| 00:00.07 | eitreach | Are there any interesting repositories available, other than the extras-testing and extras-devel? |
| 00:00.08 | red | thats a recipe for disaster |
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| 00:01.07 | SpeedEvil | disaster at a low level. |
| 00:01.10 | SpeedEvil | worst-case you reflash |
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| 00:05.05 | red | for batterylife i ment |
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| 00:09.28 | pupnik | eitreach: thank cthulhu, no |
| 00:10.38 | pupnik | i think we could do voice control |
| 00:10.57 | pupnik | limited dictionary, no continuous speech |
| 00:11.00 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:11.13 | red | id very much like voice control for initiating phonecalls |
| 00:11.23 | red | and/or starting phonecalles in "speaker" state |
| 00:11.43 | red | like hold camera button when camera lid is closed and say speaker + contactname |
| 00:11.51 | AakashPatel | How do i tether this thing to my mac |
| 00:12.19 | pupnik | i have a great book on practical neural netowks for precisely this |
| 00:12.25 | red | AakashPatel: plug it with usb cable and set pc suite mode first |
| 00:12.36 | AakashPatel | Okay |
| 00:12.45 | red | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=427886 |
| 00:12.50 | red | then go to step 3 and continue |
| 00:12.50 | pupnik | but the only fuckers who have money to blow on this is the US military |
| 00:13.04 | pupnik | heh |
| 00:13.05 | red | :D |
| 00:13.10 | red | perhaps they would contribute! |
| 00:14.37 | pupnik | i know potheads who got DoD money for their whallucinations |
| 00:17.13 | ifreq | http://www.lcarscom.net/sounds.htm <-- for some system sounds :) |
| 00:17.27 | ifreq | still waiting lcars from past 770 to be ported on n900 |
| 00:17.34 | ifreq | (mayb daydreaming only) |
| 00:18.15 | oscillik | ifreq: the N900 doesn't support standard .wav or .mp3 files for system audio sounds? |
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| 00:21.01 | ifreq | oscillik: sure about it? |
| 00:21.49 | oscillik | ifreq: you've confused me. i asked you a question, but you answered with an ambiguous question |
| 00:21.53 | ifreq | oscillik: seems i can add atleast mp3s to sms etc.. |
| 00:22.07 | ifreq | oscillik: yeh well i was allready quite sure it supports |
| 00:22.10 | pupnik | any geerman n900 users here? |
| 00:22.14 | ifreq | so you made me unsure :P |
| 00:22.24 | ifreq | anyways checked, atleast mp3s work |
| 00:22.45 | oscillik | oh right, it's just that you said that you hoped that the lcars sounds from 770 to be ported to the N900 |
| 00:22.57 | ifreq | nope, the lcars theme/desktop |
| 00:22.59 | oscillik | surely if the sounds are originally wav or MP3 files, you wouldn't need to have sounds ported |
| 00:23.00 | oscillik | ahhh |
| 00:23.01 | oscillik | i see |
| 00:23.09 | oscillik | sorry for the confusion |
| 00:23.11 | AakashPatel | heh |
| 00:23.21 | AakashPatel | when i enter the info on the computer for tethering |
| 00:23.24 | ifreq | :) np mayb my bad choise of words |
| 00:23.25 | AakashPatel | the connect button gets greyed out |
| 00:23.31 | AakashPatel | so i cant click it >.< |
| 00:23.34 | Sir_Lancelot | hi guys |
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| 00:23.56 | Sir_Lancelot | besides maemo.org, where can find software for the n900 (also besides Ovi Store) |
| 00:23.57 | Sir_Lancelot | ? |
| 00:24.08 | AakashPatel | The Ovi Store is live? |
| 00:24.16 | luke-jr | Sir_Lancelot: probably nowhere |
| 00:24.28 | Sir_Lancelot | sh*t :( |
| 00:24.34 | Sir_Lancelot | are you sure? |
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| 00:24.59 | ifreq | from <insert random dev site here> |
| 00:25.00 | AakashPatel | Sir_Lancelot: why do you ask? |
| 00:25.24 | Sir_Lancelot | because, apps arenever too much |
| 00:25.36 | Sir_Lancelot | and the repos that I have are quite limited... |
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| 00:26.08 | AakashPatel | why would they have the app manager thing, if theyre gonna have ovi store soon? |
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| 00:26.22 | jshupe | I just got off the phone with Amazon, even though their website says my phone will ship tomorrow they claim "to have no idea when the item will be in". :/ |
| 00:27.26 | andre__ | AakashPatel, because Ovi Store is for commercial apps, while App Manager is for community apps (that are for free) |
| 00:27.33 | AakashPatel | ah |
| 00:28.42 | andre__ | Sir_Lancelot: there is the Extras repository (by default enabled in App Manager), and there are repositories for unstable and risky apps that might need more testing. If you like to live on the edge you can enable Extras-testing and Extras-devel, but applications may drain your battery and other bad things |
| 00:28.55 | andre__ | you've ben warned :) |
| 00:29.13 | Sir_Lancelot | :) |
| 00:29.16 | Sir_Lancelot | thanks\ |
| 00:29.21 | Sir_Lancelot | I have it already ;) |
| 00:29.37 | Elerion | my rootfs on n900 is totally full and i can not even do dpkg -P. what can i do to free some space? |
| 00:30.08 | ifreq | http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/download.php <-- any idea can hotbabe be ported to maemo easily(not a coder or dev so no clue myself) |
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| 00:30.38 | ifreq | Elerion: uninstall some apps via app manager, dont install so much stuff from testing/devel as they prob will fill up your root disk. |
| 00:31.20 | Elerion | ifreq: tried... it fails |
| 00:31.39 | AakashPatel | Hm, who here has tethered with mac |
| 00:32.30 | red | didnt that thread work for u |
| 00:33.04 | AakashPatel | No, for some reason the "Connect" button keeps getting greyed out as soon as i enter the *99# stuff |
| 00:33.32 | red | :/ |
| 00:33.44 | red | perhaps register and post a question |
| 00:34.17 | AakashPatel | eh i should |
| 00:35.26 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: speaking of fun map points |
| 00:35.31 | timeless_mbp | saana, yemen is in the news |
| 00:35.35 | timeless_mbp | there's a civil war there |
| 00:35.44 | timeless_mbp | maybe someday nokia will be able to find it on a map.. |
| 00:36.08 | andre__ | Elerion, delete User manuals |
| 00:36.23 | Elerion | where are they? |
| 00:36.31 | andre__ | for reference, this is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 |
| 00:36.31 | povbot | Bug 5450: Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space |
| 00:36.51 | andre__ | Elerion, More > File Manager > Nokia N 900 > Documents > User Guides |
| 00:37.23 | andre__ | hmm. they are smaller than I thought :-/ |
| 00:37.29 | jebba | OK, well, now that i have a console on my device at boot, at least I know what it's doing when it hangs on boot with the dots like: * (*) * * * |
| 00:37.32 | jebba | MALF |
| 00:37.42 | andre__ | Elerion, and "maemo_software_copyright.pdf" is 285kB. hmm. :-/ |
| 00:38.41 | Elerion | guides are not under rootfs |
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| 00:46.54 | GAN900 | andre__, how did bugday go? |
| 00:47.55 | andre__ | GAN900, still running :) |
| 00:48.11 | andre__ | quite nice, but haven't seen much new people. should probably have a topic next time |
| 00:48.30 | andre__ | as "do what you want and ask if there's questions" is probably a bit overwhelming :) |
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| 00:49.24 | GAN900 | andre__, isn't there a #maemp-bugs? |
| 00:49.37 | GAN900 | Oh, crap |
| 00:49.40 | GAN900 | No wonder. |
| 00:49.59 | FIReun | installed maemo-control on my n770 running 2008he - trying the control panel "usb networking" applet, it says "USB mode is not writable" |
| 00:50.01 | GAN900 | Typo fail |
| 00:50.07 | FIReun | a cursory google search finds nothing, any suggestions? |
| 00:50.16 | GAN900 | andre__, a proper agenda couldn't hurt. |
| 00:50.50 | andre__ | GAN900, yeah. next time :) |
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| 00:55.49 | GAN900 | is running a new user test program with his DDP device. |
| 00:56.49 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 00:56.51 | SpeedEvil | what's that |
| 00:57.06 | red | developer device thingy? |
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| 00:58.15 | SpeedEvil | new user test program |
| 00:58.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | no test on this user |
| 00:59.10 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, finding new users and having them test the N900 |
| 00:59.22 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:59.44 | SpeedEvil | wonders how many the average is before someone runs off with it. |
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| 01:00.03 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: What percentage of them read the on-device-manual? 80%, 90%? |
| 01:00.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | so no new user here anyway. phooo... safe |
| 01:00.24 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, so far? Zero. |
| 01:00.39 | SpeedEvil | Shocking. |
| 01:00.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:00.44 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, people I know, by the way. ;) |
| 01:01.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | thinks manual is quite hard to find |
| 01:01.59 | GAN900 | It's in the box. |
| 01:02.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh THAT flyer |
| 01:02.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought you talk about the thing in myDocs |
| 01:03.18 | GAN900 | They're the same. :P |
| 01:03.18 | SpeedEvil | I did |
| 01:03.23 | SpeedEvil | they aren't |
| 01:03.29 | SpeedEvil | hahahahaahhahahaha |
| 01:03.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | definitely different |
| 01:03.53 | SpeedEvil | notes that GAN900 diddn't read the manual. |
| 01:03.56 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 01:04.09 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, did, actually. :) |
| 01:04.20 | GAN900 | Filled about a dozen bugs on it, too. :) |
| 01:04.30 | lcuk | i had a read through the gettign started tonight |
| 01:04.31 | SpeedEvil | if you think that, and the thing in the box is identical, you diddn't |
| 01:04.36 | SpeedEvil | the getting started |
| 01:04.38 | GAN900 | Only glanced at the one in the box, though. |
| 01:04.45 | SpeedEvil | oh - right |
| 01:04.56 | GAN900 | Said "User Manual" on the first page. |
| 01:04.59 | SpeedEvil | the thing in the box - for example - doesn't mention the default lock code |
| 01:05.01 | Arkenoi | finding pdf manual is described in the paper booklet you get with the phone |
| 01:05.08 | Arkenoi | i don't see any problem with it |
| 01:05.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: nah GAN900 never had a look at the paper ;-D |
| 01:05.15 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: yes - as is the 'getting started' video |
| 01:05.43 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: and the getting started video - if you watch it without internet - when you come to the end, and click 'view more guides' - gives you a blank web browser |
| 01:05.59 | SpeedEvil | I assumed - not unreasonably - at that point - that there wasn't any more guides. |
| 01:06.08 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, have you filed any bugs? :) |
| 01:06.13 | SpeedEvil | yes, on that issue |
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| 01:06.22 | SpeedEvil | and on some others |
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| 01:13.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | anybody toss me a short instruction how to talk AT to modem? which tty, which prog to use? |
| 01:15.59 | Mousey | minicom |
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| 01:16.58 | rlinfati | i request a invitation for submit a extras-devel and a project in garage.... how much need wait for it? ( i make my first app in qt... a google latitude updater ) |
| 01:18.51 | rlinfati | and.... libqt4-maemo5 will be in extras ? ( not sure if goingo to use libqt4 or libqt4-maemo5 ) |
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| 01:31.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | Mousey: thanks. Hoped to hear that advice. Any idea about which tty to use? |
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| 02:01.57 | ryoohki | anyone know the md5sum of RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? |
| 02:02.11 | ryoohki | that's for the wimax edition n810 |
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| 02:04.30 | microlith | mm, time to reflash (again) |
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| 02:05.47 | microlith | at least it's (relatively) painless |
| 02:06.51 | arachnist | are contacts data/history/settings backed-up properly? |
| 02:07.43 | microlith | yes |
| 02:08.10 | microlith | bit of a necessity in this state |
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| 02:17.18 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: or someone can please `dpkg -l getbootstate` for me? |
| 02:17.39 | jebba | microlith: why need to reflash? |
| 02:17.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: ?? |
| 02:18.17 | ryoohki | is there a way to verify RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? i downloaded the wimax edition n810 image and i'd like to verify it |
| 02:18.30 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: can you run that on your system, i just want to see the version that is on a stock system (which is what you are running i assume). |
| 02:18.40 | microlith | jebba: because after enough stupid 32wd_to reboots, eventually it just stops booting |
| 02:18.46 | jebba | that's a lowercase L, not an i, by the wway. |
| 02:18.57 | microlith | it gets to the 5 dots and gets stuck on the 2nd (with the backlight off) |
| 02:19.12 | microlith | and extras-devel seems to be inaccessible to me |
| 02:19.23 | jebba | microlith: you have this problem exactly, I bet: |
| 02:19.23 | red | anyone awake that knows Java and Serializing objects into files? |
| 02:19.23 | jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/dsc_0326.jpg |
| 02:19.27 | jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/dsc_0340.jpg |
| 02:19.58 | microlith | jebba: hey, that looks familiar |
| 02:20.00 | jebba | anyway, can someone just run " dpkg -l getbootstate " for me please? uh, and gimme the output ;) (just version number needed) |
| 02:20.03 | microlith | I assume MALF = malformed |
| 02:20.10 | jebba | microlith: exactly. How full was your drive? |
| 02:20.25 | microlith | jebba: I had at least 65MB free |
| 02:20.29 | jebba | oh. |
| 02:20.30 | microlith | has been careful |
| 02:20.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: dpkg -l getbootstate` |
| 02:20.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | grr c+0 error |
| 02:21.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | i getbootstate 1.0.35+0m5 |
| 02:21.11 | microlith | ditto |
| 02:21.21 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: thx |
| 02:22.49 | microlith | jebba: well that would explain why it fails to boot after enough reboots |
| 02:23.08 | microlith | that strikes me as merely a symptom of the larger problem |
| 02:23.24 | lcuk | andre__, i need liqbase bugs entry please, with classic,library,apps as components available to use. how would I go about it ? |
| 02:24.55 | red | is melting due java.io.NotSerializableException |
| 02:25.31 | andre__ | lcuk, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad#What_applications_maintainers_should_know |
| 02:26.39 | jebba | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 microlith |
| 02:26.40 | povbot | Bug 7019: Please release source code to getbootstate |
| 02:28.17 | GAN900 | wazd, ping? |
| 02:28.28 | andre__ | heh. |
| 02:28.33 | andre__ | tries to find out about getbootstate |
| 02:29.12 | andre__ | yeah, it's closed |
| 02:29.17 | andre__ | found it in the internal list |
| 02:29.23 | jebba | weeps |
| 02:29.45 | andre__ | which is quite ridiculous, given that it's basically only three source files :-P |
| 02:29.52 | jebba | andre__: well, the "second dot lit" thing that I saw at 98% full microlith claims to be seeing with 65M full... |
| 02:30.26 | jebba | andre__: any clue about "reset count". Watchdog? Number of reboots? wa? |
| 02:30.29 | andre__ | no clue, sorry :-/ |
| 02:36.05 | jebba | ok, not much else i can do with it i suppose. reflashing.... |
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| 02:40.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | andre__: almost all closed source is plain ridiculous, considering we can always reverse engineer and it doesn't contain any patent worthy hyper new ideas. Keeping the copyright and simply not GPL it would suffice completely to protect Nokia's interests |
| 02:40.46 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer-8, context? |
| 02:40.53 | andre__ | bug 7019 maybe? :) |
| 02:40.54 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 Release source code of "getbootstate" |
| 02:40.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo |
| 02:41.08 | andre__ | ah |
| 02:41.13 | andre__ | sorry. I mixed up channels |
| 02:41.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | andre__: e.g. dialer/contacts |
| 02:41.24 | andre__ | should not work for more than 12 hours probably :-P |
| 02:41.46 | jebba | microlith: how do you know it's a 32wd_to reboot? So are you getting spontaneous reboots? (I'm assumign that's what 32wd_to is right?) |
| 02:42.13 | jebba | andre__: i have ;) |
| 02:42.29 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer51: nowadays by default new apps should always be open source if there are no competitive or 3rd party reasons, if I remember correctly |
| 02:42.30 | andre__ | but past was different... |
| 02:42.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | andre__: really great news |
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| 02:43.02 | andre__ | I'm not sure with that |
| 02:43.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) |
| 02:43.05 | andre__ | but I think it is |
| 02:43.23 | andre__ | it's complicated |
| 02:43.24 | andre__ | once again links to http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 02:45.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | andre__: thanks for pointer. I have to confess I had too few reading of wiki yet |
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| 02:50.44 | jebba | weird, /sbin/bootstate appears to be free (now?) but not getbootstate? I wonder if that's just oversight. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm/ It's just in svn now. |
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| 02:52.52 | jebba | "getbootstate: Houston, we have a problem, powering off..." Next line: "Welcome to your upstart powered internet tablet." heh |
| 02:54.07 | jebba | actually the reset count can't be a watchdog, because that loads later on in the boot AFAICT |
| 02:55.11 | Guest96848 | how can i add something to PATH on fremantle for the user user? |
| 02:57.54 | jebba | edit ~/.profile add line with PATH=$PATH:/home/user/bin or whatever. IIRC |
| 02:58.15 | jebba | have to log in & out for it to take effect, or perhaps just run: |
| 02:58.33 | jebba | . ~/.profile (note: period then space then ~/.profile).. That should do it. |
| 03:01.15 | Guest96848 | sadly there is no ~/.profile - checked that too |
| 03:02.39 | v2px | no ~/.*rc either |
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| 03:04.09 | jebba | v2px: just create a new .profile |
| 03:04.15 | jebba | doesn't have to be there already |
| 03:04.53 | v2px | ah ok so its executed on login. wasnt sure about that and too lazy to figure it out myself. thx :P |
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| 03:10.47 | jebba | andre__: microlith !!!!! I was able to reboot without reflashing! I just set the thing to R&D mode. sudo ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode |
| 03:10.47 | jebba | It came back up fine! :) |
| 03:11.05 | dmj7261 | zaheerm: lcuk: GAN900: how is the video editing concept going? |
| 03:11.18 | andre__ | uh? nice |
| 03:11.45 | jebba | andre__: ya, so there is defintely something else going on with people seeing * (*) * * * |
| 03:11.46 | jebba | ... |
| 03:12.00 | lcuk | jebba, get that report into the bug report asap.. |
| 03:12.02 | andre__ | jebba, feel free to comment on your bug report about that. weird |
| 03:12.04 | andre__ | hehe |
| 03:12.14 | andre__ | lcuk shares my mind :) |
| 03:12.16 | lcuk | thats quite important |
| 03:12.35 | jebba | andre__: and i kind of pieced that together by the few free remnants of code you guys published in DSM, so thanks for opening those bits up at least. Nokia is gonna double my pay! |
| 03:12.51 | lcuk | yeah andre, anything which allows data recovery without a reflash is a major win! |
| 03:12.56 | jebba | god, can i just cut & paste this shit. hahaha |
| 03:13.11 | jebba | I just had to set time & date at boot and then i was fine. |
| 03:13.15 | andre__ | jebba, Re "you guys": I'm not part of Nokia actually :) |
| 03:13.30 | jebba | lcuk: see http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/ if you haven't yet. |
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| 03:13.36 | lcuk | andre :) but a pretty damn vital member of maemo :) |
| 03:14.03 | jebba | wow. andre__, you're not part of nokia? consultant or something no? anyway, no need to answer. |
| 03:14.26 | jebba | lcuk: any suggestions for places to file that? |
| 03:14.30 | andre__ | jebba: subcontractor. with some nice freedom included :) |
| 03:15.17 | jebba | there's probably a few bugs that could be mentioned. Bug 7019 bug 5450 bug 6350 |
| 03:15.20 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 Release source code of "getbootstate" |
| 03:15.20 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space |
| 03:15.21 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 random reboot bricks device |
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| 03:15.48 | lcuk | random reboots |
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| 03:16.33 | andre__ | reboots - that's the ugliest report I currnelty have. a bunch of comments, definitely several issues in one report, and lots of noise :-/ |
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| 03:16.44 | lcuk | a LOT of noise |
| 03:16.59 | andre__ | yeah :-( |
| 03:17.22 | lcuk | so finding something like this can be investigated |
| 03:17.40 | andre__ | have to make clear that forum and bugzilla are different tools. that's probably complicated if a normal user has never seen those tools before |
| 03:18.19 | andre__ | jebba: |
| 03:18.48 | andre__ | please also add to your comments that R&D mode is *not* recommended and should be disabled again later. It *will* create other side effects |
| 03:18.59 | andre__ | e.g. the keyboard backlight will behave weird et |
| 03:19.01 | andre__ | c |
| 03:19.17 | andre__ | tries to avoid followup noise |
| 03:21.31 | andre__ | jebba, also, your solution is quite Debian/Ubuntu specific, hence nothing for normal Windows users - also worth to mention :) |
| 03:22.08 | jebba | andre__: hah. ya was seeing the weird keyboard thing thx for letting me know that it is "normal" or at least known. |
| 03:22.36 | jebba | i'm running fedora x86_64 fwiw. |
| 03:22.42 | andre__ | please mention it, really :) |
| 03:22.53 | jebba | i guess that's just a reason why the fucking FLASHER should be free software too. Gah, the pain they cause ;) |
| 03:23.05 | andre__ | oh. me too, but i was too lazy to set up sudo here :) |
| 03:23.17 | jebba | ok, i did the comments already, but i'll respam them all again ;) |
| 03:23.44 | jebba | andre__: i'll disable R&D mode on mine first to see if it goes back to brick. 1 min |
| 03:25.16 | jebba | andre__: to be clear, no flasher exists for windows? |
| 03:25.57 | andre__ | errm. actually I must say that I don't know, as my only machine that runs windows has a broken USB :) |
| 03:26.21 | gavin | there's a flasher for windows |
| 03:26.49 | gavin | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 03:27.21 | andre__ | but the "sudo" part won't work on windows |
| 03:27.45 | andre__ | jebba, see, I only want to avoid followup questions / noise. hence the request to be exact in your comment :) thanks in advance |
| 03:27.50 | jebba | also `hg clone http://hg.youterm.com/0xFFFF` the free software flasher now has n900 code, but i havent tested it yet. It can also set R&D mode. |
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| 03:28.35 | jebba | andre__: sry i pooched that then, as i sent it before i read what you wrote. I've been at this for, uh, maybe 14 hours now hehe |
| 03:29.39 | andre__ | jebba, hehe, well, add a second comment :) |
| 03:31.46 | jebba | ah, at least I collided with you on the getbootstate bug. hah |
| 03:33.38 | red | 13,5 hours of Java so far jebba :) |
| 03:33.56 | red | i get the feeling im not in my sharpest of states hehe |
| 03:33.59 | dmj7261 | lcuk: you were doing a video editor mockup, right? |
| 03:35.38 | jebba | i've spend the last few minutes merely trying to press "U" and plug in the fkn cable heh |
| 03:37.19 | red | :D |
| 03:37.43 | red | not that well there either then |
| 03:37.53 | jebba | Yep, setting R&D mode, booting up, setting production mode, booting up A-OK :) No brick. |
| 03:38.34 | jebba | free fone? |
| 03:39.28 | jebba | andre__: is what i wrote in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 ok? I'm just gonna cut & paste relevent bits to the other tickets if it's ok. |
| 03:39.30 | povbot | Bug 7019: Release source code of "getbootstate" |
| 03:39.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: reading about "why closed pkges" and #7019 really kinda made me sad :-/ |
| 03:39.54 | microlith | jebba: if I execute that enable-rd-mode it'll just trigger it without any reflash I assume? |
| 03:41.40 | jebba | microlith: correct. |
| 03:41.44 | GAN900 | dmj7261, haven't kept tabs since BCN |
| 03:42.10 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: ya, nokia will probably have batteries blowing up or something but not let anyone look at the code to protect us or something.... |
| 03:42.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | "huston we got a problem" muhahaha. State MALF, powering off WTF?!?! |
| 03:42.37 | dmj7261 | I don't know where there's even info about it now. |
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| 03:42.54 | GAN900 | jebba, andre__ works for maemo.org. ;) |
| 03:43.44 | andre__ | jebba, if you replace "you" by "Nokia" and drop the last two paragraphs, and mention that your command is linux-only: yes :) |
| 03:44.46 | jebba | ah gotcha. |
| 03:44.57 | jebba | heh. s/redhat/fedora stuff ya,. |
| 03:46.26 | jebba | ah, ya, but that "you" part wont go in other bugs as it's different issue. |
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| 03:50.21 | jadams | I have an n900. I'd like to stream the videocamera feed over the wifi to another machine on the local network. I would assume gstreamer is the way to go. Am I incorrect? |
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| 03:51.10 | jebba | bug 5450 is marked Resolved: FIXED hehe |
| 03:51.11 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space |
| 03:51.15 | andre__ | jadams, define "way to go" |
| 03:51.41 | microlith | jebba: just noticed the weird behavior from R&D mode you mentioned |
| 03:51.49 | jadams | andre__: definition: will work, at all, to stream video over the local lan (i.e. not qik) |
| 03:52.55 | andre__ | jadams, you know that gstreamer is a backend? |
| 03:53.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | Obviously depends on the streaming format you choose |
| 03:53.21 | jebba | microlith: uh, did booting up in R&D mode de-brick for you? Or were you not bricked? |
| 03:53.38 | microlith | jebba: was not bricked at the time, however that will be handy in the future |
| 03:54.01 | jebba | ok, definitely let me know. |
| 03:54.03 | microlith | will do |
| 03:54.03 | jebba | plz :) |
| 03:54.25 | microlith | if things go like I expect, it will self-brick before I am home tomorrow :/ |
| 03:54.51 | red | microlith: in short what causes the self-bricking? :o |
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| 03:55.22 | microlith | red: bug 6350 |
| 03:55.23 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 random reboot bricks device |
| 03:55.27 | microlith | but the device isn't really bricked |
| 03:55.50 | microlith | jebba just pointed out some nokia program causes it to halt during boot because it rebooted too much |
| 03:56.07 | warpatch | can someone tell me the program name of the "secure device" program? I'm a moron and forgot my password. |
| 03:56.46 | red | microlith: mmm.. i've not experienced any random reboots and had the phone a bit over a week now, using 10+ testing and 2 devel software |
| 03:56.53 | andre__ | warpatch, ??? |
| 03:57.10 | red | is that random rebooting something hardware oriented or probably affecting all units? |
| 03:57.11 | andre__ | what "secure device" program? |
| 03:57.11 | jebba | i've only had 1 random reboot days ago |
| 03:57.17 | warpatch | andre__: I was hoping to killall -9 the program. guess that won't work? |
| 03:57.30 | microlith | mine's been doing it pretty furiously since friday |
| 03:57.32 | andre__ | warpatch, now if I had a clue what you talk about... :) |
| 03:57.40 | microlith | had to reflash sunday, monday, and today |
| 03:58.15 | jebba | microlith: you could try my kernel that has framebuffer console too, which will give more debug info. But only if you're comfortable with kernels/modules/etc, otherwise.... |
| 03:58.22 | red | microlith: by any chance did you use mass storage mode and transfered windows onto the phone via windows? |
| 03:58.22 | warpatch | andre__: hah, well...you click the power button and then you have a couple of options. one locks the phone with a wonderful keypad |
| 03:58.31 | red | files onto* |
| 03:58.49 | microlith | jebba: I don't think it'll make much of a difference, since it's apparently a hardware watchdog kicking it |
| 03:58.51 | andre__ | warpatch, "device lock" |
| 03:58.57 | microlith | red: a couple times, back on sunday |
| 03:59.06 | warpatch | andre__: that is likely it |
| 03:59.11 | andre__ | hehe |
| 03:59.28 | red | it rebooted on friday, but you didnt use mass storage mode with a windows machine until sunday? |
| 03:59.30 | andre__ | warpatch, tried 12345? |
| 03:59.30 | jebba | microlith: but yours bricks after the reboot (sometimes? all times?). Mine was MALFing before the watchdog was even loaded. |
| 03:59.44 | microlith | jebba: after enough reboots it does |
| 03:59.45 | andre__ | warpatch, ah well, if you have reset it... hmm. |
| 03:59.57 | warpatch | andre__: yes, I changed it yesterday and damned if I remember what it is now |
| 03:59.58 | red | silly question, i havent checked, but what filesystem does the N900 use? |
| 04:00.19 | microlith | red: rootfs is ubifs, /opt partition is ext3, remainder of the 32GB is fat32 |
| 04:00.29 | warpatch | andre__: but I remember the root password, so I was hoping to ssh and kill the program if possible |
| 04:00.48 | jebba | haha |
| 04:00.48 | red | microlith: good, ok |
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| 04:01.41 | red | do you "eject" the device or just unplug it from pc? |
| 04:01.59 | andre__ | ejecting is always safer |
| 04:02.08 | microlith | red: since reads/writes aren't cached on removable media, just unplug |
| 04:02.18 | microlith | hard disks and the like I eject |
| 04:02.18 | andre__ | warpatch, interesting idea. no clue if that works :) |
| 04:02.47 | warpatch | andre__: me neither, thats why I was hoping to find the program's name and kill it if it exists :) |
| 04:03.00 | red | one could still argue ejecting to be safer |
| 04:03.23 | red | thought im unsure as if its just the fact i've been told to always do it instead of actually having read some facts to base it on |
| 04:03.39 | red | but as for the bug itself.. pretty mindboggling |
| 04:03.42 | microlith | yeah |
| 04:03.53 | andre__ | warpatch, if ssh works, you could also try devlocktool -C |
| 04:04.56 | Macer | wow. i never noticed that SS uniforms had a skull on them |
| 04:05.08 | red | where did that come from |
| 04:05.12 | Macer | a skull and crossbones :) haha. those nazis sure knew how to make uniforms |
| 04:05.18 | jebba | ... |
| 04:05.30 | Macer | yeah. that was the wrong # sorry :) |
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| 04:06.55 | red | :D |
| 04:07.01 | red | oh well, thanks for the uplift |
| 04:08.03 | warpatch | andre__: well that doesn't seem to do anything really. it doesn't throw an error but it doesn't change the code either |
| 04:08.40 | warpatch | not sure if I'm using it properly, but I believe I am |
| 04:08.44 | andre__ | uh? but it should. what id you enter? |
| 04:08.51 | andre__ | see devlocktool --help |
| 04:09.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | warpatch: nota bene the --help says it needs old CODE to set NEWCODE |
| 04:09.26 | andre__ | argh |
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| 04:09.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | andre__: ;-P |
| 04:09.54 | andre__ | should go to bed soon |
| 04:10.15 | warpatch | DocScrutinizer51: so its probably not giving me an error when I type in the wrong code |
| 04:10.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | no idea |
| 04:10.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | lemme try ;) |
| 04:11.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | obviously no reply, no |
| 04:12.44 | jebba | dbus-send --system --type=method_call \ |
| 04:12.44 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.44 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.44 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.58 | jebba | can probably set it some how with dbus too... |
| 04:14.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | warpatch: if any of the hackers here could spot the *file* where the lock code is stored then you most likely can reset it by simply editing or copying over the original |
| 04:15.04 | jebba | warpatch: does this say that it's locked? gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock |
| 04:15.06 | warpatch | ugh, whats even ridiculous is that I can apparently answer incoming phonecalls |
| 04:15.11 | jebba | haha |
| 04:15.13 | warpatch | someone just called me and let me answer |
| 04:15.23 | warpatch | let me check |
| 04:16.16 | red | warpatch: did you change lock code and now as you attempt to enter it it says its wrong? |
| 04:16.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | red: yes |
| 04:16.36 | red | i had the same bug |
| 04:16.38 | warpatch | red: yes. I was almost certain I remembered it but apparently not |
| 04:16.53 | warpatch | its a bug? |
| 04:16.55 | red | well, i did remember and i knew i typed it right |
| 04:17.00 | red | but it didnt work |
| 04:17.07 | red | restarting the phone made it work |
| 04:17.23 | red | so there was some odd bug that the default code didnt work, nor the new one i entered, until i rebooted |
| 04:17.40 | red | incase u didnt boot yet give it a try |
| 04:30.34 | red | any luck? |
| 04:31.30 | jebba | gconftool-2 --get /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_failed |
| 04:31.32 | jebba | that's cute |
| 04:31.35 | jebba | i'm getting there.... |
| 04:33.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: is this a bug? when display is set to "don't dim while charging" it still doesn,t undim on charger plugin |
| 04:33.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: could aslo be a feature ;-) |
| 04:33.54 | red | i suppose that means the automagic dimming depending on lighting |
| 04:33.57 | red | and not the idle dimming |
| 04:34.13 | red | atleast thats how i thought |
| 04:34.22 | andre__ | what is "undim"? |
| 04:34.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | andre__: enable backlight |
| 04:34.50 | red | change brightness to full when you plug to charger? :p |
| 04:34.51 | andre__ | heh. ah :) |
| 04:34.55 | jebba | hmm, changing everything related to "lock" in gconftool and rebooting still comes up locked, so i dont think it is set there. |
| 04:35.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: to unlock?? |
| 04:35.53 | red | could there be a temp file which when present indicates locked state? |
| 04:36.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | could aslso actually be the lock code for modem |
| 04:36.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | handled completely outside linux system, on modem |
| 04:37.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | except the requester itself |
| 04:38.02 | jebba | well, it's gotta be in there *somewhere*... |
| 04:38.23 | jebba | i'll find it some day ;) |
| 04:38.24 | red | thought the lockdown code isn't sim based so would be odd to be handled in the modem |
| 04:39.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | red: I'm not sure. AIUI a change of SIM as well triggers the hw lock |
| 04:39.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | SIM is modem subsys domain |
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| 04:44.57 | red | mm, true |
| 04:45.17 | red | out of my ballpark anyhow |
| 04:45.37 | red | im just the type of person to throw up suggestions even when I probably should just shut my trap :) |
| 04:46.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | red: jebba: so odds are you never find a location in any filesystem to change/reset hw lock code |
| 04:46.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | and you might end up with a locked modem even if warpatch managed to kill -9 lockerprog |
| 04:47.18 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: well, i bet it's there somewhere. nvram in some systems. Even if the code itself is in the SIM or something, it's linux that is locking the screen, ala xscreesaver-ish. *that* can be killed. |
| 04:47.30 | jebba | ah, good point tho |
| 04:47.49 | jebba | even that's gotta be recoverable i would think.... |
| 04:48.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep. by secrect incantation built by IMEI modulo PI |
| 04:49.12 | jebba | man i'm glad i didnt have to reflash this thing. |
| 04:50.19 | jebba | i'm outta here for the night though. hasta mañana.... |
| 04:50.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | buenas notches |
| 04:51.18 | red | and i still have 4 more hours of java debugging before software showcasing |
| 04:51.33 | red | hate |
| 04:52.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeew. enjoy ;-) |
| 04:52.31 | RolaBlade | Hi... anyone here know how or where I can find information on how to install maemo sdk on Arch Linux? Thanks |
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| 05:00.57 | jebba | RolaBlade: uh, dunno, but i can give you an account on a system with SDK. http://www.freemoe.org (uh, still here, my calendar is whacked due to reset and brokentimezoneness in buenos aires gah) |
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| 05:48.35 | joppu_ | Theme "reflect" now in extras-testing. Test test test! |
| 05:48.35 | johnx | ooooh. is it shiny? |
| 05:48.35 | joppu_ | It's _really_ shiny |
| 05:48.35 | red | Need to find where my phone is and then ill test, brb :) |
| 05:48.36 | red | what category? |
| 05:48.37 | joppu_ | uh... |
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| 05:48.45 | red | nothing named reflect on the listings |
| 05:48.45 | red | did refresh before checking "All" |
| 05:49.45 | joppu_ | Perhaps it's in an illegal category? |
| 05:49.45 | red | wtf, sudo gainroot is prompting me for a password? |
| 05:49.59 | joppu_ | Autobuilder reports success |
| 05:50.08 | johnx | red: install rootsh |
| 05:50.19 | red | i have it |
| 05:50.24 | johnx | type: root |
| 05:50.28 | red | and it worked 2 days ago |
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| 05:50.44 | red | meh, went in |
| 05:50.50 | red | did the command change? |
| 05:50.58 | red | i recall an update to it |
| 05:51.03 | red | not sure if i used it after |
| 05:51.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | sudo gainroot |
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| 06:06.52 | johnx | ddos/netsplits are killing me. I'll be back later |
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| 06:07.01 | red | slaps joppu_ |
| 06:07.01 | red | tension building here dude :) |
| 06:07.41 | v2px | :P |
| 06:07.41 | v2px | the alternative is to provide screenshots |
| 06:08.26 | red | yep |
| 06:09.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | drops a thermonuclear device on scriptkiddies, botnet maffia, and every single windoof user too lame to keep malware (beyond the one big virus from Redmond) off his box |
| 06:10.19 | red | whats the xulrunner packages on the device? |
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| 06:10.53 | v2px | windoof user? :P |
| 06:11.31 | RST38h | Michal Jerz is gooood |
| 06:11.35 | v2px | red: for microb maybe? |
| 06:11.48 | RST38h | found the first maemo-related site (outside maemo.org) that is worth reading |
| 06:11.51 | ShadowJK | fails to find conference mode in maemo5 xchat |
| 06:12.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's confmode? |
| 06:12.37 | ShadowJK | hide joins and parts |
| 06:12.43 | red | ok |
| 06:12.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | click and hold chan tab |
| 06:12.53 | ShadowJK | so i dont see the netsplitting |
| 06:12.58 | ShadowJK | nope not there |
| 06:13.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | on 900 |
| 06:13.16 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 06:13.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | on 810 no idea |
| 06:13.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | not there |
| 06:14.20 | v2px | try /set and pick the right option |
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| 06:14.44 | ShadowJK | /set is kinda not useful in xchat |
| 06:15.00 | ShadowJK | and no per-channel settings are there |
| 06:15.02 | red | Anyone have any ideas how to free space on rootfs partition? Mine shows 95% usage even thought there arent that many applications installed currently |
| 06:15.13 | red | is there any way to purge/flush trash files or something like that? |
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| 06:17.27 | joerg_42 | reboot |
| 06:17.53 | joppu_ | v2px: yeah, seems so :( |
| 06:18.12 | red | doh, I tried that after removing some software already, with little change to free space.. 97% -> 95% |
| 06:18.35 | joppu_ | And yeah, it was in devel, my bad, my bad |
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| 06:18.57 | red | joppu_: and i386 |
| 06:19.12 | flux | red, have you installed stuff from extras or extras-devel? |
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| 06:19.18 | v2px | screenie pls :x |
| 06:19.33 | joppu_ | red: yeah, I need to rebuild it :( |
| 06:19.36 | red | flux: one software from extras-devel (client to stream stuff from a media server), butterfly from extras-testing among few |
| 06:20.04 | joppu_ | v2px: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/805039/img/glossy_test2.png |
| 06:20.20 | red | im aware of the issues that they might eat up space etc |
| 06:20.32 | v2px | thx joppu_ |
| 06:20.32 | red | just asking if theres any way to cleanup other than reflash etc |
| 06:20.44 | ShadowJK | aha, /chanopt confmode obn |
| 06:20.53 | ShadowJK | s/obn/on/ |
| 06:20.54 | flux | well, I'm not worried, I'm at 95% :) |
| 06:21.07 | red | 95% used and not worried? |
| 06:21.20 | flux | the amount doesn't seem to be increasing. |
| 06:21.30 | flux | (by itself) |
| 06:21.47 | flux | and I'm sure I have a bunch of software installed in the partition |
| 06:21.49 | red | ah ye, well.. deleted all things i really dont use and im at 92% now |
| 06:21.58 | v2px | i have 90% |
| 06:22.09 | red | and im 92% sure its not increasing itself aswell so no worries |
| 06:22.27 | red | but i do wonder why nokia went so cheap and made the fast partition that small |
| 06:23.02 | red | or perhaps they underestimated the need.. no idea, someone wiser might know |
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| 06:23.18 | flux | it is likely the hardware decisions were made much in advance, and 256 might have sounded a lot bigger back then. |
| 06:23.50 | flux | and when you make millions of devices (not sure what's the status of n900), every euro counts :) |
| 06:24.06 | red | :) |
| 06:24.27 | ShadowJK | and there's 32gig on the other chip |
| 06:24.35 | redeeman | it also counts that people don't "break" their devices when installing stuff |
| 06:24.41 | ShadowJK | if only software would use that instead |
| 06:24.51 | luke-jr | um |
| 06:24.59 | ShadowJK | and completely ignore the / chip |
| 06:25.03 | luke-jr | root partition probably has reserved blocks? |
| 06:25.30 | joerg_42 | 256M is SoC storage I guess |
| 06:26.05 | ShadowJK | well it's soldered ontop of the soc |
| 06:26.21 | joerg_42 | ShadowJK: lol |
| 06:26.30 | joerg_42 | yeah somehow |
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| 06:26.35 | ShadowJK | package on package |
| 06:26.44 | joerg_42 | by TI though |
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| 06:27.03 | ShadowJK | dont think so |
| 06:27.19 | ShadowJK | ram is in the same chip I think |
| 06:29.47 | red | joppu_: is ur themes only change the glossy virtual keyboard? |
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| 06:39.30 | slonopotamus | moooorning |
| 06:42.06 | v2px | i like this theme: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:M4w5Qh.png |
| 06:45.06 | red | filthy : inside an url |
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| 06:45.26 | v2px | :P |
| 06:45.35 | v2px | better this way? http://wiki.maemo.org/images/b/b6/M4w5Qh.png |
| 06:46.02 | red | why doesnt the n900 virtual desktop icons have snapping? :p |
| 06:47.04 | v2px | yea i miss that. is there a brainstorm or something about it? |
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| 06:49.34 | red | no idea, but it makes the perfectionist in me cry silently |
| 06:49.45 | red | nudging stuff back and forth with stylus for hours :D |
| 06:49.59 | red | and then accidentally enabling desktop config and pushing some icon off balance |
| 06:50.16 | v2px | i was hoping i'm not the only one doing that :D |
| 06:50.48 | red | haha |
| 06:50.51 | v2px | or accidentally tapping on the X on a icon |
| 06:51.55 | KMFDM | please snapping |
| 06:51.57 | KMFDM | oh yes please |
| 06:52.07 | KMFDM | i also |
| 06:52.10 | KMFDM | spend so much time |
| 06:52.12 | KMFDM | fixing it |
| 06:52.20 | KMFDM | and then i accidentally move something |
| 06:52.27 | KMFDM | i want a way to lock the desktop honestly |
| 06:52.35 | KMFDM | so i can't accidentally go into edit mode |
| 06:52.38 | KMFDM | and wipe half of my icons |
| 06:52.50 | KMFDM | as has happened before when i dropped the phone into my pocket |
| 06:53.23 | v2px | :D :D |
| 06:54.22 | v2px | my desktop (i use only one): http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1527/a63846504ce44d3c8ab88957771ff28e.jpg |
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| 06:54.53 | v2px | but the screenie is old. fixed the icons later tonigt |
| 06:55.17 | tigert | red: theres a grid |
| 06:55.25 | tigert | its just 4px iirc |
| 06:55.28 | v2px | there it is http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1529/6e69fc7689fb47f1bb8292e7649371b1.jpg |
| 06:55.37 | v2px | there really is a grid? |
| 06:55.37 | tigert | which makes it 0.4mm |
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| 06:55.57 | tigert | but go poke in hildondesktop.ini |
| 06:56.07 | tigert | i think thats the filename |
| 06:56.12 | tigert | it can be changed |
| 06:56.19 | tigert | looks |
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| 06:58.40 | tigert | no wait hmm |
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| 06:59.54 | tigert | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.08 | tigert | but i think the grid was somewhere too... |
| 07:00.12 | tigert | looks |
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| 07:02.10 | v2px | tries to wait patiently |
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| 07:06.39 | tigert | darn, cannot find |
| 07:06.54 | tigert | i remember someone mentioning this though |
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| 07:08.34 | v2px | *sigh* |
| 07:09.35 | redeeman | nokia has said that won't come before maemo 6 |
| 07:09.43 | red | tigert: well there is some adjancing grid when adding stuff on the desktop |
| 07:09.50 | red | but nothing snaps to it while dragging |
| 07:10.11 | red | when you click done it moves around the items by a small amount but its negligible |
| 07:10.47 | red | redeeman: wtf.. |
| 07:10.57 | red | they cant be serious, thats such a small thing |
| 07:11.07 | redeeman | according to them its not a "no brainer" |
| 07:11.22 | redeeman | maemo 5 is a joke to them |
| 07:11.35 | red | well I hope to god you can upgrade N900 to Maemo 6 |
| 07:11.44 | redeeman | according to nokia you cant :P |
| 07:11.52 | red | ... |
| 07:11.55 | tigert | hmm |
| 07:12.14 | red | i almost feel as screwed as to when the truth about apples nazim over appstore finally hit me |
| 07:12.35 | redeeman | it really is weird nokia is doing nothing to maemo 5 |
| 07:13.47 | v2px | i thought there is a update coming b4 christmas? |
| 07:13.54 | red | so much for having a perfect opensource platform which has GUI layer mostly locked and Nokia deciding not to cater for it |
| 07:14.07 | red | makes absolutely no sense at all |
| 07:14.16 | v2px | acks |
| 07:14.25 | ShadowJK | Oh have they said you can't now? |
| 07:14.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | for now I suggest to keep a backup of the .desktop or whatever the file/dir is called. Then simply restore when you accidentally messed your beloved desktop |
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| 07:14.48 | redeeman | v2px: yes but who knows what that will contain, probably minor stuff |
| 07:15.00 | adeus | bug fixes probably |
| 07:15.15 | redeeman | but nokia only considers very few things bugs |
| 07:15.19 | tigert | v2px: let me ask the folks, are you going to be around? |
| 07:15.22 | red | wonder if they are trying to hook clients for having almost nice phone and trying to get them to upgrade to another expensive phone then |
| 07:15.33 | v2px | tigert: sure |
| 07:16.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | red: sounds much like FUD rant |
| 07:16.22 | v2px | i'm hoping for "the community" to replace the closed-source stuff with open alternatives |
| 07:16.28 | v2px | :> |
| 07:16.32 | ShadowJK | v2px, checked out mer? |
| 07:16.38 | red | whats a FUD rant? |
| 07:16.45 | ShadowJK | Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt |
| 07:16.49 | redeeman | DocScrutinizer-8: while they probably arent trying to "hook" people, they are effectively abandoning maemo 5 basically before its out the door |
| 07:16.52 | v2px | ShadowJK: not yet. is it worth a try? :P |
| 07:17.05 | red | im only experssing disgust if they really dont consider maemo 5 worth developing further and not making upgrading to Maemo 6 possible |
| 07:17.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | redeeman: who told that? |
| 07:17.22 | ShadowJK | v2px, I mean everyone that wants to open up teh closed source ought to work on/with Mer and the Mer people |
| 07:17.52 | v2px | i'd help if i could do something good |
| 07:18.01 | redeeman | DocScrutinizer-8: well.. johnx said that nokia said maemo 6 won't be coming to N900, and reading the bug reports (including some i made myself) it becomes abundantly clear that they are not interresting in anything that cannot be fixed with 5 minutes hacking |
| 07:18.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | red: there's just exactly *one* word in your statement :"if" |
| 07:18.20 | v2px | ShadowJK: i know perl! does this help? *hides* |
| 07:18.35 | redeeman | DocScrutinizer-8: furthermore they state "this feature will come in later maemo devices....." when its REALLY simple and basic features they for some grotesk reason omitted |
| 07:18.39 | ShadowJK | v2px, surely if you can distinguish perl from noise you can wrap your head around anything? |
| 07:19.13 | v2px | ShadowJK: :> you got a point there |
| 07:20.13 | ShadowJK | What I find annoying is that a bug is not a bug if the bug is in the spec, and it's hard to discover what the spec is |
| 07:20.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, nokia managed with a lot of pain obviously to push N900 out the door just 2 weeks ago |
| 07:20.32 | red | DocScrutinizer-8: im basing my ranting on what johnx said nokia said - which i cannot know for certain, hence the if |
| 07:20.49 | red | really im just afraid and dunno if i should be angry or what :p |
| 07:20.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so I'm reluctant to speculate about their dedication to "small simple fixes" |
| 07:21.05 | redeeman | i can understand that more advanced non-completely-basic features might not come to n900/maemo 5, i can even to some degree understand maemo 6 not coming, but the bugs/barebone features that they are refusing to fix for maemo 5 is frankly too much |
| 07:21.32 | pupnik | k goodbye |
| 07:21.34 | red | what redeeman said exactly |
| 07:21.54 | redeeman | especially given that some of the features are even essential to have officially listed features work |
| 07:21.55 | redeeman | for instance |
| 07:21.56 | red | still im going to stay hopeful, can't know until they state something officially :) |
| 07:21.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | red: exactly. scratch all other words. the if is sufficient |
| 07:22.00 | redeeman | saving sent mail on imap sent folder |
| 07:22.08 | redeeman | which they refuse to fix in maemo 5 |
| 07:22.14 | redeeman | they cant freaking list imap as supported without that |
| 07:22.17 | pupnik | mail works fine here |
| 07:22.25 | redeeman | pupnik: does it store sent mail on server? i think not |
| 07:22.40 | ShadowJK | modest is suck, but I don't see anyone from community even trying to fix that either |
| 07:22.47 | red | DocScrutinizer-8: why are you grabbing one word in few sentences only? are you not worried one bit or don't feel like the features missing are of importance? |
| 07:23.01 | red | or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing. i find it hard to make out |
| 07:23.05 | redeeman | ShadowJK: be that as it may, nokia is supposed to provide the basic features |
| 07:23.09 | pupnik | i use webmail since .. the web :) |
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| 07:23.42 | redeeman | ShadowJK: but some parts of things are not even open, for instance, im told the calling application is closed, that makes it somewhat hard for us to work with |
| 07:23.44 | red | for my gmail account imap stores sent messages, drafts not thought |
| 07:23.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm just not silly enough to argue and rant after 2 weeks from official release about sth that someone said foo |
| 07:24.21 | redeeman | DocScrutinizer-8: most of the rant is about the responses to reported bugs |
| 07:24.36 | redeeman | red: great, so it works if you use the magical gmail preset? |
| 07:24.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I give a shit to those responses |
| 07:24.55 | red | redeeman: i chose gmail from the list and entered details |
| 07:25.05 | red | DocScrutinizer-8: yet you are arguing, so your attempt to place yourself above it kinda fails. |
| 07:25.13 | redeeman | red: including imap server, port, authentication etc? |
| 07:25.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nokia is in panic mode right ATM |
| 07:25.31 | pupnik | they are? |
| 07:25.32 | red | if i recall correctly, it was a quick setup and among first things i did |
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| 07:25.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | red: huh? |
| 07:26.01 | redeeman | well if they want to sell N900 they'd better fix the most basic things, as it stands now nobody that's serious about using even the simplest PIM features can do anything but laugh at N900 |
| 07:26.54 | pupnik | are you done? |
| 07:27.12 | v2px | but i can have scumm on my n900. thats enough to make me happy |
| 07:27.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so WHAT? microsoft does not fix any bugs TWELFE TIMES a year for at least as long as Nokia did now |
| 07:27.38 | pupnik | redeeman: do you have an n900? |
| 07:27.41 | redeeman | nobody said microsoft is usable to any degree? |
| 07:27.43 | redeeman | pupnik: i do |
| 07:28.00 | redeeman | and one of the things i expected when i read that it supports imap, is to have sent mails stored on server |
| 07:28.12 | redeeman | not to mention namespace support since most imap servers uses that |
| 07:28.16 | red | DocScrutinizer-8: do you really get bothered by me expressing worry of things i think are important and might be neglected in a casual place as IRC? when i clearly stated that im just afraid if it goes as the hearsay implicates. |
| 07:28.18 | redeeman | (allthough surprisingly they are willing to fix that) |
| 07:28.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | c'mon that's plain ridiculous to rant here "eew nokia abandons maemo5. for 2 weeks they came with no fix" |
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| 07:28.49 | pupnik | when are you returning it? |
| 07:29.12 | redeeman | DocScrutinizer-8: im not saying fix should come that fast, but they are outright refusing it on the bug tracker, and furthermore, this is a feature nobody sane could _EVER_ think of omitting in the first place |
| 07:29.20 | red | i didnt talk about any fixes, dont mix up :p |
| 07:29.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | red: I'm worried *if* the sky falls down on my head |
| 07:29.27 | redeeman | pupnik: im not, because i can live without that, but im certainly not recommending it either |
| 07:29.50 | red | DocScrutinizer-8: why bother replying if you dont answer? |
| 07:30.04 | red | grow up tbh |
| 07:30.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | lol |
| 07:30.56 | redeeman | ofcourse if you're saying that a response on the bugtracker like "store sent mail on server? omfg thats big change!! not in maemo 5!" means they will probably still do it, i take my comments back |
| 07:31.04 | redeeman | but what am i supposed to think when i get such a response? |
| 07:31.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | shrugs and leaves kindergarden |
| 07:31.23 | mtrlt | it's kindergarten |
| 07:31.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | have a nice time kids. behave |
| 07:31.42 | redeeman | you are not responding to the statement |
| 07:31.51 | redeeman | i must take that as that you cannot back your own statements |
| 07:32.06 | pupnik | redeeman: http://lmgtfy.com/!q=linux+email+client |
| 07:32.18 | redeeman | url doesn't even work |
| 07:32.35 | pupnik | ha ha |
| 07:32.42 | redeeman | and besides, pupnik, that's besides the point, official feature list says it supports imap, fact is it does not, fact is they have openly refused to fix it |
| 07:32.43 | pupnik | are you useless? |
| 07:32.46 | redeeman | now respond to THAT |
| 07:33.15 | pupnik | ah |
| 07:33.27 | red | quite amusing that this guy tackles one word, repeats the same argument over and over and doesn't respond to direct question and still behaves like above others :p |
| 07:33.38 | pupnik | didnt know that. in which case you may have a point buried in there |
| 07:33.40 | redeeman | red: yes, its quite amusing |
| 07:33.50 | pupnik | now |
| 07:33.55 | redeeman | pupnik: i know you dont, because you didn't read what i wrote, but just felt like commenting anyway |
| 07:34.19 | pupnik | you are so important, i can not describe it |
| 07:34.35 | redeeman | i imagine quite alot of other people would wish that feature aswell |
| 07:34.46 | redeeman | either way, if they list it, they should deliver it |
| 07:35.03 | red | perhaps imap bugging for you is affected by some other issue |
| 07:35.08 | pupnik | and you sir, should return it |
| 07:35.17 | red | for me it works without a hitch, and could have been same for nokia testing it |
| 07:35.29 | redeeman | red: according to the bug report its not a supported feature, and won't be |
| 07:35.50 | red | perhaps the person checking the bugreport had a brainfart, mistakes happend |
| 07:36.08 | redeeman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2557 |
| 07:36.09 | povbot | Bug 2557: Keep Sent and Drafts on IMAP server |
| 07:36.11 | red | should just give it a couple weeks and see how the situation developes |
| 07:37.36 | red | from the attention its gotten it really seems like its low priority feature for nokia |
| 07:37.50 | redeeman | pupnik: i don't even think i can return it anymore, and that's STILL irellevant, when they announce a feature, they had better deliver it, otherwise they are simply lying |
| 07:37.59 | red | must remind you, that not all desktop email clients support sent items saving on the mailbox globally either |
| 07:38.24 | redeeman | i know of no imap-supporting client that does not |
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| 07:38.46 | redeeman | evolution, kmail, thunderbird, cone, sylpheed |
| 07:38.56 | redeeman | hell even outlook probably does |
| 07:41.06 | redeeman | pupnik: http://www.strandreports.com/sw4031.asp <-- i would recommend you spend 5 minutes reading this, and then reflect upon this little conversation :) |
| 07:42.26 | red | and btw evolution isnt perfect either, it wont save drafts aswell and one could argue it is a lack of a feature in the same ballpark, not as severe thought |
| 07:42.38 | red | it can be worked around with some tweaking thought |
| 07:42.42 | red | im mostly worried about the possible lack of support for the os in future, but its really way too early to know for sure and ive just seen hearsay and nothing official about it |
| 07:42.55 | red | doesnt mean it won't make me worry, but i stay optimistic |
| 07:43.21 | redeeman | evolution can save drafts on server |
| 07:43.26 | redeeman | you just choose it under the account settings |
| 07:43.39 | redeeman | (allthough i have a pretty old evolution, so they MIGHT have removed that, it is gnome after all) |
| 07:45.18 | red | its bugged with default install settings atleast when i started using it just now, and had to rename some folders for it to work properly |
| 07:45.30 | red | wouldnt have found out unless i googled for it |
| 07:45.47 | redeeman | i confess i know nothing of new evolution, but it works in my old one |
| 07:45.49 | red | which i bet some ppl wont bother to do and accept the missing "feature" |
| 07:45.54 | redeeman | perhaps |
| 07:46.12 | red | but for real, we'll really only see around january better, what the future is looking like |
| 07:46.17 | red | too early to say |
| 07:46.26 | red | atleast i hope we know alot more by then :) |
| 07:46.42 | redeeman | well i think it seems pretty clear from the nokia guy that this will not be coming to maemo 5 |
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| 07:49.05 | red | dno, i dont regard irc as the most trustworthy media for information under any case |
| 07:49.27 | redeeman | im talking stuff on the bugtracker |
| 07:49.56 | red | its not set in stone, what they write there :p |
| 07:50.09 | red | neither is what is closed for community |
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| 07:54.50 | joppu_ | red: no, it changes virtually anything in the UI |
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| 08:37.05 | sergio_ | hi guys |
| 08:37.16 | sergio_ | I'm having problems today with git.maemo.org |
| 08:37.23 | sergio_ | I'm getting a SSL certificate error |
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| 08:46.01 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:46.52 | sejo | morning |
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| 08:53.39 | jaem | morning |
| 08:53.55 | jaem | from Wikipedia: "These combination locks were installed on Minuteman ICBMs in the 1960s. However, the Strategic Air Command in Omaha worried that in times of need, the codes would not be available, so they quietly decided to set them to 00000000; checking this combination was even present on the launch checklists. This was not changed until 1977." |
| 08:53.59 | jaem | *facepalm* |
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| 08:54.25 | harryv | is it correctly understood that e.g. the n900 comes with full root access? no jailbreaking/rooting involved? |
| 08:54.33 | jaem | harryv, you betcha! |
| 08:54.39 | harryv | the lack of articles on how to do so suggests it. |
| 08:54.45 | harryv | nice. |
| 08:54.58 | jaem | well, technically you need to download one app, but it's in the official community repo, and is a one-click deal |
| 08:55.18 | jaem | and it's supported in the sense that they encourage it, although obviously if you break something, it's your fault |
| 08:55.30 | harryv | what does it do? |
| 08:55.38 | jaem | the app is called "rootsh", and thereafter you can use the command "root" to get root |
| 08:56.13 | jaem | not sure exactly how it works, but essentially Nokia just disables sudo access by default so people don't accidentally bork things, and this just undoes what they did in some fashion |
| 08:56.16 | jaem | or something like that |
| 08:56.23 | jaem | but it's completely painless |
| 08:56.44 | jaem | unfortunately, in the default setup you still can't sudo things directly - you have to enter a root shell |
| 08:56.54 | swc|666 | jaem, rofl @ wikipedia article |
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| 08:57.09 | jaem | swc|666, :) - and you thought default router passwords were bad! |
| 08:57.19 | swc|666 | exactly ;) |
| 08:57.19 | fcrozat | hi all.. |
| 08:57.37 | jaem | googles "us missile default launch keys" ;) |
| 08:57.38 | fcrozat | I'm having some issues with ldconfig which crash with bus error on n900 |
| 08:57.43 | fcrozat | (on /usr/lib) |
| 08:57.51 | jaem | heh... at least they realized that was a bad idea after only 17 years |
| 08:58.02 | jaem | fcrozat, hi - more detail, please? |
| 08:58.07 | fcrozat | it seems it appeared when I tried to install omweather or python2.5 |
| 08:58.17 | swc|666 | jaem, yea that's about the speed of bureaucracy |
| 08:58.32 | jaem | swc|666, I imagine the speed of the missiles in the question was rather quicker :P |
| 08:58.47 | fcrozat | needs to install strace to check which file seems to be causing the crash :( |
| 08:59.06 | jaem | fcrozat, hmmm... OMWeather worksforme, but I haven't messed with Python much |
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| 08:59.56 | RST38h | Something changed in Bugzilla. |
| 09:00.08 | jaem | RST38h, is this unusual? |
| 09:00.09 | RST38h | It started sending weirdly formatted emails. |
| 09:00.13 | jaem | :S |
| 09:00.21 | ShadowJK | the camera app is kinda bad at taking pics of people's cards |
| 09:00.30 | jaem | you mean bugzilla has - *gasp* a bug?! |
| 09:00.45 | fcrozat | jaem: well, I "just" installed the stuff from extras repository |
| 09:00.51 | jaem | ShadowJK, that's what you get for cheating at poker |
| 09:01.04 | jaem | fcrozat, what's the error? - brb |
| 09:01.12 | RST38h | No, I mean that something changed. |
| 09:01.13 | krig | anyone know what's the rationale for the weird partitioning scheme? why not map /usr to the mmc rather than /opt? |
| 09:01.29 | ShadowJK | jaem, business cards |
| 09:01.31 | fcrozat | jaem: bus error when /sbin/ldconfig is run by postrm script |
| 09:01.33 | krig | filled his rootfs in no time |
| 09:01.38 | fcrozat | (or when installing new packages) |
| 09:01.39 | RST38h | krig: Because /usr has to become available before mmc is mounted |
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| 09:02.01 | krig | RST38h: aha |
| 09:02.40 | ShadowJK | I thought I'd start doing like the asians, and take picture of people's business cards, and use the N900's tagging feature to be able to find them later |
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| 09:04.22 | jaem | ShadowJK, you should use Evernote with that as wel |
| 09:04.29 | jaem | so you can do a full-text search on the cards |
| 09:05.07 | jaem | it also occurred to me that Evernote would be handy for recording lecture notes in classes such as math, although if you do that, you usually just look like a noob |
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| 09:05.24 | jaem | fcrozat, not sure, to be honest |
| 09:05.46 | fcrozat | jaem: I found strange I'm the only one with the issue |
| 09:06.15 | ShadowJK | biggest challenge is to cover the LEDs with finger, regulating the amount of light, while not covering too much of the lens, so that it still sees enough to focus |
| 09:06.36 | jaem | ShadowJK, hrm |
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| 09:27.34 | lucent | glows happily "N900 arrived, picking it up from USPS office in 6 hours" |
| 09:28.04 | lucent | curious if there's any trick to applying a zagg screen protector to it? |
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| 09:32.06 | lucent | great question though @ sayjava |
| 09:33.23 | tigert | sayjava: the media player uses gstreamer stuff underneath |
| 09:33.29 | tigert | those can be poked at via dbus |
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| 09:43.57 | Jaffa | sayjava: MAFW is a high-level media player API; I *think* it has D-Bus interfaces. |
| 09:45.05 | lucent | Anything a new N900 user should know? like known bugs etc |
| 09:45.22 | lucent | are updates poisonous? |
| 09:45.38 | timeless_mbp | updates haven't happened yet |
| 09:45.44 | timeless_mbp | so asking about them is well... |
| 09:45.57 | timeless_mbp | generally speaking, you'll want the updates |
| 09:46.00 | sivang | hey timeless_mbp |
| 09:46.08 | timeless_mbp | and nokia delays weeks or months testing them before we deliver them |
| 09:46.12 | timeless_mbp | because we're afraid to ship anything |
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| 09:47.24 | lucent | thanks for the advice :) |
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| 09:48.23 | lucent | my only regret is that the N900 doesn't look able to host USB devices |
| 09:49.33 | redeeman | that would have been nice, but well... not really that required |
| 09:49.53 | lucent | due to time-to-market constraints? or just not possible |
| 09:50.26 | lucent | curious about whether we'll see an N900+1 that does host usb |
| 09:51.27 | timeless_mbp | lucent: so, roughly each hardware product nokia has made has been different from the previous one |
| 09:51.47 | timeless_mbp | so one can't apply the logic you're trying to apply to determine whether a future product will or won't have something |
| 09:51.53 | Proteous | due to not wanting to deal with the battery power draw that might happen depending on what USB device people try to plug in |
| 09:51.56 | Proteous | probably |
| 09:52.16 | timeless_mbp | doesn't think that was the reason |
| 09:52.22 | Proteous | well fine then |
| 09:52.25 | Proteous | hmph |
| 09:52.30 | lucent | very good point @ timeless_mbp |
| 09:52.31 | timeless_mbp | you're assuming that the person who selected the component was concerned about that |
| 09:53.08 | lucent | I've heard that the push for micro-usb is very big in Europe |
| 09:53.21 | lucent | does micro-usb allow host device? |
| 09:54.02 | redeeman | microusb is the connector |
| 09:54.06 | redeeman | it allows nothing :P |
| 09:54.08 | timeless_mbp | so, roughly, mini-usb wasn't supposed to do hosting |
| 09:54.11 | Proteous | the connector size probably doesn't have anything to do with what modes it supports |
| 09:54.14 | timeless_mbp | micro-usb was supposed to enable various things |
| 09:54.53 | fcrozat | lucent: there is an EU regulation mandatoring micro-usb as power plug for mobile phone |
| 09:54.58 | lucent | oh, I suggest that because of my experience with Sharp C3xxx devices, a special cable was needed to trigger the host support |
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| 09:55.30 | timeless_mbp | the problem is... |
| 09:55.35 | Proteous | same with the nokia n810 |
| 09:55.41 | timeless_mbp | usb charging became much more important than usb host mode |
| 09:55.56 | Myrtti | lucent: china too |
| 09:56.35 | Proteous | if they would just move to the minuscule USB standard they could solve all these problems |
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| 09:57.15 | Proteous | or was that petite USB |
| 09:57.27 | Proteous | teensy usb? |
| 09:57.40 | Proteous | I can never remember what usb cable to buy |
| 09:58.24 | Myrtti | Proteous: have more coffee |
| 09:58.24 | Proteous | I buy a micro B when I was suppose to get a mini A- |
| 09:58.24 | Proteous | heh |
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| 09:58.51 | Myrtti | _berto_: aloha |
| 09:59.14 | sayjava | jaffa: yes I know it has but it is not documented anywhere |
| 09:59.25 | _berto_ | Myrtti: moi :) |
| 09:59.40 | Proteous | Once they impliment Mondo USB you can have a USB port that doubles as a car mount |
| 10:00.16 | Myrtti | _berto_: any news on last.fm? |
| 10:00.19 | sayjava | tigert: I wanted to use the highlevel framework (mafw) not talk directly with gstreamer |
| 10:00.26 | ShadowJK | N810 has MicroUSB too. N800 has MiniUSB |
| 10:00.46 | _berto_ | Myrtti: I sent them yet another email yesterday, but no reply |
| 10:02.00 | Myrtti | _berto_: reading from a blogpost with their comments, the message was that there's nothing stopping from making mobile clients, as long as they identify as such to last.fm, which allows last.fm to stream the client a stream that has been tailored for such devices |
| 10:02.15 | ShadowJK | what do they mean "tailored" |
| 10:02.22 | ShadowJK | surely you still want 256kbit/s AAC or whatever |
| 10:02.42 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: some of the content is not available for "phones" due to licencing restrictions by the record companies. |
| 10:03.01 | Myrtti | so basically some songs/artists/whatever are not available for phones. |
| 10:03.03 | ShadowJK | oh, well, nokia says I have a mobile computer |
| 10:03.23 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: and that's where we tread on thin ice |
| 10:03.42 | lucent | can't it be a user option "which device do you have?" |
| 10:03.48 | tigert | sayjava: ah ok |
| 10:03.50 | lucent | let user pick. badda bing |
| 10:03.57 | _berto_ | and how am I supposed to identify myself as a mobile client? |
| 10:04.08 | Myrtti | lucent: you think that the record companies would allow that? LOL. |
| 10:04.16 | lucent | well, yeah |
| 10:04.19 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: of note, the n810 didn't support usb charging |
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| 10:04.27 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, yeah |
| 10:04.30 | _berto_ | there's a getMobileSession() function in the API, but that doesn't seem to be for that |
| 10:04.38 | _berto_ | "In some cases, you may want to choose a different authentication path from the obvious (e.g. a mobile app could well use the desktop path if there's a web browser on the device). If in doubt, check them all out." |
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| 10:05.17 | Myrtti | _berto_: I suppose that the API key they issue you will tell them that this particular user is requesting the content with this particular app which is designed to be run on a phone. |
| 10:05.26 | Myrtti | but this is only my speculation |
| 10:05.36 | Myrtti | in reality, I have no idea how that would work |
| 10:06.06 | _berto_ | I haven't seen anything in the API |
| 10:06.22 | _berto_ | and when you request the API key they don't ask if it's for a mobile app or not |
| 10:07.06 | lucent | timeless_mbp: thanks again for the wisdom about N900 vs N810 micro usb functions, it does clear up some confusion I had |
| 10:10.10 | sayjava | Myrtti:I dont think there should be a problem with the device |
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| 10:12.57 | Myrtti | sayjava: I personally don't know what the problem is ;-) |
| 10:13.09 | Lantizia | Lo, can I reflash my N900 back to defaults? (i.e. re-install Maemo 5 reverting all packages I've installed) |
| 10:13.11 | Myrtti | apart from last.fm not replying _berto_'s emails |
| 10:14.43 | sayjava | Myrtti:I see, i signed up for the api, and there was no request regarding the application platform |
| 10:15.09 | ct529 | is it possible to install and use maemo as general purpose os on a laptop? |
| 10:15.34 | ct529 | (just watching videos, email, browsing, basic office editing) |
| 10:15.47 | Lantizia | ct529: if you recompile it sure I don't see why not... it's meant for an armel processor |
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| 10:15.56 | Myrtti | sayjava: I'm only paraphrasing what I've read from their blog and such |
| 10:16.08 | Lantizia | ct529: you'd also need more drivers in your kernel for whatever hardware the lappy has |
| 10:17.47 | ct529 | Lantizia: it is an "old" Turion laptop with 1GB RAM, ATI RADEON MOBILE X700, 100Gb disk ....running kubuntu 904 at the moment, but feeling the weight of the full blown distribution |
| 10:17.50 | _berto_ | Myrtti: it's not very clear, I haven't even found those restrictions in their terms of use: http://www.last.fm/legal/terms |
| 10:18.03 | _berto_ | they were only announced in their blog and in the forum |
| 10:18.14 | _berto_ | that's quite weird too |
| 10:18.19 | Lantizia | ct529: thats nice, good luck |
| 10:19.10 | ct529 | Lantizia: do you think I can use the same kernel drivers? |
| 10:19.17 | Lantizia | no |
| 10:19.35 | ct529 | Lantizia: oh .... I thought the underlying kernel was linux .... |
| 10:19.49 | Lantizia | it is, but even linux can be stripped back to just what you need |
| 10:20.03 | Lantizia | the kernel in maemo will have been stripped back to NXXX hardware only I suspect |
| 10:20.31 | Corsac | Lantizia: might want to try mer |
| 10:20.37 | ct529 | Lantizia: yes, I realise that .... but why can I not add the original kernel drivers for my hardware? is it a technical or legal limitation? |
| 10:20.42 | pupnik | anybody figure out hw to turn-off cell radio yet? |
| 10:20.47 | Myrtti | sayjava: basically what _berto_ said: they're not very clear, and the little information there is has a PS. in it "definition of a mobile device is not set on stone" |
| 10:20.52 | Lantizia | Corsac: I might? I'm not the one asking questions... ct529 is |
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| 10:21.47 | Lantizia | ct529: you just don't get it, forget about the idea |
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| 10:22.31 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 10:22.47 | pupnik | old master khertan... |
| 10:22.51 | Myrtti | _berto_: have you yet had any contact with mobbler people? perhaps they could tell about their experiences? |
| 10:22.52 | Corsac | Lantizia: ho sorry :) |
| 10:22.55 | Corsac | Khertan: hey |
| 10:23.02 | ifreq | moin |
| 10:23.27 | Khertan | Aya pupnik and Corsac |
| 10:23.46 | _berto_ | Myrtti: not yet, but I was planning to do that |
| 10:24.07 | pupnik | i would really like to be off the cell network when i am at home |
| 10:24.08 | ct529 | Corsac: is it better to ask in mer? I thought I may simply re compile the kernel adding the necessary drivers and patches and that would be it |
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| 10:24.20 | sayjava | Myrtti: I hope _berto_: finds a solution |
| 10:25.15 | pupnik | hehe @ google N900+rmmod |
| 10:25.33 | florian | good morning |
| 10:27.24 | Micha_ | Khertan: Good morning. Got your pypackager working on the n900. |
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| 10:28.39 | pupnik | i hope you all saw the awesome hack to add ~ | > buttons to your xterm border |
| 10:28.59 | swc|666 | where |
| 10:29.01 | Micha_ | pupnik: Where?!? |
| 10:29.21 | Myrtti | pupnik: is there a way to add ctrl-p and ctrl-n too? |
| 10:29.36 | pupnik | i have to search chatlog |
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| 10:34.05 | pupnik | ruskie: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels -t list --list-type=string "[Tab,Esc,Up,Dn,~,|,>]" |
| 10:34.22 | ruskie | mispased? |
| 10:34.25 | pupnik | ruskie: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels -t list --list-type=string "[Tab,Esc,Up,Dn,~,|,>]" |
| 10:34.27 | ruskie | ahh |
| 10:34.33 | pupnik | oop |
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| 10:34.36 | ruskie | btw that's also on talk.maemo.org searching for xterm hacks |
| 10:34.39 | red | How can I directly save certificates over the internet? School WLAN requires a certificate and I have a choice of multiple different types, all just end up "loading" when I click them in the browser |
| 10:34.44 | pupnik | ruskie: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels -t list --list-type=string "[Tab,Esc,Up,Dn,~,|,>]" |
| 10:34.47 | red | without the certificate I cannot connect to the wlan :P |
| 10:34.51 | pupnik | dammit |
| 10:34.52 | red | old phone retrieved it automaticly |
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| 10:35.13 | pupnik | pastefail |
| 10:36.49 | pupnik | good q red |
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| 10:38.23 | ruskie | red, I think you need to save it localy first |
| 10:38.42 | ruskie | atleast that's what a t.m.o post mentions |
| 10:38.46 | red | attempting that |
| 10:39.01 | red | but for some reason the links just time out, think ill go double check on desk pc if its dead links actually |
| 10:39.04 | red | seems odd |
| 10:39.58 | ruskie | use wget |
| 10:41.27 | red | 11 of the 13 links were dead |
| 10:41.29 | red | lmao :) |
| 10:41.32 | ruskie | rofl |
| 10:41.44 | red | guess i should notify the school tech support that wtf, update! |
| 10:42.06 | bilboed-pi | anyone had any issues with/voip ? Works fine from some wifi networks, but not from some others. |
| 10:42.07 | ruskie | or just "wtf" ;) |
| 10:42.15 | red | got the certificate now, but upon connectin to wlan it said the cert is invalid and check time/date settings |
| 10:42.24 | red | but it seems to be connected still, gonna test speedtest |
| 10:42.31 | ruskie | bilboed-pi, I guess it depends how the ap routes the stuff and so on |
| 10:42.49 | swc|666 | bilboed-pi, probably a QoS issue |
| 10:42.58 | bilboed-pi | used to work fine on those networks with my Nokia N81 |
| 10:43.02 | bilboed-pi | with the same account |
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| 10:52.29 | red | yay, once i've picked a certificate for a wlan connection |
| 10:52.35 | red | i cannot change that certificate since its stored |
| 10:52.42 | red | any way to "forget" connections? |
| 10:53.37 | red | or mm, they are not appearing in the certificate list |
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| 10:53.51 | red | how do i add them in command line as root? theres no add in the GUI |
| 10:54.09 | ruskie | red, just open them in file manager |
| 10:54.13 | ruskie | that will auto add them |
| 10:54.15 | slonopotamus_ | how i _delete_ locations from foreca weather? :) |
| 10:54.41 | red | ruskie: alright ty |
| 10:57.41 | Corsac | slono_n900: ICBMs |
| 10:59.41 | ruskie | gah... this when silent mute anything and everything is annoying |
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| 11:02.21 | pdrummond | Hi everyone, first time on #maemo! |
| 11:03.38 | timeless_mbp | red: eh? |
| 11:03.48 | timeless_mbp | ruskie: it doesn't auto add, it should *ask* you to add them :) |
| 11:04.16 | ruskie | timeless_mbp, true |
| 11:04.18 | slono_n900 | corsac, ? |
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| 11:05.23 | red | timeless_mbp: problem wasnt the phone, was the outdated certificate links in the intranet documentation |
| 11:05.33 | red | for some reason n900 doesnt automaticly get it |
| 11:05.42 | timeless_mbp | automatically get what? |
| 11:06.01 | red | certificate required for getting full connectivity via school wlan |
| 11:06.09 | slono_n900 | meh, was cleaning up ~ on n800 and suddenly it started showing mouse cursor. anyone knows what should i put back to hide it? |
| 11:06.15 | red | can access intranet but not outside, unless certificates are correct |
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| 11:09.01 | red | works like a charm now, used wget in Downloads folder, installed the certificate via file manager as suggested |
| 11:09.19 | red | first wget them to user folder but the app couldnt access there hehe, work in vain :) |
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| 11:10.52 | pdrummond | Can anyone help me - trying to get zbarcam to work on N900 but it just displays a zbar logo when I run it? |
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| 11:11.48 | red | http://www.speedtest.net/result/654189718.png |
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| 11:12.41 | ruskie | red, yeah that's annoying not able to select anywhere outside of MyDocs or the sd |
| 11:13.12 | red | whats the command line cmd to launch the file manager? wonder if by using sudo gainroot and launching it then u could get full access |
| 11:14.24 | Micha_ | pupnik: Thanks for re-highlighting that hack, works great. |
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| 11:18.04 | timeless_mbp | red: full access to what? |
| 11:18.28 | Khertan | the most annoying is that &é#!!!#&é"é& hildon chooser dialog which hide file extension |
| 11:18.50 | Khertan | and gtk.FileChooser is completely broken |
| 11:18.51 | timeless_mbp | Khertan: like every other user facing platform |
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| 11:19.24 | Khertan | timeless_mbp: i don't know any user facing platform which hide extension |
| 11:19.32 | Khertan | or at least it s an option |
| 11:20.31 | pdrummond | ls |
| 11:20.56 | pdrummond | exit |
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| 11:21.17 | red | timeless_mbp: mail, http, etc |
| 11:21.30 | red | will not forward unless certificates are correct |
| 11:21.40 | red | the wlan here is quite strict |
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| 11:21.57 | red | same with connection, have to tunnel to get out with regular ssh |
| 11:22.15 | ShadowJK | huh, who would use the file manager for things where file extension matters |
| 11:22.35 | red | could I have run the certificate .cer just typing the filename in terminal? |
| 11:22.45 | red | or what is the program that handles installing them |
| 11:22.45 | ShadowJK | you don't run a certificate |
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| 11:22.57 | red | had no idea so i ran them thru file manager and worked |
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| 11:30.05 | Jiri- | Hello |
| 11:30.37 | Jiri- | can someone talk by trought step by step how to install p2p tranmission to my n900? |
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| 11:34.40 | red | Jiri-: do you know how to use the application manager? |
| 11:35.25 | Jiri- | i think so |
| 11:35.55 | red | i dont recall for sure, but if the transmission app isn't in extras-testing etc, it should appear in the "All" listing in there |
| 11:36.05 | Jiri- | it's not |
| 11:36.11 | Jiri- | thats the problem |
| 11:36.44 | red | ill walk u thru in query |
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| 12:02.11 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/16/cops_need_warrant_to_search_cell_phone/ <_- hmm |
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| 12:05.16 | Corsac | ruskie: n900 is a mobile computer! |
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| 12:10.29 | Ceron | yes watch ouyt |
| 12:10.48 | Ceron | watch out soon they will take your "mobile computer" at the airfield |
| 12:10.59 | Ceron | its not a phone so they can take it! |
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| 12:11.40 | wazd_n800 | heya all |
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| 12:14.04 | sivang | Ceron: right, it's a net-tablet :) |
| 12:14.10 | sivang | likes to call it that way |
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| 12:16.42 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, around?) |
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| 12:34.17 | anpr | anyone from UK ? :) |
| 12:35.53 | tigert | v2px_: see transitions.ini |
| 12:37.50 | v2px_ | tigert: huh? |
| 12:37.51 | cosmo | anpr: i heard it snowed in london.. so probably all electricity and internet is out as people are panicing |
| 12:40.11 | tigert | v2px_: duh |
| 12:40.31 | cehteh | cosmo: lol .. even the tubes are out of service again? :) |
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| 12:41.06 | cosmo | they all probably have derailed |
| 12:41.38 | furunk3l | must...not...type... |
| 12:41.46 | furunk3l | soooo...tempting... |
| 12:42.16 | tigert | v2px_: looks like in current sw release the grid is not adjustable |
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| 12:42.54 | v2px_ | tigert: ooh, thats sad. but i dont even have options in my transitions.ini |
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| 12:44.31 | tigert | yah, because its not implemented in this universe yet ;) |
| 12:44.59 | tigert | transitions.ini has some other pretty cool stuff though :) |
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| 12:45.57 | RST38h | moo, tigert, all |
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| 12:46.06 | tigert | moo |
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| 12:48.35 | RST38h | wazd: heya |
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| 12:50.01 | tigert | thp: woo, update! |
| 12:50.04 | tigert | downloads |
| 12:52.41 | zaheerm | it is snowing in london |
| 12:55.01 | zs | zaheerm: you call it snowing? :D |
| 12:55.32 | zaheerm | zs: well it has settled here in harrow |
| 12:55.53 | zaheerm | zs, and i see plenty of snow flakes out of the window |
| 12:56.04 | anpr | so guys, anyone from the UK ? |
| 12:57.30 | zs | anpr: me :) |
| 12:57.38 | Milo- | tekojo are you the one that's going to hold the Maemo Developing course at Metropolia university in feruary? |
| 12:57.46 | anpr | zs, hey, have some time ? |
| 12:58.11 | zs | anpr: it depends for what :P |
| 13:04.31 | v2px_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djVaJN0f0VQ (sorry for OT but i had to post this) |
| 13:05.24 | tigert | lols at N900Fly app |
| 13:05.33 | RST38h | have you tested it already? |
| 13:05.59 | tigert | jutst 45cm :) |
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| 13:06.50 | tru_ | hey. I am writing a share-plugin for a gallery service. I was just wondering how I can see the things I log with ULOG in the scratchbox environment? |
| 13:07.02 | tru_ | it's kind of hard to debug without the logmessages :) |
| 13:10.34 | v2px_ | installs n900fly |
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| 13:13.14 | v2px_ | 1.12m. beat that! |
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| 13:17.28 | bigon | https://git.maemo.org/ <<< ssl cert has exired :/ |
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| 13:18.44 | ifreq | bad bad admin |
| 13:19.22 | toggles_w | anyone know why .bashrc isn't executed when starting a terminal? but it is on subsequent bash invokations? |
| 13:20.54 | flux | toggles_w, I'm guessing you aren't starting bash when you're starting a terminal |
| 13:21.01 | flux | toggles_w, you could modify .profile instead |
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| 13:21.34 | flux | toggles_w, be warned though that some fellow needlessly complicated his life by adding an infinite loop into it.. |
| 13:21.34 | toggles_w | flux: i dis a usermod -s /bin/bash user to set the default shell, but when started from the desktop shortcut it wont read .bashrc |
| 13:21.40 | sp3000 | http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Bash-Startup-Files |
| 13:21.48 | flux | toggles_w, have you verified you are indeed running bash? |
| 13:22.01 | toggles_w | flux: $SHELL says so |
| 13:22.15 | flux | toggles_w, how about ls -l /proc/$$/exe ? |
| 13:22.38 | toggles_w | yeah, points to bash |
| 13:22.42 | sp3000 | see manual |
| 13:22.52 | flux | I shall concede then and point to sp's piece of advice :) |
| 13:23.11 | sp3000 | i.e. you're probably getting a login shell initially |
| 13:23.22 | tru_ | Anyone knows where logmessages from ULOG ends up? |
| 13:23.25 | tru_ | I can't find them. |
| 13:24.38 | andras | hello, can somebody tell me which package do I need to install in scratchbox in order to get gpsfake? |
| 13:24.49 | sp3000 | I'd guesstimate something in the ballpark of syslog and/or stdoutish? |
| 13:25.09 | andras | Of course, I have already Googled it, and found that the package is gpsd |
| 13:25.10 | sp3000 | syslog of course isn't installed by default, at least historically I think the tools repo had it |
| 13:25.21 | toggles_w | sp3000: yeah, thanks, I copied the bit from .profile on ubuntu in and it works, thanks again |
| 13:25.26 | sp3000 | np |
| 13:25.27 | toggles_w | flux: thanks too! |
| 13:25.49 | tru_ | sp3000: it doesn't end up in syslog anyway. not as far as I can see. |
| 13:27.06 | sp3000 | hm, ok |
| 13:27.28 | sp3000 | doesn't really ULOG :) |
| 13:27.37 | tru_ | what do you use then? :) |
| 13:27.50 | sp3000 | I don't have time to touch code :) |
| 13:27.57 | tru_ | ah. |
| 13:28.09 | tru_ | A bit annoying that I can't find documentation for it. |
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| 13:28.16 | sp3000 | well except for uninformed merges and such exciting things |
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| 13:29.33 | _berto_ | what happens to garage? it's terribly slow here |
| 13:29.54 | adeus | acting like it always does |
| 13:30.18 | _berto_ | I think it's specially slower today |
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| 13:31.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | same snail as yesterday |
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| 13:34.49 | timeless_mbp | _berto_: it's been slow for months :) |
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| 13:48.18 | smaug | Does anyone happen to know when there will be some update to N900. Would be great to get a working email reader (hoping the update will fix the problems) |
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| 13:48.52 | timeless_mbp | smaug: sorry |
| 13:48.58 | timeless_mbp | that's a secret, even the managers here don't know :) |
| 13:49.54 | w00t | timeless_mbp: haha |
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| 13:52.12 | timeless_mbp | w00t: it means they can't accidentally leak the wrong date :) |
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| 13:53.07 | w00t | psh, the more amusing approach is to tell everyone a different date and then see which date leaks :) |
| 13:53.17 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 13:53.18 | _berto_ | timeless_mbp: garage is probably still running on an n800, i thought they were going to replace it with an n900 now that it's out |
| 13:53.30 | timeless_mbp | _berto_: there was a device shortage |
| 13:53.36 | timeless_mbp | there's a waiting list for internals to get them |
| 13:53.37 | wazd_n801 | w00t: that's what apple does) |
| 13:56.39 | derf | I thought the recent upgrade to garage was from a 770 to an N800. |
| 13:56.48 | _berto_ | derf: that was 2 years ago |
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| 13:57.16 | derf | Maybe they got a second N800. |
| 13:57.18 | derf | For load balancing. |
| 13:57.30 | _berto_ | or replaced it with an N810 thinking it was going to be faster |
| 13:57.57 | derf | Or just upgraded it to OS2008 for the clock speed bump. |
| 13:58.20 | RST38h | moos with passion |
| 13:58.48 | RST38h | Whoever wanted mapping software, check Maep. It rules (when author fixes it of course) |
| 13:59.16 | wazd_n801 | maep?) nice name |
| 13:59.34 | derf | Isn't that the same state Maemo Mapper is in? |
| 13:59.49 | derf | "This would be great if you hadn't added all those bugs." |
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| 14:04.28 | Lynoure | This is not directly a maemo question, but I'm trying to find some GPL (or other free) .wav files to use as sound effects in my maemo app, any idea where one finds them? |
| 14:05.03 | SpeedEvil | farts in Lynoures general direction, and records it under cc-by-sa. |
| 14:05.17 | stevenhong | have nokia give up the support for the os2008? |
| 14:05.30 | SpeedEvil | http://www.freesound.org/ ? a google reverals |
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| 14:07.22 | Lynoure | SpeedEvil: I tried googling, but got baffled by the 5 kinds of 'free' |
| 14:07.35 | stevenhong | have anyone boot the system in mmc card? |
| 14:07.38 | Lynoure | SpeedEvil: your fart would do just fine for dev purposes :) |
| 14:08.22 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: s/reverals/reveals/ ? |
| 14:09.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:09.12 | SpeedEvil | My fingers are cod. |
| 14:09.14 | SpeedEvil | cold. |
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| 14:14.32 | joppu | red: sulx4: It's now in armel-devel, autobuilder was just being too goddamn slow. |
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| 14:26.51 | red | joppu: downloaded and installed with 1 error, but seems to be working |
| 14:27.02 | red | changed background background thought |
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| 14:27.28 | red | and I think the gloss is wee bit too bright, id reduce it 25% (or create a glossy darker :>) |
| 14:27.56 | red | or perhaps not by as much as 25%, but slightly |
| 14:28.34 | red | but nice work still, defo 2nd best theme for now, and if there ever comes a darker one i'll surely use it |
| 14:28.55 | red | for now I prefer the digital life orange colours to the cold blue, but props for the nice button gfx |
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| 14:32.06 | pupnik | ustream vs qik http://www.adonismobile.com/2008/12/ustreamtv-prepping-mobile-client.html |
| 14:32.18 | joppu | red: there should be a horrible bug on the Conversations, otherwise it should work really well |
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| 14:33.15 | LuciusMare | hi |
| 14:34.03 | LuciusMare | i heard of these bricks and i am not sure if iunderstood it right - does n900 support "dead charging" ? - Totally uncharged battery but charging through the mobile. |
| 14:35.01 | LuciusMare | And, i heard that there is a mplayer port, but "it is unsure if it uses the DSP unit of n900 which accelerates the playing" |
| 14:36.37 | X-Fade | konttori_nokia: ping? |
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| 14:37.33 | konttori_nokia | X-Fade, pong |
| 14:37.34 | konttori_nokia | sup? |
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| 14:47.37 | joppu | LuciusMare: I highly doubt that it'd use DSP |
| 14:48.33 | joppu | konttori_nokia: first Theme Maker theme now in devel o/ |
| 14:48.48 | konttori_nokia | joppu, great! |
| 14:48.50 | konttori_nokia | wohoo! |
| 14:49.35 | Macer | wow seriously this freenode crap |
| 14:49.47 | Macer | in the middle of a conversation and 20 people split off |
| 14:49.51 | timeless_mbp | Macer: you'd prefer for two n810wimax devices to host maemonet? |
| 14:49.55 | w00t | Macer: they're under rather heavy ddos (yes, still) |
| 14:50.07 | Macer | timeless_mbp: they would probably work better :) |
| 14:50.15 | Macer | timeless_mbp: or a jabber conference heh |
| 14:50.34 | Macer | w00t: is that what that is? i figured someone tripped over a cable |
| 14:50.41 | w00t | Macer: aye |
| 14:50.44 | Macer | damn taiwan |
| 14:50.50 | Macer | it's always china or taiwan |
| 14:50.52 | hrw | morning |
| 14:51.10 | Macer | ah well. shower time |
| 14:51.13 | joppu | damn cyber warfare |
| 14:51.19 | redeeman | someone should just cut the chinese off for good |
| 14:51.34 | redeeman | itss not as if the chinese people arent already |
| 14:51.38 | hrw | finally sent N900 back to DDP. replacement will be sent tomorrow |
| 14:52.43 | timeless_mbp | hrw: thanks for the update |
| 14:52.46 | timeless_mbp | sorry about the pain |
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| 14:52.59 | timeless_mbp | otoh, it could be worse, my 'red' n900 is still sitting on a table here |
| 14:53.26 | hrw | timeless_mbp: things happens. good side is that it was catched on first week |
| 14:53.43 | w00t | timeless_mbp: ..red? |
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| 15:15.12 | pupnik | hey jebba we could do this maybe? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=26288 |
| 15:15.12 | pupnik | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash) |
| 15:15.12 | pupnik | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 15:15.12 | pupnik | Nokia-N900-42-11:/root$ gst-launch-0.10 -v v4l2src ! 'video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240,framerate=8/1' ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! tcpserversink host=$DESKTOP_HOST port=5434 |
| 15:15.12 | pupnik | oops too many |
| 15:15.13 | pupnik | ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstV4l2Src:v4l2src0: Could not negotiate format |
| 15:15.13 | pupnik | need to enquire supported format? |
| 15:15.13 | Micha_ | is garage always really really slow? |
| 15:15.13 | jebba | pupnik: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#mplayer |
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| 15:15.14 | pupnik | GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstV4l2Src:v4l2src0.GstPad:src: caps = video/x-raw-yuv, format=(fourcc)YUY2, width=(int)2592, height=(int)1968, framerate=(fraction)323/25 |
| 15:15.14 | pupnik | hehe heh heh |
| 15:15.15 | jebba | ah cool. |
| 15:16.15 | pupnik | very cool page there jebba |
| 15:16.22 | jebba | thx |
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| 15:29.24 | SpeedEvil | woo. /me finds spare bl5j down back of sofa. |
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| 16:22.25 | Milo- | developer's guide talks about gtk |
| 16:22.26 | Milo- | but nokia is qt-fan |
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| 16:22.26 | mgedmin | I wish xchat detected splits (more than N joins/splits in a row) and collapsed them in its scrollback |
| 16:22.26 | mgedmin | Milo-, gtk for maemo 5, qt for the upcoming maemo 6 |
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| 16:22.27 | mgedmin | you can also use qt for maemo 5 or gtk for maemo 6 if you so desire |
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| 16:22.28 | Milo- | mgedmin just ignore all joins/parts/quits |
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| 16:22.28 | Milo- | mgedmin okay |
| 16:22.28 | Milo- | need tp |
| 16:22.28 | Milo- | need to learn gtk then |
| 16:22.28 | Milo- | w |
| 16:22.57 | saimon | hi all. I ve reached 95% on my rootfs. my question is. i lost the ability to install non optified apps but can i still install optified ones? |
| 16:22.57 | Milo- | this keyboard is slightly harder than e71's |
| 16:22.57 | SpeedEvil | I like the keyboard mostly. |
| 16:22.57 | SpeedEvil | Though I have not had a similar sized device |
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| 16:23.35 | Milo- | hard to reach / and first 5 numbers |
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| 16:23.35 | mgedmin | saimon, you need at least _some_ free space in / so that apt/dpkg can rewrite their "database" files |
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| 16:24.17 | Milo- | I got 25mb |
| 16:24.25 | Milo- | sounds small |
| 16:24.43 | mgedmin | oooh, you rich person! |
| 16:24.52 | mgedmin | I had about 3 megs left on my old n900 |
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| 16:25.17 | mgedmin | well, the log-structured filesystem used on the n[89x0 is a bit weird: it does garbage collection in background/on reboot |
| 16:25.25 | mgedmin | if you delete a lot of files, it takes a while for the free space to appear |
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| 16:25.37 | timeless_mbp | and files only die if no one is using them |
| 16:25.40 | timeless_mbp | which is often not the case |
| 16:25.47 | timeless_mbp | (gtk theme icon cache!) |
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| 16:26.09 | mgedmin | I restored from backup on my new N900, tried to install all the apps |
| 16:26.11 | mgedmin | ran out of space |
| 16:26.16 | mgedmin | then apt-get removed half of them |
| 16:26.20 | mgedmin | apt said it would free 28 megs |
| 16:26.30 | mgedmin | df said I had 2.5 megs free when apt was done |
| 16:26.38 | mgedmin | reboot -> suddenly I have 49 megs free |
| 16:26.58 | mgedmin | some of the apps were optified, so I dunno how much of those 28 apt's megs were in root |
| 16:27.09 | mgedmin | also, apt tends to lie about the size of python packages |
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| 16:27.25 | timeless_mbp | my impression is that sizes are purely advisory |
| 16:27.25 | mgedmin | and ubifs compresses data, so accurate free space calculations are basically impossible |
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| 16:27.40 | timeless_mbp | plus the rootfs includes compression |
| 16:27.40 | Milo- | has anyone optified their maemo maps yet? |
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| 16:27.50 | timeless_mbp | Milo-: what's the point? |
| 16:27.56 | timeless_mbp | maps the data lives in vfat |
| 16:28.05 | Milo- | 10 mb out of rootfs |
| 16:28.07 | timeless_mbp | that's how it's possible to use the nokia maps downloader from windows |
| 16:28.27 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 16:28.32 | Milo- | don't have windows |
| 16:28.39 | Milo- | don't care for windows |
| 16:28.43 | timeless_mbp | Milo-: does that include the maps localization stuff? :) |
| 16:28.47 | Milo- | windows can burn in hell |
| 16:28.57 | timeless_mbp | if you want space, i'd suggest trashing all the non english+your language locales |
| 16:29.02 | timeless_mbp | or optifying that |
| 16:29.05 | Milo- | timeless_mbp just the usr share maemo maps |
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| 16:29.37 | AbstractW | Whats the status of a google maps vs ovi maps? |
| 16:30.04 | SpeedEvil | google maps app does not exist |
| 16:30.08 | SpeedEvil | the website 'works' |
| 16:30.10 | Milo- | weirdly. ovi maps actually worked |
| 16:30.13 | AbstractW | heh. |
| 16:30.18 | Milo- | unlike in e71 |
| 16:30.44 | SpeedEvil | ovi maps has worked for me mostly |
| 16:30.47 | Ceron | how to check size of rootfs |
| 16:30.53 | Ceron | im intrested to know if im filling it up |
| 16:30.59 | SpeedEvil | it's about -> <- this big |
| 16:31.03 | SpeedEvil | more seriously. |
| 16:31.05 | Milo- | Ceron xterm df -h |
| 16:31.15 | SpeedEvil | there is a 'diskspace' app in extras-devel |
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| 16:31.22 | SpeedEvil | which is pretty idiot proof |
| 16:31.35 | Milo- | so is df |
| 16:31.39 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 16:31.50 | mgedmin | also useful: stat -f / |
| 16:31.56 | mgedmin | df says 0 when there's really a few megs left |
| 16:32.05 | SpeedEvil | dumpfs! |
| 16:32.05 | mgedmin | the old "reserved for root" trick |
| 16:32.06 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:33.56 | mgedmin | I want an app that (a) goes through all user/* apps, (b) computes which non-user/ libraries are used by those apps and could be removed if that app is uninstalled, (c) for each app computes how much rootfs space that app would free if uninstalled |
| 16:33.57 | mgedmin | for bonus points, (d) have an uninstall button/menu command |
| 16:34.07 | SpeedEvil | Also a way to report if your device won't boot afterwards. |
| 16:34.18 | Milo- | mgedmin du + rm :) |
| 16:34.23 | mgedmin | user/* apps! |
| 16:34.35 | mgedmin | you can't brick your device by removing packages from the user/* section |
| 16:34.45 | mgedmin | unless someone does an rm -rf / in their postrm script by mistake |
| 16:35.01 | mgedmin | has a pytohn script that does (a) and (c), but ignores (b) |
| 16:35.02 | Milo- | I wish I could see timestamps using ssh+irssi |
| 16:35.13 | SpeedEvil | Milo: you can |
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| 16:35.14 | mgedmin | so app that depends on many libraries gets the size undersetimated |
| 16:35.21 | SpeedEvil | Milo: you can ask it to do that |
| 16:35.25 | mgedmin | s/set/est/ |
| 16:35.37 | SpeedEvil | milo: or at least you can with bitchX, I assume irssi can do it too |
| 16:35.37 | Milo- | SpeedEvil how? |
| 16:35.42 | fcrozat | saw some ubifs corruption on syslog |
| 16:35.47 | fcrozat | is it known / normal ? |
| 16:35.59 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: some /set I'd imagine |
| 16:36.04 | Milo- | eh, they work |
| 16:36.10 | Milo- | but in my maemo. |
| 16:36.22 | SpeedEvil | http://irssi.org/documentation/faq |
| 16:36.23 | Milo- | they don't, wrong color somehow |
| 16:36.26 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:36.34 | mgedmin | fcrozat, did your tablet crash? |
| 16:36.41 | SpeedEvil | you should also be able to set the colour I'd imagine |
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| 16:37.08 | fcrozat | mgedmin: no. But I have ldconfig crashing with "bus error" . It seems to started when python got installed by omweather |
| 16:37.19 | mgedmin | interesting |
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| 16:37.22 | Milo- | I keep.pressing enter when I try to press bakckspace |
| 16:37.27 | fcrozat | not sure it is related |
| 16:37.29 | Milo- | speethat is done with themes and I like my theme |
| 16:37.38 | Milo- | SpeedEvil even |
| 16:38.07 | mgedmin | whoa/wtf |
| 16:38.13 | mgedmin | so, I have two n900's |
| 16:38.18 | ml-N900 | hmm |
| 16:38.24 | Milo- | maemo's xtermMs colour support isn't extensive enough |
| 16:38.29 | mgedmin | lacking fantasy for hostnames I named one mg-n900 and the other mg-n900-2 |
| 16:38.32 | mgedmin | both have avahi |
| 16:38.32 | Milo- | xterm's |
| 16:38.36 | mgedmin | the first one is offline now |
| 16:38.37 | ml-N900 | disabling off mode seems to have stopped the reboots |
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| 16:38.40 | Milo- | lots of typos |
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| 16:38.48 | mgedmin | the second one advertises itself over mDNS as mg-n900-3 |
| 16:38.51 | mgedmin | why 3??? |
| 16:38.52 | anpr | heya |
| 16:39.00 | mgedmin | some magic autoincrement |
| 16:39.11 | AbstractW | Kein Mittleid Für Die Mehrheit. |
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| 16:40.14 | AbstractW | mgedmin: Why do you need more than one N900? |
| 16:40.26 | redeeman | one for each hand ofc! |
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| 16:43.25 | arachnist | AbstractW: cluster :) |
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| 16:45.50 | Lantizia | Hey, should debian arm packages work? or do they have to be armel? |
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| 16:47.24 | Lantizia | Hey, should debian arm packages work? or do they have to be armel? |
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| 16:47.25 | Lantizia | net split? |
| 16:47.27 | GAN900 | Lantizia, it's armel and, in general, no, they wont work. |
| 16:47.30 | Lantizia | ok :D |
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| 16:47.41 | ruskie | Lantizia, rebuild them in scratchbox :) |
| 16:48.00 | Lantizia | GAN900 see I'd like to use axel... but etch didn't do armel and lenny's version needs later version of something |
| 16:48.12 | Lantizia | ruskie: have a nice linky to show me how? |
| 16:48.21 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: err - no |
| 16:48.25 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: you modify the irssi config - you can setup UI colours |
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| 16:48.29 | SpeedEvil | edit the theme maybe? |
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| 16:49.10 | ruskie | Lantizia, should be something on t.m.o |
| 16:49.28 | tbf | tigert: konttori: is the melody theme available for download? |
| 16:49.43 | mgedmin | to be fair I have an mDNS reflector running on the gateway between wireless and ethernet LANs... |
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| 16:49.49 | ruskie | Lantizia, trying to find it |
| 16:49.50 | Lantizia | t.m.o? |
| 16:51.36 | mgedmin | Lantizia, freenode is being DDoSed, heavy netsplits predicted with possible rain |
| 16:51.36 | SpeedEvil | Or snow in colder areas. |
| 16:51.37 | mgedmin | glances at the -14°C displayed in his weather applet and shivers |
| 16:51.41 | tbf | boah! so awesome. i can by a botnet for 10 rubels and DDoS an IRC network |
| 16:51.45 | SpeedEvil | glances at the indoor thermometer reading 6.5C. |
| 16:51.52 | ruskie | Lantizia, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37144 read through that it should apply for the rest |
| 16:51.59 | tbf | awesome those evil h4x0r k1dz those days |
| 16:52.12 | ruskie | Lantizia, talk.maemo.org :) |
| 16:52.46 | SpeedEvil | Alas, not inaccurate. |
| 16:52.54 | SpeedEvil | is having cashflow problems ATM. |
| 16:53.01 | SpeedEvil | electric blankets++ |
| 16:53.19 | mgedmin | ouchouchouchouchouch |
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| 16:53.55 | Milo- | SpeedEvil my irssi's timestamp colour is gray |
| 16:54.08 | Milo- | and that colour isn't showed in maemo's xterm |
| 16:54.13 | tbf | mgedmin: don't scare me that the freeze has reached baltic states already... |
| 16:54.46 | tbf | ...that's less than 1000 km remaining and weather passes poland's flatlands quickly |
| 16:54.46 | SpeedEvil | Milo-: that is an issue - but the seperate one is you might alter all the grays into a colour which renders - rather than waiting on a fix to oso-term |
| 16:54.46 | Milo- | GPE calendar is nice, except its UI isn't good for maemo :/ |
| 16:55.25 | mgedmin | what's the command to display all colours in an xterm? I think Eterm came with a shell script for that... |
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| 16:56.14 | Milo- | write a printf("\033[22;30mHello, world!\n"); printf("\033[22;31mHello, world!\n") |
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| 16:56.46 | fcrozat | same ldconfig crash after a reboot :( |
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| 16:57.38 | Lantizia | ruskie: ok read your 8 step guide.. am I doing that on the N900 itself? |
| 16:57.38 | _berto_ | Jaffa: vagalume 0.8.1 is out, this one should work for those of you without a subscription - http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/v/vagalume/ |
| 16:58.01 | Milo- | Micha_ you can test the colours by incrementing that 30m from 29 to 40 or so :) |
| 16:58.07 | mgedmin | grey on white is visible in osso-xterm, but barely |
| 16:58.15 | mgedmin | did vim +'ru syntax/colortest.vim' |
| 16:58.16 | Milo- | I use black background |
| 16:58.39 | Milo- | can't stand black on white |
| 16:58.42 | mgedmin | darkgray on black -- invisible for me |
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| 16:59.11 | mgedmin | all the colours look rather hard to see on a black background |
| 16:59.16 | mgedmin | good for me that I use a white one ;) |
| 17:01.13 | tbf | Milo-: cellar dweller :-p |
| 17:01.16 | AndrewFBlack | _berto_, I wonder if it will fix my problem of network conection erros |
| 17:01.53 | Milo- | tbf white console is as artistic as umm |
| 17:02.00 | Milo- | well, obviously I'm not an artist.. |
| 17:02.04 | _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: don't know, just try it and tell me if it doesn't work |
| 17:02.12 | Milo- | so lets say dog biting your nuts off.. |
| 17:02.24 | Milo- | it sounds equally painful |
| 17:02.27 | AndrewFBlack | _berto_, ok I was having the problem with both last.fm and libre.fm |
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| 17:03.26 | _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: then that's a different issue :? |
| 17:03.34 | _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: do other last.fm clients work for you ? |
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| 17:04.06 | AndrewFBlack | are there other last.fm clients on phone |
| 17:04.07 | Milo- | the vim you can download and install from extras is hardly vim |
| 17:04.07 | Milo- | it's more like vi :/ |
| 17:04.22 | mgedmin | hell, no! |
| 17:04.35 | mgedmin | Milo-, the vim from extras is full-fledged vim with all kinds of goodies |
| 17:04.44 | mgedmin | make sure you start it as vim and not vi, though |
| 17:04.51 | Milo- | alias vi='vim' |
| 17:04.53 | Milo- | ._· |
| 17:04.53 | mgedmin | or you'll get the busybox vi that came preinstalled with the os |
| 17:05.19 | Milo- | but yes, started with vim and backspace won't work, (replace mode-like behaviour) |
| 17:05.25 | mgedmin | duh, that's vim |
| 17:05.28 | mgedmin | :set nocompatible |
| 17:05.32 | mgedmin | if you don't want it to emulate vi |
| 17:05.40 | mgedmin | and set bs=2 |
| 17:05.40 | mgedmin | etc. |
| 17:05.42 | Milo- | oh yeah it has no .vimrc :P |
| 17:05.45 | mgedmin | some distros ship /etc/vim/vimrc and change vim's defaults |
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| 17:05.49 | Milo- | gentoo gives those automatically :) |
| 17:05.51 | _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: I mean a desktop client |
| 17:05.54 | mgedmin | then people get used to that distro's customizations |
| 17:05.59 | Milo- | ^^ |
| 17:06.05 | mgedmin | and become confused when they try upstream vim |
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| 17:06.18 | AndrewFBlack | _berto_, the website works from my desktops |
| 17:06.24 | Milo- | see.. |
| 17:06.24 | Milo- | :) |
| 17:06.26 | jeremiah | vi == sign of the beast |
| 17:06.34 | Milo- | lets quickly pastebin my vimrc |
| 17:06.35 | Milo- | and wget it |
| 17:06.55 | Milo- | oh |
| 17:06.56 | mgedmin | scp rules |
| 17:06.57 | Milo- | don't have wget. |
| 17:07.02 | mgedmin | it's in extras |
| 17:07.03 | mgedmin | iirc |
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| 17:07.43 | mgedmin | and by "extras" I mean ... |
| 17:07.49 | mgedmin | extras-devel |
| 17:09.42 | mgedmin | it's also in fremantle/tools |
| 17:09.42 | Milo- | :P |
| 17:09.42 | Milo- | lots of script in .vimrc |
| 17:10.12 | Milo- | I bet that won't work |
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| 17:13.12 | Milo- | now it's a tool, as it's supposed to be |
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| 17:13.41 | ruskie | Lantizia, no |
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| 17:18.18 | tbf | i wonder how to easily find a free FM band for the FM transmitter |
| 17:18.37 | AbstractW | From what I hear, the FM transmitter is not so good. |
| 17:18.45 | tbf | berlin has way too many FM stations. seemingly every 0.3 MHz there is one |
| 17:18.55 | wazd_n800 | re-heya all |
| 17:19.09 | AndrewFBlack | _berto_, any idea on network connection error |
| 17:19.28 | tbf | AbstractW: no idea. IF you found a free band it sounds great |
| 17:19.58 | tbf | AbstractW: better than the commercial FM stations here... |
| 17:20.14 | tbf | ...but that could be 'cause the FM stations are packed too densely |
| 17:20.53 | mgedmin | yeah, I wasn't thrilled by the FM transmitter |
| 17:20.56 | AbstractW | Heh. |
| 17:20.57 | AbstractW | Wow. |
| 17:20.59 | _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: it's very strange if it fails on both cases |
| 17:21.05 | _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: can you run it from an xterm ? |
| 17:21.06 | mgedmin | aren't FM stations usually spaced 0.5 MHz apart? |
| 17:21.19 | _berto_ | mgedmin: not necessarily |
| 17:21.24 | tbf | mgedmin: probably in sane areas, but not here in berlin |
| 17:21.31 | mgedmin | :) |
| 17:21.39 | _berto_ | not here (Galicia) either |
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| 17:22.13 | AndrewFBlack | _berto_, application loads from xterm but still get error when I try to play something |
| 17:22.14 | mgedmin | some kind of reverse-autotuning (find a frequency as far as possible from any fm station) would be nice |
| 17:22.38 | _berto_ | but can you see the error messages on the xterm? |
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| 17:22.56 | tbf | mgedmin: after a first scan it still should check for the frequency with minimum noise |
| 17:23.12 | AndrewFBlack | not showing any |
| 17:23.28 | Lantizia | ruskie: so it needs to be done on a debian etch machine? |
| 17:23.33 | AbstractW | GUI development possible on pymaemo like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PF3Jp1MNnc :) |
| 17:23.40 | Lantizia | ruskie: how does it know to compile for maemo 5 dependancies then? |
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| 17:24.00 | ruskie | Lantizia, no on a system with the SDK running :) |
| 17:24.02 | tbf | mgedmin: the closer you come to berlin's border the more noise from stations from brandenburg you get... |
| 17:24.02 | _berto_ | then I don't know |
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| 17:24.13 | ruskie | Lantizia, inside of the SDK |
| 17:24.14 | tbf | maybe just the output power of the FMTX is too low? |
| 17:24.21 | tbf | (damn regulations in that case) |
| 17:24.25 | Lantizia | ruskie: ah so you enter some kind of SDK prompt? |
| 17:24.36 | Lantizia | ruskie: not installed the SDK yet - stuck at work on a windows prompt |
| 17:24.41 | AndrewFBlack | wait I sudo gainroot then reopened it and I got a unable to intialize DBUS when i opened it |
| 17:25.02 | _berto_ | don't know if it works as root |
| 17:25.07 | _berto_ | you should launch it with 'user' |
| 17:25.11 | pupnik | mgedmin: great idea |
| 17:25.13 | jebba | NOTE! WELL! LOOK! You will get a brick if you reboot 17 times without powering off completely!!! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37431 |
| 17:25.27 | mgedmin | jebba, is there a bug in bugs.maemo.org? |
| 17:25.40 | pupnik | let's see if fm tuner has a signal quality report |
| 17:25.41 | _berto_ | what ? |
| 17:25.48 | jebba | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350#c39 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 |
| 17:25.51 | povbot | Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 50 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them |
| 17:25.52 | povbot | Bug 7019: Release source code of "getbootstate" |
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| 17:26.21 | pupnik | ty for warning |
| 17:26.21 | AndrewFBlack | ok lanchingas user doesn´t show message |
| 17:26.30 | mgedmin | whoa, fun bug |
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| 17:28.04 | yuizy | 19:18:13 <@hequ> the item and plus the shipment to my Wife in Africa.Mail me |
| 17:28.48 | yuizy | oops |
| 17:28.52 | yuizy | :P |
| 17:30.35 | ruskie | Lantizia, something like that |
| 17:30.59 | LuciusMare | aw,man |
| 17:31.09 | LuciusMare | i still keep reading about new and new android devices |
| 17:31.19 | LuciusMare | i am rethinking my decision to buy n900 |
| 17:31.41 | AbstractW | Whys that, LuciusMare? |
| 17:31.47 | AbstractW | Just read about the nexus one? |
| 17:32.09 | AbstractW | The grass will always be greener on the other side. |
| 17:32.26 | ruskie | that nexus one reminds me of a palm device |
| 17:32.37 | LuciusMare | yup,and also tablet with android,not mentioning motodroid. |
| 17:32.39 | ruskie | seriously looks like a palm device |
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| 17:33.15 | AbstractW | I'd rather have a nokia phone, than a google phone. |
| 17:33.16 | jebba | android is lame java blah |
| 17:33.41 | jebba | this thing is like running ubuntu practically (including non-free shiite which breaks things). |
| 17:33.42 | AbstractW | I'll take python over java, please. |
| 17:33.54 | jebba | notes the 17 reboot BRICK is part of non-free code. |
| 17:34.45 | wazd_n801 | I'm thinking of ordering Pandora) |
| 17:34.46 | AbstractW | You're kidding... pymaemo has non-free components?! >< |
| 17:34.52 | LuciusMare | they released a sdk that makes you able to code in native code |
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| 17:35.16 | wazd_n801 | LuciusMare, go and buy android |
| 17:35.30 | jebba | AbstractW: i dont know of anything non-free in pymaeom |
| 17:35.37 | wazd_n801 | LuciusMare, what else do you want |
| 17:35.38 | igagis_ | LuciusMare: with this SDK you can only code some abstract algorithms. You cannot access any peripherial devices etc... |
| 17:35.48 | LuciusMare | oh |
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| 17:35.53 | AbstractW | jebba: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation_device.html they say you need the non-free repository component >< |
| 17:35.56 | LuciusMare | i rethink my decision of rethinking my decision. |
| 17:35.58 | lardman | evening |
| 17:36.09 | RST38h | yawns |
| 17:36.18 | crashanddie | eveng lardman |
| 17:36.19 | AbstractW | Why is garage.maemo.org so slow today? |
| 17:36.24 | lardman | hey crashanddie |
| 17:36.25 | igagis_ | I worked with android on my recent job, can't say I like android... after that |
| 17:36.32 | lardman | AbstractW: s/today/always |
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| 17:36.43 | Guest89658 | AbstractW: you don't need it , it is just the "standard line" :) PyMaemo does not use anything from there |
| 17:36.44 | crashanddie | AbstractW: solar flares are interfering with the magnetic poles and causing major traffic issues on the backbones |
| 17:37.10 | AbstractW | hehehe. |
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| 17:37.57 | AbstractW | I assume I should be using the Maemo SDK Virtual Image, 2nd Edition? |
| 17:38.49 | AbstractW | Is garage.maemo.org running off of an N900? :P |
| 17:39.04 | lardman | AbstractW: 770 |
| 17:39.13 | lardman | actually two of them |
| 17:39.14 | AbstractW | I knew it! :) |
| 17:41.31 | _berto_ | lardman: no, no |
| 17:41.45 | _berto_ | lardman: they upgraded to an n810 2 years ago |
| 17:41.53 | AbstractW | hah. |
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| 17:42.08 | _berto_ | but today is specially slow |
| 17:43.03 | lardman | ah I see :) |
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| 17:43.26 | lardman | wonders if the two retired 770s could also be brought online |
| 17:43.30 | pupnik | igagis_: can you explain a little what you didn't like? |
| 17:43.32 | Anupras | hello guys, i have 1 question |
| 17:43.43 | Anupras | i was using vodafone connection |
| 17:43.47 | samppa | yes maemo.org is currently veeery slow, slower than usual :) |
| 17:44.11 | Anupras | and when i pressed to check available connection, my n900 showed me quickly available wlan and vodafone |
| 17:44.36 | Anupras | i tried to connect one wlan connection, got connected and disconnected, because of bad signal after about 1 minute |
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| 17:44.42 | RST38h | ohmygod theyhavegotjavainstalled |
| 17:44.46 | RST38h | we are all gonna die. |
| 17:45.04 | Anupras | and now it takes a while for n900 to check connection and it finds only vodafone and still after a while |
| 17:45.09 | Anupras | what happened? |
| 17:45.11 | wazd_n801 | woo, my ddp n900 is finaly on its way to someone) |
| 17:45.19 | igagis_ | pupnik: well, the opinion formed after working with android is that it is very well designed to implement all sorts of menus, dialogs, etc. But implementing some custom task is hard or even impossible |
| 17:45.22 | samppa | RST38h: i red that you also had some problems with libpulse in extras ? |
| 17:45.37 | wazd_n801 | RST38h, ponies! |
| 17:45.53 | igagis_ | pupnik: for example, I have no idea how to implement app similar to my Theremin app for maemo on android |
| 17:46.16 | pupnik | aha, ty! |
| 17:46.41 | RST38h | samppa: Yea, somebody keworked libpulse0*test* |
| 17:46.47 | RST38h | Is it back? |
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| 17:46.57 | wazd_n801 | android is a sister of WebOS |
| 17:47.09 | samppa | RST38h: well my package (mplayer) says it has missing depencies now |
| 17:47.20 | Anupras | guys anyone knows ? |
| 17:47.21 | wazd_n801 | speaking of UI |
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| 17:47.31 | samppa | RST38h: shouldn't libpulse be part of SDK ? |
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| 17:47.40 | nhg1 | Does anyone know if Maemo has packages needed to decode AAC audio? (such as gstreamer plugins for FFMPEG/MAD etc). |
| 17:48.12 | lardman | X-Fade: you about? |
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| 17:49.42 | lardman | does anyone know who pushed fort77 to diablo-extras-dev ? |
| 17:49.52 | lardman | January 2009 |
| 17:49.59 | lardman | wonders if it was him |
| 17:50.00 | _berto_ | nhg1: there's the nokiaaacdec GStreamer plugin |
| 17:50.14 | _berto_ | nhg1: so I imagine that's a yes ;) |
| 17:50.34 | Anupras | can anyone help me a lit ? |
| 17:50.44 | nhg1 | _berto_: thanks...is there some site where I can look at these packages? maemo newb. |
| 17:50.47 | mgedmin | how can I see the reboot counter? |
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| 17:51.08 | jebba | mgedmin: very good question. Let me know if you find out. |
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| 17:52.39 | RST38h | samppa: I think they screwed it up in the sdk somehow |
| 17:52.53 | _berto_ | nhg1: http://pastebin.com/mf2a89d9 |
| 17:53.01 | RST38h | samppa: I am not entirely sure what the problem is though. May need to catch jeremiah. |
| 17:53.35 | Ceron | any new intresting map application |
| 17:53.37 | Ceron | for the n900 |
| 17:53.39 | Ceron | O_o |
| 17:53.45 | Ceron | like a navigator program |
| 17:53.53 | Ceron | Maep = awsome map software |
| 17:54.00 | Ceron | works great on the n900 |
| 17:54.14 | ifreq | widget is also nice |
| 17:54.15 | ifreq | :) |
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| 17:54.34 | samppa | RST38h: ok |
| 17:55.34 | Corsac | woouuh |
| 17:55.36 | Corsac | got mine |
| 17:56.10 | mgedmin | jebba, cat /var/lib/dsme/boot_count |
| 17:56.30 | Corsac | hmh, the battery cover looks hard to remove |
| 17:56.40 | ifreq | Corsac: just rtfm |
| 17:56.41 | ifreq | :) |
| 17:56.54 | nhg1 | _berto_: didn't see the AAC plugin on your pastebin...where would I need to get it from? |
| 17:57.34 | _berto_ | nhg1: it's in the gstreamer0.10-nokia-speech package |
| 17:57.35 | Corsac | ifreq: the fm only says to put the finger in the hole :) |
| 17:57.37 | _berto_ | nhg1: it's closed-source |
| 17:57.44 | nhg1 | oh ok |
| 17:57.58 | mgedmin | Corsac, yep, the cover is very unfriendly |
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| 17:58.23 | nhg1 | yes...was looking for an opensource plugin like ffmpeg or mad....I thought they're standard gstreamer packages...but not sure |
| 17:58.49 | _berto_ | nhg1: those ones are not installed |
| 17:58.50 | ifreq | Corsac: heh okay :) |
| 17:59.07 | orbarron | _berto_: does mer have a solution for this... |
| 17:59.09 | nhg1 | _berto_: was that listing from your N900? |
| 17:59.22 | Corsac | I'm scared to break the cover |
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| 18:00.28 | guido_g | hi all, any idea where to find the chat logs (history)? |
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| 18:02.16 | crashanddie | guido_g: check the /topic? |
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| 18:03.28 | lcuk | Corsac, taking the back cover off? |
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| 18:03.56 | Corsac | yep |
| 18:03.56 | lcuk | get your stylus, shove it into the thumbslot thingy and twist a bit, feels less like you are snapping it |
| 18:04.07 | guido_g | crashanddie: sorry, i've been a bit unclear, where to find the files in the filesystem where the chat logs are stored |
| 18:04.07 | Corsac | yeah, it's done |
| 18:04.09 | Corsac | I was a bit scare |
| 18:04.11 | lcuk | i shove it about 3 inches in and lid totally pops off |
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| 18:04.48 | Corsac | ok, the nokia hands video is scary indeed :) |
| 18:05.28 | ifreq | Corsac: it can be changed to anything you want tho |
| 18:05.29 | ifreq | =) |
| 18:05.32 | _berto_ | nhg1: no, not from mine |
| 18:05.40 | _berto_ | nhg1: someone else pasted it there |
| 18:07.51 | Anupras | guys |
| 18:08.52 | Anupras | i was using 3gconnection and today tried wifi, got connected and disconnected after 1 min (bad signal) after that it takes a while for search connections and it doesnt find any wlan connection just 3g |
| 18:09.10 | Anupras | and even to find voda 3g connection it takes a while |
| 18:09.15 | Anupras | any clues why? |
| 18:10.11 | nhg1 | _berto_: ok thx |
| 18:11.28 | Anupras | oh.... |
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| 18:15.33 | nhg1 | Maemo has a package repository with a listing of all the packages available? Is it the maemo garage? |
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| 18:18.05 | Jaffa | nhg1: http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 18:19.31 | Jaffa | _berto_: Cool |
| 18:20.08 | fnordianslip | woohoo. conky now in extras-devel. it lives |
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| 18:21.11 | ifreq | goodie |
| 18:21.30 | ifreq | i could move my test conkycf to phone now.. |
| 18:21.59 | fnordianslip | ifreq: are you gonna try it? please first try copying the example conf from /opt |
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| 18:22.18 | fnordianslip | and using that. it does use the droid fonts |
| 18:22.38 | ifreq | ah ok. ill test it later |
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| 18:22.52 | fnordianslip | and it doesn't yet work as a widget, just standalone app |
| 18:22.59 | mgedmin | did anybody ever find app manager's categories useful? |
| 18:23.05 | mgedmin | every time I try to guess, I guess wrong |
| 18:23.18 | mgedmin | e.g. now I'm looking for crash-reporter, thought it'd be in System, alas no |
| 18:23.27 | mgedmin | no clue where to look for it (Other? Utilities? Programming?) |
| 18:24.17 | mgedmin | Other, apparently |
| 18:24.26 | mgedmin | although I don't know which one of the two "Other" categories |
| 18:25.15 | Corsac | wow, 42-11 |
| 18:25.17 | Corsac | that's old |
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| 18:28.51 | aspidites | lol @ conky on N900 |
| 18:30.02 | fnordianslip | conky - http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/screenshot07.png |
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| 18:31.04 | toggles_2 | lol |
| 18:32.12 | Ceron | rootfs 54.3m available |
| 18:32.13 | Ceron | :P |
| 18:32.16 | Ceron | is that good? |
| 18:32.26 | fnordianslip | better than mine |
| 18:33.10 | Ceron | i have used 2 gigs of 27gb :D |
| 18:33.10 | ml-N900 | 67.6! |
| 18:33.19 | fnordianslip | of course i can't install my conky deb from the repo cos its buggered right now |
| 18:33.24 | Ceron | on /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 18:33.44 | Ceron | ml-N900: installed any aps? |
| 18:33.48 | Ceron | apps* |
| 18:33.48 | fnordianslip | i've used 25GB of mine |
| 18:33.58 | Ceron | LOL :P |
| 18:33.59 | ml-N900 | xchat, ruby, vnc |
| 18:34.09 | Ceron | is there any rdp client |
| 18:34.11 | mgedmin | cool |
| 18:34.13 | Ceron | for n900 |
| 18:34.28 | ml-N900 | there is, I believe |
| 18:34.28 | mgedmin | Ceron, I've seen rdesktop in one of the extras variants |
| 18:34.38 | Ceron | is it optified |
| 18:34.43 | mgedmin | extras-devel |
| 18:34.44 | Ceron | dont want to use more of my rootfs :\ |
| 18:34.54 | mgedmin | I don't have it installed, so dunno |
| 18:35.04 | mgedmin | and you've got 54 megs available, which is incredibly many |
| 18:35.27 | mgedmin | I've been living with 3.6 megs free for *weeks* |
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| 18:36.03 | Micha_ | pokes garage |
| 18:36.09 | jebba900 | in taxi. This thing rules. |
| 18:36.23 | Ceron | mgedmin: heh you probally installed |
| 18:36.27 | Ceron | alot for devels-extras |
| 18:36.31 | Ceron | from |
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| 18:36.42 | Ceron | non optified stuff |
| 18:36.46 | aspidites | extras-devel* |
| 18:36.48 | Ceron | eating your device :P |
| 18:37.20 | mgedmin | oh yes |
| 18:37.23 | jebba900 | mgedmin, you have brick? U try my R&d mode recover? |
| 18:37.50 | Ceron | does the n900 got any temperature sensors? |
| 18:37.51 | mgedmin | in fact I had so many, that when I made a backup of the loaned n900, and tried to restore it on my new n900, the app installer ran out of space in the middle |
| 18:37.51 | Ceron | :) |
| 18:37.58 | mgedmin | wasted the whole morning |
| 18:38.03 | mgedmin | sadly, no |
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| 18:38.09 | Ceron | no temp sensors :l? |
| 18:38.12 | mgedmin | I want a temperature sensor and a magnetic compass in my n900! |
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| 18:38.23 | mgedmin | jebba900, no, I haven't bricked any n900s yet |
| 18:38.24 | lcuk | and ponies |
| 18:38.26 | Ceron | i want a real gyro compass |
| 18:38.46 | Ceron | with a 500kg ball spinning inside the n900 |
| 18:38.47 | lcuk | anti-grav field |
| 18:38.52 | jebba900 | ah good |
| 18:39.14 | Ceron | vill keep my n900 aligned properlly! |
| 18:39.22 | jebba900 | a lighter |
| 18:39.24 | Ceron | powerball is a must for n900 |
| 18:39.36 | mgedmin | btw accelerometer is not a good way to toggle portrait/landscape |
| 18:39.42 | mgedmin | conboy keeps rotating when I don't want it to |
| 18:39.52 | mgedmin | and the rotation animation is TOO DAMN SLOW |
| 18:39.57 | RST38h | anyone knows if the Enigma game is optified? |
| 18:40.06 | RST38h | mgedminL admit it, you just want a tricorder |
| 18:40.17 | Ceron | lol |
| 18:40.18 | mgedmin | RST38h, I've never seen the original Star Trek series |
| 18:40.19 | mgedmin | sadly |
| 18:40.26 | RST38h | mgedmin: torrent, no? |
| 18:40.36 | RST38h | mgedmin: although I would start with DrWho, really |
| 18:40.38 | mgedmin | apt-get install some-free-time |
| 18:40.40 | Ceron | RST38h wants spock to beam him into the n900 |
| 18:40.40 | mgedmin | package not found |
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| 18:41.10 | Ceron | mgedmin: you got freetime right now. |
| 18:41.20 | RST38h | mgedmin: StarTrek is a cryptosocialist US scifi |
| 18:41.30 | mgedmin | no, I'm busy wasting time on irc |
| 18:41.38 | mgedmin | watching TV would require more concentration |
| 18:41.43 | redeeman | lol cryptosocialist |
| 18:41.48 | RST38h | mgedmin: DrWho is an endless British Kindzadza =) |
| 18:42.00 | Ceron | watch all 7 seasons of TNG |
| 18:42.06 | Ceron | and all 14 movies |
| 18:42.07 | RST38h | Ceron: No. |
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| 18:42.40 | cpscotti | Hello fellas! can someone test accdisplay? its on extras-testing now. It's a graphical tool to view/record/playback accelerometer's data. I fixed all the issues pointed yesterday.. thanks |
| 18:42.42 | mgedmin | once watched too many seasons of Babylon 5, and then gave up in the beginning of the last one |
| 18:42.43 | Ceron | picard > kirk |
| 18:43.00 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 18:43.05 | mgedmin | now imagines what playing back accelerometer's data ought to really mean |
| 18:43.13 | jebba900 | cpscotti, sounds cool. |
| 18:43.20 | mgedmin | that'd be a neat trick |
| 18:43.25 | jebba900 | test burgerspace too it rules heh |
| 18:43.33 | mgedmin | have the n900 jump around according to written instructions |
| 18:43.42 | zash | mgedmin: hahaha |
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| 18:43.55 | flux | cpscotti, I tried it a few days ago, but it didn't seem to be able to actually save.. should work now? |
| 18:44.24 | flux | such measurements can be nice for prototyping stuff like distance measuring (if they can be done or not) |
| 18:44.35 | b0unc3 | someone know which is the replacement of hildon_font_selection_dialog_new() ? (the api docs said it's deprecated now) |
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| 18:44.50 | Ceron | how can you meassure distance with accelometer :p |
| 18:45.09 | Stskeeps | simulating a pedometer |
| 18:45.12 | flux | ceron, in theory, you could just integrate the value |
| 18:45.20 | flux | well, pedometer would be something different |
| 18:45.30 | flux | ceron, well, actually you integrate the value to get a speed an integrate that to get a distance.. |
| 18:45.36 | Ceron | pedo meter? |
| 18:45.37 | flux | but yeah, it might not be very workable :) |
| 18:46.23 | Ceron | isee :P |
| 18:46.41 | Micha_ | Not really - done on the S60 SportsTracker app |
| 18:46.46 | Ceron | n900 should just have an inbuilt laser distance meter dystem |
| 18:46.48 | Ceron | system |
| 18:47.00 | Ceron | thats used in construction work |
| 18:47.08 | flux | ceron, or maybe something really crazy, like satellite navigation system! |
| 18:47.19 | Ceron | thats not precise :0 |
| 18:47.34 | lcuk | thats crazy talk, how would they get tape measures all the way upto space |
| 18:47.44 | LuciusMare | wait |
| 18:47.45 | Ceron | lol |
| 18:47.50 | LuciusMare | what is a pedometer? |
| 18:47.58 | lcuk | step counter |
| 18:47.59 | Ceron | stuff for pedos |
| 18:48.02 | Ceron | oh |
| 18:48.10 | LuciusMare | Until now,i just thought its a meter that measures how many pedophiles are near |
| 18:48.22 | Stskeeps | that does exist on the iphone |
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| 18:48.25 | LuciusMare | then why it is "pedo" ? |
| 18:48.29 | cpscotti | flux: yes yes.. everything should work now... |
| 18:48.46 | Micha_ | From foot |
| 18:48.50 | fnordianslip | like some kind of gaydar? |
| 18:48.53 | Micha_ | You're thinking of paedophile |
| 18:48.53 | LuciusMare | foot to pedo? |
| 18:48.53 | cpscotti | jebba900: thanks |
| 18:48.56 | Hiisty | LuciusMare: pedo = pedestrian etc, maybe from latin? |
| 18:49.06 | AndrewFBlack | is garage down? |
| 18:49.07 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 18:49.08 | LuciusMare | maybe |
| 18:49.13 | fnordianslip | downish |
| 18:49.15 | LuciusMare | i didnt know the world pediastran either |
| 18:49.15 | Micha_ | AndrewFBlack: No, just veeeeeeery slow |
| 18:49.30 | mgedmin | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/garage.maemo.org |
| 18:49.51 | LuciusMare | er |
| 18:49.55 | AndrewFBlack | takes Garage Server out back with a gun like they did Old Yeller |
| 18:49.57 | LuciusMare | *the WORD pediastran |
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| 18:50.22 | mgedmin | love the url, dislike the advertisement |
| 18:50.36 | Micha_ | Laters. |
| 18:50.40 | cpscotti | flux: that's precisely the idea.. I made it so that i could judge whats plausible and what's not... |
| 18:51.11 | mgedmin | wasn't the garage server upgrade planned for early December? |
| 18:51.15 | mgedmin | checks the calendar |
| 18:51.36 | cehteh | dont check your calendart check nokias .... |
| 18:51.51 | cehteh | they doe everything 2-3 months later than announced |
| 18:52.13 | Lynoure | OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 405: oil_test_check_impl(): function mas10_u8_mmx_2 in class mas10_u8_l15 failed check (6616 > 0) || (outside=0) |
| 18:52.14 | lcuk | LuciusMare, Hiisty |
| 18:52.18 | lcuk | Etymology: French pédomètre, from Latin ped-, pes foot + French -mètre -meter |
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| 18:52.41 | Lynoure | No luck so far finding out what that's about. Any ideas? I'm trying to play a sound with phonon |
| 18:52.53 | Hiisty | lcuk: i was right!!! |
| 18:52.59 | Hiisty | 1st time ever |
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| 18:53.59 | cehteh | Lynoure: that looks fishy (6616 > 0) || (outside=0) |
| 18:54.05 | andre___ | povbot, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 |
| 18:54.05 | povbot | andre___: Error: "https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1" is not a valid command. |
| 18:54.06 | cehteh | shoudlnt that be outside == 0 |
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| 18:54.58 | Lynoure | cehteh: I would not know, this is first time I run into anything about liboil |
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| 18:55.31 | cehteh | Lynoure: i dont even know whats loboil is good for :) |
| 18:55.45 | Lynoure | cehteh: that makes two of us, then |
| 18:55.52 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: o/ |
| 18:56.01 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.09 | cehteh | (and the lines before in context) |
| 18:56.41 | mgedmin | andre___, if you want to see a bug title, just say bug #1 |
| 18:56.43 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it |
| 18:56.45 | jiajia | hei guys when i open the app manager there are only 6 catalog |
| 18:56.50 | jiajia | how could i get more for n900 |
| 18:57.00 | mgedmin | jiajia, why? |
| 18:57.07 | jiajia | i don't know why |
| 18:57.14 | mgedmin | then you don't need more catalogues ;) |
| 18:57.15 | jiajia | i open it and it has 6 only |
| 18:57.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: (shouldn't that...) not if it's a script |
| 18:57.29 | mgedmin | I believe it has only 3 out of the box |
| 18:57.33 | Lynoure | cehteh: http://pastebin.com/m10895a92 |
| 18:57.47 | jiajia | my friend had lots of catalog as default |
| 18:58.09 | mgedmin | on a n900? |
| 18:58.12 | Lynoure | cehteh: the app tries to play a sound with phonon. |
| 18:58.14 | jiajia | yeas |
| 18:58.21 | jiajia | yeah the app manager |
| 18:58.26 | mgedmin | you are using some strange new meaning for the word "default" |
| 18:58.41 | jiajia | i have 6 only my friend has lots of it we are all using the new one |
| 18:58.42 | cehteh | Lynoure: the source line i meant file: liboiltest.c line 405 |
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| 18:58.59 | Lynoure | cehteh: I don't know where to look for that |
| 18:59.05 | mgedmin | other than the two official nokia repositories, plus maemo extras, there's only tools plus the two experimental extras-devel/extras-testing that are worth any attention |
| 18:59.13 | Lynoure | cehteh: like I said, first time I hear about liboil. |
| 18:59.38 | cehteh | yeah .. but i can only help you with your problem when you figure that out :P |
| 19:00.00 | Lynoure | cehteh: I think at that point I can also help myself with it... |
| 19:00.00 | mgedmin | liboil contains optimized assembly routines for doing stuff; "mmx" in the function name is interesting as I don't think it ought to apply to armel |
| 19:00.06 | mgedmin | is this in x86 scratchbox? |
| 19:00.13 | mgedmin | yes, I see it is |
| 19:00.14 | Lynoure | mgedmin: it is. |
| 19:00.27 | mgedmin | interesting |
| 19:00.35 | mgedmin | sadly, my knowledge about liboil ends here |
| 19:00.48 | mgedmin | 32 or 64-bit OS? |
| 19:00.50 | cehteh | mgedmin: still an assertion with a test like (outside = 0) looks extremely fishy in C |
| 19:00.52 | timeless_mbp | what about libwater? |
| 19:00.58 | timeless_mbp | or libh2o? |
| 19:01.19 | Lynoure | mgedmin: the host the scratchbox is on 32bit Ubuntu 9.10 |
| 19:01.34 | mgedmin | votes for libnih as the best library name, although librarian comes kinda close |
| 19:02.03 | cehteh | liberty :) |
| 19:02.24 | range | owfat for -lowfat :) |
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| 19:02.39 | mgedmin | are those real? |
| 19:02.54 | timeless_mbp | -liberty is real |
| 19:02.56 | timeless_mbp | sadly |
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| 19:03.01 | cehteh | my debuging lib uses defines like EBUG_ALPHA then you can use the -DEBUG_ALPHA compiler switch :) |
| 19:03.07 | jon1012 | hi |
| 19:03.26 | timeless_mbp | cehteh: yuck |
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| 19:05.25 | Lynoure | mgedmin: I assume this is somehow related to phonon, as the same app before the phonon stuff did not give this |
| 19:06.13 | range | As is -lowfat (dietlibc) |
| 19:06.25 | mgedmin | kinda regrets wading into the conversation when he has no clue about phonon or liboil on scratchbox |
| 19:06.36 | mgedmin | and isn't really all that interested |
| 19:07.18 | loppear | woke up this morning with a dead n900 battery despite being plugged into the charger. after recharging today seems to be ok - I expect it is due to one of two extras-testing apps I installed last night. any resources for investigating battery usage, other than waiting? |
| 19:07.40 | pupnik | ' |
| 19:07.42 | pupnik | top' |
| 19:07.45 | timeless_mbp | loppear: it's possible for some devices to have bad states |
| 19:07.46 | mgedmin | loppear, maybe bug 6004 ? |
| 19:07.48 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6004 N900 sometimes ignores USB data cable |
| 19:07.56 | Proteous | you didn't install the one called "INSTALL THIS NOW FOR FREE PICTURES OF TOM CRUSE!" |
| 19:07.56 | timeless_mbp | ah, mgedmin has a bug number |
| 19:08.22 | crashanddie | who's tom cruse? |
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| 19:08.29 | mgedmin | although I've only seen it twice, and only with the data cable |
| 19:08.31 | mgedmin | never with a charger |
| 19:08.34 | Proteous | :P |
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| 19:08.48 | range | crashanddie: The guy in the free pictures. |
| 19:08.55 | Proteous | lol |
| 19:08.56 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: i get it w/ the charger :) |
| 19:09.06 | timeless_mbp | but mine is beta hardware |
| 19:09.23 | mgedmin | timeless_mbp, does it indicate that it's charging (icon/blinking led)? |
| 19:09.27 | loppear | mgedmin: this was on the charger, and recharge fine as on data cable actually. will verify that the charger also still works later. |
| 19:09.31 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: nope |
| 19:09.32 | crashanddie | range: this guy? http://user.media.sweat365.com/brad.sweat365.com/files/2007/12/real-six-pack-abs.jpg |
| 19:09.37 | loppear | but in all cases, charging was indicated. |
| 19:09.38 | mgedmin | so at least the UI isn't lying |
| 19:09.39 | timeless_mbp | not until it runs out of power and dies |
| 19:09.42 | loppear | (ui & led) |
| 19:09.43 | timeless_mbp | then it starts charging |
| 19:09.55 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: actually, i shouldn't say that |
| 19:10.04 | mgedmin | hm |
| 19:10.07 | timeless_mbp | my hardware sometimes pretends it's charging when it isn't even plugged into anything :) |
| 19:10.18 | range | crashanddie: I didn't install the package :) |
| 19:10.21 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: please don't talk about your sex life |
| 19:10.22 | timeless_mbp | beta hardware is fun :) |
| 19:10.23 | Lynoure | mgedmin: that's ok. Thanks for voicing your regret, that way I know not to uninterest you further :) |
| 19:10.34 | mgedmin | I like how my n900 is still charging several seconds after the charger is unplugged from the wall socket |
| 19:10.55 | timeless_mbp | nice |
| 19:10.58 | timeless_mbp | actually |
| 19:11.01 | timeless_mbp | that might be legit |
| 19:11.07 | timeless_mbp | if the charger has a capacitor (?) |
| 19:11.12 | mgedmin | that's what I think |
| 19:11.13 | loppear | mgedmin: i get that was well (after unplugging) but assumed it was legit. |
| 19:11.15 | Roaziel | Hi, guys. i just got my N900 yesterday and I have this little problem that just sort of showed up earlier today... The calendar sort of just crashes as soon as it attempts to start up and I get a message that says something like "internet error". |
| 19:11.22 | mgedmin | although my understanding of electricity leaves a lot to be desired |
| 19:11.26 | timeless_mbp | given that chargers have to handle surges |
| 19:11.36 | timeless_mbp | because power in portions of the world is um ... |
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| 19:11.51 | timeless_mbp | (and yes, i've been to Ukraine, among other interesting parts of the world |
| 19:11.54 | mgedmin | Roaziel, clearly, it's a bug |
| 19:12.02 | mgedmin | have you tried searching in bugs.maemo.org? |
| 19:12.02 | timeless_mbp | heck, in Uman, they don't always have running water, let alone power) |
| 19:12.15 | mgedmin | installs crash-reporter |
| 19:12.34 | Roaziel | Well not at bugs.maemo.org but I did google the specific error message and got Nothing |
| 19:12.38 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: fwiw, you're right |
| 19:12.44 | mgedmin | cool, bluetooth DUN support has been packaged as a deb! |
| 19:12.51 | Anupras | guys, how do i send facebook messages ? |
| 19:13.05 | pupnik | facebook.com? |
| 19:13.10 | mgedmin | Anupras, with a browser |
| 19:13.21 | Anupras | yeah, but when i connect to facebook |
| 19:13.23 | mgedmin | is often right and even more often wrong |
| 19:13.29 | Anupras | and press on my friends list |
| 19:13.40 | Anupras | it's loading and after while says no friends available |
| 19:13.50 | mgedmin | sometimes facebook's javascript starts ignoring keyboard/mouse events, and I get to reload the page |
| 19:14.01 | kleanchap | I am planning to buy a small netbook with touch screen capabilities. Can I install maemo as the base operating system on it and still be able to develop Java applications? |
| 19:14.33 | mgedmin | kleanchap, not maemo itself, but maybe mer could be convinced to run |
| 19:14.36 | mgedmin | I wouldn't be too hopeful |
| 19:15.02 | kleanchap | what is mer? |
| 19:15.12 | Ceron | whee -10c outside |
| 19:15.13 | mgedmin | a completely open-source remix of maemo |
| 19:15.15 | Ceron | and -34 in lapland :\ |
| 19:15.25 | mgedmin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 19:15.26 | Corsac | hhm, 42-11 is still the latests available version? |
| 19:15.31 | RST38h | yes |
| 19:15.32 | mgedmin | maemo has lots of closed-source parts |
| 19:15.38 | Ceron | will my n900 be capable of -33c? |
| 19:15.41 | Ceron | in the winter |
| 19:15.50 | Ceron | working normally :P |
| 19:15.52 | kleanchap | mgedmin, what platform can I install maemo to develop applications? |
| 19:15.54 | _berto_ | <mgedmin> cool, bluetooth DUN support has been packaged as a deb! |
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| 19:15.55 | _berto_ | \o/ |
| 19:16.09 | kleanchap | mgedmin, I have Fedora and Slackware. |
| 19:17.41 | Corsac | hmhm, and no flasher for amd64? |
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| 19:18.42 | loppear | Ceron: doing fine in my backpack at -10-15c here.. so far. |
| 19:19.20 | Ceron | ok, tell me when it fails :p |
| 19:19.55 | mgedmin | kleanchap, to develop maemo apps you need any linux distro (debian is often recommended) |
| 19:20.20 | mgedmin | anybody brave enough to have tried 0xFFFF to flash a n900? |
| 19:20.24 | kleanchap | mgedmin, thnx |
| 19:20.55 | mgedmin | it probably doesn't work |
| 19:20.58 | Roaziel | Ok, I checked bugs.maemo.org and I didnt find anything that even mentions my problem. Kinda gives me the feeling Im the only one in the workd whose having this problem :S |
| 19:21.02 | mgedmin | the website wasn't updated since 2008 |
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| 19:21.15 | mgedmin | Roaziel, congratulations! |
| 19:21.16 | mgedmin | :) |
| 19:21.28 | RST38h | Ceron: Battery may fail at this low t |
| 19:21.35 | mgedmin | did you manage to add any events to your calendar, or is this a completely fresh device? |
| 19:21.54 | Ceron | RST38h: really :P |
| 19:21.56 | RST38h | qwerty12: Around? |
| 19:22.12 | Roaziel | Well it was brand new yesterday |
| 19:22.19 | Roaziel | But the problem came up Today |
| 19:22.26 | RST38h | Ceron: But if you start playing a movie in advance, or use a bittorrent client, our N900 will be preheated =) |
| 19:22.33 | Roaziel | granted i didnt really do much at all with the calendar |
| 19:22.47 | Macer | damnit |
| 19:22.59 | Macer | damn german audio channels.. i have to re-encode this crap to get rid of it |
| 19:23.00 | mgedmin | ah, 0xFFFF + N900 = work in progress, according to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Flashing_N900_with_0xFFFF |
| 19:23.01 | Roaziel | is there a way to reset an application or reinstall it? |
| 19:23.14 | jiajia | hei guys how to send mms by n900 |
| 19:23.21 | jiajia | it seems i can't do it |
| 19:23.39 | mgedmin | Roaziel, I'd recommend installing crash-reporter, then reproducing the crash |
| 19:23.45 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, have you received anything? |
| 19:23.56 | mgedmin | jiajia, the internet is full of complaints that N900 doesn't support MMS messages |
| 19:23.58 | Roaziel | lol, thatll be easy it crashed every time i try to start it up |
| 19:24.14 | jebba900 | new n900 code recently addede to 0xFFFF |
| 19:24.21 | Roaziel | Where is this "crash-reporter"? |
| 19:24.32 | jiajia | mgedmin: will it be possible later on |
| 19:24.41 | jiajia | that is something important |
| 19:24.49 | jebba900 | i think mms support doesnt come until ofono support, but not certain |
| 19:24.49 | mgedmin | hm... fremantle tools repo |
| 19:24.58 | RST38h | wazd: On GMail? No =( |
| 19:25.10 | mgedmin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
| 19:25.18 | Roaziel | thanks |
| 19:25.20 | jiajia | mgedmin: to me |
| 19:25.34 | mgedmin | jiajia, but not to me, so I never investigated ... |
| 19:25.45 | jiajia | okey thanks , so it seems i can't send it |
| 19:25.46 | mgedmin | ISTR it's "work in progress", but I don't know if you can expect anything soon |
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| 19:30.28 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, fcuk |
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| 19:31.25 | RST38h | wazd: try gmail mobile |
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| 19:34.42 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, link?) |
| 19:36.51 | crashanddie | infobot: sorry? |
| 19:36.52 | infobot | ACTION appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT WAS THEM, THEY MADE ME DO IT!!!" |
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| 19:37.05 | wazd_n800 | omg |
| 19:37.08 | crashanddie | infobot: since when do you talk? |
| 19:37.14 | wazd_n800 | Skynet is here |
| 19:37.28 | wazd_n800 | ponies! run! |
| 19:37.35 | crashanddie | OMG PONIES |
| 19:38.17 | Myrtti | PINK PONIES? |
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| 19:38.30 | wazd_n800 | yeah! run! |
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| 19:39.49 | Roaziel | mgedmin, is the crash-report software safe? :P |
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| 19:41.46 | AndrewFBlack | wazd_n800, you want to take a shot that a top view of a wolf for that sheep herding game? |
| 19:43.55 | mgedmin | Roaziel, I dunno, what's your definition of "safe"? |
| 19:44.04 | mgedmin | it's an official Nokia-created developer tool |
| 19:44.26 | mgedmin | they recommend installing it if you want to provide better bug reports on application crashes |
| 19:44.53 | mgedmin | if the application in question manages your bank accounts, your private info may make it into the crash dump, so it could be called unsafe in that regard |
| 19:45.04 | mgedmin | but Nokia promises not to use info from your crash dumps for evil purposes |
| 19:45.20 | granden | s there any good replacement for the mail-client on the N900? Something that supports IMAP IDLE and is a bit faster when opening big imap inboxes, would be great. |
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| 19:45.54 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:46.06 | mgedmin | used ssh + mutt for mail on N810, but is sufficiently happy with N900's builtin email client to use it every now and then |
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| 19:46.52 | granden | mgedmin: Thought of using a similar setup if I could not find any replacement for the mailclient. |
| 19:47.05 | granden | But would like something that alerts me of new incoming mails like the current client does |
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| 19:47.34 | mgedmin | I don't actually use Modest to *write* mail, btw, I just read it |
| 19:47.47 | wazd_n801 | skynet kicked me |
| 19:47.54 | mgedmin | mutt is addictive |
| 19:48.01 | granden | yeah :) |
| 19:48.01 | mgedmin | or, rather, a hard habit to kick |
| 19:48.13 | granden | I primarily use it for reading mail as well. |
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| 19:48.50 | granden | But when opening a mail from the notice-box. (The yellow one(default theme)) does not mark my email as read on the server. |
| 19:49.23 | Chae_Jae_Hyuk | Listeniando khaleint 20091216 1105 - 559223 ! [quality:128kbits 44100Hz time:17:54] |
| 19:49.24 | granden | And pretty slow for me when opening my inbo. |
| 19:49.43 | granden | inbox* |
| 19:50.06 | anpr | guys, does anyone have time to explain me a lit about facebook on maemo? |
| 19:51.27 | granden | Not used it that much, but what about it? |
| 19:52.46 | anpr | i just want to understand which is the best way |
| 19:52.58 | moo-_- | anpr: to do facebooking? |
| 19:53.00 | anpr | to send messages with facebook to friends |
| 19:53.09 | anpr | because when i connect to facebook |
| 19:53.10 | moo-_- | I use touch.facebook.com through the web browser |
| 19:53.19 | moo-_- | touch = iphone interface |
| 19:53.29 | LuciusMare | oy,iphone |
| 19:53.31 | moo-_- | it is not perfect, but works vert well |
| 19:53.38 | anpr | and press on my friend list, it loads, but after a while shows that facebook can not connect to friends list |
| 19:53.38 | granden | I prefer the lite.facebook.com interface |
| 19:53.51 | timeless_mbp | anpr: there's probably an addon for the n900 that lets it integrate into the device |
| 19:53.59 | timeless_mbp | at least for sharing files or something |
| 19:54.00 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 19:54.04 | granden | Works very well. |
| 19:54.08 | timeless_mbp | i got a chance to participate in a user study |
| 19:54.21 | timeless_mbp | but they said i had to be a member of at least 2 social networking sites |
| 19:54.36 | timeless_mbp | i don't think i was a member of any of the 4 listed :( |
| 19:54.51 | GAN900 | Where's Shopper for Fremantle. |
| 19:54.52 | GAN900 | ? |
| 19:55.02 | anpr | and is it possible to do something similar with facebook contacts like with skype ones ? |
| 19:55.09 | anpr | they are intergrated into contacts list |
| 19:56.02 | timeless_mbp | anpr: if someone wrote a plugin for it, yes |
| 19:56.17 | timeless_mbp | but it looks like the facebook thing that's available is a desktop widget and a sharing thing |
| 19:56.36 | timeless_mbp | so i guess the facebook people didn't write a contacts thing :/ |
| 19:57.17 | Stskeeps | GAN900: lost on a lower priority with lbt's work |
| 19:58.12 | anpr | ok, i see |
| 19:58.18 | anpr | another question |
| 19:58.19 | AndrewFBlack | why does extras not have a Themes Catagory for extras anymore |
| 19:58.44 | anpr | if, for example, i connected to my skype account, so n900 transfered all my contatcs |
| 19:58.53 | anpr | but if i want to connect to another skype contact |
| 19:59.15 | anpr | account* |
| 19:59.26 | anpr | and i do not need those previous contacts ? |
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| 19:59.55 | granden | hermez or what its called could be used? |
| 20:00.07 | granden | for syncing contacts with facebook contacts? |
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| 20:00.24 | granden | hermes* |
| 20:00.37 | loppear | granden: hermes is nice, but just uses facebook/twitter to add information about names you already have in your contacts. |
| 20:00.46 | granden | Ah |
| 20:00.48 | granden | I see |
| 20:00.52 | granden | Havent tried it |
| 20:00.59 | granden | Just read about it a little bit yesterday. |
| 20:02.31 | Roaziel | I cant find my documents folder in X-Terminal |
| 20:02.52 | granden | Anyone knows what the Mac OS folder is for? |
| 20:02.57 | Roaziel | Or to be more exact I can find it, but it says that the folder doesnt contain the file Im trying to access |
| 20:03.15 | Roaziel | Even though I know the file is there |
| 20:03.51 | anpr | guys did u see what i wrote about skype ? |
| 20:03.59 | anpr | i thing my connection beeped.. |
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| 20:05.06 | sp3000 | "...and i do not need those previous contacts ?" |
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| 20:05.50 | anpr | ok |
| 20:06.12 | anpr | so anyone any clues ? |
| 20:06.27 | sp3000 | hermes does something with facebook contacts afaiui |
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| 20:07.20 | sp3000 | also afaiui you want to be careful about deleting any contacts related to a service since it may delete them remotely as well |
| 20:07.29 | Anupras | and now it really beeped.. |
| 20:07.33 | sp3000 | I believe it warns but I think people have managed to do it anyway :) |
| 20:07.36 | Anupras | sp3000 yeah i know about deleting |
| 20:07.52 | Anupras | but if i want just to change skype account with different contacts |
| 20:07.54 | Anupras | is it possible ? |
| 20:08.22 | sp3000 | not sure what you're looking for, but you can remove the configuration for the account you have and configure another? |
| 20:08.56 | sp3000 | isn't that intimate with contacts |
| 20:09.03 | Anupras | but when you go to settings |
| 20:09.05 | Anupras | oh |
| 20:09.15 | Anupras | let's finish this topic, will try to figure it out |
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| 20:13.44 | Roaziel | Ok, I need help. Im trying to install Crash-Report as mgedmin suggested, but it said that it required libc-bin. So I downloaded libc-bin_2.10.2-2_armel.deb from Debian and im trying to install it in X-Terminal but all I get is "dpkg: 'ldconfig' not found pn PATH." and "dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH." |
| 20:14.18 | mgedmin | Roaziel, don't do that! |
| 20:14.26 | Roaziel | :S |
| 20:14.33 | mgedmin | downloading random .deb files from random distributions and installing them is definitely NOT safe |
| 20:14.41 | mgedmin | if app manager couldn't install crash reporter, give up |
| 20:14.51 | mgedmin | although it'd be interesting to know why... |
| 20:15.29 | Roaziel | *stops* geez. thanks for the warning i could've fucked up a brand new and devilishly expensive device XD |
| 20:15.46 | mgedmin | nah, it's fixable (although could be a hassle) |
| 20:16.14 | hrw | hi |
| 20:16.15 | mgedmin | I have crash-reporter installed -- and there's no sign of any package called libc-bin on my n900 |
| 20:16.18 | mgedmin | so, what happened? |
| 20:16.23 | hrw | someone here likes Protracker modules? |
| 20:16.28 | Roaziel | ok... so I cant install Crash-report... is there no way to reinstall or reconfigure the calendar to default settings or something?... without actually starting it up? :P |
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| 20:16.34 | cosmo | hrw: _o/ |
| 20:17.01 | konttori | tbf: it will be from ovi store |
| 20:17.09 | hrw | I need someone to just test binary on n900 |
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| 20:17.32 | Roaziel | Heeeey. wait a minute.... |
| 20:17.44 | cosmo | hrw: of what? |
| 20:17.44 | AbstractW | Anyone tried to get Mono up and running on their n900 yet? :P |
| 20:18.06 | RST38h | konttori: BTW, are there any news on the bug where "canont connect to to one of services" message annoyingly pops up every minute or so? |
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| 20:18.21 | mgedmin | AbstractW, surely when somebody does, Miguel will blog about it |
| 20:18.42 | Roaziel | Yesterday i tried installing an app called ScummVM and it had the same problem. it required libs. I googled it and saw that debian.org had all of them and I tried installing like 2 or 3 of them last night before I hopped in bed... then this morning this calendar thing happened... can it be related? |
| 20:19.27 | mgedmin | RST38h, fwiw I discovered it was account-plugin-salut that was causing that repetition, because of a bug in avahi-daemon: salut tries to register with avah, which isn't started on boot because it has no upstart file |
| 20:19.35 | mgedmin | I uploaded a fixed avahi-daemon to extras-devel a few days ago |
| 20:19.39 | AbstractW | mgedmin: Does Mono even run on arm processors yet? |
| 20:19.41 | Jaffa | garage websites down? |
| 20:19.44 | konttori | RST38h: what's that bug? I've never heard of it, let alone experienced it |
| 20:19.48 | hrw | cosmo: my module player. but it require gstmodplug also installed and there is no package with it |
| 20:19.52 | hrw | AbstractW: it does fine |
| 20:19.53 | Jaffa | AbstractW: there was a Maemo 4 port |
| 20:20.07 | mgedmin | Roaziel, possible, but unlikely, IMHO |
| 20:20.20 | Roaziel | dang |
| 20:20.23 | mgedmin | AbstractW, miguel blogged a screenshot of it running on a N8x0 a while ago |
| 20:20.46 | konttori | But hey, then again, I'm using currently the firmware of the one after the one after the one you will receive next (well, a dev version of it, but still), so it might as well have been fixed early on ;) |
| 20:20.55 | jon1012 | anyone in lyon, lisbon or paris here ? |
| 20:20.58 | mgedmin | Roaziel, 100% sure but tedious way: reflash, it'll restore everything to factory defaults (including remove your data and settings) |
| 20:21.17 | Roaziel | ... yikes. Id rather avoid that... |
| 20:21.23 | konttori | ups, skip one of those ones ;) |
| 20:21.24 | mgedmin | Roaziel, a not-so-quick-and-sure way: report a bug on bugs.maemo.org, help developers figure it out, wait until they fix it |
| 20:21.34 | AbstractW | mgedmin: Well, with more processor on the N900, I'm sure we'll see it running on there too. :) |
| 20:21.36 | tbf | AbstractW: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/mono-runtime/download |
| 20:21.43 | tbf | AbstractW: should be a no brainer |
| 20:21.46 | AbstractW | I really look forward to that. |
| 20:21.51 | _berto_ | jon1012: lyon, lisbon or paris? i'm curious about what you're looking for :) |
| 20:21.58 | Roaziel | lol... and how long could that take? :P |
| 20:22.16 | mgedmin | Roaziel, regarding the loss of data & settings, there's the builtin backup/restore app |
| 20:22.32 | hrw | -> sleep |
| 20:22.51 | jon1012 | _berto_: I'm making a n900 client app for my network of collaborative city guides :) |
| 20:23.07 | jon1012 | _berto_: and right now, there are only websites in paris, lyon and lisboa :) |
| 20:23.15 | Roaziel | how hard is it reflash it?.... I'm a complete n00b at this :P |
| 20:23.21 | mgedmin | the bug fix? weeks/months, but developers *might* find a way to work around the faulty data and make your calendar app work again sooner |
| 20:23.31 | mgedmin | infobot, reflashing? |
| 20:23.35 | jon1012 | Roaziel: a matter of two downloads, and one command :) |
| 20:23.35 | RST38h | konttori: bug #5321 |
| 20:23.36 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5321 Annoying "connection lost/established" banners |
| 20:23.37 | mgedmin | um, is there a trigger? |
| 20:23.39 | _berto_ | jon1012: ah :) I'm not in any of those cities, sorry |
| 20:24.01 | mgedmin | Roaziel, it's documented at http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing |
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| 20:24.21 | konttori | I never have bad connection. We have no bad connection areas in Helsinki |
| 20:24.23 | Roaziel | wow, sounds almost too simple :P |
| 20:24.29 | mgedmin | it's not complicated |
| 20:24.35 | mgedmin | just tedious |
| 20:24.37 | RST38h | konttori: well... mm... you know |
| 20:24.38 | konttori | anyway, the bug comments that it's fixed in harmattan ;) |
| 20:24.59 | RST38h | konttori: can it be somehow fixed in fremantle as well? |
| 20:25.07 | konttori | fixed in the update after the next that you will get ;) |
| 20:25.10 | RST38h | because it is annoying like hell |
| 20:25.16 | RST38h | ah thanks =) |
| 20:25.36 | tbf | konttori: ETA? |
| 20:25.52 | mgedmin | ooh, re bug #5321, I never realized it also plays a sound |
| 20:25.57 | wazd_n801 | konttori, btw |
| 20:25.57 | mgedmin | I keep my n900 in silent mode always |
| 20:26.04 | konttori | so, next update (hopefully very soon), is a small one and only fixes HAM. But soonish after that you'll get the first proper update and that should have the fixe for 5321 |
| 20:26.07 | wazd_n801 | konttori, since yo 're here) |
| 20:26.20 | mgedmin | notification banner is ignorable, sound effects would be unbearable |
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| 20:26.35 | RST38h | moos triumfantly |
| 20:26.36 | konttori | disable system sounds - > solved |
| 20:26.41 | wazd_n801 | konttori, TM stucks at 1% in Vista again) |
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| 20:27.19 | konttori | wazd_n801: do you have 64 bit windows? |
| 20:27.32 | wazd_n801 | konttori, yep |
| 20:27.37 | joppu | Any guestimate when autobuider stops being gay. eg. doesn't timeout every time? |
| 20:27.55 | konttori | hmm... could be that it requires more mem for the java vm. |
| 20:28.03 | RST38h | joppu: that is not gay, that is dead |
| 20:28.10 | konttori | wazd_n801: does it show any errors in the command prompt? |
| 20:28.18 | konttori | (you have opened it with the bat file, right?) |
| 20:28.40 | Klowner | I'm afraid to touch my N900 until I slap an invisible shield on it, it's just sitting on the table, taunting me |
| 20:29.06 | w00t | Klowner: it's good at cleaning up, so if that is your worry it's ok |
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| 20:29.32 | Myrtti | joppu: have some respect for gay people :-< |
| 20:29.49 | mgedmin | cleaning doesn't remove scratches ... |
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| 20:29.58 | mgedmin | agrees with Myrtti |
| 20:30.00 | Stskeeps | joppu: server upgrades :/ |
| 20:30.01 | Myrtti | comparing them with autobuilder is not nice :-D |
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| 20:30.12 | Klowner | I doubt I'd scratch it, though I'd have to clean my dirty finger oil off it |
| 20:30.15 | ifreq | Klowner: do you have sharp fingers or what? |
| 20:30.26 | mgedmin | n900 *loooooves* fingerprints |
| 20:30.27 | ifreq | puts on tinfoil hat too |
| 20:30.30 | Klowner | well no |
| 20:30.30 | RST38h | Speaking of scratches, how does one remove tiny scratches on the touchscreen? |
| 20:30.33 | crashanddie | finger oil? |
| 20:30.49 | mgedmin | started wondering what tinfs were and how you pressed oil out of them |
| 20:30.53 | joppu | And whose bright idea was to remove the category user/themes from extras? |
| 20:31.02 | konttori | I have been using my n900 so freakin' lot that I can say for sure that it handles rough use. |
| 20:31.03 | konttori | It |
| 20:31.03 | konttori | s |
| 20:31.03 | konttori | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.04 | konttori | a |
| 20:31.04 | Klowner | my invisible shield should arrive within a couple days |
| 20:31.04 | konttori | |
| 20:31.09 | RST38h | joppu: was not there to begin with? |
| 20:31.28 | derf | joppu: The same person who thought it was a bright idea to remove user/tools? |
| 20:31.30 | ifreq | Klowner: so before invi shield no usage? :P |
| 20:31.31 | joppu | RST38h: was in OS2008 |
| 20:31.32 | RST38h | konttori: I have got long vertical scratches where I usually touch it with my fingers to scroll |
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| 20:31.39 | konttori | It's also my babys toy which she is slamming against random objects and dropping to floor from heights all the thime |
| 20:31.45 | RST38h | joppu: OS2008 allowed any category you could think of |
| 20:31.58 | konttori | RST38h: use a cleaning cloth every once in a while? |
| 20:32.01 | Stskeeps | RST38h: did you clean with the cloth? |
| 20:32.14 | RST38h | konttori: cannot "clean" them, they are scratches |
| 20:32.17 | Klowner | ifreq: well, I've been using it, but very carefully and only using the stylus :) |
| 20:32.17 | RST38h | Sts: yes |
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| 20:32.31 | konttori | RST38h: you use fingernails? Or pen? |
| 20:32.34 | wazd_n801 | konttori, can't test it right now, but I've been running it with an old bat and it didn't work |
| 20:32.36 | RST38h | konttori: fingernails |
| 20:32.47 | joppu | apologizes to Stskeeps |
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| 20:33.00 | mtnbkr_ | Klowner: heh it took me almost 4 days before I knew my N900 even HAD a stylus! lol |
| 20:33.02 | Stskeeps | joppu: .. because of what? |
| 20:33.02 | konttori | RST38h: hmm... perhaps they are made of diamond-like substance? |
| 20:33.07 | Klowner | mtnbkr_: heheh |
| 20:33.09 | mgedmin | :) |
| 20:33.21 | RST38h | konttori: regular, afaik, at least they do not withstand clippers |
| 20:33.24 | joppu | nothing |
| 20:33.43 | joppu | I was apologizin for Myrtti :( |
| 20:33.59 | RST38h | konttori: to be completley fair, whatever that transparent stuff is, it makes its best to hide scratches |
| 20:34.13 | RST38h | konttori: only visible in direct luminiscent lighting |
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| 20:37.56 | pekuja | where could I find information on adding a new share destination for the photo application? |
| 20:38.11 | pekuja | I would like to be able to publish photos directly to my own website. |
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| 20:39.53 | timeless_mbp | pekuja: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_api_documentation/ ? |
| 20:39.53 | SpeedEvil | pekuja++ |
| 20:40.03 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libsharing-plugin/ |
| 20:40.16 | timeless_mbp | pekuja: please add 'share via scp' |
| 20:40.21 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: thanks |
| 20:40.26 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: hmm, scp would be nice |
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| 20:40.30 | timeless_mbp | really really wants share via scp |
| 20:40.36 | ShadowJK | bah, I just changed to a new durasec cleartec. The instructions recommended using a CC for applying it. It left about as many scratches as I had before :-) |
| 20:40.42 | ShadowJK | just in other places |
| 20:41.00 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: would probably pretty much solve my use case too, unless I want more metadata than I can store inside the picture itself |
| 20:41.14 | timeless_mbp | pekuja: =) |
| 20:41.17 | pekuja | timeless_mbp: I'll let you know if I end up doing that. ;-) |
| 20:41.22 | timeless_mbp | pekuja: i'll gladly help test if you do it :) |
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| 20:41.30 | ShadowJK | share via scp would be awesome |
| 20:41.35 | timeless_mbp | although, i demand that you provide sources, i'm not giving you my credentials |
| 20:41.43 | pekuja | strange that nobody's done it so far |
| 20:41.49 | timeless_mbp | ETOOBUSY |
| 20:41.55 | pekuja | I suppose so |
| 20:42.16 | pekuja | yeah I'm fine with providing source |
| 20:42.24 | pekuja | would SFTP do instead of scp, by the way? |
| 20:42.31 | ShadowJK | RST38h, replacement touch window is only 55E (plus installation) :-) |
| 20:42.56 | pekuja | I think SFTP works in more places than scp, or was that the other way around? |
| 20:43.07 | ShadowJK | I think it's other way around |
| 20:43.11 | pekuja | hmm |
| 20:43.30 | ifreq | scp works in more places than sftp |
| 20:43.31 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Won't arrive here in the next 3-4 months most likely |
| 20:43.39 | RST38h | ShadowJK: But it is still good to know of course |
| 20:46.38 | ShadowJK | system("scp user@server /tmp/image.jpg public_html/images/"); ;D |
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| 20:52.14 | jebba | ShadowJK: a friend of mine has and recommends highly one of these: http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php |
| 20:52.33 | ShadowJK | I heard they had very high surface friction |
| 20:53.22 | Klowner | ShadowJK: I'm getting one, I'll let ya know what I think in a couple days |
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| 20:53.43 | Klowner | I've heard wildly differing opinions regarding surface friction |
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| 20:54.35 | ShadowJK | the only good thing about durasec cleartec is that they're cheap, you get 5 of them |
| 20:54.56 | ShadowJK | but scrolling around in the browser and similar scratches them |
| 20:55.30 | Klowner | invisible shield things claim to be self healing |
| 20:55.43 | Klowner | though that's also why they're a little rubbery |
| 20:56.25 | Klowner | I figure once I make a few calls and get it saturated with face oil it'll be plenty slippery |
| 20:58.47 | mgedmin | would like to have a full-body sleeve for the n900 |
| 20:58.55 | mgedmin | oh, and ssh-askpass for maemo |
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| 21:06.22 | el_zilcho | Is anyone else having an issue of media player not recognizing artist/title/album tracks for at least half of your music collection? wondering if maybe its only supporting id3 and not id3v2 or something to that extent |
| 21:06.29 | jebba | promoted, but not in extras-testing yet (not sure how long that takes, i just did it a minute ago). But this is a good game i ported over that's in extras-devel right now :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/burgerspace/1.8.3-10/ |
| 21:06.33 | el_zilcho | found minimal posts about the issue |
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| 21:10.01 | el_zilcho | the tracks are there and playable... they just all come up as (unknown album) (unknown artist) |
| 21:10.08 | el_zilcho | ogg support installed |
| 21:10.10 | el_zilcho | and they are flac files |
| 21:12.30 | FiSHBoY | yeah, flac file tag info doesn't work in the media player, because flac files generally do not use id3, I think I saw that they generally use the ogg tag system, or some such thing, and the media library doesn't support those |
| 21:12.44 | el_zilcho | hmm |
| 21:12.51 | el_zilcho | i'll try hitting it with ex falso then |
| 21:13.04 | el_zilcho | because some do actually work |
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| 21:13.12 | FiSHBoY | some may have id3 tags |
| 21:13.15 | el_zilcho | yeah |
| 21:13.30 | MuJ | http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html#general__no_cuesheet_tags |
| 21:14.23 | el_zilcho | oh, maybe i have .cue/log stuff in those particular albums |
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| 21:15.03 | Corsac | el_zilcho: btw is the media player able to get album covers by itself? |
| 21:15.36 | el_zilcho | well, these are all showing no cover, so the thought is no |
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| 21:16.51 | el_zilcho | i dunno which way it turned out, but i thought someone said that it reads embedded cover data and not jpegs in the folder |
| 21:17.14 | FiSHBoY | yeah, it does read embedded album art |
| 21:17.26 | FiSHBoY | I have some mp3s from Amazon, and they embed cover art, and those show up |
| 21:17.30 | el_zilcho | which is also not going to happen for me |
| 21:17.37 | el_zilcho | if i embed cover art, i can't continue seeding |
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| 21:28.51 | jon1012 | is there a way to see all new apps for maemo ? |
| 21:29.33 | Anupras | jon1012 |
| 21:29.36 | el_zilcho | update your repos and view all? |
| 21:29.41 | Anupras | it's possibleto seepublished apps |
| 21:29.41 | Anupras | if in n900 case |
| 21:29.44 | el_zilcho | it will show everything though |
| 21:29.53 | el_zilcho | hmm |
| 21:29.59 | Anupras | application manager shows |
| 21:30.10 | jon1012 | Anupras: where ? |
| 21:30.20 | Anupras | open menu in n900 |
| 21:30.24 | Anupras | press more |
| 21:30.28 | Anupras | and application manager |
| 21:30.52 | Anupras | and there download |
| 21:31.12 | Anupras | and you can select one of directories or just press all |
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| 21:31.27 | jon1012 | Anupras: I know... but how to see only last ones ? |
| 21:31.32 | jon1012 | I mean newer ones ? |
| 21:31.33 | jaem | jon1012, there was some discussion months ago about adding a "new apps" feed from maemo.org Downloads to the App Manager, but I guess it didn't make it |
| 21:31.35 | Anupras | hmm |
| 21:31.43 | Anupras | then it's better to check it on website |
| 21:31.45 | Anupras | maemo.org |
| 21:31.49 | jon1012 | jaem: oh ok... that would be a cool feature though |
| 21:31.58 | jaem | jon1012, agreed, but it probably wasn't a priority |
| 21:32.29 | el_zilcho | i guess you could really just browse here where the apps are listed by what's new right? |
| 21:32.29 | jaem | I like Linux package management, but most implementations could be presented in a more discoverable/pretty way |
| 21:32.32 | el_zilcho | http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/Maemo5/25 |
| 21:32.42 | el_zilcho | there are install links on them all |
| 21:32.59 | jaem | jon1012, for example, what Ubuntu is doing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter |
| 21:33.11 | GAN900 | Patches welcome! |
| 21:33.15 | jaem | something like that on a smaller scale would be good for Maemo, methinks |
| 21:33.23 | el_zilcho | sorted by the last update |
| 21:33.30 | jaem | GAN900, forgot HAM was FOSS |
| 21:33.32 | jaem | heh |
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| 21:34.10 | jon1012 | jebba: burger takes space on root partition ? |
| 21:34.36 | jebba | jon1012: no, is optified |
| 21:35.36 | jon1012 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.42 | jon1012 | jebba: ok |
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| 21:36.41 | jebba | strange? |
| 21:37.04 | jebba | it puts the files in /opt. That is how packages are supposed to be installed on N900 |
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| 21:37.52 | jon1012 | yeah I know |
| 21:38.08 | jon1012 | but I got less space on the drive after installing it, that's why I said strange |
| 21:39.19 | jon1012 | I guess it's the apt cache or somthing then |
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| 21:39.45 | jebba | ah ya, apt cache will do it. |
| 21:39.51 | jebba | and it will add to the icon-cache, but nothing i can do abotu that |
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| 21:40.11 | jebba | you can `dpkg -L burgerspace` to see what files were installed. jon1012 |
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| 21:50.53 | Milo- | hey has anyone figured out how to flash the camera light? (or how to turn it on and off?) |
| 21:50.56 | Milo- | jebba maybe? |
| 21:51.57 | ShadowJK | wasn't there an app for it |
| 21:52.15 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:52.27 | AbstractW | mmm pocket strobe. |
| 21:52.30 | lcuk | theres a few apps which use it |
| 21:52.40 | lcuk | but they still lack the ui to do it cleanly |
| 21:52.45 | Milo- | trying to find a flashlight app |
| 21:52.53 | Milo- | there is torch application |
| 21:52.56 | Milo- | but that just uses the screen |
| 21:53.05 | Milo- | which isn't that bright compared to the led |
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| 21:53.57 | jebba | Milo-: dunno, but would be interesting |
| 21:54.15 | Milo- | I kind of wanted to cause deaths and strokes with my phone :( |
| 21:54.28 | ShadowJK | you could probably not run it for any lengths of time at the same brightness as flash anyway |
| 21:54.33 | jebba | Milo-: if you can get control of this, you win: V4L2_CID_INDICATOR_INTENSITY |
| 21:54.46 | jebba | i think |
| 21:55.02 | jebba | "theoretically" can be controlled via v4l2 (video4linux2) |
| 21:55.21 | AbstractW | Anyone recompiled the kernel for their N900 yet? :P |
| 21:55.23 | jebba | so a program that can send arbitrary v4l2 could do it, or perhaps dbus |
| 21:55.26 | jon1012 | jebba: how to go up the stairs in burger ? :) |
| 21:55.27 | jebba | AbstractW: yes |
| 21:55.31 | Milo- | weirdly, googling that results in a user:Jebba -page :P |
| 21:55.50 | jebba | AbstractW: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/dsc_0325.jpg |
| 21:56.03 | AbstractW | very cool. |
| 21:56.08 | jebba | AbstractW: see: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Installing_my_custom_kernel |
| 21:56.15 | Milo- | jebba nice :D |
| 21:56.24 | Milo- | but your kernel is slow |
| 21:56.32 | Milo- | my laptop does it in 1.1 seconds! |
| 21:56.42 | Milo- | and weirdly, this phone seems to have more juice than my laptop :P |
| 21:57.17 | jebba | (think i missed the joke, but it seems to run the same speed as regular kernel) |
| 21:57.37 | eitreach | try installing Synaptic on it - god it's slow. :p |
| 21:57.55 | AbstractW | jebba: You should list what you needed to actually fully compile your kernel :) |
| 21:57.59 | Milo- | jebba you haven't ever actually built a linux kernel before? |
| 21:58.40 | jebba | Milo-: huh? |
| 21:58.55 | jebba | AbstractW: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Compile_custom_kernel |
| 21:59.00 | Milo- | not a maemo kernel |
| 21:59.15 | AbstractW | Ah, I missed it. Just didn't scroll down far enough. |
| 21:59.18 | jebba | though i'm actually building it a bit different now, that way works. |
| 21:59.30 | jebba | Milo-: i've compiled hundreds of kernels. |
| 21:59.39 | AbstractW | does make menu-config work? |
| 21:59.42 | Milo- | ah okay then I don't see how you missed the joke |
| 21:59.50 | Milo- | make menuconfig, you mean? |
| 21:59.58 | AbstractW | yeah. |
| 22:00.02 | AbstractW | Sorry, its been many, many years. |
| 22:00.03 | jebba | ARCH=arm make menuconfig |
| 22:00.19 | jebba | ARCH=arm make rx51_defconfig |
| 22:00.33 | jebba | do those in reverse order that i wrote them there ;) |
| 22:00.34 | AbstractW | Heh, have the N900 recompile its own kernel, for added fun :) |
| 22:00.43 | Milo- | yes! |
| 22:00.47 | Milo- | We want gcc! |
| 22:01.06 | lcuk | maemo sdk repository |
| 22:01.06 | AbstractW | I have no doubt it'd take many, many hours. |
| 22:01.08 | lcuk | thats easy |
| 22:01.15 | lcuk | uses it everyday |
| 22:01.19 | Milo- | looked at extras-testing and found light httpd |
| 22:01.21 | lcuk | apt-get install build-essential does most |
| 22:01.23 | AbstractW | gcc on the n900? |
| 22:01.26 | lcuk | hell yeah |
| 22:01.29 | AbstractW | sweet. |
| 22:01.33 | lcuk | nods |
| 22:01.39 | AbstractW | It really is a full blown linux install. |
| 22:01.40 | Milo- | have you ever wanted to have a web-server in your pocket? |
| 22:01.43 | Milo- | well now it is possible! |
| 22:01.47 | lcuk | its got oddities |
| 22:01.53 | lcuk | mer is better for complete building |
| 22:01.53 | AbstractW | Milo-: Thats what garage.maemo.org runs on! |
| 22:02.00 | ifreq | i found torrent client odd on a phone but well.. :P |
| 22:02.09 | Milo- | my old e71 had wlan-access point application |
| 22:02.15 | AbstractW | torrent client on a phone, is good to abuse TMobile or ATT's network :) |
| 22:02.18 | Milo- | turned the internet connection from my phone service provider into a wlan access point :D |
| 22:02.22 | lcuk | ifreq, not odd if you consider thats where you want the media |
| 22:02.23 | AbstractW | I use one on my iphone, just to piss off ATT. |
| 22:02.24 | ml-maemo | completes the "system admin via N900" achievement |
| 22:02.33 | lcuk | and not odd if its just a computer |
| 22:02.34 | Milo- | so now I can have wlan connection AND http-server in two pockets! |
| 22:02.48 | lcuk | adhoc wifi ftw |
| 22:03.15 | AbstractW | My iphone runs a debian torrent, 24 hours a day. |
| 22:03.26 | AbstractW | And each time it fully downloads the ISO, it starts over. |
| 22:03.31 | AbstractW | Just because :) |
| 22:03.43 | pwnguin | AbstractW: so you're the reason at&t sucks in SF :P |
| 22:03.43 | lcuk | doesnt it stop running if you get a call? |
| 22:03.49 | cehteh | ap mode would be cool .. next time on the lug meeting the n900 could do the networking for the whole group |
| 22:03.54 | jebba | i wish, i have to prepay data and burn thru it *real* quick... |
| 22:03.59 | AbstractW | lcuk: Yeah, I have two buttons to pause and resume it on my home screen. |
| 22:04.04 | lcuk | cehteh, yeah but its good enough at adhoc |
| 22:04.12 | AbstractW | pwnguin: No, I'm not in SF, I'm in the Midwest :) |
| 22:04.13 | jebba | cehteh: needs NAT module which isn't supported by stock kernel, not even if you build the modules, unfortunately |
| 22:04.27 | cehteh | huh why not? |
| 22:04.30 | lcuk | plus, some hotels you can get on the AP and do local connections |
| 22:04.31 | Milo- | Could it please be friday already :( |
| 22:04.37 | AbstractW | I wish. |
| 22:04.46 | jebba | see this: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 22:04.46 | Milo- | friday is the last day of school |
| 22:04.47 | AbstractW | Get to see the girlfriend on friday. |
| 22:04.55 | Milo- | and then I can start reading the developer's guide |
| 22:04.58 | cehteh | doesnt need nat anyways, proxy ftw |
| 22:05.08 | jebba | cehteh: see this, re: NAT http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/TESTS/modprobe-test.log |
| 22:05.17 | AbstractW | Milo-: It'll take about 10 minutes for that page to load. |
| 22:05.23 | jebba | ya, can proxy, not NAT, true. |
| 22:05.26 | Milo- | AbstractW :C |
| 22:05.30 | jebba | not sure what you'd run for that. Squid? heh. |
| 22:05.31 | Milo- | so I need to start loading the pages, today. |
| 22:05.43 | AbstractW | Garage is running off your litehttpd, on a n900 :P |
| 22:05.46 | cehteh | jebba: i rather wonder .. nat should be supported by stock kernel |
| 22:05.57 | jebba | cehteh: ya, would be nice.... |
| 22:05.58 | Milo- | AbstractW 'just because they can'? |
| 22:06.06 | cehteh | AbstractW: nah its a cluster of unused n700'S |
| 22:06.10 | AbstractW | Milo-: No, because they want to piss off the community. |
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| 22:06.20 | Milo- | :D |
| 22:06.28 | Milo- | so that is 'because they can' |
| 22:06.28 | AbstractW | Stifle application development. |
| 22:06.29 | AbstractW | :P |
| 22:06.34 | Milo- | well, obviously, can't. |
| 22:06.48 | jon1012 | Milo-: "flashlight" in extras-devel no ? |
| 22:07.00 | cehteh | yes |
| 22:07.01 | Milo- | jon1012 ah, devel |
| 22:07.05 | AbstractW | I wish my N900 would ship..... >< |
| 22:07.19 | Milo- | don't have devel repository added |
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| 22:07.19 | lcuk | liqtorch in testing is lazy |
| 22:07.20 | lcuk | but works on n8x0 too |
| 22:07.34 | Milo- | lcuk but liqtorch uses screen, not camera led |
| 22:07.39 | Milo- | devel seems like a bad place to download stuff from |
| 22:07.52 | lcuk | stuff thats in development |
| 22:07.59 | lcuk | Milo-, yeah |
| 22:08.02 | Milo- | yes |
| 22:08.08 | Milo- | but they seem to go to rootfs |
| 22:08.10 | lcuk | it uses screen, because the ui for the leds isnt right |
| 22:08.10 | Milo- | which is bad mkay |
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| 22:08.21 | lcuk | just how would you handle it |
| 22:09.11 | Milo- | don't care |
| 22:09.11 | Milo- | :P |
| 22:09.11 | Milo- | users don't matter |
| 22:09.12 | AbstractW | needs more ruby on rails running on n900 :) |
| 22:09.14 | pwnguin | lcuk: maybe prevent the camera app from running on cover sliding |
| 22:09.22 | jon1012 | got turbogears 2 apps working on its n900 :D |
| 22:09.24 | lcuk | o_O really |
| 22:09.37 | lcuk | pwnguin, but what if i want the camera |
| 22:09.55 | pupnik | what? |
| 22:10.07 | pupnik | jon1012: what iz dat |
| 22:10.11 | pwnguin | lcuk: perhaps disable it only while the "flashlight app" is running |
| 22:10.33 | lcuk | pwnguin, i want torches on when recording video |
| 22:10.36 | pwnguin | lcuk: you're nuts |
| 22:10.41 | lcuk | or when setting up for other shots |
| 22:10.51 | pwnguin | and the status quo is no better |
| 22:11.00 | jon1012 | pupnik: python web framework :) (like ruby on rails but on python and 100x time better ;)) |
| 22:11.07 | pwnguin | the LEDs can be driven at flash for a half second tops |
| 22:11.35 | pupnik | are they brighter than the screen? |
| 22:11.59 | pupnik | terminal works fine for flashlight here |
| 22:12.06 | pwnguin | the flash is mega bright |
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| 22:12.23 | lcuk | hence pwnguin why i have an app in extras for a torch that works and isnt based on leds |
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| 22:12.39 | pwnguin | lcuk: im calling liqtorch the status quo |
| 22:12.41 | lcuk | its a complex problem to use the leds for most cases |
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| 22:13.00 | pwnguin | you could modify the camera app to offer a flashlight |
| 22:13.16 | lcuk | but that problem can be solved with 1 torch icon within the camera app itself |
| 22:13.16 | lcuk | yes |
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| 22:13.45 | pwnguin | checks for source availablity of camera app |
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| 22:15.10 | Arkenoi | any ideas what can i purge on / filesystem? |
| 22:15.36 | AbstractW | Arkenoi: the always helpful rm -rf / :) |
| 22:15.38 | AbstractW | purge! :P |
| 22:15.41 | lcuk | theres some sort of usr folder |
| 22:15.47 | lcuk | that doesnt do anything, just get rid of it |
| 22:15.56 | pwnguin | is conffiles: a standard debian control field? |
| 22:16.05 | AbstractW | Oh, you meant purge files that wouldn't affect the system :) |
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| 22:16.29 | Arkenoi | got 95% full. for no apparent reason - just yesterday it was just 80% |
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| 22:26.41 | Milo- | readline is probably not supported for maemo? |
| 22:26.59 | Milo- | as in readline/readline.h |
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| 22:29.29 | lcuk | Milo-, which version :) |
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| 22:29.53 | lcuk | with maemo, its generally not "blah is not supported" its "has anyone ported it yet" |
| 22:30.12 | Milo- | well, I only talk about maemo5 |
| 22:30.27 | Milo- | and latest readline is from may 2008 |
| 22:30.33 | lcuk | so was i, libreadline 4 and 5 are available |
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| 22:31.08 | Milo- | BUGS |
| 22:31.08 | Milo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.16 | Milo- | love that comment |
| 22:31.30 | Milo- | actually I was more wondering if ash supported it |
| 22:32.09 | Milo- | basic IO in bash seems to come directly from readline.h |
| 22:32.11 | lcuk | get a device and find otu |
| 22:32.16 | Milo- | I got one |
| 22:32.25 | lcuk | or build the system you need |
| 22:32.27 | Arkenoi | well, so what are primary candidates for freeing disk space on / ? |
| 22:32.31 | lcuk | beds anyway |
| 22:32.31 | Milo- | but all the default bindings are missing |
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| 22:32.55 | Milo- | Arkenoi reboot takes off some caches |
| 22:34.03 | Milo- | no idea why some caches are stored in / but never the less. |
| 22:34.46 | crashanddie | Arkenoi: do you use apt-get? |
| 22:35.15 | Milo- | crashanddie isn't the gui for software installations just a frontend to apt? |
| 22:35.36 | crashanddie | no |
| 22:35.42 | Milo- | oh |
| 22:36.07 | crashanddie | when you use command line apt-get, it doesn't remove the .debs it downloaded |
| 22:36.14 | crashanddie | so you need to clean out /var/apt/cache |
| 22:36.16 | crashanddie | or something like that |
| 22:36.22 | Milo- | btw, I want to keep the device's langauge 'English', but the date settings the way we Finns love to see the date, but when I change device to English, it won't let me touch the date-setting |
| 22:36.38 | crashanddie | file a bug |
| 22:37.06 | Milo- | ahh, /var/ isn't its own partition |
| 22:37.12 | Milo- | I expected it to be |
| 22:37.46 | granden | Is there any app, for screen recording? |
| 22:38.38 | AbstractW | granden: VNC |
| 22:38.58 | granden | And then record on my computer? |
| 22:39.01 | granden | Or what |
| 22:39.02 | AbstractW | granden: VNC server on the N900, then VNC client on any machine that you can use to record. |
| 22:39.09 | granden | Hmm |
| 22:39.16 | AbstractW | May not get you fluid video, but it'll be close. |
| 22:39.47 | lcuk | vnc2swf is something to mention here |
| 22:40.14 | Milo- | crashanddie not sure if it's a bug though |
| 22:40.26 | crashanddie | Milo-: it's an enhancement request |
| 22:40.40 | Milo- | the date format isn't allowed to be changed in any language |
| 22:41.24 | Milo- | whoops, I always press 'skip' accidentally when it prompts my pin-code :P |
| 22:42.23 | jon1012 | what is the command name for the phone app ? |
| 22:42.34 | jon1012 | (I want to launch a call from api or command call) |
| 22:42.43 | Milo- | you use dbus to launch it |
| 22:42.49 | Milo- | wiki user:jebba |
| 22:42.52 | jon1012 | is there an example ? |
| 22:42.56 | Milo- | yes |
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| 22:43.06 | Milo- | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba under dbus |
| 22:44.08 | Arkenoi | crashanddie, sometimes |
| 22:44.17 | jon1012 | great thanks |
| 22:44.24 | crashanddie | Arkenoi: then clean up your /var/apt/cache folder -- it contains old .deb files |
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| 22:46.17 | pupnik | it feels so good to browse web in links /console. just the data... |
| 22:50.42 | Corsac | Khertan: did you try to use freeplayer from your n900? |
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| 22:53.53 | Milo- | tekojo is going to hold a maemo+Qt course, but maemo.org only talks aboug gtk :/ |
| 22:54.12 | acidjazz | hai |
| 22:54.46 | jon1012 | strange, when I try to call it from python I get "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "CreateWith" with signature "s" on interface "com.nokia.csd.Call" doesn't exist" |
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| 23:04.22 | jon1012 | nevermind, found out :) |
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| 23:06.41 | lcuk | timeless, whats your favorite app on the n900 so far (not work related tho :p) |
| 23:07.53 | ifreq | isnt vim top app for ages? :/ |
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| 23:08.06 | lcuk | possibly is |
| 23:08.13 | ifreq | <3 |
| 23:08.24 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: i don't use many apps... |
| 23:08.48 | lcuk | why, whats missing, what would you use if it was there? |
| 23:09.24 | ifreq | anyone remember this https://synthesize.us/Maemo_themes/LCARS_complete from 770/possib 810 too? |
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| 23:10.15 | jon1012 | updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control with a python example |
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| 23:10.24 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: thing is... i don't need much |
| 23:10.46 | Proteous | complete google voice integration |
| 23:10.58 | Proteous | seamless I should say |
| 23:12.06 | lcuk | i would personally like to use translation services to at least try talking with people from other countries live |
| 23:12.44 | lcuk | timeless, bah! then |
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| 23:15.08 | Laiska | Hmmm, have you guys transferred files (music / video) from PC to N900 via scp? First time I transferred music to ~/MyDocs/.music it seemed that the media player was unable to find the files..and now it works like a charm |
| 23:15.09 | Laiska | sunspots or the position of the moon or is there a real trick to this? |
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| 23:15.33 | timeless_mbp | Laiska: tracker takes time before it finds stuff |
| 23:15.34 | Laiska | timeless_mbp: Hmm okay, any way to force it (besides reboot)? |
| 23:15.34 | timeless_mbp | and until it finds stuff, the media player won't show it |
| 23:15.37 | ifreq | Laiska: your name really suits u |
| 23:15.38 | ifreq | :) |
| 23:15.44 | ifreq | think you chose it on purpose |
| 23:15.45 | ifreq | *g* |
| 23:16.02 | Laiska | ifreq: Aight :) |
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| 23:17.20 | ifreq | anyways think there was some cmd line option to reindex (having hard time to find it atm) |
| 23:17.40 | crashanddie | best quote ever |
| 23:17.42 | Laiska | Oh and a brainfart in my comment, s/.music/.sounds |
| 23:18.20 | ifreq | crashanddie: aye :) missing the right search words atm .. and well 1:20 AM |
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| 23:18.27 | crashanddie | Company lawyer storms out of the CTO office, yelling: "This is the only god damn software company where people don't know what a frigging EULA is" |
| 23:18.49 | Anidel | hi guys |
| 23:18.51 | MuJ | eep |
| 23:19.02 | Anidel | is here a GTK expert? |
| 23:19.10 | Anidel | that knows about GTK UI Manager? |
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| 23:20.13 | Laiska | ifreq: Ok, google I must. Not a big problem per se, but when uploading music in ahurry it would be apprciated if they were usable right away |
| 23:20.19 | ifreq | Laiska: Run tracker-processes -r as user in an xterm if youre in a hurry |
| 23:20.23 | ifreq | thats the cmd line option :P |
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| 23:20.42 | Creteil | hi all |
| 23:20.44 | Laiska | hands a virtual banana to ifreq |
| 23:22.04 | Laiska | cheers mate |
| 23:22.04 | ifreq | dunno how often indexing is done without. tho i dont need instant access to new music :) |
| 23:22.04 | ifreq | np |
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| 23:22.36 | Creteil | I'm running openvpn + openvpn-gui under my N900, all seem to work in terms of connections, btw I can't disconnect ... any idea ? |
| 23:22.36 | Guest66573 | thwaps Laiska with a large trout |
| 23:22.45 | Laiska | mord: narf |
| 23:22.45 | Laiska | :D |
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| 23:24.23 | johnsu01 | hm, what's openvpn-gui? |
| 23:24.23 | mord | hrmhrm |
| 23:24.40 | johnsu01 | openvpn worked fine from the shell for me but the applet package didn't seem to do anything |
| 23:25.47 | range | johnsu01: You can reach the applet via the dropdown menu you can reach when touching the status area (where the battery is). |
| 23:25.54 | Creteil | johnsu01: on my side the applet work for connecting, but the disconnect doesn't work (I have to killall openvpn) ... |
| 23:26.05 | range | And here both work :) |
| 23:26.24 | johnsu01 | range: Yeah, the applet didn't add anything there for me. Maybe I need to restart. |
| 23:26.42 | jon1012 | what is the default lock code on n900 ? |
| 23:26.50 | jon1012 | I want to activate lock but it asks me the current lock code |
| 23:26.53 | Creteil | range: can you give me the rights you have to the /etc/openvpn directory (wherever you put your vpn configs) ... |
| 23:26.59 | range | 12345 as with most nokias. |
| 23:27.09 | jon1012 | thanks |
| 23:27.19 | jon1012 | (it's not in the printed docs unfortunately) |
| 23:27.51 | Creteil | range: can you give me the rights you have to the /etc/openvpn directory (wherever you put your vpn configs) ... |
| 23:28.12 | range | root:root 755 |
| 23:28.52 | jon1012 | Creteil: I see you're in france, want to beta test an app for paris n900 owners ? |
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| 23:29.09 | wolf^ | should qt applications do libosso initialization and cleanup? |
| 23:29.16 | Creteil | jon1012: depending on what the application do, why not ? |
| 23:29.48 | jon1012 | Creteil: it's basically the mobile version of http://www.parisenvies.com a site about bars and restaurants :) |
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| 23:30.37 | jon1012 | that letsyou ask for example "find me a japanese restaurant near here with a romantic ambiance that is not too expensive" |
| 23:30.41 | jon1012 | :) |
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| 23:32.31 | Creteil | jon1012: bof ... je suis casannier :-) |
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| 23:32.32 | range | Is there already a bug report open regarding the E-Mail client's use of localized "Re:" versions? |
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| 23:32.53 | wolf^ | range, yes, and it's reported to be fixed |
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| 23:32.54 | Creteil | range: is there a way to see a debug output of openvpn-applet to see why it doesn't disconnect my vpn's ? |
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| 23:32.54 | range | wolf^: Do you have a bug number? |
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| 23:33.19 | range | Creteil: Yes. Under "manage connections" you can test connections. |
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| 23:33.30 | wolf^ | range, 6541 |
| 23:33.35 | range | wolf^: Thanks. |
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| 23:35.33 | range | Saves me opening one (after I got my server to work with the mail client) :) |
| 23:35.37 | Creteil | range: this test show me I can connect (I already know that) btw I try to show why when I tap to disconnect, this doesn't disconnect anything at all ... |
| 23:35.47 | range | Ah. Hmm, no idea. |
| 23:35.59 | range | Install and start syslogd? |
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| 23:36.20 | Creteil | range: apt-get install syslogd ??? |
| 23:37.48 | range | Or sysklogd, I only read about that (and you should only start it for debugging, as /var/log seems to be on the root fs, if I am not mistaken). |
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| 23:40.41 | Creteil | range: ok |
| 23:41.10 | Creteil | range: so, I suppose by default under maemo syslogd doesn't autostart on boot ? |
| 23:41.57 | range | As said, I didn't use it yet, but I guess that openvpn would log there. |
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| 23:44.20 | Creteil | range: look like openvpn-applet doesn't support spaces or specials characters in name of .ovpn file like : /var/run/openvpn.Mikli Events (Old).pid |
| 23:46.40 | Creteil | range: do you know where I can get the 'less' console command (any package for the N900) ??? |
| 23:46.49 | range | No. |
| 23:46.58 | Creteil | range: ok |
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| 23:51.06 | Creteil | range: btw do you think most packages for N810 can run under N900 ? |
| 23:51.13 | GAN900 | Depends |
| 23:51.27 | GAN900 | Creteil, it's probably is the SKD tools repo. |
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| 23:53.20 | range | Creteil: Just because I gave you one answer does not mean that I know the answer to all of your questions :) |
| 23:54.24 | Creteil | range: yes, I know that :-) |
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