| 00:00.05 | VDVsx | GAN900, it's a bit odd that no one speaks English in the security crew, at least basic English |
| 00:00.31 | wazd | VDVsx: I don't even know what company it is |
| 00:00.44 | javispedro | GAN900: I'm used to having to leave my belt and .. my glasses. and the guy found nothing hilarious about the situation. |
| 00:00.56 | wazd | VDVsx: "Some UX persons inc."? :D |
| 00:00.59 | VDVsx | GAN900, I had to help one of the girls because she had some big boots and the lady asked her to remove them in Spanish of course |
| 00:01.11 | GAN900 | VDVsx, well, the same is frequently true in the US. :D |
| 00:01.12 | VDVsx | wazd, aSIMULAter company :P |
| 00:01.26 | kevloral | VDVsx: well, I bet the security people there barely spoke... any language. It's not like they are the brightest people, you know. |
| 00:01.37 | VDVsx | kevloral, lol |
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| 00:01.57 | GAN900 | Lots of latins work for TSA. |
| 00:02.25 | VDVsx | kevloral, i bet they keep saying the same words all the time, not to dificult to 'fix' some at least :p |
| 00:02.37 | VDVsx | s/to/too/ |
| 00:03.19 | GAN900 | VDVsx, I ended up a T2 at first |
| 00:03.40 | mikhas | eheheh, T2 .... =) |
| 00:03.46 | ali1234 | damn it the youtube upload failed |
| 00:03.52 | GAN900 | Managed to get to the gate just as my zone started boarding. |
| 00:04.33 | jebba | man, long fkn process to get something built for extras-devel |
| 00:04.39 | GAN900 | mikhas, looked at the board and thought "this can't be right" |
| 00:05.41 | mikhas | and the t1<->t2 shuttle takes a while, too ... |
| 00:06.19 | mikhas | onto the motorway, off the motorway, onto ..., off ... |
| 00:06.53 | wazd | VDVsx: aaaaaaaaah :) |
| 00:07.03 | wazd | VDVsx: still don't know it :D |
| 00:07.09 | javispedro | they're not used to it, the airport has been nearly doubled in size in the last year |
| 00:07.41 | GAN900 | mikhas, I was "ohshitohshitoshit" for more of the shuttle ride |
| 00:07.53 | GAN900 | s/more/most/ |
| 00:07.54 | VDVsx | wazd, yes, you know :p |
| 00:08.08 | *** part/#maemo decasm (n=smithde@132-174-120-2.ip.oclc.org) |
| 00:08.13 | wazd | VDVsx: aah, that fishing company? :) |
| 00:08.18 | GAN900 | javispedro, T1 sure is purty, though. |
| 00:08.22 | lardman | bed time |
| 00:08.23 | VDVsx | wazd, lol |
| 00:08.24 | lardman | night all |
| 00:08.28 | javispedro | gnite lardman |
| 00:08.29 | wazd | lardman: cya |
| 00:09.43 | VDVsx | javispedro, t1 is very big, but was almost empty |
| 00:09.50 | GAN900 | javispedro, by the way, really glad you got a device. |
| 00:09.52 | VDVsx | should be very different in the summer |
| 00:09.58 | javispedro | GAN900: thanks! |
| 00:10.02 | GAN900 | Now we just need to get wazd buffed out. |
| 00:10.06 | javispedro | yeah |
| 00:10.36 | wazd | GAN900: hah, nice joke :D |
| 00:11.05 | GAN900 | VDVsx, I thought it was funny how all the UI people who were supposed to be available to help were all clustered up at the one table on Fri. |
| 00:11.33 | GAN900 | wazd, no joke, there was talk of donation funds bouncing around. |
| 00:11.53 | GAN900 | (buffed, not rubbed, by the way. :P) |
| 00:12.05 | VDVsx | GAN900, yeah, but I can't complain at least :) |
| 00:12.53 | lcuk | GAN900, on friday it was concepting stuff wasnt it, i ended up with 3 tiny things, did you see all the stuff from the video editor? |
| 00:13.02 | GAN900 | VDVsx, things really picked up after the ice was broken but it gave me a good chuckle. |
| 00:13.06 | lcuk | there were page after page of layouts and ideas |
| 00:13.15 | GAN900 | lcuk, hahah |
| 00:13.23 | GAN900 | lcuk, that's too bad |
| 00:13.43 | GAN900 | contributed a few pages for zaheerm. |
| 00:13.56 | jebba | is the build box running on an N900? |
| 00:13.57 | VDVsx | too |
| 00:14.00 | javispedro | as I told twice, I was basically alone in my concepting group :) |
| 00:14.00 | lcuk | easy to do isnt it :D |
| 00:14.09 | wazd | GAN900: I heard some rumors bout Forum.Nokia selling n900 for developers but as you can see :D |
| 00:14.33 | GAN900 | lcuk, I thought about going in the other room but thought to myself "Meh, calendar.". *g* |
| 00:14.46 | GAN900 | javispedro, excuses, excuses. |
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| 00:14.56 | javispedro | many thanks though to the UI gentlemen who tried to teach me something :) |
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| 00:15.52 | lcuk | heh javis, who was that |
| 00:16.18 | javispedro | I already forgot the names... :P :( |
| 00:16.30 | lcuk | martin grimm had the fm radio concepted over the course of a couple of days i tihnk |
| 00:17.27 | lcuk | 1:1 the pair of em seemed to be able to bounce the ideas off each other well, was one of hte great parts of the weekend to see |
| 00:17.31 | VDVsx | javispedro, watch the youtube videos, some of them are there :p |
| 00:17.44 | GAN900 | VDVsx, I'm embarassed to say I didn't realize that was yerga at dinner until I asked about the maemo.org talk. <_< |
| 00:18.04 | VDVsx | lol |
| 00:18.50 | VDVsx | javispedro, took me some time to realize from where I knew some of the faces at the ux workshop, lol |
| 00:19.12 | GAN900 | As we were wandering around I was thinking "Who is this guy?" "I should probably ask, but it's probably somebody I should know. . . ." |
| 00:19.55 | wazd | oh, fm radio was there too, nice |
| 00:20.07 | wazd | It's like I've been there by myself :D |
| 00:20.10 | Arkenoi | synced calendar with goolge (set up a new one, then it works). the contacts problem remains.. for email i used nokia messaging |
| 00:20.37 | javispedro | VDVsx: you mean the ux ones? or are there maebar videos in yt? |
| 00:20.49 | VDVsx | javispedro, http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam |
| 00:21.31 | javispedro | VDVsx: yeah, the ux ones :) saw them |
| 00:21.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | is going to set up a live podcast so you can feel with me and my suffering :-( |
| 00:21.42 | javispedro | oh, I can get names this way |
| 00:21.58 | GAN900 | I'm glad I got some opportunities to chat with daniel. Really awesome dude. |
| 00:22.23 | lcuk | +10 |
| 00:22.29 | ali1234 | zgold: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUl_eqCX_yM |
| 00:22.30 | VDVsx | GAN900, blame maemo.org avatars, we had the same problem at the airport waiting fro yerga |
| 00:22.40 | lcuk | haha |
| 00:22.48 | GAN900 | Yeah, they really should be bigger. |
| 00:22.49 | lcuk | but we had his headshot available |
| 00:22.59 | VDVsx | lcuk, true |
| 00:23.01 | GAN900 | and yours looks absolutely nothing like you by the way. :P |
| 00:23.05 | VDVsx | with a strange hat |
| 00:23.13 | lcuk | GAN900, whos? |
| 00:23.20 | GAN900 | VDVsx's |
| 00:23.33 | lcuk | heh imagine my surprise when i met javis |
| 00:23.34 | VDVsx | i'm prettier I know :P |
| 00:23.39 | GAN900 | Ehehe |
| 00:23.53 | javispedro | recognized lcuk though |
| 00:23.58 | xorAxAx | hrw|gone: you mean opensync 0.39? thats considered unstable |
| 00:24.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh, N900 cam has a natural gift to take scary pasport portraits |
| 00:24.03 | javispedro | even though I had my doubts firstly :) |
| 00:24.07 | lcuk | i would really like to use maemo.org avatars for contacts and meetups and chat |
| 00:24.22 | VDVsx | javispedro, did you recognized me too ? |
| 00:24.32 | GAN900 | lcuk, yeah, I totally wouldn't have placed him except for the weird looks he was giving me across the table Friday morning. :D |
| 00:24.32 | javispedro | VDVsx: nope |
| 00:24.35 | VDVsx | eheh |
| 00:24.37 | lcuk | had to ask before i kicked ur ass |
| 00:24.43 | javispedro | VDVsx: even though don't change your avatar, it looks cool :) |
| 00:24.53 | javispedro | s/even though/but |
| 00:24.58 | GAN900 | javispedro, he just has to open his mouth. :D |
| 00:25.07 | VDVsx | lol |
| 00:25.21 | GAN900 | lcuk, we need to get a badge format for all events. |
| 00:25.22 | javispedro | hehe |
| 00:25.31 | lcuk | we have n900s |
| 00:25.32 | GAN900 | Based in the Summit 2009 one. |
| 00:25.41 | lcuk | lanyards and barcodes |
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| 00:26.07 | GAN900 | I kept getting "Yes, I know"'s when I introduced myself to people. |
| 00:26.11 | VDVsx | javispedro, so you spot my name in the badge ? |
| 00:26.15 | lcuk | haha |
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| 00:26.25 | GAN900 | So I think my avatar is pretty good. :D |
| 00:26.33 | javispedro | VDVsx: I don't remember, how we met? :P |
| 00:26.36 | javispedro | hehe |
| 00:26.38 | javispedro | GAN900: agreed |
| 00:26.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | feels like getting a spae back cover and W spare stylii eventually |
| 00:26.53 | GAN900 | VDVsx, I hardly got any names from the tiny ass bad text. |
| 00:27.01 | VDVsx | javispedro, you talked to me at the breakfast |
| 00:27.27 | javispedro | ah |
| 00:27.40 | GAN900 | You should be able to read those things inconspicuously so you can look like a super badass knowing everybody. :D |
| 00:27.56 | VDVsx | lol, true |
| 00:28.11 | GAN900 | Dave and conny I recognized right off at breakfast |
| 00:28.18 | GAN900 | Same with Gary |
| 00:28.24 | VDVsx | the summit ones were pretty good for that |
| 00:28.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900, nearfield RF |
| 00:28.59 | javispedro | VDVsx: iirc your face ringed a bell so I had a look at your badge |
| 00:29.07 | lcuk | adhoc wifi |
| 00:29.18 | GAN900 | David was also very identifiable |
| 00:29.22 | GAN900 | as was Quim |
| 00:29.31 | lcuk | know whos in the room with a recent pic downloaded from local device |
| 00:29.45 | GAN900 | danielwilms I wouldn't have placed had Mary not introduced him. |
| 00:30.02 | GAN900 | RevdKathy was wearing a freaking bear sweater, so no issue there. |
| 00:30.07 | VDVsx | GAN900, yeah, the avatars pic is very different |
| 00:30.09 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 00:30.19 | GAN900 | RevdKathy was wearing a freaking bear sweater, so no issue there. |
| 00:30.30 | GAN900 | zoops |
| 00:30.42 | GAN900 | Martin I didn't connect for a while. |
| 00:31.09 | Arkenoi | nokia customer support navigation on the web site is pure schizophrenic crap. trying to find where i do report problems with nokia messaging, it is non-obvious to say the least |
| 00:31.17 | prometoys | hi, what is the device name of the n900 in linux, if I connect it as a modem (pc suite mode) |
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| 00:31.29 | GAN900 | Sebastian I knew as soon as he pulled out that freaking 770. :D |
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| 00:32.12 | VDVsx | GAN900, me neither, but I read his badge and introduced myself :P , never saw Martin's pic IIRC |
| 00:32.31 | GAN900 | Yeah, nor I. |
| 00:32.46 | GAN900 | anidel was really obvious. |
| 00:33.47 | VDVsx | not for me at the summit |
| 00:33.59 | javispedro | i missed xournal's session though :( got pulled into the formation track because somehow I ended up helping someone fix his sbox problems :) |
| 00:34.09 | VDVsx | eheh |
| 00:34.21 | GAN900 | lol |
| 00:35.48 | GAN900 | Victor and Vicky were awesome to have around. |
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| 00:36.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | prometoys, nokia-n900-xx-yy? |
| 00:36.50 | VDVsx | GAN900, ehehe, I've a friend a BCN that studies in the same university, he did some promotion of the event for me, but victor and vicky already knew about the event |
| 00:37.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | prometoys, dunno, never iused pc-suite |
| 00:37.13 | prometoys | DocScrutinizer51: oh, sorry. I mean on a linux host, not the hostname of the n900 :) |
| 00:37.14 | prometoys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.23 | VDVsx | GAN900, my friend got the "A flue", bahh |
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| 00:37.33 | javispedro | haha |
| 00:37.42 | javispedro | they're going to close my uni now |
| 00:37.49 | VDVsx | ouch |
| 00:38.02 | javispedro | na, not yet :) |
| 00:38.07 | GAN900 | VDVsx, between you, andy80, and Victor I practically didn't have to worry about anything. |
| 00:38.10 | javispedro | but you don't know much they fear h1n1 here |
| 00:38.13 | GAN900 | It was perfect. :D |
| 00:38.25 | jebba | ok, so irssi took 25 minutes to build on Nokia's build server. It took 1 minute 22 seconds on my laptop. This means it might take up to four hours to build my package (just the ARM version--another 4 hours for x86). Plus queue time. Hmm. And if there is one error? Yay, get to start over. |
| 00:38.33 | Arkenoi | why does MfE set up "mail for exchange" email folder even if i *do not* sync email? |
| 00:38.36 | GAN900 | I didn't see much evidence on this trip. |
| 00:38.57 | VDVsx | GAN900, we had some cleaning 'gel' at the hotel |
| 00:39.10 | javispedro | jebba: maemo.org 's server, and then it spends most of the time installing build-deps |
| 00:39.10 | VDVsx | I didn't use it :P |
| 00:39.17 | GAN900 | VDVsx, nor I. |
| 00:39.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, nokia build servers are on 286 |
| 00:39.41 | GAN900 | Oh, by the way, the two-button toilets were what I think they were for, right? |
| 00:39.41 | VDVsx | DocScrutinizer, incorrect |
| 00:39.46 | VDVsx | DocScrutinizer, 770 |
| 00:39.49 | javispedro | :) |
| 00:40.09 | jebba | installing builddeps for irssi? Most of the time just for that? hmm... builddeps should install in like seconds.... javispedro |
| 00:40.16 | VDVsx | GAN900, probably, it's normal here |
| 00:40.30 | Seulement | hm, anyone else using Tear and webchat.freenode? |
| 00:40.33 | GAN900 | VDVsx, yeah, just one "mode" over here. |
| 00:40.42 | VDVsx | to save water |
| 00:40.45 | GAN900 | and usually a lever, not a button |
| 00:40.48 | GAN900 | Indeed |
| 00:40.58 | javispedro | jebba: get a 770 and tell me if apt-get install *anything* is faster than building three, four or even five "average sized" .c files |
| 00:41.00 | ali1234 | zgold: it turns out the psx emulator for iphone is open source, and also compiles for pandora etc. so that should a) work better and b) be even easier to get running |
| 00:41.09 | GAN900 | took long American showers. :D |
| 00:42.01 | GAN900 | Ok, landing. |
| 00:42.05 | GAN900 | Later. |
| 00:42.09 | javispedro | see you |
| 00:42.15 | VDVsx | see you |
| 00:42.19 | javispedro | here, yet another ad about h1n1 prevention |
| 00:42.37 | prometoys | hi, did one of you try to use the n900 as a modem on a desktop/laptop? |
| 00:43.30 | jaem_ | prometoys, works with the N810, so I'm sure it would work |
| 00:43.36 | VDVsx | ahah they guy is funny -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpdvPdzuy6M&feature=player_embedded |
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| 00:43.58 | jaem_ | prometoys, this might be of some use: http://ffejery.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/internet-sharing-with-the-n810-or-how-to-make-a-400-wlan-adapter/ |
| 00:44.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | prometoys, me not yet |
| 00:44.53 | prometoys | jaem_, it works here for me to (n900+ubuntu via network-manager), but I just want to find out the dev path, so I can connect for AT commands |
| 00:46.04 | prometoys | anidel about n900 as modem: http://anidel.blogspot.com/2009/10/n900-as-modem-for-ubuntu-910.html |
| 00:46.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | jaem_, I wonder what N810 could possibly do to bring internet to a laptop |
| 00:46.08 | jebba | javispedro: wtf 770? |
| 00:46.35 | javispedro | jebba: rumour has garage is on a 770 =) |
| 00:46.45 | jebba | ya, but wtf is a 770? |
| 00:47.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 00:47.18 | javispedro | the original internet tablet. |
| 00:47.19 | SpeedEvil | 770 is old. |
| 00:47.21 | hardaker | what piece of broken code is deciding when to turn the keyboard light on and off? And is it in the public repo so I can fix it??? |
| 00:47.24 | jebba | ah heh |
| 00:47.25 | SpeedEvil | My brother has one |
| 00:47.30 | javispedro | as jsmanrique said, don't mess with the 770! |
| 00:47.48 | jaem_ | DocScrutinizer, I don't follow... |
| 00:48.04 | Seulement | the 770 is still a sexy steam-scifi loooking piece |
| 00:48.08 | SpeedEvil | hardaker: the LEDs are controlled by /sys/LED/*/*kb* or something |
| 00:48.11 | wiretapped | 770 FOR LIFE |
| 00:48.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | hardaker, tell me! |
| 00:48.22 | SpeedEvil | hardaker: but I diddn't find what softare runs |
| 00:48.27 | wiretapped | crosses arms |
| 00:48.29 | hardaker | just turned on/off like three times when I was entering a twitter message. |
| 00:48.57 | javispedro | VDVsx: a n900 with diablo! (that optima thing) lol |
| 00:49.06 | hardaker | wiretapped: you're just bitter because they didn't send your n900 yet. |
| 00:49.14 | Seulement | got someone locally that is selling a like-new 770 for $75...im tempted |
| 00:49.18 | hardaker | wiretapped: btw, could you see the snow on the foothills from SF? or was it only on my side? |
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| 00:49.44 | wiretapped | hardaker: i have not seen any snow recently, but i haven't looked at distant mountains either |
| 00:49.53 | Seulement | you can see the snow on the hills in San Jose |
| 00:50.09 | hardaker | there was snow this morning on the hills around fairfield/berryessa as seen from the sac area |
| 00:50.53 | Xisdibik | hardaker: there was snow on my deck this morning but it was gone by like 9:30am |
| 00:51.00 | Xisdibik | and im on the west side of the mountains in berkeley |
| 00:51.16 | hardaker | berkeley? dang, that's low. |
| 00:51.56 | Seulement | did you take a temperature reading with your nit? ;) |
| 00:52.12 | Xisdibik | hardaker: not that low, my house is at the top of the hills, ~600-900 feet |
| 00:52.49 | hardaker | ah. |
| 00:53.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, the tool is nice, but only helps to get clear tecxt .NMEA.from GPS |
| 00:54.01 | VDVsx | javispedro, its a tablet!!! I think some tmo folks are happy now ;) |
| 00:54.14 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: and cellphone positioning |
| 00:54.24 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm unsure what the multiple modes are |
| 00:55.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 00:55.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, dgoogle might help. dunno |
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| 00:56.02 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 00:56.19 | SpeedEvil | I haven't been doing much today other than failing my driving test. |
| 00:56.27 | jaem_ | SpeedEvil, lol |
| 00:56.29 | SpeedEvil | Brake caliper froze on the way. |
| 00:56.33 | jaem_ | oops |
| 00:56.53 | javispedro | VDVsx: it's a phone! or at least, the video shows a dialpad |
| 00:56.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, :-/ |
| 00:57.13 | SpeedEvil | Had to pull off the wheel, hammer lots on the caliper, which seems to have fixed temporarily, then got to the test centre exhausted. Diddn't improve from there. |
| 00:57.15 | javispedro | (with the usual fugly el-cheapo style) |
| 00:57.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, double :-/ |
| 00:58.04 | VDVsx | javispedro, only voip I think |
| 00:59.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | what? voip works great! |
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| 00:59.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | even over HSPA here |
| 01:01.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | O2 loop, to whom it may concern |
| 01:01.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | 25 bucks / month |
| 01:02.04 | Vratha | what's 25 / mo.? |
| 01:02.10 | Vratha | sorry, i can't scroll up |
| 01:02.26 | Vratha | and i'm nosy |
| 01:02.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | 5GB HSPA "flat" |
| 01:03.40 | jaem_ | DocScrutinizer, Rogers, in Canada here, pulled a Verizon, and told me that data overages were "0.3 cents" per Megabyte |
| 01:03.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm using this very momet |
| 01:03.52 | jaem_ | ...instead of 0.30 dollars |
| 01:03.55 | jaem_ | >_< |
| 01:04.07 | Vratha | ah |
| 01:04.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | old europe here XD |
| 01:04.22 | Vratha | i'm waiting for t-mo USA to release HSDPA here in the NY area |
| 01:04.24 | jaem_ | the rep was very happily informing me that I could pay for a 512MB plan, and then use 1GB of data for "only $5 more in overages" |
| 01:04.25 | Vratha | they have it in chicago |
| 01:04.42 | Vratha | but i pay $50 / mo. for 500 anytime minutes, unlimited text and web |
| 01:04.45 | jaem_ | not only was he off by two orders of magnitude on the overage fee, but he also can't multiply |
| 01:04.47 | Vratha | no contract |
| 01:04.50 | GiantTalkingCow | Old Europe? As opposed to the new one they opened earlier this year, I suppose? |
| 01:04.59 | Vratha | it's half as much as i paid on AT&T |
| 01:05.02 | jaem_ | GiantTalkingCow, yeah, new europe's all the rage these days |
| 01:05.08 | Vratha | though my t-mo connection doesn't work as well as AT&T |
| 01:05.27 | GiantTalkingCow | jaem_: Do tell. |
| 01:05.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | old europes a of double-who bush |
| 01:07.33 | SpeedEvil | is really happy with his pay-as-you-go deal. |
| 01:07.37 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile UK. |
| 01:07.49 | SpeedEvil | 20 pounds ($35 US) for 6 months of internet at 1G/mo cap |
| 01:08.01 | Xisdibik | Vratha: you pay 59.99 for that |
| 01:08.03 | SpeedEvil | And no other charges if i don't make any calls. |
| 01:08.09 | Vratha | Xisdibik: no, i pay $50 |
| 01:08.13 | Vratha | Xisdibik: they're undercharging me |
| 01:08.19 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 01:08.20 | Vratha | i just don't tell them that |
| 01:08.29 | Xisdibik | im gonna! |
| 01:08.33 | Vratha | hehehe |
| 01:08.42 | Xisdibik | even so though |
| 01:08.47 | Xisdibik | 59.99 for that is still a great deal |
| 01:08.53 | Vratha | yeah, i thought so |
| 01:08.54 | Xisdibik | for similar specs i was paying 101.xx at AT&T |
| 01:09.01 | Vratha | yeah, same here |
| 01:09.16 | Vratha | though, with AT&T, i get 3g in more places, and AT&T's 3g is 3x as fast |
| 01:09.24 | Vratha | at least in this area (about 30 mi. north of NYC) |
| 01:09.33 | Xisdibik | really? where i am i actualy tend to find Tmobiles 3g faster |
| 01:09.34 | Xisdibik | in SF |
| 01:09.43 | Xisdibik | and berkeley |
| 01:09.44 | Vratha | ah, i hear AT&T is really bad there |
| 01:09.51 | Xisdibik | too many damn Iphone users |
| 01:09.56 | Xisdibik | i swear every single person on the train ride home has one |
| 01:10.02 | Xisdibik | cept me |
| 01:10.03 | Vratha | haha, yeah |
| 01:10.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, incredible |
| 01:10.05 | Vratha | i have one |
| 01:10.17 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: surprised me. |
| 01:10.28 | Vratha | i like my iphone, but when i cancel the AT&T contract, it'll just be a nice ipod video |
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| 01:11.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, sure you own your own ass? |
| 01:11.46 | Vratha | so, when i install a new widget on my maemo device, exactly how do i place those on my desktop? |
| 01:11.50 | Vratha | they aren't showing up by default |
| 01:12.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | Vratha, RTFM? |
| 01:12.55 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I read the contract carefully - it doesn't even say no VOIP |
| 01:13.13 | Vratha | DocScrutinizer51: i did. it said not to ask you |
| 01:13.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | almost scary |
| 01:13.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | Vratha, good |
| 01:14.01 | kevloral | Vratha: Click anywhere on the Maemo desktop background. You should see a "engine" icon on the top right. Click on it. It will be shown a menu bar containing "Desktop menu" and "Done". Click on "Desktop menu". You should now see a menu with 4 buttons. Click on the "Add widget" button. |
| 01:14.40 | Vratha | kevloral: ah, i have kept trying that. the "Desktop menu" isn't responding i guess |
| 01:14.44 | Vratha | i thought i was just doing the wrong thing |
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| 01:15.10 | Vratha | maybe it has to do with the fact that i've added/removed various packages today. maybe i'll have to reboot the device |
| 01:16.26 | Vratha | oh, psh. as it shut down, i saw all the widgets that hadn't appeared |
| 01:18.36 | Vratha | ooooh, there we go |
| 01:18.41 | Vratha | a reboot fixed that menu |
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| 01:24.02 | toggles_w | ls |
| 01:25.28 | jebba | are there any alternative repos to extras-devel and such? Like ala rpmfusion, that isn't associated directly with maemo/nokia? |
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| 01:27.15 | GAN900 | Er |
| 01:27.27 | GAN900 | maemo.org isn't associated with Nokia |
| 01:27.35 | GAN900 | It's a community owned repo. |
| 01:27.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, toolsÄ |
| 01:28.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 01:30.32 | GiantTalkingCow | Isn't it? Funny, I wasn't aware of that. |
| 01:31.20 | jebba | GAN900: it's a community repo? Who owns the build boxes? |
| 01:31.50 | jebba | i just assumed it was all on nokia hardware |
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| 01:42.35 | jebba | afaict it's a community project in the same way fedora is (e.g. server hardware/infrastructure by Red Hat/Nokia) |
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| 01:51.16 | Sir_Lancelot | I'm gonna buy a N900 because of Maemo.org |
| 01:51.26 | Sir_Lancelot | it seems to be growing a lot every day now |
| 01:52.13 | Sir_Lancelot | it offers the support and new apps that no else we could get it.... |
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| 01:55.15 | jebba | oh ya, maemo.org is fantastic, no doubt. I just want it to be faster :) |
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| 01:58.35 | Gandalfimus | it's not the snappiest true .. but it works very well. I think with a few updates it will be much snappier and quicker |
| 02:00.01 | jebba | damn build failed on builder |
| 02:00.09 | jebba | well, there went 6 horus. |
| 02:00.11 | jebba | hours |
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| 02:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | maemo has crossed the line between doom and self-nourishing momentum. For sure |
| 02:03.37 | Proteous | slow dooooooommm |
| 02:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: horus is an ancient aegyptian god, no? XD |
| 02:03.57 | Proteous | the kind of doom that is slow moving and easy to avoid |
| 02:03.58 | jebba | heh ya, iirc |
| 02:04.12 | jebba | the kind of doom that just needs a few faster servers... |
| 02:04.22 | jebba | gah. dammit |
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| 02:04.44 | pwnguin | probably not good that the 2nd item on the games list is "bullshit bingo" |
| 02:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | OM is establishing it's existance on the other side of that line. regretably |
| 02:05.21 | jebba | anyway, i should have anticipated the build fail. Asterisk does something pretty atypical by default in that it goes out to Digium's servers and downloads the sound files and the build failed on this. I imagine the build server doesn't allow this. I'm not certain how to work around it either. Hmm. |
| 02:05.38 | jebba | pwnguin: ya, i was surprised to see that. Good to see the anarchist faq too heh. |
| 02:05.46 | AakashPatel | riiiicoollaaa |
| 02:06.10 | pwnguin | jebba: i liked the instructions for when you win bsbingo |
| 02:06.57 | AakashPatel | Is the Ovi store live yet on the n900? |
| 02:07.20 | AakashPatel | Oh and whoever said that the skype integration lets you make video calls |
| 02:07.22 | AakashPatel | WRONGGG |
| 02:08.36 | ali1234 | ok now where getting somewhere. psx4all is MUCH faster |
| 02:09.07 | PaulFertser | Hey guys, SpeedEvil, here's my detailed letter inquiring information about n900 hostmode capabilities: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/22757 |
| 02:09.09 | ali1234 | unfortunately the graphics are all messed up, and sound doesn't work |
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| 02:10.05 | ali1234 | PaulFertser: one thing you got to know, host mode has almost nothing to do with OTG |
| 02:10.38 | ali1234 | that is, host mode can work just fine without the OTG pull ups/fifth pin - which are just there to provide role switching capabilities |
| 02:10.51 | PaulFertser | ali1234: i know that, isn't it clear from my letter? |
| 02:11.05 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 02:11.09 | ali1234 | not really |
| 02:11.18 | PaulFertser | ali1234: please clarify |
| 02:11.28 | ali1234 | you're asking if OTG works - OTG isn't a prerequisite for host mode |
| 02:11.43 | ali1234 | except for point 0 |
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| 02:12.09 | PaulFertser | ali1234: i'm asking mostly about the hostmode. OTG would be nice to have but not mandatory. |
| 02:12.30 | PaulFertser | ali1234: probably my english is too clumsy or i shouldn't write letters at 5am but i thought it's all obvious from the letter. |
| 02:12.56 | ali1234 | i dunno, that's just what i see |
| 02:13.05 | PaulFertser | Let's see what SpeedEvil says ;) |
| 02:13.21 | pwnguin | AakashPatel: skype is available? i just see a "go to m.skype.blah and download" with no n900 offering =( |
| 02:13.30 | ali1234 | if you're going to ask difficult questions like this, you have to ask them with incedible levels of accuracy, otherwise some politician will answer only the parts he feels like answering :) |
| 02:13.50 | AakashPatel | pwnguin: On the n900? |
| 02:13.53 | AakashPatel | Its integrated |
| 02:13.55 | ali1234 | pwnguin: skype is available ootb |
| 02:14.48 | pwnguin | is it integrated with telepathy or something? |
| 02:14.50 | PaulFertser | ali1234: i hoped to get an answer from an engineer, not a politician. I wouldn't even try to ask those liers about anything :| |
| 02:15.03 | ali1234 | pwnguin: yes |
| 02:15.13 | AakashPatel | PaulFertser: ??? |
| 02:15.22 | AakashPatel | oh nvm |
| 02:15.36 | AakashPatel | We need to get facebook chat workin on thsi thing >.< |
| 02:16.33 | jebba | LOL : "Haven't you said it the last week? And the week before the last? And the week before... This is starting to look like a weird cargo cult." |
| 02:16.48 | ali1234 | PaulFertser: you might want to ask on the linux-omap lists, i know that TI engineers and nokia kernel devs are on that list. of course, it would be kind of off-topic, so you might get flamed |
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| 02:16.57 | PaulFertser | ali1234: i have 6 questions listed, none of them can be misinterpreted in a way to allow someone to answer "we do not have id pin connected, so OTG is impossible, so you better shutup". |
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| 02:17.33 | PaulFertser | ali1234: Stskeeps and Andre said they would probably take care of contacting the right guys once the questions are clearly set. |
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| 02:25.35 | GAN900 | jebba, we do. |
| 02:25.47 | GAN900 | jebba, finances the hardware and bandwidth |
| 02:25.52 | GAN900 | er, Nokia |
| 02:26.07 | GAN900 | But they don't "own" it. |
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| 02:30.25 | Sir_Lancelot | Hey Gandalfimus |
| 02:30.34 | Sir_Lancelot | :D |
| 02:31.09 | Gandalfimus | ;) |
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| 02:37.51 | jebba | hmm. Any way to do this: I send a text message to "150" with "saldo" and it gives me my balance. A shortcut on my desktop for that would be nice (e.g. with "saldo" in it too--not just the contact "name") |
| 02:38.09 | jebba | maybe some dbus foo |
| 02:38.21 | AakashPatel | hmmm |
| 02:38.24 | AakashPatel | we can run USSD codes? |
| 02:38.27 | AakashPatel | cant* |
| 02:38.46 | AakashPatel | like #646* |
| 02:38.48 | PaulFertser | AakashPatel: you can do that manually with at commands |
| 02:38.58 | AakashPatel | orly |
| 02:39.14 | AakashPatel | Do you know the command? |
| 02:39.15 | AakashPatel | Or a link |
| 02:41.04 | PaulFertser | AakashPatel: AT+CUSD=1,"*102#",15 |
| 02:41.08 | PaulFertser | AakashPatel: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 |
| 02:41.09 | povbot` | Bug 5357: Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# |
| 02:41.40 | AakashPatel | whats the '15' part? |
| 02:42.02 | jebba | and how do you even send that to the phone? |
| 02:42.55 | jebba | ooooh dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$1" uint32:0 |
| 02:43.08 | AakashPatel | o.O |
| 02:43.12 | PaulFertser | jebba: no, i'm afraid that won't work. CSD is not ussd |
| 02:44.11 | PaulFertser | jebba: nokia decided to use a proprietary telephony stack, i'm not even sure if api docs are available. So you're on your own until ofono is ready. For more details please read the ticket. ;) |
| 02:44.32 | jebba | PaulFertser: what won't work= |
| 02:44.33 | jebba | ? |
| 02:44.37 | AakashPatel | 'AT' |
| 02:44.44 | AakashPatel | command not found :) |
| 02:45.15 | PaulFertser | AakashPatel: 15 is the "language parameter", most probably can be omitted. |
| 02:45.23 | AakashPatel | Ah |
| 02:45.38 | jebba | PaulFertser: the above works for making calls. Not sure about the # part of it though as I dont have a number to call with that |
| 02:46.22 | AakashPatel | On AT&T it lets me check my mins and data usage |
| 02:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: can you please translate the website #5357 refers to? I have no idea *how* to talk to modem directly |
| 02:47.08 | Sir_Lancelot | anyone here thinking about developing an equalizer for N900? |
| 02:47.09 | Sir_Lancelot | :P |
| 02:47.21 | AakashPatel | I think it just uses a buncha "at" commands |
| 02:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | Sir_Lancelot: should integrate into whatever player for mp3 you use |
| 02:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | Sir_Lancelot: (though I'm not sure there might be ALSA controls for usual bass/teble adjustment in soundchip) |
| 02:48.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i've no idea as well except connecting it to a PC where it should provide cdc_acm interface i think. |
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| 02:48.46 | jebba | AakashPatel: try running this: |
| 02:48.57 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | AakashPatel: that's been to me? sure it uses AT. but *which* ttySx?? |
| 02:49.17 | AakashPatel | what jebba said i guess lol |
| 02:49.42 | AakashPatel | thats a shit load to copy paste haha |
| 02:49.48 | AakashPatel | by hand D: |
| 02:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: you're incredible - I toldya yet? |
| 02:50.27 | PaulFertser | AakashPatel: i think it won't work anyway. You can initiate a call this way but not a ussd request. |
| 02:50.38 | AakashPatel | ah hmm |
| 02:51.39 | jebba | AakashPatel: try it. |
| 02:51.53 | AakashPatel | I dont wanna type it thoug hahah |
| 02:52.09 | jebba | cut and paste it? want me to mail it to your fone or something heh |
| 02:52.15 | AakashPatel | sure lol |
| 02:52.17 | AakashPatel | aakashbpatel |
| 02:52.22 | jebba | @gmail? |
| 02:52.25 | AakashPatel | yeah |
| 02:52.29 | jebba | 1 sec |
| 02:53.08 | AakashPatel | k |
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| 02:55.30 | jebba | AakashPatel: sent. I even did it as an attached shell script ;) |
| 02:55.36 | AakashPatel | haha thanks |
| 02:56.17 | AakashPatel | eh...still no emailz |
| 02:56.51 | AakashPatel | yay |
| 02:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: s/*/*/ |
| 02:59.13 | jebba | ? |
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| 02:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | not going to investigate further today. Still good to get your remarks, so I know what to do tomorrow |
| 03:00.17 | jebba | s/*/*/ is nothign. |
| 03:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-12-08 03:50:13] <DocScrutinizer> jebba: you're incredible - I toldya yet? |
| 03:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | better? |
| 03:00.33 | jebba | ahhaha |
| 03:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | gn8 |
| 03:01.42 | AakashPatel | lawl wtf |
| 03:01.49 | AakashPatel | i saved it in Documents |
| 03:01.56 | AakashPatel | but its not in there |
| 03:01.59 | AakashPatel | plugs in his phoen to his comp |
| 03:02.20 | jebba | nite |
| 03:02.45 | AakashPatel | why does hte phone have Mac OS folder? |
| 03:04.37 | AakashPatel | jebba: all that does is launch the phone app |
| 03:04.42 | AakashPatel | and call that number |
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| 03:07.39 | microlith | woohoo |
| 03:07.45 | microlith | newegg order confirmation on my N900 |
| 03:08.06 | jebba | :) |
| 03:08.12 | AakashPatel | sweet microlith |
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| 03:08.57 | microlith | I only hope it arrives within the next week |
| 03:10.07 | AakashPatel | Lol i ordered from nokia on sunday, shipped monday, arrived tuesday |
| 03:10.18 | microlith | which I was hoping to happen |
| 03:10.22 | microlith | but alas... |
| 03:12.13 | AakashPatel | on the rebate they have |
| 03:12.20 | AakashPatel | you have toactivate the ovi store on the device |
| 03:12.27 | AakashPatel | but ovi store doesnt exist yet for it :| |
| 03:14.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | freaking. charges for >1h now. bat was at 95% |
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| 03:15.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, chartging LiIon is real fun |
| 03:17.27 | microlith | for now |
| 03:17.33 | microlith | time to replace my aspire one's fan |
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| 03:20.12 | jebba | weird. ofono builds fine in fedora 12 fine, but not in scratchbox. dang. |
| 03:20.17 | fredrin | what's up? |
| 03:20.24 | Vratha | hmm |
| 03:20.34 | fredrin | everytihng good with the n900 these days |
| 03:20.45 | Vratha | someone yesterday was asking this, but is there a command-line maemo app for sending/receiving SMSes? |
| 03:21.00 | fredrin | would smstools3 work? |
| 03:21.12 | Vratha | fredrin: well, front-facing video camera doesn't work with skype yet, and assisted GPS isn't working for me where i am |
| 03:21.14 | fredrin | exist for the freerunner |
| 03:21.21 | Vratha | fredrin: hmm, probably quite nicely. i'll check it out |
| 03:21.43 | ShadowJK | doc: I suspect it's a bit random about when/where it says battery full :) |
| 03:22.01 | fredrin | Vratha: did not know that there was a plan to make the front camera work with skype |
| 03:22.03 | fredrin | that's sweet |
| 03:22.16 | jebba | hmm. think it's make 3.80 v 3.81 issue |
| 03:22.32 | fredrin | hopefully both cams in the long run |
| 03:22.37 | Vratha | fredrin: well, i don't know if there is a plan for that. but it'd be nice to use it for some sort of video conferencing |
| 03:22.50 | fredrin | or at parties |
| 03:23.00 | fredrin | ;D |
| 03:23.05 | fredrin | with girls |
| 03:23.06 | Vratha | or for sex calls with your significant other :-D |
| 03:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: end of charging is detected by charge curerent falling below a certain threshold |
| 03:23.22 | fredrin | i'll make a payperview |
| 03:23.25 | Vratha | haha |
| 03:23.57 | fredrin | docscrutinizer: not in bed yet? |
| 03:24.01 | fredrin | I'm just woke up... |
| 03:24.05 | fredrin | skipped a day.... |
| 03:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | depending in actual circuit (maybe moden is fed directly by battery) and setup of this threshold, end-of-charge detection might take quite a time |
| 03:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | fredrin: seems I never really sleep ;-) |
| 03:24.46 | fredrin | not with the 900 in your hands |
| 03:24.49 | Vratha | i noticed my n900 really likes to suck down the battery |
| 03:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | take a light nap sometimes - or fall inconcious |
| 03:25.04 | fredrin | 0clock |
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| 03:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 03:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | kinda |
| 03:25.29 | fredrin | heheh |
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| 03:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | (might take quite a time) or sometimes never is detected at all, slowly charging battery to nirvany |
| 03:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | s/ny/na/ |
| 03:27.28 | jebba | needed to build libmm-dev to build package for smstools. But it all appears to build no problem. |
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| 03:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | (bat charge) see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 03:29.27 | jebba | building for ARM... |
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| 03:34.52 | fredrin | jebba: kool |
| 03:35.45 | fredrin | neh, play some quakelive |
| 03:35.47 | Vratha | fredrin: is smstools in the Extras-devel or something? |
| 03:35.56 | fredrin | dont know |
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| 03:36.01 | Vratha | fredrin: i don't see it, and i'm using Extras and Extras-testing |
| 03:36.02 | fredrin | i don't have a n900 yet :( |
| 03:36.02 | Vratha | okay |
| 03:36.04 | Vratha | ah |
| 03:36.10 | fredrin | working on getting the money |
| 03:36.27 | fredrin | but it should be imho :) |
| 03:36.56 | fredrin | i guess it could be used for many cool things |
| 03:37.03 | redeeman | just logged 11 bugs :) |
| 03:37.55 | fredrin | respect |
| 03:38.52 | redeeman | i just hope nokia looks at them |
| 03:40.53 | simula_ | dang, anybody know a shortcut to allowing me to run shell scripts in MyDocs? |
| 03:41.20 | simula_ | i have already changed my fstab to remove noexec (and the script that was wiping my changes to fstab) |
| 03:41.20 | Vratha | i have to say, i love the Sheevaplug |
| 03:41.34 | Vratha | it just replaced my previous low power network server that had a fan in it |
| 03:41.49 | simula_ | sheevaplug does look cool |
| 03:41.53 | Vratha | but this is smaller and uses 1/4 the power of even that, and it has no fan! |
| 03:42.14 | Vratha | and i have the cutest 4 gb usb flash drive hooked into the back of it.... some really small pny drive |
| 03:42.19 | Vratha | simula_: yeah, it's very sleek |
| 03:42.29 | jebba | hmm, debconf is broken |
| 03:42.33 | Vratha | only annoying thing is they haven't dropped the price yet, and it's been out there for months |
| 03:42.49 | Vratha | and i may want to buy another one, and they don't have wifi built in yet |
| 03:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | just stopped counting on 15 non-ticketed bugs / flaws |
| 03:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | I know I'm a lazy idiot ;-/ |
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| 03:43.41 | Vratha | DocScrutinizer: you talking about the openmoko? |
| 03:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 03:43.50 | DocScrutinizer | N900 |
| 03:44.02 | Vratha | DocScrutinizer: oh, you have found that many bugs? i've noticed quite a few as well |
| 03:44.22 | Vratha | the software definitely seems incomplete |
| 03:44.26 | jebba | WTF is this?=? |
| 03:44.27 | jebba | fakedebconf 0.0.2 Debian Configuration Management System (fake) |
| 03:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | no showstopper though, which I'm quite pleased about |
| 03:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | actually maemo5 is of amazing state of maturity |
| 03:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | kudos to the devels |
| 03:45.44 | Vratha | DocScrutinizer: yeah, no show stoppers |
| 03:46.06 | Vratha | yeah, but nokia needs to invest more heavily in that section if they want to phase out symbian |
| 03:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | the never planned to do that |
| 03:46.34 | Vratha | they need search in the email, working A-GPS (on t-mobile at least), and a few other things |
| 03:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | (phase out 60) |
| 03:46.49 | redeeman | docScrutinizer, Vratha: what kind of bugs did you find? |
| 03:46.51 | Vratha | well, they want maemo to be the flagship MID OS |
| 03:47.10 | Vratha | they also need to make it so firefox (i.e. maemo browser) doesn't crash so often |
| 03:47.12 | Vratha | hehe |
| 03:47.13 | redeeman | i really hope N900 will get maemo 6, and it will have all moved to Qt and the old stuff removed |
| 03:47.25 | redeeman | i haven't had firefox crash on it(ofcourse i've disabled flash) |
| 03:47.30 | Vratha | redeeman: i think it will. that would be kind of dick to leave us in the dust after spending all that money on it |
| 03:47.51 | redeeman | well that depends on how long it takes |
| 03:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | I don't give a sh*t about Qt vs GTK |
| 03:47.59 | Vratha | should be next year |
| 03:48.08 | simula_ | yeah.... it would be nice, but i'm not expecting maemo6 |
| 03:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | has to *work* |
| 03:48.19 | redeeman | imo the current maemo gtk wierdness is really too messy to deal with |
| 03:48.29 | redeeman | its fine for usage, but theres NO way im gonna touch it |
| 03:48.35 | redeeman | and i'd like to touch it and make it better |
| 03:48.35 | simula_ | i'm a big Qt fellar and i'm in full agreement with DocScrutinizer |
| 03:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | though for developing, probably Qt is way more fun |
| 03:49.18 | redeeman | that's also why i bought the N900, i knew it was gonna be like this, but since im just gonna do my own Qt applications, that's okay |
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| 03:50.03 | Vratha | i would like to see android running in a jvm |
| 03:50.07 | redeeman | theres some things in maemo i must say i really like |
| 03:50.18 | redeeman | for instance, the voip/phone integration, excellent |
| 03:50.23 | Vratha | oh, yeah |
| 03:50.24 | Vratha | that is nice |
| 03:50.25 | redeeman | and the way the multi-language dictionary works |
| 03:50.30 | redeeman | seriously superb compared to SE phones |
| 03:50.52 | redeeman | i had to switch constantly on my SE T700 |
| 03:50.55 | redeeman | and it was deep in a menu |
| 03:51.05 | redeeman | (English/Danish) |
| 03:51.29 | Vratha | a major thing that will help the n900 is them opening the ovi store |
| 03:51.31 | redeeman | also, on the SE, you constantly manipulate the dictionary word, on the N900 you can choose its suggestion if you want, that's very nice |
| 03:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | I like ~. period |
| 03:51.43 | Vratha | then people can start putting for-money apps up |
| 03:51.53 | Vratha | i'd take advantage of that |
| 03:51.54 | redeeman | why is it called ovi store? |
| 03:51.57 | Vratha | no clue |
| 03:51.58 | redeeman | isn't it nokia doing it? |
| 03:52.03 | redeeman | and ovi maps, that's quite weird |
| 03:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | ovi == nokia |
| 03:52.17 | redeeman | yes but why ovi then? |
| 03:52.20 | smackpotato | ovi is finnish for bargin |
| 03:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | better sound? dunno |
| 03:52.31 | jebba | uh, ok, so i have smstools3 built, installed, and the daemon is up and running, but i have no idea how to use it. WHo was it that requested this? haha |
| 03:52.36 | smackpotato | well it might be |
| 03:52.36 | redeeman | yes well that's IMO retarded to call stuff |
| 03:52.58 | jebba | Vratha: fredrin: you know how to use it? |
| 03:53.08 | redeeman | when i first saw the ovi name, i thought "wtf, some third party app store? distrust!" |
| 03:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: lol |
| 03:53.26 | Vratha | jebba: i requested it. did you just use apt-get for that? are you using extras-devel? |
| 03:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | wtf smstools3?? |
| 03:54.16 | jebba | Vratha: i built the package. I could put it in extras-devel, but it would take a month. It's not /optified either, and would have to be optified manually. |
| 03:54.18 | Vratha | DocScrutinizer: command-line SMS sender/receiver |
| 03:54.23 | jebba | (really pretty ugly how it does thigns= |
| 03:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, c..c..coo..ol |
| 03:54.38 | jebba | Vratha: i just see a daemon though, not a command line program |
| 03:54.48 | Vratha | jebba: hmm, i guess i could build myself then |
| 03:54.53 | Vratha | jebba: ah, that sucks |
| 03:55.06 | jebba | you know how it works? |
| 03:55.08 | Vratha | thought it came with some sort of apps to make it easy to pop off a quick SMS from the CLI |
| 03:55.12 | jebba | have you used it on another system? |
| 03:55.16 | Vratha | no |
| 03:55.27 | Vratha | never had a reason until now, because i have unlimited texting with my account |
| 03:56.15 | Vratha | so, if nokia doesn't release maemo 6 for the n900, won't we just be able to build it ourselves and install it? |
| 03:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | suspects some dbus call existing, to do "dbsu-send foo/gsm/sms foo/gsm/smstext="hi there" foo/gsm/smsnumber_to="123456" " |
| 03:59.13 | redeeman | Vratha: it would seem many components are closed |
| 03:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | Vratha: (maemo6) that's a rather fictional question. Answer: who knows, maybe |
| 03:59.44 | Vratha | redeeman: ah |
| 03:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | first of all: what *is* maemo6 |
| 03:59.57 | redeeman | perhaps they will do it differently with maemo6, have more open |
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| 03:59.59 | Vratha | DocScrutinizer: well, i think redeeman's answer pretty much answers the question |
| 04:00.10 | redeeman | if they do, it will certainly benefit them |
| 04:00.18 | redeeman | i would probably do lots of development on it then |
| 04:00.19 | jebba | Vratha: ah ya, has sample script: |
| 04:00.19 | jebba | sudo sh /usr/share/doc/smstools/examples/scripts/sendsms 5555555 'foo' |
| 04:00.41 | Vratha | jebba: you in the states? i can give you my number if you want to test it |
| 04:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: BEWARE!! ;-P |
| 04:01.09 | redeeman | for instance, most of the bugs i logged tonight (just did 2 more) i could have almost certainly fixed pretty quickly, and attached a patch |
| 04:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* *yawn* |
| 04:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 04:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | goes to 0clock |
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| 04:09.44 | jebba | Vratha: well, it running and such, but can't talk to /dev/ttyS0 1, 2, or 3. Which isn't exactly surprising: |
| 04:09.44 | jebba | GSM1: Could not send character A, cause: Input/output error |
| 04:10.06 | jebba | something else, even if we knew which was the modem, would have some lock on there or be interfering for sure. |
| 04:10.45 | jebba | but ya, a dbus-send way of doign it is far more "correct" than smstools ;) |
| 04:10.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, yoh |
| 04:10.53 | jebba | cuz there already exists a way to send SMS on the thing. |
| 04:11.23 | jebba | I think i even remember using a version of this program like *forever* ago (1990s), which would call us and send messages when servers crashed and such |
| 04:11.47 | jebba | ...or something similar enough... |
| 04:13.34 | derf | Nice. extras-devel is completely empty. |
| 04:14.44 | kevloral | cya all |
| 04:14.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, yaps (or similar)? yet another pager server |
| 04:15.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | derf, maemo tools was even 404 this eve |
| 04:17.10 | jebba | would be cool to have like a pastebin type site, but for .debs ;) |
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| 04:18.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, rapidshare? |
| 04:19.01 | jebba | well, that's not a repo |
| 04:19.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | or torrent |
| 04:19.29 | ali1234 | zgold: i have psx4all running now, it's a lot faster, feels like about 50% real speed. but it crashes at the first battle |
| 04:19.53 | jebba | in fact, i can't even get to rapidshare.com right now (?). If thats the site you're talking about. I've never used it i dont think. |
| 04:20.01 | smaug | timeless_mbp: "world clock" has a strange bug. It doesn't allow me to add a new entry for Helsinki, because it seems to think that the "local time" means Helsinki. But yet the local time is automatically adjusted to place where I am (CA) |
| 04:20.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, neither me |
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| 04:20.47 | jebba | smaug: i have my locality set to Buenos Aires and the world clock allowed me to add buenos aires (though they show different times, due to retarded govt!) |
| 04:20.47 | smaug | guesses that timeless_mbp might be asleep |
| 04:21.17 | zgold | ali1234: :-( |
| 04:21.17 | smaug | jebba: hmm |
| 04:21.27 | zgold | ali1234: still only half real speed? |
| 04:21.28 | smaug | I wonder what the bug is then. |
| 04:21.42 | smaug | I had to use Tallinn to get the time for Helsinki |
| 04:21.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | I have a static IP and URL, and places like people.openmoko.org/joerg |
| 04:21.56 | ali1234 | zgold: hard to say. the music still seems to play at 10% real speed but everything is quite fast |
| 04:22.08 | zgold | ali1234: so its not playable i take it :/ |
| 04:22.19 | ali1234 | it would be if it didn't crash |
| 04:22.27 | jebba | DocScrutinizer51: set up fremantle subdir, open up for uploading .debs, and run some deb cronjob that regenerates the headers :) |
| 04:22.41 | zgold | ali1234: any hunches on the cause of the crash? |
| 04:22.43 | ali1234 | it's crashing somewhere in the dynarec in some crazy asm code so i have no clue how to fix it |
| 04:22.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh. not now :-P |
| 04:23.30 | zgold | ali1234: is that something that can be tweaked, e.g. to use dynarec in different amounts? |
| 04:23.42 | zgold | ali1234: maybe its a bad bios? |
| 04:23.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, you know. I'm actually not even here anymore ;) |
| 04:24.04 | jebba | heh |
| 04:24.37 | jebba | then put a simple web interface and sanity check the files to make sure they are ARM or "all" .debs :) |
| 04:24.46 | jebba | voila done, then go to bed :) |
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| 04:24.48 | ali1234 | zgold: it could be bios related, i'm using HLE |
| 04:24.57 | ali1234 | zgold: dynarec is all or nothing |
| 04:25.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, I *am* in bed XD |
| 04:25.28 | zgold | ali1234: and i imagine without it its too slow |
| 04:25.30 | jebba | haha |
| 04:25.40 | jebba | then you can skip that step |
| 04:25.41 | ali1234 | zgold: yes it would be as slow as the other one |
| 04:26.07 | zgold | ali1234: so dynarec is a good boost, what about using gl for the RGB->YUV conversions? |
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| 04:26.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably get spanking in a moment - and that's not my favourite practics :-P |
| 04:26.41 | ali1234 | zgold: that probably wouldn't make much different |
| 04:27.14 | Arkenoi | Mortar does not work with 2-arrow keyboard as well :-( |
| 04:27.24 | zgold | ali1234: do you see any tech being used to make it play 100%? I mean its smooth on the iphone which has the same cpu, ya? |
| 04:27.26 | ali1234 | i don't think it is even using YUV, i think that was a bad printf in the other code |
| 04:27.26 | pwnguin | has a question about wifi post-connect scripting. |
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| 04:27.29 | pwnguin | is it possible? |
| 04:28.02 | ali1234 | zgold: i don't see any ff7 iphone vids... different games run different speeds... |
| 04:28.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure XD |
| 04:28.19 | zgold | ali1234: Hmmm |
| 04:28.39 | ali1234 | here is one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOlXMkL_Y4Q |
| 04:28.55 | ali1234 | fps:31 - that's the same speed i get |
| 04:28.56 | Venomrush | ff7 on n900? |
| 04:29.03 | ali1234 | Venomrush: yes |
| 04:29.37 | zgold | ali1234: the iphone one doesnt seem to crash though =P |
| 04:29.43 | ali1234 | yeah this is true |
| 04:29.46 | zgold | ali1234: wait |
| 04:29.47 | ali1234 | so it is fixable somehow |
| 04:29.49 | zgold | thats a normal iphone 3g |
| 04:29.51 | zgold | not a 3gs |
| 04:29.57 | zgold | the comments say it runs full speed on the 3gs |
| 04:30.07 | ali1234 | well |
| 04:30.12 | ali1234 | i can't explain that |
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| 04:30.30 | Venomrush | ali1234, are you porting it/ |
| 04:30.42 | zgold | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Vg8TjnTYE&fmt=18 |
| 04:30.45 | ali1234 | looks like it, yeah |
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| 04:33.28 | ali1234 | here's an interesting thing: http://pastebin.com/m738691cc |
| 04:33.35 | ali1234 | notice psx4all is only using 55% CPU |
| 04:33.42 | ali1234 | xorg and hildon are eating the rest up |
| 04:33.52 | zgold | compositing? |
| 04:33.59 | ali1234 | quite possibly |
| 04:34.17 | zgold | pulse @ 10% is also unreasonably high |
| 04:34.23 | zgold | but i sdee that too when playing normal audio |
| 04:34.40 | ali1234 | you think? it regularly goes about 20% on my P4 desktop machine |
| 04:35.05 | zgold | thats retarded |
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| 04:35.09 | zgold | alsa uses 0% cpu for me |
| 04:35.27 | ali1234 | it's using 4% now and i'm not even playing any sound |
| 04:35.38 | zgold | *shrug* |
| 04:35.42 | zgold | we need to fix X |
| 04:35.50 | zgold | what if you kill hildon-desktop? |
| 04:35.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | PA is and ever was an insane cpu hog |
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| 04:37.38 | ali1234 | yep, that made it about 20% faster |
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| 04:38.56 | zgold | ali1234: comparable to the iphone 3gs video? |
| 04:38.59 | ali1234 | yeah |
| 04:39.10 | ali1234 | sound is messed up still though |
| 04:39.20 | fredrin_ | http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-news/part-five-nokia-n900-water-test/ |
| 04:39.28 | zgold | hmm |
| 04:39.50 | zgold | ali1234: I'd still ask some of the Maemo Xorg guys about X using 20% there |
| 04:40.00 | zgold | ali1234: i knoiw some of their emails if you want |
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| 04:40.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | dong things like sqrt(a^2 +a^2 + b^2 + c^2 +d^2) on 4 muted streams, om 96k samples/s (exaggerated) |
| 04:42.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | on FR we had to kick PA as it was too heavy |
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| 04:43.40 | Sir_Lancelot | see you tomorrow guys |
| 04:43.41 | loft306 | well my device is stuck in portrait mode |
| 04:43.45 | Sir_Lancelot | [[[]]] |
| 04:43.57 | loft306 | havent rebooted yet or shutdown |
| 04:44.10 | fredrin_ | shake it? |
| 04:45.01 | loft306 | lol first thing |
| 04:46.55 | ali1234 | hmm another interesting thing: the frameskip/limiter is broken |
| 04:47.05 | zgold | ali1234: now your TOO fast? |
| 04:47.10 | ali1234 | no |
| 04:47.18 | loft306 | all i did wa-s ansawer a voice mail while in bed then it wouldnt leave peortrait mode |
| 04:47.27 | ali1234 | but i set it to skip 4/5 frames and it isn't |
| 04:48.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought there simply *is* no prortrait mode for most apps |
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| 04:49.52 | loft306 | ok got it out of portrait mode by locking it and unlocking it with the power botton and slide finger en scroeen not with the side slider that just put it back in portrait mode |
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| 04:52.16 | loft306 | did it again... rotated it to portrait to enable the phone and then closed the phone in portrait mode and it stays in portrait mode |
| 04:52.45 | loft306 | but the slider thing gets it out |
| 04:52.52 | loft306 | as above |
| 04:53.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, don,t get it. what,s in porrait mode when you close the ühone aka dialer app? |
| 04:54.24 | ali1234 | with sound disabled, pulseaudio killed, hilden-desktop stopped - i get 50 fps |
| 04:55.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | when I close dialer, there's dashboard which I never seen in portrait |
| 04:55.44 | loft306 | its in the phone if i close it there it stays in portrait and also the accelerometer seems to not kick it outta phone to landscape while in phone all of a sudden |
| 04:55.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah, killing PA is a way to reach ultimate happiness |
| 04:56.02 | zgold | ali1234: and 60fps is 100%? |
| 04:56.21 | ali1234 | 50 fps is 100% if you play the PAL version |
| 04:56.26 | zgold | Lol |
| 04:56.48 | zgold | I bet we can get that Xorg cpu down suh that we can keep hildon & PA alive =P |
| 04:56.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | loft306, sorry I can,t reproduce. Not even imagine |
| 04:57.11 | ali1234 | the thing is, it doesn't look all that much faster |
| 04:57.37 | loft306 | hehehe... dant want to its a pita |
| 04:57.38 | ali1234 | i have a feeling the fps timer is broken, along with frameskip and the rest |
| 04:58.07 | loft306 | though bounce works just fine |
| 04:58.50 | ali1234 | hmm actually that was quite a bit faster |
| 04:59.21 | ali1234 | they must have used adaptive framerate for the in game parts - that would explain it |
| 04:59.37 | loft306 | shute just rotate pione to portrail and it stays there no rotate back in landscape |
| 04:59.41 | loft306 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.58 | zgold | ali1234: that a good thing or a bad thing? |
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| 05:00.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ali1234, every decent game engine does (base on timers rather than graca framerate) |
| 05:01.02 | ali1234 | actually, the decent ones don't, usually |
| 05:01.15 | ali1234 | it's especially pointless on consoles |
| 05:01.57 | ali1234 | anyway, compositing is killing us here, for sure |
| 05:02.22 | ali1234 | can't get above 30 fps with the window manager running |
| 05:02.22 | zgold | ali1234: I'm sure where not the only ones to have this issue. Does bounce get around it? |
| 05:02.32 | ali1234 | bounce has crappy framerate :( |
| 05:02.50 | zgold | this is true |
| 05:02.51 | ali1234 | but, if i fix frameskip this should not be an issue |
| 05:03.22 | ali1234 | cos then you;re not compositing anything |
| 05:03.25 | loft306 | ok a reboot fixed it |
| 05:03.38 | ali1234 | unless you are - i don't really know how that stuff works |
| 05:05.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | ali1234, aha. so the decent games just do a t+=25ms; render frame; wait for next vsync? or what? |
| 05:08.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually that's what a videoplayer does when you don't enable frame skipping |
| 05:08.25 | ali1234 | DocScrutinizer: well, maybe not on recent games, but PS1 type stuff... |
| 05:08.35 | ali1234 | this game is 12 years old after all |
| 05:09.00 | zgold | ali1234: and its still the best game ever made =PO |
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| 05:12.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, even 12 years ago the used "adaptive framerate" as you noticed |
| 05:14.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | i.e. read out real world time and diced based on that what the next frame to render should look like |
| 05:15.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/diced/decide/ |
| 05:15.59 | ali1234 | adaptive framerate really only works if you run the engine off something like 20fps and then use prediction for the inbetween frames |
| 05:16.11 | ali1234 | otherwise the game tends to explode when you drop a frame :) |
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| 05:16.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 05:17.05 | ali1234 | i think quake 1 used 12 fps internally? |
| 05:17.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't want my games to explode |
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| 05:18.51 | cornucopic | Hey all: What Linux distros are now officially supported by Maemo? Just Debian and Ubuntu ? |
| 05:19.05 | cornucopic | for development, i.e. |
| 05:19.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | ubuntu only? |
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| 05:22.35 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: debian as well |
| 05:22.58 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: practically, you have have it on whatever distro you want - but the installer script uses apt so you need to use an apt enabled distro |
| 05:23.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | kicks 5 of 6 linux mobile devices out of the bed, waves and snoozed |
| 05:23.09 | cornucopic | sivang, mhm |
| 05:23.34 | cornucopic | sivang, so tecnically, if I modify the script for say, 'yum' it should work ? |
| 05:23.38 | sivang | cornucopic: right, that was addressed to you :) |
| 05:23.49 | cornucopic | sivang, mhm. Thanks :) |
| 05:24.04 | sivang | cornucopic: and if the package layout is the same - e.g. pulls all the needed deps and isntalls them acording to FHS |
| 05:24.12 | sivang | cornucopic: as is spec'd in debian |
| 05:24.22 | loft306 | lol DocScrutinizer51 |
| 05:24.31 | cornucopic | sivang, so its just the package installation part that is distro dependent ? |
| 05:24.32 | sivang | cornucopic: you see, some stuff are in different locations then in redhat's |
| 05:24.48 | sivang | s/then/than/ |
| 05:24.53 | cornucopic | sivang, yeah..but RedHat does confirm to the LSB, right ? |
| 05:25.07 | sivang | cornucopic: it's been years since I touched it so :) |
| 05:25.18 | cornucopic | sivang, i am out of it too .. |
| 05:25.32 | sivang | cornucopic: why do you want to use redhat ? |
| 05:25.44 | cornucopic | sivang, but i need to write this article on Maemo, so just finding out.. |
| 05:25.55 | cornucopic | sivang, i am no Redhat fanboy :) |
| 05:26.03 | sivang | cornucopic: maemo is a libapt based distro, so you'd normally be best using an libapt based distro |
| 05:26.40 | cornucopic | sivang, your pointers are greatly appreciated :) |
| 05:26.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | bah, a winmoob phone. go away as well, crap |
| 05:26.59 | sivang | cornucopic: test it and report back :) maybe it will just work with modifyingf the installer to invoke yum :) |
| 05:27.08 | sivang | cornucopic: you are most welcome |
| 05:27.37 | cornucopic | sivang, should be a fun exercise..infact i was reading a 'tweet' that this guy had got it working on Fedora.. |
| 05:27.47 | cornucopic | sivang, didn't hear back from him though.. |
| 05:28.22 | ruskie | hmm trying to roll my own posix-locales and failing miserably... stuff just keeps failing |
| 05:30.00 | sivang | cornucopic: Personally, I would prefer to use a native apt distro for that - so I could test non maemoized debs and see if I like them and then maemoize them |
| 05:30.15 | sivang | cornucopic: or borrow stuff from them to build my maemo packages. Feels more natural to me |
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| 05:30.25 | sivang | </my_opinion> |
| 05:30.58 | jebba900 | cornucopic, i use SDK on f12 64bit |
| 05:31.24 | sivang | hey jebba900 :) |
| 05:31.46 | jebba900 | hey |
| 05:32.00 | cornucopic | jebba900, mhm. have you put up the changes you needed to do somewhere ? |
| 05:32.28 | jebba900 | ya |
| 05:32.29 | sivang | is curious |
| 05:32.40 | cornucopic | jebba900, great! can I take a look ? |
| 05:32.48 | cornucopic | \me too |
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| 05:34.39 | jebba | cornucopic: sivang http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba |
| 05:34.47 | jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#SDK |
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| 05:36.01 | jebba | sivang: it uses apt in the chroot so you dont need it installed in fedora fyi |
| 05:36.47 | cornucopic | jebba, thanks. taking a look. |
| 05:41.05 | Stargazers | Hi. Anyone other had this kind of bug: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stargazers/4168563068/ |
| 05:41.26 | Stargazers | I mean those font problems |
| 05:43.03 | Stargazers | Uhm have to go at work. If anyone can know what I can do exxcept boot to fix that font bug, please hilight so I can see it from awaylog. |
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| 05:50.33 | Proteous | linux smartphones at NBLUG tomorrow: http://nblug.org/node/148 |
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| 06:04.24 | RST38h | moos |
| 06:05.04 | RST38h | "Linux netbooks have captured 32% of the global netbook market, says Jeff Orr, an analyst with consumer computer research firm ABI Research." <=== probably bullshit though |
| 06:05.06 | Proteous | time for a milking |
| 06:07.10 | ShadowJK | these are the same people that said itanium would rule the world? |
| 06:08.08 | RST38h | Dunno... |
| 06:08.37 | RST38h | But ABI sounds suspiciously like Absolute Bullshit Inside |
| 06:11.08 | arachnist | hmm |
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| 06:11.23 | ruskie | :) |
| 06:11.30 | arachnist | N900 could be sold as a netbook ;) |
| 06:11.44 | arachnist | it has the same screen resolution that the first eeepc had |
| 06:11.48 | arachnist | it has a keyboard |
| 06:11.53 | arachnist | and has more storage :> |
| 06:12.18 | hrw|gone | xorAxAx: opensync 0.39 is named 'unstable' but it is supported. 0.22 is stable but none of developers remember how it works. read http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/02/26/syncing-mobile-devices/ for more |
| 06:12.24 | hrw | morning |
| 06:12.54 | arachnist | moin |
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| 06:17.05 | jebba900 | gnite! |
| 06:18.41 | Stargazers | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=415928#post415928 |
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| 06:18.49 | Stargazers | Made in a forum topic too. |
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| 06:31.26 | loft306 | so true arachnist |
| 06:33.51 | wazd | mornin' maemo |
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| 06:34.46 | Xisdibik | evening wazd |
| 06:38.44 | RST38h | Stargazers: font corrupted. reboot. if it is still broken, reflash. |
| 06:38.49 | RST38h | ehlo, tekojo, wazd |
| 06:38.57 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 06:39.04 | loft306 | anyone else having issues with the built in gps? |
| 06:39.16 | wazd | ooh, I'm out of painkillers, I'm doomed :( |
| 06:40.21 | arachnist | wazd: get vodka |
| 06:40.29 | loft306 | whisky |
| 06:40.36 | loft306 | hehlol |
| 06:42.28 | keesj_ | my N900 charger stopped working and it looks like the contact points are to blame |
| 06:43.43 | Stargazers | RST38h: Well, can't I do that without reboot? |
| 06:43.47 | keesj_ | on the n900 side. i can still charge when i connect the device to the pc but only if ireally dont touch the cable :( |
| 06:43.48 | hrw | keesj_: in charger or in n900? |
| 06:43.53 | Stargazers | RST38h: I mean, restart some services or something like that. |
| 06:44.21 | hrw | keesj_: so microusb in n900 is broken? |
| 06:44.36 | tekojo | Morning RST38h! |
| 06:44.47 | Xisdibik | loft306: whats the issue? |
| 06:44.51 | keesj_ | not fully but it is heading that way indeed |
| 06:44.58 | hrw | crap |
| 06:45.03 | hrw | ok, have to go now |
| 06:45.10 | tekojo | keesj_ charger or N900 micro usb contacts? |
| 06:45.11 | hrw|gone | see you in 3h |
| 06:45.18 | loft306 | just havennt been able to get a lock for position |
| 06:45.53 | loft306 | with thu internal gps |
| 06:46.02 | tekojo | keesj_ need to see what can be done |
| 06:46.17 | loft306 | though that im now have a sim it i think is using network |
| 06:46.19 | RST38h | Stargazers: no. |
| 06:46.27 | Stargazers | Damn. |
| 06:46.39 | loft306 | also and getting a lock quicker |
| 06:46.44 | Stargazers | Well, I am too lazy don't want to, so it can look like that. |
| 06:46.58 | Stargazers | RST38h: Any idea what can cause that? |
| 06:48.14 | loft306 | i dunno just seamed like it was gonna take all day ot get a fix |
| 06:48.21 | keesj_ | tekojo: i will try to figure out what is really going on |
| 06:48.41 | loft306 | so gave up when i have more time to play ill look again |
| 06:49.29 | loft306 | unless im missing something in ovi maps |
| 06:50.43 | Xisdibik | loft306: i couldnt get a lock etiher way, but today it finally did |
| 06:50.46 | Xisdibik | so could just be bad luck |
| 06:51.02 | loft306 | will try a bt gps later |
| 06:51.06 | Stargazers | What is the X-server of N900 or is it X server anyway? |
| 06:51.19 | loft306 | but with bt not playing nice that should be fun |
| 06:51.24 | tekojo | loft306 you do have an internet connection on? |
| 06:51.45 | Stargazers | Oh, it is Xorg |
| 06:51.52 | loft306 | tmobile or wifi |
| 06:52.07 | Stargazers | Have to try to restart it |
| 06:52.08 | wazd | anybody can provide conversations shot please? |
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| 06:52.47 | wazd | I just need sizes, you can blur your precious messages if you want :D |
| 06:53.05 | loft306 | i got a red slash through the gps symbol on the evi maps |
| 06:53.12 | loft306 | ovi |
| 06:53.16 | tekojo | loft306 sounds strange, with net assisted gps the location should come in seconds |
| 06:53.23 | loft306 | i cheock settings and it is on |
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| 06:53.49 | wazd | ok, nm |
| 06:54.07 | RST38h | Stargazers: bad things. |
| 06:54.15 | loft306 | so i got a good mic but a screwie gsp... |
| 06:54.15 | Stargazers | Why so?= |
| 06:54.23 | loft306 | ho hum |
| 06:54.33 | Stargazers | What it can break? |
| 06:54.34 | tekojo | loft306 how about other gps software like eCoach or OSM2Go ? |
| 06:54.51 | loft306 | nothing yet |
| 06:55.07 | loft306 | will try other app see if just the ap |
| 06:55.23 | wazd | oh crap, I've lost my nokia fonts |
| 06:55.45 | loft306 | not a big loss |
| 06:55.58 | wazd | big for me :) |
| 06:55.59 | tekojo | Also check that Settings -> Location has Network positioning enabled |
| 06:56.09 | Xisdibik | loft306: where are you right now? |
| 06:56.12 | tekojo | wazd lost Nokia fonts? |
| 06:56.26 | wazd | tekojo: well, yeah :) |
| 06:56.38 | wazd | tekojo: reinstalled the system, forgot to back them up |
| 06:56.40 | loft306 | near a window |
| 06:57.21 | loft306 | crap what was i doing |
| 06:57.40 | tekojo | wazd aren't they public? |
| 06:57.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | loft306, try disabling the net assistence then start a gps app. stop. reenable net assist and start again. this helped for my GPS |
| 06:58.04 | wazd | tekojo: I got them with Tablet Video Converter, but it's archived now :( |
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| 07:00.38 | loft306 | turned off powersave and lock on dim and putting it in the window |
| 07:00.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | loft306, check GPSjinni. it's in testing or devel repository. quite helpful tool |
| 07:00.51 | wazd | ok, found it, nm :) |
| 07:01.07 | loft306 | thnx DocScrutinizer51 |
| 07:01.08 | tekojo | wazd they seem to be around |
| 07:01.37 | Xisdibik | loft306: some windows block alot of GPS signals (someone said it to me the other day here) :) |
| 07:03.09 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 07:03.30 | loft306 | heh thease arent coated with anything |
| 07:03.39 | crashanddie | everyone, please vote "No" here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36158 |
| 07:03.40 | wazd | Stskeeps: o/ |
| 07:03.45 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 07:04.07 | Flandry | 2 am here |
| 07:04.32 | tekojo | Stakeeps morning! |
| 07:04.45 | tekojo | s/Stakeeps/Stskeeps/ |
| 07:04.55 | Stargazers | crashanddie: Voted no, imho is better at least in this point that talkings are in english, even that I speak it not very well, but still my worse english is more understandable by others than very good finnish or some other language. |
| 07:04.57 | tekojo | go get coffee |
| 07:04.59 | Flandry | lol what you got against Germans |
| 07:05.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | he Stskeeps moinmoin |
| 07:05.27 | crashanddie | Flandry: I'm jewish |
| 07:05.39 | Flandry | uh huh |
| 07:05.40 | crashanddie | and I still haven't forgiven them |
| 07:05.46 | crashanddie | Flandry: just kidding :P |
| 07:06.04 | Stargazers | crashanddie: :---D |
| 07:06.11 | Stargazers | LOL |
| 07:06.24 | loft306 | haha rofl crashanddie |
| 07:06.39 | tigert | mroning |
| 07:06.39 | loft306 | but you got a merceddes? |
| 07:06.44 | Stargazers | Can I change font in menu? |
| 07:06.49 | Stargazers | I mean, menu font. |
| 07:07.23 | LinuxCode | once you start making multi-lingual forums actual useful information for everyone gets diluted |
| 07:07.24 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 07:07.37 | crashanddie | Stargazers: yeah, pretty much my opinion as well. The thing is that very valuable information can be exchanged if everyone uses, however segregating means that information is filtered through everyone's mother tongue |
| 07:07.43 | loft306 | i think info will get lost in german |
| 07:08.03 | crashanddie | and most people don't give a flying fuck about reading the english fora if they have their own little corner |
| 07:08.07 | Xisdibik | Does anyone know a good relatively inexensive Wireless Controller that works with the N900 (not the wiimote, note enough buttons clearly) |
| 07:08.13 | crashanddie | also, during summits, the only people not mixing are germans |
| 07:08.20 | LinuxCode | humans suck, they always choose the easiest path |
| 07:08.22 | crashanddie | no offense |
| 07:08.32 | LinuxCode | crashanddie, happens in any language |
| 07:08.59 | Stargazers | Surely there is some good points about different languages, because some of us just can't talk english at all. |
| 07:09.01 | crashanddie | germans are worse :P |
| 07:09.04 | Stargazers | But in those cases, well. |
| 07:09.09 | LinuxCode | finds it rude during conferences, when people start talking in their own language, when somebody stands next to them who does not |
| 07:09.16 | crashanddie | aye |
| 07:09.25 | Stargazers | LinuxCode: Ei kait siinä |
| 07:09.27 | Stargazers | ;) |
| 07:09.29 | LinuxCode | and I speak more than one language |
| 07:09.34 | Xisdibik | Your so rude Stargazers !!! j/k |
| 07:09.35 | LinuxCode | Stargazers, DIE |
| 07:09.42 | Stargazers | LinuxCode: I speak too. I can talk to you C if you want! |
| 07:09.50 | Stargazers | printf( "Yeah, baby\n" ); |
| 07:09.52 | crashanddie | ja ja, nu kunnen we ook allemaal in onze moedertaal gaan klappen, maar veel gaat dat niet helpen ;) |
| 07:09.57 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Yeah I am. |
| 07:10.05 | LinuxCode | crashanddie, haha ;-D |
| 07:10.06 | Stargazers | crashanddie: Ich habe keine panzer! wARUM! |
| 07:10.12 | Xisdibik | we should just make a universal language everyone has to learn |
| 07:10.16 | Xisdibik | and please dont make it english :) |
| 07:10.28 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Well, we should use C then. |
| 07:10.32 | LinuxCode | Xisdibik, it is English |
| 07:10.44 | Stargazers | Love is the universal language, lol. |
| 07:10.49 | Stargazers | Let's use it. |
| 07:10.50 | Xisdibik | LinuxCode: yeah, but I dont like english :P (even though its the only language i know) |
| 07:10.52 | Stargazers | ..O |
| 07:11.06 | crashanddie | Stargazers: that wasn't german ;) |
| 07:11.06 | LinuxCode | Xisdibik, get a klingon dictionary then |
| 07:11.08 | Xisdibik | slides up close to Stargazers.. HEY BAB... WAIT YOUR A GUY! |
| 07:11.09 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 07:11.15 | LinuxCode | see how that works out... |
| 07:11.16 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Yikes |
| 07:11.35 | Xisdibik | LinuxCode: im doing fine with japanese thanks ;) |
| 07:11.36 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: But I have a long hairs so you wouldn't be the first who have thought that I am female :D |
| 07:11.46 | LinuxCode | crashanddie, he came mighty close those |
| 07:11.49 | crashanddie | Xisdibik: as long as you don't start arguing that we should learn chinese, I'm fine with picking another language than English |
| 07:11.49 | Xisdibik | Stargazers: are you into metal? :p |
| 07:11.50 | Stargazers | crashanddie: Wasn't it? |
| 07:11.56 | LinuxCode | it should have been keinen! |
| 07:11.57 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Hehehe, yeah :D |
| 07:12.02 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: I listen metal much. |
| 07:12.09 | Stargazers | I am a hairy hippie, then :D |
| 07:12.13 | Xisdibik | crashanddie: im not a fan of Mandarin, or Catonese, but i dont know this "Chinese" you speak of |
| 07:12.19 | Xisdibik | Cantonese* |
| 07:12.30 | loft306 | DocScrutinizer51 Xisdibik ek im getting a lock now!! prob just needed to sit for a bit to get first lock |
| 07:12.31 | crashanddie | you understood my point |
| 07:12.40 | crashanddie | now gtfo you pedantic bod :P |
| 07:12.44 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: How did you guessed? |
| 07:12.47 | Stargazers | ;) |
| 07:12.54 | Xisdibik | loft306: probbaly, i was sitting for 16 minutes for my train in freezing weather tonight, thats why it had time for a lock |
| 07:13.03 | simula_ | kicks a can |
| 07:13.07 | Xisdibik | Stargazers: dunno, but i love metal too \m/ |
| 07:13.17 | Stargazers | Hehe, nice. What kind of? |
| 07:13.30 | Flandry | aluminum |
| 07:13.32 | Xisdibik | Power Metal and its derivatives |
| 07:13.32 | loft306 | i know with my big bt unit it took it a while for its first lock |
| 07:13.34 | Stargazers | Flandry: \o. |
| 07:13.35 | loft306 | also |
| 07:13.36 | simula_ | i finally got to the point where i can execute files on MyDocs, but my shell script is giving me problems :P |
| 07:13.37 | Stargazers | http://thxforthe.info/2008/06/14/im-a-huge-metal-fan-me-too/ |
| 07:13.50 | Flandry | what did it take simula_? |
| 07:14.00 | Flandry | did you have to change fstab? |
| 07:14.01 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Sonata Artica and Stratovarius and Dragonforce etc? |
| 07:14.14 | Xisdibik | all of those i like yes |
| 07:14.21 | Xisdibik | HammerFall is my favorite |
| 07:14.27 | Xisdibik | or one of |
| 07:14.30 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Nice, I am going to see Sonata in next year if I am alive :) |
| 07:14.40 | Flandry | oO |
| 07:14.45 | Xisdibik | 2012 isnt for a few years, you should be alive Stargazers |
| 07:14.47 | Stargazers | Hamemrfall? Well, I really love song of them "The Fallen" and "Always will be" |
| 07:14.53 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Yeah :D |
| 07:14.57 | simula_ | i had to remove the overwrite of the fstab in /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 07:15.01 | simula_ | then update fstab |
| 07:15.01 | Stargazers | But I do not believe 2012 stuff. |
| 07:15.13 | Flandry | wonders what the next doomsday is after Y2K and 2012 |
| 07:15.24 | simula_ | then i umounted MyDocs and mount -a MyDocs |
| 07:15.30 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Have you listened Rhapsody? |
| 07:15.34 | Stargazers | They have nice songs. |
| 07:15.40 | Xisdibik | Rhapsody of Fire as they are now called ;)? |
| 07:15.41 | Xisdibik | yes |
| 07:15.45 | Xisdibik | they are another one up high on my list |
| 07:15.46 | simula_ | a long term fix would be finding the script that mounts it :) |
| 07:15.47 | Flandry | simula_: Make a wiki page about it? |
| 07:15.56 | Stargazers | All right. What about Elvenking? \p/ |
| 07:16.01 | Stargazers | Heathenreel is nice album. |
| 07:16.08 | Xisdibik | dont know them :( *writes down their name* |
| 07:16.09 | sleipnir | LinuxCode: this is perfect german. germans never have only one panzer ;-) |
| 07:16.10 | Flandry | ohh Erlkonig |
| 07:16.19 | Flandry | i like that :P |
| 07:16.22 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: It is little kind different but you might like it or not. |
| 07:16.24 | simula_ | Flandry, once i get the Qt 4.6 installed on my n900 i'll definitely put up a wiki :) |
| 07:16.26 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: But Dreamtale <3 |
| 07:16.29 | Stargazers | It is power metal. |
| 07:16.32 | Stargazers | Have you ever heard? |
| 07:16.34 | Stargazers | It is excellent. |
| 07:16.37 | Xisdibik | Stargazers: i also listen ot other metal sometimes though |
| 07:16.41 | Xisdibik | dont know them either |
| 07:16.46 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: Well check it first ;) |
| 07:16.51 | LinuxCode | sleipnir, good point, he must be a collector then |
| 07:16.55 | Xisdibik | I have Children of Bodom, InFlames etc also in my collection |
| 07:16.56 | Stargazers | It is that kind of stuff. |
| 07:17.00 | Stargazers | All right. |
| 07:17.06 | Stargazers | I have In Flames too. |
| 07:17.09 | Stargazers | Have listened Bodom surely. |
| 07:17.09 | sleipnir | LinuxCode: :-) |
| 07:17.20 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: But have you heard Dark Tranquillity? |
| 07:17.23 | Xisdibik | Metal sounds really nice from my n900 |
| 07:17.27 | Xisdibik | Stargazers: yep have them |
| 07:17.29 | Stargazers | Propably best metal band. |
| 07:17.32 | Stargazers | All right, nice :) |
| 07:17.58 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: I saw them on Jyväskylä :) |
| 07:18.07 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: good questions for discussion |
| 07:18.31 | Xisdibik | Stargazers: no idea what that is.. but awesome \m/ |
| 07:18.38 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stargazers/sets/72157606045805888/ |
| 07:18.44 | Stargazers | Xisdibik: It is a city where I live. |
| 07:18.49 | Stargazers | There are some photos :) |
| 07:18.54 | Stargazers | I was very close as you can see :D |
| 07:19.13 | Xisdibik | :D |
| 07:19.16 | Xisdibik | was that taken with the n900?? |
| 07:19.35 | Stargazers | Nope, there was no even talk about N900 then. |
| 07:19.38 | Stargazers | :/ |
| 07:19.43 | Xisdibik | :/ |
| 07:19.47 | Stargazers | It was not published nor talked about it. |
| 07:19.59 | Stargazers | I didn't even knew that some day there would be so lovely machine \o |
| 07:20.10 | Xisdibik | well next concert you can take pics and upload them for us live during the concert ;) |
| 07:20.12 | Xisdibik | and take some videos |
| 07:21.30 | Stargazers | Hehe, well, have to think about it. If I take my phone on it (sometimes sooo much peoples that propably can break my phone..) |
| 07:21.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, (paulf) the mail about hostmode? |
| 07:21.44 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: yeah |
| 07:21.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 07:22.00 | Stargazers | But now gotta go o/ Have a nice day. |
| 07:22.09 | Xisdibik | Stargazers: Just tell the security you have a n900, they will clear a space around u |
| 07:22.14 | Xisdibik | later Stargazers im off to bed myself |
| 07:22.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, hope it helps to get some A from the right people |
| 07:23.31 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: a lot of nokians wish they had usb host as well so it might if there just might be a possibility for it :P |
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| 07:24.39 | Stskeeps | there's a downside though, you can't charge and usb host at same time no matter what |
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| 07:24.59 | Flandry | wait, what's the news on usb host? |
| 07:25.06 | Stskeeps | Flandry: none, just discussion |
| 07:25.09 | Stskeeps | maemo-developers@ |
| 07:25.36 | Flandry | DocScrutinizer51: i thought you had verified no possibility due to hardware |
| 07:25.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | the most important question seems: can we disable the 1k5 pulldown. And can we feed 5V to receptacle |
| 07:26.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | Flandry, nope |
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| 07:27.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, (charge + hm) almost rue |
| 07:27.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | True |
| 07:28.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, with a Yfcable you actually can. See FR and even OTG specs charger supplement |
| 07:29.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno if thats true for N900 though |
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| 07:30.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | possibly that's the *only* mode N900 is capable of |
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| 07:36.12 | loft306 | brrr cold |
| 07:36.24 | johnx | yeah. I am not amused by the weather |
| 07:36.26 | loft306 | and its 72f in here |
| 07:36.53 | loft306 | hello cold gonna be in bed for a few days it seems |
| 07:37.27 | loft306 | least i can watch movies in bed without trying to keep a lappi from everheating now |
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| 07:42.44 | wazd | http://i026.radikal.ru/0912/36/089658a648d5.png |
| 07:43.19 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: :D |
| 07:44.42 | timeless_mbp | wazd: does it run on maemo? |
| 07:45.23 | wazd | timeless_mbp: currently it runs on photoshop :) |
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| 07:45.42 | johnx | wazd, how's photoshop's battery life? |
| 07:45.42 | wazd | timeless_mbp: as all of my stuff though |
| 07:45.53 | wazd | johnx: rather poor :) |
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| 07:46.31 | timeless_mbp | wazd: the bitly app? |
| 07:46.51 | wazd | timeless_mbp: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35596 |
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| 07:49.02 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: (disable 1.5k pullup) almost certainly can, it highly impossible it's hard-wired, most probably it's controlled by a switch connected to musb. |
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| 07:49.45 | wazd | joshua.maverick is raging with some custom monstrosity there so I thought it would be nice to give some more common solutions to the author |
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| 07:53.08 | johnx | yeah. I tend to like integrated apps better than ones that feel they need their own custom theme ... |
| 07:53.35 | wazd | every custom thing should have it's purpose |
| 07:53.53 | johnx | very true |
| 07:54.03 | wazd | Canola has custom ui cause it's made with EFL, not GTK |
| 07:54.36 | wazd | ATi has custom UI to look like actual calcs for those who used them before |
| 07:54.46 | tigert | EFL has nothing necessarily to do with custom ui |
| 07:54.58 | johnx | also...for some reason I feel like media players can get away with custom stuff more easily |
| 07:54.59 | tigert | you could do a ui that follows maemo ui style with it just fine |
| 07:55.10 | johnx | though I wish canola on maemo 5 integrated the top bar ... |
| 07:55.14 | tigert | custom ui is nice for things like mediaplayer |
| 07:55.28 | tigert | but for many things it is nice that things work in a consistent way |
| 07:55.45 | wazd | tigert: well, Canola has it's own UI ecosystem, well designed I should notice |
| 07:55.50 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: i think you can just measure DP and DM lines resistance to GND after asking musb to switch to the host mode, it would possibly give some insights. |
| 07:55.55 | tigert | yes, but it is totally different |
| 07:56.08 | tigert | I meant, it is not "because it was written with efl" |
| 07:56.10 | wazd | tigert: why twitter app should have custom UI - dunno :) |
| 07:56.12 | tigert | but they designed it different |
| 07:56.17 | tigert | well, I dunno either |
| 07:56.42 | wazd | tigert: well, I mean since it's not GTK anyway, they can do whatever they want :) |
| 07:56.49 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 07:56.58 | timeless_mbp | looks for native english speakers |
| 07:57.01 | timeless_mbp | (especially brits) |
| 07:57.25 | johnx | ducks |
| 07:57.28 | tigert | wazd: it doesnt really matter - sure it is easier to do "native style" with gtk since it is already themed like that |
| 07:57.37 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: the sysfs node is called "mode" and valid parameters are "host", "peripheral" and "otg". |
| 07:57.37 | timeless_mbp | johnx: you know you want to help |
| 07:57.39 | tigert | but there is no reason why canola couldnt use the same ui style even with efl |
| 07:57.52 | tigert | it was just their decision to do it differently and experiment with a different ui style |
| 07:57.52 | PaulFertser | Others with n900 and a multimeter can join in as well. |
| 07:57.57 | johnx | timeless_mbp, I don't speak english worth a damn and you know it :P |
| 07:57.58 | timeless_mbp | tigert: other than it'd technically be a royal pain ;) |
| 07:58.12 | tigert | timeless_mbp: well, they designed their style from scratch I presume? |
| 07:58.13 | timeless_mbp | (not a reason not to do it) |
| 07:58.18 | timeless_mbp | tigert: dunno |
| 07:58.20 | tigert | converting it to native style now would be pain |
| 07:58.36 | timeless_mbp | but manually interpreting gtk themes is never something "simple" |
| 07:58.36 | wazd | timeless_mbp: he can help with japaneese :D |
| 07:58.47 | tigert | but I meant, "lets use efl" and "lets make it different" are two different things |
| 07:59.00 | johnx | wazd, ha! that's a sure way to offend an entire country |
| 07:59.07 | timeless_mbp | tigert: true |
| 07:59.24 | tigert | "lets do this with EFL and lets make it look native" would have been likely the same amount of work as "lets do it with efl and lets do our own style" |
| 07:59.32 | timeless_mbp | i'm just noting that it's probably moderately painful to get native theming working w/ EFL |
| 07:59.38 | tigert | sure |
| 07:59.43 | tigert | but it doesnt need to be native anyway |
| 07:59.50 | timeless_mbp | tigert =~ s/lets/let's/ |
| 07:59.53 | timeless_mbp | g |
| 07:59.53 | tigert | it just needs to look the same and behave the same :) |
| 08:00.00 | tigert | anyway |
| 08:00.04 | tigert | :) |
| 08:00.32 | johnx | mimicking one gtk theme is one thing, but responding to all possible themes is kind of insane |
| 08:00.41 | johnx | easier in maemo because there's only one engine |
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| 08:01.06 | johnx | but I think choosing efl and choosing to design their own style were two decisions that came naturally together |
| 08:01.09 | tigert | johnx: sure |
| 08:01.19 | johnx | once one of the decisions was made the other was more likely to follow |
| 08:01.20 | timeless_mbp | wazd: erm |
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| 08:01.24 | timeless_mbp | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2551/4156675656_3c4981036f_o.png |
| 08:01.24 | tigert | and they had their vision of what they wanted to do |
| 08:01.29 | tigert | fit their needs nicely |
| 08:01.30 | timeless_mbp | do they really have 5 buttons at the bottom? |
| 08:01.37 | timeless_mbp | please tell them that this is Not OK |
| 08:01.42 | tigert | canola is not "wrong ui" - it is just different |
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| 08:01.51 | timeless_mbp | you can use 5 toolbar icons if you like |
| 08:01.58 | timeless_mbp | but 5 buttons will not fit if translated |
| 08:02.02 | timeless_mbp | tigert: speaking of which |
| 08:02.03 | wazd | timeless_mbp: yeah |
| 08:02.12 | timeless_mbp | can you take a cluebat to the networking ui designers? |
| 08:02.18 | timeless_mbp | i'll visit you sometime today for a demo |
| 08:02.25 | tigert | those are not fingersized either |
| 08:02.28 | timeless_mbp | they did something "fancy" |
| 08:02.30 | johnx | wants to watch a demo of the cluebat |
| 08:02.33 | tigert | its not really a toolbar I think |
| 08:02.49 | timeless_mbp | tigert: the bottom 5 buttons *should* be a toolbar |
| 08:03.02 | timeless_mbp | or just buried in the app menu |
| 08:03.12 | suihkulokki | johnx: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030210 |
| 08:03.24 | wazd | timeless_mbp: app menu will do just fine |
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| 08:03.39 | wazd | timeless_mbp: since these buttons are not for everysecond use anyway |
| 08:03.54 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: =) |
| 08:03.55 | johnx | suihkulokki, that's actually one of the funnier UF strips I've seen :D |
| 08:04.05 | tigert | suihkulokki: heh, its been a loooooong time since I read UF |
| 08:04.06 | timeless_mbp | wazd: agreed |
| 08:04.28 | timeless_mbp | wazd: my ui analysis algorithm is as you saw it here |
| 08:04.58 | timeless_mbp | two many buttons => overflow @ translation => toolbar it; hrm, are any of those things actually necessary? => menu it |
| 08:05.00 | suihkulokki | tigert: mee too, but I remembered that one so I just googled for cluebat userfriendly :) |
| 08:05.03 | tigert | did some gpodder mockups on the weekend |
| 08:05.17 | timeless_mbp | speaking of gpodder |
| 08:05.24 | timeless_mbp | a coworker promised to file a bug against it |
| 08:05.36 | timeless_mbp | because it doesn't install a file in /etc/osso-backup/applications |
| 08:05.41 | timeless_mbp | and i gave him the file for that |
| 08:05.47 | timeless_mbp | wonders if he filed the bug yet |
| 08:05.58 | tigert | right |
| 08:06.01 | wazd | timeless_mbp: bad UI => follow guidelines => good UI :D |
| 08:06.09 | tigert | I also noticed a fun bug about panucci |
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| 08:06.20 | tigert | the podcast/ebook player |
| 08:06.31 | timeless_mbp | wazd: hrm |
| 08:06.35 | timeless_mbp | doesn't work for nokia apps |
| 08:06.35 | tigert | it doesnt play any sound when device has silent profile active :) |
| 08:06.36 | ersin | hi stskeeps |
| 08:06.40 | tigert | need to poke thp about that :) |
| 08:06.44 | Stskeeps | morning ersin |
| 08:07.33 | ersin | so my girlfriend kicked my laptop off the bed and now the screen's messed up =P so no gtk hacking for a while |
| 08:07.45 | ersin | thank god for maemo xchat |
| 08:07.47 | timeless_mbp | ersin: hack from n900 |
| 08:07.56 | sejo | morning gents! |
| 08:08.01 | ersin | timeless_mbp plz send me one |
| 08:08.05 | ersin | lol |
| 08:08.10 | Stskeeps | ersin: well i hope the kicking was done not in malice :P |
| 08:08.12 | sejo | hmm wpa and n900 not working allright :/ |
| 08:08.16 | timeless_mbp | ersin: i've already dropped one |
| 08:08.24 | timeless_mbp | i had to recall the last one i loaned out :( |
| 08:08.25 | ersin | stskeeps, oh not at all, just silliness |
| 08:08.37 | ersin | timeless_mbp: wow rough |
| 08:08.53 | ersin | thankfully my laptop is still under warranty |
| 08:08.55 | timeless_mbp | well the guy i loaned it to was supposed to get his own |
| 08:09.17 | timeless_mbp | sadly my n900s are nokia's so.. no warranty |
| 08:09.17 | johnx | ersin, will warranty really cover that? |
| 08:09.34 | ashenburger | johnx: probably depends on phrasing :) |
| 08:09.35 | ersin | johnx: "what the dinner guests dont' know won't kill them" |
| 08:09.42 | ersin | ashenburger: exactly |
| 08:09.52 | ersin | the dinner guests being gateway et al |
| 08:10.00 | johnx | my screen got a giant hole in it while it was sitting on a desk |
| 08:10.14 | ersin | ? like, literally? |
| 08:10.22 | timeless_mbp | johnx: nah, while sitting in my bag :) |
| 08:10.28 | johnx | sorry, forgot the "s :) |
| 08:10.43 | ersin | heh |
| 08:11.00 | ersin | stskeeps: while i'm deprived of cpu power i thought i might pick your brain |
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| 08:11.33 | johnx | trying to run your compiles on Stskeeps? :D |
| 08:11.38 | Stskeeps | ersin: finishing up my thesis at the moment so the quota is low |
| 08:11.58 | ersin | stskeeps: i was wondering if you know what's preventing someone from building a totally new os for the nits from scratch...i recall something about a watchdog and it will reboot w/o nokia hw blobs |
| 08:12.10 | Stskeeps | ersin: nothing |
| 08:12.13 | ersin | stskeeps: no worries then, i'm in a similar boat, applying to programs |
| 08:12.22 | Stskeeps | ersin: except that if you go for a desktop distro, you |
| 08:12.26 | ersin | stskeeps: um, really?? why hasn't it been done before? |
| 08:12.30 | Stskeeps | 'll end up with laptop like battery performance |
| 08:12.40 | ersin | hmm |
| 08:12.46 | ersin | and mer...? |
| 08:12.53 | Stskeeps | ersin: sure it has, debian, gentoo |
| 08:13.10 | Stskeeps | and mer is closer to maemo and not as such a desktop environment |
| 08:13.28 | ersin | so wifi and bluetooth are supported in the kernel tree? |
| 08:13.31 | Stskeeps | sure |
| 08:13.34 | ersin | (do you know which drivers?) |
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| 08:13.48 | ersin | if there's a wiki with all this somewhere i'll take a look at that |
| 08:13.48 | Stskeeps | we just abuse initfs for firmware |
| 08:13.56 | ersin | hah |
| 08:14.17 | johnx | by "kernel tree" do you mean mainline? |
| 08:14.25 | ersin | that doesn't cause massive fails with different kernel versions? |
| 08:14.30 | ersin | johnx: yes, ty |
| 08:15.14 | pupnik_ | Amazon.de sells N900 for 887.15 US dollars. Dell sold N900 at 442 US dollars + free shipping + tax. How is this possible? |
| 08:15.34 | pupnik_ | Both unlocked. |
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| 08:16.13 | wazd | pupnik_: magic! :D |
| 08:16.30 | ersin | goes to investigate running busybox on his n770 with what little graphics capabilities his poor laptop has left |
| 08:16.53 | LinuxCode | pupnik_, I will sell you one for £1000 , if you want to pay that |
| 08:16.55 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
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| 08:17.35 | johnx | ersin, well, see...that's a different story :) There's different wifi driver that works for newer kernels. And the N810s have sound support in newer kernels, but the N800s have a slightly different codec. Support in newer kernels is kind of hit-or-miss, largely because no one has done the work |
| 08:18.19 | ersin | johnx: what about the 770's? |
| 08:18.49 | johnx | uhm...I don't think people have looked at getting a newer kernel on them |
| 08:18.55 | ersin | johnx: and do you know which driver that different one is? |
| 08:18.57 | Stskeeps | ersin: wifi kernel blob |
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| 08:19.38 | ersin | stskeeps: wasn't a hacker named fanoosh doing 770 wifi stuff? he must've had access to the code |
| 08:20.41 | johnx | stlc4550 |
| 08:21.15 | tigert | hah, that espeak sounds like the amiga speech synth |
| 08:21.20 | johnx | aka stlc45xx |
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| 08:24.02 | pupnik_ | LinuxCode, why not buy from dell and sell in germany? (economic arbitrage) |
| 08:24.18 | pupnik_ | Earn 300 dollars per n900 sold |
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| 08:24.36 | LinuxCode | i tell you why |
| 08:24.37 | ashenburger | -vat, I'd assume. possibly taxes to |
| 08:24.43 | ashenburger | too* |
| 08:24.47 | LinuxCode | we in Europe use 220-240 volts |
| 08:24.59 | LinuxCode | customs |
| 08:25.06 | LinuxCode | not worth it |
| 08:25.08 | pupnik_ | what is customs? |
| 08:25.19 | LinuxCode | they tax it on import |
| 08:25.22 | tigert | the charger does 110 / 220 |
| 08:25.28 | johnx | pupnik_, a tax on people bad at smuggling |
| 08:25.40 | LinuxCode | tigert, still leaves VAT and customs and excise duty |
| 08:25.49 | tigert | sure |
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| 08:26.22 | pupnik_ | This is a ridiculous situation caused by european socialist government.\ |
| 08:26.33 | LinuxCode | pupnik_, PLEASE |
| 08:26.42 | LinuxCode | the US has customs too |
| 08:26.46 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 08:26.50 | tigert | keep your socialism in your arse please |
| 08:26.51 | pupnik_ | You do nnot explain why it is cheaper in us!!! |
| 08:26.56 | tigert | :) |
| 08:27.02 | rrr__ | just get one from UK and quit complaining :p |
| 08:27.13 | LinuxCode | pupnik_, sales tax |
| 08:27.18 | LinuxCode | us 7% |
| 08:27.23 | LinuxCode | UK 15% |
| 08:27.29 | ashenburger | norway 25% :( |
| 08:27.31 | pupnik_ | germany 20% |
| 08:27.38 | LinuxCode | + currency fluctuations |
| 08:27.38 | mece | finland 22% |
| 08:27.39 | mece | hah |
| 08:27.41 | Stskeeps | dk 25% |
| 08:27.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:27.43 | pupnik_ | so we have 14 percent of the 100 percent surcharge |
| 08:27.44 | johnx | pupnik_, because you're willing to pay :P |
| 08:27.51 | pupnik_ | where is the rest of the 86 percent, LinuxCode |
| 08:27.58 | Corsac | remember the dollar price nowadays :) |
| 08:27.59 | LinuxCode | pupnik_, ask Nokia |
| 08:28.05 | ashenburger | but if you buy it in another country you buy it tax-free no? |
| 08:28.15 | Corsac | ashenburger: and you pay taxes in your own country |
| 08:28.20 | pupnik_ | it is in the transaction cost of doing business in europe, due to all the regulations imposed |
| 08:28.23 | ashenburger | well, only if you really want to :p |
| 08:28.29 | johnx | ever played the lemonade stand game on the Apple ][? |
| 08:28.35 | mece | I think it's cheaper in the us because it's a tougher market for Nok |
| 08:28.39 | LinuxCode | pupnik_, rubbish |
| 08:28.48 | pupnik_ | what is the supply/demand curve for n900? how many more would be sold at 300 euro price point? |
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| 08:29.12 | pupnik_ | That is the relevance. |
| 08:29.25 | LinuxCode | pupnik_, US is the biggest market, in the World |
| 08:29.27 | mece | pupnik_ I'm guessing A LOT, but Nokia is guessing not so many. |
| 08:29.45 | LinuxCode | companies set a price selling point per currency market |
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| 08:30.00 | LinuxCode | so currency fluctuations level each other out |
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| 08:30.36 | LinuxCode | besides, they might be buying their components in USD |
| 08:30.49 | LinuxCode | the Chinese currency is linked to the USD |
| 08:30.50 | johnx | though more likely in Won (sp?) |
| 08:30.52 | pupnik_ | i used the current conversion rate between euro and dollar, LinuxCode - not some fantasy figure |
| 08:31.30 | CoreFusion- | Good morning! |
| 08:32.10 | LinuxCode | pupnik_, that is market rate ;-p nobody gets that, not even banks |
| 08:32.35 | Flandry | played Lemonade Stand |
| 08:32.48 | johnx | thinks he still has Euros, Kroner and Yen left over, wonders how much... |
| 08:32.52 | CoreFusion- | Ok, I have about 4 hours of free time, anyone need some testing done? |
| 08:32.55 | LinuxCode | and again, ask Nokia, they calculate in currency fluctuations, level of average income, etc.. |
| 08:33.11 | Flandry | Today's forecast: Hot and dry! Oh yeah, time to sell big :P |
| 08:33.18 | LinuxCode | anyway, pupnik_ bitch all you like, nothing will change |
| 08:33.25 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 08:33.43 | suihkulokki | Nokia needs to grab american market share desperately, so the n900 is priced there accordingly |
| 08:33.48 | johnx | Flandry, I learned more about economics from that game than any other time in school |
| 08:33.59 | suihkulokki | in EU N still has many other phones sellign well |
| 08:34.10 | johnx | CoreFusion-, do you know where the extras-testing voting page is? |
| 08:34.12 | Flandry | I suspect that game's the reason i dislike business |
| 08:34.53 | CoreFusion- | johnx: is it this one? http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ |
| 08:35.17 | pwnguin | anyone understadn the purpose of /etc/event.d/act-dead? |
| 08:35.25 | johnx | Flandry, and also the reason why I feel no need to try and guess why the N900 is expensive some places: Nokia sales team must be die hard lemonade stand players |
| 08:35.46 | Flandry | Hmm, wonder if Aztec and Swashbuckler code is around somewhere |
| 08:36.01 | johnx | CoreFusion-, just making sure. I don't have anything specific for you to test :) |
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| 08:41.49 | timeless_mbp | johnx: i miss lemonade stand |
| 08:42.16 | johnx | playing that game was one of the formative moments of my cynical attitude |
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| 08:42.58 | timeless_mbp | johnx: i recently gave away my eastern european currency, too heavy, too little value |
| 08:43.28 | timeless_mbp | pwnguin: so.. |
| 08:43.37 | timeless_mbp | ever heard of a reboot loop? |
| 08:43.47 | timeless_mbp | imagine your system manages to mess up a critical service |
| 08:43.50 | timeless_mbp | when that happens, we reboot |
| 08:44.08 | timeless_mbp | if your device isn't plugged into a charger, then what will happen assuming no acting is: |
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| 08:44.20 | CoreFusion- | Found a minor bug in mclock, how do i report it? |
| 08:44.21 | timeless_mbp | device tries to boot, x loads, various its poke the file system |
| 08:44.25 | timeless_mbp | the critical app fails |
| 08:44.28 | timeless_mbp | the device reboots |
| 08:44.40 | timeless_mbp | this repeats forever (rather, until the device's battery is fully drained) |
| 08:44.47 | Stskeeps | CoreFusion-: see if it's in bugs.maemo.org |
| 08:44.59 | timeless_mbp | with act-dead, if you fail to get through to some reasonable point X times in a row, we give up |
| 08:45.11 | timeless_mbp | there's something wrong, and you need to fix it first before we try to boot again |
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| 08:45.57 | CoreFusion- | Stskeeps: There doesn't seem to be anything about mClock in bugs.maemo.org |
| 08:47.10 | Stskeeps | CoreFusion-: check under extras? |
| 08:47.12 | timeless_mbp | CoreFusion-: bugzilla says it doesn't have a component |
| 08:47.15 | timeless_mbp | only mCalendar |
| 08:47.20 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:47.25 | timeless_mbp | (are they related?) |
| 08:48.20 | CoreFusion- | So how should I proceed? |
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| 08:48.31 | timeless_mbp | johnx: so, i'm aware you're acting as a non native speaker |
| 08:48.38 | timeless_mbp | but users are still good for me |
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| 08:48.47 | timeless_mbp | won't you please be my user :) |
| 08:48.51 | johnx | heh. what's the question? |
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| 08:53.12 | fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: interesting about act-dead. does it offer any actual way to fix the problem (whatever it might be)? |
| 08:54.20 | fnordianslip | i.e. single user mode |
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| 08:58.37 | johnx | Hmm...I think I'll hit my car with a baseball bat until it starts working |
| 08:58.38 | timeless_mbp | um, the device does |
| 08:58.47 | timeless_mbp | the mode itself isn't really interested in doing that |
| 08:58.56 | timeless_mbp | and offers is kinda an overstatement |
| 08:59.04 | timeless_mbp | it's a device, there's a serial console and a usb port |
| 08:59.11 | timeless_mbp | with those you can talk to it |
| 08:59.12 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i actually wish actdead would present itself better than death |
| 08:59.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:00.19 | fnordianslip | ah. ok. so not for end users really |
| 09:00.50 | timeless_mbp | come up w/ a better solution and you can ship it in Mer ;-) |
| 09:01.00 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
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| 09:01.14 | timeless_mbp | this slide show just misspelled the email address for the contact |
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| 09:02.26 | johnx | timeless_mbp, it's ok. I don't think they'll get many complaints ... by email :D |
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| 09:03.18 | sejo | Is there a list somewhere where I can see what packages are new in the testing repo? |
| 09:03.40 | sejo | and does someone knom how to join rooms on jabber with the n900? |
| 09:03.45 | timeless_mbp | sejo: the qa page isn't good enough? |
| 09:04.01 | sejo | timeless_mbp: that would be perfectvvv |
| 09:04.05 | sejo | ... |
| 09:04.31 | timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing ? |
| 09:04.53 | odin_ | does N900 take OTA SMS for setting updates? |
| 09:05.10 | sejo | thx timeless_mbp |
| 09:05.14 | timeless_mbp | odin_: the localization has strings that talk about it |
| 09:05.21 | timeless_mbp | i've never seen it show those strings |
| 09:05.32 | timeless_mbp | and i am not going to check to see if they're really used |
| 09:05.39 | timeless_mbp | (but as a localizer, i know they exist) |
| 09:05.52 | Stskeeps | it's possible to be dragged into a multi user chat i think |
| 09:05.53 | RST38h | johnx: Still alive? |
| 09:06.01 | johnx | RST38h, fraid so :P |
| 09:06.09 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:06.17 | RST38h | needs some help with setting up a package under Maemo |
| 09:06.21 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps / et al, visit: http://ovi.mobi w/ your n900 |
| 09:06.23 | sejo | Stskeeps: I tried to join a room but that didn't work |
| 09:06.28 | timeless_mbp | and click on "Maps" |
| 09:06.28 | RST38h | johnx: goooooooooood =)~ |
| 09:06.40 | RST38h | johnx: Let us say I have a nethack |
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| 09:07.01 | RST38h | johnx: It is installed into /opt/vultures, there is a binary there, started by a script /usr/bin/vultures |
| 09:07.17 | johnx | with you so far |
| 09:07.25 | RST38h | johnx: Now, Nethack has to be able to write a few files in its data dir |
| 09:07.34 | johnx | ugh |
| 09:07.49 | johnx | what kind of files? |
| 09:07.55 | RST38h | This includes the scorecard, the save games, and a link("perm","perm_lock") to insure it is the only program writing stuff there |
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| 09:08.16 | RST38h | Which leads us....to vultures failing to run unless you run it as root of course |
| 09:08.24 | RST38h | How I am trying to fix it: |
| 09:09.07 | johnx | save games go in ~/ , scorecard (high scores?) actually have a system wide directory (like /var/games or something) and that link can written wherever you want. /tmp or /var/run maybe? |
| 09:09.22 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, no sure I follow you comment.. localization ? the updates Im after are for MMS + WAP/GRPS/PacketData and anything else, we are talking of the same thing? |
| 09:09.30 | RST38h | cd /opt/vultures ; chgrp games . vultures <datafiles> ; chmod g+s vultures ; chmod g+w . <datafiles> |
| 09:09.33 | timeless_mbp | odin_: yes |
| 09:09.40 | RST38h | johnx: Sorry, it is not an option |
| 09:09.45 | timeless_mbp | odin_: did you know that your n900 can speak more than one language? |
| 09:09.52 | odin_ | I tested my N900 out on real network and it wont connect to PacketData, so I need to know what to ask my operator for |
| 09:09.55 | timeless_mbp | i've written my own translation |
| 09:09.58 | RST38h | johnx: have ot do it as shown above. It does not work. Any idea why? |
| 09:10.15 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, can speak? can you name the languages it can speak ? |
| 09:10.28 | Stskeeps | RST38h: postinst? :P |
| 09:10.29 | timeless_mbp | speak = display text |
| 09:10.36 | johnx | RST38h, 1) I have little interest in nethack 2) you're making your pacakge in a way that won't work on mer ... so my motivation for jumping down the rabbit hole is very small |
| 09:10.43 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I have done it MANUALLY just now. Does not work. |
| 09:10.44 | odin_ | if i ask for N97 or E95 (or whatever) OTA setting, will they work with N900 ? |
| 09:10.57 | RST38h | johnx: This is how Nethack worked for years |
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| 09:11.16 | RST38h | johnx: I am trying not to invent things |
| 09:11.26 | odin_ | my operator (Vodafone) never heard of N900 yet... so all I can do is tell them to send same setting for N97 or E95 or someting they do know about |
| 09:11.27 | johnx | RST38h, I guarantee it isn't packaged that way on debian |
| 09:11.38 | johnx | (or any sane multi-user system) |
| 09:11.42 | RST38h | hm |
| 09:11.49 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, I dont understand what the display text and locale has to do with OTA SMS setting |
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| 09:12.01 | johnx | uhm. so chrgrp is failing on a vfat fs is what you're saying? |
| 09:12.08 | RST38h | no |
| 09:12.09 | timeless_mbp | odin_: in order to support most things |
| 09:12.12 | RST38h | chgrp works |
| 09:12.13 | timeless_mbp | the device has to tell you something |
| 09:12.14 | RST38h | chmod works |
| 09:12.19 | RST38h | it is not a vfat fs, it is /opt |
| 09:12.22 | timeless_mbp | if it can't tell you something happened, how would you deal w/ it |
| 09:12.27 | johnx | ah right. got turned around |
| 09:12.30 | timeless_mbp | in order for you to be told, it has to speak your language |
| 09:12.46 | RST38h | it just can't open or link any of those files, in spite of all the bits being in place |
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| 09:12.49 | timeless_mbp | as such, if there's no translation of a message relating to a feature, it's unlikely that the feature exists |
| 09:13.00 | RST38h | maybe the OS prohibits changing group? |
| 09:13.32 | timeless_mbp | (existence of a translation for a string doesn't imply the feature, although the lack thereof generally implies the lack of existence) |
| 09:13.38 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, erm.... when my new E72 was turned on with new SIM, I got 1 SMS (which I could not read), this was the OTA via SMS settings... the phone never told me anything.... I then promptly rebooted the phone, because I just knew that is what you should do after tou get some SMS updates with a new SIM/phone (since this is what Ive always done for 10 years) |
| 09:14.03 | timeless_mbp | odin_: i doubt that |
| 09:14.10 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, so localization really has nothing to do with what I'm on about |
| 09:14.19 | timeless_mbp | when i used my e61i the ota sms explained that it was a special settings thing |
| 09:14.27 | timeless_mbp | that was a localized message |
| 09:14.28 | johnx | RST38h, so which of those commands are you running as root, and which as some user in the games group? (pastebin might be the most concise) |
| 09:15.06 | odin_ | on the E72 I got a new message indicate, which I read but nothing displayed at all it went back to home screen and new message indicate was reset |
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| 09:15.30 | odin_ | but yes I agree, some older phones I've had, did have a written message for the same thing |
| 09:15.52 | odin_ | but thats not actually important, the important things are the setting contained, will the phone interpret them and setup profiles for GRPS connections and such ? |
| 09:16.06 | sejo | timeless_mbp: nice work with the store |
| 09:16.13 | timeless_mbp | sejo: store? |
| 09:16.24 | timeless_mbp | my translation is enus1 |
| 09:16.35 | timeless_mbp | the only thing i did to store was change 'store' to 'ovi store' |
| 09:16.39 | odin_ | the N900 can't do MMS yet anyway? |
| 09:16.40 | sejo | err the ovi.mobi i mean |
| 09:16.49 | timeless_mbp | sejo: not my work |
| 09:16.55 | timeless_mbp | sejo: did you click on the maps link? |
| 09:17.05 | timeless_mbp | for me i got a message saying my n810 isn't supported |
| 09:17.12 | timeless_mbp | which is interesting, because as i noted, i have an n900 |
| 09:17.25 | timeless_mbp | ooh, they're asking this guy about n900 support |
| 09:17.46 | sejo | timeless_mbp: seems to work here (slow though) |
| 09:17.54 | sejo | ach no |
| 09:18.00 | timeless_mbp | sejo: what?! |
| 09:18.03 | sejo | not supported |
| 09:18.10 | timeless_mbp | does it say n900 or n810? |
| 09:18.11 | sejo | text just didn't render |
| 09:18.18 | sejo | N810 |
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| 09:18.23 | timeless_mbp | great |
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| 09:18.28 | sejo | lol |
| 09:18.28 | timeless_mbp | sends an email |
| 09:18.29 | Stskeeps | morn RevdKathy |
| 09:18.31 | johnx | hey RevdKathy |
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| 09:19.10 | johnx | timeless_mbp, so, was I testing something specific in your l10n? |
| 09:19.26 | timeless_mbp | nope, just breathe it |
| 09:19.35 | timeless_mbp | sejo: message sent |
| 09:19.54 | timeless_mbp | johnx: well |
| 09:19.54 | odin_ | does the N900 support "WAP" settings? there is different APN for "Internet" and "WAP" |
| 09:19.55 | timeless_mbp | actually |
| 09:19.57 | timeless_mbp | test the clock |
| 09:19.58 | johnx | I liked "Switch off!" better. Everytime I read it I thought of C3PO yelling at R2D2 :) |
| 09:20.05 | timeless_mbp | odin_: we don't support WAP period |
| 09:20.12 | timeless_mbp | johnx: lol |
| 09:20.13 | odin_ | WAP is just old-hat :) |
| 09:20.22 | RevdKathy | Morning all. not really here but IT decided to remotely update my pc while I was using it so thought I'd see how xchat works on n900 |
| 09:20.26 | RST38h | johnx: I run vultures executable with g+s |
| 09:20.35 | RST38h | johnx: Not running anything as root. It fails |
| 09:20.37 | timeless_mbp | RevdKathy: how nice of them |
| 09:20.48 | RST38h | johnx: Now, when I run vultures executable as root, it works |
| 09:21.17 | johnx | RST38h, if you try to do the things it does, by hand as the user, what happens? |
| 09:21.38 | RST38h | not getting permission of course |
| 09:21.51 | johnx | RST38h, did you add user to games? |
| 09:22.03 | RST38h | no, why should I? |
| 09:22.07 | johnx | timeless_mbp, so, uhm. did you change the timezone listing at the bottom right? |
| 09:22.17 | timeless_mbp | ? |
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| 09:22.27 | timeless_mbp | johnx: i tried to move the japanese cities out of the ocea |
| 09:22.28 | timeless_mbp | n |
| 09:22.37 | johnx | errr...did it ever actually say the "name" of the timezone? |
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| 09:22.44 | RST38h | I have a vultures executable that has group set to games AND has g+s |
| 09:22.46 | johnx | like PST instead of GMT-8 |
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| 09:22.56 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 09:22.59 | timeless_mbp | we don't know that |
| 09:23.01 | timeless_mbp | (we're idiots) |
| 09:23.03 | RST38h | Shouldn't that be sufficient? |
| 09:23.06 | odin_ | is there a GPRS connection failure log? |
| 09:23.11 | timeless_mbp | johnx: please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org |
| 09:23.30 | johnx | RST38h, I don't know what the code does :P just trying to think of a way to verify it with code that "should" work |
| 09:24.11 | RST38h | johnx: no use, better try verifying that the process does indeed guid to games |
| 09:24.11 | johnx | (code like "mkdir" and "touch" and "ln") |
| 09:24.31 | RST38h | Even THIS I cannot verify :( |
| 09:24.40 | johnx | heh. but if you could do it as user, you could mkdir from your launcher script :P |
| 09:24.48 | johnx | or touch or whatever |
| 09:25.45 | RST38h | wait I found how to look up the group!!! |
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| 09:28.37 | RST38h | ok, the busybox ps is too braindamaged to support -o or O flag |
| 09:28.42 | RST38h | so, no doughnut |
| 09:29.29 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: i don't think busybox ps supports any flags |
| 09:30.12 | waz1 | DDP will start shipping when they'll have 300 refurbished n900 I suppose :) |
| 09:30.15 | odin_ | RST38h, im working on busyboxless package :) |
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| 09:30.49 | RST38h | tears his hair out, what the hell is going on? |
| 09:31.02 | RST38h | The filesystem does nto seem to disable guid |
| 09:31.09 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:31.13 | odin_ | this will provide the same tools and place in /usr/local/bin (so shells and such can use proper versions) |
| 09:31.15 | timeless_mbp | needs to shoot a couple of people |
| 09:31.23 | ashenburger | hides |
| 09:33.11 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:33.22 | timeless_mbp | ok, can a nokian please walk me through setting up voip? |
| 09:33.34 | timeless_mbp | my n900 is tied to a non internationalized sim :( |
| 09:34.03 | odin_ | u have VoIP provider? (I know about VoIP but have not gotten to doing that with N900 yet) |
| 09:34.39 | timeless_mbp | my employer supposedly |
| 09:34.59 | timeless_mbp | although apparently they do not approve of our protocol stack :o |
| 09:35.19 | odin_ | is it asterisk based ? |
| 09:35.38 | ersin | is there somewhere i can get a .config list for the 770 kernel? |
| 09:35.42 | timeless_mbp | i kinda doubt it |
| 09:36.04 | johnx | ersin, you mean Nokia's one? yeah. I'd hope so |
| 09:36.16 | timeless_mbp | presumably there's a debian package w/ sources? |
| 09:36.44 | ersin | johnx, sorry sarcasm carries poorly over the internet...do you mean that it's obvious or that it's hopeless =P |
| 09:37.26 | johnx | ersin, neither ;) if they don't have it, they'll get hung out to dry by open source zealots :) |
| 09:37.32 | johnx | and I think they're smarter than that |
| 09:37.43 | ersin | hah true |
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| 09:37.54 | ersin | mm must be in a different jffs2 image... |
| 09:38.14 | johnx | hmm? the .config? I bet it's in their kernel-source debian package |
| 09:38.27 | ersin | oh good idea |
| 09:38.29 | johnx | do you have gregale sdk setup somewhere? |
| 09:38.43 | ersin | no, but maybe i can just dl it from the repo |
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| 09:38.55 | johnx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/source/k/kernel-source-2.6.16/ |
| 09:39.02 | ersin | ty |
| 09:39.15 | odin_ | ok I take it other people have gotten GPRS/PacketData working for them ? I am Vodafone/UK and APN is setup but it wont connect "Internet connection failed. Try again?" |
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| 09:39.43 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:39.48 | timeless_mbp | really needs to strangle someone |
| 09:39.59 | zash | hides |
| 09:40.05 | odin_ | puts himself up for torture |
| 09:40.15 | johnx | films it for youtube |
| 09:40.34 | Lynoure | Such cooperation :) I love the Internet. |
| 09:40.54 | odin_ | use a regular phone like everyone else .... its what the operators love... they dont like any of this VoIP nonsense, there is no money in that ! |
| 09:41.00 | RevdKathy | Ok got a meeting to attend. It works, anyway! (thanks to GAN900 for installing to My Mo) |
| 09:41.34 | RST38h | And guess what? She can even USE it at her meeting! |
| 09:41.52 | odin_ | are there any GPRS connectivity logfiles? is GPRS a form of PPP ? |
| 09:42.34 | johnx | RST38h, strangely enough. there are still professions where laptop/gadget use at meetings is kind of a faux pas |
| 09:43.39 | Stskeeps | johnx: it's excellent when laptops are banned but people use gadgets instead |
| 09:43.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:43.44 | RST38h | johnx: Well, there is always under-the-table! |
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| 09:44.57 | johnx | RST38h, yeah. I always choose to pretend they're just playing with their iphones ... |
| 09:45.07 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: doesn't work as well for a laptop as it does for a touchpad/phone |
| 09:45.38 | frals | nokia sweden finally shipping, mms here i come! |
| 09:45.39 | JamieBennett | Anyone seen a bug that makes you inbox become INBOX (and hence doesn't work) on the n900? |
| 09:45.40 | ccooke | Good Morning |
| 09:45.45 | odin_ | can it be connected via WLAN and GPRS at the same time ? |
| 09:45.45 | JamieBennett | s/you/your |
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| 09:46.25 | lbt_ | odin_: I have it working - uk/vodaphone |
| 09:46.34 | RST38h | JamieBennett: Yes. It is called "installing PINE" |
| 09:46.39 | JamieBennett | lol |
| 09:47.04 | JamieBennett | RST38h, only have it on |
| 09:47.09 | JamieBennett | one account and its annoying |
| 09:47.23 | JamieBennett | Doesn't always do it, maybe 50/50 |
| 09:47.57 | zaheerm | jeremiah, hi any idea if the fremantle build queue is stuck? |
| 09:48.26 | homeasvs | jeremiah, if it is, most likely it's because of my erlang build |
| 09:48.38 | homeasvs | jeremiah, if the build system also uses qemu, I also have some idea why it is hanging |
| 09:48.44 | odin_ | lbt, I have APN setup (it was there by default, so maybe loaded from SIM or OTA SMS ?) its setup for "Vodafone Internet GPRS", "Packet Data", "Internet", "web", "web", Don't prompt for password at every login, Advanced settings nothing it setup all on AUTO, I am uk/vodafone/contract |
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| 09:50.57 | florian | good morning |
| 09:51.16 | johnx | woo! I think I dodged a bullet and don't have to re-image 21 machines at work |
| 09:51.46 | johnx | sometimes I almost wish ssh was a little *less* strict ... |
| 09:54.50 | RST38h | like, that it would read your mind and do the right thing? |
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| 09:57.52 | odin_ | ok I give up on N900 GPRS for now... (like i gave up on Fedora12 last night, when my video card was not correctly supported, even through it was in FC5 which is what I run now) |
| 09:57.56 | odin_ | grumbles.... |
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| 09:58.31 | odin_ | tiflsc, is that a real IPv6 address you have there? or some kind of host-nickname ? |
| 09:59.12 | johnx | odin_, trying to use the gps without any kind of internet connection or ...? |
| 09:59.15 | zaheerm | odin_, my wife has hers set for uk vodafone and it works...no advanced settings just choosing vodafone from the list of UK providers |
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| 09:59.27 | odin_ | GPRS (Packet Data connection) |
| 09:59.52 | odin_ | zaheerm, the list of UK providers? maybe I missed a step somewhere? |
| 09:59.54 | johnx | heh...I was following the whole conversation and yet I totally misread that |
| 10:00.53 | zaheerm | odin_, when you start the phone for the first time, it asks you |
| 10:00.56 | odin_ | I have no idea how it got the current settings it has, but they are correct as per vodafone's website (and my other phone's a E72) |
| 10:01.06 | odin_ | oh I had no SIM then (when I booted it up first time) |
| 10:01.22 | zaheerm | nor did she...but when she put sim in, that's when it asked |
| 10:01.24 | odin_ | can't it guess provider from OperatorID |
| 10:02.09 | odin_ | well I guess I need to take the sim out and swap E72 one for N900 one and see if they work vice-versa |
| 10:03.15 | odin_ | oh I like some of the thoughts/features of the E72 (only had that 2 weeks as well), we need to port some of them to N900 :) |
| 10:04.25 | tigert | odin_: tried the wizard? |
| 10:04.27 | odin_ | push.email.net http://email.vodafone.net, also doesn't RIM have patent on "push email" but hasn't the BIFF service been around for 20 years + ? |
| 10:04.53 | tigert | no wait |
| 10:06.00 | odin_ | I can't obviously see a wizard |
| 10:06.19 | odin_ | but I am sure it is in front of me |
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| 10:09.43 | Myrtti | oh god I hate the new xournal :-( |
| 10:10.00 | Myrtti | is there a way to get the grid background? |
| 10:10.41 | odin_ | the Settings -> Internet Connection -> New (only seems to let you setup WLAN, not PacketData?) |
| 10:10.44 | sejo | someone tried the MfE with zimbra? and can explain hom to do it? |
| 10:11.25 | odin_ | I had better not accidentally select my GPRS profile, cus then I would be hosed ! |
| 10:11.26 | Jaffa | odin_: it's through the phone bit/inserting a SIM & allowing data connection AFAICT |
| 10:11.32 | auenf | zimbra mfe is pay-for? |
| 10:11.52 | odin_ | looks at "phone bit" :) |
| 10:12.13 | Jaffa | is using his N900 on Vodafone UK with no probs. |
| 10:12.20 | sejo | auenf: bleh apparently :/ |
| 10:12.40 | Myrtti | please tell me there's a way to choose grid background to xournal...? |
| 10:12.42 | auenf | only imap/pop/webmail is part of OSS |
| 10:12.46 | odin_ | its a new number/SIM, so for all I know its vodafone's problem, but they say its all enabled |
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| 10:12.59 | woglinde | jo |
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| 10:13.34 | canc | hello |
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| 10:14.08 | canc | is there a way to have boot options at startup ? |
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| 10:15.25 | RST38h | Myrtti: "New" Diablo xournal or new Fremantle xournal? |
| 10:15.41 | RST38h | Do you mean the lobotomized one from Fremantle? |
| 10:15.42 | Jaffa | Myrtti: ask anidel? |
| 10:15.58 | timeless_mbp | canc: eh? what for/why? |
| 10:16.02 | woglinde | moo rst |
| 10:16.06 | RST38h | Jaffa: that has been done, he promised to bring the normal UI back after Barcelona |
| 10:16.19 | timeless_mbp | pokes Jaffa / GAN900 for en testing |
| 10:16.23 | RST38h | herds woglinde out into the meadow |
| 10:16.27 | Myrtti | RST38h: fremantle :-( |
| 10:16.30 | tiflsc | odin_: it's real. university is v6 ready |
| 10:16.34 | Myrtti | cries |
| 10:16.45 | Myrtti | this is no good for designing knitting patterns anymore :-( |
| 10:16.51 | RST38h | Myrtti: Anidel says he had to go back to this lobotomized UI due to Fremantle UI "guidelines" |
| 10:17.13 | Myrtti | *sigh* |
| 10:17.19 | canc | timeless_mbp: I got a N900, and it freeze during the boot I wonder if there is a way to see what module is going wrong |
| 10:17.26 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: 'fraid not. Using random Helsinki wifi and have got to head back shortly. |
| 10:17.29 | RST38h | Myrtti: He did promised to bring back the normal UI, if someone helps him with advice on how to add it all in Maemo54 |
| 10:17.31 | RST38h | 5 |
| 10:17.52 | RST38h | Myrtti: So, catch him here and do not get off his back until this happens =) |
| 10:18.04 | Myrtti | I hope someone does, I can't code even the bloody counter widget... |
| 10:18.14 | RST38h | Myrtti: he does not need help coding |
| 10:18.34 | Myrtti | RST38h: I mean, I have probably no skills in what he needs help for |
| 10:18.36 | woglinde | hm hm |
| 10:18.40 | RST38h | Myrtti: He needs help arranging all the xournal settings so that they are all easily accessible, without resorting to a traditional Maemo4 menu |
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| 10:18.47 | Myrtti | ah, ok |
| 10:18.59 | woglinde | hm xournal |
| 10:19.16 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: you're in town? |
| 10:19.21 | timeless_mbp | and you didn't say hello? |
| 10:19.24 | RST38h | Myrtti: You probably know that Maemo5 Design Guide is not helping by stating that "you should reduce the amount of options available in your app to simplify the UI" |
| 10:19.54 | timeless_mbp | canc: generally speaking we do debugging via a serial console |
| 10:20.03 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/optima-op5-e-resurfaces-with-english-os-gets-lengthy-video-revi/ |
| 10:20.08 | timeless_mbp | if you don't have a serial console then passing random boot flags won't get you very far |
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| 10:20.58 | Myrtti | RST38h: the irony of that which coincides with my work the past few months, doesn't go unnoticed, I'm laughing and crying at the same time. |
| 10:21.06 | Myrtti | Design guide... oh boy. |
| 10:21.09 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, we just discussed it in mer. they seem to have various copyright infringement issues (nokia sans, etc) |
| 10:21.22 | Stskeeps | RST38h: that said, they do have a huge bunch of self made work |
| 10:21.39 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Which will not help them with copyright issues, unfortunately |
| 10:21.48 | woglinde | hm uh vmware now released there embedded hypervisor |
| 10:21.55 | frals | they use ms icons and sounds as well from what i gatheredo n that mid |
| 10:21.57 | Stskeeps | woglinde: url? |
| 10:21.59 | canc | timeless_mbp: ok, so if I want to have it booting again, I have to look for a serial console ? does it work even if the maemo system is down ? |
| 10:22.09 | RST38h | Stskeeps: So, the only thing saving them from a police raid is Nokia China not knowing which government buttons to push |
| 10:22.26 | Stskeeps | RST38h: they are trying to sell it in the US |
| 10:22.28 | RST38h | Myrtti: Yes, suffer now ;)~~~ |
| 10:22.32 | timeless_mbp | canc: serial consoles don't lie around in general |
| 10:22.40 | timeless_mbp | they mostly live in nokia offices |
| 10:22.51 | RST38h | Stskeeps: well...umgh...you know |
| 10:23.10 | canc | timeless_mbp: Not sure I like this answer :/ |
| 10:23.11 | Myrtti | RST38h: oy, I didn't write it! I've just... helped create... the framework it's done on... *cough* |
| 10:23.16 | Stskeeps | canc: make a fbcon kernel |
| 10:23.27 | timeless_mbp | canc: i'm not sure you got the message, but roughly "don't do that" |
| 10:23.40 | timeless_mbp | if your device has a problem, take it to nokia care |
| 10:24.17 | RST38h | Myrtti: The Tentacled One does not differentiate! |
| 10:24.34 | canc | timeless_mbp: It's not a question of do or don't, the device freeze during boot time, I mean, if it's a linux, I may be able to do something ? |
| 10:24.45 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 10:24.53 | canc | ok :) |
| 10:24.58 | woglinde | stskeep -> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/VMware-MVP/ |
| 10:24.59 | RST38h | Myrtti: Seriously though, there are several ways to work around the UI framework defficiencies |
| 10:25.09 | timeless_mbp | you may be able to void your warranty too, that doesn't mean you should :) |
| 10:25.12 | RST38h | Myrtti: Anidel just has not looked at them yet, I guess |
| 10:25.22 | timeless_mbp | canc: roughly, if you don't report this to nokia care, nokia isn't officially aware of the problem |
| 10:25.30 | timeless_mbp | which actually sucks from our perspective |
| 10:25.34 | woglinde | args |
| 10:25.35 | woglinde | okay |
| 10:25.42 | woglinde | I should read to the end |
| 10:25.43 | woglinde | 2012 |
| 10:25.43 | canc | timeless_mbp: you're right |
| 10:26.07 | timeless_mbp | canc: put another way, it's a consumer electronics device, you're supposed to complain like a consumer, not fix it yourself |
| 10:26.14 | odin_ | does the serial console not work with the existing tooling ? maybe someone orght to write up a Wiki page on how to make one |
| 10:27.07 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: "wow" |
| 10:27.14 | canc | timeless_mbp: So my idea of it's a linux powered device, I may be able to fix it when it won'twork anymore is wrong |
| 10:27.17 | timeless_mbp | (watching video) |
| 10:27.29 | timeless_mbp | canc: well, you *could* do that |
| 10:27.35 | timeless_mbp | but it's the wrong mindset |
| 10:27.55 | odin_ | yes I must pay more attention to the "Limited Warranty" terms |
| 10:27.55 | timeless_mbp | that mindset is more suitable for openmoko devices |
| 10:28.09 | timeless_mbp | you're paying for a warranty |
| 10:28.12 | timeless_mbp | you should use it |
| 10:28.25 | odin_ | s/for a warranty/for a LIMITED warranty/ |
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| 10:28.41 | timeless_mbp | (and you're paying for support) |
| 10:28.42 | Jaffa | heads back for the prodding |
| 10:28.50 | woglinde | prodding? |
| 10:28.51 | canc | timeless_mbp: ok, in my world when a linux device freeze during the boot sequence, I try to see what's going wrong, I'm not used to this warranty things |
| 10:29.08 | Stskeeps | canc: if you're a linux hacker, then make a fbcon kernel and take it from there :P |
| 10:29.36 | canc | Stskeeps: I'll have a look at fbcon, I don't know yet what it is :) |
| 10:29.46 | mece | Hello, has anyone gotten google-album-art-downloader to work? |
| 10:30.00 | Stskeeps | canc: fbcon is the stuff to get you framebuffer console |
| 10:30.47 | canc | Stskeeps: It's what I'm reading :) |
| 10:30.55 | odin_ | goes and starts hacking a NOLO Yee-Haaaah! |
| 10:31.13 | Stskeeps | odin_: say bye bye to your soon-to-be-brick |
| 10:31.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:34.43 | odin_ | hmm I just realised the E72 batter us huge compared to N900 |
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| 10:35.11 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: i want to see that guy stick it in his pocket |
| 10:35.20 | RST38h | What are you talking about? |
| 10:35.24 | odin_ | but actually N900 is almost same capacity... 1320mAh v 1500mAh |
| 10:35.27 | RST38h | the chinese mid? |
| 10:35.30 | timeless_mbp | > Optima OP5-E resurfaces with English OS, gets lengthy video review |
| 10:35.36 | RST38h | ah ok |
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| 10:37.01 | sejo | how do I sync with ovi on the n900? |
| 10:37.22 | timeless_mbp | sejo: is that supported? |
| 10:37.33 | sejo | timeless_mbp: I hope so! |
| 10:37.52 | hrw | morning |
| 10:37.53 | derf | So what do I do when, 8 hours after uploading to the autobuilder, my packages still aren't in the repository and there's no mention of them in https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ ? |
| 10:38.09 | sejo | timeless_mbp: would be a serious foil if I can't sync my contacts/calendar with nothing but exchange |
| 10:38.09 | woglinde | hi hrw |
| 10:38.18 | sejo | s/foil/fai/ |
| 10:38.21 | sejo | s/foil/fail/ |
| 10:38.51 | timeless_mbp | sejo: um, there are 2 windows apps Nokia PC Suite and Ovi Suite |
| 10:39.03 | timeless_mbp | my experience w/ Ovi Suite was awful |
| 10:39.10 | sejo | timeless_mbp: on the site I can't add the n900 to the supported devices |
| 10:39.16 | timeless_mbp | i think it basically said "thanks for wasting your time downloading our junk, but we don't support you" |
| 10:39.25 | sejo | timeless_mbp: I don't use windows... ever... |
| 10:39.30 | sejo | lol |
| 10:39.31 | timeless_mbp | wine :) |
| 10:39.43 | mece | and cheese! |
| 10:39.50 | sejo | no way! |
| 10:39.51 | timeless_mbp | pc suite otoh can sync contacts/calendar/... to the n900 |
| 10:39.52 | hrw | timeless_mbp: my experience with any win32 nokia tools was awful |
| 10:39.53 | sejo | :p |
| 10:39.59 | mece | I use wine for spotify. |
| 10:40.18 | mece | speaking of which... |
| 10:40.30 | mece | gotta compile despotify for this baby! |
| 10:40.35 | timeless_mbp | (but pc suite sync kinda talks to outlook, which you probably wouldn't have) |
| 10:40.56 | zaheerm | derf, the autobuilder is stuck |
| 10:41.02 | johnx | has anyone looked into syncing with the evolution data server on the device? |
| 10:41.06 | johnx | there was some effort for maemo 4 |
| 10:41.06 | sejo | timeless_mbp: nope don't have it |
| 10:41.07 | zaheerm | derf, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ shows the backlog |
| 10:41.14 | johnx | sync-eveolution or something? |
| 10:41.23 | lucent | is the N900 screen likely to crack? I don't have one delivered yet, so I have questions about durability |
| 10:41.32 | sejo | just supporting syncML would be great |
| 10:41.40 | timeless_mbp | lucent: if you sit on it? |
| 10:41.40 | lucent | just wonder if it's going to survive being compressed inside a backpack |
| 10:41.41 | Stskeeps | lucent: mine has taken a fair beating so far |
| 10:41.42 | timeless_mbp | probably |
| 10:41.42 | derf | zaheerm: Oh, good, that was what I was looking for. |
| 10:41.44 | timeless_mbp | "don't do that" |
| 10:42.01 | timeless_mbp | oh, don't jump on it either! |
| 10:42.14 | lucent | more or less so than Apple product like iPhone or iPod ? |
| 10:42.16 | timeless_mbp | and no taking a hammer to the screen |
| 10:42.16 | sejo | a nail and a hammer would do the trick also |
| 10:42.21 | zaheerm | jeremiah, ping re: autobuilder being stuck probably due to erlang package |
| 10:42.22 | sejo | or a hammer alone |
| 10:42.25 | mece | lucent, it's not glass, so it wont crack like an iphone |
| 10:42.25 | timeless_mbp | sejo: =b |
| 10:42.49 | sejo | a nail alone would be a challenge though |
| 10:43.06 | johnx | sejo, you could probably use it to let the LC in your LCD out :) |
| 10:43.07 | lucent | thanks for the responses |
| 10:43.10 | mece | if it's a big nail and you use force, it should break easily. |
| 10:43.34 | sejo | lol johnx |
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| 10:44.08 | odin_ | ok I switched SIMs and now the N900 can use Vodafone internet ok, but E72 can not, so it is a Vodafone problem ! |
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| 10:45.02 | johnx | odin_, awesome! yeah I haven't heard of many people having problems like that |
| 10:45.14 | zaheerm | odin_, kick vodafone in the arse :) |
| 10:45.22 | johnx | and the reason it works: because you gave up earlier ;) |
| 10:45.44 | lucent | I'm pondering whether to bring an N900 with me when I'm doing sports like skiing/snowboarding |
| 10:46.04 | timeless_mbp | lucent: i'd skip taking it down w/ you when you go skuba diving :) |
| 10:46.05 | lucent | can take quite a beating in a breast pocket if I yard sale badly |
| 10:46.13 | timeless_mbp | s/skuba/scuba/ |
| 10:46.16 | johnx | lucent, that's what I keep "last gen" devices around for |
| 10:46.20 | Stskeeps | lucent: get a hard case for it? |
| 10:46.36 | lucent | Stskeeps: which hard case do you like for the N900? |
| 10:46.51 | Stskeeps | lucent: i have a pouch personally since i don't snowboard. |
| 10:47.10 | timeless_mbp | i'd probably just by a disposable phone for the slopes |
| 10:47.21 | range | As you cannot use the N900 with only one hand, it's not the perfect snowboard phone anyway :) |
| 10:47.32 | timeless_mbp | you're not really going to be doing a lot of GPS/Web Surfing as you go up or down.. |
| 10:47.42 | timeless_mbp | i suppose the lifts could be long.. |
| 10:47.54 | lucent | I was thinking about GPS |
| 10:48.02 | zemm | timeless_mbp: if i may ask stupidish question; few days ago you said something about problems (with flashing and out of sync?) if there were symlinks from /usr to secondary fs. Wouldn't flashing reset the rootfs and replace symlinks with real files and the previous files would be un-used abritrary files on eMMC? |
| 10:48.08 | timeless_mbp | did take an n800 or two and probably an n810 up on a gondola @whistler |
| 10:48.17 | lucent | to track my activity / ascent / descent |
| 10:48.29 | timeless_mbp | zemm: until you try too use the script |
| 10:48.34 | Stskeeps | lucent: get a gps collector gadget and unload afterwars |
| 10:48.39 | timeless_mbp | the point is your file system is out of sync |
| 10:48.39 | zemm | what script |
| 10:48.43 | zaheerm | or use ecoach |
| 10:48.49 | johnx | ah. I was going to say: "If you're relying on that GPS for life/death reasons, you're in line for a Darwin award." |
| 10:48.51 | timeless_mbp | whichever one makes the symlinks |
| 10:49.30 | timeless_mbp | lucent: i'd get a dedicated device for that |
| 10:49.39 | timeless_mbp | there are certainly devices for cyclists |
| 10:49.39 | lucent | okay |
| 10:49.42 | zemm | i was thinking about just doing it by hand in case i some day need =P |
| 10:49.50 | timeless_mbp | i'd be shocked if there aren't similar ones for skiers |
| 10:50.12 | timeless_mbp | zemm: again, the big problem is merging the data |
| 10:50.19 | timeless_mbp | which is virtually impossible |
| 10:50.25 | lucent | I've ordered a Zagg screen protector, and a Nokia CP321 case |
| 10:50.54 | zemm | but wouldn't the whole thing be reset with flashing? so all the files i may have moved to another fs, would be irrelevant and deleted? back to starting point |
| 10:51.29 | lucent | guess I'm just anxious for my N900 order to ship |
| 10:52.02 | zemm | well let me put it this way: if i flash the rootfs of my device, will all my installed applications be gone? |
| 10:52.16 | Stskeeps | zemm: yes, but some might remain on /opt on the internal SD |
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| 10:52.46 | zemm | that would sound like a potentially broken stuff :o |
| 10:53.04 | Stskeeps | zemm: personally i hope next SSU will wipe /opt at first boot, but hmm |
| 10:53.04 | sejo | lucent: the wait well be worted even without proper calendar/contacts syncing *grin* |
| 10:53.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:53.09 | johnx | zemm, yes, but at least you won't be able to easily uninstall it after reflashing |
| 10:53.21 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: that'd piss me off |
| 10:53.25 | timeless_mbp | i have media in there |
| 10:53.35 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: in the 2gb? :P |
| 10:53.39 | johnx | timeless, in /opt or ~MyDocs? |
| 10:53.44 | timeless_mbp | (it will be, but is not yet managed by a package) |
| 10:53.50 | timeless_mbp | in /opt |
| 10:53.57 | johnx | "don't do that" |
| 10:54.02 | johnx | ducks |
| 10:54.03 | Stskeeps | err i mean next fw image, not ssu |
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| 10:54.32 | timeless_mbp | so, "if user is dumb enough to reflash, let them lose /opt/*" ? |
| 10:54.40 | timeless_mbp | i could live w/ that |
| 10:54.49 | timeless_mbp | you roughly speaking need to do that |
| 10:54.52 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: right |
| 10:55.00 | timeless_mbp | but it needs a bigger warning than the one we have |
| 10:55.22 | johnx | I suggest replacing the users |
| 10:55.32 | sejo | lol |
| 10:55.34 | johnx | I did that at work and it's made a ton of difference |
| 10:56.11 | zemm | i know there is something that i don's understand here.. if there is folder /foo/bar on rootfs that would be wiped out with flashing, how can it be different if i had linked it to another fs, and it would be disconnected on flashing (link replaced by original dir, and me manually deleting the now disconnected /home/foo/bar) :( |
| 10:56.31 | sejo | bit hard for the cashflow usually johnx |
| 10:57.23 | johnx | sejo, well I changed jobs in the process, but from my point of view I stopped having teenagers using windows and now have adults using macs (and some linux!) |
| 10:57.46 | johnx | anyways, 3AM here. time for some sleep :) |
| 10:57.50 | johnx | 'night chaps |
| 10:58.17 | woglinde | nite johny |
| 10:58.20 | woglinde | args x |
| 11:00.07 | murrayc | Does anyone know of a desktop widget or status applet that's implemented with Qt? |
| 11:01.15 | woglinde | murrayc kde? |
| 11:01.19 | woglinde | should have a lot |
| 11:01.42 | Stskeeps | murrayc: there was a project re plasma on hildon desktop |
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| 11:02.00 | zaheerm | a hildon desktop widget/status applet? |
| 11:02.21 | woglinde | zaheerm qt |
| 11:02.25 | woglinde | not gtk |
| 11:02.32 | zaheerm | yes but for hildon desktop |
| 11:02.36 | zaheerm | not for kde right? |
| 11:02.37 | woglinde | yeah |
| 11:02.37 | murrayc | zaheerm: Yes. |
| 11:02.52 | woglinde | but maybee its no so diffrent |
| 11:02.59 | zaheerm | it shouldn't be much different from a gtk+ one |
| 11:03.04 | woglinde | dontknow howmany functions kdelibs warps |
| 11:03.11 | murrayc | zaheerm: I'm wondering how a qmake-based application would get a pkg-config variable, and I know that desktop widgets and status applets need to do that to discover the install locations. |
| 11:03.16 | VDVsx | murrayc, there's some silly demo in extras-devel |
| 11:03.29 | woglinde | hi VDVsx |
| 11:03.37 | VDVsx | woglinde, hey |
| 11:03.41 | murrayc | zaheerm: Well, it's a GTK+ based API - you have to derive a GObject. |
| 11:04.54 | lcuk | murrayc, at the summit Mek managed to get qt based desktop widgets running, whether they were the expected version or not im not sure, but its a lead. you might also call into #qt-maemo and ask there |
| 11:05.04 | murrayc | OK, thanks. |
| 11:05.19 | Stskeeps | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4078 |
| 11:05.19 | woglinde | gm lcuk |
| 11:05.21 | murrayc | Mek, do you have a URL for some code? |
| 11:05.45 | lcuk | mornin woglinde |
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| 11:08.39 | timeless_mbp | zemm: the assumption we have is that for any link you create once off the root fs |
| 11:08.48 | timeless_mbp | you're likely to want to recreate it later after reflashing |
| 11:08.55 | ersin | hmm is there any easy way of merging deprecated kernel drivers back into a new kernel? |
| 11:08.58 | woglinde | *sigh* I want newer debhelper in fremantle |
| 11:08.59 | timeless_mbp | the data that spans that link is going to be in a mixed state |
| 11:09.10 | timeless_mbp | woglinde: one where triggers work? |
| 11:09.19 | timeless_mbp | woglinde: you're greedy |
| 11:09.45 | timeless_mbp | wants en(us|gb) testers/speakers w/ n900s |
| 11:10.25 | woglinde | timeless_mbp nope where dh_override works |
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| 11:11.41 | odin_ | right the issue I think was lack of provisioning of Internet PacketData service on SIM, tut! |
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| 11:12.04 | zemm | so the point was just the case that i would do the linking again, to the old files (from before flashing?) which of course i would not do |
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| 11:12.10 | timeless_mbp | woglinde: bah. you're being lazy |
| 11:12.29 | timeless_mbp | zemm: why wouldn't you? |
| 11:12.36 | timeless_mbp | obviously you did it the first time |
| 11:12.48 | timeless_mbp | and note that the original discussion involved asking nokia to do this |
| 11:12.57 | timeless_mbp | you're free to do whatever the heck you lik |
| 11:13.01 | timeless_mbp | s/lik/like/ |
| 11:13.14 | zemm | when i did it the first time, i copied the files as they were in the moment the linking was done |
| 11:13.20 | timeless_mbp | but if what you do happens to change how the system works for more than just you, we have problems |
| 11:13.55 | timeless_mbp | zemm: again, your /opt will be horribly out of sycn |
| 11:13.59 | timeless_mbp | s/sycn/sync |
| 11:14.24 | zemm | of course. my main point of asking in the first place was just that usually there is always something about anything that you might not know |
| 11:14.31 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps is right, the only safe way to do it is rm -rf /opt/* |
| 11:14.31 | woglinde | timeless_mbp sure why do want rework debian packages |
| 11:14.34 | woglinde | to older cruft |
| 11:14.47 | zemm | eg. would be that for some mysterious hack the whole symlink would not work in the first place :) |
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| 11:15.00 | woglinde | now I am trying imagemagick |
| 11:15.01 | zemm | as it would in general linux |
| 11:15.10 | timeless_mbp | parse error |
| 11:15.12 | timeless_mbp | gives up |
| 11:15.20 | timeless_mbp | there are a couple of issues |
| 11:15.30 | derf | woglinde: I wanted a newer debhelper in bora. |
| 11:15.35 | derf | Good luck with that. |
| 11:15.38 | timeless_mbp | 1. /opt isn't mounted at the beginning of the boot process, no idea when it comes |
| 11:15.49 | timeless_mbp | 2. dealing w/ /opt across flashings is painful |
| 11:16.02 | woglinde | derf lol |
| 11:16.08 | woglinde | I never touched bora |
| 11:16.13 | woglinde | nor will I |
| 11:16.15 | derf | You shouldn't have. |
| 11:16.30 | woglinde | despite the old days to get pptp running on N700 |
| 11:16.47 | woglinde | hm whats -R for an gcc option |
| 11:17.23 | derf | It's a linker option. |
| 11:17.33 | woglinde | ~lart imagemagick |
| 11:17.33 | infobot | puts imagemagick into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of imagemagick's hair of |
| 11:20.06 | woglinde | ~lart imagemagick for not understanding autotools and libtool |
| 11:20.06 | infobot | executes killall -KILL imagemagick for not understanding autotools and libtool |
| 11:20.26 | derf | _Nobody_ understands autotools and libtool. |
| 11:20.31 | derf | Anyone who claims to is lying to you. |
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| 11:21.05 | woglinde | haha |
| 11:21.05 | woglinde | I am not a liar |
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| 11:21.05 | derf | I don't believe you. |
| 11:21.06 | woglinde | your problem |
| 11:21.06 | derf | If you "understand" them, perhaps you can tell me why it insisted on adding `cygpath -w ...` around all of my source files. |
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| 11:21.06 | derf | Despite the fact that I am in no way using cygwin, or any other Windows thing. |
| 11:21.06 | homeasvs | if anyone is a maemo admin or knows one, please, take a look at the fremantle devel build queue |
| 11:21.06 | derf | homeasvs: It's building my package finally! |
| 11:21.06 | derf | Don't make them kill it now. |
| 11:21.07 | timeless | heh |
| 11:21.07 | derf | 17 minutes to build something that takes a few seconds on my 3 year old laptop. |
| 11:21.07 | woglinde | derf more context |
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| 11:21.22 | homeasvs | derf, which is yours, and how do you know it's building ? |
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| 11:21.42 | zaheerm | homeasvs, i think something has cleared up it's building more packages now |
| 11:21.55 | zemm | how can it even be that the /opt is left as it is after flashing, isn't there essential files in rootfs for every optified application (desktop files, icons etc) so those won't work anyway, and what about package management data (wiped in flashing?), would those applications partially in the system appear not installed anyway? |
| 11:22.17 | woglinde | derf show me the code |
| 11:23.28 | VDVsx | derf, you know the 770 is a bit slower than your laptop ;) |
| 11:23.29 | timeless_mbp | zemm: i'm pretty sure no one thought about the consequences of /opt installed stuff for flashing |
| 11:23.47 | zemm | in "clean" (flashed) system, should there be something in /opt or would it be just rm -r /opt/* like you said |
| 11:23.54 | homeasvs | hm, but still no update on my erlang build |
| 11:24.01 | derf | woglinde: ./configure --host=c6x-linux --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu lead to build lines like |
| 11:24.04 | derf | /home/derf/bin/c64x-cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../include -I../include -D_V_SELFTEST -O -I/opt/TI/C6000CGT6.1.12/include -c -o test_bitwise-bitwise.obj `cygpath -w bitwise.c` |
| 11:24.07 | timeless_mbp | afaik /opt should be empty |
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| 11:24.21 | timeless_mbp | but you'd need rm -rf /opt/.* /opt/* |
| 11:24.31 | homeasvs | X-Fade, ping |
| 11:24.40 | timeless_mbp | (probably better to do: |
| 11:24.40 | derf | woglinde: Code is at http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=ogg-c64x.git;a=summary |
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| 11:24.53 | timeless_mbp | mv /home/opt /home/opt.dying |
| 11:24.58 | timeless_mbp | mkdir /home/opt |
| 11:25.05 | timeless_mbp | rm -rf /home/opt.dying & |
| 11:25.07 | timeless_mbp | ) |
| 11:25.08 | zaheerm | derf, cool you building the theora dsp packages? |
| 11:25.17 | derf | zaheerm: I'm building broken ones. |
| 11:25.17 | lardman|home | morning |
| 11:25.23 | derf | They build, but they don't work. |
| 11:25.37 | lardman|home | timeless_mbp! |
| 11:25.42 | lardman|home | did you see my messages? |
| 11:25.46 | derf | homeasvs: I'm finally getting output under https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ |
| 11:25.52 | RST38h | hey, lardman, wanna chat about those subtitles some more? |
| 11:25.57 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 11:26.00 | derf | homeasvs: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gjiten_2.6-1maemo3/summary.log |
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| 11:26.17 | lardman|home | RST38h: subtitles, as in the brainstorm/bug thing? |
| 11:26.23 | homeasvs | derf, ah, ok, so that's what it should look like if it passed one builder :) |
| 11:26.25 | lardman|home | RST38h: if it's quick, have work to do really |
| 11:26.27 | homeasvs | guess I'll be waiting some more |
| 11:26.41 | derf | homeasvs: Yeah, note the timestamps... 17 minutes just for ARM. |
| 11:26.45 | derf | Maybe x86 will be faster? |
| 11:26.54 | derf | I don't know. I didn't even bother to test it on x86. |
| 11:27.03 | derf | But the old version used to work there. |
| 11:27.10 | lardman|home | anyone know about brainstorm btw, do I need to promote my "ideas"? |
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| 11:27.31 | zaheerm | derf, why broken ones? :) |
| 11:27.38 | derf | zaheerm: I wish I knew! |
| 11:27.41 | timeless_mbp | lardman|home: join other channel |
| 11:28.08 | timeless_mbp | zaheerm: there's no fun in building working ones |
| 11:28.12 | timeless_mbp | nothing to do ! :) |
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| 11:28.24 | lardman|home | timeless_mbp: what was the chan name? |
| 11:28.25 | myrtti | hm, what was my quit message? |
| 11:28.35 | RST38h | lardman: I have checked gst-plugins-base in Maemo5 and upstream |
| 11:28.54 | RST38h | lardman: The upstream HAS a plugin to show subtitles and also the plugins to parse them from .sub/.srt |
| 11:28.55 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: remote closed the connection |
| 11:28.58 | Myrtti | right |
| 11:29.01 | derf | But after 8+ hours fighting with autotools, I'm starting to care a lot less. |
| 11:29.02 | Myrtti | irssi crashed |
| 11:29.12 | sejo | johnx: that is a big advancement! |
| 11:29.13 | RST38h | lardman: The Maemo5 package does not have them, even at the source level in the git |
| 11:29.15 | lardman|home | RST38h: what's the name of the overall wrapper? |
| 11:29.25 | RST38h | lardman: showsubtitles.[ch] |
| 11:29.30 | lardman|home | RST38h: well I compiled and installed subparse, but no joy |
| 11:29.33 | RST38h | lardman: It is just TWO files |
| 11:29.43 | timeless_mbp | Myrtti: nice |
| 11:29.50 | RST38h | lardman: Which are parts of the base gst distro |
| 11:29.52 | derf | I think autotools and libtool have done more to set back the progress of open source software than anything Microsoft or any other evil corporate empire could ever have devised. |
| 11:29.59 | RST38h | lardman: subparse alone will not work unless you have these |
| 11:30.08 | lardman|home | oh ok |
| 11:30.35 | zaheerm | RST38h, yes but the media player has to set properties on the playbin2 element to display them |
| 11:30.36 | lardman|home | derf: +10 |
| 11:30.36 | RST38h | zaheerm: this may be in a config file somewhere, I would talk to ab (aka abbra) about it |
| 11:30.51 | lardman|home | zaheerm: the gst page reckons it should just work with playbin |
| 11:30.52 | RST38h | he knows where to look |
| 11:31.34 | RST38h | lardman: You have time to wait until I find the relevant URLs again? |
| 11:31.35 | lardman|home | sure |
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| 11:31.49 | zaheerm | lardman, suburi : Optional URI of a subtitle |
| 11:31.49 | zaheerm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.49 | zaheerm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.58 | zaheerm | lardman, for external subtitles.... |
| 11:32.04 | lardman|home | yep |
| 11:32.13 | zaheerm | so it needs to be set |
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| 11:32.22 | lardman|home | that's a playbin property? |
| 11:32.32 | zaheerm | yes |
| 11:32.36 | zaheerm | playbin2 property |
| 11:33.30 | lardman|home | Could you add that to this?: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/support_subtitles_in_media_player |
| 11:33.30 | lardman|home | or we can re-open the bug |
| 11:33.30 | lardman|home | as I hate brainstorm |
| 11:33.49 | RST38h | lardman: #1: search for subtitleoverlay here: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html |
| 11:33.51 | timeless_mbp | lardman|home: heh |
| 11:34.07 | zaheerm | lardman|home, yah better in a bug i think... |
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| 11:34.38 | woglinde | derf bahahahahaa look .msi its really evil |
| 11:34.38 | lardman|home | zaheerm: Quim wanted it moved to brainstorm.... |
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| 11:34.55 | zaheerm | lardman|home, well that brainstorm is very vague |
| 11:35.03 | lardman|home | very rubbish imo |
| 11:35.07 | timeless_mbp | roughly speaking, the internal bugzilla doesn't handle enhancements |
| 11:35.09 | RST38h | lardman: #2: source code in HEAD: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-base/tree/gst/playback |
| 11:35.14 | timeless_mbp | historically anyway |
| 11:35.17 | lardman|home | timeless_mbp: ah |
| 11:35.31 | timeless_mbp | and to the extent that our goal is to entice engineers (and managers) into the public one |
| 11:35.35 | derf | woglinde: Yes, but I don't have to use it. |
| 11:35.41 | timeless_mbp | we need to make them feel at home |
| 11:35.44 | lardman|home | zaheerm, RST38h, hang on a tick, let me find you the bug number |
| 11:35.45 | RST38h | lardman: #3: Maemo sources of gst: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle-20091116/source/gst-plugins-base0.10/gst/playback/ |
| 11:35.49 | timeless_mbp | they like tracking "bugs" |
| 11:35.51 | woglinde | derf do you have a svn/git somewhere? |
| 11:35.54 | RST38h | lardman: this is it |
| 11:35.55 | timeless_mbp | and get very confused by "features" |
| 11:35.59 | woglinde | jo lardman |
| 11:36.12 | derf | I just gave you a pointer to the git repository? |
| 11:36.17 | woglinde | hms |
| 11:36.23 | timeless_mbp | note: i think the fact that our managers can't handle this is a bug in our managers |
| 11:36.26 | timeless_mbp | but it's hard to fix them |
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| 11:36.46 | SpeedEvil | timeless: file a bug |
| 11:36.48 | timeless_mbp | RST38h++ |
| 11:37.05 | zemm | i added .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon , is there some command that reloads those? |
| 11:37.06 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: i'm still trying to get nokia to spell the capital of mexico correctly |
| 11:37.10 | timeless_mbp | i can't find the right bug tracker |
| 11:37.21 | timeless_mbp | zemm: you looked in more... ? |
| 11:37.24 | woglinde | derf uh so you are the ogg dsp devloper |
| 11:37.28 | SpeedEvil | timeless: That's silly. 'M'. |
| 11:37.31 | lardman|home | ~lart bugzilla for not showning closed bugs under "My Bugs" |
| 11:37.31 | infobot | gives bugzilla a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for not showning closed bugs under "My Bugs" |
| 11:37.43 | derf | woglinde: I am not, actually, but I will ultimately be maintaining the code. |
| 11:37.48 | zemm | timeless? |
| 11:37.48 | timeless_mbp | lardman|home: um |
| 11:37.52 | RST38h | lardman: got all three urls? |
| 11:38.00 | lardman|home | bug 6464 |
| 11:38.02 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6464 Support Subtitles in Media Player |
| 11:38.21 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?newquery=bug_status%3DUNCONFIRMED%26bug_status%3DNEW%26bug_status%3DASSIGNED%26bug_status%3DREOPENED%26email1%3Dtimeless%40gmail.com%26emailassigned_to1%3D1%26emailreporter1%3D1%26emailtype1%3Dexact%26field-1-0-0%3Dbug_status%26field-1-1-0%3Dassigned_to%26field-1-1-1%3Dreporter%26query_format%3Dadvanced%26remaction%3D%26type-1-0-0%3Danyexact%26type-1-1-0%3Danyexact%26type-1-1-1%3Danyexact%26value-1-0-0%3DUNCONFIRMED%2CNE |
| 11:38.26 | woglinde | derf hm ah its libogg forked |
| 11:38.27 | timeless | => lardman |
| 11:38.29 | lardman|home | RST38h: yes, but not going to have any chance to look at it for a couple of weeks |
| 11:38.30 | timeless | eep |
| 11:38.30 | plr_ | nice url |
| 11:38.34 | timeless | did i screw that up? |
| 11:38.36 | timeless | i did, sorry, hold |
| 11:38.40 | lardman|home | RST38h: Xisdibik was the man who was really after support |
| 11:38.48 | plr_ | maybe tinyurl it? |
| 11:39.11 | RST38h | lardman: I know you can handle this stuff, not sure about Xisdibik |
| 11:39.13 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?newquery=bug_file_loc%3D%26bug_file_loc_type%3Dallwordssubstr%26bug_id%3D%26bugidtype%3Dinclude%26chfieldfrom%3D%26chfieldto%3DNow%26chfieldvalue%3D%26email1%3Dtimeless%40gmail.com%26email2%3D%26emailassigned_to1%3D1%26emailreporter1%3D1%26emailtype1%3Dexact%26emailtype2%3Dsubstring%26field-1-0-0%3Dassigned_to%26field-1-0-1%3Dreporter%26field0-0-0%3Dnoop%26keywords%3D%26keywords_type%3Dallwords%26long_desc%3D%26long_desc |
| 11:39.16 | timeless | arg |
| 11:39.19 | timeless | no, no no |
| 11:39.23 | lardman|home | Quim's comment was: |
| 11:39.24 | lardman|home | The scope of bugs.maemo.org are bugs and only very specific and no-brainer |
| 11:39.24 | lardman|home | enhancement requests. This report contains a feature request that is too |
| 11:39.24 | lardman|home | generic for bugs.maemo.org. Please post this problem and propose your |
| 11:39.24 | lardman|home | solution in Maemo Brainstorm instead: |
| 11:39.30 | timeless | kicks bugzilla |
| 11:39.37 | lardman|home | joins in |
| 11:39.44 | derf | woglinde: Right. I am unforking as much as possible. |
| 11:39.51 | zaheerm | lardman|home, i added a comment to the brainstorm |
| 11:39.52 | hrw | kicks brainstorm idea |
| 11:39.55 | homeasvs | does ovi maps seriously have no way to create bookmarks or waypoints ? |
| 11:39.58 | timeless | does our bugzilla not do pronouns? |
| 11:40.00 | lardman|home | zaheerm: thanks |
| 11:40.09 | timeless | homeasvs: correct |
| 11:40.15 | timeless | why would you want those? |
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| 11:40.18 | lardman|home | anyone know if I need to promote a brainstorm idea or something? |
| 11:40.20 | timeless | it's not like it supports navigation either |
| 11:40.24 | derf | homeasvs: Ovi maps is a joke. You should just pretend it doesn't exist. |
| 11:40.33 | RST38h | brainstorm ideas are kinda pointless :( |
| 11:40.41 | range | lardman|home: To get it out of waiting? I'd also like to know that. |
| 11:40.48 | homeasvs | I know it's a joke, but I can't even imaging nokia releasing it without some basic features |
| 11:40.55 | RST38h | promote, no promote, it does not matter |
| 11:40.59 | derf | homeasvs: But that's the funny part! |
| 11:41.19 | lardman|home | RST38h: no-one can see it otherwise though |
| 11:41.31 | lardman|home | which means I've wasted time |
| 11:41.37 | sejo | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/pim_support/ <-- so it should work? |
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| 11:43.20 | range | sejo: Well, there is PIM support in 5. Not that you could sync it with anything else than Windows, but it is there. |
| 11:43.39 | derf | Is there any way to tell the autobuilder _not_ to build x86 packages? |
| 11:43.42 | woglinde | bye |
| 11:43.57 | X-Fade | derf: Sure, just specify armel only at the arch. |
| 11:44.00 | woglinde | def hm per arch |
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| 11:44.09 | woglinde | x-fade *g* |
| 11:44.10 | sejo | range: ok |
| 11:44.22 | X-Fade | Argh, why does freenode op me all the time ;) |
| 11:44.38 | sejo | X-Fade: because fou set autoop |
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| 11:44.43 | derf | Ah, in place of "any"? |
| 11:44.44 | sejo | s/fou/you/ |
| 11:45.12 | derf | I mean, it _should_ work. But it fails, and the error message is completely useless. |
| 11:45.14 | X-Fade | sejo: Nah, I didn't but I guess that is a side effect of me becoming founder. |
| 11:45.30 | timeless_mbp | ok, i give up |
| 11:45.35 | derf | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/sbox-i486-pc-linux-gnu-strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `debian/gjiten-dics/usr/bin/gjiten_setdic' |
| 11:45.40 | lardman|home | X-Fade: it's because it missed you |
| 11:45.45 | sejo | X-Fade: that can be also remove the O mode |
| 11:45.47 | hrw | timeless_mbp: on what? |
| 11:46.05 | derf | That's the only reference to setdic at all... I'm not sure it even re-built it after the ARM compile. |
| 11:46.07 | timeless_mbp | writing the bugzilla query i wanted to give out |
| 11:46.14 | timeless_mbp | lardman|home: roughly, you can save any query you like |
| 11:46.22 | timeless_mbp | i'd recommend saving one that makes sense |
| 11:46.35 | lcuk | cheers for the safe return of X-Fade :D |
| 11:46.57 | timeless_mbp | hates high latency to Jaffa |
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| 11:48.43 | ab | zaheerm, RST38h: http://gitorious.org/mafw-gst-eq-renderer/mafw-gst-eq-renderer/blobs/master/libmafw-gst-renderer/mafw-gst-renderer-worker.c#line1724 |
| 11:49.27 | xorAxAx | hrw: doesnt sound too good |
| 11:50.30 | ab | zaheerm, I guess you could ask Juan to include suburi configuration in his equalizer fork so that both can be combined |
| 11:52.10 | hrw | xorAxAx: thats how they work ;( |
| 11:52.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade: how's the catchup going? Lots of packages changes to enact :/ |
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| 11:53.11 | zaheerm | ab, line 1757 - 1762 of that file is used in n900? |
| 11:53.34 | ab | zaheerm, it is fork of what is used. |
| 11:53.43 | hrw | question about maemo.gitorious.org I have: how often code from there is built/packaged? or users are expected to track changes, do builds and upgrade own devices? |
| 11:53.47 | zaheerm | ab, ah wait that is only for plkaybin1 |
| 11:53.49 | VDVsx | hey X-Fade, we need to discuss some stuff about the q&a improvements, when you have some time please poke me :) |
| 11:54.25 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Catching up goes.. well... what should I say ;) |
| 11:54.25 | ab | zaheerm, it tries to instantiate playbin2 and falls back to playbin if that has failed |
| 11:55.05 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Sure, any discussions I need to look at? |
| 11:55.21 | ab | hrw, when appropriate projects consider code quality. For many projects m.g.o is the primary place where development happens. Our build system is capable to build straight from m.g.o |
| 11:55.26 | VDVsx | X-Fade, yes, 1 sec |
| 11:57.30 | hrw | ab: and those projects will do releases of packages independent from firmware releases? |
| 11:57.30 | ab | hrw, currently not. I hope this will change with Harmattan. |
| 11:57.30 | Myrtti | *yawn* |
| 11:57.48 | hrw | ab: so m.g.o exists but users have to wait for official firmware releases (which dates are never known) or do builds on their own? |
| 11:57.48 | ab | hrw, it is more on higher level how product is gathered together and deployed. We supply code :) |
| 11:58.18 | ab | hrw, I do not see it different to any other distributions. |
| 11:58.46 | hrw | ab: I use debian 'sid' and got used to get new version of XYC when XYC project released new version |
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| 12:00.36 | ab | hrw, in case of debian you depend on Debian's machinery and integration system. I.e. package maintainers upload packages to build servers and then they are pushed to repositories. It is same here, with a difference that the people and scripts who are "pushing to the repositories" different from maintainers and have their own schedule. |
| 12:00.47 | zaheerm | ab, MAFW_GST_RENDERER_DISABLE_PULSE_VOLUME is defined or not defined in fremantle? |
| 12:01.05 | ab | zaheerm, I'm not a developer for MAFW, so can't say for sure. |
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| 12:01.15 | thp | does anyone know how to charge a BL-5J (N900 battery) in a N810? |
| 12:01.28 | zaheerm | ab, if it is not defined, it sets flags such that text is disabled... |
| 12:01.37 | Jaffa | thp: small wires and cable clips? |
| 12:01.45 | Jaffa | thp: carefully? |
| 12:01.47 | zaheerm | ab, who is relevant to ask? |
| 12:02.19 | ab | zaheerm, I think if you want to add subtitles, you anyway would need to modify the code along lines I've shown. So it makes sense to combine your effort with what Juan is doing. |
| 12:02.32 | Myrtti | Jaffa: reminds me of the old joke "how do hedgehogs have sex" |
| 12:02.43 | VDVsx | X-Fade, http://n2.nabble.com/Quality-Assurance-and-Extras-testing-discussion-on-IRC-td3945607.html#a3945607 and http://n2.nabble.com/Follow-up-from-QA-meeting-on-IRC-td3990526.html#a3990526 |
| 12:02.43 | SpeedEvil | thp: connect the + and - terminals to a laboratory power supply set at 4.20V, and a current limit of 0.8A. Leave for a couple of hours. Verify the voltage limit is in fact 4.2V and stable before connecting battery. Once current falls to under 0.08A, terminate charge. |
| 12:02.44 | VDVsx | X-Fade, but there more things to discuss |
| 12:02.50 | Jaffa | Myrtti: :) |
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| 12:02.58 | SpeedEvil | Myrtti: Red wine, soft candlelight, ... |
| 12:03.10 | zaheerm | ab, is juan on irc? |
| 12:03.20 | RST38h | ab: Got a question |
| 12:03.23 | ab | zaheerm, I don't even know him directly. :) |
| 12:03.28 | Jaffa | Someone should develop a GPS overlay on map app for two people to rendezvous with |
| 12:03.29 | lcuk | marshmallows |
| 12:03.31 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Ok, I'll try to see if we can discuss this somewhere later in the week. |
| 12:03.38 | ab | zaheerm, his contact info is in the file |
| 12:03.50 | SpeedEvil | wonders if tangoGPS would do that |
| 12:03.59 | SpeedEvil | I know it had that feature at one point |
| 12:04.04 | Jaffa | So I could see how far away timeless was and if he was going in right direction |
| 12:04.07 | RST38h | ab: Looks like gst-plugins-base HEAD has got the subtitle renderer and the srt/sub file parsers |
| 12:04.19 | RST38h | ab: The renderer itself is just two files (c/h) by the way |
| 12:04.24 | zaheerm | ab, thx |
| 12:04.26 | ab | RST38h, see above |
| 12:04.29 | lardman|home | Jaffa: I have a plugin for emerillon to do that |
| 12:04.31 | RST38h | ab: Maemo5 version of gst-plugins-base does not have these |
| 12:04.36 | lardman|home | Jaffa: but we lack location data |
| 12:04.39 | xorAxAx | does the n900 support syncml over http out of the box=? |
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| 12:04.46 | zaheerm | ab, thx i got it |
| 12:04.51 | RST38h | ab: Is it possible to compile these files into a gst plugin and somehow configure maemo5 to use it? |
| 12:04.56 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Isn't it sort-of what Google Lattitude is about? But more ad-hoc |
| 12:05.10 | ab | RST38h, see above, I had some suggestion to Zaheer |
| 12:05.17 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: I dunno - never investigated |
| 12:07.30 | zash | Jaffa, SpeedEvil: wat? Publish your position? |
| 12:07.30 | thp | SpeedEvil: wouldn't the N810 charging circuit take care of not overcharging the battery? |
| 12:07.30 | Myrtti | Google Latitude ⥠|
| 12:07.31 | zash | gah, netsplit :( |
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| 12:08.20 | zash | Jaffa, SpeedEvil: wat? Publish your position? (damn netsplit) |
| 12:08.24 | zash | you can do that with xmpp :D |
| 12:08.24 | xorAxAx | hrw: do you know whether the n900 supports syncml over http? |
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| 12:08.24 | hrw | ab: as you are mmedia guy maybe you can answer me question. Can maemo5 get gst-modplug plugin back? |
| 12:08.24 | hrw | xorAxAx: I do not have n900 |
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| 12:08.25 | ab | hrw, ask ensonic, it is his area |
| 12:08.35 | hrw | ~seen ensonic |
| 12:08.37 | infobot | i haven't seen 'ensonic', hrw |
| 12:08.59 | hrw | ab: I would report it as wishlist bug but then someone will close my bug as invalid and say 'add this to brainstorm' |
| 12:09.09 | hrw | and maemo5 brainstorm page suxx |
| 12:09.15 | lardman|home | regarding Latitude, which would really be more useful anyway, as other people use it and it's therefore de facto, there are some hints of an api that it might be possiblke to use |
| 12:09.19 | LinuxCode | lcuk, if you give out exam question for a-levels, why not this one: |
| 12:09.23 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shortlink |
| 12:09.33 | RST38h | lardman: looks like the position reporting api is not public |
| 12:09.41 | RST38h | lardman: so, no doughnut again =( |
| 12:09.56 | LinuxCode | Tick the following to receive the equivalent grade: |
| 12:10.01 | LinuxCode | A. A |
| 12:10.33 | thp | Jaffa: ok, i got it working now by putting a small plastic piece in the battery area, and it's charging now without wires :) |
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| 12:10.33 | LinuxCode | B. B |
| 12:10.34 | LinuxCode | C. C |
| 12:10.34 | lardman|home | zash: i understand there are issues with getting it implemented for the N900 |
| 12:10.34 | lardman|home | Robot101: ? |
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| 12:10.56 | SpeedEvil | http://osm.org/go/evf1h3zvH-- |
| 12:11.16 | lardman|home | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=393749&postcount=52 |
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| 12:15.32 | SpeedEvil | np: Bob the Builder - Can We Fix It. |
| 12:15.32 | LinuxCode | sejo, you booked the wrong break time hehe |
| 12:15.32 | homeasvs | ironic how the n900 icon for 'profiles' is one pie piece out of 4 when the device only supports 2 profiles |
| 12:15.33 | sejo | eheh |
| 12:15.33 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
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| 12:15.33 | RST38h | homeasvs: what is more important, it is the inedible bluish piece that you are supposed to swallow |
| 12:15.33 | lcuk | lc, nice to see you around anyways, hows uni goin |
| 12:15.33 | lardman|home | I wonder if sending data to this service would make us appear on Latitude: http://code.google.com/apis/gears/geolocation_network_protocol.html |
| 12:17.26 | derf | homeasvs: That's one more than previous devices supported. |
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| 12:18.02 | SpeedEvil | lardman|home: there is a plugin for microb to do location |
| 12:18.02 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it works thoug |
| 12:18.17 | RST38h | it works but is quite useless right now |
| 12:18.17 | wazd | reheya all |
| 12:18.32 | wazd | some additional nap killed the pain a bit |
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| 12:18.56 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: it does work |
| 12:19.05 | lardman|home | but we need to give data to Latitude too |
| 12:19.05 | lcuk | :( wazd, dentist nearby? |
| 12:19.27 | SpeedEvil | lardman|home: I assumed that it would autostartup the location service |
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| 12:19.54 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: does it not? |
| 12:19.56 | wazd | lcuk: yes, but now I only have to eat painkillers |
| 12:20.01 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: I think it does |
| 12:20.01 | SpeedEvil | wazd: take a ~100W or so amplifier. Play a sine or squarewave at perhaps 10-100Hz. |
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| 12:20.47 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Have you forgotten something? |
| 12:21.11 | SpeedEvil | wazd: Take two stainless steel teaspoons, wrap most in cling-film, only allowing the tips to protrude, and connect speaker wires to ends. Apply to either side of gum in question. |
| 12:21.11 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Like contact pads to be connected to his penis? |
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| 12:21.11 | lcuk | wazd, ahhh you got an abscess? course of antibiotics to reduce swelling? |
| 12:21.11 | SpeedEvil | wazd: Now, turn the volume up until it's slightly uncomfortable. |
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| 12:21.16 | RST38h | Oh, yes, he isn't forgetting the really important stuff |
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| 12:21.16 | SpeedEvil | wazd: the pain goes away and stays away for some hours |
| 12:21.32 | lcuk | and you humm britney songs for the rest of the aftenroon |
| 12:21.44 | SpeedEvil | http://www.skylarkdevice.com/sd_612dt.htm |
| 12:21.47 | SpeedEvil | It actually works |
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| 12:21.59 | SpeedEvil | though most dentists don't use audio amps :) |
| 12:22.11 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i once had to use TENS for back trouble |
| 12:22.13 | lcuk | they are great |
| 12:22.51 | SpeedEvil | It took the pain - from an abscess I couldn't get sorted immediately from 'can't sleep, even with painkillers' to 'hmm, my tooth feels wierd'. |
| 12:23.03 | lcuk | wazd, that link doesnt tell you the one main instruction, the person administering this to you has to rub the spoons together and shout "CLEAR!" |
| 12:23.04 | tigert | hmm |
| 12:23.06 | tigert | stopwatch app |
| 12:23.08 | tigert | nice |
| 12:23.21 | SpeedEvil | tigert: the eggtimer app is nice too |
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| 12:25.29 | wazd | oh, DDP discounted device is 250 euro for me :) |
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| 12:25.38 | lardman|home | so what do we reckon about location then? |
| 12:25.44 | lardman|home | Robot101: are you about? |
| 12:25.58 | mece | wazd, are the DDP devices delivered? |
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| 12:26.22 | wazd | mece: looks like they have started |
| 12:26.24 | SpeedEvil | Due to an unfortunate clerical error, they are all on top of Everest. |
| 12:26.36 | SpeedEvil | wazd: neat. |
| 12:26.51 | wazd | SpeedEvil: I can't receive it anyway, so muhaha :D |
| 12:27.05 | hrw | wazd: started? or rather you got it possible to order? |
| 12:27.17 | wazd | hrw: well, second :) |
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| 12:27.31 | tigert | eggtimer doesnt want to start |
| 12:27.34 | SpeedEvil | wazd: :( |
| 12:27.39 | hrw | wazd: I ordered one 4 weeks ago. already lost any hope that they will deliver |
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| 12:29.37 | RST38h | wazd: have you made the order? |
| 12:30.42 | wazd | RST38h: no, I gave my account to Ed bartosh :) |
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| 12:31.04 | X-Fade | wazd: That is cheating ;) |
| 12:31.41 | RST38h | Ah, X-Fade.... |
| 12:31.46 | RST38h | Here you are... |
| 12:32.05 | RST38h | wazd: Hey, you are gonna stay deviceless this way =) |
| 12:32.31 | wazd | X-Fade: cheating is to give a discount without being able to ship it :) |
| 12:33.03 | wazd | RST38h: I'm fine with that |
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| 12:34.17 | wazd | RST38h: I can always buy it from Dell for 450 usd, you know ;) |
| 12:34.32 | RST38h | X-Fade: How about finally lowering Extras promotion threshold to 5? |
| 12:34.34 | wazd | RST38h: with full warranty and stuff :) |
| 12:34.57 | RST38h | X-Fade: This has been agreed during an IRC meeting, with jeremiah, but nobody is willing to change your code without you |
| 12:35.07 | RST38h | wazd: Actually, not a bad idea |
| 12:35.26 | RST38h | wazd: I should be traveling to US in march, so if you are willing to wait that long, it can be arranged |
| 12:36.32 | wazd | RST38h: I don't mind to :) |
| 12:37.26 | odin_ | what is the country list it is currently shipping in ? |
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| 12:38.54 | Acedip | how to resolve DNS issues in maemo 5 sdk, its not connecting to the site, but only to the IPs |
| 12:38.56 | Acedip | ? |
| 12:39.49 | zaheerm | Acedip, copy your host resolv.conf to /etc in scratchbox |
| 12:39.51 | mece | hey how do I ask a link from the infobot? Is it automagical? |
| 12:40.12 | zaheerm | Acedip, most likely you're on a laptop and you changed your net connection since that was updated |
| 12:40.14 | odin_ | do you understand chineese? I watched a utube video by a HK lass posted yesterday, there was a lot of cut'n'paste with /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:40.43 | apol | is it possible to sync maemo's calendar with any korganizer or google calendar? |
| 12:40.58 | RST38h | yes to google cal |
| 12:41.04 | RST38h | although not always |
| 12:41.09 | zaheerm | apol, i'm working on native google calendar multi calendar sync |
| 12:41.34 | zaheerm | apol, i have a command line app that works for a one way sync, putting UI on it in my spare time currently |
| 12:41.34 | apol | zaheerm: working means not-yet? :P |
| 12:41.43 | apol | oh |
| 12:41.44 | apol | i see |
| 12:41.50 | DerSaidin | is on N900 :D |
| 12:41.56 | zaheerm | apol, http://github.com/zaheerm/mgcalsync |
| 12:42.01 | apol | so it's just importing, not sync'ing? |
| 12:42.20 | zaheerm | apol, it is one way currently, but will be two way later |
| 12:42.26 | apol | oh ok |
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| 12:42.51 | zaheerm | apol, there is a brainstorm on this |
| 12:42.58 | mece | looking for the extras-testing Q |
| 12:43.07 | apol | zaheerm: brainstorm on what? |
| 12:43.36 | zaheerm | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/google_calendar-contacts_synchronization/ |
| 12:44.11 | odin_ | "Internal error. Application 'web' closed." first one of those! |
| 12:44.26 | odin_ | many more to come I fear |
| 12:44.39 | Acedip | hm..the browser gave me a security warning for twitter.com |
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| 12:44.52 | apol | zaheerm: so is there any stable sync'ing method? |
| 12:44.57 | DerSaidin | this terminal needs an alt key |
| 12:45.03 | zaheerm | apol, currently, no |
| 12:45.13 | zaheerm | apol, but bote yes on the brainstorm |
| 12:45.17 | zaheerm | s/bote/vote/ |
| 12:45.34 | hrw | btw - how to check maemo version in sdk? there is no 'about product' in settings |
| 12:46.18 | RST38h | hrw: Go to the menu where it lists bootstraps |
| 12:46.28 | RST38h | versions will be there |
| 12:46.42 | SpeedEvil | Where do I file a bug against the stupid rubbery charging cable. |
| 12:46.43 | hrw | RST38h: which menu? I never used sbox menus |
| 12:46.57 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Nearest Cthulhu altar |
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| 12:47.13 | apol | zaheerm: can't you use any already existent sync'ing code? like akonadi's or evolution? |
| 12:47.18 | RST38h | hrw: In maemosdk+, it is accessible when you run maemosdk |
| 12:47.30 | Arkenoi | rst38h: i got success with google calendar by creating a new calendar, syncing it to google and manual copying missing entries (the ones that i created locally after i stopped doing google sync because of switching handsets) |
| 12:47.43 | hrw | RST38h: cant I just do "dpkg -l SOMEPACKAGENAME" for it? |
| 12:47.43 | RST38h | hrw: In the original anal retentive version, I have no ideabut look at ~/.maemosdk/rootstrtaps/armel |
| 12:48.01 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Weird crap |
| 12:48.06 | hrw | RST38h: no such dir |
| 12:48.13 | lardman|home | Jaffa, SpeedEvil: another option would be to just use the webbrowser all the time, and compile Gears, and allow Latitude updates that way |
| 12:48.13 | RST38h | Arkenoi: But as long as it works, why not... |
| 12:48.30 | RST38h | hrw: cd ~ ; ls .maemo<TAB> |
| 12:48.38 | zaheerm | apol, the calendar backend is a custom c++ library nokia wrote |
| 12:48.40 | RST38h | (well, you know what to do :)) |
| 12:48.41 | SpeedEvil | lardman: sounds like it's gonna use a lot of power |
| 12:48.45 | Arkenoi | rst38h: contact sync problem remains, though :-( |
| 12:48.57 | RST38h | Arkenoi: With Google?!? |
| 12:49.01 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: perhaps |
| 12:49.12 | zaheerm | apol, and i'm using libgdata to handle native google stuff (libgdata was extracted out from evolution-data-server's google backend) |
| 12:49.15 | Arkenoi | and even if you do a calendar-only sync i get "Mail for Exchange" folder created in modest |
| 12:49.25 | pgquiles | I received the invitation to upload to extras-devel and added my public SSH key but I did not add my public GPG key. How can I add the public GPG key now? (I can't see any option for that, it just lists my public SSH keys) |
| 12:49.32 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: I don't know how the backend to the PC version of Latitude grabs its data, but I guess it should wait for notifications |
| 12:49.44 | Arkenoi | never synced and not really used |
| 12:49.46 | SpeedEvil | hugs tcpdump. |
| 12:49.47 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: so the power draw would be the browser |
| 12:49.59 | apol | zaheerm: em well then, i'll wait for your work :P |
| 12:50.03 | apol | thanks man :) |
| 12:50.13 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Wait, you do not need to use that exchange plug to sync contacts with google. Simply connect to your gtalk account, and it will do the job |
| 12:50.15 | lcuk | zaheerm, talk to khertan, he does google sync stuff, dont know the state of play but its been something hes been into for a while |
| 12:50.16 | Arkenoi | RST38h, yep, i'd like to have an addressbook copy on Google |
| 12:50.53 | zaheerm | Khertan_, ping |
| 12:51.24 | zaheerm | apol, http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4164018365/ |
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| 12:51.30 | Sir_Lancelot | ONE MAEMO MORE HERE TO JOIN THE CLAN...count me in from now on ;) |
| 12:51.33 | Arkenoi | RST38h, does not look like it syncs the complete and proper way, have to double check it, though |
| 12:51.35 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Ah, export it not import |
| 12:51.39 | zaheerm | apol, after syncing 26 calendars from google |
| 12:51.42 | Arkenoi | yes |
| 12:51.44 | Arkenoi | export |
| 12:51.56 | Arkenoi | my main addressbook is phone, for sure |
| 12:52.04 | toggles_w | damn you amazon and your failure to ship! |
| 12:52.10 | Arkenoi | if i do it vice versa i get a lot of stupid limitations |
| 12:52.11 | apol | zaheerm: nice :) |
| 12:52.18 | RST38h | Arkenoi: this can be done through .vcf, I guess |
| 12:52.23 | RST38h | Arkenoi: crude but should work |
| 12:52.34 | Arkenoi | rst38h: every time i change a contact? that's insane |
| 12:52.57 | RST38h | agree |
| 12:53.26 | RST38h | so it is back to fixing the exchange plug |
| 12:53.53 | lardman|home | hmm, I wonder if we masquerade as an iPod Safari browser, if we'll get the iPod page, which does apparently update Latitude using the W3C Geolocation API |
| 12:54.06 | lcuk | Sir_Lancelot, i saw your motivational posts yesterday, always welcome and inviting to people helping defeat the killer rabbit |
| 12:54.23 | Stskeeps | lardman|home: time to play with curl? |
| 12:54.24 | zaheerm | lardman|home, give it a go :) |
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| 12:54.41 | lcuk | i hope you have the holy hand grenade of antioch |
| 12:54.47 | Sir_Lancelot | thanks lculk |
| 12:55.01 | Arkenoi | RST38h, actually activesync is even more limited that google contact system itself, so we get extra limitations if we do it that way |
| 12:55.03 | Sir_Lancelot | killing the rabbit?....I don't wanna kill playboy :D ehehehe |
| 12:55.39 | toggles_w | oh wow, dell is now seeling for $450 |
| 12:56.03 | lcuk | Sir_Lancelot, watch monty python and the holy grail :) |
| 12:56.15 | Sir_Lancelot | I did already ;) |
| 12:56.32 | hrw | RST38h: ubuntu user and in-sbox user do not have ~/.maemosdk dir |
| 12:56.47 | Sir_Lancelot | one fast question: is there a good IRC client for N900? |
| 12:56.56 | RST38h | hrw: Ubuntu one should. Mine had |
| 12:56.59 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. If scrolling lots in a long list - after - say the fifth scroll - should shaking the device keep scrolling/ |
| 12:57.02 | SpeedEvil | Sir_Lancelot: xchat works |
| 12:57.11 | RST38h | hrw: do cd ~/.maemo<click TAB key> |
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| 12:57.17 | Sir_Lancelot | is it good? or are there better ones? |
| 12:57.25 | hrw | RST38h: only ~/.maemo_vms exists and is empty |
| 12:57.30 | SpeedEvil | Sir_Lancelot: xchat is possibly the best - though irssi is there too |
| 12:57.43 | lcuk | there might be others at some point in the future |
| 12:57.46 | RST38h | hrw: I am sorry to say that, but may I suggest installing sb2 instead? :( |
| 12:57.49 | SpeedEvil | Sir_Lancelot: there is also a plugin for the normal 'converastions' IM thingy |
| 12:58.00 | Sir_Lancelot | and where can I get it?...I advise you guys, I'm a complete noob in what concerns Linux aand all that...sorry |
| 12:58.02 | RST38h | hrw: sb1 is fucked up beyond any reason |
| 12:58.17 | Sir_Lancelot | :S |
| 12:58.28 | lardman|home | Stskeeps: not curl, needs a javascript runtime, so a browser |
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| 12:58.44 | zaheerm | SpeedEvil, that one doesn';t support chatrooms.... |
| 12:59.12 | SpeedEvil | zaheerm: no, it's IM only |
| 12:59.17 | lcuk | Sir_Lancelot, travel on horseback to thy Application menu, thereupon unravel the Application Manager scroll and peruse the parchment looking for thy Maemo extras devel repository |
| 12:59.18 | SpeedEvil | zaheerm: it's not useless, but... |
| 12:59.32 | zaheerm | almost useless for irc ;) |
| 12:59.50 | hrw | RST38h: I use official maemosdk fetched from area behind long annoying license. and I use treat it as official sdk. any sbox is not liked by me but this one more or less works. I do not want to spend^Wwaste any time on that area more then need to |
| 12:59.57 | SpeedEvil | zaheerm: depends what you want it for |
| 13:00.15 | hrw | o.. beloved DDP |
| 13:00.39 | hrw | ~curse ddp for informing me that I can put order instead of sending me device |
| 13:00.40 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ddp for informing me that I can put order instead of sending me device ! |
| 13:00.49 | RST38h | hrw: Yea, I understand the feeling, but you should have gotten used to it by now |
| 13:01.24 | RST38h | hrw: The official line is seldom the sane one, unfortunately. So, I would at least give sb2 a try |
| 13:01.25 | Jaffa | re-lunches |
| 13:01.50 | Sir_Lancelot | thanks for the tip SpeedEvil ;) |
| 13:02.18 | derf | Yes, I'm almost happy not to have been included in the DDP this time around. |
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| 13:07.02 | lardman|home | Was just looking at Macuco, the gmail mini-browser-masquerading as an iPod thing, it uses webkit, does webkit support the geolocation stuff? |
| 13:08.00 | Micha__ | RST38h: Do you actually have an sb2-based development environment fully functional? |
| 13:08.19 | Acedip | how does one use "backspace" on maemo sdk? |
| 13:08.30 | Micha__ | has managed to compile maemopad for armel, install & run it on the device, but has so far failed for the i386 target |
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| 13:09.49 | kalikiana | lardman|home, it supports geoclue |
| 13:09.53 | RST38h | Micha: Functional enough to develop my stuff |
| 13:10.06 | RST38h | Micha: I am not using i386 target and only debug on the real device |
| 13:10.48 | lardman|home | kalikiana: inside the browser? |
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| 13:11.15 | Acedip | how does one use "backspace" on maemo 5 sdk? |
| 13:11.17 | kalikiana | lardman|home, inside the web view, through javascript API |
| 13:11.45 | RST38h | Arkenoi: How about setting up a script for sending the current .vcf file (found in your ~ directory I think) to Google? |
| 13:12.01 | Micha__ | RST38h: Thanks. |
| 13:12.20 | lardman|home | kalikiana: ok; I don;t think that will work mind you |
| 13:13.07 | kalikiana | lardman|home, Up to the gmail, presumably |
| 13:13.29 | lardman|home | yeah, latitude |
| 13:13.58 | Arkenoi | RST38h, yep, it is the way i was thinking about. quite ugly as web interface may change without notice. |
| 13:14.01 | hrw|afk | bug #6718 submitted |
| 13:14.02 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6718 Lack of modplug plugin for GStreamer |
| 13:14.05 | lardman|home | just wondering what api the iPhone browser will use |
| 13:14.16 | lardman|home | guess I'll need to masquerade and look at the source |
| 13:14.29 | hrw|afk | who bets how much time will take nokia people to close it with 'report it in brainstorm'? |
| 13:14.42 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Wouldn't worry too much about it |
| 13:14.58 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I mean, you are not the only one using it, so changing it is costly for Google |
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| 13:15.49 | Arkenoi | RST38h, and how do i resolve conflicts and duplicates then? |
| 13:16.15 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Doesn't Google do it for you? |
| 13:17.27 | Arkenoi | dunno |
| 13:17.57 | lardman|home | hmm, actually that seems to work |
| 13:18.08 | lardman|home | masquerade as iPhone browser |
| 13:18.11 | kynde | Has anyone tried the ad-hoc wifi mode on an n900? And gotten it to work? |
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| 13:19.23 | lardman|home | how do I work out whether a page is using Gears or the W3C location api? |
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| 13:21.01 | SpeedEvil | ask Mr Tcpdump? |
| 13:21.33 | sejo | bleh channel sync fail :/ |
| 13:21.46 | odin_ | has anyone tried using N900 as an Access Point for other devices using GPRS/PacketData connectivity ? |
| 13:22.04 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: hmm, guess so |
| 13:22.22 | odin_ | I guess it needs, DHCPD + NAT (to work effectively) |
| 13:22.27 | kynde | odin_: trying just that, but I'm stuck with bringin up ad-hoc wlan... |
| 13:22.41 | odin_ | kynde, no u need to bring up the WLAN as a AP |
| 13:22.59 | odin_ | kynde, I think madwifi support it with some chipsets |
| 13:23.00 | kynde | Does the n900 wlan0 support that? |
| 13:23.15 | odin_ | kynde, well I am asking that too, something else I need to research into |
| 13:23.25 | kynde | (I have nat (modules and iptables) working and udhcpd would also be ready, but can't get the wlan0 to work even with statics) |
| 13:23.48 | odin_ | well AP mode is not the same as AdHoc mode |
| 13:24.07 | odin_ | but maybe with AdHoc its possible to get things working |
| 13:24.30 | kynde | No it's not, but I figured ad-hoc might be sufficient for starters. It worked nicely with n810s. (used them as baby monitors a while back) |
| 13:24.35 | lardman|home | is there a useragent switcher for the N900 browser? |
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| 13:24.52 | derf | Okay, specifying |
| 13:24.53 | derf | Architecture: armel |
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| 13:25.04 | zaheerm | lardman|home, i saw something in extras-devel that might be for n900 browser |
| 13:25.08 | derf | in my debian/control did not keep the autobuilder from trying to make an i386 package. |
| 13:25.10 | SpeedEvil | lardman: or - thinking about it - firebug |
| 13:25.27 | kynde | odin_: I'm just stumpped with the ad-hoc mode. Did everything with iwconfig as usual and everything appears to be ok, but the looks of it, but nothing flies. |
| 13:25.49 | zaheerm | lardman, http://maemo.org/packages/view/hideuseragent/ |
| 13:26.12 | derf | X-Fade: Any ideas? |
| 13:26.25 | kynde | odin_: even tried the ad-hoc option from the n900 connection settings but that didn't work either... and google's pretty void with n900 ad-hoc and wlan0 |
| 13:26.36 | X-Fade | derf: Sorry, was away to get lunch. |
| 13:27.19 | derf | X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gjiten-dics_20070225-1/summary.log |
| 13:27.31 | kynde | I think I'll try the ad-hoc mode first with two n900's and see even if that works out... |
| 13:27.51 | derf | I do not want it to build an i386 package at all (it would be nice, and it should work, but if it's not going to I don't need it). |
| 13:28.56 | lardman|home | hmm, extras-devel failed to refresh once again |
| 13:29.33 | X-Fade | derf: Let me find you an example of an app which specifies arch to only build one arch. |
| 13:30.01 | derf | X-Fade: This is slightly complicated by the fact that that source tarball defines two packages, call them A and B. |
| 13:30.06 | odin_ | lardman|home, is the repository being updated non-atomically ? |
| 13:30.31 | derf | A _should_ work on "any" architecture, but fails with the autobuilder for i386 for no explicable reason. |
| 13:30.32 | lardman|home | no idea |
| 13:30.42 | derf | B should be architecture independent, but depends on A. |
| 13:31.48 | homeasvs | X-Fade, is there a way to check if my erlang build is hanging ? |
| 13:33.09 | derf | homeasvs: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/erlang_13.b.2.1-dfsg-2/summary.log ? |
| 13:33.26 | X-Fade | homeasvs: erlang is still building. |
| 13:33.34 | homeasvs | derf, yeah, that's the file that hasn't changed for a good 16 hours now |
| 13:33.37 | derf | Looks like it's been going the better part of a day? |
| 13:33.40 | X-Fade | homeasvs: At least it is doing something on the build machines. |
| 13:33.50 | homeasvs | X-Fade, are the build machines using qemu-arm ? |
| 13:34.03 | X-Fade | yes |
| 13:34.12 | homeasvs | X-Fade, because fyi in my scratchbox with qemu-arm the build hangs when it first executes the erlc compiler |
| 13:34.21 | homeasvs | X-Fade, and I was hoping it wouldn't happen in the extras builder |
| 13:34.25 | X-Fade | 30869 ? S 0:00 /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb --sbox-call /home/builder1/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/erlang-13.b.2.1-dfsg/bin/arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi/beam /home/builder1/maemo-fremant |
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| 13:34.29 | homeasvs | so if you could get me a log of the build somehow as it runs... |
| 13:34.34 | homeasvs | ah, ok |
| 13:34.38 | homeasvs | can you check the rest of that command line ? |
| 13:34.43 | lardman|home | hmm, hide user agent won't let me set it it seems |
| 13:34.47 | homeasvs | then I can see what it might be compiling |
| 13:35.28 | Acedip | i've confused and messed up my resources.list entries, would someone please pastebin me resources.list file of a maemo 5 sdk? |
| 13:36.48 | X-Fade | homeasvs: progname erl -- -home /home/builder1/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/erlang-13.b.2.1-dfsg/debian -noshell -noinput -mode minimal -boot start_clean -s erl_compile compile_cmdline @cwd /home/builder1/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/erlang-13.b.2.1-dfsg/lib/debugger/src @warn 1 @option debug_info @option warn_obsolete_guard @outdir ../ebin @files dbg_wx_mon.erl |
| 13:37.23 | homeasvs | X-Fade, hm, that looks like it passed the point where it hung for me alright |
| 13:37.32 | homeasvs | X-Fade, ok, can I ask you again in an hour to see if it really moved on ? |
| 13:37.55 | X-Fade | homeasvs: Sure, it is just really slow as the same machine is handling 2 more builds. |
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| 13:38.25 | homeasvs | X-Fade, right. I ended up having to build erlang straight on my phone in a chroot just to get it to build, and that took a good 8 hours |
| 13:38.29 | hrw | ok, ddp sent n900 finally |
| 13:38.43 | homeasvs | I just wanted to make sure I didn't break your build service :) |
| 13:38.45 | Stskeeps | hell must be freezing over, hrw |
| 13:39.02 | lardman|home | homeasvs: might be really slow as I sent gmp not so long ago |
| 13:39.23 | lardman|home | or was that yesterday? Days merge into one another |
| 13:39.29 | hrw | Stskeeps: hell like hell - flying pigs are crashing on building which I see from window. |
| 13:39.37 | X-Fade | lardman|home: And vpngui is building too |
| 13:39.48 | SpeedEvil | hands hrw a large barrel of bacon cure mix. |
| 13:40.04 | hrw | Stskeeps: so next days will be hardcore testing does device works or not |
| 13:40.13 | lardman|home | mmmmm |
| 13:40.40 | hrw | microphone, microusb connector, emmc md5suming, bad pixels, touchscreen linearity |
| 13:40.46 | X-Fade | jeremiah: ping? |
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| 13:41.03 | homeasvs | lardman|home, that's fine, we all have needs |
| 13:41.04 | hrw | wifi/bt/usb/gsm/3g testing |
| 13:41.11 | Stskeeps | hrw: make a test suite :) |
| 13:41.16 | lardman|home | is there some .js file I can add to alter my useragent? |
| 13:41.32 | hrw | lardman|home: in Fx I would do "about:config" |
| 13:41.45 | hrw | lardman|home: or try to install 'user agent switcher' Fx extension |
| 13:41.55 | lardman|home | hrw: I didn't want to change that and not be able to get it back |
| 13:42.49 | hrw | lardman|home: once you get it changed you can use same way to go back |
| 13:43.01 | lardman|home | but I need to remember it don't I? |
| 13:43.30 | hrw | lardman|home: find .microb/ -name prefs.js |
| 13:43.42 | lardman|home | ah yeah, backup |
| 13:46.11 | kynde | odin_: partial success. I got the ad-hoc working through n900 connection settings, but manual setup is still a work in progress. getting that up I'd have the hotspot essentials. |
| 13:46.47 | RST38h | X-Fade: ping? |
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| 13:47.43 | X-Fade | RST38h: yes? |
| 13:48.11 | RST38h | X-Fade: While you were away, there was an IRC meeting on the state of Fremantle Extras, with jeremiah participating |
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| 13:48.25 | sejo | the mbarcode app still kinda sucks reading QR's made on the nokia page |
| 13:48.28 | RST38h | X-Fade: It has been decided to lower the Extras promotion threshold from 10 to 5 votes |
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| 13:48.55 | RST38h | X-Fade: Unfortunately, jeremiah could not change the threshold as he was not sure about modifying your code |
| 13:48.57 | X-Fade | RST38h: Still need to catch up on those things. |
| 13:49.00 | flx_ | so, it does actually work for something? |
| 13:49.07 | RST38h | X-Fade: Could you please consult with him and do the changes? |
| 13:49.09 | sayjava_ | Hello everyone |
| 13:49.28 | sayjava_ | has anyone tried to get the phonon frameworking working on maemo 5? |
| 13:49.42 | RST38h | X-Fade: (and take some steps toward establishing contingency plans, in case you get eaten by a croc or something =)) |
| 13:50.18 | hrw | sayjava_: my app uses Phonon to play music |
| 13:50.41 | hrw | sayjava_: it works but Phonon::SeekSlider is readonly for user |
| 13:51.15 | odin_ | kynde, good work |
| 13:51.29 | sayjava_ | @hrw , i could not even compile my application |
| 13:51.48 | hrw | sayjava_: you use qt 4.5 or 4.6 on maemo5? |
| 13:51.53 | odin_ | @sayjava_: java_ java_ java_ |
| 13:52.05 | hrw | sayjava_: libqt4-dev (4.5) or libqt4-maemo5-dev (4.6) ones? |
| 13:52.07 | sayjava_ | im using 4.6 |
| 13:52.08 | Acedip | i've confused and messed up my resources.list entries, would someone please pastebin me resources.list file of a maemo 5 sdk? |
| 13:52.20 | hrw | sayjava_: show me error? |
| 13:52.28 | hrw | sayjava_: and #qt-maemo is better place |
| 13:52.43 | sayjava_ | oh thanks @hrw |
| 13:53.03 | sayjava_ | it says something about missing phonon folder during compile |
| 13:53.16 | lardman|home | sejo: not QRs |
| 13:53.23 | hrw | sayjava_: ah.. in project file add "QT += phonon" and rerun qmake |
| 13:53.44 | sayjava_ | yup , i did that already |
| 13:53.50 | lardman|home | I imagine they are datamatrix, in which case yes it will suck I'm afraid as libdmtx is a real cpu hog, so it's limited to running only twice per second |
| 13:53.52 | sayjava_ | same problem , |
| 13:54.01 | hrw | sayjava_: and you have phonon installed? |
| 13:54.14 | sayjava_ | @hrw, do i need to have the libqt4-phonon-dev installed? |
| 13:54.44 | hrw | sayjava_: libqt4-maemo5-phonon-dev probably |
| 13:54.49 | Lynoure | I'm playing around with Qt Designer, but unlike all the examples I see, no red lines to indicate layouts I have |
| 13:54.50 | hrw | sayjava_: my sdk is shutted down now |
| 13:54.58 | Lynoure | How do I get them to show? |
| 13:55.13 | Shapeshifter | phonon? |
| 13:55.18 | Shapeshifter | People still use that? |
| 13:55.34 | sayjava_ | oh , i should check that ,,, |
| 13:55.35 | hrw | Shapeshifter: why we have to not use it? |
| 13:55.41 | sayjava_ | it says it cant find the library |
| 13:55.50 | sayjava_ | i might be missing a repo |
| 13:56.10 | Shapeshifter | hrw: mh, do how you please. |
| 13:56.12 | sayjava_ | @Shapeshifter , its an easier framework |
| 13:56.20 | Shapeshifter | easier then gstreamer? |
| 13:56.30 | hrw | Shapeshifter: easier |
| 13:56.30 | sayjava_ | never tried gstreamer |
| 13:56.32 | sayjava_ | is it? |
| 13:56.42 | sayjava_ | it uses gstreamer underneath |
| 13:56.42 | Shapeshifter | gstreamer is quite easy and very flexible. |
| 13:56.44 | hrw | Shapeshifter: I do not need to remember how to create path |
| 13:57.04 | hrw | Shapeshifter: with phonon I just setMediaSource(filetoplay) and play() |
| 13:57.10 | Shapeshifter | mh, okay. |
| 13:57.23 | hrw | Shapeshifter: with gstreamer I need to create whole path, link components etc |
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| 13:57.55 | Shapeshifter | hrw: well, I think it's not a bother to create the path. And it saves another layer of abstraction. But as I said, each to his own. |
| 13:57.57 | hrw | Shapeshifter: and phonon sends audio to output nevermind is it alsa/pulseaudio/whatever |
| 13:58.13 | Sir_Lancelot | unboxing N900 now :D |
| 13:58.15 | hrw | Shapeshifter: Phonon is part of Qt |
| 13:59.11 | sayjava_ | @hrw,@Shapeshifter, i also think its nicer to keep the framework, clean all the way in the source code |
| 13:59.38 | lardman|home | hmm, I edit prefs.js to add general.useragent.override, while the browser is not running, and yet my changes are always undone |
| 13:59.47 | lardman|home | or do I need to kill the daemon? |
| 13:59.53 | X-Fade | lardman|home: killall browserd |
| 14:00.28 | lardman|home | ok, will try that |
| 14:00.43 | sejo | is the QT stack in testing yet (can't seem to find it) |
| 14:00.48 | X-Fade | RST38h: But I'll be working on improvement this and next week hopefully, don't worry. |
| 14:01.02 | hrw | Shapeshifter: good part is that I do not have to care about handling seekslider during play because I just added Phonon::SeekSlider to UI and linked it with MediaObject which plays |
| 14:01.17 | X-Fade | sejo: It is in nokia apps, which is on the device by default. |
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| 14:01.30 | Shapeshifter | hrw: I guess your right. |
| 14:01.37 | Shapeshifter | I never used phonon so I can't judge it. |
| 14:01.39 | sejo | aha! :p |
| 14:01.44 | hrw | Shapeshifter: also play/stop/pause actions are given for free, same for finishedPlaying signal |
| 14:01.48 | Shapeshifter | I just hear people calling it rubbish all the time for some reason |
| 14:01.51 | X-Fade | sejo: And 4.6 is in extras-devel |
| 14:02.09 | X-Fade | sejo: As libqt4-maemo5* |
| 14:02.21 | hrw | Shapeshifter: my app has 347 lines of code |
| 14:02.37 | lardman|home | nope, seems rather hard to actuall kill the bworser* stuff |
| 14:02.44 | lardman|home | it must respawn quickly |
| 14:02.55 | hrw | but due to maemo5 UI guidelines I will have to add extra 100 just to get UI working |
| 14:02.57 | slonopotamus | wow |
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| 14:03.11 | hrw | slonopotamus: ? |
| 14:03.16 | slonopotamus | just got email from local nokia reseller that nokia wants to present me n900 |
| 14:03.23 | hrw | nice |
| 14:03.37 | slonopotamus | kinda... surprising :) |
| 14:04.10 | lardman|home | oops, rebooted |
| 14:04.11 | RST38h | X-Fade: Cool =) If you can prioritize changing those threshold digits from 10 to 5, would be even cooler =) |
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| 14:04.21 | sejo | X-Fade: hmm can't see it, is the ./ for distribution list still correct (for nokia apps) |
| 14:04.27 | RST38h | It is just digits, is it? =) |
| 14:04.45 | X-Fade | sejo: libs aren't visible in HAM. |
| 14:04.53 | X-Fade | sejo: They aren't in user/* category. |
| 14:05.01 | sejo | X-Fade:ok |
| 14:05.18 | X-Fade | sejo: apt-get or red-pill mode. |
| 14:05.36 | sejo | k |
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| 14:07.24 | lardman|home | ok, so editing prefs.js is out of the question apparently |
| 14:07.27 | lardman|home | any other ideas? |
| 14:07.34 | Jaffa | waves off to Helsink (ta to timeless for the tour) |
| 14:07.43 | lardman|home | I can't seem to add keys from the about:config page |
| 14:08.10 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Hmm so I'll just miss you then? |
| 14:08.39 | Jaffa | X-Fade: yup, guess so |
| 14:09.05 | Jaffa | X-Fade: unless you're at the airport from 1650-1900 |
| 14:09.09 | skule | When is the next update for N900 expected ? |
| 14:09.19 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Nah, next Monday. |
| 14:09.21 | Jaffa | skule: Before Xmas |
| 14:09.31 | lbt_ | Jaffa: helsinki? |
| 14:09.54 | lbt_ | hey X-Fade, wb |
| 14:09.59 | Jaffa | X-Fade$-: oh deD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dfinitely, then |
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| 14:10.12 | skule | Any idea why I can't use gmail imap over 3g, it seems to run with wifi |
| 14:10.22 | X-Fade | lbt_: hi, how's everything? |
| 14:10.29 | Jaffa | lbt_: yup |
| 14:10.32 | lbt_ | looking good |
| 14:10.34 | X-Fade | skule: works for me? |
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| 14:11.28 | odin_ | right I guess its time for me to have another bash at getting Fedora12 on its feet on my workstation (so I can think about downloading that Maemo5 SDK :) |
| 14:12.14 | odin_ | BTW is there no large image file with the SDK on it ? it seems to be a script, should I 'chroot' it ? |
| 14:12.16 | Micha__ | skule: Working fine for me over 3G. |
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| 14:15.07 | skule | it just says 'server name or port number incorrect' imap.gmail.com port 993 (imap4s) |
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| 14:16.28 | skule | and I have checked my gmail settings, and tested them elsewhere |
| 14:16.37 | Micha__ | skule: I have the same settings. I'm currently still on T-Mobile. |
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| 14:17.32 | skule | is there a telnet/nc or similar for N900 ? |
| 14:17.40 | tigert | openssh? |
| 14:17.49 | tigert | telnet is in repository I guess |
| 14:17.56 | tigert | oh, you mean for networking debug purposes? |
| 14:18.01 | skule | yes |
| 14:18.04 | tigert | telnet exists I think |
| 14:18.05 | skule | no telnet in repos |
| 14:18.06 | sejo | is there a way to do screencapturing on the maemo? |
| 14:18.15 | tigert | oh |
| 14:18.21 | X-Fade | sejo: load-applet |
| 14:18.22 | tigert | sejo: ctrl-shift-p |
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| 14:18.56 | sejo | does that do a video also? |
| 14:19.01 | sejo | or anly pictures |
| 14:19.07 | sejo | s/anly/only/ |
| 14:19.17 | tigert | sejo: captures a pic |
| 14:19.25 | tigert | saves it to Images/screenshots/ |
| 14:19.43 | tigert | theres x11vnc if I remember correctly |
| 14:19.51 | sejo | cool thx |
| 14:19.53 | tigert | you might be able to do video stuff with that and vncrec |
| 14:19.54 | tigert | ? |
| 14:20.03 | tigert | never tried |
| 14:20.07 | sejo | yes that would work normally |
| 14:20.29 | tigert | or capture from tv-out? |
| 14:20.55 | X-Fade | load-applet does video too. |
| 14:21.07 | tigert | there is "telnet" in repos |
| 14:22.02 | tigert | theres "socat" in repo |
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| 14:22.35 | Stskeeps | morning orb |
| 14:22.35 | hrw | hmm.. my website looks quite ok on microb |
| 14:23.10 | III | morning all |
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| 14:23.18 | clmntch | hello all |
| 14:23.25 | Mece | hrw, I havent found one yet that doesn't look ok |
| 14:23.40 | clmntch | they did a good job with microb |
| 14:24.08 | hrw | Mece: look != usable |
| 14:24.16 | SpeedEvil | sejo: the load-applet in the taskbar also claims to do screenshots - which work - and screencasts - which i haven't tried |
| 14:24.31 | SpeedEvil | sejo: that is the one in extras-devel - I think |
| 14:25.38 | kynde | odin_: got the fucking thing working! |
| 14:26.01 | Mece | hrw, true but actually all have been usable too. some more than others though. |
| 14:26.16 | kynde | odin_: my problem was that I couldn't get it to associate to the ad-hoc cell, iwlist wlan0 scan seemed to help there. |
| 14:26.35 | skule | tigert, apt-get install telnet / apt-cache search telnet ? |
| 14:26.38 | skule | no results |
| 14:26.57 | Mece | hrw, some sites try really hard not to be usable. |
| 14:27.39 | sejo | I tried it ti seems to record but replaying shows a black screen |
| 14:27.55 | kynde | odin_: atleast pings from my laptop went through the n900 wlan0 and out the gprs0 masqueraded to a public server. geez, what a hastle it was. and I though once I had the kernel, modules and iptables working the rest would've been a piss in a park... :) |
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| 14:28.56 | odin_ | what is the name is the add-in flash port ? there is OneNand (256Mb internal), there is eMMC (32Gb internal) and there is microSD which is called ? |
| 14:30.15 | sejo | the load-applet does do the sound :p |
| 14:31.35 | SpeedEvil | kynde: you've built your own kernel for the n900? |
| 14:31.55 | SpeedEvil | kynde: Is there a walkthrough for lazy people? |
| 14:32.27 | timeless_mbp | lazy people shouldn't build kernels :) |
| 14:32.35 | hrw | agreed |
| 14:33.04 | hrw | SpeedEvil: in sbox 'apt-get source kernel' and then usual stuff. replace 'kernel' with package which contains kernel of course |
| 14:33.14 | hrw | -> reboot |
| 14:33.20 | Stskeeps | hrw: ironically it's called 'kernel' now |
| 14:33.56 | kynde | SpeedEvil: yeah, you might want to grab those: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 14:34.38 | SpeedEvil | hrw: I suppose I should install sbox. I'd really prefer just to do it 'normally' on the device - but meh. |
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| 14:35.50 | kynde | SpeedEvil: well, to get the iptables nat working you have to flash the kernel anyway. and you need those modules before you flash it. you might want to keep the current kernel you have available so that you can return it incase things go sour. |
| 14:36.27 | SpeedEvil | kynde: I mean build on the device |
| 14:37.26 | AndrewFBlack | can't figure out why n900 isn't letting me ssh in today |
| 14:37.28 | kynde | I wouldn't suggest that. It's something you want to be doing in scratchbox. |
| 14:37.32 | toggles_w | dunno why i bother to listen, but the engadget podcast is ripping nokia a new one today |
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| 14:43.49 | TomaszD | good day |
| 14:44.29 | Myrtti | toggles_w: you're a masochist, that's why |
| 14:45.08 | toggles_w | Myrtti: or just need to be distracted from work |
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| 14:52.28 | clmntch | is there already a bug for the video flicker ? |
| 14:52.46 | hrw | hi TomaszD |
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| 14:52.55 | clmntch | i guess video flicker is a wrong choice of words |
| 14:53.14 | TomaszD | hi hrw |
| 14:53.16 | clmntch | but the not so smoothe transistions |
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| 14:55.27 | Stskeeps | clmntch: adjust them if you want |
| 14:55.46 | Stskeeps | chances are you know them from other OS'es with an app temporarily stalling while it swaps in |
| 14:55.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:56.12 | toggles_w | ouch.. they just called maemo 'dumber developers'.. damn.. |
| 14:57.14 | homeasvs | how does one make application manager pick up on .install files for apps in a repo ? |
| 14:57.19 | homeasvs | anything special that needs to be done ? |
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| 14:58.38 | clmntch | Stskeeps: i just didn't want to resubmit. and possibly get a link to the one that existed |
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| 15:01.41 | rikshot-wrk | Does anyone know how can I detect when the user slides the back camera lens cover? |
| 15:03.56 | odin_ | kynde, well done there... when can we expect a nice single application that can deploy DHCPD and setup NAT and stuff? the DHCPD service needs a simple allowed/blocked MAC list with a mode of listing the last 10 MAC addresses attempting to solicit DHCP, the last time they were seen and the ability to notify and seek user confirmation for each new DHCPD device seen |
| 15:04.04 | lardman|home | rikshot-wrk: no, but I had a bug open about allowing the user to select which app to launch when it happens |
| 15:04.07 | odin_ | kynde, should only be a weeks work ? what u think ? |
| 15:04.19 | lardman|home | rikshot-wrk: in fact you can probably read the door state from sysfs |
| 15:04.42 | kynde | odin_: dunno, rambo is working on some kind of python thingy for the same thing. I just sent him an email asking where he's at. |
| 15:05.20 | rikshot-wrk | Does the system send an event when it happens? |
| 15:05.32 | odin_ | ~fiasco |
| 15:05.33 | infobot | L4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ |
| 15:05.36 | SpeedEvil | I would strace hte camera app |
| 15:05.53 | kynde | odin_: there are still issues. the ad-hoc doesn't work flawlessly, probably the nokia internet connection manager keeps intervening there or something. |
| 15:05.59 | X-Fade | rikshot-wrk: Probably dbus |
| 15:06.16 | odin_ | kynde, yes that would be the next API call, the abilty to arbitrate control over WLAN |
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| 15:07.12 | kynde | odin_: oh indeed. we''ll just have to see. atleast the basics worked. |
| 15:07.17 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, are you looking for blocking camera app problems ? I've had it block the UI |
| 15:07.38 | SpeedEvil | odin_: oops |
| 15:07.43 | SpeedEvil | odin_: that was meant to be |
| 15:07.49 | SpeedEvil | rikshot-wrk: that was for you - strace |
| 15:07.58 | kynde | odin_: and atleast I have a deadline since my wife needs the thing by january to get her laptop online using n900. |
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| 15:08.21 | SpeedEvil | kynde: 'online' for various values can be done with socks proxy on ssh |
| 15:08.31 | rikshot-wrk | There isn't any documentation for the camera events? |
| 15:08.39 | odin_ | kynde, how about within 12 days ? (for when I go on holidays?) he he |
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| 15:08.53 | SpeedEvil | rikshot-wrk: There seems to be very little documentation that I've seen on most aspects of hte hardware or closed source stuff. |
| 15:09.34 | kynde | :) |
| 15:09.35 | Dyresen | Nokia took rebooting n900 back as DOA... That might be something to think of for the other users with similar trouble. |
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| 15:09.43 | Dyresen | my rebooting |
| 15:09.54 | flx_ | but would there be a dbus tool for sniffing messages that are being sent? |
| 15:10.13 | suihkulokki | dbus-monitor --session or --system |
| 15:10.27 | odin_ | does the SDK have any kind of BOCHS ARM emulator ? |
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| 15:11.36 | lardman|home | Dyresen: what did you do to it? |
| 15:11.38 | flx_ | suihkulokki, --system immediately have me info on opening/closing camera and apparently on my GPRS connection switching cell or something |
| 15:13.47 | tigert | odin_: qemu |
| 15:14.52 | Dyresen | lardman|home: didn't do anything to it. It just rebooted a lot from the begining. (more than every thirty minutes. Often every fifth minute) And then it ended up being a brick without me even touching the thing. Only installed ssh on it. |
| 15:15.21 | Flandry | odin_: doesn't work right |
| 15:15.26 | hrw | TomaszD: any luck with Polish keymap? |
| 15:15.49 | Dyresen | lardman|home: Point being, that some people report this behavior and our store took it back no questions asked... |
| 15:15.50 | Stskeeps | Dyresen: at least it seems like it has an internal bug associated (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350) and capable nokians looking at it |
| 15:15.52 | povbot` | Bug 6350: random reboot bricks device |
| 15:15.56 | odin_ | tigert, have you use it? ... oh ... qemu doesn't work right ? |
| 15:16.01 | rikshot-wrk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.26 | Flandry | lol |
| 15:16.30 | Flandry | EXACT STEPS LEADING TO PROBLEM: |
| 15:16.30 | Flandry | wait for random reboot |
| 15:16.30 | Flandry | EXPECTED OUTCOME: |
| 15:16.30 | Flandry | device reboots |
| 15:16.30 | Flandry | ACTUAL OUTCOME: |
| 15:16.31 | Flandry | device becomes bricked |
| 15:17.07 | tigert | hah |
| 15:17.10 | Flandry | odin_: you can't successfully run armel binaries in SDK |
| 15:17.35 | Flandry | unless something has changed :/ |
| 15:17.41 | Dyresen | Stskeeps: yeah, but it doesnt happen on all handsets. |
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| 15:18.10 | lardman|home | Dyresen: fair enough |
| 15:18.38 | Stskeeps | Dyresen: either way, RMA is a good idea |
| 15:20.31 | Dyresen | Stskeeps: Yeah, they confirmed sending a new device :) |
| 15:22.41 | hullfandan | I am trying to connect a USB class 1 bluetooth adapter to an n800 with Diablo. I am sure I have read about other people doing this in the past, possibly on the 770. I have been searching mailing list archives and googling but I can't find any info on it now. Could anyone point me in the right direction or did I imagine the whole thing :) |
| 15:23.30 | Stskeeps | hullfandan: do you have it on a powered usb hub? |
| 15:24.21 | hullfandan | Stskeeps: Yes, and the hub and my usb setup is working as I connected a HID (keyboard) to test |
| 15:24.55 | Stskeeps | hullfandan: should work, but it will probably be confused by having two bluetooth adapters |
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| 15:27.01 | GAN900 | yawns. |
| 15:27.06 | GAN900 | 12 hours, I feel vaguely recovered and possibly back on my own timezone. |
| 15:27.35 | X-Fade | Hehe, jetlagged? :) |
| 15:27.49 | GAN900 | Not so far as I can tell |
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| 15:27.54 | GAN900 | Worse going over. |
| 15:28.05 | X-Fade | I only had a 10 hour time difference ;) |
| 15:28.43 | hullfandan | Stskeeps: I used usb-control to enter host mode and it saw / identified the Bluetooth USB adapter but obviously didn't know what to do with it. I guess I have to flash a dev image with USB host mode enabled and then start playing with BlueZ adapter API. I was just sure I had seen this somewhere before and didn't want to reinvent the wheel if possible. Especially as I am still no expert when it comes to Maemo / nix. |
| 15:30.08 | hrw | hullfandan: modprobe hci_usb (or how it was called in ancient times)? |
| 15:30.18 | hrw | bb in few |
| 15:34.51 | odin_ | hullfandan, the host mode USB is a driver / kernel build issue ? |
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| 15:37.06 | derf | X-Fade: Is it possible to get more details on what is going wrong with: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gjiten-dics_20070225-1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 15:37.31 | X-Fade | derf: I wanted to ping jeremiah to look at that. |
| 15:37.37 | derf | The failure in strip suggests something is really going wrong earlier... I've never even seen strip fail before. |
| 15:38.05 | wazd | Can anybody explain that VAT feature while ordering n900 from Finland? |
| 15:38.07 | derf | I mean, this is almost the simplest package you can imagine. |
| 15:38.17 | X-Fade | derf: Looks like it is stripping an armel binary? |
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| 15:38.30 | lardman|home | i486 |
| 15:38.37 | wazd | Cause it adds 50 euros to the bill |
| 15:38.42 | X-Fade | with an i486 strip yes. |
| 15:38.47 | lardman|home | oh I see |
| 15:38.51 | Stskeeps | wazd: if it's same country, it's the country's VAT |
| 15:38.55 | Stskeeps | which is 22% |
| 15:38.57 | hrw | wazd: Finland->outside of EU? |
| 15:38.59 | derf | It has one C file compiled into one executable, and then a bunch of files that are copied into place. |
| 15:39.00 | hullfandan | odin_: it's not the USB side that I am looking for information on really. I have found info on that and got device recognised in host mode. It was more documentation on accessing the BT adapter in code using BlueZ that I was looking for. |
| 15:39.07 | wazd | Finland -> Finland |
| 15:39.19 | lardman|home | derf: the arm binary didn't get left in the uploaded tarball? |
| 15:39.23 | Stskeeps | wazd: then you have to pay VAT :P |
| 15:39.30 | derf | lardman|home: Let's find out. |
| 15:39.31 | hullfandan | hrw: thanks, trying that now |
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| 15:39.45 | wazd | Stskeeps: ridiculous... |
| 15:39.46 | Stskeeps | (technically you have to no matter what, but in your own EU country) |
| 15:39.58 | derf | I didn't make the uploaded tarball, dpkg-buildpackage did. |
| 15:40.12 | Stskeeps | wazd: no, normal |
| 15:40.15 | lardman|home | well if it didn't clean up properly it might happen |
| 15:40.19 | lardman|home | dh_clean |
| 15:40.22 | Stskeeps | wazd: all prices in .dk has 25% VAT on top for instance |
| 15:40.32 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, 305 euros for a device without warranty? |
| 15:40.51 | wazd | Stskeeps: are they kidding or what? |
| 15:40.54 | Stskeeps | wazd: better than 650 |
| 15:41.02 | sivang | ah, cdbs magic :-) |
| 15:41.09 | wazd | Stskeeps: 450 in US + 70 usd Express Mail |
| 15:41.13 | hrw | Stskeeps: I am company and paid only 250⬠but outside of Finland but inside of EU |
| 15:41.21 | derf | lardman|home: I know very little about Debian packaging. |
| 15:41.25 | sivang | derf: are you sure you are building for the correct arch ? |
| 15:41.27 | derf | My entire rules file is: |
| 15:41.28 | X-Fade | wazd: But if you order in US, you still need to pay import tax ;) |
| 15:41.32 | derf | #!/usr/bin/make -f |
| 15:41.32 | derf | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk |
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| 15:41.42 | X-Fade | wazd: Which is VAT + extra charge ;) |
| 15:41.48 | lardman|home | in which case check that make clean removes the binary |
| 15:41.48 | Stskeeps | hrw: yes, of course - intra-EU VAT. you'll pay polish VAT |
| 15:41.51 | sivang | derf: add debug to debhelper.mk and see what it does |
| 15:42.04 | Stskeeps | hrw: (eventually) |
| 15:42.11 | derf | sivang: This is on the autobuilder. |
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| 15:42.33 | hrw | Stskeeps: no VAT for me this time |
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| 15:42.35 | X-Fade | derf: autobuilder is no magic. |
| 15:42.42 | sivang | derf: locally it builds fine ? |
| 15:42.43 | Flandry | heh |
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| 15:42.46 | derf | sivang: Right. |
| 15:42.48 | sivang | derf: for x86 ? |
| 15:42.48 | X-Fade | derf: it does exactly the same as you should do locally. |
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| 15:42.56 | sivang | right |
| 15:42.56 | Stskeeps | hrw: mm, not sure your accountant would agree with that, but OK |
| 15:43.04 | derf | X-Fade: I've heard words to that effect before. |
| 15:43.13 | hrw | Stskeeps: I will talk with him in next days |
| 15:43.16 | X-Fade | derf: Check the commands it issues. |
| 15:43.26 | hrw | Stskeeps: ask me about it on friday |
| 15:43.44 | sivang | derf: copy the debhelper make class , add the debug, include it and then upload to the autobuilder and see what happens |
| 15:43.46 | derf | Anyway, the build log includes dh_clean -k |
| 15:44.01 | Stskeeps | hrw: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/index_en.htm , "VAT on goods moving between Member States" |
| 15:44.08 | wazd | X-Fade: I don't remember any VAT when I was buying my HP from US |
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| 15:44.20 | hrw | Stskeeps: if I buy something in Poland I get VAT refund. |
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| 15:44.31 | hrw | Stskeeps: if I sell something then I need to pay VAT for it |
| 15:44.35 | Stskeeps | hrw: yeah, except this is reverse charge |
| 15:44.36 | X-Fade | wazd: Then you didn't import it officially ;) Sneak it past customs? :) |
| 15:44.44 | wazd | X-Fade: nope |
| 15:44.50 | Stskeeps | wazd: importing into EU (if caught), would add VAT on top of your US buy |
| 15:44.50 | wazd | X-Fade: am I mad? :) |
| 15:44.57 | Flandry | sounds like a big vat of ripoff |
| 15:45.47 | Flandry | wazd: buy the Chinese maemo knockoff coming out? :P |
| 15:45.54 | wazd | Stskeeps: what am I importing if I order from Finland to Finland? |
| 15:46.03 | Stskeeps | wazd: in finland everything is sold with VAT |
| 15:46.11 | Stskeeps | wazd: when inside the country |
| 15:46.32 | SaBer | wazd: there is a limit to how much you can import without vat, but normally packages _listed_ as over ~150 euros are held in customs until you pay vat + customs fees |
| 15:46.34 | frals | hmm, both my n900 and sheevaplug arriving this week, i sense next weeks exam is gonna be... interesting |
| 15:47.07 | wazd | SaBer: I order FROM Finland TO Finland. No customs involved |
| 15:47.08 | hrw | Stskeeps: "Goods supplied between taxable persons (or VAT registered traders) are exempted with a right to deduct the input VAT (zero-rated) on despatch if they are sent to another Member States to a person who can give his VAT number in another Member State. " |
| 15:47.16 | Stskeeps | hrw: right |
| 15:47.25 | Stskeeps | hrw: read the sentence below |
| 15:47.35 | SaBer | wazd: that was re: "I don't remember any VAT when I was buying my HP from US" |
| 15:47.52 | SaBer | wazd: that is if you order from the US to FI |
| 15:48.10 | wazd | SaBer: I'm not in europe anyway :) |
| 15:48.17 | hrw | Stskeeps: anyway accountant will worry about it |
| 15:48.24 | Stskeeps | hrw: yeah, they're good for that :P |
| 15:49.07 | Stskeeps | wazd: i would have to pay 22% (if i can't subtract it somehow in my VAT accounting) as well |
| 15:49.19 | hrw | Stskeeps: Polish VAT act is disaster which needs lot of experience to comply with |
| 15:49.25 | Stskeeps | hrw: tell me about it.. |
| 15:49.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:49.32 | Stskeeps | wazd: the difference here is that your VAT is paid on the spot in finland |
| 15:49.38 | hrw | Stskeeps: it was made ~6 years ago and got loooooot of changes |
| 15:49.58 | hrw | Stskeeps: I moved my paperwork to accountants after over 2 years of doing it myself |
| 15:50.09 | Stskeeps | wazd: technically you might be able to remove the VAT when you leave finlad |
| 15:50.47 | sivang | I wonder what's the price for the sheeva plugs here... |
| 15:51.01 | suihkulokki | #define here |
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| 15:51.37 | derf | Hmm, even with -i in dpkg-buildpackage, it is still include .svn crap. |
| 15:51.43 | hrw | sivang: why not openrd-client instead of sheevaplug? |
| 15:51.47 | derf | And it's also including the armel binary. |
| 15:52.19 | Stskeeps | wazd: so you'll end on 250 EUR again |
| 15:52.22 | X-Fade | derf: -I.svn |
| 15:52.30 | derf | X-Fade: Yes, that is what I'm trying now. |
| 15:52.42 | derf | I also did a make clean first. |
| 15:52.49 | homeasvs | X-Fade, can you check that erlang build again to see where it is ? |
| 15:53.00 | fabrice | Hiisty, anyone knows waht is the gstreamer audio source on a n810 ? |
| 15:53.00 | X-Fade | homeasvs: Just did, still going ;) |
| 15:53.05 | X-Fade | homeasvs: Let me check the file. |
| 15:53.26 | derf | Hey, the tar.gz is half the size now. |
| 15:53.34 | X-Fade | homeasvs: OTP-PUB-KEY.set.asn |
| 15:53.52 | homeasvs | X-Fade, ok, good, so it's not hung and will likely complete this decade! |
| 15:54.01 | derf | Let's see if that does any better. |
| 15:54.07 | homeasvs | X-Fade, what distro runs on the builders ? |
| 15:54.21 | homeasvs | X-Fade, also, any plans to make output available as the build progresses in the future ? |
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| 15:54.35 | wazd | Stskeeps: tax free? |
| 15:54.44 | X-Fade | homeasvs: debian etch ;) |
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| 15:55.26 | Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, but i'm honestly not sure it works with DDP P |
| 15:55.41 | X-Fade | homeasvs: We're just receiving new hardware for builder etc. We might want to add that feature. |
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| 15:55.59 | X-Fade | homeasvs: Can you file an enhancement request against the autobuilder? |
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| 15:56.25 | homeasvs | X-Fade, sure, where do I do that exactly ? |
| 15:56.26 | Stskeeps | wazd: anyway, the VAT mind trick is something that's normal to have to deal with in EU :P |
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| 15:57.40 | X-Fade | homeasvs: bugs.maemo.org |
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| 16:01.31 | homeasvs | X-Fade, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6723 |
| 16:01.32 | povbot` | Bug 6723: Would be great if it would be possible to see build log of in-progress build |
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| 16:02.22 | Jaffa | has restuck his nose into "devs should get karma" thread on -community, despite promising he wouldn't (after I got told off for duping discussion) |
| 16:02.26 | jebba900 | oh that would rule |
| 16:03.03 | X-Fade | homeasvs: thanks |
| 16:03.33 | jebba900 | X-Fade, what does just receiving mean? it arrived today? |
| 16:04.04 | X-Fade | jebba900: Yes, some of the new servers got delivered today. |
| 16:04.35 | andre__ | yay, new servers. so less bitching in forum/bugzilla :-P |
| 16:04.54 | jebba900 | build server? yes but when online? |
| 16:04.55 | X-Fade | Now we _only_ need to configure them ;) |
| 16:05.05 | cehteh | maybe they held the devices back because they had not enough servers yet? :) |
| 16:05.13 | cehteh | *waiting* ... |
| 16:05.19 | jebba900 | i can do that :) |
| 16:05.31 | GAN900 | Fring. . . . |
| 16:05.39 | GAN900 | Scourge of my existence. |
| 16:05.59 | X-Fade | GAN900: Just disable extras-devel and testing and it doesn't work ;) |
| 16:06.17 | lbt_ | Jaffa: bad boy! |
| 16:06.26 | X-Fade | GAN900: Cross repository dependencies, you got to love it.. |
| 16:07.00 | Jaffa | lbt_: I know. It's almost like I'm a snobbish elitist who thinks we have more focused and intelligent discussions on mailing lists |
| 16:07.15 | lbt_ | ooh controversial.... |
| 16:07.29 | lbt_ | oh, wait, no. Well established principle :) |
| 16:07.34 | odin_ | brainstorming is intelligent !!! |
| 16:07.35 | jeremiah | Yeah! |
| 16:07.40 | jeremiah | here here |
| 16:07.49 | GAN900 | X-Fade, remember the .install that added the SDK repo? |
| 16:07.49 | lbt_ | jeremiah: there there actually |
| 16:07.52 | odin_ | gets out his flip chart and phat marker pen... ok who wants to start? |
| 16:08.01 | GAN900 | We should require these guys to go through Ovi. |
| 16:08.09 | X-Fade | GAN900: yes. Now they are in Nokia Apps. |
| 16:08.10 | jeremiah | Then again, there is always IRC where the conversaton i oten uplifting. |
| 16:08.42 | lbt_ | derf: dunno what your problem is - caught a local/autobuild mismatch, Be aware that local builds may use -dev pkgs you installed but forgot to declare in your .dsc |
| 16:08.53 | GAN900 | Jaffa, I say we limit intelligent discussion to secret summits. |
| 16:09.20 | odin_ | all intelligent discussion to be moved to #maemo-brainstorming |
| 16:09.46 | hrw | bug #6718 |
| 16:09.47 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6718 Lack of modplug plugin for GStreamer |
| 16:09.55 | hrw | TomaszD: can you look? |
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| 16:10.21 | jeremiah | ?c |
| 16:10.40 | Jaffa | GAN900: I'm sure that's happening. After all, I've not seen anything from a particularly vocal council member who seems to have gone quiet. I can *only* assume he's busy working behind the scenes... |
| 16:10.56 | lbt_ | VDVsx: a library gets 10% of any app that Build-Depends on it? |
| 16:10.58 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Airport free wifi? :) |
| 16:11.15 | hrw | http://discuss.gdgt.com/nokia/n900/general/Maemo-vs-Android-what-makes-Maemo-a-winner-/ |
| 16:11.28 | X-Fade | KISS |
| 16:11.47 | X-Fade | Please, don't suggest walking a dependency tree for karma calc. |
| 16:12.13 | jeremiah | So - did that build of erlang go through? |
| 16:12.17 | Stskeeps | we should get karma for maemo.gitorious.org contributions, btw |
| 16:12.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:12.47 | hrw | Stskeeps: good idea |
| 16:13.06 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, and from garage, svn commits, oloh, .... :P |
| 16:13.07 | Stskeeps | i vote it being done on basis of merge requests |
| 16:13.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:13.21 | VDVsx | ...from feed the dog :P |
| 16:13.21 | Jaffa | X-Fade: correct |
| 16:13.43 | lardman|home | so this is what an ipod sees: www.google.co.uk/maps/m?view=data&mode=latitude&source=mog&gl=uk |
| 16:13.50 | lardman|home | jaffa do you have latitude enabled? |
| 16:13.54 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: LoC is useless, merge requests are saner |
| 16:14.24 | VDVsx | is making his first brainstorming proposal o_0 |
| 16:14.34 | rikshot-wrk | Right, got the signal for the camera shutter. Now, is there a way to block it from reaching the camera application? |
| 16:14.35 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, make a brainstorm for that ? |
| 16:14.42 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: after thesis, yeah |
| 16:14.45 | fnordianslip | ponders implementing a custom telepathy connection manager for text chat and possibly voice and wonders how insanely difficult it would be |
| 16:14.47 | Stskeeps | when are council elections again, btw? |
| 16:14.47 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 16:15.21 | VDVsx | oct + 6 months |
| 16:15.23 | Jaffa | lardman|home: no, cos I've never had a device capable of running it |
| 16:15.24 | Stskeeps | ah, march |
| 16:15.46 | lardman|home | Jaffa: well it runs on the desktop too |
| 16:15.58 | Jaffa | lardman|home: but they don't have GPSes |
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| 16:16.07 | Stskeeps | so we'll have debian stable and hopefully seeing PB ousted out of office. excellent. |
| 16:16.13 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: some do |
| 16:16.20 | lardman|home | Jaffa: and it runs on-device too, in the webbrowser |
| 16:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: real GPSs |
| 16:16.32 | lardman|home | using the gps link |
| 16:16.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/iphone-3g-uses-infineon-pmb-2525-hammerhead-ii-gps-reciever-631233/ |
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| 16:18.11 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, is a new debian coming soon ? |
| 16:18.12 | Acedip | fennec is not for maemo 5? |
| 16:18.17 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: march it seems |
| 16:18.33 | VDVsx | is a bit apart from the debian world these days |
| 16:18.58 | lardman|home | can tcpdump filter its output data on a per-proces basis? |
| 16:19.11 | VDVsx | Acedip, firefox mobile exist for maemo5 |
| 16:19.16 | VDVsx | *exists |
| 16:19.17 | lardman|home | rather hard to pick apart the latitude data stuff from the other crap my windows box is doing |
| 16:19.43 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Well, yes - but none of *my* desktops |
| 16:20.00 | Jaffa | lardman|home: What browser? microb with the geolocation add-on? |
| 16:20.10 | lbt_ | X-Fade: I can see that dep-tree for karma is not KISS.... otoh, it is *the* definition of usefulness for a library |
| 16:20.26 | lardman|home | Jaffa: yes |
| 16:20.31 | Stskeeps | dependancy trees are simple, just ask apt to dump it for you |
| 16:20.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:20.33 | Jaffa | lardman|home: Interesting. |
| 16:20.51 | lardman|home | using the google home page applet, I'm just wondering if it will link in for the iPhone webapp |
| 16:20.56 | Stskeeps | and interpret the graphviz format |
| 16:21.19 | lardman|home | tries now |
| 16:21.45 | Klowner | contemplating.. attempt talking to a human at Nokia/Brightpoint and attempt to either demand they send another unit or give me a refund and re-order, or just call Mastercard and let them deal with contacting a human |
| 16:21.51 | X-Fade | Karma should be simple, there are so many things where time is better spent on. |
| 16:22.12 | JosefAssad | just out of curiosity; how much pain and suffering can I expect if I enable extras-testing and stick with apps that have reasonable (maybe >=5) karma? |
| 16:22.18 | chaosteil | hey guys |
| 16:22.53 | chaosteil | just want to know.. I have built an app that changes the profile based on the GPS location, aaand I have a question related to that |
| 16:23.01 | chaosteil | several possibly |
| 16:23.18 | chaosteil | first, does that sound useful? would you use that? |
| 16:23.27 | JosefAssad | chaosteil: +1 |
| 16:23.52 | jebba | JosefAssad: the biggest pain comes from possibly filling your device to 100%. If you dont do that, little pain |
| 16:24.00 | Acedip | VDVsx: but it is not in the repo with the name "fennec" ? |
| 16:24.18 | Stskeeps | chaosteil: if the profile support was better, yeah :P |
| 16:24.23 | JosefAssad | chaosteil: I'd certainly try it for a week. I might like to have a profile for this location and then another profile for anywhere else. i.e. work profile, and non-work profile |
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| 16:24.44 | JosefAssad | jebba: oh. Otify to the rescue then. I can handle that |
| 16:24.45 | Jaffa | chaosteil: Yes; but as long as it doesn't drain the battery (for example, my usage could be met with coarse accuracy from liblocation - purely based on GSM towers nearby, which it abstracts for you) |
| 16:24.46 | chaosteil | JosefAssad: yeah, that was the idea |
| 16:24.47 | VDVsx | Acedip, I think you need to add a special repository for firefox mobile |
| 16:24.47 | JosefAssad | jebba: thanks |
| 16:25.01 | JosefAssad | chaosteil: well, count me in. I'd definitely try such an app out |
| 16:25.04 | VDVsx | Acedip, google should know that ;) |
| 16:25.07 | lardman|home | Jaffa: yep, seems to work |
| 16:25.08 | lardman|home | :) |
| 16:25.12 | chaosteil | Jaffa: that would be actually my next question regarded to the app |
| 16:25.22 | chaosteil | do gps apps on maemo eat a lot of memory? |
| 16:25.26 | lardman|home | Jaffa: join & send me a request to share, etc |
| 16:25.29 | chaosteil | I don't have a device, so I'm unable to test, really |
| 16:25.36 | chaosteil | eh |
| 16:25.39 | chaosteil | *battery |
| 16:25.39 | lardman|home | just popping to the shop but will say yes when I get back |
| 16:25.39 | jeremiah | \ |
| 16:25.41 | JosefAssad | chaosteil: maybe to avoid draining the battery, have an option to use cell id instead? |
| 16:26.01 | lardman|home | jumps for joy |
| 16:26.04 | chaosteil | does liblocation have an option for that? |
| 16:26.34 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 16:26.39 | lardman|home | though is sligtly worried that his blue circle of uncertainty encompasses the whole of Bath, perhaps I need a proper GPS pos not just a cell id one |
| 16:26.51 | Acedip | VDVsx: and how do you "backspace" on the maemo5 sdk? |
| 16:27.21 | VDVsx | Acedip, humm ? |
| 16:27.54 | chaosteil | erm, and another thing, does anyone have some resources how to properly make a autorunning daemon on maemo? or just the standard debian method? couldn't find anything proper |
| 16:28.22 | Acedip | VDVsx: i meant how do you delete/backspace when typing in the browser on maemo5 sdk, for say on twitter.com ? |
| 16:28.49 | VDVsx | Acedip, dunno never used the browser inside sbox |
| 16:28.53 | VDVsx | has a device |
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| 16:29.28 | Jaffa | chaoliblocation is your friend |
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| 16:30.51 | javispedro | ah.. yet another negative vote for openttd :( |
| 16:31.06 | chaosteil | ohhhhh |
| 16:31.11 | chaosteil | how does openttd play on a real device? |
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| 16:31.33 | javispedro | on N810 it plays perfectly fine (thanks to big screen) |
| 16:31.49 | petteri | where are the links/shortcuts that I add to desktop. I wan't to add a new one there |
| 16:31.51 | JosefAssad | all /me needs is nethack or the like... *sigh* |
| 16:31.51 | chaosteil | sweet |
| 16:32.16 | Jaffa | lardman|home: Within iGoogle or is there a standalone page? (And where's the location add-on gone? apt's not finding it - is it -devel?) |
| 16:33.00 | VDVsx | any brainstorm expert around ? how do I add a talk link in a proposal ? |
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| 16:35.12 | lopz | hola :/ |
| 16:36.00 | FIQ | is there a psx emu for maemo? :p |
| 16:37.19 | jebba | you got brainstorm to load? I dont think i've ever actually seen that page yet. |
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| 16:39.22 | hullfandan | has anyone installed the 4.x (i.e. diablo) SDK over the fremantle SDK. I have installed SDK+ and was hoping to use that but I can't it to download binaries or to compile the examples. So I am heading back to the land of sbox 1 but I don't want to fubar my fremantle SDK as that is working nicely |
| 16:39.44 | aspidites | my return key doesn't work in xterm under scratchbox. i remember finding some keyboard shortcut to mimick the functionality but cant seem to find it anymore |
| 16:39.50 | chaosteil | ctrl+enter |
| 16:39.57 | aspidites | chaosteil: not working |
| 16:40.01 | hrw | jebba: logout then |
| 16:40.11 | chaosteil | interesting.. ctrl+enter always worked for me :( |
| 16:40.44 | aspidites | nvm figured it out. in my host machine, i have swapcaps inabled in xkb options but that isn't sent to scratchbox |
| 16:41.29 | RST38h | hullfandan: downloading binaries is done with apt-get install from inside sb2 |
| 16:41.38 | aspidites | works now, but very awkward. maybe i can just set up the same options in scratchbox :) |
| 16:41.39 | aspidites | thanks guys |
| 16:41.40 | zaheerm | lardman|home, cool i got latitude working from that url you pasted |
| 16:41.43 | aspidites | and gals? |
| 16:41.44 | jebba | according to bugzilla they are still waiting on the *ISP* for the server move. Geez, what shit ISP? Servers should be set up in a matter of a few days.... especially in europe etc... |
| 16:42.33 | zaheerm | Jaffa, maemo-geolocation (in extras-devel) |
| 16:42.55 | chaosteil | is there a way to test portrait mode on the maemo 5 sdk? |
| 16:43.23 | skule | is there a place where you can see what is planned for the next N900 update ? |
| 16:43.38 | odin_ | skule, crystal ball |
| 16:44.01 | Jaffa | zaheerm: ta |
| 16:44.11 | Jaffa | skule: gitorious, perhaps |
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| 16:44.48 | lardman|home | re |
| 16:44.55 | zaheerm | skule, for an overall picture, noone will tell us until it is released, all that is known is browser portrait mode and maybe better email performance |
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| 16:45.16 | Jaffa | lardman|home: Email address to add you as a friend? |
| 16:45.19 | zaheerm | and extras by default |
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| 16:48.09 | hullfandan | RST38h: I was following the manual install guide for Karmic / 9.10 which fails at this point 'maemo-sdk install binaries diablo4.1.2_armel' The rootstrap versions install this way just not the binaries. Is there a way to get round this with apt? If so please tell as other people are also having this problem according to the SDK+ forum |
| 16:48.10 | RST38h | yes |
| 16:48.10 | RST38h | in fact you misunderstood the instructions I think |
| 16:48.11 | hullfandan | not for the first time :) |
| 16:48.11 | RST38h | this installs rootstrap but not the binaries |
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| 16:48.11 | hullfandan | and not for the last either :) |
| 16:48.11 | RST38h | do this: |
| 16:48.11 | RST38h | sb2 -e |
| 16:48.11 | zaheerm | Jaffa, mine is zaheermerali at gmail if you want to test with me |
| 16:48.11 | RST38h | apt-get update |
| 16:48.17 | RST38h | apt-cache pkgnames |grep binar |
| 16:48.26 | RST38h | see if the binaries package is available |
| 16:48.43 | RST38h | if not, you may need to get a special repository key from nokia |
| 16:49.07 | hullfandan | ok apt-get update throws up lots oesf failed to fetch |
| 16:49.12 | hullfandan | whoops |
| 16:49.22 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 16:49.27 | hullfandan | ok thanks for the help though |
| 16:49.28 | timeless_mbp | gtk-update-icon-theme-cache is buggy |
| 16:49.38 | skule | zaheerm, Im hoping for Exchange 2003 support |
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| 16:49.51 | hullfandan | i look into this further, sb2 much nicer to use IMO |
| 16:50.03 | hullfandan | and also probably easier for me to use with code::blocks |
| 16:50.21 | timeless_mbp | andre__: ping :) |
| 16:50.23 | zaheerm | skule, the mfe stuff is not free software, so only nokia people will know whether there will be support for it |
| 16:50.28 | timeless_mbp | i've got a smoking gun for icon cache |
| 16:50.45 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, pong |
| 16:50.49 | Jaffa | zaheerm: Cool, hang on |
| 16:50.49 | andre__ | who hasn't? |
| 16:51.02 | timeless_mbp | andre__: if i file it into bugs.maemo can you take it somewhere? |
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