| 00:00.01 | MaemohammadAG | is it on the repos? |
| 00:00.13 | woglinde | hm python-hildon |
| 00:00.37 | frals | uh python-gtk2 i guess |
| 00:00.50 | frals | i just put some random packages that sounded good there, no clue what ive pulled in :D |
| 00:01.02 | MaemohammadAG | LOL |
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| 00:01.36 | MaemohammadAG | meh python-gtk2 is already the newest version. |
| 00:01.40 | kamui2 | so far, all I've learned about python, is that if you need it, build it |
| 00:02.02 | MaemohammadAG | kamui2 so true lol |
| 00:02.19 | kamui2 | its insane |
| 00:02.25 | kamui2 | I've build 5 versions of python |
| 00:02.31 | kamui2 | at lest they all compile without a hitch |
| 00:03.16 | kamui2 | finally I figured out on try 5 that blender 2.5 REQUIRES python 3.1.1 |
| 00:03.17 | kamui2 | lovely |
| 00:03.45 | kamui2 | had I just taken the shortcut, I could have had blender 2.49 built yesterday |
| 00:04.22 | dmj726_n900 | kamui2: at least you know whzt version to make now |
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| 00:04.32 | kamui2 | haha, yea |
| 00:04.44 | kamui2 | but Im telling you, the frustration totally wasn't worth not reading teh build doc all the way through |
| 00:04.50 | kamui2 | shant make that mistake again |
| 00:04.56 | kamui2 | I dont even know how im gonna package this ultimately |
| 00:05.00 | kamui2 | it has like 15 deps I had to build |
| 00:05.08 | kamui2 | maybe just staticly link it and say fuck it |
| 00:05.11 | kamui2 | funk I said funk |
| 00:05.14 | dmj726_n900 | there isn't any thing blocking 3.11 is there? |
| 00:05.22 | kamui2 | so far, no issue |
| 00:05.25 | kamui2 | building from source |
| 00:05.30 | kamui2 | but I wont know until its done |
| 00:05.37 | kamui2 | 2.5, 2.6, 3.0 all built fine |
| 00:05.47 | kamui2 | not that thats an indicator :) |
| 00:06.16 | kamui2 | I just don't build every module, and im not doing a system install so it doesn't kill the systems 2.5 intall |
| 00:06.29 | dmj726_n900 | blender 2.5 will be totally worth it though |
| 00:06.30 | kamui2 | god knows how maemo would respond if I replaced python |
| 00:06.36 | kamui2 | yea, I hope so |
| 00:06.46 | kamui2 | would be a damn shame if we dont get decent performance |
| 00:07.08 | kamui2 | though, if 2.39 runs smoothly on a 200mhz omap pocketpc... |
| 00:07.30 | dmj726_n900 | I don't expect to do renders, but some good modelling will be sweet. |
| 00:07.38 | kamui2 | swett |
| 00:07.40 | kamui2 | build finished |
| 00:07.42 | kamui2 | no errors |
| 00:07.45 | shiny_ | Evening all |
| 00:07.49 | dmj726_n900 | great! |
| 00:07.50 | kamui2 | still no tk/tcl |
| 00:07.52 | SplasPood | hrm, is there some way to save a shortcut to a web page on the desktop and give it a custom name? |
| 00:08.32 | dmj726_n900 | splaspod: yes |
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| 00:09.12 | kamui2 | jeebus |
| 00:09.16 | kamui2 | I built it in the wrong window |
| 00:09.19 | SplasPood | dmj726_n900: cool, how? :) |
| 00:09.20 | kamui2 | I wasn't in the scratchbox |
| 00:09.21 | kamui2 | *sigh* |
| 00:09.35 | kamui2 | @#$@$!#$@# |
| 00:09.52 | zash | SplasPood: /me guesses on http://p.zash.se/PYVMCA.txt |
| 00:09.59 | zash | in a .desktop |
| 00:10.20 | dmj726_n900 | rats |
| 00:10.30 | SplasPood | zash: ahh, ok.. by hand |
| 00:10.34 | kamui2 | thats ok, just make clean and reconfiguring |
| 00:11.30 | zash | SplasPood: thats what happens if i drag a link from firefox to my desktop |
| 00:14.23 | SplasPood | zash: on the N900? |
| 00:14.35 | zash | SplasPood: no, on my laptop :P |
| 00:15.01 | zash | don't maemo use the same kind of .desktop files for stuff |
| 00:15.43 | zash | maybe not for the "desktop" |
| 00:15.47 | zash | whatdoiknow |
| 00:16.01 | SplasPood | Well if it does I'm not sure where, I'll keep looking tho. |
| 00:17.08 | shiny_ | Does anyone here use pc-connectivity-manager at all? |
| 00:18.17 | SplasPood | well it def uses .desktop files for the applications themselves... |
| 00:20.36 | MaemohammadAG | ovi chat down? |
| 00:21.15 | papo | if I want to code a widget in python which contains a ticker, what would be the way to go in terms of UI (gtk/qt) and UI-components? |
| 00:21.49 | zash | is ovi chat xmpp? |
| 00:23.57 | shiny_ | maemo.org seems to have disappeared |
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| 00:26.28 | jebba | Waiting for headers again |
| 00:26.36 | woglinde | jebba is dead |
| 00:26.40 | jebba | wha? |
| 00:26.42 | woglinde | autobuilder stopped too |
| 00:26.43 | jebba | haha |
| 00:26.48 | woglinde | gateway dead |
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| 00:27.08 | shiny_ | Working for me now |
| 00:27.17 | jebba | lets see. Standard Operating Procedure. 1) bitch for a few minutes. 2) ping X-Fade 3) bitch some more 4) perhaps file a bug report |
| 00:27.54 | jebba | oh, forgot "check qaiku" |
| 00:28.08 | jebba | nothing in qaiku |
| 00:29.16 | javispedro | destroy autobuilder |
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| 00:31.17 | jebba | why dont they set up mirrors? |
| 00:32.14 | SpeedEvil | jebba: move to brainstorm |
| 00:32.20 | jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38095 |
| 00:32.20 | jebba | ok |
| 00:32.28 | jebba | SpeedEvil: think it will load? |
| 00:32.39 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:33.06 | jebba | i can't imagine a company that can build hardware like the n900 can't get a couple dozen fkn servers running. It's not like this is something new or anything. |
| 00:33.08 | javispedro | jebba: m.o is not signing packages and you're suggesting third party mirrors? |
| 00:33.18 | jebba | javispedro: heh |
| 00:33.20 | javispedro | it's the end of the world! |
| 00:33.43 | kamN900 | ok, python 3.11 buiiilt properly now |
| 00:33.45 | kamN900 | going to the gym |
| 00:36.15 | jebba | i dont think i can even install quilt in the Maemo-kernel scratchbox :( |
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| 00:39.59 | MaemohammadAG | 47% [Waiting for headers] :/ |
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| 00:41.17 | MaemohammadAG | anyone working on a facebook chat plugin for conversations? |
| 00:41.54 | hexa | hi all , i'm trying to write an app using webkit but when I try to load a url I get : QMaemoInternetConnectivity erros .. something likeThe name com.nokia.icd was not provided by any .service file .. but my resolv.conf is ok .. any ideas? |
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| 00:48.13 | javispedro | hexa: that is a scratchbox problem that I'm sure it's very common (so search a bit). It will work on device. |
| 00:48.32 | hexa | javispedro, yeah that's what i've been doing but without much sucess ;( |
| 00:48.45 | MaemohammadAG | [hildon-welcome] |
| 00:48.56 | MaemohammadAG | filename=Hands-v32-h264.avi |
| 00:48.57 | MaemohammadAG | filename=maemo_flyby_xvid_lame_r3.avi |
| 00:49.07 | hexa | javispedro, I get irc logs of ppl asking the same thing hehe |
| 00:49.11 | MaemohammadAG | anything wrong with that default.conf file? |
| 00:49.23 | papo | MaemohammadAG: I did the same but commented out the default one |
| 00:49.37 | MaemohammadAG | papo i may be weird but i want both |
| 00:50.04 | MaemohammadAG | do u know how to do it? |
| 00:50.13 | MaemohammadAG | a guy on youtube had it |
| 00:50.22 | papo | MaemohammadAG: Hm not sure if it works like this. But you could concatenate both the hands and the flyby video to one and use that |
| 00:50.50 | MaemohammadAG | hmm, not worth the trouble |
| 00:51.21 | papo | it's not that hard |
| 00:51.30 | MaemohammadAG | do i comment it out using # or //? |
| 00:51.45 | MaemohammadAG | well i know but i hate encoding stuff :p |
| 00:52.39 | MaemohammadAG | nvm, commented it out using # |
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| 00:53.04 | papo | MaemohammadAG: I think I used # |
| 00:53.52 | MaemohammadAG | testing it. |
| 00:53.54 | MaemohammadAG | rebooting |
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| 00:57.20 | MaemohammadAG | nope didn't work |
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| 00:57.26 | MaemohammadAG | nothing showed up |
| 00:57.36 | MaemohammadAG | it just went into the homescreen |
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| 01:00.25 | papo | MaemohammadAG: where did you put the flyby file? |
| 01:01.47 | MaemohammadAG | err |
| 01:02.13 | luke-jr | http://talk.maemo.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=292 |
| 01:02.22 | luke-jr | are 33% of N900s really with dead pixels?? |
| 01:02.45 | SpeedEvil | Mine has none. |
| 01:02.51 | MaemohammadAG | /usr//usr/share/hildon-welcome/media |
| 01:02.57 | SpeedEvil | Self-selecting sample. |
| 01:02.58 | MaemohammadAG | /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media |
| 01:03.06 | luke-jr | and according to another poll, almost 50% have GPS issues?? |
| 01:03.10 | SpeedEvil | Plus, some of htem are probably counting their fingers, if it's on talk. |
| 01:03.29 | SpeedEvil | I have GPS issues. |
| 01:03.29 | papo | MaemohammadAG: Hm so did I and it works for me |
| 01:03.36 | MaemohammadAG | luke-jr it's a software issue |
| 01:03.46 | MaemohammadAG | the dead pixel thing |
| 01:03.47 | luke-jr | MaemohammadAG: might as well be a hardware issue with Nokia's record |
| 01:03.52 | woglinde | speedevil which ones? |
| 01:04.03 | luke-jr | dead pixels are not software issues in any sense O.o |
| 01:04.13 | MaemohammadAG | lol i've had an n97, so i know nokia well |
| 01:04.18 | SpeedEvil | For example, GPS a couple of days when it was wanting to get a position after I opened the camera opened the connection dialog in the background. |
| 01:04.24 | SpeedEvil | And did not inform me of this at all |
| 01:04.25 | MaemohammadAG | luke-jr they're not dead |
| 01:04.34 | SpeedEvil | hence I was just pressing the shutter with no results. |
| 01:04.35 | luke-jr | MaemohammadAG: N97 has no relation to N900 |
| 01:04.46 | MaemohammadAG | i called someone's post a fake once |
| 01:05.01 | SpeedEvil | and as my fingers were cold and I was wearing gloves, I was assuming I had missed the shutter - hence possible device breakage as I pressed quite hard. |
| 01:05.05 | MaemohammadAG | luke-jr true, but it shows how nokia can have defects |
| 01:05.08 | MaemohammadAG | anyways |
| 01:05.11 | woglinde | SpeedEvil yeah gps dont really works without inet connection |
| 01:05.16 | woglinde | this suckz |
| 01:05.26 | MaemohammadAG | the guy had a screenshot of a 'dead' pixel |
| 01:05.32 | luke-jr | MaemohammadAG: N8x0 show very well how Nokia doesn't bother to fix software defects |
| 01:05.44 | luke-jr | woglinde: even with a fix? |
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| 01:05.52 | MaemohammadAG | now, hw issues don't show up in screenshots |
| 01:05.52 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: lol |
| 01:05.59 | jebba | ping X-Fade |
| 01:06.10 | papo | MaemohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/m22d26c82 that's my config and it works perfectly |
| 01:06.16 | jebba | is there anyone else to ping with the fkn REPOSITORIES are down? |
| 01:06.17 | woglinde | luke-jr didnt test |
| 01:06.21 | MaemohammadAG | so when i got my n900 i saw the same 'dead' pixel in the same position |
| 01:06.22 | luke-jr | woglinde: hm? |
| 01:06.34 | MaemohammadAG | so i just flicked the page and it moved |
| 01:06.35 | woglinde | luke-jr second failure when using offline mode gps dont works too |
| 01:06.43 | MaemohammadAG | so it's not a dead pixel |
| 01:07.02 | MaemohammadAG | it only appears in the browser in the middle of the screen |
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| 01:07.21 | MaemohammadAG | when moving between pages |
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| 01:07.43 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 01:08.12 | luke-jr | GPS is kinda important to me... :/ |
| 01:09.21 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It works fine as long as you never turn it off. |
| 01:09.23 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:09.26 | xnt14 | im back |
| 01:09.27 | MaemohammadAG | lol |
| 01:09.41 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: so once it has a fix, it keeps it? |
| 01:09.45 | cehteh | the gps works better than i feared |
| 01:09.46 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:09.51 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 01:09.58 | luke-jr | and it can get a fix on wifi? ;) |
| 01:10.01 | SpeedEvil | If it has had a fix in the last couple of hours, it seems mostly OK |
| 01:10.02 | woglinde | ct only with inet connection |
| 01:10.03 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes |
| 01:10.06 | MaemohammadAG | gps gets a lock in 5 secs here |
| 01:10.13 | cehteh | woglinde: nope even without |
| 01:10.17 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: with network positioning turned off? |
| 01:10.19 | woglinde | not mine |
| 01:10.22 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: and are you sure it's gps? |
| 01:10.33 | MaemohammadAG | speedevil, agps is on |
| 01:10.35 | cehteh | woglinde: you have to run some app which doesnt shut the gps down like maemo mapper or so |
| 01:10.38 | SpeedEvil | click the status area - does it show on the gps widget 'position coarse' |
| 01:10.45 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: any idea how AGPS works w/o cell? :P |
| 01:10.57 | cehteh | then you get a fix after some time .. actually it only took 5 minutes or so when i tried first |
| 01:11.00 | luke-jr | cehteh: I don't plan to run Maemo. |
| 01:11.01 | MaemohammadAG | it gets to accuracy coarse then it gets a lock |
| 01:11.04 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I assume it simply downloads ephemerides. |
| 01:11.14 | woglinde | here it alway wanted to open inet connection |
| 01:11.29 | woglinde | hm seems now it works |
| 01:11.29 | cehteh | well turn that off then |
| 01:11.32 | woglinde | offline |
| 01:11.35 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: but how? |
| 01:11.47 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: how does GPS talk to wifi? |
| 01:12.01 | woglinde | a-gps |
| 01:12.03 | cehteh | and with agps it gets a incredible fast fix .. almost when you leave your door |
| 01:12.09 | woglinde | it uses the gsm cell |
| 01:12.09 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I could answer this with tcpdump if I could be arsed. |
| 01:12.13 | luke-jr | Stskeeps tells me N900 GPS is hardware-GPS |
| 01:12.18 | woglinde | and contact the server |
| 01:12.21 | cehteh | but if carried in a pocket it is also very inaccurate |
| 01:12.25 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: uit's not. |
| 01:12.25 | cehteh | 50 or more meters off |
| 01:12.26 | MaemohammadAG | luke-jr it is |
| 01:12.28 | luke-jr | hardware GPS has connectivity how? |
| 01:12.38 | cehteh | (even when it reports detail accuracy) |
| 01:12.43 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: it's soft-gps - but the soft-gps bit is inside the phone modem CPU |
| 01:13.11 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: which has no connectivity without cell? |
| 01:13.16 | woglinde | hm no its started wifi |
| 01:13.18 | woglinde | *args* |
| 01:13.18 | MaemohammadAG | speedevil it has an hw gps receiver too |
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| 01:13.23 | cehteh | woglinde: loo |
| 01:13.27 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I found that IU got consistent (4m or better) errors when I was driving with it in my front-right trouser pocket. |
| 01:13.39 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: it doesn't. It's a soft-GPS run by the CPU in the modem. |
| 01:13.54 | SpeedEvil | That soft-GPS implements a hard GPS effectively - or it should. |
| 01:13.54 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: maybe after some time but not initally when you leave the door and move |
| 01:13.57 | MaemohammadAG | then why is it in the schematics |
| 01:14.05 | SpeedEvil | Schematics? |
| 01:14.22 | SpeedEvil | I'm basing the commnet above on the comments of bugs on gps. |
| 01:14.26 | cehteh | well at least i am positively surprised that it works better than i expected ... but i expected the worst |
| 01:14.33 | MaemohammadAG | level 1 & 2 service manuals |
| 01:14.35 | SpeedEvil | And poor datasheets from TI |
| 01:14.45 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: I think you may be thinking of the GPS antenna. |
| 01:14.47 | luke-jr | ... |
| 01:14.51 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: which has no connectivity without cell? |
| 01:14.58 | MaemohammadAG | i'm lost atm |
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| 01:15.19 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the modem cpu can be up and operating the GPS without the phone radio being on. |
| 01:15.20 | cehteh | you just have to know that you have to run some app which keeps the gps active .. the buildin/nokia apps shutdown gps before getting a fix (30 sec or so) when you dont have network |
| 01:15.23 | MaemohammadAG | if it has a gps antenna wouldn't have hw gps? |
| 01:15.31 | papo | MaemohammadAG: where can I find that manual? I'm interested in the schematics |
| 01:15.40 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: sorry - slightly ambiguous. |
| 01:15.44 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: but how will it get AGPS info? |
| 01:15.55 | MaemohammadAG | papo nokiausers.net |
| 01:15.56 | jebba | repos look up again |
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| 01:15.59 | MaemohammadAG | on the forums |
| 01:16.01 | cehteh | luke internet suppl.nokia.com |
| 01:16.12 | MaemohammadAG | just search for the level 1 & 2 manuals |
| 01:16.35 | luke-jr | cehteh: how does the phone get to the internet? |
| 01:16.38 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: the term I'm using - hard gps - refers to a standalone GPS unit that can produce a position. Soft GPS refers to a dumb radio which is used to recieve the signal only, and then is handed off to another processor to do the sums. |
| 01:16.48 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: neither of these direclty relates to agps. |
| 01:16.56 | cehteh | luke-jr: you need to have a data connection open |
| 01:16.59 | SpeedEvil | level 1 and 2 has no schematics |
| 01:17.06 | papo | MaemohammadAG: Interesting, thank you |
| 01:17.07 | SpeedEvil | simply which screws to undo |
| 01:17.10 | luke-jr | cehteh: SpeedEvil said it works w/ only WiFi |
| 01:17.22 | cehteh | luke-jr: actually there are different kinds if locating the phone. . read the docs |
| 01:17.23 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no, I said it works with wifi |
| 01:17.27 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: not only. |
| 01:17.31 | woglinde | I said it only works with inet connection here |
| 01:17.33 | cehteh | its transparent to the user |
| 01:17.37 | MaemohammadAG | speedevil i get you know |
| 01:17.38 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: read it again |
| 01:17.50 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: transparent to the user - ideally. |
| 01:17.50 | MaemohammadAG | thought you meant hw gps by hard gps |
| 01:18.11 | luke-jr | cehteh: I have no docs |
| 01:18.23 | cehteh | luke-jr: you need *some* kind of internet connection for agps .. either g2/g3 or wlan .. whatever works |
| 01:18.41 | luke-jr | cehteh: How does the GPS/phone talk to the WiFi? |
| 01:18.50 | woglinde | *sigh* |
| 01:18.53 | cehteh | firmware |
| 01:18.58 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: throught he phone module only |
| 01:18.59 | woglinde | the gsm modem reports the cell |
| 01:19.02 | luke-jr | cehteh: there is no physical connection |
| 01:19.07 | woglinde | and the server knows where the cell is |
| 01:19.15 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the gps is not connected to the main CPU, only to the phone module. |
| 01:19.17 | cehteh | luke-jr: some daemon does that |
| 01:19.23 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: exactly my point |
| 01:19.28 | luke-jr | cehteh: what daemon? |
| 01:19.35 | arachnist | This year is sponsored by letters MMX. |
| 01:19.36 | luke-jr | cehteh: how does that daemon talk to the GPS? |
| 01:19.36 | cehteh | find out by yourself |
| 01:19.40 | luke-jr | cehteh: how? |
| 01:19.45 | luke-jr | remember, I don't have one |
| 01:19.52 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the CPU then talks to the phone module, which does the GPSy stuff |
| 01:19.54 | cehteh | well then wait until you have one |
| 01:20.04 | luke-jr | cehteh: -.- |
| 01:20.08 | woglinde | liblocation and location-daemon |
| 01:20.14 | cehteh | iirc the gps is connected via gpio .. or may be i2c .. i dont know exactly |
| 01:20.14 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS |
| 01:20.37 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: the above - links to a bug where it's stated that the gps is connected to the phone. |
| 01:20.38 | cehteh | the protocolls about interfacing with the gps are not open unfortunally |
| 01:20.47 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: |
| 01:21.17 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: no new info there |
| 01:21.27 | luke-jr | cehteh: Stskeeps told me it did NMEA on a UART |
| 01:21.31 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: ah ok then the celluar firmware does it all |
| 01:21.41 | woglinde | hm okay intressting |
| 01:21.43 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the bug specifically says that it's connected to the phone module not the main cpu |
| 01:21.48 | woglinde | I thought it was a real gps |
| 01:21.55 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I think Stskeeps is wrong. |
| 01:22.00 | cehteh | luke-jr: maybe (well nmea can be just emulated by the firmware, not native to the gps chip) |
| 01:22.10 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that's why I'm wondering how the phone module does A-GPS when it has no internet itself |
| 01:22.10 | papo | MaemohammadAG: Hm sais "schematics - pending" |
| 01:22.15 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I've poked around all the uards I can find, and straced everything, and can find no nmea output. |
| 01:22.20 | luke-jr | cehteh: yes, NMEA is by the phone part |
| 01:22.24 | MaemohammadAG | papo http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/32388-nokia-n900-rx-51-service-manual-service-level-1-2-a.html |
| 01:22.32 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: even N810 had NMEA... |
| 01:22.57 | cehteh | well nmea doesnt tell anything because its the most simple and one direction protocol |
| 01:23.18 | SpeedEvil | MaemohammadAG: that has no schematics. |
| 01:23.28 | cehteh | to be serious you want to have some control over the receiver .. upload an cached almanac and stuff |
| 01:23.33 | MaemohammadAG | download the file |
| 01:23.37 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: nmea doesn't actually help - it reports positions. |
| 01:24.14 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: if the GPS is confused as to its current position - nmea output saying this won't help you |
| 01:24.24 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately right now our servers are overloaded and we have no more download slots left for non-members. Of course you can also try again later. |
| 01:24.38 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I want to be sure I won't have the same problems with N900 that this stupid N810 gives me |
| 01:24.53 | MaemohammadAG | off to bed, nn |
| 01:24.57 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - I have the file of that size. |
| 01:24.59 | woglinde | luke-jr hm seems without inet its more stupid |
| 01:25.03 | SpeedEvil | It does _NOT_ have schematics in. |
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| 01:25.22 | papo | MaemohammadAG: cya |
| 01:25.22 | MaemohammadAG | speedevil maybe i misused the term |
| 01:25.55 | MaemohammadAG | it has the disassembly instructions along with some solder points on the last page |
| 01:26.05 | SpeedEvil | http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA01/Schematic_1973-GTA01_public_RC0.pdf |
| 01:26.08 | SpeedEvil | this is a schematic |
| 01:26.23 | SpeedEvil | it lists the interconnection of every device soldered onto the PCB |
| 01:27.23 | SpeedEvil | (and coincidentally is my last phone) |
| 01:27.53 | SpeedEvil | I have seem L3 and L4 service manual claims - but don't have the cash atm to follow them up |
| 01:28.09 | MaemohammadAG | SpeedEvil, thanks for the correction. most users on the forum refer to them as schematics, which is wrong the way i see it now |
| 01:28.34 | papo | hm exactly, the picture is not a schematic (technically speaking), but thank you anyway |
| 01:28.56 | SpeedEvil | It's useful. |
| 01:29.00 | SpeedEvil | but L/ |
| 01:29.02 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:29.18 | MaemohammadAG | sorry for wasting your time |
| 01:29.22 | MaemohammadAG | didn't mean it |
| 01:29.32 | papo | np |
| 01:29.37 | papo | MaemohammadAG: and http://pastebin.com/m30328b9e |
| 01:30.50 | MaemohammadAG | oh ok. so you didn't use the same file you downloaded |
| 01:31.20 | SpeedEvil | I can't downlaod the file from rapidshare - I have a file with the same title, and filesize already. |
| 01:31.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm assuming it's the same file. |
| 01:31.48 | MaemohammadAG | it's just the level 1 & 2 manual |
| 01:31.55 | MaemohammadAG | if that's what you have |
| 01:32.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:32.15 | MaemohammadAG | the one that has confidential (ha, yeah right) on it |
| 01:32.35 | papo | MaemohammadAG: this is just about concatenating |
| 01:32.52 | papo | MaemohammadAG: output.mpg contains both. I don't use this but wanted to give it a try |
| 01:33.10 | MaemohammadAG | kk, thanks mate |
| 01:33.11 | papo | MaemohammadAG: and it works with the config file from the first pastebin link I showed |
| 01:33.14 | papo | np |
| 01:33.33 | MaemohammadAG | thanks again |
| 01:33.39 | papo | you are welcome |
| 01:33.45 | MaemohammadAG | :) |
| 01:33.49 | papo | don't know how the youtube-guy did it, though |
| 01:34.16 | MaemohammadAG | neither do i, he said they should play in alphabatical order |
| 01:34.32 | MaemohammadAG | anyways, it's getting late nn |
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| 01:34.39 | MaemohammadAG | is away |
| 01:34.46 | MaemohammadAG | nn |
| 01:37.19 | papo | hm looks like I can't poll for the battery level while charging... no way around that? |
| 01:37.49 | SpeedEvil | papo: look at cur_voltage |
| 01:38.40 | SpeedEvil | lshal|grep battery_voltage_current |
| 01:38.52 | cehteh | would be nice to make some app with interpolates that to the actual level (and also tricky because the charging curve is not linear) |
| 01:39.06 | SpeedEvil | 3V is dead flat, 4.1+ is topping off |
| 01:39.54 | papo | cehteh: I was thinking about precisely that. Even though the curve is not linear, it should be quite easy to interpolate the voltage... I guess I'll give it a try |
| 01:40.38 | cehteh | 3V means you need a new battery .. liion gets damaged when drained too much :) |
| 01:41.07 | SpeedEvil | 3V is fine |
| 01:41.18 | SpeedEvil | 2.5V with some makers |
| 01:41.29 | cehteh | well depends on the actual chemistry .. maybe these can go that low |
| 01:41.33 | SpeedEvil | 3-4.2 is the typically specified voltage |
| 01:41.43 | cehteh | laptop cells shouldnt go lower than 3.2V |
| 01:41.47 | SpeedEvil | Of essentially all cellphone bats. |
| 01:41.51 | cehteh | ok |
| 01:42.00 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: no 18650 datasheets I've found say 3.2 |
| 01:42.29 | papo | SpeedEvil: Hm not sure if I understand this |
| 01:43.01 | SpeedEvil | papo: It's annoyingly complex alas. |
| 01:43.07 | papo | as far is I know, Li-batteries are charged in two steps... first with constant current and then with constant voltage |
| 01:43.10 | SpeedEvil | Which is probably why they skipped it. |
| 01:43.14 | SpeedEvil | papo: yes. |
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| 01:43.21 | crashanddie | papo: you meant "extrapolate" |
| 01:43.27 | kamN900 | fuck! |
| 01:43.32 | SpeedEvil | The first part puts >80% or so of the charge in. |
| 01:43.34 | kamN900 | even with python 3.11 it STILL wont build |
| 01:43.36 | kamN900 | fockers |
| 01:44.18 | papo | crashanddie: err yes, and then interpolate for further runs based in that |
| 01:44.36 | crashanddie | papo: actually, would still be extrapolate |
| 01:44.47 | papo | crashanddie: probably, yes :) |
| 01:45.44 | papo | SpeedEvil: did you actually profile it? If not I guess I'll have to do that first |
| 01:47.24 | SpeedEvil | papo: no - general knowledge from reading way too many battery spec sheets. |
| 01:47.31 | papo | ok :) |
| 01:47.40 | SpeedEvil | papo: the amount that goes in in the constant voltage phase varies - it's less with a new battery. |
| 01:48.23 | SpeedEvil | papo: Tests I did with graphing that voltage output indicate that it is probably preprocessed by some software badly somewhere. |
| 01:48.40 | SpeedEvil | papo: it is very jumpy, not in a manner consistent with normal battery behaviour. |
| 01:48.51 | papo | hm |
| 01:49.13 | Caesium | did you guarantee the cpu/network/disk were idle for the entire test though? |
| 01:49.37 | Caesium | I assume any of them going active will drag the voltage down a bit, and it'll jump back up after it goes idle again? |
| 01:50.05 | SpeedEvil | Caesium: yes - but it diddn't. |
| 01:50.17 | SpeedEvil | wonders if he can find the graph |
| 01:50.23 | Caesium | would be interested to see it |
| 01:50.37 | Caesium | I noticed the same sort of jumpiness but my testing was limited to just a few looks at lshal | grep batt :) |
| 01:50.38 | papo | SpeedEvil: how bad is badly? maybe the data can be smoothed or something |
| 01:50.48 | papo | SpeedEvil: I'd also be very interested in this |
| 01:50.50 | Caesium | about ~50mV variations iirc |
| 01:51.48 | papo | I don't know much about batteries but I have a strong background in Biostatistics, I think I can make it if the data allows it |
| 01:52.13 | SpeedEvil | papo: It is smoothed. |
| 01:52.16 | SpeedEvil | That's the problem. |
| 01:52.19 | Caesium | I don't know anything about Li-ions, my interest lies more in sealed lead acids, got a huge bank of solar batteries here :) |
| 01:52.34 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't decay slowly like you would expect of a battery, it goes in jumps. |
| 01:52.53 | papo | hm ok |
| 01:53.10 | SpeedEvil | And I seem to have mislaid my log of it. |
| 01:54.30 | papo | SpeedEvil: a vague estimate would be enough for me, it's just that I plug in the charger, then forget when I started and some time later I have no clue how long it's going to need until it's charged... maybe this is also because I got the device a few days ago and don't have any impression yet about how long it takes to charge |
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| 01:55.27 | SpeedEvil | papo: the voltage is good. Though oddly it seems to report 4.1, not 4.2 even when charged. |
| 01:55.44 | SpeedEvil | I need to cross-check it with a meter. |
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| 02:01.22 | papo | hm. I understand that there are some special hildon widgets/selectors |
| 02:01.59 | papo | I'm trying to code a home widget with a ticker... I'm sure there are several ways to do that, so I'm looking for some hints |
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| 02:02.38 | SpeedEvil | you mean a desktop widget? |
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| 02:04.06 | papo | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 02:04.21 | crashanddie | haha |
| 02:04.25 | crashanddie | pretty good read: http://www.amazon.com/Sodomy-Pirate-Tradition-Seventeenth-Century-Caribbean/dp/0814712363 |
| 02:04.27 | SpeedEvil | tries to think of acailable widgets. |
| 02:04.33 | SpeedEvil | Can't think of one with a ticker. |
| 02:04.40 | papo | SpeedEvil: like the rss widget or the Ovi widget |
| 02:04.49 | zash | SVG! |
| 02:05.07 | SpeedEvil | papo: are eighter of those open source? |
| 02:05.43 | papo | SpeedEvil: don't think so, but I came across an introduction for such widgets and found some in the extra repos, so it should be possible someho |
| 02:05.44 | papo | w |
| 02:06.11 | papo | SpeedEvil: I'm thinking of a nagios widget... I took a gnome project written in python and stripped the pygtk/UI stuff and want to replace that to make a decent widget |
| 02:06.33 | SpeedEvil | Nagios? |
| 02:06.59 | papo | but it looks like I'm much better in command line programs than in anything with a GUI, so I'm kind of lost for the second part |
| 02:07.04 | papo | SpeedEvil: yes it's a monitoring framework |
| 02:07.11 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:07.29 | papo | SpeedEvil: you can set up a couple of hosts and services to monitor and when anything goes down it sends emails or pager notices |
| 02:08.33 | SpeedEvil | A simple widget for stupid people would be nice. |
| 02:08.45 | SpeedEvil | It takes input from a pipe |
| 02:09.01 | SpeedEvil | you send it <img=url> and it displays it |
| 02:09.08 | SpeedEvil | or it displays text |
| 02:09.18 | papo | yes text would be what I'm looking for |
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| 02:09.34 | papo | the problem is that I have tons of services which usually all have the status OK |
| 02:09.47 | papo | so it wouldn't make sense to come up with a giant widget |
| 02:09.59 | Caesium | normally you'd just hide any with status OK, surely? |
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| 02:10.12 | papo | Caesium: yes |
| 02:10.38 | Caesium | you'd need a script to generate the text to the widget I guess |
| 02:10.43 | papo | Caesium: but still, I usually have 1-3 services with a status of 'warning' or 'critical' |
| 02:11.14 | papo | so I don't want to make the widget 4 lines (3 services + scrolling) high since most of the space would be unused most of the time |
| 02:11.21 | papo | a ticker would be more appropriate IMO |
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| 02:16.48 | kamN900 | man, still finding deps that are needed |
| 02:16.52 | kamN900 | freeking openal |
| 02:16.53 | kamN900 | what a pain |
| 02:19.01 | Sargun | How do I get fdisk on the device |
| 02:19.06 | Sargun | on the n900 |
| 02:19.30 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install cfdisk |
| 02:19.34 | SpeedEvil | there is sfdisk there |
| 02:19.42 | SpeedEvil | but silly fdisk is silly |
| 02:21.00 | Sargun | how is it sillly? |
| 02:21.33 | Sargun | E: Couldn't find package cfdisk |
| 02:22.21 | SpeedEvil | cfdisk is in extras-devel |
| 02:22.49 | SpeedEvil | sfdisk relies on the user to input all data with essentially no checks. |
| 02:23.10 | SpeedEvil | cfdisk is 9K larger and is moderately user friendly |
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| 02:23.55 | SpeedEvil | err - no. |
| 02:24.03 | SpeedEvil | cfdisk also pulls in curses |
| 02:24.11 | SpeedEvil | which makes it a fair bit larger |
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| 02:25.18 | Sargun | oh |
| 02:25.27 | Sargun | dude, we have 32G |
| 02:25.40 | SpeedEvil | 256 on / |
| 02:25.41 | SpeedEvil | M |
| 02:25.51 | Sargun | oh, yeah...fuck |
| 02:26.04 | Sargun | whose idea was that? and why aren't we using LVM like palm? |
| 02:27.14 | lpotter | why would it? |
| 02:28.31 | Sargun | so, we can resize in the field |
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| 02:29.11 | kamN900 | a hex on palm |
| 02:29.28 | kamN900 | but only for dissapointing me by never releasing cobalt |
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| 02:30.48 | Sargun | kamN900, you don't like the webos? |
| 02:31.16 | kamN900 | never used it, though I hear it evolved from a fork of cobalt |
| 02:31.41 | kamN900 | I like what I've seenn from the commercials, but Im bitter that cobalt never came |
| 02:31.55 | kamN900 | some early footage looked pretty awesome |
| 02:32.07 | kamN900 | somewhat like what memo5 offers now |
| 02:32.19 | lpotter | and what happens when the lvm gets corrupted and you cant make an emergency phone call? |
| 02:32.45 | kamN900 | well, same question for you, but insert root partition gets full and phone reboots |
| 02:33.34 | lpotter | I'd much rather wait for a reboot than waiting for a reflash |
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| 02:35.29 | Sargun | lpotter, when has lvm gotten corrupted for you? |
| 02:35.39 | lpotter | lots of times |
| 02:36.00 | Sargun | What were you doing to it? and was this lvm2? |
| 02:38.19 | lpotter | wasnt doing anything to it. came into work one day, machine was off. once they fixed the hardware, it wouldnt boot as lvm was borked. |
| 02:39.34 | Sargun | hmm. |
| 02:39.38 | Sargun | Odd |
| 02:39.59 | Sargun | we run LVM on almost all of our hardware at work, and I've never seen _any_ issues with it |
| 02:44.13 | kamN900 | cross fingers, I just tried to compile openmp out of the source |
| 02:45.26 | kamN900 | if this thing works, Im gonnna need some help with the packaging portion |
| 02:45.33 | kamN900 | never made a deb before |
| 02:45.48 | kamN900 | more like when this thing works |
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| 02:53.51 | phreck | whoever fixed up xchat, kudos |
| 02:55.36 | ceh901 | next: please fix the random reboots |
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| 02:56.34 | SpeedEvil | has never had one. |
| 02:56.51 | SpeedEvil | wonders what wierd stuff ceh901 is doing. |
| 02:58.00 | ceh901 | nothing just crashes 1-3 times a day without reason |
| 02:58.33 | ceh901 | playing netradio but otherwise idle |
| 02:58.40 | phreck | ive had no issue as well |
| 02:58.52 | phreck | did you flash your device |
| 02:58.57 | SpeedEvil | I never play netradio |
| 02:59.42 | ceh901 | yes. that maybe fixed it for 2days |
| 03:00.28 | ceh901 | i'll just send it back when my other order is confirmed |
| 03:01.04 | phreck | ah |
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| 03:02.11 | kamui2 | lookin good |
| 03:02.14 | dmj7261 | Is there a way to get microb to support theora? |
| 03:02.17 | kamui2 | been building for like 10 minutes |
| 03:15.20 | cehteh | kamui2: you building openmp for the n900? |
| 03:15.41 | Sargun | openamp? |
| 03:15.55 | cehteh | openmp would make me really wodner |
| 03:17.39 | SpeedEvil | There are maybe 7 cores in the n900 |
| 03:17.51 | SpeedEvil | Though not all will be reprogrammable. |
| 03:18.01 | cehteh | yeah :) |
| 03:18.09 | cehteh | and they are not symetric |
| 03:18.20 | cehteh | iirc thats an requirement for openmp |
| 03:18.21 | SpeedEvil | not very, no. |
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| 03:20.19 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, 7? GSM, CPU, Wi-Fi, GPS (or is it a "dumb" chip), GPU |
| 03:20.32 | dmj7261 | perhaps openmp is a dependency of blender? |
| 03:20.39 | cehteh | gps can not be completely dumb it needs some dsp |
| 03:21.04 | cehteh | and you forgot *the* DSP |
| 03:21.18 | jebba | wtf is with building blender on the n900? How could that possibly be usable? |
| 03:21.20 | cehteh | thats prolly the only user reprogrammanle 2nd cpi |
| 03:21.35 | dmj7261 | blender 2.5 |
| 03:21.39 | kamui2 | no |
| 03:21.41 | kamui2 | ceh901 |
| 03:21.45 | kamui2 | cehteh: forge tthat |
| 03:21.48 | kamui2 | it was a nightmare |
| 03:21.53 | kamui2 | looks like I had to rebuild GCC |
| 03:21.56 | kamui2 | and I wasn't doing that |
| 03:21.59 | kamui2 | i just compiled out that option |
| 03:22.04 | cehteh | you really meant openmp? :) |
| 03:22.08 | kamui2 | and it was working too, but my system broke |
| 03:22.10 | cehteh | hehe good choice |
| 03:22.30 | cehteh | and yes openmp needs a matching gcc |
| 03:22.34 | kamui2 | cehteh, yea, I didn't know what it was, but a little research and I realized that I would be rebuilding the kernel before long |
| 03:22.38 | cehteh | i could have told that to you before :) |
| 03:22.40 | Macer | hahahahaha |
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| 03:22.53 | kamui2 | yea, I wish you had been here when I was bitching |
| 03:22.54 | Macer | the starving artist starve sale! |
| 03:22.56 | Macer | omg! hahhaha |
| 03:22.57 | dmj7261 | So you just disabled openmp for blender? |
| 03:23.00 | jebba | dmj7261: but really? Like blender the 3D app? How could that be used? |
| 03:23.00 | cehteh | and well openmp is only useful if you have at least 2 cpus .. better (much) more |
| 03:23.02 | Macer | that's just cruel |
| 03:23.06 | kamui2 | every time I hit a new god damn dep, I whine |
| 03:23.25 | jello69 | the tv-out quality is the best signal i have seen |
| 03:23.25 | kamui2 | anyway, im glad it seems like I hit my last roadblock |
| 03:23.29 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: bluetooth too |
| 03:23.33 | Macer | they are having a starving artist art sale in chicago |
| 03:23.34 | kamui2 | I love tv out on the N900 |
| 03:23.40 | Macer | i wonder if any of the artists are going to go there |
| 03:23.42 | kamui2 | I love everything about the N900 except conversations |
| 03:23.46 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: GSM may also have 2 cores |
| 03:23.48 | kamui2 | and the phonebook |
| 03:23.50 | dmj7261 | http://imagebin.org/77910 |
| 03:23.51 | cehteh | wants to port his C/C++ debugging lib to n900 too .. next days |
| 03:23.55 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, oh, yeah, DSP. |
| 03:24.06 | jebba | holy smokes |
| 03:24.12 | dmj7261 | jebba: view that on an n900 and see what you think |
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| 03:24.18 | kamui2 | damn, thats usually bad when you get like 100 warnings |
| 03:24.23 | jebba | i think you may be nuts ;) |
| 03:24.25 | kamui2 | I may have to build ffmpeg |
| 03:24.27 | kamui2 | *sigh* |
| 03:24.35 | jebba | kamui2: i built ffmpeg already |
| 03:24.38 | kamui2 | no one is gonna render on the N900, why the hell is this a dependency |
| 03:24.39 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: well nothing is harder reprogrammable than the baseband chipset .. i wont even wonder if nokia doesnt know anything about it and only uses TI's sdk |
| 03:24.44 | kamui2 | jebba, o suite |
| 03:24.50 | kamui2 | gpackage? |
| 03:24.57 | kamui2 | I need the headers and lib |
| 03:24.59 | jebba | should be in extras devel if it ever made it thru the fkn builder |
| 03:25.02 | cehteh | ah no there are some open stacks in the works |
| 03:25.10 | kamui2 | Ill look if it crashes on me |
| 03:25.15 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: yes - though some TI docs on earlier chips have leaked |
| 03:25.16 | cehteh | but still the big corps sit on their patents there |
| 03:25.17 | kamui2 | right now I think it will opt to skip ffmpeg |
| 03:25.24 | jebba | kamui2: or you can use my repo: |
| 03:25.25 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.26 | kamui2 | thats what all the warnings are fo |
| 03:25.27 | kamui2 | r |
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| 03:25.32 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: there is complete documentation on the TI calypso chipset |
| 03:25.35 | kamui2 | thanks jebbs |
| 03:25.46 | Sargun | Writing a GSM stack is non-trivial |
| 03:25.47 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: which is GSM modem used in the openmoko phones. |
| 03:25.52 | SpeedEvil | very. |
| 03:25.53 | jebba | kamui2: if there's any other deps that need to be built for ffmpeg, lemme know and i can build them |
| 03:25.56 | cehteh | kamui2: hey i have emacs23 running on my n900 .. if you strip blender further there wont be much difference :) |
| 03:26.09 | kamui2 | lol ceh901 |
| 03:26.13 | kamui2 | cehteh |
| 03:26.20 | cehteh | well same person :) |
| 03:26.28 | kamui2 | i figured, but it semed rude |
| 03:26.28 | kamui2 | :) |
| 03:26.44 | kamui2 | I remember 10 years ago, I had a crossroads, learn vi or learn emacs |
| 03:26.48 | kamui2 | I picked vi |
| 03:26.57 | kamui2 | now I want to learn emacs... this might be the perfect time |
| 03:27.09 | Sargun | noo |
| 03:27.14 | Sargun | nano forever |
| 03:27.15 | cehteh | emacs needs little hacking for the n900 but then works nice |
| 03:27.34 | cehteh | and moreover the emacs23 package is a complete version, not crippled |
| 03:27.40 | cehteh | fully optified |
| 03:28.01 | cehteh | http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B8%E6%922%E5%A4%96%EFC%9AGNU%20Emacs%20for%20Nokia%20N900.html |
| 03:28.12 | cehteh | grr .. xchat hates percent signs |
| 03:28.24 | cehteh | google yourself "emacs n900" |
| 03:28.49 | kamui2 | yea |
| 03:28.53 | kamui2 | but xchat on the N900 rocks |
| 03:28.59 | kamui2 | also |
| 03:28.59 | jebba | natisbad did an emacs build |
| 03:29.01 | kamui2 | pidgin is WAY better than I expected |
| 03:29.08 | kamui2 | doesn't suck battery down at all |
| 03:29.16 | cehteh | imo emacs could be a very nice mobile OS .. with the dbus support it can do almost anything and more the n900 can do and lacks still |
| 03:29.21 | kamui2 | just need a better way to launch it, and keep messages from auto maximizing |
| 03:29.36 | cehteh | jebba: is that the maemo4 build? |
| 03:29.40 | kamui2 | yea, thats what I find crazy about how people describe emacs |
| 03:29.41 | Sargun | o.O |
| 03:29.47 | dmj7261 | Pidgin is great once you tweak the ui to let you see more than 3 lines of text |
| 03:29.47 | kamui2 | like emacs is a way of life, not an editor |
| 03:29.53 | kamui2 | emacs can do anything |
| 03:29.58 | jebba | http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-apps-emacs-22.2.html |
| 03:30.01 | kamui2 | yea, im working on the options dmj7261 |
| 03:30.04 | arachnist | a way of life without a good text editor |
| 03:30.08 | cehteh | thats emacs22 not 23 :) |
| 03:30.09 | kamui2 | how can you make shit autostart |
| 03:30.26 | kamui2 | after busybox has started |
| 03:30.32 | kamui2 | or is it matchbox |
| 03:30.37 | kamui2 | the window manager |
| 03:30.38 | kamui2 | shit |
| 03:30.39 | kamui2 | shoot |
| 03:30.40 | jebba | matchbox gets loaded then dropped |
| 03:30.59 | jebba | not sure exactly what it's doing, but afaict its part of the gui bootstrapping or somesuch |
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| 03:31.51 | jebba | busybox is the embedded "do all" which contains ls, cat, grep, df, modprobe, etc everything symlinked to one small binary. Meant for embedded systems. So you dont get real GNU ls, etc. |
| 03:36.12 | SpeedEvil | And is annoyingly compatible. |
| 03:36.22 | SpeedEvil | The most used switches tend to work. |
| 03:36.25 | kamui2 | still building |
| 03:36.29 | SpeedEvil | Anything else doesn't. |
| 03:36.36 | kamui2 | oh well, for now Im ok living with launching pidgin manually after reboot |
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| 03:44.38 | kamui2 | which v4l device is the frontcam? |
| 03:44.47 | kamui2 | vs6555? |
| 03:44.57 | SpeedEvil | 0 I think |
| 03:44.57 | kamui2 | or adp1653 |
| 03:45.02 | SpeedEvil | the vs* is the crapcam |
| 03:45.07 | kamui2 | ok sweet |
| 03:45.09 | kamui2 | thanks |
| 03:45.49 | SpeedEvil | Though some digging on the spec sheets I could find for it seemed to indicate it shouldn't be close to as bad as it is. |
| 03:45.49 | dmj7261 | vs6555 as opposed to video1? |
| 03:45.54 | SpeedEvil | It should be quite bad - but not _that_ bad. |
| 03:46.22 | SpeedEvil | Unless the spec-sheets lie. |
| 03:47.13 | wackl | does someone know how to enable the video-output of the N900? |
| 03:47.25 | villager | SpeedEvil: don't they say that cam is one of the things the next firmware update is supposed to fix? |
| 03:48.05 | villager | was some driver bug |
| 03:48.07 | dmj7261 | it has already been improved in recent firmware, but that firmware is not public yet from what I've heard |
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| 03:49.16 | kamui2 | shit |
| 03:49.25 | kamui2 | what protocols does pidgin support |
| 03:49.27 | kamui2 | video on |
| 03:49.37 | kamui2 | msn and aim don't allow a video call |
| 03:49.40 | kamui2 | apparently |
| 03:49.58 | SpeedEvil | villager: fixed - yes. - but 31dB SNR at 100 lux isn't anything great. |
| 03:50.06 | SpeedEvil | (manufacturers specs) |
| 03:50.18 | SpeedEvil | kamui2: none - AIUI |
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| 03:51.32 | villager | SpeedEvil: yes, I wasn't disputing the "it should be quite bad" part, just that the "not _that_ bad" is being dealt with |
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| 03:53.27 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 03:53.35 | mattsqz | no |
| 03:53.38 | mattsqz | ? |
| 03:53.59 | SpeedEvil | wishes another TI technology was available in cheap cams. |
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| 03:54.04 | SpeedEvil | Impactron CCDs |
| 03:54.12 | kamui2 | anyone have issues with wifi not reconnecting automatically |
| 03:54.16 | kamui2 | this is wierd |
| 03:54.16 | SpeedEvil | essentially image intensifier tech in solid state |
| 03:54.25 | kamui2 | usualy I can't get the at&t to connect automatically |
| 03:54.45 | kamui2 | but now it always wants to use that and not wifi, despite the fact that I set wifi to preferred, and I have my home wifi and at&t in my connections list |
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| 03:55.53 | villager | I have wifi issues if the n900's wifi powersaving is too high |
| 03:56.16 | villager | if the ap doesn't like it |
| 03:56.43 | villager | I should get a better ap one of these days |
| 03:57.06 | redeeman | what sort of issues? |
| 03:58.51 | villager | at highest powersaving level (default), it has problems connecting to the ap... at medium powersaving (which I use now), it becomes unreachable if I don't use internet actively on the n900 |
| 03:59.05 | villager | I was just replying to kamui2 |
| 03:59.31 | redeeman | i have a linksys wap54g which works perfectly, i also have a china one, doesn't work |
| 03:59.38 | redeeman | (in that powersaving is broken there) |
| 03:59.47 | SpeedEvil | With most extreme powersaving turned on, ssh is a bit slow when typing to the n900 |
| 03:59.51 | SpeedEvil | but that's it |
| 03:59.53 | SpeedEvil | (for me) |
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| 04:10.08 | jebba | SpeedEvil: there's lots been done on the camera at gitorious it appears. Not sure when it'll hit the end users though. |
| 04:10.37 | jebba | git://gitorious.org/omap3camera/mainline.git |
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| 04:18.08 | jello69 | why dont our mp3 players output 48k to skip the resampling? |
| 04:18.28 | jello69 | wonder if i has the skills? |
| 04:18.38 | jello69 | someone has? |
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| 04:18.49 | jello69 | please say |
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| 04:21.12 | jello69 | the proper place to do it is in the fast fourier transform from frequency domain to time domain; input sample base rate rate may be 32khz or 16 or 44.1 but pcm sound is *always* generated at 48khz |
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| 04:24.38 | jello69 | maybe only mplayer suffers this |
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| 04:27.33 | jebba | how would one do something like `iwconfig wlan0 essid foo` on the n900? no iw, iwconfig |
| 04:27.55 | jebba | fix plz ;) |
| 04:30.28 | SpeedEvil | jello69: naah |
| 04:31.27 | SpeedEvil | jello69: unless it's fundamentally impossible to change the samplerate in hardware - and I doubt that - it makes vastly more sense to simply switch to the samplerate of a program requesting it that uses a lot of sound |
| 04:31.44 | SpeedEvil | jello69: So mplayer gets to switch samplerates. pidgin doesn't. |
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| 04:33.00 | jebba | ah duh, wireless tools |
| 04:33.36 | jello69 | hi fi |
| 04:33.53 | jello69 | we also need package bundles |
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| 04:34.10 | jello69 | gcompris because it |
| 04:34.15 | jello69 | gcompris is not |
| 04:34.24 | jello69 | gcompris goiont to |
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| 04:34.31 | jello69 | gcompris do like this |
| 04:34.49 | jello69 | brainstorm |
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| 04:34.57 | SpeedEvil | cheesestorm |
| 04:35.37 | jello69 | i guess mplayer doesnt need to optihified |
| 04:35.50 | SpeedEvil | fk |
| 04:35.51 | SpeedEvil | afk |
| 04:36.05 | SpeedEvil | well - not technically aFK, it's right next to me, but I'm going to sleep |
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| 04:36.43 | jello69 | good night SpeedEvil - thanks |
| 04:37.09 | jello69 | appreciate your thoughts |
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| 04:59.00 | cehteh | uhm ... suddenly i cant connect to wlan anymore |
| 05:01.19 | Remosi | I've had that happen -- rebooting seems to fix it |
| 05:01.38 | kamui2 | well after wasting 20 minutes or so compiling openEXR and its deps, I am excluding it from teh final build :) |
| 05:01.41 | kamui2 | sweet. |
| 05:02.27 | cehteh | nope done a cold reboot, the accelerometer was stuck too |
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| 05:02.37 | cehteh | maybe i reboot my AP |
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| 05:04.05 | lcuk | cehteh, mmm ? thats a new one. if the accelerometer gets stuck again, please run liqflow and confirm its truly stuck |
| 05:04.22 | cehteh | reboot fixed it |
| 05:04.29 | lcuk | yeah, still |
| 05:04.40 | lcuk | thats odd, never encountered anything but rock solid accel |
| 05:05.08 | cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=444069#post444069 |
| 05:05.19 | cehteh | seems i am not the only one |
| 05:06.18 | cehteh | well my laptops accelerometer can be calibrated by /sys ... donno about the n900 .. i would have tried that if wlan worked, but this really required a reboot |
| 05:06.49 | cehteh | wlan shows my network but cant dhcp a ip |
| 05:06.59 | cehteh | so prolly a acesspoint issue |
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| 05:10.06 | lcuk | cehteh, not come across any calibration stuff |
| 05:10.23 | lcuk | not needed it, but i note attitude people have mentioned it |
| 05:11.26 | cehteh | resetting AP worked |
| 05:12.25 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.25 | cehteh | (25,478,878) |
| 05:12.31 | cehteh | on my laptop ... |
| 05:12.51 | cehteh | you can write values there |
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| 05:15.53 | Flandry | <3 the new autobuild servers |
| 05:17.50 | lcuk | smiles @ Flandry. that sounds promising |
| 05:18.02 | cehteh | finally in service? |
| 05:18.10 | Flandry | i assume |
| 05:18.24 | lcuk | coughs |
| 05:18.26 | Flandry | it took about 3 minutes from submission to notification of success just now |
| 05:18.53 | lcuk | does it require a fuck yeah! :D if so thats great. |
| 05:18.53 | cehteh | nice |
| 05:19.18 | Flandry | something like that :D |
| 05:19.38 | lcuk | important part, did it pass |
| 05:19.46 | Flandry | of course :P |
| 05:19.48 | lcuk | dohs |
| 05:19.53 | lcuk | you already said lol |
| 05:19.57 | Flandry | i can fail a dozen times a minute lol |
| 05:20.08 | lcuk | thats quite good to hear |
| 05:20.58 | Flandry | [2010-01-03 07:10:03] Processing package gweled 0.3.2-1. Uploader: flandry, builder: builder2 |
| 05:21.02 | Flandry | [2010-01-03 07:11:09] gweled 0.3.2-1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository |
| 05:21.48 | Flandry | 66 seconds from starting to finished |
| 05:22.17 | lcuk | can you automatically push to -testing ? |
| 05:22.27 | lcuk | or is that a manual webapp right now? |
| 05:22.41 | Flandry | how do you mean, automatically? |
| 05:22.52 | Flandry | you click a link in the package page |
| 05:23.09 | Flandry | beyond that it's automatic |
| 05:23.14 | lcuk | ahh, so could be automated |
| 05:23.36 | lcuk | neat :) |
| 05:23.38 | Arkenoi | I have to admit that for month+ i use n900 i've never received a single MMS (i mean, not even delivery attempt) |
| 05:23.40 | Flandry | i think it's supposed to be manual |
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| 05:23.57 | Flandry | not everything in -devel should be promoted :D |
| 05:24.10 | lcuk | of course :) |
| 05:24.29 | lcuk | but its only technical grounds which limit that |
| 05:25.05 | lcuk | if a canonical package could be created that was game level addons |
| 05:25.24 | lcuk | that are known safe because the game engine deals with them |
| 05:26.06 | Flandry | oh, yeah |
| 05:26.29 | Flandry | well we need to figure out how to handle those still i think |
| 05:26.41 | Flandry | they shouldn't need to be in /user/ |
| 05:26.42 | lcuk | same way |
| 05:26.46 | lcuk | the mechanism works |
| 05:26.54 | Flandry | i posted about that earlier today |
| 05:27.06 | lcuk | why does it matter |
| 05:27.07 | Flandry | thinking about that very issue |
| 05:27.27 | lcuk | the addons might be new screensavers |
| 05:27.36 | lcuk | curses hannah montanah but thats where it sticks |
| 05:27.45 | lcuk | same rules |
| 05:27.46 | kamui2 | lol |
| 05:27.47 | kamui2 | compiled out ffmpeg |
| 05:27.50 | Flandry | because HAM has limited granularity |
| 05:28.06 | jebba | cool, i just got NAT going on the N900 so i can use it as a wifi hotspot via gprs0 |
| 05:28.07 | Flandry | lol hannah |
| 05:28.09 | lcuk | the breakdown of the app store |
| 05:28.24 | kamui2 | I can build it back later with jebba's ffmpeg after I get a successful first build |
| 05:28.29 | lcuk | the one place where not all apps can live easily |
| 05:28.36 | Flandry | and there's no reason to put add-ons for an app visible to people who don't have the app installed |
| 05:28.40 | luke-jr | jebba: pfft NAT; use IPv6! |
| 05:28.44 | lcuk | some events are created within a context or event |
| 05:28.51 | jebba | kamui2: i was gone for a bit. You need anything for ffmpeg? |
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| 05:29.03 | kamui2 | at the moment, Im compiling it out |
| 05:29.20 | kamui2 | once I get a good build Ill try it and let you know whats up |
| 05:29.23 | jebba | ok |
| 05:29.28 | jebba | moe@blagblagblag.org if you need to email me |
| 05:29.31 | Flandry | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39073 |
| 05:29.44 | kamui2 | at this point, its been 2 days and I just want to see this thing run on the N900 |
| 05:29.51 | lcuk | has been busy last couple of weeks |
| 05:31.01 | jebba | heh |
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| 05:34.25 | lcuk | Flandry, :) nice, happy new year btw |
| 05:34.27 | Arkenoi | Wow, is it quite polular practice among european cellular networks to charge you monthly for just the fact you have data plan, while "default" tariffs are voice-only? (still reading the MMS thread on tmo) |
| 05:35.03 | jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=450777#post450777 microHOWTO for NAT |
| 05:35.25 | kamui2 | not that I use it much, but is mms in the upcoming fw feature list? |
| 05:35.38 | kamui2 | speaking of FW, where can i get a copy of my fw just in case I have to restore? |
| 05:35.49 | kamui2 | anything stock for download, or woul dI have to image my own device essentially |
| 05:36.04 | luke-jr | O.O |
| 05:36.07 | kamui2 | btw |
| 05:36.09 | kamui2 | blender is FINISHE! |
| 05:36.11 | luke-jr | is it possible to use texts for IP?? |
| 05:36.16 | luke-jr | IPoTXT |
| 05:36.21 | Flandry | nice |
| 05:36.24 | luke-jr | screw data plan then? |
| 05:36.46 | Flandry | happy new year lcuk and everyone, belatedly |
| 05:37.11 | Remosi | is there any way to find out what frequency/protocol 3G is using at the moment? |
| 05:37.30 | luke-jr | Remosi: yes |
| 05:38.03 | luke-jr | something like that is certainly possible |
| 05:38.10 | luke-jr | whether Nokia will tell you how to, I doubt |
| 05:38.16 | luke-jr | unless they actually explicitly support it |
| 05:38.35 | luke-jr | because they obviously think they still own the N900 they sold to you |
| 05:41.28 | lcuk | by the way, does anyone know how to use the vibration thing, is there a c example anyewhere? |
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| 05:45.25 | jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/NAT |
| 05:46.00 | lcuk | more coolness :D |
| 05:46.04 | lcuk | beds anyway |
| 05:47.03 | kamui2 | so |
| 05:47.11 | luke-jr | so |
| 05:47.13 | kamui2 | whats the easiest way to get something out of the scratchbox and onto the phone |
| 05:47.18 | kamui2 | tar bz |
| 05:47.24 | kamui2 | and then ssh it over? |
| 05:50.01 | dmj7261 | would like to know this too. |
| 05:51.18 | villager | cool, cold reset of n900 actually resets the accelerometer? I thought mine was permanently busted |
| 05:58.19 | jebba | kamui2: well, build a .deb then ssh it over would be one. Or make a mini repo |
| 05:58.59 | jebba | I have a section on making .debs and your own repo in this: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO |
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| 05:59.56 | Kamui | copying the archive over now |
| 06:00.16 | Kamui | damn its gonna be a super hassle to package all this dynamically |
| 06:00.42 | Kamui | maybe i should just do one huge static binary in /opt |
| 06:01.49 | cehteh | Kamui: sbrsh for testing |
| 06:02.18 | cehteh | villager: i rather wonder why it cant be resetted online |
| 06:03.44 | villager | cehteh: yeah, I reloaded the driver and everything, nothing worked |
| 06:03.55 | villager | warm reboot didn't work |
| 06:04.06 | cehteh | yes tried that too :) |
| 06:04.34 | cehteh | but found the thread already some time ago, but cant believe that removing battery is necessary |
| 06:04.57 | villager | and there's no way to calibrate it or anything... I found the X and Z axis got about 6 G off center |
| 06:05.11 | villager | just posted in the talk thread |
| 06:06.21 | jebba | hmm, you can get to talk? i can't at the moment. that's one part that generally works too |
| 06:06.37 | villager | I registered on talk a few minutes ago |
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| 06:07.15 | shinkamui | I dont seem to have sbrsh |
| 06:07.20 | shinkamui | was that supposed to be stock? |
| 06:07.37 | cehteh | dunno |
| 06:07.42 | jebba | reggiesuplido.com ? |
| 06:07.49 | shinkamui | checking documentation |
| 06:08.01 | cehteh | you have to install the sbrshd on the device at least .. from -devel |
| 06:08.13 | cehteh | but for the scratchbox i thought its default |
| 06:08.22 | cehteh | i admit i didnt used it yet :) |
| 06:12.10 | ali1234 | do we know what accelerometer chip it is yet? |
| 06:12.29 | villager | lis302dl |
| 06:13.42 | ali1234 | how did you even get it into 8G mode? |
| 06:14.03 | villager | I said how in the talk posting... that echo command |
| 06:14.53 | ali1234 | according to the datasheet there's a power down reg, that should reset it |
| 06:15.04 | villager | yes, but it didn't seem to work |
| 06:15.20 | pwnguin | afaik the general calibration for accels is to place it two ways for each axis |
| 06:16.09 | pwnguin | so you can measure +1g and -1g for x y and z |
| 06:16.29 | jebba | why does talk.maemo.org wordwrap [code] ? |
| 06:16.31 | jebba | gah |
| 06:16.32 | pwnguin | probably could be done in factory and programmed |
| 06:16.33 | ali1234 | it's factory calibrated, stored in NVRAM |
| 06:16.43 | pwnguin | well there you go |
| 06:16.46 | ali1234 | but presumably you can recalibrate it... that must be what you did |
| 06:17.07 | pwnguin | the digital horizon apps on mine seem off |
| 06:17.10 | lcuk | is this similar to sending a pal tv to aus? |
| 06:17.36 | villager | maybe the calibration registers got messed up somehow by some linux bug, maybe a stray write to the i2c bus or whatever... but *I* certainly didn't recalibrate it |
| 06:17.42 | lcuk | villager, where are you and where does your device think it should be (ie where did you buy it?) |
| 06:18.10 | ali1234 | or rather, wrote over the registers |
| 06:18.21 | cehteh | i didnt do anything to the accel either, so prolly some bug |
| 06:18.43 | villager | ali1234: I wasn't messing with any of this stuff before it got busted |
| 06:19.00 | villager | I started looking into it later in order to see if I could fix it |
| 06:19.27 | cehteh | the calibration here isnt very accurate either |
| 06:19.27 | villager | lcuk: huh? I'm in Tromsø, Norway, and that's where I bought it |
| 06:19.49 | lcuk | villager, just a wild hunch :) dont fret |
| 06:22.11 | cehteh | how to restart the bluetooth subsystem? |
| 06:22.11 | villager | ali1234: the calibration registers are 100% undocumented and the linux driver don't access them, so there's no way to intentionally calibrate it if you aren't the manufacturer |
| 06:22.21 | ali1234 | sure there is |
| 06:22.24 | ali1234 | it's an i2c device |
| 06:22.29 | jebba | http://foolab.org/node/7880 MMS |
| 06:22.39 | ali1234 | now the driver might not access them, but the driver isn't the only way to talk to it |
| 06:23.03 | villager | ali1234: you can't do it without knowing how to do it, and like I said, it's undocumented |
| 06:24.01 | villager | at least, I certainly wouldn't try to fry it by experimenting with it |
| 06:24.03 | ali1234 | according to the datasheet "The trimming values are stored inside the device by a non volatile memory. Any time the device is turned on, the trimming parameters are downloaded into the registers to be used during the normal operation." |
| 06:24.12 | cehteh | http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726.pdf << have fun |
| 06:24.27 | ali1234 | if those registers are exposed on i2c you can change them easily with i2c-tools |
| 06:24.36 | villager | ali1234: yes, but it doesn't say which registers, nor whether they're exposed at all |
| 06:24.42 | villager | perhaps they are, perhaps not |
| 06:24.48 | ali1234 | there's only 127 possible registers |
| 06:25.15 | villager | well, good luck with frying your device |
| 06:26.07 | cehteh | added link to the page |
| 06:27.02 | villager | perhaps it'd be possible to dump the registers now that the accelerometer is working, and compare when it's busted, though |
| 06:28.14 | villager | can't be bothered to figure out how right now though |
| 06:29.16 | cehteh | The product is factory calibrated at 2.5V. The device can be used from 2.16V to 3.6V |
| 06:29.23 | cehteh | .. prolly prom burned in by st already |
| 06:29.35 | villager | yes |
| 06:29.47 | ali1234 | right but like it says the stored calibration is copied to registers for normal use |
| 06:29.57 | luke-jr | villager: sounds to me like the registers are reset at boot anyway |
| 06:31.00 | villager | luke-jr: perhaps... but I imagined that'd happen when reloading the driver or rebooting the n900, which didn't help |
| 06:31.13 | ali1234 | has to be power cycled |
| 06:31.16 | villager | ony removing the battery did help, apparently |
| 06:31.32 | villager | ony=only |
| 06:31.34 | cehteh | When the self-test bit of ctrl_reg1 is programmed to ¡Ã1¡à an actuation force is applied to the sensor, simulating a definite input acceleration. |
| 06:31.45 | cehteh | .. holy shit micromechanics |
| 06:31.54 | villager | yes, I trigged the selftest, it returned "FAILED" |
| 06:31.59 | cehteh | lol |
| 06:32.19 | cehteh | i didnt tried before resetting |
| 06:32.34 | ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/m3dabe4ad |
| 06:32.40 | ali1234 | register dump, enjoy |
| 06:32.42 | cehteh | but i really expected that the selftest is only electrical not mechanical .. thats awesome |
| 06:33.25 | cehteh | Click and double click recognition |
| 06:33.30 | cehteh | .. wow some hidden gems |
| 06:35.58 | ali1234 | here we go, there's a special bit called "BOOT" which refreshes the calibration from NVRAM, in case it was modified |
| 06:36.09 | ali1234 | which means 1. it can reset on line, 2. the calibration can be modified |
| 06:36.34 | cehteh | read the datasheet |
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| 06:37.01 | cehteh | well so i suspect slight disadjustments are prolly because tooling/soldering inaccuracies |
| 06:37.11 | cehteh | i can live with that anyways |
| 06:38.20 | luke-jr | melts cehteh |
| 06:38.52 | villager | perhaps someone should fix the linux driver so it's possible to assert the boot signal |
| 06:39.04 | villager | I imagined it already did, but perhaps not |
| 06:39.08 | ali1234 | write 0x80 to reg 0x21 |
| 06:39.16 | ali1234 | sorry 0x40 |
| 06:39.33 | ali1234 | see page 27 of datasheet |
| 06:39.58 | villager | I don't know how... maybe post instruction on the talk thread in case others run into this problem |
| 06:40.03 | villager | and don't want to remove battery |
| 06:40.44 | ali1234 | you need to compile i2c-tools |
| 06:40.48 | ali1234 | then install it |
| 06:41.05 | ali1234 | then i2c-set 3 0x21 0x40 |
| 06:41.11 | ali1234 | something like that anyway |
| 06:41.25 | villager | the specs say that the boot is done at device power up... I *though* it meant when the linux driver would power it up, hmm |
| 06:41.37 | ali1234 | no, it means when the chip is powered |
| 06:41.48 | luke-jr | yeah, that is pretty odd |
| 06:41.51 | luke-jr | why is the chip powered constantly? |
| 06:41.57 | cehteh | why not? |
| 06:42.04 | luke-jr | power usage? |
| 06:42.19 | luke-jr | N810 didn't power the GPS when it thought it wasn't being used |
| 06:42.24 | cehteh | this needs very little power and its constantly used |
| 06:42.33 | cehteh | less than 1mA on the datasheet |
| 06:42.40 | luke-jr | it adds up! :P |
| 06:42.56 | cehteh | the phone app queries it |
| 06:43.25 | cehteh | maybe it even has some sleep mode where it uses much less |
| 06:43.29 | ali1234 | > 1uA in low power mode |
| 06:43.33 | ali1234 | < i mean |
| 06:43.34 | cehteh | yeah |
| 06:43.39 | cehteh | i expected that |
| 06:43.40 | luke-jr | hm, I guess accelerometer *needs* to be constantly enabled |
| 06:43.51 | luke-jr | since its data is only realtime |
| 06:44.55 | cehteh | many such uCs have sleep modes which require less power than battery self-discharge |
| 06:45.35 | cehteh | if its in the uA range then you can calculate how log you can hook it on a 1320mAh battery :) |
| 06:46.16 | ali1234 | 0x10-0x1f is "reserved" according to datasheet, but contains lots of numbers |
| 06:46.23 | ali1234 | almost certainly that is the calibration data |
| 06:47.00 | ali1234 | yeah, the driver probably puts it in sleep mode when not in use |
| 06:47.15 | ali1234 | maybe a bug in the driver is writing to the wrong place |
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| 06:47.32 | ali1234 | or maybe you must refresh the calibration when going to 8G mode, and the driver isn't doing it properly |
| 06:47.52 | cehteh | when does it go to 8G? |
| 06:48.00 | cehteh | mine got stuck without playing around |
| 06:48.10 | ali1234 | dunno |
| 06:48.19 | villager | it never goes into 8G by itself... and I only tried it to see where the miscalibration was, and it didn't change the calibration in any way to change mode |
| 06:49.00 | ali1234 | i guess you can't reproduce it then? |
| 06:49.15 | villager | well, I did remove the battery, so it's fine now... |
| 06:49.28 | ali1234 | if it happens again i would be interested in some dumps |
| 06:49.37 | villager | I'm just saying what experiments I did while it was busted |
| 06:49.51 | cehteh | i like the way the driver on my laptop works |
| 06:49.54 | cehteh | cat /sys/devices/platform/lis3lv02d/position >/sys/devices/platform/lis3lv02d/calibrate |
| 06:50.01 | cehteh | ... easy or? :) |
| 06:50.38 | villager | well, if it happens again, I'll let you know |
| 06:50.46 | cehteh | well wont help if the device is stuck .. maybe that 'calibration' is a driver side offset |
| 06:51.14 | villager | cehteh: well it wasn't actually stuck, just miscalibrated way outside the normal-scale 2G range |
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| 06:51.42 | villager | it's hardware-side for sure, the driver doesn't add any offset |
| 06:51.42 | cehteh | villager: yeah same here prolly i didnt investigated it properly, just reset it |
| 06:52.46 | cehteh | just needs some code to get very basic orientation information face_up, face_down, landscape, portrait, seascape, upside_down |
| 06:53.00 | cehteh | thats really trivial :) |
| 06:54.00 | cehteh | are there commandline clients for dbus? .. for prototyping this app i dont want to do C stuff yet |
| 06:54.17 | ali1234 | just read it from the /sys |
| 06:54.28 | cehteh | nah need it for other things |
| 06:54.33 | ali1234 | there's dbus-send if you insist |
| 06:54.41 | cehteh | yes |
| 06:54.45 | cehteh | thats what i need |
| 06:54.57 | cehteh | found it :) thanks |
| 06:55.34 | cehteh | hacking the prototype in lua together later shifting to C then |
| 06:56.27 | ali1234 | hmm the driver has a "samples" param |
| 06:56.30 | cehteh | mhm something like lsdbus ? |
| 06:59.15 | cehteh | mhm .. dbus-monitor .. |
| 06:59.56 | villager | ali1234: the linux driver can average several successive samples |
| 07:00.02 | ali1234 | yes |
| 07:00.21 | ali1234 | the example code on the wiki does averaging in software |
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| 07:00.30 | ali1234 | but that is unecessary then |
| 07:00.54 | villager | if you're okay with telling the linux driver to do it globally, I suppose |
| 07:01.25 | villager | it might update less often when the driver does it, perhaps? |
| 07:02.36 | cehteh | yes i just tried .. becomes sluggish it doesnt steadily interpolate |
| 07:02.42 | ali1234 | it doesn't "update" |
| 07:02.49 | villager | guess not |
| 07:02.49 | ali1234 | it is polled |
| 07:02.56 | villager | polling takes longer then |
| 07:02.56 | ali1234 | just that the value won't change so often |
| 07:03.02 | ali1234 | however you can change the update rate too |
| 07:03.20 | ali1234 | no, should take the same time |
| 07:03.27 | cehteh | thats what i am going to do .. new_value = (old_value + current) /2 |
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| 07:04.03 | ali1234 | argh, no |
| 07:04.07 | ali1234 | use a rolling buffer |
| 07:04.12 | ifreq | moin |
| 07:04.21 | cehteh | really? .. doesnt look like that when i try |
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| 07:04.36 | ali1234 | all depends how the driver is implemented |
| 07:04.36 | cehteh | setting sample to 100 gives slow updates |
| 07:04.40 | cehteh | yes sure |
| 07:05.06 | cehteh | having AccDisplay running and echoing diferent values there |
| 07:05.16 | cehteh | with 100 it becomes quite slughish |
| 07:06.08 | villager | ali1234: the driver source code says it reads "samples" times whenever someone tries to read "coord", not before... so I guess polling does take longer, but there's no such as an "update", hmm |
| 07:06.49 | cehteh | villager: proof by trying .. you are right :) |
| 07:07.00 | ali1234 | that sucks |
| 07:07.06 | ali1234 | but i guess it saves memory? |
| 07:07.10 | ali1234 | like 10 bytes |
| 07:07.11 | cehteh | and i doubt it makes sense to add rolling buffers on the kernel level. .. |
| 07:07.13 | villager | I suppose |
| 07:07.20 | bear | FUCK YOU SOFT BITCHES WE GO HARD |
| 07:07.39 | ali1234 | O_o |
| 07:07.58 | villager | but the dbus daemon thing probably reads the coord regularly and its "update time" probably remains fixed |
| 07:08.04 | cehteh | so leave it at 1 and be happy |
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| 07:08.14 | ali1234 | !ops |
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| 07:08.35 | villager | so if you set samples really high, just use dbus instead of reading from /sys |
| 07:09.35 | ali1234 | there's no reason to ever set samples really high though |
| 07:09.36 | villager | though I guess it might slow the whole device down if the kernel is busy-waiting on i2c, not sure if it does with this kernel |
| 07:09.48 | cehteh | only plans to poll it every 30 secs or so .. |
| 07:10.04 | ali1234 | even smoothing is mostly pointless |
| 07:10.23 | cehteh | there is a lot noise |
| 07:10.33 | luke-jr | villager: Linux is preemptive... |
| 07:10.37 | ali1234 | but the noise is random, so it cancels itself out over time |
| 07:10.55 | cehteh | but like i shown above, just average it with the previsous sample should be ok |
| 07:11.27 | luke-jr | villager: also, things like keyboard and touchscreen are on i2c, so it needs to be polled pretty often anyway |
| 07:11.28 | cehteh | if you want to hack on the driver you may try that and report :) |
| 07:11.40 | cehteh | i am doing that in userland |
| 07:12.03 | ali1234 | do not do this: 0.5*(old_value+new_value); old_value = new_value; |
| 07:12.14 | cehteh | since i poll once every 30 seconds i only want to flat out spikes |
| 07:12.29 | villager | luke-jr: I thought it only preempts areas that are "safe" to be preempted, and that loop I'm not sure is allowed, since it's holding a mutex |
| 07:12.45 | ali1234 | wait, do do that |
| 07:12.54 | cehteh | thats what i saied |
| 07:13.07 | cehteh | [08:03] <cehteh> thats what i am going to do .. new_value = (old_value + current) /2 |
| 07:13.54 | ali1234 | then old_value = current |
| 07:13.55 | villager | luke-jr: but if it does, then great |
| 07:14.00 | ali1234 | not old_value = new_value |
| 07:14.01 | cehteh | yes |
| 07:14.52 | cehteh | well its not critical i want to find out if the device is in motion (delta above threshold) and the general orientation of the device |
| 07:14.54 | cehteh | thats all |
| 07:15.53 | villager | I don't think the accelerometer can tell if the device is in motion, if it happens to be in inertial motion |
| 07:16.13 | cehteh | doesnt matter |
| 07:16.31 | villager | you'd have to sample it fairly often to detect when it is pushed into motion I suppose |
| 07:16.46 | cehteh | and any car, bike, hike or whatever gives enough dervitation compared to laying on the table |
| 07:16.57 | cehteh | nah once every 30 sec :) |
| 07:17.25 | ali1234 | not if you smooth it all out |
| 07:17.27 | cehteh | even vibrations on a plane or train should sufficently detectable |
| 07:17.47 | cehteh | maybe i do 3-5 samples (in a fast rate) every 30 secs |
| 07:17.56 | ali1234 | on a plane would be really hard unless you're doing a barrel roll or something |
| 07:17.59 | cehteh | thats really something i figure out |
| 07:18.17 | cehteh | and it doesnt need to be 100% exact .. just guessing |
| 07:18.57 | cehteh | its just one part of the program to query its environment .. gps (if on), brightness and maybe proximity sensor will be used too |
| 07:19.14 | cehteh | and its not only about moving .. also time and other things |
| 07:19.38 | cehteh | extendable later, whatever looks to be useful |
| 07:19.57 | Remosi | luke-jr, but theres no documented/supported way of doing it? Ok. |
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| 07:20.37 | luke-jr | Remosi: no clue |
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| 08:20.14 | shinkamui | just an fyi |
| 08:20.22 | shinkamui | I got blender built, copied and running |
| 08:20.26 | shinkamui | but it is SLOW as molassas |
| 08:20.41 | shinkamui | gonna have to do some work on getting a better display system |
| 08:20.49 | shinkamui | I wonder how blenderCE achieved usable speeds |
| 08:21.32 | arachnist | may i just ask: what for? ;) |
| 08:21.48 | arachnist | or just for the sake of a hack? |
| 08:21.59 | dmj7261 | slow as in the gui is non responsive? |
| 08:22.05 | shinkamui | yea |
| 08:22.15 | dmj7261 | that's the worst kind of slow |
| 08:22.22 | shinkamui | each click registers about 5 seconds later |
| 08:22.28 | shinkamui | definately a config problem |
| 08:22.34 | shinkamui | but I've never used blender 2.5 |
| 08:22.40 | shinkamui | anyway, Ill look into it now |
| 08:22.44 | dmj7261 | hmm |
| 08:22.46 | shinkamui | uploading a screenie |
| 08:22.54 | dmj7261 | :D |
| 08:22.56 | arachnist | and how doest the gui fit at all on the n900? |
| 08:23.15 | arachnist | s/doest/does/ |
| 08:23.15 | shinkamui | fits fine |
| 08:23.23 | shinkamui | plenty of resolution |
| 08:23.24 | jX | you fold it inhalf thenit fits fine |
| 08:23.26 | dmj7261 | arachnist: wvga blender on desktop http://imagebin.org/77910 |
| 08:23.35 | shinkamui | blender is fully useable on a vga device |
| 08:23.50 | shinkamui | making this much better |
| 08:24.22 | jX | I lost my stylus already. :( |
| 08:24.32 | dmj7261 | shinkamui: is it fullscreen or windowed? |
| 08:24.42 | dmj7261 | Does it get better after a minute? |
| 08:24.53 | shinkamui | http://www.flickr.com/photos/22138919@N05/4240222604/ |
| 08:24.53 | dmj7261 | jX: :( |
| 08:25.05 | shinkamui | takes almost a full minute.5 to start fully |
| 08:25.42 | shinkamui | no |
| 08:25.44 | shinkamui | but whats funny |
| 08:25.52 | dmj7261 | that wants me to log in |
| 08:25.54 | shinkamui | cpu rarely spikes above 29% for blender |
| 08:26.03 | shinkamui | hmm |
| 08:26.04 | shinkamui | hold on |
| 08:26.51 | shinkamui | fixed |
| 08:26.53 | shinkamui | made it public |
| 08:26.55 | shinkamui | my bad |
| 08:26.58 | arachnist | how? |
| 08:27.14 | dmj7261 | sweet |
| 08:27.16 | shinkamui | pulseaudio is using 54% |
| 08:27.21 | shinkamui | I may have to disable openal too |
| 08:27.28 | shinkamui | its using pulseaudio by default |
| 08:27.45 | dmj7261 | yeah, disable that, not much use for audio on n900 for blender |
| 08:28.08 | shinkamui | can you see the screenie no |
| 08:28.09 | shinkamui | w |
| 08:28.10 | dmj7261 | Try plugging headphones in and see what happens |
| 08:28.42 | dmj7261 | I would recommend full screen for blender when you get the chance |
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| 08:32.22 | shinkamui | as soon as I get moderate results, I will definately do that |
| 08:33.23 | dmj7261 | If pulse is eating half your audio, openal could make the difference. |
| 08:33.34 | dmj7261 | What were your results with headphones on? |
| 08:33.57 | arachnist | still, i'm wonderwing what's the use case for blender on a handheld device :> |
| 08:34.51 | anders_gud | all sorts, painting - video editing.. |
| 08:35.03 | anders_gud | game engine |
| 08:35.04 | arachnist | rendering stuff would probably drain the battery and make quite a bit of cpu load |
| 08:35.10 | dmj7261 | basic 3d modelling |
| 08:36.04 | shinkamui | ok, I removed the game engine and openal, rebuilding |
| 08:36.18 | anders_gud | shinkamui did you build with ffmpeg? |
| 08:37.14 | shinkamui | nope |
| 08:37.15 | shinkamui | removed it |
| 08:37.39 | anders_gud | oh - try that It's most useful.. |
| 08:38.13 | anders_gud | what was the missing Python.h issue? |
| 08:38.14 | shinkamui | for blender? |
| 08:38.17 | shinkamui | fixed |
| 08:38.22 | shinkamui | had to build python 3.1.1 |
| 08:38.27 | shinkamui | and link off of that |
| 08:38.35 | anders_gud | yes audio and video import export features |
| 08:38.41 | shinkamui | as for ffmpeg, I think its only used by blender to create rendered output in specific formats |
| 08:39.33 | anders_gud | with ffmpeg enabled it's the best video editors on linux |
| 08:39.36 | shinkamui | I don't see anyone burning through their battery to try and render a scene on the mobile, but if they want to, the default low quality renderer is there |
| 08:40.09 | shinkamui | and I told jebba I would use his ffmpeg at a later time |
| 08:40.12 | dmj7261 | We'll have a render farm of a thousand n900s |
| 08:41.20 | shinkamui | lol |
| 08:41.28 | shinkamui | that would be quite creative |
| 08:41.29 | anders_gud | There is a OpenGl OpenGLES wrapper somwhere |
| 08:41.33 | shinkamui | anyway, lets see how this works out |
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| 08:41.52 | dmj7261 | shinkamui: I can almost guarantee you that it will be much faster without openal |
| 08:41.55 | shinkamui | I may need to rebuild mesa to improve performance |
| 08:42.10 | shinkamui | I chose to build using the dri driver and swrast |
| 08:42.22 | dmj7261 | I get 50% cpu usage with openal on my Core 2 Duo desktop. |
| 08:42.33 | shinkamui | lol |
| 08:42.41 | shinkamui | 56% pulseaudio when blender runs |
| 08:42.48 | shinkamui | spiking the cpu to 99% |
| 08:42.59 | shinkamui | i hope thats the first and biggest problem |
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| 08:43.41 | shinkamui | tomorrow, I need some help setting up sbrsh |
| 08:43.50 | shinkamui | because this is a slow ass testing procedure I have atm |
| 08:44.01 | dmj7261 | When I set it to !openal cpu goes down to 0-4% |
| 08:44.23 | shinkamui | windows? |
| 08:44.31 | dmj7261 | No, Ubuntu 9.10 |
| 08:44.33 | anders_gud | for OpenGL 2.0 to OpenGLES conversion: |
| 08:44.35 | anders_gud | http://forum.openhandhelds.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=884 |
| 08:44.50 | shinkamui | hardware acceleration would be nice |
| 08:45.12 | shinkamui | but replacing mesa with a wrapper driver might not be too easy for me |
| 08:45.32 | dmj7261 | one step at a time |
| 08:46.01 | dmj7261 | If you get blender running at more than 10fps (hopefully more) I'll be pleased as punch |
| 08:46.07 | shinkamui | ha ha |
| 08:46.09 | shinkamui | boot time |
| 08:46.10 | anders_gud | now I have to buy a n900 :-( |
| 08:46.11 | shinkamui | 5 seconds |
| 08:46.13 | shinkamui | :) |
| 08:46.21 | shinkamui | no more openal made a HUGE difference |
| 08:46.30 | anders_gud | Not easy in Sweden |
| 08:46.32 | shinkamui | yea |
| 08:46.32 | dmj7261 | anders_gud: You'll get no pity from me |
| 08:46.35 | shinkamui | its useable now |
| 08:46.40 | dmj7261 | hooray! |
| 08:46.43 | shinkamui | Ill make a quick video and then to bed |
| 08:46.52 | dmj7261 | okay. |
| 08:46.55 | shinkamui | we'll do fullscreen and try and package a prelim tomorrow |
| 08:46.59 | dmj7261 | waits eagerly! |
| 08:47.05 | anders_gud | the finns never forgave us 300 yrs of oppression |
| 08:47.05 | shinkamui | I can sent you the tarball |
| 08:47.09 | shinkamui | but the libs aren't packed yet |
| 08:47.14 | dmj7261 | will test for you |
| 08:47.37 | shinkamui | ok G, Ill put some stuff up on my site first thing in the AM |
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| 08:49.04 | dmj7261 | shinkamui: Are you familiar with Durian? |
| 08:49.23 | shinkamui | no |
| 08:49.27 | shinkamui | whats durian |
| 08:49.52 | dmj7261 | It's the open movie project the Blender Foundation is doing. |
| 08:50.07 | dmj7261 | http://durian.blender.org/ |
| 08:51.01 | dmj7261 | One of the goals is to make Blender 2.5 production ready |
| 08:51.21 | dmj7261 | They should totally hear about blender running on the n900 |
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| 08:57.11 | shinkamui | sweet |
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| 09:03.09 | shinkamui | http://www.youtube.com/v/SriTyCtY1mE&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0 |
| 09:03.13 | shinkamui | quick video |
| 09:03.19 | shinkamui | may take a few minutes before its available |
| 09:03.22 | shinkamui | ok, good night guys |
| 09:03.42 | simula | gnight |
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| 09:08.53 | ceh900 | testin the virtual keyboard |
| 09:09.18 | dmj7261 | cool |
| 09:09.47 | ceh900 | heh not really |
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| 09:10.24 | dmj7261 | shinkamui made a cool video |
| 09:11.13 | ceh900 | how do you complete a word? no cusor buttons there |
| 09:11.31 | dmj7261 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SriTyCtY1mE |
| 09:11.50 | ceh900 | blender? |
| 09:12.09 | dmj7261 | yep, he has been porting blender to the n900 |
| 09:12.37 | ceh900 | xchat doesnt start a browser |
| 09:13.05 | ceh900 | ba |
| 09:13.18 | ceh900 | ah long click |
| 09:16.06 | ceh900 | haha, sorry but manipulating the blender ui with a stylus looks a bit retarded. kudos for the work anyways :) |
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| 09:16.57 | dmj7261 | I think it could be kinda nice for simple modelling. |
| 09:17.37 | dmj7261 | I'm not going to make a sequel to Big Buck Bunny on it, but I might make a little spaceship or chair. |
| 09:18.04 | ceh900 | not sure if there are better things for that |
| 09:19.25 | RST38h | Ah, a perfect example of why I hate Youtube |
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| 09:50.12 | Ceron | 09:08:00 [freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall) |
| 09:50.45 | Ceron | was is this? |
| 09:51.07 | PaulFertser | Ceron: some loosy attempt at exploiting irc users |
| 09:51.29 | Ceron | i should not fear it right |
| 09:51.32 | Ceron | im using irssi? :P |
| 09:52.10 | Ceron | DCC SEND from bear [0.0.0.0 port 0]: поɦÊÉÐ¿É [0B bytes] requested in channel #maemo |
| 09:52.13 | PaulFertser | Ceron: i guess right :) btw, why irssi and not weechat? I'm an irssi user too but weechat looks more powerful. |
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| 09:52.42 | Ceron | how so does it look more powerful? |
| 09:52.50 | Ceron | irssi has all you need :) |
| 09:53.01 | Ceron | i dont need name lists and stuff like that |
| 09:53.31 | Ceron | n900 res is good for irssi also |
| 09:54.14 | PaulFertser | Ceron: i'd like to have incremental search in buffers |
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| 09:55.16 | PaulFertser | Ceron: btw, if you by any chance know how to solve the problem that irssi always indents messages and that is not fun when you have a small screen and a big font, please tell me. |
| 09:55.26 | cehteh | with proper config, xchat is also nice :P |
| 10:00.14 | denix0 | what about IRC connection manager (i.e. telepathy-idle)? is it useful? |
| 10:01.10 | cehteh | you cant join channels with it only privmsg |
| 10:01.39 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:01.42 | denix0 | ah, and I thought I was just stupid... :) |
| 10:01.56 | cehteh | and it has problems that it doesnt properly disconnect sometimes .. then it cant reconnect because the nick is in use |
| 10:02.31 | cehteh | so if you want to use irc as IM replacement it has some limited usability .. but its not really irc |
| 10:05.25 | denix0 | speaking of telepathy plugins - twitter plugin can never sign-in for me. any pointers? |
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| 10:06.19 | cehteh | mhm my device doesnt go to C4 .. prolly because xchat is running? |
| 10:08.14 | cehteh | .. lets see |
| 10:09.01 | denix0 | how do you check the state? |
| 10:09.09 | RST38h | seems to have optified xchat |
| 10:09.13 | cehteh | powertop |
| 10:09.19 | RST38h | Any other requests before I upload this version? |
| 10:09.51 | cehteh | hum .. yes a lot .. but i guess you dont mean that :) |
| 10:09.58 | denix0 | RST38h: and I just updated to 2.8.6-maemo13... :) |
| 10:10.01 | RST38h | Well, depends on what they are |
| 10:10.07 | RST38h | denix: Stay with it for a while |
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| 10:10.19 | cehteh | well do you know how to make the scrollbar wider/finger friendly? |
| 10:11.00 | denix0 | testing if -maemo13 also crashes while saving config... |
| 10:11.26 | cehteh | and i would try to add a 250ms sleep into the main event loop, then messages pile up and are processed in one rush, less wakes and turnarounds for the processor |
| 10:11.53 | luke-jr | so um |
| 10:11.54 | cehteh | (rather configureable sleep of course) |
| 10:11.55 | denix0 | yes, it still crashes... :( |
| 10:11.58 | luke-jr | anyone here have experience dealing with scammers? |
| 10:12.12 | cehteh | what kind of? |
| 10:12.27 | luke-jr | online store |
| 10:12.28 | RST38h | maemo13 does not crash when saving config |
| 10:12.44 | luke-jr | in particular, is there any reason it's a bad idea to give my address? |
| 10:12.55 | RST38h | centeh: I would rather reduce the number of messages instead |
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| 10:13.04 | cehteh | i have the 'current' version .. is that maemo13? .. then i can say it works for me |
| 10:13.16 | cehteh | RST38h: you can hardly do that :) |
| 10:13.21 | RST38h | centeh: Why? |
| 10:13.29 | cehteh | well tcp-cork |
| 10:13.32 | cehteh | eh? |
| 10:13.37 | arachnist | luke-jr: if you know they're scammers, why would you want to give them you address? |
| 10:13.41 | luke-jr | arachnist: I don't. |
| 10:13.52 | luke-jr | they just are suspicious |
| 10:14.04 | cehteh | and yes, my device doesnt go to C4 when xchat is running |
| 10:14.11 | luke-jr | but where else can you get a N900 for under $400? <.< |
| 10:14.18 | denix0 | oops, my bad, you're right - it just closes the preferences dialog... :) |
| 10:14.39 | RST38h | centeh: we do not chat that much here =) |
| 10:15.17 | Remosi | hrm, what gtk widget does the IM app use for displaying things? is it just a canvas that's been drawn onto? or something else? |
| 10:15.23 | cehteh | RST38h: well .. |
| 10:15.35 | luke-jr | ... so is there any harm? :x |
| 10:15.43 | cehteh | you can always 'not' use it .. but thats not the point |
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| 10:19.16 | cehteh | test again |
| 10:20.27 | cehteh | mhm .. no C4 when xchat is running |
| 10:20.54 | cehteh | RST38h: where is the source available for the maemo version? maybe i give it a try |
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| 10:22.07 | flux | cehteh, curiously I decided to check and indeed my device doesn't go to C4 either, I guess I need to start stopping programs one at a time.. mafw-dbus-wrapp is at the top of activity list, though |
| 10:22.13 | flux | (no xchat here) |
| 10:22.32 | cehteh | flux: battery or connected to the charger/usb? |
| 10:22.37 | flux | battery |
| 10:22.39 | RST38h | centeh: Extras-Devel |
| 10:22.45 | cehteh | or playing music or anything else? |
| 10:22.52 | RST38h | centeh: You may want to wait for the optified version for a few days though |
| 10:22.52 | flux | nope |
| 10:22.54 | luke-jr | http://pastebin.ca/1736039 <-- chat |
| 10:22.58 | flux | the screen is blank |
| 10:23.21 | flux | it's on another room. it might be running a web browser, though, some activity in it could cause that I suppose |
| 10:24.03 | RST38h | luke: Some Chinese spammer? |
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| 10:24.25 | luke-jr | RST38h: found his online store with Google |
| 10:25.15 | cehteh | luke-jr: just /ignore |
| 10:25.25 | luke-jr | cehteh: but I want to buy N900 from him :/ |
| 10:25.41 | cehteh | haha ... then send him as much money you like |
| 10:26.02 | RST38h | luke: I wouldn't...really... |
| 10:26.17 | RST38h | luke: In fact, I would not buy anything from any company that has no phone number |
| 10:26.28 | luke-jr | IIRC someone who looked found a UK # |
| 10:26.36 | cehteh | luke-jr: cash on delivery might be an option .. but well he can still send you a brick in a n900 case |
| 10:26.40 | ifreq | do you always check the number RST38h ? |
| 10:26.47 | ifreq | i rather buy from company which has paypal |
| 10:26.52 | cehteh | or stolenn/damaged/non warranty devices |
| 10:26.55 | ifreq | as paypal protects it buyers |
| 10:27.07 | flux | cehteh, but where would the salesman find suchs a custom-made small brick?! |
| 10:27.11 | luke-jr | ifreq: he takes PayPal, but only eCheck |
| 10:27.49 | flux | luke-jr, have you tried googling for the company name? |
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| 10:28.18 | cehteh | RST38h: dunno if you agree .. but that the processor doesnt go to sleep while xchat is running worries me a bit :P |
| 10:28.20 | Remosi | hrm, I bought mine through TradeMe (NZ's equivilent of ebay), found a seller witha good reputation that specialised in importing US phones, and bought it from them |
| 10:28.20 | ifreq | hmm okay |
| 10:28.57 | luke-jr | I found the store name on ebay |
| 10:29.02 | luke-jr | closed account, doesn't say why |
| 10:29.06 | flux | :) |
| 10:29.07 | ifreq | bought phone from flagstore, they alvays have some spares |
| 10:29.07 | luke-jr | lots of good feedback in 2004 |
| 10:29.38 | ifreq | anything can happen in 6 years |
| 10:29.42 | ifreq | after |
| 10:29.46 | luke-jr | heh |
| 10:30.04 | luke-jr | but seriously, $320 for N900, buy 3 get 1 free |
| 10:30.11 | luke-jr | if real I can't pass that up! |
| 10:31.16 | luke-jr | maybe I'll tell him I really can't do it except on credit card because I want to resell 3 of them... <.< |
| 10:31.28 | luke-jr | credit card can be disputed :) |
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| 10:32.05 | ifreq | luke-jr: no one can sell for 320usd |
| 10:32.08 | ifreq | :) |
| 10:32.11 | luke-jr | ... |
| 10:32.58 | ifreq | i wish all the best for the seller |
| 10:33.08 | ifreq | in next life |
| 10:33.16 | flux | and this is why, ladies and gentlemen, scams works so great :P |
| 10:33.46 | ifreq | cheap, ferebies, guaranteed |
| 10:33.53 | ifreq | freebies* |
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| 10:36.27 | RST38h | centeh: yes, it worries me as well. |
| 10:36.36 | RST38h | centeh: there is probably a timer ticking |
| 10:36.48 | ceh901 | tryin rcirc emacs |
| 10:37.03 | luke-jr | im in ur cpu |
| 10:37.05 | luke-jr | tickin ur timer |
| 10:37.14 | RST38h | centeh: Ir maybe it busy-waits on a non-blocking socket |
| 10:37.31 | cehteh | yes i had that before with the xchat plugin stuff |
| 10:37.45 | cehteh | disabling all unused plugins (perl, python etc) fixed it |
| 10:38.27 | cehteh | well doesnt look like busy waits, it doesnt satuate the cpu |
| 10:38.47 | Meizirkki | Short video of Mer 0.17 on Touch Book: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yApkMMlrjRA |
| 10:38.47 | cehteh | or maybe stupid waits with a select with a very short timeout? no idea |
| 10:39.55 | RST38h | ok, let us take a look |
| 10:40.30 | luke-jr | hum |
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| 10:40.39 | ceh901 | ping test |
| 10:40.46 | luke-jr | so really no chance this is legit? :( |
| 10:40.54 | denix0 | hmm, touchbook's resistive screen is very resistive... :) |
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| 10:42.11 | cehteh | RST38bis: are there any plugins enabled/loaded by default? |
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| 10:42.55 | Macer | 01:08 [freenode] DCC SEND from bear [0.0.0.0 port 0]: поɦÊÉÐ¿É [0B bytes] requested in channel #maemo |
| 10:43.06 | cehteh | mhm or is it just the network activity which keeps the kernel running? |
| 10:43.14 | ifreq | he was k-lined after |
| 10:43.15 | cehteh | Macer: he got klined |
| 10:43.21 | Macer | have to give him credit for the upsidedown fuckyou |
| 10:43.22 | Macer | hahah |
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| 10:44.05 | Macer | is that like some 1990 mirc exploit or something? |
| 10:44.11 | cehteh | yes |
| 10:44.13 | Macer | :) |
| 10:44.23 | cehteh | well iirc xchat :) |
| 10:44.28 | cehteh | but old and fixed |
| 10:44.50 | Macer | heh |
| 10:44.51 | RST38h | centeh: doing gettimeofday/poll in a loop |
| 10:44.53 | luke-jr | Macer: not mirc |
| 10:44.54 | Macer | i was always curious because every now and then you see someone doing that |
| 10:44.57 | cehteh | RST38h: ah .. having irc running in emacs rcirc doesnt give C4 either |
| 10:44.58 | luke-jr | nor xchat |
| 10:45.06 | Macer | luke-jr: yeah? what then? |
| 10:45.11 | luke-jr | it's an exploit common in firewalls and SOHO routers |
| 10:45.19 | luke-jr | and while fixed, often non-updated in the latter |
| 10:45.35 | Macer | luke-jr: what does it do exactly? |
| 10:45.47 | luke-jr | Macer: the firewall thinks it's a worm, and closes the connection |
| 10:46.00 | Macer | closes a connection to 0.0.0.0? |
| 10:46.02 | Macer | :) |
| 10:46.07 | Macer | that would be interesting haha |
| 10:46.08 | luke-jr | closes the IRC connection |
| 10:46.17 | Macer | oh |
| 10:46.21 | arachnist | uhm |
| 10:46.35 | arachnist | wasn't that a hack for some wireless routers? |
| 10:46.43 | luke-jr | that's what I just said |
| 10:46.52 | Termana | Useful. As long as your trying to knock someone off. You didn't piss anyone off did you Macer? |
| 10:46.59 | luke-jr | lol |
| 10:47.04 | Macer | Termana: doubt it was just me |
| 10:47.07 | luke-jr | Termana: the guy did it to the whole channel |
| 10:47.09 | Macer | he did it to all of maemo ;) |
| 10:47.15 | cehteh | RST38bis: thats why i'd suggest to add a configureable (maybe adaptive) timeout in the event loop |
| 10:47.25 | RST38h | centeh: Could you try something for me? |
| 10:47.27 | Termana | oh, must be an android user then |
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| 10:47.30 | cehteh | possibly |
| 10:47.42 | luke-jr | lol |
| 10:47.47 | Macer | i was just curious why someone tries that every now and then |
| 10:47.50 | RST38h | centeh: Disconnect from all servers and see if it lets you go into C4 |
| 10:47.52 | Macer | Termana: haha. i could see that ;) |
| 10:48.06 | Macer | i know i pissed a lot of them off |
| 10:48.24 | cehteh | RST38h: done that already .. yes it does |
| 10:48.24 | Termana | :D |
| 10:48.31 | luke-jr | so do I give this maybe-scammer my $320 and blame Nokia if the deal goes bad? <.< |
| 10:48.48 | Termana | luke-jr - what are you doing? |
| 10:49.01 | luke-jr | Termana: http://pastebin.ca/1736039 |
| 10:49.08 | ceh901 | now i am only connected with emacs |
| 10:49.46 | RST38bis | centeh: ok so it is the connection thing |
| 10:50.05 | cehteh | yes possibly some timers on the tcp stack whatever |
| 10:50.43 | cehteh | but maybe this can be improved by some options on the socket .. tcp-cork or so .. |
| 10:51.06 | Termana | luke-jr - aren't most places selling them for $500? I doubt this guy could knock off $180 just for the hell of it |
| 10:51.34 | cehteh | (or timers?) |
| 10:51.39 | ifreq | he cant termana |
| 10:51.47 | ifreq | in no way |
| 10:51.54 | ifreq | okay then he can if ther stolen :P |
| 10:53.05 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.06 | luke-jr | yet Nokia can just give them to people? :p |
| 10:53.06 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.13 | RST38h | centeh: I think this may be it |
| 10:54.14 | RST38h | tag = g_io_add_watch (channel, type, (GIOFunc) func, data); |
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| 10:55.34 | Termana | luke-jr - Nokia LOANED them to people IIRC |
| 10:55.49 | RST38h | centeh: Added with G_IO_PRI |
| 10:55.52 | cehteh | i just wonder why emacs behaves similar |
| 10:56.17 | cehteh | btw cehteh is my nick not centeh :) |
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| 10:57.41 | denix0 | RST38h: no tab completion for nicks? :) |
| 10:58.04 | wazd_e63 | Heya all |
| 10:58.18 | Stskeeps | heya wazd |
| 10:59.42 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps, how's it going? |
| 11:00.30 | RST38h | denix: there is tab completion, do not remember the key |
| 11:00.33 | RST38h | wazd moo |
| 11:00.51 | RST38h | cehteh: Ok, here is the story |
| 11:01.00 | denix0 | RST38h: is it tab? |
| 11:01.08 | cehteh | :) |
| 11:01.23 | RST38h | cehteh: Once you connect to the server, it adds the socket to the list of sockets glib waits on and tells it to wake up on any priority data (whatever it means) |
| 11:01.52 | RST38h | cehteh: At which point, main loop probably starts exiting all the time, hence no power save |
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| 11:02.28 | user900 | now with erc |
| 11:03.03 | cehteh | there is no priority data in IRC iirc? ... |
| 11:03.15 | cehteh | dunno the newer rfc's |
| 11:03.31 | Termana | are you bullshitting me? anything i say is priority data |
| 11:03.35 | Termana | :P |
| 11:03.35 | RST38h | cehteh: this is what xchat passes to glib anyway |
| 11:04.02 | cehteh | blah |
| 11:05.44 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: moving into my new office, guys living here moved out |
| 11:06.55 | cehteh | RST38bis: bit strange that other clients behave similar |
| 11:07.38 | cehteh | emacs erc too :P |
| 11:07.51 | RST38bis | well maybe it is the result of needing low latency data connection |
| 11:08.05 | Stskeeps | no priority data in irc |
| 11:08.19 | Stskeeps | OOB data will mess thinsg yo\ |
| 11:08.21 | wazd_e63 | rst38h, Heya |
| 11:08.39 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps, oh, great) |
| 11:09.16 | Termana | I think what Stskeeps was trying to say on that last line was "OOB data will mess things up" |
| 11:09.28 | Termana | Looks like someone has had a few too many beers |
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| 11:09.41 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps, 104th floor?) |
| 11:10.08 | cehteh | RST38bis: little higher latency for powersaving would be acceptable imo :P |
| 11:10.25 | Termana | cehteh - you need to hit tab twice |
| 11:10.55 | cehteh | .. |
| 11:11.24 | Termana | Your addressing the wrong nickname, though I assume its the same person. |
| 11:11.51 | Termana | uhh nevermind he seems to of changed which one he was using |
| 11:12.04 | Termana | on the last line anyhow |
| 11:13.24 | cehteh | yeah he adapts to my tab key :) |
| 11:13.30 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: 9th |
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| 11:15.08 | RST38h | cehteh: I cannot find where it does the loop though |
| 11:15.41 | cehteh | RST38h: i rather suspect that business on the kernel side |
| 11:16.36 | cehteh | which may or may not be engaged with some hacking on tcp parameters ... |
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| 11:20.11 | frals | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=450999#post450999 ... beating the dead horse en masse |
| 11:22.55 | Stskeeps | saw the guy on planet with MMS? |
| 11:23.12 | frals | *goes to check planet* |
| 11:24.52 | frals | cool |
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| 11:27.09 | grishnav | hey, what's the "maemo way" to bring an interface up or down with DHCP? |
| 11:27.20 | grishnav | ifup/ifdown don't appear to work... |
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| 11:28.15 | RST38h | cehteh: I do not see any special tcp hacking in xchat code, it is very plain |
| 11:28.24 | RST38h | Ok, added Ctrl+Right for nick completion |
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| 11:29.07 | RST38h | frals: You can safely ignore anything written by people who joined t.m.o after Sep 2009. |
| 11:29.13 | cehteh | remapped shift+space to tab |
| 11:29.44 | cehteh | heh i joined tmo today :P |
| 11:30.03 | cehteh | but still dont posted anything |
| 11:31.00 | cehteh | RST38h: i dont know whats going on there, how big is the latency for the cpu to fall from C3 to C4 any idea? |
| 11:31.53 | RST38h | I think I found the culprit |
| 11:32.20 | cehteh | well .. i take a nap |
| 11:33.22 | frals | *checks his own joindate, ah, sep 2009* ;) |
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| 11:35.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: you might prefer shift+right for tab. ctrl+right is too convenient for word skip forward |
| 11:35.49 | felipec | I just published mafw-scrobbler; an (IMO) improved last.fm scrobbler... any developer willing to try it? |
| 11:36.16 | frals | and shift right marks the text.. ;-) |
| 11:36.25 | grishnav | is the best way to bring up an interface "ifconfig $1 up; udhcpc -i $1"? or is there an "ifup" like utility or init script? |
| 11:37.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | frals: I'm happy with shift+left for text markng |
| 11:37.27 | felipec | grishnav: I use "ifup usb0" so I guess you can do something similar |
| 11:37.52 | grishnav | felipec: it doesn't appear to be working for tap devices |
| 11:38.54 | frals | DocScrutinizer51: good point |
| 11:40.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: btw thanks for new version :-) |
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| 11:40.44 | felipec | grishnav: it's merely a script, isn't it? |
| 11:40.58 | felipec | grishnav: you need to write it, of course |
| 11:41.19 | grishnav | felipec: ifup/ifdown are binaries i believe... |
| 11:43.14 | felipec | grishnav: check /etc/network |
| 11:43.46 | RST38h | put nick completion to Shift+Space |
| 11:43.53 | RST38h | it performs no other function anyway |
| 11:44.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.50 | grishnav | i added "inface tap0 inet dhcp" |
| 11:46.06 | grishnav | I get |
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| 11:46.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw to whom it may concern: after uptime of 14days device borked 1h ago. Sluggish and Xrendering always turned screen black mostly |
| 11:46.39 | slonopotamus | woah |
| 11:46.41 | grishnav | I get this result: http://pastebin.com/m7b61d724 |
| 11:46.46 | felipec | grishnav: s/inface/iface/ |
| 11:46.48 | slonopotamus | autocomplete! |
| 11:46.56 | grishnav | yes sorry |
| 11:47.01 | grishnav | I have it spelled correctly in the file |
| 11:47.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | seemed to recover when I managed to close last microb window |
| 11:47.13 | grishnav | it _appears_ to work |
| 11:47.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | booted anyway |
| 11:47.17 | felipec | grishnav: besides, tap0 is a virtual interface, you cannot just dhcp right away, can you? |
| 11:47.17 | grishnav | but the interface state isn't ever changed |
| 11:47.19 | grishnav | and dhcp isn't run |
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| 11:47.28 | grishnav | felipec: it's attached to openvpn |
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| 11:50.02 | grishnav | I use a pretty similar configuration on a variety of other machines |
| 11:50.14 | grishnav | except they are /etc/init.d/net.x scritps |
| 11:52.36 | grishnav | so I'm kindof at a loss |
| 11:52.49 | grishnav | I can bring the interface up manually within 15 seconds of ovpn connecting and run udhcpc on it |
| 11:53.02 | grishnav | (otherwise openvpn will fail to ping the server, assume something is wrong, and try to reconnect) |
| 11:53.10 | grishnav | but doing it manually is a drag |
| 11:53.31 | grishnav | I have a pair of small up/down scripts I wrote |
| 11:53.39 | grishnav | but they'd need a fair bit of work to make them reliable |
| 11:53.44 | grishnav | compensate for dhcp problems |
| 11:53.48 | grishnav | rapdid connects/disconnects |
| 11:53.49 | grishnav | etc. |
| 11:53.57 | grishnav | all problems other people have already solved |
| 11:54.12 | grishnav | either with /etc/init.d/net.* scripts or ifup/ifdown or whatever :) |
| 11:54.30 | grishnav | i don't want to reinvent the wheel if I don't have to |
| 11:54.43 | grishnav | especially since I'm not such a great wheelmaker |
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| 11:59.47 | grishnav | oh well i give up for tonight |
| 11:59.48 | grishnav | cheers |
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| 12:02.17 | RST38h | Ok, added a 250ms wait when xchat would otherwise block |
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| 12:17.58 | RST38bis | well, seems to work |
| 12:20.24 | RST38h | Anyone can run powertop with xchat running (and connected) to see what it looks like in the current version? |
| 12:21.55 | SpeedEvil | strace -c sort-of-works ok |
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| 12:23.17 | RST38h | still wonders whether he should penalize would_block() socket condition with a 250ms wait or maybe it does nothing useful |
| 12:23.57 | RST38h | please test the current version (without the wait) with powertop and tell me what the distribution of C-states is |
| 12:24.51 | SpeedEvil | I have no powertop |
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| 12:26.48 | SpeedEvil | It wakesup everry 0.5 seconds anyway |
| 12:26.54 | RST38h | apt-get install |
| 12:26.59 | SpeedEvil | The main loop seems to be a poll cll |
| 12:27.02 | SpeedEvil | call |
| 12:27.09 | RST38h | ok, show me the strace -c -p <pid> output |
| 12:27.29 | SpeedEvil | It polls all FDs every 0.5 seconds |
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| 12:29.13 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/filelog |
| 12:30.11 | SpeedEvil | there is no installation cancidate for powertop |
| 12:30.38 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.44 | RST38h | THAT? =) |
| 12:31.19 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 12:31.26 | SpeedEvil | it's polling all fds every 500ms |
| 12:31.39 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 12:31.51 | SpeedEvil | I understand on this arch that wakeups may be quite lightweight. |
| 12:32.08 | SpeedEvil | I need to get out of bed, and connect it to the oscilloscope for truth. |
| 12:32.20 | ShadowJK | would_block() sounds evil |
| 12:32.23 | SpeedEvil | I suspect if connected to 3G it utterly doesn't matter what you do. |
| 12:32.31 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.39 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
| 12:33.12 | RST38h | Ok, this thing goes away |
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| 12:33.51 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, in that bugzilla bug about random crashes, one random crash is due to the device crashing on waking up from CPU OFF state. There's a workaround to disable that, and it reduces battery life from days to <1day... So I'd say it's significant. With the September-ish edition of xchat, CPU never reaches OFF state. |
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| 12:35.23 | SpeedEvil | Same behavioure |
| 12:35.31 | angasule | I'm alive! |
| 12:35.40 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I don't care. |
| 12:35.43 | RST38h | oh really? |
| 12:35.51 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I want to actually measure it |
| 12:36.02 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes - changed the lagometer to 1 |
| 12:36.14 | SpeedEvil | from 2 and it's still polling every 500ms |
| 12:36.15 | RST38h | I am changing it to 0 |
| 12:36.19 | ShadowJK | I guess reply to that thread on maemo-developers asking for NEP |
| 12:36.21 | RST38h | default is 1 |
| 12:36.30 | SpeedEvil | default is 2 here |
| 12:36.36 | SpeedEvil | NEP? |
| 12:36.42 | ShadowJK | Nokia Energy Profiler |
| 12:36.54 | SpeedEvil | I don't care about software |
| 12:36.58 | SpeedEvil | hardware |
| 12:37.31 | ShadowJK | Oh you want to measure it with an external meter and not the device's own current meter? |
| 12:37.37 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
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| 12:38.09 | SpeedEvil | Because I know that actually works, and I have no software issues like measurements causing wakeups. |
| 12:38.21 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Will be 0 from now on if it helps |
| 12:38.34 | ShadowJK | A think like would_block() sounds inherently flawed... if uses blocking sockets and does poll() to check whether writing would block, it's a design bug.. |
| 12:38.35 | SpeedEvil | I don't think that's the issue |
| 12:38.43 | ShadowJK | but that's xchat's problem really, not maemo's |
| 12:38.51 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Here is what I see there |
| 12:39.06 | RST38h | ShadowJK: It uses non-blocking sockets indeed, in order to get low latency |
| 12:39.10 | SpeedEvil | If you're connected over 3g - xchats behaviour is unimportent. |
| 12:39.30 | RST38h | ShadowJK: but when it receives wouldblock, it exits its net read function immediately |
| 12:39.36 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I put a 250ms wait there |
| 12:39.43 | RST38h | not much difference though |
| 12:39.46 | angasule | hmm, I have to configure my laptop in ad hoc mode somehow :? |
| 12:39.50 | SpeedEvil | Utterly unimportant. |
| 12:39.52 | arachnist | hmm |
| 12:39.53 | SpeedEvil | I'd say. |
| 12:40.04 | ShadowJK | Well yes, if interval between activity is <5 sec, depending on network, 3g radio would be on all the time |
| 12:40.06 | SpeedEvil | you're not actually reducing the number of polls it does that way |
| 12:40.20 | arachnist | it looks like palm people are getting excited about slugishly running quake1 on the palm pre |
| 12:40.26 | ShadowJK | RST38h, I think we need >1sec sleeps |
| 12:40.36 | RST38h | ShadowJK: This will fuck up the UI |
| 12:40.43 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: even if it's 30s, the modem _utterly_ swamps it. |
| 12:40.51 | angasule | arachnist: quake1? meh, I prefer the duke :-) |
| 12:40.52 | arachnist | i think that showing them N900 running Quake3 might be a shock for them |
| 12:40.53 | SpeedEvil | RST38: however - you don't care if the screen is off |
| 12:41.10 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, if there's lots of activity, yes, and if you're on 3g, yes. On wlan and edge, the radios will use lots less |
| 12:41.12 | SpeedEvil | RST38: well - at least pushing it out to 30s. |
| 12:41.17 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:41.24 | angasule | arachnist: I thought you were kidding o_O |
| 12:41.47 | SpeedEvil | I did sleep 20, scp file host:/ loop. |
| 12:41.51 | SpeedEvil | And it lasted >>24h |
| 12:41.54 | RST38h | ok, looks like turning lagometer off helped things |
| 12:41.56 | ShadowJK | RST38h, ideally we'd want to poll() on both the socket to X, and the network sockets, with a poll() timeout set to the next timer event (lagcheck, whatever) |
| 12:41.56 | SpeedEvil | before I got bored. |
| 12:42.21 | RST38h | ShadowJK: GTK/GLib do it in xchat |
| 12:42.44 | ShadowJK | There's no way to wait both on UI and net? |
| 12:42.49 | arachnist | angasule: no, i'm not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVdhJC63ThQ |
| 12:42.50 | SpeedEvil | Ideally you want to probably take notice of screen background, and utterly ignore incoming net packets for 30s |
| 12:43.09 | angasule | arachnist: I was watching another one, yes, cool :D |
| 12:43.58 | SpeedEvil | Maybe >30s |
| 12:44.10 | SpeedEvil | tries something stupid |
| 12:44.31 | ShadowJK | oh wait, first hit on google says you can hook up random FDs to GTK main loop |
| 12:44.46 | ShadowJK | ignoring incoming packets wont change radio behaviour :) |
| 12:45.15 | N900evil | this is a test of xchat kill - stopped 90p percent of the time |
| 12:45.26 | N900evil | yes it will |
| 12:45.36 | joppu | the debian .dsc file has 2 strings, one of them seems to be MD5, so what's the other? |
| 12:45.38 | ShadowJK | However, if you had a bouncer on a server somewhere, and when the device state changed (screen off, etc), you sent a "delay" packet to your bouncer instructing it to batch all traffic, sending it in bursts every 60 secs, that might get you somewhere :) |
| 12:45.49 | N900evil | this works fine |
| 12:46.26 | ShadowJK | The server on the other side will still send traffic even if xchat is in STOP state, the kernel queues up the incoming packets in each socket's receive buffer |
| 12:46.27 | SpeedEvil | inbound packets are typically provoked by outgoing packets in most protocols. |
| 12:46.55 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: and the kernel does not wake xchat it just queues the inbound packet |
| 12:47.04 | joppu | Is it the file size? |
| 12:47.15 | ShadowJK | in IRC it's the other way around.. outgoing chat messages from client receives no response at all from server |
| 12:47.16 | SpeedEvil | and yes to get most benefit you need an external queue. |
| 12:47.43 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: true. It's however the best you can do to reduce power use in xchat |
| 12:47.44 | ShadowJK | But channel activity and messages directed towards the user get sent whenever they happen, towards the client, and requires no confirmation from the client |
| 12:48.35 | SpeedEvil | A simple test - above - with while true;do sleep 1;kill -STOP xchat;sleep 10;kill -CONT xchat;done |
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| 12:48.48 | Caesium | make sure your bouncer responds to pings itself or you'll find yourself dropping off though :) |
| 12:48.56 | SpeedEvil | indicated that there are no fundamental problems with doing this and it will drastically reduce xchat wakeup calls |
| 12:49.02 | ShadowJK | Caesium, indeed :) |
| 12:49.10 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts this is meaningful |
| 12:49.22 | SpeedEvil | And the 'right' solution is something I've wanted for a while. |
| 12:49.27 | ShadowJK | I actually ran a script like that :) |
| 12:49.31 | SpeedEvil | Which is a way to queue all inbound packets for 30s. |
| 12:49.36 | SpeedEvil | or 60s |
| 12:49.49 | SpeedEvil | from all protocols, and send on a ping from the mobile device |
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| 12:50.15 | ShadowJK | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/GGAD/sec-mainloop.html#FL-INPUTFUNCS If xchat's network handling could be hooked up to the input functions stuff, xchat could sleep essentially forever until a UI event or a network event :) |
| 12:50.20 | SpeedEvil | In effect this is what wireless routers do - but with a poll interval of a few hundred milliseconds in powersave mode |
| 12:50.29 | ShadowJK | but that's a bit of a large rewrite I'd suspect.. :/ |
| 12:51.12 | SpeedEvil | Extend that out to a minute, and you see massive powersavings in many cases. |
| 12:51.35 | red | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB95IxvcGgE <- Finnish Ministers at their finest |
| 12:53.14 | RST38h | Ok, I have found the 500ms timer |
| 12:53.25 | ShadowJK | what is it? |
| 12:53.31 | RST38h | many things: |
| 12:53.34 | ShadowJK | <blink> support? :D |
| 12:53.37 | RST38h | lagometer - 500ms |
| 12:53.46 | RST38h | dcc timeout check - 1s |
| 12:53.57 | RST38h | lagometer display - 30s |
| 12:54.11 | RST38h | msproxy keepalive - 6m |
| 12:54.31 | RST38h | so, what do we kill here? |
| 12:54.35 | ShadowJK | and they're active always regardless if lagometer is on or not, dccs active or not, proxy in use or not, right... (*sigh*) |
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| 12:55.21 | SpeedEvil | Is that a quick fix just to turn them off if not active? |
| 12:55.47 | ShadowJK | You'd have to find the places where new dcc connections are created/killed, and activate/deactivate timers there |
| 12:56.27 | ShadowJK | But I'd just disable lagometer entirely, and change that 500ms timer to 2 minutes or something.. |
| 12:56.36 | ShadowJK | for an easy "fix" |
| 12:56.40 | SpeedEvil | as a quick hack - lagometer to 5s, would do most of it |
| 12:57.11 | SpeedEvil | and dcc |
| 12:57.27 | ShadowJK | I think the lagometer UI is the userlist that's disabled by default anyway? |
| 12:57.45 | SpeedEvil | it would be good of course to only poll if used |
| 12:59.39 | SpeedEvil | Today I'll hack up a soundcard into a nice current logger |
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| 13:09.13 | RST38h | Aaaaaaaaalllll riiiiight |
| 13:09.36 | RST38h | Lagometer timeout now turned off unless actual lagometer is enabled. |
| 13:09.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:09.43 | _claesbas | anyone got knots working on windows here ? |
| 13:09.49 | RST38h | The dcc check timeout set from 1 sec to 1 minute |
| 13:10.02 | RST38h | I hope this will still work |
| 13:10.05 | SpeedEvil | RST38: the fist would be a good patch to push upstream |
| 13:10.13 | RST38h | fuck the upstream. |
| 13:10.24 | RST38h | I am making myself a nice little irc client |
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| 13:10.52 | RST38h | whoever wants to get all open-sourcy about it, be my guests, the source is all yours |
| 13:11.08 | SpeedEvil | pidgin seems to be entirely event driven |
| 13:11.18 | Stskeeps | RST38h: lagometer for sure |
| 13:12.15 | RST38h | Gentlemen, is this lagometer thing even configurable from the UI? |
| 13:12.27 | RST38h | Because if it is, I will have to make it restart/kill the timer |
| 13:12.36 | RST38h | But I do not see it in the UI |
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| 13:17.30 | SpeedEvil | In the 3/4 hour since I booted xchat, it's used 13s of CPU |
| 13:17.43 | Oli```` | Any ideas how I might be able to get audio playing on my desktop (Ubuntu w/Pulseaudio) routed through to my n900? Strange question, I'm sure, but to my untrained eye it looks like it should be possible |
| 13:18.06 | SpeedEvil | which is about 2ms/wake |
| 13:18.24 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: chat less! |
| 13:18.26 | RST38h | =) |
| 13:18.31 | SpeedEvil | RST38: N900evil |
| 13:18.39 | SpeedEvil | which has been idle on several channels |
| 13:18.44 | papo | RST38h: Maybe DLNA? |
| 13:19.11 | papo | RST38h: some people tried to route pulseaudio but I'm not sure whether they succeeded |
| 13:19.33 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: We should all chat less for his sake then! |
| 13:20.03 | papo | sorry I was supposed to send that to Oli```` |
| 13:20.42 | Oli```` | papo: PA does have a DLNA output but what could consume it on the phone? |
| 13:20.57 | papo | Oli````: the media player can handle it |
| 13:21.11 | Oli```` | hmm |
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| 13:21.52 | papo | Oli````: it depends on whether you just want to listen to your media or have system sounds etc. as well.. I guess the latter would be more complicated |
| 13:23.42 | RST38h | BEHOLD: |
| 13:23.42 | RST38h | C# | Ratio | Avg/dura | Frequency | Ratio |
| 13:23.43 | RST38h | --------+--------+----------+-----------+--------+ |
| 13:23.43 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.43 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.43 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.44 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.46 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:25.04 | RST38h | Ok, this goes into autobuilder. Is it alive? =) |
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| 13:26.36 | SpeedEvil | where are you getting powertop |
| 13:26.48 | SpeedEvil | what was before like? |
| 13:27.19 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: there was no C4 at all |
| 13:27.37 | SpeedEvil | Everything is better with C4. |
| 13:27.38 | RST38h | powertop is available from the sdk repo |
| 13:27.57 | SpeedEvil | oh - I diddn't realise any of that stuff would run on device |
| 13:28.12 | SpeedEvil | thought it was all x86 |
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| 13:31.09 | RST38h | well it is not the same as Intel's powertop |
| 13:31.17 | RST38h | but performs similar function |
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| 13:33.23 | SpeedEvil | I mean - the sdk repo |
| 13:33.39 | SpeedEvil | where is the sdk repo? |
| 13:34.17 | RST38h | in the sdk? =) |
| 13:34.47 | frals | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 13:34.47 | frals | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free |
| 13:34.48 | frals | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 13:34.48 | frals | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free |
| 13:34.51 | SpeedEvil | I probably should install that at some point. |
| 13:35.22 | SpeedEvil | Got the tools, not the others though. |
| 13:35.28 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 13:35.37 | frals | np |
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| 13:38.55 | RST38bis | SpeedEvil, moo |
| 13:39.07 | RST38bis | auto complete works |
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| 13:40.37 | angasule | hmm, funny, the N810 sees the laptop's ad-hoc as having some kind of security |
| 13:47.24 | RST38h | Washington, D.C.'s attorney general has filed suit (District of Columbia vs. AT&T Corp, Superior Court of the District of Columbia), claiming the city has the right, through laws applying to unclaimed property, to unused calling-card balances held in the name of D.C. residents. |
| 13:47.28 | joppu | 09:08 [freenode] DCC SEND from bear [0.0.0.0 port 0]: поɦÊÉÐ¿É [0B bytes] requested in channel #maemo |
| 13:47.34 | joppu | uh the unicode |
| 13:47.41 | joppu | :P |
| 13:48.04 | RST38h | Alien vs Predator =) |
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| 13:52.05 | angasule | joppu: looks like a dropbear |
| 13:52.39 | angasule | hmm, ad hoc connected, but can't ping, bummerous |
| 13:53.18 | angasule | does the N810 WEP dialogue expect ASCII or hex? |
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| 13:57.14 | SpeedEvil | if it takes 13... |
| 13:57.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:01.00 | angasule | SpeedEvil: it works either way |
| 14:01.25 | angasule | I wrote it as ASCII and it connected (no ping) I wrote it as HEX and it connected (no ping) |
| 14:01.34 | SpeedEvil | I mean - if you can enter 26 chars, it can't want ascii |
| 14:02.01 | angasule | ad hoc doesn't fail if the WEP password is wrong, does it? with static IP |
| 14:02.27 | SpeedEvil | It should fail though - as it has no place to put the extra chars in hex |
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| 14:04.31 | angasule | it's not too hard to tell apart a HEX and ASCII key, maybe the N810 does it |
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| 14:07.21 | TomaszD | zaheerm, around? |
| 14:08.47 | BadRobot | Hello |
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| 14:09.34 | BadRobot | Does someone in here owns a RX-51 |
| 14:09.40 | BadRobot | ? |
| 14:09.57 | BadRobot | =-O |
| 14:10.11 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 14:10.15 | SpeedEvil | Several poeople. |
| 14:10.20 | SpeedEvil | poople even. |
| 14:10.36 | BadRobot | I am looking for VLC for maemo 5 |
| 14:10.53 | papo | 'people' seems to be a hard word to spell |
| 14:11.15 | BadRobot | :-D |
| 14:11.15 | SpeedEvil | I have gloves on. |
| 14:11.18 | SpeedEvil | It's cold. |
| 14:11.27 | papo | SpeedEvil: aw |
| 14:11.57 | BadRobot | in here too. it's very cold outside |
| 14:12.07 | SpeedEvil | 4.5c inside |
| 14:12.20 | BadRobot | -20 C |
| 14:12.29 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: >.> |
| 14:12.40 | Shapeshifter | is your heating broken |
| 14:12.51 | SpeedEvil | Yes, but cashflow problems too. |
| 14:13.01 | SpeedEvil | As in it's not. |
| 14:13.16 | Shapeshifter | that's horrible :| |
| 14:13.17 | SpeedEvil | And jumpers are mostly working. and electric blankets. |
| 14:13.55 | BadRobot | my rx-51 battery runs very fast . is it a bug on the device or is it something to do with maemo 5? |
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| 14:15.57 | Shapeshifter | rx-51? an n900 prototype or what. |
| 14:16.08 | BadRobot | I have sold my HTC Hero for the Nokia N900 but I don't know if I have made a good choice |
| 14:17.08 | SpeedEvil | BadRobot: it depends. |
| 14:17.16 | SpeedEvil | BadRobot: what are you doing with it. |
| 14:17.44 | SpeedEvil | BadRobot: for example a wireless access point that does not support powersaving will cause it to use lots of battery |
| 14:17.49 | BadRobot | No, I don't think it's a prototype because I have got it through my network |
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| 14:18.13 | SpeedEvil | then n900, not rx51 |
| 14:18.27 | BadRobot | 2 years contract paying 20 euros a month |
| 14:19.00 | wolf^ | SpeedEvil, in my user manual it says "rx-51" ;p |
| 14:19.44 | Caesium | pfft, got hassled to install Nokia Ovi Suite by my windows box just now when I booted it up, but it doesn't even work with the N900 :( |
| 14:19.53 | BadRobot | My too. But in the box says Nokia N900 |
| 14:20.02 | Caesium | the PC Suite that it unhelpfully replaced at least let me sync contacts and stuff |
| 14:20.07 | Caesium | so that's a downgrade, thanks Nokia :P |
| 14:20.45 | BadRobot | The Ovi Maps also socks! |
| 14:20.46 | Caesium | ah phew, PC Suite is still there :) |
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| 14:21.25 | BadRobot | I think google navigation maps is way better |
| 14:22.25 | BadRobot | But anyway I hope the maemo project have a better future then android |
| 14:22.34 | red | i think google is scary :p |
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| 14:23.00 | Shapeshifter | BadRobot: I agree. though you knew that before you exchanged your hero for an n900, right? |
| 14:23.05 | Shapeshifter | the map bit. |
| 14:23.05 | MSameer | frals: hey man |
| 14:23.18 | MSameer | frals: feel like joining MMS efforts ? ;) |
| 14:23.22 | BadRobot | I like Android but Maemo experience is much better |
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| 14:23.33 | frals | hiya, i replied to your blogpost earlier today ;-) |
| 14:23.58 | MSameer | frals: yeah just woke up and saw it |
| 14:24.08 | MSameer | you managed to beat me but congrats :) |
| 14:24.33 | frals | hehe, as long as it works it doesnt matter who creates it imo :) |
| 14:24.40 | MSameer | yup |
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| 14:24.50 | MSameer | hadn't checked your code yet |
| 14:25.00 | BadRobot | Is there anyway to sync my google contacts with N900? |
| 14:25.09 | MSameer | but seems it's more mature than my crap |
| 14:25.32 | frals | MSameer: what language are you coding in? |
| 14:25.40 | MSameer | C++ for now |
| 14:25.58 | MSameer | I don't feel that comfortable with python |
| 14:26.17 | frals | okey, ive done it all in python.. since.. well, i found a MMS lib for encoding/decoding in python that seemed to work :) |
| 14:26.31 | BadRobot | Is it there good place to get .deb files for maemo 5 ? |
| 14:26.37 | MSameer | yeah I saw it |
| 14:26.55 | MSameer | but I ended up cooking mine just because I wanted to understand how these things work |
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| 14:27.22 | frals | yeah, ive read through the specs for mms/wsp a million times >_< |
| 14:27.44 | MSameer | of course mine doesn't parse anything beyond the needed to inject a To address to an existing MMS |
| 14:28.09 | MSameer | how do you bring up the gprs interface ? |
| 14:28.12 | MSameer | ICD ? |
| 14:28.35 | frals | yeah, as long as no other connection is active it manages to connect correctly |
| 14:28.59 | MSameer | ic |
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| 14:31.52 | MaemohammadAG | updating xchat. bbl |
| 14:31.59 | Ceron | hahaha :DDD |
| 14:32.00 | Ceron | http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1262526807803.jpg |
| 14:32.34 | papo | SpeedEvil: You told me the voltages of the two charging steps yesterday... Could you repeat the, I can't find my notes |
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| 14:33.28 | BadRobot | Has someone got their hands on the n900 update? |
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| 14:33.39 | hcarrega | lol Ceron |
| 14:34.24 | Ceron | thats how you launch a fish into space |
| 14:35.08 | RST38h | Bad, bad robot. |
| 14:35.16 | TomaszD | bad BadRobot |
| 14:35.33 | FIQ | s/a/b/ |
| 14:35.41 | FIQ | k |
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| 14:36.20 | FIQ | s/k/z/ |
| 14:36.47 | SpeedEvil | papo: http://batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm |
| 14:36.52 | FIQ | s/z/\0/ |
| 14:36.56 | SpeedEvil | papo: and the related pages are of great use |
| 14:37.10 | FIQ | z |
| 14:37.10 | FIQ | s/z/\0/ |
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| 14:37.58 | joppu | RST38h: Don't download random debs, use the repos, top bugzilla/community contributors are testing the new update right now |
| 14:38.41 | papo | SpeedEvil: thank you |
| 14:38.41 | RST38h | joppu: thank you, Cpt Obvious |
| 14:38.41 | joppu | RST38h: sry I meant BadRobot |
| 14:38.41 | papo | SpeedEvil: I just observed it to increase up to 4146 where it remained for a couple of minutes. Is this the end of stage 1? |
| 14:38.49 | joppu | damn autocomplete :( |
| 14:38.52 | SpeedEvil | papo: probably |
| 14:39.01 | papo | ok |
| 14:39.06 | SpeedEvil | papo: I have doubts as to the accuracy and repeatabilty of the ADC |
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| 14:39.23 | FIQ | badautocompletion |
| 14:39.59 | papo | SpeedEvil: hm yes I'd need a large sample to know how accurate this is |
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| 14:41.09 | papo | SpeedEvil: maybe I can write a small script which writes to a log file and publish that on t.m.o to get more samples from other devices? |
| 14:41.26 | BadRobot | I need vlc for n900 |
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| 14:42.03 | frals | developing straight on the N900, having wifi powersavings off and charging makes it quite a nice finger radiator |
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| 14:42.25 | RST38h | frals: Try running Transmission |
| 14:42.32 | papo | BadRobot: did you google it? |
| 14:42.46 | frals | i can see that working even better :D |
| 14:42.48 | RST38h | frals: may even be able to fry some eggs with it |
| 14:43.22 | joppu | BadRobot: There's MPlayer, that is farly superior in every regard, so you really don't really need VLC |
| 14:43.54 | joppu | And I just can't spell again :( |
| 14:44.15 | BadRobot | I have tried it but . It can't play anything |
| 14:45.53 | joppu | BadRobot: Did you get the kmplayer too? |
| 14:46.17 | BadRobot | Yep |
| 14:46.38 | BadRobot | Didn't like none of them |
| 14:46.39 | joppu | BadRobot: Did you change the player to "mplayer" in the kmplayer options? |
| 14:46.51 | BadRobot | No |
| 14:47.08 | joppu | Well perhaps do it? |
| 14:47.25 | joppu | Also, real men run mplayer from command line :P |
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| 14:49.50 | papo | hm the two forums "N900" and "Fremantle" are somewhat similar on t.m.o |
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| 14:52.53 | frals | well the "fremantle" is for software and "n900" is for hardware specific... but yeah |
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| 14:52.58 | RST38h | N900 is hardware, Fremantle is software |
| 14:53.07 | RST38h | moos at penguinbait evilly |
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| 15:01.33 | RST38h | Ah, "first MMS sent from N900" |
| 15:01.44 | woglinde_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.53 | woglinde_ | rst hm new firmware out? |
| 15:02.04 | woglinde_ | is autobuilder usable again? |
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| 15:05.30 | RST38h | woglinde: autobuilder worked for me an hour ago |
| 15:05.37 | RST38h | woglinde: no new firmware so far |
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| 15:06.32 | Ceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0zCD0fsec0 vaporware game? no worries!! live action movie is here |
| 15:08.23 | fnordian900 | should xchat on n900 store favourites on exit? |
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| 15:08.48 | adalal | can anyone help me with setting up mail for exchange on the n900? |
| 15:09.22 | ifreq | if its 2003 = no help |
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| 15:11.15 | adalal | 2003? |
| 15:12.05 | joppu | Ceron: Hahaha, what the fuck! It ways "Oil Storage" in Finnish on the door :P |
| 15:12.20 | joppu | And "Forbidden" above it |
| 15:12.23 | joppu | at 0:25 |
| 15:12.54 | ShadowJK | adalal: I'd assume he means if the exchange server is versio 2003 |
| 15:13.33 | ifreq | adalal exchange 2003 |
| 15:13.51 | adalal | ah, well, this is with google servers |
| 15:14.21 | adalal | i've done it on symbian clients, i get an error saying that it's not recommended running it with pc suite, but i dont anyways |
| 15:15.52 | ShadowJK | I suspect a search for mfe and google on talk.maemo.org would give a quick overview of the situation |
| 15:16.49 | range | I always thought the quick overview was "Not officially supported and if it works you are lucky"? |
| 15:20.18 | adalal | lol, the problem is, i get the first sync done, i just can't click on next or finish |
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| 15:20.39 | adalal | and i get the error that states that it's not recommended to use pc suite along with mfe |
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| 15:20.54 | adalal | so, i just end up closing the thing, and losing all account settings |
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| 15:39.26 | AlienOne | Greetings |
| 15:40.04 | AlienOne | Anyone know if there is any impact if the factory set password to the "user" account on the N900 is changed? |
| 15:40.18 | RST38h | no impact |
| 15:42.26 | AlienOne | Excellent thank you - changing password then |
| 15:43.14 | villager | does the user account even have a factory set password? |
| 15:43.24 | inz | no |
| 15:43.59 | villager | thought not |
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| 15:49.10 | Shapeshifter | now I've seen several times on the forum that the n900 is not only made in korea but elsewhere as well. But I don't see where, (and even why they would do that). |
| 15:49.11 | TomaszD | I'm messing with gstreamer decoders and I'm getting an anxiety attack |
| 15:49.40 | TomaszD | sorcery! |
| 15:49.46 | AlienOne | another question is there a cross compiler in gcc for the ARMv7 processor - want to compile the latest version of Ruby to run on the N900? |
| 15:50.49 | woglinde_ | AlienOne????? |
| 15:50.52 | woglinde_ | install sdk |
| 15:50.53 | TomaszD | zaheerm !!! |
| 15:51.10 | woglinde_ | it has the crosscompiler automagicly |
| 15:54.30 | AlienOne | woglinde gracias |
| 15:54.39 | AlienOne | yep that is me AlienOne |
| 15:55.16 | RST38h | "...NBC executives rejected the initial version, claiming it was too "cerebral" for the average American viewer. To make the script more marketable, the American fascists were re-cast as man-eating extraterrestrials, taking the story into the realm of science fiction." |
| 15:55.26 | RST38h | Priceless |
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| 15:57.56 | woglinde_ | hm architeture all |
| 15:58.06 | woglinde_ | why my package is only build for i386 |
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| 16:07.18 | villager | you should probably not use architecture all, but architecture any |
| 16:08.14 | villager | all is for packages that don't need recompiling to work everywhere |
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| 16:08.55 | villager | hmm, then python scripts can be arch all, I suppose |
| 16:09.34 | woglinde_ | villager hm right |
| 16:12.40 | woglinde_ | villager thanks |
| 16:12.48 | woglinde_ | I always stumble over this |
| 16:15.48 | RST38h | hmm...leaving engadget employee reminisces on how cool it was to watch youtube videos at work and NOT slacking off by doing this |
| 16:16.16 | RST38h | miserable |
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| 16:18.48 | woglinde_ | ~lart stupid autobuilder |
| 16:18.48 | infobot | teaches stupid autobuilder that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 16:20.36 | FIQ | ~lart FIQ |
| 16:20.36 | infobot | slams FIQ against a large cement Tux |
| 16:20.37 | RST38h | woglinde: it worked for me |
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| 16:20.48 | RST38h | ~lart FIQ with passion |
| 16:20.48 | infobot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking FIQ with passion's head off |
| 16:20.56 | RST38h | heh |
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| 16:21.14 | RST38h | Whatever infobot has just done is non-trivial |
| 16:21.17 | FIQ | o.o |
| 16:21.52 | FIQ | ~lart GAN900 |
| 16:21.52 | infobot | runs at GAN900 with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
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| 16:22.35 | FIQ | swiss army knife.. |
| 16:22.36 | FIQ | makes me associtate to swiss manager |
| 16:22.53 | FIQ | oh, and i lost |
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| 16:36.47 | crashanddie | FIQ: you do not. TOUCH. GAN900 |
| 16:38.25 | woglinde_ | re crashanddie |
| 16:39.10 | FIQ | ok |
| 16:39.21 | FIQ | ~lart crashanddie |
| 16:39.21 | infobot | eats crashanddie's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 16:40.52 | RST38h | ah, punitive gastronomy |
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| 16:45.28 | papo | FIQ: Actually Swiss Army Knifes are quite handy in some situations |
| 16:49.27 | Meizirkki | ~lart himself |
| 16:49.27 | infobot | wallops himself with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 16:50.24 | TomaszD | haha, the ugly gstreamer package is my bitch now |
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| 16:50.39 | woglinde_ | hi felipec |
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| 16:56.21 | timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ HAM/SSU? |
| 16:56.29 | timeless_mbp | is trying to figure out what a certain thing actually does |
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| 16:58.23 | woglinde_ | has ssu still the old uclibc? |
| 16:58.55 | timeless_mbp | i hope not, but really do not know |
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| 17:01.19 | RST38h | moo lardman |
| 17:01.27 | RST38h | how are things? |
| 17:01.36 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 17:01.47 | lardman | busy |
| 17:01.57 | lardman | :( |
| 17:02.12 | woglinde_ | jo lardman |
| 17:02.19 | lardman | hi woglinde_ |
| 17:02.27 | RST38h | seems to have fixed XChat power troubles today (see extas-devel) |
| 17:02.49 | woglinde_ | rst hehe |
| 17:03.04 | woglinde | my package finally is in too |
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| 17:03.46 | woglinde | slow slow maemo.org |
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| 17:04.23 | siriusnova | where is the n900 update |
| 17:04.24 | siriusnova | :< |
| 17:04.34 | woglinde | siriusnova hm? |
| 17:04.41 | siriusnova | the new firmware update |
| 17:04.44 | Bolle_mobile | hi |
| 17:04.46 | ShadowJK | not out yet? |
| 17:04.48 | joppu | timeless_mbp: btw, jusk asking of curiosity, why doesn't MicroB allow native text input in forms? Like autosuggest and autocapitalization? |
| 17:04.48 | siriusnova | that will fix the buggy crap that the current firmware i |
| 17:04.48 | siriusnova | is |
| 17:04.49 | woglinde | you mean unoffical alpah software? |
| 17:04.51 | siriusnova | :/ |
| 17:05.01 | Bolle_mobile | trys xchat on n900 :) |
| 17:05.16 | RST38h | Anyone know how to take over a key combination, GLOBALLY? |
| 17:05.23 | woglinde | uahahah couchdb |
| 17:05.32 | woglinde | the cloud has come to n900 |
| 17:06.04 | RST38h | (if I can do this without any C programming, that would be even better) |
| 17:06.06 | jaska | ugh |
| 17:06.28 | woglinde | hm that wasnt my package |
| 17:06.35 | lardman | has been looking for BT compasses too |
| 17:06.37 | woglinde | lets see who put in the que |
| 17:06.41 | lardman | without much luck |
| 17:06.55 | woglinde | lardman hm |
| 17:08.11 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I can point you to ones that will work but are not cheap |
| 17:08.22 | TomaszD | only a few hours later... gstreamer0.10-rm_0.10.10.2-1maemo2_armel.deb |
| 17:08.23 | SpeedEvil | lardman: there are boating compasses with NMEA output. |
| 17:08.31 | SpeedEvil | lardman: then just use a serial->bt converter |
| 17:08.37 | timeless_mbp | joppu: didn't i explain that in a fairly detailed manner in a bug? |
| 17:08.55 | timeless_mbp | roughly speaking the nokia IME is incredibly broken |
| 17:09.02 | timeless_mbp | and is not a well behaved IME |
| 17:09.34 | timeless_mbp | and in order to behave usefully w/ web2 applications, the approach(es) the IME uses will pretty much break everything :) |
| 17:09.36 | lardman | SpeedEvil: yeah, large and expensive, not ideal unfortaunately |
| 17:09.50 | woglinde | RST38h better write to th -dev mailinglist |
| 17:09.58 | timeless_mbp | the bigger problem is that pretty much no one anywhere actually understands IMEs |
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| 17:10.04 | timeless_mbp | Gecko has an implementation |
| 17:10.23 | timeless_mbp | microb has a possibly broken gateway (this can at times be a problem of course) |
| 17:10.34 | SpeedEvil | IME? |
| 17:10.40 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: google? |
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| 17:10.58 | timeless_mbp | the first 4 hits are all lucky :) |
| 17:10.59 | joppu | text input thingy |
| 17:10.59 | SpeedEvil | Google involves getting cold. |
| 17:11.49 | RST38h | woglinde: I hate mailing lists |
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| 17:12.47 | TomaszD | can anyone point me to an SD rmvb sample file? |
| 17:13.19 | joppu | timeless_mbp: so it get a "fixed in Harmattan" flag? :P |
| 17:13.54 | timeless_mbp | joppu: more like it gets a "see what happens in fennec" flag |
| 17:14.08 | timeless_mbp | if i'm right and the actual bugs are that the IME sucks |
| 17:14.21 | timeless_mbp | then it won't get fixed until the IME is redone *properly* with input from people who know better |
| 17:14.22 | joppu | TomaszD: You shouldn't be using RealMedia Variable Bitrate in first place :( |
| 17:14.28 | timeless_mbp | which is unlikely to happen even for harmattan |
| 17:14.36 | timeless_mbp | even if hypothetically harmattan includes a brand new ime |
| 17:15.18 | TomaszD | joppu, gee, thanks for your help |
| 17:15.20 | Stskeeps | HIM is way too broke to fix |
| 17:15.33 | lardman | infobot: Google IME for me please |
| 17:15.59 | lcuk | We can rebuild HIM we have the technology. |
| 17:16.03 | joppu | timeless_mbp: I really have no guess what Mozilla has been doing all this time with Fennec. It's "1.0" but it's still so goddamn slow and unoptimized |
| 17:16.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: why xchat-14? |
| 17:16.14 | lardman | lcuk: and $12M ?!? |
| 17:16.17 | lardman | ;) |
| 17:16.19 | lcuk | :D |
| 17:16.24 | lardman | or was it 10? |
| 17:16.30 | lcuk | 6 |
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| 17:16.56 | lcuk | waves from very groggy sleep |
| 17:17.07 | joppu | TomaszD: It's your own fault using RealPlayer, which you shouldn't be doing in the first place :D |
| 17:17.13 | lardman | waves back from groggy MATLAB programming |
| 17:17.19 | lcuk | yikes |
| 17:17.27 | Meizirkki | ~qwerty |
| 17:17.28 | infobot | meizirkki forgot how to type |
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| 17:17.47 | ShadowJK | ~google IME |
| 17:17.47 | lardman | Meizirkki: ~seen qwerty |
| 17:18.03 | lcuk | hes in tmo |
| 17:18.09 | lardman | ~seen infobot |
| 17:18.10 | infobot | lardman: i haven't seen 'infobot' |
| 17:18.12 | lcuk | ~seen qwerty12 |
| 17:18.13 | infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 30d 22h 54m 14s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. |
| 17:18.13 | TomaszD | joppu, FYI, I'm making a RealMedia demuxer package for the n900 |
| 17:18.20 | Meizirkki | ~seen infobot |
| 17:18.21 | infobot | i haven't seen 'infobot', Meizirkki |
| 17:18.27 | Meizirkki | haha |
| 17:18.34 | lardman | infobot: you probably need glasses |
| 17:18.49 | frals | lardman: i raise your MATLAB programming with MMS decoding |
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| 17:19.02 | timeless_mbp | joppu: mozilla is doing things with a schedule, but carefully |
| 17:19.12 | timeless_mbp | at nokia, for microb, we were cutting as many corners as possible |
| 17:19.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | Vglasses/mirror/ |
| 17:19.26 | timeless_mbp | (often more in fact) |
| 17:19.43 | lardman | frals: deadlines raise the bar here too :( |
| 17:19.52 | lcuk | frals, lardman mightv been using matlab to calculate the sped of an MMS |
| 17:20.01 | lcuk | speed even |
| 17:20.01 | frals | lcuk: :D |
| 17:20.05 | lardman | but no :) |
| 17:20.08 | ShadowJK | african or european mms? |
| 17:20.09 | frals | lardman: you win ;) |
| 17:20.11 | joppu | TomaszD: I'll get you a file them |
| 17:20.23 | Meizirkki | ~see what's in the mirror |
| 17:20.24 | infobot | ACTION whispers to what's in the mirror "You didn't see anything...." |
| 17:20.27 | Meizirkki | haha |
| 17:20.43 | TomaszD | joppu, I found one already |
| 17:20.44 | lcuk | lol ShadowJK |
| 17:20.49 | TomaszD | just fixing up last dep issue |
| 17:22.07 | GAN900 | FIQ, what'd I do? :( |
| 17:22.07 | joppu | Ok, what ever |
| 17:22.50 | Macer | has anybody ever seen an .isz file before? |
| 17:22.52 | Macer | wtf is that? |
| 17:23.32 | lcuk | ISZ - WinMount Compressed ISO Image (WinMount International Inc.) |
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| 17:24.08 | lcuk | ive seen em, never used |
| 17:24.09 | lardman | http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/isz etc |
| 17:24.31 | lcuk | ultraiso |
| 17:26.11 | lcuk | made a stand for n900 last night out of a ciggy packet |
| 17:26.33 | lcuk | will have to do one in wood soon |
| 17:26.46 | TomaszD | victory, RMVB works on the N900 |
| 17:27.12 | ifreq | moin |
| 17:27.19 | lcuk | lots of victories atm :) |
| 17:27.21 | ifreq | any good msn-plugin out yet? |
| 17:27.26 | lcuk | sounds like people have been busy over xmas |
| 17:28.00 | Macer | lardman: heh |
| 17:28.01 | Macer | wtf |
| 17:28.04 | Macer | what a bunch of crap |
| 17:28.10 | Macer | need to convert this |
| 17:28.15 | Macer | wonder if debian can mount it |
| 17:28.22 | TomaszD | it's kind of slow, but it does work |
| 17:28.47 | joppu | TomaszD: I have to honestly ask you what advantages there would be with RealMedia support? |
| 17:29.04 | lardman | watching the BBC rugby |
| 17:29.07 | lardman | for one ;) |
| 17:29.21 | lardman | or listening to it if we're talking about sound :) |
| 17:29.31 | woglinde | lardman who is playing? |
| 17:29.36 | RST38h | ahhaha |
| 17:29.42 | Macer | crap |
| 17:29.43 | lardman | no-one atm, but just in general |
| 17:29.46 | TomaszD | joppu, I had lots of fun making it happen, and by fun I mean several anxiety attacks while figuring out the build system |
| 17:29.52 | Macer | looks like i am going to have to use a win7 box to use daemontools to mount this |
| 17:29.55 | FIQ | GAN900: nothing, i'm bored |
| 17:29.58 | Macer | whomever made it should be shot |
| 17:30.00 | Macer | in the nuts |
| 17:30.19 | lcuk | i doubt that would decrypt the file |
| 17:30.55 | Macer | lcuk: only if it isn't encrypted |
| 17:31.03 | Macer | i don't think it requires encryption to be used |
| 17:31.06 | Macer | or password protection |
| 17:31.09 | lardman | gives Nokia a small curse for not building an e-compass in |
| 17:31.10 | lcuk | decode then |
| 17:31.22 | lcuk | lardman did you see my post about the spacer |
| 17:31.25 | Macer | i was just going to mount it in daemon tools and move the files off it out of the isz |
| 17:31.26 | lcuk | get somethign small enough |
| 17:31.35 | Macer | i hope this doesn't turn into a new thing |
| 17:31.37 | Macer | heh |
| 17:31.39 | lardman | am not keen on opening the case tbh |
| 17:31.47 | lcuk | me neither |
| 17:31.49 | Macer | blah well. whatever. let me try this |
| 17:31.57 | lcuk | but its the first thing removed |
| 17:32.04 | lcuk | beyond the case cover |
| 17:32.10 | lardman | shame that wintec ???-100 is no longer available |
| 17:32.20 | frals | wanders off with OMA-TS-MMS-CTR-V1_3-20060128-C.pdf |
| 17:32.31 | lardman | sounds fun ;) |
| 17:32.41 | lcuk | smiles more @ frals |
| 17:32.52 | lcuk | you need coffee and a bun with that? |
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| 17:33.50 | lcuk | lardman http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-news/nokia-n900-disassembly/ at 1minute 14 |
| 17:34.08 | frals | i think i need something a lot stronger than coffee, cheers thou ;) |
| 17:34.29 | lcuk | frals thats easy |
| 17:34.35 | lcuk | lardman has a whole bar |
| 17:34.40 | timeless_mbp | joppu: to be fair, the nokia group that did optimization was not really the same as the team that did the ui |
| 17:34.44 | timeless_mbp | and the same applies for mozilla |
| 17:34.56 | timeless_mbp | the optimizations are typically done by a team that specializes in optimizations |
| 17:35.05 | joonsm | moro. ongelma: Voip ja pikaviestitilit nappula ei reagoi. eikä keskusteluissa "uusi IM".. mistäs johtunee? |
| 17:35.08 | timeless_mbp | and such teams are generally overtasked and prioritized |
| 17:35.09 | villager | RST38h: X allows a window to grab special key combos by using XGrabKey. window managers often do this. I don't think there's a way to do it with gtk, so you probably have to use C |
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| 17:35.22 | timeless_mbp | Joonsm: English? :) |
| 17:36.42 | joonsm | problem. voip and im-button doesnt work in settings.. neither "new IM" in conversations ? |
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| 17:38.26 | ifreq | joonsm: solution, remove new IM accounts&conver plugin and wait for proper and really working one |
| 17:41.30 | lardman | lcuk, frals, glass of wine? |
| 17:41.31 | joonsm | thank you. :) |
| 17:41.34 | joppu | joonsm: Käytätkö telepathy-haze:a vai telepathy-butterly:ä? Siis jos kyseessä on MSN? |
| 17:41.51 | lcuk | oh yes! mr lardman that would be great |
| 17:42.08 | joonsm | butterfly |
| 17:42.11 | joonsm | meni jo |
| 17:42.11 | ifreq | joppu, ei se hazekaa oikee lähteny pelittää (+mitä foorumeit luki niin yhtä tehosyöppöö)</fi> |
| 17:42.22 | lcuk | best get on and make an app |
| 17:42.38 | lardman | ah, plastic bit good stuff |
| 17:43.02 | lardman | acidic screws |
| 17:43.52 | joppu | ifreq: Well, atleast butterfly had excessive power usage, I switched to haze a today. Currently testing it out. |
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| 17:44.08 | RST38h | villager: thanks =) |
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| 17:44.57 | ifreq | joppu: yeah gl. |
| 17:45.11 | ifreq | btw hermes is quite nice app :) (just a sidenote) |
| 17:45.25 | joonsm | i suppose there has been conversations about if maemo 6 something we could have on n900 also ? |
| 17:45.43 | Stskeeps | best way to make sure it happens is by contributing to mer on n900 |
| 17:45.47 | joppu | joonsm: nothing officially confirmed |
| 17:45.56 | Macer | well. daemon tools worked |
| 17:46.00 | Macer | that was still lame tho |
| 17:46.27 | joonsm | joppu: personal thougts ? its possible right ? |
| 17:46.32 | RST38h | "Dense fog caused carnage in India today as four trains collided..." |
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| 17:46.40 | Ceron | http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/126252727334.jpg |
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| 17:48.42 | joppu | joonsm: Well previous tablets got the new versions as semi-official Hacker Editions |
| 17:48.45 | GAN900 | Planet is just one article about dangerous stuff after another. |
| 17:49.01 | GAN900 | "Hey, get some cool software in Extras-devel!" |
| 17:49.28 | RST38h | Yea yea |
| 17:49.42 | RST38h | the more of them do that the fewer of them will be left to brag about it |
| 17:50.08 | RST38h | GAN: By the way, get cool new XChat build 14 from Extras-devel =) |
| 17:50.10 | jebba | RST38h: thx for optifying xchat :) |
| 17:50.56 | ifreq | yau :) saw some update today |
| 17:51.10 | RST38h | "...gave her infant daughter a high dose of morphine last June in an attempt to garner the attention of the child's father..." |
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| 17:51.16 | jebba | [Waiting for headers] |
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| 17:51.24 | lubosz1 | hi |
| 17:51.28 | woglinde | jebba slow slow maemo.org |
| 17:51.29 | jebba | hey |
| 17:51.37 | lubosz1 | is there a way to install the sdk over a apt repository? |
| 17:51.56 | woglinde | lubosz hm is that question serious? |
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| 17:51.59 | jenifer | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139747394 |
| 17:52.27 | jebba | woglinde: they're not slow! Stop your venting! We're "lucky" to have such "top notch" services! STFU! http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023374.html |
| 17:52.28 | lubosz | woglinde: without the bash script, just over aptitude |
| 17:52.53 | woglinde | lubosz better use the script |
| 17:53.02 | woglinde | because it does much more thinks |
| 17:53.04 | woglinde | things |
| 17:53.10 | lubosz | the script is very hacky, plus i'm on 64bit :/ |
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| 17:53.48 | RST38h | jebba: really? lucky? |
| 17:54.09 | woglinde | lubosz you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation ? |
| 17:54.26 | Stskeeps | jebba: CDN being slow is a it awkward fwiw |
| 17:54.27 | RST38h | jenifer <-- spammer |
| 17:54.35 | Stskeeps | jebba: it's akamai |
| 17:55.27 | jebba | RST38h: well, that's what i'm told.... |
| 17:55.51 | RST38h | jenifer: (and yes, you should probably hire a native Russian speaker to do the translation) |
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| 17:56.04 | jebba | jenifer left the room (quit: K-lined). |
| 17:56.13 | RST38h | Ah good good |
| 17:56.24 | GAN900 | jebba, get over it. |
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| 17:56.58 | Stskeeps | jebba: so if akamai is slow a bunch of other services should be messed up too, non-maemo.org'ian |
| 17:57.15 | RST38h | GAN900: When you have to screw with autobuilder and package interface on daily basis, "getting over it" is kind of difficult +( |
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| 17:57.51 | jebba | Stskeeps: I'm not talking about akamai nor their other clients. I'm just saying when i do things like apt-get update, it hangs quite often. Surely you've seen this too. |
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| 17:58.05 | jebba | amongst other outages. I dont know if it lays with akamai or where. |
| 17:58.18 | RST38h | jebba: That is repositories randomly screwing up |
| 17:58.19 | jebba | GAN900: how about instead of "get over it" it gets fixed? |
| 17:58.19 | GAN900 | RST38h, unfortunately bitching here isn't helping speed things along. |
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| 17:58.22 | RST38h | Usually -devel |
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| 17:58.25 | Lantizia | Hey I have an N900... can I edit the contacts on it via the PC? or perhaps synchronize the contact with something else on the PC and then send them back (that supports display pictures perhaps?) ? |
| 17:58.25 | lubosz | woglinde: yes a very good link, thx |
| 17:58.33 | GAN900 | jebba, people are working on it. |
| 17:58.40 | jebba | GAN900: actually it seems to. That's usually how the admins appear to find out something is out. |
| 17:58.42 | RST38h | GAN900: Nothing seems to help speeding things along, so bitching here is as good as anything else :( |
| 17:58.51 | RST38h | jebba: Not on Sunday evening though |
| 17:58.52 | GAN900 | jebba, so your best bet is to relax and let them do their jobs. |
| 17:58.56 | Stskeeps | jebba: well, 403 is a real problem, same with Release hash tags.. but hanging i've only seen when my router was corrupting my DNS packages |
| 17:58.57 | jebba | pfft |
| 17:58.59 | Stskeeps | packets |
| 17:59.04 | jebba | they AREN'T doing their jobs, that's the point. |
| 17:59.10 | Stskeeps | (verified by 'host' on my device) |
| 17:59.29 | jebba | it's not like this is a new issue. |
| 17:59.31 | GAN900 | jebba, your opinion is noted, now kindly move on. |
| 17:59.46 | jebba | ? since when do you get to say who can say what? |
| 17:59.48 | Stskeeps | either way, servers being slow can only be sorted once things are over on the new infrastructure |
| 17:59.56 | Stskeeps | which is logical |
| 18:00.02 | microlith | jebba: for all our sakes, I don't think there's anyone in here that can do anything about it |
| 18:00.03 | jebba | some mirrors seem logical to me. |
| 18:00.17 | jebba | X-Fade can |
| 18:00.33 | Stskeeps | jebba: donated mirrors are a mess :/ |
| 18:00.42 | microlith | that's what e-mail is for :> |
| 18:00.49 | Stskeeps | jebba: i've had to deal with all sorts of issues with them in another project |
| 18:00.51 | jebba | ya, debian has real problems with it. And kernel.org and every other distro on the planet. |
| 18:01.03 | GAN900 | jebba, I'm an irritated sick person with op. :) |
| 18:01.10 | jebba | pfft |
| 18:01.15 | Stskeeps | jebba: if it has to be vhost repository.maemo.org, it gets more difficult |
| 18:01.36 | jebba | Stskeeps: this isn't new ground here. This has been done by *many* distros. |
| 18:01.50 | Stskeeps | GAN900: jebba isn't a troll though :/ |
| 18:01.51 | jebba | i mean, it's not like something new needs to be invented... |
| 18:02.54 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, doesn't make me want to read his complaints every 12 hours. |
| 18:03.05 | jebba | GAN900: i'll stfu when things work |
| 18:03.22 | jebba | i would be *working* and not griping here if i didn't stare at timeouts all the time. |
| 18:03.50 | Stskeeps | jebba: experiencing timeouts atm? |
| 18:03.58 | jebba | they come and go |
| 18:04.04 | Stskeeps | ok, i am actually too atm |
| 18:04.06 | jebba | i successfully completed a apt-get update... |
| 18:04.23 | Stskeeps | yeah, CDN is messed up |
| 18:04.30 | jebba | 20.4k/sec! yippe!! This on a server at a data center with 100MBit connection. |
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| 18:04.48 | jebba | i get 8,000k+ set from mirrors.kernel.org |
| 18:04.54 | jebba | s/set/sec |
| 18:05.00 | Stskeeps | oh, wait a sec |
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| 18:05.08 | Stskeeps | someone did mention people were DoSing over newyears |
| 18:05.08 | lcuk | is the slowness in part related to how frequently devices check for updates |
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| 18:05.11 | Stskeeps | like, the infra |
| 18:05.15 | jebba | think that has any affect on workflow? |
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| 18:05.27 | lcuk | DOS can be accidental and not a specific action of a user |
| 18:05.45 | lcuk | you sneeze and HAM checks for update |
| 18:05.56 | jebba | i didnt hear about DoS. But of course, the admins don't report anything that's going on, unless the few lines from qaiku count as updates. |
| 18:06.05 | lcuk | people are mentioning whenever they go online with new net connect |
| 18:06.08 | lcuk | its rechecking |
| 18:06.20 | Stskeeps | jebba: take it to council, that's what they're here for |
| 18:06.41 | Stskeeps | people should get better at informing what happens |
| 18:08.05 | jebba | yes. Standard: "Outage expected for upgrade Jan 5th, 2010" "Outage today due to failed disk" "Upgrade complete, services back online" etc. Emails like that sent to -devel or a dedicated list of some sort is what is common. I'll write council. |
| 18:08.18 | Stskeeps | thanks |
| 18:08.40 | Stskeeps | qaikus are so small noone has an excuse |
| 18:08.43 | Stskeeps | so that'd be preferred |
| 18:09.19 | RST38h | moos at the moon |
| 18:09.27 | lcuk | is the qaiku feed available on the maemo wiki? |
| 18:09.35 | lcuk | or on maemo server |
| 18:09.50 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I doubt council can do anything about it |
| 18:10.02 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i'd like to see council at least so -something- :P |
| 18:10.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: what,s new (in short) on xchat14? |
| 18:10.12 | lcuk | "see what the team are upto" would be better on official maemo.org space |
| 18:10.14 | Stskeeps | s/so/do/ |
| 18:10.17 | RST38h | Stskeeps: print more tshirts? :) |
| 18:10.29 | RST38h | DocScrut: check the changes section |
| 18:10.30 | papo | uhm |
| 18:10.33 | RST38h | Or my tmo post |
| 18:10.42 | wazd_e63 | rst38h, hey, around? |
| 18:10.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: hmm ok |
| 18:10.55 | RST38h | wazd: yea. what;s cooking? |
| 18:10.56 | papo | I just double-tapped by TV to zoom into a section... looks like the N900 is influencing me |
| 18:11.07 | Stskeeps | RST38h: servers being slow is a matter of getting moved to new infrastructure for sure.. we can all agree that's the main priority atm |
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| 18:11.25 | lcuk | papo just wait until you start taking tv outside |
| 18:11.25 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h, any signs of Roman around?) |
| 18:11.31 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Servers were slow before and after the previous move to the new infrastructure. |
| 18:11.36 | papo | lcuk: in my pocket |
| 18:11.39 | Stskeeps | stuff like the changes to extras process not getting done is something different though |
| 18:11.40 | RST38h | wazd: Yea. He is in FL for NY |
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| 18:11.52 | RST38h | wazd: So, I guess wait for a couple of days |
| 18:12.03 | Stskeeps | and it just shows that more people need to participate in the development of the maemo.org infrastructure |
| 18:12.06 | wazd_e63 | Rst38h, ah, ok) |
| 18:12.12 | RST38h | Stskeeps: exactly |
| 18:12.20 | RST38h | Stskeeps: But right now we only have X-Fade |
| 18:12.29 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well, not nessecarily paid |
| 18:12.44 | Stskeeps | but maemo.org is 'in essense' run as a closed source operation in some instances |
| 18:12.46 | RST38h | Stskeeps: And, apparently, maemo.org infrastructure is so messed up with nokia's that you are supposed to be a Nokia employee just to look at it |
| 18:13.01 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ah, that part i do agree is a bit screwed up.. |
| 18:13.15 | RST38h | Stskeeps: so, at the end, we still have just X-fade |
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| 18:13.40 | RST38h | And probably a huge pile of messy, convoluted code that has never been debugged |
| 18:13.45 | jebba | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.html http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist http://api.mandriva.com/mirrors/list.php http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors2.xml Even tiny distros like puppy linux have mirrors: http://www.puppylinux.com/download/ |
| 18:13.59 | RST38h | jebba: Stop complaining already, will ya? |
| 18:14.17 | RST38h | X-Fade is not here, he is probably still celebratin NY somewhere nice |
| 18:14.33 | Stskeeps | jebba: make statistics at how slow CDN is performing, mail them, and hopefully it'll be fixed monday-friday |
| 18:14.50 | wazd_e63 | woo, spiderman 3 |
| 18:14.50 | RST38h | And I, presonally, would rather see another link from dailyrotten.com than a bunch of linux urls |
| 18:14.56 | Stskeeps | jebba: none of those use one hostname though |
| 18:15.02 | Stskeeps | like http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 18:15.12 | wazd_e63 | At last something non dumb on TV |
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| 18:15.32 | jebba | Stskeeps: and why would one hostname be required anyway? |
| 18:15.51 | Stskeeps | jebba: well.. the main issue is apt not supporting redirects |
| 18:16.08 | Stskeeps | second is that it's what is in every SDK, N900, .install files |
| 18:16.24 | RST38h | wazd: what? |
| 18:16.40 | Stskeeps | jebba: so that means to have a proper mirror process, you need to have a contract with someone |
| 18:17.27 | jebba | everyone else seems to have sorted out this problem except maemo. I suggest following mainstream practices..... |
| 18:17.35 | Stskeeps | cos it won't be good if you start having someone in your DNS pool that starts suddenly showing nazi propaganda cos he gets pissed off at someone at talk.maemo.org |
| 18:17.55 | Stskeeps | (i have -actually seen this happen in another project-( |
| 18:19.16 | jebba | and i've seen hundreds of linux projects over the last decade solve this problem easily. |
| 18:19.19 | Stskeeps | jebba: but anyway, to get back to the point, yes, there's something odd with the CDN right now, let's investigate constructively what's wrong, but chances are that it'll be a matter of calling the contact at the CDN explaining the problem |
| 18:19.55 | RST38h | Stskeeps: You probably won't argue that someone showing nazi propaganda at maemo.org would be hilarious though |
| 18:20.08 | RST38h | for an hour or two, anyway |
| 18:20.13 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps, had some time to build Marina yet?) |
| 18:20.29 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: been moving office and cleaning at the mercy of my wife for the last days.. haven't even done any Mer stuff :P |
| 18:20.35 | Stskeeps | RST38h: if it's in the style of the pimp suit photoshops, i would probably giggle a bit |
| 18:20.54 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Nah, it is only funny when it is deadly serious |
| 18:21.13 | wazd_e63 | Stskeeps, ah, no problem) |
| 18:21.14 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm probably a bit influenced by watching too much Allo Allo the last couple of days |
| 18:21.18 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Seen that quote about the "V" vintage soap opera? =) |
| 18:21.23 | jebba | gah, even this is spinning http://maemo.org/community/ How does one contact the community council? |
| 18:21.32 | RST38h | can only guess what that is |
| 18:21.47 | Stskeeps | jebba: council@maemo.org or poke VDVsx, penguinbait, .. err, who's in the CC again? |
| 18:21.50 | SpeedEvil | jebba: google cache? |
| 18:21.50 | RST38h | jebba: One waits for them to come here and then whines |
| 18:21.51 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:21.58 | jebba | i'm guessing my connection to *.maemo.org is even extra crappy due to being in south america and not europe/USA. |
| 18:22.04 | RST38h | jebba: Fortunately, irc.freenode.org is not managed by maemo.org team |
| 18:22.16 | jebba | ya, and it WORKS |
| 18:22.16 | Stskeeps | oh, qole, gcobb and texrat |
| 18:22.18 | lardman | RST38h: waits for them to come here then gives then wine you mean surely? |
| 18:22.25 | RST38h | jebba: Ah, don't you worry, it is as shitty from Europe and the USA |
| 18:22.28 | Stskeeps | jebba: well, no |
| 18:22.38 | Stskeeps | freenode has been in the crapper for some days now due to DoS :P |
| 18:22.48 | RST38h | lardman: vinnegar is the most they are gonna get from me, personally =) |
| 18:22.52 | jebba | well, runs far better than maemo.... |
| 18:23.05 | RST38h | Stskeeps: In a shallower crapper than maemo.org permanently is, though |
| 18:23.13 | Stskeeps | anyway |
| 18:23.27 | Stskeeps | less talk more doing, this is a community, not your local supermarket |
| 18:23.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:23.31 | Stskeeps | goes hack |
| 18:23.40 | flux | too bad IRC hasn't been extended since its first inception, other than for trivialities like services and different policies on what to do on collisions |
| 18:23.40 | RST38h | does not talk in supermarkets |
| 18:23.54 | RST38h | and why is it too bad? |
| 18:23.57 | Stskeeps | if development process of maemo.org isn't open, blog about it, write a mailing list post, etc |
| 18:23.58 | flux | for example, non-tree networks, client-handover, would be nice |
| 18:24.06 | Stskeeps | i agree it isn't as open as it should be though |
| 18:24.09 | flux | and fallback-server-support |
| 18:24.22 | Stskeeps | flux: non-tree is so hyped without any proven benefit |
| 18:24.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:24.28 | RST38h | fallback server support is done in clients |
| 18:24.36 | lcuk | flux, x thats infrastructure level, we still have to get over the basic problem of irc |
| 18:24.50 | RST38h | lcuk: morons? :) |
| 18:24.50 | lcuk | how to stab trolls in the face over the internet is the most requested feature |
| 18:24.58 | RST38h | Yea, I knew it was morons |
| 18:25.08 | flux | stskeeps, well, attack the root and what happens to a great percentage of users? |
| 18:25.18 | RST38h | Well, IRC does provide a convenient kick/ban interface |
| 18:25.20 | flux | stskeeps, keeping the root hidden is one recourse, though |
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| 18:25.40 | lcuk | thinks irc is one of the coolest pieces of tech |
| 18:26.30 | RST38h | flux: here is what happens to you when you attack roots: http://community.livejournal.com/kitchen_nax/3470351.html#cutid1 |
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| 18:27.03 | flux | rst38h, had to google that for me, hmm?-) |
| 18:27.13 | RST38h | flux: of course not |
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| 18:27.23 | RST38h | always has a wide selection of this stuff ready for quoting |
| 18:27.59 | Stskeeps | uh |
| 18:28.06 | Stskeeps | garage is actually bloody fast atm |
| 18:28.29 | RST38h | christmas miracle. |
| 18:28.34 | flux | rst38h, too bad quotebank.com is taken. as is quotle.com, too.. you could provide a great service :) |
| 18:28.39 | Stskeeps | well, garage was migrated i think |
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| 18:30.54 | mkargar | hello |
| 18:32.49 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I know you hope it is the result of migration, but in fact it is a christmas miracle =)~~ |
| 18:33.13 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: get me settings to use in TM for marina? |
| 18:33.38 | Stskeeps | wazd_e63: oh, you didn't send me template :( |
| 18:36.26 | lardman | jeremiah: lol @ Yak shaving |
| 18:36.48 | jeremiah | heh |
| 18:37.00 | jeremiah | I wanna shave my yak my way! |
| 18:37.05 | lardman | hmm |
| 18:37.10 | lardman | considers running and hiding! |
| 18:37.11 | jeremiah | You guys are shaving the yak wrong! |
| 18:37.23 | lardman | but instead goes to eat his roast yak, bbiab |
| 18:37.34 | jeremiah | Mmmmm. Roasted Yak. |
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| 18:39.41 | penguinbait | I like sweet potato's with my roasted yak |
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| 18:40.34 | jeremiah | I read someone that the national dish of Tibet is black bread and rancid yak butter. |
| 18:40.43 | jeremiah | s/someone/somewhere/ |
| 18:43.49 | RST38h | will skip on the butter then |
| 18:44.20 | jeremiah | Skip on the Vineager for a while too please. |
| 18:44.33 | RST38h | Mmm |
| 18:45.07 | RST38h | jeremiah: I know it is not exactly on the same topic, but do you know how hyppos take a shit? |
| 18:45.16 | jeremiah | Do tell. |
| 18:46.09 | RST38h | Well, a hippo runs at full speed, defecating on the run and rotating its tail to spread the product over as wide territory as possible |
| 18:46.29 | jeremiah | heh |
| 18:46.42 | RST38h | I hope you see analogy to certain internet activities... |
| 18:47.19 | jeremiah | The interwebs are big place. |
| 18:47.31 | jeremiah | Even a Hippo couldn't poo everywhere. |
| 18:47.34 | RST38h | More hippos, longer tails =) |
| 18:47.47 | jeremiah | :) |
| 18:47.51 | RST38h | looks at t.m.o suggestively |
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| 18:53.57 | woglinde | hmre |
| 18:54.20 | pupnik | it's not a place to peruse anymore |
| 18:54.36 | pupnik | rather, search |
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| 18:56.14 | hrw | hi |
| 18:56.18 | RST38h | ehlo hrw |
| 18:57.11 | hrw | ~curse sdk for having broken debuild |
| 18:57.12 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, sdk for having broken debuild ! |
| 18:58.24 | hrw | ARGHH!!!@!!@#%@#%@ |
| 18:58.27 | pupnik | "Creating portable software written in the C language has historically been challenging. This chapter introduces GNU autotools as one solution for managing this complexity. " http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_application_development_content/plain_html/node7/ |
| 18:58.34 | hrw | Build-Depends: debhelper, cdbs (>= 0.4), libgles2-dev [armel] | libgles2-sgx-img-dev [armel], libgl-dev [!armel], libgtk2.0-dev, libxcomposite-dev, libxi-dev, libxdamag |
| 18:58.37 | RST38h | Yea, right... |
| 18:58.37 | hrw | e-dev, opengles-sgx-img-common-dev [armel] |
| 18:58.40 | hrw | edheldil: Package libgles2-dev has no installation candidate |
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| 18:58.44 | hrw | fuck! |
| 18:58.58 | pupnik | i wish i could just export INSTALL_DIR="/opt/${PACKAGENAME}" |
| 18:59.14 | RST38h | ...introduces GNU autotools as one solution to make creating portabel software an absolute hell |
| 18:59.40 | RST38h | pupnik: this does not quite work but you may try --bindir= on the configure script |
| 19:00.02 | pupnik | i don't have access to the configure script if i have to submit to autobuilder, right? |
| 19:00.17 | RST38h | you do have access |
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| 19:00.23 | pupnik | i only can work in environment variables and debian/rules |
| 19:00.27 | RST38h | it is usually in the top directory of your source package |
| 19:00.27 | pupnik | or am i mistaken? |
| 19:00.35 | hrw | pupnik: --prefix=/opt/$PACKAGENAME for ./configure |
| 19:00.39 | RST38h | and you invoke it from debian/rules where you give it options |
| 19:00.47 | tigert | woot |
| 19:00.50 | pupnik | right |
| 19:00.52 | tigert | cmd exec applet |
| 19:00.54 | xorAxAx | i want my n900, now! |
| 19:01.06 | RST38h | gives xorAxAx an n900 |
| 19:01.12 | xorAxAx | oh, cool! |
| 19:01.14 | xorAxAx | thanks! |
| 19:01.15 | pupnik | ty |
| 19:01.20 | hrw | xorAxAx: I have n900 - now I want nokia to populate repositories with all required packages to make builds possible |
| 19:02.12 | RST38h | hrw: can't you submit that required package to the autobuilder though? |
| 19:03.13 | RST38h | Any kind sould can provide me with a sample code for the simplest Maemo5 desktop widget? |
| 19:03.16 | mkargar | i want share my adsl connection(on eth0) by wlan0(wireless)!i tried more time!but,it doesn't work!my n900 detected wlan0,but,not internet on the n900!i used:http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sharing_ppp_connection_with_wlan_interface |
| 19:03.21 | RST38h | A single square button should suffice |
| 19:03.32 | RST38h | s/sould/soul |
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| 19:03.47 | mkargar | i very confused!whats my problem! |
| 19:03.52 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: the sto[pwatch widget? |
| 19:03.57 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: or the eggtimer one? |
| 19:03.58 | RST38h | you problem is that you are very confused. |
| 19:04.03 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: A URL? |
| 19:04.16 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: dunno - from the repo |
| 19:04.24 | Macer | well. innocent school girl being chased by a vined tentacle creature |
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| 19:04.36 | RST38h | Where? WHERE? |
| 19:04.38 | Macer | i could only see where this is going :) |
| 19:04.41 | GAN900 | Ugh, people keep putting their new routers on my channels. |
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| 19:04.48 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: extras-=devel; I htink |
| 19:04.49 | brambi | nice |
| 19:04.51 | Macer | putting new routers on your channels? |
| 19:04.51 | RST38h | Macer: More tentacle porn? |
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| 19:04.59 | brambi | i didn't know there were so many people here |
| 19:05.01 | Macer | RST38h: don't think so |
| 19:05.10 | type_t | mkargar try turning broadcast off |
| 19:05.11 | RST38h | Macer: pity. |
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| 19:05.22 | Macer | it isn't that kind of anime... i don't think so.. although the school girl got reduced to panties and the tentacle creature was drawing near |
| 19:05.25 | Macer | :) |
| 19:05.36 | Macer | first time i saw tentacle rape was in wicked city |
| 19:05.36 | RST38h | See? Tentacle porn. |
| 19:05.58 | Macer | naw. i doubt it. it's blue seed. don't think it goes that far |
| 19:06.03 | RST38h | has seen it at some party after 2:00am, and all others present were stoned |
| 19:06.15 | GAN900 | Macer, WiFi channels. |
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| 19:06.22 | Macer | haha... tentacle porn cracks me up |
| 19:06.31 | RST38h | couldn't quite figure out what the point of that anime genre was, but all the stoned people seemed to like it a lot |
| 19:06.35 | Macer | GAN900: well. it's not like there are a lot of channels to choose from ;) |
| 19:06.46 | Macer | RST38h: some of it is good |
| 19:06.48 | Macer | a lot isn't ;) |
| 19:07.05 | RST38h | I just don't get the point. |
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| 19:07.27 | RST38h | It is probably some really narrow genre that requires a real connosieur |
| 19:07.34 | Macer | well. a lot of it has good storylines |
| 19:07.40 | Macer | you should watch noein. that one was pretty good |
| 19:07.46 | RST38h | watched noein |
| 19:07.57 | GAN900 | Macer, there actually are here |
| 19:08.01 | Macer | people watch it for the same reason they play final fantasy :) |
| 19:08.12 | RST38h | Kinda ragged storyline, although I can understand what geeks find there |
| 19:08.14 | GAN900 | Macer, they just keep picking ones that collide with my network. |
| 19:08.15 | Macer | GAN900: i thought routers were limited to like 16 channels or something like that |
| 19:08.24 | RST38h | Macer: To kill time? =) |
| 19:08.27 | Macer | RST38h: i like the fight scenes in noein ;) |
| 19:08.32 | Macer | RST38h: for the story line |
| 19:08.40 | RST38h | mostly skipped those |
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| 19:08.48 | Macer | uh oh. the tentacles are on her. let's see if it turns into a bunch of penii |
| 19:09.00 | mkargar | type_t:how to? |
| 19:09.06 | RST38h | Aside from that, the usual Japanese stuff: characters start dying off early and do it in the most painful way possible |
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| 19:09.18 | RST38h | ehlo konttori |
| 19:09.28 | konttori | ehlo to you too! |
| 19:09.43 | mkargar | type_t:ok! |
| 19:09.53 | RST38h | konttori: Well, I have found a way to switch physical keyboard languages |
| 19:09.54 | pupnik | screw this, it always goes to the wrong place |
| 19:09.54 | mkargar | type_t:i find it |
| 19:10.02 | jebba | Mirroring mini-HOWTO: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Mirror |
| 19:10.09 | konttori | RST38h: really? |
| 19:10.20 | RST38h | konttori: There is a single gconf key |
| 19:10.24 | pupnik | doesn't bend this way |
| 19:10.30 | Macer | guess not |
| 19:10.35 | konttori | really? |
| 19:10.38 | woglinde | hi pupnik |
| 19:10.41 | RST38h | konttori: physical keyboard layout. You change it from "us" to "ru" and suddenly get cyrillic keyboard |
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| 19:10.56 | RST38h | konttori: with messed up arrow keys of course, but that is a different problem for a different bug report |
| 19:11.15 | pupnik | hi woglinde |
| 19:11.52 | RST38h | konttori: Now, I am looking into writing an applet that will let you switch. My question (asked in that bugzilla ticket) still stays though: why is it not done by the firmware? :( |
| 19:12.15 | lardman | mmm, that roast yak was so nice with black bread and rancid butter |
| 19:12.20 | konttori | ui design afaik |
| 19:12.44 | konttori | (user interaction -felt it was not good idea - my guess) |
| 19:12.55 | RST38h | konttori: you should show that ui designer to any number of russians, greeks, etc you have in your office |
| 19:13.09 | RST38h | konttori: don't forget to hand out pitchforks. |
| 19:13.38 | konttori | this is so cool: http://foolab.org/node/7880 |
| 19:13.55 | konttori | for russian kb it should work like that out of the box |
| 19:14.09 | konttori | but not for any other lnguages |
| 19:14.22 | pupnik | hey maemo.org seems faster |
| 19:14.28 | mkargar | type_t:doesn't work! |
| 19:14.32 | hrw | -> off now |
| 19:14.52 | RST38h | konttori: oh, the problem is that if you have got a non-ru physical keyboard, it does not work |
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| 19:15.14 | RST38h | konttori: and that is a hard bug, as it prevents bilingual people from using physical keyboard |
| 19:16.18 | RST38h | konttori: this includes russians, greeks, georgians, armenians, big part of chinese and japanese |
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| 19:17.36 | konttori | yeah. I know. And yes, it's probably trivial to fix. I'll have a think about that on tuesday (when I get back to work) |
| 19:17.49 | RST38h | thanks! please, make them reconsider |
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| 19:20.20 | woglinde_ | lumdidum |
| 19:21.17 | GAN900 | bug #7566 |
| 19:21.18 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7566 Browser toolbar steals text focus in fullscreen mode |
| 19:21.47 | GAN900 | Can anybody tell me the name of the last option based on comment #2 there? |
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| 19:23.37 | lcuk | GAN900, if you dont know the name, yet you comment after saying it fixes it, isnt that a paradox |
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| 19:25.18 | mkargar | type_t:how to disble broadcast? |
| 19:25.50 | lcuk | mkargar, does internet connection sharing work with your other computers |
| 19:25.53 | mkargar | type_t:are you mean wlan broadcast? |
| 19:26.11 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: I don't think it's there |
| 19:26.15 | type_t | sudo ifconfig eth0 blah blah broadcast off |
| 19:26.19 | lcuk | cos to do this you shouldnt need much messing on the tablet itself |
| 19:26.19 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: |I thiunjk it's a about:config |
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| 19:26.54 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, if timeless says its a preference, its probably there ;) |
| 19:27.09 | lcuk | it might not be on your however |
| 19:27.15 | lcuk | on yours ^ |
| 19:27.39 | TomaszD | any ogg-support authors around? |
| 19:27.50 | SpeedEvil | I could also be going insane |
| 19:27.50 | TomaszD | Tuomas Kulve, Join Valtanen? |
| 19:27.56 | TomaszD | *Joni |
| 19:28.06 | SpeedEvil | but I went through all browser options and saw nothing |
| 19:28.17 | Macer | goddamn |
| 19:28.20 | Macer | http://www.otakon.com/images/guests/monica_rial.jpg |
| 19:28.27 | Macer | she is one of the common voice actors for anime |
| 19:28.29 | Macer | she's hot |
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| 19:29.13 | lcuk | and? cameron diaz plays a troll in shrek |
| 19:29.44 | lcuk | actually that proves your point, thats it |
| 19:29.49 | lcuk | becomes a voice actor |
| 19:29.58 | mkargar | type_t:please,it is my ifconfig wlan0:http://pastebin.com/mb4225a |
| 19:30.11 | lardman | worries that lcuk wants people to think he's a hot female..... |
| 19:30.48 | lcuk | thats a point, lardman i need to borrow your dress |
| 19:30.55 | mkargar | lcuk:i tested sharing method only on n900!no on the other camputer! |
| 19:30.56 | lardman | want the wig too? |
| 19:31.09 | lcuk | yeah gfi |
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| 19:31.25 | type_t | # http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch13_:_Linux_Wireless_Networking |
| 19:31.26 | lcuk | mkargar, i use internet connection sharing with windows as the middle machine |
| 19:31.27 | mkargar | lcuk:i have only one wireless card! |
| 19:31.33 | lardman | hand bag? Not pleasant having to stuff fifty pound notes into your armpit, take it from me |
| 19:31.34 | lcuk | all my other computers connect without modification |
| 19:31.37 | RevdKathy | I can lend you some underwear, lcuk |
| 19:31.41 | kulve | TomaszD: yup (for a second still..) |
| 19:32.24 | frals | commandoo is the only way to go in a dress RevdKathy ;) |
| 19:32.29 | lardman | RevdKathy: I must admit I used to wear shorts when possible to carry around keys, phone, wallet, etc. No idea how girls manage |
| 19:32.33 | TomaszD | kulve, hi, I'm figuring out how to add detection of different mimetypes for media player in file manager |
| 19:32.36 | lcuk | RevdKathy, ok but not the peephole stuff you wore in barcelona o_O |
| 19:32.48 | TomaszD | kulve, I see that the xml file is necessary, is its name important? |
| 19:32.56 | lardman | frals: is nippy even with shorts on, I don't think commando is the way forward ;) |
| 19:33.06 | lcuk | mkargar, does your internet also require wireless card |
| 19:33.07 | kulve | TomaszD: the name specifies the order they are read |
| 19:33.08 | lcuk | or is that wired |
| 19:33.15 | RevdKathy | lcuk, the stuff I wore in Barcelona is uncomfortble for daily wear - made for taking off |
| 19:33.20 | frals | on the other hand i think we all prefer if lcuk wear panties rather than going nekkid |
| 19:33.26 | lardman | this is true |
| 19:33.28 | TomaszD | kulve, ok, so 01_somethingsomething should be fine then |
| 19:33.36 | mkargar | lcuk:whats your refrence for config sharing on win? |
| 19:33.36 | Macer | lcuk: haha |
| 19:33.39 | lcuk | *facepalm* |
| 19:33.42 | RevdKathy | frals - commando not in the UK in December. Not even for you. |
| 19:33.45 | woglinde | peephole? |
| 19:33.48 | Macer | yeah. voice actresses are hot |
| 19:33.56 | lcuk | woglinde, just let it go |
| 19:33.59 | lcuk | dont search |
| 19:34.01 | kulve | TomaszD: then it's read quite early and any later file will overwrite it |
| 19:34.03 | mkargar | lcuk:but,on the win is easily than Linux! |
| 19:34.03 | woglinde | lcuk you said it |
| 19:34.03 | Macer | wonder what the ghost in the shell girl looks like :) |
| 19:34.07 | kulve | if there are same mimetypes |
| 19:34.08 | lardman | one good thing, is that waterfilled balloon breasts say nice and warm |
| 19:34.13 | frals | goes back to bashing head against the mms/wsp specs |
| 19:34.16 | lardman | s/say/stay |
| 19:34.22 | GAN900 | lcuk, I'm using timeless's stringset. :) |
| 19:34.25 | mkargar | type_t:please,it is my ifconfig wlan0:http://pastebin.com/mb4225a |
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| 19:34.30 | TomaszD | kulve, not an issue, I'll test it out |
| 19:34.36 | RevdKathy | Noe I'm confused by two conversations - is the wire/wireless conversation about internet access or lingerie? |
| 19:34.46 | microlith | man, my access point really, really hates the N900's wifi powersave modes |
| 19:34.50 | kulve | TomaszD: ok. bbl |
| 19:34.56 | lardman | RevdKathy: whalebones surely? |
| 19:35.01 | lcuk | GAN900, "auto focus address field" sounds right? |
| 19:35.06 | RevdKathy | Underwires... and stringsets |
| 19:35.30 | lcuk | wireless or underwired internet connection |
| 19:36.22 | GAN900 | lcuk, I'll buy it. |
| 19:36.23 | RevdKathy | exactly, lcuk. And does you wire come out in the washing machine |
| 19:37.04 | lcuk | RevdKathy, no matter how much you wash the internet it wont come clean |
| 19:37.10 | Mozillion | maemo.org becomes slower with the day.. |
| 19:37.26 | RevdKathy | now ain't that the truth, lcuk. Especially not with tentacle porn |
| 19:37.28 | lardman | RevdKathy: and lcuk washes the internet inside a pillow case |
| 19:37.33 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: unless you use a chinese laundry.; |
| 19:37.37 | mkargar | type_t:i have onboard wireless card on laptop! |
| 19:37.52 | mkargar | type_t:do you want help me? |
| 19:38.14 | lcuk | mkargar, im listening |
| 19:38.16 | lardman | mkargar: perhaps he's not here? |
| 19:38.24 | lcuk | how do you get internet on your laptop |
| 19:38.31 | lcuk | through a usb modem? or from wifi router |
| 19:41.23 | RevdKathy | lcuk, did you see the second version of sheep is in devel? |
| 19:41.31 | lcuk | i saw it was announced |
| 19:41.34 | mkargar | lcuk:i connected to internet by ADSl connection(my modem is TP link) by ehernet card(eth0)!i want share it by wireless card(wlan0)! |
| 19:41.35 | lcuk | ive not looked yet tho |
| 19:42.06 | lcuk | ok, on your tablet, have you tried just making an adhoc connection |
| 19:42.17 | mkargar | type_t:tp link is modem ian router! |
| 19:42.37 | mkargar | type_t:tp link is modem and router! |
| 19:42.57 | type_t | ok you have win laptop? |
| 19:43.10 | type_t | # http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=31 |
| 19:43.30 | mkargar | type_t:no no!i have only Arch Linux on laptop! |
| 19:44.52 | mkargar | type_t:i tried ad-hoc!but,n900 detected my wlan0,but,not internet on the n900! |
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| 19:46.19 | type_t | http://bbs.archlinux.org |
| 19:48.22 | SplasPood | hrm... I installed browser switchboard and somehow managed to break the default browser |
| 19:48.47 | angasule | I'm having trouble with ad hoc as well, it seems to connect, but I can't even ping |
| 19:49.24 | mkargar | angasule:ok!!i have same problem! |
| 19:49.46 | angasule | I have an N810, though |
| 19:49.55 | mkargar | type_t:i have same problem! |
| 19:50.15 | Macer | http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/4/1018-wendeelee_large.jpg |
| 19:50.21 | Macer | faye valentine from crowboy bebop :) |
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| 19:51.47 | lardman | mkargar: you need to sort out your routeing (spelling) between the adaptors |
| 19:51.56 | SplasPood | /usr/bin/browser seems to sit there for a bit (when run by terminal) then just exit |
| 19:52.17 | emma | unquery |
| 19:52.48 | mkargar | lardman:how to? |
| 19:53.05 | SplasPood | Hrm, is there some way to pull an image off the N900 for possible restoration at a later date? |
| 19:53.31 | SpeedEvil | SplasPood: dd |
| 19:53.35 | lardman | mkargar: see the link above that type_t gave you, ask in there as it's a forum supporting your distro |
| 19:53.44 | lardman | while this is not |
| 19:53.49 | SplasPood | SpeedEvil: I suppose that'd do it.. |
| 19:53.56 | lcuk | #archlinux has 700 people ;) |
| 19:54.13 | lardman | mkargar: ^ another option |
| 19:54.58 | mkargar | lardman:ok! |
| 19:56.04 | SplasPood | SpeedEvil: hrm, interestingly (or not) my linux box sees no partition table on the internal flash |
| 19:56.49 | SplasPood | SpeedEvil: I presuming taking an image of it while the phone itself is still accessing it isn't the way to go? |
| 19:57.04 | SpeedEvil | SplasPood: I think the 'flasher' tool can also get an image |
| 19:57.08 | lardman | you can't see the internal flash from a desktop computer |
| 19:57.20 | SplasPood | SpeedEvil: ok, I'll look into that |
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| 19:57.37 | ali1234 | just use netcat on the raw devices |
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| 19:57.45 | SplasPood | lardman: well it at least exports the block device... I end up with my sdcard and a 30GB device that I cannot see anything within |
| 19:57.59 | lardman | that's the internal SD card |
| 19:58.04 | lardman | is it not? |
| 19:58.12 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:58.14 | lardman | or is that a single partition of the internal flash? |
| 19:58.21 | lardman | I can't remember |
| 19:58.22 | lardman | :) |
| 19:58.34 | SplasPood | I'm pretty sure the 30GB is the flash, and my 4GB SD is the other one.... |
| 19:58.42 | SpeedEvil | It exposes the first partition of the interna,ll mmc as a device when you plug it in |
| 19:59.11 | lardman | the rootfs is on NAND which doesn't ever get mounted for the PC to see |
| 19:59.32 | lardman | SplasPood: try SpeedEvil's suggestion with the flasher, sounds reasonable |
| 19:59.44 | lardman | never having looked at that option |
| 20:00.37 | davyg | is there an instant messagerie supporting video for the n900 ? |
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| 20:01.56 | SplasPood | lardman: lookin into that now |
| 20:01.57 | lardman | davyg: Iirc the Jabber service/Google talk allows video messenging between Nokia devices |
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| 20:02.14 | shinkamui | damn I slept in |
| 20:02.19 | shinkamui | and them saints SUCK |
| 20:02.27 | Stskeeps | this isn't twitter |
| 20:02.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:03.11 | w00t | it's not? what have I been wasting my life on |
| 20:03.39 | lardman | what's twitter? |
| 20:03.45 | lardman | ;) |
| 20:04.37 | w00t | overvalued |
| 20:04.38 | w00t | that's what |
| 20:05.00 | zash | IRCin on 255.255.255.255 ? |
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| 20:06.57 | lardman | Is there the same sort of friend gathering that goes on on Facebook? |
| 20:07.08 | SpeedEvil | zash: it's cruise control for cool! |
| 20:07.19 | SpeedEvil | Binary capslock. |
| 20:07.22 | RST38h | decides against working tonight |
| 20:07.37 | w00t | lardman: nah, it's too full of spammers^Wsocial media experts |
| 20:07.56 | lardman | I've posted a whole 2 tweets I think, yet I keep getting "someone's following you" messages from people who have also posted once, and are following x-hundred people |
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| 20:08.03 | w00t | ^ |
| 20:08.18 | lcuk | lardman, spam! |
| 20:08.22 | RevdKathy | lardman - do you get followed by Britney with those 'ahem' images? |
| 20:08.26 | lcuk | post for real and those stop |
| 20:08.38 | lcuk | RevdKathy, your spam has multiple images |
| 20:08.44 | w00t | RevdKathy *is* spam |
| 20:08.47 | w00t | :-) |
| 20:08.52 | lcuk | by the time i find those mails the users have been removed |
| 20:08.57 | lardman | my real posts would be dull "curing MATLAB", "cursing MATLAB", ..... |
| 20:09.02 | lcuk | w00t omg you are right |
| 20:09.05 | RevdKathy | w00t... Awwww *sniff* Gonna cry now |
| 20:09.09 | SpeedEvil | frals: is sdk repo loading for you? |
| 20:09.18 | davyg | lardman, thanks i will try that |
| 20:09.34 | frals | dunno dont have the sdk running atm, give me a min and ill check |
| 20:10.01 | lcuk | lardman, would be better having matlab itself tweeting |
| 20:10.26 | lardman | lcuk: it can barely talk to me the loops are so tight and super efficient :p |
| 20:10.32 | lardman | hmm |
| 20:10.45 | lcuk | "solved fermets last theorem, but wont show that wine drinking transvestite cos he keeps swearing at me" |
| 20:11.09 | lardman | lol |
| 20:11.17 | lardman | and it's a two-liner too |
| 20:11.20 | RevdKathy | LOL lcuk. I dare you to tweet that |
| 20:11.52 | frals | SpeedEvil: yeah, but its reaaaaaaaaally slow |
| 20:12.21 | konttori | just wrote a quick wiki page about the calc example he blogged about last time: http://wiki.maemo.org/QML-EnhancedCalcExample |
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| 20:12.34 | konttori | Any ideas on how to upload a zip file to a maemo.org wiki page? |
| 20:13.04 | SplasPood | lardman: doesn't look like flasher-3.5 has any such option, gonna keep googling |
| 20:13.31 | lcuk | RevdKathy, dare accepted |
| 20:13.41 | RevdKathy | :D |
| 20:13.43 | angasule | so, hmm, I configured my laptop and n810 as ad hoc, the n810 says the connection was successful, but I can't ping, routing is fine, tcpdump -i <correct interface> on my laptop shows it's sending messages ok, and ifconfig reports no errors |
| 20:13.46 | lardman | konttori: very pretty, but will it do symbolic integration? |
| 20:13.55 | angasule | on the n810 side, ifconfig reports TX errors |
| 20:14.01 | SpeedEvil | frals: won't load at all for me - I guess just try tomoorrow |
| 20:14.16 | RevdKathy | Love it! |
| 20:14.28 | lcuk | konttori, \o hey, upload zip to garage or other repository and link from there? i didnt know the wiki was a file host |
| 20:14.30 | RevdKathy | Needs a hashtag so lots of people see it |
| 20:14.34 | konttori | the calculator is really simple. No, it won't do. But you can surely improve it to do |
| 20:14.43 | lardman | urgh |
| 20:14.44 | lardman | ;) |
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| 20:15.05 | lardman | Well if anyone's bored, Qalculate! needs some hildonisation |
| 20:15.25 | lardman | konttori: your demo does look cool though :) |
| 20:15.29 | konttori | lcuk: garage is not nice, as I would have to upload that as part of some project. |
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| 20:15.44 | RST38h | lardman: Have a friend working at NASA |
| 20:15.45 | konttori | and I don't have any other good places that store permanently files |
| 20:15.47 | lcuk | konttori, gitorious |
| 20:15.56 | konttori | lardman: thanks |
| 20:15.57 | lcuk | if its source stuff? |
| 20:16.07 | woglinde | angasule ad-hoc suckz at transfering big files |
| 20:16.12 | konttori | lcuk: I don't want to make a new project for snipplet of a code. |
| 20:16.17 | lardman | RST38h: go on |
| 20:16.38 | RST38h | lardman: She said there was some guy running around the office and bugging people with the idea to use Matlab for real time space vehicle control |
| 20:16.38 | konttori | I mean, that code is only quick hack. My first hello world to qml. |
| 20:16.55 | lcuk | konttori, you have your on server? |
| 20:16.59 | konttori | And I just wanted people to see how nice and clean qml is. |
| 20:17.03 | lcuk | you oculd make pages with it |
| 20:17.07 | lardman | RST38h: good Lord! |
| 20:17.07 | konttori | lcuk: no I don't |
| 20:17.13 | lcuk | or properly add it as a project seed |
| 20:17.16 | angasule | woglinde: umh, ok, no networking sucks at transfering small files. |
| 20:17.17 | RST38h | lardman: With people actually running from him as if he were sick with bubonic plague |
| 20:17.20 | lcuk | cos then it can be built on |
| 20:17.21 | lardman | RST38h: Well he trusts Java's garbage collection more than I do ;) |
| 20:17.21 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm reminded of a failure I heard of. |
| 20:17.30 | konttori | lcuk: and even if I did, I would not feel that's a permanent storage |
| 20:17.42 | RST38h | lardman: Oh, wait, you are running it with kava? |
| 20:17.44 | RST38h | java |
| 20:17.50 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Which was doing complex maglev of high speed rotating objects in real-time using matlab |
| 20:17.50 | lcuk | then make a garage project and the app support for it |
| 20:17.52 | lardman | RST38h: that's how it runs by default |
| 20:17.55 | lcuk | dog food and everything |
| 20:17.58 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: and failing dismally. |
| 20:18.05 | RST38h | lardman: There is a command line option. -nojava or something |
| 20:18.06 | konttori | crap. Ok, I'll make a garage project. Sigh. |
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| 20:18.30 | lcuk | lol konttori there really isnt any way round that one |
| 20:18.30 | RST38h | lardman: it kills the java dead and brings back the old, reasonable, console interface |
| 20:18.34 | angasule | I miss my networking :( |
| 20:18.43 | lcuk | its easier on gitoriour afaik |
| 20:18.46 | lcuk | s |
| 20:18.47 | lardman | RST38h: I think that just gets rid of the UI though, the backend is probably still Java - all sorts of Java exceptions thrown out to the command prompt when you manage to crash/run out of memory, etc |
| 20:18.52 | konttori | lcuk: there is: Make maemo.org wiki allow zip uploads! |
| 20:19.03 | konttori | that way the wiki and the source are always in sync. |
| 20:19.07 | RST38h | lardman: never gave me a java exception in all three years of using it |
| 20:19.08 | lcuk | then it needs to support history of zips |
| 20:19.11 | lcuk | and changes |
| 20:19.16 | RST38h | lardman: backend is all c/c++ anyway |
| 20:19.20 | lardman | RST38h: you didn't try hard enough then ;) |
| 20:19.20 | lcuk | and extra new new servers ontop to maintain it |
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| 20:19.36 | RST38h | lardman: or matlab changed. |
| 20:19.55 | lardman | it can quite happily run interpreted Java code these days |
| 20:19.59 | RST38h | lardman: but I would still try finding and using that command line option. It helped me A LOT |
| 20:20.02 | lardman | which is not necessarily a good thing |
| 20:20.33 | RST38h | ran it on Ultra2 which folded when starting Java UI |
| 20:20.36 | lcuk | konttori, i agree with issues of wiki/source breakup, the wiki could come from the source repo itself if done with garage |
| 20:20.38 | lcuk | ;) |
| 20:20.49 | lardman | RST38h: how long ago? |
| 20:20.53 | RST38h | lardman: 2004 |
| 20:20.55 | lcuk | at least thats how app websites work |
| 20:21.33 | lardman | RST38h: who knows |
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| 20:21.58 | PBeck | hi |
| 20:22.00 | RST38h | ok, going to watch a movie and hit the bed |
| 20:22.23 | woglinde | nite rst |
| 20:22.28 | PBeck | my n900 would't reboot - i think the rootfs is full - have i a few options to do except of flashing? |
| 20:22.35 | PBeck | *boot |
| 20:22.44 | RST38h | It is Steve Jobs! Kill! Kill him quick! The big finger on his left hand is said to bring luck! |
| 20:22.50 | PBeck | i have tested the trick with the R&d mode but that not help |
| 20:22.53 | konttori | Nice, my snes video demographics showed 21% female viewers. For that QML demo video: 0% female viewers ;) |
| 20:23.21 | RST38h | konttori: more importantly, it shows 1 or more Nintendo lawyers |
| 20:23.30 | RST38h | showed, sorry |
| 20:23.35 | PBeck | what will be erased when i flash the normal image? |
| 20:23.35 | angasule | hmm, iwlist eth1 peers gives no peers |
| 20:23.46 | PBeck | or what is saved in the emmc? |
| 20:23.51 | konttori | Lol! |
| 20:24.17 | RST38h | or maybe some really pissed off executive, who knows... |
| 20:24.57 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 20:25.05 | lardman | night night RST38h |
| 20:26.58 | lardman | heads to watch TV |
| 20:27.16 | adalal | is there a plugin on the n900 contacts and conversation to add facebook? |
| 20:27.26 | adalal | as in a facebook chat |
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| 20:28.03 | woglinde | angasule did you use the gui to setup ad-hoc mode on n900? |
| 20:28.17 | angasule | woglinde: n810, and yes |
| 20:28.18 | lcuk | http://othernews.uk.myway.com/article//20100103/B29648211262539238A0.html :) not the only one |
| 20:28.34 | woglinde | angasule whats the hostpc saying? |
| 20:28.54 | angasule | woglinde: could you be more specific? |
| 20:28.58 | woglinde | did he get an IBSS mac? |
| 20:29.13 | woglinde | angasule try to disconnect and connect again |
| 20:29.25 | woglinde | sometimes It works than |
| 20:29.35 | woglinde | on n810 |
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| 20:32.23 | angasule | should iwlist eth1 peers show my n810? I'm not sure what that command does, really |
| 20:34.30 | konttori | does anybody know how to send a dbus message in qt script? |
| 20:35.28 | woglinde | kontori consult qtdocs? |
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| 20:35.57 | woglinde | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qdbusconnection.html |
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| 20:38.06 | LuciusMare | hi |
| 20:38.20 | woglinde | re LuciusMare |
| 20:38.35 | TomaszD | Decoders Support 0.2 is now in the queue |
| 20:38.36 | TomaszD | :) |
| 20:38.37 | LuciusMare | can microb delete the personal data (such as history,cache) ? |
| 20:38.49 | woglinde | TomaszD hm what I gain with this? |
| 20:39.04 | TomaszD | woglinde, do you know what the initial package does? |
| 20:39.11 | woglinde | no |
| 20:39.16 | SpeedEvil | Luc: yes - options when browser is open |
| 20:39.33 | TomaszD | then read the description, 0.1 is in Extras |
| 20:39.50 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 20:41.55 | pH5 | TomaszD: what's new in 0.2? |
| 20:42.58 | TomaszD | pH5, I spent a few hours to make a RealMedia GStreamer package, so that's a new thing. And also support for easy playback from the File Manager (no need to choose the Media Player manually) |
| 20:43.18 | TomaszD | oh, and now it depends on ogg-support for a complete set of decoders. |
| 20:43.33 | tigert | cool |
| 20:43.41 | woglinde | slow slow maemo.org |
| 20:43.49 | pupnik | can gpodder play video podcasts now? |
| 20:43.51 | frals | god maemo.org is slow :< |
| 20:43.55 | frals | give me pypackager already! |
| 20:44.18 | TomaszD | pupnik, it definitely did since I remember, try the TED podcast |
| 20:44.26 | tigert | konttori: http://www.dafont.com/monofur.font |
| 20:44.36 | tigert | looks kinda classy on maemo screens |
| 20:44.37 | pH5 | TomaszD: thanks |
| 20:44.42 | konttori | nice font |
| 20:44.47 | tigert | it is |
| 20:44.54 | tigert | took a bit to get used to |
| 20:44.58 | tigert | but its sweet |
| 20:45.16 | tigert | dump the ttfs /home/user/.fonts and reboot |
| 20:45.29 | tigert | s/ttfs/ttfs to/ |
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| 20:49.44 | pupnik | ted video works TomaszD ty. now i can look into these other feeds |
| 20:49.54 | TomaszD | :) |
| 20:51.02 | pupnik | pupnik.de/tome_ncurses_maemo.deb if you like that stuff. needs some terminal config work and removal of a 'feature' |
| 20:51.34 | pupnik | but it is optified |
| 20:52.03 | lcuk | what happens if you optify a folder with some contents already optified |
| 20:52.08 | lcuk | does the universe implode? |
| 20:52.58 | frals | anyone happen to have pypackagers .debfile? im going crazy waiting for maemo.org |
| 20:53.01 | pupnik | it means i still cant package |
| 20:53.16 | lcuk | pupnik, i dont mean you specifically |
| 20:53.32 | lcuk | but in general, does the /optifier know whether parent folders have already been optified |
| 20:53.41 | lcuk | and will it just create symlinks regardless |
| 20:58.03 | SpeedEvil | can fbreader load http urls? |
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| 21:02.51 | konttori | tigert: I'll create a theme with that font to see how it works as the UI font |
| 21:04.14 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: ah, another good reason for it being difficult to mirror: nokia-binaries is hosted on repository.maemo.org as well as timed SDK releases (hidden until launch) |
| 21:04.39 | Stskeeps | which would be a major headache to mirror pool/maemo5.0 and so on |
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| 21:12.57 | pupnik | gpodder does not offer me to download the previous (not new) ted videos so that i can resume |
| 21:13.13 | shinkamui | hi pupnik |
| 21:13.29 | shinkamui | I succeeded in building a software rendering blender |
| 21:13.30 | shinkamui | :) |
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| 21:13.45 | pupnik | congrats! |
| 21:13.54 | shinkamui | its a little slow though |
| 21:14.06 | shinkamui | and I spoke with the author of blenderpocket |
| 21:14.10 | ali1234 | how easy is it to use with only one mouse button? |
| 21:14.12 | pupnik | is there a decent wireframe mode? |
| 21:14.21 | shinkamui | he said he wrote an opengl to gles warpper for the pocketpc |
| 21:14.41 | shinkamui | even though its still software driven, opengles removes the stress of floating point operations on the cpu |
| 21:14.45 | pupnik | there is also one on gp32x.com |
| 21:14.55 | shinkamui | I think I saw that one pupnik |
| 21:15.01 | shinkamui | I can't make any sense of it |
| 21:15.05 | shinkamui | the googlecode one |
| 21:15.11 | shinkamui | wes-gl iirc |
| 21:15.12 | pupnik | yeah same |
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| 21:15.23 | shinkamui | I don't really know how to use it |
| 21:15.29 | pupnik | you have built with fast cflags i guess |
| 21:15.47 | user__ | hi |
| 21:15.49 | pupnik | at least march, neon, fastmath |
| 21:16.04 | shinkamui | I can try that |
| 21:16.07 | pupnik | hi |
| 21:16.07 | shinkamui | can't uhurt :) |
| 21:16.17 | shinkamui | otherwise, I got my hands on the blenderpocket wrapper |
| 21:16.27 | shinkamui | and I think that will take me some days to implement |
| 21:16.37 | shinkamui | a lot of crap is hardcoded and wince specific |
| 21:16.37 | pupnik | sweet |
| 21:16.41 | ali1234 | pupnik: about SDL audio, yesterday i built a bunch of emulators for my brand new AMD quad core. the ones that used SDL for audio would use 200% CPU ie two full cores, one for the emulator and one for pulseaudio. so i come to the conclusion SDL + pulse is really badly broken |
| 21:17.00 | woglinde_ | ali uahaha |
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| 21:17.26 | ali1234 | when using alsa or pulse direct it would be 100% for the emulator and <1% for the sound |
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| 21:17.53 | pupnik | that symptom is certainly not present with sdl+pulse on fremantle/rx51 |
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| 21:18.45 | pupnik | sdl works fine with pulse on n900- they patched for that |
| 21:18.46 | ali1234 | it is for me, for everything i have compiled that uses SDL sound |
| 21:19.02 | ali1234 | it uses 25% to 50% CPU on pulseaudio |
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| 21:20.19 | pupnik | all sdl+pulse apps in extras result in pulse using 12-18 percent |
| 21:20.30 | pupnik | try em |
| 21:20.59 | ali1234 | which ones? |
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| 21:21.24 | pupnik | toppler duke3d dosbox |
| 21:21.34 | pupnik | etc |
| 21:22.37 | pupnik | psx4all too |
| 21:23.41 | ali1234 | psx4all makes pulse use at least 25% CPU for me |
| 21:23.58 | ali1234 | is suspect it would use more if it was available |
| 21:24.08 | ali1234 | the sound stutters horribly as it is |
| 21:25.12 | pupnik | anyway im sorry didnt get it going straight to hardwre yet |
| 21:26.03 | ali1234 | 15% with duke-3d |
| 21:26.11 | ali1234 | and why does duke constantly run forwards?? |
| 21:26.29 | pupnik | bug. disable accel in config |
| 21:28.20 | ali1234 | how do i quit? argh |
| 21:28.24 | ali1234 | i hate programs like this |
| 21:28.41 | pupnik | it told you on intro screen |
| 21:28.48 | ali1234 | lol |
| 21:28.51 | ali1234 | well, i killed it |
| 21:28.52 | pupnik | ctrl backsp |
| 21:29.02 | ali1234 | huh, it didn't work then, cos i tried that |
| 21:29.02 | pupnik | iirc |
| 21:29.43 | ali1234 | i have a feeling that pulse CPU usage increases with CPU load from other apps |
| 21:29.51 | pupnik | sorry shift backspace |
| 21:30.18 | ali1234 | i notice duke 3d only uses about 20% itself |
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| 21:30.47 | pupnik | yeah its not meant to be a pandora |
| 21:30.57 | pupnik | so fine |
| 21:31.03 | pupnik | it wont be one |
| 21:31.44 | shinkamui | pupnik |
| 21:31.53 | shinkamui | what where those C flags again? |
| 21:32.23 | shinkamui | should I put them with the release flags -02 |
| 21:32.27 | pupnik | dunno offhand |
| 21:33.01 | pupnik | you are probably 1/2 speed atm :) |
| 21:33.21 | konttori | ali1234: try pluggin gin the headphones. puls should drop down |
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| 21:33.34 | Creteil | hi all |
| 21:33.39 | ali1234 | i'll give it a go i suppose |
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| 21:34.40 | Creteil | is there a way to autorun applications at startup, for example I want phone, calendar and contacts started when my N900 start ... |
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| 21:38.18 | Creteil | allo ? |
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| 21:38.29 | Creteil | someone up, I'm lagged ? |
| 21:38.50 | cehteh | :P |
| 21:39.04 | ali1234 | konttori: seems to drop pulse usage from 20% to 10% |
| 21:39.04 | cehteh | there is a calendar desktop widget |
| 21:39.24 | ali1234 | oh no, it's gone back up now |
| 21:39.31 | cehteh | if you really want to start apps you have to figure out if there is a .xsession or so .. |
| 21:39.54 | konttori | ali1234: well, pulseaudio should not be doing much when you have headphones plugged in |
| 21:40.16 | papo | hm |
| 21:40.30 | papo | "In addition to the data you'll get, the best is not to collect data on the phone where the application is installed at each charging, so the estimation will remain the closest of the reality ?" <- does anyone understand what this means? |
| 21:40.34 | ali1234 | when you use SDL audio, it pretends to be an alsa device, so it's doing that |
| 21:41.08 | frals | hmm, wonder what the 300kb MMS size limit is all about in my n95.. just sent myself a 1mb picture from the n900 by mistake :D |
| 21:41.35 | SpeedEvil | papo: what app |
| 21:42.03 | papo | SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=451640 that's the context |
| 21:42.30 | RevdKathy | Goodnight, all :) |
| 21:42.53 | woglinde_ | bite kathy |
| 21:42.57 | woglinde_ | ups nite |
| 21:43.24 | Creteil | cehteh, it look like there is some things to tune in '/etc/event.d' to acheive what I want ... |
| 21:43.40 | SpeedEvil | I thinkhe's trying to say that your app may use some power. |
| 21:43.46 | cehteh | i rather wonder why you want that? |
| 21:44.20 | papo | SpeedEvil: Hm yes |
| 21:44.35 | Creteil | cehteh, why not ? |
| 21:45.06 | pupnik | |
| 21:45.13 | pupnik | |
| 21:45.25 | cehteh | running apps need more power, starting apps is quick, and imo navigation to many running apps is not very good solved |
| 21:46.41 | lcuk | frals |
| 21:46.44 | lcuk | was wondering about that |
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| 21:46.55 | lcuk | its most likely a limitation atdest end |
| 21:47.08 | lcuk | most phones expect reduced size, but allow multi photos |
| 21:47.40 | frals | yeah |
| 21:48.25 | pupnik | -Wall -mfpu=neon -ffast-math -ftree-vectorize -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfloat-abi=softfp -Os -fomit-frame-pointer shinkamui - these should give good results |
| 21:48.52 | pupnik | or -O2 with that |
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| 21:49.24 | shinkamui | thanks pupnik |
| 21:49.34 | shinkamui | adding them to the scons script now |
| 21:50.06 | pupnik | eh, ignore the first |
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| 21:53.24 | shinkamui | pupnik |
| 21:53.34 | shinkamui | im rebuilding with your strings and -04 |
| 21:54.08 | pupnik | the cpu and fpu are important i think |
| 21:54.22 | shinkamui | fpu especially |
| 21:54.30 | shinkamui | bu tI did specify the cortex-a8 too |
| 21:54.36 | shinkamui | I was gonna do that im glad you mentioned it |
| 21:54.40 | pupnik | ah then there won't be a huge win |
| 21:54.51 | pupnik | k |
| 21:55.06 | shinkamui | I hope that fast-math makes a big difference |
| 21:55.19 | shinkamui | and the original build I showed the video of didn't have the cpu specified |
| 21:55.21 | cehteh | blender still? :) |
| 21:55.24 | shinkamui | it was just an 02 build |
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| 21:55.31 | shinkamui | cehteh yep |
| 21:55.36 | shinkamui | blender until I get it working |
| 21:55.41 | shinkamui | then Ill move to the next project |
| 21:55.41 | shinkamui | :) |
| 21:55.43 | shinkamui | gimp! |
| 21:55.44 | shinkamui | :) |
| 21:55.50 | cehteh | haha |
| 21:55.53 | SpeedEvil | folding@home |
| 21:56.02 | cehteh | folding@pocket |
| 21:56.16 | cehteh | better seti .. |
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| 21:56.31 | cehteh | search interterrestical intelligence near your balls :) |
| 21:57.38 | PBeck | hum i get that error when i log into the terminal -sh: /etc/bash_completion: line 49: syntax error: Bad substitution |
| 21:57.48 | PBeck | and my ssh server will not star because he cant find keys in /etc |
| 21:58.02 | PBeck | what is full? :) rootfs has 89 % |
| 21:58.12 | cehteh | 100% is full :) |
| 21:58.23 | cehteh | or /dev/full |
| 21:58.31 | PBeck | cehteh: yeah i have no idea |
| 21:58.45 | PBeck | anythink is defect |
| 21:59.03 | cehteh | possibly .. just disable bash completion |
| 21:59.13 | PBeck | cehteh: it has worked before |
| 21:59.19 | cehteh | did you copied some profile / bashrc or so over? |
| 21:59.45 | PBeck | yes, but it has worked - i think a program has damaged anythink |
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| 22:00.05 | cehteh | note that bash is 2.05b only .. |
| 22:00.35 | PBeck | cehteh: thats not the problem it has worked before without problems |
| 22:00.38 | PBeck | i think its a game |
| 22:00.44 | cehteh | if some new programms install newer completion engines which require features not present in that old bash then it will likely barf with that error |
| 22:01.05 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.12 | cehteh | .. look at that file, whats there? |
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| 22:02.55 | PBeck | UNAME=${UNAME/CYGWIN_*/Cygwin} |
| 22:03.35 | cehteh | i tinhk ${} is a newer bash feature |
| 22:03.40 | cehteh | comment that line out |
| 22:03.51 | cehteh | err |
| 22:04.04 | PBeck | -sh: /etc/bash_completion: line 53: syntax error: Bad substitution |
| 22:04.09 | cehteh | i mean tha // replacement |
| 22:04.23 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.25 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 22:04.31 | cehteh | 2.05? |
| 22:04.45 | PBeck | # <= is actual |
| 22:05.02 | cehteh | lemme try |
| 22:05.21 | PBeck | i think its a other error |
| 22:05.38 | PBeck | the system was running ok and then - that problem |
| 22:05.57 | cehteh | yesh ${//} works |
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| 22:07.08 | cehteh | is UNAME defined? |
| 22:07.16 | cehteh | well debug that by yourself ;P |
| 22:07.35 | PBeck | cehteh: sorry ;) |
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| 22:15.26 | PBeck | cehteh: i have now bash_completition in .bashrc out commented |
| 22:15.37 | cehteh | and works? |
| 22:15.40 | PBeck | cehteh: should i restart and look? :> |
| 22:16.06 | cehteh | exec bash -l |
| 22:16.49 | PBeck | that is working :) |
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| 22:17.18 | PBeck | btw - i have replaced the root shell with chsh for /bin/bash - why can't i do the same for the user? |
| 22:17.39 | cehteh | huh why not? |
| 22:17.52 | cehteh | i'Ve done that too |
| 22:18.25 | cehteh | i also build bash4 recently on the SDK, but not packaged and commented out some features i only need it for a test |
| 22:18.27 | PBeck | cehteh: the prompt say invalid shell |
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| 22:18.40 | PBeck | hum argh -.- |
| 22:18.41 | cehteh | chsh -s bash user |
| 22:18.52 | PBeck | oh it works ... ;) |
| 22:19.00 | PBeck | i have thought that it hangs ;) |
| 22:19.20 | PBeck | cehteh: one moment i test |
| 22:20.15 | cehteh | jebba: btw when you build a new kernel can you switch the io scheduler to the deadline scheduler (or noop) |
| 22:20.56 | cehteh | i wonder why nokia didnt tweaked that, its just trivial |
| 22:21.17 | PBeck | cehteh: hey thats works - the user can't change the shell? |
| 22:21.34 | PBeck | cehteh: i have to be root to change it |
| 22:21.38 | cehteh | depends on the setup chsh must be suid root |
| 22:21.53 | PBeck | ah ok thank you cehteh :) |
| 22:22.00 | PBeck | cehteh: has you coreutils running? |
| 22:22.23 | PBeck | busybox is a bit ... minimalistic ;) |
| 22:22.40 | cehteh | nope |
| 22:22.54 | cehteh | well prolly installed is just use whats there :P |
| 22:23.00 | cehteh | missing 'less' somewhat |
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| 22:24.35 | PBeck | cehteh: hehe here the same ;) I miss the colour of ls :( |
| 22:25.05 | PBeck | cehteh: and a few commands :( hum i have to look for a package |
| 22:27.36 | SpeedEvil | less is there |
| 22:27.44 | SpeedEvil | in the tools repo |
| 22:29.38 | PBeck | so ok i have to go to bed now ;) |
| 22:30.05 | PBeck | six hours musst be enough for sleep ;) |
| 22:30.15 | PBeck | bye bye thank you cehteh |
| 22:30.52 | jebba | cehteh: i built a new kernel that included the other schedulers. I think that can be changed dynamically, no? |
| 22:30.55 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: uhm i is there an extensive list of available repos? |
| 22:31.16 | jebba | cehteh: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Keymap |
| 22:31.19 | cehteh | jebba: yes, but the others dont make much sense for flash devices |
| 22:31.28 | jebba | anyway, they are all available right now |
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| 22:31.54 | cehteh | just bloat the kernel :P .. imo deadline could be compiled in and leave all others out |
| 22:33.26 | lcuk | cehteh, http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 22:33.37 | cehteh | jebba: S-Space works nice for tab |
| 22:34.33 | cehteh | ah tools is from the diablo repository |
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| 22:39.56 | SpeedEvil | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 22:40.06 | jebba | cehteh: heh, i meant to paste you http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories not the keymap one, but thanks for the good suggesoin! much better;) |
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| 22:41.00 | dimitris82z | hi all |
| 22:41.24 | dimitris82z | i am using fedora 12 X64 is there any tutorials or howto install maemo 5 SDK ? |
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| 22:41.40 | cehteh | jebba: thanks |
| 22:41.48 | dimitris82z | i got a fatal error on gui installer py |
| 22:42.18 | TTilus | whats the current status with n900 + nokia su-8w bw keyboard? |
| 22:43.08 | TTilus | this is the "best" ive seen by this far http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33397 |
| 22:43.08 | dimitris82z | i am getting this message: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 22:43.26 | cehteh | jebba: escape on shift return .. i found some keys which have no shift assignment yet .. and for emacs you need escape |
| 22:43.30 | TTilus | but it still gets me nowhere with fn-keys and "blue" keys |
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| 22:44.43 | jebba | dimitris82z: see here for docs on using 64bit fedora12 SDK: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories |
| 22:44.48 | v2px_ | damn :( i forgot my n900 lockcode |
| 22:44.50 | jebba | gah wrong paste again ;) |
| 22:44.59 | jebba | dimitris82z: see here: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK |
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| 22:45.31 | dimitris82z | jebba, thnx man i tried from Gerard Braad howto |
| 22:45.35 | jebba | cehteh: i'm trying to figure out how to get it to work in the console (e.g. for mer/fedora) |
| 22:45.42 | jebba | dunno that one |
| 22:45.47 | dimitris82z | jebba, i will try yours now :P |
| 22:45.59 | cehteh | getting what to work? |
| 22:46.13 | jebba | v2px_: search for jack the ripper on how to recover your lockcode in talk.maemo.org |
| 22:46.38 | dimitris82z | see ya later |
| 22:46.41 | jebba | cehteh: well, no - !123456789 / etc because no Fn (RALT) key in console. Hard to do anything |
| 22:47.04 | cehteh | ah |
| 22:47.23 | cehteh | framebuffer console |
| 22:47.31 | v2px_ | jebba: thanks! |
| 22:48.30 | jebba | np |
| 22:49.49 | dmj7261 | Kamui: Have you checked to see if Blender is a non-compositing window? |
| 22:50.00 | dmj7261 | I've heard that can boost performance. |
| 22:50.02 | shinkamui | hey |
| 22:50.11 | shinkamui | its not |
| 22:50.17 | shinkamui | its in a compositing window |
| 22:50.27 | cehteh | heh turn that off :) |
| 22:50.36 | shinkamui | it continues to run even when the screen is expose'd |
| 22:50.39 | cehteh | there are hints on the formum how too |
| 22:51.02 | cehteh | also opengles has some limitations which may need some porting for performance |
| 22:51.06 | dmj7261 | You should try making it non-composited, and keep it that way if it's noticeably faster |
| 22:51.16 | cehteh | using integer math instead of floats in some cases and so on |
| 22:52.11 | lcuk | key point #1 with optimization, simplify, reduce the layers. |
| 22:53.01 | N900evil | I misread that as lawyers |
| 22:53.59 | lcuk | that too |
| 22:54.57 | dmj726_n900 | but lawyers a just so efficient. |
| 22:55.34 | lcuk | true, but lawyers are best used as webservers |
| 22:55.46 | lcuk | they can serve 1000s of pages a second |
| 22:56.07 | shinkamui | pupnik no luck, even with compilier optimizations, no speed increase |
| 22:56.14 | shinkamui | lag is still around 1 second after click |
| 22:56.28 | shinkamui | definately going to need to use an opengl->opengles warpper |
| 22:56.31 | shinkamui | wrapper |
| 22:56.32 | shinkamui | :( |
| 22:56.55 | dmj726_n900 | shinkamui: once you have optimized performance, you might make some new default views |
| 22:57.11 | dmj726_n900 | aww |
| 22:57.26 | shinkamui | dmj7261 well, new views might not help yet |
| 22:57.34 | shinkamui | I got the blenderpocket wrapper code |
| 22:57.47 | shinkamui | the author told me he did that because of the opengl floating point issue |
| 22:57.51 | pupnik | shinkamui: blender needs mesa to draw wireframes too? |
| 22:57.59 | shinkamui | opengles apparently uses fixed point math transparently |
| 22:58.00 | dmj726_n900 | no, but they might make things easier , less cluttered |
| 22:58.06 | cehteh | isnt that what i just saied :) |
| 22:58.24 | shinkamui | pupnik, that I don't know, but I wish mesa had a fixed point build option :) |
| 22:58.39 | pupnik | using mesa for anything is fail |
| 22:58.45 | pupnik | anything |
| 22:59.09 | pupnik | its not meant for that |
| 22:59.24 | lcuk | is the whole ui done in gl? |
| 22:59.30 | shinkamui | yep |
| 22:59.41 | lcuk | ok, can you reduce the density of polygons |
| 22:59.47 | lcuk | or is it already minimal |
| 22:59.50 | shinkamui | yep |
| 22:59.55 | cehteh | nah .. |
| 22:59.59 | shinkamui | there is nothing on the screen |
| 23:00.01 | lcuk | amn, was tihnking like the options you get in games |
| 23:00.02 | shinkamui | the UI is slow |
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| 23:00.06 | lcuk | turning aa off and stuff |
| 23:00.21 | lcuk | i need a new new keyboard |
| 23:00.37 | cehteh | you will never get it to reasonable performance when you use the wrong gl way .. you have to port it to gles |
| 23:00.54 | shinkamui | yea, I think thats right cehteh |
| 23:01.06 | shinkamui | luckily I have the blenderpocket gles wrapper code ;) |
| 23:01.17 | cehteh | yes that might help |
| 23:01.23 | shinkamui | its just a bit daunting, I dont know where to begin |
| 23:01.31 | shinkamui | he was able to work off of the microsoft standard opengl lib |
| 23:01.43 | shinkamui | I dont know if I should start wrapping the gl functions in mesa or what |
| 23:02.12 | cehteh | i dont know either |
| 23:02.16 | shinkamui | and then the big question is what library do I need for opengles |
| 23:02.27 | shinkamui | obviously this code has to link to a library |
| 23:02.37 | cehteh | maybe you can just make a LD_PRELOAD lib from that? .. then it becomes useable for other projects too |
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| 23:04.56 | jebba | If you have a kernel with a framebuffer console, you can get the console login thusly: |
| 23:04.56 | jebba | sudo /sbin/getty 38400 tty3 |
| 23:04.56 | jebba | sudo chvt 3 |
| 23:05.46 | pupnik | why does entering text in google or youtube or elsewhere cause a 5-7 second delay before I see what I type? |
| 23:06.08 | cehteh | thats new |
| 23:06.58 | dmj726_n900 | shinkamui: a general opengl to gles wrapper would be good for porting games too. |
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| 23:09.06 | lardman | night all |
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| 23:10.21 | jebba | htop looks rad haha |
| 23:10.43 | shinkamui | yes it would dmj7261 |
| 23:10.54 | shinkamui | I wonder if this works out ok if I can turn it into a wrapper |
| 23:10.57 | shinkamui | a general warpper |
| 23:10.58 | shinkamui | wrapper |
| 23:11.25 | shinkamui | im just not fluent in opengl, I've only done a little ogl programming some years ago when I was interested |
| 23:11.35 | shinkamui | so it would probably be up to the community to keep upgrading it |
| 23:13.37 | shinkamui | damn my N900 is acting stupid |
| 23:13.44 | shinkamui | keeps disconnecting from my wireless and going edge |
| 23:13.52 | pupnik | please fix text entry in browser |
| 23:14.07 | pupnik | i am sick of my text going into URL addressbar |
| 23:14.48 | shinkamui | yea I get that too if I dont doubletap in teh entry box to be sure |
| 23:15.25 | shinkamui | would be nic e if in the new firmware update, nokia also repartitions root to have about 100 extra megs |
| 23:16.15 | N900evil | they can't |
| 23:16.18 | shinkamui | i keep dropping into the 95% full range |
| 23:16.23 | shinkamui | why cant they |
| 23:16.38 | shinkamui | it seems to me that that usb flash mode is the best time to repartition |
| 23:16.42 | N900evil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.44 | shinkamui | or is it a completely different chip |
| 23:16.48 | shinkamui | oh |
| 23:16.51 | shinkamui | painful |
| 23:18.53 | ShadowJK | be sure to reply to the threads/bugs/etc asking for people who fill their / to rwport what they've installed |
| 23:19.25 | N900evil | I want the LED torch to come on automatically if I open the shutter and kill the camera app immediately. |
| 23:19.48 | cehteh | look at /etc/systemui/* |
| 23:20.07 | cehteh | you can disabled the camera app |
| 23:20.19 | cehteh | and possibly enable a torch app there |
| 23:20.42 | lcuk | N900evil, hat happens if you want to take a picture |
| 23:20.45 | cehteh | using the flash when the shutter is open for the alarm clock would also be nice |
| 23:21.12 | N900evil | lcuk, and kill the camera app within 5s say |
| 23:21.51 | cehteh | and you never forget to close the shutter then :) |
| 23:22.00 | N900evil | or open, closeshutter, open |
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| 23:22.49 | N900evil | ceh900, never open it randomly if I don't want to use cam or LED |
| 23:23.06 | *** part/#maemo Sir_Lancelot (n=Sir_Lanc@a213-22-208-114.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:23.49 | N900evil | And only if vcam is killed immediately after opening. |
| 23:26.43 | lcuk | thinks all this is solved with a simple little torch icon in the camera ap |
| 23:26.44 | lcuk | p |
| 23:26.45 | N900evil | gettujng almolst to ther olkijunt where I cahn type with eyes shur |
| 23:26.51 | N900evil | oooh |
| 23:26.52 | cehteh | note that the flashlight also has a dimmer 'indicator' mode .. |
| 23:27.10 | N900evil | that's bettrer than I thought |
| 23:27.26 | N900evil | :) |
| 23:27.28 | cehteh | might be already bright enough for some things |
| 23:27.33 | N900evil | yeah |
| 23:27.36 | lcuk | and since its in process, it knows when should be on/off |
| 23:27.42 | lcuk | and wont get mixed up or fucked up |
| 23:27.47 | lcuk | and most of all, it will be |
| 23:27.49 | lcuk | INTUITIVE |
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| 23:28.20 | angasule | note to nokia: cleaning clothes should NOT look like paper napkins one would find in a 5th grader's birthday party, those tend to get thrown into the waste bin (luckily I was able to retrieve it in time...) |
| 23:28.25 | cehteh | well flashlight sucks a lot of power, so i prefer to make turning it on a very explicit action |
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| 23:28.41 | N900evil | not that much |
| 23:28.49 | N900evil | 1W or so |
| 23:29.14 | N900evil | 4h or so. |
| 23:29.21 | N900evil | err |
| 23:29.24 | N900evil | no |
| 23:29.24 | cehteh | maybe 2w .. |
| 23:29.42 | cehteh | i didnt calculated .. but thats already quite a lot for the device |
| 23:29.42 | N900evil | 1W at flash mode. |
| 23:30.06 | cehteh | i doubt... flash is brighter than my 5W led headtorch |
| 23:30.11 | N900evil | 50mA at 3.5v |
| 23:30.35 | cehteh | its more than 50ma |
| 23:30.49 | cehteh | times 2 leds .. (7Volt or whatever) |
| 23:30.55 | lcuk | cehteh, flash is brighter than the sun |
| 23:30.59 | N900evil | Old LEDs may be 10 percent as efficient. |
| 23:31.05 | N900evil | hmm |
| 23:31.13 | N900evil | series is pposible |
| 23:31.13 | lcuk | i bet nokia engineers are currently investigating n900 sharp connection addons |
| 23:31.17 | lcuk | shark |
| 23:31.23 | cehteh | yes but i rememmber from the datasheet that torch mode is more than 50ma |
| 23:31.28 | N900evil | no |
| 23:31.30 | cehteh | 100 or 150ma |
| 23:31.34 | crashanddie | ~seen qwerty12 |
| 23:31.36 | infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 5h 7m 37s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. |
| 23:31.39 | N900evil | must be less than |
| 23:32.14 | crashanddie | ~seen qwertyn900 |
| 23:32.15 | infobot | i haven't seen 'qwertyn900', crashanddie |
| 23:32.23 | lcuk | crashanddie, tmo |
| 23:32.24 | crashanddie | ~seen qwerty900 |
| 23:32.25 | infobot | i haven't seen 'qwerty900', crashanddie |
| 23:32.39 | crashanddie | lcuk: dunno what's happened, why the hell isn't he on IRC anymore? |
| 23:32.46 | lcuk | ask him |
| 23:32.59 | cehteh | the leds are quite conservatively powered .. less than the chip can deliver |
| 23:33.07 | N900evil | yeah - limit is 50mA |
| 23:33.21 | N900evil | check wiki page |
| 23:34.00 | N900evil | so .35w |
| 23:34.21 | N900evil | or about 10h |
| 23:34.27 | cehteh | how do you get the wattage? |
| 23:34.39 | cehteh | because you dont know the voltage :P |
| 23:34.43 | N900evil | multiply by 7 |
| 23:34.51 | cehteh | that was just a guess |
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| 23:35.08 | cehteh | could be anything between 6 and 9 volts depending on the leds |
| 23:35.38 | N900evil | White leds all have a forward voltage in the range of 3.4 and 3.9v or so |
| 23:35.49 | cehteh | and the step up circruit has only about 80% efficiency |
| 23:35.56 | N900evil | for singe die devices |
| 23:36.16 | N900evil | covered in 'about' |
| 23:37.23 | *** join/#maemo kpel (n=mcu@unaffiliated/kpel) |
| 23:37.34 | N900evil | have proper current measurement setup about 1/2 built |
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| 23:56.41 | timeless_mbp | did someone poke me earlier? |
| 23:57.20 | luke-jr | pokes timeless_mbp for the heck of it |
| 23:57.28 | timeless_mbp | counter-pokes luke-jr |
| 23:57.30 | jX | joins in the poking |
| 23:57.35 | timeless_mbp | hi jX |
| 23:57.38 | jX | sup |
| 23:57.48 | timeless_mbp | it's midnight |
| 23:57.57 | N900evil | does not poke timeless_mbp |
| 23:58.11 | jX | it's midnight, do you know where your nokia mobiles are? |
| 23:58.26 | N900evil | yes |
| 23:58.38 | luke-jr | stabs timeless_mbp |
| 23:58.45 | luke-jr | N900evil: nope, it's in my pocket |
| 23:58.48 | timeless_mbp | jX: charging |
| 23:58.50 | jX | please dont' stabtimeless. |
| 23:58.53 | jX | we need him |
| 23:58.55 | jX | a little. |
| 23:59.12 | luke-jr | hehe |
| 23:59.14 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 23:59.14 | timeless_mbp | http://cellphone.gadgetzonia.com/nokia-review-from-windows-mobile-smartphone-round-robin/ |
| 23:59.21 | timeless_mbp | claims the n900 has 768mb of 'rom' |
| 23:59.30 | timeless_mbp | can someone please tell me what the heck they're talking about? |
| 23:59.33 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: is $320 for a N900 definitely a scam? |
| 23:59.47 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: 768 MB would be swap |
| 23:59.51 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: i wouldn't place money on it being a scam |
