IRC log for #maemo on 20091207

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19:33.39lcuksmears javispedro's face with some tapas
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19:33.54javispedroah, the missing tapas.
19:33.54lcukespecially smelly stale tapas
19:34.08RevdKathylcuk... only tapas? why not some good hot chilli
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19:34.18ruskieremembers that after all the reflashes he did he forgot to set a fresh alarm...
19:34.21lcuk:D
19:34.28SpeedEvilnever underestimate the bandwidth of a speeding station wagon filled with tapas.
19:34.32KlownerI just want to punch the NokiaCare people in the face
19:34.40SpeedEvilKlowner: :(
19:34.48ruskiewhy?
19:34.51lcukKlowner, err thats a bit far
19:34.55lcukhands him some tapas
19:35.03javispedrobtw, how to attach a z buffer to the iphone egl context? MWAHAHA
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19:35.09Flandrymm tapas
19:35.15Gadgetoid_iMacWooo dawgy
19:35.25Flandrysend that high-bandwidth wagon my way
19:35.31lcukkathy were you dropped off in the right place?
19:35.37lcukand did you get back smoothly
19:35.52lcukwants more kangaroo meat
19:35.53KlownerI sent my N900 back on tuesday, fedex dropped it off to them on wednesday and the only information I can get regarding the replacement was a notification that it was received on friday
19:36.05Klownertrying to call them only results in being transferred repeatedly
19:36.15Klownerand being subjected to terrible overdriven jazz music
19:36.17Disconnectthe person you need is in sauna today
19:36.20Klownerthat in itself warrants a facepunch
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19:38.13RevdKathylcuk I was not quite at the right place, but I got back fine thanks. Car was fine,drive home uneventful thanks
19:38.18RevdKathyYou got back ok?
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19:39.02DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/tools/free/binary-armel/Packages 404 :-S
19:39.14SpeedEvil:/
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19:39.30lcukyeah RevdKathy very tired tho
19:39.36lcuki was on my last legs
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19:39.53RevdKathyI had to leave work early cos I was so shattered today, lcuk
19:40.02StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/tools/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz
19:40.04VinkHi
19:40.15VinkI am trying to install the Maemo SDK
19:40.23VinkI get the following error..
19:40.38VinkW: Failed to fetch http://debian.o-hand.com/edgy/Packages  404 Not Found
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19:40.52johnsqHi
19:40.56javispedrohi
19:40.59DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, hmm, the wiki "one click install repo" link is quite borked then
19:42.09DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, how would I change settings in progman catalog settings to make that work?
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19:43.42StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: what error do you get?
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19:44.21Flandryhi RevdKathy, not seen you on #maemo before
19:44.53DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, compared the settings with those suggested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
19:44.58RevdKathyIt's my first time. I've not been on IRC since #trekbbs got closd down about 6 years ago!
19:45.10DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, error 404
19:45.17ruskiecontemplates if messing with /etc/osso-af-init/locale will break anything
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19:47.50jebba"Connected to Asterisk 1.6.1.11-1 currently running on Nokia-N900-42-11"    Cool. Getting ready to upload to extras-devel now  :=)
19:48.04ruskielol
19:48.07DocScrutinizer51jebba, heh
19:48.09ruskieoverkill :)
19:48.16ruskiechanged his hostname
19:48.17DocScrutinizer51yoh
19:48.19jebbahtop even uses more CPU than asterisk (with one call, playing a sound)
19:48.26jebbaOVERKIILZ
19:48.28ruskieto what my primary mobile device is usually named
19:49.43RevdKathylcuk - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=415068#post415068
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19:50.56zgoldGreetings!  Does anybody know if any attempt has been made to get things like espxe or other playstation/ps2 emulators to work on the N900?
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19:54.40maxxleHi! For my n900-box: I open Filemanager and select the device. Then i'm in something like an homedirectory. Which point in real filesystem is it?
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19:54.53zgoldmaxxle: /home/user
19:54.58javispedro/home/user/MyDocs
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19:55.31Venomrushhmm im having problems connecting to my wifi
19:55.39Venomrushjust had to reboot router
19:55.41wazdzgold: well, we have PS3 only yet
19:55.46maxxleno it seems to be another directory.
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19:55.56Venomrushis there a way to renew local IP?
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19:56.07zgoldwazd: 3?
19:56.13ali1234zgold: if you attempt it, try to get the software renderer to work first, GL plugins will be harder.
19:56.14javispedromaxxle: it's /home/user/MyDocs which corresponds to the VFAT volume on the 32 GiB eMMC.
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19:56.18dmj7261lcuk: how was the conference?
19:56.39lcukdmj7261, dreamy :)
19:56.42wazdzgold: kidding, but PS2 sounds the same as PS3 though :)
19:56.51jebbauh, so if i changed and uploaded a new ssh pubkey to garage, how long does it take to be "live".  Cuz i'm getting permission denied running this:
19:56.51jebba` scp *.tar.gz *.diff.gz *.changes *.dsc jebba@garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ `
19:56.51jebba(I created a new pubkey for the scratchbox chroot different from my "main" pubkey)
19:56.55maxxlejavispedro: I see a Documents folder in Filemanater. But there is none in xterm?
19:57.05javispedrozgold: a.k.a. impossible. probably no ps2 in n900.
19:57.16javispedromaxxle: "ls -a"
19:57.16dmj7261lcuk: Did you participate in the video editing part?
19:57.21Stskeepsmaxxle: .documents
19:57.29zgoldjavispedro: what about epsxe i.e. ps1 ?
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19:57.50javispedrozgold: pupnik (not here right now) started one for n810
19:58.10maxxleNope - there are no hidden files.
19:58.16javispedroer... for 770 actually.
19:58.33javispedromaxxle: /home/user/MyDocs.
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19:58.43zgoldjavispedro: if the 770 can run ps1 then i'de think the n900 should be able to run ps1 games flawlessly
19:58.59dolfun_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gZg7tWx5Zc  Little Big Adcenture on the n900
19:59.14lcukdmj7261, no actually but i think i can create a prototype for the ui fairy quickly
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19:59.28maxxlewtf!? 'ls -l' and 'ls -la' don't list hidden files in my /home/user/MyDocs. I can cd to it by "cd . <TAB>"
19:59.34dmj7261did you guys make a mockup or anything?
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19:59.43VinkErr http://debian.o-hand.com edgy/ Packages.. while maemo installation...
19:59.52Vinkany soultion?
20:00.01javispedrozgold: the 770 could run them at 0.5fps or the like. don't expect the n900 to run them at 60fps, specially with a sw renderer.
20:00.13aSIMULAtorhi
20:00.14dolfun_zgold, that psx from pupnik was a 1 fps joke
20:00.25Stskeepsdolfun_: oh fuck yes
20:00.50zgoldso basically the short answer is nobody is doing for the n900 yet
20:00.57dolfun_but at lease it shows how much work to do
20:01.17dolfun_zgold, the guy who does the iphone version maybe does n900 also
20:01.46Arkenoianyone built maemopad+ for fremantle?
20:01.55konttoriGadgetoid: yeah, it works best on mac, it works on linux as well, but atm not on windows
20:02.26dmj7261lcuk: Did you see my mockups?
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20:02.34konttoriwazd: yeah, 8 hours might work if you are making a theme based on some existing graphic sets, e.g. from a game, another OS, movie gfx or alike.
20:02.36ruskieArkenoi, sounds familiar I think I've seen it in some repo not sure though
20:02.46lcuki saw a wodge of mockups, i want to see them online though
20:02.53DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10002
20:03.09ali1234zgold: there's a ps1 emulator for windows mobile which runs fairly well on much worse hw than n900 has
20:03.23lcukdmj7261, best thing about this stage of concepting is it doesnt matter what tools or technologies are used to build the apps
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20:03.43dmj7261I couldn't make it to Barthelona, so I'd be curious what you guy came up with.
20:04.18dmj7261lcuk: http://imagebin.org/74067 http://imagebin.org/74066
20:04.53StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: isn't it sdk/tools?
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20:05.08ruskieno
20:05.13lcukdmj7261, there was a huge amount of interest  in the video editor (we knew there was anyway) and there was at least 20 concept pages floating around
20:05.22lcukfor all different aspects of apps
20:05.26lcukof the app
20:05.44jebbahomeasvs_: this lists a little bit of info about what's in the build queue. Perhaps you can find a lead thru there:   https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php
20:06.03DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, dunno. just clicked and accepted the one-click install for the catalog
20:06.05Guest62670lol  'lcuk' = nothing but conceptual  :)
20:06.46DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, alsomcompared the settings shown in screenshot dialog with those suggested on wiki
20:07.00lcukGuest62670, yeah you are right
20:08.30Guest62670too bad though. u got some good concepts lcuk but seriously...nothing ever comes from them. too bad.
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20:08.43aSIMULAtorlcuk, what's your email? so i can email you the interaction design i just wrote up
20:08.50aSIMULAtori'll do the graphics and layout design guidelines tomorrow hahehehaheh
20:09.08lcukhey adele you are awake :D
20:09.14lcukim just goin sleep
20:09.29aSIMULAtorwuuuuut hehe
20:09.31aSIMULAtorit's 8 pm there
20:09.34aSIMULAtoryeah i took a 3 hr nap
20:09.34lcukGuest62670, ive worked for 1 year on something.  its not conceptual, its just slow on my own
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20:09.42homeasvs_jebba, huh, yeah, but that's weird, an hour ago that page was empty, and it lists stuff from a few hours ago
20:09.44dmj7261aSIMULAtor: you've done mockups too?
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20:10.01ruskiehmm is it just me or does modest actually have issues with imap... from what I can tell I'm missing a folder or few
20:10.01aSIMULAtorbiked 25km to get rid of all this fat around my stomach which has accumulated over the weekend
20:10.05aSIMULAtoryz dmj7261
20:10.14lcukhmmm aSIMULAter wonder how that got there
20:10.20dmj7261cool...I'd be curious about them.
20:10.20aSIMULAtoryeah i wonder too
20:10.22aSIMULAtorponders
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20:10.24tigerttapas :)
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20:10.29tigertmmmm
20:10.30aSIMULAtoroh more than tapas
20:10.33lcuklol tigert
20:10.33GAN900Ugg
20:10.34aSIMULAtori think it's the 400g steak too
20:10.36aSIMULAtorand all teh churros
20:10.40aSIMULAtorand all the waffles i ate
20:10.44lcukand all thatchocolate!
20:10.45aSIMULAtorand that hot chocolate
20:10.48GAN900AT&T is NY. :(
20:10.52dmj7261with tasty spanish hot chocolate
20:11.06KMFDMaSIMULAter, good thing they didn't have stroopwafels too
20:11.09aSIMULAtordmj7261 were you at the conference this weekend?
20:11.11KMFDMthen you'd have really been done for
20:11.15dmj7261...There's a nice chocolateria in Madrid
20:11.17aSIMULAtorugh damn it
20:11.19aSIMULAtoreverywhere i go kmfdm
20:11.21aSIMULAtori always gain weight
20:11.22dmj7261I wish I could have gone.
20:11.23GAN900tigert, went back to my room, repacked my bag and the next thing I remember I woke up at 1 AM. <_<
20:11.33aSIMULAtori'm running out of stroopwafels so see you in february kmfdm :P
20:11.38aSIMULAtorand gouda
20:11.50KMFDMaSIMULAter, when you are here were are dragged your ass to a real stroopwafel tent
20:11.50javispedroGAN900: but you are safe now? :)
20:11.59KMFDMnone of this store bought crap
20:12.05KMFDMand definitely not the 5x the price tourist junk you got last time :p
20:12.12ruskielol
20:12.13GAN900javispedro, back on US soil and it feels so good.
20:12.14aSIMULAtorok sounds good
20:12.18jebbahomeasvs_: how did you upload your files?
20:12.19tigertGAN900: :)
20:12.19aSIMULAtori think by then, i don't care about my weight :P
20:12.20GAN900Had a Whopper.
20:12.25javispedrohaha
20:12.36Stskeepsmm, burger king
20:12.46tigertbought some Bellota ham
20:12.48javispedrothere was both burger king and mc in the shopping mall
20:12.55GAN900aSIMULAtor, I'm disappointed I didn't manage to track you down after Friday.
20:12.58tigertthanks to the tip by one of the guys whose name I now dont remember
20:13.03tigertyesterday night
20:13.06dmj7261aSIMULAtor: I didn't get a chance to go, so I'd becurious to see what you have.
20:13.09GAN900javispedro, yes, but this is BK in the US. :p
20:13.10tigert100g of enjoyment
20:13.13tigertit was awesome
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20:13.21Guest62670is there an irc channel for maemo users? non-developers?
20:13.33tigertGuest62670: there is just #maemo as far as I know
20:13.33javispedrothis is for talking about Bellota ham.
20:13.34yannjmAx is better than BK (sweden)
20:13.43DocScrutinizer-8ok, definitely on this site http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation this link http://mg.pov.lt/770/tools-repository.install does not work
20:13.43jebbaGuest62670: this is it. There is #maemo-devel too, but not so much in there!
20:13.48aSIMULAtorsure dmj7261
20:13.53tigertwe all seem to fit here so far
20:13.57dolfun_javispedro, you have tried the joydev kernel module?
20:14.05Guest62670thanks jebba
20:14.05dolfun_or still no n900?
20:14.15GAN900only has 6 more hours until he gets home.
20:14.16javispedrodolfun_: what do you want the joydev module for?
20:14.19Flandrydolfun_: there isn't one
20:14.25dolfun_i have loaded
20:14.28aSIMULAtorwell i propose that we should start a maemo-ui channel
20:14.37aSIMULAtorfor those interested in getting ux design consultancy with their apps
20:14.38dolfun_but uqm does not seem to take joystik
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20:14.54Flandrydolfun_: what did you do?
20:14.57mikhasGAN900, ugh ... where are you currently? already US I'd assume?
20:14.58dolfun_Flandry  module is avail
20:15.02javispedrono joydev in the default firmware here
20:15.03aSIMULAtori just joined there so whomever is interested :P
20:15.08GAN900mikhas, JFK.
20:15.08dolfun_bugs.maemo.org attachment
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20:15.18GAN900Flight to Tampa is at 5:10
20:15.19Flandrydolfun_: yeah i put that there :D
20:15.19Guest62670id love a 'legacy' channel where I could hang with other Diablo users :)
20:15.21mmatthanyone have any experience with maemosec-certman for managing ssl certificates... does it work?
20:15.28DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, Stskeeps could you help me out?
20:15.32tigertaSIMULAtor: I propose we keep it here for now
20:15.35tigertsince it all fits here ok
20:15.40jebbaaSIMULAtor: just use #maemo-devel perhaps, since is devel issue.
20:15.45Flandrybut how did you install it
20:15.51tigertlets split when there is too much stuff for everything
20:16.03javispedro(which will be soon, now with 485 users)
20:16.08jebbatigert: well, i think this channel + -devel is reasonable.
20:16.11javispedrodid this channel ever got more than 500?
20:16.14tigertaSIMULAtor: doing channels just splits the community, lets avoid it unless it is unavoidable
20:16.24jebbasince devel issues get buried in "my mic dont work" or how do i install an app questions.
20:16.26GAN900tigert, easier to asynch without the massive scrollback, though.
20:16.36tigertsure
20:16.45aSIMULAtorwell, there's really no split per se, it could just be a branch off from this channel, still official
20:16.49Flandrydolfun_: how did you install the module, and what is it you are trying to do?
20:16.51dolfun_Flandry do you have a zeemoted driver built that could control UQM\
20:16.51tigertyeah
20:16.51aSIMULAtorthis channel is inundated with various topics
20:16.51Stskeepstigert: we had a positive experience doing that with Mer - it's also about having a place to 'grow a subcommunity'
20:16.59tigertok
20:17.00Stskeepsand we're 110 people strong in there, heh
20:17.01tigertwell
20:17.02tigertlets see if it works
20:17.07aSIMULAtorbut if people want to get purely ux consultancy then i don't really see a problem with making a ux channel
20:17.10dolfun_i can test that Flandry
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20:17.11aSIMULAtorso it's one to one type deal
20:17.15aSIMULAtori don't think it'll work to be honest :P
20:17.17tigertbut lets do it so, that we move discussion there when needed?
20:17.21mikhassigh, another channel to watch ><
20:17.21aSIMULAtorsure
20:17.25aSIMULAtoroh c'mon
20:17.26GAN900feels like he's somewhere on the Pacific Rim and moving West slowly.
20:17.28aSIMULAtoru ppl are on irc
20:17.28Flandrydolfun_: oh, not that one, sorry
20:17.31dolfun_much better than tilt control---
20:17.38aSIMULAtorirc is meant for joining tons of channels and idling in some :P
20:17.46Flandrydolfun_: did you try tilt control?
20:17.49dolfun_put n900 by television and play sdlgames usig joydev
20:17.50tigertaSIMULAtor: you can really follow just a certain number
20:17.57tigertaSIMULAtor: it might work as a "work room"
20:17.58dolfun_no
20:18.10jebbalobbies harder for #maemo-devel ....
20:18.21Stskeepsjebba900: devel would be good for devel issues
20:18.26dolfun_maybe a N900 channel
20:18.28jebbaStskeeps: heh. exactly
20:18.31tigertwhere we go when there is something that needs some quiet spot for a number of people
20:18.34GAN900Oh, by the way, in case I haven't mentioned it. BCN was awesome!!
20:18.41dolfun_cemetery
20:18.44aSIMULAtoryeah bacon is awesome
20:18.51Guest62670Question: Is osso_xterm the only app to give an OS window on Diablo or are there other command line options?
20:18.54aSIMULAtorsounds good
20:19.01FlandryI'm not sure how the zeemote driver works
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20:19.13ghostmanhttp://www.blauenarzisse.de/v3/index.php/aktuelles/1184-climagate-hacker-ueberfuehren-ipcc-zweigstelle-der-systematischen-luege
20:19.14javispedrothe zeemote maemo driver I've seen doesn't use joydev at all
20:19.14dolfun_tigert you can create a new channel by /join #tigerts_lair
20:19.24jebbalol
20:19.31tigertdolfun_: sure, I know :)
20:19.51dolfun_javispedro - but there is also a thread about zeemote for PC on ubuntu - there they use zeemoted and joydev for sdl game
20:19.51Stskeepsghostman: and the source of global warming is the rage of people who haven't gotten N900's yet? :P
20:20.08Flandrydolfun_: that's an old version of zeemote
20:20.29Flandryit used to used uinput like accelemymote does
20:20.38Guest62670stskeeps, any chance you guys will get your TI drivers before the year is over?
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20:20.50dolfun_do you have an idea how this could work Flandry ?
20:20.55Flandryi can probably hack zeemote to do that, but my first priority is getting accelemymote working
20:20.58DocScrutinizer51~curse tools repo
20:20.59infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, tools repo !
20:20.59ali1234libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-1
20:21.03GAN900thinks we need to get enough people to the Italian weekend to make it Summit 2010: Pt. I. *g*
20:21.03ali1234and how exactly do i do that?
20:21.08Flandrylol
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20:21.20StskeepsGuest62670: current issue is that we do have the MBX access drivers but of course, N8x0's screwed framebuffer setup messes up stuff.
20:21.22dolfun_ok
20:21.29redeemandoes the N900 support bluetooth headsets?
20:21.35tigertwishes for accelerometer -> generic joystick driver
20:21.37DocScrutinizer51yes
20:21.45StskeepsGuest62670: so nothing works.
20:21.47Flandrytigert: that's what it is
20:22.28DocScrutinizer51redeeman, flawlessly
20:22.31tigertFlandry: what?
20:22.36tigertFlandry: oh
20:22.40tigertwhat?
20:22.42tigert:)
20:22.57Arkenoido you have non-english keyboard arrows working in UQM?
20:23.06GAN900Aaah, I'd forgotten I had some Finnish chocolate in my carry on.
20:23.41javispedroso much chocolate
20:23.46javispedrogoes grab some
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20:23.54Guest62670stskeep so with that in mind will Mer move forward? how do you get around N8x0 framerate suckiness?
20:23.59Flandryhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6623
20:24.00povbot`Bug 6623: No Up key and Down key with Finnish keyboard
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20:24.08dolfun_Only way to map all keys in uqm is to prompt user to map upon first run
20:24.15Guest62670framebuffer..not framerate
20:24.16StskeepsGuest62670: we're doing two tracks. GL drivers, and a qtablet based desktop.
20:24.39andre__javispedro, share it! share!
20:24.41dolfun_"press forward button"  "press fire button"
20:24.47DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, could you please share the config of your tools catalog
20:24.50redeemanDocScrutinizer51: how about PAN?
20:25.00StskeepsGuest62670: and the framebuffer issue is one we are looking into. right now, i hope TI will publish their drivers for OMAP2 + libs, and then people can work towards a N8x0 solution.
20:25.00DocScrutinizer51dunno
20:25.02Flandrythe solution is the tilt control
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20:25.25GAN900Mary and her bribes.
20:25.25dolfun_no, because i want to play lying down
20:25.30ruskiehmm uqm using tilting... that would be fun
20:25.44Guest62670crud..how do i pm someone in irc?
20:25.50Flandrydolfun_: it's not that kind of game :P
20:26.00homeasvs_jebba, scp
20:26.01dolfun_<PROTECTED>
20:26.07Guest62670thanks
20:26.12homeasvs_jebba, there is a summary.log that tells me the armel build is in progress
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20:26.51ali1234zgold: ok, i compiled pcsx-reloaded in scratchbox armel target. it runs, but the video plugin failed to compile. looks like a trivial bug though
20:26.53RevdKathyGAN900 I got two bars of Mary's choc. ;)
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20:27.11zgoldali1234: awesome :)
20:27.12ali1234it wants to make a BOOL typedef, but the X headers do the same thing
20:27.41ruskieGuest62670, or /query to get a nice window for it
20:27.45zgoldali1234: if you get that working i'de bet $20 you make front page of engadget =P
20:28.02GAN900RevdKathy, I had to turn down the second. Too much sugar. *g*
20:28.06ruskieomg
20:28.11ruskieps1 on the n900
20:28.11ruskiethat would pwn
20:28.11ali1234zgold: i'd rather have $20
20:28.14dolfun_2 fps coming soon
20:28.30RevdKathyGAN900 I brought them home... to enjoy slowly
20:28.32ruskieI run it on a mobile p3 1GHz with 512mb of mem or so iirc
20:28.40zgoldali1234: make a deb i can install that'll play a FF7 rom and i'll sned you $20
20:28.42ruskieworks well if one uses the hw opengl plugin
20:28.43Flandryanyway for those with the uqm up/down arrow problem that don't want to read the comment in bugzilla, it's an SDL limitation and will be partly resolved when tilt control is added. For that i'm waiting on a kernel module package and testers. My N900 won't arrive for who knows how long.
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20:31.01Flandrydolfun_: I made accelemymote work the way it does specifically so it would be a general solution to allow other joysticks to be used with uqm and to work with other SDL programs. Zeemote should work fine with uqm when it acts like a joystick, which apparently it does not atm.
20:31.23GAN900Woo, 2 minute ping time
20:31.48GAN900No wonder people love AT&T in NY
20:31.52Flandryusing pigeons now?
20:32.13GAN900Apparently
20:32.17GAN900and maybe foxes.
20:32.27jebbawaah.  I knew a POST of 24M upload would barf via firefox..  "  File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" ... (using wizard...)
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20:32.47jebbahomeasvs_: where summary.log?
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20:33.08jebbahomeasvs_: also you wanna come to #maemo-devel so this doesnt get lost between us? ;)
20:33.27GAN900Need to do a BCN wrapup blog
20:33.27GAN900but I need a blog first. . . .
20:33.30ali1234zgold: you might have to settle for a tgz
20:34.07RevdKathyGAN900 I'm doing a hackfest-virgin blog post
20:34.36GAN900RevdKathy, awesome!
20:35.09RevdKathyMy first ever experience of anything like that (apart from the odd sci-fi con which is completely different)
20:35.26Arkenoinokia messaging push works reasonably well. what bothers me is that it is "trial" and no one knows what will ever happen to it later
20:35.29jebbaah, at least scp is going for me now
20:35.44zgoldali1234: I don't think you can upload those to extras =P
20:36.08dolfun_Flandry: i do not understand 'acts like a joystick'.  Could accelemymote eventually let zeemote talk to all sdl-joystick apps?
20:36.27FlandryRevdKathy: would like to read. It will be posted to talk?
20:36.46RevdKathyI will post in LJ, and link to talk.
20:36.57RevdKathyMay take a day or two... I have a lot to say!
20:37.11GAN900Planet.
20:37.12GAN900Please
20:37.17GAN900Good for karma whoring.
20:38.29Flandrydolfun_: The Zeemote app doesn't actually create a joystick device node on the N900. I'm guessing it just provides an API for programs to access, or feeds characters into an apps input stream.
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20:38.44lbthey RevdKathy ... welcome :D
20:38.58RevdKathyHi lbt :)
20:38.59Flandrydolfun_: if it behaved as an actual joystick driver, it would work fine with uqm once you had the joydev module installed
20:39.11Flandrydolfun_: so it will have to be modified to do that
20:39.42pgquiles<PROTECTED>
20:40.01mmatthany users of the maemosec-certman tool called "cmcli" out there?
20:40.21Flandrydolfun_: because it would then be able to work with any program that looks for a joystick, it's a worthwhile change, but i need to get uqm fixed before i will worry about that
20:40.26GAN900lbt, really glad you came, by the way, fleshed out our little docs group perfectly, I think.
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20:40.55wazderm, pong
20:41.04wazdlog is gone, who was asking me? :)
20:41.10lbtGAN900: heh - thanks ... and really good to meet you in person too :)
20:41.19ali1234damn, i wish people would include system headers *before* their own broken crap, it makes their code so much easier to fix
20:41.38lbtGAN900: next time lets make sure we get to grab a meal/drink too
20:41.57derfali1234: Most of the time it's the stupid broken system headers on some obscure platform that need to be "fixed".
20:42.24GAN900Indeed
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20:42.35GAN900lbt, was hoping to end up with the "right" group for dinner on Fri
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20:42.56GAN900but ended up with lame VDVsx, yerga and andy80. :D
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20:43.26ali1234it doesn't really make any difference whose fault it is at this point. i have to fix the code, because the SDK probably isn't going to get fixed (if it is even wrong)
20:43.41lbtGAN900: yeah :(
20:44.34lbttough having to deal with that lot GAN900 ;)
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20:45.21GAN900;)
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20:46.31RevdKathyThere was a 'right' group to dine with? I just had fun with whomever!
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20:47.37GAN900RevdKathy, kidding. ;) But was alluding to qgil/lbt on Friday. ;)
20:48.50jebbaanyone knw if there is a way to find out more about what is going on with the builder? Like a live status page?
20:49.16jebbaright now i just am reloading this, but there is no way to know how much is in front of me in the queue   https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/?C=M;O=A
20:49.17javispedrojebba: there's not.
20:49.26RevdKathyAhhh I missed that. I dined mostly with the docs team. So what did we miss between qgil and lbt?
20:49.31aSIMULAtorright group? yeah i was wondering the same..i just followed whomever wanted to eat loads lke i did
20:49.43lbtI dunno - me, dave, mary and the rest left them way behind ;)
20:49.45mikhasaSIMULAter, you should have joined sebas =)
20:49.58mikhashe was insane
20:50.23aSIMULAtorit was weird, i kept feeling stuffed and kept slapping myself for being a glutton
20:50.30aSIMULAtorthen some nice foods popped up and i just ended up eating more
20:50.36aSIMULAtorOM NOM NOM
20:50.43mikhasheheh, yeah. it was HARD to stop
20:50.51GAN900mikhas, no shit.
20:50.53Gadgetoid_iMacI likes food :(
20:50.58aSIMULAtori likes food too :D
20:51.26GAN900mikhas, had so much fun at the bar on Sat.
20:51.28mikhasthursday was tapas night for us. we ended up on a 200€ bill ... for tapas and 6 people. go figure
20:51.36javispedroO.o
20:51.38mikhasyeah, I love such small places
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20:51.57aSIMULAtorwhere'd you go for tapas?
20:52.02GAN900Ah, damn, anidel pmed me on Talk to get together Sunday night. :(
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20:52.32mikhassebas asked an old woman on plaza catalunya, and we got directed to the "best place to eat tapas" in barcelona or so
20:53.06aSIMULAtorwe went here.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/4159173452/
20:53.07mikhasit was near the parliament
20:53.07javispedrodislikes tapas... I prefer eating something ... "consistent" ;)
20:53.19aSIMULAtorand we were charged 1.80 for every toothpick
20:53.24mikhasooooh right! *checks whether the pics have gps information*
20:53.24aSIMULAtorand holy nom nom nom
20:53.33aSIMULAtoroh no i took out hte info :/
20:53.36mikhastaberna!
20:53.42mikhasthat's the place
20:53.44GAN900mikhas, whenever somebody says "it's all about the people" I'm going to remember you on the metro on Sat. :D
20:53.51lcukbets you are gonna keep the christmas poo on your own fireplace
20:53.55mikhas=p
20:53.58aSIMULAtori'm going to give it to my mom in law
20:54.00aSIMULAtorand tell her it's a poo
20:54.06aSIMULAtorcause i just want to see her reaction
20:54.11fralsbashes his head against JScrollPane and JTable and heads off into wonderland again
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20:54.44lcukdisliked eating pigs ear
20:54.47lcukand fish
20:54.57aSIMULAtormmm fish
20:54.58lcukadored kangaroo
20:54.59GAN900I couldn't get a fix all weekend
20:55.02lbtanyone else here do the vimeo video?
20:55.10lbtand get a release form to sign?
20:55.19toggles_wlcuk: good isn't it
20:55.27lcuktoggles_w, was devine
20:55.37GAN900GPS really doesn't work for shit without cellular.
20:55.38StskeepsGAN900: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337
20:55.39povbot`Bug 5337: Can't get GPS lock without network connection
20:55.39toggles_wdelicious.. stay away frmo the emu though
20:55.39lbtthinks about his steak and snails
20:56.00aSIMULAtorhow did hte kangaroo taste lcuk?
20:56.04aSIMULAtorlike gamey beef?
20:56.08GAN900Glad VDVsx was there to pick tapas for me.
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20:56.29lcukaSIMULAter, it was salty and was just nice
20:56.43lcuktexture was great
20:57.01GAN900had some mini octopus
20:57.03lcukis hungry just thinking about it
20:57.14lcukdeep fried?
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20:57.23lcukdid too
20:57.37aSIMULAtordeep fried everything rules
20:57.56GAN900Cooked in some sort of red sauce.
20:58.02GAN900Gur
20:58.25DocScrutinizerfreaky tools repo "fixed itself"
20:58.29javispedrogoes to eat something :)
20:58.30aSIMULAtordeep fried chocolate with waffles and deep fried icea cream coated with more chocolate
20:58.32javispedrosee you!
20:58.37aSIMULAtorlucky javispedro
20:58.42aSIMULAtorlots of nice dining places there
20:58.46javispedrohehe
20:58.58GAN900I had a fried meal at the mall on Sat and barely managed to sit through dneary and lbt's back and forth after lunch. :D
20:59.15aSIMULAtoroh which place gan?
20:59.49lcukdeep fries aSIMULAtors christmas poo
20:59.58aSIMULAtorwith chocolate lcuk
21:00.00GAN900Something about the grease they use over there did me in.
21:00.00GAN900Um, the one with the greenish sign next to the pizza place.
21:00.11lcuki need beer
21:00.16GAN900Had the two-coure + desert for 11.95
21:00.16aSIMULAtori need chocolate
21:00.23aSIMULAtoroh hrm...i don't remember
21:00.28GAN900s/coure/course/
21:00.32aSIMULAtorate at some catalan restaurant there and some shitty tex mex place
21:00.33RevdKathyI had salad for starter there GAN900 - I think it helped!
21:00.56aSIMULAtortalking about food is making me hungry
21:01.04GAN900RevdKathy, yeah, it's weird because I don't usually have issues with grease.
21:01.42RevdKathyGAN900 I often do - usually eat very low fat. But I was fine. Think I was just on a huge adrenaline high
21:01.45GAN900I mean, I'm from the Southern US. ;)
21:01.47GAN900But something about THAT grease was bad.
21:01.56GAN900Hehe
21:02.10RevdKathyGAN900 I think it was the 'fries'.
21:02.28aSIMULAtormmmmmmm southern food
21:02.36GAN900Yeah, probably, they had a weird color.
21:02.46aSIMULAtorcan u send me some biscuits with gravy
21:02.48aSIMULAtorand some fried chicken
21:02.49mikhasthe fries? that was also calamari IIRC
21:02.55GAN900I'm gonna make some fried chicken and gravy tomorrow.
21:03.09GAN900mikhas, at the mall on Sat @ lunch
21:03.09aSIMULAtormy mouth just all of the sudden became flooded with saliva
21:03.10lcukopens #maemo-food
21:03.12GAN900Not dinner.
21:03.13mikhasah
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21:03.21aSIMULAtori guess this is my charm lcuk, talk about food
21:03.21mikhasoh ... THAT mall
21:03.27mikhasnot too surprised, hah!
21:03.29aSIMULAtorthen slap myself after eating so much
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21:03.46GAN900Too much European food. ;)
21:04.09mikhasit's annoying and somewhat interesting at the same time, but you have the same type of mall everywhere in europe now =/
21:04.13lcuki need to sleep
21:04.15RevdKathyGAN900 - have something nice and local to make up for it
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21:04.24aSIMULAtorhyvää yötä lcuk!
21:04.34aSIMULAtormikhas, it really has infilitrated finland yet
21:04.50RevdKathylcuk me too. Not enough sleep all weekend
21:04.55aSIMULAtorthere are malls, but not so prominent
21:05.04aSIMULAtorthere's also still mom and pop stores too that seem to keep afloat i have no idea how
21:05.05GAN900mikhas, not great, but it was convenient to citilab
21:05.07mikhasoh good
21:05.20aSIMULAtormikhas sorry i can't put a face to your nick
21:05.29aSIMULAtori'm trying to remember who you are
21:05.40mikhasface: =)
21:06.28mikhaswe forgot to make a group photo right?
21:06.35mikhaswell, "forgot"
21:06.35aSIMULAtoryeah :(
21:06.40aSIMULAtorwell there's always next time :)
21:07.02mikhaswe can just go through #maebar flickr uploads and tag our faces
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21:07.39GAN900mikhas, there's one of you in my stream
21:07.44GAN900At dinner on Say
21:07.50mikhascool
21:08.00GAN900Say*
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21:08.06aSIMULAtoroh i should add that tag to my flickr set
21:08.08GAN900Gr
21:08.48mikhasaSIMULAter, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4162826244/in/pool-1328519@N22 <= center guy
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21:09.22GAN900aSIMULAtor, group, too.
21:09.29aSIMULAtorahh i remember you :D
21:09.30lcukmikhas, aSIMULAtor can tag her faeces http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/4159173960/
21:09.48aSIMULAtori just remember you as the guy who was quite positive and happy
21:09.57aSIMULAtorit's a shame we didn't get to talk much at the conference
21:09.59user_sitting in the pub havin a brew lovin the 900
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21:14.44GAN900Bleh, stupid SMS notification wont go away.
21:15.47dm900#heh
21:16.05aSIMULAtorok photos added! :)
21:16.05RevdKathyGAN900 there's a little x in the corner of the notify, if your touch is acurate enough
21:16.23GAN900RevdKathy, no, I know, it's broken.
21:16.33GAN900Notification is stuck.
21:16.44GAN900LED is flashing
21:16.47RevdKathyEek!
21:16.56RevdKathyWhat has caused that?
21:16.59GAN900Is what I mean by "notification"
21:17.08GAN900Dunno
21:17.14GAN900Glitchiness
21:17.17RevdKathywhat colour is it flashing?
21:17.31GAN900blue, for "new SMS". :P
21:17.42aSIMULAtorRevdKathy: is the revd short for reverend?
21:17.50GAN900Turning off the notification for new sms in prefs stops it.
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21:17.56dm900the thing i hsofar is when it locks and you are showimg i off you gotta hit power to get to the slider screen instead of jusr,t touchimg the screen dont know if there away to set it diffrently though i looked
21:18.08dm900hate*
21:18.15RevdKathyaSIMULAtor yes but don';t hold it against me. I'm mostly quite normal
21:18.29GAN900dm900, use the lock slider on the right?
21:18.30DocScrutinizer51GAN900, no yellow notifier to hit in dashboard?
21:18.38aSIMULAtorChurch of England? Lutheran?
21:18.52RevdKathyGAN900 try seeing if there's anything open?
21:19.01aSIMULAtori won't hold it against you i think it's interesting :)
21:19.04GAN900DocScrutinizer51, did, read the SMS, closed the chat window. Flashes on.
21:19.13andre__mikhas, uh, you went to Barca? Didn't even know that :)
21:19.13RevdKathyaSIMULATOR Methodist technically. But I work in healthcare so multifaith
21:19.26GAN900RevdKathy, tempted to restart mce if it wasn't likely to reboot me.
21:19.43DocScrutinizer51GAN900, the question was different though
21:19.53GAN900andre__, why weren't you there, you bastard?
21:19.54RevdKathyGAN900 mce? What's that?
21:20.10slonopotamusCurrently Active Users: 1199 (324 members and 875 guests)
21:20.13slonopotamusomg
21:20.28andre__GAN900: because I'm not really into UI, honey. plus it's nice to not be on a plane every month :-P
21:20.30dm900GAN900: i know bout  that but to see th clock and slide on the screen
21:20.42GAN900DocScrutinizer51, there was, I've since closed it. Thus the bug.
21:20.48dm900ohwell
21:20.54GAN900andre__, yes, but meeee!
21:21.03GAN900Plus we had our own little docs clique
21:21.15DocScrutinizer51GAN900, ok L-/
21:21.36andre__well, next Maemo thingy I'll be around again (except that there's exams)
21:21.57GAN900RevdKathy, machine control entity, Daemon that handles hardware state stuff.
21:22.30RevdKathyGAN900 sounds scary. :s
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21:22.48GAN900I'm never coming back to Europe to spit you. :p
21:23.09andre__GAN900, you still have a few years ;-)
21:24.26GAN900er, spite.
21:24.28RevdKathyAwww GAN900 Not even to meet the rest of us?
21:25.02GAN900RevdKathy, OK, maybe, but don't tell andre__
21:25.19RevdKathyGAN900 deal!
21:26.14andre__hasn't heard anything
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21:26.42andre__whouah. let's call it a day here and finish work, 12h after starting... :-/
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21:26.55andre__you folks file too many bugs ;-)
21:26.56javispedropoor andre__ :P
21:27.03GAN900Hehe
21:27.03javispedrosorry for the duplicated one I filed :P
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21:27.20mikhasandre__, beer?
21:27.21GAN900javispedro, don't appologize. :
21:27.30andre__mikhas, got beer already :-P
21:27.38mikhasheh, prost!
21:27.58andre__javispedro: yeah, I was really disappointed by your behaviour!
21:28.01andre__mikhas, prost
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21:29.13RevdKathyOoh err! 1500 words and I haven;t even got to the actual documents workshop!
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21:32.10mikhasRevdKathy, make a series of posts then
21:32.32RevdKathyI'm about to post the first half... just proof rading
21:33.20ali1234k, it's working (finally)
21:33.21GAN900RevdKathy, multipart is even better for karma whoring.
21:33.29RevdKathyLOL!
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21:33.38GAN900and make sure you get it on http://planet.maemo.org
21:33.44RevdKathyI'm not a karma whore... or any other sort :p
21:33.56RevdKathyI'm not in the planet feed
21:33.59GAN900Yeah, that's what they all say.
21:34.01RevdKathyso it won't be.
21:34.06GAN900Send a request
21:34.16RevdKathyI couldn;t work out how... :(
21:34.22GAN900X-Fade will process it tomorrow, probably.
21:34.38GAN900Link in the right column by the list of blogs.
21:35.32mikhasRevdKathy, but if you dont syndicate your blog none of us will read/find your posts!
21:35.45RevdKathyI'll post a link in tmo
21:35.56GAN900and we wont find it on Talk, either!
21:36.02mikhassince we dont read tmo =p
21:37.13RevdKathyLOL how do I syndicate it then?
21:37.32GAN900Should be a link
21:38.59GAN900http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/
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21:41.22dolfun_is there an alternate podcast downloader than gpodder for maemo?
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21:45.24fnordianslippersdolfun_: you don't like gpodder?
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21:47.08GAN900Hooray
21:47.38GAN900Free in-flight WiFi, I get to pester you guys from 9000'+ tonight. :P
21:47.48GAN900Until then.
21:47.55GAN900offline
21:47.59Stskeepsscary
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21:50.16Disconnectmostly scary he's only at 9000 feet..
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21:56.08b-man17~seen xnt14
21:56.11infobotxnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-71-251-0-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 21h 39m 53s ago, saying: 'ok lol'.
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21:56.56rangeGrrr. Modest still thinks the last mail I got was from yesterday and refuses to refresh the INBOX.
21:57.57waoj #fedora-admin
21:58.12rangeNeed a "/"?
21:58.27Dantonicanyone use xchat on the n900?
21:58.36zgoldali1234: you got it to work?!
21:58.42ali1234yeah
21:58.45ali1234it's kinda slow
21:58.48wazdjavispedro: around?
21:58.53javispedrowazd: yes
21:58.53zgoldali1234: In SB or on the device?
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21:58.56ali1234now RGB screenmodes so it has to do YUV conversion
21:59.01ali1234on the device
21:59.04v2n900xchat works fine
21:59.07wazdjavispedro: heya, I've got something for you :)
21:59.11ali1234almost nothing works right in sbox, in my experience, this included
21:59.19javispedrofeels it will be something good :D
21:59.25zgoldali1234: awesomeness.  Any screenshots? :)
21:59.29ali1234it's running at about 5 fps i guess
21:59.52zgoldany chance of working that out?  Perhaps some opengl es hacking?
21:59.59DantonicNot sure why I just can't connect to any server... on xchat
22:00.04Dantonicjust keeps saying "connecting"
22:00.13ali1234i'm hoping it will be a bit faster after it is done playing the looooong intro to FF7
22:00.15RevdKathyI can't do the aggregate bit tonight - too tired!
22:00.26RevdKathyan I don;t have a pic on my profile
22:00.47RevdKathyanyone who cares part one is here: http://revdkathy.livejournal.com/
22:01.00Dantonichi RevdKathy !
22:01.04zgoldali1234: you really want that $20 =P
22:01.15RevdKathyHi Dantonic
22:01.18ali1234maybe if i get it working to the point where it is playable
22:01.27ali1234it isn't in this state, it's too slow
22:01.34ali1234i wouldn't pay $20 for this
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22:01.50zgoldlol, the terms were "a deb such that i can play ff7"  :)
22:02.09ali1234well you can do that
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22:02.20ali1234if you don't mind that everything takes 5x longer than it should
22:02.29ali1234still it's an improvement on 5fps
22:02.36ghostmanhttp://scfire-dtc-aa03.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048
22:02.44ali1234*1fps
22:02.46zgoldali1234: the game already has like a 30-40 hour gametime... 5x would be bad :)
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22:03.16ali1234man i always forget how long these intros are
22:03.37ali1234btw, sound, kb input, everything else works fine without even configuring it
22:03.50ali1234it's just slow
22:03.51zgoldali1234: you have to start it from CLI i imagine?
22:03.55ali1234yeah
22:04.05ali1234i could make a .desktop though, it's easy
22:04.16ali1234it isn't optified either
22:04.17zgold.desktop to start a specific game or to start a gui?
22:04.23ali1234to start the gui
22:04.27zgoldoh, so there is a gui
22:04.29ali1234i dont think it has command line options
22:04.31FIQnice chan
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22:04.55ghostmanhttp://scfire-dtc-aa03.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048
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22:05.29zgoldali1234: did you see today's video of the iphone playing n64?  It had a pretty nifty onscreen keyboard overlayed ontop of the game
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22:05.41ali1234no, i didn't
22:05.55ali1234i don't really have time for watching that stuff :)
22:06.12ali1234i should be doing real work instead of sitting here watching the ff7 intro at 20% normal speed
22:06.49zgoldbut its such a good intro =P
22:06.53zgoldhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/07/iphone-3gs-emulates-n64-blows-minds-in-the-process/
22:06.57clmntchwhoa, ff7
22:06.58clmntch!!!!
22:07.00ali1234yeah but this is like the youtube poop remix
22:07.26zgoldali1234: so get some accel on those conversions =P
22:07.56ali1234we need an arm dynarec
22:08.28ali1234this is running in the interpreter, which is super slow
22:08.28ali1234intro is nearly done
22:09.06RevdKathyOk... need sleeeeeeep. Night all!
22:09.18wazdjavispedro: http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0912/ca/f6d6f9fe30f9.jpg <- not ready yet but you got the point :)
22:09.47javispedro:)
22:09.58javispedrowazd: purrrfect! :)
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22:11.58ghostmanwho wants to fuck  me? ;)
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22:15.49ghostmanwas
22:16.03AakashPatelis there a python interpreter in -extras?
22:16.11AakashPatelif i wanted to write my whole app in python
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22:16.24ali1234AakashPatel: yes
22:16.34AakashPatelawesome
22:16.38ghostmanhttp://scfire-dtc-aa03.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048
22:17.18Stskeepsghostman: stop spamming
22:17.42ghostmanfick dich, du Arsch!
22:18.09Stskeepssighs
22:18.31Stskeepsmy ignore list seems to be growing more and more these days
22:18.32Flandryban him from your N900 :)
22:18.32ghostmanhttp://scfire-dtc-aa03.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048
22:18.40zgoldali1234: could you perhaps post a diff with your work when your done?
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22:18.46DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, Army Of Losesrs even
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22:18.48FIQn900...
22:18.49FIQthink i would by it after chrismas. :p
22:19.13ali1234zgold: sure
22:19.49FIQlol by
22:19.53FIQbuy*
22:20.42DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, the tools-repo issue (404) fixed magically :-P
22:21.12DocScrutinizer51strange
22:21.19javispedrodon't worry, that'll be "fixed" eventually
22:21.22StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: most be a broken issue somewhere
22:21.28javispedromaybe it'll start returning 401s again :)
22:21.53DocScrutinizer51javispedro, ;-P
22:21.58ghostmanStskeepsStskeepsStskeeps; Fick dich du Arsch!
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22:23.38RST38hDear gentlemen! Anyone knows how I can invoke "install" to recursive install a directory?
22:23.47homeasvs_anyone know if it is at all possible to create additional profiles, so I can have it so that only the phone can make a noise at night, but not email/sms/... ?
22:24.20javispedrono profiles yet from what I've seen
22:24.47javispedroRST38h: you could use cp/chown/chmod -R
22:25.34RST38hah...ok
22:25.36Macerok. seriously
22:26.05DocScrutinizer51javispedro, there are TWO(!)
22:26.09Macerif there is one thing i can give linux... you do not run into these idiot trojans
22:26.19Macermy god i'm about to have a friggin nutty
22:26.30javispedroDocScrutinizer: yeah, yeah.. but that's "profiles" only to avoid user confusion or something like that
22:27.26DocScrutinizer51anyway it,s a silly joke. homeasvs_ 's request quite valid
22:27.59homeasvs_hm
22:28.07homeasvs_so it might make sense to make a little app that sets the volumes of stuff
22:28.11homeasvs_that would at least keep me going for now
22:28.56DocScrutinizer51homeasvs_, I'd guess those two profiles aren't hardcoded
22:29.48javispedrobtw, how much does the thing take to charge from your average 500mA USB port?
22:29.54rangeWow.
22:29.57DocScrutinizer51so if you find where they reside, and copy abnd "rename" one, maybe you're better off
22:30.04rangeModest brings my imap server to segfault.
22:30.06javispedros/much/long/
22:31.12pwnguinyay, phone arrival
22:32.01DocScrutinizer51takes eternities to charge, no matter how
22:32.34javispedrowell it takes the usual 2 hours in the in-the-box wall charger
22:32.47javispedro*with the nokia-provided wall charger
22:34.10DocScrutinizer51Feels to me like a whole lot longer
22:34.29Arkenoi3 hours from wall charger, more like 4-5 from usb
22:34.47DocScrutinizer51that's more like it
22:35.33GAN900Woo, 18000' higher than you suckers.
22:35.37ghostmanlose ya
22:36.37ghostmanach scheiss drauf!
22:36.40javispedroGAN900: "Hello from outer space, earthlings!"
22:36.55GAN900Ping is only about 200ms, too.
22:37.08ghostmanDie JJjugend hatt nichts mehrr drauf!
22:37.10DocScrutinizer51all your base are belong to us
22:37.20javispedrolol, my usb hub is starting to get really hot
22:37.33ghostmanllangwweiligg
22:37.35DocScrutinizer51please chanop!!!
22:37.45ghostmannnix geht mehhr
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22:38.30mikhaswow, nice GAN900 ...
22:38.33DocScrutinizer51javispedro, your HUB??
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22:38.54javispedroDocScrutinizer: yeah...
22:38.57ghostmanbrave Bürger: Ich hasse Euch!
22:39.37GAN900mikhas, Delta's still mostly fail, though. :D
22:39.52javispedrothat's why I am hoping for the n900 to end charging soon...
22:40.22GAN900javispedro, no adaptor?
22:40.33GAN900USB charging is damn near useless.
22:40.35ghostmanklleinee hubies?
22:40.36DocScrutinizer51ahhh,  *!*ghostman*@* added to ignore list.
22:40.36GAN900Sloooow
22:40.44javispedroGAN900:  I wanted to test that for myself :P
22:40.53ghostmanccV
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22:41.01ghostmanV
22:41.07ghostmanV
22:41.16ghostmanforr what?
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22:41.19GAN900I really want to drop the banhammer from space
22:41.25javispedrodrop it!
22:41.29javispedroFINISH HIM!!!
22:41.32DocScrutinizer51Dooo
22:41.42*** mode/#maemo [+b *!*n=forth@*.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] by GAN900
22:41.42*** kick/#maemo [ghostman!n=ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles] by GAN900 (GAN900)
22:41.48javispedrosee you, bastard!
22:41.49FIQtack
22:41.50DocScrutinizer51thanks
22:41.59FIQwith english
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22:42.45GAN900lol
22:42.54GAN900The nearly made that not happen.
22:43.04*** mode/#maemo [-o GAN900] by GAN900
22:43.08DocScrutinizer51more like :-S
22:43.30GAN900Man, I'm pretty sure that makes me like super l33t or something.
22:43.46DocScrutinizer51nevermind
22:43.58GAN900*lag
22:44.24zgoldali1234: did the intro finish?
22:44.31wazdjavispedro: http://i057.radikal.ru/0912/48/ddefef185b4a.png
22:44.38derfGAN900: The general rule is, if you have to call yourself l33t, you're not.
22:44.40ali1234yeah i played it a bit, just doing a youtube video
22:44.47ali1234it totally sucks
22:44.48zgoldali1234: sweet!
22:44.51GAN900derf, thus, the irony. :D
22:45.41javispedrowazd: thanks! thanks! thanks!
22:46.31wazdjavispedro: np as always :)
22:46.41wazdjavispedro: have you got your n900 at last?
22:46.54javispedrowazd: yeah!
22:47.04wazdjavispedro: great, congratulations :)
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22:47.29SpeedEviljavispedro: Woo!
22:47.44DocScrutinizer51any hint whichmagic incantation xchat should use to maake vbrator kick shortly (and maybe pllay notification sound same time - I'd not mind)?
22:48.11SpeedEvilI'd like a magic incantation to make it use espeak for privmsgs
22:48.19javispedrogood lord
22:48.26DocScrutinizer51jebba, ^ ?
22:49.46RST38hmoos with passion
22:49.49DocScrutinizer51man, typos more than correct chars
22:50.07javispedromow RST38h
22:50.16RST38hwazd: Oh, shit, this image is no longer violating Nintendo's copyright!
22:50.25RST38hWell, to a degree...
22:50.30javispedroyeah...
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22:50.56javispedrostill ... probably not worth pursuing ...
22:51.15wazdRST38h: that was the point :)
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22:55.19lardmanevening all
22:55.24javispedroevening lardman
22:55.36lardmanhi javispedro
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22:56.29GAN900Hey, lardman.
22:56.29DocScrutinizer51hi
22:56.41Mysterioushello
22:56.57lardmanhey GAN900, DocScrutinizer, Mysterious
22:57.03lardmanso how was Barcenlona?
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22:57.15lardmanhmm, spelling not hot as ever ;)
22:57.22GAN900Crazy. Amazing. Fantastic.
22:57.26Mysterioushuh^^
22:57.31mikhasin that order
22:57.32javispedrono problem, it's been spelled wrong 50% of the times today :)
22:57.32GAN900On the last leg of my trip now.
22:58.10GAN900Thankfully I don't yet feel as though I got up at 2 this morning.
22:58.25lardmanimagines the headlines tomorrow - airliner brought down by interference from cell phone
22:58.39GAN900lardman, in flight WiFi
22:58.46MysteriousI don't want to bother
22:58.46lardmanoooo
22:58.55Mysteriousbut aww I'll just do
22:58.56DocScrutinizer51lol
22:58.56lardmanGAN900: who are you flying with?
22:58.59Mysterioushas anybody tried to run the aircrack-ng suite on our loved n900 device yet?
22:59.11GAN900and the headline would be "Airliner brought down by Nokia's new Maemo-based N900"
22:59.15divinegodokay, this is rather weird. I am trying to install programs, the device reports that there is not enough space, but it also reports that there is 1.71 GB left for applications
22:59.15GAN900Delta
22:59.27Mysteriousor did someone started to port it?
22:59.28Pavlovoh come on
22:59.31GAN900divinegod, from where?
22:59.34Pavlovit won't take the plane down
22:59.39Pavlovthe battery will die well before he boards
22:59.44lardmanGAN900: well yeah, depends in the yellow boxes store the MACs of the offending items ;)
22:59.49lardmans/in/if
22:59.52DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, I heard airodump should work
22:59.59GAN900Pavlov, at 34k right now. :P
23:00.05divinegodGAN900: from trying to install apps on my n900
23:00.10FIQdivinegod; from extras-devel?
23:00.24GAN900That.
23:00.54divinegodFIQ: no, I don't have extras-devel added now.
23:00.55crashanddieo/ GAN900
23:01.01divinegodonly extras and extras-testing
23:01.02MysteriousDocScrutinizer51, that's nice :D
23:01.03Mysteriousbut how about aircrack?
23:01.15GAN900Hey, crashanddie.
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23:01.31Hardaker900hi me
23:01.37hardaker2hey...  sup me?
23:01.38FIQevery app in the -testing area isn't optified yet i think
23:01.40lardmananyone here used Sage?
23:01.43Hardaker900not much
23:01.46DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, thats a cpu hug
23:02.04lardmanah crashanddie, what was that you said to my back as I left yesterday....? ;)
23:02.05MysteriousDocScrutinizer51, xD you are right
23:02.08FIQand will (try to) install on root that has much less space
23:02.17crashanddielardman: wanker?
23:02.22crashanddielardman: cuz you don't reply to emails
23:02.26lardmansounds familiar
23:02.30divinegodFIQ: oh, well.. that explains it.
23:02.32lardmancrashanddie: really?
23:02.34MysteriousDocScrutinizer51, is there a source where i can download ist?
23:02.36lardmanemails or pms?
23:02.37Mysterious*it
23:02.37crashanddieyes, really
23:02.39crashanddieemails
23:02.42DocScrutinizer51s/hug/hog/
23:02.45lardmanhmm, not received any
23:03.00DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, dunno
23:03.03lardmanoh you didn't send to gmail did you?
23:03.11Mysteriousinfobot, i thought of that ;)
23:03.12infobotYou thought of that ;)?
23:03.32crashanddielardman: 3 days ago
23:03.36lardmancrashanddie: ah, I see your emails now
23:03.43Mysteriousok actually i dunno what hog means xD
23:03.45lardmansorry, I don't check gmail often
23:04.13lardmanmany thanks, I will download and merge your patches :)
23:04.57DocScrutinizer51hmm
23:05.06DocScrutinizer51~hog
23:05.07infoboti guess hog is you have to know 2 know like scratch sam loza and edd
23:05.07javispedronotes the irony of http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-10-07.log.html#t2009-10-07T01:19:48
23:05.16GAN900crashanddie, wish you could've made it to BCN
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23:05.21GAN900Really fantastic
23:05.21DocScrutinizer51bah
23:05.40Mysteriousanyways, i would like to hug my cpu^^
23:06.15DocScrutinizer51hehe
23:06.40DocScrutinizer51~dict hog
23:07.36MysteriousI like to pick the sheep meaning xD
23:07.49DocScrutinizer51xD
23:07.57lardmanhog=sheep?!
23:08.14lardmanmeans pig in my land
23:08.24kynkyme2
23:08.31lardmanmy land being that which speaks English
23:08.36Mysteriousin my land there is no word like hog :P
23:08.47lardmaninfobot: you're wrong about the meaning of hog
23:09.03kynkyhogging all the food like a pig
23:09.19javispedrooh, the n900 says charged. that was 4 hours from my PC's usb
23:09.35DocScrutinizer51cool
23:10.02arachnistit takes less than 2 hours on the normal charger
23:10.12javispedroyep.
23:10.23lardmananyone know if the Maxima source tarball contains a lisp interpreter?
23:10.40wiretappedi've been trying to give nokia some money in exchange for an N900 for a while now
23:10.44wiretappedthey really seem unable
23:10.46Mysteriousoh no
23:10.51SpeedEvilwiretapped: where are you?
23:10.52Mysteriousi hate lisp xD
23:10.56wiretappedsan francisco
23:11.04lardmanMysterious: I just want a decent cas
23:11.10lardmanCAS even
23:11.18wiretappedi've given up waiting on the ddp and decided to buy one retail
23:11.22SpeedEvil:/
23:11.45wiretappedso i tried at nokiausa.com... two cards declined. presumably due to trying to ship somewhere not my billing address
23:11.48wiretappedso i call them
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23:12.00wiretappedand their fraud system has blocked me for three days for trying twice
23:12.05wiretappedthat was last week
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23:12.19wiretappedso now i'm on the phone again, i've pushed the button for sales, and been holding for >25 minutes
23:12.26greggypoohey this is a long shot...i have a couple apps i wrote using libX11, and they do not show up in the maemo taskbar
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23:12.41wiretappedin the meantime my company tried to buy one for me, and they said they couldn't take a corporate credit card
23:12.45wiretappednokiausa
23:12.46wiretappedwtf
23:12.52greggypooso if you minimize them, they disappear completely.  anyone experienced with the magic windowmanager hints needed for this thing?  i wrote this software back in the era of matchbox 0.1 :)
23:13.16GAN900wiretapped, gotta love NokiaUSA
23:13.37wazdVDVsx: around? :)
23:14.05DocScrutinizer51greggypoo, taskbar??
23:14.12javispedroprobably diablo
23:14.16DocScrutinizer51dahboard?
23:14.18javispedrogreggypoo: OS2009?
23:14.20crashanddieso lardman ?
23:14.20javispedroerr
23:14.23javispedrogreggypoo: OS2008?
23:14.59MysteriousI like asking stupid questions: Is it possible to use debian arm repositories to install software on the n900? Or do i need to port them? And how hard might that be?
23:15.00greggypooum ... maemo 4.1.2 diablo :)
23:15.11lardmancrashanddie: thank you and I'll merge your patches
23:15.13lardmansee above
23:15.17javispedrogreggypoo: so, the only way I know is to set a proper WMCLASS and create your own .desktop file
23:15.19lardmanand the email I just sent to you
23:15.20greggypooi'm not sure taskbar is the right name, i mean the icons in along the left of the screen showing the currently running apps
23:15.37greggypoohmmm, i've carefully avoided learning any class stuff so far, so that may be where i went wrong
23:16.18greggypoojavispedro, do you know what program is responsible for managing that part of the screen?
23:16.19lardmandecides lisp looks like a pita
23:16.44javispedrogreggypoo: hildon-desktop
23:16.47DocScrutinizer51bet is IS
23:16.53crashanddielardman: ok, I'll use the other email address in the future. I've done a bit of work on some other source code, but wasn't sure if I should considering I wasn't getting a reply
23:17.14crashanddielardman: do you prefer diff format? (I don't have access to garage)
23:17.31greggypoothanks javispedro, that'll give me something to dig into for a while.
23:17.34lardmanno that's fine, source is ok, I can do a side by side comparison
23:17.37lardmanthanks! :)
23:17.45Mysteriousanswer my questions or i'll cry!
23:17.48javispedrogreggypoo: good luck
23:17.52greggypooi'll need it :)
23:18.25javispedro:)
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23:18.58DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, went unnoticed
23:19.14Mysteriousyes obviously
23:19.22crashanddielardman: cool, I'll probably send some more stuff late tonight (maybe early tomorrow morning for you then)
23:19.30Mysteriouscries
23:19.32lardmansounds good
23:19.55lardmancrashanddie: don't kill yourself though, am just doing small patches for the GTK+ stuff now, moving the ui to Qt
23:19.59DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, actually I dont remember any question
23:20.10lardmanthough the decoder.c will probably remain the same so that's all good :)
23:20.16lardmanat least for the time being anyway
23:20.29MysteriousDocScrutinizer51, I'll copy&paste it
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23:20.48MysteriousDocScrutinizer51: (00:14:41) Mysterious: I like asking stupid questions: Is it possible to use debian arm repositories to install software on the n900? Or do i need to port them? And how hard might that be?
23:20.48FIQcould you install arm debian (@desktop) apps on maemo or does they need some form of port? and if they need port... it's a version of debian.. why wouldn't it?
23:21.06DocScrutinizer51aah
23:21.18DocScrutinizer51that one... no idea here
23:21.21javispedroand the answer is DEPENDS.
23:21.26javispedrohappy now?
23:21.32Mysteriousyeah great
23:21.33Mysterious-.-
23:22.03FIQhm
23:22.17lardmanMysterious: the answer is probably that no you can't now as they use a different abi
23:22.21DocScrutinizer51prolly try and see XD
23:22.28lardmansame to FIQ
23:22.43lardmanor has Debian updated itself on ARM?
23:22.49javispedrodebian uses armel now
23:22.58javispedro/eabi
23:22.59FIQthe program/app/image/whatever "easy debian" is used to install arm debian packages i guess?
23:23.12javispedrois used to install debian itself, on a chroot.
23:23.15lardmaninteresting name for a library http://packages.debian.org/sid/libm4ri-0.0.20080521
23:23.22FIQah
23:23.30GAN900Ehehe http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4160666201/
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23:23.52lardman:)
23:23.58rangeUmmm.
23:24.05rangeTLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA - why is modest using that one?
23:24.32FIQnice name
23:24.35rangedissect_ssl3_hnd_srv_hello can't find cipher suite 0x88 - I'd like to peek into the ssl stream :)
23:24.50rangebug 6654 - nice one.
23:24.52povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6654 Nokia Mail does not update messages after a while
23:25.44GAN900lardman, I wanted a pannable background of that one. *g*
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23:27.03DocScrutinizer51bah, maemo msgs popps up mail settings on receiving "poll_mintime ERROR: to frequent polls"
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23:27.55DocScrutinizer51which is really bad with providers like GMX or web.de
23:28.17crashanddielardman: I'm working on web.c
23:29.14lardmancrashanddie: may not be worth it tbh
23:29.24lardmanmost of that will be implemented as plugins in the end
23:29.28crashanddiehmm
23:29.35lardmansorry
23:29.37crashanddieat least it'll be readable for the one converting them to plugins :P
23:29.46lardmanwell there is that of course ;)
23:30.05MysteriousDo you hate me because i do not posess a n900/maemo-device?
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23:30.18crashanddieMysterious: yes, we all hate you
23:30.24derfcrashanddie: You're helping with mbarcode now?
23:30.28lardmanMysterious: me in particular?
23:30.38crashanddiederf: I am indeed, why the "now"?
23:30.40javispedroyeah, everybody here has a device save for m...
23:30.42javispedroerr....
23:30.46javispedro:P
23:30.48lardmanderf: he foolishly volunteered to get rid of some of the many warnings
23:30.59crashanddielardman: of which there is a fuckload
23:31.05lardmanindeed :)
23:31.12crashanddielardman: you actually generate more warnings than lcuk !
23:31.19derfcrashanddie: Oh, if you were doing stuff before I missed it.
23:31.22crashanddieand he speaks northern to his compiler
23:31.26lardmanI was duly warned and ignored them
23:31.27derfI am not the most observant.
23:31.38crashanddiederf: no, wasn't on the project before
23:31.42derfJust happy to see more people involved.
23:31.49fnordianslippersdo the n900s shutdown in a low battery state or just run til they drop
23:32.06javispedrothey shutdown "gracefully"
23:32.19fnordianslippersthanks
23:32.22javispedrowhere gracefully is they give a final warning and then you have like 5 seconds to save and close
23:32.39fnordianslippersloads of time then
23:32.51javispedroit feels like ages when you are in the middle of something important
23:32.56javispedroi think they call that "bullet time"
23:33.08fnordianslippers:)
23:33.16javispedroI did manage to compose and send an email once
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23:33.50Mysterioustakes the battery damage during a full discharge ?
23:34.01lardmanderf, crashanddie: once the ui is moved to Qt and a plugin system fleshed out, I hope it will become more usable (and accessible)
23:34.08fnordianslippersdid it say "please send new batter"
23:34.42derflardman: Well, by moving to Qt you pretty much ensure I will never touch the UI code.
23:34.48derfBut that wasn't likely to happen, anyway.
23:35.08lardmanyeah, the ui should hopefully just sit there doing nothing
23:35.15lardmanbut Qt will allow e.g. Python plugins
23:35.21lardmanand of course C
23:35.22zgoldali1234: youtube video up? :)
23:35.32ali1234no it's still going, 290 mb
23:35.44ali1234don't worry i'll let you know when it's done
23:35.46zgoldali1234: :)
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23:36.14redeemanderf: you don't like Qt?
23:36.41lardmanC++, yuck! ;)
23:37.15redeemanit could be worse, it could be c with gtk :P
23:37.17redeemanor c++/gtkmm
23:37.29lardmanwell C is good, gtk+ not so good
23:37.30derfredeeman: I don't know Qt. I hate C++.
23:37.36lardmanstick to command line I say
23:37.41lardmanbut users don't like it
23:37.44PaulFertserMysterious: if you discharge a LiIon "too much" then yes, but a good device shouldn't allow you to do that. And if you obey some basic restrictions, there's only charge cycle count limit to worry about.
23:38.00redeemanderf: well you're not forced to use most of the c++ features
23:38.05derfredeeman: Bullshit.
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23:38.28MysteriousPaulFertser: ok thanks
23:38.43MysteriousGood bye, everybody!
23:38.55lardmanhmm, I swear I can smell fried onions
23:39.09lardmanmust just be extreme hunger making me smell things
23:39.10Mysteriouswtheck
23:40.03VDVsxwazd, yes
23:40.04SpeedEvillardman: or onions
23:40.14wazdVDVsx: http://s08.radikal.ru/i181/0912/22/0e7c1940757d.png
23:40.30lardmanSpeedEvil: might be
23:40.45lardmanwonders if the smell of real fried onions will wake his wife up....
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23:41.47VDVsxwazd, looks good, but I'm not sure about the ps3 logo, don't want issues with Sony :P
23:41.57wazdmeh
23:42.09wazdwell, it can be BM logo instead
23:42.33SpeedEvillardman: Sneak up behind her, and place a filtered 'nuisance odor' mask on her.
23:42.47redeemanwtf
23:43.00GAN900VDVsz, bye, by the way. ;)
23:43.33VDVsxGAN900, lol
23:43.39lardmanSpeedEvil: well she is asleep
23:43.42VDVsxGAN900, already at home ?
23:43.49GAN900VDVsx, thanks for putting up with me as your roommate, etc. *g*
23:44.09GAN900VDVsx, close, on the flight back to Tampa
23:44.20GAN900Landin about about 1.5 hours.
23:45.08VDVsxah those new cool wifi services  ;)
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23:47.08Arkenoitries to choose - try to set up MfE sync to google calendar or just wait for more proper way to be implemented?
23:48.30GAN900VDVsx, I now more completely understand why people might now want to have meetups in the US. ;)
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23:48.45GAN900The biometric shit was all very Minority Report
23:49.33lardmans/now/not ??
23:49.45VDVsxGAN900, eheh, for people from the European union is more or less easy, but for the other is a big headache
23:49.56VDVsx*others
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23:50.44GAN900lardman, yes.
23:51.09GAN900VDVsx, I had a helluva time getting through security at BCN
23:51.21wazdVDVsx: well, anyway, I'll send you files soon
23:51.24GAN900They wanted EVERYTHING out of my carryon
23:51.45VDVsxwazd, thanks :)
23:52.42VDVsxwazd, I showed the current stuff to some of the ux persons at BCN and they liked a lot, even asked your name :P
23:53.26GAN900Nobody spoke English and the security lady made me leave my wallet, N900 and a fistfull of coins down at the end of the conveyor while she dragged me back through with the laptop.
23:53.42wazdVDVsx: oh
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23:54.05orbarronready to throw scratchbox out the window....
23:54.24wazdVDVsx: since they haven't asked for my e-mail - whatever :D
23:54.24VDVsxGAN900, ahah, they did some test to your laptop ?
23:54.37VDVsxwazd, lol
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23:55.08orbarronany one have pointers to removing scratchbox?
23:55.30VDVsxorbarron, apt-get remove package_name
23:55.31orbarronbelieve it was removed the wrong way:P
23:55.49Flandryyou're doomed then
23:55.56orbarronthanks...
23:56.22Flandryi've got in infinite loop in my FS from that happening :P
23:56.28GAN900VDVsx, no, but I apparently, placed the bag with too much overlap overthe laptop so she dragged all of the wires in my backpack out to run through again.
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23:57.05GAN900wazd, hehe, I was spreadin your name around a bit, too. :P
23:57.49VDVsxwazd, but if you're willing to work in mobile devices design/ux your should pay attention to any job in that company, they are very talented and friendly people :)
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