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00:02.25jebbaBabelO: stock kernel has CONFIG_NO_HZ=y  AFAICT
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00:02.35BabelOjebba : powertop complain about this missing option
00:02.47BabelOmaybe i have to check /proc/config.gz if it is on N900
00:02.53jon1012about pymaemo, is adding a console_scripts entry point enough to create an executable ?
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00:08.10GAN900Babel0, works fine here. :)
00:08.26BabelOGAN900: you did not got the advice from powertop ?
00:08.29Dr_Cainhmm
00:08.34Dr_Cainplaying flash in the background
00:08.42Dr_Cainand checking top in the meantime
00:08.55Dr_Cainand pulseaudio is using 16% cpu
00:09.00Dr_Cainthat's not really acceptable
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00:09.50crashanddieDr_Cain: not acceptable?
00:10.04BabelOGAN900: here http://pastebin.ca/1715092
00:10.13crashanddieDr_Cain: you do realise that top doesn't take into account CPU-throttling?
00:11.00SinofEnvy[]hi guys, does anyone know if that app Flashlight (now in devel I think) uses torch mode or full blown flash?
00:11.56SinofEnvy[]dont wanna burn my leds :p or is it safe either way?
00:12.16GAN900Babel0, no.
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00:12.38GAN900SinofEnvy, who's the maintainer?
00:12.43BabelOGAN900: hm ok
00:12.44Dr_Caincrashanddie: cpu was att 100% load from the flash crap
00:12.51SinofEnvy[]uhhh... no clue
00:13.06SinofEnvy[]let me try and find out
00:13.07GAN900Well, the package will tell you.
00:13.13Dr_Cainnobody likes pulseaudio
00:13.13SinofEnvy[]yes sec
00:13.32Dr_Cainit's a piece of garbage tbh
00:13.48Dr_Cainwould be nice if we could replace it with oss4 or something
00:13.52GAN900lol
00:14.07GAN900I'm so tired of people bitching about Pulse.
00:14.14Dr_Cainnever gets old :P
00:14.28SinofEnvy[]gan900; some Roman Moravcik
00:14.38SinofEnvy[]dno who that is o_O
00:14.58Dr_Cainalso, is powertop what I think it is?
00:16.02GAN900FYI, Pulse does filtering to protect the speakers.
00:16.41Dr_Cainhmm
00:16.44Dr_Cainfrom clipping?
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00:18.17GAN900Low freqs can damage them.
00:18.51lopzhi
00:18.52GAN900Anyway, 16% doesn't tell you what speed the CPU is running.
00:19.14Dr_Cainyeah I'll check cpuinfo next time
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00:26.00BabelOcan someone told me why my .changes file is not auto generated ?
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00:40.37pupnikhttp://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/   accelerated theora on n900 dsp (old) in case u missed
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00:54.46TurboManhey sup maemo dudes
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00:55.18TurboMani wanna get N900 what about the battery life
00:55.43SpeedEvilDepends.
00:55.51TurboManhow long does it last for a normal usage, you know less phone calls and like 2.5-3 hours of browsing
00:55.52AakashPatelIt's good :P
00:56.05AakashPatelDoes this thing have dual mics?
00:56.06SpeedEvilFor example, ssh'd into it over wifi - >25 hours
00:56.08SpeedEvilno
00:56.12AakashPateldarned
00:56.13TurboMani just dunno why nokia didn`t make it 1500 mAh :/
00:56.20AakashPatelIt still records sound real good though
00:56.26SpeedEvilTurboMan: because at some point mAh is irrelevant
00:56.37simulai love the battery life
00:56.47TurboManSpeedEvil i had the normal N95
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00:56.50simulawhole day for normal usage - wifi / browsing
00:56.51TurboMani got the 8GB
00:56.51SpeedEvilTurboMan: and making the device larger and heavier is outweighed by that
00:57.03TurboManits night and day diffirence !!
00:57.13kynkyalso nokia used existing bl-5j
00:57.14SpeedEvil1200 vs 1500 is not really very large
00:57.15TurboMan950 vs 1200
00:57.32SpeedEvilnight and day, for a 20% diff?
00:57.35SpeedEvil15%
00:57.42TurboManYEAH beliveme :p
00:57.43simulajust buy a second battery... they're $25
00:57.46kynkycarry a small portable power pack with you :)
00:57.49SpeedEvilI don't.
00:57.55TurboManwell maybe i was on an very early firmware
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00:58.15TurboManthey really got the battery improved on the original N95
00:58.18SpeedEvilFor just browsing, and phone calls, the battery life is very good
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00:58.39kynkyits amazing the diff between linux and symbian ;)
00:58.42SpeedEvilyeah - but vast improvements on battery life did not come out of the 15% increase in battery.
00:58.45Dr_Cainunless you get the wifi bug :p
00:58.54SpeedEvilThey come out of the software doing powersaving better
00:59.00Dr_Cainthen you can drain it in a few hours
00:59.13TurboManthanks god i waited and i didn`t buy the iphone :p
00:59.14SpeedEvilI've never seen that.
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00:59.52TurboMani was about to order one of the linux phones like Garmin G60 or NeoRunner
01:00.12TurboManbut no way in hell i can compare them to the N900
01:00.13SpeedEvilNeo Freerunner you mean
01:00.22TurboManlol yeah that one
01:00.26SpeedEvilThe FRs hardware is somewhat dated now.
01:00.51Milo-the pen-thingy makes an absolutely brilliant coffee stirrer
01:01.10GAN900"somewhat"
01:01.13TurboManthe only drawback i see now for N900 the GPS is useless :1
01:01.13SpeedEvilA 7 euro stirrer :/
01:01.24SpeedEvilstabs nokia in the face.
01:01.36GAN900TurboMan, howso?
01:01.37simulahahah
01:01.41TurboManis there any good GPS app for linux ?
01:01.46pupnikassisted gps is real fast
01:01.48SpeedEvilI mean, including a spare in the box will cost them _literally_ $.05
01:01.52GAN900Maemo Mapper
01:01.58SpeedEvilassisted GPS is fast in some conditions.
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01:02.03kynkyTurboMan, cygnit releasing app very much like tomtom soon
01:02.07GAN900Sygic is releasing a port sometime soon.
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01:02.15TurboMannothing beats garmin mobile XT :/
01:02.16SpeedEviltomtom could even drop a port on it very easily
01:02.34TurboMani wish that it was avialable in linux
01:02.52Milo-silly supertux won't work :(
01:03.07SpeedEvil'available in linux' is somewhat of a misnomer.
01:03.15Milo-arrow down is missing
01:03.28TurboManerr for linux lol
01:03.41SpeedEvilJust because you can get some on a desktop linux box - and you can probably run windows tomtom through wine - you can't run it on a phone
01:03.41TurboManits 4 am here and i`m still awake
01:03.50SpeedEvilSame for - say - skype video
01:03.59pupnikgames need to add keymapping
01:04.00SpeedEvilOr flash 10
01:04.04Milo-is there anyone here who is able to tell me how the supertux is supposed to be controlled?
01:04.14kynkyflash10 soon though
01:04.17Milo-up and down aren't working
01:04.27TurboManeverything is possible in linux world
01:04.35TurboManit just needs time i know
01:04.45pupnikwhat language device Milo-
01:04.51Milo-finnish
01:05.02Milo-I can see the up and down arrow
01:05.09Milo-but they don't do a thing :/
01:05.21pupnikthat is a bug
01:05.22TurboManthe most thing i am excited about not just the Maemo OS the Project Mer
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01:05.54Dr_CainMilo-: change keyboard layout to english before starting the game
01:05.56TurboMani wish half of the people around the world gets N900 to push the develompent of Project Mer
01:06.30SpeedEvilponders talk when half the world gets a n900.
01:06.32pupnikhelp make n900 apps better, sell more
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01:06.57SpeedEvilAt the moment talk is comprised of the self-selected smart people that saught out a linux phone.
01:07.12SpeedEvilcan't work out how to spell that word.
01:07.19SpeedEvilneeds some love.
01:07.22SpeedEvilgloves
01:07.25SpeedEvilthough that too
01:07.25TurboManwhen the iphone 1st lunched there wasn`t that manny apps for it
01:07.52TurboManits still too early to judge about missing apps on maemo
01:08.47SpeedEvilyeah
01:08.51SpeedEvilmuch
01:09.03Milo-Dr_Cain I have to restart my phone to play a game? :po
01:09.04Milo-:o
01:09.04SpeedEvilThere are maybe 5-6 apps that look useful.
01:09.31simulalist your 5-6 favorite apps speedevil :)
01:09.42TurboManwhat keeps the iphone so special too is the ability of upgrading the OS
01:09.54Dr_CainMilo-: shouldn't have to restart for a simple keyboard layout change?
01:09.58nomismpf. Right now I could use a tempo-adjust (without changing pitch) in the media player. Why haven't the nokia engineers thought about the exercising musician!
01:09.59SpeedEvilsimula: I mean of general interest
01:10.07TurboManSymbian phone = you stuck with an outdated os whenever a new phone is out
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01:10.15SpeedEvilsimula: though I'm not really sure tha'ts quite relevant
01:10.23Milo-Dr_Cain settings -> language & region ->?
01:10.33pupniknomis, mplayer has varispeed
01:10.40TurboMansometimes the hardware are the exact same
01:10.47Dr_CainMilo-: I think it's under text input
01:11.26TurboManif nokia didn`t make that happen for the N900 then what is the point of bringing something unsupported
01:12.05TurboManlook at apple the 3.0 OS is not just for the newer phones, the Oldest iPhone is still getting the updates
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01:12.31SpeedEvilI currently am finding useful osm2go, eggtimer, fuelpad, rulerjinni, wifiinfo (though it breaks networking till you reconnect), weightjinni interesting.
01:12.48Dr_Cainhow's fuelpad?
01:13.11SpeedEvilIt looks interesting, but I haven't played with it much, due to annoying licensing issues.
01:13.23SpeedEvilAs in the bastards won't give me my driving license.
01:13.51SpeedEvilMy health is variable, and on the couple of tests I've had, I felt _really_ shit.
01:15.06SpeedEvil(the pass rate for this test centre is 45%)
01:15.06Dr_Cain:|
01:15.06Dr_Cainthat sucks
01:15.15SpeedEvilI've heard US tests are lots easier - but I haven't looked up test statistics
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01:16.02Dr_Cainhaha they are
01:16.17Dr_CainI took my license in california
01:16.18Dr_Cainbefore I took it in sweden
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01:16.34Dr_Caina quick test and a trip around the block was all that was needed :P
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01:17.50SpeedEvilIt's 1/2 hour driving, with several required manouevers - reverse round a bend, turn in road, and parallel park
01:19.23Dr_Cainheh, easy stuff if you've practiced it a few times
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01:38.39nomispupnik: that doesn't help for self-encoded music.
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02:06.08microlithI certainly hope the next firmware release fixes whatever is causing these reboots
02:06.18jebbamake dist-clean at the start of the build was blowing out the asterisk sound files before the patches were applied that were supposed to stop that.  Sedding it out in rules ftw
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02:23.54jaemmorning folks
02:24.15jaemthis showed up on Hack a Day today... it looks interesting (aside from the fact that a real distro would need to get ported) http://www.hardkernel.com/index.html
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02:25.09jaemif I could afford it, I'd be all over it
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02:29.26JoshTriplettHi.  Does any means exist to extract the rootfs from an N900 over USB?
02:29.46JoshTriplettThe flasher doesn't seem to have an option to read *from* the device, just to write *to* the device.
02:30.20JoshTriplettMy N900 wedged itself (bug 6350), and before I blindly reflash it, I wanted to try to extract the image it has to figure out what went wrong.
02:30.22povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 random reboot bricks device
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02:32.14Maikuhi, I'm trying out maemo 5 in scratchbox and it seems like something is lacking or it's not configured properly. I've been trying to work on some telepathy stuff with it, but there's no jabber account option, just a GTalk one. Also I've tried installing a few programs and they don't appear anywhere I can find. Is this normal?
02:32.57MaikuI also haven't found a way to set your account status, but I would imagine that's me not finding where to do it.
02:34.00JoshTriplettMaiku: Do you mean programmatically, or do you mean in the UI?
02:34.23Maikuthe UI
02:34.31MaikuI did manage to do it with mc-tool, but I'm thinking that's not the intended way ;)
02:34.57JoshTriplettMaiku: Normally, you'd find and change your presence status by tapping the clock/notification area.
02:35.03Klownerwoooohoo! Mic works
02:35.28MaikuJoshTriplett: does the NotificationArea package need to be installed in that case?
02:35.37JoshTriplettMaiku: Probably. ;)
02:35.45JoshTriplettMaiku: Perhaps you lack some key UI components?
02:35.57JoshTriplettMaiku: That would also explain the lack of application menu.
02:35.58Maikusuch as meta-package-esque?
02:36.04JoshTriplettPerhaps.
02:36.22JoshTriplettI'd poke around and figure out which ones, if my phone currently consented to boot. :/
02:36.25Maikuwell I have the button in the upper left for task switching/opening
02:37.44Maikuby the way I had this scratchbox install from OS2008, and used the GUI installer for the sdk etc if that helps at all
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02:38.30JoshTriplettMaiku: You might consider making a new install for OS2009.
02:38.39JoshTriplettI don't know that you can upgrade.
02:38.59Maikuit's a new target.. or do you mean the base system
02:39.22derfYou can upgrade.
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02:42.39Klownerooh invisible shield has 50% off sale, sweeet
02:42.39Klownergood thing I waited
02:43.05Klowner(then tomorrow when I gouge my N900 screen I'll be screaming "WHY DID I WAIT?")
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02:47.31Maikuhmm the notification area package I was referring to is in maemo extras devel.. I wouldn't imagine it would come from there? o.o
02:50.20jebbaJoshTriplett: check out 0xFFFF the free software flasher. It recently added code for n900.  You need to get it from hg (mercurial)
02:50.58microlithok, fresh reflash. no extras, no 3rd party apps. Only stuff (1 app) from the core repo.
02:50.58microlithso goes the next day
02:50.58JoshTriplettjebba: Hmmm!  I hadn't seen any recent activity on that, but nice.  Do you know if it has that particular function, of reading stuff back out?  (I'd tend to guess not, given that it requires support on the bootloader side which may not exist, but maybe...)
02:51.28microlith(thankfully, /home survives a reflash
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02:52.36jebbai dont know if it supports that function, but i did look at the source code to 0xFFFF in the last day or two and saw that he had patched it since i looked at it 10 days ago or so and it had lots more n900 specific.
02:52.37JoshTriplettjebba: I'll grab it and take a look.
02:52.37jebbaJoshTriplett:   hg clone http://hg.youterm.com/0xFFFF
02:52.37JoshTriplettThanks!
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22:10.42*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | maemo.org Bugday: Dec 15th, 18:00-03:00 UTC at #maemo-bugs -> http://tinyurl.com/yl53f2j
22:10.44Milo-jebba awesome :D
22:10.51Milo-thanks :D
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22:11.48Milo-jiajia well, this phone isn't perfect
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22:12.08Milo-I have had it for one day and I've found lots of things that needs improving
22:12.34Milo-difference between this and symbian phones how ever is, that you are able to do something about these issues now
22:12.37Milo-unlike with symbian :)
22:12.53jiajiayou are right
22:12.57jebbathis fone is a world unto itself  :)
22:12.58jiajiait is not perfect yet
22:13.33lcukjiajia, yes i think there will be a phone better than the n900 in a year
22:13.44lcukthe n900 will be better then than it is now
22:13.59returnthis<PROTECTED>
22:14.12Milo-oh dear, -testing branch has openttd! :D
22:14.22jiajiai really hope so, but anyway i just love the linux termnal
22:14.22returnthisso I will try again with wifi on
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22:14.47lcukreturnthis, then do you fancy trying it now with wifi - that way you have some test data to either extend the bug report, or file a new one with
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22:15.31lcuknever has problems with calls
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22:16.19ifreqis there any way to update contact data on phone via mac osx?
22:16.29ifreqneed to add huge load of email addr /msn etc to contacts
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22:20.32nezbanyone have suggestions for the best N900 screen protector?
22:20.53timeless_mbpifreq: update or import?
22:20.56therocknezb: well dont buy the one from protection films
22:21.05therockits no matt in the cover
22:21.06ifreqtimeless_mbp: update
22:21.32lcuknezb, common sense and a clean room environment
22:21.52timeless_mbphttp://www.apple.com/pro/tips/sharing_vcards.html
22:22.06AbstractWEarlier, this was suggested: https://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
22:22.10timeless_mbpunlike outlook, we support multiple cards per file
22:22.16timeless_mbpmerging is um, ... dunno
22:22.36nezbAbstractW: can you attest to their quality?
22:22.39ifreqhmm ok thanks
22:22.53timeless_mbpyou can try exporting your entire db from the n900, importing to addressbook, merging there, and then deleting everything from your n900 and importing an export from addressbook :)
22:22.55AbstractWNot yet, I ordered it though, on the recommendation of someone else in here.
22:23.51nezbAbstractW: hmm, alright. hopefully it turns out good. did you get the full or just the screen sheet?
22:23.56ifreqtimeless_mbp: yeh guess so :)
22:23.57AbstractWfull.
22:24.14nezbAbstractW: direct from them or through a reseller like Amazon?
22:24.19AbstractWdirect
22:24.19Milo-cool, GPE Calendar > nokia calendar :)
22:24.21jon1012is there a list of "ok to use" extras-devel apps ?
22:24.33nezbAbstractW: thanks for the info :)
22:24.37AbstractWMy phone should get here on friday, and so should my shield.
22:25.04nezbAbstractW: cool. congrats!
22:25.07jon1012(for n900 by the way)
22:25.26AbstractWYeah, amazon has a $550 N900, with a $50 rebate currently.
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22:26.19AbstractWnezb: Their guarantee is pretty good, actually.
22:26.50nezbAbstractW: so it seems. it better be good for $25!
22:26.56AbstractWI hope so.
22:27.02ifreqtimeless_mbp: seems http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/isync supports n900 too
22:27.05ifreqgoing to test now
22:27.19nezbifreq: Sweet! Been waiting for that
22:27.22timeless_mbpinteresting
22:27.28jon1012(fyi, the insurance I pay for my n900 is 16 euros monthly here in france)
22:27.48AbstractWholy crap, thats expensive.
22:27.49timeless_mbpifreq: eh?
22:27.53timeless_mbpsearch doesn't list it
22:28.30g^Perhaps somebody can help me with n900 & active sync. Our company uses lotus inotes that is "mail for exchange" compatible and I quess everything would work ok, except that the 'server' prompt does not allow to enter /lotus/traveler after the server name. Now, does anyone have any idea to which config file these settings are saved?
22:29.10Milo-aw, GPE can't import from maemo calendar
22:29.13Milo-what a pity :(
22:29.15SpeedEvilAbstractW: how much do you pay?
22:29.38SpeedEvilI've been looking at accidental damage cover - it's ~70euro/year in the UK
22:30.13redanyone know if we are getting a pc suite version which can handle sending sms via phone?
22:30.26redthe n900 that is
22:30.35AbstractWSpeedEvil: I don't have insurance. I'm in the US, and purchased an unlocked phone directly.
22:31.14nezbCoupon Code for ZAGG screen protector PROTECT20 (20% off)
22:31.15AbstractWBut, for me it was $4/mo for accidental damage cover on my iphone through ATT
22:31.27AbstractWnezb: Damnit, I should have used that :P
22:31.40therocki pay 5euro for damage and lost
22:31.54SpeedEvilAbstractW: that covers you for expensive phones?
22:31.59SpeedEvilAbstractW: oh
22:32.05nezbAbstractW: can you have them adjust your order?
22:32.32AbstractWnezb: I doubt it, seems to have already been charged.
22:32.32KlownerAbstractW: there was  a 50% thing yesterday :(
22:32.37AbstractWheh.
22:32.38nezb50%?
22:32.45Klownerat zagg, ya
22:32.56ifreqtimeless_mbp: yeah it doesnt, misread.. ffs.
22:33.05jon1012(is the flashlight app safe ?)
22:33.13ifreqi can drop vcards thats for sure.. but no real syncs
22:33.17SpeedEviljon1012: yes.
22:33.26SpeedEviljon1012: it is safe to run the LEDs at low power forever
22:33.32nezbKlowner: was there a promo code?
22:33.35SpeedEviljon1012: It is considerably dimmer than the flash.
22:33.40jon1012ok
22:33.53AbstractWI'm just looking forward to real rsync.
22:33.53jon1012and flashlight use that dimmer level ?
22:34.06Klownernezb: nope, just everything 50% off
22:34.23crashanddiejon1012: that's a lot of insurance
22:34.25nezbKlowner: darn. oh well, $20 + $3 shipping isn't that bad...
22:34.35SpeedEviljon1012: yes - as I understand it
22:34.36crashanddiejon1012: if you pay that insurance for 2 years you'll have paid for half the phone extra
22:34.52jon1012crashanddie: I know :(
22:34.53crashanddiejon1012: en d'autres termes: tu te fais arnaquer mon cochon ;)
22:34.54Klownernezb: ya, not too bad
22:35.00SpeedEvilcrashanddie: are you likely to drop it in a toilet forex.
22:35.06jon1012crashanddie: in france the phone is 650 euros
22:35.12nezbstill a rip if you consider it is a piece of plastic ...
22:35.21SpeedEvilcrashanddie: I would have said I was normally very careful with phones, but today I threw the n900 across the room.
22:35.36SpeedEvilcrashanddie: slippery case, and cold fingers.
22:35.37crashanddienezb: you pay $2 for a bottle of plastic filled with brown water -- which recipe hasn't changed in the past 150 years
22:36.07nezbcrashanddie: but that tastes so delicious! I love Dr.Pepper
22:36.15lcukSpeedEvil, self adhesic rubber patch on the back is useful in that scenario
22:36.28SpeedEvillcuk: yes, that scenario.
22:36.37crashanddieSpeedEvil: I have a better solution
22:36.38SpeedEvillcuk: not others.
22:36.52lcukwiimote straps
22:37.15SpeedEvillcuk: wouldn't have helped at all - I was picking it up
22:37.29lcukpadded cell
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22:37.43crashanddieSpeedEvil: if you throw things around as you try to pick them up, I think you need to go on an anger-management course
22:37.45crashanddie:P
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22:37.51lcukprevent both problems
22:38.03KlownerI wonder if I can watch tv on my n900
22:38.03crashanddieoh there's my... FOR FUCK'S SAKE AAAAAAARRRGGHHHH
22:38.20b0unc3hey guys, which is the right substitute of hildon_font_selection_dialog_new() (the api doc said it's deprecated now) ?
22:38.21SpeedEvilcrashanddie: It slipped out of my hands - and I tried to catch it the wrong way.
22:38.42SpeedEvillcuk: I would like a padded cell - if it was nice and insulated
22:38.56crashanddieKlowner: as long as you can stream tv to the N900, sure
22:39.00lcukit comes with a special overcoat too!
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22:39.10crashanddiehow do you handle the keyboard opening?
22:39.17lcuka uniform so to speak
22:39.50Klownercrashanddie: ya, except it's HD, I suspect 1920x1080 might make it explode. Worth trying though, if I can figure out how
22:41.04AakashPatelhmm i have an H.264 MP4 video
22:41.08AakashPateland its not playin on the device :/
22:41.14AakashPatelany ideas?
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22:42.01crashanddieKlowner: apply a tenfold filter, should do fine then
22:42.09worlukcould anyone point me to a better suited channel (unless someone can help me here :) )? Got an N900 some days ago, and im only getting a dark nokia logo, with short vibration in long intervals
22:42.09crashanddieAakashPatel: our balls ain't made out of crystal?
22:42.26AakashPatelcrashanddie: lol well it was playin on my comp
22:42.36AakashPatelso i didnt know if it was the vid or something else
22:43.08crashanddieworluk: have you tried leaving it plugged in to the charger for some time?
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22:43.19nezbworluk: I get that sometimes when I leave it plugged into the charger
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22:43.24crashanddieAakashPatel: can my pet have a disease?
22:45.18worlukyeah, but it is supposed to vibrate, and switch the status light on and off each time it vibrates during loading?
22:45.18crashanddieworluk: actually, when you turn it on it does exactly that
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22:45.18AakashPatelssure why not
22:45.18crashanddieworluk: it just doesn't do it multiple times at a time -- just once
22:45.18worlukwell, once, yea, but it doesnt stop
22:45.19nezbDell has the N900 for $550
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22:45.19crashanddieAakashPatel: give us more details, do you get an error message? What info do you get from mplayer? What exact codec are you using? How big is the file? etc, etc
22:45.19henningmsDoes the USB charging work properly? I had it in for a long time, it said it was charging but then it just died :) hehe
22:45.19henningmsN900*
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22:46.14pupnikcrashanddie is someone who knows about most of the cool tech on the planet
22:46.14pupnikpeople are only like that at 22
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22:46.23AakashPatellol
22:47.37AakashPatelcrashanddie: Its 800MB's and it says Unable to play media, Media Format not supported
22:50.05AakashPatelIdk what codec its using
22:50.08AakashPatel(how do i check?)
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22:51.06crashanddiepupnik: actually, I'm not 22 ;)
22:51.06ifreqhenningms: should work ok
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22:51.06worlukhm, when i hold the power button, the status light fades in white...
22:51.06pupniki make a joke
22:51.06worlukand the screen lights up with the logo
22:51.06pupnikthank you, worluk
22:51.06crashanddieworluk: yeah, it works better when you turn it on
22:51.07ifreqAakashPatel: tested with mplayer too?
22:51.07crashanddiepupnik: I'm 23 :)
22:51.07worlukwell, it goes dark after a while again
22:51.07crashanddieworluk: yeah, seems like your battery is drained
22:51.07worlukhm, ok, then i guess i will leave it plugged for a while, but the vibrating puzzles me
22:51.08worlukand i was under the impression that the status light is supposed to blink during loading
22:51.08crashanddieAakashPatel: use mplayer, 3rd time we're asking you
22:51.08crashanddieworluk: leave it for another hour or two, if it still toasts like that, ask again -- you might have a faulty unit
22:51.08Arkenoifunny enough,it seems that almost no one says that n900 size is "just ok". About half of the people complain that it is too big and another half (including me) say it is too small ;-)
22:51.08worlukdont say that :/
22:51.08worluk;)
22:51.08worlukwill do
22:51.08worlukty
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22:51.11AakashPatel:P you didnt ask me to use mplayer
22:51.18crashanddieAakashPatel: yes, we did
22:51.47crashanddie<crashanddie> AakashPatel: give us more details, do you get an error message? What info do you get from mplayer <ifreq> AakashPatel: tested with mplayer too?
22:52.00AakashPatelOh :P i didnt see that second part
22:52.24AakashPatelwhat repo is mplayer in
22:52.24crashanddiethen at least apologise to ifreq, you completely ignored him :(
22:52.36AakashPatelifreq: i'm terribly sorry ifreq :)
22:52.47crashanddiethank you :)
22:53.06crashanddiedunno which repo mplayer is in
22:53.14AakashPateleh i just enabled devel
22:53.15AakashPatelstill loading
22:53.37AakashPatelyea its in here
22:54.20AakashPatelinstallling
22:54.27SpeedEvilWhat's the name of the screen brightness applet - I'm blanking.
22:54.27SpeedEvilAnd I can'f find it in the app-list
22:54.30fralsjust got cockblocked by the fire department
22:55.24fralsim in my boxers on the couch, all of a sudden the fire department rings the door bell "excuse me madame, you dont happen to have a fire going are you?"... im in my gfs apartment
22:55.38redArkenoi: I'll say the n900 size is just ok, but the unlock slider, volume button and off button are too small :p
22:55.49AakashPateloh god thi video plays slow in mplayer
22:55.51redthey should be proportionally bulky as the device itself hehe
22:56.23redfrals: they called you a madame thru the door or after seeing you on ur boxers?
22:56.37fralsthey called my gf that ;)
22:57.02redoh, i was ready to tell you to work on your manboobs :>
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22:57.48jon1012ugh... I had no space left on root partition, and I moved /usr/share to /home/share and did a link so the files where accessible on the other part...
22:57.57jon1012the device rebooted and doesn't want to boot again
22:58.05jon1012anyone knows what I could do to recover from that ?
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22:58.26fralsred: my manboobs are fine thank you very much :D
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22:59.32jon1012in case someone who was in the netsplit can help :
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22:59.47jon1012ugh... I had no space left on root partition, and I moved /usr/share to /home/share and did a link so the files where accessible on the other part... the device rebooted and doesn't want to boot again. anyone knows what I could do to recover from that ?
23:00.00RolaBladeHi... anyone here know how or where I can find information on how to install maemo sdk on Arch Linux? Thanks
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23:05.18SpeedEvilWith falsies on?
23:05.19SpeedEviloh - to her.
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23:10.14jebbajon1012: nothing comes to mind apart from flashing it. hmm
23:10.24jon1012:(
23:10.43jon1012why on earth did they do such a small root partition ? :(
23:11.41jon1012everyone in forums tell to move folders to home and do links to them
23:11.51ifreqi wouldnt :-P
23:11.56n900ev1l<PROTECTED>
23:12.35jon1012I guess I'll have to flash :(
23:13.19Milo-ehm what..
23:13.22Milo-root is already full ._·
23:13.44jebbaMilo-: it fills up quickly if you install lots from -testing or -devel
23:13.44jon1012Milo-: my root was full so I moved thins in home and did links
23:14.02jon1012things*
23:14.03Milo-jebba apparently so :P
23:14.05jon1012then... reboot and no way the device could boot again
23:14.06Milo-only downloaded two packages from testing
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23:14.49FIReunanyone know why the maemo python doesnt like "from xml.sax.handler import ContentHandler"
23:16.32jon1012if I flash will it erase MyDocs partition ?
23:16.50jebbajon1012: although that does sound like something that should be possible. Perhaps you set up the symlink wrong (?) or something from /usr/share is needed early in the boot before mounting your homedir
23:16.50jebbajon1012: flash does not erase /home/user  just erases the 256M partition
23:16.50jon1012ok
23:16.50jon1012cool
23:16.50ifreqi wouldnt go for symlinking.. fatal :P
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23:19.26jebba<PROTECTED>
23:19.35Milo-so hmm
23:19.35jon1012flashed...
23:19.36ifreqopt is prob not needed on boot
23:19.36Milo-why is / so small :o
23:19.37Milo-oh well, some minor fstabbing :)
23:19.43jebbaMilo-: due to having to do a flash recovery if things go to hell
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23:19.50Milo-jebba but still.. 512 would have been nice :P
23:20.00ifreqMilo-: nothing shouldnt be installed under root directly anyways
23:20.01SpeedEvil256 or 512 is irrelevant
23:20.01SpeedEvilthe right solution would be to install all apps on the 2G
23:20.02Milo-well package manager installs everything under root :P
23:20.02SpeedEviland set it up so that worked from day 0
23:20.02ifreqMilo-: lies
23:20.02jon1012curses himself for not having done save often
23:20.02jebbaya.  apparently 512M ones weren't available in volume either (so i heard here)
23:20.03Milo-ifreq ._·
23:20.05wolf^anyone knows why nokia didn't used small root + big /usr instead of using opt?
23:20.05SpeedEvilyou're going to put a 32G / in
23:20.05SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
23:20.07jebbawolf^: for reasons of flash recovery AFAICT
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23:20.09SpeedEvila 512 vs 256 flash is just extra cost
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23:24.11Milo-hmm so is there a way of making all the packages to install in home rather than / ?
23:25.15cehtehsearch the wiki/docs for 'optify'
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23:27.22jon1012ok guys good night :)
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23:41.13oscillikjust wanted to say hi, and that i'll (hopefully) be a first time Maemo user in about a week - just in time for Christmas!
23:41.39ifreqlets keep thumbs up then
23:41.45jebbaMilo-: the official answer is that apps should install to /opt, and if they don't they are broken (except for key OS applications)
23:41.53oscillikthanks :)
23:43.04Milo-jebba can't /usr/share be moved to /opt and then just create a symbolic link to /usr/share?
23:43.47jebbayou can try it  ;)
23:44.26ifreqhttp://gizmodo.com/5346818/nokia-n900-maemo-is-a-phone-makes-the-n97-look-silly  can someone go to 0:24 on video and tell me what app/shortcuts are made to desktop?
23:44.35Milo-or I can bind it with mount
23:45.45Milo-or manually link some biggies
23:45.58Milo-like ovi maps
23:46.08oscillikifreq: Web / Media Player / Calendar / Photos / Contacts / Phone / Maps / Camera / E-Mail / Conversations /Clock / Calculator / App Manager / Settings / Applications
23:46.48ifreqoscillik: looking on the right spot aye? :P
23:47.01ifreqwas interested about the spot where guy had friends faces on the desktop..
23:47.10SpeedEvilifreq: why?
23:47.20oscillikyou said apps on the desktop, that's at 0:22
23:47.21SpeedEvilyou can do that with contact
23:47.21SpeedEvils
23:47.33oscillikat 0:24, there is a bookmarks screen from the web browser
23:47.34ifreqSpeedEvil: yeh that i wanted to know thanks
23:47.43ifreqoscillik: ok wasnt on mine :P
23:47.44ifreqor well.. it just changed
23:47.53ifreqon the 0:24
23:47.56oscillikifreq: weird, we're both watching the same video :-/
23:48.18ifreqon 0:25 it changes to another screen
23:48.19SpeedEvilifreq: contacts app, select a contact -> add shortcut -> add to desktop
23:48.30ifreqSpeedEvil: yeah thanks. thats useful for me
23:48.32SpeedEvilifreq: then you can drag it into the right place later on the desktop manager
23:48.41ifreqyeh yeh
23:49.05SpeedEvilyou need to set a pic of course
23:49.07ifreqbtw anyone ported conky yet? :)
23:49.44ifreqyes
23:49.45ifreqbeen updating my friends pics lately.. :)
23:49.49oscilliki wouldn't like to run conky on my N900 - will eat battery power
23:50.19SpeedEvilhttp://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=23121
23:50.22SpeedEvilifreq:
23:50.28ifreqyes going there sir
23:51.32shakkazombieis there a way to run a single command as root like rootsh traceroute google.com?
23:51.55shakkazombiedont want to/cant use sudo gainroot in this instance
23:52.04AakashPatelroot maybe?
23:52.26wolf^shakkazombie, edit /etc/sudoers?
23:52.32shakkazombiethats like gainroot
23:52.43shakkazombieoh crap, sudoers
23:52.47oscillikquick question for those who have an N900 - is the keyboard backlit, like on the E90?
23:52.52SpeedEvilThe 'running out of battery' noise is like a depressed owl?
23:52.59SpeedEviloscillik: backlit
23:52.59AakashPatelWhat does rootsh do to make root possible w/o R&D mode/
23:53.11SpeedEviloscillik: dunno if like
23:53.18SpeedEviloscillik: all the letters illuminate
23:53.29oscillikSpeedEvil: awesome :) i was hoping it would be backlit, thanks for clarifying
23:53.34shakkazombiethanks wolf^ didnt think of that, completely slipped my mind
23:53.47SpeedEviloscillik: works well in the absolute dark, or anywhere between
23:53.52SpeedEvilto sun
23:54.21oscillikmust say, after being a Psion user, Symbian user, and Android user, i'm faily excited to get my hands on this
23:54.34oscilliki'll still use my Psion though :p
23:54.47oscillikgot rid of my ADP1 months and months ago
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23:56.36oscillikfrom my experience using IRC clients on both my Noka E90 and my ADP1 when i had it, IRC does tend to eat battery while connected by 3G
23:56.44oscillik*Nokia
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23:59.08SpeedEviltrying to find 'worst case's
23:59.21SpeedEvilother than obvious.
23:59.47SpeedEvil(bright screen playing a movie over 3g say
23:59.52SpeedEvilwith flash

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