| 00:00.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | or a .22 as it,s been a girl |
| 00:00.36 | solpete | GeneralAntilles: Ok I should be so hard to judge, but what ive seen from CNN and FOX news .... |
| 00:00.44 | solpete | shouldnt even |
| 00:01.14 | GeneralAntilles | solpete, political neutrality isn't a reality. |
| 00:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | solpete, it's a rationalization to make people feel warm and fuzzy. ;) |
| 00:01.34 | solpete | anyways... filming a friend during a cinema friend with your digicam and risc 4 years in prison... thats crazy |
| 00:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | solpete, yes, copyright law has gotten out of hand. |
| 00:01.51 | solpete | GeneralAntilles of course :) Its analogue |
| 00:01.52 | pwnguin | how good of a job is sweedish tv doing informing the public if barack obama can win a nobel peace prize? |
| 00:01.57 | lardman | better to take the $63,001 fine |
| 00:02.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | political neutrality is an antinom |
| 00:02.23 | GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, there was a story about two "Nobel prize winners" meeting to discuss climate change on the news at the airport the other day. |
| 00:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, it was Obama and Gore. |
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| 00:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | facepalm. |
| 00:02.40 | solpete | pwnguin: dunno really .. last i heard today was that they were reporting why Obama doesnt want to meet the King |
| 00:02.55 | Scummer | solpete: i suggest raping someone and you might walk as a free man out of court |
| 00:03.18 | solpete | Scummer huh |
| 00:03.18 | solpete | :) |
| 00:03.30 | Scummer | it's definitely out of proportion |
| 00:04.06 | solpete | dont unnerstan u |
| 00:04.07 | solpete | :) |
| 00:04.13 | ali1234 | hitler godwin this is why we can't have nice things change the subject :P |
| 00:04.23 | Scummer | life ain't worth shit in the us court system |
| 00:04.50 | solpete | Scummer what do you mean, that you can rape someone and walk out a free man? |
| 00:05.03 | solpete | im sure you cannot, unless there is a lack of evidence |
| 00:05.48 | Scummer | solp: meaning, the punishment doesn't fit the crime |
| 00:05.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | bah. US legislation sucks baseballs thru a waterhose |
| 00:06.05 | solpete | Scummer you think the punishment os too low? |
| 00:06.23 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, still in favor of shooting them all out of cannons into the sun. |
| 00:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | solpete, the penalty awarded for copyright infringement is often higher than that for rape. |
| 00:07.04 | solpete | Scummer oh I get you ... walk out as a free man raping but risking 4 years for filming inside the cinema |
| 00:07.09 | solpete | yea |
| 00:07.11 | Scummer | solp: no, the punishment for the cinema tghimgy was way too high |
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| 00:08.24 | solpete | Also I read about some mother got fined $8000 per track someone had downloaded while "hijacking" their wireless router... |
| 00:08.48 | solpete | I think she got personally bankrupt .... |
| 00:09.02 | solpete | The judge claiming she was responsible for her internet connection |
| 00:09.29 | ali1234 | that is not unreasonable |
| 00:09.47 | solpete | ali1234 your too americanized :) For me its crazy |
| 00:09.58 | lardman | come on LAPACK |
| 00:09.59 | solpete | tell her to fix her connection and rest the case |
| 00:10.00 | VDVsx | installed braek and now feels like a IPhone user :( |
| 00:10.04 | Scummer | someone crack the judges Wpa2 with the n900 and download some music. quick :) |
| 00:10.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | that,s why you need to *open up* your wifi on purpose |
| 00:10.47 | ali1234 | solpete: fixing the connection = taking responsibility |
| 00:10.49 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Is it in testing yet? |
| 00:11.03 | lardman | bed time, LAPACK will have to wait 'till the morrow |
| 00:11.05 | lardman | night all |
| 00:11.05 | VDVsx | Jaffa, yes |
| 00:11.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | no legislation to prohibit it. And you can't be responsible for random driveby users |
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| 00:11.25 | solpete | ali1234 why should you be responsible for your internet connection? |
| 00:11.35 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Cool |
| 00:11.56 | VDVsx | Jaffa, not cool I had to restart my device :) |
| 00:12.17 | ali1234 | solpete: why should anybody take any responsibility for anything then? |
| 00:12.24 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Ah, yes. How does one stop it? |
| 00:12.32 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, ping? |
| 00:12.52 | VDVsx | Jaffa, dunno, there no way to do that atm afaik |
| 00:13.02 | Scummer | traffic is rollin again. i'm out |
| 00:13.20 | Jaffa | VDVsx: X Terminal > killall braek |
| 00:13.27 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Starting it again gives you another... |
| 00:13.36 | Jaffa | Right. Bed time. |
| 00:13.43 | VDVsx | Jaffa, yes, but lazy to do that :P |
| 00:13.57 | VDVsx | Jaffa, I had four running |
| 00:14.03 | VDVsx | Jaffa, gnite |
| 00:14.04 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I SSHed :) |
| 00:14.06 | Jaffa | g'nigt |
| 00:14.07 | javispedro | braek, funny, but needs a remove option |
| 00:14.11 | javispedro | er... |
| 00:14.26 | javispedro | I see you suggested that already :) |
| 00:14.35 | solpete | In sweden there are 9 million citizens. A recent study showed that 2 million downloaded "illegally" at least once during the last year. In numbers that was 75% of all people between 13 and 40... You cannot criminalize a whole generation of people; Something else with the "system" is wrong. Its time to realize that copyright, sharing , networking, social behaviour, possession of music videos radio television media - is something new now an |
| 00:15.07 | ali1234 | that best not be copypasta |
| 00:15.08 | VDVsx | javispedro, its funny to do a prank with a friend's n900 ;) |
| 00:15.30 | ali1234 | javispedro: want me to CC you on the psx4all repo mail? |
| 00:15.33 | Jaffa | will show it to a colleague tomorrow as "my N900's got a feature shared with the iPhone" ;) |
| 00:15.39 | javispedro | ali1234: yes please |
| 00:16.18 | javispedro | already envisions the app being pulled from extras because it damages "critical features of the device" |
| 00:16.27 | solpete | Imagine getting sewed because you bought and wore the same clothes as your neighbour; your neighbour should of course own the rights for his looks :) |
| 00:16.30 | VDVsx | Jaffa, you don't have the real dealbreaker yet |
| 00:16.37 | VDVsx | Jaffa, fart app :D |
| 00:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody ships a fart app I'm putting this thing through the disposal. |
| 00:17.48 | solpete | gotta sleep |
| 00:17.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | I thought the only way to damage critical features was to massively overcharge the battery cell ;-P |
| 00:17.53 | solpete | nighty nighty |
| 00:18.04 | ali1234 | sent |
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| 00:24.35 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I bet that will exist a couple of fart apps in the ovi store |
| 00:24.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: That's almost makes me want to write one. |
| 00:24.47 | Jaffa | Just to get the damned thing out of the way. |
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| 00:25.03 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hehe. |
| 00:25.11 | Jaffa | What do they do? Just a single button? Is it pressure sensitive? Should you shake the device to build up pressure? |
| 00:25.21 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, the Ovi Store on Symbian is a uniquely depressing affair. |
| 00:25.27 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, an exercise for you: pick your 5800,open OVi store and then search for "fart" |
| 00:25.29 | VDVsx | :D |
| 00:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | All of the flight tracking applications only work for airports in Singapore. |
| 00:26.16 | VDVsx | Jaffa, one of the most ratted: http://store.ovi.com/content/77A1756EAB12B3EFE040050A87320E87?clickSource=search |
| 00:26.28 | VDVsx | "pico fart pro" |
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| 00:26.47 | Jaffa | Oh. My. God. |
| 00:26.47 | VDVsx | I installed pico fart lite, miss some features :D |
| 00:26.56 | VDVsx | but it«s free |
| 00:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | 3 star ratings are the worst. |
| 00:27.14 | Proteous | don't need a special fart app for the n900, just use one of the many flash based ones on the web |
| 00:27.38 | VDVsx | Proteous, oh good idea |
| 00:27.48 | VDVsx | lol |
| 00:28.03 | VDVsx | searchs |
| 00:28.05 | Proteous | Flash:1 Ovi Store:0 |
| 00:28.08 | Jaffa | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/play/658/ |
| 00:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | How far the Maemo Community has fallen. . . . |
| 00:28.35 | Proteous | lol |
| 00:28.56 | Jaffa | Wonder if it streams them? If embedded, it could be an offline package |
| 00:28.58 | VDVsx | packages a flash fart app for maemo |
| 00:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | wonders if his DDP N900 will ship before he returns home for Christmas. |
| 00:29.31 | Jaffa | That one's even finger friendly. |
| 00:29.34 | Proteous | DDP? |
| 00:29.38 | Jaffa | can't make up his mind on DDP. |
| 00:29.56 | Jaffa | I'm thinking not. Loan & contract run out at similar times. |
| 00:30.14 | Proteous | nm |
| 00:31.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | f*cking mail app flashed up the ettins for 0.5sec this moment |
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| 00:31.56 | xorAxAx | in which ways is the builtin calendar better than the gpe calendar? |
| 00:32.05 | Gadgetoid | DDP? |
| 00:32.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart pop mail for not knowing error codes like poll_mintime |
| 00:32.10 | infobot | shoots pop mail in the head for not knowing error codes like poll_mintime |
| 00:32.14 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Integrated with contact's birthdays. |
| 00:32.29 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: alarmd integration. |
| 00:32.44 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Probably about it. It's been a while since I used GPE |
| 00:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | Gadgetoid, Device Discount Program. |
| 00:33.09 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I may decide to sell it to somebody. |
| 00:33.36 | Gadgetoid | oh right general, how much did you get roff? |
| 00:33.42 | Gadgetoid | off* |
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| 00:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | â¬250 |
| 00:33.57 | xorAxAx | hmm, how can i sync the builtin calendar with evolution? |
| 00:34.00 | Gadgetoid | not bad |
| 00:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | Which is borderline ripoff compare to US street prices. |
| 00:34.14 | GeneralAntilles | Especially without a warranty. |
| 00:34.18 | Proteous | heh |
| 00:34.26 | Gadgetoid | no warranty? bah |
| 00:34.35 | VDVsx | for those with 1 year loan the DDP is quite useless IMO, but we never know:) |
| 00:34.43 | Gadgetoid | i got £150 pff retail |
| 00:34.49 | Proteous | how come nokia can't make enough phones for everyone who wants one to be able to buy one at launch |
| 00:34.53 | Proteous | hahsahd;lkjasdf;lkj |
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| 00:35.17 | Gadgetoid | first sim free phone i've ever bought |
| 00:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | Proteous, because management was stupid and underestimated demand by a ridiculous amount? |
| 00:35.31 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I may run for council in March just to have some kind of "we should have 'em" leg to stand on ;) |
| 00:35.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: *again* |
| 00:35.45 | Proteous | GeneralAntilles: maybe by design in some sort of stupid "lets make this exculsive and make you feel lucky if you get one" kind of thing |
| 00:35.55 | mikhas | because demand > supply is the only way to keep prices high? |
| 00:36.14 | GeneralAntilles | Proteous, yeah, they're not that smart. ;) |
| 00:36.16 | mikhas | it's not really in the interest of the supplier to match/overshoot demand =) |
| 00:36.26 | Gadgetoid | 500 quid is about the going rate for smartphones |
| 00:36.34 | Gadgetoid | unless its an iphone |
| 00:36.39 | Jaffa | mikhas: It is if you're trying to build a platform and *meet* demand. |
| 00:36.43 | Proteous | in reality it ends up being, "oh well, I can't get one for another 4 months and by that time something else better comes out that I buy instead" |
| 00:36.45 | VDVsx | Jaffa, didn't get your proposal :D |
| 00:36.54 | Gadgetoid | nokia are hardly keeping prices high |
| 00:37.07 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: what is the alarmd integration about? |
| 00:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, lol, gonna do the Grover Cleveland thing? ;) |
| 00:37.32 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Long time to go yet -- I'm waiting to see if all the good work the current council does makes me feel bad. Or whether everyone'll end up just having hissy fits at Quim on -community. |
| 00:37.34 | GeneralAntilles | mikhas, there are orders of magnitude to contend with here. ;) |
| 00:37.41 | Jaffa | xorAxAx: Alarms will go off if device is completely off. |
| 00:37.44 | Gadgetoid | specially with some of us preorderers scoring between 30 to 45 percent off |
| 00:37.57 | xorAxAx | Jaffa: oh, thats cool |
| 00:38.13 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I needed to Google that - 22nd & 24th US president isn't something non-USians necessarily know about ;-) |
| 00:38.19 | mikhas | well, ok. let's say demand >> supply might be stupid then =p |
| 00:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I had a whole weekend full of European references I didn't get, so I'm repaying the favor. ;) |
| 00:38.40 | VDVsx | Jaffa, eheh, seems that Quim doesn't like our proposals at all :P |
| 00:39.52 | Gadgetoid | european up my leg |
| 00:42.04 | timeless_mbp | does GPE support MfE? |
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| 00:42.26 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Barcelona? You should've just gone around asking for Manuel to teach you English "from a book". And answering everything with "Que?" |
| 00:42.41 | zerojay | Que? |
| 00:42.45 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: No. But it has other sync capabilities AFAIK |
| 00:43.00 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, ping! |
| 00:43.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | talking bout alarms - I'm really missing the maemo4 alarm setup |
| 00:43.12 | zerojay | Quoi? |
| 00:43.16 | Jaffa | zerojay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5035TY5RSpg |
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| 00:43.28 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, pick a good weekend in the summer to have an event on. |
| 00:43.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo5 is so... retarded |
| 00:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | A "long weeekend" if you will. |
| 00:43.40 | timeless_mbp | Gadgetoid: last i checked the cost of an unsubsidized iPhone wasn't much cheaper.. |
| 00:43.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | (alarms for that statement) |
| 00:44.20 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Er... week 24. lol |
| 00:44.27 | zerojay | Whatever the fuck that would be. |
| 00:44.41 | Gadgetoid | timeless_mbp more like 400 more |
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| 00:44.48 | Jaffa | zerojay: Excellent, there's even a Candian joke in that clip |
| 00:44.54 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Let me ruminate. |
| 00:46.28 | Gadgetoid | i miss the n810s endearing notification led |
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| 00:48.03 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 00:48.12 | timeless_mbp | does ovi store work w/ my n81? |
| 00:48.41 | timeless_mbp | i'm considering one of the free apps, it says you need to be a native speaker to appreciate it |
| 00:48.45 | timeless_mbp | crashes safari |
| 00:48.59 | timeless_mbp | (or maybe that's "ovi crashes safari") |
| 00:50.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | Gadgetoid, what's the problem with N900 led? smaller apperture? |
| 00:51.21 | Gadgetoid | i love the big corner led on the n810... its nice and visible and has character |
| 00:51.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep, ack for that |
| 00:52.32 | Arkenoi | really wants bigger keys. at least bigger shift, fn and ctrl keys, Crtl-Q, Fn-A, Fn-Sym and Shift-Z are tricky to press. |
| 00:52.52 | Gadgetoid | the one on the n900 just aint visible in a slip case |
| 00:53.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | Gadgetoid, not even when screen down on table |
| 00:54.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi, luckyily the prefix keys are stricky |
| 00:54.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | except ctrl (sometomes?) |
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| 01:05.56 | Xisdibik | <DocScrutinizer51> darn. typos indicate a timeout due |
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| 01:05.58 | Xisdibik | howd you know |
| 01:08.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/timeout/outtime ;-D can't disclose about my crystal ball |
| 01:08.50 | nezb | goodbye |
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| 01:11.05 | Xisdibik | heh, i know alot about them |
| 01:11.26 | Xisdibik | when i was a wee toddler, i used to wave my hands over my dads head and say.. Crystal Ball, Crystal Ball... he wasnt to happy about that :/ |
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| 01:26.21 | Sir_Lancelot | xchat is 100000000x better than irssi |
| 01:26.28 | Sir_Lancelot | :D |
| 01:27.04 | Sargun_Screen | is a 100000x better than |
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| 01:30.11 | Proteous | LIES |
| 01:30.15 | Proteous | irssi == teh win |
| 01:30.48 | Proteous | nothing like saying how great your irc client is then getting disconneted |
| 01:31.53 | yuizy_ | :D |
| 01:32.44 | redeeman | Proteous: theres a difference between "getting" disconnected and disconnecting |
| 01:32.58 | crashanddie | ~redeeman++ |
| 01:34.10 | dmj7261 | It strikes me that a lot of games for maemo 5 are very artist unfriendly |
| 01:34.27 | simula_ | do people shoot artists in these games? |
| 01:34.53 | dmj7261 | no, they just hide the artwork in c files and other funky formats |
| 01:35.15 | simula_ | ahhh |
| 01:35.42 | redeeman | your editor cannot read in a byte array from C files? :P |
| 01:35.49 | redeeman | image editor that is |
| 01:35.50 | dmj7261 | It would be like asking a Isaac Newton to please do all of his publications via a hex editor |
| 01:36.19 | dmj7261 | I'm sure you could get GIMP to do that if your *really* wanted to. |
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| 01:36.58 | simula_ | i think somebody needs to add a note to the manpage |
| 01:37.09 | simula_ | heh |
| 01:39.56 | dmj7261 | I hope more games will be showing up for the n900 soon |
| 01:40.23 | simula_ | i still have to try out the nes emulator |
| 01:40.46 | simula_ | too busy trying to get the qt libs and qt-creator installed on the phone |
| 01:41.41 | redeeman | simula_: you have a toolchain on the phone? |
| 01:42.53 | simula_ | you can get g++ and companions in one of the fancy repositories |
| 01:43.04 | simula_ | i forget if it's extras-devel or sdk |
| 01:43.13 | simula_ | or it might be another one |
| 01:44.05 | redeeman | i hope that installs to /opt - / doesn't have enough space for that |
| 01:44.12 | simula_ | heh, nopes |
| 01:44.24 | simula_ | they ate up all my root.. i'm down to like 10megs :) |
| 01:44.35 | simula_ | i'll install everything i cook up to opt though |
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| 01:49.27 | Xisdibik | dmj7261: 47:72:61:76:69:74:79:20:69:73:20:61:62:6f:75:74:20:74:68:65:20:61:70:70:6c:65:20:66:61:6c:6c:69:6e:67:20:66:72:6f:6d:20:74:68:65:20:74:72:65:65:2e |
| 01:49.39 | dmj7261 | ? |
| 01:49.45 | Xisdibik | I wrote you something ;) |
| 01:50.17 | dmj7261 | Your IPv8 address? |
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| 01:50.42 | Xisdibik | nop |
| 01:50.55 | Xisdibik | http://www.dolcevie.com/js/converter.html |
| 01:51.18 | dmj7261 | hehe |
| 01:51.32 | Xisdibik | ;) |
| 01:51.50 | dmj7261 | I've written lots of things in hex, but I'd rather not draw pictures in it. |
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| 02:00.06 | tank-man | x-face maker :) http://www.dairiki.org/xface/xface.php |
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| 02:02.08 | AakashPatel | dmj7261: ivp8? |
| 02:02.15 | AakashPatel | IPv8*? |
| 02:02.34 | AakashPatel | Does that even exist yet? lol |
| 02:02.40 | dmj7261 | a joke...we're still not fully on IPv6 |
| 02:02.44 | dmj7261 | no it doesn't |
| 02:02.53 | AakashPatel | Yeah haah |
| 02:03.04 | dmj7261 | (but it was too long to be IPv6 |
| 02:03.26 | dmj7261 | hmmm...could have vanity IP addresses, just like license plates. |
| 02:03.44 | AakashPatel | Yeah, tahts what i was wondering lol |
| 02:04.18 | dmj7261 | A corporation might choose something like: |
| 02:04.20 | dmj7261 | 47:6f:6f:67:6c:65:3a:20:44:6f:20:4e:6f:20:45:76:69:6c:2e |
| 02:05.00 | dmj7261 | or |
| 02:05.05 | dmj7261 | 4d:61:65:6d:6f:3a:20:4c:61:73:65:72:20:50:65:6e:67:75:69:6e:73:2e |
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| 02:06.04 | dmj7261 | or even |
| 02:06.09 | dmj7261 | 41:70:70:6c:65:3a:20:53:68:69:6e:79:20:53:68:69:74:2e |
| 02:06.33 | dmj7261 | http://www.dolcevie.com/js/converter.html |
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| 02:12.00 | zash | dmj7261: lol |
| 02:12.25 | dmj7261 | shiny |
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| 02:14.03 | JoshTriplett1 | Hi. I report and triage a lot of bugs in the Maemo bugzilla, and I wondered if I might request "canconfirm" or "editbugs" permission, so that I could more easily help with triage rather than just noting a necessary status change so someone else can make it. What procedure exists for requesting such permissions? |
| 02:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | dmj7261: .--. .-.. . .- ... . ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... -. --- -. ... . -. ... . ...-.- |
| 02:16.28 | JoshTriplett1 | DocScrutinizer: What nonsense? ;) |
| 02:16.51 | dmj7261 | hehe |
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| 02:17.46 | GeneralAntilles | JoshTriplett1, we don't really have a strong formal process for it. |
| 02:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | But talk to Andre about it. |
| 02:17.59 | JoshTriplett1 | fixes his nick. |
| 02:18.11 | JoshTriplett | Must have gotten disconnected at some point. :) |
| 02:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'll ping him tomorrow if I remember. |
| 02:18.17 | JoshTriplett | GeneralAntilles: Thanks! |
| 02:20.03 | jebba900 | anyone tried video plugin with pidgin? |
| 02:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | JoshTriplett, he's usually on here under andre__ |
| 02:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | JoshTriplett, it's about 5 AM there, though. ;) |
| 02:21.26 | jebba900 | JoshTriplett, also see #maemo-bugs and there is a bug day on the 15th, see the wiki |
| 02:21.41 | JoshTriplett | jebba900: Yeah, I saw that on Planet. |
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| 02:28.51 | microlith | woohoo, newegg charge for my N900 |
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| 02:31.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | microlith, gimme your account info. I'm happy to charge you as well if you enjoy it so much :-P |
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| 02:43.02 | Xisdibik | charges microlith's card aswell |
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| 02:45.12 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 02:48.07 | Vratha | hi |
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| 02:48.15 | Vratha | just got Nokia Messaging setup for my email today |
| 02:48.25 | Vratha | i wonder how much they plan to charge for that when it goes live |
| 02:48.54 | Vratha | if i have to, i'll just setup my home system to text message me when a new email arrives |
| 02:53.32 | JoshTriplett | Vratha: I feel certain that won't prove necessary. :) |
| 02:56.22 | Vratha | you think it's going to remain a free service/ |
| 02:57.10 | JoshTriplett | Vratha: Most likely, but even if it doesn't I feel certain that Maemo will support other mechanisms for achieving the same thing. |
| 02:57.41 | Vratha | maybe. i'm waiting to see inbox search and "smart folders" |
| 03:00.10 | Arkenoi | btw i do not see imap folders in gmail with nokia messaging and duplicate sent and draft folders instead :-( is it known bug? |
| 03:00.44 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: The duplicate sent and drafts folders represents one of the most requested missing features. |
| 03:01.19 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2557 and http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/keep_sent_and_drafts_on_imap_server/ |
| 03:01.20 | povbot | Bug 2557: Keep Sent and Drafts on IMAP server |
| 03:01.52 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: I don't know what you mean by the other issue. |
| 03:02.28 | JoshTriplett | Possibly an issue with IMAP subscriptions; I think Modest (the email client) only shows subscribed folders. |
| 03:03.11 | Arkenoi | JoshTriplett, it is not local folders and server folders - it is two copies of server folders |
| 03:03.24 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: Oh. That sounds like a different issue, then. |
| 03:03.30 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: I don't know the problem there, sorry. |
| 03:03.52 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: Possibly a known issue, possibly not. I'd suggest doing a quick search on bugzilla to see if you see the bug, and if not you should report it. |
| 03:04.33 | Arkenoi | one has "globe" icon and one has regular one, but the contents are the same - i see server-side messages that were not sent via nokia messaging in both |
| 03:05.12 | Arkenoi | and there are no subscription options, at least none i could find |
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| 03:05.46 | microlith | oooh |
| 03:05.49 | microlith | tracking number even |
| 03:06.14 | microlith | friday! |
| 03:06.52 | JoshTriplett | microlith: :) |
| 03:07.00 | JoshTriplett | microlith: I know that feeling. :) |
| 03:07.26 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: Modest doesn't have any visible subscription options; it just hides any folder you haven't subscribed to. |
| 03:07.40 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: But in any case, the behavior you described definitely sounds like a bug. |
| 03:07.41 | microlith | I can retire this ancient A1200 |
| 03:07.43 | JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: You should report it. |
| 03:08.11 | timperi | amiga 1200? |
| 03:08.24 | microlith | Motorola |
| 03:08.28 | JoshTriplett | microlith: Heh. I can beat that: this replaces my Nokia 3120b. :) |
| 03:08.33 | timperi | ;) |
| 03:08.44 | microlith | timperi: you must have big pockets :) |
| 03:11.50 | timperi | it's the nonfunctioning microphone that bothers me really |
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| 03:13.19 | ersin | hey does anyone know why hard vfp is disabled in scratchbox? |
| 03:14.04 | ersin | so silly that the n8x0 has a vfp unit and that it doesn't get used |
| 03:14.17 | ersin | i understand that a lot of apps are compiled w/ thumb to make them smaller |
| 03:14.25 | ersin | but there are still plenty that use softfp |
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| 03:21.55 | ersin | whoa looks like i disconnected |
| 03:22.02 | ersin | did anyone get my question? |
| 03:22.24 | JoshTriplett | ersin: Netsplit; not a problem on your end. :)( |
| 03:22.26 | JoshTriplett | Er, :) |
| 03:22.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 03:22.38 | JoshTriplett | And yes, your question went to the channel before the netsplit. |
| 03:22.42 | ersin | O_O |
| 03:22.45 | ersin | netsplit? |
| 03:22.54 | ersin | is that an ice cream? |
| 03:22.57 | JoshTriplett | Heh. |
| 03:23.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | freenode barfed |
| 03:23.10 | ersin | yikes |
| 03:23.15 | JoshTriplett | ersin: IRC means "internet relay chat"; the "relay" part means multiple servers pass messages back and forth. |
| 03:23.25 | JoshTriplett | ersin: Freenode, like most large IRC networks, has many servers. |
| 03:23.33 | jebba900 | ok so the liq* apps are fantastic |
| 03:23.43 | ersin | gotcha |
| 03:23.48 | JoshTriplett | ersin: The connection between two of them got broken, and everyone on the wrong side saw everyone else disconnect. :) |
| 03:23.57 | ersin | hahah |
| 03:24.03 | ersin | that's kind of funny when you put it that way |
| 03:24.10 | ersin | like mass online schadefreude |
| 03:24.17 | luke-jr | FreeNode should setup redundancy -.- |
| 03:24.36 | JoshTriplett | ersin: You can see that in the quit messages; they all say "brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net". Means brown.freenode.net split off. |
| 03:24.46 | JoshTriplett | luke-jr: *More* redundancy, apparently. ;) |
| 03:24.58 | ersin | ah, thank you joshtriplett |
| 03:25.03 | luke-jr | JoshTriplett: afaik, FreeNode only uses a single connection between any two servers |
| 03:25.05 | ersin | so does anyone know about the vfp unit? |
| 03:25.11 | luke-jr | vfp is not a unit |
| 03:25.19 | ersin | instruction |
| 03:25.21 | ersin | ? |
| 03:25.40 | ersin | but the n800 has support for it built in, no? |
| 03:25.55 | ersin | yet scratchbox gcc only supports emulated vfp |
| 03:25.56 | Scummer | or irc.freenode.net split off.. depending on what side you're on :) |
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| 03:26.06 | ersin | or "softfp" |
| 03:26.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr, if that's been a oopsie on simmons.freenode.net, it's hard to setup redundancy for it's users |
| 03:26.49 | derf | ersin: Assume anyting luke-jr tells you is wrong. |
| 03:26.53 | derf | vfp is a unit. |
| 03:27.02 | ersin | derf: lmao ok |
| 03:27.09 | ersin | that's what i thought... |
| 03:27.33 | luke-jr | derf: no u |
| 03:27.44 | luke-jr | Scummer: irc.freenode.net is not a server |
| 03:27.56 | Scummer | what ? |
| 03:28.05 | Scummer | *** Current server: irc.freenode.net 6667 |
| 03:28.13 | Scummer | i disagree |
| 03:28.16 | ersin | dr_cain: pluto is not a planet |
| 03:28.23 | luke-jr | ersin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#VFP |
| 03:28.44 | luke-jr | Scummer: irc.freenode.net is a round-robin |
| 03:29.01 | Scummer | hmm... |
| 03:29.01 | derf | ersin: And yes, the N800 is ARM11, which has vfp. |
| 03:29.16 | ersin | right |
| 03:29.31 | ersin | so then why doesn't scratchbox support the hardware vfp by default? |
| 03:29.54 | Scummer | ok.. ok.. a dig does show multiple ip's for chat.freenode.net which is the cname for irc |
| 03:29.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | irc.freenode.net is the whole infrastructure |
| 03:29.58 | derf | "softfp" does not actually mean software-emulated floating point. |
| 03:30.14 | derf | It's just specifying the ABI. |
| 03:30.22 | luke-jr | ersin: are you actually asking why an emulator is emulating? |
| 03:30.47 | ersin | what does it mean then? i do remember from compiling 770 kernels (which don't have vfp) that there is a kernel module for fp emulation |
| 03:31.13 | derf | ersin: 22:30:14 < derf> It's just specifying the ABI. |
| 03:31.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | so the statement "for simmons.fn.net the irc.fn.net split off" is absolutely correct |
| 03:31.15 | ersin | luke-jr: um...yes, in a sense...why is it emulating when there's no need for it |
| 03:31.30 | ersin | derf: sorry i didn't see that |
| 03:31.30 | luke-jr | ersin: an x86 CPU is not going to support vfp, so ... there is a need for it |
| 03:31.47 | ersin | luke-jr: excuse me...? i'm talking about the n800 |
| 03:31.58 | luke-jr | scratchbox *on* a N800? |
| 03:32.04 | ersin | no |
| 03:32.12 | ersin | that's not how cross compiling works... |
| 03:32.28 | ersin | you don't need a pc with vfp support to have a cross compiler that supports vfp |
| 03:32.54 | luke-jr | so why do you think this cross-compiler isn't making binaries that use vfp? |
| 03:33.15 | ersin | luke-jr: ...are you trolling? |
| 03:33.19 | luke-jr | no |
| 03:33.41 | ersin | luke-jr: that's the whole reason i came here, to ask if anyone knew why the compiler was doing that |
| 03:33.49 | ersin | are you familiar with scratchbox? |
| 03:33.50 | luke-jr | what makes you think the compiler is doing that? |
| 03:34.07 | ersin | because it only supports -mfloat-abi=softfp |
| 03:34.12 | luke-jr | nope, never touched it with a 10 foot pole |
| 03:34.14 | luke-jr | that's an ABI |
| 03:34.23 | ersin | whereas other arm cross compilers support -mfloat-abi=hard |
| 03:34.32 | ersin | yes...yes it is |
| 03:34.35 | luke-jr | afaik softfp ABI can use vfp |
| 03:34.47 | derf | ersin: -mfloat-abi is _just_ the ABI. |
| 03:35.20 | ersin | derf: it seems fishy then that other places on the internet report using -mfloat-abi=hard |
| 03:35.40 | ersin | i mean, i guess my question then is if anyone knows what the difference is |
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| 03:35.48 | ersin | between "softfp" abi and "hard" abi |
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| 03:36.25 | derf | "Specifying `soft' causes GCC to generate output containing library calls for floating-point operations. `softfp' allows the generation of code using hardware floating-point instructions, but still uses the soft-float calling conventions. `hard' allows generation of floating-point instructions and uses FPU-specific calling conventions." |
| 03:36.53 | derf | From http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-Options.html |
| 03:36.58 | SpeedEvil | does the n900 have hardwarefpu? |
| 03:37.00 | derf | (or man gcc) |
| 03:37.04 | ersin | derf: thank you for that gem |
| 03:37.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess hard is using direct machine opcodes while soft uses the lib |
| 03:37.17 | ersin | so then essentially hard *is* more optimized |
| 03:37.22 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that's what vfp is... |
| 03:37.34 | derf | And note, for cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7, the default flags are |
| 03:37.39 | ersin | so why wouldn't diablo scratchbox use hard...? |
| 03:37.41 | derf | *cc1: |
| 03:37.41 | derf | -march=armv7a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=vfp %{.S:-mfpu=neon} -mfloat-abi=softfp -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls %(old_cc1) |
| 03:37.52 | luke-jr | ersin: most likely the reason it won't let you do ABI hard is because ScratchBox is specifically for targetting Maemo |
| 03:37.54 | luke-jr | and Maemo uses softfp |
| 03:37.59 | luke-jr | and the two ABIs are not compatible |
| 03:38.16 | ali1234 | actually they are compatible on new eabi according to what i read |
| 03:38.17 | ersin | luke-jr: yes, obviously, but i'm saying why isn't the *whole thing* in hard??? |
| 03:38.24 | ali1234 | but does diablo use new eabi? i think not |
| 03:38.39 | luke-jr | ersin: OS2008 still supports 770 to some degree, perhaps? |
| 03:38.46 | ersin | hmm good point |
| 03:39.18 | ersin | alright then, i'll settle for softfp for now |
| 03:39.21 | luke-jr | the real question I have now is why my Gentoo on N810 is using softfp ;) |
| 03:39.37 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: cortex-a8 fpu infos: http://pandorawiki.org/Floating_Point_Optimization |
| 03:39.37 | ersin | but mark my words, one day fremantle will run on the n800 in all hard vfp |
| 03:39.53 | ali1234 | the short answer is a8 has vfp but it has neon too, and neon is better |
| 03:40.03 | ersin | luke-jr: hah, of all distros to run unoptimized lol |
| 03:40.34 | ersin | ali1234: i didn't think that n800 uses a8 cortex? |
| 03:40.43 | ali1234 | ersin: it doesn't, n900 does |
| 03:40.51 | ersin | ali1234: gotcha |
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| 03:41.12 | ersin | alright well back to work for me, thanks everyone |
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| 03:42.53 | ali1234 | does anyone know off hand what code sourcery version is used in fremantle sdk? |
| 03:43.07 | Scummer | git? |
| 03:43.21 | ali1234 | no, gcc |
| 03:43.37 | ali1234 | it will be something like 2007q3 |
| 03:43.46 | derf | ali1234: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 |
| 03:43.47 | Scummer | ohh i thought versioning |
| 03:43.49 | derf | I just said. |
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| 03:44.10 | ali1234 | sorry, i was reading that pandora page :) |
| 03:46.47 | jebba900 | maep is great liteweight map tool |
| 03:47.47 | Scummer | hmm.. supports google maps |
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| 03:49.47 | Scummer | jebba : you compiled it from the svn source ? |
| 03:49.58 | Scummer | seems like no .deb exists |
| 03:50.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | is there tangogps for maemo? |
| 03:51.40 | jebba900 | Scummer, i grabbed it from the repo maybe extras-devel |
| 03:51.52 | jebba900 | DocScrutinizer, havent seen it yet |
| 03:52.00 | Scummer | jebba: ok |
| 03:52.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | a pitty |
| 03:55.56 | jebba900 | doc maybe GL issue. i may have even tried to build it myself but hit lots of deps |
| 03:57.36 | jebba900 | gnite |
| 03:58.46 | Scummer | maep is neat |
| 04:00.36 | Scummer | cool.. maep uses a cycle map and shows bicycle path |
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| 04:04.15 | gahballs | snowcrash |
| 04:04.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | is contacts and dialer open source? |
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| 04:09.36 | Scummer | scrutininzer: doesn't the SDK tell you this ? |
| 04:14.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | Scummer, I bet it would. Alas itMs not *yet* installed on my laptop with that crammed hd |
| 04:16.20 | Scummer | terabytes are cheap :) |
| 04:17.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | not for laptop replayement. just the moving of whole system to new hd costs some downtime which I can't afford ATM |
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| 04:20.56 | Scummer | hm.. i externally attached my new drive, moved all my docs over and swapped the internal for the new bigger hd |
| 04:21.16 | Scummer | apps were reinstalled |
| 04:21.46 | Scummer | on the other hand.. apps are easily moved in os x |
| 04:23.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. Fact is, I got no SDK yet. So you got an answer? |
| 04:24.05 | gahballs | scummer apps are easy, when drive dies taking 200 gb of organised data its more of a hassle |
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| 04:25.41 | Scummer | scrutinized : one sec |
| 04:26.17 | gahballs | is looking at data disaster. tho hopefully what remains will be the cream. |
| 04:28.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | gahballs, ouch. No fictive case :-\ |
| 04:28.45 | gahballs | its not so bad i have incremental and essential backups |
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| 04:29.37 | gahballs | its just the first time in years my core dev stuff has all been vaped and will tak some time to get back in place |
| 04:30.45 | gahballs | thankfully my linux stuff is rock solid |
| 04:31.29 | Scummer | hmm.. odd.. i thought i had scratchbox installed already |
| 04:31.34 | gahballs | just cant get to net through it cos windows is in the way and i dont want to send traffic through machine whilst its disk scanning |
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| 04:36.44 | gahballs | whats phase 5 on scandisk for |
| 04:39.33 | Scummer | whats scandisk? windoze tool ? |
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| 04:39.54 | gahballs | scummer yeah |
| 04:40.25 | gahballs | ok maemo question. |
| 04:40.47 | gahballs | where can i gwt a hannah montana screensaver for my girlfiends n900 |
| 04:41.05 | arachnist | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/09/2215253 <| lol |
| 04:41.07 | Scummer | uhhh |
| 04:42.15 | gahballs | serious scummer i can ger one for s60 from the app store |
| 04:42.19 | gahballs | why not maemo |
| 04:44.27 | gahballs | gets breakfast |
| 04:44.39 | Scummer | darn.. scratchbox takes up quite some spaec |
| 04:45.07 | gahballs | its about 1/2gb isnt it? |
| 04:45.15 | derf | Significantly more. |
| 04:45.17 | Scummer | 1.3GB it appears |
| 04:45.53 | gahballs | f is that with all targets and toolkits tho |
| 04:46.13 | Scummer | this is without the SDK |
| 04:46.26 | gahballs | gulp |
| 04:46.29 | Scummer | i only gave that virtual machine 10g's... |
| 04:46.33 | gahballs | who wants baconbutty |
| 04:46.33 | Macer | lol |
| 04:46.35 | Scummer | dang |
| 04:46.35 | Macer | ninja assassin |
| 04:46.38 | Macer | 100lbs of gold! |
| 04:48.38 | Scummer | hurray for 4Mb downloads, even tho my speed is 16Mbit *grumble* slow scratchbox server ? |
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| 04:49.40 | arachnist | i just wonder |
| 04:49.49 | gahballs | maybe, anyone got any milk im out and tmilkman aint due for a while |
| 04:50.04 | arachnist | if i already have armv7-unknown-linux-gnueabi crosscompiler |
| 04:50.09 | arachnist | and qemu |
| 04:50.24 | arachnist | armv7l* |
| 04:50.34 | arachnist | do i really need scratchbox? |
| 04:50.47 | Scummer | the SDK install asks for it |
| 04:51.20 | Scummer | i guess you could just modify the script to have the sources downloaded without scratchbox... |
| 04:51.36 | derf | Right now, my /opt/scratchbox is (according to du): |
| 04:51.37 | derf | 8.3G total |
| 04:51.58 | gahballs | crikey derf |
| 04:52.00 | Scummer | derf: is that with source only? |
| 04:52.01 | hardaker | thinks porting stuff to the N900 is like chasing a dependency tree from hell where you have to build every package known to man first. |
| 04:52.17 | Scummer | derf: or are there some compiled bins in there as well ? |
| 04:52.32 | derf | That's with 5 or so targets and at least two devkits. |
| 04:52.32 | Scummer | 8G's.. mother of god |
| 04:53.05 | gahballs | hardaker you are doing it wrong. if however you startewd by getting sources for something else, yeah it an get like that |
| 04:53.17 | derf | I didn't even bother install an x86 target for fremantle, because that's at least another half a GB wasted. |
| 04:53.40 | gahballs | i just let the gji installer do its magic |
| 04:53.47 | gahballs | gui |
| 04:53.59 | gahballs | on a clean ubuntu |
| 04:54.14 | Scummer | it does say that scratchbox is a precondition for installing SDK in the install script |
| 04:54.26 | Scummer | i'm using a clean debian |
| 04:54.56 | hardaker | gahballs: yeah... the problem is that on a full linux system, of course, they try to get everything under the sun into a package. So taking a debian build directory from ubuntu and putting it in scratchbox invariably tries to pull in a gazzilion things that is "optional" |
| 04:55.35 | arachnist | i don't really understand why are you so picky about hdd space, anyway |
| 04:55.38 | Scummer | ah hell no.. /tmp is full |
| 04:55.48 | Scummer | :/ |
| 04:56.05 | microlith | nice, the billing info for my phone was received 4 hours before my package was scanned at its origin |
| 04:56.08 | arachnist | has 2x 1TB drives in a nice raid1 array |
| 04:56.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | Scummer, TB are cheap ;-P |
| 04:56.32 | gahballs | oh crap |
| 04:56.49 | Scummer | scrut: hehe.. yes.. i do have a 2TBx4 raid5 on my mythtv box :) |
| 04:57.13 | Scummer | but that's for movies.. not for scratchbox dang it |
| 04:57.20 | gahballs | i have drive fail on other one now. i get the feeling the mobo isying |
| 04:57.35 | arachnist | and in 4 months i'm going to get 7x 1.5TB drives, build a raidz2 zfs pool from 6 of them and use one as a spare |
| 04:58.08 | hardaker | Scummer: so you're porting the .022 mythtv interface then for me? |
| 04:58.24 | hardaker | pretty please? |
| 04:58.41 | Scummer | hard: nope.. i'm not a progger.. i just play with that stuff :) |
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| 05:10.50 | gahballs | vme kicks windows |
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| 05:21.44 | lcuk | whats the recommended girly phone nowadays, n97 mini or still something like the 5800 |
| 05:22.01 | johnx | are you pretty set on Nokia? |
| 05:22.08 | hardaker | iphone |
| 05:22.19 | hardaker | spraypainted pink |
| 05:22.28 | johnx | ...including the screen :) |
| 05:22.45 | Macer | ninja assassin is depressing |
| 05:22.50 | Arkenoi | lcuk, htc hero |
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| 05:23.02 | johnx | hardaker, but, in that case you might as well get this: http://www.iphonedummy.net/ |
| 05:23.05 | lcuk | facepalms |
| 05:23.15 | Scummer | hehe |
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| 05:23.31 | Arkenoi | 5800 sucks big time |
| 05:23.43 | lcuk | damn all my recent links and things saved have gone |
| 05:23.48 | lcuk | theres a pink cover for n900 |
| 05:24.09 | johnx | Macer, yeah, kinda |
| 05:24.15 | lcuk | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HOT-PINK-HYBRID-HARD-COVER-RUBBER-CASE-FOR-NOKIA-N900_W0QQitemZ150394071202QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item23042f68a2 |
| 05:24.31 | johnx | oooh, hybrid! |
| 05:24.55 | johnx | somehow it makes the N900 look very 80's |
| 05:25.08 | lcuk | and tracy went gaga when i showed it her |
| 05:25.23 | lcuk | she had just told me the day before she would have an n900 if it was pink |
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| 05:26.45 | Scummer | tell her black is the new pink |
| 05:28.04 | lcuk | Scummer, she has used n900 for a while now |
| 05:28.28 | Macer | johnx: you saw it? |
| 05:28.28 | lcuk | and just wont have one in her handbag unless it matches her other stuff |
| 05:28.29 | Macer | hahaha |
| 05:28.40 | Macer | it cracks me up |
| 05:29.10 | johnx | Macer, at the cinnebarre (which is basically the best invention ever) |
| 05:29.24 | Macer | cinnebarre hahaha |
| 05:29.37 | microlith | lcuk: that is very... bright |
| 05:29.43 | johnx | Macer, you have one in your area too? |
| 05:30.07 | lcuk | microlith, you wont lose it |
| 05:30.08 | Macer | we have something similar |
| 05:30.24 | microlith | lcuk: certainly not |
| 05:30.38 | lcuk | i think my computer is working again |
| 05:30.46 | lcuk | tho i lost 350gb of media |
| 05:30.55 | lcuk | and had to physically pull the newest drive :( |
| 05:31.32 | Scummer | lcuk : sounds like high maintenance |
| 05:31.52 | lcuk | Scummer, the drive or my girlfriend? |
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| 05:32.17 | Scummer | the gf of course :) |
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| 05:33.07 | Macer | you have to love when ninja swoop in and kill a thousand special forces guys |
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| 05:34.20 | johnx | Macer, yup, and it's even better when you can sit back and drink a beer while watching it on the big screen :D |
| 05:34.21 | inz | lcuk,my wife wanted a pink phone, she ended up with blackberry (which doesn't even work properly here in finland) |
| 05:34.40 | lcuk | inz lol |
| 05:35.35 | inz | All the cool blackberry features depend on operator support. Plain GPRS (EDGE) works of course, if you use opera, and gmail app works too |
| 05:36.42 | lcuk | nods |
| 05:36.51 | lcuk | right, computer so far seems stable |
| 05:37.01 | lcuk | tho ive lost all my firefox settings |
| 05:37.11 | lcuk | and nothing at all got written to a disk yesterday |
| 05:37.16 | lcuk | which concerns me |
| 05:39.53 | Macer | ninjas fighting in the street!! |
| 05:40.10 | Macer | what kind of ninjas just fight in the street? :) |
| 05:40.26 | johnx | Macer, pissed off ninjas |
| 05:40.34 | Macer | i suppose |
| 05:40.49 | johnx | I mean, did any of them look particularly happy? |
| 05:40.58 | derf | Ninjas can fight anywhere they want. |
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| 05:41.14 | derf | They could fight in your boudoir without you noticing. |
| 05:41.20 | Macer | johnx: well. nobody really looks happy in this movie |
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| 05:41.46 | RST38h | derf: In fact, they do it all the time. |
| 05:45.33 | Scummer | still installing.. no wonder i hadn't installed scratchbox before.. takes half a lifetime |
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| 05:59.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | darn. want that pink monstrosity in black |
| 05:59.44 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you mean a black protective shell? |
| 06:00.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 06:00.47 | RST38h | moos at lcuk |
| 06:00.52 | lcuk | i kinda agree, if it clips on like it looks like it does, id actually like to see that as a base unit for keesjs push n button thing |
| 06:00.54 | lcuk | hey RST38h |
| 06:00.58 | lcuk | hows it goin |
| 06:01.06 | RST38h | slow, snowy |
| 06:01.21 | lcuk | same most places |
| 06:01.27 | lcuk | i had a snowcrash day yesterday |
| 06:01.32 | JoshTriplett | Anyone have any experience with N900s that refuse to boot? Mine wouldn't wake up, and when I plug it in to charge it still won't turn on. After plugging it in, it shows the Nokia logo with no backlight, then starts pulsing the orange light, and keeps pulsing it even if I unplug it. |
| 06:01.45 | JoshTriplett | No response to the power button, lock button, or anything else. |
| 06:01.54 | Macer | wow that was a stupid movie :) |
| 06:02.00 | JoshTriplett | I've read through the various sources I could find via Google, and didn't find much of use. |
| 06:02.15 | RST38h | lcuk: A few days ago, wife spent 6 hours on the belt road |
| 06:02.17 | lcuk | JoshTriplett, have you taken the battery out |
| 06:02.27 | RST38h | lcuk: 18:15 - 00:15. Literally. |
| 06:02.52 | lcuk | belt road? why does that sound familiar, is that the rly bad one heading out of moscow? |
| 06:03.10 | RST38h | lcuk: Now, it is a ring around the city |
| 06:03.12 | JoshTriplett | lcuk: Yup. Took out the battery, waited a bit, put it in, no response. Of course, I say that, and I just tried it again and now it works. Go figure. :) |
| 06:03.23 | JoshTriplett | lcuk: Anti-demo-gods; it works when trying to debug it. ;) |
| 06:03.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | JoshTriplett, the flashing of LED means nothing as it's controlled by a dedicated chip |
| 06:03.43 | RST38h | lcuk: Proofpics of the disaster here: http://riverpilgrim.livejournal.com/249152.html |
| 06:03.44 | JoshTriplett | Oh. Except now it froze on the five-white-dots screen. |
| 06:03.46 | Macer | "This is not a joke, you are or 100,000th visitor Click here" |
| 06:03.51 | Macer | well.. if it says it's not a joke... |
| 06:03.57 | lcuk | JoshTriplett, please check for bug reports on that - bugs.maemo.org |
| 06:04.07 | JoshTriplett | DocScrutinizer51: It seems odd, though, that it would keep pulsing without the power attached. |
| 06:04.23 | lcuk | crikey! |
| 06:04.30 | JoshTriplett | lcuk: I have, and I see several such reports, but nothing that seems to match the symptoms exactly. Or rather, nobody seems to have a clue. :) |
| 06:04.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | JoshTriplett, it just means nobody switched the chip |
| 06:05.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | and of course it means your bat has enough life to power the LED |
| 06:05.39 | lcuk | JoshTriplett, then charge it fully today and have fun, if you reproduce again file a specific bug with your symptoms/actions and the bods can have a look |
| 06:06.08 | Arkenoi | rst38h i see you wake up damn early ;-) |
| 06:06.15 | JoshTriplett | tries booting it again to see if it manages to boot. |
| 06:06.21 | lcuk | RST38h, traffic is bad |
| 06:06.26 | JoshTriplett | Nope, freezes at the same point. |
| 06:06.44 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Well, kids, etc |
| 06:06.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk, seems to me ther's nothing to file. It probably just needed some time sitting and charging the completely drained bat |
| 06:07.07 | RST38h | lcuk: that was kinda several degrees beyond "bad" :) |
| 06:07.08 | JoshTriplett | DocScrutinizer51: Not even close to drained. |
| 06:07.24 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, but as he said if theres no specific same bug rpeort that cant be clarified or commented on in place |
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| 06:07.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | JoshTriplett, that's a bug then |
| 06:07.59 | JoshTriplett | lcuk: Well, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 seems the closest, but as with many such vague bugs, it has a pile of people trying to "help", not all of which necessarily have the same problem. |
| 06:08.00 | povbot | Bug 6334: random reboots |
| 06:08.15 | JoshTriplett | Er, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 rather. |
| 06:08.16 | povbot | Bug 6350: random reboot bricks device |
| 06:08.20 | JoshTriplett | Yeah, that one. :) |
| 06:08.34 | RST38h | How do you call it a reboot if the device never reboots? =) |
| 06:08.36 | lcuk | remembers the days when bricked meant bricked |
| 06:09.04 | lcuk | poof! goes the magic smoke and the device will never work again |
| 06:09.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | sighs semntimentally |
| 06:09.35 | RST38h | And the devices had real power switches then |
| 06:09.38 | JoshTriplett | lcuk: I didn't title the bug. ;) I agree with you, "bricked" means "not recoverable without JTAG". |
| 06:10.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe exactly |
| 06:10.05 | JoshTriplett | lcuk: "recoverable by flashing over USB" (which I hope this one qualifies as) doesn't come close to "bricked". |
| 06:10.31 | lcuk | nods |
| 06:10.39 | RST38h | Where do I get FBreader codebase? |
| 06:10.59 | pupnik_ | is pondering making maps of his area for image viewer |
| 06:11.03 | lcuk | you can apt-get source if its in the repos, or from fbreader.org |
| 06:11.12 | RST38h | pupnik: Maemo Mapper does not? |
| 06:11.37 | RST38h | lcuk: Would really like to get the current source, rather than the last one in the repo |
| 06:11.43 | pupnik_ | it demands internet constanyly RST38h |
| 06:11.45 | lcuk | fbreader.org |
| 06:11.59 | RST38h | pupnik: You can predownload maps and then it does not |
| 06:12.02 | RST38h | lcuk: aha |
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| 06:13.21 | hardaker | sweet. |
| 06:13.22 | hardaker | git works. |
| 06:13.38 | RST38h | ok, maemo version is there |
| 06:13.40 | hardaker | now, when is my ugrade account going to be active. |
| 06:14.38 | pupnik_ | RST38h: there seems to ba no cache setting |
| 06:18.05 | JoshTriplett | Info added as https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350#c24 |
| 06:18.07 | povbot | Bug 6350: random reboot bricks device |
| 06:18.39 | RST38h | pupnik: There is something like Manage Maps where you can preload them |
| 06:18.46 | JoshTriplett | As said in that comment, happy to try gathering some information before re-flashing. |
| 06:18.49 | RST38h | (if I remember correctly that is) |
| 06:18.58 | RST38h | pupnik: Also try eCoach, it is rather good at maps |
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| 06:26.28 | RST38h | Ok, I have found where I bind keys in FBreader |
| 06:26.42 | RST38h | I cannot figure out how to add modifiers though |
| 06:30.36 | Arkenoi | EoV looks so like early 90's ;-) |
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| 06:40.20 | RST38h | Ahhahahahahahaaaaa! |
| 06:40.28 | RST38h | Yesssss, yesssss my preciousssss |
| 06:40.33 | RST38h | I have found you |
| 06:43.42 | derf | Don't make me call the Nazgûls to come take you away. |
| 06:44.11 | RST38h | No, no, not the ring |
| 06:44.19 | RST38h | Modifier definitions in FBreader |
| 06:44.30 | RST38h | I can now make it toggle full screen on ctrl+enter |
| 06:44.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | wowie |
| 06:47.10 | lcuk | RST38h, great, so do you submit a patch to the fbreader guys and hope thye push it through or find a new maintainr for maemo |
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| 06:51.02 | Arkenoi | RST38h, well, i just set it to a key via preferences menu |
| 06:51.55 | RST38h | lcuk: Well, I will try submitting a patch to geometer, but the hopes are not high for it to be included |
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| 06:52.22 | lcuk | ok, so how does something like this get dealt with |
| 06:53.03 | lcuk | RST38h, did you file the bug originally on fbreader |
| 06:53.25 | lcuk | cos if its something specific we couldv crowdsourced interest in it |
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| 06:59.20 | RST38h | lcuk: I can upload my own version to Extras |
| 06:59.37 | RST38h | lcuk: And send a patch to geometer after the fact |
| 06:59.37 | lcuk | id rather avoid a fork if at all possible |
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| 06:59.48 | RST38h | lcuk: It is not really a fork, just a fe changes |
| 07:00.08 | RST38h | lcuk: But this way if the patch does not get integrated, the main maintainer will get a shitstorm on his hands |
| 07:00.10 | lcuk | yeah and when he pushes a version in the future it will conflict |
| 07:00.14 | lcuk | thats a fork \o/ |
| 07:00.43 | RST38h | won't conflict |
| 07:00.53 | lcuk | mer has a process to put in patches to upstream components |
| 07:00.55 | RST38h | will replace mine -> features missing -> shitstorm -> features added |
| 07:01.08 | lcuk | reproducably and in a manageable manner |
| 07:01.20 | lcuk | thats a fork RST38h however you wrap it up. |
| 07:01.29 | RST38h | well, I will try submitting a patch but if the guy does not accept it so be it |
| 07:01.59 | lcuk | if theres a bug report relating to the patch you are going to submit, those of us interested in fbreader on our platform can shout in there too |
| 07:02.06 | lcuk | no point in just one person submitting a random patch |
| 07:02.21 | RST38h | I am mainly interested in making my own life easier, not in greater good |
| 07:02.25 | lcuk | he needs to know the platform is using his sw and that decent devs have made a patch :) |
| 07:02.35 | lcuk | nods |
| 07:02.49 | RST38h | So, if someone wants the new package or a patch, he is welcome |
| 07:02.57 | RST38h | Otherwise, I couldn't care less |
| 07:03.05 | RST38h | <work |
| 07:03.08 | lcuk | i know |
| 07:03.46 | lcuk | thats the problem in itself, its not like we have someone able to deal with package ports and patching |
| 07:04.21 | lcuk | :D maemo.org forkmaster |
| 07:04.29 | PaulFertser | Hey :) Is anyone using the ``powertop'' utility on n8x0? I think it might be mad useful on a zero-clock based system. |
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| 07:05.04 | PaulFertser | I tried enabling TIMER_STATS that is needed for it to output anything useful but something's segfaulting during the system startup. |
| 07:05.08 | PaulFertser | Known issue? |
| 07:05.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, how would distmaster recommend to deal with that kind of problem |
| 07:05.18 | lcuk | (the fbreader usability patch) |
| 07:05.30 | PaulFertser | And does n900 comes with it by default? I think it's a must have utility to ensure low power consumption. |
| 07:05.35 | lcuk | dunno PaulFertser i tihnk techs might still be sleeping |
| 07:05.45 | lcuk | is eating bacon |
| 07:06.03 | PaulFertser | lcuk: ah, right, /me leaves in an unusual timezone :) |
| 07:06.15 | PaulFertser | 2 hours make difference |
| 07:06.20 | lcuk | where r you? |
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| 07:09.49 | PaulFertser | lcuk: gmt+3 |
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| 07:14.55 | Myrtti | MEH. atleast there's snow today. otherwise I wouldn't bother. |
| 07:15.04 | Vratha | is there a way to make the wifi on the n900 "go to sleep" when the phone isn't being used? this would be similar to the iphone and it disconnecting from wifi to conserve battery |
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| 07:16.00 | Arkenoi | Looks like event description is not synced from google calendar :-( |
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| 07:27.03 | flux | vratha, I don't think so |
| 07:27.24 | tigert | Vratha: it does sleep |
| 07:27.24 | Vratha | aww :( |
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| 07:27.35 | tigert | Vratha: it just doesnt disconnect |
| 07:27.51 | Vratha | oh, well, it would be nice if it disconnected, turning the radio off completely |
| 07:27.54 | tigert | there are various ways to do powersaving on wlan |
| 07:27.56 | Vratha | or at least have an option for htat |
| 07:28.03 | flux | tigert, I wonder how silent it can be to still remain connected.. |
| 07:28.07 | tigert | thats offline mode then |
| 07:28.23 | Vratha | tigert: doesn't that require me to manually disconnect? |
| 07:28.35 | flux | I suppose if the dbus-interface for controlling network onnectivity was known, it wouldn't be a big task to write such a tool |
| 07:28.36 | tigert | yes and it kills phone too |
| 07:28.50 | Arkenoi | syncs ok up (phone to google) but not vice versa |
| 07:28.50 | Vratha | no, you can just disconect from wifi |
| 07:29.22 | Vratha | which is what i do now after having owned the phone a few days since the battery was dying. having done that today, the phone battery last WAAAAY longer |
| 07:29.23 | flux | actually what slightly annoyes me is that if I've configured it to automatically go online connect whenever it can, I cannot simply disconnect (it'll reconnect shortly after), I need to dig into the menus do disable automatic connecting |
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| 07:30.05 | sejo_n900 | morning all |
| 07:30.42 | tigert | flux: well yeah |
| 07:30.52 | Vratha | flux: uncheck "Switch to wifi when available" in the internet connection settings |
| 07:31.27 | tigert | thats how autoconnect kinda should work :) |
| 07:31.34 | tigert | but yea, do like Vratha says |
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| 07:38.07 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 07:38.40 | sejo_n900 | hey Stskeeps |
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| 07:56.49 | Arkenoi | wow, finally, latitude/googlemaps problem solved: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=26630&page=6 - if we could only scroll it with finger.. |
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| 08:02.54 | pupnik_ | Nokia N900 just survived a fall from shirt pocket onto concrete! |
| 08:03.03 | Vratha | short of unplugging/replugging the usb cable on the n900, can i take the n900 out of "USB mass storage mode" after unmounting from the host pc? |
| 08:03.08 | Proteous | you are a dedicated tester pupnik_ |
| 08:03.14 | pupnik_ | lid and battery flew all over - no scratches or anything |
| 08:03.30 | pupnik_ | fantastic! |
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| 08:06.58 | Xisdibik | pupnik_: no scratches on the case either? |
| 08:07.01 | Xisdibik | is it in a shell? |
| 08:07.18 | pupnik_ | no scratches, no shell |
| 08:07.29 | luke-jr | wonders if people with loaner N900s are liable for damage |
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| 08:08.09 | pupnik_ | Well, i think i should advertise it on T.M.O |
| 08:08.25 | pupnik_ | to balance some of my whining |
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| 08:14.44 | ShadowJK | Vratha, no |
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| 08:24.32 | ShadowJK | wow, n900 seems to have charged from computer-usb in "charging only" mode, I thought that was the crappy one |
| 08:25.40 | Vratha | ShadowJK: suck. they should add that |
| 08:26.00 | Vratha | learning the fun of dbus-send. maybe i'll be able to send an sms with it soon |
| 08:26.02 | Vratha | but for now: sleep |
| 08:29.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | Vratha, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#DBUS |
| 08:30.18 | wazd | hello maemo |
| 08:30.26 | Stskeeps | morn wazd :) |
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| 08:31.52 | Vratha | DocScrutinizer51: pretty sweet. unfortunately i don't see any SMS stuff there |
| 08:32.00 | Vratha | but i'll take a look at some libs later; i need sleep now |
| 08:32.02 | Vratha | & |
| 08:33.31 | RST38h | hello wazd |
| 08:33.46 | RST38h | managed to add Ctrl-Enter shortcut to FBReader to toggle full screen |
| 08:34.04 | RST38h | Pending: taking over +/- buttons and fixing a heap corruption on exit |
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| 08:35.41 | frals | wow, think ive done something to my device, takes forever to register taps on the screen and launching anything takes forever |
| 08:35.56 | Stskeeps | frals: do you have browser open? |
| 08:36.07 | frals | nope, just rebooted as well |
| 08:36.30 | frals | should probably reflash, went a bit crazy on extras-devel last night :P |
| 08:36.44 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 08:36.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:36.52 | frals | the load is low thou |
| 08:37.01 | Arkenoi | rst38h: there already is a patch for +/- buttons, have you seen it? |
| 08:37.04 | frals | on the other hand it has swapped 32megs |
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| 08:38.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i actually think you managed to calm down the GPS bug |
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| 08:40.39 | iDialekt | 2 Nokia flagship usa stores closing. |
| 08:40.40 | iDialekt | :( |
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| 08:43.22 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: any thoughts about powertop? |
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| 08:43.51 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: n8x0 powertop experiments won't work sadly. there was something about the way the kernel is made and something that doesn't work |
| 08:44.11 | luke-jr | wtf is powertop |
| 08:44.15 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: exactly, the stock kernel is compiled without TIMER_STATS |
| 08:44.23 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: and with it breaks wifi, i think |
| 08:44.34 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, shows you how much timer abuse apps are doing |
| 08:44.40 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: mad cool utility to track who the hell spends cycles, i.e. by waking up and doing something useless. |
| 08:44.49 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: oh no, why is it always so hard :| |
| 08:45.00 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: the n900 is so much nicer in some regards :P |
| 08:45.09 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: does it come with powertop preinstalled? |
| 08:45.12 | ShadowJK | and time spent in various CPU sleep states, and on N900 you even get a table with various subsystems of the SOC and the amount of time they spent in sleep/etc |
| 08:45.16 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: installable, afaik |
| 08:45.26 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: old version had it preinstalled |
| 08:45.27 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: ah, that's cool, an improvement indeed. |
| 08:45.33 | hrw | morning |
| 08:45.48 | ShadowJK | it looks very different from the powertop on desktop, though it's the same info more or less.. |
| 08:46.03 | X-Fade | Hmm it seems I need to kill the erlang build. It is really stalled :( |
| 08:46.07 | hrw | ShadowJK: arm != x86(-64) |
| 08:46.27 | ShadowJK | yeah but the powertop on my PC is like interactive.. |
| 08:46.29 | RST38h | Arkenoi: the one in the repo is not a patch for +/- buttons |
| 08:46.38 | Arkenoi | yep |
| 08:46.42 | RST38h | Arkenoi: The one by qwerty12 I have seen the binaries but not the source |
| 08:46.58 | RST38h | Arkenoi: But I kinda know what is in the patch |
| 08:47.00 | Arkenoi | there were sources nearby iirc as well |
| 08:47.09 | RST38h | It sets a few XAtoms on every focus-on |
| 08:47.14 | RST38h | focus-in sorry |
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| 08:47.48 | ShadowJK | xchat looks pretty obnoxious on powertop's list :-) |
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| 08:47.56 | RST38h | no wonder |
| 08:48.11 | ShadowJK | I bet it's keeping flood-throttle and lagcheck timers active all the time |
| 08:49.01 | RST38h | it crashes when you save config |
| 08:49.07 | RST38h | so, that is a no-go for me |
| 08:49.30 | ShadowJK | I scp'd the conf from my N810... heh |
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| 08:49.52 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: so how do you find the power hogs on n8x0? |
| 08:50.09 | ShadowJK | the old fashioned way, switch random stuff off and see how long until battery is empty |
| 08:50.15 | RST38h | holy fuck...I know why N900 goes so slow with time |
| 08:50.25 | hrw | RST38h: memleaks? |
| 08:50.36 | ShadowJK | swap fragmentation |
| 08:50.42 | RST38h | hrw: Better! |
| 08:50.47 | RST38h | ShadowJK: No, better! |
| 08:50.52 | ShadowJK | oh? |
| 08:50.56 | RST38h | 11 copies of Modest hanging in memory |
| 08:50.57 | hrw | cpuleak? |
| 08:51.02 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 08:51.13 | hrw | RST38h: modest... it suxx badly in 42-11 |
| 08:51.16 | ShadowJK | oh hey, I have two :) |
| 08:51.19 | RST38h | hates that fucking excuse for a mail client and whoever came up with it |
| 08:51.34 | ShadowJK | (I dont even use it, though I might've tapped the email icon by mistake once or twice) |
| 08:51.53 | ShadowJK | wonders if the DSP is part of "core" on powertop |
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| 08:52.16 | ShadowJK | or iva2 |
| 08:52.35 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: I don't. |
| 08:52.44 | Arkenoi | are firmware updates painless on n900 or is it something like we had on earlier versions - backup, reflash, restore? |
| 08:52.50 | luke-jr | I just get annoyed at Nokia for my battery lasting 2.5 hrs |
| 08:52.51 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: do you by any chance know who does? |
| 08:52.52 | luke-jr | :p |
| 08:53.00 | luke-jr | nope |
| 08:53.20 | hrw | Arkenoi: diablo had non-reflashing updates |
| 08:53.30 | hrw | Arkenoi: maemo5 is supposed to have that way too |
| 08:53.48 | Arkenoi | sounds good |
| 08:54.33 | Myrtti | OY! Atleast with maemo you can do the reflashing with Linux! |
| 08:54.41 | Myrtti | it's an improvement! |
| 08:55.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | no powertop on any of the repos I'm aware of so far |
| 08:55.07 | PaulFertser | luke-jr: no wonder, you use .30 with gentoo and i've been told .30 lacks almost all PM. |
| 08:55.17 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it must be there, I managed to install it? |
| 08:55.33 | Myrtti | waited for a year to get her N95 updated because she had no Windows machine - and then on a first date she was hooked by the line "I've got a Windows laptop in my hotel room, do you want me to flash yours" |
| 08:55.35 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: nokia customers are so clueless they have no use for it? ;) |
| 08:55.42 | ShadowJK | My N810's battery degraded to unusably in like 1.5 years |
| 08:56.18 | ShadowJK | My E70 never got any newer firmware, and my E75 supported OTA updates already.. |
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| 08:57.05 | Myrtti | then I read the vim pocket guide I got as a present while he was flashing the phone. |
| 08:57.49 | iDialekt | I'm so scared to go maemo now |
| 08:57.55 | iDialekt | Just cause the stores closing down |
| 08:57.58 | iDialekt | Frightens me |
| 08:58.22 | Myrtti | iDialekt: the stores are a fairly new thing, and things worked fine before they existed |
| 08:58.27 | Myrtti | s/are/were/ |
| 08:58.38 | iDialekt | True |
| 08:58.41 | luke-jr | PaulFertser: no, I am running .21 |
| 08:58.56 | luke-jr | diablo |
| 08:59.05 | iDialekt | But it scares me into thinking of less north American support than they already don't have |
| 08:59.20 | RST38h | ShadowJK: E70 got 3 firmware updates, then nothing |
| 08:59.53 | PaulFertser | Myrtti: LOL |
| 09:00.03 | PaulFertser | Myrtti: it was a mixed feeling, wasn't it? |
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| 09:00.22 | ShadowJK | RST38h, I must've bought mine after the last one :-) |
| 09:00.34 | iDialekt | Dammit. I hope maemo gets more software support soon |
| 09:00.35 | Myrtti | PaulFertser: what, the flashing or the vim pocket guide? |
| 09:00.49 | Myrtti | the pocket guide was, yes. I'm an emacs user. |
| 09:00.56 | Myrtti | which is why he bought and gave it to me |
| 09:01.06 | RST38h | iDialekt: what sw support are you talking about? |
| 09:01.22 | RST38h | Myrtti: PICO. |
| 09:01.24 | iDialekt | I dunno just more apps in general I guess. |
| 09:01.42 | RST38h | iDialekt: How typical... |
| 09:01.45 | Myrtti | later, I got mixed feelings about the flashing too, when he told me it wasn't the first time he had used that line to pick up girls :-DDDDD |
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| 09:01.49 | iDialekt | Wide selection. I know there are a lot being porter |
| 09:01.55 | Myrtti | AAAANYway |
| 09:01.59 | iDialekt | Ported |
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| 09:02.39 | iDialekt | Like IM clients, video applications, multiple browsers? Google maps? |
| 09:03.02 | Myrtti | google maps? what do you mean, ported? |
| 09:03.13 | ShadowJK | there's a program called google maps too |
| 09:03.17 | iDialekt | Is there a google maps application for maemo platform? |
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| 09:03.27 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: for linux? URL or it didn't happen |
| 09:03.30 | iDialekt | Or simply have to visit the web ? |
| 09:03.33 | ShadowJK | Myrtti, not for linux, no |
| 09:03.41 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: touché |
| 09:04.43 | iDialekt | All I'm saying is for someone that is on the fence with switching platforms.. One would worry about the popularity of an OS for support in the form of apps, community, future compatibility etc |
| 09:05.06 | iDialekt | I'm aware that most techies or gurus may not care |
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| 09:05.54 | iDialekt | They just wait and defend the platform no matter what the cost because they are developing for it or just inspired by the nature of the os itself |
| 09:05.54 | ShadowJK | hm, with killall -STOP xchat temporarily, CPU is even spending some time in C4 (completely stopped?).. with xchat active, CPU never went to deeper sleep than 250MHz.. I guess this is why I get the feeling that me using the thing seems to have very little impact on battery life compared to letting it just sit untouched in pocket (with xchat running) |
| 09:06.18 | iDialekt | Hence sentenced like the one above |
| 09:06.24 | iDialekt | Sentences * |
| 09:07.07 | ShadowJK | Well most techies or gurus aren't worried, because the platform is so similar to mainstream linux... it's not like symbian, which is more like a bunch of people had come together and designed something as developer hostile as possible |
| 09:07.11 | PaulFertser | So, does anyone have any hints on finding powerhogs on n8x0 pretty please? Or am i /ignored by too many participants already? |
| 09:07.45 | iDialekt | ShadowJK: Completely understandable |
| 09:08.14 | iDialekt | Well I'm one of those users simply ready to switch platforms but am fearful of the unknown. Unfamiliar |
| 09:08.24 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: htop was the old way :P |
| 09:08.36 | iDialekt | Although from my experience the n900 functioned similar to symbian . Wasn't too scary |
| 09:09.33 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: sure, but somehow at least some stats on power states would be nice to be able to properly evaluate the impact of killing some suspcious app. |
| 09:09.47 | ShadowJK | PaulFertser, find/google for ftd and ftd-plugin-bme, might be floating around somewhere still.. "Average phone current" field is the instantaneous consumption of power. You can make it log to a file, which comes in handy when you want to average the instantaneous consumption over, say, a minute or so. Close/open/remove/add stuff and see if power consumption changes. The meter is not useful when connected to charger |
| 09:09.50 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: yeah.. see if it works with TIMER_STATS and wifi |
| 09:10.50 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i'll try. Not exactly handy without proper serial console since upon starting mer something segfaults and then the system remains unaccessible via cdc_ether. |
| 09:11.12 | PaulFertser | ShadowJK: Ok, that sounds promising, thanks :D |
| 09:12.15 | ShadowJK | is sad to see Nokia Energy Profiler missing from production N900 :( |
| 09:12.41 | red | guess it wasnt ported |
| 09:12.42 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: request it? :P |
| 09:12.46 | PaulFertser | imagines some evil-nokia conspirology explanation |
| 09:12.47 | Stskeeps | red: it does exist it seems |
| 09:13.04 | Myrtti | oooohh, it's a COOKIE |
| 09:13.15 | red | payware via ovi once it launches? |
| 09:13.36 | ShadowJK | the s60 version is free |
| 09:14.08 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, I saw someone requested it on the mailing list already... the replies were kinda vague :/ |
| 09:14.23 | frals | hmm, slowness went away after second reboot as i was prepared to reflash, interesting ;D |
| 09:14.27 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: write something with BME_Protocol.. |
| 09:14.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:14.42 | ShadowJK | Let's hope it hasn't changed :) |
| 09:14.49 | Stskeeps | didn't check yet |
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| 09:15.05 | Stskeeps | guess we'll find out when my n900 burns when i try to install toggles' hald-addon-bme on my n900 |
| 09:16.16 | Markus23 | DocScrutinizer51: cool page (about DBUS), is dbus-send-speaker-off the ways to put it in silent mode? |
| 09:16.31 | ShadowJK | well, bme on N8x0 crashed/died whenever fed garbage or the app talking to it not eating all data, so if you don't disable lifeguards it'll just throw reboots at you.. wait, no initfs with dsme on n900... hm, this could be interesting? :) |
| 09:16.58 | Stskeeps | dsme exists still |
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| 09:17.55 | ShadowJK | So I guess boot from emmc/sd and fish bme&friends out of nand? |
| 09:18.14 | ShadowJK | or did you get the binaries deal worked out and implemented already? |
| 09:18.43 | Stskeeps | well everything kinda got thrown up in the air once i got the maemo.org job, so re-evaluating things |
| 09:18.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:19.18 | red | tested transmission yesterday, 600kb/sec 1 torrent 40 connections and my phone was freezing like hell |
| 09:19.42 | ShadowJK | funny, I thought that binaries thing would've been exactly the thing covered by your job description :) |
| 09:19.55 | red | i dont suppose rtorrent is available for maemo via apt-get? |
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| 09:21.33 | red | i prefer dling podcasts via toansmission due the timed throttling functionality |
| 09:21.54 | red | as opposed to like gpodder |
| 09:24.00 | Markus23 | jebba900: did repartition work for you? |
| 09:24.11 | Markus23 | I think best would be NAND flash only holding /boot |
| 09:24.34 | Markus23 | and the rest normal / and /home separation, /home maybe FAT32 for win users |
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| 09:31.10 | slonopotamus | really wow |
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| 09:31.34 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you got a n900 for free? |
| 09:31.41 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, yes! |
| 09:31.55 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: scary |
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| 09:32.07 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: they must really be trying to kill gentoo for n8x0, it must be a competitor ;p |
| 09:32.23 | slonopotamus | starts believing in santa claus again |
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| 09:33.23 | Stskeeps | so how did they know you were a tablet developer? |
| 09:36.24 | florian | good morning |
| 09:36.47 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, dunno. i only saw a girl who just gave it to me, she had no idea what it is all about. she suggested contacting to manager who sent me email initially |
| 09:37.14 | Stskeeps | scary |
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| 09:39.41 | red | why does the phone vibrate while i click the touchscreen sometimes |
| 09:39.45 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ah! earlier, someone from same company invited me to n900 presentation here. but i _didn't_ go :) |
| 09:39.49 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:40.02 | X-Fade | red: That is called haptic feedback. |
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| 09:40.36 | red | can be disabled without disabling vibration alltogether? |
| 09:40.44 | X-Fade | red: Sure, display settings |
| 09:40.50 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, however i don't see how not going to presentations make you receive $1k presents :) |
| 09:40.54 | red | ah |
| 09:40.58 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: playing hard to get? |
| 09:41.05 | red | i somehow thought sound |
| 09:41.13 | red | stupid heh |
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| 09:42.03 | slonopotamus | anyone else got n900 for free? :) |
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| 09:42.38 | red | got it ty |
| 09:42.47 | mece | I got 2 for free, and one I had to pay for. |
| 09:42.49 | slonopotamus | meh. now i need to migrate my stuff from both n800 and phone there |
| 09:43.06 | slonopotamus | mece, 2? :) |
| 09:43.14 | mece | it's for work |
| 09:43.24 | red | i got it for 160e cheaper if that counts |
| 09:43.35 | slonopotamus | mece, doesn't count :) |
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| 09:44.05 | mece | slonopotamus, well in that case I did not get an N900 for free. |
| 09:44.31 | red | had 3 iphones break down on me in 1,5 months so i requested to change device with my provider |
| 09:45.21 | red | shitty hardware + apple naziing the appstore was enuff :p |
| 09:45.40 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, do you accidentally know who likes gentoo in nokia? :) |
| 09:46.34 | slonopotamus | timeless, or you ^ :) |
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| 09:49.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:49.40 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: Absolutely no idea. |
| 09:49.58 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, morning :) |
| 09:50.41 | wazd | slonopotamus: got it? :) |
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| 09:51.04 | slonopotamus | wazd, yep o_O |
| 09:51.24 | wazd | slonopotamus: congrats :) |
| 09:51.54 | wazd | slonopotamus: and yeah, I hate you so much :D |
| 09:52.28 | slonopotamus | wazd, man, it wasn't my fault :) it's all them, snetworks.ru |
| 09:52.55 | wazd | yeah, and them too :D |
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| 09:54.57 | frals | if theres a bug in bugzilla, and it has been "reproduced internally", theres no need to comment ur affected by it right? just a vote is good enough? ;o |
| 09:56.29 | lbt_ | lcuk: pint |
| 09:56.52 | lbt_ | hmm, that typo'll get a better response than ping |
| 09:57.02 | frals | :D |
| 09:57.05 | Jaffa | frals: Correct. |
| 09:57.09 | mece | frals, I guess so. Bugzilla is not a good place to vent. |
| 09:57.16 | frals | righto, ty :) |
| 09:57.27 | Jaffa | frals: In fact, if you're not adding any info, just a "me too", voting is always better rather than cluttering up the comments. |
| 09:57.40 | frals | lbt_: in lcuks case "bacon" might work better? ;) |
| 09:57.48 | lbt_ | frais OTOH if it's WORKSFORME then treat it like a chatroom.... as far as I can tell... |
| 09:58.05 | frals | aye thats what i figured.. judging by the bugzilla mailspam lately i wasnt so sure anymore :P |
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| 10:04.27 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: are you interested to try hostmode on n900? |
| 10:04.47 | ShadowJK | PaulFertser, do you have a plan? |
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| 10:04.58 | PaulFertser | ShadowJK: a little investigation plan, yes. |
| 10:05.08 | PaulFertser | ShadowJK: requires multimeter |
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| 10:05.15 | peterbrett | Hey folks |
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| 10:05.35 | peterbrett | Is anyone who works on telepathy-butterfly for Maemo 5 about? |
| 10:05.36 | PaulFertser | ShadowJK: and a reasonable cable you can attach to n900. |
| 10:06.26 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing you either don't have one or don't want to ruin yours :) |
| 10:06.31 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: someone likes gentoo in nokia? |
| 10:06.34 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
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| 10:06.48 | timeless_mbp | i think i've heard one or two people mention that, but i can't recall whom |
| 10:06.53 | PaulFertser | ShadowJK: i do not have n900 or else i'd try for sure. |
| 10:07.18 | ShadowJK | what would you measure? |
| 10:07.27 | PaulFertser | ShadowJK: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-December/022855.html |
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| 10:08.02 | slonopotamus | timeless, scroll half an hour back (when i endered channel) |
| 10:08.05 | peterbrett | Basically, telepathy-butterfly has stopped managing to connect to MSN Messenger at all, ever, and I wonder whether anyone else has seen the problem |
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| 10:08.25 | RST38h | ????, ?? |
| 10:08.37 | RST38h | In denying other aspects of the FOIA request, the Army stated 'disclosure of this information is likely to cause substantial harm to the Department of the Army's competitive position in the gaming industry.' |
| 10:09.01 | slonopotamus | wazd, http://slonopotamus.livejournal.com/118678.html (in russian) |
| 10:09.59 | RST38h | slonopotamus: what? really? |
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| 10:10.19 | slonopotamus | RST38h, absolutely really |
| 10:10.38 | RST38h | peterbrett: my icq connection no longer works too |
| 10:11.34 | RST38h | slonopotamus: well, nagrada nashla geroya. |
| 10:11.42 | peterbrett | RST38h: The funny thing is that it was working fine, and now doesn't work even on Wifi (where phone company funny business shouldn't be an issue) |
| 10:11.46 | RST38h | (act #2, actually) |
| 10:11.59 | peterbrett | Does anyone know how to find out who the maintainer of an extras-testing package is? |
| 10:12.01 | slonopotamus | RST38h, that's kinda surprising :) |
| 10:12.02 | RST38h | peterbrett: tried rebooting already? |
| 10:12.17 | RST38h | peterbrett: go to extras-testing list of apps and look it up? |
| 10:12.46 | RST38h | slonopotamus: time to do something useful with it though =) |
| 10:13.00 | slonopotamus | err... how i switch language on n900? :D |
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| 10:13.07 | peterbrett | RST38h: Googling has failed to locate the extras-testing list of apps! Got a hint for me? |
| 10:13.09 | wazd | slonopotamus: damn) |
| 10:13.33 | RST38h | sighs |
| 10:14.06 | RST38h | peterbrett: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ |
| 10:14.16 | RST38h | wazd: They definitely DO NOT LIKE you =) |
| 10:14.26 | RST38h | It is getting pretty ridiculous really |
| 10:14.32 | peterbrett | Ah, thanks |
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| 10:15.15 | wazd | RST38h: yeah, I'm out of any explanations too :) |
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| 10:17.05 | timeless_mbp | decides red must be a finnish speaker |
| 10:17.33 | iDialekt | :( |
| 10:18.12 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, from the chat or did you look at the hostname? |
| 10:18.21 | Myrtti | or perhaps the channel list |
| 10:18.22 | wazd | RST38h: that's not ridiculous, that's humiliating :) |
| 10:18.41 | timeless_mbp | list of channels he's (?) in |
| 10:18.46 | RST38h | wazd: entities that are not sentient cannot humiliate =) |
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| 10:19.05 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, aw |
| 10:19.19 | Myrtti | I win |
| 10:19.35 | pupnik_ | that is the error of 'reification' - speaking as if abstract entities are actors in time. |
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| 10:19.55 | ShadowJK | I was scrolling up looking at what he said and not seeing any tell-tale finnish->english side-effects, feeling defeated I couldn't spot anything :-) |
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| 10:20.17 | ct529 | hi! does anyone know when n900 will be released and on which network? |
| 10:20.26 | Myrtti | has been released. |
| 10:20.40 | Myrtti | network would depend on what country do you want it to be on |
| 10:22.01 | ShadowJK | It does quad-band gsm and tri-band wcdma (900, 1700, 2100?)... should work on almost any network in the world, except if you're in japan or china (and some other places) where there are major networks that do not use gsm or wcdma on compatible frequencies |
| 10:22.19 | ShadowJK | US, Canada too |
| 10:22.31 | ruskie | according to your host you're UK based |
| 10:22.41 | ruskie | shouldn't it jsut work on all there? |
| 10:22.50 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i was kinda surprised myself |
| 10:23.04 | timeless_mbp | because i was about to offer enus1 to red but when i did /whois ... well |
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| 10:23.59 | ShadowJK | Someone asked to try my N900 the other day at work, and the first comment was "huh, why is it in english" |
| 10:24.09 | Myrtti | doh |
| 10:24.17 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:24.36 | timeless_mbp | what were they expecting, chinese? |
| 10:24.41 | Myrtti | finnish ofc |
| 10:24.46 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:24.46 | Hukka | It was actually surprising that it came defaulting to English and Finnish keyboard. |
| 10:24.48 | frals | :D |
| 10:25.01 | Hukka | Don't mind though, that's what I wanted. But unusual for a phone |
| 10:25.21 | ShadowJK | I'd say "Hooray for sane defaults", but I fear for my life |
| 10:25.27 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:25.39 | timeless_mbp | Hukka: so, in theory it's supposed to pick up settings from your sim |
| 10:25.40 | frals | btw, is that region detection in emailclient accurate for the rest of you? it suggest i should get a list of finnish service providers instead of swedish.. :P |
| 10:25.47 | timeless_mbp | but the keyboard behavior is kinda different |
| 10:25.57 | Hukka | timeless_mbp: Then it didn't, since my previous one was in Finnish |
| 10:26.04 | timeless_mbp | frals: is your sim finnish or swedish? |
| 10:26.09 | frals | swedish |
| 10:26.13 | timeless_mbp | (by that, i mean country, not language) |
| 10:26.19 | frals | ya |
| 10:26.20 | suihkulokki | Hukka: did you have sim in when booting first time? |
| 10:26.51 | Hukka | Hm, good question. I think I didn't, since my coworkers got their hands on it first |
| 10:26.57 | ShadowJK | I had $nativelanguage set on my Nokia E75. Each week I encountered some new dialog that took effort to decipher. The best way of decoding is to ignore what it says and consider what each word might have been originally. |
| 10:27.06 | timeless_mbp | frals: that *sounds* like a bug, i'm pretty sure it'd be nice if you filed a bug and indicated your operator and some other bits (everything from the regional control panel, and all the env vars) |
| 10:27.20 | timeless_mbp | there's actually some output somewhere in dmesg or somewhere iirc that indicates what we know about the sim |
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| 10:27.27 | timeless_mbp | which is probably what's important (not certain) |
| 10:27.39 | frals | okey, ill do that |
| 10:27.43 | red | timeless_mbp: you decide correctly :P |
| 10:28.07 | ct529 | Myrtti: I am in UK .... |
| 10:28.07 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: there's your linguistic evidence :) |
| 10:28.11 | timeless_mbp | (decide_d_) |
| 10:28.18 | ct529 | Myrtti: I was interested in doing some development on it |
| 10:28.29 | timeless_mbp | (and not the stem a native speaker would have chosen) |
| 10:28.54 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 10:29.04 | Hukka | Talking about SIM import, would have been nice if N900 would have asked which way my contacs are written (familyname first or second...) |
| 10:29.05 | ct529 | ruskie: yes, I am |
| 10:29.11 | timeless_mbp | red: anyway, the context for this is that enus1/engb1 have a label for the vibration which actually makes sense |
| 10:29.25 | ruskie | ct529, have you checked store.nokia.co.uk yet ? they are offering it iirc |
| 10:29.26 | timeless_mbp | Hukka: hrm |
| 10:29.37 | timeless_mbp | what did it actually do? |
| 10:29.57 | timeless_mbp | (and again, i think that'd be a nice bug to have, although it'll probably land as FiH instead of FiFsvc) |
| 10:30.04 | ct529 | ruskie: nope .... they say to preorder it without giving any potential delivery date .... and it does not say if it is going to be offered on any network .... |
| 10:30.09 | Hukka | timeless_mbp: I had names written in style of "Surname Firstname" and it imported them all taking the surname as the first name and vice versa |
| 10:30.10 | red | timeless_mbp: yeah it was quite self-explanatory when I knew what I wanted to disable. I think I saw it the first time when going through configs, but didn't understand what it actually did :P |
| 10:30.11 | Myrtti | ct529: mobilefun.co.uk, nokiaretail.co.uk etc. |
| 10:30.15 | ShadowJK | timeless, does it also have a more descriptive string for "Power saving mode"? |
| 10:30.23 | Hukka | Which mixed the ordering majorly |
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| 10:30.29 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: um |
| 10:30.31 | timeless_mbp | good question |
| 10:30.55 | ct529 | Myrtti: ruskie: thanks |
| 10:31.01 | ct529 | ruskie: Myrtti: is there a SDK for Maemo that can be used on Linux desktop? |
| 10:31.15 | Hukka | ct529: The only one... |
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| 10:31.27 | Myrtti | ct529: most certainly there is |
| 10:31.57 | ct529 | Hukka: the only one? |
| 10:32.10 | ruskie | yeah |
| 10:32.21 | Hukka | ct529: There is SDK only for Linux. If you want to dev under Windows you need to run a virtualized Linux under it |
| 10:32.23 | red | peterbrett: I have butterfly going wacky on me aswell. If someone adds me in msn, I cannot start a convo with any online contact until I reboot |
| 10:32.23 | ruskie | the one sdk that is there is for GNU/Linux systems ;) |
| 10:32.24 | ct529 | whops .... mobilephone.co.uk lists it at £400 realease in january .... ouch .... |
| 10:32.27 | red | I can reply once messaged thought |
| 10:32.49 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: sadly, it appears that it does not |
| 10:33.22 | red | same problem if I roam with msn online, it gets jammed :P |
| 10:33.22 | timeless_mbp | goes to find the ui element |
| 10:33.22 | ct529 | ruskie: Hukka: thanks, I had not understood what you meant .... |
| 10:33.22 | Myrtti | ct529: oo, cheap |
| 10:33.32 | timeless_mbp | oh right |
| 10:33.46 | timeless_mbp | takes this moment to beat Exchange Server with a brick |
| 10:33.51 | red | think I'll go ahead and change my phone language to english |
| 10:33.52 | ct529 | we use kde/kontact on client side + egw with groupdav on server side, so it seems Maemo makes sense .... |
| 10:34.02 | red | most apps are that way already so no point sticking with Finglish |
| 10:34.20 | Hukka | I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually, but where is the desktop data saved? Which icons are there, at which locations and widget configurations? |
| 10:34.24 | timeless_mbp | it is going to send me an email *every* day, until i get my mailbox size under 90%, telling me my mailbox is almost full |
| 10:34.33 | Hukka | It doesn't seem to be a file anywhere, so my next guess is gconf |
| 10:35.21 | Myrtti | timeless_mbp: fail-o-rama |
| 10:35.21 | Hukka | I'd like to create shortcuts for xterm that immediately launch ssh |
| 10:35.34 | ShadowJK | ime the administrator eventually notices and deletes email for you |
| 10:36.28 | Myrtti | Hukka: http://www.matkapuhelininfo.com/keskustelu/showpost.php?p=1058184286&postcount=945 apparently has some info |
| 10:36.42 | Myrtti | :-< |
| 10:36.50 | Myrtti | I broke a nail AGAIN |
| 10:36.58 | Hukka | Myrtti: I was reading that thread too, but was only on page 11 :) |
| 10:37.00 | Myrtti | moar coffee |
| 10:37.04 | Hukka | It's huge... |
| 10:37.18 | suihkulokki | what we really want is a ssh ui which allows adding shortcuts to specific hosts on desktop |
| 10:37.24 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki++ |
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| 10:37.28 | flux | hukka, it might be simpler to create an application for it (I _think_ it's just placing a description file into /usr/share/somewhere) |
| 10:37.31 | Hukka | Myrtti: But it seems that the poster has the same exact need as I :) |
| 10:38.20 | Hukka | flux: It seems like this is exactly what the linked post does |
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| 10:41.19 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: that shouldn't be too hard |
| 10:41.24 | anidel | hi there |
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| 10:42.55 | JoshTriplett1 | andre__: ping? |
| 10:43.49 | timeless_mbp | good morningish |
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| 10:50.15 | ShadowJK | yay, no work until wednesday |
| 10:50.37 | Stskeeps | snow? |
| 10:50.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:51.14 | ShadowJK | the "you can't carry over vacation days to the next year"-crunch |
| 10:51.15 | Hukka | Myrtti: Hmh, doesn't work, and hard to say why |
| 10:51.27 | Hukka | The option doesn't appear in the shortcut menu |
| 10:51.37 | ShadowJK | "but don't use them at christmas when everyone else also wants to" |
| 10:51.49 | andre__ | JoshTriplett1, pong |
| 10:51.49 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:51.52 | ShadowJK | and .fi never stops for snow :) |
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| 10:52.11 | JoshTriplett1 | andre__: 2 things. First, GeneralAntilles suggested I poke you about getting canconfirm/editbugs on the Maemo Bugzilla, so that I can help triage bugs and such. |
| 10:52.33 | ShadowJK | considers spending his free time on another go at wrangling mplayer-neon out of the sdk |
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| 10:56.03 | Hukka | nm, spellibg errors in config |
| 10:56.09 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, sounds good. mom |
| 10:56.17 | JoshTriplett | andre__: Thanks! |
| 10:57.10 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, seen http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad#Triaging ? |
| 10:58.27 | red | I always get a heartattack @ reboot seeing half empty desktops |
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| 10:58.46 | JoshTriplett | andre__: I have, yes. I don't necessarily plan to do so much triage that I need to automate the giving of stock answers, though. :) I mostly want to have the ability to triage a bug when I run into it and know it ought to get duped/brainstormed/product-changed. |
| 10:58.53 | lardman | morning all |
| 10:58.59 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, ah, I see :) |
| 10:59.15 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, very welcome and appreciated, thanks! |
| 11:00.02 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, but what was the second thing? :) |
| 11:00.12 | JoshTriplett | andre__: Permission bits show up now, thanks. |
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| 11:01.09 | andre__ | sure. thank *you* |
| 11:01.40 | JoshTriplett | andre__: I wondered if you might be the right person to ask regarding bug 6334. I have an N900 with the random reboot problems, and I wondered if I could do anything in particular to help the debugging efforts. |
| 11:01.41 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 random reboots |
| 11:01.47 | JoshTriplett | I've posted the information requested in the bug already, but I'll gladly try any other debugging technique that might help. |
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| 11:02.29 | JoshTriplett | andre__: Thus far, it arrived today, and it has rebooted a few dozen times. That hasn't stopped me from loving everything *else* about it, but... |
| 11:03.17 | JoshTriplett | andre__: And about a dozen reboots ago it stopped booting, as in bug 6350; I had to reflash the rootfs to make it boot again. |
| 11:03.18 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 random reboot bricks device |
| 11:03.27 | X-Fade | JoshTriplett: It is a weird bug as I have lost of weird stuff installed and my devices never reboot. |
| 11:03.39 | X-Fade | s/lost/lots/ |
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| 11:04.03 | JoshTriplett | Heh, I've never actually seen a bot that interpreted s///. |
| 11:04.14 | JoshTriplett | Nice. |
| 11:04.22 | JoshTriplett | X-Fade: Whereas my reboots started well before I installed anything. |
| 11:04.32 | X-Fade | JoshTriplett: Yeah, really weird. |
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| 11:04.49 | ct529 | I think I will download the SDK .... has anyone tried to install it on other devices apart N900? |
| 11:04.55 | ct529 | (unofficially) |
| 11:05.01 | Stskeeps | maemo itself? |
| 11:05.03 | JoshTriplett | The one thing I can't easily remember: whether I enabled Wifi before the first reboot occurred. I don't *think* I did, but I might have. |
| 11:05.06 | Stskeeps | ~mer |
| 11:05.15 | infobot | i heard mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 11:05.15 | Stskeeps | and the maemo-on-omap project |
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| 11:06.29 | JoshTriplett | andre__: Feel free to just say "no, I can't help with that". But I figured that as debugging goes, it helps to interactively poke at things with a user who has the problem. Though, naturally, it doesn't seem to have rebooted itself in the last hour or so; reverse demo gods. :) |
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| 11:07.18 | X-Fade | JoshTriplett: Try things like flightmode, on/off charger, with sim, without sim? |
| 11:07.45 | red | i've misplaced my stylus again |
| 11:08.01 | red | wonder how long until i will lose it haha |
| 11:08.05 | BernardV | JoshTriplett: My 2nd N900 also rebooted about every hour, but it couldn't be wifi because that was broken :) |
| 11:09.04 | JoshTriplett | BernardV: 2nd? |
| 11:09.10 | JoshTriplett | Dare I ask what happened to the first? ;) |
| 11:09.15 | JoshTriplett | X-Fade: Thus far, I've had it reboot both while idle and not touching it, while bringing it out of idle, and while actively using it. No particular userspace application causes it; in fact, I've had it happen while at the desktop and not running anything. |
| 11:09.16 | BernardV | Yeah I have my 3rd now in one week |
| 11:09.22 | BernardV | First had a broken mic |
| 11:09.25 | JoshTriplett | X-Fade: I haven't tried flightmode, or without a SIM. |
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| 11:09.37 | JoshTriplett | X-Fade: I *have* had it happen on and off the charger, IIRC. |
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| 11:10.11 | ct529 | Stskeeps: it does not look like it is connected with running Maemo on other portable devices, but with running Freemantle on N8xx devices ..., |
| 11:10.13 | X-Fade | JoshTriplett: It is just to find out what can trigger it. Try as many different things ;) |
| 11:10.16 | ct529 | Stskeeps: whatever Freematnle is |
| 11:10.18 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, I also have no idea with that report. Nokia is investigating, but it's... difficult. I have never seen it myself either :-( |
| 11:10.24 | Stskeeps | ct529: Fremantle is Maemo5.0 |
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| 11:10.36 | Stskeeps | ct529: and it's connected to other portable devices, but primary people are n8x0 users |
| 11:10.41 | BernardV | But the reboot..if I recall correctly I always had network connection when it happend (gprs) |
| 11:10.53 | Stskeeps | ct529: it runs on a Nintendo Wii.. |
| 11:10.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:10.56 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, but feel free to share your impressions (especially ehat *cannot* be the reasons, hehe) in that report... |
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| 11:11.02 | slonopotamus | argh |
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| 11:11.16 | slonopotamus | how i switch language on n900? |
| 11:11.23 | JoshTriplett | andre__: If this continues for the next couple of days, I'll probably have to exchange my device; I don't know if I can count on it as a primary phone if this continues. If I *do* have to return it, anything in particular I can do to make sure it ends up in a developer's hands? ;) |
| 11:11.39 | frals | menu -> settings -> regional and language -> |
| 11:11.50 | BernardV | slonopotamus: settings -> language & region |
| 11:11.53 | frals | language & region* |
| 11:11.58 | slonopotamus | no, i mean, during typing |
| 11:12.04 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: text input |
| 11:12.09 | slonopotamus | it has 2 langs configured |
| 11:12.09 | timeless_mbp | enable a second language |
| 11:12.10 | ct529 | Stskeeps: :D .... no very portable (cannot imagine going aorund with a WII in my pocket ) :D |
| 11:12.19 | JoshTriplett | andre__: Assuming it reproduces without a SIM card and without wifi, both of which which I can try to test at some point, then it ought to remain reproducible with the same device. |
| 11:12.19 | slonopotamus | enabled already |
| 11:12.20 | timeless_mbp | sym-at |
| 11:12.22 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, none that I know... I know of at least one Nokian who also has such a broken device and already gave it to developers |
| 11:12.25 | timeless_mbp | err sym-space |
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| 11:12.27 | JoshTriplett | OK. |
| 11:12.29 | timeless_mbp | or ctrl-space, whatever |
| 11:12.33 | slonopotamus | omfg |
| 11:12.34 | timeless_mbp | top left button + space |
| 11:12.42 | JoshTriplett | andre__: And did it stay broken, or magically fix itself when a developer laid hands on it? ;) |
| 11:12.44 | andre__ | JosefAssad, so, yeah, they investigate. however, of course there could be several reasons why this happens :-/ |
| 11:12.48 | andre__ | argh. JoshTriplett ^ |
| 11:12.52 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, and how i was supposed to figure that out? |
| 11:12.59 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: there's a user guide |
| 11:13.03 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, hehe, only thing I know is that they are working on it... |
| 11:13.10 | timeless_mbp | you should ask "how am i supposed to find the user guide" |
| 11:13.31 | ct529 | Stskeeps: I thought more like porting to things like HTC Hero or netbooks |
| 11:13.39 | JoshTriplett | Yeah, bug 6334 has all the signs of a bug report with a sufficiently generic description to make everyone with a remotely similar problem chime in and confuse things. |
| 11:13.39 | timeless_mbp | perhaps a more interesting question is: how does it decide which language to use |
| 11:13.41 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 random reboots |
| 11:13.46 | JoshTriplett | And it'll only get worse until fixed. |
| 11:13.51 | slonopotamus | meh :) i watched through quickstart video. it said 'that's all you need to know to use n900' |
| 11:13.56 | timeless_mbp | given that hardware keyboard languages and software keyboard languages are unrelated |
| 11:14.13 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: yeah, um, remind me to shoot someone :( |
| 11:14.21 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: there's a maemo5ui team section on youtube |
| 11:14.27 | timeless_mbp | you need to watch all the videos there |
| 11:14.31 | timeless_mbp | (seriously) |
| 11:14.42 | JoshTriplett | andre__: Oh, and I just remembered, it definitely happened while away from home today, which means it happened while *not* associated with any wifi network. So, that partly rules out wifi, though it could still happen that wifi AP scanning causes problems. |
| 11:15.09 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, i can't configure wifi because i need english input for password :D |
| 11:15.35 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: well, you'll have to find the userguide on your own :( |
| 11:15.46 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: do us a favor, call nokia care |
| 11:15.50 | timeless_mbp | and complain about these things |
| 11:15.58 | timeless_mbp | specifically this problem with wifi |
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| 11:16.02 | timeless_mbp | don't mention any knowledge |
| 11:16.07 | timeless_mbp | act like a normal end user |
| 11:16.31 | timeless_mbp | indicate that you watched the how to video that came with your device, etc |
| 11:16.37 | timeless_mbp | just like you did here, but to them |
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| 11:18.04 | JoshTriplett | andre__: Well, thanks for the update. I'll toss a bit more info into the bug. One question: have any of the analyses progressed far enough to figure out if this represents a hardware or software problem? Since it happens with some hardware devices and not others, that would seem to point at hardware... |
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| 11:18.56 | timeless_mbp | (cool, finnish banks are on strike |
| 11:20.33 | Myrtti | timeless_mbp: remains to be seen are the hampsters that power the internet banking on strike too |
| 11:20.53 | timeless_mbp | it sounds like it's a possibility |
| 11:21.04 | timeless_mbp | great country you've got here |
| 11:21.23 | andre__ | JoshTriplett, not that I know |
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| 11:22.44 | Myrtti | timeless_mbp: apart from the strike season things work pretty well in comparison to some other countries... |
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| 11:26.28 | lbt_ | timeless_mbp: hmm in the last few weeks finnish pilots, ground crew and now bankers have been on strike.... is the skiing good atm or something? |
| 11:26.54 | timeless_mbp | no mountains |
| 11:26.56 | timeless_mbp | and no snow |
| 11:27.17 | timeless_mbp | ok, a dusting which was collected into an incredibly tiny hill at the bottom of kaampi |
| 11:27.42 | timeless_mbp | lbt_: it might be that they can't strike during christmas |
| 11:27.45 | timeless_mbp | and want attn |
| 11:28.33 | lbt_ | iceskating? |
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| 11:29.43 | adeus | why would the strike during christmas |
| 11:29.57 | adeus | either they're on holiday or get triple salary |
| 11:30.31 | Myrtti | have you heard the latest though |
| 11:30.43 | Myrtti | the union issued a warning of a strike on ICT sector |
| 11:31.20 | Myrtti | the planned schedule is apparently on 28th Dec - 2nd Jan 2010 |
| 11:31.24 | Myrtti | I lol'd |
| 11:32.03 | adeus | it's easy to strike when no ones around |
| 11:32.23 | ShadowJK | wait what, banks on strike? |
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| 11:32.36 | adeus | yes |
| 11:32.37 | VDVsx | jeremiah, ping |
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| 11:32.45 | aSIMULAtor | Erto? |
| 11:32.52 | adeus | that too |
| 11:32.57 | ShadowJK | I should maybe switch on TV more often than once every 3 years |
| 11:33.03 | ShadowJK | All banks? just some banks? |
| 11:33.05 | adeus | all |
| 11:33.17 | adeus | or was it just nordea |
| 11:33.31 | ShadowJK | huh. is it a one-day strike or are they striking until their demands are met or something |
| 11:33.40 | aSIMULAtor | http://www.erto.fi/ajankohtaista/tietoalantyotaistelu/brieflyinenglish |
| 11:33.41 | VDVsx | bank accounts in Switzerland ftw :D |
| 11:33.44 | adeus | no, all |
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| 11:34.00 | Stskeeps | sure hopes nordea poland isn't |
| 11:34.00 | Myrtti | shdb: on Monday |
| 11:34.04 | Myrtti | gah |
| 11:34.08 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: on monday |
| 11:34.11 | adeus | only the brick stores are closed so it doesn't effect anything :P |
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| 11:34.19 | adeus | net bank and atms work |
| 11:34.28 | JoshTriplett | andre__: Silly question, because I don't know enough about the software architecture of how Maemo 5 boots: when a 32wd_to reboot occurs, does the kernel's printk time normally remain fixed over the reboot? Because I have uptime 5 minutes, but dmesg gives times like 14558.985382. |
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| 11:35.20 | andre__ | JoshTriplett: no clue at all here |
| 11:35.25 | JoshTriplett | OK. |
| 11:35.37 | ShadowJK | I remember the last time banks were on strike, was probably 80s... I think there was warning beforhand, and the expectations that it would take ages, because society seemed to convert to entirely cash-based for the duration.. Employers paid in cash etc :-) |
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| 11:36.33 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:36.52 | ruskie | I'm hearing something similar happening here for banks on strike |
| 11:37.19 | ShadowJK | TV and radio striked too, though I dont remember if it was at the same time as the banks, all you could get was this looping clip of a musicbox. On all tv channels, all radio channels. The tune still haunts me today.. |
| 11:37.34 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:37.44 | ruskie | so many things to watch on the net nowadays |
| 11:37.56 | ruskie | I think if they really did go on strik it would be for the better actually(TV and radio) |
| 11:38.09 | ShadowJK | yeah but this was before internets :) |
| 11:38.16 | ruskie | yeah I'm aware of that |
| 11:38.24 | ruskie | still books are alawys an alternative :) |
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| 11:38.49 | ShadowJK | let's just hope the librarians don't strike at the same time |
| 11:38.58 | ruskie | not a big loss ;) |
| 11:39.00 | ruskie | ebooks :) |
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| 11:39.22 | ruskie | spent 1000 eur on two gadgets this year... |
| 11:39.22 | ShadowJK | and there are VCRs these days too!.. and whatever came after those |
| 11:39.32 | ruskie | N900 and Hanlin Jinke V3 eink reader |
| 11:39.42 | glass_ | betamaxes |
| 11:39.45 | arachnist | lets see... |
| 11:40.09 | arachnist | N900, thinkpad x300, openrd-client, sennheiser hd595..... |
| 11:40.15 | ShadowJK | Myrtti, so is it just monday? |
| 11:40.23 | arachnist | (and, ofcourse, a new desktop) |
| 11:40.27 | ruskie | arachnist, I only meant those two toghtere.. I had other purchases as well ;) |
| 11:40.41 | ruskie | new mb and phenom II X3 705e ;) |
| 11:40.50 | ruskie | actually two new systems this year |
| 11:40.51 | arachnist | ruskie: i only meant to say that i spend too much |
| 11:40.52 | ShadowJK | how's the openrd-client? |
| 11:40.55 | ruskie | one at the start and one now :) |
| 11:41.02 | ruskie | ahh |
| 11:41.05 | Markus23 | nearly all shops ordered n900 but don't have it, unbelievable |
| 11:41.05 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: three days |
| 11:41.06 | arachnist | ShadowJK: nice as a router/torrent-box |
| 11:41.07 | ruskie | well money is for spending |
| 11:41.27 | ruskie | ow and of course two atom mini itx boards |
| 11:41.31 | ruskie | single and dual-core |
| 11:41.36 | ruskie | one for router the other for server |
| 11:41.48 | ruskie | omg... I did buy a lot this year |
| 11:41.59 | ruskie | though I don't think I went over 2k yet |
| 11:42.12 | arachnist | i'm sure i did |
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| 11:42.53 | arachnist | the desktop and new 22" for it would be quite close to 2k |
| 11:43.00 | ShadowJK | spent 7000 on car |
| 11:43.42 | ruskie | rather sure I didn't... the atom stuff was ~250 eur, both systems 250 eur... 620 for the n900, 300 for the V3, 40 eur for the headphones hmm |
| 11:43.47 | ruskie | I think that's the lot |
| 11:44.06 | Myrtti | I spent the amount of money needed to buy a N900 to a mattress and a topper for it. |
| 11:44.35 | ruskie | hmm anyone have any clue how long the battery should last while listening to internet radio over 3g? |
| 11:45.13 | ShadowJK | ruskie, if it does 3 hours i'd be impressed |
| 11:45.24 | Lupu | Any tips as to where I can get libgles1-sgx-img-common to be able to try out Quake III Arena on the N900? |
| 11:45.44 | ruskie | maybe fremantle/sdk ? |
| 11:45.49 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I must have listened to internet radio over wifi for 2 hours yesterday, and the battery held out until the end of the day |
| 11:46.10 | lbt_ | waits for the internet pixies to go on strike |
| 11:46.14 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:46.25 | arachnist | hmmm |
| 11:46.25 | ruskie | if that happens the world grinds to a halt |
| 11:46.52 | ruskie | need to start setting up personal N nodes to have connectivity even when everything else goes foobarf |
| 11:46.58 | lbt_ | offers the pixies a cookie |
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| 11:49.09 | Lupu | ruskie: By that do you mean I need to install the full SDK on the PC to get it? *confused* |
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| 11:50.28 | Hukka | Has there been any talk on what will be the multimedia framework when QT is the main toolkit? |
| 11:51.22 | ruskie | Lupu, add the sdk repo to the device and search there? |
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| 11:51.39 | ruskie | I do hope both QT and GTK will be around not just one or the other |
| 11:52.04 | arachnist | i wouldn't mind if gtk was dropped ;) |
| 11:52.06 | Lupu | ruskie: Ok, that makes significantly more sense. I didn't know of that repository, thanks. |
| 11:52.11 | arachnist | </troll> |
| 11:52.42 | SpeedEvil | Hukka: pulseaudios creators are doing a special multimedia QT stack. |
| 11:52.56 | VDVsx | oh my |
| 11:53.01 | ruskie | Lupu, hmm I don't actually see it and I have it |
| 11:53.10 | ruskie | erm I have the repo that is |
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| 11:53.21 | VDVsx | SpeedEvil, do you have links for that ? :) |
| 11:53.21 | zaheerm | SpeedEvil, you sure you mean pulseaudio's creators? |
| 11:53.28 | ruskie | Lupu, do see: libgles1-sgx-img opengles-sgx-img-common |
| 11:53.47 | zaheerm | SpeedEvil, i was told the qt mobility people are doing it |
| 11:53.49 | Hukka | SpeedEvil: But PA is only audio, or are they planning something with video too? |
| 11:53.51 | ruskie | Lupu, and that's in the nokia-binaries repo |
| 11:54.12 | Hukka | SpeedEvil: More specifically I'm interested is gst going to stay or be changed |
| 11:54.27 | Lupu | ruskie: I already added the repo behind this link -- http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php |
| 11:54.28 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. |
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| 11:54.42 | Lupu | ruskie: Still no installation candidate. |
| 11:54.43 | SpeedEvil | I was attempting comedy. |
| 11:55.02 | VDVsx | SpeedEvil, ehehe |
| 11:55.08 | SpeedEvil | Hukka: yeah - nebulous plans with 'it's all changing, and it'll be shiny!!!' aren't great. |
| 11:55.09 | ruskie | Lupu, so none of those two satisfy it: libgles1-sgx-img opengles-sgx-img-common |
| 11:55.13 | ruskie | ? |
| 11:55.26 | VDVsx | if IIRC gstreamer will be used in m6 |
| 11:55.32 | VDVsx | checks |
| 11:55.56 | VDVsx | yup :http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/maemo-harmattan-qt-and-more |
| 11:55.58 | Myrtti | I love the internets <2 |
| 11:56.00 | Myrtti | ⥠even |
| 11:56.15 | zaheerm | gstreamer will be used, yes |
| 11:56.23 | Myrtti | http://pastebin.com/m2334318 ⥠⥠⥠|
| 11:56.29 | zaheerm | but they want to add a qt friendly wrapper for easy shit |
| 11:57.09 | Hukka | Hm |
| 11:57.10 | zaheerm | which is probably going to be a failure like phonon was, and get deprecated for m7 |
| 11:57.21 | VDVsx | zaheerm, lol |
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| 11:57.35 | Hukka | Are the needed components to bring QT and gst together on M5 already here? |
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| 11:57.55 | zaheerm | Hukka, yes, gstreamer is a c library so can be used by any c++ app including qt apps |
| 11:57.57 | Hukka | If it's supported, might as well start developing against that, since it will be the new thing |
| 11:58.04 | VDVsx | zaheerm, phonon is still present in Qt 4.6 |
| 11:58.14 | zaheerm | VDVsx, phonon is deprecated in 4.6 |
| 11:58.29 | Hukka | zaheerm: Well, yes in principle, but there's doable and sensible |
| 11:58.42 | nomis | Mhm, I am stuck in the maps application. |
| 11:58.44 | VDVsx | zaheerm, humm, http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.6/examples-multimedia.html |
| 11:58.56 | Hukka | And I have a vague feeling that gst and phonon people don't get along that well |
| 11:59.07 | Lupu | ruskie: libgles1-sgx-img: Depends: opengles-sgx-img-common (= 0.20090218.55.9+0m5) but 0.20091104.6+0m5 is to be installed |
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| 11:59.19 | Hukka | Wow, phonon going away? What happened, isn't it quite new anyway? |
| 11:59.34 | Hukka | (I don't really follow the desktop linux world...) |
| 11:59.38 | zaheerm | it is not going away, it'll be on life support |
| 12:00.12 | zaheerm | active stuff will be on the multimedia stuff in qtmobility |
| 12:00.33 | ruskie | Lupu, maybe will need to wait for an upgrade then |
| 12:00.39 | VDVsx | for reference new stuff is here: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/multimedia |
| 12:01.30 | Hukka | VDVsx, zaheerm: Do you have any hints on where to find discussion about the reasoning and plans? |
| 12:01.54 | VDVsx | Hukka, I think is there a Qt mobility list/forum |
| 12:02.17 | Lupu | ruskie: Alright, thanks. |
| 12:02.24 | VDVsx | Hukka, more info and some rants here:http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/09/03/multimedia/ |
| 12:02.30 | zaheerm | Hukka, also phonon is basically just a playback api at present |
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| 12:03.03 | zaheerm | Hukka, and qtmobility's multimedia plans to handle capture and other non playback stuff |
| 12:03.09 | Hukka | zaheerm: Ok. I've just seen some news headers at Ars Technica or like that amount to "Wow, Phonon is so great and does your dishes too!" |
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| 12:03.31 | RST38h | moos diabolically |
| 12:03.35 | Hukka | And then promptly ignored them "Blah, kde... ion for me!" :) |
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| 12:03.57 | VDVsx | moos back |
| 12:04.03 | Hukka | But it seems that now that I have the N900 here, I can't avoid the desktop world anymore :) |
| 12:04.08 | SpeedEvil | samples RST38h for moobox. |
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| 12:04.14 | zaheerm | i guess we'll see wrt qtmobility's work whether it will be decent enough |
| 12:04.16 | RST38h | feeds Phonon architects to the Tentacled One, saying "serves you well, you megalomanicala motherfuckers" |
| 12:04.26 | VDVsx | did someone attended the Qt mobility presentation at the summit ? |
| 12:04.35 | RST38h | Heya VDVsx |
| 12:04.46 | zaheerm | Hukka, personally as a developer, i would just use gstreamer's api..that will work on m5, m6 and probably m7 too |
| 12:05.10 | ccooke | Morning, all |
| 12:05.24 | Hukka | zaheerm: Can't hurt to at least understand it, then. Thank you for the recommendation |
| 12:05.26 | zaheerm | VDVsx, i missed that, didn't know there was one |
| 12:05.38 | VDVsx | ah no slides |
| 12:05.46 | peterbrett | I hope Maemo 6 has a Plasma-based desktop : |
| 12:05.47 | Hukka | Slides are evil anyway. |
| 12:06.00 | Hukka | I wish all conference talks were actually recorded, but no :/ |
| 12:06.03 | VDVsx | I was in the 770 room in the bluez 'hacking' session |
| 12:06.17 | ShadowJK | plasma... that brought my quad core computer to its knees |
| 12:06.38 | zaheerm | VDVsx, how easy is it to add profiles? is there any documentation on doing that? |
| 12:06.59 | VDVsx | zaheerm, maemo5 ? |
| 12:06.59 | zaheerm | VDVsx, i want badly to be able to expose call log and contacts to my car's bluetooth |
| 12:07.16 | zaheerm | VDVsx, yes maemo5... |
| 12:07.25 | peterbrett | ShadowJK: well, sucks to be you. :-P |
| 12:07.34 | VDVsx | zaheerm, depends if it works under bluez-linux is not that difficult |
| 12:07.38 | slonopotamus | so. no xchat for fremantle? |
| 12:07.47 | VDVsx | ie bluez upstream |
| 12:07.47 | frals | its in -devel |
| 12:07.58 | lardman | Hukka: recording went wrong |
| 12:08.04 | ruskie | slonopotamus, it's in extras-devel |
| 12:08.07 | lbt_ | Hukka: qt4.6 is on tech preview on N900 already |
| 12:08.12 | slonopotamus | frade, ruskie , thx |
| 12:08.14 | ShadowJK | (and don't try to change settings, it crashes) |
| 12:08.17 | Hukka | lardman: Ah. Well, they tried. |
| 12:08.18 | frals | judging by what ive seen from you earlier i assume you know it might be buggy... yaddayadda ;) |
| 12:08.26 | lbt_ | oh, sorry I was scrollbacked |
| 12:08.39 | Hukka | lbt_: Yes, I had that impression though I wasn't that far yet. And I was planning on using that |
| 12:08.45 | SpeedEvil | Is there any application to take 'rawer' - ideally raw - but I'm unsure if he hardware can do that - pics/ |
| 12:08.50 | SpeedEvil | full-sized pics |
| 12:08.52 | Hukka | Though that will also depend on pyside |
| 12:09.01 | Hukka | I'd prefer to use python for as much as I can |
| 12:09.11 | lbt_ | Hukka: *nod* |
| 12:09.22 | lbt_ | is more c++ but that may change on n900 |
| 12:09.23 | VDVsx | OT: does anyone knows a good FFT lib in C++ ? :) |
| 12:09.35 | ruskie | SpeedEvil, there's a topic on talk about that iirc... DSLR like controls I believe the topic is named |
| 12:09.46 | lbt_ | VDVsx: by definition ... no |
| 12:09.55 | lbt_ | use a C one with wrappers :) |
| 12:10.09 | lbt_ | FFT is not OO :) |
| 12:10.13 | lardman | I've not got round to doing fftw, sorry |
| 12:10.17 | ruskie | hmm odd... I have a contact with a birthday... and when I first imported it I saw the birthday icon in the calendar now I don't. |
| 12:10.23 | lardman | is next on the list after LAPACK |
| 12:10.34 | lardman | VDVsx: what are you going to do with it? |
| 12:10.47 | VDVsx | lbt_, remember the name ? |
| 12:11.04 | VDVsx | lardman, it's for my thesis |
| 12:11.15 | lardman | ah ok |
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| 12:11.51 | slonopotamus | do i have to have SIM-card installed to import contacts? |
| 12:11.55 | lardman | well I hope to get fftw compiled and in extras-devel by the end of the week |
| 12:12.09 | VDVsx | lardman, cool :) |
| 12:12.16 | lbt_ | yeah http://www.fftw.org/ |
| 12:12.59 | VDVsx | thanks lardman and lbt :) |
| 12:13.14 | hrw | slonopotamus: no, I merged contacts from s60 via BT without having sim in n900 |
| 12:13.32 | slonopotamus | for some reason n900 fails to get contacts from my nokia 3110c |
| 12:13.53 | lbt_ | slonopotamus: me too |
| 12:14.00 | lbt_ | PITA |
| 12:14.09 | slonopotamus | no syncml?! |
| 12:14.13 | lbt_ | however I got them from 3110c to LDIF format |
| 12:14.26 | slonopotamus | how? |
| 12:14.32 | lbt_ | but buggered if I can get them onto the N900 from a linux desktop |
| 12:14.37 | lbt_ | gnokki |
| 12:14.50 | slonopotamus | k |
| 12:15.11 | lbt_ | is really annoyed at the lack of linux->n900 for contacts... but... ya know... |
| 12:15.27 | lbt_ | I'm having a happy day so who cares :) |
| 12:15.33 | Hukka | I still have to figure how to get my SMSs out of the previous phone |
| 12:15.46 | Hukka | Does N900 import SMSs from the SIM? |
| 12:15.48 | lbt_ | Hukka: *nod* gnokki |
| 12:15.51 | slonopotamus | meh, so pricey phone and doesn't support syncml... |
| 12:16.07 | lbt_ | slonopotamus: I think it's the 3110 - others report success |
| 12:16.11 | Hukka | Or did my old phonw store them in phone memory (I hope it can transfer to SIM, ir it did...) |
| 12:16.20 | range | slonopotamus: It is supposed to do that, but only over USB and BT. |
| 12:16.22 | lbt_ | it does do syncml .... but not over tcp |
| 12:16.32 | plr_ | Hukka: don't know if it is possible to get them transferred to n900 |
| 12:16.41 | Hukka | lbt_: Do you mean gnokii? |
| 12:16.41 | plr_ | U haven't found a way |
| 12:16.42 | range | And it seems to have a bug somewhere. |
| 12:16.47 | lbt_ | Hukka: yeah |
| 12:16.50 | slonopotamus | 3110 happily syncs to zyb.com |
| 12:16.57 | lbt_ | I knew it had 2 somethings |
| 12:17.01 | range | So not all SyncML solutions find the n900 to be SyncML capable. |
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| 12:17.35 | slonopotamus | meh, these both are from nokia. that's a shame to be incompatible. |
| 12:18.17 | Hukka | lbt_: Hmm, I wonder... the old phone *does* have a usb connector, but the manual says it's only for repair service |
| 12:18.41 | lbt_ | waits for sparks.... |
| 12:18.46 | Hukka | It's 1650... Because my 3310 broke in September |
| 12:19.33 | slonopotamus | do you also have '9' trailer video? |
| 12:19.37 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:19.43 | slonopotamus | k |
| 12:20.14 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
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| 12:20.28 | timeless_mbp | someone was asking what rule to follow for formatting a time |
| 12:20.35 | timeless_mbp | i said "steal the code from another app" |
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| 12:20.46 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=wdgt_va_12h_time_am |
| 12:20.46 | timeless_mbp | shows how others use it |
| 12:20.47 | timeless_mbp | I'd suggest stealing code from one of them ;) |
| 12:20.47 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libhildonfm/hildon-fm/hildon-file-selection.c#2104 |
| 12:20.52 | timeless_mbp | :) |
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| 12:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, 10mW WiFi thread on Talk. |
| 12:25.25 | sejo | heh marbles is cool |
| 12:25.26 | GeneralAntilles | Troubleshooting voodoo. |
| 12:26.06 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I was wondering about that. autoreducing power till weget a certian fraction of retransmits. |
| 12:26.16 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: but that's prolly not what's talked about |
| 12:26.27 | GeneralAntilles | The 10/100mW setting is regulatory only. |
| 12:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a powersaving setting. |
| 12:26.43 | SpeedEvil | It does not affect emitted power? |
| 12:26.50 | lardman | it must save power |
| 12:26.51 | hrw | stupid question: where I can change Call/SMS ringtone? |
| 12:26.58 | GeneralAntilles | The radio spends so little time in transmission that changing the power level wont affect battery life. |
| 12:27.01 | lardman | hrw: profile iirc |
| 12:27.02 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:27.08 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're transmitting a lot. |
| 12:27.11 | iDialekt | Hi GeneralAntilles |
| 12:27.19 | hrw | lardman: thx |
| 12:27.19 | lardman | hrw: in settings, profile |
| 12:27.20 | timeless_mbp | hrw: are you using en(us|gb)? |
| 12:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | and, actually, since you're reducing your signal strength it can actually increase consumption if you're at the edge of range or having to do a lot of retransmission. |
| 12:27.29 | SpeedEvil | And in that case, you're probably going to be burning lots of power elsewhere |
| 12:27.36 | hrw | timeless_mbp: PL lang + EN/GB keyboard |
| 12:27.36 | timeless_mbp | it's in profiles, but if you use en(us|gb)1 then this is more obvious :) |
| 12:27.50 | timeless_mbp | hrw: well, if you want to switch to enus1/engb1, let me know |
| 12:27.58 | iDialekt | walks away in shame |
| 12:28.03 | hrw | timeless_mbp: looks like I need to complain about UI again |
| 12:28.03 | SpeedEvil | yeah - a megabyte at 54mbps will take less power than a megabyte at 5 |
| 12:28.05 | timeless_mbp | otherwise you get to appreciate finnish translated into english translated into polish |
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| 12:28.38 | lardman | timeless_mbp: you need to get optimising the Polish strings too! ;) |
| 12:28.57 | timeless_mbp | lardman: i need to finish polishing the english before i let people translate to other languages |
| 12:29.02 | lardman | :) |
| 12:30.12 | hrw | lardman: old joke you remind me |
| 12:30.22 | ShadowJK | even when transmitting, 100mW is minor compared to total power use by the wifi |
| 12:30.50 | hrw | Polish guy meets English guy and says: I need to polish my English. then Eng one replies: No, your English is Polish enough. |
| 12:31.38 | hrw | timeless_mbp: the problem with profile settings is that it is hard to notice that there is something under vibration settings ;( |
| 12:31.44 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: minor - but still non-zero. I could see it giving 2-3 mins more battery life in not uncommon scenarios. |
| 12:31.51 | timeless_mbp | hrw: there's a bug filed about that |
| 12:31.59 | timeless_mbp | the fix is to defenestrate the ui owner |
| 12:32.03 | timeless_mbp | or wait for konttori to become the new owner |
| 12:32.12 | timeless_mbp | which iiuc happens sometime next year |
| 12:32.13 | lardman | hrw: :) |
| 12:32.21 | hrw | timeless_mbp: bug number is? I wnt to vote for it |
| 12:32.24 | SpeedEvil | timeless: which window? |
| 12:32.24 | hrw | -> food |
| 12:32.27 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yeah sure :) |
| 12:32.31 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: 8th floor, higher is better |
| 12:32.38 | timeless_mbp | hrw: but seriously, can i get you to try enus1? |
| 12:32.44 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: but - 2-3 mins here, 2-3 mins there... |
| 12:32.56 | lardman | defenestration is so hard these days with all the toughened glass around the place |
| 12:32.56 | GeneralAntilles | The message beeps you get while on a call really suck. |
| 12:33.01 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: and pretty soon the battery actually charges when you use it. |
| 12:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | I can never tell if it's call waiting, an SMS, email or IM. |
| 12:33.12 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: the ones for new email are really fun |
| 12:33.22 | timeless_mbp | yeah, of course i'm getting mail ever Sync Interval during a business day |
| 12:33.28 | GeneralAntilles | I notice the vibra sometimes gets a bit angry, too. |
| 12:33.51 | SpeedEvil | lardman: http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1994-02.html |
| 12:33.54 | ShadowJK | This .fi computer magazine's "wifi battery life" test is so flawed. They tested shoutcast playback, timed it until it died (fair enough). Then they concluded that in real life when browsing the internet, the battery life would be less, because the screen would also be on... lol |
| 12:34.18 | lardman | SpeedEvil: is that the guy demonstrating the unbreakable windows? |
| 12:34.24 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:34.27 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: don't we stop playing music when we turn off the screen? :) |
| 12:34.42 | lardman | ouch |
| 12:34.47 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, nope. |
| 12:34.52 | Gadgetoid_mbp | Wow, secret profile settings- yay! |
| 12:35.02 | fnordianslip | isn't using his n900 as a proper phone yet, waiting for 3 sim fix. /me wonders how many of the 300 have been using their n900 as their only phone on a daily basis |
| 12:35.06 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, videos however stop when media player loses focus |
| 12:35.20 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: i personally have |
| 12:35.40 | Gadgetoid_mbp | fnordianslip: I, too, am waiting for that fix- but my 3 sim is data only |
| 12:35.52 | tigert | ShadowJK: how is that flawed to assume that when browsing the device screen is on? |
| 12:36.00 | melmoth | since yesterday, it s my main phone |
| 12:36.20 | fnordianslip | tnx |
| 12:36.23 | Hukka | fredrin: "of the 300"? |
| 12:36.29 | GeneralAntilles | fnordianslip, me, since September. |
| 12:36.30 | Hukka | I meant fnordianslip |
| 12:36.34 | GeneralAntilles | Although I'm not a 300 member. |
| 12:36.41 | Gadgetoid_mbp | tigert: it's flawed to test a property in one usage case, then just adjust the results arbitrarily to make that result fit another entirely different usage case |
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| 12:36.49 | RST38h | Nokia's New York and Chicago Flagship Stores Closing Too |
| 12:36.51 | tigert | Gadgetoid_mbp: ah right |
| 12:36.53 | fnordianslip | GeneralAntilles: I'll let you off |
| 12:37.21 | ShadowJK | tigert, when browsing, you've got like max 10 seconds of data transfer (or however long the twitter-generation user has patience to wait for a page to load), and then several seconds of no transfer at all. In the shoutcast case, the server is sending a stream at a constant rate, keeping the wifi and CPU awake unable to sleep |
| 12:37.23 | SpeedEvil | tigert: for example - idle cpu and wifi most of the time - browsing - + backlight - may be less consumption than active wifi, audio, and cpu |
| 12:37.28 | Hukka | I don't know what "300" is, except a movie, but I've used mu N900 as my only phone since Friday |
| 12:37.31 | tigert | Gadgetoid_mbp: "we tested our running speed by walking a mile. when running, it is assumed to be faster still!" :) |
| 12:37.40 | SpeedEvil | Hukka: one of hte 300ish that got free phones |
| 12:37.57 | Gadgetoid_mbp | tigert: Sounds about right |
| 12:37.58 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, free device loans for a period of 6 months. |
| 12:38.01 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: closing? |
| 12:38.09 | Gadgetoid_mbp | but couldn't you make it a car analogy? |
| 12:38.10 | Hukka | SpeedEvil: Do I count, because mine was free; paid by company :? |
| 12:38.12 | fnordianslip | Hukka: I was thinking that the 300 have had them the longest although I've had mine for 2 weeks, so the 300 part of the question is getting pretty nugatory now |
| 12:38.18 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yes, ... |
| 12:38.30 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: 3 sim issue was known very early though |
| 12:38.33 | SpeedEvil | is using his as his only phone. |
| 12:38.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm pondering dropping my landlines. |
| 12:38.44 | fnordianslip | Hukka: he 300 were loaners given out back in september |
| 12:38.50 | Gadgetoid_mbp | I want my N900 hardware/software transplanted into my N810s chassis |
| 12:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | fnordianslip, October. |
| 12:38.58 | Hukka | N900 is a lot better than the 1650 I had before, but that was just a backup phone anyway |
| 12:39.00 | fnordianslip | Stskeeps: yep. i know. just waiting |
| 12:39.09 | fnordianslip | GeneralAntilles: oh whatever :) |
| 12:39.09 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: hopefully it should come this month |
| 12:39.11 | Hukka | Even calling with that thing was annoying due to horrible sound quality |
| 12:39.13 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: mail me both. I have duct tape and a hammer. |
| 12:39.13 | ShadowJK | fnordianslip, I switched to N900 as "carry with me" phone about 3 days after getting it... My old phone is now parked as modem for my LAN. Whether this counts as "only phone" or not I dunno :) |
| 12:39.19 | Hukka | Did have a flashlight, though |
| 12:39.22 | timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: i've been using my n900(s) as my primary phone for 4 weeks before AMS |
| 12:39.28 | timeless_mbp | including 3 weeks traveling through eastern europe |
| 12:39.34 | Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: Err.... maybe not ;) |
| 12:39.34 | sejo | anyone knaws how to solve the marbes GChapter 1 level 4? |
| 12:39.41 | fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: good to know |
| 12:39.42 | sejo | stuck on it for days now *grin* |
| 12:39.57 | timeless_mbp | sejo: i solved them on my n800 ages ago |
| 12:39.59 | SpeedEvil | sejo: I suggest trying 'enigma' |
| 12:40.06 | fnordianslip | using vodafone dongle sim currently for data only |
| 12:40.21 | SpeedEvil | sejo: It has all the fun of marbles, with added 'you can't breath' functionality |
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| 12:40.49 | thomastp | X-Fade: amazing, just got a mail that erlang built successfully |
| 12:40.50 | sejo | SpeedEvil: true? |
| 12:40.57 | sejo | looks it up in the repo |
| 12:41.06 | slonopotamus | woah. it works |
| 12:41.06 | X-Fade | thomastp: Yeah, although I needed to kill the ip test. |
| 12:41.19 | X-Fade | thomastp: It was stuck for a whole day there ;) |
| 12:41.19 | thomastp | X-Fade: oh ? how did you kill it without breaking the build ? |
| 12:41.26 | SpeedEvil | sejo: it's not very similar - it's a memory/accuracy of control game. |
| 12:41.30 | X-Fade | thomastp: Somehow yes :) |
| 12:41.36 | SpeedEvil | sejo: it is addictive though. |
| 12:41.40 | sejo | Speed I'll test |
| 12:41.41 | thomastp | X-Fade: I'm curious, how did you do that ? |
| 12:41.56 | X-Fade | Just killed the ip test processes one by one. |
| 12:42.06 | X-Fade | And then it continued. |
| 12:42.15 | sejo | timeless_mbp: you wouldn't remember how? |
| 12:42.27 | slonopotamus | err... too long |
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| 12:43.20 | timeless_mbp | sejo: roughly |
| 12:44.16 | melmoth | what is the correct repo to be able to apt-get source mail for exchange ? |
| 12:44.24 | melmoth | and what is the name of the package itself ? |
| 12:44.39 | timeless_mbp | sejo: yeah, i remember roughly how to solve it |
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| 12:46.29 | timeless_mbp | melmoth: MfE is part of nokia's packages |
| 12:46.33 | timeless_mbp | it's included in the device |
| 12:46.34 | lbt_ | sejo ... yes |
| 12:46.38 | timeless_mbp | you don't "install" it |
| 12:47.12 | Stskeeps | melmoth: not a source package |
| 12:47.26 | melmoth | :-( |
| 12:47.36 | hrw | I moved from E66 to N900 yesterday |
| 12:47.44 | sejo | lbt_: can you give me a hint? |
| 12:47.51 | timeless_mbp | sejo: yeah, i'm about solved |
| 12:47.59 | hrw | timeless_mbp: I am not so English to notice difference between engb<>engb1 probably |
| 12:47.59 | melmoth | so, all we have to see how to play with the calendar is http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/calendar-backend/classCMulticalendar.html ? |
| 12:48.00 | sejo | cool timeless_mbp |
| 12:48.01 | timeless_mbp | it requires quite a bit of bouncing :) |
| 12:48.12 | lbt_ | sejo... OK ... sec |
| 12:48.13 | melmoth | no example ? (apt-get source calendar-ui also fail) |
| 12:48.16 | hrw | melmoth: calendar.... ARGH |
| 12:48.25 | sejo | timeless_mbp: I cant seem to get them together |
| 12:48.28 | timeless_mbp | hrw: ideally the strings will just be easier for you to use |
| 12:48.43 | timeless_mbp | sejo: the trick is that you kinda need to sorta free one of them |
| 12:48.46 | timeless_mbp | which requires a visit |
| 12:48.51 | Stskeeps | melmoth: the UI things are usually not oss :P |
| 12:48.52 | hrw | timeless_mbp: I use Polish translation |
| 12:49.16 | hrw | speaking of calendar... time to report bugs against it |
| 12:49.21 | melmoth | grumble...may be i ll use gpe calendar then. |
| 12:49.23 | timeless_mbp | melmoth: mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ |
| 12:49.27 | lbt_ | get the right gold ball out by putting another ball in there |
| 12:49.27 | timeless_mbp | has the open source stuff |
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| 12:49.33 | lbt_ | sejo: ^^ |
| 12:49.39 | timeless_mbp | lbt_: that's what i said :) |
| 12:49.46 | sejo | ok |
| 12:49.54 | sejo | trying tu put another one in there |
| 12:50.03 | timeless_mbp | gets explosions from solving |
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| 12:51.27 | AndrewBlack | added a huge warning to his Blog abou Maemo-devel/Maemo-testing due to several people asking him to |
| 12:52.16 | sejo | still trying to get another ball in there :p |
| 12:54.42 | timeless_mbp | sejo: asking for too many hints ruins it |
| 12:54.47 | timeless_mbp | try to play backward |
| 12:54.56 | timeless_mbp | figure out "where would a ball land if it did land in there" |
| 12:55.04 | timeless_mbp | "where would it come from if it landed in there" |
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| 12:55.16 | timeless_mbp | "how would i get a ball positioned there so it could land there" |
| 12:55.25 | timeless_mbp | after a while, you end up at your current state |
| 12:55.32 | timeless_mbp | or a reachable state |
| 12:55.40 | sejo | timeless_mbp: true, trying all options |
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| 12:57.55 | SpeedEvil | timeless: or madness |
| 12:58.14 | timeless_mbp | i think nintendo owns marble madness |
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| 12:58.54 | hrw | 5139 5294 5477 5479 5540 5790 5954 5955 6051 6431 6521 6651 |
| 12:59.11 | hrw | those bugs already got my vote... and I am just starting |
| 12:59.12 | hrw | argh |
| 12:59.40 | timeless_mbp | hrw: did you not find the bug for the scroll indicator? |
| 12:59.57 | timeless_mbp | one copy was filed by me (probably in browser about bookmarks) |
| 13:00.02 | ShadowJK | most of them sound like nokia model numbers too |
| 13:00.09 | hrw | timeless_mbp: not yet. going though calendar now |
| 13:00.26 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: have you seen the nokia store display picture? |
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| 13:01.17 | ShadowJK | timeless: nope |
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| 13:02.18 | lbt_ | hrw ... I thought that was a marbles solution in code.... |
| 13:04.13 | hrw | ~curse brainstorm |
| 13:04.14 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, brainstorm ! |
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| 13:06.24 | timeless_mbp | pokes ShadowJK |
| 13:07.41 | arachnist | ~curse me |
| 13:07.42 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, arachnist ! |
| 13:08.23 | ShadowJK | oops |
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| 13:09.05 | ShadowJK | oh, that's awsome :-) |
| 13:09.34 | jebba | I'm going thru calendar bugs to see if there is one like "alarm should show current time, not alarm time". If you happen to see one.... |
| 13:10.09 | needzhelp | Hi |
| 13:11.05 | needzhelp | can somebody tell me what stream formats work on the N900? |
| 13:11.10 | melmoth | heuu, en c++ si j ai un objet toto , instance d une classe klass qui defini une metode plop, je l appelle comment ? toto->plop() ? toto.plop() toto::plop() ? |
| 13:11.13 | melmoth | oups |
| 13:11.41 | sejo | tot.plop() ? |
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| 13:11.46 | jebba | ah, i see, an Alarm shows current time, but an event doesnt |
| 13:12.06 | melmoth | ni luck with tot.plop() :) |
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| 13:13.21 | zash | moo.plopp() |
| 13:14.06 | lardman | what does the :: syntax mean? A static object? |
| 13:14.24 | lardman | needs to dig out a C++ book |
| 13:14.27 | Stskeeps | andre__: wow, they fixed a sb-ism |
| 13:14.29 | Stskeeps | is impressed |
| 13:14.38 | anidel | hey lardman |
| 13:14.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=403284 Ah, finally. |
| 13:14.54 | lardman | hi anidel |
| 13:15.00 | anidel | was trying Latitude as on the Google Latitude thread... |
| 13:15.05 | derf | lardman: :: is the scoping operator. |
| 13:15.15 | andre__ | Stskeeps, looks like they have some time now |
| 13:15.17 | anidel | doesn't seem to get the position on mine.. weird.. |
| 13:15.18 | lardman | derf: hmm, ok, need to read a book |
| 13:15.25 | lardman | anidel: really? |
| 13:15.31 | lardman | anidel: doesn't get your position? |
| 13:15.33 | anidel | lardman: I've installed maemo-geolocation |
| 13:15.48 | derf | class::member means lookup "member" from the given class. |
| 13:15.57 | lardman | derf: ah ok |
| 13:15.58 | anidel | lardman: and then started the browser using your link.. but it can't find automatically my location |
| 13:16.14 | derf | ::something means lookup "something" from the global scope. |
| 13:16.20 | lardman | anidel: there's a test page for the geolocation stuff, might be worth checking it's returning something |
| 13:16.50 | anidel | will check that |
| 13:16.50 | timeless_mbp | anidel: afaiu latitude doesn't work |
| 13:16.51 | derf | There's also namespaces, which use the same syntax. |
| 13:16.58 | timeless_mbp | but i could be wrong |
| 13:17.05 | hrw | ok, wrote long part about beloved brainstorm and why I hate it. now time to write something maybe more positive |
| 13:17.08 | timeless_mbp | maps/facebook should work |
| 13:17.18 | timeless_mbp | hrw: you're positive it's useless? :) |
| 13:17.20 | anidel | timeless: according to Qole it does: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=419444&postcount=60 |
| 13:17.27 | lardman | anidel: http://browserspy.dk/geolocation.php might work, not sure |
| 13:17.28 | timeless_mbp | anidel: wow |
| 13:17.40 | lardman | timeless_mbp: does for me |
| 13:17.42 | lardman | and for Jaffa |
| 13:17.57 | timeless_mbp | ok, so um |
| 13:18.07 | timeless_mbp | goes to find the isntructions for installing mameo-location |
| 13:18.11 | hrw | timeless_mbp: no, next part of post will touch PIM |
| 13:18.11 | timeless_mbp | s/isn/ins/ |
| 13:18.11 | lardman | and my wife can see where I am on her android phone, and vice versa |
| 13:18.28 | anidel | lardman that works.. weird |
| 13:18.28 | timeless_mbp | lardman: sounds like a bad deal :) |
| 13:18.31 | hrw | timeless_mbp: and can be not so positive anyway |
| 13:18.33 | lardman | lol |
| 13:18.50 | timeless_mbp | tethered husband |
| 13:19.02 | timeless_mbp | latitude, giving husbands less latitude |
| 13:19.05 | lardman | I can tell if she goes shopping! ;) |
| 13:19.11 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh, still no shipment notification from DDP. |
| 13:19.24 | lardman | well I can just shut down the browser, hers is built-in |
| 13:19.29 | GeneralAntilles | Which means it's going to show up after I've left town. |
| 13:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming it ships at all. |
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| 13:20.38 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so. got time for a couple of strings? |
| 13:20.51 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, sure. |
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| 13:26.33 | xorAxAx | fnordianslip: "3 sim fix"? |
| 13:26.45 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? |
| 13:26.52 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong |
| 13:27.12 | fnordianslip | xorAxAx: there's a bug and topics on t.m.o. fixed in unreleased builds apparently |
| 13:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, where the hell do I put a bug about the touchscreen settings control panel? |
| 13:27.28 | xorAxAx | fnordianslip: ah, the company "3" |
| 13:27.37 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: calibration? |
| 13:27.43 | fnordianslip | xorAxAx: yep |
| 13:27.54 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the power save setting for the touchscreen is completely useless |
| 13:27.55 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, but I have one report about the screen noise in there already! |
| 13:27.57 | GeneralAntilles | and I'd like to see it removed. |
| 13:28.06 | andre__ | ah |
| 13:28.09 | arachnist | camkeyd++ |
| 13:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | arachnist, indeed. |
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| 13:28.18 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, just drop it under Control Panel |
| 13:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | Now the proximity sensor needs to toggle fullscreen. |
| 13:28.38 | fnordianslip | wants to set up a company called " " |
| 13:29.11 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: ; DROP TABLES? |
| 13:29.21 | zash | fnordianslip: like the ( ) party? |
| 13:29.29 | fnordianslip | Stskeeps: huh? |
| 13:29.35 | zash | that tried to steal all the blank votes |
| 13:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody got the original string for that setting handy? |
| 13:29.50 | Stskeeps | fnordianslip: http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 13:30.06 | GeneralAntilles | Settings -> Touchscreen -> Whatever the last checkbox in that dialog is called. |
| 13:30.35 | fnordianslip | Stskeeps: nice |
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| 13:31.13 | slonopotamus_ | hmm |
| 13:31.45 | slonopotamus_ | i think i got a tricky trick to import contacts |
| 13:32.04 | fnordianslip | an xkcd widget for n900 would be nice |
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| 13:34.09 | pupnik_ | till- found the car-charging problem?! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=416562&postcount=15 |
| 13:34.22 | pupnik_ | fnordianslip: do it |
| 13:34.24 | lardman | timeless_mbp: anidel tells me he had to reboot after installing the maemo-geolocation plugin to get Latitude to see it |
| 13:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody find that string for me? :) |
| 13:34.42 | timeless_mbp | not technically reboot |
| 13:34.50 | RST38h | latitude actually sees the geolocation plugin?!? |
| 13:34.51 | timeless_mbp | but probably kill browserd |
| 13:34.59 | lardman | restart the browser stuff yeah |
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| 13:35.21 | RST38h | Will make Arkenio happy |
| 13:35.28 | hrw | timeless_mbp: do you have a bug for that UI problem? it is hard to find |
| 13:35.28 | RST38h | He likes to be followed =) |
| 13:36.16 | timeless_mbp | 5750 |
| 13:36.22 | hrw | gracias |
| 13:36.23 | timeless_mbp | search was: is:maemo indicator |
| 13:36.43 | lbt_ | ROFL.... just saw the Samsung bada announcement : http://hothardware.com/News/Samsung-Enters-Smartphone-Wars-With-Interactive-OS/ |
| 13:36.53 | lbt_ | *love* the last comment ... superb :) |
| 13:37.06 | Jaffa | anidel: browserd needs to be restarting |
| 13:37.14 | Jaffa | s/ing/ed/ |
| 13:37.24 | timeless_mbp | lbt_: the art is nice |
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| 13:37.49 | pupnik_ | gpodder is pretty wonderful. would be cool if it could also scan a page that has no proper rss/xml |
| 13:38.04 | lbt_ | timeless_mbp: meh... wallpaper and N800 style screen edges... |
| 13:38.21 | timeless_mbp | lbt_: i mean the boat |
| 13:38.40 | lbt_ | ahhh |
| 13:39.29 | anidel | jaffa: yeah I knew it could be that.. I waited after closing all the browser windows hoping for it to shut down.. |
| 13:39.37 | anidel | jaffa: in the end I restarted the device :p |
| 13:40.10 | timeless_mbp | anidel: at one point closing all browser windows did restart browserd |
| 13:40.15 | anidel | Anyway it's like on the desktop, after installing a plugin you need to restart the browser |
| 13:40.16 | timeless_mbp | i need to figure out if we changed that |
| 13:40.25 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 13:40.27 | anidel | timeless: may be I didn't wait enough |
| 13:40.35 | timeless_mbp | nah |
| 13:40.41 | anidel | timeless_mbp: I expect it dies after a few secs? |
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| 13:40.46 | lbt_ | Couldn't happen here: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/09/2215253/Malware-Found-Hidden-In-Screensaver-On-Gnome-Look |
| 13:40.48 | timeless_mbp | i can't remember |
| 13:40.51 | pupnik_ | Can we see cellular signal strength anywhere on N900? |
| 13:40.51 | timeless_mbp | (i'd need to ask) |
| 13:40.54 | anidel | ok |
| 13:41.04 | arachnist | pupnik_: yes |
| 13:41.08 | pupnik_ | where? |
| 13:41.09 | timeless_mbp | pupnik_: the bars above the number? |
| 13:41.11 | anidel | now we need to develop a nice desktop widget |
| 13:41.16 | GeneralAntilles | OK, somebody using English strings but without timeless's stringset installed. Open Settings -> Touchscreen and tell me the string on the last checkbox in the dialog. |
| 13:41.18 | arachnist | pupnik_: next to the battery level |
| 13:41.19 | hrw | ~hail contacts for forgetting default view |
| 13:41.19 | infobot | ACTION bows down to contacts for forgetting default view and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 13:41.20 | anidel | showing your friends is already easy... |
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| 13:41.50 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: "Touchscreen vibration" IIRC |
| 13:41.59 | lbt_ | Jogglers have arrived!! |
| 13:41.59 | pupnik_ | ah thank you - i get "cellular network not available" may be out of range in my house |
| 13:42.01 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: dooubtful :) |
| 13:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, scroll. |
| 13:42.07 | SpeedEvil | is there anything in repos that will let me set arbitrary v4l controls? |
| 13:42.23 | andre__ | wondering who's responsible for https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/maemo-examples/ |
| 13:42.31 | lardman | anidel: need to dechiper the Google api and then the location information can be made available to whatever app wants it |
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| 13:42.53 | xorAxAx | how can i enable "desktop" widgets? |
| 13:43.07 | lbt_ | andre__: why Mr Maemo of course |
| 13:43.08 | lardman | tap desktop, hit gear |
| 13:43.28 | lbt_ | or the porn team... |
| 13:43.30 | andre__ | lbt, got his phone number? |
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| 13:44.10 | lbt_ | grins at xxxx@maemo.org and wonder what goes on behind closed doors at Nokia.... |
| 13:44.30 | timeless_mbp | lbt_: from memory 4xs in finland means something |
| 13:44.31 | X-Fade | lbt_: That is an Australian beer. |
| 13:44.32 | xorAxAx | lardman: and then? |
| 13:44.42 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: tap the title |
| 13:44.44 | lardman | tap the menu |
| 13:44.49 | xorAxAx | and then? |
| 13:44.55 | xorAxAx | there is no "add widget" |
| 13:44.55 | ShadowJK | has no idea what it means |
| 13:44.56 | timeless_mbp | but really, if you're using an english, install my strings and then do this stuff |
| 13:45.12 | X-Fade | lbt_: http://www.xxxx.com.au/ :) |
| 13:45.13 | lardman | xorAxAx: is for me |
| 13:45.14 | slonopotamus | argh |
| 13:45.17 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: i have "Add Widget" |
| 13:45.22 | SpeedEvil | lardman: thanks - I now have that google page on my desktop |
| 13:45.22 | lbt_ | analyses the neat packaging and concludes it's not from Nokia.... then ducks and runs |
| 13:45.29 | SpeedEvil | Woo. |
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| 13:45.38 | SpeedEvil | finds screen protector for n900 in post. |
| 13:45.44 | slonopotamus | it doesn't see my simcard |
| 13:45.48 | lbt_ | SpeedEvil: ooh any good? |
| 13:45.54 | `wicked` | hi |
| 13:45.54 | Myrtti | OH FFS |
| 13:45.57 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, brand? |
| 13:46.00 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: even the ausies can spell ringtone correctly |
| 13:46.01 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: i dont |
| 13:46.10 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: ctrl-shift-p |
| 13:46.13 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: in my scratchbox |
| 13:46.18 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: ebay |
| 13:46.19 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 13:46.21 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: nop |
| 13:46.22 | timeless_mbp | you didn't say scratchbox |
| 13:46.32 | timeless_mbp | you probably don't have any installable widgets |
| 13:46.45 | timeless_mbp | or maybe the sdk sucks |
| 13:46.47 | ShadowJK | my durasec cleartec has gathered an incredible amount of scratches in just two weeks :) |
| 13:46.48 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 13:46.49 | lbt_ | rather likes that example code... it even tests for the existence of executables rather than just crashing |
| 13:46.51 | xorAxAx | there is a widget shown already |
| 13:46.55 | `wicked` | i've a question.. |
| 13:47.04 | xorAxAx | so its b0rked |
| 13:47.05 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: delete the widget from the desktop |
| 13:47.09 | timeless_mbp | see if you can get it back |
| 13:47.09 | `wicked` | for the developers.. |
| 13:47.10 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190353399122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT |
| 13:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | Screw it, posting the bug with the replacement strings. Somebody else can translate. |
| 13:47.23 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: nope :-/ |
| 13:47.33 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: file a bug against the sdk |
| 13:47.37 | ShadowJK | oh, hard case |
| 13:47.38 | xorAxAx | fun. |
| 13:48.12 | `wicked` | a porting of maemo on a N97 nokia phone.. |
| 13:48.17 | `wicked` | is not possible? |
| 13:48.33 | `wicked` | I hate symbian os.. |
| 13:48.36 | nomis | I dunno, it might be just me, but sometimes I tap an icon in the main menu, the icon lights up and then nothing happens. |
| 13:49.02 | nomis | so the click arrived at the software, but the software failed to start the resp. menu entry. |
| 13:49.06 | ccooke | tries to stop laughing at http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM |
| 13:49.08 | arachnist | `wicked`: N97 has a somewhat different screen resolution. might be impossible to run normal maemo apps |
| 13:49.28 | timeless_mbp | `wicked`: so, if you can get access to enough pieces anything is possible |
| 13:49.31 | `wicked` | :\ |
| 13:49.33 | hrw | arachnist: and lot of maemo apss are hrdcoded to 800x480 screen anyway |
| 13:49.35 | lardman | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 13:49.38 | hrw | n97 has 640x360 |
| 13:49.44 | timeless_mbp | hypothetically there was one device similar to the n800 which was able to run maemo4.something |
| 13:49.48 | `wicked` | maemo apps are write for a 480x800 res? |
| 13:49.51 | hrw | just sstarted maemo5 on 800x800 screen |
| 13:50.15 | `wicked` | damn nokia -.- |
| 13:50.18 | hrw | too bad that maemosdk lacks some settings |
| 13:50.30 | timeless_mbp | (that one device normally ran symbian) |
| 13:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | `wicked`, 800x480, actually. |
| 13:51.18 | GeneralAntilles | But that's not the real problem. |
| 13:51.25 | GeneralAntilles | The real problem is getting Linux booting on the N97. |
| 13:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | and to that I can only say, "good luck". |
| 13:52.03 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: which product is it? |
| 13:52.07 | `wicked` | tnx M) |
| 13:52.12 | `wicked` | ;) |
| 13:52.17 | timeless_mbp | sdk has its own product iirc |
| 13:53.31 | suihkulokki | `wicked`: not really specifically written for 800x480, just nobody ever tests anything else =) |
| 13:53.34 | sejo | /49 |
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| 13:54.08 | jumpula | q |
| 13:54.09 | xorAxAx | how can i find out the sdk version? settings -> general doesnt exist |
| 13:54.11 | jumpula | oops |
| 13:54.16 | jumpula | this is not vim |
| 13:54.25 | `wicked` | nobody who can try it? |
| 13:54.38 | `wicked` | nobody wanna risk a n97? ;) |
| 13:54.46 | Myrtti | you |
| 13:54.49 | Myrtti | obviously |
| 13:54.57 | sejo | he doesn't dare |
| 13:55.09 | X-Fade | `wicked`: Different cpu, requires signed firmware. Good luck. |
| 13:55.50 | `wicked` | ok, white flag, i'm surrender |
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| 13:56.12 | mece | what packet do I need to compile vala? |
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| 13:57.53 | anidel | lardman: this link might help for Google Latitude, looks like someone already reverse engineered the protocol: http://forum.openhandsetdevelopers.com/google-maps-with-my-location-my-location-t19.html |
| 13:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | `wicked`, easier to just sell the N97 and buy an N900. |
| 13:59.39 | lardman | anidel: looking |
| 14:01.12 | anidel | don't register in order to get access to the link.. I did but the link is now dead |
| 14:01.23 | anidel | so don't even bother to register |
| 14:01.32 | lardman | ok |
| 14:01.53 | `wicked` | :( |
| 14:02.10 | lardman | but ok, those urls look familiar from my tcpdump |
| 14:02.16 | `wicked` | I'm not ONassis ;) |
| 14:02.23 | mece | andiel, oh man, hate when that happens. I don't like to register to random stuff, but to register for nothing is really annyoing |
| 14:02.27 | `wicked` | goodbye ^_^ |
| 14:02.34 | lardman | annoying having all the png and jpeg data sent in the same tcpdump, but c'est la vie ;) |
| 14:02.51 | anidel | mece: happens |
| 14:03.01 | hrw | lardman: use wireshark + filtering? |
| 14:03.39 | lardman | yep |
| 14:03.59 | lardman | though all the data comes from the same server so hard to filter out the wrong packet types |
| 14:04.06 | lardman | or at least it was for me using it for the first time |
| 14:04.38 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/10/n900-second-day/ |
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| 14:04.54 | hrw | hi mgedmin ssvb |
| 14:05.06 | mgedmin | hi |
| 14:05.17 | ssvb | hi hrw |
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| 14:06.31 | lardman | anidel: actually that code is not needed as we can use liblocation to get location info |
| 14:06.57 | anidel | lardman: isn't that code used to update the location? |
| 14:06.58 | lardman | though it does seems to send some data, which is good |
| 14:07.13 | anidel | lardman: ah no.. you're right |
| 14:07.36 | lardman | I think it's using Google to get lat/lon from cell data? |
| 14:07.37 | fnordianslip | i haven't found powertop yet for m5. if it does exist, can someone tell me where? |
| 14:07.47 | anidel | lardman: yeah I think so |
| 14:09.39 | cehteh | eeeks .. bada is a korean word and means fail :o) |
| 14:09.52 | fnordianslip | bada ... boom |
| 14:10.01 | SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: would be nice |
| 14:10.09 | cehteh | only a high level C++ API .. means everythnig has to be rewritten from scratch |
| 14:10.16 | timeless_mbp | hrw: are you going to vote for these bugs? :) |
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| 14:10.24 | timeless_mbp | (not that it helps an iota) |
| 14:11.05 | fnordianslip | imagines timeless_mbp sounding like Marvin from h2g2 |
| 14:11.17 | arachnist | cehteh: |
| 14:11.20 | arachnist | uhm |
| 14:11.41 | lardman | anidel: there's lots of cookies and other crap in the sniffed data, no clue is that's normal |
| 14:11.59 | lardman | never having tried to analyse pct/ip/html data before |
| 14:12.06 | lardman | s/pct/tcp |
| 14:12.11 | cehteh | if it would be at least POSIXish |
| 14:12.15 | arachnist | cehteh: "bada" is a polish verb, and it means "to examine" or "to probe" |
| 14:13.00 | timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: heh, i don't sound like marvin |
| 14:13.20 | fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: perhaps not, but i like to think you do :) |
| 14:13.52 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 14:14.02 | timeless_mbp | the ui designers told me last night that my voice is distinctive |
| 14:14.24 | fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: so is marvin's |
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| 14:14.57 | lardman | any javascript gurus about? |
| 14:15.17 | lardman | the javascript code on that Google Latitude page seems to be build up of loads of little functions |
| 14:15.34 | lardman | each is defined and then used in the definition of another, ad infinitum (nearly) |
| 14:15.43 | lardman | is that a standard method of obfuscation? |
| 14:16.30 | lardman | should be easy enough to just unwind the function definitions to get the final functions really, so not sure why that would be done |
| 14:17.10 | lardman | I guess looking at the javascript might be easier than trying to guess the api from the sniffed data |
| 14:17.29 | timeless_mbp | watches So long and thanks for all the fish |
| 14:17.36 | SpeedEvil | lardman: firebug |
| 14:17.42 | SpeedEvil | lardman: it's great |
| 14:17.48 | timeless_mbp | lardman: roughly latitude is probably a java app |
| 14:17.52 | timeless_mbp | compiled |
| 14:18.02 | timeless_mbp | most google apps are these days i believe |
| 14:18.10 | timeless_mbp | (gwt?) |
| 14:18.17 | lardman | any thoughts? |
| 14:18.58 | timeless_mbp | probably the thing to do is to take something (jsd? jstracer?) and have it record the actual used paths |
| 14:19.05 | timeless_mbp | with full variable refs |
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| 14:19.26 | lardman|home | hmm, did anyone see my monologue, or has it vanished into the ether? |
| 14:19.27 | timeless_mbp | because what matters to you is roughly speaking the standard control flow, not the loaded code |
| 14:19.53 | range | lardman: Isn't that stuff of their standard javascript API which they made public a while ago? |
| 14:20.00 | lardman|home | dunno |
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| 14:20.12 | lardman|home | but I guess it must do the stuff the page does? |
| 14:20.27 | lardman|home | so it must be possible to work out how it works from that code? or not? |
| 14:20.53 | hrw | timeless_mbp: I will |
| 14:21.24 | timeless_mbp | hrw: it's worth noting that decisions shouldn't be made based on votes |
| 14:21.25 | hrw | timeless_mbp: will not help rather but I have a right to vote for them and for me they are bugs |
| 14:21.39 | hrw | timeless_mbp: I am aware of that |
| 14:21.45 | timeless_mbp | bugzilla is a self selecting non representative sample of our potential userbase |
| 14:21.58 | SpeedEvil | Clearly the right way is to call the users. |
| 14:22.01 | timeless_mbp | that said, our ui designers are not better at design choices |
| 14:22.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:22.32 | timeless_mbp | standard response to pushback other than ignoring is to "make it a preference" |
| 14:22.34 | range | lardman: Okay, that code is strange. |
| 14:22.44 | timeless_mbp | it took mozilla 5-7 years to learn that this is *not* the right answer |
| 14:23.03 | SpeedEvil | It's debatable. |
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| 14:23.23 | SpeedEvil | For example I want a preference not to ignore volume buttons in media player when screen blanks |
| 14:23.42 | SpeedEvil | which for some would be very annoying as those buttons will get pressed accidentally for some users |
| 14:23.50 | hrw | I want really working usb-storage |
| 14:23.59 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: we're going to replace media player as it doens't support subtitles |
| 14:24.01 | hrw | [63924.144952] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 14:24.01 | hrw | [63924.146811] sd 10:0:0:1: [sdh] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 14:24.04 | hrw | and thats all |
| 14:24.18 | timeless_mbp | hrw: sounds like a host problem? |
| 14:24.18 | SpeedEvil | hrw: It diddn't work for me either, when I plugged it into my printer. |
| 14:24.21 | range | lardman: No idea. It probably is something in the skynet-universe which is generating that code. |
| 14:24.26 | hrw | looks like I need to dig under desk again just to get it working |
| 14:24.27 | SpeedEvil | hrw: which supports usb mass storage |
| 14:24.46 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: did you file a bug? |
| 14:24.59 | lardman|home | range: I've no clue, but do you think that the code that uploads and interprets the downloaded data should be there somewhere? |
| 14:25.04 | hrw | timeless_mbp: roothub->hub->n900 and roothub->hub->hub->n900 works for charging but not quite for storage |
| 14:25.07 | hrw | -> coffee |
| 14:25.10 | hrw | bb in 20min |
| 14:25.45 | timeless_mbp | usb1 or usb2 hubs? :) |
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| 14:27.34 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: I have a list of niggles that I need to search to see if they're there, and then file |
| 14:27.46 | range | lardman|home: Probably something from tha maps API? http://googlegeodevelopers.blogspot.com/2009/05/build-on-top-of-your-public-latitude.html of any help? |
| 14:29.17 | fnordianslip | hmm. tracepath doesn't seem to work on my n900 |
| 14:29.24 | lardman|home | ah ok, that's how to fetch the location of another user |
| 14:29.27 | lardman|home | or yourself |
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| 14:29.54 | lardman|home | I'd thought it was just for yourself, but it does say "As an added bonus, both the JSON and KML feeds allow you to fetch the locations of multiple users you only need to change the user parameter to use comma separated identifiers instead of a single one." |
| 14:30.03 | lardman|home | so fine, we can grab our friends |
| 14:30.09 | lardman|home | we still need to let Google know where we are |
| 14:30.16 | lardman|home | (but at least that's less to do now) |
| 14:30.45 | SpeedEvil | lardman: doesn't tcpdumping the stream when location is active show you anything? |
| 14:31.15 | lardman|home | http://blag.tsukasa.net.au/2009/06/17/reversing-latitude/ |
| 14:31.22 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: I only had a quick look |
| 14:31.29 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: But nothing overly obvious |
| 14:31.52 | lardman|home | again, I've never really looked at low level TCP data, so was slow going |
| 14:32.38 | SpeedEvil | yeah - or firebug would be more sane, as it can show responses too |
| 14:32.44 | SpeedEvil | or alternatively tcpick |
| 14:33.29 | SpeedEvil | - which reconstructs all tcp streams to a computer - or to a port or ... live to files |
| 14:33.29 | SpeedEvil | which is _very_ hadny |
| 14:33.29 | lardman|home | sounds useful |
| 14:33.56 | SpeedEvil | tcpick_001942_10.0.0.8_92.123.154.40_http.serv.dat |
| 14:33.57 | SpeedEvil | tcpick_001943_10.0.0.8_92.123.154.40_http.clnt.dat |
| 14:33.59 | SpeedEvil | for example |
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| 14:34.14 | SpeedEvil | that's data sent by server and client for the same connection |
| 14:34.16 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 14:34.24 | lardman|home | ok, will have a look at that this evening |
| 14:34.28 | SpeedEvil | well - that's not the same connection - but you get the idea |
| 14:34.59 | lardman|home | yep |
| 14:35.30 | SpeedEvil | http://tcpick.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:36.10 | lardman|home | I was working at the same time, do didn't try Linux based apps |
| 14:37.02 | range | ethereal can also follow (and analyze) tcp streams if you want something to click :) |
| 14:37.11 | range | Um. Now called wireshark. |
| 14:37.20 | lardman|home | yeah, that's what I was using |
| 14:39.07 | lardman|home | the JSON output received by that page doesn't have the field names like the Google page linked above does |
| 14:39.11 | lardman|home | are they mandatory? |
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| 14:40.05 | joppu | Sexy? Y/N http://dl.dropbox.com/u/805039/img/glossy_test.png |
| 14:40.24 | timeless_mbp | joppu: new theme? |
| 14:40.28 | lardman|home | no |
| 14:40.37 | lardman|home | don't like the two-tone buttons |
| 14:40.39 | zgold | joppu: the contrast is a bit too sharp for my taste |
| 14:40.44 | lardman|home | gradiated would be better |
| 14:40.58 | timeless_mbp | joppu: feels like a glass theme |
| 14:41.02 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure that's bad |
| 14:41.18 | timeless_mbp | note that it has issues w/ running through letters |
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| 14:41.23 | timeless_mbp | it can cause readability issues |
| 14:41.25 | hrw | re |
| 14:41.29 | baho | I installed sshd. As usual I decided to remove it from autostart (from all the rcN.d paths). Eventhough it's not in any of the rcN.d paths - it still starts up on boot. Also when I run /etc/init.d/ssh stop - it won't stop... Am I missing something in maemo's startup script management? Any advice on how to do this? |
| 14:41.36 | hrw | timeless_mbp: usb2 of course |
| 14:41.43 | joppu | timeless_mbp: That's kinda the point, the glass :P |
| 14:42.01 | joppu | lardman|home: As a single gradient? |
| 14:42.03 | timeless_mbp | baho: i think maemo uses upstart |
| 14:42.05 | timeless_mbp | not rc.d |
| 14:42.09 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 14:42.17 | lardman|home | joppu: yeah, rather than the sharp transition |
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| 14:42.25 | lardman|home | joppu: but don;t ask me really :) |
| 14:42.52 | slonopotamus | fixed undetectable simcard with a piece of paper between holder and battery |
| 14:42.57 | baho | timeless_mbp: oh.... thanx... I'm pretty sure I've done this via rc.d in maemo4... Will look into upstart... time to do some reading. |
| 14:43.10 | timeless_mbp | baho: upstart came w/ fremantle |
| 14:43.28 | joppu | I heard a certain person complaining how dull the default Fremantle theme was so I thought I'd make a sharp one |
| 14:43.36 | odin_ | anyone know of USB card reader: 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. (if it support SDHC ?) |
| 14:43.58 | lardman|home | joppu: go ahead, makes no odds to me anyway, as long as I can still see the buttons to click :) |
| 14:44.01 | timeless_mbp | joppu: i'd say go for it |
| 14:45.35 | joppu | Well, since it's and SVG, I can just adjust the templat gradient and it'll fix them all. |
| 14:45.45 | joppu | To lower the contrast, I mean. |
| 14:45.52 | joppu | But I'll see about it |
| 14:46.42 | slonopotamus | where does xchat go in fremantle if 'minimize to tray' is clicked? |
| 14:46.57 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 14:47.16 | AndrewBlack | joppu, what theme you guys talking about? |
| 14:47.21 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.41 | joppu | AndrewBlack: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/805039/img/glossy_test.png |
| 14:47.43 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: it could go to the status menu if it goes somewhere |
| 14:48.14 | slonopotamus | argh |
| 14:48.14 | ShadowJK | odin_: i have alcor...something... no sdhc |
| 14:48.32 | wazd | joppu: http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0910/7b/29ae58867c8f.png |
| 14:48.40 | slonopotamus | how i autocompete nicknames with hw kb? :( |
| 14:48.51 | |R | is it normal that me and my friends didn't get the converter in the n900 box? (2mm/3mm to microUSB for older nokia's charger?) |
| 14:49.17 | AndrewBlack | joppu, looks nice |
| 14:49.25 | wazd | joppu: http://i065.radikal.ru/0910/cf/cc07a96009f2.png |
| 14:49.33 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: with xchat? |
| 14:49.35 | ShadowJK | i saw a systray widget or something... i suspect it might cactch xchat when/if it tried to run to tray? |
| 14:49.41 | SpeedEvil | |R: I diddn't either |
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| 14:49.47 | slonopotamus | speedevil yep |
| 14:50.03 | |R | SpeedEvil: uhm okay, decided it was not worth it i guess |
| 14:50.11 | SpeedEvil | |R: just cleaning cloth, headphones, n900, battery, puppy. |
| 14:50.17 | flux | is theere a bug open for wanting more hotkeys for maemo5? |
| 14:50.39 | |R | SpeedEvil: and usb + chargers i guess? :) |
| 14:50.47 | SpeedEvil | |R: yeah |
| 14:50.47 | |R | otherwise the puppy is going to starve ;) |
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| 14:50.59 | joppu | wazd: It's kinda similar... but not that much in my opinion. Are you implying that I'm plagiarizing Marina? |
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| 14:52.16 | wazd | joppu: no, not at all |
| 14:52.24 | ShadowJK | odin_, oh mine has same USB ID too. Mine does not do SDHC. |
| 14:52.32 | wazd | joppu: at least you have the device to test :D |
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| 14:53.25 | odin_ | ShadowJK, kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] READ CAPACITY failed, kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Result: hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK, for a 4Gb card, but a little further for a 2Gb card: kernel: sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] 3932160 512-byte hardware sectors (2013 MB) |
| 14:53.49 | odin_ | ShadowJK, thanks for confirming, guess I better get a new one |
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| 14:54.23 | ShadowJK | Mine kinda works for non-HC, on good days |
| 14:54.34 | ShadowJK | kernel constantly resets it too |
| 14:56.35 | RST38h | qwerty12: here? =) |
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| 14:59.51 | Jaffa | grrraaarrgghs at #5130. Sodding UI specs breaking the user. Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise-men. |
| 15:00.32 | joppu | wazd: Actually, I don't. I had but it was a dud, sadly |
| 15:00.50 | hrw | bug 5130 |
| 15:00.52 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5130 Use of "yes/no" in JavaScript confirmation dialogues is confusing |
| 15:01.02 | odin_ | yeah we need N900 advanced mode with tons of user-configuration features... everyone should just find a way to organised/present them all... the idea of cutting own options for all is plain silly |
| 15:01.57 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: yes - completely breaking pages is not a good thing. |
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| 15:03.10 | eMHa | hello |
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| 15:03.26 | eMHa | is there a bootmanager on the n900 and how can i access it? |
| 15:03.35 | eMHa | it seems i've bricked my n900 |
| 15:03.44 | eMHa | but i know what files i've changed |
| 15:03.56 | joppu | eMHa: How did you do it? |
| 15:03.57 | eMHa | and if i only had a shell i could revert |
| 15:04.08 | eMHa | well, i change .profile of user |
| 15:04.15 | odin_ | eMHa, not really, there is something that call itself bootmanager but it not a real one, since its already loaded a kernel and simply changes some options and stuff (that is how I understand it anyway) |
| 15:04.18 | eMHa | and i think there's aloop now |
| 15:04.33 | eMHa | ok, the usb part is booting ok |
| 15:04.53 | flux | emha, so what does it prevent, you cannot use xterm? |
| 15:05.07 | eMHa | no grafical user interface |
| 15:05.20 | SpeedEvil | eMHa: can you ssh in? |
| 15:05.21 | flux | hm, funny if it uses .profile |
| 15:05.21 | eMHa | after the usb pboot part |
| 15:05.28 | eMHa | it doesn't boot any further |
| 15:05.31 | eMHa | no |
| 15:05.38 | eMHa | wireless seems not to come up |
| 15:05.45 | odin_ | maybe N900 needs a single user mode, which will boot an xterm no matter what |
| 15:06.01 | timeless_mbp | odin_: maybe people need to not brick their devices |
| 15:06.11 | timeless_mbp | at a certain point these are end user devices |
| 15:06.13 | timeless_mbp | not hackables |
| 15:06.20 | timeless_mbp | if you aren't willing to reflash like an end user |
| 15:06.25 | timeless_mbp | then don't think like a hacker |
| 15:06.26 | eMHa | these are hackables ;-) |
| 15:06.27 | derf | eMHa: You're going to have to re-flash. Hope you made backups. |
| 15:06.38 | eMHa | hm |
| 15:06.44 | eMHa | i can take backups over usb |
| 15:06.51 | eMHa | so my data should be save |
| 15:06.59 | flux | timeless_mbp, it'd be great though that it would not be possible to brick (so that you need to send it to factory) it unless you use gainroot |
| 15:07.02 | timeless_mbp | the data you can backup over usb isn't lost by a normal flashing |
| 15:07.23 | timeless_mbp | flux: mucking around w/ dot files is pretty damn close to gainroot |
| 15:07.30 | flux | timeless_mbp, but, it's not gainroot :) |
| 15:07.39 | eMHa | so there isn't any relevant date |
| 15:07.43 | timeless_mbp | although i'm kinda shocked that .profile would cause anything remotely interesting to happen |
| 15:07.54 | hrw | andre__: can you add (as Bug Master) option to autoclose bugs by moving them to brainstorm area? |
| 15:07.55 | eMHa | but i hoped i can boot somethin like text mode shell :-) |
| 15:07.59 | derf | timeless_mbp: I'm not. |
| 15:08.04 | flux | I can do anything in my computer without breaking it, as long as I don't 'sudo'. of course, I need to know the root password. |
| 15:08.07 | derf | Actually, isn't .profile on /home/user anyway? |
| 15:08.08 | javispedro | Aloha Javier, welcome to NetHack! You are a neutral female human Tourist. |
| 15:08.13 | derf | So won't that survive a reflash? |
| 15:08.20 | timeless_mbp | derf: it will :) |
| 15:08.26 | andre__ | hrw, ? |
| 15:08.36 | X-Fade | Unless you flash emmc ;) |
| 15:08.42 | eMHa | ? |
| 15:08.45 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, what a segment of the market appears to want is a hackable product, so Nokia will on-day have to shallow on that and live with it |
| 15:08.49 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: better backup in that cas |
| 15:08.55 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Indeed |
| 15:08.59 | javispedro | RST38h: seems to work, so gonna upload now |
| 15:09.01 | odin_ | s/on-day/one day/ |
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| 15:09.16 | timeless_mbp | odin_: how large is that market segment? |
| 15:09.26 | timeless_mbp | 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% ? |
| 15:09.34 | timeless_mbp | or smaller? |
| 15:09.37 | hrw | andre__: I am losing faith in maemo bugtracker as most of interesting bugs gets moved to brainstorm where no one cares about them |
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| 15:09.54 | timeless_mbp | what nokia wants (especially if it's producing lots of devices) |
| 15:09.58 | timeless_mbp | is a large market segment |
| 15:10.02 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, it doesn't really matter, another vendor (not nokia will be producing the same basic design) and they will cater for hackability |
| 15:10.20 | andre__ | hrw, so? |
| 15:10.22 | timeless_mbp | odin_: ... |
| 15:10.33 | Stskeeps | odin_: how did that work for freerunner sales again.. |
| 15:10.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | odin_, interesting that you make this point when Maemo devices are among the most hackable on the market. |
| 15:10.40 | recalcati | I'm going to try maemo for ARM Linux inside emulator . Anybody can point me to the right direction? |
| 15:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, Quim got some commitments from Nokia managers to Brainstorm. |
| 15:10.55 | andre__ | hrw: I might miss sense of humour today. All answered already. Enjoy. |
| 15:10.56 | hrw | recalcati: maemo4 can be run in qemu |
| 15:11.03 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: really? |
| 15:11.04 | canc | timeless_mbp: if I follow what you said, the n900 is a end user product, an messing with it is bad |
| 15:11.17 | timeless_mbp | canc: i wouldn't go quite that far |
| 15:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, apparently. |
| 15:11.28 | timeless_mbp | but i would say that it's designed to be like an end user product |
| 15:11.28 | ShadowJK | odin_, dude you can't both have the cake and eat it, pick one. Hackability and the power to make your n900 reboot-loop, or safety of being locked out from doing anything damaging |
| 15:11.30 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, there isn't a lot of support that Nokia needs to give that segment, simple stuff like being able to extract flash data via bootloader/USB, single-user-mode, anything so the bricked device is recoveryable by the modern day hacker |
| 15:11.32 | canc | I did get one because of the maemo os |
| 15:11.33 | timeless_mbp | and if you mess it up, you reflash |
| 15:11.38 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, it was one of the requirements before we started using the Brainstorm. |
| 15:11.38 | recalcati | hrw: not meamo5 ? |
| 15:11.44 | Stskeeps | odin_: the more info you give the open source community the more they want |
| 15:11.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 15:11.47 | timeless_mbp | it isn't sold with a serial console |
| 15:11.52 | javispedro | odin_: i'm sure you can provide that by yourself, though |
| 15:11.54 | timeless_mbp | if you want a serial console, there's this other thing |
| 15:11.58 | eMHa | is it possible to flash the n900 from linux? |
| 15:11.58 | hrw | recalcati: n8x0 emulation is present in qemu - was done for Nokia by OpenedHand |
| 15:12.03 | timeless_mbp | what's the clear plastic box thing? |
| 15:12.05 | javispedro | unless you're talking about thrased ubifs |
| 15:12.06 | canc | timeless_mbp: ok, I get the point :) If you messed it, you flash it :) |
| 15:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | odin_, if you want to hack, hack. |
| 15:12.14 | recalcati | hrw: thx |
| 15:12.15 | odin_ | GeneralAntilles, I was not making a comment about Nokia not being hackable (that was timeless_mbp, please re-read what I wrote) I am all for hackability but timeless_mbp expressed a viewpoint that its a consumer device and hackability it not a priority |
| 15:12.15 | hrw | recalcati: I blogged about it, had a talk about it on maemo summit 2008 even |
| 15:12.16 | GeneralAntilles | odin_, there's little stopping you. |
| 15:12.27 | hrw | recalcati: no idea how goes n900 emu - rather not exists probably |
| 15:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | odin_, of course it's not a priority. |
| 15:12.32 | Stskeeps | hrw: oh, didn't know it was a pay job :) |
| 15:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | odin_, hackability doesn't generally sell many devices. |
| 15:12.49 | recalcati | hrw: I read something, but I have too many info in my mind |
| 15:12.54 | derf | A proper hacker sets up rsync backups of the entire device. |
| 15:12.58 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 15:13.07 | hrw | recalcati: normal qemu do not have omap3 emulation |
| 15:13.12 | derf | Because they _know_ they're going to brick the device at some point. |
| 15:13.14 | hrw | Stskeeps: ;D |
| 15:13.25 | Stskeeps | hrw: i just assumed you were insane enough to do it in your free time ;) |
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| 15:13.40 | recalcati | hrw: I guess that Nokia should have qemu or similar for its SDK, becasue is really important for development |
| 15:13.46 | derf | It was one of the first things I did. I'm surprised it took me two days before I needed to use them. |
| 15:14.12 | hrw | recalcati: what for? you can use crapbox to run maemo/x86 |
| 15:14.19 | timeless_mbp | ! beagle board |
| 15:14.26 | hrw | Stskeeps: ;D |
| 15:14.28 | timeless_mbp | yes, that's the thing w/ a serial cable |
| 15:14.34 | timeless_mbp | go buy one, or heck, buy two! |
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| 15:15.01 | timeless_mbp | recalcati: you clearly haven't used the sdk |
| 15:15.05 | timeless_mbp | because it does indeed include qemu |
| 15:15.11 | odin_ | Stskeeps, I'm not sure I understand your points. Re: cake and eat it |
| 15:15.18 | timeless_mbp | and you can setup system qemu if you really want to |
| 15:15.19 | andre__ | ...anybody having a SDK handy who can quickly confirm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6813 ? |
| 15:15.21 | povbot | Bug 6813: "Add widget" missing in SDK |
| 15:15.37 | Stskeeps | odin_: if you give out kernel then they want bootloader, then they want jtag.. |
| 15:15.40 | javispedro | I'm pretty sure, it's there. |
| 15:15.44 | Stskeeps | odin_: etc |
| 15:15.52 | timeless_mbp | andre__: how about telling the reporter how to get the sdk version |
| 15:15.57 | timeless_mbp | has no idea how to do that |
| 15:16.10 | Stskeeps | odin_: the return of making the investment to get that info published isn't convincing |
| 15:16.11 | andre__ | me neither |
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| 15:16.30 | odin_ | eMHa, yes its possible to re-flash the N900 from windows and linux (it is not currently possible to recover rootfs/swap/kernel/etc.. data but the 32Gb eMMC storage remains intact after a reflash, since the root/swap/kernel etc.. are in another flash space |
| 15:16.34 | javispedro | I guess just doing "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and ensuring no errors suffices |
| 15:16.58 | ShadowJK | if you crash often you'll end up corrupting the emmc and will have to flash that too :) |
| 15:17.46 | eMHa | odin_: hm, but there's home of user |
| 15:17.51 | odin_ | Stskeeps, understood the ROI issue, this is why I say another player in the market will make that move, it doesn't happen to be Nokia, but hey, thats good for everyone right ? I mean a little competition in the ARM based Linux smart-computer-phone space |
| 15:18.10 | odin_ | eMHa, home of user is on eMMC |
| 15:18.18 | eMHa | hm |
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| 15:18.25 | eMHa | and is not accessible via usb |
| 15:18.36 | javispedro | nope |
| 15:18.37 | eMHa | hm, litlle problem... |
| 15:19.02 | timeless_mbp | eMHa: backup the eMMC MyDocs volume via usb |
| 15:19.04 | recalcati | hrw: I don't find the crapbox link, anyway a qemu or similar as emulator is really important |
| 15:19.14 | eMHa | timeless_mbp: yeah, allready done |
| 15:19.26 | timeless_mbp | in theory someday Mer will boot from microSD for the n900 |
| 15:19.36 | eMHa | ok, i will try in the hope i'm wrong what i've messed |
| 15:19.38 | timeless_mbp | and you could then just boot it and muck w/ the altroot home |
| 15:19.42 | eMHa | downloading flasher... |
| 15:19.46 | jkimball4 | If I flash a device, does MyDocs get deleted? |
| 15:19.48 | odin_ | eMHa, so you are saying your .profile on /home/user/.profile is broken and even if you reflash it wont fix it, cus that will only modify rootfs ? |
| 15:19.48 | timeless_mbp | dunno if it does yet |
| 15:19.55 | timeless_mbp | jkimball4: depends what you flash |
| 15:19.58 | timeless_mbp | normal flash is ubifs |
| 15:20.03 | eMHa | odin_: i think so |
| 15:20.07 | timeless_mbp | but you can flash eMMC which is ext3+vfat |
| 15:20.10 | eMHa | but perhaps i'm wrong |
| 15:20.11 | timeless_mbp | vfat=MyDocs |
| 15:20.23 | javispedro | andre__: latest version of SDK has "Add widget", and offers me to add the RSS widget |
| 15:20.23 | eMHa | only option i have i think |
| 15:20.25 | odin_ | ah there we go then, you can flash the whole thing back to factory defaults, OneNAND and eMMC |
| 15:20.29 | timeless_mbp | eMHa: that's roughly correct |
| 15:20.31 | andre__ | javispedro, thanks |
| 15:20.31 | jkimball4 | timeless_mbp: does the nokia software updater let me choose? |
| 15:20.49 | timeless_mbp | jkimball4: NSU should never do eMMC afaiu |
| 15:20.53 | javispedro | andre__: since on the default SDK desktop the RSS widget is already on screen 1 (iirc), maybe he just doesn't have any more widgets to add |
| 15:20.59 | timeless_mbp | flasher3.5 lets you do whatever |
| 15:21.24 | eMHa | i've also saved my backup directory :-) |
| 15:21.31 | jkimball4 | timeless_mbp: well my n900 randomly shuts off so i want to flash to see maybe that fixes it |
| 15:21.36 | odin_ | bug 6720 |
| 15:21.38 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 Add the ability for Flasher and NOLO to download data |
| 15:21.50 | hrw | recalcati: s/crapbox/scratchbox/ and you will easier find it |
| 15:21.57 | timeless_mbp | jkimball4: i'd use flasher3.5 |
| 15:22.08 | jkimball4 | is the end result the same? |
| 15:22.10 | timeless_mbp | you're not an end user if you're trying to fix things |
| 15:22.26 | eMHa | some kind of serial console would be cool now ;-) |
| 15:22.34 | timeless_mbp | flasher3.5 can do exactly what NSU does (minus downloading the image automatically) |
| 15:22.39 | timeless_mbp | or it can do more, or it can do less |
| 15:23.09 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, ping? |
| 15:23.20 | recalcati | scratchbox . yes, I remember |
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| 15:24.16 | fnordianslip | andre__: i get the "add widgets" button too, as i've just used it |
| 15:24.24 | hrw | ok, time to reboot desktop just to test will n900 work as storage again.... |
| 15:24.30 | andre__ | fnordianslip, thanks |
| 15:24.37 | fnordianslip | andre__: ah, just read bug closed :) |
| 15:24.47 | andre__ | well, still: appreciated :) |
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| 15:27.50 | hrw | shit |
| 15:29.43 | lardman|home | What's the issue with 3 SIM cards all about? |
| 15:29.52 | Stskeeps | bugfix coming in PR1.1 |
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| 15:30.35 | lardman|home | what is the problem? |
| 15:30.45 | Stskeeps | dunno, not a HW guy |
| 15:30.48 | Stskeeps | but it's an admitted one |
| 15:30.59 | lardman|home | fair enough |
| 15:31.56 | hrw | bye |
| 15:32.01 | canc | I've got a question about mfe with google |
| 15:32.01 | lardman|home | cu hrw |
| 15:32.19 | hrw | Stskeeps: in 2010.03-12? |
| 15:32.20 | hrw | ;D |
| 15:32.21 | odin_ | Stskeeps, so what is the word on the serial-console is there a hobby-kit version? (or other kernel diagnostic, for those wishing to fix kernels/kexec/bootloaders) |
| 15:32.22 | timeless_mbp | http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/11/10/nokia-n900-begins-shipping/ |
| 15:32.29 | timeless_mbp | explains the problem fairly clearly |
| 15:32.30 | canc | each time I configure it, the connexion works all right, but it get stuck |
| 15:32.46 | timeless_mbp | There is a limited number of new Hutchison 3G SIM cards in some markets (UK, Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, Austria and Italy) that require a specific SIM ATK support from the mobile device. The Nokia N900 has not originally been designed to support this requirement. |
| 15:32.49 | Stskeeps | hrw|gone: hopefuly before xmas, but i wouldn't personally mind it being later as my xmas would be ruined by packag eupdates |
| 15:32.52 | canc | and, it doesn't seem ti end all right |
| 15:32.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:33.13 | Stskeeps | odin_: see if the solution that worked for n810 works on n900 |
| 15:33.16 | canc | is there a log file somewhere, so I can try to figure out what's going on ? |
| 15:34.05 | odin_ | Stskeeps, its been said that host-mode-USB might be a compiled kernel / driver issue, have you looked into / thought about this angle ? |
| 15:34.20 | Stskeeps | odin_: not a kernel developer |
| 15:34.36 | timeless_mbp | odin_: so um |
| 15:34.41 | timeless_mbp | this stuff has been beaten to death |
| 15:34.46 | timeless_mbp | read the logs and mailing lists |
| 15:34.49 | timeless_mbp | don't abuse the living |
| 15:35.05 | redeeman | timeless_mbp: i wonder if my operator gives out new sim cards that are those nonworking ones |
| 15:35.07 | odin_ | Stskeeps, well when my Fedora12 works on this PC I shall finally get SDK installed but its looking to be after holiday period |
| 15:35.13 | timeless_mbp | generally speaking though, nothing we've done in Maemo Devices has involved intentionally cripling hardware |
| 15:35.24 | timeless_mbp | either the hardware didn't work, or we didn't have time to get it right |
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| 15:35.41 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah.. that's the discussion right now, if the pins were actually removed or not |
| 15:35.56 | timeless_mbp | well can they beat this dead horse outside? |
| 15:36.21 | peterbrett | timeless_mbp: How will it run faster if they don't beat it? |
| 15:36.21 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, the talk item I read had no answers, which logs are you talking about ? its not been talked of on the mailing list in the time Ive been subscribed (which admittedly is not that long) |
| 15:36.43 | timeless_mbp | odin_: did you know that mailinglists have archives? |
| 15:37.10 | timeless_mbp | peterbrett: i didn't say not to beat it, just that i don't want them beating it *here* |
| 15:37.33 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, no one is saying things are crippled (Re network Three) that just a corner case extra things that is being mopped up in next release, I think people would be fine with that (I know i would be) |
| 15:37.37 | lardman|home | bbiab |
| 15:38.10 | eMHa | is now flashing... |
| 15:38.28 | eMHa | are there other key combos like pressing u while turing on? |
| 15:39.04 | Stskeeps | hm, some claim ovi store up |
| 15:39.30 | timeless_mbp | coming soon according to my link from apps |
| 15:39.35 | range | How many apps? One? |
| 15:39.53 | Stskeeps | i hope for Bounce levels |
| 15:39.53 | timeless_mbp | odin_: err |
| 15:39.57 | lbt_ | andre__: did you see the email addresses in: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/maemo-examples/example_camera.c |
| 15:39.58 | microlith | whee, N900 in the mail |
| 15:40.01 | timeless_mbp | it was never an advertised feature |
| 15:40.14 | timeless_mbp | mopping up something that wasn't advertised is totally misinterpretting how things work |
| 15:40.21 | timeless_mbp | if we claim "x will work" |
| 15:40.22 | lbt_ | (we were looking at examples in a documentation discussion) |
| 15:40.25 | timeless_mbp | and <x> doesn't work |
| 15:40.32 | timeless_mbp | then it's roughly speaking our job to mop up x |
| 15:40.36 | lbt_ | Bounce levels? |
| 15:40.37 | timeless_mbp | if we never claim "x will work" |
| 15:40.44 | eMHa | puh, it booted... |
| 15:40.46 | recalcati | Anybody knows why I have this pb installing beta2? E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable. |
| 15:40.46 | timeless_mbp | then there's nothing for us to mop up when x doesn't work |
| 15:40.46 | lbt_ | wants a Bounce level creator |
| 15:40.47 | Stskeeps | lbt_: yeah, additional levels for Bounce |
| 15:40.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:41.11 | lbt_ | hmm, where's the texture for the apples.... Mer logo.... |
| 15:41.14 | eMHa | half of my settings are there !? |
| 15:41.14 | andre__ | lbt, haha, no. thanks :-) |
| 15:41.18 | timeless_mbp | nokia might do lots of things wrong, but this isn't one of them |
| 15:41.42 | timeless_mbp | eMHa: so... |
| 15:41.47 | timeless_mbp | roughly speaking if reflashing only ubifs fixed it |
| 15:41.56 | timeless_mbp | then your change to .profile was not really how you ruined your device |
| 15:42.05 | GAN900 | Jose-Luiz Martinez said it would be up soon. |
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| 15:42.20 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: is that like the store guy who claimed they'd fix the display case? |
| 15:42.25 | lbt_ | andre__: I was right about the non-Nokia though <evil grin> |
| 15:42.29 | eMHa | timeless_mbp: so i check if it wasn't my .profile |
| 15:42.29 | timeless_mbp | time for me to organize my field trip |
| 15:42.46 | timeless_mbp | eMHa: and if it wasn't, you apologize :) |
| 15:42.52 | timeless_mbp | we get beaten up badly enough here |
| 15:42.59 | timeless_mbp | we don't need our sores to go untended |
| 15:43.20 | timeless_mbp | if you want to complain to Nokia Care and curse them, that's fine |
| 15:43.21 | eMHa | yes,i apologize |
| 15:43.22 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, dunno, Nseries VP may be more enabled, however. |
| 15:43.27 | timeless_mbp | they're paid to take your complaints |
| 15:43.27 | xorAxAx | hmm, doesnt xournal work in xephyr? |
| 15:43.31 | xorAxAx | i cant paint |
| 15:43.39 | timeless_mbp | eMHa: =) |
| 15:43.42 | eMHa | sorry |
| 15:43.49 | timeless_mbp | sorry you needed to reflash |
| 15:43.52 | eMHa | so it must be something else i've messed up... |
| 15:43.55 | timeless_mbp | i'd suggest you create a backup regularly :) |
| 15:44.13 | eMHa | yeah, only have this n900 since 04.12. |
| 15:44.33 | eMHa | and yesterday i first installed rsync for backups |
| 15:44.38 | eMHa | but hadn't set it up yet |
| 15:44.56 | timeless_mbp | note that you don't want one backup, you want some series system ;-) |
| 15:45.16 | eMHa | i don't understand series system? |
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| 15:45.28 | timeless_mbp | dunno, incremental, daily |
| 15:45.29 | eMHa | i've put the n900 into my server management |
| 15:45.38 | timeless_mbp | not just rsync x fixed-remote-path |
| 15:45.59 | eMHa | nono |
| 15:46.05 | eMHa | i've complete backup scripts |
| 15:46.06 | timeless_mbp | good :) |
| 15:46.08 | eMHa | for my other servers |
| 15:46.20 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 15:46.22 | eMHa | i can tell backup from server x to server y with rsync these dirs |
| 15:46.23 | Stskeeps | http://store.ovi.mobi |
| 15:46.29 | eMHa | and make hardlink copies |
| 15:46.36 | eMHa | x |
| 15:46.39 | eMHa | and so on |
| 15:47.00 | timeless_mbp | gets solitaire from store.ovi.movi |
| 15:47.02 | timeless_mbp | EEP! |
| 15:47.10 | timeless_mbp | it wants me to have a nokia account |
| 15:47.21 | timeless_mbp | cool |
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| 15:47.28 | timeless_mbp | store.ovi.mobi works in portrait mode :) |
| 15:47.36 | timeless_mbp | can i borrow someone's ovi store account? :) |
| 15:47.37 | flux | it's opened for n900? |
| 15:47.49 | timeless_mbp | flux: Stskeeps 's url works in my browser |
| 15:47.52 | eMHa | wow |
| 15:47.59 | flux | nice |
| 15:47.59 | eMHa | they are /fast/ ;-) |
| 15:48.02 | timeless_mbp | there are ~5 free things |
| 15:48.06 | Stskeeps | is checking is there's anything remotely usable |
| 15:48.10 | timeless_mbp | but... i'm not signing up |
| 15:48.11 | flux | :) |
| 15:48.16 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: grab solitaire for me |
| 15:48.22 | eMHa | hm |
| 15:48.23 | lbt_ | "Ovi Store is currently not available for your device." |
| 15:48.32 | eMHa | i think my whole settings are there after reflashing!? |
| 15:48.38 | timeless_mbp | lbt_: you visited http://store.ovi.mobi from the browser |
| 15:48.39 | eMHa | only installed apps are missing |
| 15:48.43 | lbt_ | my desktop's not *that* heavy |
| 15:48.45 | timeless_mbp | eMHa: roughly |
| 15:48.48 | timeless_mbp | settings live in ~ |
| 15:48.55 | timeless_mbp | (mostly, minus wifi and a few others) |
| 15:49.01 | timeless_mbp | ~ is on eMMC in ext3 |
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| 15:49.12 | timeless_mbp | wifi and gconf and apps live in / which is ubifs |
| 15:49.12 | eMHa | yeah, wifi is lost |
| 15:49.15 | timeless_mbp | which is what you reflashed |
| 15:49.18 | eMHa | u r right |
| 15:49.23 | lbt_ | wow ... the porn is at #3 already |
| 15:49.24 | Stskeeps | ebook apps.. |
| 15:49.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:49.33 | timeless_mbp | ooh bounce is on page 2 |
| 15:49.37 | timeless_mbp | w/ a dozen other games |
| 15:49.43 | timeless_mbp | ok, someone ... please share your ovi account |
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| 15:50.11 | lbt_ | "pee monkey toilet trainer" |
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| 15:50.15 | lbt_ | OMG |
| 15:50.16 | eMHa | ok, my server ssh keys are lost |
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| 15:50.28 | eMHa | but i've the same in my chroot on microSD |
| 15:50.31 | Stskeeps | Level Touch isn't a bad idea |
| 15:50.46 | derf | timeless_mbp: http://www.bugmenot.com/view/store.ovi.mobi |
| 15:50.53 | timeless_mbp | derf: yeah |
| 15:50.58 | timeless_mbp | already there |
| 15:51.01 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 15:52.15 | timeless_mbp | derf: isn't working? :( |
| 15:52.28 | derf | Hey, you get what you pay for. |
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| 15:53.17 | eMHa | ok, next time i will take more care when messing with my new n900 |
| 15:53.32 | eMHa | ssh is back :-D |
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| 15:54.06 | timeless_mbp | derf: =( |
| 15:54.12 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 15:54.16 | timeless_mbp | i think we have test accounts somewhere |
| 15:54.38 | VDVsx | humm, ovi already open for maemo ? o_0 |
| 15:54.51 | javispedro | hey, someone copied someone's "resistor" app in ovi store ;) |
| 15:55.44 | redeeman | resistor app? |
| 15:55.53 | javispedro | well, they're on the right track to pursue the iphone. No app felt useful to me :) |
| 15:56.02 | javispedro | redeeman: resistor colors table app |
| 15:56.08 | redeeman | ah |
| 15:56.09 | javispedro | *color code |
| 15:57.36 | redeeman | when i go to the store it just says "coming soon" |
| 15:57.53 | timeless_mbp | redeeman: http://store.ovi.mobi |
| 15:57.59 | timeless_mbp | don't use the thing in the app launcher |
| 15:58.27 | redeeman | isn't that weird? |
| 15:58.39 | Stskeeps | not really |
| 15:58.52 | javispedro | and the .mobi one looks pretty... featurephoneish |
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| 15:59.07 | VDVsx | is disappointed no fart app so far :( |
| 15:59.10 | javispedro | I feel like If I were browsing through java apps |
| 15:59.29 | TweaK | yay receiving my n900 tomorrow :> |
| 15:59.29 | Myrtti | VDVsx: no bbq app either yet |
| 16:00.02 | VDVsx | Myrtti, :) |
| 16:00.12 | javispedro | so did anyone try to download any app already? is there an ovi repo? |
| 16:00.16 | timeless_mbp | redeeman: most likely it's in beta |
| 16:00.25 | timeless_mbp | when they're ready, the main link will work |
| 16:01.01 | microlith | SinofEnvy: where'd you order from? |
| 16:01.17 | joppu | Contrast lowered due to public demand: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/805039/img/glossy_test2.png |
| 16:01.35 | redeeman | javispedro: who made the original resistor app? |
| 16:01.36 | joppu | If anyone wants th installation file for testing, just ask. |
| 16:01.38 | SinofEnvy | microlith, uh... a Dutch site. smartphoneshop.nl. They had them in stock for like a day, so I cancelled my order at this other shop and ordered it from there |
| 16:01.44 | SinofEnvy | and they sent it today |
| 16:01.44 | javispedro | redeeman: I don't remember, was on tmo |
| 16:01.48 | microlith | SinofEnvy: nice timing :) |
| 16:01.54 | SinofEnvy | tell me about it |
| 16:02.09 | SinofEnvy | I can't wait |
| 16:02.09 | microlith | mine will be arriving from newegg here tomorrow |
| 16:02.12 | range | Oh, there's music on there ... |
| 16:02.29 | timeless_mbp | joppu: hit me |
| 16:02.31 | SinofEnvy | nice, was/is there a supply shortage in the US as well? |
| 16:02.46 | microlith | SinofEnvy: only through non-nokia retailers it seems |
| 16:02.59 | SinofEnvy | I know in the Netherlands and UK at least they're pretty much unavailable for now (until next batch) |
| 16:03.10 | microlith | newegg just got a shipment in it seems |
| 16:03.11 | SinofEnvy | even from Nokia Europe |
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| 16:03.27 | microlith | ok, time for me to get to work |
| 16:04.26 | joppu | timeless_mbp: uhm? |
| 16:04.37 | timeless_mbp | joppu: your .install file or whatever |
| 16:04.39 | VDVsx | downloads a trailer |
| 16:04.46 | joppu | timeless_mbp: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/805039/maemo/glossy_all.deb |
| 16:04.49 | joppu | :) |
| 16:05.33 | javispedro | I am going to kill every one on tmo |
| 16:05.58 | VDVsx | javispedro, wait a second,I'm there right now |
| 16:05.59 | joppu | timeless_mbp: just a reminder, there is probably a nasty bug in the SMS view, but that's something I can't do anything about |
| 16:06.50 | timeless_mbp | crosses fingers |
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| 16:06.58 | SinofEnvy | to thhose with N900s, can I have one (or both) of the camera flashes on when recording a vid? |
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| 16:07.28 | timeless_mbp | joppu: eventually your theme preview needs work :) |
| 16:07.57 | timeless_mbp | joppu: i don't think the blue drop down arrows by menus fits with your gray-glass theme |
| 16:08.06 | ab[out] | SinofEnvy, not with stock camera application |
| 16:08.07 | xorAxAx | javispedro: regarding the add widget bug ... you think that my sdk is too old? |
| 16:08.13 | recalcati | I don't understand which is the correct starting point for having maemo5 sdk installed on my pc |
| 16:08.21 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, there's a Ovi catalog |
| 16:08.29 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: urlme? |
| 16:08.30 | javispedro | xorAxAx: either your SDK is too old, you don't have nokia-binaries, or you already have the RSS widget |
| 16:08.39 | recalcati | now I'm running http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html |
| 16:08.41 | xorAxAx | javispedro: probably, i do, no |
| 16:08.42 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, 1 sec |
| 16:08.49 | VDVsx | updating now |
| 16:09.02 | xorAxAx | javispedro: i downloaded it last week |
| 16:09.11 | timeless_mbp | joppu: the rest of your theme uses a darker bluish purple |
| 16:09.16 | timeless_mbp | if you made the drop arrow use that, it might be better |
| 16:09.35 | timeless_mbp | joppu: also, can you open 'profiles' in settings? |
| 16:09.39 | jebba | recalcati: how do you like SDK+ (scratchbox2) versus the "standard" SDK? |
| 16:09.42 | javispedro | xorAxAx: what does apt-cache policy osso-rss-feed-reader-applet show on "Installed:"? |
| 16:09.48 | SinofEnvy | ab[out], okay, thanks. |
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| 16:10.39 | GAN900 | OK, I have YET to see a SINGLE Ovi review in English on either the S60 or Maemo stores. . . . |
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| 16:10.54 | xorAxAx | javispedro: Installed: 1.6.41-2+0m5 |
| 16:11.02 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, https://dowloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ovi/ |
| 16:11.10 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, dist: ./ |
| 16:11.11 | joppu | timeless_mbp: the arrow need to be hacked seperately, I don't have profiles in the SDK settings |
| 16:11.23 | javispedro | xorAxAx: your issue is that Add widget is missing or that the entire menu is missing? |
| 16:11.23 | recalcati | jebba: installing beta2 I had that pb: E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable. |
| 16:11.38 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, comp field is empty |
| 16:11.42 | timeless_mbp | joppu: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/Screenshot-20091210-181035.png |
| 16:11.55 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: thanks |
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| 16:12.20 | timeless_mbp | joppu: the icons for available in HAM are unfortunate |
| 16:12.21 | xorAxAx | javispedro: both ... now i found the rss widget (i also have another one). now i restarted xephyr, removed the rss one and i get a menu and the button |
| 16:12.28 | recalcati | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ is right? |
| 16:12.33 | Elerion | hi |
| 16:12.33 | xorAxAx | javispedro: before, i didnt get the button even though only one widget was active |
| 16:12.45 | javispedro | two widgets? |
| 16:12.50 | javispedro | the sdk only comes with one widget -- the rss one. |
| 16:13.00 | xorAxAx | i have gpe calendar installed |
| 16:13.04 | xorAxAx | which is /now/ showing up |
| 16:13.05 | timeless_mbp | hey has anyone made a "Share with scp" plugin? |
| 16:13.09 | timeless_mbp | really really wants one |
| 16:13.10 | xorAxAx | but wasnt before |
| 16:13.22 | javispedro | so the issue is that the sdk is not refreshing the list of widgets |
| 16:13.27 | timeless_mbp | joppu: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/Screenshot-20091210-181226.png |
| 16:13.52 | mgedmin | wants subversion or git or bzr for fremantle |
| 16:14.04 | xorAxAx | javispedro: yes |
| 16:14.07 | lbt_ | apt-get |
| 16:14.14 | lbt_ | mgedmin: apt-get |
| 16:14.27 | mgedmin | tried, they're not in extras-devel |
| 16:14.28 | anidel | timeless: that would be nice.. share via scp.. but I also miss a share via picasaweb |
| 16:14.29 | Elerion | How to compile a C source on n900? I tried to get gcc cpp binutils etc, but i can't. |
| 16:14.32 | lbt_ | git is in extras-<mumble> |
| 16:14.44 | lbt_ | you sure? |
| 16:14.54 | timeless_mbp | Elerion: you need tools or sdk or something |
| 16:14.56 | mgedmin | maybe the package was renamed to 'git'? |
| 16:15.00 | timeless_mbp | it's not in a default repo |
| 16:15.02 | mgedmin | I tried git-core, which is how it's called in Debian/Ubuntu |
| 16:15.11 | lbt_ | mgedmin: way too sane :) |
| 16:15.22 | timeless_mbp | joppu: progress boxes are unreadable |
| 16:15.38 | mgedmin | apparently there was a prior project nobody ever heard about (GNU Interactive Tools) that claimed the short package name |
| 16:15.49 | lbt_ | mgedmin: "I was there" |
| 16:16.06 | lbt_ | however "FIXEDINSQUEEZE" |
| 16:16.11 | lbt_ | IIRC |
| 16:16.12 | mgedmin | woohoo! |
| 16:16.14 | javispedro | RST38h: vultures got throught the autobuilder |
| 16:16.33 | timeless_mbp | joppu: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/Screenshot-20091210-181513.png |
| 16:16.34 | joppu | timeless_mbp: let's handle this in query |
| 16:16.35 | mgedmin | is dreading the upcoming data transfer from loaner N900 to DDP N900 |
| 16:16.37 | Elerion | Timeless: I'm sure there must be a way to compile the source on a device. |
| 16:16.39 | timeless_mbp | joppu: ok |
| 16:16.44 | timeless_mbp | Elerion: sure |
| 16:16.50 | timeless_mbp | if you install the repos that have dev stuff |
| 16:16.58 | lbt_ | mgedmin: the Debian packagers came onto the git-dev mailing list.... we weren't polite to him |
| 16:16.59 | timeless_mbp | you can install the apps which let you compile stuff |
| 16:17.09 | timeless_mbp | if you don't install the repos or the tools, then no |
| 16:17.17 | timeless_mbp | 99.99% of users don't build stuff on device |
| 16:17.17 | mgedmin | lbt_, url to archives? |
| 16:17.18 | anidel | http://store.ovi.mobi with free apps? |
| 16:17.27 | timeless_mbp | so it's a very large waste of valuable rootfs |
| 16:17.31 | lbt_ | Inbox.Linux.git |
| 16:17.39 | mgedmin | old thread/recent thread? |
| 16:17.39 | VDVsx | anidel, yes |
| 16:17.44 | anidel | cool |
| 16:17.46 | lbt_ | very very old |
| 16:17.54 | mgedmin | ah, okay |
| 16:18.41 | GAN900 | Can't install any of them |
| 16:18.44 | Elerion | Timeless: I'd like to try anyway. What's the repos? |
| 16:18.51 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 16:18.54 | timeless_mbp | i didn't say it wasn't possible |
| 16:18.58 | timeless_mbp | i said you need to add the pieces |
| 16:19.01 | timeless_mbp | gives up |
| 16:19.05 | mgedmin | nope, W: Unable to locate package git |
| 16:19.11 | GAN900 | h-a-m chugs along for a couple of minutes then reports package not found. |
| 16:19.17 | mgedmin | :( |
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| 16:21.12 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: i get Checking for upd|ates, please wait |
| 16:21.20 | timeless_mbp | the progress bar is stuck at | |
| 16:21.23 | lbt_ | mgedmin: mine is in /scratchbox/devkits/git/bin/git |
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| 16:21.45 | lbt_ | which may mean it's in sbox now, not fremantle... which may mean not on the devide |
| 16:21.52 | mgedmin | what scratchbox, I want it on my actual device |
| 16:21.54 | mgedmin | :/ |
| 16:22.02 | lbt_ | lcuk: ping.... do you use git on the tablet? |
| 16:22.15 | frals | major points for the n900 today at uni, a friend needed help with his apache.conf, i pulled up my n900, ssh'd to my server and showed him my config |
| 16:22.16 | mgedmin | I want to version my ~/.profile and friends |
| 16:22.16 | VDVsx | downloaded a trailer from ovi with .dm as a extension 0_0, doesn't work here,lol |
| 16:22.22 | frals | jaws were dropping... :D |
| 16:22.30 | javispedro | VDVsx: rename that to ".drm" ;) |
| 16:22.38 | VDVsx | lolol |
| 16:22.54 | mgedmin | I'm pretty sure diablo had subversion, maybe I should just rebuild |
| 16:22.57 | anidel | valerio: noticed the same... |
| 16:23.03 | lbt_ | mgedmin: use git |
| 16:23.13 | lbt_ | it's in diablo extras |
| 16:23.16 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: hrm, so the stores are dead |
| 16:23.20 | lbt_ | so should be easy to port over |
| 16:23.22 | mgedmin | lbt_, actually, I'd like to, but I can never figure out how to mirror git repos |
| 16:23.23 | timeless_mbp | cool, i hope they close mexico city too |
| 16:23.30 | lbt_ | mgedmin: ask... |
| 16:23.35 | mgedmin | there's no git push ssh://server/nonexistentdirectory |
| 16:23.48 | mgedmin | people have tried to show me, with little success ... |
| 16:24.00 | anidel | timeless: it's re Nokia closing down its flagships stores? |
| 16:24.27 | lbt_ | mgedmin: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:24.37 | timeless_mbp | http://nokiaexperts.com/breaking-nokia-closing-flagship-stores-york-chicago/ |
| 16:24.46 | timeless_mbp | from VDVsx 's comment earlier |
| 16:25.01 | anidel | yeah I've read that already |
| 16:25.33 | redeeman | i wonder how store.ovi.mobi detects the device, not from the useragent it seems |
| 16:25.35 | mgedmin | lbt_, use a version control system for backups |
| 16:26.05 | lbt_ | mgedmin: mmm use rsync |
| 16:26.16 | mgedmin | rsync is a bloody PITA |
| 16:26.16 | lbt_ | and rsback |
| 16:26.34 | lbt_ | yeah, but it's efficient in many dimensions |
| 16:26.36 | mgedmin | and I want to version my dotfiles and bash scripts, not just have the latest copy |
| 16:26.51 | mgedmin | I need efficiency usability-wise, mostly |
| 16:26.56 | redeeman | rdiff-backup could always be used :P |
| 16:26.57 | lbt_ | ah, so local vcs |
| 16:27.01 | redeeman | ofcourse svn is probably nicer |
| 16:27.04 | mgedmin | svn works kinda well, but the .svn subdirs scattered everywhere annoy me |
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| 16:27.13 | lbt_ | use git with a local repo |
| 16:27.17 | lbt_ | and setup a clone |
| 16:27.22 | lbt_ | and then push to it |
| 16:27.24 | mgedmin | precisely what I ant |
| 16:27.27 | mgedmin | s/ant/want/ |
| 16:27.37 | mgedmin | if I could only figure out how to set up a clone |
| 16:27.41 | lbt_ | use git-server on the backup - started from init |
| 16:27.43 | mgedmin | scp maybe |
| 16:28.05 | mgedmin | don't wanna new server with a new tcp port with new dnat rules and new authentication issues, I want ssh |
| 16:28.31 | lardman | hmm, just played with one of those huge screen HTC WinMo devices |
| 16:28.34 | lardman | was very slow |
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| 16:28.50 | lbt_ | meh then use ssh to tunnel. git doesn't really use ssh. |
| 16:29.00 | lardman | but the email preview was nice, arranged like pieces of paper which you flick past to the next one |
| 16:29.21 | lbt_ | ssh -L XX:server:XX; git push localhost |
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| 16:30.06 | mgedmin | lbt_, I don't believe that's the only way |
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| 16:30.13 | mgedmin | git clone support ssh natively |
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| 16:31.06 | mgedmin | nah, I just need to find a couple of hours, sit down and figure things out |
| 16:31.07 | lbt_ | yep - but not "best practice" and seems to produce bugs. IIRC which I may not |
| 16:32.45 | lbt_ | hmm, I could be thinking of http actually :) |
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| 16:33.40 | eMHa | so, i bricked second time! |
| 16:33.56 | eMHa | and it was my .profile which looped and bricked |
| 16:34.03 | lardman | by definition there is no second time with bricking |
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| 16:34.10 | Scummer | :) |
| 16:34.12 | eMHa | lardman: hehe |
| 16:34.21 | eMHa | i bricked first time |
| 16:34.29 | lcuk | lbt |
| 16:34.30 | eMHa | and i wanted to see what the reason was! |
| 16:34.36 | eMHa | i changed .profile |
| 16:34.37 | lcuk | yes |
| 16:34.41 | lardman | no, bricking is a one way street |
| 16:34.41 | eMHa | but |
| 16:34.45 | lcuk | but i cannot access https repositories |
| 16:34.45 | eMHa | bash was involved |
| 16:34.47 | lardman | once a brick forever a brick |
| 16:35.03 | eMHa | i had a loop only if bash is installed |
| 16:35.13 | eMHa | und after reflashing |
| 16:35.15 | eMHa | bash isn't installed |
| 16:35.43 | eMHa | timeless_mbp: and it was my .profile but in combination with bash |
| 16:35.54 | timeless_mbp | you *installed* BASH? |
| 16:35.59 | eMHa | yes |
| 16:36.01 | timeless_mbp | and you're surprised you bricked your device? |
| 16:36.03 | eMHa | it's in extras |
| 16:36.07 | eMHa | hehe |
| 16:36.08 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 16:36.15 | eMHa | i didn't changed default login to /bin/bash |
| 16:36.21 | eMHa | i let /bin/sh point to busybox |
| 16:36.22 | timeless_mbp | sorry. if you don't think that voids your warrantee ... |
| 16:36.38 | frals | its not a brick if it works after reflashing tbh ;o |
| 16:36.39 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 16:36.40 | eMHa | hey, i don't think i'm using my warantee |
| 16:36.45 | hardaker | just read back and notes: I created a git package yesterday... I don't have garage upload permission yet though. |
| 16:36.51 | timeless_mbp | my macbook pro's screen doesn't support tapping |
| 16:37.24 | lardman | Anyone know how Sheperd is coming along? |
| 16:37.41 | lardman | would be useful with Latitude location notifier to switch wireless on/off |
| 16:38.00 | eMHa | timeless_mbp: i wanted to know what bricked my N900, so i found out |
| 16:38.14 | eMHa | and i'm happy i know now :-) |
| 16:38.18 | timeless_mbp | eMHa: someone else complained that you shouldn't be able to brick it by using .profile |
| 16:38.29 | eMHa | yeah |
| 16:38.31 | timeless_mbp | the warranty void bit is really to the someone else |
| 16:38.33 | eMHa | so it is possible! |
| 16:38.37 | timeless_mbp | but my memory is too short |
| 16:38.42 | eMHa | if you put something into .profile which is bad |
| 16:38.50 | eMHa | your N900 doesn't start |
| 16:38.57 | timeless_mbp | but you said w/o bash, .profile didn't kill you, no? |
| 16:39.08 | eMHa | well |
| 16:39.20 | eMHa | it was a if bash is installed do something |
| 16:39.26 | eMHa | otherwise do what different |
| 16:39.38 | eMHa | so it is possible to do this if bash is not installed |
| 16:39.58 | timeless_mbp | wonders what looked for bash |
| 16:40.05 | eMHa | i had somtheing like |
| 16:40.09 | eMHa | if [ -x /bin/bash ] |
| 16:40.10 | eMHa | then |
| 16:40.12 | eMHa | .. |
| 16:40.13 | eMHa | else |
| 16:40.15 | eMHa | .. |
| 16:40.16 | eMHa | fi |
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| 16:40.22 | eMHa | in my .profile |
| 16:40.25 | mgedmin | a narrow miss |
| 16:40.27 | eMHa | if bash is installed |
| 16:40.31 | eMHa | there where some commands |
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| 16:40.58 | mgedmin | not the best check, though, better check if it's bash that's running .profile |
| 16:41.01 | eMHa | which could also be executed when no bash is installed |
| 16:41.03 | mgedmin | you can have both and still use /bin/sh |
| 16:41.04 | eMHa | my luck was |
| 16:41.09 | eMHa | that if bash wasn't installed |
| 16:41.14 | eMHa | the commands weren't executed |
| 16:41.27 | mgedmin | suggests if [ -n "$BASH_VERSION" ]; then |
| 16:41.51 | timeless_mbp | but roughly, i think most people should understand that pulling out an xterm |
| 16:41.57 | timeless_mbp | and randomly changing the file system is asking for trouble |
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| 16:42.15 | eMHa | timeless_mbp: yeah |
| 16:42.34 | eMHa | you're right |
| 16:42.37 | eMHa | but i'm a geek |
| 16:42.44 | eMHa | i need to do such things ;-) |
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| 16:43.00 | timeless_mbp | if this was a car, you'd have caused thousands of euros of damage :) |
| 16:43.09 | eMHa | timeless_mbp: it wasn't enough for me to see my device back in business |
| 16:43.14 | eMHa | i wanted to know what it was |
| 16:43.28 | timeless_mbp | yeah, i appreciate that |
| 16:43.52 | eMHa | timeless_mbp: yeah i better don't think about the money i could have lost |
| 16:44.02 | eMHa | now i know a little bit more about the deivce |
| 16:44.17 | eMHa | and this will hopefully prevent me from bricking again |
| 16:44.57 | eMHa | so putting something like exit in .profile could prevent your n900 from booting |
| 16:45.02 | Jaffa | Exciting new apps in the Ovi Store - like Pendulum Touch, Speedometer Touch, Snow Globe Touch, ... |
| 16:45.06 | eMHa | perhaps there is a way around this? |
| 16:45.17 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: my ham is still stuck |
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| 16:46.11 | lardman | hmm Ovi store works now? |
| 16:46.23 | anidel | lardman: http://store.ove.mobi |
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| 16:46.33 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: ooh, it finally got unstuck! |
| 16:46.36 | anidel | ovi.mobi |
| 16:46.47 | timeless_mbp | i have an update for supertux! |
| 16:47.05 | Jaffa | lardman: The link in the menu still goes through to the holding page, but opening http://store.ovi.mobi/ in the browser shows some content. Even paid stuff |
| 16:47.21 | lardman | oh right |
| 16:47.26 | anidel | Jaffa: were you able to install any of those apps? |
| 16:47.27 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/obi/./Packages = 404 |
| 16:47.29 | lbt_ | the desktop browser doesn't show N900 stuff |
| 16:47.45 | anidel | pendulum says: Unable to download "offscr-pendulum" package not found |
| 16:47.52 | anidel | what does "off screen" means? |
| 16:47.57 | timeless_mbp | lbt_: forge your useragent |
| 16:48.03 | Jaffa | anidel: I got the same error |
| 16:48.17 | timeless_mbp | anidel: the screen is an area on which things can be placed |
| 16:48.30 | timeless_mbp | anything which is on the screen is "off screen" |
| 16:48.42 | timeless_mbp | something which doesn't fit entirely "on screen" is "partially off screen" |
| 16:48.43 | lbt_ | timeless_mbp: is ovi worth it? |
| 16:48.50 | anidel | uhm ok |
| 16:48.53 | timeless_mbp | lbt_: not with a typo... |
| 16:49.01 | range | anidel: I guess it's the publisher :) |
| 16:49.09 | range | And no, backgammon isn#t downloadable either. |
| 16:49.25 | anidel | range: yup |
| 16:49.39 | range | But I have an update for bounce evolution :) |
| 16:49.45 | anidel | Offscreen "The S60 Touch Applications Company" |
| 16:50.02 | range | Oh. |
| 16:50.08 | range | S60 emulator? >:) |
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| 16:50.10 | lbt_ | don't suppose they have a free upgrade for Maps do they? |
| 16:50.27 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, I can download some stuff (music, trailers), but the rest is not available yet |
| 16:50.37 | lbt_ | considers offering "rm" as an upgrade. |
| 16:50.38 | VDVsx | and the media files are drm protected, lol |
| 16:50.41 | lardman | bbl |
| 16:50.49 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Do they play/work?! |
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| 16:51.00 | VDVsx | Jaffa, no |
| 16:51.04 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Ah. |
| 16:51.09 | anidel | may be it's just a beta and they're testing with some random apps? don't think so myself :P |
| 16:51.12 | VDVsx | .dm is the extension |
| 16:51.16 | timeless_mbp | presumably for the drm you need to get a key which comes some other way |
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| 16:51.23 | timeless_mbp | dm = digital music? :) |
| 16:51.30 | anidel | I assuem that .dm is for S60 as well |
| 16:51.41 | Jaffa | Some of the little apps look quite fun |
| 16:51.48 | VDVsx | Jaffa, those files work in my symbian device |
| 16:52.04 | anidel | see |
| 16:52.05 | Jaffa | "Disks Touch" has a review from a "peter.schneider" |
| 16:52.09 | range | .oO ( "Comes with no Music" ... ) |
| 16:52.25 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/dm |
| 16:52.34 | anidel | looks like it's Delta Music? |
| 16:52.42 | timeless_mbp | oh, delivery message |
| 16:52.44 | timeless_mbp | how obvious |
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| 16:52.49 | timeless_mbp | why didn't i think of that... |
| 16:53.03 | anidel | :) |
| 16:53.16 | anidel | and these were Trailers! |
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| 16:53.34 | timeless_mbp | wouldn't want you to copy them... |
| 16:53.44 | VDVsx | dunno lol |
| 16:53.50 | VDVsx | I can copy them from the web |
| 16:53.51 | VDVsx | lol |
| 16:53.56 | anidel | :) |
| 16:54.25 | anidel | but the Ovi catalog had some updated packages... minor numbers though |
| 16:54.58 | Jaffa | Ah! Tap on "Offscreen" - it's the name of the sodding developer! |
| 16:55.12 | Jaffa | "Offscreen - The S60 Touch Applications Compnay. http://www.offscr.com" |
| 16:55.17 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 16:55.18 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 16:55.32 | anidel | I wrote that before :p tsk! |
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| 16:57.08 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 16:57.20 | slonopotamus | fremantle kinda rocks |
| 16:57.34 | slonopotamus | i especially like contacts |
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| 16:59.56 | slonopotamus | how do you type '1'? |
| 17:00.10 | Stskeeps | fn? |
| 17:00.16 | zash | m/[lI1]/ |
| 17:00.32 | jpjokela | slonopotamus: Now you need only 0 and you can start coding! |
| 17:00.50 | slonopotamus | i mean... it isn't very easy to press fn and q |
| 17:01.04 | slonopotamus | simultaniously |
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| 17:01.32 | jpjokela | slonopotamus: There is probably a way to put fn to "lock mode" |
| 17:01.36 | jpjokela | or something, you know |
| 17:01.36 | slonopotamus | even worse, fn + a |
| 17:01.42 | anidel | press fn twice |
| 17:01.44 | anidel | it'll lock it |
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| 17:01.58 | anidel | press it again to unlock it |
| 17:02.26 | anidel | same for Shift (Caps Lock) |
| 17:03.06 | javispedro | slonopotamus: you don't have to press both simultaniously, at least in gtk/qt apps |
| 17:03.09 | anidel | you can press fn + a with one thumb |
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| 17:04.05 | slonopotamus | fn + a - agreed |
| 17:04.16 | slonopotamus | fn+q - woops |
| 17:04.47 | anidel | as javispedro said, you can press FN once, release it and then the letter |
| 17:04.48 | slonopotamus | err |
| 17:05.21 | slonopotamus | fn+shift+z gives $ |
| 17:05.23 | anidel | so one press and FN stays locked for a single char, press it twice and it stays locked until you press it again |
| 17:05.57 | slonopotamus | oh,k |
| 17:06.02 | Scummer | ah.. good to know |
| 17:06.22 | anidel | some for Shift |
| 17:06.25 | anidel | *same |
| 17:07.01 | anidel | to write accented letters, press FN then Sym then the accent you want and THEN the letter you want accented |
| 17:07.18 | javispedro | good to know? dont ya read the manuals? ;) |
| 17:07.22 | javispedro | reminds the maebar event ;) |
| 17:07.29 | slonopotamus | btw, gps doesn't work without cell connection at all |
| 17:07.33 | Scummer | what manual ? ;) |
| 17:07.51 | anidel | you might wonder how to then write a single ~ or ' or ` .. FN then Sym then the symbol (~ or ' or whatever) then space |
| 17:07.52 | javispedro | slonopotamus: yeah, seems ovi maps bugs though |
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| 17:08.01 | javispedro | slonopotamus: real performance should be similar to the disastrous n810 one |
| 17:08.19 | anidel | Scummer there should be a PDF in the device |
| 17:08.32 | javispedro | PDF? I got a bunch of html files. |
| 17:08.44 | anidel | oh ok.. that |
| 17:08.44 | slonopotamus | javi, at all means at all. damn, where's equals sign? |
| 17:09.01 | Scummer | manuals are for engineers.. |
| 17:09.17 | slonopotamus | and tab to autocomplete nicks... |
| 17:09.34 | Myrtti | Scummer: and for people that want more bang to their buck |
| 17:09.39 | Scummer | the tab i've been looking for as well.. to autocompletely commands |
| 17:09.55 | javispedro | slonopotamus: you tried without ovi maps? |
| 17:10.14 | Scummer | it is with the symbols.. but the tab should be on the physical keyboard |
| 17:10.16 | slonopotamus | javi, with what then? |
| 17:10.30 | javispedro | there's a debug tool roaming around bugs.maemo.org |
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| 17:10.45 | javispedro | ovi maps is absolutely awful and reaches uselessness for me |
| 17:10.59 | fnordianslip | ctrl+i works in xterm for tab |
| 17:11.06 | Scummer | hmm.. map tab to the pound sign? the pound ain't worth anything anymore anyway.. :) |
| 17:11.11 | slonopotamus | oouucchh |
| 17:11.12 | slonopotamus | i |
| 17:11.14 | slonopotamus | i |
| 17:11.16 | slonopotamus | a |
| 17:11.23 | slonopotamus | ccrraapp |
| 17:11.39 | Stskeeps | ..? |
| 17:11.42 | slonopotamus | iitt ttyyppeess eevveerryytthhiinngg ttwwiiccee.. |
| 17:11.54 | slonopotamus | ;;DD |
| 17:11.56 | anidel | what did you do? |
| 17:12.01 | Myrtti | :-DDDD |
| 17:12.06 | Scummer | ctrl+i does work.. is that in the manual as well ? |
| 17:12.06 | Myrtti | multifail |
| 17:12.15 | javispedro | yeah, got that bug once |
| 17:12.17 | Scummer | maybe i should start reading |
| 17:12.25 | javispedro | close the window and open it again |
| 17:12.50 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 17:12.56 | slonopotamus | it fixed |
| 17:13.39 | anidel | can someone test Xournal and vote for it in Extras Testing? only 2 votes missing to reach 10.. and it's been a month there :( |
| 17:13.48 | anidel | almost |
| 17:14.04 | mgedmin | Scummer, nah, ctrl+i simply has the same ASCII code as Tab in an xterm, every grizzled bearded Unix user knows that |
| 17:14.17 | Scummer | i don't have a beard :) |
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| 17:14.43 | Scummer | but man.. with the tab on the keyboard i never had to look that up.. learn something new everyday |
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| 17:15.54 | Scummer | mgedmin: i'm assuming the beard needs to be grey and your last name should closely resemble stallman to know that ? :) |
| 17:16.35 | mgedmin | ctrl+a throught ctrl+z are ASCII codes 1 through 26 |
| 17:16.37 | anidel | Scummer: wrong :p I don't have a beard and my italian name is far from "stallman" ;) |
| 17:16.38 | javispedro | anidel: is xournal optified? |
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| 17:16.55 | mgedmin | and then you get ctrl+[, \, ], ^, _ for 27 (aka ESC) through 31 |
| 17:16.57 | anidel | javispedro: no. If I optify it, it doesn't start |
| 17:16.59 | timeless_mbp | lol |
| 17:17.02 | timeless_mbp | i opened sketch |
| 17:17.02 | mgedmin | and ctrl-@ is ASCII 0 |
| 17:17.10 | timeless_mbp | and it gave me "can't open\nfile not found" |
| 17:17.15 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.16 | timeless_mbp | but i was *opening* sketch |
| 17:17.18 | javispedro | my rootfs went down 6% ... :P |
| 17:17.55 | anidel | pupnik: CTRL-s to pause screen scrolling, CTRL-q to un-pause it... dunno if it works in Terminal |
| 17:18.03 | mgedmin | should |
| 17:18.15 | anidel | javispedro :D I shall try optifying the libraries it depends on |
| 17:18.29 | mgedmin | nice little trap for people who don't know what they did to make their terminals freeze ;) |
| 17:18.40 | javispedro | maybe I am being paranoid but up so far I still had the same % as the device came |
| 17:18.42 | anidel | :) |
| 17:18.53 | Scummer | true true |
| 17:19.19 | timeless_mbp | hates ctrl-s/ctrl-q |
| 17:19.24 | Scummer | ctrl-s is easy to hit instead of ctrl-a |
| 17:19.24 | javispedro | what we need is the autobuilder to start optifying things |
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| 17:20.19 | anidel | javispedro; I still think it should be added to the Rules file by the developers, but it should be incorporated in the documentation when talking about packaging for Maemo. Is it there already? |
| 17:20.44 | anidel | I don't like the idea of autobuilder doing something the developer isn't aware of |
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| 17:21.30 | javispedro | anidel: one would be allowed to disable it, but by default I think it should optify |
| 17:21.46 | anidel | javispedro: I respectfully disagree :) |
| 17:21.57 | javispedro | the documentation says "maemo-optify" before dh_builddeb call |
| 17:21.58 | mgedmin | btw typing ctrl-^ is difficult on n900; so far I only managed by using the Ctrl toolbar button and pressing Fn+6 |
| 17:22.00 | javispedro | in debian/rules |
| 17:22.14 | javispedro | and maemo-optify in Build-Depends in debian/control iirc |
| 17:22.19 | anidel | javispedro: so fine.. a MAemo developer has no excuses to avoid it |
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| 17:23.06 | anidel | I will try it again tonight.. last time it made Xournal unable to start.. it made some mess with the links.. if I recall correctly it did move files but didn't link them |
| 17:23.21 | anidel | BUT if I fix it.. I will lose a month worth of votes :) |
| 17:23.24 | javispedro | anidel: I wouldn't mind because my apps don't tend to depend on lots of libraries... but you'll have to edit a bunch of libraries' debian/rules files for... |
| 17:23.37 | javispedro | something that could be done automatically :) |
| 17:24.01 | anidel | javispedro: yep.. so simply provide the tool to the developer and he'll run it against his files BEFORE uploading them to the autobuilder |
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| 17:24.29 | javispedro | or just edit dh_builddeb dammit :) |
| 17:24.55 | javispedro | you can get same result as what the autobuilder would get -- by running maemo-optify-deb package.deb |
| 17:25.56 | lardman | any ideas why this wouldn't work?: buf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file_at_scale(filename, 640, -1, TRUE, &error); |
| 17:25.56 | anidel | so.. I think something like this should be made explicit by the developer. We're moving around his files. He has to know that more clearly than a subtle change to builddeb o some automatic tool in autobuilder. |
| 17:26.13 | anidel | there's an 'error' there :p |
| 17:26.49 | anidel | height -1 ? |
| 17:26.59 | anidel | oh ok |
| 17:27.04 | lardman | should perform automatic scaling of that dimension so I read |
| 17:27.19 | anidel | which error do you get? |
| 17:27.30 | lardman | the odd thing is that buf==NULL and error is not set either |
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| 17:28.25 | anidel | is filename correct? |
| 17:28.48 | lardman | yes, but even if it weren't, one or other should be set |
| 17:29.06 | anidel | yep.. how is error defined? |
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| 17:29.20 | lardman | GError *error; |
| 17:29.38 | anidel | try GError *error = NULL; |
| 17:30.00 | anidel | is it allocating error automatically ? |
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| 17:30.18 | lardman | I think it should set it, then I should free it |
| 17:30.32 | derf | lardman: GErrors must be initialized before calling the function. |
| 17:30.35 | anidel | yes so it may check for error being set to null |
| 17:30.42 | lardman | ah ok |
| 17:30.44 | anidel | "must" or can? |
| 17:30.47 | derf | MUST. |
| 17:30.54 | derf | In the RFC sense. |
| 17:30.57 | lardman | ok, my fault then, thanks chaps |
| 17:31.01 | anidel | ok |
| 17:31.36 | derf | I think the idea is you can call a bunch of functions which can return a GError, and then only check at the end if anything went wrong, without leaking memory. |
| 17:32.05 | derf | Like most error handling schemes, this is mostly a pipe dream. |
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| 17:33.00 | anidel | derf: if you only check at the end, you only get the last error, do you? |
| 17:33.41 | lardman | or the latter fns fail to work as error is set? |
| 17:33.51 | lardman | which would explain all my issues in one go |
| 17:33.57 | anidel | A GError* must be initialized to NULL before passing its address to a function that can report errors. |
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| 17:34.08 | anidel | so it's the opposite.. |
| 17:34.14 | anidel | looks like to me.. |
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| 17:35.22 | anidel | in this way it's only allocated if there's an error, preserving memory in case everything is fine |
| 17:35.27 | lardman | and if it's not NULL, just return |
| 17:35.49 | anidel | because the assert fails.. there must be a check in the function |
| 17:35.55 | lardman | e.g. as if an error was being passed thought |
| 17:36.06 | lardman | s/thought/through |
| 17:36.11 | anidel | yep |
| 17:36.19 | anidel | and was not properly checked |
| 17:36.22 | lardman | right, so hopefully my code will now just work |
| 17:36.26 | derf | Ah, no, I was wrong. The docs say you're required to check the error after each function call. |
| 17:36.33 | anidel | exactly.. |
| 17:36.36 | derf | So I have no idea why they force you to initialize it. |
| 17:36.49 | lardman | for the reason you said |
| 17:36.49 | anidel | if you don't and error is set, then the next function will do nothing |
| 17:37.00 | anidel | they don't |
| 17:37.02 | lardman | so you can continue calling functions and they realise an error has already happened |
| 17:37.20 | derf | lardman: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-Error-Reporting.html disagrees. |
| 17:37.27 | lardman | oh |
| 17:37.27 | derf | It claims that such usage is always a bug. |
| 17:37.41 | anidel | GError *error; error = NULL; function (param1, param2, &error); |
| 17:37.52 | anidel | if (error != NULL) { check it } |
| 17:38.36 | anidel | yep.. piling up errors is incorrect |
| 17:38.53 | anidel | but the second function will just do nothing |
| 17:39.06 | anidel | so an error doesn't do more damage because of a faulty code |
| 17:40.16 | derf | You hope. |
| 17:40.23 | derf | It seems in no way guaranteed. |
| 17:40.33 | anidel | lardman: remember to always initialize your variables, some languages do that, C doesn't |
| 17:40.42 | anidel | derf: well of course not |
| 17:41.16 | anidel | derf: but it helps a bit.. better do nothing when error is set, than doing something when the environment is possibly unstable |
| 17:41.38 | lardman | anidel: I didn't think it needed it as I was passing a pointer and had to free what it returned |
| 17:41.56 | lardman | though it is my fault for not understanding how it dealt with non-NULL pointers |
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| 17:42.33 | anidel | lardman: well you were passing a non NULL value, it could have been a pointer to a correctly allocated memory |
| 17:42.43 | anidel | lardman: ignoring that would have possible generated a leak |
| 17:42.48 | anidel | *possibly |
| 17:42.58 | lardman | indeed, but most code doesn't check ;) |
| 17:43.09 | lardman | and I knew it wasn't pointing to anything, etc., etc. |
| 17:43.11 | anidel | doesn't mean you don't have to initialize :p |
| 17:43.18 | anidel | "you knew" :) |
| 17:43.20 | lardman | saves ops |
| 17:43.36 | anidel | doesn't help :P :) hihi |
| 17:43.49 | lardman | not here, but anyway :) |
| 17:43.54 | anidel | ahahah |
| 17:44.25 | anidel | anyway.. I always initialize and optimize somewhere else. It makes for a cleaner and safer code |
| 17:44.55 | anidel | and saves you from "oops" rather than "ops" |
| 17:45.27 | lardman | yes mother ;p |
| 17:45.45 | anidel | good boy ;) |
| 17:46.31 | anidel | sorry for being pedantic... |
| 17:46.54 | anidel | but I am a fan of clear code against optimized/unreadable one |
| 17:47.26 | anidel | I am also very pedantic about indentation of the code.. and Xournal code is NOT ! ARGH! :/ |
| 17:47.30 | fnordianslip | Weird. On my N900, in the (what shall i call it) applications grid (?) under More.. all of my applications with a capital F in their name have a weird looking "F" character, i.e. FileManager FMRadio, etc. |
| 17:47.55 | AbstractW | Dell Home has a pretty good deal on the N900. |
| 17:47.57 | AbstractW | $450 |
| 17:48.35 | fnordianslip | anyone else notice the starnge "F" characters? |
| 17:48.39 | red | joppu: are there any layouts with part of the screen visible? the touchkeyb seems awful large |
| 17:48.42 | fnordianslip | strange, even |
| 17:49.05 | anidel | fnordianslip: screenshot? |
| 17:49.07 | joppu | red: what? |
| 17:49.15 | AbstractW | funk, its not there anymore. |
| 17:49.23 | red | saw your image from 17:57 |
| 17:49.36 | red | guess you edited the button images or something? |
| 17:49.58 | joppu | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/805039/img/glossy_test2.png |
| 17:50.17 | fnordianslip | anidel: ok. in progress |
| 17:50.34 | joppu | red: http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/scr32.jpg |
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| 17:51.05 | red | latter seems quite fine |
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| 17:51.31 | joppu | red: It's the default one |
| 17:51.40 | AbstractW | I wonder if I should trust this retailer.. |
| 17:51.41 | AbstractW | http://esaleincshop.com/Mobile-Phones/Nokia-N900-Mobile-Computer-Unlocked-p16.html |
| 17:51.45 | red | looks so different from pc screen ha =) |
| 17:51.56 | red | if i had to guess, the glossy one looked like the original |
| 17:52.07 | anidel | thanks |
| 17:52.15 | nomis | not sure if the phone functionality does convince me. I don't want ear-imprints on the touchscreen :-/ |
| 17:52.28 | anidel | CTRL-SHIFT-P to make a screenshot |
| 17:52.45 | nomis | also the audio does sound a little bit muffled. |
| 17:53.01 | red | i just hate ending calls with my ear |
| 17:53.32 | fnordianslip | anidel: have the shot. best place to upload it? |
| 17:53.46 | fnordianslip | never mind |
| 17:53.50 | red | id take a capacitive screen with two-finger zoom over this one any day, but thats the only thing so far that bugs me.. will prolly get used to this one regardless |
| 17:53.50 | anidel | fnordianslip: flickr? picasa? wherever you have an account? |
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| 17:55.23 | fnordianslip | anidel: http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/screenshot00.png |
| 17:55.48 | anidel | uhm.. cool one :) |
| 17:56.13 | fnordianslip | anidel: is yours like that? |
| 17:56.44 | anidel | nope |
| 17:56.51 | fnordianslip | hmm. will try reboot |
| 17:56.56 | anidel | looks like the font is messed up.. yeah try that |
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| 17:57.27 | lardman | anidel: np :) |
| 17:57.59 | anidel | it's the solution to the np = p problem?? cool! |
| 17:58.52 | timeless_mbp | rebooting? |
| 17:59.20 | anidel | timeless: how do you recover from a faulty font? |
| 17:59.33 | timeless_mbp | rebuild font db and reboot? |
| 17:59.37 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
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| 17:59.43 | timeless_mbp | "don't do that" |
| 17:59.45 | anidel | are the tools in the N900? |
| 17:59.58 | timeless_mbp | the fontcache thing is |
| 18:00.03 | timeless_mbp | iirc droidfonts uses it |
| 18:00.12 | fnordianslip | anidel: my Fs are ok after reboot |
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| 18:00.41 | anidel | timeless: ok |
| 18:00.45 | fnordianslip | all other letters seem present and correct AFAICT |
| 18:01.27 | anidel | timeless and what's the command? |
| 18:01.49 | anidel | can't seem to find it.. you know it? |
| 18:02.02 | anidel | mkfont tools are not.. |
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| 18:03.39 | fnordianslip | should i raise a bug for the Fs ? |
| 18:04.07 | anidel | fc-cache... |
| 18:04.08 | nomis | fnordianslip: unless you have a way to reproduce the problem the bug-report is probably worthless. |
| 18:04.14 | anidel | fnordianslip: don't think so... |
| 18:04.26 | fnordianslip | like most of the ones i've done so far then :) |
| 18:04.27 | timeless_mbp | roughly |
| 18:04.37 | timeless_mbp | afaict, replacing fonts or localizations live requires a reboot |
| 18:04.44 | timeless_mbp | i was supposed to poke eero about that today |
| 18:04.49 | timeless_mbp | but got sidetracked |
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| 18:06.29 | RevdKathy | fnordianslip - did you tell your n900 to 'F off'? It took you literally |
| 18:06.57 | fnordianslip | RevdKathy: Nope, not yet - it's too shiney for that |
| 18:07.02 | anidel | these computers.. they always do whatever you tell them, never what you want them to do |
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| 18:07.17 | fnordianslip | indeed :) |
| 18:07.30 | RevdKathy | I know some men like that :p |
| 18:07.45 | anidel | Men always do whatever you tell them to do. |
| 18:07.56 | fnordianslip | or do nothing |
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| 18:07.58 | anidel | just their own personal way :p |
| 18:08.05 | RevdKathy | Yep, but never wwhat you want them to do |
| 18:08.06 | crashanddie | anidel: don't talk to the computer |
| 18:08.26 | fnordianslip | that's what the broken mic is for :) |
| 18:08.46 | anidel | crash: only when it has to 'F off' |
| 18:08.50 | anidel | anyway got to go now... |
| 18:08.55 | anidel | see you all later |
| 18:08.59 | fnordianslip | tra |
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| 18:15.22 | redeeman | the status bar thingie which has the battery and wifi indicator and the popup, what is the process name for that? hildon-status-menu? |
| 18:15.52 | redeeman | ah up |
| 18:15.56 | redeeman | yup* |
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| 18:27.35 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, :( |
| 18:27.49 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yes, please? |
| 18:28.02 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I was trying. Nobody would give me the proper strings, though. |
| 18:28.10 | andre__ | for? |
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| 18:28.17 | GeneralAntilles | To make a good report. |
| 18:28.30 | andre__ | errm... well, you know what I talk about, right? |
| 18:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | I had timeless's stringset installed. |
| 18:28.46 | GeneralAntilles | wasn't trying to be sarcastic. |
| 18:29.03 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: advanced lets you look up a string |
| 18:29.03 | andre__ | but I was :-P |
| 18:29.18 | timeless_mbp | needs to get a way to let people copy text from zenity |
| 18:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yes, I know, but I accidentally tapped outside of the dialog box. |
| 18:29.35 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 18:29.36 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, the "Display" is not really an issue. I'd prefer to have useful "OUTCOME" sections though ;-) |
| 18:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I dunno, it screws up the brightness curves. |
| 18:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | Either somebody can fix it or it can be removed. |
| 18:30.21 | timeless_mbp | heh, bug 6679 is more like DIVERTED |
| 18:30.21 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles: hmm. maybe *I* am too bitchy today :-/ |
| 18:30.22 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 Need a way to manage & edit user credentials |
| 18:30.33 | andre__ | sighs |
| 18:30.55 | Stskeeps | passes andre__ a beer |
| 18:30.59 | GeneralAntilles | is freaking jetlagged. |
| 18:31.13 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hehe, delayed jetlag? |
| 18:31.33 | andre__ | Stskeeps, thanks. appreciated, really |
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| 18:31.40 | RevdKathy | passes andre__ a beer |
| 18:31.44 | andre__ | too much stuff broken today |
| 18:31.50 | Stskeeps | maemo.org bugmaster, the most unforgiving job ever |
| 18:31.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:31.54 | andre__ | RevdKathy, heh. thanks, thanks! |
| 18:32.20 | RevdKathy | :) |
| 18:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I looked at the recent changes list on b.m.o the other day, saw more than a half-dozen red-text lines and gave up. ;) |
| 18:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I keep crashing mid-afternoon. |
| 18:32.57 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, haha. well, it's still okay. but of course, more noise. hence I try to explain people that it's not a forum... |
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| 18:33.42 | andre__ | funny thing is that now I get both "Thanks" and "Fuck you" by private email. A few months ago it was only "fuck you". Now is that a good sign? :-P |
| 18:33.42 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I had this wake up at 5am thing at the beginning of the week. Also not cool. |
| 18:34.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'm getting to bed at a normal time, waking up at a normal time, but crashing really early in the day. |
| 18:34.21 | lardman | you're getting old ;) |
| 18:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, that's what I keep saying! |
| 18:34.33 | mgedmin | andre__, people are usually more motivated to say F*K YOU than Thanks, so every Thanks ought to be counted 100x more |
| 18:34.38 | RevdKathy | andre__ can I say thanks over IRC then? |
| 18:34.52 | lardman | Just wait, soon you'll be saying "when I were a lad..." |
| 18:34.56 | andre__ | okay, my mood is getting better. thank you all :-) |
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| 18:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, dude. . . . |
| 18:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, these kids these days. <_< |
| 18:35.28 | lardman | lol |
| 18:35.54 | RevdKathy | General Antilles - you are a long, long way fro old! |
| 18:36.15 | lardman | derf: that fixed it, thanks |
| 18:36.22 | derf | lardman: Yer welcome. |
| 18:36.25 | lardman | where did anidel go? |
| 18:36.41 | lardman | anyway thanks too anidel/mum |
| 18:37.05 | mtrlt | does maemo5 use gpsd? |
| 18:37.30 | Stskeeps | gypsy and some obscure liblocation |
| 18:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, awesome. http://intellintv.blip.tv/file/2893208/ |
| 18:38.00 | mtrlt | ok, thanks |
| 18:38.02 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: crossover games ftw |
| 18:38.37 | mtrlt | is there hope for libgps to work on maemo5? |
| 18:38.56 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/keep_sent_and_drafts_on_imap_server/#official_email_client |
| 18:38.57 | mtrlt | (i guess not, but..) |
| 18:39.00 | Gadgetoid_iMac | danger danger high dorkage! |
| 18:39.09 | timeless_mbp | brainstorm can't handle 100 votes |
| 18:39.38 | X-Fade | Wow, posting to this one bug sends out a lot of mails. Lots of people in CC. :) |
| 18:40.02 | lardman | goes to play some sport, bbl |
| 18:40.04 | andre__ | X-Fade, yeah, your bugs are getting popular too now :-P |
| 18:40.36 | X-Fade | andre__: I blame GeneralAntilles for that one ;) |
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| 18:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I fixed a typo in the summary of one of those a few weeks ago without realizing how many people were subscribed. I changed all of one character and it sent out like 60 emails. |
| 18:41.55 | tekonivel | i am organizing my calendar, but after creating some new calendars i got wondering what is the maximum number of them? |
| 18:42.28 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, fun stuff.. |
| 18:42.33 | tekonivel | i work on various projects, i would love to have a separate calendar for each. but if there's a limit of, say 10 calendars, i will run out of them in no time |
| 18:42.57 | tekonivel | so should i instead have calendars like "work", "study" etc, and not more atomic ones |
| 18:43.14 | GeneralAntilles | and what the hell am I getting blamed for now, anyway? :P |
| 18:43.32 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The servers one. |
| 18:43.36 | Gadgetoid_iMac | GeneralAntilles: world war 2 |
| 18:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, christ. |
| 18:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I hate that the angry mob attached itself to that one. |
| 18:44.15 | RevdKathy | No, just his appointed representative |
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| 18:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I had to stop myself from RESOLVING it this morning. |
| 18:44.42 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I don't mind that, really. |
| 18:44.58 | andre__ | Gadgetoid, no, World War 2 is still mine. |
| 18:44.58 | tekonivel | also i wonder what would happen if i deleted a calendar... would all the events be removed too or just their colour and the events would go to the default N900 -calendar... that's easy to test however |
| 18:45.17 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Things _are_ slow atm, but at least most of the hardware is now getting delivered. |
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| 18:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | RevdKathy, my father favors, "I guess you didn't recognize me without my sandals." ;) |
| 18:45.42 | RevdKathy | X-Fade... yeah no more shipping threads!! :D |
| 18:45.51 | RevdKathy | LOL |
| 18:45.53 | RevdKathy | good reply |
| 18:45.54 | tekonivel | ok yeah, deleting a calendar also removes the entries in it |
| 18:46.30 | RevdKathy | So, tekonivel, who is gonna hate you now for forgetting theirbirthday? |
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| 18:47.08 | jebba | OMFG! I see the brainstorm page! f1rst time ever loaded for me :) |
| 18:47.57 | Scummer | hmm... i wonder how safe it would be to install a trunk version of modest and tinymail... |
| 18:48.57 | Ceron^ | 20:37:51 GeneralAntilles: Ha, awesome. http://intellintv.blip.tv/file/2893208/ |
| 18:49.02 | Ceron^ | translate this jiberish |
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| 18:49.09 | Ceron^ | what is it about? |
| 18:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ceron^, ask crashanddie. |
| 18:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | Ceron^, it's Khertan talking about Maemo. |
| 18:49.36 | Ceron^ | some new browser ? :\ |
| 18:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | No, just Maemo in general. |
| 18:50.10 | Scummer | gah.. french |
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| 18:52.37 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Baaah my partner is drinking mulled bloody wine at the Samsung christmas party... AYEWANNAAAGOO!! damn London |
| 18:52.52 | RevdKathy | Sounds wonderful! |
| 18:53.00 | tekonivel | RevdKathy: lol facebooks sends greetings automatically anyway :) |
| 18:53.05 | GiantTalkingCow | Damn London? Unhappy you're not there, I'm guessing? |
| 18:53.38 | RevdKathy | That's no use - no proof you thought of them at all |
| 18:53.50 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Yes GiantTalkingCow... I should have moved closer |
| 18:54.03 | tekonivel | how do i conjure a pipe from the keyboard? i want to run 'dmesg |grep -i "bogomips"' |
| 18:54.04 | RevdKathy | is writing Christmas cards by hand |
| 18:54.04 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I missed the Nokia party too |
| 18:54.30 | andre__ | tekonivel, Blue key and Contorl key |
| 18:54.38 | Gadgetoid_iMac | tekonivel: top right of the symbols menu |
| 18:54.43 | GiantTalkingCow | Ah well, c'est la vie. Not fond of the holidays myself, parties or no. Then again, I do live in the US, which likely has something to do with it. |
| 18:55.10 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I like gadget related parties GiantTalkingCow, but I'm generally a bit out of place at any other variety |
| 18:55.18 | tekonivel | andre__: wow thanks! |
| 18:55.45 | GiantTalkingCow | I don't dislike parties, I just loathe the traditional Christmas decorations, trimmings, songs, etc. |
| 18:55.59 | crashanddie | Ceron^: He's saying "I'm an individual developer in the Maemo Community, I develop Open Source applications for Maemo. Maemo is an Open Source operating system developed by Nokia, based on Debian, bla bla bla |
| 18:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | The only thing that has made me dislike the holidays is working retail. ;) |
| 18:56.33 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I don't think I could work retail |
| 18:56.41 | SpeedEvil | places a reindeer hat on GeneralAntilles. |
| 18:56.45 | Ceron^ | why did you paste that stuff ;( |
| 18:56.49 | tekonivel | bugger, dmesg doesn't mention bogomips |
| 18:56.50 | Ceron^ | if it wanst anything good! |
| 18:56.50 | el_zilcho | "Package libzeemote is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:56.52 | Flandry | bah humbug |
| 18:56.56 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I think working retail should be required for citizenship. ;) |
| 18:57.05 | GiantTalkingCow | I just hate the commercial blitz that accompanies the holidays in the US. Also, this recent "War on Christmas" shit that's been popping up every year. |
| 18:57.08 | el_zilcho | Any clue what package refers to libzeemote? i see http://maemo.org/packages/view/libzeemote/ |
| 18:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ceron^, because Khertan's on TV? |
| 18:57.12 | RevdKathy | Try working in the church: by 20th Dec you never want to see another mince pie or sing 'O come all ye'... but I still love it |
| 18:57.28 | el_zilcho | oh nm |
| 18:57.56 | el_zilcho | check his repo list |
| 18:58.03 | crashanddie | Ceron^: he's also saying that Maemo 5 is the first version of Maemo available on a phone form factor, which completely changes the market to which it's aimed, and that the next version will be based on Qt and not GTK, and that his main challenge is that he needs to re-write all of his apps to work nicely in the completely new finger-friendly Maemo 5 UI, and the future Qt libraries |
| 18:58.14 | Flandry | is anyone currently maintaining libzeemote? |
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| 18:58.52 | el_zilcho | i think i have to to add some repos that got removed when i used app manager |
| 18:58.56 | GiantTalkingCow | Frankly, I'm not hugely fond of finger-based UIs, myself. Or rather ones that are solely finger-driven. |
| 18:59.53 | timeless_mbp | GiantTalkingCow: are you fond of the real world? |
| 19:00.00 | timeless_mbp | or are you afraid it might it you? |
| 19:00.01 | GiantTalkingCow | Yes, why? |
| 19:00.07 | timeless_mbp | especially w/ a pair of buns |
| 19:00.19 | tekonivel | found bogomips value in /proc/cpuinfo, it's 249.96 |
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| 19:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody tried the E72 yet, by the way? |
| 19:00.28 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: anything else you need translating? |
| 19:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, no, you may go. :P |
| 19:00.50 | GiantTalkingCow | Not really. In addition to being a talking cow, I can also handle most firearms. The last Texan that tried turning me into brisket is now stuffed and mounted on my wall. |
| 19:00.58 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: thank you, SIR |
| 19:01.05 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 19:01.08 | tekonivel | compared to 3200+2400 on my real computer |
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| 19:04.51 | Ceron^ | are there any qt apps for n900 :l |
| 19:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | Several, yes. |
| 19:06.11 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: do you remember adventures in splash screens? |
| 19:06.46 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, OS splash screens or application splash screens? |
| 19:06.52 | timeless_mbp | os |
| 19:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I should probably just answer, "No". |
| 19:06.59 | timeless_mbp | the maemo rotation one |
| 19:07.15 | GeneralAntilles | Rotation? |
| 19:07.23 | timeless_mbp | i'm wondering which codec the one i'm using is using and if i could get someone to transcode to mpeg4 |
| 19:07.44 | timeless_mbp | maemo.org w/ the orange/silver balls and the various open source project logos |
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| 19:08.03 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, that's from Talk. |
| 19:08.22 | Scummer | btw.. is ogg not supported on the n900 ? |
| 19:08.28 | derf | Can you replace the video with the little pulsing dots? |
| 19:08.33 | GeneralAntilles | Scummer, install ogg-support from Extras. |
| 19:08.36 | GeneralAntilles | derf, yes. |
| 19:08.37 | Scummer | ah |
| 19:08.41 | Scummer | thanks |
| 19:08.43 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Link? |
| 19:08.48 | timeless_mbp | you can replace it w/ anything you like |
| 19:08.54 | timeless_mbp | i've replaced it w/ that video |
| 19:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32935 <- timeless. |
| 19:08.56 | derf | Or rather, where is the file? |
| 19:09.02 | GeneralAntilles | derf, it's all handled by hildon-welcome. |
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| 19:09.13 | GeneralAntilles | derf, that Talk link should have the details in the first post. |
| 19:09.19 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Thanks. |
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| 19:10.07 | crashanddie | tekonivel: qdl-SLA:~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i bogomips bogomips: 15328.88 |
| 19:10.31 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Hmm, that's the hands video. I meant the other one. |
| 19:10.36 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but which codec is it using? |
| 19:10.42 | VDVsx | needs a new twitter app for the n900 |
| 19:10.43 | timeless_mbp | i'm told that mpeg4 has the best perf |
| 19:10.44 | derf | Well, "animation", I don't even know if it's actually a video. |
| 19:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | derf, it's in the same folder. |
| 19:10.55 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, mpeg4 with an avi container. |
| 19:10.58 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Uh, |
| 19:10.58 | derf | root /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media # ls |
| 19:10.58 | derf | Hands-v32-h264.avi |
| 19:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, however anything that GStreamer supports will work. |
| 19:11.16 | GeneralAntilles | derf, OK, I THOUGHT it was there. |
| 19:11.16 | timeless_mbp | derf: yeah, i have splash.avi |
| 19:11.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 19:11.30 | timeless_mbp | the other file is in /etc/hildon-welcome/ |
| 19:11.42 | timeless_mbp | lemme toss up my package |
| 19:12.26 | derf | Yeah, I have no splash.avi on the entire system. |
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| 19:12.39 | timeless_mbp | derf: yeah, splash is my replacement |
| 19:12.50 | derf | Yeah, I'm not trying to replace hands. |
| 19:12.53 | timeless_mbp | i'm too lazy to give it a more interesting name |
| 19:13.01 | timeless_mbp | what are you trying to do? |
| 19:13.04 | derf | I'm trying to replace the _other_ animation thing. |
| 19:13.08 | derf | With the pusling dots. |
| 19:13.15 | timeless_mbp | if you don't like the default thing just kill the .conf from /etc/hildon-welcome/ |
| 19:13.23 | timeless_mbp | s/me/me.d/ |
| 19:13.26 | derf | timeless_mbp: Yes, I already did that days ago. |
| 19:13.44 | timeless_mbp | is confused |
| 19:14.12 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, they may very well be .pngs. |
| 19:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | Er, s/timeless_mbp/derf/ |
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| 19:14.30 | derf | When you turn on the phone there is a) a giant Nokia logo b) some pulsing dots c) the hands video d) more pulsing dots. |
| 19:14.32 | GeneralAntilles | In which case they're in the icon share somewhere under hildon. |
| 19:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | Same as the bootsplash from Maemo 4. |
| 19:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, updated. |
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| 19:15.00 | andre__ | thanks :) |
| 19:16.11 | Ceron^ | GeneralAntilles: tell me an example of qt app on maemo |
| 19:16.29 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 19:16.41 | Stskeeps | someone is claiming it isn't possible to SSU-update N900 without a SIM |
| 19:16.46 | Stskeeps | that's wrong, right? :P |
| 19:16.51 | GeneralAntilles | Shopper, danielwilms application catalog browser. |
| 19:17.03 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I can't imagine how it'd be required. |
| 19:17.04 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i can't imagine it's right |
| 19:17.17 | timeless_mbp | given that the n800/n810 didn't need a sim.. |
| 19:17.21 | GeneralAntilles | Well, actually, I CAN _imagine_ it, but it doesn't make any sense. |
| 19:17.36 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: your imagination is too active |
| 19:17.39 | luke-jr_ | timeless_mbp: didn't need? more like couldn't use |
| 19:17.52 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, oh c'mon, you WORK there. :P |
| 19:18.17 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i don't need to imagine |
| 19:18.20 | timeless_mbp | all i have to do is look |
| 19:18.25 | murrayc_ | How can I type a | on the N900? |
| 19:18.26 | timeless_mbp | e..g at the nokia flagshipstore |
| 19:18.36 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc_, fn-sym |
| 19:19.10 | murrayc_ | ooh |
| 19:19.25 | murrayc_ | nifty. thanks |
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| 19:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc_, before you ask, the 3rd row is deadkeys. ;) |
| 19:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc_, qole's figured out something or other about rebinding keys, too. |
| 19:19.44 | Chiku | hello |
| 19:19.51 | derf | Ah! /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/indicator_update?.png |
| 19:20.06 | RevdKathy | Thanks General Antilles! Been looking for those symbols! |
| 19:20.22 | murrayc_ | GeneralAntilles: Oh, so that's the deadkeys weirdness that I keep hearing about. |
| 19:20.51 | murrayc_ | So how do I actually enter ~? |
| 19:21.10 | Chiku | any french on this chan? |
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| 19:23.12 | Gadgetoid_iMac | oui Chiku, je suis un pamplemouse! |
| 19:23.30 | gavin | pamplemousse |
| 19:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc_, press space. |
| 19:23.42 | Chiku | why pamplemousse? |
| 19:23.47 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I got told! |
| 19:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc_, supposedly PR1.1 has an improved UI indicator or something. |
| 19:23.54 | Chiku | do you got n900? |
| 19:24.06 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Yup |
| 19:24.23 | Chiku | bought from th phouse house shop? |
| 19:24.38 | murrayc_ | GeneralAntilles: How awful. +1 on that bug. |
| 19:24.57 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Nokia online store :).. and I'm about as french as fried bread |
| 19:25.04 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? |
| 19:25.15 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong! |
| 19:25.34 | Chiku | ok Gadgetoid |
| 19:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, can we change the quicksearch on the frontpage to search all bugs by default? |
| 19:25.39 | GeneralAntilles | Not just open ones. |
| 19:25.50 | Scummer | odd.. why doesn't scratchbox read the resolv.conf ? |
| 19:25.56 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc_, bug #5314 |
| 19:25.57 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5314 Easy to enter ~ ^ ' ` " symbols with 3rd row of special character view |
| 19:26.01 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, file me a ticket, please :) |
| 19:26.01 | lbt | Scummer: it's idiotic |
| 19:26.04 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes indeed. |
| 19:26.14 | Stskeeps | Scummer: /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf - there's a FAQ on ths |
| 19:26.16 | Chiku | looks like no french around |
| 19:26.28 | lbt | I tried to "do it right".... but if you look at what's needed you begin to realise... |
| 19:26.30 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I'd complain except it sounds like you're telling me to karma whore. |
| 19:26.35 | GeneralAntilles | skips over to bugzilla. |
| 19:26.48 | lbt | unpacks a Joggler... |
| 19:26.51 | Scummer | keeps: uah.. ok |
| 19:27.06 | Stskeeps | lbt: pics! pics! |
| 19:27.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:27.22 | andre__ | murrayc_, bug 5314 is... sigh, about Managers that think that they know better than users. The internal ticket shows that quite well :-( |
| 19:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, managers ALWAYS know better than users. |
| 19:27.59 | RevdKathy | andre__ what do mere users know? |
| 19:28.05 | andre__ | yeah. all depends on the definition of "reality", the one you have internally and the one out there... |
| 19:28.18 | murrayc_ | andre__: Must be some weird managers. |
| 19:28.43 | andre__ | well, it's one of the very few tickets where I became insulting :-P |
| 19:28.46 | saahleh | will there be support for dynamic WEP onetime? works perfect on linux, so dont see a big problem |
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| 19:29.06 | Arkenoi | who needs WEP? |
| 19:29.18 | BluesLee | hi, does someone run quake 3 on the n900? |
| 19:29.22 | Arkenoi | WEP is broken, even dynamic one |
| 19:29.32 | timeless_mbp | curses |
| 19:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, insulting. Oooh. |
| 19:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | gives andre__ a cookie. |
| 19:30.12 | Scummer | keeps : the odd part was /etc/resolv.conf inside scratchbox and /etc/resolv.conf outside of scratchbox differed... confusing |
| 19:30.19 | lbt | sigh, wifi won't connect... reboot... |
| 19:30.26 | lbt | hey andre__ |
| 19:30.30 | Scummer | but with /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf it works of course.. |
| 19:30.42 | lbt | did you want a dmesg or something when wifi won't connect? |
| 19:30.43 | Scummer | dammit |
| 19:30.47 | Stskeeps | andre__: 5413 sounds like a "everyone does not speak finnish" mentality |
| 19:30.53 | Stskeeps | er, 5314 |
| 19:31.04 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yummy |
| 19:31.30 | saahleh | Arkenoi: me! tell that to my university... |
| 19:31.45 | timeless_mbp | andre__: a couple of notes |
| 19:31.46 | VDVsx | andre__, did you already ate all the chocos ? Lol |
| 19:31.51 | timeless_mbp | dead keys exist on windows and linux too |
| 19:32.02 | timeless_mbp | and they're pretty much nearly as stupid as the ones in maemo |
| 19:32.04 | andre__ | VDVsx, sshhh! |
| 19:32.13 | VDVsx | hides |
| 19:32.18 | timeless_mbp | although most of them were smart enough that tapping twice inserted the key |
| 19:32.24 | timeless_mbp | instead of requiring you to press space |
| 19:32.35 | timeless_mbp | the windows onscreen keyboard has the same general behavior |
| 19:32.37 | andre__ | timeless_mbp: I refer to arguments like "This is how it always works, everywhere" while I even posted official microsoft URLs showing that it's not true |
| 19:32.42 | timeless_mbp | (of course, it mimics the real one) |
| 19:32.55 | X-Fade | Double tap is pr1.1 behavior. |
| 19:32.56 | timeless_mbp | i'm @c7 |
| 19:33.05 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: 1.1 is vaporware |
| 19:33.18 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Just saying ;) |
| 19:33.26 | VDVsx | humm ~ works in the same way in my linux box as in the n900, where's the problem ?? |
| 19:33.40 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: problem is that most customers don't use dead keys |
| 19:33.47 | timeless_mbp | so they have no idea how a dead key works |
| 19:33.53 | VDVsx | timeless, their problem :P |
| 19:33.55 | timeless_mbp | as this is the first introduction to deadkeys |
| 19:33.57 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 19:34.14 | timeless_mbp | tosses a load of bricks at VDVsx |
| 19:34.16 | murrayc_ | And there's no clue that it's a "dead key" or a "press this, click off the window, and press space" key. |
| 19:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:34.21 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: isnt this configurable using a terminal? |
| 19:34.32 | asidjazz | do maemo packages need to be like signed |
| 19:34.39 | timeless_mbp | asidjazz: no |
| 19:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | He may hate on the normal folks, but he's awesome at ordering tapas. :P |
| 19:34.46 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: eh? |
| 19:34.52 | asidjazz | timeless_mbp: what about the cert crap symbian does |
| 19:35.06 | GeneralAntilles | asidjazz, lol. |
| 19:35.06 | timeless_mbp | asidjazz: you're welcome to sign things |
| 19:35.09 | timeless_mbp | but you don't have to |
| 19:35.10 | VDVsx | timeless, that hurts :( |
| 19:35.15 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: cant die hard linux users who really want their linux - like dead keys change the dead key setting with xterm |
| 19:35.25 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: don't say stupid things and you'll get fewer bricks tossed your way |
| 19:35.25 | andre__ | murrayc_: well: user manual :-/ |
| 19:35.29 | Chiku | what is default is on meamo5? |
| 19:35.32 | Chiku | shell |
| 19:35.36 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: we don't care about die hard users |
| 19:35.40 | timeless_mbp | we care about normal customers |
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| 19:35.43 | andre__ | which is of course non-intuitive. |
| 19:35.44 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: but I asked |
| 19:35.47 | timeless_mbp | who are screwed by this broken UX |
| 19:35.51 | Chiku | busybox? |
| 19:35.55 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: you're offtopic |
| 19:35.58 | VDVsx | now has a 770 sent by timeless_mbp :P |
| 19:36.14 | GeneralAntilles | People keep thinking I'm saying "topless bar" when I tell them we went to a "tapas bar". |
| 19:36.26 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: heh |
| 19:36.35 | timeless_mbp | andre__: so, 1. what happened to a demand that the userguide be fixed? |
| 19:36.36 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, lol |
| 19:36.39 | Scummer | topless bar sounds better :) |
| 19:36.48 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, where, what? |
| 19:36.54 | RevdKathy | General Antilles... did I miss something? |
| 19:36.57 | timeless_mbp | your c7 internal |
| 19:37.06 | timeless_mbp | The current User guide also only covers this vaguely: |
| 19:37.06 | timeless_mbp | "Enter special characters: Press â and the sym key." |
| 19:37.07 | timeless_mbp | "Enter accented characters: ...." |
| 19:37.07 | timeless_mbp | No mentioning of the spacebar in order to get only the symbol. |
| 19:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I've described my adventures in BCN to a lot of people and am a bit worried some of those folks actually think I meant "topless bar". |
| 19:37.17 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, don't know |
| 19:37.29 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 19:37.37 | timeless_mbp | i went to a tapas bar in Madrid |
| 19:37.41 | GeneralAntilles | RevdKathy, only Americans being unused to the concept of tapas bars. |
| 19:37.42 | timeless_mbp | didn't have time for one in BCN |
| 19:37.47 | andre__ | timeless, at some point discussing become non-rational :-P |
| 19:37.52 | timeless_mbp | i also was at a tapas bar in AMS |
| 19:38.02 | timeless_mbp | andre__: file a new bug ;-) |
| 19:38.29 | RevdKathy | Gneral Antilles ... you mean you didn't really go to a topless bar and I missed it? |
| 19:38.32 | jebba | would be nice if the "special keys" keypad came up when you *PRESSED* Fn+Ctrl, not when you *RELEASED* it :) |
| 19:38.33 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, up to you. you have access to the internal tracker. |
| 19:38.44 | GeneralAntilles | RevdKathy, no, no topless bars. ;) |
| 19:38.45 | timeless_mbp | andre__: i have no luck filing bugs internally |
| 19:38.50 | jebba | i use it all the time, yet it seems half the time it doesnt come up |
| 19:38.52 | timeless_mbp | you don't think i'm going to start now |
| 19:39.02 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, then you should reflect on what you might do wrong? ;-) |
| 19:39.12 | saahleh | shouldn't there be a maemo-chat room? ;) |
| 19:39.18 | timeless_mbp | andre__: filing bugs and expecting someone to fix something? |
| 19:39.30 | timeless_mbp | i reflected, and decided it wasn't a good idea |
| 19:39.38 | timeless_mbp | something about a definition of insanity |
| 19:39.45 | VDVsx | also went to a tapas bar in AMS |
| 19:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=421358 camkeyd for anybody who missed it the first time. |
| 19:39.49 | timeless_mbp | repeating an action and expecting differing results |
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| 19:40.52 | andre__ | timeless_mbp: maybe changing the tone sometimes? ;-) |
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| 19:41.32 | rrr__ | quick question, is the n900 screen supposed to have tearing? |
| 19:41.43 | tigert | GeneralAntilles: camkeyd rocks :) |
| 19:41.46 | tigert | i love it |
| 19:42.00 | tigert | if its the taskswitcher key binder daemon? |
| 19:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | tigert, yes. |
| 19:42.34 | GeneralAntilles | tigert, the proximity sensor project is merging, too. |
| 19:42.43 | GeneralAntilles | So you'll be able to bind both the camkey and the proximity sensor |
| 19:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | I'm likely to bind fullscreen to the proximity sensor. |
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| 19:43.02 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:43.21 | Raytray | Hi |
| 19:43.42 | timeless_mbp | andre__: i'm a native speaker |
| 19:43.45 | lbt | Stskeeps: now it's downloading a new OS... |
| 19:43.48 | timeless_mbp | my tone fluctuates as i speak :) |
| 19:43.48 | lbt | slowly |
| 19:44.19 | timeless_mbp | rrr__: the n900 can tear if you do certain things |
| 19:44.21 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, you want to misunderstand me, yeah. ;-) see PM |
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| 19:44.56 | rrr__ | any fast motion will cause it |
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| 19:45.05 | timeless_mbp | your ghost messaged me |
| 19:45.08 | timeless_mbp | that's not fair |
| 19:45.57 | Stskeeps | lbt: that worries me a tad |
| 19:46.59 | redeeman | rrr__: i see it aswell, which is weird given its composited |
| 19:47.29 | GeneralAntilles | redeeman, 800x480 is a lot of pixels to push around. |
| 19:47.44 | lbt | Stskeeps: 29% now... "Software updates" |
| 19:48.48 | redeeman | GeneralAntilles: but the N900 is a fairly powerful device |
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| 19:50.09 | Stskeeps | lbt: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Status/o2_Joggler |
| 19:50.15 | lbt | reading... |
| 19:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | redeeman, still a lot of pixels. |
| 19:50.41 | lbt | it's not quite what I expected... |
| 19:50.51 | lbt | very solid and hi quality |
| 19:51.04 | Stskeeps | for 99, it's a real bargain |
| 19:51.05 | redeeman | GeneralAntilles: and slower devices have been doing more |
| 19:51.11 | lbt | but very 3D with a BIG polished chrome stand |
| 19:51.15 | lbt | oh yes |
| 19:51.32 | lbt | no battery backup at all - only mains |
| 19:51.35 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:51.43 | Stskeeps | still makes for a nice mer device |
| 19:51.53 | lbt | Oh I have plans... |
| 19:52.07 | lbt | actually the mains thing is almost better for e |
| 19:52.09 | lbt | me |
| 19:52.33 | lbt | I can't think that a new OS will stop hacking though |
| 19:52.41 | Stskeeps | i hope so |
| 19:52.47 | lbt | it's a gorgeous bit of hardware |
| 19:52.56 | lcuk | stop drooling |
| 19:53.05 | lbt | 100% perfect for a linux picture frame |
| 19:53.05 | rrr__ | another quick question, is the bounce demo supposed to have random clipping issues? |
| 19:53.22 | lbt | now if only I owned openpictureframe.org |
| 19:53.26 | lbt | oh wait, I do. |
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| 19:53.33 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 19:53.45 | lbt | and .com |
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| 19:54.49 | Stskeeps | how many inches was the screen again? |
| 19:55.09 | lbt | same as Q7 |
| 19:55.24 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:56.18 | lbt | my cat just licked my^H^Hyour Joggler |
| 19:56.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:56.23 | AbstractW | I'm sad I missed out on a $450 N900 from Dell :( |
| 19:56.35 | Stskeeps | lbt: i demand cat rebate! |
| 19:56.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:56.38 | Stskeeps | oh nice, there's a stereo plug in the back |
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| 19:57.42 | GeneralAntilles | redeeman, not with the same number of pixels. :) |
| 19:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | redeeman, kthxbai. |
| 19:58.37 | redeeman | GeneralAntilles: do keep in mind that most of the "juggling" can be done by memory copies, then it obviously needs to write some new stuff, but all in all, i'll bet the device is fully capable of this |
| 19:58.41 | lbt | oops - it's rebooted 4 times now... |
| 19:59.15 | lcuk | wow joggler picture http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Joggle.jpeg/180px-Joggle.jpeg |
| 19:59.17 | Stskeeps | lbt: not abnormal |
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| 20:00.49 | Scummer | geez.. git clone of modest is taking quite a while |
| 20:01.41 | ruskie | and then in the end will even fail to build |
| 20:01.45 | ruskie | atleast it does for me :( |
| 20:01.51 | ruskie | fails during configure |
| 20:01.57 | Stskeeps | lbt: it has an internal mmc too |
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| 20:02.53 | Scummer | ruskie: hm.. interesting.. |
| 20:03.53 | Scummer | ruskie: i let you know what happens.. once I've got the source |
| 20:05.36 | Stskeeps | lbt: where does the usb plugs sit? in the back or the side? |
| 20:06.00 | timeless_mbp | andre__: i lost your bug number/comment reference |
| 20:06.56 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, doesn't matter ;-) |
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| 20:07.05 | timeless_mbp | but i want to read it |
| 20:07.43 | jkimball4 | it might be gps that is causing my n900 to randomly shutoff |
| 20:08.08 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: if you have random reboots, return it to shop and get a replacement seems to be best advice atm |
| 20:08.14 | lbt | side |
| 20:08.23 | jkimball4 | worked fine all morning. shortly after i turned on the gps, shut off |
| 20:08.29 | jkimball4 | doesn't reboot just shuts off |
| 20:08.42 | jkimball4 | Stskeeps: replacement meaning a refurb? |
| 20:08.55 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: no, you have warranty :P |
| 20:09.16 | jkimball4 | Actually I sent a message to nokia support. I might just see what the have to say. Seems like dell would just jerk me around about an rma |
| 20:09.43 | AbstractW | jkimball4: Dell isn't selling the N900 anymore :( |
| 20:09.49 | jkimball4 | oh really? |
| 20:09.51 | AbstractW | I missed my chance to get one cheap. |
| 20:09.56 | jkimball4 | AbstractW: nay |
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| 20:10.02 | jkimball4 | there's another good offer i just saw |
| 20:10.03 | jkimball4 | one sec |
| 20:10.06 | Robot101 | they're cheap on amazon US too, there's a rebate |
| 20:10.12 | AbstractW | Dell was $450 :( |
| 20:10.35 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: shutting off sounds bad.. and you're sure it's not just the blank screen timer? |
| 20:10.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:10.47 | jkimball4 | AbstractW: you just missed another $450 offer. looks like the offer expired |
| 20:10.51 | jkimball4 | http://dealnews.com/Unlocked-Nokia-N900-Cell-Phone-preorders-for-450-after-rebate-free-shipping/334826.html |
| 20:10.56 | AbstractW | Damn. |
| 20:11.02 | jkimball4 | oh it was dell, too |
| 20:11.03 | jkimball4 | strange |
| 20:11.15 | AbstractW | Its been annoying, because my credit card was recently stolen 3 days ago, and I'm waiting for a replacement. |
| 20:11.34 | AbstractW | I would have ordered already, but I have no way to do so, until I get my new card in the mail! :( |
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| 20:11.35 | AbstractW | >< |
| 20:11.43 | jkimball4 | Stskeeps: funny. ;) |
| 20:11.44 | Scummer | abstract : physically stolen or the number stolen ? |
| 20:11.56 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: i get tricked at times by it |
| 20:12.05 | AbstractW | Physically stolen, not used before I canceled it. |
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| 20:12.07 | AbstractW | Or lost. |
| 20:12.10 | jkimball4 | Stskeeps: I have to remove the battery to get the damn thing to come one after these shut offs |
| 20:12.13 | Scummer | dang |
| 20:12.16 | AbstractW | Exactly. |
| 20:12.20 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: and you didn't toy with R&D flags? |
| 20:12.28 | jkimball4 | don't even know what those are |
| 20:12.30 | AbstractW | So, it looks like I may be shelved with another $150 cost to get one :( |
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| 20:12.38 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: yeah, take it in for repair/warranty |
| 20:12.42 | Stskeeps | if it continues after reflash |
| 20:13.06 | jkimball4 | well i haven't reflashed because I'm not sure how to get all my stuff off |
| 20:13.11 | jkimball4 | Already have a bunch of pictures and shit |
| 20:13.29 | Scummer | throw your docs on the sd card ? |
| 20:13.34 | xorAxAx | whats the most expensive offer you have seen for the n900? |
| 20:13.39 | xorAxAx | here is one for 666 EUR |
| 20:13.53 | AbstractW | Doesn't the N900 act as a mass storage device, when connected to a PC? |
| 20:14.08 | Scummer | abstract: either pc suite mode or mass storage |
| 20:14.12 | AbstractW | Scummer: You could always use SSH, to pull your stuff off. |
| 20:14.15 | Scummer | and it shows the sd card as well |
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| 20:14.24 | jkimball4 | I guess i could tar up the contents of the mass storage shit |
| 20:14.30 | AbstractW | yeah. |
| 20:14.31 | jkimball4 | I'll have to find another computer to do the flashing though |
| 20:14.36 | jkimball4 | I'm on Solaris |
| 20:14.40 | jkimball4 | no support for flasher on sol |
| 20:14.47 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: heh, i ran into that issue once.. |
| 20:14.47 | AbstractW | spool up a vbox |
| 20:14.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:14.49 | Scummer | run a linux vm in solaris |
| 20:14.54 | Scummer | :) |
| 20:15.07 | jkimball4 | i thought about it, but that seems a like a bad idea when flashing my toy |
| 20:15.08 | AbstractW | I'm a big fan of osol. |
| 20:15.12 | AbstractW | I use that for my fileserver. |
| 20:15.22 | AbstractW | zfs is awesome. |
| 20:15.27 | jkimball4 | it sure is |
| 20:15.27 | Stskeeps | has a SS-4200E with osol and 4x1tb |
| 20:15.32 | jkimball4 | nice |
| 20:15.40 | Stskeeps | never been happier |
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| 20:15.54 | Stskeeps | (cheap, hackable NAS) |
| 20:15.55 | AbstractW | I've got 5x1TB |
| 20:16.03 | AbstractW | RaidZ1 |
| 20:16.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, raidz1 here too |
| 20:16.24 | xorAxAx | z1? |
| 20:16.37 | AbstractW | Its RaidZN, where N is the number of spare disks |
| 20:16.54 | Scummer | hmmm |
| 20:17.00 | Stskeeps | well, not exactly, there's also zfs spare disks |
| 20:17.09 | Stskeeps | N means how many disks you can lose |
| 20:17.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:17.11 | jkimball4 | okay so where do i do warranty stuff if the flashing doesn't work? will they send me a new one first so i'm not phoneless? |
| 20:17.14 | AbstractW | not a true spare, but yeah. |
| 20:17.21 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: talk to nokia care and hear about it |
| 20:17.36 | jkimball4 | okay well in their email, they'll hopefully mention that |
| 20:17.46 | AbstractW | jkimball4: You will prolly only be able to get them to send you a new phone, if you temporarially buy a second one. |
| 20:17.50 | jkimball4 | i'll just leave gps off for now |
| 20:18.01 | jkimball4 | AbstractW: that sounds gay |
| 20:18.07 | AbstractW | yes, it does. |
| 20:18.33 | AbstractW | but, if you're in the US, with no carriers selling that phone, that may be your only option :( |
| 20:18.46 | Scummer | zfs on linux seems to work only with fuse |
| 20:18.57 | jkimball4 | zfs on linux is pointless :) |
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| 20:19.03 | jkimball4 | and crap tbh |
| 20:19.15 | jkimball4 | the only non-Solaris platform that it is any good on is freebsd |
| 20:19.16 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: it actually works decently for my backup server |
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| 20:19.22 | Stskeeps | for my purposes |
| 20:19.31 | Creteil | hi all |
| 20:19.36 | jkimball4 | Stskeeps: it's slower on linux and uses a lot more memory last i heard |
| 20:19.40 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: probably |
| 20:19.44 | AbstractW | oracle is funding btrfs for linux... |
| 20:19.49 | jkimball4 | I mean, why would you want zfs on linux anyway?hehe |
| 20:19.58 | AbstractW | which is supposed to be oracle's zfs on linux |
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| 20:20.05 | Scummer | kimball: my htpc runs linux.. but so far soft raid5 with ext4 does work ok |
| 20:20.19 | jkimball4 | bleeding edge ext4 eh |
| 20:20.21 | jkimball4 | hehe |
| 20:20.24 | Stskeeps | jkimball4: hw support comes to mind, or working SMART for SATA |
| 20:20.24 | AbstractW | RaidZ1 > Raid5 |
| 20:20.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:20.34 | Scummer | :) |
| 20:21.00 | AbstractW | zpool export ; zpool import ; for super easy migration. |
| 20:21.06 | Zeddy | cmooon |
| 20:21.10 | Scummer | mpf |
| 20:21.19 | jkimball4 | AbstractW: yeha that shit rocks ! |
| 20:21.33 | lbt | hmm, we're going for about the 5th reboot/sw upgrade in a row on this joggler.... not impressed |
| 20:21.49 | fnordianslip | has a bright pink conky running in scratchbox. uurgh |
| 20:21.49 | Creteil | someone can explain me why the extra-devel constantly fall in error on my N900 ??? |
| 20:22.01 | jkimball4 | it's missing a hash |
| 20:22.05 | Creteil | what is the right way to add the extras-devel ? |
| 20:22.11 | jkimball4 | you probably did it right |
| 20:22.12 | Scummer | i used app manager for it |
| 20:22.27 | Scummer | worked without any probs |
| 20:22.33 | Creteil | jkimball4, any fix ? |
| 20:22.44 | AbstractW | Anyone else find a $500 N900? I want a $500 N900, not a $600 N900 :( |
| 20:22.45 | Stskeeps | lbt: it probably does them iteratively |
| 20:23.02 | Scummer | whats the price at newegg now ? |
| 20:23.08 | Stskeeps | lbt: is it connected to eth? |
| 20:23.09 | AbstractW | hrmm. haven't checked |
| 20:23.11 | lbt | it has a phone number... |
| 20:23.12 | Stskeeps | or wifi |
| 20:23.13 | lbt | wifi |
| 20:23.23 | AbstractW | newegg is $600 |
| 20:23.30 | Scummer | :/ |
| 20:23.32 | jkimball4 | Creteil: it's a server thing not a local thing agaik |
| 20:23.41 | Scummer | all the 500$ deals are gone it seems |
| 20:23.52 | AbstractW | shitsticks. |
| 20:23.58 | jkimball4 | all i want is the flac plugin |
| 20:24.03 | GeneralAntilles | lol, Amazon's up to $800. |
| 20:24.09 | Scummer | ouch |
| 20:24.28 | jkimball4 | gah |
| 20:24.33 | Creteil | jkimball4, ok, so why the server admin's doesn't fix it (I'm probably not the only user reporting this issue ...) ? |
| 20:24.36 | jkimball4 | free market at work i guess |
| 20:24.38 | AbstractW | Nokia's website sells it for $610 or so. |
| 20:24.55 | jkimball4 | Creteil: no idea. :) but i agree that it's frustrating |
| 20:25.06 | Creteil | jkimball4, for sure ;-) |
| 20:25.19 | AbstractW | Direct from Nokia is $569... but its out of stock >< |
| 20:25.40 | jkimball4 | Creteil: it looks to be working for me |
| 20:25.44 | jkimball4 | have you tried recently? |
| 20:25.46 | Creteil | jkimball4, for flac just apt-get install flac must work no ? |
| 20:26.00 | jkimball4 | i didn't want to drive into the terminal for that |
| 20:26.05 | AbstractW | haha. |
| 20:26.09 | jkimball4 | needed root, but didn't feel like installing gainroot |
| 20:26.10 | AbstractW | I'd try it. |
| 20:26.23 | AbstractW | whats the default root password for the N900? |
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| 20:26.27 | Scummer | booyah.. modest clone is done |
| 20:26.40 | Creteil | jkimball4, btw in terminal you can see explicitely why things doesn't install ... |
| 20:26.55 | AbstractW | If apt doesn't find flac, just add the stable deb repository. |
| 20:27.02 | AbstractW | but, that could cause other problems. |
| 20:27.08 | Creteil | jkimball4, go ahead install it and go to the terminal ... |
| 20:27.11 | slonopotamus | very funny |
| 20:27.11 | AbstractW | I don't think I'd try an apt-get dist-upgrade :P |
| 20:27.25 | hardaker | yay. got my extras repository contributor invite. |
| 20:27.30 | hardaker | AbstractW: there isn't a default. |
| 20:27.40 | slonopotamus | n900 advertises ovi but can't sync to it |
| 20:27.54 | AbstractW | Then just add a new deb source to your sources.lst |
| 20:27.57 | wazd | I should stop or I'll drink to death :D |
| 20:28.13 | slonopotamus | requests proper syncml support for n900 |
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| 20:28.42 | Stskeeps | wazd: drunk on a thursday first? ;) |
| 20:28.42 | AbstractW | with no affordable N900, I'm stuck with this freaking iphone for a few more weeks. |
| 20:29.19 | wazd | Stskeeps: I always have the reason :D |
| 20:29.44 | Stskeeps | wazd: "no n900 leads to alcoholism"? |
| 20:29.53 | AbstractW | Then I need a N900 sooner. |
| 20:29.59 | jkimball4 | hmm where the hell is flac |
| 20:30.02 | AbstractW | I want my alcoholism NOW |
| 20:30.04 | wazd | Stskeeps: continuous humiliation leads :) |
| 20:30.20 | AbstractW | jkimball4: you didn't try 'apt-get install flac' ? |
| 20:30.34 | jkimball4 | looking in app manager |
| 20:30.37 | Creteil | AbstractW, don't complain, mine was buy at 662⬠(974$ approx) |
| 20:30.45 | AbstractW | Ouch. |
| 20:30.48 | wazd | Stskeeps: not yet alcoholism but really shitty mood for sure :) |
| 20:31.07 | AbstractW | I'm complaining, because I missed out :P |
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| 20:31.17 | jkimball4 | oh it's in the ogg package |
| 20:31.28 | RevdKathy | send wazd chocolate instead of beer |
| 20:31.31 | Scummer | kimball : flac support ? |
| 20:31.34 | jkimball4 | yep |
| 20:31.36 | AbstractW | yes. |
| 20:31.40 | Scummer | nice |
| 20:31.45 | jkimball4 | i don't know about you guys but i can get on at&t's 3g network |
| 20:31.48 | AbstractW | ogg is a container. |
| 20:31.50 | Creteil | AbstractW, Ouch <- not really, since I manage all the gsm phone at my office, I have the device offered by the operator ... |
| 20:31.52 | wazd | RevdKathy: I like chocolate so much but I can't eat it :D |
| 20:31.52 | jkimball4 | have to tell the thing manually though |
| 20:32.07 | AbstractW | jkimball4: There have been reports that the N900 doesn't work with ATT's 3G. |
| 20:32.11 | RevdKathy | wazd no choc? how do you survive? |
| 20:32.16 | wazd | RevdKathy: beer :D |
| 20:32.31 | RST38h | FBReader takes forever to build =( |
| 20:32.35 | jkimball4 | AbstractW: it works. I made a call yesterday and was surfing the net at same time. definitely had wifi off |
| 20:32.46 | Scummer | hopefully t-mo rolls out their new network next year like announced.. 7mbit DL would be awesome |
| 20:32.48 | slonopotamus | btw |
| 20:32.51 | AbstractW | Hrmm. Well, I hate ATT. |
| 20:32.52 | RevdKathy | wazd: not the same |
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| 20:33.02 | jkimball4 | Tmobile fully covers my city, but they don't offer service here O_o |
| 20:33.07 | AbstractW | ATT drops calls all the time. |
| 20:33.12 | Scummer | that is odd |
| 20:33.13 | AbstractW | I'll be switching to TMobile. |
| 20:33.17 | jkimball4 | Scummer: bs really |
| 20:33.21 | slonopotamus | i got gps fix without data connection in ovi maps |
| 20:33.40 | Scummer | so far i like the n900 on t-mobile.. my laptop is tethered, i get 1.5Mbit down and can make calls at the same time |
| 20:33.43 | hardaker | AbstractW: the N900 doesn't work on ATT's 3G, FYI. I have it and only get edge. |
| 20:33.53 | hardaker | the freq coverage range for the N900 doesn't include ATT's band |
| 20:33.54 | AbstractW | I'm wondering how long before someone ports multi-touch to the N900, and google maps. |
| 20:34.20 | range | AbstractW: Porting new hardware could be a bit problematic. |
| 20:34.30 | AbstractW | Multi-touch isn't new hardware. |
| 20:34.41 | range | Aha. |
| 20:34.41 | AbstractW | Unless you need a capacative touch screen, instead of resistive. |
| 20:34.45 | jkimball4 | hardaker: if you switch to manual nework selection you may be able to get 3g. it's working here |
| 20:34.57 | wazd | RevdKathy: yeah, I know :( I remember when I was eating Toblerone long ago :) |
| 20:35.03 | hardaker | I think I tried that when I first got it and it said it failed. |
| 20:35.09 | SpeedEvil | AbstractW: you do |
| 20:35.19 | SpeedEvil | AbstractW: the resistive screen in the n900 can't do multitouch |
| 20:35.23 | RevdKathy | wazd.. bournville dark... ah! |
| 20:35.30 | hardaker | I suspect you're not really on AT&T's network unless they hid the fact they bumped the data radio frequencies up |
| 20:35.32 | Scummer | toblerone... good stuff |
| 20:35.42 | hardaker | (down actually; the cut-off was higher than the AT&T band) |
| 20:35.52 | jkimball4 | multitouch on my old iphone was cute, but it was really only useful for a handful of things |
| 20:36.38 | jkimball4 | hardaker: don't know. it says at&t still. |
| 20:36.45 | wazd | RevdKathy: you got it :) |
| 20:36.55 | hardaker | what's it say underneath the bars? |
| 20:36.57 | RevdKathy | wazd :) |
| 20:36.59 | hardaker | 2.5 or 3? |
| 20:37.32 | lcuk | how do i find out which package a certain file comes from |
| 20:37.57 | Scummer | the n900 does get warm when tethering over usb. no cpu load tho.. maybe the radio is working hard ? :) |
| 20:38.05 | hardaker | dpkg -s FILE I think (ie, from memory) |
| 20:38.15 | range | -S |
| 20:38.15 | fnordianslip | uurgh. bright pink conky on my N900: http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/screenshot02.png |
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| 20:38.53 | SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: you need http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HOT-PINK-HYBRID-HARD-COVER-RUBBER-CASE-FOR-NOKIA-N900_W0QQitemZ150394071202QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item23042f68a2 |
| 20:38.58 | SpeedEvil | and you've got a theme going on |
| 20:39.00 | fnordianslip | nooo |
| 20:39.14 | wazd | RevdKathy: I have one question for you btw :) |
| 20:39.17 | Scummer | wow |
| 20:39.21 | range | fnordianslip: What are those three blocks to the right side of the wifi thingy? |
| 20:39.31 | SpeedEvil | range: load meter applet |
| 20:39.37 | wazd | RevdKathy: how come maemo and toy bears were combined in a single body? :D |
| 20:39.38 | fnordianslip | load-applet i think |
| 20:39.40 | RevdKathy | wazd: ?? go ahead |
| 20:39.40 | SpeedEvil | range: extras-devel I think |
| 20:39.40 | AbstractW | mmm hot pkn |
| 20:39.42 | AbstractW | pink |
| 20:39.46 | range | SpeedEvil: Ah. |
| 20:39.57 | SpeedEvil | range: cpu and ram usage iIRC |
| 20:39.59 | Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: are there any serious N900 cases out there? |
| 20:40.13 | RevdKathy | wazd.. you mean me? I have a wide, wide range of interests. maemo and bears are just a couple of them |
| 20:40.13 | range | Gadgetoid_iMac: Wasn't that serious enough? |
| 20:40.16 | AbstractW | Gadgetoid_iMac: Whats *NOT* serious about that? |
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| 20:40.20 | AbstractW | Its SERIOUSLY pink! |
| 20:40.23 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: I've got one that I don't really like that much |
| 20:40.26 | Scummer | serisouly! |
| 20:40.31 | AbstractW | for serious |
| 20:40.33 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: but mostly does what it says on the tin |
| 20:40.45 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I must admit it's strikingly pink, but I like leather |
| 20:40.46 | AbstractW | I think I should get a pink case for my phone. |
| 20:40.50 | fnordianslip | shall i see if i can get conky into extras as my first proper effort |
| 20:40.57 | Myrtti | PPPPIIINNKKK |
| 20:41.00 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Wait... is leather better or worse than pink? |
| 20:41.02 | Myrtti | you're setting off my hilight |
| 20:41.03 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190353399122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT |
| 20:41.04 | Scummer | gadgetoid: kinky |
| 20:41.08 | AbstractW | I dislike the cases that are glued on leather to hard plastic. |
| 20:41.08 | wazd | RevdKathy: good for you :) |
| 20:41.10 | range | Gadgetoid_iMac: Pink leather? |
| 20:41.11 | AbstractW | The leather comes off >< |
| 20:41.12 | SpeedEvil | my current case. |
| 20:41.23 | RevdKathy | Scummer - pink leather? |
| 20:41.23 | Gadgetoid_iMac | range: I think I might have a pink leather iPhone case somewhere |
| 20:41.31 | SpeedEvil | The protector is OK, the case has some sharp edges which need sanding |
| 20:41.43 | Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: that one looks 'shopped |
| 20:41.49 | Creteil | jkimball4, http://pastebin.com/d656d5792 |
| 20:41.51 | AbstractW | I'd say that a screen protector is required on a plastic screen. |
| 20:41.58 | Creteil | jkimball4, just use the console ... |
| 20:42.15 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Looks like I'm going to have to start whining at Proporta to deliver a viable N900 case |
| 20:42.17 | AbstractW | Creteil: Sweet. |
| 20:42.20 | jkimball4 | what am i using the console for? |
| 20:42.37 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: looking at the actual case - the pics are a fairly accurate reflection |
| 20:42.38 | AbstractW | jkimball4: Installing flac :P |
| 20:42.39 | Creteil | jkimball4, to install flac support .. |
| 20:42.42 | Gadgetoid_iMac | OH wait, it's on their radar |
| 20:42.45 | RevdKathy | Golla bags - little soft pouches for n900 in a range of colours |
| 20:42.47 | jkimball4 | oh. i already got it installed. |
| 20:42.50 | jkimball4 | haven't tested though |
| 20:42.52 | Gadgetoid_iMac | http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4883&t_mode=des |
| 20:42.57 | jkimball4 | all my audio is at home. :( |
| 20:43.00 | Creteil | jkimball4, ah ... ok ... |
| 20:43.11 | AbstractW | jkimball4: Test from any random flac file on the internet. |
| 20:43.17 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Although having tried many of Proporta's aluminium lined leather cases, and appreciating them for their protectiveness I can comfortably say that I much prefer slip cases |
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| 20:43.56 | AbstractW | Stitched leather, just doesn't stand up to a beating like hard plastic does on a phone case. |
| 20:44.10 | Scummer | i have a krussell case.. but it is a tight fit |
| 20:44.15 | Gadgetoid_iMac | AbstractW: I don't often beat my cases... |
| 20:44.35 | red | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190353399122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT |
| 20:44.42 | red | can one purchase these from finland somewhere? |
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| 20:45.01 | AbstractW | red: get the pink one. |
| 20:45.23 | SpeedEvil | red: search n900 crystal on ebay.fi or wherever it is. |
| 20:45.28 | SpeedEvil | red: probably |
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| 20:46.15 | Gadgetoid_iMac | red rocket! |
| 20:46.29 | red | don't really fancy ebay but guess I don't have a choice |
| 20:46.40 | jkimball4 | Creteil: thanks for the pointers, though |
| 20:46.51 | Gadgetoid_iMac | You do, red, wait. |
| 20:46.53 | AbstractW | hell yes! microsoft finally corrected their FOSS violation! http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/12/microsoft-finally-open-sources-windows-7-tool.ars |
| 20:47.08 | redeeman | except they actually didn't |
| 20:47.20 | jkimball4 | shall we start a license flame war? ;p |
| 20:47.36 | range | I have a leather pouch. That should be enough. |
| 20:47.38 | redeeman | they should have released the code used to generate the actual binary they distributed, where they instead choose to rewrite some parts and release that code, since they didn't wanna release the original |
| 20:47.48 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Holy shit, why does every advert have to play La Roux's sodding song |
| 20:47.52 | AbstractW | redeeman: Oh, damn. |
| 20:47.53 | AbstractW | suck. |
| 20:47.55 | jkimball4 | Gadgetoid_iMac: adblock |
| 20:48.01 | jkimball4 | and noscript |
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| 20:48.10 | Gadgetoid_iMac | jkimball4: Errr.... on the telly? |
| 20:48.10 | redeeman | AbstractW: hardly a surprise though, considering who it is |
| 20:48.25 | range | Gadgetoid_iMac: Sure :) |
| 20:48.36 | RevdKathy | I have someone askingwhat happened to the fm radio - it's no longer available for d/l. Anyone know why? |
| 20:48.37 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I'm too lazy to fast forward |
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| 20:48.55 | jkimball4 | ah well if you're not willing to expend energy to avoid them, i can't help you ;) |
| 20:49.04 | lcuk | RevdKathy, there was unfortunately a bug relating to fm radio intefering with the mic |
| 20:49.10 | AbstractW | RevdKathy: The N900 has a FM reciever? |
| 20:49.15 | lcuk | and whilst its resolved its just been removed |
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| 20:49.17 | SpeedEvil | AbstractW: yes |
| 20:49.20 | Gadgetoid_iMac | You could do it for me jkimball4... you could dance a little jig to distract my every time an annoying advert plays |
| 20:49.23 | lcuk | yes AbstractW |
| 20:49.26 | AbstractW | cool. |
| 20:49.27 | RevdKathy | I saw that and assumed it was that, lcuk. Will it be coming back? |
| 20:49.31 | SpeedEvil | AbstractW: and a transmitter |
| 20:49.37 | AbstractW | oh, very cool. |
| 20:49.38 | Scummer | ls |
| 20:49.38 | lcuk | i imagine it will yes |
| 20:49.42 | Scummer | oops |
| 20:49.48 | AbstractW | Has anyone gotten the transmitter to work with an automobile? |
| 20:49.49 | Gadgetoid_iMac | AbstractW: the FM transmitter sucks :D |
| 20:49.57 | lcuk | yes abstract |
| 20:49.58 | AbstractW | to be expected. |
| 20:49.58 | RevdKathy | lcuk. Good. That's what I guessed at and replied |
| 20:50.05 | lcuk | :) |
| 20:50.10 | Gadgetoid_iMac | You could always duct tape your N900 to the car ariel, that MIGHT give you a clear signal |
| 20:50.15 | lcuk | i saw the sheepdog thread :D its sparked lots of interest |
| 20:50.17 | RevdKathy | may be beginning to regret the pm link in my sig at t.m.o |
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| 20:50.38 | lcuk | lol RevdKathy |
| 20:50.40 | RevdKathy | lcuk - yes the question is how to take the sheepdog further |
| 20:50.45 | lcuk | rEv9, could you please change your nick |
| 20:50.52 | lcuk | you are getting in the way of me speaking to kathy |
| 20:51.15 | lcuk | i was playing around last night actually kath |
| 20:51.41 | lcuk | i was trying to make he particles errr sheep move over an undulating field |
| 20:51.44 | RevdKathy | lcuk: do you need to tell us that in IRC O_o |
| 20:51.45 | lcuk | without much luck lol |
| 20:51.48 | GeneralAntilles | RevdKathy, yeah, encouraging people to PM you is never porductive. ;) |
| 20:52.06 | lcuk | its ok RevdKathy have you noticed the sex thread got administerated? |
| 20:52.07 | rEv9 | lcuk: eh, what? |
| 20:52.11 | AbstractW | You have to be kidding me. |
| 20:52.12 | AbstractW | http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/51934/The-Daily-Slop-Model-Plays-WoW-Stoned-And-Naked |
| 20:52.17 | RevdKathy | General Antilles - I've made lots of freinds, but they seem to think I err.. know stuff |
| 20:52.28 | lcuk | lol rEv9 i type "re[tab]" and your nick comes up every time |
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| 20:52.38 | odin_ | what this VMWARE rubbish idea for mobiles? |
| 20:52.42 | lcuk | so i have to delete and reenter :D |
| 20:52.52 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Ooo I'm slightly drunk on shandy, quaffed from a classic pint mug |
| 20:52.54 | RevdKathy | lcuk - yeah that thread got nuked right after I suggested it should form the basis for a workshop at the next long weekend |
| 20:52.58 | AbstractW | odin_: What? You want to get VMWare running on your N900? :P |
| 20:53.03 | lcuk | :O |
| 20:53.09 | lcuk | no wonder lol |
| 20:53.19 | rEv9 | lcuk: if you change your irc client to a more decent one it actually remembers the last client you talked to and prefer that one when you use tab :) |
| 20:53.21 | Gadgetoid_iMac | odin_: they want to run two shitty OSes on their phones instead of one, obviously |
| 20:53.28 | odin_ | AbstractW, no friggin way.... not util my N900 sports 2Ghz CPU and 2Gb RAM |
| 20:53.33 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Their justification for VMWARE on phones is hilarious to say the least |
| 20:53.39 | lcuk | rEv9, cool idea! |
| 20:53.42 | RevdKathy | Perhaps we should stick to talking about sheep |
| 20:53.47 | lcuk | its the little things that count |
| 20:54.00 | rEv9 | last nick |
| 20:54.00 | rEv9 | * |
| 20:54.00 | Ceron^ | how am i suppoused to create album covers |
| 20:54.00 | Ceron^ | on the n900? |
| 20:54.00 | Ceron^ | :l |
| 20:54.00 | lcuk | yeah kathy |
| 20:54.05 | Ceron^ | could anyone tell |
| 20:54.18 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I mean, it's exactly like me using VMWare on my MBP to "Sandbox" my work environment.. it just isn't going to happen until virtualisation is 100% efficient... which is impossible, argh! |
| 20:54.24 | RevdKathy | the admins don't seem to mind that |
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| 20:54.38 | RevdKathy | thinks some people have no sense of hmour |
| 20:54.57 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Ceron^: you're listening to music, what the hell do you want album covers for!? I'll never understand that |
| 20:55.03 | RevdKathy | we need a designer to draw us some good sheep |
| 20:55.05 | lcuk | i dont think its a lack of humour |
| 20:55.08 | Ceron^ | well i just want it to look fancy |
| 20:55.09 | Ceron^ | thats all |
| 20:55.15 | lcuk | i tihnk it was people pointing out it was just about the best thread ever |
| 20:55.19 | Ceron^ | when showing the phone to friends O_o? |
| 20:55.26 | Ceron^ | like some iphone guy |
| 20:55.31 | Ceron^ | ´lol |
| 20:55.36 | Myrtti | Gadgetoid_iMac: I'm a visual person and can tell albums apart better from the album covers than the music, sometimes |
| 20:55.51 | RevdKathy | lcuk: LOL I thought it was upholding the stereotype of geeks and nerds |
| 20:55.52 | lcuk | Ceron^, liqflow makes people go "ooooh" quite a lot :) |
| 20:55.52 | Myrtti | visual aids |
| 20:55.54 | Ceron^ | how are the album covers made |
| 20:56.01 | Ceron^ | lcuk: i dont understand liqflow |
| 20:56.03 | Ceron^ | i cant get it to work |
| 20:56.08 | Ceron^ | ;/ |
| 20:56.08 | lcuk | and the accelerometer stuff gives people ideas :) |
| 20:56.19 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Myrtti: then I envy your musical knowledge... I can just about guess an artist from the album cover |
| 20:56.22 | lcuk | if you have an n810 that might explain it |
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| 20:56.27 | Ceron^ | lcuk: i got 900 |
| 20:56.28 | Ceron^ | n900 |
| 20:56.30 | RevdKathy | lcuk is liqflow actually available for download? Is it Mo-safe? |
| 20:56.31 | Ceron^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.41 | lcuk | "mo-safe"? |
| 20:56.51 | lcuk | its in extras-testing |
| 20:56.53 | Gadgetoid_iMac | liqflow? that's what you do when your girlfriend is on her... err... nevermind |
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| 20:56.57 | RevdKathy | Safe enough for My Mo, given that I don't know how to undo stuff |
| 20:56.59 | Ceron^ | i got liqbase.playground |
| 20:57.00 | lcuk | and has mainly +ve stars :) |
| 20:57.03 | Ceron^ | do i need anything else? |
| 20:57.06 | lcuk | Ceron^, thats why lol |
| 20:57.11 | Ceron^ | what? |
| 20:57.12 | Ceron^ | O_o |
| 20:57.15 | lcuk | thats not ready for human consumption |
| 20:57.25 | Ceron^ | oh :D |
| 20:57.28 | lcuk | its too much power for one person |
| 20:57.31 | lcuk | and its got many bugs |
| 20:57.32 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I put liqbase on my n810 and it esploded |
| 20:57.33 | Ceron^ | i loved the beer widget |
| 20:57.34 | Ceron^ | thing |
| 20:57.41 | Ceron^ | i found in there |
| 20:58.00 | Ceron^ | with cpu meter thing + beer |
| 20:58.06 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090710_002210.lib.holymoly.png |
| 20:58.08 | lcuk | where was it |
| 20:58.18 | RevdKathy | I'm not afraid of d/ling from other repositories - I have Xchat. ;) But I need reassurance that things won;t harm My Mo. Rough UI I don't care about |
| 20:58.41 | lcuk | liqflow on its own is nice and simple :) |
| 20:58.43 | lcuk | and works well |
| 20:58.52 | AbstractW | xchat is bad. |
| 20:58.54 | AbstractW | use bitchx :P |
| 20:58.57 | RevdKathy | liqflow is the one with the movey flowing lights, yes? |
| 20:58.59 | AbstractW | <3 console |
| 20:59.04 | Gadgetoid_iMac | downloads liqflow |
| 20:59.12 | lcuk | yes |
| 20:59.20 | Gadgetoid_iMac | xchat is cool, it's got an x in it! |
| 20:59.22 | AbstractW | http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/06/38/63800_sexystormtrooper_orig.jpg |
| 20:59.24 | RevdKathy | lcuk - the one I want for sensory work with people with learning diffs |
| 20:59.26 | AbstractW | I missed those troopers. |
| 20:59.29 | lcuk | i need to update that this week |
| 20:59.36 | lcuk | nods at RevdKathy |
| 20:59.38 | RevdKathy | lcuk - how big can you get a touch screen to play that on???? |
| 20:59.55 | lcuk | i would love to have massive size :$ |
| 21:00.16 | pwnguin | RevdKathy: im pretty sure liqflow is open source |
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| 21:00.38 | RevdKathy | I would settled for 15 inch that someone could reach out and touch. Could see it really working for LD sensory rooms |
| 21:01.05 | pwnguin | RevdKathy: probelm is that it does wrap around rather than source sink |
| 21:01.24 | solpete | I think software development has been slow |
| 21:01.28 | solpete | for n900 |
| 21:01.30 | RevdKathy | pwnguin... err I don't understand that! |
| 21:01.35 | lcuk | pwnguin, ?? |
| 21:01.38 | RevdKathy | is very very new to all this |
| 21:01.41 | lcuk | what do you mean |
| 21:01.53 | pwnguin | if you set up a contour |
| 21:02.04 | pwnguin | rather than distorting a field of falling particles |
| 21:02.12 | pwnguin | it slowly forms a narrow stream |
| 21:02.28 | lcuk | it does now, or you would want it to? |
| 21:02.31 | Arkenoi | 4 destkops is not enough :-( i'd prefer more to slide up and down |
| 21:02.36 | pwnguin | thats what it does now |
| 21:03.02 | lcuk | thats befcause of the wrap, you are right |
| 21:03.08 | RevdKathy | Ooh! All sorts of things in extras-testing... MUST RESIST! |
| 21:03.23 | range | *zap* |
| 21:03.26 | pwnguin | lcuk: if you treated the top as a particle source and the bottom as a particle sink |
| 21:03.27 | lcuk | the very first version i had, once a particle goes off screen, i had it teleporting and regenerating in a random place |
| 21:03.29 | solpete | RevdKathy where can I view extras content online? |
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| 21:03.43 | lcuk | pwnguin, but then where would the flow go |
| 21:03.45 | Gadgetoid_iMac | liqtorch is so awesome |
| 21:03.47 | lcuk | i know what you are saying |
| 21:04.03 | lcuk | perpendicular forces# |
| 21:04.04 | pwnguin | lcuk: it'd still flow, right? |
| 21:04.10 | lcuk | doubtful |
| 21:04.17 | lcuk | it would push away in a group |
| 21:04.25 | pwnguin | or rather, it would cause a distortion field |
| 21:04.29 | lcuk | its reasonably easy to test |
| 21:04.32 | RevdKathy | solpete: standard extras are here: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ |
| 21:04.32 | pwnguin | ever seen that old warp screensaver? |
| 21:04.44 | lcuk | yeah but im wondering how it would help |
| 21:04.49 | lcuk | with perception it would be crapo |
| 21:04.54 | lcuk | cos you would draw |
| 21:04.59 | lcuk | and it wouldnt do what you expect |
| 21:05.10 | pwnguin | i guess we're just after different things |
| 21:05.21 | lcuk | it would be counter inuitive for live motion |
| 21:05.32 | RevdKathy | Damn you lcuk! Now I shal never get any work donw! |
| 21:05.40 | lcuk | :) RevdKathy |
| 21:05.40 | range | Gadgetoid_iMac: Yeah, but I'd like to have a button for the LED Flash. |
| 21:05.48 | lcuk | how do you think i feel! |
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| 21:06.20 | lcuk | pwnguin, |
| 21:06.29 | lcuk | if you have liqflow source, you can alter it simply |
| 21:06.32 | solpete | RevdKathy cant fint it |
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| 21:06.35 | RevdKathy | lcuk - it's like playing with fairy lights! |
| 21:06.37 | pwnguin | lcuk: true. |
| 21:06.48 | lcuk | if you grab it, ill show you how to rotate the force by 90degrees |
| 21:06.55 | woglinde | he lcuk |
| 21:07.03 | pwnguin | im not sure what the 90 degree thing would do |
| 21:07.04 | lcuk | "use the force" |
| 21:07.08 | lcuk | well it would |
| 21:07.12 | woglinde | some sdk+ developer here? |
| 21:07.17 | lcuk | cos for stuff on one side of the line it would push |
| 21:07.19 | Gadgetoid_iMac | range: agreed! |
| 21:07.23 | lcuk | and for stuff on the other it would pull |
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| 21:07.40 | range | Gadgetoid_iMac: And then complain that battery life sucks :) |
| 21:07.40 | lcuk | which is exactly what you said |
| 21:07.47 | lcuk | and can be done by changing 2 variables |
| 21:07.57 | Gadgetoid_iMac | range: I don't think I'd use it THAT often |
| 21:08.09 | lcuk | button for LED flash *has* to go inside the camera app |
| 21:08.13 | lcuk | i want led when im using camera |
| 21:08.19 | lcuk | and if it happens to be useful anywhere else |
| 21:08.23 | lcuk | you still need to open lens |
| 21:08.25 | lcuk | which opens camera |
| 21:08.30 | lcuk | which has torch icon |
| 21:08.37 | lcuk | nothing else will do for me, sorry |
| 21:08.59 | Gadgetoid_iMac | kinda makes sense lcuk, having a separate app just to light the camera LEDs up is a bit... overkill |
| 21:09.15 | lcuk | especially when ALL the code is in the camera itself already |
| 21:09.22 | lcuk | and the camera app has to run at that time |
| 21:09.23 | lcuk | qed |
| 21:10.16 | plr_ | is it possible to paste into xterm in n900? |
| 21:10.31 | pwnguin | i wonder though, if you can drive the LED from safe torch to flash |
| 21:10.31 | range | Well. Brainstorm!!!! |
| 21:10.50 | Stskeeps | pwnguin: if you hack the kernel you can probably overload it |
| 21:10.55 | Stskeeps | i found the place somewhere |
| 21:10.58 | pwnguin | or if flash is expecting a on / off cycle |
| 21:11.04 | range | plr_: Yes. If you have something in the buffer, you can paste it via the bar at the top of xterm. |
| 21:11.33 | woglinde | range I wondered if there is some shortcuts |
| 21:11.53 | lcuk | RevdKathy, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/liqflow/0.1.1/ |
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| 21:12.04 | lcuk | if you are testing it, please verify that it operates :) |
| 21:12.08 | lcuk | hey javispedro |
| 21:12.16 | woglinde | re javis |
| 21:12.17 | javispedro | hiyo lcuk |
| 21:12.22 | javispedro | hi woglinde |
| 21:12.30 | RevdKathy | I will test it tonight and vote properly tomorrow :) |
| 21:12.33 | range | woglinde: ctrl-v/-c doesn't work, it seems. |
| 21:12.39 | woglinde | range jupp |
| 21:12.48 | woglinde | same as in diablo |
| 21:12.53 | lcuk | roger \o |
| 21:13.03 | woglinde | lcuk? |
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| 21:13.10 | range | woglinde: No idea. I only had an n800 which had no real ctrl-c/-v :) |
| 21:13.13 | javispedro | lcuk: now I have to agree with you, the n900 is too fast :) |
| 21:13.17 | plr_ | range: true, thanks. I thought I had, but apparently did not |
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| 21:13.20 | lcuk | woglinde, are you called roger? |
| 21:13.24 | lcuk | javispedro, :) |
| 21:13.26 | javispedro | please slow it down! :) |
| 21:13.38 | javispedro | plans to underclock |
| 21:13.45 | RevdKathy | lcuk: though I seem to run out of lights. They all run away from me after a few minutes |
| 21:13.52 | javispedro | lets see if that improves battery life, I guess not though. |
| 21:14.02 | lcuk | they vanish down a blackhole/sink |
| 21:14.07 | lcuk | clear them |
| 21:14.13 | lcuk | using the little button in the bottom corner |
| 21:14.21 | lcuk | /sheeppen |
| 21:14.25 | Gadgetoid_iMac | I intensely dislike IE6 |
| 21:14.35 | RevdKathy | lcuk the little button restarts it |
| 21:14.36 | lcuk | it dislikesyou too |
| 21:14.38 | javispedro | you're running ie6 on a imac? |
| 21:14.44 | javispedro | that's evil. |
| 21:14.48 | lcuk | ahhh you want to clea just the particles, but not the lines |
| 21:14.54 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Nah javispedro, I'm remote desktopping into my PC, which is running it in VirtualPC |
| 21:14.56 | lcuk | will make sure thats in the ui |
| 21:14.59 | lcuk | on the next one |
| 21:15.06 | woglinde | javispedro hm I thought last oe version on mac was 5 |
| 21:15.08 | lcuk | we were discussing it at the weekend |
| 21:15.11 | woglinde | args ie |
| 21:15.20 | RevdKathy | lcuk - no I just pressed the other corner and it all cleared! but I don't see a button there |
| 21:15.23 | Gadgetoid_iMac | My Mac would explode into flames if I tried to run IE on it |
| 21:15.24 | lcuk | and i have layouts and notes about the required preferences, or some of them |
| 21:15.32 | lcuk | i could do with continuing the discussion |
| 21:15.39 | lcuk | ahhhh RevdKathy then its a bug |
| 21:15.43 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Running it on a computer that's safely tucked away upstairs on the other side of the house seems like an appropriate precaution |
| 21:15.45 | lcuk | do not vote it up :) |
| 21:15.47 | lcuk | i will cure |
| 21:15.49 | javispedro | hm.. my n900 is doing weird things right now |
| 21:16.02 | javispedro | the icd2 icon is blinking but it's definitely connected and apps know it |
| 21:16.06 | pwnguin | looks up the name of that DS homebrew particle system |
| 21:16.34 | RevdKathy | lcuk: I see the little green 'back' arrow, but no button in the bottom right. Pressing there works to reset - but I don't actually see what I'm pressing |
| 21:16.46 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqflow_test.AVI |
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| 21:16.58 | lcuk | RevdKathy, then the graphic for the button is missing, its a bug |
| 21:17.01 | lcuk | theres meant to be one |
| 21:17.06 | lcuk | pwnguin, cool |
| 21:17.08 | lcuk | more toys |
| 21:17.19 | RevdKathy | lcuk! aha! no, no icon |
| 21:17.36 | RevdKathy | it's like dancing in a snowstorm in the warm |
| 21:18.33 | javispedro | "The door resists! The door resists! The door opens". Do people really play this? |
| 21:18.38 | lcuk | i gather that wouldnt have much of an effect for you! |
| 21:18.45 | lcuk | you could stand in the rain and not get wet |
| 21:19.02 | pwnguin | javispedro: kick the door down! |
| 21:19.04 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I personally prefer the ascii port |
| 21:19.12 | RevdKathy | lcuk: me? Why? I get cold and wet. But I love your snowstorm |
| 21:19.14 | SpeedEvil | err - version |
| 21:19.19 | valdyn | javispedro: look up nethack at wikipedia |
| 21:19.20 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:19.33 | SpeedEvil | telnet nethack.alt.org |
| 21:19.37 | lcuk | RevdKathy, i just like to clear it and twist and tilt the device, i think it looks like rain |
| 21:19.44 | SpeedEvil | there are a dozen ormore games in progress at most times |
| 21:19.48 | SpeedEvil | that you can watch |
| 21:19.55 | lcuk | at the maemo weekend they worked through graphical nethack i think |
| 21:20.15 | woglinde | qt gles nethack? |
| 21:20.15 | SpeedEvil | 42 even |
| 21:20.26 | javispedro | .. vulture's eye. |
| 21:20.27 | lcuk | with accelerometer controls |
| 21:20.32 | xorAxAx | i am running the sdk and the app man is neither showing icons nor descriptions, how can i fix that? |
| 21:20.52 | lcuk | "app man" |
| 21:20.57 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I find the interface confuses the underlying game mechanics. |
| 21:21.01 | xorAxAx | app manager |
| 21:21.09 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: but then again - some want gooey. |
| 21:21.10 | RevdKathy | lcuk: I could see this being very big in therapy |
| 21:21.26 | lcuk | RevdKathy, its very theraputic to me already |
| 21:21.34 | lcuk | that video i posted up there |
| 21:21.39 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqflow_test.AVI |
| 21:21.47 | lcuk | was done about 10 minutes after i made it |
| 21:21.58 | lcuk | ive wanted to do it for years |
| 21:22.05 | RevdKathy | lcuk - yes, but for people with learning difficuties, depression, anxiety |
| 21:22.12 | lcuk | and knew how it could work (it uses the same stars engine from original liqbase) |
| 21:22.28 | lcuk | i can bet i have all 3 of those at different times ;) |
| 21:22.35 | RevdKathy | LOL me too |
| 21:23.16 | RevdKathy | I could sell this tomorrow to these people: http://www.sensoryproject.com/ |
| 21:23.26 | lcuk | yeah you said |
| 21:23.44 | lcuk | theres some polishing work going on in the next few weeks |
| 21:23.49 | RevdKathy | or whole walls of it in rompa rooms |
| 21:23.56 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: have to agree, I think the interface is kind of hiding which kind of game is this one |
| 21:24.05 | lcuk | but i need to get together again with some of the folks from maemo-ui to make sure we get everything right |
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| 21:24.14 | lcuk | but then there will be a really slick nicely tuned app |
| 21:24.44 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: telnet nethack.alt.org and watch some games. It's an insanely involved game IMO. I still come back to it after >20 years. |
| 21:24.54 | RevdKathy | compared with your vid, I a only seeing the one icon |
| 21:25.00 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:25.13 | pwnguin | http://dl.qj.net/nintendo-ds/homebrew-games/world-of-sand-ds-v10.html |
| 21:25.18 | RevdKathy | It will be beautiful. |
| 21:25.33 | lcuk | nods |
| 21:25.38 | Arkenoi | seems that rss reader has no fullscreen mode on n900? |
| 21:25.43 | lcuk | the same technology is being built into sheepdog |
| 21:25.46 | pwnguin | sadly, no source |
| 21:25.46 | RevdKathy | It's alread beautiful, but you need the UI stuff like the load screen: the actual app is gorgeous |
| 21:25.57 | RevdKathy | Great! Woof! |
| 21:26.02 | lcuk | nods |
| 21:26.09 | xorAxAx | repo.m.org is so slow |
| 21:26.11 | lcuk | im not gonna do the graphics or anything lol |
| 21:26.17 | woglinde | xorAxAx yo |
| 21:26.19 | lcuk | but ill make sure the app can be built on |
| 21:26.27 | RevdKathy | I wondered about creating one of those games where you have to get a bal-bearing up a spiral mountain |
| 21:26.50 | lcuk | i was just thinking of starting with the box holes version |
| 21:26.52 | *** join/#maemo mikhas (n=mikhas@p4FC21953.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:26.53 | RevdKathy | I was wondering whether Samantha could draw us some sheep |
| 21:27.05 | lcuk | if they want big heavy 3d ones it will need the big heavy 3d engine |
| 21:27.10 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:27.12 | RevdKathy | do you think she would |
| 21:27.17 | lcuk | probably |
| 21:27.23 | lcuk | someone would |
| 21:27.26 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:27.27 | lcuk | theres lots of interest already |
| 21:27.29 | RevdKathy | I think it only needs little cute sheep (or Qt sheep) |
| 21:27.38 | lcuk | i might even make a specific liqbase sketch app |
| 21:27.41 | lcuk | "draw us a sheep" |
| 21:27.42 | clmntch | hello |
| 21:27.44 | RevdKathy | able to lower their heads to eat and lift their tails to poop |
| 21:27.46 | lcuk | and let em be uploaded |
| 21:28.03 | lcuk | ask in the chan for sheep graphics |
| 21:28.10 | lcuk | see what people send you |
| 21:28.15 | lcuk | ideas for in game graphics |
| 21:28.18 | RevdKathy | how would I do that? |
| 21:28.23 | lcuk | get em to hand draw em/ made em themselves |
| 21:28.23 | fnordianslip | each sheep should be unique and have a name |
| 21:28.26 | woglinde | blog post |
| 21:28.38 | lcuk | "hi, to take this further, draw us some sheepy graphics" |
| 21:28.41 | RevdKathy | My nephew draws sheep |
| 21:28.46 | lcuk | "titles in game graphics etc" |
| 21:28.52 | RevdKathy | t.m.o? |
| 21:29.02 | lcuk | yeah why not |
| 21:29.03 | lcuk | :) |
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| 21:29.22 | lcuk | then there will be a load of different alternative graphics for use in whichever sheepy games we have |
| 21:29.32 | RevdKathy | fnordianship - working towards a really advanced version where the sheep have ear-tags and you have to get each sheep in the right pen |
| 21:29.35 | zs | how can I download all examples from https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/ in one go? |
| 21:29.41 | pwnguin | just take a picture of sheep and magic wand it ;) |
| 21:29.43 | lcuk | the paths that people try to make the sheep may allow multiple games to be made |
| 21:29.50 | lcuk | yeah pwnguin if you want |
| 21:29.51 | fnordianslip | wants a sheepipede |
| 21:29.52 | RevdKathy | Ok.. I'll post in general! |
| 21:29.56 | lcuk | just let people be creative |
| 21:29.59 | lcuk | :) |
| 21:30.03 | clmntch | do they sell dvi switch boxes? |
| 21:30.06 | lcuk | just extend the same thread or something |
| 21:30.15 | RevdKathy | I was also wondering about going to a sheep farm with a sound recorder... |
| 21:30.16 | lcuk | its no hassle |
| 21:30.19 | lcuk | and easy to do |
| 21:30.19 | RevdKathy | for some baaas |
| 21:30.21 | clmntch | whoops wrong channel |
| 21:30.26 | lcuk | hahaha |
| 21:30.35 | lcuk | go with graphics, people like to be creative |
| 21:30.44 | RevdKathy | needs a bit of background baaing |
| 21:30.47 | lcuk | ask for any sort of things which might be usable in a sheep related game |
| 21:30.55 | RevdKathy | ok, I will :) |
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| 21:31.03 | lcuk | they will end up with a style that works and suits |
| 21:31.10 | RevdKathy | I'll post in general in case people (like me) don' venture into games very often |
| 21:31.10 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: just add sheep to bounce |
| 21:31.14 | lcuk | and some one else might even make a game engine for em to use em |
| 21:31.17 | lcuk | everyone wins |
| 21:31.23 | RevdKathy | sounds good! |
| 21:31.26 | lcuk | yeah SpeedEvil |
| 21:31.29 | RevdKathy | ok, I'll do that in the morning |
| 21:31.38 | lcuk | cool! |
| 21:31.38 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: imagine smacking them through the air, and them splashing in the water! |
| 21:31.52 | SpeedEvil | With cool ripple effects! |
| 21:31.52 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, you start making the game then |
| 21:31.52 | RevdKathy | meawhile, I'm going to take those snoflakes to bed: got a day learning to get out of strangleholds tomorrow |
| 21:31.57 | lcuk | you will have some graphics tomorrow night |
| 21:32.05 | RevdKathy | great! thanks for the help |
| 21:32.14 | lcuk | no prob kathy :) sleep well |
| 21:32.15 | RevdKathy | Goodnight all! |
| 21:32.18 | RevdKathy | I will :) |
| 21:32.25 | RevdKathy | and dream of sheep and snowflakes |
| 21:32.27 | fnordianslip | could call it "ruminat rescue" or similar |
| 21:32.33 | fnordianslip | ruminant even |
| 21:32.36 | lcuk | counting sheep screen saver bedtime app! |
| 21:32.45 | woglinde | wahaaa |
| 21:32.53 | jkimball4 | flac works |
| 21:33.04 | pwnguin | lcuk: ive got it. you make a calendar drawing app |
| 21:33.06 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: be careful1 |
| 21:33.09 | SpeedEvil | http://www.xkcd.com/571/ |
| 21:33.14 | pwnguin | every day is a new subject to draw |
| 21:33.25 | lcuk | pwnguin, what do you think i do with it already |
| 21:33.31 | pwnguin | donno |
| 21:33.43 | lcuk | before i wrote the calendar i wrote an app to draw fonts on |
| 21:33.49 | lcuk | i drew a different thing in each box |
| 21:33.57 | lcuk | now i have the calendar itself |
| 21:34.04 | lcuk | but like i said to quim, the idea works for anything |
| 21:34.10 | pwnguin | i was just thinking if you want people to participate |
| 21:34.49 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/barcamp_grid.jpg |
| 21:34.51 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:35.01 | lcuk | i know EXACTLY what you are thinking |
| 21:35.03 | pwnguin | in a group drawing challenge, maybe they don't have to nessecarily draw know they're contributing to an archive. or maybe this is what you have in mind and i should stop wasting time |
| 21:35.07 | lcuk | ive already spoken with people about it |
| 21:35.28 | lcuk | its part of the collaborative orchestra application im working on |
| 21:35.36 | Proteous | w there are men on it... top men |
| 21:35.49 | woglinde | orchestra? |
| 21:35.51 | Proteous | I said Top Men |
| 21:36.03 | lcuk | woglinde, :) |
| 21:36.56 | pwnguin | i remember brain age had a daily "draw x" task |
| 21:37.06 | *** join/#maemo bbee (n=bbee@unaffiliated/bbee) |
| 21:37.26 | pwnguin | or weekly, semi-random. i cant remember. i guess that means fbrain age failed |
| 21:37.34 | lcuk | hahahahahahaha SpeedEvil |
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| 21:37.50 | fnordianslip | sheep cakes: http://llamasoft.co.uk/yak/sheepcakes.jpg |
| 21:38.01 | lcuk | i posted xkcd today in a very serious channel |
| 21:38.04 | _claesbas | is there a bluemaemo for maemo5 for testing yet? |
| 21:38.15 | lcuk | maybe its in testing |
| 21:38.19 | lcuk | VDVsx, wake up |
| 21:38.20 | lcuk | customer |
| 21:38.24 | _claesbas | :-) |
| 21:38.31 | _claesbas | I've poked him already |
| 21:38.44 | lcuk | o_O i dont wanna know what you did lol |
| 21:38.48 | VDVsx | _claesbas, and I answered |
| 21:39.03 | _claesbas | sorry, I saw that now.. thank you |
| 21:39.22 | _claesbas | hehe |
| 21:39.33 | VDVsx | _claesbas, is alpha sw so don't expect that much.. |
| 21:39.41 | Ceron^ | i love the sound quality of my n900 + bose headset |
| 21:40.22 | _claesbas | Ok, I see.. I am actually helping a friend here |
| 21:40.26 | *** join/#maemo shdb_ (n=shdb@80-218-240-206.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 21:40.33 | _claesbas | I have no n900 yet but a friend does |
| 21:40.53 | lcuk | can somebody write me a tiny .sh script which takes as a parameter a thread index and a picture file. i will write a quick sketch app which will let you submit a sketch as a photo to an ongoing tmo thread |
| 21:40.57 | _claesbas | and he asked for a bluetooth keuboard/mouse solution |
| 21:41.35 | _claesbas | VDVsx, ok, then I know.. are you working on it atm? |
| 21:41.47 | woglinde | lcuk .sh and threads? |
| 21:41.50 | VDVsx | _claesbas, that's a remote controller app only |
| 21:41.53 | lcuk | .sh script file |
| 21:41.55 | VDVsx | _claesbas, not too much |
| 21:41.56 | lcuk | talk.maemo.org thread |
| 21:41.59 | lcuk | using wget |
| 21:42.01 | lcuk | or something |
| 21:42.09 | lcuk | i could do it with the internal www library |
| 21:42.14 | lcuk | but this will be quicker to get moving |
| 21:42.25 | lcuk | i can let kathy have her sheep drawing app by the morning |
| 21:42.37 | lcuk | so when she opens the thread she can give people a drawing tool to send them to |
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| 21:42.37 | woglinde | lcuk I am tired |
| 21:42.43 | woglinde | work was hard today |
| 21:42.45 | xorAxAx | is it possible to disable the "not supported by nokia" warning in the app manager? |
| 21:42.49 | lcuk | indeed |
| 21:42.56 | lcuk | was hard for me too! |
| 21:43.04 | lcuk | i had to rebuild scratchbox :S |
| 21:43.09 | pwnguin | lcuk: the problem with automated posting is that you'd need to authenticate |
| 21:43.13 | woglinde | ???? |
| 21:43.18 | Macer | haha |
| 21:43.21 | woglinde | why you are building scratchbox |
| 21:43.24 | mikhas | xorAxAx, you want to replace it with a "not supported by the developer" warning instead? |
| 21:43.26 | woglinde | instead of installing it |
| 21:43.31 | pwnguin | lcuk: maybe instead, just launch a url in the browser? |
| 21:43.34 | lcuk | pwnguin, cookie gets logged in by user |
| 21:43.39 | woglinde | lcuk make cmake working in sdk+ |
| 21:43.39 | Macer | what is the point of a 400MB losless release of an album? :) |
| 21:43.44 | xorAxAx | mikhas: heh, no, i want to skip it |
| 21:43.44 | lcuk | pwnguin, it needs uploading |
| 21:43.44 | Macer | why not just release the CD? haha |
| 21:43.49 | lcuk | i do it now to liqbase.net |
| 21:43.53 | lcuk | but from inside the app |
| 21:44.02 | lcuk | theres gotta be a way to automatically post to talk.maemo.org |
| 21:44.05 | lcuk | from code |
| 21:44.18 | pwnguin | sure, if you steal cookies |
| 21:44.23 | lcuk | then steal em |
| 21:44.25 | pwnguin | or embed passwords |
| 21:44.37 | lcuk | thats doable |
| 21:44.41 | lcuk | ill ask for the username and password |
| 21:44.47 | lcuk | i do it now for liqbase |
| 21:44.51 | pwnguin | that maybe not so bright |
| 21:44.53 | lcuk | ok, ill pass those as params |
| 21:44.57 | pwnguin | even worse |
| 21:45.05 | lcuk | meh i actually store the base64 away for liqbase |
| 21:45.17 | lcuk | errr not base64 |
| 21:45.19 | lcuk | md5 |
| 21:45.31 | pwnguin | on the other hand |
| 21:45.41 | pwnguin | how does the flickr / facebook / etc work? |
| 21:45.49 | lcuk | same way to some degree |
| 21:46.04 | pwnguin | i think flickr has some keypair tool |
| 21:46.04 | lcuk | tell me what i need to pass you to a .sh script and ill make sure its available |
| 21:46.10 | lcuk | i just wanna post pictures to tmo |
| 21:46.16 | lcuk | so kathy can get her sheep |
| 21:46.20 | pwnguin | heh |
| 21:46.24 | lcuk | i could use the irc app im building |
| 21:46.31 | lcuk | but that wont be ready by the morning |
| 21:46.39 | lcuk | this can be |
| 21:46.42 | lcuk | and in extras-devel |
| 21:46.49 | lcuk | simple logistics |
| 21:46.59 | pwnguin | hacky way would be to take username, password, thread and filename |
| 21:47.04 | Sir_Lancelot | hi guys |
| 21:47.07 | lcuk | filename is autogenerated |
| 21:47.12 | lcuk | cos they will draw |
| 21:47.14 | lcuk | and when submit |
| 21:47.17 | lcuk | it makes file |
| 21:47.19 | lcuk | so, great |
| 21:47.21 | lcuk | do it hacky |
| 21:47.24 | Sir_Lancelot | does it exist a Facebook app for the N900? |
| 21:47.30 | pwnguin | then you'd issue a login request via wget, then a post request via wget |
| 21:47.42 | lcuk | i wouldnt |
| 21:47.50 | lcuk | you would :P ill get writing the app |
| 21:47.50 | pwnguin | the script would |
| 21:48.04 | lcuk | whats your name |
| 21:48.11 | lcuk | ill make sure its on the front |
| 21:48.22 | pwnguin | actually im at work, and you're distracting me :P |
| 21:48.41 | lcuk | haha |
| 21:48.43 | pwnguin | its possible, get someone else do do the hack ;) |
| 21:48.49 | lcuk | distracting myself too |
| 21:48.54 | lcuk | i should be resting |
| 21:49.52 | lcuk | i wonder if thread by title would be possible |
| 21:49.55 | lcuk | include a list of subjects to draw |
| 21:50.03 | lcuk | and let people just choose the ones they wannt play in |
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| 21:51.25 | jkimball4 | who was talking about the return key not working right on irssi? |
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| 21:53.53 | Sir_Lancelot | is there a keyboard shotcut to acess the program menu? |
| 21:55.16 | GeneralAntilles | ctrl-backspace |
| 21:55.20 | GeneralAntilles | Then tap the icon in the upper left. |
| 21:55.37 | mikhas | lol, not really a keyboard shortcut then =p |
| 21:56.15 | GeneralAntilles | mikhas, it's a bit like your shortcut on the metro. :P |
| 21:57.09 | mikhas | meh |
| 21:57.47 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, ping? |
| 21:58.08 | GeneralAntilles | mikhas, have you installed camkeyd? |
| 21:58.21 | lbt | pong GeneralAntilles |
| 21:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=421680 |
| 21:58.32 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, Maemo 6 ToC. |
| 21:58.43 | mikhas | have I what? probably not! |
| 21:58.51 | lardman | re |
| 21:59.01 | GeneralAntilles | mikhas, it's in Extras-devel or Extras-testing. |
| 21:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | It binds the autofocus step on the camera key to ctrl-backspace. |
| 21:59.16 | woglinde | jo lardman |
| 21:59.23 | lbt | yup - it's what we whiteboarded |
| 21:59.23 | lardman | hi woglinde |
| 21:59.52 | lardman | ~lart building for i386 |
| 21:59.52 | infobot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up building for i386 |
| 22:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, just making sure you know the thread exists for when discussion breaks out. ;) |
| 22:00.18 | lbt | heh - I only wrote that this pm :) |
| 22:00.33 | mikhas | hm, nice idea. maybe I could learn sth from the code |
| 22:01.29 | Ceron^ | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2f4_1260478528 > n900 at class |
| 22:02.46 | woglinde | lardman hehe |
| 22:02.57 | woglinde | ~lart broken cmake support in sdk+ |
| 22:02.57 | infobot | urinates on broken cmake support in sdk+ |
| 22:03.18 | saahleh | i want a browser that doesnt crash! And how to get the pipe-symbol in console? |
| 22:03.32 | Scummer | where can i find the trunk for libmodest-dbus-client ? |
| 22:03.41 | mikhas | saahleh, via sym table |
| 22:04.52 | saahleh | sym table? |
| 22:04.58 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: mutter tmo mutter maemo-developer ml |
| 22:05.01 | mikhas | symbol table |
| 22:05.04 | Scummer | saahleh : fn + sym |
| 22:05.09 | mikhas | the most top left key |
| 22:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, indeed. |
| 22:05.13 | mikhas | + fn, yes |
| 22:05.22 | lardman | lbt: ml snr going down/ |
| 22:05.23 | lardman | ? |
| 22:05.24 | mikhas | which is situated right below |
| 22:06.11 | saahleh | a, thanks | :) |
| 22:06.30 | lardman | prays that he's not missed another bloody vfp command this time |
| 22:06.33 | mikhas | now that you found the symbol table: the 3rd row (from top) are compose keys |
| 22:06.50 | SpeedEvil | lardman: what about adding LED support for barcodes |
| 22:06.51 | mikhas | I only mention it in case it is too obvious to you =) |
| 22:07.06 | SpeedEvil | lardman: turning on the LED in torch mode would be handy for some scanning |
| 22:07.36 | lardman | SpeedEvil: sure, do we know how? |
| 22:07.39 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch |
| 22:07.46 | SpeedEvil | lardman: it's a v4l2 ioctl |
| 22:08.02 | SpeedEvil | a control of the main camera |
| 22:08.18 | SpeedEvil | plus - it would double as a flashlight |
| 22:08.19 | mikhas | http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_Guide_table_of_contents <= no "maemo6 by example" section? |
| 22:08.21 | lardman | I'll look in the camerabin source, might already be available as a gst-photography fn |
| 22:08.30 | lardman | but yeah, sounds reasonable |
| 22:08.42 | lardman | thanks for the linky |
| 22:08.51 | SpeedEvil | lardman: if it can do arbitrary v4l2 controls - like 'pan' and stuff - then it should be easy |
| 22:08.51 | luke-jr_ | mikhas: seeing as Maemo6 doesn't exist yet.. |
| 22:08.53 | Arkenoi | is there a torch application already? |
| 22:08.57 | mikhas | it's a dev guide OK, but I always want to see some results quickly before I go reading sth in length. |
| 22:09.02 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: not that runs the LEDs |
| 22:09.09 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: one that brightens the screen onl |
| 22:09.10 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 22:09.24 | cehteh | hehe |
| 22:09.32 | Dr_Cain | is there any way to turn off noticiations for certain skype chats perhaps? |
| 22:09.36 | lbt | lardman: yeah - I'd rather discuss this kind of thing on the ml -- when quim does this the "tmo is replacing the ml" becomes a bit self fulfilling - he's capable of *huge* influence on how/where people engage :) |
| 22:09.45 | cehteh | the led chip has 3 steps btw |
| 22:09.53 | lardman | lbt: ack |
| 22:09.55 | cehteh | low light, torch, and flash |
| 22:09.58 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it has lots mroe than 3 |
| 22:10.11 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: the low light is a seperate LED - if you mean the red one |
| 22:10.12 | lardman | lbt: I have to say brainstorm has passed me by as a useful tool |
| 22:10.17 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: sure? i read the specs recently |
| 22:10.20 | cehteh | nope |
| 22:10.27 | cehteh | for the flashlight leds |
| 22:10.43 | derf | lardman: You're reducing the resolution of the camera image in mbarcode, right? |
| 22:10.51 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: the flashlight LEDs are the flash LEDs - same ones. just at a lower current. Spent last night reading driver |
| 22:10.52 | cehteh | 10mA |
| 22:10.57 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: 50 |
| 22:11.13 | lardman | derf: yeah |
| 22:11.26 | derf | Have you thought about reading the full resolution image and then just cropping it? |
| 22:11.30 | cehteh | 10mA for a dim light, 50mA for the torch mode and 320 mA for flash |
| 22:11.47 | derf | I find myself pushing the device right up to whatever I want to scan, where it focuses badly. |
| 22:11.49 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: As I read it it's variable - but, a bit annoying. |
| 22:11.54 | lardman | derf: yes I was thinking about that, might make focusing work better |
| 22:12.02 | derf | lardman: Yes, exactly. |
| 22:12.14 | SpeedEvil | full res image has its own problems - rate will be _lots_ lower |
| 22:12.16 | lardman | derf: the reason I didn't was that the gst element to do cropping was missing |
| 22:12.17 | Sir_Lancelot | where can I find a list of all existing keyboard shortcuts for N900? :) |
| 22:12.26 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: i read the controlers specs which has 2 bit for controling it off + 3 modes |
| 22:12.31 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Camera is already agonizingly slow |
| 22:12.32 | lardman | and I simultaneously worked out how to focus, so thought I'd give it a go |
| 22:12.46 | lardman | derf: is an easy tweak to the code though |
| 22:12.50 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I've downloaded, but not read the ds, thought it was linear - guess I'm conflating it with the focus |
| 22:12.55 | jebba | if the build box is using qemu, is it at least using virtio? http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Virtio speeds up things significantly. |
| 22:13.03 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: whihc is linear |
| 22:13.15 | cehteh | yeah likely |
| 22:13.24 | luke-jr_ | jebba: qemu is not KVM |
| 22:14.13 | cehteh | well i wont experiment with the flash leds too much .. you can easily destroy them, even when they are protected, i dont trust the protection too much ... overcurrent/heat kills high power leds |
| 22:14.44 | pupnik | Sir_Lancelot: talk.maemo.org |
| 22:14.46 | jebba | qemu-kvm ... |
| 22:15.01 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: read the driver |
| 22:15.08 | jebba | ah, unless it's just doing qemu as ARM |
| 22:15.13 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: says 350ma*500ms max, or 50mA cont |
| 22:15.13 | pupnik | how close can you focus with n900 macro? i seem to get up to about 14 cm, then blur |
| 22:15.23 | pupnik | or maybe 18 |
| 22:15.27 | lardman | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36644 sums up my opinion |
| 22:15.29 | jebba | but if it was just running qemu to virtualize things, well, i'd hope it was kvm not plain qemu ;) |
| 22:15.49 | luke-jr_ | jebba: if it was just needing virtualization, it should use OpenVZ, not KVM nor qemu |
| 22:16.06 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: i didnt looked at the driver .. i looked at the specs of the contolling chip, maybe the driver doesnt export all |
| 22:16.20 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: notes in driver platform file about maxes. |
| 22:16.25 | cehteh | and 500ms are a long time, be careful |
| 22:16.35 | jebba | luke-jr_: well, it is running qemu from what I was told, but I dont have acces, so i dont know for sure. EIther way, it should use virtio... |
| 22:16.36 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it's enforced in the driver IIRC |
| 22:16.54 | cehteh | the chip as also some protection iirc |
| 22:16.54 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: though you can still flash multiple times - but you can do that with the normal app too |
| 22:17.03 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: only for overheat of the chip |
| 22:17.04 | lardman | derf: there's a GDK fn to convert from RGB to greyscale isn't there iirc? |
| 22:17.04 | cehteh | yes |
| 22:17.11 | luke-jr_ | jebba: virtio doesn't sound like something that would benefit an emulator |
| 22:17.14 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it has no seperate LED overheat detect |
| 22:17.30 | luke-jr_ | jebba: and virtio would just be crazy for OpenVZ |
| 22:17.42 | luke-jr_ | OpenVZ isn't a hypervisor, it's faster |
| 22:18.15 | cehteh | well overheat of the chip is linear to led overheat since the current goes through both :P (not exactly, thats why i warned not to stess it) |
| 22:18.25 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: not really |
| 22:18.27 | jebba | of course it would benefit an emulator. Faster disk & net. gah, why am i having this conversation done. |
| 22:18.46 | cehteh | i prolly has also a timer/watchdog .. cant remember |
| 22:19.06 | pupnik | hah t.m.o thread with 3,653 replies "Mobile Phones Direct N900 Customers" |
| 22:19.11 | cehteh | anyways .. this leds are easy to fry if you abuse them |
| 22:19.22 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: consider it like your car. you have engine and brakes, the power goes through both if you press them both together - but the engine won't fry |
| 22:19.28 | pupnik | LEDs should be current-limited |
| 22:19.33 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: they are. |
| 22:19.42 | pupnik | driven by current-limited circuits |
| 22:19.47 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: to a rate at which it will exceed specs if they are on over .5s |
| 22:19.49 | pupnik | you can also get by with properly chosen resistors |
| 22:19.55 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: as they are flash LEDs fundamentally |
| 22:19.59 | pupnik | ahh |
| 22:20.04 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: (well - in flash mode) |
| 22:20.08 | lardman | are they not heat limited ultimately? |
| 22:20.25 | cehteh | no |
| 22:20.27 | cehteh | http://www.analog.com/en/power-management/display-and-lighting/adp1653/products/product.html |
| 22:20.28 | SpeedEvil | lardman: maybe, there can be other failure mechanisms. |
| 22:20.40 | cehteh | read the datasheet |
| 22:20.42 | SpeedEvil | lardman: but heat is a primary one. |
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| 22:20.57 | lardman | certainly the ones I use have a heat tolerance and draw as much current as they need |
| 22:21.03 | SpeedEvil | lardman: however - the driver says that flashlight mode is OK - it's 1/7th the power. |
| 22:21.09 | lardman | keep below ~120C, etc |
| 22:21.12 | pupnik | odd topic |
| 22:21.42 | SpeedEvil | lardman: diodes are a fundamentally constant voltage device. They take as much current as you give them. |
| 22:22.06 | lardman | really? |
| 22:22.15 | cehteh | yeah |
| 22:22.15 | lardman | so you have to current limit them? |
| 22:22.15 | xorAxAx | does the n900 have a sip client? |
| 22:22.22 | SpeedEvil | lardman: yes. |
| 22:22.27 | lardman | hmm, interesting |
| 22:22.29 | cehteh | you must control the current, not the voltage |
| 22:22.46 | SpeedEvil | lardman: in all but the situations where you've read the datasheets extremely carefully, and done all the sums to ensure that it's safe. |
| 22:23.10 | SpeedEvil | (or if you don't care if it dies in a few mins) |
| 22:23.23 | cehteh | the chip can do up to 820ms flashes ... |
| 22:23.32 | cehteh | mhm better dont try :) |
| 22:23.43 | SpeedEvil | IIRC a limit at 500 in the driver |
| 22:23.48 | Scummer | finally.. modest is compiling.. |
| 22:24.00 | SpeedEvil | but there is a sepearte torch mode that is quite bright enough |
| 22:24.10 | cehteh | even 500ms are a long time to build up heat on such small things |
| 22:24.11 | Scummer | what a pain in the nuts |
| 22:24.13 | SpeedEvil | Especially for short range flash/constant flashlight |
| 22:24.33 | lardman | anyone else, is there an e.g. GDK fn to turn an RGB pixbuf into a greyscale one? |
| 22:24.40 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: you read the datasheet now .. then you discover the 3rd dimmed mode |
| 22:24.54 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I don't recall it being implemented in the driver. |
| 22:25.02 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: but I could have skimmed over it |
| 22:25.04 | cehteh | page 14 |
| 22:25.17 | cehteh | yeah maybe the driver can be hacked a bit :) |
| 22:26.59 | cehteh | too bad that it cant be pwm controlled |
| 22:27.45 | SpeedEvil | you can't pwm with a rolling shutter camera, for obvious reasons |
| 22:28.15 | Scummer | a dark pic or two.. no one would notice :) |
| 22:28.21 | VDVsx | installs 12 offscr's apps in his N900 and fells again like a iPhone user :) |
| 22:28.22 | pupnik | what is this LED discussion for? |
| 22:28.24 | nomis | lardman: I am unaware of such a function. |
| 22:28.26 | SpeedEvil | dark lines in the pics actually |
| 22:28.44 | lcuk | lardman, you can do it as part of the gstreamer |
| 22:28.45 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: there are two flash LEDs in the n900. These can also be used for flashlights. |
| 22:28.49 | lcuk | but im not sure about a specific method |
| 22:28.53 | lcuk | there probably is one tho |
| 22:28.57 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Though at lower brightness |
| 22:28.59 | Sir_Lancelot | VDVsx : whioch apps? |
| 22:29.27 | VDVsx | Sir_Lancelot, games and weird stuff,lol |
| 22:29.29 | jebba | SpeedEvil: the LCD at full brightness white screen makes better flashlite tho for sure |
| 22:29.33 | lardman | lcuk: not in gst atm, reading from file |
| 22:29.42 | lcuk | cool! |
| 22:29.43 | lardman | will just do it manually |
| 22:29.45 | SpeedEvil | jebba: it's perhaps 1/50th of the brightness at best |
| 22:29.50 | lcuk | nods |
| 22:29.54 | nomis | lardman: you can iterate over the pixbuf data manually. It is a bit tedious, but possible. |
| 22:29.57 | lardman | how's things lcuk ? |
| 22:30.01 | jebba | SpeedEvil: the LCD? |
| 22:30.06 | lardman | nomis: yep, just writing the code now |
| 22:30.10 | SpeedEvil | jebba: yes |
| 22:30.11 | lardman | thanks |
| 22:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | jebba, the LEDs are way brighter than the LCD backlight. :) |
| 22:30.31 | jebba | huh. How can you just turn on the LEDs? |
| 22:30.33 | SpeedEvil | jebba: part of that is as the light is not as focussed. |
| 22:30.39 | VDVsx | Sir_Lancelot, current list: http://pastebin.ca/1710217 |
| 22:31.00 | SpeedEvil | jebba: you open the camera file descriptor and send a ioctl(V4L2_TORCH_ON) |
| 22:31.01 | jebba | ah ay |
| 22:31.04 | SpeedEvil | or something ismilar |
| 22:31.07 | cehteh | n900 .. the most expensive torch to date :P |
| 22:31.25 | jebba | SpeedEvil: any dbus majick for something like that? |
| 22:31.40 | Sir_Lancelot | VDVsx : in 100000 light years from you |
| 22:31.51 | Sir_Lancelot | it's all foregien language to me |
| 22:31.53 | Sir_Lancelot | :D |
| 22:31.58 | SpeedEvil | jebba: well, there may be a dbus thingy for it - there is no need though. mplayer could do it if it could control arbitrary v4l2 controls - but it can't |
| 22:32.02 | nomis | lardman: ooh: gdk_pixbuf_saturate_and_pixelate() |
| 22:32.15 | Sir_Lancelot | which is the repo list for all those apps? |
| 22:32.22 | jayabharath | Does anyone know which accelerometor sensor chip is used on the N900 and is it interfaced through I2C with the OMAP? |
| 22:32.24 | VDVsx | Sir_Lancelot, blame the guys that did the descriptions |
| 22:32.27 | lcuk | VDVsx, cool! they working then now? i was wondering why we werent getting ported s60 stuff |
| 22:32.29 | VDVsx | Sir_Lancelot, ovi store |
| 22:32.37 | SpeedEvil | jayabharath: it's the lis402 IIRC - and yes |
| 22:33.05 | SpeedEvil | jayabharath: lis302 even |
| 22:33.13 | SpeedEvil | jayabharath: why? |
| 22:33.16 | lardman | nomis: couldn't work out if that would do quite what I wanted though |
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| 22:34.04 | lardman | nomis: and I still need to reduce the data to a single char per pixel, so may as well do the conversion myself I think |
| 22:34.04 | nomis | lardman: I think it should do something resembling the right thing with saturation = 0 and pixelate = False. |
| 22:34.04 | lcuk | lardman, im tired! but i had a great time with the ux people last week |
| 22:34.04 | timeless | for people curious about the flagship store |
| 22:34.04 | nomis | lardman: ah, ok. |
| 22:34.04 | timeless | the state remains unchanged |
| 22:34.18 | SpeedEvil | jay: http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726/lis302dl.htm |
| 22:34.23 | jayabharath | Speedevil: thanks for the infor... I was looking for the sensor driver...on linux-omap tree do you if src patches are upstreamed ? |
| 22:34.28 | lardman | nomis: yeah, having troubles with buffer sizes expected by decoder threads, etc., easier to just give them what they expect than change everything |
| 22:34.32 | lardman | lcuk: cool :) |
| 22:34.38 | SpeedEvil | jayabharath: dunno |
| 22:34.56 | lcuk | you wouldv found your level there simon, there were people form all areas |
| 22:34.58 | lcuk | was great |
| 22:35.01 | jayabharath | SpeedEvil: No problem .. I will look around. Thanks much for the link to the datasheet |
| 22:35.14 | nomis | lardman: as an offtopic question: have you ever seen RDS output on the N900? |
| 22:35.28 | lardman | lcuk: had work commitments, plus wasn't feeling too hot |
| 22:35.38 | SpeedEvil | jayabharath: see http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/kernel_2.6.28-20094102.3+0m5.diff.gz |
| 22:35.44 | lcuk | you oculd walk through a room and go from detailed technical discussion through design and niceties and meander past documentation through coffee and bacon and back to general stuff |
| 22:35.49 | lardman | nomis: reception? No, not tried either though |
| 22:35.56 | pupnik | is Ovi store barrier to entry for developers much higher than Palm or Apple store? |
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| 22:36.07 | jayabharath | SpeedEvil: ok.. |
| 22:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, yes. |
| 22:36.17 | lardman | lcuk: mmmm, coffee + bacon, perfect! |
| 22:36.28 | javispedro | it's bigger than Apple's, dunno about Palm. |
| 22:37.45 | jebba | lcuk: i was checking out your liq* programs today, they're rad thx :) |
| 22:37.58 | nomis | lardman: yeah, reception. The chip apparently can handle it, there is some linux driver code for that, but I am unsure if this is actually on the device. |
| 22:38.17 | nomis | at least /dev/radio1 does not spit out RDS raw data in the v4l format. |
| 22:38.18 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.54 | Mousey | awesome ar |
| 22:38.55 | Mousey | t |
| 22:39.05 | VDVsx | lcuk, I want liqSeismometer, so funny :P |
| 22:39.07 | lcuk | nomis, it spits out NOKIA! to the radio itself |
| 22:39.11 | lardman | nomis: not tried yet, sorry |
| 22:39.24 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: V4L2_CID_INDICATOR_INTENSITY ... the dim mode is supported in the driver |
| 22:39.30 | lardman | nomis: I'd certainly like to - both for radio station names and also traffic info ;) |
| 22:39.38 | lcuk | VDVsx, at the summit i was talking to mmmmm someone |
| 22:39.44 | lcuk | i forget his name |
| 22:39.49 | lcuk | tho i wrote the app with it in |
| 22:40.05 | lcuk | anyway i wrote a graphing thingy for the accelerometer |
| 22:40.16 | lcuk | just to see if it worked, its good fun :) |
| 22:40.24 | lcuk | will remember hte name soon |
| 22:40.32 | nomis | lcuk: oh, the transmitter? That is cool. |
| 22:40.33 | SpeedEvil | 18mG resolution = sucky seismometer |
| 22:40.56 | lcuk | will detect a kick in the teeth |
| 22:41.02 | lcuk | over the internet no less |
| 22:41.13 | lcuk | its good enough that if you have 3 devies on a desk |
| 22:41.19 | lcuk | and 5 people around |
| 22:41.19 | lardman | SpeedEvil: plus you need to bury it to get a signal ;) |
| 22:41.22 | lcuk | you could detect where they were sat |
| 22:41.31 | lcuk | banding the table in front of em |
| 22:41.37 | lcuk | banging |
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| 22:41.42 | lardman | not from their heart-beats? |
| 22:41.44 | lardman | ;) |
| 22:41.45 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes - banging is a somewhat different case |
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| 22:41.54 | lcuk | nahhh |
| 22:41.54 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: as you're acting like a microphone sortof |
| 22:42.12 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: the actual accelleration in that case can be quite high |
| 22:42.13 | lcuk | input mechanism lol |
| 22:42.37 | lcuk | someone said today in #maemo-ux if i double tap to zoom in |
| 22:42.38 | Scummer | the SDK doesn't have the run-standalone.sh included ? |
| 22:42.39 | lcuk | how do you zoom out |
| 22:42.47 | lcuk | it owuld be cool to tap on the back of the device ;) |
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| 22:43.35 | Scummer | man oh man... the learning curve for maemo development is steep |
| 22:43.35 | lcuk | anyway,time for me to vanish,this code wont write itself |
| 22:43.45 | lcuk | :) indeed Scummer |
| 22:44.01 | lbt | GAN900: short reply... |
| 22:44.05 | lardman | Scummer: try Symbian one day ;) |
| 22:44.11 | Scummer | :) |
| 22:45.09 | lardman | ok, school boy question, if I'm doing some manipulations on some chars, what type (or register) will be used to hold the intermediate values? |
| 22:45.26 | lardman | as I need more than 8bit res for the intermediate data |
| 22:45.29 | Scummer | the maemo.org tells me to use run-standalone.sh to test out my app.. but it's not there :? |
| 22:45.33 | derf | In C, any arithmetic promotes things to int. |
| 22:45.34 | lcuk | int |
| 22:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | Scummer, install nokia-apps. |
| 22:45.42 | lardman | cool, thanks chaps |
| 22:46.09 | Scummer | GA: thanks.. will try |
| 22:46.14 | derf | It's one of the reasons C will never have good vectorizing compilers. |
| 22:47.02 | lcuk | holy crap! dev env in scratchbox takes about 400mb |
| 22:47.03 | lardman | yes, I can see it will be problematic |
| 22:47.29 | ali1234 | lcuk: mine is at about 1.2 gb |
| 22:47.39 | lcuk | ali1234, i just did an apt upgrade tho |
| 22:47.43 | lcuk | its evil i tell you |
| 22:47.56 | derf | 400 MB is chump change. |
| 22:47.58 | lardman | are these operations promoted to int, or to native register size? |
| 22:47.59 | lcuk | on normal n900 i do 2 apt-get lines and its compilable! |
| 22:48.10 | woglinde | lcuk but tage ages |
| 22:48.10 | lardman | just out of interest |
| 22:48.11 | derf | lardman: int _is_ the native register size. |
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| 22:48.14 | ali1234 | arm toochain is 250mb |
| 22:48.17 | derf | That's what "int" means. |
| 22:48.20 | lcuk | woglinde, no |
| 22:48.23 | lardman | ok, so that's the reasoning |
| 22:48.24 | lcuk | i could be finished now |
| 22:48.30 | lcuk | the code is 4 dialogs |
| 22:48.32 | lcuk | its tiny |
| 22:48.35 | lardman | well not on a 64bit chip running a 32bit os? |
| 22:48.37 | lcuk | linked with 1 library |
| 22:48.39 | ali1234 | at least the ful CS toolchain is |
| 22:48.41 | lcuk | its not "heavy" in any sense |
| 22:48.51 | lcuk | but gives liq* apps easily |
| 22:48.54 | derf | lardman: Those have 32-bit registers. |
| 22:49.11 | javispedro | on windows amd64 int is 32 bit (lp model) |
| 22:49.13 | lardman | ah yes, they are shortened or combined |
| 22:49.15 | lcuk | woglinde, its how programming used to be :) simple |
| 22:49.23 | derf | javispedro: No. |
| 22:49.29 | derf | win64 is just p model. |
| 22:49.32 | lcuk | but then theres this whole "packaging" debacle ontop |
| 22:49.33 | derf | long is also 32-bit. |
| 22:49.34 | jaska | llp64 |
| 22:49.42 | derf | Because they are fucking insane. |
| 22:49.45 | javispedro | derf: touché. |
| 22:49.54 | jaska | backwards compatibility kludges :) |
| 22:49.59 | pupnik | ahh finally my sim card is active. agps is awesome! |
| 22:50.04 | jaska | l != p might be a bit weird tho |
| 22:50.16 | derf | jaska: Indeed, it breaks lots of software. |
| 22:50.23 | lardman | char = short = int = 16bits on TMS320, so they aren't the only ones with insanity ;) |
| 22:50.37 | derf | lardman: C55x you mean. |
| 22:50.41 | derf | C64x is also TMS320. |
| 22:50.45 | lardman | ah yes, sorry |
| 22:50.53 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: I said GAN900 b4..... I replied to the docs thread... |
| 22:51.10 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 22:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I highlight on all possible formats on all clients. ;) |
| 22:51.17 | timeless_mbp | so, sip is kinda buggy |
| 22:51.19 | ShadowJK | lardman: It's only insane if sizeof(int) is not 1 :) |
| 22:51.22 | timeless_mbp | i called my parents via sip |
| 22:51.28 | timeless_mbp | and instead of it showing that i was calling them |
| 22:51.38 | timeless_mbp | it showed me the sip url to call them |
| 22:51.39 | *** join/#maemo alsuren_ (n=alsuren@host86-129-122-254.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:51.44 | timeless_mbp | because i really need to see an incredibly long and useless url |
| 22:51.46 | *** join/#maemo bizzle (n=robertsb@24.42.244.79) |
| 22:51.56 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: I still like that your nic is CamelCase :) |
| 22:51.56 | lardman | ShadowJK: so insanity rules on most platforms then? ;) |
| 22:52.15 | ShadowJK | lardman: no |
| 22:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, meh, how many services do you know that let you use spaces? |
| 22:52.37 | lbt | timeless_mbp manages fine |
| 22:52.37 | lardman | sizeof(char)==1 ok |
| 22:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, and how many more do you know that let you use underscores? |
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| 22:52.44 | lbt | timeless_mbp manages fine |
| 22:52.47 | GeneralAntilles | s/let/don't let/ |
| 22:52.50 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: does the n900 have a sip client? |
| 22:52.52 | timeless_mbp | lbt: ? |
| 22:52.54 | bizzle | hellok, anyone have an idea why I can run a command that exists in /usr/bin as root on the n900? its intltool-update |
| 22:52.55 | GeneralAntilles | I use this nick EVERYWHERE. |
| 22:52.57 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: yes |
| 22:53.01 | lbt | :D timeless_mbp |
| 22:53.02 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, WTF does my nick have to do with the wiki? :P |
| 22:53.12 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: it's integrated into the addressbook/phone |
| 22:53.14 | lbt | though art a mere example timeless_mbp |
| 22:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, the only place I say no CamelCase is there. :) |
| 22:53.16 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: in the sdk i only see google talk in the accounts setup |
| 22:53.30 | ShadowJK | lardman: sizeof(char) is always 1, so where int is bigger than char, sizeof(int) should obviously be greater than 1 |
| 22:53.30 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: oh |
| 22:53.32 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 22:53.33 | kynky | GeneralAntilles, some ircd have nick length limits (or used too) :) |
| 22:53.37 | timeless_mbp | sdk is just a demo |
| 22:53.41 | lbt | can't be CamelCased |
| 22:53.51 | timeless_mbp | great |
| 22:53.51 | lardman | ShadowJK: yes |
| 22:53.53 | timeless_mbp | goes to file bug |
| 22:53.56 | lbt | it could have palindromic caps though.... |
| 22:54.00 | GeneralAntilles | kynky, indeed. I'm 15 characters now, some limit it there. |
| 22:54.17 | lardman | ShadowJK: though sizeof(char) = 1 and it being 16bits is rather nasty |
| 22:54.31 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 22:54.39 | timeless_mbp | does *anyone* else here have a sip account? |
| 22:54.47 | lbt | o/ timeless_mbp |
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| 22:55.35 | ShadowJK | lardman: yeah but CHAR_BITS or something is 16, right |
| 22:55.35 | derf | GeneralAntilles: http://iq.appspot.com/q/6583/21 |
| 22:55.44 | lbt | timeless_mbp: however my N900 won't even *try* and connect to wifi at the moment... |
| 22:55.54 | bizzle | .. |
| 22:55.55 | timeless_mbp | lbt: youch |
| 22:56.15 | lbt | windoze time... |
| 22:56.17 | jebba | timeless_mbp: i have a SIP acct with ekiga. And before with a number of other providers (used with asterisk) |
| 22:56.37 | lardman | ShadowJK: I guess so, the code I was porting didn't bother to check |
| 22:56.41 | ShadowJK | I,ve seen people complain the n900 sip client has not worked on networks where the n8x0 client works, with identical settings |
| 22:56.45 | timeless_mbp | jebba: you have an n900, right? |
| 22:56.57 | timeless_mbp | can you try calling an american 800 number for me? |
| 22:57.00 | lbt | mine uses sipgate |
| 22:57.02 | ShadowJK | lardman: yes, people never write portable code ;) |
| 22:57.03 | lbt | and asterisk |
| 22:57.26 | lardman | ShadowJK: so true, or they think they have, but it's not |
| 22:57.32 | jebba | timeless_mbp: yes |
| 22:57.36 | derf | C leaves too much as "implementation defined" for that to be practical. |
| 22:57.47 | Scummer | yeech.. another 50 bazillion packages to install |
| 22:58.04 | jebba | timeless_mbp: ah, not for regular termination in PSTN. But I may have some old accts still going somewhere i can dig up. |
| 22:58.06 | derf | In reality you write code for some reasonable set of hardware, and figure anyone else can fix it if it ever really becomes an issue. |
| 22:58.13 | derf | Because most of the time it'd be wasted effort. |
| 22:58.21 | lbt | oh, wait, just local asterisk... |
| 22:58.39 | *** part/#maemo edgar2 (n=edgar2@fatmama.karen.abo.fi) |
| 22:58.54 | woglinde | ~seen qwerty |
| 22:58.56 | infobot | qwerty <n=sw@89.155.232.249> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 272d 9h 58m 17s ago, saying: 'i need a good webhosting please'. |
| 22:59.03 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:59.30 | red | can i use the musicplayer in foldermode |
| 22:59.36 | bizzle | hello |
| 22:59.44 | red | not a fan of playlist files =) |
| 22:59.51 | lardman | so where is qwerty? |
| 23:00.00 | lardman | ~seen qwerty12 |
| 23:00.01 | infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 4h 36m 2s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. |
| 23:00.08 | lardman | slightly better |
| 23:00.09 | red | n900 that is |
| 23:00.09 | Arkenoi | Seems that Vultures Eye does not run after latest update :-( |
| 23:00.36 | VDVsx | ~seen qwerty12_n900 |
| 23:00.37 | infobot | qwerty12_n900 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 7h 10m 29s ago, saying: 'w00t: If it makes you happy, I have a picture of my N800, N810, and "my" N900 on a desk. Urge to kill rising?'. |
| 23:00.37 | woglinde | hm where he is |
| 23:00.44 | VDVsx | bahh |
| 23:00.47 | javispedro | Arkenoi: can you run it from terminal? |
| 23:00.51 | VDVsx | I loose |
| 23:00.57 | lardman | ah, someone's killed him then |
| 23:01.08 | Scummer | LOL |
| 23:01.24 | jkimball4 | would be nice to see maps load a little quicker .. |
| 23:01.30 | lardman | crashanddie: .....? ;) |
| 23:01.30 | Arkenoi | can't cd to /opt/vultures |
| 23:01.50 | crashanddie | lardman: ? |
| 23:01.53 | Arkenoi | it does not exist, indeed |
| 23:01.58 | *** join/#maemo Xisdibik (n=Xisdibik@dhcp-sci177-7.sfsu.edu) |
| 23:02.06 | lardman | crashanddie: just wondering if you'd killed qwerty? |
| 23:02.16 | crashanddie | I actually have an alibi |
| 23:02.24 | crashanddie | I'm in the US, and have been for two weeks |
| 23:02.26 | lardman | you know, escaping the country and all |
| 23:02.29 | lardman | hmm |
| 23:02.30 | VDVsx | suspects that lcuk did it |
| 23:02.34 | lardman | ;) |
| 23:02.42 | *** join/#maemo user_ (n=Joerg_rw@216.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com) |
| 23:02.52 | crashanddie | lardman: and even though I know I'm good, killing someone a few days after his last appearance is pretty hard |
| 23:03.07 | lardman | true |
| 23:03.16 | lardman | a whole 2 weeks! you poor thing |
| 23:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | Still can't get any packages from Ovi. |
| 23:03.25 | crashanddie | still have a week to go |
| 23:03.26 | lardman | do you want to know what's been happening in the world? |
| 23:03.41 | crashanddie | lardman: nha I'm good, I've got CNN |
| 23:03.42 | crashanddie | :D |
| 23:03.45 | lardman | lol |
| 23:03.49 | Scummer | hehe |
| 23:03.53 | lardman | they do world news? |
| 23:03.58 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, apt-get install is your friend |
| 23:03.59 | crashanddie | what world? |
| 23:04.04 | lardman | or does that just mean Alabama? |
| 23:04.10 | VDVsx | just installed a bunch of apps from there |
| 23:04.14 | crashanddie | lardman: I saw some guy in the Ukraine blew up his face with chewing gum |
| 23:04.18 | crashanddie | lardman: seems like the same old world to me |
| 23:04.21 | lardman | yeah, strange |
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| 23:04.45 | crashanddie | alabama is the capital of Europea, right? |
| 23:05.08 | lardman | no that must be Texas, Paris is there |
| 23:05.13 | Scummer | alabama.. reminds me of My Cousin Vinny |
| 23:05.20 | lardman | doh! |
| 23:05.30 | Scummer | great flick |
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| 23:06.31 | pupnik | steve martin is talented. plays great banjo |
| 23:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, why can't h-a-m find them? |
| 23:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | Urgh, it's pulling qt from d.m.n.c |
| 23:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | That can't be good. |
| 23:06.34 | jaska | demonic |
| 23:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | Can we stab the Ovi idiots to death yet? |
| 23:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 23:06.34 | lcuk | errr help, any idea why my scratchbox is trying to download i386 versions of stuff whenim selected inarmel mode |
| 23:06.38 | lcuk | or how i can fix it |
| 23:06.48 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: what is it now? |
| 23:07.04 | pupnik | never saw that lcuk |
| 23:07.07 | lardman | lcuk: you sure your targets aren't just named something other than what they are? |
| 23:07.10 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yes please :P |
| 23:07.15 | woglinde | lcuk you are in i386 mode then |
| 23:07.27 | lcuk | how do i change it |
| 23:07.34 | lardman | sb-menu |
| 23:07.35 | lcuk | supposing i had to rebuild a new target |
| 23:07.42 | Arkenoi | tries to scan 1d barcode with mbarcode, no luck. is it really that hard so most barcode reader applications are actually limited to qr-codes? |
| 23:08.06 | lcuk | sshhhhh Arkenoi |
| 23:08.09 | lardman | Arkenoi: sorry, is the barcode online or physical? |
| 23:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, somebody want to figure out what h-a-m does with user/hidden ? |
| 23:08.13 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, my list: http://pastebin.ca/1710217 |
| 23:08.46 | crashanddie | lardman: I think you need to learn to fist pump |
| 23:08.51 | crashanddie | lardman: and hit the club and all yo |
| 23:08.59 | lardman | Arkenoi: basically derf's QR code works better than the 1D code and far better than the Datamatrix code |
| 23:09.08 | lardman | crashanddie: lol |
| 23:09.19 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I'm tempted to write a pissy email to -developers. |
| 23:09.29 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: don't |
| 23:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, isn't it amazing that whenever Nokia puts together some shit behind closed doors like this they do it fucking wrong? |
| 23:10.02 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: wrong? are you an IP lawyer now? |
| 23:10.08 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, er? |
| 23:10.13 | pupnik | ovi |
| 23:10.15 | lardman | I've not received any emails, what's up? |
| 23:10.16 | crashanddie | pupnik: you missed |
| 23:10.16 | lcuk | select compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 |
| 23:10.19 | pupnik | k |
| 23:10.20 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, true, they don't listen the experts <- us ;) |
| 23:10.26 | crashanddie | lardman: working 6AM - 2AM |
| 23:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | What the hell does improper repository setups and broken control files have to do with IP? :) |
| 23:10.43 | lardman | crashanddie: ouch |
| 23:10.44 | pupnik | i missed what your prob was, sry |
| 23:10.50 | lardman | lcuk: yep and the correct rootfs too |
| 23:11.03 | lcuk | do i need a transparency method ahh where do i get that |
| 23:11.16 | crashanddie | lcuk: makeTransparent() |
| 23:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | bangs head on desk. |
| 23:11.23 | lardman | should have been installed with the rest of the debs |
| 23:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-application-manager/debian/changelog |
| 23:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, new section, who would've thunk'it? |
| 23:11.48 | lcuk | lardman i broke it today |
| 23:11.54 | GeneralAntilles | Also: turns out I don't care. |
| 23:11.54 | lcuk | and it shouldv rebuilt all this for me |
| 23:12.10 | lcuk | i got the x86 working ! |
| 23:12.40 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, try xploder, its a funny game |
| 23:12.51 | *** join/#maemo b-man17 (n=b-man17@pool-98-115-110-125.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 23:12.56 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how user/hidden handles updates. |
| 23:13.09 | GeneralAntilles | Christ, why can't we just use h-a-m for browsing the Ovi shit, again? <_< |
| 23:13.42 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, patience please, it's not released yet it seems |
| 23:13.52 | VDVsx | tech preview, hihi |
| 23:13.53 | fnordianslip | nicer conky on n900 shot: http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/screenshot04.png |
| 23:14.33 | Shapeshifter | clearly we need a conky widget |
| 23:14.35 | Shapeshifter | borderless |
| 23:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah, my optimism isn't exactly overflowing. ;) |
| 23:14.40 | Shapeshifter | sticky, non-movable |
| 23:14.45 | Scummer | why ghz and mhz? |
| 23:15.04 | Shapeshifter | forget about non-movable |
| 23:15.05 | fnordianslip | its the default conf with some font tweaks |
| 23:16.02 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, fnordianslip this is something zach did for his google summer of code on his n810 http://www.flickr.com/photos/38672658@N07/ |
| 23:16.16 | lcuk | works well inside liqbase on anything |
| 23:16.21 | lcuk | based on conky code |
| 23:16.25 | lcuk | i believe |
| 23:16.32 | fnordianslip | cool |
| 23:16.42 | Shapeshifter | nice |
| 23:17.06 | lcuk | nods |
| 23:17.17 | lcuk | its intended for multiple machine network monitoring |
| 23:17.29 | lcuk | and you can zoom into different machines and features |
| 23:18.16 | pupnik | the n900 slider feels so great when it schlocks into position :) |
| 23:18.30 | lardman | oh cock, not working |
| 23:18.39 | lardman | ~curse changing code |
| 23:18.40 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, changing code ! |
| 23:18.51 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:18.58 | Gadgetoid_iMac | cock? |
| 23:19.01 | *** join/#maemo jadams (n=jadams@68-117-250-132.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) |
| 23:19.04 | jadams | hey hey |
| 23:19.13 | lcuk | rootstrap you say |
| 23:19.16 | GeneralAntilles | Well, we've got a solution for non-user packages that need to be updated through h-a-m!!! :rolleyes: |
| 23:19.19 | lardman | Gadgetoid_iMac: just a saying |
| 23:19.20 | GeneralAntilles | user/hidden to the rescue. . . . |
| 23:19.59 | Gadgetoid_iMac | lardman: and you had me all excited |
| 23:20.08 | jadams | I'm going to be playing with wiicontrol / snes emu tonight I suppose...the n900 is wonderful :) |
| 23:20.48 | lardman | lol |
| 23:21.00 | lardman | sorry |
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| 23:21.20 | Scummer | jadams: my son was all smiles yesterday when i showed him snes on the TV with the wiimote :) |
| 23:21.59 | jadams | I'm not really sure how to go about it, but I haven't really spent any time trying yet either |
| 23:22.10 | Scummer | it was rather easy |
| 23:22.41 | Scummer | the only problem i encountered was the mappings didn't switch.. so i manually edited teh wiicontrol.py |
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| 23:22.52 | pupnik | yeah i am going to take tv cable to some relatives |
| 23:23.02 | pupnik | generate some sales |
| 23:23.14 | Scummer | of non availalbe n900's ? :) |
| 23:23.25 | Shapeshifter | I'm bored |
| 23:23.38 | Shapeshifter | I wonder if I'll see my n900 before 2010 |
| 23:23.41 | pupnik | or boring |
| 23:24.06 | Shapeshifter | very likely both |
| 23:24.11 | pupnik | are there production issues, or is demand so high? |
| 23:24.29 | Shapeshifter | fiji has the n900. |
| 23:24.43 | Scummer | no.. they are all on vacation already.. |
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| 23:24.59 | pupnik | robotron clone |
| 23:25.05 | pupnik | do-able |
| 23:25.12 | Scummer | in europe half of the year you have vacation :) |
| 23:25.18 | SmilyOrg | i ordered mine on wednesday, the status was changed to "shipped" yesterday (thu) :D |
| 23:25.25 | lardman | Scummer: It's a hard life |
| 23:25.41 | Scummer | lard: i know.. i lived it |
| 23:25.44 | Zeddy | the n900 is one bitch machine when it comes to sucking the life out of the li-on :\ |
| 23:25.53 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, they underestimated demand by a large margin is my bet. |
| 23:25.59 | pupnik | cool |
| 23:26.01 | Scummer | lard: i do miss it tho... 7 weeks vac compared to two in the US.. hurts |
| 23:26.03 | GeneralAntilles | Zeddy, broken WiFi? |
| 23:26.05 | jadams | Zeddy, meh, it beats the G1 into the ground |
| 23:26.09 | lardman | Scummer: just that the US is very bad for holidays |
| 23:26.12 | Zeddy | it does? |
| 23:26.15 | GeneralAntilles | Zeddy, 3G all day? |
| 23:26.21 | lardman | Scummer: 7 weeks!? |
| 23:26.22 | Zeddy | yeah |
| 23:26.24 | Zeddy | ofcourse |
| 23:26.25 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: I thought that as well, but I kinda started doubting that theory now that there are n900 ads everywhere |
| 23:26.28 | Zeddy | i depend on the 3g :P |
| 23:26.29 | lardman | Scummer: what did you do? |
| 23:26.29 | pupnik | two weeks is not enough downtime |
| 23:26.35 | Zeddy | otherwise i wouldn't have bought the phone |
| 23:26.37 | jadams | Zeddy, I used 3g all day and it survives a day. I didn't use 3g EVER on the G1, because it was so much less powerful/awesome, and it lasted till 5 PM |
| 23:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, the ads don't change it. |
| 23:26.43 | Scummer | lard: yep.. 6 weeks standard + 1 week something i can't remember |
| 23:26.48 | Shapeshifter | I doubt they'd do this kind of advertising for such a slick-looking product and then not expect demand |
| 23:26.52 | lardman | that's a lot of holiday |
| 23:26.54 | derf | I think I get something like 5 weeks vacation + 11 holidays. |
| 23:26.54 | Scummer | lard: i used to be an electrician in germany |
| 23:26.54 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, I really don't think they realized quite how much interest there is in a device like this. |
| 23:27.00 | derf | In the US. |
| 23:27.02 | Scummer | vacation.. not holiday |
| 23:27.07 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, well, Nokia is a big company. |
| 23:27.08 | derf | I never actually take that much. |
| 23:27.08 | Scummer | the holidays are extra |
| 23:27.18 | pupnik | yep |
| 23:27.21 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: "like this" - I think most people don't see it as a product "like this", they see it as a slick phone and want to buy it. |
| 23:27.21 | lardman | vacation doesn't mean anything |
| 23:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, whatever they see it as, Nokia didn't estimate the demand well. |
| 23:27.40 | GeneralAntilles | Thus the shortages. :) |
| 23:27.42 | pupnik | i think shapeshifter id right |
| 23:27.42 | Scummer | vacation means something when the company wants you to take them instead of paying you out |
| 23:27.45 | lardman | well that is lots of holiday, I get something like 27 days + public holidays |
| 23:28.03 | Scummer | so in '93 i was about 6 weeks in the US visiting my back then girlfriend :) |
| 23:28.08 | pupnik | that is a sane amt |
| 23:28.17 | Scummer | ah.. the good ol' times |
| 23:28.29 | lardman | move to Switzerland, they have sooo many public holidays ;) |
| 23:28.41 | Shapeshifter | lardman: we have? |
| 23:28.46 | Scummer | i'm actually landing in zuerich next thursday :) |
| 23:28.51 | lardman | afair yes ;) |
| 23:29.02 | Shapeshifter | i don't think it's as many |
| 23:29.05 | Shapeshifter | avarage |
| 23:29.28 | Shapeshifter | chrismas, new year, some christian holiday before easter, easter, and 1. of august. |
| 23:29.47 | Shapeshifter | or after easter |
| 23:29.56 | Shapeshifter | something with someone rising somewhere |
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| 23:30.23 | lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_Switzerland |
| 23:30.33 | lardman | seemed to me there were lots |
| 23:30.36 | lardman | not a bad thing though |
| 23:30.48 | Shapeshifter | well yeah, but we don't get the day off on most of these |
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| 23:30.54 | pupnik | javispedro: still awake? |
| 23:30.58 | javispedro | pupnik: yep |
| 23:31.08 | lardman | oh, I used to |
| 23:31.10 | lcuk | damn |
| 23:31.14 | lcuk | set everything to arm |
| 23:31.14 | pupnik | think you can bypass clutter somehow? |
| 23:31.17 | lardman | was long time ago though |
| 23:31.21 | lcuk | installed rootstraps and everything |
| 23:31.28 | Shapeshifter | lardman: mhhh |
| 23:31.42 | pupnik | 60 fps does sound yummy |
| 23:31.44 | Shapeshifter | lardman: where did you work / go to the pub? |
| 23:31.44 | javispedro | pupnik: probably, there's an official method, I still need to try |
| 23:31.51 | aSIMULAtor | i can't sleep |
| 23:31.53 | aSIMULAtor | good evening |
| 23:32.02 | pupnik | whaa? what is a keyword for me |
| 23:32.02 | javispedro | pupnik: you can try it already by killing the -desktop |
| 23:32.04 | lardman | I lived in Baden |
| 23:32.06 | pupnik | yes |
| 23:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, clearly you've had too much sugar. :P |
| 23:32.11 | lardman | used to go out to Zuerich |
| 23:32.13 | aSIMULAtor | yeah m&ms |
| 23:32.19 | Shapeshifter | lardman: I see. |
| 23:32.24 | Scummer | rats.. now what.. do I need to start an Xserver as well to show the app ? |
| 23:33.39 | Arkenoi | Does Optima run maemo? |
| 23:34.05 | javispedro | pupnik: _HILDON_WM_ACTION_NO_TRANSITIONS |
| 23:34.10 | pupnik | wowwwww |
| 23:34.34 | pupnik | javispedro: ok, blowjobs for *someone* at Nokia |
| 23:35.06 | lardman | ok, so spot the error: |
| 23:35.08 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.08 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.08 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.16 | aSIMULAtor | rimjobs not blowjobs |
| 23:35.21 | aSIMULAtor | ok i shut up now |
| 23:35.28 | lardman | hmm |
| 23:35.43 | lardman | random outburst from aSIMULAter |
| 23:35.45 | pupnik | hint lardman? |
| 23:35.53 | crashanddie | lardman: /** TODO Documentation required here */ |
| 23:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, a RIM job would be making Blackberries, no? |
| 23:35.56 | lardman | pupnik: code crashes, somewhere in there |
| 23:35.58 | aSIMULAtor | oh if only ppl understood my darkbelly of the internets humour :P |
| 23:36.16 | lardman | crashanddie: convert from RGB pixbuf to grayscale char* array |
| 23:36.32 | crashanddie | lardman: rgbbuf length is less than i*3 + 2? |
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| 23:36.47 | javispedro | aka len*3 |
| 23:36.53 | lardman | length should be len*3 |
| 23:37.11 | pupnik | i never knew our eyes weighted green so high |
| 23:37.18 | lardman | len = gdk_pixbuf_get_width(buf) * gdk_pixbuf_get_height(buf); |
| 23:37.32 | lardman | rgbbuf = gdk_pixbuf_get_pixels(buf); fwiw |
| 23:37.42 | crashanddie | well there's your problem |
| 23:37.47 | jaska | lots of green in the plants.. guess recognizing different leaves etc was important back in the jungle etc |
| 23:38.05 | lardman | ? |
| 23:38.15 | crashanddie | dunno, just sounded right |
| 23:38.22 | lardman | :p |
| 23:38.30 | crashanddie | it's my yearly "Well there's your problem" day |
| 23:38.36 | Scummer | wow... the core dump galore is amazing when trying to start the UI-framework |
| 23:38.36 | crashanddie | been saying it all day |
| 23:38.49 | Anidel | back |
| 23:38.54 | lardman | hey |
| 23:39.01 | javispedro | lardman? pixbuf format not rgb24? |
| 23:39.02 | pupnik | lardman, no index out of bounds? |
| 23:39.12 | pupnik | i shup |
| 23:39.13 | lardman | thanks for your and derf's help earlier, fixed that problem |
| 23:39.18 | crashanddie | pupnik: C code, out of bounds doesn't exist |
| 23:39.39 | jaska | no bounds, omnipotent :) |
| 23:39.40 | lardman | javispedro: I'll check, but it should be |
| 23:39.54 | lardman | pupnik: even then it should be ok as it's only reading |
| 23:40.23 | javispedro | well, reading can crash sometimes, but probably not there |
| 23:40.47 | crashanddie | lardman: comment out the line, just create three separate lines, and access rgbuff[i*3], rgbuff[i*3 + 1] and rgbuff [i*3+2] separately and see where it crashes |
| 23:41.01 | pupnik | bleh |
| 23:41.16 | crashanddie | lardman: what's the length of greybuf? |
| 23:41.24 | lardman | crashanddie: yeah, was just hoping I'd missed something obvious |
| 23:41.37 | lardman | greybuf = (char *)malloc(sizeof(char)*len); |
| 23:41.52 | crashanddie | err, wut? |
| 23:41.54 | crashanddie | oh |
| 23:41.57 | pupnik | and the data is unsigned for >>8? |
| 23:42.08 | pupnik | ah |
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| 23:43.07 | pupnik | ay, our eyes *are* more sensitive around green |
| 23:43.09 | javispedro | does it crash when i is approx. len/2 |
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| 23:43.19 | lardman | no idea |
| 23:43.33 | lardman | though I can add a fprintf in there to check |
| 23:43.47 | derf | lardman: http://developer.gimp.org/api/2.0/gdk-pixbuf/gdk-pixbuf-gdk-pixbuf.html#image-data |
| 23:44.19 | lardman | hmm, packed |
| 23:44.29 | lardman | and padded |
| 23:44.43 | lardman | nevertheless, it shouldn't make the code crash, just the image wrong |
| 23:45.17 | crashanddie | pupnik: this is not JAVA |
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| 23:45.21 | derf | Assuming that n_channels really is at least 3. |
| 23:45.26 | crashanddie | woops -- scroll up fail |
| 23:45.28 | derf | And that rowstride is positive. |
| 23:45.34 | crashanddie | pupnik: ignore previous line |
| 23:45.45 | lardman | rowstride must be posisitve |
| 23:45.51 | lardman | or even positive |
| 23:46.07 | lardman | channels = 3, bpp = 8 |
| 23:46.12 | crashanddie | lardman -- the only man on earth who stutteteteteterts with a keyboard |
| 23:46.19 | javispedro | it could make the code crash |
| 23:46.21 | lardman | iniindeeed |
| 23:47.25 | lardman | s/bpp/bits per sample (aka colour channel) |
| 23:48.04 | lardman | javispedro: even if the data is rubbish, it will be coerced into the char and that will be it |
| 23:48.56 | javispedro | lardman: nah, if it's 8 bits per color channel I am shutting up :) |
| 23:49.21 | javispedro | though I think RGB24 is uncommon but hey |
| 23:49.37 | Gadgetoid | 3.5 bits |
| 23:49.41 | lardman | seems to be how gdk likes it |
| 23:49.49 | javispedro | the docs say it likes RGB32 |
| 23:50.03 | javispedro | (aka 4 channels, 32 bits per pixel) |
| 23:50.12 | lardman | no alpha here though |
| 23:51.00 | lardman | hmm, I think the problem might be with freeing my buffer actually |
| 23:51.12 | javispedro | so you didn't know where it crashed? :P |
| 23:51.29 | lardman | I knew it crashed in that loop or the line after |
| 23:51.33 | lardman | ;p |
| 23:52.02 | lardman | debugging applications on Maemo is a pita as you can't start them from the command line |
| 23:52.16 | lardman | my apologies |
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| 23:52.30 | javispedro | you mostly can I think |
| 23:52.34 | javispedro | which one is this? |
| 23:52.38 | lardman | mbarcode |
| 23:52.42 | lardman | uses dbus |
| 23:52.57 | lardman | so gets killed if you start from the command line |
| 23:53.12 | lardman | I think that's the reason anyway |
| 23:53.33 | javispedro | sounds weird. I've debugged the entire hildon-desktop on the device |
| 23:53.48 | ali1234 | are you starting it as root or user? |
| 23:54.08 | lardman | osso_initialize() fails for me if I don't start from the icon |
| 23:54.12 | lardman | user |
| 23:54.30 | ali1234 | hmm |
| 23:54.32 | pupnik | i was juat playing some mame from command line on n900 |
| 23:55.01 | pupnik | words. so easily misunderstood |
| 23:55.13 | pupnik | ahh |
