| 00:00.05 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Yeah, stop hogging Karelia! |
| 00:00.37 | wazd | I should return to the past and prevent the attack of the USSR :D |
| 00:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, you know, you're not going to like the community as much once you find the secret document revealing VDVsx's culpability in preventing you from getting a device. |
| 00:01.15 | b-man17 | lol |
| 00:01.38 | wazd | shakes with nuclear briefcase in front of qwerty12 :P |
| 00:01.56 | qwerty12_N810 | Hehe |
| 00:02.00 | VDVsx | lolol |
| 00:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | You know you can't trust people with two names. . . . |
| 00:02.22 | wazd | And now, meet my bear Ivan :D |
| 00:02.30 | Anidel | hey qwerty12 |
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| 00:02.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Hiya, Anidel. How's it going? |
| 00:03.30 | Anidel | pretty good.. |
| 00:03.38 | Anidel | tired |
| 00:03.43 | Anidel | about to go to sleep |
| 00:04.33 | qwerty12_N810 | #maemo keeps me awake (mostly) |
| 00:05.18 | Anidel | that's good ;) |
| 00:05.19 | wazd | Oh my, 3AM |
| 00:05.22 | pupnik | nice work on xchat network dialogue by peter zelezny. it would be nice if chanlist were left-aligned and used a new maemo5 scrolly list |
| 00:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, bottom tabs. |
| 00:05.50 | qwerty12_N810 | XChat takes no criticism, I see =) |
| 00:05.55 | b-man17 | qwerty12_N810: how much sleep do you get on a daily basis? xD |
| 00:06.04 | wazd | Ahaha, Ironman :D |
| 00:06.26 | qwerty12_N810 | b-man17: ~6 hours |
| 00:06.56 | b-man17 | not bad :) |
| 00:08.01 | w00t_ | sleep is overrated |
| 00:08.15 | wazd | Well, gonna get some sleep, cya tomorrow guys |
| 00:08.21 | w00t_ | sleep is overrated |
| 00:08.22 | GeneralAntilles | Later, wazd. |
| 00:08.24 | w00t_ | :-) |
| 00:08.31 | b-man17 | xD |
| 00:08.39 | qwerty12_N810 | 'night, wazd |
| 00:08.41 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody watching Venture Bros season 4. |
| 00:08.42 | wazd | You're overrated, w00t! :D |
| 00:08.50 | w00t_ | never! :P night wazd |
| 00:09.04 | VDVsx | gnite wazd :) |
| 00:09.10 | b-man17 | too late xD |
| 00:09.27 | w00t_ | pet msn hatred: when someone starts writing at the same time as me, and we both stop to see what the other says |
| 00:09.41 | Anidel | if I port Xournal to the Lumix GF1 camera will Panasonic lend me it? |
| 00:10.31 | qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: Yes, but it requires a £300 deposit of which Panasonic may choose not to return to you |
| 00:10.47 | Anidel | that's fine :D |
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| 00:45.14 | pupnik | himjphnxhow are you doing, |
| 00:45.35 | pupnik | wow, not ready to touch-tzpe without looking |
| 00:45.50 | johnx | gazunteit (sp?) :) |
| 00:45.59 | johnx | doin' good |
| 00:46.03 | johnx | pretty darn tired though |
| 00:46.09 | johnx | got like 4 hours of sleep this morning |
| 00:46.10 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, how many years have you been using computers? :P |
| 00:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, high five! |
| 00:46.19 | pupnik | i hit m a lot trying for space |
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| 00:46.41 | johnx | pupnik, n900? |
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| 00:48.59 | pupnik | yes johnx |
| 00:49.15 | pupnik | on n800 i hit n |
| 00:49.24 | pupnik | n810 |
| 00:49.40 | johnx | hey, UPNP/DLNA people: how strange of an idea is it to think of an x server whose framebuffer is a DLNA renderer. does that make any sense? |
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| 00:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | This is a bit depressing https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?target_milestone=5.0+%281.2009.42-11%29 |
| 00:53.08 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: i think we have a couple of hundred fixes for that release fwiw |
| 00:53.10 | CoreFusion- | GA, lol |
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| 00:53.24 | timeless_mbp | but realistically, the release ingredients were mostly selected before summit |
| 00:53.49 | CoreFusion- | Solution: By a decent access point |
| 00:53.54 | CoreFusion- | buy* |
| 00:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | CoreFusion-, the search recipe is the interesting part, not the bug listed. ;) |
| 00:54.51 | CoreFusion- | GeneralAntilles: Oh, ok. Still, the bug was hilarious |
| 00:55.55 | johnx | wait, "fixed"? is that a real fix or just changing what "maximum" does? |
| 00:56.24 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, who the hell knows. |
| 00:57.12 | johnx | i guess I will after I check the diff :) |
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| 01:03.08 | CoreFusion- | Can't wait for my N900 and helping out in testing software :) |
| 01:05.52 | ljp | me too |
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| 01:11.56 | GeneralAntilles | Man, there is some really buggy behavior when you long-tap to activate edit mode in h-d. |
| 01:12.10 | w00t_ | buggy in what way? |
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| 01:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | w00t_, applets shoot all over the place, desktops switch, etc. |
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| 01:15.59 | SmilybOrg | lol |
| 01:17.37 | b-man17 | wishes that Esbox had a syntax-cleanup function for python |
| 01:18.17 | w00t_ | GeneralAntilles: that sounds ..unpleasant |
| 01:18.34 | GeneralAntilles | w00t_, indeed. |
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| 01:19.36 | w00t_ | hopes that gets fixed soon |
| 01:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't tap'n'hold to edit, I guess. |
| 01:19.56 | w00t_ | haha |
| 01:20.01 | w00t_ | well, I'm not overly concerned |
| 01:20.06 | GeneralAntilles | Use the menu, instead. |
| 01:20.09 | w00t_ | shipping is still up in the air, so I've nothing to tap ;) |
| 01:20.37 | GeneralAntilles | For future reference. |
| 01:20.55 | w00t_ | hehe |
| 01:21.13 | w00t_ | are you using the updated fw? |
| 01:21.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, just installed 42-11 |
| 01:22.07 | CoreFusion- | Is that the one that comes installed on the N900 when it ships? |
| 01:22.18 | w00t_ | yes |
| 01:22.41 | CoreFusion- | How is it? |
| 01:22.47 | CoreFusion- | Much improvement? |
| 01:23.07 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure yet |
| 01:23.56 | CoreFusion- | It's been 2 months since I have tried a N900 so I guess it's a big improvement to that :) |
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| 01:24.54 | CoreFusion- | but now i really have to go get some sleep... already 3:24 in the morning.... |
| 01:25.08 | CoreFusion- | goes to sleep |
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| 01:35.11 | Xisdibik | Hello Maemoers |
| 01:35.26 | johnx | allo |
| 01:36.05 | Xisdibik | Does anyone here have a pre-order from the US? |
| 01:36.25 | Xisdibik | (i mean have they pre-ordered, not have they recieved their phone) |
| 01:39.51 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of people, surely. |
| 01:40.37 | pwnguin | i preordered with newegg |
| 01:41.17 | pwnguin | 559, free shipping no sales tax |
| 01:41.59 | Xisdibik | im trying to see which place might actualy get it first |
| 01:42.25 | Xisdibik | as some of the stuff on the forums makes it sound like Amazon and the like are getting their shipments way late, and Dell will be sending it sooner |
| 01:43.03 | pwnguin | they'll probably all get it at the same time |
| 01:43.31 | pwnguin | newegg shows it ships on the 30th, and dell was saying you'd recieve a few days later |
| 01:44.22 | pwnguin | but i thougt dell took their order page down |
| 01:45.21 | pwnguin | hmm. theres a rebate listed at amazon |
| 01:46.46 | Xisdibik | hopefully |
| 01:46.53 | Xisdibik | i dont want to get my phone way later than other people |
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| 01:47.20 | pwnguin | you already have |
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| 01:47.32 | pwnguin | theres like 300 people with n900s out there already |
| 01:48.04 | Xisdibik | im talking about retail ones |
| 01:48.13 | Xisdibik | im 100% ok with GeneralAntilles having a N900 before me ;) |
| 01:48.45 | SpeedEvil | dell? |
| 01:48.49 | SpeedEvil | Selling the n900? |
| 01:48.55 | pwnguin | yes |
| 01:49.00 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 01:49.04 | Xisdibik | dell is apparently the "only authorized dealer" in USA |
| 01:49.07 | w00t_ | SpeedEvil: have you been living in a cave? :p |
| 01:49.07 | pwnguin | it was in the magazine they sent |
| 01:49.10 | Xisdibik | besides nokiaUSA |
| 01:49.10 | SpeedEvil | Do they sell random computer stuff? |
| 01:49.14 | johnx | yes |
| 01:49.28 | SpeedEvil | w00t_: I have - for obvious reasons - not been researching the US retail market. |
| 01:49.32 | pwnguin | dell sells monitors, video games other crap now |
| 01:49.42 | w00t_ | SpeedEvil: sure, but neither am I |
| 01:49.47 | w00t_ | (given that I live in the UK) |
| 01:49.56 | pwnguin | it was quite a deal |
| 01:50.02 | w00t_ | http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:mbNkzRN1CnsJ:accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Wireless_Phones_Requiring_Activation/productdetail.aspx%3Fc%3Dus%26l%3Den%26cs%3D19%26sku%3DA3076016+dell+n900&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk |
| 01:50.18 | pwnguin | 599.99 and came with a 15 percent off coupon, and discover does 10 percent cash back through dell |
| 01:55.19 | GeneralAntilles | Venture Bros season 4 is amazing. |
| 01:56.33 | pwnguin | 1, 2, and 3 were not? |
| 01:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | They were, season 4 is even better, however. |
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| 02:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, good, Python is opitfied now. |
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| 03:18.03 | johnx | sooo, am I being dumb or does n900wallpapers.com not include the .desktop file that makes it a "pack"? |
| 03:20.32 | Xisdibik | i must be really dumb then since i have no idea what your talking about :D |
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| 03:21.09 | johnx | the n900 has the concept of "wallpaper packs" that include 4 wallpapers, one for each desktop |
| 03:21.22 | smackpotato | what does this mean |
| 03:21.29 | smackpotato | lock -> 127.0.0.1:+1896 |
| 03:21.54 | johnx | smackpotato, a little context? |
| 03:21.59 | smackpotato | ok its a link to a socket is my guess |
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| 03:22.47 | smackpotato | from ls ~/mozzila/microb |
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| 03:23.16 | johnx | is it the current PID? |
| 03:23.23 | smackpotato | pid |
| 03:23.31 | smackpotato | ? |
| 03:23.44 | johnx | process ID |
| 03:24.03 | smackpotato | i sec |
| 03:24.11 | smackpotato | 1 sec |
| 03:24.27 | mzz | that's a symlink using the ip and pid as "target" (it's a trick) |
| 03:24.52 | mzz | it's not a link to a socket or something like that, it's a lockfile of sorts |
| 03:25.21 | mzz | (presumably it's a symlink instead of an actual file because you can create those atomically) |
| 03:25.53 | smackpotato | so it disapears when microb is off |
| 03:26.00 | johnx | you can't 'touch' atomically? |
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| 03:27.28 | smackpotato | im trying to put all that directory on a ram drive to see if it speeds up microb |
| 03:27.59 | smackpotato | i think i have it now |
| 03:28.00 | mzz | johnx: yes, but you can't touch *and* write something identifying yourself into a lockfile atomically |
| 03:28.16 | mzz | johnx: so if two instances try to write the lockfile at the same time there's a race condition |
| 03:29.05 | johnx | ah, cool :) |
| 03:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, they don't |
| 03:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, since normal people don't know how to install those. |
| 03:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, but PR1.1 should allow you to use really wide images instead. |
| 03:37.27 | johnx | <_< |
| 03:37.29 | johnx | >_> |
| 03:37.56 | johnx | in the interim, xarchiver+zipfile seems like a great alternative |
| 03:38.22 | GeneralAntilles | I was recommending pushing big desktop packages to Extras. |
| 03:39.04 | johnx | I don't see why both methods can't coexist happily |
| 03:39.35 | GeneralAntilles | Just sayin' |
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| 03:42.37 | Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: are you building any apps yourself (just curious) |
| 03:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 03:43.12 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't really do developer stuff. |
| 03:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | I'm a community, documentation, web, bullshit guy. |
| 03:44.05 | Xisdibik | gotcha, still helpful from what ive seen of you :D |
| 03:47.14 | johnx | durrr...my mental capacity is rapidly dropping below the ability to edit simple text files |
| 03:47.45 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, time to get more sleep. |
| 03:47.53 | johnx | I already slept once this week |
| 03:48.00 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 03:48.02 | johnx | I should be good for at least another couple days |
| 03:48.02 | GeneralAntilles | That explains it. |
| 03:48.17 | johnx | yeah, too much sleep, not enough stimutacs |
| 03:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | W |
| 03:48.34 | GeneralAntilles | T |
| 03:48.34 | GeneralAntilles | F |
| 03:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 03:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/3/31/All_bobbleheads.jpg |
| 03:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5783 |
| 03:48.40 | povbot | Bug 5783: Smooth scrolling not active using arrow keys until current page tapped |
| 03:48.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, whore, slow clipboard. |
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| 03:49.55 | GeneralAntilles | Why is Nokia too good to use frickin' ctrl-l? |
| 03:50.11 | johnx | wait for it, wait for it: "not discoverable" |
| 03:50.22 | Xisdibik | whats ctrl-l |
| 03:50.25 | johnx | either that or they drank the firefox-mobile koolaid |
| 03:50.28 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, and ctrl-shift-* are? ;) |
| 03:50.39 | johnx | Xisdibik, go over to your browser and hit ctrl+L |
| 03:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, focuses on the address bar in nearly every browser since the stoneage? |
| 03:50.49 | johnx | not IE :) |
| 03:50.55 | GeneralAntilles | Nearly every |
| 03:51.08 | GeneralAntilles | and I've been using that shortcut (well, cmd-l) since System 7. |
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| 03:51.12 | Xisdibik | selects the URL box and highlights everything in it? |
| 03:51.17 | johnx | in IE it pops up the annoying URL entry box of annoyingness. still pretty close though |
| 03:51.21 | Xisdibik | didnt know that |
| 03:51.24 | Xisdibik | good to know thanks!Q |
| 03:51.28 | johnx | Xisdibik, yup. very handy :) |
| 03:51.28 | Xisdibik | -Q |
| 03:51.48 | GeneralAntilles | and bugs like this, folks, are why we don't want more Nokia-controlled applications. |
| 03:52.10 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, hey, they said they'd be opening the browser more. is there source for all of it now? |
| 03:52.18 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, no. |
| 03:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I dunno what the story is there. |
| 03:52.23 | johnx | :( |
| 03:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | More broken promises, presumably. |
| 03:52.37 | johnx | ...aaaaand, back to tear :) |
| 03:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 03:52.44 | GeneralAntilles | Tear is broken. |
| 03:52.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's just another set of irritating bugs to deal with. |
| 03:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | At least I'm used to the MicroB ones. |
| 03:52.58 | johnx | browsers take a *long* time to mature |
| 03:53.17 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, no, you *were* used to the microb problems, but there are new ones with each release :> |
| 03:53.22 | Xisdibik | hey GeneralAntilles what OS are you using atm? |
| 03:53.29 | GeneralAntilles | OS X |
| 03:53.42 | Xisdibik | bah, shoulda seen that coming :P |
| 03:54.13 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, did I tell you about my planned 'iMac abomination'? I can't remember ... |
| 03:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | Twice now. :P |
| 03:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | Sleep. |
| 03:54.41 | johnx | heh |
| 03:55.07 | johnx | I got that file edited at least |
| 03:55.07 | Xisdibik | johnx: what iMac abomination, i want to hear |
| 03:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's like Nokia's UI people are all on drugs. |
| 03:56.04 | johnx | Xisdibik, I want to take a beagleboard, and stick it in the base of a G4 iMac (the iLamp one), along with a couple beefy 9-cell laptop batteries for power |
| 03:56.54 | Xisdibik | and then do what with it? |
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| 03:57.56 | johnx | maybe put it in the kitchen for recipes? hadn't really thought that far ahead |
| 03:58.03 | johnx | basically thinking light inet surfing |
| 03:58.13 | GeneralAntilles | Sleep. |
| 03:58.32 | johnx | just reflashed, getting set back up ... |
| 03:59.12 | Xisdibik | johnx: what do you need all the batteries for, would u move it around alot or something? |
| 03:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | restored a backup. |
| 03:59.49 | johnx | Xisdibik, weight |
| 04:00.09 | johnx | yeah, also being able to move it without worrying about it |
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| 04:02.17 | pwnguin | translate_tts?q=Sweet zombie Jesus!&tl=en |
| 04:02.20 | pwnguin | doh |
| 04:02.31 | pwnguin | http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?q=Sweet%20zombie%20Jesus!&tl=en |
| 04:03.02 | johnx | wow...can it do stt? |
| 04:03.43 | pwnguin | i donno. its about time someone redid tts |
| 04:04.07 | pwnguin | i actually took a look at the source corpus for the festival stuff |
| 04:04.21 | pwnguin | its obvious why it's terrible now. |
| 04:04.54 | pwnguin | their initial recording quality wasn't very good. |
| 04:05.55 | pwnguin | problem is, it's a massive pita to re-record |
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| 04:07.07 | johnx | mmm...pita |
| 04:07.11 | johnx | sleeps now |
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| 04:08.11 | Xisdibik | night johnx |
| 04:14.10 | Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: you sleeping as well yet? |
| 04:14.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's only 11:14 |
| 04:14.26 | GeneralAntilles | PM |
| 04:18.01 | Xisdibik | east coaster! |
| 04:18.06 | Xisdibik | Canada? |
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| 04:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 04:25.19 | GeneralAntilles | Canada sucks. |
| 04:27.12 | Xisdibik | haha |
| 04:27.18 | Xisdibik | United States of Whatever? |
| 04:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | Florida |
| 04:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | United Statse of Florida |
| 04:37.24 | Xisdibik | hehe |
| 04:37.29 | Xisdibik | class over |
| 04:37.31 | Xisdibik | heading home |
| 04:37.50 | dmj726 | anyway to access files on the system partition via the file manager? |
| 04:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 04:43.30 | dmj726 | okay...xterm works too. |
| 04:43.55 | dmj726 | I'm evaluating how well n900 will work for a little quick on the go hacking. |
| 04:48.25 | dmj726 | Seems like a bit of python hacking would be doable. |
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| 05:12.07 | GeneralAntilles | dmj726, Khertan does his programming almost exclussively on the N810. |
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| 06:37.40 | kirma | t.m.o seems to be playground for folks with attention span comparable to a fruit fly these days |
| 06:38.09 | kirma | no intent to insult fruit flies... |
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| 06:41.02 | kirma | I must admit I'm intrigued to have any hint of when my N900 might arrive, but good God, that forum behavior is childish. |
| 06:41.48 | tigert | heh |
| 06:42.01 | tigert | its the same with any forum |
| 06:42.25 | tigert | the critical mass of people brings in the adhd |
| 06:42.26 | inz | tigert, "you too the feet out of my mouth" |
| 06:42.58 | tigert | :) |
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| 06:43.28 | RST38h | kirma: Just ignore anyone with join date >=Sep2009 |
| 06:43.37 | RST38h | You won't get that many false positives |
| 06:45.20 | kirma | well, I haven't even joined the forum... unless some ancient account has been transferred to it |
| 06:46.01 | kirma | just lurking around since haven't had much to say, or even much to ask, want to get the device first... |
| 06:46.47 | tigert | i think garage accounts work there too? |
| 06:47.03 | tigert | you just need to login there too afair |
| 06:48.16 | kirma | well, I mean - I might have *some* account from early 770 times. |
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| 06:49.23 | kirma | these things called "work" and "life" just take so much time and energy that I haven't been overly eager to rampage in again ;) |
| 06:50.48 | tigert | yeah |
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| 06:54.24 | tekojo | tigert garage account works where? |
| 06:55.06 | tekojo | for now talk and garage use separate accounts, we are looking at single sign on for everything, but it requires a lot of work |
| 06:56.36 | tigert | oh |
| 06:56.52 | tigert | ok |
| 06:56.59 | tigert | maybe i remember wrong then |
| 06:58.09 | tekojo | it's in the works, but we haven't been vocal about it, should talk more in talk about it |
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| 07:22.18 | tigert | ok |
| 07:22.37 | tigert | maybe i just created another account with same credentials there then |
| 07:22.50 | tigert | or bergie made me into a guineapig :) |
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| 08:49.09 | Khertan | Ouch i fear this morning when i see a rescuing software update when rebooting my n900 |
| 08:49.26 | Khertan | hendry: using a real router ... |
| 08:49.37 | Khertan | hendry: i didn't have any problem |
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| 08:52.58 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:53.53 | RST38h | EHLO, Sts, Jaffa, lardman, Khertan |
| 08:53.57 | Jaffa | Khertan: Going to finish/continue work on mSaber? |
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| 08:56.12 | Khertan | Jaffa: not yet ... but i ll ... |
| 08:56.20 | Jaffa | 's son loves it |
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| 08:56.36 | Khertan | Jaffa: currently the planning is to finish PyGTKEditor before |
| 08:56.48 | Khertan | to be able to edit code easily :) |
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| 08:57.59 | Khertan | but i ve still some error in the code syntax hilight ... |
| 08:58.29 | Jaffa | :( |
| 08:58.48 | Khertan | someone know what is this red message displayed at startup saying restoring last software update ? |
| 08:58.54 | Khertan | i got this, this morning |
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| 08:59.09 | Khertan | but i don't know why |
| 08:59.33 | wazd | heya all |
| 08:59.42 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 09:00.09 | Stskeeps | morning wazd |
| 09:04.38 | Anidel | morning all |
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| 09:07.36 | wazd | Anidel: heya |
| 09:07.53 | Anidel | hey wazd |
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| 09:09.32 | Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6219 |
| 09:09.33 | povbot | Bug 6219: Modest doesn't take care of preferences for automatic update |
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| 09:13.49 | Stskeeps | http://icu64.blogspot.com/2009/09/first-public-release-of-icu64frodo.html - neat |
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| 09:16.33 | alterego | My girlfriend wants to buy me my N900 .. |
| 09:16.42 | alterego | I can't let her spend that much on me that's insanel |
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| 09:17.10 | Myrtti | feels insane, plans to buy one for herself |
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| 09:20.45 | alterego | She's not interested in my gadgets :P |
| 09:21.00 | alterego | She just knows I really want one and I don't think she has any good ideas for Christmas. |
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| 09:21.53 | Lynoure | alterego: let her decide? |
| 09:21.55 | crashanddie | "[09:20] <alterego> She's not interested in my gadgets :P" <-- poor you. |
| 09:22.06 | crashanddie | (btw, that sentence sounded so wrong on so many levels) |
| 09:22.32 | Lynoure | alterego: maybe she can get you a gift certificate for the part of it |
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| 09:22.52 | alterego | Lynoure: yeah, I was thinking that. |
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| 09:38.14 | VDVsx | wazd, ping |
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| 09:38.54 | pupnik_ | we shoulÃd try that lightweight caching dns client |
| 09:39.14 | pupnik_ | i am having to hit enter 3-1w times to get a site to load |
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| 09:39.20 | pupnik_ | 3-12 |
| 09:39.32 | johnx | pupnik_, hmm? on your n900? |
| 09:39.38 | pupnik_ | yup |
| 09:39.42 | johnx | so you want to try something like dnsmasq? |
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| 09:39.50 | pupnik_ | mhm |
| 09:39.58 | johnx | you're already using dnsmasq |
| 09:40.00 | johnx | next question |
| 09:40.08 | pupnik_ | k |
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| 09:40.13 | johnx | :) |
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| 09:40.26 | RST38h | moo pupnik, johnx, VDVsx |
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| 09:40.43 | pupnik_ | if i oing a site twice, the dns lookup happens once? |
| 09:40.46 | pupnik_ | ping |
| 09:40.51 | pupnik_ | moo |
| 09:40.58 | pupnik_ | pingmoo |
| 09:41.07 | VDVsx | morning RST38h :) |
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| 09:41.11 | pupnik_ | alias moo=ping |
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| 09:41.24 | pupnik_ | johnx: ? |
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| 09:41.45 | johnx | pupnik_, dunno |
| 09:41.55 | johnx | might want to look at how dnsmasq is configured |
| 09:42.02 | johnx | but I assumed it has at least a small dns cache |
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| 09:42.09 | johnx | no reason to use it otherwise |
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| 09:42.12 | pupnik_ | that is the behavior i want -- cached, selectable expiration delay |
| 09:42.18 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 09:42.39 | pupnik_ | will putter |
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| 09:42.52 | johnx | yeah, dnsmasq is upstream. worth looking at there site for config options |
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| 09:44.07 | wazd | VDVsx: pong |
| 09:45.47 | VDVsx | wazd, do you still have plans to attend the barcelona long week ? |
| 09:45.54 | VDVsx | you're not registered :p |
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| 09:53.44 | wazd | VDVsx: nope, no documents :) |
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| 09:54.05 | VDVsx | wazd, oh :( |
| 09:55.44 | Shapeshifter | What does the n900 need hal for? |
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| 09:56.22 | RST38h | for the red light |
| 09:56.49 | pupnik_ | how cool is this, dnsmasq on N900? very cool. |
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| 10:00.36 | pupnik_ | ahh the cache honours time to live information. might explain why google.com gives new ip each (or most) ping |
| 10:00.47 | pupnik_ | ip addr |
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| 10:12.37 | lardman | jeremiah: sorry, didn't have time last night to upload the pocketsphinx stuff, will try to do it at lunch time |
| 10:14.21 | lardman | wonders why people still cling to the complicated "press home button, tweak your ear" instructions for flashing <=N810 devices..... |
| 10:15.58 | Shapeshifter | RST38h: for the red light? |
| 10:16.26 | Shapeshifter | uhm, reference to hal/dave? |
| 10:16.55 | Shapeshifter | I mean, hal is mostly needed for hotplugging hardware, but the n900 does that just about never. |
| 10:17.08 | Shapeshifter | specially as it doesn't do usb host mode. |
| 10:17.58 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth I spose |
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| 10:56.27 | ensi | anyone know how to get kinetic scolling/finger scrolling to work with Qt on Maemo 5, qt 4.3. I found this http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt/Finger_Scrolling but it doesn't appear to do a anything. I tried setting these properties both on the app/widget/window but nothing really changes. |
| 11:01.19 | gnuton | ensi: Qt packages in SDK are old and there is no Kinetic scroll there |
| 11:02.38 | ensi | is this in qt 4.6 ? |
| 11:02.44 | gnuton | ensi: no Qt 4.5 |
| 11:02.54 | gnuton | ensi: Qt 4.6 doesn't have kinetic scrolling yet |
| 11:03.13 | gnuton | ensi: you can get latest Qt 4.5 pkgs from here: deb http://pug.altervista.org/maemo fremantle extras |
| 11:04.23 | gnuton | ensi: more info at http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt/Packages |
| 11:04.33 | hrw | morning |
| 11:04.39 | gnuton | hi hrw |
| 11:04.48 | ensi | 4.6 appears to have kinetic scrolling |
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| 11:05.53 | Jaffa | RST38h: You've referred to the "anonymous voting hole" on maemo.org/downloads/. Do you know what mechanism is used for anonymous voting? |
| 11:06.35 | hrw | heh... still n900 is not shipped |
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| 11:06.54 | shuduo | anyone know how to build maemo 5 sdk from source? |
| 11:08.50 | timeless_mbp | shuduo: eh? |
| 11:09.07 | timeless_mbp | 1. get gcc. to download sources to apt |
| 11:09.10 | timeless_mbp | 3. build apt |
| 11:09.12 | shuduo | timeless_mbp, i mean, is there a guide to direct me how to build it from source |
| 11:09.14 | timeless_mbp | 4. waste days |
| 11:09.17 | Khertan | does there is a way to know what is the guys which always vote thumb down on maemo.org/news ? |
| 11:09.21 | timeless_mbp | 4 takes quite a while |
| 11:09.41 | timeless_mbp | Khertan: aww, respect their right to privacy! |
| 11:09.49 | Stskeeps | for those who are compiling stuff for N8x0 initfs: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3373#c20 |
| 11:09.49 | timeless_mbp | antiprivacy dudes suck :) |
| 11:09.50 | povbot | Bug 3373: please provide Diablo uclibc/eabi toolchain for building stuff for initfs |
| 11:10.00 | Khertan | hum ... but stupid voting sucks too |
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| 11:10.58 | timeless_mbp | lemmings are people too! |
| 11:11.09 | timeless_mbp | or are they lemmings? |
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| 11:11.32 | Khertan | hum ... i think it was something public in the profile on maemo.org ... but no |
| 11:11.38 | glass_ | people who take off their heads and explode like a bomb are no people |
| 11:12.12 | timeless_mbp | Khertan: iirc it was public |
| 11:12.28 | Khertan | "was" ... ok |
| 11:12.32 | timeless_mbp | glass_: aww, how dare you depersonalize people from the middle east |
| 11:12.47 | timeless_mbp | that's the same offense most people accuse them of doing to the rest of us |
| 11:13.44 | glass_ | well lemmings wear robes too |
| 11:14.07 | glass_ | i think it's an illuminati conspiracy |
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| 11:14.30 | Khertan | someone know what is this red message at startup : 'Restoring last software update : 80%' |
| 11:14.47 | Khertan | i got it this morning while rebooting |
| 11:14.56 | timeless_mbp | Khertan: you want to use enus1 |
| 11:14.58 | timeless_mbp | the string is better there |
| 11:15.05 | Khertan | enus1 ? |
| 11:20.19 | Shapeshifter | can one use xmodmap on maemo? |
| 11:20.49 | Shapeshifter | I'll probably receive an n900 with a swiss/german keyboard which omits the up and down keys for é/ä keys |
| 11:21.05 | Shapeshifter | and I want to remap them to act as arrows like on the US version. |
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| 11:22.23 | timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: there are definitely ways to do things |
| 11:22.35 | timeless_mbp | but my impression is that xmodmap doesn't normally work as people expect |
| 11:23.09 | Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: uhm, well, it does what I expect on normal machines, is it any different on maemo5? |
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| 11:23.47 | Shapeshifter | but, let's rephrase the question, can I globally map those umlaut buttons to arrows for all apps on the n900? |
| 11:24.17 | Lupu | There's a setting for the hardware keyboard layout directly in the GUI. |
| 11:24.39 | timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: you can pick any of the shipping hardware layouts |
| 11:24.50 | timeless_mbp | in case the English layout is more to your liking |
| 11:24.55 | Shapeshifter | Ah, I see. |
| 11:24.57 | mgedmin | what, no xmodmap for fremantle yet? |
| 11:25.01 | timeless_mbp | isn't sure how many differences the German layout has |
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| 11:25.15 | Veggen | mmm, I guess you can make your own custom Xkb. |
| 11:26.12 | hrw | question is: will user be able to select own keymap in preferences |
| 11:26.25 | hrw | under Maemo4 it is not possible without 3rdparty modules |
| 11:26.28 | Veggen | I did. however, on my n810 it was "weird". Something made me think they had done weird things in the code for the norwegian layout in difference to the german. |
| 11:26.36 | timeless_mbp | hrw: it's no different from maemo4 |
| 11:26.44 | hrw | timeless_mbp: fucking idiots |
| 11:26.46 | timeless_mbp | but again, you're talking about a thing which has a gui chooser |
| 11:26.51 | timeless_mbp | which maps to ~10 files |
| 11:27.06 | timeless_mbp | you're root, and you're free to canibalize however many of those files as you wish |
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| 11:27.06 | Veggen | you can just pick one of those and change it. |
| 11:27.11 | hrw | timeless_mbp: maemo4 has all keymaps in one file |
| 11:27.19 | timeless_mbp | one file, 10 files, whatever |
| 11:27.22 | timeless_mbp | you're still root |
| 11:27.26 | timeless_mbp | where's the file? :) |
| 11:27.45 | hrw | timeless_mbp: find /usr/share -name rx*44 |
| 11:28.25 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.34 | timeless_mbp | ok, so you just rewrite that file... i don't see a problem |
| 11:28.39 | timeless_mbp | again, you're still root |
| 11:28.48 | timeless_mbp | and the file is presumably well documented with compilers and decompilers |
| 11:28.52 | hrw | timeless_mbp: problem is - your changes will get lost on package updates |
| 11:29.00 | timeless_mbp | so you write a package |
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| 11:29.16 | hrw | timeless_mbp: with lot of conflicts with original system ones? |
| 11:29.17 | timeless_mbp | you're talking to someone who is maintaining a package that is self healing and replaces roughly 60 packages and 6000 strings |
| 11:29.24 | timeless_mbp | doesn't hurt my package. |
| 11:29.38 | timeless_mbp | install enus1 and play with it |
| 11:29.49 | timeless_mbp | oh, if you don't have fremantle, just dissect it |
| 11:29.59 | timeless_mbp | since the diablo one relied on a different approach |
| 11:30.30 | hrw | url? |
| 11:31.07 | mgedmin | hrw, dpkg-divert! |
| 11:31.15 | timeless_mbp | dpkg-divert = hell |
| 11:31.18 | mgedmin | maybe |
| 11:31.27 | timeless_mbp | is quite happy not using it |
| 11:31.35 | mgedmin | I've been shipping my own custom X keymap on desktops for a couple of years with dpkg-divert |
| 11:31.42 | mgedmin | then Xorg reorganized the xkb directory layout and it broke |
| 11:31.47 | timeless_mbp | rotfl |
| 11:31.51 | mgedmin | and I decided not to be contrarian and learn the upstream layout |
| 11:32.00 | timeless_mbp | 3 cheers for linux stabilitiy |
| 11:32.04 | timeless_mbp | s/tiy/ty/ |
| 11:32.26 | mgedmin | cheer! cheer! wait, I've got to fix 10 things broken by an upgrade ... okay now, cheer! |
| 11:34.16 | hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2899 was maemo4 - I hope that for maemo5 I will not have to reopen it |
| 11:34.20 | povbot | Bug 2899: List of hardware keyboard layouts is not expandable |
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| 11:41.39 | ccooke | Odd. |
| 11:41.55 | ccooke | seems to be having some little problems since updating to the release firmware |
| 11:42.17 | Stskeeps | flashed mmc too? |
| 11:42.17 | ccooke | things like the screen backlight turning on, but nothing appearing for anything up to a minute |
| 11:42.20 | ccooke | yes |
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| 11:43.21 | ccooke | I just had a phone call - it was about 10 seconds before I could actually answer it, because the phone was ringing but the screen was still in backlight-on-no-ui mode |
| 11:44.03 | Stskeeps | had browser open? |
| 11:44.09 | ccooke | nope |
| 11:44.14 | ccooke | I had one IM window |
| 11:44.43 | ccooke | I ended up rebooting the phone this morning, because it took more than a minute to turn on the UI |
| 11:45.23 | mgedmin | phone out of ram? |
| 11:45.25 | ccooke | (same problem: Backlight, no ui visible. Except that time it never came up |
| 11:45.34 | wazd | oh, my 2630 has the same bug :D |
| 11:45.54 | wazd | It rings but shows stand by screen :) |
| 11:45.56 | ccooke | ... yikes! |
| 11:46.02 | ccooke | 350M of swap in use?! |
| 11:46.06 | mgedmin | I've had similar symptos (bug 5712) but I was doing something specific to trigger it |
| 11:46.07 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5712 N900 goes into swap hell with frozen UI, despite free RAM |
| 11:46.09 | ccooke | this thing's only running a terminal! |
| 11:46.33 | mgedmin | interesting |
| 11:46.41 | mgedmin | normally it uses about 100--150 megs of swap |
| 11:47.01 | ccooke | I know |
| 11:47.03 | mgedmin | I've seen it use 250 megs of swap while the UI remained perfectly smooth and responsive |
| 11:47.05 | mgedmin | I was impressed |
| 11:47.14 | ccooke | and you'd expect less than 100 on a just-rebooted phone |
| 11:47.40 | ccooke | ... and there doesn't seem to be anything using up that much memory |
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| 11:48.04 | ccooke | Hmm. I put the problem down to the mail app this morning, but IIRC I didn't stop it updating mail until *after* the reboot |
| 11:48.09 | ccooke | I wonder if there's a leak |
| 11:48.27 | ccooke | reboots again, now that he can be sure it won't auto-refresh as soon as the device is back up |
| 11:48.50 | ccooke | Ow: |
| 11:48.55 | mgedmin | recommends vmstat as a tool to see what's happening |
| 11:49.20 | mgedmin | btw just after boot my n900 starts running the thumbnailer for a while with cpu at 100% |
| 11:49.25 | mgedmin | that goes away after a few minutes |
| 11:49.38 | mgedmin | presumably when it notices all those gigabytes of media files have already been thumbnailed |
| 11:49.47 | ccooke | Mem: total 245548, used: 236768, free: 8780, shared: 0, buffers: 4768 |
| 11:50.02 | ccooke | swap in use: 355448 |
| 11:50.41 | mgedmin | plans to reflash the new firmware soon |
| 11:50.54 | mgedmin | but backups etc. a hassle |
| 11:51.03 | ccooke | I have a strong feeling this is the email client |
| 11:51.12 | ccooke | Everything was fine until I set that up |
| 11:51.17 | ccooke | Soon know... |
| 11:51.38 | mgedmin | how many thousand emails in your inbox? |
| 11:51.58 | ccooke | 11 |
| 11:52.04 | ccooke | oh, no. 13.5 |
| 11:52.53 | ccooke | (but while the email app was horribly slow using the prerelease OS, it still *worked*) |
| 11:53.00 | ccooke | heh |
| 11:53.11 | ccooke | Fresh reboot: 178M of memory in use, no swap |
| 11:53.17 | ccooke | Nothing shared, though |
| 11:53.27 | aquatix | wow, 13.5k emails in an inbox? |
| 11:53.46 | wazd | Wow, 178mb on fresh start?! |
| 11:53.47 | aquatix | files those in imap folders |
| 11:53.48 | ccooke | I'm trying to recall if there was shared memory in use before - I'm sure I'd have noticed if not |
| 11:54.03 | ccooke | aquatix: so do I... Every year :-) |
| 11:54.11 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 11:54.27 | aquatix | i prefer doing it automatically and when i'm done with a certain task |
| 11:54.43 | frals | suggests doing that monthly instead ;) |
| 11:55.09 | mgedmin | some threads span months |
| 11:55.11 | ccooke | frals: that would mean tracking stuff was much harder. |
| 11:55.21 | RST38h | wazd: N900 comes with 256MB RAM + 512MB ROM |
| 11:55.29 | aquatix | mgedmin: those tend to live in folders then here :) |
| 11:55.29 | ccooke | No, I suggest using a mail client that actually works ;-) |
| 11:55.41 | aquatix | but everyone his own system of course |
| 11:55.46 | aquatix | ccooke: ghehe |
| 11:55.49 | mgedmin | RST38h, is that a quote from some clueless article? |
| 11:55.49 | aquatix | claws-mail \o/ |
| 11:55.52 | frals | Good point.. :P |
| 11:56.22 | wazd | RST38h: well, XP had smaller memory footprint on load :) |
| 11:56.22 | RST38h | mgedmin: No, it is the memory chip specs |
| 11:56.24 | RST38h | wazd: Well, it's Linux, open source! |
| 11:56.33 | mgedmin | 256 MB RAM + 256 MB NAND flash, yes |
| 11:56.41 | mgedmin | where is the 512 MB ROM hidden? |
| 11:56.41 | RST38h | mgedmin: Ok, I stand corrected then |
| 11:56.53 | RST38h | mgedmin: I mean NAND flash by ROM |
| 11:57.06 | kirma | what kernel N900 runs nowadays, .31? wasn't that supposed to handle swapping better? |
| 11:57.10 | Stskeeps | if it was 512mb nand, we wouldn't worry about opt |
| 11:57.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:57.14 | wazd | RST38h: ah, I forgot :D |
| 11:57.30 | mgedmin | just read an entertaining article exploring the differences of ROM and flash memory, among other things: http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/17_Mistakes_Microsoft_Made_in_the_Xbox_Security_System |
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| 11:57.49 | ccooke | aquatix: claws mail is better? |
| 11:58.00 | frals | kirma: isnt it .28 still? |
| 11:58.09 | ccooke | might try it |
| 11:58.18 | kirma | I don't know, thus asking :) |
| 11:58.25 | nomis | mgedmin: I was watching the talk they gave at the 22C3 conference. That was fun :) |
| 11:58.44 | frals | .31 would be nice, network namespaces \o/ |
| 11:59.26 | aquatix | ccooke: at least i love it on my n810 |
| 11:59.43 | aquatix | i don't have an n900 |
| 12:00.15 | ensi | gnuton: you know about this Qt 4.6.0 package? It looks like it is broken. QMap and QList are giving me linker errors. |
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| 12:01.09 | ccooke | aquatix: I'm not sure it's available yet |
| 12:01.15 | ccooke | I was planning to port mutt, myself :-) |
| 12:01.28 | ccooke | and integrate it, if I can |
| 12:01.34 | aquatix | heh :) |
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| 12:02.00 | aquatix | well, claws-mail is called a GUI mutt now and then; not really the same thing of course, but i really like the client |
| 12:02.09 | aquatix | use it on my big machines as well |
| 12:02.16 | ccooke | *nod* |
| 12:02.23 | gnuton | ensi: there is something broken in your installation. anyhow feel free to join #qt-maemo |
| 12:02.25 | ccooke | I don't use GUI clients when I can help it |
| 12:02.29 | aquatix | fair enough |
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| 12:02.49 | aquatix | but they did an interesting job for the n8x0 |
| 12:03.48 | frals | God I hate public transportation in stockholm at times |
| 12:03.59 | RST38h | mgedmin: It *is* FlashROM after all =) |
| 12:04.44 | ensi | gnuton: i think its the package that is broken. |
| 12:04.49 | mgedmin | is mutt directly on the nxx0 better than mutt over ssh? |
| 12:05.06 | mgedmin | mutt's imap facilities seemed a tad slow to me when I tried it on my laptop |
| 12:05.10 | gnuton | ensi: Maybe I didn't tried those packages yet |
| 12:05.15 | wazd | frals: God is a jerk that breaks t.m.o. forums, what do you want :D |
| 12:05.23 | mgedmin | I used ssh mymailserver + mutt on my n8x0 |
| 12:05.38 | frals | wazd: haha :D |
| 12:05.44 | mgedmin | modest on the n900 is actually more convenient than ssh + mutt for me, for the first time |
| 12:05.51 | mgedmin | kudos to modest devs! |
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| 12:18.08 | tbf | ccooke: aquatix: 13.5k emails in inbox are easy to achieve thanks to all those spamers |
| 12:18.22 | tbf | but most of them should be hidden and marked as spam |
| 12:18.49 | tbf | mail is dead. |
| 12:23.36 | aquatix | tbf: myeah, my spam is filtered away to a spam folder on my server |
| 12:24.28 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: 'he complete Xbox source code has leaked, including the kernel and libraries source.' diddn't know that -f un |
| 12:24.42 | aquatix | wow |
| 12:24.46 | aquatix | SpeedEvil: link? |
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| 12:25.21 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin's link of a few mins ago |
| 12:25.40 | SpeedEvil | this is however the classic xbox |
| 12:25.42 | aquatix | ah right |
| 12:25.47 | Stskeeps | still, interesting :P |
| 12:25.57 | aquatix | oh, that article |
| 12:25.57 | mgedmin | nobody cares about 16-bit DOS :-) |
| 12:26.04 | aquatix | knew that one already :) |
| 12:26.04 | mgedmin | oops, wrong channel |
| 12:26.07 | aquatix | good stuff though |
| 12:26.13 | aquatix | mgedmin: true though ;) |
| 12:26.18 | SpeedEvil | Wrong channel? |
| 12:26.28 | SpeedEvil | Oh - you mean you're not coding a n900 xbox emulator? :( |
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| 12:27.06 | lbt_ | has anyone used gnokii on the N900? |
| 12:27.32 | lbt_ | or any other sync for contact info to alinux desktop? |
| 12:27.37 | wazd | Wee! I've found a charger for my Jabra BT500! |
| 12:28.08 | wazd | Sexiest handsfree ever :) |
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| 12:29.09 | aquatix | jabra is nice; i'm happy with my BT5010 |
| 12:30.04 | SpeedEvil | remembers the bluetooth 'device' - that may be sexier. |
| 12:30.19 | SpeedEvil | http://thetoy.co.uk/ - not worksafe. |
| 12:31.56 | aquatix | SpeedEvil: then why do you post it now :( |
| 12:32.02 | aquatix | is tempted |
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| 12:37.57 | hrw | SpeedEvil: ;DDD |
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| 12:40.19 | aquatix | hey, i've had that cellphone |
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| 12:46.22 | timeless_mbp | hrw: odd, 2899 is "fixed" but w/o an internal bug reference or a changeset/debian package id |
| 12:47.02 | timeless_mbp | oh hrm |
| 12:47.05 | timeless_mbp | interesting |
| 12:47.11 | timeless_mbp | ok, let's install ukeyboard and see what happens |
| 12:47.42 | hrw | timeless_mbp: it is "LETSGETRIDOFTHEBUG" resolution not "FIXED" |
| 12:47.47 | Lynoure | I could not figure out ukeyboard... |
| 12:47.55 | Lynoure | Like how to change the layouts. |
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| 12:48.36 | hrw | Lynoure: it is in docs and on ukeyboard website |
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| 12:50.51 | Lynoure | hrw: even after browsing http://repo.or.cz/w/ukeyboard.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/doc/howto |
| 12:52.08 | hrw | Lynoure: to select other layout: simple run control panel and select layout to have other. to change layout (or add new) you need to learn XKB |
| 12:53.23 | Lynoure | hrw: Already learned xkb some years back. :) |
| 12:53.56 | hrw | so change /usr/share/xkb/ukeyboard file or sth like that |
| 12:54.51 | Lynoure | hrw: I'm hoping to change the symbols on-screen kb only... |
| 12:55.06 | hrw | Lynoure: onscreen keyboard is other package |
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| 12:56.11 | Lynoure | hrw: Do you happen to remember the name? |
| 12:59.39 | hrw | normally I would say 'matchbox-keyboard' but on hildon it has other name iirc |
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| 13:09.17 | timeless_mbp | odd |
| 13:09.27 | CoreFusion- | is back |
| 13:09.30 | timeless_mbp | my control panel now says Text Input (ukeyboard) |
| 13:09.41 | InformatiQ | is neils X-Fade here? |
| 13:09.52 | timeless_mbp | supposedly he went on vacation |
| 13:09.57 | timeless_mbp | which is a crime against the community |
| 13:10.49 | Stskeeps | after being without one for quite a while, i don't blame him :P |
| 13:11.46 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 13:11.51 | timeless_mbp | so, ukeyboard seems to "work" |
| 13:12.02 | timeless_mbp | in that it does *something* to my control panel app |
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| 13:12.23 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure what yet |
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| 13:14.08 | andre__ | feri, at least here you send emails from the future (one hour ahead) :-) |
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| 13:14.30 | AndrewFBlack | wish I could tell which apps were going to install to /opt and which didn't |
| 13:14.53 | feri | andre__: really? hmm. have to check it, my clock show the right value though. sorry about it. |
| 13:15.02 | feri | s/show/shows |
| 13:15.12 | timeless_mbp | AndrewFBlack: easy enough to do... |
| 13:15.22 | timeless_mbp | apt-get install --download-only |
| 13:15.42 | andre__ | feri, "Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:45:28 +0100" in the message source here |
| 13:15.50 | timeless_mbp | dpkg-dev ... |
| 13:16.20 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, k |
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| 13:21.54 | feri | andre__: yeah, i need to adjust my clock and come back from the future, thanks for noticing it ;) |
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| 13:27.53 | lardman|home | so does flashing the eMMC wipe the whole thing this time round? |
| 13:28.59 | ccooke | lardman|home: yes |
| 13:29.28 | mgedmin | thank you for asking and answering the question of great interest to me |
| 13:29.57 | mgedmin | writing data to eMMC is very very slow |
| 13:30.14 | mgedmin | although maybe that's because I did it over sshfs over wifi... |
| 13:30.15 | ccooke | mgedmin: took about 2-3 minutes |
| 13:30.29 | mgedmin | I'm just thinking: I transferred 8 gigs of multimedia into my mmc |
| 13:30.37 | mgedmin | I'm not too keen on repeating that |
| 13:30.42 | lardman|home | ccooke: thanks |
| 13:30.46 | mgedmin | so I think I'll pass on the eMMC flash |
| 13:30.56 | mgedmin | it doesn't seem to contain anything interesting anyway |
| 13:31.00 | lardman|home | also means you lose ~/MyDocs |
| 13:31.03 | lardman|home | if you flash |
| 13:31.07 | lardman|home | I think.... |
| 13:31.13 | lardman|home | or is that the other mount? |
| 13:31.17 | mgedmin | do you lose /home too? |
| 13:31.29 | mgedmin | there are three partitions on eMMC: /home, /home/MyDocs, swap |
| 13:31.37 | lardman|home | ah |
| 13:31.38 | ccooke | you lose all of them |
| 13:31.43 | mgedmin | ext3, vfat, swap |
| 13:31.50 | mgedmin | ok |
| 13:32.01 | mgedmin | the eMMC image is interesting |
| 13:32.09 | mgedmin | if you flasher-3.5 -u it, you get a raw VFAT image |
| 13:32.19 | mgedmin | that weighs ~250 megs, but if you mount -o loop, you see it as a 4 gb filesystem |
| 13:32.34 | mgedmin | the partition itself is 27 gb |
| 13:32.47 | timeless_mbp | so... |
| 13:32.48 | mgedmin | I'm not sure how this all works -- 250 meg image? 4gb loop? 27gb partition? |
| 13:32.50 | timeless_mbp | re ukeyboard |
| 13:32.57 | mgedmin | is the flasher resizing the fs? |
| 13:32.59 | timeless_mbp | i still don't quite understand what it does |
| 13:33.08 | ccooke | mgedmin: the image contains a lot of empty space. |
| 13:33.13 | timeless_mbp | but i think it's safe to say that "no, this was not at all fixed by Nokia, and is still totally broken" |
| 13:33.23 | lardman|home | crosses fingers and hopes he's backed everything up |
| 13:33.25 | ccooke | timeless_mbp: what's broken? |
| 13:34.15 | timeless_mbp | ccooke: the fact that ukeyboard has to actually replace the text input control panel |
| 13:34.17 | mgedmin | ccooke, but it's not a sparse file, ls -l shows the size of the image being 246950912 bytes |
| 13:34.25 | timeless_mbp | means that maemo doesn't actually support what it wants to do |
| 13:35.11 | timeless_mbp | i'm actually fairly impressed by what it manages to do |
| 13:35.15 | timeless_mbp | it's pretty cool |
| 13:35.21 | timeless_mbp | not perfect, but pretty cool |
| 13:35.32 | mgedmin | still hasn't figured out how to use ukeyboard |
| 13:35.39 | ccooke | mgedmin: filesystem header says it's a 4g fs, there's only data for the first 250M, it gets dumped onto part of a 27Gb FS? |
| 13:35.42 | mgedmin | would be nice if it shipped with a sample layout, and loaded that one by default on startup |
| 13:35.46 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: open the control panel |
| 13:35.50 | timeless_mbp | open text input |
| 13:35.59 | hrw | mgedmin: by default it uses maemo ones + own ones |
| 13:36.00 | timeless_mbp | the title will say {localized "Text Input"} (ukeyboard) |
| 13:36.13 | mgedmin | timeless_mbp, sorry, I meant the ukeyboard creator, not ukeyboard itself |
| 13:36.16 | timeless_mbp | the menus inside the control panel have extra content |
| 13:36.21 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 13:37.12 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: presumably you can apt-get source the ukeyboard package for the sources to their layouts, no? :) |
| 13:37.48 | mgedmin | yeah |
| 13:37.49 | lardman|home | so the legacy update is to be flashed instead of the one we can download? |
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| 13:39.28 | alterego | It has a built in FM transmitter? |
| 13:39.36 | alterego | The N900? What about reciever? |
| 13:39.41 | lardman|home | yes to both |
| 13:39.44 | alterego | Nice |
| 13:40.45 | alterego | Shame it doesn't have HDMI out:) |
| 13:40.50 | tekojo | lardman|home you have an "older" device? |
| 13:41.00 | lardman|home | tekojo: yes |
| 13:41.17 | tekojo | then you go legacy |
| 13:41.33 | lardman|home | tekojo: from what I read, I was thinking just the x-loader needed to be flashed, but yeah, I've just flashed the whole thing |
| 13:41.52 | lardman|home | didn't have much time to read the mails this week |
| 13:42.15 | alterego | Are there hardware differences between the regional models? (not including the keypad) |
| 13:43.02 | lardman|home | alterego: no, regional stuff is done in sw |
| 13:43.07 | lardman|home | afaiu |
| 13:43.28 | alterego | Ah, cool. |
| 13:43.32 | tekojo | alterego no, the keyboard should be it |
| 13:43.51 | alterego | So, in theory I could by a US model and use it in the UK |
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| 13:43.56 | alterego | I just need to reflash it? |
| 13:44.01 | alterego | ~buy |
| 13:44.33 | Stskeeps | might be some regulatory stuff |
| 13:44.47 | lardman|home | Stskeeps: I thought that was done in the sw/firmware |
| 13:44.53 | alterego | That's what I was thinking, |
| 13:45.02 | Stskeeps | lardman|home: if flasher updates the CAL area for it, maybe.. |
| 13:45.05 | Stskeeps | doesn't actually know |
| 13:45.39 | alterego | Would the CAL area be where provider locks are stored? Because I doubt it in that case ;) |
| 13:45.41 | lardman|home | yeah, good point |
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| 13:47.29 | lardman|home | wonders if there are really any problems with restoring settings..... |
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| 13:55.00 | lardman|home | reinstalling apps for the first time in a long time, I once again curse HAM for not allowing multiple selections, or bg installs |
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| 13:57.33 | tigert | rootsh and apt-get :) |
| 13:58.11 | lardman|home | tigert: yeah, but if I want to go down the list and install stuff, a ui is useful |
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| 13:59.55 | alterego | lardman|home: you could have backed-up a list of installed applications, then supplied that to apt-get ;) |
| 14:00.12 | lardman|home | I know, but I was told to do a fresh install ;) |
| 14:00.14 | alterego | You could even create your own debian meta-package |
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| 14:00.33 | alterego | lardman-0.1.deb :P |
| 14:00.33 | lardman|home | yeah, not very useful for an end user mind you :D |
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| 14:00.57 | alterego | Well, it just has to be an empty project that depends on all the stuff you want ;) |
| 14:01.08 | alterego | s/project/package/ |
| 14:01.16 | lardman|home | I know that, but again, not a very useful thing for an end user |
| 14:02.33 | lardman|home | also curses the way the list forgets its position, have to install stuff from Z to A not vice versa to reduce scrolling |
| 14:03.10 | Lynoure | and how one can only select one at the time for install |
| 14:03.10 | alterego | IT used to remember position, have they removed that in maemo5 too? ^.^ |
| 14:03.17 | Lynoure | the combination is major suckness. |
| 14:03.22 | alterego | :/ |
| 14:03.25 | lardman|home | alterego: yep |
| 14:03.28 | alterego | bug report? |
| 14:03.44 | lardman|home | alterego: yeah I put one in, I'll look for the # |
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| 14:04.52 | Khertan | Hi ... |
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| 14:04.59 | lardman|home | hmm, can't seem to find it.... |
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| 14:05.32 | Khertan | does someone know why every one and the wiki is saying that maemo summit preproduction device emmc need to be flashed ? |
| 14:05.34 | Khertan | N900 users don't need to reflash the eMMC of their device. If you are reading this it's probably because you got a pre-production device e.g. in the Maemo Summit. If you have a sales unit and you have problems with your eMMC you should contact Nokia Care. |
| 14:05.39 | Khertan | ??? |
| 14:06.04 | Stskeeps | Khertan: because it should? :P |
| 14:06.08 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:06.15 | Khertan | not really ... |
| 14:06.31 | ccooke | Khertan: because they changed the eMMC between prerelease and release |
| 14:06.34 | Khertan | ? |
| 14:06.43 | Khertan | they change ? the content ? |
| 14:06.53 | Shapeshifter | I'm wondering about the latest rumour of nokia shipping n900 by boat from korea. doesn't hardware like this always get shipped by boat to the major continents? >.> |
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| 14:07.19 | Stskeeps | just imagine the horror if the ship sank.. |
| 14:07.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:07.28 | glass_ | somalian pirates |
| 14:07.32 | ccooke | Khertan: They changed some low-level stuff that can't be fixed in a seamless update. |
| 14:07.35 | Stskeeps | with 900s |
| 14:07.36 | Khertan | Stskeeps: it was already the case for apple and ipod : |
| 14:07.38 | Stskeeps | n900s |
| 14:07.45 | RST38h | God moving to high seas! |
| 14:07.51 | Shapeshifter | lol |
| 14:08.05 | Khertan | ccooke: oh really ? |
| 14:08.22 | ccooke | Khertan: It's only the pre-release devices that need the update |
| 14:08.32 | Khertan | ccooke: should i do it ? i've flashed the firmware but not the emmc |
| 14:08.38 | ccooke | I'm not sure what the changes are, but I can think of a few things it *might* be |
| 14:08.48 | tbf | Khertan: Stskeeps: nokia simply suggests replacing the eMMC because nobody tested of keeping it works |
| 14:08.52 | ccooke | for instance, if they changed the partition sizes a little |
| 14:09.09 | Khertan | tbf: ah ok ... |
| 14:09.16 | Khertan | tbf: thx ... |
| 14:09.38 | Khertan | so i should do it ... |
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| 14:09.48 | Khertan | just in case |
| 14:10.09 | tbf | Khertan: yes, would be better. |
| 14:10.24 | tbf | Khertan: if you flashed it and get trouble, you know for sure that nokia is to blame |
| 14:10.52 | Khertan | tbf: i ve already flashed it ... and didn't got any problem |
| 14:11.07 | Khertan | by flashed i mean the firmware not the emmc |
| 14:11.32 | lardman|home | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1148 needs to be reopened for Maemo 5 |
| 14:11.33 | povbot | Bug 1148: After successfull installation, app-manager selects the very first installable package |
| 14:11.43 | RST38h | yea |
| 14:11.44 | ccooke | Khertan: What if you have a problem in the future? |
| 14:11.57 | Khertan | ccooke: so i ll blame myself |
| 14:12.11 | ccooke | that's fair :-) |
| 14:12.23 | Khertan | yep |
| 14:12.32 | Khertan | as i didn't follow recommandation |
| 14:13.05 | ccooke | hmm |
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| 14:13.15 | rzr | hi |
| 14:13.23 | ccooke | *ages* ago, there was a page on the wiki tracking the bugs that would be fixed in fremantle |
| 14:13.47 | ccooke | (I'm talking late last year sometime, I think - probably not early this) |
| 14:13.54 | ccooke | Can't find the damn thing now, though |
| 14:14.02 | ccooke | is trying to double-check some stuff |
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| 14:15.45 | dneary | GAN900, Ping? |
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| 14:23.28 | lbt_ | I noticed the eMMC image had an older version than the other image... why's that? |
| 14:23.46 | lardman|home | just depends on which week it was made |
| 14:24.47 | Jaffa | lbt_: eMMC changes less frequently than the s/w |
| 14:24.48 | lbt_ | so version is more like "best before" date than "ingredients".... hmm |
| 14:24.53 | Khertan | ouch ... my python script is really long to backup my n900 compare to my n810 |
| 14:25.02 | Khertan | 32Go VS 2Go |
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| 14:25.12 | lbt_ | Jaffa: doesn't the eMMC contain the s/w ? |
| 14:25.22 | lbt_ | or do I need to do both ? |
| 14:25.24 | lardman|home | lbt_: maps |
| 14:25.30 | lardman|home | sw is in the main flash image |
| 14:25.56 | lbt_ | thought the eMMC was a complete 'disk' image including repartitioning |
| 14:25.56 | Khertan | if i understand flashing is done in two times |
| 14:26.02 | Khertan | so i don't think |
| 14:26.05 | lbt_ | Khertan: ah |
| 14:26.11 | lbt_ | that is *not* clear |
| 14:26.19 | Khertan | yep clearly not |
| 14:26.37 | Khertan | but i ll be able to confirm you in 30 minutes |
| 14:26.41 | lbt_ | heh |
| 14:26.51 | Khertan | (eta of my backup script) |
| 14:28.13 | lardman|home | is HAM developed in git? |
| 14:28.18 | Stskeeps | yes |
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| 14:29.31 | lardman|home | good |
| 14:30.02 | Khertan | noone have yet compile a git version useable on n900 and garage.maemo.org ? |
| 14:30.14 | lardman|home | of HAM? |
| 14:30.27 | lbt_ | So "Having flashed the eMMC you should now flash your device." |
| 14:30.44 | lardman|home | yeah |
| 14:30.47 | lardman|home | bbiab |
| 14:30.52 | RST38h | AFAIK you do not need to flash eMMC |
| 14:30.56 | RST38h | not this one anyway |
| 14:31.13 | lbt_ | is conflicted |
| 14:32.59 | lbt_ | quim said" |
| 14:33.00 | lbt_ | but it's very |
| 14:33.02 | lbt_ | important for those that got a pre-production device since they will |
| 14:33.04 | lbt_ | need to reflash the eMMC in order to get the N900 as it comes out of the |
| 14:33.05 | lbt_ | sales box. |
| 14:33.15 | lbt_ | is pre-production != summit |
| 14:33.38 | lbt_ | so pre-production == fremantle stars |
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| 14:35.55 | wazd | lbt_: wrong) |
| 14:36.08 | ShadowJK | I suspect that it's pre-optification |
| 14:36.22 | lopz | hey :p |
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| 14:38.05 | RST38h | lbt: Well, last fremantle stars eMMC already had /opt and I was told at the summit that I did not need to flash new eMMC |
| 14:38.18 | RST38h | lbt: The new eMMC image is the same time as the summit (41.10) |
| 14:39.13 | HKisd_wrk | hi, I updated the firmware to N900, but now extras-devel won't work, complains that there is no hash entry in Release file. does anyone know how to get it to work? |
| 14:39.32 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: ^ |
| 14:39.58 | Shapeshifter | is a bit bored with waiting. |
| 14:40.23 | lbt_ | RST38h: yes, that's what I noticed |
| 14:40.41 | Shapeshifter | it would be soo interesting to see the position of "your" future device on a map, with GPS ;) That would be wicked. |
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| 14:40.59 | lbt_ | so we should reflash eMMC to the same as it is and then flash new fiasco image? |
| 14:41.08 | Shapeshifter | you could watch it for ours, strolling over the indian ocean or the pacific |
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| 14:41.12 | Shapeshifter | *hours |
| 14:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, pong? |
| 14:41.48 | dneary | GeneralAntilles, So - are you able to come to Barcelona? |
| 14:42.08 | dneary | GeneralAntilles, You're part of a select group who have actually done stuff to make Maemo docs better :) |
| 14:42.20 | dneary | It'd be great to have you there, if you could make it |
| 14:42.43 | GeneralAntilles | Not really, and I don't think sponsorship is actually available for non-EU people. |
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| 14:48.37 | waz1 | Hi. I love to call my friends and send sms's with my new nokia n900. Also I can check the time just by simply looking at the screen. And if I need to wake up early - I can just set the alarm! I'm Andrew and tthis is MaeVoice. |
| 14:49.14 | RST38h | eeek |
| 14:49.24 | Stskeeps | a |
| 14:49.33 | crashanddie_ | guys, where can I download the NSU? |
| 14:49.34 | aSIMULAter | sounds unique |
| 14:49.37 | aSIMULAter | innovative |
| 14:50.11 | Stskeeps | waz1: to some freerunner users that would be their reason for buying a n900. |
| 14:50.13 | waz1 | aSIMULAter: that was the goal :) |
| 14:50.36 | waz1 | Stskeeps: sheesh :D |
| 14:51.33 | waz1 | Ohoh! I can interact with the phone by touching the screen itself |
| 14:52.04 | Shapeshifter | needs to grow a fingernail |
| 14:52.05 | waz1 | Take that, iphone! |
| 14:52.30 | RST38h | wazd: Google says Andrew is dead. |
| 14:52.46 | RST38h | Killed in Iraq. |
| 14:53.21 | RST38h | Poor fiferboy, we'll miss you! |
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| 14:54.20 | lardman | re |
| 14:55.20 | lardman | hmm, /me wonders if 30min is the median level of wasted time expended installing applications using HAM after a clean install..... |
| 14:56.38 | waz1 | RST38h: whhat?! |
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| 14:57.21 | waz1 | RST38h: what?!! |
| 14:57.29 | RST38h | wazd: do a google search for Andrew Olmsted |
| 14:57.36 | RST38h | you will see |
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| 14:58.11 | Stskeeps | in 2008 :P |
| 14:58.46 | waz1 | Dude! |
| 15:00.18 | VDVsx | lol |
| 15:00.41 | waz1 | That's not fun! |
| 15:00.45 | waz1 | Fuck... |
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| 15:01.36 | waz1 | RST38h: damn you) |
| 15:02.04 | RST38h | moos woefully |
| 15:02.04 | VDVsx | btw, Maemo-Barcelona long weekend participants list is now live: http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo-barcelona_long_weekend/ (hurry up :P) |
| 15:03.31 | waz1 | RST38h: seriously, dude! :D |
| 15:05.28 | VDVsx | thinks waz1 drank to much vodka at lunch :P |
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| 15:06.20 | waz1 | VDVsx: what?) Now *I* am drunk?) |
| 15:07.02 | crashanddie_ | gents |
| 15:07.06 | crashanddie_ | I need the NSU, can anyone send it to me? |
| 15:07.13 | crashanddie_ | I need to update my N900 for the meeting tonight |
| 15:07.30 | VDVsx | crashanddie, just install nokia pc suite |
| 15:07.39 | VDVsx | or use the flasher |
| 15:07.48 | VDVsx | waz1, ;) |
| 15:07.59 | waz1 | crashanddie: girs get hot when they see fresh n900 :D |
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| 15:08.41 | zacky | I see that everyone is talking about this N900 meeting tonight, but what/where is that? is it the barcelona long weekend thing? |
| 15:08.55 | crashanddie_ | zacky: no, it's in London |
| 15:08.55 | Stskeeps | london i think |
| 15:09.12 | zacky | anyone got an info url? |
| 15:09.19 | crashanddie_ | not really |
| 15:09.23 | crashanddie_ | I was asked to join by email |
| 15:09.30 | zacky | ok, so what is it? |
| 15:10.26 | Moolenaar | anyone who come from Japan |
| 15:10.27 | waz1 | Who in the world decided to makee meetings on tuesday? Seriously :) |
| 15:10.49 | vesa | mobile monday, n900 tuesday! |
| 15:10.59 | vesa | or maemo tuesday even |
| 15:11.15 | VDVsx | zacky, http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/n900meetup/ |
| 15:11.41 | waz1 | Maeuesday, let's follow community trend :) |
| 15:13.08 | VDVsx | waz1, did you got a seat for the Moscow meetup ? all booked now |
| 15:13.41 | waz1 | VDVsx: yep |
| 15:13.48 | VDVsx | it's also on a Tuesday, lolol |
| 15:13.51 | zacky | ah, thanks VDVsx. |
| 15:14.04 | waz1 | VDVsx: don't need a passport for that :D |
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| 15:14.25 | VDVsx | waz1, ehehe, you never know :P |
| 15:14.57 | waz1 | VDVsx: mheheh |
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| 15:15.53 | waz1 | coughs |
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| 15:18.01 | Moolenaar | how about N920? |
| 15:18.07 | Myrtti | plaa |
| 15:18.19 | crashanddie_ | stupid nokia, they don't have the NSU on their website yet |
| 15:18.26 | crashanddie_ | even though they reference the N900 |
| 15:18.35 | Myrtti | Moolenaar: what about it? |
| 15:19.36 | Moolenaar | new device. made by nokia |
| 15:20.25 | Myrtti | Moolenaar: URL or it didn't happen? |
| 15:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 15:21.16 | Moolenaar | http://www.pocketables.net/2009/10/nokia-n920-possibly-already-in-the-works.html |
| 15:21.35 | Myrtti | Moolenaar: http://senseapplied.com/index.php/nokia-n920-its-a-hoax/ |
| 15:21.41 | Myrtti | Moolenaar: u fail |
| 15:21.45 | frals | :rolleyes: |
| 15:21.46 | Khertan | oups ... does there is a control of device number before flashing ? |
| 15:22.01 | Khertan | as my n810 and my n900 are connected to the pc with usb |
| 15:22.10 | Khertan | i don't know which device was found |
| 15:22.34 | Ronaldo38741 | An N810 with Maemo 5, woo |
| 15:22.42 | Khertan | a breaked n810 |
| 15:22.50 | Ronaldo38741 | Or a bricked N810.. less woo |
| 15:22.54 | rzr | lol @ http://www.cowlark.com/2009-11-15-go/ |
| 15:23.19 | Moolenaar | wait |
| 15:23.37 | Moolenaar | http://www.unwiredview.com/2009/10/15/nokia-n920-keyboardless-big-screen-n900-successor-shows-up/ |
| 15:24.00 | Myrtti | Moolenaar: did you read the link I gave you? |
| 15:24.10 | frals | :D |
| 15:24.18 | Khertan | ok the n900 reboot |
| 15:24.19 | Khertan | so it found the right device |
| 15:24.22 | Flandry | is back with another random hardware/software question |
| 15:24.26 | Myrtti | Moolenaar: "It all started with Exitus , trying to make a concept touch screen phone and he started with a template ( much like iPhone 3GS ) added the screenshot of Maemo 4 yes MAEMO 4 from Nokia N810 not the latest upcoming MAEMO 6 Harmattan and tweeted it and the whole world was after it ." |
| 15:24.49 | Myrtti | maemo 4. not even maemo 5. maemo 4. or even older. |
| 15:25.25 | Khertan | ouch ... n900 rebooting loop |
| 15:25.45 | Moolenaar | yes. maybe you are right |
| 15:25.57 | Khertan | Moolenaar: not maybe ... sure |
| 15:26.06 | Myrtti | Khertan: you're mixing things up |
| 15:26.09 | SpeedEvil | I, for one, welcome our new Maemo 4 overlords. |
| 15:26.13 | Myrtti | oh, nevermind |
| 15:26.17 | Myrtti | I fail this time |
| 15:26.22 | Myrtti | goes to get more coffee |
| 15:26.34 | Khertan | Myrtti: you are mixing people :) |
| 15:27.39 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how much effort it would be to go from mer to a usable phone platform - for 'Nokla'. |
| 15:27.43 | GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, that's Bora, actually. |
| 15:28.09 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: depending on ofono and telepathy-ofono quality |
| 15:28.21 | Flandry | Given that an app will not be taking advantage of 3D rendering (just compositing), what would be the most eficient way to draw to the display in SDL? |
| 15:28.35 | Flandry | *N900 display |
| 15:28.38 | Moolenaar | ofono? inter and nokia |
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| 15:31.38 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: and if they can get proper GLES drivers |
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| 15:37.00 | AndrewFBlack | any changed there useragent on n900 to view iphone pages automaticlly |
| 15:37.23 | Khertan | nope to view iphone mini page |
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| 15:37.35 | Khertan | but i change it to bypass sfr proxy limitation |
| 15:37.52 | Khertan | but for any reason the useragent is reset as each microb reboot |
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| 15:38.07 | Khertan | and microb doesn't seems to use the users.js |
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| 15:45.39 | GAN900 | Is 42-11 significantly slower than 41-10 for people? |
| 15:46.09 | GAN900 | I can't even get it to stream videos without buffering every 3 seconds. |
| 15:46.50 | Stskeeps | on the contrary |
| 15:47.55 | GAN900 | Interesting |
| 15:48.14 | GAN900 | I wonder what's broken here. |
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| 15:49.53 | GAN900 | That's cool, too. |
| 15:50.36 | sgbirch | is maemo4 dead now or can we expect more releases? |
| 15:50.45 | Stskeeps | signs that N900 has gotten something right: a apple freak from my former uni who's waiting for his N900 |
| 15:51.07 | Stskeeps | sgbirch: there's a community SSU effort |
| 15:51.19 | sgbirch | SSU ? |
| 15:51.46 | Stskeeps | seamless software update |
| 15:53.58 | sp3000 | jeremiah: ping? extras-devel needs a reindex or whatever, no hash in packages or no packages in hash or whatever ...the usual :) |
| 15:54.24 | sgbirch | Stskeeps: got it.. thx |
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| 16:01.11 | smackpotato | im having trouble mounting a ramdrive |
| 16:01.16 | smackpotato | http://pastebin.com/m58435a53 |
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| 16:03.08 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: your interwebs |
| 16:03.19 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: stop microwaving those nachos |
| 16:03.48 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: maybe you can help me, tell me where I can get NSU |
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| 16:04.46 | alterego | The Nseries site crashanddie_ |
| 16:05.07 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.omap.com/index.php/ETechDays_Community_Lightning_Talks is happening right now if anyone is interested |
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| 16:05.40 | alterego | Nice |
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| 16:05.53 | crashanddie_ | alterego: where then? |
| 16:06.00 | alterego | Oh, I must remember to download the last.fm, facebook, twitter thin g on xbox tonight. |
| 16:07.22 | alterego | It's part of PC suite |
| 16:07.37 | sgbirch | It looks like the n900 is generating a ton more interest than the n810. Hopefully the maemo community will expand as a result |
| 16:07.50 | Stskeeps | it has, some claim to the worse; ) |
| 16:07.57 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:08.09 | sgbirch | Stskeeps: the unwashed masses! |
| 16:08.51 | sgbirch | Stskeeps: My only observation is that the number of upgrades pushed out seems to be quite low |
| 16:09.03 | Stskeeps | for n810 yeah |
| 16:09.10 | mgedmin | smackpotato, that's not how you mount tmpfs |
| 16:09.21 | sgbirch | Stskeeps: at the application level, I mean. Compared to (say) debian or ubuntu. |
| 16:09.43 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:09.47 | mgedmin | smackpotato, if you really want a fixed-size ramdisk, mount -t ext2 /dev/ram1 |
| 16:09.59 | mgedmin | smackpotato, if you want tmpfs, you don't need to muck with /dev/ramX at all |
| 16:10.00 | wazd | finally at home |
| 16:10.15 | suihkulokki | The eternal september of maemo =) |
| 16:10.18 | sgbirch | Stskeeps: My worry is that the real appeal of the n900 is the *potential*. |
| 16:10.20 | mgedmin | smackpotato, the difference is that tmpfs grows and shrinks automatically depending on content; ramdisk is fixed size |
| 16:10.25 | mgedmin | nobody uses ramdisks anymore really |
| 16:11.21 | hrw | mgedmin: no one on ARM |
| 16:11.30 | hrw | mgedmin: I use initrd on my laptop |
| 16:11.57 | mgedmin | hrw, /dev/ramX is not the same thing as initrd/initramfs |
| 16:12.07 | hrw | ok |
| 16:12.11 | sgbirch | Stskeeps: It sure is a nice device, and fantastic work has been done. But the potential is absolutely incredible. |
| 16:12.40 | crashanddie_ | lardman, Jaffa: You guys going to talk about something specific? |
| 16:13.55 | sgbirch | crashanddie_: how about this ... is there a definitive answer on turn-by-turn navigation, will it have it? |
| 16:14.00 | lardman | crashanddie_: talk? |
| 16:14.08 | cosmo | does autobuilder update its debs from extras or extras-dev (fremantle?) |
| 16:14.27 | crashanddie_ | sgbirch: and you are asking me because? |
| 16:15.06 | sgbirch | crashanddie_: you are as good as anyone |
| 16:15.10 | cosmo | uploading to extras wiki page says "After the autobuilder builds a package, it will be available in Extras-Devel. " but afaik there is some delay before it's available for autobuilder |
| 16:15.30 | crashanddie_ | sgbirch: actually, I'm better than most, but still, I don't see why the question was directed toward me |
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| 16:15.44 | alterego | cosmo, there's a queue for the auto-builder,. |
| 16:15.54 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 16:16.16 | Flandry | i think it must use packages from extras-dev if they are available |
| 16:16.17 | cosmo | alterego: you mean before or after it? my package went already through autobuilder ok |
| 16:16.31 | alterego | Then it should be in extras-devel now. |
| 16:16.41 | Flandry | sorry, are you talking about build dependencies? |
| 16:17.06 | alterego | Ah |
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| 16:17.32 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: thanks, got the flasher? |
| 16:17.34 | sgbirch | crashanddie_:I was just responding to the comment about those guys talking about something specific. |
| 16:17.44 | crashanddie_ | sgbirch: ah, I see |
| 16:17.45 | sgbirch | crashanddie_: It was half a joke .. but the question is a good one |
| 16:17.52 | pupnik | i am getting good battery life on n900 with surfing and mÃedia playbck |
| 16:17.54 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 16:17.55 | lardman | crashanddie_: what are you talking about talking about something? |
| 16:18.06 | GAN900 | sgbirch, Sygic announced a port. |
| 16:18.10 | crashanddie_ | lardman: tonight? You're not going to give a little speech? |
| 16:18.14 | lardman | ? |
| 16:18.15 | sgbirch | crashanddie_: I guess it was ok as an add in, but it looks like google will add it |
| 16:18.20 | GAN900 | lol |
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| 16:18.34 | lardman | to my wife....? |
| 16:18.38 | crashanddie_ | lardman: you not at the meetup tonight? |
| 16:18.41 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, not that he knows of, it seems. ;) |
| 16:18.44 | lardman | what meetup? |
| 16:18.47 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 16:18.49 | Flandry | lol |
| 16:18.55 | crashanddie_ | lardman: you willy wanker |
| 16:19.02 | GAN900 | throws a cluebat at lardman. |
| 16:19.03 | crashanddie_ | lardman: there's a meetup tonight in London |
| 16:19.08 | lardman | ah, news to me |
| 16:19.09 | wjt | so. who *is* going? |
| 16:19.10 | crashanddie_ | lardman: people have been talking about it for weeks? |
| 16:19.16 | crashanddie_ | lardman: get the feck out of your cave, batman |
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| 16:19.32 | cosmo | the autobuilder is really slow, or i'm missing some mails.. pretty confusing |
| 16:19.34 | sgbirch | crashanddie_: I didnt get an invite ... is it too late? |
| 16:19.37 | lardman | crashanddie_: I've not been paying much attention to irc in case you'd not noticed, been ill, then painting my flat |
| 16:19.39 | Myrtti | I wish I was |
| 16:19.49 | GAN900 | alterego, it mostly just manages to clutter things up. |
| 16:19.54 | Myrtti | I wish I was going to Barcelona too |
| 16:19.58 | crashanddie_ | lardman: if it was the other way around, I would've said the paint made you ill |
| 16:20.01 | Khertan | Does there is something about key shortcut in the maemo hildon guidelines ? |
| 16:20.03 | sgbirch | crashanddie_: I called the London store and they knew nothing about ut |
| 16:20.05 | lardman | yeah |
| 16:20.07 | cosmo | i got the package through diablo builder but for fremantle i still haven't got reply mail although i submitted the package at the same time |
| 16:20.09 | Flandry | why does he need to get out of his cave? He just uses everyone's N900s for echolocation... |
| 16:20.17 | crashanddie_ | lardman: what happened? |
| 16:20.24 | crashanddie_ | lardman: were you that sick you had to paint the flat? |
| 16:20.54 | lardman | nah, not feeling too hot for a week, then busy at work, then moving stuff out of flat to allow painting, then doing the painting |
| 16:20.57 | crashanddie_ | sgbirch: there was a website, you had to subscribe |
| 16:21.18 | sgbirch | crashanddie_: was it taken down? |
| 16:21.20 | crashanddie_ | lardman: because it really sounded like you were sick all over the walls for a second there :P |
| 16:21.24 | GAN900 | lol |
| 16:21.28 | crashanddie_ | sgbirch: only 80 seats or something |
| 16:21.31 | lardman | no no! :D |
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| 16:22.06 | GAN900 | Mr. Creosote? |
| 16:22.07 | sgbirch | crashanddie_: They think they only have 80 fans!!! |
| 16:22.55 | crashanddie_ | sgbirch: no, they only *want* 80 people, there will be drinks or something |
| 16:23.16 | crashanddie_ | sgbirch: they've done the same in Helsinki, Moscow, etc |
| 16:23.32 | lardman | never mind, school night anyway, so probably wouldn't have been able to make it, tho my wife is in London tomorrow iirc |
| 16:23.39 | crashanddie_ | sgbirch: tbh, I'm just going because I've been asked to go, and I'll probably return my N900 at the same time |
| 16:23.50 | GAN900 | Return? |
| 16:23.55 | sgbirch | crashanddie_:why are you returning it? |
| 16:24.09 | Myrtti | ohai sgbirch |
| 16:24.10 | crashanddie_ | well, moving to Oz and all, it's not like it'll be easy to return it later on |
| 16:24.22 | lardman | you're moving? |
| 16:24.22 | GAN900 | Airmail |
| 16:24.26 | lardman | again, news to me |
| 16:24.27 | crashanddie_ | lardman: yeah |
| 16:24.31 | lardman | where to? |
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| 16:24.36 | crashanddie_ | lardman: news to nearly everyone, going to Brisbane |
| 16:24.38 | sgbirch | crashanddie_:oh .. cool |
| 16:24.50 | crashanddie_ | fag break, see ya in a bit |
| 16:24.58 | lardman | crashanddie_: cool, or rather, warm :) |
| 16:25.22 | Flandry | intercontinental slang collisions are an endless source of amusement |
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| 16:26.17 | crashanddie_ | Flandry: no, you just need to start learning real English a bit more or speak with more foreigners |
| 16:26.24 | crashanddie_ | lardman: PM |
| 16:26.31 | GAN900 | What, he's not taking a break to ride his Harley? |
| 16:26.47 | Flandry | yeah, his "Harley" |
| 16:27.04 | GAN900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.57 | Flandry | crashanddie: I used to say that everything i need to know in life, i learned from the English translation of Tintin. Wait for it... |
| 16:28.18 | cosmo | alterego: yep, at least on diablo builder the package that went through is not available for autobuilder yet |
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| 16:29.11 | cosmo | ..and same for fremantle |
| 16:29.15 | Flandry | never learned proper usage of those colloquialisms though :D |
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| 16:48.15 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: I'm probably going to aim to get to the hotel about 18:30ish, got a room so going to change (and can stay out on the lash ;-)) |
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| 16:51.39 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa: haha, awesome |
| 16:51.43 | crashanddie_ | so we have a room to trash |
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| 16:59.17 | lardman | bbl |
| 16:59.22 | crashanddie_ | ttfn |
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| 17:03.53 | CoreFusion- | I heard rumours that the finnish Nokia Shop would start shipping this friday |
| 17:04.57 | sgbirch | I called the London shop and they didnt have a clue |
| 17:05.19 | sgbirch | They also didnt know about the meeting tonight |
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| 17:05.36 | CoreFusion- | lol |
| 17:05.43 | CoreFusion- | gj from them then :) |
| 17:05.56 | lbt_ | Jaffa: re ohmd |
| 17:05.56 | crashanddie_ | that's because really, Maemo is a cover story for the Renegade Freemasons Alliance |
| 17:05.57 | Flyser | which meeting? |
| 17:06.19 | lbt_ | IIRC it was designed as a very low level policy manger |
| 17:06.36 | SpeedEvil | To quote nokia.co.uk 'This order has not shipped.' |
| 17:06.36 | lbt_ | nothing important.... just thermal throttling the CPU |
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| 17:06.57 | lbt_ | can't see any problems using stop ohmd.... <-- sarcasm ;) |
| 17:07.07 | crashanddie_ | we're an obscure society membered of doctors, various PhDs and freethinkers, we want to impose our opinion and challenge status quo |
| 17:07.16 | lbt_ | Nb Nokia may not be using it for this purpose |
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| 17:09.37 | kirma | nokia shop says that they start N900 preorder deliveries in Finland on friday, some potentially getting it already then... and preorders should be delivered everywhere in the country in a week |
| 17:10.00 | kirma | I'm almost certain I'll miss my delivery if they refuse to change the shipping address to work... |
| 17:11.30 | CoreFusion- | Nokia is trying to get pre-orders delivered during next week. (at least in Finland) |
| 17:11.39 | kirma | shipping practically between 9am and 5pm, of course. |
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| 17:15.03 | CoreFusion- | kirma, i'm sure it's possible to change the shipping adress but they might make you pay extra for that :P |
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| 17:19.45 | Xisdibik | crashanddie: you had me all excited until i realized you were joking :( |
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| 17:20.43 | tga | howdy |
| 17:20.54 | CoreFusion- | hi |
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| 17:21.45 | lardman | re |
| 17:21.58 | CoreFusion- | WELCOME! |
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| 17:22.56 | tga | is looking for a way to schedule a job to run at certain times |
| 17:23.21 | yuizy | use libalarm |
| 17:23.38 | tga | any client for that? |
| 17:23.50 | ShadowJK | kirma, iirc my SmartQ7 came with UPS too, and the UPS guy had left it outside my kitchen |
| 17:24.00 | ShadowJK | (I was sound asleep having worked nights that week) |
| 17:24.12 | ShadowJK | lives in the countryside and doesn't lock his door.. |
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| 17:24.38 | kirma | considering I live in apartment building with exterior door locked, I'd say it's rather unlikely it'd be left there... |
| 17:24.49 | tga | yuizy: I've been trying to figure out how to use alarmd but I can't find any straightforward documentation |
| 17:24.49 | yuizy | i'm not sure |
| 17:25.24 | yuizy | you want to run a single command? |
| 17:25.35 | Xisdibik | goes over to ShadowJK's for breakfast |
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| 17:25.52 | ShadowJK | make enough for two |
| 17:25.55 | tga | yuizy: yeah, mostly morning alarm stuff for now |
| 17:26.07 | kirma | I constantly get surprised that I order stuff to my home address with express shipping when I really should make orders to work |
| 17:26.11 | Xisdibik | ShadowJK: only if you like Swedish Pancakes |
| 17:26.35 | Xisdibik | morning GeneralAntilles |
| 17:26.42 | Xisdibik | well i guess afternoon for you now |
| 17:26.49 | tga | was impressed by a H2 today |
| 17:27.02 | tga | now if only I can get maemo on that hardware for a decent price |
| 17:27.23 | GeneralAntilles | mutters evil things about kernel panics. |
| 17:27.43 | yuizy | tga: i used these examples http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Alarm_Framework |
| 17:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | tga, Maemo comes on the N900. |
| 17:27.58 | wazd | Hi. With brand new n900 I can add numbers of my friends to the address book and each time they will call me - I will see name instead of number. And it has color screen too! I'm Andrew, and this is MaeVoice. |
| 17:28.00 | GeneralAntilles | You're not going to get "Maemo" on much else. |
| 17:28.01 | tga | I know, a bit out of my budget range atm |
| 17:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | tga, give it 6 months. |
| 17:28.14 | tga | well, Mer, whatever |
| 17:28.36 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, why are you making fun of MaeVoice? |
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| 17:28.48 | tga | yuizy: thanks, wtf @ C programming though |
| 17:29.06 | tga | I just need a crontab, not an API |
| 17:29.18 | GeneralAntilles | cron isn't battery friendly |
| 17:29.31 | tga | notice I said crontab, not cron :) |
| 17:29.54 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: because I can :D |
| 17:29.57 | tga | for what I need, I wouldn't even mind starting cron when I plug in |
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| 17:30.39 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: Ah, i'm not making fun of it in fact, that's a nice move if used wisely |
| 17:31.11 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta love it when ClearType screws up screenshotted tables: http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/mobiles/mobilebrowsertesttable.jpg |
| 17:31.13 | GeneralAntilles | Fail. |
| 17:31.18 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I was just amused by Tim's part when he says that it's amazing how music over a2dp stops when somebody calls :) |
| 17:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | stabs subpixel to death. |
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| 17:36.17 | Jaffa | lbt_: Yeah, Eero's just said that. Seems to be conflating various tasks into random "let's shove something in to make it better" |
| 17:36.51 | crashanddie_ | wazd: that's the "Awesome camera" effect |
| 17:37.46 | Jaffa | tga: GeneralAntilles: Looking at a typical cron implementation, there's no reason why it'd be battery unfriendly. Doesn't give you the "switch the device on, if off, when this alarm goes off" |
| 17:37.56 | wazd | crashanddie: I knew that! :D |
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| 17:38.35 | tga | Jaffa: regular cron doesn't give you that option either, it's alright |
| 17:38.50 | wazd | Seriously, n900 gives such an endless possibilities and people are stuck to the color screen and phonebook |
| 17:39.19 | CoreFusion- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.00 | wazd | CoreFusion-: I can download latest "Lie to me" episode and watch it right onthe device while lazing on the beach |
| 17:40.10 | wazd | CoreFusion-: that's the power! :D |
| 17:40.23 | frals | ah, should watch that today |
| 17:40.27 | tga | I'll go for enhanced reality |
| 17:40.31 | frals | thanks for reminding me! :D |
| 17:40.40 | greenfly | for me it's the fact that I can respond to a production emergency at work without having to lug around my laptop |
| 17:40.41 | wazd | frals: yw :) |
| 17:40.45 | SpeedEvil | Enhanced reality. |
| 17:40.50 | tga | seems to be the thing nowadays |
| 17:40.57 | SpeedEvil | Got any people in your phonebook with annoyingly squeaky voices? |
| 17:41.06 | SpeedEvil | Pitch-shift them automatically. |
| 17:41.13 | tga | that would actually be easy |
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| 17:41.26 | wazd | I can connect to my laptop at work and trick my boss while hanging out with my GF |
| 17:41.40 | Xisdibik | its all fun and games SpeedEvil until your mom finds out you made her sound like a truck driver dude |
| 17:41.46 | crashanddie_ | would like to announce what his company is working on tonight |
| 17:41.48 | SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: :) |
| 17:41.52 | crashanddie_ | but would get sacked before the night is over |
| 17:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, finally fixed font rendering in Snow Leopard. |
| 17:42.07 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid Apple. |
| 17:42.11 | tga | secrecy is overrated |
| 17:42.19 | Xisdibik | congratz GeneralAntilles |
| 17:42.24 | derf | Employment, however, is not. |
| 17:42.32 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: lol, Jobs claimed that he's a god of the Fonts |
| 17:42.34 | tga | well actually.. |
| 17:43.36 | wazd | and god of everything shown on the screen eventually :) |
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| 17:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, Windows font rendering makes my eyes bleed. |
| 17:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's a configuration issue with 3rd-party LCDs. |
| 17:44.16 | RST38h | claims the same about Linux font rendering |
| 17:44.28 | RST38h | Windows is actually ok, well, for some fonts :) |
| 17:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, configurable, depends on your configuration. |
| 17:44.46 | GeneralAntilles | I can make Linux look like Windows or OS X. |
| 17:45.12 | tga | from afar maybe |
| 17:45.26 | derf | Linux font rendering at least has an excuse: a number of the techniques are patented. |
| 17:45.30 | GeneralAntilles | Close enough to OS X that my eyes aren't bleeding, anyway. |
| 17:45.48 | pupnik | how many apps do you end up running on n900? for me usually 6-12 windows |
| 17:45.51 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: haha, you're too used to that OSX soap render :) |
| 17:46.00 | derf | Though I think a few of the important ones just expired or are expiring soon. |
| 17:46.05 | derf | So that excuse will soon be gone. |
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| 17:46.17 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I'm used to on-screen text looking closer to print. |
| 17:46.19 | GeneralAntilles | I can hardly focus on ClearType. |
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| 17:48.10 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I really hate that OSX soapy render, Better stick with sharp win fonts |
| 17:48.21 | smackpotat | anyone have any tips on mounting a ramdrive |
| 17:48.30 | greenfly | smackpotat: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:48.41 | smackpotat | i always get failed |
| 17:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, ew. |
| 17:48.48 | mgedmin | looooves linux subpixel font rendering |
| 17:48.52 | woglinde | smackpotat read kernel doc about ramdisk |
| 17:48.57 | greenfly | smackpotat: I mean, what are you trying to accomplish with a ramdisk? |
| 17:49.00 | mgedmin | and now let's discuss which vegetables are best |
| 17:49.06 | mgedmin | death to tomatoes! |
| 17:49.15 | woglinde | tomatoes are fine |
| 17:49.23 | CoreFusion- | pizza? |
| 17:49.29 | smackpotat | i want to put .mozilla/microb in ram |
| 17:49.29 | woglinde | there are serval different sorts |
| 17:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, "sharp", i.e., "let's kill the character shapes" |
| 17:49.34 | woglinde | in color too |
| 17:49.36 | greenfly | smackpotat: why? |
| 17:49.43 | woglinde | from green to violet |
| 17:50.05 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: yep, let's kill, if it's easier to read :) |
| 17:50.06 | smackpotat | just an experment see if i can get any extra speed |
| 17:50.11 | greenfly | you won't |
| 17:50.15 | greenfly | because Linux already does it for you |
| 17:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, it's what you're used to. |
| 17:50.31 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: glad you've got the point :) |
| 17:50.42 | greenfly | smackpotat: every time you read a file, Linux copies it to RAM and if it has enough RAM, tries to keep it there |
| 17:50.47 | smackpotat | why not greenfly |
| 17:50.57 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, but that still doesn't change the fact that Windows' rendering is incorrect. ;) |
| 17:51.00 | greenfly | so the first time you load the files in that directory, it will already be in RAM and unless you max out your RAM, it should stay there |
| 17:51.10 | greenfly | so basically, Linux will handle the ramdisk more efficiently than you will be able to |
| 17:51.15 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: every rendering is "incorrect" |
| 17:51.23 | smackpotat | there are databases there that aRT CACHED |
| 17:51.28 | greenfly | and also will automatically make sure that changes are written to disk, etc. |
| 17:51.34 | smackpotat | sorry |
| 17:51.38 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: you can't make font look like printed one, not today |
| 17:51.43 | aep | smackpotat: i do it with tmpfs. quite easy. not sure if that'll work on the default kernel |
| 17:51.52 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: maybe someday, yes, but not today |
| 17:52.06 | greenfly | again, the Linux file cache is more efficient and better than you will be |
| 17:52.14 | mgedmin | some of today's devices are approaching 300 dpi |
| 17:52.16 | tga | does anyone happen to know a working cron? |
| 17:52.17 | greenfly | so no need to reinvent it with a clumsy ramdisk |
| 17:52.17 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: everything else doesn't really matters much |
| 17:52.22 | mgedmin | I remember when laser printers were 300 dpi |
| 17:52.23 | fwrnando | you know what they say, fonts will only be perfectly rendered once we get hexagonal pixels |
| 17:52.24 | tga | all I found were dead links |
| 17:52.49 | smackpotat | ok as i said its just an experment more for my education than anything |
| 17:53.05 | greenfly | smackpotat: next time you are in front of a command line, type 'free' |
| 17:53.15 | smackpotat | cool |
| 17:53.22 | tga | do you get a free application? |
| 17:53.28 | greenfly | the value under the "cached" column is how many kilobytes Linux is already caching in RAM |
| 17:53.50 | greenfly | over time the value under "free" column should get close to zero and it will appear that all your RAM is used |
| 17:53.59 | greenfly | but it isn't, when an app needs RAM, Linux just borrows from the file cache |
| 17:54.25 | greenfly | again, more efficient use of your RAM without hard-coding, you know, 50Mb or whatever that nothing else can use if it needs it |
| 17:54.44 | aep | greenfly: i'm not sure if the maemo ff is still the default ff, but that one calls flush() after each write. |
| 17:55.00 | greenfly | aep: how would that affect this? |
| 17:55.08 | aep | you cant cache that |
| 17:55.16 | greenfly | we aren't talking about caching writes |
| 17:55.17 | aep | a ramdisk fixes it |
| 17:55.23 | greenfly | but caching reads |
| 17:55.25 | aep | you were |
| 17:55.34 | aep | ooh. well who cares about reads... |
| 17:55.35 | smackpotat | i set the cache to writeback and it speeded microb up plenty |
| 17:55.46 | greenfly | the file system drivers take care of caching writes anyway |
| 17:55.58 | aep | flush mans flush. no caching |
| 17:56.04 | greenfly | aep: so it's more efficient to run an rsync every now and then to flush your ramdisk to disk? |
| 17:56.08 | smackpotat | the problem is with microb's use of sqlight |
| 17:56.36 | smackpotat | sqlite |
| 17:56.37 | aep | greenfly: if you have programs like ff that call flush() in a busy loop, yes |
| 17:57.07 | aep | not sure if they fixed it, i went away from it after chromium was released |
| 17:57.16 | greenfly | *shrug* sounds like a lost of extra effort to me for little if any gain |
| 17:57.24 | greenfly | like all those ricers who overclock their gaming rigs |
| 17:57.29 | aep | its a huge gain on devices with small I/O |
| 17:57.40 | aep | its usable vs unusable |
| 17:57.58 | aep | i'm quite certain that bug isnt present on mameo though |
| 17:58.05 | aep | alot of people would have noticed |
| 17:58.08 | greenfly | I dunno, I'm not seeing any major issues on the n900 with that |
| 17:58.20 | greenfly | browsing doesn't seem like it's lagging because it's waiting on IO |
| 17:58.27 | smackpotat | yes it is a lot of extra time i say "why kill yourself when you can kill time" |
| 17:58.28 | greenfly | at least, not disk IO :) |
| 17:59.07 | aep | smackpotat: well go ahead try it,.. at least you'll learn how to fix it when it becomes an actual problem |
| 17:59.15 | aep | smackpotat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=991205 |
| 17:59.25 | aep | (not my setup, google returned that) |
| 17:59.42 | greenfly | in any case, I just bring it up because in my experience people who talk about setting up ramdisks on Linux are unaware of the systems already in place |
| 18:00.04 | smackpotat | asa re green says "if it at broke you arn't trying" |
| 18:00.15 | aep | oh well, you'll certainly will get nothing from read caches, thats true |
| 18:00.19 | smackpotat | thanks for the link |
| 18:00.33 | lardman | is it sampo who wrote ecoach? |
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| 18:03.40 | smackpotato | http://pastebin.com/m58435a53 |
| 18:03.41 | amaurymedeiros | Hello |
| 18:04.03 | amaurymedeiros | Does anyone know how hildon-application-manager lists the Installable packages? |
| 18:04.15 | andre__ | amaurymedeiros, technically? or sorting? |
| 18:04.25 | amaurymedeiros | andre__, technically |
| 18:04.27 | lardman | it lists what is in the Packages file minus what's already installed |
| 18:04.36 | smackpotat | this is what gos wrong when i try to mount a random ramdisk |
| 18:04.57 | amaurymedeiros | I found how it lists the installed packages.. |
| 18:05.21 | amaurymedeiros | with dpkg-query... |
| 18:05.45 | lardman | smackpotat: does the mount point exist? |
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| 18:06.01 | lardman | smackpotat: otherwise, I imagine mount is provided by busybox, so may be missing options |
| 18:06.07 | smackpotat | yes whit mkdir |
| 18:06.16 | lardman | smackpotat: or, there's no tmpfs driver available...? |
| 18:06.52 | smackpotat | i think there is but i dont know what to do with it |
| 18:07.07 | smackpotat | maybenot |
| 18:08.47 | aep | umm |
| 18:09.04 | aep | why the hell are you creating something on disk |
| 18:09.10 | aep | i thought you wanted a RAM disk |
| 18:10.02 | smackpotat | i do |
| 18:10.06 | mgedmin | smackpotato, heh, the mountpoint you mkdir'ed is called 'ramdrive0', but the mountpoint you specified on your mount command line is called 'ramdisk0' |
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| 18:10.40 | mgedmin | nevertheless I continue to say that ramdisks are a Bad Idea and that you want to mount -t tmpfs none /home/user/ramdrive0 |
| 18:10.41 | mzz | smackpotat: notice tmpfs doesn't actually use /dev/ram* (the "device" argument to mount is ignored) |
| 18:10.47 | mgedmin | without any of that silly dd/mkfs stuff |
| 18:11.03 | mzz | smackpotat: assuming tmpfs works at all, something like "mount -t tmpfs strawberries /mnt/point" will work |
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| 18:11.44 | smackpotat | tx mgedmin |
| 18:11.56 | mgedmin | no need to assume, /etc/init.d/rcS creates several tmpfs mounts |
| 18:11.59 | mgedmin | on a n900 |
| 18:12.19 | mzz | and yes, tmpfs usually works these days, if only because it's used for /dev/ |
| 18:13.42 | amaurymedeiros | Does the hildon app manager uses dpkg to list INSTALLABLE packages? |
| 18:14.19 | mgedmin | hildon app manager's sources are out there |
| 18:14.33 | mgedmin | http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager |
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| 18:16.11 | amaurymedeiros | I've already downloaded the source and searched a lot, but I found only how it lists INSTALLED packages. Now I need to find how it works with INSTALLABLE ones. |
| 18:16.14 | amaurymedeiros | :( |
| 18:16.21 | dmj726 | hi zaheerm |
| 18:16.36 | zaheerm | dmj726, h, sorry in meeting |
| 18:16.43 | dmj726 | ok |
| 18:16.58 | dmj726 | What's up with zope.interface? |
| 18:17.04 | dmj726 | all I want to know |
| 18:17.23 | mgedmin | amaurymedeiros, http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline/blobs/master/src/apt-worker.cc#line2841 |
| 18:17.38 | mgedmin | "only_available" is what you want, I believe |
| 18:18.16 | Flandry | i thought app manager was one of the closed Nokia apps |
| 18:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, it's been open source since 2005. :) |
| 18:18.37 | Flandry | maybe the weirdly narrow text columns in the description can be fixed then |
| 18:18.53 | mgedmin | I want http://isitaclosednokiaapp.com |
| 18:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, they'd welcome patches. |
| 18:19.03 | Flandry | k thx |
| 18:21.08 | pupnik | my ram is unstable |
| 18:21.10 | amaurymedeiros | Thanks, mgedmin.. I will try this :] |
| 18:21.31 | pupnik | anyone built advmame yet? command-line ver? |
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| 18:22.06 | Flandry | no but i was looking into a mame port |
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| 18:22.36 | Flandry | the maintainer of SDLMAME is going to target pandora, so it might be an easy port with GL ES support |
| 18:23.35 | pupnik | wooot |
| 18:23.43 | pupnik | woot woot woot |
| 18:23.55 | jeremiah_ | sp3000: Thanks - I'll do that. |
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| 18:24.16 | jeremiah_ | sp3000: Garage has been uber-flaky :( |
| 18:24.38 | Flandry | http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=206713 |
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| 18:25.08 | Flandry | i plan on working on it, anyway |
| 18:27.43 | RST38h | Flandry: You want mame4all btw |
| 18:28.06 | RST38h | Flandry: It is kinda outdated and kinda limited, but it is your best bet as far as ARM-based portables are concerned |
| 18:32.35 | Flandry | perhaps that will be a better option, but if a specific pandora target shows up in current SDLMAME, it will be a pretty good option as well |
| 18:32.58 | Flandry | anyway i'm just starting to dig into it |
| 18:33.32 | RST38h | Well, the difference will be the choice of CPU emulators |
| 18:33.54 | RST38h | mame4all is known to use ARM-optimized CPU cores like Cyclone. Not sure about generic SDLMAME, even if it has Pandora target |
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| 18:35.22 | VDVsx | does anyone tried to use the new sbox installer ? |
| 18:35.47 | pupnik | i will when my pc is stable |
| 18:36.38 | pupnik | i would like a network activity monitor like load monitor applet. ine bar up, one bar down. scaled to max up/down bandwidth measured |
| 18:37.06 | VDVsx | not working in my ubuntu 9.04, hangs when needs to download the packages :( |
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| 18:43.28 | wazd | damn, how can a user make 400 posts in 1 month? :D |
| 18:43.46 | CoreFusion- | addiction? |
| 18:43.58 | wazd | I've made 411 in like 2 years :) |
| 18:43.58 | jeremiah_ | diahrrea of the keyboard? |
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| 18:44.03 | RST38h | that is only 12 a day or so |
| 18:44.21 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, 12 a day is low for talk |
| 18:44.24 | RST38h | if you do not read, only write, like a lot of people, it is quite possible |
| 18:44.30 | jeremiah_ | I can't even read 12 a day |
| 18:44.42 | RST38h | jeremiah: as I said, reading is not an issue |
| 18:44.51 | jeremiah_ | heh |
| 18:44.55 | jeremiah_ | So true, so true. |
| 18:45.22 | Flandry | ah "One of the big speed bumps in MAME history occured at 0.53 - when video went to 16-bit only. Before that MAME would use either an 8-bit or 16-bit. |
| 18:45.22 | Flandry | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.22 | Flandry | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.26 | wazd | N900 shipping delayed (3,469) <- ah, never mind :D |
| 18:45.39 | jeremiah_ | I CAN HAZ NEW google-chrom? |
| 18:45.43 | jeremiah_ | I CAN! |
| 18:46.38 | RST38h | Flandry: Mame4all still has 8bit support |
| 18:47.01 | RST38h | but for maemo you do not really want 8bit |
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| 18:47.10 | Flandry | Right |
| 18:47.50 | Flandry | The old OS2008 xmame port was version 0.58 |
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| 18:48.41 | wazd | but the increasing amount of stupidity and animosity I've witnessed here since November started is truly ludicrous... |
| 18:48.45 | wazd | | Joined on Sep 2009 |
| 18:49.25 | wazd | I'll better stay with IRC :D |
| 18:49.42 | Flandry | wazd: it's a plot by Google to undermine Maemo... |
| 18:49.50 | dmj7262 | Yeah, there's a lot of effort put into crazy complaining and silly, pointless speculation. |
| 18:50.07 | RST38h | No, just the Tentacled One breeding his dinner... |
| 18:50.19 | CoreFusion- | LOL: from t.m.o = My advice to would be buyers is hold off and get it cheaper from play.com - that'll teach em |
| 18:50.34 | CoreFusion- | "that'll teach em" |
| 18:50.37 | RST38h | teach whom? |
| 18:50.39 | CoreFusion- | hahaha |
| 18:50.53 | CoreFusion- | that was about pre-orders direct from Nokia |
| 18:51.27 | CoreFusion- | Like buying from another source would somehow not benefit Nokia.. |
| 18:51.31 | dmj7262 | I'd rather just get busy making the platform as application rich as possible |
| 18:51.50 | RST38h | dmj7262: You are not getting it |
| 18:52.40 | RST38h | dmj7262: The place has now filled up with geeks who can't write a single line of code but think they know everything about technology, based mostly on their gadget habits |
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| 18:53.18 | wazd | let's make closed section for "cool dudes" only :D |
| 18:53.18 | RST38h | dmj7262: Hence we are now getting all these "We should make <xxxx> for Maemo" |
| 18:53.35 | frals | agreed (sept 09 ftw, right? ;)) |
| 18:53.38 | dmj7262 | Yeah, I can't write just one line either |
| 18:53.40 | jeremiah_ | I'M IN UR N9OO FIXIN' UR MALE KLIENT |
| 18:53.40 | RST38h | dmj7262: To which I have now started answering "No problem, download the SDK and start coding" |
| 18:53.53 | VDVsx | <ifart> |
| 18:54.01 | RST38h | dmj7262: "Can't code? Then stop whining." |
| 18:54.17 | jeremiah_ | Does the N900 support ASP? |
| 18:54.28 | RST38h | Then there is a separate kind of messages of the type "I think Nokia should ..." |
| 18:54.33 | dmj7262 | keyword *just one* |
| 18:54.36 | lardman | jeremiah_: ! |
| 18:54.42 | lardman | jeremiah_: Just the man |
| 18:54.45 | jeremiah_ | ehlo lardman! |
| 18:54.57 | lardman | let me dig out that supersized tarball for you.... |
| 18:55.02 | dmj7262 | I sometimes make we should have... suggestions because I don't have the time for everything I think of. |
| 18:55.02 | jeremiah_ | I missed you yesterday |
| 18:55.08 | lardman | same here |
| 18:55.14 | lardman | ;) |
| 18:55.26 | jeremiah_ | Oh, was it me who wasn't here? |
| 18:55.32 | jeremiah_ | It may have been =] |
| 18:55.35 | lardman | nah, I think it was me actually |
| 18:55.37 | jeremiah_ | okay |
| 18:55.48 | lardman | long day, couldn't be arsed to boot the computer, etc |
| 18:55.53 | jeremiah_ | heh |
| 18:56.01 | jeremiah_ | I spent the entire evening / night on garage |
| 18:56.14 | jeremiah_ | Trying to get diablo to move built packages to their little nests in the repos |
| 18:56.26 | RST38h | jeremiah: still 10-vote threshold for extras promotion though? |
| 18:56.31 | lardman | ah, the famous diablo problem |
| 18:57.02 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: I'm hesitant to hack the code without talking with Xfade first |
| 18:57.11 | jeremiah_ | I mean, he has written a lot of it |
| 18:57.14 | RST38h | but the guy isn't coming back any time soon =) |
| 18:57.20 | jeremiah_ | Yeah he is |
| 18:58.10 | lardman | hm, 60k files in my build dir |
| 18:58.39 | jeremiah_ | That's all? |
| 18:58.51 | lardman | I do have 4 sb installations ;) |
| 18:58.59 | lardman | this one has been going for only a month |
| 18:59.10 | jeremiah_ | yowza |
| 18:59.21 | lardman | not all in the root, in sub dirs too! |
| 18:59.58 | lardman | I'll try uploading pocketsphinx one last time, and if it won't go, I'll stick it on my website for you to peruse |
| 19:00.16 | RST38h | What is it? =) |
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| 19:00.28 | lardman | voice recognition |
| 19:00.36 | RST38h | aha, speech recognition! and you have compiled flite too! |
| 19:00.48 | lardman | yeah, flite is in extras-devel now |
| 19:00.54 | lardman | http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ |
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| 19:00.57 | jeremiah_ | lardman: Right-o |
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| 19:01.31 | dmj7262 | Is the phone app open source? |
| 19:01.42 | lardman | RST38h: but only for fremantle atm, should work for diablo too though I imagine, but will prob need vfp flags in rules |
| 19:02.12 | lardman | and I couldn't be arsed to change targets and test tbh |
| 19:02.32 | RST38h | remembers to recompile newest vrsions of his stuff for diablo |
| 19:02.53 | lardman | I do, just takes a few days extra |
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| 19:03.40 | lardman | after I upload mbarcode I'll do some diablo hacking |
| 19:03.42 | philn-tp | hi there |
| 19:03.52 | lardman | in preparation for the sometime-coming pvr drivers |
| 19:04.06 | philn-tp | i am looking for gst pkgs with gst-debug enabled |
| 19:04.18 | lardman | philn-tp: recompile |
| 19:04.25 | lardman | I imagine |
| 19:04.30 | philn-tp | oh boy |
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| 19:04.56 | lardman | philn-tp: should be easy, just apt-get source and alter the rules file |
| 19:05.24 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, a lot of libs and other stuff often come with debug packages. |
| 19:05.37 | lardman | hmm, still "Sending request to garage.maemo.org..." |
| 19:05.41 | lardman | not a good sign |
| 19:05.43 | jeremiah_ | philn-tp: You may be able to pull a debugging package down from upstream |
| 19:06.15 | philn-tp | bah.. i guess i'll recompile |
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| 19:06.38 | lardman | jeremiah: |
| 19:06.39 | lardman | Maemo Extras Assistant |
| 19:06.40 | lardman | Step 4: check uploaded files |
| 19:06.40 | lardman | Checking your files: |
| 19:06.40 | lardman | File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again! |
| 19:06.49 | jeremiah_ | okay |
| 19:06.52 | jeremiah_ | There we have it. |
| 19:06.54 | lardman | I'll stick them on my website and give you an url |
| 19:06.59 | jeremiah_ | k |
| 19:07.07 | lardman | oh, you reckon it's a real error? |
| 19:07.33 | jeremiah_ | I suspect it is just blocking because you have hit some arbirary limit |
| 19:07.40 | Flandry | i gave up and used scp for the 130 MB game data package upload |
| 19:07.41 | jeremiah_ | Which I would guess is 20 Megs |
| 19:08.01 | jeremiah_ | not megs, |
| 19:08.18 | jeremiah_ | Actually, perhaps they have put this in php.ini or somethign |
| 19:10.04 | jeremiah_ | Looks like its 50 Megs |
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| 19:14.58 | lardman | nah, works for me, is a false error |
| 19:14.58 | lardman | hopes his website has enough space for ~30Mb of extra data |
| 19:15.10 | lardman|home | ~ping |
| 19:15.11 | infobot | ~pong |
| 19:15.17 | lardman|home | ah, much better |
| 19:15.44 | lardman|home | is here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/pocketsphinx/ |
| 19:15.51 | jeremiah_ | okay |
| 19:15.53 | lardman|home | needs optification if anyone fancies it |
| 19:15.59 | jeremiah_ | What am I looking for, a deb? |
| 19:16.04 | jeremiah_ | Or a tarball? |
| 19:16.04 | lardman|home | otherwise I'll get round to it eventually |
| 19:16.22 | jeremiah_ | Ah, the whole kit |
| 19:16.23 | jeremiah_ | Cool |
| 19:16.23 | lardman|home | all the debian stuff, .tar.gz + .dsc + .changes |
| 19:16.27 | lardman|home | ;) |
| 19:16.27 | jeremiah_ | yup |
| 19:16.37 | lardman|home | I'm learning, gradually.... |
| 19:17.03 | jeremiah_ | goes to slurp packages |
| 19:17.14 | philn-tp | ok so i recompiled gst and now can use GST_DEBUG ;) |
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| 19:17.53 | philn-tp | but a simple gst-launch audiotestsrc ! autoaudiosink fails .. to connect to pulseaudio |
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| 19:18.58 | lardman|home | does it work normally? |
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| 19:20.17 | jeremiah_ | lardman|home: uploaded and placed in fremantle |
| 19:20.40 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:20.50 | lardman|home | jeremiah: extras-devel? |
| 19:20.53 | lardman|home | thanks |
| 19:21.15 | lardman|home | can you make a note about upload sizes to pass onto Niels |
| 19:21.15 | jeremiah_ | Yes |
| 19:21.19 | jeremiah_ | Extras-devel |
| 19:21.19 | lardman|home | cool |
| 19:21.26 | jeremiah_ | lardman|home: What do you want me to say? |
| 19:21.33 | jeremiah_ | That you could not upload because of size? |
| 19:21.45 | lardman|home | just that it breaks for that package and I think it's related to the size of the tarball |
| 19:21.49 | lardman|home | no clue why |
| 19:22.00 | jeremiah_ | The tarball is only 21 megs |
| 19:22.05 | jeremiah_ | weird |
| 19:22.17 | lardman|home | yeah, but pretty big for a source tarball really |
| 19:22.35 | jeremiah_ | Yes, indeed. |
| 19:23.29 | Flandry | when i tried to upload the 130 mb package, it would eventually error out saying i hadn't uploaded a .changes file |
| 19:23.41 | pH5 | hi, it seems that h-a-m ignores the recommends field of debian packages. is there any other way to pull in support packages during installation without a hard dependency? |
| 19:23.44 | Flandry | so a timeout of some sort |
| 19:24.07 | jeremiah_ | okay |
| 19:24.24 | jeremiah_ | I'll note that and make sure X-Fade sees it. :) |
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| 19:24.37 | lardman|home | pH5: patch HAM I fear, it has other shortcomings too |
| 19:24.52 | lardman|home | pH5: would be nice if it asked if you wanted the recommends |
| 19:25.00 | Flandry | yes |
| 19:25.11 | Flandry | HAM could use some beefing up ;) |
| 19:25.24 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, I agree. But that might get confusing quickly if your recommends recommends something |
| 19:26.04 | lardman|home | Flandry: needs bg installation or multi (un)install |
| 19:26.17 | lardman|home | like the iPhone or Android phones do, all in the bg |
| 19:26.33 | jeremiah_ | Backgrounding installations would be awesome. |
| 19:26.48 | jeremiah_ | Perhaps check to see if we are on the charger, download the Package file. |
| 19:27.02 | Flandry | yeah they would. I just found out it's actually open, so i will look into some improvements i had in mind |
| 19:27.04 | lardman|home | should be doable, just keep a list of selected packages and then install anything that's not been installed yet, etc |
| 19:27.27 | ShadowJK | hm, did h-a-m on N8x0 prevent you from switching back to another app? |
| 19:27.30 | Flandry | installs deferred to wifi |
| 19:27.41 | lardman|home | ShadowJK: yeah, was modal |
| 19:27.41 | pwnguin | is confused |
| 19:27.42 | Flandry | that would be cool too |
| 19:27.47 | pwnguin | Does Ovi Store cost? |
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| 19:27.47 | jeremiah_ | Flandry: I think Daniel Wilms is doing a new kinda thing with Qt to sorta augment HAM |
| 19:27.51 | pwnguin | to subscribe to? |
| 19:27.56 | lardman|home | pwnguin: can do, but needn't |
| 19:28.00 | Flandry | oh ok |
| 19:28.00 | jeremiah_ | pwnguin: depends |
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| 19:28.22 | jeremiah_ | pwnguin: Ovi Mail is free. |
| 19:28.30 | lardman|home | jeremiah: depends how quickly we get Qt of course ;) |
| 19:28.39 | lardman|home | s/Qt/Maemo 6 |
| 19:28.40 | jeremiah_ | 4.6 is in though right? |
| 19:28.53 | jeremiah_ | ah |
| 19:28.53 | Flandry | jeremiah: that reminds me, could i get you to remove the uqm-altstart pkg please? |
| 19:28.53 | lardman|home | yeah |
| 19:28.56 | lardman|home | bbiab, supper time |
| 19:29.02 | jeremiah_ | Flandry: Yes, I'll do it right now |
| 19:29.08 | Flandry | thanks |
| 19:29.12 | jeremiah_ | Flandry: Is it in diablo or fremantle? |
| 19:29.14 | pwnguin | jeremiah_: for the purposes of this question, i'm just talking about the 50 dollar rebate offer |
| 19:29.18 | Flandry | fremantle |
| 19:29.25 | jeremiah_ | Flandry: check |
| 19:29.40 | jeremiah_ | pwnguin: I'm unfortunately not sure about that. |
| 19:29.50 | Flandry | yay, daily newb cleanup accomplished |
| 19:30.06 | pupnik | ? |
| 19:30.37 | pupnik | oh the package :) |
| 19:30.53 | Flandry | me or the package, either way :D |
| 19:31.41 | pwnguin | jeremiah_: my guess is they're trying to get a lot of people "subscribed" to the store so they can go to commercial app vendors and have an interested customer base to point to |
| 19:32.25 | pwnguin | and maybe some fake commercial success in their Ovi Store fueled by 50 dollar credits will lead to unsupported successes. i donno |
| 19:36.50 | jeremiah_ | pwnguin: Well, they definitely want paid apps on Ovi |
| 19:36.55 | jeremiah_ | That much I am sure about |
| 19:37.28 | jeremiah_ | I think it is application developers who are driving the Ovi store |
| 19:37.38 | jeremiah_ | I mean, Nokia has 1 billion customers |
| 19:37.54 | jeremiah_ | So, an App store would be pretty successful I imagine |
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| 19:38.26 | lardman|afk | is also for individual app devs to be able to use, not just large commercial firms |
| 19:38.50 | lardman|afk | and like the Android Market & iPhone App Store will allow both free and $ apps |
| 19:39.49 | lardman|afk | at least that's what I understood from the summit |
| 19:40.05 | pupnik | Flandry: i love uqm so much, sometimes i leave it running just for the tunes |
| 19:40.28 | pupnik | definitely recommend folks get the 3DO music |
| 19:40.46 | dmj7262 | uqm? |
| 19:40.50 | pupnik | which mod player did you use? |
| 19:40.54 | Flandry | yeah i need to get that promoted to testing |
| 19:41.09 | pupnik | The Ur-Quan Masters (gpl'd Star Control II) |
| 19:41.12 | Flandry | it keeps erroring with php errors |
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| 19:41.33 | Flandry | it's an internal version of libmikmod |
| 19:41.34 | pupnik | is the share data optified? |
| 19:41.40 | pupnik | ok i used it too |
| 19:41.58 | Flandry | everything goes in /opt/uqm now |
| 19:42.14 | lardman | ~lart the SDK for not having extras-* enabled |
| 19:42.14 | infobot | beats the SDK into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy for not having extras-* enabled |
| 19:42.22 | Flandry | i don't even make links, just put it in opt and the desktop file points there |
| 19:42.40 | pupnik | good |
| 19:42.49 | pupnik | less changes |
| 19:42.52 | dmj7262 | extras is enabled on the device, yes? |
| 19:43.16 | pupnik | user must enable |
| 19:43.23 | pupnik | but repo is there |
| 19:43.35 | lardman | dmj726: not by default, but the entry is there |
| 19:43.40 | Flandry | lardman: i requested that as a bug i think. qgil shout it down |
| 19:43.43 | lardman | too late |
| 19:43.47 | Flandry | shot |
| 19:43.53 | lardman | Flandry: in the SDK? |
| 19:43.59 | Flandry | yeah |
| 19:43.59 | dmj7262 | ah, so it's just that one checkbox that needs checking? |
| 19:44.03 | lardman | hmm, do you have a #? |
| 19:44.09 | lardman | dmj726: yep |
| 19:46.07 | Flandry | i'm looking. bugzilla search seems to have locked up firefox oO |
| 19:46.48 | lardman | np :) |
| 19:47.16 | pupnik | "By the fetid breath of the dark twin Kazon!" |
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| 19:48.06 | Flandry | searching "My Bugs" makes the tab unresponsive |
| 19:48.07 | Flandry | weird |
| 19:50.11 | wazd | hehe, omweather reached 2k downloads :) |
| 19:50.22 | pupnik | ++ |
| 19:51.16 | dmj7262 | umm...are there that many devices out there yet? |
| 19:52.41 | pH5 | i downloaded omweather in the sdk.. |
| 19:52.54 | jeremiah_ | Flandry: Removed uqm-altstart |
| 19:54.10 | lardman | dmj726: from previous devices too |
| 19:54.59 | dmj7262 | oh...not as impressive hen. |
| 19:55.02 | lardman | note to self, fix zbar so that python is a recommends rather than a dep |
| 19:55.04 | dmj7262 | *then |
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| 19:58.56 | Flandry | finally: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5752 |
| 19:58.57 | povbot | Bug 5752: Extras, extras-devel and extras-testing are not in the default apt sources.list |
| 19:59.09 | Flandry | wow, thanks povbot :D |
| 19:59.20 | pupnik | Flandry: message text in uqm is not high enough contrast for bright light imo |
| 19:59.35 | wazd | aaaaah |
| 19:59.36 | Flandry | is still creeped out by the awareness of IRC bots |
| 19:59.37 | pupnik | dark blue on dark blue looks cooÃl |
| 19:59.50 | wazd | Olmsted is not dead, he's a father again :D |
| 19:59.53 | Flandry | which messages? |
| 19:59.57 | pupnik | should not be in defyult! |
| 20:00.09 | pupnik | from planet surface |
| 20:00.21 | Flandry | lander broadcast? |
| 20:00.25 | pupnik | yeah |
| 20:00.28 | Flandry | i agree |
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| 20:00.39 | Flandry | i'll see if that's something i can fix :D |
| 20:01.04 | pupnik | it matches the blie on rest of screen |
| 20:01.21 | pupnik | i would either go cyan or green |
| 20:01.24 | lardman | hmm, do I need to compile camerabin for myself to install in sb? |
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| 20:03.50 | pupnik | Fwiffo is so great |
| 20:04.16 | pupnik | 241.6 368.7 Huffi-Muffi-Duffi |
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| 20:04.41 | Flandry | It's good you like him. He has thousands of related encrustlings or whatever the word is :D |
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| 20:06.57 | Flandry | jeremiah: thanks. I'm beginning to think that the inability to view the package page for the big data package i mentioned earlier so that i can promote it to testing is a bug and not just due to slow servers. It fails every time with PHP errors and i've not seen that happen any other times. |
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| 20:08.28 | Khertan_home | Hi ! |
| 20:08.35 | Flandry | hello |
| 20:08.50 | Khertan_home | Does there is know bug with openssh-server on Fremantle ? |
| 20:08.54 | Khertan_home | 'PTY allocation request failed on channel 0' |
| 20:09.01 | Khertan_home | when i try to ssh from my desktop |
| 20:09.31 | pupnik | triscan scaler is my favorite in uqm - nice performance on N900 |
| 20:09.41 | wazd | aaaaaah |
| 20:09.48 | wazd | now I see where I saw that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVZ6E9EnJ3I |
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| 20:10.30 | Flandry | pupnik: Oh, really? What kind of framerates do you get in combat? |
| 20:11.04 | pupnik | will check |
| 20:11.15 | pupnik | maybe it is too slow for combat |
| 20:11.51 | Khertan_home | [21:09] <Khertan_home> 'PTY allocation request failed on channel 0' <<< too many xterm open on the n900 |
| 20:11.51 | Khertan_home | :) |
| 20:11.53 | pupnik | heheh |
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| 20:12.43 | pupnik | the pause feature rules |
| 20:13.52 | Flandry | jeremiah: Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/maemo/packages/handler/repository/repository.php on line 542 |
| 20:14.46 | konttori | pupnik: how much cpu do you consume for the scaling atm? |
| 20:15.00 | konttori | I'm weighting soft scaling vs compositing |
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| 20:20.44 | pupnik | can not ssh into device konttori - diagnosing |
| 20:21.08 | jkridner|work | omap3 on non-nokia devices is going on live now. http://tinyurl.com/etechlightning on the Part 2 stream. |
| 20:22.00 | RST38h | konttori: Weighting for what? =) |
| 20:22.31 | konttori | well, interested in how much the compositor scaling will help you guys |
| 20:22.44 | konttori | as that was implemented 2 weeks ago |
| 20:22.58 | konttori | I showed javispedro the example code on how to use it |
| 20:23.00 | RST38h | Software scaling is a bit tricky |
| 20:23.12 | konttori | (to verify that he was ok with the api of it) |
| 20:23.20 | javispedro | konttori: you said it was not implemented in 1.0 release, but Iirc I saw the code on previous SDK' hildon-desktop |
| 20:23.25 | RST38h | Can I try compositing too? =) |
| 20:23.26 | konttori | (as we needed to verify from at least one 'user' of the api) |
| 20:23.38 | konttori | javispedro: yeah, it's up for the first SSU release |
| 20:23.55 | konttori | RST38h: just get the latest desktop from git |
| 20:24.01 | Flandry | Right now it just uses the SDL to scale |
| 20:24.04 | RST38h | konttori: Software scaling only makes sense if you know exactly the ratio between source and destination bitmaps |
| 20:24.04 | javispedro | well user user, i'll have to switch from SDL to Gtk+, but I planned that either way. |
| 20:24.09 | RST38h | konttori: oh ok |
| 20:24.21 | konttori | I think there is also the example code in git now |
| 20:24.42 | RST38h | konttori: But if you know the ratio, you can write very tight assembly code that scales your image, even with antialiasing |
| 20:25.35 | konttori | yeah, I'm kind of assuming that that might or might not be faster. |
| 20:25.49 | javispedro | basically, the code puts the unscaled data in a new extra x11 window that the compositor handles in a special way -- converting from pixmap to texture the usual way but scaling the result |
| 20:25.50 | Flandry | it also uses a normal sdl canvas. I was considering changing it to a hardware canvas but don't know how much benefit there is in that |
| 20:26.06 | javispedro | Flandry: SDL to scale? |
| 20:26.10 | RST38h | javis: sounds somewhat complicated |
| 20:26.17 | javispedro | sdl 1.2 scaling functions are awfully slow! |
| 20:26.23 | javispedro | at least use sdl_gfx |
| 20:26.43 | Flandry | it may be uqm-specific code |
| 20:26.44 | Flandry | i just used what was there ;) |
| 20:26.58 | Flandry | you can actually select the scaling algorithm in the setup |
| 20:27.00 | konttori | javispedro: hmm... cannot you use the scaling from sdl? |
| 20:27.12 | konttori | (compositor scaling) |
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| 20:28.03 | javispedro | konttori: it's not trivial for me right now how to paint to a GtkWindow right now -- RST38h may know that better than me. |
| 20:28.45 | javispedro | is watching the Maemo on TI broadcast |
| 20:29.02 | Laiska | also |
| 20:29.12 | konttori | So, the scaling would only work for gtk? ouch, that sucks. |
| 20:30.03 | konttori | I really didn't have the time to follow on the the implementation and figured your confirmation was enough |
| 20:30.04 | Stskeeps | yet another interview over |
| 20:30.05 | javispedro | konttori: SDL has no builtin scaling functions either way. |
| 20:30.07 | Stskeeps | my ear is burning |
| 20:30.19 | javispedro | :) |
| 20:30.23 | javispedro | Stskeeps: but as usual, good job |
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| 20:30.33 | konttori | ah, but setting the window properties of the sdl window should have been enough afaik |
| 20:30.43 | toggles_w | fuck u |
| 20:30.44 | javispedro | that is doable I think |
| 20:30.49 | konttori | that was what we pretty much agreed on pre-implementation. |
| 20:30.52 | Flandry | oOo |
| 20:31.01 | toggles_w | toggles_w: sorry, focus.. |
| 20:31.07 | toggles_w | lol |
| 20:31.08 | konttori | that you need to set the scale region to the xwindow properties |
| 20:31.36 | javispedro | yeah, skipping the HildonAnimationActor stuff and just setting the proper xatoms |
| 20:31.52 | konttori | what is ti broadcast? |
| 20:32.06 | konttori | javispedro: that should do the trick |
| 20:32.22 | Stskeeps | konttori: http://wiki.omap.com/index.php/ETechDays_Community_Lightning_Talks |
| 20:32.34 | Stskeeps | did a talk on maemo on non-nokia devices |
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| 20:34.26 | konttori | cool |
| 20:34.36 | javispedro | well, will try this after dinner and see what needs to be done in sdl apps (if the latest sdk has that implemented) |
| 20:34.37 | konttori | good presentation (checked the slides) |
| 20:34.42 | Stskeeps | quick and sweet |
| 20:34.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:35.52 | konttori | Stskeeps: how was the reception of your presentation? |
| 20:36.11 | BabelO | hi guys |
| 20:36.24 | BabelO | what about maemo 5 / N900 and MMS with this http://www.mbuni.org/status.shtml ? |
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| 20:36.48 | Stskeeps | konttori: deafening silence in irc channel but the main thing is that when someone comes and reads the presentation + the video with the slides on and me talking, it may in the future inspire someone to participate in Maemo on Beagle/Zoom2 or Mer. and that's what is worth something. |
| 20:36.56 | javispedro | frals: mms keyword, wake up! |
| 20:37.01 | javispedro | ;) |
| 20:37.08 | konttori | BabelO: really interesting. |
| 20:37.09 | smackpotat | mzzz so there was no noticible increase in speed with that ramdrive |
| 20:37.26 | BabelO | konttori: yes i see that interesting too :) |
| 20:37.31 | konttori | needed to reboot his device after ubifs had totally wasted 100% of rootfs |
| 20:39.07 | woglinde | konttori nice |
| 20:40.11 | BabelO | konttori: need some work for the interface , but i ve no MMS full credit to devel this app :) |
| 20:40.41 | pupnik | konttori: triscan: 53% during conversations.39% during idle conversation Ãmenu |
| 20:41.32 | konttori | wow. so, that is only the scaling? |
| 20:43.56 | Flandry | triscan is using 53% of CPU time during conversations? |
| 20:43.58 | tigert | hmm |
| 20:44.10 | tigert | is extras-devel borken? |
| 20:44.32 | Flandry | how so? |
| 20:44.36 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.45 | tigert | some no hash error |
| 20:44.57 | pupnik | planet rotastion view 31% |
| 20:45.48 | pupnik | konttori: uqm rarely/never does fullscreen updates |
| 20:46.03 | konttori | ah. of course |
| 20:46.28 | konttori | plugin headphones to decrease pulseaudio consumption |
| 20:46.53 | konttori | it doesn't do equalization changes if you have headphones (or bluetooth) on |
| 20:47.13 | pupnik | nice hint ty |
| 20:47.50 | pupnik | it uses eq to get good performance out of tiny speakers konttori ? |
| 20:47.54 | konttori | I would really like the equalization to be turnable off for also the speakers |
| 20:47.58 | woglinde | bahaha android port |
| 20:48.00 | konttori | pupnik: that's the idea. |
| 20:48.18 | woglinde | hm ah |
| 20:48.20 | woglinde | 19:30 David Schleef ds Theora decoding on DSP |
| 20:48.23 | pupnik | one capacitor would do the trick tolo :) |
| 20:48.26 | konttori | and also to not-to-put 1000 Hz audio out, as that resonates on the device |
| 20:48.28 | pupnik | too |
| 20:48.33 | pupnik | ah |
| 20:48.45 | woglinde | hm stskeep too |
| 20:48.53 | derf | woglinde: He backed out. |
| 20:48.57 | pupnik | i wont ask about dsp :) |
| 20:49.12 | konttori | really doesn't understand the reasoning on why to use the equalization and not a fraction of a cent costing chip |
| 20:49.44 | jeremiah_ | tigert: It may be the mirrors |
| 20:49.54 | tigert | jeremiah_: ok |
| 20:49.56 | jeremiah_ | tigert: Can you paste the error you're getting? |
| 20:50.11 | jeremiah_ | I can check the Packages file to see if it is corrupt |
| 20:50.16 | RST38h | konttori: chip or a capacitor? |
| 20:50.17 | jeremiah_ | It happens. :( |
| 20:50.34 | woglinde | hm I wonder if this xmbc guy uses the dsp stuff |
| 20:50.42 | konttori | RST38h: well, an electronic component, whatever does the trick(s) |
| 20:51.31 | tigert | "no hash entry in Release file" |
| 20:52.08 | RST38h | konttori: capacitor will probably take more space |
| 20:52.19 | woglinde | moo rst |
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| 20:52.52 | RST38h | remoo woglinde |
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| 21:05.21 | frals | javispedro: darn, gf ninjamuted my laptop otherwise i wouldve answered ;-) |
| 21:05.58 | javispedro | frals: I knew there had to be some earth shattering excuse ;) |
| 21:06.52 | dmj7262 | ah the old ninjamutation excuse! |
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| 21:11.07 | jeremiah_ | Ninjamute! |
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| 21:12.59 | dmj7262 | Gnundroid |
| 21:14.10 | pupnik | has anyone got qik working? qik.com/arnims should be live |
| 21:14.32 | pupnik | 2mbit adsl |
| 21:14.53 | pupnik | i think 384kbit/s up |
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| 21:22.02 | Ceron^ | http://zip.4chan.org/g/src/1258492069875.jpg You now want to go to pripyat |
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| 21:24.51 | JoeBrain | Ceron^: what's that a picture of? |
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| 21:27.33 | andre__ | JoeBrain: chernobyl area |
| 21:27.45 | JoeBrain | spooky |
| 21:27.46 | Ceron^ | JoeBrain: pripyat and area close to chernobyl |
| 21:28.28 | v2px | Ceron^: oh, threadlink pls |
| 21:28.46 | Ceron^ | i have no thread sorry |
| 21:28.50 | Ceron^ | might be on englishrussia.com |
| 21:28.57 | mikhas | there was a post in the blogosphere some time ago, about someone taking the offer of a guided chernobyl trip |
| 21:29.08 | v2px | oh okay, nvm |
| 21:29.10 | andre__ | v2px, http://community.livejournal.com/abandonedplaces/1651741.html |
| 21:29.40 | andre__ | or the www.kiddofspeed.com/ webpage... |
| 21:29.51 | v2px | got it |
| 21:29.59 | v2px | on 4ch |
| 21:29.59 | v2px | :) |
| 21:30.54 | andre__ | now what was my original intention? ah yeah, forwarding bugs from internal to external [sic]... |
| 21:31.43 | VDVsx | would like to visit that place :) |
| 21:32.12 | CoreFusion- | is under a livelong surveillance because of that |
| 21:32.20 | johnsq | and get a good portion of radiation |
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| 21:34.48 | lardman | night all |
| 21:34.55 | javispedro | bye lardman |
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| 21:35.52 | mikhas | johnsq, the radiation in the air is reported to be acceptable. it's the radioactivity in the soil that requires good footwear |
| 21:36.28 | andre__ | CoreFusion-, uh? |
| 21:36.48 | mikhas | and even that would have gone by now if back then they hadn't just burried under the soil, but carried it away and treated it as toxic waste |
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| 21:38.36 | CoreFusion- | andre_: I'm part of a randomly selected people born in 1985-1986 who are from time to time checked for various stuff |
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| 21:38.53 | Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2j_GPIqRA what is love by gates |
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| 21:39.10 | andre__ | CoreFusion-, aha... interesting |
| 21:39.20 | Stskeeps | CoreFusion-: so you were born with a third leg? :P |
| 21:39.31 | greenfly | how would one unmap the hardware volume keys before starting an application? |
| 21:39.37 | greenfly | trying to get right-click back in vncviewer |
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| 21:40.24 | owen | hi |
| 21:42.45 | javispedro | oh my god |
| 21:42.52 | javispedro | i just mounted the sd card without long filenames |
| 21:43.08 | javispedro | flashback to the past |
| 21:43.13 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | greenfly, there's a page on the wiki. |
| 21:44.26 | owen | Hi There, anybody got their n900 yet? |
| 21:44.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Porting_Existing_GTK%2B_Application_to_Maemo_5#Remapping_volume_keys |
| 21:45.45 | SpeedEvil | owen: The news is a lie. |
| 21:45.54 | SpeedEvil | owen: it's not - yet - shipped to end users. |
| 21:46.04 | owen | some mention of Friday?? |
| 21:46.13 | SpeedEvil | owen: It may have shipped to distributors, but not yet actual normal people. |
| 21:46.35 | owen | oh well I have installed the SDK and sandbox |
| 21:46.53 | owen | but my c skills are very rusty |
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| 21:48.36 | owen | so when do you really think it will ship to end users??? |
| 21:48.56 | owen | before Christmas surely?!! |
| 21:49.06 | CoreFusion- | Nokia shop here in Finland start delivering this friday and the goal is to have all pre-orders delivered during next week (only for those who have ordered directly from Nokia, others will follow the next week after that) |
| 21:49.38 | owen | i ordered from Nokia UK so here's hoping.... |
| 21:50.04 | ShadowJK | I noticed a subtle change in one of the operators' responses on webforums here in .fi. They said something like "looks currently like we'll be allowed to ship <date>", the 'allow' part could imply they have units |
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| 21:50.30 | CoreFusion- | ShadowJK: What operator? |
| 21:50.46 | greenfly | GeneralAntilles: thanks, I appreaciate it |
| 21:50.48 | greenfly | er, appreciate |
| 21:51.25 | greenfly | GeneralAntilles: ahh, so if I want a particular app to do this I'm going to need to modify that app's source it looks like |
| 21:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | greenfly, yes. |
| 21:52.26 | ShadowJK | Saunalahti |
| 21:52.28 | owen | any word on despotify |
| 21:52.29 | greenfly | okay |
| 21:53.07 | CoreFusion- | ShadowJK: Sounds good :) that's where I have ordered my N900 :) |
| 21:53.20 | ShadowJK | I ordered from nokia |
| 21:54.55 | konttori | owen: I have heard despotify is a straight compilation |
| 21:55.07 | konttori | so, perhaps someone needs to take the time and package it. |
| 21:55.20 | konttori | and then someone else to make UI for it. |
| 21:55.32 | konttori | I mean the command line despotify works like a charm |
| 21:55.47 | owen | hope so, I might get that hand of compliation by next summer |
| 21:55.47 | VDVsx | I saw some Qt version if I recall correctly |
| 21:55.49 | konttori | http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/downloads/appsdown/1285-despotify-open-source-spotify-client-running-on-a-nokia-n900 |
| 21:56.00 | VDVsx | that's it^ |
| 21:56.36 | konttori | can someone please take the time and package that? |
| 21:56.55 | konttori | I am not using it myself, but that would be wonderful for people who do use spotify. |
| 21:57.03 | konttori | (anybody willing to invite me?) |
| 21:57.07 | owen | sure |
| 21:57.33 | VDVsx | can be a good candidate for the UX hackfest, if it needs some UI love |
| 21:57.35 | owen | I'm running it under wine |
| 21:57.48 | CoreFusion- | would like an invite too.. |
| 21:57.54 | konttori | yeah, definitely needs UI love |
| 21:58.04 | owen | I need your email addys |
| 21:58.09 | suihkulokki | despotify needs paid account |
| 21:58.13 | VDVsx | can you use spotify in Finland ? |
| 21:58.15 | konttori | urho.konttori@gmail.com |
| 21:58.19 | konttori | VDVsx: yeah you can |
| 21:58.35 | konttori | it needs paid account? |
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| 21:58.49 | CoreFusion- | How much is it? |
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| 21:58.56 | konttori | does it work in the ad paid mode at all? |
| 21:59.00 | suihkulokki | free accounts are supported by ads and despotiy doesn't support playing spotify ads |
| 21:59.16 | konttori | suihkulokki: can somebody just add the support? |
| 21:59.35 | suihkulokki | maybe the despot developers think it would be too easy to mod it not to play ads |
| 21:59.51 | konttori | http://www.spotify.com/en/ --> 9.99 per month |
| 21:59.53 | VDVsx | bahhh : " Spotify is currently available in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France and Spain. We hope to launch in more countries in the future." |
| 22:01.11 | owen | sent to urho |
| 22:01.24 | konttori | owen: thanks |
| 22:01.31 | CoreFusion- | hmph... too much for me, I hope they will implement support for ads |
| 22:01.49 | konttori | I would also love to have the ad supported version. |
| 22:02.02 | konttori | well, I can always use my mac, but still. |
| 22:02.05 | CoreFusion- | owen: can you spare me one :) |
| 22:02.24 | owen | yeah sure whats your email? |
| 22:02.41 | CoreFusion- | corefusion@gmail.com |
| 22:03.05 | CoreFusion- | hx |
| 22:03.07 | CoreFusion- | thx* |
| 22:03.15 | owen | sent |
| 22:03.33 | owen | only for Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France or Spain. |
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| 22:03.40 | VDVsx | don't paste email here, the channel is logged, you're risking more spam :P |
| 22:03.41 | owen | according to website |
| 22:04.03 | VDVsx | owen, yup, can't use it :( |
| 22:04.11 | owen | gmail has good spam filters though |
| 22:04.18 | owen | Arrr |
| 22:04.29 | CoreFusion- | i was just about to say that :) |
| 22:04.43 | CoreFusion- | have been using for years and i have had spam in my inbox less than 10 times |
| 22:05.13 | Flandry | pupnik: I changed the lander discovery font to light green in next uqm version |
| 22:05.23 | Flandry | thanks for reporting :) |
| 22:05.36 | VDVsx | CoreFusion-, true, they could use their spam filters in google groups as well, my inbox spam is all from groups :( |
| 22:05.58 | konttori | night all! |
| 22:06.50 | CoreFusion- | nn |
| 22:07.47 | owen | later |
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| 22:08.10 | javispedro | if you every use samba as server on a tablet, ensure you don't get selected as the domain local master. |
| 22:08.20 | javispedro | or watch your battery burn. |
| 22:08.43 | javispedro | well, with smb your battery will burn either way, but still. |
| 22:08.55 | pupnik | how big is the install of server+client, javispedro ? |
| 22:09.06 | javispedro | hum.. I didn't measure it. |
| 22:09.20 | pupnik | used to be giant |
| 22:09.38 | javispedro | well, the smbd binary is 2.6 MiB |
| 22:09.43 | javispedro | this is with -Os |
| 22:10.35 | javispedro | here it is. server = 2.8 MiB (.deb compression) |
| 22:10.37 | pupnik | k |
| 22:10.49 | pupnik | very much better |
| 22:15.50 | pupnik | javispedro: tried blitting snes 2x withiut emu running |
| 22:16.03 | pupnik | just to test sdl update at 523x384? |
| 22:16.31 | javispedro | aha |
| 22:16.39 | pupnik | i saw some talk about gtk pixbufs etc |
| 22:16.41 | lbt | has anyone used gnokki with the n900 ? |
| 22:16.56 | pupnik | never saw fps for standard sdl blits |
| 22:17.01 | lbt | I asked earlier but I've been out :) |
| 22:17.03 | pupnik | nit i |
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| 22:29.33 | pupnik | so cool how you can escape out of sdl with tap upper left |
| 22:29.51 | pupnik | tries running many things :) |
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| 22:37.15 | dmkae | hey pupnik |
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| 22:38.04 | b-man17 | ~seen xnt14 |
| 22:38.05 | infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-71-190-240-27.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 11h 37s ago, saying: 'awesome ;)'. |
| 22:38.20 | b-man17 | hm |
| 22:38.26 | pupnik | dude javispedro 50% system load |
| 22:38.38 | pupnik | to get video + audio out the door |
| 22:38.41 | pupnik | jesus |
| 22:38.55 | javispedro | ah, well.. |
| 22:39.28 | pupnik | this needs to become a dialogue again |
| 22:39.41 | pupnik | and i am not sure i should be very active in it |
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| 22:41.17 | pupnik | might be fun eh? |
| 22:41.54 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:42.26 | pupnik | apparently i was not nearly enough of a pain in the ass last time |
| 22:43.44 | pupnik | btw i am using a > a b > z x > x y > s also Fn for escape |
| 22:44.12 | pupnik | cursor keys win over n810 dpad, handily :) good job there, nokia |
| 22:44.20 | javispedro | they do? |
| 22:44.23 | javispedro | that's nice to hear. |
| 22:44.29 | jaem | pupnik, definitely |
| 22:44.33 | pupnik | for me |
| 22:44.43 | jaem | the keyboard is pretty nice once you get used to it |
| 22:44.49 | javispedro | wonders how they'll do playing mario kart |
| 22:44.58 | CoreFusion- | i don't like the dpad on N810... |
| 22:45.03 | LiraNuna | how's the battery life? |
| 22:45.06 | CoreFusion- | the center button is too big |
| 22:45.14 | jaem | my main annoyance is that there are two buttons under the space key - it's probably necessary, but it always throws me off when touch-typing |
| 22:45.22 | jaem | LiraNuna, should get you through a day |
| 22:45.35 | javispedro | ouch |
| 22:45.45 | LiraNuna | "horrible" eh |
| 22:45.49 | pupnik | buttons under the space key? |
| 22:45.58 | jaem | I use it quite heavily, the more so because it's new and shiny, and lasts me about a day - also, it's prerelease, so the retail units may be better |
| 22:46.01 | javispedro | sees that only animation actors and remote textures are scaled |
| 22:46.08 | javispedro | so I'd need to create a new window from SDL... though. |
| 22:46.10 | jaem | pupnik, two actual switches |
| 22:46.21 | LiraNuna | jaem, oh right, some stuff are disabled aren't they? |
| 22:46.26 | jaem | sometimes it will feel like it's doubleclicked |
| 22:46.28 | jaem | LiraNuna, not sure |
| 22:46.28 | javispedro | this needs more though. |
| 22:46.30 | LiraNuna | I've heard BT is disabled |
| 22:46.36 | jaem | LiraNuna, not with mine |
| 22:46.37 | LiraNuna | (on the preview units) |
| 22:46.38 | jaem | it's a later model |
| 22:46.40 | LiraNuna | I see |
| 22:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | LiraNuna, really early protos. |
| 22:46.52 | jaem | keep in mind, though, that I use it heavily, and that it is a computer |
| 22:46.57 | pupnik | bt works here mostly |
| 22:46.59 | LiraNuna | GeneralAntilles, I didn't know it changed |
| 22:47.10 | GeneralAntilles | LiraNuna, most of the bloggers you've seen have gotten them in very roundabout ways. |
| 22:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | LiraNuna, and their units are REALLY early. |
| 22:47.20 | LiraNuna | I see |
| 22:47.24 | LiraNuna | was it software issue? |
| 22:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hardware, AFAIK |
| 22:47.34 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 22:47.38 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of them have 16GB, too. |
| 22:47.43 | LiraNuna | ah yes |
| 22:47.49 | LiraNuna | I recall that too |
| 22:47.51 | CoreFusion- | But that doesn't matter now :) |
| 22:47.51 | GeneralAntilles | Mines from around September and its hardware mostly matches retail. |
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| 22:48.04 | jaem | GeneralAntilles, mine was borrowed from Nokia at Dev Days, for a project |
| 22:48.28 | LiraNuna | how about software? can I get a uname -a? :D |
| 22:48.53 | jaem | LiraNuna, one sec |
| 22:49.02 | GeneralAntilles | Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wed Oct 28 15:32:55 EET 2009 armv7l unknown |
| 22:49.17 | pupnik | well no need to buy a n900 for performance in sdl games |
| 22:49.25 | LiraNuna | .28? |
| 22:49.26 | pupnik | slower than n800 |
| 22:49.37 | pupnik | salutes |
| 22:49.39 | jaem | Linux Jelena 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT [date] armv7l unknown |
| 22:49.44 | jaem | same |
| 22:49.47 | javispedro | pupnik: not surprised (compositor, pulseaudio, ...) |
| 22:49.56 | LiraNuna | I thought they're gonna use .31 |
| 22:49.56 | jaem | LiraNuna, yes - at least it's fairly recent now |
| 22:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, seems like there were some performance fixes in the pipeline. |
| 22:50.37 | LiraNuna | .28 has a lot of performance regressions |
| 22:50.39 | pupnik | im going to imagination forums someday with a cart full of trout |
| 22:50.44 | pupnik | ah nice |
| 22:50.45 | LiraNuna | .27-.29 to be exact |
| 22:51.08 | javispedro | well the kernel version is probably not going to change for the whole of the n900 lifetime. |
| 22:51.17 | javispedro | unless you consider m6 plans.. |
| 22:51.23 | Flandry | slower than N800? oO |
| 22:51.30 | pupnik | sad |
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| 22:51.57 | pupnik | flandry, i can give you patch to make uqm update fullscreen |
| 22:52.06 | pupnik | but what for |
| 22:52.14 | LiraNuna | <pupnik> slower than n800 |
| 22:52.16 | LiraNuna | joke? |
| 22:52.29 | Flandry | why would we want to update fullscreen? |
| 22:52.34 | pupnik | look at that 'top' output under drnoksnes guys |
| 22:52.41 | LiraNuna | I thought there's HW accel now |
| 22:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | LiraNuna, specifically for SDL. :) |
| 22:52.46 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 22:52.55 | pupnik | lira comparing now |
| 22:52.56 | javispedro | pupnik: warning, warning. remember drnoksnes on n900 uses sw scaling. |
| 22:52.58 | LiraNuna | so SDL does not use HW accel I take it? |
| 22:53.01 | GeneralAntilles | LiraNuna, and, like I said, I think there are performance fixes in the pipeline. |
| 22:53.04 | Flandry | no |
| 22:53.09 | LiraNuna | figures |
| 22:53.16 | Flandry | afaik no hardware acceleration of anything |
| 22:53.20 | LiraNuna | but "slower" would still be weird |
| 22:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | There's an SDL OpenGL bug on bugzilla. |
| 22:53.28 | javispedro | pupnik: use "none" scaler |
| 22:53.30 | LiraNuna | as 400MHz -> 600MHz is significant |
| 22:53.42 | javispedro | OpenGL doesn't help for putting 2D images |
| 22:53.44 | LiraNuna | especially on ARM |
| 22:53.55 | LiraNuna | wants OpenVG |
| 22:54.04 | javispedro | well it's not much significant when the bottleneck is memory bandwidth. |
| 22:54.27 | LiraNuna | oh, so it's bandwidth problem, not rendering speed |
| 22:54.38 | javispedro | yeah. we're talking about 2d here. |
| 22:54.41 | javispedro | putting pixels to screen. |
| 22:54.46 | LiraNuna | right |
| 22:55.10 | CShadowRun | Wasn't the N900 supposed to be in shops yesterday? |
| 22:55.11 | Flandry | still, wouldn't using a OGL surface for SDL speed that up? |
| 22:55.25 | javispedro | no, why? |
| 22:55.32 | LiraNuna | I thought it's 30th Nov |
| 22:55.34 | javispedro | opengl is not designed for "putting pixels to screen" |
| 22:55.48 | CShadowRun | i heard 16th, but meh ok :P |
| 22:55.56 | LiraNuna | I might be wrong too |
| 22:56.07 | LiraNuna | I mean, that's what newegg says -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205178 |
| 22:56.10 | Flandry | i guess i'm thinking of a device with video RAM |
| 22:56.27 | ShadowJK | Still, lcuk manages to push lots more pixels to screen on n900? :) |
| 22:56.43 | javispedro | yeah, he uses xv. |
| 22:56.44 | CShadowRun | wikipedia says it was released on 11th november :S |
| 22:56.46 | Flandry | it *would* be faster for scaling |
| 22:56.54 | Flandry | right? |
| 22:56.56 | pupnik | k i was wrong, n900 faster - n8110 hd disabled accurate gfx |
| 22:57.14 | CShadowRun | I went into a vodafone shop today and asked about the release date, they tried to sell me an Xperia X1, i was like :| |
| 22:57.14 | javispedro | pupnik: accurate gfx having such an impact? which rom you're testing? |
| 22:57.21 | CShadowRun | And i chuckled when they said Windows CE |
| 22:57.24 | pupnik | n900 1 fps faster - ct |
| 22:57.29 | Flandry | lol |
| 22:57.36 | LiraNuna | lmao |
| 22:57.41 | CShadowRun | They told me it was just as capable |
| 22:57.41 | CShadowRun | xD |
| 22:57.46 | jaem | CShadowRun, ha! were they just trying to sell you something else, or were they being stupid? |
| 22:57.53 | javispedro | ct... this reminds me of the mode5 borders bug. baaah |
| 22:58.02 | CShadowRun | jaem, just trying to sell me something else, they apparently arn't going to be offering the N900 on contract |
| 22:58.09 | LiraNuna | mode5 border bug? GBA? |
| 22:58.17 | CShadowRun | They also told me the N97 mini was the same as the N900 |
| 22:58.22 | jaem | um... |
| 22:58.25 | javispedro | LiraNuna: SNES |
| 22:58.30 | CShadowRun | yea... |
| 22:58.30 | pupnik | lets just have sdl HW surface be something accelerated and non composited |
| 22:58.38 | LiraNuna | GBA inherited that 'bug' as well |
| 22:58.54 | pupnik | pls? |
| 22:59.07 | pupnik | ir i will wind up the whine siren here |
| 22:59.07 | LiraNuna | MODE5 - double buffered framebuffer 128x96 px 16bit |
| 22:59.31 | javispedro | LiraNuna: what you mean by GBA? snezzy or other snes emus on gba? or actual gba hw? |
| 22:59.47 | LiraNuna | actual GBA HW |
| 23:00.00 | javispedro | oh. |
| 23:00.03 | javispedro | never read of it :P |
| 23:00.12 | Flandry | well what does an "accelerated" HW surface mean in SDL then in N900 context |
| 23:00.26 | javispedro | in SDL means little. |
| 23:00.46 | pupnik | something where i blit 400x240 and fill screen without software scaling |
| 23:00.48 | javispedro | I mean, in current SDL on N900. |
| 23:00.59 | pupnik | and wiithout copying unnexessary data |
| 23:01.23 | Flandry | because memory bandwidth is the limiter, right |
| 23:01.30 | Flandry | and there's no VRAM |
| 23:01.32 | javispedro | no, because it does not do nothing :) |
| 23:01.32 | pupnik | that is the damn proble description |
| 23:01.34 | javispedro | exactly :) |
| 23:01.42 | LiraNuna | no texture cache? |
| 23:02.12 | LiraNuna | I thought it's OGL ES 2.0, no shader support to scale? |
| 23:02.21 | javispedro | setting SDL_HWSURFACE does nothing, that's what I mean. |
| 23:02.36 | javispedro | because ... nothing's implemented. |
| 23:02.57 | LiraNuna | right, but is it possible? |
| 23:03.01 | LiraNuna | <Flandry> and there's no VRAM |
| 23:03.24 | javispedro | of course you can use OGLES 2.0 |
| 23:03.50 | Flandry | but it is reading/writing to main memory unless it fits in registers |
| 23:03.55 | Flandry | seems pretty pointless actually |
| 23:04.00 | pupnik | hmm glsdl |
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| 23:04.12 | pupnik | ok |
| 23:04.16 | javispedro | but remember that your color buffer will get converted into a texture and drawn again... |
| 23:04.21 | javispedro | by the compositor. |
| 23:04.24 | Flandry | i hadn't really thought of it in those terms :/ |
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| 23:04.57 | javispedro | and the pandora guys basically said that the powervr sucks at updating textures. |
| 23:05.24 | Flandry | how much cache does the GPU have? |
| 23:05.28 | javispedro | (there's this new nokia texture_from_pixmaps which may be faster though) |
| 23:06.59 | pupnik | javispedro: i hate how drnok lurches ... damn... |
| 23:07.10 | pupnik | like a stumbling drunk |
| 23:07.12 | pupnik | argh |
| 23:07.43 | pupnik | how about a volume limiter as an nalternative to eq. konttori is right |
| 23:08.45 | pupnik | omething an app could request from dbzs? |
| 23:08.57 | javispedro | dunno what you mean by lurching... |
| 23:09.21 | pupnik | slow fast slow fast |
| 23:09.30 | javispedro | hm. |
| 23:10.14 | javispedro | does that happen with a fixed frameskip? |
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| 23:13.30 | javispedro | either way debugging anything without hw is absolutely awful and I don't plan to do it again :) |
| 23:14.35 | Flandry | yeah i can understand that |
| 23:15.08 | CoreFusion- | listenign to Waldo on spotify, thanks owen! |
| 23:15.10 | Flandry | i've been looking at info on the SGX 530. Still can't see any info on cache. It must have some cache, right? |
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| 23:15.23 | pupnik | your mode7 is awesome javis |
| 23:15.35 | pupnik | as fast as normal in ct |
| 23:15.39 | pupnik | roughly |
| 23:15.50 | javispedro | i want to share it back some day... |
| 23:16.37 | javispedro | Flandry: why would you be interested in that? |
| 23:16.42 | pupnik | javis, i wasnt running fixed but auto |
| 23:16.48 | pupnik | fixed seemed really strange |
| 23:17.06 | javispedro | pupnik: yeah, but may explain if there's some weirdness caused by it. |
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| 23:17.50 | pupnik | javispedro i think fixed 20fps could be doable |
| 23:17.58 | javispedro | pupnik: an interesting thing to test would be killing the compositor (hildon-desktop) |
| 23:18.08 | javispedro | however If you do it "as is" will cause a reboot |
| 23:18.11 | pupnik | heh good läord |
| 23:18.21 | pupnik | heh yes? |
| 23:18.45 | javispedro | and I don't know if that /etc/no_lg_reboots file still works.. |
| 23:19.18 | pupnik | music like a bar mityvah band at 3 AM |
| 23:20.38 | javispedro | wants to test how omapfb performs... oh... I want free time. |
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| 23:36.07 | b-man17 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/microsoft-store-employees-break-out-in-dance-video/ |
| 23:36.10 | b-man17 | rofl! |
| 23:36.20 | Flandry | because the size of the GPU cache is very relevant in a system that is memory bandwidth-limited? |
| 23:36.38 | javispedro | depends on how the GPU works. |
| 23:36.59 | derf | GPUs are always memory bandwidth-limited. |
| 23:37.52 | Flandry | not entirely true, but anyway i was referring to the entire system |
| 23:38.23 | javispedro | that's the reason the powervr is tile based.. |
| 23:39.27 | Flandry | so it can be small, hmm yeah |
| 23:39.58 | luke-jr | FYI: PowerVR SGX == Intel GMA 500 |
| 23:40.29 | Flandry | you make it sound so dirty |
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| 23:42.15 | pupnik | javispedro: how bout adding diagonals to drnoksnes |
| 23:42.26 | javispedro | ah, yep. |
| 23:42.37 | pupnik | so i can zse p . del for an i-way pad |
| 23:42.43 | pupnik | 8-way |
| 23:42.58 | pupnik | will work perfectly |
| 23:43.05 | pupnik | :) |
| 23:43.14 | pupnik | arbeiten.gif! |
| 23:44.33 | pupnik | n900 3-row kbd will make a NICE dual-joystick setup for robotrin and smashtv |
| 23:44.46 | pupnik | cant wait to show kids how to play that |
| 23:48.12 | Flandry | oh man. Smash TV |
| 23:48.17 | Flandry | I forgot about that one |
| 23:48.39 | wiretapped | so is the n900 in stores yet? |
| 23:48.46 | wiretapped | i would like to buy one |
| 23:48.49 | wiretapped | haven |
| 23:48.56 | wiretapped | 't heard back on the dev discount thing yet |
| 23:48.57 | Flandry | i'm excited about Ikari myself :) |
| 23:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, yeah, you haven't gotten yours yet? |
| 23:49.02 | wiretapped | no! |
| 23:49.03 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody else got theirs. |
| 23:49.05 | wiretapped | wtf |
| 23:49.09 | wiretapped | i was a little late replying |
| 23:49.12 | wiretapped | to the ddp |
| 23:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:49.23 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry. :P |
| 23:49.34 | wiretapped | i'm ready to buy one retail |
| 23:49.36 | GeneralAntilles | DDP is supposedly shipping Friday or next week. |
| 23:49.45 | wiretapped | and sell it if/when i get the ddp |
| 23:49.48 | javispedro | wishful thinkiiiiiing |
| 23:49.50 | javispedro | :) |
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| 23:51.12 | wiretapped | so does anyone know which US retailers are getting them? |
| 23:52.02 | wiretapped | wants to walk into a store and buy a mobile device with a preinstalled xterm |
| 23:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | Rumors say Best Buy, maybe. |
| 23:53.45 | wiretapped | bestbuy.com has one hit for n900 currently; the Xbox Wireless Microphone |
| 23:53.52 | wiretapped | maybe i'll just get that instead |
| 23:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, they took it down, apparently. |
| 23:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | So who knows what's what. |
| 23:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly retail units are coming a week or two after pre-order units. |
| 23:55.07 | wiretapped | i finally got to use one for 15 minutes, at least |
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| 23:55.10 | wiretapped | it's awesome :) |
| 23:55.16 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:55.30 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia doesn't want any of your nerdy shit on Maemo 5. :P |
| 23:55.48 | wiretapped | heh |
| 23:56.09 | pupnik | does sending audio at 24 or 48khz lower pulseaudio system load during resampling? |
| 23:56.19 | wiretapped | their built-in themes are much less in need of replacing this time |
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| 23:56.48 | wiretapped | but somehow i expect that there will be more themes for maemo5 than there were for 4 :) |
| 23:56.51 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo 4's default was the first theme that wasn't completely horrifying. |
| 23:57.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'd love to see a Bora Plankton port to Fremantle, though. |
| 23:58.07 | wiretapped | i'm a bit sad that the sidebar is gone; it was so perfectly suited for LCARS |
| 23:58.37 | zaheerm | my resolv.conf stopped getting updated on my n900 when i change network etc. |
| 23:58.37 | zaheerm | anyone with any ideas as to how i can get normal behaviour again? |
| 23:58.53 | GeneralAntilles | Beautific: http://mg.pov.lt/osso-xterm-buttons1.png |
