| 00:00.03 | SpeedEvil | krfkeith: often |
| 00:00.36 | till- | i'm able to use a flashdrive with my n800 on hostmode, which provides about 100mA afaik |
| 00:00.40 | krfkeith | what about something like a keyboard or a gampad? |
| 00:00.47 | krfkeith | *gamepad |
| 00:01.09 | till- | usb-keyboard as well |
| 00:03.10 | krfkeith | I suppose we could use some sort of button-cell battery |
| 00:03.34 | krfkeith | probably the easiest/cheapest method |
| 00:05.53 | Arkenoi | there is still no google latitude support, i guess? i use it much |
| 00:14.20 | Arkenoi | google documents on the web work surprisingly good, i guess i can live without local office editor. |
| 00:15.30 | SpeedEvil | ponders openoffice. |
| 00:15.41 | kalikianatoli | likes abiword. |
| 00:16.12 | Arkenoi | is oo going to be ported soon? |
| 00:16.23 | kalikianatoli | Arkenoi, you can try it with easydebian |
| 00:17.10 | Arkenoi | maybe i will try. though on 256Mb RAM desktop computer it could be quite a nightmare |
| 00:19.46 | kalikianatoli | if it works on the n800 it will surely work on your desktop computer as well |
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| 00:21.30 | Arkenoi | i mean ooo is quite slow on the low-end desktops, so it should be about as painful with easydebian |
| 00:22.28 | javispedro | oo.org is slow on medium-end workstations. |
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| 00:38.37 | kynky | my n900 is currently in brussels |
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| 00:43.23 | w00t_ | mine is currently sitting in some warehouse because my order got cancelled *minirage* |
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| 00:43.50 | climb5462 | waaaaazzzzzzzuuuuuuupppppppp |
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| 00:44.27 | toggles_w | chickens arse when it's eating... |
| 00:44.29 | shiznebit_ | does the skype use the front mounted camera, or the rear mounted camera ? |
| 00:44.29 | kynky | w00t_, how many you order ? |
| 00:44.48 | kynky | it would use front mounted for a number of reasons |
| 00:44.58 | shiznebit_ | k, but does it ? |
| 00:44.59 | climb5462 | Skype can't do video calls yet shiz, as far as i know |
| 00:45.09 | shiznebit_ | thankyou climb5462 |
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| 00:50.22 | ShadowJK | didn't get a tracking code for his n900 :-( |
| 00:51.32 | w00t_ | ShadowJK: join me, brother :-) |
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| 00:52.29 | kynky | got tracking info when going from nokia uk shop to order history to tracking info to ups website , the tracking info from email didnt work |
| 00:52.58 | SpeedEvil | kynky: when did you order? |
| 00:53.02 | hotaru2k3 | can the n900 do bluetooth DUN? |
| 00:53.14 | kynky | 20th october, standard delivery |
| 00:53.25 | ShadowJK | I wasn't able to register a username so I can't log in :-) |
| 00:53.52 | SpeedEvil | kynky: 20th oct also - standard delivery - but I've only had 'we're processing your order' - no tracking number |
| 00:54.38 | w00t_ | mutters about banks and nokia |
| 00:54.57 | kynky | i ordered about 3.30 am , my friend ordered 8am on 20th std delivery, he got processing email, but nothing else so far |
| 00:55.18 | SpeedEvil | I think I ordered around midday |
| 00:55.23 | kynky | he hopes payment goes through, he wants his discounts |
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| 00:55.45 | SpeedEvil | payment gone through for me |
| 00:56.10 | w00t_ | I thought mine went through, until I recieved a cancellation email at 8:35am this morning, and a phone call from my bank at 10:30am asking if I wanted to authorise payment. |
| 00:56.17 | w00t_ | way to give me time to authorise it! |
| 00:56.20 | w00t_ | :P |
| 00:57.24 | kynky | you use all 3 discount codes ? |
| 00:57.46 | w00t_ | no |
| 00:58.02 | SpeedEvil | kynky: yes - bought a battery too |
| 00:58.17 | kynky | wishes he got battery too |
| 00:58.44 | SpeedEvil | kynky: I dunno if that's important though. debit card - maybe that doesn't have as much authoriastion needed. |
| 00:58.58 | kynky | i used debit too |
| 00:59.37 | kynky | looks like ppl with cancelled orders cant reapply the discounts |
| 00:59.56 | luke-jr | lo |
| 00:59.58 | luke-jr | l |
| 00:59.58 | w00t_ | yup |
| 01:01.31 | SpeedEvil | There is a 15% discound through topcashback still |
| 01:01.35 | SpeedEvil | err - 12 I think |
| 01:01.56 | kynky | yeah |
| 01:02.29 | kynky | but 3 x 15% + 10% topcashback was mega sweet |
| 01:03.06 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 01:03.29 | SpeedEvil | I basically took the view that I could barely afford that. |
| 01:03.38 | SpeedEvil | So not going for all 3 was foolish. |
| 01:04.08 | SpeedEvil | And to partially pay for it - diet. Which is working well too. -6Kg. |
| 01:04.11 | toggles_w | what are people doing for bluetooth headsets? |
| 01:05.15 | w00t_ | yeah, I'm quite annoyed that I'm now being put out by a considerable amount of £ |
| 01:05.36 | w00t_ | after all the hassle already I really was tempted to just not bother |
| 01:05.48 | ShadowJK | hasn't found any bluetooth receiver yet |
| 01:06.06 | kynky | i got a free bt headset via vodafone i havent used , so might use that |
| 01:06.10 | ShadowJK | I'd like one that I can use whatever headphones I want with, and one that has play/pause/next/prev controls, and batterylife of 10 hours |
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| 01:06.46 | toggles_w | yeah, I guess i mean headphones + mic |
| 01:07.01 | toggles_w | i like the new nokia one, but $200 seems like a hell of a lot for headphones |
| 01:07.42 | w00t_ | (very) good headphones have a high price |
| 01:08.21 | toggles_w | i suppose, their promo says they have 10 mics in them which is pretty wild |
| 01:08.32 | pupnik_ | avoid Ultimate Ears |
| 01:08.35 | lcuk | w00t_, :D hiya |
| 01:08.37 | pupnik_ | things corrode like crazy |
| 01:08.48 | w00t_ | lcuk: evening |
| 01:08.55 | ShadowJK | the wires die on everything I have |
| 01:09.00 | w00t_ | bought a new pair of sennheisers and broke them in one day |
| 01:09.03 | w00t_ | that was annoying |
| 01:09.06 | ShadowJK | and the plastic hardens to the point it's like a rock |
| 01:09.26 | lcuk | my car likes the taste of gel headphone cables |
| 01:09.29 | pupnik_ | i think the N900 headphones are very comfortable, stay in ear, and sound ok |
| 01:09.29 | pupnik_ | but why is one side shorter |
| 01:09.30 | pupnik_ | how do you wear that |
| 01:09.56 | lcuk | hasnt got any official headphones yet |
| 01:10.09 | toggles_w | pupnik_: for the mic? |
| 01:10.23 | ShadowJK | pupnik_, the bud with longer wire goes around behind your neck |
| 01:10.39 | pupnik_ | oh |
| 01:10.41 | shiznebit_ | HAHAHHAHA |
| 01:10.42 | shiznebit_ | HAHAHAHA |
| 01:10.43 | pupnik_ | ty :) |
| 01:10.44 | ShadowJK | that would be my guess atleast. |
| 01:10.44 | shiznebit_ | WOW |
| 01:11.16 | pupnik_ | i like the ones that are symmetrical, loop behind ear to avoid movement noise |
| 01:11.41 | ShadowJK | Yeah, I do the loop around ear |
| 01:12.32 | pupnik_ | wish governments would allow a slightly stronger fm xmitter |
| 01:12.57 | kynky | i got some shure se-210 headphones |
| 01:13.09 | ShadowJK | nice |
| 01:13.36 | lcuk | is there a way to do open source as performance art |
| 01:13.55 | toggles_w | kynky: calls? |
| 01:13.57 | ShadowJK | lcuk, you mean like the guy describing DeCSS source code by singing? |
| 01:14.12 | kynky | had some beyerdynamics dt250 before that |
| 01:14.19 | lcuk | ShadowJK, im thinking like a live exhibit |
| 01:15.12 | kynky | toggles_w, calls, well the 3.5mm jack, has 4 connections instead of 3, so can get adapter for microphone i guess |
| 01:16.37 | lcuk | but yeah, singing the decss might be cool |
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| 01:17.24 | kynky | decss t-shirts are art |
| 01:18.06 | lcuk | but not live performance art |
| 01:18.18 | AakashPatel | yoo |
| 01:18.26 | AakashPatel | what's up |
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| 01:30.37 | qole | looks around a bit |
| 01:31.52 | lcuk | grabs his hunting rifle |
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| 01:32.14 | lcuk | makes funky qole sound to lure him into the open |
| 01:33.05 | qole | uses his camoflauge coat to make himself harder to hit |
| 01:33.33 | lcuk | heh gd evening |
| 01:34.06 | qole | another day another homeward commute |
| 01:34.17 | lcuk | how long does the bus take |
| 01:34.27 | qole | 40 mins |
| 01:34.36 | lcuk | ahh not that bad then |
| 01:34.44 | qole | sometimes 50 |
| 01:34.50 | lcuk | i spotted something from you earlier and i cant remember what it was now |
| 01:34.57 | lcuk | when you were talking to jeremiah |
| 01:35.02 | lcuk | will remember |
| 01:36.11 | qole | easy-deb-chroot packages in free repos now? |
| 01:36.11 | lcuk | ahhh yes |
| 01:36.15 | lcuk | pushing git commits from device |
| 01:36.20 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.24 | lcuk | or native live |
| 01:36.26 | qole | and using git on-device? |
| 01:36.37 | lcuk | i use git from device |
| 01:36.38 | qole | chroot |
| 01:36.40 | lcuk | but only to git: sources |
| 01:36.50 | qole | but shared home directory |
| 01:36.54 | lcuk | nods |
| 01:36.56 | lcuk | oh cool |
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| 01:37.31 | qole | so I build with py2deb natively, and upload to garage via chroot git |
| 01:37.31 | lcuk | if i wanted to hare something that wasnt home folder i guess thats just configurable |
| 01:38.05 | qole | sure just mount maemo folder in chroot |
| 01:38.28 | lcuk | garage native git: support would be a beneficial improvement there |
| 01:38.35 | lcuk | cos then theres not even a chroot |
| 01:38.51 | lcuk | i store my code in /home/svn/....... |
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| 01:39.04 | lcuk | and it survives a flashing of main doofer |
| 01:39.19 | lcuk | and is executable as well :) |
| 01:40.16 | lcuk | supposing though i was gonna use a chroot for complete dpkg support |
| 01:40.28 | lcuk | can i just have it completely transparent |
| 01:40.35 | qole | I have to set it all back up, flashed last night. |
| 01:40.58 | lcuk | yeah is most of your normal stuff back? |
| 01:40.59 | qole | what does transparent mean here |
| 01:41.09 | lcuk | well i run |
| 01:41.16 | lcuk | > make |
| 01:41.29 | lcuk | > make install |
| 01:41.29 | lcuk | for instance |
| 01:41.40 | lcuk | can i just have chroot setup to continue inline |
| 01:41.50 | lcuk | > qole_dpkg |
| 01:42.00 | qole | you could build in chroot, run in Maemo, just keep two terms open |
| 01:42.20 | kynky | screen ftw |
| 01:42.22 | lcuk | and have it take my current folderm open the chroot, run dpkg.. on it close chroot and return me to the console |
| 01:42.27 | lcuk | messy |
| 01:42.37 | qole | I have a development chroot on my website |
| 01:42.57 | lcuk | qole, complete sdk for me is 2 apt-get lines |
| 01:43.17 | lcuk | and from flash to working is <30 mins |
| 01:43.48 | lcuk | huggles build-essential |
| 01:43.56 | qole | you keep sdk in your main rootfs? |
| 01:44.15 | lcuk | yeah, just like regular linux |
| 01:45.09 | lcuk | maemo is only "special" cos of busybox |
| 01:45.10 | qole | regular linux has a bigger rootfs ;) |
| 01:45.22 | lcuk | meh, thats just a minor detail |
| 01:45.31 | lcuk | optify build-essential ;) |
| 01:45.41 | lcuk | and i used to do the same on 810 |
| 01:46.06 | qole | clone your dev env to a partiton and then chroot to it |
| 01:46.26 | qole | keep the main partiton clean |
| 01:47.09 | qole | is mplayer optified yet? If not someone needs to do it. |
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| 01:48.24 | lcuk | qole, if i had booted from sd |
| 01:48.30 | lcuk | with a nice big 4gb card |
| 01:48.37 | lcuk | and made system work nicely |
| 01:48.44 | lcuk | could i chroot into that from a stock system |
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| 01:49.23 | qole | has anyone noticed slow microSD I/O on N900? |
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| 01:49.37 | lcuk | not yet, i got a 4g card at weekend |
| 01:49.37 | qole | lcuk, of course |
| 01:49.43 | lcuk | but ive not put anything on it |
| 01:49.45 | lcuk | i didnt want it as fat |
| 01:50.16 | kynky | i got a 16gb card class 2 though, works fast on my htc tp, will try on n900 on thurs |
| 01:54.20 | jaem | hrm |
| 01:54.31 | jaem | is working on a Qt app for Maemo |
| 01:54.47 | jaem | I'm somewhat confused about how Qt 4.6 handles Fremantle menus, though |
| 01:55.20 | jaem | submenus in Qt end up as "[TLM]/Name" buttons |
| 01:55.30 | jaem | are they all supposed to be top-level for Maemo? |
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| 01:55.44 | b-man17 | ~seen xnt14 |
| 01:55.46 | infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-71-190-240-27.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14d 14h 18m 18s ago, saying: 'awesome ;)'. |
| 01:56.05 | b-man17 | hm |
| 01:56.12 | qole | I don't see any submenus anywhere. |
| 01:56.15 | lcuk | b-man17, you and xnt had a tiff? ;) |
| 01:56.23 | lcuk | i havent seen him for a while either ;) |
| 01:56.37 | lcuk | and i dont really miss his ;) lol |
| 01:56.50 | b-man17 | lcuk, nah, i think he´s just busy with other things ;) |
| 01:57.20 | jaem | qole, I meant that Qt s/submenus/menuitems/ show up on Maemo as "Menu/MenuItem", rather than just the MenuItem name |
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| 01:57.58 | lcuk | b-man17, cool ;) |
| 01:57.59 | b-man17 | pokes him on twitter |
| 01:58.13 | lcuk | tell him i said ;) |
| 01:58.32 | b-man17 | lol, shure xD |
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| 02:00.20 | b-man17 | hmm, it looks like he´s trying to mess around with twitter api´s again xD |
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| 02:02.00 | jaem | qole, any idea? |
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| 02:04.51 | b-man17 | is soo happy to have a 5 day weekend |
| 02:05.18 | jaem | oh right, it's Fake Thanksgiving this weekend |
| 02:05.21 | jaem | lucky Americans ;) |
| 02:05.26 | b-man17 | xD ;) |
| 02:05.49 | fernando_ | wait really |
| 02:05.50 | jaem | Pi Day is official down there too, now |
| 02:05.53 | jaem | also lucky |
| 02:06.03 | jaem | unfortunately, Pi Day is not a Stat :( |
| 02:06.08 | fernando_ | awesome, I don't have class tomorrow |
| 02:06.21 | qole | jaem, no I just was saying there are no submenus in Maemo 5 anywhere. |
| 02:06.28 | jaem | qole, yes - I used the wrong word |
| 02:06.29 | pekuja | I'm too nerdy to celebrate Pi Day |
| 02:06.31 | jaem | thanks anyway |
| 02:06.33 | b-man17 | fernando_: in collage? |
| 02:06.59 | qole | I'm home now, going offline... |
| 02:07.02 | jaem | cheers |
| 02:07.03 | fernando_ | yeah |
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| 02:07.57 | b-man17 | highschool here |
| 02:15.56 | Xisdibik | Pi day? |
| 02:16.46 | fernando_ | march 14 |
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| 02:19.03 | Arkenoi | how do i quit fullscreen mode in fbreader on n900? there is no more "fullscreen" key used to control it, nor scroll keys are recognized |
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| 02:29.34 | paroneayea | Is there an equivalent to this: |
| 02:29.36 | paroneayea | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture |
| 02:29.39 | paroneayea | for applications? |
| 02:29.51 | paroneayea | besides knowing what libraries are non-free, would be good to know about applications |
| 02:32.23 | pupnik_ | Arkenoi: try clicking corners, or report a bug |
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| 02:35.39 | microlith | wonders if he will successfully restart his N900 order tomorrow, or if Nokia's system will continue to suck |
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| 02:54.03 | AakashPatel | microlith, how much you buy it for? |
| 02:54.07 | AakashPatel | (or are going to) |
| 02:54.19 | microlith | AakashPatel: well, if they don't screw me it'll go for $600 or so |
| 02:54.27 | AakashPatel | are you in the US? |
| 02:54.31 | microlith | which is $100 less than what the preorder was for |
| 02:54.32 | microlith | yes |
| 02:54.32 | AakashPatel | amazon has it for the cheaps |
| 02:54.39 | AakashPatel | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-Touchscreen/dp/B002OB49SW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1259104526&sr=8-1 |
| 02:54.43 | AakashPatel | 499 |
| 02:54.47 | microlith | right, and if Nokia can't get their order system to work |
| 02:54.49 | microlith | I'll go with Amazo |
| 02:54.52 | microlith | amazon* |
| 02:55.10 | microlith | however, I don't think amazon is shipping yet and I would like it before late december |
| 02:55.16 | acidjazz | my buy.com n900 still hasnt shipped :( |
| 02:55.30 | acidjazz | they arent |
| 02:55.31 | acidjazz | either is buy.com |
| 02:55.32 | AakashPatel | microlith, oh is the Nokia one shipping? |
| 02:55.36 | microlith | yes, apparently |
| 02:55.38 | AakashPatel | erm nokia site |
| 02:55.39 | AakashPatel | :0 |
| 02:55.39 | acidjazz | the only ppl shipping is nokia.com and theyre shipping preorders from months ago |
| 02:55.44 | microlith | right |
| 02:55.46 | acidjazz | you basically cant get one |
| 02:55.49 | microlith | I placed my preorder on September 3rd |
| 02:55.54 | acidjazz | has yours shipped |
| 02:56.00 | microlith | and nokia screwed the whole thing up |
| 02:56.03 | AakashPatel | :/ |
| 02:56.12 | microlith | they don't know how to handle fraud alerts apparently |
| 02:56.23 | AakashPatel | I didn't want mine after half of december either |
| 02:56.24 | microlith | and every subsequent attempt to reorder was rejected by their system |
| 02:56.31 | microlith | I will try tomorrow |
| 02:56.34 | microlith | that's it |
| 02:57.02 | microlith | and I stick with this because there is no other device like the N900 out there |
| 02:57.56 | acidjazz | also nokia NY got some |
| 02:57.57 | acidjazz | but theyre gone |
| 02:57.57 | acidjazz | its like nokia made 500 and thats it |
| 02:57.57 | AakashPatel | microlith, do you have thelink to the nokia usa store? |
| 02:57.57 | acidjazz | theres a rumor on the forums of the next shipment being in february |
| 02:57.57 | AakashPatel | i cant figure out where to buy it |
| 02:57.57 | acidjazz | www.nokia.com |
| 02:57.57 | acidjazz | theres a link there |
| 02:57.57 | AakashPatel | Lol thanks |
| 02:57.57 | acidjazz | click usa |
| 02:57.57 | AakashPatel | i did |
| 02:58.04 | AakashPatel | OH haha |
| 02:58.07 | AakashPatel | Buy online |
| 02:58.10 | AakashPatel | didnt see that |
| 02:58.32 | AakashPatel | ouch 649 |
| 02:58.38 | acidjazz | comes w/ a warranty |
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| 02:58.43 | AakashPatel | so does amazon's |
| 02:58.51 | acidjazz | nokia claims theres is better than amazons |
| 02:58.59 | acidjazz | thast what they told me |
| 02:59.05 | AakashPatel | Haha |
| 02:59.29 | AakashPatel | Yeah, I can't afford it from Nokia directly |
| 03:00.12 | AakashPatel | I heard thier stuffs shipping the end of this month :/ |
| 03:00.17 | AakashPatel | maybe i was misinformed |
| 03:01.09 | acidjazz | it has been shipping |
| 03:01.21 | acidjazz | but only from nokia.com for people who ordered months ago |
| 03:01.45 | AakashPatel | hmm thats odd |
| 03:01.57 | acidjazz | not really |
| 03:02.07 | acidjazz | theyre shipping by the priority any company would |
| 03:02.12 | acidjazz | take care of direct pre-orders |
| 03:02.14 | AakashPatel | well, yeah but i mean they dont have it to ship out in mass quantities |
| 03:02.16 | acidjazz | then take care of distributors |
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| 03:03.43 | b-man17 | what do you think the odds are of obtaining the device before 2010 if you ordered now ? |
| 03:03.54 | AakashPatel | ^^ same q |
| 03:06.30 | b-man17 | really wants his device sometime by late December at the latest :( |
| 03:07.01 | AakashPatel | as all of us : |
| 03:07.03 | AakashPatel | :) * |
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| 03:08.23 | microlith | b-man17: no joke, my current phone likes to lock up randomly when the cell radio gets activated |
| 03:08.37 | AakashPatel | What phone you have? |
| 03:08.55 | microlith | it's a loaner Motorola Ming A1200 that was on China Mobile |
| 03:09.05 | AakashPatel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.09 | b-man17 | heh |
| 03:09.20 | microlith | I'm sure dastardly experiments were run on it a couple years ago |
| 03:09.36 | microlith | only interesting thing about it is the fact it runs linux and uses Qt for the UI |
| 03:09.38 | AakashPatel | Haha. |
| 03:09.44 | b-man17 | lol |
| 03:09.50 | AakashPatel | I currently have an Android Dev Phone 1 |
| 03:09.53 | AakashPatel | But it's slow as shit |
| 03:09.55 | AakashPatel | lol |
| 03:09.56 | microlith | we have a number of those at work |
| 03:10.02 | AakashPatel | Sweet |
| 03:10.17 | microlith | they've gathered up a bunch of myTouch devices |
| 03:10.24 | microlith | and are looking at getting some Droids |
| 03:10.47 | AakashPatel | Ah, played with my friends droid a few days ago |
| 03:10.48 | AakashPatel | real nice |
| 03:10.52 | AakashPatel | (Thats dirty lol) |
| 03:10.56 | b-man17 | microlith: where do you work? |
| 03:11.02 | microlith | b-man17: numonyx |
| 03:11.11 | b-man17 | ah |
| 03:11.11 | microlith | we make flash memory and whatnot |
| 03:11.26 | b-man17 | sound cool :) |
| 03:11.27 | microlith | I'm not working on anything to do with the phones though |
| 03:11.50 | b-man17 | that sucks |
| 03:12.05 | microlith | eh, I'm working on something far more interesting IMO, but I can't talk about it :> |
| 03:12.14 | b-man17 | ;) |
| 03:12.20 | microlith | it' |
| 03:12.24 | microlith | it'll be cool when I can though |
| 03:12.34 | AakashPatel | :0 |
| 03:13.21 | b-man17 | heh, i got to ride in a Smart Car 2 years before it was publicly available :) |
| 03:13.33 | acidjazz | i shit n900's |
| 03:13.35 | acidjazz | who wnats one |
| 03:13.39 | b-man17 | ´s parents use to work for GM |
| 03:13.42 | AakashPatel | o/ |
| 03:13.43 | microlith | I'll take one, when you clean it |
| 03:14.00 | AakashPatel | b-man17, GM makes the smart cars? |
| 03:14.45 | microlith | yah this is what the guys with phones have been doing: http://www.numonyx.com/en-US/ResourceCenter/SoftwareArticles/Pages/GoogleAndroidDemo.aspx |
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| 03:15.30 | AakashPatel | Oh taht tight |
| 03:15.58 | AakashPatel | I hit that point when my rams full all the time :/ |
| 03:16.01 | b-man17 | AakashPatel: to tell you the truth i´m not shure :s - i was at an international convention |
| 03:16.15 | AakashPatel | ah i see |
| 03:16.23 | b-man17 | and i was only 9.. i think |
| 03:16.30 | pwnguin | has anyone actually connected the email app to exchange? |
| 03:16.42 | AakashPatel | b-man17, how old are you? |
| 03:16.46 | b-man17 | 17 |
| 03:16.48 | AakashPatel | ah |
| 03:16.52 | AakashPatel | <- 16 |
| 03:17.05 | b-man17 | :) |
| 03:17.24 | microlith | I wish I had the money for an N900 when I was 17! |
| 03:20.06 | microlith | :( |
| 03:20.06 | AakashPatel | o.O |
| 03:20.06 | b-man17 | netsplit! |
| 03:20.06 | pwnguin | when i was 17 i stole technology, just like evreyone else! |
| 03:20.06 | b-man17 | xD |
| 03:20.42 | pwnguin | with the mp3 players and the cd burners and the flashcarts |
| 03:20.43 | AakashPatel | haha |
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| 03:21.24 | AakashPatel | wb |
| 03:21.24 | pwnguin | and the ROMs and emulators |
| 03:21.24 | b-man17 | lol |
| 03:21.24 | pwnguin | kids these days, paying for things. makes me sad on the inside |
| 03:21.24 | AakashPatel | Hahaha |
| 03:21.24 | b-man17 | nah, i have $1375.00 xD |
| 03:21.25 | pwnguin | b-man17: wait till college. that'll disappear real quick |
| 03:21.25 | AakashPatel | PLUS TAX |
| 03:21.26 | microlith | actually at 17 I bought my first PC |
| 03:21.26 | pwnguin | college students dont pay tax |
| 03:21.35 | microlith | awesome tech like the N900 didn't exist yet :/ |
| 03:21.35 | b-man17 | that money is reserved for my N900 and a Laptop ;) |
| 03:21.44 | lcuk | what waspc? |
| 03:21.45 | AakashPatel | haha half of thats gone for the n900 |
| 03:21.47 | pwnguin | i didnt buy my first laptop till i was like 27 |
| 03:22.02 | pwnguin | and the n900 will actually be the first mp3 player I might actually use |
| 03:22.09 | b-man17 | xD |
| 03:22.10 | microlith | lcuk: ? |
| 03:22.18 | lcuk | what spec was the pc you got |
| 03:22.21 | lcuk | that wasnt n900ish |
| 03:22.35 | lcuk | started with zx spectrum and really got started with amiga |
| 03:22.52 | AakashPatel | I don't ge the point of mp3 players..if most phones modern can play music :/ |
| 03:22.56 | AakashPatel | get* |
| 03:22.57 | microlith | oh, p2-400 with 128MB of ram, with an 8GB quantum bigfoot (5.25") and cheapy rage pro graphics |
| 03:23.11 | b-man17 | ´s first game system was a gameboy advance |
| 03:23.11 | AakashPatel | microlith, i've met worse lol |
| 03:23.13 | pwnguin | AakashPatel: they were cooler back when phones were massive and didnt play mp3s |
| 03:23.21 | microlith | AakashPatel: back in 1999, that was killer |
| 03:23.34 | lcuk | AakashPatel, believe it or not, some people prefer to keep things apart |
| 03:23.35 | AakashPatel | microlith, yeah, i saw one the other day...64MB of ram...running windows xp :/ |
| 03:23.41 | pwnguin | of course, they also had like 32MB of RAM |
| 03:23.43 | AakashPatel | 'HEY FIX MY COMP' |
| 03:23.51 | pwnguin | or storage really |
| 03:23.52 | AakashPatel | lcuk, crazies! |
| 03:24.06 | b-man17 | XP Phone? |
| 03:24.22 | AakashPatel | b-man17, who speaks of such madness? |
| 03:24.22 | lcuk | lol AakashPatel |
| 03:24.33 | b-man17 | google it ;) |
| 03:24.42 | AakashPatel | b-man17, i've seen it on gizmodo lol that was enought |
| 03:24.45 | AakashPatel | enough* |
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| 03:24.45 | b-man17 | you´ll laugh xD |
| 03:25.15 | AakashPatel | Haha |
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| 03:25.45 | pwnguin | i was talking with a dude and he was saying "i want a phone that i can wear like a watch. i'd never forget it." |
| 03:26.02 | pwnguin | i had to tell him his idea has been done dozens of times |
| 03:26.08 | AakashPatel | lol |
| 03:26.09 | b-man17 | could see them comming out with a Vista phone xDDD |
| 03:26.12 | lcuk | pupnik_, speak to analias next time hes about |
| 03:26.15 | lcuk | thats his area |
| 03:26.18 | AakashPatel | b-man17, i'd barf |
| 03:26.20 | AakashPatel | haha |
| 03:26.25 | b-man17 | lol |
| 03:26.31 | pwnguin | didnt bother telling him that nobody wears a watch anymore since cellphones became every day carry |
| 03:26.31 | lcuk | i like the idea of a bluetooth small ui display |
| 03:26.38 | lcuk | so i can glance and see recent texts |
| 03:26.41 | lcuk | or calls etc |
| 03:26.42 | lcuk | from my phone |
| 03:26.50 | lcuk | but its a watch |
| 03:26.56 | AakashPatel | pwnguin, unless its a rolex lol |
| 03:26.59 | lcuk | there is already one |
| 03:27.14 | lcuk | problem is always battery |
| 03:27.16 | AakashPatel | thats that thing...inSight? or whatever |
| 03:27.18 | AakashPatel | idk |
| 03:27.20 | AakashPatel | i forgot lol |
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| 03:27.41 | pwnguin | lcuk: but you'd still have to carry a headset around |
| 03:27.48 | lcuk | handset |
| 03:27.59 | pwnguin | headset |
| 03:27.59 | AakashPatel | strap it to your face |
| 03:28.02 | pwnguin | bluetooth headset |
| 03:28.09 | lcuk | im talking about now interfacing with n900 hardware |
| 03:28.09 | lcuk | dont care for headset |
| 03:28.11 | lcuk | i dont call often |
| 03:28.15 | AakashPatel | me either |
| 03:28.25 | lcuk | quick glance, get time and recent lines of irc |
| 03:28.26 | AakashPatel | i have one layin around here...i think it got lost in the clutter hah |
| 03:28.37 | pwnguin | is in 14 channels |
| 03:28.48 | pwnguin | recent lines of irc gets kinda pointless at that scale |
| 03:29.00 | lcuk | pwnguin, is that all? |
| 03:29.11 | b-man17 | yup |
| 03:29.25 | pwnguin | lcuk: gnometerm starts overlapping with irssi keys |
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| 03:29.39 | ShadowJK | wants a watch that can control mp3 player |
| 03:29.47 | lcuk | learn to xchat |
| 03:29.52 | lcuk | ShadowJK, yeah that would be cool |
| 03:30.01 | lcuk | wants it so liqwidgets can show in it :$ |
| 03:30.05 | AakashPatel | OR! a watch that IS an mp3 player :0 |
| 03:30.08 | AakashPatel | goes to patent it |
| 03:30.15 | ShadowJK | touchscreen is darn unusuable without taking phone out of pocket |
| 03:30.55 | pwnguin | maybe just strap a n900 to your wrist lanscape |
| 03:30.55 | pwnguin | bracer style |
| 03:30.58 | b-man17 | AakashPatel: lol, allready been done xD |
| 03:31.09 | AakashPatel | b-man17, haha i was kidding :P |
| 03:31.16 | b-man17 | i know ;P |
| 03:31.24 | AakashPatel | mmhmm |
| 03:31.26 | AakashPatel | lol. |
| 03:31.27 | pwnguin | wake me up when they have bluetooth video glasses |
| 03:31.37 | Arkenoi | n900 rejected my 10 years old 5v sim card |
| 03:31.42 | pwnguin | with integrated cameras for AR |
| 03:32.11 | lcuk | im gonna go to next fancy dress party as buzz lightyear |
| 03:32.12 | Arkenoi | good i had a copy on a newer chip |
| 03:32.20 | lcuk | im gonna stray n900 as arm computer |
| 03:32.24 | lcuk | strap |
| 03:32.45 | lcuk | and i better get some damned laser noises :D |
| 03:32.48 | b-man17 | googles for the most outrageous hardware combination |
| 03:33.10 | pwnguin | pocket watch computer |
| 03:34.30 | b-man17 | AakashPatel: http://www.menstech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mobile-watch-phone.jpg - windows mobile on a watch XD |
| 03:34.40 | AakashPatel | oh my |
| 03:34.56 | AakashPatel | are you sure thats winmo? lol |
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| 03:35.46 | krfkeith | well I found a USB wall charger and it's still having the same on and off cycling issue |
| 03:36.23 | b-man17 | AakashPatel: http://www.menstech.com/category/wearables/?snap=W |
| 03:36.58 | AakashPatel | Whoever made taht should be shot |
| 03:36.59 | AakashPatel | lol |
| 03:37.46 | Arkenoi | b-man: still not in production |
| 03:37.56 | Arkenoi | has nucleus-based wristwatch |
| 03:38.01 | Arkenoi | cect w600 |
| 03:38.09 | krfkeith | any ideas on what my issue is/ |
| 03:38.15 | Arkenoi | no java, not enough space in firmware for it |
| 03:38.26 | b-man17 | AakashPatel: indeed xD |
| 03:38.34 | Arkenoi | aakash: actually not wm but wince6.0 |
| 03:38.44 | Arkenoi | and still a prototype not available for purchase |
| 03:39.18 | Arkenoi | 5.0 even |
| 03:39.24 | Arkenoi | it cannot run wm programs |
| 03:39.29 | AakashPatel | it's still a windows watch |
| 03:39.33 | AakashPatel | haha |
| 03:39.40 | Arkenoi | but you cannot buy it |
| 03:39.53 | Arkenoi | all models currently available are nucleus-based |
| 03:39.58 | AakashPatel | Like people would |
| 03:39.59 | Arkenoi | on mediatek chipset |
| 03:39.59 | krfkeith | I don't mind WinMo |
| 03:40.18 | AakashPatel | krfkeith, but on a watch? ;) |
| 03:40.18 | b-man17 | HATES Microsoft |
| 03:40.34 | pupnik_ | why lcuk |
| 03:40.50 | krfkeith | AakashPatel: that's true |
| 03:41.01 | krfkeith | hates Apple |
| 03:41.19 | krfkeith | atleast you can (theoretically) develop for it... |
| 03:41.22 | b-man17 | hates both ;) |
| 03:41.30 | krfkeith | but putting WinMo on a watch is stupid |
| 03:41.39 | AakashPatel | srsly |
| 03:41.39 | Arkenoi | krfkeith: not really |
| 03:41.41 | krfkeith | hates most large American corporations |
| 03:41.48 | Arkenoi | it is not that bad |
| 03:41.56 | Arkenoi | not much worse than nucleus |
| 03:42.30 | krfkeith | what's nucleues? |
| 03:42.37 | krfkeith | *nucleus |
| 03:42.38 | b-man17 | google it ;) |
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| 03:45.14 | Arkenoi | nucleus is opensource in theory |
| 03:46.13 | Arkenoi | but i'd yet to see someone who managed to create working independant firmware for any device available on the market |
| 03:47.15 | AakashPatel | is the n900 screen "mushy" at all? |
| 03:47.34 | AakashPatel | like some other devices with resistive screens? |
| 03:47.54 | krfkeith | Arkenoi: is it some sort of PDA software? |
| 03:48.24 | microlith | nucleus is an embedded OS targeted at phones and other consumer electronics |
| 03:48.25 | b-man17 | AakashPatel: not from what i´ve herd |
| 03:48.42 | lcuk | AakashPatel, no its a pleasure to use |
| 03:48.47 | AakashPatel | sweet |
| 03:49.16 | Arkenoi | actually n900 screen is much more than one could expect from a reisitive touchscreen |
| 03:49.24 | Arkenoi | it really wondered me |
| 03:49.35 | krfkeith | Arkenoi: so were you saying that you have a watch with the Nucleus RTOS? |
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| 03:49.42 | krfkeith | this is so frustrating |
| 03:50.01 | Arkenoi | krfkeith, yep, cect w600, quite nice one |
| 03:50.01 | lcuk | yes the screen is the best ive ever written on |
| 03:51.01 | krfkeith | Arkenoi: looks neat, does it have any sort of applications for it? |
| 03:51.15 | AakashPatel | Oh yeah, another question, does maemo have an 'on screen' keyboard? |
| 03:51.16 | b-man17 | brb |
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| 03:51.45 | lcuk | i think it does, i never use it tho |
| 03:51.59 | AakashPatel | oh cool |
| 03:52.41 | Arkenoi | krfkeith: there is a rumour there are some, but i never managed to install any. |
| 03:52.59 | lcuk | hi Ford_Prefect \o |
| 03:53.06 | Ford_Prefect | Heya lcuk :) |
| 03:53.07 | lcuk | has seen you somewhere else |
| 03:53.47 | Arkenoi | it lasts about 3 days standby time with GSM network, which is not bad for a wristwatch at all, SE model hardly manages that having no GSM module, just bluetooth |
| 03:54.47 | lcuk | its awful for a wristwatch |
| 03:55.00 | lcuk | mine used to last months |
| 03:55.07 | Arkenoi | for GSM-enabled i'd not expect more ;-) |
| 03:55.08 | lcuk | it was an occasion to need to change watch battery |
| 03:56.15 | Arkenoi | it charges via USB |
| 03:58.41 | lcuk | is there an sdk? |
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| 04:00.07 | Arkenoi | yep, but is is cryptic and all-chinese ;-) |
| 04:00.28 | lcuk | thats ok, my code will make them scratch heads just as much |
| 04:00.48 | lcuk | i just need a few baseline fns |
| 04:06.36 | Arkenoi | am i right that unlike other nokia screens n900 is not reflective at all so it is no good under direct sunlight? |
| 04:07.01 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 04:07.04 | AakashPatel | it isnt? |
| 04:07.07 | lcuk | i live in manchester, direct sunlight is rare |
| 04:07.08 | AakashPatel | Looks glossy to me lol |
| 04:11.32 | krfkeith | anyone know any stores that carry N900 compatible batteries? |
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| 04:12.19 | AakashPatel | krfkeith, the Nokia store |
| 04:12.20 | AakashPatel | hehe |
| 04:12.43 | krfkeith | I don't think they have one in Houston :-( |
| 04:12.56 | GAN900 | krfkeith, BL-5J, same as in the 5800. |
| 04:13.11 | krfkeith | yeah, I know the model number |
| 04:13.22 | krfkeith | do they have them at batteries plus or radioshack |
| 04:13.47 | GAN900 | Probably a lot cheaper to get one online. |
| 04:13.49 | AakashPatel | look it up? |
| 04:13.57 | AakashPatel | GAN900++ |
| 04:14.47 | krfkeith | has anyone noticed the search function sucks on most sites? |
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| 04:34.18 | b-man17 | is back |
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| 04:57.12 | microlith | watches the short term value of Talk plummet |
| 04:57.46 | esaym153 | howdy, I am thinking about using my n810 to replace my ipod. But before I go and buy a giant sd card I would like to know if any of the media players for it support making play lists for music files? |
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| 05:07.36 | tank-man | I feel confident in saying all the music players let you make playlists |
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| 05:19.52 | dmj726 | Does the aGPS on n900 only work with a data plan? |
| 05:20.28 | dmj726 | microlith: talk has grown nearly useless right now. |
| 05:21.07 | tank-man | probably works with wifi too |
| 05:22.05 | dmj726 | I knew it would work on wifi, but I was curious if it required a dataplan or just regular cell service. |
| 05:22.11 | dmj726 | guesses it's the first option. |
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| 05:26.55 | GAN900 | Arkenoi, it's transflective. Fine in sunlight. |
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| 05:44.05 | pupnik_ | boo |
| 05:45.05 | jaem | ahh! |
| 05:45.18 | jaem | hides behind a widget |
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| 05:48.10 | jaem | ...hmm |
| 05:48.28 | jaem | anyone else geting 401s while trying to pull packages from repository.maemo.org? |
| 05:48.38 | jaem | specifically, extras-devel |
| 05:48.48 | jaem | it's intermittent for me |
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| 06:09.07 | RST38h | reMoo all |
| 06:09.17 | jaem | moo to you also |
| 06:10.08 | Klowner | jaem: yeah, been doing that all day |
| 06:10.25 | jaem | Klowner, mooing, or hiding? |
| 06:10.45 | Klowner | oh, the maemo repo going 401'y |
| 06:10.55 | Klowner | I've been mooing too |
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| 06:11.01 | jaem | oh... there was no subject in that sentence ;) |
| 06:11.03 | jaem | lol |
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| 06:17.51 | Klowner | I should just drive to the dang Chicago store |
| 06:18.09 | Klowner | but as soon as I get there I'll probably get a shipping notification from amazon |
| 06:19.12 | jaem | Klowner, that sounds like the typical bus problem |
| 06:19.30 | Klowner | I'd take my car |
| 06:19.32 | jaem | if you walk home, it'll pass you halfway, but if you wait, you'll wait twice as long as it would have taken to walk |
| 06:19.33 | Klowner | er, what? |
| 06:19.35 | Klowner | yes |
| 06:19.36 | jaem | that problem |
| 06:19.51 | jaem | of course, that's really just psychological |
| 06:19.57 | jaem | ...mostly... |
| 06:20.06 | jaem | :S |
| 06:20.10 | Klowner | like when I was on dial-up, I calculated what kind of bandwidth I could have by hiring kids to carry DVD-Rs in backpacks across town |
| 06:20.18 | jaem | ha! |
| 06:20.42 | jaem | was it better? |
| 06:20.46 | Klowner | yes |
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| 06:21.08 | Klowner | well, depends.. if the kids are reliable and don't break down often |
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| 06:27.14 | dmj726 | Klowner: of course for small transfers increased bandwidth is offset by the high latency of the kids |
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| 06:28.18 | Klowner | dmj726: loading them up with candy decreases their latency |
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| 06:37.29 | RST38h | heya Arkenoi |
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| 06:44.56 | pupnik_ | maybe 22fps really isnt so bad |
| 06:45.26 | pupnik_ | just speeds i see here... |
| 06:45.42 | pupnik_ | i dont want to say too much :( |
| 06:46.47 | pupnik_ | looks like some mistakes are present in our dosbox build |
| 06:47.22 | RST38h | hm, are you sure this is not due to dosbox itself? |
| 06:48.14 | pupnik_ | i db should use dirty buffers to only update changed regions, at least at 640x480 |
| 06:48.32 | RST38h | also, real 22fps with a frameskip of 3 is just fine |
| 06:48.38 | pupnik_ | since we have lovely sw scaling, that may need reenabling |
| 06:49.06 | RST38h | You can take the same code I have given javispedro and use it |
| 06:49.11 | pupnik_ | dipping below 10 briefly hurts more yeah |
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| 06:49.26 | RST38h | it will scale in assembly language |
| 06:49.56 | pupnik_ | cool and ty ?) |
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| 06:51.00 | RST38h | ok, work. |
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| 06:57.05 | pupnik_ | adding /dev/dsp to n900 would be a nice project |
| 06:58.01 | Klowner | adding an n900 to my pocket would be a better project |
| 06:58.26 | Xisdibik | get in line Klowner my pocket needs one first ;) |
| 06:58.40 | Lupu | hehe |
| 06:58.55 | Klowner | fills Xisdibik's pockets with pudding |
| 06:59.03 | Klowner | yours are full! |
| 06:59.13 | pupnik_ | there is much to do |
| 06:59.29 | Klowner | I want to play with GL ES |
| 06:59.30 | pupnik_ | if anyone is working on a game port lemme know |
| 07:00.09 | pupnik_ | i might have useful things for you |
| 07:01.03 | Xisdibik | Klowner thats not my pocket |
| 07:01.10 | Klowner | eeew |
| 07:01.41 | Xisdibik | who did you order yours from klowner? |
| 07:01.50 | pupnik_ | but our perfolrmance situation is neither happy not moticating |
| 07:01.51 | Klowner | slowazon |
| 07:01.52 | Klowner | er, amazon |
| 07:02.07 | Xisdibik | what date did u preorder? |
| 07:02.31 | Klowner | nov 6 |
| 07:02.38 | Xisdibik | ah, later than me |
| 07:02.40 | Xisdibik | i did slowazon also |
| 07:02.46 | Klowner | later than many |
| 07:03.00 | Klowner | yours shipped didn't it? |
| 07:03.07 | Xisdibik | nope |
| 07:03.08 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 07:03.44 | pupnik_ | try Enigma game when u get n900 |
| 07:03.51 | Klowner | that sucks |
| 07:04.21 | Klowner | pupnik_: enigma game? |
| 07:04.47 | pupnik_ | marble - puyyle - skill game with accelerometer steering |
| 07:04.54 | pupnik_ | p.uy |
| 07:04.57 | pupnik_ | puz |
| 07:05.00 | Klowner | lol |
| 07:05.01 | Klowner | puzzle? |
| 07:05.06 | pupnik_ | mhm |
| 07:05.10 | Klowner | cool |
| 07:05.17 | Klowner | 2D or 3D? |
| 07:05.21 | pupnik_ | 2 |
| 07:05.52 | Xisdibik | any good simulation games for the n900? |
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| 07:06.30 | pupnik_ | like what |
| 07:06.48 | pupnik_ | afaik no |
| 07:07.05 | Xisdibik | like.. simcity (but not simcity) |
| 07:07.33 | pupnik_ | there was openttd for n8x0 |
| 07:07.44 | pupnik_ | and some sim city clone too |
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| 07:10.40 | Xisdibik | probably lincity |
| 07:11.11 | Klowner | If I could find some info regarding doing OpenGL ES stuff with the SDK I'd start tinkering now |
| 07:11.15 | Xisdibik | how effective is dosbox on the n900, for like old win95 games |
| 07:11.16 | Klowner | haven't had time to dig though |
| 07:12.00 | pupnik_ | no windows |
| 07:12.44 | pupnik_ | runs most dos games from 1981-1990 fine |
| 07:12.59 | pupnik_ | mouse is broken |
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| 07:15.01 | pupnik_ | turning off sound you get maybe 20mhz 386 or better |
| 07:16.56 | kirma | is there alt-tab style window switching shortcut on n900/maemo5? |
| 07:16.57 | Arkenoi | is there pgp-enabled email client for maemo? or maybe pgp plugin? |
| 07:17.13 | kirma | that's available on e90, and I'm missing it quite a bit |
| 07:17.58 | wazd | hello maemo |
| 07:20.24 | pupnik_ | kirma ctrl-del |
| 07:20.47 | pupnik_ | app overview - no "tab" switching |
| 07:21.06 | pupnik_ | no inferior tab switching |
| 07:23.05 | kirma | well, I know ctrl-backspace, but that's not what I want :I |
| 07:23.27 | kirma | I suppose window manager (or what it should be called) is open source? |
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| 07:24.58 | kirma | most of the applications being switched are on "top of the stack" at least for me |
| 07:27.59 | kirma | I can imagine several ways of doing it really |
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| 08:31.39 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:32.10 | SpeedEvil | ^stormy |
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| 08:34.18 | tlir | lo... |
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| 08:35.00 | johnx | allo tlir |
| 08:36.43 | pillar | good morning |
| 08:37.52 | tlir | how's everyone today? |
| 08:38.14 | pillar | good since my n900 is right beside me :) |
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| 08:38.43 | pillar | wondering though how to check the firmware version to see if the topics firmware is newer |
| 08:38.52 | maexmo | good morning |
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| 08:40.04 | tigert | pillar: controlpanel > about product |
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| 08:42.03 | johnx | dunno how everyone else is, but I'm ok |
| 08:42.03 | johnx | long day though |
| 08:42.28 | maexmo | how do i start x-terminal if running maemo5 with virtualbox, the standard shortcut does not work as it seems? my deeper prob is - ubuntu has internet, resolv.conf is copied to maemo but it does not have internet connect. so i would like to see what ifconfig shows.. |
| 08:42.38 | pillar | tiger nice, thank you |
| 08:45.19 | vesa | maexmo: check the resolv.conf outside scratchbox for the dns address that it's the same within scratchbox. atleast that was my solution to the same problem |
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| 08:49.34 | maexmo | thanks vesa, /etc/resolv.conf + /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf are the same. but still does not connect |
| 08:50.04 | maexmo | is it possible to access x-terminal at the emulation too? |
| 08:50.10 | det | How feasible would it be to get a n900 with only a data plan and make all phone calls over skype ? |
| 08:51.27 | maexmo | :> nice idea with skype out . . our providers here do have extra plans for skype calls on mobile phones .. so if you call 10 mins overs skype they will extra charge that 10 mins additionally to the skype-out costs. depends on your provider if they limit / charge skype/voip calls |
| 08:51.53 | det | Is that responding to me ? |
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| 08:53.43 | ali1234 | det: i heard that 3 in the UK are doing a data plan that allows you to do exactly that, and the skype usage doesn't even come out of your data allowance or cost you anything beyond what you pay for skype out, so... |
| 08:53.56 | Arkenoi | maexmo: route it over vpn and they won't notice ;-) |
| 08:54.06 | ali1234 | so i guess it completely depends where you live |
| 08:54.30 | det | How well does skype cope with changing IP address? |
| 08:54.50 | det | For instance, I am using my home wifi, and I leave my house and change to tmobile data service ? |
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| 08:54.57 | det | all while speaking on the phone |
| 08:55.01 | Termana | yello |
| 08:55.07 | ali1234 | heh, no, that isn;t going to work |
| 08:55.13 | Arkenoi | actually i think extra charging for certain kinds of network traffic is very questionable practice and even illegal in most countries |
| 08:55.31 | crashanddie_ | no it's not |
| 08:55.44 | det | Arkenoi, ToS preventing certain kinds of service is well established |
| 08:56.13 | det | I would expect something like SIP could be easily hidden though |
| 08:56.40 | crashanddie_ | they can prove by a + b that specific kind of network traffic is more costly as more people use it at a given time (for example, their tier 2 backbone to facebook costs a lot more to manage than a simple link to securabit.com) |
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| 08:57.05 | Arkenoi | thinks network neutrality should be enforced by the law to prevent greedy telecoms from abuse |
| 08:57.15 | tank-man | what? isnt this what the whole network nuetrality thing is about? |
| 08:57.48 | Myrtti | it's all a global conspiracy |
| 08:57.50 | tank-man | how does 1MB of data going to/from facebook cost more than 1MB of data going to/from google.com |
| 08:57.51 | det | disallowing skype isnt much different than home broadband disallowing running servers |
| 08:57.53 | Arkenoi | well, that's what i pay for |
| 08:58.11 | Arkenoi | and if they sell me the service it is not their business how do i use it |
| 08:58.21 | Myrtti | Arkenoi: er, unless you abuse it |
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| 08:58.31 | det | It would be really nice to have VOIP only phone |
| 08:58.35 | Myrtti | and they define abuse, not you |
| 08:58.35 | Arkenoi | i paid for it, therefore it is not abuse |
| 08:58.37 | crashanddie_ | tank-man, I didn't say that, but facebook uses more data, and is used by more people than any other website (for the sake of example) |
| 08:58.41 | det | that switches wifi and 3g |
| 08:58.45 | Myrtti | Arkenoi: ahahah, have a lollipop |
| 08:58.46 | Arkenoi | thinking voip is any different *is* abuse |
| 08:58.51 | Myrtti | your naivite is refreshing |
| 08:59.30 | Arkenoi | myrtti: here in russia if you block voip you will probably get your ISP license revoked |
| 08:59.42 | Arkenoi | and that's right |
| 08:59.44 | maexmo | back again .. arkenoi .. yea doing a openvpn tunnel to my server and routing all internet traffic / skype traffic over it .. good idea :D |
| 08:59.55 | crashanddie_ | Arkenoi, when you go to a car dealer, and the ferrari enzo is at just over a million, and you say "I want to be able to pull a caravan with it". They won't stop you, but the warranty will be void pretty soon. Same thing here really. You can pay for it all you want, that doesn't mean ANYONE on earth has to accommodate you |
| 09:00.19 | det | crashanddie_, that is a terrible analogy |
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| 09:00.23 | crashanddie_ | det, agreed |
| 09:00.25 | crashanddie_ | I just woke up |
| 09:00.35 | Myrtti | Arkenoi: Skype isn't all about voip, and abuse defined by isp can cover just about anything even from using google if you do nothing but refresh google.ru every three seconds. |
| 09:01.05 | tlir | how many here have setup'ed their mobile devices to access their email/ms exchange services? |
| 09:01.07 | Arkenoi | and voip traffic is ridiculously small compared to say. blueray image download |
| 09:01.21 | crashanddie_ | tlir, pretty much everyone |
| 09:01.29 | Myrtti | Arkenoi: but Skype is more than just voip. it's p2p technology too. |
| 09:01.38 | Arkenoi | the difference is they are trying to sell obsolete and useless thing that actually does not exist and is not even a service, called "long distance" |
| 09:01.42 | crashanddie_ | Arkenoi, no, not at all. |
| 09:01.51 | Arkenoi | there is no such kind as "distance" in the internet |
| 09:02.02 | Myrtti | yes, there is |
| 09:02.05 | Myrtti | but nevermind |
| 09:02.08 | Myrtti | moving on |
| 09:02.17 | tlir | uhmm... I'm having some paranoia issues with doing it since I am then having to expose my user/pass details to the service (in my case it's gmail) |
| 09:02.20 | crashanddie_ | Arkenoi, if I "max out" the available bandwidth through Skype or through any other protocol, do you think there's any kind of difference? |
| 09:02.23 | tbf | Arkenoi: Myrtti: hops? latency? |
| 09:02.52 | Arkenoi | crash: so no one should care *which* protocol i do actually use |
| 09:03.02 | tbf | Arkenoi: just run tracepath/traceroute against your home router, your ISP's website, your local news paper and some site on the other side of the globe |
| 09:03.09 | Arkenoi | if it is perfectly legal for me to download blueray images then skype should be as well |
| 09:03.13 | tlir | the actual paranoia is that if the device is stolen/lost then anyone with a bit of knowledge will be able to get the user/pass details for the account. |
| 09:03.14 | crashanddie_ | Arkenoi, the thing is no one actually used P2P on 3G networks -- the ISPs haven't "noticed" yet |
| 09:03.15 | tbf | there is distance. |
| 09:03.17 | Arkenoi | actually i hate skype and prefer sip ;-) |
| 09:03.26 | Myrtti | Arkenoi: but we're not talking about LEGALITY, are we?! |
| 09:03.29 | crashanddie_ | tlir, no they wouldn't |
| 09:03.36 | tlir | crashanddie_: why not? |
| 09:03.45 | crashanddie_ | tlir, because we only save a hash of the password? |
| 09:03.46 | tlir | crashanddie_: these details are stored in the device. |
| 09:03.54 | crashanddie_ | tlir, security best practises 101 |
| 09:03.57 | maexmo | the point is that if you do skype calls, you do harm the local telecom companies because you do not use their phone services where they are earning their money. since you do phone services over ip, its legal to charge a very small amount for using they dataservices for phone calls. dont know if the law is same in whole europe but in austria it is like that. |
| 09:03.58 | Myrtti | Arkenoi: we're talking about the sanctions put up by the isp, not some wishywashy legal issues |
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| 09:04.08 | tlir | crashanddie_: whose "we" that save a hash of the password? |
| 09:04.24 | crashanddie_ | tlir, pinky and the brain |
| 09:04.25 | Arkenoi | crash: just because we do not have true unlimited data plans here. by the way, p2p is most of 4g network traffic here in Russia as 4g is flat rate |
| 09:04.32 | det | one of the reasons I would like to use skype over 3g/wifi is so I could have 1 number at home or cell |
| 09:04.37 | tlir | crashanddie_: seriously. |
| 09:04.47 | hrw | morning |
| 09:04.51 | crashanddie_ | Arkenoi, det, I use skype all the time over 3g |
| 09:04.56 | Myrtti | 4g? |
| 09:04.57 | Myrtti | wow |
| 09:05.02 | crashanddie_ | I use my corporate SIM card, works fine |
| 09:05.09 | Myrtti | so the LTE/whatever adoption is going on fast in russia? |
| 09:05.13 | Arkenoi | wimax |
| 09:05.21 | Myrtti | oh, Wimax... |
| 09:05.22 | Myrtti | right. |
| 09:05.23 | maexmo | i like sip more too .. since i can call trough my sipaccount and clip (show) my standard phonenumber to other users :) they never know if i am calling from landline or sip client |
| 09:05.24 | det | crashanddie_, can skype switch from 3g to wifi without losing the call ? |
| 09:05.26 | Arkenoi | quite wide adoption and good coverage in big cities |
| 09:05.29 | crashanddie_ | det, no |
| 09:05.37 | det | that's too bad |
| 09:05.46 | crashanddie_ | det, well, understandable really |
| 09:05.57 | det | I dont know, seems rather simple to implement |
| 09:06.03 | crashanddie_ | det, it does? |
| 09:06.27 | maexmo | back to my question > how do i enter x-terminal in virtualbox maemo ? |
| 09:06.31 | det | send some new packets from new IP address switching to new IP ? |
| 09:06.38 | Arkenoi | wimax is better than lte because unlike lte wimax networks are *not* owned by phone companies who try to sell voice traffic by reidiculously high price |
| 09:06.50 | Arkenoi | so they just do not care if someone "loses money" |
| 09:06.52 | crashanddie_ | det, ignorance is bliss? |
| 09:07.01 | det | crashanddie_, perhaps |
| 09:07.14 | tlir | crashanddie_: I'm really serious. can you explain please? |
| 09:07.15 | det | crashanddie_, what phone do you use to make 3g skype calls ? |
| 09:07.22 | crashanddie_ | det, n900 |
| 09:07.31 | maexmo | :X |
| 09:07.44 | Arkenoi | maexmo: i do the same ;-) |
| 09:07.56 | maexmo | not available yet here :( |
| 09:07.58 | det | crashanddie_, how does 3g/wifi work |
| 09:08.09 | det | crashanddie_, if you move into a hotspot |
| 09:08.09 | crashanddie_ | through the air |
| 09:08.10 | maexmo | what prices did u pay? without service contract |
| 09:08.15 | det | do you have 2 ip addresses? |
| 09:08.21 | det | does it ask you to switch, etc ? |
| 09:08.22 | crashanddie_ | maexmo, didn't pay for it |
| 09:08.29 | crashanddie_ | det, you can configure a whole lot of behaviours |
| 09:08.36 | maexmo | nice testimonial? :> |
| 09:08.48 | det | crashanddie_, can you be connected to both at once ? |
| 09:08.54 | crashanddie_ | maexmo, I was in amsterdam during the summit |
| 09:09.21 | crashanddie_ | det, but usually, the default, is that it connects to 3g when there is no wifi available, and disconnects 3g when there is wifi that you previously accepted or provided a key for |
| 09:09.21 | maexmo | at the coffeshop ^^ |
| 09:09.23 | ali1234 | maexmo: do you mean the SDK running in virtualbox, or do you mean... in the maemo running in the SDK in the virtualbox? |
| 09:09.39 | crashanddie_ | as far as I can tell, you not be connected to both networks at once |
| 09:09.53 | crashanddie_ | s/you/you can/ |
| 09:10.03 | det | crashanddie_, so if you are making a 3g phone call and come into range of your home wifi, your call is dropped by default ? |
| 09:10.13 | maexmo | ali1234: right! i run Maemo_PreFinal_2_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image |
| 09:10.15 | crashanddie_ | det, could be, never tried it |
| 09:10.32 | ali1234 | maexmo: so, is the question how to start a terminal on the ubuntu? |
| 09:10.41 | hrw | crashanddie_: you should be able to be connected to 3G and WiFi at same time. maybe maemo connection manager does not allow it but otherwise it is doable |
| 09:10.53 | crashanddie_ | ali1234, applications > accessories > terminal |
| 09:11.02 | det | crashanddie_, ok, thanks for the info |
| 09:11.07 | crashanddie_ | hrw, my thoughts as well |
| 09:11.13 | maexmo | ali1234: no, i am familiar with ubuntu + debian .. i need to access the maemo x-terminal (on that n900) |
| 09:11.29 | hrw | crashanddie_: basically with n900 you can have 4 normal interfaces at same time + countless vpns |
| 09:11.35 | maexmo | crashanddie_ on my vers there is no terminal in the accessories |
| 09:11.49 | crashanddie_ | maexmo, oh, you're talking about the n900? |
| 09:11.54 | hrw | crashanddie_: usb0 (usbnet), bnep0 (BT PAN), ppp0 (3G,gsm), wlan0 (wifi) |
| 09:12.13 | Stskeeps | maexmo: virtualbox/Virtual Image is not a N900 emulator |
| 09:12.25 | ali1234 | maexmo: well... the scratchbox shell is exactly the same thing as running a terminal within the X session |
| 09:12.58 | maexmo | mhm it looks like the n900 so it seems like emu :> even its a sdk i want to have a bit look and feel of n900 |
| 09:13.17 | hrw | crashanddie_: and of course maemo will tell you that usb0 and bnep0 are not possible |
| 09:13.28 | crashanddie_ | hrw, yet |
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| 09:14.38 | maexmo | ali1234: thanks so i use that scratchbox shell and will try to figure out why my maemo does not have internet connect |
| 09:15.21 | hrw | maexmo: internet connection or name resolving? |
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| 09:16.17 | maexmo | hrw: i dont know but i think internet connection, since i have same resolv.conf in scratchbox as in /etc/ |
| 09:16.37 | crashanddie_ | maexmo, can ubuntu access the web? |
| 09:16.43 | hrw | maexmo: "ping 212.33.64.2" |
| 09:17.10 | maexmo | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > bash ping command not found |
| 09:17.38 | hrw | I love sbox |
| 09:17.40 | maexmo | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > ifconfig shows same ip as ubuntu ip .. hmmm |
| 09:18.15 | maexmo | its cool with ... Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800×480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & ... it looks like n900 :) |
| 09:18.34 | jjo | you need the same resolv.conf in /scratchbox/etc as well as in the target /etc |
| 09:18.41 | maexmo | i do have |
| 09:19.17 | hrw | maexmo: welcome in sbox world where things can be broken in ways you never thought that it is possible |
| 09:19.38 | maexmo | xD |
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| 09:19.48 | maexmo | hrw: you make good mood |
| 09:19.51 | maexmo | hrhr |
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| 09:19.58 | maexmo | < afk > 5 min |
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| 09:20.15 | zeev | Hi, anybody got his preordered n900 already?? |
| 09:20.26 | zeev | in USA |
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| 09:22.24 | maexmo | where is it cheapest to buy? :> no contract |
| 09:23.43 | `0660_ | the question is: where can one buy it? :) |
| 09:23.49 | maexmo | ^^ |
| 09:24.04 | zeev | http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetailbymodel_10500_10101_-1_10000367_Y |
| 09:25.17 | crashanddie_ | god play.com has starte to have a shitty service |
| 09:26.19 | crashanddie_ | order placed on sunday, still says "packing", I call the service, they're saying the thing isn't in stock... "So why doesn't the website say Temporarily out of stock?" "Because we're packing them" "But you don't have them" "Correct" "..." |
| 09:27.22 | tigert | bah |
| 09:27.30 | maexmo | lol |
| 09:27.38 | tigert | hopefully its a glitch that goes away |
| 09:27.46 | tigert | play.com has been good in service |
| 09:28.01 | hrw | ;d |
| 09:28.35 | jjo | I just had that also |
| 09:28.44 | hrw | I wish I can say same about DDP |
| 09:29.19 | jjo | crashanddie_: did they charge for it already? |
| 09:29.34 | crashanddie_ | "Can I cancel the order, I'm leaving the country on sunday and won't receive the items in time" "No, as we are packing you can't cancel anymore" "But you said you didn't have them in stock" "Correct" "So why can't I cancel, it hasn't been dispatched" |
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| 09:30.01 | jjo | they did for me and when I asked them to cancel the order and refund, they didin't refund it fully |
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| 09:30.23 | crashanddie_ | I'll call from the office, after calling my bank to cancel the payment |
| 09:30.35 | crashanddie_ | late for work, talk later, doei! |
| 09:30.53 | maexmo | crazy.. |
| 09:31.02 | crashanddie_ | (Canceling the payment usually helps to have them cancel the order... They find some miraculous way to do it) |
| 09:31.16 | maexmo | for sure :P |
| 09:31.25 | Arkenoi | is it possible to have "nokia phone" style screensaver on n900 (non-backlit picture)? |
| 09:31.56 | suihkulokki | your battery lasts too long? |
| 09:32.10 | Arkenoi | :-) |
| 09:32.20 | Arkenoi | does it consume battery too much? |
| 09:32.32 | Arkenoi | if symbian can afford it, why maemo cannot? |
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| 09:33.11 | Stskeeps | Arkenoi: i always wondered how they manage to pull that off |
| 09:35.23 | RST38h | Sts: Backlight off, wake up and update every 3-5 seconeds |
| 09:36.01 | Arkenoi | rst38h: and how long will it last? |
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| 09:48.08 | Stskeeps | morning felbutss |
| 09:48.25 | felbutss | lol its 8.47 pm where i am |
| 09:48.26 | felbutss | lol |
| 09:48.35 | Stskeeps | timezones are a bitch P |
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| 09:49.02 | Stskeeps | felbutss: you don't happen to have any other phones that use the same battery type? |
| 09:49.15 | felbutss | ye no luck, tryed it in linux and no hope. |
| 09:49.19 | felbutss | lol thats what i was thinking |
| 09:49.24 | felbutss | but no i dont |
| 09:49.51 | felbutss | i does turn on fully backlit but freezs and turns off so i dont think the battery is low |
| 09:50.01 | Stskeeps | ok, still got the linux machine open? |
| 09:50.24 | hrw | ~ugt |
| 09:50.25 | infobot | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 09:51.05 | felbutss | i can boot it up. got linux on a Bootable usb stick. want me 2? |
| 09:51.10 | Stskeeps | yes please |
| 09:51.16 | felbutss | just a sec |
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| 09:53.13 | maexmo | hrw: thanks that made my day :D .. never heard about ugt since i use irc .. 14 years more or less frequently.. lol |
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| 09:54.09 | Lorthirk | good morning guys |
| 09:55.50 | sjaensch | hi |
| 09:56.05 | Lorthirk | i was wondering... would the community take benefit from an(other?) technic blog about programming for n900/maemo? |
| 09:56.55 | Stskeeps | Lorthirk: any contributions that aren't trolling are obviously welcome :) |
| 09:57.11 | Lorthirk | yes, this was my first thought |
| 09:57.30 | Lorthirk | but then i found myself thinking about the REAL advantage |
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| 09:59.48 | Stskeeps | which is..? :P |
| 10:00.54 | Lorthirk | which is the reason i asked the question in the first place :) |
| 10:00.57 | Lorthirk | i mean |
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| 10:01.07 | Lorthirk | it will be "yet another programming blog" |
| 10:01.15 | Lorthirk | or maybe somehow could find it really useful? |
| 10:01.56 | Stskeeps | tutorials? :P |
| 10:02.04 | Stskeeps | someone's investigating maemo6 UI stuff too |
| 10:02.30 | Stskeeps | check out what exists on planet.maemo.org already |
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| 10:02.35 | Stskeeps | find your niche.. |
| 10:02.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:03.43 | Lorthirk | it's all about finding a niche, it seems |
| 10:04.08 | Lorthirk | i'm a fresh-graduated programmer, and i thought that dealing with maemo would have been my niche |
| 10:04.15 | Lorthirk | now i have to find a niche in the niche :D |
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| 10:14.23 | RST38h | heya wazd, VDVsx |
| 10:14.41 | VDVsx | morning RST38h |
| 10:14.53 | RST38h | "An Oz Outback community is battling to regain control of its town from a 6,000-strong feral camel invasion, which has seen the thirsty dromedaries cause "chaos" in their search for water." |
| 10:17.04 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: All packed? |
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| 10:18.11 | Lorthirk | the earth is taking its revenge? |
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| 10:18.26 | srikumar_hyd | can anyone tell where can i find the kernel image file in FREMANTLE_ARMEL target? |
| 10:19.57 | srikumar_hyd | i just installed maemo SDK5 on my ubuntu and set FREMANTLE_ARMEL target.... |
| 10:19.57 | wazd | RST38h: heya, hello all :) |
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| 10:37.15 | felbutss | hey stskeeps. im trying to boot linux on my laptop(ive tryed 2) and the mouse pad isnt working. i even tryed a USB mouse lol. dam dam dam |
| 10:37.23 | felbutss | wht would u like me 2 try anyway |
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| 10:38.23 | felbutss | ill take down some notes and try it when i leave my GF's house |
| 10:38.51 | Stskeeps | felbutss: basically you need to grab the flasher and firmware image, try flashing there |
| 10:39.17 | felbutss | i have. same issue as windows |
| 10:39.23 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 10:39.42 | Stskeeps | does 'dmesg' say anything about N900 or Nokia? |
| 10:39.43 | felbutss | is there another command i can use. like a cold flash |
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| 10:39.47 | Stskeeps | (it's a command) |
| 10:39.54 | Stskeeps | felbutss: you can only do that with a serial line i think :/ |
| 10:40.18 | felbutss | lol dam |
| 10:40.26 | Stskeeps | felbutss: at this point i would ask nokia care if they some way can charge your n900 battery |
| 10:40.35 | srikumar_hyd | i just installed maemo SDK5 on my ubuntu and set FREMANTLE_ARMEL target....can anyone tell where can i find the kernel image file in FREMANTLE_ARMEL target? |
| 10:40.38 | felbutss | good point |
| 10:40.49 | Stskeeps | felbutss: that's something i would think they could do |
| 10:41.05 | felbutss | lol hopfully they can |
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| 10:41.17 | felbutss | the poeple at NCS were useless |
| 10:41.41 | Stskeeps | the 5800 uses it i think |
| 10:41.55 | Stskeeps | and 5230 |
| 10:42.12 | felbutss | hhmmmmmm really????? might do some research i think |
| 10:42.41 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 10:45.00 | Stskeeps | BP-5J battery |
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| 10:47.40 | felbutss | calling my friends now for a swap of baterys |
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| 10:49.31 | Stskeeps | felbutss: i've had a N800 doing a similar stunt for what it's worth |
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| 10:53.25 | maexmo | srikumar_hyd: why u chose armel, u have an arm proc? |
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| 10:54.09 | srikumar_hyd | no.....its through scratchbox only |
| 10:54.45 | srikumar_hyd | maexmo: i checked for X86 also....but not found |
| 10:54.55 | Stskeeps | srikumar_hyd: there's no kernel installed in scratchbox |
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| 10:56.59 | srikumar_hyd | so, how does a rootstrap would get kernel to build it for target device? |
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| 11:12.50 | vesa | uhh, what version of glsl does the n900 support? 1.2? |
| 11:13.09 | timeless_mbp | help |
| 11:13.24 | timeless_mbp | can someone from .uk help me call a number in .uk? |
| 11:13.49 | zaheerm | timeless_mbp, i can in 15 mins.. |
| 11:13.58 | zaheerm | am on a conf call |
| 11:14.06 | timeless_mbp | vesa: Is that a trick question/ |
| 11:14.09 | timeless_mbp | thinks the answer is 2 |
| 11:16.18 | vesa | opengl es 2.0, but within there's the shader language glsl. i'm just getting to grips with opengl programming and am having a bit of trouble with emulation vs device |
| 11:17.07 | vesa | afaik opengl es 2.0 requires 1.0 glsl but can support newer version too |
| 11:17.13 | timeless_mbp | ah |
| 11:18.06 | timeless_mbp | having not heard any mention of a magic number |
| 11:18.11 | timeless_mbp | my assumption would be 1 :) |
| 11:18.15 | vesa | heh |
| 11:18.58 | tbf | vesa: if you just start you might want to try http://www.ogre3d.org/ |
| 11:19.07 | timeless_mbp | i'd assume based on the other announcements i can find that we'd advertise a higher number if we supported it |
| 11:19.12 | timeless_mbp | or a higher opengl number |
| 11:19.19 | timeless_mbp | sorry :) |
| 11:19.20 | tbf | vesa: no idea what it's worth (almost clueless about opengl) |
| 11:19.38 | timeless_mbp | i haven't touched opengl since hrm... roughly 1995 ? |
| 11:19.50 | timeless_mbp | call it 15 years ago :) |
| 11:19.50 | vesa | tbf: i'm aware of the project, used ogre on desktop waaaay back. but we've got a scripting language with bindings for opengl so it's all simple stuff + shaders atm while i'm learning the ropes |
| 11:20.06 | tbf | vesa: but that stuff shall be backend independent, so you could run plain OpenGL on desktop, and use their new OGLES 2.0 backend for N900 |
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| 11:20.36 | tbf | timeless_mbp: i am just astonish about all the GFX in modern games and demos... |
| 11:21.07 | tbf | timeless_mbp: ...and have to admit, that 3D GFX is one of the few programming fields where i am entirely clueless |
| 11:22.10 | vesa | last time i looked at opengl was when shaders were in assembler... es 2.0 is really clean and simple compared to that =) |
| 11:22.53 | timeless_mbp | tbf: oddly, i'm mostly underwhelmed :) |
| 11:23.06 | timeless_mbp | ~ when i was a little boy ~ |
| 11:23.10 | timeless_mbp | i saw really cool demos |
| 11:23.13 | timeless_mbp | (demoscene) |
| 11:23.28 | tbf | timeless_mbp: 2nd reality and such? |
| 11:23.31 | timeless_mbp | ~ but now i say.. live and let die ~ |
| 11:23.38 | timeless_mbp | tbf: sounds about right |
| 11:23.58 | tbf | timeless_mbp: was quite some fun to figure out their gfx :-D |
| 11:24.38 | tbf | "now how do i do scaling real time rotation on this stupid 386SX?" |
| 11:24.41 | mikhas | 2nd reality runs in dosbox |
| 11:24.50 | mikhas | which means ... you could demo it on the n900! |
| 11:24.58 | tbf | timeless_mbp: the tricks learned back then still help me today |
| 11:25.26 | SpeedEvil | tbf: Kids today. |
| 11:25.42 | SpeedEvil | tbf: Ask them how many cycles a line of code will take, and they look at you blankly. |
| 11:26.43 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: otoh ARM makes that kinda hard anyway |
| 11:26.50 | timeless_mbp | some things are async or something |
| 11:27.02 | timeless_mbp | my impression is that things don't have to arrive at a well defined point |
| 11:27.08 | timeless_mbp | (arm really confuses me) |
| 11:27.18 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: yes - however it's possible to get a closely defined limit. |
| 11:27.23 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, for the basic instructions, kids make me sad |
| 11:27.32 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 11:27.46 | timeless_mbp | i'd settle for Order of Magnitude statements about lines :) |
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| 11:29.58 | RST38h | Ok, back. So, what's cooking? |
| 11:31.32 | wazd | RST38h: HD2 has 1GHz cpu, why n900 has only 600 btw? :D |
| 11:33.40 | VDVsx | wazd, because we don't want a toaster in our pockets :P |
| 11:33.48 | VDVsx | hides |
| 11:34.05 | wazd | VDVsx: seriously, someone asked this at the meetup |
| 11:34.16 | RST38h | wazd: Different manufacturing technology probably. Most stuff on chip in OMAP3. Power consumption. |
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| 11:34.21 | wazd | VDVsx: My first thought was to evac thru the glass :D |
| 11:34.28 | VDVsx | lol |
| 11:34.50 | wazd | RST38h: Don't take it so serious :D |
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| 11:34.57 | Khertan | Hi .. |
| 11:35.06 | VDVsx | 600 is more than enough IMO |
| 11:35.09 | RST38h | wazd: Well, if you want to give someone a serious answer... =) |
| 11:35.11 | Khertan | Does extras-devel is dead ? |
| 11:35.26 | RST38h | Having said that, those 600 or 1000 do not do you much good as long as your SDRAM is 133 |
| 11:35.30 | wazd | RST38h: Now I have a bag, t-shirt and 3 stickers with lame maemo logo and cool penguins btw :) |
| 11:36.05 | RST38h | wazd <=== Other people got N900s, and all he has got is a lame t-shirt ! 8) |
| 11:36.22 | wazd | How can I enable extras on that bag? :D |
| 11:36.52 | RST38h | (actually, we both know the guy who won N900 at yesterday meetup) |
| 11:37.15 | wazd | RST38h: yeah, bastard :) |
| 11:37.33 | tarelerulz | I have been reading up on webos and android . How does meamo compare to those ? |
| 11:37.44 | RST38h | yes, how does it compare? |
| 11:37.46 | wazd | tarelerulz: way ahead |
| 11:38.47 | tarelerulz | Ward , in what way is it ahead ? |
| 11:38.52 | VDVsx | wazd, who's was there speaking ? someone known ? :) |
| 11:39.49 | Khertan | did i forgot somethings ? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-2 |
| 11:40.02 | range | tarelerulz: By having a usable and open Linux system on the machine? |
| 11:40.19 | wazd | VDVsx: no, some lame PR guy |
| 11:40.27 | wazd | VDVsx: as I predicted :D |
| 11:40.27 | lardman | morning |
| 11:40.33 | wazd | lardman: heya |
| 11:40.45 | lardman | kalikianatoli: hildon mime works wonders, but doesn't handle vcards |
| 11:40.48 | lardman | hi wazd |
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| 11:41.20 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 11:41.30 | crashanddie | guys, remember this morning I talked about my order at play.com that went south? |
| 11:41.58 | crashanddie | I called my bank, had the payment cancelled, called play.com again to tell them it had been canceled, they put me through to a manager and what not |
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| 11:42.02 | kalikianatoli | lardman, how do you use/ pass those? aren't vcards just files? |
| 11:42.10 | crashanddie | I received the email confirming my order had been canceled |
| 11:42.17 | crashanddie | I just received another email, confirming my order had been posted |
| 11:42.18 | tarelerulz | Well, I have heard of maemo and read about it on wiki ,but that don't tell you its current state . That all looks good on papper ,but it would be good to know from real users |
| 11:42.26 | lardman | kalikianatoli: as a URI |
| 11:42.36 | lardman | kalikianatoli: so yeah, if it were saved as a file it may well work |
| 11:43.07 | lardman | I need to do that for .install files, so may as well do the same for the vcards too |
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| 11:43.31 | kalikianatoli | what a pity |
| 11:43.47 | tarelerulz | Doe it have any thing like multi-touch ? |
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| 11:45.13 | javispedro | morning |
| 11:45.27 | Khertan | hum .... still no way to debug .desktop file on maemo 5 ? |
| 11:45.31 | Stskeeps | morning javispedro |
| 11:45.52 | Khertan | tarelerulz: google is your friend |
| 11:46.02 | javispedro | did you survive a long night full of trolls? |
| 11:46.12 | kalikianatoli | lardman, btw do you know a good way to do "open xy with foobar"? ie. if you know the app and the file already |
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| 11:46.30 | kalikianatoli | osso rpc doesn't seem to be good enough |
| 11:46.43 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: really ? |
| 11:46.59 | Khertan | seems working fine for pygtkeditor |
| 11:47.28 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, It is possible that my code is flawed. If it works for you, I'd love to see how you use it :-) |
| 11:47.29 | lardman | derf: what's your TMO username? |
| 11:47.38 | tarelerulz | I am not trying to make anyone made . I am really just wondering . It sounded cool ,but a lot of Open source stuff does then you try it and its not as good as it sounded on paper. I might get it is has enough wanted features. Not fan boy of anything |
| 11:47.48 | lardman | kalikianatoli: no sorry |
| 11:47.55 | lardman | kalikianatoli: I've been using dbus calls so far |
| 11:48.07 | lardman | kalikianatoli: but they are specific to the apps in question |
| 11:48.10 | Stskeeps | tarelerulz: yeah, but most open source stuff isn't backed by a commercial company |
| 11:48.27 | kalikianatoli | lardman, boo for hardcoding apps :-) |
| 11:48.33 | Stskeeps | tarelerulz: nokia have had many professionals working on this platform, and i love this phone. |
| 11:48.42 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: you can look in the source of pygtkeditor in pygtkeditor.py at http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/p/pygtkeditor/pygtkeditor_3.0.0-2.tar.gz |
| 11:48.54 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, thanks |
| 11:49.12 | lardman | kalikianatoli: well I've moved to hildonmime now for everything bar vcards, and will write those to file to use mime too |
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| 11:50.44 | kalikianatoli | lardman, okay, we're still friends then :D |
| 11:51.41 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, and good to see you were able to use the stock mapping |
| 11:52.07 | Khertan | ah yes :) |
| 11:52.40 | Khertan | but ... the application didn't launch from the menu ... surely a incorrect .desktop file |
| 11:53.07 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, I see a mime callback there. what I need is the opposite side |
| 11:53.19 | kalikianatoli | ie. open a file with app foobar |
| 11:53.23 | Khertan | arf ... no ... it s an error in the launch script |
| 11:53.36 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: ah ... ok ... sorry i didn't understand that |
| 11:54.11 | Khertan | personnally i open some script from pygtkeditor directly by calling a subcommand : '/usr/bin/osso-xterm myfiletolaunch.py' |
| 11:54.46 | kalikianatoli | the problem is that almost no app supports command line calling |
| 11:54.52 | Khertan | yep ... |
| 11:54.52 | kalikianatoli | with arguments that is |
| 11:55.24 | Khertan | and it s clearly depends on application if they read args / dbus / osso.rpc |
| 11:55.26 | kalikianatoli | so basically I need to use osso where I would've run a file |
| 11:55.55 | Khertan | hum ... and no open command too |
| 11:56.03 | Khertan | it ll we too easy :) |
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| 11:56.38 | kalikianatoli | I guess I'll have to lookup the desktop files manually |
| 11:57.25 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/wwwold/documentation/python_osso_examples/code/mime/osso_test_mime_open.py |
| 11:58.27 | Khertan | does this works ? |
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| 11:59.18 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, yeah, opening like that seems to be fine. what I'm missing is the case where I know the app name |
| 11:59.29 | kalikianatoli | ie. the user chose it from a preference |
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| 11:59.56 | javispedro | ah, with the latest xkcd I guess skifree is going to make a comeback |
| 12:00.03 | kalikianatoli | real example: the user doesn't want the default text editor |
| 12:01.07 | lardman | so anyone with amazon web services experience fancy doing some coding? |
| 12:01.10 | lardman | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=391154 |
| 12:01.14 | lardman | in C |
| 12:01.14 | lardman | :p |
| 12:01.50 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: hum ... no documentation for python-osso ;) |
| 12:01.51 | Khertan | lol |
| 12:01.58 | lardman | kalikianatoli: cool mbarcode 0.0.4 just cleared the compilation bar, so now hildon mimified :) |
| 12:02.18 | Khertan | hildon momified ? |
| 12:02.19 | Khertan | :) |
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| 12:02.30 | SpeedEvil | lardman: have you thought about contacting asda et al, and asking for a database? |
| 12:02.30 | lardman | hildonmime-ified |
| 12:02.32 | lardman | sorry ;) |
| 12:02.47 | lardman | SpeedEvil: not yet, not at that level of workingness |
| 12:03.02 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: gnomevfs.mime_set_default_application(sys.argv[1]) could do the trick ? |
| 12:03.11 | lardman | but I'm more than happy to add that sort of functionality, or to produce dbus messages to allow another app to use the decoding, etc |
| 12:03.25 | SpeedEvil | lardman: 'I would like to create an application to help shoppers at asda more easily plan food use, and scanning tins thrown away to add to an asda order' ... forex |
| 12:03.52 | lardman | absolutely |
| 12:04.00 | lardman | but I don't really have the time to do the work atm |
| 12:04.06 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:04.11 | achipa | lardman: in my other life I use AWS quite a bit, what do you need ? |
| 12:04.12 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, that would be global unfortunately. :-) |
| 12:04.19 | SpeedEvil | I need to finish my hacks on that topic. |
| 12:04.25 | lardman | achipa: a clue mainly |
| 12:04.37 | achipa | lardman: for... ? :) |
| 12:04.39 | lardman | achipa: C code to read AWS to obtain information about an EAN |
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| 12:06.01 | lardman | achipa: Ideally returning description, thumbnail url, price, and reviews, etc |
| 12:06.02 | achipa | lardman: I see. Stand by. |
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| 12:06.14 | lardman | prepares a flashbang |
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| 12:07.46 | lardman | too much MW2 I think... |
| 12:07.59 | crashanddie | lardman: so you got it? |
| 12:08.06 | crashanddie | err |
| 12:08.07 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, I'll try sending mime_open via dbus later today, maybe that does the trick |
| 12:08.10 | crashanddie | lardman: so you finished it? |
| 12:08.17 | crashanddie | lardman: did you prestige yet? |
| 12:08.21 | lardman | crashanddie: nah, only played it for a couple of disjointed hours |
| 12:08.23 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: osso_rpc_run_with_defaults <<< take the applications as parameters |
| 12:08.31 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: so it should do the trick |
| 12:08.39 | lardman | achipa: if it helps, librest is available |
| 12:08.49 | crashanddie | lardman: I've finished AC2, I'm around 98% or something... Stupid feathers I have to collect |
| 12:09.02 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, that's what I tried. and it says "osso_notes has no method with signature s" :-/ |
| 12:09.02 | lardman | crashanddie: on PC though |
| 12:09.08 | crashanddie | lardman: I know |
| 12:09.14 | lardman | crashanddie: am at the barrio in South America now |
| 12:09.18 | Khertan | kalikianatoli: ouchg |
| 12:09.26 | crashanddie | lardman: that's a bitch |
| 12:09.34 | Khertan | .... going to eat ... see you later |
| 12:09.35 | crashanddie | lardman: I died countless times there |
| 12:09.39 | crashanddie | Khertan: bon app! |
| 12:09.42 | lardman | me too! |
| 12:09.51 | crashanddie | lardman: veteran? |
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| 12:09.58 | lardman | am too much of a perfectionist, want to kill every last one of them |
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| 12:10.26 | crashanddie | lardman: at least it's not like MW1, where they kept spawning continuously |
| 12:10.29 | lardman | no, not playing on the hardest level, can't remember what it;s called |
| 12:11.05 | lardman | yeah was wondering if they do keep respawning or not |
| 12:11.05 | crashanddie | don't think they do |
| 12:11.05 | lardman | but playing for 20min at a time is fard |
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| 12:11.16 | achipa | lardman: got an example EAN at hand ? |
| 12:11.19 | crashanddie | lardman: though, it's amazing how "random" the AI is... They really did a good job |
| 12:11.41 | crashanddie | achipa: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/EAN-13-5901234123457.svg |
| 12:12.06 | lardman | achipa: 5410329305840 |
| 12:12.21 | crashanddie | achipa: http://www.dlsoft.com/images/ean0.png |
| 12:12.40 | SpeedEvil | lardman: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/message.jspa?messageID=41572 second last post? |
| 12:12.43 | lardman | tho actually that one probably won't appear on amazon |
| 12:12.59 | lardman | won't work in the UK? |
| 12:13.28 | lardman | yeah, well perhaps an ASIN search, and I can scrape the ASIN from somewhere? |
| 12:14.06 | lardman | achipa: that's just a load of garbage to me, no clue what it's supposed to mean |
| 12:14.12 | lardman | the example that is |
| 12:14.39 | SpeedEvil | lardman: the second last post said it worked |
| 12:14.41 | lardman | tho I have looked at the docs, but they assume you know about REST, which I don't really |
| 12:14.46 | lardman | yeah |
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| 12:15.36 | lardman | I'll do some work on it one day |
| 12:18.12 | lardman | achipa: thanks for looking though :) |
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| 12:25.19 | SpeedEvil | Anyone with payment taken from nokia.co.uk got another charge on their card? Immedaitely after the ~320, I have a 2 quid charge - which I don't understand. |
| 12:27.07 | frals | someone needed coffee money ;) |
| 12:27.15 | lardman | SpeedEvil: delivery cosr? |
| 12:27.17 | lardman | cost |
| 12:27.27 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Shouldn't be - order includes delivery |
| 12:27.41 | Lupu | How much is a quid? |
| 12:27.44 | SpeedEvil | bank says no details yet - maybe more in a couple of days. |
| 12:27.52 | SpeedEvil | $1.70 US ATM I think |
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| 12:29.07 | lardman | Lupu: more than a quid for a coffe nowadays! |
| 12:29.25 | lardman | 2 is probably about right ;) |
| 12:32.25 | achipa | lardman: grr, having difficulties with signing th requests |
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| 12:33.04 | achipa | lardman: and the 'helper' page asks for secret keys in a plain http POST. Duh. |
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| 12:33.40 | lardman | achipa: yeah, I was wondering about which keys to send, etc |
| 12:33.48 | lardman | will have to just sit down and do some testing I think |
| 12:34.08 | achipa | first make it work it with a plain get request |
| 12:34.20 | achipa | so you know your parameters are right |
| 12:34.32 | lardman | should I use e.g. librest |
| 12:34.43 | lardman | as it can handle some of the returned info parsing? |
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| 12:35.09 | lardman | atm I do a plain request for a normal web page, then parse it using strstr, which is not very good |
| 12:35.41 | lardman | achipa: how's Shepherd coming along? |
| 12:35.44 | achipa | yes, when you got the basic stuff (=amazon parameters) already working you can move on to librest |
| 12:35.53 | lardman | ok |
| 12:35.59 | achipa | lardman: http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSECommerceService/latest/DG/ |
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| 12:36.09 | achipa | api->operations->lookup |
| 12:36.13 | achipa | in case you have not seen it |
| 12:36.33 | lardman | yes found it a while back, then lost it |
| 12:36.43 | lardman | they don't make their docs very easy to understand |
| 12:36.59 | lardman | descriptions of services are rather opaque |
| 12:37.25 | achipa | lardman: coming along, I think I'll have some code in extras-devel this week, will be enough for some basic plugins |
| 12:38.10 | achipa | what's killing me is the hybrid Qt+GTK stuff required for the connection apis |
| 12:38.50 | achipa | you start reading the 'qt dev guide for maemo 5' and then halway through you realize there is no Qt anymore, just GObjects :) |
| 12:39.39 | achipa | but don't let that bother you, the dbus stuff is I think OK... |
| 12:40.24 | zaheerm | gtk != gobject |
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| 12:43.18 | adeus | well after a while of gtk programming you start to see G_OBJECT and gtk_ in your sleep :) |
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| 12:45.27 | lardman | I'm looking forward to Qt, not the C++ness mind you, but would prefer to just move in one go rather than in bits |
| 12:46.06 | lardman | achipa: great, am looking forward to some location awareness apps :) |
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| 12:46.46 | achipa | zaheerm: yes, yes, I realize, but it doesn't make it any easier |
| 12:47.26 | kynde | What are these "Couldn't access keyring" failures I now get in scratchbox when doing apt-get update? Anyone seen those? |
| 12:48.15 | zaheerm | achipa, they should really use gobject-introspection to make qt native shims on top of the gobject apis |
| 12:48.23 | achipa | zaheerm: it's just that I need gobject-mongery in my Qt code as much as a fish needs a bicycle :) |
| 12:48.49 | zaheerm | "real" c++ programmers would say the same about qt.... ;) |
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| 12:49.04 | mece | hello |
| 12:49.27 | achipa | zaheerm: right, but considering their track record they'll just drop it and use a native Qt lib, hello rewrites :) |
| 12:50.16 | maexmo | in maemo5 i have activated the red pill and [x] assume net connection in settings, so he should try to access internet. resolv.conf is same as the ubuntu host running on virtualbox. |
| 12:50.46 | maexmo | if i do ifconfig at the scratchbox or in [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] i get same informations as in the standard host ifconfig. somebody said if i am in that sbox its as if i were on maemo, but doesn't seems so. |
| 12:50.52 | lardman | kynde: yeah ignore that |
| 12:51.59 | kynde | lardman: ack. |
| 12:53.31 | maexmo | so i do not have internet connect in maemo, but in the ubuntu hostsystem. |
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| 12:55.14 | adeus | are you behing a proxy? |
| 12:55.21 | adeus | *behind |
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| 12:55.35 | maexmo | no |
| 12:56.21 | adeus | [sbox-armel: ~] > cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:56.22 | adeus | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:56.28 | adeus | this is all I have there |
| 12:56.39 | maexmo | localhost? hmm |
| 12:57.01 | maexmo | me too |
| 12:57.03 | Khertan | crashanddie: merci :) |
| 12:57.39 | tigert | copy hosts resolvconf into scratchbox |
| 12:57.57 | mece1 | adeus: I copied my resolv from /etc to /scratchbox/targets/<something>/etc |
| 12:58.44 | mece1 | Is there someone here with an N900 in hand? |
| 12:59.39 | adeus | I haven't done any copying |
| 12:59.48 | adeus | and works |
| 12:59.54 | maexmo | copied resolv.conf to /scratchbox/etc and /scratchbox/users/maemo/FREMANTLE_X86/etc .. but those are same |
| 13:00.36 | maexmo | adeus how can u get into x-terminal of maemo. it should be that sbox-armel] but if i do ifconfig there i get same data than ifconfig at ubuntu hostsystem |
| 13:01.19 | maexmo | but not the maemo information (ppp0 , etc missing) |
| 13:01.26 | lardman | just to remind me, a dbus message can't start an app can it? |
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| 13:01.51 | achipa | zaheerm: and there ARE plenty of pure GTK examples in the Qt guide :) |
| 13:01.52 | maexmo | hm |
| 13:01.58 | achipa | http://pastebin.com/m23580ee3 |
| 13:02.14 | maexmo | it works now .. after copying same resolv.conf for fifth time and a reload.. strange |
| 13:02.54 | maexmo | thanks for stabbing me to copy that resolv.conf again ;) |
| 13:03.37 | mece1 | No-one with an N900.. oh well. The reason I ask is that playing a normal mp3 used a massive 35% cpu, and I was wondering if that was the case on other devices or is there some bug on the one I used. |
| 13:04.03 | lardman | I have one |
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| 13:04.05 | Khertan | achipa: there is a reason ... as qt is for the beginner ... gtk for the real programmer ... examples show the best pratices :) |
| 13:04.07 | lardman | what do you want done? |
| 13:04.19 | achipa | :D |
| 13:04.31 | mece1 | lardman: could you check the cpu usage of pulseuadio when playing music? |
| 13:05.16 | kalikianatoli | maexmo, put a real nameserver in there |
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| 13:05.26 | maexmo | i have real ns there |
| 13:05.33 | kalikianatoli | on localhost? |
| 13:05.56 | maexmo | on both i got external nameservers |
| 13:06.03 | mece1 | kalikianatoli: He got it to work already ;) |
| 13:06.14 | lardman | mece1: between them, mafw-dbus-* and pulseaudio use ~20-25% CPU |
| 13:06.20 | lardman | but I don;t know what the current speed is |
| 13:06.27 | mece1 | ok.. |
| 13:06.29 | maexmo | kalikianatoli: ah yea sorry the problem is gone already ;) |
| 13:06.47 | kalikianatoli | maexmo, ah, ignore me then :) |
| 13:07.28 | mece1 | lardman: Ok, thanks. It seems like a lot to me. Perhaps it isn't. version 42.11 ? |
| 13:07.34 | lardman | yeah |
| 13:07.46 | lardman | but I don;t know what cpufreq is set at |
| 13:07.49 | lardman | let me look |
| 13:07.55 | mece1 | oh righty. |
| 13:07.59 | mece1 | I didn't know it varied. |
| 13:08.32 | Disconnect | when running a qt mobile app on a desktop (in this case, osx cocoa qt4.6) how do you get into settings? messing with the mobile-demo weather app (for maemo) |
| 13:09.21 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: ping |
| 13:09.26 | lardman | hmm is at 600MHz anyway |
| 13:09.31 | mece1 | k. |
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| 13:11.23 | lardman | does seem quite high |
| 13:11.23 | serenity | hi |
| 13:11.28 | lardman | will try with mplayer |
| 13:11.37 | serenity | can i redirect telephoning to the fm transmitter? |
| 13:11.58 | lardman | probably with a little work |
| 13:12.11 | mece1 | lardman: does mplayer use pulse or gstreamer? |
| 13:12.33 | lardman | pulse directly I assume |
| 13:12.33 | mece1 | should be the same then I guess. |
| 13:12.47 | lardman | no, the media player uses gst |
| 13:12.51 | mece1 | o |
| 13:12.52 | mece1 | ok |
| 13:12.57 | serenity | i want to plug the mic onto my shirt und hear via car-stereo |
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| 13:13.57 | lardman | serenity: well I imagine it would be possible to achieve |
| 13:14.18 | serenity | but only a hack and no official way |
| 13:14.29 | lardman | yes |
| 13:14.35 | lardman | and I don't even know how to do the hack |
| 13:16.02 | serenity | anyone an idea on how to achive this? |
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| 13:17.03 | mece1 | lardman: how did mplayer do? I guess in general pluseaudio is considered pretty cpu heavy, so perhaps it's not that strange with +25% |
| 13:17.11 | lardman | well it would be interesting to look at how the phone app handles changing its output source - it can do BT, speakers and headphones for example |
| 13:17.22 | lardman | mece1: need to register on my network, getting there |
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| 13:17.49 | SpeedEvil | 25% is insane. |
| 13:17.53 | SpeedEvil | (for mp3) |
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| 13:18.12 | mece1 | SpeedEvil: I agree. But what is the reason? |
| 13:18.30 | SpeedEvil | In that with the right decoder - libmad? I forget - the OpenMoko GTA01 could do mp3 at 15% or so CPU |
| 13:18.47 | SpeedEvil | which was 15% of 200MHz |
| 13:19.18 | SpeedEvil | mece1: Please wait till I obtain my n900. |
| 13:19.29 | range | On speakers or also with headphones? Nokia seems to "tame" the speakers via an EQ done with pulseaudio (pupnik has more to rant about that ...) |
| 13:19.48 | lardman | well pulse takes half, mafw takes the other half |
| 13:19.49 | SpeedEvil | range: headphones. |
| 13:20.01 | mece1 | range: I tested it with speakers. I don't have the device here, so I can't try with headphones. |
| 13:20.50 | mece1 | range: I got avg 24% pulse and 14% that other thing with the widget and 20% + 12% with the media player. |
| 13:21.12 | mece1 | that other thing being mafw |
| 13:21.20 | range | I have no N900 (yet), so just relaying information (I thought there was a bug for that ...) |
| 13:22.45 | mece1 | Ive gotta go get the kids, I'll read the logs later. Thanks for the info. |
| 13:22.46 | lardman | hmm, mplayer download not looking too fast here |
| 13:22.57 | mece1 | ta |
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| 13:26.48 | lardman | fyi, mplayer manages about 30% + ~10% for pulse at the same time |
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| 13:28.45 | lardman | which is curious really |
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| 13:42.26 | linfl683 | Hi, if I have a textview and a textbuffer with gtk..can I make auto line break when the text comes out of the widget? |
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| 13:47.18 | jeremiah | linfl683: That seems like it should be trivially easy, unforuntately I don't know how to do that - there are some GTK hackers here though so . . . |
| 13:47.53 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: how much effort would there be in getting a signed repo on repository.maemo.org for community SSU? |
| 13:49.08 | Stskeeps | doesn't have to have builder and so on attached, just that you or someone would upload deb+source packages to it |
| 13:50.37 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: Should be trivially easy |
| 13:51.04 | jeremiah | All we need is a gpg key I believe |
| 13:51.07 | Stskeeps | something you could add on your TODO? |
| 13:51.09 | jeremiah | Maybe a cert. |
| 13:51.32 | jeremiah | Sure, I think so, I will certainly go put it on my sprint list any way. . . |
| 13:53.51 | wjt | linfl683: gtk_text_view_set_wrap_mode() ? |
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| 13:57.16 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: What does SSU stand for in this context? |
| 13:57.36 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: seamless software update :P |
| 13:57.51 | jeremiah | heh |
| 13:57.58 | jeremiah | seamless indeed. |
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| 14:00.00 | lcuk | SSU should be "Stskeeps Software Update" |
| 14:00.16 | lardman | ~ssu |
| 14:00.17 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 14:00.20 | lardman | come on infobot |
| 14:00.31 | jeremiah | SSU == Submit to Stskeeps' Universe |
| 14:00.50 | lardman | well, we will also have ssu's for the N900 I trust |
| 14:01.27 | linfl683 | wjt: Does it work? |
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| 14:04.21 | wjt | linfl683: it should do⦠|
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| 14:08.43 | linfl683 | wjt: Thank you, it works! |
| 14:10.25 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: pong |
| 14:11.24 | lardman | hmm, VSync ISR is not necessary, that's good |
| 14:11.55 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: nm - it was about package to add a repo and a package domain but i think i found a page that explains it (community SSU) |
| 14:12.01 | wjt | linfl683: hooray! |
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| 14:14.39 | RurouniJones_ | Warning to anyone who pre-ordered the N900 on the Nokia UK site. My sodding credit card was declined because it tripped an anti-fraud system because the money was goign overseas |
| 14:15.06 | RurouniJones_ | Others might like to contact their companies and tell them not to cancel the order since any discount codes you used will become null and void on the re-order |
| 14:15.27 | Stskeeps | RurouniJones_: yeah.. happened to some |
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| 14:15.45 | w00t_ | quite a lot, unfortunately |
| 14:15.55 | RurouniJones_ | You woulda thought the accounts used by a company like Nokia would be whitelisted fer gods sake |
| 14:16.03 | w00t_ | RurouniJones_: you are eligable to get 15% put back on, though |
| 14:16.39 | RurouniJones_ | going through the motions now, still a loss over the discounts I got earlier |
| 14:16.47 | RurouniJones_ | Thats life...still annoying though |
| 14:16.48 | w00t_ | better than nothing tho |
| 14:16.54 | RurouniJones_ | Stupid CC company |
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| 14:18.01 | mece | lardman: did you get mplayer installed? |
| 14:19.06 | lardman | yeah |
| 14:19.14 | lardman | ~30% for mplayer + ~10% for pulse |
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| 14:21.26 | SpeedEvil | what does wav do |
| 14:21.52 | lardman | dunno, don't have any handy I'm afraid |
| 14:22.13 | lardman | is the LCD on the omap2420 dev boards mounted in portrait direction? |
| 14:22.55 | wazd | oook, my phone is dead at last :) Time to buy new one :D |
| 14:23.57 | mece | SpeedEvil: Did openmoko use pulseaudio when you got 15%? |
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| 14:25.01 | lardman | what's the blizzard's native display format? Anyone remember? |
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| 14:25.15 | lardman | YV12? |
| 14:25.23 | lardman | or was it UYVY? |
| 14:25.38 | SpeedEvil | mece: no |
| 14:25.40 | lardman | well not native, but the quick one |
| 14:25.41 | SpeedEvil | mece: that was straight |
| 14:25.49 | lardman | lcuk: ping |
| 14:25.56 | lcuk | uyvy afiak |
| 14:25.58 | lcuk | hey |
| 14:26.06 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 14:26.28 | lcuk | cos xv has to convert from its planar format to the interleaved mess |
| 14:26.40 | lcuk | and its the reason why i chose xv over direct fb banging |
| 14:26.57 | lardman | hmm, ok I'll try defining UYVY and we'll see where we get to |
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| 14:28.12 | lardman | typical, never have the kernel source when I need it |
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| 14:33.13 | wazd | mmm, nokia 1200, shiny |
| 14:33.21 | jeremiah | eh? |
| 14:33.27 | jeremiah | Link plz |
| 14:35.00 | wazd | http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_1200-1976.php |
| 14:35.20 | |R | insane specs! |
| 14:35.25 | jeremiah | shiny indeed |
| 14:35.27 | |R | it's even thiner than the N900! :P |
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| 14:35.54 | tigert | Nokia 2110 will kick ass |
| 14:36.00 | tigert | oops I said too much |
| 14:36.13 | jeremiah | The comments on that page are teh awesum |
| 14:36.26 | jeremiah | "I need this product" |
| 14:36.31 | bilboed-pi | flashlight ? |
| 14:36.38 | toggles_w | can someone tell me about the 3x15% rebates in the UK? Still available? |
| 14:37.01 | jeremiah | my lectures in flash light in days of load shedind. |
| 14:37.13 | crashanddie | that phone owns |
| 14:37.18 | crashanddie | 390 hours standby time |
| 14:37.21 | crashanddie | over 10 days |
| 14:37.31 | crashanddie | say you use it mildly, you get 5 days uptime |
| 14:37.43 | crashanddie | that still kicks the shit out of the n900 |
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| 14:37.54 | tigert | those phones had the battery for just ... the phone :) |
| 14:37.56 | crashanddie | It's time the battery manufacturers beef up their game |
| 14:38.13 | tigert | crashanddie: N900 goes several days standby |
| 14:38.23 | crashanddie | everything's going up fast and we get better and more components chucked into our devices |
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| 14:38.40 | crashanddie | but batteries still suck |
| 14:38.49 | crashanddie | tigert: note the "mild usage" |
| 14:39.12 | crashanddie | tigert: when you have 3g and wifi switching regularly, you don't get "several days" |
| 14:39.24 | crashanddie | tigert: my best at the moment is two days |
| 14:39.27 | tigert | i had mine be on just 3g network (phone only) in my pocket for 24 hours, almost full battery |
| 14:39.32 | tigert | define mild ;) |
| 14:39.37 | tigert | yea, i know |
| 14:39.39 | setanta | lardman, I asked here and currently no one is maintaining the battlegwelled package |
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| 14:39.46 | setanta | (and sorry for the delay ><) |
| 14:39.47 | bleader | crashanddie: imagine that this is the best you can do in standby with a lot of samsung phones :p |
| 14:39.52 | bleader | (2 days) |
| 14:40.09 | tigert | this was no ip networking, just "a phone" usecase |
| 14:40.10 | lardman | setanta: np, thanks, I'll eventually get round to updating the package then unless someone (like qwerty12_N900) fancies doing it ;) |
| 14:40.18 | crashanddie | bleader: I had a d500 or something like that, could get 3 or 4 days out of it no problem |
| 14:40.27 | RurouniJones_ | toggles_w: No |
| 14:40.32 | bleader | my f700 is one day with some usage, 2 days idle |
| 14:40.32 | crashanddie | bleader: but again, that was an older devices, few years back now |
| 14:40.44 | toggles_w | RurouniJones_: thanks |
| 14:41.21 | bleader | I've read somewhere that it's possible to get the n97 battery in n900 |
| 14:41.32 | tigert | crashanddie: those had lots less of cpu intensive crap |
| 14:41.43 | crashanddie | tigert: I realise that |
| 14:41.43 | tigert | think of the N810 |
| 14:41.50 | tigert | it goes a week standby |
| 14:41.58 | tigert | but yea |
| 14:42.02 | crashanddie | tigert: but still, I'm not oblivious to the fact the devices require a lot more power |
| 14:42.04 | tigert | i see your point too |
| 14:42.15 | crashanddie | and that being said, the N900 has a smaller battery than the n810 |
| 14:42.32 | tigert | yep |
| 14:42.53 | tigert | would trade a thicker device for beefier battery |
| 14:42.54 | maexmo | it can be smaller if it uses newer battery technology |
| 14:43.10 | crashanddie | maexmo: not "size" wise |
| 14:43.21 | crashanddie | maexmo: n810 battery was 1500mAh or something, N900 is 1200 |
| 14:43.45 | lcuk | tigert, :D backpack mounted battery, uptime measured in months? :D |
| 14:43.58 | tigert | yeah |
| 14:44.23 | tigert | or duct taped second battery :) |
| 14:44.37 | bleader | http://www.nokiausers.net/Reviews/Mugen-Power-Premium-Quality-Batteries.html haven't read everything :) |
| 14:44.44 | bleader | but may be interesting |
| 14:44.48 | tigert | maybe one could mold a nice bumpy custom cover to the back |
| 14:44.51 | lcuk | if you are doing that, combine it with keesj's push N button and get extra keys out of it |
| 14:44.57 | tigert | that housed a second battery |
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| 14:45.12 | crashanddie | just use a truck or car battery |
| 14:45.32 | lcuk | crashanddie, thats the backpack option |
| 14:45.35 | crashanddie | not extremely portable, but 12V at 90amps will keep you going for sometime |
| 14:46.46 | maexmo | hahah .. you could sell a backpack with included 12v loading station for heavy n900 users.. its a niche? :D |
| 14:47.27 | crown | hi @all i just tryed to update the sdk with the .py install wizard from the nokia homepage. the installation crashed with the following error http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host/dist/unbuntu-intreped/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz Error 404 not found |
| 14:47.54 | crown | the link comes out from the nokia page script |
| 14:48.21 | crashanddie | crown: intrepid instead of intreped? |
| 14:48.40 | tekojo | crown was that from the Forum Nokia page? |
| 14:48.58 | crown | sry my fault i cant copy the link couse vmware tools wont work right so its intrepid in the link |
| 14:49.08 | crown | yes teh nokia page |
| 14:49.51 | crashanddie | crown: seems like you have an outdated script mate |
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| 14:49.54 | crown | i tryed booth possible install scripts the wizard and the .sh |
| 14:50.20 | crown | where could i get a proper new one i was take it from noka page directly |
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| 14:51.34 | crashanddie | crown: you want the scratchbox installer? |
| 14:51.53 | crashanddie | or SDK? |
| 14:51.54 | crown | sure this script is from the nokia page too right? |
| 14:51.58 | _marcell_ | crown: there is a gui install script here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/ but it might be the same as the one from FN |
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| 14:53.02 | crown | marcell: i guess the scripts from the guide linking to the nokia page too yes |
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| 14:53.35 | tigert | hm |
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| 14:53.45 | tigert | interesting that mugen battery thing |
| 14:53.59 | crashanddie | crown: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 14:54.07 | tigert | if it really has as much juice as advertised |
| 14:54.17 | _marcell_ | crown: hmm, I will make sure that this gets fixed fist thing in the morning tomorrow. Most of the people already left the office now. |
| 14:54.35 | crashanddie | _marcell_: it's 4PM and people have already left? |
| 14:54.43 | Stskeeps | ponders idly if the UK thread on t.m.o is going to explode over the mic issues |
| 14:54.51 | crown | _marcell_: thank you thats nice |
| 14:54.53 | ccooke | mic issues? |
| 14:54.57 | ccooke | goes to check |
| 14:55.13 | javispedro | yesterdays dealbreaker was the browser smoothness |
| 14:55.20 | javispedro | what's today's dealbreaker going to be? |
| 14:55.24 | crown | i just love to have a look at the n900 interface before i finally can buy it *smile* |
| 14:55.35 | Stskeeps | javispedro: mic issues on first batch gone to UK it seems |
| 14:55.46 | Stskeeps | ie, not working |
| 14:55.46 | javispedro | oh |
| 14:55.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:55.55 | javispedro | well that would be a real dealbreaker actually :P |
| 14:56.02 | tigert | heh |
| 14:56.16 | tigert | " i love my new phone, i just cannot speak" |
| 14:56.22 | Stskeeps | i could probably get by with the headset |
| 14:56.40 | crashanddie | That's a pretty big fail on Nokia's part |
| 14:56.52 | qwerty12_N900 | Indeed |
| 14:57.22 | mece | speaking is overrated ;) |
| 14:57.23 | ccooke | it's a bit of a problem for a phone. I hope they can do a quick job of replacing the devices |
| 14:57.24 | adeus | and/or by the subcontractor who is putting them together |
| 14:57.48 | crashanddie | no sc involved |
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| 15:00.43 | |R | What is the difference between the Global firmware and the USA firmware ? |
| 15:01.18 | serenity | wlan sending power and fw frequency? |
| 15:01.21 | lardman | one lacks "u" and has too many zeds |
| 15:02.14 | ccooke | notes that the pipe character is a bad one for use in nicks on a channel frequented by people with n900s :-) |
| 15:02.23 | ccooke | or n810s for that matter |
| 15:02.55 | RST38h | tigert: BTW, any hope of a Fremantle icon theme that looks less like S60? =) |
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| 15:03.07 | |R | ccooke: oh well ;) |
| 15:03.23 | |R | serenity: so while travelling you can flash to the frequencies of your choice? :P |
| 15:03.34 | |R | serenity: "Global" sounds weird then... where is it :) |
| 15:03.57 | serenity | us-Version includes a backdoor for nsa ;) |
| 15:04.10 | ccooke | |R: and with it as the first character of your nick, it wouldn't even be possible to use tab completion. :-) |
| 15:04.38 | |R | ccooke: at least you read it right, most people think it's IR :P |
| 15:05.09 | |R | It's either the Real symbol or Pipe-r ... your choice ;) |
| 15:05.37 | tigert | RST38h: tango set might be a good starting point |
| 15:05.55 | |R | is getting realllly impatient with the MobileCityOnline dates being pushed back every week... |
| 15:06.11 | tigert | maybe one could use icon-naming utils to do a wrapper so one can use any gtk icon themes? |
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| 15:06.35 | tigert | dinnertime & |
| 15:06.55 | ccooke | |R: It might be taken to mean 'real or nothing', also... |
| 15:06.55 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Maybe you can prod wazd to work on Marina, instead (it's already looking better than the shipped themes in some respects) although I wouldn't blame him if he said no... |
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| 15:07.23 | |R | ccooke: haha how so? :) |
| 15:08.20 | ccooke | |R: Well, | is an OR symbol in many things. In pattern matching, "|<something>" means <the empty pattern> or <something> |
| 15:08.39 | |R | yes ok, but because of the space before the nick in most IRC client you mean? :) |
| 15:08.52 | |R | (well most text ones at least ;) |
| 15:08.56 | ccooke | :-) |
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| 15:10.09 | wazd | 2330 classic, hmmm |
| 15:10.50 | |R | ccooke: So i suppose you're not typing on the N900? or that your xterm is properly configured? :P |
| 15:10.58 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Treat yourself: Go for the 3310; its model number > 2330 |
| 15:11.15 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: oh, that's a good idea :D |
| 15:11.22 | zash | 3310 ftw! |
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| 15:11.33 | ccooke | Right now, I'm at work. Not on an n900. But you can *get* the pipe symbol on any of the devices: It's just harder |
| 15:11.35 | qwerty12_N900 | DCT4 == awesomeness |
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| 15:12.13 | |R | ccooke: yeah, i know with my n810, gotta to unroll that symbol menu... though on the n900 (when/if i get it) i'll add a proper key i think :) |
| 15:12.33 | |R | I so wish that with the added space they would have installed a fuller system and scraped busybox though... |
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| 15:12.47 | |R | (at least core utils !:) |
| 15:12.58 | wazd | 5000, ooooh |
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| 15:15.21 | cosmo | hmm.. upgraded my fremantle firmware and maybe half of packages said "installation file corrupt" when restoring backup |
| 15:17.42 | crashanddie | |R: the root partition is only 256megs |
| 15:18.47 | wazd | phillips xenium x500... |
| 15:19.18 | wazd | 1140 h of standby |
| 15:19.21 | |R | crashanddie: yeah so i heard, another weird idea |
| 15:19.22 | wazd | dude... |
| 15:21.18 | wazd | seriously, 1140 hours... |
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| 15:24.38 | cosmo | extras-dev repo fails with "no hash entry in release file" |
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| 15:27.22 | Stskeeps | III, escaping from the people in the house? :P |
| 15:28.18 | III | going crazy |
| 15:28.26 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:28.41 | III | any luck on a patch? |
| 15:28.41 | Stskeeps | i bet you can't go more crazy than the people on talk.maemo.org over N900 deliveries :) |
| 15:28.50 | Stskeeps | no, been thesis'ing mostly oday |
| 15:28.51 | Stskeeps | t |
| 15:29.00 | III | np |
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| 15:33.54 | kalikianatoli | I wonder how Quick Clip is supposed to work |
| 15:34.01 | kalikianatoli | It does nothing and shows up nowhere |
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| 15:45.50 | |R | http://noknok.tv/2009/11/25/exclusive-nokia-n900-delayed-until-4th-december/ |
| 15:45.59 | |R | delayed n900 news of the day :P |
| 15:46.03 | wazd | 5130 XM... |
| 15:46.42 | RST38h | has seen n900 sold at the store yesterday, discounted ;) |
| 15:46.42 | RST38h | cackles |
| 15:47.13 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 15:47.27 | RST38h | (sales probably paid for the meetup, too =)) |
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| 15:48.16 | Arkenoi | rst38h: russian price is ridiculous |
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| 15:48.49 | tbf | Arkenoi: no, its just russian wages which are ridiculous |
| 15:49.16 | Arkenoi | tbf: 2x us price is nonsense |
| 15:49.49 | tbf | Arkenoi: guess russian price is based on EUR price |
| 15:49.59 | wazd | Arkenoi: 600 euros |
| 15:50.09 | wazd | Arkenoi: sounds fine for me |
| 15:50.17 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Absolutely |
| 15:50.26 | tbf | Arkenoi: there are crazy dependencies which cause dollar prices |
| 15:50.29 | RST38h | Arkenoi: But I do not think it is going to be the .RU price for long |
| 15:50.41 | RST38h | Arkenoi: No way it will cost $980 for long |
| 15:50.52 | Arkenoi | if i buy one i'd better buy in the US |
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| 15:51.53 | RST38h | Arkenoi: And get those missing two arrow keys? =) |
| 15:51.56 | wazd | Recommended price for iPhone 3Gs 32Gb in Russia - 1400 USD |
| 15:52.09 | jpjokela | RST38h: Something wrong with C64? :) |
| 15:52.19 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, right. And still no 3G ;) |
| 15:52.22 | Arkenoi | rst38h: btw did i tell you n900 rejected my 10 years old 5v sim card? lucky me i had a copy of imsi/Ki on a newer chip |
| 15:52.30 | RST38h | jpjokela: ? |
| 15:52.33 | wazd | RST38h: we have 3G underground :D |
| 15:52.45 | RST38h | wazd: Not me, have not seen it |
| 15:52.53 | wazd | RST38h: hmmm |
| 15:52.55 | jpjokela | RST38h: Probably the most known "2 cursor keys" device ever built |
| 15:53.09 | wazd | RST38h: that dude from nokia told that he already used it |
| 15:53.40 | wazd | cmon guys, throw me some advice on the new phone |
| 15:54.12 | Stskeeps | wazd: SE K610i wasn't bad for tethering |
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| 15:54.56 | jpjokela | wazd, You can get one for cheaper: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/10/you_almost_had_me_fake_russian_iphone-2/ :D |
| 15:55.16 | Stskeeps | felbutss: any luck with batteries? |
| 15:55.30 | wazd | Stskeeps: not sure if I can buy this one now :) |
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| 15:56.06 | felbutss | :(. still no luck. with my bricked n900. im pritty sure it has been charging with my car charger. |
| 15:56.06 | felbutss | i have just realised something. when i plug it in. the pc sees the device but then it says there was an error installing drivers. it mentioned flash osx or something. does anyone have the drivers that are built into the phone so i can install them for it????? i dont think the battery is flat anymore. |
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| 15:56.34 | wazd | Stskeeps: it's like 3 yo now :) |
| 15:56.38 | Stskeeps | felbutss: nokia pc suite |
| 15:56.46 | Stskeeps | wazd: yes, :P |
| 15:57.21 | felbutss | hhmmmmmmm thats wht it said on my friends computer. my pc already has PC suite |
| 15:57.25 | felbutss | dam |
| 15:57.26 | cosmo | felbutss: at least my n900 didn't charge with car adapter + the usb power adapter for some reason |
| 15:57.43 | cosmo | probably the usb power adapter is faulty |
| 15:58.03 | tbf | cosmo: the n900 needs 1200 mA for charging |
| 15:58.15 | tbf | cosmo: most chargers provide only the half, if not less |
| 15:58.34 | cosmo | 1.2A? thats' a lot |
| 15:58.45 | felbutss | because i was not able to turn it on at all. now i can switch it on for a good 20 seconds on the nokia screen then it restarts again |
| 15:59.02 | Stskeeps | felbutss: ok, at this point i would try the linux flashing |
| 15:59.04 | cosmo | the same charger worked with n810, so i guess it needed less |
| 15:59.19 | Stskeeps | felbutss: if it stays on for 20 seconds it definately is charged |
| 15:59.32 | wazd | Nokia 5130 looks like a fine choice |
| 15:59.54 | felbutss | ok. im going to turn my pc off and boot up linux from my flash drive. do u think it will matter that im booting it off a flash drive???? |
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| 16:00.11 | cosmo | felbutss: no |
| 16:00.32 | wazd | RST38h: looks like I'll be back to N-store at Tverskaya tomorrow :D |
| 16:00.47 | Stskeeps | felbutss: it's OK to just use one "?" :) |
| 16:01.14 | RST38h | wazd: Got extra $1000? =) |
| 16:01.33 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: ¿? |
| 16:01.45 | Arkenoi | rst38h: btw where do i get metromap application? |
| 16:01.50 | wazd | RST38h: nah, my phone is dead, have to buy new one |
| 16:02.05 | wazd | RST38h: and ironicaly the cheapest 5130 is there :D |
| 16:02.11 | RST38h | Arkenoi: metro2.ru? =) |
| 16:02.16 | RST38h | wazd: Ah =) |
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| 16:03.08 | wazd | Phillips is one big chineese trickery now |
| 16:03.14 | paroneayea | hm :( |
| 16:03.22 | Arkenoi | rst38h: "rodtwennye sajty - matrasy, porno filxmy".. |
| 16:03.29 | paroneayea | when making an sip call you can't enter dial tones |
| 16:03.29 | felbutss | brbb linux time |
| 16:03.42 | paroneayea | which I need to access my company's conference call |
| 16:07.13 | kalikianatoli | takes a sip of tea without even touching his N900. |
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| 16:10.19 | AakashPatel | Lol the n900 is instock guise |
| 16:11.46 | SpeedEvil | AakashPatel: there are eleven hundred different outlets offering n900. |
| 16:11.49 | SpeedEvil | Instock where? |
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| 16:14.47 | wazd | the only confusing feature is 6h of talk time |
| 16:14.47 | AakashPatel | SpeedEvil, on nokia site |
| 16:14.51 | wazd | that's kinda lame |
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| 16:15.33 | AakashPatel | is gonna place is preorder on amazon tonight |
| 16:15.57 | lardman | pH5: what use case were you thinking of btw? |
| 16:16.04 | AakashPatel | http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367 |
| 16:16.11 | AakashPatel | For those of you who couldnt find it like me lol |
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| 16:17.47 | pH5 | lardman: remember that cinaest app? i'd like to integrate scanning my dvd collection and looking up movies at the video store with mbarcode. |
| 16:18.00 | lardman | ah ok |
| 16:18.12 | lardman | I started work on it to scan my books |
| 16:18.15 | Stskeeps | morning qole |
| 16:18.32 | lardman | and be able to scan in the shop and see if I had one and if not to look at reviews, save it in a wishlist, etc |
| 16:18.58 | qole | Stskeeps, good morning... or afternoon for you? |
| 16:19.09 | Stskeeps | qole: afternoon |
| 16:19.16 | crashanddie | qole: morning! |
| 16:19.22 | pH5 | hm. that's basically the same that i'm trying to do for movies. |
| 16:19.27 | crashanddie | qole: how are you buddy? |
| 16:19.57 | lardman | pH5: I've been wondering if I should move my db stuff to a helper app |
| 16:20.10 | lardman | pH5: i.e. not in mbarcode itself |
| 16:20.11 | qole | crashanddie, hey! |
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| 16:20.42 | tarelerulz | Have any of you played song ogg and movies mkv on Maemo ? |
| 16:20.46 | lardman | morning qole |
| 16:20.47 | Stskeeps | afternoon Venomrush |
| 16:20.59 | Venomrush | Hey |
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| 16:21.10 | Venomrush | There seems to be a problem with the mic |
| 16:21.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, we do read t.m.o |
| 16:21.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:21.25 | Venomrush | :) |
| 16:21.31 | range | Really? I only write there. |
| 16:21.36 | qole | it is only in XChat that I realize I haven't remapped the keyboard... |
| 16:21.52 | pupnik | mhm |
| 16:22.07 | Venomrush | Not alot of people know about the #maemo IRC |
| 16:22.15 | Venomrush | hence the spamming of posts on TMO |
| 16:22.26 | tarelerulz | I found out about today myself |
| 16:22.27 | julianoliver | hi, i'm still having problems grabbing the maemo SDK from the repositories, this time from a different (and much faster) connection. the error is simply "Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk Release.gpg" |
| 16:22.31 | qwerty12_N900 | Rather Talk than here |
| 16:22.35 | Stskeeps | julianoliver: 401? |
| 16:22.40 | qole | I haven't gone for my morning dose of crazy yet... |
| 16:22.43 | julianoliver | yet i can ping it just fine.. |
| 16:22.52 | julianoliver | Stskeeps: not this time. that's on my home connection. |
| 16:23.13 | julianoliver | "Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" |
| 16:23.26 | qole | what's the mic problem thread? |
| 16:23.28 | julianoliver | yet i can ping repository.maemo.org with a 32ms reply. |
| 16:23.34 | Stskeeps | julianoliver: ah, that might be due to /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf being difficult |
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| 16:23.53 | Stskeeps | qole: some people in UK has broken mics |
| 16:23.58 | julianoliver | Stskeeps: ok. what's the best course of action, do it from an sbox login? |
| 16:24.06 | Stskeeps | julianoliver: yeah |
| 16:24.11 | julianoliver | tries this |
| 16:24.17 | Stskeeps | julianoliver: there's a FAQ on it on the wiki somehwere |
| 16:24.42 | pH5 | lardman: sounds like a good idea. |
| 16:24.51 | pH5 | especially since I'm going to profit from that interface ;) |
| 16:24.55 | qole | wow 54 posts already |
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| 16:25.08 | lardman | :) |
| 16:25.25 | lardman | well you couls still use it if it were part of the main app |
| 16:25.30 | lardman | just that the main app would be a bit heavier |
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| 16:25.42 | pH5 | I'm wondering if we could (should?) abstract books and dvds (or audio CDs) into a common database backend, a generic "physical media" catalog? |
| 16:25.45 | felbutss | hey im having trouble launching linux |
| 16:25.49 | felbutss | ill do it at work tmw |
| 16:25.58 | Stskeeps | felbutss: alright, good luck then |
| 16:26.03 | felbutss | stskeeps: do u know any other commands i can try |
| 16:26.20 | felbutss | for force a detection? |
| 16:26.39 | Stskeeps | felbutss: the good news is that it's definately not completely hosed if windows registers a USB device :P |
| 16:26.45 | qole | first guy with no mic was from Virginia... |
| 16:26.56 | felbutss | thank god |
| 16:27.03 | Stskeeps | qole: hmm? that's not good |
| 16:27.06 | range | Then it was NukNuk spamming all threads with the info that he had no mic. |
| 16:27.06 | lardman | pH5: yes, sounds like it would be a good idea |
| 16:27.29 | lardman | pH5: but then there are other apps which do things such as shopping lists and inventorying |
| 16:27.38 | julianoliver | Stskeeps: i'm trying to run $ ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh |
| 16:27.45 | qole | oh man, nuknuk was one of them... |
| 16:27.55 | julianoliver | Stskeeps: i'm trying to run $ ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh, which i believe cannot be run from inside the scratchbox environment. |
| 16:27.58 | pH5 | lardman: I'm interested in storing the same optional metadata about movies and books (mostly location, person and date - where do I store it or who is it lent to, and since when) |
| 16:27.59 | lardman | so whether they could all use the same integrated backend, or just spit the messages out over dbus and be done with it |
| 16:28.00 | felbutss | what about this???? -c, --cold-flash "Cold flash" the device |
| 16:28.06 | julianoliver | Stskeeps: is there another means of installing the SDK? |
| 16:28.09 | felbutss | or that? |
| 16:28.10 | felbutss | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.12 | lardman | pH5: yep, same here |
| 16:28.26 | Stskeeps | felbutss: i think cold flash is serial only |
| 16:28.30 | lardman | pH5: just a case of deciding if it should be inside or outside mbarcode |
| 16:28.52 | felbutss | oooo. do u have the command u gave me yesterday 2 try?????? to force flashing mode |
| 16:29.11 | Stskeeps | felbutss: i guess you can try flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R for fun |
| 16:29.11 | lardman | we could have a free-form per-table database |
| 16:29.20 | lardman | which would allow a user to chose their fields, etc. |
| 16:29.20 | pH5 | lardman: since there are usecases of mbarcode without any database functionality (like decoding a 2d code just to open a link), I'd say outside. |
| 16:29.42 | pH5 | but it's only important if it really slows things down |
| 16:30.09 | lardman | it shouldn't slow it down (is all in there atm but hidden) |
| 16:30.34 | lardman | the other option is to allow plugins, which can then do what they want with the data |
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| 16:30.57 | qole | Venomrush, is your mic one of the dead ones? |
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| 16:31.26 | lardman | the problem I see with having the app external is that it would then be better to remove all of the lookup code from mbarcode, and just have it decode, but in that case the user won't get quick feedback about what they've scanned |
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| 16:32.16 | derf | lardman: I like the plugins idea. |
| 16:33.26 | lardman | my thought was to give each plugin a window/notebook tab in which they can do what they want, and have them register a callback which is passed a piece of barcode data |
| 16:33.34 | derf | Primarily for two reasons: 1) the user can install the ones they want and 2) they can activate the ones they want at any given time. |
| 16:33.45 | lardman | yeah |
| 16:34.12 | lardman | if that's the best approach, the next question is the plugin framework |
| 16:34.14 | crashanddie | they require a good architecture though |
| 16:34.16 | lardman | any thoughts? |
| 16:34.26 | lardman | emerillon uses libethos for example |
| 16:34.26 | derf | That's the hard part, of course. |
| 16:34.33 | crashanddie | lardman: easy |
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| 16:34.50 | crashanddie | lardman: MyPlugin extends Plugin implements ViewableWindow |
| 16:34.54 | lardman | crashanddie: well they won't really have any co-dependencies other than a window to draw in and a callback to accept a string |
| 16:35.15 | lardman | what are these odd extends and implements words of which you speak? |
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| 16:36.12 | lardman | this is C afterall ;) |
| 16:37.07 | felbutss | i cant turn the device on anymore :S maybe the battery really is dead |
| 16:37.31 | felbutss | ill try more things tmrw. off to bed |
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| 16:38.44 | lardman | libethos is quite nice in that you can write plugins in different languages |
| 16:38.50 | lardman | e.g. C, momo, python |
| 16:38.52 | lardman | mono even |
| 16:39.05 | lardman | might open it up to more people developing plugins for it |
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| 16:40.34 | qole | Stskeeps, ha, "Yeah, many of us hang out on #maemo on irc.freenode.net. Keep the tone sober and non-trollish though." |
| 16:40.51 | Stskeeps | qole: i did realize that may attract trolls instead. |
| 16:41.19 | qole | heh, sober tone... heh heh heh |
| 16:42.33 | qole | I want a moment of silence for all of our comrades who received N900s with dead mics. |
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| 16:43.03 | Robot101 | qole: surely they've got the silence all under control? |
| 16:43.07 | Robot101 | :O |
| 16:43.50 | slonopotamus | uh oh, new ringtone for n900. meh. |
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| 16:44.18 | slonopotamus | hehe. n900 sales started here. $1k. |
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| 16:45.16 | qole | I personally would be torn; send it in for repairs, maybe see it before Christmas, maybe after, or... |
| 16:45.23 | w00t_ | sales are underway here, it's just a matter of trying to *get* one |
| 16:45.37 | w00t_ | has spent pretty much 1/2 of the day on the phone trying to make that happen. |
| 16:45.53 | qole | ...use the headset for phone calls and wait till the new year to send it in... |
| 16:47.04 | slonopotamus | w00t_, you won't lose anything if wait for a month, when all hysteria (not sure about spelling) calms down :) |
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| 16:47.31 | mikec | anyone with a n900 tell me what the driver for the mic (audio ) is. dmesg should show a problem |
| 16:47.43 | w00t_ | slonopotamus: I can't wait that long, travelling |
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| 16:47.52 | w00t_ | (spelling is right :)) |
| 16:47.54 | VDVsx | ah, another nice finding, nokia completely removed the support for generic kb from maemo5 :( if you want to use a BT kb without issues you've to buy a expensive nokia su-8 |
| 16:47.54 | julianoliver | slonopotamus: wow.. expensive. glad i didn't have to pay for mine.. |
| 16:48.01 | Stskeeps | mikec: you ran into mic issue too? |
| 16:48.05 | qole | interesting, xchat on N900 triggers a pegged CPU... |
| 16:48.13 | timeless_mbp | feri++ |
| 16:48.35 | mikec | nope, but want to help trouble shoot hardware or software issue |
| 16:48.49 | qole | ...turns out a process called maemo-xinput-sounds is the culprit... |
| 16:49.05 | slonopotamus | VDVsx, hehe. you what, thought it'll be backward-compatible? |
| 16:49.14 | mikec | i dont have a n900, but have experience with no audio issues under linux a lot LOL |
| 16:49.39 | mikec | ah is it software then? |
| 16:50.19 | qole | Stskeeps, What do you mean "without issues" |
| 16:50.40 | qole | sorry |
| 16:50.51 | VDVsx | slonopotamus, the mapping for the nokia one is there, the other kb are seeing as the hw kb on the n900, so no numbers and special chars |
| 16:51.07 | qole | VDVsx, what do you mean "without issues"? |
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| 16:51.36 | qole | oh, didn't try my bt kb much |
| 16:51.53 | VDVsx | qole, numbers and special chars don't work for me and seems that I'm not the only one |
| 16:52.16 | VDVsx | I can type small letters and commas and dots :p |
| 16:52.21 | mgedmin | which is kinda dumb, since X supports different keymaps for different hardware keyboard devices |
| 16:52.33 | lardman | am heading home |
| 16:52.42 | lardman | should be back online in a bit |
| 16:52.42 | lardman | bye |
| 16:52.45 | qole | keyboard mapping has been my biggest problem on the N900 so far... |
| 16:52.48 | VDVsx | mgedmin, yes, can understand that decision |
| 16:52.53 | mgedmin | ought to pull his apple bt kbd from the table, blow the dust off, and experiment |
| 16:52.55 | VDVsx | *can't |
| 16:53.09 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Is your Bluetooth keyboard listed in "hildon-im-xkbtool --list"? |
| 16:53.16 | mgedmin | VDVsx, simple: do we do extra work here, or do we work on something we consider more important |
| 16:54.18 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, let me check |
| 16:54.19 | Stskeeps | mikec: i -think- audio is built-in in the kernel |
| 16:55.03 | VDVsx | mgedmin, it works under maemo4 dunno why they can't leave the things there |
| 16:55.16 | mgedmin | now that is a good question |
| 16:55.20 | mgedmin | and I'd love to hear the internal story |
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| 16:56.29 | slonopotamus | VDVsx, that's too simple :) |
| 16:56.57 | kalikianatoli | Hm... no Japanese IM for Fremantle yet, is there? |
| 16:57.29 | microlith | kalikianatoli: not yet |
| 16:57.49 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, yes |
| 16:58.05 | kalikianatoli | I guess it's amazing enough what we have before the device even ships :-) |
| 16:58.13 | slonopotamus | neither as Japanese browser, yep. |
| 16:58.21 | wazd | chaps. is there any software for fan speed control? |
| 16:58.31 | wazd | for win |
| 16:58.34 | slonopotamus | assuming im = instant messenger :) |
| 16:58.50 | crashanddie | wazd: the n900 doesn't have fans |
| 16:58.51 | microlith | slonopotamus: the device should support JP in the browser no problem |
| 16:58.52 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Does "hildon-im-xkbtool -g" say it's using the su-8w layout? |
| 16:58.56 | Robot101 | slonopotamus: input method |
| 16:59.00 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd: SpeedFan |
| 16:59.07 | kalikianatoli | slonopotamus, I have a Japanese browser, I just need to upload the package :P |
| 16:59.08 | lcuk | wazd, mmm fan speed of which device |
| 16:59.16 | kalikianatoli | just the input is missing |
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| 16:59.23 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, yes |
| 16:59.26 | VDVsx | lol |
| 16:59.56 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: See if using hildon-im-xkbtool lets you set it to the gb layout :) |
| 16:59.57 | mikec | Stskeeps: i'm sure audio is, but on boot it will want to load the driver, and if it hits a prob dmesg should show problem, |
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| 17:00.55 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: it shows some activity but I can't change anything |
| 17:01.04 | wazd | lcuk: PC obviously :D |
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| 17:01.59 | mikec | ok just found dmesg output from a good unit on T.M.O |
| 17:02.01 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Ah, it was the same for my old PC but with this PC I get nice spinbuttons on its main screen which work to adjust the speed |
| 17:02.07 | slonopotamus | wazd, speedfan? |
| 17:02.27 | wazd | slonopotamus: speedfan 4.39 |
| 17:02.27 | slonopotamus | wazd, i used it ~5 years ago, though. |
| 17:02.43 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, well,I probably can hack it and add the generic-105 layout, this is a very simple and unharmful thing, dunno why they need to remove a layout, lolo |
| 17:02.46 | wazd | slonopotamus: I've set bot fans to 50% but nothing helps |
| 17:04.40 | slonopotamus | wazd, i guess you're need to sacrifice a couple of virgins in the name of glorious Windows then. that possibly will help. |
| 17:04.48 | slonopotamus | s/'re// |
| 17:05.26 | Klowner | wtf are morons posting about getting their N900's from Dell on the Amazon discussion boards |
| 17:05.29 | Klowner | shakes fist |
| 17:05.38 | wazd | slonopotamus: no, I'll try Gigabyte utility first :P |
| 17:06.01 | slonopotamus | wazd, that's less fun :) |
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| 17:06.29 | slonopotamus | wazd, should desktop automagically control fans based on temp? |
| 17:06.50 | slonopotamus | wazd, maybe you're missing some mysterious driver? |
| 17:06.55 | Pavlov | none of the ones i ordered from dell have shipped :( |
| 17:07.00 | wazd | slonopotamus: maybe |
| 17:07.03 | slonopotamus | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 17:07.21 | wazd | slonopotamus: but my CPU is at 41 and GPU is at 43 |
| 17:07.26 | wazd | that's kinda too cold :) |
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| 17:08.50 | Flandry | s/n on t.m.o is asymptotically approaching 0 |
| 17:09.45 | crashanddie | lardman|gone, or anyone else, do you know of any very fast lightweight HTTP library that would allow me to provide basic HTTP services? |
| 17:09.54 | crashanddie | (such as receive GET/POST requests) |
| 17:10.17 | slonopotamus | server-side? |
| 17:10.23 | Flandry | python has a few |
| 17:10.30 | Flandry | do you mean c |
| 17:10.54 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: libcurl |
| 17:10.59 | slonopotamus | if client-side, then curl. |
| 17:11.10 | crashanddie | server side |
| 17:11.30 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, debianer :P |
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| 17:12.18 | crashanddie | anyone ever worked with Mongoose? (http://code.google.com/p/mongoose/) |
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| 17:18.50 | qole | weird, I'm just getting to work, making my first coffee, settling in... and others are going home for the day... |
| 17:19.12 | qole | test something |
| 17:19.40 | Markus23 | Does synchronization with kde pim works using n900 with maemo5? |
| 17:20.08 | qole | ok bye all |
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| 17:22.21 | pupnik | wb konttori |
| 17:22.28 | Khertan | hi ! |
| 17:22.45 | pupnik | the new uqm port is nicely done btw |
| 17:22.47 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-3/ <-- require testing |
| 17:22.50 | Klowner | garrr, can't get the token-number for the Nokia binaries because the site is exploding |
| 17:22.50 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:22.58 | pupnik | nice Khertan |
| 17:23.18 | Markus23 | So nobody is syncing n900 with kde pim? |
| 17:24.03 | Khertan | pupnik there is still some optimization todo on the syntax parser ... but works fine ... |
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| 17:24.18 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 17:24.18 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:24.19 | brbrbr | warmly greets everyone |
| 17:25.26 | Klowner | anyone know if the Fremantle token number is unique for each person? |
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| 17:26.14 | Stskeeps | Klowner: yes, don't share it |
| 17:26.23 | Klowner | ok |
| 17:26.31 | Markus23 | has someone tried to sync n900 using multisync? |
| 17:26.34 | Khertan | hum 10 minutes that mastory is publishing a post ... my connection is really slow |
| 17:26.42 | Klowner | waits for the site to function :/ |
| 17:27.02 | microlith | welp |
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| 17:27.05 | microlith | to hell with nokia usa |
| 17:27.09 | lardman | re |
| 17:27.13 | microlith | four month preorder up in smoke |
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| 17:27.31 | microlith | they can shove their horribly broken ordering system up their ass |
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| 17:27.52 | microlith | and if anyone here can forward that message to someone that works there |
| 17:27.53 | microlith | pelase do |
| 17:27.54 | Khertan | hum ... it s not so bad |
| 17:27.54 | microlith | please* |
| 17:28.00 | microlith | it is bad |
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| 17:28.10 | Khertan | there is worse than the nokia one |
| 17:28.16 | microlith | they're the only place that I have been unable to actually submit my order using my debit card |
| 17:28.18 | crashanddie | microlith: language, and calm down please too |
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| 17:28.44 | crashanddie | microlith: there's also something known as pre-paid credit cards |
| 17:28.52 | microlith | I have a credit card as well |
| 17:28.56 | microlith | they rejected that instantly too |
| 17:29.00 | Markus23 | Ok, then another question: Has someone experience with openstreetmap cards on n900? |
| 17:29.05 | wazd | Wowshit! |
| 17:29.07 | crashanddie | microlith: website? |
| 17:29.12 | microlith | ? |
| 17:29.17 | wazd | I've killed bios! |
| 17:29.25 | crashanddie | microlith: what's the website? |
| 17:29.27 | microlith | for what? |
| 17:29.36 | crashanddie | "Nokia USA"? |
| 17:29.41 | Khertan | Markus23 ... is it available ? |
| 17:29.41 | Stskeeps | wazd: .. |
| 17:29.49 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: cards? |
| 17:29.55 | Klowner | is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php|Maemo busted for anyone else? |
| 17:29.55 | microlith | http://www.nokiausa.com/ |
| 17:30.26 | wazd | Shit! It just shows no signal |
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| 17:30.48 | wazd | Nomnomnomnom |
| 17:30.53 | wazd | Panic |
| 17:31.41 | Markus23 | Khertan: SpeedEvil: maps, sorry for my english |
| 17:31.43 | crashanddie | oh wow |
| 17:31.50 | crashanddie | I'm having an identity crisis so it seems |
| 17:31.58 | Markus23 | have you used it? |
| 17:32.06 | crashanddie | microlith: moaning about any kind of websites in here really doesn't have any real use |
| 17:32.19 | konttori | pupnik: thanks |
| 17:32.22 | microlith | crashanddie: I'm more than a little irate at Nokia proper now |
| 17:32.32 | crashanddie | microlith: if you need to get something out of your system, go to the local gym or use those rusty dumbells |
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| 17:32.35 | microlith | since it is part of their business |
| 17:32.39 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: the browser should work on the openstreetmap site - however - I have not tried other software. |
| 17:32.40 | konttori | has been a long week. We have been preparing things for SSU for you guys. |
| 17:32.50 | crashanddie | microlith: but this channel isn't part of their business, and neither is the Maemo community |
| 17:32.56 | konttori | Looks like we finally have just the right receipe. |
| 17:33.21 | xorAxAx | hmm installing the nokia binaries fails for me with gateway errors |
| 17:33.21 | greenfly | yeah I thought this channel was for all things maemo, not all things nokia |
| 17:33.25 | Markus23 | SpeedEvil: something using GPS would be nice |
| 17:33.28 | crashanddie | microlith: so call them and yell at a rep, I don't care, but please don't disrupt this channel, thanks |
| 17:33.32 | lardman | do I need a DBUS Interface for mbarcode? |
| 17:33.36 | greenfly | a nokia storefront really has zero to do with the maemo platform |
| 17:33.36 | xorAxAx | when will the repository server work again? |
| 17:33.39 | crashanddie | lardman: why? |
| 17:33.47 | lardman | well to send and receive messages |
| 17:33.47 | Khertan | konttori oh ssu for fremantle ? |
| 17:33.55 | crashanddie | lardman: again, why? |
| 17:33.57 | lardman | just wondering about what bits are necessary |
| 17:34.09 | crashanddie | lardman: let's not overcomplicate it at first |
| 17:34.17 | lardman | overcompilcate what? |
| 17:34.24 | crashanddie | words? :P |
| 17:34.38 | xorAxAx | ah, now it works |
| 17:34.40 | konttori | Khertan: yea |
| 17:34.40 | lardman | Interface is one of the DBus terms |
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| 17:34.53 | SpeedEvil | Markus23: I'm planning on doing things like that - but my n900 hasn't arrived yet |
| 17:34.54 | hashier | hej |
| 17:35.09 | Stskeeps | wello |
| 17:35.25 | crashanddie | lardman: do you see an initial benefit, an immediate benefit that would come from having DBUS integration? |
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| 17:35.27 | Khertan | konttori any details ? big improvment ? surprize ? |
| 17:35.36 | Markus23 | SpeedEvil: ok, thanks - seems to be too early to ask this kind of questions |
| 17:35.38 | Arkenoi | is ms exchange emulation the recommended way to sync with google at the moment? |
| 17:35.38 | lardman | crashanddie: I won't have to write any webscraping code |
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| 17:36.04 | greenfly | Arkenoi: depends on what you are synching |
| 17:36.15 | greenfly | Arkenoi: with the calendar, you will only sync one calendar, not all |
| 17:36.17 | Khertan | Arkenoi : for contacts only ... yes |
| 17:36.18 | lardman | crashanddie: and other people could use barcodes more easily than writing their own gst code |
| 17:36.22 | Arkenoi | calendar, contacts |
| 17:36.31 | greenfly | Arkenoi: which is a limitation on Google's end (arguably on the exchange gateway protocol?) |
| 17:36.31 | Flandry | i think from the response in the talk thread, you should go ahead with it Lardman |
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| 17:36.34 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, the new pygtkeditor doesn't run here, it crashes :-/ |
| 17:36.37 | Arkenoi | todo would be nice also |
| 17:36.38 | crashanddie | lardman: MoSCoW? |
| 17:37.02 | Khertan | kalikianatoli ? really ? |
| 17:37.05 | Khertan | greenfly : calendar sync is working for you ? |
| 17:37.10 | pupnik | i think the barcode app is the most hitech thing to come out of the community in a long time |
| 17:37.20 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, it loads forever and vanishes if I tap the task launcher |
| 17:37.26 | greenfly | Khertan: if you use the exchange gateway, google will only sync one calendar |
| 17:37.35 | lardman | crashanddie: enough with the pseudo-business babble :p |
| 17:37.39 | Khertan | arkemoi google doesn t support todo |
| 17:37.42 | lardman | crashanddie: what was your real point? |
| 17:37.45 | Arkenoi | does it read "classic" 1d barcodes? |
| 17:37.47 | greenfly | Khertan: but I've been using the GPE calendar and you can add all your google calendar private ical urls to it |
| 17:37.51 | Venomrush | best unboxing pics so far! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=391895&posted=1#post391895 |
| 17:37.55 | Arkenoi | khertan well, i can live without it |
| 17:37.59 | Flandry | having something like that available as a service on dbus is a great building block for future apps |
| 17:38.03 | crashanddie | lardman: how about you start by fixing what is required for this app to be 100% usable |
| 17:38.04 | lardman | yeah |
| 17:38.09 | lardman | like what? |
| 17:38.13 | Khertan | kalikianatoli can you launch it from xterm ? |
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| 17:38.35 | lardman | crashanddie: have you used it recently? |
| 17:38.39 | crashanddie | lardman: I'm tired of having apps which are awesome in concept, but never in execution. I love the fact you can scan a barcode with it, but I hate I have to use the camera app to focus and can't launch the camera app after mbarcode is launched |
| 17:38.42 | Arkenoi | greenfly: is GPE suite reasonable replacement for builtin PIM? are there any integration problems? |
| 17:38.42 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, "no module named dbus" |
| 17:38.43 | crashanddie | lardman: nope, only the one from the summit |
| 17:38.48 | Khertan | did you use package 3.0.0-3 ? |
| 17:38.51 | lardman | well there we are |
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| 17:39.01 | Arkenoi | focus is terrible |
| 17:39.02 | crashanddie | lardman: then advertise your work, man! |
| 17:39.05 | Khertan | kalikianatoli arg a dependancy error |
| 17:39.14 | crashanddie | lardman: is it in the repos? |
| 17:39.22 | greenfly | Arkenoi: seems to work fine for me, it's just choosing to launch one program versus another |
| 17:39.24 | Arkenoi | actually i never managed to focus on a barcode which is directly nearby within 20cm |
| 17:39.24 | Khertan | kalikianatoli thx |
| 17:39.26 | Flandry | he did, on t.m.o |
| 17:39.30 | greenfly | but I haven't tried anything beyond the calendar |
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| 17:40.02 | kalikianatoli | Khertan, no problem. |
| 17:40.08 | Arkenoi | greenfly, is there any object integration? can i, say, attach a contact card to an appointment? |
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| 17:40.12 | lardman | crashanddie: yes, maemo-devel |
| 17:40.25 | waz1 | Damn, any ideas? |
| 17:40.35 | greenfly | Arkenoi: *shrug* |
| 17:40.45 | greenfly | Arkenoi: haven't tried any of that stuff |
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| 17:45.59 | waz1 | No ideas? |
| 17:46.14 | Stskeeps | waz1: what exactly did you do? |
| 17:46.33 | konttori | Khertan: no details yet. |
| 17:46.41 | konttori | I'll check if I can leak something next week. |
| 17:46.51 | Arkenoi | btw i have contacts sucked out from my old phone |
| 17:46.56 | Arkenoi | it was synced with google |
| 17:47.03 | waz1 | Stskeeps: erm, used gigabyte's facereplace utility |
| 17:47.12 | konttori | you won't be getting it next week if that's a good detail ;) |
| 17:47.15 | Arkenoi | if i enable google sync now, will i get zillions of duplicates |
| 17:47.16 | Arkenoi | ? |
| 17:47.21 | waz1 | Stskeeps: it just replaces boot image |
| 17:47.39 | waz1 | Stskeeps: that's all :( |
| 17:47.43 | Arkenoi | or even worse contacts dropped out due to a conflict |
| 17:48.18 | lardman | ok, have added some thoughts to the TMO post |
| 17:48.22 | lardman | your thoughts appreciated |
| 17:48.39 | lardman | goes to compile an up-to-date Diablo version for the repo |
| 17:49.04 | Stskeeps | waz1: not sure what facereplace is |
| 17:49.11 | Stskeeps | (google doesn't tell me) |
| 17:49.14 | Khertan | konttori: arf :) |
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| 17:50.10 | t_s_o | hmm, new garnet vm beta? |
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| 17:50.24 | crashanddie | lardman: can I report bugs? :D Works nicely! |
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| 17:50.39 | lardman | crashanddie: sure |
| 17:50.47 | lardman | :) |
| 17:51.04 | crashanddie | lardman: the app crashes when you lock on a code it doesn't find the lookup for, and then you scan one for which it does find the lookup |
| 17:51.20 | _claesbas | t_s_o, yea, saw that I wonder if there are some news this time |
| 17:51.21 | lardman | yeah, that's my crappy webscraping code |
| 17:51.40 | t_s_o | _claesbas: going to download now... |
| 17:51.42 | lardman | I need to work out what to do with that, see my post here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34996 |
| 17:51.57 | crashanddie | lardman: and the field which displays the EAN code shows some funky characters sometimes after the webscraping |
| 17:52.01 | _claesbas | t_s_o, ok, please report if you find something useful.. :-P |
| 17:52.11 | lardman | crashanddie: yeah, same issue |
| 17:52.29 | lardman | crashanddie: probably best to display the raw data there and let another app/plugin handle the real data |
| 17:52.36 | lardman | s/real/looked up |
| 17:52.48 | waz2 | Gb has some virtual bios feature |
| 17:54.02 | Stskeeps | waz1: know how to reset a CMOS? :P |
| 17:54.07 | crashanddie | lardman: code? |
| 17:54.09 | Khertan | ouch extras-devel is still broken ? |
| 17:54.24 | waz2 | Stskeeps: didn't help |
| 17:54.29 | greenfly | Khertan: it's not so much that it's still broken, just that it's intermittently broken |
| 17:54.33 | Khertan | stskeeps : with a powerfull ultra violet lamp |
| 17:54.46 | lardman | crashanddie: Garage, maemo-barcode |
| 17:55.01 | Khertan | greenfly: thx for the information i ll try a bit later so |
| 17:55.03 | Stskeeps | Khertan: true |
| 17:55.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:55.26 | waz2 | Stskeeps: can you help me a bit by googling gigabyte dual bios plus feature |
| 17:55.35 | waz2 | Stskeeps: how to use it |
| 17:55.43 | Stskeeps | waz2: yeah, i am reading the manual |
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| 17:56.12 | waz2 | Stskeeps: mb: GA-M57SLI-S4 |
| 17:56.22 | Markus23 | have that board too :-) |
| 17:56.37 | Stskeeps | waz2: symptoms are that nothing at all shows on screen? :P |
| 17:56.43 | Markus23 | do you know where to buy a bios chip for it? |
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| 17:57.06 | waz2 | Stskeeps: yep, no signal |
| 17:57.52 | Khertan | does there is kmow bugs with mastory and wordpress image upload or does myh wp is broken ? |
| 17:57.59 | waz2 | Markus23: it has bios restore feature |
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| 17:58.38 | waz2 | Markus23: but I don't know how to trigger it |
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| 17:59.53 | waz2 | Damn, this is so lame |
| 18:00.03 | Markus23 | waz2: ok, would be important to know before trying to flash :-) |
| 18:00.55 | waz2 | Stskeeps: anything useful? |
| 18:02.00 | Khertan | auto builder is really slow this evening |
| 18:02.48 | Stskeeps | waz2: it should fallback to second BIOS, not fail completely :P |
| 18:03.07 | Stskeeps | waz2: put back CMOS jumper btw? |
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| 18:06.05 | Stskeeps | waz2: ok, take out the CMOS battery for a minute |
| 18:06.44 | Markus23 | isn't that just to reset the settings? |
| 18:07.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, but chances are that the ettings currently in use don't work the backup bios |
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| 18:07.44 | Stskeeps | wazd: ok, take out the CMOS battery for a minute |
| 18:08.03 | Markus23 | but how to get the backup bios? |
| 18:08.07 | Markus23 | (restore it) |
| 18:08.20 | Stskeeps | Markus23: normally it would failover to backup if first one failed |
| 18:08.27 | Markus23 | ok, nice |
| 18:08.34 | Markus23 | should really try to flash it then |
| 18:08.53 | Stskeeps | i think he wish he could :P |
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| 18:09.10 | lcuk | wazd, remember to take out the power cable too |
| 18:09.35 | lcuk | just removing the battery on its own whilst power is still in doesnt reset on all mobos |
| 18:10.18 | ali1234 | i wouldn't have thought that would work on any board... |
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| 18:11.22 | wazd | Derp |
| 18:11.23 | Markus23 | there is also a jumper for resetting it |
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| 18:11.52 | lcuk | yeah but jumpers need specific knowledge, the battery is most universally understood and recognisable |
| 18:12.05 | lcuk | even by wazd :D |
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| 18:13.36 | wazd | Ok... |
| 18:13.41 | ali1234 | i've used dualbios as an adhoc eeprom copier |
| 18:13.56 | Stskeeps | wazd: any luck? |
| 18:14.01 | ali1234 | the backup bios has to be bit for bit identical to the main, otherwise it trigger an error |
| 18:14.21 | Markus23 | CLR_CMOS is next to the battery |
| 18:14.24 | Stskeeps | ali1234: won't a bios update hose it then? :P |
| 18:14.33 | Stskeeps | if it's a bad update |
| 18:14.39 | wazd | Didn't help |
| 18:14.55 | AakashPatel | Does the N900 support SPP bluetooth profile? |
| 18:14.56 | ali1234 | no. it first checksums the main bios. if that's good, it compares it with the backup and if the backup doesn't match, it copies main->backup |
| 18:15.04 | ali1234 | if the main fails checksum it copies backup->main |
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| 18:15.19 | Markus23 | wazd: it is directly above it (not where the SYS_FAN connector is, the other side) |
| 18:15.37 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 18:15.48 | wazd | Markus23: already tried it |
| 18:15.52 | SpeedEvil | became confused about the above conversation before realising it was not n900 based. |
| 18:16.06 | Markus23 | ohh.. don't have any more ideas |
| 18:16.08 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: we do think of other things than n900. like bacon. |
| 18:16.15 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Cheese. |
| 18:16.37 | Stskeeps | ali1234: so it is actuallly a hw failure protection, not a bad bios update protection? |
| 18:16.44 | ali1234 | yeah basically |
| 18:16.51 | Stskeeps | well that's kinda shitty :) |
| 18:16.54 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you know better than anyone, the unused feature of n900 is the bacon grill on the slideout keyboard |
| 18:17.07 | ali1234 | if you flash something wrong but with a valid checksum into the main bios, you are screwed |
| 18:17.28 | Markus23 | ohh... |
| 18:18.11 | Khertan | oh shit it s my wordpress which is broken |
| 18:18.13 | ali1234 | although in that case, it wont get as far as running the copier |
| 18:18.30 | Markus23 | is there a usenet reader on n900? |
| 18:18.32 | ali1234 | so you can pull the main bios and force to boot from the backup |
| 18:18.40 | timeless_mbp | Markus23: google groups should work :) |
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| 18:19.04 | ali1234 | also loads of these dual bios boards don't come with two bios chips installed... they have one empty socket (mine did anyway) |
| 18:19.05 | Markus23 | :-) and something local also? |
| 18:19.29 | Markus23 | ali1234: yes, noticed that already, where do i get another chip? |
| 18:19.40 | ali1234 | i got one from another dead board |
| 18:19.50 | ali1234 | any computer scrap dealer will have loads of them :) |
| 18:19.58 | timeless_mbp | Markus23: gmail subscription to google groups? :) |
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| 18:20.18 | Khertan | Markus23: microb :) |
| 18:20.33 | Markus23 | timeless_mbp: thats not the spirit of usenet :-) |
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| 18:20.50 | RST38h | Ahhahaha: http://mobiletablets.blogspot.com/2009/11/maemo-minute.html |
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| 18:21.08 | Stskeeps | wazd: next to the middle PCIE slots in direction of nVidia chipset, is there one or two bios chips? |
| 18:21.17 | AakashPatel | hahah RST38h |
| 18:21.18 | RST38h | The spirit of usenet has long turned to vinnegar |
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| 18:22.13 | RST38h | WAIT. Is KOffice finally out? |
| 18:22.15 | Khertan | is waiting autobuilder |
| 18:23.56 | Markus23 | I will just wait for kde on n900 and use knode :-P |
| 18:24.03 | kalikianatoli | is waiting for dpkg before sending it to autobuilder |
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| 18:24.19 | RST38h | you can probably port knode right away, it does not depend on kde much (or didn't, anyway) |
| 18:24.23 | Khertan | Markus23: i think you will wait a long time |
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| 18:24.32 | RST38h | is usually waiting for dput not to fail =) |
| 18:24.54 | waz1 | so, I'm screwed then |
| 18:24.58 | Stskeeps | waz1: virtual dual bios you say? |
| 18:25.20 | waz1 | Stskeeps: yep |
| 18:25.23 | Khertan | dput didnt work with a 3G phone connection due to limitation on port different than 80 |
| 18:25.30 | Khertan | s/a/my |
| 18:25.36 | ali1234 | you have to do the bios hotswap trick :) |
| 18:25.50 | Markus23 | RST38h: yes, don't think it will be too hard |
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| 18:26.31 | Klowner | hunts for the tablets-dev.nokia.com admin so he can beat them with a rubber hose |
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| 18:27.09 | Stskeeps | waz1: you -may- be able to rescue from a usb |
| 18:28.12 | lcuk | whats actually happening? and i hope oyu have the speaker plugged in so you can hear the beeps |
| 18:28.23 | RST38h | Anyone knows if KOffice is in Extras already? |
| 18:28.37 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 18:28.38 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:28.40 | Khertan | s/a/my |
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| 18:29.16 | waz1 | I'd better take it to the service |
| 18:29.17 | Khertan | rst38h ... it s not |
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| 18:29.30 | RST38h | Then why announce it? :( |
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| 18:29.38 | Khertan | who do it ? |
| 18:30.09 | RST38h | Khertan: http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/reviews/appsrev/1311-koffice-21-released-ups-nokia-n900-and-microsoft-office-compatibility |
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| 18:31.36 | Markus23 | Stskeeps: how should that work? booting from usb needs bios too? |
| 18:31.50 | RST38h | "Wikipedia bans Volvo's IT over racist rants"<== eek |
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| 18:32.06 | Stskeeps | Markus23: noone says there can't be a small bios somewhere. |
| 18:32.31 | AakashPatel | RST38h, where'd you read taht? |
| 18:32.45 | derf | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/25/wikipedia_bans_volvo/ |
| 18:33.14 | waz1 | Fuck... |
| 18:33.31 | Stskeeps | passes waz1 a cookie and hopes for the best |
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| 18:34.18 | Khertan | maemo-freaks is like maemo-experts nothing more than a blog made from people which don t know what they are talking about |
| 18:34.37 | javispedro | like the rest of the maemo fansites.. |
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| 18:34.53 | javispedro | well, most of them. |
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| 18:35.32 | javispedro | but I guess that comes with mainstreamness, as usual. |
| 18:35.46 | RST38h | yea |
| 18:36.07 | RST38h | javis: Seen that Mowgli wiki link? |
| 18:36.31 | Khertan | maemo.org/packages : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-3/ |
| 18:36.43 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 18:36.44 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 18:39.23 | bitcrusher | hi guys |
| 18:39.32 | AakashPatel | yo bitcrusher |
| 18:39.41 | bitcrusher | hi there Patel |
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| 18:40.38 | waz1 | Daaaaamn, why am I such a looser |
| 18:41.26 | Stskeeps | at least you still have your tablet |
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| 18:41.45 | Khertan | rst38h: they announce that it ll be available one day on n900 |
| 18:42.05 | Khertan | but of course maemo-freaks announce that it s available |
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| 18:42.37 | javispedro | RST38h: nope |
| 18:42.45 | Khertan | didn t read anymore talk.maemo.org |
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| 18:43.42 | Khertan | realize that he didn t read anymore maemo planet due to all this false info from dumb blog |
| 18:43.45 | BBNS | mmm seems a few people got 'memory card corrupted and low memory' issues ... |
| 18:43.58 | Stskeeps | BBNS: worse one is the mic failure, i'd sa |
| 18:43.59 | Stskeeps | y |
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| 18:44.59 | BBNS | Stskeeps: that's kinda scare me actually. :3 didn't korean factory do some QA test? |
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| 18:46.51 | Khertan | fear is one week waranty device will have default |
| 18:47.08 | Khertan | +that is |
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| 18:48.21 | detective | hey guys, where are the perl libarys for arm? if i'm trying to build an application with perl support, it always chooses /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi while configuring |
| 18:48.30 | BBNS | Khertan: it's kinda give bad impression for people, especially for the new comers. |
| 18:48.31 | javispedro | well in one week warranty you can test if the mic works or not ;) |
| 18:48.43 | bitcrusher | hey javispedro, you did the DrNokSnes for the N900, right? |
| 18:48.56 | javispedro | yeah |
| 18:49.21 | javispedro | btw, so the mic issue is definitely hardware? |
| 18:49.34 | bitcrusher | got any pointes in starting c++'ing, especially for the n900? |
| 18:49.45 | RST38h | do you know c? |
| 18:50.11 | bitcrusher | sadly no, some light C#/.net and lots of php |
| 18:50.28 | RST38h | get K&r c book and read it first |
| 18:50.30 | Khertan | bbns but i can understand it as it s for dev |
| 18:50.41 | bitcrusher | K&R? |
| 18:51.02 | RST38h | somebody give him amazon link |
| 18:51.13 | RST38h | is eating as he types |
| 18:51.23 | Khertan | or learn python |
| 18:51.28 | SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Language-Dennis-M-Richie/dp/0876925964 |
| 18:51.40 | derf | Really, just don't bother learning C++. |
| 18:51.46 | RST38h | well he wants c++, c is the spot to start from |
| 18:51.53 | derf | Unless someone is paying you a lot of money, it's almost always the wrong language for the job. |
| 18:51.55 | _berto_ | c++ -> http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-Special/dp/0201700735 |
| 18:51.58 | mece | what's wrong with c++? |
| 18:51.59 | RST38h | c++ is the 2nd step, thanks speedevil |
| 18:52.05 | Khertan | derf lol |
| 18:52.08 | bitcrusher | i've just set up a pygame environment, and I find the tutorials very lacking for pygame |
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| 18:52.29 | Khertan | it s seems the recommended one for qt dev |
| 18:52.35 | bitcrusher | i definitly want an OOP language like C++ over just C |
| 18:52.46 | _berto_ | c++ is usually criticized for being too complex |
| 18:52.47 | Ceron^ | :D got damn im so tierd |
| 18:52.53 | Ceron^ | no n900 yet |
| 18:52.55 | Ceron^ | sucks |
| 18:52.58 | bitcrusher | thanks for the link _berto_ |
| 18:53.02 | mece | _berto_: bah. Same as the rest. |
| 18:53.04 | Ceron^ | i guess il wait no n990 |
| 18:53.06 | RST38h | c++ is ok as a better v |
| 18:53.08 | Khertan | goto++ powa !! |
| 18:53.08 | RST38h | c |
| 18:53.14 | Ceron^ | i wont buy this n900... |
| 18:53.27 | derf | RST38h: No one uses it like that, though. |
| 18:53.29 | Ceron^ | want the next version with qwerty that has maemo 6 |
| 18:53.33 | RST38h | does |
| 18:53.44 | Khertan | how to say ... it s your problem |
| 18:53.44 | derf | And really, for the shittier compiler tools you have to work with, it's not worth it. |
| 18:54.11 | lcuk | RST38h, you? http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/11039 |
| 18:54.12 | derf | RST38h: You're no one. |
| 18:54.20 | greenfly | sits back and watches C++ holy war #1985980234832 |
| 18:54.23 | bitcrusher | i've heard that C++ is complex as well, from a very skilled programmer, whos used coding for the last 20 years |
| 18:54.27 | suihkulokki | Ceron^: you mean you actually enjoy waiting so much you'll keep waiting? |
| 18:54.27 | RST38h | derf: Screw stl, exceptions, rtti, 99% templates, multiple inheritance, and you have got a better c |
| 18:54.35 | bitcrusher | which ofcourse scares me at bit that HE says that |
| 18:54.41 | RST38h | derf: not to my employer and clients though |
| 18:54.45 | derf | Also constructors, destructors, ... |
| 18:54.47 | bitcrusher | so any pointers on pygame then? |
| 18:54.51 | Ceron^ | suihkulokki: yeh waited like a year |
| 18:54.55 | Ceron^ | so why not wait 2 years? |
| 18:54.59 | _berto_ | bitcrusher: it's easier if you read the book first ;) |
| 18:55.03 | javispedro | ah... no Java, no C++ :) |
| 18:55.09 | bitcrusher | anyone had experience with that on the N900 or N8xx devices? |
| 18:55.10 | RST38h | derf: keep the constructors and destructors. they are useful |
| 18:55.28 | derf | RST38h: Except their design is basically broken. |
| 18:55.30 | Lorthirk` | agrees |
| 18:55.33 | derf | So you can't actually do anything useful in them. |
| 18:55.34 | RST38h | derf: I would disallow use of new and delete, but... |
| 18:55.41 | RST38h | derf: it is ok, many broken things are useful |
| 18:56.00 | Lorthirk | ok, i'm gonna take some chips |
| 18:56.01 | bitcrusher | _berto_ i've found out im not very good at "theoretical" knowledge, but I am with practical knowledge = when i need to use it |
| 18:56.09 | Lorthirk | this is going to be funny to watch :D |
| 18:56.16 | Markus23 | RST38h: C++ does not disallow that because at some point you may need it |
| 18:56.16 | RST38h | bitcrusher: K&R book is pretty slim and very practical |
| 18:56.20 | Jaffa | lbt: good points on QA and non-free |
| 18:56.25 | Markus23 | e.g. implementing containers yourself |
| 18:56.25 | RST38h | Markus: Yea, I guess so :) |
| 18:56.27 | Lupu | Lorthirk: Just let me know who wins in the end, ok? ;) |
| 18:56.29 | _berto_ | bitcrusher: c++ introduces quite a few concepts when compared to c so it's a good idea to read about them first :) |
| 18:56.37 | Lorthirk | ok lupu, i'll try :) |
| 18:56.42 | greenfly | it's a shame, because someone asks for help and he gets a teaspoon of help and a gallon of know-it-all language cops |
| 18:56.47 | Lupu | suspects Haskell |
| 18:56.49 | Lupu | hides |
| 18:57.02 | RST38h | bitcrusher: Anyway, disregarding whether C++ is actually worth learning, you should start with C in order to learn C++ |
| 18:57.08 | javispedro | greenfly: that's what you can expect when asking for C help in #maemo ;) |
| 18:57.09 | mikec | anyone got a good n900 that can run cat /proc/asound/devices for me |
| 18:57.10 | _berto_ | definitely |
| 18:57.15 | lcuk | compares c to visual basic then runs |
| 18:57.15 | greenfly | you might as well be arguing about which superhero can beat up which other one |
| 18:57.21 | bitcrusher | _berto_ id imagine it would be different, as C would introduce new concepts, because of the lacking OOP |
| 18:57.23 | RST38h | bitcrusher: Whether you want to proceed to C++ and how far is a personal business of yours |
| 18:57.46 | greenfly | well he did want help with c++ on the n900 specifically |
| 18:57.54 | Markus23 | bitcrusher: and mainly lacking references and templates you see lots of pointers and macros there |
| 18:57.54 | greenfly | which makes sense considering the move to qt |
| 18:57.59 | Khertan | greenfly please define good |
| 18:58.03 | lcuk | mikec, ive got a bad one that i can try it with but afail asound isnt there |
| 18:58.07 | RST38h | Well, n900 is no different from generic Linux as far as C++ is concerned |
| 18:58.12 | RST38h | So, that was really a no-question |
| 18:58.16 | greenfly | Khertan: ? |
| 18:58.17 | bitcrusher | RST38h: ofcourse, but its always good to hear others arguments for and against, before making up you own mind i think :) |
| 18:58.21 | javispedro | (or QTC++) |
| 18:58.21 | _berto_ | bitcrusher: I'm talking about the language itself, of course creating a basic class and doing inheritance is easier in c++ |
| 18:58.25 | mece | I think we're talking Qt here, amiright bitcrusher? |
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| 18:58.50 | Khertan | greenfly : good n900 device |
| 18:58.53 | mikec | lcuk:cheers trying to find out what the device names are for the mic |
| 18:59.02 | greenfly | Khertan: I don't think I said that |
| 18:59.04 | lcuk | there is acutally hold on |
| 18:59.05 | RST38h | bitcrusher: Whether C++ is of any use is everyone's favorite flame war argument |
| 18:59.07 | lcuk | lemme do this from ssh |
| 18:59.13 | qwerty12_N900 | mikec: http://pastebin.com/f52b11f35 |
| 18:59.13 | Khertan | greemfly oh sorry |
| 18:59.18 | RST38h | bitcrusher: i.e. you will not get anything useful by listening to it |
| 18:59.21 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5/ |
| 18:59.22 | RST38h | To each his own |
| 18:59.29 | mikec | ok cheers |
| 18:59.32 | javispedro | (aka as religious flame war) |
| 18:59.37 | bitcrusher | mece: depends, till i got my eye on the N900 i had never heard of Qt, but if Qt is mandatory to get code running on the N900, the yes ;) |
| 18:59.41 | Khertan | someone have error ? |
| 18:59.51 | lcuk | damn its not setup, someone else will have to |
| 18:59.52 | greenfly | bitcrusher: it isn't, you can also use GTK libraries for GUI programming |
| 18:59.58 | mece | bitcrusher: it's not. |
| 18:59.59 | greenfly | which would (generally) be in C or python |
| 19:00.00 | bitcrusher | if ive gotten this right, Qt is the window manager, right? |
| 19:00.06 | _berto_ | bitcrusher: Qt is not mandatory, in fact all built-in apps are written in plain C |
| 19:00.06 | bitcrusher | GUI manager then |
| 19:00.13 | RST38h | can argue both for and against C++ for example, depending on the accumulation of bile |
| 19:00.18 | greenfly | bitcrusher: QT is a GUI library that you can use to draw buttons, windows, dropdowns, etc. |
| 19:00.23 | bitcrusher | excatly |
| 19:00.29 | bitcrusher | like Gnome/KDE |
| 19:00.33 | greenfly | a window manager is different |
| 19:00.42 | Lupu | QT is so much more than that... |
| 19:00.45 | greenfly | bitcrusher: no, KDE /uses/ the QT library |
| 19:00.46 | Lorthirk | indeed |
| 19:00.51 | Khertan | not like gnome/kde |
| 19:00.52 | mece | bitcrusher: And it's pretty nice, especially since it has some nice stuff that makes you want to kill yourself less when programming c++. IMO. |
| 19:00.52 | Klowner | and Gnome uses GTK |
| 19:00.54 | Lorthirk | i was writing, qt is a framework |
| 19:00.57 | _berto_ | bitcrusher: for the n900 you can use C, C++, Python, ... |
| 19:00.59 | Lorthirk | not only for gui |
| 19:01.03 | bitcrusher | oh it does, i thought it was "its own" code it used |
| 19:01.19 | bitcrusher | <-- at the KDE comment |
| 19:01.20 | acouto | hi all, i have a n800 and i'd want to know if is there a command that show if is chinook or diablo? |
| 19:01.22 | lcuk | bitcrusher, i believe gcc also has FORTRAN built in |
| 19:01.32 | _berto_ | bitcrusher: and you can choose gtk, qt, efl, ... although the official toolkit is gtk |
| 19:01.48 | jeremiah | Jaffa: Personally I think non-free apps suck, but I suppose everything should go through -testing. |
| 19:01.53 | Khertan | perl is an other option |
| 19:01.54 | greenfly | bitcrusher: ncurses:command line::qt:GUI |
| 19:02.00 | Klowner | Nokia bought Trolltech didn't they? |
| 19:02.11 | Lorthirk | yes |
| 19:02.12 | bitcrusher | Klowner: yes they did |
| 19:02.19 | jeremiah | Khertan: \o/ |
| 19:02.23 | Lorthirk | in fact now you can download qt from qt.nokia.com |
| 19:02.28 | Lupu | Which reminds me, has there ever been an obfuscated perl code contest?... *hmm* |
| 19:02.33 | Lorthirk | (iirc) |
| 19:02.38 | _berto_ | Lupu: of course |
| 19:02.40 | Klowner | Lupu: you mean regular perl contest? |
| 19:02.46 | kynky | is the mic not working fault happening to a high percentage of uk orders ? |
| 19:02.47 | RST38h | Lupu: not considered an accomplishment |
| 19:03.02 | javispedro | writing unofuscated perl code would be an accomplishment ;) |
| 19:03.06 | jeremiah | perl poetry FTQ |
| 19:03.15 | mece | bitcrusher: You might want to check Qt out, since maemo6 will be using that stuff. |
| 19:03.16 | _berto_ | RST38h: oh, it is -> http://mysite.verizon.net/les.peters/id2.html |
| 19:03.28 | mece | bitcrusher: Here http://qt.nokia.com :) |
| 19:03.48 | Lupu | That was my point, I can understand an OCCC, but doing the same with perl would just be... *unfair* |
| 19:04.00 | bitcrusher | hmm, i guess ill try and start out with Pygame first, then maybe move on to Qt ;) v. 1.8.1 of pygame is available to the N900, right? |
| 19:04.07 | mece | bitcrusher: but if you just want to hack some stuff on your device, I'd go with python. |
| 19:04.20 | mece | Aren't there pyQt stuff too? |
| 19:04.22 | Khertan | jeremiah : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5/ : Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/maemo/packages/handler/repository/repository.php on line 542 |
| 19:04.37 | RST38h | berto: looks like normal perl to me |
| 19:04.39 | jeremiah | That error again. :/ |
| 19:04.44 | _berto_ | RST38h: heh :) |
| 19:04.56 | _berto_ | actually you can write readable perl code |
| 19:05.11 | _berto_ | but people like to obfuscate it |
| 19:05.11 | _berto_ | :p |
| 19:05.12 | mece | _berto: *GASP* |
| 19:05.14 | slonopotamus | comment out line 542 then :) |
| 19:05.24 | jeremiah | Khertan: You can see from the beginning of that path that it is on /mnt/netapp |
| 19:05.29 | bitcrusher | for starters, just to get a feeling with the device, my skills and making apps, as im a webdev/php whore and not used to writing to displays, check inputs and whatnot |
| 19:05.31 | *** join/#maemo trofi (n=slyfox@93.84.249.175) |
| 19:05.50 | jeremiah | Which means it is actually on another machine |
| 19:06.08 | jeremiah | Khertan: I am not sure I have access to that, but I will check. |
| 19:06.10 | _berto_ | i have to leave, guys |
| 19:06.11 | _berto_ | see you |
| 19:06.12 | mece | bitcrusher: just start small. |
| 19:06.12 | Lupu | I recently got my hands on a 4k perl POS. An interesting statistic: 30% of its lines included "$_". |
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| 19:06.29 | jeremiah | $_ is the default variable in perl |
| 19:06.31 | Lupu | That's not including other default variable references, such as plain "/something/" |
| 19:06.43 | waz1 | oh, found service that restores bios for 10 bucks |
| 19:06.49 | bitcrusher | yes, definitely, learned that the hard way with php back in the day ;) |
| 19:06.51 | waz1 | Whew |
| 19:07.11 | Lupu | Talk about readable code... |
| 19:07.31 | jeremiah | Perl is very readable. |
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| 19:07.52 | bitcrusher | but anyone know of some pygame on Maemo devices ? as the pygame site itself, seems very lacking and out of date in its tutorial section |
| 19:07.54 | jeremiah | Most people who complain about its syntax don't know much about perl |
| 19:08.13 | bitcrusher | what i meant was, some pygame tutorials on Maemo devices |
| 19:08.19 | RST38h | most people who know enough perl can be consiered crazy |
| 19:08.39 | RST38h | enough not to complain about the syntax that is |
| 19:08.43 | jeremiah | RST38h: Yeah, like Amazon, BBC, NYTimes and Ticket Master |
| 19:08.52 | Lupu | Using the default variable is no better(or worse) than using function and variable names such as "$a", etc. |
| 19:08.56 | RST38h | are these all people? |
| 19:08.58 | greenfly | really? a perl holy war too? really? |
| 19:09.00 | greenfly | sad guys.... |
| 19:09.06 | greenfly | really sad |
| 19:09.17 | RST38h | is lazily choosing a topic to troll in |
| 19:09.32 | Klowner | bitcrusher: pyglet has very few dependencies, might be worth seeing if that compiles |
| 19:09.41 | mece | I refuse to touch anything other than sml. |
| 19:09.52 | Lorthirk | is this the flame language evening? |
| 19:09.57 | RST38h | perl or c++ is ok, but can we have a political flame war for a change? |
| 19:10.06 | kynky | lol |
| 19:10.07 | tekonivel | fiddled with production n900 at nokia flagship store today |
| 19:10.10 | mece | how about religion? |
| 19:10.12 | javispedro | religious. I vote religigous. |
| 19:10.13 | RST38h | throws up all over mece. Don't you EVER... |
| 19:10.14 | tekonivel | maybe shipping on friday, they said |
| 19:10.18 | kynky | likes haskell |
| 19:10.22 | Klowner | Obama is a cylon! |
| 19:10.37 | Lorthirk | religious is overrated, everyone flames about religion |
| 19:10.48 | javispedro | well and why we can't be like everyone |
| 19:10.49 | mece | Kowner: What? He likes all along the watchtower or what? |
| 19:10.57 | RST38h | Religious? What is there to argue about? The Tentacled One finds all confessions tasty |
| 19:11.07 | Klowner | mece: yes, from bollywood soundtracks |
| 19:11.08 | Lupu | haha |
| 19:11.23 | javispedro | fortunately, the mic issue is concentrating most trolls in one single true thread |
| 19:11.35 | RST38h | Except for protestants maybe, too dull... |
| 19:11.53 | Lorthirk | javispedro: being like everyone? then we should all dump maemo to buy an iphone! |
| 19:11.56 | greenfly | orrrrr you could talk about maemo and talk about those topics in the channels already devoted to them! |
| 19:12.12 | RST38h | we talk about maemo day and night, can we all have a rest? |
| 19:12.15 | javispedro | yes! my mainstreamy me always wanted an iphone! |
| 19:12.18 | Lorthirk | greenfly: this is our evening off, it seems |
| 19:12.19 | mece | hey yeah I was chatting earlier about this. Any good ideas how to improve the efficiency of playing mp3s? I mean 35% cpu? That is just ridiculous! |
| 19:12.24 | greenfly | RST38h: sure can, it's called /part |
| 19:12.44 | RST38h | What part? |
| 19:12.50 | kynky | there is always #thisisnotmaemo for non meamo talk |
| 19:12.52 | greenfly | no, the /part command |
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| 19:12.56 | RST38h | Front part or hind part maybe? |
| 19:12.58 | greenfly | ie, you aren't forced to stay here :) |
| 19:13.11 | RST38h | What is that part of the command? |
| 19:13.20 | kynky | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.21 | RST38h | I am not? |
| 19:13.34 | greenfly | only one way to find out |
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| 19:13.51 | Arkenoi | tries to sync with google.. shen syncing "calendar and tasks" progress bar sticks near 100% and never completes :-( |
| 19:13.51 | RST38h | finally found a good trolling strategy for today. Let us call it The Mad hatter Style |
| 19:14.00 | qwerty12_N900 | Let's go all philosophical: What is the purpose of the /part command? Where did it originate from? Who used it first? |
| 19:14.04 | RST38h | greenfly: what way? left or right? |
| 19:14.22 | RST38h | qwerty: Who were the parents? |
| 19:14.22 | javispedro | what about good cop bad cop trolling? =) |
| 19:14.31 | greenfly | well it was only a matter of time before this became like t.m.o |
| 19:14.32 | RST38h | qwerty: Were they of different genders? |
| 19:14.33 | Lupu | qwerty12_N900: Jarkko Oikarinen? |
| 19:14.34 | derf | RST38h: Palin already has you beat in spades. |
| 19:14.40 | kalikianatoli | Arkenoi, sounds better than here. it never made any progress when I tried |
| 19:14.42 | derf | Since you wanted to troll about politics. |
| 19:14.47 | waz1 | RST38h: childhood :D |
| 19:14.52 | RST38h | derf: Palin is unprofessional at this |
| 19:15.04 | RST38h | derf: I.e. she can't control the flow |
| 19:15.08 | qwerty12_N900 | Lupu: But, on a philosophical level, how can we be sure that it was him? |
| 19:15.14 | derf | Are you crazy? Look at how much people talk about her. |
| 19:15.33 | derf | She is a consummate politician. |
| 19:15.34 | Lupu | qwerty12_N900: Can't you apply the duck principle on this somehow? |
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| 19:15.47 | pwannell | hi all |
| 19:15.54 | RST38h | derf: Lots of people talk about dinosaurs, and those do not even exist |
| 19:16.02 | mece | Top Palin headline today "Palin tells Marg Delahunty Canada should 'dismantle' public health-care system" |
| 19:16.09 | mece | or was it yesterday? Anyway. Good one. |
| 19:16.19 | RST38h | derf: And diarrhea gets more TV broadcast time than Palin ever will |
| 19:16.27 | pwannell | anyone received their n900 yet |
| 19:16.38 | RST38h | Does this imply that diarrhea would beat Palin at presidential race? |
| 19:16.38 | derf | I'm not sure what channels you're watching. |
| 19:16.44 | derf | But you make me glad I don't watch TV. |
| 19:16.44 | qwerty12_N900 | Lupu: How can we be sure that applying the duck principle will benefit us all? |
| 19:17.31 | RST38h | derf: The local TV is showing some low budget movie about the end of the world |
| 19:17.53 | Lorthirk | and what if the duck is sick, anyway? |
| 19:18.07 | Lorthirk | many birds always dies from strange diseases |
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| 19:18.28 | lcuk | biggest problem with relying on the duck is that its afk normally |
| 19:18.29 | RST38h | Well, if the duck has no medical insurance, it has got a problem |
| 19:18.40 | javispedro | duck has H1n1 |
| 19:18.46 | javispedro | run! |
| 19:19.03 | qwerty12_N900 | throws it on javispedro's place of residence |
| 19:19.10 | Lorthirk | RST38h: maybe obama will let her have some treatment too |
| 19:19.11 | kalikianatoli | Is it useful to upload a package depending on a currently-building package? |
| 19:19.15 | javispedro | grabs baseball bat |
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| 19:19.28 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: put it down! |
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| 19:19.35 | mece | I had that piggy stuff already. it wasn't that bad. |
| 19:19.35 | kalikianatoli | Or maybe I should just wait patiently |
| 19:19.35 | qwerty12_N900 | Look what you caused, javispedro |
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| 19:19.50 | kalikianatoli | javispedro, you caused the netsplit! |
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| 19:19.53 | RST38h | Lorthirk: Sex changes are not covered by Medicare/Medicaid. I *think*. |
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| 19:20.11 | mece | is it just me or does this channel seem a little trippy atm? |
| 19:20.15 | RST38h | qwerty: Yes, the Mad Hatter trolling is known to do that |
| 19:20.15 | javispedro | kicks freenode |
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| 19:20.17 | Lorthirk | i'm not about to find it out anyway |
| 19:20.35 | Arkenoi | tried contacts-only sync, got "exchange server not responding" at something like 50% |
| 19:20.47 | RST38h | pushes javispedro back into the kettle |
| 19:20.51 | kalikianatoli | is sad that he can't install FrozenBubble due to missing perl deps |
| 19:21.22 | Lorthirk | oh, by the way, is there some irc client for n900? |
| 19:21.30 | RST38h | Lort: XChat |
| 19:21.34 | javispedro | there's not. all those people with n900 in the nick are lying. |
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| 19:21.42 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I am not sure, but your best bet may be talking to Jaffa |
| 19:21.48 | RST38h | He did some work on syncing |
| 19:22.17 | Lorthirk | javispedro: or maybe, those people put a duck in front of the pc just to blame them when we say they're lying |
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| 19:22.36 | Arkenoi | is he around atm? |
| 19:22.46 | kalikianatoli | or maybe they are lying in a hamock, with their n900 |
| 19:22.50 | RST38h | OMG someone has got an N900 from DDP! |
| 19:23.00 | javispedro | has heart attack and dies |
| 19:23.07 | RST38h | Arkenoi: no idea |
| 19:23.14 | javispedro | 's ghost will haunt RST38h for saying that |
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| 19:23.42 | RST38h | adds ghost to the BOM |
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| 19:24.33 | javispedro | I have to wonder why useless bloggers receive it before useless coders like me! |
| 19:24.49 | unixSnob | anyone like garnet enough to not return to maemo? |
| 19:25.05 | RST38h | Because bloggers will inherit the world |
| 19:25.11 | javispedro | unixSnob: what? |
| 19:25.17 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Start the DrNokSnes blog ;) |
| 19:25.37 | javispedro | would like to but he has a hard time to even keep his own blog updated |
| 19:25.48 | unixSnob | javispedro: anyone like garnet enough to not return to maemo? |
| 19:25.50 | lcuk | if i am using Qik and my internet connection dies (say im at a wedding) does recording continue, or do i have to get them to stop what they are doing and redo vows when connection is restored |
| 19:25.51 | javispedro | maybe I need to open a twitter account and start talking about my frequent toilet visits. |
| 19:26.05 | Lorthirk | speaking of useless bloggers |
| 19:26.13 | Lorthirk | i was thinking of another blog |
| 19:26.15 | mece | lcuk: why don't you try it? |
| 19:26.18 | lcuk | javispedro, no, just get the toilet itself twitter enabled |
| 19:26.20 | RST38h | javispedro: BTW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQPx2VoD84I (SDL, Nethack based) |
| 19:26.26 | lcuk | let it post logs when you flush |
| 19:26.31 | Lorthirk | some tutorials, focused on coding for 900 |
| 19:26.38 | lcuk | mece, multitple reasons, was just a question |
| 19:26.39 | Lorthirk | now, strike me down! |
| 19:26.41 | kalikianatoli | lcuk, "uptime" :-) |
| 19:26.41 | javispedro | unixSnob: "garnet" is dead. garnet vm is a maemo app. |
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| 19:26.52 | Mousey | long live garnet! |
| 19:26.58 | javispedro | oh, I've never played nethack... |
| 19:26.58 | qwerty12_N900 | "A big one entered me. Needed to be flushed a couple o'times." |
| 19:27.22 | Oli`` | Random question but does anyone here know how to quit DrNokSnes? |
| 19:27.28 | kalikianatoli | looks disgusted at qwerty12_N900 |
| 19:27.28 | lcuk | 3.58: OVERFLOW ERROR |
| 19:27.28 | RST38h | javis: aka Moria, Angband, ZAngband, Slashem |
| 19:27.47 | Oli`` | Never minf.. figured it out randomly pressing the screen =) |
| 19:27.52 | unixSnob | javispedro: ah, yeah, looks that way. i thought it was something that would run natively on nit |
| 19:28.01 | lcuk | im gettin an arduino for this very purpose |
| 19:28.17 | javispedro | Oli``: you can exit drnoksnes by tapping the screen? |
| 19:28.20 | javispedro | who implemented that? |
| 19:28.21 | lbt | Jaffa: yeah; it has the potential to become complex |
| 19:28.22 | javispedro | I didn't... |
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| 19:29.10 | mece | javispedro: It's never too late to play nethack |
| 19:29.30 | Arkenoi | feels like i need an extended battery, n900 does not seem to last longer than one day of not-so-active use |
| 19:29.31 | RST38h | javis: Actually, Diablo too (the game not the OS) |
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| 19:29.40 | RST38h | Arkenoi: that is correct |
| 19:29.46 | javispedro | never played Diablo either. |
| 19:29.54 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: You're regularly more than a day from a power socket? |
| 19:30.11 | mece | javispedro: What DID you play?? |
| 19:30.16 | javispedro | SimCity. |
| 19:30.29 | Arkenoi | speedevil, sometimes. if it had a standard miniUSB.. |
| 19:30.30 | RST38h | Arkenoi: If it is any consolation, iPhone does the same :( |
| 19:31.08 | Arkenoi | for e90 i purchased huge and ugly 3.6A*H battery |
| 19:31.19 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: why not carry an adaptor? |
| 19:31.50 | Arkenoi | speedevil, it is not handy. having one in the pocket is quite annoying |
| 19:31.50 | RST38h | Arkenoi: It will probably take 4-6 months for something like this to appear for N900, from Mugen |
| 19:32.16 | Oli`` | What *is* the USB plug format? Is it standard or something Nokia made up? |
| 19:32.19 | RST38h | You do not need an adaptor. I plug mine into my work PC at work. |
| 19:32.54 | mece | Oli``: It's micro-USB |
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| 19:33.01 | Lorthirk | ok, dinner is done for today |
| 19:33.03 | RST38h | Get yourself a USB cable and keep it at work. It solves the problem of running out of power. |
| 19:33.25 | kalikianatoli | there was a cable in the package even |
| 19:33.32 | kalikianatoli | you don't need to buy one |
| 19:33.43 | Lorthirk | instead, i think i fried my ac charger |
| 19:33.51 | Lorthirk | it doesn't work anymore :! |
| 19:34.03 | kalikianatoli | bon appetit |
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| 19:34.26 | javispedro | but at 500mA does it charge or discharge ? ;) |
| 19:34.35 | Oli`` | mece: does anything else use it? I mean I've got cameras, phones, tomtoms more cameras... most very modern - and none of them have that adapter. Some have similar ones but they're not quite right |
| 19:34.37 | Arkenoi | has no job and no workplace ;~( so it is completely unpredictable how i am gonna spend the day and where to get charger :-( |
| 19:34.53 | kalikianatoli | Oli``, other mobile phones do |
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| 19:35.12 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:35.16 | RST38h | It will work through the day, so the cable is mostly for mental piece :) |
| 19:35.23 | RST38h | s/piece/peace |
| 19:35.24 | mece | Oli``: Well it is a standard. I have some small crap that uses micro USB. A bluetooth headset has a microUSB connectod for some reason. |
| 19:35.40 | Oli`` | I'm sure it's a matter of time... It's a shame people can't settle on one format. |
| 19:35.47 | Oli`` | mece: random! |
| 19:35.56 | Lorthirk | www.maemodevcentral.net, how does it sound for a maemo programming blog? |
| 19:35.57 | mece | Oli``: Indeed. |
| 19:36.09 | mece | Lorthirk: Sounds pimp |
| 19:36.13 | kalikianatoli | mece, and it's not used for loading? |
| 19:36.20 | kalikianatoli | *charging |
| 19:36.46 | mece | Kalikianatoli: yes for charging, and some other stuff that I never bother with. There is some software I think, but I've lost the cd. |
| 19:36.53 | Arkenoi | rst38h, if you leave home at the morning and forgot to charge it to 100%, and then you spend all the day someplace with no charger, and use casual navigation and IM all the way, you are likely to run out of battery |
| 19:37.14 | kalikianatoli | mece, so it's not random but very useful. at least I would love if everything charged via usb |
| 19:37.14 | Oli`` | While I'm rabbitting on about chargers, has anybody used their old-to-microusb adapter and noticed it getting really hot? If you have and it's not getting hot, is mine faulty? |
| 19:37.16 | Lorthirk | mece: you think? |
| 19:37.35 | Lorthirk | ok, now i just need to build some knowledge to put in there :D |
| 19:37.39 | Oli`` | kalikianatoli: as long as they were the same USB plug >_< |
| 19:37.51 | mece | Lorthirk: Well it's an old thing, and there was a cd and a cable with it. I never needed it because it did what it was supposed to do without it. |
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| 19:38.09 | Lorthirk | mece i was talking about the blog :D |
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| 19:38.28 | kalikianatoli | Oli``, Two kinds of USB are still better than proprietary chargers |
| 19:38.41 | mece | Lorthirk: LOL ok that makes much more sense. Yes I think it sounds quite professional. |
| 19:38.53 | Lorthirk | great |
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| 19:39.02 | Arkenoi | well, the old time "thick" nokia charger was so widespread for awhile you could expect it anywhere |
| 19:39.10 | Lorthirk | i think i'm gonna register it as soon as i am convinced with this project |
| 19:39.22 | Arkenoi | you walk into any cafe and ask them if they have "nokia charger" and they probably do |
| 19:40.36 | Arkenoi | if you have "thick to thin" converter you may still have some luck these days |
| 19:40.42 | edgar2 | those were the days. |
| 19:40.52 | mece | edgar2! |
| 19:40.57 | edgar2 | :) |
| 19:41.32 | qwerty12_N900 | Stop it. This touching reunion is making me cry. |
| 19:41.48 | Lorthirk | if we were in italy i'd say "carramba che sorpresa!" |
| 19:41.59 | Lorthirk | but it's good we are not, believe me |
| 19:42.10 | Arkenoi | no luck with google sync. well, as the phone is my main PIM i may probably live without it until it will be fixed, nothing really urgent |
| 19:42.14 | mece | qwerty12_N900: which reunion? The chargers? |
| 19:42.41 | qwerty12_N900 | mece: Yours and edgar2's |
| 19:43.06 | edgar2 | it's ok, you can cry now. |
| 19:43.29 | mece | qwerty12_N900: I actually had lunch with him today, and haven't seen him since! So it's pretty emotional. |
| 19:43.52 | Lorthirk | 8 hours of empty and dark lives |
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| 19:44.22 | pwannell | whos mic is faulty |
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| 19:45.34 | edgar2 | this is how dark it is. http://share.ovi.com/media/edgar.public/edgar.10045 |
| 19:45.57 | Lorthirk | wow. that's a new concept of dark. |
| 19:45.58 | edgar2 | taken from my window view 30 sec ago. with the n900 of course :) |
| 19:46.10 | RST38h | Arkenoi: BTW you can use Google Calendar directly |
| 19:48.08 | Lorthirk | RST38h: how? |
| 19:48.38 | RST38h | Lorthirk: Use Google Mobile Calendar URL for Android/iPhone. Works beautifully on N900 |
| 19:49.04 | Lorthirk | there's an app, too... |
| 19:49.06 | mece | I guess the none mobile one works too. |
| 19:49.13 | Lorthirk | gpe calendar |
| 19:51.32 | Arkenoi | too bad there is no Latitude and Google maps. Builtin "location sharing" is a) incompatible and b) pretty dumb and drains the battery quickly |
| 19:51.51 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Of course it is b), probably keeps GPS running |
| 19:52.18 | RST38h | Arkenoi: My guess is someone will eventually take care of it though |
| 19:52.30 | Arkenoi | latitude is smart |
| 19:52.42 | javispedro | in what sense? |
| 19:52.44 | RST38h | Arkenoi: That Google sync, are you syncing calendar alone or calendar+contacts? |
| 19:52.53 | Arkenoi | i walk with latitude on all the day and it powers gps on for just a brief periods of time |
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| 19:53.12 | javispedro | the brief period is the warm startup time. |
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| 19:53.30 | javispedro | so it all depends on "how often"... |
| 19:53.40 | RST38h | it may use cell info as well |
| 19:53.43 | Arkenoi | rst38h: i tried both, the same symptoms: it runs progress bar until a certain position, then it is stuck, then there is disconnect after some minutes |
| 19:53.45 | RST38h | and probably does |
| 19:54.00 | RST38h | Arkenoi: How big is your calendar? |
| 19:54.07 | Lorthirk | i have problems with google too |
| 19:54.14 | Lorthirk | and other italian people i heard on a forum |
| 19:54.25 | Lorthirk | i think it's something on google's side |
| 19:54.36 | Arkenoi | not really big. contacts are quite big (you've probably noticed that) |
| 19:55.49 | Arkenoi | javis: they found a reasonable solution so i have both semi-accurate location info and my battery does not drain fast |
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| 19:56.45 | javispedro | there's not much to do here. |
| 19:56.56 | toggles_w | you can also get rough gps from the gsm modem without waking the gps, so if you don't need accuracy you can just use the towers |
| 19:57.29 | toggles_w | at least, thats how the jme worked years back |
| 19:57.34 | Arkenoi | funny thing is that if i set "district level" it still runs gps constantly even though it does not need it at all to get position that rough |
| 19:58.06 | toggles_w | yeah, shouldn't do.. but i haven't looked at the api to know |
| 19:58.14 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Well, it managed the contacts |
| 19:58.34 | RST38h | Arkenoi: On the calendar problem, I suggest you do some debugging on it and submit a bug |
| 19:58.39 | RST38h | Arkenoi: It is bugs.maemo.org |
| 19:58.47 | Arkenoi | rst38h: there is almost no fine trace :-( |
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| 19:59.01 | Arkenoi | no diagnostic messages at all |
| 19:59.01 | RST38h | Arkenoi: There is strace for N900 |
| 19:59.12 | RST38h | Arkenoi: You can get at least that |
| 19:59.37 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Also, if you start the sync process from command line, it will most likely print a few things to stdout/stderr |
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| 20:00.12 | RST38h | Arkenoi: That is the nice part about it - inside it is pretty much a generic Linux |
| 20:00.33 | Arkenoi | what is the program i need to run and parameters? |
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| 20:01.16 | RST38h | Good question, I do not know :) But let us find out |
| 20:01.51 | RST38h | btw, could you run "df" from xterm and tell how much space is left on / ? |
| 20:03.14 | Oli`` | When Maemo 6+ come out, do you think it'll be possible to upgrade the N900? |
| 20:03.19 | Arkenoi | wonders how long will it take for google to make google maps maemo port |
| 20:03.34 | Arkenoi | btw is there j2me vm for n900? |
| 20:03.34 | RST38h | Gnuite may be working on it right now =) |
| 20:03.38 | kalikianatoli | Arkenoi, try emerillon |
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| 20:04.03 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Better yet, install eCoach, it should satisfy most mapping needs, but not navigation |
| 20:04.23 | Lorthirk | Oli``: we all really hope i think :) |
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| 20:05.05 | Lorthirk | RST38h: i ran df on my device too... but i found it strange: which line should be relative to the mass storage? |
| 20:05.17 | kalikianatoli | Oli``, even if not, there will be Mer, just like it is there for the N800 now |
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| 20:06.22 | Oli`` | kalikianatoli: there'll be what? What's Mer? |
| 20:06.37 | kalikianatoli | Oli``, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 20:06.57 | kalikianatoli | basically an alternative distro for Maemo |
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| 20:07.47 | Arkenoi | rst38h: i am quite satisfied with mapping but i need latitude, that's why i am waiting for official google map application |
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| 20:08.14 | Stskeeps | pokes fleenode |
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| 20:08.19 | kalikianatoli | not yay for netsplit |
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| 20:08.36 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Let us hope it arrives... |
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| 20:08.50 | RST38h | In the meanwhile, I am trying calendar sync to see what executable you need to strace |
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| 20:10.23 | lbt | applauds RST38h |
| 20:11.01 | Lorthirk | splitty evening, huh |
| 20:14.01 | RST38h | Arkenoi: sync ran for me, did not hang |
| 20:14.13 | RST38h | Seems to do it through a dbus call |
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| 20:16.22 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Fiddle with settings a little bit, set it up as follows: |
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| 20:16.45 | Lorthirk | listens carefully |
| 20:16.58 | RST38h | Exchange server: m.google.com | Email: arkenoi@gmail.com | user: arkenoi@gmail.com | Password: <your password> |
| 20:17.15 | RST38h | Domain: <empty> | Port: 443 | Secure connection: YES |
| 20:17.40 | Lorthirk | RST38h: same username and email address? |
| 20:17.48 | RST38h | Yes |
| 20:17.51 | RST38h | It hangs if not |
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| 20:18.27 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Disable all sync except for Calendar. Make sure that your / is not 100% full. Then click on "Sync manually" and see what happens |
| 20:18.46 | Shapeshifter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:19.09 | RST38h | stopped believing the forums about 1 month ago |
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| 20:19.20 | __jack1010 | i get "no hash entry in release file" when i try to add the extras-devel repositories. is that correct ? |
| 20:19.22 | RST38h | Ah here he is! |
| 20:19.35 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: There he *was* |
| 20:19.42 | RST38h | He knew what was coming... |
| 20:20.35 | Lorthirk | RST38h: you mean for first sync? |
| 20:20.44 | Lorthirk | i should only check calendar? |
| 20:20.46 | RST38h | For all syncs, afaik |
| 20:21.01 | Arkenoi | rst38: done exactly that, will try again now |
| 20:21.02 | RST38h | You should only check Calendar because this is what I have done and it worked. Have not tested the rest. |
| 20:21.17 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Notice the username - it has to be the same as email address, with @gmail.com |
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| 20:21.33 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I made this mistake first and it hung, then timed out after a few minutes |
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| 20:21.52 | Lorthirk | RST38h: i did that too, let me check now with full username |
| 20:22.26 | Arkenoi | yep, it was the same i am pretty sure |
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| 20:24.34 | Arkenoi | same thing - progress bar goes to almost 100% and sticks there :-( |
| 20:24.43 | RST38h | wait then |
| 20:24.49 | Arkenoi | i set conflict resolution to "device has priority" |
| 20:25.24 | RST38h | change to server has priority |
| 20:26.07 | Arkenoi | i am afraid it will damage my local data |
| 20:26.29 | Arkenoi | well, will try anyways. |
| 20:26.31 | pupnik | http://www.slate.com/id/2236146/pagenum/all/ The REAL Price of Trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed |
| 20:26.43 | RST38h | back it up :) |
| 20:26.46 | AakashPatel | Oh god he's everywehre |
| 20:27.22 | pupnik | the price of this trial is that the us governmewnt can torture you and then use the confessions in your trial. Goodbye civlization. |
| 20:27.35 | pupnik | was fun |
| 20:27.39 | Arkenoi | "Exchange server is not responding" |
| 20:27.58 | Arkenoi | well, will back up the calendar and try "server has priority" now |
| 20:28.02 | RST38h | pupnik: What if he gets BAD defense attorneys? |
| 20:29.01 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I greatly suspect you are doing something wrong |
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| 20:30.08 | RST38h | Arkenoi: are you firewalled by any chance? Is port 443 open? |
| 20:30.15 | Arkenoi | sure yes |
| 20:30.30 | Arkenoi | and it works until progress bar reaches almost 100% |
| 20:30.34 | crashanddie__ | Arkenoi, which options did you select? |
| 20:30.45 | crashanddie__ | Arkenoi, email as well as contacts and calendar? |
| 20:30.45 | Arkenoi | no error diagnostics until then |
| 20:30.50 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Would you try this over GPRS? |
| 20:30.58 | Arkenoi | nope, just calendar this time |
| 20:30.59 | Lorthirk | well, RST38h and Arkenoi, i'm pleased to announce that it worked for me |
| 20:31.08 | Arkenoi | ok, will try |
| 20:31.09 | Lorthirk | synced contacts, mails and calendar |
| 20:31.14 | RST38h | It worked for me as well, after the first try |
| 20:31.19 | mece | pupnik: who cares about KSM when katee sackhoff was in the latest tbbt! |
| 20:31.34 | Arkenoi | changing conflict resolution did not help |
| 20:31.46 | RST38h | Weird |
| 20:31.53 | __jack1010 | This all only applies to EX2007 right ? Still no fix for EX2003 initial sync ? |
| 20:32.03 | crashanddie__ | __jack1010, correct |
| 20:32.08 | Arkenoi | maybe there is something in my calendar that google does not like :-( |
| 20:32.22 | crashanddie__ | Arkenoi, which software version are you running? |
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| 20:34.02 | __jack1010 | i'm trying to add extras-devel, but got a 'no hash entry in release file' error. |
| 20:34.17 | Arkenoi | 42-11 |
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| 20:35.24 | Lorthirk | i think, however, that a dedicated app for google calendar should be useful |
| 20:35.33 | Lorthirk | with multiple calendars sync and so on |
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| 20:36.58 | KenYoung | Can anyone point me to a page giving instructions on how to configure an N900 so that one may remotely log INTO it from another machine, using ssh? |
| 20:38.23 | Lorthirk | KenYoung: i think you just need openssh server |
| 20:38.32 | Klowner | KenYoung: install openssh-server I would assume |
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| 20:40.56 | Lorthirk | wow, i gave the correct answer! :D |
| 20:41.15 | qwerty12_N900 | ~fine Lorthirk |
| 20:41.16 | infobot | ACTION requires Lorthirk to provide everyone else in the channel with fresh triple fudge brownies |
| 20:41.18 | Klowner | Lorthirk: are you right? :) |
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| 20:41.53 | Lorthirk | well i told the same thing you did |
| 20:42.00 | Klowner | we could both be equally wrong |
| 20:42.01 | Lorthirk | and yes, i'm heading over the kitchen |
| 20:42.02 | crashanddie__ | KenYoung, You've got two options, dropbear or openssh. Dropbear is more a lightweight, embedded device-oriented SSH server |
| 20:42.15 | KenYoung | Lorthirk, I've installed openssh server and client, does that mean anyone who happens to know the IP address of my phone can log in as the default user? |
| 20:42.55 | Lorthirk | well, if on n900 there's a default user/pass combination, then yes |
| 20:43.05 | crashanddie__ | KenYoung, http://wiki.maemo.org/SSH |
| 20:43.12 | Lorthirk | (i don't if there's any, like mobile/alpine on iphone) |
| 20:43.15 | KenYoung | crashanddie__, Yeah, I went with openssh, because dropbear doesn't support X11 forwarding (at least the last time I tried it). |
| 20:43.38 | crashanddie__ | KenYoung, I didn't get X11 forwarding to work on the N900 using openssh either |
| 20:43.39 | Arkenoi | now trying over gprs, exactly the same thing |
| 20:43.52 | mece | you can just add a user if you want.. |
| 20:44.38 | crashanddie__ | Lorthirk, username "user", no password set, same for root |
| 20:44.51 | crashanddie__ | Lorthirk, thus, you can't login unless you specifically set a password for either |
| 20:45.11 | crashanddie__ | or what mece said |
| 20:45.16 | Lorthirk | ok |
| 20:45.30 | Lorthirk | i see on wiki that there's some rsa magick you can use too... |
| 20:45.30 | Lorthirk | well |
| 20:45.31 | kalikianatoli | Hm.... "Package libsoup2.4-1 provides binary package libsoup2.4-1 which is also available on the device" |
| 20:45.37 | kalikianatoli | Seems I'm screwed |
| 20:45.50 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikianatoli: Ooh, this Midori? |
| 20:46.08 | kalikianatoli | qwerty12_N900, It should be, if I overcome the build failure :) |
| 20:46.12 | Lorthirk | since i have to wake up tomorrow, i'm wishing you goodnigh (or good-whatever-you-want according to your timezone) |
| 20:46.14 | Lorthirk | see you :) |
| 20:46.19 | crashanddie__ | Lorthirk, certs are highly not-magic ;) |
| 20:46.20 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikianatoli: Heh, nice :) |
| 20:46.37 | crashanddie__ | Lorthirk, and highly non-RSA as well |
| 20:46.50 | kalikianatoli | qwerty12_N900, any idea if/ how I can solve this conflict? it seems unlike dpkg, the bot doesn't want to update libsoup |
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| 20:47.12 | crashanddie__ | kalikianatoli, try libvegetables instead? |
| 20:47.31 | Lorthirk | Back on the remote *NIX computer run the following command: |
| 20:47.31 | Lorthirk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.38 | Lorthirk | i was talking about this, basically :) |
| 20:47.44 | kalikianatoli | crashanddie__, but then the filenames will conflict |
| 20:47.48 | Lorthirk | see you tomorrow guys |
| 20:48.28 | crashanddie__ | I may have grown up with technology |
| 20:48.48 | crashanddie__ | but the other day I discovered my ps3 booted up when you turned on one of the controllers |
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| 20:48.52 | crashanddie__ | and was the happiest kid in the block |
| 20:48.55 | qwerty12_N900 | kalikianatoli: No idea, sorry |
| 20:49.10 | qwerty12_N900 | Looks like this is one of X-Fade's own checks :) |
| 20:50.29 | qwerty12_N900 | Which makes sense, actually, if you read the last parts of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32734 |
| 20:51.00 | Arkenoi | there is one s60 application i miss on maemo, spb brain evolution |
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| 20:51.39 | Khertan | Hi again ... |
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| 20:51.59 | Khertan | How did you do to promote packages from extras-devel to testing ? |
| 20:52.07 | Khertan | is there only the web interface ? |
| 20:52.23 | kalikianatoli | qwerty12_N900, Thanks. I suppose there is a point |
| 20:53.33 | jhford | is there a facility similar to ps -eo args,rss on maemo? |
| 20:53.45 | jhford | is trying to figure out RSS of a running process |
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| 20:56.43 | Khertan | is trying to use maemo.org/packages ... it s slow ... php 30s execution limit ... yeah ... |
| 20:57.16 | Khertan | how can we expect users to votes for applications with a so slow thigns |
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| 20:59.51 | hexa | jhford, try cat /proc/<pid>/status ? |
| 21:00.09 | jhford | hexa: thanks :) |
| 21:00.19 | Khertan | will create his own repository ... will be easiest for everyone ! |
| 21:01.26 | madmikeuk | i will probably get shot for asking, but is this supposed mic problem widespread or fairly isolated? |
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| 21:02.06 | crashanddie__ | madmikeuk, I think you should rename to "mad-mic-uk" |
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| 21:02.18 | crashanddie__ | madmikeuk, the mic issue seems to come from a batch delivered to the UK |
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| 21:02.46 | julianoliver | madmikeuk: mine is fine. |
| 21:02.49 | mece | how many have actually reported it? |
| 21:02.49 | madmikeuk | have to hope the one i get wasn't in the dodgy batch then |
| 21:03.00 | madmikeuk | i'm not sure, hence the asking |
| 21:03.17 | mece | I just saw that nuknuk on tmo had the problem. The only one I know of. |
| 21:03.32 | mece | haven't been following today though. |
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| 21:03.43 | madmikeuk | it's hard to differentiate between a majority and a vocal minority |
| 21:04.08 | mece | precisely. I'm thinking it's one or two devices. |
| 21:04.12 | qwerty12_N900 | Will this become the next epidemic, like H1N1? |
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| 21:05.13 | madmikeuk | problems i've seen so far are serveral reporting mic failures, some reports of spontanous power cycling and a DOA screen |
| 21:05.46 | madmikeuk | main reason the mic and reboot threads are so massive is because the same people are reiterating their problems though |
| 21:06.24 | javispedro | and it doesn't scroll smootly! |
| 21:06.38 | suihkulokki | is begining to wonder what is the value of tmo.. |
| 21:06.52 | SpeedEvil | 42 |
| 21:06.56 | Khertan | Error 500 maemo.org Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:06:37 +0200 Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch13 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Midgard/8.09.4 |
| 21:06.56 | Stskeeps | in advertisment? probably a lot :P |
| 21:06.59 | Khertan | grrrr |
| 21:07.01 | javispedro | I have to wonder.. |
| 21:07.15 | mece | Shit! Ronnie James Dio has stomach cancer! |
| 21:07.22 | madmikeuk | if i'm honest, the browser isn't the biggest draw for me |
| 21:07.24 | julianoliver | javispedro: seems to be ok here, though apparently a firmware upgrade improves things. |
| 21:07.28 | mece | err. sorry wrong window. |
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| 21:08.11 | julianoliver | scrolling seems smoother than on Android devices i've seen, admittedly only HTC's offerings. |
| 21:08.55 | julianoliver | iPhone has smoother scrolling indeed, however browser and media playback seems much better on the N900. |
| 21:09.22 | javispedro | I was being ironic, what do you think I am, a stereotypical tmo poster? |
| 21:09.26 | javispedro | ;) |
| 21:09.56 | qwerty12_N900 | Wow. You just took the words right out of my mouth |
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| 21:10.06 | admiral0 | hi |
| 21:10.13 | madmikeuk | hello. |
| 21:10.17 | julianoliver | seems i dropped in a little late. i'll pull down my Literal Reading Fader. |
| 21:10.39 | admiral0 | is the n900 kernel entirely open? |
| 21:10.50 | mece | hehehe sarcasm translates poorly sometimes :) |
| 21:10.57 | Stskeeps | admiral0: yes |
| 21:11.05 | julianoliver | mece: no, really? |
| 21:11.07 | RST38h | translates well with cackling |
| 21:11.11 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
| 21:11.18 | madmikeuk | ianal, but it'd be illegal not to iirc |
| 21:11.19 | admiral0 | where can i find sources?(no debsrc please) |
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| 21:11.50 | madmikeuk | though i'd imagine a few of the kmods are closed |
| 21:11.54 | Stskeeps | admiral0: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 , package is 'kernel' |
| 21:12.00 | Stskeeps | no, they're all open, afaik |
| 21:12.09 | madmikeuk | interesting |
| 21:12.13 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 21:12.18 | mece | Julianoliver: case and point |
| 21:12.28 | javispedro | Since Qgil said that maemo.org is the place "for those willing to get involved in an open source community way", |
| 21:12.36 | madmikeuk | you know, i'm sure i've heard of you before stskeeps |
| 21:12.37 | julianoliver | mece: ;) |
| 21:12.40 | javispedro | can we dump everyone on those tmo threads already? :) |
| 21:12.43 | madmikeuk | but not around maemo |
| 21:12.44 | pwannell | madmikeuk could i ask what serial number ur phone is on? |
| 21:12.54 | madmikeuk | i've not got mine yet. |
| 21:12.59 | pwannell | agh ok |
| 21:13.15 | admiral0 | Stskeeps:no other source, i just hate unpacking debs |
| 21:13.18 | mece | pwannell: trying to find a pattern? |
| 21:13.19 | admiral0 | ? |
| 21:13.28 | Stskeeps | admiral0: it's .dsc, .diff.gz and .tar.gz |
| 21:13.31 | pwannell | julianoliver could i please ask what ur serial number is on n900 to find out if there is pattern with serials |
| 21:13.34 | Stskeeps | how difficult can it be? :P |
| 21:13.44 | pwannell | yes mece :) |
| 21:13.46 | Stskeeps | madmikeuk: if it is anything to deal with IRCd, it wasn't me |
| 21:13.53 | RST38h | javispedro: dump'em where? |
| 21:13.53 | admiral0 | i am a more minimalist guy : tar.gz is the way |
| 21:14.01 | javispedro | RST38h: Ovi. |
| 21:14.01 | madmikeuk | hahaha, just a name coincidence then? |
| 21:14.05 | admiral0 | kiss principle :P |
| 21:14.16 | javispedro | let's create a brainstorm item for "Ovi Talk" |
| 21:14.33 | mece | aahaha! |
| 21:14.42 | RST38h | javispedro: can we use large bodies of water instead? |
| 21:14.42 | madmikeuk | nokia messenger uses telepathy, right? |
| 21:14.48 | archebyte | I thought its the kernel modules that are closed. |
| 21:14.55 | javispedro | since Ovi is "the face for "everybody" (default destination)" |
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| 21:15.09 | admiral0 | madmikeuk, yep and i saw python sucking 30%+ CPU |
| 21:15.17 | Stskeeps | archebyte: no, kernel is fully open as far as i can tell |
| 21:15.18 | archebyte | Like g_nokia.. |
| 21:15.34 | admiral0 | other 35% was sucked by pulseaudio |
| 21:15.48 | admiral0 | and then choppy audio -.- |
| 21:15.54 | mece | yeah pulseaudio hogs like crazy |
| 21:16.03 | mece | 35% is not cool for mp3 playback imo. |
| 21:16.04 | qwerty12_N900 | archebyte: http://gitorious.org/usb/usb/commit/06b7c22af0c49db1ed487617eb797d9fdd6bf38a |
| 21:16.11 | admiral0 | not for mp3 |
| 21:16.19 | admiral0 | for talking fin skype |
| 21:16.20 | mece | admiral0: for what then? |
| 21:16.22 | mece | k. |
| 21:16.23 | SpeedEvil | Is this 35% at 100% CPU speed though |
| 21:16.33 | SpeedEvil | Or is it 35% clocked down to xMHz |
| 21:16.34 | madmikeuk | gtalk call? |
| 21:16.38 | madmikeuk | oh skype |
| 21:16.40 | madmikeuk | close. |
| 21:16.41 | admiral0 | never tried |
| 21:16.44 | mece | is 600Mhz full speed? |
| 21:16.50 | madmikeuk | iirc |
| 21:16.58 | archebyte | @Qwerty @stskeeps tks. Checking it out.. |
| 21:17.01 | javispedro | #include "composite.c" aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 21:17.15 | admiral0 | SpeedEvil, doesn't count, as long as you get crappy audio |
| 21:17.45 | archebyte | Thats cool to know its fully open.. |
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| 21:17.52 | julianoliver | pwannell: i have the box here.. i don't see an SN/ but rather the IMEI. |
| 21:17.57 | archebyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:18.09 | pwannell | same thing mate |
| 21:18.10 | pwannell | :S |
| 21:18.16 | julianoliver | thought so.. |
| 21:18.25 | AakashPatel | watches the maemo sdk install |
| 21:18.27 | AakashPatel | :0 |
| 21:18.30 | pwannell | obv only if u wanna disclose |
| 21:18.42 | julianoliver | will pm |
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| 21:20.00 | pwannell | ok |
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| 21:21.09 | madmikeuk | n900 owners: how's the audio quality through the 3.5mm? |
| 21:21.16 | julianoliver | madmikeuk: incredible. |
| 21:21.21 | mece | here's what was said regarding pulse: |
| 21:21.21 | mece | lardman: mece1: between them, mafw-dbus-* and pulseaudio use ~20-25% CPU |
| 21:21.21 | mece | lardman: hmm is at 600MHz anyway |
| 21:21.22 | julianoliver | it has a brilliant preamp |
| 21:21.24 | Khertan | madmikeuk: Incredibly good |
| 21:21.27 | Klowner | attacks julianoliver and takes his n900 |
| 21:21.33 | madmikeuk | fantastic |
| 21:21.47 | lbt | pretty good - not loud |
| 21:21.52 | julianoliver | no it's really a new thing coming out of any device this size. you can safely believe the reviews. |
| 21:22.01 | madmikeuk | can't wait to replace my tired out n73 and it's annoying nonstandard pop-port |
| 21:22.02 | Khertan | but ... the default in ear headset have a low sound level on the right |
| 21:22.03 | pwannell | np with pm julianoliver |
| 21:22.21 | madmikeuk | lbt: judging by my experience, that's generally true of most nokia phones |
| 21:22.21 | lbt | Khertan: wash that ear... |
| 21:22.25 | frals | 9 pages of unread topics on talk.. whats the chance i missed anything useful while drowning in java? :P |
| 21:22.31 | julianoliver | madmikeuk: the headphones it ships with are really quite good also. great low end response. |
| 21:22.32 | Khertan | but with my seinheiser headset the sound is clear ... |
| 21:22.36 | Khertan | good ... |
| 21:22.46 | julianoliver | pwannell: i just did |
| 21:22.48 | Khertan | and can be loud |
| 21:23.23 | madmikeuk | can you give it a bit of a boost through alsamixer anyhow? |
| 21:23.26 | Khertan | it s a good headset ... and i never get a so good sound with it with many other device. |
| 21:23.44 | julianoliver | madmikeuk: overall the media handling and reproduction is really good. video looks really impressive. |
| 21:23.46 | Arkenoi | and sure after failed sync attempt i got tons of duplicate addressbook entries |
| 21:23.59 | Arkenoi | i was almost sure that will happen |
| 21:24.09 | RST38h | why did you let it sync address book? |
| 21:24.33 | xorAxAx | is the maps app on n900 better than the one on n810? |
| 21:24.40 | xorAxAx | does it have as much maps? |
| 21:24.41 | madmikeuk | i'm not going to bother trying to sync my IMAP inbox, i'm horrible at mantaining things |
| 21:24.43 | RST38h | but, as you have done it already, try syncing calendar or address book separately |
| 21:24.45 | xorAxAx | i read that it is quite slow |
| 21:24.49 | RST38h | see which one hangs |
| 21:25.02 | madmikeuk | long story short: most desktop clients hang trying to download my headers |
| 21:25.22 | pupnik | if we could only have ease of python and speed of c |
| 21:25.24 | pupnik | can we compile python to c-hildon? |
| 21:25.38 | julianoliver | pupnik: py++ or pypy may save us there. |
| 21:25.59 | julianoliver | xorAxAx: i think the maps application is a weak point. |
| 21:26.01 | xorAxAx | pypy does not compile python to C |
| 21:26.16 | madmikeuk | pypy is a python interpreter in python. |
| 21:26.21 | xorAxAx | julianoliver: is it really worse? |
| 21:26.39 | julianoliver | xorAxAx: i don't know, i never played with the 810. |
| 21:26.43 | pupnik | what else could be done to translate to natice hildon programmatically. |
| 21:26.55 | madmikeuk | c++ module? |
| 21:27.06 | xorAxAx | julianoliver: it was smooth, the app. and it could locate addresses |
| 21:27.30 | pupnik | hmm how madmikeuk |
| 21:27.31 | bitcrusher | how does one catch the input from touching the screen in python/pygame on the N900? any code examples? |
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| 21:28.02 | Arkenoi | rst38h: that was before i tried to sync calendar |
| 21:28.07 | julianoliver | xorAxAx: madmikeuk you're right. i mixed it up with another py++ like project. i don't recall it's name. |
| 21:28.14 | Arkenoi | both do. |
| 21:28.22 | RST38h | oh |
| 21:28.28 | madmikeuk | pupnik: i don't write C++ modules for python my self, but pygtk and pygobject are both c++ modules |
| 21:28.28 | xorAxAx | but pypy has a jit |
| 21:28.30 | xorAxAx | which is becoming faster every 2-3 weeks |
| 21:28.36 | sjaensch | bitcrusher: I have no experience with pygame, but usually touching the screen equals mouse click |
| 21:28.48 | madmikeuk | sorry, that was directed at julianoliver |
| 21:28.57 | bitcrusher | sounds logical |
| 21:30.13 | julianoliver | madmikeuk: i've only played around with JIT compilers like Psyco and at one point PyPy, if i remember correctly. |
| 21:30.31 | madmikeuk | anyway, since hildon is an extension of gtk, i'd imagine you could base it on pygtk |
| 21:31.00 | xorAxAx | julianoliver: so, is the mapping app on n900 usable? |
| 21:31.04 | julianoliver | madmikeuk: Psyco is good for speeding up big iterations and number crunching. |
| 21:31.05 | madmikeuk | julianoliver: not played with pypy myself, but i've tried psyco and unladen swallow |
| 21:31.28 | xorAxAx | unladen swallow is much slower than pypy's jit currently (see morepypy.blogspot.com ) |
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| 21:32.06 | julianoliver | xorAxAx: i was in Amsterdam a few days ago, trying to use it, and gave up after a few minutes. it was far too slow, at least over Vodafone's internet offering. |
| 21:32.07 | madmikeuk | the jit is pretty slow, i tried running the django test server as a test |
| 21:32.25 | madmikeuk | took about 3-4 minutes to load up |
| 21:32.40 | madmikeuk | using -j always |
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| 21:33.07 | madmikeuk | once it cached the code it was pretty fast though |
| 21:33.18 | xorAxAx | julianoliver: it cannot download the map data at once? |
| 21:33.18 | julianoliver | yeah. makes sense. |
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| 21:33.43 | xorAxAx | in the n810 app, you can download map data for regions |
| 21:33.46 | julianoliver | xorAxAx: i just remember searching and scrolling/zooming being relatively useless. |
| 21:33.47 | xorAxAx | and then you have it locally |
| 21:33.58 | xorAxAx | can somebody confirm this? |
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| 21:34.10 | xorAxAx | i dont want to have internet enabled for mapping |
| 21:34.11 | julianoliver | xorAxAx: i think it's early days yet. i feel it's very beta. |
| 21:34.55 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: do you know if the mapping app can download the mapdata in advance? |
| 21:34.56 | madmikeuk | xorAxAx: from what i've heard (not first time) it's very hard to get a lock on without a-gps |
| 21:35.06 | madmikeuk | *not first hand |
| 21:35.09 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: maemo mapper |
| 21:35.18 | julianoliver | yes getting that GPS lock took a long time also. perhaps a minute or two. |
| 21:35.20 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: no, not maemo mapper :) |
| 21:35.23 | timeless_mbp | or ovi maps using the Windows Nokia Map Downloader |
| 21:35.31 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: ovi maps |
| 21:35.36 | timeless_mbp | ^^ |
| 21:35.48 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: so there is a way to get offline map data? |
| 21:35.48 | timeless_mbp | i should say "in theory" |
| 21:35.51 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 21:35.55 | timeless_mbp | a number of ways |
| 21:36.03 | timeless_mbp | the device comes w/ data pre cached for your region |
| 21:36.07 | xorAxAx | none of them official? :) |
| 21:36.18 | timeless_mbp | e.g. a USA purchased device comes with maps for the whole USA |
| 21:36.30 | timeless_mbp | <timeless_mbp 1 minute ago> or ovi maps using the Windows Nokia Map Downloader |
| 21:36.42 | timeless_mbp | that's the official way |
| 21:36.53 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 21:37.03 | timeless_mbp | do me a favor and actually read all of what i write, don't be selective |
| 21:37.44 | ShadowJK | looks like my operator is getting 3G to me before Nokia is delivering N900 to me :-) |
| 21:38.03 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: i read that, you didnt say that it is official, before |
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| 21:38.21 | madmikeuk | is voda uk's 3g net limited to 7.2mbps? |
| 21:38.25 | ShadowJK | the glorious 3G, my E75's 1000mAh battery lasted 6 hours today.. |
| 21:38.47 | ShadowJK | refreshes mugen power website hoping for batteries |
| 21:39.46 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: do you like the n810 maps app or the n900 ovi one better? |
| 21:40.01 | timeless_mbp | the n810 app |
| 21:40.05 | xorAxAx | why? |
| 21:40.08 | julianoliver | thinks sb-conf select is pretty nifty. |
| 21:40.18 | timeless_mbp | because it doesn't negatively affect the browser |
| 21:40.32 | xorAxAx | how is the browser affected? |
| 21:40.43 | timeless_mbp | the ovi maps app is built around the browser |
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| 21:40.45 | KenYoung | Is there anyone online who can successfully ssh into their N900 from another machine, and who has time to answer a few questions? |
| 21:40.54 | kalikianatoli | yes |
| 21:40.58 | timeless_mbp | and the idiots who wrote a piece of it used an ancient obsolete api |
| 21:41.18 | timeless_mbp | (one that had been deprecated for roughly 5 years) |
| 21:41.24 | KenYoung | kalikianatoli, Was that yes directed to me? |
| 21:41.32 | kalikianatoli | KenYoung, yes :) |
| 21:41.44 | timeless_mbp | because of that, the browser team couldn't update the browser for some service release |
| 21:42.04 | timeless_mbp | because the updated browser dropped the api they should never have used |
| 21:42.08 | xorAxAx | how have they solved it nowadays? do they still ship an old browser? |
| 21:42.15 | timeless_mbp | ayup |
| 21:42.17 | timeless_mbp | they=we |
| 21:42.32 | KenYoung | kalikianatoli, Thanks! I've installed openssh server & client, but I cannot log in from a remote machine using either ssh user@{device IP} or ssh root@{device IP}. |
| 21:42.33 | xorAxAx | and which one do you like better from a user POV? |
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| 21:43.02 | madmikeuk | does fennec have flash on the n900? |
| 21:43.04 | julianoliver | KenYoung: it works fine here. can you ping it? |
| 21:43.12 | timeless_mbp | madmikeuk: define 'have' |
| 21:43.17 | timeless_mbp | fennec can 'use' system flash |
| 21:43.19 | KenYoung | kalikianatoli, Do I need to do something like modify /etc/ssh/ssh_config to enable remote logings. I can see ssh -D is running. |
| 21:43.22 | timeless_mbp | but the perf last i heard sucked |
| 21:43.24 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: see above |
| 21:43.29 | madmikeuk | usable in browser |
| 21:43.30 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: i'm thinking |
| 21:43.35 | madmikeuk | righto. |
| 21:43.54 | kalikianatoli | KenYoung, no. it should just work |
| 21:44.00 | KenYoung | julianoliver, I can't even ping it. Another strange thing is that the IP address reported by ifconfig does not seem to be correct. |
| 21:44.01 | timeless_mbp | (actually, i'm watching blade) |
| 21:44.29 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: so, the n810 maps app let you buy navigation |
| 21:44.30 | kalikianatoli | KenYoung, install the IP desktop widget :-) |
| 21:44.33 | KenYoung | kalikianatoli, I suspect ifconfig gives me the wrong IP address, is there a better way to find my IP address? |
| 21:44.47 | timeless_mbp | if you want navigation, then of the two, only that one had it |
| 21:44.57 | kalikianatoli | KenYoung, Yes, I am reading your mind :-) |
| 21:45.09 | xorAxAx | oh, i though the n900 ovi one would have navigation |
| 21:45.18 | timeless_mbp | was it listed on the box? |
| 21:45.19 | julianoliver | KenYoung: i doubt ifconfig is giving you the wrong address. are you sure? |
| 21:45.25 | ShadowJK | nope, it wasn't listed :) |
| 21:45.27 | KenYoung | kalikianatoli, Where does one find the IP desktop widget? |
| 21:45.29 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: ovi maps can give you directions |
| 21:45.37 | timeless_mbp | but that's not the same as navation |
| 21:45.41 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: isnt that like navigation? |
| 21:45.58 | xorAxAx | it cant match the way points with your current position? |
| 21:46.02 | timeless_mbp | "like", yes, but *NOT REALLY* |
| 21:46.11 | kalikianatoli | KenYoung, Should be in the Desktop category |
| 21:46.11 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't say "turn right *NOW*" |
| 21:46.13 | julianoliver | KenYoung: on the remote box type 'nmap -sP 192.168.1.*' and look for it. (assuming you're on a 192.168.1.255 nework. |
| 21:46.16 | timeless_mbp | or "turn in 5m" |
| 21:46.22 | xorAxAx | but? :) |
| 21:46.43 | ShadowJK | Somehow I get the idea this whole ovi maps thing is a bad idea, I hope Nokia Maps doesn't die :) |
| 21:46.48 | KenYoung | julianoliver, It sure looks like it's giving me the wrong address. When I go to a webstire that will report my IP to me, if gives a different number, and when I do a client ssh from my N900 to another machine, the remote machine reports my IP to be different than what ifconfig gives me. |
| 21:47.08 | xorAxAx | KenYoung: sounds like multiple IP disorder |
| 21:47.14 | julianoliver | KenYoung: a website will give you an external, internet-side address. |
| 21:47.15 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: nokia maps is dead |
| 21:47.18 | julianoliver | xorAxAx: hehe |
| 21:47.26 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, aw :( |
| 21:47.36 | ShadowJK | xorAxAx, or then he's behind NAT |
| 21:47.41 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: roughly, ovi is just branding |
| 21:47.45 | xorAxAx | is there a maemo mapper for maemo 5? |
| 21:47.50 | KenYoung | julianoliver, But that's what I want in order to use a desktop machine to log into the N900, isn't it? |
| 21:47.59 | timeless_mbp | but it's basically Nokia Foo v. N + 1 = Ovi Foo v1 |
| 21:48.13 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: afaiu maemo-mapper is open source |
| 21:48.24 | timeless_mbp | you can in theory build it for n900, i suppose |
| 21:48.30 | ShadowJK | Ah so it's just that the new version is more of a rewrite for the worse then :) |
| 21:48.41 | julianoliver | KenYoung: is the N900 NAT'd? |
| 21:48.50 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: dunno, did nokia maps ever have useful navigation support? |
| 21:48.56 | ShadowJK | timeless, yep |
| 21:48.58 | timeless_mbp | at one point nokia shipped "Route 66" (?) |
| 21:49.02 | timeless_mbp | which i heard was pretty good |
| 21:49.07 | KenYoung | julianoliver, I'm afraid I don't even know what that means. |
| 21:49.08 | timeless_mbp | iirc people complained about the replacement |
| 21:49.13 | timeless_mbp | (nokia maps) |
| 21:49.17 | julianoliver | KenYoung: ok. if the N900 and the Desktop machine are on the LAN then ssh should work fine. |
| 21:49.33 | julianoliver | KenYoung: try pinging it from the desktop machine |
| 21:50.02 | KenYoung | julianoliver, No, my N900 is going over the GSM 3G network. Does that make remote logins impossible? |
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| 21:50.20 | julianoliver | KenYoung: ahh.. that's another kettle of fish altogether. |
| 21:50.26 | julianoliver | yes, that may be very tricky. |
| 21:50.27 | timeless_mbp | anyway, ovi maps is getting better |
| 21:50.35 | timeless_mbp | the versions i've seen internally are better than what's in sales |
| 21:50.45 | ShadowJK | timeless, what's better, Wayfinder had the address wrong Nokia Maps had the address wrong, but in the other direction. So, if I wanted to go to BlehRoad 300, when Nokia Maps said 250 and Wayfinder said 350, I knew I was close :-) |
| 21:50.48 | KenYoung | julianoliver, OK, maybe that's my problem. Perhaps T-mobile blocks that. |
| 21:50.51 | crashanddie__ | KenYoung, most 3G signals give you a NAT'd address which isn't routed publicly |
| 21:51.03 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: heh |
| 21:51.07 | julianoliver | KenYoung: highly likely it's NAT'd to hell. |
| 21:51.24 | crashanddie__ | KenYoung, get your IP address and attempt a ping from your laptop, you'll know immediately |
| 21:51.32 | julianoliver | KenYoung: NAT == Network Address Translation |
| 21:51.37 | KenYoung | crashanddie__, julianoliver Thanks, I guess I'll try to go over a LAN then. |
| 21:51.44 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, it's pretty funny too, considering that 300 == 3000m from start of road. You'd think they'd be able to measure that better, or atleast with better consistency :) |
| 21:51.44 | Proteous | you can remote login if you use a reverse connection |
| 21:52.11 | julianoliver | KenYoung: proteus has a good point. |
| 21:52.11 | KenYoung | crashanddie__, I did get my IP address that way, and I did ping. No joy. So it probably is blocked by the phone company. |
| 21:52.33 | Proteous | have the client on your phone call out the server |
| 21:52.42 | KenYoung | Proteous, How do you do a revers connection? |
| 21:52.45 | Proteous | I've only done it with VNC |
| 21:53.23 | ShadowJK | Nokia Maps was slow on my old E70, and it ate all RAM. It's smooth on my E75, and the E75 isn't as memory starved.. |
| 21:53.27 | Proteous | you can set the client up in listen mode then have the server connect to it |
| 21:53.28 | KenYoung | Proteous, client ssh from my N900 to my desktop works like a champ, but I have no idea how to reverse that. |
| 21:53.46 | Proteous | KenYoung, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 21:54.55 | KenYoung | Proteous, I want to be able to log into my N900 from a desktop machine, get a shell on my N900, forward X11 to my desktop, and run code on the N900 using my nice desktop keyboard and big display. |
| 21:55.29 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: there are ~4 sources for data/maps |
| 21:55.31 | timeless_mbp | ime they all suck |
| 21:55.44 | timeless_mbp | but i had a similar experience w/ nokia maps v. wayfinder here in finland |
| 21:56.00 | timeless_mbp | (n81 8g v. n800) |
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| 21:56.54 | Dantonic | I just got off the phone with a customer service rep from amazon about the N900. long conversation, I was asking about the details or re-ordering, he couldnt understand what I was asking... finally I said ok nevermind everything I've asked, it's not worth it. I said goodbye and closed my phone and started swearing "F***ING WORTHLESS!!" a few times... 20 seconds later he's like: "Sir I think you left the line open could you end the cal |
| 21:56.54 | Dantonic | l..." ROFL |
| 21:57.10 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 21:57.13 | Dantonic | ROFL |
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| 21:57.25 | madmikeuk | nice. |
| 21:57.27 | bitcrusher | hahaha! |
| 21:57.29 | timeless_mbp | Dantonic: oops |
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| 21:57.35 | Dantonic | I guess when I'm on speaker phone my current phone doesnt hang up when closed |
| 21:57.38 | Dantonic | its' a clamsheel |
| 21:57.41 | Dantonic | clamshell* |
| 21:57.50 | timeless_mbp | that's actually fairly useful behavior fwiw |
| 21:57.59 | Dantonic | yeah |
| 21:57.59 | timeless_mbp | you don't really want to drop the call w/ that clamshell |
| 21:58.01 | Dantonic | just havent used it much |
| 21:58.21 | Dantonic | omg I'm still laughing |
| 21:58.22 | ShadowJK | my last clamshell had this annoying behaviour of closing IRC when I closed clamshell :-( |
| 21:58.26 | Dantonic | how embarassing |
| 21:58.28 | ShadowJK | but it still fit well in pocket when open |
| 21:58.35 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: anyway, i personally would use google maps in the browser |
| 21:58.50 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: hmm, but i dont have a flatrate |
| 21:58.50 | timeless_mbp | but it'd be bad for people to think i really dislike the ovi maps app |
| 21:59.02 | ShadowJK | it'd be kinda useable if the google maps would be cached |
| 21:59.11 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: it should be cachable |
| 21:59.24 | ShadowJK | timeless, the data maybe but probably not the roundtrip? |
| 21:59.26 | timeless_mbp | you have to enable disk cache (it's off by default but you can configure it) |
| 21:59.31 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: right |
| 21:59.38 | madmikeuk | xorAxAx: apparently gps can't lock on well without pulling down the AGPS directory over the net anyway |
| 21:59.42 | timeless_mbp | well, which roundtrip? |
| 21:59.58 | timeless_mbp | yeah, you're generally going to want to use AGPS |
| 22:00.06 | timeless_mbp | which involves doing a network lookup to ovi servers |
| 22:00.24 | timeless_mbp | that part shouldn't be *too* expensive |
| 22:00.37 | timeless_mbp | however *something* in my 3 week trip through eastern europe was *very* expensive |
| 22:00.49 | timeless_mbp | i'm not quite sure what but my bill was obscene |
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| 22:01.07 | timeless_mbp | my bet is that it was being in Ukraine (which isn't an EU member) |
| 22:01.22 | mikec | timeless_mbp:that would be the blond one |
| 22:02.17 | Khertan | timeless_mbp: come in france ... where isp block agps data with their stupid proxy |
| 22:02.26 | Khertan | you ll not get overpriced bill |
| 22:02.33 | Khertan | but you ll be lost |
| 22:02.34 | timeless_mbp | Khertan: been there, had no problems |
| 22:02.52 | Khertan | yep right ... depends on isp |
| 22:03.05 | Khertan | some allow it |
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| 22:03.19 | Khertan | but it s really high priced contract |
| 22:04.37 | ShadowJK | timeless, this is cool, it's actually getting cached by the browser |
| 22:04.47 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: did you enable disk cache? |
| 22:04.55 | mikec | just setup Open SuSE 11.2 with KDE 4 desktop on my macbook pro. Real sweet, gives me lots of comfort on Qt |
| 22:04.58 | timeless_mbp | iirc you have to do it from about:config |
| 22:05.17 | ShadowJK | Well no, I was using firefox ;) |
| 22:05.31 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: think about it... |
| 22:05.36 | timeless_mbp | google pays for bandwidth |
| 22:05.41 | timeless_mbp | and they pay for server hits |
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| 22:05.52 | timeless_mbp | they don't want to have to serve the same data to the same clients more than once |
| 22:05.59 | timeless_mbp | so they will configure caching properly :) |
| 22:06.15 | timeless_mbp | plus their goal is to have things load in the client app as fast as possible |
| 22:06.20 | ShadowJK | For some things, I gues |
| 22:06.27 | timeless_mbp | a network trip is pretty much the opposite of that :) |
| 22:06.37 | timeless_mbp | queries are different :) |
| 22:07.17 | julianoliver | timeless_mbp: google maps on the N900 seems to be almost non-functional here. i couldn't, for instance, close the location balloon. |
| 22:07.25 | ShadowJK | I have 2 caching squid proxies in a chain to alleviate the whims of technology a bit :) |
| 22:07.37 | timeless_mbp | julianoliver: did you enable the interaction mode? |
| 22:07.44 | timeless_mbp | and have you installed the gps addon? |
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| 22:07.58 | julianoliver | timeless_mbp: no. i wasn't aware of either of these two things. |
| 22:08.14 | timeless_mbp | julianoliver: have you watched the maemo ui team videos? |
| 22:08.19 | ShadowJK | but it didn't even hit the squids.. alot of sites seem to cause firefox to not use cache, and then the squids think that cached data is still perfectly valid and serves that :D |
| 22:08.24 | julianoliver | timeless_mbp: admittedly i'd had the phone about an hour when i started using it on the street! |
| 22:08.34 | julianoliver | timeless_mbp: no i have not. |
| 22:08.41 | timeless_mbp | i'd suggest you start there |
| 22:08.47 | timeless_mbp | if you can't find them w/in 2mins, ping me here |
| 22:08.49 | julianoliver | i will do. |
| 22:09.01 | timeless_mbp | that and um. the browser has default bookmarks including one to maemo.nokia.com |
| 22:09.04 | timeless_mbp | you should use that one... |
| 22:09.08 | Proteous | KenYoung, you should be able to ssh from your n900 to your desktop with the x11 forwarding option enabled, and then start the app you want from the commandline and have it forwarded to your desktop over the ssh connection |
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| 22:10.00 | ShadowJK | timeless, oh I get it.. I use google maps so rarely that they've changed the URL scheme for the images since last time :) |
| 22:10.52 | julianoliver | timeless_mbp: thanks for the tips. i will try google maps in the morning. |
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| 22:11.51 | timeless_mbp | julianoliver: you'll want to enable disk cache |
| 22:12.05 | timeless_mbp | if you don't do that, you'll be unhappy with google maps sooner or later |
| 22:12.24 | timeless_mbp | to do that, about:config and having a firefox to compare it against is a good idea |
| 22:16.54 | madmikeuk | well, i'll be off in a second |
| 22:17.11 | KenYoung | Proteus, so you're saying that to get an N900 shell displayed on my desktop, I should ssh from my N900 to my desktop with X11 forwarding, figure out what the name of the X11 connection is, then with a separate shell on the N900, launch an xterm that will use the X11 tunneling that the client ssh on the N900 established? |
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| 22:17.41 | qgil | qwerty12_N900: ping |
| 22:17.51 | qwerty12_N900 | qgil: Hiya |
| 22:18.07 | timeless_mbp | wonders what brings qgil out after midnight |
| 22:18.25 | qgil | qwerty12_N900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=391759#post391759 |
| 22:18.31 | Proteous | KenYoung: all you want is a terminal to the n900? |
| 22:18.38 | Proteous | or do you need a gui x11 app? |
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| 22:18.56 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, I think I went overboard with your "go anti-troll tmo" |
| 22:19.02 | qgil | wonders as well what I'm doing still awake timeless_mbp :) |
| 22:19.11 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 22:19.11 | crashanddie__ | hey qgil, how are you mate? |
| 22:19.23 | timeless_mbp | bad if he's up past bedtime :( |
| 22:19.33 | qgil | a bit sleepy now, otherwise very well thank you :) you? |
| 22:19.48 | crashanddie__ | not too bad, not too bad at all |
| 22:19.55 | crashanddie__ | qgil, it's good you're around, I have a quick question |
| 22:20.09 | crashanddie__ | I'm moving to Australia, how does that impact my loan device agreement? |
| 22:20.12 | qwerty12_N900 | qgil: Hmm, regarding MyPaint? |
| 22:20.22 | qgil | qwerty12_N900: yes |
| 22:20.23 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie__: the cost to return it should go up :) |
| 22:20.37 | crashanddie__ | timeless_mbp, that actually made me smile :) |
| 22:20.44 | qgil | I think Forum Nokia serves the antipodes as well |
| 22:20.59 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie__: TrollTech Qt used to be in Australia |
| 22:21.05 | timeless_mbp | i'd assume Nokia hasn't closed the office there |
| 22:21.06 | crashanddie__ | oh really? |
| 22:21.15 | timeless_mbp | if you're lucky you could ask them to manage the return |
| 22:21.15 | crashanddie__ | is there a lot of Nokia stuff going on in Oz? |
| 22:21.21 | qgil | Brisbane, Qt 4.6 for Maemo comes actually from there |
| 22:21.27 | timeless_mbp | http://www.blogistan.co.uk/qt/2007/02/trolltech_australia_moves.php |
| 22:21.29 | crashanddie__ | heh, moving to Brisbane :) |
| 22:22.11 | ljp | qt 4.6 for maemo does not come from Brissie |
| 22:22.22 | xorAxAx | hmm, af-sb-init doesnt work anymore for me |
| 22:22.23 | xorAxAx | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 55: /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop: No such file or directory |
| 22:22.27 | qwerty12_N900 | qgil: anders_gud would be a better person to ask, I guess. I just put it in -devel for him; he did the actual porting (plus, Python isn't a speciality) |
| 22:22.31 | xorAxAx | and other weird error messages, help! |
| 22:22.43 | xorAxAx | (the particular file exists) |
| 22:22.48 | w00t | can't wait for qt 4.6. |
| 22:22.50 | Proteous | KenYoung: if you just need a term you can: from the n900: ssh -R 12345:127.0.0.1:22 username@yourhost |
| 22:23.09 | qgil | qwerty12_N900: ah... do you think he'll answer within 12h? :) |
| 22:23.25 | Proteous | then from your desktop: ssh -p 12345 |
| 22:23.31 | Proteous | to localhost |
| 22:24.05 | javispedro | xorAxAx: are you in armel or x86 target? and, since you said /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop exists, does /bin/sh exist? :) |
| 22:24.34 | xorAxAx | javispedro: x86 target |
| 22:24.41 | xorAxAx | javispedro: no, it doesnt,hmm |
| 22:24.43 | Proteous | something wierd about tunneling ssh over ssh |
| 22:24.50 | xorAxAx | where is my sh?!? |
| 22:24.53 | qwerty12_N900 | qgil: Heh, good question... He's -1h behind you guys =) |
| 22:25.20 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 <=== does it works for you ? |
| 22:25.41 | xorAxAx | javispedro: i symlinked bash into sh and it works now. nevertheless weird why sh vanished |
| 22:25.58 | javispedro | black magic :) |
| 22:26.02 | qgil | ljp: do you know where this guy is based? http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-maemo5-core/ |
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| 22:26.24 | qgil | maybe not the 4.6 code, but the packaging then :) |
| 22:27.04 | lardman | re |
| 22:27.11 | xorAxAx | how can i start a terminal on maemo 5? |
| 22:27.11 | crashanddie__ | zerojay, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35053&page=2 |
| 22:27.12 | mikhas | it is funny how there is an account that only draws karma from publishing the packages =) |
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| 22:27.21 | xorAxAx | is there one in extras(-devel)? |
| 22:27.33 | mikhas | I think karma should run into negatives >=) |
| 22:27.36 | crashanddie__ | xorAxAx, the SDK is not an emulator |
| 22:27.49 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: osso-xterm is the packge name |
| 22:27.50 | ljp | qgil: he is QA engineer in Brisbane assigned to Maemo stuff |
| 22:27.53 | xorAxAx | crashanddie__: you mean its missing applications? |
| 22:28.20 | crashanddie__ | xorAxAx, meaning getting the full environment, 100% like it's on the device itself is not going to be easy |
| 22:28.31 | crashanddie__ | if possible at all, which I doubt |
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| 22:28.40 | xorAxAx | but osso-xterm could have been in the metapackage |
| 22:28.42 | lardman | or even possible as qemu doesn't fully emulate the processor |
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| 22:29.30 | qgil | ljp: do you like chess ahem ahem? B) |
| 22:29.38 | javispedro | xorAxAx: it's not a nokia-binary nor makes sense to add in the default environment, since why limit yourself to osso-xterm when you have whatever xterms you need in your host? |
| 22:29.46 | crashanddie__ | qgil, are you ranked? |
| 22:29.59 | ljp | i am bad at chess |
| 22:30.15 | xorAxAx | javispedro: for interoperability testing |
| 22:30.29 | xorAxAx | javispedro: whether the input methods suite your console app |
| 22:30.40 | xorAxAx | that you want to port to fremantle |
| 22:30.40 | qgil | ljp: but this doesn't really matter if you are good at Qt programming: http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature |
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| 22:30.59 | qgil | please forward the URL to your chess loving mates pls ljp |
| 22:31.07 | xorAxAx | woooot, colored prompt |
| 22:31.19 | javispedro | xorAxAx: "input methods"? you can only test virtual keyboard. |
| 22:31.29 | xorAxAx | javispedro: for example |
| 22:31.45 | qgil | crashanddie__: I'm a humble player around 1500 |
| 22:31.59 | xorAxAx | javispedro: ah, the return key doesnt work in the osso-xterm |
| 22:32.13 | xorAxAx | i can type ls but return doesnt do anything |
| 22:32.28 | javispedro | xorAxAx: cause it's expecting a KP_ENTER because that's what the device keyboard sends AFAIK |
| 22:32.34 | qgil | qwerty12_N900: anyway, it looks like MyPaint won't be in the BCN Long Weekend. What about you? |
| 22:32.55 | javispedro | xorAxAx: so if you have a keypad, press the enter key there. |
| 22:32.57 | qwerty12_N900 | qgil: Sorry, no passport or anything |
| 22:32.58 | crashanddie__ | qgil, nice. I won't be challenging you then |
| 22:33.01 | xorAxAx | javispedro: ok |
| 22:33.02 | KenYoung | Proteous, What is the meaning of 12345 in the command you just sent me? Do I literally use 12345 (if that's the case, it doesn't work) or should I be substituting some other number for 12345 ? |
| 22:33.09 | qgil | qwerty12_N900: where are you based? |
| 22:33.13 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: poor excuse you've had time! |
| 22:33.17 | qwerty12_N900 | qgil: London |
| 22:33.19 | crashanddie__ | qgil, he's a minor |
| 22:33.26 | lardman | miner? |
| 22:33.30 | lardman | ;) |
| 22:33.32 | timeless_mbp | i'm confused |
| 22:33.37 | crashanddie__ | qgil, technically, you could be arrested for inviting him ;) |
| 22:33.43 | qgil | qwerty12_N900: still? How long have I been hearing that story? ;) |
| 22:33.45 | timeless_mbp | do you need a guardian to cross national borders? |
| 22:33.48 | qgil | ok ok |
| 22:33.50 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: I thought you were 17? |
| 22:33.59 | SpeedEvil | clearly 12. |
| 22:34.13 | qgil | crashanddie__: alright, I see the brits in this room :P |
| 22:34.25 | lardman | hi qgil :) |
| 22:34.25 | KenYoung | Proteous, And yes, in answer to your earlier question, all I want is a shell on my N900 that I can have displayed on my desktop machine, and type into with my desktop keyboard. |
| 22:34.27 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: Yep |
| 22:34.43 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: well you're not minor any longer then are you...? |
| 22:34.53 | timeless_mbp | KenYoung: ssh -X is your friend |
| 22:34.54 | crashanddie__ | "any longer"? |
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| 22:34.56 | lardman | you can even get married and fly a plane |
| 22:34.59 | timeless_mbp | is your desktop wifi enabled? |
| 22:35.06 | xorAxAx | uh, so many packages break because there is no maemo-select-menu-location |
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| 22:35.14 | xorAxAx | isnt there a dummy package somewhere? |
| 22:35.17 | lardman | xorAxAx: yeah, noticed thar |
| 22:35.22 | crashanddie__ | lardman, coming of age is still at 18, technically speaking, he can't take a taxi without a guardian |
| 22:35.29 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: the goal was to force people to rebuild/repackage |
| 22:35.31 | xorAxAx | can somebody wrap up a dummy? :) |
| 22:35.34 | lardman | yeah he can in the UK |
| 22:35.56 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: well, there are broken packages in extra-devel ... |
| 22:35.59 | KenYoung | timeless_mbp, But I can't ssh INTO my N900, only ssh'ing OUT from it works. |
| 22:36.01 | xorAxAx | was that a goal? :) |
| 22:36.03 | javispedro | xorAxAx: not many |
| 22:36.03 | Proteous | KenYoung: the 12345 is just a random port number, the command creates a port forward |
| 22:36.03 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: and given that for the n900 we want people to optify too |
| 22:36.04 | lardman | he can drive now, so taking a taxi isn't such a big thing |
| 22:36.12 | xorAxAx | optify? |
| 22:36.18 | timeless_mbp | KenYoung: ok, so can you ssh to your n900 from your n900? |
| 22:36.26 | mikhas | what is the legal age in UK for owning a n900 then? 37? |
| 22:36.42 | crashanddie__ | lardman, most cab companies won't allow it -- and I actually believe it's illegal, as he is "alone" |
| 22:37.04 | qgil | 30 seconds survey: anybody here still undecided about going to BCN Long Weekend? |
| 22:37.04 | timeless_mbp | kidnapping is a serious crime in .uk :) |
| 22:37.16 | timeless_mbp | qgil: would someone sponsor me to go :) |
| 22:37.19 | crashanddie__ | qgil, GeneralAntilles lost his passport |
| 22:37.21 | lardman | qgil: would love to go but have work stuff on :( |
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| 22:37.38 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: then connecting to 12345 on your 'desktop' system connects to port 22 - through the ssh remote proxy |
| 22:37.40 | lardman | crashanddie__: you're not serious about GeneralAntilles? |
| 22:37.46 | crashanddie__ | lardman, correct |
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| 22:37.51 | lardman | good good |
| 22:38.04 | Proteous | KenYoung: that commands connects from you n900 to your desktop and sets up a listening port on your desktop (the 12345 number) that takes any trafic sent to it and sends it on to port 22 on you n900 |
| 22:38.09 | xorAxAx | Setting up osso-xterm (0.14.mh27+0m5) ... |
| 22:38.09 | xorAxAx | You must be root to launch this program. |
| 22:38.12 | xorAxAx | aha! |
| 22:38.14 | KenYoung | timeless_mbp, Yes, I can ssh from the N900 to the N900, using 127.0.0.1 . |
| 22:38.15 | crashanddie__ | that would've been the funniest thing ever. GA losing his passport after the Summit catastrophe! |
| 22:38.17 | Stskeeps | xorAxAx: fakeroot |
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| 22:38.41 | qgil | lardman your barcode reader...? |
| 22:38.47 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: So you connect to your desktop on port 12345 with ssh - login through the transparent tcp tunnel setup by ssh and then do whatever you want on the n900 - including setting up a xterm pointing back to your desktop |
| 22:38.47 | Proteous | KenYoung: so if you have sshd running on your n900 on port22 then it should allow you to tunnel the ssh connection from your desktop to your n900 |
| 22:38.49 | lardman | qgil: working |
| 22:38.54 | VDVsx | drops the bomb at -community :) |
| 22:39.03 | qgil | oh my |
| 22:39.07 | xorAxAx | Stskeeps: yeah |
| 22:39.10 | qgil | I go to sleep, see you tomorrow |
| 22:39.12 | xorAxAx | wow, bullshit bingo |
| 22:39.17 | qwerty12_N900 | 'night, qgil |
| 22:39.18 | lardman | qgil: still need to improve webscraping, but am thinking of moving everything other than decoding out of it and sending DBus messages to interested apps |
| 22:39.26 | lardman | night qgil |
| 22:39.29 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Thanks for getting the ball rolling |
| 22:39.38 | qgil | thx for microreport lardman |
| 22:39.40 | KenYoung | Proteous, But when I do it, I get the message "Remote port forwarding failed for listen port 12345" |
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| 22:40.04 | Proteous | KenYoung: try changing that number and seeing if it works |
| 22:40.12 | Proteous | something else might be using that port |
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| 22:40.44 | SpeedEvil | I know that dropbear seemed not to like to do portforwarding oncee when I tried it |
| 22:41.12 | xorAxAx | hmm, at first i though the cancel button would be hidden below the lower screen border when i was first using xephyr and the sdk |
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| 22:41.39 | javispedro | VDVsx: I see your evil bomb. |
| 22:41.45 | timeless_mbp | KenYoung: you could replace dropbear to openssh :) |
| 22:41.48 | qwerty12_N900 | Why would you use Dropbear on an NXXX device anyway? It's like buying a Ferrari and asking for a tape recorder to be put in there |
| 22:41.57 | KenYoung | Proteous, No, it doesn't work even with a different number. Do I need to enable X11 forwarding in the /etc/ssh/ssh_config file? It does not appear to be enabled by default. |
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| 22:42.22 | Proteous | this is not using x11 at all |
| 22:42.25 | javispedro | ~qwerty12_N900++ |
| 22:42.33 | Proteous | you don't need x11 for just a terminal |
| 22:42.41 | KenYoung | timeless_mbp, I'm not using dropbear. I don't think dropbear supports X11 forwarding. I'm using openssh |
| 22:42.46 | javispedro | if you are memory conscious launche openssh from inetd :) |
| 22:43.04 | Stskeeps | ponders why on earth osso-bookmark-engine is closed |
| 22:43.05 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 22:43.20 | xorAxAx | javispedro: is that connected to the maemo.org karma? :) |
| 22:43.21 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: histerical reasons |
| 22:43.33 | xorAxAx | is playing frozen bubble on the sdk in xephyr |
| 22:43.36 | javispedro | Stskeeps: still surprised? |
| 22:43.37 | Stskeeps | hysterical or historial? :) |
| 22:43.38 | timeless_mbp | but mostly because the browser team never managed to get approval to open source anything |
| 22:43.39 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 22:43.41 | Stskeeps | ical |
| 22:43.42 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: "yes" |
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| 22:43.50 | timeless_mbp | (i.e. both) |
| 22:44.03 | timeless_mbp | our primary goal was to open source the browser ui |
| 22:44.09 | Stskeeps | right, back to ripping bookmark support out by force of hildon-home |
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| 22:44.18 | javispedro | and you failed ... ? |
| 22:44.18 | timeless_mbp | but that mostly failed |
| 22:44.44 | timeless_mbp | we weren't going to fight harder for bookmarks having failed w/ browser-ui |
| 22:44.48 | mece | heh testing an N900... over vnc. |
| 22:45.11 | crashanddie__ | mece, shame the cursor doesn't show up eh |
| 22:45.12 | pekuja | you have a VNC server running on the N900? |
| 22:45.19 | crashanddie__ | pekuja, yeah, got one too here |
| 22:45.22 | mece | no but my friend has. I dont have the device |
| 22:45.26 | Proteous | KenYoung: something on your desktop machine is not letting you create the listening port |
| 22:45.26 | pekuja | crazy |
| 22:45.30 | mikhas | anyone using sbox on windows here? |
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| 22:45.34 | mece | yeah.. still it's pretty cool |
| 22:45.39 | javispedro | remebers the stupid "mail" task navigator plugin was closed. considering that, I can see reasons for nearly everything to be closed. |
| 22:45.40 | pekuja | agreed |
| 22:46.04 | mece | x11vnc only uses 10% and it's pretty smooth. Over 3g no less! |
| 22:46.05 | mikhas | is there an easy way to access folders inside sbox from windows directly, say with the windows explorer? |
| 22:46.10 | mece | 10% cpu that is |
| 22:46.22 | pekuja | I'm still on the fence about getting an N900. that sort of things do make me smile though :-P |
| 22:46.34 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: I find it amusing that such things as the Memory Control Panel applet are closed :\ |
| 22:46.51 | pekuja | every now and then it does bug me how little flexibility the OS in my current phone has |
| 22:47.00 | javispedro | differentiation... yeah. |
| 22:47.07 | Proteous | KenYoung: what is your desktop running? |
| 22:47.11 | Proteous | KenYoung: is it a mac? |
| 22:47.25 | betz | Greetings! I've just read about maemo in a linux magazine and i was wondering if it would be possible to run maemo on a nokia 6620 navigator? |
| 22:47.34 | qwerty12_N900 | There's differentiation and then there is just plain being anal |
| 22:47.40 | VDVsx | mikhas, where is sbox ? inside a linux system ? |
| 22:48.12 | KenYoung | Proteous, No, it's running Centos, but I just tried doing it to an Ubuntu machine, and I did not get an error, so I'm sure you're right, the problem is on the desktop machine. |
| 22:48.46 | ShadowJK | betz, no. |
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| 22:48.56 | betz | bummer |
| 22:49.02 | mikhas | VDVsx, sbox inside linux/virtual box |
| 22:49.51 | KenYoung | Proteous, Once I have that listening port set up, how can I use it to open an xterm displayed on the desktop machine? |
| 22:49.56 | ShadowJK | Maemo4 on N800 and N810, Maemo5 on N900. |
| 22:50.34 | wiretapped | the N900 is no longer available on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205178&Tpk=n900 |
| 22:50.41 | wiretapped | "Deactivated Item" |
| 22:50.47 | mece | sure |
| 22:50.48 | wiretapped | not in their search results |
| 22:50.54 | DantonicN800 | ouch |
| 22:51.01 | crashanddie__ | Jaffa, am I dreaming or is christaexport highjacking your post about MWN to talk about his depression? |
| 22:51.06 | VDVsx | mikhas, ah, the vbox image is a big file, dunno if you can access things there. If it's inside a normal linux system, you only need to install support for ext3/4 on windows |
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| 22:51.27 | VDVsx | there's a couple of free app for that |
| 22:51.32 | mikhas | ok thanks! |
| 22:52.07 | crashanddie__ | wiretapped, out of stock? |
| 22:52.12 | DantonicN800 | mece, what os do you run on your desktop? |
| 22:52.53 | mece | mint 7 |
| 22:53.11 | mece | using gtkvncviewer to play with the N900 |
| 22:53.21 | wiretapped | crashanddie__: it was never listed as being in stock; the date available went from 11/14 to 11/30 |
| 22:54.24 | DantonicN800 | mece, i'm trying to figure out vnc, i'm on ubuntu 9.10 but have been unable to configure it. trying to use vino. whats an easy server to setup? |
| 22:54.49 | mece | gtkvncviewer works fine on ubunutu. or are you talking about server? |
| 22:54.59 | DantonicN800 | yes |
| 22:55.04 | mece | oh.. |
| 22:55.14 | DantonicN800 | server on ubuntu to access from tablet |
| 22:55.26 | mece | oh wait. |
| 22:56.07 | mece | I'll ask the owner of the phone. He does that. |
| 22:56.49 | Proteous | KenYoung: from your desktop machine run: ssh -P thePortYouUsedMaybe12345 localhost |
| 22:57.17 | Proteous | login with the username password that you have setup on you n900 |
| 22:58.19 | javispedro | I see KDE is getting on "abusing the community word" train. |
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| 22:58.55 | KenYoung | Proteous, Thanks very much for your patient help on this. The Ubuntu machine I was able to get your command to work on is not in my building, so I'll have to travel to test this out. I'll sign off here now, and try the command you just gave me. Again, thanks a bunch! |
| 22:59.00 | mece | DantonicN800, just open "remote desktop" (should be installed) and enable stuff there. no extra software required. |
| 22:59.14 | Proteous | KenYoung: no problem, hope it works! |
| 22:59.34 | kynky | hope they port nx (nomachine) to n900 |
| 22:59.37 | edgar2 | dantonicn800: i'm using linux mint, and the pre-installed program remote desktop |
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| 23:00.02 | edgar2 | i simply enabled it to accept remote connections |
| 23:00.12 | edgar2 | and logged in with vnc viewer from n900 |
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| 23:01.46 | mece | here's some stuff on remote desktop on ubuntu: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/share-your-ubuntu-desktop-using-remote-desktop.html |
| 23:01.53 | Hydroxide | cheers at finally having a n900 |
| 23:02.07 | DantonicN800 | heh spent several hours on it. it doesnt work. |
| 23:02.19 | mece | Hydroxied, does it have a working mic? |
| 23:02.26 | DantonicN800 | how is mint? whats different about it? |
| 23:02.32 | Hydroxide | mece: I haven't tested the mic input yet. are most of them broken? |
| 23:02.42 | Hydroxide | mece: (yes, that means I haven't made a call yet) |
| 23:02.42 | mece | DantonicN800 It's easy. |
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| 23:02.57 | mece | Hydroxide, no, but some are. |
| 23:03.06 | Hydroxide | mece: ah. will be sure to check. thanks for the heads-up |
| 23:03.26 | edgar2 | dantonicn800: mint is, afaik, ordinary ubuntu + some artwork and custom menu + update-manager |
| 23:03.31 | Hydroxide | mece: my 14-day return period starts today according to the included packing list, so I have some time to find any flaws :) and I think for defects it's 30 days |
| 23:03.44 | Hydroxide | mece: I'm overall expecting to like it like I did my 770 and N800 :) |
| 23:03.47 | Hydroxide | mece: or probably more |
| 23:04.38 | mece | Hydroxide: well, I don't have one yet :( But at least I'm playing with one over vnc right now :D |
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| 23:05.39 | Hydroxide | mece: cool :) I pre-ordered from nokiausa.com on september 3, and did the "oops nokia gave me an incompatible bundle" re-order with 15% discount on november 16. it shipped overnight yesterday and arrived today |
| 23:05.53 | Hydroxide | mece: so you can draw your own conclusions from that about your own situation |
| 23:06.36 | mece | Hydroxide: I'll get mine 4th or 6th december. Yawn. |
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| 23:07.04 | mece | But I might get two of them to work this week. |
| 23:07.07 | Hydroxide | mece: good luck. seems nice so far. |
| 23:08.35 | lardman | what's my best bet for splitting a file read into a char* to get the individual lines out? |
| 23:08.39 | lardman | strtok? |
| 23:08.59 | Proteous | perl? |
| 23:09.06 | greenfly | heh |
| 23:09.08 | ShadowJK | strtok is evil |
| 23:09.13 | Proteous | sed? |
| 23:09.17 | lardman | in C |
| 23:09.24 | w00t | anyone want a google wave invite? I've 16 to give away |
| 23:09.49 | yuizy | o/ |
| 23:09.52 | AakashPatel | wishs he had a use for google wave |
| 23:09.56 | Proteous | I've got one but non of my friends do, makes google wave pretty boring |
| 23:10.05 | AakashPatel | mines just been sitting there un used :( |
| 23:10.05 | ShadowJK | If you're going to use strtok, consider strsep |
| 23:10.06 | w00t | AakashPatel: much the same as my attitude ;-) |
| 23:10.14 | AakashPatel | :D |
| 23:10.15 | w00t | yuizy: msg me your address |
| 23:10.16 | yuizy | w00t: do you want my email? |
| 23:10.20 | yuizy | ok |
| 23:10.40 | AakashPatel | yuizy, you probably wont get the invite immediately btw |
| 23:10.40 | crashanddie__ | lardman, fscanf(ptr, "%s", &buffer); if my memory serves me well |
| 23:10.42 | mavhc | wave replaces group email/document collaboration |
| 23:11.04 | crashanddie__ | lardman, sorry, that's wrong, use fgets |
| 23:11.05 | yuizy | :( |
| 23:11.10 | lardman | ah, good idea, thanks crashanddie__ |
| 23:11.23 | w00t | anyone else? |
| 23:11.51 | AakashPatel | yuizy, a few days ;) |
| 23:12.51 | crashanddie__ | s * [r, c, 1] = P * [ -sin(phi); cos(phi)sin(theta); cos(phi)cos(theta) ] |
| 23:12.58 | AakashPatel | o.O |
| 23:13.04 | crashanddie__ | sorry, wrong window |
| 23:13.13 | AakashPatel | lol |
| 23:13.41 | javispedro | ah, matlab. *hate/love relationship* |
| 23:13.54 | crashanddie__ | (for those interested, where P = T * K(f) * R) |
| 23:14.28 | sp3000 | there's no symbol for that relationship? |
| 23:14.35 | mece | alrighty I'm off. goodnight |
| 23:14.42 | AakashPatel | night dude |
| 23:14.43 | sp3000 | surely somewhere in unicode ;) |
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| 23:16.39 | julianoliver | i'm setting up the nokia apps in sbox_FREEMANTLE_x86 and getting pages of errors like the following: http://pastebin.com/d25ebb5d7 |
| 23:16.41 | julianoliver | is that to be expected? |
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| 23:18.35 | AakashPatel | Is the maemo emu supposed to have any apps installed in ti? |
| 23:18.37 | AakashPatel | it* |
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| 23:19.50 | sp3000 | if you install the nokia binaries whatever thingamajig it'll have some at least |
| 23:20.25 | AakashPatel | Oh what.. I instlled the nokia binaries and i didnt have *any* |
| 23:20.30 | javispedro | AakashPatel: it's not an emu. |
| 23:20.30 | AakashPatel | not even a browser :/ |
| 23:20.35 | AakashPatel | ah i see |
| 23:20.50 | javispedro | though Nokia did add some x86 builds of some applications to aid development |
| 23:20.52 | Klowner | you can apt-get the extra stuff |
| 23:20.55 | javispedro | including the browser |
| 23:20.59 | javispedro | in metapackage nokia-apps |
| 23:21.21 | *** topic/#maemo by crashanddie__ -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo-Barcelona Long Weekend - Registrations open - http://tinyurl.com/ydv6p62 | Scratchbox + Xephyr is not an emulator, don't expect a terminal or browser |
| 23:21.35 | javispedro | :) |
| 23:21.38 | AakashPatel | hehe |
| 23:21.52 | AakashPatel | just came from the android world |
| 23:21.59 | AakashPatel | so i got used to the word emulator |
| 23:22.36 | crashanddie__ | julianoliver, in your world, are "errors" "expected? |
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| 23:24.21 | acidjazz | FUCKING SHIP ALRD |
| 23:24.22 | acidjazz | *CRY* |
| 23:24.30 | b-man17 | o.0 |
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| 23:24.43 | crashanddie__ | Si la gent entendria que no som Google! |
| 23:24.54 | crashanddie__ | acidjazz, take your pills |
| 23:25.14 | julianoliver | crashanddie__: with software there is no One World.. In the world of Maemo 5, errors may be equivalent to light drizzle, I don't yet know. |
| 23:25.25 | acidjazz | how is qt btw |
| 23:25.27 | acidjazz | is it neat |
| 23:25.39 | acidjazz | gimme some qt codes to read or a lil qt tutorial |
| 23:25.44 | crashanddie | acidjazz, you do realise Maemo 5 doesn't include Qt by default, right? |
| 23:26.02 | crashanddie | or rather, to qualify the above, the Maemo 5 UI isn't written in Qt |
| 23:26.21 | KenYoung | Proteous, Are you sure "ssh -P 12345 localhost" is what I should use? I get the error "ssh: connect to host 12345 port 22: Invalid argument" . |
| 23:26.32 | acidjazz | crashanddie: whats it written in then |
| 23:26.41 | julianoliver | KenYoung: little -p |
| 23:26.47 | crashanddie | acidjazz, GTK/Hildon |
| 23:27.03 | crashanddie | acidjazz, as for Qt tutorials: /join #qt |
| 23:27.09 | Pio | -P for scp, -p for ssh :( |
| 23:27.15 | acidjazz | so whats the optimal langauge to write apps in |
| 23:27.25 | Klowner | assembler |
| 23:27.28 | acidjazz | w/out caring about including stuff |
| 23:27.30 | julianoliver | Pio: isn't it annoying. especially after 10 years of daily use. |
| 23:27.38 | Pio | so so so annoying hehe |
| 23:27.39 | crashanddie | acidjazz, lol? |
| 23:27.54 | acidjazz | hildon? |
| 23:27.56 | crashanddie | acidjazz, use a proper IDE and use whatever language you fancy? |
| 23:28.06 | julianoliver | acidjazz: indeed. assembler is optimal.. for computers. |
| 23:28.14 | acidjazz | i'm asking a question of preference |
| 23:28.22 | crashanddie | acidjazz, and everyone will give you a different answer |
| 23:28.35 | acidjazz | thats fine |
| 23:28.36 | acidjazz | whats yours |
| 23:28.38 | crashanddie | acidjazz, we can't make choices for you, only you can |
| 23:28.41 | acidjazz | i know |
| 23:28.44 | acidjazz | and i will |
| 23:28.46 | julianoliver | acidjazz: for humans it greatly varies. i prefer Python for quickly writing an application. for performance, i stick with C++ |
| 23:28.48 | KenYoung | Proteous, I tried that too. It gives the error "ssh: connect to host localhost port 12345" Connection refused" . |
| 23:29.31 | julianoliver | KenYoung: well then you don't have sshd listening on 12345 /or/ you don't have sshd running at all or you are trying to connect as root or [..] |
| 23:29.33 | crashanddie | KenYoung, netstat -nl | grep 12345 |
| 23:29.50 | acidjazz | julianoliver: is python built into the sdk for maemo? |
| 23:30.02 | crashanddie | acidjazz, you can install it easily |
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| 23:30.20 | acidjazz | yea but if i write python apps am i going to have to ask ppl to install python to run them? |
| 23:30.26 | crashanddie | yes |
| 23:30.28 | acidjazz | i'd rather avoid that |
| 23:30.33 | crashanddie | but that will be done automatically |
| 23:30.40 | acidjazz | will they know? |
| 23:30.43 | acidjazz | or itll prompt em? |
| 23:30.49 | crashanddie | basically, the application manager will automatically install the dependencies |
| 23:30.51 | acidjazz | dependancy packages or something.. |
| 23:30.57 | acidjazz | i see |
| 23:31.07 | acidjazz | there a php dependancy package? :) |
| 23:31.26 | crashanddie | so for example, the first time a user install a python app it will show up as being "15meg", when really the app itself is just 20k, but the dependencies beef that up |
| 23:31.32 | julianoliver | acidjazz: if you package it properly then that'll all be done for the user. |
| 23:31.38 | acidjazz | oo http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/16/new-php-package-for-maemo/ |
| 23:31.47 | crashanddie | acidjazz, no, PHP is not ported for N900 as far as I am aware |
| 23:31.51 | acidjazz | crashanddie: cuz the python package is 15mb? yea that woudl suck |
| 23:32.24 | KenYoung | crashanddie, THat command produces no output, except error messages about no kernel support for INET6 |
| 23:32.25 | julianoliver | acidjazz: well, it'd be the same on a platform like Windows. i think many users would not find it a problem. |
| 23:33.01 | crashanddie | acidjazz, that link was for Mistral -- aka the 770 |
| 23:33.03 | julianoliver | KenYoung: 'netstat -tupa' on the N900 |
| 23:33.10 | acidjazz | yea |
| 23:33.13 | acidjazz | and it was 2007 |
| 23:33.46 | acidjazz | so then why is qt so marketed as the langauge for the n900 |
| 23:33.52 | crashanddie | it is not |
| 23:33.54 | julianoliver | KenYoung: better 'netstat -tupa | grep sshd' |
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| 23:33.57 | acidjazz | is that just what is the most supported by the n900? |
| 23:34.05 | KenYoung | julianoliver, It does not accept the -p option. |
| 23:34.08 | crashanddie | julianoliver, he's port forwarding SSH, so SSHD won't help |
| 23:34.16 | julianoliver | crashanddie: ahh.. i see. |
| 23:34.23 | crashanddie | acidjazz, god you're thick |
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| 23:34.55 | crashanddie | acidjazz, Qt isn't most supported on the N900. Everything native is GTK/Hildon. Qt has been announced as being the platform for Maemo 6 |
| 23:35.14 | crashanddie | acidjazz, hence, everyone gets an implied incentive to use Qt rather than GTK if they want their apps to run nicely on Maemo 6 |
| 23:35.24 | acidjazz | nokia made a public newsletter announcing qt support etc |
| 23:35.37 | acidjazz | oh 6 ok |
| 23:35.50 | crashanddie | however at this point, Qt python bindings and such aren't optimal yet, so if you just want to have fun, I would suggest using something that is well documented such as GTK/Hildon |
| 23:35.51 | acidjazz | i guess i missed it was 6 |
| 23:36.00 | acidjazz | yea i think i will |
| 23:36.29 | acidjazz | thanks for the info crashanddie , minus insulting me the entire time |
| 23:36.40 | javispedro | oh, you get used to him after a while :) |
| 23:36.42 | crashanddie | don't behave like an idiot and I won't have to |
| 23:36.51 | crashanddie | happy I could help |
| 23:36.59 | javispedro | :) |
| 23:37.10 | crashanddie | javispedro, seen my latest rant on tmo? |
| 23:37.10 | acidjazz | also venting to random ppl on irc wont help your issues :) |
| 23:37.19 | javispedro | crashanddie: yep |
| 23:37.26 | crashanddie | javispedro, I'm sure you liked it |
| 23:37.35 | javispedro | to be honest, I did. |
| 23:37.46 | crashanddie | there's a surprise :) |
| 23:37.52 | javispedro | I dislike "goodbye members" or similarly styled threads. |
| 23:38.26 | crashanddie | I actually had to revise the post a few times before posting it -- I was way too rough for tmo |
| 23:38.54 | crashanddie | acidjazz, I don't really vent, I just prefer it when people do some research before asking obvious questions |
| 23:39.33 | crashanddie | acidjazz, everything you asked has been discussed millions of times on the mailing lists, forums and blogs, I really don't see how you could've missed it while searching -- indicating you didn't, and showing you think our time is less valuable than yours |
| 23:39.58 | acidjazz | you have an idea how much easier it is to just ask and find out instantly on irc? |
| 23:40.01 | acidjazz | no matter how many ppl you piss off? |
| 23:40.07 | acidjazz | whos thick now |
| 23:40.28 | crashanddie | acidjazz, do you have any idea the people you're pissing off are the ones you're considering working with for the next few months, if you get a device? |
| 23:40.45 | acidjazz | yes, 1. |
| 23:40.51 | crashanddie | right |
| 23:41.53 | lardman | anyone know if there's a handy hildonesque function which returns the name of the visible user directory, e.g. ~/MyDocs ? |
| 23:41.53 | crashanddie | acidjazz, I'm happy we cleared that up, I'm sure people will love working with you :) |
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| 23:42.16 | crashanddie | lardman, it's a single user environment |
| 23:42.18 | acidjazz | and as i learn i also plan on helping any1 else in here who has questions w/out simultaneousely insulting them and venting other issues |
| 23:42.28 | crashanddie | lardman, you can probably hard-code that (or conf it) |
| 23:42.57 | andre__ | ...and in the end, everything was fine and everybody was happy. |
| 23:43.01 | lardman | yeah, but the name might change |
| 23:43.12 | lardman | ;) |
| 23:43.15 | crashanddie | lardman, never came across that anyway |
| 23:43.22 | crashanddie | s/that/that function/ |
| 23:43.26 | lardman | me neither |
| 23:44.04 | crashanddie | lardman, do you know autostitch? |
| 23:44.18 | kalikianafk | lardman, the env variable MYDOCSDIR |
| 23:44.43 | lardman | ah right |
| 23:44.48 | lardman | crashanddie: no, what is it |
| 23:44.51 | lardman | kalikianafk: thanks |
| 23:44.59 | kalikianafk | no problem |
| 23:45.08 | crashanddie | lardman, funky app that assembles pictures in a pano view |
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| 23:45.36 | lardman | ah right, seen that sort of thing before |
| 23:45.38 | crashanddie | lardman, contrary to most apps that do that, it doesn't do just 1d adjustments, but also 2d adjustments (horizontal and vertical, thus depth and angle) |
| 23:46.05 | crashanddie | lardman, the results are seriously amazing, millions time better than the ones I had seen before |
| 23:46.24 | lardman | rotation too? |
| 23:46.36 | crashanddie | lardman, 360deg * 180deg |
| 23:47.01 | lardman | I meant adjustment of the rotation of an image before stitching it |
| 23:47.12 | kalikianafk | rubs his hands and builds his libsoup that can be installed in parallel to the existing one |
| 23:47.14 | crashanddie | lardman, also, if you need to subcontract some webscraping functions, I don't helping out a bit. Just drop me an email saying what you're trying to get from a page or something and I'll see if I can help out |
| 23:47.26 | crashanddie | lardman, oh yeah, it doesn't care about the angle, only what's in the image itself |
| 23:47.46 | javispedro | oh, people are ALREADY asking why only 25 GiB free |
| 23:48.07 | lardman | crashanddie: well re webscraping, anything that does a better job than what I have atm ;) |
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| 23:48.17 | lardman | crashanddie: AWS would be good, also barcodepedia, etc., etc |
| 23:48.41 | lardman | crashanddie: there are some urls listed and commented out in the existing web.c code, so please take a crack if you feel like it |
| 23:48.57 | crashanddie | lardman, might do on the plane while I'm flying to calif this weekend |
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| 23:49.10 | julianoliver | HAH! it works. i have a fully virtually hosted scratchboxed, Maemo 5 to play with on my laptop. super. |
| 23:49.19 | julianoliver | rubs hands |
| 23:49.20 | lardman | feel free, probably better than waxing your surfboard |
| 23:49.23 | crashanddie | julianoliver, could you document your steps? |
| 23:49.39 | julianoliver | i just followed this, to the letter: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 23:49.51 | crashanddie | julianoliver, that's just the SDK though ;) |
| 23:49.54 | julianoliver | my two previous attempts failed. |
| 23:50.12 | julianoliver | crashanddie: yes, that's what i meant ;) it's running in the hosted X session. |
| 23:50.24 | crashanddie | julianoliver, I failed miserably last time as well, found out later that it was because some package was unavailable on the repo |
| 23:50.33 | julianoliver | yes, i think this happened to me. |
| 23:51.04 | acidjazz | julianoliver: nice |
| 23:52.11 | crashanddie | lardman, only taking my skateboard this time. Rented the surf equipment over there last time. Half moon bay was awesome, but a bit shark infested and cold |
| 23:52.59 | crashanddie | I guess the sharks will be a good training for oz |
| 23:54.40 | julianoliver | crashanddie: attacks on surfers are pretty rare in Australia. just stay between the flags and be sure to listen to beachpatrol. |
| 23:55.26 | lardman | julianoliver: not as rare as over here though I bet ;) |
| 23:55.30 | julianoliver | that said, as someone that's been in close proximity to a very large shark, none of that is any comfort. |
| 23:55.34 | julianoliver | lardman: where's 'here'? |
| 23:55.37 | lardman | UK :) |
| 23:55.42 | julianoliver | hehe |
| 23:55.51 | julianoliver | indeed |
| 23:55.55 | acidjazz | you said half moon bay? |
| 23:55.59 | acidjazz | in cali? |
| 23:56.01 | lardman | though per surfing capita....... |
| 23:56.21 | julianoliver | lardman: then yes, it's a problem of epidemic proportions. |
| 23:56.29 | crashanddie | lardman, http://people.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/panogallery/panogallery.html |
| 23:56.39 | julianoliver | anyway, night all |
| 23:56.48 | crashanddie | lardman, you'd be surprised at the number of surfers in the UK |
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| 23:57.16 | crashanddie | acidjazz, yeah, going to cal for a month |
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| 23:57.24 | lardman | night julianoliver |
| 23:57.27 | TommyBres | hey guys i just got my emu running, can someone help me get browser on there? |
| 23:57.32 | lardman | crashanddie: I know, but fewer than Oz I imagine |
| 23:58.05 | acidjazz | im in sf |
| 23:58.17 | crashanddie | lardman, this is the truly impressive stuff: http://people.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/panogallery/green2.html |
| 23:58.25 | crashanddie | acidjazz, cool, I'll be staying in Fremont |
| 23:58.47 | acidjazz | crashanddie: got an n900 you wanna sell me? :) |
| 23:58.54 | acidjazz | crashanddie: you have yours yet? |
| 23:59.02 | crashanddie | I have one on loan from Nokia |
| 23:59.14 | acidjazz | oh one of the pre ones |
| 23:59.21 | acidjazz | howd you get it |
| 23:59.32 | crashanddie | acidjazz, lol, last time I was in cal I asked for one nicely and they gave me one for 3 days ;) |
| 23:59.46 | crashanddie | (I had to do a presentation) |
| 23:59.49 | acidjazz | how do you ask, they have an office here? |
| 23:59.55 | acidjazz | the nokia ngage building in soma? |
