| 00:00.03 | AakashPatel | erm the lib is lol |
| 00:00.15 | lcuk | "Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted" |
| 00:00.24 | AakashPatel | O.o |
| 00:00.28 | mikhas | "esbox under windows" => needs samba shares to be mounted from inside sbox I guess |
| 00:00.28 | pillar | mikhas you got it |
| 00:00.33 | mikhas | AakashPatel, then you could create one of the few useful t.m.o threads =) |
| 00:01.04 | pillar | lcuk pastebin link didn't work for you? |
| 00:01.12 | ali1234 | works for me :) |
| 00:01.13 | AakashPatel | Haha I'll make on when i get my n900 from nokia next week |
| 00:01.18 | AakashPatel | this week i guess lol |
| 00:01.26 | mikhas | why wait? |
| 00:01.30 | mikhas | earn karma today! |
| 00:01.36 | AakashPatel | testing ftw |
| 00:01.45 | mikhas | it looks as if it would only take you 5 minutes |
| 00:01.57 | mikhas | and make an esbox user happy =) |
| 00:02.03 | AakashPatel | lol |
| 00:02.04 | Arkenoi | wishes i'd had xterm with smaller softkeys either aligned to the right edge, not to the bottom or with <>[]=| f1-f12 there as well. |
| 00:02.49 | asidjazz | w/ roethlisberger out 2nite the spread/line of the steelers is ridic |
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| 00:03.55 | pillar | so this error is about smb not compiled for scratchbox? /home/maemo/.mica/mount_samba_share.sh: 62: smbmount: not found |
| 00:04.14 | mikhas | pillar, yes. I think you only need smbclient, not even the server |
| 00:04.38 | mikhas | whatever is providing smbmount |
| 00:04.51 | pillar | ok good to know |
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| 00:07.14 | timeless_mbp | hrm, who poked me? |
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| 00:12.24 | dfaure | N810 with diablo and Extras enabled: can't install gpe-calendar. It's looking for gpe-icons svn20080114 but only svn20080114 is available. Packaging mistake? |
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| 00:16.25 | timeless_mbp | anyone here w/ an n900 and a few mins to play around w/ something? |
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| 00:16.52 | pupnik | me |
| 00:17.03 | MrGoose | where did all the tmobile deals go for the n900 |
| 00:17.04 | MrGoose | In UK |
| 00:17.37 | pupnik | someone else help timeless_mbp |
| 00:18.24 | MrGoose | anyone? |
| 00:18.46 | MrGoose | why arent there any t-mobile deals for the n900 anymore? |
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| 00:19.08 | ccooke | MrGoose: I think I heard mention of a quota being used up |
| 00:19.08 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: it's fairly simple (it does require root) |
| 00:19.17 | MrGoose | really? |
| 00:19.26 | MrGoose | that sucks |
| 00:19.31 | dfaure | ok found my answer at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=399836 |
| 00:20.02 | ccooke | MrGoose: Well, note the uncertainty in my comment :-) |
| 00:20.07 | MrGoose | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/11/25/nokia-n900-launch-delayed-115875-21850329/ |
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| 00:22.51 | evo | hi, is anyone using Email app with a Gmail IMAP account? |
| 00:23.44 | timeless_mbp | MrGoose: http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/25/nokia-n900-review/ is more useful |
| 00:23.49 | timeless_mbp | or http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/25/nokia-n900-launch-delayed/ |
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| 00:33.07 | mikhas | love that comment: http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/25/nokia-n900-review/comment-page-1/#comment-48921 thanks timeless for giving me a good laugh, appreciated =) |
| 00:33.51 | timeless_mbp | mikhas: i haven't read the article yet |
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| 00:34.25 | philosohper | hos easy is it to port desktop application to maemo ? |
| 00:34.37 | ali1234 | what the hell? you need multitouch so you can use it one handed? are they on crack? |
| 00:35.00 | mikhas | well, the follow-ups of that guy are a clear +5 funny: http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/25/nokia-n900-review/comment-page-1/#comment-48921 |
| 00:35.04 | mikhas | yeah, it's great stuff |
| 00:35.29 | mikhas | err, http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/25/nokia-n900-review/comment-page-1/#comment-48923 |
| 00:36.45 | ali1234 | philosohper: depends on the app and the dependencies |
| 00:37.04 | philosohper | hos close is maemo from debian |
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| 00:37.22 | philosohper | did they took out many core dependecies ? |
| 00:37.28 | ali1234 | probably not as close as you would like |
| 00:37.58 | philosohper | ok |
| 00:38.21 | philosohper | would be cool to take a media player from desktop userland and put it on maemo6 |
| 00:38.29 | ali1234 | what, like mplayer? |
| 00:38.42 | philosohper | more amarok |
| 00:38.44 | mikhas | philosohper, and what about UI? |
| 00:38.50 | mikhas | yeah, have fun with that ... |
| 00:39.00 | ali1234 | amarok devs will probably do it for you |
| 00:39.13 | philosohper | ali1234: i thought java wasnt supported |
| 00:39.16 | ali1234 | at least one of them has a n900 |
| 00:39.18 | ali1234 | wat? |
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| 00:39.30 | ali1234 | amarok is a QT app? |
| 00:39.37 | philosohper | hooo nice |
| 00:39.38 | ali1234 | well, KDE |
| 00:39.43 | AakashPatel | philosohper: Did you hear what i said about the rebate? |
| 00:39.45 | tarelerulz | So there is only 2 devices that run Maemo ? is there more on the way |
| 00:39.51 | philosohper | AakashPatel: no |
| 00:39.54 | philosohper | what about it |
| 00:39.57 | AakashPatel | Its till good in teh Nokia Store |
| 00:40.03 | AakashPatel | its still* |
| 00:40.05 | ali1234 | tarelerulz: no and yes |
| 00:40.20 | philosohper | i still dont understand why maemo mix gnome and QT ? |
| 00:40.30 | mikhas | philosohper, because it is possible |
| 00:40.35 | philosohper | wouldnt be easier to use a KDE derivative ? |
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| 00:40.46 | mikhas | look at the qt blogs |
| 00:40.53 | mikhas | => someone already did it |
| 00:40.55 | tarelerulz | ali1234: What do you mean no and yes ? |
| 00:41.03 | ali1234 | philosohper: sure, if you want everything in maemo to be a huge sea of buttons and scrollbars |
| 00:41.06 | philosohper | mikhas: did what ? |
| 00:41.19 | mikhas | compile kde + plasma on the n900 |
| 00:41.21 | ali1234 | tarelerulz: no, there arn't only 2 maemo devices, there are 4. and yes, there are more on the way. |
| 00:41.21 | mikhas | and run it |
| 00:42.21 | philosohper | mikhas: ok what more asking to understand if there were technical reason behind nokia decision |
| 00:42.41 | mikhas | maemo always had a strong gtk background? |
| 00:42.48 | mikhas | even before trolltech was bought? |
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| 00:43.02 | tarelerulz | Do you all think Nokia is planing on doing something like google and putting out bunch of phones that run Nikia's Linux |
| 00:43.02 | ali1234 | yes, previous maemo versions used gtk. then nokia bought trolltech, so they want to use what they bought. |
| 00:43.05 | mikhas | and why would you care? your qt apps will run on maemo5 |
| 00:43.22 | ali1234 | otherwise they wouldn't have bought it |
| 00:43.53 | philosohper | interrestng |
| 00:44.10 | ali1234 | tarelerulz: google don't make phones |
| 00:44.20 | philosohper | do we have an idea on how the dev env would change with maemo 6 |
| 00:44.29 | mikhas | ... |
| 00:44.31 | philosohper | i mean how will it be compatible with maemo5 ? |
| 00:44.47 | mikhas | go to gitorious and just take a look at the harmattan tech preview + widget gallery? |
| 00:45.15 | philosohper | mikhas: i know the UI will be completly revolt |
| 00:45.23 | philosohper | but i am talking more under the hood |
| 00:45.36 | mikhas | look at the code, lol |
| 00:45.51 | mikhas | then you know how complete and fundamental the change is going to be |
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| 00:46.18 | mikhas | there was someone on t.m.o writing a pretty good technical review on the harmattan ui |
| 00:46.30 | philosohper | t.m.o ? |
| 00:46.46 | jaem | philosohper, talk.maemo.org |
| 00:47.22 | dddd1 | hi |
| 00:47.26 | mikhas | philosohper, http://zchydem.enume.net/?p=128 |
| 00:47.39 | philosohper | btw about ovi maps and offline maps |
| 00:47.44 | mikhas | http://zchydem.enume.net/?p=149 |
| 00:47.49 | philosohper | i heard it does work is that true ? |
| 00:47.51 | mikhas | http://zchydem.enume.net/?p=243 |
| 00:47.55 | mikhas | that were the 3 posts |
| 00:48.04 | dddd1 | the forum talk@maemo.org need more or better mods |
| 00:48.06 | mikhas | pretty good overview, I'd say |
| 00:48.14 | jaem | dddd1, what's the issue? |
| 00:48.16 | dddd1 | there are so many trolls it's ridicoulus |
| 00:48.37 | dddd1 | for example this guy |
| 00:48.39 | dddd1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35258 |
| 00:48.48 | dddd1 | Hi! I am wondering if the Koran app is coming for n900.> |
| 00:48.50 | mikhas | philosohper, it seems you can simply fetch the maps and store them on your n900 |
| 00:48.57 | dddd1 | >I am also worried about scrolling... Can n900 handle so much crap at the same time? |
| 00:49.05 | dddd1 | just ban this idiots |
| 00:49.18 | dddd1 | his newest thread: |
| 00:49.22 | dddd1 | >Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker? |
| 00:49.25 | mikhas | but again, look at t.m.o or so, I dont remember the links and dont have them in my browser's history |
| 00:49.35 | dddd1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35435 |
| 00:49.53 | dddd1 | or just move those thread to offtopic |
| 00:49.53 | jaem | dddd1, that first link is actually kind of amusing, albeit annoying to have on the forums |
| 00:51.02 | philosohper | the ral question is what will happened to the n900 after maemo6 is out |
| 00:51.16 | dddd1 | the forums were much nicer to read 1 month ago |
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| 00:51.27 | dddd1 | or the n900 - Yes it sucks thread |
| 00:51.40 | jaem | dddd1, yeah, people are stupid |
| 00:51.45 | dddd1 | it annoys me because the guys just want to provoke others |
| 00:52.16 | jaem | I could easily point out big flaws in some of the Maemo 5 components, but I like it, and in any case, I wouldn't cause dissension like that |
| 00:53.11 | dddd1 | it okay to point out flaws |
| 00:53.19 | dddd1 | but not to provoke others |
| 00:53.30 | dddd1 | it's just trolling |
| 00:53.43 | jaem | nods |
| 00:53.51 | dddd1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=383543&postcount=68 |
| 00:53.55 | dddd1 | or this posting |
| 00:54.48 | dddd1 | it was his secind posting |
| 00:54.58 | timeless_mbp | pokes jaem |
| 00:55.05 | jaem | is poked |
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| 00:58.32 | philosohper | DROID ROCKS |
| 00:58.35 | philosohper | lol |
| 00:59.52 | AakashPatel | DROIDDD |
| 01:00.37 | Pavlov | drois is pretty nice |
| 01:00.41 | Pavlov | droid, too |
| 01:00.51 | AakashPatel | yea |
| 01:00.56 | AakashPatel | but verizon only :( |
| 01:00.59 | AakashPatel | thats a big dealbreaker |
| 01:01.02 | AakashPatel | for me |
| 01:01.09 | Pavlov | i'm on the fence |
| 01:01.11 | Pavlov | their network is fast |
| 01:01.26 | AakashPatel | theyre also commie lol |
| 01:01.29 | Pavlov | and i have a dozen other phones ;/ |
| 01:01.37 | AakashPatel | Get an n900? |
| 01:01.43 | Pavlov | yep |
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| 01:01.53 | philosohper | i am think of getting booth |
| 01:02.02 | philosohper | btw AakashPatel about that rebate ? |
| 01:02.22 | AakashPatel | You can use it if you order from amazon |
| 01:02.25 | AakashPatel | and nokia |
| 01:02.26 | AakashPatel | both |
| 01:02.30 | AakashPatel | anywhere really |
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| 01:06.27 | philosohper | nice |
| 01:06.39 | philosohper | so nokia price is really 569 -50 = 519 ? |
| 01:06.45 | AakashPatel | yep |
| 01:06.55 | AakashPatel | and tax if youre lucky |
| 01:07.11 | AakashPatel | plus 4 bucks (or 9 bucks if you're me) for shipping |
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| 01:07.29 | AakashPatel | express is 9 bucks, so i was like 'hell lets go with it' |
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| 01:11.25 | philosohper | AakashPatel: what about the cybermonday rebate ? |
| 01:11.33 | AakashPatel | i havent heard anything about it |
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| 01:12.03 | philosohper | ok |
| 01:12.21 | AakashPatel | so..i want it tuesday so im ordering today lol |
| 01:12.31 | AakashPatel | tuesday or wed if they acutally mean "in stock" |
| 01:13.18 | pupnik | nokia price is you must join community and help us take over galaxy |
| 01:13.37 | AakashPatel | lol what? |
| 01:14.04 | pupnik | the "h" key injects nanite DNA patchers |
| 01:14.25 | pupnik | sorry, wrong chan |
| 01:23.29 | GeneralAntilles | Holy crap |
| 01:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | I have one 23" screen full of Growl notifications. |
| 01:24.19 | sp3000 | sounds like you need to get a bigger screen |
| 01:24.39 | GeneralAntilles | Up, and it's got a bunch queued up for me too. |
| 01:25.25 | PolarFox | I give up.. Making programs for maemo would be easier if I could make hello world AND run it in the freaking scratchbox :P |
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| 01:25.39 | aspidites | name check |
| 01:25.58 | PolarFox | Time to get some sleep.. 3:25 AM and I should be working by 10AM :P |
| 01:26.12 | philosohper | hey does anyone know if droid phone sell bye amazon can be use anywhere ? |
| 01:26.26 | GeneralAntilles | philosohper, this is #maemo. |
| 01:26.37 | philosohper | i know |
| 01:26.38 | philosohper | lol |
| 01:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | philosohper, wrong place to ask about Droid. :) |
| 01:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's CDMA, however. |
| 01:27.02 | philosohper | GeneralAntilles: ok didnt meant to troll |
| 01:27.03 | aspidites | lol |
| 01:27.04 | GeneralAntilles | So it'll only work in the US. |
| 01:27.11 | philosohper | thanks |
| 01:27.14 | jaem | GeneralAntilles, is there an extension to the IRC protocol that slaps people with trout when they ask silly questions? :P |
| 01:27.21 | philosohper | you just prevent a catastrophy lol |
| 01:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | jaem, you tell me. :P |
| 01:27.49 | aspidites | anyone know where i can get an iphone that....j/k |
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| 01:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | I keep clicking these things and new ones keep popping up. :( |
| 01:28.37 | jaem | GeneralAntilles, early versions of KDE4 had a bug where notifications wouldn't disappear |
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| 01:28.48 | jaem | so they'd just stack up three times the height of your screen in no time |
| 01:28.49 | jaem | :P |
| 01:29.20 | *** mode/#maemo [+o GeneralAntilles] by ChanServ |
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| 01:30.31 | aspidites | serious question: i know how to make a Xephyr screen that mimicks n900's resolution, but how would i go about mimicking the screen dimensions, ie 3.5 in? |
| 01:30.45 | lcuk | stand further away |
| 01:30.51 | lcuk | use a smaller monitor |
| 01:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | aspidites, buy yourself an N900 LCD and wire it up to DVI? |
| 01:30.59 | lcuk | increase desktop resolution |
| 01:31.14 | lcuk | use vnc with scaling function |
| 01:31.31 | aspidites | icuk, the vnc idea sounds more feasible, will try that. |
| 01:31.44 | type_t_ | xvnc |
| 01:31.45 | GeneralAntilles | lol, crashanddie is a whore. |
| 01:31.46 | aspidites | standing further away wouldn't work as i'm already nearly legally blind and don't have a wireless keyboard |
| 01:32.06 | lcuk | aspidites, how do you find normal ui work? |
| 01:32.15 | cehteh | some vnc's offer a scaling feature but you loose resolution and sharpness of course |
| 01:32.31 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, which post? |
| 01:32.45 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the bit about the passport in here. |
| 01:33.22 | luke-jr | aspidites: if you're using VNC anyway, might use Xvnc instead of Xephyr |
| 01:33.35 | aspidites | Icuk. not sure i understand the question. |
| 01:34.06 | cehteh | does xvnc support enough extensions for maemo? |
| 01:34.07 | AakashPatel | n900 order placed :D |
| 01:34.08 | AakashPatel | Your order is now in place and is estimated to take 1-3 days to reach you. |
| 01:34.22 | aspidites | congrats aakashpatel. |
| 01:34.26 | jaem | AakashPatel, woot |
| 01:34.32 | AakashPatel | :D |
| 01:34.34 | AakashPatel | im excited |
| 01:34.35 | AakashPatel | lol |
| 01:34.51 | cehteh | others wait since 1-3 months for it :P |
| 01:35.12 | AakashPatel | Haha |
| 01:35.15 | AakashPatel | Nokia USA ftw |
| 01:35.26 | aspidites | will check that out luke-jr. sharpness i'm not too worried about. i'm just trying to convert an app i am developing to maemo/hildon and wanted to get a true idea of how much screen real estate i had |
| 01:35.27 | Chapbass | grats aakashpatel |
| 01:35.28 | jaem | AakashPatel, try getting one in Canada |
| 01:35.34 | cehteh | well .. i wait, others can be the test bunnies :P |
| 01:35.44 | AakashPatel | jaem: Pay me and ill ship one to you |
| 01:35.45 | AakashPatel | haha |
| 01:35.48 | jaem | I was lucky to get mine two days before they launched, since I'm doing a university project |
| 01:35.58 | lcuk | aspidites, the firsttime i experienced maemo5 was with vnc onto my n810 :) |
| 01:36.05 | jaem | lcuk, lol |
| 01:36.09 | jaem | from the SDK? |
| 01:36.10 | Chapbass | alright, noob question: for some odd reason I cant find the place in the maemo talk user CP to edit sigs...anyone point me to it? |
| 01:36.17 | lcuk | from qwertys sdk actually |
| 01:36.23 | Chapbass | according to search it should be in edit options |
| 01:36.25 | jaem | points to a page on his screen |
| 01:36.26 | Chapbass | but it isnt there... |
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| 01:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | Chapbass, how many posts do you have? |
| 01:37.35 | Chapbass | ah, that might be why |
| 01:37.40 | Chapbass | just signed up today...3 posts i think |
| 01:37.41 | luke-jr | aspidites: you should not be using pixels anyway. |
| 01:37.44 | cehteh | aspidites: you can make a screenshot and scale it down :P |
| 01:38.04 | jaem | cehteh, just push printscreen really fast, eh/ |
| 01:38.04 | Chapbass | was just about to ask if there was a restriction on that |
| 01:38.10 | luke-jr | aspidites: design everything in inches (or centimeters if you like metric), and let the widgets do their job of fitting pixels |
| 01:38.15 | GeneralAntilles | Chapbass, think it's 5. |
| 01:38.19 | cehteh | or use some compositing window manager which supports window scaling |
| 01:38.27 | Chapbass | alright, thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 01:38.27 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.31 | cehteh | well i dont know any |
| 01:38.53 | cehteh | or momemnt compiz allows that? zoom out too? |
| 01:39.02 | cehteh | i dont use that crap :P |
| 01:39.11 | AakashPatel | lol |
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| 01:39.43 | aspidites | luke-jr, well i figured i needed to match the n900's resolution to get a real idea of how things would scale |
| 01:39.58 | cehteh | certainly |
| 01:40.41 | luke-jr | aspidites: if it makes a difference, it's a bug |
| 01:42.00 | aspidites | i'm not worried about widgets not fitting - thats what layout managers are for. i'm worrying about the interface feeling too crowded. i guess though that "perception" should be resolution independent... |
| 01:42.58 | jaem | aspidites, I missed the beginning - where are you doing your development? |
| 01:43.12 | lcuk | in his bedroom |
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| 01:43.30 | jaem | lcuk, har har... I meant in what environment on his computer |
| 01:43.44 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:43.46 | lcuk | beds anyway |
| 01:43.49 | aspidites | Icuk. your joke is wrong. that should have been mother's basement if i recall |
| 01:43.50 | lcuk | gnite guys |
| 01:43.59 | jaem | g'night, lcuk |
| 01:44.06 | aspidites | i'm developing under linux |
| 01:44.17 | jaem | aspidites, in scratchbox, or externally, though? |
| 01:44.18 | aspidites | 2.6.31 kernel if that matters |
| 01:44.22 | aspidites | scratchbox |
| 01:44.26 | jaem | ah, I see |
| 01:45.26 | aspidites | really just started so i haven't really committed to a set up yet. figured it would be easiest to do everything from inside scratchbox though, other than ui design, which i do wiht designer (qt) |
| 01:47.48 | aspidites | may just wait until i get my device though. btw i envy all of you that have already received one |
| 01:48.01 | jaem | hmm... yeah I just checked if Xephyr supports scaling, and it doesn't look like it |
| 01:48.13 | jaem | aspidites, if I'm around, feel free to ask me to test your app |
| 01:48.45 | jaem | which WM are you using? |
| 01:48.49 | Pio | lkjgcx |
| 01:48.58 | Pio | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.30 | aspidites | if i'm playing around or demoing linux to friends kde 4.3, if i'm working musca |
| 01:50.27 | jaem | hmm... yeah, I guess your only option for scaling would be vnc, then |
| 01:50.31 | jaem | that must be annoying |
| 01:52.18 | aspidites | damn. i'll deal. i still need to refactor the UI/UX anyways |
| 01:52.22 | Venomrush | anyone familiar with the crash reproter? |
| 01:52.25 | Venomrush | *reporter? |
| 01:52.37 | jaem | aspidites, what are you working on, if you don't mind telling? |
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| 01:53.35 | aspidites | right now its little more than a deck editor for a trading card game, but ideally it would allow you to play the tcg online with friends |
| 01:53.45 | jaem | neat |
| 01:53.52 | aspidites | ran into road blocks, then i set eyes on n900 and wanted to port :-) |
| 01:54.08 | jaem | what was your initial target? |
| 01:55.01 | aspidites | cross platform. but linux > windows > mac (some of the libraries that the program currently depends on are a pita to install on os x) |
| 01:55.26 | aspidites | i doubt posting urls is allowed here ,but i have a dev blog documenting my success/failure with the project |
| 01:55.42 | jaem | go ahead |
| 01:55.45 | jaem | there's no issue with that |
| 01:55.48 | aspidites | p339.tuxfamily.org |
| 01:57.44 | aspidites | aside from some coding roadblocks, i ran into life problems as well which helped stagnate development |
| 01:58.01 | jaem | it looks good, althouigh TCGs aren't really my thing |
| 01:59.12 | aspidites | right. kind of a niche project. really i just didn't like a similar project that runs on windows because there was no support for linux and the community was rather...rude? |
| 01:59.28 | jaem | nods |
| 01:59.35 | jaem | that's as good a reason as any |
| 02:00.02 | aspidites | plus it was closed source and i figured my project was open source so if it ever picked up and i quite someone else could continue |
| 02:00.17 | aspidites | you developed anything for maemo yet? |
| 02:00.50 | jaem | a bit |
| 02:01.03 | jaem | an initial port of a game in August that I haven't gotten back to yer >_< |
| 02:01.13 | jaem | and I'm working on a research project at university |
| 02:01.17 | jaem | under wraps, though |
| 02:01.36 | jaem | I'm fighting with BlueZ docs right now for that project :/ |
| 02:01.48 | jaem | do you have any experience with it? |
| 02:02.51 | aspidites | nope. never had any reason too, though i imagine i will. |
| 02:03.10 | aspidites | i'm thinking i might want to develop some widgets before i tackle porting my project. |
| 02:03.23 | aspidites | what toolkit are you leveraging? |
| 02:03.25 | jaem | yeah, I was thinking of that |
| 02:03.27 | jaem | Qt4 |
| 02:03.41 | aspidites | nice. pyqt or is pyside usable? |
| 02:03.41 | jaem | the backend library is done mostly in C |
| 02:03.49 | jaem | wrapped in Qt |
| 02:03.54 | jaem | and then a C++/Qt frontend |
| 02:03.59 | aspidites | a c++ nvm |
| 02:04.08 | jaem | we need the speed |
| 02:04.12 | aspidites | dunno why i assumed python ;-) |
| 02:04.43 | aspidites | esp. considering you said game. wish i had the time/patience to mess with c/++ again |
| 02:05.05 | jaem | this isn't a game |
| 02:05.07 | jaem | that was somethng else |
| 02:05.10 | aspidites | not that i remember anthing about either other than i hate semi-colons |
| 02:05.34 | jaem | lol |
| 02:07.13 | timeless_mbp | jaem: so... can strace save us? :( |
| 02:09.44 | jaem | timeless_mbp, never used it - what do you need done? |
| 02:10.02 | timeless_mbp | apt-get install strace [probably tools repo?] |
| 02:10.23 | timeless_mbp | strace -f /usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/worldclock.launch |
| 02:10.27 | timeless_mbp | (something like that) |
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| 02:19.02 | aspidites | well thansk all. thinking about frequenting this channel more often once i get the ball rolling again. |
| 02:20.03 | jaem | aspidites, please do - glad to help out |
| 02:20.07 | asidjazz | fast hard tough dixon me all night long |
| 02:22.04 | asidjazz | (mistell was for #football) |
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| 02:28.00 | philosohper | someone know about the cybermonday thing ? |
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| 02:37.33 | Ford_Prefect | Does anyone see libc-dev-bin in their package list? |
| 02:39.20 | Macer | wow |
| 02:39.30 | Macer | grace jones was one ugly bitch |
| 02:39.32 | Macer | hahahahaha\ |
| 02:40.05 | cehteh | 'was' ? |
| 02:40.41 | Macer | oh |
| 02:40.43 | Macer | she isn't dead |
| 02:40.54 | Macer | well. if she is alive.. then damn she is still one ugly bitch |
| 02:40.56 | Macer | hahaha |
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| 02:52.16 | ShadowJK_ | anyone posted instructions for getting pipe shortcut back in xterm yet? |
| 02:53.16 | cehteh | sdk or on the device? |
| 02:53.43 | jaem | ShadowJK_, that reminds me - is there a fix for vim doing strange things on the N900? |
| 02:53.54 | jaem | like when I type :q, and it types a newline and a capital 'M' |
| 02:54.47 | ShadowJK_ | I'm not a vim user really, have only used vi in a pinch :) |
| 02:55.03 | jaem | ShadowJK_, ah. vi works fine |
| 02:55.20 | jaem | but I often try to fiddle with code in CS class, remoting one of my computers, and it doesn't play nicely |
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| 02:55.24 | ShadowJK_ | cehteh: device mostly. is it different in the sdk? |
| 02:55.26 | jaem | in fact, I generally have to kill it |
| 02:55.57 | jaem | ...in doing so, I found out that my uni's server nicely mails you a note telling you how to recover your files from vi or ed if the connection hangs up on you |
| 02:56.00 | jaem | :) |
| 02:56.21 | cehteh | i read about some shortcut with the function key ... you dont have the function key on the sdk |
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| 02:59.30 | ShadowJK_ | added | with some gconftool abuse |
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| 03:01.19 | jaem | ShadowJK_, info? |
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| 03:07.38 | ShadowJK_ | gconftool-2 -t list -s --list-type string /apps/osso/xterm/keys "[bar,Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down]" |
| 03:07.58 | ShadowJK_ | gconftool-2 -t list -s --list-type string /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels "[|,Tab,Esc,PgUp,PgDn]" |
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| 03:08.18 | jaem | thanks! |
| 03:08.50 | ShadowJK_ | huh, pasting multiple lines from Notes to xchat didn't work :) |
| 03:09.24 | ShadowJK_ | (had to manually copy both individually) |
| 03:09.40 | jaem | hmm... do you know of any Maemo apps that connect to a BT device which I could use for reference? |
| 03:09.57 | jaem | I'm trying to figure out how best to do this, and it's taking forever |
| 03:10.21 | ShadowJK_ | I saw one in extras claiming to send arbitrary files over bluetooth |
| 03:10.31 | jaem | right! |
| 03:10.31 | jaem | thanks |
| 03:10.34 | pupnik | is there a food or drug i can take that will make video games feel like i was 9 years old in 1978? |
| 03:11.06 | jaem | pupnik, were you eating or on drugs when you were 9? |
| 03:11.11 | jaem | that might make a difference |
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| 03:11.26 | pupnik | no, i was just new |
| 03:11.35 | jaem | lol |
| 03:12.01 | pupnik | salute jaem :) |
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| 03:12.13 | pupnik | we are on a quest |
| 03:12.25 | jaem | heh |
| 03:13.14 | pupnik | just looking at a cup my mom bought. remembering her expression as she suggested we buy it. |
| 03:14.06 | jaem | ? |
| 03:15.14 | ShadowJK_ | oh, there's bluemaemo, of course :) |
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| 03:16.26 | jaem | ShadowJK_, yes, but that's the opposite of what I need |
| 03:19.29 | jaem | lol @ ad fail: "Find Zellers Store Hours at Great Prices" |
| 03:19.33 | jaem | wait... now I need to pay for that? |
| 03:19.52 | jaem | I used to just have to wait through annoying phone messages telling me to get lost and visit the website |
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| 03:22.57 | ShadowJK_ | opposite? I'm not sure there's a difference :) |
| 03:23.15 | ShadowJK_ | atleast not the connecting bit of it |
| 03:24.14 | ShadowJK_ | also Petrovich |
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| 03:46.21 | asidjazz | the app manager needs to detect and display new apps |
| 03:47.14 | ShadowJK_ | it'd be kinda funny now when the repos die and resurrect all the time :) |
| 03:47.32 | jaem | ShadowJK_, the issue is that I need to scan to see if a known device is around, and if so, connect to it silently, only asking the user to search/pair if it can't find a trusted device |
| 03:48.09 | GeneralAntilles | asidjazz, patches welcome. ;) |
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| 03:49.08 | jaem | ShadowJK_, and I'm just not sure what the best way to do that is |
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| 03:52.48 | philosohper | any one know about the cybermonday thing ? |
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| 03:56.26 | pupnik | reply sent to: |
| 03:56.27 | pupnik | marketing@12345.ovi.com |
| 03:56.47 | pupnik | it makes you stupid philosohper |
| 03:57.08 | jaem | philosohper, what's this about? |
| 03:57.35 | pupnik | my tits |
| 03:57.49 | philosohper | pupnik: ? |
| 03:58.05 | pupnik | sorry drive by comment |
| 03:58.17 | philosohper | philosohper: just read some rumor on t.m.o about a cerbermonday rebate code for nokia usa |
| 03:58.49 | pupnik | i hate phrases like 'black friday', 'cyber monday' and hope people who find such things meaningful have industrial accidents involving reproductive organs. |
| 03:59.01 | pupnik | ah |
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| 04:05.16 | jaem | FYI, qdbus tools available here: http://adrestia.creativemisconfiguration.com/files/ffejery/maemo/qt/ |
| 04:05.23 | jaem | for the N900, that is |
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| 04:05.49 | jaem | I thought they might be useful for someone |
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| 04:06.06 | tran228 | who have better touch iphone 3gs or n900 ? |
| 04:06.19 | jkimball4 | depends |
| 04:06.30 | jkimball4 | on how you use them |
| 04:06.45 | tran228 | what do you mean depens |
| 04:06.48 | tran228 | you can explain ? |
| 04:06.52 | jkimball4 | i phone has multitouch and is capacitive |
| 04:07.01 | jkimball4 | so your finger has to touch it |
| 04:07.11 | jkimball4 | but you can use a bunch of fingers if you want and they all register |
| 04:07.29 | tran228 | i dont really need a multitouch |
| 04:07.34 | tran228 | just a better touch |
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| 04:07.59 | jkimball4 | n900 requires pressure as opposed to requiring your finger to conduct electricity |
| 04:08.02 | tran228 | for messages ( i want to use virtual qwerty keyboard) and internet and numbers.. |
| 04:08.28 | jkimball4 | why? |
| 04:08.44 | jkimball4 | n900 is a better typing experience since it has real buttons |
| 04:08.52 | jkimball4 | it's not really that much thicker considering it has a full keyboard |
| 04:09.18 | tran228 | yes i know but i prefer virtual keyboard |
| 04:09.33 | rm_you|wtf | boggles |
| 04:09.37 | jkimball4 | boggles too |
| 04:09.45 | jkimball4 | so you know virtual is crap, but you still prefer it? |
| 04:09.45 | rm_you|wtf | pokes tran228 |
| 04:09.50 | rm_you|wtf | are you a REAL person? |
| 04:09.58 | rm_you|wtf | thinks we should run a turing test |
| 04:10.18 | tran228 | i love the touch |
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| 04:11.09 | ShadowJK_ | I can swipe the smudges off the screen without it registering touches |
| 04:11.34 | ShadowJK_ | but no problem activating context menus and picking the right option even with fingers |
| 04:11.43 | jkimball4 | i guess.. might as well use someone else finger.. you'll get just as much tactile sensation |
| 04:11.53 | ShadowJK_ | the n8x0 touchscreen made it hard even with stylus |
| 04:13.03 | pupnik | fix fuckin pulseaudio |
| 04:13.11 | tran228 | nokia x6 will be better :) |
| 04:13.22 | jkimball4 | pulseaudio = manure |
| 04:13.39 | pupnik | i think we will have to live with it |
| 04:13.58 | pupnik | i think we will have to live with n900 being as fast as n800 when it plays back audio |
| 04:14.21 | pupnik | which was slower than N770 in some ways |
| 04:14.44 | pupnik | come on |
| 04:14.47 | pupnik | you guys |
| 04:14.54 | pupnik | tell me how to disable eq and x-prot |
| 04:15.00 | pupnik | i will be an annoying ass if you don't |
| 04:15.23 | pupnik | i'm a black belt at that |
| 04:16.25 | pupnik | ok, unfair, 5:15 am |
| 04:16.36 | pupnik | 4 weeks nokia |
| 04:16.39 | pupnik | bbl |
| 04:17.21 | jaem | who's the contact for the Maemo connectivity stacks? |
| 04:20.03 | jaem | "Think in terms of finding the double barrel shotgun in Doom, getting the Holy Grenade in Worms, looting an epic item in WoW, getting super cow powers in Aptitude." - lol |
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| 04:37.22 | ShadowJK_ | with headphones the lowest volume setting on n900 isn't low enough :/ |
| 04:37.49 | ShadowJK_ | but the sound is much less hissy than on n8x0 :) |
| 04:37.50 | Proteous | just turn your ears down |
| 04:38.02 | Chani | huh |
| 04:38.15 | Chani | worksforme... but... I think I was using my n810'ss headphones |
| 04:38.16 | Proteous | your ears don't have volume controls? |
| 04:38.30 | cehteh | huh you cant turn it to nearly silence? |
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| 04:38.58 | cehteh | thinks thats a bug |
| 04:39.32 | cehteh | same for lighting ... can you turn it as much down that its barely readable in a dark room? |
| 04:40.04 | cehteh | has his laptop brightness almost always down at the lowest level |
| 04:40.17 | Chani | thinks it's a bug that turning the volume down doesn't affect sound effects |
| 04:40.20 | Chani | have to actually set it to sielent mode to avoid being woinken up by random messages |
| 04:40.21 | ShadowJK_ | it doesn't go as low as n810 with the combined brightness and volume applet |
| 04:40.41 | cehteh | urgs |
| 04:40.59 | ShadowJK_ | I wish I could turn off ts sounds but keep the vib |
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| 04:42.19 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK_, we're working on it. ;) |
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| 04:43.19 | ShadowJK_ | ponders about volume |
| 04:45.28 | ShadowJK_ | the lowest isn't uncomfortably loud, but it's significantly louder than what I usually listen at, and obviously very far from a what I'd listen at f I just want something qin the background.. |
| 04:45.43 | ShadowJK_ | something quiet* |
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| 04:46.43 | jaem | my issue is that I have to turn notification sounds off when I go to sleep so that a daily digest e-mail doesn't wake me up at 4am, but then I forget to switch it back on |
| 04:47.00 | jaem | Chani, hi |
| 04:47.04 | Chani | o hai |
| 04:47.17 | jaem | I was just discussing my DBus problem with the folks in #qt |
| 04:47.23 | jaem | I think it's just bad docs on Nokia's part |
| 04:47.30 | jaem | which has made me waste quite a bit of time :/ |
| 04:47.49 | pupnik | it happens |
| 04:47.52 | jaem | heh |
| 04:47.55 | pupnik | i know its frustrating |
| 04:47.59 | ShadowJK_ | oh nice. alsamixer can make it go lower |
| 04:48.16 | jaem | well, when the docs say a method returns something, and it apparently doesn't, and you're new enough to the technology that you don't realize that... |
| 04:48.20 | jaem | it's really frustrating |
| 04:48.21 | jaem | lol |
| 04:48.36 | pupnik | yes |
| 04:48.47 | pupnik | and try to take notes jaem |
| 04:48.48 | jaem | ShadowJK_, is the system notification volume handled on a layer above alsa? |
| 04:48.52 | pupnik | i was always bad at that |
| 04:48.57 | pupnik | gst-? |
| 04:49.06 | jaem | pupnik, yes, I am going to write a long blog post about this afterward :P |
| 04:49.10 | ShadowJK_ | jaem: dunno |
| 04:49.11 | jaem | and then e-mail it to myself two days ago |
| 04:49.15 | jaem | -grin- |
| 04:49.42 | jaem | seriously, though - the lack of a good, solid, up-to-date tutorial on BlueZ is astounding |
| 04:49.47 | ShadowJK_ | i have the silent profile on now anyway |
| 04:50.05 | jaem | everything I can find is outdated, incomplete, or far too verbose for a beginner |
| 04:50.22 | ShadowJK_ | yes |
| 04:50.30 | jaem | there was a book that looked helpful, but it wasn't free, wasn't in my uni's library, and was probably outdated too :/ |
| 04:50.32 | jaem | sigh |
| 04:50.54 | ShadowJK_ | and the userspace tools no longer work with bluez, so you can spend days wondering wtf |
| 04:51.08 | jaem | ShadowJK_, which tools? |
| 04:51.45 | ShadowJK_ | rfcomm was dead at one point |
| 04:51.58 | jaem | it would be kind of nice if you could define your own profiles, e.g. ring for calls, but not e-mail/IM alerts, but that would likely be too complicated for most users |
| 04:52.04 | pupnik | k |
| 04:52.05 | jaem | wait... what? |
| 04:52.10 | jaem | you mean rfcomm the program? |
| 04:52.16 | ShadowJK_ | yeah |
| 04:52.19 | jaem | wheew |
| 04:52.34 | jaem | I thought you meant the rfcomm subsystem, and I was temporarily feeling doomed ;) |
| 04:53.31 | cehteh | no fuse on the n900 kernel? |
| 04:53.42 | ShadowJK_ | sets PCM to -18dB with alsamixer |
| 04:54.08 | ShadowJK_ | I bet it will be too quiet without headphones now.. |
| 04:55.27 | ShadowJK_ | ah no. it reset eveything to 0dB.. good thing i didnt touch the uservisible sound controls or Id be deaf now :) |
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| 05:14.28 | pupnik | the usa is a meat malignancy |
| 05:15.01 | pupnik | no wait |
| 05:15.04 | pupnik | better metaphor |
| 05:15.08 | pupnik | the USA is a hive of insects |
| 05:16.35 | doc|home | ^ and that kids, is why you shouldn't do drugs |
| 05:17.06 | AakashPatel | haha |
| 05:19.01 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, :( |
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| 05:19.20 | tigert | cehteh: at least theres sshfs in repository |
| 05:19.42 | cehteh | ah ok, didnt found it on the emulator |
| 05:19.52 | cehteh | but some packages are only on ARMEL |
| 05:23.28 | jaem | tigert, which repo? I'd been wondering about that |
| 05:23.42 | jaem | that would greatly simplify my testing workflow |
| 05:26.16 | pupnik | doc|home: you sir are unwelcome here |
| 05:26.34 | pupnik | go |
| 05:26.47 | cehteh | you need kernel support for fuse, that was my initial question |
| 05:27.10 | pupnik | you gain nothing from being here |
| 05:27.14 | pupnik | and you will cause harm |
| 05:27.19 | pupnik | doc|home: |
| 05:27.28 | doc|home | now now arnim, there's no need for that |
| 05:27.39 | pupnik | now now doc|home look at what i have for you |
| 05:27.41 | cehteh | guess no crypto in the kernel either so i have to build a kernel anyways :P |
| 05:27.51 | pupnik | do you want to chat live? |
| 05:28.04 | doc|home | why would I want to chat with someone who seems to be off their meds? |
| 05:28.39 | pupnik | i think you are just digging, digging, digging |
| 05:28.47 | pupnik | for a landmine doc |
| 05:28.56 | ShadowJK_ | recommends he use of /ignore |
| 05:28.57 | doc|home | er, what? |
| 05:29.03 | doc|home | fair point |
| 05:29.09 | doc|home | goes to do something productive |
| 05:29.57 | pupnik | doc|home is quite possibly one of the most evil persons on this network |
| 05:30.02 | pupnik | a so-called gatekeeper |
| 05:30.08 | pupnik | and spy |
| 05:30.29 | pupnik | full-on evil alert |
| 05:30.37 | pupnik | :) |
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| 05:30.56 | doc|home | o.O |
| 05:31.00 | pupnik | it's just my spidey senses tingling, guys |
| 05:31.32 | pupnik | y'all have to keep a sharp eye on your servers |
| 05:31.42 | pupnik | a very, very sharp eye |
| 05:31.46 | doc|home | that's libel |
| 05:32.05 | pupnik | cause the doc is here to treat you |
| 05:32.07 | pupnik | right |
| 05:32.19 | pupnik | the doc|home |
| 05:33.19 | pupnik | doc|home and doc|work are nicks you should never, ever, ever chat with :) |
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| 05:33.34 | doc|home | yes! I'm evil! |
| 05:33.38 | pupnik | sorry maemo |
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| 05:33.45 | doc|home | what a whackjob |
| 05:33.52 | AakashPatel | huh |
| 05:34.18 | doc|home | we've had run-ins in the past, he's a couple of cans short of a six-pack |
| 05:34.52 | AakashPatel | haha |
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| 05:49.38 | tigert | cehteh: tested and it worked |
| 05:49.49 | cehteh | cool |
| 05:49.49 | tigert | so it is in kernel |
| 05:49.52 | cehteh | thanks |
| 05:50.13 | tigert | jaem: maemo extras maybe? |
| 05:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, never trust the dark liquors. ;) |
| 05:50.51 | tigert | or -devel |
| 05:50.57 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: hehe |
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| 06:10.42 | ML-37_770 | lololo |
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| 06:14.52 | RST38h | moos |
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| 06:22.52 | jaem | is annoyed at Nokia |
| 06:23.04 | jaem | specifically, at whoever wrote this: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libconbtui/src/conbtdialogs-dbus.h |
| 06:23.54 | jaem | I've spent a good portion of today trying to figure out why show_search_dlg doesn't seem to return anything, only to find out that it looks like it /actually/ doesn't |
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| 06:24.10 | jaem | but since they didn't add DBus Introspection, I've having trouble making sure |
| 06:24.11 | jaem | :/ |
| 06:24.24 | jaem | also, I had to code up the Introspection XML file myself |
| 06:24.26 | jaem | grr |
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| 06:26.45 | jaem | who would I complain to about that? I don't want to file a bug, since part of it probably isn't one, and the rest definitely isn't, but it's rather annoying |
| 06:27.10 | jaem | s/complain/talk/ :P |
| 06:27.16 | lcuk | file a bug. its the best way to make sure devs see it |
| 06:27.24 | jaem | lcuk, okay, fair enough |
| 06:27.24 | wrapster | i have just finished writing a python app .. would like to provide a UI for it.. would it be better to use python itself or qt? |
| 06:27.28 | lcuk | and you can discuss it rationally |
| 06:27.45 | wrapster | mind you that i need to later port it to maemo as well!! |
| 06:27.48 | jaem | if they'd done things a bit better, it would have saved me a lot of frustration :P |
| 06:28.03 | jaem | wrapster, Qt's nice, although I haven't used it with Python |
| 06:28.16 | jaem | and it's about as cross-platform as you can get with that sort of thing |
| 06:28.22 | jaem | lcuk, thanks |
| 06:28.47 | lcuk | jaem, bugs occur all the time in all software. only when someone else codes up new stuff (instead of using the existing) do things get discovered. as a dev you should know that |
| 06:29.14 | jaem | lcuk, yes... but I'm still learning DBus, and I'm not entirely certain it isn't my fault |
| 06:29.19 | jaem | so I was hesitant |
| 06:29.27 | jaem | but at any rate, there are some ways they could improve it |
| 06:29.40 | lcuk | lol |
| 06:29.48 | lcuk | nahhh from my own code |
| 06:29.55 | lcuk | i know how easily i could write something like that |
| 06:30.04 | lcuk | and forget to return correct result |
| 06:30.14 | lcuk | especially since theres a result variable specifically afterwards |
| 06:30.24 | jaem | heh |
| 06:30.32 | jaem | but the lack of Introspection ability is annoying |
| 06:30.43 | lcuk | so dbus allows it does it? |
| 06:31.08 | wrapster | jaem: here is the thing.. i was here yday as well.. and got the pythong app running on n900 now if you could suggest what could be a good option for a UI it will be great.. im new to python (UI programming) and qt so does not make differnce. |
| 06:31.16 | jaem | introspection? yes, but you have to implement the right interface |
| 06:31.24 | jaem | and write up some XML |
| 06:31.36 | jaem | 26 lines, but I had to look it up for the first time, and do it by hand |
| 06:31.46 | wrapster | but if you could point me out to some links where such a thing has already been done for n900 i can take a look at it and learn faster.. pressed for time thats y. |
| 06:31.54 | jaem | wrapster, I'd say go with Qt, but I've never tried GTK |
| 06:32.01 | jaem | wrapster, I'll try - give me a sec |
| 06:32.06 | wrapster | jaem: ok |
| 06:32.08 | jaem | what's the project? |
| 06:32.15 | lcuk | wrapster, learn to oogle |
| 06:32.22 | lcuk | no1 can show you a full ui subsystem |
| 06:32.23 | lcuk | pygtk |
| 06:32.28 | lcuk | qt python thingy |
| 06:32.33 | lcuk | pygame even |
| 06:32.43 | lcuk | any of hte common examples will work on device |
| 06:32.53 | jaem | lcuk, I don't think wrapster wanted a complete run-down, just code for reference |
| 06:33.09 | jaem | I presume the N900 is using PySide for Qt, right? |
| 06:33.11 | wrapster | jaem: correct.. |
| 06:35.00 | lcuk | i think so |
| 06:35.05 | wrapster | jaem: im dont have the phone so some one on the IRC should only help me. |
| 06:35.36 | jaem | wrapster, are you getting one? |
| 06:35.48 | wrapster | jaem: should be in sometime though |
| 06:35.56 | jaem | people here are usually happy to test, but you'll want your own :P |
| 06:36.17 | wrapster | jaem: i know that.. but could you please let me in on this one.... |
| 06:36.35 | jaem | wrapster, well, as lcuk and I said, if you want to use Qt with Python, you'll want PySide |
| 06:36.51 | wrapster | hmm ok. |
| 06:36.52 | jaem | I'm not sure how stable that is (and thus, which repo it would be in), but a quick search should tell you that |
| 06:36.59 | doc|suk|dik | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.17 | jaem | Qt has pretty good documentation, and if you search for "PySide examples", or some such, that should get you going |
| 06:40.26 | doc|suk|dik | hi! |
| 06:42.39 | RST38h | Hehe: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/14/michael_dell_churchill_club_speech/ |
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| 06:53.05 | mece | Boss just handed me 2 N900's :) |
| 06:53.25 | Sargun | fuck you |
| 06:53.27 | Sargun | bastar |
| 06:53.28 | Sargun | d |
| 06:53.30 | Sargun | -_- |
| 06:53.31 | mece | heh |
| 06:53.36 | Sargun | had his n900 ship |
| 06:53.47 | doc|home | for the record doc|suk|dik = pupnik |
| 06:55.12 | Sargun | is waiting for his N900 |
| 06:55.13 | doc|home | Nov 29 04:05:36 *pupnik (n=pupnik@p54B2F398.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #maemo |
| 06:55.15 | Sargun | it should get her tomorrow |
| 06:55.40 | lcuk | her? |
| 06:56.16 | *** mode/#maemo [+o GeneralAntilles] by ChanServ |
| 06:56.39 | GeneralAntilles | doc|suk|dik, don't make me call Freenode in on you. |
| 06:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | doc|suk|dik, impersonation will get you a k-line. |
| 06:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | So, let's try not to be a prick tonight, thanks. |
| 06:57.28 | *** kick/#maemo [doc|suk|dik!n=ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles] by GeneralAntilles (GeneralAntilles) |
| 06:57.40 | doc|home | I should have pointed out he mispelt dick |
| 06:57.47 | doc|home | shrugs |
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| 07:01.26 | simula_ | does anyone know of a link that could help me resize my /home partition at the expense of /home/user/MyDocs? |
| 07:03.03 | simula_ | or a way to make /home/user/MyDocs executable... removing noexec from the fstab entry gets the fstab file rewritten on startup |
| 07:03.38 | Proteous | brilliant spam filter evasion: This pills will help you "resize your /home partition" |
| 07:03.47 | simula_ | heh |
| 07:04.18 | mece | Sargun, These are not mine as such though. It's phones for developing crap on for work. My own phone should be here friday or monday |
| 07:04.43 | jaem | mece, yeah, same for me, only I can't afford my own :( |
| 07:04.56 | jaem | that said, I should be able to keep the loaner for a while |
| 07:05.03 | mece | o |
| 07:05.20 | jaem | ? |
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| 07:09.02 | ShadowJK_ | i feel fear each time i touch bugzilla and it spews out mails to a bunch of people |
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| 07:09.51 | Sargun | lol |
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| 07:21.40 | Stskeeps | wtf's at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35435 |
| 07:22.29 | lorelei^ | isn't tmo a huge wtf since a few months ago? (but yeah, wtf that thread also...) |
| 07:23.00 | Stskeeps | especially since we don't really have DRM or the likes on the platform.. |
| 07:23.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 07:24.25 | Stskeeps | also, we need to ban the word 'dealbreaker' |
| 07:25.03 | lorelei^ | :) that, and a few more words |
| 07:25.41 | ShadowJK_ | how about automatic word substitutions instead? |
| 07:26.13 | ShadowJK_ | s/dealbreaker/squealingbadger/g on all of tmo |
| 07:26.27 | Stskeeps | and s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g |
| 07:27.12 | ShadowJK_ | wonders how many people will shoot him if he opens a "Lowest volume is not low enough" bug |
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| 07:31.31 | Xisdibik | is qwerty still sleeping? :O |
| 07:31.57 | Stskeeps | or he's in school |
| 07:32.12 | Xisdibik | also shoots ShadowJK_ for opening that bug ;) |
| 07:32.29 | Xisdibik | Stskeeps: if i had a n900, and was in school, id be on IRC :-P |
| 07:33.20 | lorelei^ | won't shoot ShadowJK_ (my N800 FM receiver is too loud, even with everything at the minimum...don't know for N900) |
| 07:34.10 | Ford_Prefect | <3 mem-monitor-smaps |
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| 07:35.59 | lcuk | Xisdibik, in my sons school they confescate tech till the end of *term* |
| 07:36.07 | lcuk | imagine 3 months without new n900 |
| 07:36.12 | jaem | lcuk, yikes! |
| 07:36.24 | jaem | we didn't have fancy schmancy N900s when I was in high school |
| 07:36.27 | luke-jr | lcuk: go get it yourself? |
| 07:36.35 | jaem | we relied on our trusty TI-83+'s for games |
| 07:36.36 | luke-jr | lcuk: if they refuse to give it to you, that's called theft |
| 07:36.36 | Xisdibik | lcuk: would you give your son a n900? :P |
| 07:36.49 | lcuk | Xisdibik, its any tech |
| 07:36.53 | KenYoung | I used a slide rule! |
| 07:36.54 | jaem | I was the only guy in the school with a link cable, so I supplied all the games |
| 07:36.56 | lcuk | but yeah id love to get him one |
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| 07:37.05 | lcuk | he keeps kickin mine and goin mental at what it does |
| 07:37.07 | Xisdibik | lcuk: why would you send him to that kinda school, sounds like prison :P |
| 07:37.11 | lcuk | nickin |
| 07:37.17 | jaem | ...and then laughed while everyone got busted for playing games in math class |
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| 07:37.24 | Xisdibik | better hope hes not kickin ur n900 :D |
| 07:37.38 | Stskeeps | jaem: and the ti83's very likely the only devices they couldn't take away as it was needed for class |
| 07:37.49 | jaem | the usual punishment for which was to spend all of lunch break doing purposely tedious long division problems |
| 07:37.54 | jaem | easy, but very tedious |
| 07:37.57 | Xisdibik | i used my ti83 for games as well back in the day :) |
| 07:38.05 | jaem | Stskeeps, they would, actually, but only for part of the day |
| 07:38.13 | lcuk | back in my day calculators didnt come supplied with games |
| 07:38.17 | lcuk | we had to make our own up lol |
| 07:38.26 | Xisdibik | lcuk: thats an abbacus not a calculator ;) |
| 07:38.31 | lcuk | lol |
| 07:38.31 | jaem | I remember at one point I got someone to pay me $5 to tell him what the boss-button for one of the shells was |
| 07:38.38 | jaem | and then I laughed as he got busted anyway |
| 07:38.42 | plr_ | I had ti85 and a link cable :) (well, still do - don't know about the cable though) |
| 07:38.44 | lcuk | we used to see who could get the 1++ counter upto 1000 fastest |
| 07:38.54 | jaem | ...of course, the info was easily available online |
| 07:38.55 | Xisdibik | yea i still have my ti83 |
| 07:39.14 | lcuk | online o_O |
| 07:39.17 | jaem | Xisdibik, I do too, but I normally just use either my N810 or N900 to emulate it |
| 07:39.26 | Xisdibik | thats one piece of tech that hasnt changed much in recent years |
| 07:39.29 | lcuk | that was something psoken of in hushed circles at my school |
| 07:39.37 | jaem | lcuk, meh... apparently $5 was worth less than the time to Google it |
| 07:39.38 | jaem | haha |
| 07:39.50 | Xisdibik | jaem: well im in university now, and during exams the teacher wont let us use our mobiles, but a ti83 is ok ;) |
| 07:40.15 | Xisdibik | i had one teacher let me use my mobile for calculating once |
| 07:40.19 | jaem | Xisdibik, my uni is pretty strict |
| 07:40.31 | Xisdibik | my uni is very relaxed |
| 07:40.32 | jaem | I think the official banned items list for exams now includes programmable watches |
| 07:40.58 | Xisdibik | the strictest bit is some teachers require photo id, so they know its you and not someone else taking the exam |
| 07:41.02 | Xisdibik | but they are few and far between |
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| 07:41.08 | jaem | last semester, when they put the extended list in place, I checked and realized I had 13 objects on my person that violated their rules :P |
| 07:41.16 | jaem | on an average day |
| 07:41.19 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 07:41.37 | Xisdibik | as long as your not actively cheating, most teachers dont care what u use on an exam |
| 07:41.53 | Xisdibik | but god so many students cheat in the big lecture classes |
| 07:41.55 | jaem | hmm... here they care, just on principle |
| 07:41.55 | lcuk | "sorry, just need to bring my study coach in with me" |
| 07:41.56 | mece | heh found a bug! |
| 07:42.00 | jaem | lol |
| 07:42.23 | jaem | well, some cell phones have a "vibrate SMS in morse code" feature - I have to wonder if anyone has exploited that yet |
| 07:42.38 | Xisdibik | rofl |
| 07:42.50 | jaem | obscure, yes - easy to get away with, also yes |
| 07:42.53 | jaem | not that I would |
| 07:42.58 | jaem | but it is vaguely amusing |
| 07:43.13 | Xisdibik | my econometrics teacher wont let me near a computer during an exam except the class ones, because he knows i know alot about them |
| 07:43.29 | Xisdibik | first day of class i tought him how to do everything he was teaching us faster ;) |
| 07:43.41 | lcuk | jaem |
| 07:43.59 | lcuk | buzzzzzzzzzzz buzzzzzzzzzz buzz |
| 07:44.00 | lcuk | could work |
| 07:44.04 | lcuk | really well |
| 07:44.38 | Xisdibik | it would work well until randomly between morse code exam answers |
| 07:44.47 | Xisdibik | your mom texts you asking to get milk on the way home, or something to that effect |
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| 07:45.17 | lcuk | depending on where you hide the device and choice of ringtone you have, there could also be some other comical sideeffects |
| 07:45.26 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 07:45.52 | mece | hey could someone recreate this (very minor) bug on their N900? |
| 07:46.06 | jaem | lcuk, oh... let me tell you about that >:) |
| 07:46.08 | jaem | first year |
| 07:46.11 | jaem | I got a new cell phone |
| 07:46.28 | jaem | and the carrier gave me one free ring tone download (the most generous thing they've ever done :/) |
| 07:46.33 | Xisdibik | are you sure we wanna hear this jaem? :p |
| 07:46.39 | jaem | most of them were stupid pop songs and celebrity quotes |
| 07:46.41 | jaem | Xisdibik, yes |
| 07:46.44 | Xisdibik | haha k |
| 07:46.57 | jaem | and the only one that looked interesting was "Air Raid Siren" |
| 07:47.03 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 07:47.04 | jaem | ...you can probably see where this is going |
| 07:47.12 | Xisdibik | yep |
| 07:47.15 | Xisdibik | but continue |
| 07:47.18 | jaem | I accidentally left it on during an exam, in the front of the room |
| 07:47.20 | jaem | it rang... |
| 07:47.39 | jaem | muffled, under a coat, and due to the acoustics of the lecture hall, it was hard to tell where it was coming from |
| 07:47.48 | jaem | my prof freaked out and tried to evacuate the room |
| 07:47.51 | jaem | -snerk- |
| 07:47.57 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 07:48.02 | jaem | and I sheepishly say... "that's... my... phone..." |
| 07:48.09 | jaem | right before everyone runs out |
| 07:48.19 | lcuk | yikes |
| 07:48.32 | mece | LOL |
| 07:48.35 | jaem | I didn't get in trouble, though |
| 07:48.39 | Xisdibik | did you get an A in that class? :) |
| 07:48.44 | jaem | I think the prof was too embarrassed to mention it |
| 07:49.04 | ML-37_770 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.18 | ML-37_770 | err |
| 07:49.23 | mece | Hey anyone here with an N900? |
| 07:49.28 | ML-37_770 | lol thats great |
| 07:49.28 | jaem | yep |
| 07:49.37 | Xisdibik | no one here has a n900 |
| 07:49.41 | Xisdibik | they are vaporware |
| 07:49.42 | mece | figured :P |
| 07:49.53 | ML-37_770 | just ordeered mine |
| 07:49.59 | jaem | mece, what do you need? |
| 07:50.03 | mece | either way. in xterm, ssh to a server, then exit from the server. |
| 07:50.11 | jaem | yep |
| 07:50.15 | jaem | what're you wondering? |
| 07:50.16 | mece | the title of the xterm remains that of the remote server |
| 07:50.26 | jaem | yeah, that happens on KDE sometimes too |
| 07:50.31 | jaem | not sure why |
| 07:50.36 | mece | DEALBREAKER!!! |
| 07:50.42 | mece | ;) |
| 07:50.44 | mece | anyway |
| 07:50.45 | tigert | your local prompt doesnt set title maybe |
| 07:50.45 | jaem | slaps mece with a trout |
| 07:50.54 | tigert | most linux distros do that in bash |
| 07:50.54 | mece | I guess so. |
| 07:51.00 | tigert | but n900 has ash |
| 07:51.03 | mece | it's not bash though. |
| 07:51.05 | tigert | you can apt-get install bash |
| 07:51.06 | tigert | I guess |
| 07:51.17 | tigert | so I dunno if ash supports such prompt stuff |
| 07:51.17 | jaem | tigert, I really wish it didn't use BusyBox |
| 07:51.24 | jaem | but I guess it's reasonable |
| 07:51.29 | tigert | jaem: space reasons yeah |
| 07:51.36 | mece | ok well I wont file a bug then.. |
| 07:51.44 | jaem | yay! I'm not getting the "This will probably end badly..." error anymore :D |
| 07:51.49 | Xisdibik | thought it was a dealbreaker mece ;) |
| 07:51.51 | jaem | that's probably a good thing |
| 07:51.52 | mece | lol |
| 07:52.01 | ML-37_770 | haa |
| 07:52.09 | mece | Xisdibik, it got better. |
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| 07:52.37 | mece | Xisdibik, e.g I'm no longer a newt |
| 07:53.00 | Xisdibik | what are you now? a toad? salamander? |
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| 07:55.53 | mece | Xisdibik, What are nerds no longer into monty python? Shame on you! |
| 07:56.10 | mece | nerds are just too cool for their own good these days. |
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| 07:56.52 | Xisdibik | mece: i havnt seen monty python things in years |
| 07:57.16 | Xisdibik | its also midnight so my brains on standby |
| 07:57.17 | timeless_mbp | jaem: our physics teacher had a policy about the ti's |
| 07:57.22 | jaem | mece, since nerds aren't cool by definition, a non-zero value of cool is also by definition not good for them ;) |
| 07:57.25 | timeless_mbp | we had to reset their memory |
| 07:57.31 | timeless_mbp | or trade ours in for tests |
| 07:57.33 | jaem | timeless_mbp, ha! there were apps to fake that |
| 07:57.35 | timeless_mbp | since i always had programs |
| 07:57.37 | jaem | it's dead easy |
| 07:57.43 | timeless_mbp | afaik no one cheated it |
| 07:57.47 | jaem | that's good |
| 07:58.02 | jaem | I don't endorse cheating, but I can appreciate genius as long as it's not /too/ evil |
| 07:58.15 | DangerMaus | hehe |
| 07:58.19 | timeless_mbp | anyway, i always had stuff on mine that i didn't want to lose, so i always traded |
| 07:58.32 | Xisdibik | yea im against cheating, but finding loopholes isnt cheating ;) |
| 07:58.40 | timeless_mbp | jaem: formally, there's an @author line in your .h file |
| 07:58.44 | mece | jaem, yes but nerds, or at least nerdy things are seen in a very different way than they were 20 years ago. |
| 07:58.46 | timeless_mbp | i'd email it just for kicks |
| 07:59.00 | jaem | timeless_mbp, I don't know if they still sell them, but did you ever see the "school calculator" models, with the bright orange backplates? |
| 07:59.15 | jaem | timeless_mbp, where? |
| 07:59.29 | timeless_mbp | the /fremantle/ url you posted over an hour ago |
| 07:59.55 | timeless_mbp | you were complaining about dbus introspection? |
| 08:00.04 | jaem | oh, that's what you meant |
| 08:00.09 | jaem | yeah, that might be worthwhile |
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| 08:00.13 | jaem | thanks |
| 08:00.14 | jaem | brb |
| 08:00.32 | Xisdibik | alright i cant stay awake any longer, see you all later |
| 08:00.41 | jaem | g'night Xisdibik |
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| 08:03.29 | mece | "who" doesn't seem to work properly on this thing... |
| 08:05.33 | luke-jr | mece: or you don't know how to use it ;) |
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| 08:07.17 | mece | luke-jr, how do I use it then? |
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| 08:13.46 | jaem | luke-jr, how many ways are there to use the "who" command? |
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| 08:14.06 | jaem | runs man who |
| 08:14.09 | jaem | ....apparently a lot... nvm |
| 08:14.11 | jaem | lol |
| 08:15.18 | mece | man is not installed apparently. |
| 08:15.24 | jaem | mece, nope |
| 08:15.27 | jaem | unfortunately |
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| 08:15.37 | jaem | but manpages are usually on the web |
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| 08:16.39 | mece | nod |
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| 08:18.07 | luke-jr | I actually thought he meant the IRC WHO command... |
| 08:18.09 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 08:19.05 | Stskeeps | that one has a lot of options too |
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| 08:20.16 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: but no man page |
| 08:20.56 | Stskeeps | sure it does, /who -? on some ircds |
| 08:21.28 | ShadowJK | heh, not on this one |
| 08:21.41 | luke-jr | that's not a man page |
| 08:22.49 | ShadowJK | A man page would be useless, the syntax and features varies somewhat between servers |
| 08:23.04 | luke-jr | [02:22:31] *** SOTFts32721 is now known as hey. |
| 08:23.05 | luke-jr | [02:22:33] <-- hey has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). |
| 08:23.10 | luke-jr | my bot gets a LITTLE smarter? |
| 08:23.20 | luke-jr | now if only he stuck around after renaming XD |
| 08:23.34 | viggi | lol |
| 08:23.36 | mece | luke-jr, maybe he's shy |
| 08:23.45 | luke-jr | XD |
| 08:23.54 | Stskeeps | you are now as intelligent as people communicating through no-nickname-changes mode.. |
| 08:24.15 | mece | you think my (workplace's) phone will explode if I add the sdk tools repository and install some crap from there? |
| 08:24.24 | jaem | mece, yes |
| 08:24.26 | jaem | yes I do |
| 08:24.31 | jaem | literally explode |
| 08:24.33 | mece | jaem, explode, really? |
| 08:24.39 | jaem | and probably blow a hole in the wall |
| 08:24.42 | jaem | mece, known bug |
| 08:24.43 | mece | jaem, well now I really have to try it. |
| 08:24.48 | luke-jr | lol |
| 08:24.50 | jaem | ...er... "feature" |
| 08:24.51 | jaem | yes |
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| 08:24.56 | jaem | in case you need to blow up a wall |
| 08:25.09 | mece | jaem, well, I could do with a bigger office |
| 08:25.11 | jaem | no, but seriously, don't |
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| 08:25.13 | luke-jr | ROFL |
| 08:25.14 | viggi | basic McGyver feature :p |
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| 08:25.49 | jaem | as far as I know, you should be able to run an sdk chroot |
| 08:25.49 | mece | so where do I get x11-utils then? |
| 08:25.49 | luke-jr | heh |
| 08:25.49 | jaem | there's a forum thread - Google it |
| 08:25.53 | luke-jr | the next 'hey' parted and rejoined... |
| 08:25.57 | lcuk | mece i have built using my n900 since the day i got it |
| 08:26.00 | jaem | I'm not sure if they've worked it all out yet, but it should be possible |
| 08:26.03 | jaem | lcuk, how? |
| 08:26.10 | lcuk | one of the first things i attempted to do was setup build-essential :) |
| 08:26.21 | jaem | on the device's rootfs? |
| 08:26.21 | lcuk | on a clean device its pretty simple |
| 08:26.23 | jaem | or in a chroot? |
| 08:26.23 | lcuk | yeah |
| 08:26.27 | mece | lcuk, figured as much. I just want some shell tools for playing around. have a couple of users logged in on the phone. |
| 08:26.30 | jaem | and it didn't eat your hamster? |
| 08:26.35 | lcuk | nahh |
| 08:26.38 | jaem | I thought the sdk repo was prone to do that |
| 08:26.41 | lcuk | add sdk and tools |
| 08:26.46 | lcuk | make sure there was enough space |
| 08:26.51 | lcuk | apt-getinstall build-essential |
| 08:26.53 | lcuk | done |
| 08:26.56 | jaem | I presume they don't install to /opt :P |
| 08:27.01 | Stskeeps | you want to grab the development SDK instead |
| 08:27.03 | lcuk | i asked, they should |
| 08:27.03 | Stskeeps | err |
| 08:27.05 | Stskeeps | chroot |
| 08:27.08 | lcuk | i want all the -dev ones too |
| 08:27.10 | jaem | Stskeeps, link? |
| 08:27.19 | lcuk | but i havent the time or knowledge to run through them |
| 08:27.20 | mece | lcuk, I'm not gonna add the compilers and that. Just some shell tools |
| 08:27.22 | jaem | I'd like to be able to work on this project on the bus/train tomorrow |
| 08:27.34 | lcuk | mece, shell tools may be more restricted i believe |
| 08:27.50 | lcuk | you have the mini shell thingy errr i forget its name |
| 08:27.55 | lcuk | the one that screws up all gnu tools |
| 08:28.00 | mece | lcuk, well can't be more restricted than the stuff in the regular repos |
| 08:28.02 | jaem | lcuk, clue - it's busy |
| 08:28.04 | jaem | and it's a box |
| 08:28.08 | lcuk | yeah lol |
| 08:28.11 | lcuk | thx |
| 08:28.15 | jaem | np |
| 08:28.24 | mece | lcuk, well bash was in the regular repos |
| 08:28.27 | jaem | growls at busybox |
| 08:28.47 | jaem | mece, yes, but busybox is like GNU utilities with an eating disorder |
| 08:28.55 | Stskeeps | jaem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32772&highlight=sdk+chroot i think |
| 08:28.58 | mece | jaem, lol |
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| 08:30.23 | mece | I don't want a dev environment though.. just x11-utils and bsdutils and such. |
| 08:30.44 | Stskeeps | might get your device into a reboot loop |
| 08:33.08 | odin_ | how do you install your own "Trusted Root Certificates" in the Launcher -> Settings -> Certificate Manager ? |
| 08:33.26 | mece | oo zenity seems like fun times. I want that! |
| 08:33.40 | mece | http://zenity.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 08:34.40 | mece | oh well. |
| 08:34.55 | mece | I think I'll brick my own device instead, once I get it. |
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| 08:40.14 | DangerMaus | hehe mece thats always fun |
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| 08:55.36 | RST38h | Well... Moo. |
| 08:56.14 | derf | Moo RST38h. |
| 08:56.43 | odin_ | is it possible to change the powersaving modes depending on if its plugged in, on battery, etc.... also to increase the screen fade out delay before it goes off ? |
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| 08:57.34 | derf | I can't believe 2+ years later they still don't provide power profiles. |
| 09:00.37 | odin_ | also had problem with the camera app, I think it needs to extra threading adding and checking what parts of the kernel API can block and need to be reset-able |
| 09:02.07 | RST38h | heya derf |
| 09:02.37 | RST38h | odin: I remember seeing some setting about different behavior when being charged. Check Screen steeings |
| 09:02.40 | RST38h | settings |
| 09:02.53 | odin_ | how many cores does it have ? and how does threading affect battery life ? |
| 09:03.22 | suihkulokki | dude, you sound like a ricer |
| 09:03.51 | RST38h | strokes his core |
| 09:04.00 | odin_ | what is a ricer ? |
| 09:04.23 | Oli`` | wtf?! I've run out of disk space! Why is the root fs only 200-odd megs big? |
| 09:04.33 | RST38h | sighs |
| 09:05.09 | derf | RST38h: Another day in #maemo. |
| 09:05.12 | PolarFox | This channel could use a FAQ that would include just that one question :) |
| 09:05.16 | derf | You didn't expect anything new, did you? |
| 09:05.38 | jaem | Oli``, don't ask me, but apps are supposed to be packaged to stash things in /opt, which is symlinked to a larger partition |
| 09:05.50 | jaem | Oli``, are you by any chance installing things from repos other than extra? |
| 09:05.54 | odin_ | Oli``, how did you fill it ? |
| 09:05.57 | jaem | a lot of those aren't packaged in that way yet |
| 09:05.59 | RST38h | derf: Well, I kinda hoped the |
| 09:06.05 | RST38h | "newtmo" will not come here |
| 09:06.25 | derf | Maybe once I actually get my device I can fill the channel with me cursing at the DSP for you. |
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| 09:07.02 | RST38h | Oli: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=399897 |
| 09:07.27 | odin_ | yay my login works on meamo.org now |
| 09:07.36 | Oli`` | Oh I think it's because I used apt-get |
| 09:07.36 | RST38h | should try konttori's scaling API and promptly curse it, to create some lively online content |
| 09:07.50 | RST38h | Oli: No, it is because you installed lots of crap. |
| 09:07.56 | derf | I could curse garage's svn, if that would help. |
| 09:08.13 | RST38h | Oli: BUT, try rebooting. There is a magic trick performed by rebooting =) |
| 09:08.27 | jaem | RST38h, what? |
| 09:08.32 | Oli`` | RST38h: I didn't but hey |
| 09:08.40 | odin_ | but my email address for bugs is diff from my garage email? is that ok for karma? |
| 09:08.52 | RST38h | bug 5450 |
| 09:08.53 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space |
| 09:09.08 | jaem | oh, that |
| 09:09.09 | jaem | heh |
| 09:09.11 | jaem | fail |
| 09:09.33 | vesa | aye, but atleast it's workaroundable |
| 09:09.42 | Oli`` | oh look - apt-get clean gave me 50 megs back |
| 09:09.48 | RST38h | Ah, cool |
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| 09:11.34 | jaem | timeless_mbp, hiya |
| 09:11.37 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 09:11.43 | timeless_mbp | i got my other n900 back |
| 09:11.53 | jaem | I sent that guy an e-mail - thanks for pointing out the address |
| 09:11.56 | jaem | \o/ |
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| 09:12.07 | tank-man | other? wtf ever hear of sharing? |
| 09:12.14 | jaem | turns out BlueZ doesn't have Introspection either... :/ |
| 09:12.19 | jaem | so I'm having fun writing XML |
| 09:12.21 | jaem | grr |
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| 09:15.16 | jaem | O_o |
| 09:15.21 | jaem | my shoulder just made a squelching noise |
| 09:15.25 | jaem | this is probably not good |
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| 09:15.42 | jaem | too much time typing :P |
| 09:15.44 | DangerMaus | exchange it |
| 09:15.52 | jaem | DangerMaus, warranty's up |
| 09:16.01 | DangerMaus | haha |
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| 09:17.04 | mece | nåjo |
| 09:17.36 | mece | anyone tried to repartition the thing so that the 256mb card is used as swap and the rootfs is on the emmc? |
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| 09:17.58 | jaem | mece, I don't know how easy or advisable that particular configuration would be |
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| 09:20.10 | Oli`` | wouldn't that be really really slow? |
| 09:20.26 | Stskeeps | it's not a card, it's a NAND |
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| 09:21.37 | ShadowJK | and it's not even a block device |
| 09:22.12 | ShadowJK | Anyone noticed how in Maemo4 swappiness was set to 1, and now it's 100? :) |
| 09:22.24 | Stskeeps | wonders idly if nokia busy shooting themselves in the foot again |
| 09:22.24 | Stskeeps | +is |
| 09:22.47 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 09:22.57 | jaem | huh |
| 09:22.59 | Stskeeps | PeterMaemo on twitter, Over 400 wallpapers for #n900 featured on http://n900wallpapers.com/b... |
| 09:23.07 | jaem | ShadowJK, have you tried messing with the swappiness? |
| 09:23.08 | Stskeeps | http://n900wallpapers.com/browse/video_games |
| 09:23.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:23.18 | ShadowJK | jaem, not really |
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| 09:23.25 | jaem | Stskeeps, lol :) |
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| 09:23.38 | ShadowJK | jaem, I tried 100 on my N810 (way before N900), and it was faster at first |
| 09:23.50 | jaem | and then...? |
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| 09:24.33 | odin_ | what thing should go up on brainstorm ? any old crap ? LOL... someone over the weekend said an idea to add the task manager (Ctrl+Backspace) function to the "Power Off Menu" would be good to put up as brainstorm ? |
| 09:24.41 | L0cutus | re |
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| 09:24.55 | jaem | odin_, um... what?! |
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| 09:24.57 | jaem | lol |
| 09:25.24 | odin_ | jaem, which part is not clear ? |
| 09:25.38 | jaem | odin_, it's clear, just silly |
| 09:25.38 | ShadowJK | jaem, well, flash memory hits, you die? |
| 09:25.42 | jaem | I was laughing |
| 09:25.47 | odin_ | what is silly ? |
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| 09:26.23 | doc|suk|dik | so does anybody have a nice blog for irc law? i don't want to spend too much money |
| 09:26.24 | jaem | the task manager on the menu :S |
| 09:26.27 | doc|suk|dik | threats, harrassment etc |
| 09:26.28 | odin_ | which part the idea or the using brainstorm ? |
| 09:26.36 | jaem | banhammer! quick! |
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| 09:26.59 | odin_ | yes a menu item to make the device to back to task manager, the issue is I had an unresponsive app, so I go for the power off button to fix device |
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| 09:27.11 | jaem | oh... |
| 09:27.16 | jaem | sorry, I didn't mean that to be rude |
| 09:27.28 | doc|suk|dik | oh it's almost as good as politics on undernet |
| 09:27.37 | jaem | but if the app is unresponsive, why couldn't you still click the switcher button? |
| 09:27.40 | jaem | that's not part of the app |
| 09:27.44 | odin_ | nope |
| 09:27.48 | jaem | hmm |
| 09:27.49 | odin_ | the pointer and UI did not work |
| 09:28.07 | jaem | then doing it from the menu probably wouldn't work, unless the touchscreen itself had locked up and you could still use the keyboard |
| 09:28.23 | jaem | but if the app, or the desktop UI is frozen, you're probably out of luck |
| 09:28.27 | odin_ | Ctrl+Backspace did (but I needed to know about it) my instinct was to use power off button to force the only menu I knew I would get up |
| 09:28.35 | jaem | ohhhh |
| 09:28.39 | jaem | okay, I misunderstood you |
| 09:28.42 | jaem | yeah, that would be good |
| 09:29.10 | jaem | I thought you said that Ctrl+Backspace wasn't working either, in which case you're probably hooped |
| 09:29.17 | odin_ | from ripping peaces in me to praise all in 3 mins |
| 09:29.25 | jaem | lol |
| 09:29.29 | jaem | is sheepish |
| 09:29.31 | jaem | baaaa |
| 09:29.41 | odin_ | but it is an idea that "Brainstorm" is to be used for ? |
| 09:29.43 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 09:29.44 | infobot | ~pong |
| 09:29.45 | odin_ | for feedback ? |
| 09:30.07 | DangerMaus | jaem, are you my daaaa-dy |
| 09:30.22 | jaem | odin_, not the best suited, but it's likely more relevant than a lot of what's on there, if it's like most Brainstorm sites I've seen :P |
| 09:30.26 | jaem | DangerMaus, no |
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| 09:30.40 | jaem | unless you're from the future, in which case it would be maybe, but probably not |
| 09:31.42 | odin_ | so best to file a regular feature enchancement request ? |
| 09:31.50 | jaem | odin_, probably, yeah |
| 09:32.13 | jaem | it's a bit more of a picky detail than what Brainstorm's meant for, I think |
| 09:32.18 | jaem | although it is a good idea |
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| 09:33.01 | julianoliver | anyone else been hit by the "wi-fi setup compliant" WPA bug? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6173 |
| 09:33.02 | povbot | Bug 6173: N900 does not connect to WPA PSK (TRENDNet TEW-432BRP) |
| 09:33.41 | julianoliver | that's the one. |
| 09:33.41 | Stskeeps | julianoliver: does itwork when adding network manually? |
| 09:34.00 | julianoliver | Stskeeps: i have yet to check if wpa_supplicant is on board. |
| 09:34.05 | julianoliver | one moment |
| 09:34.52 | julianoliver | looks like i'll need to install it. |
| 09:35.15 | Stskeeps | julianoliver: network manually = in the control panel |
| 09:35.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:35.22 | julianoliver | ahah.. ;) |
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| 09:37.33 | doc|suk|dik | ohaodhn |
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| 09:41.38 | julianoliver | Stskeeps: it seems to associate and then immediately disassociate/deauthenticate. it's an absurdly long key.. will double check. |
| 09:43.28 | odin_ | does "*#06#" not work, for IMEI check ? |
| 09:43.39 | Stskeeps | control panel -> about rodct.. |
| 09:43.41 | Stskeeps | product |
| 09:43.53 | odin_ | ok but what about operater services and such ? |
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| 09:44.47 | Stskeeps | some work |
| 09:47.21 | mece | odin_, someone was whining that operator services didn't work. |
| 09:47.34 | mece | odin_, so I guess they don't |
| 09:48.01 | mece | odin_, all the operator services work with sms here afaik. Never used one of those #*asdf* whatnot thingies. |
| 09:48.03 | Stskeeps | my *500 works |
| 09:48.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:48.17 | mece | Stskeeps, what does that do? |
| 09:49.36 | Stskeeps | pay on the go servicess |
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| 09:50.25 | julianoliver | Stskeeps: no, it seems it authenticates fine and then deauthenticates. is N900/Maemo 5 known to work with WPA Version 1? |
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| 09:50.51 | Stskeeps | julianoliver: duno |
| 09:50.55 | julianoliver | oks |
| 09:52.13 | doc|suk|dik | doc|home sucks dick |
| 09:53.52 | julianoliver | notes that it worked on a 3rd attempt. |
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| 10:01.34 | SpeedEvil | EDINBURGH, GB 30/11/2009 7:46 OUT FOR DELIVERY |
| 10:01.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:01.56 | DangerMaus | yay |
| 10:02.07 | Stskeeps | "NO ANSWER AT DOOR"? |
| 10:02.17 | DangerMaus | haha |
| 10:02.23 | mece | lol |
| 10:02.32 | archebyte | tick tock |
| 10:02.36 | lcuk | "ahhh well, better take it home and see what goodies i have" |
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| 10:02.55 | lcuk | hope theres no preloaded photos of grufty delivery drivers in compromising situations |
| 10:03.12 | derf | My favorite was when I went to check the status of my package, and it said, "DELIVERED". |
| 10:03.24 | derf | And I'd been home all day, and it sure as gekk wasn't delivered to me. |
| 10:04.03 | derf | I'm checking the front stoop, looking around to see if any of the neighbors got it by mistake... |
| 10:04.27 | SpeedEvil | wonders if stoop is a derivation of step. |
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| 10:04.38 | derf | And then like 20 minutes later the UPS guy pulls up. "Yeah, I was just around the corner scanning packages." |
| 10:04.49 | DangerMaus | haha |
| 10:04.51 | SpeedEvil | Ah drivers. |
| 10:05.17 | SpeedEvil | Then again, many are quite badly paid indeed and on ridiculous contracts. |
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| 10:05.57 | DangerMaus | least it didnt fall under the wheels |
| 10:06.31 | RST38h | lost his passport, airplane tickets, and visa this way once |
| 10:06.48 | RST38h | FedEx never even apologized |
| 10:07.02 | DangerMaus | wow |
| 10:07.14 | RST38h | Opened in inquiry, said "we cannot find it", end of story |
| 10:07.48 | DangerMaus | never had an issue with them but one pkg returned ascrtched in a plastic bag geuss it was on the pland that burned on the ground |
| 10:08.04 | DangerMaus | *scortched |
| 10:08.42 | DangerMaus | but i was the shipper and sent another rite off |
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| 10:26.41 | hrw | morning |
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| 10:29.01 | RST38h | hello hrw |
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| 10:51.22 | odin_ | SpeedEvil, mine was shipped from NL by DPD |
| 10:52.44 | range | I'm all for UPS and FedEx doing a merger. And then call themselves FedUp. If you aren't reachable during business hours, those two are the worst to get "service" from. |
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| 10:53.58 | DangerMaus | lol i call ups for a late local pickup and just go into fedex at closing time and they pull it off the truck for me |
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| 10:55.12 | asidjazz | when i leave my n900 alone for a while and then try to use it i get a bunch of memory overload errors |
| 10:56.07 | Venomrush | what sort of apps do you have? |
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| 10:56.12 | lcuk | solution: dont leave it alone |
| 10:56.17 | Venomrush | lol |
| 10:56.19 | mece | ok, is it wrong of me to only have used the xterm on the N900 so far? |
| 10:56.28 | mece | Well actually I did use the app manager to install rootsh and openssh |
| 10:56.48 | mece | right i made a call to see if it worked. it did. |
| 10:56.55 | DocOozePuslhh | hahahah |
| 10:57.00 | DocOozePuslhh | wichser |
| 10:57.17 | DocOozePuslhh | gibs auf und geh nach hause |
| 10:57.27 | DocOozePuslhh | bald kriegste deeinen kugel im kopf |
| 10:57.40 | DocOozePuslhh | leider |
| 10:57.45 | DocOozePuslhh | regierungen |
| 10:57.50 | DocOozePuslhh | die tun son shit |
| 10:57.50 | mikhas | DocOozePuslhh, wrong channel. go somewhere else maybe |
| 10:57.53 | hrw | still no DDP news? |
| 10:57.59 | asidjazz | mece; you lack a computer |
| 10:58.00 | DocOozePuslhh | watch |
| 10:58.05 | DocOozePuslhh | shitheads |
| 10:58.10 | DocOozePuslhh | watch |
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| 10:58.23 | SpeedEvil | range: fortunately - in from 9-5 |
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| 10:58.27 | mece | asidjazz, I have a windows machine here at work :/ |
| 10:59.13 | asidjazz | lol @ DocScrutinizer |
| 10:59.15 | asidjazz | that was odd |
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| 11:00.43 | DangerMaus | mece, install Putty on the win machine? ssh to the n900 |
| 11:00.45 | mece | can one access the notification api from shell? |
| 11:00.54 | mece | DangerMaus, that's what I did. |
| 11:00.57 | lcuk | Stskeeps, whos got @ on here? |
| 11:01.00 | DangerMaus | :) |
| 11:01.40 | mece | DangerMaus, I actually have two friends "over". We created a quick local chat program on the N900 so we're chatting on the N900. |
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| 11:02.03 | DangerMaus | have at yeah! |
| 11:02.30 | mece | DangerMaus, meaning they are logged in on the phone. not actually here. One of them is logged in on the phone from his N900. |
| 11:02.44 | DangerMaus | awsome |
| 11:02.52 | lcuk | andre__, whos op round here nowadays? |
| 11:03.03 | lcuk | thats awake |
| 11:03.04 | mece | DangerMaus, well it's very silly, but yeah. awesome. |
| 11:03.06 | DangerMaus | i cant wait to get mine |
| 11:03.19 | asidjazz | mece: im sure theres a ay |
| 11:03.22 | asidjazz | waY* |
| 11:03.32 | asidjazz | you dhvae to write a triger of some sort |
| 11:03.41 | andre__ | lcuk, shrug |
| 11:04.02 | DangerMaus | mece, whats life wwithout silly fun? |
| 11:04.03 | mece | asidjazz, but can't you directly send a message through it? that would rock. |
| 11:04.15 | mece | DangerMaus, indeed. especially if it's while at work :D |
| 11:04.29 | DangerMaus | aofcourse |
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| 11:04.34 | DangerMaus | *-a |
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| 11:05.33 | asidjazz | you mean use it |
| 11:05.37 | asidjazz | yea fully |
| 11:05.43 | asidjazz | prolly easily documented in the sdk |
| 11:06.07 | DangerMaus | ohwell off to hibernate for a bit.. |
| 11:06.13 | mece | asidjazz, looking aws |
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| 11:07.01 | asidjazz | mece: leme know when ya find it |
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| 11:08.05 | mece | asidjazz, will do. |
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| 11:14.06 | qwerty12 | Christmas present for those of you who like disassembling their phones: http://www.mediafire.com/file/ndmjylkj4wk/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0_q12.rar |
| 11:16.14 | hrw | qwerty12: gracias |
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| 11:17.05 | _berto_ | wow |
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| 11:17.10 | LuciusMare | ohai |
| 11:17.11 | _berto_ | qwerty12: is that supposed to be public? : |
| 11:17.29 | ShadowJK | shush up and download it |
| 11:17.33 | qwerty12 | _berto_: Nope =) |
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| 11:18.04 | qwerty12 | Still looking for the L3&L4 manual; those of you who have it know where to find me |
| 11:18.51 | LuciusMare | aw,nobody from yesterday? :( |
| 11:19.03 | LuciusMare | yay |
| 11:19.12 | LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: o/ |
| 11:19.59 | kirma | finds it interesting that N900 seems to start the gallery application spontanteously |
| 11:20.06 | kirma | done that at least three times already |
| 11:20.58 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 11:21.43 | odin_ | kirma, disable the control panel -> mind reader v3.4 (then it shouldn't keep opening the pr0n) |
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| 11:23.05 | hrw | _berto_: first page says "confidential" |
| 11:23.24 | kirma | timeless: relatively soon after turning the device on it just spontaneously has the photo gallery open with latest photo, and it typically occurs after a while of no usage at all... |
| 11:23.31 | hrw | _berto_: anyway nothing other then disassemle/assemble info inside |
| 11:23.42 | hrw | wants to know where serial/jtag are |
| 11:23.48 | odin_ | clear your mind, clear you rmind |
| 11:24.04 | kirma | I've heard of "interesting" ghost usage on developer devices, like starting of music playback middle of the night for no apparent reason :) |
| 11:24.04 | ShadowJK | it was in L3&L4 for N810 |
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| 11:26.23 | Lynoure | hmm, no luck unraring that. |
| 11:28.02 | julianoliver | kirma: alongside the FM receiver in the N900, Nokia devs saw to it that an EVP and ESP receivers were also in place. oddly enough i can't find the kernel interface to either. |
| 11:28.11 | range | Oh, unraring is no problem, the password the pdf wants to have might be one if you aren't persistent. |
| 11:28.36 | Lynoure | range: it was to me. |
| 11:29.02 | Lynoure | range: unrar -e filename resulted just in unrar help... |
| 11:29.13 | ali1234 | unrar x |
| 11:29.13 | julianoliver | Lynoure: unrar e fileName |
| 11:29.20 | Lynoure | maybe I'm not reading the man page right :/ |
| 11:29.23 | Lynoure | oh, not -e but e |
| 11:29.25 | Lynoure | weird. |
| 11:29.37 | julianoliver | Lynoure: yes, it's stupid. |
| 11:29.39 | range | Yeah, it's rar. So it is weird per se. |
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| 11:30.09 | julianoliver | the whole history of 'urar' is charted with being consciously difficult. |
| 11:30.15 | julianoliver | s/urar/unrar |
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| 11:35.47 | julianoliver | what's a reccommended SIP service in Europe these days? |
| 11:37.13 | Lynoure | Seems despite doing an install of maemo5 sdk as instructed, and installing then esbox, I'm still missing hildonmm.h and gtkmm.h Any idea what I need to install and where to get the includes working? (cannot test right now, different laptop) |
| 11:37.47 | julianoliver | Lynoure: apt-cache search gtkmm dev; apt-cache search hildonmm dev |
| 11:38.27 | Lynoure | julianoliver: that is, everything that comes out as the result? |
| 11:39.23 | Lynoure | julianoliver: some things were explicitely mentioned and I installed them into the scratchbox, but maybe not all... Will check on it after work. |
| 11:40.57 | ccooke | Morning, all |
| 11:41.35 | julianoliver | Lynoure: i'm on my work machine (Debian Lenny). you're probably after: libgtkmm-dev |
| 11:41.51 | julianoliver | not sure with hildonmm - the general rule is "ends with -dev" |
| 11:42.36 | julianoliver | a non-versioned-packagename always represents the latest version. |
| 11:43.14 | Lynoure | julianoliver: they get installed into the scratchbox or to the host itself? (I guess I'm a tad confused) |
| 11:44.01 | Stskeeps | lcuk: GeneralAntilles and such |
| 11:46.04 | Lynoure | when it doubt, "both" I guess and then I'll let debfoster to sort it out later :) |
| 11:46.05 | julianoliver | Lynoure: if you're building against them in scratchbox, then scratchbox is where you want them. |
| 11:46.51 | Lynoure | julianoliver: yup. Thanks. I cannot wait to test whether I'll now get my helloworld |
| 11:47.04 | Lynoure | feels like a 5 year old geek on Christmas Eve. |
| 11:47.18 | julianoliver | yeah it's great stuff, once you get it up and working. |
| 11:47.44 | Lynoure | Unfortunately still daytime job... for another 4.5 days. |
| 11:48.00 | Lynoure | Damn thing keeps messing with my flow =) |
| 11:48.11 | mece | asidjazz, I guess one should just make a simple program that implements libosso and sends argument as string to libosso-osso_system_note_infoprint() |
| 11:48.26 | suihkulokki | Lynoure: which instructions are you following that need gtkmm/hildonmm ? |
| 11:48.51 | julianoliver | Lynoure: tell me about it. i have a heap of X86 development to do. since i was given this phone i've been a tad distracted.. |
| 11:50.43 | Lynoure | suihkulokki: that video thingy... http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Get_started_with_Maemo_5/ |
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| 11:51.25 | Lynoure | suihkulokki: other recommendations of course also welcome, eventually it will most like be qt that I want to use. |
| 11:51.34 | qwerty12 | mece: What type of notification? There's two (at least): http://twitpic.com/k8e51 and http://twitpic.com/k8eeu |
| 11:53.33 | mece | ./qwerty12, well those are the same thing afaik |
| 11:53.42 | mece | lol |
| 11:53.48 | mece | ./ was not intentional :D |
| 11:54.05 | PolarFox | Can't get esbox to start :( |
| 11:54.20 | Lynoure | PolarFox: 9.10 ubuntu? |
| 11:54.25 | PolarFox | Yep :) |
| 11:54.35 | Lynoure | PolarFox: starting it with the esbox.sh instead of just esbox? |
| 11:54.37 | PolarFox | Tried esbox.sh but no luck.. |
| 11:54.53 | Lynoure | PolarFox: oh, then no instant fix from me, sorry. |
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| 11:55.15 | PolarFox | Maybe I should try that "release" version instead of integration :) |
| 11:55.19 | qwerty12 | mece: Hehe, I'd be scared if you had a file called "qwerty12" in $PWD. :P No, one is just a HildonBanner and the other one is achieved with hildon-notify; the e-mail and SMS app use the HildonNotify one |
| 11:55.47 | qwerty12 | tigert: Thanks for the plug =) |
| 11:56.15 | Lynoure | PolarFox: that's the one I played with yesterday. Dunno if it makes a difference or if the cause is something else |
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| 12:00.35 | VDVsx | yawns |
| 12:01.23 | zaheerm | VDVsx, i feel the same :( |
| 12:01.46 | asidjazz | mece: yup |
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| 12:10.37 | mece | qwerty12, does the hildon-notify implement libosso System notification or vice versa. or neither? |
| 12:11.19 | mece | osso_system_note_dialog is the one that requires a click, and the osso_system_note_infoprint is the banner one. |
| 12:11.23 | mece | afaik |
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| 12:17.23 | mece | aaw crap. sdk installer crashed. |
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| 12:21.56 | bnilsen | Anyone else having problems with extras-devel? |
| 12:22.08 | RST38h | moos at VDVsx |
| 12:22.12 | timeless_mbp | bnilsen: regularly |
| 12:22.23 | VDVsx | moos back :) |
| 12:23.49 | bnilsen | timeless_mbp: I get failed to fetch bla bla bla |
| 12:24.00 | bnilsen | timeless_mbp: ...but magically enough.. it just happened to work now! weird |
| 12:24.19 | timeless_mbp | the repositories are regularly corrupting/fixing themselves |
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| 12:24.22 | timeless_mbp | patience is a virtue |
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| 12:24.44 | timeless_mbp | -- that and persistence |
| 12:24.49 | lardman | morning chaps |
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| 12:29.00 | akshay | Hi, I have hosted a project at garage.maemo.org. Now I want to create a project homepage. How do I do that? |
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| 12:30.49 | timeless_mbp | lardman: so, i made a clock db |
| 12:30.56 | timeless_mbp | but it doesn't seem like that db is used directly |
| 12:31.03 | timeless_mbp | at least when someone else tested it, it didn't fix things |
| 12:32.34 | qwerty12 | mece: Never let it be said that I'm not anal-retentive: http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091130-123004.png & http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091130-123014.png |
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| 12:32.57 | lardman | timeless_mbp: strange |
| 12:33.08 | lardman | qwerty12: never |
| 12:33.25 | mikhas | akshay, easiest way? create a wiki page @ wiki.maemo.org |
| 12:33.30 | mikhas | then link to it |
| 12:33.40 | qwerty12 | lardman: *grin* |
| 12:33.47 | lardman | akshay: create a www directory in svn |
| 12:33.50 | lardman | iirc |
| 12:34.08 | mece | qwerty12, thanks! |
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| 12:34.13 | akshay | lardman: I am using GIT |
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| 12:34.29 | mikhas | then you might want to use gitorious anyway =) |
| 12:34.30 | lardman | akshay: ah, well the same may apply, but I don't know in that case, sorry |
| 12:34.34 | mece | qwerty12, also, I never denied your anal-retentiveness |
| 12:34.34 | mikhas | many maemo projects are already tehre |
| 12:34.49 | qwerty12 | mece: Hehe |
| 12:35.21 | akshay | so is it possible using GIT also? I have no experience with versioning systems |
| 12:36.25 | mece | qwerty12, I like the hildon_note_new_information() one. Are they all the kind that goes away automagically after a while? (except the one in the separate picture) |
| 12:37.06 | qwerty12 | mece: hildon_note_new_information requires you to tap outside it to dismiss it |
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| 12:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | asidjazz: huh?? |
| 12:39.04 | lardman | ~lart overly intrusive virus scanners |
| 12:39.04 | infobot | does a little 'dpkg -P overly intrusive virus scanners' action |
| 12:40.09 | lardman | "A program is behaving suspiciously on your computer" blah, well tell me what the hell it's doing! |
| 12:40.11 | lardman | rubbish |
| 12:40.49 | Lynoure | hee. |
| 12:41.46 | LuciusMare | haha |
| 12:41.55 | akshay | mikhas: I have registered on gitorious. How will it help me to create a homepage on garage.maemo ? |
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| 12:42.28 | LuciusMare | Hm |
| 12:42.58 | LuciusMare | Is it possible to make a 'nokia connector>female usb' |
| 12:43.05 | LuciusMare | reduction which would act as usb master? |
| 12:43.51 | lardman | which device? |
| 12:44.22 | lardman | probably easiest to get a full size gender changer and force host mode if you're talking about the N810 |
| 12:44.25 | lardman | that's what I do |
| 12:44.48 | wazd | I'm kinda back again :) |
| 12:45.22 | qwerty12 | says "hi" to a half-wazd |
| 12:45.39 | wazd | qwerty12: o/ |
| 12:45.42 | qwerty12 | lardman: Look at what happens when you talk? |
| 12:46.02 | RST38h | takes "get a full size gender changer and force host mode" out of the context |
| 12:46.05 | lardman | did wazd half vanish? |
| 12:46.07 | RST38h | ehlo wazd |
| 12:46.18 | lardman | RST38h: ;) |
| 12:46.28 | hashier | does anyone know, if the music player sends a signal (eg. via dbus) which track it is currently playing? |
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| 12:46.47 | Venomrush | qwerty12 have you consider changing your name to azerty12? |
| 12:46.59 | RST38h | lardman: Hey, seen Tomaszd's gst stuff? =) |
| 12:47.02 | qwerty12 | Venomrush: But I'm not French! |
| 12:47.22 | wazd | qwerty12: dvorak95 :D |
| 12:47.23 | Venomrush | or even qwertz12 |
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| 12:47.34 | Venomrush | lol |
| 12:47.34 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 12:47.35 | LuciusMare | n900 |
| 12:47.43 | LuciusMare | my connection crashed,sry |
| 12:48.05 | LuciusMare | So,is it possible? |
| 12:48.13 | wazd | fresh vista, mmm |
| 12:48.14 | Venomrush | anyone got hold of service manual level 1 to 4 for the n900 yet? |
| 12:48.29 | RST38h | Yea |
| 12:48.37 | Venomrush | share pls? |
| 12:48.38 | qwerty12 | Venomrush: I posted a link, a sec |
| 12:48.40 | lardman | RST38h: not sure |
| 12:48.50 | qwerty12 | Venomrush: [11:14] <qwerty12> Christmas present for those of you who like disassembling their phones: http://www.mediafire.com/file/ndmjylkj4wk/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0_q12.rar |
| 12:49.00 | RST38h | On page #45, that service manual level 1 says "If the caller is Venomrush, put him on hold indefinitely." |
| 12:49.05 | Venomrush | cheers qwerty12 |
| 12:49.09 | asidjazz | loll |
| 12:49.10 | ShadowJK | not to l4 though? |
| 12:49.19 | Venomrush | that's only level 1+2 |
| 12:49.30 | LuciusMare | what is that for,actually? |
| 12:49.35 | Venomrush | fixing your phone |
| 12:49.35 | qwerty12 | The "1" confused me |
| 12:49.37 | Venomrush | lol |
| 12:49.44 | qwerty12 | >.< |
| 12:49.46 | DocOozePuslhh | but shutting down a donkey-dick sucking american |
| 12:49.47 | DocOozePuslhh | is a nice thing |
| 12:49.52 | qwerty12 | I have the flu; leave me alone! |
| 12:50.06 | Stskeeps | ponders locating a freenode staffer |
| 12:50.07 | lcuk | where do i go to get someone banned |
| 12:50.07 | RST38h | please, SHARE! |
| 12:50.17 | lcuk | i agree Stskeeps |
| 12:50.19 | Venomrush | qwerty12 |
| 12:50.26 | Venomrush | have you got level 3 + 4 |
| 12:50.31 | ShadowJK | i just applied a durasec protector... didn't succeed the first time, second time ended up with shitload od bubbles.. |
| 12:50.31 | qwerty12 | No, sorry |
| 12:50.46 | Venomrush | that's alright, thanks |
| 12:51.35 | qwerty12 | DocOozePuslhh: pupnik, I like you, but if you're gonna troll, at least have the sense to do it behind a proxy |
| 12:51.57 | lardman | qwerty12: got the circuit diagrams anywhere? |
| 12:52.14 | qwerty12 | No, schematics are nowhere to be found on the Internet |
| 12:52.24 | lardman | ah well |
| 12:52.26 | Venomrush | where did u find 1+2? |
| 12:52.29 | lardman | all in good time I'm sure |
| 12:52.30 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091130PD205.html |
| 12:52.31 | Venomrush | did u pay for it? lol |
| 12:52.44 | Venomrush | i found 3+4 but u need to pay to get it |
| 12:52.48 | qwerty12 | Venomrush: In a misnamed torrent =) |
| 12:52.50 | RST38h | Then pay |
| 12:52.55 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no surprises |
| 12:52.59 | SpeedEvil | Ummm.... |
| 12:53.00 | lardman | qwerty12 was expecting pron |
| 12:53.00 | LuciusMare | Hey *waves* |
| 12:53.01 | SpeedEvil | WTF. |
| 12:53.02 | RST38h | Sts: Absolutely |
| 12:53.07 | LuciusMare | What is it actually? |
| 12:53.15 | LuciusMare | Manual level 1,2...? |
| 12:53.16 | SpeedEvil | The nokia transaction for my phone has dissapeared from my bank account. |
| 12:53.20 | asidjazz | lolll |
| 12:53.26 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: but you got the n900 still? |
| 12:53.31 | SpeedEvil | However - UPS still says it's out for delivery |
| 12:53.33 | lardman | RST38h: what gst stuff am I looking for? |
| 12:53.42 | SpeedEvil | And the shop still says 'shipped' |
| 12:53.42 | w00t | SpeedEvil: hahaha. |
| 12:54.02 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: if you get it and you don't get charged, you owe beers |
| 12:54.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:54.04 | DocOozePuslhh | qwerty12: murder is murder |
| 12:54.13 | asidjazz | DocOozePuslhh: what are you german? wtf are you doing in here |
| 12:54.13 | DocOozePuslhh | come here and watch it |
| 12:54.25 | DocOozePuslhh | i will kill some little animals in front of your face |
| 12:54.36 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Indeed - I regret that that is probably unlikely. |
| 12:55.11 | LuciusMare | hello? |
| 12:55.19 | Venomrush | i think the n900 will last me at least 2 years before i need to change phone |
| 12:55.39 | Venomrush | although, next June, new iphone coming out might have slideout keyboard |
| 12:55.40 | Venomrush | lol |
| 12:55.53 | LuciusMare | ... |
| 12:56.04 | LuciusMare | Changing n900 for hw kb iphone? |
| 12:56.10 | asidjazz | lol wat Venomrush |
| 12:56.13 | w00t | haha. |
| 12:56.17 | Venomrush | and finally theyll put 5meg camera in it... |
| 12:56.19 | asidjazz | no way apple will put a kb on that thing |
| 12:56.23 | PolarFox | I'm still trying to figure out how to setup this SDK & Eclipse :) |
| 12:56.29 | asidjazz | it has to look like edible candy |
| 12:56.30 | asidjazz | kb |
| 12:56.30 | RST38h | lardman: Tomaszd compiled MKV, MPEG2 TS, and FLV support for N900, as gst plugins |
| 12:56.34 | asidjazz | kb's are not edible |
| 12:56.38 | RST38h | lardman: Can be found in Extras-Testing |
| 12:56.47 | LuciusMare | Its like changing from hummer to a lowrider |
| 12:57.05 | SpeedEvil | asidjazz: naah - new iphone will have full-size fold-out ASR-33 keyboard. |
| 12:57.18 | lardman | RST38h: ah right, yes I remember now, good stuff |
| 12:57.35 | PolarFox | I'm still waiting for that "Minority Report" interface for phones.. |
| 12:57.40 | LuciusMare | LOL |
| 12:57.47 | LuciusMare | but it would be cool,actually |
| 12:58.01 | glass_ | too much movement of hands |
| 12:58.02 | DocOozePuslhh | i want pure idiocy on n900 screen when user < 16 years old detected |
| 12:58.06 | DocOozePuslhh | random comix |
| 12:58.09 | tigert | qwerty12: :) |
| 12:58.47 | Venomrush | what happen if we post service manual on TMO? |
| 12:58.50 | Venomrush | will we get raped? |
| 12:58.51 | mece | PolarFox, the minority report thing looked arduous. I want brainwave controlled stuff. |
| 12:59.02 | asidjazz | SpeedEvil: how do you know?? |
| 12:59.02 | mece | Venomrush, sounds like a bad idea... |
| 12:59.07 | lardman | Venomrush: I will probably have to remove it |
| 12:59.10 | DocOozePuslhh | we are at the interface between the nuclear bomb of global tyranny, or not, qwerty12 |
| 12:59.13 | qwerty12 | Venomrush: Talk is generally no-warez |
| 12:59.13 | DocOozePuslhh | where |
| 12:59.14 | asidjazz | oh lol asr-33 |
| 12:59.16 | lardman | Venomrush: As it is probaby illegal |
| 12:59.16 | DocOozePuslhh | some |
| 12:59.17 | DocOozePuslhh | over the rainbow |
| 12:59.20 | SpeedEvil | Venomrush: buttorrent! |
| 12:59.30 | SpeedEvil | accepts all DCCs. |
| 12:59.31 | DocOozePuslhh | way up high |
| 12:59.36 | DocOozePuslhh | there's a land |
| 12:59.41 | DocOozePuslhh | that i heard of |
| 12:59.46 | asidjazz | DocOozePuslhh: are u high? |
| 12:59.47 | DocOozePuslhh | once in a lullaby |
| 12:59.47 | Stskeeps | DocOozePuslhh: do us all a favour and take your medication. |
| 12:59.51 | qwerty12 | SpeedEvil: I gave the link twice in this channel (L1&L2) |
| 12:59.59 | PolarFox | mece: You would have to have some serious filtering... I wouldn't let my brain control anything without some filtering.. |
| 13:00.03 | DocOozePuslhh | no i am ready to piss off some ppl |
| 13:00.17 | DocOozePuslhh | this is my day, Stskeeps |
| 13:00.24 | DocOozePuslhh | lets start with pulse |
| 13:00.30 | DocOozePuslhh | and shitcan that pos |
| 13:00.47 | DocOozePuslhh | i'm tired of bad shit |
| 13:00.48 | Venomrush | speedevil: lol |
| 13:00.59 | DocOozePuslhh | just tired |
| 13:01.12 | LuciusMare | could anyone please tell me what are the levels of manuals? |
| 13:01.22 | Venomrush | level 1 + 2 are really basic |
| 13:01.29 | Venomrush | with specs |
| 13:01.36 | Venomrush | 3 + 4 = dismantle the phone |
| 13:01.45 | SpeedEvil | wants level 9! |
| 13:01.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:01.48 | PolarFox | All I get in eclipse is "no build targets selected." .. |
| 13:02.01 | asidjazz | level up! |
| 13:02.04 | LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: also went on my mind |
| 13:02.20 | lardman | well that manual was dissasemble the phone..... |
| 13:02.23 | asidjazz | DocOozePuslhh: if ur lookin to piss ppl off irc aint the place |
| 13:02.25 | LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: if 3-4 is dismantling,oh boy,what is 9? |
| 13:02.31 | lardman | are the l3 and 4 not diagrams of the chip connections? |
| 13:02.50 | SpeedEvil | I would like a complete dump of all chip firmware, and circuit diagrams. |
| 13:02.52 | LuciusMare | how many levels can i achieve in this maemo rpg? |
| 13:02.58 | RST38h | is at the edge of starting to /ignore |
| 13:03.05 | Venomrush | LuciusMare: download N97 Service Manual Level 1 & 2 - 3 & 4, Data Sheet & Schematics here http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n97/28632-n97-service-manual-level-1-2-3-4-data-sheet-schematics.html then you can tell the differences between level 1+2 and 3+4 + schematics |
| 13:03.07 | SpeedEvil | But that seems unlikely. |
| 13:03.08 | julianoliver | the /home/dtc.. DTC == Device Tree Compiler? |
| 13:03.20 | LuciusMare | so there are only 4 levels? |
| 13:03.20 | lcuk | pupnik you fucking lost it. you are not welcome in any of my chans again. |
| 13:03.20 | lardman | SpeedEvil: circult diagrams will come eventually, no firmware dump without your doing it yourself I imagine |
| 13:03.29 | Venomrush | 4 is the highest i believe |
| 13:03.36 | Venomrush | i think after that is schematics |
| 13:03.40 | RST38h | Venomrush: Could you please be ...mmm... less talkative, more legal, and more on the topic? |
| 13:03.57 | PolarFox | I got the esbox-eclipse running... but I can't get that SDK working.. has anyone done this with 64bit ubuntu linux system? :) |
| 13:03.59 | suihkulokki | PolarFox: mail to the esbox mailinglist |
| 13:04.01 | PolarFox | Can this be done :D |
| 13:04.02 | Venomrush | sorry, i'll be more legal |
| 13:04.21 | Venomrush | on Discussion forum on Nokia site |
| 13:04.28 | Venomrush | censored so much |
| 13:04.33 | Venomrush | theyll delete your post even without telling ya |
| 13:04.36 | lcuk | Stskeeps, is it just case of idling in freenode until someone gives voice or is there a different way to get him seen to |
| 13:04.40 | LuciusMare | hm,so in these is the information about system - including the things about how the system works internally? |
| 13:04.48 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: you can message an op |
| 13:04.48 | LuciusMare | And what?that is illegal? |
| 13:04.59 | Venomrush | that or randomly move your post elsewhere |
| 13:05.02 | RST38h | Ok. I got the point. |
| 13:05.03 | DocOozePuslhh | und ich hab dich gar nicht gefickt |
| 13:05.04 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: also IIRC you can talk in channels - and ops only can see your messages. |
| 13:05.05 | Venomrush | where nobody can find it |
| 13:05.09 | lcuk | <<< not irc dude |
| 13:05.24 | Stskeeps | lcuk: poking some people to get him ut .. |
| 13:05.35 | lcuk | ta |
| 13:05.35 | Stskeeps | out, that is |
| 13:05.37 | tigert | hmm |
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| 13:05.40 | RST38h | Ufffff |
| 13:05.43 | tigert | anyone using the fuse + sshfs in n900? |
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| 13:05.49 | tigert | should I run this as root or not? |
| 13:06.11 | tigert | seems like /dev/fuse is only writable by root, and when I chown it, it gets reset on reboot I thin |
| 13:06.11 | Venomrush | ouch, my n900 refuses to unlock |
| 13:06.33 | LuciusMare | And what?that is illegal? |
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| 13:06.48 | Venomrush | just got an incoming text, trying to unlock it to read, after unlock, it got to Desktop and locks itself up again |
| 13:06.49 | Venomrush | wtf |
| 13:07.07 | suihkulokki | tigert: it should work as user, then whoever has packaged it n900 should be notified to fix it |
| 13:07.11 | ShadowJK | wonders if the camera issue is about priority.. |
| 13:07.37 | achipa | sets a personal record, 8h40m for an autobuilder run |
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| 13:07.45 | suihkulokki | PolarFox: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=192 |
| 13:07.46 | tigert | failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 13:07.52 | Khertan | achipa: ouch |
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| 13:08.03 | tigert | suihkulokki: wondering should /dev/fuse be writable by me or am I just doing something wrong? |
| 13:08.04 | qwerty12 | achipa: Weak! Upload WebKit and you'll know the true meaning of pain :p |
| 13:08.06 | ShadowJK | on n810 mplayer/mencoder would have the kernel buffer large amounts of video.. resulting in it being capable of recording 20 secs or so of perfectly smooth video |
| 13:08.09 | tigert | I am not very familiar with sshfs / fuse |
| 13:08.10 | qwerty12 | (Until you get beaten by Qt...) |
| 13:08.20 | ShadowJK | (and it took ages) |
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| 13:08.36 | suihkulokki | tigert: on desktop it is usually writable for group fuse and users are then added to fuse group |
| 13:08.43 | tigert | yeah |
| 13:09.07 | lardman | qwerty12: is Qt that bad....? |
| 13:09.15 | suihkulokki | tigert: for n900 that is not neccessary since there is only one user. it should just be setup to user:users on boot |
| 13:09.21 | DocOozePuslhh | little illegal girl sucking doc| |
| 13:09.21 | achipa | qwerty12: that was with some stuff (webkit incl) disabled - tonight, it will be the full thing, 12h+ expcted :) |
| 13:09.28 | DocOozePuslhh | little illegal girl sucking doc| |
| 13:09.33 | qwerty12 | achipa: :O |
| 13:09.43 | tigert | For this to work the mountpoint must be owned by the user. |
| 13:09.45 | tigert | hmm |
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| 13:10.28 | suihkulokki | tigert: where did you find the sshfs package? |
| 13:10.53 | *** part/#maemo almagest_divine (n=almagest@59.94.107.247) |
| 13:11.01 | LuciusMare | LEAVING SPREE |
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| 13:11.25 | LuciusMare | :( |
| 13:11.29 | LuciusMare | You ruined my punchline |
| 13:12.15 | tigert | suihkulokki: apt-get |
| 13:12.20 | tigert | I guess in extras-devel? |
| 13:12.53 | tigert | or where, dunno |
| 13:12.59 | Shapeshifter | the "dealbreaker" threads get more and more absurd |
| 13:13.03 | tigert | how can I tell with apt where something is? |
| 13:13.18 | Shapeshifter | "Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?" |
| 13:13.46 | glass_ | lack of pirated sw is only because lack of commercial sw |
| 13:13.55 | glass_ | ..to pirate |
| 13:14.02 | qwerty12 | glass_: Exactly =) |
| 13:14.03 | tigert | wtf |
| 13:14.21 | lardman | just package up xchat and say it's pirated ;) |
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| 13:14.36 | lorelei^ | nah, some people are so inclined to pirate sw that they will also pirate opensource/free software :) |
| 13:15.01 | glass_ | lorelei^: i wrote a freeware asteroids clone for s60 v1... found it on warez-irc bots later |
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| 13:15.40 | lardman | ~curse either VB or MATLAB for not wanting to talk to one another |
| 13:15.41 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, either VB or MATLAB for not wanting to talk to one another ! |
| 13:16.00 | tigert | lorelei^: there used to be several versions of Gimp sold as packaged versions |
| 13:16.12 | tigert | in a way this is ok and allowed, but they tried to hide the fact gimp was also free |
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| 13:16.27 | tigert | so it was like $39,90 super deal photoshop killer! |
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| 13:16.57 | tigert | suihkulokki: looks like extras-devel has it |
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| 13:17.21 | tigert | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/s/sshfs-fuse/ |
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| 13:17.56 | lorelei^ | tigert: yes, that's true |
| 13:18.22 | lorelei^ | but there it's not really pirating opens ource sw...more like taking advantage of the license... |
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| 13:18.28 | tigert | yeah |
| 13:18.32 | tigert | true, like I said |
| 13:18.39 | Shapeshifter | it might actually be that when people pay something for software they're more inclined to actually learn it and feel good about using it, and defend it against others |
| 13:18.58 | Stskeeps | lorelei^: technically you can pirate open source software by only providing binaries or remove copyright headers :P |
| 13:19.05 | Shapeshifter | like, say they paid 40 bucks for gimp, that means they've spent money on it, which motivates them to not let that money go to waste |
| 13:19.27 | Shapeshifter | like, "if it's free, it's probably rubbish" |
| 13:19.31 | SpeedEvil | Also - if there is a decent non-free tutorial, support, or other stuff. |
| 13:19.32 | Shapeshifter | which no doubt some people believe |
| 13:20.47 | LuciusMare | Which is stupid |
| 13:20.56 | LuciusMare | To defend a piece of software just because you cant take it back |
| 13:21.05 | wazd_ | wow, I have 13.7 Gb of something on desktop :) |
| 13:21.09 | LuciusMare | brb,going to get something to eat |
| 13:21.13 | LuciusMare | i mean,get some tea |
| 13:21.14 | julianoliver | Shapeshifter: yes, this is a fair theory. people will tend to invest time in software relative to the cost of the software itself. |
| 13:21.17 | LuciusMare | wazd_: pron? |
| 13:21.23 | qwerty12 | wazd_: Wow, where did you find a torrent with so much porn? |
| 13:21.36 | LuciusMare | qwerty12: his personal fap archive |
| 13:21.41 | julianoliver | Shapeshifter: it's a fundament of the logic of consumption in a capital economy. |
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| 13:21.52 | glass_ | siterip pron torrents can be much bigger |
| 13:22.07 | wazd_ | pron on the desktop, are you mad? :D |
| 13:22.24 | qwerty12 | LuciusMare: I don't want to know... |
| 13:22.25 | glass_ | possibly |
| 13:23.09 | lardman | qwerty12: because you already do? ;) |
| 13:23.25 | wazd_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuYDSa4BRaw |
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| 13:23.32 | wazd_ | oh my, that's awesome :) |
| 13:23.34 | julianoliver | Shapeshifter: anyway, the GIMP is not a good case: there is so much troubling this application before the value of free even comes into play. |
| 13:23.36 | qwerty12 | lardman: I leant from the master *nudge* *nudge* lardman |
| 13:23.57 | lardman | heh |
| 13:24.17 | mece1 | garage seems a tad "stressed"... |
| 13:24.53 | lardman | all the maemo.org servers still seem to be |
| 13:26.01 | lardman | kicks himself for forgetting to accept the connection |
| 13:28.34 | lardman | finally, it works, praise be to the FSM! |
| 13:28.55 | qwerty12 | Yoou called, laardman? |
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| 13:29.31 | lardman | spaghetti in human form, qwerty12 |
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| 13:29.58 | LuciusMare | turns of that flood ping he had set |
| 13:30.11 | LuciusMare | just...tried something... |
| 13:32.05 | LuciusMare | kidding of course |
| 13:32.09 | LuciusMare | hasnt been something released? |
| 13:32.21 | LuciusMare | or something that would give a lot of users reason to visit maemo.org? |
| 13:32.51 | Stskeeps | well, the n900 hapened |
| 13:32.52 | zaheerm | how do update a dep of something in extras, does the normal promotion rules apply? |
| 13:33.09 | zaheerm | needs to push something urgent |
| 13:33.14 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 13:33.21 | timeless_mbp | so, i don't get this clock thing |
| 13:33.31 | timeless_mbp | afaict cityinfo really does use this clock db |
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| 13:41.24 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 13:41.31 | timeless_mbp | ok, so the database is definitely kinda used |
| 13:41.40 | timeless_mbp | i can move the timezone for seychelles from +11 to +$ |
| 13:41.42 | timeless_mbp | +4 |
| 13:41.43 | tigert | woot |
| 13:41.50 | tigert | running Dropbox via hack in N900 :) |
| 13:42.03 | tigert | dropbox runs in my server now, and then I access it with sshfs |
| 13:42.06 | tigert | neato |
| 13:42.06 | timeless_mbp | tigert: you're using fiFI right? |
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| 13:42.19 | tigert | say again? |
| 13:42.43 | timeless_mbp | language/region |
| 13:42.46 | qwerty12 | Finnish locale |
| 13:42.52 | tigert | enFI |
| 13:42.59 | tigert | english lang, finnish region |
| 13:43.10 | tigert | less context switching :) |
| 13:43.11 | timeless_mbp | you local atm? |
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| 13:45.03 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 13:45.08 | timeless_mbp | this code is .... |
| 13:45.39 | Stskeeps | having fun with libcityinfo? |
| 13:46.07 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: have you read it? |
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| 13:46.53 | timeless_mbp | is vaguely trying to understand why it has two distinct coordinate spaces |
| 13:47.02 | SpeedEvil | Woo! Free n900. |
| 13:47.13 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: for traveling to bcn? |
| 13:47.18 | SpeedEvil | (I suspect they will still actually want money) |
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| 13:47.38 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: no - they've somehow cancelled the earlier transaction with my bank |
| 13:47.45 | qwerty12 | SpeedEvil: They want blood |
| 13:47.51 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libcityinfo/cityinfo_8h.html#fca873e9e8b91ac84cc3b010316e3497 |
| 13:48.05 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hypothetically, that function is garbage |
| 13:48.36 | timeless_mbp | i mean, it will kill you if you happen to run out of file handles |
| 13:49.00 | timeless_mbp | which is sad, given that historically during fremantle development, there was a rather extended period of time when we were short on file handles.. |
| 13:49.08 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: libcityinfo would be better off being a sqlite database.. |
| 13:49.21 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 13:49.24 | timeless_mbp | i don't mind the flat file |
| 13:49.38 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: and the fact it's closed source and that the api looks embarassing.. |
| 13:49.40 | timeless_mbp | it'd be better if the city names were not stored as localizblae strings |
| 13:49.50 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: the impl is worse than the api :) |
| 13:49.51 | Stskeeps | and bugs.. :P |
| 13:49.59 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i can only imagine |
| 13:50.07 | timeless_mbp | can't you choose not to imagine? |
| 13:50.10 | timeless_mbp | baits Stskeeps |
| 13:50.18 | timeless_mbp | you know you want to see my horror ;-) |
| 13:51.19 | julianoliver | speaking of Horror, 'Paranormal Activity' was really awful and silly. |
| 13:51.22 | Stskeeps | i have a headache already and i don't feel like crying over bad code :P |
| 13:51.43 | w00t | bad code is fun |
| 13:52.09 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 13:52.12 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: as a starting point |
| 13:52.22 | timeless_mbp | the fact that the api doesn't let you convert from lat-lng to x-y is um... |
| 13:52.24 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 13:52.34 | w00t | dotty? |
| 13:52.39 | w00t | ducks |
| 13:52.43 | timeless_mbp | that's one way to describe it :) |
| 13:52.48 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i am more worried the API deals with methods related to a certaing png representation of the earth |
| 13:52.59 | timeless_mbp | oh really? |
| 13:53.05 | timeless_mbp | what could possibly have given you that impression? :) |
| 13:53.11 | w00t | .. |
| 13:53.20 | timeless_mbp | nah, don't worry. it's a certainty :) |
| 13:53.31 | Stskeeps | 'Get x position of the city on the map. |
| 13:53.41 | Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libcityinfo/cityinfo_8c.html |
| 13:53.44 | timeless_mbp | decides to try to move winnipeg north |
| 13:53.57 | ShadowJK | this is closed source because it'd be too embarassing, right? |
| 13:54.06 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i sure hope that's the justification |
| 13:54.19 | timeless_mbp | i happen to like how we have a city named harford |
| 13:54.26 | timeless_mbp | because the extra mandatory t was too expensive... |
| 13:54.58 | timeless_mbp | ok, so... i'm open to suggestions |
| 13:55.09 | timeless_mbp | anyone want to guess how i should change the coords of winnipeg to move it north? :) |
| 13:55.10 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i'm thinking of motivating someone to write a open implementation of libcityinfo |
| 13:55.40 | timeless_mbp | one that doesn't suck? |
| 13:55.49 | timeless_mbp | with the missing api functions too? |
| 13:55.51 | ShadowJK | Just find some python guy and he'll make it extract city locations from wikipedia ;-) |
| 13:56.05 | Stskeeps | the issue is however if API documentation is non-open or not |
| 13:56.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:56.07 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: 30EUR via paypal to the person who does it |
| 13:56.22 | timeless_mbp | (seriously, ask around, i'm good for it) |
| 13:56.32 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i don't doubt it |
| 13:57.07 | Stskeeps | position on the map*. *) positions on the map are in relative coordinates (0.0 - most left/top to 1.0 most right/bottom) and are synchronized with Clock's world map image. |
| 13:57.31 | timeless_mbp | ok, so what, i should open the map image in an image editor to get its dimensions |
| 13:57.39 | lardman | that's bad, would be far better to have the map itself do the conversion |
| 13:57.44 | timeless_mbp | and then multiply the coords by the dimensions to get rough pixels? |
| 13:57.47 | lardman | though at least the lat lon are also contained in there |
| 13:57.50 | timeless_mbp | lardman: oh really? |
| 13:57.58 | timeless_mbp | you mean have a reasonably sane design? |
| 13:58.02 | timeless_mbp | why would that be good? |
| 13:58.09 | lbt_ | imagines the map image is 1:1 at 96dpi |
| 13:59.39 | lardman | well as it is there's random useless data in there, useless for anyone else who wants to use the db |
| 13:59.41 | lardman | 'db' |
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| 13:59.59 | timeless_mbp | lardman: sorry, please note that i'm dripping with sarcasm |
| 14:00.08 | lardman | :) |
| 14:00.15 | timeless_mbp | to say this was designed poorly is such an understatement |
| 14:00.18 | lardman | sorry, not feeling too hot, missed the sacrasm bit |
| 14:01.01 | timeless_mbp | the spelling is also embarrassing |
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| 14:01.20 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: please save me some effort, where's the map? |
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| 14:02.33 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i think in osso-icons or the theme |
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| 14:03.56 | timeless_mbp | finds the map filename |
| 14:03.59 | timeless_mbp | it's a jpg not a png |
| 14:04.02 | qwerty12_N900 | Hiya, fiferboy, long time no see! How's fiferbaby 2.0? |
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| 14:07.01 | Damnshock | hi everybody |
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| 14:08.30 | PolarFox | 64bit systems don't go well with maemo development. /me is ready to kill someone :) |
| 14:08.42 | ccooke | PolarFox: VMs |
| 14:08.55 | Venomrush | Vagalume: Last.fm client for Gnome and Maemo |
| 14:09.02 | Venomrush | apparently going to be out soon |
| 14:09.04 | ccooke | you can run a 32-bit VM on a 64-bit system |
| 14:09.33 | PolarFox | Ok.. I'll install ubuntu on virtualbox and try that one :) |
| 14:10.27 | Veggen | Also possible to get it to work with a 32bit chroot. |
| 14:10.33 | ccooke | depending on the dev work you need, there are VMs of the SDK around, too |
| 14:10.50 | Veggen | I keep a 32bit chroot around for all the problem-applications around there. |
| 14:11.06 | Veggen | but VM is probably easier. |
| 14:11.41 | Veggen | ...chroot is lighter on the machine of you have an old machine (and/or one without virtualization features in the processor) |
| 14:11.44 | PolarFox | and I can move VM images around with me. |
| 14:12.07 | hrw | PolarFox: grab official maemosdk vm image |
| 14:12.18 | PolarFox | hrw: Isn't it HUGE? :) |
| 14:12.26 | ccooke | Hell, you can stick the VM image onto the n[89][01]0 and mount it from there ;-) |
| 14:12.48 | achipa | city lat lon ? if you just need that, http://geolite.maxmind.com/download/worldcities/ |
| 14:17.32 | Khertan | hrw: the problem isn't storing ... but retriving it ... i've tryed 25 times ... each times checksum failed |
| 14:17.56 | Khertan | and i ve tryed 5 times at works with a pretty good and stable network connection |
| 14:18.13 | Khertan | if only it will be available by torrent |
| 14:18.30 | hrw | PolarFox: -rw-r--r-- 1 hrw hrw 9,8G 11-24 13:55 maemosdk_desktop_intrepid-10-08.vmdk |
| 14:18.44 | Khertan | is discovering libre.fm |
| 14:18.45 | hrw | Khertan: I fetched it from home on first try |
| 14:18.50 | Khertan | grrrr |
| 14:19.12 | Khertan | but it s depends on akaima "!#~#{ cache server |
| 14:19.28 | *** mode/#maemo [+o GeneralAntilles] by ChanServ |
| 14:19.32 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by GeneralAntilles |
| 14:19.39 | *** mode/#maemo [-o GeneralAntilles] by GeneralAntilles |
| 14:19.42 | GeneralAntilles | Deputized. |
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| 14:19.58 | w00t | ./` I shot the sheriff.. ./` |
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| 14:28.30 | achipa | ./`... but I did not compile the dependencies... ./` |
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| 14:29.20 | Ford_Prefect | rotfl! |
| 14:29.38 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, ping |
| 14:29.52 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Hiya |
| 14:30.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'm in favor of moderators editing messages of people who recommend Red Pill. |
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| 14:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | That, or anybody who does and causes somebody else to throw their device into a boot loop has to buy them a new one. |
| 14:30.39 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, is transmission ready for extras ? got promote by mistake in a test :) |
| 14:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | Venomrush, please don't recommend Red Pill in the future. :) |
| 14:31.08 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: You promoted it?! |
| 14:31.14 | mikhas | recommend the blue pill instead? |
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| 14:31.36 | zaheerm | VDVsx, it will be removed once a 30 second video of how to download a pirated nintendo rom from bittorrent happens |
| 14:31.48 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, not me, I don't have permissions for that |
| 14:31.49 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: too late ... already many blogs talk about it |
| 14:32.26 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, should it be removed ? it's your call :P |
| 14:32.26 | Khertan | zaheerm: lol |
| 14:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, idiocy. |
| 14:32.37 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Ah, I'm deferring promoting... It has its problems, still |
| 14:32.38 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: yep what i said in comment |
| 14:32.43 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Yes, please |
| 14:32.50 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, thanks |
| 14:33.02 | Khertan | did you want a proxy for faking ratio torrent ? :) |
| 14:33.25 | qwerty12_N900 | evilKhertan: I like how you think =) |
| 14:34.06 | GAN900 | Khertan, can we get a list of the blogs so we can inform them of why that's such a terrible idea? |
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| 14:36.01 | timeless_mbp | victory |
| 14:36.03 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: http://www.maemofrance.fr/, |
| 14:36.09 | timeless_mbp | Winnipeg has moved to roughly... winniepg |
| 14:36.12 | timeless_mbp | s/epg/peg/ |
| 14:36.37 | Khertan | http://www.themaemo.com/ |
| 14:37.08 | range | *facepalm* |
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| 14:38.07 | Shapeshifter | "2g" is edge, right? |
| 14:38.14 | qwerty12_N900 | The plan is to get it removed in Maemo 6, right? If so, I wonder how all these bloggers will feel like... OMG I CANT BLOG ABOUT UBER MAEMO 6 HACK |
| 14:38.24 | VDVsx | zaheerm, zoutube will be removed as too, once a 30 seconds video showing zoutube playing another 30 seconds video of a nintendo game in a n900 happens :D |
| 14:38.43 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: i doubt even HAM will exist in m6 |
| 14:39.00 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: Oh, wow, miracles do happpen |
| 14:39.01 | zaheerm | VDVsx, awesome idea :) |
| 14:39.01 | qwerty12_N900 | -p |
| 14:39.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: probably replaced by Ovi Megastore or something.. |
| 14:39.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:39.40 | VDVsx | megastore, lol |
| 14:39.42 | timeless_mbp | ok, moving Guam, USA to somewhere near alaska protects alaska from the evil canadian invaders :) |
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| 14:39.47 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: Heh, wouldn't put it past them... |
| 14:42.35 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, only way users can get to Extras is through an Ovi proxy that requires users to mail in a signed warranty waiver? ;) |
| 14:42.55 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm starting to be more and more for a non-ovi app store |
| 14:43.07 | Stskeeps | should be trivial to implement |
| 14:43.34 | Venomrush | has anyone got the "Operation temporarilly disabled due to low memory" error before? |
| 14:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | Ovi is a mess |
| 14:43.39 | Venomrush | i wasn't doing anything |
| 14:43.42 | Venomrush | device was locked |
| 14:43.43 | GeneralAntilles | I can't believe it got billed over h-a-m in the menu. |
| 14:43.45 | ShadowJK | Shapeshifter: I think it says 2.5g on n900 in edge |
| 14:43.48 | qwerty12_N900 | "I declare allegiance to the Ovi Store..." |
| 14:43.49 | Venomrush | had a webpage and an email opened |
| 14:43.50 | viq | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/30/0359216/Augmented-Reality-and-Privacy |
| 14:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | Venomrush, probably shouldn't be playing with Red Pill. |
| 14:44.03 | Venomrush | i wasn't playing with Red Pill |
| 14:44.05 | bilboed-pi | wouldn't mind finding again the people interested in writing a video editor |
| 14:44.10 | Venomrush | i don't even have devel repo |
| 14:44.16 | archebyte | Venomrush: any new widget installed? |
| 14:44.21 | Venomrush | or installed anything |
| 14:44.22 | Venomrush | nope |
| 14:44.32 | Venomrush | i think there's a memory leak somewhere |
| 14:44.39 | zaheerm | bilboed-pi, dmj726 wanted to |
| 14:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | What does htop say? |
| 14:44.41 | Venomrush | with the main applications or the OS itself |
| 14:44.54 | bilboed-pi | zaheerm, right, but he's not online |
| 14:44.55 | archebyte | the new systeminforwidget will eat memory till there is no more :) |
| 14:45.11 | qwerty12_N900 | archebyte: Ah, it's that? Thanks! |
| 14:45.16 | Venomrush | I have the following: |
| 14:45.17 | Venomrush | Recorder |
| 14:45.17 | Venomrush | Hermes |
| 14:45.17 | Venomrush | Quik |
| 14:45.17 | Venomrush | Bounce |
| 14:45.17 | Venomrush | Sheet to go |
| 14:45.19 | Venomrush | Slideshow To Go |
| 14:45.21 | Venomrush | Word To Go |
| 14:45.23 | Venomrush | Mauku |
| 14:45.25 | Venomrush | iNES |
| 14:45.27 | Venomrush | VGB |
| 14:45.28 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, you can have something like this, hihih: http://androidandme.com/2009/11/applications/mikandi-launches-first-adult-application-store-for-android/ |
| 14:45.29 | Venomrush | VGBA |
| 14:45.31 | Venomrush | eCoach |
| 14:45.33 | Venomrush | Gonvert |
| 14:45.35 | Venomrush | ATI85 |
| 14:45.36 | GeneralAntilles | ~pastebin |
| 14:45.37 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 14:45.37 | Venomrush | Mirror |
| 14:45.37 | zaheerm | bilboed-pi, the other people were (me for bringing it up in the UX meets code) |
| 14:45.39 | Venomrush | FM Radio |
| 14:45.41 | Venomrush | MasterGear |
| 14:45.43 | Venomrush | Xournal |
| 14:45.44 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: You can make the first vibrator app |
| 14:45.45 | Venomrush | Location Test |
| 14:45.47 | Venomrush | Crash Reporter |
| 14:45.47 | qwerty12_N900 | Jeez... |
| 14:45.49 | Venomrush | On Desktop, there are the following that needs Web connection: |
| 14:45.51 | Venomrush | Facebook widget |
| 14:45.52 | VDVsx | stop |
| 14:45.53 | Venomrush | RSS widget |
| 14:45.54 | *** mode/#maemo [+o GeneralAntilles] by ChanServ |
| 14:45.58 | Khertan | STOP ! |
| 14:46.01 | bilboed-pi | smells kick |
| 14:46.04 | archebyte | oh boy |
| 14:46.07 | qwerty12_N900 | ...it's hammertime! |
| 14:46.08 | Venomrush | Crap there's another same error |
| 14:46.09 | *** mode/#maemo [-o GeneralAntilles] by GeneralAntilles |
| 14:46.20 | zaheerm | Veggen, |
| 14:46.24 | GeneralAntilles | Venomrush, don't paste things longer than 3 lines into the chat window, thanks. |
| 14:46.29 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: who else is deputized in here btw? |
| 14:46.31 | Khertan | Venomrush: flash it ill be faster |
| 14:46.34 | GeneralAntilles | Venomrush, use a pastebin so you don't flood the channel. |
| 14:46.43 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: pupnik went a bit overboard in racist slurs earlier so :P |
| 14:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, X-Fade and Jaffa have access, nobody else is opped. |
| 14:46.56 | archebyte | Venomrush: it is hard to do anything when that error comes up.. best to re-plug the battery.. |
| 14:46.57 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 14:47.08 | Venomrush | archebyte: systeminfo widget? |
| 14:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I kicked him around 2 AM my time and had a chat with him about it. |
| 14:47.10 | bilboed-pi | zaheerm, you were saying ? |
| 14:47.20 | archebyte | Venomrush yes |
| 14:47.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ah, i was offline there |
| 14:47.36 | lopz | hi ^>^ |
| 14:47.38 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: He had 20l of drink... No excuse, though, I know |
| 14:47.58 | zaheerm | bilboed-pi, the other people were me for bringing it up in the UX meets code discussion, and a few people on that thread that liked the idea |
| 14:48.00 | *** mode/#maemo [+o VDVsx] by ChanServ |
| 14:48.03 | Venomrush | archebyte: do you mean the load-applet? |
| 14:48.12 | VDVsx | :D |
| 14:48.19 | zaheerm | bilboed-pi, personally i'd be a big user to fix my really badly created videos into youtube uploadable material ;) |
| 14:48.26 | bilboed-pi | zaheerm, :) |
| 14:48.51 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I've access too |
| 14:48.51 | SpeedEvil | zaheerm: err - you're missing the point. |
| 14:48.56 | archebyte | Venomrush: no.. systeminfowidget debuted into extras-testing yesterday.. |
| 14:49.04 | *** mode/#maemo [-o VDVsx] by VDVsx |
| 14:49.04 | SpeedEvil | zaheerm: it's gotta be badly created or it's not according to youtubes TOS. |
| 14:49.04 | zaheerm | SpeedEvil, which point? |
| 14:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | . . . and VDVsx. |
| 14:49.10 | zaheerm | SpeedEvil, :P |
| 14:49.11 | bilboed-pi | SpeedEvil, :) |
| 14:49.16 | qwerty12_N900 | lol: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=400696&postcount=83 |
| 14:49.30 | Venomrush | archebyte: ah, i don't have that, just the load-applet |
| 14:49.31 | zaheerm | s/youtube/other more professional video hosting site/ |
| 14:49.59 | Venomrush | so systeminfowidget has memory leak? why shud be kick down to devel |
| 14:50.07 | Venomrush | *it shud be kick down to devel |
| 14:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, rcadden. |
| 14:50.19 | qwerty12_N900 | Venomrush: It's only found in -devel |
| 14:50.33 | Venomrush | someone just said it's in extras-testing |
| 14:50.40 | qwerty12_N900 | Is it? |
| 14:50.42 | qwerty12_N900 | Hmm |
| 14:50.43 | Venomrush | yeah |
| 14:50.46 | archebyte | Venomrush: yes.. |
| 14:50.47 | Venomrush | apparently since yesterday |
| 14:50.55 | qwerty12_N900 | I can confirm a memory leak |
| 14:51.16 | Venomrush | in systeminfowidget ? |
| 14:51.31 | qwerty12_N900 | Yeah |
| 14:52.28 | archebyte | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6442 |
| 14:52.29 | povbot | Bug 6442: Memory leaks cause device to run out of memory |
| 14:52.44 | qwerty12_N900 | Isn't that a given? =) |
| 14:54.48 | Venomrush | :D |
| 14:55.01 | derf | The expected behavior is a magical device with infinite memory. |
| 14:55.09 | Venomrush | btw, i don't even have systeminfowidget |
| 14:55.36 | Venomrush | still got those nasty memory errors |
| 14:55.36 | jaska | infinite tape?:) |
| 14:55.51 | archebyte | Venomrush: I don't think there's a way out.. can you ssh into it? |
| 14:56.08 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to turn off autocomplete? |
| 14:56.28 | Venomrush | i dont even know how to ssh :) |
| 14:56.30 | SpeedEvil | I was entering my wifi password, and the normal behaviour - show char entered for a moment, then blank it - was sane. |
| 14:56.44 | qwerty12_N900 | archebyte: For systeminfowidget ones: ctrl+shift+x and killall hildon-home allowed me to start up apps again |
| 14:56.44 | Venomrush | to find any meaning info |
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| 14:56.56 | qwerty12_N900 | SpeedEvil: Text input settings in the control panel |
| 14:57.07 | SpeedEvil | Then it came up with some autosuggestions - and those came up, and were instantly *'d out - including the letter I was entering |
| 14:57.31 | archebyte | qwerty12_N900: in my case, the shortcut wouldn't register.. had to replug the battery |
| 14:57.46 | qwerty12_N900 | Ouch :\ |
| 14:57.47 | Venomrush | although i noticed this error for the first time after i installed Crash Reporter & Location-Test-GUI |
| 14:57.57 | Venomrush | i installed those 2 last night |
| 14:58.03 | Venomrush | got the memory error today |
| 14:58.04 | Venomrush | before that |
| 14:58.08 | Venomrush | 3 days straight |
| 14:58.09 | Venomrush | nothing |
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| 15:13.14 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N900: Hey, back at work after my "vacation" |
| 15:13.30 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N900: fiferbaby-2.0 is very good, but keeping us busy |
| 15:13.56 | qwerty12_N900 | Hehe, congrats |
| 15:15.32 | SpeedEvil | Is there anything special I need to do to get GPS working? I go to maps, and the sat dish appears with a red line through it even for some minutes outside under a clear sky |
| 15:15.50 | SpeedEvil | Is it required to use a phone internet connection? |
| 15:15.56 | jaem | nope |
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| 15:16.09 | jaem | I've used it just fine with wifi |
| 15:16.12 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Maybe it's upset I haven't set the time. |
| 15:16.24 | jaem | let me check something |
| 15:17.16 | jaem | hmm... well, it looks like A-GPS might require a cell connection |
| 15:17.21 | jaem | not sure, but try turning that off |
| 15:17.32 | jaem | it gets a lock quickly enough anyway, if you're standing still |
| 15:18.01 | SpeedEvil | turning what off? |
| 15:18.04 | jaem | much better than the N810, and subsequent times-to-lock nearby in space-time are much quicker |
| 15:18.28 | jaem | Settings -> GPS -> Use A-GPS and Reverse-Geocoding |
| 15:18.38 | jaem | uncheck it, and try again |
| 15:18.40 | jaem | just a thought |
| 15:21.58 | lardman | jaem: without cell data it's very slow |
| 15:22.04 | lardman | try it with no SIM card for example |
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| 15:22.29 | jaem | lardman, I have, although maybe my opinion is skewed by how terrible the N810's time-to-lock was :P |
| 15:22.42 | lardman | well it wouldn't lock for me at all without a sim |
| 15:22.48 | lardman | and yeah n810 was also terrible |
| 15:22.53 | jaem | that said, once I got an initial fix a few days ago, it locked quite quickly later that day |
| 15:22.57 | jaem | repeatedly |
| 15:22.59 | jaem | huh |
| 15:23.00 | lardman | no sim? |
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| 15:23.04 | jaem | nope |
| 15:23.07 | jaem | just wifi |
| 15:23.10 | qwerty12_N900 | jaem: To be fair, without a sim, the N900's GPS can be compared to the N810's one in that regard :p |
| 15:23.26 | jaem | I did notice that it takes forever to get a lock if you're moving |
| 15:23.27 | lardman | though how it obtains its initial location I don't know |
| 15:23.35 | jaem | but standing still, it was reasonably quick |
| 15:23.42 | lardman | perhaps it uses more advanced agps and lets the supld server work out where it is? |
| 15:23.47 | jaem | for some value of "reasonably" |
| 15:23.48 | derf | jaem: Most GPS devices work like that, AFAIK. |
| 15:23.56 | jaem | derf, yeah, I figured |
| 15:24.12 | derf | lardman: You were able to update the qemu scratchbox uses, right? |
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| 15:24.35 | lardman | derf: yep, works fine now |
| 15:24.49 | derf | lardman: Any pointers to how you did it? |
| 15:24.51 | lardman | though not for Qt building for Diablo still |
| 15:24.55 | lardman | derf: hmm |
| 15:25.09 | lardman | derf: install all the diablo stuff bar the scratchbox-libs|core |
| 15:25.10 | SpeedEvil | Ok - that's somewhat concerning. |
| 15:25.18 | SpeedEvil | ~3 min, and no lock. |
| 15:25.34 | SpeedEvil | Too cold for longer. |
| 15:25.38 | lardman | derf: then in fremantle sb, do sb-menu and setup a new target using the old toolchain, and old devkits |
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| 15:26.42 | derf | Can I just use my existing old target? |
| 15:26.43 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: A new target is a bit excessive; why not edit your normal target's config and switch when needed? |
| 15:26.53 | lardman | derf: copy it across? |
| 15:26.56 | lardman | no idea |
| 15:27.10 | lardman | I just set up a new one |
| 15:27.10 | bakarat | gah, don't know whether or not to buy the n900, it's rather expensive and it may be obsolete in a year... |
| 15:27.11 | jaem | lardman, qwerty12_N900, why the new qemu? |
| 15:27.11 | derf | I mean, I've got like 5 targets sitting around. |
| 15:27.12 | lardman | yeah same here |
| 15:27.20 | derf | But anyway, go on. |
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| 15:27.34 | lardman | jaem: old one doens't do all the instructions Qt seems to use |
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| 15:28.06 | qwerty12_N900 | jaem: I haven't needed to use one for Fremantle, but in Diablo, I used one to sort out some Python issues (mainly vanity related ones) |
| 15:28.08 | lardman | derf: home is then shared by all your targets, so I just copied the files from my diablo home to a sub dir in my main (fremantle) sb home and away I go |
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| 15:28.52 | lardman | jaem: not new anyway, just want to use fremantle qemu for diablo building |
| 15:28.55 | derf | Okay, I missed the part where the new qemu got installed. |
| 15:29.14 | lardman | well I installed the Fremantle SDK, then I'm adding Diablo stuff to that |
| 15:29.16 | lardman | sorry |
| 15:29.31 | LuciusMare | hello i downloaded this image: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/vpc-sdk/ - any way how to tell if the step 3 went good? At first it told me an error,and now i let it run and it disappeared so i am not sure |
| 15:29.48 | derf | Diablo's qemu was newer? |
| 15:30.04 | derf | That doesn't make any sense. |
| 15:30.43 | lardman | no, I'm installing Diablo devkits and compiler in Fremantle sb (which includes the newer qemu) |
| 15:30.51 | derf | Ah! |
| 15:30.54 | lardman | :) |
| 15:31.00 | derf | No, I want something newer than Fremantle's. |
| 15:31.04 | lardman | oh I see |
| 15:31.13 | lardman | I don't know then, sorry |
| 15:31.18 | lardman | bbiab |
| 15:31.19 | derf | Well, thanks anyway. |
| 15:31.22 | lardman | np |
| 15:32.16 | LuciusMare | i guess it didn't go well,i have a terminalfull of errors :( |
| 15:32.31 | jaem | LuciusMare, is there a reason you couldn't use the VMWare images? |
| 15:32.35 | jaem | I've had good luck with them |
| 15:32.39 | LuciusMare | segfaults,core dumps,uncaught exceptions |
| 15:32.42 | LuciusMare | jaem: i AM using them |
| 15:32.43 | jaem | yikes |
| 15:33.03 | jaem | LuciusMare, I meant these: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 15:33.25 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 15:33.37 | jaem | that's what I'd advise using |
| 15:33.52 | LuciusMare | diablo is 5? |
| 15:33.55 | jaem | nope |
| 15:34.01 | jaem | diablo is 4 |
| 15:34.07 | jaem | fremantle is maemo 5 |
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| 15:34.16 | LuciusMare | there is no fremantle :( |
| 15:34.20 | jaem | these images should include the SDK for both |
| 15:34.28 | jaem | here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 15:34.38 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 15:34.40 | LuciusMare | nvm |
| 15:34.41 | jaem | read the agreement and click through |
| 15:34.44 | LuciusMare | i didnt see it |
| 15:34.46 | jaem | then decide which image you want |
| 15:34.54 | jaem | Server gets you a command line install |
| 15:35.00 | jaem | Desktop gets you a desktop install |
| 15:35.12 | jaem | read the readmes before downloading |
| 15:35.48 | jaem | also note that it uses cookies for the click-through, so you won't be able to wget the links over ssh, or anything like that |
| 15:36.26 | LuciusMare | jaem: what about wget and --cookies ? |
| 15:36.28 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 15:36.35 | frals | god, javaME is... >_< |
| 15:36.38 | jaem | oh yeah... that's what I was trying to look up :P |
| 15:36.40 | jaem | heh |
| 15:36.46 | LuciusMare | hah |
| 15:36.46 | jaem | yeah, but I meant without that |
| 15:36.53 | LuciusMare | man wget|grep cookie |
| 15:37.04 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 15:37.10 | LuciusMare | yet another 2gbs to dl |
| 15:37.12 | qwerty12_N900 | frals: Be thankful that it cannot corrupt you on Maemo =) |
| 15:37.30 | frals | aye :) |
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| 15:40.14 | orbarron | morning all |
| 15:41.50 | Stskeeps | morning orbarron |
| 15:44.04 | zaheerm | twiddles his thumbs while a package in autobuilder takes > 1hr to build |
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| 15:45.33 | LuciusMare | arrr |
| 15:45.57 | LuciusMare | wtf |
| 15:46.05 | LuciusMare | did there really appear me saying "arr" ? |
| 15:46.25 | lbt_ | no |
| 15:46.29 | jaem | yep |
| 15:46.30 | lbt_ | you said arrr |
| 15:46.34 | derf | Three r's. |
| 15:46.43 | LuciusMare | wtf |
| 15:46.43 | LuciusMare | i dont remember typing it |
| 15:46.50 | jaem | O_o |
| 15:46.52 | LuciusMare | just staring at the screen when it appeared O_o |
| 15:47.02 | lbt_ | celebrates |
| 15:47.03 | LuciusMare | looks into a mirror |
| 15:47.09 | lbt_ | it worked!! |
| 15:47.16 | Khertan | http://www.maemo-guru.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/maemo6.jpg <<< lol ... there is also a zelda here :) |
| 15:47.24 | qwerty12_N900 | LuciusMare: Wazd is in your computer, looking for your porn |
| 15:47.34 | LuciusMare | pirate porn? |
| 15:47.44 | LuciusMare | nvm |
| 15:47.57 | LuciusMare | back to what i want to intentionally...or just type |
| 15:48.01 | LuciusMare | or just want to type |
| 15:48.27 | LuciusMare | I forgot it |
| 15:48.28 | LuciusMare | OMG |
| 15:48.38 | LuciusMare | Something is wrong with me |
| 15:49.11 | LuciusMare | oh,yes i know |
| 15:49.28 | LuciusMare | after i download the image,it will be an installation of the sDK? |
| 15:49.30 | LuciusMare | *SDK? |
| 15:49.44 | jaem | LuciusMare, you'll need to unzip it using 7-zip first |
| 15:49.44 | LuciusMare | and,the 6 ui concept sucks |
| 15:49.46 | jaem | but then, yes |
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| 15:50.19 | LuciusMare | i find the good old 4 desktops better than a widgetfull dashboard or whatever it is |
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| 15:53.37 | LuciusMare | what about you? |
| 15:53.48 | LuciusMare | Wat do you think about tit? |
| 15:53.53 | LuciusMare | *What do you think about it? |
| 15:55.15 | jaem | I haven't looked at the Maemo 6 UI concepts yet |
| 15:55.20 | jaem | I've been meaning to |
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| 15:59.45 | yannj | hey guys, my n900 does not want to turn on, I get the first nokia splash screen, then little dot blinking and it shut down |
| 16:00.00 | Stskeeps | battery low? |
| 16:00.10 | yannj | I dont think so |
| 16:00.21 | Stskeeps | fwiw, it may sometimes go into a mode where it shuts down cos of bad last shutdown |
| 16:00.30 | Stskeeps | let it shut down, and thne turn it on |
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| 16:01.24 | yannj | I did |
| 16:01.31 | VDVsx | try to remove the battery too, sometimes also helps |
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| 16:02.05 | qwerty12_N900 | ...just put in the charger before ruling out low battery issues? |
| 16:02.40 | yannj | I just have the usb cable with me |
| 16:02.56 | jaem | yannj, were you charging from a computer, or from the wall charger? |
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| 16:03.16 | yannj | I charged from wall in the morning |
| 16:03.17 | bolsh | Hi |
| 16:03.22 | bolsh | Is Jeremiah around? |
| 16:03.39 | yannj | I installed a kernel module yesterday |
| 16:03.57 | yannj | I did reboot from yesterday I think |
| 16:04.12 | VDVsx | ok, probably you broke something :) |
| 16:04.16 | yannj | did not* |
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| 16:04.43 | yannj | how to acces the filesystem and remove it now |
| 16:05.57 | SpeedEvil | GPS seems not to lock if you have wildly inaccurate times. |
| 16:06.01 | SpeedEvil | (as in last year) |
| 16:06.08 | jaem | SpeedEvil, no kidding |
| 16:07.40 | yannj | is there a way to debug at startup? |
| 16:11.14 | Stskeeps | fuz_ had a fbcon kernel |
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| 16:20.28 | tbf | yannj: no idea how to access the FS in such state. you might have to reflash |
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| 16:20.50 | yannj | how do I reflash |
| 16:21.20 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 16:21.21 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 16:30.22 | yannj | I'll try |
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| 16:38.21 | Ceron^ | http://www.fukung.net/v/9252/5c944ff6947a71445cc9a8a5b7e83cea.jpg |
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| 16:45.18 | LuciusMare | NOOO |
| 16:45.25 | LuciusMare | I just finished downloading the SDK image |
| 16:45.37 | LuciusMare | Had to remove half of my movies so it would fit there |
| 16:45.43 | jaem | :( |
| 16:45.43 | LuciusMare | AND I DOWNLOADED FREAKIN DIABLO! |
| 16:45.44 | jaem | aw |
| 16:46.28 | jaem | wait, what? |
| 16:46.33 | jaem | it should have both SDKs |
| 16:46.50 | LuciusMare | huh |
| 16:46.51 | LuciusMare | this is weird |
| 16:46.57 | LuciusMare | i downloaded 1246690289 Maemo PreFinal 2 Fremantle and Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 Desktop Part 2 |
| 16:47.08 | LuciusMare | called 1246690289 Maemo PreFinal 2 Fremantle and Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 Desktop Part 2 |
| 16:47.13 | LuciusMare | zomg |
| 16:47.20 | LuciusMare | called Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Splitted.zip.001 |
| 16:47.56 | LuciusMare | Then why is there "diablo examples" and in readme is "Maemo Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex Desktop Edition installed" ? |
| 16:48.13 | jaem | one sec |
| 16:48.28 | jaem | you grabbed part 1 and part 2, right? |
| 16:48.33 | jaem | and unzipped them? |
| 16:49.15 | LuciusMare | yes |
| 16:49.15 | LuciusMare | then loaded the disk |
| 16:49.16 | jaem | those are the same files that I downloaded, and that image includes both |
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| 16:49.25 | LuciusMare | and does your readme say the same? |
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| 16:50.44 | LuciusMare | yay |
| 16:50.48 | jaem | I can't check right now, sorry, but if you downloaded the Desktop images from the link I gave you, then you have the right one |
| 16:50.56 | LuciusMare | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] |
| 16:51.02 | jaem | \o/ |
| 16:51.05 | LuciusMare | ^^ |
| 16:52.52 | lardman | re |
| 16:57.10 | zaheerm | any1 know a direct url for promoting to extras-testing the package page for the version i want to promote keeps timing out (for last hour or so) |
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| 17:01.05 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 17:01.15 | LuciusMare | when i run App manager,it tells me "operation failed" |
| 17:01.48 | yannj | My phone is back to ife |
| 17:01.56 | yannj | life!! thanks u all |
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| 17:03.16 | LuciusMare | and so,operation failed and if i click browse installable - no apps available |
| 17:03.25 | LuciusMare | er |
| 17:03.35 | jaem | yannj, woot |
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| 17:03.39 | LuciusMare | yes,no catalogues in use and then no apps available |
| 17:03.50 | jaem | LuciusMare, in the SDK, you mean? |
| 17:04.16 | LuciusMare | jaem: yes |
| 17:04.27 | jaem | ah |
| 17:04.30 | jaem | that's to be expected |
| 17:04.35 | LuciusMare | ah |
| 17:04.40 | LuciusMare | i didnt expect it. |
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| 17:04.53 | jaem | if you need packages from extras, you have to add the repo |
| 17:05.03 | jaem | by default it just has the tools and sdk repos |
| 17:05.10 | LuciusMare | i want any packages |
| 17:05.20 | LuciusMare | But i cant install any |
| 17:05.22 | jaem | and you'll want to use fakeroot apt-get in scratchbox, not the app manager |
| 17:05.37 | LuciusMare | i dont even have a terminal |
| 17:06.02 | jaem | wait, are you using sbox + Xephyr, or the host OS (ubuntu)? |
| 17:06.25 | LuciusMare | er |
| 17:06.33 | jaem | okay |
| 17:06.38 | jaem | you started up the SDK VM, right? |
| 17:06.41 | jaem | then what did you do? |
| 17:06.47 | zaheerm | package_instance/view keeps timing out...been trying for > an hour, is there a problem? |
| 17:06.51 | LuciusMare | then used sbox and xephyr |
| 17:06.56 | jaem | ah |
| 17:06.58 | LuciusMare | i am running it |
| 17:07.00 | jaem | okay |
| 17:07.02 | jaem | so |
| 17:07.15 | jaem | you do your development inside the scratchbox shell |
| 17:07.20 | jaem | only use Xephyr for testing graphical apps |
| 17:07.24 | jaem | it's not an emulator |
| 17:07.25 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 17:07.31 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 17:07.40 | jaem | well, it sort of is, but not in the sense that you're probably expecting |
| 17:07.56 | jaem | don't expect to have a "virtual N900" in the SDK - you don't |
| 17:08.20 | jaem | you have an shell that can run ARM apps that you compile, and an X display to test/run graphical apps |
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| 17:08.43 | jaem | if you need packages from extras, then add it to your apt sources, and use fakeroot apt-get to install things |
| 17:08.51 | LuciusMare | at least i expected nrtwork functionality |
| 17:09.04 | jaem | if the VM has networking set up right, then that should work |
| 17:09.11 | jaem | are you using VMWare Server? |
| 17:09.22 | LuciusMare | no,virtualbox |
| 17:09.35 | LuciusMare | and the network in vb is properly set |
| 17:09.39 | jaem | huh |
| 17:09.48 | jaem | what happens when you try to ping something in sbox? |
| 17:10.01 | LuciusMare | in sbox? |
| 17:10.03 | LuciusMare | wait |
| 17:11.24 | Ford_Prefect | LuciusMare, you might need to copy /etc/resolv.conf into your sb target. If ping <ip> works and ping <host> does not, that should solve the problem. |
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| 17:11.45 | jaem | Ford_Prefect, thanks - I was about to suggest that, and then forgot ^_^ |
| 17:12.36 | LuciusMare | um |
| 17:12.42 | LuciusMare | command ping not found |
| 17:12.48 | jaem | lol... right |
| 17:12.50 | jaem | I forgot |
| 17:12.53 | jaem | not installed by default |
| 17:13.00 | jaem | well, try what Ford_Prefect said |
| 17:13.58 | LuciusMare | where exatly is sb root? |
| 17:14.02 | LuciusMare | or - sb target? |
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| 17:14.11 | LuciusMare | i run /scratchbox/login |
| 17:14.27 | jaem | LuciusMare, from within scratchbox, it's /targets/[targetname]/, I believe |
| 17:14.54 | LuciusMare | wait |
| 17:15.03 | hrw | 2http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/11/30/i-wrote-module-player-in-qt/ |
| 17:15.29 | LuciusMare | so different formulation - where should i put /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 17:15.36 | LuciusMare | and i used dhcpclient |
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| 17:15.53 | jaem | in /, I believe |
| 17:16.01 | jaem | it's layered in some fashion |
| 17:16.32 | Ford_Prefect | Erm, <path-to-sb-target>/etc/resolv.conf is where I put it |
| 17:16.47 | LuciusMare | err |
| 17:17.06 | jaem | go with what Ford_Prefect said |
| 17:17.22 | LuciusMare | i dont know what is path to sb target |
| 17:17.27 | Ford_Prefect | Sec |
| 17:17.41 | jaem | LuciusMare, look in /targets in scratchbox |
| 17:17.42 | LuciusMare | oh! |
| 17:17.42 | LuciusMare | nvm |
| 17:17.45 | jaem | heh |
| 17:17.49 | Ford_Prefect | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.08 | LuciusMare | lol |
| 17:18.23 | LuciusMare | cat /etc/resolv.conf # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 17:19.06 | jaem | yeah, just replace it |
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| 17:50.12 | luke-jr | penguinbait: could have been hair spray... |
| 17:50.49 | g^ | on n900 does anyone know where filemanager stores the data what to use as root folder, ie. can you change it to point / instead of MyDocs |
| 17:51.22 | luke-jr | I somewhat doubt it |
| 17:51.37 | Stskeeps | g^: you don't want to do that though |
| 17:51.39 | luke-jr | based solely on the quality of Nokia code in the N810 |
| 17:51.49 | luke-jr | or rather, the lack thereof |
| 17:51.56 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.21 | till- | what about a symlink to / in MyDocs |
| 17:52.28 | g^ | Stskeeps: yes, and... i am not talking about doing chmod -R a+rwx / |
| 17:52.33 | greenfly | maybe a better question is why you'd want to do that |
| 17:52.36 | g^ | till-: MyDocs is vfat |
| 17:53.12 | till- | change the fs type :) |
| 17:53.44 | g^ | till-: was thinking of that, but tought if filemanager used some .settings file to store that tuff =) |
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| 17:54.11 | till- | or maybe you can do some smb or ntfs stuff |
| 17:54.48 | LuciusMare | zing |
| 17:54.52 | LuciusMare | That reminds me something |
| 17:55.13 | LuciusMare | Have anybody here tried reformatting the ugly vfat to ext2 or 3?Or something else? |
| 17:55.23 | crashanddie | g^: /etc/passwd |
| 17:55.39 | crashanddie | LuciusMare: yes, makes it unusable through USB |
| 17:55.50 | jaem | crashanddie, well, for non-Linux OSes |
| 17:56.01 | g^ | crashanddie: who uses windows anyways =D |
| 17:56.04 | jaem | so it's not convenient, but it'll work if you only use it on Linux computers |
| 17:56.06 | crashanddie | I do |
| 17:56.08 | crashanddie | at work |
| 17:56.08 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 17:56.11 | LuciusMare | why? |
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| 17:56.17 | crashanddie | because it's corporate policy? |
| 17:56.24 | LuciusMare | huh? |
| 17:56.31 | crashanddie | and because you don't have outlook on Linux? |
| 17:56.41 | crashanddie | LuciusMare: I'm a suit |
| 17:56.41 | LuciusMare | is confused. |
| 17:56.45 | jaem | g^, I don't usually, but I did that with my N810, and then forgot that I couldn't use it at the print-shop |
| 17:56.47 | jaem | heh |
| 17:56.49 | qwerty12_N900 | g^: $MYDOCSDIR - but it is rather stupid changing it |
| 17:56.51 | LuciusMare | You are a piece of clothing? |
| 17:57.01 | crashanddie | LuciusMare: nevermind |
| 17:57.06 | till- | there are two ext2/3-drivers for windows |
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| 17:57.27 | crashanddie | till-: and none of those work over USB |
| 17:57.31 | jaem | till-, yes, have you tried them? |
| 17:57.44 | jaem | crashanddie, why not? |
| 17:57.45 | till- | i'm using a ext3 partition on both win and linux |
| 17:57.46 | crashanddie | they don't support hotplug IIRC |
| 17:57.52 | jaem | O RLY? |
| 17:57.56 | g^ | qwerty12_N900: thanks! |
| 17:57.56 | LuciusMare | yes? |
| 17:57.58 | till- | even on a usb flash drive |
| 17:58.03 | LuciusMare | till-: how? |
| 17:58.04 | jaem | till-, are they stable? |
| 17:58.07 | LuciusMare | till-: oh,you told me...nvm |
| 17:58.08 | LuciusMare | _:D |
| 17:58.11 | till- | more or less |
| 17:58.11 | crashanddie | jaem: this was a few years back though |
| 17:58.25 | crashanddie | but yeah, on a partition they work fine |
| 17:58.29 | till- | one has a problem with not cleanly unmounted fs |
| 17:58.40 | zaheerm | i don't think i'd touch those ext drivers for windows with a barge pole |
| 17:58.44 | till- | windows wants to format them every time i tried to access :) |
| 17:58.57 | LuciusMare | If i connect my n900 to a computer,it acts as a mass storage device,right? |
| 17:59.06 | till- | but what about making a MyDocs/win partition with fat32 |
| 17:59.06 | LuciusMare | till-: nice feature |
| 17:59.10 | jaem | crashanddie, were those the native drivers, or one of the weird ext hacks that isn't quite a driver? |
| 17:59.16 | zaheerm | LuciusMare, yes it asks you first though, usb storage or pc suite mode |
| 17:59.30 | till- | and keeping MyDocs as ext2 or whatever |
| 17:59.34 | crashanddie | jaem: I believe the native driver or something, can't remember |
| 17:59.43 | LuciusMare | zaheerm: great,thanks,and the mass storage mode works like it feeds the connected computer the data directly? |
| 17:59.50 | zaheerm | till-, what about /home/user as ext3 and /home/user/MyDocs as vfat ;) |
| 18:00.01 | zaheerm | LuciusMare, it acts like a usb stick |
| 18:00.10 | LuciusMare | zaheerm: i know,but how does it work? |
| 18:00.13 | till- | i thought the intention was to access / in the file manager |
| 18:00.23 | till- | and there MyDocs is root |
| 18:00.30 | LuciusMare | I guess that it does not actually run the data through maemo,just into the cable |
| 18:00.34 | g^ | . /home/user is already a ext3 |
| 18:00.53 | jaem | crashanddie, okay. I hadn't tried any of the, but as I understand it, there were some initial apps that allowed you to access an ext filesystem without providing a driver (presumably doing something in userspace?) |
| 18:00.57 | crashanddie | g^: edit /etc/passwd and set the user home directory to / |
| 18:01.08 | zaheerm | LuciusMare, the partition is unmounted on the maemo device, then presented to the computer to do what it wants over usb |
| 18:01.09 | crashanddie | g^: don't know if that'll work, might completely break it, but hey, you asked |
| 18:01.16 | g^ | crashanddie: that makes no sense |
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| 18:01.22 | hrw | bye |
| 18:01.26 | zaheerm | LuciusMare, so userspace in maemo doesn't proxy it, no...it is done in kernel |
| 18:01.30 | crashanddie | g^: how so? |
| 18:01.42 | LuciusMare | zaheerm: i know,but it could also work like getting requests,reading the partition and sending them back |
| 18:01.45 | g^ | besides user's homedir is /home/user already |
| 18:01.47 | LuciusMare | yes,proxy,something like that |
| 18:02.03 | crashanddie | g^: [09:50] <g^> on n900 does anyone know where filemanager stores the data what to use as root folder, ie. can you change it to point / instead of MyDocs |
| 18:02.13 | crashanddie | g^: hence, move the homedir to / |
| 18:02.20 | LuciusMare | *sending them back > sending the recoded data to the cable as the computer would expect |
| 18:02.23 | LuciusMare | nvm |
| 18:02.29 | AakashPatel | hopes his n900 ships today |
| 18:02.37 | crashanddie | then also patch your environment variable to change $MYDOCSDIR or whatever it is to point to ~ |
| 18:02.39 | g^ | crashanddie: no, that is definedly sth I would not want to do |
| 18:02.57 | crashanddie | please use real words |
| 18:03.15 | LuciusMare | definedly |
| 18:03.17 | LuciusMare | :) |
| 18:03.37 | crashanddie | and "sth" |
| 18:03.51 | LuciusMare | grammar nazi |
| 18:03.57 | crashanddie | spelling nazi |
| 18:04.06 | crashanddie | quite different from grammar |
| 18:04.10 | LuciusMare | dictionary nazi |
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| 18:04.24 | crashanddie | what time is it in Europe now? |
| 18:04.28 | crashanddie | 6PM |
| 18:04.28 | crashanddie | ? |
| 18:04.42 | LuciusMare | what part of europe? |
| 18:04.42 | akeripper_ | 7pm |
| 18:04.47 | akeripper_ | swe time |
| 18:04.49 | crashanddie | k |
| 18:04.52 | crashanddie | thanks |
| 18:05.07 | LuciusMare | i also have 7pm,butt europe is big |
| 18:05.15 | crashanddie | yeah, I'm from London |
| 18:05.44 | crashanddie | so 6PM was pretty accurate, though I always consider Paris/Stockholm time to be "Europe time" |
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| 18:06.30 | crashanddie | I landed in California last night, I have no sense of time at this point |
| 18:06.38 | LuciusMare | wtf |
| 18:06.43 | LuciusMare | i am reading newspaper |
| 18:06.51 | crashanddie | interesting, you can read? |
| 18:06.55 | crashanddie | :P |
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| 18:06.59 | LuciusMare | i just hate when they shoot photos of handsome programmers |
| 18:07.05 | LuciusMare | that was not the point. |
| 18:07.13 | qwerty12_N900 | LuciusMare: Turns you on? |
| 18:07.13 | LuciusMare | Like,90% of programmers are geeks |
| 18:07.19 | crashanddie | no, they're not |
| 18:07.30 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 18:07.36 | LuciusMare | show me a handsome programmer |
| 18:07.49 | LuciusMare | (RMS :D) |
| 18:08.56 | Stskeeps | LuciusMare: i do know some quite hot computer scientists |
| 18:08.58 | Stskeeps | girls, that is |
| 18:08.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:09.04 | crashanddie | LuciusMare: elena |
| 18:09.16 | crashanddie | LuciusMare: one of my coworkers, trevor |
| 18:09.56 | crashanddie | LuciusMare: mostly, it's not about how you look, it's how you "maintain" yourself... You can be a hunk physically, if you don't wash and wear 70s clothes and haircut, you'll look like shit |
| 18:09.59 | LuciusMare | http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/there-are-no-girls-on-the-internet.jpg |
| 18:10.21 | lbt | andre__: ping.... how do I confirrm WPA2/AES? My router is runnning wrt and has WPA1+2 and RC4/AES available. dmesg doesn't help |
| 18:10.33 | LuciusMare | ok,so i am in a ugly-programmer zone |
| 18:10.34 | Stskeeps | lbt: iwlist wlan0 scanning? |
| 18:11.02 | lbt | under fremantle? |
| 18:11.09 | Stskeeps | why not? :P |
| 18:11.15 | lardman | Argh, what's a bloody expiration date? |
| 18:11.16 | lbt | iwlist: not found |
| 18:11.26 | Stskeeps | install wireless-tools |
| 18:11.26 | lardman | idiots! |
| 18:11.31 | crashanddie | lardman: a date where something expires |
| 18:11.40 | lardman | no, that's an expiry date |
| 18:11.53 | lbt | wireless is for pansies anway :) |
| 18:11.58 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: Let the generalisations begin |
| 18:12.03 | lardman | an expiration date must be when something expirises |
| 18:12.16 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: you ready :) |
| 18:12.27 | lbt | hmm, should wireless-tools be in HAM then? |
| 18:12.28 | lardman | thinks of architected |
| 18:12.37 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: No, I'm rather tired, actually |
| 18:12.40 | crashanddie | lardman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelf_life |
| 18:13.04 | LuciusMare | I have expired |
| 18:13.14 | qwerty12_N900 | GTFO IRC, then |
| 18:13.15 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: we'll save up the abuse-the-abusers-of-the-Queen's-English for another time then |
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| 18:13.43 | crashanddie | the Queen can barely talk ffs |
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| 18:14.08 | lardman | crashanddie: just because some fool who can't speak English has written expiration in that doc doesn't make it right |
| 18:14.22 | LuciusMare | LOL http://www.popehat.com/2009/11/23/i-could-not-get-a-degree-from-lincoln-university/ |
| 18:14.58 | crashanddie | lardman: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aexpiration+date&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a |
| 18:15.36 | lardman | again, .com.... |
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| 18:16.15 | crashanddie | lardman: there's some .gov in those definitions as well ;) |
| 18:16.21 | Flandry | is there a way to get the information in lsof through a system call? |
| 18:16.27 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: Cook Islands is the best Google |
| 18:16.39 | crashanddie | lardman: now stop trolling, you suck at it |
| 18:16.47 | lardman | .gov doesn't count, they don't speak English |
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| 18:16.55 | crashanddie | true |
| 18:16.56 | qwerty12_N900 | lbt: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/w/wireless-tools/ |
| 18:17.04 | Flandry | oops wrong channel it seems :P |
| 18:17.17 | LuciusMare | ? _ ? |
| 18:17.37 | Flandry | this is #freetrolls? |
| 18:17.52 | qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: Only when you're present |
| 18:17.57 | LuciusMare | nope,i should reffer you to redirection channel #gay |
| 18:18.07 | lardman | anyone use Windows 7? |
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| 18:18.19 | lardman | and namely how do I find the MAC of my wifi chipset? |
| 18:18.21 | Flandry | yeah asking unix questions is my way of trolling |
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| 18:18.30 | crashanddie | lardman: ipconfig /all ? |
| 18:18.33 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: Sure... Oh... let me just castrate myself first |
| 18:18.42 | Flandry | in earlier versions it's in the registry |
| 18:18.46 | Flandry | not sure about 7 |
| 18:18.59 | Flandry | in fact you can change it there ;) |
| 18:19.09 | crashanddie | not if the chipset doesn't support it |
| 18:19.19 | lardman | that worked, thanks crashanddie |
| 18:19.23 | crashanddie | lardman: np |
| 18:19.31 | Flandry | probably |
| 18:19.37 | Flandry | worked fine when i needed it though |
| 18:20.07 | CShadowRun | So, it's the 30th november, N900's still preorder...I thought it was out today? |
| 18:20.32 | Flandry | so there's no other way to get file open information than parsing lsof? |
| 18:21.10 | pH5 | Flandry: I believe lsof just parses /proc/*/fd |
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| 18:22.49 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/340x_lgexpo.jpg |
| 18:22.52 | Flandry | thanks |
| 18:23.53 | lardman_ | mm, so that's what happens when you reboot your router |
| 18:24.07 | LuciusMare | lardman_: lemme try |
| 18:24.45 | LuciusMare | okay,enough for me |
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| 18:25.23 | LuciusMa1e | enuff for me |
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| 18:25.43 | Flandry | would be nice if there was something in between |
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| 18:25.51 | CShadowRun | anyone on my question? |
| 18:26.22 | pH5 | CShadowRun: yes, you thought it was out today. |
| 18:26.36 | CShadowRun | indeed i did :p |
| 18:26.39 | CShadowRun | so, what's the new release date? |
| 18:27.47 | LuciusMa1e | Could anyone retell me what does the nokia EULA actually contain,and why the hell it is there on open software? |
| 18:28.13 | qwerty12_N900 | LuciusMa1e: Simple: Not everything is open |
| 18:28.21 | LuciusMa1e | qwerty12_N900: what is not? |
| 18:28.28 | Stskeeps | LuciusMa1e: 80% of platform is open, 20% isn't |
| 18:28.31 | mgedmin | many essential components |
| 18:28.35 | LuciusMa1e | what 20%? |
| 18:28.47 | qwerty12_N900 | LuciusMa1e: Dunno... There's a list somewhere, can't be arsed to find it |
| 18:28.50 | mgedmin | a very good question that I'd like to see answered |
| 18:28.53 | Stskeeps | LuciusMa1e: if you wait a little while my openness report should be done |
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| 18:29.02 | mgedmin | Stskeeps, cool! |
| 18:29.08 | Stskeeps | i need to generate one for diablo as well so we have a comparision |
| 18:29.34 | RST38h | moos |
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| 18:31.09 | Stskeeps | LuciusMa1e: and that will reveal connections between open and closed and give a very good overview of things |
| 18:31.46 | Stskeeps | LuciusMa1e: you don't technically need nokia-binaries to develop for maemo but it sure helps |
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| 18:34.51 | Flandry | hmm this is tricky. |
| 18:34.56 | qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie: How many languages do you speak? =) |
| 18:35.06 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N900: enough |
| 18:35.33 | mgedmin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages mentions some closed packages |
| 18:35.35 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N900: Speaking german is hard, however understanding it is quite easy, being dutch and all |
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| 18:36.29 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N900: I can read probably something around 8-9 different languages, speak 3 fluently, 5 if the other person is forgiving |
| 18:36.44 | qwerty12_N900 | Nice |
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| 18:38.18 | unixSnob | i keep looking for french classes, but the ads for french classes are themselves in french |
| 18:38.38 | unixSnob | you'd think some bright instructor would try some non-french ads |
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| 18:40.15 | julianoliver | unixSnob: 'being' French and speaking French are two different things. sure the ads you saw weren't lessons in Frenchness? |
| 18:40.18 | baze | dutch is weird... reading it is easy but understanding a person talking it is something completely different ;) |
| 18:40.34 | aSIMULAtor | like swedish |
| 18:40.43 | aSIMULAtor | köttbullar! |
| 18:41.06 | unixSnob | julianoliver: the ads are in belgium, so i doubt it |
| 18:41.55 | unixSnob | belgium has a lot of influence from france as it is |
| 18:41.55 | RST38h | "Michael Arrington announced the death of the CrunchPad on Monday morning in a blog post heavily spiced with angst and drama. According to Arrignton, the Cruchpad, a 12-inch Web tablet expected to be priced at about $300, was just days away from launch." |
| 18:41.57 | julianoliver | unixSnob: don't be too sure.. some of the Francophones I've met in .be fly the Frenchness flag high.. |
| 18:41.58 | RST38h | Liar. |
| 18:42.07 | unixSnob | we can even drink wine at work.. served in the cafeteria |
| 18:42.17 | julianoliver | baze: little known fact: Dutch was a spinoff project of the Dr Seuss series of childrens books. |
| 18:42.28 | julianoliver | baze: you can read more about that here: http://www.seussville.com/ |
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| 18:43.17 | julianoliver | unixSnob: indeed. i appreciate this also, the same in many countries across Europe.. |
| 18:44.08 | unixSnob | i haven't figured out why brits do the cheek kiss to greet in belgium.. i mean, they're not belgian |
| 18:44.41 | julianoliver | while not being British, i did it when i lived in Belgium. |
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| 18:44.46 | julianoliver | out of politeness mostly.. |
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| 18:45.06 | unixSnob | julianoliver: i don't mean to greet belgians.. I mean brits greeting brits |
| 18:45.15 | andre__ | LuciusMa1e, for your interest: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 18:45.42 | unixSnob | julianoliver: and i think it's a french thing.. I don't think the flemish do the cheek kiss |
| 18:46.15 | julianoliver | unixSnob: hehe. that is odd. |
| 18:46.50 | julianoliver | admittedly i didn't notice this strange behaviour. |
| 18:46.54 | unixSnob | i get confused w/ these folks.. not sure to extend a hand, or a lip |
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| 18:47.50 | unixSnob | i know i screw it up by actually kissing the cheek.. i think i'm supposed to kiss the air around the cheek.. either way, it's strange |
| 18:48.53 | unixSnob | i'm just going to start laying sloppy wet kisses on cheeks.. that'll stop folks from trying that kind of greet on me |
| 18:49.27 | unixSnob | my goal will be to leave somethign that they have to wipe off |
| 18:50.06 | Flandry | my Turkish and Italian friends do that as well |
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| 18:50.42 | Flandry | i don't think it's just a French thing |
| 18:50.58 | unixSnob | it's funny to see guys do it.. the other day a guy in full leathers w/ a couple chains, looking tough, did the cheek kiss w/ another guy - normal for french folks, but a shock to an american |
| 18:51.06 | julianoliver | people do it here in Germany a little also. |
| 18:51.17 | julianoliver | Swiss do it a lot also. |
| 18:51.24 | qwerty12_N900 | unixSnob: Maybe it was foreplay? |
| 18:51.33 | unixSnob | well switzerland has a french population |
| 18:51.45 | unixSnob | surprizes me about the germans though |
| 18:52.00 | Flandry | Turkey's French population is fairly limited... |
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| 18:53.22 | unixSnob | i could pull an obama, and shake hands and kiss and bow all at once to get it covered |
| 18:53.34 | unixSnob | all in one swift move |
| 18:53.59 | julianoliver | unixSnob: Berliners, at least. i dare not generalise. |
| 18:54.36 | unixSnob | what do you mean berliners? folks do that in berlin? |
| 18:55.23 | mikhas | aww, now you'll never visit us? |
| 18:56.30 | julianoliver | hehe |
| 18:58.19 | mgedmin | interesting |
| 18:58.23 | mgedmin | Salut lost one of my messages |
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| 18:59.46 | Flandry | is fakeroot just a scratchbox thing? |
| 19:00.41 | Flandry | i guess what i'm trying to figure out is if HAM is root on N900 |
| 19:00.43 | Stskeeps | no, used other places too |
| 19:00.54 | Stskeeps | Flandry: dpkg is |
| 19:01.01 | mikhas | part of the debian packaging tools IIRC |
| 19:01.27 | Flandry | ok thanks |
| 19:02.05 | Flandry | so a post install script in a deb can run as root |
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| 19:04.42 | unixSnob | julianoliver: can you translate this for me (babelfish is lousy): A partir du 01-12-2009, le taux d'intérêt débiteur en cas |
| 19:04.45 | unixSnob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.48 | unixSnob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.51 | unixSnob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.53 | unixSnob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.04 | woglinde | what? |
| 19:05.08 | unixSnob | that was on a bank statement |
| 19:05.08 | Flandry | oh no, they got to him |
| 19:06.00 | woglinde | hm even I cannot speak french |
| 19:06.00 | woglinde | seems some taxes raises from 1.12.2009 |
| 19:06.06 | woglinde | on |
| 19:06.24 | woglinde | hm |
| 19:06.31 | woglinde | ah no |
| 19:06.38 | unixSnob | belgians already tax 60% of my income.. how can they raise that? |
| 19:06.53 | woglinde | 60%? |
| 19:06.56 | mikhas | by going to 70%? |
| 19:06.57 | woglinde | more as in german |
| 19:06.59 | unixSnob | actually it's more |
| 19:07.01 | woglinde | uh |
| 19:07.17 | qwerty12_N900 | unixSnob: Translation: Leave |
| 19:07.18 | woglinde | and we german always complain about 55% |
| 19:07.19 | unixSnob | there's national insurance too.. it's more like 75% |
| 19:07.42 | unixSnob | ie. i get to keep 25% |
| 19:08.00 | Flandry | what does the 75% get you? |
| 19:08.13 | unixSnob | Flandry: 50% off on medical expenses |
| 19:08.27 | derf | That's it? |
| 19:08.32 | Flandry | just that |
| 19:08.34 | unixSnob | yeah, it sucks |
| 19:08.44 | Flandry | ouch |
| 19:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles. |
| 19:08.55 | unixSnob | and when i chipped a tooth and needed a cap, quote was 1000 euro, no coverage |
| 19:09.18 | unixSnob | you'd think they'd give me a blood crown considering i'm paying 75% in tax |
| 19:09.45 | Flandry | that seems...excessive |
| 19:09.53 | unixSnob | but the beer and chocolate here is quite good |
| 19:10.11 | julianoliver | unixSnob: i barely read French but it just relates to interest rates for a debt after the date given. |
| 19:10.46 | julianoliver | unixSnob: be sure to try Chimay Blue, Duvel and Leffe Brun. |
| 19:10.47 | unixSnob | julianoliver: okay.. quite interesting.. not sure how I can even get into debt on a belgian credit card - it's not trully credit |
| 19:10.56 | woglinde | unixsnob oh my god |
| 19:11.05 | unixSnob | they grab the balance straight out of my bank account every month |
| 19:11.06 | woglinde | now I am fine with living in germany |
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| 19:11.24 | Jaffa | ev'ning |
| 19:11.30 | Stskeeps | evening jaffa |
| 19:11.30 | lardman_ | hey Jaffa |
| 19:11.32 | GeneralAntilles | Hello, Jaffa. |
| 19:11.34 | unixSnob | julianoliver: chimay blue is great |
| 19:11.39 | KMFDM | juliank, those are all excellent indeed, but you also have to try chimay white |
| 19:11.48 | KMFDM | and westmalle tripel |
| 19:11.49 | julianoliver | indeed |
| 19:11.51 | KMFDM | and dubel |
| 19:11.52 | KMFDM | as well |
| 19:11.56 | unixSnob | i like hoogarden white.. |
| 19:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | I think a sources.maemo.org wouldn't be an awful idea. |
| 19:12.05 | unixSnob | never thought chimay would come in white |
| 19:12.19 | julianoliver | unixSnob: it does? |
| 19:12.24 | unixSnob | high fives KMFDM on the westmalle triple |
| 19:12.27 | Flandry | blue beer? |
| 19:12.46 | KMFDM | Flandry, nah it is a trappist ale |
| 19:12.47 | unixSnob | julianoliver: that's what KMFDM said |
| 19:12.50 | KMFDM | but the blue label is a double |
| 19:12.55 | KMFDM | err |
| 19:12.56 | KMFDM | triple |
| 19:13.02 | KMFDM | and the white label is as well i think |
| 19:13.13 | unixSnob | Flandry: actually we have green beer here, if you're into colors |
| 19:13.18 | unixSnob | it's cactus beer |
| 19:13.24 | Flandry | interesting |
| 19:13.28 | unixSnob | quite good actually |
| 19:13.36 | KMFDM | unixSnob, westmalle triple is what I always drink if I'm out and about as most cafes here don't have chimay |
| 19:13.43 | Flandry | actually i don't drink, but the thought of blue beer was odd |
| 19:13.56 | unixSnob | KMFDM: great for getting hammered quickly too |
| 19:14.08 | KMFDM | unixSnob, of course. I'm pretty buzzed after 1 |
| 19:14.14 | KMFDM | and after 2 I'm generally done for the night |
| 19:14.14 | mikhas | hm, cactus beer. I have to try that! |
| 19:14.14 | lardman_ | I had some red and green beer when I was in Berlin |
| 19:14.24 | KMFDM | but I'm quite light |
| 19:14.26 | mikhas | could you describe the flavour for me? |
| 19:14.26 | KMFDM | 55kg |
| 19:14.32 | Flandry | they have green beer here on St Paddy's day though |
| 19:14.36 | unixSnob | mikhas: you can get it at Delerium Tremens in brussels |
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| 19:14.59 | julianoliver | unixSnob: the most honest name for a Belgian Bar, indeed. |
| 19:15.10 | KMFDM | unixSnob, chimay white is actually even tastier than the blue somewhat |
| 19:15.10 | unixSnob | lardman_: was the red beer cherry flavored? Cherry beer is popular in belgium |
| 19:15.14 | KMFDM | but blue gets your more hammered |
| 19:15.16 | mikhas | lardman_, that "red/green" stuff isn't actually beer, if you go by the law =) |
| 19:15.19 | lardman_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Weisse is mine |
| 19:15.30 | mikhas | yeah |
| 19:15.31 | woglinde | lardman I dont like it |
| 19:15.40 | KMFDM | unixSnob, yeah the berry flavored beers taste good, but give me an awful hangover |
| 19:15.46 | KMFDM | belgian ales never do |
| 19:15.55 | KMFDM | and belgian ales get me a lot more hammered |
| 19:15.56 | lardman_ | unixSnob: those flavoured beers are dangerous, was at a conference and they were serving "tasters" of that and another one |
| 19:16.19 | unixSnob | KMFDM: well the cherry beer isn't good in quanity anyway.. i just have one every 6 or so regular beers to refresh the taste buds |
| 19:16.31 | lardman_ | even with my vast bulk, I was very pissed by the end of the day ;) |
| 19:16.54 | unixSnob | i made the mistake of ordering a pint of cherry beer |
| 19:17.04 | lardman_ | too sweet for my tastes |
| 19:17.10 | unixSnob | from now on, I'll just order 33cl of cherry beer |
| 19:17.12 | greenfly | it can be good if they are making a sour beer |
| 19:17.16 | clmntch | does it bother anyone (else) that the battery meter doesn't display usage in percent? |
| 19:17.17 | lardman_ | yeah |
| 19:17.29 | julianoliver | clmntch: yes |
| 19:17.35 | lardman_ | clmntch: the prediction is not that accurate reaslistically |
| 19:17.43 | KMFDM | yeah i'd prefer a percentage |
| 19:17.47 | unixSnob | clmntch: it bothers me that the display is color only |
| 19:17.50 | julianoliver | clmntch: i would like to see an estimate in time left though. |
| 19:17.54 | clmntch | lardman_: yes, but they display it as battery half full/empty |
| 19:18.01 | unixSnob | the NIT should move to the dual color/mono lcds |
| 19:18.04 | lardman | what device is this? |
| 19:18.05 | KMFDM | I enver make it to 6 beers |
| 19:18.10 | KMFDM | unless I'm drinking weak stuff |
| 19:18.10 | clmntch | lardman: n900 |
| 19:18.26 | lardman | hmm, I thought it has more graduations than that...? |
| 19:18.40 | greenfly | there seems to be about 8-10 levels |
| 19:18.46 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, to what possible end? |
| 19:18.47 | unixSnob | ideally a device would switch to mono mode when the battery is low - like switching to the reserve tank on a motorcycle |
| 19:18.55 | lardman | greenfly: yep |
| 19:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, composited UI is going to look like shit in mono |
| 19:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | assuming it's usable. |
| 19:19.19 | lardman | looks for Pleora Vista drivers |
| 19:19.23 | unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: sure, but you don't care about the aesthetics when it's about to power off |
| 19:19.41 | unixSnob | you just want it to function to get the info |
| 19:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, dual-mode LCDs add to cost. |
| 19:19.48 | unixSnob | also, mono is better in daylight |
| 19:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | Especially dual-mode LCDs at that DPI |
| 19:19.52 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming they even make them. |
| 19:20.20 | GeneralAntilles | But, considering both the software and hardware costs to implement this feature it sounds like an waste considering the limited benefits. |
| 19:20.27 | greenfly | plus what % is the display impacting power consumption at that point |
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| 19:20.36 | greenfly | seems like you'd get more benefit disabling all wireless |
| 19:20.39 | g^ | hmm.. it seems to be possible to mkfs.ext3 MyDocs drive & add symlinks to / & /home/user as with older tablets =) |
| 19:20.48 | greenfly | and scaling down that ARM |
| 19:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | greenfly, depends. |
| 19:21.15 | greenfly | that's because littering / like a home directory is a unix abomination :) |
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| 19:21.17 | GeneralAntilles | Race-to-idle and all that jazz |
| 19:23.36 | Flandry | reducing the backlight to minimum automatically would do more anyway |
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| 19:23.59 | pH5 | qwerty12_N900: thanks for petrovich. you don't happen to know how to interface with libcumulus, too? |
| 19:24.00 | Flandry | unless it's already there of course |
| 19:24.15 | qwerty12_N900 | pH5: No idea, sorry |
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| 19:24.25 | woglinde | what the hell is petrovich? |
| 19:24.33 | woglinde | sounds like vodka |
| 19:24.46 | LuciusMa1e | Also went on my mind |
| 19:24.57 | unixSnob | Flandry: it depends on the daylight. the NIT is hardly functional in bright daylight if you have a reduced backlight |
| 19:25.07 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, which model do you own? :) |
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| 19:25.25 | unixSnob | the old palms do quite fine in bright daylight |
| 19:25.27 | unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: n800 |
| 19:25.27 | lardman | unixSnob: wfm with N810 and N900 |
| 19:25.33 | julianoliver | woglinde: Petrovich is a test tube baby of Russian descent. |
| 19:25.39 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, yeah, not applicable to either the N810 or N900, then. |
| 19:25.41 | Flandry | seems like the reflection would overpower the backlight anyway |
| 19:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | They're both transflective. |
| 19:25.59 | Flandry | ah :) |
| 19:26.18 | lardman | ~curse VB for not supporting sending arrays using winsock (slightly OT I know) |
| 19:26.19 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, VB for not supporting sending arrays using winsock (slightly OT I know) ! |
| 19:26.36 | qwerty12_N900 | pH5: You may consider asking for libcumulus-dev to be put in nokia-binaries. Looks like they've just started listening: |
| 19:26.37 | unixSnob | Flandry: it doesn't ahve to be direct light to hinder it.. just bright enough. I have to turn the backlight up quite high to be able to read |
| 19:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, careful, we may have to do to you what we did to lcuk. |
| 19:26.40 | qwerty12_N900 | bug 6177 |
| 19:26.42 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6177 Consider pushing sharing-dialog-dev to nokia-binaries to encourage developer usage of sharing dialog |
| 19:26.42 | fiferboy | lardman: cursing VB is always topical |
| 19:26.52 | lardman | what's libcumulus? |
| 19:26.54 | Flandry | yes but that's because it's not reflective |
| 19:26.59 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, yes, because the N800 isn't transflective. |
| 19:27.03 | GeneralAntilles | What Flandry said. |
| 19:27.07 | lardman | fiferboy: :) |
| 19:27.09 | fiferboy | lardman: I think it is a tag cloud library |
| 19:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, welcome back. |
| 19:27.20 | fiferboy | There are no headers available for it, though |
| 19:27.25 | Flandry | looking for opinions on the best way to shutdown a background program from a script that starts it earlier |
| 19:27.26 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Thanks |
| 19:27.35 | unixSnob | what's transflective? |
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| 19:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, the kid graduate college yet? |
| 19:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid_crystal_display |
| 19:27.54 | lardman | fiferboy: ah yes, the name sort of gives it away hey? ;) |
| 19:28.07 | pH5 | qwerty12_N900: great, thanks for the hint |
| 19:28.10 | Flandry | unixSnob: the substrate is reflective so that the incident light helps make the image visible |
| 19:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, it's got little holes that allow ambient light to be bounced back through the LCD. |
| 19:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 19:28.42 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: No, we are holding him back to stay with his age group |
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| 19:29.14 | unixSnob | kinda like the 3d film that gets displayed by putting a mirror behind it |
| 19:29.22 | Flandry | i'm thinking of having the background process check a file, and die when the script deletes it. |
| 19:29.22 | lardman | I wonder if it's libcumulus-{humilis|mediocris|congestus}? |
| 19:29.27 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, you're just jealous of him. :P |
| 19:29.41 | Flandry | how's that sound? |
| 19:29.46 | LuciusMa1e | pH5: np,use wiki :P% |
| 19:29.51 | luke-jr | lardman: lrn2bash |
| 19:30.15 | pH5 | lardman: mediocris would explain why they don't want to show the code |
| 19:30.16 | lardman | luke-jr: nothanks |
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| 19:30.27 | lardman | :) |
| 19:30.39 | luke-jr | {a|b|c} is not valid syntax in *any* language I know |
| 19:30.50 | LuciusMa1e | luke-jr: then we need to invent one |
| 19:30.51 | lardman | lard=pseudo-code |
| 19:30.57 | qwerty12_N900 | pH5: Even the headers, forget the code! Oh, Nokia, how I love you |
| 19:31.16 | luke-jr | or just use standard BASH syntax |
| 19:31.17 | luke-jr | {a,b,c} |
| 19:31.20 | luke-jr | more readable too |
| 19:31.31 | LuciusMa1e | or,to be more accurate |
| 19:31.39 | LuciusMa1e | {blah;blah1;blah2} |
| 19:31.44 | luke-jr | ... |
| 19:31.51 | LuciusMa1e | If one field could contain a string separated by a comma |
| 19:32.00 | LuciusMa1e | : |
| 19:32.01 | LuciusMa1e | ) |
| 19:32.04 | luke-jr | that's not valid either |
| 19:32.25 | LuciusMa1e | use C,luke |
| 19:32.32 | mikhas | my favourite bash replacement is {a,b}{1,2}{A,B} |
| 19:32.42 | mikhas | it gives the full cross product |
| 19:32.59 | mikhas | so useful when dealing with complex directory hierarchies |
| 19:32.59 | luke-jr | LuciusMa1e: it's not valid C either |
| 19:33.05 | LuciusMa1e | it is |
| 19:33.10 | mikhas | {,folder}/ for example |
| 19:33.28 | LuciusMa1e | waiz |
| 19:33.30 | LuciusMa1e | wai |
| 19:33.33 | LuciusMa1e | ... |
| 19:33.34 | LuciusMa1e | wait |
| 19:33.38 | LuciusMa1e | nvm |
| 19:34.05 | luke-jr | {blah;blah1;blah2} would be valid *Perl* for something *completely different* |
| 19:34.28 | LuciusMa1e | python fields? |
| 19:34.54 | LuciusMa1e | wait,these are separated by a normal comma |
| 19:34.56 | luke-jr | Python thinks it's gibberish too |
| 19:34.59 | LuciusMa1e | nevermind |
| 19:35.03 | luke-jr | lol XD |
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| 19:35.21 | yuizy | maybe javascript |
| 19:35.30 | woglinde | *g* |
| 19:35.42 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.44 | luke-jr | nope |
| 19:35.53 | lardman | argh, I hate VB |
| 19:36.04 | luke-jr | lardman: liar |
| 19:36.10 | lardman | ? |
| 19:36.13 | woglinde | lardman than avoid it |
| 19:36.14 | luke-jr | you love VB |
| 19:36.18 | luke-jr | we all know it |
| 19:36.24 | AakashPatel | mmm VB |
| 19:36.25 | AakashPatel | :x |
| 19:36.26 | luke-jr | woglinde: lardman goes out of his way to use VB |
| 19:36.26 | lardman | woglinde: has bindings for the hw I want to control |
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| 19:36.38 | luke-jr | or am I thinking someone else? |
| 19:36.47 | lardman | luke-jr: sure do, especially good for work on DSPs ;) |
| 19:36.50 | luke-jr | lardman: that's a reason to reverse engineer the hw |
| 19:37.13 | LuciusMa1e | isnt that technically illegal? |
| 19:37.17 | luke-jr | LuciusMa1e: no? |
| 19:37.23 | lardman | luke-jr: well the hw is unfortunately abstracted by the VB interface, and tbh I can't be arsed :) |
| 19:37.32 | luke-jr | lardman: fail |
| 19:37.57 | lardman | luke-jr: I get paid for results, not time spent ;) |
| 19:37.59 | AakashPatel | LOL |
| 19:38.00 | luke-jr | LuciusMa1e: reverse engineering is technically a right |
| 19:38.09 | AakashPatel | The chick at nokia USA's support told me to call back LATER |
| 19:38.13 | luke-jr | that fool sign away with contracts |
| 19:38.14 | AakashPatel | cuz they were so busy |
| 19:38.15 | AakashPatel | :| |
| 19:38.22 | luke-jr | WTF AakashPatel |
| 19:38.28 | mikhas | VB together with .Net cant be that bad *runs* |
| 19:38.51 | luke-jr | mikhas: -5 + -10 = -15 |
| 19:38.59 | LuciusMa1e | oh dear,VB together with .NET? |
| 19:39.00 | AakashPatel | How do they expect us to buy crap if they dont answer thier phoen calls |
| 19:39.25 | luke-jr | AakashPatel: you're in the wrong chanel. everyone here buys their crap despite how much it sucks |
| 19:39.27 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 19:39.41 | AakashPatel | Haha I already bought my N900 |
| 19:39.45 | AakashPatel | I just want to know when it'll ship |
| 19:39.48 | mikhas | it makes total sense, luke-jr. only your math teachers were wrong, back in school =p |
| 19:39.48 | luke-jr | see, my point exactly\ |
| 19:39.51 | woglinde | args what a mess kvm and qemu are now conflicting in debian unstable |
| 19:40.00 | AakashPatel | hahaha good point |
| 19:40.14 | mikhas | oh wait, I think I didnt get it |
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| 19:40.37 | luke-jr | mikhas: -5 (VB) + -10 (.NET) = -15 (VB and .NET) |
| 19:40.42 | luke-jr | two bad things combined make a worse thing |
| 19:40.55 | mikhas | ah |
| 19:41.12 | woglinde | *g* |
| 19:41.22 | luke-jr | actually kinda funny point: |
| 19:41.37 | luke-jr | the main feature of VB6 was that it compiled to native code instead of P-code. |
| 19:41.42 | lardman | multiple the bad things instead then |
| 19:41.50 | luke-jr | the main feature of VB.NET is that it compiled to P-code instead of native code... ;) |
| 19:41.52 | lardman | s/multiple/multiply |
| 19:41.57 | mikhas | lardman, brilliant! |
| 19:42.06 | mikhas | I knew it was good! |
| 19:42.09 | lardman | luke-jr: it can be compiled to native can't it? |
| 19:42.29 | LuciusMa1e | The pee code? |
| 19:42.31 | luke-jr | lardman: can .NET be compiled to native? not AFAIK, but I have never wanted to get anywhere near that crap |
| 19:43.01 | lardman | VB 6.0 is compiled to P-code or Native, depending on your project choices |
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| 19:43.22 | lardman | and I use VB 6.0, as engineering hw producers don't tend to update their drivers :) |
| 19:43.27 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:44.00 | luke-jr | lardman: uh, that's what I said... |
| 19:44.14 | luke-jr | lardman: VB6's main feature was its native target, yet that was removed in .NET |
| 19:44.24 | lardman | ah I see |
| 19:44.27 | lardman | missed it, sorry |
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| 19:44.49 | lardman | wonders why he's doing day job at nearly 8pm |
| 19:44.55 | aSIMULAtor | a mug i found at nokia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/4146476433/ |
| 19:45.01 | mikhas | interesting, I thought windows programming would be easier with .Net? |
| 19:45.06 | woglinde | lardman *g* |
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| 19:45.24 | luke-jr | mikhas: fail |
| 19:45.30 | mikhas | has no clue about windows programming |
| 19:45.38 | luke-jr | I use C and Qt4 for all my Windows programming, tyvm |
| 19:45.48 | luke-jr | and I don't touch Windows at any part of the development process |
| 19:45.53 | luke-jr | leave that for the testers... |
| 19:46.07 | lardman | what do you write? |
| 19:46.12 | VDVsx | luke-jr, c and Qt4, why not c++ ? |
| 19:46.30 | woglinde | hm lol |
| 19:46.31 | luke-jr | VDVsx: because Windows lacks sane C++ support? |
| 19:46.37 | woglinde | how qt works with c |
| 19:46.41 | woglinde | thats intressting |
| 19:46.46 | luke-jr | besides, C is better than C++ usually |
| 19:46.54 | luke-jr | and when it isn't, Qt4 is better |
| 19:47.05 | woglinde | ??????? o.O |
| 19:47.12 | mikhas | woglinde, I think C and Qt have a lot more in common than Qt and c++, now that I made my first steps =) |
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| 19:47.21 | woglinde | oo? |
| 19:47.25 | luke-jr | C and Qt4 are two different languages.. |
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| 19:47.31 | mikhas | I can actually understand luke-jr's reasoning |
| 19:47.32 | julianoliver | luke-jr: this is ideal, up until you have to deal with the Win32 COM or other weird abstractions over hardware and low level bits |
| 19:47.33 | woglinde | whth you are talking about |
| 19:47.46 | lardman | C++ is indeed horrible in Windows, hence my using VB for this |
| 19:47.55 | julianoliver | agreed. |
| 19:47.59 | mikhas | woglinde, the Qt guys seem to have stripped C++ from some of its uglier parts, to make it easier to pick up |
| 19:48.21 | woglinde | after moc its c++ |
| 19:48.30 | mikhas | e.g., their preference for pointers, instead of references in the API => more C-like programming, IMHO |
| 19:48.42 | mikhas | I dont look at generated c++ code |
| 19:48.45 | luke-jr | Qt is to C++ what C++ is to C |
| 19:48.58 | luke-jr | C++ originated as a preprocessor to C too |
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| 19:50.12 | lardman | GUIs are all rubbish anyway |
| 19:50.18 | woglinde | lardman *g* |
| 19:50.40 | paroneayea | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture |
| 19:50.47 | paroneayea | Mission Control is marked as proprietary here |
| 19:50.48 | Flandry | hehe |
| 19:50.53 | paroneayea | but that appears to be incorrect? |
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| 19:51.25 | lardman | wonders if 2^31 will be enough characters for his variable length string |
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| 19:51.35 | woglinde | lardman lol |
| 19:51.50 | julianoliver | blinks |
| 19:52.13 | luke-jr | lardman: you're allocating 2 GB for a variable length string? |
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| 19:52.27 | julianoliver | lardman: your string is War and Peace? |
| 19:52.27 | unixSnob | i thought Qt was a C++ library |
| 19:52.29 | lardman | touch and go, probably a bit less than that |
| 19:53.00 | lardman | well no, I need to pass a 3D short array and looks like winsock won't accept arrays, so convert to string, etc |
| 19:53.32 | lardman | anyway, will be less that 1GB I imagine, so should be fine |
| 19:54.03 | luke-jr | unixSnob: not quite, it's a new language |
| 19:54.03 | woglinde | unixsnob yes |
| 19:54.16 | luke-jr | unixSnob: currently implemented in C++ to some extent |
| 19:54.21 | woglinde | but it runs a praeproc called moc before |
| 19:54.25 | luke-jr | and backward compatible with C++ mostly |
| 19:54.40 | luke-jr | Qt4 is a C++ library if C++ is a C library ;) |
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| 19:55.13 | AakashPatel | k |
| 19:56.48 | AakashPatel | erm wrong iwndow lol |
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| 20:09.49 | mikedg-blau | can i develop for maemo on my n900? |
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| 20:10.29 | mece | mikedg-blau, yes you can. Or so says lcuk, who has been doing it since he got it. |
| 20:11.13 | mece | mikedg-blau, I haven't tried it, since the N900's I use belong to my workplace. I will when I get my own at the end of the week though. |
| 20:11.34 | mikedg-blau | where did you order from |
| 20:11.41 | mikedg-blau | amazon seems to have a nice deal |
| 20:12.12 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 20:12.12 | timeless_mbp | how does Section: work in debian control files? :) |
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| 20:12.17 | mikedg-blau | im the best developer for android, you guys would do well to have me developer for maemo, i will appreciate any amounts of money for a n900 |
| 20:13.23 | Jaffa | mikedg-blau: write an app, ask for donations. probably doesn't work the other way around ;-) |
| 20:13.31 | GAN900 | lol |
| 20:13.44 | mikedg-blau | ive written many for Android |
| 20:13.48 | lcuk | mikedg-blau, Jaffa is the best maemo developer, he will appreciate any amounts of money, because well hes a whore |
| 20:13.54 | mikedg-blau | perhaps you've heard of "I am Richer" or "Melon" |
| 20:13.56 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: it's just a string. HAM uses it |
| 20:14.01 | Jaffa | mikedg-blau: nope |
| 20:14.09 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: yeah, but i was using it in Source: |
| 20:14.17 | timeless_mbp | it seems that while i can do that, i really want it in the Package: sections |
| 20:14.18 | Jaffa | lcuk: damn straight. I'll do owt for cash |
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| 20:14.25 | timeless_mbp | otherwise my helper packages appear in the ui :( |
| 20:14.26 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: yup |
| 20:14.32 | timeless_mbp | fixes |
| 20:14.58 | lcuk | mikedg-blau, if you wrote "i am richer" why havent everyone bought your software and made you a millionare? |
| 20:14.59 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: are there handy variables available? |
| 20:14.59 | timeless_mbp | like i have Package: A |
| 20:14.59 | timeless_mbp | and Package: B |
| 20:15.13 | Jaffa | mikedg-blau: My main schtick I use when talking about Maemo is selfishness and how that's why I do stuff |
| 20:15.30 | pH5 | hej Jaffa, what do you think would be the best way to distribute maemo specific vala bindings? include them with the vala package, or create an extra maemo-vala package? (hildon-notify, libhildondesktop, libhildonmime etc.) |
| 20:15.38 | lbt | like's OSS ... it's free :) |
| 20:15.47 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: nope, although you could run cpp over the control file before packaging, I guess. |
| 20:16.05 | mikedg-blau | lcuk: the economy is bad |
| 20:16.18 | AakashPatel | LOL mikedg-blau you actually are taking my adivce? |
| 20:16.28 | lcuk | so rename it "i am poor" and sell it for a buck a piece |
| 20:16.39 | Jaffa | pH5: Not sure. Upstream vala has shipped Hildon to date. I'd think a vala-hildon package would make sense tho |
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| 20:17.26 | mikedg-blau | whats with the funky keyboard |
| 20:17.58 | lcuk | whats wrong with the funky keyboard |
| 20:18.16 | timeless_mbp | Package-A has a Depends: B |
| 20:18.16 | timeless_mbp | but i'd like it to have Depends: B (>= ${package-version}) |
| 20:18.16 | timeless_mbp | which package-version is the latest version in the debian/changelog |
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| 20:18.22 | timeless_mbp | mikedg-blau: this is #maemo not #twenty-questions-about-the-n900-hardware-design |
| 20:18.37 | timeless_mbp | but the keyboard is just a bunch of buttons, roughly 3x13 (with one button in the bottom row spanning two positions) |
| 20:18.51 | pH5 | Jaffa: so you're not very interested in keeping patches in vala mud that don't go upstream? (for example upstream doesn't seem to be very interested in libconic bindings). |
| 20:19.27 | timeless_mbp | you can make the buttons do whatever you like |
| 20:19.27 | timeless_mbp | pH5: perhaps because conic is junk? :) |
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| 20:20.09 | mikedg-blau | can i remape the keys on the n900 so that v and b are space? |
| 20:20.32 | pH5 | timeless_mbp: junk as in "we have to live with it on n900", or junk as in "don't use it, even there"? |
| 20:20.35 | AakashPatel | ..then where are you going to get the v an b keys? |
| 20:20.38 | AakashPatel | :P |
| 20:20.50 | mikedg-blau | space |
| 20:20.54 | lcuk | didnt you know, vb is dead |
| 20:20.57 | mikedg-blau | left side of space and right side of space |
| 20:20.58 | timeless_mbp | mikedg-blau: you could |
| 20:21.12 | mikedg-blau | well, vbnm would all shuffle over |
| 20:21.18 | mikedg-blau | so i guess n and m would be space |
| 20:21.20 | timeless_mbp | but the space key is one key |
| 20:22.14 | mikedg-blau | is the maemo sms app open source? |
| 20:22.20 | AakashPatel | the OS is opensource |
| 20:22.21 | AakashPatel | :P |
| 20:22.23 | mikedg-blau | does maemo give sexing? |
| 20:22.43 | AakashPatel | only on fridays |
| 20:22.43 | Venomrush | hmm just noticed some issues with opening PDF files > 1mb |
| 20:22.55 | mikedg-blau | venom: on maemo, or in general ? |
| 20:23.03 | Venomrush | maemo |
| 20:23.10 | timeless_mbp | so you're going to have to use space and shift-space |
| 20:23.10 | timeless_mbp | and then getting an uppercase letter will be hard |
| 20:23.10 | timeless_mbp | you could use fn-space |
| 20:23.10 | timeless_mbp | note that bn is the center of the keuyboard, roughly |
| 20:23.12 | timeless_mbp | mikedg-blau: there's a web page that lists what's open and what's closed |
| 20:23.14 | timeless_mbp | please do us a favor and go find it |
| 20:23.16 | timeless_mbp | if you can't find it, you're not really whatever enough to be worth spending our time |
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| 20:23.40 | mikedg-blau | ok |
| 20:23.41 | rashed2020 | "." is punctuation. The enter key is not. |
| 20:23.41 | Jaffa | pH5: I don't mind either way. Less overhead for patches to be in vala, I guess :) |
| 20:24.13 | Venomrush | does anyone have any pdf file that's > 1mb? |
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| 20:24.31 | Venomrush | i got some but prefer not to share it around as it contains confidential info |
| 20:24.34 | timeless_mbp | Venomrush: i was going to suggest the userguide |
| 20:24.43 | timeless_mbp | but the copyright file is 1/4 mb |
| 20:24.49 | timeless_mbp | and the userguide doesn't seem to be on my device |
| 20:25.14 | Venomrush | the user guide on the device is in .html |
| 20:25.28 | mikedg-blau | im out boondongles! |
| 20:25.29 | mikedg-blau | ciao |
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| 20:25.41 | AakashPatel | finally :) |
| 20:26.02 | mece | whoa. that was bonkers! |
| 20:26.03 | Jaffa | Meh, we were all newbies once |
| 20:26.08 | timeless_mbp | from memory the maemo sdk docs are available as pdf's |
| 20:26.09 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:26.12 | Jaffa | of course |
| 20:26.16 | GeneralAntilles | Google was quite revealing about that guy. |
| 20:26.25 | Jaffa | ...we weren't all INSAAANE |
| 20:26.27 | mece | jaffa, well yea, but not all of us are douches... |
| 20:26.37 | SpeedEvil | Venomrush: http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/am3517 |
| 20:26.39 | GeneralAntilles | mece, hey speak for yourself! :P |
| 20:27.02 | mece | GeneralAntilles, well some of us were. I wasn't speaking of myself :D |
| 20:27.23 | AakashPatel | WHO INSANE |
| 20:27.29 | luke-jr | u |
| 20:27.31 | AakashPatel | >.< |
| 20:27.33 | timeless_mbp | Venomrush: so, pdf's vary |
| 20:27.52 | Jaffa | and I aren't. Oh no; the voices tell us so. |
| 20:27.53 | SpeedEvil | Venomrush: or for a 120m one - http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/B092/digikey.pdf |
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| 20:28.20 | Venomrush | i think im gonna put n900 user guide and test it |
| 20:28.28 | Venomrush | at the moment |
| 20:28.34 | Venomrush | i cannot open any pdf files bigger than 1mb |
| 20:28.39 | lcuk | Jaffa, need i get the photo of you actually looking as insane as that rant |
| 20:28.46 | Venomrush | its either tells me to 'enter a password' which the pdf file doesn't have any |
| 20:28.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:28.52 | Ceron^ | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17230 |
| 20:28.52 | Venomrush | or it says 'file corrupted' |
| 20:29.17 | Ceron^ | what kind of other purpouse than illegal card copying can that device be used for.. |
| 20:29.32 | Jaffa | lcuk: best not! |
| 20:29.46 | Jaffa | heads back to the scary real world |
| 20:30.25 | kalikiana | Midori is in extras devel ^_^ |
| 20:30.41 | kalikiana | Please try it out, anyone who is interested |
| 20:30.47 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Sweet |
| 20:31.12 | julianoliver | kalikiana: what is Midori? sounds familiar. |
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| 20:31.25 | kalikiana | julianoliver, a webkit based browser |
| 20:31.33 | qwerty12_N900 | WebKit goodness |
| 20:31.39 | julianoliver | ahah. cheers. will explore. |
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| 20:31.55 | SpeedEvil | Ceron^: ideally nothing |
| 20:32.15 | SpeedEvil | Ceron^: Anyone using that sort of card for secure apps deserves all they get |
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| 20:33.24 | mece | kalikiana, is it risky to install? |
| 20:34.23 | archebyte | venomrush: the User Guide opens smoothly.. Its 4.5mb |
| 20:34.40 | kalikiana | mece, you risk becoming addicted. :-) |
| 20:35.14 | Venomrush | what the hell |
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| 20:35.17 | Venomrush | user guide works |
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| 20:35.29 | Venomrush | hmmm |
| 20:35.40 | mece | kalikiana, yes naturally. I've been waiting for it, and have a couple of N900's at the office, but since they aren't really _my_ phones, I don't want to mess them up too badly... |
| 20:35.45 | Venomrush | archebyte PM pls |
| 20:35.59 | mece | hmm that one could have used some actual punctuation... |
| 20:36.02 | Vink | Hi |
| 20:36.08 | Vink | I have a question |
| 20:36.18 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Is it actually in extras-devel's Packages file? |
| 20:36.40 | Vink | How is the Nokia telepathy different from Google Desktop Gadgets? |
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| 20:36.57 | mece | wtf is google desktop gadgets? |
| 20:36.58 | kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, I got the confirmation that it should be. Unless it's still pending some kind of missing update |
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| 20:37.22 | kalikiana | checks again |
| 20:37.38 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: An OK from the autobuilder doesn't mean it's imported into the repo right away |
| 20:37.49 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Hell, extras-devel is slow as shit nowadays |
| 20:38.20 | kalikiana | Hrm.. apt indeed doesn't know it :-( |
| 20:38.32 | Flandry | could someone with an N900 please check if /dev/uinput exists, and its permissions? |
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| 20:38.58 | SpeedEvil | It does not Flandry |
| 20:39.11 | qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: Doesn't exist |
| 20:39.35 | Flandry | is it at /dev/input/uinput? |
| 20:39.37 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.47 | Flandry | awesome thank |
| 20:39.48 | Flandry | s |
| 20:40.10 | mece | Vink, I found Google desktop and google gadgets, none of which have any similarities with telepathy afaik. Am I missing something? |
| 20:41.12 | timeless_mbp_ | wow |
| 20:41.18 | timeless_mbp_ | LHR Terminal 2 closed |
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| 20:43.03 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp_: Aliens? |
| 20:43.10 | timeless_mbp_ | ? |
| 20:43.59 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp_: The confiscation of liquid containers is now revealed to be a plot, because over 100ml of liquid could be dangerous to the desert-dwelling creatures come to suck peoples minds! |
| 20:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | Christ |
| 20:44.04 | GeneralAntilles | That Red Pill thread is ridiculous |
| 20:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | They've been going back and forth over a question that was answered on page 1. |
| 20:44.17 | andre__ | URL? |
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| 20:44.52 | LuciusMa1e | I am on a dilema - moving 8 windows from desktop number three to desktop number one where my terminal with irssi is - but that would take a lot of time,or moving the terminal to desktop number three thus violating my desktop standards,i keep all fun at number one. |
| 20:44.59 | Vink | mece, I think google gadgets are just UI widgets that could be written by anyone, and available for anyone to use |
| 20:45.36 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=401434&posted=1#post401434 |
| 20:45.54 | Myrtti | http://g0.fi/1gd oo |
| 20:46.17 | timeless_mbp_ | LuciusMa1e: what kind of boat or plane is a dilemma? <http://www.answers.com/dilemma> |
| 20:46.36 | SpeedEvil | Clearly a biplane. |
| 20:46.47 | SpeedEvil | Made from lemmings. |
| 20:47.32 | timeless_mbp_ | GeneralAntilles: we really could have changed the apt cache to use the mmc |
| 20:47.52 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp_, indeed. |
| 20:48.09 | LuciusMa1e | timeless_mbp_: dilemma: * state of uncertainty or perplexity especially as requiring a choice between equally unfavorable options - I can either violate my standards or spend some time at moving |
| 20:48.24 | timeless_mbp_ | LuciusMa1e: dilemmas aren't platforms |
| 20:48.30 | SpeedEvil | ITYM 'on the horns of a dilemma' |
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| 20:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5746 |
| 20:48.41 | timeless_mbp_ | you're never on dilemmas |
| 20:48.41 | povbot | Bug 5746: symlink /var/cache/apt/archives to /home/apt-archives |
| 20:48.44 | timeless_mbp_ | you can be on a boat |
| 20:49.29 | mece | Vink, so what were you asking about then? Telepathy is a communications framework, google gadgets is not. |
| 20:50.07 | timeless_mbp_ | GeneralAntilles: i'm tempted to provide a package which deals w/ that |
| 20:51.05 | fnordianslip | Hmm. The mail client running on my N900 doesn't seem to be 'marking as read' emails I read on it, from my IMAP server (mac.com). I really thought it had been doing it before, but I could be mistaken, as it was mostly stuff I read and deleted, whereas now, I'm not doing the deleting. Any comments? |
| 20:51.38 | timeless_mbp_ | fnordianslip: i've heard rumor that modest has logging you can turn on |
| 20:51.42 | timeless_mbp_ | i'd suggest turning it on |
| 20:51.43 | lcuk | fnordianslip, check the bugzill (bugs.maemo.org) and see if its either noticed or cured or whatnot |
| 20:52.06 | qwerty12_N900 | would suggest not using Modest but, alas, where's the alternatives? |
| 20:52.13 | timeless_mbp_ | gmail :) |
| 20:52.25 | fnordianslip | i just wondered if others are getting their mail "marked as read" on IMAP servers? |
| 20:52.27 | lcuk | gmail works better in html mode |
| 20:52.36 | timeless_mbp_ | yes |
| 20:52.36 | lcuk | but then at home its in yucky format |
| 20:52.41 | timeless_mbp_ | gmail /x or /h |
| 20:52.43 | lcuk | so its not ideal |
| 20:52.44 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Indeed, that's the mode I use it in on the N900 |
| 20:53.10 | lcuk | ahh timeless theres an alternative link to just use html from specific client? |
| 20:53.21 | timeless_mbp_ | https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ |
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| 20:53.26 | timeless_mbp_ | https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ |
| 20:53.38 | timeless_mbp_ | https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 |
| 20:53.44 | timeless_mbp_ | https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2 |
| 20:53.45 | fnordianslip | i just wish modest wasn't so unfortunately named |
| 20:53.49 | lcuk | that doesnt roll off the tongue as easy as typing gmail into address bar lol |
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| 20:54.05 | lcuk | thanks timeless |
| 20:54.08 | lcuk | will bookmark it |
| 20:54.19 | timeless_mbp_ | fnordianslip: unfortunately? |
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| 20:54.31 | dieg | hi all |
| 20:54.37 | dieg | Ive a fast question |
| 20:54.45 | lcuk | no |
| 20:54.59 | jeremiah | lcuk: You're not a greeter are you? |
| 20:55.05 | jeremiah | :P |
| 20:55.06 | fnordianslip | well, it seems ironic, that's all. it needs to be modest, as it has nothing to shout about :) |
| 20:55.07 | dieg | I have a brand new N900 and the mic is not working |
| 20:55.11 | lcuk | jeremiah, you can tell? |
| 20:55.18 | lcuk | :O dieg |
| 20:55.21 | timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: that isn't irony |
| 20:55.23 | crashanddie | dieg: you're in spain? |
| 20:55.28 | dieg | yes |
| 20:55.29 | fnordianslip | it is. ask alanis! |
| 20:55.32 | timeless_mbp | i'd call it "fitting" |
| 20:55.37 | crashanddie | dieg: did you buy it in the UK? |
| 20:55.41 | jeremiah | heh |
| 20:55.41 | range | I'd call it humble. |
| 20:55.42 | dieg | nop |
| 20:55.46 | fnordianslip | lol |
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| 20:55.59 | timeless_mbp | we could call it apt [ly named] |
| 20:56.01 | dieg | from nokia spain online shop |
| 20:56.03 | timeless_mbp | but that'd confuse people |
| 20:56.05 | fnordianslip | "better than nothing" |
| 20:56.17 | fnordianslip | call it btn |
| 20:56.26 | range | Oh. It is much better than the first maemo mail client. |
| 20:56.29 | range | Much much better. |
| 20:56.42 | dieg | anybody knows something? Is it a software or a hardware error? |
| 20:56.53 | crashanddie | dieg: there are a lot of reports of this happening |
| 20:56.57 | lcuk | dieg there is a thread on talk.maemo.ogr about this |
| 20:57.02 | range | dieg: There are some discussions about that on talk.maemo.org |
| 20:57.04 | crashanddie | dieg: well, "a lot" because some people are very vocal about it |
| 20:57.09 | mikhas | dieg, can be both. one thread on t.m.o suggests it is software only, some interference with bluetooth or so |
| 20:57.21 | range | nuknuks crashanddie |
| 20:57.34 | dieg | And is there any solution? |
| 20:57.35 | lcuk | crashanddie, you stateside? |
| 20:57.41 | crashanddie | aye |
| 20:57.50 | crashanddie | having lunch |
| 20:57.57 | lcuk | dieg, follow the thread on talk.maemo.org and see what people do ive been too caught up in other things to notice much. |
| 20:58.02 | lcuk | hope you get it cured tho |
| 20:58.04 | dieg | ok |
| 20:58.06 | lcuk | wicked crashanddie |
| 20:58.09 | dieg | thanks lcuk :) |
| 20:58.39 | lcuk | crashanddie, you say a few vocal people. how can they be vocal if their mic doesnt work |
| 20:58.46 | qwerty12_N900 | dieg: One word: nuknuk. The most whiniest guy in the world |
| 20:59.08 | archebyte | true that... |
| 20:59.21 | crashanddie | lcuk: that's my point, they're so vocal they don't actually need a mic |
| 20:59.32 | mikhas | dieg, for me pushing the mic toggle button (the mic icon) when making a call solves it |
| 20:59.58 | dieg | mikhas, pushing? to silence the mic? |
| 21:00.02 | lcuk | willhave to readup about this |
| 21:00.10 | qwerty12_N900 | laughs at his pre-prod working better than some final devices |
| 21:00.11 | crashanddie | dieg: yeah, turn it off and on again |
| 21:00.16 | mikhas | so I would try to: A) switch off wifi + bluetooth, B) press the mic toggle button a few times =) |
| 21:00.21 | t_s_o | heh, first time i have seen that. eggtimer alarm triggered, and the N800 rebooted... |
| 21:00.23 | qwerty12_N900 | Perks of having it made in Finland, not Korea, I guess |
| 21:00.28 | mece | the two devices I got today both worked perfectly fine... |
| 21:00.39 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N900: pre-prod wasn't made in finland |
| 21:00.42 | mikhas | it's stupid, I know. but it gives me hope that it is a software bug only =) |
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| 21:00.56 | qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie: The label on the back of mine says otherwise |
| 21:01.07 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N900: only to go around EU lawas |
| 21:01.19 | crashanddie | s/was/ws/ |
| 21:02.03 | fnordianslip | lcuk: thanks for bugzilla tip on my modest issue. bug 2987 explains all. |
| 21:02.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2987 Does not always mark e-mails as read (dovecot/cyrus/google IMAP server) |
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| 21:02.22 | lcuk | :) yw fnordianslip |
| 21:02.39 | lcuk | understands bugzilla importance now :) |
| 21:02.47 | crashanddie | "fnordianslip", is that like the northern counterpart of freudian slip? |
| 21:02.52 | Arkenoi | is U.S. model really identical to european one? it is listed as "optimized for for WCDMA 900/1700/2100" (instead of 850/1900/2100) |
| 21:02.56 | lcuk | kicks liqbase tho |
| 21:03.11 | fnordianslip | its the discordian counterpart |
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| 21:03.32 | crashanddie | Arkenoi: they're not identical |
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| 21:04.16 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, the radios are. |
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| 21:06.50 | dieg | perfect, 600€ mobile without mic... |
| 21:07.22 | julianoliver | these n900 screens get filthy. luckily it's resistive so you can use stylus or fingernail.. |
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| 21:09.02 | lcuk | julianoliver, they show worse on white backgrounds |
| 21:09.18 | lcuk | prefers black screens |
| 21:09.30 | Myrtti | dieg: warranty |
| 21:10.16 | dieg | 3 months waiting for a phone and now it's broken? |
| 21:10.16 | mece | black is the new black... and the old black, and the current black. So yeah, Black. |
| 21:10.17 | dieg | a 600€ phone... broken? |
| 21:10.17 | lcuk | dieg :( |
| 21:10.40 | mece | dieg, that sucks :/ |
| 21:10.45 | javispedro | Phones break, all the time. |
| 21:10.50 | dieg | and now what? another month to get a working phone? |
| 21:10.53 | javispedro | Internet Tablets, on the other side... >:) |
| 21:10.55 | mikhas | dieg, have to tried toggling the mic? |
| 21:11.08 | range | dieg: No, they should have them in stock now at nokia. |
| 21:11.16 | dieg | mikhas, toggling the mic, disabling the wifi and bluettoth |
| 21:11.24 | mikhas | damn |
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| 21:12.30 | mikhas | the last resort would be removing the battery for ~1h |
| 21:13.09 | dieg | removing the battery? what is the science in that? |
| 21:13.32 | zaheerm | remove all capictance stored in the capacitors |
| 21:13.42 | zaheerm | capacitance even |
| 21:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, consumer electronics have failure rates. |
| 21:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | No surprise there. |
| 21:14.07 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, did you reflash? |
| 21:14.09 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 21:14.09 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:14.41 | dieg | reflash solves anithing? |
| 21:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, but it can't hurt. |
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| 21:15.31 | Flandry | what's in /lib/udev/rules.d on N900? Is this documented somewhere? |
| 21:16.09 | mece | oh fer fracks sake. Again with the twitterfail :/ |
| 21:17.03 | mece | Why the hell is it "big news" that there will only be one new maemo device 2010? |
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| 21:17.18 | javispedro | massive ignorance on maemo by the general public? |
| 21:17.24 | dieg | GeneralAntilles, what image? |
| 21:17.42 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, the one for your locale? |
| 21:17.45 | ShadowJK | I doubt there will be even one :D |
| 21:17.54 | dieg | GeneralAntilles, very clever, thanks |
| 21:17.55 | dieg | :) |
| 21:17.56 | mece | ShadowJK, how so? |
| 21:18.00 | mikhas | ah yes, reflashing ... actually, that's quite easy, and GA already gave you the link |
| 21:18.03 | returnthis | I realize this is not the place but I have never dealt with nokia before, is their customer support always this bad? cancelled my preorder of the n900 and 40min+ wait time on phone so far |
| 21:18.14 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, I can't guess what your options are. |
| 21:18.14 | AakashPatel | How do you get into the bootloader of the n900 |
| 21:18.20 | returnthis | *they* cancelled my preorder |
| 21:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, based on zero information I'm giving you the best answer I happen to have at the moment. |
| 21:18.38 | crashanddie | mece: because everyone is hyped of the number of devices that android has seen being announced? |
| 21:18.41 | AakashPatel | dude redondos are you talkin about Nokia USA? |
| 21:18.51 | AakashPatel | returnthis* |
| 21:18.54 | Myrtti | returnthis: you ordered it from their webshop? |
| 21:18.59 | returnthis | AakashPatel: yes |
| 21:19.00 | mece | crashanddie, people still care about that pong stuff? |
| 21:19.02 | GeneralAntilles | returnthis, Nokia USA is absolutely horid. |
| 21:19.03 | AakashPatel | They are soooo understaffed |
| 21:19.10 | GeneralAntilles | returnthis, and the webstore is handled through a 3rd party. |
| 21:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | Which is worse. |
| 21:19.13 | crashanddie | AakashPatel: lunch time |
| 21:19.13 | AakashPatel | I couldnt even get to a sales agent about a quetion |
| 21:19.13 | dieg | thank you GeneralAntilles, seriously |
| 21:19.26 | AakashPatel | crashanddie: I called at like 2 pm their time |
| 21:19.31 | returnthis | AakashPatel: so nokiausa != nokia ? |
| 21:19.32 | crashanddie | AakashPatel: lunch time |
| 21:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, sarcasmdar fail? |
| 21:19.38 | AakashPatel | o.O |
| 21:19.40 | AakashPatel | how long is lunch time |
| 21:19.41 | timeless_mbp | needs to call someone again |
| 21:19.48 | ShadowJK | mece, considering that some parts of the world will get 0 maemo5 devices in 2009 ;) |
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| 21:19.56 | crashanddie | AakashPatel: 24 hours a day, but you need to take into account solar drift |
| 21:20.01 | dieg | GeneralAntilles, no sarcasm here :) |
| 21:20.07 | crashanddie | AakashPatel: which can make it vary between 24 and 24 hours |
| 21:20.09 | johnsq | ShadowJK: :9 |
| 21:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, ah, apologies, then. |
| 21:20.19 | AakashPatel | ...confusing sets in |
| 21:20.24 | AakashPatel | ...confusion* |
| 21:20.32 | Myrtti | returnthis: Nokia hasn't been on the direct retail market for that long, most of their sales have gone through third parties, and I'd assume this quite recent decision to sell directly to consumers has seriously left them understaffed, or whatever company they've offshored the service to |
| 21:20.34 | crashanddie | confusing confusion? |
| 21:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, the hordes of entitled, rude, and unpleasant new people lately have thrown off my calibration. :) |
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| 21:20.37 | mece | ShadowJK, heh right. Still, shouldn't be long before one of those fancy (read pointless) slim keyboardless ones will appear I should think. |
| 21:21.04 | dieg | :) |
| 21:21.08 | returnthis | Myrtti: ok. so in other words I am screwed. |
| 21:21.22 | AakashPatel | They're STILL busy |
| 21:21.23 | dieg | I'm running and amd64 Debian, I home i386 flasher works |
| 21:21.32 | mece | returnthis, well screwed, or at least stuck with dealing with crappy service. |
| 21:21.45 | crashanddie | dieg: me home english 2 |
| 21:21.54 | AakashPatel | returnthis: Did you get a refund? |
| 21:21.57 | mece | LOL |
| 21:22.05 | dieg | ouch |
| 21:22.05 | Myrtti | returnthis: no, you just need to be persistant |
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| 21:22.11 | dieg | s/home/hope |
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| 21:22.21 | returnthis | AakashPatel: I have no idea if they charged me or not. |
| 21:22.29 | AakashPatel | They probably didn't |
| 21:22.32 | AakashPatel | Just reorder it |
| 21:22.45 | AakashPatel | And if they did charge you, decline it |
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| 21:23.16 | mece | OH noes! the sdk installer added desktop shortcuts! The horror! |
| 21:23.40 | lbt | desktop? |
| 21:23.42 | qwerty12_N900 | mece: Use the text-based one, then. The GUI one... Ha |
| 21:23.56 | mece | qwerty12_N900, yes. I've learned my lesson now... |
| 21:24.26 | AakashPatel | bahaha still a busy signal |
| 21:24.31 | AakashPatel | way to go nokia |
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| 21:26.55 | Flandry | how is security handled on N900. Is it just assumed that only the user will be able to access it? |
| 21:27.09 | mece | not really |
| 21:27.26 | returnthis | it is truly shocking how bad nokia is |
| 21:27.33 | returnthis | I wish the freerunner didn't suck |
| 21:27.38 | AakashPatel | returnthis: Their support |
| 21:27.41 | dieg | erasing CMT... |
| 21:27.45 | AakashPatel | their products are fine |
| 21:28.17 | returnthis | I am sending them a bill for my time |
| 21:28.19 | mece | Flandry, works pretty much like a regular debian box once you've added some users. |
| 21:28.37 | Flandry | added some users? |
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| 21:28.59 | Flandry | do you create a password and account when you receive it? |
| 21:29.22 | mece | Flandry, with the actual device there is no security outofbox, unfortunately |
| 21:29.34 | Flandry | I'm trying to figure out the relative merits of adding user to a group and making a file group writeable vs just making it all writeable |
| 21:29.35 | mece | Flandry, only for remote accessing |
| 21:29.50 | mece | Flandry, well if you have the ssh server... |
| 21:30.14 | Flandry | ? |
| 21:30.44 | mece | Flandry, there doesn't seem to be any user handling in the UI |
| 21:31.12 | Flandry | my app needs access to /dev/uinput, which is 0660. I could change the udev rule to 0666 or add the user to a group and set uinput to that group |
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| 21:31.41 | mece | Flandry, many apps seem to have their own user |
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| 21:31.54 | Flandry | their own "user"? oO |
| 21:32.04 | mece | Flandry, err |
| 21:32.08 | AakashPatel | uhmm |
| 21:32.19 | javispedro | accesing dbus? couldn't you use xtest? |
| 21:32.21 | mece | Flandry, I don't have the device atm, so I can't look at it. Ok not apps, |
| 21:32.25 | javispedro | er.. dbus. I mean uinput |
| 21:32.38 | RST38h | ah, hello javis |
| 21:32.39 | Flandry | xtest? |
| 21:32.46 | javispedro | hello RST38h |
| 21:32.49 | Flandry | let me see... |
| 21:32.54 | javispedro | Flandry: xtest is used for injecting fake events into X11 |
| 21:32.59 | javispedro | may not be what you want... |
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| 21:33.06 | Flandry | oh |
| 21:33.07 | javispedro | but it can be used as nonroot |
| 21:33.10 | Flandry | not really |
| 21:33.21 | lcuk | buys everyone a beer |
| 21:33.26 | RST38h | Good use for Lenovo notebooks: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_lenovo-test1.jpg |
| 21:33.29 | lcuk | (except for javispedro :p) |
| 21:33.32 | Flandry | i have an accelerometer joystick driver |
| 21:33.39 | Flandry | it uses uinput |
| 21:33.40 | javispedro | lcuk: thanks :) |
| 21:33.47 | dieg | reflashed: mic not working |
| 21:33.56 | mikhas | ah crap |
| 21:34.13 | lcuk | ok, is this a software problem |
| 21:34.24 | dieg | really good impression of Nokia's flagship |
| 21:34.26 | lcuk | i heard mention up there about press button and release |
| 21:34.34 | mikhas | lcuk, can be both |
| 21:34.43 | Flandry | 1000 brownie points for anyone who can find the udev rule on N900 that handles uinput :/ |
| 21:34.43 | lcuk | i mean now in diegs case |
| 21:34.49 | mikhas | I can solve mine with above procedure |
| 21:34.54 | mikhas | others ... cannot |
| 21:34.58 | lcuk | so you also have this issue? |
| 21:34.59 | dieg | lcuk, what button? this thing is full of buttons |
| 21:35.09 | lcuk | has bug been filed |
| 21:35.16 | AakashPatel | dieg: What do you mean |
| 21:35.17 | lcuk | dieg, in the phone call ui |
| 21:35.21 | lcuk | there is a mute button |
| 21:35.23 | cosmo | does mer run on n900? |
| 21:35.24 | AakashPatel | dieg: really good impression of Nokia's flagship |
| 21:35.28 | Flandry | gah |
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| 21:35.37 | lbt | cosmo: yes |
| 21:35.41 | cosmo | the status page doesn't mention 900 |
| 21:35.43 | dieg | lcuk, toggling mic during call doesn't solve it |
| 21:35.46 | Flandry | trying to develop for this on the SDK is a joke :P |
| 21:35.49 | qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules |
| 21:35.53 | lcuk | mikhas, which bug is it saved as |
| 21:36.09 | lcuk | :( dieg thats rly unfortunate |
| 21:36.10 | Flandry | qwerty12_N900: thanks, what's it say? |
| 21:36.29 | qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: Found in the aptly named "udev" package =) |
| 21:36.35 | dieg | I'm really disappointed |
| 21:36.46 | dieg | I can't believe this is a hardware problem |
| 21:36.54 | mikhas | lcuk, no idea if there is already one. I only skimmed through that one t.m.o thread yesterday |
| 21:36.57 | Flandry | it's not in kubuntu |
| 21:37.00 | dieg | Not in a 600€ Nokia phone |
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| 21:37.06 | AakashPatel | Are many poeple experiencing a mic problem? |
| 21:37.06 | qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: Sorry, too tired to pastebin |
| 21:37.17 | qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: Look in the SDK, of course |
| 21:37.18 | lcuk | mikhas, then could you go onto bugs.maemo.org and see if there is a specific bug about the mic |
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| 21:37.22 | lcuk | there bloody well should be by now |
| 21:37.25 | dieg | AakashPatel, at least me! |
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| 21:37.35 | AakashPatel | There's awhole thread on TMO |
| 21:37.51 | dieg | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35075 |
| 21:37.54 | dieg | I know |
| 21:37.57 | AakashPatel | Yep |
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| 21:38.09 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: Plus a shitton of posts in unrelated threads thanks to nuknuk |
| 21:38.11 | AakashPatel | hopes his doesnt have it |
| 21:38.13 | dieg | but there isn't solution |
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| 21:38.15 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, where'd you order from? |
| 21:38.26 | AakashPatel | qwerty12_N900: Is there any moderation going on? |
| 21:38.31 | dieg | Nokia Spain Shop GeneralAntilles |
| 21:38.42 | dieg | ordered 3/09 |
| 21:38.43 | javispedro | ah |
| 21:38.46 | AakashPatel | o.O |
| 21:38.50 | AakashPatel | dieg: 3/09??? |
| 21:38.51 | dieg | and now: hardware error |
| 21:38.56 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: Some, but the game really needs stepping up |
| 21:38.58 | Flandry | hmm it is there alright, just doesn't do anything |
| 21:39.02 | dieg | 3rd Sep |
| 21:39.04 | AakashPatel | qwerty12_N900: Seriously |
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| 21:39.36 | AakashPatel | The N900 has 2 mic? |
| 21:39.37 | AakashPatel | s |
| 21:39.46 | lcuk | will be speaking to people in barcelona about reining the fora in |
| 21:39.58 | returnthis | wait. are they actually delivering n900? |
| 21:40.23 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: For example, there was this guy named "God". Guy was whining about how he should leave. People voted yes. He then proceeded to make Talk popup dialogs using JS. Reggie gave him a 10 day ban |
| 21:40.24 | Flandry | haha |
| 21:40.24 | lcuk | yes and they are being used happily by the majority |
| 21:40.30 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: not even a perm. one |
| 21:40.32 | Flandry | rein in the fauna while you're at it |
| 21:40.37 | returnthis | so if I cancel my preorder and order it, I won't lose my place. it will just be shipped |
| 21:40.40 | javispedro | and then he came back. |
| 21:40.43 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, really come on, you cannot ban god forever |
| 21:40.47 | lcuk | you dont know the repurcussions |
| 21:40.50 | javispedro | yes you can |
| 21:40.55 | javispedro | it's very easy actually |
| 21:41.01 | javispedro | just stop praying for your n900 to arrive |
| 21:41.06 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:41.24 | AakashPatel | qwerty12_N900: Start a moderation thread ;) |
| 21:41.29 | timeless_mbp | looks for testers |
| 21:41.37 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Note I used quote marks? |
| 21:42.02 | dieg | So, this is a hardware problem |
| 21:42.13 | dieg | so, tomorrow I'll call nokia care |
| 21:42.14 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: I nominate you to be the first poster in i |
| 21:42.15 | qwerty12_N900 | t |
| 21:42.24 | dieg | I want another N900 by this friday |
| 21:42.42 | javispedro | go extort it for someone. |
| 21:42.47 | AakashPatel | qwerty12_N900: Haha to make the thread? |
| 21:42.50 | javispedro | s/for/from :) |
| 21:43.09 | RST38h | What? God is back? |
| 21:43.14 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: Sure. I'll put my vote down for you |
| 21:43.19 | javispedro | RST38h: in a sense, he was never gone. |
| 21:43.25 | mece | RST38h, yes. |
| 21:43.33 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: (and then proceed to take a shitload of medication afterwards) |
| 21:43.37 | AakashPatel | Okay sweet, i'll write one up tomorrow even after my n900 (hopefully arrives) |
| 21:43.44 | Flandry | i remember seeings something about the policy of using "maemo" in app names. Link anyone? |
| 21:44.07 | AakashPatel | qwerty12_N900: Tynonol ftw |
| 21:44.14 | mikhas | lcuk, there is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455 |
| 21:44.15 | povbot | Bug 6455: Mic doesn't work after a full charge with standard n900 charger |
| 21:44.27 | AakashPatel | qwerty12_N900: what section should i put it in |
| 21:44.29 | javispedro | Flandry: "maemo packing policy" |
| 21:44.34 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: Oh, thanks for the tip! |
| 21:44.38 | Flandry | ah thanks |
| 21:44.41 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: Dunno, I was joking |
| 21:44.42 | javispedro | Flandry: err, "Maemo Packaging Policy", sorry |
| 21:44.47 | AakashPatel | qwerty12_N900: haha you suck |
| 21:44.52 | mikhas | but from my reading of the t.m.o thread there is more than one thing that can affect the mic though |
| 21:45.00 | RST38h | javispedro: definitely a ban |
| 21:45.04 | mikhas | comment/file more bugs? |
| 21:45.09 | AakashPatel | "qwerty12_N900: AakashPatel: Oh, thanks for the tip!" |
| 21:45.14 | AakashPatel | huh? |
| 21:45.17 | Flandry | has yet to unravel the secrets of searching m.o |
| 21:45.28 | mikhas | flandry, you cant search |
| 21:45.33 | mikhas | you have to READ =) |
| 21:45.52 | mikhas | well, perhaps google can help with a site search |
| 21:45.54 | Flandry | i've read that several times |
| 21:45.58 | qwerty12_N900 | AakashPatel: Tylenol |
| 21:46.03 | AakashPatel | oh haha |
| 21:46.21 | qwerty12_N900 | I will dedicate the OD to you |
| 21:46.22 | Flandry | i did a google search and found stuff on the trademark usage |
| 21:46.36 | AakashPatel | hahaha |
| 21:46.41 | Flandry | but really actually searching m.o is futile |
| 21:46.43 | AakashPatel | How do i boot into the bootloader of the n900 |
| 21:46.47 | AakashPatel | If i wanted to reflash it |
| 21:46.49 | nhg | Does anyone know if the N900 uses the DSP for multimedia usecases? |
| 21:47.14 | mikhas | for some codecs it does |
| 21:47.41 | dieg | ... |
| 21:47.45 | mikhas | not sure about the ogg support though ... havent tried it after reflashing |
| 21:47.46 | woglinde | nhg google for n900 dsp theora h264 |
| 21:47.50 | woglinde | and gstreamer |
| 21:47.52 | woglinde | sorry |
| 21:47.53 | dieg | this is a f****** s*** !!!!!! |
| 21:48.00 | nhg | mikhas: Do you know if it uses GST-DSP or some other method? |
| 21:48.01 | dieg | I want a working phone! |
| 21:48.02 | dieg | :( |
| 21:48.04 | mikhas | dieg, just turn it in under warranty |
| 21:48.05 | dieg | :''''''''( |
| 21:48.12 | mece | dieg, does xterm work? |
| 21:48.27 | woglinde | nhg gstreamer with omap3 dsp bridge support |
| 21:48.28 | dieg | mikhas, I don't want to wait another month! |
| 21:48.29 | mikhas | nhg, I have no clue |
| 21:48.30 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, post in the signal to noise thread |
| 21:48.32 | dieg | yes mece |
| 21:48.33 | lcuk | or make a new one |
| 21:48.35 | lcuk | its on brainstorm |
| 21:48.40 | lcuk | theres 33 replies |
| 21:48.44 | lcuk | so it will be heavy going |
| 21:48.52 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Don't have time for Brainstorm |
| 21:48.53 | lcuk | it needs a proper brainstorm linking with it |
| 21:49.08 | woglinde | nhg its not the gstreamer stuff from ti directly |
| 21:49.14 | mikhas | dieg, your frustration is understandable, but that's what warranty is for |
| 21:49.22 | nhg | woglinde: do you know if its gst-dsp or gst-openmax? |
| 21:49.36 | woglinde | nhg hm wasnt sure |
| 21:49.37 | mikhas | as a customer, you shouldnt be left behind with a borken device |
| 21:49.39 | mece | dieg, if xterm workm your golden. The rest is just for commercials ;-) |
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| 21:49.45 | woglinde | started with openmax |
| 21:49.46 | pekuja | dieg: there's always a failure rate with complicated devices such as the N900 |
| 21:49.54 | woglinde | and now seems gst-dsp is involved |
| 21:50.01 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, i just started writing a brainstorm thread myself but it was already there. |
| 21:50.01 | woglinde | but I will google for you now |
| 21:50.11 | qwerty12_N900 | And? |
| 21:50.13 | lcuk | i wouldv added to the signal/noise ratio myself |
| 21:50.37 | lcuk | was just about to submit too lol |
| 21:50.42 | dieg | pekuja, the failure rate must be near 0 in devices of such a HIGH cost |
| 21:50.43 | nhg | as I understand gst-dsp is relatively new...so I wonder if its in the released N900 devices. |
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| 21:50.51 | mikhas | dieg, impossible |
| 21:50.57 | javispedro | "Dell Defect Turning 2.2GHz CPU Into 100MHz CPU" |
| 21:51.03 | woglinde | nhg hm its side project |
| 21:51.32 | nhg | so I assume N900 may be using all ARM codecs? |
| 21:51.33 | AakashPatel | Haha javispedro |
| 21:51.36 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: It's for the people to live out their nostalgic feelings |
| 21:52.05 | pekuja | dieg: the problem is, while it is more expensive, it's also more complicated than most devices |
| 21:52.12 | derf | High failure rates drive UP costs. |
| 21:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | dieg, ask iPhone owners how high their failure rate is. ;) |
| 21:52.13 | pekuja | dieg: so there will be problems |
| 21:52.18 | javispedro | I am sure it's still faster than the N810 pushing video to screen =) |
| 21:52.23 | woglinde | nhg -> http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ |
| 21:52.28 | pekuja | dieg: also, if yours is the only one that's broken, that's still a pretty low failure rate |
| 21:52.28 | dieg | mikhas, I simply can't believe that they didn't test the mic before shipping this device |
| 21:52.37 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Wow. Well played, sir |
| 21:52.39 | mikhas | they did |
| 21:52.51 | mikhas | it works just fine for many others here |
| 21:53.14 | dieg | pekuja, only mine? I think you must know what you are talinkg about before talking |
| 21:53.24 | mikhas | but hardware issues are just that ... hardware issues. you could of course gamble on a software update if it is *not* hw. but why take that risk? |
| 21:53.36 | woglinde | hm something new on omap2 gles stuff? |
| 21:53.36 | nhg | woglinde: thanks...have seen that link...but was wondering if N900 is actually using it. |
| 21:53.45 | woglinde | nhg not offical |
| 21:53.50 | pekuja | dieg: I don't, but neither do you. |
| 21:53.51 | woglinde | as far as I know |
| 21:53.59 | pekuja | dieg: I haven't heard of other cases like that. |
| 21:54.24 | javispedro | "The problem can be substantially mitigated by pointing an external fan at the system." aah.. |
| 21:54.24 | pekuja | dieg: I'm saying you may be exaggarating the situation because your device is broken |
| 21:54.25 | nhg | is there a good place where I can find out which codecs are using the DSP officially on N900? |
| 21:54.25 | dieg | pekuja, .... |
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| 21:54.26 | dieg | pekuja, start reading: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35075 |
| 21:54.34 | javispedro | I wonder how much the battery will last in 100Mhz mode |
| 21:54.43 | lcuk | posted in the s/n thread for kathy |
| 21:54.57 | javispedro | even though if it's an overheating protection probably not much .. |
| 21:55.00 | brbrbr | warmly greet anyone[except Xenu, maybe ;] |
| 21:55.01 | dieg | pekuja, I repeat: start working and know what your are talking about |
| 21:56.10 | pekuja | dieg: start working? |
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| 21:56.22 | dieg | oh god |
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| 21:56.38 | javispedro | lcuk: do you seriously want to do something in bcn about tmo's s/n ratio? |
| 21:56.46 | javispedro | will have to remember to bring in the popcorn ;) |
| 21:56.48 | lcuk | no i just want to have a beer with kathy |
| 21:56.54 | javispedro | ah, that's better :) |
| 21:56.55 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Does your idea involve guns? |
| 21:57.09 | andre__ | guns? WMD! |
| 21:57.18 | lcuk | if we can do it in an official capacity with an agenda perhaps one of hte nokians present will put bartab on them lol |
| 21:57.24 | qwerty12_N900 | Target: Andre's house |
| 21:57.38 | javispedro | my idea (which I have not published yet) involves stricter moderation with an official set of etiquette rules |
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| 21:57.58 | javispedro | like, an Oct2009er cannot insult a preJun2009er. |
| 21:58.00 | lcuk | i think offtopic posters should have an omg pinies theme locked on their talk pages |
| 21:58.06 | lcuk | it was discussed for trolls on slashdot |
| 21:58.07 | qwerty12_N900 | andre__: Thank you :) |
| 21:58.12 | lcuk | omg ponies |
| 21:58.14 | lcuk | gah |
| 21:58.18 | javispedro | mwahaha |
| 21:58.20 | andre__ | qwerty12_N900, my house, again? good that I'm in the office currently :) |
| 21:58.39 | mikhas | how is the bugmaster dealing with the flies, andre__? |
| 21:58.51 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900 / lcuk : so um... i've updated my translation packages |
| 21:58.57 | mikhas | eh, wrong channel I guess =p |
| 21:59.08 | andre__ | mikhas: all eaten. where are you by the way? on holidays? yeah, probably wrong channel ;-) |
| 21:59.10 | timeless_mbp | sadly the versioning stuff is kinda bad, if you guys could pull in the package updates that'd be great :) |
| 21:59.22 | sp3000 | enjoys the charging magic aspect of the mic thread |
| 21:59.30 | mikhas | lcuk, daily cleansing of the forum db, how is that? at least no one could say you're censoring |
| 21:59.37 | timeless_mbp | goes back to looking at clock |
| 21:59.45 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: btw, the clock app is awesome in the build i have |
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| 21:59.52 | timeless_mbp | i believe it's the same in the build you have |
| 22:00.02 | lcuk | mikhas, i dont like censorship, if a person wants to read every single line of text writter there great |
| 22:00.12 | lcuk | but there should be a way for posts to be moderated |
| 22:00.23 | timeless_mbp | it seems that roughly all of the the cities in continental North America north of Tijuana/Miami are misplaced |
| 22:00.24 | kalikiana | Finally, Midori shows up in apt and on maemo.org |
| 22:00.25 | lcuk | and to show only the highest by default :) |
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| 22:00.35 | lcuk | "thanks" is a good one |
| 22:00.39 | javispedro | i think any tmo s/n plan should base on allowing each user to select the forums he wants to select for the "active topics" view |
| 22:00.45 | lcuk | the default fora view might only show thanked entries |
| 22:00.45 | mikhas | there might need to be a filtered area if we are aexpected to read it, yeah |
| 22:00.47 | javispedro | and enforcing proper subforum separation |
| 22:00.58 | lcuk | that would improve the s/n drastically |
| 22:00.59 | javispedro | like, no idiots posts in development forums |
| 22:01.02 | lcuk | for random viewers |
| 22:01.27 | lcuk | logged in users can switch to view all etc |
| 22:01.32 | lcuk | and join in the live conversation |
| 22:01.38 | crashanddie | lcuk: or rated 3 stars or more by people who have a positive t/p ratio |
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| 22:01.44 | lcuk | no |
| 22:01.50 | lcuk | that needs new options and db stuff |
| 22:01.58 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Say hi to hash error |
| 22:02.00 | lcuk | we have thanks that works |
| 22:02.01 | javispedro | the slashdot system has a problem though, it tends to promote "spectacular" posts instead of "right" wrongs |
| 22:02.02 | mikhas | well, so what you want is so.com? |
| 22:02.03 | pekuja | dieg: a forum thread is hardly a statistic. I don't think anyone not handling returns or repairs knows what the failure rate is really like. This sort of thing happens with most new high-tech devices at the beginning. It does suck. I hope I don't get that problem, and I hope you can get a new one promptly. |
| 22:02.08 | javispedro | s/wrongs/ones |
| 22:02.14 | lcuk | javispedro, it would happen everywhere |
| 22:02.17 | lcuk | by popular vote |
| 22:02.25 | kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, hash error? |
| 22:02.32 | lcuk | sure, but thats therefore our jobs as thankers |
| 22:02.41 | lcuk | to mark good quality items |
| 22:02.46 | lcuk | which we seem to do |
| 22:02.53 | lcuk | the thread ranking isnt worth it |
| 22:02.59 | lcuk | cos thats for the overall thread |
| 22:03.13 | lcuk | nd doesnt relaly give much knowledge of whats inside |
| 22:03.20 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: "No Hash entry in Release file..." Basically, as per-usual, extras-devel has messed up |
| 22:03.20 | kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, you mean it took long because it had a wrong checksum? |
| 22:03.25 | kalikiana | oh |
| 22:03.33 | javispedro | it's too late for tmo, save yourselves! |
| 22:03.41 | lcuk | no its not |
| 22:03.45 | mikhas | hahaha |
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| 22:03.53 | lcuk | i would be really interested to see a quick test on the thanked view |
| 22:04.09 | lcuk | the data exists |
| 22:04.15 | lcuk | and we would know if it would work |
| 22:04.20 | lcuk | for a general outsiders view on the forums |
| 22:04.31 | SpeedEvil | My free n900's mic works. |
| 22:04.43 | SpeedEvil | checks bank account again to see if they've unscrewed it. |
| 22:04.52 | mikhas | theory: the mic doesnt work if you have to pay for your n900? |
| 22:05.13 | lcuk | overruled. i paid with blood |
| 22:05.18 | lcuk | and my mic still works |
| 22:05.56 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: you got yours already? |
| 22:05.56 | mikhas | perhaps that does the trick, yeah. did you give your soul, too? |
| 22:06.07 | SpeedEvil | nope. |
| 22:06.08 | woglinde | lcuk hasnt a soul at all |
| 22:06.12 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:06.23 | lcuk | not after you destroyed it with packaging |
| 22:06.27 | qwerty12_N900 | andre__: "Note to Andre: Drop your non-public Nokia stuff here" - so, like, where is it? :P |
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| 22:07.14 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: yes. Ordered on the 20th of oct, they took money on the 23rd of nov, it arrived on the 30th (today) - and they put the money back. |
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| 22:07.29 | SpeedEvil | Which was a little odd. |
| 22:07.37 | javispedro | one shouldn't worry about that. |
| 22:07.44 | javispedro | they'll get the money one way of the other |
| 22:07.48 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 22:08.02 | andre__ | qwerty12_N900, in my pocket. But it's useless to publish it as it only makes sense for people with access to the internal database anyway... |
| 22:08.11 | SpeedEvil | They have the right to come in and take it if I don't pay. (reading the website T&Cs :) |
| 22:08.16 | andre__ | qwerty12_N900, you actually read code? no other hobbies, eh? ;-) |
| 22:08.47 | qwerty12_N900 | andre__: Oh, I read it, I just don't promise to understand it =) |
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| 22:09.02 | johnsq | andre__: reading code of others is good for learning |
| 22:09.11 | andre__ | qwerty12_N900, I have the same problem here, I simply don't get my code ;-) |
| 22:09.35 | Shapeshifter | I think the word "dealbreaker" should be erased from the English language |
| 22:09.43 | javispedro | remembers the celerity (hours) of his uni to collect money when grants expire, and the slowness (years) to return the money when grants are renewed |
| 22:11.07 | Vink_ | Hi |
| 22:11.28 | SpeedEvil | ih |
| 22:11.43 | simula__ | that shapeshifter, would be a dealbreaker |
| 22:11.47 | Vink_ | Does maeno use a stripdown Xserver |
| 22:12.10 | Vink_ | what windowing system does it use? |
| 22:12.28 | SpeedEvil | X |
| 22:12.46 | johnsq | Vink_: just complete X11 |
| 22:12.47 | kynky | xorg |
| 22:13.00 | kynky | as opposed to xfree86 |
| 22:13.16 | Vink_ | isn't that too heavy/ big for phone devices |
| 22:13.23 | Vink_ | does the phone appear slow/ |
| 22:13.24 | SpeedEvil | Vink_: This is not a phone. |
| 22:13.28 | Vink_ | ? |
| 22:13.29 | kynky | its super smooth |
| 22:13.33 | SpeedEvil | Vink_: It's a cutting edge desktop system of 10 years ago. |
| 22:13.34 | kynky | is a mid |
| 22:13.47 | aSIMULAtor | ugh i found something annoying |
| 22:13.49 | Vink_ | N900 ? |
| 22:13.49 | javispedro | hey, I find that a great definition actually :) |
| 22:13.50 | johnsq | Vink_: x11 did run on old 386 cpus with 33mhz |
| 22:13.59 | aSIMULAtor | i'm calling a US 1 877 number |
| 22:14.01 | aSIMULAtor | with skype |
| 22:14.02 | aSIMULAtor | on the n900 |
| 22:14.04 | Vink_ | I know its a debian derived |
| 22:14.07 | aSIMULAtor | and it doesn't support dtmf dialpad |
| 22:14.15 | aSIMULAtor | when it asks you "press 1 for your mom press 2 for your arse" etc |
| 22:14.28 | jebbajeb1 | this thing is the greatest fone ever. Just got my n900 |
| 22:14.29 | Vink_ | maemo 5? |
| 22:14.40 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: that's supposed to be fixed in a later service release |
| 22:14.51 | timeless_mbp | find someone who has a vpn and grab an updated version :) |
| 22:14.58 | aSIMULAtor | which release? |
| 22:15.03 | timeless_mbp | but beware of downgrade issues on the cellmo |
| 22:15.09 | timeless_mbp | um, good question |
| 22:15.15 | timeless_mbp | dunno |
| 22:15.19 | qwerty12_N900 | "Ability to connect with ones' arse, fixed for aSIMULAtor" |
| 22:15.28 | aSIMULAtor | ohhhhhh i'm soooooooooo pissed |
| 22:15.32 | aSIMULAtor | i ordered some clothes |
| 22:15.36 | aSIMULAtor | and they cancelled my friggin order |
| 22:15.46 | Stskeeps | this is how people feel with n900s, aSIMULAtor |
| 22:15.49 | timeless_mbp | who would cancel an order for clothes? |
| 22:15.56 | timeless_mbp | and why? |
| 22:15.57 | aSIMULAtor | pacsun.com |
| 22:16.08 | aSIMULAtor | ok i tried to order first with my cc, and get it shipped to my parents in california |
| 22:16.10 | aSIMULAtor | and they were like FAIL |
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| 22:16.16 | aSIMULAtor | then i called my sister and asked for her cc |
| 22:16.23 | aSIMULAtor | and i used it to order, then get it shipped to hers |
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| 22:16.31 | aSIMULAtor | and cause i ordered from an IP address outside of the US |
| 22:16.34 | aSIMULAtor | they cancelled the order |
| 22:16.38 | aSIMULAtor | so now i'm going to bitch at them for being pricks |
| 22:16.41 | aSIMULAtor | and PWN THEM |
| 22:16.45 | woglinde | hihi |
| 22:16.50 | aSIMULAtor | like you did that one time to elisa customer service :D |
| 22:16.54 | aSIMULAtor | ahha that was great fun |
| 22:17.03 | aSIMULAtor | one of the highlights of the year 2009 |
| 22:17.15 | kynky | intresting year? |
| 22:17.16 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 22:17.34 | aSIMULAtor | we still talk about it |
| 22:17.36 | lcuk | i see aSIMULAtor has had a funpacked year :p |
| 22:17.40 | aSIMULAtor | oh yeah totally |
| 22:17.53 | aSIMULAtor | it's just refreshing though to hear an american pwn finnish customer service |
| 22:17.56 | aSIMULAtor | i did that last week |
| 22:18.11 | aSIMULAtor | i complained about the drivers license theory test |
| 22:18.15 | aSIMULAtor | and the english |
| 22:18.18 | aSIMULAtor | like WTF OK |
| 22:18.23 | aSIMULAtor | tell me if u guys know what "dipped headlights" are |
| 22:18.25 | lcuk | throws lighter across the room gruffly |
| 22:18.30 | Vink_ | what is the Desktop Environment on N900? |
| 22:18.38 | timeless_mbp | Vink_: um, undefined? |
| 22:18.46 | frals | stops lurking and heads back to the endless fun of Java RMI |
| 22:18.47 | timeless_mbp | we don't have Gnome or KDE |
| 22:18.56 | timeless_mbp | we use clutter as a window magic system |
| 22:18.59 | timeless_mbp | and gtk apps |
| 22:19.00 | woglinde | frals hehe |
| 22:19.05 | woglinde | frals dhcp |
| 22:19.27 | kynky | with qt apps in the future |
| 22:19.38 | lcuk | and everything in between |
| 22:19.41 | mece | well in the present to some extent... |
| 22:19.41 | frals | :) |
| 22:19.44 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Hildon. ;) |
| 22:19.53 | timeless_mbp | err yeah, um hildon |
| 22:20.55 | VDVsx | *hildon-desktop :) |
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| 22:21.16 | qwerty12_N900 | hildon-home, hildon-status-menu =) |
| 22:21.21 | Chani | there's a Plasma shell being worked on too (in kde not nokia, of course) |
| 22:21.27 | javispedro | hildon-desktop is the wm, but the whole DE should be "hildon" |
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| 22:21.37 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 22:21.43 | kynky | how much space, do ppl typically have left on root (df -h), i have about 44MB |
| 22:21.54 | timeless_mbp | it's simpler to say "there isn't a DE like the DEs you know, so stop dreaming in desktop terms, this isn't a desktop" |
| 22:22.03 | Vink_ | how much is the memory footprint with all the stuff: clutter, full X11 on the Nokia 900 |
| 22:22.06 | timeless_mbp | kynky: seems about right |
| 22:22.06 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: TBH, I always think of the widgets when I hear "Hildon" |
| 22:22.07 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, no, just Hildon. |
| 22:22.12 | SpeedEvil | 62M at the momemt |
| 22:22.29 | javispedro | so if isn't a desktop and it isn't a phone, what's that thing everyone's talking about? |
| 22:22.34 | timeless_mbp | i have 67 atm on my newly flashed n900 |
| 22:22.49 | SpeedEvil | Vink_: typically a thirdish of RAM in use it looks like. |
| 22:23.01 | SpeedEvil | Vink_: minus buffers, cache |
| 22:23.07 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, he asked for the DE not the wm :P |
| 22:23.38 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yes, Hildon is the DE. |
| 22:23.57 | Vink_ | SpeedEvil, do you have any wiki link etc that consolidates all this? |
| 22:24.11 | SpeedEvil | Vink_: No. wiki.maemo.org may be worth a loo |
| 22:24.14 | SpeedEvil | look |
| 22:24.19 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 22:24.27 | timeless_mbp | must have broken the clock |
| 22:24.34 | woglinde | uh |
| 22:24.37 | VDVsx | doesn't likes hildon, very much :P |
| 22:24.41 | woglinde | another n900 goes down |
| 22:24.46 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless: You made it true to your name? |
| 22:24.57 | SpeedEvil | VDVsx: Just get KDE working on it. |
| 22:24.58 | moo-_- | timeless_mbp: back from the future? :) |
| 22:25.02 | Ceron^ | qwerty12_N900: give n900 |
| 22:25.23 | hardaker | yells "yippie" and begins to open box |
| 22:25.26 | Ceron^ | _still not in store_ |
| 22:25.27 | qwerty12_N900 | Ceron^: Sword fight! (*shoots Ceron^*) |
| 22:25.29 | VDVsx | SpeedEvil, buhhhh |
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| 22:25.37 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 22:26.00 | Ceron^ | qwerty12_N900: unfair |
| 22:26.10 | kynky | cheers |
| 22:26.25 | qwerty12_N900 | Ceron^: I'm just teaching you one of life's rules |
| 22:26.36 | Vink_ | I have a omap evm board, will it work on that board |
| 22:26.50 | Vink_ | 512 MB ram, 512 nand |
| 22:27.00 | VDVsx | SpeedEvil, I like the 'apparency' of the system, don't like hildon as a dev 'framework' (from a dev POV) |
| 22:27.16 | Stskeeps | Vink_: |
| 22:27.16 | Stskeeps | ~mer |
| 22:27.17 | infobot | i heard mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 22:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, the WM is Matchbox2 |
| 22:27.36 | Stskeeps | or, maybe, http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_on_OMAP_Project |
| 22:27.43 | lcuk | hey Stskeeps im sure you are on a commission for those guys :p |
| 22:27.44 | kynky | gotta say q3a arena runs alot better than i thought it would |
| 22:27.52 | Stskeeps | lcuk: damn straight |
| 22:27.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:27.58 | moo-_- | kynky: are there sane conrols for it? |
| 22:28.08 | moo-_- | controls |
| 22:28.17 | kynky | moo-_-, i was surprised how easy it was to play |
| 22:28.24 | lcuk | keeps ctrl c'ing irc |
| 22:28.27 | lcuk | hope it doenst break it |
| 22:28.37 | moo-_- | kynky: against bots? :) |
| 22:28.43 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, afaik is a very modified version of matchbox, a derivate |
| 22:28.56 | kynky | accelerometer for moving, proximity sensor for fire, can use cursor keys for move and touch screen for look |
| 22:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | Well, sure, but it's sure not Hildon. :P |
| 22:29.13 | kynky | moo-_-, played on internet and single player |
| 22:29.15 | moo-_- | ah. very nice trick with proximity sensor. |
| 22:29.25 | moo-_- | kynky: is proximity sensor "analog control" |
| 22:29.31 | moo-_- | i.e. it has linear response? |
| 22:29.35 | kynky | its just fire |
| 22:29.41 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, well, they name it hildon-desktop |
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| 22:29.46 | kynky | afaict |
| 22:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, libmatchbox2 |
| 22:30.36 | mece | is quake 2 (whatever it was called on previous maemo versions) ported to fremantle btw? |
| 22:30.43 | Flandry | N900 owner: what does groups return? |
| 22:32.05 | Vink_ | @Stskeeps, I already have ubuntu running on my arm board Cortex A9 |
| 22:32.08 | lcuk | curses c for forcing ; |
| 22:32.09 | SpeedEvil | groups |
| 22:32.09 | SpeedEvil | sh: groups: not found |
| 22:32.24 | Stskeeps | Vink_: then it's an easy step up |
| 22:32.50 | Vink_ | yes, I though so, havent tried yet |
| 22:32.57 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, "Hildon desktop, the window manager, application launcher and switcher program." |
| 22:34.00 | Vink_ | were you able to run maemo 5 on the omap board then? |
| 22:34.22 | VDVsx | and yes, it uses matchbox as a base, afaik |
| 22:34.30 | Stskeeps | Vink_: on zoom2 and beagle so far. there's a bug with newest SDK though |
| 22:34.45 | lcuk | oh bollocks |
| 22:35.10 | lcuk | i wrote a function which is deep in the system and it does a very nice thing, but now i need to change the functionality of it and its gonna be annoying |
| 22:35.12 | Vink_ | oh cool, let me try on my zoom2 board |
| 22:35.33 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: No pain, no gain |
| 22:35.34 | Stskeeps | Vink_: bug meaning it won't make a booting X right now until we fix the sgx patch for the kernel |
| 22:36.25 | Vink_ | oh, then its no good |
| 22:36.40 | Stskeeps | Vink_: give us a week and it should be better |
| 22:36.40 | lcuk | curious, github isnt indexed properly by google |
| 22:36.41 | Vink_ | when is it expected to be patched? |
| 22:36.45 | lardman | Stskeeps: did you get any reply btw? |
| 22:36.57 | Stskeeps | lardman: none yet |
| 22:37.12 | lardman | ok |
| 22:38.02 | Vink_ | I have the Nvidia Tegra 2 |
| 22:38.14 | Vink_ | any hopes of running on that? |
| 22:38.35 | Stskeeps | what instruction set is that? |
| 22:38.50 | Stskeeps | dual cortex a9? |
| 22:39.00 | Stskeeps | for Mer, sure, not sure about m5 |
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| 22:39.30 | Vink_ | yes, dual cortex A9 |
| 22:39.42 | Vink_ | I have the beta board |
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| 22:39.54 | Stskeeps | mer needs a working kernel and a Xorg, and even better if gles2 exists |
| 22:39.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 22:41.40 | arachnist | huh |
| 22:42.36 | arachnist | mmcb1k0p1 being a vfat is *bad* |
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| 22:42.56 | arachnist | i couldn't even put Sky Blue 720p rip on it :/ |
| 22:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ew Tegra |
| 22:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | arachnist, it doesn't really playback 720p anyway. |
| 22:43.49 | arachnist | well, mplayer complains |
| 22:43.54 | lardman | hmm, just realised I broke portrait mode in mbarcode, time to fire up the Linux box and get fixing |
| 22:43.55 | lardman | bbiam |
| 22:44.31 | Vink_ | what hardware does N900 use? |
| 22:44.44 | ShadowJK | omap3 |
| 22:44.46 | andre__ | Vink_, http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ |
| 22:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 |
| 22:47.18 | Vink_ | omap zoom2 board has the same specs |
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| 22:47.31 | jaem_n810 | timeless_mbp, poke |
| 22:47.43 | timeless_mbp | counter poke |
| 22:47.57 | Vink_ | dumbass question: Why doesn't X work on omap zoom 2? |
| 22:48.17 | jaem_n810 | so, that Nokia dev says my code shouldn't work, but it does |
| 22:48.27 | jaem_n810 | which leaves me vaguely confused |
| 22:48.58 | Stskeeps | Vink_: in our port? simple, in the last SDK update they suddenly updated the SGX module in kernel on us :) |
| 22:49.11 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 22:49.15 | jaem_n810 | he said that the bt_ui code uses unicast DBus signals, which he said are nonstandard |
| 22:49.29 | jaem_n810 | and that I'd have to use libdbus directly |
| 22:49.39 | jaem_n810 | but it works |
| 22:49.39 | jaem_n810 | huh |
| 22:53.08 | Tyrant91101 | is maemo5 capable of running on another embedded system as long as its arm cortex? |
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| 22:53.59 | timeless_mbp | Tyrant91101: eh? |
| 22:54.16 | Flandry | can't find where it talks about testing and what can reset the tests. Is it uploading a new version to extras-devel or promoting a new version to testing? |
| 22:54.23 | moo-_- | Tyrant91101: i believe not |
| 22:54.32 | moo-_- | there are more in hw than just cpu |
| 22:54.36 | moo-_- | and chipset |
| 22:54.43 | ShadowJK | ~mer |
| 22:54.44 | infobot | mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 22:54.46 | timeless_mbp | moo-_-: what do you mean? |
| 22:54.49 | timeless_mbp | err |
| 22:55.02 | Tyrant91101 | Well I mean given that the drivers/apps are updated for whatever the other hardware is |
| 22:55.03 | timeless_mbp | Tyrant91101: so.... maemo5 is kinda lots of things to lots of people |
| 22:55.17 | timeless_mbp | hypothetically someone w/ full source access could port it to another arm device |
| 22:55.37 | timeless_mbp | if the screen is 2px by 2px |
| 22:55.40 | timeless_mbp | then no, maemo5 won't work there |
| 22:55.44 | moo-_- | Tyrant91101: if you want complete open start point, try openmoko and openembedded |
| 22:55.48 | timeless_mbp | and if it's 2million px by 2million px |
| 22:55.53 | lcuk | timeless, but we could make a disco app for it |
| 22:55.57 | moo-_- | they have been succefully ported |
| 22:55.57 | timeless_mbp | then maemo5 will probably not work well there |
| 22:56.18 | lcuk | wow timeless what would oyu fill a 2million*2million display with |
| 22:56.23 | lcuk | has ideas |
| 22:56.26 | Stskeeps | liqbase, of course |
| 22:56.31 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: i don't want to know |
| 22:56.46 | Tyrant91101 | Where would you get a bus that can send data fast enough |
| 22:56.47 | lcuk | :D Stskeeps |
| 22:57.02 | lcuk | Tyrant91101, collaborative networked machines of course |
| 22:57.17 | lcuk | each one just another brick in the wall |
| 22:57.44 | Tyrant91101 | You mean corraborative controllers and seperate lcd panels? |
| 22:57.53 | lcuk | ponders holymoly2 |
| 22:58.00 | lcuk | Tyrant91101, whatever is practical |
| 22:58.17 | Tyrant91101 | i dont think a 2 terapixel display is practical period :P |
| 22:58.21 | lcuk | Tyrant91101, the n900 is nice and brick sized |
| 22:58.39 | lcuk | Tyrant91101, it really depends on what you want on the display |
| 22:58.57 | lcuk | if you had an array of 100*100 N900s and they were showing a small piece of the same puzzle |
| 22:59.02 | lardman | can one only have a single DBus callback in a given application? |
| 22:59.30 | lardman | or could I have e.g. one to handle messages sent to org.maemo.mbarcode and another for orientation messages? |
| 22:59.52 | derf | lcuk: A 1048560x1048560 Theora stream, of course. |
| 22:59.54 | Vink_ | roughly how much time does it take to port to other arm devices? |
| 22:59.59 | derf | The largest the standard allows. |
| 23:00.08 | Tyrant91101 | ARM not that long |
| 23:00.13 | Tyrant91101 | They share common architectures |
| 23:00.15 | moo-_- | Hypermega HD |
| 23:00.30 | lcuk | lardman, whn you register for signals dont they all come in the same osso port thiny |
| 23:00.37 | lcuk | ie i dont think you can break em up |
| 23:00.43 | lcuk | derf, problem there is bandwidth |
| 23:00.56 | lardman | lcuk: dunno, my two callbacks have different formats |
| 23:00.59 | lcuk | you need to get the data to all machines at the same time |
| 23:01.10 | derf | lcuk: That's always going to be a problem with that kind of display. |
| 23:01.14 | moo-_- | lcuk: if it's not real-time you can cache the stream locally before starting show video synchronously |
| 23:01.16 | lcuk | derf not really |
| 23:01.32 | lcuk | you cant cache realistically a movie over 10000 machines |
| 23:01.57 | moo-_- | lcuk: oh yes.... facebook et. al. do even trickier massive data sharding :) |
| 23:02.11 | moo-_- | cache just a local piece of it |
| 23:02.18 | lcuk | lardman, i thought each specific callback was its own function anyway |
| 23:03.03 | lcuk | moo-_-, think of the delivery system required to get the right parts of the movies to the right screens at the right time for such a system |
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| 23:04.12 | lcuk | but if you considered rendering a fractal scene |
| 23:04.24 | lcuk | just sending out the coordinates from 1 machine to say zoom to this area |
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| 23:04.32 | lcuk | each machine could act on its own with low bandwidth |
| 23:04.38 | lcuk | and display a live interactive view |
| 23:05.12 | lcuk | and that would scale on n8x0 class hardware upto as far as the networking would allow |
| 23:06.13 | derf | lardman: There are glib bindings for dbus that can handle dispatching callbacks for you appropriately. |
| 23:06.20 | derf | But back on the N800, at least, these were totally broken. |
| 23:06.48 | derf | I don't know if there's a newer version of dbus on newer tablets that fixes them. |
| 23:07.14 | lardman | I'm mixing libosso rpc stuff, which is in the wiki for how to handle orientation changes, with a general DBus callback handler for messages to my app, and wondering if the latter is stealing the former's messages |
| 23:08.28 | lardman | ah well #dbus wasn't much help, just told me to ask in here |
| 23:08.35 | derf | Hah. |
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| 23:09.12 | lardman | perhaps I asked the wrong thing, oh well |
| 23:09.36 | derf | Well, there's always dbus_bus_get_private(). |
| 23:09.56 | derf | Which lets you get separate connections. But that seems excessive. |
| 23:10.37 | lardman | Am just trying to find the libosso code to see what the rpc* functions actually do with the DBus bus |
| 23:11.54 | lardman | if anyone can give me a hint as to where on Earth it lives, that would be useful |
| 23:12.01 | lardman | gitorious I guess? |
| 23:12.40 | Stskeeps | yes, hildon desktop |
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| 23:14.05 | woglinde | http://performous.org/ |
| 23:14.25 | lardman | thanks Stskeeps |
| 23:16.01 | arachnist | here's the plan: screw the standard / which is smaller than what my other arm toy has, put / on /dev/mmcblk0p2 (which is 2GB in size), put /home on /dev/mmcblk0p1 (which is 27GB) in size, dispose of the ability to use the device as a pendrive. |
| 23:16.32 | aSIMULAtor | what happened to extras-devel repository |
| 23:16.42 | aSIMULAtor | still there or ei |
| 23:16.53 | arachnist | aSIMULAtor: bunch of stuff was removed from it, especially emulators |
| 23:17.21 | woglinde | aSIMULAtor emails sounded it is fixed |
| 23:17.41 | Stskeeps | aSIMULAtor: technical error in repo updating i think |
| 23:18.14 | aSIMULAtor | ok cheers |
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| 23:20.14 | javispedro | "receiving multiple calls at the same time through multiple voice, sip, or skype services" and someone on tmo says "it's a very basic problem" |
| 23:20.21 | javispedro | sighs |
| 23:20.26 | frals | lol |
| 23:20.47 | javispedro | I hope he was being sarcastic.. |
| 23:21.12 | mikhas | the problem being that you let yourself into a situation where you have to handle multiple calls at the same time? |
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| 23:21.45 | javispedro | the "dealbreaker" being that the n900 doesn't seem to handle this (rather uncommon IMHO) situation gracefully |
| 23:22.30 | woglinde | dealer? |
| 23:22.31 | fnordianslippers | why is it different to call waiting? |
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| 23:23.05 | lbt | javispedro: clearly he's someone who can talk through his arse... :D |
| 23:23.11 | lardman | ok, so it looks like it adds callbacks for both the system and session buses |
| 23:23.28 | greenfly | as long as the n900 gives you the option to either put a current call or the incoming call on hold, or it goes to voice mail directly when you are on the phone, I don't see the big deal |
| 23:24.24 | aSIMULAtor | such rare use cases |
| 23:24.45 | greenfly | only time I've run into it is when a call drops and both of us call each other at the same time |
| 23:24.52 | greenfly | I'll see an incoming call from the person I'm calling |
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| 23:26.05 | lcuk | just buy multiple devices |
| 23:26.15 | lcuk | you were born with 2 ears, use them |
| 23:26.39 | lcuk | or could you get stereo bt headsets |
| 23:26.43 | aSIMULAtor | is thankfully not so important that she gets multiple calls at a time |
| 23:26.45 | lcuk | actually, strike all that |
| 23:27.01 | mavhc | well, can't you put one call on hold and answer another? |
| 23:27.08 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 23:27.21 | lcuk | ive never in my existence ever had more than one caller o nthe line at a time |
| 23:27.22 | greenfly | I suppose that's what is causing the hoopla in t.m.o |
| 23:27.25 | aSIMULAtor | yes |
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| 23:27.39 | lcuk | they usually get an engaged tone |
| 23:27.49 | lcuk | taking multiple calls is like toilet stall sharing |
| 23:27.51 | mavhc | I have two phones |
| 23:27.53 | lcuk | for men |
| 23:27.54 | javispedro | actually, his case is that google voice is replicating the _same_ call over the three services (gsm, sip, skype) |
| 23:28.19 | javispedro | thus the service is choosen on a First Come First Served basis. |
| 23:28.36 | greenfly | javispedro: ahh, I hadn't read the thread. that's just silly |
| 23:28.37 | jaem_n810 | lcuk, lol |
| 23:29.17 | Vink_ | just to confirm, N900 (maemo 5) uses full fledged X11 with clutter as the Windowing System and gtk (qt to come soon) apps |
| 23:29.21 | Vink_ | am I right? |
| 23:29.28 | lcuk | yes |
| 23:29.30 | greenfly | that person should set up google voice to only send to his phone once |
| 23:29.43 | Vink_ | lcuk, thanks |
| 23:29.46 | woglinde | vink qt is already there |
| 23:29.53 | lcuk | Vink_, to be fully integrated into the system, gtk apps need "hildonizing" |
| 23:30.11 | lcuk | which is the process of changing a couple of the UI widget classes and diddling with stuff |
| 23:30.13 | woglinde | vink but not the main widgetset |
| 23:30.15 | lcuk | but raw gtk works |
| 23:30.28 | kalikiana | Vink_, you can even see the code of HildonDesktop on gitorious if you're curious |
| 23:30.32 | javispedro | can't believe he has to argue that the n900 doesn't has usb host out of the box _again_ |
| 23:30.41 | lcuk | then dont |
| 23:30.41 | Vink_ | and the memory footprint is ~62 M |
| 23:30.43 | Vink_ | ? |
| 23:30.47 | lcuk | dunno |
| 23:30.53 | SpeedEvil | needs to test that. (usb-host) |
| 23:30.55 | lcuk | is this for the wiki page you suggested |
| 23:30.59 | lcuk | or secret spy mission? |
| 23:31.00 | lardman | anyone know if DBus callbacks consume the signals they are passed unless they return e.g. something other than OSSO_OK? |
| 23:31.04 | javispedro | Vink_: you have been answered before |
| 23:31.56 | lcuk | lardman, question doesnt quite parse |
| 23:32.26 | SpeedEvil | Vink_: A freshly booted - and left for a couple of hours n900 has about 100M free. That is easily freeable RAM |
| 23:32.33 | SpeedEvil | (buffers+cache) |
| 23:32.42 | lardman | when you have a DBus signal/method callback, does any signal/message passed to the callback get destroyed if the callback returns e.g. OSSO_OK, rather than being passed onto the next handler |
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| 23:32.59 | javispedro | lardman: in raw dbus, dbus_connection_add_filter's callbacks can choose to return DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_HANDLED or DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_NOT_YET_HANDLED |
| 23:33.16 | javispedro | won't probably help you in glib dbus, but :) |
| 23:33.18 | lardman | hmm, ok |
| 23:33.25 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, ChristExaport. |
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| 23:33.33 | lardman | just wondering if osso_rpc handles my callback before I get to it |
| 23:33.35 | lardman | or something |
| 23:33.40 | lardman | handles my signal even |
| 23:34.02 | derf | You can monitor the bus, to see if they're sent at all. |
| 23:34.20 | derf | dbus-monitor |
| 23:34.34 | lardman | I know they're sent, just wondering why my callback isn't being called since I added in a DBus callback |
| 23:35.01 | derf | Did you add a match rule for it? |
| 23:35.21 | frals | anyone heard anything bout "Forum Nokia and Maemo Marketing busy next week presenting developer opportunities next week in Paris, Mountain View, Stockholm and Barcelona"? only seen stuff about barcelona |
| 23:35.31 | lardman | yeah, I have a match rule for the MCE orientation stuff, and a DBus dbus_connection_add_filter() |
| 23:35.35 | lardman | that used to work |
| 23:35.57 | lardman | before I added in this: result = osso_rpc_set_cb_f(appdata->osso, |
| 23:35.57 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.57 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.57 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.57 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:37.54 | lardman | it looks to me like the callback should ignore signals and only handle methods |
| 23:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | The built-in File manager not having root permissions and not browsing / is a "roadblock" . . . right. |
| 23:38.18 | GeneralAntilles | The anti-commandline mentality by supposed "hackers" is hilarious. |
| 23:40.30 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 23:42.30 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, forget hackers |
| 23:42.57 | aSIMULAtor | anyone have the problem that when they try to update via application manager the update progress bar goes back to 0 and takes 15 mins |
| 23:43.03 | lcuk | imagine your mum idly browsing /usr/bin and taking a fancy to something |
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| 23:44.14 | lcuk | ooo aSIMULAtor no |
| 23:44.19 | lcuk | but that sounds special |
| 23:44.25 | lcuk | must vanish anyway |
| 23:44.30 | lcuk | im trying to get this working |
| 23:44.46 | GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAtor, what repos? |
| 23:44.59 | aSIMULAtor | extras |
| 23:45.04 | aSIMULAtor | extras testing |
| 23:45.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I updated about 40 minutes ago without issue. |
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| 23:45.31 | aSIMULAtor | same |
| 23:45.35 | aSIMULAtor | it's my friend who's having problems |
| 23:45.44 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 23:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | Could be a local network issue. |
| 23:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get update in console? |
| 23:46.28 | aSIMULAtor | yeah probably a local network issue |
| 23:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, I guess h-a-m does have logs. |
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| 23:53.04 | aSIMULAtor | then another friend is having problems with his wifi |
| 23:55.11 | odin_ | needs better RSS/browser workflow, for example browsers knowing where they were launched from, so back button auto-closes it (and goes back to a previous brose window, or back to a different app) |
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| 23:56.05 | odin_ | so if RSS launches browser, then you look at side, the you use back button, it should auto-close browser and re-select the RSS reader as the app in focus |
| 23:56.13 | odin_ | s/side/site/ |
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| 23:57.22 | el_zilcho | Is there any tool that could help me troubleshoot wifi without root access? i'm pretty sure my wifi is non-functional as i haven't been able to even see any AP's two feet from a machine that can, let alone connect |
| 23:57.36 | el_zilcho | i can't get my root because i can't get wifi working |
| 23:58.21 | kynky | copy deb via usb ? |
| 23:58.30 | lardman | hmm, still not working with the DBus stuff gone |
| 23:59.02 | el_zilcho | maybe not a bad solution |
| 23:59.14 | aSIMULAtor | i said that in the other chan :P |
| 23:59.16 | el_zilcho | let me find rootsh in that form |
| 23:59.29 | aSIMULAtor | but a couple of hours ago |
| 23:59.35 | lardman | does anyone have a link to the maemo.org wiki page about implementing orientation under Fremantle? |
| 23:59.37 | kynky | other chan ? |
| 23:59.42 | lardman | I can't seem to find it |
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| 23:59.52 | aSIMULAtor | we're in another channel together |
| 23:59.53 | el_zilcho | oh, ust have been when i had my head into things |
