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| 00:00.55 | pwnguin | its more for light load servers than your macbook |
| 00:01.17 | pwnguin | or i suppose its a way to get at your macbook files with less hassle |
| 00:01.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Aye, I use FTP to grab stuff off my mbp to my N810/900 |
| 00:02.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Too lazy for USB |
| 00:02.18 | pwnguin | i just use my NAS |
| 00:02.47 | pwnguin | interestingly, the NAS supports upnp, which the n900 sees |
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| 00:03.21 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah, me needs a Buffalo Linkstation |
| 00:04.19 | pwnguin | ive seen some hardware that runs debian quite well |
| 00:04.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Wait a minute, the Droid is a 550mhz ARM Cortex A8!?!?!?!? |
| 00:04.37 | pwnguin | yes |
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| 00:05.06 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I thought it was Snapdragon.... |
| 00:05.12 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Wow.... |
| 00:05.28 | pwnguin | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/ |
| 00:05.51 | pwnguin | i thought snapdragon was MIPS. must have confused it with something else |
| 00:05.59 | pwnguin | either way, sounds like a power hog |
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| 00:06.54 | pwnguin | sadly, most of the videos on my NAS can't be played by the default n900 player |
| 00:07.04 | LuciusMare | nooo |
| 00:08.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah and mplayer eats root like a starving rabbit |
| 00:09.25 | eitreach | pwnguin, have you installed the extra decoders support? |
| 00:09.30 | Macer | wow |
| 00:09.36 | pwnguin | eitreach: i installed ogg |
| 00:09.37 | Macer | i have been trying to find out wtf is wrong with this damn pptp setup |
| 00:09.42 | Macer | Linksys WRT54G V4 with factory firmware (or DD-WRT firmware) cannot forward GRE 47 protocol from WAN-to-LAN |
| 00:09.49 | pwnguin | eitreach: not sure about the rest; what's the package name? |
| 00:09.55 | eitreach | pwnguin, you can install a whole bunch of extras.. So far I haven't found anything I can't play afterwards. |
| 00:10.05 | eitreach | pwnguin, "decoders support", I believe. |
| 00:10.06 | pwnguin | (also, these are like 720p or 1080) |
| 00:10.30 | eitreach | It's in extras-testing, as far as I remember. |
| 00:10.43 | eitreach | oh. I haven't tried HD-movies yet. |
| 00:10.53 | eitreach | only with strange and obscure encodings. |
| 00:11.02 | pwnguin | its mostly anime |
| 00:11.33 | pwnguin | lemme get some stats on an example |
| 00:11.50 | jebba | <chant>bur-ger-space bur-ger-space bur-ger-space</chant> All install it now! <chant>bur-ger-space bur-ger-space bur-ger-space</chant> |
| 00:12.15 | jebba | burgerspace, now in extras-testing :) |
| 00:12.32 | eitreach | pwnguin, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/d/ |
| 00:12.47 | pwnguin | Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 848x480, 29.97 tbr, 29.97 tbn, 59.94 tbc Stream #0.1(und): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16 |
| 00:12.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I wonder how long I'll remain banned from #android, I just wanted to let them all know how much the Droid sucks |
| 00:12.55 | T7g | I take it the dosbox in the repos isn't hildonized? (or keymapped correctly) - I got syndicate running on it earlier, the only real issue I had was not having a true mouse, it sort-of worked but you could never really get a "fix" on the pointer, it would always be an inch away from where you were pointing. |
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| 00:14.03 | jebba | hah |
| 00:14.03 | pwnguin | eitreach: already installed |
| 00:14.19 | pwnguin | im surprised dosbox works on arm |
| 00:15.04 | eitreach | then I'm stumped. |
| 00:15.14 | pwnguin | im not surprised |
| 00:15.21 | pwnguin | h264 is cpu heavy |
| 00:15.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | syndicate, T7g, nice! |
| 00:15.24 | eitreach | gadgetoid-mbp, is the droid that bad? |
| 00:15.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | eitreach: yes, yes, and yes |
| 00:15.40 | pwnguin | without DSP support it's probably a nogo |
| 00:15.54 | pwnguin | even if it's nearly the right size for the screen |
| 00:16.01 | eitreach | gadgetoid_mpb, I had a HTC Magic.. It was nice for Google-stuffs, but with multimedia it sucked bad. Same thing about the droid? |
| 00:16.02 | T7g | I was pretty amazed when the syndicate movie played nearly perfectly, perhaps I should get a tiny bluetooth mouse to take along with me. |
| 00:16.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Here's what it has going for it: an 856*480 resolution screen |
| 00:16.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Here's what it doesn't: everything else |
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| 00:16.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Well it has almost no internal storage,and you can't swap MicroSD cards in and out without first removing the battery... sucky enough for you? |
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| 00:17.18 | eitreach | that's bad, yeah. |
| 00:17.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I WANT to love it, I want an excuse to waste £50 getting one with a phone contract for my N900, I WANT to love it |
| 00:17.23 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But it's shit |
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| 00:18.08 | T7g | it's motorola, they make pretty phones (like razr) but I haven't seen them make any truly useful phones |
| 00:18.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The Droid is definitely not pretty |
| 00:18.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The DEXT is, though |
| 00:20.26 | T7g | heh, make you take the battery out to switch sd cards, ewww |
| 00:20.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah, that's tragic combined with no internal storage |
| 00:21.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | basically kills the Droid dead if you like to hot swap out absurd amounts of media |
| 00:22.17 | pwnguin | meh. just grab a ridiculusly large microsdhc |
| 00:24.01 | toggles_2 | hmm.. http://twitter.com/daedaluz/statuses/6875457945 really? |
| 00:25.26 | eitreach | Meh. That's telling me a little too late. |
| 00:25.39 | pwnguin | or too early |
| 00:26.15 | zash | toggles_2: hm, pricedrop on n900? *hopeful* |
| 00:26.17 | toggles_2 | lol too late for me too |
| 00:26.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ha, I got mine for £350 anyway |
| 00:26.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | £50 less if my TopCashBack ever gets paid... which is unlikely |
| 00:26.54 | jebba | pfft. twitter knows, ya right,. |
| 00:27.05 | toggles_2 | lol |
| 00:27.23 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Haha, that Twitter smells like bullshit |
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| 00:28.05 | jebba | pricedrop when they can make enough of them. Hell seems amazon is raising the price. It's more now than when i ordered it. |
| 00:28.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I can just imagine Nokia execs saying "Let's alienate our entire fanbase, render our current OS obsolete and render our current hardware obsolete before we've even opened up a commercial store for it!" |
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| 00:29.43 | jebba | well, simple fact is that maemo 6 just isnt going to be there by then i seriously doubt. But go get the git tree and check it out if you really want to know |
| 00:30.26 | mikhas | just check the other twitter posts of that account ... this is just a hoax |
| 00:31.05 | jebba | got anymore BS for us toggles_2? |
| 00:31.15 | mikhas | feels cheated for wasting time on twitter ... again! |
| 00:31.25 | Milo- | maemo5 wasn't ready for normal users so why would maemo6 be? |
| 00:31.38 | jebba | toggles_2 is trolling methinks..... |
| 00:31.44 | toggles_2 | lol, not me the rss app poped it up on me n900 |
| 00:31.47 | T7g | dude talks about getting banned from 4chan on his twitter, he's obviously a troll :p |
| 00:31.57 | SpeedEvil | I see nothing wrong with 5 for normal users that don't enable extras-dev |
| 00:32.14 | jebba | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 00:32.27 | SpeedEvil | ->milo |
| 00:32.33 | Milo- | SpeedEvil not enough applications, no store, and no manual comes with n900 |
| 00:32.37 | jebba | ah. ya. |
| 00:32.50 | Milo- | it wasn't made for end users |
| 00:32.57 | Milo- | n900 is toy for developers |
| 00:33.02 | jebba | Milo-: not enough apps cuz everyone is tired of looking at spinning cursors on the website. You can't even give a package in -testing good karma. |
| 00:33.10 | jebba | great toy :) |
| 00:33.19 | Milo- | jebba exactly |
| 00:33.30 | Milo- | and extras isn't enabled by default |
| 00:33.40 | jebba | hits ctrl-5 (reload) on browser pointed at maemo.org/packages for 50th time.... |
| 00:33.46 | Milo- | and normal user won't stumble upon _how to_ enable extras by accident |
| 00:34.06 | jebba | well, extras they could. It is there already, they just need to uncheck it. THey could stumble upon that. |
| 00:34.06 | SpeedEvil | not enough apps - yet |
| 00:34.16 | SpeedEvil | It's been a month |
| 00:34.16 | jebba | they ain't gonna add extras-testing accidentally |
| 00:34.38 | SpeedEvil | In 3 I'd expect to see a fair number more apps |
| 00:34.38 | jebba | and if the website stays like this there's only gonna be like 30 more apps by next month. |
| 00:34.41 | Milo- | SpeedEvil yes but as for 'end users' |
| 00:34.53 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Sheesh, Expansys have put the N900 up by £5, haha |
| 00:34.54 | Milo- | apps and store is necessary for real end users to feel comfortable |
| 00:35.01 | villager | Milo-: I think extras got enabled for me when I installed something from maemo select |
| 00:35.16 | jebba | here's a great one for endusers :) install burgerspace and if it works for you give it karma++ http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/burgerspace/1.8.3-17/ |
| 00:35.35 | Milo- | jebba end users don't want to have anything to with the community websites |
| 00:35.38 | Milo- | community = communism |
| 00:35.48 | jebba | Milo-: they dont' have to have anythign to do with community websites |
| 00:36.01 | Milo- | if they have to vote, then they do :) |
| 00:36.05 | jebba | what the hell do they know about maemo. They just see "oh extra apps" <CHECK> done. |
| 00:36.24 | Milo- | jebba but they won't be able to _see_ that button anywhere |
| 00:36.25 | jebba | Milo-: they don't have to, just if enough devs do. But plenty users would to IF IT FUCKING WORKED. |
| 00:36.35 | fnordianslip | end users shouldn't be trusted to vote. look who they elect into governements. |
| 00:36.43 | jebba | Milo-: sure, it's not that buried. Users will find that one for sure eventually. |
| 00:36.45 | pupnik | ++ |
| 00:37.07 | Milo- | jebba I wouldn't have any faith in the end users on that matter |
| 00:37.09 | jebba | wooo! I got my page to load! |
| 00:37.11 | pupnik | alright, who has experience with sdl->alsa and grotty sound |
| 00:37.25 | Milo- | even I had trouble finding that checkbox |
| 00:37.40 | jebba | Milo-: its just a freaking checkbox. It's not like they have to open a terminal or enter any URL or anything. |
| 00:37.41 | Milo- | though, finnish is confusing in technical terms |
| 00:37.57 | pupnik | i can get 4 seconds of clean sound if i output at 48khz, start alsamixer and exit it |
| 00:38.00 | pupnik | maybe 6 |
| 00:38.11 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Jesus Christ I hate PC World adverts |
| 00:38.16 | zeenix | Milo-: finnish is confusing anyways :) |
| 00:38.21 | Milo- | zeenix ._· |
| 00:38.31 | jebba | Milo-: you make no sense. What's finnish got to do with it? |
| 00:38.59 | zeenix | jebba: his phone speaks finnish to him |
| 00:39.13 | jebba | ah, well if you have it set to that language.... |
| 00:39.25 | Milo- | finnish doesn't describe technical terms as you would expect |
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| 00:39.44 | Milo- | and if you set your phone's language to english, the date format is all messed up |
| 00:39.56 | jebba | you can change date format even in english |
| 00:40.02 | jebba | iirc |
| 00:40.03 | SpeedEvil | jebba: no, you can't |
| 00:40.05 | zeenix | Milo-: it is? |
| 00:40.09 | Milo- | jebba you can't |
| 00:40.13 | Milo- | it's a known bug |
| 00:40.18 | SpeedEvil | jebba: there is a fixed date format displayed in settings per language |
| 00:40.22 | Milo- | zeenix uses mm/dd/yyyy :/ |
| 00:40.23 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: number? |
| 00:40.34 | zeenix | Milo-: even with british enlish? |
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| 00:40.51 | jebba | ah, just decimal separator and stuff. |
| 00:41.14 | Milo- | oh actually it's dd/mm/yy for uk |
| 00:41.16 | zeenix | agrees with Milo- that american date format is just non-sense |
| 00:41.16 | Milo- | but that's still wrong |
| 00:41.34 | zeenix | yes, it certainly is :) |
| 00:41.43 | Milo- | dd.mm.yyyy > everything else |
| 00:42.02 | zeenix | even yyyy.mm.dd makes sense |
| 00:42.37 | SpeedEvil | zeenix: but sorts |
| 00:42.46 | Milo- | SpeedEvil https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6363 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463 |
| 00:42.48 | povbot | Bug 6363: Date format should be defined by Regional Settings, not Device Language |
| 00:42.49 | povbot | Bug 463: Date format should be user defined |
| 00:43.44 | zeenix | at least it's better than google speaking to me in the lang of the place i happen to be at that time |
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| 00:44.47 | zeenix | i was in spain the other day and it showed me the temperature of helsinki in spanish :) |
| 00:45.27 | Milo- | heh |
| 00:46.58 | Gadgetoid_mbp | http://www.gadgetoid.com/2009/12/21/nokia-n900-versus-motorola-droidmilestone/ ahh, nothing like a rant thinly veiled as journalism |
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| 00:47.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | First page of google for "nokia n900 versus motorola droid" ... for now at least |
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| 00:49.11 | gtessier00 | Hi everybody, anyone here has the Nokia N900? |
| 00:49.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | <-- |
| 00:49.23 | henningms | <-- |
| 00:49.40 | yuizy | <-- |
| 00:49.40 | lcuk | <--<--<- |
| 00:50.16 | luke-jr_ | for the sake of reducing spam, you should probably ask who *doesn't* |
| 00:50.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Obligatory troll is obligatory |
| 00:50.52 | gtessier00 | hahaha alright... I have a small concern about it, and I'd like to have your advice... I'm from canada and tomorrow I will get one. Did any1 of you received it DOA? I know there are a lot of problems concerning the MIC |
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| 00:51.06 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Mine was fine |
| 00:51.28 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Haven't bricked it yet, either, fingers crossed |
| 00:51.38 | luke-jr_ | gtessier00: more likely that has to do with which batch it came from ;) |
| 00:51.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | My iMac was fine too |
| 00:51.52 | ml-maemo | anyone see my question earlier? |
| 00:52.01 | T7g | Anyone know an easy way to force a fsck on a filesystem at boot? not /forcefsck or the shutdown command, n900 doesn't like either. |
| 00:52.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I obviously have a courier that doesn't drive all their parcels around in a large cement mixer |
| 00:52.37 | T7g | I switched app/mydocs and mounting it via usb leads to two linux systems mounting the same filesystem and that's kinda caused some data loss. |
| 00:52.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ml-maemo: nope |
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| 00:53.59 | Milo- | <-- |
| 00:54.01 | ml-maemo | ok |
| 00:54.14 | ml-maemo | is the vim package optified? |
| 00:54.51 | Milo- | yes |
| 00:55.20 | Milo- | if it wasn't, it would have a bug report |
| 00:55.32 | Milo- | and I can clearly see it in the /opt/maemo/usr/*/vim |
| 00:55.40 | ml-maemo | cool |
| 00:55.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | NOOO NOO NAEO an article calling the Snapdragon "Far superior" than Arm A8, and looking only at raw megahertz values! |
| 00:55.58 | SpeedEvil | loltards. |
| 00:56.22 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I wish there was an informed article out there |
| 00:56.30 | Milo- | Gadgetoid_mbp I can make one |
| 00:56.31 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I don't want to write it myself, it'll be ill informed |
| 00:56.34 | SpeedEvil | It's the internet! |
| 00:56.47 | Milo- | just cat few thousand characters from /dev/urandom |
| 00:57.00 | luke-jr_ | Milo-: I'm not sure that has anything to do with the CPU <.< |
| 00:57.06 | luke-jr_ | please do it based on calculating pi |
| 00:57.07 | luke-jr_ | kthx |
| 00:57.22 | Milo- | Who says random characters isn't informal? |
| 00:57.34 | Milo- | made up numbers are just as useful as calculated numbers |
| 00:57.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Haha |
| 00:57.46 | Milo- | so why wouldn't the same thing apply to informal text? |
| 00:58.01 | luke-jr_ | Milo-: no, random will bottleneck on the RNG |
| 00:58.17 | Milo- | potato tomato |
| 00:58.30 | luke-jr_ | random data is hardware-generated, not CPU-generated |
| 00:58.59 | Milo- | and I never said I was going to give accurate data about the CPU |
| 01:00.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Milo-: Face it, you need to be dumb to troll |
| 01:00.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Smart troll is too smart |
| 01:00.42 | Milo- | I wasn't trolling ._· |
| 01:01.21 | Milo- | you obviously missed the Dilbert reference, so let me point it out for you: http://u.meelo.org/dilbert/AccurateNumbers.png |
| 01:01.28 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Subtle troll is subtle |
| 01:01.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Dilbert troll is dilbert |
| 01:01.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Sorry, I read too much Garfield |
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| 01:04.16 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I clearly need to study more Dilbert |
| 01:04.59 | pupnik | ok i really need to know this. what program/process in maemo5 keeps touching the mixer? i need to suspend that |
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| 01:05.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | HTC Sense UI, which is based on the principles: "Make it mine," "Stay Close" and "Discover the Unexpected," |
| 01:05.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | *vomit* |
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| 01:12.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh dear, a review favouring a capacitive touchscreen over resistive because "it's more responsive" |
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| 01:13.00 | T7g | eh, let the people buy shit, they'll just always continue to be jealous of the real gadget geeks ;p |
| 01:13.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | True T7g, but it's a sign of terrible things to come |
| 01:13.26 | SpeedEvil | ponders how to sell inductive touchscreens to the unwashed. |
| 01:13.40 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Can you imagine a future when we have absurdly high definition screens... coupled with horribly inaccurate finger-only input? |
| 01:14.17 | SpeedEvil | finger input that could track which finger - and the orientation could be stupidly powerful |
| 01:14.23 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Those of us with working eyes would be doomed forever to prod and poke hopelessly at tiny URLs with our nacho-fattened fingers, or constantly zoom in and out |
| 01:14.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: the only solution I want is a combination of btoh |
| 01:14.46 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Or both |
| 01:15.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | BTOH... almost BOFH... dun dun DUN |
| 01:16.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Well the one article i actually bothered to finish reading turned out in favour of the N900. Conclusive evidence that my viewpoint is, indeed, the correct one |
| 01:17.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Believe me, if the Droid was better than the N900 I'd be ebaying my N900 for a profit and buying a Droid on contract a couple of days ago |
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| 01:17.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Preaching to the choir... whee! |
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| 01:20.52 | jebba | got wxwidgets2.6 to build on armel :) |
| 01:21.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I'd say I love you, if I knew what the hell that was |
| 01:21.45 | jebba | cross-platform toolkit. Not sure how it's gonna look on maemo thoguh. But lots of applications need it to build. |
| 01:21.47 | gtessier00 | IMO, maemo is 10x better than android |
| 01:22.02 | jebba | they did have a ./configure --enable-hildon at one point, but back in the 710 era AFAICT |
| 01:22.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I can't quite come to terms with Android |
| 01:22.15 | jebba | android is java crap. n900 is debian. |
| 01:22.19 | jebba | no comparison |
| 01:23.25 | gtessier00 | n900 has flash support, a GREAT thing |
| 01:24.00 | jebba | proprietary flash... |
| 01:24.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The Droid will have Flash support, but the browser is already a deal slower than the N900s |
| 01:24.20 | luke-jr_ | N900 is *not* Debian |
| 01:24.21 | Gadgetoid_mbp | So I can only wince at the thought of flash in it |
| 01:24.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | If Maemo isn't a Debian derivative, what the hell is apt doing in it? |
| 01:24.57 | luke-jr_ | key word: derivative |
| 01:25.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Haha, touche |
| 01:25.09 | jebba | i'm still really impressed at how fast the n900/maemo5 is. I have a sharp netwalker running ubuntu--roughly the same spec (but more memory in netwalker) and the netwalker is a DOG by comparison. |
| 01:25.11 | luke-jr_ | huge difference |
| 01:25.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Everything's a sodding Debian derivative these days anyway |
| 01:25.24 | jebba | Gadgetoid_mbp: it is a debian derivative. |
| 01:25.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's the grandaddy of all relevant linux |
| 01:25.40 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Errr, apart from CentOS |
| 01:25.41 | jebba | well, fedora/rh pretty relevant... |
| 01:25.43 | gtessier00 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=435924#post435924 |
| 01:25.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Pfff, redshat |
| 01:25.53 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I mean hat |
| 01:25.54 | gtessier00 | oops sorry I didn't to put this here, hehe :P |
| 01:25.56 | luke-jr_ | jebba: not really |
| 01:26.10 | luke-jr_ | but even still, I bet RedHat is derived from Debian somehow |
| 01:26.32 | Milo- | it's not. |
| 01:26.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Lies, damn lies, and statistics |
| 01:27.16 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Forums, being the go-to place for all complaints, create some of the most inaccurate "statistics" I've ever laid eyes upon |
| 01:27.48 | luke-jr_ | Milo-: IIRC, Debian is the first Linux-based OS... kinda hard to *not* derive from it when starting one |
| 01:28.13 | Milo- | red hat came roughly at the same time |
| 01:28.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | red hat sounds like the tip of a penis... |
| 01:28.49 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 01:28.59 | Milo- | uhm, yes.. |
| 01:29.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I whipped out my red had for a bit of gentoo, and she thought it was a bit debian and said she only likes mandriva and corel.... uuhh |
| 01:29.19 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And a bit of yellow dog |
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| 01:29.22 | Milo- | My Gentoos are awesome |
| 01:29.26 | jebba | hah |
| 01:29.28 | jebba | yikes. |
| 01:29.37 | jebba | used to work at yellow dog |
| 01:29.42 | jebba | well, terrasoft |
| 01:29.44 | luke-jr_ | actually, now that you mention it... |
| 01:29.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Turquoise Dog |
| 01:30.03 | luke-jr_ | RedHat is the only Linux-based desktop OS I've used that is missing the tempfile command |
| 01:30.17 | jebba | 9 years ago now. yowza |
| 01:30.30 | luke-jr_ | which turns out to be part of debianutils pkg |
| 01:30.32 | luke-jr_ | <.< |
| 01:30.38 | Milo- | Gentoo is the only distro that makes sense. |
| 01:30.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Sheesh, 9 years ago I thought work was something people made up to scare me |
| 01:31.06 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 01:31.30 | luke-jr_ | would get so much flak if he logged on as luke-jr_mbp... |
| 01:31.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And on that note, I should probably sleep because I've got work tomorrow and am still physically hungover from Friday night |
| 01:31.55 | luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: wouldn't I? :P |
| 01:32.03 | Gadgetoid_mbp | In future, I'll binge drink instead of dancing... the side effects last for significantly less time |
| 01:32.09 | T7g | Well, we'll see if inserting this /sbin/fsck -y /dev/mmcblk0p1 before mounting /home in rcS-late keeps my n900 from booting ;P I really couldn't think of any other easier way |
| 01:32.20 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You cannot physically strain yourself by lying unconscious on the floor |
| 01:32.34 | jebba | T7g: give it a -v too |
| 01:32.41 | Milo- | I should install gentoo on N900 |
| 01:32.49 | Milo- | but I don't think it could handle all the compiling :( |
| 01:32.54 | jebba | wow. DONT give it a -v |
| 01:32.55 | jebba | sry |
| 01:33.04 | T7g | a lil late fer that now but I'm sure that won't stop it from booting if it's gonna. |
| 01:33.04 | jebba | was thinking that was verbose T7g ... |
| 01:33.10 | pupnik | cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/status yields about 12 seconds of workin, then state: XRUN happens and sound gets sdistorted |
| 01:33.19 | jebba | that would just give version heh |
| 01:33.31 | T7g | hm, does -y say yes in your output? |
| 01:33.37 | T7g | I was consulting my gentoo's manpage |
| 01:33.44 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.00 | jebba | all bets are off on the busybox fsck, check it carefully |
| 01:34.06 | Milo- | that kind of breaks the GNU standards :P |
| 01:34.10 | luke-jr_ | Milo-: my N810 runs Gentoo |
| 01:34.14 | luke-jr_ | or did anyhow |
| 01:34.19 | Milo- | heh |
| 01:34.21 | jebba | oh wait, it may be a real one |
| 01:34.27 | Milo- | luke-jr_ how did that work out? |
| 01:34.36 | jebba | ya, it's from e2fsprogs |
| 01:34.41 | luke-jr_ | Milo-: the only problems are Nokia's fault <.< |
| 01:34.52 | Milo- | really? |
| 01:34.54 | Milo- | :o |
| 01:34.56 | luke-jr_ | Milo-: N810 is too closed |
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| 01:35.07 | luke-jr_ | N900 in theory should be slightly better |
| 01:35.22 | Milo- | though, you would still be using binary packages |
| 01:35.27 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 01:35.33 | Milo- | not sources |
| 01:35.45 | luke-jr_ | no, Gentoo is from source :p |
| 01:35.53 | Milo- | even the maemo packages? |
| 01:35.56 | luke-jr_ | Nokia gifted slonopotamus a N900, but he doesn't have time to do this stuff anymore I think |
| 01:36.01 | luke-jr_ | Milo-: I don't run Maemo. |
| 01:36.06 | luke-jr_ | Gentoo is Gentoo, not Maemo |
| 01:36.35 | luke-jr_ | I ran console mode and, on occasion, KDE 4.3 |
| 01:36.55 | Milo- | were you able to make calls with it? |
| 01:37.04 | luke-jr_ | um |
| 01:37.08 | luke-jr_ | no |
| 01:37.09 | Milo- | :D |
| 01:37.22 | luke-jr_ | I didn't bother |
| 01:37.27 | luke-jr_ | I can just pick up my hard phone while at home |
| 01:37.43 | luke-jr_ | and there's not enough Wifi here to make it worth the effort to setup a softphone |
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| 01:38.03 | luke-jr_ | Milo-: don't forget Nxx0 are not phones, they're handhelds. |
| 01:38.12 | luke-jr_ | N900 is the first model to even *support* cellular frequencies |
| 01:38.29 | luke-jr_ | N810 is strictly 802.11bg |
| 01:38.35 | Milo- | oh, did not know that |
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| 01:42.01 | pupnik | ah, our libsdl src/audio/alsa/SDL_alsa_audio.c is simply not recovering from XRUN state |
| 01:43.35 | pupnik | and when i run alsamixer, that gets fixed for a while |
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| 01:45.37 | jebba | [2009-12-21 03:39:16] ffmpeg 4:0.5+svn20090706-5 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository :) |
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| 01:49.48 | pupnik | nice jebba |
| 01:53.25 | T7g | hm, it's still sitting here displayin' nothin' and I would imagine that the fsck would be done by now. |
| 01:54.35 | jebba | T7g: you need a kernel with a console... |
| 01:54.54 | T7g | that's pretty crappy that it wasn't included. |
| 01:55.15 | T7g | but I assume when it sits and doesn't show the graphical dot thing that it's still doing something on the console |
| 01:55.42 | T7g | unless, it's literally hanging there because I pretty much couldn't do the fsck like that |
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| 01:57.44 | T7g | Suppose I'll give it until the reflash images download;p |
| 01:59.26 | jebba | well, if its not hung at the dots, that's actually a better sign |
| 01:59.38 | jebba | what size and what exactly are you fscking anyway? |
| 02:00.05 | T7g | Well, I switched the partition type flags on apps and mydocs |
| 02:00.34 | T7g | The bad thing was, my linux system was automounting apps (/home) instead of mydocs because of it being mmcblk0p1 |
| 02:01.03 | T7g | Soo I was basically concurrently using a filesystem, I tried fscking it a couple times before I realized I was fscking a live system. |
| 02:01.19 | T7g | It worked fine but the used space total was very wrong and I had random corruption issues |
| 02:02.01 | T7g | I resolved to just not use it via usb anymore however I figured I'd fsck it now and get all my data over wifi and not worry about the corruption. |
| 02:02.21 | pupnik | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libsdl1.2/src/audio/alsa/SDL_alsa_audio.c Lines 326 - 348 - there must be some way to recover from underrun |
| 02:02.38 | T7g | I take it, there is no way to fsck /home (or mmcblk0p1) without doing it before it boots |
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| 02:11.58 | jebba | T7g: not that i know of |
| 02:12.43 | T7g | I feel better knowing I had no other choice :P |
| 02:13.22 | T7g | On the other hand, is there any way I can tweak the n900 to export a device over usb other than mmcblk0p1? |
| 02:14.04 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: there isn't - other than to play fake data |
| 02:14.22 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: underrun means you ran out of audio data when the DAC needed some. |
| 02:14.27 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: there is no way back. |
| 02:14.34 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: when i run alsamixer and exit, the sound gets fixed |
| 02:14.50 | pupnik | while playing |
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| 02:16.28 | pupnik | i guess i'll look at what alsamixer does on exit |
| 02:16.44 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: sorry - not reading code at this time - migrane, and can't get to sleep. |
| 02:17.01 | pupnik | np, it's nice to have someone to chat with |
| 02:17.06 | pupnik | my eyes are starting to go |
| 02:17.13 | cehteh | anyone working on bringin bash3 to maemo? |
| 02:17.28 | SpeedEvil | Does it support multitouch? |
| 02:17.53 | arachnist | how would bash3 support multitouch? |
| 02:18.11 | T7g | jebba, you said that it not freezing on the dots was better than it freezing before, is there some keycombo I can hit to get into interactive mode or something to skip this fsck I put in before mount /home in event.d/rcS-late? |
| 02:18.48 | jebba | T7g: the only thing i can think of is trying to put it into r&d mode |
| 02:19.00 | AakashPatel | what was tha app that lets me control the tv over ir? |
| 02:19.07 | cehteh | tries to compile bash4 .. :P |
| 02:19.10 | jebba | T7g: with the flasher: ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode |
| 02:19.12 | T7g | Well I have the reflasher and images now. |
| 02:19.15 | jebba | then fix it, then disable it. |
| 02:19.24 | jebba | T7g: try r&d mode first i guess |
| 02:19.36 | T7g | What does r&d mode give me access to? |
| 02:19.59 | jebba | just makes the device weird and half broken. But it does skip fscks ;) |
| 02:20.11 | T7g | This is a manual one I put in myself :p |
| 02:20.17 | jebba | but again, it skips nokia's fscks, not sure about it skipping your fsck ;) |
| 02:20.33 | jebba | worth a shot. One freaking line. Easier than a flash. |
| 02:21.01 | T7g | yeah, you're right, if not I'm due for a flash. Since I don't have to debrand the phone I guess I owe it one :p |
| 02:21.24 | AakashPatel | aircrack lets me crap wep passwords, right? |
| 02:21.51 | AakashPatel | yeh |
| 02:21.52 | AakashPatel | sweet |
| 02:23.21 | T7g | To be clear, nothing I can do to the files in /etc could make the device unflashable right? It's all the same nand and the nokia bootloader can reflash as long as I don't mess with wherever it is? |
| 02:23.54 | jebba | ya, you can rm -rf /etc and still reflash ok |
| 02:24.16 | jebba | you LOSE all / on reflash, except /home which also contains /opt |
| 02:24.48 | T7g | Shouldn't be an issue that I flagged that partition ext3 and it is ext3? |
| 02:25.04 | jebba | it'll just blow that out and overwrite it |
| 02:25.20 | T7g | So /home will be destroyed regardless? |
| 02:25.20 | jebba | the flash doesn't write it like it's a file system, it does it more like "dd", if you get what i mean |
| 02:25.29 | T7g | I know what ya mean |
| 02:25.35 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.53 | jebba | ah, but it may have a hard time mounting it if it's formatted ext3. Not sure there. hehe |
| 02:26.08 | T7g | I basically just want to come up with a plan to have a non-corrupted ext3 filesystem (even if I can't mount it over usb) |
| 02:26.09 | jebba | worst case you ahve to blow out /home too |
| 02:26.20 | T7g | yeah that's not an issue, made a backup of phone settings before |
| 02:27.13 | jebba | T7g: you may want to try this free one for kicks too: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ |
| 02:27.35 | cehteh | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/bash-4.0] > /usr/local/bin/bash --version |
| 02:27.35 | cehteh | GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i686-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 02:27.40 | jebba | you'll need the latest mercurial code with it though: |
| 02:27.40 | jebba | hg clone http://hg.youterm.com/0xFFFF |
| 02:27.45 | jebba | nice |
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| 02:27.49 | cehteh | eww does scratchbox something specual there? :) |
| 02:27.52 | T7g | I was having weird stuff happen like icons disappearing from the desktop and video file corruption on reboot. I'm almost sure it was because both the n900 and my gentoo box had mounted the partition at the same time, to make it worse I fsck'd it a ton |
| 02:28.18 | jebba | ah, i thought you had bash4 built |
| 02:28.36 | jebba | haha, ya, fscking live filesystems .... |
| 02:28.43 | T7g | I went well enough |
| 02:29.03 | T7g | here's the issue, it always said I had something like 16777775T used in df -h |
| 02:29.12 | T7g | and as I said, stuff disappeared here and there. |
| 02:29.38 | T7g | it let me write to it but I didn't want the uncertainty, I had a disappearing wiiload icon that was there at the start and then deleted itself when the desktop finished opening |
| 02:29.59 | SplasPood | hrm.. libc6-dev is mia |
| 02:30.06 | cehteh | jebba: well yes so i thought |
| 02:31.28 | cehteh | ./bash --version |
| 02:31.28 | cehteh | GNU bash, version 4.0.0(2)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 02:31.34 | cehteh | strange things |
| 02:32.38 | T7g | jebba, What exactly activates nokia's fscks? 34 mounts? |
| 02:32.55 | jebba | seems to fsck a lot more than that. |
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| 02:36.56 | jebba | ffmpeg is now in the extras-devel repo :) |
| 02:38.59 | T7g | how do ya know it's fscking jeb? |
| 02:39.12 | T7g | I would've left rcS-late alone if I thought it was gonna fsck sooner! |
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| 02:40.45 | T7g | Is the whole partition flag switching and remaking the fs's a worse idea than say running an ext in a loopback? eghh. I just don't like vfat and all the systems I use around here are all linux (they can mount vfat but..) so it's not as if I needed vfat |
| 02:40.49 | jebba | dont really know how you know witout a console enabled kernel |
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| 02:41.05 | jebba | ya, exact same here. I dont need vfat at all |
| 02:41.57 | cehteh | what i saied .. reformat, disable the storage thing, run networking, sshfs or samba when you need to transfer files |
| 02:42.03 | T7g | What is your solution? Did you just resist the temptation and leave it as vfat? |
| 02:42.06 | T7g | yeah |
| 02:42.22 | T7g | I agree sir, I think that's where I am headed after the reflash-- there is an option to disable usb mass storage mode? |
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| 02:42.57 | cehteh | would be cool if nokia would support/develop/sponsor some kind of virtual fat driver |
| 02:43.12 | cehteh | looks like a vfat storage device but is just a file-server |
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| 02:43.53 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.54 | T7g | indeed, but it would be so much easier if we had some config file where we could simply specify what partition was exported over USB when it was connected in mass storage mode. |
| 02:44.08 | cehteh | yay .. that was fremantle x86 |
| 02:44.17 | cehteh | now lets try with armel |
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| 02:46.42 | T7g | ehh... I almost wonder if I could hexedit the flasher image to change the partition table to better resemble a normal linux system and flash that, like keep the partition designations but change the cylinder starts and finishes since the image obviously won't flash to the entire device at once.. |
| 02:47.21 | cehteh | in theory yes, but it certainly has some checksum to be corrected too |
| 02:47.28 | T7g | ahh yeah, durr |
| 02:47.33 | cehteh | and if something goes wrong you may brick your device |
| 02:47.48 | T7g | What do you have to do to make an n900 unflashable? |
| 02:48.04 | T7g | Where is the flasher bootloader stored? on nand? in rom? |
| 02:48.08 | cehteh | dunno if it reflashes the firmware needed on the device side to handle flashing |
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| 02:48.26 | cehteh | iirc the device has no rom, only flash/nand |
| 02:48.39 | T7g | eghh, that's not so great |
| 02:48.49 | cehteh | call it flexible and cheap :P |
| 02:48.57 | cehteh | but i am not sure about that |
| 02:49.09 | T7g | neither am I |
| 02:49.45 | T7g | Would be nice imho if we had a how to brick an n900 permanently so we know what steps not to do. |
| 02:49.58 | T7g | I mean obviously, don't disconnect the usb cable or power off while reflashing but |
| 02:50.12 | T7g | Other things that could cause you to be screwed without a crazy solder job |
| 02:50.27 | cehteh | grr .. bash4 doesnt compile on arm |
| 02:50.37 | jebba | T7g: you can extract the flasher image using the flasher-3.5 program |
| 02:50.52 | cehteh | or maybe sdk bug .. |
| 02:51.37 | jebba | what's the error? |
| 02:51.39 | T7g | Well, I can roll with the more hackish ways to do it |
| 02:51.45 | T7g | I really don't need to use the USB function |
| 02:51.49 | jebba | T7g: then check out 0xFFFF :) |
| 02:52.08 | T7g | emerging hg atm ;p |
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| 02:52.32 | jebba | T7g: did you get latest hg of it? |
| 02:53.28 | T7g | haven't even tried since I didn't have hg, but if you're asking about my hg version I run ~amd64 so I assume it's the best without going into ~x86 |
| 02:53.31 | jebba | cuz the latest tarball of it 100% for sure doesn't have n900 code, but the latest hg 100% does. |
| 02:53.50 | jebba | you'll definitely need hg of 0xFFFF, not tarball. |
| 02:54.05 | T7g | Oh yeah, just cloned it |
| 02:54.16 | jebba | ah ok |
| 02:54.45 | jebba | cool, git is now in the repo too :) |
| 02:55.14 | T7g | I'm not a linux newbie, but I'm not an expert, I'm not a coder, but I can code- just not well. I kinda just do good on doing general things. Last project I did was bringing Gentoo to the Wii |
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| 02:56.29 | jebba | sounds like me |
| 02:56.47 | cehteh | configure bash4 with --disable-readline .. what a shame :P |
| 02:56.54 | jebba | i just poke at it and beat the code until it worksforme |
| 02:57.09 | jebba | cehteh: there is readline4-dev btw |
| 02:57.24 | jebba | if it wanted readline5 you may just be able to downgrade it |
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| 02:57.42 | cehteh | i only need a more recent bash for a test script |
| 02:57.54 | cehteh | and i got linker errors so prolly not a dev package problem |
| 02:58.01 | T7g | okay, well, this n900 looks like this fsck won't get done anytime soon since it's been an hour and a half, and I did a whole badblock test in 35 minutes. I'll try the r&d mode |
| 02:58.03 | cehteh | worked on x86 but not on armel |
| 02:58.48 | cehteh | fsck over vfat? |
| 02:59.17 | T7g | nope, ext3, I did the vfat/ext partition switch thing with sfdisk |
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| 02:59.47 | T7g | so I inserted... /sbin/fsck -y /dev/mmcblk0p1 right before /bin/mount /home in /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 03:00.43 | T7g | so it's fscking a 27gb or so fs, but I did a badblock test through usb in 35 mins before I had my durr moment and realized the cause of the problem. |
| 03:00.51 | cehteh | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 03:00.51 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.51 | cehteh | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 03:00.51 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.58 | cehteh | great :P |
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| 03:03.13 | jebba | cehteh: ya, that's why i said do readline4 |
| 03:03.23 | jebba | edit debian/control and try downgrading it. |
| 03:03.30 | T7g | Oh, I have the dots... |
| 03:03.34 | cehteh | i doubt bash4 will like old stinking readline |
| 03:03.48 | T7g | hmm... |
| 03:04.07 | T7g | booted |
| 03:04.22 | T7g | but that begs the question, how the hell do I trigger a real fsck? |
| 03:04.36 | jebba | do it correctly in your script :P |
| 03:04.47 | jebba | T7g: so the r&d mode did it? |
| 03:05.04 | T7g | no, it just err, booted |
| 03:05.21 | ml-maemo | anyone have vim working good on the N900? |
| 03:05.27 | T7g | sat blank screen for hour and a half, held down power, powered down, turned on again, sat tehre |
| 03:05.30 | jebba | ah, you mean it finally finished the fsck or did you put it in r&d mode? |
| 03:05.33 | T7g | then eventually the dots came up |
| 03:05.38 | jebba | ah cool |
| 03:05.38 | T7g | No, I turned the damn thing off |
| 03:05.42 | jebba | T7g: check out http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Installing_my_custom_kernel |
| 03:05.51 | jebba | that is a kernel with a console so at least you can see WTF is goign on |
| 03:06.14 | cehteh | me is still at step 1 ... install my custom shell :P |
| 03:06.42 | T7g | jebba, that sounds awesome |
| 03:06.57 | T7g | In fact, you just answered a question I wanted asked without asking :p |
| 03:07.27 | jebba | i'm getting better |
| 03:07.33 | jebba | it's the fone/computer/camera |
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| 03:07.57 | T7g | yeah man, n900 will change all our lives :P |
| 03:08.08 | T7g | So, n900 keeps kernels in /lib? |
| 03:08.31 | jebba | no, keeps modules there |
| 03:08.35 | jebba | back up your old modules for sure. |
| 03:08.41 | jebba | it keeps kernel in /boot, but not really |
| 03:08.53 | jebba | the real kernel it loads it gets from somewhere else methinks |
| 03:08.57 | T7g | It did fsck |
| 03:08.59 | jebba | and gets flashed in there |
| 03:09.02 | jebba | cool |
| 03:09.08 | T7g | Perhaps i stopped it permaturely? |
| 03:09.19 | T7g | but on my gentoo box I did a full badblock scan in 35mins tops... |
| 03:09.36 | T7g | I waited like 1.5 hours at least, unless it was on a third fsck pass... |
| 03:10.19 | luke-jr_ | ...... |
| 03:10.27 | GAN900 | As a side note: Avatar was excellent. |
| 03:10.32 | luke-jr_ | T7g: you didn't try to badblocks your SSD? |
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| 03:10.55 | T7g | not read/write (-cc) |
| 03:11.07 | luke-jr_ | read-only at most I hope |
| 03:11.07 | T7g | I thought about that one, and I know that would've hosed the nand |
| 03:11.28 | luke-jr_ | XD |
| 03:11.40 | T7g | thank god I'm not as stupid as I could've been ;) |
| 03:11.56 | luke-jr_ | too bad Nokia is |
| 03:11.57 | luke-jr_ | <.< |
| 03:12.04 | luke-jr_ | swap is probably just about as bad |
| 03:12.11 | T7g | A standard n900 block is 32kb? and the nand writes in 512k blocks? or less? |
| 03:12.12 | luke-jr_ | yet it's enabled by default on N900 |
| 03:12.23 | luke-jr_ | what is a N900 block? :p |
| 03:12.32 | T7g | I mean, you know the filesystem has x size blocks |
| 03:12.41 | luke-jr_ | badblocks uses no filesystem |
| 03:12.45 | luke-jr_ | neither does swap |
| 03:13.05 | T7g | I've been drinking, be forewarned |
| 03:13.17 | luke-jr_ | ......... |
| 03:13.25 | T7g | if you scroll up it'll make slightly more sense if you see what I've been talkin' about |
| 03:13.42 | T7g | I didn't realize I was dual mounting the ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 over usb |
| 03:14.08 | T7g | thought I had badblocks until I realized the filesystem was just being crazy because it was still mounted when mounted over usb |
| 03:15.22 | jebba | heh |
| 03:15.34 | T7g | That isn't half as bad as when I ported one of my perl scripts to windows and didn't realize I was prefixing the exec calls with ./ still for an hour or so |
| 03:16.05 | T7g | and contrary to what they say, you can get away with live fscking your n900 |
| 03:16.14 | T7g | your data will just randomly disappear on reboots. |
| 03:16.19 | luke-jr_ | ......... |
| 03:16.30 | luke-jr_ | that's not get away with |
| 03:16.37 | T7g | hahaha, yeah, perhaps not =) |
| 03:16.40 | ml-maemo | vim does not like my keyboard |
| 03:17.53 | GiantTalkingCow | Vim doesn't like anything. Use Emacs. |
| 03:18.03 | GiantTalkingCow | runs away. |
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| 03:18.47 | ShadowJK | badblocks on an SSD would be funny |
| 03:18.54 | ShadowJK | rather, it IS funny |
| 03:18.59 | ShadowJK | in that it doesn't work at all |
| 03:19.41 | ShadowJK | SSDs, mmc/sd, etc have that load spreading stuff. Your bad block will constantly move around :) |
| 03:19.58 | ShadowJK | I have a transcend 1GB SD card that does that :) |
| 03:20.27 | ShadowJK | the range of blocks this bad block moves to is limited, but it's quite big |
| 03:21.04 | T7g | I guess I should've came here before I started screwing with my n900 but I haven't had to reflash yet so I'm doing alright so far. |
| 03:21.08 | cehteh | heh .. actually they do checksumming and error correction so they find the bad blocks and replace them |
| 03:21.30 | T7g | On the n900 cehteh ? Or SSD's in general? |
| 03:21.31 | cehteh | even cheap ones have to do that they rely even more on error correction |
| 03:21.42 | cehteh | in general |
| 03:22.06 | ShadowJK | cehteh, they *should* find bad blocks and replace them |
| 03:22.35 | ShadowJK | btw, the bad block goes away if I access the card slowly |
| 03:22.47 | cehteh | the nand prolly not, ubi/ubifs is completely managed by the linux mtd layer including error correction, wear leveling and so on iirc |
| 03:23.16 | ShadowJK | it's not a transport error, I think, because then the bad bits would be spread out over the entire card, or could appear over the entire card |
| 03:23.30 | ShadowJK | yeah the onenand is different |
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| 03:24.12 | ShadowJK | SSDs and SD/mmc run their own ftl to make them look like harddrives/etc |
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| 03:37.05 | Lantizia | Lo, I was on earlier and a guy suggested I hard link /usr to /usr-del so that I can symlink /home/usr to /usr.... reboot... then delete /usr-del |
| 03:37.17 | Lantizia | i.e. move usr to eemmc but kinda-sudo-safely |
| 03:37.36 | Lantizia | but hard linking usr to usr-del don't work... I just get "Operation not permitted" any tips on why? |
| 03:37.41 | Lantizia | and yeah I'm root |
| 03:38.50 | derf | You can't hard link directories. |
| 03:39.01 | derf | Use cp -al |
| 03:39.24 | Lantizia | i know what a is.. whats l? |
| 03:39.39 | derf | It makes hard links instead of copying the files. |
| 03:39.46 | Lantizia | for every file/dir it finds? |
| 03:39.49 | T7g | yeah |
| 03:39.51 | derf | For every file. |
| 03:39.55 | derf | You can't hard link directories. |
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| 03:40.08 | Lantizia | so the _real_ /usr would be left behind... just a bunch of empty directories? |
| 03:40.17 | T7g | with symlinks |
| 03:40.40 | derf | I don't know what you're trying to do, but you'll likely screw up your device. |
| 03:40.41 | Lantizia | nah don't want symlinks |
| 03:40.54 | Lantizia | if I have symlinks I can't delete the real /usr |
| 03:41.00 | derf | I don't think /home is mounted early enough to replace /usr. |
| 03:41.01 | T7g | derf, I think he's trying to avoid bricking by filling up the 256mb chip |
| 03:41.14 | Lantizia | T7g, yup |
| 03:41.22 | derf | Yes. I'm saying what he's trying won't work. |
| 03:41.24 | T7g | home is not mounted until after /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 03:41.28 | Lantizia | I've reflashed already - so I can try as many times as needed to get it right lol |
| 03:41.45 | T7g | Well it's mounted in that file |
| 03:41.47 | T7g | sorry |
| 03:41.58 | Lantizia | so? |
| 03:42.31 | T7g | so /user is already there when you mount /home, which means you can't replace /usr with it |
| 03:42.39 | T7g | without losing everything on /usr at least |
| 03:42.47 | T7g | you can mount over it but then you can't access the original /usr |
| 03:43.13 | T7g | forgive the typo after his so and my so /user (should be /usr) |
| 03:43.22 | Lantizia | no no... I'm hard linking usr to usr-del so that I can symlink /home/usr to /usr so I can delete the real usr (now usr-del) after |
| 03:43.33 | Lantizia | basically doing what is already done to /opt |
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| 03:44.04 | T7g | but if you did that, then /usr would be hard linked to somewhere that does not exist |
| 03:44.19 | T7g | because /home/usr isn't there when /usr needs to be there |
| 03:44.20 | Lantizia | no it wouldn't it would be symlinked not hard linked |
| 03:44.39 | T7g | no, no, you don't understand, /home won't be mounted when you need your /usr |
| 03:44.51 | Lantizia | and when is that? what needs it? |
| 03:45.13 | T7g | well, that is a question better answered by the rest of the folks in the channel, but at least something I would imagine |
| 03:45.22 | Lantizia | bah I want to try anyway |
| 03:45.27 | type_t | whats the problem? |
| 03:45.29 | T7g | that's cool, I'm curious for one |
| 03:45.35 | Lantizia | I'm told var is a bad idea... but usr should be ok |
| 03:45.39 | Lantizia | this was earlier today |
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| 03:46.00 | T7g | type_t, he wants to symlink /usr to /home/usr and reboot I think, not realizing that /home/usr isn't mounted until long after /usr is needed ? |
| 03:46.46 | T7g | or maybe not, basically he's trying to solve the optification problem in one fell swoop |
| 03:46.57 | Lantizia | but to do that (and delete the real /usr) I need to hard link /usr to something else so I can delete it after I've made the symlink |
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| 03:47.03 | Lantizia | but hard links won't work for some reason |
| 03:47.08 | T7g | right? to just have your /usr on /home so it never fills installing from apt? |
| 03:47.17 | Lantizia | exactly |
| 03:47.19 | T7g | well you can't hardlink directories as the gentleman above said. |
| 03:47.22 | SpeedEvil | hard links are only allowable on one device |
| 03:47.35 | Lantizia | yeah well it's the same device |
| 03:47.46 | Lantizia | ln /usr /usr-del |
| 03:47.56 | Lantizia | cp -a /usr /home/usr |
| 03:48.05 | Lantizia | ln -s /home/usr /usr |
| 03:48.09 | T7g | yes but you have to understand how things are mounted on startup |
| 03:48.11 | Lantizia | REBOOT |
| 03:48.14 | T7g | that could work until you have to reboot |
| 03:48.16 | Lantizia | rm -Rf /usr-del |
| 03:48.38 | Lantizia | but if I can't hard link a dir... then I've no way of getting rid of the ORIGINAL /usr |
| 03:48.39 | T7g | can you go look at /etc/event.d/rcS-late? |
| 03:48.52 | T7g | See that is all on the / partition, and so is /usr, it is on the / partition as well |
| 03:48.59 | Lantizia | thats fine then |
| 03:49.00 | T7g | and / is mounted first |
| 03:49.08 | T7g | and it mounts /home, and then /MyDocs |
| 03:49.12 | Lantizia | sure |
| 03:49.35 | Lantizia | look if it fails then thats fine... I'll reflash and only do certain directories like the maemo wiki says |
| 03:49.42 | Lantizia | but if I can move all of /usr then thats easier |
| 03:49.52 | T7g | guys? is there any reason he can't get rid of /usr before booting and mounting /home? |
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| 03:50.13 | T7g | I could be wrong granted but the way I understand it, it shouldn't be possible |
| 03:50.24 | T7g | just because /usr isn't mounted by itself, it's part of the mount of / |
| 03:50.29 | Lantizia | so copy usr to home... symlink it... then some how access the / filesystem to delete the original /usr ? |
| 03:50.34 | pupnik | device here has all the apps i care to install and 23MB free on / |
| 03:50.50 | Lantizia | pupnik, I easily reached the limit easier |
| 03:50.53 | Lantizia | *earlier |
| 03:51.17 | Lantizia | T7g, well /opt isn't mounted by itself... it's just a symlink to /home/opt |
| 03:51.24 | T7g | your best bet is to do this maybe... I am drunk so don't take me too seriously lant, but maybe keep a minimal /usr in your setup and then after mounting home, mount -o bind /home/usr /usr |
| 03:51.44 | Lantizia | nah! no bind mounts! |
| 03:51.53 | Lantizia | they get done much much much later I think |
| 03:52.08 | T7g | no, you do this manually in /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 03:52.28 | Lantizia | yeah but I'm still left with a problem on how to delete the original /usr |
| 03:52.44 | T7g | you don't, you slim it down before you switch and leave it alone. |
| 03:52.54 | Lantizia | want to destroy it instead |
| 03:52.56 | Lantizia | KABAM! |
| 03:52.59 | T7g | it's needed to boot before you rebind your /usr from a different directory |
| 03:53.06 | T7g | or to ehh |
| 03:53.19 | Lantizia | "it's needed to boot" by what? |
| 03:53.36 | Lantizia | for what! |
| 03:53.45 | Lantizia | these things I will learn when I brick it for the 3rd time in a week :D |
| 03:53.58 | Lantizia | KABAM! |
| 03:54.32 | Lantizia | can I use a delete tool that ignores symlinks? i.e. it looks on the raw file system for a /usr and deletes it - ignoring the symlink already at /usr |
| 03:54.44 | T7g | I think if there was an easy solution to all of this that someone other than one of us would've came up with it :p |
| 03:54.58 | T7g | I just repartitioned lant, you can't use it over USB properly but otherwise you're fine. |
| 03:55.22 | Lantizia | why repartitioned? what advantage is that? |
| 03:55.29 | Lantizia | you put the whole filesystem on the eemc? |
| 03:55.38 | T7g | okay |
| 03:55.40 | T7g | your problem: |
| 03:55.42 | pupnik | heh, find /usr -size +1500 reveals some things |
| 03:56.03 | Lantizia | KABAM! |
| 03:56.04 | T7g | can't install apps |
| 03:56.12 | T7g | need more than 2gb? |
| 03:56.16 | Lantizia | sure! |
| 03:56.21 | Lantizia | 32 would be nice |
| 03:56.27 | T7g | have you switched your 2gb ext3 partition and your 27gb vfat partition yet? |
| 03:56.28 | Lantizia | don't need this thing as usb storage |
| 03:56.41 | Lantizia | eh!? |
| 03:56.50 | T7g | okay good, there is a forum thread that teaches you an advanced way to switch your partition type flags on your table |
| 03:56.56 | T7g | the n900 seems to autogen fstabs |
| 03:57.08 | Lantizia | so theres 2gb of NAND flash? |
| 03:57.15 | T7g | There is 32gb |
| 03:57.18 | Lantizia | your suggesting stick swap on the 32gb? |
| 03:57.19 | T7g | it's split weird |
| 03:57.21 | T7g | No |
| 03:57.27 | T7g | I'm sugges |
| 03:57.28 | Lantizia | is confused.com |
| 03:57.54 | T7g | Okay, your N900 is basically a single flash device (other than tha main rootfs? I am no expert so please correct) |
| 03:58.02 | T7g | that is partitioned |
| 03:58.06 | Lantizia | from what I hear it is not |
| 03:58.11 | Lantizia | 2 seperate storage devices |
| 03:58.16 | T7g | there is some little 256mb chip maybe for the rootfs |
| 03:58.31 | Lantizia | ok |
| 03:58.41 | Lantizia | well that chip can sod off... way too small |
| 03:58.42 | T7g | so, I mean, you have that 256mb |
| 03:59.08 | T7g | now you can install with apt-get and it will by default for packages that are not "optified" install to that 256mb chip, bad of course |
| 03:59.21 | Lantizia | yes like perl which I attempted to install |
| 03:59.26 | Lantizia | so frozen bubble would work lol |
| 03:59.35 | T7g | otherwise optified packages will appear in /home/opty |
| 03:59.41 | T7g | -y, anyways |
| 03:59.48 | pupnik | flobopuyo, enigma, xchat leave some things that seem optifiable |
| 03:59.49 | Lantizia | feels opty |
| 04:00.01 | pupnik | hatari also |
| 04:00.09 | T7g | you basically need to tell perl not to install to /usr, but to /home/opt instead |
| 04:00.23 | Lantizia | would rather move usr to home |
| 04:00.28 | T7g | if you install anything substantial to the 256mb chip, you'll fill it |
| 04:00.36 | T7g | I know! we all would I bet, it's a great idea I admit |
| 04:00.40 | T7g | i just don't know how doable it is |
| 04:00.44 | Lantizia | well I wanna try that first! |
| 04:00.50 | T7g | I don't know if the n900 needs anything from /usr before mounting /home |
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| 04:00.58 | Lantizia | hell one sec I'm gonna try it |
| 04:01.06 | Lantizia | I'm gonna try it without removing the original /usr |
| 04:01.15 | T7g | First unless you wanna brick a lot and reflash is you need to install jebba's kernel with console so you can tell us the error messages |
| 04:01.15 | Lantizia | it'll be small at the moment anyway as I just reflashed |
| 04:01.36 | Lantizia | that sounds like work |
| 04:01.52 | T7g | you just bought the n900, your idea of a great sunday night isn't installing Debian? |
| 04:01.52 | Lantizia | Nokia-N900-42-11:/home# cp -a /usr . |
| 04:02.04 | Lantizia | well got it a week ago |
| 04:02.17 | Lantizia | see I loved the Zaurus machines... openzaurus on there - boot from SD card... lovely |
| 04:02.25 | T7g | sd cards are slow |
| 04:02.32 | Lantizia | but spacious |
| 04:02.53 | Lantizia | 256mb is frankly pathetic |
| 04:03.02 | T7g | Ah, well, that is bascially |
| 04:03.09 | pupnik | you fail to grasp the nature of Thai Quan Leep |
| 04:03.15 | T7g | 256mb for the people that are incapable of working with linux :p |
| 04:03.18 | pupnik | approach so that you may learn |
| 04:03.19 | T7g | you can work around it |
| 04:03.38 | Lantizia | yes like moving usr to home :D |
| 04:03.39 | T7g | think of it like a fun puzzle |
| 04:03.52 | pupnik | think of it as a waste of timem |
| 04:04.01 | Lantizia | yay! |
| 04:04.03 | Lantizia | KABAM! |
| 04:04.09 | T7g | to be honest lant, I think after a few more people actually get their phones they ordered and the holidays pass we'll see a lot more movement in that stuff |
| 04:04.22 | Lantizia | what stuff?? |
| 04:04.29 | Lantizia | people moaning about the space? |
| 04:04.36 | T7g | people doing something about it. |
| 04:05.02 | Lantizia | ok usr copied... making symlink |
| 04:05.33 | Lantizia | damn it! won't do it while it exists |
| 04:05.48 | Lantizia | hmm I could move it then symlink |
| 04:06.05 | Lantizia | makes a crappy shell script to do it quickly |
| 04:06.15 | jebba | hearts quilt |
| 04:06.22 | T7g | it's good we have people that are willing to try it like you are though lant, waste of time or not, who knows, it is inspiring. |
| 04:06.40 | Lantizia | YAY it worked! |
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| 04:06.47 | Lantizia | I renamed /usr to /moo |
| 04:06.51 | Lantizia | and made a symlink to /home/usr |
| 04:06.51 | jebba | heh |
| 04:06.56 | Lantizia | deletes /moo |
| 04:07.23 | Lantizia | if this works when I reboot I'll be really happy |
| 04:07.23 | T7g | Okay well I can tell you one thing for sure |
| 04:07.26 | T7g | If it does not work |
| 04:07.31 | Lantizia | reboots |
| 04:07.37 | T7g | then it means you can not symlink to /home |
| 04:07.50 | T7g | before the n900 needs something from /usr |
| 04:07.51 | Lantizia | well lets see :D |
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| 04:08.23 | Lantizia | lol it's on a reboot loop |
| 04:08.33 | Lantizia | come on little N900! |
| 04:08.45 | T7g | the little n900 needs /usr there until after /home is mounted |
| 04:08.55 | Lantizia | fuck buckets... time for another reflash |
| 04:08.56 | T7g | so wait and then mount -o bind an image of /usr |
| 04:09.14 | T7g | on a writable bigger parition afterwards |
| 04:09.17 | jebba | let it do it's reboot loops (?) |
| 04:09.27 | Lantizia | nah it's rebooted like 6 times now hehe |
| 04:09.29 | T7g | you have to duplicate it but it's your only choice. |
| 04:09.55 | Lantizia | T7g, well I can still delete the original /usr ... your saying add a mount bind in a script? |
| 04:10.13 | T7g | Here is what I think a solution could be for yo u |
| 04:10.17 | T7g | You leave your /usr as is. |
| 04:10.19 | pupnik | that clock_worldmap_time_chooser.jpg could be reduced from 1MB to something a bit smaller |
| 04:10.40 | T7g | you copy it to /home/usr 0a |
| 04:10.44 | SpeedEvil | e |
| 04:11.05 | T7g | err -a, then you mount -o bind however you do that command after mounting /home in /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 04:11.13 | SpeedEvil | either work out what files are used before /home is mounted - and leave those - or mount home earlier |
| 04:11.20 | Lantizia | T7g, but if I mount bind when it's needed in rcS-late... then it should be fine without the original /usr |
| 04:11.21 | SpeedEvil | which may slow boot down a little |
| 04:11.48 | Lantizia | or even boot up |
| 04:11.53 | T7g | No, you don't understand Lant, I think you're trying to reference /home/usr before it's mounted |
| 04:12.06 | T7g | the symlink will always reference /home/usr, even if it's not mounted |
| 04:12.10 | jebba | ah, it's probably doing a fsck.vfat and failing (hence reboot) when it should fsck.ext3 ??? I havent really been paying attention to wha tyou¿'ve been doing tho |
| 04:12.11 | T7g | it'll just fail if it's not there |
| 04:12.12 | Lantizia | yes I know that |
| 04:12.15 | Lantizia | I know! |
| 04:12.20 | Lantizia | was just hoping it didn't need it on boot up |
| 04:12.25 | T7g | jebba, I fixed my thinger |
| 04:12.28 | Lantizia | or at least before home gets mounted |
| 04:12.43 | T7g | We're trying to help Lant fix the optification problem somehow |
| 04:12.44 | jebba | T7g: how? |
| 04:12.49 | T7g | he wants symlinks, I want mount -o binds |
| 04:12.58 | Lantizia | well bind mounts are next :D |
| 04:13.16 | Lantizia | gotta reflash first (again lol) |
| 04:13.19 | T7g | jebba, I just let it reboot, I guess fsck ignored it once it was done right, perhaps it got stuck wanting to reboot and the N900 doesn't like doing that proper? |
| 04:13.36 | T7g | I noticed shutdown -r does crap |
| 04:14.10 | T7g | perhaps fsck wanted to -r the system after fixing it and then couldn't, and after manual powerdown started up and didn't check the clean filesystem (thank god I omitted -f) |
| 04:14.32 | jebba | ah cool. sudo reboot works. But T7g bit warning: don't reboot your device 17 times without a power off with powercable (usb) disconnected or it bricks! |
| 04:14.52 | Lantizia | T7g, I will be back! gotta go into linux to reflash... this 64bit windows box doesn't like the flasher |
| 04:14.54 | T7g | I read that sir, as a precaution I never type reboot, I hit the power button and choose "Switch Off" |
| 04:15.06 | pupnik | there, 45MB free on / and all apps still happy |
| 04:15.13 | T7g | Alright lant, I might be passed out drunk before you get back but I have 24oz to go so you should have some time., |
| 04:15.34 | T7g | I run a really goofy gentoo linux system with a read only root partition |
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| 04:15.41 | pupnik | hehe T7g |
| 04:15.51 | jebba | hahah |
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| 04:15.59 | T7g | I just have /etc stored as /eti, let it boot from /etc and then do a tmpfs and copy /eti to it |
| 04:16.01 | pupnik | some fuse stuff so you can monitor changes? |
| 04:16.09 | T7g | No, god I'm so lazy |
| 04:16.41 | T7g | works great though, booting off a ssd on my main box so I love that it's mounted read-only |
| 04:16.44 | pupnik | what do you do that for/ |
| 04:16.48 | pupnik | ohhh |
| 04:17.12 | T7g | trying to squeeze life out of it |
| 04:17.20 | T7g | it's an ocz vertex 32gb |
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| 04:17.45 | T7g | all variable files are mounted over it from my 1tb wd |
| 04:18.08 | T7g | so I kinda have some experience with booting and crazy configs that aren't writable |
| 04:18.19 | T7g | I haven't updated /etc in forever, ehh, I wonder when that's gonna cause problems.. |
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| 04:18.26 | lantizia | MEOW! |
| 04:18.29 | lantizia | is back, and reflashed |
| 04:18.39 | T7g | that was quick |
| 04:18.44 | T7g | 256mb only though? |
| 04:18.46 | lantizia | yeeeeah :D |
| 04:18.58 | lantizia | yeah the normal file off the nokia/maemo site |
| 04:19.06 | lantizia | gotta put ssh back on here tho now |
| 04:19.27 | T7g | be a man, type with the n900's keyboard |
| 04:19.40 | lantizia | I'm not that much of a man |
| 04:19.44 | T7g | let it frustrate the living shit out of you! |
| 04:19.47 | nezb | what did you just flash with? |
| 04:19.58 | lantizia | sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 04:20.20 | nezb | is that a new firmware? |
| 04:20.24 | lantizia | new?! |
| 04:20.34 | lantizia | o_O |
| 04:20.34 | nezb | oh wait nvm, that's the same one |
| 04:20.40 | lantizia | theres newer! |
| 04:20.43 | lantizia | GIMME! |
| 04:20.48 | nezb | got all excited for a second. there isn't ... yet |
| 04:20.56 | lantizia | ah ok lol |
| 04:21.28 | nezb | 1.92009.42-11.002 |
| 04:22.19 | lantizia | isn't that older? |
| 04:22.57 | T7g | just a diff way of saying it I think |
| 04:22.59 | lantizia | T7g: ok ready to rollllllll! |
| 04:23.05 | lantizia | whats the new plan? :D |
| 04:23.30 | T7g | The best I can give you as a suggestion is... |
| 04:23.37 | T7g | Okay |
| 04:23.52 | T7g | bootup, main desktop, open yer term, sudogainroot all that |
| 04:23.58 | T7g | cp -a /usr /home |
| 04:24.07 | T7g | so it's /home/usr |
| 04:24.16 | T7g | leave /usr alone |
| 04:24.24 | lantizia | ok copying... |
| 04:24.28 | T7g | then using your editor of choice edit /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 04:24.51 | lantizia | well I don't have an editor of choice... my choice would be nano -- but nokia are nano haters |
| 04:24.55 | T7g | look for "# We can safely continue booting now." |
| 04:25.03 | T7g | you can apt-get install nano |
| 04:25.05 | lantizia | NANO HATERS! |
| 04:25.08 | jebba | leafpad :) |
| 04:25.11 | lantizia | I don't see it... maybe I missed it |
| 04:25.16 | lantizia | I did look for it in apt |
| 04:25.18 | T7g | just don't ctl-w and try to search, it'll segfault |
| 04:25.23 | lantizia | lol |
| 04:25.28 | T7g | do this from console |
| 04:25.32 | lantizia | im in ssh |
| 04:25.36 | T7g | anyways, once your /usr is copied to /home/usr |
| 04:25.40 | lantizia | done |
| 04:26.00 | T7g | then you edit /etc/event.d/rcS-late, and before "# We can safely continue booting now." |
| 04:26.00 | lantizia | welcome everyone to "Baking with your N900" |
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| 04:26.40 | T7g | before that line add something like "mount -o bind /home/usr /usr" |
| 04:26.48 | T7g | that should make /home/usr your new /usr |
| 04:26.51 | lantizia | and what if rcS-late is updated later? |
| 04:26.59 | T7g | be vigilant? :p |
| 04:27.03 | lantizia | lol |
| 04:27.09 | T7g | wat if your n900's lithium battery catches fire and you die? :p |
| 04:27.12 | T7g | I dunno, be prepared :p |
| 04:27.22 | lantizia | i'll have nightmares now |
| 04:27.56 | T7g | Now I am not sure this'll work but |
| 04:27.56 | nezb | my N900 better not be catching fire |
| 04:27.56 | T7g | best guess I have |
| 04:27.57 | lantizia | but why not! |
| 04:27.57 | T7g | seems like in theory it should work |
| 04:27.57 | lantizia | peh the n900 was free |
| 04:27.57 | lantizia | if it does work can delete the real /usr ? :D |
| 04:27.58 | lantizia | PWEEEASE |
| 04:28.01 | T7g | you'll have to have your normal /usr on the / partition, but after booting you'll bind the same files with your own additions from /home |
| 04:28.03 | T7g | NO |
| 04:28.08 | lantizia | AWWW |
| 04:28.12 | T7g | you cannot delete the real /usr, this should FIX it |
| 04:28.22 | lantizia | your meanie |
| 04:28.36 | lantizia | I'm only teasing :) |
| 04:28.37 | T7g | instead of installing to the 256mb partition's /usr, you'll install to your /home/usr, keeping your real /usr safe and sound |
| 04:28.45 | lantizia | thanks for your input in all this by the way |
| 04:28.52 | T7g | that's fine :p I'm only drinking! |
| 04:28.58 | T7g | Oh nah, my pleasure |
| 04:29.13 | T7g | If it works (probably won't) perhaps that could fix some huge issue |
| 04:29.14 | T7g | who knows |
| 04:29.52 | lantizia | to me... usr is used for the same things you expect opt to be used for.... but opt has less structure |
| 04:30.04 | lantizia | so both -ought- be usable from home |
| 04:30.06 | T7g | yeah I'm a gentoo guy so really fuck /opt |
| 04:30.14 | lantizia | yeah |
| 04:30.53 | T7g | and yeah, you could just be saving me reflashes, if it works for you I don't mind duplicating a hundred or even two hundred megabytes of /usr on /home as long as I don't have to micromanage the filesystem |
| 04:31.11 | lantizia | ok DONE! |
| 04:31.13 | lantizia | REEEEEBOOOOOOT |
| 04:31.18 | T7g | wwait |
| 04:31.22 | T7g | did you do that rcS-late thing |
| 04:31.23 | T7g | ? |
| 04:31.23 | lantizia | wha |
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| 04:31.28 | lantizia | yeah I did that thing |
| 04:31.33 | lantizia | and I ran the command for fun too |
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| 04:31.38 | T7g | so right before you did the mount -o bind? |
| 04:31.45 | T7g | and when you ran the command it worked too? |
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| 04:31.49 | lantizia | sure! |
| 04:31.59 | T7g | okay, then give it a try sir, if you've done wat I said! |
| 04:32.18 | lantizia | i have sir |
| 04:32.44 | nezb | the slider on my N900 is a little difficult to slide up and down, is there a way to grease it? |
| 04:32.57 | T7g | The way I see it, it's gonna boot off it's normal /usr and then after mounting /home it'll bind your /home/usr over your normal /usr |
| 04:33.02 | lantizia | woooooooooooooo |
| 04:33.18 | lantizia | lovely nokia tune there |
| 04:33.22 | lantizia | hands all over the place |
| 04:33.27 | T7g | At least I didn't brick your shit :p |
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| 04:33.44 | T7g | we'll need to see mount's output at least to know if it's working |
| 04:33.50 | lantizia | T7g: and looking at mount that command worked on boot |
| 04:34.02 | lantizia | tadaaa |
| 04:34.06 | T7g | I just learned about mount -o bind the other day |
| 04:34.19 | lantizia | i've been using them for years on my servers |
| 04:34.21 | T7g | like fer serious, from the manpage |
| 04:34.28 | lantizia | handy for ftp daemons that don't like symlinks |
| 04:34.33 | nezb | what, manpages actually taught us something!? |
| 04:34.42 | T7g | always! |
| 04:34.46 | lantizia | right so now I can delete /usr ? |
| 04:34.46 | lantizia | :D |
| 04:34.56 | T7g | if you do you'll delete /usr/home :p |
| 04:35.00 | T7g | or err |
| 04:35.02 | lantizia | I'm kidding! :D |
| 04:35.03 | T7g | otherway, /home/usr |
| 04:35.17 | T7g | but yeah, try filling that shit up man, see if that bind works |
| 04:35.24 | lantizia | I could write a script to unmount... move it... remount |
| 04:35.34 | lantizia | well... unmount... move it... mkdir usr... remount |
| 04:35.38 | T7g | really, if /usr is on /home then apt won't fuck up / |
| 04:35.48 | T7g | and you can literally symlink anything else off / |
| 04:35.54 | lantizia | im gonna try getting rid of the original :D |
| 04:36.00 | T7g | you will brick :P |
| 04:36.03 | T7g | 100% :p |
| 04:36.08 | lantizia | lets see :D |
| 04:36.19 | T7g | At least I got you to reboot without brick, hahaha |
| 04:37.00 | lantizia | umount -f usr |
| 04:37.00 | lantizia | mv usr moo |
| 04:37.00 | lantizia | mkdir usr |
| 04:37.01 | lantizia | mount -o bind /home/usr /usr |
| 04:37.06 | lantizia | thats my script :D |
| 04:37.32 | lantizia | won't unmount it lol |
| 04:37.36 | T7g | the reason your stuff bricked before though was because /usr wasn't there |
| 04:37.37 | T7g | yes |
| 04:37.44 | lantizia | brb |
| 04:37.45 | T7g | see, I just almost bricked doing this ext3 conversion |
| 04:38.17 | T7g | Am I being stupid? Is this a workable solution to /usr filling up and not optifying packages? |
| 04:38.32 | pupnik | ahaaa, it's not calling amixer that fixes, but pasuspender |
| 04:38.44 | pupnik | pasuspender ls works too |
| 04:38.46 | T7g | Oh geez dude, yeah, I hear PA is BAD |
| 04:38.53 | T7g | but It works fine for me so far |
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| 04:39.07 | pupnik | no it's wonderful, just takes some cpu |
| 04:39.20 | gtessier00 | yayyyyyy, just ordered N900 :D |
| 04:39.46 | T7g | congrats sir :D from amazon? :E |
| 04:39.46 | nezb | gstssier: yey! |
| 04:39.55 | gtessier00 | nope, mobilecityonline :) |
| 04:39.59 | gtessier00 | priority shipping |
| 04:40.16 | gtessier00 | can't wait to get this |
| 04:40.25 | T7g | Amazon sold out of pre-orders, and newegg had a cancel I caught at the perfect time, had it shipped overnight, got here 1 day late, but so happy, friend ordered day before me and still hasn't shioppped. |
| 04:40.26 | nezb | it is a very sexy phone |
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| 04:40.47 | gtessier00 | I currently have an E71 its outdated LOL |
| 04:41.05 | nezb | hehe anyone here want to buy a used iPhone 3G? |
| 04:41.08 | gtessier00 | overnight is nice... but since I'm in canada Im stucked with long shipping time and duties charges lol |
| 04:41.15 | T7g | At times I thought I had dead pixel but I think that was just me imagining it, no DP, no mic issues, (FM radio was shit, but bluetooth works great with wiimote), and no reboots at -all- |
| 04:42.10 | gtessier00 | mic was one of my concerns :S its a dice toss... but well, i think it was just a batch of defect N900... mobilecityonline just received a new stock, I hope that i won't have problems! but let's not think about it !! haha |
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| 04:43.05 | T7g | ehh I saw some thread today with people havnig complaints... |
| 04:43.30 | pupnik | hmm, it does not appreciate rmmod -f phonet |
| 04:43.40 | gtessier00 | what's that? rmmod -f phonet |
| 04:43.41 | T7g | it does not respect /forcefsck :P |
| 04:43.55 | gtessier00 | and whats /forcefsck haha |
| 04:43.57 | pupnik | playing with modules |
| 04:44.04 | gtessier00 | ahhhhhhh |
| 04:44.04 | gtessier00 | i wont play with them |
| 04:44.06 | gtessier00 | well... i think |
| 04:44.08 | gtessier00 | :S |
| 04:44.23 | pupnik | seems to be phone unit. i'd like to control that radio. |
| 04:44.33 | T7g | gtessier00, fsck is a linux filesystem checker program, /forcefsck is a file most distros test for to decide whether or not to force a file-system check |
| 04:44.46 | gtessier00 | oh alright |
| 04:44.53 | gtessier00 | so u guys know how to use C++ ? |
| 04:45.01 | T7g | nope |
| 04:45.25 | T7g | (for serious) |
| 04:45.37 | gtessier00 | and u use the terminal?? |
| 04:45.56 | T7g | yes that is much lesser of a strife |
| 04:46.52 | lantizia | BACK! |
| 04:46.54 | lantizia | KABAM! |
| 04:47.04 | lantizia | so anyway I'm going to do /var the same way now |
| 04:47.08 | lantizia | or is that a looony idea |
| 04:47.20 | nezb | ^ why not just repartition? |
| 04:47.33 | lantizia | explain |
| 04:47.43 | T7g | I tried to earlier |
| 04:47.46 | lantizia | if I can put rootfs on eemmc then thats fine |
| 04:47.54 | pupnik | if they find something that can be done with just shell commands, one could make a .deb out of it |
| 04:48.00 | gtessier00 | how long does your battery last guys ? on a normal day |
| 04:48.04 | T7g | read this-> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35122&page=7 (really really good) |
| 04:48.07 | lantizia | a day lol |
| 04:48.11 | T7g | or not cause you don't mind reflashing |
| 04:48.11 | pupnik | 4-10 hours |
| 04:48.19 | gtessier00 | not bad for the hardware thats in it |
| 04:48.46 | lantizia | T7g: and that explains what? |
| 04:48.57 | T7g | repatitioning |
| 04:49.13 | gtessier00 | 4-10 hours :| |
| 04:49.14 | T7g | there's a list of commands that is good to study |
| 04:49.23 | lantizia | looks a little unfinished |
| 04:49.36 | lantizia | lots of people arguing, etc etc... I'll wait for a wiki page |
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| 04:49.51 | T7g | worked for me, I now have a 2gb vfat and an XXgb ext3 |
| 04:49.59 | pupnik | if i'm not using it much, it lasts all day |
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| 04:50.15 | T7g | here's the battery crap |
| 04:50.16 | lantizia | T7g: ok well give me what you tried (exactly) and I'll repeat |
| 04:50.16 | gtessier00 | cant wait to get itttttttttttttttt |
| 04:50.25 | T7g | if you use wifi, it pulls the wifi current even when you turn it off |
| 04:50.35 | T7g | you have to shutdown/reboot after using wifi to turn the radio off (I hear) |
| 04:50.36 | gtessier00 | I also ordered a proporta 3400mAh turbocharger LOL to have enough battery |
| 04:50.45 | gtessier00 | yeah i also heard that |
| 04:51.00 | T7g | I do it, and I can say it probably is true |
| 04:51.09 | gtessier00 | thats not a big concern |
| 04:51.27 | T7g | it's a 15x battery increase if you don't pay attention tho :P |
| 04:51.40 | T7g | or decrease, I should say |
| 04:52.46 | lantizia | is there a proper guide on this repartitioning business? |
| 04:53.01 | T7g | yes sir, the page I showed you :p |
| 04:53.07 | lantizia | thats not a guide |
| 04:53.10 | T7g | if you have no fear of brick then sir this guide will work |
| 04:53.13 | lantizia | it's a bunch of people "wondering" |
| 04:53.18 | T7g | I can help you, ehh |
| 04:53.32 | T7g | pm me or somethin' gotta paste lots |
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| 04:59.26 | Arkenoi | how do i force maemo application to dump core on crash? ulimit -c does not seem to work |
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| 05:04.04 | type_t | since we are "wondering" many things i'll guess. its probably not possible since the binaries are stripped. and so on.. |
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| 05:10.01 | odinm | help how do i use "sudo" it does not seem to take my root password (that works over ssh) |
| 05:10.23 | odinm | maybe i try ssh loopback |
| 05:11.27 | luke-jr_ | odinm: does your user have sudo perms? |
| 05:11.54 | luke-jr_ | also, by default, sudo takes the *user's* password, not root's |
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| 05:15.28 | oldtang | hi |
| 05:15.36 | oldtang | anyone? |
| 05:16.16 | luke-jr_ | nope |
| 05:16.30 | gtessier00 | hello oldtang |
| 05:16.33 | oldtang | hi |
| 05:16.40 | oldtang | nice to meet you all |
| 05:16.45 | gtessier00 | nice to meet you |
| 05:17.02 | oldtang | I meet a problem, I can't run maemo examples |
| 05:17.13 | oldtang | gt, where are you from? |
| 05:17.21 | gtessier00 | i'm from canada |
| 05:17.22 | gtessier00 | and you |
| 05:17.27 | oldtang | china |
| 05:17.44 | oldtang | did you run maemo 5 examples? |
| 05:17.44 | gtessier00 | great |
| 05:18.14 | gtessier00 | no I'm not an expert :S you should ask someone else here, but people may be sleeping haha |
| 05:18.16 | odinm | oh how do i give my user perm to use sudo with any command or can i make /bin/su suid to use it? |
| 05:18.49 | oldtang | thanks any way |
| 05:19.25 | oldtang | my hellworld on maemo is just successful, I am still a binginner |
| 05:19.55 | oldtang | odinm, i don't know either |
| 05:20.44 | odinm | the exec /bin/su is busybox haha |
| 05:21.42 | odinm | or is there a good gui text editor? |
| 05:21.59 | luke-jr_ | odinm: visudo, rtfm |
| 05:22.38 | odinm | the thing u think about the you decide to travel with N900 at least i go somewhere hot away from this snow |
| 05:25.29 | oldtang | vim is very good |
| 05:25.34 | oldtang | and very powerful |
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| 05:25.42 | Arkenoi | updated recorder crash bug with straces |
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| 05:27.43 | odinm | vim is downloading 21mb yikes hope its optified |
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| 05:28.47 | oldtang | where do you want to use it? windows xp or N900? |
| 05:28.57 | luke-jr_ | odinm: there may be another smaller vim pkg? |
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| 05:32.27 | odinm | gainroot? can see it in sudoers; how do you exit vim w/o save? |
| 05:33.06 | odinm | rootfs still has 21mb left after vim install heart attack |
| 05:34.02 | luke-jr_ | :q |
| 05:34.11 | luke-jr_ | why did you just install vim if you don't know even the basics? |
| 05:34.46 | oldtang | I am using vim, it is very powerful |
| 05:34.50 | oldtang | haha |
| 05:35.08 | odinm | i normally use joe |
| 05:35.11 | T7g | gosh I hate vim, I like nano.. |
| 05:35.19 | T7g | QUEUE THE EDITOR WARS!!! |
| 05:35.30 | odinm | have used vim b4 seem so easy from pc workstation |
| 05:36.10 | odinm | that it Im "apt-get install emacs" |
| 05:37.09 | odinm | hmm 3.5g gone only 2g now r u all there? |
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| 05:37.13 | oldtang | vim can be used like IDE, do whatever you want |
| 05:39.15 | odinm | oh vim uses same cmds as "vi" so sorted now |
| 05:40.24 | odinm | ah good not lost cellular connection while traveling |
| 05:40.49 | luke-jr_ | I use kate, nano, and vim |
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| 05:41.52 | odinm | oh u can only xterm once? i want one root and one user to test |
| 05:42.23 | T7g | no |
| 05:42.28 | T7g | go to application menu |
| 05:42.30 | microlith | I can't get vim to work properly |
| 05:42.38 | T7g | next to clock/battery odinm |
| 05:42.38 | oldtang | why? |
| 05:42.40 | microlith | doesn't register arrow keys or enter key properly |
| 05:42.45 | luke-jr_ | fwiw, Maemo's terminal is not xterm.. |
| 05:42.45 | T7g | then go to new |
| 05:43.12 | T7g | wat he said, use the one from the devel repo |
| 05:43.21 | T7g | or wait no |
| 05:43.28 | T7g | shit, just use the ez to get one |
| 05:43.39 | microlith | you can get multiple terminals going |
| 05:43.48 | odinm | hmm gainroot opens a subshell busybox but its not root |
| 05:43.59 | Arkenoi | tried apt-get install gcc, surprisingly enough it is not there :-( |
| 05:44.01 | T7g | odinm do sudo gainroot? |
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| 05:44.59 | odinm | thanks that works (weird it did now warn me) |
| 05:45.41 | odinm | s/now/not/ |
| 05:45.56 | type_t | it should have said busybox is real busy and You are Not Root!.. |
| 05:47.07 | odinm | ok thanks all maybe another odinm installment for yous all laters |
| 05:48.14 | type_t | odinm what are you up to still making your custom user environment? |
| 05:48.24 | odinm | oh yes i found "new" in xterminal app menu |
| 05:49.09 | type_t | still hating busybox? |
| 05:49.18 | odinm | ha thats good have lost cellular signal for a moment and no disconnect |
| 05:50.39 | odinm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:51.36 | odinm | i just wanted to make sure i have root access to device (so i can fix/mess with stuff while i away) |
| 05:51.44 | odinm | thanks again all |
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| 06:19.46 | Macer | omfg |
| 06:20.08 | Macer | i can connect to the pptp vpn. i can login ... i can ping the router's ip xxx.100 but i can't ping xxx.1 etc |
| 06:20.12 | Macer | what the hell! argh! |
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| 06:27.05 | redeeman | if an access point supports "WMM-APSD (Automatic Power Save Delivery)", is that good enough for the N900, it does it have to be PSM? |
| 06:28.18 | type_t | Macer xxx.100 is the router and who is xxx.1? |
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| 06:31.16 | type_t | BBNS is having a bad connection .. he keeps droping out and in... |
| 06:33.47 | type_t | <---Flaging BBNS as he comes in for a landing .. i hope he cathces the cable this time... |
| 06:35.19 | gtessier00 | LOL |
| 06:35.47 | Macer | sorry |
| 06:35.55 | Macer | type_t: xxx.1 is a box on the lan |
| 06:36.04 | Macer | wired box on the same subnet of the vpn |
| 06:36.39 | Macer | maybe i should see if i can get tomato on this thing because now i can't even connect to the vpn tethered |
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| 06:53.05 | greenfly_ | vtopic |
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| 07:06.45 | Corsac | mpf, no ip nor ifconfig? |
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| 07:30.10 | Corsac | ha, $PATH problem :) |
| 07:30.18 | Corsac | hmhm, what exactly is mail for exchange? |
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| 07:32.36 | melmoth | Corsac: something that will snchornise local data with a remote server (presumably an exchange thingy) |
| 07:32.48 | melmoth | mail, calendar and i guess contacts |
| 07:33.05 | Corsac | I wonder if it's an exchange-only proprietary stuff or a commercial name for something using standard stuff |
| 07:33.26 | Corsac | I mean, stuff like imap+caldav, something like that |
| 07:33.46 | melmoth | exchange-only proprietary stuff |
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| 07:34.43 | Corsac | ok |
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| 07:38.54 | lucent | the N900 Ovi store situation still has me apprehensive |
| 07:39.05 | lucent | it's almost nothing to do with Maemo though |
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| 07:50.56 | Corsac | hmhm, is the cert manager really managing certificates? |
| 07:51.00 | Corsac | I can only list them, not add one |
| 07:51.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | Corsac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_Server |
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| 07:52.36 | Stskeeps | jebba: think gitorious was messed up last night |
| 07:52.36 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer51: there's nothing about âmail for exchangeâ there |
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| 07:54.13 | brobostigon | good morning all. |
| 07:54.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | Corsac: Well on a site about exchange it's presumably called "mail" |
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| 07:55.27 | brobostigon | i have brought myself a n800 for christmas, on my main machine i have aiccu to give me ipv6, and it means whatever i am connected to i get ipv6, can i run something like aiccu on maemo, to do something similer? |
| 07:58.11 | timeless_mbp | anyone here have Tear or some other browser installed? |
| 07:58.13 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ? |
| 07:58.38 | Stskeeps | laying over at the desk, but i can't recall if i uninstalled it |
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| 07:59.26 | timeless_mbp | but you could get it back? |
| 07:59.36 | timeless_mbp | 7174 needs testing |
| 07:59.46 | timeless_mbp | i need to know if the fonts available in Maemo suck (not unlikely) |
| 08:00.02 | timeless_mbp | or if we just didn't configure our browser for our sucky fonts |
| 08:00.18 | timeless_mbp | actually, i guess since xterm works, there has to be some |
| 08:01.58 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer51: âmail for exchangeâ looks like something specific, it would have been mentioned by that name |
| 08:02.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | Corsac: the word "mail' appears 45 times on that wikipage |
| 08:02.30 | Corsac | ok, give up :) |
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| 08:03.45 | timeless_mbp | brobostigon: so.. there's very little ipv6 support in maemo1..5 |
| 08:05.00 | brobostigon | timeless_mbp: this is maemo 4.1 |
| 08:05.07 | brobostigon | timeless_mbp: diablo |
| 08:05.14 | timeless_mbp | brobostigon: which is somewhere between 1 and 5, right? |
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| 08:05.43 | brobostigon | timeless_mbp: so do i give up now? |
| 08:05.59 | timeless_mbp | you don't have ipv4 service available? |
| 08:06.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | Corsac: "" . Exchange's major features consist of electronic mai "" |
| 08:06.28 | brobostigon | timeless_mbp: i do, but things like my irssi screen and that stuff, is ipv6 only. |
| 08:06.45 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: the certificate thing lets you remove certs you've added |
| 08:07.07 | timeless_mbp | the ui you use to import certificates comes from the same thing |
| 08:07.18 | timeless_mbp | you just trigger it from the browser or file manager |
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| 08:10.39 | timeless_mbp | so, re ipv6 |
| 08:10.48 | timeless_mbp | surely you can provide an ipv4 tunnel |
| 08:11.41 | brobostigon | timeless_mbp: i would need an app like aiccu to do that, to router ipv6 properly over ipv4. |
| 08:11.50 | timeless_mbp | probably |
| 08:11.53 | brobostigon | to route* |
| 08:12.02 | timeless_mbp | note that ssh probably supports ipv6 |
| 08:12.10 | timeless_mbp | so your probably is getting the ip address bound |
| 08:12.51 | timeless_mbp | are you really trying to run ipv6 irc server? |
| 08:13.38 | timeless_mbp | personally, i'd just get a basic ipv4 address which can reach another computer and use ssh to cross that bridge |
| 08:13.38 | brobostigon | timeless_mbp: i am just trying to make the n800 ipv6 capable, so i can use some of my current stuff that are ipv6 only. |
| 08:13.47 | brobostigon | ok. |
| 08:13.48 | timeless_mbp | and then screen+irc |
| 08:13.57 | Stskeeps | brobostigon: http://www.ist-anemone.eu/index.php/Maemo_IPv6_howto |
| 08:14.23 | timeless_mbp | wow! http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-weekly-200827-200951 |
| 08:14.56 | brobostigon | Stskeeps: that is a dead page. |
| 08:15.06 | Stskeeps | brobostigon: er, no |
| 08:15.12 | Stskeeps | works here |
| 08:15.23 | brobostigon | Stskeeps: doesnt here. |
| 08:15.40 | Stskeeps | well then you need to fix your censorship firewall |
| 08:15.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:15.41 | brobostigon | oh well, i will try google's cache |
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| 08:19.22 | brobostigon | i could write a script, to setup the tunnel manually. |
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| 08:23.00 | brobostigon | could something like http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/IPv6_startup_script work? |
| 08:23.37 | wnd | brobostigon, diablo can do autoconfig, so if you have a 48-prefix you could just run radvd on the server (as long as you load ipv6 module) |
| 08:25.19 | brobostigon | wnd: like i have on my router at home already, pretty much. but what about when i am around and about, at the router that is providing my ip on said wifi doesnt do ipv6, this is why i will need an ipv6 tunnel. |
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| 08:31.28 | scorpius_ | anyone knows when the nokia E900 will become available??? |
| 08:32.17 | brobostigon | ok, thank you for the advice and help all, |
| 08:32.25 | ifreq | you prob mean n900.. and in which ways? its been avail for weeks now. |
| 08:32.42 | scorpius_ | no I mean the E900 "E"! |
| 08:33.03 | lucent | E900 looks like some photoshop hype job |
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| 08:33.12 | siriusnova | oh god i have way too many phones |
| 08:33.23 | siriusnova | :< |
| 08:33.58 | lucent | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/nokia-e900/ |
| 08:34.18 | scorpius_ | I want the E900 or I keep my 5 year old one. |
| 08:34.22 | lucent | I mean.... no Y key? |
| 08:34.31 | lucent | that's so amateurish |
| 08:34.37 | Arkenoi | wants a slightly bigger keyboard and screen, clamshell design and aluminium case. but who cares? |
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| 08:35.34 | lucent | scorpius_: "E900" is a case of fanboy fail |
| 08:35.42 | rohanpm | where is it even claimed that the E900 exists? |
| 08:35.50 | edgar2 | is there any evidence whatsoever that the e900 is anything more than a photoshop mockup by tabletui.wordpress.com? |
| 08:36.03 | Arkenoi | there isn't any |
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| 08:36.11 | lucent | rohanpm: link I provided has the "mockup" by some idiot who forgot to include the YHB column of a keyboard |
| 08:36.17 | lucent | totally laughable. |
| 08:36.19 | edgar2 | exactly. |
| 08:36.38 | scorpius_ | right, but HTC is able to put a 4.5" screen; motorola is able to put a 4 line keyboard intoits droid with a thinkness of only 12mm. I won't get the N900, seeing that other manufacturers can engineer a phone |
| 08:36.39 | lucent | apologies to the idiot if they are here amongst us |
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| 08:36.48 | lucent | try better next time when you use photoshop. |
| 08:37.05 | thresh | it's wazd i think |
| 08:37.49 | lucent | scorpius_: so, you own an HTC, a motorola droid, and you're complaining about not getting an N900? |
| 08:38.06 | lucent | send some of that money my way this christmas, yikes |
| 08:38.24 | scorpius_ | lucent: no I am not owning a htc or a droid |
| 08:38.35 | lucent | then what are you going on about? |
| 08:38.56 | lucent | the N900 is a sweet little mobile computer :) |
| 08:39.20 | lucent | I played chess on it today at work with a co-worker, and he needed to check his bank account with a full web browser |
| 08:39.25 | lucent | nobody else's phone could do it |
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| 08:41.10 | scorpius_ | no, n900 the engineers were mentally absent. see the droid and the htc ofwhat can be done. |
| 08:41.28 | moo-_- | scorpius_: don't buy n900 if you don't like it |
| 08:41.38 | lucent | ^^^^ exactly |
| 08:41.44 | moo-_- | scorpius_: but complaining here about mentally absent engineers is not very productive |
| 08:42.01 | scorpius_ | no need to say, since that is what I am going to do, not buy the n900 |
| 08:42.13 | lucent | moo-_-: not to mention mentally absent photoshop mock-up artists har har |
| 08:42.17 | scorpius_ | moo: I am just comparing |
| 08:42.27 | lucent | missing a whole row of keys... that's making my day so much brighter. |
| 08:42.47 | siriusnova | the n900 really needs a firmware update or two |
| 08:42.50 | siriusnova | to replace my Nokia 5800 |
| 08:42.51 | siriusnova | :/ |
| 08:43.00 | siriusnova | ovi maps 3.0 is amazing |
| 08:43.03 | siriusnova | esp for driving |
| 08:43.16 | thresh | n900 needs more people doing stuff |
| 08:43.19 | lucent | siriusnova: I'm itching to get signed up for Ovi store whenever that gets figured out |
| 08:43.21 | thresh | and less complaining on channels |
| 08:43.22 | thresh | ;P |
| 08:43.27 | lucent | hopefully before the rebate deadline (ugh!) |
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| 08:43.41 | siriusnova | here google maps falls flat on its face, ovi maps 3.0 is really the only way I can drive to all these towns in the desert |
| 08:43.42 | siriusnova | its amazing |
| 08:44.20 | lucent | awwe, I want! so you have ovi maps 3.0 for your Nokia 5800, I take that to mean? |
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| 08:44.48 | siriusnova | yes |
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| 08:45.14 | siriusnova | id swap out my 5800 for my N900 if Nokia updates Ovi Maps and makes the N900 a bit more stable |
| 08:45.34 | siriusnova | say what you want about symbian but atm its a rock solid device |
| 08:45.37 | siriusnova | its my main phone / satnav / driving around Saudi Arabia in the middle of nowhere phone :P |
| 08:45.39 | lucent | totally bumming about the Ovi store situation for N900 :/ |
| 08:45.49 | lucent | not even an official announcement |
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| 08:49.17 | lucent | siriusnova: you have stability issues with N900 and Maemo? |
| 08:49.25 | siriusnova | yes |
| 08:49.33 | siriusnova | rebooting etc.. |
| 08:49.36 | lucent | interested in that, what kind of thing |
| 08:49.54 | siriusnova | the phone likes to reboot itself occasionally |
| 08:49.54 | siriusnova | esp using the browser |
| 08:50.13 | lucent | I've found that Flash causes problems |
| 08:50.20 | lucent | no flash, no problems yet |
| 08:50.38 | lucent | phone reboot I haven't seen yet! |
| 08:50.43 | siriusnova | also the N900's HSPDA is a tad bit unoptimized |
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| 08:50.57 | siriusnova | it sucks down battery life like crazy |
| 08:51.06 | siriusnova | :/ |
| 08:51.19 | siriusnova | its an awesome device no doubt |
| 08:51.22 | siriusnova | it puts my HTC Hero to shame |
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| 08:51.32 | siriusnova | but its not "stable" yet |
| 08:51.32 | siriusnova | kind of in early adopter mode |
| 08:51.32 | siriusnova | :p |
| 08:51.46 | lucent | ha. I heard someone complain about the high price, they wanted a freerunner because it was cheaper |
| 08:51.57 | Stskeeps | oh de |
| 08:51.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:51.59 | Stskeeps | ar |
| 08:52.34 | siriusnova | so atm i walk around with 4 phones |
| 08:52.34 | siriusnova | hahaha |
| 08:52.36 | siriusnova | i have too many :X |
| 08:52.55 | lucent | yeah, do you need that many? |
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| 08:54.14 | siriusnova | Nokia 5800 as my main phone / satnav, dash mounted gps, Nokia N900 as my interneting email phone, a HTC Hero (Android) for fiddling around on when my N900's battery dies, and a N85 in my back for emergency backup incase im stuck in the middle of nowhere |
| 08:54.15 | siriusnova | hehehe |
| 08:54.20 | siriusnova | lucent yes :( |
| 08:54.49 | siriusnova | because each phone i have does one thing well |
| 08:54.49 | siriusnova | lol |
| 08:54.49 | siriusnova | not everything |
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| 08:54.59 | lucent | oh maybe you aren't joking about middle-of-the-desert |
| 08:55.35 | siriusnova | i have to drive all over the place in the middle of the desert |
| 08:55.35 | siriusnova | for work |
| 08:56.13 | siriusnova | also over here there are 3 phone companies and each company has different signal strenghts in different regions |
| 08:56.26 | siriusnova | so i have 3 sims :P |
| 08:56.40 | lucent | ah. that's for work, makes sense now that I read this |
| 08:56.43 | lucent | :) |
| 08:57.18 | siriusnova | :( |
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| 08:57.22 | siriusnova | hehe |
| 08:57.36 | Xisdibik | bah, who broke Vulture's Eye |
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| 09:05.43 | xorAxAx | it is possible to use iphone headsets for the n900, right? |
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| 09:06.33 | granden | how do 8 change alarm signal in maemo 5? |
| 09:06.38 | bigbrovar | I observed that Unlike gnome, kde DE and even the windows and symabian OS, most maemo 3rd party applications dont respect the systemwide proxy settings. Only one that do are some of the core systems apps like web, application manager etc. |
| 09:07.47 | granden | s/8/I |
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| 09:09.14 | bigbrovar | On must LInux platform there is the enviroment file located in /etc which ( among many other things) announces the systemproxy to 3rd party applications ( or so am told) same file is missing in /etc on my N900. am trying to see if i can create it. because my school is behind a network proxy and internet aware 3rd party apps like mauku or gpodder etc never connects |
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| 09:10.21 | suihkulokki | bigbrovar: IIRC on maemo proxy settings are set in gconf, using the same setting keys as in gnome. If 3rd party apps are not using them, bugs should be reported against them. |
| 09:12.55 | bigbrovar | suihkulokki: so if i add my proxy settings to my wireless profile, it is updated to some gconf settings yeah? |
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| 09:13.58 | suihkulokki | bigbrovar: yes |
| 09:14.31 | bigbrovar | suihkulokki: the funny thing is an app like gpodder which is a gtk app as a way of working in both gnome and kde, it manages to detect the kde and gnome systemwide proxy, but fails to connect on mameo .. I have reported the issue to affected 3rd party apps |
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| 09:15.02 | bigbrovar | suihkulokki: but it seems must devs i spoke to dont even know how to get their apps to work with proxy on mameo |
| 09:15.17 | ali1234 | the standard way of setting proxy is through an environment variable |
| 09:15.20 | ali1234 | both gnome and kde do this |
| 09:15.35 | bigbrovar | suihkulokki: You thing creating a enviroment file in /etc and exporting my proxy there wont help? |
| 09:15.57 | ali1234 | it doesnt have to be set in /env |
| 09:16.06 | ali1234 | there are many way to set environment variables |
| 09:16.36 | siriusnova | So anyway, anyone ever figure out how to hard reset a N900 back to factory fresh? |
| 09:16.46 | ali1234 | siriusnova: reflash the firmware |
| 09:16.55 | siriusnova | aside from reflashing |
| 09:16.57 | ali1234 | (both parts) |
| 09:17.01 | ali1234 | siriusnova: there is no other way |
| 09:17.06 | suihkulokki | bigbrovar: setting proxy in env variable is bad in first place, that would mean you need to reboot to change proxy setting |
| 09:17.08 | siriusnova | darn |
| 09:17.41 | Arkenoi | wonders if koffice displays embedded OLE vector pictures from visio correctly - did anyone try that on a desktop version? docs2go fails completely, OOo does it quite good yet far from being perfect |
| 09:18.06 | bigbrovar | suihkulokki: right now am in a situation where if rebooting to have to change proxy is the con for getting 3rd party apps connect to the internet .. then I will die happy |
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| 09:19.13 | bigbrovar | siriusnova: OMweather, mystory,mauku,gpodder,AP news ( all from the top of my head) alll dont connect to the internet |
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| 09:19.33 | PaulFertser | bigbrovar: i think that generally all apps respect "http_proxy" environment variable. |
| 09:19.50 | PaulFertser | bigbrovar: same is true for libcurl etc. |
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| 09:20.23 | PaulFertser | bigbrovar: and no, changing an env variable doesn't require reboot. |
| 09:20.29 | bigbrovar | PaulFertser: thank, so creating enviroment file in /etc and exporting http_proxy should work? |
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| 09:21.03 | suihkulokki | PaulFertser: no reboot.. if you just use xterm |
| 09:21.05 | PaulFertser | bigbrovar: unless something else will unset the variable, yes. You need to ensure that env file is sourced by somebody. On debian systems that is done automatically. |
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| 09:21.26 | PaulFertser | suihkulokki: one can re-login without rebooting too. |
| 09:21.38 | ali1234 | in other words, creating some random file in /env wont do a damn thing |
| 09:21.45 | ali1234 | because maemo wont look for it |
| 09:21.55 | suihkulokki | PaulFertser: not on maemo. and re-login is annoying too. |
| 09:22.06 | ali1234 | there is no magical environment file that works on all distros |
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| 09:22.43 | PaulFertser | suihkulokki: i doubt it's too hard to re-login on maemo. One just need to know its rc scripts a little. |
| 09:22.55 | bigbrovar | ali1234: :S am doomed then lol |
| 09:23.00 | suihkulokki | I love this cult of workarounds. |
| 09:23.14 | ali1234 | bigbrovar: if you don't want to put in any effort to learn it, yes |
| 09:23.35 | bigbrovar | ali1234: dude am ready to learn .. what must i do |
| 09:23.53 | suihkulokki | instead of fixing apps to read the gnome gconf setting people prefer to edit a random file somewhere and re-login everytime they need to change it :P |
| 09:23.58 | bigbrovar | ali1234: been raking my brain at this thing.. filing bugs taking to devs |
| 09:24.22 | suihkulokki | I thought the big deal of OSS is that you can actually fix things.. |
| 09:24.25 | ali1234 | ha ha my n900 crashed |
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| 09:24.56 | bigbrovar | suihkulokki: well I really cant force the hands of the devs, personally I feel all devs who dont consider proxy settings should be shouted at :p |
| 09:25.09 | ali1234 | yep |
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| 09:25.29 | ali1234 | but worse is when the OS is setting the environment up properly in the first place |
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| 09:26.20 | ali1234 | anyway, the correct way to fix this is to have hildon-launcher properly set up the environment before it runs an app |
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| 09:26.28 | ali1234 | that way you dont need to log out to get an updated env |
| 09:26.46 | ali1234 | you do need to quit whatever program, but that is probably unavoidable |
| 09:27.11 | ali1234 | this is assuming it doesnt already do this of course |
| 09:27.44 | bigbrovar | ali1234: guess there is just one way to find out .. |
| 09:28.03 | ali1234 | run xterm and type "env" |
| 09:28.09 | ali1234 | and look for HTTP_PROXY variable |
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| 09:30.11 | bigbrovar | ali1234: just tried that, as u can guess nothing about http_proxy |
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| 09:36.46 | woglinde | damn |
| 09:37.05 | woglinde | why arent my qtnx packages not in extras-testing |
| 09:37.23 | X-Fade | woglinde: When did you submit them? |
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| 09:40.43 | woglinde | hm do I have to promote them? |
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| 09:40.50 | woglinde | hi x-fade btw. |
| 09:40.58 | woglinde | args |
| 09:41.01 | woglinde | now I see the button |
| 09:41.06 | woglinde | sorry for noise |
| 09:41.41 | woglinde | x-fade will the deps promotoed automagicly? |
| 09:42.47 | X-Fade | woglinde: yes. |
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| 09:42.56 | X-Fade | woglinde: unless it is a user/* category dependency. |
| 09:46.11 | melmoth | i m lost with promotion to -testing too |
| 09:46.13 | fnordianslip | please test and vote for the new version of conky in extras-testing http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/conky/1.6.1-0maemo5-1.1/ |
| 09:46.22 | bigbrovar | ok guys .. creating a enviroment file in /etc and exporting my http_proxy seems to be a good work around, at least gpodder now connects to internet :D |
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| 09:50.10 | woglinde | hm promotion process hangs |
| 09:50.15 | woglinde | since 4 minutes |
| 09:50.48 | X-Fade | woglinde: can take quite a while. |
| 09:50.52 | fnordianslip | i find that stuff happens anyway, but the browser sits there looking stupid |
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| 09:51.03 | X-Fade | fnordianslip: Yeah, that too. |
| 09:51.14 | X-Fade | woglinde: Open another tab and check out your package's page. |
| 09:51.17 | granden | how do 8 change alarm signal in maemo 5? |
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| 09:58.13 | Shadikka | granden: Alarm clock -> Settings? |
| 09:58.47 | Shadikka | or w/e they actually are. Click on the "title bar" anyway when in the Clock/Alarms screen |
| 09:59.01 | Shadikka | and it should have Alarm settings or such. |
| 09:59.15 | granden | Damn, to easy. Thank you |
| 09:59.27 | Shadikka | np :) |
| 10:00.56 | pupnik | RST38h: can i make vgba write to alsa hw:0 ? |
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| 10:02.01 | woglinde | ~lart poor maemo.org performance again |
| 10:02.01 | infobot | slaps poor maemo.org performance again around with a large trout |
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| 10:03.04 | dmj726 | I've been loking around and I can't find anyway to organize videos in the media player. |
| 10:03.11 | dmj726 | Is there any way to do this? |
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| 10:03.35 | pupnik | not that i can tell dmj726 |
| 10:04.10 | dmj726 | hrm...now it's a big long list |
| 10:04.11 | konttori_nokia | wohoo, the SSU update was delayed today. Won't come before christmas. |
| 10:04.24 | timeless_mbp | konttori_nokia: because it sucks? :) |
| 10:04.38 | fnordianslip | eek. or is that good, for some reason that i don't know? |
| 10:04.41 | pupnik | ty konttori_nokia . btw have you tested sixaxis bluetooth? |
| 10:04.55 | Shadikka | dmj726: I only see "sort by date" and "sort by class" so no better organization there |
| 10:04.59 | dmj726 | is there any way to make it show by folder |
| 10:05.13 | Stskeeps | konttori_nokia: yay, christmas is saved for me ;) (i don't have to update Mer packages like mad over xmas) |
| 10:05.15 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer51: I know what exchange is, I do have outlook at work and I maintain evolution. What I don't exactly know is what 'Mail for Exchange' is. It seems you don't know either, but it's fine. |
| 10:05.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:05.20 | dmj726 | that's all i want, to be able to show just the folder |
| 10:05.22 | pupnik | dmj726: you old-fashioned media-organizing person... ;) |
| 10:05.30 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: in fact, just double clicking on a .crt file in the file manager will let you add it |
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| 10:05.42 | Corsac | I tried to add it directly from the browser but it didn't work, not sure why |
| 10:05.51 | Shadikka | dmj726: Well, at least you can open them from the file manager? |
| 10:05.59 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: hrm, well, i can't remember if we had browser working |
| 10:06.08 | timeless_mbp | i think there's a bug in browser |
| 10:06.10 | dmj726 | but can I make it play several in a row that way? |
| 10:06.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | Corsac: well I'm rather sure I understand what those three words mean |
| 10:06.23 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: thought the file manager is ok |
| 10:06.33 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: it worked fine with an opml file |
| 10:06.39 | timeless_mbp | certs are special |
| 10:06.45 | timeless_mbp | gecko has its own certificate manager |
| 10:06.49 | Corsac | yeah |
| 10:06.51 | timeless_mbp | so between that |
| 10:06.58 | timeless_mbp | and the fact that the mime type on crt files is often wrong |
| 10:07.02 | timeless_mbp | various bad things will happen |
| 10:07.11 | Corsac | but RSS app doesn't have an 'import feed' option, but double taping one in the file manager works fine too |
| 10:07.13 | Shadikka | dmj726: That I don't know. |
| 10:08.05 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: we're removing ui bugs by removing ui :) |
| 10:08.20 | Corsac | :)) |
| 10:08.29 | joppu | :D |
| 10:08.31 | Corsac | isn't that a GNOMEish thing? |
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| 10:09.27 | dmj726 | guess I'll just have to suffer through this. |
| 10:09.27 | Jaffa | Morning all |
| 10:09.27 | dmj726 | It seems to treat music just fine. |
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| 10:09.40 | dmj726 | It's the video management that's messed up. |
| 10:09.59 | dmj726 | If only the media player front end weren't closed. |
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| 10:10.14 | dmj726 | If it were open, I'd fix it in a heartbeat |
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| 10:10.45 | ali1234 | hmm |
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| 10:11.02 | Stskeeps | dmj726: is it in UI or in libraries? |
| 10:11.13 | ali1234 | so the other day i updated scratchbox sdk, now it says svn is too old to work with my working copy |
| 10:12.11 | timeless_mbp | ali1234: fun |
| 10:12.15 | dmj726 | The UI has no proper playlist or organization for videos |
| 10:12.31 | konttori_nokia | timeless_mbp, not because it sucks, but because of internal reasons. |
| 10:12.39 | ali1234 | timeless_mbp: yes, i have to wonder whether they intentionally downgraded it, or it's just broken |
| 10:12.54 | timeless_mbp | konttori_nokia: we ran out of the 12 days of christmas? |
| 10:12.57 | timeless_mbp | :) |
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| 10:13.49 | redeeman | if an access point supports "WMM-APSD (Automatic Power Save Delivery)", is that good enough for the N900, or does it have to be PSM? |
| 10:14.00 | red | dmj726: the UI is very lacking in every aspect regarding sorting :P |
| 10:14.11 | red | media that is |
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| 10:15.13 | dmj726 | as far as music goes, it's as much as I actually need. With respect to video...horrible. |
| 10:15.19 | redeeman | timeless_mbp: maybe you know? |
| 10:15.31 | timeless_mbp | i wouldn't know |
| 10:15.34 | timeless_mbp | wifi is not my area |
| 10:15.38 | red | well I really miss playing by folder :) |
| 10:15.54 | red | same would work for video too |
| 10:15.54 | Stskeeps | redeeman: WMM usually does the trick |
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| 10:17.51 | dmj726 | know of any beter n900 video players ye? |
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| 10:19.51 | pupnik | you coul write somemthing to switch which directory media player scans for your videos |
| 10:20.29 | timeless_mbp | so |
| 10:20.32 | timeless_mbp | for the record ... |
| 10:20.42 | timeless_mbp | Feed Reader *does* have UI for importing OPML files |
| 10:20.46 | timeless_mbp | it's just well hidden: |
| 10:20.51 | timeless_mbp | 1. launch feed reader |
| 10:20.56 | timeless_mbp | 2. tap the plus icon in the toolbar |
| 10:21.02 | timeless_mbp | 3. tap the import button |
| 10:21.06 | timeless_mbp | 4. good luck |
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| 10:21.39 | ali1234 | ah i see the problem, i used the svn from outside scratchbox one time |
| 10:21.47 | redeeman | Stskeeps: interresting, i cant seem to find any information on whether the N900 does support the WMM stuff, or if the WMM stuff is better than ordinary PSM |
| 10:21.52 | ali1234 | and it upgraded the working dir to 1.6 |
| 10:22.06 | redeeman | Stskeeps: but im looking at an accesspoint that claims to support WMM-APSD |
| 10:22.55 | Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Multimedia_Extensions |
| 10:23.17 | dmj726 | ah well...perhaps it's best just to write my own gui |
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| 10:25.50 | redeeman | Stskeeps: yes i already read that, it appears to describe what PSM does |
| 10:28.23 | pupnik | ali1234: pm |
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| 10:29.06 | OptX | are there any sources for psx4all ? |
| 10:29.06 | ali1234 | OptX: they are on github |
| 10:29.06 | ali1234 | but they are very out of date |
| 10:29.20 | woglinde | horray qtnx got promoted |
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| 10:30.26 | OptX | ali1234 you are the one that postet on youtube ? |
| 10:30.29 | timeless_mbp | that reminds me |
| 10:30.34 | timeless_mbp | i was supposed to complain about something |
| 10:30.34 | ali1234 | OptX: yes |
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| 10:31.18 | timeless_mbp | woglinde: ping |
| 10:32.02 | OptX | so when i go to github i will find somethng usefull ? |
| 10:32.17 | ali1234 | OptX: sort of |
| 10:32.23 | ali1234 | it needs some patching to work on maemo |
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| 10:33.10 | timeless_mbp | ali1234: you have an n900, right? |
| 10:33.14 | ali1234 | yes |
| 10:33.15 | OptX | was running not that bad on the youtube vid. |
| 10:33.21 | timeless_mbp | can you install stopish from testing for me? |
| 10:33.34 | ali1234 | sure. what does it do? |
| 10:33.51 | timeless_mbp | don't worry about that |
| 10:33.58 | ali1234 | lol |
| 10:33.59 | timeless_mbp | i just need you to reproduce something |
| 10:34.03 | timeless_mbp | once you've done that, you can uninstall it |
| 10:34.16 | timeless_mbp | it draws a bunch of Zeros |
| 10:34.21 | timeless_mbp | but i need to know how many |
| 10:34.23 | redeeman | "yes, i can reproduce it trashes the N900..." :) |
| 10:34.56 | ali1234 | does it matter that i have testing and devel enabled? |
| 10:35.03 | timeless_mbp | dunno |
| 10:35.12 | timeless_mbp | if the steps cause a different result, i'll look around |
| 10:35.17 | timeless_mbp | afaict it hasn't been promoted |
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| 10:36.16 | ali1234 | extras-devel failed to update again anyway |
| 10:36.31 | timeless_mbp | oh, devel, i thought you meant normal extras |
| 10:36.41 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, the system will work itself out |
| 10:36.55 | ali1234 | what section is it in? |
| 10:36.59 | ali1234 | or i have to use xterm? |
| 10:37.15 | timeless_mbp | i didn't use xterm |
| 10:37.53 | ali1234 | found it |
| 10:38.11 | timeless_mbp | Utilities! |
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| 10:38.54 | ali1234 | 00:00:00.0 |
| 10:38.56 | ali1234 | now what? |
| 10:39.02 | timeless_mbp | hold it in portrait |
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| 10:39.28 | ali1234 | 00:00:00 |
| 10:39.33 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 10:39.49 | timeless_mbp | i get 00:00:0 |
| 10:40.13 | ali1234 | i get 00:00:C (half a zero) very briefly before it reshapes |
| 10:40.30 | ali1234 | then everything shifts around |
| 10:40.42 | timeless_mbp | :( |
| 10:40.49 | timeless_mbp | so... i presume you aren't using droid fonts |
| 10:40.53 | ali1234 | nope |
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| 10:41.09 | timeless_mbp | it reshapes? |
| 10:41.13 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 10:41.21 | woglinde | timles_mbp pong |
| 10:41.22 | ali1234 | it's a pity it doesn;t reshape during the transition instead of afterwards |
| 10:41.31 | timeless_mbp | ali1234: maemo design bug |
| 10:42.03 | timeless_mbp | woglinde: nm, ali1234 did what i needed |
| 10:42.10 | timeless_mbp | ali1234: you can uninstall now |
| 10:42.18 | ali1234 | i'll keep it, seems a handy app |
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| 10:43.38 | ali1234 | it needs a "lap" button (freeze the time but keep running) |
| 10:44.01 | ali1234 | s/time/display/ |
| 10:44.10 | timeless_mbp | ali1234: that was the first thing i noticed |
| 10:44.16 | timeless_mbp | you can file that :) |
| 10:44.19 | timeless_mbp | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1158&atid=4340 |
| 10:48.28 | joppu | MultiTimer kicks Stopish:es ass :P |
| 10:49.37 | woglinde | hms |
| 10:49.41 | woglinde | nxproxy dies |
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| 10:52.00 | woglinde | args |
| 10:52.03 | woglinde | no xauth |
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| 10:52.36 | woglinde | args args |
| 10:52.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | moin woglinde |
| 10:53.27 | woglinde | damn |
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| 10:55.37 | woglinde | hm I will simply copy the debian xauth armel binary |
| 11:00.15 | Corsac | mpf, I suck at bugzilla duplicates search |
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| 11:09.14 | timeless_mbp | btw, Eurostar seems like a disaster :) |
| 11:09.48 | thresh | it's funny |
| 11:10.02 | thresh | those fancy trains do not work at relatively high temperatures |
| 11:11.20 | Robot101 | they work fine in the cold. they work fine in the warm. they break if you take them from the very cold to the quite warm quickly. :) |
| 11:11.39 | thresh | 0C isnt really 'very cold' :) |
| 11:12.27 | red | :p |
| 11:12.29 | red | indeed |
| 11:12.37 | red | 0C you dont even need a jacket yet |
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| 11:13.01 | red | been around -20C here past week and thats what I regard being cold |
| 11:13.01 | mavhc | is the warm underground? |
| 11:13.18 | thresh | red: exactly |
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| 11:13.51 | ali1234 | mavhc: yes, the warm was underground. plus the cold was more like -10C |
| 11:14.08 | thresh | seriously? it wasnt so in Paris |
| 11:14.21 | ali1234 | the entrance to the tunnel isn't in paris |
| 11:14.43 | red | when -30 its very cold, you know its very cold that even with proper clothing you dont really wanna spend any time outside :P |
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| 11:43.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, still banned from Android |
| 11:43.29 | Stskeeps | what'd you tell them? |
| 11:43.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:43.31 | Shadikka | Why's that? |
| 11:43.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | That's too much power for one stupidly named indian to have |
| 11:44.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I phonetically wrote the name some guy was proposing to call his kid, to illustrate its absurdity |
| 11:44.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It wasn't even mildly offensive |
| 11:44.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I sincerely hope his kid doesn't attend a school in the UK, *sigh* |
| 11:45.00 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Had to think long and hard about an indian-sounding name for my daughter that wouldn't get her decked by insensitive kids |
| 11:45.43 | Stskeeps | trust me, kids can turn any name :P |
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| 11:46.05 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah, but some are phonetically more entertaining than others |
| 11:46.23 | Gadgetoid_mbp | My partners surname, for starters, hur hur! |
| 11:46.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Sadly mine sucks too, so we're pretty screwed |
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| 11:47.35 | woglinde | haha |
| 11:47.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Anyway, one single entirely non sensical sentence threw him into a fiery rage |
| 11:47.58 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Stupid fscking coon! |
| 11:48.21 | rashed2020 | Gadgetoid_mbp: It IS his first kid, you know. You probably should've been a bit less offensive. |
| 11:48.37 | Gadgetoid_mbp | rashed2020: that WAS me being a bit less offensive... |
| 11:49.08 | woglinde | pissing his kid of whith a sucker name isnt quite fine |
| 11:49.18 | rashed2020 | So you think what you said wasn't offensive? Come on, now. |
| 11:49.42 | Stskeeps | just refer him to a boy named sue |
| 11:49.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | On my scale of offensiveness? it was akin to kissing babies and poking daises into the barrels of rifles |
| 11:50.11 | rashed2020 | Gadgetoid_mbp: So you would've said the exact same thing to your boss? |
| 11:50.35 | woglinde | time for #meamo-kids again |
| 11:50.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | If my boss were going to give his kid an absurdly stupid name? |
| 11:50.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Well, probably, once I'd stopped giggling |
| 11:51.00 | rashed2020 | No, I'm just saying that I think it was pretty offensive and I would've been pretty angry if that was my kid. |
| 11:51.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | If someone in the office said they were going to name their kid Skyler, for example, I'd die |
| 11:51.39 | Gadgetoid_mbp | woglinde: there's a maemo-kids? *gleee* |
| 11:51.41 | glass_ | you're a pretty easy guy to kill |
| 11:51.58 | woglinde | gadetoid did he name it after the xkcb sql injection? |
| 11:52.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Well, there is now! |
| 11:52.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Little timmy tables? |
| 11:52.35 | rashed2020 | If there's anything I've ever learnt from Scurbs it's that you never make fun of another man's kid. |
| 11:52.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Unless it's retarded |
| 11:52.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | In which case, it's fair game |
| 11:52.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I mean... come on! |
| 11:52.55 | woglinde | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/332365/xkcd-sql-injection-please-explain |
| 11:53.13 | rashed2020 | Gadgetoid_mbp: So all the names in the world have to sound fine in English? |
| 11:53.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Wow, someone needed to ask that question? |
| 11:53.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | rashed2020: Yes, if you're attending a non-private English school |
| 11:54.06 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Otherwise, you can call them Tittymcfee Ballsackfondler for all I care |
| 11:54.15 | rashed2020 | Yeah, but you don't know what school his kid is going to. |
| 11:54.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Neither does he, I'd play it safe |
| 11:54.41 | woglinde | that doesnt matter |
| 11:54.43 | rashed2020 | I'm not here to argue, I just think San is a nice guy and you offended him which is why what happened, happened. |
| 11:54.46 | rashed2020 | My two cents. |
| 11:54.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Call them Max Awesome or Superman Mansuper! |
| 11:54.52 | woglinde | with the false name you will be mobbed everywhere |
| 11:55.11 | Gadgetoid_mbp | What, like Dell tech support woglinde? |
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| 11:56.05 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I can't believe anyone needs an explanation for Timmy tables |
| 11:56.09 | rashed2020 | Gadgetoid_mbp: Now seriously speaking and I want you to be completely honest! |
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| 11:57.09 | rashed2020 | Gadgetoid_mbp: You honestly believe what you said is not offensive at all? I just wanna know what you think. |
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| 11:57.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | rashed2020: I just believe that on my scale of offensiveness, he got off pretty lightly |
| 11:58.22 | rashed2020 | Alright, fair enough. |
| 11:58.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But, then, I listen to radio shows where people bash each other, laugh at retards, talk about raping kids, and use the word "fuck" as a replacement for all punctuation |
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| 11:59.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And find them hilarious |
| 11:59.09 | thresh | finds it acceptable |
| 12:00.46 | Termana | Sounds like I missed out on something juicy |
| 12:00.47 | flux | docscrutinizer51, thanks for the hint on the bt-headset with plugin. got mine and it works great, no complains on sound quality either :) |
| 12:00.56 | rashed2020 | Gadgetoid_mbp: But you DO see where he's coming from, right? |
| 12:01.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: :-) |
| 12:01.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | rashed2020: Of course, I'm just bitching about it because I have nothing to do |
| 12:01.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The only thing I'd do in #android is link 'em to my article ;) |
| 12:02.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh wait... I should be working |
| 12:02.03 | rashed2020 | Hahaha |
| 12:02.13 | rashed2020 | I'll link them if you want me :P |
| 12:02.27 | red | this channel hasn't got the t mode on |
| 12:02.31 | red | just noticed :D |
| 12:02.36 | woglinde | red yes its know |
| 12:02.46 | woglinde | so everyone can set the topic |
| 12:02.58 | red | yeh, but thats kinda.. unusual :) |
| 12:03.02 | woglinde | and we are not on the ircnet |
| 12:03.10 | rashed2020 | Oooh I wanna append something! |
| 12:03.16 | rashed2020 | "Happy Birthday to me" |
| 12:03.18 | woglinde | and mods arent here the whole time |
| 12:03.27 | red | true, true |
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| 12:03.45 | Stskeeps | red: maemo community is much about trusting eachother, so :P |
| 12:03.46 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Happy Birthday! rashed2020 |
| 12:03.53 | rashed2020 | haha thanks. |
| 12:03.55 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You poor bastard... it's 4 days 'til Christmas! |
| 12:03.58 | woglinde | he stskeeps |
| 12:04.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Do you get one epic present? |
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| 12:04.13 | LuciusMare | ohai |
| 12:04.14 | red | Stskeeps: Trust no-one! |
| 12:04.18 | woglinde | stskeeps hm do you know about xauth and fremantle is it work? |
| 12:04.22 | red | I trust Mulder |
| 12:04.22 | rashed2020 | Gadgetoid_mbp: I do! N900 this year!! |
| 12:04.30 | woglinde | or do I have to set some xserver-options |
| 12:04.44 | Stskeeps | woglinde: no idea |
| 12:04.47 | pupnik | which one of you stole my female-female USB adapter? |
| 12:04.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Can't complain about that rashed2020! |
| 12:04.55 | pupnik | :) |
| 12:04.58 | woglinde | wonder how many n900's will be christmas presents |
| 12:05.02 | Termana | Stskeeps - especially don't trust red, what an absolutely idiot.... oh hai red over there, didn't see you there!!1!... lol j/k |
| 12:05.12 | LuciusMare | count me in,i am getting it for xmas |
| 12:05.13 | pupnik | wonders if he will finish his |
| 12:05.16 | LuciusMare | actually |
| 12:05.18 | LuciusMare | not as a gif |
| 12:05.18 | LuciusMare | t |
| 12:05.23 | Termana | pupnik - Sorry i stole your lesbians dude |
| 12:05.26 | LuciusMare | but it just ships the 25th |
| 12:06.03 | Termana | AND the adapter |
| 12:06.20 | Gadgetoid_mbp | my n900 was a sorta christmas present to myself |
| 12:06.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: it's me. you can't use it with N900 anyway |
| 12:06.47 | LuciusMare | n900 just rocks ^^ |
| 12:07.02 | Myrtti | *sigh* |
| 12:07.07 | LuciusMare | but the poor partitioning,only 2gibs for apps? |
| 12:07.09 | pupnik | hmm, i think we need to connect usb to pair PS3 controller |
| 12:07.13 | Stskeeps | passes Myrtti a christmas cookie |
| 12:07.31 | Myrtti | why do I look into this channel at the most inconvenient times |
| 12:07.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The Droid is disappointing :( |
| 12:07.57 | red | slaps Termana |
| 12:07.58 | Gadgetoid_mbp | goes to brush up on PHP FTP |
| 12:07.59 | red | rude :P |
| 12:08.11 | Termana | :O :P |
| 12:08.20 | red | Gadgetoid hf :p |
| 12:08.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Festive PHP! |
| 12:08.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | P.S: http://www.gadgetoid.com/2009/12/21/nokia-n900-versus-motorola-droidmilestone/ |
| 12:09.04 | adeus | my coworker just bought a droig |
| 12:09.12 | Stskeeps | Gadgetoid_mbp: PHP causes global warming |
| 12:09.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:09.18 | LuciusMare | your coworker bought a drug??? |
| 12:09.18 | adeus | after a day, the phone booted and the touchscreen stopped working : |
| 12:09.29 | adeus | *droid |
| 12:09.37 | Gadgetoid_mbp | adeus: was the volume rocker really loose and naff? |
| 12:10.03 | adeus | dunno |
| 12:10.08 | adeus | he sent it back |
| 12:10.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's a joke of a phone, to put it bluntly |
| 12:10.49 | adeus | we've had 3 motorola phones here |
| 12:10.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And I was under the illusion it was a Snapdragon powered one, for a while... I almost laughed when I heard it was clocked lower than the N900 |
| 12:11.01 | adeus | all broke within 24h |
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| 12:11.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The Droid I've got here is still fine, and the DEXT I had in was brilliant |
| 12:11.24 | adeus | we also have the Acer thing here |
| 12:11.35 | adeus | I think that has Snapdragon |
| 12:11.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Last Motorola phone I looked at before then was the A1000, and that was superb for a *bletch* Symbian UIQ phone |
| 12:11.45 | pupnik | hidd --server --nocheck -n is not finding New HID device 00:19:C1:xx:xx:xx |
| 12:12.27 | pupnik | is it better to succeed at being useless or fail at being useful? |
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| 12:20.44 | eitreach | Is it normal that my N900 only shows about 25gb of free space? |
| 12:21.54 | red | and you havent installed anyting big? or moved ur media into the phone? |
| 12:21.57 | ifreq | how it should be abnormal? |
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| 12:22.28 | woglinde | why is 25gb of freespace not enough |
| 12:22.45 | red | its normal when you have filled 7gb of your filesystem! |
| 12:22.51 | eitreach | This was when I had nothing installed on the phone. |
| 12:22.58 | pupnik | no |
| 12:23.13 | red | doesn't sound normal |
| 12:23.23 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hit details |
| 12:23.28 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And look at the "Total size" |
| 12:24.09 | red | or type "df -a" in the x term |
| 12:24.09 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:25.02 | pupnik | thank you Connor/Travan |
| 12:25.05 | lardman | morning |
| 12:25.18 | pupnik | for making 10 million people per day ask why their capacity is less than advertised |
| 12:25.26 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahaha pupnik |
| 12:25.36 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Not only that, but 2gb is reserved for app installs, yay! |
| 12:26.03 | flux | docscrutinizer51, actually I might need to revise that statement.. it seems to cut off the sound for a split second at times :/ |
| 12:26.07 | pupnik | that's pretty good, considering how well users handle space |
| 12:26.48 | woglinde | return yours n900 if you feel 25 gb is not enough |
| 12:26.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Or put a MicroSD card in it... |
| 12:27.42 | eitreach | Geez. I was just asking. |
| 12:28.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: I think that's caused by audio source, not headset |
| 12:28.12 | eitreach | If I was somehow missing something that could give me 7gb extra space, I wanted to know. |
| 12:28.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | so N900 here |
| 12:28.44 | flux | docscrutinizer51, well, I tried obviously with my N900, it produced the same stream to its audio jack properly |
| 12:28.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | eitreach: a MicroSD card |
| 12:28.51 | flux | docscrutinizer51, but I shall be following the situation :) |
| 12:29.20 | eitreach | gadgetoid_mbp, already using one. :) |
| 12:29.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | eitreach: you win! |
| 12:29.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: I tested the hs with outher BT sources. There were no or different issues |
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| 12:30.06 | red | What should I start with if I wanted to be able to connect into my N900 via SSH for wireless file transfer etc? |
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| 12:31.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: and on N900 I had the short dropouts really rarely. Always thought it,s caused by other tasks congesting the system for sort moment |
| 12:31.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | sHort |
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| 12:31.43 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Long cat is long |
| 12:31.50 | pupnik | red, installing openssh-server will start the ssh daemon on boot |
| 12:32.04 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Shees, not many people in #maemo-kids |
| 12:32.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I think someone was lying about that channel... |
| 12:32.19 | red | :) |
| 12:33.09 | flux | docscrutinizer51, well, I've had several in the last few minutes, but then again at times it seems to go for some minutes without any dropouts |
| 12:33.49 | mgedmin | so, latest Conboy: broken for everyone, or just me? |
| 12:34.07 | flux | a gapless player would be nice, though. any suggestions? can canola2 do it? |
| 12:34.17 | red | pupnik: installed & rebooted |
| 12:34.25 | mgedmin | red: why reboot? |
| 12:34.30 | mgedmin | this is not windows |
| 12:34.44 | red | guess I understood pupniks comment wrong :D |
| 12:34.45 | Termana | lol |
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| 12:34.53 | pupnik | i didn't check whether postinstall started the server, sorry |
| 12:34.59 | red | was thinking that myself but thought what the heck |
| 12:35.49 | mgedmin | ah, I understood pupnik's comment to mean "openssh starts automatically, as opposed to having to start it from the menu each time" |
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| 12:41.03 | Termana | I'm Maemo converting in the Android room :P |
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| 12:41.12 | LuciusMare | LOL |
| 12:41.25 | LuciusMare | ay ay ay |
| 12:41.39 | LuciusMare | i cant wait till i get my hands on it |
| 12:41.44 | LuciusMare | i never looked forward so much for chrismtas ^^ |
| 12:41.58 | ifreq | just converted one more @work |
| 12:42.02 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Working From Home == Being constantly roped into doing fucking household chores by a dumbfsck partner who doesn't understand the concept of WORKING |
| 12:42.15 | red | Gadgetoid_mbp: I know what you mean |
| 12:42.19 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 12:42.26 | red | --> never work at home |
| 12:42.34 | LuciusMare | --> never works |
| 12:42.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ha, all right for some |
| 12:42.44 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 12:43.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: maybe you can test the N900 with a different headset. And also the headset with different source. I would appreciate if you report back. I haven't tested mine with N900 thoroughly' but it worked fine with e.g. OMNIA |
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| 12:45.17 | Termana | he he he - some guy there wants to do programming ON a device. He said he was interested in getting a Droid to do it but no one could suggest an IDE. I told him to go Maemo so he could just cross-compile one. |
| 12:45.50 | Termana | LuciusMare: The guy that just said he wants to get away from Nokia |
| 12:46.33 | LuciusMare | i see |
| 12:46.40 | LuciusMare | but away from nokia means no maemo |
| 12:46.48 | LuciusMare | so that was the converted one? :D |
| 12:46.55 | Termana | I'm not even sure why you would want to be writing programs on the small keyboards - but he seems determined to |
| 12:47.16 | lardman | well sometimes you want to code on the move |
| 12:47.22 | lardman | though I'd use Python in that case |
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| 12:47.43 | LuciusMare | hehe |
| 12:47.53 | Termana_ | I got d/c |
| 12:47.57 | Termana_ | :| |
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| 12:48.13 | LuciusMare | why would someone want to coed on the move? |
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| 12:48.56 | Termana | code* |
| 12:49.14 | Termana | I don't know, especially with a tiny keyboard. But w/e I guess :P |
| 12:49.55 | xorAxAx | r.m.o is slooooowww |
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| 12:50.01 | lardman | better than nothing ;) |
| 12:50.17 | lardman | though yeah, I do prefer a proper kb and 3 screens to do my coding |
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| 12:54.12 | lcuk | LuciusMare, inspiration strikes at the oddest moments sometimes |
| 12:54.27 | lcuk | ive been known to just start coding in numerous places |
| 12:54.59 | Stskeeps | geek ;) |
| 12:55.06 | lcuk | indeed |
| 12:55.31 | lcuk | in amsterdam i was sat on the stairs in the hotel |
| 12:55.50 | thresh | by ur mum? |
| 12:56.27 | Myrtti | random |
| 12:56.34 | lcuk | no, fleshing out some code thoughts |
| 12:56.40 | lcuk | Myrtti, indeed |
| 12:57.44 | Termana | Still, hopefully I've convinced someone to come to the dark side. We have cookies. |
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| 12:59.58 | xorAxAx | the iphone headset works for n900, right? |
| 13:00.34 | Termana | xorAxAx: Doesn't it use the iphones dock connector?? |
| 13:00.52 | LuciusMare | uh |
| 13:00.59 | xorAxAx | no, a 4 contact jack |
| 13:01.20 | LuciusMare | hey,if you are already talking about the iphone |
| 13:01.28 | LuciusMare | i heard something that lets you control a TV |
| 13:01.44 | LuciusMare | it was a box with an IR led that connected to the port |
| 13:01.46 | LuciusMare | came with an app |
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| 13:01.53 | LuciusMare | any way of getting this on n900? |
| 13:02.06 | X-Fade | LuciusMare: There is an IR lef in the N900 itself. |
| 13:02.11 | X-Fade | *led |
| 13:02.16 | LuciusMare | lol |
| 13:02.18 | LuciusMare | Really? |
| 13:02.22 | LuciusMare | You gotta be kidding me |
| 13:02.33 | LuciusMare | I think i fell in love with it |
| 13:02.34 | X-Fade | yes, next to the camera button. |
| 13:02.41 | Termana | <Termana> |
| 13:02.41 | Termana | BUGabundo_work: I search on that turns up only an ebook. You just don't like it because Maemo is pwning Androids arse right now for his situation. |
| 13:02.47 | Termana | :P |
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| 13:02.52 | LuciusMare | awww |
| 13:02.54 | LuciusMare | so cute |
| 13:02.59 | LuciusMare | now,is there an app for that |
| 13:03.01 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 13:03.05 | Stskeeps | irrecco or something |
| 13:03.05 | X-Fade | irreco |
| 13:03.12 | LuciusMare | yay |
| 13:03.34 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: how's new hardware coming along? |
| 13:03.39 | LuciusMare | lets go on a pranking spree to the shopping centre ^^ |
| 13:03.39 | X-Fade | Although more tuning of the IR led might be in order as I don't get a lot of range. |
| 13:03.45 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 13:04.10 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Hope to get builder in place today or tomorrow. |
| 13:04.16 | LuciusMare | what do you mean by "not a lot of range" ? |
| 13:04.23 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: sounds good |
| 13:04.25 | LuciusMare | meters? |
| 13:04.31 | lcuk | hey X-Fade, i hear you have same bad weather over there as us |
| 13:04.36 | X-Fade | LuciusMare: 2 or 3meter was what I got when testing. |
| 13:04.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | irreco just needed a /etc/init.d/lircd start for me. Which I did a hour ago |
| 13:04.47 | LuciusMare | that is enough,i guess |
| 13:04.48 | jebba | Waiting for maemo.org... |
| 13:05.10 | LuciusMare | heh |
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| 13:05.21 | LuciusMare | lets plug the LED into the AC directly >:) |
| 13:05.28 | LuciusMare | I think that it would get enough power |
| 13:05.31 | LuciusMare | or blow itself |
| 13:06.06 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how much light sensitivity to normal light the recievers have |
| 13:06.31 | SpeedEvil | ponders if the LED flash pulsed at 38khz would do anyrthing |
| 13:06.35 | SpeedEvil | ( |
| 13:06.40 | SpeedEvil | if it can be |
| 13:06.41 | SpeedEvil | ) |
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| 13:07.06 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 13:07.19 | LuciusMare | do you think that replacing the LED with a "brighter" one would help? |
| 13:07.50 | Corsac | hmhm, seems that git.maemo.org has some ocsp problems |
| 13:08.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: evil hacker ;-D |
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| 13:08.55 | X-Fade | IR is quite directional in the device. |
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| 13:09.42 | flux | docscrutinizer51, I suppose I'll try with my laptop some time soon, but I need to upgrade my ubuntu first |
| 13:09.52 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: certainly |
| 13:10.02 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: however, that will void your warranty. |
| 13:10.14 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: Send me your device, and I'll try it. |
| 13:10.29 | X-Fade | Maybe a diffusing lens would help too ;) |
| 13:11.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | the IR quite probably is a IrDA module. Not easily replacable with a more efficient LED |
| 13:11.56 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: It is supposed to be real CIR. |
| 13:12.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: err help me out please. IR? |
| 13:12.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | CIR? |
| 13:13.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | custom IR? |
| 13:13.04 | X-Fade | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_IR |
| 13:13.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
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| 13:14.34 | ali1234 | if it is like any other omap chip the irda controller is in the soc and the hardware pin can also be switched to gpio |
| 13:14.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | so different wavelength. No or a stupid receiver... |
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| 13:16.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: where would I apply for a NDA (or a job ;) to get my fingers on the schematics? |
| 13:16.56 | Stskeeps | you might have to sacrifice a finger for that |
| 13:16.59 | Stskeeps | just look at lcuk ;p |
| 13:17.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | HAhaha |
| 13:17.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-P |
| 13:17.49 | SpeedEvil | wonders where I mail the fingers. Do I get firmware if I mail in 20? |
| 13:18.00 | Stskeeps | oh boy, what did i start.. |
| 13:18.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:18.20 | lcuk | its ok, nobody is pointing fingers @ you |
| 13:18.29 | suihkulokki | DocScrutinizer51: type maemo into the keywords: http://www.nokia.com/careers/jobs |
| 13:18.44 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Search for: OMAP35x UART/IrDA/CIR Module Reference Guide |
| 13:19.12 | SpeedEvil | How much - commercially - are schematics like this worth? |
| 13:19.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh. thanks to both of you :) |
| 13:19.32 | SpeedEvil | For example - what do I need to pay a company to strip the board and measure all the components |
| 13:19.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | ZERO? |
| 13:19.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah that way |
| 13:20.04 | Stskeeps | zero? |
| 13:20.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | roundabout 10000 |
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| 13:20.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe less |
| 13:21.02 | Corsac | hmhm, there's no public builds of modest? |
| 13:21.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | plus 3 to 5 devices |
| 13:21.15 | X-Fade | Corsac: SDK?????? |
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| 13:21.29 | Corsac | X-Fade: hmh? |
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| 13:21.41 | Corsac | (I meant the âdevelopment versionâ) |
| 13:21.42 | X-Fade | Corsac: Well at least modest is in there, no? |
| 13:21.44 | X-Fade | Ah. |
| 13:21.55 | Corsac | yeah sorry it wasn't very clear :) |
| 13:22.21 | Corsac | currently one has to wait for next firmware update or build packages itself, right? |
| 13:22.47 | Stskeeps | right |
| 13:22.50 | X-Fade | Corsac: Yes, basically. |
| 13:22.55 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure there's a 'unlocked' thing like in diablo |
| 13:23.01 | Stskeeps | there's a brainstorm about this, Corsac |
| 13:23.06 | X-Fade | Corsac: Unless you remove the SSU meta package and install it yourself. |
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| 13:23.30 | X-Fade | How I miss the old sardine ;) |
| 13:23.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you plan to start a document service ? :-P |
| 13:24.20 | LuciusMare | holy crap |
| 13:24.25 | LuciusMare | i have a ninja dog |
| 13:24.30 | LuciusMare | i threw it a toy on a couch |
| 13:24.51 | LuciusMare | he jumped,but didnt high enough,hit the couch,did three barell rolls in the air,and fell on legs |
| 13:25.00 | LuciusMare | i may mention that the couch is not more than half a meter high |
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| 13:28.42 | Corsac | X-Fade: I just wanted to check if I could test the modest packages before the nokia update |
| 13:29.04 | X-Fade | Corsac: You probably can, but a reflash is needed after you have done that. |
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| 13:29.17 | Corsac | i heard the update was due âbefore christmasâ but I'm not sure it'll be on time :) |
| 13:29.21 | Corsac | X-Fade: hmhm ok |
| 13:29.27 | Corsac | (firmware updates means reflash anyway?) |
| 13:29.33 | Corsac | (or will they be OTA?) |
| 13:29.39 | X-Fade | OTA |
| 13:30.01 | X-Fade | SSU == OTA, unless something changed which requires flashing. |
| 13:30.03 | Stskeeps | Corsac: someone mentioned earlier that update will slip |
| 13:30.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | suihkulokki: san diego. mountain view. WTF? |
| 13:30.29 | AndrewBlack | OK Stupid idea on not?...t.m.o Native app that is something like Tear(or other browser) with custom UI that had a menu with things like New Messages, Private Messages and all other menu options in it. Then I could remove Address bar and all and make t.m.o default page. Do a new t.m.o theme that removes the menu from my minimalist theme to give more room. |
| 13:30.32 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: maemo is quite a lot of diff places :P |
| 13:30.36 | red | Where should that home-ip app appear at? |
| 13:30.43 | red | It's not in applications, nor in widgets |
| 13:31.00 | Corsac | X-Fade: SSU is Standard Software Update? |
| 13:31.13 | X-Fade | Corsac: Seamless |
| 13:31.18 | Corsac | ok :) thanks |
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| 13:31.58 | red | guess it just doesn't work |
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| 13:32.08 | Corsac | red: I think it's /supposed/ to be a desktop widget |
| 13:32.20 | red | thats how I understood it aswell |
| 13:32.27 | Corsac | red: but it's installed here and it doesn't appear in the list |
| 13:32.33 | red | odd that a app that doesnt function at all is at testing and not in devel |
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| 13:33.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: so I wonder how they get done *anything*. Or - if they are such globalized and networked - why then mention a particular location at all? |
| 13:33.54 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: cos you rarely would like to relocate to finland. |
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| 13:35.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | I even less would like to relocate to mountain view. But for all I can tell it shouldn't matter if a sat on the moon for any maemo job then. Well except for the yw seconds lag |
| 13:35.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | 2 .seconds |
| 13:36.19 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: the other way is to do maemo related job at a subcontractor |
| 13:36.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's much better than relocate to san diego |
| 13:37.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wouldn't mind a 50% abroad time - as I did for TPE |
| 13:38.03 | Stskeeps | TPE? |
| 13:38.04 | red | hmm, I've installed openssh server, ps aux shows usr/sbin/sshd -D running |
| 13:38.15 | red | but attempting to connect to the phone gives connection refused |
| 13:38.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | but no permanent relocation to a different continent |
| 13:38.24 | red | any ideas? |
| 13:38.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | Taipei |
| 13:38.33 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:38.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | (OM HQ) |
| 13:39.02 | red | ssh localhost on the phone works atleast |
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| 13:39.07 | red | can connect as root to myself haha :) |
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| 13:39.27 | red | but why on earth does the connection get refused when I try from another machine? |
| 13:39.30 | melmoth | red i have the same issue when using my isp wifi routeur |
| 13:39.38 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Still no sign of X-Fade? (sorry I have been working) |
| 13:39.38 | anpr | hello guys, anyone from the UK and has few minutes ? |
| 13:39.48 | red | my pc is online via another phone (tethering) |
| 13:39.50 | fnordianslip | anpr: go for it |
| 13:39.55 | Stskeeps | RST38h: err, he was talking earlier. he's moving builder/repository i think |
| 13:40.03 | anpr | fnordianslip i got vodafone contract |
| 13:40.05 | X-Fade | RST38h: I'm here. |
| 13:40.10 | RST38h | Sts: aha |
| 13:40.12 | RST38h | X-Fade: ! |
| 13:40.16 | melmoth | red this is most probably due to some energy saving protocol thingy the details were too complex for me to remember |
| 13:40.16 | X-Fade | RST38h: Responded to your pm too. |
| 13:40.24 | X-Fade | RST38h: But you didn't respond back. |
| 13:40.25 | anpr | and i wonder if it's direct debit, will they take automatically money from my account |
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| 13:40.28 | RST38h | X-Fade: could you pelase check what happened with Speccy and VE promotions |
| 13:40.32 | anpr | or i have to pay my bills online ? |
| 13:40.42 | fnordianslip | anpr: that's the usual way |
| 13:40.45 | RST38h | X-Fade: Correct. I am currently at wor, and it has been very busy lately |
| 13:40.48 | red | melmoth: energysaving on the n900 so after i install openssh server it wont allow connecting to it? |
| 13:40.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: When did you promote those? |
| 13:40.52 | red | kay :l |
| 13:40.58 | RST38h | X-Fade: Thursday/Friday |
| 13:40.59 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: what did you do at OM, out of curiousity? |
| 13:41.05 | X-Fade | RST38h: ok, let me see. |
| 13:41.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~DocScrutinizer |
| 13:41.44 | infobot | well, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 13:41.44 | BluesLee | hi, i often get "missing python-runtime" when i try to install packages from testing/devel repo, can someone help? |
| 13:41.44 | RST38h | package names: vultures and speccy |
| 13:41.50 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:41.57 | melmoth | red https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3481 |
| 13:41.59 | povbot | Bug 3481: PSM Interoperability problem with Freebox ADSL Access Point |
| 13:42.02 | Stskeeps | is that something to be proud of? :p |
| 13:42.11 | Corsac | red: and there's no bugzilla component for homeip |
| 13:42.12 | fnordianslip | anpr: direct debit comes straight out of your account, with a variable amount. |
| 13:42.17 | melmoth | now, red, i have no clue if this is your problem too, but it sure looks like mine. |
| 13:42.23 | red | melmoth: I think I need to add the pc I want to connect into etc/hosts |
| 13:42.23 | Stskeeps | (that said, that FR gps did rock..) |
| 13:42.38 | red | want to connect from* |
| 13:42.43 | X-Fade | RST38h: -testing -> extras? |
| 13:42.55 | Corsac | melmoth: I can ssh from my laptop to the n900 using my freebox |
| 13:42.57 | red | Corsac: yeh.. well there was another widget that worked luckily |
| 13:42.58 | melmoth | name resolution issue should not lead to a connexion refused (but could make a prompt not appearing for a minutes) |
| 13:43.05 | red | freebox? |
| 13:43.06 | Corsac | red: how is it called? |
| 13:43.08 | RST38h | X-Fade: yep |
| 13:43.11 | melmoth | Corsac: lucky you, i cannot |
| 13:43.21 | red | Corsac: search for "ip" in the app install program |
| 13:43.29 | Corsac | red: freebox is the adsl/wifi box provided by Free/Proxad (french ISP) |
| 13:43.32 | red | ahh |
| 13:43.35 | Corsac | red: ok |
| 13:43.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: actually I'm proud of my contributions |
| 13:44.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: generall OM EE dpt. was abyssmal |
| 13:44.17 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ok, dir structure in extras dir doesn't look right. |
| 13:44.34 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: as long as you weren't involved with the microsd slot or the casing :P |
| 13:44.55 | melmoth | i need to ssh -R 7777 on the desktop (from the n900) first, then i can ssh -p 7777 localhost from the destop to itself to be on the n900 |
| 13:44.55 | red | what would be the syntax to add a IP address into the etc/hosts file? theres one line there at the moment which is "127.0.0.1 Nokia-N900-42-11 localhost" |
| 13:44.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 13:45.11 | red | just add the IP I want on the next line? can I use wildcards? |
| 13:45.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: casing is ME or ID anyway. Not EE |
| 13:45.52 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 13:46.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I kicked asses in that domain as well occasionally ;-P |
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| 13:47.30 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't have minded a s3c6410 based freerunner |
| 13:48.23 | RST38h | X-Fade: Is it fixable? =) |
| 13:49.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: there are exactly 3 of those on this planet :-D |
| 13:49.22 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: shame there aren't more |
| 13:49.39 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: some people should hook up with smartdevices and work out something.. |
| 13:49.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. OM decided to do suicide basically before MP started |
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| 13:51.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas Sean decidednot to disclose gta03 schematics :-((( |
| 13:51.31 | X-Fade | RST38h: yes, I think so. Just need to create the dirs and move the files in there and reindex. |
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| 13:53.46 | lardman | X-Fade: ! |
| 13:54.03 | lardman | X-Fade: I wonder if you could tell me who uploaded the fort77 package to diablo-extras? |
| 13:54.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | what?? lol |
| 13:54.34 | X-Fade | lardman: Search the extras-cauldron builds list? |
| 13:55.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | fort == FORTRAN ? O.o |
| 13:55.55 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: no, I was just wondering. |
| 13:55.56 | X-Fade | RST38h: Should look better now. |
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| 13:56.13 | lardman | DocScrutinizer51: FORTRAN, tyes |
| 13:56.16 | RST38h | X-Fade: checking... |
| 13:56.23 | lardman | X-Fade: I think it may be from a while back actually |
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| 13:56.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: context? |
| 13:56.50 | X-Fade | RST38h: Hmm need to wait before the repository is signed and synced. |
| 13:56.59 | X-Fade | RST38h: But locally it looks good now. |
| 13:57.00 | RST38h | X-Fade: Oh, ok... |
| 13:57.06 | lardman | DocScrutinizer51: the existing fort77 package doesn't depend on libf2c, which it ought to, so it breaks some builds |
| 13:57.08 | RST38h | X-Fade: Thanks, I will retry tonight |
| 13:57.21 | X-Fade | RST38h: But this has never worked it seems. |
| 13:57.22 | SpeedEvil | (01:23:53 PM) DocScrutinizer51: SpeedEvil: you plan to start a document service ? :-P |
| 13:57.23 | RST38h | X-Fade: BTW, there is another more difficult problem |
| 13:57.31 | lardman | heads home to avoid the icy hill |
| 13:57.35 | RST38h | X-Fade: You mean, promotions from testing to extras never worked? |
| 13:57.38 | RST38h | mm? |
| 13:57.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: aah |
| 13:57.44 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, non-free apps in Extras. |
| 13:57.51 | RST38h | Oh....worked before |
| 13:57.56 | X-Fade | RST38h: For fremantle at least. |
| 13:57.58 | RST38h | And VE is not even non-free |
| 13:58.09 | RST38h | X-Fade: I have multiple non-free apps in extras, they work |
| 13:58.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: And VE is in free |
| 13:58.26 | RST38h | (and it did not work |
| 13:58.28 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, but dir structure was messed up. |
| 13:58.34 | RST38h | Weird |
| 13:58.55 | RST38h | X-Fade: Anyway, here is a another problem |
| 13:58.55 | X-Fade | Copy paste error in config file. Which I have not touched since I set it up. |
| 13:59.17 | RST38h | X-Fade: FBreader depends on the zlibrary package |
| 13:59.52 | RST38h | X-Fade: I can mark zlibrary into "libs" group but then it does notupdate when users update fbreader via HAM |
| 14:00.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: I can mark it "user/libs", then it updates, but this is officially considered unkosher |
| 14:00.22 | X-Fade | Yes, library updates are a pain. |
| 14:00.39 | RST38h | X-Fade: little green elves are telling me that Debian uses user/libs for this kind of stuff |
| 14:00.39 | X-Fade | The only thing that pulls them in is when an app depends on the new version. |
| 14:00.54 | RST38h | but my app DEPENDS on the new version |
| 14:00.58 | RST38h | That is the funny stuff |
| 14:00.59 | X-Fade | RST38h: That won't work, because that is not allowed. |
| 14:01.07 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yea, so I heard |
| 14:01.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: See, FBReader package does depend on the new version but still it does not update |
| 14:01.32 | RST38h | checks |
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| 14:01.42 | X-Fade | RST38h: It should on promotion? |
| 14:01.54 | RST38h | yea |
| 14:02.06 | Jaffa | RST38h: Hang on, that'd mean that if app A depends on libfoo (>= 1) and app B depends on libfoo (>= 2); app B could be broken by HAM. |
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| 14:02.38 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Your app can conflict with <=2 too ;) |
| 14:02.58 | RST38h | Jaffa: only if app A conflicts with >=2 |
| 14:03.04 | anpr | guys have you heard about java on maemo ? |
| 14:03.04 | X-Fade | Basically you do >= for minor version upgrades. |
| 14:03.54 | Jaffa | RST38h: I mean something like: app A is created, libfoo v1 and A are promoted and installable. If HAM never updated even with a dependency on a newer version, than apt wouldn't like app B ever being installed, even if the new libfoo was in extras-* |
| 14:04.25 | RST38h | Jaffa: man, I am just a simple cow, do not put me into this dll hell =) |
| 14:04.56 | X-Fade | Repository management, not as easy as it seems at first sight ;) |
| 14:05.06 | lcuk | so microsofts dll hell was only one of the circles |
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| 14:06.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | and lib.so management even more fun ;-) |
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| 14:06.37 | lcuk | :( indeed |
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| 14:06.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | though basically it's eas. Given all devels obey best practice |
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| 14:14.50 | ManuelSE | i hope we can get food into extras |
| 14:15.12 | X-Fade | Well, I could use some right now :) |
| 14:15.28 | LeoD | me too |
| 14:16.56 | ManuelSE | im thinking a protocol to provide bluetooth advertisement for human services |
| 14:17.09 | ManuelSE | e.g. restaurant menu |
| 14:17.28 | ManuelSE | or a walking advert of the things you want to sell |
| 14:17.43 | ManuelSE | without central server |
| 14:18.08 | SpeedEvil | Remember the 'view illegal offers' checkbox. |
| 14:18.24 | jaska | heh |
| 14:19.32 | Corsac | hmhm, no x86_64 version of flasher-3.5? |
| 14:20.25 | melmoth | Corsac: you dont need one |
| 14:20.25 | melmoth | just install the 32 bit dependencines |
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| 14:20.43 | Myrtti | Corsac: I'm still using the older flasher |
| 14:20.57 | Myrtti | don't know if it works with N900 tho |
| 14:21.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Children, beware older flashers |
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| 14:21.29 | Myrtti | Gadgetoid_mbp: I've got an older device ;-) |
| 14:21.33 | RST38h | X-Fade, Jaffa: Folks, what if I make zlibrary user/other? |
| 14:21.44 | RST38h | Many non-executable components are marked this way |
| 14:21.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Ew Myrtti, far too much information! |
| 14:21.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: Then it is game over. |
| 14:21.59 | X-Fade | I will remove it from the repo then. |
| 14:22.03 | Corsac | melmoth: I know, it just means I'm forced to install all 32bits libs and can't install the .deb package |
| 14:22.05 | RST38h | Other option is to include it into fbreader |
| 14:22.09 | Corsac | which kind-of sucks :/ |
| 14:22.21 | mgedmin | RST38h, libraries in user/ are feeeeeh |
| 14:22.23 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: ping? |
| 14:22.30 | RST38h | X-Fade: Suggest some kind of solution then, other than "wait until Nokia fixes HAM in Harmattan" |
| 14:22.31 | X-Fade | RST38h: Are there other apps using that lib? |
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| 14:22.41 | RST38h | X-Fade: not that I know of |
| 14:22.43 | mgedmin | X-Fade, I think so, some kind of a game |
| 14:22.48 | Jaffa | RST38h: "user/library" is not a supported category |
| 14:22.51 | mgedmin | really a demo app of zlibrary |
| 14:22.55 | mgedmin | no serious apps |
| 14:23.00 | RST38h | MishaS mentioned that something else uses it though |
| 14:23.24 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, pong |
| 14:23.33 | X-Fade | RST38h: any new version of fbreader should trigger the upgrade then. |
| 14:23.33 | mgedmin | apt-cache rdepends libzlibrary |
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| 14:23.36 | Jaffa | RST38h: Does the "Depends: zlibrary (>= mybugfixver)" not work? |
| 14:23.36 | mgedmin | vbataxx |
| 14:23.41 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Have you had a chance to run maemo-org through the new theme maker? |
| 14:23.46 | RST38h | Jaffa: Does nnot seem to |
| 14:24.03 | X-Fade | RST38h: Then that needs to be looked into. As that really should work. |
| 14:24.06 | RST38h | Jaffa: I will recheck tonight, as I get home, that the dependency line is correct |
| 14:24.15 | RST38h | X-Fade: Will check |
| 14:24.15 | mgedmin | RST38h, did fbreader ever make it to extras? |
| 14:24.24 | mgedmin | wouldn't it be okay to say all -devel users to remove it and reinstall? |
| 14:24.28 | mgedmin | that should work, right? |
| 14:24.29 | RST38h | mgedmin: No. In fact, due to these update problems, I cannot even move to Testing |
| 14:24.33 | RST38h | Oh BTW |
| 14:24.33 | X-Fade | RST38h: Single upgrades of lib, no. But as dependency for another app, yes. |
| 14:24.56 | RST38h | X-Fade: In relation to FBreader again: can you include me as a maintainer for fbreader, zxlibrary and zlibrary-dev? |
| 14:25.01 | X-Fade | RST38h: You are really mixing up 2 issues. |
| 14:25.15 | RST38h | X-Fade: I applied, and asked Geometer to approve, but he cannot find the right button to do that |
| 14:25.41 | RST38h | X-Fade: In my case, it does not get updated as a dependency of fbreader. Nobody updates zlibrary separately. |
| 14:26.04 | X-Fade | RST38h: I'll approve you. |
| 14:26.27 | Jaffa | RST38h: If HAM doesn't upgrade zlibrary package with a depends line like that, that's cause to open a VERY high priority bug against HAM |
| 14:26.42 | X-Fade | Jaffa: it does. |
| 14:26.44 | fiferboy | RST38h: Has geometer said anything about how the 0.12 version porting is going? |
| 14:27.15 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, not yet I use windows at work and last I checked it wasn working on windows, I also couldn't get 1.2.5 or 1.2.6 to work on Linux either |
| 14:27.48 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, any certain question or problem you have with theme? |
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| 14:28.11 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Just the highlighting of selected items (like in list views and toggle buttons) |
| 14:28.27 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I really like the theme, and would use it all the time if that was working |
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| 14:29.21 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, Thanks I´m going to look into that today I was holding off fixing the uninstall bug until I get Highlightin working |
| 14:30.00 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Cool. If you need any help let me know |
| 14:30.22 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I could try running the source through 1.2.7 if you want - to see if the highlighting works |
| 14:31.56 | RST38h | fiferboy: He will work on it after NY holidays (i.e. after Jan 110 |
| 14:31.57 | RST38h | ) |
| 14:32.05 | AndrewBlack | I´ve got to fix a problem with address entry box on web browers but here is source if you want to try it on 1.1.7 for highlighting http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2240466/Maemo/maemo-org.png |
| 14:32.11 | RST38h | X-Fade: Thanks =) |
| 14:32.23 | fiferboy | RST38h: Good to know, thanks |
| 14:32.51 | ManuelSE | other devices might also be good, but i think N900 is best because it has the real linux |
| 14:33.06 | RST38h | fiferboy: I have tried compiling 0.12 myself but it needs implementing a few new zlibrary widgets like ZLProgressBar or something |
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| 14:34.27 | _claesbas | Anyone know where the files for Hermes is located? .. I managed to validate with my friends facbook account but I can't seem to change back to my account.. even after reinstall |
| 14:34.38 | fiferboy | RST38h: It like the library view doesn't use tap scrolling and tap scrolling is much simpler in reading view |
| 14:35.02 | RST38h | fiferboy: The latest version I uploaded has tap scrolling enabled and configured to be usable |
| 14:35.20 | RST38h | fiferboy: Both views support it too |
| 14:35.21 | mgedmin | _claesbas, you want to talk to Jaffa |
| 14:35.38 | RST38h | (in fact it is more of a problem in library view where you want to select books, not scroll :)) |
| 14:35.40 | fiferboy | RST38h: Yes, I am using it and it works. But it always seems so fiddly to select books in the library view |
| 14:35.45 | RST38h | yes |
| 14:35.50 | _claesbas | ok |
| 14:35.54 | RST38h | the book selection spots are too small |
| 14:35.54 | _claesbas | mgedmin, |
| 14:35.56 | _claesbas | ta |
| 14:36.03 | mgedmin | gave up on fbreader's library view for that reason, plus many others |
| 14:36.07 | jebba | awaits headers |
| 14:36.08 | RST38h | and if you miss them, it scrolls |
| 14:36.15 | mgedmin | a bit sad that the "add book" button doesn't fit on the toolbar anymore |
| 14:36.34 | RST38h | mgedmin: You can configure it in, but at the cost of some other button |
| 14:36.40 | mgedmin | yeah, I know |
| 14:36.49 | mgedmin | actually, can I configure it in ~/.FBReader? |
| 14:36.54 | RST38h | yes |
| 14:37.01 | RST38h | ui.xml I think |
| 14:37.01 | mgedmin | last few versions I tried, failed, ended up configuring it in /usr/share/..../toolbar.xml |
| 14:37.08 | mgedmin | hm |
| 14:37.12 | RST38h | no, ~/.FBreader is ok |
| 14:37.30 | RST38h | although... |
| 14:37.39 | mgedmin | well, I tried ~/.FBReader/toolbar.xml |
| 14:37.40 | mgedmin | not ui.xml |
| 14:37.43 | RST38h | hmm...no, I am afraid you cannot do it in ~/.FBReader |
| 14:37.45 | mgedmin | hah |
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| 14:37.49 | RST38h | Sorry |
| 14:38.10 | RST38h | it will always load /usr/share files first and when it gets to your ~ files, the toolbar is already filled with stuff |
| 14:38.13 | mgedmin | mapped a hardware key to open book, so it's fine |
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| 14:41.55 | fnordianslip | woohoo. i have a new central heating boiler. i can stop growing ice in my living room :) |
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| 14:43.01 | Gadgetoid_mbp | fnordianslip: I thought you said rice for a minute there |
| 14:43.34 | fnordianslip | Gadgetoid_mbp: well, with my macbookpro's dodgy keybd, i could forgive you for thinking i said that |
| 14:44.00 | mgedmin | ManuelSE, don't ask questions and run away before we can answer! |
| 14:44.05 | Gadgetoid_mbp | How's the harvest? |
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| 14:44.14 | gtessier00 | Good morning folks |
| 14:44.16 | Gadgetoid_mbp | mgedmin: Don't talk to people who aren't here... |
| 14:44.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's a little bit creepy |
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| 14:45.32 | fnordianslip | Gadgetoid_mbp: my harvest is melting, which is good :) |
| 14:45.32 | Gadgetoid_mbp | can i stop joinparting it keep parting |
| 14:45.54 | mgedmin | Gadgetoid_mbp, well, there are IRC logs; people may read answers to them said when they were offline |
| 14:45.54 | mgedmin | it's not inconceivable |
| 14:45.54 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Of course it is! |
| 14:46.00 | wazd_n800 | heya all |
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| 14:49.51 | jebba | waiting for headers |
| 14:49.53 | mgedmin | wazd_n800, congrats! |
| 14:50.03 | mgedmin | so why are you still irc'ing from the n800 then? ;) |
| 14:50.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | wazd_n800: Welcome. To the fold. |
| 14:50.17 | Gadgetoid_mbp | n800 is better, obviously |
| 14:50.25 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's a whole -100 better |
| 14:50.36 | wazd_n800 | just kidding, ofcourse no n900 for me :D |
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| 14:52.37 | Corsac | I'm a bit lost with âfeature requestsâ not being tracked in bugzilla. What's that brainstorming about? |
| 14:52.49 | Stskeeps | gives wazd_n800 a n900 cookie |
| 14:53.03 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, :D |
| 14:53.23 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: back from countryside ye? |
| 14:53.24 | Stskeeps | t |
| 14:53.39 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, in progress) |
| 14:53.42 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:53.43 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: What do you use for theme background? |
| 14:54.16 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, you can just use the default on for this test build. Joopu did the maemo-org bg for me and I need to get it from him |
| 14:54.29 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Gotcha |
| 14:54.38 | fiferboy | wazd_n800: Hiya |
| 14:54.54 | wazd_n800 | fiferboy, hey |
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| 14:55.24 | fiferboy | wazd_n800: Has your DDP device been delivered to its final destination? |
| 14:55.41 | wazd_n800 | fiferboy, in progress |
| 14:55.57 | mgedmin | it is an epic saga |
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| 14:56.11 | wazd_n800 | fiferboy, its path is too complicatted) |
| 14:56.35 | gtessier00 | I want to receive my n900 :( |
| 14:56.35 | fiferboy | wazd_n800: What country is it going to? |
| 14:56.50 | Stskeeps | ar, i was going to sign up for ddp.. |
| 14:57.02 | Stskeeps | kept on pushing it forward |
| 14:57.08 | wazd_n800 | fiferboy, we will pickk it up in st. petersburg after ny and send it too Belarus with vlad |
| 14:57.43 | fiferboy | Stskeeps: Is DDP over? |
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| 14:57.53 | Stskeeps | fiferboy: i think deadline for signing up was today |
| 14:57.55 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.04 | Stskeeps | not sure though |
| 14:58.05 | fiferboy | :( |
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| 14:59.05 | RST38h | wazd: Doesn't vlad have a loan unit? |
| 14:59.19 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, he has |
| 14:59.30 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, summit |
| 14:59.46 | jebba | no longer waiting for headers! |
| 15:01.37 | LuciusMare | er |
| 15:01.47 | LuciusMare | can N900 record video with sound? |
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| 15:02.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | If your microphone works, ha! |
| 15:02.20 | LuciusMare | ok |
| 15:02.24 | LuciusMare | and what about the MMS case? |
| 15:02.31 | wazd_n800 | LuciusMare, only with piano soundtrack and captons |
| 15:02.34 | LuciusMare | is there an app for that? *appleshaped bubble* |
| 15:02.40 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ROFL wazd_n800 |
| 15:02.44 | jebba | LuciusMare: the video recorded by the camera is unbelievably good. |
| 15:02.50 | LuciusMare | yes |
| 15:02.59 | LuciusMare | i just read a versus with the ifone |
| 15:03.02 | LuciusMare | *iphone |
| 15:03.06 | Gadgetoid_mbp | dun dunlalun dingalingalingalinga linga! "The daring moustached stranger dashes to he rescue" |
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| 15:03.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Anyone comparing the N900 to the iPhone is a fucking idiot |
| 15:03.18 | LuciusMare | and there was "iphone: video recording with sound, n900: video recording" |
| 15:03.19 | LuciusMare | i know |
| 15:03.21 | Gadgetoid_mbp | The iPhone is a feature phone |
| 15:03.26 | LuciusMare | i know,hell |
| 15:03.35 | LuciusMare | i hate it,too |
| 15:03.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I love it, but it's a featurephone and nothing more |
| 15:03.46 | LuciusMare | i just couldnt find the specs in a nice table |
| 15:03.51 | Gadgetoid_mbp | It's the best damned featurephone ever created |
| 15:03.56 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But it's NOT A SMARTPHONE!*@(&!* |
| 15:04.09 | RST38h | really? |
| 15:04.11 | wazd_n800 | how can you determine it? |
| 15:04.20 | LuciusMare | waves |
| 15:04.20 | ShadowJK | Some say it's not a smartphone because it has a touchscreen |
| 15:04.29 | LuciusMare | okay,stop that,iphone sucks,we know it |
| 15:04.32 | wazd_n800 | what's the difference |
| 15:04.32 | LuciusMare | or iphone rocks,you suck |
| 15:04.36 | LuciusMare | depending on your opnion |
| 15:04.42 | LuciusMare | so,can n900 do mms? |
| 15:04.46 | ShadowJK | nope |
| 15:04.47 | glass_ | hehe |
| 15:04.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Anything with a capacitive touchscreen is not a smartphone, capacitive is a disease |
| 15:04.49 | wazd_n800 | no |
| 15:04.55 | Myrtti | some say it's a multimixer. Some say it's a game device. All we know, is he's called the SMARTPHONE |
| 15:04.56 | jebba | Failed to fetch http://osso.stage.dmz/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Could not connect to osso.stage.dmz:80 (10.5.1.102). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 15:04.58 | suihkulokki | there is as many defintions of smartphone as there is analysts.. |
| 15:05.01 | jebba | trying to build my package |
| 15:05.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Most modern smartphones, the ones with capacitive input, are simply feature phones |
| 15:05.16 | suihkulokki | I mean they even count blackberry as a smartphone |
| 15:05.44 | Gadgetoid_mbp | they have a strong emphasis on usability, and are quite clearly targeted at your average joe consumer |
| 15:05.56 | wazd_n800 | wow, battery died almost insttantly in the street) |
| 15:05.58 | fnordianslip | jebba: had that happen to me. just resubmit your package again and hope for the best |
| 15:06.20 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Whereas good ole Windows mobile you need a degree in tibetan monk waterfall meditation to not throw at a wall within 10 minutes of using it |
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| 15:07.01 | thomasvs | any idea why talk on maemo.org thinks that I'm a bot (and spells the message wrong) ? |
| 15:09.12 | Jaffa | thomasvs: Ask X-Fade |
| 15:10.32 | X-Fade | Jaffa: No -> ask the talkmaster ;) |
| 15:10.42 | jebba | fnordianslip, uh huh. Man, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much wasted energy waiting for foobar servers. |
| 15:12.01 | fnordianslip | jebba: yep, i just did a dput again a while later and it worked. there was a whole run of fails just after mine too. |
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| 15:14.20 | LuciusMare | oh oh oh |
| 15:14.47 | LuciusMare | is it possible to make an app,which would make the usb port master? |
| 15:15.04 | SpeedEvil | It is unclear |
| 15:15.10 | LuciusMare | i mean,then i would connect a microusb>female A-usb cable and i could connect everything i want,like a flash disk |
| 15:15.12 | SpeedEvil | It's not simple. |
| 15:15.16 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 15:15.17 | SpeedEvil | That certainly won't work |
| 15:15.21 | LuciusMare | aw aw |
| 15:15.26 | SpeedEvil | you at least will need a source of power. |
| 15:15.27 | LuciusMare | why? |
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| 15:15.33 | SpeedEvil | There isn't one. |
| 15:15.33 | LuciusMare | Hm |
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| 15:15.40 | LuciusMare | microusb does not recieve power? |
| 15:15.52 | LuciusMare | if it can recieve,it can be modified so it will give power! |
| 15:15.58 | SpeedEvil | Also - there have been conflicting statements as to the USB port. The current status is that nobody has done it. |
| 15:16.00 | SpeedEvil | err - ... |
| 15:16.06 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, I'm gonna read brief course "How to become Blender Pro in 30 seconds" :) |
| 15:16.07 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, I missed the "talk" |
| 15:16.22 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: In the same way that a engine that uses gasoline can be converted to produce it? |
| 15:16.29 | LuciusMare | um |
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| 15:16.39 | SpeedEvil | wazd_n800: See Blendtek. |
| 15:16.56 | SpeedEvil | tec |
| 15:17.04 | wazd_n800 | SpeedEvil, not this blender :D |
| 15:17.04 | LuciusMare | bad comparsion |
| 15:17.09 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: that would work for an AC motor :) |
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| 15:17.12 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: it's actually not. |
| 15:17.18 | LuciusMare | engine that uses gasoline is like a CPU that uses electrcity |
| 15:17.21 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: I have designed this sort of stuff. |
| 15:17.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: hrhrrhrr |
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| 15:17.30 | LuciusMare | it of course cant |
| 15:17.31 | SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: you can't do what you're claiming is easy |
| 15:17.39 | LuciusMare | i dont say it is |
| 15:17.55 | SpeedEvil | It is utterly impossible - the hardware does not exist inside the phone. |
| 15:18.00 | SpeedEvil | (to supply power) |
| 15:18.12 | SpeedEvil | Without opening and voiding warranty of course. |
| 15:18.42 | Corsac | but does host mode really need to supply power? |
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| 15:18.52 | ali1234 | no, it doesn't |
| 15:18.53 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 15:18.56 | ali1234 | no |
| 15:19.00 | lbt | yes |
| 15:19.02 | Corsac | (for example, for cameras) |
| 15:19.03 | ali1234 | lolz |
| 15:19.07 | SpeedEvil | It needs to generate power if you want to simply plug it in. |
| 15:19.09 | Corsac | if it's self-powered |
| 15:19.13 | ali1234 | ok, it depends what you want to connect to it |
| 15:19.25 | SpeedEvil | OTG requires some power - it's not a large amount of power ~1mA IIRC. |
| 15:19.31 | SpeedEvil | But that isn't there. |
| 15:19.35 | ali1234 | OTG is nothing to do with host mode though |
| 15:19.49 | ali1234 | host mode is in fact a subset of OTG |
| 15:19.57 | lbt | is this just a debate or is there news on host mode? |
| 15:20.03 | ali1234 | no, no news |
| 15:20.07 | SpeedEvil | If it's self powered, and the n900 is in host mode, you may still need external power - if it works at all |
| 15:20.13 | lbt | ah, nm - ta |
| 15:20.25 | SpeedEvil | OTG is a standard introduced later than host mode - which contains host mode as one of its elements. |
| 15:21.04 | ali1234 | exactly, and as such, presence or lack of OTG does not indicate anything about presence or loack of host mode |
| 15:21.26 | SpeedEvil | needs to do more reading of the kernel drivers and poking at stuff. |
| 15:21.37 | lbt | AFAIUI OTG is about negotiated switching between host/client |
| 15:21.39 | SpeedEvil | Fundamentally. |
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| 15:22.19 | SpeedEvil | The SoC can switch between host and device mode. It uses the same two pins to do this. There appears to be no chip connected after the SoC before the USB port. |
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| 15:22.37 | ali1234 | then, host mode should work |
| 15:22.42 | SpeedEvil | Hence - it would seem - with the correct kernel drivers and poking of stuff, that you can put it in host mode. |
| 15:23.02 | SpeedEvil | You will usually need external power to use most devices. |
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| 15:23.23 | SpeedEvil | Of course, there may be hidden reasons why this doesn't work. |
| 15:23.44 | ali1234 | external power = a powered hub or self powered device |
| 15:23.48 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 15:23.49 | mgedmin | back in the 770 times people managed to do Stuff with external power injectors etc. |
| 15:23.51 | SpeedEvil | not quite. |
| 15:23.52 | ali1234 | yes |
| 15:23.57 | mgedmin | most powered hubs do not supply power to the upstream port |
| 15:24.08 | SpeedEvil | Some self powered devices require external Vusb to boot. |
| 15:24.15 | ali1234 | all correctly designed powered hubs do not supply power upstream; and this is not necessary |
| 15:24.29 | SpeedEvil | At least one printer, and one hub. |
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| 15:24.43 | SpeedEvil | would not talk at all without vusb. |
| 15:24.50 | SpeedEvil | self-powered hub |
| 15:25.02 | ali1234 | of course, if you have a powered hub, then even your broken self-powered device will work :) |
| 15:25.03 | SpeedEvil | though the hub would continue to talk if vusb was removed |
| 15:25.49 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, do you have a proper camera btw?) |
| 15:26.16 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, I need sharp photo of two screens near each other |
| 15:26.24 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: people tell me to buy a camera :/ |
| 15:26.26 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, n800 and n900 |
| 15:26.52 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, to test n900 ui's on n800 |
| 15:26.53 | Corsac | I could do n810+n900 but that wouldn't help you I guess? |
| 15:27.22 | wazd_n800 | Corsac, well, maybe this will do |
| 15:27.28 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, tried building it yet? |
| 15:27.32 | Milo- | wazd_n800 screenshot? |
| 15:27.44 | wazd_n800 | Milo-, photo |
| 15:28.21 | wazd_n800 | Milo-, their screenshots are identical |
| 15:29.44 | Milo- | ok |
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| 15:31.57 | Corsac | wazd_n800: I don't have it at hand so it'll wait tonight, is it ok? |
| 15:32.03 | Corsac | wazd_n800: what will you exactly need? |
| 15:32.13 | Corsac | a picture of both home screens, side by side? |
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| 15:33.11 | wazd_n800 | Corsac, sure, no rush |
| 15:33.29 | wazd_n800 | Corsac, well, two sharp enabled white screens in one shot woulld be perfect |
| 15:33.30 | lcuk | wazd_n800, like this: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG |
| 15:34.00 | Corsac | sharp enabled? |
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| 15:35.06 | wazd_n800 | Corsac, sharp shot, enabled screen :) |
| 15:35.06 | jebba | woglinde: i'm making 50G space (on fast scsi RAID!) for /scratchbox |
| 15:35.19 | wazd_n800 | lcuk, can't check it right now |
| 15:35.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/trends?q=n900+nokia%2Ciphone+3gs&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 hmm |
| 15:35.46 | lcuk | ahhh well its 2 n900s sidebyside with different content |
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| 15:38.57 | Corsac | wazd_n800: sure, then no problem, will do that tonight |
| 15:39.15 | rashed2020 | My brain is gonna explode |
| 15:39.21 | rashed2020 | My computer just doesn't want to flash my phone. |
| 15:39.22 | wazd_n800 | Corsac, thx alot |
| 15:39.32 | Corsac | wazd_n800: and you'd prefer a plain white screen, the home desktop, a webpage or an image, ⦠? |
| 15:40.00 | LuciusMare | yes |
| 15:41.40 | lcuk | Corsac, wazd_n800 ahhh i see what you want, you would be better with a grid pattern |
| 15:42.27 | tcarl|work | With luck, my N900 will show up tomorrow. |
| 15:42.31 | lcuk | or just total measurements of usable space |
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| 15:43.21 | toggles_w | tcarl|work: lcuk is personally delivering now? wow |
| 15:43.46 | wazd_n800 | Corsac, plain white |
| 15:44.10 | rashed2020 | Is there a 64 bit of the flasher? |
| 15:44.27 | rashed2020 | version of the * |
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| 15:44.37 | niqt | hi |
| 15:44.43 | Corsac | rashed2020: it seems not :/ |
| 15:44.58 | rashed2020 | :( |
| 15:45.00 | niqt | i hvae problem uploading my file in extra-devel |
| 15:45.05 | wazd_n800 | Corsac, I just need compared sizes to figure out aproximate resolution |
| 15:45.12 | rashed2020 | Ughhh... I need to find a work around |
| 15:45.55 | wazd_n800 | Corsac, like n800 = 800x480, then n900 = 720x384 for example |
| 15:46.27 | SpeedEvil | 0xffff is a flasher - which reportedly may syupport |
| 15:46.28 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba |
| 15:46.35 | Corsac | hmhm, but isn't n900 800x480 too? |
| 15:46.58 | lcuk | wazd_n800, dpi works |
| 15:47.09 | jebba | SpeedEvil: i just got an email from 0xFFFF guy this morning. Says it should work, but not certain yet. N900 support there. I'll try to test it later today. |
| 15:47.34 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember someone reporting success rearlier torday |
| 15:47.44 | lcuk | an easy guestimate is the internal windowed size of a normal 8x0 app is about the same as fullscreen on the 900 |
| 15:47.50 | jebba | be sure to grab the hg (mercurial) repo copy, as tarball definitely doesnt support it |
| 15:47.55 | thomasvs | X-Fade: who is the talkmaster ? |
| 15:47.59 | X-Fade | beware that flasher-3.5 also flashes mmc, modem etc. |
| 15:48.06 | X-Fade | thomasvs: reggie |
| 15:48.09 | jebba | hg clone http://hg.youterm.com/0xFFFF |
| 15:48.47 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Hmm, still no highlights after running through 1.2.7... |
| 15:49.50 | AndrewBlack | I´ve looked over my template and can´t find anything that would cause it, so I´m certain its a theme maker problem |
| 15:50.19 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Reflect used to have the same problem, but it was fixed in the latest version |
| 15:50.25 | tcarl|work | Think I'm odd, because I store my N900 development in Team Foundation Server? :P |
| 15:50.48 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, yep but Joopu didn´t do anything just buil it on 1.2.6 and they worked |
| 15:51.16 | fiferboy | I couldn't generate a deb package, so I copied the files over and deleted the gtk cache and did the hildon-theme-cacher thing |
| 15:51.35 | jebba | 0xFFFF has features that look enticing like: |
| 15:51.36 | jebba | -c console prompt mode |
| 15:51.36 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.36 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.36 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.36 | jebba | etc |
| 15:51.40 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Maybe it is something left over from the old version. I probably should have removed all the data files, rather than copy over them |
| 15:51.45 | Stskeeps | jebba: console prompt mode? hmm |
| 15:51.52 | red | anyone have info on spotify for n900? .p |
| 15:52.01 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, Kontorri always says to delete old folder first |
| 15:52.08 | fiferboy | Will do |
| 15:52.23 | jebba | i'll give it a test as soon as i have the new scratchbox space set up. |
| 15:53.56 | jebba | Stskeeps: 0xFFFF dev wrote: "im waiting for the n900, so i'll continue the development when i got it " can't wait ;) |
| 15:54.45 | Stskeeps | jebba: ah, console prompt is just interactive 0xffff |
| 15:54.54 | Stskeeps | -x is known, CAL |
| 15:54.58 | Stskeeps | -s is just to cold flash |
| 15:54.58 | jebba | ah |
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| 15:56.20 | Stskeeps | best thing people can do is to get serial access, tbh |
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| 15:58.17 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, if deleted only folder doesn´t work try building nuvo theme that comes with theme maker and see if highlight works on it |
| 15:58.45 | Corsac | mhmh, and is it just me or http://www.maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ doesn't load? |
| 15:58.48 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Will do, deleting the folder didn't work :( |
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| 15:59.18 | lantizia | Lo, on my N900 - finally sick of the default Media Player... any alternatives available? |
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| 15:59.38 | Corsac | âIt's not just you! http://maemo.org looks down from here. â |
| 15:59.40 | Corsac | ok, thanks :) |
| 16:00.43 | lantizia | maemo.org doesn't look very alive and kicking |
| 16:01.00 | tcarl|work | yeah. seems to be sad. |
| 16:01.09 | thresh | works here |
| 16:01.20 | tcarl|work | Someone needs to reset the internet. |
| 16:01.23 | tcarl|work | Just came back. |
| 16:01.28 | thresh | although a bit slow |
| 16:01.52 | mgedmin | in other news, water is wet |
| 16:01.58 | tcarl|work | I'm sure that garage.maemo.org is running at the speed of a glacial ice flow. |
| 16:02.03 | lantizia | Other media players?! anyone!? |
| 16:02.14 | tcarl|work | mplayer? :P |
| 16:02.17 | mgedmin | lantizia, there are several |
| 16:02.29 | mgedmin | I haven't seen one that would be obviously better than the builtin media player |
| 16:02.31 | lantizia | mgedmin: haven't seen any in the repo's... extras/testing/devel |
| 16:02.35 | jebba | woglinde: /dev/vdc1 50G 17G 33G 34% /scratchbox :) should do (marginally) faster writes now too, as i preallocated metadata. |
| 16:02.36 | mgedmin | canola 2 is shiny, but startup speed kills |
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| 16:03.29 | Corsac | nop, m.o doesn't work at all from here :( |
| 16:04.19 | fnordianslip | Corsac: try this page (and if it works, vote for conky) :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/conky/1.6.1-0maemo5-1.1/ |
| 16:04.34 | fnordianslip | it loads for me |
| 16:04.51 | lantizia | omg media player has picked up on a cover.jpg... AT LAST! |
| 16:04.59 | lantizia | but only one... maybe a size limit on the jpg? |
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| 16:10.42 | X-Fade | lizardo: ping? |
| 16:11.27 | The_Tall1 | Hi. How can i run my own bluetooth service using on the OS layer. PyBluez and advertise_service(), yes but where to put and how to run continously? |
| 16:11.33 | X-Fade | lizardo: The entry in downloads is now disabled, the only thing I need to check if it doesn't come back ;) |
| 16:11.38 | Corsac | fnordianslip: I didn't yet tried conky so I can't vote yet :) |
| 16:12.03 | fnordianslip | Corsac: No excuses now, you know where it is :) |
| 16:12.07 | Corsac | lantizia: vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7161 |
| 16:14.24 | lizardo | X-Fade: ok, tks! The pymaemo-optify 0.4 package in extras-devel has the Section: user/hidden trick, maybe the Downloads scripts took the description from there instead? |
| 16:14.39 | X-Fade | lizardo: Yes, it does. |
| 16:14.46 | lizardo | X-Fade: (BTW it will be removed from a future version) |
| 16:14.58 | X-Fade | lizardo: And don't use that section, as it is still visible in the uninstall tab. |
| 16:15.41 | X-Fade | lizardo: Although not supported now, it will in newer firmware. |
| 16:15.45 | lizardo | X-Fade: ok, but I just feel strange that Downloads takes packages from extras-devel ... isn't it too risky? |
| 16:15.56 | X-Fade | lizardo: It doesn't work like that. |
| 16:16.06 | lizardo | X-Fade: I mean, the descriptions |
| 16:16.24 | X-Fade | It fetches from the package interface. But there it updates too early. |
| 16:16.26 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: nuvo highlighting isn't working either. I'll try building with 1.2.6 |
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| 16:17.06 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, ok, atleast that tells me its a Theme Maker bug Joopu might have just goten luck his is working on Reflect |
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| 16:17.39 | lizardo | X-Fade: hmm, ok, I believe there's a problem if someone mistakenly adds the Section: user/* to a package that did not meant to have it, uploads it to extras-devel , then sometime later "regular" users start seeing the entry on the Dowloads page |
| 16:17.40 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: What version did you use to build maemo-org? |
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| 16:17.59 | X-Fade | lizardo: Will go away when you upload new version. |
| 16:18.40 | X-Fade | lizardo: But it will only work when your app itself is already in extras |
| 16:18.47 | X-Fade | lizardo: So not really that big of a deal. |
| 16:18.53 | lizardo | X-Fade: sure , but it may go unnoticed until you get the first comment from the Downloads page like "how do I use it?" (yes, it happened) |
| 16:19.17 | rashed2020 | What does it mean when the computer finds the phone when flashing then says |
| 16:19.17 | lizardo | X-Fade: ah, ok now I get the conditions |
| 16:19.18 | X-Fade | lizardo: Yeah, but still you promoted it to extras before it showed up. |
| 16:19.39 | rashed2020 | "Booting into flash mode" and then stays on "Suitable USB device not found" |
| 16:19.46 | lizardo | X-Fade: so we all need to be careful with what we upload to extras-devel, once there is some version in extras :) |
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| 16:20.22 | X-Fade | lizardo: Yeah for now, will fix it of course. |
| 16:20.52 | X-Fade | lizardo: But our biggest priority is getting things moved to the new hardware asap. As slowness is a big pain. |
| 16:21.26 | lizardo | X-Fade: agreed... I gave up using SVN regularly as I did before (I was using git-svn already so I commit things locally) |
| 16:21.32 | woglinde | jebba yes |
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| 16:22.18 | woglinde | hm I should build git-buildpackage for fremantle |
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| 16:24.21 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: highlighting works with 1.2.6 |
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| 16:25.28 | stevenhong | anyone use the double os in the n810? |
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| 16:27.22 | Corsac | stevenhong: Stskeeps |
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| 16:29.23 | qole | So I found a fix for my secondary Debian desktop on the N900! New versions of Easy Debian and the rootfs available... |
| 16:29.35 | Stskeeps | qole: cool :) |
| 16:30.20 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, works for maemo-org? |
| 16:30.37 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Just checking now |
| 16:31.00 | AndrewBlack | because I thought maemo-org was build using 1.2.6 last time |
| 16:31.00 | stevenhong | i use the tool for clone the system to the mmc.but when i use to mmc for boot. always tip failed. |
| 16:31.14 | stevenhong | i don't know how to do |
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| 16:32.45 | qole | The keyboard didn't work in the LXDE environment at all, but qobi wrote a little utility that fixed the window. |
| 16:32.51 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: No, it isn't working for maemo-org, but it looks like something weird happened when I replayed the postinst file |
| 16:33.13 | rashed2020 | Ok so now it gets stuck on the second boot screen :/ |
| 16:33.51 | AndrewBlack | wonder if - in theme name could cause any problems |
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| 16:35.47 | qole | hmm sure is quiet in here. |
| 16:35.50 | qole | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=435602#post435602 |
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| 16:37.54 | qole | weird, suddenly I see everyone... |
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| 16:38.39 | fnordianslip | even the dead ones? |
| 16:39.31 | Macer | ugh |
| 16:39.36 | Macer | i give up on dd-wrt as a vpn server |
| 16:39.54 | Macer | i think i am going to have to swap it out and just make a debian pptp server |
| 16:39.58 | mgedmin | could never make friends with any vpn |
| 16:40.11 | mgedmin | give me ssh and I'll behappy |
| 16:40.21 | ShadowJK | made friends with openvpn |
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| 16:44.19 | rashed2020 | Macer: Look up OpenVPN Access Server |
| 16:44.27 | mgedmin | I don't see how openvpn can make friends with DNS |
| 16:45.03 | rashed2020 | Ok seriously. Flashing is way more error prone then I think it should be. |
| 16:45.08 | rashed2020 | It just does NOT want to work. |
| 16:46.28 | ShadowJK | 64 bytes from h2 (xx.xx.xx.xx): icmp_seq=17 ttl=56 time=63873 ms |
| 16:46.33 | ShadowJK | 3g \o/ |
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| 16:47.33 | AndrewBlack | can´t figure out this Theme Maker Highlighting issue |
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| 16:48.41 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Taking out the "-" doesn't help |
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| 16:51.12 | AndrewBlack | I´m really not sure should work because source image is setup right, image is being sliced right, but something in gtk files is wrong or something is being installd wrong. |
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| 16:51.44 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: The gtkrc looks like it is refering to the correct images |
| 16:51.44 | qole | fiferboy: single photo chooser on your photo frame app needs to start in MyDocs |
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| 16:51.57 | fiferboy | qole: Duly noted |
| 16:52.15 | qole | fiferboy: thanks! |
| 16:52.28 | fiferboy | qole: Do you use single photo mode? |
| 16:52.45 | rashed2020 | Is the N900 the same for all regions? |
| 16:52.51 | rashed2020 | Hardware-wise. |
| 16:52.56 | cehteh | keyboards differ |
| 16:53.04 | rashed2020 | That's it? |
| 16:53.08 | cehteh | other specs are the same |
| 16:53.18 | rashed2020 | What about NOLO? |
| 16:53.20 | qole | fiferboy: I tried... it is stuck in /usr, I can't browse my photos. |
| 16:53.28 | cehteh | nolo? |
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| 16:53.36 | fiferboy | qole: Ah |
| 16:53.43 | BluesLee | hi |
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| 16:53.50 | red | why is flash terribly slow on maemo browser? |
| 16:53.52 | rashed2020 | Well, what I'm trying to figure out is if the phone allows me to flash roms from different regions. |
| 16:53.55 | BluesLee | does someone use maemo-mapper? |
| 16:54.09 | cehteh | dunno .. but prolly yes |
| 16:54.46 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, I´m out of ideas on how to fix it |
| 16:54.59 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I'll keep looking |
| 16:55.01 | red | youtube/embedded video playback is totally and utterly too low speed, let alone few simple flash games |
| 16:55.03 | mgedmin | used maemo-mapper on his n810 a lot; has it installed on his n900 and has run it a time or two |
| 16:55.27 | woglinde | mgedmin hm why not navit? |
| 16:55.29 | BluesLee | mgedmin: meamo-mapper seems to download all the maps to MyDocs/maps/Openstreetmap |
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| 16:55.40 | red | kinda kills the idea of having flash in a mobile browser in the first place doesnt it? |
| 16:55.43 | moo-_- | red: because it does not have 2 GHz x86 CPU |
| 16:55.56 | moo-_- | red: you need to design flash especially for mobile (think Flash Lite) |
| 16:56.01 | BluesLee | mgedmin: its seems to be possible to download it to an sqlite db |
| 16:56.04 | mgedmin | woglinde, navit was the closed map crap on the n810? it was crap, that's why not it |
| 16:56.15 | ShadowJK | Apparently americans didn't get powertop? |
| 16:56.15 | woglinde | mgedmin nope |
| 16:56.22 | red | since when did u need 2ghz cpu for youtube low quality playback |
| 16:56.26 | mgedmin | ShadowJK, yeah, I heard that somewhere |
| 16:56.29 | red | oh right, never |
| 16:56.36 | woglinde | mgedmin navit is freesoftware you only have to convert osm-maps for navit |
| 16:56.48 | BluesLee | mgedmin: but it refuses to download any maps to the db |
| 16:56.48 | woglinde | and then you can gps-rotuing |
| 16:56.58 | mgedmin | woglinde, ah, ok |
| 16:57.02 | mgedmin | does it use vector maps? |
| 16:57.09 | woglinde | no downloads of maps needed |
| 16:57.11 | woglinde | only one |
| 16:57.12 | BluesLee | woglinde: i also used navit on my freerunner and i was happy with it |
| 16:57.19 | red | moo-_-: just makes it feel like utterly redundant feature |
| 16:57.20 | BluesLee | woglinde: is it in the repos yet? |
| 16:57.22 | woglinde | blueslee yes |
| 16:57.32 | woglinde | blueslee I am working on it for fremantle |
| 16:57.38 | red | as its one of the big advertizement things |
| 16:57.41 | BluesLee | woglinde: ohh, i missed that |
| 16:57.42 | mgedmin | there's a proliferation of maps apps for maemo lately |
| 16:57.49 | woglinde | cp15 build some debs out of svn |
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| 16:57.57 | rashed2020 | Ugh.. I was hoping that's why it wasn't working so I'd just give up. |
| 16:57.59 | mgedmin | I remember installing some of them (roadGPS?), and being a bit disappointed |
| 16:58.01 | woglinde | but they have some mem alloc problem in the latest revs |
| 16:58.32 | woglinde | blueslee we are using navit in a customerproject |
| 16:58.39 | BluesLee | woglinde: i have a maps image for navit, which i mount |
| 16:58.48 | moo-_- | red: n900 is able to watch Flash pr0n streams from redtube.com, xhamster.com, youporn.com... you name it. How that could be useless??? |
| 16:58.53 | woglinde | blueslee sure |
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| 16:59.08 | BluesLee | woglinde: i used it on my freerunner, but i will also install it on the n900 if its available |
| 16:59.08 | woglinde | blueslee but maemo-mapper needs wifi to download maptiles |
| 16:59.13 | woglinde | and has no real routing |
| 16:59.20 | woglinde | as far as I saw it |
| 16:59.25 | BluesLee | i thought it has routing |
| 16:59.30 | woglinde | hm |
| 16:59.46 | BluesLee | there is a menue entry for it |
| 16:59.52 | ShadowJK | m.youtube has higher quality (more than qqqqqqqcif or whatever) these days. Too bad it redirects you to full youtube if it suspects you're within 100 miles of a flash-capable device |
| 17:00.01 | LuciusMare | ine Clock] [One Second Line Clock] [Manual Pulse Generator] |
| 17:00.02 | LuciusMare | oops |
| 17:00.04 | LuciusMare | misclick |
| 17:00.11 | woglinde | hm maemo-mapper? with route as text? |
| 17:00.12 | BluesLee | mgedmin: do you download your maps to a sqlte db? |
| 17:00.23 | mgedmin | I don't care where maemo-mapper stashes them |
| 17:00.36 | mgedmin | I care that it lest me download maps beforehand and then browse them when I'm offline |
| 17:00.51 | BluesLee | hmm, i care, as i dont want millions of maps or files on my device |
| 17:00.56 | mgedmin | I thought it used sqlite dbs, but then I once ran 'file openstreetmap.db' and got 'GDBM 2.x database' or something back |
| 17:01.11 | mgedmin | millions? |
| 17:01.16 | woglinde | gdbm 2.x uh |
| 17:01.18 | mgedmin | well, maemo-mapper doesn't download entire maps |
| 17:01.23 | BluesLee | mgedmin: just a joke |
| 17:01.28 | mgedmin | it downloads only those areas and zoom levels you select |
| 17:01.31 | mgedmin | which is a plus and a minus |
| 17:01.46 | mgedmin | worst problem with maemo-mapper is that gdbm or sqlite or whatever it uses is TOO DAMN SLOW |
| 17:02.07 | mgedmin | try to pan a lot at a high zoom level, you'll end up with a queue of seven hourglasses and will have to wait 5 minutes for it to catch up |
| 17:02.16 | BluesLee | in that case i will download the maps, make an image and mount it to MyMaps/.maps/Openstreetmap |
| 17:02.22 | mgedmin | also, it tends to run out of memory |
| 17:02.32 | mgedmin | closing and reopening fixes that, but you have to do it manually |
| 17:02.36 | mgedmin | I suspect the DB cache is too large |
| 17:02.45 | BluesLee | okay |
| 17:02.49 | rashed2020 | If flashing the eMMC is exactly the same process as flashing a ROM. Why would I have trouble doing one but not the other? Any clues? |
| 17:02.55 | mgedmin | I've no clue what you mean by "make an image" |
| 17:03.13 | mgedmin | rashed2020, I'd assume it's not exactly the same process... |
| 17:03.20 | mgedmin | I'm yet to flash mine |
| 17:03.25 | derf | Maemo-Mapper shouldn't need much of a database cache at all. |
| 17:03.29 | mgedmin | I guess I'll discover what the diffs are soon |
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| 17:03.38 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: If I copy the "images" folder from maemo-org to a working nuvo install, I get your buttons highlighting properly |
| 17:03.42 | derf | It caches the actual, decoded map tiles. |
| 17:03.51 | rashed2020 | mgedmin: They're the same command line arguments afaict. It's just about picking the right image name. One gets flashed fine and the other can't find the phone which blows my mind. |
| 17:03.54 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: It is definitely something wrong with the configuration |
| 17:03.56 | red | are there any tower defense games for n900@635? |
| 17:04.05 | red | yet*? |
| 17:05.10 | SpeedEvil | tetris? |
| 17:05.18 | SplasPood | red: haha, I was just missing that myself |
| 17:05.25 | BluesLee | woglinde: is navit not stable enough on the maemo platform? |
| 17:05.51 | red | its my fav pda game genre :p |
| 17:06.08 | red | towermadness on iphone i miss :) |
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| 17:06.40 | Gandalfimus | btw m8s .. best app for twitter? |
| 17:07.02 | mgedmin | rashed2020, I assume you're following this guide, right? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
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| 17:07.24 | SpeedEvil | red: poke game vendors |
| 17:07.27 | BluesLee | woglinde: do you know tangogps? |
| 17:07.44 | qgil | hi there, anybody with GPS problems in the N900 willing to give a try to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c25 ? |
| 17:07.45 | SpeedEvil | tango is moving map only |
| 17:07.48 | povbot | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view |
| 17:08.05 | mgedmin | rashed2020, what error does it give you? what os do you have on the desktop/laptop? |
| 17:08.18 | mgedmin | I ask about OS because I see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4955 |
| 17:08.20 | povbot | Bug 4955: Native flasher 3.5 can't flash eMMC image on windows |
| 17:08.29 | rashed2020 | Ah damn it. |
| 17:08.31 | ShadowJK | "You can even try indoors" <- what, you imply indoors ever works? |
| 17:08.36 | SpeedEvil | puts down gloovs |
| 17:08.41 | ShadowJK | hm, maybe coarse yeah.. |
| 17:08.43 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I get fine GPS lock indoors |
| 17:08.48 | qgil | ShadowJK: yes |
| 17:08.50 | woglinde | blueslee yes |
| 17:08.51 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: not quickly |
| 17:09.00 | woglinde | blueslee it was verystable |
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| 17:09.01 | rashed2020 | Took me forever to get a 32bit machine to I'm gonna have to convince its owner to let me install linux |
| 17:09.15 | BluesLee | woglinde: then i will try it out on my n900 |
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| 17:09.20 | woglinde | blueslee but I have to write an vehicle-gps-liblocation plugin |
| 17:09.20 | mgedmin | rashed2020, hey, read that bug -- latest 3.5 flasher release supposedly works fine |
| 17:09.20 | ml-N900 | vmware ftw |
| 17:09.29 | woglinde | blueslee its not yet there |
| 17:09.35 | ShadowJK | I don't get any GPS indoors, I'm right under a metal roof :-) |
| 17:09.42 | woglinde | I will try to upload it this evening |
| 17:09.51 | qgil | ShadowJK: then please try the steps at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c25 |
| 17:09.52 | povbot | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view |
| 17:09.56 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, thats odd I guess I can just use the gtk files and stuff |
| 17:10.03 | SplasPood | I found I had much better luck with network assist gps when I switched the host to supl.google.com |
| 17:10.03 | mgedmin | managed to get GPS indoors but only by placing the GPS receiver right next up against the window, and waiting hours |
| 17:10.06 | BluesLee | woglinde: that sounds good |
| 17:10.14 | mgedmin | otherwise GPS indoors is "won't happen" |
| 17:10.21 | SplasPood | As in, works all the time VS hardly ever |
| 17:10.30 | qgil | mgedmin: then you know what to test too :) |
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| 17:10.35 | rashed2020 | mgedmin: Ah, I just read it. Doesn't apply to me. With me it finds the device, then says starting flash mode and hangs on "No suitable USB device found" |
| 17:10.40 | qgil | SplasPood: same for you |
| 17:10.59 | xeviox | is it possible to use the latest Qt 4.6.0 with the maemo sdk? |
| 17:11.01 | SplasPood | qgil: hrm? |
| 17:11.03 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Yeah, just trying to overwrite the gtkrc file and see if everything looks as it should |
| 17:11.06 | BluesLee | mgedmin: its very cold here otherwise i would offer to be a beta tester:-) |
| 17:11.10 | qgil | SplasPood: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c25 |
| 17:11.11 | povbot | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view |
| 17:11.15 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, ok |
| 17:11.31 | SpeedEvil | trying indoors - cancelling rwo requests. |
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| 17:11.40 | BluesLee | woglinde: its very cold here otherwise i would offer to be a beta tester:-) |
| 17:11.56 | woglinde | blueslee *g* you would not be the only one |
| 17:12.18 | rashed2020 | mgedmin: The USB icon on the phone also suddenly disappears, and the second boot screen with the circles comes up then hangs. |
| 17:12.20 | qgil | BluesLee: I decided to dig on these GPS problems while being in Helsinki... |
| 17:12.31 | SpeedEvil | qgil: still no connection - two 3g bars |
| 17:12.43 | mgedmin | rashed2020, and you have flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe? |
| 17:12.49 | BluesLee | qgil: what kind of temperatures you have there? |
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| 17:12.50 | qgil | SpeedEvil: following the steps described in the bug report? |
| 17:12.57 | mgedmin | rashed2020, if so, complain at that maemo bug |
| 17:13.06 | lardman | evening all |
| 17:13.07 | rashed2020 | mgedmin: Indeed I do. |
| 17:13.10 | woglinde | hehe lardman |
| 17:13.13 | rashed2020 | Alright, I'll do that. |
| 17:13.25 | qgil | BluesLee: http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/02974.html |
| 17:13.31 | SpeedEvil | qgil: all but disabling data roaming - I have no capability to data roam here |
| 17:13.50 | qgil | SpeedEvil: which network do you have? |
| 17:13.56 | SpeedEvil | qgil: t-mob uk |
| 17:14.09 | BluesLee | qgil: thats pretty cold |
| 17:14.11 | SpeedEvil | also no net connectoin was made. |
| 17:14.35 | ShadowJK | qgil, pretty much instantly a "coarse" lock.. There's no scale on Ovi Maps, but I would estimate the error to be about 10 kilometres |
| 17:14.38 | SpeedEvil | qgil: maps important, or location-test-gui useful too/ |
| 17:14.43 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Copied over the gtkrc now highlighting is NOT working |
| 17:14.48 | SpeedEvil | turns off roaming |
| 17:15.02 | qgil | well, maps is the easiest for people to test |
| 17:15.09 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, so gtkrc from maemo-org kills highlighting |
| 17:15.17 | qgil | SpeedEvil: I wonder if you are missing a step or you have something related to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7057 |
| 17:15.18 | povbot | Bug 7057: supl.nokia.com not working for Networking positioning on T-Mobile USA |
| 17:15.19 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: correct |
| 17:15.27 | SplasPood | qgil: I'll see if I can do that later, I will say I'm not having any more issues after changing the host. |
| 17:15.32 | SplasPood | yea, maybe 7057 |
| 17:15.35 | SpeedEvil | qgil: ok - data roaming was already at ask |
| 17:15.53 | ShadowJK | I moved N900 to a spot by the window where N810 gets locks |
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| 17:16.07 | SplasPood | 7057 sounds like what my issue was/is |
| 17:16.13 | siriusnova | ugh my N900 rebooted again |
| 17:16.19 | AndrewBlack | if you can send me the gtk files from nuvo I can package maemo-org up with them. |
| 17:16.21 | siriusnova | sounds like its time to reflash |
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| 17:17.04 | qgil | if you can share your GPS tests under the conditions described at Bug 2076 that would be really appreciated |
| 17:17.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2076 Adding file directories (i.e. Documents, MMC) to Task Launcher/Navigator |
| 17:17.08 | lardman | wonders how well this will work on the N900: http://xcweather.co.uk/m/ |
| 17:17.16 | qgil | oops I mean Bug 7026 |
| 17:17.17 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view |
| 17:17.30 | Corsac | hmhm, I didn't notice maemo mapper was available in extra-devel |
| 17:17.33 | mgedmin | siriusnova, be careful about frequent reboots, there's that scary bug that makes n900 hang on boot when it's been rebooted 17 times without being powered off |
| 17:17.42 | siriusnova | :O |
| 17:17.49 | SplasPood | mgedmin: lol, what? |
| 17:17.50 | wazd | wee, I'm back |
| 17:17.56 | siriusnova | seriously? |
| 17:17.57 | red | mgedmin: lol? |
| 17:17.57 | qgil | or even http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=436482#post436482 if you're more a kind of a Talk dude |
| 17:17.58 | andre__ | siriusnova, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 |
| 17:17.59 | povbot | Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them |
| 17:18.03 | mgedmin | ^ |
| 17:18.06 | siriusnova | LOL |
| 17:18.07 | siriusnova | wow |
| 17:18.23 | andre__ | well, there's a workaround described. :-P |
| 17:18.35 | red | scary |
| 17:18.50 | woglinde | what? |
| 17:19.02 | mgedmin | not as fun as "android camera out of focus every second period of 42.5 days", or the "everything you type is treated as input in a root shell", but maemo is trying to get its own share of interesting bugs |
| 17:19.04 | siriusnova | yes Nokia please give us a firmware update stat |
| 17:19.05 | siriusnova | :| |
| 17:19.43 | SpeedEvil | qgil: 3 3g bars inside, restarted location-test-gui, no fix after 3 mins, with no data |
| 17:20.08 | SpeedEvil | I have definately had network positioning working before |
| 17:20.10 | andre__ | siriusnova, http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/ |
| 17:20.13 | SpeedEvil | of some sort |
| 17:20.17 | red | any chance that at some point u could tweak kinetic scrolling to be more sensitive/faster? |
| 17:20.21 | SplasPood | mgedmin: yea, I think I was the first person to post about the 'root bug' you described in android |
| 17:20.24 | SplasPood | mgedmin: fun stuff |
| 17:20.34 | lardman | ~curse that bloody email client for always asking for credentials when I connect |
| 17:20.35 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, that bloody email client for always asking for credentials when I connect ! |
| 17:20.44 | SplasPood | The most recent android 'exploit' relating to signed updates is kinda cute too |
| 17:20.46 | mgedmin | the openoffice.org "cannot print on Tuesdays" was also nice |
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| 17:21.01 | red | lardman haha |
| 17:21.06 | qgil | SpeedEvil: I guess we must take values from T-Mobile users with a grain of salt while that other bug is open? no idea |
| 17:21.11 | SplasPood | 1 vs a 3 in the code, thats all and small sized signed updates are passed without check |
| 17:21.54 | SpeedEvil | qgil: I have a couple of other SIMs I could try |
| 17:21.57 | siriusnova | well thats what you get for being an "early adopter" |
| 17:22.00 | siriusnova | :p |
| 17:22.01 | siriusnova | like me |
| 17:22.06 | qgil | that would be appreciated SpeedEvil |
| 17:22.07 | SpeedEvil | once eaten - food cooling. |
| 17:22.24 | qgil | very useful for the T-Mobile bug report, by the way |
| 17:22.26 | wazd | ouuuh, fast internets! |
| 17:22.50 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Even weirder - if I keep the nuvo gtkrc and just use your colour definitions highlighting doesn't work! |
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| 17:23.11 | SpeedEvil | qgil: also - 3g failed at one point, and it went to 2g - still no position - though it asked to reconnect again |
| 17:23.15 | wazd | qgil, hello |
| 17:23.18 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, odd |
| 17:23.33 | qgil | SpeedEvil: what about a reboot, just in case |
| 17:23.37 | qgil | after lunch :) |
| 17:23.38 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 17:23.42 | woglinde | random reboot |
| 17:23.43 | woglinde | cool |
| 17:23.45 | qgil | wazd: hi there |
| 17:23.57 | ShadowJK | bah. N900 switched the screen off, and the GPs seemed to have swiched off too |
| 17:24.00 | ShadowJK | no locks though |
| 17:24.16 | ShadowJK | (other than network triangulation) |
| 17:24.22 | ali1234 | indoors gps seems to work for me |
| 17:24.31 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Hmm, if I go back to the original nuvo gtkrc it isn't working anymore either |
| 17:24.42 | qgil | ShadowJK: I don't expect anybody to get fine accurate locks indoors, really |
| 17:24.42 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: This is pretty messed up |
| 17:24.51 | woglinde | ali1234 I even get with n810 indoor gps locks |
| 17:24.52 | crashanddie_mbp | lardman: how's the Qt version coming along? |
| 17:25.04 | AndrewBlack | yeah N900 theme still needs some work on UI people´s part |
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| 17:25.24 | ali1234 | i reflashed an n900 yesterday for someone, cos they were having problems with the nokia maps |
| 17:25.40 | ShadowJK | qgil, it was in a location the N810 gps gets indoor lock too ;-) |
| 17:25.41 | ali1234 | first thing they did was load up maps, and it already had the exact position |
| 17:25.43 | crashanddie_mbp | moo qgil |
| 17:26.13 | ShadowJK | kinda cool it didn't need to go consult some huge database about celltower locations... |
| 17:26.18 | qgil | hi crashanddie_mbp where are you? |
| 17:26.25 | crashanddie_mbp | qgil: Perpinya |
| 17:26.39 | qgil | ah ok :) |
| 17:26.43 | crashanddie_mbp | you? |
| 17:26.47 | qgil | Köln |
| 17:26.57 | crashanddie_mbp | djeezus, what the hell are you doing in Koln? |
| 17:27.03 | woglinde | qgil prost |
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| 17:27.33 | qgil | my kids are born here, and non-coincidentally, the mother as well |
| 17:27.33 | woglinde | okay |
| 17:27.36 | woglinde | I have to go |
| 17:27.47 | woglinde | till later |
| 17:28.19 | qgil | so thank you for your GPS reports :) |
| 17:28.22 | qgil | bye! |
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| 17:30.02 | crashanddie_mbp | I love how qgil always joins and leaves for no apparent reason. He arrives unannounced, leaves unannounced, does all of his business in the dark, he's like the Batman of #maemo |
| 17:30.13 | mgedmin | qotd++ |
| 17:30.31 | zash | haha |
| 17:30.38 | mgedmin | ... if we had such a thing as a quote of the day for #maemo ... |
| 17:30.39 | SpeedEvil | qgil: argh - sorry - I found SIM and remmebered the reason I wasn't using it was that it gets no signal. Sorry - not going outside to stand on the path while it's snowing. |
| 17:30.44 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 17:31.21 | zash | crashanddie_mbp: qgil needs moar screen+irssi+ssh |
| 17:31.23 | ali1234 | i thought n900 only did a-gps, not network positioning? |
| 17:31.30 | SpeedEvil | yeah - it's doing _some_ sort of network positioning |
| 17:31.40 | Macer | FINALLY |
| 17:31.41 | ShadowJK | it does network positioning too |
| 17:31.42 | Macer | ugh. got it. |
| 17:31.44 | zash | SpeedEvil: but how?! |
| 17:31.45 | SpeedEvil | I allow it to connect to the internet, and it has a position within 5s or so |
| 17:31.48 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 17:31.54 | crashanddie_mbp | I wonder if we could piggyback on Apple's positioning system |
| 17:32.00 | SpeedEvil | with a stated accuracy of 3.5km |
| 17:32.07 | zash | can you broadcast coordinates from accesspoints? |
| 17:32.11 | zash | that'd be cool |
| 17:32.13 | lardman | timeless_mbp: what wonders of English are you updating me to now....? ;) |
| 17:32.28 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: how do you know the stated accuracy? |
| 17:32.45 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: location-test-gui |
| 17:34.52 | zash | isn't there some free wifi location db's |
| 17:35.12 | etrunko | ಠ_ಠ|
| 17:35.14 | lardman | goes to try getting a lock with out of date almanac + ephemeris data |
| 17:35.37 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, that stated accuracy was showing 60km for me at one point :) |
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| 17:35.53 | SpeedEvil | 600km here |
| 17:35.56 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 17:36.05 | SpeedEvil | which is basically 'the uk' |
| 17:37.01 | ali1234 | zash: in the UK there used to be consume.net but i think that project is well and truly dead |
| 17:37.03 | oscillik | i really hope that Google port Google Maps onto Maemo...even though i think i know the answer :( |
| 17:37.48 | ShadowJK | port j2me and run the j2me google maps version ;-) |
| 17:38.16 | oscillik | would that still have access to the GPS module though? |
| 17:38.18 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Haaard day's life |
| 17:38.28 | oscillik | Google Maps is the only thing i miss Android for |
| 17:38.47 | ShadowJK | oscillik, that's the big part of porting j2me/dalvik/etc... |
| 17:38.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | oscillik: Here's to that! If only we could feed GPS data into the web version of google maps easily |
| 17:39.04 | oscillik | i REALLY needed it today, and Ovi Maps just had epic fail written all over it when i needed it most |
| 17:39.13 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh wait... there's an API |
| 17:39.49 | lardman | hmm, /me gets 4 sats seen within a minute, then get too cold to stand on the balcony |
| 17:40.08 | ShadowJK | ovi maps seems to use some strange map source... like, even private "roads" I wouldn't drive a tractor on show up.. ones that have 10 metre tall trees growing in the middle of them.. |
| 17:40.29 | lardman | ShadowJK: select "car" rather than "tank" |
| 17:40.36 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 17:40.55 | lardman | s/tank/tank with tree-destroying flails |
| 17:41.07 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Bit of a shame MicroB wont let you drag to pan google maps |
| 17:41.21 | lardman | yeah |
| 17:41.29 | oscillik | Gadgetoid_mbp: yes, if i could pan the maps easier, that would at least be useable |
| 17:41.31 | lardman | you can activate the mouse pointer then it will work |
| 17:41.44 | oscillik | lardman i tried that, it didn't work |
| 17:41.48 | ShadowJK | yeah it works fine with mouse pointer |
| 17:41.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Me too |
| 17:41.59 | lardman | oscillik: oh right |
| 17:42.11 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But I'm sure a GPS integrating maps app would be possible, using google maps data |
| 17:42.11 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: hmhm, is it loaded by default or is there a packag? |
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| 17:42.24 | Gadgetoid_mbp | And the MicroB engine, I would guess |
| 17:42.29 | oscillik | lardman it just changes the cursor to a 4-way cursor, and when i move it, it doesn't move the map |
| 17:42.31 | lardman | Gadgetoid_mbp: what sort of thing? |
| 17:42.38 | ShadowJK | ovi maps data seems nice enough to me... it's just that you can't do much with it :-) |
| 17:42.38 | lardman | Gadgetoid_mbp: Surely maemaps does that? |
| 17:42.59 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Haven't given it a try, to be honest lardman |
| 17:43.15 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I never found any third party map application very effective, so I gave up trying them |
| 17:43.19 | ali1234 | is there some way of getting my own data into ovi maps, like KML with gmaps? |
| 17:43.27 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Okay, weirdest of all: if I build your theme with the name "Maemo" in 1.2.7 everything works fine |
| 17:43.38 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Capital "M" no "-" |
| 17:43.46 | Gadgetoid_mbp | That said, most of that experience was on the N810 and OSX/Windows/Ubuntu on my netbook- trying to use a bluetooth GPS effectively |
| 17:43.49 | lardman | Gadgetoid_mbp: it's a web app, Google mashup sort of thing |
| 17:45.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | lardman: again, shame about the lack of draggin' |
| 17:45.20 | oscillik | lardman interesting, i've never heard of that...gonna fire it up on the N900 |
| 17:45.50 | ShadowJK | maybe someone should make a video of dragging in google maps.. |
| 17:45.53 | lardman | also try the Latitude stuff, I need to finish my latitude update daemon too though |
| 17:46.14 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Maemaps is kinda nice, though |
| 17:46.33 | Gadgetoid_mbp | You do that, ShadowJK |
| 17:47.06 | red | tried multiple games from extras, all awful |
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| 17:47.36 | Gadgetoid_mbp | red: to be expected |
| 17:47.40 | red | oh well, maybe in 3 years there will be enjoyable ones |
| 17:47.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | What, like there are on the N810? |
| 17:47.54 | red | Gadgetoid_mbp: yup |
| 17:47.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: I get a fix within ~5sec here (with internet) with a precision of the shown location of lt 20m. very first reported location after 'aybe 3s is off around 100m. all with desktop location widget |
| 17:47.58 | oscillik | lardman: thanks for the tip on maeMaps, that's a nifty little webapp :D |
| 17:48.01 | GAN900 | Jaffa, ping? |
| 17:48.10 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Gaming on the N900 is a bit of a pipedream, get a Pandora |
| 17:48.15 | red | oh well, hope psx emulator is working soon |
| 17:48.18 | Stskeeps | and a pandora isn't a pipedream? |
| 17:48.23 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh the irony in that statement, at least Pandora isn't complete vapour anymore |
| 17:48.30 | Corsac | hmhm, seems that I should get it from http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo5.0/ but what is this repository? It's not extra, it's not ânokia applicationsâ, it's not âsystem software updates, so? |
| 17:48.32 | red | has anyone tested the sega one? |
| 17:48.45 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: not legally - the limits of what yu can do with GPS data are very limited. |
| 17:48.47 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Actually, I lie, gaming on the N900 with a wiimote and TV is pretty awesome |
| 17:49.11 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: with decent signal I get that too - but with barely usable GPS - indoors - snow on roof - it takes some minutes to lock |
| 17:49.11 | red | that could be |
| 17:49.25 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: err - the limits of what you can do with google-maps data is very limited |
| 17:49.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: also note that e.g. FR gets a fix in less than 10s without any connectivity, if sat signal is really good |
| 17:49.46 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: and it's warm. |
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| 17:50.38 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Indeed SpeedEvil, I just want some sort of browser plugin that builds a URL with co-ordinates from the GPS- grabbed from GPSD I guess |
| 17:50.45 | ShadowJK | Gadgetoid, first you swipe left to right to bring out the pointer and the pointer icon. Then you tap the pointer icon so that a red line appears over it. Then you have pointer and can drag in google maps |
| 17:50.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | We have GPSD and barely use it |
| 17:50.49 | ShadowJK | I just tried it |
| 17:50.58 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: like the microb plugin? |
| 17:51.10 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: in the repos? |
| 17:51.28 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: so intuitive! |
| 17:51.30 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: ohrly? |
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| 17:51.35 | SpeedEvil | yarly. |
| 17:51.45 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ShadowJK: It works, but jesus it it piss poor in terms of responsiveness! |
| 17:51.48 | Gadgetoid_mbp | ShadowJK: Cheers |
| 17:51.58 | ShadowJK | it's about as responsive as ovi maps, sadly.. |
| 17:51.59 | wazd_5130 | Ah, not yet home( |
| 17:52.08 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahaha, harsh |
| 17:52.10 | Gadgetoid_mbp | But true |
| 17:52.57 | Gadgetoid_n900 | aha i see google latitude updater |
| 17:53.17 | lardman | Gadgetoid_mbp: am going to write a better version |
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| 17:53.41 | lardman | Gadgetoid_mbp: or indeed am writing a better version, to run as a daemon and auto-update at intervals |
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| 17:54.29 | Gadgetoid_n900 | lardman nice one... less bloattastic too? |
| 17:54.42 | lardman | indeed, will not have a gui ;) |
| 17:54.48 | SpeedEvil | lardman: it would be nice if it listened to accells too |
| 17:54.51 | lardman | though will have a control panel for settings |
| 17:55.06 | SpeedEvil | lardman: absolutely stationary - don't bother unless stale position already |
| 17:55.09 | lardman | SpeedEvil: accels? and integrate for distance?" |
| 17:55.12 | SpeedEvil | no :) |
| 17:55.14 | lardman | ah ok |
| 17:55.20 | lardman | well liblocation does that anyway |
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| 17:55.29 | lardman | won't send updates to you if you've not moved |
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| 17:55.46 | SpeedEvil | lardman: It seemed to always assume a minimum velocity of 50m/s in the uncertainty |
| 17:56.31 | lardman | hmm, sounds quite fast to me ;) |
| 17:56.31 | SpeedEvil | which is probably pessimistic for when it's sitting on a desk. |
| 17:56.37 | lardman | yeah, but that's down to how it performs the calc isn't it |
| 17:56.39 | SpeedEvil | (looking at the error growth in location-test-gui) |
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| 17:56.45 | lardman | for Latitude the actual location is all that matters |
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| 17:56.49 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 17:59.49 | lantizia | Is there a limit on the size of the jpg that the media player will use for album art? |
| 17:59.51 | lardman | hmm, odd, filename limit of ~90 chars for a WinXP filename |
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| 18:00.01 | lantizia | one 300x300 jpg worked... but the others that are bigger didn't |
| 18:01.12 | wazd_5130 | I can bet it's hardcoded |
| 18:01.49 | lantizia | the album thing? |
| 18:02.05 | wazd_5130 | Yeah |
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| 18:02.15 | lantizia | harded coded how? |
| 18:02.52 | lardman | the size limit |
| 18:03.00 | wazd_5130 | 300x300 - art, others - not |
| 18:03.01 | lardman | res limit rather |
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| 18:03.29 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, lower case m doesn´t work lol |
| 18:03.33 | lantizia | well how can I find out the actual limit? |
| 18:03.42 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Looks that way :) |
| 18:03.49 | AndrewBlack | fuuny |
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| 18:04.07 | lardman | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=436220&postcount=2 I mean really?! |
| 18:04.07 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I'm working to see if I can create a package from what was generated that will cleanly update from the old version |
| 18:05.12 | lardman | ~bug 5315 |
| 18:05.13 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5315 3 Mobile SIM card rejected |
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| 18:06.04 | AndrewBlack | well I´m going to have the build my source package my self anyways unless that is working in Theme Maker now. So all I really need is the source anyways. If you can build it from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2240466/Maemo/Maemo.png its has a few fixes in it |
| 18:06.38 | Stskeeps | AndrewBlack: my god, it' |
| 18:06.42 | Stskeeps | s full of orange |
| 18:07.09 | AndrewBlack | Stskeeps, lol don like it |
| 18:07.40 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I can get you a package you can upload to the autobuilder with XB-Maemo-Display-Name if you like |
| 18:07.45 | Stskeeps | AndrewBlack: nah, i'll probably make it into a mer theme :P |
| 18:08.32 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, Cool becuase I´ve been using py2deb for my package and couldn figure out XB-Maemo-Display-Name with it |
| 18:08.45 | AndrewBlack | Stskeeps, Cool |
| 18:08.56 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: py2deb makes a source package? |
| 18:09.01 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, yep |
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| 18:09.40 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: All you need to do is extract the package, put XB-Maemo-Display-Name in the control file and rebuild the package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S |
| 18:10.47 | UndrWater | is it appropriate to discuss n900 here? |
| 18:10.52 | GAN900 | AndrewBlack, I'd make some of the elements lighters |
| 18:11.01 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, ok |
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| 18:11.10 | GAN900 | Text boxes, for instance, should probably be white. |
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| 18:11.21 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I will send you the source output from theme maker 1.2.7 then |
| 18:11.44 | GAN900 | would really love a light theme. |
| 18:11.53 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, OK thanks |
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| 18:11.58 | fiferboy | GAN900: Try nuvo_fre from the theme maker garage page |
| 18:12.05 | GAN900 | tigert, Bora. Plankton. Fremantle. |
| 18:12.16 | AndrewBlack | GAN900, was thinking of doing a light one next |
| 18:12.25 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Do you want me to try calling the theme Maemo.org? |
| 18:12.42 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I mean Maemo-org |
| 18:12.44 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, sure |
| 18:13.07 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: And I'll copy over the backgrounds from your old package |
| 18:13.12 | bigbrovar_ | am in a bit of a dilema her and would appreciate if anyone can help out. I am having issues connecting to internet due to the fact that most 3rd party internet awared applications on the N900 (mauku, gpodder, etc) dont respect the systemwide proxy settings in my wireless profile. I was trying a walk round the issue, and I try adding export_http to /etc/profile which seems to work, but I was unable to use the browser because it times out till i comment |
| 18:13.13 | bigbrovar_ | out the http_proxy in /etc/profile .. |
| 18:14.16 | bigbrovar_ | can anyone please enlighting me on how i can tell the browser not to ignore /etc/profile, so i can use 3rd party apps and the web browser at the same time? :( |
| 18:17.20 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, k if you know how and want to package it up for extras that will be fine would save me the trouble since I´m at work right now I could go ahead and get it uploaded |
| 18:17.48 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: No problem. What do you want the display name to be? |
| 18:18.12 | AndrewBlack | I guess maemo.org theme |
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| 18:19.51 | AndrewBlack | GAN900, btw I´m considering going to white entry boxes but right now we are limited on text colors and to make everything work out right I had to go with white text on those boxes. Simular problem with converstations |
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| 18:20.07 | Stskeeps | AndrewBlack: looks good (theme) btw |
| 18:20.29 | AndrewBlack | That just reminded me fiferboy you need to use the colors css file out of old theme it has to be hand changes since theme maker doesn´t fix it |
| 18:20.31 | Gadgetoid_n900 | theme? what when where? |
| 18:20.46 | AndrewBlack | Stskeeps, thanks |
| 18:21.01 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Got it |
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| 18:21.15 | crashanddie_mbp | lardman: yo |
| 18:21.18 | AndrewBlack | Stskeeps, I´ve come along way from my Windws XP theme |
| 18:22.51 | lardman | hey crashanddie_mbp |
| 18:23.01 | crashanddie_mbp | what's up? |
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| 18:24.01 | Gadgetoid_n900 | hmmm i need to keep workig on my theme |
| 18:24.34 | flux | how are timestamps in general handled in maemo? I'm trying to look at ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db (sms messages) and it has events.end_time, which is an integer |
| 18:24.48 | flux | but if I try to handle it as a unix epoch time, I get something very wrong |
| 18:24.55 | MrTratta | does any one know of n900 non-official repositories around ? If you saw this twice sorry my xchat crashed .. |
| 18:25.06 | flux | argh, never mind, my test was flawed :-)) |
| 18:25.24 | jebba | http://www.freemoe.org has a repo, but not much there not in extras-devel (besides kernel) |
| 18:25.49 | MrTratta | thanks jebba, I'll have a look - have you tried something? |
| 18:26.10 | oscillik | anyone know where to get the N-series style loopable wallpaper that is shown in the publicity shots? |
| 18:26.11 | jebba | it's mine |
| 18:26.12 | oscillik | like this: |
| 18:26.13 | oscillik | http://maemo.nokia.com/features/panorama-desktop/ |
| 18:26.26 | Jaffa | GAN900: pong |
| 18:26.30 | MrTratta | nice jebba |
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| 18:27.06 | oscillik | been looking all over, but can't seem to find them anywhere |
| 18:28.32 | GAN900 | Jaffa, the h-a-m issue is primarily because it wont replace user/* packages with non user/* packages. |
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| 18:29.11 | MrTratta | jebba, quite nice, having a look at your wiki now - I might join :) I've got my scratchbox environment all up and running |
| 18:30.03 | GAN900 | Jaffa, the other part is a bug I haven't been able to confirm locally where it wont update said package after it's been replaced using apt. |
| 18:30.03 | MrTratta | for the timebeing I've just played a bit with some python, I code in c++ but never packed anything for debian .. |
| 18:30.24 | Jaffa | GAN900: OK, so if a package was ever in user/*, there's no way to get it out again |
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| 18:30.44 | MrTratta | Does any one know if abook python bindings not available is a known issue ? |
| 18:30.45 | jebba | X-Fade: should i assume this job has been killed or something? there have been at least one other job on the same builder after it was submitted: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/wxwidgets2.6_2.6.3.2.2-5/summary.log |
| 18:30.46 | Jaffa | GAN900: Apart from depends: newpackage and newpackage.postinst does an 'apt-get remove' |
| 18:31.11 | GAN900 | is of the opinion that since these packages are only in -devel the people installing them can work around it. |
| 18:31.42 | GAN900 | Jaffa, seeming, although it's not been confirmed very well as far as I can tell. |
| 18:32.13 | GAN900 | Somebody could check the code check for the section, maybe. . . . |
| 18:32.40 | X-Fade | jebba: Garage got a reboot around that time to add some more RAM. |
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| 18:33.51 | GAN900 | X-Fade, ah, did you source some bigger PoP's for that N900? :P |
| 18:33.57 | Gadgetoid_n900 | you need to reboot to add ram? that explains a lot |
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| 18:34.03 | X-Fade | GAN900: Yeah, the 256MB one ;) |
| 18:34.15 | X-Fade | GAN900: Finally available now. |
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| 18:35.58 | RST38h | X-Fade: I have just check the Downloads, no, neither of the packages got in |
| 18:36.33 | X-Fade | jebba: Looks like we will add the new build hardware tomorrow. Should be a lot better. |
| 18:36.53 | X-Fade | RST38h: Any non-free apps got in there before? |
| 18:37.03 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yes |
| 18:37.08 | X-Fade | RST38h: Ok. |
| 18:37.11 | RST38h | X-Fade: MasterGear, SlideRule, ATI85 |
| 18:37.19 | RST38h | X-Fade: iNES, VGBA. VGB )since removed) |
| 18:37.43 | RST38h | Also, Vulture's is not non-free, javispedro should have pushed the source code through the autobuilder |
| 18:38.14 | X-Fade | Ah, a lazy bastard ;) |
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| 18:39.07 | Gadgetoid_n900 | me wants pandora package system on maemo |
| 18:39.21 | fnordianslip | hey that's cool. i walked up town with my N900, which obviously disconnected from my wlan and switched to cellular network. i've now come home, looked at the terminal on my mac and found that my SSH session to my N900 still works. I've been gone for over an hour ;) |
| 18:39.45 | fnordianslip | obviously the N900 is back on the wlan now |
| 18:39.53 | MrTratta | I had some issue using the terminal from my n900, in particular piping, how do you guys do it ? did you remap the arrow keys ? |
| 18:40.11 | MrTratta | fnordianslip, i get that sometimes when I "freeze" a windows virtual machine connected to my work vpn |
| 18:40.13 | fnordianslip | use the osk, hit Func+Cntrl |
| 18:40.17 | MrTratta | as i resume, it is still connected :) |
| 18:40.21 | fnordianslip | Func is the blue arrow |
| 18:40.23 | Gadgetoid_n900 | ssh would only drop if you attempted to send a command through an inactive connection methinks |
| 18:40.49 | lardman | hey crashanddie_mbp |
| 18:40.57 | lardman | crashanddie_mbp: busy busy at work |
| 18:41.22 | lardman | crashanddie_mbp: you in the antipodes yet? |
| 18:41.54 | fnordianslip | Gadgetoid: your probly right. i guess there is no keep alive running on the tcp connection |
| 18:42.03 | wazd | wee, home again) |
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| 18:46.14 | BabelO | evening |
| 18:46.17 | RST38h | back |
| 18:46.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: Sorry, the computer shut down |
| 18:46.37 | RST38h | X-Fade: Anything changed since I fell off? |
| 18:46.50 | X-Fade | RST38h: no. not yet. |
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| 18:48.13 | GAN900 | Get your voodoo troubleshooting @ talk.maemo.org! |
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| 18:48.59 | RST38h | GAN: What again? |
| 18:49.20 | RST38h | GAN: Changing themes to get network connection more stable? |
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| 18:52.14 | GAN900 | RST38h, recommended regular reflashing to cure all ills! |
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| 18:53.45 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: emailed |
| 18:53.45 | Stskeeps | lardman: interesting fact btw, people use supl.google.com instead? |
| 18:54.30 | lardman | really? works the same does it? |
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| 18:54.46 | Stskeeps | well someone mentione it earlier in this channel |
| 18:54.57 | lardman | does it update Latitude too though? ;) |
| 18:55.09 | RST38h | GAN: <sigh> |
| 18:56.08 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, thanks |
| 18:56.21 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Do you have an N900 to test on? |
| 18:56.23 | jebba | X-Fade: having troubles scp over new package: "Connection closed by 62.61.85.33" |
| 18:56.33 | AndrewBlack | yep, I got a pre release one |
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| 18:57.26 | timeless_mbp | ooh, crazyparking is in testing? |
| 18:57.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: Reload Downloads... |
| 18:59.58 | lardman | hmm, anyone know who mikkov is? |
| 19:00.27 | X-Fade | lardman: sure, the games master. |
| 19:00.27 | lardman | X-Fade: can I upload a later version of a package to replace the one in extras-devel, even if I didn't upload the original? |
| 19:00.49 | X-Fade | lardman: Yes, although it is bad form ;) |
| 19:00.57 | lardman | I didn't realise Cauldron went back that far, but looks like he uploaded fort77 |
| 19:01.06 | lardman | yeah, ok, will try to contact him first then |
| 19:01.12 | RST38h | X-Fade: loading...(30 seconds and counting) |
| 19:01.20 | lardman | X-Fade: thanks :) |
| 19:01.22 | X-Fade | RST38h: good, goood. |
| 19:02.53 | RST38h | X-Fade: Really weird, it seems to have pushed all my apps on top, not just the latest ones |
| 19:03.16 | RST38h | Looks like I will have to generate a few screenshots now =) |
| 19:03.19 | X-Fade | RST38h: They all weren't updated for a long time. |
| 19:03.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: Since the removal hack when I was on holiday, something broke ;) |
| 19:03.50 | RST38h | Oh. Shit. |
| 19:03.54 | RST38h | thanks X-Fade |
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| 19:13.30 | gtessier00 | General question for you guys !!! What can you do with the console on the N900 |
| 19:13.33 | gtessier00 | the terminal |
| 19:13.43 | slonopotamus | rm -rf / |
| 19:13.52 | gtessier00 | and what is it used for lol |
| 19:14.05 | slonopotamus | ah, removes everything |
| 19:14.10 | Shadikka | gtessier00: If you don't know what you can do with a console, you probably don't need to |
| 19:14.20 | Stskeeps | gtessier00: it's the machine room of a n900. you'll need tools and knowledge how to use it |
| 19:14.38 | gtessier00 | I want to learn how to use it! :) |
| 19:14.40 | Shadikka | You can do pretty much anything you can do on a normal Unix terminal, use Google if you're interested. |
| 19:14.52 | gtessier00 | I<ll buy a linux book today |
| 19:15.54 | Aranel | gtessier00: pretty much everything you can do on GNU/Linux one. |
| 19:16.13 | gtessier00 | i don't even know how to use linux, to be honest |
| 19:16.33 | gtessier00 | I use windows 7 but im interested in knowing how to use linux since i ordered the n900 yesterday |
| 19:16.58 | woglinde | gtessier00 you are familiar with windows on commandline? |
| 19:17.01 | GAN900 | gtessier00, don't bother with a book, there are many free guides online |
| 19:17.19 | Aranel | gtessier00: I use it mostly for df and dh commands (disk management) , moving©ing with root privileges, xmplayer cli app and package management for instance. |
| 19:17.22 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, Got a question for you I was use py2deb to build Reflect for Joopu can you build it the proper way with Maemo-Display-Name and all for him? |
| 19:17.36 | gtessier00 | really? i thought that linux for dummies was not bad |
| 19:18.10 | gtessier00 | but you can't do all this if you don't use terminal? what is the point of copying and moving with root privileges ? |
| 19:18.11 | fnordianslip | gtessier00: wait until vlc is out. have you ever seen movies rendered in ascii characters? |
| 19:18.19 | gtessier00 | no :) |
| 19:18.38 | fnordianslip | you have to squint a bit :) |
| 19:18.42 | gtessier00 | haha |
| 19:18.59 | Aranel | gtessier00: you can use all partitions that way. GUI file manager only shows MyDocs folder. |
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| 19:19.22 | gtessier00 | oh i see, that way it can be interesting |
| 19:19.54 | gtessier00 | The status of my N900 is ''ready to ship'' :D |
| 19:20.03 | gtessier00 | priority, i should get it wednesday |
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| 19:21.28 | simula | congrats gtessier00 |
| 19:21.37 | gtessier00 | can't wait to get it :P |
| 19:21.59 | gtessier00 | I currently have an E71 and i am more than satisfied with it, but we can always get better :P |
| 19:22.39 | RST38h | Screenshots. Lots of screenshots. |
| 19:22.54 | woglinde | hm better saying nothing about the random boots |
| 19:23.03 | gtessier00 | ??? |
| 19:23.14 | RST38h | yeah, and the screens |
| 19:23.21 | RST38h | with all those hot pixels |
| 19:23.26 | RST38h | and the non-working mic |
| 19:23.45 | gtessier00 | well as i know it's under warranty |
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| 19:23.53 | Shadikka | Hmm |
| 19:23.54 | woglinde | gtessier00 it might happen that you will not be satisfy with the device |
| 19:24.07 | gtessier00 | why |
| 19:24.26 | gtessier00 | what's the % of bogus devices |
| 19:24.35 | RST38h | 100! |
| 19:24.36 | woglinde | only nokia knows |
| 19:24.40 | gtessier00 | 100 :P |
| 19:24.43 | gtessier00 | funny |
| 19:24.55 | Aranel | anyway, I got my device 1 week ago, and everything just works =) |
| 19:25.00 | Aranel | so its %99.9 |
| 19:25.02 | gtessier00 | thanks for encouraging me |
| 19:25.05 | Aranel | not %100 :) |
| 19:25.21 | gtessier00 | anyway if mine doesn't work well i will use warranty and get another one |
| 19:25.25 | gtessier00 | im aware of it |
| 19:25.39 | gtessier00 | its still in development period |
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| 19:26.00 | woglinde | jo ph5 |
| 19:26.15 | gtessier00 | and i think i have more chances of getting a good one, it's a new batch |
| 19:26.21 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Yup |
| 19:26.40 | UndrWater | hardware bugs? |
| 19:27.03 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, thanks |
| 19:27.34 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: No problem |
| 19:28.10 | Aranel | gtessier00: i hope everything goes ok for you too =) |
| 19:28.19 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Are you going to theme the images in the mediaplayer folder, even though they are not in theme maker yet? |
| 19:28.43 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, sooner or later I´m considering custom icons as well |
| 19:28.55 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Nice |
| 19:29.02 | UndrWater | Aranel: getting "wow, cool"'s from your friends? |
| 19:29.14 | wazd | i-max avatar, here I come :) |
| 19:29.25 | AndrewBlack | them was designed to be a community project I wanted to get help from other people for things like icons and such and I´m going to release the theme in .svg format for others do to with as they want |
| 19:29.26 | fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I think the "Button.png" from mediaplayer is used in the app manager as well |
| 19:29.39 | bigbrovar_ | can anyone enlighten me on why adding export http_proxy to /etc/profile cause microB to timeout everytime i try to use the web. I never have such problem with firefox in gnome :S |
| 19:29.44 | Aranel | UndrWater: no, mostly "omg let me use it, wow, its REALLY Quake??" :) |
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| 19:30.04 | AndrewBlack | fiferboy, yeah I think its used by several things |
| 19:30.17 | fiferboy | HildonFancyButton, I think |
| 19:30.55 | AndrewBlack | maemo-org 1.0-2 just got done building should be in extras-devel soon |
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| 19:31.35 | pupnik | can voting a thread started down to zero count as -1 thanks plelase |
| 19:31.41 | pupnik | or one |
| 19:32.40 | gadgetoid_bath | teehee |
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| 19:36.30 | RST38h | Uploading screenshots...hmm, seems to work this time |
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| 19:45.33 | RST38h | moos at pupnik |
| 19:47.56 | LuciusMare | um |
| 19:48.01 | LuciusMare | am i right in #maemo ? |
| 19:48.11 | RST38h | depends. |
| 19:49.21 | Stskeeps | ~seen johnx |
| 19:49.37 | infobot | johnx <n=john@c-76-121-237-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 13h 15m 17s ago, saying: ';)'. |
| 19:50.34 | LuciusMare | ~seen Stskeeps |
| 19:50.35 | infobot | stskeeps is currently on #maemo (5h 49s). Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 1m 14s, last said: '~seen johnx'. |
| 19:50.36 | gtessier00 | i like this channel, helpful people, thanks a lot |
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| 19:50.43 | LuciusMare | ~seen Boobs |
| 19:50.43 | infobot | LuciusMare: i haven't seen 'boobs' |
| 19:50.44 | RST38h | he was grinning, the evil one! |
| 19:50.50 | LuciusMare | ;) |
| 19:50.56 | woglinde | moo |
| 19:51.03 | RST38h | heya woglinde |
| 19:51.09 | LuciusMare | ~seen 'anything' |
| 19:51.09 | infobot | i haven't seen ''anything'', LuciusMare |
| 19:51.34 | LuciusMare | ~seen infobot |
| 19:51.34 | infobot | i haven't seen 'infobot', LuciusMare |
| 19:51.39 | LuciusMare | lol |
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| 19:53.35 | RST38h | just gave mikkov +40 karma =) |
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| 19:56.40 | hrw|gone | quick question: |
| 19:56.46 | hrw|gone | where maemo5 stores backups? |
| 19:57.45 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.51 | Stskeeps | on mmc(s) |
| 19:58.14 | woglinde | hm there was something in maemo 5 developer guide |
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| 19:59.05 | RST38h | hrw: ~user/MyDocs/Backup |
| 19:59.22 | hrw|gone | gracias RST38h |
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| 20:02.04 | pupnik | what was that dune game you were talking about RST38h ? |
| 20:02.06 | lcuk | woglinde, /home/user/MyDocs/backups/* |
| 20:02.20 | lcuk | hrw|gone, ^ |
| 20:04.15 | RST38h | Any debian packaging wizards out there? |
| 20:04.28 | woglinde | lcuk yeah I think I read in the fremantle developer guide |
| 20:04.31 | woglinde | rst just ask |
| 20:04.33 | RST38h | pupnik: Oh, no, I was just discussing a new game wazd would like to develop |
| 20:04.34 | woglinde | use cdbs |
| 20:04.40 | woglinde | that will make your life easier |
| 20:04.43 | RST38h | pupnik: And we had Tremors in mind, not Dune |
| 20:05.12 | RST38h | woglinde: How do I say in control file "my package depends on another package with the same version as mine"? |
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| 20:05.30 | RST38h | I.e. it should probably look like "Depends: libzlibrary (>= ???)" |
| 20:05.36 | RST38h | But what do I put for ??? |
| 20:05.38 | Stskeeps | RST38h: if it's in same source package, there's a debhelper thing for it |
| 20:05.49 | Stskeeps | Source-Version or something.. |
| 20:06.07 | RST38h | Same source package, yes |
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| 20:06.52 | RST38h | pupnik: My idea is to have you play as the graboid, then the shrieker, then as the ass blaster |
| 20:07.08 | woglinde | rst hm binaryversion or so |
| 20:07.11 | woglinde | let me see |
| 20:07.12 | RST38h | pupnik: And swallow whatever moves on the ground, including farming equipment |
| 20:07.42 | pupnik | hmm, deformable terrain |
| 20:07.49 | RST38h | ${Source-Version} |
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| 20:07.57 | woglinde | ah yeah |
| 20:08.57 | pupnik | hdmi is kind of an impressive interface, bandwidth and cable-length wise |
| 20:09.11 | woglinde | RST38h he that was easy |
| 20:09.28 | RST38h | woglinde: Can I have multiple maintainers in the control file btw? |
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| 20:10.38 | woglinde | rst dont think so |
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| 20:10.47 | RST38h | aha |
| 20:11.05 | RST38h | BTW, you know that absolutely ugly "equalizer" icon? |
| 20:11.12 | dmj726_n900 | Is there a way to tell if a package is optified before installing? |
| 20:11.12 | woglinde | rst either there is one maintainer in control |
| 20:11.12 | RST38h | Looks like it can be replaced ;) |
| 20:11.22 | woglinde | and all others are mentioned in changelog |
| 20:11.27 | RST38h | put himself into changed-By and Uploaders |
| 20:11.41 | woglinde | or the Maintainer is grouml adresse |
| 20:11.50 | jebba | woglinde: hey, was messing with bios and such, brought things back up |
| 20:11.56 | woglinde | like python-foobal-maintainers@debian.org |
| 20:12.06 | woglinde | jebba ah okay |
| 20:12.17 | woglinde | I just wanted to start to get navit in |
| 20:12.55 | jebba | though i've been trying for the last few hours to just FUCKSAFDSDkjñsadfñlsdfasdfsda upload something |
| 20:13.01 | jebba | to the build box |
| 20:13.08 | woglinde | uh |
| 20:13.38 | woglinde | okay I will upload it to my university space |
| 20:13.49 | woglinde | for now |
| 20:13.50 | jebba | woglinde: i mean the SDK box is fine |
| 20:14.02 | jebba | the freemoe one, i'm talking about uploading it to garage. |
| 20:14.52 | jebba | that's what's hanging |
| 20:14.55 | pupnik | do all wireless PC keyboards suck and miss/repeat keys? |
| 20:15.15 | tcarl|work | pupnik: If its made by crap, yes. |
| 20:15.32 | RST38h | woglinde: I assume ${Source-version} does not work in .shlibs files? |
| 20:15.40 | tcarl|work | pupnik: I have zero problems with BT keyboards -- works great. |
| 20:15.46 | woglinde | rst hm? |
| 20:16.03 | woglinde | isnt .shlibs generated automagicly? |
| 20:16.03 | tcarl|work | pupnik: Try something from Logitech. They usually work quite well. |
| 20:16.08 | woglinde | never messed this |
| 20:16.16 | RST38h | woglinde: I do not see where it is created |
| 20:16.28 | woglinde | hm today I tested qtnx on n900 and didnt work as expected |
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| 20:16.39 | woglinde | nxproxy dies at some time |
| 20:16.43 | pupnik | k thanks - this 'media keyboard' from "Sharkoon" with a trackball in upper right is quite practical, but i have to poke the keys, cant touch type |
| 20:17.00 | pupnik | woglinde: did you fix qtnx icon/launcher? |
| 20:17.05 | woglinde | and the gui dont has my keyboard and proxy support points |
| 20:17.10 | woglinde | pupnik no |
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| 20:17.23 | woglinde | only saw that I have to promote it |
| 20:17.27 | pupnik | k. i have no luck with getting it working now - session idiocy |
| 20:17.27 | pupnik | k |
| 20:17.29 | woglinde | because of missing user section |
| 20:17.39 | jebba | 3.21 MB/s to kernel.org like stalls and hangs to garage |
| 20:17.52 | jebba | nothing in the build queue... i wonder why... |
| 20:18.24 | woglinde | hm so now looking in developer guide |
| 20:18.27 | woglinde | for icon |
| 20:19.19 | wazd | RST38h: : jesus christ! Pyramid above Kremlin! |
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| 20:19.41 | wazd | RST38h: where is Jeff Goldblum with viruses'n'stuff :D |
| 20:20.13 | woglinde | pupnik where in the developer guide stands how the .desktop file now have to look? |
| 20:20.45 | pupnik | i just look at existing apps for that stuff |
| 20:21.03 | lcuk | wazd, its a pyramid, obviously its your mummy thats come to take you away |
| 20:21.59 | MrTratta | is any of the apps qt or all gtk/hildon ? Is it already possible to write apps targeting fremantle with 4.6 ? |
| 20:23.26 | Stskeeps | MrTratta: mixed |
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| 20:25.22 | RST38h | wazd: Ah, the pyramid came again? |
| 20:25.48 | RST38h | wazd: I am sure it is just RenTV shooting another of those crazy pseudo scientific features =0 |
| 20:26.12 | wazd | RST38h: : no, it's the same |
| 20:26.29 | wazd | RST38h: : aw, that's lame :D |
| 20:26.56 | wazd | RST38h: : When we'll get the real thing with exploding buildings, Will Smith and stuff :) |
| 20:26.56 | woglinde | wahahaha |
| 20:27.04 | woglinde | why it isnt in the developer guide |
| 20:27.36 | woglinde | hm and I now see I never make a package out of my qtnx patch for ssh-proxy and keyboard choosing |
| 20:27.36 | RST38h | wazd: You want a giant tarantula or what? |
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| 20:28.43 | RST38h | wazd: I mean, the place already looks like a diesel punk version of NYC during nuclear winter, how much more grotesque do you want it to be> |
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| 20:32.39 | Corsac | wazd: ping |
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| 20:36.34 | wazd | Corsac: heya |
| 20:36.59 | Corsac | wazd: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/maemo/white/ would that fit you? |
| 20:37.12 | Corsac | or is it not sharp enough? |
| 20:37.25 | woglinde | ping pupnik |
| 20:37.35 | pupnik | hi |
| 20:37.41 | woglinde | pupnik which category you think qtnx/nx fits? |
| 20:37.56 | woglinde | user/desktop or Location & Navigation Location & Navigation Localización y Navegación Locatie en Navigatie Posicionamento e Navegação Posisjon og Navigasjonen Paikannus ja navigointi Posizione e Navigazione Localisation et Navigation Position og Navigation Posicionamento e Navegação Position och Navigation Localisation et Navigation Localización y Navegación ÐозиÑиониÑование и навиг |
| 20:38.03 | woglinde | user/networkargs |
| 20:38.05 | pupnik | hehe @ paste |
| 20:38.06 | woglinde | sorry |
| 20:38.29 | woglinde | user/network or user/desktop |
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| 20:38.36 | pupnik | um wherever vnc is |
| 20:38.44 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:39.00 | woglinde | good idea |
| 20:39.10 | pupnik | Internet and Networking |
| 20:39.32 | woglinde | aeh |
| 20:39.33 | woglinde | so users/nerwork |
| 20:39.35 | woglinde | okay |
| 20:39.39 | wazd | Corsac: : well, you don't need to shoot it in dark |
| 20:40.22 | Corsac | yeah, sorry, I don't have much light here :) |
| 20:40.34 | wazd | Corsac: : But I think it's fine, thanks |
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| 20:41.23 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/developers_should_get_karma_based_on_the_relevance_of_their_software/ community folks, don't miss the karma voting brainstorm |
| 20:41.24 | Corsac | yw |
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| 20:42.51 | wazd | Wordpress website has that fucking javascript snow |
| 20:43.01 | wazd | no way |
| 20:43.31 | jaska | hah, any site that does that loses its js privileges |
| 20:43.36 | GAN900 | Woo, operation failed when opening Camera |
| 20:44.33 | fiferboy | GAN900: Opening the camera is clearly not a supported operation |
| 20:44.47 | acidjazz | lol |
| 20:46.58 | derf | wazd: JavaScript snow has become pretty popular this year. |
| 20:47.03 | RST38h | wazd: does it also play midi music? |
| 20:47.04 | derf | It is really, really annoying. |
| 20:47.26 | thresh | wazd: what do you have against snow?! government officials say they will surely deal with it if it covers all your screen! |
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| 20:47.45 | RST38h | derf: the best js I have seen was a little gray hedgehog with propeller running around the page and randomly making squeaky sounds every few minutes |
| 20:48.13 | wazd | RST38h: : yeah, and blinking background obviously :D |
| 20:48.21 | RST38h | was so impressed that he wrote his own js with sheep defecating on the <TABLE> elements |
| 20:48.25 | RST38h | =) |
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| 20:48.51 | wazd | RST38h: : jeez, you're a monster :D |
| 20:49.14 | pupnik | Are we helpless vs the web devs or is there some way to gain more control over javascript in the browser. |
| 20:49.31 | lcuk | AndrewBlack, you posted before a big image of a theme, is that actually whats chopped up and used for the theme? |
| 20:49.55 | AndrewBlack | lcuk, yep thats the template you use to make themes |
| 20:50.04 | fiferboy | 10000x800 :) |
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| 20:50.06 | AndrewBlack | lcuk, then theme maker cuts it up for you |
| 20:50.13 | RST38h | pupnik: turn it off and forget |
| 20:50.38 | RST38h | wazd: proof URL: http://emulation.org/ |
| 20:50.45 | anpr | hey guys :) |
| 20:50.46 | AndrewBlack | lcuk, if your interested in theme making I have a .svg of the basic template that is better then png version for editing |
| 20:50.58 | anpr | i've heard about java on maemo |
| 20:51.03 | anpr | do u know anything about it ? |
| 20:51.09 | lcuk | RST38h, "squeeky sounds" |
| 20:51.21 | lcuk | urg if a website started making noises at me automatically |
| 20:51.40 | pupnik | boah, nice domain |
| 20:51.47 | lcuk | o_O lag |
| 20:52.10 | lcuk | AndrewBlack, im morbidly curious is all |
| 20:52.43 | AndrewBlack | lcuk, you know you want to do themes, forget about programming its for losers :) |
| 20:53.08 | lcuk | AndrewBlack, ive gotta look @ themes for a different reason |
| 20:53.30 | anpr | guys ? |
| 20:53.41 | lcuk | do you upload these source images to garage along with your debs? |
| 20:53.54 | lcuk | anpr, no |
| 20:54.58 | anpr | i heard that they are developing opera mini browser |
| 20:55.00 | AndrewBlack | lucent, nope theme maker cuts source images apart and makes a source package that has all the small images in it |
| 20:55.05 | anpr | and as i know it requires java |
| 20:55.12 | anpr | something like that =] |
| 20:55.25 | oscillik | yes Opera Mini runs on java |
| 20:55.30 | lcuk | AndrewBlack, so if someone wants to continue working on your theme they cant? |
| 20:55.36 | AndrewBlack | GAN900, you around? |
| 20:56.05 | AndrewBlack | lcuk, yeah they can but they would have to work on each image in png format one at a time or I can release my template |
| 20:56.22 | AndrewBlack | lcuk, I almost always release my template once I´m done with it |
| 20:56.28 | lcuk | your template == source code, store it in garage (different to sending to autobuilder) |
| 20:56.55 | lcuk | ok, so theres some already? |
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| 20:57.28 | lcuk | im interested in the whole thing, from source through compilation to a gtk package |
| 20:57.42 | lcuk | and to relate stuff it should be like for like |
| 20:58.24 | lcuk | power had texture files which put these themes to shame ;) |
| 20:58.28 | lcuk | poser |
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| 21:01.04 | RST38h | GAN: Ok, looks like I may have resolved FBreader dependency thing |
| 21:02.18 | tigert | we need to publish the fremantle theme tools |
| 21:02.29 | tigert | its underway afaik |
| 21:02.33 | RST38h | yesss |
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| 21:02.39 | woglinde | RST38h moo |
| 21:02.40 | RST38h | preferably ones that do not involve java =) |
| 21:02.44 | tigert | thememaker has the full template now |
| 21:03.01 | tigert | but the tools and -layout-5 needs to be published |
| 21:03.05 | AndrewBlack | lcuk, Theme in maemo is simple just edit that templete you saw, use Theme Maker to Cut it up, it outputs .deb and source then you can use source to make a source package to upload to garage |
| 21:03.12 | tigert | so the debian toolchain can build themes too |
| 21:03.29 | tigert | thememaker does the same thing in java |
| 21:03.51 | tigert | indeed you just paint over that template |
| 21:03.54 | AndrewBlack | lcuk, I normally put some of my source templates in the garage. Iḿ going to be putting maemo-org on there this week |
| 21:04.04 | RST38h | tigert: Ideally, I would like to have a command line utility that takes template png and creates a deb |
| 21:04.06 | lcuk | cool stuff |
| 21:04.07 | tigert | theres a svg also which is imho nicer for editing |
| 21:04.13 | AndrewBlack | tigert, thats right thememaker is just the dumbed down easy way to do themes |
| 21:04.18 | tigert | RST38h: hildon-theme-tools |
| 21:04.27 | RST38h | already available? |
| 21:04.33 | tigert | RST38h: its just the newest version is not out there |
| 21:04.50 | tigert | ask for it in the list and forums to create pressure :) |
| 21:04.55 | AndrewBlack | RST38h, hildon-theme-tools been around since theme hildon has been around |
| 21:05.08 | RST38h | got it |
| 21:05.10 | tigert | yes, diablo theme tool and template is out there |
| 21:05.15 | tigert | just not maemo5 |
| 21:05.57 | Stskeeps | tools,layout are out, just not template |
| 21:06.22 | AndrewBlack | Stskeeps, isn´t it the same template as thememaker? |
| 21:06.50 | RST38h | tigert: got a question |
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| 21:07.12 | tigert | sure |
| 21:07.13 | RST38h | tigert: do you know of a bunch of three icons that I can use to represent music being played? |
| 21:07.25 | tigert | Stskeeps: layout-5 isnt afaik |
| 21:07.26 | RST38h | tigert: something tiny, to replace that gaudy equalizer icon |
| 21:07.33 | tigert | layout-4 is for diablo |
| 21:08.03 | tigert | RST38h: a raving guy silhouette would be fun :) |
| 21:08.14 | tigert | but no idea offhand for a pic right now |
| 21:08.31 | lcuk | state of the art |
| 21:08.35 | RST38h | nothing like that in gnome? |
| 21:08.49 | lcuk | https://wiki.collabora.co.uk/N900s/FaveApps |
| 21:08.53 | lcuk | damn |
| 21:08.57 | jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/fedora/12/x86_64/0xFFFF-0.4.0-0jebba.fc12.x86_64.rpm |
| 21:09.10 | lcuk | good job i dont c&p dodgy stuff |
| 21:09.13 | Stskeeps | tigert: gitorious |
| 21:09.23 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5kuYfTCGLg |
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| 21:10.58 | Stskeeps | tigert: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-theme-layout-5 |
| 21:11.03 | tigert | Stskeeps: awesome |
| 21:11.09 | tigert | ok good |
| 21:11.11 | RST38h | FBReader-0.10.7-9 going into autobuilder |
| 21:11.20 | RST38h | tigert: Maybe you can draw something, quickly? =) |
| 21:11.22 | tigert | now i gotta zZZZ |
| 21:11.28 | Stskeeps | nini tigert |
| 21:11.30 | tigert | RST38h: not right now :) |
| 21:11.32 | tigert | nite |
| 21:11.36 | RST38h | tigert: g'night :) |
| 21:11.44 | lcuk | gnite tigert |
| 21:13.43 | Corsac | hmhm |
| 21:13.45 | Corsac | W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/Release No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_Release |
| 21:13.49 | Corsac | is that expected? |
| 21:13.59 | hcarrega | Corsac: |
| 21:14.02 | hcarrega | samewith me |
| 21:14.18 | hcarrega | but not allways |
| 21:14.24 | hcarrega | yesterday |
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| 21:14.29 | hcarrega | extra-devel |
| 21:14.36 | hcarrega | today maemo-extras |
| 21:14.44 | lcuk | how is it possible to have a git commit in the future o_O |
| 21:15.28 | thresh | faketime? |
| 21:15.46 | thresh | and, of course, a time machine. don't you know how to use it? |
| 21:15.51 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/liqbase-playground/commits/master |
| 21:16.08 | zash | lcuk: man at |
| 21:16.21 | lcuk | just got a random update from the end of the year |
| 21:16.21 | Corsac | hcarrega: hmhm maybe It's sync'ing or something |
| 21:16.29 | hcarrega | yes |
| 21:16.29 | lcuk | now 31st december this year IS a bluemoon |
| 21:16.37 | hcarrega | i read in talk.maemo |
| 21:17.35 | hcarrega | Corsac: |
| 21:17.46 | hcarrega | maybe servers are loaded |
| 21:19.12 | hcarrega | lcuk: i born in 31st |
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| 21:22.14 | RST38h | cooooooooooooooooool |
| 21:22.20 | RST38h | fixed the now-playing icon |
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| 21:23.49 | bigbrovar_ | is there anyway i can make fenec default on N900? |
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| 21:24.49 | jebba | Stskeeps: how you doing your autopackaging of mer? (if i understand correctly). Got any scripts to share= |
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| 21:30.40 | johnsq | Hi |
| 21:32.50 | jebba | hey |
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| 21:38.35 | jebba | 200912212221 cool timestamp that just occurred heh |
| 21:39.25 | johnsq | jebba: no big difference to 2008 |
| 21:41.41 | timeless | hey, anyone want to write an app or three for me? |
| 21:41.42 | PolarFox | 21121221211221 will be something... |
| 21:41.59 | PolarFox | timeless: Sure... what will you pay? |
| 21:42.15 | timeless | 1. search contacts by fields other than name (esp number, company) |
| 21:42.31 | timeless | 2. find duplicate contacts |
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| 21:42.41 | timeless | 3. compare contacts |
| 21:42.56 | timeless | polarfox: 20eur for each |
| 21:43.02 | lcuk | timeless, those sound like enhancement requests |
| 21:43.03 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:43.10 | LinuxCode | 20eur |
| 21:43.15 | RST38h | Hurrah! |
| 21:43.18 | timeless | 20eur bonus for integrating the three |
| 21:43.24 | lcuk | 20euro per |
| 21:43.24 | RST38h | I replaced that ugly, UGLY now-playing icon! |
| 21:43.25 | lcuk | line |
| 21:43.26 | lcuk | of |
| 21:43.27 | lcuk | code |
| 21:43.40 | LinuxCode | lcuk, that would not be reasonable |
| 21:43.42 | timeless | and probably some other bonuses for accepting further input |
| 21:43.56 | LinuxCode | unless they were multi-line oneliners ;-o |
| 21:43.57 | PolarFox | Accepting input.. thats not cheap |
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| 21:44.14 | PolarFox | That's like 150e+/line of input :D |
| 21:44.16 | lcuk | need bonus per ascii character allowable |
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| 21:44.33 | lcuk | and double for uppercase |
| 21:45.02 | PolarFox | I understand the two... but compare contacts? |
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| 21:45.20 | lcuk | yeah duplication is a big problem |
| 21:45.27 | timeless | i might have a contact "david smith" |
| 21:45.36 | timeless | and a contact "dave smith" |
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| 21:45.49 | timeless | i need a way to see if they're the same contact |
| 21:45.55 | timeless | which fields overlap |
| 21:45.59 | timeless | which don't |
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| 21:46.08 | lcuk | has done this before |
| 21:46.11 | timeless | it isn't necessarily a merge |
| 21:46.24 | lcuk | between different databases and within the same |
| 21:46.25 | timeless | because they might be unrelated |
| 21:47.04 | lcuk | just a way to show the similar ones and let you decide is better - once you decide then you get to conflict resolution and field merging |
| 21:47.15 | lcuk | trying it automatically leads to pulling hair and missing data |
| 21:47.43 | timeless | ayup |
| 21:48.58 | lcuk | remembers the pain of those calcs |
| 21:49.26 | lcuk | soundex helps also for typing glitches |
| 21:49.37 | timeless | i should probably note that i'd prefer modular backend support |
| 21:49.45 | timeless | and modular frontend |
| 21:50.14 | PolarFox | Is there a bounty system for maemo stuff? :) |
| 21:50.28 | timeless | so your ui could be e.g. Qt, but it should be possible to replace Qt w/ clutter or gtk w/o rewriting the logic |
| 21:51.04 | timeless | and if the current contacts db is replaced by a different one, it should be possible to drop in a replacement backend |
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| 21:53.48 | lcuk | timeless, thats a big optimistic |
| 21:53.59 | lcuk | bit* |
| 21:54.39 | PolarFox | with a ~60-90eur budget.. :P |
| 21:55.15 | jebba | compiling the kernel 2.6.32-omap1: "arch/arm/kernel/unwind.c:34:2: warning: #warning Your compiler is too buggy; it is known to not compile ARM unwind support. |
| 21:55.15 | jebba | " |
| 21:55.55 | woglinde | yeah old csl toolchain |
| 21:56.22 | hrw|gone | have a nice xmas everyone - i will be back online in 2010 |
| 21:56.44 | lcuk | hrw|gone, have a good time, speak to you next year \o |
| 21:56.47 | mikhas | bye hrw |
| 21:56.51 | Shadikka | Have fun. |
| 21:56.56 | hrw|gone | thx |
| 21:57.20 | lcuk | o_O hrw got a time machine |
| 21:57.55 | mikhas | yeah, but can he go *back* in time? |
| 21:58.15 | lcuk | hes gone to the future and is at this moment using maemo8 |
| 21:59.05 | gadgetoid_n810 | nokia will switch to android |
| 21:59.16 | thresh | of course |
| 21:59.27 | PolarFox | And google will take over the world |
| 21:59.33 | gadgetoid_n810 | and n810s will be worth more than gold |
| 21:59.59 | PolarFox | Nokia has done such wonders in service front that software development can be thrown away. |
| 22:00.15 | Gadgetoid_n900 | you're delusional |
| 22:00.29 | gadgetoid_n810 | balls am i |
| 22:00.37 | lcuk | "computer, id like a piece of software which....." |
| 22:01.01 | gadgetoid_n810 | stick your tiny stand up a monkeys bum! |
| 22:01.36 | Gadgetoid_n900 | go get a coprocessor... slowie slow slow! |
| 22:01.58 | gadgetoid_n810 | pffff... learn how to page in fbreader noob |
| 22:02.14 | woglinde | hihihi nice package name |
| 22:02.16 | woglinde | 0.2.0~svn2865+dfsg.1-1maemo1 |
| 22:02.26 | Gadgetoid_n900 | sheesh |
| 22:03.03 | Gadgetoid_n900 | the n900 is too small |
| 22:03.37 | gadgetoid_n810 | but it has a much softer keyboard that ends up being easier to type on |
| 22:04.11 | gtessier00 | How many people here had a bogus N900 at least once? (Mic not functionning, random reboots all time, etc...) |
| 22:04.27 | lcuk | ive never seen a bogus n900 |
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| 22:04.33 | Gadgetoid_n900 | mine's perfect |
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| 22:04.48 | thresh | mine is ok |
| 22:04.49 | Gadgetoid_n900 | its got the crappy kickstand bug though |
| 22:04.56 | mikhas | raises hand |
| 22:05.07 | gtessier00 | crappy kickstand bug ? :P |
| 22:05.21 | Gadgetoid_n900 | gah i hate how the ui in xhat wastes so much space... its better on the n810 by miles |
| 22:05.46 | Gadgetoid_n900 | yeah the stand on the n900 is a horrible pointless piece of crapola |
| 22:05.59 | johnq_ | I'm trying to upload my first package to extras-devel. The problem is: It is a python program together with a kernel module. What is the "source package"? Should I rather upload the kernel module separately? |
| 22:06.01 | lcuk | until you get on a train or plane and want to watch a movie |
| 22:06.04 | gtessier00 | well the only time ill use it is in the plane once per year |
| 22:06.24 | lcuk | watches often |
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| 22:06.46 | gtessier00 | :D |
| 22:07.07 | lbt | hey lcuk |
| 22:07.13 | lcuk | hey lbt |
| 22:07.15 | Gadgetoid_n900 | lcuk, I'd hold it |
| 22:07.31 | lbt | abandonded his car and walked 3 miles home in the snow earlier... |
| 22:07.39 | lcuk | cripes lbt! |
| 22:07.39 | timeless | johnq: the kernel module should be its own package |
| 22:07.40 | lbt | with mrs lbt |
| 22:07.40 | gtessier00 | eww that sucks |
| 22:07.45 | gtessier00 | at least you didnt abandon your n900 |
| 22:08.08 | gtessier00 | poor n900 |
| 22:08.09 | thresh | three miles?! that's like ten minutes of walking, sheesh. how did you do that? |
| 22:08.13 | gtessier00 | LOL |
| 22:08.36 | thresh | sorry, it's just too funny to mock people who rarely see snow :) |
| 22:08.37 | Gadgetoid_n900 | how the hell did trains break down in a fucking tunnel due to snow.... |
| 22:08.37 | lbt | n900 was cold though |
| 22:08.50 | Gadgetoid_n900 | its a fucking tunnel! |
| 22:08.57 | lbt | heh 19" summer tyres and snow |
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| 22:09.07 | dimir | Hi guys. |
| 22:09.08 | gtessier00 | 19'' |
| 22:09.09 | lbt | 285/45 iirc |
| 22:09.11 | johnq_ | timeless: ok, so any idea where to start? ;-) |
| 22:09.11 | lcuk | lbt joggler, os by default? |
| 22:09.11 | gtessier00 | hallo dimir |
| 22:09.23 | lbt | kinda low grip |
| 22:09.24 | timeless_mbp | johnq_: so, do you understand what a source package should do? |
| 22:09.32 | dimir | I get dpkg build error: |
| 22:09.33 | timeless_mbp | roughly, a source package should have the sources and a debian/rules file |
| 22:09.35 | dimir | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} |
| 22:09.35 | dimir | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} |
| 22:09.35 | dimir | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${binary:Version} |
| 22:09.41 | dimir | What could be the problem? |
| 22:09.48 | johnq_ | timeless: not really but I assume that dpkg_buildpackage is supposed to build a binary package from it... |
| 22:09.48 | timeless_mbp | the debian/rules file should build the kernel module |
| 22:09.55 | johnq_ | ok |
| 22:10.05 | lbt | lcuk: not looked yet.... but the standard joggler frontend runs in Mer |
| 22:10.06 | timeless_mbp | johnq_: dpkg-buildpackage calls debian/rules |
| 22:10.10 | dimir | dpkg-buildpackage last messages: http://pastebin.org/67526 |
| 22:10.13 | johnq_ | yeah |
| 22:10.17 | lcuk | lbt so its a linux? |
| 22:10.22 | lbt | oh yes |
| 22:10.27 | lcuk | smiles |
| 22:10.35 | dimir | The variables in control stopped evaluating all of a sudden. |
| 22:10.41 | dimir | It has been working for months. |
| 22:10.42 | lbt | I'd get one - at £99 they're a steal |
| 22:10.43 | lcuk | whats the sdk for it? |
| 22:10.49 | lbt | Mer |
| 22:10.51 | dimir | I'm using sbox. |
| 22:10.53 | lbt | <grin> |
| 22:11.00 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: and the data part of the package then contains only one file, namely the module, right? |
| 22:11.03 | lcuk | i mean by default if people wanted one with default os |
| 22:11.03 | lbt | they are about to release one I think |
| 22:11.08 | lbt | nothing yet |
| 22:11.12 | timeless_mbp | johnq_: yep |
| 22:11.21 | lcuk | ill have to see whats what when it arrives |
| 22:11.21 | dimir | I have even reinstalled a target in sbox and checked out the sources of the package to a separate dir. |
| 22:11.23 | lbt | it's O2 - it'll suck and you'll have to pay and .... and.... |
| 22:11.25 | dimir | Still the same problem. |
| 22:11.25 | timeless_mbp | assuming that's all it takes for the kernel to be magically usable |
| 22:11.27 | Corsac | mhmh, maemo mapper from extra-devel seems not to displqy anything is the gps info tab while it seems I have a fix |
| 22:11.34 | lcuk | lbt well if the front end runs |
| 22:11.36 | dimir | And it works like a charm at other users using same target, same sources. |
| 22:11.38 | lcuk | it means allis not lost |
| 22:11.57 | lbt | not at all - they work well together |
| 22:11.59 | lcuk | do i write in purple? |
| 22:12.00 | timeless_mbp | lbt: swath/swathe ? |
| 22:12.10 | lbt | the problem is that O2 will want to wall the garden |
| 22:12.23 | lbt | a swath, cut a swathe I think |
| 22:12.28 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: so the idea is to download the official kernel source package, patch some source files, patch the build process and that should be it, right? |
| 22:12.40 | orbarron | any tried running pulseaudio from x-terminal? |
| 22:13.22 | timeless_mbp | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=228125 sounds like half an answer for shlibs: |
| 22:13.34 | timeless_mbp | johnq_: eww, you're patching the kernel sources? |
| 22:13.42 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: yes |
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| 22:13.47 | timeless_mbp | typically you'd depend on a package that provides the kernel sources |
| 22:13.56 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: i'm adding a backport of squashfs 4.0 |
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| 22:15.37 | dimir | So, if someone could help, here is the description of a problem: http://pastebin.org/67528 |
| 22:15.39 | timeless_mbp | johnq_: do you need the sources or just the kernel headers? |
| 22:17.22 | lbt | dimir: any chance you're using windows? |
| 22:17.22 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: Perhaps the kernel headers would do, I should try that. I actually just applied some patch that is supposed to work on the full sources, modfied .config, built modules and grabbed this single modules from the compilation result. |
| 22:17.22 | lbt | cr/lf issue? |
| 22:17.30 | lardman | hope I didn't miss anything, was watching Solaris |
| 22:17.32 | lardman | night all |
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| 22:21.04 | pupnik | dimir: find what you upgraded perhaps |
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| 22:23.06 | dimir | lbt: no, scratchbox, maemo. |
| 22:23.23 | dimir | pupnik: I tried, but could not get anything. |
| 22:23.29 | gtessier00 | zouizoui |
| 22:23.45 | dimir | pupnik: the strange thing is, we are working in a team and everyone uses the same env/same source package. |
| 22:24.17 | dimir | pupnik: I have created a new target in scratchbox, got the sources from repo and it still doesn't work. :-D |
| 22:24.21 | dimir | This is getting funny. |
| 22:25.01 | lcuk | dimir, full console log including the initial dpkg line and everything |
| 22:25.03 | dimir | So I guess I need a good Debian packager help. |
| 22:25.07 | lcuk | into pastebin.ca |
| 22:25.39 | lcuk | missed you already did! |
| 22:25.48 | lcuk | well, some |
| 22:25.50 | dimir | Well, if that helps. :-) |
| 22:25.53 | dimir | Some ye. |
| 22:26.05 | dimir | Not enough? |
| 22:26.13 | dimir | I ran: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 22:26.24 | zs | hi, somehow I have only 5.8M free space on device (n900), rootfs 227.5M 217.5M 5.8M 97% / , can anyone check for me his own disk usage? |
| 22:26.30 | SpeedEvil | zs: reboot |
| 22:26.58 | SpeedEvil | zs: something is often wacky, and a reboot often clears up several tens of meg - if you've been installing stuff. no, I've no idea why, and it shouldn't do this |
| 22:27.11 | Shadikka | lemme see |
| 22:27.22 | zs | ok I will try |
| 22:27.44 | Gadgetoid_n900 | paganism on the increase.... *choke* |
| 22:28.00 | Shadikka | rootfs 227.8M 191.2M 32.4M 86% / |
| 22:28.24 | SpeedEvil | spins widdershins. |
| 22:28.37 | SpeedEvil | is not skyclad - it being 4.5C in here. |
| 22:29.31 | gtessier00 | now knows how to write in purple. yay. seriously. |
| 22:29.43 | zs | ok now I have rootfs 227.5M 180.1M 43.3M 81% / |
| 22:29.47 | zs | thanks |
| 22:30.02 | SpeedEvil | zs: were you installing from extras-devel? |
| 22:30.05 | SpeedEvil | or what have you tried installing? |
| 22:30.05 | zs | yes |
| 22:30.59 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: are the packages kernel-headers and linux-kernel-headers two different things? |
| 22:31.09 | lcuk | unlocks achievements |
| 22:31.11 | timeless_mbp | dunno offhand |
| 22:31.15 | timeless_mbp | did you check mxr.maemo.org? |
| 22:31.24 | SpeedEvil | unlocks the farted 14 days in a row achievement. |
| 22:31.36 | zs | SpeedEvil, I have tested some apps from extras-devel, now I am learning how to write software |
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| 22:31.46 | SpeedEvil | zs: Great! |
| 22:31.55 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: i'm following the Maemo Kernel and Debugging Guide on the wiki, and there it is assumed that there is something in /usr/src/kernel-headers, but /usr/src is empty in my scratchbox. |
| 22:31.57 | dimir | lcuk: added list of some packages installed: http://pastebin.org/67530 |
| 22:32.30 | timeless_mbp | johnq_: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/debian/control |
| 22:32.34 | lcuk | dimir, why dont you clearly just post the console log from you starting the command to the end |
| 22:32.50 | dimir | lcuk: OK, just a sec... |
| 22:32.55 | timeless_mbp | according to that, they're built by the same source package |
| 22:32.57 | lcuk | in the order its in, because then someone reading it doesnt have to think, they are used to seeing errors displayed in that way |
| 22:33.33 | zs | btw Is there any way to get rid of this annoying message that nokia has not created this software and auto tick "I understand and agree." ? |
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| 22:34.16 | timeless_mbp | zs: you can replace it |
| 22:34.23 | timeless_mbp | do you use American English or British English? |
| 22:34.36 | zs | British English |
| 22:35.28 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: so do these packages exist in some repository? |
| 22:35.40 | timeless_mbp | johnq_: given that mxr.maemo.org has them, yes |
| 22:35.50 | timeless_mbp | because mxr.maemo.org is generated by apt-get source :) |
| 22:36.02 | johnq_ | ok :-) |
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| 22:37.09 | timeless_mbp | odd |
| 22:37.13 | timeless_mbp | i can't find the sources.list file |
| 22:37.19 | timeless_mbp | it's typically in the root directory of my repos |
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| 22:40.44 | woglinde | hm intressting I should add XSBC-Original-Maintainer, but the field isnt used |
| 22:40.55 | dimir | lcuk: http://pastebin.org/67534 |
| 22:41.35 | Corsac | woot, scapy seems to run fine |
| 22:41.57 | Corsac | now I just need to build an ipv6 kernel |
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| 22:44.20 | lcuk | dimir, your error looks to be lines 535, rather than the warnings further up |
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| 22:47.56 | johnq_ | timeless_mbp: thanks. it's almost done :-) |
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| 22:50.22 | dmj7261 | is camera-ui open source? |
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| 22:55.05 | woglinde | Corsac injection ipv6 packets? |
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| 22:59.54 | rashed2020 | What does alias supposed to have in bugzilla? |
| 23:00.00 | rashed2020 | is* |
| 23:00.14 | Corsac | woglinde: for example |
| 23:00.38 | woglinde | hm I need to compile for i386 to let it run in hildonize gui? |
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| 23:18.31 | dimir | lcuk: this file gets generated. I have proper entry in control file. The error is the result of the warnings. |
| 23:19.16 | dimir | > grep binary:Version debian/control |
| 23:19.34 | dimir | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, mypackage (= ${binary:Version}) |
| 23:19.42 | dimir | > sed -n '6p' debian/groovemail-dbg/DEBIAN/control |
| 23:19.42 | dimir | Depends: groovemail (= ) |
| 23:20.26 | lcuk | # |
| 23:20.26 | lcuk | dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/mypackage-dbg/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `mypackage-dbg': |
| 23:20.26 | lcuk | # |
| 23:20.27 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.27 | lcuk | # |
| 23:20.27 | lcuk | dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512 |
| 23:20.36 | lcuk | note, it says version string is empty |
| 23:21.43 | lcuk | which is where the warning came from |
| 23:21.57 | lcuk | sees the first 2 errors every time |
| 23:22.03 | lcuk | without consequence |
| 23:25.16 | lcuk | # |
| 23:25.16 | lcuk | dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/mypackage-dbg/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `mypackage-dbg': |
| 23:25.16 | lcuk | # |
| 23:25.16 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.16 | lcuk | # |
| 23:25.16 | lcuk | dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512 |
| 23:25.27 | lcuk | Several packages fail saying "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${binary:Version}". This is because maemo's dpkg is 1.13.13, and ${binary:Version} was introduced in dpkg 1.13.19. Etch's is currently at 1.13.22. |
| 23:25.34 | lcuk | even grrrrr @ paste fail |
| 23:26.39 | woglinde | hm |
| 23:26.48 | woglinde | hihi |
| 23:27.00 | woglinde | good you dont fill the autobuilder |
| 23:27.32 | lcuk | lol hi woglinde |
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| 23:29.41 | woglinde | hrms |
| 23:29.41 | lcuk | is way past bedtime anyway, gnite o |
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| 23:30.01 | woglinde | anyone knows how to mount sshfs with mapping uid? |
| 23:30.05 | dimir | Well, this is why I have listed the packages installed: |
| 23:30.07 | dimir | ii dpkg 1.15.4.1+maemo4+0m6 |
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| 23:30.40 | dimir | I know about change Source:Version -> binary:Version |
| 23:31.10 | woglinde | ah found it |
| 23:31.13 | dimir | And this has worked for months, before something, and I can't realize what, came in. |
| 23:31.35 | woglinde | debhelper 7 is cool |
| 23:32.39 | pupnik | "Both parties tried very hard to be as slow as possible and finally Nokia lost temper in this snail race" - Fanoush haaahahaha :-) |
| 23:33.12 | woglinde | so uploading imlib now |
| 23:33.13 | woglinde | args |
| 23:33.21 | woglinde | section i need to adjust |
| 23:34.58 | woglinde | lol |
| 23:35.06 | woglinde | user/navigation (Location &) Navigation maemo-mapper, Navit |
| 23:35.16 | woglinde | mapper has seciton user/other |
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| 23:38.16 | pupnik | tss. |
| 23:41.57 | pupnik | hell. i lost nogravity source/data. |
| 23:51.15 | Arkenoi | wonders if this thing is real: http://cgi.ebay.ca/High-Capacity-1700mAh-BL-5J-Battery-Nokia-5800-5800XM_W0QQitemZ390068277375QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item5ad1e1907f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_4951wt_1028 |
| 23:51.43 | SpeedEvil | It is almost certainly a battery shaped object |
| 23:52.43 | pupnik | Arkenoi: theres a thread on t.m.o about them |
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| 23:53.18 | SpeedEvil | buy one, try it. |
| 23:53.29 | SpeedEvil | Worst case is it catches light, and burns off your genitals. |
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| 23:54.10 | Arkenoi | i purchased chinese "1200" mA*H BLB-2 batteries (original one is 700). Looks like it really lasts 1.5 times longer, maybe not expected 1200 but more than 1000 certainly |
| 23:54.13 | SpeedEvil | We don't however need pics. |
| 23:54.30 | thresh | Arkenoi: where did you get those? |
| 23:54.37 | SpeedEvil | It'll depend on what drain somewhat |
| 23:54.38 | Arkenoi | so i will try |
| 23:54.44 | Arkenoi | thresh: from ebay |
| 23:54.45 | SpeedEvil | though even cheap li-ion have gotten lots cheaper |
| 23:56.39 | Arkenoi | and i had some bad experience as well - a eee pc battery with almost half of the cells being defective |
| 23:57.00 | crashanddie_mbp | I love it when Windows users start giving long-term advice about a device they've had for a month |
| 23:57.11 | crashanddie_mbp | "I'm aiming at reflashing every 6 months or so" |
| 23:57.12 | pupnik | nokia bp5l is available for reasonable cost |
| 23:57.54 | Arkenoi | so far i purchased several cheap batteries on the ebay and one on the local market |
| 23:58.21 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:58.31 | SpeedEvil | though even cheap li-ion have gotten lots better |
| 23:58.46 | SpeedEvil | There are also things you can do in some cases. |
| 23:58.50 | johnq_ | argh |
| 23:58.51 | pupnik | Like putting bathroom deodorant in a mercedes. |
| 23:58.58 | Arkenoi | 4 from ebay were OK, one was not as good as expected but still cheaper than original one and still having more capacity and one from the local market was pure piece of shit (no surprise if you know russian sellers habits) |
| 23:59.03 | SpeedEvil | If you charge the battery to 90% only - it lasts _significantly_ longer |
| 23:59.05 | johnq_ | somehow my debian/rules does not generate a debian/files file |
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| 23:59.57 | Arkenoi | and one from ebay was defective, not intentionally phony like the later one, just broken |
