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| 00:01.27 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i need a shoulder to cry on |
| 00:02.10 | jebba | anyone using sbdmock with fremantle? :) FWIW, i built python-pip for lenny if anyone needs it |
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| 00:04.01 | jaek__ | man i need a hardware tab key |
| 00:04.40 | jaek__ | this keyboard really isnt good for using it as an X terminal |
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| 00:05.01 | SpeedEvil | slide in from the left of the screen should do it. |
| 00:05.12 | timeless_mbp | ctrl-t ? |
| 00:05.14 | SpeedEvil | (it doesn't) |
| 00:05.45 | SpeedEvil | jaek__: what about the on-screen-tab? |
| 00:06.34 | timeless_mbp | jaek__: i've had no trouble using the onscreen tab |
| 00:06.46 | timeless_mbp | as hit targets go, it's bigger than a normal key |
| 00:09.46 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to lose the onscreen tab, and have a few gestures - but... |
| 00:10.33 | timeless_mbp | yeah, because interfering with scrolling and selection and clicking into links are such great ideas |
| 00:12.52 | jaek__ | yeah i dont want to resort to using onscreen soft keys |
| 00:13.07 | SpeedEvil | personally, clicking into links isn't that valuable to me, and I'd generally prefer pgup/down to scrolly |
| 00:13.38 | SpeedEvil | And yes, of course the proper response is to make my own term. |
| 00:13.40 | SpeedEvil | But meh. |
| 00:14.06 | jaek__ | pssh battery barely lasts a day |
| 00:14.21 | jaek__ | anyways ill be back later to whine some more |
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| 00:14.52 | SpeedEvil | is annoyed he's broken another laptop. |
| 00:15.03 | SpeedEvil | dropped while open, fractured case. |
| 00:17.40 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: next time, get a mac :) |
| 00:18.06 | SpeedEvil | they're drop-proof? |
| 00:18.16 | timeless_mbp | dunno |
| 00:19.00 | SpeedEvil | I'll be repairing this one, with the help of ebay. |
| 00:19.06 | SpeedEvil | If I can't get warranty work done free. |
| 00:19.26 | SpeedEvil | Bought from ebay. |
| 00:19.35 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: ping l10n |
| 00:19.42 | timeless_mbp | looks for a brit |
| 00:20.24 | sp3000 | why does that leave me thingking what you'll get when you cross a penguin and a lion |
| 00:20.32 | sp3000 | thinking even |
| 00:20.40 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, the clock backup scripts rock |
| 00:20.49 | timeless_mbp | the .conf file is a "settings" thing |
| 00:20.50 | sp3000 | they rock the clock? |
| 00:20.59 | timeless_mbp | and the .sh file is a "comm_and_cal" thing |
| 00:21.05 | timeless_mbp | so if you only backup one or the other |
| 00:21.09 | timeless_mbp | say goodbye to your alarms |
| 00:21.15 | SpeedEvil | timeless? |
| 00:21.23 | SpeedEvil | is from Scotland. |
| 00:21.24 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: yes? |
| 00:21.29 | timeless_mbp | oh, that might do |
| 00:21.57 | sp3000 | clever |
| 00:22.25 | timeless_mbp | well, it saves on cpu cycles for the backup :) |
| 00:22.38 | sp3000 | thinks he knows what you get when you cross a lion, preiod |
| 00:22.49 | timeless_mbp | s/prei/peri/ |
| 00:22.53 | sp3000 | and that |
| 00:24.27 | sp3000 | so I think the correct answer must be that when you cross a lion and a penguin, what you get is -- a head start |
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| 00:28.17 | jebba | on builder: |
| 00:28.19 | jebba | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/Release.gpg Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (195.54.111.99). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 00:29.39 | AakashPatel | Looks like its down |
| 00:29.40 | AakashPatel | D: |
| 00:30.02 | jebba | MIRRORS! |
| 00:30.25 | jebba | i can't believe there are zero responses to my mirror thread i started in t.m.o community. Seems like a really basic thing to do. |
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| 00:31.51 | amr | night |
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| 00:33.21 | Venomrush | help |
| 00:33.46 | pupnik | plonk |
| 00:34.02 | Venomrush | application manager been giving operation error all day yesterday |
| 00:34.05 | Venomrush | still doing it now |
| 00:34.20 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: maybe i'm wrong |
| 00:34.27 | Venomrush | was told it's something to do with extras-testing being down |
| 00:34.36 | Macer | ugh |
| 00:34.41 | Macer | i am installing the xp services for unix |
| 00:34.44 | Macer | just for nfs support in xp :) |
| 00:34.59 | Macer | samba goes like way too slow over the tethered vpn |
| 00:35.35 | superdump | VDVsx: the solution was to clear out /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 00:35.49 | superdump | then mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 00:35.53 | superdump | then apt-get update |
| 00:36.02 | superdump | something went wrong with apt i guess |
| 00:36.13 | superdump | thought it was up to date but wasn't actually |
| 00:36.23 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: ok, i'm wrong |
| 00:36.28 | superdump | thought you'd like to know in case anyone else complains about it too :) |
| 00:36.50 | timeless_mbp | the alarms are exclusively in the calendar set |
| 00:36.57 | timeless_mbp | and are covered by 'alarmd.conf' not 'clockd.conf' |
| 00:37.01 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 00:37.05 | timeless_mbp | goes to fix a string |
| 00:37.09 | VDVsx | superdump, well, you're supposed to use the app manager not apt-get :p |
| 00:37.42 | VDVsx | superdump, I also had problems with the cache, but can't reproduce them in order to report a bug |
| 00:38.44 | superdump | of course, but it's probably some corner case in apt that is unusual and has happened to be triggered |
| 00:39.30 | pupnik | feature suggestion for t.m.o: ignore posts and threads from members j who joined after any particular date, with a positive list for exceptions |
| 00:40.18 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: or you could be like me and say "what's that?" |
| 00:40.22 | timeless_mbp | and ignore anyone who answers :) |
| 00:40.28 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, probably a good idea |
| 00:40.55 | pupnik | not fully serious :) |
| 00:41.01 | pupnik | just fun to imagine |
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| 00:42.31 | mikhas | pupnik, are you sure you cant write a greasemonkey script for that? the posts all have the "member since ..." thingy |
| 00:43.38 | timeless_mbp | mikhas: i'd imagine it's doable, he's probably too lazy to |
| 00:43.41 | timeless_mbp | i know i would be |
| 00:44.06 | timeless_mbp | they could be nice and add some html classes so that one could use css instead :) |
| 00:44.06 | pupnik | tss time.. |
| 00:48.08 | Macer | damnit |
| 00:48.14 | Macer | xp home doesn't let you install services for unix |
| 00:48.18 | Macer | what a bunch of crap :) |
| 00:49.08 | fnordianslippers | SFU is pretty crappy anyway |
| 00:51.36 | Macer | fnordianslippers: yeah but it's teh only way to use nfs embedded into xp isn't it? |
| 00:51.41 | Macer | or is there something else i can use? |
| 00:53.01 | Macer | liek some cygwin crap? |
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| 00:53.17 | Macer | blah. it's ok. i found a hack to install it heh |
| 00:53.43 | Macer | have to download some sdk crap and edit stuff in order to get it installed |
| 00:54.13 | Macer | ms has the sdk split into like 10 cabs instead of one install app :) awesome |
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| 00:55.14 | timeless_mbp | Macer: multiple cabs are useful at times |
| 00:55.23 | timeless_mbp | just like multiple .deb's are |
| 00:55.35 | fnordianslippers | Macer, yep, i guess. you putting an nfs server on xp? i found setting up the accounts a real PITA |
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| 01:07.01 | Macer | fnordianslippers: it isn't that bad |
| 01:07.07 | Macer | the biggest problem is just setting up the maps |
| 01:07.17 | Macer | once you are done with that its' pretty straight forward |
| 01:07.52 | Macer | only problem is that now i have to install something just to get the sfu stuff to install in xp home.. know what. screw that. i will just install debian or something on the laptop when i get home as long as it can connnect to an adhoc network with the wifi connection |
| 01:08.18 | Macer | then connect to the vpn using debian heh.. if you can even connect to pptp vpn servers with debian. i've never tried it |
| 01:09.27 | Macer | if that doesn't work i will just install win7 on this thing if i can.. not sure how well win7 runs on aspire1 |
| 01:09.44 | Macer | time to ditch xp heh |
| 01:10.58 | fnordianslippers | its always a good time for that :) |
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| 01:12.10 | fnordianslippers | you could try crumchbang. it is great on my Eee 901 |
| 01:12.40 | fnordianslippers | s/crumchbang/crunchbang |
| 01:12.44 | fnordianslippers | doh |
| 01:13.19 | fnordianslippers | one day I'll get that right |
| 01:14.59 | fnordianslippers | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.04 | fnordianslippers | aargh |
| 01:16.05 | Macer | blah ;) i will just go ahead and install win7 on it.. actually i might try debian first |
| 01:16.17 | Macer | but ti's kind of important that the adhoc wifi works which is usually a problem with linux wifi drivers |
| 01:16.37 | Macer | like 90% of which use ndiswrapper or some crazy crap since wifi manufacturers are asses :) |
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| 01:18.10 | fnordianslippers | only ever tried it on my mac. have used bt pan instead usually |
| 01:18.30 | Macer | fnordianslippers: i should try to figure out the bt stuff with the G1 |
| 01:18.45 | Macer | never could get it to work. plus i don't think the aspire1 build in bt |
| 01:18.53 | Macer | my mb does but i usually don't carry that thing around much |
| 01:19.01 | fnordianslippers | the n800 didn't play well with adhoc. |
| 01:19.40 | fnordianslippers | carries a mbpro 17", eee901 and n900 now |
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| 01:22.17 | lantizia | Hey... so maemo is open and that which is handy... does this mean there is a way I can make my own firmware image that's exactly like the current one but with a bigger rootfs partitioned? |
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| 01:22.22 | Macer | i need to get a mini display port to vga adapter for my macbook |
| 01:22.30 | Macer | wtf apple.. couldn't just put a damn vga port on the mb? :) |
| 01:22.31 | Macer | heh |
| 01:22.42 | Macer | i was just going to use it as a desktop .. i hardly ever lug that heavy ass thing around anymore |
| 01:22.56 | Macer | i got it like a year ago and after using the aspire 1 realized how much of a pain it is to lug it around |
| 01:23.00 | ml-maemo | punches vim |
| 01:23.43 | fnordianslippers | u should try a 17". with the dvi output hooked up to hdmi on my 42" hdtv its pretty cool. |
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| 01:24.42 | ml-maemo | anyone figured out how to get vim to properly respond to the arrow and enter keys? |
| 01:25.36 | ali1234 | use vi instead? |
| 01:26.38 | zash | Macer: if they atleast could have put a real displayport and not invent a new port |
| 01:27.03 | SpeedEvil | lantizia: rootfs is on a 256M device - so not that way |
| 01:27.18 | SpeedEvil | lantizia: and maemo is not open - solely - it has closed components |
| 01:27.33 | ml-maemo | ali1234: the busybox vi is worse |
| 01:27.33 | lantizia | I've heard there is not 2 devices... there's 1 |
| 01:27.44 | lantizia | and 256mb is just a partition |
| 01:28.00 | ali1234 | ml-maemo: it works for me? |
| 01:28.08 | SpeedEvil | lantizia: no, it's not. |
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| 01:28.17 | SpeedEvil | lantizia: there is a seperate chip with the rootfs on |
| 01:28.25 | lantizia | SpeedEvil: how big is the chip? |
| 01:28.30 | SpeedEvil | 256M |
| 01:28.36 | lantizia | so where is swap and /home ? |
| 01:28.48 | SpeedEvil | on the 32g mmc |
| 01:28.57 | lantizia | as is mydocs? |
| 01:29.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:29.07 | SpeedEvil | all but / |
| 01:29.27 | lantizia | ok can I make a new mmc image that has /home bigger than 2gb? |
| 01:29.40 | lantizia | a more even split between /home and mydocs |
| 01:29.40 | ml-maemo | there we go. even got syntax highlightimg going |
| 01:29.48 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:29.57 | lantizia | do you know how I can go about that? |
| 01:30.30 | lantizia | I have my /usr on /home/usr (using a bind mount on startup - that works brilliantly by the way)... but I'm filling up /home now lol |
| 01:30.46 | T7g | I told you, repartition :p |
| 01:30.55 | lantizia | I don't want to do it your way |
| 01:31.00 | lantizia | Your way leaves the USB port unusable |
| 01:31.02 | T7g | You already did it my way, lol! |
| 01:31.08 | T7g | that's just the other part of my way |
| 01:31.26 | T7g | but in your defense, I haven't did a bind mount yet but I have thought about it. |
| 01:31.35 | lantizia | SpeedEvil: is there a tool for creating the eemmc images? |
| 01:31.42 | ali1234 | the easiest way is to make a loopback image in mydocs and mount that on /usr instead |
| 01:31.53 | lantizia | T7g: you didn't think of it first, earlier in that afternoon I had proposed it |
| 01:32.02 | lantizia | I've been using bind mounts for years |
| 01:32.12 | lantizia | but back on topic... a new eemmc image? |
| 01:32.21 | T7g | As far as I know you're out of luck on that |
| 01:32.43 | T7g | Jebba did link me to something though that was an open source flasher and I read something about it taking apart the images maybe? |
| 01:32.44 | ali1234 | i think the flasher tool can pack/unpack images |
| 01:32.45 | lantizia | ali1234: loop backs are even slower |
| 01:32.58 | ali1234 | yeah well you can't have everything |
| 01:33.18 | ali1234 | loopbacks actually aren't that much slower |
| 01:33.20 | lantizia | if I mount the eemmc on a PC... can't I just use cfdisk on it and rearrange it?> |
| 01:33.31 | T7g | not lant, because you can't unmount /home while the device is on |
| 01:33.36 | ali1234 | no because it only exports mydocs partition, not home |
| 01:33.49 | lantizia | grr |
| 01:33.58 | lantizia | take the eemmc out? lol |
| 01:34.07 | T7g | listen, you can connect it via usb lant- with the patition switch |
| 01:34.17 | T7g | but you're doublemounting a live filesystem, which works but not _reliably_ |
| 01:34.35 | lantizia | I already know that and thats exactly why I don't want to do it |
| 01:34.53 | ali1234 | you probably can unmount home actually, if you stop all the gui without triggering a reboot |
| 01:34.58 | T7g | Well then to answer your question, no, you can't take the emmc out, you'd have to edit the reflasher image |
| 01:35.07 | ali1234 | also you can mount it read only which should be safe |
| 01:35.13 | lantizia | SpeedEvil: you have said it _is_ possible to make another eemmc image thats rearranged differently |
| 01:35.24 | lantizia | so I'm guessing you've got at least a tip on where to start |
| 01:36.14 | T7g | the tip is the flasher program |
| 01:36.32 | T7g | we think the closed or open source ones might be able to unpack and then repack an image for you |
| 01:36.34 | lantizia | the flasher program does whatever the instructions in the image file is |
| 01:36.58 | ali1234 | ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -u |
| 01:37.04 | ali1234 | unpacks the image |
| 01:37.04 | lantizia | and the image file is nothing more than 3 partitions? |
| 01:37.13 | lantizia | ext2, ext2, swap perhaps? |
| 01:38.46 | T7g | try it? :P |
| 01:39.18 | T7g | then you can enlighten us as well, I was wondering myself. |
| 01:39.28 | ali1234 | the image file is weird |
| 01:39.42 | ali1234 | once extracted, i can loop mount it, but it is all mess up |
| 01:39.43 | lantizia | ok downloading the emmc image file |
| 01:40.03 | lantizia | now... off my original (from factory) emmc I know I need to rescue map stuff... is there anything else? |
| 01:40.08 | ali1234 | so it probably contains multiple partitions |
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| 01:41.42 | lantizia | is there anyway the 256mb can just be used at /boot ? |
| 01:41.46 | lantizia | and put / on the emmc? |
| 01:42.02 | ali1234 | lantizia: all this stuff is possible |
| 01:42.22 | lantizia | ok any clues where the bloody boot loader is? |
| 01:42.42 | ali1234 | probably on the first page of nand? |
| 01:42.59 | lantizia | so nothing with a nice config file then? lol |
| 01:43.08 | ali1234 | i doubt it |
| 01:43.25 | lantizia | anyone succeeded in any of this? |
| 01:43.41 | ali1234 | dont think so |
| 01:44.03 | lantizia | lets say 15gb for / (including /home) then the rest is MyDocs and swap |
| 01:44.17 | lantizia | then the special 256mb chip is just for booting the kernel |
| 01:44.25 | lantizia | perfect idea no?! :D |
| 01:44.28 | ali1234 | i should point out that all this has been done on the n800 etc |
| 01:44.37 | lantizia | right so it's only a matter of time? |
| 01:44.38 | ali1234 | there it is entirely possible to move root onto the mmc card |
| 01:44.52 | ali1234 | yes, it's a matter of how much time and effort you're willing to put into doing it |
| 01:44.54 | T7g | It's just waiting for a group of people or a single person that knows how to do it and gets it setup. |
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| 01:45.09 | T7g | and then everyone will have the reflasher image for it most likely. |
| 01:45.25 | lantizia | the sad thing is... theres less space for apps on this thing than on my E51 |
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| 01:45.50 | T7g | Well people have only been getting shipped units for about a month now |
| 01:46.01 | T7g | It takes a while to hit the ground running on new devices. |
| 01:46.38 | pupnik | why does building everythign complain about missing quilt - i forgot what i did to fix that |
| 01:46.52 | ali1234 | install quilt? |
| 01:47.43 | pupnik | doesn't seem to be avail |
| 01:47.56 | lantizia | ali1234: I got the image mounted |
| 01:48.02 | pupnik | wtf there it is |
| 01:48.03 | ali1234 | it's in the sdk |
| 01:48.05 | lantizia | ali1234: all I see is the MyDocs part |
| 01:48.11 | T7g | <ali1234> once extracted, i can loop mount it, but it is all mess up |
| 01:48.21 | ali1234 | lantizia: yes, do you see the example videos? because i don't |
| 01:48.29 | lantizia | no they're not there |
| 01:48.32 | ali1234 | exactly |
| 01:48.34 | lantizia | not supposed to be tho |
| 01:48.44 | ali1234 | they're there after you flash it onto the device |
| 01:48.46 | lantizia | this is a developers vanilla emmc... vids didn't exist |
| 01:48.54 | lantizia | neither do the maps that come with your n900 |
| 01:49.00 | ali1234 | why is is 200 odd mb then? |
| 01:49.08 | lantizia | because most of it is empty |
| 01:49.14 | T7g | how about just figuring out what the hell chooses to export mmcblk0p1 and see if that's modifyable? |
| 01:49.43 | ali1234 | well, here's the thing. i have flashed that image, and i have all the demo files |
| 01:49.45 | T7g | That way you do repartition trick and everything works. That's really the only thing stopping the trick from working. |
| 01:49.53 | T7g | the flasher flashes in stages I think |
| 01:50.08 | T7g | I think there is a seperate image for the video files |
| 01:51.59 | lantizia | lantizia@ares ~/Desktop $ file mmc |
| 01:51.59 | lantizia | mmc: x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display |
| 01:52.25 | T7g | it's an arm machine though... |
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| 01:52.51 | oscillik | is anyone having any trouble with Nokia Messaging at the moment on their N900? |
| 01:53.01 | ali1234 | 1. file isn't foolproof |
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| 01:53.10 | ali1234 | 2. it's a usb disk, somebody might try to boot from it |
| 01:53.16 | Disease | hi o/ |
| 01:53.26 | lantizia | ali1234: your size comes from that many user guides |
| 01:53.41 | lantizia | I don't think the flasher has extracted nothing more than MyDocs... nothing else |
| 01:53.46 | ali1234 | lantizia: user guides which are not visible when the image is loop mounted |
| 01:53.50 | lantizia | there aren't multiple partitions in the mmc file |
| 01:54.00 | ali1234 | yeah, it looks that way |
| 01:54.02 | lantizia | ali1234: yes they are... they're in .documents |
| 01:54.24 | ali1234 | so they are |
| 01:54.31 | ali1234 | the videos are there too |
| 01:54.45 | ali1234 | in .videos |
| 01:55.01 | lantizia | 227M of files |
| 01:55.05 | Disease | are there a french chan please ? |
| 01:55.10 | lantizia | so the flasher isn't showing us everything when extracting |
| 01:55.17 | T7g | unfortunately not that I know of, disco_stu |
| 01:55.25 | lantizia | or the vanilla emmc doesn't come with the instructions for swap or /home |
| 01:55.26 | T7g | I mean, Disease |
| 01:55.36 | lantizia | but then... /home is empty and so is swap |
| 01:55.47 | ali1234 | mmc = 246950912 bytes |
| 01:56.06 | ali1234 | image = 246951288 |
| 01:56.22 | Disease | there are #maemo-fr but it is empty :/ |
| 01:56.30 | ali1234 | that's only 376 bytes of header |
| 01:56.46 | ali1234 | so i think the mmc image just doesn't contain the other partitions |
| 01:56.49 | lantizia | I doubt the instructions on the partitioning of the emmc is in there |
| 01:56.59 | lantizia | I think it must be hard coded into the flasher |
| 01:57.11 | ali1234 | probably |
| 01:57.11 | T7g | I kinda doubt that... |
| 01:57.18 | ali1234 | or maybe it doesn't actually repartition anything |
| 01:57.30 | ali1234 | maybe it just writes onto the partitions as they are |
| 01:57.45 | lantizia | so if I make a file in /home then flashing this will mean it stays there? |
| 01:57.55 | ali1234 | no, it gets wiped |
| 01:57.59 | lantizia | no that makes no sense... /home/opt is there |
| 01:58.05 | ali1234 | but i'm not sure if it gets wiped when you flash rootfs or mmc |
| 01:58.05 | lantizia | and it gets wiped with a vanilla emmc flash |
| 01:58.09 | lantizia | emmc |
| 01:58.18 | lantizia | a rootfs flash keeps /home/opt |
| 01:58.56 | T7g | it should keep all of home though... |
| 01:59.08 | lantizia | yes exactly |
| 01:59.08 | T7g | because /home is it's own partition |
| 01:59.14 | lantizia | I'm using /home/opt as an example |
| 01:59.43 | T7g | but nothing in /home is kept? |
| 01:59.48 | T7g | or /home/user? |
| 01:59.51 | lantizia | yes it is kept |
| 01:59.53 | T7g | I know you've reflashed quite a bit |
| 02:00.03 | T7g | Okay, then yeah, the flasher isn't touching the partition table in theory |
| 02:00.03 | lantizia | when rootfs is flashed /home isn't touched |
| 02:00.13 | T7g | I think that's why the system autogenerates it's own fstab |
| 02:00.14 | lantizia | your settings, conversations, software in /home/opt all remains |
| 02:00.42 | lantizia | so if the vanilla emmc doesn't have a partition table... or instructions on how to format the other "zones"... and the rootfs flash isn't doing it |
| 02:00.49 | lantizia | then it must be hard wired into flasher-3.5 |
| 02:00.53 | T7g | well, no, it can still touch the table i guess but not touching anything past what it is supposed to flash |
| 02:01.14 | ali1234 | it's either built into the flasher, or built into the bootloader parts that talk to the flasher |
| 02:01.14 | T7g | I really doubt it's hard wired, I think it's how it flashes |
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| 02:02.22 | ali1234 | well, if you're feeling bored, you can sniff the usb traffic and see how it works |
| 02:02.53 | lantizia | or.... get maemo 5 to export the entire emmc device... not just one partition |
| 02:02.55 | lantizia | then use a PC to dig around |
| 02:02.56 | ali1234 | or extract a copy of the bootloader and disassemble it |
| 02:03.10 | lantizia | I'm sure maemo won't have too much of a seisure without /home lol |
| 02:03.39 | lantizia | if you can get access to the real onboard MMC device, then you can repartition it normally! |
| 02:03.40 | ali1234 | or you can install fdisk etc on the phone, and repartition it from there |
| 02:03.46 | lantizia | aha! even better |
| 02:04.37 | lantizia | cfdisk is in the repo's ? |
| 02:04.38 | lantizia | :) |
| 02:04.41 | lantizia | -? |
| 02:05.12 | T7g | sfdisk is pre-installed man |
| 02:05.18 | T7g | how is cfdisk going to help? |
| 02:05.52 | lantizia | cfdisk doesn't show any partitions on the 32gb |
| 02:06.00 | T7g | sfdisk then |
| 02:06.18 | T7g | it uses sfdisk to generate the fstab in /etc/rcS-late I think. |
| 02:06.18 | lantizia | sfdisk moans its in use |
| 02:06.28 | T7g | you just type sfdisk |
| 02:06.29 | lantizia | at least cfdisk shows me whats there |
| 02:06.57 | ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/m27dc1ad6 |
| 02:07.02 | lantizia | wait theres a force flag |
| 02:07.02 | T7g | you're simply not using it right, that's all. I used sfdisk to modify the partition table of my entirely live n900 |
| 02:07.13 | lantizia | he's got it |
| 02:07.40 | lantizia | so MyDocs is at the start! |
| 02:07.48 | ali1234 | yes |
| 02:07.56 | lantizia | hmmm |
| 02:08.12 | lantizia | perhaps it's at the end of that mmc file after all |
| 02:08.58 | T7g | he did the part switch |
| 02:09.05 | T7g | well wait, no :p |
| 02:09.08 | lantizia | ok when I... tail mmc |
| 02:09.25 | lantizia | a definite reference to /home/opt there |
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| 02:09.35 | lantizia | which proves its more than just MyDocs in that file |
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| 02:09.49 | lantizia | :D |
| 02:10.08 | lantizia | are we agreed? |
| 02:10.25 | T7g | yeah possible, you just need to clip that loopback image then |
| 02:10.32 | T7g | how big is it btw? |
| 02:10.47 | lantizia | 246950912 |
| 02:11.09 | oscillik | i think Nokia Messaging is dead |
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| 02:12.16 | T7g | when you mount the loopback how big does df -h say it is? |
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| 02:12.41 | lantizia | 4.1G |
| 02:13.02 | T7g | that's totally wrong though |
| 02:13.09 | lantizia | yeah a wacky number |
| 02:13.11 | luke-jr_ | T7g: why? |
| 02:13.51 | T7g | luke-jr_, you're saying it's just a sparse file? shouldn't it know how big it can get? |
| 02:14.13 | n900evil | _-\"kj |
| 02:14.15 | luke-jr_ | lantizia: you really don't want to treat MMC as a straight out block device like that |
| 02:14.16 | T7g | I can agree that yes, it could be a sparse file but the partition table should still tell it the extents of the disk even if it's not written |
| 02:14.17 | n900evil | oops |
| 02:14.30 | lantizia | becaaaause? |
| 02:14.51 | pupnik | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../GNU.TXT', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
| 02:14.53 | T7g | well for one the 256mb thing could be it'w own chip. |
| 02:14.55 | luke-jr_ | T7g: I have no idea what file you're talking about, but content size can very well be larger than image size |
| 02:15.03 | lantizia | T7g: it is |
| 02:15.06 | T7g | luke-jr_, we're speaking of an unpacked flasher image |
| 02:15.22 | lantizia | luke-jr_: if you don't know what file we are working on that your advice isn't likely to be helpful |
| 02:15.28 | luke-jr_ | lantizia: because NAND goes bad quickly and thus generally needs some kind of wear levelling on top of it |
| 02:15.30 | pupnik | wahaa it compiles, it compiles, it compiles |
| 02:15.37 | lantizia | luke-jr_: this isn't NAND |
| 02:15.57 | luke-jr_ | [20:03:39] <lantizia> if you can get access to the real onboard MMC device, then you can repartition it normally! |
| 02:16.03 | luke-jr_ | that's what my response was to |
| 02:16.08 | luke-jr_ | oh |
| 02:16.11 | luke-jr_ | oops, MMC not NAND |
| 02:16.13 | ali1234 | yes, that's true |
| 02:16.28 | T7g | lets not argue semantics guys, it's slows down the process :p |
| 02:16.45 | lantizia | look everyone.... this unpacked mmc file is _clearly_ the MyDocs partition... and a slither of code at the bottom defines the other 2 partitions |
| 02:16.52 | lantizia | any ideas how we can recode it? |
| 02:17.31 | lantizia | "file" claims it's of type... x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display |
| 02:17.32 | ali1234 | beats me |
| 02:17.36 | lantizia | what handles those files |
| 02:17.48 | ali1234 | an x86 bios |
| 02:18.02 | lantizia | well it's just a block device then basically |
| 02:18.04 | ali1234 | file is only seeing the fat partition |
| 02:18.15 | ali1234 | just like mount is only seeing a fat partition |
| 02:18.55 | lantizia | well it's 2am and I need sleep |
| 02:18.55 | lantizia | will pick up this another time |
| 02:18.58 | lantizia | interesting stuff tho :D |
| 02:19.17 | lantizia | night night folks! thanks for everyones input |
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| 02:24.55 | T7g | So I take it noone is doing a super detailed battery widget? I was thinking with all the info exported over dbus it wouldn't be hard to make a very indepth battery widget. Perhaps make it update every thirty minutes or so, keep running average on power used per hour, power per hour since turned on, etc. |
| 02:31.36 | T7g | Does the n900 do python widgets and are there any examples of a python widget that stands out in anyone's mind? |
| 02:32.48 | luke-jr_ | um |
| 02:33.19 | luke-jr_ | if anyone sees lantizia... "file"s "x86 boot sector" means there's a partition table |
| 02:33.31 | luke-jr_ | so it's an image of /dev/sda (for example), not /dev/sda1 |
| 02:33.44 | luke-jr_ | to loop-mount it, he needs -o offset=some-magic-offset |
| 02:34.41 | T7g | We'll let him know, perhaps ali will give it a shot since he is probably readin it |
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| 02:35.47 | go1dfish | T7g: it's possible to do a python widget, I don't recall any examples though |
| 02:36.15 | go1dfish | T7g: a few weeks back screwing around, I had a python widget that was just a gtk button... |
| 02:36.34 | go1dfish | that imported pyside and launched a QWebView |
| 02:36.54 | go1dfish | I was quite surprised that it worked at all |
| 02:37.22 | T7g | I just want to do a tiny amount of text display. I'm thinking a battery widget could help a lot of n900 users that suffer the wifi bug or from retarded cpu hog apps/widgets. |
| 02:39.05 | T7g | I'm kinda ocd and I've been paying attention to the battery a lot lately and I think if people were more aware of how many mAh they draw an hour or how many mV they lose that they might have a better idea of what is killing their battery. |
| 02:39.32 | ali1234 | indeed, there is a MBR and partition table, but it is all zeroed |
| 02:39.33 | T7g | keep records of peak highs, peak lows, could really help us understand the n900 power consumption situation a lot better. |
| 02:39.41 | ali1234 | so i dunno |
| 02:40.23 | T7g | I think there is a reason sfdisk autogenerates /etc/fstab in /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 02:40.34 | T7g | That is not normal, I think they did it because they didn't want the partition table modifiable |
| 02:40.55 | ali1234 | no, because the emmc *on disk* has a valid partition table |
| 02:41.54 | T7g | so, connect via usb and look at mydocs then |
| 02:41.57 | T7g | It's supposedly the first one |
| 02:42.04 | ali1234 | ? |
| 02:42.10 | ali1234 | the partition table isn't inside the partition |
| 02:42.13 | ali1234 | that would make no sense |
| 02:42.15 | T7g | oh yeah |
| 02:42.24 | T7g | shit sorry, I started drinking when we were talking with lant |
| 02:42.45 | ali1234 | anyway, the best way to look is on the device, over ssh |
| 02:43.29 | ali1234 | i think the fact that the mmc fat filesystem looks like 4gb even though it is only 200mb is an indication that some trickery is going on |
| 02:43.39 | T7g | I think everyone could roll with switching mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p2 if we could get usb to mount mmcblk0p2 instead of 1 |
| 02:43.41 | ali1234 | probably the flasher computers the partition table on the fly |
| 02:44.01 | ali1234 | i dont see why you would even want to do that? |
| 02:44.11 | ali1234 | you want to make mydocs 2gb and home 29 gb? |
| 02:44.18 | T7g | yep! |
| 02:44.21 | ali1234 | that's just insane |
| 02:44.21 | T7g | I already have! |
| 02:44.27 | T7g | Not for people that run linux |
| 02:44.53 | T7g | Check this man, no computer I have any relation to or go near on a daily basis is Windows anymore. I don't need vfat |
| 02:45.13 | T7g | Even my parents are forced to use Gentoo |
| 02:45.50 | ali1234 | i don't see how that is even useful |
| 02:46.16 | T7g | ext3 journalling, even though it might hose the flash sooner |
| 02:46.27 | ali1234 | ext3 journalling = fail |
| 02:47.45 | T7g | I'm just waiting for someone smarter than myself to solve this |
| 02:47.59 | T7g | I don't mind helping, but I know lant is not going to fix this problem for us. |
| 02:48.13 | ali1234 | i don't know what you're trying to achieve |
| 02:48.37 | T7g | do you know how aggravating it is to go do an ln -s /xxx yyy and get Operation Not Permitted? |
| 02:48.46 | T7g | You don't understand, this does not typically happen to me. |
| 02:49.27 | ali1234 | you can make all the symlinks you want on /home |
| 02:49.55 | T7g | It's not like any of us can understand how the other likes to setup their distro |
| 02:50.01 | T7g | Lets just say, it's been a problem |
| 02:50.16 | T7g | You have an easy solution to get to /home from the apps? |
| 02:50.19 | T7g | I haven't found one tbh? |
| 02:50.40 | T7g | I just mount my microsd at /msd and then have a link in it pointing to /home/user |
| 02:50.52 | T7g | because the UI included is such a pain in the ass |
| 02:51.00 | T7g | I don't want to store shit in . named folders |
| 02:51.05 | ali1234 | the only thing you could conceivably want to link into /home is stuff in MyDocs anyway |
| 02:51.18 | T7g | I just don't use mydocs at all |
| 02:51.26 | T7g | Literally, it's for the camera, that's it |
| 02:51.26 | ali1234 | and you won't fix the .files without rewriting the whole GUI |
| 02:51.53 | ali1234 | so link the DCIM folder somewhere in /home/user - problem solved |
| 02:52.16 | T7g | no, the camera app insists on having a vfat partition for some reason |
| 02:52.22 | T7g | it won't write to ext3 :p |
| 02:52.25 | ali1234 | yes |
| 02:52.35 | ali1234 | so, don't f*ck with the partitions then |
| 02:52.46 | luke-jr_ | "for some reason" XD |
| 02:52.48 | T7g | too late! |
| 02:52.48 | ali1234 | just link everything into /home/user with symlinks |
| 02:53.13 | T7g | These are just steps towards us not using the standard layout nokia gave us |
| 02:53.27 | T7g | This is exactly what Lant wants to do, but he doesn't want to give up usb disk mode. |
| 02:53.52 | ali1234 | no, lant wants to resize the existing partitions, without changing the order |
| 02:53.52 | T7g | I have wifi, I don't give two shits so for me repartitioning isn't bad |
| 02:54.06 | ali1234 | which is a much more sensible goal |
| 02:54.29 | T7g | I already changed my partitions, and it works fine |
| 02:54.32 | T7g | Don't worry about me |
| 02:55.06 | T7g | The way I did it was also easy enough for any person to do. |
| 02:55.23 | T7g | People don't necessarily want their media on the device because they can hotswap sdhcs |
| 02:55.55 | T7g | I'd rather have my shit on hotswap sdhc, I can carry about fifty microsds in my pocket if need be |
| 02:56.44 | T7g | but, one problem I have noticed (one I have not had at all) is people filling up their filesystems installing all sorts of stuff |
| 02:56.51 | ali1234 | actually i just realise something |
| 02:56.51 | T7g | some of it is related to the icon cache bug of course |
| 02:57.07 | ali1234 | the order of the partitions in the table does not have to reflect the order on disk |
| 02:57.31 | ali1234 | so you can swap the partitions around, without actually repartitioning, and retain the existing device node asignments |
| 02:57.48 | ali1234 | you'll probably have to hex edit the partition table though |
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| 02:58.07 | ali1234 | then everything should work, including usb storage |
| 02:58.50 | T7g | that would be awesome man |
| 02:58.58 | T7g | and you could solve everyone's problems in a quick couple of steps |
| 02:59.07 | n900evil | sfdisk? |
| 02:59.10 | ali1234 | no, it would only solve your problem |
| 02:59.26 | ali1234 | for most people, having only 2gb for mp3, videos, and pictures woul totally suck |
| 02:59.37 | T7g | everyone could make my problem their problem and we could solve it together ali =) |
| 02:59.44 | T7g | that's the thing sir |
| 02:59.56 | T7g | I keep all my music and videos on /msd which is the mounted microsd card! |
| 03:00.02 | T7g | I imagine many will do the same |
| 03:00.09 | T7g | Most people want tons of room for applications |
| 03:00.10 | ali1234 | but can the camera record directly to microsd? |
| 03:00.22 | T7g | they want to walk through the valley of the shadow of death without internet but still have games to play. |
| 03:00.40 | ali1234 | drnoksnes, roms on MyDocs |
| 03:00.45 | T7g | ali1234, vfat limit is at best 4G |
| 03:00.49 | T7g | why need more? |
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| 03:00.57 | T7g | you cannot make camera video bigger than 4gb? |
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| 03:01.05 | ali1234 | i never tried |
| 03:01.11 | ali1234 | what if you want to record more than one video? |
| 03:01.17 | T7g | vfat is very limited in file size? Why need a filesystem that is bigger than the biggest file you can put on it? |
| 03:01.23 | T7g | you could also move em but I mean |
| 03:01.23 | ali1234 | someone should try that i guess |
| 03:01.29 | T7g | are we talking about doing a movie here? |
| 03:01.36 | ali1234 | lol, cos you might want more than one file? |
| 03:01.42 | pupnik | heh ali1234 your alignment cflags make a huge difference on p4a |
| 03:01.46 | T7g | you gonna record 2-4gb and then go, MAN I NEED TO RECORD MORE?! |
| 03:01.55 | T7g | ali, you can mount -o bind if you need more space. |
| 03:01.56 | ali1234 | pupnik: what cflags? |
| 03:01.57 | pupnik | not surprising |
| 03:02.06 | ali1234 | i didn't do any cflags? |
| 03:02.35 | n900evil | does the browser for anyone when you press space move down one screen, not 1.1 screens or so? |
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| 03:02.49 | pupnik | inline funcs, aligned thisandthat, unrolled loops |
| 03:02.57 | ali1234 | that was all already there |
| 03:03.15 | ali1234 | ah... i started with the pandora makefile, cos it has cortex-a8 |
| 03:03.27 | ali1234 | then i brought in the sdl stuff from the gp2x makefile |
| 03:04.01 | pupnik | generic -mcpu=cortex-a8 and -Os are way slower on that ... thing |
| 03:04.29 | pupnik | nogravity compiles now . yaay for me |
| 03:04.37 | pupnik | segfaults tho |
| 03:05.23 | ShadowJK | inline aligned unrolled sounds like -O3 |
| 03:05.26 | ShadowJK | and gentoo ricers |
| 03:05.44 | pupnik | yeah ricing |
| 03:05.50 | pupnik | enjoy autobuilder |
| 03:06.24 | pupnik | using that word should disqualify you from using any emulator or game |
| 03:07.48 | n900evil | hmm. |
| 03:08.05 | T7g | ShadowJK, I am a gentoo ricer, wat of it? :P |
| 03:08.43 | T7g | Don't be all verclempt because we're the types with the free time to compile everything we use :P I admit I do not work more than three hours a day but you can't hold that against me in the linux world :p |
| 03:08.44 | n900evil | reading some onn900 screen at night, bl flicker is annoying. |
| 03:08.55 | ShadowJK | pupnik, dunno, samppa managed to make it build MPlayer with all the weird CFLAGS required for Neon :) |
| 03:09.53 | pupnik | well you do have a point of course |
| 03:10.42 | fnordianslip | n900evil: the page-down thing is a known bug |
| 03:10.45 | pupnik | but i've had enough experiences where attention paid to that transforms something from 'ick' to 'nice' |
| 03:10.46 | ShadowJK | It's somewhat counterintuitive that unrolling loops and inlinining funcitons would automatically be faster on A8 |
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| 03:11.13 | ShadowJK | i would've thought the small cache would have loved small code better :) |
| 03:11.15 | pupnik | i usually start with -Os |
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| 03:20.06 | n900evil | fn: ah |
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| 03:25.02 | n900evil | argh |
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| 03:25.42 | n900evil | that,s about the fifth time I've powered off when going for end taks |
| 03:26.28 | n900evil | waiting for dialogue to appear before releasing button |
| 03:27.19 | fnordianslip | n900evil: i don't think i've ever needed to end a task. which ones are giving you hassle? |
| 03:28.23 | n900evil | non hildonised ones |
| 03:28.41 | fnordianslip | ah. u geting adventurous :) |
| 03:28.45 | n900evil | fbreader in some dialogues, |
| 03:28.57 | n900evil | enigma |
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| 03:31.15 | fnordianslip | i guess i've been a bit selective/cowardly so far |
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| 03:46.03 | n900evil | no big problems. something is screwy with python I think |
| 03:51.13 | fnordianslippers | pythonseems to be working ok for me. i seem to have pulled the optified version ferom extras-devel |
| 03:51.43 | fnordianslippers | excuse typing. now on n900 :) |
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| 04:23.07 | pupnik | to play with newer gcc i need to set up a crosscompile toolchain eh? |
| 04:23.50 | pupnik | slonopotamus: does yours work for targeting rx51? |
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| 04:24.34 | luke-jr_ | pupnik: I don't know that slonopotamus maintains any cross-compiling stuff anymore. |
| 04:24.46 | luke-jr_ | we've been sticking with native for a while |
| 04:24.54 | pupnik | k ty |
| 04:25.03 | luke-jr_ | and both of us have new babies, so not so much time anymore |
| 04:25.11 | luke-jr_ | (that, and I don't *have* an RX51 :p) |
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| 04:25.50 | pupnik | ah babies. hard to automate their care. |
| 04:27.43 | pupnik | not a burning issue for me - it would just be nice to test things with an alternate gcc to check if it's causing my problems |
| 04:27.52 | pupnik | maybe an older sbox even |
| 04:28.24 | pupnik | having no clue meanings swapping components - newton's method in a way |
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| 04:31.37 | go1dfish | T7g: agreed an applet like you described earlier would be helpful I think |
| 04:31.44 | go1dfish | ive been pretty ocd about my battery to |
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| 04:32.25 | go1dfish | whenever someone mentions a step they've taken to improve battery life on talk.maemo I generally try it out, but also went and got some external battery packs for the meantime :) |
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| 04:41.25 | pupnik | go1dfish: just turn off stuff that uses power |
| 04:42.07 | pupnik | n900 runs an impressive amount of processes which seem to be well behaved |
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| 05:07.40 | swc|666 | jebba, you rock !!!! http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Package_Building_HOWTO |
| 05:08.36 | T7g | jebba is really awesome, I should be switching to his kernal atm but I am being lazy. |
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| 06:13.36 | bigbrovar | anyone knows if its possible to make panucci the defaults for playing podcast from gpodder on the N900 |
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| 06:19.53 | Vratha | hi |
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| 06:20.33 | jaek_ | is the flashlight app working for anyone? |
| 06:20.34 | Vratha | so, i downloaded the SDL_net source code and am trying to create a "libsdl-net1.2-dev" package out of it. i've followed the steps on maemo.org to setup this package |
| 06:20.37 | Vratha | i created the .deb |
| 06:20.55 | Vratha | it builds the code and creaets .deb files. but when i install my .deb files, it doesn't actually move anything useful |
| 06:21.02 | Vratha | just some documents into /usr/share |
| 06:21.28 | Vratha | anyone have any experience creating .deb files so that they can get their stuff installing into /usr/include and /usr/lib? |
| 06:27.18 | Vratha | well, i have to get to bed, but feel free to leave a comment here or PM me |
| 06:27.19 | Vratha | thanks |
| 06:28.24 | Milo- | in the phonebook, there is an option for 'copy selected contacts' but there is no way of selecting any contacts ._. |
| 06:28.39 | Milo- | hah |
| 06:28.45 | Milo- | that will prompt which to select actually |
| 06:28.46 | Milo- | heh |
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| 06:33.24 | Milo- | settings -> delete all contacts, well that's an innocent looking button |
| 06:33.34 | Milo- | can't I copy my contacts to SIM |
| 06:33.50 | Milo- | I can copy from SIM, but not to SIM |
| 06:34.24 | Proteous | you'd have to throw away a bunch of info if you copied it to the sim |
| 06:34.25 | RST38h | file a bug |
| 06:34.28 | GAN800 | lol . . . |
| 06:34.37 | Proteous | since the sim card address holding setup is pretty limited |
| 06:34.45 | Proteous | only one number per name |
| 06:35.25 | RST38h | well he should still be able to do that |
| 06:35.25 | Proteous | not very much meta info on contact |
| 06:35.25 | GAN800 | Kyocera MicroUSB charger that outputs 350mA |
| 06:35.25 | GAN800 | How . . . uselss |
| 06:35.25 | Proteous | DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!! |
| 06:35.30 | Proteous | THIS DAMN THING DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! |
| 06:35.31 | RST38h | what? |
| 06:35.45 | RST38h | ok, sell it on ebay buy an iphone |
| 06:35.53 | RST38h | cackles meaningfully |
| 06:36.52 | Proteous | lol |
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| 06:39.07 | GAN800 | What's the point of standardizing on a connected if half the chargers are useless? |
| 06:39.40 | arachnist | GAN800: lower manufacturing costs |
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| 06:50.05 | RST38h | GAN: EU bureaucracy getting end-of-the-year bonuses |
| 06:50.31 | RST38h | sees no point in standardizing on USB charging at all. It is a freaking white elephant, if you ask me |
| 06:50.48 | luke-jr_ | huh? what's there to standardize? |
| 06:51.06 | RST38h | socket, plug, charging current, etc |
| 06:52.43 | Trizt | waits for electricity over air |
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| 06:53.34 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 06:53.41 | arachnist | Trizt: force your microwave oven to run while the door is open. you'll get electricity OTA |
| 06:53.48 | luke-jr_ | Trizt: we already have that |
| 06:54.10 | arachnist | Trizt: not to mention quite a bit of devices already have that |
| 06:54.24 | arachnist | (palm pre, for example) |
| 06:54.30 | Trizt | see too many power cables in his home |
| 06:54.48 | Khertan | Someone know which is the best way to put a font selection button ? the gtk one isn t hildonized |
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| 06:55.12 | Khertan | and hildon doesn t have any FontButton |
| 06:55.25 | RST38h | arachnist: you won't, it is shielded |
| 06:55.52 | RST38h | and if it is not shielded, you are risking your balls broiled |
| 06:57.01 | Trizt | arachnist; the palm pre don' |
| 06:57.22 | Trizt | t have OTA for electricity |
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| 06:59.30 | Trizt | hates to wait for pre christmas delivery that arrives after christmas |
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| 07:12.06 | Naruto_sec | n900 bugs? |
| 07:12.24 | Naruto_sec | or maemo bugs? |
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| 08:27.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | Trizt: pre has a special bat lid for inductive charging. Nevertheless power OTA is a freaking nonsense. To span more than 10cm free air you need insane efforts and efficiency drops to center of earth |
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| 08:28.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: ack on useless USB charging. See what it got us: no hostmode on N900 |
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| 08:40.05 | flux | what would be the preferred mechanism (from the developer's point of view) for producing multi-channel audio on N900? |
| 08:41.29 | flux | atleast there is pulseaudio and qt4.6 should have some audio capabilities |
| 08:42.13 | flux | and then there is libmikmod2 |
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| 08:46.28 | wazd_n800 | hello all |
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| 08:49.51 | Stskeeps | wb wazd :) |
| 08:49.58 | Stskeeps | so when does the countdown start? |
| 08:50.26 | wazd_n800 | it's already started :P |
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| 08:50.45 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 08:50.54 | Stskeeps | posted first post? :P |
| 08:51.15 | wazd_n800 | 2 already, 8 to go) |
| 08:51.55 | wazd_n800 | Mer is heldd for the final 5 :D |
| 08:51.58 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:52.19 | Stskeeps | i think the blog posts are the best way to make yourself visible as well |
| 08:52.57 | wazd_n800 | Heh, who needs fame anyway) |
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| 08:57.59 | wazd_n800 | according to my pingbacks, people are excited bout new Transmission UI btw |
| 08:58.27 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 08:58.39 | Stskeeps | sitting and reading the posts atm |
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| 08:59.55 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:59.58 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: wassup? |
| 09:00.11 | wazd_n800 | Jaffa, hello |
| 09:00.13 | gilead | hi. |
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| 09:02.31 | gilead | Currently I try to set-up qt-creator (git master) to build maemo apps. I couldn't find anything in the Web, does it work at all? ( I fail to set-up a working qmake build configuration) |
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| 09:19.12 | sejo | hey all what is the default password of user? |
| 09:19.43 | sejo | trying to install libqt4-core (some apps refuse to install on my n900 due to that missing dep) |
| 09:19.47 | sejo | -7 |
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| 09:26.23 | gilead | sejo: you cannot install using user "user". You also cannot do any sudo or su. |
| 09:26.45 | gilead | AFAIK there is a way to enable root on your device. I am using SSH which allows me to login as root. |
| 09:27.09 | Stskeeps | or rootsh package |
| 09:27.34 | gilead | You can even do this locally on your device: Open terminal and run ssh root@localhost |
| 09:29.10 | X-Fade | jebba: ping? |
| 09:30.23 | sejo | lol |
| 09:30.32 | sejo | gilead: but what is the root password? |
| 09:30.54 | sejo | gilead: and is the qt even in fremantle because I cannot install any qt app |
| 09:33.11 | gilead | sejo: hm, I used MaemoSDK GUI installer and ESBox. At one step (I believe on setting up ESBox) I was asked to enter a root password. |
| 09:33.54 | gilead | sejo: I have not yet tried to install Qt on fremantle device. But I installed it in scratchbox (following the Qt Wiki page on maemo.org) successfully. |
| 09:34.32 | sejo | ach I don't have the sdk here (doesn't work) |
| 09:35.35 | gilead | Did you try to install the "rootsh" package on your device? |
| 09:36.10 | gilead | (I didn't so I do not know in which repository it resides) |
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| 09:37.40 | sejo | ach I'll check it |
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| 09:38.38 | sejo | installing it :p |
| 09:39.21 | dnaumov | yay, my N900 has just been shipped :) |
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| 09:43.04 | flux | some good fellow should set up a public VNC-server on his n900 so the people not yet with their own could play with it. for christmas, you know ;-) |
| 09:43.04 | superdump | for rootsh you just run 'sudo gainroot' in a terminal and it switches you to root |
| 09:43.46 | superdump | i think when you install the openssh server package, you get prompted to input a root password |
| 09:44.33 | gilead | superdump: And that was done by ESBox I assume. |
| 09:45.10 | sejo | works and have a libqt4-core installed but apparently not the correct version |
| 09:46.24 | dnaumov | flux: that would be exactly relevant to actual experience of using an N900 |
| 09:46.26 | dnaumov | wouldnt |
| 09:46.52 | flux | dnaumov, well, you could run the vnc client on an old n800 or n810.. |
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| 10:08.29 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: ping |
| 10:09.34 | wazd_n800 | are irc clients for n900 that bad?) |
| 10:10.05 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: could be worse |
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| 10:10.50 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: a fresh view on irc for touch devices could be interesting though |
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| 10:13.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh shiiiiit. I just caused a veritable scar on N900 screen with my fingernail :-(((( |
| 10:13.29 | Lynoure | DocScrutinizer51: huh, quite fingernails you got |
| 10:13.43 | Lynoure | DocScrutinizer51: did you remember to remove the protective film? |
| 10:13.57 | Lynoure | That one scratches easily, the actual screen does not. |
| 10:13.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems there was a grain of dust between nail and screen |
| 10:14.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah. that's the screen |
| 10:14.32 | BluesLee | does someone now if libicu is installed by default on the n900? i have two versions libicu40 and libicu42, which consume a lot of space |
| 10:14.53 | wazd_n800 | that's the most significant pro-capacitive moment |
| 10:14.54 | Lynoure | DocScrutinizer51: pity, but might be fixable with some screenpolisher or somesuch |
| 10:15.00 | wazd_n800 | glass |
| 10:15.12 | dmj726 | pH5: I thought of another good use of manual focus. |
| 10:15.23 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, maybe |
| 10:15.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | might give that a try. Ir simply shrug and get a new front plastic ts next spring |
| 10:16.22 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, I already had some thoughts though |
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| 10:18.30 | pH5 | dmj726: interested. what is it? |
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| 10:20.15 | dmj726 | Accessibility: get a good focus system on the camera. Put it in a holder that keeps it at the proper distance from the page, zoom in, focus on the page (currently a chore to trick it into focusing), and you've got yourself a handheld magnifier that's way better than what's out there now. |
| 10:20.51 | sejo | wazd_n800: n900 has irssi 'nuf said |
| 10:21.30 | wazd_n800 | sejo, I don't know what it is unfortunately :) |
| 10:21.49 | sejo | irssi is a textbased IRC client |
| 10:21.58 | sejo | google it |
| 10:22.34 | dmj726 | with the proper software, the n900 could replace this: http://www.independentliving.com/prodinfo.asp?number=454651 |
| 10:23.02 | wazd_n800 | ooh, text based, great :D |
| 10:23.14 | flux | hmph, apparently mikmod is not an option for multi-channel audio (not a good one atleast), as it doesn't support pulseaudio |
| 10:23.17 | flux | better suggestions? |
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| 10:25.00 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: yep? |
| 10:25.34 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/?root=maemo&sortby=date#dirlist urls are dead |
| 10:25.49 | Stskeeps | (a lot of software is still being pushed there so) |
| 10:26.06 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Can you tell me which software is still alive there? |
| 10:26.12 | Stskeeps | gtk+ for instance |
| 10:26.12 | pH5 | dmj726: maybe a separate "Magnifier" application could be better optimized for that use-case |
| 10:26.20 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: As that should not be used by teams anymore. |
| 10:26.38 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: at this particular moment i can't give you a list :) but the archives are also very useful |
| 10:26.49 | Jaffa | keeps snowtter up on his screen |
| 10:26.52 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Everything should be in gitorious. |
| 10:27.00 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, but it isn't yet :P |
| 10:27.00 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 10:27.23 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, we've disabled svn access last week. |
| 10:27.28 | timeless_mbp | needs to consider restarting hildon-desktop/hildon-home/hildon-status-menu |
| 10:27.38 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: So, these teams should really move. |
| 10:27.40 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: pong, btw |
| 10:27.50 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: l10n pain |
| 10:27.52 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: true, i wonder where they're moving to then |
| 10:27.53 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: But I can enable the interface, moment. |
| 10:28.02 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Ah, always fun. |
| 10:28.08 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: More reused message IDs? |
| 10:28.16 | Stskeeps | http://pastebin.com/m22febe0 is my current list, but i know dbus-glib has moved |
| 10:28.25 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: well, we have those coming yes |
| 10:28.39 | timeless_mbp | but also some really stupid bad labeling and some awful messages |
| 10:28.49 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 10:28.51 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: help |
| 10:29.13 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: If you can tell me what is interesting there, I can try to reach the responsible people. |
| 10:29.21 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, something seems wrong here |
| 10:30.04 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: gtk+ at least i'm at a loss at where is developed now |
| 10:31.05 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: but having read-only access to those archives are useful though, even though they aren't being pushed to |
| 10:31.13 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Hmm indeed, I'll ask around. |
| 10:31.52 | timeless_mbp | youch |
| 10:31.53 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 10:31.59 | timeless_mbp | one of my files isn't updating |
| 10:32.00 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That box is going to be switched of in the next month or so, so it should really be moved somewhere else. |
| 10:32.01 | timeless_mbp | wonders why |
| 10:32.06 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: :nod: |
| 10:32.16 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i'll gladly take a tarball for historical purposes ;) |
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| 10:32.54 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: It should just go to some git repository. So it is not all dead code. |
| 10:33.26 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I understand gtk is not sexy in the harmattan timeframe, but if community wants to continue it should still be somewhere. |
| 10:33.47 | Stskeeps | wonders if it |
| 10:33.50 | Stskeeps | 's on garage |
| 10:33.55 | wazd_n800 | screw gtk :) |
| 10:34.22 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Worst case I'll push it into git.maemo.org myself. |
| 10:34.26 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: :nod: |
| 10:34.31 | RST38h | moos at gtk |
| 10:34.36 | RST38h | hello all |
| 10:35.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: hi |
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| 10:37.04 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: since it's getting turned off, removing stage entries from my openness report |
| 10:37.46 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, heya |
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| 10:41.54 | RST38h | wazd: how is existance? |
| 10:42.59 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes, although we need to make sure they will keep existing somewhere. |
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| 10:44.09 | lardman | morning |
| 10:44.23 | RST38h | hello lardman |
| 10:45.18 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 10:47.00 | RST38h | lardman,Stskeeps: two more votes and FBReader goes into Extras (yes, that was a hint) |
| 10:47.00 | tbf | Stskeeps: yup, like X-Fade said. if there is community interest in gtk/hildon, it will survive in Harmattan and its successors |
| 10:47.42 | RST38h | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fbreader/0.10.7-9/ |
| 10:47.44 | tbf | not very different from each other gtk platform |
| 10:48.00 | tbf | just until now Maemo was an exception, as gtk was giving vendor support here. |
| 10:48.21 | tbf | ...comparable to Msft supporting gtk on windows :-D |
| 10:49.05 | lardman | voted, or at least I think so, I've just got a swirly-whirly thing where the thumbs-up was |
| 10:49.38 | RST38h | eh |
| 10:49.45 | tbf | RST38h: how do i promote eightyone for extras? or does the maintainer have to do? |
| 10:49.46 | lardman | ah, looks ok |
| 10:49.57 | lardman | tbf: vote for it |
| 10:50.18 | dmj726 | lardman: you do mbarcode, right? |
| 10:51.00 | tbf | checking if it is in testing yet |
| 10:51.33 | RST38h | tbf: Maintainer does it |
| 10:52.04 | lardman | dmj726: yep |
| 10:52.12 | tbf | pinging tim about promoting it to testing |
| 10:52.48 | dmj726 | I'm a little confused about the camera focus code, and I guess you'll know more about that. |
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| 10:53.19 | Stskeeps | tbf: do you have a git or svn repo of it outside of stage yet? |
| 10:53.30 | Stskeeps | tbf: and yes i know the angle on gtk+ :P |
| 10:53.52 | tbf | Stskeeps: repo for what? gtk, hildon? |
| 10:54.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: where culd I possibly find detailed info on messing around with audiomixer / AD/DA. To implement e.g a TAM or call recorder? |
| 10:54.33 | lardman | dmj726: what's up? |
| 10:54.44 | n900evil | how do I get fbreader out of fullscreen? |
| 10:54.50 | dmj726 | looking to make an app that allows manual focus. |
| 10:55.00 | n900evil | other than kill |
| 10:55.16 | RST38h | left bottom corner |
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| 10:55.28 | RST38h | or right bottom corner when in landscape |
| 10:55.30 | n900evil | dmj: you know the af driver chip? |
| 10:55.31 | RST38h | or ctrl+enter |
| 10:55.37 | lardman | dmj726: well you can probably use a different constant in the call to gst_photography_set_focus(_ |
| 10:55.38 | Stskeeps | tbf: maemo gtk |
| 10:55.48 | wazd_n801 | RST38h, what about binding camera button? |
| 10:55.51 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: pulseaudio or alsa |
| 10:56.03 | lardman | n900evil: no need, it is handled through bit banging the v4l2 ioctls |
| 10:56.08 | n900evil | rst: neither conrner worked. retrying |
| 10:56.46 | tbf | Stskeeps: let me ask on internal channel after xmas vacations |
| 10:57.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh speedevil. today under disguise ;-) |
| 10:57.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: PA and ALSA just for basic API |
| 10:57.53 | Stskeeps | tbf: alright, thanks :) |
| 10:58.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: to make any purpose of that I'd still need to understand that particular hw |
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| 10:58.42 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: for stuff like that i'd prod danielwilms |
| 10:59.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: where? |
| 10:59.26 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: well, here, but i doubt he'll be at work today |
| 10:59.32 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: http://danielwilms.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/short-introduction/ is his role |
| 10:59.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah tnx |
| 11:00.30 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: they might be a bit touchy about messing about with mixer after the FM radio stuff though |
| 11:00.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 11:00.47 | Stskeeps | (it caused people to send back their n900s with mic failed and unable to call 911( |
| 11:00.56 | n900evil | rst: started, fullscreen the opening screen, neither corner works. nor ctrl-nter only ctrl-bs |
| 11:01.23 | n900evil | rst: or fixed in newer ver? |
| 11:01.47 | tbf | Stskeeps: oh, so the famous microphone bug was caused by the FM radio? |
| 11:02.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: actually I can feel with them. After all same flames went all over me for FR |
| 11:02.35 | lardman | can't call 911 here either |
| 11:02.46 | Stskeeps | tbf: the one that can't be cursed with reflash |
| 11:02.54 | Stskeeps | err |
| 11:02.56 | Stskeeps | cured |
| 11:03.09 | Termana_n810 | lardman - not in the US? :P |
| 11:03.17 | wazd_n801 | cursed with reflash, nice :) |
| 11:03.33 | tbf | lardman: did you actually try? |
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| 11:03.49 | lardman | no on both counts |
| 11:03.57 | tbf | lardman: AFAIK 911 is in the GSM specs and gets redirected to your real emergency number |
| 11:04.13 | tbf | lardman: but don't cite me on that, as i am not 100% sure |
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| 11:04.26 | Termana_n810 | wazd_n801, when did nokia release an n801!? lol :P |
| 11:04.47 | Termana_n810 | tbf - isn't that 112 or 441? |
| 11:04.52 | lardman | tbf: 112 I think |
| 11:04.58 | red | 112 is the finnish equivalent |
| 11:04.59 | lardman | but who knows :) |
| 11:05.18 | red | but they did not hard code other countries emergency numbers? :D |
| 11:05.25 | lardman | hrw|gone-to-2010: time travel? ;) |
| 11:05.26 | tbf | lardman: AFAIK 911 really is an alias for 112 in GSM or something. |
| 11:05.41 | red | oh |
| 11:05.43 | lardman | in your country perhaps |
| 11:05.48 | lardman | in mine it would be 999 |
| 11:05.58 | red | if you called 112 in the USA, would it actually go to "911" ? |
| 11:06.07 | lardman | but I've not tried, so it might work |
| 11:06.12 | red | when i was a kiddo we had 000 |
| 11:06.19 | tbf | lardman: https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file562.pdf |
| 11:06.23 | murrayc | lardman: Apparently that's going to change or at least both will be supported, europewide. |
| 11:06.23 | red | and i had a memory rule, "three zeros" |
| 11:06.30 | red | but it made me always think was it 000 000 000 or 000 |
| 11:06.33 | red | :D |
| 11:06.37 | n900evil | rst38h: need more info? |
| 11:06.40 | lardman | red: where are you from? |
| 11:06.42 | tbf | lardman: or just wikipedia: "Most GSM mobile phones have 112, 999 and 911 as pre-programmed emergency numbers that are always available." |
| 11:06.44 | red | Finland |
| 11:06.51 | lardman | tbf: ah |
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| 11:06.56 | red | and I mean when I was a tiny baboon :p |
| 11:07.01 | lardman | red: was the 0 first on the dial or last? |
| 11:07.02 | red | or well, i've never been small, just younger |
| 11:07.11 | red | it was straight three 0s |
| 11:07.19 | lardman | no, I mean on a rotary dial |
| 11:07.29 | n900evil | tbf: not always in the uk. need a valid online SIM |
| 11:07.29 | red | no, haha |
| 11:07.32 | red | i think thats last? |
| 11:07.35 | lardman | that's why we have 999 I think, was the furthest away, so you had to mean it to dial it |
| 11:07.38 | red | might be first though |
| 11:07.52 | X-Fade | n900evil: You can dial 112 even without a sim card. |
| 11:07.54 | lardman | just wondering if 0 could be at either end, and therefore we went with 999 |
| 11:08.11 | X-Fade | n900evil: You can even use it in the pincode screen. |
| 11:08.19 | n900evil | x-fade: not in the uk |
| 11:08.42 | n900evil | at least for 999 last I tried |
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| 11:09.09 | n900evil | several times over the years |
| 11:09.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: darn. Seems DanielWilms already seized the job I was hoping for, at Maemo |
| 11:09.41 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: hehe |
| 11:09.53 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: well, he doesn't deal with hw directly i think, maybe there's an opening ;) |
| 11:10.04 | Stskeeps | "Open Hardware Consultant" ;p |
| 11:10.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: I think I should try anyway |
| 11:10.36 | n900evil | go for it! |
| 11:10.45 | tbf | DocScrutinizer51: if you accept moving to Helsinki, there are quite some open Maemo jobs for you :-D |
| 11:11.11 | red | Helsinki isn't such a nice city though |
| 11:11.22 | Stskeeps | red: it's actually not that bad |
| 11:11.23 | Stskeeps | well, from visitors POV |
| 11:11.26 | red | I've lived there 16 years :) |
| 11:11.27 | tbf | red: it has quite some nice places |
| 11:11.30 | Stskeeps | even though the frost in october is a bit .. |
| 11:11.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:11.42 | red | It's not even a cold city tbh :p |
| 11:11.51 | tbf | red: so if you just take the city, it would be ok |
| 11:11.52 | red | one of the last places to get snow to stay in Finland |
| 11:12.03 | red | tbf: agreed. It's the citizens that are.. :P |
| 11:12.04 | tbf | red: but the weather. THE WEAHTER! |
| 11:12.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | tbf: I'm ok with helsinki as long as there's an airport and the salary is sufficient to feed my miles+more |
| 11:12.09 | ifreq | wehave atm 0.7 +celsius @helsinki |
| 11:12.13 | ifreq | so talking bout cold :-P |
| 11:12.30 | red | -10 here at Tampere heh |
| 11:12.56 | tbf | ifreq: even 10°C can be freaking cold at HEL 'cause of it's quite unprotected position within the baltic see |
| 11:13.28 | X-Fade | I guess you should even need to move to Oulu ;) |
| 11:13.37 | red | but my point was, after I moved away from Helsinki to Tampere I've been alot happier with the people, the city offers kinda the same possibilities for me so it's not about that, but the people. At Helsinki most people just looked down and nobody talked to any random people at the centrum :) |
| 11:13.47 | tbf | ifreq: it has very cold, very wet and very strong wind quite often |
| 11:13.59 | red | here I find all sort of new social contancts just by hanging out at the town, since people dont just ignore one and other |
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| 11:14.16 | ifreq | tbf: so what? its not like i live outside :) |
| 11:14.28 | ifreq | or be dead because of some minus degrees |
| 11:14.37 | ifreq | rather -20 even than wet snow |
| 11:14.39 | red | guess it boils down to liking to be able to mind your own business or having a chitchat at the buss stop while waiting :) |
| 11:14.59 | red | ifreq: wet snow is so retarded from a car perspective :) |
| 11:14.59 | ifreq | red: yeh well in hki there is just too much hurry with ppl |
| 11:15.05 | red | aye |
| 11:15.11 | ifreq | thats why you have huge circle of friends here |
| 11:15.12 | ifreq | :) |
| 11:15.21 | red | dry snow is easier to scrape from your car windows :p |
| 11:15.25 | ifreq | true |
| 11:15.40 | ifreq | and well me as public transportation user it sux to walk over the bus stop in wet snow |
| 11:15.48 | ifreq | so rather COLD than .. anything else between |
| 11:15.59 | ifreq | gtg.. lahti is calling.. merry xmas peeps |
| 11:16.00 | ifreq | :) |
| 11:16.09 | red | to helsinki actually hehe |
| 11:16.11 | n900evil | wve |
| 11:16.42 | tbf | ifreq: like you said: the wet makes the difference |
| 11:17.06 | tbf | ifreq: wouldn't care that much about the temperature if it wouldn't also be that wet |
| 11:17.37 | dmj726 | lardman: have you ever tried any kind of focusing other that auto? |
| 11:18.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | ponders SanDiego Devices |
| 11:18.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | too far away from D though |
| 11:18.29 | tbf | ...well, and then HEL seems quite expensive. hmm, but could be that Ruoholahti isn't that representative for HEL. |
| 11:19.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd hope Nokia has a way to compensate for that |
| 11:19.52 | tigert | its a part of helsinki :) |
| 11:20.58 | tigert | compensate for what? |
| 11:21.25 | murrayc | Nokia employees never leave the office, right? That's how they compensate for the high cost of living outside of the office. |
| 11:21.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: did you say FMradio caused a trouble that couldn't be fixed by reflashing? |
| 11:22.01 | tigert | housing in helsinki center is expensive, but theres good public transort |
| 11:22.04 | tigert | +p |
| 11:22.47 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: no, but it messed up mixer settings so mic didn't work until a reflash / removal + reboot |
| 11:23.05 | tbf | tigert: yup, seems you better move to the rims |
| 11:23.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah. yes that's what I got as well |
| 11:23.15 | tigert | tbf: yea |
| 11:23.24 | tigert | well, depends what you want |
| 11:24.07 | tigert | its cheaper, sure |
| 11:24.11 | tbf | tigert: surely i would not want to spent half of my wage on rent - if i'd be there. |
| 11:24.33 | tigert | the tram range is good if one can get a decent home within it |
| 11:25.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | tbf: that largely depends on your wages |
| 11:25.40 | red | like 600e for a small apartment per month |
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| 11:26.02 | red | was kinda fun getting almost 1,5 the size of apartment at tampere for 370e/month |
| 11:26.20 | tigert | yeah |
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| 11:26.35 | tigert | helsinki is crazy compared to other parts of the country |
| 11:26.44 | tigert | but its like that everywehere |
| 11:26.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | well if 600EUR was half of monthly wage... dude :-/ |
| 11:27.24 | Stskeeps | i highly doubt that's half of monthly wage in .fi |
| 11:27.52 | Stskeeps | considering tax level etc |
| 11:29.03 | Laiska | depends what you do for a living :) |
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| 11:29.27 | SpComb^ | slaps whoever broke DISPLAY on maemo |
| 11:29.27 | suihkulokki | iirc median salary in .fi is 2600 eur/month |
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| 11:29.41 | tbf | DocScrutinizer51: consider having a family |
| 11:29.44 | SpComb^ | can't launch the mediaplayer over `ssh -X n810` :( |
| 11:29.48 | lardman | dmj726: nope |
| 11:29.55 | lardman | dmj726: why do you want manual? |
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| 11:30.31 | dmj726 | the autofocus is annoying and innapropriate in certain circumstances. |
| 11:30.39 | tbf | DocScrutinizer51: if you'll like to have a four rooms apartment you'll quickly reach half of your wage |
| 11:31.04 | dmj726 | So far I've found 2 use cases where it falls to pieces. |
| 11:31.10 | tbf | DocScrutinizer51: also consider that taxes are quite high in FI, so your netto is much lower than it'd be in D |
| 11:31.26 | lardman | dmj726: shoot |
| 11:31.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok |
| 11:31.46 | red | Stskeeps: it's pertty close to half monthly wage for some people with bad jobs |
| 11:32.10 | lardman | dmj726: it doesn't work well in macro mode, that's for sure |
| 11:32.12 | red | i myself get 298e/month for being at school, and 300e/month student loan on top of that |
| 11:32.12 | Stskeeps | red: in copenhagen the prices were so bad recently cops from inner city couldn't afford to live there :P |
| 11:32.22 | red | hah :D |
| 11:32.25 | dmj726 | 1) use as accessibility tool for visually impaired 2) use as stop motion miniature camera (macro in general actually) |
| 11:32.54 | lardman | ok |
| 11:33.02 | red | dmj726: the macro mode worked for me IF the background was really dark |
| 11:33.09 | red | like say my black pc table |
| 11:33.15 | red | other than that, quite random results |
| 11:33.31 | dmj726 | Dark background isn't always desired though. |
| 11:33.33 | red | somehow i still dont except phone cameras to be worth jackshit :) |
| 11:33.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: same for Munich |
| 11:33.45 | red | ofcourse not, just said it worked that way |
| 11:34.08 | tbf | DocScrutinizer51: still: if you don't have family yet and would enjoy getting paid for working on maemo: go and check nokia job offers |
| 11:34.15 | dmj726 | If the n900 camera *can* be made to do these things it should. |
| 11:34.26 | red | In Finland there isn't enough jobs for coppers, the 1 police school we have pumps out more graduates every year than there is even vaguely enough jobs |
| 11:34.42 | dmj726 | nothing wrong in the hardware (aside from a little noise in low light regions) |
| 11:34.48 | red | and the pay I heard sucks aswell |
| 11:34.53 | tbf | DocScrutinizer51: interesting job, good people and probably a very valuable experience |
| 11:34.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | tbf: ok. I probably should do exactly that |
| 11:35.03 | lardman | urgh, /me gives up learning Qt for the time being |
| 11:35.13 | red | why urgh |
| 11:35.58 | lardman | cos it's painful |
| 11:36.10 | SpComb^ | no mocp .deb for maemo either that I can find :( |
| 11:37.02 | SpComb^ | any other console players, or GUI ones that support running them over X? |
| 11:37.11 | SpComb^ | (ssh -X, that is) |
| 11:37.13 | n900evil | dmj: you mean the rear? |
| 11:40.32 | flux | man, pulseaudio is definitely an example of yet another too sparsely documented interface. but hey, atleast they've got comprehensive reference documentation.. |
| 11:40.50 | red | yep |
| 11:41.11 | dmj726 | yes, the rear 5mp camera |
| 11:42.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | dmj726: for the macro focus bork there's a trac ticket even afaik |
| 11:44.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | dmj726: manual focus would be a cute option anyway |
| 11:44.56 | dmj726 | yeah, it really allows for more artistic freedom with it. |
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| 11:45.19 | dmj726 | manual focus is a killer app for any camera. |
| 11:45.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I found macro focus rather flaky even with good light conditions (no focus flash) |
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| 11:46.39 | flux | it's a shame the source to some key apps isn't available |
| 11:47.24 | n900evil | manual focus won't give more than 1mm coc |
| 11:47.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: heh. ack |
| 11:48.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: coc? |
| 11:49.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: ^ |
| 11:49.26 | n900evil | circle of confusion |
| 11:49.37 | n900evil | see wikipedia |
| 11:50.26 | dmj726 | flux: I agree. |
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| 11:50.49 | dmj726 | In fact most of the egregious bugs I want fixed require the source to closed apps. |
| 11:50.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ponder to search wiki for circle of confusion. Rejects the proposal |
| 11:51.11 | dmj726 | manual camera focus, video playlists... |
| 11:52.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | selecting service when dialing from contacts... |
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| 11:53.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | more profiles... better profiles... |
| 11:56.17 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: "There's an app for that" :) |
| 11:56.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh |
| 11:56.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | for what exactly? on *maemo* even? ;-) |
| 11:57.00 | pupnik | dmj726: try the gpe audio player |
| 11:57.21 | dmj726 | audio playlists arent the problem, it's the video |
| 11:57.24 | wazd_n800 | "Want to show your bf that he's an asshole? There's a crap for that" |
| 11:58.08 | pupnik | or kmplayer |
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| 11:58.14 | dmj726 | it puts all the videos in one big list and expects you to open each one separately, (problematic for videos split across several episodes) |
| 11:58.50 | pupnik | it is a solid app with basic functionality |
| 11:58.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | wazd_n800: XD |
| 11:58.57 | pupnik | compare it to community apps |
| 11:59.02 | pupnik | kmplayer, gpe audio player |
| 11:59.05 | dmj726 | I have used kmplayer, the ui is awkward, and I can't figure out playlists but it's what I'm doing now for that. |
| 11:59.05 | pupnik | do it |
| 11:59.31 | pupnik | right, so would you say the nokia media player sucks, when compared to what other people have created? |
| 11:59.58 | dmj726 | it's a very nice app, except for the couple of major breakage points. |
| 12:00.04 | pupnik | i agree |
| 12:00.23 | dmj726 | just like the camera app and the contacts. |
| 12:00.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders if X-Fade is suggesting Nokia will sell an app for decent profile management in ovi-store eventually |
| 12:00.36 | pupnik | it takes a lot of work to make something that 'doesn't suck' |
| 12:00.48 | cosmo_ | what is the least sucking music player for n900 nowadays? |
| 12:01.03 | n900evil | cat |
| 12:01.07 | dmj726 | Fix half a dozen niggling issues with each of these apps and Nokia could have a practically flawless device. |
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| 12:02.31 | pupnik | cosmo_: the one from nokia, easily |
| 12:02.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | if finally they fix ambient light screen dimming. Sucks baseballs |
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| 12:03.21 | pupnik | i think it is perfect. i never notice the dimming |
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| 12:03.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh?? |
| 12:03.47 | cosmo_ | pupnik: oh, ok |
| 12:03.49 | pupnik | do you have an n810? |
| 12:04.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I should kick the testing app maybe |
| 12:04.47 | pupnik | i found the n810 reader to be a bit aggressive in changing brightness levels |
| 12:05.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: I have. and both are similarly PITA |
| 12:05.20 | pupnik | hmm interesting |
| 12:05.46 | SpeedEvil | I want portrait mode in the browser |
| 12:06.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | huge delay and always in inconvenient large steps |
| 12:06.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: hey! :D |
| 12:06.19 | SpeedEvil | and for the browser thing in the corner to accept swipes out from hte corner |
| 12:06.24 | SpeedEvil | as well as touches |
| 12:06.33 | pupnik | i'd be willing to bet they did actual testing with a large set of users with that screen dimming |
| 12:06.44 | SpeedEvil | isn't on laptop much - as it's broken - dropped |
| 12:06.48 | SpeedEvil | need replacement case |
| 12:07.04 | SpeedEvil | or warranty work |
| 12:07.09 | SpeedEvil | 1mo from end of 3y |
| 12:08.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: from my former experience with industry I'd dare to hold that bet |
| 12:08.23 | lardman | I'm confused, I thought qmake was supposed to call uic and generate cpp/h files for my ui files |
| 12:09.07 | cosmo_ | lardman: it is |
| 12:09.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: yep |
| 12:09.22 | lardman | doesn't generate any new cpp/h files |
| 12:09.37 | lardman | just a Makefile and a new .pro.user (?) file |
| 12:09.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: I learnt qmake is a bitch |
| 12:10.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | might need removal of some .o or elf to do it's job |
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| 12:10.32 | cosmo_ | lardman: i'd guess you should check your project file's contents |
| 12:10.41 | lardman | never been compiled, so should work I guess |
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| 12:10.53 | lardman | cosmo_: I wondered that, but have FORMS += mainwindow.ui in that file |
| 12:11.15 | cosmo_ | try running make distclean; qmake |
| 12:11.33 | RST38h | VDVsx finally found the right approach to app promotion |
| 12:11.50 | VDVsx | RST38h, kick someone ? :p |
| 12:12.05 | VDVsx | RST38h, kidnap X-Fade ? |
| 12:12.05 | lardman | cosmo_: no change |
| 12:12.06 | RST38h | VDVsx: Dump a list of direct voting links to t.mo. =) |
| 12:12.25 | lardman | cosmo_: am missing an include file in maeinwindow.cpp called: "ui_mainwindow.h" |
| 12:12.35 | RST38h | ohshitbattlegeweled has been ported |
| 12:12.45 | Stskeeps | there goes christmas, RST38h? :P |
| 12:12.52 | VDVsx | RST38h, btw, you Ti emulator is suffering "the lardman" bug |
| 12:12.52 | lardman | which I guess should contain some stuff to do with the widgets I added in the designer |
| 12:12.54 | VDVsx | X-Fade, ping |
| 12:12.58 | RST38h | Sts: Christmas? What Christmas? |
| 12:13.03 | RST38h | VDVsx: i.e.? |
| 12:13.08 | lardman | VDVsx: what's that? |
| 12:13.17 | VDVsx | RST38h, front page forever |
| 12:13.25 | VDVsx | maemo.org front page |
| 12:13.27 | lardman | that's a feature! |
| 12:13.29 | cosmo_ | lardman: create an empty qt project with qt creator and see what includes and .pro definitions it has |
| 12:13.47 | RST38h | VDVsx: Oh that shit =( |
| 12:13.48 | VDVsx | lardman, seems that the emulator got the same status, ahah |
| 12:13.55 | lardman | this is an empty project |
| 12:14.02 | lardman | with some widgets added to the main window |
| 12:14.03 | RST38h | VDVsx:I noticed it but thought it was the result of the date being set into the future |
| 12:14.20 | VDVsx | RST38h, keeps increasing |
| 12:14.25 | cosmo_ | lardman: created with qt creator? it should work out of the box |
| 12:14.27 | RST38h | facepalms |
| 12:14.30 | VDVsx | each time a new app joins extras |
| 12:14.31 | RST38h | X-Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade |
| 12:14.41 | lardman | cosmo_: indeed |
| 12:16.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: I doubt that's mathing his IRC client's highlight list :-P |
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| 12:18.10 | tbf | would be interesting to add such a feature |
| 12:18.50 | tbf | regex with '+' on each vowel |
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| 12:21.14 | lardman | decides to just code his app manually a la GTK+ |
| 12:22.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | tbf: you managed to have working regex for xchat? |
| 12:22.17 | lardman | time to do some work, cu all later |
| 12:22.40 | tbf | DocScrutinizer51: no, but also my nick doesn't have vowels |
| 12:22.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 12:23.29 | X-Fade | VDVsx: pong |
| 12:24.05 | VDVsx | X-Fade, saw my comment about Ti emulator ? |
| 12:24.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh. X-Fade actually seems to have that regex :-D |
| 12:24.17 | RST38h | X-Fade: ati85 is stuck at the top of Fresh list |
| 12:24.29 | RST38h | Doc: never underestimate him =) |
| 12:24.30 | VDVsx | X-Fade, the emulator got the lardman bug |
| 12:24.35 | VDVsx | :D |
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| 12:27.11 | X-Fade | It is just a very fresh app ;) |
| 12:29.13 | RST38h | permafresh indeed |
| 12:30.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
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| 12:31.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | does it autopatch and bump revision as well? |
| 12:32.08 | VDVsx | X-Fade, in case you didn't noticed the publication date increases each time a new app is promoted :) |
| 12:32.17 | cosmo_ | are there any decent pre-paid sim cards with unlimited data available in the us? |
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| 12:35.22 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Even worse, each import run it seems. |
| 12:36.49 | barisione | is the login for talk.maemo.org different from the main maemo.org? |
| 12:36.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | atime? |
| 12:37.05 | X-Fade | barisione: yes |
| 12:37.25 | barisione | X-Fade: .... |
| 12:37.32 | barisione | that explains why I couldn't login ;) |
| 12:37.33 | barisione | thanks |
| 12:37.47 | VDVsx | X-Fade, btw, can you remove zoutube from the testing interface ? the package was manually imported by marcell in your absence and people are wasting time voting for a app already in extras :( |
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| 12:39.09 | goon_ | Hi |
| 12:41.18 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Changed status to promoted. |
| 12:41.33 | VDVsx | X-Fade, thanks :) |
| 12:42.38 | VDVsx | RST38h, wow. fbreader already has 10 votes :p that was fast |
| 12:45.07 | tbf | VDVsx: makes me wonder if people really understand the purpose of extras-testing voting |
| 12:46.02 | pupnik | it is working fine here so far, i don't have books in all the supported formats though |
| 12:46.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | tbf: test it with an intentionally borked app? |
| 12:46.25 | VDVsx | tbf, well, if you follow the related thread at tmo, you'll see the reason for that, most of the voters were testing the app already |
| 12:46.39 | tbf | pupnik: well, the maemo.org theme also has >9 votes already, and it clearly is not ready for Maemo Extras yet |
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| 12:47.26 | pupnik | 5696usr/share/FBReader |
| 12:47.32 | VDVsx | tbf, that always a problem, for that reason we need a team of testers :D |
| 12:47.35 | pupnik | coughs politely |
| 12:47.35 | tbf | VDVsx: still i suspect the voting mechanism is abused as popularity contest, instead of being used as quality measure |
| 12:47.48 | VDVsx | tbf, yes |
| 12:47.59 | rdorsch | I replaced the sim card in my n900 and the n900 still tries the connect to the internet via the old connection |
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| 12:48.05 | VDVsx | tbf, you can see that easily with the most popular apps |
| 12:48.17 | rdorsch | Can I add a second phone internet connection? |
| 12:48.45 | rdorsch | I tried using the settings dialog, but I cannot change the connection type from WLAN to packet data. |
| 12:49.02 | tbf | VDVsx: guess voting should be linked with a short multiple-choice test |
| 12:49.03 | rdorsch | Has anybody else seen that issue before and/or has a solution for it? |
| 12:49.28 | VDVsx | tbf, yes, that's already planned |
| 12:49.34 | pupnik | mv /usr/share/FBReader/ /opt && ln -s /opt/FBReader /usr/share/FBReader in case you are pressed for space... |
| 12:49.40 | VDVsx | following the q6a criteria |
| 12:49.47 | VDVsx | *Q&A |
| 12:49.56 | tbf | VDVsx: ah. good. so i don't have to start a tmo thread :-D |
| 12:50.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | rdorsch: seems there's only one packet data setup |
| 12:50.25 | VDVsx | tbf, http://n2.nabble.com/Follow-up-from-QA-meeting-on-IRC-td3990526.html#a3990526 |
| 12:50.44 | VDVsx | some of those points might change :P |
| 12:51.23 | VDVsx | bbl (lunch) |
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| 12:51.59 | rdorsch | DocScrutinizer51: thanks for confirming that. That is a step back from the N8x0 which could handle several phones. |
| 12:52.25 | Stskeeps | rdorsch: i think it should be possible to add in Network connections or something |
| 12:52.39 | rdorsch | Stskeeps |
| 12:53.16 | rdorsch | Stskeeps: I see settings->internet connections |
| 12:53.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: I found no way |
| 12:53.36 | rdorsch | but I did not find any way to add a second packet connection there |
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| 12:53.58 | X-Fade | tbf: That is why I want to add more weight for votes from well known testers. |
| 12:53.59 | rdorsch | I cannot even delete the first one, only modify |
| 12:54.23 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: note pushing a bus off an icy stop doesn't really work |
| 12:54.23 | mece | If I insert a flash card, should it be mounted automagically or do I have to mount it myself? |
| 12:54.27 | mece | in my N900 that is.. |
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| 12:54.33 | sp3000 | those things are heavy. |
| 12:54.35 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: ouch? |
| 12:54.40 | X-Fade | tbf: They should also be able to push the apps that are stuck for a long time without votes. |
| 12:54.52 | sp3000 | he was able to reverse out of it eventually, in time for lunch :) |
| 12:55.10 | timeless_mbp | i'm skipping lunch i think |
| 12:58.52 | ifreq | is there a way to disable camera sound? |
| 12:58.59 | tbf | X-Fade: guess it's sufficient to build a score/karma system on bases of the multiple-choice test results |
| 12:59.16 | timeless_mbp | ifreq: change profile to silent |
| 12:59.20 | tbf | X-Fade: users are just uninformed, not evil |
| 12:59.34 | timeless_mbp | ifreq: or replace the wave file with a silent wave file |
| 12:59.45 | X-Fade | tbf: indeed. |
| 12:59.45 | timeless_mbp | is kinda surprised no one has packaged that |
| 12:59.50 | ifreq | ah okay. thanks |
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| 13:03.26 | Stskeeps | wb wazd |
| 13:04.39 | X-Fade | VDVsx, RST38h: The uber fresh ati85 issue has been fixed. |
| 13:04.42 | pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-book_formats the N900 now has more complete ebook reader support than Amazon Kindle, Kindle 2, Kindle DC, Sony Reader (all models), Hanlin E-Reader V3, Barnes & Noble Nook, Iriver Story! Thanks to open-source, FBReader and Marat |
| 13:04.48 | pupnik | hows that for a tmo fanboy thread |
| 13:05.02 | swc|666 | lolnice |
| 13:05.30 | pupnik | come to me, google |
| 13:05.44 | SpeedEvil | fbreader isn't ready - at least from what I saw. \UI where you get stuck in a page with no way out is bad |
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| 13:06.05 | pupnik | how can i recreate? |
| 13:06.34 | SpeedEvil | tbf: hey - I resent that remark. |
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| 13:08.33 | pupnik | mod-support is slick, adds .mod to tracker indexing |
| 13:10.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: the rolling-shutter IR rx approach looks promising from a test I just did |
| 13:11.50 | cosmo_ | pupnik: whoa.. does it also add a gstreamer mod player? |
| 13:15.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: interesting. I couldn;t dfind an IR remote |
| 13:15.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: main or front |
| 13:16.02 | tbf | SpeedEvil: which remark to where? voting remark to maemo-developers? |
| 13:16.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: main |
| 13:16.15 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mod-support/ |
| 13:16.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | with led "in contact" with lens |
| 13:17.02 | SpeedEvil | (12:59:20 PM) tbf: X-Fade: users are just uninformed, not evil |
| 13:19.39 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Did you manage to get 1px scanning working then? |
| 13:20.07 | SpeedEvil | The camera has a rolling shutter |
| 13:20.19 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Or just use time it takes to scan a line and divide? |
| 13:20.28 | SpeedEvil | this means it exposes - when set to minimum sensitivity - one line at a time |
| 13:20.45 | SpeedEvil | so - with a 2000 line camera, you get 2000 samples over the exposure time |
| 13:20.54 | wazd | damn, I'm really exhausted |
| 13:20.56 | SpeedEvil | say 2000/10th secs |
| 13:21.05 | SpeedEvil | 2000 in 1/10th of a sec |
| 13:21.27 | SpeedEvil | if the whole image is illuminated with a flashing light, you get a barcodeish effwct |
| 13:21.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: I just checked the light and dark horizintal bars |
| 13:22.08 | SpeedEvil | Ideally, you'd want to work out how to set exposure to minimum. |
| 13:23.19 | siriusnova | eep |
| 13:23.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway sensitivity is extremely low for IR - and blue which is kinda funny |
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| 13:24.26 | wazd | can anyone please give me a shot of maemo 5 desktop without widgets at all? |
| 13:25.01 | thresh | isnt there one on the wiki? that describes how to launch x-server in scratchbox |
| 13:25.30 | SpeedEvil | wazd |
| 13:25.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: you can't decode the 34/36/38KHz carrier but you get the rather low netto data quite accurately I'd guess |
| 13:26.13 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: unfortunately, the sample length may be too short - you may need multiple snaps |
| 13:26.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 13:26.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | thats been the idea |
| 13:26.38 | cehteh | hmpf .. i left the device with silent mode, all radios turned off, no apps running, locked and the battery is flat after 10 hrs |
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| 13:27.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: actually video |
| 13:27.39 | AndrewBlack | Hello |
| 13:27.46 | pupnik | the tablets / N900 can be serious sketching devices... http://pupnik.de/ma6.jpg |
| 13:28.11 | pupnik | wb AndrewBlack |
| 13:29.06 | wazd | SpeedEvil: : yeah, that's me :D |
| 13:29.20 | zash | pupnik: by hand? |
| 13:29.59 | pupnik | no, stylus |
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| 13:30.35 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: inter-frame is not zero |
| 13:30.42 | zash | pupnik: let me rephrase that, "did you do that from scratch?" |
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| 13:30.43 | SpeedEvil | waz` |
| 13:30.54 | jebba | ping X-Fade |
| 13:30.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: ack. sample retransmits |
| 13:30.58 | SpeedEvil | i was about to do that, but realised I had no screenshot |
| 13:31.03 | aquatix | wazd: wow |
| 13:31.10 | aquatix | erm |
| 13:31.12 | aquatix | pupnik: wow :) |
| 13:31.28 | furunk3l | pupnik, what did you use? |
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| 13:31.40 | furunk3l | as in what app |
| 13:31.47 | pupnik | yes. a sketch app i'm working on |
| 13:31.52 | furunk3l | ah |
| 13:32.08 | furunk3l | looks like it recognizes the pressure applied to the screen |
| 13:32.27 | furunk3l | i had something similar for the nds |
| 13:32.44 | wazd | SpeedEvil: : well, take one? :D |
| 13:32.49 | AndrewBlack | Who wants to be nice and test maemo-org theme for me? BTW once a package is removed for promotion it shouldn allow more votes on it I´ve had 4 people vote for my old package since I promoted new on into testing |
| 13:32.56 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/igannik.jpg zash |
| 13:33.14 | suihkulokki | pupnik: impressive |
| 13:33.22 | zash | pupnik: nice indeed :D |
| 13:33.42 | pupnik | thanks |
| 13:34.00 | SpeedEvil | wazd: ok - going up on my flickr |
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| 13:34.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ |
| 13:35.08 | SpeedEvil | k - there |
| 13:35.32 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: hmmm that should not happen? The older version should automatically be cancelled on promotion of the newer one? |
| 13:35.33 | wazd | SpeedEvil: thx a lot |
| 13:35.45 | zash | how sensitive are the screens on N*'s? |
| 13:35.53 | SpeedEvil | zash: quite. |
| 13:35.58 | SpeedEvil | zash: n900 anyway |
| 13:36.00 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Unless they used a direct link to the page perhaps. |
| 13:36.03 | SpeedEvil | zash: I have no issues |
| 13:36.14 | DarwinSurvivor | is it possible to access my n810's internal gps remotely with my laptop? |
| 13:36.32 | DarwinSurvivor | specifically to make it appear under gpsd://localhost ? |
| 13:36.34 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, They might have I was able to get there by looking at a comment someone made last night |
| 13:36.36 | thresh | never managed to get n810 internal gps to work with n810 itself |
| 13:36.44 | DarwinSurvivor | my laptop is running linux, so an ssh port forward would be fine |
| 13:36.51 | DarwinSurvivor | thresh: lol |
| 13:37.13 | DarwinSurvivor | thresh: never had that problem myself |
| 13:37.20 | zash | SpeedEvil: as in, not boolean pressure? |
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| 13:37.27 | DarwinSurvivor | the gps is not very accurate, but it does work (road following is good enough) |
| 13:37.53 | wazd | another question |
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| 13:38.13 | wazd | how close widgets on the desktop can be to the top? |
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| 13:38.13 | DarwinSurvivor | i'm trying to run navit on my laptop (i know it's also on n810, but i like the larger screen) and have it read the gps either over wifi (prefered) or bluetooth |
| 13:38.32 | wazd | right below titlebar or they have some gap? |
| 13:38.52 | Stskeeps | wazd: grab mer 0.17testing4 and you can use that as reference |
| 13:38.58 | melmoth | has a headache trying to understand how navit binary maps actually wokrs |
| 13:39.00 | Stskeeps | the themes aren't rendered wrong now |
| 13:39.17 | wazd | Stskeeps: oh! I forgot bout that :) |
| 13:39.21 | DarwinSurvivor | hmm, it appears gpsd runs on port 2947, i wonder if i can just port-forward it with ssh.... |
| 13:39.39 | cosmo_ | is author of mod-support on this #? |
| 13:40.05 | rdorsch | Is there a telnet application for maemo 5? |
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| 13:40.23 | rdorsch | (or another way to find out which ports my carrier allows me to connect to) |
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| 13:41.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | rdorsch: socat.comes to mind |
| 13:41.10 | DarwinSurvivor | omg, no wonder my n810 battery has been really short lately, the gps was on 24/7 :P |
| 13:41.57 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Yeah, we probably need to hide the fav box when already promoted or cancelled. |
| 13:42.28 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.17testing4/mer-x86-generic-image-v0.17testing4.vmdk.zip |
| 13:43.03 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, yeah because some people might not realize they are voting on wrong one |
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| 13:43.39 | Stskeeps | wazd: if you didn't dl already, can't recall :P |
| 13:44.57 | fnordianslip | AndrewBlack: is that version 1.0-3 you are asking for feedback on? if so the highlighting thing seems to be fixed, but the icon in the browser toolbar still looks odd for me. |
| 13:46.07 | AndrewBlack | fnordianslip you mean the arrow on the drop down box? |
| 13:46.09 | jebba | X-Fade: gotta run. Ponged you back. Anyway, looks like asterisk job didnt run, so i re submitted. BUUUT /me checking now, the upload is dying at 192k up, which is a spot it seems to hang at alot. Dunno. ciao for now. |
| 13:46.35 | fnordianslip | AndrewBlack: Yes. Oh, and the date in the desktop calendar widget isn't visible. |
| 13:46.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: note this was a short test only. Needs some better evaluation, e.g. by taking a video and analyze frame by frame. Preferrably on a known input IR pattern |
| 13:46.57 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: The drop down arrow in the browser looks fine to me... |
| 13:47.10 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, same for me |
| 13:47.13 | fnordianslip | weird. perhaps a reboot will help |
| 13:47.32 | AndrewBlack | fnordianslip can you send me a screenshot and always reboot after a theme install or update |
| 13:47.32 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: The text in the calendar applet is white on white, though |
| 13:47.49 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I mean, the text in the icon of the calendar applet |
| 13:48.06 | rdorsch | DocScrutinizer51: Where do I get socat from? |
| 13:48.08 | fnordianslip | AndrewBlack: screenshot of what, the calendar widget? |
| 13:48.19 | rdorsch | apt-cache search socat returns empty |
| 13:48.41 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, I´ll take a look at it might have to recolor hte applet we are rather limited on the number of colors we can use for text |
| 13:48.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | rdorsch: one of the additional repos iirc. either -devel or tools |
| 13:48.49 | AndrewBlack | fnordianslip the browser |
| 13:48.53 | fnordianslip | ok |
| 13:49.06 | wazd | Stskeeps: nah, i have it :) |
| 13:49.13 | Stskeeps | wazd: good :) |
| 13:49.20 | fiferboy | Hey wazd |
| 13:51.36 | fnordianslip | AndrewBlack: Not rebooted yet. screenshot here: http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/Screenshot-20091223-134945.png |
| 13:52.08 | AndrewBlack | thats fixed in new version did you have this theme active when you updated? |
| 13:52.17 | wazd | fiferboy: heya :) |
| 13:52.44 | fnordianslip | AndrewBlack: no. will reboot now and see if it looks better. |
| 13:53.04 | AndrewBlack | ok |
| 13:53.43 | AndrewBlack | I´ll be happy if I ever get my n900 to boot this morning an hour on USB charge and still dead |
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| 13:54.39 | wazd | fiferboy: I'm making a blogpost bout Personal Clock now btw :) |
| 13:54.59 | fiferboy | wazd: That puts a lot of pressure on actually releasing something at some point :) |
| 13:55.11 | VDVsx | X-Fade, AndrewBlack I think the packages have different names, that's the issue |
| 13:55.21 | VDVsx | one is maemo-org other is maemo.org |
| 13:55.29 | wazd | fiferboy: well, deadline is "somewhere in 2010" so relax :D |
| 13:55.44 | fiferboy | VDVsx: They have the same name, but one has the "XB-Maemo-Display-Name" set |
| 13:55.58 | VDVsx | ah ok |
| 13:56.00 | fiferboy | Same package name, that is |
| 13:57.25 | fnordianslip | AndrewBlack: after reboot, browser looks normal now. calendar widget still has date in white on white. |
| 13:58.41 | joppu | AndrewBlack: hey, i got my n900 now! |
| 13:58.56 | AndrewBlack | fnordianslip, I´ll look at calendar when Iget my n900 to boot havn trouble with it righ now |
| 13:59.05 | AndrewBlack | joppu, awsome I hope it works this tiime |
| 13:59.07 | fnordianslip | ok good luck |
| 13:59.18 | joppu | :D |
| 14:00.40 | tbf | AndrewBlack: using white shadow for desktop bookmarks, app manager and banners is by purpose? |
| 14:00.47 | tbf | AndrewBlack: looks odd. |
| 14:01.42 | AndrewBlack | shaddow on text? |
| 14:02.14 | tbf | AndrewBlack: put a bookmark on your desktop and look at the label |
| 14:02.46 | tbf | AndrewBlack: well, or check banners |
| 14:03.01 | AndrewBlack | been working on getting n900 to boot for an hour will once I get it up, you talking about a shadow on the text? |
| 14:03.54 | tbf | AndrewBlack: yup. for those widgets, text has a shadow |
| 14:04.22 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Ah, want me to kill one? |
| 14:04.26 | tbf | (hmm. hopefully not a result of the PR1.1 release candidate i am testing) |
| 14:04.40 | AndrewBlack | tbf, there is no color that says its for shadow but I´ll look into it. joppu you know which on |
| 14:05.16 | X-Fade | jebba: .dsc should be enough, I can copy the other files in place. |
| 14:05.22 | VDVsx | X-Fade, ask AndrewBlack , but seems a bug according to fiferboy |
| 14:05.32 | VDVsx | bug in the package interface |
| 14:06.01 | tbf | AndrewBlack: if you look at the gtkrc file you'll find stuff like this: |
| 14:06.02 | tbf | style "fremantle-note-label" = "osso-color-themeing" |
| 14:06.02 | tbf | { |
| 14:06.02 | tbf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.02 | tbf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.02 | tbf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.04 | tbf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.06 | tbf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.11 | tbf | } |
| 14:06.20 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Ah, always love those. |
| 14:06.35 | VDVsx | X-Fade, :) |
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| 14:07.00 | fnordianslip | I'm not seeing a shadow in HAM or on desktop Bookmark |
| 14:07.59 | VDVsx | X-Fade, humm, but probably is *not* a bug depends if you consider the XB-Maemo-Display-Name or the package name as reference |
| 14:08.08 | tbf | AndrewBlack: btw, also have a look at /usr/share/libosso-abook/gtkrc.libosso-abook - if you want to theme the avatar image in callui and contacts |
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| 14:09.43 | pupnik | btw crosstool-ng builds without problems in maemo sdk vm |
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| 14:11.16 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Package name as use in file. |
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| 14:14.41 | wazd | fiferboy: something like this :) http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/0912/6a/a445915421ff.png |
| 14:15.11 | fiferboy | wazd: Nice |
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| 14:16.30 | thresh | why would someone need two clocks on the same screen? |
| 14:16.51 | Stskeeps | travelling? |
| 14:16.59 | wazd | thresh: why not? :) |
| 14:17.17 | SpeedEvil | I would like a large resizable digital clock widget |
| 14:17.20 | thresh | eats space and useless? |
| 14:17.26 | wazd | yes |
| 14:17.30 | SpeedEvil | So I can have the entire desktop filled with a clock |
| 14:17.34 | zash | real clocks sit on your arm ffs! |
| 14:17.44 | SpeedEvil | this means when on charge - it can just be sitting on that |
| 14:18.06 | AndrewBlack | tbf, I´ll take a look at the colors and fix them. In the next release can if you don mind can you file a bug on it. Might them the default avatar image to orange as well |
| 14:18.18 | SpeedEvil | maybe with an updating weatrhew widget on the same page forex |
| 14:19.20 | wazd | thresh: : first of all it's large, as you may notice |
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| 14:19.20 | thresh | yeah, but you get used to look at the small clock anyway |
| 14:19.54 | SpeedEvil | thresh: not if you're a couple of meters away |
| 14:20.42 | SpeedEvil | Say with it on the bedside table as an alarm clock with the kickstand out and charger on |
| 14:20.45 | thresh | of your mobile phone? then probably they are stealing it from you ;)) |
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| 14:22.27 | wazd | anyway, it's a dead simple widget, why not |
| 14:23.08 | wazd | and you can draw any type of clock your brain can imagine* |
| 14:23.28 | wazd | *- standard behaviour expected :) |
| 14:23.40 | joppu | Oh, by the way, does anyone know how to enable utf-8 in the terminal while using screen? |
| 14:25.54 | joppu | oh and using ssh |
| 14:26.49 | fnordianslip | joppu: this help me a bit: |
| 14:26.50 | SpeedEvil | wazd: just mod picture-frame to accept 1440 frame animated gifs |
| 14:26.51 | fnordianslip | export LC_ALL="en_GB.UTF-8" |
| 14:26.54 | fnordianslip | in my .profile |
| 14:27.23 | wazd | SpeedEvil: yeah, that was my point :) |
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| 14:33.08 | joppu | fnordianslip: thank |
| 14:33.38 | fnordianslip | joppu: no problemo. i am using bash though, so not sure if that is significant. |
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| 14:49.06 | AndrewBlack | N900 battery died now after 1.5 hours charing over usb is stops loading during 5 dots going back and forth think it just needs more charge time? |
| 14:49.39 | AndrewBlack | nm finally booted that time |
| 14:50.02 | AndrewBlack | just needs more battery booted that time then died right away |
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| 14:51.54 | X-Fade | 'Charging over USB' |
| 14:52.42 | X-Fade | Some devices give such a low amperage that you really can't call it charging anymore ;) |
| 14:54.09 | cehteh | while charging, the device never goes to C4? |
| 14:55.08 | cehteh | hum yes it does |
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| 15:05.31 | AndrewBlack | well qgil only have a euro plug when it sent it to me and I never went to get a us plug or adapter |
| 15:07.15 | VDVsx | a adapter is very cheap ;) |
| 15:10.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: Do you know why I cannot promote FBReader 0.10.7-9? |
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| 15:11.12 | rdorsch | Is it possible to dial a phone number from the address book using SIP instead of the direct cell phone line? |
| 15:11.16 | Khertan | Hi Again ! |
| 15:11.30 | Khertan | rdorsch: works with skype |
| 15:11.35 | rdorsch | I only was able to do that by bringing up the dialpad |
| 15:11.54 | rdorsch | and switch to a sip connection. |
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| 15:13.50 | VDVsx | RST38h, to extras ? |
| 15:14.38 | RST38h | VDVsx: Yes |
| 15:14.58 | VDVsx | RST38h, 10 days of quarantine |
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| 15:16.26 | RST38h | Ah |
| 15:16.41 | RST38h | VDVsx: Does ZLibrary also have to obtain 10 votes? |
| 15:17.07 | VDVsx | RST38h, if is a lib, no |
| 15:17.13 | VDVsx | if is in user/ ye |
| 15:17.13 | RST38h | Cooooooooooooool |
| 15:17.18 | VDVsx | *yes |
| 15:17.21 | RST38h | No, it is a lib now |
| 15:17.28 | RST38h | So, have to wait for 10 days? |
| 15:18.01 | VDVsx | yes, I guess you will receive a email when the package is ready for promotion |
| 15:18.43 | X-Fade | Correct, you should. |
| 15:19.01 | jpe | can i sync the n900's calendar with a google calendar ? |
| 15:19.35 | mgedmin | jpe: I found no way to do that |
| 15:20.10 | thresh | you can |
| 15:20.21 | thresh | i've found the howto in russian how to do that |
| 15:20.27 | mgedmin | url? |
| 15:20.39 | thresh | http://arkanoid.livejournal.com/277655.html#cutid1 |
| 15:22.29 | udovdh | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Farkanoid.livejournal.com%2F277655.html%23cutid1 |
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| 15:24.51 | jpe | tresh: pff, that transaltion is not very clear to me... |
| 15:25.28 | thresh | cant help you. |
| 15:25.33 | thresh | learn russian, you know ;) |
| 15:25.46 | timeless_mbp | lbt: ping |
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| 15:25.59 | timeless_mbp | is the British Rail network working today? |
| 15:27.18 | mgedmin | jpe: google, I'm sure you'll find threads on talk.maemo.org and maybe even youtube videos |
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| 15:30.19 | jpe | mgedmin: articles about import/export, but not about syncing... |
| 15:30.40 | mgedmin | Mail for Exchange on the N900 + the google server that pretends to be Exchange |
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| 15:32.19 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: it doesn't really work in sales |
| 15:32.29 | timeless_mbp | the version of the protocol that we speak and that they speak isn't the same |
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| 15:32.57 | mgedmin | well, then, finding a Russian speaker to translate that article won't help jpe ... |
| 15:33.46 | pupnik | do you guys install dependencies in your armel target with apt-get install? |
| 15:34.48 | mgedmin | pupnik, in scratchbox? yes; we also use fakeroot |
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| 15:34.50 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: apt-get builddep is an alternative |
| 15:35.06 | mgedmin | isn't it spelled build-dep? |
| 15:35.33 | timeless_mbp | whatever :) |
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| 15:39.00 | pupnik | thanks for confirming that network access is possible |
| 15:39.22 | timeless_mbp | you need to poke /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf |
| 15:39.23 | timeless_mbp | roughly |
| 15:39.30 | timeless_mbp | google for those filenames and scratchbox |
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| 15:40.43 | mgedmin | and also check /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 15:40.57 | mgedmin | there are two copies of those files in scratchbox: one in your target, one in /scratchbox |
| 15:41.11 | mgedmin | one is used by emulated apps, other is used by devkit apps |
| 15:41.12 | mgedmin | afaiu |
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| 15:42.07 | pupnik_ | ty mgedmin yes, i've read it all. don't worry/bother |
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| 15:43.49 | cheshair | hi! i have some code which compile with the old gcc 4.0.0 (april 2005). can i use a gcc4.0.0 toolchain under maemo? |
| 15:44.31 | cheshair | or i'd better fix my code so that it compiles under modern gcc? |
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| 15:44.51 | SpeedEvil | Merry Christmas! I will now paste a massive christmas tree ascii art. if you don't have the bandwidth, part. |
| 15:44.55 | SpeedEvil | <|- |
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| 15:45.25 | pupnik_ | cheshair: where do you want to host your program? |
| 15:45.59 | thresh | cheshair: fixing the code is always better. |
| 15:47.21 | cheshair | pupnik_: host my program? i just want to run some tests |
| 15:47.51 | cheshair | thresh: i guess you are right. thanks! |
| 15:48.07 | pupnik_ | i was thinking that if you want to submit it to repository, it will need to build properly with autobuilder and whatever gcc they have... |
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| 15:49.49 | Khertan | Someone know how to desactivate word completion in a hildon.TextView ? |
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| 15:51.37 | pupnik_ | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > ping 213.155.157.9 |
| 15:51.37 | pupnik_ | ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 15:51.52 | pupnik_ | elohel :) |
| 15:51.53 | tcarl|work | durrr. Any reason the USB connector on the bottom of the N900 isn't a standard one? |
| 15:52.08 | pupnik_ | it is a standard one |
| 15:52.25 | pupnik_ | they keep adding to the standard |
| 15:52.38 | X-Fade | tcarl|work: micro-usb |
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| 15:52.49 | tcarl|work | pupnik_: Ah, so much for that. I guess I just didn't have any other devices with that one :P |
| 15:52.56 | tcarl|work | Shows how up to date on the standards I am. |
| 15:53.22 | pupnik_ | yeah. at least we are past DB-25 |
| 15:53.26 | X-Fade | tcarl|work: About every phone produced from now on will have that. |
| 15:54.09 | tcarl|work | Good to know. Why for the micro-usb over the 'b' style connectorL |
| 15:54.11 | tcarl|work | connector? |
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| 15:55.11 | pupnik_ | If i could manufacture micro-usb cables without the "break my $800 device" lever-arm, i would. |
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| 15:55.27 | SpeedEvil | pupnik |
| 15:55.37 | pupnik_ | sup |
| 15:55.39 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: you can, but it involves a dremel |
| 15:55.41 | X-Fade | tcarl|work: smaller, and EU imposed standard. |
| 15:55.52 | SpeedEvil | sorry - I have problems with premature returnulation when wearing gloves |
| 15:56.13 | SpeedEvil | I've made some mini-b - though not micro as yet |
| 15:56.26 | pupnik_ | speed, i can cut away some of the rubber |
| 15:56.32 | jebba | [2009-12-23 16:45:01] REJECTED: 'File size for /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/asterisk_1.6.2.0.orig.tar.gz does not match that specified in .dsc' |
| 15:56.35 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: not really the problem |
| 15:56.36 | jebba | X-Fade |
| 15:56.42 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: though that can take off about half |
| 15:56.50 | pupnik_ | well on the nokia cable it wouldn't help much |
| 15:57.08 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: you then need to cut away the metal, and re-fix it so it clamps round the connector, is not held together by the end. |
| 15:57.14 | tcarl|work | How many connectors can you possibly have for a 5V - 4 pin connection?! |
| 15:57.41 | pupnik_ | you're right, SpeedEvil. i doubt i can solder that well though |
| 15:57.42 | SpeedEvil | tcarl|work: A, B, mini-ab, mini-b, microb |
| 15:57.50 | SpeedEvil | not even counting usb3 |
| 15:57.57 | pupnik_ | anyway, too late for me |
| 15:58.12 | tcarl|work | SpeedEvil: Right, I knew all the standards, (aside from the micro-b) -- but this is a bit nutso. |
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| 15:59.20 | jebba | X-Fade: since yesterday or so, about 90% of the time when i try to upload something it hangs at exactly 192k up (not 192k/sec, 192k total transferred). |
| 15:59.36 | clmntch_ | hello |
| 15:59.40 | tcarl|work | whats the root password on my N900? (sudo apt-get install x11vnc) is not happy. |
| 15:59.43 | Oli```` | How can I save an alias (command for terminal use) on the n900? is there a .aliasrc (or other) file somewhere? |
| 15:59.58 | zash | Oli````: .profile ? |
| 16:00.05 | zash | Oli````: or .bashrc ? |
| 16:00.14 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.32 | SpeedEvil | tcarl|work: indeed. |
| 16:00.55 | SpeedEvil | tcarl|work: Actually, I'm an advocate of throwing it away. Going with 4-pin 3.5mm for USB. |
| 16:00.56 | mgedmin | tcarl|work, no root password |
| 16:01.01 | SpeedEvil | tcarl|work: |
| 16:01.05 | mgedmin | unless you set one by installing openssh-server |
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| 16:01.32 | SpeedEvil | A connector that c<an actually work easily for docking. But the standard is now microb, so we're stuck with that for the next 5 years |
| 16:02.13 | Oli```` | jebba & zash: sticking it in .profile worked well - thanks |
| 16:02.28 | zash | SpeedEvil: 4 pin "audio jack" with usb? |
| 16:02.41 | zash | SpeedEvil: like ipod shuffle? |
| 16:02.57 | SpeedEvil | zash: pretty much |
| 16:03.05 | SpeedEvil | zash: though I've never seen the shuffle |
| 16:03.21 | tcarl|work | SpeedEvil: Yeah, its too bad that we've had all the tomfoolery with those connectors. |
| 16:03.39 | Sargun_Screen | The shuffle is stupid. |
| 16:03.42 | SpeedEvil | all of the USB connectors pretty much fail the 'slam it in the dock' test miserably. |
| 16:03.42 | tcarl|work | From the x-term on the N900, how do I access the super user account? (For instance, to use apt) |
| 16:03.46 | pupnik_ | the freakin planet is INFESTED with python coders, and we have no action on mypaint for maemo... http://popolon.org/gblog2/categorie/tout/sci-et-tech/logiciel-libre/mypaint/page/2 http://gudmundson.se/anders_gud/index.php?id=16 |
| 16:03.48 | SpeedEvil | sudo gainroot |
| 16:03.54 | SpeedEvil | afrter installing the right package. |
| 16:04.37 | zash | SpeedEvil: something more like wireless .. phones have for charging, like DECT? |
| 16:04.49 | zash | SpeedEvil: just some pins on the bottom |
| 16:04.52 | SpeedEvil | zash: yes, that would be nicer |
| 16:04.52 | tcarl|work | SpeedEvil: sudo gainroot :: 'Enable RD mode if you want to break your device' |
| 16:04.57 | SpeedEvil | zash: it has issues of its own |
| 16:05.10 | zash | SpeedEvil: would make it realy hard to break |
| 16:05.22 | zash | by twisting the device etc |
| 16:05.28 | zash | and cable |
| 16:05.38 | SpeedEvil | zash: that would be my secondary preference over a magnetic jack of some form. |
| 16:05.38 | tcarl|work | oh, sudo gainroot 'root access command' |
| 16:05.58 | zash | SpeedEvil: yeah, that would be nice too |
| 16:06.22 | SpeedEvil | zash: well - after power over wifi :) |
| 16:07.00 | zash | SpeedEvil: yea!, aka microwave-oven-the-size-of-your-hosue |
| 16:08.04 | wazd | fiferboy: http://i036.radikal.ru/0912/c1/59c0797c6fac.png |
| 16:08.39 | fiferboy | wazd: I like it |
| 16:10.15 | tcarl|work | ah |
| 16:10.17 | tcarl|work | ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode |
| 16:10.18 | tcarl|work | grr. |
| 16:13.35 | tcarl|work | You'd think that nokia would just sell N900s that are unlocked, without any root restrictions on them :P |
| 16:15.02 | mgedmin | install rootsh |
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| 16:18.23 | X-Fade | tcarl|work: They are. |
| 16:19.49 | SpeedEvil | tcarl|work: child safety locks aren't a bad thingf |
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| 16:21.34 | melmoth | hmmm, my application manager tells me there s a "maemo" udpate |
| 16:21.42 | melmoth | is it a new firmware that s available ? |
| 16:22.00 | X-Fade | melmoth: Click on details ;) |
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| 16:22.23 | flux | tcarl|work, as far as I understand, rd-mode isn't something you're supposed to -use- your phone in |
| 16:22.37 | melmoth | argh, it says it needs the nokia app :-( |
| 16:22.51 | melmoth | i though update where just coming as new packages with apt-get |
| 16:22.54 | ali1234 | right, rd mode turns on all sorts of debugging stuff you don't want all the time |
| 16:23.07 | X-Fade | melmoth: Nokia app? |
| 16:23.15 | AndrewBlack | ok I´m getting worried N900 died this morning put it on usb charge and 3.5 hours later every time I try and turn it one I get it to boot but then says low battery shows red battery icon and then shutsdown |
| 16:23.31 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Use a charger. |
| 16:23.44 | melmoth | this update needs the nokia update application on your pc. Connect the usb cable and open the update application thingy |
| 16:23.51 | melmoth | (the original text is in french) |
| 16:23.52 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, don´t have one I guess I´m going to the store today |
| 16:24.03 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Some ports give so little juice that it actually costs more than it charges. |
| 16:24.06 | BluesLee | is there a dict app in extras? |
| 16:24.14 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Try a proper pc, not a laptop. |
| 16:24.22 | AndrewBlack | I have car car charger in wifes car I guess I can try that |
| 16:24.43 | ali1234 | in my experience, laptops give out more power than pcs, on usb. cos they are designed to be used without ac power... |
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| 16:25.06 | ali1234 | pc designers seem to think "well, you have to plug in the pc, might as well plug in the hub too..." |
| 16:25.58 | X-Fade | The charger charges at 1.2A, so that is quite a lot more than a typical usb port delivers. |
| 16:26.02 | AndrewBlack | well I got it on my Desktop now using the ports one back instead of front ports don´t knowif i will help. Don't think I will make it 5 more hours with no phone lol |
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| 16:27.11 | AndrewBlack | I should have asked for a phone charger for christmas |
| 16:27.17 | X-Fade | Basically charges your battery in an hour. Last 5% goes very slowly though. |
| 16:27.34 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: What happened to your original one? |
| 16:27.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ali1234: actually that's probably just because laptops are more 'cheap' and power conserving design |
| 16:28.24 | ali1234 | that makes no sense :) |
| 16:28.35 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, I´m in US and when Quim mailed me N900 from finland all he had was a Euro Plug he sent it but doesn do me an good lol |
| 16:28.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so simply have a single fuse for all usb ports rather than sophisticated current control |
| 16:28.59 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, I´ve made due using USB and car charger in wifes car until now |
| 16:29.06 | ali1234 | anyway, all i know is none of my external HD enclosures work with any of my PCs without external power source, but they all work with all my laptops without it |
| 16:29.24 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Ah. Well, just use the euro one on your socket. Change the terminals a bit ;) |
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| 16:29.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ali1234: that matches well the situation as described by me above |
| 16:29.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | how i rite program 4 n900? how is program formed? how n900 get program? |
| 16:30.01 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, Can´t put round pegs in a rectangle hole :) |
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| 16:30.12 | LeoD | it was on the news this mroing, a mother in ar |
| 16:30.19 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Sure you can, with force. |
| 16:30.21 | AndrewBlack | and the euro to us adapter is more expensive then a us charger |
| 16:30.32 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, lol |
| 16:30.35 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Or creative soldering. |
| 16:30.46 | Gadgetoid_mbp | AndrewBlack: Unless the diameter of said rounded peg is smaller than the dimensions of rectangular hole |
| 16:31.07 | AndrewBlack | itsn´t more then just shape of plug? |
| 16:31.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | In which case, it's actually easier to fit a round peg into a square hole |
| 16:31.50 | AndrewBlack | wonders if he can put a Euro plug in his house? |
| 16:32.12 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: No. These chargers eat 110 -> 230V 50->60Hz |
| 16:32.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | One should say, you cannot fit a round peg of radius 2x into a square hole with sides equal to x |
| 16:32.27 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Without a laser... |
| 16:32.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | euro(F) to US(M) adapters are 10 a buck |
| 16:33.14 | X-Fade | I'm pretty sure ebay has $2 adapters. |
| 16:33.19 | X-Fade | Including shipping ;) |
| 16:33.28 | cehteh | mhm is my wlan at 1mbit because of powersaving or because of bad reception |
| 16:34.01 | flux | cehteh, the first one should be easy enough to rule out? |
| 16:34.24 | tcarl|work | do not use N900 on ATT network :( no 3G. |
| 16:34.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | basically always due to #2 |
| 16:34.38 | cehteh | i think so, but i am 3 meters from the AP with line of sight |
| 16:34.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though switching to 100mW might help for reception |
| 16:34.52 | mgedmin | neighbours use the same wifi channel? |
| 16:34.57 | flux | cehteh, how about: 3) some mystic incompatility |
| 16:35.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | chan conflict very usual case |
| 16:35.39 | cehteh | old dlink AP :/ |
| 16:36.11 | cehteh | nah laptop wots well |
| 16:36.26 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: http://cgi.ebay.com/Travel-Changer-Adapter-Plug-European-Euro-to-US-USA-NEW_W0QQitemZ220530562483QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3358a555b3 |
| 16:36.36 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: $1 incl. shipping ;) |
| 16:36.36 | cehteh | other problem was that the friggn dhcp there gave an ip out twice :P |
| 16:37.07 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, lol I guess I have no excuse not to order one now |
| 16:37.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | X-Fade: for 10pcs ? ;-) |
| 16:37.35 | dneary | Hi |
| 16:37.38 | X-Fade | All the way from Hong Kong ;) |
| 16:37.52 | dneary | GAN800, What was that keyboard shortcut you mentioned to take a screenshot on Maemo 5? |
| 16:37.52 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, so you know its good quality then |
| 16:37.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that's incredible indeed |
| 16:38.01 | dneary | Ctrl-Shift-P? |
| 16:38.06 | cehteh2 | uhm |
| 16:38.09 | flux | cehteh, time to upgrade to new 802.11 :) |
| 16:38.22 | AndrewBlack | I still say only monkeys and use that key combo |
| 16:38.44 | cehteh2 | irc messages lost strange |
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| 16:38.56 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: I've ordered quite a few of these things for all kinds of countries. They generally aren't bad at all. |
| 16:39.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | dneary: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures |
| 16:39.16 | flux | andrewblack, yeah, ctrl-shift sucks. I've been seriously considering changing the keymapping to make shift and ctrl adjacent.. |
| 16:39.20 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: It is just 2 pieces of metal with some plastic, how hard can it be ;) |
| 16:39.38 | tcarl|work | This is pretty cool. When getting a incoming call, turn over the device so the screen faces down towards the table surface = Silence an incoming call |
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| 16:40.32 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: lol, 5 for $2 ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/5X-Travel-Europe-Euro-EU-AU-To-US-USA-Adapter-Plug-New_W0QQitemZ280431494247QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414b050467 |
| 16:40.46 | cehteh2 | well, i got packages installed at good speed |
| 16:41.05 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, then I would need 4 more n900s |
| 16:41.18 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: That is quite a nice target ;) |
| 16:41.21 | flux | andrewblack, sorry, but I don't see the down side? |
| 16:41.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The Ă‚Â£2000 price? |
| 16:41.48 | tcarl|work | I have to say that the N900 is a better 'phone' than the iphone is. (Call quality / etc) |
| 16:42.06 | flux | andrewblack, with vnc you could have all four desktops visible at once and you'd have one to spare! |
| 16:42.12 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Really tcarl|work? I don't phone much, so I haven't really grokked that yet |
| 16:42.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | still far from 10 / buck. well forgot shipping ;-) |
| 16:42.42 | tcarl|work | Gadgetoid_mbp: Yeah, it seems that way. I'm still wrestling with ATT, to port my number to TMobile, and on ATT's network it seems to be a bit better. |
| 16:42.48 | tcarl|work | It'll also get much louder than my iphone. |
| 16:42.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | louder is good for me, very good |
| 16:43.36 | AndrewBlack | ok if n900 doesn'boot this time I´m givving up til I get charger |
| 16:43.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I was going to use my iPhone for calls and the N900 for geekery |
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| 16:44.13 | AndrewBlack | gave wife my iphone made her happy |
| 16:44.28 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Same here AndrewBlack ... so happy she got herself an iPhone 3Gs |
| 16:44.38 | tcarl|work | AndrewBlack: You don't have a charger for your N900? How does that work? :P |
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| 16:45.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | AndrewBlack: give it time to boot the hidden os after plugin of charger |
| 16:45.12 | Gadgetoid_mbp | iPhone is small enough for it to be an easy chuck into my gadget bag |
| 16:45.43 | tcarl|work | The only thing I'm fearful about my N900, is the screen -- being that its not made of glass :( |
| 16:46.03 | flux | I was at first sorrily disappointed by the 2.5mm/3.5mm to usb adapter |
| 16:46.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | AndrewBlack: I found N900 boot behaviour on chrger is quite weird and different from bott on battery |
| 16:46.19 | AndrewBlack | tcarl|work, everyone asks that question. Quim sent me this n900 to do theme devolpment and to take the Linux shows when I got do talks on Mer. Since he is in europe he only had euro plugs so I can plug it in US |
| 16:46.22 | flux | but then I noticed that my charger was some 350mA one that came with my headset.. |
| 16:47.14 | X-Fade | flux: lol, that will take a lot of time then ;) |
| 16:47.20 | AndrewBlack | DocScrutinizer51, n900 is acting crasy I think it just need a good charge from a real source not USB its so dead its not getting enough power to make it though boot before dying |
| 16:47.30 | flux | x-fade, indeed, it wasn't charged fully after a night (8 hours or so) |
| 16:48.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | AndrewBlack: I find that basically every USB chargeable device wont charge from USB when depleted... fun that, isn't it? |
| 16:48.22 | dneary | Hmmm |
| 16:48.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | AndrewBlack: I think it should get to he state where yellow led flashes even with 350mA |
| 16:48.43 | cehteh | AndrewBlack: dont boot then .. |
| 16:48.47 | dneary | Funny, when we got the N900s first I set up syncing with Google over MfE, and while it didn't work every time, it mostly worked |
| 16:49.03 | dneary | It allowed me to sync my phone book as a one-off operation, at least |
| 16:49.08 | cehteh | charging is controlled by the cpu, it can come to a state where no charging is possible |
| 16:49.10 | AndrewBlack | Gadgetoid_mbp, yeah I have had that problem before but normally i get get n900 to boot after a few hours must reall be dead this tiem |
| 16:49.24 | dneary | And now, when I try to set it up after reflashing, I don't get past the "server settings" page |
| 16:49.48 | dneary | Anyone else had this problem? Is there code checking if you're trying to sync with Google and preventing it now? |
| 16:49.52 | AndrewBlack | DocScrutinizer51, yeah I get the yellow charging light not not charging enough lol |
| 16:50.01 | X-Fade | AndrewBlack: Is it cold over there? It can help to put it in your pocket. |
| 16:50.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Big scratchbox is big |
| 16:50.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | AndrewBlack: that's strange |
| 16:50.26 | X-Fade | But it should just charge without being booted. |
| 16:50.39 | AndrewBlack | X-Fade, like 60degrees f |
| 16:51.01 | AndrewBlack | DocScrutinizer51, IĂ¡Â¸Â¿ sure its not helping me trying to boot it ever 20 mintues lol |
| 16:51.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | even with 350mA charger bat should be completely charged after 6h |
| 16:51.51 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Bringing the usb port up costs power too it seems. |
| 16:52.00 | flux | docscrutinizer51, assuming the device isn't on? |
| 16:52.07 | tcarl|work | hates ATT |
| 16:52.08 | tcarl|work | lots. |
| 16:52.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: that's well understood here. I had the idea its understood at Nokia as well |
| 16:52.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: exactly |
| 16:53.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | and make that 9h |
| 16:53.29 | flux | I've been thinking that the device should be able to give a decent guestimate on battery consumption, judging from cpu load, network load, etc |
| 16:53.48 | flux | n810 used to give a runtime in hours for usage and for idle |
| 16:54.00 | flux | of course, maybe the device actually knows the battery draw, no idea |
| 16:54.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: lshal l grep bat |
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| 16:55.23 | tcarl|work | recommendations for N900 cases? |
| 16:55.25 | flux | docscrutinizer51, yeah, it has that, but I wonder if the reason it isn't shown in the GUI is that it might ont be accurate.. |
| 16:55.36 | flux | docscrutinizer51, also it gives only one number |
| 16:55.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 16:56.22 | tcarl|work | anyone done any rsync backup with their N900 yet? :P |
| 16:56.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: probably some part of hw / fw was smarter on N810 |
| 16:57.58 | tcarl|work | Would a case like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Black-Silicone-Case-Skin-Cover-For-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ370309444596QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item563829b3f4 cause problems with bringing up the pointer in the web browser? |
| 16:57.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway. Need to prepare for 3 days of emergency |
| 16:58.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 16:59.09 | tcarl|work | Heh, the N900 does seem to get pretty warm, during calls. |
| 17:00.06 | flux | tcarl|work, umm, how would the sliding keyboard work with that? |
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| 17:00.58 | SpeedEvil | it's in two parts |
| 17:01.07 | flux | tcarl|work, I bought zagg's invisible shield, seems to be a decent one that doesn't affect operating at all (the stylus doesn't slide as good as it used to now, though) |
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| 17:02.01 | flux | ..but the film sure was a bitch to put on, especially over the display.. |
| 17:04.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | this sleve is covering the ambient light sensor :-( |
| 17:04.32 | TomaszD | does anyone experience ham getting stuck while updating on pr1.1? |
| 17:09.42 | tcarl|work | flux: Yeah, I looked at that, and heard horror stories of trying to get that shield over the display, and how it was damn near impossible to get rid of all the bubbles. |
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| 17:12.21 | AndrewBlack | flux, I thought the zagg ones were easy to install once you wet them |
| 17:12.23 | flux | tcarl|work, indeed, it's a bit difficult :). and better do it in a room with relatively little dust.. like a clean-room :) |
| 17:12.32 | flux | andrewblack, yes.. have you tried doing it? |
| 17:12.43 | flux | it comes with a sponge for wetting them |
| 17:12.57 | AndrewBlack | flux, Haven´t ordered one for n900 yet but had one for my iphone |
| 17:13.51 | AndrewBlack | flux to fix dust problem run hot shower in bathroom steam gets dust wet then it settles |
| 17:14.03 | tcarl|work | hmm. To use the flasher with the N900, do you need to set it in mass storage mode? or pc suite mode? |
| 17:14.09 | tcarl|work | PC Suite mode, doesn't seem to work. :( |
| 17:14.21 | flux | after a few days I readjusted mine, it turned out to be ok.. except the corners got some damage. but I'll live with it :) |
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| 17:14.52 | flux | I also got a full shield that also covers the backside, and it had the added benefit that the backside also gets a bit sticky.. it won't slide off things as easily either :) |
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| 17:15.44 | tcarl|work | flux: Cool. I'm most concerned about the fact the screen isn't made of glass. |
| 17:15.55 | SpeedEvil | tcarl|work: the screen is |
| 17:16.01 | SpeedEvil | tcarl|work: the front element is not. |
| 17:16.24 | SpeedEvil | And with a screen protector, you can't damage the front element without smashing the glass. |
| 17:16.28 | SpeedEvil | 9 |
| 17:16.30 | tcarl|work | right, either way, the resistive touchscreen element is not glass. |
| 17:16.34 | SpeedEvil | through mechanical impact) |
| 17:16.35 | tcarl|work | meaning scratchy scratchy. |
| 17:16.51 | SpeedEvil | replace protector -> no scratched |
| 17:16.56 | dneary | Hi |
| 17:17.02 | flux | mine was for two weeks without the film, didn't get a scratch on it |
| 17:17.07 | dneary | Anyone here thinking of presenting at FOSDEM? |
| 17:17.15 | flux | of course, I was a big careful about it, knowing the film was coming |
| 17:17.36 | tcarl|work | Yeah, I'm tempted to try that. The difficulty of installation is currently a turn-off to me though. |
| 17:17.49 | Clok | too bad nokia didn't include a case like they did with n810 |
| 17:17.51 | SpeedEvil | it's really not hard |
| 17:18.32 | tcarl|work | does --enable-rd-mode usually take forever? |
| 17:20.42 | tcarl|work | SpeedEvil: Yeah, but I'm a perfectionist :P |
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| 17:21.49 | aspidites | googling be damned I can't seem to find an apt command that will list all packages belonging to a repository. apt-cache showpkg seems to list installed packages and apt-cache search * produces nothing. |
| 17:22.13 | tcarl|work | aspidites: pipe the output from showpkg to apt-get install |
| 17:22.24 | tcarl|work | oh nevermind. |
| 17:22.37 | tcarl|work | you want available packages, not installed ones :P |
| 17:22.41 | aspidites | right |
| 17:22.49 | aspidites | this is why i like my archlinux :-) |
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| 17:23.23 | TomaszD | are repositories unresponsive completely? |
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| 17:23.55 | tcarl|work | aspidites: apt-cache pkgnames |
| 17:23.59 | tcarl|work | pipe that to install |
| 17:24.19 | aspidites | tcarl|work: will try |
| 17:27.29 | aspidites | no dice. reading "apt-cache --help" also reveals that that command is only for installed packages not installable ones |
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| 17:27.33 | tcarl|work | what the hell? |
| 17:27.48 | tcarl|work | why can't I enable RD mode on my phone through the flasher? |
| 17:28.26 | tcarl|work | Method is not supported in the current mode :( |
| 17:28.27 | tcarl|work | sad |
| 17:28.54 | ml-N900 | are you in the bootloader or is the pohone running normally? |
| 17:29.00 | ml-N900 | -o |
| 17:29.03 | tcarl|work | phone is running normally. |
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| 17:29.15 | aspidites | hmm.. wonder if i could use a regex with apt-cache search |
| 17:29.20 | tcarl|work | maemo@maemo-desktop:~/Desktop/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2$ sudo ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode |
| 17:29.20 | tcarl|work | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 17:29.20 | tcarl|work | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 002. |
| 17:29.20 | tcarl|work | Using flashing protocol Mk II. |
| 17:29.20 | tcarl|work | Method is not supported in the current mode |
| 17:29.22 | tcarl|work | doh |
| 17:29.24 | tcarl|work | wrong paste. |
| 17:29.26 | tcarl|work | Sorry about that. |
| 17:29.34 | tcarl|work | Was going to link to pastebin, apologies for the flood. |
| 17:29.36 | TomaszD | shut the phone down... |
| 17:29.46 | TomaszD | run the command... |
| 17:29.52 | TomaszD | plug the phone |
| 17:29.55 | tcarl|work | ah. command loads the phone. |
| 17:29.57 | tcarl|work | got it. |
| 17:29.59 | tcarl|work | I'm an idiot. |
| 17:30.43 | TomaszD | is anyone else having terrible troubles with the repositories? I barely got one successful apt-get update out of 15 tries |
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| 17:31.08 | TomaszD | this is with PR1.1 |
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| 17:32.18 | aspidites | got it to work using regex :-) |
| 17:33.11 | tcarl|work | cool, what cmd did ya use? |
| 17:33.38 | aspidites | apt-cache search [a-z,A-Z,0-9] |
| 17:33.57 | tcarl|work | assuming you have no packages that start with odd characters :) |
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| 17:34.20 | aspidites | tcarl|work: true. i think debian has packaging standards that prevent that, which is why i didn't worry |
| 17:34.39 | tcarl|work | Hopefully :) |
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| 17:34.51 | tcarl|work | if you're against official debian repositories, I'm sure they adhere to that. |
| 17:35.00 | tcarl|work | But, against non official repositories, I'd watch out. |
| 17:35.05 | aspidites | god forbid i have to install a package named @&^Rsome_app |
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| 17:35.16 | lardman | evening chaps |
| 17:35.30 | aspidites | evening lardman |
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| 17:36.23 | SpeedEvil | Stupid predictive text. |
| 17:36.31 | SpeedEvil | I just accidentally identified to 'ni'. |
| 17:36.34 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 17:36.40 | SpeedEvil | (already changed passwords) |
| 17:36.42 | tcarl|work | ouch. |
| 17:36.44 | tcarl|work | thats not good. |
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| 17:37.53 | Kht_n900 | Hi again ! |
| 17:37.54 | Kht_n900 | noone have an idea on how to remove word completion in a hildon Textview ? |
| 17:38.00 | GAN900 | I see Sygic is abusing the maemo.org logo. |
| 17:38.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: disable predictive, disable autocap. sucks |
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| 17:39.20 | kevloral | hi all |
| 17:39.21 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I dunno. |
| 17:39.37 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: predictive is just useful enough for me that I keep it on. |
| 17:39.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: only just though. |
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| 17:40.49 | Kht_n900 | I WAnT to make it optional for pygtkeditor |
| 17:41.04 | Kht_n900 | this is why i want to found a way to inactive it |
| 17:41.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I thought that as well. but ended with always missing one of the needed double-bs to correct typos. that's when 8 was fed up with it |
| 17:41.39 | arachnist | Kht_n900: you can disable it alltogether |
| 17:41.51 | Kht_n900 | did you know how to innactivate it on a textview ? |
| 17:42.08 | Kht_n900 | how ? |
| 17:43.15 | Kht_n900 | there isn t anything in api about that |
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| 17:44.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: autocap is a mega pita for passwords. so that's no good as well |
| 17:45.05 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 17:45.17 | SpeedEvil | especailly with the breakage in some cases meaning it's always *'d |
| 17:45.35 | SpeedEvil | the ability to turn that off would be nice. |
| 17:45.36 | RST38h | where is firmware 51-1???? |
| 17:45.55 | SpeedEvil | shoulder surfing is lots less of a risk whern the chars are 3mm high |
| 17:46.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: full ack |
| 17:46.48 | TomaszD | anyone experiencing https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277 ? |
| 17:46.50 | povbot | Bug 7277: Often stalls indefinitely while refreshing repositories, stalls while downloading packages |
| 17:47.03 | Kht_n900 | so noone know how to remove autocaps in a textview ? |
| 17:47.40 | TomaszD | Kht_n900: you're talking about capitalizing first letter in a text box? |
| 17:47.53 | Kht_n900 | i m browsing documentation, example code, mailing list for 3 hours ago |
| 17:48.03 | Kht_n900 | TomaszD : and word completion |
| 17:48.13 | lcuk | TomaszD, nop, but are you experiencing https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7276 |
| 17:48.14 | povbot | Bug 7276: maemo optify works in postinst and breaks still when space is limited |
| 17:48.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Kht_n900: I know of global setting only |
| 17:48.28 | TomaszD | Kht_n900: check out http://gpodder.org/commit/e4b8fac7 |
| 17:48.46 | Kht_n900 | arg :( |
| 17:48.46 | Kht_n900 | i ll look |
| 17:48.54 | Kht_n900 | thx tomaszD |
| 17:49.16 | TomaszD | lcuk: I think they fixed it in PR1.1 |
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| 17:49.50 | lcuk | fixed without a bug report |
| 17:50.04 | TomaszD | RST38h: PR1.1 community testing |
| 17:50.16 | lcuk | yeah i know what it is |
| 17:50.20 | lcuk | isnt working from 42.11 |
| 17:50.54 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Works for me? |
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| 17:51.01 | lcuk | besides, this is maemo-optify in the sdk/builder |
| 17:51.27 | TomaszD | X-Fade: presummit or summit device? |
| 17:51.50 | RST38h | TomaszD: Where is it though? =) |
| 17:51.50 | lardman | lol @ backup app warnings |
| 17:51.52 | Kht_n900 | TomaszD: it s works ! THANKS A LOT ! |
| 17:51.59 | lcuk | hey lardman \o |
| 17:52.02 | RST38h | would happily test 51-1 =) |
| 17:52.14 | lardman | "device contains file of the same name, rename backup" but what's the bloody file in question you stupid computer!? ;) |
| 17:52.26 | TomaszD | RST38h: report bugs and be active, maybe you'll get invited next time around :) |
| 17:52.37 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 17:52.44 | TomaszD | Kht_n900: np |
| 17:52.44 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Legacy. |
| 17:53.01 | lcuk | lardman, i knew there was something to show you, lemme dig the photo i tool in barcelona |
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| 17:53.47 | TomaszD | X-Fade: legacy here as well. Third time restarted fmradio install, finally went through, very weird |
| 17:53.53 | wazd | RST38h: : haha, you're an unactive loser :D |
| 17:54.28 | TomaszD | if you say so wazd, I don't get to choose who gets an invite |
| 17:54.35 | wazd | RST38h: welcome to the club :D |
| 17:55.06 | RST38h | TomaszD: You mean, all these reports of "still not working in 51-1" I am getting are for someone else's bugs? |
| 17:55.08 | RST38h | =) |
| 17:55.20 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, falling below the event horizon... |
| 17:56.00 | wazd | RST38h: well, I can make some tea before you'll join me in singularity :D |
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| 17:56.29 | VDVsx | RST38h, you're not in the list ? |
| 17:56.35 | RST38h | VDVsx: Apparently not |
| 17:56.48 | VDVsx | strange since you're one of the people with more bug reports |
| 17:57.04 | RST38h | VDVsx: I am probably too much of PITA or something :) |
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| 17:57.25 | office_ | office ej |
| 17:58.27 | lcuk | lardman: http://liqbase.net/liq.barcode.advert.barcelona.for.lardman.20091204_002.jpg |
| 17:58.31 | wazd | RST38h: : You're too much blonde! © Fightclub :) |
| 17:58.34 | lcuk | seen on a bilboard right outside the hotel |
| 17:58.38 | RST38h | wazd: Me? Blonde? |
| 17:58.43 | RST38h | facepalms |
| 17:58.45 | wazd | RST38h: : yep :D |
| 17:58.57 | wazd | RST38h: : *too much* :) |
| 18:00.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well the photo was tooled |
| 18:01.11 | VDVsx | RST38h, your are #4 in bug reports :( |
| 18:01.49 | RST38h | VDVsx: well there is a slight probability that GMail classified invitation as spam |
| 18:02.19 | VDVsx | RST38h, probably |
| 18:02.22 | VDVsx | better check |
| 18:02.37 | wazd | oooh, I know what I'll do |
| 18:02.46 | wazd | I'll take Vlad's n810 :D |
| 18:03.03 | VDVsx | RST38h, actually is #9 :D |
| 18:03.22 | RST38h | wazd: Glue two of 'em together! |
| 18:03.22 | tcarl|work | time to port my number! |
| 18:03.57 | wazd | plays with hardware eToken pass generator |
| 18:04.01 | RST38h | VDVsx: Nah, nothing. |
| 18:04.17 | wazd | RST38h: : DS style :) |
| 18:04.35 | RST38h | wazd: Use a door hinge! |
| 18:04.46 | wazd | RST38h: : yeah :) |
| 18:05.01 | wazd | RST38h: : Pandora style :D |
| 18:05.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm wondering if I should get a Droid on contract and sell it to some smuck, equalling a massively discounted contract... but the word "contract" doesn't turn me on unless it's preceded by "rolling, 1 month" |
| 18:05.16 | RST38h | Has Pandora shipped already? |
| 18:05.21 | VDVsx | no |
| 18:05.22 | VDVsx | lol |
| 18:05.27 | RST38h | Ehehe |
| 18:05.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | RST38h: only preliminary mass production units to super mega core devs |
| 18:05.40 | lcuk | Gadgetoid_mbp, a rolling one month contract can still land you in shit |
| 18:05.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm. never thought about using my spare 810 this way ;-P |
| 18:05.50 | lcuk | prepaid ftw normally |
| 18:05.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | lcuk: true, dat |
| 18:06.37 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: you're in the states? |
| 18:06.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'd like a good prepaid data/voice SIM, that I could top up with about Ă‚Â£15 a month |
| 18:06.42 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: UK |
| 18:06.48 | wazd | RST38h: : no, but amniotic fluids are gone already :) |
| 18:06.52 | SpeedEvil | wazd: the eink one from paypal? |
| 18:07.03 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: do you use many minutes? |
| 18:07.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'd call it a Milestone, but then nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about |
| 18:07.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: Approximately none |
| 18:07.12 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: or is it data only? |
| 18:07.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | My Ă‚Â£15/pm is data only at the moment |
| 18:07.38 | wazd | SpeedEvil: nah, basic LCD |
| 18:07.38 | RST38h | wazd: Somehow I keep believing they are trying to deliver the baby through a wrong orifice though |
| 18:07.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It can send texts at cost, and probably even theoretically receive calls |
| 18:07.55 | lardman | lcuk: :) |
| 18:08.16 | wazd | SpeedEvil: but it has cool special effect when numbers appear :) |
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| 18:08.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'd ultimately love a PAYG voice SIM bonded magically to a monthly data SIM |
| 18:08.26 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: one option - for cheap calls - is tmobile - which with a PAYG sim, and a 6 month internet booster - for a total of 25 quid gets you a sim and a 6 month contract. |
| 18:08.33 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: err |
| 18:08.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: Or what you just said... |
| 18:08.47 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: SIM and 6 months data capped at 1G/mo |
| 18:08.58 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: well - with a fair use of ratehr |
| 18:09.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | 1g/mo isn't great, but realistically I'm not going to exceed that on a mobile |
| 18:09.13 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 18:09.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And, at that price, I could keep my data SIM anyway |
| 18:09.25 | SpeedEvil | And 20/6 is a good price |
| 18:09.32 | lcuk | lardman, ho wmuch snow is at yourend? |
| 18:09.32 | ali1234 | t-mobile is unlimited, 1GB "fair use", after that they degrade you to gprs |
| 18:09.45 | wazd | http://www.open-pandora.org/images/stories/pandastart.jpg - render failed |
| 18:09.53 | wazd | there's nothing under volume wheel |
| 18:09.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I love the abuse of the term "unlimited" |
| 18:10.03 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: hitting 1G/mo - if you're in wifi range most of the time - is gonna be hard though |
| 18:10.06 | ali1234 | at least on web'n'walk |
| 18:10.16 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: this isn't web and walk |
| 18:10.16 | ali1234 | yeah i have never gone over the 1GB that i know of |
| 18:10.20 | Gadgetoid_mbp | wazd: why look at renders? there's photos of mass production devices... |
| 18:10.39 | wazd | Gadgetoid_mbp: well, render is still failed :) |
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| 18:10.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm in wifi range unless in a car, in which case I'm still in wifi range on long journeys thanks to the MiFi |
| 18:10.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | nice spot wazd, I never noticed it! |
| 18:12.01 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: topcashback are now only offering 15% on nokia alas. |
| 18:12.01 | ali1234 | also 3 has a data only plan with unlimited free skype calls |
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| 18:12.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: I don't know if I'll even get my cashback |
| 18:12.20 | ali1234 | so you'd only have to pay for skype-out minutes or w/e |
| 18:12.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The day of reckoning approaches |
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| 18:12.47 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: oh - I diddn't realise you'd bought already. |
| 18:12.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But from what I know about the cashback process (from first hand experience) Nokia will not pay up |
| 18:13.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah SpeedEvil, did 2x15% discount + TopCashBack |
| 18:13.11 | SpeedEvil | 3*15%+... |
| 18:13.13 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD6gytB1iw8 - oober oldskool |
| 18:13.31 | SpeedEvil | (inc spare bat) |
| 18:13.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm just looking for a SIM to put in it, as I've got either PAYG Orange, or Three Data Only |
| 18:13.36 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Nice one |
| 18:13.37 | lardman | lcuk: almost nothing, just a dusting then ice |
| 18:13.45 | lardman | lcuk: is raining now |
| 18:13.46 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'll grab a free spare bat, anyhow.. BLAG POWER |
| 18:14.03 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: my n900 is working well with tmob anyway |
| 18:14.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Mobile phone accessory shops email me all the time, as part of their goddamned link building strategies |
| 18:14.16 | lcuk | you lucky thing, the sideroads here (my house) are totally white still, main roads now clearing |
| 18:14.31 | lardman | I'd like some snow actually! :) |
| 18:14.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Thanks for the tip off, SpeedEvil, I'll definitely look into it at that price |
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| 18:14.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I've used t-mob before (Vario 3/TyTN II) and liked 'em |
| 18:15.13 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: it's hidden - go to payg accounts - and then ignore the obvious internet options, and hit 'boosters' |
| 18:16.53 | ali1234 | awesome, e-uae compiles and runs with no mods :) |
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| 18:17.24 | pupnik | ali1234: you know that uae4all was built for maemo? |
| 18:17.30 | ali1234 | where is it? |
| 18:17.36 | pupnik | where else |
| 18:17.40 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: Very hidden! |
| 18:17.42 | ali1234 | it;s in the repos now? |
| 18:17.58 | pupnik | haha |
| 18:18.05 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/uae4all.gz |
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| 18:18.25 | pupnik | also 441080 Feb 29 2008 uae_0.8.25-6_gregale.deb |
| 18:18.45 | pupnik | needs a nice gui |
| 18:18.54 | ali1234 | does it use the e-uae gui? |
| 18:19.59 | pupnik | actually i never got the source iirc |
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| 18:20.00 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: 5 days mobile internet at Ă‚Â£2.50, assuming 30 days in a month, 30/5*2.5 = Ă‚Â£15 |
| 18:20.02 | ali1234 | why does everyone uae uae4all for arm ports? |
| 18:20.08 | ali1234 | isn't it for sh4? |
| 18:20.19 | pupnik | i dunno man, working on other things |
| 18:20.28 | ali1234 | what's the advantage over upstream? |
| 18:20.56 | pupnik | uae_0.8 ran about 4 fps and i got uae4all up to about 20 with -fprofile-generate |
| 18:21.09 | ali1234 | e-uae is running plenty fast ... |
| 18:21.14 | pupnik | cool |
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| 18:21.24 | ali1234 | can't see the timer, will investigate after i eat |
| 18:21.27 | pupnik | please tell me it's not using sdl audio |
| 18:21.29 | ali1234 | dunno |
| 18:21.33 | ali1234 | almost certainly is |
| 18:21.52 | pupnik | i was putzing with that for days, trying to get sdl-audio running with pasuspender |
| 18:22.09 | pupnik | it loses it every 10 seconds or so, regardless of load |
| 18:22.24 | pupnik | whereas something like mplayer -ao alsa will run happily w/o issues |
| 18:22.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Wow, a Christmas miracle. TNT picked the Droid up at 6:22 |
| 18:23.09 | pupnik | hm i have an idea |
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| 18:25.55 | n900evil | gadget yeah - not that |
| 18:28.54 | n900evil | hmm paste into xchat? |
| 18:29.37 | arachnist | ^V |
| 18:29.48 | n900evil | gadg: services- boosters- http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/payg/boosters/#6-month-internet |
| 18:29.55 | n900evil | that |
| 18:29.58 | n900evil | thanks |
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| 18:30.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | http://www.three.co.uk/Pay_As_You_Go/SIM_Only/About_free_SIM - would be nice if it said what the "generous free mobile internet allowance" actually was |
| 18:30.34 | pupnik | qwer[tab] [tab] :/ |
| 18:30.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | n900evil: cheers! |
| 18:31.09 | pupnik | funny to see who disappears and gets active over the holidays |
| 18:31.25 | pupnik | s/gets/who gets/ |
| 18:32.28 | Gadgetoid_mbp | n900evil: very, VERY hidden! sheesh... I was looking at the PAYG SIMs themselves |
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| 18:33.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Can't complain about Ă‚Â£3.33/month |
| 18:34.44 | simula_ | if anybody finds a pay as you go tmobile internet option in the states that's cheap... tell me :) |
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| 18:35.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | orders a free PAYG SIM from T-mob |
| 18:35.20 | GiantTalkingCow | A free what? |
| 18:35.37 | Gadgetoid_mbp | PAYG = Pay As You Go |
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| 18:35.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/free-pay-as-you-go-sim-cards/ |
| 18:36.00 | bongo|kup | hEy, could someone please check if it's possible to port klogic to maemo? |
| 18:36.31 | GiantTalkingCow | Ah. I was planning to get an unlocked phone and then go with something similar myself. |
| 18:36.40 | pupnik | link, bongo|kup |
| 18:36.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Also says "Top up Ă‚Â£10 for FREE unlimited internet & texts next month" |
| 18:37.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Although I don't foresee toping up Ă‚Â£10/month |
| 18:37.46 | bongo|kup | dIrect hit on google ... Im typing from my phone, sorry, pupnik |
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| 18:39.44 | pupnik | looks doable bongo|kup |
| 18:41.27 | cehteh | grr .. a little spring came off the camera slide here.. |
| 18:42.15 | bongo|kup | So it is time to install the sdk |
| 18:42.26 | bongo|kup | ::) |
| 18:42.31 | pupnik | bongo|kup: need a kde/qt person to look into it and see how nasty the kde integration is |
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| 18:42.58 | pupnik | Unmet build dependencies: kdelibs4-dev |
| 18:43.20 | arachnist | kde integration is always beautiful :) |
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| 18:45.28 | cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=392144#post392144 |
| 18:45.35 | cehteh | grr ... yes exactly that |
| 18:47.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, I don't slide my camera enough to have that problem yet |
| 18:49.45 | roadi | the original headset of the n900 are really bad... missing bass and missing mid-range sound :( |
| 18:49.48 | cehteh | i didnt slide it much |
| 18:50.09 | cehteh | but the black cap is really thin and only glued to the blue plastic |
| 18:50.29 | cehteh | roadi: i dont even consider to try them out :) |
| 18:52.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | roadi: Ask Nokia nicely, and they might give you some Sennheiser i7s to replace them |
| 18:52.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Clearly your headset is broken |
| 18:52.36 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ie8s even! |
| 18:52.42 | cehteh | has a sennheiser px200 .. i can really recommend it |
| 18:52.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | cehteh: they were good! |
| 18:53.01 | arachnist | i have sennheiser hd595 and i can really recommend it |
| 18:53.12 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But I use Roland RH300s now |
| 18:53.13 | arachnist | but they're not something one might want to walk around |
| 18:53.19 | arachnist | (waay too big) |
| 18:53.22 | pupnik | i can de-recommend the Ultimate Ears 5.1 headphones. bad seals and corroded cables. |
| 18:53.24 | cehteh | considering to buy a pxc300 with noise canceling |
| 18:53.27 | pupnik | earbuds rather |
| 18:53.35 | cehteh | i dont like earbuds |
| 18:53.38 | roadi | have a really good mix ... you can test it... btw i have a 40 euro creative usb sound card with headset. |
| 18:53.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Also got the noise cancelling cans |
| 18:53.43 | cehteh | closed headphones ftw |
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| 18:54.00 | Gadgetoid_mbp | cehteh: the PXC350 are good |
| 18:54.12 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The PXC300... not so much |
| 18:54.14 | cehteh | Gadgetoid: ah yes was 350 .. |
| 18:54.23 | cehteh | the newest one i mean |
| 18:54.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But I've only ever really used my 350s on flights |
| 18:54.26 | ShadowJK | the original, like all canalphones, will sound like crap if you don't get airtight seal |
| 18:54.57 | ShadowJK | corroded cables? |
| 18:55.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I still swear by the Roland RH300, don't need noise cancelling as they just drown out everything quieter than the inside of a jet liner |
| 18:55.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And you can get 'em for around Ă‚Â£140 now |
| 18:55.20 | RST38h | never bought wired headphones for more than $9.99 |
| 18:55.26 | RST38h | should I? |
| 18:55.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | RST38h: yes |
| 18:55.40 | RST38h | but why |
| 18:55.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm half deaf and I can tell the difference... |
| 18:56.00 | arachnist | RST38h: because, unless you're deaf, the difference is staggering |
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| 18:56.29 | ShadowJK | I had wireless headphones after getting tired of wires that become so stiff and brittle within 6months they just break... but then I switched back to wired when I couldnMt find wireless with nice sound |
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| 18:56.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | although that does make me favour headphones that are capable of being ridiculously loud- by which I mean you can comfortably use them as desktop speakers without distortion |
| 18:56.53 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ShadowJK: stiff and brittle wires? where the hell do you live! |
| 18:57.14 | arachnist | i want to get sennheiser cx500 or ie8 for use with the N900 |
| 18:57.31 | RST38h | wazd: yandex may port their maps! |
| 18:57.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The IE8 are very good arachnist |
| 18:57.36 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Maybe a little pricey though |
| 18:57.37 | arachnist | Gadgetoid_mbp: using headphones as speakers can damage them |
| 18:57.41 | ShadowJK | the plastic in them degrades |
| 18:57.43 | RST38h | is probably deaf then =( |
| 18:58.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | arachnist: not when they're decent headphones ;) |
| 18:58.18 | ShadowJK | I like sennheiser... but not enough to pay cx500 ĂƒÂ¥rice without testing first |
| 18:58.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Sennheiser IE7 are good enough, and really quite affordable in the grand scheme of things |
| 18:58.34 | arachnist | Gadgetoid_mbp: a friend of mine has damaged his HD555's |
| 18:58.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I think I had the CX500s in, too, but didn't listen to them |
| 18:59.02 | wazd | RST38h: : well, some guy has already made a plugin for MM |
| 18:59.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | arachnist: that's because those are cheap rubbish... |
| 18:59.05 | cehteh | the px200 is now available for 30-40 eur or so |
| 18:59.06 | cehteh | and it is really good .. closed comfortable headphone, but doesnt fit anyones ears |
| 18:59.13 | arachnist | Gadgetoid_mbp: HD555 ~ HD595 |
| 18:59.19 | ShadowJK | cx300 is dirt cheap, ludicrously lots of bass, and for me too loud with n900 on /lowest/ volume setting... |
| 18:59.23 | RST38h | wazd: but it is a patch to MM really |
| 18:59.27 | RST38h | not very useful =( |
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| 18:59.31 | arachnist | Gadgetoid_mbp: there's not much difference |
| 18:59.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | arachnist: my statement still stands |
| 18:59.43 | arachnist | Gadgetoid_mbp: your statement is a fail |
| 18:59.47 | arachnist | :> |
| 18:59.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I have absolutely blasted the bejesus out of my Rolands, they're immortal |
| 19:00.07 | cehteh | how long does your n900 take to charge on the charger? |
| 19:00.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I use them plugged into a bass amp so I can hear it over everything else |
| 19:00.18 | arachnist | cehteh: hour or 2 |
| 19:00.22 | RST38h | wazd: btw, is your transmission ui mockup going to be used in transmission? |
| 19:00.22 | flux | arachnist, from zero? |
| 19:00.27 | flux | because it's taken 4 hours for me :-o |
| 19:00.30 | arachnist | flux: yes |
| 19:00.39 | flux | maybe I need to re-benchmark it |
| 19:00.44 | cehteh | playing netradio while charging and it was almost full (was on usb before) and it takes ages now |
| 19:00.44 | wazd | RST38h: if qwerty12 will cure his IRCfobia then yes :D |
| 19:00.53 | RST38h | heh |
| 19:00.53 | cehteh | blinking orange |
| 19:00.59 | RST38h | he is afraid of irc? since when? |
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| 19:01.09 | wazd | ~seen qwerty12 |
| 19:01.11 | infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20d 37m 12s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. |
| 19:01.17 | cehteh | is there some bug where it blinks orange but doesnt charge? |
| 19:01.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | As much as I love Sennheiser 'phones I always go back to them |
| 19:01.27 | cehteh | but reports its charging |
| 19:01.37 | wazd | RST38h: for 20 days already :) |
| 19:01.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | wazd: did a transmission UI mockup!? |
| 19:02.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Me wubb transmission |
| 19:02.13 | wazd | Gadgetoid_mbp: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ |
| 19:02.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | wazd: You're a genius |
| 19:03.06 | pupnik | hope he's ok. has a nice timidity project |
| 19:03.10 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Loe the divider/progress bar idea |
| 19:03.35 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And the colourful lovliness of all the info on the front screen complete with icons |
| 19:03.36 | wazd | Gadgetoid_mbp: thanks, but far from it yet :) |
| 19:03.41 | RST38h | wazd: poor guy |
| 19:03.50 | RST38h | Hmm...MicroEmulator is running on n900 |
| 19:04.08 | zash | Hey, real clocks have the minute hand above the hour hand! |
| 19:04.40 | wazd | oh |
| 19:04.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | would also love a quick launcher for the N900, it's lacking in the launcher dept |
| 19:04.47 | wazd | fail :) |
| 19:04.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But I'd want to swipe up and get a left/right scrolling dock |
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| 19:04.57 | zash | Gadgetoid_mbp: gnome do?! |
| 19:05.02 | RST38h | wonders whether he should package microemulator |
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| 19:05.20 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:05.23 | Gadgetoid_mbp | zash: like that only less sucky |
| 19:06.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | gnome do annoyed me for reasons I can't even remember, looked into it for my Samsung NC10 a while back... before OSX broke my MBR and took over |
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| 19:09.09 | cosmo_ | does anyone know if it's possible to use DUN of another phone from n900? |
| 19:09.23 | cosmo_ | like the internet tablets did |
| 19:09.45 | BabelO | cosmo_: yes you can |
| 19:09.57 | cosmo_ | from the ui? |
| 19:10.00 | BabelO | dund is whjat you want |
| 19:10.10 | BabelO | cosmo_: did not see from ui |
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| 19:12.57 | pupnik | RST38h: any thoughts on 'nogr'? |
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| 19:13.24 | pupnik | I am suspecting "run away" is the proper action atm. |
| 19:14.02 | ali1234 | yeah, so, your uae4all doesn't work, it just instantly crashes out |
| 19:14.51 | pupnik | wasn't built for n900 |
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| 19:17.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | excuses excuses |
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| 19:17.11 | RST38h | pupnik: I have not seen the source yet, have to take a look |
| 19:17.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | honestly, you'd think these devs worked for free in their space time or something |
| 19:17.38 | RST38h | pupnik: also, doing to work right now, will probably finish it by 23:00 local |
| 19:18.43 | pupnik | k cheers! -- not many bbc micro fans apparently :/ |
| 19:18.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Woo Maemo SDK installed |
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| 19:20.53 | ali1234 | hey, so, with sound emulation turned off, e-uae runs at 100% A500 speed on n900 |
| 19:21.06 | ali1234 | now i just need to figure out why it wont let me turn sound on... |
| 19:21.31 | lcuk | because paula isnt there :P |
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| 19:21.53 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ducks |
| 19:22.17 | ali1234 | it;s only using about 70% CPU too. |
| 19:23.03 | ali1234 | which means it should run full speed even with pulse overhead :) |
| 19:25.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Call me back when someone's invented a key for ScummVM that skips the bloody intro in Simon 2 |
| 19:26.44 | GAN900 | VDVsx, ping? |
| 19:26.57 | VDVsx | GAN900, pong |
| 19:27.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | GAN900, Request Timed Out |
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| 19:27.15 | ali1234 | doesn't it have a "fast forward" mode? |
| 19:27.23 | ali1234 | maybe i'm thinking of something else |
| 19:27.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | VCR? |
| 19:28.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, I'm eating healthy.... a plate of fried things and not one of them is bacon |
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| 19:30.52 | ali1234 | well, so much for that plan. after enabling sound, pulse uses 25% and hildon-status-menu uses 7% CPU |
| 19:31.29 | cehteh | mhm easter egg. .. doubleklick on the power button == lock device |
| 19:32.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Woo, scratchbox is... uh... booting? |
| 19:34.08 | pupnik | that is why we have to either fix libSDL audio for alsa, or write alsa-backend for each sdl app |
| 19:34.43 | pupnik | 'we'. meaning i failed. |
| 19:34.47 | pupnik | so far |
| 19:34.49 | Milo- | realised a serious flaw in n900's design. it has no hole for hand strap (so you can shake it without dropping it accidentally) |
| 19:35.07 | cehteh | eh it has |
| 19:35.11 | simula_ | it does |
| 19:35.16 | lcuk | Milo-, you fail to look carefully (like me in some things) |
| 19:35.19 | cehteh | you didnt rtfm |
| 19:35.26 | Milo- | oh, where is it? :o |
| 19:35.26 | GAN900 | Milo-, does too. |
| 19:35.31 | lcuk | its got a lanyard pin/hole near the usb |
| 19:35.35 | GAN900 | Bottom left |
| 19:35.43 | cehteh | is a handstrap part of the box? there was none in my box |
| 19:35.57 | Milo- | oh then it's on the wrong side :P |
| 19:36.03 | Milo- | phone for lefties :C |
| 19:36.08 | kevloral | cehteh: none in mine either |
| 19:36.09 | pupnik | what do i need to purchase to stick in that hole and get a strap? |
| 19:36.20 | lcuk | Milo-, i wish |
| 19:36.47 | GAN900 | pup |
| 19:36.47 | pupnik | ah found it |
| 19:36.50 | pupnik | sorry |
| 19:36.52 | GAN900 | pupnik, a Wiimote |
| 19:37.13 | pupnik | http://www.amazon.de/Hama-00091813-J-Straps-Lanyard-Face/dp/B001E77PSS/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1261596999&sr=8-5 |
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| 19:37.38 | pupnik | Where is the other side of the hole GAN900 |
| 19:37.49 | pupnik | or is that a clicking pipn mechanism? |
| 19:37.53 | pupnik | pin |
| 19:38.02 | Milo- | I opened the back of the phone |
| 19:38.07 | Milo- | it's just an empty hole |
| 19:38.11 | GAN900 | pupnik, you stick a loop through the hole and set it over the post inside |
| 19:38.22 | Milo- | ahh |
| 19:38.23 | Milo- | it's there |
| 19:38.24 | Milo- | found it |
| 19:38.38 | pupnik | achaa ty |
| 19:39.38 | Milo- | since my eyes are clearnoy not working for this job |
| 19:39.49 | Milo- | can anyone see where I put my e71's strap? :c |
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| 19:39.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Gief lanyard plz |
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| 19:41.55 | arachnist | Milo-: under the bed |
| 19:42.00 | madrazr | Hello is there any way to speed up the process of accepting the invitation to upload packages to extra-devel repo like asking an admin here on IRC or something? |
| 19:42.03 | Milo- | found it, wasn't under the bed |
| 19:42.15 | Milo- | it was on the floor, where I had left it like a year ago |
| 19:42.57 | arachnist | "on the floor, where I had left it like a year ago" <| that scared me, kind of |
| 19:43.43 | pupnik | Lol $20 for a strap + lanyard from oakley |
| 19:44.13 | Milo- | I have a habbit of reeling such straps around my finger until I slip and then they fly away |
| 19:44.20 | Milo- | and place somewhere where I can't be bothered to go |
| 19:44.40 | pupnik | madrazr: what are you uploading? |
| 19:44.42 | Milo- | for example my memory stick, it has a strapstring |
| 19:45.06 | madrazr | pupnik: few python packages like bpython etc which are not there in the repo as far as I see |
| 19:45.08 | Milo- | so far it has once hit the light bulb (broke the glass :( ) |
| 19:45.15 | Milo- | and it has hit the wall gazillion times |
| 19:45.22 | pupnik | ty madrazr very nice |
| 19:46.07 | madrazr | pupnik: whats is the easiest way to check if the package has already been ported or is in some porting process? (I am mostly for python related stuff :P ) |
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| 19:48.00 | pupnik | dunno, i google and browse the repos |
| 19:48.41 | madrazr | pupnik: Oh Ok |
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| 19:49.23 | pupnik | please stick with it. a lot of effort gets wasted by ppl building local packages |
| 19:49.25 | frals | god brainstorm is slow ;< |
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| 19:49.36 | madrazr | pupnik: I am sorry if I am bugging you, is there any way to speed up invitation acceptance process? |
| 19:49.44 | madrazr | pupnik: sure |
| 19:49.54 | Milo- | Nokia doesn't want to add any new features, which is why the page is so slow |
| 19:50.25 | frals | ;) |
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| 19:52.42 | baraujo | madrazr, I got my invitation accepted in one day, so it should not be long before yours arrive |
| 19:52.56 | madrazr | baraujo: Oh cool! |
| 19:53.11 | madrazr | baraujo: thanks for that info, I can wait for one day, not a big deal :) |
| 19:53.30 | GAN900 | madrazr, X-Fade handles invites and it is nearly Christmas. ;) |
| 19:53.35 | baraujo | madrazr, but then again, with the holidays and all, maybe it can take a little more time :) |
| 19:54.33 | madrazr | GAN900: baraujo: heh Ok, NP |
| 19:54.56 | Milo- | is qmake good for Maemo5 Qt-code? |
| 19:55.15 | Milo- | I mean can you use it in scratchbox? |
| 19:55.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, just got to learn what the hell I'm supposed to do with scratchbox now |
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| 19:59.30 | AakashPatel | Milo-: yes |
| 19:59.31 | bleader | is there a trick to copy/paste a phone number ? would be nice to search something online and be able to paste the phone number directly |
| 20:00.20 | Milo- | bleader hilight it and ctrl+c? |
| 20:00.51 | bleader | on n900 ? I mean being able to paste it to the phone application to call directly |
| 20:01.07 | bleader | copy works, but theres on way to get the buffer back in the application it seems |
| 20:01.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Okay, what do I type into scratchbox to port Unreal Tournament? :D |
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| 20:01.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | bleader: ctrl+v ? |
| 20:02.02 | Milo- | bleader ctrl+v works |
| 20:02.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Would be even nicer if the browser detected phone numbers and hyperlinked them, like a certain other mobile device |
| 20:02.30 | ShadowJK | I guess you first learn opengl and then opengl es... |
| 20:02.33 | DarwinSurvivor | I need help connecting to the n810's internal gps over the network (gpsd port 2947) |
| 20:02.33 | bleader | oh damn, so used to the linux way I didn't even thought of ctrl+c / ctrl+v |
| 20:02.39 | bleader | sorry for my stupidity |
| 20:02.51 | GAN900 | UT isn't open source |
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| 20:02.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | bleader: read the shortcuts guide, it's awesome |
| 20:03.06 | Milo- | bleader which is weird, because linux supports ctrl+c/v ._· |
| 20:03.20 | ShadowJK | Milo: not really |
| 20:03.41 | Milo- | well, the gui-layers do |
| 20:04.15 | ShadowJK | kde and gnome might, and the multiple clipboards thing makes it the more confusing :) |
| 20:04.27 | Milo- | does not |
| 20:04.27 | bleader | Milo-: never used it in any linux application select/middle-click or shitf+ins |
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| 20:04.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | i love the fact that this sandbox Maemo development environment is sandboxed in a VM required to run it on OSX in the first place |
| 20:04.46 | Milo- | bleader true, but they still work |
| 20:04.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | What's a double sandbox? A kitty litter? |
| 20:05.05 | ShadowJK | shift-ins is equivalent to ctrl-c on windows, dunno about kde/gnome |
| 20:05.05 | bleader | Milo-: yep, just didn't think of it at all |
| 20:05.09 | bleader | thanks anyway |
| 20:05.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Folks, join ze #n900 |
| 20:05.43 | Milo- | bleader it's definitely a biggie when you occasionally have to use windows-machines at school or work and none of the gui-enchanchements work :D |
| 20:05.49 | ali1234 | hmm |
| 20:05.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Chatting in #maemo about maemo would be nice for a change |
| 20:05.54 | ShadowJK | I have linux computer and run sdk in the ubuntu vm on it... |
| 20:05.59 | ali1234 | you know what would be good? |
| 20:06.16 | ShadowJK | cookies? |
| 20:06.17 | ali1234 | a metapackage that removes all those dumb "installers" and then enables all the extras repos |
| 20:06.27 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 20:06.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ali1234: Hahaha |
| 20:06.34 | bleader | ShadowJK: I like the way you think |
| 20:06.44 | ali1234 | because doing all that crap everytime i have to reflash is getting annoying |
| 20:06.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ali1234: those installers are a bit like the AOL trials of the mobile world |
| 20:06.52 | ali1234 | yes i know |
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| 20:07.01 | Milo- | which installers? ._· |
| 20:07.02 | ali1234 | which is why a metapackage to remove them would be nice |
| 20:07.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yay, phones with crapware! |
| 20:07.09 | ShadowJK | I guess you still can't remove the games without breaking stuff? |
| 20:07.18 | ali1234 | "facebook installer" "amazon installer" "foreca installer" etc etc |
| 20:07.27 | Milo- | ali1234 ah those |
| 20:07.32 | Milo- | removed them as well |
| 20:07.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'll admit to running facebook installer, did it just put a facebook shortcut on my sodding desktop? |
| 20:07.41 | ali1234 | yeah i've removed them about 10 times now |
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| 20:07.50 | ali1234 | Gadgetoid pretty much yes |
| 20:07.52 | Milo- | Gadgetoid_mbp oh speaking of crapware. Apple tries to force adverting in computers and embedded devices |
| 20:07.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | *yay* |
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| 20:08.02 | ali1234 | Gadgetoid and you can install it thru app manager anyway |
| 20:08.05 | Milo- | all suddenly a fullscreen non-closable ad comes to your screeeen |
| 20:08.08 | Milo- | and you're screwed :P |
| 20:08.08 | ShadowJK | no there was a facebook shortcut there already |
| 20:08.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Milo-: the day that happens, I uninstall OSX and install Ubuntu |
| 20:08.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But I'll still buy Macs |
| 20:08.38 | ShadowJK | running the facebook installer just results in making a widget avaiable that halves your batterylife |
| 20:08.40 | Milo- | Gadgetoid_mbp Jobs wants that to be enforced in _all_ operating systems 8D |
| 20:08.44 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: In certain circumstances, I might accept that for shiny hardware. |
| 20:08.53 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: No, it's a patent. |
| 20:08.53 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Milo-: Best of luck to him |
| 20:08.55 | ali1234 | ok chaps i'm going to make that metapackage |
| 20:09.07 | Milo- | SpeedEvil at first |
| 20:09.10 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: This doesn't mean that it's something they're going to actualy use. |
| 20:09.14 | Milo- | then he will conquer the world with it |
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| 20:09.20 | Milo- | and make everyone's life living hell |
| 20:09.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ali1234: you will be loved by all |
| 20:09.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ali1234: but wont you need to install one of the extra repos in order to get that meta package in the first place? |
| 20:09.56 | tcarl|work | yaay. off of att. |
| 20:10.00 | Milo- | if that day comes, jobs better have a pretty good life guard next to him at all times, because pissed people will be pisse |
| 20:10.03 | Milo- | d |
| 20:10.03 | tcarl|work | TMobile ++ :) |
| 20:10.04 | ali1234 | no, i'll copy it on my /opt then flashing won't delete it |
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| 20:10.08 | ali1234 | and just install it with dpkg -i |
| 20:10.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hoah! |
| 20:10.38 | ali1234 | i'll probably need to install rootsh for that though |
| 20:10.49 | ali1234 | i could make a .install |
| 20:10.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm sure you can install without root? |
| 20:11.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Either that, or I am stupid |
| 20:11.24 | ali1234 | you can but you cant use dpkg |
| 20:11.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ah yes, requires superuser |
| 20:11.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Fail =/ |
| 20:12.05 | Milo- | user to /etc/sudoers |
| 20:12.17 | ali1234 | to be honest there is so much stuff that you have to do after reflashing it would probably be easier to respin the image |
| 20:12.34 | tcarl|work | I can't get my N900 to flash, to enable RD mode. |
| 20:12.45 | tcarl|work | I turn off the phone, start up the flasher, then plug it in. |
| 20:12.54 | tcarl|work | The flasher never finds the N900.... any ideas? |
| 20:13.26 | pupnik | i'm not sure anybody should enable rd mode |
| 20:13.30 | tcarl|work | it just goes into mass storage mode, and the flasher never finds. |
| 20:13.48 | tcarl|work | I want root, to install vnc, flac, etc. |
| 20:13.49 | ali1234 | haha |
| 20:13.56 | ali1234 | so you;re not turning it off, you're locking it |
| 20:14.02 | DarwinSurvivor | does the n810 have any firewalls other than iptables? |
| 20:14.04 | tcarl|work | no, I'm turning it off. |
| 20:14.06 | ali1234 | and you don't need rd mode to do any of those things |
| 20:14.19 | tcarl|work | I want RD mode for ssh root access also. |
| 20:14.20 | Milo- | rd-mode ? |
| 20:14.27 | tcarl|work | R&D mode. |
| 20:14.28 | ali1234 | you don't need rd mode for that either |
| 20:14.28 | tcarl|work | yeah. |
| 20:14.35 | Milo- | research and development? |
| 20:14.46 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Er.... just install the root package |
| 20:14.48 | tcarl|work | I may not need any of those things, but I'd like to enable it anyway. |
| 20:14.54 | tcarl|work | how do I install that, without root? |
| 20:15.00 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Using the app manager... |
| 20:15.05 | ali1234 | tcarl|work: install it from app manager |
| 20:15.05 | Milo- | tcarl|work rootsh -package |
| 20:15.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You never owned an n8x0 I guess? |
| 20:15.21 | tcarl|work | nope. |
| 20:15.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ah, then you're in for a surprise |
| 20:15.40 | tcarl|work | I'd also like to do some kernel recompilation, possibly. |
| 20:15.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Unlike a shitty OS made by google which I shall not name, the N900 doesn't need to be rooted |
| 20:16.00 | ali1234 | "some" kernel recompilation? |
| 20:16.07 | tcarl|work | yep. |
| 20:16.10 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah just recompile half of it... |
| 20:16.12 | ali1234 | anyway, you don't even need rd mode for THAT |
| 20:16.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | tcarl|work: welcome to maemo, where root is just a package away |
| 20:16.59 | tcarl|work | the app manager doesn't have the root install. |
| 20:17.10 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Enable the extras repo |
| 20:17.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Or is it in devel? |
| 20:17.21 | DarwinSurvivor | i can't connect to port 2947 remotely unless i use an ssh port forward, but iptables -L shows nothing being blocked. ideas? |
| 20:17.37 | tcarl|work | umm. I think you need root access to change sources.lst though. |
| 20:17.40 | Gadgetoid_mbp | tcarl|work: hit the title in app manager, and hit `"application catalogues" |
| 20:17.44 | tcarl|work | so, what the hell? |
| 20:18.11 | ali1234 | !root |
| 20:18.11 | tcarl|work | oh, Application manager is just a front end for apt. |
| 20:18.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You've been using Android too much? |
| 20:18.17 | Stskeeps | DarwinSurvivor: its called a ip-specific bind |
| 20:18.17 | ali1234 | ~root |
| 20:18.18 | infobot | root is, like, not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 20:18.23 | Stskeeps | for localhost |
| 20:18.43 | DarwinSurvivor | Stskeeps: any way to get around it, other than using ssh -L ? |
| 20:18.55 | Stskeeps | edit gpsd conf? |
| 20:18.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You can add all the most horribly destructive of device crippling repos via Application Manager, it's wonderful! |
| 20:19.00 | ali1234 | infobot: root is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 20:19.01 | infobot | ACTION uses a keylogger to pwnz all is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access 's boxen. |
| 20:19.42 | ali1234 | NOT helpful |
| 20:20.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 20:20.53 | wazd | http://twitpic.com/t33mz witter redesigned :) |
| 20:21.02 | Milo- | just install rootsh package |
| 20:21.09 | Milo- | open terminal and write 'root' |
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| 20:22.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | sudo gainroot ? |
| 20:22.49 | Milo- | with rootsh package it's just 'root' |
| 20:22.54 | Milo- | command's name is 'root' |
| 20:23.05 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Say's sudo gainroot here, has it been updated? |
| 20:23.16 | Milo- | no idea, but that's what works. |
| 20:23.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Weird, outdated description perhaps |
| 20:23.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah but sudo gainroot *without* rootsh also is helpful ;-P |
| 20:23.33 | Milo- | by default I wasn't in /etc/sudoers |
| 20:23.49 | DarwinSurvivor | Stskeeps: gpsd.conf doesn't seem to exist... |
| 20:24.14 | Milo- | -sh: gainroot: not found |
| 20:24.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | even the updated rootsh package says "enable root acess with sudo gainroot" |
| 20:25.08 | Milo- | 'root' is still faster to write |
| 20:25.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | too right Milo- |
| 20:25.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | All those wasted keypresses... *sigh* |
| 20:26.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | yup, works for me in addition to sudo gainroot... who do I sue for the wasted time? |
| 20:27.21 | Gadgetoid_mbp | rooted your shiznit yet tcarl|work? |
| 20:27.22 | Milo- | geez |
| 20:27.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | yourself? nobody forced you to do it |
| 20:27.32 | Milo- | ran: 'apt-get install wget' |
| 20:27.36 | tcarl|work | wowo. I sooo love my N900. |
| 20:27.42 | Milo- | and it won't do a thing |
| 20:27.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Like I said, in far too many words, the Motorola Droid sucks balls compared to the N900 |
| 20:27.55 | tcarl|work | Gadgetoid_mbp: Got rootsh installed, but I'd rather have enable rd-mode :( |
| 20:27.58 | Milo- | appareently /usr/libexec/apt-worker decided that it is a good day to update apt |
| 20:28.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | tcarl|work: why bother..? |
| 20:28.25 | tcarl|work | no point now, really, after rootsh |
| 20:28.31 | Milo- | Note: As R&D mode has other side effects beyond simply enabling root access (including several that may negatively impact battery life), it is not the recommended method for gaining root access. Use rootsh instead. |
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| 20:29.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: nobody forced that crazy woman to spill hot coffee on her lap, but she got a payoff! I want my share! |
| 20:29.29 | Gadgetoid_mbp | So, tcarl|work, did you come from Android? |
| 20:29.45 | Milo- | or iPhone? |
| 20:29.58 | Gadgetoid_mbp | iPhone isn't THAT hard to root! but you have a point there |
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| 20:30.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | spills some hot coffe on Gadgetoid_mbp's lap. now that's your share |
| 20:30.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Can't wait to get my iPhone back, every time an iPhone user asks me why I have an N900 I can just say "oh I've got an iPhone too" |
| 20:30.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: sounds dirty! |
| 20:31.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | you asked for it :-P |
| 20:31.51 | tcarl|work | I'll keep my iphone, just get a sim for internet only. |
| 20:32.25 | tcarl|work | hrmm. What repository has x11vnc? (vnc server) |
| 20:32.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Err |
| 20:32.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Probably extras-devel, if I'm pulling a repo name out of my behind |
| 20:32.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | As it's still a little flaky |
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| 20:33.42 | tcarl|work | Can you easily turn on a numerical battery %? |
| 20:34.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | tcarl|work: ##n900 |
| 20:34.07 | tcarl|work | thanks |
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| 20:36.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | x11vnc 0.9.3-maemo7 extras-devel |
| 20:38.44 | Milo- | ae |
| 20:38.45 | Milo- | aw |
| 20:38.51 | Milo- | gpe-sudoku isn't optified |
| 20:39.06 | Milo- | isn't that considered a bug? |
| 20:39.18 | Milo- | though, it's from -devel |
| 20:39.26 | hardaker | it still should be |
| 20:39.53 | RST38h | http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/cannibal_bee/dem3.jpg |
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| 20:41.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless: Ctrl+Enter!!! |
| 20:41.19 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 20:41.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Switches to full screen and back in XChat (and possibly other quick 'n' dirty ports), but doesn't do shiznit in any standard Maemo 5 apps |
| 20:42.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's like the N900 fullscreen button we never had, and seems threatened with extinction |
| 20:42.21 | RST38h | mmm? |
| 20:43.11 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm guessing there's a reason it's not used in MicroB |
| 20:43.13 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 20:43.17 | SpeedEvil | ctrl-enter does nothing on fbreader, the completely undocumented - ctrl-bs does |
| 20:43.32 | timeless_mbp | ctrl-enter is useful in sms and friends |
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| 20:44.20 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: ctrl-bs? isn't that documented as returning to the app switcher |
| 20:44.20 | RST38h | Speed: Ctrl-Enter switches full screen in FBReader |
| 20:44.23 | timeless_mbp | having a keystroke for full screen is mostly a waste of a keybinding |
| 20:44.39 | RST38h | Speed: I know because I have bound it |
| 20:44.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Give me the option to bind it in the browser and I would.. that little fullscreen overlay annoys me |
| 20:45.23 | timeless_mbp | forget it. |
| 20:45.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | FBReader has been updated with a fullscreen button, too, but still responds to Ctrl+Enter... *wubb* |
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| 20:46.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And the volume rocker finally works for pagination... I feel sorry for the N900 |
| 20:46.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Err.. N810 :D |
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| 20:47.06 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Oh no it doesn't. At least not for the initial help screen |
| 20:47.08 | RST38h | feels sorry for them all |
| 20:47.17 | RST38h | Ah the horror, the suffering |
| 20:47.18 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: maybe I have an old version |
| 20:47.20 | RST38h | starts weeping |
| 20:47.26 | RST38h | Speed: UPDATE. |
| 20:47.28 | Khertan | Help : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.2-3/ : Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php on line 457 |
| 20:48.08 | ali1234 | Khertan: it just means the servers are overloaded like always |
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| 20:51.39 | samd | e |
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| 20:54.05 | Khertan | ali1234 : but it s also means that i ll be not be able to access to it until i upload a new package version as now the error is cached |
| 20:55.16 | ali1234 | so complain to whoever is running your http proxy... |
| 20:56.24 | Khertan | ? |
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| 20:57.11 | Khertan | i didn t use any proxy |
| 20:57.33 | ali1234 | er... clear your browser cache then? |
| 20:59.22 | Khertan | ali1234 it s not my cache but the one use on maemo.org/packages |
| 20:59.58 | ali1234 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.2-3/ <- this one, which works fine? |
| 21:02.19 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Argh - my python is broken again. Meh. |
| 21:02.39 | Khertan | ali1234: yep works fine now ... i m trying to access it since 30min |
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| 21:05.06 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to uninstall _everything_ depending on or mentioning python in one fell swoop? |
| 21:06.26 | timeless_mbp | well |
| 21:06.26 | Shadikka | apt-get remove python if it's a package? |
| 21:06.30 | timeless_mbp | if you try to remove python |
| 21:06.35 | timeless_mbp | all dependencies should be removed |
| 21:06.38 | timeless_mbp | they aren't allowed to stick around |
| 21:06.46 | Shadikka | Unless you really really want to. |
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| 21:09.52 | SpeedEvil | odd. apt-get remover gpodder - and it downloads python-gth |
| 21:09.57 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 21:10.51 | SpeedEvil | and now apt-get remove python seems to do something |
| 21:11.26 | mfinkle | anyone know how to get the "friendly" name of an application using its X-Osso_Service name? |
| 21:11.40 | mfinkle | is there a dbus way to do it |
| 21:15.24 | SpeedEvil | Ok - this seems majorly screwed up - essentially any apt-get * command spews tons of errors. |
| 21:15.31 | SpeedEvil | and refuses to do what I ask. |
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| 21:29.53 | SpeedEvil | What keyword should I be searching for to find a flashing tool? |
| 21:30.07 | SpeedEvil | (linux) |
| 21:30.31 | microlith | for the N900? |
| 21:30.36 | cehteh | flasher :P |
| 21:30.49 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:31.06 | SpeedEvil | I don't understand any of the apt-* errors |
| 21:31.18 | SpeedEvil | and trying to remove stuff isn't working |
| 21:35.39 | jebba | ~flasher |
| 21:35.40 | infobot | it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 21:35.55 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 21:36.13 | SpeedEvil | Thanks - my internet is a bit broken ATM |
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| 21:38.06 | cehteh | anyone ever tried to rip out the battery while the charger is plugged? .. will it continue on charger power? |
| 21:38.09 | Slasheri | has anyone tried to convert the MyDocs from fat to ext3? |
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| 21:38.43 | cehteh | not yet |
| 21:39.00 | cehteh | will try new kernel ext4 and dmcrypt someday |
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| 21:45.22 | flux | hmph, emacs is almost great, but without escape (and the remapping suggested by the guy is used already) it is a pain |
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| 21:46.51 | Milhouse | hmmm... so testing_l or testing_c? |
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| 21:47.29 | Milhouse | Hi GAN - testing_l or testing_c? what's this "legacy device" business, any idea? |
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| 21:51.12 | xeviox | I've installed the Qt4 technical preview 2 in scratchbox |
| 21:51.18 | MaceG1 | How do you make aliases with nickserv? |
| 21:51.55 | xeviox | MaceG1: change your nick with /nick NewNick, then add it to your registered with /nickserv group |
| 21:52.47 | MaceG1 | Well. I want to use this one |
| 21:52.47 | xeviox | now I want to install Qt Creator, do I have to install it in scratchbox or in my ubuntu?? |
| 21:53.07 | xeviox | MaceG1: after adding the alias you can switch back with /nick MaceG1 |
| 21:53.12 | Milo- | grr, stupid maemo.org/packages |
| 21:53.21 | Milo- | I need to report flipclock's bad behaviour |
| 21:53.24 | Milo- | but it won't load |
| 21:53.28 | MaceG1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.10 | xeviox | where do I have to install Qt Creator to use it for maemo development? |
| 21:54.20 | xeviox | scratchbox or host? |
| 21:54.47 | Milo- | host |
| 21:55.01 | xeviox | k thanks |
| 21:55.16 | xeviox | should I use the download from qt.nokia.com or use the apt manager? |
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| 21:55.43 | Jaffa | xeviox: Qt Creator woould typically be in host; however I'm not aware of the Maemo support being fully rolled out and available. |
| 21:55.47 | Jaffa | (yet) |
| 21:55.51 | AakashPatel | Does SSL work on Qt in the N900? |
| 21:56.17 | xeviox | Jaffa: there is a technical preview, I will use that one :D |
| 21:56.27 | melmoth | i never used it, but is qt creator not suppose to generate c++ code, so you theooretically do not care if it s instaled or not where you compile the application ? |
| 21:56.35 | Jaffa | xeviox: Does it mention Maemo profiles? The Qt Creator preview I installed didn't have muchin the way of docs |
| 21:57.05 | melmoth | or may be am i mixing qt designer with qt creator ? |
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| 21:57.29 | xeviox | Jaffa: good question, I just downloaded it few seconds ago, but look here: http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-for-maemo-developers |
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| 21:58.07 | xeviox | melmoth: Designer is just a visible Designer for UIs, Creator is the IDE from "qt" |
| 21:58.45 | melmoth | ok, i was mixing the two then :) |
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| 21:59.27 | Milo- | how should I go around contacting the devel of certain package, if the maemo.org/packages fails to load that page? |
| 22:00.27 | xeviox | as the synaptic manager just offer Creator 1.2.x I will use the download from qt.nokia.com, anything I should take special care? |
| 22:00.35 | Milo- | uh oh, I have a virus on my phone |
| 22:00.37 | Jaffa | Milo-: If maemo.org/packages is broken, contact X-Fade; then you can contact the developer ;-) |
| 22:00.41 | Milo- | called 'foreca installer' |
| 22:00.54 | Milo- | there we go, got rid of that virus nice and easily |
| 22:01.02 | Jaffa | Milo-: Oh, that's provided by a Nokia business partner, Foreca :) |
| 22:01.17 | xeviox | Milo-: virus??? on the n900 ? |
| 22:01.20 | Jaffa | xeviox: I think I just ran the installer on Ubuntu without problems; but only briefly played with it. |
| 22:01.47 | Milo- | xeviox yes. *-installer == virus |
| 22:02.04 | Jaffa | xeviox: To clarify, Milo- is being facetious :) |
| 22:02.16 | Milo- | 22:06:47 Gadgetoid_mbp >> ali1234: those installers are a bit like the AOL trials of the mobile world |
| 22:02.30 | Milo- | 22:06:17 ali1234 >> a metapackage that removes all those dumb "installers" and then enables all the extras repos |
| 22:02.34 | Milo- | slightly in wrong order |
| 22:02.38 | Milo- | but you get the picture :( |
| 22:02.52 | ali1234 | yeah, there's a chicken-egg problem there unfortunately |
| 22:03.01 | ali1234 | unless said package could be got into extras |
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| 22:04.31 | Milo- | Jaffa is X-Fade in charge of maemo.org/packages? |
| 22:05.06 | Jaffa | Milo-: yup |
| 22:05.35 | Milo- | okay, but I don't think he will change its location to a real server :P |
| 22:05.38 | Milo- | which is the issue at hand. |
| 22:05.55 | Jaffa | That is in hand ;-) |
| 22:06.17 | Milo- | I know, I was stunned how I wrote 'at' |
| 22:06.18 | Proteous | worth two in the bush I always say |
| 22:07.05 | Jaffa | Milo-: I (for once) wasn't trying to be pedantic: servers are being upgraded atm |
| 22:07.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Crapware on phones, whatever next |
| 22:07.49 | xeviox | hmm now I downloaded the binary for linux and just got a .bin file, what should I do with it?? (sorry I'm not that experienced with linux :( ) |
| 22:08.33 | melmoth | it s most probably an auto install script thingy. chmod +x foo.bin; ./foo.bin |
| 22:09.24 | Jaffa | xeviox: I think melmoth's right; I believe there are instructions somehwere |
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| 22:11.46 | xeviox | k I'll try :D |
| 22:11.47 | xeviox | thank you |
| 22:11.57 | AakashPatel | Is anyone here good with Qt C++? |
| 22:12.17 | xeviox | which is the path that is shared from scratchbox? (Where I have to store the files generated by the IDE) |
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| 22:15.21 | xeviox | melmoth: wow that did the trick, thank you :D |
| 22:15.23 | xeviox | very cool |
| 22:15.37 | xeviox | I begin to really love linux :D |
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| 22:16.22 | xeviox | what is the default path apps are installed on linux? (like Program Files on windows) |
| 22:17.01 | melmoth | there is no such thing. but typical location are /bin and /usr/bin |
| 22:17.52 | xeviox | thank you |
| 22:18.12 | xeviox | then I'll need /usr/bin as I didn't start it with sudo, right? |
| 22:18.49 | melmoth | you will need root privilege to install thing in /usr/bin |
| 22:19.04 | melmoth | within scratchbox, use fakeroot instead of sudo |
| 22:19.22 | xeviox | k |
| 22:19.36 | xeviox | so what's the difference between /bin and /usr/bin? |
| 22:20.27 | xeviox | running the installer with sudo it's default path is /opt/... |
| 22:20.28 | xeviox | ?!? I'm confused ^ |
| 22:20.28 | xeviox | ^^ |
| 22:20.28 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.34 | SpeedEvil | And /sbin |
| 22:20.59 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.09 | matan | which explains why /usr can't all be in /opt. |
| 22:21.10 | Shadikka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure |
| 22:21.13 | Shadikka | That might help. :) |
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| 22:23.24 | Disease | hello ! |
| 22:23.37 | Disease | are there french users here plz ? |
| 22:24.12 | SpeedEvil | Well - at least one. |
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| 22:24.34 | xeviox | so following some tips on the net I can install it in /bin (but shouldn't because it's not delivered with the distri) same for /usr/bin or in /opt (optional software) or in /usr/local/bin (tip from the internet) |
| 22:24.42 | xeviox | so, which should I use ?? ^^ |
| 22:24.47 | xeviox | thank you all for the help |
| 22:25.15 | xeviox | I know how annoying it could be to get all the newby questions .. |
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| 22:26.16 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - what are you doing again? |
| 22:26.35 | xeviox | SpeedEvil: I try to install the Qt Creator on the host system |
| 22:26.50 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 22:27.00 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - never played with that. |
| 22:27.14 | xeviox | now I'm confused in which directory I should install the binaries .. |
| 22:27.15 | SpeedEvil | look for a install fil, or instructions where you downloaded it |
| 22:27.24 | SpeedEvil | is there one binary, or many? |
| 22:27.32 | xeviox | I have an installer, but it asks me where to put the binaries |
| 22:27.38 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:27.39 | fdv | uhm. can anybody tell me where to start with python on n900? Is there a hildon python module or are there other libs? Is there some updated introductory docs somewhere? |
| 22:27.50 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.51 | SpeedEvil | e |
| 22:28.10 | SpeedEvil | This is for local binaries that are not installed by the system |
| 22:28.17 | xeviox | SpeedEvil: so I should not use the installers default /opt ? |
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| 22:28.49 | SpeedEvil | leave it at default |
| 22:28.53 | SpeedEvil | probably not a bad plan |
| 22:28.57 | xeviox | k ^^ |
| 22:29.13 | xeviox | windows makes that one easier lol |
| 22:29.26 | melmoth | fdv if you have never done any python before, start with the official python tutorial |
| 22:29.43 | Shadikka | Python <3 |
| 22:30.04 | xeviox | what is the directory that is shared between the host and scratchbox? |
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| 22:31.05 | jebba | hey can someone run this in the terminal and paste me the outputs? It just gets your xterm key settings: |
| 22:31.05 | jebba | gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/keys |
| 22:31.05 | jebba | gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels |
| 22:31.11 | melmoth | hmmm, /scratchbox/user/home/user if i remember correctly |
| 22:31.25 | xeviox | ah cool thanks |
| 22:31.47 | fdv | melmoth: I've done my share of python, I'm just curious which libraries are the best to start with on maemo 5. I've just set up scratchbox and there doesn't seem to be a python-hildon package in the default set of repos at least |
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| 22:31.53 | melmoth | ~ $ gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/keys |
| 22:31.54 | melmoth | [Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down] |
| 22:31.55 | melmoth | ~ $ gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels |
| 22:31.55 | melmoth | [Tab,Esc,PgUp,PgDn] |
| 22:31.55 | melmoth | ~ $ |
| 22:31.56 | infobot | i heard $ is a dollar sign |
| 22:32.04 | fdv | melmoth: gui libs, that is |
| 22:32.27 | fdv | hildon is a set of gtk extensions, right? |
| 22:32.37 | jebba | cool, thx melmoth :) |
| 22:33.02 | xeviox | as you guys don't use the Qt Creator, which IDEs do you use for development? |
| 22:33.06 | melmoth | fdv http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Developing_Python_Applications_for_Maemo |
| 22:33.13 | fdv | melmoth: great, thanks |
| 22:33.13 | melmoth | should not be that much different in maemo5 |
| 22:33.30 | Shadikka | I didn't even know of such an article. |
| 22:33.36 | Shadikka | is ashamed. |
| 22:33.38 | melmoth | but they are some slight difference in some gtk function prototype |
| 22:33.54 | fdv | well, there is always progress ;) |
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| 22:35.00 | fdv | saw that page, it's just hard to tell what's the latest and greatest |
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| 22:35.23 | melmoth | it s not the latest, but the general idea is there |
| 22:35.49 | melmoth | if you used to use glade, you ll have to do a reparent trick for the main window to have it hildonised |
| 22:36.05 | melmoth | i think the following article mention the issue: http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/developing-python-for-maemo-5/ |
| 22:36.38 | fdv | ok, thanks. I've rarely used glade, though, never written that many GUIs :) |
| 22:36.41 | melmoth | but basically, what you have is a usual pygtk environment, plus some maemo specific thingy such as hildon, osso, libconic ... |
| 22:36.59 | fdv | melmoth: python2.5-sdk doesn't seem to exist, though |
| 22:38.03 | fdv | are they in some other repo? |
| 22:39.03 | Milhouse | No additional portrait functionality in 51-1 then, just bug fixes? |
| 22:39.32 | Arkenoi | are there any outliners/mind mapping programs being ported? |
| 22:39.37 | melmoth | fdv apt-cache search python |grep gtk should give you available package |
| 22:40.05 | melmoth | the above article was written for maemo4, the package list may have changed in fremantle |
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| 22:40.55 | fdv | it appears to have. I'll try python2.5-gtk-dev |
| 22:40.59 | fdv | gtk2, that is |
| 22:41.45 | fdv | hm. no hildon there either. apt-cache search python.*hildon draws a blank |
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| 22:43.06 | melmoth | just install any (hildonised) pygtk app in your sdk with apt-get, you ll have the lib. |
| 22:43.28 | fdv | :) |
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| 22:48.11 | fdv | any suggestions, btw? I'm really new to maemo |
| 22:48.43 | grondilu | IP via bluetooth : quelqu'un a réussi ? |
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| 22:49.21 | grondilu | sorry : IP via bluetooth : has comeone actually succeeded ? |
| 22:49.58 | grondilu | IP via bluetooth : has anyone actually succeeded ? |
| 22:52.39 | Lantizia | Anyone know if there is a maximum size to the micro SD the N900 can handle? |
| 22:53.11 | grondilu | 16Go I think |
| 22:53.52 | Arkenoi | more like 32 |
| 22:54.14 | Arkenoi | there was one in "hackerbox" edition, right? |
| 22:55.17 | grondilu | I doubt it was 32Go |
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| 22:56.11 | SpeedEvil | It will be at least several terabytes with SDXC - which is electrically compatible |
| 22:56.36 | SpeedEvil | it will need new protocol drivers, and if you want to maintain compatibility a new stupid MS FS. |
| 22:56.47 | grondilu | several terabytes ?? |
| 22:56.59 | SpeedEvil | Not now of course |
| 22:57.14 | SpeedEvil | the SDXC standard goes up to a few T IIRC |
| 22:58.03 | grondilu | It won't be possible to address such large amount of memory, will it ? |
| 22:58.07 | ml-N900 | 2TB |
| 22:59.19 | SpeedEvil | grondilu: yes, it's possible. |
| 22:59.28 | SpeedEvil | grondilu: it's not a RAM like thing |
| 22:59.38 | SpeedEvil | grondilu: it's more like a USB stick in some ways. |
| 22:59.44 | SpeedEvil | grondilu: or a NFS drive |
| 22:59.51 | grondilu | oh... |
| 23:00.05 | SpeedEvil | the size is not rigidly set by the electrical interface. |
| 23:00.43 | grondilu | and it will work on a N900 ??? (I can't even imagine...) |
| 23:00.55 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, yes. |
| 23:01.01 | SpeedEvil | It will need a new kernel. |
| 23:01.52 | grondilu | indeed: http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc |
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| 23:14.49 | Arkenoi | what is the recommended and less intrusive (more reliable) way of moving parts of / to a different fs? is there a script that surely won't break things? ;-) |
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| 23:15.15 | thresh | maemo-optify? |
| 23:15.24 | thresh | dunno if it only works with .deb packages though |
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| 23:20.10 | xeviox | I've created a little app with Qt and ran qmake to create the makefile |
| 23:20.27 | xeviox | after running make I get some .o files |
| 23:20.31 | xeviox | but nothing else |
| 23:20.56 | xeviox | so which is the "executable"? |
| 23:21.08 | BabelO | xeviox: what is in your .pro file |
| 23:21.47 | xeviox | ah wait |
| 23:21.58 | xeviox | I called the project "TestProject" |
| 23:22.13 | xeviox | now there is a File "TestProject" in the folder, without any extension |
| 23:22.23 | xeviox | is that the executable? |
| 23:22.27 | BabelO | it is the executable yes |
| 23:22.33 | xeviox | ah cool |
| 23:22.44 | xeviox | should I rename it to get an extension? like .bin ? |
| 23:23.00 | BabelO | no unix binary have no extension |
| 23:23.07 | xeviox | ah ok |
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| 23:23.22 | xeviox | I really have to learn much more about unix / linux ;) |
| 23:23.24 | xeviox | thank you |
| 23:23.49 | ifreq | yeah, start with manpages ands tuff |
| 23:23.52 | BabelO | use command file ./TestProject to check that your build architecture |
| 23:24.16 | xeviox | ah ok |
| 23:24.30 | xeviox | ls also shows it highlighted in green :D |
| 23:24.32 | xeviox | cool |
| 23:24.43 | xeviox | the first "running" qt app on maemo |
| 23:24.49 | xeviox | :D |
| 23:24.57 | grondilu | xeviox: The books of O'Realy editor are good too |
| 23:25.30 | xeviox | do I have to use the same package sources for armel as for x86 (to install qtdev tools and qt technical preview)? |
| 23:25.42 | xeviox | grondilu: ah cool, I'll take a look :) |
| 23:30.26 | Arkenoi | thresh, i'd prefer something that will work on things already installed |
| 23:30.28 | Milhouse | Anyone here who does the QA of apps in extras? |
| 23:30.51 | jebba | any clue how to get a key to trigger a script? Like pressing the british pound symbol to run something? |
| 23:30.56 | VDVsx | Milhouse, what's the problem ? |
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| 23:31.25 | Anidel | hello guys |
| 23:31.35 | Anidel | any community-tester around ? |
| 23:31.44 | VDVsx | hey Anidel |
| 23:31.50 | Milhouse | It's a real nit, but just noticing a few apps where the description in App Manager doesn't begin with capital letter, eg. liqflow "finger friendly fluid dynamics etc." should be "Finger friendly..." |
| 23:31.52 | Anidel | hi valerio, I guess you are |
| 23:32.14 | Milhouse | Also liqtorch and Hex-a-Hop same issue. |
| 23:32.49 | Milhouse | As I say, it's a real nit but it's an easy thing to enforce/insist upon |
| 23:33.13 | Milhouse | eCoach is a special case of course :) |
| 23:33.24 | Anidel | VDVsx you there? |
| 23:33.26 | Milhouse | Sopwith is another |
| 23:33.32 | Milhouse | Maybe I should open a bug... |
| 23:33.52 | ali1234 | i say we just ban capital letters completely. it would save a lot of work. plus it would free up a key on the n900 keyboard :) |
| 23:34.33 | VDVsx | Milhouse, yes please, since that against the debian policy afaik |
| 23:34.57 | Milhouse | Add OpenVPN to the list, so just those 5 - not bad. ok will do, under what category/product, any idea? |
| 23:35.03 | VDVsx | Milhouse, but I'm afraid that isn't a blocker according to the q&a |
| 23:35.21 | Milhouse | shame - kinda lowers the tone |
| 23:35.34 | VDVsx | Milhouse, you should report the bug against the project itself |
| 23:35.39 | VDVsx | all have bugtrackers |
| 23:35.45 | ali1234 | Milhouse: your best chance is probably opening bugs against each package on garage |
| 23:36.02 | Milhouse | umm, ok (milhouse wishes he hadn't started this now :)) |
| 23:36.26 | Milhouse | bollox to garage i want to be in bed within the next 2 hours |
| 23:36.42 | Milhouse | garage is like wading through treacle |
| 23:37.01 | fdv | melmoth: I was missing the pymaemo repo. thanks for your help :) |
| 23:37.07 | Milhouse | will raise the bugs in b.m.o |
| 23:37.35 | Milhouse | VDVsx - if you are involved in the QA, could you and your colleagues keep an eye out for this kind of nit picking? |
| 23:38.44 | Milhouse | arse, most of the offending apps don't have entries in b.m.o |
| 23:38.53 | xeviox | where can I get the qt-technical-preview sources for arm? |
| 23:39.05 | xeviox | or better where to find the packages? |
| 23:40.28 | Milhouse | err.. nor are they in garage |
| 23:40.37 | VDVsx | Milhouse, yes no problem :), I already reported a few bugs against apps that use the app name in the short description :) will give more attention to that particular issue |
| 23:40.50 | Milhouse | thanks! |
| 23:40.54 | VDVsx | Milhouse, better use the package interface |
| 23:41.05 | Milhouse | eh? |
| 23:41.20 | VDVsx | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 23:41.28 | Milhouse | oh right ta |
| 23:41.51 | Milhouse | much better, thanks |
| 23:41.53 | VDVsx | for e.g: http://maemo.org/packages/view/ecoach/ |
| 23:42.01 | VDVsx | the bug tracker is there |
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| 23:43.36 | Milhouse | no luck with http://maemo.org/packages/view/sopwith/ |
| 23:43.46 | Milhouse | don't think it's got a bugtracker has it? |
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| 23:46.05 | Milhouse | no bug tracker for sopwith, liqflow or liqtorch |
| 23:46.22 | VDVsx | lcuk, ping |
| 23:46.53 | VDVsx | Milhouse, for sopwith you can comment here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/sopwith/1.7.1-4maemo5 |
| 23:47.08 | lcuk | \o |
| 23:47.16 | xeviox | seems that I broke my arm target in scratchbox, any ways to rebuild it? |
| 23:47.21 | Milhouse | hi lcuk |
| 23:47.25 | Milhouse | (thanks VDVsc) |
| 23:47.30 | lcuk | xeviox, plaster cast |
| 23:47.36 | xeviox | lcuk: ?? |
| 23:47.38 | VDVsx | Milhouse, np :) |
| 23:47.52 | lcuk | "<xeviox> seems that I broke my arm " |
| 23:48.02 | Milhouse | lcuk: as above, just a couple of nits with liqflow/liqtorch in the App Manager description |
| 23:48.18 | xeviox | lcuk: the arm target in scratchbox .. |
| 23:48.40 | lcuk | Milhouse, theres a bugtracker now, but its not linked to the account yet, bugs.maemo.org has them |
| 23:48.49 | ali1234 | xeviox: there's a way to reset the target in sb-menu |
| 23:48.52 | xeviox | is it possible to reset it to the install default of the sdk? |
| 23:48.53 | lcuk | im making changes now to liqflow and will be changing |
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| 23:49.07 | lcuk | but if you would make a note in there please |
| 23:49.26 | xeviox | ali1234: yes, but after resetting it doesn't know the apt-get command... so it seems he deleted everything .. |
| 23:49.29 | lcuk | "not linked to the app yet" |
| 23:49.44 | ali1234 | xeviox: seems like you broke it really bad then... |
| 23:49.55 | Milhouse | couldn't find them in b.m.o - you sure they're there or do you want it in liqbase (think thats there) |
| 23:50.04 | ali1234 | xeviox: i can't help sorry... |
| 23:50.14 | xeviox | np thanks |
| 23:50.14 | lcuk | Milhouse, they are part of liqbase |
| 23:50.21 | lcuk | a component thereof |
| 23:50.22 | Milhouse | ok will file shortly |
| 23:50.28 | lcuk | they exist either standalone of embedded |
| 23:50.29 | ali1234 | xeviox: reseting the target should not delete "everything" like that, so i dunno... |
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| 23:55.26 | Milhouse | 7290 and 7291, gary! :) |
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| 23:55.54 | xeviox | k, there are to options in sb-menu |
| 23:56.02 | xeviox | one is Clear that seems to clear a target |
| 23:56.02 | VDVsx | Milhouse, humm the capital char at the begging of description is not referred in debian policy, at least I can't find that rule o_0 |
| 23:56.11 | xeviox | and one is Setup to setup a target |
| 23:56.21 | xeviox | I've run setup with arm compiler |
| 23:56.29 | Milhouse | ah, i thought someone mentioned it here - oh well |
| 23:56.43 | Milhouse | well, it looks nicer if capitalised |
| 23:57.02 | xeviox | now I get the following error: E: Unable to determine a suitable packaging system type |
| 23:57.11 | xeviox | when I run "fakeroot apt-get update" |
| 23:57.20 | VDVsx | Milhouse, yes, of course, and is the correct way, at least in English :) |
| 23:57.55 | VDVsx | Milhouse, but that way this is not a bug, is enhancement instead :D |
| 23:58.17 | xeviox | hmm there is no folder / file in /etc |
| 23:58.19 | Milhouse | emm yes... don't we have Maemo packaging standards? |
| 23:58.30 | VDVsx | for the records the rules are here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-descriptions |
| 23:58.41 | xeviox | can someone give me the content of his /etc/apt/sources.list file? (in the arm target) |
| 23:58.42 | Macer | hell yeah. clocking almost 100K/s over my tethered G1 :) |
| 23:58.45 | Milhouse | I'd push for it to be in our standards even if not part of Debian |
| 23:58.47 | Macer | way better than xp was going |
| 23:58.59 | Macer | over a samba share using a vpn |
| 23:59.14 | Milhouse | of course there are good reasons to allow exceptions, ie. the description on eCoach |
| 23:59.38 | Milhouse | but on the whole, conform with standard English when the description is in English |
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