IRC log for #maemo on 20091227

`00:00.28`	`red`	`hah, went to see Avatar today. saw it with 6000 votes @ imdb with 7.x.. now 5 hours later its 70 votes and 8.8 and #24 on to 100`
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`00:00.42`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`haha`
`00:00.56`	`MohammadAG`	`red, so how was it?`
`00:01.02`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`yes`
`00:01.09`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`but dont spoil...`
`00:01.15`	`MohammadAG`	`...`
`00:01.37`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`o,yay`
`00:01.51`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`it seems to be working`
`00:02.29`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`now,only to figure out how to run a command without having to have an open terminal... :/`
`00:02.29`	`GAN900`	`red, it's too bad the story was so lame`
`00:03.33`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hm`
`00:03.42`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`and the action scenes?`
`00:04.14`	`red`	`GAN900: depends what u like`
`00:04.31`	`GAN900`	`Excellent visuals, excellent action, weak story`
`00:04.31`	`crashanddie`	`red: they bad. we good. fight. WOOOHOOOO, good win.`
`00:04.34`	`red`	`and what you expect aswell i guess`
`00:04.37`	`GAN900`	`CGI was flawless`
`00:04.43`	`GAN900`	`crashanddie, exactly`
`00:04.51`	`red`	`hands down best CGI I've seen`
`00:04.56`	`crashanddie`	`GAN900: and I didn't even see the movie ;)`
`00:05.01`	`red`	`also first movie I went to see as 3D so was quite surprised`
`00:05.03`	`GAN900`	`red, it's FernGully + Surrogates`
`00:05.15`	`red`	`anyway`
`00:05.39`	`red`	`I myself liked the story too, but I guess I'm sort of a romantic in the end - that was the interetsing plot part for me and not the war`
`00:05.56`	`red`	`and my gf was in tears in the ending so I didnt need to ask how she liked it`
`00:05.56`	`GAN900`	`It needed a more mature morality`
`00:06.17`	`red`	`best movie I saw this year, but I know alot of people who will dislike it`
`00:06.24`	`GAN900`	`It's at about 11-years-old right now.`
`00:06.25`	`crashanddie`	`but well, after 9 terminator incarnations, you can't blame james cameron for going with good vs evil again... Oh hang on... YES YOU CAN!`
`00:06.26`	`red`	`will be one of those films that divide people quite clearly`
`00:06.56`	`GAN900`	`crashanddie, lacked the innovation of Alien/Aliens, too.`
`00:07.12`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hm`
`00:07.21`	`red`	`Aliens is one of my fav movies`
`00:07.23`	`red`	`:>`
`00:07.29`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`i guess it should be fun`
`00:07.56`	`GAN900`	`It was fun`
`00:08.02`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`brainwashing blockbuster stupidity but i expect myself to be amused`
`00:08.10`	`GAN900`	`Didn't drag at all for being 2.5+ hours long`
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`00:08.30`	`red`	`I attempt to avoid marketing and never watch trailers`
`00:08.45`	`crashanddie`	`red: what movie didn't divide people clearly? Harry Potter? Benjamin Button? Star Trek? You always have those who like it and those who don't. It's not one of "those movies", it's "a movie". Yeah, it looks awesome, yada yada yada, but in 10 years we'll just go: "Meh, at least the kids enjoy it", and everyone will react like we talk about Matrix now: it was awesome then, but a bit shameful now to still be into it`
`00:08.46`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`and if not,still better than the twilight i had to watch today...ack`
`00:08.49`	`GAN900`	`Just didn't have any of the grit or grayness of Dark Knight`
`00:08.51`	`red`	`That way I have less expectations when I see film`
`00:09.08`	`GAN900`	`Which was unfortunate, since it could've taken it into the stratosphere`
`00:09.31`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`wait`
`00:09.41`	`crashanddie`	`red: sorry, my bad, didn't mean to flame like that. Hang on, GAN900, pass me that vial of unobtainium`
`00:09.42`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`i still like Matrix :(`
`00:10.02`	`GAN900`	`Indeed, the Matrix is still pretty awesome`
`00:10.07`	`red`	`crashanddie: I actually just watched the trilogy again month ago (the 2nd/3rd part I only really enjoy the mr. smith fights). But I guess it has alot to do with the love and interest for CGI I have`
`00:10.26`	`GAN900`	`CGI does not a timeless movie make`
`00:10.39`	`red`	`Thats arguable :)`
`00:10.45`	`GAN900`	`Not really`
`00:11.01`	`red`	`For my eyes it's art. Art is eternal :)`
`00:11.12`	`crashanddie`	`red: I'd enjoy a TOS Star Trek episode 10 times more now nearly half a century after their original airing than any 10 year old movie.`
`00:11.28`	`red`	`Damn, I still get shivers seeing some good C64 art even though time has passed it's nature`
`00:11.34`	`GAN900`	`So Godzilla must be one of the greatest movies ever made, right?`
`00:11.50`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`when we're in debate of cgi...anybody saw these final fantasy movies?`
`00:11.52`	`red`	`Nahh, didn't really fancy it`
`00:12.03`	`red`	`LuciusMare_n900: got both in my DVD collection`
`00:12.25`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hm`
`00:13.01`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`i personally like more...the newer one`
`00:13.04`	`crashanddie`	`red: from a "spectacularity" standpoint. CGIs don't age well. Yes, they still make you kneel in awe because they are so amazing for the time, however they still look shit. TOS Star Trek on the other hand will never suffer that, because there's NO CGI. They let it up to your imagination -- and that, just like a book or theatre is something CGI will never be able to give you.`
`00:13.08`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`with the phantoms`
`00:13.28`	`crashanddie`	`</flame>`
`00:13.38`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`advent children was just crap,i think`
`00:13.44`	`crashanddie`	`red: No, I swear, I'm quite a nice person in real life`
`00:13.44`	`dolfun`	`the first pilot was good`
`00:14.43`	`red`	`I enjoy books too, but for whole lot different reasons than stunnign visual arts. Imagination is a strong thing and I'ev dreamt about thinks I've read atleast 10 times more often than things I've watched on big screen. What it boils down to me is that I and couple of friends are and have for a long time been into computer visual arts. Guess we appreciate even those old things more than most ever will :P`
`00:14.57`	`crashanddie`	`You guys heard about the self-proclamed al-qaida terrorist who lit a firecracker on a domestic flight in the US?`
`00:15.07`	`crashanddie`	`I love how they call it a "explosive device"`
`00:15.26`	`red`	`I still watch Babylon 5 and think how cool it was when it first aired to see that kinda animation (and I don't really forget the effect it had me on first view)`
`00:15.49`	`crashanddie`	`He just wanted to celebrate christmas, then when he got tackled, just went: "Oh well, I'm a muslim and have a beard and turban, I'm fucked anyway, VIVA AL KADA!!!"`
`00:16.06`	`red`	`It looks like shit compared to today ofourse, but I'll toss one more thing at you crashanddie before I gtg for a minute:`
`00:16.27`	`crashanddie`	`going to watch top gear in a minute anyway (which looks superb in HD, if I may say)`
`00:17.08`	`red`	`Like I said, I don't know if it was because it was the first 3D movie I saw, or that the CGI really was that spectacular. I haven't gotten that "little kid awed" sensation in years, and tonight I had it - and it would take someone very close to me dying to drop my spirit down from the glow it's experiencing at the moment. :)`
`00:17.22`	`lcuk`	`red im just upto middle of series 4 again :) b5 is an awe inspiring story`
`00:17.38`	`lcuk`	`they couldv done it in claymation and it wouldv worked`
`00:17.48`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`lol`
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`00:17.59`	`crashanddie`	`so I used the word "awe" and suddenly everyone goes for it?`
`00:18.03`	`crashanddie`	`:P`
`00:18.05`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`avatar reanimated.enjoy the pureness of stopmotion`
`00:18.09`	`n900evil`	`claybylon 5`
`00:18.25`	`red`	`thats the word that pops into mind when I have my jaw open :)`
`00:18.41`	`red`	`Or well I got a little bit of that sensation seeing that movie I don't even remember the name of.. the one with the odd aliens floating in africa.. district 9 yeah`
`00:18.50`	`GAN900`	`still wishes Farscape hadn't been cancelled`
`00:18.50`	`red`	`anyway, the part where the guy goes into the mech warrior and starts blasting`
`00:19.00`	`n900evil`	`15 million tons of spinning plastercine...`
`00:19.02`	`red`	`for a little moment I felt like I was 12 yo again`
`00:19.05`	`crashanddie`	`GAN900: just watch doctor who`
`00:19.10`	`crashanddie`	`lcuk: did you watch doctor who last night?`
`00:19.13`	`red`	`GAN900: amen, great show`
`00:19.15`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`what pops into my mind with jaw open is often some poor fly`
`00:19.18`	`lcuk`	`shush`
`00:19.20`	`lcuk`	`not yet`
`00:19.38`	`GAN900`	`crashanddie, do, not Farscape. :P`
`00:19.45`	`lcuk`	`hoping to sit down this week and get some time properly`
`00:19.48`	`ShadowJK`	`atleast farscape had a chance to close with peacekeeper wars`
`00:19.49`	`wazd_`	`damn, looks like I'm gonna enter morality paradox now :)`
`00:19.50`	`lcuk`	`doctor who must be savoured`
`00:20.06`	`red`	`https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~chanson9/tutorials/shark/jawsSample.jpg`
`00:20.08`	`crashanddie`	`lcuk: laptop running in London, PS3 in the South of France with traffic proxied through London :P -- BBC iPlayer in HD :P`
`00:20.33`	`n900evil`	`lcuk: shock change. New Doctor is Ali G.`
`00:20.43`	`red`	`anyway, I don't care if someone regards my movie taste shitty. It's what I like and my life is too short to worry bout shit like that. Arguing is fun though, but no time for more today :)`
`00:20.47`	`red`	`gn`
`00:20.47`	`lcuk`	`iplayer is quite low bandwidth isnt it?`
`00:20.57`	`crashanddie`	`red: take care`
`00:20.58`	`n900evil`	`lcuk: depends`
`00:21.01`	`wazd_`	`Good part of me wants to help with Miniature, and evil doesn't`
`00:21.31`	`n900evil`	`lcuk: there are 100k to 1.5m or so streams.`
`00:21.34`	`crashanddie`	`lcuk: I'm getting 720p here`
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`00:21.58`	`n900evil`	`get_iplayer ++`
`00:22.15`	`lcuk`	`wazd_, why dont you have a go at making and directing a project yourself? rather than taking on others etc, is there an app concept where you could put your best in and win over developers to make it for you?`
`00:22.48`	`crashanddie`	`wazd_: translation: lcuk wants you to work with him`
`00:22.54`	`lcuk`	`use all your fancy pants flash stuff to show us exciting concept for something cool`
`00:23.20`	`crashanddie`	`wazd_: translation: I need you to pimp my interface`
`00:23.41`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: I'm a bad administrator`
`00:23.57`	`crashanddie`	`lcuk: translation: I can't be bothered working on something after the initial motivation has gone`
`00:24.03`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: maybe I can organize a bunch of designers, but that's all :)`
`00:24.35`	`crashanddie`	`lcuk: translation: Really I have a bunch of russian kids doing my designing stuff, and I take the credit`
`00:24.50`	`wazd_`	`crashanddie: oh, now you got me :D`
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`00:24.59`	`lcuk`	`lol seb i was just gonna yell at you for wrong translations, but that one made me laff`
`00:25.12`	`crashanddie`	`:)`
`00:25.47`	`wazd_`	`maybe good part will win this time again`
`00:25.57`	`crashanddie`	`anyway, i'm out, take care people`
`00:26.03`	`lcuk`	`gn`
`00:26.06`	`wazd_`	`crashanddie: cya`
`00:26.58`	`crashanddie`	`GAN900: Don't put the sick in the washing machine`
`00:27.15`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: As for the app, I can't even find devs to work on XChat :D`
`00:27.20`	`lcuk`	`wazd, so you are comfortable reshaping apps, really the best way to shape in your image is to start from a low level`
`00:27.24`	`lcuk`	`no1 wants to touch xchat`
`00:27.36`	`lcuk`	`the code has solidified`
`00:27.49`	`lcuk`	`and heavily multiplatform and difficult to mess with`
`00:27.58`	`lcuk`	`the original developer isnt on hand so everything is a raid`
`00:28.25`	`lcuk`	`look at this one "simple" bug with crashing when you save preferences`
`00:28.27`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: well, amybe develop standalone IRC client, not XChat?`
`00:28.46`	`lcuk`	`of course`
`00:29.01`	`n900evil`	`not seeing that much wrong with xchat`
`00:29.02`	`lcuk`	`if someone is developing an irc client for the device`
`00:29.06`	`lcuk`	`im not either`
`00:29.25`	`lcuk`	`is as it happens developing an irc client for maemo :)`
`00:29.45`	`n900evil`	`but yes old clients can be crufty`
`00:29.51`	`lcuk`	`http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_191242._maemo.scr.png`
`00:30.34`	`lcuk`	`http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png`
`00:31.31`	`n900evil`	`too shiny. :)`
`00:31.37`	`wazd_`	`well, I guess it's not that hard to make IRC client then :)`
`00:31.54`	`lcuk`	`its hard to make one with real improvements`
`00:32.10`	`lcuk`	`any links and photos and sketches are put inline as thumbnails`
`00:32.18`	`n900evil`	`the real features I want are not deviceside`
`00:32.30`	`lcuk`	`and i want to be sketching there too`
`00:32.53`	`n900evil`	`as in good proxy support`
`00:33.21`	`lcuk`	`well from a client perspective it shouldnt know its behind a proxy should it`
`00:33.35`	`n900evil`	`It has to`
`00:33.42`	`n900evil`	`to work right`
`00:34.12`	`n900evil`	`assuming noncontinuous net.`
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`00:35.28`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: And the last reason I don't want to develop new apps cause it's kinda stupid to develop an app for the platform you can't even properly check out`
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`00:35.56`	`n900evil`	`are there timeshared n900s?`
`00:36.00`	`lcuk`	`indeed :) how on earth did i manage to develop liqbase to run so well on the n900 when for months i didnt have one`
`00:36.25`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: oh, cmon`
`00:36.27`	`ShadowJK`	`because you didn't have one`
`00:36.28`	`lcuk`	`it didnt stop me`
`00:36.53`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: for how much months? one? :D`
`00:37.00`	`lcuk`	`actually no`
`00:37.05`	`lcuk`	`for quite a bit longer`
`00:37.14`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: you got an early proto`
`00:37.21`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: nufsaid`
`00:37.26`	`lcuk`	`having a proto and using it are 2 different things`
`00:37.39`	`lcuk`	`my n810 was principle work horse right up until nearly onedotzero`
`00:37.59`	`lcuk`	`i couldnt get gcc working right on it`
`00:38.16`	`lcuk`	`so it sat, i still continued optimizing liqbase on the 810`
`00:38.24`	`n900evil`	`need gcc on n900`
`00:38.27`	`lcuk`	`knowing that the faster i got it there the better it would be longterm`
`00:38.41`	`wazd_`	`lcuk: well, anyway, liqbase is a strange kind of app, I'd rather develop something native`
`00:38.43`	`lcuk`	`add the sdk and tools repositories (same ones in scratchbox)`
`00:38.54`	`lcuk`	`cant get more native than liqbase`
`00:39.06`	`wazd_`	`here we go...`
`00:39.10`	`lcuk`	`from inception to now its lived breathed and belongs on the nokia maemo devices`
`00:40.12`	`wazd_`	`I don't want to tell you for a 100th time that you're wrong`
`00:40.23`	`ShadowJK`	`It's pretty obvious that by doing something that people was said is impossible on N810, and making it possible, that taking that and running it on N900 would prove to be pretty nice...`
`00:40.26`	`wazd_`	`native is native, liqbase is liqbase`
`00:40.45`	`lcuk`	`you havent told me what you mean by native though, natively what`
`00:41.05`	`lcuk`	`ShadowJK, indeed`
`00:41.35`	`wazd_`	`it's like calling, well, something from palm OS native cause it can be launced with n800`
`00:42.08`	`lcuk`	`not at all, thats called emulation`
`00:42.24`	`lcuk`	`i think hermes is a native applicaiton`
`00:42.40`	`lcuk`	`it was written from its ground up with the device in mind`
`00:42.48`	`lcuk`	`i think shopper is a native application, for the same reason`
`00:43.16`	`lcuk`	`xchat however isnt, its a damn fine piece of open source software ported to the device`
`00:43.24`	`wazd_`	`and it utilizes maemo 5 ui`
`00:45.00`	`wazd_`	`native app is an app that integrates with os somehow`
`00:45.25`	`lcuk`	`what about games?`
`00:45.32`	`lcuk`	`bounce doesnt look like maemo5`
`00:45.40`	`wazd_`	`well, it's a game`
`00:45.58`	`lcuk`	`so is xchat, the graphics are a bit shit tho`
`00:46.01`	`Ceron`	`your native talk is futile`
`00:46.46`	`wazd_`	`xchat runs within maemo`
`00:46.54`	`wazd_`	`liqbase apps rusns within liqbase`
`00:46.59`	`wazd_`	`that runs within maemo`
`00:47.09`	`wazd_`	`that's sort of "emulation"`
`00:48.12`	`wackl`	`hm, the same could be said about apps using sdl?`
`00:48.14`	`lcuk`	`wazd please i started this conversation to help you`
`00:48.19`	`lcuk`	`or gtk`
`00:48.24`	`lcuk`	`or anything else`
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`00:49.15`	`wazd_`	`ah, looks like I can't be understanded`
`00:49.20`	`wazd_`	`understood*`
`00:50.51`	`wazd_`	`I'm pretty fine with doing concepts for existing apps cause I love to help people that way`
`00:51.10`	`Ceron`	`stop talking about concepts! i want apps now :D`
`00:51.20`	`wazd_`	`Ceron: make one`
`00:51.26`	`sp3000`	`clippy!`
`00:51.29`	`dolfun`	`what app`
`00:51.38`	`Ceron`	`navigation software (nautical finnish marine charts)`
`00:51.40`	`Ceron`	`:D`
`00:51.47`	`wazd_`	`ask lcuk, hes very good at making useful apps`
`00:52.08`	`sp3000`	`"It looks like you're trying to go southwest."`
`00:52.30`	`lcuk`	`Ceron, do you just need picture overlays`
`00:52.35`	`dolfun`	`how about plato client`
`00:52.46`	`lcuk`	`or full on vector sharts with gps tracking`
`00:52.53`	`lcuk`	`charts/sharks`
`00:53.05`	`Ceron`	`lcuk: i bought the "VeneCd/Merikartta CD" from the store`
`00:53.22`	`GAN900`	`wazd_, facepalm @ jaek. . . .`
`00:53.24`	`Ceron`	`its a damn windows program but the charts are raster in a access database`
`00:53.26`	`lcuk`	`that tells me an aweful lot`
`00:53.42`	`lcuk`	`heh`
`00:53.48`	`lcuk`	`i worked with access stuff for ages`
`00:53.48`	`Ceron`	`they could be used with some maemo mapper type of program :P`
`00:54.06`	`lcuk`	`ive got a converter somewhere for access to sqlite (available on device)`
`00:54.28`	`dolfun`	`write the company`
`00:54.58`	`Ceron`	`seriously even some of the biggest companies in the world use windows programs for nautical navigation`
`00:55.02`	`Ceron`	`on there ships`
`00:55.04`	`Ceron`	`its terrible :D`
`00:55.05`	`lcuk`	`Ceron, how large is the database, in testing the limits for sqlite with embedded blobs was about 100mb flawlessly`
`00:55.18`	`wazd_`	`GAN900: who's it? :)`
`00:55.20`	`lcuk`	`ceron its historical and hard to change`
`00:56.15`	`Ceron`	`theres about 0 good nautical navigation programs for linux`
`00:56.59`	`GAN900`	`wazd_, the "oldschool" XChat user`
`00:57.01`	`lcuk`	`ceron, what about iphone`
`00:57.13`	`Ceron`	`iphone has alot yes`
`00:57.21`	`lcuk`	`i wonder how you market that app in appstore`
`00:57.22`	`Ceron`	`but they cant be ported to maemo right?`
`00:57.36`	`lcuk`	`or any app for a specific target audience/event`
`00:57.58`	`n900evil`	`ceron: in some cases sure. Maybe easier to rewrite though.`
`00:58.00`	`wazd_`	`GAN900: aah, taht guy from blog`
`00:58.10`	`Ceron`	`http://www.hannusales.fi/uusiloisto/TaskuLoisto.htm`
`00:58.26`	`wazd_`	`GAN900: well, he has his opinion :)`
`00:58.28`	`Ceron`	`http://www.hannusales.fi/uusiloisto/isot/P1010341.JPG`
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`00:58.46`	`Ceron`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IxuLSaGtVA&feature=player_embedded`
`00:59.26`	`wazd_`	`GAN900: Anyway, I think it would really be better to develop another IRC client, and leave XChat alone`
`00:59.30`	`lcuk`	`Ceron, its for n97`
`00:59.33`	`lcuk`	`as well`
`00:59.36`	`Ceron`	`and windows ce :p`
`00:59.41`	`GAN900`	`wazd_, lot more work, though.`
`00:59.48`	`wazd_`	`GAN900: hmm`
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`01:00.06`	`lcuk`	`nahh its easy to write irc clients!`
`01:00.08`	`wazd_`	`GAN900: I was told that changing XCAt is impossible task :D`
`01:00.13`	`Ceron`	`wazd_: why start out from scratch?`
`01:00.32`	`Ceron`	`anyone`
`01:00.34`	`Ceron`	`use irssi :\`
`01:00.37`	`wazd_`	`Ceron: well, maybe we can pick a simplier client`
`01:00.39`	`Ceron`	`whats wrong with irssi?`
`01:00.50`	`wazd_`	`Ceron: as a base`
`01:01.17`	`Ceron`	`i dont understand why you even talking about new irc clients when you got the supreme irc client`
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`01:01.28`	`Ceron`	`irssi is the one and only true irc client :p`
`01:01.57`	`lcuk`	`wants new client because i want new usable fingerable features`
`01:01.58`	`wazd_`	`Ceron: btw, we can use it with proper frontend for example`
`01:02.01`	`n900evil`	`BitchX!`
`01:02.31`	`Ceron`	`whats wrong with irssi? you there is page-up/down tab`
`01:02.36`	`Ceron`	`all accesable with fingers`
`01:02.38`	`Ceron`	`in terminal`
`01:02.52`	`lcuk`	`i want avatars`
`01:02.59`	`n900evil`	`taking up like 6 lines of text room`
`01:02.59`	`Ceron`	`go to msn for avatars`
`01:03.00`	`lcuk`	`and thumbnails`
`01:03.03`	`Ceron`	`>.<`
`01:03.32`	`Ceron`	`the little screen of the n900, i dont think its wise to fill the rows with pics :)`
`01:03.39`	`Ceron`	`keep irssi simple and clean is the way`
`01:03.44`	`lcuk`	`depends what channel you are in`
`01:03.44`	`Ceron`	`irc*`
`01:03.54`	`n900evil`	`I am very surprised how fast the keyboard is getting with just a few hours practive.`
`01:04.03`	`lcuk`	`then visit a chan without or shock carry on using the one that works.`
`01:04.17`	`lcuk`	`is not religious and loves the variety of implementations`
`01:04.39`	`Ceron`	`you should sell your soul to irssi`
`01:04.43`	`lcuk`	`just look at web browsers and email clients and stuff`
`01:04.47`	`n900evil`	`If you want images, just go to 4chan /b/`
`01:04.48`	`lcuk`	`people have features they like`
`01:05.07`	`lcuk`	`n900evil, some people do, but retention is a bitch`
`01:05.16`	`n900evil`	`I want lynx on device.`
`01:05.16`	`lcuk`	`i want the piccs more like twitter`
`01:05.25`	`lcuk`	`errr flickr rather`
`01:05.31`	`lcuk`	`retain usefulness`
`01:05.38`	`redeeman`	`lol twitter`
`01:05.41`	`Ceron`	`twitter completly useless`
`01:05.42`	`lcuk`	`the chans are too transitory`
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`01:05.54`	`n900evil`	`flickr is annoying.`
`01:06.12`	`Ceron`	`picasaweb > flickr`
`01:06.18`	`n900evil`	`They won't implement obvious features.`
`01:06.33`	`lcuk`	`then dont use it, plenty more out there`
`01:06.46`	`n900evil`	`For example being able to upload old photos.`
`01:06.54`	`Ceron`	`because google doesnt want to work with maemo :\ seems like`
`01:06.58`	`lcuk`	`i am just sick of people posting pictures and me having to tap/hold silly press thing`
`01:07.01`	`lcuk`	`to get at info`
`01:07.03`	`Ceron`	`i wont be able to upload n900 pics directly to picasaweb`
`01:07.17`	`lcuk`	`why not just have a thumb and open the picture viewer`
`01:07.24`	`lcuk`	`Ceron, sharing option`
`01:07.27`	`lcuk`	`should be one?`
`01:07.35`	`lcuk`	`if not, it can be developers using the std interface`
`01:08.33`	`lcuk`	`developed*`
`01:09.39`	`n900evil`	`lcuk: you are using xchat?`
`01:10.07`	`lcuk`	`in windows yeah`
`01:10.21`	`n900evil`	`Split the channel window, and put thumbs in it.`
`01:10.32`	`n900evil`	`populated from links.`
`01:10.36`	`lcuk`	`mm? in windows it doesnt matter`
`01:10.40`	`lcuk`	`right click works?`
`01:11.24`	`lcuk`	`well, i say it doesnt matter, i tihnk in the near future it will`
`01:12.36`	`n900evil`	`yeah - was meaning on n900`
`01:13.50`	`lcuk`	`n900evil, chat wouldnt allow the extra things i need the chat flow for though`
`01:14.01`	`lcuk`	`x`
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`01:14.03`	`n900evil`	`lcuk: true`
`01:14.20`	`n900evil`	`I want a wall of text`
`01:14.50`	`lcuk`	`i want pretty kinetics and recognisable things`
`01:15.01`	`n900evil`	`Fair enough.`
`01:15.28`	`n900evil`	`won't of course help on busy channels and small screens.`
`01:15.55`	`lcuk`	`nothing helps that!`
`01:16.01`	`n900evil`	`Hmm. Placement of apostophie is annoying.`
`01:16.12`	`lcuk`	`i remember being in rly busy chans on desktop where the flow was so quick you could barely watch`
`01:16.14`	`n900evil`	`As are splits.`
`01:16.29`	`n900evil`	`DDOS?`
`01:16.42`	`lcuk`	`no, just bustling chat`
`01:16.44`	`n900evil`	`Again :/`
`01:17.09`	`lcuk`	`the mini split up there just looks like a server down`
`01:17.49`	`n900evil`	`yeah. Wondering if earlier December had returned.`
`01:18.26`	`lcuk`	`heh`
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`02:39.49`	`SplasPood`	`Hrm, when I try to apt-get update in scratchbox under the arm target I end up having problems with sudo wanting to add files that would 'break sudoers', anyone encounter this?`
`02:40.30`	`Flandry`	`no`
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`02:40.59`	`Flandry`	`works fine here`
`02:41.02`	`dolfun`	`flandry how goes the joydev protest`
`02:41.21`	`Flandry`	`the protest? :D`
`02:41.36`	`dolfun`	`broken dependency`
`02:41.40`	`Flandry`	`Attila is going to release the package any day now`
`02:41.46`	`Flandry`	`haha`
`02:41.46`	`dolfun`	`ok`
`02:42.01`	`Flandry`	`i installed the module manually and it works ok`
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`02:42.17`	`dolfun`	`yeh but package complains`
`02:42.35`	`dolfun`	`good to hear`
`02:42.40`	`Flandry`	`if i had known it would take this long i would have just released a precompiled joydev package`
`02:43.08`	`Flandry`	`next weekend i will if attila is still having trouble`
`02:43.12`	`dolfun`	`ukki has a decent duke 3d`
`02:43.29`	`dolfun`	`i think uqm is a great game`
`02:43.38`	`Flandry`	`i'm actually working on sdlmame right now`
`02:43.38`	`SplasPood`	`ahh I fixed it`
`02:43.49`	`SplasPood`	`visudo was failing because my user (1000) was not in /etc/passwd`
`02:43.52`	`Flandry`	`i need a debugger for armel`
`02:43.52`	`dolfun`	`nice`
`02:44.01`	`dolfun`	`gdb on device here`
`02:44.01`	`Flandry`	`can't find gdb`
`02:44.06`	`Flandry`	`oh?`
`02:44.17`	`Flandry`	`is it installed by default or something?`
`02:44.40`	`Flandry`	`i can't see any package for it`
`02:44.59`	`dolfun`	`Version: 6.8.50.20090417-0maemo2+0m5`
`02:44.59`	`dolfun`	`Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5.0-1), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2.1), libncurses5 (>= 5.7-1), libreadline5 (>= 5.2)`
`02:45.16`	`dolfun`	`they can be hard to find`
`02:45.27`	`Flandry`	`wth`
`02:45.36`	`Flandry`	`is apt-cache feeding me a line`
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`02:47.22`	`dolfun`	`i miss things with apt`
`02:47.28`	`dolfun`	`i use teh googles`
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`02:48.00`	`Flandry`	`it's not in the repo?`
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`02:52.21`	`dolfun`	`it is somewhere hold on`
`02:53.23`	`Flandry`	`i don't get it, i can see it here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/gdb/`
`02:53.36`	`dolfun`	`/repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/g/gdb/gdb_6.8.50.20090417-0maemo2+0m5_armel.deb`
`02:53.42`	`Flandry`	`but it's not in any repos i have enabled`
`02:53.46`	`n900evil`	`hmm. text nethack is actually playable on n900`
`02:54.04`	`n900evil`	`though vikeys are awkward`
`02:54.07`	`dolfun`	`same here flandry`
`02:54.22`	`Flandry`	`did you just download the .deb and use dpkg?`
`02:54.30`	`dolfun`	`yeps`
`02:54.51`	`Flandry`	`ok thanks`
`02:55.27`	`dolfun`	`i feel stupid but maybe something is wrong`
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`03:00.05`	`dolfun`	`flandry can u try -fprofile-generate for mame`
`03:00.13`	`dolfun`	`turn off sbox_useagccache`
`03:01.05`	`dolfun`	`need just cflag,s -O2 and -fprofile-generate, i think`
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`03:02.01`	`dolfun`	`helps nuce speedup on cyclone`
`03:02.06`	`dolfun`	`i think`
`03:02.08`	`dolfun`	`lol`
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`03:04.46`	`Flandry`	`i'm just trying to get it to work for the moment`
`03:04.52`	`Flandry`	`instead of crash immediately ;)`
`03:15.08`	`dolfun`	`crash on main () ?`
`03:15.11`	`dolfun`	`or sdl init`
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`03:28.21`	`go1dfish`	`coming home for the holidays has taught me something....`
`03:28.28`	`go1dfish`	`there are just some people who shouldn't use computers`
`03:28.48`	`go1dfish`	`they will never be simple enough, because they just do to much`
`03:29.00`	`go1dfish`	`and some people just cant wrap their head around that kind of flexibility`
`03:29.17`	`wsnelr`	`hello. I downloaded the maemo nokia development sdk for my nokia n900 phone, and I'm in the scratchbox (sbox) and able to compile a sample helloworld.c and gui_helloworld. My question is do I need to use one of the arm-gcc style compilers instead of just gcc, to have the binary work on the phone? When I copy it over to the phone and try to run it from an xterm (ssh actually), it just gives a...`
`03:29.18`	`wsnelr`	`...line 1 syntax error.`
`03:29.51`	`Flandry`	`you have to switch to the armel target`
`03:30.03`	`Flandry`	`compile for that target`
`03:30.07`	`Flandry`	`then copy it over`
`03:30.10`	`Flandry`	`sb-menu`
`03:31.20`	`Flandry`	`dolfun: No, it gets to the point of drawing "Startup complete" in the center of the screen, and then calls an illegal instruction`
`03:32.26`	`dolfun`	`ha it woeks with n800 binary`
`03:32.48`	`Flandry`	`?`
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`03:40.03`	`wsnelr`	`ok thanks flandry that did it. very helpful`
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`03:47.40`	`dolfun`	`flandry old xmame`
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`03:49.48`	K`	`running the emu for the first time`
`03:49.51`	K`	`is its normally slow?`
`03:49.54`	K`	`like REAL slow?`
`03:50.05`	K`	`or is it just that Im running it on a P4`
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`03:50.43`	`brianez21`	`hello`
`03:50.59`	`brianez21`	`anyone want to buy my N900?`
`03:51.05`	`brianez21`	`pretty much brand new`
`03:51.58`	K`	`how much`
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`03:52.19`	`brianez21`	K`: $580? best offer?
`03:52.23`	`type_t`	`go to #swapmeet for that..`
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`03:52.43`	K`	`naah, I just bought one new for 500$ from a distributer`
`03:52.45`	`brianez21`	`I figured I would offer it to fellow Maemo users before I offered to the general public`
`03:52.45`	K`	`terrible deal`
`03:52.56`	`brianez21`	`oh. I paid almost $600 for mine`
`03:52.56`	`type_t`	`give you $150 bucks`
`03:53.25`	K`	`Im sure it will sell, good luck`
`03:53.28`	K`	`why are you getting rid of it?`
`03:53.28`	`brianez21`	`just looking for the best offer - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38504`
`03:53.37`	`brianez21`	`no 3.5G on AT&T :(`
`03:53.53`	K`	`yea`
`03:54.09`	K`	`I am willing to take that hit`
`03:54.15`	`brianez21`	`so slooow`
`03:54.19`	K`	`I have a 3gs, and a touch pro right now`
`03:54.28`	K`	`I almost never use 3g though, Im always in wifi coverage`
`03:54.47`	K`	`when I want to do some browsing anyway, I only use data for IM and push email/calendars`
`03:54.47`	`AakashPatel`	`brianez21: no 3g either on att lol`
`03:54.59`	`AakashPatel`	`if we're talkin abou the n900 that is`
`03:55.03`	`brianez21`	`AakashPatel: yeah, EDGE only`
`03:55.09`	K`	`Im burning 30$ amonth on data I can't even use`
`03:55.11`	`AakashPatel`	`kisses his EDGE connection`
`03:55.17`	K`	`looking forward to the N900 and drpping to medianet`
`03:55.23`	`AakashPatel`	`thats what i did`
`03:55.35`	`AakashPatel`	`even when i had my ADP1`
`03:55.50`	`AakashPatel`	`ATT think i have a cheapo nokia hehe`
`03:55.52`	K`	`my biggest gripe with AT&T is that your natted`
`03:55.59`	`AakashPatel`	`eh yeah :/`
`03:56.02`	K`	`tmobile gives you a true external IP if you pick the vpn plan`
`03:56.08`	`brianez21`	`EDGE is just unusable for me. I'll have to stick with my iphone 3g...`
`03:56.18`	`brianez21`	`tmobile really gives you a public ip?`
`03:56.21`	K`	`yea`
`03:56.31`	`brianez21`	`like... you can open ports and such?`
`03:56.37`	K`	`only if you request vpn data and use the internet3.voicestream.com ap`
`03:56.42`	`AakashPatel`	`well the give you ones like 3245251.tmodns.net`
`03:56.43`	K`	`then your ip is visible from the net`
`03:56.44`	`AakashPatel`	`or something`
`03:56.51`	K`	`used to ssh into my iphone 2g all the time when I was on tmobile`
`03:56.52`	`brianez21`	`cool`
`03:57.00`	K`	`using my dyndns hostname`
`03:57.05`	`dolfun`	`ssh or i return it`
`03:57.06`	`brianez21`	`isnt that insecure?`
`03:57.06`	K`	`onboard development`
`03:57.30`	K`	`its only as insecure at the user behind the wheel`
`03:57.39`	`AakashPatel`	`just like the n900`
`03:57.41`	`AakashPatel`	`;)`
`03:57.50`	K`	`the N900 is a dream`
`03:57.57`	`AakashPatel`	`looks down at his HTC Dream`
`03:57.59`	`AakashPatel`	`NO ITS NOT`
`03:58.01`	`AakashPatel`	`hahah`
`03:58.02`	`dolfun`	`have you seen nogravity remix?`
`03:58.02`	K`	`I tried to get "this" with my htc exce 5 years ago`
`03:58.03`	`brianez21`	`lol`
`03:58.22`	K`	`I liked that`
`03:58.26`	K`	`the pun`
`03:58.35`	`AakashPatel`	`:)`
`03:58.38`	`brianez21`	`=)`
`03:58.41`	`dolfun`	`n900 is ok`
`03:58.48`	`dolfun`	`it is what i want`
`03:58.58`	`brianez21`	`a shame it cant run android`
`03:58.58`	`AakashPatel`	`o.o`
`03:58.58`	K`	`haven't seen an irc client for it yet that runs`
`03:59.00`	`brianez21`	`would make a good dev phone to dual boot with`
`03:59.00`	`AakashPatel`	`n900 is a beast`
`03:59.08`	`AakashPatel`	K`: make one!
`03:59.17`	K`	`AakashPatel I surely might`
`03:59.19`	`AakashPatel`	`I'm currently making a fully integrated Google Voice app for it`
`03:59.21`	K`	`its on my project list`
`03:59.25`	`dolfun`	`i keep a lot of windows open on n900`
`03:59.34`	`dolfun`	`nice fast task switching`
`03:59.41`	K`	`ha ha AakashPatel`
`03:59.45`	K`	`thats also on my list :)`
`03:59.51`	`AakashPatel`	`Nowai`
`03:59.52`	`AakashPatel`	`its mine`
`03:59.54`	`AakashPatel`	`f' off`
`03:59.55`	`AakashPatel`	`hehe`
`03:59.57`	K`	`lol`
`04:00.01`	`dolfun`	`not so much web 2.0 here`
`04:00.03`	`brianez21`	`fight to the death!`
`04:00.06`	`brianez21`	`may the best app win!`
`04:00.14`	`AakashPatel`	K`: some of us have offical api's though ;)
`04:00.18`	`AakashPatel`	`whistles`
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`04:00.31`	`dolfun`	`i am happy for competition`
`04:00.33`	`brianez21`	`well I hope I get someone to buy the N900`
`04:00.39`	`brianez21`	`from me`
`04:00.42`	K`	`yea, I would have just been parsing html`
`04:00.51`	K`	`the voice apis aren't public?`
`04:00.53`	`AakashPatel`	`Nope`
`04:00.54`	`johnx`	`I think xchat is mostly there`
`04:00.55`	`brianez21`	K`: not really a good idea. what if they change their html?
`04:00.57`	K`	`damn`
`04:00.58`	`johnx`	`it just needs a little cleanup`
`04:01.05`	K`	`brianez21 it just has to be done`
`04:01.08`	K`	`if it happens, I update`
`04:01.15`	K`	`clearly not as good as using an api`
`04:01.24`	`AakashPatel`	`:D`
`04:01.27`	K`	`but can be rapidly made and deployed`
`04:01.29`	`brianez21`	`didn't even know there /was/ an API`
`04:01.29`	`johnx`	`uhm, wasn't there just something announced about integrated google voice`
`04:01.35`	K`	`anyway, no point in duplicating someone elses effort`
`04:01.38`	`AakashPatel`	`brianez21: its...private >.>`
`04:01.39`	`johnx`	`something like "the one ring" or some silly name like that?`
`04:01.44`	K`	`my first app is a youmail interface`
`04:01.47`	K`	`that Im working on now`
`04:02.03`	`AakashPatel`	`johnx: huh? link?`
`04:02.10`	`johnx`	`it's in extras-devel`
`04:02.11`	`AakashPatel`	`johnx: oh that shiz sucks`
`04:02.15`	`AakashPatel`	`>.<`
`04:02.16`	K`	`plenty of time till I get around to a voice style app`
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`04:02.36`	`johnx`	`AakashPatel, you mean the implementation sucks? or sucks that someone beat you to it?`
`04:02.43`	`AakashPatel`	`implemenation`
`04:02.46`	`AakashPatel`	`sp error`
`04:02.48`	`AakashPatel`	`lol`
`04:02.54`	`AakashPatel`	`implementation*`
`04:03.13`	`AakashPatel`	`I believe they created their own dialer`
`04:03.22`	`johnx`	`that's dialcentral`
`04:03.28`	`AakashPatel`	`oh hm`
`04:03.33`	`AakashPatel`	`lemme look at the othero ne again`
`04:03.52`	`johnx`	`link in a sec`
`04:03.55`	`brianez21`	`ideally it would integrate into the existing phone app`
`04:03.57`	`johnx`	`...`
`04:03.59`	`johnx`	`http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-theonering/`
`04:04.42`	`AakashPatel`	`heh`
`04:04.45`	`johnx`	`it looks like they didn't get to the voip integration part, but if you helped them with that rather then blasting off on your own ... nudge, nudge`
`04:05.04`	`AakashPatel`	`Lol i would if i was allowed to disclose the API`
`04:05.15`	`johnx`	`aaah, so your app will be closed source?`
`04:05.15`	`brianez21`	`you work for google?`
`04:05.29`	`AakashPatel`	`johnx: unfortunately, yes`
`04:05.34`	`AakashPatel`	`brianez21: Nah`
`04:05.38`	`AakashPatel`	`I know a guy`
`04:05.44`	`johnx`	`ouch. will they open the API eventually?`
`04:06.03`	`AakashPatel`	`johnx: I really dont know on that`
`04:06.11`	`johnx`	`ugh :/`
`04:06.17`	`johnx`	`that's a lame situation all around`
`04:06.25`	`AakashPatel`	`eh yeah :/`
`04:06.29`	`brianez21`	`:/`
`04:06.35`	`AakashPatel`	`:\`
`04:06.39`	`AakashPatel`	`lulz`
`04:07.12`	`johnx`	`I wonder how feasible it is to put the part that talks to google into kind of a black-box style blob...`
`04:07.16`	`johnx`	`anyways, off now`
`04:07.22`	`brianez21`	`bye`
`04:07.25`	`AakashPatel`	`cya`
`04:07.32`	`AakashPatel`	`johnx: i dunno`
`04:07.37`	`AakashPatel`	`ill look into it`
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`04:13.59`	K`	`AakashPatel you happen to know if the FM transmitter can be accessed via maemo sdk?`
`04:14.30`	K`	`namely I just want to turn it on, Im hoping that it automatically transmits any audio through PA`
`04:15.06`	`AakashPatel`	`Hmmm I don't actually, never looked into that`
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`04:15.42`	`AakashPatel`	`Sorry.`
`04:20.54`	K`	`thats ok`
`04:21.07`	K`	`I have a lot of documentation to read tonight and tomorrow`
`04:21.19`	`AakashPatel`	`Haha.`
`04:21.45`	K`	`onboard dev tools are a godsend, I can at least work AT work :)`
`04:22.00`	K`	`the sandbox is sooo slow`
`04:22.00`	`AakashPatel`	`:D`
`04:22.16`	`AakashPatel`	`sandbox?`
`04:22.29`	K`	`the sdk emulation`
`04:22.33`	`AakashPatel`	`scratchbox ;)`
`04:22.43`	K`	`yes, scratchbox`
`04:22.55`	`dolfun`	`ow browser save 20MB pdf to /var/tmp`
`04:22.57`	K`	`you'll have to pardon my slip there, been working with the iphone for 2 years`
`04:23.14`	`AakashPatel`	`Haha it's cool, I came from the Android world.`
`04:23.28`	K`	`funny story, it was a split between android and maemo on friday`
`04:23.42`	`dolfun`	`mimetype non-exe, large file- mydocs tmp?`
`04:23.58`	`AakashPatel`	`Haha yeah, I had the Android Dev Phone 1, but it was so damn slow after a while and Maemo reminded me of full desktop linux.`
`04:24.30`	`dolfun`	`i dont like the devices with a strapdown abuse device mentality`
`04:25.13`	`dolfun`	`yes, this is like my linux pc`
`04:25.16`	`dolfun`	`i am happy`
`04:26.52`	`dolfun`	`maybe i boot to console and run fbxine and tin and irssi`
`04:28.35`	`GAN900`	K`, it's not an emulator.
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`04:30.43`	K`	`so its a maemo x86 built binaries running in an enclosed X display set to the same resolution`
`04:30.52`	K`	`I though somehwere I had read that qemu was in use`
`04:30.59`	K`	`anyway, thats not important`
`04:31.17`	K`	`what is important is that its slow, and Im not sure if this is normal, or just the older system I happen to have debian on`
`04:35.26`	`dolfun`	`understanding sdk is important`
`04:36.46`	`dolfun`	`if you need integrated debugging you probably want x86 sdk target`
`04:37.07`	`dolfun`	`it you want to do a lot of testing on device use armel target`
`04:38.15`	`AakashPatel`	`I don't think the Armel target boots on Xypher`
`04:39.17`	`AakashPatel`	`s/Xypher/Xephyr`
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`04:45.38`	`dolfun`	`i used to run armel +xephyr`
`04:45.43`	`dolfun`	`same protocol`
`04:46.12`	`dolfun`	`just needs a display`
`04:46.34`	`dolfun`	`but proof of pudding is running on device`
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`06:05.44`	`dolfun`	`i install new u.4 debjelper with make install`
`06:05.49`	`dolfun`	`7.4`
`06:06.12`	`dolfun`	`dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper`
`06:06.54`	`dolfun`	`i edited control to req dh 5`
`06:12.14`	`dolfun`	`ah well quicksynergy seems to work`
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`06:36.40`	`RST38h`	`ABC News is reporting that Al Qaeda sewed about 80 grams of PETN, an explosive that's similar to nitro-glycerin, into the Nigerian attacker's underwear.`
`06:36.49`	`RST38h`	`Oh shit I saw it coming`
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`06:43.08`	`JoshTriplett`	`Against which bugzilla product/component should I file bugs about the desktop (meaning the bits that host desktop widgets, backgrounds, the Manage Views dialog, etc)?`
`06:44.30`	`0660	`RST38h, I think someone just pulled a practical joke to that poor nigerian guy :)`
`06:45.22`	`0660	`what would be more funny than frying someones balls at 10km`
`06:47.47`	`RST38h`	`More funny?`
`06:48.08`	`RST38h`	`Mandated cavity searches of all passengers by TSA will definitely be funnier`
`06:48.18`	`RST38h`	`And that is where things are going`
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`06:52.50`	`luke-jr`	`!`
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`07:15.51`	`RST38h`	`Somebody compiled Asterisk for N900. But...WHY?`
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`08:09.56`	`pwnguin`	`ok, i feel better about available n900 apps after browsing the top paid android apps`
`08:10.07`	`pwnguin`	`really, a lighter?`
`08:10.42`	`RST38h`	`Ah, it goes on: TSA Wants You To Keep Your Seat, and Your Hands In Sight`
`08:13.17`	`pwnguin`	`you know, i recall eating at a tgi fridays behind security in 2004`
`08:13.45`	`pwnguin`	`if terrorists order a steak, that'd be a quick steak knife for the win.`
`08:14.58`	`RST38h`	`only if they manage to get to the deep frier and use it to blow the place up`
`08:21.54`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: naah. before the 1 hour before landing shutdown, go for it`
`08:21.55`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
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`08:41.54`	`RST38h`	`Stskeeps: I will just fly Aeroflot for now :)`
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`08:48.25`	`Stskeeps`	`oh man, the bomber stored the material nearby his testicles`
`08:48.29`	`Stskeeps`	`in his underwear`
`08:48.39`	`RST38h`	`That is what I keep telling`
`08:48.41`	`Stskeeps`	`security searches will now officially be crap`
`08:48.41`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`08:49.12`	`RST38h`	`I am afraid it is strip searches now, with the full scale cavity search after the next attempt`
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`08:49.53`	`Stskeeps`	`well, for a dane i can probably stand being naked amongst a lot of guys, but i've seen dutch people who couldn't stand the thought of common changing rooms..`
`08:49.57`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`08:50.21`	`Stskeeps`	`where was that tutorial for multiple scratchbox targets again..`
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`09:17.12`	`Hautameki`	`hi`
`09:18.38`	`Hautameki`	`does someone know if nativ syncml support for http/s will be supported and in which release?`
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`09:21.45`	`Hautameki`	`for me the lack of this is killer...`
`09:22.29`	`xorAxAx`	`you could port syncevolution to the n900`
`09:22.30`	`Stskeeps`	`DEALBREAKER!`
`09:22.41`	`Stskeeps`	`Hautameki: there's a thread on syncevolution on maemo-developers`
`09:22.53`	`Hautameki`	`espacially considered that every s60 phone can do syncml 1.1 and 1.2 ovwr ip`
`09:24.08`	`Hautameki`	`k`
`09:24.27`	`Hautameki`	`i will have a look at it`
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`09:25.12`	`Hautameki`	`but i want to understand why this support is not there.`
`09:25.43`	`Hautameki`	`n900 is sold as the new flagship.....`
`09:25.51`	`Stskeeps`	`no, it's actually not :P`
`09:26.24`	`Hautameki`	`not?`
`09:26.45`	`Stskeeps`	`but why it's not there? cos reaching feature parity with symbian would take a long time and it was probably better to release earlier than reach for perfection`
`09:27.19`	`xorAxAx`	`also the community provides a solution here, bla bla bla`
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`09:28.36`	`Hautameki`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:28.55`	`Hautameki`	`i am not happy twith nokias strat!`
`09:29.06`	`Stskeeps`	`oh well? :P`
`09:29.18`	`Hautameki`	`there is no cron on n900`
`09:29.29`	`Stskeeps`	`no, there's libalarm`
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`09:30.07`	`Hautameki`	`and libalarm can do what?`
`09:30.24`	`Stskeeps`	`it can wake up the device at needed times`
`09:30.36`	`Stskeeps`	`traditional cron doesn't work nicely with a mobile device`
`09:31.06`	`Hautameki`	`k. is there a frontend for libarlaem?`
`09:31.15`	`Stskeeps`	`alarmtool i think`
`09:31.15`	`Stskeeps`	`brb`
`09:31.21`	`Hautameki`	`thx`
`09:31.27`	`Hautameki`	`afk`
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`09:39.12`	`swc\|666`	`where are the default ringtones stored on the n900?`
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`09:44.07`	`RST38h`	`..`
`09:44.14`	`RST38h`	`.sounds ?`
`09:44.46`	`swc\|666`	`RST38h, yea i guess i somehow wiped mine out then :/`
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`10:03.47`	`Stskeeps`	`takes another swing at hacking the gl drivers`
`10:07.36`	`Hautameki`	`libalarm frontend is called dsmetool`
`10:07.40`	`Hautameki`	`fiy...`
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`10:13.03`	`Stskeeps`	`nah`
`10:13.05`	`Stskeeps`	`dsmetool is for dsme`
`10:14.09`	`bigbrovar`	`how can i create a playlist on N900? the default music player doesnt make it that easy`
`10:22.01`	`RST38h`	`hehe`
`10:22.10`	`RST38h`	`You can create a playlist but cannot remove anything from it`
`10:26.22`	`RST38h`	`Hehe: http://www.t3.com/features-gallery.html?articleId=7407&pic=/images/nokia_770_internet_tablet.jpg&id=22`
`10:26.28`	`RST38h`	`"No touchscreen, no bluetooth..."`
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`10:27.20`	`RST38h`	`"Overall, a good idea but not really thought through by Nokia, even though the company still persists with the range."`
`10:27.21`	`RST38h`	`No shit, Sherlock...`
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`10:31.11`	`wazd_`	`heya all`
`10:32.39`	`fdv`	`what is actually the main purpose of extras-devel? it seems to me to serve two different purposes, one being a staging area for possibly unstable packages, and another being a repo for dev tools.`
`10:33.27`	`RST38h`	`heya wazd`
`10:33.38`	`RST38h`	`fdv: the first`
`10:33.45`	`RST38h`	`there is a separate repo for stable dev tools`
`10:34.00`	`fdv`	`ah. which is it?`
`10:34.50`	`fdv`	`tools and sdk?`
`10:35.33`	`wazd_`	`hehe, today two 1oK Milestones will be broken :)`
`10:35.38`	`wazd_`	`10*`
`10:37.17`	`RST38h`	`Motorola Milestones?`
`10:37.32`	`RST38h`	`10k is kinda low for these`
`10:37.33`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: yeah :D`
`10:39.09`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: the funny fact is that my pretty niche blog is actually more popular than Eldar's LJ :)`
`10:39.32`	`thresh`	`'muldar', say it right`
`10:40.48`	`RST38h`	`wazd: How do you know?`
`10:40.57`	`RST38h`	`is against calling people names, sorry`
`10:41.28`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: he has yandex counter on his page`
`10:43.15`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: but I guess when he'll write something about another stolen device - I'd be less popular ofcourse :D`
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`10:43.55`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hello`
`10:44.06`	`wazd_`	`LuciusMare_n900: hi`
`10:44.13`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hey wazd`
`10:44.18`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Oh well`
`10:44.38`	`RST38h`	`wazd: He has published at least one semi-amusing link lately`
`10:46.20`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`semi-amusing?`
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`10:46.50`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hm`
`10:47.13`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`so back to what i wanted to ask at first`
`10:47.15`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: the only thing that was amusing for me lately in the internets was a font designer joke :)`
`10:47.31`	`RST38h`	`?`
`10:48.02`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Well, I got a certain antropological kick out of that gallery...`
`10:48.21`	`RST38h`	`In the "Achtung! They live among us!" sense`
`10:49.17`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`i wanted to use the n900 as a ir remote,but my remote's not in the database - so i wanted to use the irrecord utility,but i ran into a few problems.`
`10:50.03`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions) - permissions of what?`
`10:51.00`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: Font designer comes to the psychiatrist and says: "Doc you must help me! I'm going mad! Wherever I look I see only fonts, fonts! FONTS!" "Please, relax, take a seat. Now take a deep breath, close your eyes and visualize the quick brown fox that jumps over the lazy dog"`
`10:51.17`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`wazd_: haha`
`10:51.44`	`RST38h`	`wazd: eek!`
`10:52.16`	`RST38h`	`wazd: "It must be Photoshop, there is no way you could take a picture of 5 children and a dog! -- No, not a Photoshop. Taxidermy!"`
`10:52.43`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`:)`
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`10:56.01`	`RST38h`	`Finally, a nice company name: iToo`
`10:58.50`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`iGiveUp`
`10:59.02`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`huh`
`10:59.12`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`-sh: man: not found`
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`11:03.24`	`Stskeeps`	`LuciusMare_n900: man pages on device is a waste`
`11:06.31`	`RST38h`	`"ii) All interior guards are to have canine teeth filed until blunted completely."`
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`11:09.03`	`johnx`	`not really a waste on the 32GB of flash maybe ;)`
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`11:10.59`	`johnx`	`gwah. it's been so long since I've sat at my own desktop that typing on my keyboard feels strange compared to my work laptop :/`
`11:12.02`	`Hautameki`	`hi`
`11:12.15`	`Hautameki`	`is someone here who uses canola2?`
`11:12.26`	`johnx`	`yup. what's the question?`
`11:12.57`	`Hautameki`	`can u add files from folders to the "go list"?`
`11:13.27`	`Hautameki`	`for me the added songs doesnt play and canola2 has to be killed`
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`11:13.58`	`johnx`	`are you using the latest version?`
`11:14.07`	`Hautameki`	`but only for the asongs added from folders. not thruw id3.`
`11:14.13`	`Hautameki`	`yes. i think so`
`11:14.23`	`Hautameki`	`lattest version in the repo`
`11:14.29`	`Khertan`	`Hello !`
`11:14.33`	`Hautameki`	`hi`
`11:15.03`	`johnx`	`sorry, what do you mean by "the asongs added from folders. not thruw id3"?`
`11:15.10`	`Khertan`	`hum failed to install openarena data ... need 300Mo free in /var ouch :)`
`11:15.50`	`Khertan`	`does it help to download it elsewhere before ?`
`11:16.21`	`Hautameki`	`i dont like to organise my songs with id3. so i like to have a player in which i can browsw the filesystem. do u understnd?`
`11:16.30`	`Hautameki`	`sry. writting from n900`
`11:17.39`	`Hautameki`	`canola2 can do this. but songs added directly from fs to a playlist doesnt play and canola is dead`
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`11:17.50`	`johnx`	`no problem. so by "added from id3" you mean the songs that canola scanned for and added automatically?`
`11:18.17`	`johnx`	`actually, what would be best is if you could tell me exactly the steps to reproduce the problem :)`
`11:18.58`	`Hautameki`	`k. i try but takes some time cause i am not at home`
`11:19.53`	`johnx`	`so if I open canola, browse by folder, and tap-n-hold and try to add that song to a playlist, then canola will crash? is that what you're saying?`
`11:21.58`	`Hautameki`	`not exactly. the way is correct, but it dont really crashes. if i then go to "playlist" "on the move" and play a song added as u described. then canola cant play it`
`11:22.44`	`Hautameki`	`and cant play any other song unless i restart canola`
`11:23.07`	`johnx`	`and this is on the N900 or N8x0?`
`11:23.16`	`Hautameki`	`on the n900`
`11:24.34`	`Hautameki`	`do u have the same problem?`
`11:24.55`	`johnx`	`well, I just put my music in one folder and hit shuffle ;)`
`11:25.09`	`johnx`	`but I'll see if I can reproduce the bug you just described`
`11:25.13`	`dolfun`	`many 3rd party apps are not ready`
`11:25.29`	`dolfun`	`vncviewer`
`11:25.31`	`johnx`	`dolfun, often, the sky is blue`
`11:25.44`	`Hautameki`	`?`
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`11:26.52`	`dolfun`	`the voting process to extras is a good innovation`
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`11:27.28`	`Hautameki`	`if noone talks about it, the dev wouldnt go on...`
`11:27.38`	`Hautameki`	`hiw can i vote?`
`11:28.21`	`dolfun`	`for eg i got stuck in vncviewer and it steals focus from poweroff emergency screen`
`11:28.41`	`dolfun`	`google extras testing voting`
`11:30.01`	`dolfun`	`http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/`
`11:30.18`	`johnx`	`Hautameki, so I can reproduce part of the bug. If I add a song from browse-by-folder to the playlist, then try to play that song from the playlist canola doesn't play it. but if I go to other parts of canola I can still play music as normal`
`11:30.51`	`dolfun`	`thrashing n900 atm`
`11:31.43`	`dolfun`	`device unusably slow yet top reports nothing`
`11:31.47`	`dolfun`	`bbl`
`11:33.57`	`johnx`	`anything in I/O wait in top?`
`11:34.41`	`johnx`	`and/or sort by memory used (shift-m) and look at whether something is leaking memory`
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`11:36.08`	`RST38h`	`ah I know this problem!`
`11:36.13`	`RST38h`	`looking at it right now in fact`
`11:36.36`	`dolfun`	`reboot solved`
`11:36.49`	`johnx`	`RST38h, browserd? flash gotten out of control? I might have run into it in the past so I'm curious...`
`11:37.04`	`RST38h`	`no`
`11:37.07`	`RST38h`	`htop shows nothing`
`11:37.11`	`RST38h`	`no browser`
`11:37.24`	`RST38h`	`yet, after 4 or so days of uptime, the device becomes sluggish`
`11:37.25`	`johnx`	`dolfun, except you're still no closer to knowing what happened... :P`
`11:37.40`	`RST38h`	`there are visible delays starting applications, and even the video starts skipping every now and then`
`11:38.06`	`RST38h`	`konttori says it may be an X pixmaps leak`
`11:38.14`	`Hautameki`	`thx johnx.`
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`11:38.22`	`dolfun`	`i had clutter paused in a transition 20 seconds`
`11:38.22`	`RST38h`	`I am currently waiting for N900 to slow down again so that I can analyze`
`11:38.30`	`dolfun`	`blurred terminal/bg`
`11:38.40`	`Hautameki`	`do u know if the devel of canola is still active?`
`11:38.47`	`autoguy`	`Hello. An odd question - does anyone know if the N900 stylus is the same as the N800? I lost mine (for the N900) :-(`
`11:38.48`	`RST38h`	`bug #6382`
`11:38.49`	`povbot`	`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382 Device becomes sluggish after several days`
`11:38.59`	`RST38h`	`Here is the bug. Go comment on it.`
`11:39.04`	`dolfun`	`hmmm`
`11:39.06`	`RST38h`	`autoguy: different.`
`11:39.11`	`johnx`	`Hautameki, yup. they just released the 2.0 final a couple days (weeks?) ago. You should definitely file a bug report with them`
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`11:39.31`	`autoguy`	`Nooo :( Thanks for the answer anyway. Hope replacements will be sold`
`11:40.00`	`johnx`	`they never widely sold replacements for the N800. I'm surprised you found one of those for sale`
`11:40.36`	`autoguy`	`Actually I didn't - an advertisement said the SU-35 (which is for the X5800) was compatible with N800. The ad might be wrong`
`11:40.40`	`johnx`	`RST38h, it's been happening to me a bit, phone app taking time to start up. I thought it was browserd or maps related though.`
`11:40.46`	`dolfun`	`mine was not on for several days`
`11:40.51`	`RST38h`	`johnx: apparently it is not`
`11:41.08`	`RST38h`	`johnx: But do comment on the bug as well: looks like it may be a serious hindrance`
`11:41.18`	`konttori`	`RST38h: I really don't think it is X leak. That was just a guess related to that we had x leaks just before sales launch. But those were all plugged to my knowledge. It might still be that some app (non-nokia) is leaking.`
`11:41.19`	`johnx`	`it was a huge PITA, for sure`
`11:41.51`	`RST38h`	`konttori: I am at the second day after reboot right now.`
`11:41.52`	`dolfun`	`bug does not match my observation`
`11:41.59`	`konttori`	`Is you have clutter jams, that's a sure sign of SGX driver restart loop.`
`11:42.07`	`RST38h`	`konttori: Will give it a couple more days and then let us revisit this and dig it a little`
`11:42.16`	`dolfun`	`k see`
`11:42.18`	`RST38h`	`So far, I know that htop shows nothing serious`
`11:42.31`	`johnx`	`I tried killing browserd (and letting it respawn) and things haven't slugged down quite as badly again, but it's also possible it was the placebo effect at work in my case`
`11:42.54`	`RST38h`	`johnx: It becomes a huge pita when taking pictures: once you make the first picture and the thumbnailer starts up, taking the second happens with ~30sec delay`
`11:43.10`	`RST38h`	`johnx: I.e. you press the camera button, nothing happens for 30 seconds`
`11:43.22`	`RST38h`	`reboot the phone => everything back to normal`
`11:43.30`	`johnx`	`I was getting a 30 second wait after opening the shutter cover`
`11:43.34`	`johnx`	`s/shutter/lens/`
`11:43.41`	`RST38h`	`yea`
`11:43.44`	`dolfun`	`i am back to instant camera`
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`11:44.00`	`dolfun`	`all normal`
`11:45.21`	`johnx`	`wow, has anyone ever heard the "shutter" sound stutter/loop painfully for 10 seconds while taking a pic?`
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`11:46.12`	`RST38h`	`yea, here`
`11:46.26`	`RST38h`	`also happens when the device has been on for several days`
`11:46.30`	`johnx`	`do you have camkeyd installed?`
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`11:48.25`	`RST38h`	`no`
`11:48.51`	`johnx`	`good. I guess that exonerates it then :)`
`11:48.57`	`johnx`	`I really didn't want to give it up`
`11:51.37`	`RST38h`	`is autobuilder dead or is it just a slow day?`
`11:52.31`	`johnx`	`Hautameki, well, canola 2.0 is in extras for fremantle, so I think that means it's pretty stable`
`11:52.42`	`johnx`	`their website has always been horribly out of date`
`11:52.55`	`johnx`	`since beta9 there was a beta11 and a couple RC releases before 2.0`
`11:54.36`	`Hautameki`	`ahhh. so the version from extras should be the latest? is there a way to get sources from svn or something?`
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`11:55.28`	`Hautameki`	`i am too aon xchat`
`11:56.20`	`johnx`	`aah, when you said "lirc" I assumed it was a windows IRC client I hadn't heard of ;)`
`11:56.53`	`johnx`	`yeah. the version from extras is the latest I think. I don't know where they keep their svn repo`
`11:59.55`	`johnx`	`for the "slow after 7 days" thing, I have this weird feeling about it just being high memory pressure`
`12:00.25`	`RST38h`	`no`
`12:00.28`	`RST38h`	`not according to htop`
`12:03.58`	`johnx`	`I'm getting a lot of io wait when opening the "camera app" after having closed it just seconds ago`
`12:04.22`	`johnx`	`and keep in mind, with swappiness set to 100 it doesn't take much memory pressure to get things swapped out`
`12:06.22`	`dolfun`	`i have all mounts quite full with large files`
`12:06.30`	`RST38h`	`johnx: Whatever it is, it is wrong.`
`12:06.47`	`dolfun`	`well it must be triggerable`
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`12:07.15`	`johnx`	`RST38h, inclined to agree with you. ;) I think it really is just something, somewhere leaking quietly`
`12:07.21`	`johnx`	`I'd like to look at the output of atop`
`12:07.23`	`RST38h`	`yea`
`12:07.40`	`johnx`	`I find it much more helpful than htop or busybox top (spit!)`
`12:07.43`	`RST38h`	`johnx: let us wait for a few more days until my device gets stale`
`12:08.04`	`johnx`	`mine is at 16 days uptime and it's quite easy to cause it to get bogged down`
`12:08.38`	`johnx`	`I've been purposefully doing that and watching the busybox top output in terms of I/O wait as it tries to start the camera app that I just closed a minute or so ago`
`12:09.03`	`RST38h`	`oh, you have got a stale one?`
`12:09.23`	`RST38h`	`care to install xrestop ?`
`12:09.28`	`johnx`	`sure`
`12:09.36`	`RST38h`	`(and libxres I guess, but they are both tiny)`
`12:09.53`	`johnx`	`and if you have the sdk at hand, a quick compile of atop would be awesome too :D`
`12:10.31`	`johnx`	`soooo, where do I get xrestop from?`
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`12:11.18`	`RST38h`	`johnx: the sdk repo I guess`
`12:11.35`	`RST38h`	`http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/x/xrestop/`
`12:14.06`	`johnx`	`installed`
`12:14.18`	`johnx`	`what do you want me to do with it? :)`
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`12:15.34`	`johnx`	`that's pitifully small: it's claiming 4MB of pixmaps, and 52KB of "Other"`
`12:16.50`	`ShadowJK`	`has 25 days uptime on n900`
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`12:17.47`	`johnx`	`how long is it taking you to start the camera?`
`12:17.58`	`BluesLee`	`is there a non commercial xls reader available on the n900?`
`12:18.30`	`wazd_`	`konttori: heya`
`12:19.12`	`wazd_`	`konttori: I've found a small bug in TM btw :)`
`12:20.39`	`ShadowJK`	`it took about 15 swconds`
`12:21.10`	`ShadowJK`	`a nontrivial amount of swapin/swapout took place`
`12:21.29`	`johnx`	`when's the last time you used it?`
`12:21.31`	`wazd_`	`konttori: http://i060.radikal.ru/0910/a8/d2aa5fa5955e.png I you'll look closely at the volume bar`
`12:21.35`	`wazd_`	`if*`
`12:21.47`	`johnx`	`and for the grand prize: try it again in a couple minutes and see if it takes almost as long`
`12:22.39`	`wazd_`	`konttori: you'll see that the knob is misplaced`
`12:23.13`	`wazd_`	`konttori: I doubt that you can notice it on n900, but anyway :)`
`12:23.38`	`ShadowJK`	`johnx: a few days ago`
`12:23.52`	`ShadowJK`	`it was less than a second to startup now`
`12:24.01`	`johnx`	`eh, well that's not too bad then`
`12:24.12`	`johnx`	`maybe I just beat on my N900 more in terms of app load`
`12:24.54`	`johnx`	`I still thought it was faster than 15 seconds right after a reboot`
`12:25.39`	`johnx`	`in that case the whole camera app would have to be loaded from flash (or is it supposed to run as some daemon?)`
`12:25.46`	`RST38h`	`johnx: what is the total number of pixmaps though/`
`12:25.50`	`RST38h`	`?`
`12:26.17`	`RST38h`	`ShadowJK: Ok, so you are suffering from the same bug`
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`12:27.05`	`johnx`	`RST38h, pretend I'm dumb: where do I see that in xrestop?`
`12:27.20`	`RST38h`	`johnx: You add up the numbers in Pixmaps column =)`
`12:27.36`	`johnx`	`bah! :P`
`12:28.13`	`dolfun`	`i like it now that i lowered crawler priorities`
`12:28.19`	`ShadowJK`	`heh, camera-ui is left running after closing camera, with 10 megs of rss`
`12:28.19`	`ShadowJK`	`so it's swapping that back in when opening lens cover, after not using it for a few days I'd guess`
`12:28.22`	`ShadowJK`	`(and swapping out browserd or whatever)`
`12:28.25`	`dolfun`	`but that probably causes problems`
`12:28.31`	`johnx`	`(+ 28 7 315 2 519 16 10 11 3 3 6 3 12 1 3 1 1 1 0 1 1)`
`12:28.41`	`RST38h`	`Ah, that is a lot`
`12:28.53`	`RST38h`	`I have got about 320 total after startup`
`12:29.02`	`johnx`	`really`
`12:29.03`	`RST38h`	`You have got more like 900`
`12:29.14`	`johnx`	`how many desktop applets are you running?`
`12:29.19`	`RST38h`	`I guess 315 is sapwood? Who is taking 519?`
`12:29.28`	`Ceron`	`http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/cowlick.jpg`
`12:29.30`	`RST38h`	`mmm...2`
`12:29.45`	`johnx`	`I'm running most of the ones that are available`
`12:29.59`	`dolfun`	`what repo has xrestop`
`12:30.05`	`johnx`	`SDK repo`
`12:30.07`	`dolfun`	`i must be missi`
`12:30.11`	`ShadowJK`	`RST38h, I'm not sure I'd call it a bug`
`12:30.37`	`dolfun`	`ohh maybe i dont add sdk repo`
`12:30.48`	`johnx`	`don't add the SDK repo to your device`
`12:30.56`	`johnx`	`just download the package and install with dpkg`
`12:31.00`	`dolfun`	`k`
`12:31.44`	`johnx`	`unless things have changed quite a bit, the SDK repo contains lots of things that are mutually exclusive with necessary stuff on the device`
`12:32.17`	`johnx`	`RST38h, I'm gonna head to sleep unless you want me to run any other test`
`12:33.48`	`dolfun`	`i dont waht to mess with libx+`
`12:34.12`	`johnx`	`libxres is safe to install`
`12:36.01`	`ShadowJK`	`Pixmaps: 6828K total, Other: 83K total, All: 6912K total`
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`12:41.26`	`Vengeful`	`there is someone like me who can't reflash the emmc of the n900?`
`12:41.43`	`dolfun`	`yes`
`12:41.56`	`Vengeful`	`and... it's normal? :D`
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`12:42.30`	`dolfun`	`no`
`12:42.39`	`Vengeful`	`i mean`
`12:42.45`	`Vengeful`	`i can only reflash the firmware`
`12:42.52`	`dolfun`	`t w`
`12:43.24`	`Vengeful`	`geez... i realized after a while that i should ask for a replace...`
`12:43.33`	`Vengeful`	`want to erase the personal data...`
`12:43.37`	`Vengeful`	`stupid random reboots.`
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`12:44.37`	`jello69`	`vengeful tru file manager`
`12:44.40`	`jello69`	`try`
`12:45.10`	`Vengeful`	`i wished to left the terminal in factory conditions`
`12:45.18`	`Vengeful`	`i removed some widget and other things too...`
`12:45.28`	`Vengeful`	`oh well... not my business anymore :D`
`12:45.51`	`RST38h`	`johnx: sleep well :)`
`12:46.10`	`RST38h`	`ShadowJK: Well, in my case everything becomes slow after a few days, video, app manager, even xterm`
`12:46.24`	`RST38h`	`Camera is just the most visible app`
`12:47.20`	`Vengeful`	`i wonder if the 32wd_to error is really an hw failure...`
`12:47.51`	`jello69`	`how do i delete my data is not @question i like to answer str8ght`
`12:48.31`	`swc\|666`	`Vengeful, i had the isue as well but for me the pmconfig hax fixed it`
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`12:48.57`	`ShadowJK`	`RST38h, so it's even slow on next start?`
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`12:49.17`	`ShadowJK`	`(next being within a minute or something)`
`12:49.36`	`RST38h`	`ShadowJK: yes`
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`12:49.50`	`RST38h`	`ShadowJK: I have to wait for ~10 second just to start an XTErm`
`12:50.25`	`ShadowJK`	`In my case it's just things I haven't used in awhile that are slow to startup`
`12:50.41`	`RST38h`	`Definitely not so here`
`12:51.12`	`Vengeful`	`swc\|666`
`12:51.27`	`Vengeful`	`but buttery life sucks with the off mode trick`
`12:51.50`	`swc\|666`	`Vengeful, not for me .. then again i only use the data connection when needed`
`12:52.08`	`jello69`	`what does pmconfig fix ?`
`12:52.12`	`Vengeful`	`ok then`
`12:52.23`	`Vengeful`	`i did 12 hours with 2G + wifi +bluetooth active`
`12:52.27`	`Vengeful`	`is that normal?`
`12:52.35`	`swc\|666`	`jello69, it turns of power management frequency changing/scaling`
`12:52.35`	`Vengeful`	`standby i mean`
`12:52.36`	`ShadowJK`	`Yes, it's probably a hw failure`
`12:52.59`	`jello69`	`i want powerasaving`
`12:53.05`	`Vengeful`	`it seems to me that some cpus can't handle "the minimum"`
`12:53.09`	`Vengeful`	`just my 2 cents`
`12:53.10`	`Corsac`	`hhmh, did someone try http://maemo.org/packages/view/google-album-art-downloader/ ?`
`12:53.18`	`swc\|666`	`Vengeful, i can do ~48 hours with just the phone modem on`
`12:53.43`	`Vengeful`	`so something goes wrong with mine`
`12:54.08`	`jello69`	`12 hours with what use`
`12:54.14`	`jello69`	`weong conclusion`
`12:54.26`	`jello69`	`swc is fos`
`12:54.34`	`jello69`	`no use occurs`
`12:54.35`	`Vengeful`	`12 hours with 2G (but i need 3G) + wifi + bluetooth`
`12:54.36`	`swc\|666`	`say what?`
`12:54.51`	`jello69`	`you do not use device 48 hours`
`12:54.52`	`Vengeful`	`and NO calls`
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`12:55.31`	`jello69`	`maybe setting it down 48`
`12:55.42`	`swc\|666`	`jello69, with a few calls a day, i've had my phone benchmarked @ ~48hrs without a recharge dude.. you don't believe me? i dont fsckin care shrug`
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`12:56.02`	`jello69`	`setting it down 48 then`
`12:56.53`	`wazd_`	`any sane reason for WiFi+3G?`
`12:57.02`	`jello69`	`dont give people stupid ideas swc`
`12:57.10`	`swc\|666`	`jello69, bite me`
`12:57.47`	`wazd_`	`Stskeeps: around?`
`13:00.35`	`ShadowJK`	`"with 2g", "with 3g" is a poor description. For example, having xchat running will prevent the CPU from reaching off mode, and having xchat in several highly active channels will empty the battery in about 4 hours, even if the total amount of data transfer is less than 1 megabyte and the CPU use is almost non-existent...`
`13:00.41`	`jello69`	`people need to learn minimum charge is maybe 3-4 hours`
`13:00.53`	`ShadowJK`	`It's not the amount of data, or the amount of CPU time used... It's the usage pattern that matters`
`13:01.10`	`jello69`	`everything beyond that is their use pattern`
`13:01.11`	`Stskeeps`	`wazd_: mm?`
`13:01.23`	`RST38h`	`xchat probably needs to be made to go to sleep`
`13:01.32`	`ShadowJK`	`RST38h, yes`
`13:01.41`	`ShadowJK`	`that'd fix it as far as CPU goes`
`13:01.48`	`wazd_`	`Stskeeps: I've built Marina`
`13:01.52`	`wazd_`	`Stskeeps: kind of`
`13:01.58`	`jello69`	`it can sleep @few secs before disconnect`
`13:02.08`	`wazd_`	`Stskeeps: still no deb though :)`
`13:02.29`	`ShadowJK`	`even if xchat has 0 servers 0 channels connected it prevents CPU from off mode`
`13:02.37`	`ShadowJK`	`it has a timer running all the time`
`13:03.24`	`jello69`	`xchat is more for ocasional use`
`13:04.04`	`Stskeeps`	`wazd_: yeah, just zip up the dir and template`
`13:04.10`	`Stskeeps`	`and backgrounds`
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`13:04.35`	`LuciusMare`	`hi`
`13:04.36`	`jello69`	`can i submit ar'd debs...`
`13:05.00`	`jello69`	`i ant do dpm`
`13:05.00`	`jello69`	`cant`
`13:05.00`	`ShadowJK`	`I run it 24/7 on N900, using it on wifi and edge extends battery life enough`
`13:05.26`	`Stskeeps`	`whoa`
`13:05.49`	`Stskeeps`	`i just had n8x0 gl drivers work for a sec for me`
`13:05.59`	`Stskeeps`	`well, work better than before`
`13:06.26`	`LuciusMare`	`so,i want to make a new config file for irreco (lirc) for new remote. I was told i have to use irrecord,but before doing so,use mode2. So i did. However, /dev/lirc does not exist,only /dev/lirc0 .So i moved the lirc0 where mode2 expects is, and it told me to use --raw to access it rawly,without abstraction layer.So i did. But,when i point remote at the IR led,nothing appears on the screen.any ideas?`
`13:06.26`	`wazd_`	`Stskeeps: check out your gmail`
`13:06.34`	`Hautameki`	`is it possible to tell the n900 to stay on edge even when 3g is available?`
`13:06.45`	`jello69`	`"hi we screwed all commercial utility out of the drivers so here, too late"`
`13:07.05`	`jello69`	`better than nada`
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`13:08.54`	`ShadowJK`	`hautameki: setup -> phone -> network mode`
`13:09.45`	`ShadowJK`	`internet connection via edge/3g must be down to be able to change it`
`13:11.06`	`RST38h`	`!seen qwerty12`
`13:11.11`	`RST38h`	`~seen qwerty12`
`13:11.14`	`infobot`	`qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 18h 47m 15s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'.`
`13:11.26`	`RST38h`	`~seen qwerty12_n810`
`13:11.26`	`infobot`	`qwerty12_n810 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 35d 13h 38m 44s ago, saying: 'andre_: Erm, looks around. Maybe I can get him or her to reveal themselves with a piece of chocolate'.`
`13:11.31`	`RST38h`	`~seen qwerty12_n800`
`13:11.32`	`infobot`	`qwerty12_n800 <n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 171d 14h 59m 58s ago, saying: 'heh'.`
`13:11.36`	`RST38h`	`~seen qwerty12_n900`
`13:11.37`	`infobot`	`qwerty12_n900 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 24d 21h 21m 29s ago, saying: 'w00t: If it makes you happy, I have a picture of my N800, N810, and "my" N900 on a desk. Urge to kill rising?'.`
`13:11.38`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: IRCfobia, like I said :)`
`13:12.39`	`wazd_`	`ehehe`
`13:12.50`	`wazd_`	`has captured planet news :D`
`13:13.10`	`RST38h`	`no waaaay`
`13:14.02`	`wazd_`	`btw, I have an idea for t.m.o. theme modification`
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`13:14.38`	`wazd_`	`lets make post coloumn 456 pixels wide`
`13:14.50`	`wazd_`	`minimum`
`13:15.27`	`wazd_`	`so it will be as wide as tablet's portrait screen`
`13:16.08`	`RST38h`	`the current maemo.org-like t.m.o theme is better be completely scrapped`
`13:16.26`	`RST38h`	`not usable at all, good that there is classic vBulletin theme installed`
`13:16.34`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: do you want fresh Marina for testing btw? :)`
`13:16.44`	`RST38h`	`yea, send it over =)`
`13:17.03`	`wazd_`	`sounds like I'm giving you fresh virgin for sacrifice :D`
`13:17.59`	`RST38h`	`yessssss`
`13:18.17`	`Vengeful`	`uhmmm`
`13:18.40`	`Vengeful`	`but even replacing my faulty n900 how many chances i have that they don't give me another faulty one? :D`
`13:19.04`	`Vengeful`	`it's an issue of many?`
`13:22.17`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: catch`
`13:24.19`	`RST38h`	`got it`
`13:25.07`	`RST38h`	`is it a deb ?`
`13:25.20`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: no :(`
`13:25.36`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: deb builder still not responding`
`13:25.49`	`RST38h`	`oh, yes, it is stuck`
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`13:27.55`	`jello69`	`i love the dark theme`
`13:28.06`	`RST38h`	`http://gizmodo.com/5434773/is-your-kindle-spying-on-you-yes`
`13:28.40`	`jello69`	`t.m.o is very beautifu.`
`13:30.18`	`Corsac`	`hmhm, how are the thumbnailing services supposed to work?`
`13:30.25`	`Stskeeps`	`http://pastebin.com/m2da062e6 <- so, who here can tell me what that means? :) :)`
`13:30.30`	`Corsac`	`I installed the google albumart downloder but I don't know how to use it`
`13:30.43`	`Corsac`	`it's not running so I guess something has to activates it, but...`
`13:30.56`	`Stskeeps`	`(n8x0 users will want to see that)`
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`13:32.39`	`RST38h`	`Stskeeps: something went wrong`
`13:32.50`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: last line is ctrl-c`
`13:33.02`	`RST38h`	`ah`
`13:33.19`	`RST38h`	`So, you have got the OGLES drivers for n8x0 and everything works?`
`13:33.30`	`Stskeeps`	`well, not 100%, there's a kernel layer issue we need to look at`
`13:33.38`	`Stskeeps`	`i did get it to render though`
`13:34.03`	`RST38h`	`ooooooooooooooooooh`
`13:34.14`	`RST38h`	`coooooooooool`
`13:35.46`	`jello69`	`is there alignment forcing for rx51 /proc`
`13:36.22`	`jello69`	`same code works with arn1136j-s`
`13:36.26`	`jello69`	`arm`
`13:36.38`	`jello69`	`but not cortex-a8`
`13:38.24`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: no idea if you get a kick out of this, but http://pastebin.com/m53fbdfc0`
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`13:42.42`	`RST38h`	`ah interesting`
`13:43.01`	`Stskeeps`	`this is with debug though`
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`13:50.47`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`Stskeeps: hehe I like the "Sysiphys addr" XD`
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`13:51.24`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`nah wait. In English thatMa Sisiphos ?`
`13:52.11`	`wazd_`	`ehehe, they want to refilm Flash Gordon :)`
`13:52.34`	`wazd_`	`now the only problem is ressurecting Queen :)`
`13:53.54`	`RST38h`	`wazd: I want Carrion Comfort the movie =)`
`13:55.41`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Especially filmed by a pinko French filmmaker of Greek descent =)`
`13:56.11`	`RST38h`	`Which should make for the most paranoid movie in the world history =)`
`13:57.24`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: eeek :D`
`14:14.26`	`Miniscalope`	`hi!`
`14:14.26`	`Miniscalope`	`is there some maemo developpers here?`
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`14:14.31`	`wazd_`	`Miniscalope: well, that's an interesting question)`
`14:14.31`	`jello69`	`shh`
`14:14.31`	`wazd_`	`ducks`
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`14:14.40`	`Macer`	`gh`
`14:14.40`	`Macer`	`ugh`
`14:14.40`	`Macer`	`i installed a chroot type of debian on my G1 and i can't find out why only root can access the network :(`
`14:14.41`	`Stskeeps`	`etc/resolv.conf probably`
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`14:14.41`	`jello69`	`zou mean user has no ping?`
`14:14.41`	`jello69`	`you`
`14:14.43`	`Macer`	`i mean the device has an ip as root`
`14:14.43`	`Macer`	`and doesn't as a user in the chroot :)`
`14:14.43`	`Macer`	`as root i can do everything. but as a user i can not because it seems like users don't have permission to the device and i can't figure out why`
`14:14.43`	`jello69`	`no wget?`
`14:14.43`	`Macer`	`wget works fine as root`
`14:14.43`	`Macer`	`as a user it does not`
`14:14.44`	`jello69`	`ok ty`
`14:14.44`	`Macer`	`apt-get too`
`14:14.44`	`jello69`	`i forgot chroot details`
`14:14.44`	`Macer`	`well. i can't figure it out`
`14:14.44`	`Macer`	`Stskeeps: you know why it would do that?`
`14:14.52`	`Macer`	`i figured it is a similar setup to deblet back in the day :)`
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`14:14.58`	`Stskeeps`	`Macer: nah, g1 is a hack`
`14:14.58`	`Stskeeps`	`deblet was saner`
`14:14.58`	`Macer`	`haha`
`14:14.58`	`Macer`	`then make mer work on a G1 with telephone support :P`
`14:14.58`	`Stskeeps`	`by my own choice i don't touch other vendors stuff that much to avoid conflict of interest`
`14:14.58`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`14:14.58`	`wazd_`	`wooo, 7 downloads to go!`
`14:14.59`	`Macer`	`heh`
`14:14.59`	`Macer`	`ok. i will keep googling for it`
`14:14.59`	`Macer`	`but i usually have a 30 minute rule about such things`
`14:14.59`	`Macer`	`:)`
`14:16.38`	`Stskeeps`	`or you throw out your G1?`
`14:16.40`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`14:17.09`	`Macer`	`hahaha`
`14:17.59`	`wazd_`	`I don't get maemo.org rating algorithm btw`
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`14:18.24`	`wazd_`	`how an app that has only 4 and 5 ranks can have 3.75 result`
`14:19.20`	`Macer`	`http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian_on_G1`
`14:19.24`	`wazd_`	`and 3 on the main page`
`14:19.24`	`Macer`	`found it`
`14:19.33`	`Macer`	`wow you would think that would be in big bold letters :)`
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`14:22.10`	`MaceG1`	`hm`
`14:22.32`	`wazd_`	`RST38h: Stskeeps: btw, help with building m5 deb is much appreciated ;)`
`14:24.33`	`Stskeeps`	`wazd_: will look at it tonight`
`14:24.43`	`Stskeeps`	`just had a major breakthrough in N8x0 GL drivers so`
`14:25.37`	`wazd_`	`Stskeeps: oh, cool!`
`14:27.05`	`Macer`	`hm`
`14:27.10`	`Macer`	`it doesn't seem to be picking up the hostname`
`14:27.12`	`Macer`	`damnit`
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`14:31.36`	`jello69`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5524#c12`
`14:31.38`	`povbot`	`Bug 5524: program hangs on exit when media player is playing music`
`14:31.47`	`jello69`	`this problem i see often`
`14:31.51`	`Jaffa`	`af'noon`
`14:32.06`	`Macer`	`well. this is actually pretty nice`
`14:32.09`	`jello69`	`i ahve to ssh to device to free it`
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`14:34.21`	`jello69`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5524`
`14:34.22`	`povbot`	`Bug 5524: program hangs on exit when media player is playing music`
`14:34.57`	`jello69`	`pulseaudio has concurrent playback bug`
`14:34.59`	`javispedro`	`afternoon`
`14:35.06`	`jello69`	`hi`
`14:35.56`	`jello69`	`can u get the alsa playback javispedro woth pasuspender`
`14:36.10`	`javispedro`	`not even tried yet, but pupnik said so.`
`14:36.39`	`jello69`	`no it does not work with sdl just some things`
`14:37.05`	`jello69`	`mplayer is ok`
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`14:37.41`	`jello69`	`did u try ps x yet`
`14:37.43`	`MaceG1`	`hm`
`14:38.20`	`jello69`	`it is not fast`
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`14:38.43`	`jello69`	`well it is fast but not there`
`14:39.15`	`jello69`	`but nes, uae, hatari`
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`14:39.22`	`javispedro`	`no, i'm working on my own stuff atm.`
`14:39.23`	`jello69`	`these are more hobbyist emus`
`14:39.37`	`javispedro`	`got hildonremotetexture working but with insane flicker.`
`14:39.40`	`javispedro`	`(in SDL)`
`14:39.45`	`jello69`	`anything i canm help`
`14:39.49`	`jello69`	`hm`
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`14:40.12`	`jello69`	`nice`
`14:40.36`	`jello69`	`i try fixing something`
`14:41.01`	`javispedro`	`it's not pretty though. I guess SDL keeps trying to damage one of the background windows and remotetexture doesn't like this`
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`14:45.10`	`jello69`	`i cannot build debhelper 7.4`
`14:45.29`	`jello69`	`javispedro maybe dont setup sdl win`
`14:45.47`	`jello69`	`i make inatall dh 7.4`
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`14:46.06`	`jello69`	`but dh_clean always complains about debhelper version`
`14:46.17`	`javispedro`	`jello69: I still need it for event handling or amount of patches/workarounds in SDL code grows up astronomically`
`14:46.32`	`jello69`	`ah`
`14:47.16`	`jello69`	`what will you try javispedro`
`14:48.10`	`javispedro`	`dunno yet.`
`14:48.14`	`lcuk`	`waves @ javispedro`
`14:48.20`	`javispedro`	`hey lcuk, long time :)`
`14:48.33`	`javispedro`	`had a few though weeks.`
`14:48.40`	`javispedro`	`but it's christmas now ! :)`
`14:48.41`	`lcuk`	`indeed, did you have a good christmas?`
`14:49.05`	`javispedro`	`who didn't? ;)`
`14:49.57`	`frals`	`hugs dbus-monitor --system`
`14:50.17`	`frals`	`damn sms push being sent to /com/nokia/phone/SMS when it shouldnt`
`14:50.57`	`lcuk`	`javispedro, you still got your wild pair of devices?`
`14:51.06`	`lcuk`	`or did your concience tell you to return one`
`14:51.50`	`javispedro`	`kicks concience`
`14:52.16`	`lcuk`	`wicked, so what you been up2`
`14:52.40`	`javispedro`	`i'm trying to use the hildon-desktop scaling stuff to get weird aspect ratios in emus`
`14:53.10`	`javispedro`	`and also I updated most of my packages.. but seems everything's still broken : (`
`14:53.26`	`javispedro`	`the git.maemo.org cert is revoked iirc`
`14:53.30`	`lcuk`	`thats a bit poo`
`14:53.55`	`lcuk`	`it still updates with https: protocol there doesnt it? or have we been opened up to the git: one?`
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`14:54.04`	`javispedro`	`https`
`14:54.23`	`javispedro`	`but now it requires GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1 :P`
`14:54.43`	`lcuk`	`hah`
`14:54.52`	`jello69`	`wonderful to get mitm for maemo`
`14:55.05`	`javispedro`	`well, packages are not signed either.`
`14:55.09`	`lcuk`	`nahh this is the source code repository`
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`14:55.36`	`MaceG1`	`what.. the... hell :)`
`14:56.01`	`jello69`	`ok`
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`14:58.25`	`Macer`	`how do i get bash to not use color?`
`14:58.35`	`Macer`	`actually. i don't think that's the problme`
`14:59.20`	`javispedro`	`and maemo.org is still slow :) well, I see things have not changed much. Good :)`
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`15:00.15`	`konttori`	`wazd_: looks great by the way (your theme)`
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`15:03.57`	`jello69`	`nice python startup time on n900`
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`15:09.01`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hi`
`15:09.27`	`jello69`	`sometimes keyuboard does not light u,`
`15:09.33`	`jello69`	`hi`
`15:11.16`	`jello69`	`how to get mpre ptys?`
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`15:11.28`	`jello69`	`helo?`
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`15:14.07`	`MaceG1`	`hm`
`15:14.21`	`wazd`	`konttori: thanks :)`
`15:14.21`	`MaceG1`	`well. this seems to be working outside of screen`
`15:14.44`	`wazd`	`konttori: any chance for deb builder to work in windows?`
`15:15.05`	`MaceG1`	`need to figure out how to get screen to use TERM=linux maybe`
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`15:25.04`	`jello69`	`i think i will wear out n900`
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`15:28.18`	`jello69`	`but pandora is must buy also when it is ready`
`15:28.18`	`ShadowJK`	`echp 32 >/proc/sys/kern/pty/max`
`15:28.29`	`ShadowJK`	`or something like that. echo not echp`
`15:28.32`	`jello69`	`dynamic? oh thank you`
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`15:30.20`	`jello69_`	`it works s/kern/kernel`
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`15:31.09`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hi`
`15:31.35`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`if i install opentpd,wont it drain battery too much?`
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`15:42.17`	`wazd`	`yaar! 10k downloads! Celebrate!`
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`15:43.39`	`jello69_`	`if i change python code on device do i need to clear a cache?`
`15:44.06`	`ShadowJK`	`no, but if you're changing the code of something that's running, you need to restart it`
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`15:53.18`	`ShadowJK`	`the light sensor will switch off the keyboard light if it thinks it's light enough that you can see the keyboard without light. It will also switch off after not using it for a few seconds`
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`15:54.51`	`jello69_`	`ah ok it was too dark to read but closing lid fixed it`
`15:56.13`	`ShadowJK`	`I usually press ctrl (upper left) once to turn it on after it has switched itself off`
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`16:03.37`	`konttori`	`wazd: yes, I can get the deb builder to work on windows as well. I just need a bit of time for it.`
`16:04.22`	`konttori`	`and now I'm putting my coding time into learning qml a bit better. I could try to get a peek at it today though.`
`16:05.07`	`wazd`	`konttori: that would be great`
`16:05.37`	`wazd`	`konttori: btw, maybe you know how maemo designers do dithered theme .pngs?`
`16:05.38`	`konttori`	`I know. It would also drop the need for the separate silly deb binaries.`
`16:06.15`	`konttori`	`wazd: nokia internal tool makes the dithering. You should be able to use photoshop to do the dithering`
`16:06.26`	`konttori`	`any dithering mode should do the trick.`
`16:06.46`	`wazd`	`konttori: well, photoshop uses dithering for 256 colors only`
`16:07.00`	`konttori`	`otoh, e.g. the home screen bg images should be automatically dithered by hildon home on load.`
`16:07.12`	`konttori`	`so, you don't need to dither those at all`
`16:07.21`	`wazd`	`konttori: I can do it manually but that's damn boring and difficult :)`
`16:07.44`	`konttori`	`wazd: http://notlost.blogspot.com/2008/08/dithering-for-low-bit-depth-lcds-with.html`
`16:07.53`	`jello69_`	`konttori is there a contact for the good games ppl like javis and rst?`
`16:08.04`	`jello69_`	`for the sdl issues specifically`
`16:08.13`	`konttori`	`wazd: you can create a dithering macro with that in a sec.`
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`16:08.40`	`jello69_`	`maybe we need a maemo-bounties.com`
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`16:09.07`	`konttori`	`jello69_: well, you could perhaps ask kalikiana, but sdl is currently maintained by claudio saveedra at nokia`
`16:09.41`	`jello69_`	`i hope that was ok to post`
`16:09.42`	`angasule`	`probably Saavedra`
`16:10.01`	`angasule`	`(I'm talking about spelling, don't know the people :) )`
`16:10.25`	`wazd`	`konttori: yeah, I saw that guide, but`
`16:10.35`	`jello69_`	`k i think somethings can be fixed`
`16:10.36`	`wazd`	`konttori: flatten image kills alpha :(`
`16:10.40`	`konttori`	`angasule: you are right.`
`16:11.13`	`wazd`	`maybe I should code macro indeed`
`16:11.57`	`konttori`	`wazd: I think you should be able to take the alpha into a separate layer before applyting those and then restore the alpha (as part of your macro)`
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`16:14.46`	`jello69_`	`somebody must know how to talk to id: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0`
`16:16.01`	`jello69_`	`then we make sdl-alsa talk like this`
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`16:29.49`	`jello69_`	`it can give up if pulse wants to talk`
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`16:29.57`	`jello69_`	`and resume even`
`16:30.50`	`jello69_`	`what does it take 10000euroas?`
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`16:33.17`	`tg`	`hahi`
`16:33.20`	`tg`	`hai`
`16:33.58`	`tg`	`anyone succeeded importing an .ics file into maemo5 calendar?`
`16:34.34`	`tg`	`i only got this "invalid calendar file" error, although i think the file is valid ics (even checked with a validator)`
`16:39.03`	`lardman`	`I'd be interested to hear if you do succeed`
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`16:52.05`	`wazd`	`http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/27/itoos-m6hd-pmp-outputs-1080i-without-breaking-anyones-bank/`
`16:52.07`	`wazd`	`hmm)`
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`16:56.40`	`frals`	`mmm.. the joy of parsing wsp_pdu's`
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`16:59.29`	`bigbrovar_`	`so it was the loadapplet suddenly stopped working on my N900 and i cant figure out what I did to disable it :(`
`16:59.52`	`woglinde`	`jo`
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`17:01.08`	`woglinde`	`hi felipec`
`17:03.03`	`bigbrovar_`	`is there a way to enable the load applet? I apt-get remove --purge it so that I could have it install from a fresh config but it didnt still work on fresh install`
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`17:03.41`	`bigbrovar_`	`maybe if i try to remove the config file/directory from my /home`
`17:04.57`	`Dr_Cain`	`nice Im draining my battery 1% every 4 minutes`
`17:05.17`	`Dr_Cain`	`N900 that is`
`17:06.15`	`woglinde`	`Dr_Cain disable wlan and gsm`
`17:06.21`	`tg`	`and bluetooth`
`17:06.26`	`woglinde`	`yepp`
`17:06.43`	`woglinde`	`its a pitty you can disable eithe wlan or gsm or gps`
`17:06.46`	`tg`	`and maybe turn down the brightness a bit`
`17:06.47`	`Dr_Cain`	`so only go 3G?`
`17:06.48`	`woglinde`	`only whole stuff`
`17:07.01`	`woglinde`	`args cannt`
`17:07.09`	`woglinde`	`I should write a bug`
`17:07.40`	`tg`	`i think you can just set wlan to manual mode i.e. no auto connect`
`17:07.45`	`tg`	`in the settings somewhere`
`17:08.15`	`woglinde`	`tg but thats not a disable`
`17:08.54`	`tg`	`but isn't it turned off if you disconnect from the ap?`
`17:09.11`	`tg`	`i thought it worked that way`
`17:09.52`	`Dr_Cain`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:09.52`	`Dr_Cain`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:09.52`	`Dr_Cain`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:09.52`	`Dr_Cain`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:10.06`	`Dr_Cain`	`polling every 60 seconds lol`
`17:10.41`	`w00t`	`I wonder what you're doing to get that`
`17:10.57`	`w00t`	`my n900 has been on wifi (screen off, unused) for about 2.5 days now without charging`
`17:10.59`	`tg`	`yeah, me too`
`17:11.29`	`w00t`	`so one of us is atypical..`
`17:11.31`	`tg`	`i mean i also wanna know how you get that info`
`17:12.39`	`tg`	`without using it mine also lasts long enough`
`17:13.07`	`lcuk`	`sneakily paints bacon fat onto the soles of lardman's shoes`
`17:13.09`	`tg`	`it was like 85-90% percent after half a day`
`17:13.14`	`tg`	`or similar`
`17:13.43`	`Dr_Cain`	`running some music, ssh, web and other stuff`
`17:13.44`	`w00t`	`pipes bacon fat into lcuk`
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`17:14.00`	`lcuk`	`Dr_Cain, have you considered that running 47 monitoring apps might be to blame`
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`17:14.18`	`woglinde`	`jo lcuk`
`17:14.31`	`lcuk`	`hey woglinde \o and hiya kathy`
`17:14.38`	`lcuk`	`w00ts at w00t`
`17:14.39`	`woglinde`	`hi kathy`
`17:14.40`	`RevdKathy`	`Hiya!`
`17:14.41`	`woglinde`	`moo`
`17:14.47`	`RevdKathy`	`w00T ALL`
`17:14.53`	`RevdKathy`	`Good Crimbo?`
`17:14.57`	`Hexagoon`	`anyone know when pr1.1 will be available? i cant even use my phone because of the 3-operator-sim bug`
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`17:15.01`	`w00t`	`RevdKathy: heh, nice to put an IRC face to the tmo person ;)`
`17:15.01`	`lcuk`	`ponders how well this will work on n810`
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`17:15.26`	`RevdKathy`	`LOL w00t - I've popped in before - but this place goes over my head most of the time`
`17:15.33`	`w00t`	`lcuk: how goes?`
`17:15.33`	`lcuk`	`w00t kathy is quite regular here, shes like a bowl of all bran`
`17:15.53`	`lcuk`	`it goes good!`
`17:15.59`	`RevdKathy`	`lcuk: definition of a pessimist - puts prunes on his all bran`
`17:16.02`	`w00t`	`RevdKathy: it was for me, initially - I lurked and asked a lot of stupid questions and now I know enough to not question the weird things that lcuk does`
`17:16.04`	`lcuk`	`lots of little things appear to be coming together`
`17:16.05`	`w00t`	`:)`
`17:16.21`	`lcuk`	`RevdKathy, yum`
`17:16.39`	`lcuk`	`in the last 24 hours, i have restored the slidein menus from original liqbase`
`17:16.45`	`RevdKathy`	`lcuk - someone on tmo was looking for a dev near Oxford`
`17:16.50`	`lcuk`	`now any dialog which does not zoom in will slide in`
`17:16.57`	`RevdKathy`	`slide in?`
`17:17.02`	`lcuk`	`yeah`
`17:17.07`	`RevdKathy`	`like in powerpoint?`
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`17:17.21`	`lcuk`	`the original liqbase had slideins for all dilogs, when you press a button they smoothly slide from the side`
`17:17.24`	`lcuk`	`i dunno`
`17:17.31`	`lcuk`	`it was something ive been meaning to fix for yonks`
`17:17.36`	`RevdKathy`	`ahhh right`
`17:17.43`	`Dr_Cain`	`tg: lshal\|grep battery.charge_level.percentage`
`17:18.14`	`tg`	`thx`
`17:18.17`	`Hexagoon`	`nothing about pr1.1?`
`17:18.28`	`lcuk`	`Hexagoon, when its ready you will get it`
`17:18.41`	`RevdKathy`	`Hexagoon - still under wraps. Doubt it will make it this year now`
`17:19.09`	`lcuk`	`freezes @ home`
`17:19.15`	`tg`	`i have made a minty boost earlier, that also works fine with the n900, so i can charge it from AA batteries with that`
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`17:19.31`	`w00t`	`mmm minty.`
`17:19.36`	`w00t`	`salivates`
`17:19.40`	`Hexagoon`	`when it's ready i've already sold my goddamn device :P i've had it for 3 weeks but stil not been able to use it :P`
`17:19.50`	`Hexagoon`	`slightly annoying`
`17:19.51`	`w00t`	`Hexagoon: why?`
`17:20.03`	`lcuk`	`RevdKathy, the rotating sketches is making me giddy but to do sheep properly i must be able to rotate the field itself`
`17:20.05`	`Hexagoon`	`i have 3 as operator, their sims dont work in the n900`
`17:20.06`	`tg`	`what's pr1.1?`
`17:20.10`	`w00t`	`Hexagoon: ah`
`17:20.12`	`lcuk`	`and that takes super brainpower`
`17:20.21`	`lcuk`	`is full of headfunk`
`17:20.43`	`w00t`	`lcuk: that is a word that I believe should make the dictionary`
`17:20.43`	`lcuk`	`w00t, did you see the rotating sketches?`
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`17:20.49`	`w00t`	`I will make sure to use it as often as possible in future :)`
`17:20.52`	`lcuk`	`which`
`17:20.52`	`w00t`	`no`
`17:20.57`	`w00t`	`I've been kind of busy over christmas`
`17:20.59`	`RevdKathy`	`lcuk - why do you need to rotate the field? It's the sheep that move, no?`
`17:21.01`	`w00t`	`(social etc.. sigh)`
`17:21.11`	`w00t`	`lcuk: headfunk`
`17:21.18`	`lcuk`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q rate and vote it as well :D`
`17:21.26`	`wazd`	`ehehe, other maemo weather screenshot was removed from maemo.nokia.com`
`17:21.27`	`lcuk`	`RevdKathy, yeah the field needs to move too`
`17:21.34`	`lcuk`	`at least for some degrees`
`17:21.34`	`RevdKathy`	`tg - I am now charging from a freeloader - works fine`
`17:21.43`	`lcuk`	`consider an overhead view on the sheepdog`
`17:21.56`	`lcuk`	`and im running around trying to make the sheeps go somewhere`
`17:22.06`	`RevdKathy`	`lcuk I'll take your word for that. Wouldn't a dog look like a sheep from above?`
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`17:22.13`	`lcuk`	`it might work without, but having rotating bitmaps is reqd`
`17:22.26`	`lcuk`	`dont be silly! sheeps look like clouds from above! :p`
`17:22.42`	`frals`	`('\x06)\x1f"application/vnd.wap.mms-message', '\x81\x84\xaf\x84\x8d\x01')`
`17:22.47`	`frals`	`hmm, that looks a bit borked :(`
`17:22.51`	`RevdKathy`	`And sheepdogs don't? depends on the breed of sheepdog`
`17:23.13`	`RevdKathy`	`Old English (dulux) would look like clouds`
`17:23.15`	`lcuk`	`i dunno, im just thinking to make it like GTA`
`17:23.20`	`frals`	`god damn wsp and their shortened versions for some strings ;(`
`17:23.45`	`lcuk`	`we were discussing a way to make the field bigger than the screen`
`17:23.50`	`woglinde`	`gta?`
`17:23.50`	`lcuk`	`to do that it needs to rotate`
`17:23.51`	`RevdKathy`	`ahhh right`
`17:24.00`	`RevdKathy`	`so you could fit more sheep pens on`
`17:24.01`	`lcuk`	`grand theft auto - the original top down one`
`17:24.14`	`RevdKathy`	`Never played that - I'mm too law abaiding`
`17:24.32`	`woglinde`	`he`
`17:24.34`	`lcuk`	`http://www.glidos.net/large/gta.jpg`
`17:24.35`	`RevdKathy`	`Never played anything with crime, guns, etc`
`17:24.38`	`woglinde`	`gta rockz`
`17:24.41`	`RevdKathy`	`Only Nice Games`
`17:24.45`	`woglinde`	`pfffff`
`17:24.51`	`woglinde`	`wow?`
`17:24.53`	`woglinde`	`haha`
`17:25.03`	`RevdKathy`	`(Used to have a game with a little bloke in a loin cloth...)`
`17:25.31`	`RevdKathy`	`But I seriously don't game much - tetris and mahjong are the main one for me on n900`
`17:25.32`	`lcuk`	`we dont want to know about your subscription to playdude :p`
`17:25.38`	`w00t`	`mahjong rules`
`17:25.44`	`lcuk`	`indeed`
`17:25.44`	`w00t`	`I play that on the bus every morning`
`17:25.46`	`RevdKathy`	`LOL They don't wear loincloths in playdude`
`17:25.46`	`lcuk`	`tracy plays lots`
`17:25.59`	`RevdKathy`	`(or playbear, for that matter)`
`17:26.13`	`lcuk`	`if its anything like playgirl, you should qualify that with "for long"`
`17:26.25`	`w00t`	`.. knowing your unboxing photos, RevdKathy, the idea of a 'playbear' scares the hell out of me`
`17:26.28`	`w00t`	`:P`
`17:26.48`	`RevdKathy`	`I'll take your word for it - haven't rea that sort of thing in a couple of decades since I need someone else to reach the top shelf for me :p`
`17:26.59`	`lcuk`	`this slidein feels really nice, just like it did on n810`
`17:27.05`	`w00t`	`mm`
`17:27.22`	`SpeedEvil`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:27.26`	`w00t`	`does anyone here use a durasec?`
`17:28.05`	`lcuk`	`w00t, did you watch the video`
`17:28.16`	`RevdKathy`	`w00t: http://www.revdkathy.co.uk/avs/nun.jpg`
`17:28.18`	`w00t`	`yes, I did`
`17:28.24`	`w00t`	`one question`
`17:28.31`	`w00t`	`can you switch that off, temporarily?`
`17:28.43`	`lcuk`	`yeah its justa proto at the moment`
`17:28.46`	`w00t`	`sometimes I want to rotate something to look at it from a different perspective without it moving with me :p`
`17:28.52`	`w00t`	`very cool, though`
`17:28.53`	`lcuk`	`i was thinking of switching it on with a keypress`
`17:29.02`	`w00t`	`RevdKathy: ...haha`
`17:29.02`	`lcuk`	`rather than on all the time`
`17:29.12`	`w00t`	`lcuk: then, I suspect, it wouldn't get a lot of use though`
`17:29.19`	`lcuk`	`:)`
`17:29.25`	`w00t`	`optional behaviour (especially like that) doesn't get discovered easily`
`17:29.29`	`lcuk`	`depends which area of the system its in`
`17:29.39`	`w00t`	`sure`
`17:29.47`	`w00t`	`just giving my perspective given what I know`
`17:29.48`	`lcuk`	`and since its ubercool and something you want to give to your friends and let them play with`
`17:29.53`	`RevdKathy`	`w00t: http://www.revdkathy.co.uk/images/bondagebear.jpg`
`17:30.12`	`w00t`	`RevdKathy: do you have bears on your n900?`
`17:30.13`	`w00t`	`:P`
`17:31.02`	`RevdKathy`	`Not at the moment - n900 is all Christmassy w00t`
`17:31.04`	`lcuk`	`kathy lol @ ur secret badbear stash`
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`17:31.10`	`w00t`	`hah`
`17:31.16`	`w00t`	`I need to find a new wallpaper..`
`17:31.22`	`lcuk`	`my n900 has finger warnings`
`17:31.23`	`wazd`	`RevdKathy: you've forgotten to install an update to your gallery :)`
`17:31.29`	`w00t`	`lcuk: fingerwhat`
`17:31.45`	`RevdKathy`	`I was planning to line a load of bears up and make a looping wallpaper`
`17:31.55`	`RevdKathy`	`Yeah, haven't updated in ages to the gallery`
`17:32.06`	`RevdKathy`	`wazd - the scrapbook took over really`
`17:32.37`	`RevdKathy`	`lcuk: what do 'fingerwarnings' do on n900 - or can't you tell a nice girl something like that?`
`17:32.54`	`w00t`	`haha`
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`17:35.33`	`lcuk`	`http://liqbase.net/liq.fingerwarning.desktop.20091203_042.jpg`
`17:36.01`	`lcuk`	`based on http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg`
`17:36.35`	`lcuk`	`and a real photo of my damaged bloody finger http://liqbase.net/finger_macro.jpg`
`17:37.13`	`RevdKathy`	`Ouch! What did you do to your finger?`
`17:37.45`	`zash`	`ouch!`
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`17:38.02`	`zash`	`don't close whatnow`
`17:38.23`	`RevdKathy`	`I smashed my thumb in a car door about 15 months ago -i it looked like that`
`17:38.28`	`w00t`	`dear jesus`
`17:38.38`	`w00t`	`winces`
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`17:38.44`	`lcuk`	`kathy, http://slashdot.org/journal/229097/Nokia-ovi---finger-friendly`
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`17:40.50`	`w00t`	`lcuk: ouch.`
`17:40.57`	`RevdKathy`	`Wow! and Major OUCH! is it recovered now?`
`17:40.59`	`lcuk`	`i used more colorful language`
`17:41.20`	`w00t`	`well, yes`
`17:41.29`	`w00t`	`I imagine mine would have put a rainbow to shame`
`17:41.41`	`lcuk`	`as much as it will, the pad was ok, so no serious nerve damage but thenail is a bit wonky and ive lost a tiny bit of grip`
`17:41.44`	`RevdKathy`	`When I smashed my thumb (in a volvo door) I was with a client... I managed not to swear. I broke the bone, but had less soft tissure damage`
`17:42.13`	`w00t`	`mmm`
`17:42.15`	`RevdKathy`	`Have you damaged nerves?`
`17:42.16`	`lcuk`	`i saw so much of helsinki, i was rly looking forward to that trip too`
`17:42.18`	`w00t`	`I've never done any serious damage to my fingers`
`17:42.23`	`w00t`	`thankgod`
`17:42.25`	`lcuk`	`no i use it now`
`17:42.34`	`lcuk`	`it cut through the nail side so was ok`
`17:42.34`	`w00t`	`I have, however, damaged above my nose`
`17:42.38`	`RevdKathy`	`You saw bits of Helsinki you never planned - like inside A&E`
`17:42.38`	`lcuk`	`shows you .\|..`
`17:42.48`	`lcuk`	`yeah`
`17:42.49`	`w00t`	`smashed into a very sharp edge in a swimming pool in norway a year or more ago`
`17:42.58`	`w00t`	`(like, dived into it..)`
`17:43.02`	`w00t`	`opened me up fairly well`
`17:43.03`	`lcuk`	`i smashed a bit of my tooth at the pool`
`17:43.13`	`RevdKathy`	`Ouch!!! how do you breath?`
`17:43.15`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`17:43.19`	`lcuk`	`upper jaw onto the side of the pool`
`17:43.36`	`lcuk`	`above nose is ok`
`17:43.46`	`lcuk`	`thers nothing important in the upper half of his head ;)`
`17:43.48`	`w00t`	`RevdKathy: it wasn't that bad, didn't even need stitches.. I just bled fairly copiously`
`17:43.54`	`w00t`	`and now have a bit of a scar there`
`17:44.01`	`RevdKathy`	`Xchat needs camreas so people can show off thier scars`
`17:44.08`	`w00t`	`haha`
`17:44.25`	`lcuk`	`irc client just needs to show thumbnails`
`17:44.34`	`w00t`	`I'm tempted to get photos out of all of this now actually and make a lovely n900 wallpaper pack`
`17:44.38`	`w00t`	`lcuk's finger`
`17:44.39`	`w00t`	`my nose`
`17:44.41`	`RevdKathy`	`No, it was me that smashed the thumbnail...`
`17:44.42`	`w00t`	`etc`
`17:44.46`	`lcuk`	`tim samofs hip`
`17:44.51`	`lcuk`	`samoff`
`17:45.04`	`lcuk`	`lol @ real thumbnail gallery`
`17:45.30`	`lcuk`	`sick gits, but i bet it would pull in pageviews`
`17:45.31`	`w00t`	`hahaha`
`17:45.33`	`w00t`	`yes!`
`17:46.08`	`lcuk`	`just need a flickr taggroup and twitter #hashtag #maemo-hurts`
`17:46.15`	`lcuk`	`#maemo-pain even`
`17:46.21`	`w00t`	`#finger-friendly is surely more ironic`
`17:46.23`	`RevdKathy`	`You'll be pleased to know the photos of my thumb are not online any more`
`17:46.30`	`lcuk`	`why`
`17:46.39`	`lcuk`	`once something goes on the internet`
`17:46.42`	`lcuk`	`it cannot be removed`
`17:46.47`	`lcuk`	`SOMEONE has that photo`
`17:46.56`	`w00t`	`rule 34.`
`17:46.56`	`lcuk`	`and based on odds, i dread to think why they have it`
`17:47.05`	`lcuk`	`hahahahaa`
`17:47.09`	`RevdKathy`	`I have it still - but would need to get out of the armchair to turn on the network to find it`
`17:48.03`	`w00t`	`hehe`
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`17:48.27`	`RevdKathy`	`And when I get up I will go fix a meal, so not moving yet`
`17:48.36`	`w00t`	`isn't it a bit late?`
`17:48.37`	`w00t`	`hm`
`17:48.38`	`w00t`	`it's not`
`17:48.42`	`w00t`	`I thought it was like 9pm.`
`17:49.07`	`RevdKathy`	`No, the idea is to fry leftovers in time for Midsomer Murders`
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`17:49.31`	`RevdKathy`	`is loving being able to turn off pcs and still check email and twitter`
`17:49.46`	`w00t`	`being in norway seriously screws up my sense of time`
`17:50.00`	`RevdKathy`	`is Norway home, w00t?`
`17:50.08`	`w00t`	`it getting dark at 3pm and my future inlaws insistance on having dinner at like 4pm is just weird.`
`17:50.15`	`w00t`	`no`
`17:50.24`	`RevdKathy`	`Ahhh you moving there?`
`17:50.27`	`w00t`	`I'm originally from australia, I live in the UK (for the moment) and hope to move here in the future`
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`17:50.38`	`RevdKathy`	`Now that's confusing`
`17:50.38`	`w00t`	`(I have a history and a half, eh?)`
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`17:51.32`	`w00t`	`:)`
`17:52.05`	`RevdKathy`	`So who do you support in the cricket? (The REALLY important question :p )`
`17:52.22`	`w00t`	`whoever is winning`
`17:52.25`	`w00t`	`(I'm not kidding, either)`
`17:52.29`	`RevdKathy`	`That's cheating`
`17:52.39`	`w00t`	`being a dual citizen has some benefits.`
`17:52.44`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`17:52.50`	`RevdKathy`	`LOL`
`17:52.59`	`w00t`	`australia's glory days are just about over anyway`
`17:53.37`	`RevdKathy`	`Wouldn't say that - making a nice mess of Pakistan today, weren't they?`
`17:54.10`	`w00t`	`the waugh brothers, mcdermott, warne, gilchrist, taylor..`
`17:54.12`	`w00t`	`those were the days`
`17:54.25`	`GAN900`	`"Pidgin-supported protocols plugin for Maemo 5" is what they come up with for a pretty name?`
`17:54.36`	`RevdKathy`	`Warne will be good for another career now he's got his hait fixed`
`17:54.49`	`w00t`	`depends if he gets his thumbs broken for texting someone againi or not`
`17:54.50`	`w00t`	`;)`
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`17:55.02`	`RevdKathy`	`GAN900, have you tried the twitter plug-in yet?`
`17:55.10`	`RevdKathy`	`w00t. LOL ;)`
`17:55.20`	`GAN900`	`RevdKathy, I don't use Twitter. ;)`
`17:55.21`	`tigert`	`heya RevdKathy :)`
`17:55.30`	`RevdKathy`	`Hi Both :)`
`17:55.46`	`tigert`	`RevdKathy: will try to remember teh phototricks wikipage`
`17:55.59`	`RevdKathy`	`No Twitter GAN900? Where do you put the random musings from your head?`
`17:56.21`	`zash`	`RevdKathy: IRC`
`17:56.21`	`RevdKathy`	`Oooh, yes please, tigert. I could have used that - been taking pics over Christmas`
`17:56.23`	`w00t`	`I'm still trying hard to find a use for twitter myself`
`17:56.28`	`zash`	`RevdKathy: what else?`
`17:56.43`	`GAN900`	`RevdKathy, I just shout them at the cosmos fromin my head. :P`
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`17:56.55`	`RevdKathy`	`zash: LOL Most of us ramble on twitter. I have met a bunch of good peoples on there`
`17:57.22`	`RevdKathy`	`GAN900 careful I know people who give you pink pills for doing that`
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`17:57.34`	`lcuk`	`bbl visitors on way`
`17:57.58`	`RevdKathy`	`The good bit about twitter is that you can choose exactly whose random mumblings you want to read or not. Troll-proof`
`17:58.22`	`w00t`	`I use facebook more than twitter`
`17:58.30`	`w00t`	`(for random musings)`
`17:58.39`	`RevdKathy`	`Ahh, never got into facebook`
`17:58.58`	`w00t`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:58.59`	`RevdKathy`	`I have an LJ, a bebo (just for reading others) and my tumblr`
`17:59.02`	`w00t`	`^ my latest :)`
`17:59.05`	`zash`	`RevdKathy: Kind of a IRC where everyone has their own moderated channels..`
`17:59.23`	`lcuk`	`curses google maps`
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`17:59.34`	`w00t`	`lcuk: I'm sure it curses you too`
`17:59.35`	`Ceron`	`lcuk: :\ i once cut my finger`
`17:59.36`	`RevdKathy`	`zash: yes - I found it invaluable for selecting people with a god sense of humour`
`17:59.38`	`Ceron`	`with an axe`
`17:59.45`	`b-man17`	`lol`
`17:59.53`	`Ceron`	`it hit the bone and stopped`
`17:59.54`	`RevdKathy`	`Have your visitors got lost, lcuk?`
`18:00.05`	`w00t`	`RevdKathy: I'm w00teh on twitter, if you want to add me.. though like I say I don't use it nearly often enough :P`
`18:00.15`	`RevdKathy`	`Blunt axe, Ceron - should go through bone`
`18:00.26`	`lcuk`	`they havent got gps and need a route in`
`18:00.27`	`Ceron`	`RevdKathy: well i stopped in the last second`
`18:00.28`	`Ceron`	`thats why`
`18:00.32`	`b-man17`	`Ceron: that's damn lucky - you could have lost that finger`
`18:00.37`	`Ceron`	`yeh :P`
`18:00.39`	`GAN900`	`RevdKathy, unless Quim turns to the darkside or something. ;)`
`18:00.43`	`RevdKathy`	`Will find and add you, w00t. I have then #n900 on a search and have added a lot of folks from there`
`18:00.43`	`Ceron`	`it was a sharp axe`
`18:00.45`	`Ceron`	`made by fiskars`
`18:00.51`	`lcuk`	`and the one tile on the map doesnt show`
`18:00.55`	`wazd`	`can anybody make a screenshot of task switcher with 2 opened web pages?`
`18:01.04`	`frals`	`mouhaha`
`18:01.10`	`frals`	`just "received" an MMS on his phone`
`18:01.28`	`RevdKathy`	`is having strange images of Quim turned to the dark side... and would we notice the difference?`
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`18:01.41`	`Ceron`	`when will we see a firmware update`
`18:01.44`	`Ceron`	`for the n900 :l`
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`18:02.07`	`woglinde`	`when its done`
`18:02.20`	`RevdKathy`	`working on that for yu wazd`
`18:02.23`	`GAN900`	`Ceron, likely soon.`
`18:02.25`	`Ceron`	`when its done? Like Duke Nukem Forever?`
`18:02.26`	`Ceron`	`:D`
`18:02.38`	`wazd`	`RevdKathy: thanks`
`18:03.06`	`Hexagoon`	`can't anyone "leak" pr1.1, there were no disclosure agreement =)`
`18:03.23`	`GAN900`	`Hexagoon, first and only warning. :)`
`18:03.27`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`18:03.30`	`ShadowJK`	`:)`
`18:03.34`	`ShadowJK`	`GAN900, I like that approach :)`
`18:03.39`	`AakashPatel`	`Hmm someone gimme some input on a Google Voice app I'm making, sould I create my own UI so I can include checking Voice mail's nicley and let you check all the labels and settings and stuff?`
`18:03.40`	`Hexagoon`	`worth a shot ;)`
`18:03.46`	`woglinde`	`warez`
`18:03.47`	`AakashPatel`	`And for messages`
`18:04.11`	`Ceron`	`Hexagoon: its on piratebay`
`18:04.15`	`Ceron`	`go fetch it`
`18:04.16`	`GAN900`	`Hexagoon, Nokia invested a lot of trust in the community by distributing prerelease firmware to it, breaching that trust is a good way to ensure they never try it again.`
`18:04.47`	`w00t`	`GAN900++`
`18:04.49`	`wazd`	`woo, 10k visitors per day`
`18:04.55`	`wazd`	`celebrate^2`
`18:04.59`	`AakashPatel`	`Pre release? Avail where o.o`
`18:05.02`	`wazd`	`per month`
`18:05.02`	`AakashPatel`	`(legally)`
`18:05.04`	`wazd`	`sorry :D`
`18:05.18`	`AakashPatel`	`haha wazd not too much a difference :P`
`18:05.19`	`Hexagoon`	`was joking :)`
`18:05.36`	`wazd`	`AakashPatel: well, right now I have about 2k per day`
`18:05.37`	`GAN900`	`AakashPatel, Nokia released PR1.1 to a limited set of community testers.`
`18:05.45`	`AakashPatel`	`Oh`
`18:05.47`	`AakashPatel`	`Then nvm`
`18:06.03`	`wazd`	`AakashPatel: but that's still not 10k per day ofcourse :D`
`18:06.16`	`AakashPatel`	`What site do you own?`
`18:06.29`	`wazd`	`http://tabletui.wordpress.com/`
`18:06.57`	`RevdKathy`	`I think the prerelease to testers was a great move: good for trust all round`
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`18:07.10`	`AakashPatel`	`Ohh I went there yesterdya`
`18:07.13`	`RevdKathy`	`And I would personally damn to hell anyone who breached the trust`
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`18:07.55`	`RevdKathy`	`wazd: was this what you wanted? http://www.flickr.com/photos/45336204@N08/4218855003/`
`18:08.14`	`frals`	`wazd: http://irc.frals.se/maemo/browser.png`
`18:08.35`	`frals`	`doh, RevdKathy beat me to it ;)`
`18:09.01`	`RevdKathy`	`I managed to freeze things up and get 10 copies of that!`
`18:09.19`	`RevdKathy`	`Bet my two pages were more interesting than yours :p`
`18:09.23`	`frals`	`hehe`
`18:09.30`	`wazd`	`frals, RevdKathy, thanks alot :)`
`18:09.36`	`frals`	`i tried to screenshot with usb in mass storage mode, god knows what happened :P`
`18:10.05`	`wazd`	`RevdKathy: I'm got a redirect to yahoo login :(`
`18:10.05`	`RevdKathy`	`Oh yeah, Paddington bear trumps facebook. :p`
`18:10.19`	`RevdKathy`	`Oh damn`
`18:10.34`	`Hexagoon`	`frals: i think MyDocs gets locked when usb is connected`
`18:10.57`	`RevdKathy`	`Try again wazd`
`18:10.59`	`frals`	`should get umounted i think, but yeah, it didnt save any screenshot there for sure ;)`
`18:11.08`	`woglinde`	`hm`
`18:11.11`	`woglinde`	`mails done`
`18:11.19`	`RevdKathy`	`stupid flickr - I keep setting to public, and it keeps resetting to private`
`18:11.26`	`wazd`	`RevdKathy: yeah, now it works, thanks`
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`18:12.23`	`frals`	`so.. dbus-monitor --system and catching any SMSes from the smscentral, parsing the data and getting borked output from a wsp decoder (but able to read where the mms is stored), downloading mms to phone, transfering to PC and opening it in gammu+.. not too much effort to receive an MMS right?`
`18:12.45`	`Hexagoon`	`yesterday i had a personal hell trying to chmod a file in MyDocs, just to find out its formatted with fat32 ^^`
`18:13.00`	`frals`	`hehe`
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`18:17.11`	`RevdKathy`	`ok, so why does the sharing on flickr on n900 send as private, when my default is set to public?`
`18:19.00`	`tg`	`is there a linux app that can sync calendar & contacts with the n900? (i'm using the default calendar & contacts apps that it came with)`
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`18:19.38`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hi`
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`18:20.56`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`what can go wrong when installing bash?`
`18:25.54`	`b-man17`	`you could render your system unbootable - when installing bash your replacing the shell`
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`18:26.32`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`9(`
`18:26.35`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`oh`
`18:26.44`	`b-man17`	`but that's only if something goes wrong ;)`
`18:26.56`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`can i recover?`
`18:27.01`	`b-man17`	`reflash`
`18:27.07`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`ok`
`18:27.34`	`tg`	`you dont need to make that the default shell i guess`
`18:27.37`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`and,can i just install it,letting the shell being still ash?`
`18:27.42`	`RST38h`	`moo all`
`18:28.03`	`wazd`	`RST38h: heya`
`18:28.47`	`b-man17`	`mm - bash replaces the link from /bin/sh -> busybox to /bin/sh -> bash`
`18:28.47`	`RST38h`	`wazd: heya indeed`
`18:28.47`	`RevdKathy`	`Off to fry up leftovers - later all!`
`18:29.35`	`b-man17`	`and she sh link to busybox is ash ;)`
`18:29.39`	`b-man17`	`*the`
`18:32.19`	`wazd`	`Stskeeps: and all: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/2010-ui-countdown-4-%E2%80%93-mer-menu/`
`18:32.24`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`hm`
`18:32.52`	`RST38h`	`wazd: do I sense an iPhone there? =)`
`18:32.56`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`/bin/sh is still linked to ash`
`18:33.02`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`good sign, i guess?`
`18:33.08`	`tg`	`i suppose;]`
`18:33.24`	`wazd`	`RST38h: yeah, sort of`
`18:33.36`	`b-man17`	`/bin/sh is linked to /bin/busybox - witch contains ash`
`18:33.40`	`wazd`	`RST38h: but quick launch is actually a good idea :)`
`18:34.14`	`RST38h`	`wazd: You should probably remove it from the task switcher though: it is going to have to show a lot of minimized windows, so it needs all the available screen space`
`18:34.17`	`b-man17`	`when you install bash, it makes the /bin/sh link point to /bin/bash instead of busybox`
`18:34.40`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`witch contains busybox?`
`18:34.47`	`b-man17`	`but installing bash (should) be harmless`
`18:35.00`	`LuciusMare_n900`	`i just installed bash and it didnt change the link`
`18:35.04`	`wazd`	`RST38h: I think it has even more sense on the task switcher window, cause it appears immediately`
`18:35.06`	`RST38h`	`will have to look for X-Fade tomorrow, again =(`
`18:35.13`	`b-man17`	`busybox is a multi-call program containing smaller programs`
`18:35.33`	`mza`	`think it would be hard to port an android app to maemo?:)`
`18:35.45`	`wazd`	`mza: sure`
`18:35.57`	`mza`	`sure it would be hard?`
`18:36.02`	`b-man17`	`when you make a link to busybox, such as ls or cp, busybox will mimic that program`
`18:36.15`	`wazd`	`mza: yes`
`18:36.21`	`mza`	`damn it`
`18:36.22`	`b-man17`	`(in basic terms))`
`18:37.08`	`b-man17`	`as long as that program is compiled into busybox ;)`
`18:37.22`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Have seen HD2 sold for $1000 today`
`18:37.32`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Have to admit it looks mighty cool`
`18:37.44`	`RST38h`	`Would probably rule with a usable Mer build on it...`
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`18:37.57`	`b-man17`	`try typing '/bin/busybox' in a terminal and you will get an idea ;)`
`18:38.21`	`ifreq`	`can anyone recommend good 6000mAh usb-charger? like on zagg.com`
`18:38.29`	`ifreq`	`could be more than 6000 too`
`18:38.49`	`wazd`	`RST38h: yeah, I've used it for a while`
`18:38.49`	`wazd`	`RST38h: looks on par with n800, but thinner :)`
`18:39.12`	`ifreq`	`or mayb ill just order http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php :P`
`18:39.16`	`RST38h`	`bigger screen!`
`18:39.25`	`RST38h`	`WinMo is a huge showstopper though`
`18:39.40`	`b-man17`	`@LuciusMare_n900 ^`
`18:39.47`	`wazd`	`RST38h: well, I'm not that picky :)`
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`18:43.56`	`wazd`	`RST38h: I was thinking to order it in march from US`
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`18:44.19`	`GAN900`	`RevdKathy, did you change the setting on the N900?`
`18:44.27`	`GAN900`	`RevdKathy, options when you go to upload.`
`18:44.52`	`RevdKathy`	`No Didn't change any settings, and I upload via 'share'`
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`18:46.47`	`AakashPatel`	`ahh`
`18:47.06`	`AakashPatel`	`wazd: you good at thinkin up UI concepts?`
`18:47.17`	`wazd`	`AakashPatel: well, it's you to Judge`
`18:47.33`	`AakashPatel`	`Eh good nuff by the look of your site posts`
`18:47.33`	`AakashPatel`	`lol`
`18:47.37`	`AakashPatel`	`mind if i PM?`
`18:47.57`	`wazd`	`np`
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`18:50.21`	`RevdKathy`	`GAN900 - got it - but it defaults back to 'private' every time so I will have to remember`
`18:50.24`	`RevdKathy`	`Thanks :)`
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`18:54.52`	`Stskeeps`	`wazd: cool`
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`18:57.24`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: it looks like google voice is already supported a bit in maemo using this telepathy plugin for the built-in conversations/call`
`18:57.32`	`Robot101`	`http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-theonering/`
`18:57.58`	`AakashPatel`	`Yeah, my app will be using 'special API's' though ;)`
`18:58.50`	`Robot101`	`well, looks early days, but thats a very smooth way to integrate into the device UI if it continues`
`19:01.06`	`AakashPatel`	`Would it be possible to make a plugin to add another SMS part to the Conversations app instead of just an IM part?`
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`19:02.51`	`Robot101`	`my gut feeling is no, the underlying API is just telepathy and the conversations thing probably looks for / special cases "ring", the telepathy cellular backend`
`19:03.24`	`Robot101`	`there's a public maemo bug for adding SMS buttons to phone numbers on non-cellular protocols though`
`19:03.29`	`Robot101`	`some SIP services support it`
`19:03.31`	`AakashPatel`	`I'm tryin to think of the best way to integrate SMS/Voicemail/Checking different labels into maemo`
`19:03.43`	`Robot101`	`you should go and add your support to that bug`
`19:03.53`	`AakashPatel`	`Hm do you have a link to it?`
`19:04.30`	`Robot101`	`currently our belgian guys on the abook team are being ignored because the abook manager says its just weird belgian thing to want to send SMS over SIP :)`
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`19:04.58`	`AakashPatel`	`Haha`
`19:05.09`	`go1dfish`	`Stskeeps: any news on the booting front?`
`19:05.20`	`AakashPatel`	`Robot101: Do you have a link to the bug?`
`19:05.21`	`Stskeeps`	`go1dfish: no sorry, i got caught by N8x0 GL driver fun`
`19:06.17`	`go1dfish`	`no worries, just curious, scrollback here gets huge and easy to miss`
`19:06.41`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6938`
`19:06.42`	`povbot`	`Bug 6938: Add UI to send SMS using SIP`
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`19:09.17`	`AakashPatel`	`Hmm so for right now I guess I should make a different UI o.o`
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`19:11.03`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: well, there aren't any other APIs except Telepathy to integrate into Call, Conversations and Contacts`
`19:11.22`	`Robot101`	`so I'd just join the protest to get that supported`
`19:11.46`	`AakashPatel`	`Ehhh`
`19:11.47`	`AakashPatel`	`:/`
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`19:15.39`	`AakashPatel`	`Robot101: Well, I guess if i created my own UI I would still add a "call with" function in the phone app`
`19:15.56`	`AakashPatel`	`And in the actual app i could have a contacts chooser for sending SMS's`
`19:17.44`	`AakashPatel`	`i "guess" what would be the next best thing for making the functionality as close as possible to the actual google.com/voice site.`
`19:18.37`	`GAN900`	`I with Conversations would stick all communication with a contact in the same window.`
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`19:19.40`	`AakashPatel`	`?`
`19:20.01`	`AakashPatel`	`But it currently wouldnt be possible to do it nicley`
`19:20.06`	`AakashPatel`	`nicely*`
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`19:20.54`	`GAN900`	`s/with/wish/`
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`19:21.02`	`AakashPatel`	`GAN900: OH`
`19:21.03`	`Robot101`	`you can hook up all of the functions in the UI to google voice using a telepathy backend, which is what theonering aims to do`
`19:21.36`	`AakashPatel`	`That would be messy as hell, to integrate all the labels and stuff`
`19:21.45`	`Robot101`	`what labels?`
`19:21.56`	`Robot101`	`none of the UIs are pluggable afaik`
`19:22.02`	`AakashPatel`	`Voicemail/SMS/Recorded/etc`
`19:22.08`	`AakashPatel`	`(on the Google Voice site)`
`19:22.22`	`Robot101`	`you'd need to make some new UI for the features that don't exist in the built-in UIs`
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`19:22.29`	`Robot101`	`but it has to be a separate app at that point`
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`19:23.06`	`SpeedEvil`	`Or extend the existing UIs.`
`19:23.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`google voice not UK anyway`
`19:23.26`	`AakashPatel`	`Extend the existing UI's? o.o`
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`19:25.00`	`AakashPatel`	`Can apps not in the conversation app notify the user of new messages the exact same way that the conversations app does?`
`19:25.09`	`AakashPatel`	`with the little popup bubble?`
`19:25.41`	`Robot101`	`SpeedEvil: ... there are no extension points in existing conversation/call/contacts except telepathy`
`19:25.53`	`Robot101`	`notifications are available to everyone... i think, yes.`
`19:26.00`	`AakashPatel`	`Okay good`
`19:26.18`	`AakashPatel`	`I think this may turn out nicely, even w/o integration into the conversations app`
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`19:27.36`	`philo`	`hi`
`19:27.56`	`go1dfish`	`AakashPatel: yeah notifications are available to everyone, don't know specifics though`
`19:28.08`	`AakashPatel`	`Okay`
`19:28.29`	`philo`	`does the n900 have any king of security to prevent loadding customs frimwares ??`
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`19:28.58`	`AakashPatel`	`philo: nope`
`19:29.33`	`AakashPatel`	`Robot101: Have you used the OneRing thing?`
`19:29.53`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: not tried it, no. was just suggesting it to try and avoid a duplication of effort, I dunno if the author uses IRC`
`19:30.54`	`AakashPatel`	`Ah, I was wondering if the app adds an option in the contacts list, or just only has a contacts picker in the actual conversations part itself (which I have no clue how that would work)`
`19:30.56`	`philo`	`AakashPatel: and how easy is it to brick it playing with firmware ?`
`19:31.17`	`AakashPatel`	`philo: unless you're messing with the bootloader then its almost impossible`
`19:31.18`	`MohammadAG`	`rootsh -> rm -r /*`
`19:31.31`	`MohammadAG`	`that easy`
`19:31.35`	`AakashPatel`	`:P`
`19:31.41`	`MohammadAG`	`;)`
`19:31.43`	`philo`	`AakashPatel: i hope the bootloader is read-only ..is it ?`
`19:31.44`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: it doesn't add anything in the UI differently to how Skype or SIP do. backends can't change the UI, the UI decides what to put depending on what the backend capabilities are.`
`19:32.22`	`Robot101`	`philo: you can reflash the bootloader if you have a file containing it (FIASCO image), but if you just use the flasher to feed in kernel, initfs, rootfs, then its fine. no bricking problems.`
`19:32.24`	`AakashPatel`	`Ah, so can external apps add a "call with" funcion in the phone app? or is that lockdd down?`
`19:32.24`	`MohammadAG`	`philo, if you're using the UI w/o extras-devel, I'd say it's a bit hard to brick it`
`19:32.33`	`MohammadAG`	`unless you fill rootfs with apps`
`19:33.08`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: the phone app only makes calls from the log, the real question you want to ask is the contacts app, where in yes, eg SIP or Skype can add a button to call PSTN numbers using that backend`
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`19:33.25`	`AakashPatel`	`Ahhh`
`19:33.29`	`AakashPatel`	`So...no then`
`19:33.36`	`Robot101`	`what? yes.`
`19:33.41`	`AakashPatel`	`wait what`
`19:33.43`	`philo`	`MohammadAG: i am looking for an affordable platform to do some embedded dev... i wont even use maemo on it`
`19:33.44`	`AakashPatel`	`reads it again`
`19:34.04`	`Robot101`	`if you implement a telepathy backend and you tell the UI that it can do PSTN calls, then contacts adds a call button for PSTN numbers using your backend`
`19:34.06`	`AakashPatel`	`Oh`
`19:34.08`	`philo`	`are those things documented somewhere ?`
`19:34.11`	`AakashPatel`	`Ohh`
`19:34.14`	`Robot101`	`thats how SIP and Skype work`
`19:34.27`	`MohammadAG`	`you won't use maemo?`
`19:34.27`	`AakashPatel`	`so the only think limiting is sending SMS's via SIP and stuff`
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`19:34.34`	`MohammadAG`	`the main OS is maemo`
`19:34.38`	`Robot101`	`the only annoying thing IMO is that you can't tell it to add an SMS button. right.`
`19:34.52`	`MohammadAG`	`and atm you can't install any other one (not sure if easydebian would work)'\`
`19:34.53`	`Robot101`	`for features which are totally not included in the normal UIs, like voicemail, you'd need to make your own UI`
`19:34.58`	`MohammadAG`	`- the symbols *`
`19:35.10`	`AakashPatel`	`Thats very reasonable I suppose`
`19:35.21`	`ml-N900`	`philo: maybe you should look at a Beagleboard instead?`
`19:35.27`	`AakashPatel`	`I'll just interate everything into a single app, like the Android version of Google Voice does`
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`19:35.49`	`mozr`	`Hey fellow maemo-ers!`
`19:36.02`	`AakashPatel`	`Yo`
`19:36.10`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: ah well, shame.`
`19:36.17`	`philo`	`ml-N900: yea exactly , i think i need somehting more complete, wifi , accelorometer etc...`
`19:36.19`	`mozr`	`Merry Christmas`
`19:36.42`	`AakashPatel`	`Robot101: I know, but theres really no nice way to make it integrated into Conversations w/o makign it like an IM app, which i donttt want to do`
`19:36.45`	`philo`	`ml-N900: and when i had up the price of daugther board the price of the n900 doesnt look that bad`
`19:36.47`	`GAN900`	`MohammadAG, your definition of "brick" is not applicable here. :)`
`19:36.50`	`AakashPatel`	`I want it to act like actual SMS`
`19:36.54`	`AakashPatel`	`and fee like it`
`19:36.57`	`AakashPatel`	`feel*`
`19:37.17`	`AakashPatel`	`User experience ftl`
`19:37.20`	`AakashPatel`	`>.<`
`19:37.20`	`MohammadAG`	`GAN900, well yeah, you can fix it in terminal`
`19:37.33`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: what do you mean "like an IM app"? the IM and SMS experience are practically identical in Conversations`
`19:37.35`	`MohammadAG`	`but for a normal user, it's considered a brick`
`19:37.48`	`GAN900`	`MohammadAG, not.`
`19:37.54`	`GAN900`	`MohammadAG, it's flashable.`
`19:37.56`	`ml-N900`	`philo: possibly, but doing embedded programming makes having a JTAG indispensible`
`19:38.07`	`GAN900`	`MohammadAG, "brick" mean unrecoverable. Period.`
`19:38.07`	`AakashPatel`	`Robot101: Are apps allowed to remove the "status indicator" in the IM app? while in conversations?`
`19:38.16`	`philo`	`ml-N900: good point maybe the pandora would be better`
`19:38.20`	`Robot101`	`MohammadAG: someone who wants to replace the OS with the flasher is not a normal user anyway, so, its not very helpful say "yes you could make it so your grandmother couldn't use it" :P`
`19:38.27`	`GAN900`	`MohammadAG, and OMAP3 can't get to that point.`
`19:38.28`	`AakashPatel`	`haha`
`19:38.46`	`MohammadAG`	`lol`
`19:38.50`	`philo`	`any one knows where i can read a bit more on the n900 boot loader ?`
`19:38.58`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: "apps" = telepathy backends, backends that don't support presence don't show a presence indicator.`
`19:39.09`	`MohammadAG`	`GAN900, most ppl refer to a device as bricked when it doesn't boot up`
`19:39.16`	`MohammadAG`	`several of which are on tmo`
`19:39.16`	`GAN900`	`philo, it's Nokia proprietary.`
`19:39.20`	`AakashPatel`	`zomg`
`19:39.27`	`AakashPatel`	`So then it would act like SMS :0`
`19:39.36`	`philo`	`GAN900: hummm ok`
`19:39.41`	`GAN900`	`MohammadAG, an unfortunate miss use of the term.`
`19:39.53`	`GAN900`	`MohammadAG, and not relevant to the context here. :)`
`19:39.59`	`MohammadAG`	`GAN900, thanks for the correction ;)`
`19:40.06`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: if that was your main concern, yes. thats why I want them to support an SMS button for non-cellular backends in the contacts app :P`
`19:40.30`	`AakashPatel`	`Ah`
`19:40.41`	`GAN900`	`MohammadAG, as philo is talking about embedded development, it's fairly safe to assume he doesn't intend the end-user "definition"`
`19:41.01`	`AakashPatel`	`tries to figure out how to integrate picking contacts to send messages to`
`19:41.08`	`philo`	`GAN900: yea fairly safe .. i have an iphone for that`
`19:41.13`	`GAN900`	`Robot101, I just wish it wouldn't offer one for landline numbers. ;)`
`19:41.46`	`MohammadAG`	`GAN900, got it :)`
`19:41.51`	`MohammadAG`	`lol philo`
`19:42.34`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: you can make a separate app which queries the address book for contacts with phone numbers, and then initiates a conversation with them via telepathy, which would appear in the normal Conversations app`
`19:42.40`	`GAN900`	`philo, if you want an open cellular device then you want Maemo and the N900, if you want a dev platform then you might consider something OMAP35x based.`
`19:43.02`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: we did something similar for joining chat rooms, although it doesn't work with the normal Conversations app yet :)`
`19:43.39`	`ml-N900`	`Zoom II!`
`19:43.42`	`ShadowJK`	`philo, looked at the beagleboard?`
`19:44.16`	`philo`	`ShadowJK: yes and i will probably end up getting it ... i just want something more complete`
`19:44.24`	`AakashPatel`	`Hmm I intall th One Voice or whatever`
`19:44.28`	`AakashPatel`	`i cant figure out how to use it haha`
`19:46.04`	`ml-N900`	`I think the newest models have an OMAP35xx`
`19:46.35`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: unless they wrote an accounts plugin too, you need to use mc-tool on the console to make an account for it`
`19:46.44`	`AakashPatel`	`o.o`
`19:46.47`	`AakashPatel`	`oh my`
`19:47.31`	`philo`	`GAN900: what if i want a dev platform with cellular capability ?`
`19:47.47`	`GAN900`	`philo, Zoom II`
`19:47.56`	`philo`	`googling....`
`19:48.13`	`GAN900`	`philo, 'course it depends a bit on how bare metal you're getting.`
`19:48.48`	`AakashPatel`	`Robot101: if i do it the way you siad, by creating a diff app to let hte user choose contacts and then initiate the convo through the IM app`
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`19:49.25`	`AakashPatel`	`would that way require the usre to auth via the accounts app?`
`19:49.35`	`AakashPatel`	`or would that be all handled via the extern app?`
`19:49.40`	`AakashPatel`	`is new to telepathy`
`19:49.46`	`AakashPatel`	`(which im sure you can tell :P)`
`19:49.59`	`Robot101`	`the accounts plugin would create the user's account(s) in telepathy`
`19:50.05`	`Robot101`	`but you can plug in whatever UI you want/need into that`
`19:50.19`	`Robot101`	`thats the one place you /can/ plug in new UI`
`19:50.23`	`ceda`	`I'm having issues with scratchbox, should I take them up here or somewhere else?`
`19:50.36`	`philo`	`GAN900: ok cost 1150 ? lol`
`19:51.06`	`ShadowJK`	`?`
`19:51.22`	`wazd`	`anybody familliar with maemo.org rating system?`
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`19:51.41`	`AakashPatel`	`Robot101: Ah okay, does the IM app require the user to be in the contacts list to send/ recieve messages? Or can the plugin inject a message w/o needed that?`
`19:51.51`	`AakashPatel`	`user/contact*`
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`19:52.15`	`AakashPatel`	`(sorry forall these questions, im just tryin to work out all the details)`
`19:52.18`	`LuciusMare`	`hi`
`19:52.22`	`LuciusMare`	`anybody got running maemo on freerunner?`
`19:52.46`	`ceda`	`AakashPatel: the current app requires that for IM, but not for SMS.`
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`19:52.52`	`wazd`	`running maemo on anything except tablets is impossible`
`19:53.18`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: there's no limit to who you can IM. you can type in random IDs if you pick "Send IM to" from the menu`
`19:53.36`	`AakashPatel`	`:0 Oh`
`19:53.42`	`ceda`	`wazd: what do you mean? I run the emulator/scratchbox fine (but with issues) on my laptop`
`19:54.09`	`wazd`	`...`
`19:54.10`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: (and, another app can request and create conversations with other people)`
`19:54.11`	`ceda`	`Robot101: oh, nice`
`19:54.30`	`wazd`	`ceda: I can run maemo on HD2 via VNC too`
`19:54.30`	`go1dfish`	`LuciusMare: Mer is your best bet: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer`
`19:54.47`	`wazd`	`ceda: but that's not "running maemo on portable device"`
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`19:55.01`	`ceda`	`it's a bit sad though that all channels aren't put together into one (SMS, IM, email, ...)`
`19:55.23`	`AakashPatel`	`Robot101: Okay, if someone SMS's me first, the plugin will be able to chose whether to display what information to display in the info of who the IM was from, right?`
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`19:56.42`	`AakashPatel`	`s/whether//`
`19:57.09`	`tekonivelm`	`I' having a hard time transferring a file with gnomevfs-copy. What's the destination urli format for bluetooth?`
`19:58.17`	`tekonivelm`	`I'm using obex://\[00:11:22:33:44:55\]/ but i'm getting an error`
`19:59.10`	`Robot101`	`AakashPatel: you can provide aliases from the backend, yes.`
`19:59.33`	`AakashPatel`	`Awesome`
`20:00.00`	`Robot101`	`telepathy isn't too bad I don't think... :)`
`20:00.24`	`AakashPatel`	`haha true that`
`20:00.27`	`AakashPatel`	`very flexible`
`20:00.31`	`tekonivelm`	`I would lovd to refer to bt-devices by their humanreadable name`
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`20:01.44`	`cehteh`	`jo`
`20:01.46`	`philo`	`any info at least on the boot process of the n900 ?`
`20:02.10`	`cehteh`	`vpn working ..`
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`20:02.37`	`tekonivelm`	`Also, leaving the escape char \ out doesn't solve this`
`20:02.55`	`RST38h`	`moos triumphantly: VMS return-from-console-mode-crash diagnosed`
`20:02.56`	`cehteh`	`is it normal/bad firmware that the front cam shows a dark band on the right side or is my cam just broken?`
`20:03.04`	`cehteh`	`(apart from the really bad quality)`
`20:03.07`	`ShadowJK`	`all front cams have random crap`
`20:03.10`	`woglinde`	`moo`
`20:03.35`	`Ed_B`	`Hi! Any xkb experts here?`
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`20:03.51`	`woglinde`	`ed_b a little bit`
`20:03.51`	`cehteh`	`i mean 1-2 cm from the right side are quite much darker`
`20:04.12`	`GAN900`	`cehteh, firmware.`
`20:04.32`	`Ed_B`	`woglinde: Hurray! Can you tell me how to get current hw keyboard layout on N900?`
`20:04.33`	`cehteh`	`not the other noise and crap ..`
`20:04.54`	`Anidel`	`hi`
`20:05.15`	`cehteh`	`i hope that will improve at least to cheap webcam status soon :/ ... my 12Eur logitech webcam can do much better than the n900`
`20:07.03`	`Robot101`	`cehteh: thats about 250 times more expensive than the front camera... :P`
`20:07.13`	`AakashPatel`	`Haha`
`20:07.18`	`cehteh`	`prolly`
`20:07.27`	`Ed_B`	`woglinde: Just in case. I put all details of the problem here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-December/023227.html`
`20:07.35`	`tekonivelm`	`This is beginning to umravel, i'm looking into /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules and i see no bt-stuff there`
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`20:09.41`	`Ed_B`	`woglinde_ ???`
`20:09.53`	`woglinde_`	`ed_b try dumpkeys`
`20:10.30`	`RST38h`	`moos at Ed Bartosh, for a change`
`20:11.26`	`wazd`	`Ed_B: hello there :)`
`20:11.35`	`Ed_B`	`I don't see dumpkeys on the N900. Which package is it?`
`20:11.42`	`woglinde_`	`hm console-tools`
`20:11.45`	`woglinde_`	`on normal pc`
`20:11.58`	`woglinde_`	`like loadkeys`
`20:12.05`	`Ed_B`	`wazd Hi!`
`20:12.32`	`mza`	`is the SDK installer supposed to work with karmic?:)`
`20:12.46`	`mza`	`cause it aint`
`20:13.24`	`matan`	`Ed_B: do you mean something like xmodmap -pke ?`
`20:13.46`	`AakashPatel`	`Oh maemo, would those windows that just "slide up" but dont go up all the way, considered popup windows?`
`20:14.07`	`tekonivelm`	`My point is that i'm trying to move a single file over bt`
`20:14.25`	`go1dfish`	`AakashPatel: those are considered modal dialogs`
`20:14.36`	`go1dfish`	`or in some cases system modal`
`20:14.52`	`AakashPatel`	`Hmm`
`20:14.53`	`cehteh`	`is there a app which makes photos with the frontcam?`
`20:14.59`	`Ed_B`	`matan: Not exactly. I just want to know which of two configured layouts is active.`
`20:15.13`	`AakashPatel`	`cehteh: why would want to is the real question ;)`
`20:15.13`	`go1dfish`	`cehteh: there is Mirror, which will show you the output of the frontcam`
`20:15.27`	`go1dfish`	`and after seeing it you will realize why there isn't one`
`20:15.40`	`AakashPatel`	`So true.`
`20:15.41`	`wazd`	`Ed_B: everything went fine with DDP? :)`
`20:15.55`	`go1dfish`	`supposedly it's just waiting for firmware improvements`
`20:16.03`	`Ed_B`	`matan: the idea is to be able to switch between them programmatically.`
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`20:16.29`	`cehteh`	`make a n900 theft protection .. if proximity sensor is free, and bright enough and n900 got shaken recently then take frontcam photos and push them with geotag to server :)`
`20:16.35`	`Ed_B`	`wazd: Yes, everything went just fine. Thank you!`
`20:16.55`	`wazd`	`Ed_B: well, no poroblem :)`
`20:17.21`	`matan`	`Ed_B: setxkbmap -print`
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`20:17.40`	`go1dfish`	`anyone know a way to force trackerd to reindex`
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`20:17.56`	`go1dfish`	`media player and photo app can't find anything for some reason right now`
`20:18.19`	`Ed_B`	`matan: been there. It always prints out the same layout.`
`20:18.24`	`go1dfish`	`and in File Browser...`
`20:18.47`	`go1dfish`	`Documents, Music, Photos, Pictures and Videos each get listed twice`
`20:19.27`	`go1dfish`	`though the corresponding dirs are only present once`
`20:20.23`	`cehteh`	`go1dfish: does it just think usb is connected and the doc partition is unmounted?`
`20:21.13`	`go1dfish`	`cehteh: nah I've had that happen before`
`20:21.16`	`go1dfish`	`MyDocs is mounted`
`20:21.20`	`go1dfish`	`and the problem persists across reboots`
`20:21.32`	`go1dfish`	`im wondering if I should try wiping out .cache/tracker`
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`20:22.19`	`go1dfish`	`and .local/share/tracker`
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`20:24.17`	`cehteh`	`mhm .. iptables, policy based routing .. i think i need a new kernel soon`
`20:24.39`	`SpeedEvil`	`cehteh: encryption`
`20:24.42`	`cehteh`	`that too`
`20:24.49`	`cehteh`	`thats already longer on my list`
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`20:37.11`	`tg`	`is there screen available for maemo in some repo?`
`20:37.14`	`tg`	`was not able to find it`
`20:37.51`	`woglinde`	`just take the debian package and recompile it`
`20:39.04`	`melmoth`	`only 4 console available..this would need to be change before finding screen usefull`
`20:39.44`	`an0nym1te`	`Hi, I am having some problems with internet connectivity from applications such as browser and the application manger from within the Virtual Image SDK. I have the scratchbox environment resolving DNS and have fixed the nokia apt proxy,, so I can apt-get from the scratchbox console, but if I wish to test connectivity (before starting to code...) from one of the maemo applications I receive connection errors`
`20:40.04`	`an0nym1te`	`I can't find anyhting on this in the wiki's/dev guides`
`20:40.16`	`an0nym1te`	`Any help/guidance/pointing to the obvious web page (that I can't find) would be appreciated`
`20:40.49`	`Arkenoi`	`just watched a movie: n900, 3m mpro 120 and a0 paper sheet as a screen. surprisingly not a bad experience.`
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`20:41.10`	`melmoth`	`an0nym1te: this is a regular problem i had on all sdk`
`20:41.31`	`melmoth`	`each time it was because of /etc/resolv.conf not having the "right" setting (wich i do not recall)`
`20:41.35`	`wazd`	`Arkenoi: nerd :D`
`20:41.49`	`melmoth`	`or because some copy of /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf were not set accordingly`
`20:41.56`	`melmoth`	`scracthbox and name resolution is always messy`
`20:42.10`	`an0nym1te`	`melmoth: I have fixed the /etc/resolv.conf for /scratchbox`
`20:42.36`	`an0nym1te`	`Also the apt proxy issue with teh 99Proxy file`
`20:42.47`	`melmoth`	`never heard of a proxy issue`
`20:42.48`	`an0nym1te`	`From scratchbox I can wget/apt-get`
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`20:42.56`	`an0nym1te`	`it is in the Maemo 5 SDK`
`20:43.11`	`melmoth`	`but if you are using a proxy, the application will need to be aware of it and use libconic (if i remember correctly)`
`20:43.17`	`an0nym1te`	`There is an http proxy configured for nokia`
`20:43.24`	`an0nym1te`	`I am not using a proxy`
`20:43.31`	`an0nym1te`	`I removed the procy config for apt`
`20:43.35`	`an0nym1te`	`As I am not a nokian`
`20:43.49`	`an0nym1te`	`There is some inof on this out on the web`
`20:44.05`	`an0nym1te`	`it is fixed now`
`20:44.29`	`an0nym1te`	`the issue is with apps launched within the hildon-application-launcher`
`20:44.39`	`an0nym1te`	`none of them seem to have connectivity`
`20:45.03`	`an0nym1te`	`so I can install apps with apt-get from scratchbox`
`20:45.31`	`an0nym1te`	`and even see the packages in maemo applicationmanager (after apt-get updating from scratchbox cli)`
`20:45.43`	`an0nym1te`	`but I can't download from it`
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`20:45.54`	`an0nym1te`	`nor can I get web pages in teh browser`
`20:46.20`	`melmoth`	`try with some ip instead of name, just to check if it s yet another resolv.conf strageness or a routing issue`
`20:46.24`	`melmoth`	`i bet for name resolution problem`
`20:46.39`	`an0nym1te`	`ok I will double check`
`20:50.25`	`an0nym1te`	`your right`
`20:50.38`	`an0nym1te`	`it is DNS resolution`
`20:51.58`	`an0nym1te`	`The overall scratchbox /etc/resolv.conf is correct, bjut I left the individual scratchbox target resolv.conf as 127.0.0.1 as I read somewhere that it was supposed to be configured that way`
`20:53.01`	`an0nym1te`	`Is there not supposed to be some sort of internet connection daemon that handles the different connectivity methods then serves up a cached DNS?`
`20:53.06`	`RST38h`	`Arkenoi: does not look very goo on flat panels though`
`20:53.51`	`Stskeeps`	`javispedro's screenshots of GLES1.1 on N8x0: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=443213&postcount=369`
`20:54.01`	`woglinde`	`uh`
`20:54.11`	`woglinde`	`did nokia provided the libs now?`
`20:54.15`	`RST38h`	`javis finally got his wish come true :)`
`20:54.51`	`woglinde`	`~seen javispedro`
`20:54.52`	`infobot`	`javispedro is currently on #maemo (6h 24m 10s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 5h 55m 32s, last said: 'and maemo.org is still slow :) well, I see things have not changed much. Good :)'.`
`20:55.00`	`javispedro`	`hi wogline :)`
`20:55.08`	`javispedro`	`ouch. hi woglinde :)`
`20:55.16`	`woglinde`	`hm whats with gles libs?`
`20:55.18`	`RST38h`	`hey javispedro`
`20:55.26`	`woglinde`	`and hi javispedro`
`20:55.34`	`javispedro`	`hi RST38h`
`20:55.58`	`Stskeeps`	`woglinde: TI and imgtec`
`20:56.04`	`javispedro`	`you see, the ball started rolling a few weeks ago :)`
`20:56.23`	`woglinde`	`stskeep officaly? or only for barcelona?`
`20:56.39`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: So, is GLES on n8x0 really worth it?`
`20:56.44`	`Stskeeps`	`woglinde: wasn't in barcelona, but this is going to be a official release`
`20:57.14`	`woglinde`	`when when?`
`20:57.40`	`RST38h`	`http://gizmodo.com/5434970/another-nwa-amsterdamdetroit-flight-requests-emergency-assistance`
`20:57.53`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: I still don't know the actual performance (needs "manual" refresh), but at least we already know it allows 800x480 surfaces`
`20:58.16`	`RST38h`	`now sincerely believes that if he read that "Nigerian Christmas" spam to its end, he would be already flying to Detroid with a firecracker hidden in his ass.`
`20:58.27`	`RST38h`	`Detroit`
`20:59.08`	`RST38h`	`memetic virii ftw`
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`21:01.09`	`RevdKathy`	`Time to power down... 'Night all!`
`21:01.27`	`SpeedEvil`	`Night.`
`21:01.32`	`woglinde`	`nite kathy`
`21:01.52`	`luke-jr`	`RST38h: spam? I've just been getting viruses.`
`21:03.17`	`tbf`	`timeless: can i ask microb to tell me why it doesn't load a certain component?`
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`21:08.53`	`RST38h`	`http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmrdsnotify/`
`21:08.55`	`RST38h`	`Cool`
`21:08.59`	`RST38h`	`No BT required`
`21:09.22`	`Stskeeps`	`isn't there a RDS receiver too btw?`
`21:10.03`	`RST38h`	`should be`
`21:10.13`	`red`	`MSN Protocol Plugin for Maemo 5 replaces Butterfly?`
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`21:10.27`	`red`	`or did they rename it or something,s ince it appeared as an update`
`21:11.41`	`mza`	`SDK installer can't find maemo-tool`
`21:11.47`	`mza`	`was it renamed to maemo-sdk?`
`21:12.29`	`mza`	`maemo-tools excuse me`
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`21:18.16`	`Arkenoi`	`rst38h: btw i found controls i need bring audio output back to internal speakers, just saved amixer output with and without cable to a file, ran diff and changed the appropriate values back`
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`21:20.20`	`Hexagoon`	`i want to make a deb package for libdespotify, where to start? do i have to upload the full svn tree to garage?`
`21:20.36`	`RST38h`	`Arkenoi: Ehehe`
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`21:20.46`	`GAN900`	`Stskeeps, FM Radio has RDS now.`
`21:21.24`	`RST38h`	`It is a 5MB+ install though`
`21:23.15`	`killefiz`	`can anyone think of a way to play the twit-stream on an n900 (http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/twit/live/low )? It stutters using the browser and when using mplayer video is way too slow.`
`21:23.30`	`woglinde`	`mplayer is not using dsp`
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`21:24.11`	`killefiz`	`but the flash-player should?`
`21:24.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`I don't think so.`
`21:24.28`	`woglinde`	`hm dont think so`
`21:24.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`That might actually optimise it.`
`21:24.33`	`woglinde`	`sÃ¼eedevil g`
`21:24.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`And flash can never do that.`
`21:24.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`recent tests of youtube 'hd' flash.`
`21:25.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`mplayer - 60fps - flash ~4.`
`21:25.03`	`woglinde`	`speedevil on windows the new beta flashplayer uses the hw gfx stuff`
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`21:26.25`	`killefiz`	`so no twit live for me ;(`
`21:28.12`	`LuciusMare`	`is there an app for making an ad-hoc wifi network?`
`21:28.27`	`Stskeeps`	`GAN900: cool`
`21:28.42`	`woglinde`	`luciusmare its in connections`
`21:28.48`	`GAN900`	`But man is scrolling broken`
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`21:29.30`	`Anidel`	`gan900 I tried FM Transmitter today in the car.. it worked ONCE and only by sticking the N900 on top of the car radio display :( is its power that poor?`
`21:30.05`	`cehteh`	`Anidel: you have to place it where it reaches the car antenna`
`21:30.12`	`Wolfie`	`Anidel: mine worked in two separate cars beautifully from the back seat`
`21:30.19`	`cehteh`	`if the antenna is on the roof its a bit hard but it works well`
`21:30.25`	`cehteh`	`yeah i used it too`
`21:30.32`	`Anidel`	`I thought so.. will give a second shot next days...`
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`21:30.37`	`cehteh`	`its not really powerful, but never failed`
`21:31.00`	`cehteh`	`sometimes you have to search some good position and choose a channel which is not occupied`
`21:31.01`	`go1dfish`	`when I tried with an antenna on the roof...`
`21:31.08`	`Wolfie`	`your antenna is probably shielded inside the car, not to get too much disturbance from the electrics inside`
`21:31.12`	`go1dfish`	`I had to clip it to the headliner in my e51 case`
`21:31.19`	`cehteh`	`you can try to hijack a radio broadcast .. but that is more fragile`
`21:31.31`	`Anidel`	`right.. that all makes sense`
`21:31.46`	`flux`	`the only times I've had issues with the TM transmitter has been when there is a radio broadcast on the same frequency.`
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`21:31.57`	`Wolfie`	`my n900 hijacked a normal radio broadcast. It silenced the broadcast completely, and all the UI clicks came through, loud and clear :)`
`21:32.26`	`flux`	`what's annoying that when n900 is silent, but sending, it keeps doing some chirp on the transmission`
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`21:32.37`	`flux`	`I guess it's a mandatory behavior, because I don't quite see the point..`
`21:32.38`	`Wolfie`	`now, bedtime`
`21:32.41`	`javispedro`	`ah, the wifi transmitter.`
`21:32.44`	`Anidel`	`cool, thanks.. going to watch a movie on the n900 (with subs) attached to the TV`
`21:32.45`	`javispedro`	`er.. the fmtx.`
`21:32.49`	`Anidel`	`ttyl`
`21:33.07`	`Anidel`	`night wolfie`
`21:33.21`	`cehteh`	`yeah .. strongest signal wins .. and radio transmission signal power is sqrt(distance)`
`21:33.45`	`javispedro`	`though the fmtx power in the n900 is ... ridiculous`
`21:33.55`	`cehteh`	`so even with soem milliwatts you can shadow a 100KW FM tower when you are close to the receiver`
`21:34.03`	`javispedro`	`fortunately, using it with headphones and a little bit of v4l magic is easy enough ;)`
`21:34.15`	`javispedro`	`s/headphones/"external antenna"`
`21:34.34`	`cehteh`	`if it would have more power people would complain that it sucks the battery too much :P`
`21:35.14`	`cehteh`	`the radio receiver inside is really poor .. i never got a good fm signal`
`21:35.23`	`javispedro`	`I guess it has more to do with FCC regulations...`
`21:35.29`	`go1dfish`	`javispedro: you notice an improvement in fmtx with headphones plugged in?`
`21:35.37`	`flux`	`cehteh, and it's annoying that it needs an external antennae :)`
`21:35.47`	`flux`	`won't work with my new shiny bt-headset..`
`21:35.47`	`javispedro`	`goldfish: "improvement" is a small word to describe it.`
`21:35.55`	`cehteh`	`flux: well FM is that. .. and i only used headphone`
`21:36.05`	`javispedro`	`the fmrx is of the usual quality.`
`21:36.12`	`javispedro`	`I can hear some of the nearest stations without external antenna`
`21:36.14`	`flux`	`docscrutinizer, and I've finally established that the unit works just fine :)`
`21:36.23`	`cehteh`	`maybe my headphones are not a good antenna`
`21:36.28`	`flux`	`cehteh, I wonder though how would the unit send FM signal without one..`
`21:36.41`	`cehteh`	`flux: sending is not that much a problem`
`21:36.46`	`flux`	`perhaps part of the reason why it doesn't send that great ;)`
`21:37.06`	`cehteh`	`look at the pcb there is a antenna (copper line) around`
`21:37.18`	`flux`	`and the same copper line doesn't work for receiving?`
`21:37.23`	`cehteh`	`but for reception is more worse`
`21:37.28`	`cehteh`	`nope`
`21:37.50`	`cehteh`	`at least not for me .. reception is mostly noise`
`21:38.09`	`flux`	`well, it could be that the units simply aren't wired so that the antenna could be used by the receiver`
`21:38.32`	`Arkenoi`	`sees the main purpose of fm transmitter is to override annoying radio locally, too bad it does not really work this way`
`21:38.46`	`flux`	`arkenoi, :)`
`21:38.58`	`cehteh`	`waits for a tv-be-gone irreco hack :)`
`21:39.15`	`florian`	`heheh`
`21:39.25`	`flux`	`I just today used the transmitter (with great success) to listen music for an hour, while driving back home`
`21:39.39`	`flux`	`needed to pick a better frequency first, though`
`21:41.05`	`pwnguin`	`banshee claims my phone doesn't support .mov`
`21:41.07`	`pwnguin`	`=(`
`21:41.27`	`flux`	`(can't say I'm surprised)`
`21:41.39`	`cehteh`	`mplayer ftw`
`21:41.51`	`flux`	`having no dsp ftw?`
`21:42.15`	`pwnguin`	`i haven't tested it in the Media Player Yet`
`21:42.21`	`cehteh`	`maybe that doesnt matter .. unless you want to play HD`
`21:42.46`	`flux`	`I've found it does matter, even for sd :/`
`21:42.53`	`pwnguin`	`"The mov format is not supported by the device, and no converter was found to convert it"`
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`21:56.33`	`pwnguin`	`well, the phone seems to play it fine`
`22:00.08`	`Arkenoi`	`noticed that n900 drops frames quite visible way on 624 x 352 24fps XviD`
`22:00.42`	`Arkenoi`	`the video playback is almost smooth, but not completely smooth`
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`22:04.15`	`RST38h`	`Arkenoi: depends`
`22:04.34`	`RST38h`	`Arkenoi: I had a few movies where you could see frames being dropped (moving trains, cars etc)`
`22:04.46`	`wazd`	`ponders about E63`
`22:04.56`	`RST38h`	`Arkenoi: Then someone familiar with video editing said that the movies were encoded at 15fps :)`
`22:05.05`	`lcuk`	`pokes javispedro with a sharp polygon`
`22:05.35`	`lcuk`	`hey rst`
`22:05.49`	`javispedro`	`hi lcuk`
`22:06.00`	`RST38h`	`Arkenoi: Aside from that, the only time I have seen N900 drop frames is if Modest decides to check for email in the background and the device has been on for several days`
`22:06.05`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: moo`
`22:06.26`	`RST38h`	`Arkenoi: The sluggishness problem after several days still requires research though`
`22:06.45`	`lcuk`	`strangely enough rst i dont notice this`
`22:06.58`	`lcuk`	`its rare i reboot or poweroff`
`22:07.16`	`lcuk`	`and not because of suckage like ive seen you describe`
`22:07.17`	`RST38h`	`had to reboot his n900 tonight, after it started acting up (gsm stuff crashed, no top button menu, etc)`
`22:07.30`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: 42.11?`
`22:07.53`	`lcuk`	`at the time, yeah`
`22:08.05`	`RST38h`	`weird`
`22:08.12`	`lcuk`	`different usage cases`
`22:08.13`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: Could you do this experiment`
`22:08.23`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: No I do not think usage cases are relevant here`
`22:08.38`	`lcuk`	`ok gfi`
`22:08.38`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: Keep your device up for 4-7 days without reboot`
`22:08.59`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: Then try starting some apps (Xterm, video player, browser) and shooting photos`
`22:09.04`	`lcuk`	`i cannot promise that`
`22:09.11`	`lcuk`	`i can try`
`22:09.12`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: Check if these operations feel sluggish`
`22:09.25`	`lcuk`	`as ive said, ive not noticed that happening for me`
`22:09.25`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: Do not go out of your way to test this of course`
`22:09.34`	`lcuk`	`ive got 2 devices`
`22:09.55`	`lcuk`	`at least one of them routinely lasts longer than the other`
`22:09.55`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: But many people I talked to confirmed what I am seeing, so the problem is apparently there`
`22:09.59`	`go1dfish`	`lcuk: have you tried swapping the batteries?`
`22:09.59`	`lcuk`	`indeed`
`22:10.08`	`lcuk`	`and may again be linked to usage patterns`
`22:10.21`	`lcuk`	`go1dfish, swapping the batteries tends to upset uptime, but yeah`
`22:10.38`	`RST38h`	`ok, <sleep>`
`22:10.57`	`lcuk`	`speak to you in 4-7 days RST38h`
`22:11.15`	`RST38h`	`ah, I am sure we will converse before that :)`
`22:11.17`	`javispedro`	`gnite RST38h`
`22:11.21`	`RST38h`	`g'nite`
`22:11.22`	`lcuk`	`lol`
`22:11.24`	`lcuk`	`nite`
`22:11.46`	`lcuk`	`will prolly be offline for a minimum of 24h from tomorrow`
`22:12.00`	`lcuk`	`maybe longer`
`22:12.24`	`go1dfish`	`cehteh: what's the range on the ir transmitter`
`22:12.37`	`go1dfish`	`I havent managed to get irreco working on anything yet`
`22:12.41`	`cehteh`	`go1dfish: no idea, told to be poor`
`22:12.47`	`go1dfish`	`and is it correct that there is no ir receiver?`
`22:12.48`	`cehteh`	`i didnt tried yet`
`22:13.22`	`lcuk`	`go1dfish, X-Fade tried the ir, he said 2-3metres i believe`
`22:13.30`	`lcuk`	`not overly powerful but also not useless either`
`22:13.45`	`go1dfish`	`thats not horrible, better than the IR port on my Prism and Zaurii`
`22:14.16`	`tbf`	`RST38h: lcuk: those ops will feel slugish as PR1.0 has some serious memory leaks still`
`22:14.18`	`wazd`	`any e63 users in here? :)`
`22:14.37`	`tbf`	`hopefully all serious leaks are gone with PR1.1 :-/`
`22:14.37`	`lcuk`	`tbf, which ops are these - do you know what the leak is from?`
`22:14.50`	`lcuk`	`is it agtk leak or an x11 leak or an app in general leak?`
`22:15.00`	`lcuk`	`cos that might explain why i dont see them and others do`
`22:15.01`	`go1dfish`	`yeah I reboot mine at least once every couple of das`
`22:15.05`	`tbf`	`lcuk: some of the home applets for instance`
`22:15.17`	`lcuk`	`ahh i have minimum`
`22:15.28`	`Robot101`	`tbf: hildon desktop itself also`
`22:15.30`	`matan`	`go1dfish: No IR receiver.`
`22:15.37`	`tbf`	`lcuk: i know of the contact applet and the google search applet loosing lots of memory`
`22:15.50`	`lcuk`	`infact, i have 1 applet`
`22:15.57`	`lcuk`	`media player`
`22:16.05`	`lcuk`	`oooh 2`
`22:16.08`	`lcuk`	`ip address`
`22:16.14`	`lcuk`	`the rest are buttons and links`
`22:16.17`	`go1dfish`	`tbf: you're refferring to the google specific one, not touchsearch correct?`
`22:16.38`	`go1dfish`	`touchsearch is one of the few applets I have enabled`
`22:16.40`	`tbf`	`Robot101: well, most hildon desktop leaks are applet leaks in fact because of the in-process insanity`
`22:16.59`	`lcuk`	`in process plugins arent "memory leaks" by default`
`22:17.14`	`lcuk`	`thats not the problem, its actually difficult to get out of process widgets`
`22:17.23`	`tbf`	`go1dfish: yup. the google specific`
`22:17.29`	`Robot101`	`really not that hard with a compositor`
`22:17.38`	`go1dfish`	`cool, any read on how well behaved the ap news widget is?`
`22:17.38`	`tbf`	`lcuk: X11 makes it trivial, but some moron thought they would cause too much overhead`
`22:17.55`	`tbf`	`lcuk: seems that moron didn't hear about COW and such`
`22:17.57`	`go1dfish`	`thats the only halfway active widget I have, besides personal IP, and the media player applet`
`22:17.57`	`Robot101`	`make a window with alpha, hint it, and the compositor can swallow it and throw it wherever it wants on the desktop`
`22:18.08`	`lcuk`	`wonders if these things are simple, wheres the concept for them so we can build something better from`
`22:18.25`	`go1dfish`	`tbf: out of process widgets are supported in Maemo5? or is that coming in 6?`
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`22:18.32`	`tbf`	`go1dfish: they are`
`22:18.52`	`tbf`	`go1dfish: the contacts applet is one of them. the only one?`
`22:18.57`	`Robot101`	`is planned for 6 for sure, as are UI / engine separated widgets so you can have >1 instance without nonsense going on :)`
`22:19.03`	`lcuk`	`i thought inprocess was the normal way to do plugins in pretty much any system`
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`22:19.22`	`lcuk`	`par for the scourse so to speak`
`22:19.24`	`Robot101`	`lcuk: yes, thats what plugin means. but widgets don't have to be plugins.`
`22:19.25`	`lcuk`	`-s`
`22:19.36`	`Robot101`	`lcuk: panel applets in GNOME are able to be separate processes for example`
`22:19.46`	`Robot101`	`thats just X embedding, no compositing fanciness`
`22:19.47`	`lcuk`	`do many make use of it?`
`22:19.48`	`go1dfish`	`tbf: cool, just wondering I dont use the contacts applet currently`
`22:19.50`	`Robot101`	`bonobo rather than d-bus, but even so`
`22:20.02`	`go1dfish`	`but knowing it's out of process might make me more likely to try it`
`22:20.02`	`lcuk`	`x11 really is supremely clever isnt it`
`22:20.27`	`go1dfish`	`lcuk: I don't know if clever is the word I'd use`
`22:20.30`	`go1dfish`	`extremely flexible`
`22:20.47`	`go1dfish`	`people come up with all kinds of clever things to do with it`
`22:20.49`	`Robot101`	`lcuk: I see 6 separate process applets on this desktop`
`22:21.07`	`lcuk`	`cool`
`22:21.11`	`tbf`	`lcuk: just doesn't help if those days programmers come with windows background and believe windows specific crap like "processes are much heavier than threads" and such`
`22:22.22`	`lcuk`	`Robot101, so does the host still maintain an inprocess stub with the main bulk coming via reparenting`
`22:22.36`	`lcuk`	`or is it all just x11 mangling`
`22:22.37`	`tbf`	`fork() costs you exactly one page at minimum. incredibly heavy, isn't it?`
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`22:23.45`	`GAN900`	`GoddamnitL`
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`22:28.52`	`Robot101`	`lcuk: its just x11 mangling if you do something with x embedding or compositing, no stub`
`22:29.08`	`lcuk`	`cool`
`22:31.22`	`tbf`	`blah.`
`22:31.23`	`tbf`	`No symbol "context_value" in current context.`
`22:31.28`	`tbf`	`I hate you, gdb`
`22:31.34`	`tbf`	`and gcc and whoever.`
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`22:32.26`	`ml-N900`	`-O0 ftw`
`22:32.52`	`wolf^`	`tbf, have they fixed the template support in gdb already? :>`
`22:33.21`	`lcuk`	`wolf^, template support?`
`22:33.59`	`lcuk`	`theres gdb7.0 test version which works with qt, after the holidays the finalversion of that should be updated to the sdk somewhere`
`22:34.16`	`lcuk`	`tbf, what you debugging?`
`22:34.36`	`wolf^`	`lcuk, template<class T> class a{ a( T b ) { ... } };`
`22:34.42`	`lcuk`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6298`
`22:34.44`	`povbot`	`Bug 6298: gdb 6.8 very unstable, please upgrade to >=7.0`
`22:34.58`	`wolf^`	`lcuk, gdb did not work with such a thing`
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`22:35.16`	`lcuk`	`then its not been fixed`
`22:35.49`	`tbf`	`lcuk: wolf^: libdbus-glib. plain C`
`22:35.57`	`wolf^`	`i prefer to use printf instead of gdb`
`22:36.03`	`wolf^`	`it's that bad`
`22:36.37`	`tbf`	`ml-N900: -O0 disables useful warnings`
`22:36.37`	`wolf^`	`tbf, had the same problem with missing variables which obviously were used`
`22:36.41`	`wolf^`	`no solution though`
`22:36.58`	`tbf`	`wolf^: well, "-O0" like ml-N900 suggested`
`22:37.19`	`tbf`	`but that's also just a really bad work around`
`22:37.25`	`wolf^`	`tbf, except it does not help`
`22:38.23`	`tbf`	`hmm. still should try harry's gdb7 package`
`22:39.23`	`lcuk`	`yes and let me know if that works, its almost identical to the 70 standard, but the servers closed down for xmas before i could update it`
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`22:41.37`	`tbf`	`wow. in this special case gdb7 is worse: it just skips to end of function for dbus-glib's invoke_object_method`
`22:41.47`	`tbf`	`on this statement:`
`22:41.48`	`tbf`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:41.48`	`tbf`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:41.48`	`tbf`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:41.48`	`tbf`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:42.10`	`tbf`	`well, seems i shall install a -O0 version of libdbus-glib :-/`
`22:42.12`	`tbf`	`bah.`
`22:42.25`	`wazd`	`RST38h: asleep?`
`22:42.31`	`lcuk`	`are you on actual hardware`
`22:42.38`	`lcuk`	`or in armel on scratchbox or x86?`
`22:43.09`	`tbf`	`lcuk: scatchbox, x86 target, 64bit host`
`22:44.43`	`lcuk`	`mm`
`22:47.36`	`jello69_`	`ty tbf`
`22:51.36`	`tbf`	`http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-50196-6.html â 400 km/h with this primitive windows and those large gaps between the wagons...`
`22:52.10`	`tbf`	`seems any jet is silent compared to this train`
`22:52.35`	`wazd`	`Hochgeschwindigkeitsstrecke`
`22:52.41`	`wazd`	`is this a word? :D`
`22:53.02`	`wazd`	`or someone fell asleep on the keyboard? :D`
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`22:53.11`	`tbf`	`wazd: yes it is.`
`22:53.13`	`LuciusMare`	`hi`
`22:53.26`	`tbf`	`wazd: compound noun. high speed track`
`22:53.53`	`LuciusMare`	`when i try to make an ad-hoc wifi network,i get to the key selecting,i choose all keys the same (abcdefgh) but it always tells me "incorrect characters".`
`22:53.57`	`LuciusMare`	`any ideas?`
`22:54.01`	`wazd`	`tbf: seriously, that's a damn long word :)`
`22:54.25`	`woglinde`	`LuciusMare make an not encrypting ad-hoc network`
`22:54.32`	`wazd`	`oh, I see trecke`
`22:54.43`	`wazd`	`that means "tracks" I guess`
`22:54.55`	`LuciusMare`	`woglinde: but i want an encrypted network`
`22:54.58`	`wazd`	`Hoch is "high"`
`22:55.24`	`tbf`	`wazd: yup, geschwindigkeit is the monster`
`22:55.25`	`wazd`	`and the 3rd part is speed I guess :D`
`22:55.40`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`22:56.20`	`tbf`	`wazd: "geschwind" - old verb for "doing something quickly"`
`22:56.33`	`tbf`	`wazd: +"ig" â adverb`
`22:56.38`	`wazd`	`well, in russia we also have long worls like ïåðåðàñïðåäåëåíèå :)`
`22:56.43`	`tbf`	`wazd: +"keit" â noun`
`22:57.16`	`wazd`	`tbf: I never knew german :) Only english and bits of french :)`
`22:57.20`	`LuciusMare`	`wazd: heh,all i see is iaoaoanioaaaaaaeiaaaa`
`22:57.42`	`wazd`	`LuciusMare: yeah, that means "dog"`
`22:58.04`	`LuciusMare`	`huh`
`22:58.07`	`wazd`	`:D`
`22:58.07`	`tbf`	`wazd: well, seems the word "geschwindigkeit" was establish by some Swabian guy. actually benz and daimler came from that region...`
`22:58.12`	`wazd`	`just kidding :)`
`22:58.18`	`LuciusMare`	`i thought so`
`22:58.24`	`LuciusMare`	`in my language,we also have long words`
`22:58.26`	`LuciusMare`	`such as`
`22:58.31`	`tbf`	`well... and how do the Swabians promote them self those days?`
`22:58.40`	`LuciusMare`	`nejneobhospodarovavatelnejsi`
`22:58.43`	`LuciusMare`	`which means`
`22:58.48`	`tbf`	`"Wie kÃ¶nna Ã¤lles, aussa Hochdeutsch"`
`22:58.57`	`Macer`	`anybody here know how to disable color in screenrc?`
`22:59.03`	`Macer`	`i don't want screen using any type of color`
`22:59.06`	`tbf`	`hm. "Mer kÃ¶nna Ã¤llesz aussa Hochdeutsch"`
`22:59.19`	`tbf`	`(we can everything but proper german)`
`22:59.25`	`LuciusMare`	`The most not farmable`
`22:59.27`	`wazd`	`LuciusMare: now that's a dog, i know :D`
`22:59.30`	`LuciusMare`	`heh`
`22:59.37`	`LuciusMare`	`nope,dog in my language is simply "pes"`
`22:59.50`	`wazd`	`heh, like in russian :0`
`22:59.54`	`LuciusMare`	`:)`
`23:00.00`	`LuciusMare`	`My language is czech.`
`23:00.04`	`LuciusMare`	`I bet you know it`
`23:00.08`	`wazd`	`oh, now I see :)`
`23:01.07`	`wazd`	`seriously, no E63/E71 users in here? :(`
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`23:01.26`	`MaceG1`	`omg these frigging colors`
`23:01.34`	`MaceG1`	`driving me nuts`
`23:02.09`	`LuciusMare`	`wazd: i am an E17 user`
`23:02.29`	`wazd`	`LuciusMare: oh, and how's it? :)`
`23:02.43`	`wazd`	`LuciusMare: E63 is pretty the same, only cheaper and plastic`
`23:02.59`	`wazd`	`LuciusMare: I wanted E71 but it's hella expensive`
`23:04.59`	`LuciusMare`	`no e71`
`23:05.14`	`LuciusMare`	`www.enlightenment.org`
`23:05.17`	`LuciusMare`	`;)`
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`23:05.25`	`wazd`	`LuciusMare: ah`
`23:05.35`	`wazd`	`LuciusMare: I thought it was a typo :)`
`23:05.43`	`mikhas`	`lol`
`23:05.43`	`LuciusMare`	`nope :)`
`23:05.58`	`LuciusMare`	`And while we are in #maemo, i heard something about e17 ported to maemo`
`23:06.10`	`wazd`	`to Mer`
`23:06.16`	`lcuk`	`canola is built on the e17 libraries aint it`
`23:06.26`	`LuciusMare`	`hm`
`23:06.32`	`LuciusMare`	`er`
`23:06.37`	`LuciusMare`	`what is the difference between maemo and mer?`
`23:06.52`	`lcuk`	`spelling`
`23:06.55`	`LuciusMare`	`lol`
`23:07.11`	`lcuk`	`mer is a ground up reconstruction`
`23:07.19`	`LuciusMare`	`wait,maemo is opensource,right?`
`23:07.22`	`lcuk`	`using sane parts and trying to be open`
`23:07.34`	`LuciusMare`	`maemo... is not opensource?`
`23:07.49`	`lcuk`	`to a degree, theres many OSS components used but somethings are closed`
`23:08.03`	`LuciusMare`	`such as?`
`23:08.11`	`lcuk`	`does some handwaving, others are better at explaining it`
`23:08.28`	`LuciusMare`	`catches his hand`
`23:08.30`	`LuciusMare`	`drivers?`
`23:08.37`	`javispedro`	`most user visible applications`
`23:08.44`	`LuciusMare`	`:o`
`23:08.52`	`javispedro`	`including the calculator`
`23:08.54`	`LuciusMare`	`GUI?`
`23:08.56`	`LuciusMare`	`lol`
`23:09.06`	`LuciusMare`	`calculator is closed source? giggle`
`23:09.27`	`javispedro`	`the notes app, the sketch app, the rss viewer, the calendar (iirc), the browser interface, ...`
`23:09.44`	`jello69_`	`the apps that brand a user expierence are controlled`
`23:09.53`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: historic reasons. historic reasons.`
`23:09.56`	`LuciusMare`	`holey carp`
`23:10.06`	`LuciusMare`	`why didnt they just open it?`
`23:10.11`	`jello69_`	`because .. look at the screwups who write community software`
`23:10.19`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: before nokia understood this maemo thing, they had the policy of keeping all UI stuff closed`
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`23:10.46`	`LuciusMare`	`tbf: i guess they can releaes the codes now,when they fully understood these linuxes?`
`23:10.47`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: and now project leaders have to do a lot of paper work and deal with many nokia lawyers to undo such crap`
`23:10.48`	`woglinde_`	`so where is the gdb-7.0 package?`
`23:11.00`	`lcuk`	`woglinde, in that bug report i posted earlier`
`23:11.14`	`lcuk`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6298`
`23:11.15`	`povbot`	`Bug 6298: gdb 6.8 very unstable, please upgrade to >=7.0`
`23:11.23`	`woglinde_`	`thanks luck`
`23:11.24`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: so unless there is a lot of motivation behind opening some stuff, it just won't happen`
`23:11.25`	`woglinde_`	`I have to debug navit`
`23:11.26`	`lcuk`	`ive got the 7.0 here, ill find some server space if yo uwant it`
`23:11.40`	`LuciusMare`	`i think that especially the browser interface should be open`
`23:11.43`	`lcuk`	`the 7.0 mentioned in the comments is a side by side install`
`23:11.45`	`LuciusMare`	`(the whole browser*`
`23:11.48`	`LuciusMare`	`)`
`23:11.53`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: say thank you to the lawyers. as usual.`
`23:11.55`	`woglinde_`	`ah harald from trolltech`
`23:12.03`	`lcuk`	`yeah`
`23:12.39`	`jello69_`	`try tear browser`
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`23:12.46`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: for instance we have an open source ticking running for the contacts application...`
`23:12.47`	`LuciusMare`	`gathers an OSS flag, printed GNU/GPL,cd's with debian and approaches nokia rapidly`
`23:12.58`	`tbf`	`...but those lawyers are slow... incredibly slow`
`23:13.11`	`tbf`	`guess we'll have Maemo7, before they even came to a conclusion.`
`23:13.11`	`jello69_`	`LuciusMare: you may be interested in working on #mer`
`23:13.23`	`LuciusMare`	`tbf: i dont understand you,what is "open source ticking" ?`
`23:13.36`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: ticket`
`23:13.45`	`LuciusMare`	`>.>`
`23:13.52`	`woglinde_`	`wtf the fuck`
`23:13.55`	`LuciusMare`	`for instance,we have what?`
`23:14.04`	`woglinde_`	`I cannt type the ~ into the browser url window`
`23:14.04`	`jello69_`	`redundant woglinde_`
`23:14.13`	`jello69_`	`heh`
`23:14.23`	`LuciusMare`	`nevermind`
`23:14.28`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: quim and my project leader did all necessary paper work for opening contacts about two (or three?) months ago.`
`23:14.34`	`tbf`	`still no progress.`
`23:14.52`	`jello69_`	`ty for that tbf`
`23:15.01`	`woglinde_`	`lol`
`23:15.05`	`woglinde_`	`{ works`
`23:15.34`	`woglinde_`	`but ~ which genuis thought about that`
`23:15.57`	`LuciusMare`	`oh`
`23:16.05`	`LuciusMare`	`aw`
`23:16.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`How do you open the symbols page?`
`23:16.21`	`woglinde_`	`-> sym`
`23:16.22`	`LuciusMare`	`is there a chance that one day,maemo will be released as free?`
`23:16.24`	`SpeedEvil`	`I usually bang on ctrl/blue a bit and it sometimes pops up`
`23:16.33`	`woglinde_`	`speedevil right`
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`23:16.46`	`woglinde_`	`and when I type on the ~ its got marked`
`23:16.50`	`woglinde_`	`nothing more`
`23:16.52`	`SpeedEvil`	`woglinde: what is the proper keystroke?`
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`23:17.18`	`woglinde_`	`if I type the { it got inserted`
`23:17.49`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: parts of it will always be closed`
`23:17.54`	`LuciusMare`	`tbf: such as?`
`23:18.08`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: for instance parts of the GSM stack cannot be opened for license and regulation rules`
`23:18.15`	`red`	`woglinde_: i've noticed that aswell`
`23:18.31`	`red`	`had to copypaste it so far`
`23:18.31`	`SpeedEvil`	`tbf: that's completely seperate. That's - at the moment at least - running on a seperate core.`
`23:18.42`	`tbf`	`LuciusMare: or for instance battery management won't be opened, cause nokia don't want to pay compensations for victims of exploding batteries`
`23:18.42`	`woglinde_`	`red thanks`
`23:18.43`	`SpeedEvil`	`tbf: as is bluetooth, wifi.`
`23:18.53`	`woglinde_`	`red is cut and paste working for that?`
`23:18.57`	`LuciusMare`	`hah`
`23:19.03`	`red`	`for me atleast`
`23:19.07`	`SpeedEvil`	`tbf: and the battery managment is usually in actual hardware. - at least for the 'not blow up' functions.`
`23:19.21`	`woglinde_`	`args`
`23:19.26`	`woglinde_`	`dont works on shell either`
`23:19.36`	`woglinde_`	`okay evil trick`
`23:19.37`	`red`	`it doesnt work anywhere :p`
`23:19.41`	`red`	`~`
`23:19.42`	`woglinde_`	`paste per ssh`
`23:19.44`	`red`	`here you go`
`23:19.47`	`red`	`:D`
`23:19.47`	`woglinde_`	`and cat the the file`
`23:19.53`	`woglinde_`	`I chatting from my desktop`
`23:20.02`	`ifreq`	`anyone familiar with http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php ?`
`23:20.17`	`red`	`i made a alias to connect to irc since i have a ~ in the line`
`23:20.22`	`red`	`was driving me crazy at first`
`23:20.25`	`jello69_`	`quicksynergy runs on tablet`
`23:20.38`	`SpeedEvil`	`Hmm. Overlaid transparent symbol keyboard for the term would be nice`
`23:20.44`	`SpeedEvil`	`configurable`
`23:21.11`	`jello69_`	`ypu can add symbols to xterm border`
`23:21.17`	`red`	`SpeedEvil: would be cool to pick up what symbols are shown in x ter`
`23:21.22`	`SpeedEvil`	`jello69_: yeah - I want to nuke that though.`
`23:21.23`	`red`	`like the pgup pgdn etc`
`23:21.30`	`jello69_`	`i have ~ \| >`
`23:21.31`	`woglinde_`	`hms what was the cut paste sequenez?`
`23:21.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`jello69_: Actual fullscreen`
`23:21.42`	`SpeedEvil`	`woglinde: ctrl-c/v?`
`23:21.43`	`jello69_`	`ah`
`23:21.49`	`red`	`mm, where do I fiddle around in order to add symbols there jello69_?`
`23:22.10`	`woglinde`	`wow worked`
`23:22.15`	`jello69_`	`someone posted gconf strings to irc`
`23:22.34`	`jello69_`	`ruskie`
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`23:25.22`	`LuciusMare`	`is there a guide how to boot off a sd card on rover?`
`23:25.27`	`lcuk`	`hey johnx`
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`23:25.34`	`red`	`elo`
`23:25.35`	`MaceG1`	`awesome`
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`23:25.37`	`tbf`	`jello69_: if open source contacts is important for you, please vote on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5549`
`23:25.38`	`povbot`	`Bug 5549: libosso-abook should be open source`
`23:25.45`	`MaceG1`	`well... this is a little better`
`23:25.49`	`jello69_`	`http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926&page=3 red`
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`23:27.53`	`LuciusMare`	`no? :(`
`23:28.21`	`SpeedEvil`	`Is it possible to reflash from SD card?`
`23:28.31`	`SpeedEvil`	`has lost his USB lead.`
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`23:28.39`	`SpeedEvil`	`aha.`
`23:28.45`	`SpeedEvil`	`has found his USB lead.`
`23:29.09`	`wolf^`	`lead?`
`23:29.15`	`wolf^`	`cable?`
`23:29.24`	`red`	`jello69_: doh`
`23:29.26`	`red`	`shoulda checked irc`
`23:29.32`	`red`	`was browsing thru ruskies posts :D`
`23:30.00`	`LuciusMare`	`ay,i hate my dog`
`23:30.05`	`LuciusMare`	`he has got a hump-toy`
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`23:30.44`	`LuciusMare`	`its a big plushy mouse he humps,but...er i dont want to have him doing himself on the couch,so i always throw it behind a corner,in his house,but he keeps pulling it back`
`23:31.42`	`red`	`:D`
`23:31.45`	`red`	`ty for info`
`23:32.04`	`LuciusMare`	`kinda tmi,eh?`
`23:32.05`	`jello69_`	`luciusmare know any python?`
`23:32.26`	`LuciusMare`	`jello69_: like, /usr/bin/python ?`
`23:32.32`	`jello69_`	`i want some ui tweaks to gpodder and my changes dont work yet`
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`23:33.07`	`WM-Sef`	`hello :)`
`23:33.28`	`n900evil`	`leaves to flash.`
`23:33.28`	`jello69_`	`like downloads window to retain most recent files fetched and let me launch them`
`23:33.41`	`WM-Sef`	`I've a problem guys`
`23:33.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`WM-Sef: Can nobody else solve it?`
`23:34.02`	`jello69_`	`going to 10 different feeds to play updates is bad UI`
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`23:34.05`	`Disease`	`hello`
`23:34.06`	`SpeedEvil`	`If so, maybe you can call the A-team?`
`23:34.08`	`WM-Sef`	`I have a Nokia N900 image, and I want to extract it`
`23:34.27`	`WM-Sef`	`I can extract the bin`
`23:34.39`	`WM-Sef`	`but now it stuck on the rootfs.jffs2`
`23:34.51`	`Disease`	`I have a question, MaStory is good for Dotclear or only wordpress ?`
`23:35.01`	`WM-Sef`	`error reading superblock while mounting :/`
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`23:36.17`	`SpeedEvil`	`LuciusMare: A 6" nail would solve that problem.`
`23:36.39`	`LuciusMare`	`SpeedEvil: i am afraid to understand it`
`23:37.32`	`WM-Sef`	`any helps on this one?`
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`23:37.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`LuciusMare: nail the mouse to the floor`
`23:37.46`	`LuciusMare`	`oh`
`23:37.52`	`javispedro`	`do you think it would be... um... "right" to post software in extras that allows one to override the "no-headphones" restriction in the fmtx?`
`23:38.05`	`LuciusMare`	`i thought you mean a fingernail`
`23:38.59`	`red`	`jello69_: what are pgup and pgdown called there`
`23:39.04`	`red`	`im adding mostly same buttons than listed there`
`23:39.13`	`red`	`but i wanna keep those and perhaps control aswell`
`23:39.59`	`jello69_`	`i renamed yo Up and Dn`
`23:40.12`	`red`	`ye but whats the "key" name?`
`23:40.16`	`red`	`pageup and pagedn ?`
`23:40.36`	`WM-Sef`	`how to extract rootfs.jffs2 guys?`
`23:40.46`	`lbt`	`WM-Sef: yeah, they're all drunk. Sorry I sent you here :) Someone will help though. IIRC you need the flasher3 tool`
`23:40.50`	`lbt`	`try ~flashing`
`23:40.53`	`lbt`	`~flashing`
`23:40.54`	`infobot`	`i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware`
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`23:41.18`	`WM-Sef`	`I have it`
`23:41.30`	`SpeedEvil`	`WM-Sef: why/`
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`23:41.54`	`lcuk`	`wazd, your menu - how does the transition between h/v work? can you do one of your flash mockups (like parallax/fade/context ones) ?`
`23:41.58`	`pwnguin`	`anyone know a way to bump up the quality of jpg the camera makes?`
`23:41.59`	`WM-Sef`	`cuz I want to look in the image`
`23:42.07`	`red`	`Anyone know what Page Up and Page Down are called on the device? the actual key names`
`23:42.10`	`pwnguin`	`right now it seems set to 85, which is kinda not good =(`
`23:42.13`	`red`	`for use with customizing the x term bar`
`23:42.14`	`SpeedEvil`	`pwnguin: more light?`
`23:42.25`	`SpeedEvil`	`pwnguin: More attractive friends?`
`23:42.35`	`pwnguin`	`clever, but not really helping`
`23:42.38`	`lcuk`	`you have as always presented those mods very nicely :) i do like the bar of quicklaunch items`
`23:42.45`	`SpeedEvil`	`pwnguin: you mean the jpeg quality?`
`23:42.46`	`SpeedEvil`	`ah`
`23:43.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`pwnguin: there is an option in the camera I think - and 85 is usually quite OK`
`23:43.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`pwnguin: consider also that the camera really isn't that good. You are not losing the sharpness due to 85 quality`
`23:43.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`pwnguin: I would look to see where in the camera I found it - but I'm currently flashing`
`23:44.04`	`pwnguin`	`yea, but i'd like to know how much of it is camera and how much is compression loss`
`23:44.29`	`SpeedEvil`	`take a blank white frame, with a small bit of detail in teh middle`
`23:44.37`	`WM-Sef`	`does the Maemo sdk have a rootfs too?`
`23:44.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`ah - finished`
`23:44.51`	`red`	`jello69_: i suck at googling, can you recall the correct syntax for page up and down keys?`
`23:45.29`	`pwnguin`	`red: in what api?`
`23:45.41`	`wazd`	`lcuk: don't have much time now for flash - too much work`
`23:45.46`	`pwnguin`	`KEY_PGDWN?`
`23:45.49`	`pwnguin`	`err`
`23:45.50`	`red`	`x terminal, pwnguin`
`23:45.53`	`pwnguin`	`KEY_PGDN`
`23:46.15`	`red`	`reconfiguring the bar with esc ctrl pgup pgdn`
`23:46.23`	`red`	`but wasnt sure and couldnt find`
`23:46.28`	`red`	`ill try those`
`23:47.24`	`red`	`pwnguin: u sure it requires the key_ prefix?`
`23:47.34`	`red`	`as dead_grave, bar etc dont`
`23:47.35`	`lcuk`	`wazd, fair enough, if you do get creative with it though, add it to the article it would help to see how it wouldreact`
`23:48.11`	`pwnguin`	`red: no, which is why im asking what api`
`23:48.36`	`red`	`k, i think i found the file with the aliases`
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`23:49.22`	`LuciusMare`	`*gulp`
`23:49.23`	`LuciusMare`	`*`
`23:49.30`	`LuciusMare`	`i installed ssh2 server`
`23:49.36`	`LuciusMare`	`it wants a new ROOT password`
`23:49.38`	`LuciusMare`	`!`
`23:49.38`	`pwnguin`	`red: just a guess, but maybe you're looking for this? http://ascii-table.com/ansi-escape-sequences-vt-100.php`
`23:49.49`	`SpeedEvil`	`LuciusMare: so supply one`
`23:49.51`	`lcuk`	`\o/ holy returning features coming back from history batman!`
`23:49.52`	`Ceron`	`http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/12619521077.jpg`
`23:49.56`	`pwnguin`	`LuciusMare: new? try first`
`23:50.04`	`GAN900`	`LuciusMare, that's because the default is really easy to guess.`
`23:50.09`	`GAN900`	`pwnguin, default is rootme.`
`23:50.13`	`pwnguin`	`orly?`
`23:50.19`	`pwnguin`	`i figured it came without one`
`23:50.20`	`GAN900`	`pwnguin, there's just no easy way to use it.`
`23:50.26`	`GAN900`	`No user password`
`23:51.20`	`tbf`	`Robot101: YES. may crazy facebook hack works`
`23:51.42`	`type_t`	`# <WM-sef> lets see where did you get the one you have now?.. . full root_fs_ext2 you can open..`
`23:51.48`	`SpeedEvil`	`tbf: You haven't created an account so sidestepped all the drama?`
`23:51.52`	`tbf`	`Robot101: working around the TOS by injecting a component into microb :-D`
`23:52.01`	`red`	`pwnguin: You know the little toolbar in bottom of x term app. The one with "Esc Ctrl PgUp PgDn"`
`23:52.10`	`pwnguin`	`red: and tab`
`23:52.16`	`pwnguin`	`handy handy tab`
`23:52.19`	`red`	`http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926&page=3`
`23:52.20`	`tbf`	`Robot101: facebook chat via telepathy is coming.`
`23:52.24`	`pwnguin`	`demands bash-autocomplete!`
`23:52.34`	`red`	`doing something like that :)`
`23:52.37`	`WM-Sef`	`via a friend of mine`
`23:52.47`	`WM-Sef`	`he owns a N900`
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`23:53.12`	`pwnguin`	`red: why not go look at the source code for it?`
`23:54.51`	`red`	`im a newb :)`
`23:55.07`	`LuciusMare`	`http://pastebin.com/d4e336070 ?`
`23:55.07`	`red`	`atleast with anything that is linux based`
`23:55.57`	`type_t`	`# no way to do a $ sudo mount -t jffs2 /thefs/root_fs.jffs2 /mount -o loop right..?`
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`23:56.52`	`red`	`just wonder why my gconftool says unknown option -2`
`23:57.56`	`WM-Sef`	`no`
`23:58.08`	`WM-Sef`	`mtd block device method:`
`23:58.23`	`WM-Sef`	`error reading superblock`
`23:58.31`	`red`	`ahh, iit was gconftool-2`
`23:58.35`	`red`	`not -2, hah`

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