buy.com |
| 21:35.34 | nezb | I got mine first week of december |
| 21:35.42 | jX | yeah, you had yours weeks ahead of me. |
| 21:35.46 | MohammadAG | so I ended up paying 566 from Amazon (and I got a special 3 week delay) |
| 21:35.47 | nezb | woo! |
| 21:35.57 | tybollt | MohammadAG: :-/ |
| 21:36.02 | nezb | 3 week delays are always fun... right? :/ |
| 21:36.08 | tybollt | but then, that's ebay for ya >:-/ |
| 21:36.09 | jX | I now hate buy.com for that |
| 21:36.13 | GeneralAntilles | whistles innocently at $370. |
| 21:36.14 | tybollt | ehr |
| 21:36.17 | tybollt | amazon |
| 21:36.18 | jX | GeneralAntilles: We all hat eyou |
| 21:36.21 | jX | all of us. |
| 21:36.22 | MohammadAG | nezb, yeah, totally |
| 21:36.22 | nezb | ebay people are scammin' |
| 21:36.23 | jX | I just took a poll. |
| 21:36.31 | slonopotamus | smiles |
| 21:36.41 | nezb | sighs nervously |
| 21:36.43 | MohammadAG | tybollt, ordered on the 3rd, shipped on the 18th |
| 21:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | Plus the first one I got in September. :P |
| 21:36.54 | jX | you have inside tracks, so you suck. |
| 21:36.55 | GeneralAntilles | See, karma whoring pays, kids! |
| 21:36.58 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: I found a place to buy it for $320, but everyone seems to think it's a scam :( |
| 21:36.59 | MohammadAG | 2 week actually, the other 1 was from dell |
| 21:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, Nokla N900? |
| 21:37.17 | nezb | "karma whoring may pay off, but at the end you're still a whore" |
| 21:37.18 | go1dfish | heh, I got mine in early november, got lucky in a raffle at a dev event in san jose |
| 21:37.22 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: yes |
| 21:37.24 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: no |
| 21:37.28 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: it's an i :p |
| 21:37.54 | jX | GeneralAntilles flies in ONE important battle, and bam, he's first in line for new kit. |
| 21:37.58 | ifreq | luke-jr: no one still cant sell it for such price unless they are clones/fake sell/stolen |
| 21:38.00 | jX | fuckign Jedis playing favorites. |
| 21:38.01 | luke-jr | "Nokia N900 Mobile Computer Unlocked" |
| 21:38.03 | ifreq | :) |
| 21:38.09 | ifreq | unlocked!! cool |
| 21:38.12 | nezb | where? |
| 21:38.17 | ifreq | it came with a key luke-jr ? |
| 21:38.20 | ifreq | :) |
| 21:38.37 | nezb | ...ifreq: your N900 didn't include a key? |
| 21:38.43 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, locked one is even cheaper? |
| 21:38.45 | nezb | mine sure did :D |
| 21:38.45 | luke-jr | nezb: http://bruthjr.myshopify.com/products/nokia-n900-mobile-computer-unlocked?utm_source=google-product-search |
| 21:38.45 | GeneralAntilles | nezb, a whore with 2 N900s, mind you. ;) |
| 21:38.48 | ifreq | nope, it was keyless :/ |
| 21:39.00 | nezb | ifreq: :( |
| 21:39.01 | GeneralAntilles | jX, at least 2! |
| 21:39.06 | GeneralAntilles | Death Star I and II |
| 21:39.07 | nezb | GeneralAntilles: *grr* |
| 21:39.23 | go1dfish | I wouldn't mind a second n900 myself heh |
| 21:39.36 | nezb | If I had a second N900 I wouldn't know what to do with it |
| 21:39.39 | luke-jr | supposedly it's also buy 3 get 1 free |
| 21:39.46 | nezb | I'd probably figure out a good way to break it though |
| 21:39.49 | go1dfish | I could def see myself seriously using both, I've done it before with our loaner till the microUSB port broke |
| 21:39.52 | luke-jr | so if it does turn out to be legit, anyone wanna go group-buy with me? :P |
| 21:40.03 | range | nezb: Call yourself via Skype. |
| 21:40.12 | nezb | range: already did that with my N800 hehehe |
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| 21:40.20 | nezb | the echo/feedback was horrible |
| 21:40.59 | go1dfish | heh you can get some fun sounds out of that, I used to work in the same building as SIPphone/Gizmo... |
| 21:41.01 | jX | GeneralAntilles: The second one wasn't even finished yet, I don't count that. It's like knocking down a cripple. |
| 21:41.05 | clmntch | the usbport is known to break... is it common? |
| 21:41.20 | GeneralAntilles | jX, sure, but there were a lot more Star Destroyers involved. ;) |
| 21:41.22 | go1dfish | one time michael was doing a demo to an electronica artist, BT, he really enjoyed playing with the feedback noises |
| 21:41.25 | nezb | luke-jr: that looks like a scam. their email address is at hotmail! |
| 21:42.08 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 21:42.11 | luke-jr | no, it's gmail |
| 21:42.16 | ifreq | anyways |
| 21:42.25 | luke-jr | want to see my IM log with sales? :P |
| 21:42.54 | luke-jr | http://pastebin.ca/1736039 |
| 21:43.51 | nezb | LOL |
| 21:44.03 | nezb | wow that is hilarious |
| 21:44.07 | ifreq | lol |
| 21:44.15 | nezb | [04:01:03] <other guy> Scam? we hate the words [04:01:21] <other guy> also we are a legitimate company |
| 21:44.25 | frals | isnt paypal pretty good with disputes? |
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| 21:44.44 | ifreq | luke-jr: just pay the full price somewhere real place and pay by CC so you get monthly pauments if thats too much for one payment :P |
| 21:44.44 | go1dfish | frals: from the buyer side yes |
| 21:44.45 | ShadowJK | lol @ "hate the word" ... "We call it âinnovative business methodsâ" |
| 21:44.47 | go1dfish | from the seller side no |
| 21:44.50 | go1dfish | buyer almost always wins |
| 21:45.06 | frals | yeah was thinking if he was gonna buy from them via paypal |
| 21:45.12 | go1dfish | paypal will lock an account if you look at them wrong |
| 21:45.54 | nezb | ifreq: I wouldn't want to finance my phone with a credit card. interest rates suck right now |
| 21:46.03 | luke-jr | ifreq: I'm not sure it's worth full price. |
| 21:46.30 | luke-jr | frals: they only accept eCheck via PayPal |
| 21:46.36 | ifreq | xD |
| 21:46.40 | luke-jr | frals: eg, not PayPal balance or credit card |
| 21:46.46 | nezb | luke-jr: if you have you heart set on Maemo 5 then it is. otherwise you're better off with a subsidized phone from a carrier |
| 21:46.52 | ifreq | yeh so yu wont get refund easily luke-jr |
| 21:46.59 | luke-jr | nezb: I have no interest in Maemo period. I just want hardware. |
| 21:47.01 | nezb | luke-jr: wow. that screams "scam" at the top of its lungs |
| 21:47.02 | ifreq | remove that site from your bookmarks :) |
| 21:47.07 | nezb | luke-jr: Nexus? |
| 21:47.15 | luke-jr | nezb: Nexus is lacking a kb |
| 21:47.22 | nezb | Samsung Moment or G1? |
| 21:47.24 | frals | ah okey, dunno how paypal handles echecks |
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| 21:47.38 | luke-jr | if someone made Nexus with a kb, and I was pretty sure I'd be able to get Linux running on it, probably |
| 21:47.50 | nezb | they already run "linux" |
| 21:47.51 | ifreq | it has linux luke-jr |
| 21:47.57 | luke-jr | nezb: the quotes are important :P |
| 21:48.00 | nezb | "linux" with quotes |
| 21:48.01 | nezb | hehe ^ yeah |
| 21:48.02 | ifreq | and with your linux you cant get it working as a phone |
| 21:48.05 | frals | hmm, wonder if Nokia happens to have a list of what different networks allows in form of MMS headers |
| 21:48.08 | go1dfish | yeah the lack of the keyboard seems like the lamest part of the nexus, besides it being android |
| 21:48.11 | ifreq | luke-jr: :P dear god |
| 21:48.16 | luke-jr | ifreq: I don't want a phone at this time. |
| 21:48.24 | go1dfish | android is ok, but maemo is a much better fit for a geek like me |
| 21:48.25 | frals | as the helpful forum.nokia.com wiki suggest the solution to my problem is "The solution is to carefully check all the additional message headers that your application sets; check that the headers are set correctly and that the targeted network allows them. " |
| 21:48.26 | nezb | I have found hardware keyboard to be overrated, but then again I have small hands |
| 21:48.41 | luke-jr | nezb: I want to write Perl on it. |
| 21:48.58 | nezb | luke-jr: bring a bluetooth keyboard around with you :P |
| 21:49.04 | nezb | anyway it is time for me to head to class. bye all |
| 21:49.09 | ifreq | cya |
| 21:49.14 | luke-jr | nezb: while I'm driving... |
| 21:49.14 | go1dfish | nezb: hardware keyboard is necessary for typing anything but prose IMO |
| 21:49.15 | ifreq | food -> |
| 21:49.24 | go1dfish | word completion doesn't work so well in a terminal |
| 21:49.32 | nezb | true |
| 21:49.38 | nezb | luke-jr: pay attention to the road!! |
| 21:49.42 | luke-jr | nezb: :D |
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| 21:52.53 | pwnguin | go1dfish: actually, word completion works great in a term if you have the full bash autocomplete |
| 21:53.05 | go1dfish | well yeah, tab completion is great... |
| 21:53.20 | go1dfish | but ive yet to see a device with context sensitive word completion in an onscreen keyboard |
| 21:53.21 | xorAxAx | 12The Si4713 integrates transmit functions for FM broadcast stereo transmission. |
| 21:53.21 | xorAxAx | 13The chip also allows integrated receive power scanning to identify low signal |
| 21:53.21 | xorAxAx | 14power FM channels. |
| 21:53.28 | xorAxAx | that would be a nice feature |
| 21:53.57 | go1dfish | would be sweet to have a onscreen keyboard intelligent enough to use bash completion when at a terminal though |
| 21:53.59 | pwnguin | go1dfish: i know microsoft's handwriting tool does it |
| 21:54.01 | SpeedEvil | I've found a few missing hardware features on populating the hardware_n900 category |
| 21:54.09 | SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: that, and the accellerometer taps |
| 21:54.23 | go1dfish | but then you'd run into the same problem once you ssh'd in some where and wanted to use an editor |
| 21:54.24 | xorAxAx | wow, the chip even has an audio compressor built-in |
| 21:54.32 | go1dfish | and bash completion would even break down once ssh'd elsewhere |
| 21:54.41 | pwnguin | and apparently iphone's safari will change the keyboard depending on the form input type |
| 21:55.54 | SpeedEvil | oh - and the hardware torch - but that's now been implemented |
| 21:55.57 | pwnguin | go1dfish: http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html |
| 21:56.24 | go1dfish | SpeedEvil: accelerometer taps? |
| 21:56.26 | range | SpeedEvil: Yeah. But there seems to be a limit on how many applications can be in the applet thingy. |
| 21:56.39 | pwnguin | go1dfish: if your html5 form has a url class input, it will offer . and / |
| 21:56.41 | go1dfish | range: no, it will scroll vertically |
| 21:56.47 | range | torch is the one which isn't displayed in there anymore (for me at least). |
| 21:56.54 | range | Oh. Then the torch thingy does not work. |
| 21:56.59 | SpeedEvil | go1dfish: the accellerometer can pick up taps in hardware, and generate an interrupt |
| 21:57.05 | go1dfish | range: it only shows when the lense cover is open iirc |
| 21:57.06 | SpeedEvil | range: yes, it works |
| 21:57.15 | go1dfish | I haven't installed it, I have been using moodlight |
| 21:57.29 | range | True, now it does. |
| 21:57.32 | SpeedEvil | go1dfish: it's _way_ brighter. |
| 21:57.36 | range | Something seems to have needed a reboot. |
| 21:57.44 | go1dfish | SpeedEvil: which is? torch? |
| 21:57.48 | SpeedEvil | go1dfish: yes |
| 21:57.53 | go1dfish | Im kinda worried about burning out the led prematurely |
| 21:58.00 | go1dfish | moodlight is bright enough |
| 21:58.17 | SpeedEvil | go1dfish: the LED driver specifically says that the used current is OK. |
| 21:58.24 | SpeedEvil | go1dfish: it's 1/7th of the flash power. |
| 21:59.07 | go1dfish | ah ok |
| 21:59.19 | go1dfish | I might give it a try then, didn't realize there was a brightness difference between the two |
| 21:59.57 | pwnguin | does the app actually use the proper output? |
| 22:00.39 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:01.02 | pwnguin | good to know |
| 22:02.00 | cehteh | waargs ... calling abort() from a thread deadlocks in the sdk (didnt tried on device yet) |
| 22:02.18 | fdv | I've managed to clear out the contents of my /etc/apt/sources.list on maemo 5 / n900. can anybody pastebin the default contents for me? |
| 22:02.47 | cehteh | fdv: its all in sources.d sources.list is empty iirc |
| 22:02.48 | Kamui | dang out of root space yet again |
| 22:02.58 | fdv | cehteh: explains a bit :) |
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| 22:04.44 | Kamui | all i did was upgrades too |
| 22:04.48 | Kamui | aarg |
| 22:04.59 | fdv | cehteh: does this look like the defaults? http://pastebin.com/d16bd48ed |
| 22:05.09 | Kamui | running the optify script is sooo slow too |
| 22:05.28 | fdv | I think the ./ parts look kind of suspicious |
| 22:06.02 | cehteh | testing is certainly not defaults :) |
| 22:06.34 | fdv | ah, awright :) |
| 22:06.48 | cehteh | fdv: as i saied its an empty file by default |
| 22:06.48 | fdv | something odd happened after I tried adding a source repo |
| 22:07.04 | fdv | cehteh: yep, this is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 22:07.06 | cehteh | the repos are all in sources.list.d/ |
| 22:07.15 | cehteh | duh |
| 22:07.17 | fdv | :) |
| 22:07.43 | cehteh | please send me a cristal ball next time before you ask something |
| 22:08.17 | cehteh | well looks ok |
| 22:08.29 | Jef91 | IS there a place I can manually adjust my apt-get sources in Maemo? |
| 22:08.46 | cehteh | sources.list? |
| 22:09.03 | Jef91 | is blank |
| 22:09.21 | fdv | cehteh: sorry, should have mantioned it explicitly, but it said in the paste :) |
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| 22:10.13 | frals | Jef91: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list seems like a good bet |
| 22:10.17 | cehteh | yes but i am busy didnt looked carefully |
| 22:10.25 | fdv | sure thing |
| 22:10.30 | fdv | my bad |
| 22:10.37 | Jef91 | frals: Thanks |
| 22:10.47 | Jef91 | frals: Any idea why that is? |
| 22:10.51 | frals | no clue |
| 22:11.02 | cehteh | is there a bugtracker for the SDK? |
| 22:11.16 | xorAxAx | cehteh: yes |
| 22:11.21 | frals | cehteh: bugs.maemo.org |
| 22:11.23 | xorAxAx | bugs.maemo.org |
| 22:11.42 | fdv | Jef91: I'm not sure whether that might interfere with the gui app manager, but any file under sources.list.d should do (not sure if it needs a .list suffix) |
| 22:11.52 | xorAxAx | "Maemo Official Platform" and then "Development platform" |
| 22:12.06 | cehteh | abort() in a thread deadlocks in the sdk, but not on the device .. i can confirm that now |
| 22:12.23 | cehteh | duh! |
| 22:13.09 | fdv | Jef91: I've got fremantle sdk in a separate file, which works fine, and it's visible in the gui app manager, but it can't be edited there |
| 22:13.20 | slonopotamus | cehteh, beware of emulators |
| 22:13.39 | cehteh | slonopotamus: sure thing .. but thats still a bug |
| 22:13.54 | Jef91 | fdv: Good to know, thanks |
| 22:14.06 | slonopotamus | cehteh, emulator will never behave as real device. |
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| 22:15.44 | cehteh | hey _exit() hangs too |
| 22:15.58 | cehteh | slonopotamus: still a bug |
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| 22:16.22 | cehteh | maybe a 'wontfix' but should be documented somewhere |
| 22:16.45 | Jef91 | Is there a Game Boy, GBA, or DS Emulator in the repos yet? |
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| 22:18.09 | cehteh | guess what, exit() hangs too |
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| 22:18.22 | cehteh | why did no one stomped on that yet? |
| 22:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | Jef91, VGB and VGBA exist. |
| 22:18.48 | slonopotamus | because noone develops in scratchbox :) |
| 22:19.01 | jX | so, I jsut called Nokia support, I lost the stylus to my N900 |
| 22:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | Jef91, although due to legal action from Nintendo they're not in Extras anymore. |
| 22:19.13 | Jef91 | Oh, lame. |
| 22:19.14 | GeneralAntilles | Jef91, DS may be a bit ambitious. |
| 22:19.20 | jX | they told me to go to Radio Shack |
| 22:19.24 | Jef91 | Got a download link for VGB? |
| 22:19.25 | jX | they said they "don't have any extras" |
| 22:19.37 | go1dfish | GeneralAntilles: there was a post on t.m.o. saying they will be coming back to extras soon |
| 22:19.42 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly they should be coming back at some point. |
| 22:20.02 | Jef91 | Damn, I was hoping to play some poke'mon this afternoon hahaha |
| 22:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno where the Nintendo stuff is currently available. |
| 22:21.15 | Dantonic | hey how bad is it to disconnect the N900 in mass storage mode without ejecting it first? I haven't found a way to eject it before disconnecting from my car's USB port |
| 22:21.41 | jX | Dantonic: As long as no data is beinng writte TO it at the time, it's harmless |
| 22:21.47 | jX | completely |
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| 22:22.10 | Dantonic | what if it is reading for example playing music? |
| 22:22.31 | jX | doesnt' matter |
| 22:22.37 | Dantonic | ok |
| 22:22.40 | jX | as long as data is not being WRITTEN TO the device, that's all that counts |
| 22:22.48 | Dantonic | thanks jX |
| 22:22.54 | jX | if data is being written to the device when you disconnect, whatever data it was writing will be corrupt and unfinished. |
| 22:23.08 | jX | worst case if it's being read is that the copy will fail or the music wiill stop. |
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| 22:23.47 | Kamui | wankster sauce |
| 22:24.06 | Dantonic | I also wish there was a way to stop it from charging and still be attached.... it would be handy for long trips where I don't want it to keep charging the N900 whne it's already full... |
| 22:24.13 | Dantonic | but I still want to play my music |
| 22:24.25 | jX | it stops charging when it's full automatically |
| 22:24.30 | jX | the light turns green from yellow |
| 22:24.32 | Kamui | i have plugins that constantly dissapear for what appears to be no reason |
| 22:24.39 | Kamui | by plugin i mean widget |
| 22:24.43 | Dantonic | but it'll keep topping it off won't it? |
| 22:24.46 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, Jef91 , the emulators will be back as soon as the devs upload them again |
| 22:25.05 | jX | Dantonic: possibly, but when it's full it stops drawing extra charge power. |
| 22:25.26 | jX | speaking of emulators, has anyone gotten ines to install on the 900? |
| 22:25.43 | VDVsx | yes, works very well |
| 22:25.53 | slonopotamus | VDVsx, shouldn't the one, who removed them, put them back? |
| 22:25.55 | jX | is it in the repos? |
| 22:26.04 | jX | I tried getting it from the ines website, failed. |
| 22:26.31 | VDVsx | slonopotamus, everything was removed, so only the devs have the packages |
| 22:26.54 | slonopotamus | you don't do backups? :) |
| 22:27.06 | VDVsx | no :p |
| 22:27.10 | Jef91 | VDVsx Any idea when they are suppose to be back? |
| 22:27.12 | Macer | hm. the kenshin movie is awkward |
| 22:27.19 | Macer | it's nothing like the show |
| 22:27.21 | frals | i think the point was to remove everything so nokia wasnt liable for having it on their servers |
| 22:27.26 | VDVsx | Jef91, for ines ask RST38h |
| 22:27.47 | VDVsx | frals, more or less |
| 22:28.06 | frals | also, we dont happen to have anyone in here expert on MMS decoding/SMIL/wsp headers? |
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| 22:28.32 | xorAxAx | cehteh: when do you continue your work on profiled? :) |
| 22:28.58 | cehteh | depends on my mood and if anyone else will help |
| 22:29.11 | xorAxAx | i will help when i have my device |
| 22:29.18 | cehteh | somewhere between later today to never :) |
| 22:29.22 | zerojay | VDVsx: Don't expect my wallpapers to go back up there. |
| 22:29.42 | VDVsx | zerojay, I know |
| 22:29.51 | VDVsx | :( |
| 22:30.35 | cehteh | assert() deadlocks too .. .. lemme try raise() ... last effort |
| 22:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, doesn't really matter for PR1.1. |
| 22:30.41 | zerojay | I don't enjoy the implication that my wallpapers are in some legal grey area when they're perfectly protected by fair use clauses. I'm not going to bother anymore. |
| 22:30.55 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, since it'll handle ultrawide wallpapers without the need for .desktop files |
| 22:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | So somebody can stick them on n900wallpapers.com |
| 22:31.07 | zerojay | Cool, I guess. |
| 22:31.28 | jX | GeneralAntilles: Wait, so I can put a 3200x480 image there and it'll work as a 4wide desktop? |
| 22:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | jX, yes. |
| 22:31.43 | jX | omg,a wesome |
| 22:31.55 | jX | will it be centered on teh main screen, or left justified like it should be? |
| 22:31.56 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, something makes me think there's a conspiracy to keep you from being involved in Maemo. :P |
| 22:32.04 | go1dfish | zerojay: I don't think thats the implication |
| 22:32.11 | xorAxAx | i want my n900! |
| 22:32.13 | VDVsx | receives the 1st spam in the council ML |
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| 22:32.14 | zerojay | go1dfish: You didn't see the e-mails I did. |
| 22:32.17 | go1dfish | I think the lawyers just got overly jumpy/defensive |
| 22:32.19 | go1dfish | like lawyers do |
| 22:32.31 | go1dfish | good point |
| 22:32.45 | go1dfish | fair use is dead anyway |
| 22:32.45 | go1dfish | at least in the US |
| 22:32.46 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, no kidding. Glad I could help pave the way for everyone else to play with PR1.1. Heh. |
| 22:32.56 | zerojay | go1dfish: Tell that to James Cameron. |
| 22:33.00 | VDVsx | zerojay, fair use doesn't work in most of the countries |
| 22:33.16 | jX | gold: It's not dead, it's jsut under attack, you have to defend it |
| 22:33.17 | jX | like any right |
| 22:33.50 | go1dfish | let me correct that... |
| 22:33.59 | go1dfish | fair use is dead unless you have the money to pay lawyers to fight that argument |
| 22:34.04 | jX | bah |
| 22:34.14 | Jef91 | gparted needs a maemo port xD |
| 22:34.16 | go1dfish | the mere threat of legal action is enough to shut most people down without a fight |
| 22:34.17 | jX | you'd be surprised how easy it is to excercise fair use for free. |
| 22:34.28 | VDVsx | suspects that pocahontas is a fair use script :p |
| 22:34.31 | jX | yes, without a fight, blame them, not the hyperactive lawyers. |
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| 22:34.56 | jX | VDVsx: See: http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/ill-see-your-pocahontas-and-raise-you-speaker-for-the-dead/ |
| 22:34.57 | jX | :) |
| 22:35.36 | VDVsx | jX, my assumption was based on that ;) |
| 22:35.53 | jX | my friend wrote that up yesterday, I found it funny. :) |
| 22:35.59 | Jef91 | huh Anyone have any ideas why my N900 would complain about my sd card even if it is formatted to fat3? |
| 22:36.02 | Jef91 | fat32* |
| 22:36.29 | go1dfish | btw highly recommended reading for anyone interested in fair use/copyright in the US at all: http://www.free-culture.cc/freecontent/ |
| 22:36.43 | VDVsx | jX, there's a similar one for pocahontas |
| 22:37.14 | Kamui | anyone know if the microb-engine can be optifiedmsafely |
| 22:37.19 | cehteh | xorAxAx: do you have a 32 or 64 bit system with the sdk? |
| 22:37.26 | Kamui | err via relinking? |
| 22:37.55 | zerojay | VDVsx: And Dances With Wolves and about 50 other movies. |
| 22:38.24 | VDVsx | lol |
| 22:38.27 | Jef91 | is there an xchat port for maemo? |
| 22:38.35 | VDVsx | Jef91, yes |
| 22:38.36 | Kamui | yep |
| 22:38.41 | Kamui | im using it now |
| 22:38.45 | Jef91 | is it in testings or devel? |
| 22:39.14 | Jaffa | Evening, all |
| 22:39.21 | frals | ello |
| 22:39.23 | Kamui | hi jaffa |
| 22:39.36 | xorAxAx | cehteh: 32 |
| 22:39.36 | frals | Jef91: testing, or maybe even just extas |
| 22:40.04 | cehteh | xorAxAx: maybe you can try my testcode there ... moment i type the bug report |
| 22:41.03 | Jaffa | VDVsx: kontorri's comment on the bug 7315 isn't entirely clear - since we're testing PR1.1 ;-) |
| 22:41.04 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7315 X Terminal application icon looks ugly compared with previous versions |
| 22:41.34 | zerojay | "ugly"? |
| 22:41.56 | VDVsx | Jaffa, true, lol, I miss read |
| 22:41.59 | pupnik | ignore |
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| 22:42.13 | VDVsx | since there's already some bugs with "fixed in pr1.2" |
| 22:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, maybe 51-2+, I suppose. |
| 22:42.44 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Oooh, they've confirmed there's going to be a PR1.2 release? |
| 22:42.47 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Indeed |
| 22:43.05 | cehteh | xorAxAx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7728 |
| 22:43.06 | povbot` | Bug 7728: assert(), abort(), _exit(), exit() called from a thread deadlocks in the SDK |
| 22:43.08 | VDVsx | Jaffa, is there's already a Qt branch with that tag |
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| 22:43.12 | Jaffa | zerojay: Look at the first attachment. The test image's X Terminal icon features bright green. |
| 22:43.27 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Yeah, last I heard the wasn't certainty it'd actually be released. |
| 22:43.42 | Jaffa | Power straight through to PR2.0/Harmattan ;-) |
| 22:44.06 | VDVsx | Jaffa, they promised Qt 4.6 in maemo5 |
| 22:44.06 | VDVsx | and WRT, I guess |
| 22:44.18 | GeneralAntilles | bemoans capacitive insanity. |
| 22:44.27 | cehteh | yeah |
| 22:44.31 | GeneralAntilles | The Harmattan device is going to suck. |
| 22:44.45 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Both could be "normal" packages |
| 22:44.51 | cehteh | well they can put a bigger battery in, no stylus :P |
| 22:44.55 | xorAxAx | cehteh: WFM |
| 22:44.55 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, why ? |
| 22:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, capacitive. |
| 22:45.05 | VDVsx | capacitive ? :D |
| 22:45.08 | VDVsx | damn |
| 22:45.18 | cehteh | xorAxAx: maybe 64 bit issue then |
| 22:45.19 | GeneralAntilles | There are reasons I hate the iPhone that have nothing at all to do with software. |
| 22:45.34 | xorAxAx | cehteh: armel or x86? |
| 22:45.38 | cehteh | armel |
| 22:45.42 | xorAxAx | ah |
| 22:45.43 | pupnik | bug 6456: paint stylusbbright yellow |
| 22:45.44 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6456 Register audio/ogg mimetype to support *.oga Vorbis audio files |
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| 22:45.56 | cehteh | works in x86 |
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| 22:46.22 | Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: how do you know about that capacitance? |
| 22:46.35 | cehteh | xorAxAx: 1.prepare short test program in the FREMANTLE_ARMEL scratchbox |
| 22:46.38 | cehteh | you can read? :) |
| 22:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, it was announced at the Summit as OMAP3/capacitive |
| 22:47.00 | xorAxAx | cehteh: non, fails for me as well :) |
| 22:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, and Jose Luiz Martinez quoted it as a reason Harmattan wouldn't be shipped to the N900 at BCN. |
| 22:47.17 | cehteh | quite sure thats a emulator issue |
| 22:47.36 | Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: aww. But, isn't that just a hw-decision? I can't see why capacitance and resistance would require different drivers, or anything |
| 22:47.46 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: multitouch |
| 22:47.51 | cehteh | but still would be nice if one can run at least some unit tests on the development scratchbox before sending the app to the device |
| 22:47.57 | Wolfie | was just thinking about that. Multitouch doesn't work on resistive? |
| 22:48.03 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: also capacitive can may mean no stylus |
| 22:48.05 | go1dfish | GeneralAntilles: is that to say nokia has confirmed that maemo6 will not be appearing on the n900? |
| 22:48.09 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: not generally |
| 22:48.21 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: there are some hacks that make it sorta-work |
| 22:48.25 | simula_ | omap3 goes up to 1Ghz, but what is the max ram supported? |
| 22:48.33 | Wolfie | SpeedEvil: doesn't capacitive have their own type of stylus? |
| 22:48.37 | GeneralAntilles | go1dfish, inasmuch as a seemingly offhand remark at a maemo.org event can be counted as "confirmed" |
| 22:48.51 | SpeedEvil | Wolfie: or rather - no passive stylus |
| 22:49.00 | go1dfish | yeah I think I had heard that before and it was presented more as a reason why it might not be feasible to port |
| 22:49.06 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Did they? How foolish. There's so little that requires capacitive; so the only reason could be decreased accuracy => less need for high res screen => <800x480 => won't work well on N900 |
| 22:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | simeoni, limited by PoP sizes for the foreseeable future. |
| 22:49.21 | go1dfish | rather than a definite no, just wanted to be sure you were referring to the same statement |
| 22:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ah, right, 800x480 was the 3rd thing announced at the Summit. |
| 22:49.44 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, seems like a marketing decision mostly. :\ |
| 22:49.46 | simula_ | darn, it looks like OMAP3 tops out at 256MB of ram :P |
| 22:49.49 | Jaffa | wonders if the N900's initial success would change those plans. |
| 22:49.50 | GeneralAntilles | wishes fervently for Stantum. |
| 22:49.50 | go1dfish | who is so freaking weak that the resistive screen on the n900 is too much pressure for their fingers? |
| 22:50.24 | Kamui | lol |
| 22:50.26 | GeneralAntilles | simula_, I heard something about a 512MB/512MB PoP at one point. |
| 22:50.28 | Kamui | hahaha |
| 22:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | simula_, but don't think it's anywhere near production volumes yet. |
| 22:50.41 | cehteh | as i saied, they should combine both technologies |
| 22:50.54 | GeneralAntilles | go1dfish, idiots that iPhone finger everything with a touchscreen. |
| 22:51.00 | Wolfie | go1dfish: can't agree. I have an invisible shield on top of that, and it still doesn't feel too pressur-y |
| 22:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, expensive, power and space costly. |
| 22:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, Stantum is a nicer compromise. |
| 22:51.20 | simula_ | 512 would give a lot more breathing room, just knowing that it may happen inside the next year is nice... thanks generalantilles |
| 22:51.52 | cehteh | well yes there are some other technologies than resistive/capacitative |
| 22:51.52 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, the keynote also referred something like a community maemo6 for the n900 |
| 22:52.04 | cehteh | and i dont really like qt .. but well |
| 22:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, hopefully Mer will be to that point by then. |
| 22:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, still, so unjustifiably stupid. |
| 22:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | Capacitive at WVGA is just inane. |
| 22:52.23 | VDVsx | agreed |
| 22:52.44 | GeneralAntilles | I'm in favor of killing off most of the people involved in Maemo Device's management and marketing. . . . |
| 22:52.53 | SpeedEvil | I want SAW |
| 22:53.06 | SpeedEvil | SAW on a diamond-coated window device. |
| 22:54.47 | cehteh | btw does numptyphysics work for anyone of you? |
| 22:55.01 | pupnik | works great on n810 here |
| 22:55.11 | cehteh | yes but not on n900 |
| 22:55.16 | xorAxAx | is it possible to do something like ${VAR_${VAR}} in sh? |
| 22:56.06 | cehteh | ${!var_$var} iirc |
| 22:56.28 | cehteh | well maybe not in sh .. but in bash >2.05 :) |
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| 22:57.01 | xorAxAx | cehteh: doesnt work |
| 22:57.12 | cehteh | eval? |
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| 22:57.49 | cehteh | maybe you need to do it in 2 steps |
| 22:58.17 | cehteh | varname="foo_$var" echo ${!varname} |
| 22:59.39 | xorAxAx | cehteh: works |
| 23:01.30 | pupnik | nice cehteh |
| 23:01.43 | cehteh | what? |
| 23:02.14 | pupnik | knowing the answer |
| 23:02.18 | cehteh | heh |
| 23:02.44 | cehteh | you didnt seen hardcore shell programming yet? :) |
| 23:03.05 | pupnik | i used to hang out in #bash, so no |
| 23:03.27 | xorAxAx | cehteh: how do i check whether the variable is defined? |
| 23:03.32 | cehteh | i prolly seen you there, but i only join when i have a question |
| 23:04.03 | cehteh | xorAxAx: doesnt it suffice if its non-empty? |
| 23:04.15 | xorAxAx | cehteh: yes, how? |
| 23:04.21 | cehteh | test -n (or -z) ... |
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| 23:05.28 | Sargun | does the n900 do ofono? |
| 23:05.43 | xorAxAx | gah, i switch to python |
| 23:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | Who is responsible for the godawful naming of the telepathy extras packages? <_< |
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| 23:07.09 | papo | hello |
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| 23:07.53 | papo | The NoRêve pouch was recommended several times in the forum. I'm wondering whether anyone has that thing and can tell me how the device is fixed |
| 23:08.54 | cehteh | xorAxAx: for what? |
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| 23:09.20 | cehteh | has his 2nd puch finished :P |
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| 23:11.09 | Jef91 | My N900 has developed a strange new issue |
| 23:11.11 | xorAxAx | cehteh: a one-way syncer for gpe_calendar |
| 23:11.51 | SpeedEvil | Jef91: Does pea soup come out of the a/v connector, and the camera spin round and round? |
| 23:12.04 | Jef91 | When I open my file manager my "music" "pictures" and "documents" are all displayed twice |
| 23:12.23 | Jef91 | SpeedEvil: I'd call that a useful feature, not a strange issue :P |
| 23:13.17 | Arkenoi | useful? |
| 23:13.36 | fnordianslip | Jef91, known bug |
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| 23:14.13 | Arkenoi | remembers old urban legend about two-panel file manager and ignorant user |
| 23:14.17 | javispedro | VDVsx: btw, thanks for pushing the issue |
| 23:14.29 | Jef91 | fnordianslip Any fixes for the time being/a known cause of it? |
| 23:15.48 | VDVsx | javispedro, np :) |
| 23:16.19 | fnordianslip | Jef91, there's a bugzilla entry for it. caused by a buggy and bizarre solution to have translated directory names |
| 23:16.29 | fnordianslip | apparently |
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| 23:18.26 | pupnik | ty fnordianslip |
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| 23:19.57 | fnordianslip | pupnik, huh? |
| 23:20.21 | VDVsx | a desktop widget made in python ? |
| 23:20.33 | VDVsx | need to test something, can't remember any |
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| 23:23.11 | fnordianslip | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838 |
| 23:23.12 | povbot` | Bug 5838: Certain directory entries are duplicated |
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| 23:23.32 | xorAxAx | cehteh: why are you testing your program in the armel target? |
| 23:23.57 | cehteh | just run the unit test suite |
| 23:23.59 | red | VDVsx: all desktop widgets made in python i tried did not work |
| 23:24.12 | red | afaik there was some problem why they did not yet work, barring a nokia fix |
| 23:24.21 | red | then again could be that i was dreaming |
| 23:24.23 | wazd | wooo |
| 23:24.33 | VDVsx | red, recall the name of one of them ? |
| 23:24.34 | cehteh | i have on bash >2.05 on the device, but the testsuite needs that |
| 23:24.39 | wazd | huge screen! Fast connection! |
| 23:24.53 | cehteh | its my debugging lib, not a complete program anyways |
| 23:24.57 | VDVsx | wazd, what you got know ? :p |
| 23:25.01 | VDVsx | *now |
| 23:25.09 | wazd | VDVsx: I got home :D |
| 23:25.14 | VDVsx | lolol |
| 23:25.29 | VDVsx | 25'' screen |
| 23:25.33 | VDVsx | :D |
| 23:25.50 | red | VDVsx: dont have my phone at me now and no |
| 23:26.02 | VDVsx | oki |
| 23:26.12 | red | mm |
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| 23:26.20 | red | not sure if the digg widget was python or not |
| 23:26.23 | red | atleast it didnt work |
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| 23:27.19 | Noma | has anyone here played with the bt-mouse possibility of n900? |
| 23:27.26 | cehteh | yes |
| 23:27.31 | Noma | any success? |
| 23:27.44 | cehteh | scroll wheel works nice .. but without a visible pointer its no fun |
| 23:28.05 | Noma | but there is a pointer possibility in the browser? |
| 23:28.10 | cehteh | yeah |
| 23:28.19 | cehteh | there are some hacks to make the pointer visible too |
| 23:28.23 | Noma | i managed to get my ms bt 5000 to move the pointer, but it was unusable because of the sensitivity |
| 23:28.23 | cehteh | i just didnt tried |
| 23:28.36 | cehteh | man xset |
| 23:29.41 | Noma | does anyone know if there is any way to alter the settings of the mouse? for me any of the buttons or the wheel didn't do anything |
| 23:29.51 | cehteh | man xset |
| 23:30.16 | Noma | there is no xset command on n900 |
| 23:30.35 | cehteh | prolly you have to install or build it |
| 23:30.47 | cehteh | is it a xorg server iirc yes |
| 23:31.21 | Noma | but there must be some kind of settings already there, because the pointer functionality is already there and working in the browser |
| 23:31.25 | cehteh | you can also configure sensitivity in xorg.conf .. but thats quite more pita |
| 23:31.44 | cehteh | nah it prolly just uses unconfigured defaults |
| 23:31.56 | cehteh | which rather apply to low dpi historic mouses |
| 23:32.08 | Noma | yes, but there must be a way to make one's own configs |
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| 23:32.21 | cehteh | yes, with xset or xorg.conf |
| 23:32.39 | Noma | well, let's try |
| 23:32.43 | Jeff91 | where do i go to report issues with a package in extra-testing? |
| 23:32.54 | cehteh | author? |
| 23:33.01 | xorAxAx | Jeff91: in the bugtracker linked from the package page |
| 23:33.09 | Noma | where the xorg.conf is located? |
| 23:33.18 | xorAxAx | Jeff91: if there is none, use the comment field on the package page |
| 23:33.25 | Jeff91 | kk, its the "moodlight" package |
| 23:33.25 | xorAxAx | Jeff91: see maemo.org/packages |
| 23:33.41 | Jeff91 | it killed my camera :-/ |
| 23:33.55 | cehteh | huh? |
| 23:33.59 | cehteh | killed? |
| 23:33.59 | Pudding-n900 | good to know |
| 23:34.15 | Jeff91 | moodlight includes a flashlight button |
| 23:34.27 | Pudding-n900 | restart didnt help? |
| 23:34.32 | Jeff91 | and after toggling the flashlight on/off my camera now fails to load |
| 23:34.37 | cehteh | that should just turn the screen white |
| 23:34.43 | Jeff91 | let me try that brb |
| 23:34.45 | cehteh | not? |
| 23:34.56 | xorAxAx | cehteh: no, it modifies the LEDstate |
| 23:34.58 | Jeff91 | if u hit the flashlight twice it turns on the camera flash |
| 23:35.01 | cehteh | the flashlight app can kill the camera |
| 23:35.04 | cehteh | ok |
| 23:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | Jeff91, restart. |
| 23:35.08 | Jeff91 | brb rebooting |
| 23:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | and the flashlight applet is better. |
| 23:35.20 | Pudding-n900 | yop |
| 23:35.31 | cehteh | imo its more a problem with the camera app which maybe thinking it owns the leds |
| 23:35.31 | Pudding-n900 | works fine on my device |
| 23:35.51 | cehteh | i looked at the flashlight code and it looks like itself does care for any circumstance |
| 23:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | I wish you could intercept the dbus signal to the camera app so it wouldn't open with the lens cover |
| 23:36.10 | Noma | n900's xorg.conf doesn't have much that seems to have something to do with the mouse functionality |
| 23:36.28 | cehteh | GeneralAntilles: you can .. /etc/systemui/systemui.conf |
| 23:36.41 | cehteh | Noma: you have to add it |
| 23:37.01 | Noma | just trying to google what i have to add there |
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| 23:37.37 | Jeff91 | good suggestion rebooting fixed |
| 23:37.46 | Pudding-n900 | good to hear |
| 23:37.49 | Pudding-n900 | :) |
| 23:37.50 | Jeff91 | should I still report the issue or is it known? |
| 23:37.54 | Pudding-n900 | yep |
| 23:38.17 | Pudding-n900 | the bug isnt fixed |
| 23:38.22 | Jeff91 | kk will do |
| 23:38.44 | Jeff91 | on a side note this phone takes also long as my netbook to boot almost lol |
| 23:38.56 | Pudding-n900 | :P |
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| 23:39.08 | vpol | hi all. |
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| 23:39.18 | Pudding-n900 | hey |
| 23:39.27 | Jeff91 | oh also - the gameboy emulators appear to be back in extra-testing |
| 23:40.01 | Pudding-n900 | gameboy emulator? |
| 23:40.10 | Pudding-n900 | how's it called? |
| 23:40.13 | vpol | i've got a strange problem with icq connection. it doesn't work :) is there ability to check telepathy connection logs? |
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| 23:40.30 | MohammadAG | the Nexus one has wireless N? |
| 23:40.31 | Jeff91 | vgb and vgba i believe |
| 23:40.42 | Pudding-n900 | kk |
| 23:41.00 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: but no keyboard? :(( |
| 23:41.02 | Pudding-n900 | @vpol with the icq plugin or the pidgin |
| 23:41.12 | Pudding-n900 | you have problems? |
| 23:41.16 | vpol | Pudding-n900, icq plugin. |
| 23:41.20 | vpol | pidgin works perfect |
| 23:41.20 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, well yeah I'm not switching to it, but does it really have N? |
| 23:41.33 | Pudding-n900 | hm |
| 23:41.43 | MohammadAG | Pidgin takes about 2 MBs from / afair |
| 23:41.53 | Pudding-n900 | try to deactivate the icq connection in pidgin |
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| 23:42.17 | pierlux | how do I fix that build issue? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libchamplain_0.4.3-0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 23:42.22 | Pudding-n900 | maybe this is blocking the plugin connection |
| 23:42.24 | vpol | Pudding-n900, i've already removed it, even removed .pidgin |
| 23:42.31 | Pudding-n900 | hm |
| 23:42.58 | timeless_mbp | pierlux: do you have build-dep: gtk-doc (>= 1.9) ? |
| 23:43.09 | timeless_mbp | (or build-depends, however it's spelled) |
| 23:43.20 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: I would assume so. |
| 23:43.27 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: N isn't exactly unusual these days |
| 23:43.38 | MohammadAG | +1 for HTC |
| 23:43.53 | lardman | night all |
| 23:43.53 | Pudding-n900 | i cant think of an other issue that might cause this problem right now... |
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| 23:43.59 | MohammadAG | -10 for the rest of the stuff that's in Nokia phones |
| 23:44.04 | luke-jr | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/nexus-one-teardown-reveals-possible-802-11n-radio-and-fm-transmi/ |
| 23:44.12 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: N900 doesn't have N? |
| 23:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | Who cares about N in a mobile these days? |
| 23:44.22 | MohammadAG | afaik no luke-jr |
| 23:44.26 | luke-jr | weird |
| 23:44.31 | MohammadAG | well it's faster GeneralAntilles |
| 23:44.35 | MohammadAG | and sucks the battery faster |
| 23:44.41 | MohammadAG | and that's the last thing I need lol |
| 23:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | Faster doesn't matter |
| 23:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | Most of these things can't even saturate G. |
| 23:44.49 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: losing battery faster is a good thing? |
| 23:45.02 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> and that's the last thing I need lol timeless_mbp |
| 23:45.05 | MohammadAG | i.e I don't need it |
| 23:45.16 | MohammadAG | in fact I may get a DC-11 |
| 23:45.23 | MohammadAG | just wondering if it'd work well |
| 23:45.23 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: N support != N use |
| 23:45.28 | timeless_mbp | dc-10's are airplanes, right? |
| 23:45.33 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 23:45.40 | luke-jr | I was just at WalMart |
| 23:45.48 | luke-jr | played with the keyboards on their display phones |
| 23:45.57 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, I have an N router, so it'd help when downloading stuff locally |
| 23:45.59 | luke-jr | trying to remember the name of the one that had the best KB |
| 23:46.01 | pupnik | n810 speakers are soo good |
| 23:46.10 | pupnik | i need another one |
| 23:46.12 | MohammadAG | but idc about it, I just want Maemo |
| 23:46.22 | MohammadAG | never owned an N810 :( |
| 23:46.51 | red | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=456490#post456490 |
| 23:46.59 | MohammadAG | wasn't into linux at the time, I was only 13 after all |
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| 23:47.02 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: just wondering, but what do you "just want Maemo" O.o? |
| 23:47.03 | Mousey | n810 is the best nseries there evre was |
| 23:47.03 | red | maemo.org > Talk > Software > Multimedia > Lack of audio quality on the N900 and useless overhead |
| 23:47.26 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, I want a device that has maemo on it |
| 23:47.26 | luke-jr | Mousey: haha, nice one |
| 23:47.31 | MohammadAG | not android, nor symbian |
| 23:47.31 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: why though? |
| 23:47.37 | Pudding-n900 | wasnt the n810 a skimple internet tablet? |
| 23:47.39 | MohammadAG | linux |
| 23:47.40 | luke-jr | why not real Linux? |
| 23:47.42 | luke-jr | :) |
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| 23:47.52 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, ctcp version me |
| 23:47.54 | Mousey | Pudding-n900: it was the BEST handheld computer i ever used |
| 23:48.07 | Mousey | bee eee ess tee |
| 23:48.15 | pupnik | n900 sound is fine for 97% of uses |
| 23:48.15 | derf | I still use my N810 more than my N900. |
| 23:48.18 | pierlux | timeless_mbp, this error is on the maemo build server |
| 23:48.23 | MohammadAG | I've been using linux for about two years I think |
| 23:48.29 | derf | Mostly because maemo-mapper on the N900 still has too many bugs. |
| 23:48.31 | pierlux | I can fix such errors on my computer fine :) |
| 23:48.33 | MohammadAG | never went back to windows |
| 23:48.39 | timeless_mbp | pierlux: sure, but does your package specify that in its debian/control file ? |
| 23:48.45 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: ok? so why Maemo over, say, Debian or Gentoo? |
| 23:48.51 | pierlux | timeless_mbp, possibly not |
| 23:48.56 | pupnik | MohammadAG is cool |
| 23:48.58 | timeless_mbp | pierlux: try adding it ... |
| 23:49.00 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, maemo is debian |
| 23:49.02 | luke-jr | or Mer for that matter |
| 23:49.05 | MohammadAG | with a diff GUI |
| 23:49.06 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: Maemo is NOT Debian |
| 23:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | derf, you tried the more recent alphas? |
| 23:49.16 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, core is |
| 23:49.21 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: no it isn't |
| 23:49.23 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Not in the past two weeks. |
| 23:49.28 | luke-jr | Maemo is no more Debian than Ubuntu or Xandros |
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| 23:49.42 | nomis | is there a python module for the tracker functionality? |
| 23:49.46 | MohammadAG | it's based on Debian, ok |
| 23:49.54 | Sargun | How do I decode SMS PDUs? |
| 23:49.54 | MohammadAG | Debian is a distro |
| 23:49.56 | MohammadAG | ubuntu is based on it |
| 23:49.57 | luke-jr | sure, but still a far cry from Debian |
| 23:49.59 | MohammadAG | same as Maemo |
| 23:50.17 | MohammadAG | hmm, I still wonder why I never tried Debian |
| 23:50.34 | luke-jr | runs Debian on most of his physical servers. |
| 23:51.29 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: but why do you prefer a closed OS based on Debian over Debian itself? |
| 23:51.31 | luke-jr | or even Mer for that matter |
| 23:51.41 | luke-jr | at least Mer is open, AND has the same DE as Maemo for the most part |
| 23:51.43 | pierlux | timeless_mbp, should I use the debian package name (gtk-doc-tools) or gtk-doc? |
| 23:51.53 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, how is it closed? |
| 23:52.02 | timeless_mbp | pierlux: you want the debian package name... |
| 23:52.10 | timeless_mbp | don't expect me to know what that is :) |
| 23:52.15 | pierlux | ok thaks |
| 23:52.16 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: most of the apps, IIRC |
| 23:52.19 | *** part/#maemo Noma (i=arponen@xob.kapsi.fi) |
| 23:52.22 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: I don't know the full details for Maemo5 |
| 23:52.42 | MohammadAG | it can install all apps based on armel |
| 23:52.48 | MohammadAG | if they're GTK based |
| 23:52.50 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: the included ones |
| 23:53.02 | luke-jr | anyhow, an open OS would in theory be hardware-independent |
| 23:53.02 | MohammadAG | installed a couple from the debian repos lucent |
| 23:53.07 | luke-jr | so you aren't tied to one company's phones |
| 23:53.14 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, * sorry about that lucent |
| 23:53.16 | red | luke-jr: many of the nokia things are closed to prevent other vendors copying I guess |
| 23:53.30 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: eg, Nexus Two w/ Mer |
| 23:53.32 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, no, I was very close to leaving Nokia |
| 23:53.35 | red | luke-jr: but some get opened by enough whining about etc, there was a comprehensive list about those some time ago |
| 23:53.46 | MohammadAG | but the N900 pulled me back |
| 23:53.51 | luke-jr | red: I'm pretty aware of the Maemo4/N8x0 situations |
| 23:53.59 | corecode_ | what's mer |
| 23:54.03 | red | i know nothing of those though |
| 23:54.09 | luke-jr | corecode_: Mameo minus closed bits (as much as possible) |
| 23:54.26 | MohammadAG | Mer, a variant of the open-source Maemo operating system for internet tablets. |
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| 23:54.35 | corecode_ | luke-jr: have an url? |
| 23:54.42 | luke-jr | corecode_: Google is your friend? |
| 23:54.49 | MohammadAG | or lmgtfy :p |
| 23:54.55 | luke-jr | second result for "Mer" |
| 23:55.30 | MohammadAG | wishes he was born before 1993 |
| 23:55.47 | MohammadAG | ah well, can't change that |
| 23:55.52 | corecode_ | does it run on n900? |
| 23:56.00 | corecode_ | MohammadAG: eh? |
| 23:56.03 | corecode_ | 1993? |
| 23:56.06 | corecode_ | calculates |
| 23:56.09 | MohammadAG | 16 |
| 23:56.17 | luke-jr | corecode_: not yet, AFAIK |
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| 23:56.25 | luke-jr | corecode_: next release should |
| 23:56.32 | MohammadAG | saves corecode_ the time for the calculation |
| 23:56.35 | luke-jr | there's some problems with getting it working on N8x0 tho |
| 23:56.41 | corecode_ | MohammadAG: cute |
| 23:56.49 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 23:56.52 | corecode_ | :) |
| 23:56.56 | luke-jr | is porting Mer to the i.MX51 line |
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| 23:58.11 | Kamui | fook |
| 23:58.17 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: N might be useful on a mobile for the wider ranger, not the speed |
| 23:58.38 | Kamui | i relocated almost all my big packages to opt and still only freed 5megs on root |
| 23:58.45 | Kamui | time to reflash i guess |
| 23:58.50 | Kamui | my first reflash |
| 23:58.59 | pierlux | timeless_mbp, same result https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libchamplain_0.4.3-0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 23:59.07 | MohammadAG | Kamui, I reflashed about 3 times in a week |
| 23:59.17 | pierlux | I added gtk-doc-tools (>=1.9) as a dep in control |
| 23:59.30 | MohammadAG | make that 4 cause I pressed CTRL C by mistake |
| 23:59.42 | MohammadAG | (yes I killed the flasher) |
